[01:23] <MTecknology> newz2000: Anything on the legal stuff? I could really use that info..
[03:25] <newz2000> MTecknology: no, I haven't heard a bit, let me do some follow up
[16:00] <MTecknology> mhall119: You around?
[16:17] <mhall119> yup
[16:18] <mhall119> MTecknology: ack
[16:19] <MTecknology> mhall119: I was wondering if you have the latest django theme running live somewhere I could see
[16:20] <mhall119> not at the moment
[16:20] <MTecknology> I was wondering if you figured out that width bug
[16:20] <mhall119> which width bug?
[16:21] <MTecknology> bug 632179
[16:21] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 632179 in ubuntu-website "light-base-theme has bad background width (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/632179
[16:22] <MTecknology> I'm not so sure light-wiki is an appropriate tag but.. idk
[16:22] <mhall119> that's on light-base-theme, not light-django-theme.....I'll have to look more into it
[16:22] <MTecknology> Can I see the light-django-theme online anywhere?
[16:22] <mhall119> yeah, give me a minute
[16:24] <MTecknology> frick!
[16:24] <MTecknology> I just removed a site I need
[16:25] <mhall119> MTecknology: http://family.ubuntu-fl.org:8001/
[16:26] <MTecknology> mhall119: yay, at least the django theme doesn't have it - it wound up making its way to the drupal theme
[16:27] <mhall119> these branches are diverging quite a bit more than I want
[16:27] <MTecknology> oh... I see why too - it's quite a bit different from the base theme
[16:27] <mhall119> it shouldn't be all that different from the base theme, and all my css changes have gone into new files
[16:27] <MTecknology> you and I just said the same thing, huh?
[16:27] <MTecknology> I mean the widths of things
[16:28] <mhall119> the header/footer being static width is only done in loco-directory, not light-base-theme
[16:28] <MTecknology> like in newstyle.css line 191
[16:28] <mhall119> or light-django-theme for that matter
[16:28] <mhall119> newstyle.css is loco-directory only
[16:28] <MTecknology> right
[16:29] <MTecknology> so the issue is still in the django theme too probably
[16:29] <mhall119> default.css and django_extras.css are the only ones from light-django-theme
[16:29] <mhall119> and default.css should be identical to the one in light-base-theme
[16:31] <MTecknology> mhall119: If you have it up and running anywhere, try to just make the browser smaller than the width of the staqtic width content and then scroll right
[16:32] <mhall119> MTecknology: http://family.ubuntu-fl.org:8001/ is the latest code for both loco-directory and light-django-theme
[16:33] <MTecknology> mhall119: but that has a static width for the backgrounds
[16:33] <mhall119> okay, you want to try a non-static width?
[16:34] <MTecknology> use firebug, grab header#page-header and change width to 100% - that's what's in light-base-theme
[16:36] <MTecknology> frick......
[16:36] <MTecknology> This sucks..... I deleted the website that means the most to me...
[16:36] <MTecknology> I have the database - but not the website files
[16:36] <mhall119> yup, I see it
[16:36] <mhall119> http://family.ubuntu-fl.org:8002/
[16:43] <MTecknology> I wish I updated backup paths back when I was thinking about it... I really boned myself hard
[17:07] <mhall119> MTecknology: I hate css
[17:09] <mhall119> I've tried every combinations of styles I could think of, and I can't make it 100% with a horizontal scroll without breaking the layout under other circumstances
[17:10] <mhall119> maybe newz2000 or someone better at css than I am can help
[17:10] <newz2000> what are you trying to do?
[17:11] <mhall119> oh, wait, maybe...
[17:11] <mhall119> how supported is the min-width attribute?
[17:12] <newz2000> not IE
[17:12] <newz2000> wow, that looks very pretty
[17:12] <mhall119> what does?
[17:12] <newz2000> the family.ubuntu-fl theme
[17:13] <mhall119> alright, well IE can look like crap for all I care
[17:13] <newz2000> what are you trying to achieve?
[17:13] <mhall119> newz2000: newz2000 family.ubuntu-fl.org:8001 is loco-directory trunk
[17:13] <mhall119> :8002 is summit.ubuntu.com trunk
[17:14] <mhall119> newz2000: when the browser's width is less than 980px, it produces a horizontal scroll
[17:14] <newz2000> ah, yes, that's the challenge with fixed width
[17:14] <mhall119> but the body and #page-header element widths match the browser's width
[17:14] <mhall119> so when you scroll right, the header doesn't extend the full 980px
[17:15] <newz2000> yeah, I've seen that a "few" times
[17:15] <mhall119> but setting min-width: 980px on BODY fixes it for browsers than recognize min-width
[17:15] <MTecknology> mhall119: I'm reading the backlog - min-width doesn't work :(
[17:16] <MTecknology> it kinda does - but not completely
[17:16] <mhall119> MTecknology: set it on BODY on default.css line 138
[17:16] <newz2000> mhall119: what do you want to happen?
[17:16] <mhall119> newz2000: for the  width to always be at least as wide as the page content
[17:16] <MTecknology> mhall119: min-width 100% on body?
[17:16] <mhall119> MTecknology: no, min-width: 980px
[17:17] <MTecknology> mhall119: that'll only work if you're using 980px for everything else though
[17:18] <MTecknology> I made the drupal one so you can decide the size of the page..
[17:18] <mhall119> MTecknology: oh...
[17:18] <mhall119> then make the min-width the same as the page width
[17:19] <newz2000> that does work
[17:19] <MTecknology> that can work for width in px but what about setting the width of the page to say 90%
[17:20] <newz2000> Another option is to not use a combination of fixed/% widths
[17:20] <mhall119> MTecknology: in that case, I'm not sure
[17:20] <mhall119> % widths will be relative to the browser's width
[17:20] <newz2000> no
[17:20] <newz2000> % widths are relative to container's width
[17:20] <mhall119> which for  is the window, correct?
[17:20] <newz2000> So you'd want one 90% width container and 100% widths inside
[17:20] <MTecknology> lemme change the drupal theme to a %
[17:21] <MTecknology> http://staging.profarius.com/
[17:21] <MTecknology> 80%
[17:22] <newz2000> MTecknology: your search box is causing a prob in Chrome
[17:22] <mhall119> yeah, it's wrapping on small widths
[17:22] <MTecknology> newz2000: the whole think kinda breaks :(
[17:23] <newz2000> yeah, this is why I have tended towards fixed width lately
[17:23] <newz2000> Another option is to do a media query and choose a layout based on the width of the browser window
[17:24] <MTecknology> I tend to lean that way too.. I just want to make it work nice and pretty for everyone and % was a common request
[17:24] <newz2000> With a media query you can create a narrow layout and a 980px layout. That way it works in mobiles and desktops.
[17:25] <MTecknology> what about resizing browser windows?
[17:25] <newz2000> I think it applies there too, but I'm not confident
[17:25] <newz2000> I've actually only done this once. :-)
[17:26] <MTecknology> heh... cool
[17:26] <MTecknology> if it's less than 800px; then enforce 800px min width
[17:27] <MTecknology> still going to be a bitch with the % width.. part of the issue is whining if there's horizontal scroll
[17:28] <MTecknology> I'm half considering saying % width isn't an option.....
[17:28] <MTecknology> I hate to be a dick to anyone that wants that but at this point I'm pretty frustrated :(
[17:29] <MTecknology> Did I make him upset? :(
[17:29]  * newz2000 just did something and accidentally closed irc
[17:30] <MTecknology> newz2000: oh, I thought you were mad at me and left in anger :(
[17:30] <newz2000> I'm not even sure what keys I pushed
[17:30]  * newz2000 meant to alt+tab
[17:30] <MTecknology> sometimes I alt+tab - and openbox dies
[17:31] <newz2000> so, ftr, I say forget the % width unless you're really passionate about it
[17:32] <MTecknology> I have been in the past.. and it worked perfect..
[17:32] <MTecknology> this new theme is.... not nice to me :P
[17:32] <newz2000> if you were going to accommodate a different width window I'd say look into mobile friendly width
[17:33] <MTecknology> ?
[17:33] <newz2000> I mean that 320px is more important than 840px
[17:34] <MTecknology> oh
[17:34] <MTecknology> is that the de facto for itty bitty windows?
[17:34]  * newz2000 double checks his numbers
[17:35] <newz2000> yes, 320x480
[17:37] <MTecknology> alrighty - I'll sit on it in my head for a while and see if I build up the motivation to attack it
[17:37] <MTecknology> otherwise we can sit with static widths..
[17:37] <newz2000> yes, I think you're safe with static widths
[17:37]  * newz2000 won't criticize you at least
[17:40] <MTecknology> I'm sure there has to be a way to deal with it in a way that's not an ugly horrible hack
[17:41] <newz2000> yes, there is: don't use a mix of % and px
[17:41] <MTecknology> there's that too
[17:43] <mhall119> use tables for layout
[17:43]  * mhall119 ducks
[17:43] <MTecknology> lol... that's been an option that's been looking prettier and prettier
[17:43] <MTecknology> honestly..... I think... at this point.... it might be a good option
[17:43]  * MTecknology hides
[17:43] <mhall119> MTecknology: http://giveupandusetables.com/
[17:44] <MTecknology> mhall119: exactly that
[17:45] <pleia2> mhall119: haha, nice
[17:45] <mhall119> okay, I'm off to lunch and the book store
[17:45] <mhall119> pleia2: are you coming to UDS?  I thought no, but Michelle said you were
[17:46] <pleia2> mhall119: nope, I have too much going on this fall
[17:46] <mhall119> darn, had my hopes up and everything
[17:47] <pleia2> sorry :)
[17:47] <MTecknology> I want to go someday :(
[17:47] <mhall119> deadline to apply for sponsorship was 2 days ago...
[17:47] <mhall119> if you wanted to go, should have filled it out by ten
[17:47] <mhall119> then
[17:47] <MTecknology> I wouldn't have time
[17:48] <mhall119> okay, my stomach is yelling at me, be back later
[17:48] <MTecknology> hopefully I can find the time at some point in my life :P
[17:48] <MTecknology> so.. I finally restored this website except for every single image in it
[17:51] <MTecknology> My finacee is going to be maaaaaaaaaad
[17:51] <MTecknology> and sad :(
[18:57] <mhall119> MTecknology: got anything in browser cache?
[18:57] <mhall119> or maybe http://www.archive.org/web/web.php ?
[20:38] <MTecknology> mhall119: hm?
[20:38] <MTecknology> oh!
[20:38] <MTecknology> nah, there's nothing. :(
[20:39] <mhall119> oh well
[20:39] <MTecknology> thanks though
[20:39] <MTecknology> it's close enough to be accepotable
[20:39] <MTecknology> mhall119: btw - http://wedding.profarius.com
[20:40] <mhall119> wow, I'm glad blogs weren't popular when I was getting married
[20:41] <MTecknology> :P
[20:41] <MTecknology> I do websites - so it was fun to do :_
[20:42] <daker> \o/
[20:43] <mhall119> I did websites when I was getting married, still wouldn't have wanted to blog it
[20:44] <MTecknology> I enjoyed making it :P   Kim's enjoyed tossing things on there
[20:45] <MTecknology> mhall119: If I don't figure this out by tonight.. things are moving to a table layout for the background..
[20:45] <mhall119> +1
[20:45] <MTecknology> It'll be a 3x4 grid and it's going to take magic for me to change my mind :P
[20:45] <mhall119> I'm amazed that we're on CSS3, and still they can't make it do what tables do
[20:46] <MTecknology> part of it is probably some ugly code on my part
[20:46] <mhall119> yeah, but ugly table code still worked
[20:46] <MTecknology> I'm not using tables now
[20:46] <MTecknology> Nowhere actually
[20:47] <MTecknology> I mean I think I have some ugly css
[20:49] <mhall119> I meant that even back in the day when I was writing ugly table code, it still worked
[20:49] <MTecknology> oh, ya
[20:49] <MTecknology> it's less fragile
[20:49] <mhall119> it's easier to understand why it's doing what it's doing
[20:51] <MTecknology> I think for the light-{base,django}-theme the fixed width could work best. I just know how many people have prodded me in the past. Back then it was easy though..
[20:54] <newz2000> since looking at your stuff earlier I have been browsing with my window narrower than usual. Wow, the web is screwed up like that. :-)
[20:55] <MTecknology> newz2000: :P indeed
[20:55] <MTecknology> newz2000: sucksabit?
[20:56] <newz2000> a bit
[20:56] <MTecknology> oooh! with tables I only need to asign widths for the top row too... :)
[20:56] <newz2000> no
[20:56] <newz2000> don't do that
[20:57] <MTecknology> no?
[20:57] <newz2000> a good simple fixed width layout is not hard with css
[20:57] <MTecknology> right... but dynamic not so much
[20:58] <newz2000> if in doubt, use a css framework then
[20:58] <MTecknology> ?
[20:58] <newz2000> yui is fine
[20:58] <newz2000> there's a fluid version of 960
[20:58] <MTecknology> oh..
[20:58] <newz2000> The one I used on old old Ubuntu (with gold header) was skidoo2
[20:59] <MTecknology> so instead of converting this theme yet again, drop it and switch to something like 960?
[21:00] <MTecknology> btw - I already wrote the table :P
[21:01] <MTecknology> took me almost two minutes
[21:03] <newz2000> do you want fixed width or fluid?
[21:04] <MTecknology> both
[21:05] <MTecknology> 960 isn't bad but it's definitely overkill
[21:07] <newz2000> in two min you can also write a fluid page template
[21:07] <newz2000> assuming you want fluid main column with a fixed width nav column on the side
[21:08] <newz2000> you just nest one div inside the other, set the outer one to something like width:90%;min-width:550px;max-width:960px;margin: 0 auto;
[21:08] <newz2000> the inner div: float: left; width: 220px;
[21:08] <MTecknology> I mean the whole inner content being based on either fixed or fluid - then the inside of that is the content with two collapsible sidebars
[21:08] <newz2000> MTecknology: how much of your theme did you write from scratch?
[21:08] <MTecknology> ~80% of it
[21:09] <newz2000> is it some of that 80% that is not working right, or is it the other 20%?
[21:09] <MTecknology> it's only putting a fluid width on the page that's not working
[21:09] <MTecknology> if that starts working then I'll be satisfied
[21:10] <newz2000> MTecknology: are we still looking at http://staging.profarius.com/ as an example?
[21:11] <MTecknology> ya
[21:11] <MTecknology> You can check out the source for it bzr branch lp:ubuntu-drupal-theme
[21:11] <newz2000> I'll just view in the browser, I work better that way
[21:11] <newz2000> What is the problem?
[21:11] <newz2000> (we're trying to fix?)
[21:12] <MTecknology> h on - lemme drop that damned search block
[21:13] <MTecknology> alrighty, right now the menu doesn't line up with the rest of the page with the % width
[21:14] <MTecknology> with the static width I run into needing to put a static width on body but that won't work for %
[21:14] <newz2000> MTecknology: check this: http://awesomescreenshot.com/0e117tg9a
[21:14] <newz2000> There's a couple probs there
[21:14] <newz2000> 3 actually
[21:15] <newz2000> one is the top (orange) nav is piled up on the logo
[21:15] <newz2000> the other is the gray nav is too narrow to fit the search
[21:15] <newz2000> and lastly, the page content is cramped but I still have these pretty dotted background borders running down the side
[21:16] <newz2000> is there more that's wrong?
[21:16] <MTecknology> the menu and content divs don't line up
[21:17] <newz2000> MTecknology: what do you mean?
[21:18] <MTecknology> the left most line in the menu is the left most of that div - it should line up with the white background right below it
[21:18] <newz2000> MTecknology: are you referring to the orange menu?
[21:19] <MTecknology> ya
[21:19] <newz2000> "page 1"
[21:19] <newz2000> I see from #sidebar-left that there is 10px of white space
[21:20] <newz2000> if I add 10px left margin to ul.nice-menu then it lines up
[21:21] <newz2000> not worrying about the search box, it looks like the min-width is 740px
[21:21] <newz2000> for div.container
[21:22] <newz2000> so width:80%;min-width:740px
[21:22] <MTecknology> unless you add more stuff to the menu
[21:22] <newz2000> right
[21:24] <newz2000> it's a tricky prob
[21:24] <MTecknology> ya
[21:24] <MTecknology> and you know why....
[21:24] <MTecknology> Back before the community theme everything could be contained inside of one container div
[21:25] <MTecknology> now that doesn't work because there's three different backgrounds that span the whole width
[21:25] <newz2000> so make one container and make those other 3 100%
[21:25] <newz2000> oops, I'm looking at the wrong theme
[21:26] <newz2000> nah, you'd still need at least 2 containers
[21:27] <MTecknology>
Junk

[21:28] <MTecknology> I think maybe I need to take a break and rewrire my brain a bit - I've been working on the same theme for so long the change in design is just breaking my mind
[21:28] <newz2000> yeah
[21:28] <newz2000> that happens
[21:28] <MTecknology> I want to mimic how I've been doing it.. but that's not really possible anymore.
[21:29] <MTecknology> I have a meeting pretty quick  here.
[21:29]  * newz2000 has to write a shell script to do date math
[21:29] <MTecknology> newz2000: thanks for taking the time to help me. I think I need to get home, get a drink, watch the black screen on my tv (no cable or movies), and mellow, then come back and do something amazing
[21:30] <MTecknology> ouchy
[21:30]  * newz2000 will cheat and use python
[21:30] <MTecknology> lol
[21:30] <newz2000> have a nice end to your day MTecknology. I will be in Europe next week, so screwy hours
[21:30] <MTecknology> ok
[21:30] <MTecknology> you too


[02:55] <smspillaz> 1
[02:55] <smspillaz> :(
[18:44] <touil76> Hello everyone in this unity channel. I have an issue with unity: I'm using Idle, the common Python editor. ,
[18:45] <touil76> But when I launch it, the icons that the unity launcher shows is a question mark. I can't get the launcher to show a python icon. Any ideas ?
[19:12] <mzaza> Hello, I just finished learning C++ and I was looking to contribute to a C++ project to master the language and extend my skills. Any recommendation for small scale project someone with almost no experience could start working on?


[03:55] <blr> wgrant: privacy icon would work... thomi pointed out the other day who had filed that bug :(
[03:56] <blr> didn't notice at the time...
[03:56] <thomi> made me sad :(
[03:57] <blr> there were some nice pieces on boingboing recently about him
[04:00] <wgrant> Oh, indeed. I hadn't noticed that.
[04:02] <thomi> well, now we're all sad, but not for long! it's beer time!
[04:02] <blr> thomi: weren't you just complaining you drank too much at LCA? :)
[04:03] <thomi> oh, except I have to drive to the airport.
[04:03] <thomi> blr: yeah, but you can't quit these things too quickly
[04:03] <thomi> gotta give your liver time to relax
[04:03] <blr> right, have to taper off.
[04:03] <thomi> besides, picking up tych0 in an hour, he's staying with us a few nights
[04:03] <thomi> blr: wanna join us tomorrow after hackathon out on the town?
[04:05] <blr> thomi: not sure I'm quite up for that yet, but I'll try to make it to the hackathon
[04:05] <thomi> ok
[22:50] <thomi> wgrant: I just noticed the lp team meeting on my calendar. Would you like me to attend?
[22:58] <wgrant> thomi: Might as well, if you have time.
[22:58] <thomi> sure
[23:00] <cjwatson> Hi, this time I'm available just about on time


[20:14] <nk121> hi, how can i pull down apt package like linux-image-extra-`uname -r` in cloud-init?  specifically, i need uname -r to be resolved at run time


[01:51] <aj041191> hello goodmorning
[01:52] <aj041191> can i ask a question about customizing kde? or is there a channel for it?
[01:52] <aj041191> im new to kde things x.x
[02:10] <shadeslayer> aj041191: sure
[02:11] <shadeslayer> you can have a look at Kubuntu-default-settings which contains modifications
[02:12] <aj041191> shadeslayer: where is that located?. i need to install it?. i think i dont understand youre  answer =)
[02:12] <shadeslayer> or if you have questions about something you want to configure for yourself, #kde and #kubuntu
[02:13] <aj041191> thanks2, #Kubuntu seems no one is answering, they are talking aliens :)
[02:13] <shadeslayer> aj041191: what exactly do you want to customize ?
[02:13] <aj041191> http://kde-users.deviantart.com/gallery/37232101#/d5kn7gf
[02:13] <aj041191> i know now how to make that like global menu
[02:13] <aj041191> but im hearing about this be::shell and bespin
[02:13] <aj041191> now i install bespin but what to do with it.
[02:14] <shadeslayer> ok, user support questions in #kubuntu or #kde
[02:15] <shadeslayer> And I woukdnt know, barely do any customizing :)
[02:16] <aj041191> haha. thanks anway, i just like a good desktop =)
[02:16] <aj041191> gnome is easy to customize x.x
[02:18] <shadeslayer> that sounds like a oxymoron, but I don't want to get into that discussion :P
[02:22] <aj041191> why? xD ok ill google that hehe
[11:59]  * apachelogger wonders what a beshell is
[12:01] <apachelogger> "BE::Shell is a simple desktop shell on KDE technology (namely KIO and Solid) for the rest of us."
[12:01]  * apachelogger bets 50 euros that it uses qgraphicsfail :P
[12:03] <yofel_> do we have a plasma applet that uses konsole? I can't find one
[12:03] <apachelogger> there is a python one that is a terminal emulator
[12:03] <apachelogger> dunno about a konsole kpart
[12:03] <yofel> oh, the widget downloader doesn't crash anymore in 4.9.3 \o/
[12:04] <yofel> Plasmacon is a terminal emulator based on KDE Konsole technology (uses libkonsolepart). - that looks kinda nice
[12:04] <apachelogger> oh lol
[12:04] <apachelogger> beshell does appear to use qwidgets
[12:04] <yofel> heh
[12:05]  * apachelogger fears for his sanity
[12:08] <apachelogger> I wanted nothing more than to finish kubuntu-settings and now I am reading codez I did not know about 10 minutes ago -.-
[12:10] <tsimpson> looks like (yet) another "I want a Mac, but don't have a gazillian monies" thing
[12:11] <apachelogger> yeah
[12:11] <apachelogger> well
[12:11] <apachelogger> no
[12:11] <apachelogger> while it is from the bespin/whateverspinoff dude this thing actually is semi-sane
[12:11] <apachelogger> i.e. there is nothing wrong with using qwidgets
[12:15] <tsimpson> I mean more aesthetically
[12:15] <apachelogger> there is no such thing
[12:15] <tsimpson> and yes, qwidgets are much nicer than the insanity of graphics-whatever
[12:16] <apachelogger> be::shell relies on the user to come up with a config and css
[12:16] <tsimpson> from the screenshots posted
[12:16] <tsimpson> I presume you can make it pink ;)
[12:19] <apachelogger> tsimpson: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/11/18/plasma-desktopYM5541.png
[12:19] <apachelogger> that's what it actually looks like
[12:20] <apachelogger> not the authors fault that users make shit always look like osx for some reason :P
[12:20] <tsimpson> I was mostly going off http://sourceforge.net/p/be-shell/discussion/showroom/thread/b7f99467/
[12:21] <apachelogger> as I said, it's just how that particular invidual chose to theme the shell ;)
[12:22] <tsimpson> I have to say, there's a part of me that would be quite happy with nothing but a context menu on the desktop
[12:23] <apachelogger> use fluxbos
[12:23] <apachelogger> fluxbox
[12:23] <apachelogger> also a word of advise: do not try beshell
[12:23] <apachelogger> my plasma found out that I am seeing something else
[12:24] <apachelogger> now I have 4 panels
[12:24] <apachelogger> ontop of each other
[12:24] <apachelogger> and there is the crash
[12:24]  * apachelogger sighs
[12:25] <tsimpson> I did use fluxbox a while back, but then I start to miss launchers. I'm one of those people who can't make up their minds
[12:25] <tsimpson> or rather it changes based on my mood
[12:25]  * apachelogger likes to use konsole
[12:27] <tsimpson> I do take yakuake to whatever DE I'm using
[12:27] <tsimpson> it's the first thing I install
[12:29] <apachelogger_> I could live with ttys alone if there were sensible audio players :P
[12:37] <apachelogger_> debfx, Riddell, shadeslayer, Quintasan: if you don't reply to the 'kubuntu-settings restructuring' thread I'll go ahead and break it
[12:46] <apachelogger> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-settings/kubuntu-settings
[12:47] <apachelogger> ready for upload except for possible dep changes etc.
[14:49] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[19:43] <Quintasan> apachelogger: looking
[19:43] <Quintasan> or lemme know if you broke it already
[19:55] <Quintasan> agateau: ping
[19:56] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ping
[19:57] <apachelogger> yes?
[19:58] <Quintasan> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/609992
[19:58] <Quintasan> Is this even remotely dep-5 compatible
[19:58]  * Quintasan wonder is he actually has to care about dep-5 compatibility
[19:58] <apachelogger> who would know what with there not being a sensible parser and all that :P
[19:59] <Quintasan> Wait.
[19:59] <Quintasan> So you mean there is no dep-5 parser at this point in time?
[19:59] <apachelogger> have not seen one
[19:59] <apachelogger> it's spec compliant though
[20:00] <Quintasan> apachelogger: so it's good according to the specs?
[20:00] <Quintasan> Good.
[20:00] <yofel> hm, lintian has some limited dep-5 parsing support
[20:00] <yofel> looks fine though
[20:00]  * Quintasan wonders why introduce dep-5 if you have no parsing for it
[20:01] <Quintasan> It's like, useless now
[20:02] <Quintasan> yofel,apachelogger: symbols are needed only for libs that export public fuctions, right?
[20:02]  * Quintasan has no idea how to determine whether library does that or not
[20:03] <apachelogger> every library does that
[20:03] <yofel> uhm, if it doesn't have anything public you won't have any public symbols either...
[20:03] <apachelogger> there are only public interfaces
[20:04]  * yofel is in weekend-leathargy mode and has his brain on powersave
[20:04] <Quintasan> SO
[20:04] <Quintasan> how the hell do I know that about homerun?
[20:04] <yofel> does it ship headers?
[20:04] <yofel> if there are no headers, nothing will link against the lib and you don't need a symbol file
[20:04] <Quintasan> some
[20:04] <Quintasan> usr/include/homerun/abstractsource.h
[20:04] <Quintasan> usr/include/homerun/homerun_export.h
[20:04] <Quintasan> usr/include/homerun/pathmodel.h
[20:04] <Quintasan> usr/include/homerun/sourceconfigurationwidget.h
[20:04] <apachelogger> that there is a much saner policy ... every library that has header files associated with it needs to have a symbols file ;)
[20:05] <yofel> homerun_export.h -> you can't get anymore public than that
[20:05] <apachelogger> yofel: that is technically a false statement
[20:05] <yofel> well, I meant nothing not from the same package...
[20:05] <Quintasan> AFAIR pdebuild should yield something about missing symbols file but I didn't get that
[20:05] <apachelogger> e.g. qt has api that is not in an installed header but comprises interfaces that an application having the headers will be able to link against
[20:06] <apachelogger> that what qtcreator does
[20:06] <yofel> ... fun
[20:06] <Quintasan> yofel: Your definiton of "fun" is definitely weird
[20:06] <Quintasan> :P
[20:06] <yofel> well, I know I'm weird. I like things that don't work :P
[20:07] <Quintasan> I like things that work after you kick them
[20:09] <Quintasan> yofel, apachelogger: should I use pkgkde-gensymbols magic or just use dpkg-gensymbols?
[20:10] <yofel> if it's c++ use pkgkde
[20:11] <Quintasan> yay for homerun
[20:36] <Quintasan> apachelogger, yofel: dget -xu http://people.ubuntu.com/~quintasan/uploads/homerun_0.1.0-0ubuntu1.dsc
[20:36] <Quintasan> I need review
[20:45] <yofel> Quintasan: can you please add a comment to override_dh_auto_test so whoever looks at the package in a year from now still knows why they're disabled?
[20:46] <yofel> and maybe put the libs into the libs section
[20:46] <yofel> looks fine otherwise
[20:48] <Quintasan> yofel: Like adding Section: libs to the binary packages or put the whole source package into libs?
[20:49] <yofel> the former (the libs should be in libs, the plasma widget in kde, not sure about the source)
[20:55] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: don't forget to send me a merge request for the homerun daily packages
[20:56] <Quintasan> sure
[20:56] <Quintasan> will upload somewhere to LP
[21:08] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: uhh, I can't branch https://code.launchpad.net/~blue-shell/homerun/packaging for some reason, want me to bzr init my packaging, upload it to my lp space and request a merge?
[21:09] <shadeslayer> bzr branch lp:~blue-shell/homerun/packaging doesn't work ?
[21:10] <shadeslayer> odd ...
[21:11] <Quintasan> ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[21:11] <Quintasan> ConnectionReset reading response for 'BzrDir.open_2.1', retrying
[21:11] <Quintasan> ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host
[21:11] <Quintasan> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: Unexpected end of message. Please check connectivity and permissions, and report a bug if problems persist.
[21:11] <shadeslayer> whaaa ...
[21:12] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: nevermind then, will check your package later then
[21:12] <Quintasan> yofel: I fixed the things you mentioned, uploading to raring
[21:13] <yofel> \o/
[21:13] <Quintasan> better testbuild once again
[21:17] <Quintasan> yofel, shadeslayer: uploaded to raring-proposed, the bug #1078889 should get closed automagically soon
[21:17] <yofel> why -proposed?
[21:17] <shadeslayer> kool
[21:18] <Quintasan> yofel: That's how raring works
[21:18] <yofel> but you didn't really put that into the changelog, right?
[21:18] <Quintasan> First it goes to proposed then is copied to raring AFAIR
[21:18] <Quintasan> ofc I did not :P
[21:18] <yofel> ok, then I just misunderstood ;)
[21:22] <yofel> (note that the bug is only closed when it's published in RELEASE)


[00:02] <cprofitt> good evening Vantrax
[00:03] <cprofitt> I am still not getting email from the list -- I always find out about our meetings my doing /topic
[00:05] <Vantrax> hrm
[00:05] <Vantrax> taking a peak now
[00:13] <Vantrax> your in the list
[00:13] <pleia2> cprofitt: hm, why are you in digest mode?
[00:13] <pleia2> you're a board member :) don't you want to get the emails more quickly than a week?
[00:14] <cprofitt> pleia2, I changed from digest mode...
[00:14] <cprofitt> not sure why it is still in digest
[00:14] <cprofitt> I made that change two or three weeks ago
[00:16] <BiosElement-AFK> Hmm...I wonder where my other xchat session went...
[00:16] <pleia2> cprofitt: the last email was on the 1st, you didn't get it?
[00:17] <cprofitt> no --
[00:21] <Vantrax> hrm
[00:21] <Vantrax> how was everything last week, I was away on training all week
[00:26] <cprofitt> Are there any agenda items for tomorrow?
[00:37] <pleia2> I should add some
[10:49] <Zachk18> akgraner_, welcome
[11:53] <akgraner_> Zachk18, thanks!!
[11:53] <akgraner_> :-)
[11:55] <Zachk18> akgraner, first time or...............
[11:56] <akgraner> I'm in and out of here.. I think it is an awesome project...
[11:57] <akgraner> I want to free up some time to help.. but so far all I can seem to do is watch and tell people about it...sigh
[11:57] <akgraner> and speaking of time.. out the door I go.. kids to school and all...;-)
[13:27] <pleia2> hm, has anyone been working with Zachk18?
[13:27] <pleia2> I am sure he means well, but joining and asking all our regulars whether they need help is kinda odd
[13:38] <paultag> o/
[13:38] <paultag> Zachk is a prospective to the UBT
[13:38] <paultag> not one of mine
[13:38] <paultag> mine behave well :P
[13:39] <paultag> I have had to deal with him. I told him to leave or join with the Young Users group of the UBT. I know Silver_Fox_ leads that group. We are hands on, I have already raised that issue within the UBT
[13:39] <paultag> Don't be afraid to tell him off pleia2, he can take it. He is an "Adult" this year.
[13:40] <paultag> He might think this is a support channel, why no be a bit more clear about the objectives here pleia2?
[13:41] <paultag> ( to him, you are already clear to the rest of the world (
[13:41] <pleia2> well, he's already upset at me because I kept telling him not to use his away script here
[13:41] <paultag> sed /d (/d )/g
[13:41] <paultag> pleia2, I'll have a chat with him next time he is online. Sorry about this, I'll deal with it
[13:41] <pleia2> paultag: no problem :) thank you
[13:42] <paultag> sure, no problem :)
[16:10] <akgraner> bodhi_zazen, ping
[16:11] <akgraner> bodhi_zazen, open week is around the corner, and pleia2 suggested that you might want to give a class on -beginners
[16:12] <akgraner> :-D
[17:48] <bodhi_zazen> I could be talked into it akgraner
[17:54] <pleia2> akgraner: that's a yes! quick, put it on the schedule :)
[18:10] <akgraner> bodhi_zazen, on I'm penciling you in then...:-D
[18:11] <akgraner> but seriously...https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep  take a look at the schedule there are still some slots left..:-)
[18:30] <doctormo> What is the exciting schedualed thing?
[18:51] <pleia2> doctormo: ubuntu open week session on ubuntu-beginners
[18:51] <doctormo> Ah ok
[18:51] <pleia2> doctormo: would you be interested in doing on giving tips about teaching ubuntu in a classroom?
[18:52] <doctormo> I have a loose set of tips, but nothing strong enough to teach others.
[18:54] <pleia2> ok
[19:19] <bodhi_zazen> sweet, thanks akgraner
[19:20] <akgraner> pleia2, thanks!! anymore suggestions...
[19:34] <akgraner> bodhi_zazen, oh I need a bio from you as well..:-D!  Please and Thank You!
[19:36] <bodhi_zazen> Will my wiki page do ?
[19:37] <bodhi_zazen> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/BodhiZazen
[19:37] <bodhi_zazen> oops :(
[19:37] <bodhi_zazen> https://launchpad.net/~bodhi.zazen
[19:37] <bodhi_zazen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BodhiZazen
[19:38] <doctormo> pleia2: Maybe after my second "semester" of teaching classes I'll be more sure footed about teaching others how to teach.
[19:38] <pleia2> doctormo: ok, next time then :)
[19:39] <doctormo> You know me, I wouldn't refuse putting my foot in my mouth unless I thought it was a shoe-in.
[19:40]  * pleia2 grins
[19:42] <akgraner> bodhi_zazen, :-) yep..
[19:43] <akgraner> bodhi_zazen, where are you located...  trying to figure out what time is best to pencil you in at?
[19:45] <akgraner> DOH!  it's on the wiki...
[19:45]  * akgraner smacks head on keyboard...
[19:46]  * akgraner mumbles something about it being a Monday... :-/
[19:46]  * pleia2 hugs akgraner
[19:46] <pleia2> that's ok, I just thought "wait, what day is it? oh no, it's far too early in the week to be wondering this!"
[19:46] <pleia2> it's going to be a long week :)
[19:47]  * akgraner hugs pleia2
[19:47] <akgraner> whew so glad it's not just me feeling that way...
[19:47] <akgraner> we start cooking Friday for the wedding on Saturday...
[19:47] <akgraner> o.O I'm going to lose my mind...
[19:48] <pleia2> hehe
[19:48] <doctormo> akgraner: You had a wedding?
[19:49] <akgraner> doctormo, my niece is getting married this weekend
[19:49] <Zachk18> akgraner, that's awesome!
[19:50] <doctormo> akgraner: Send on my congratulations.
[19:55] <akgraner> I will... thank you
[19:55] <akgraner> :-)
[20:02] <Zachk18> Lns, welcome
[20:02] <Lns> hi Zachk18
[21:51] <pleia2> doctormo: our meeting is in about an hour - will you be around to update us on your progress with BiosElement's workflow document?
[21:52] <Zachk18> ooh...meeting?
[21:58] <bodhi_zazen> akgraner: Best time for me is UTC 22:00 - 00:00
[22:02] <akgraner> does the day matter
[22:27] <doctormo> pleia2: I will be
[22:27] <pleia2> ok good :)
[22:27] <doctormo> I'll be following BiosElement's advice and making a whole heap of stuff advisory, at least until I can get some personal tools sorted out far into the future.
[22:28] <doctormo> That way, maximum people can join in
[22:29] <BiosElement> Great to hear doctormo. We can always add things as people need them later.
[22:29] <doctormo> I figured I'd just need a few days to think it through, sorry for the conflict BiosElement
[22:29] <BiosElement> Oh it's fine doctormo
[22:50] <cprofitt> hello pleia2
[22:50] <cprofitt> are we in #ubuntu-meeting or here?
[22:52] <cprofitt> bodhi_zazen, doctormo -- #ubuntu-meeting or here?
[22:54] <bodhi_zazen> meeting =)
[22:54] <cprofitt> k
[22:55] <cprofitt> bodhi_zazen, who is controlling the meetings now?
[22:55] <cprofitt> or should I plan on doing that?
[22:56] <pleia2> I like it when cprofitt chairs :)
[22:56] <cprofitt> lol
[22:57] <doctormo> OK up and at em
[23:19] <pleia2> ugh, looks like I won't be back for the rest of the meeting, server down and I have to do an emergency restoration
[23:19] <pleia2> work--
[23:19] <cprofitt> pleia2, I am doing that remotely as well... joy!
[23:34] <bodhi_zazen> ugg, hope it is fixed fast pleia2