[12:09] <glick> hey is there anyway to revert to a package before yu upgrade?
[12:09] <glick> before you upgradeD?
[12:10] <Jack_Sparrow> Sorry second day here.. Very much a noob
[12:10] <Jack_Sparrow> Stil trying to DL the install CD
[12:13] <Macxdmg> can anyone help me get into my kubuntu ... it gets past what seems like boot ... i can hardware interupt / interface interupt for shutdown / restart, but I don't get X or KDE proper like.
[12:26] <r0xz> ahmeni: how? final isn't released yet right?
[12:27] <HymnToLife> nope
[12:27] <HymnToLife> June 1st
[12:28] <ahmeni> oh, guess I misinterpreted "10 CDs requested in 2006-05-18. 10 CDs approved and sent to the shipping company in 2006-05-24"
[12:28] <ahmeni> I u
[12:28] <ahmeni> err, I humbly retract my dance
[12:29] <Jack_Sparrow> Anyone here help with the XP theme for Kubuntu ?
[12:29] <macd> Jack_Sparrow: having troubles downloading or burning?
[12:29] <Jack_Sparrow> THe dl failed of the live cd
[12:29] <Jack_Sparrow> but I started it agin.
[12:29] <macd> was there enough free space on the destination drive?
[12:29] <Jack_Sparrow> I got the live on the second try as well
[12:29] <macd> nvm.
[12:30] <Jack_Sparrow> I have 20 gigs free on that partition
[12:30] <Jack_Sparrow> \but it had an RPM extension and that scared me off
[12:31] <macd> wierd, It might have been b/c it was a partial download, just wait for it to finish, it should be .iso
[12:31] <Jack_Sparrow> I found a bz2 is that any better
[12:32] <Jack_Sparrow> No, dl of install version isnt the problem, wanted to play with theme while waiting
[12:32] <macd> for the theme?
[12:32] <Jack_Sparrow> Do you run it on a Mac..  I have a G4 here
[12:32] <macd> I actualy have a dual g5 :)
[12:32] <Jack_Sparrow> Install version of Kubuntu
[12:33] <Jack_Sparrow> I have a dual G4 that was donated to me..
[12:33] <macd> I have Kubuntu 6.06
[12:33] <macd> but I stated with hoary way back hen, and have just been upgrading as I go
[12:35] <Jack_Sparrow> Wow, I took some Benadryl for a spider bite and it is kicking my tailwind
[12:35] <Jack_Sparrow> Geting groggy
[12:35] <macd> that stuff knocks me out, best not try todo anything to your system now :P
[12:35] <Jack_Sparrow> NOt the time to play with a new os
[12:35] <ahmeni> I thought pirates liked grog?
[12:36] <macd> haha
[12:36] <macd> I said grog wench not cactus juice.
[12:36] <Jack_Sparrow> I like grog, just not when I am trying to work..
[12:36] <macd> this is prolly #kubuntu-offtopic :P
[12:37] <Jack_Sparrow> My wife wears a medic alert braclet.. It reads... No Tequilla Shooters
[12:38] <macd> haha
[12:39] <stodge> Hi - is there a particular sources.list file I should download?
[12:40] <Riddell> !sources
[12:40] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[12:48] <sampan> for some reason, after updating, my k3b is getting user permission errors on my burner ... i ran the k3bsetup again, but ... no joy ... how do i go about letting it burn a cd?
[12:49] <klerfayt> sampan: I have same problems
[12:49] <klerfayt> sampan: but I could burn with root permissions
[12:49] <klerfayt> sampan: alt+f2 > kdesu k3b
[12:49] <sampan> lol
[12:50] <sampan> i suppose that works, but seems weird to have to kdesu -- it's like the "burning" group (didn't there used to be one?) is gone??
[12:50] <klerfayt> sampan: i think yo ushould create a bug report
[12:51] <sampan> :/
[12:51] <klerfayt> sampan: cause I got same problems than you
[12:51] <klerfayt> sampan: if you run k3bsetup you will get error that there is no group "burning"
[12:52] <sampan> yeah
[12:52] <sampan> and in system settings, i don't see it either -- only a "cdrom" group
[12:52] <klerfayt> has anyone else tried to burn cd/dvd with k3b in kubuntu 6.06?
[12:53] <nixternal`out> !nixternal
[12:53] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, nixternal`out
[12:53] <nixternal`out> haha
[12:54] <zblach> hi. why would k3b tell me that DVD+R and -R are not writable, but i've got two fully detected dvd* burners?
[12:54] <klerfayt> zblach: try to run "k3bsetup"
[12:54] <sampan> so strange, because it used to burn just fine
[12:54] <zblach> k3bsetup has been run, and all settings look normal. lemme check again
[12:55] <klerfayt> zblach: can you burn cd's if you run   kdesu k3b  ?
[12:56] <zblach> klerfayt: haven't tried cds
[12:56] <r0xz> is there a special package i need to install to get audiocd:/ rip and tag a mp3 as "original"?
[12:56] <klerfayt> zblach: then try dvd's with   kdesu k3b
[12:57] <zblach> klerfayt: nope.
[12:57] <zblach> found: DVD+R (empty)
[12:58] <zblach> please insert ... CD-R(W) medium
[12:58] <klerfayt> zblach: maybe you klicked on the wron icon?
[12:59] <zblach> wron icon?
[12:59] <zblach> ctrl+b is burn, yes?
[12:59] <zblach> "starting sao at 94x speed"? seems a little fast for my drives
[12:59] <zblach> hang on
[01:00] <crazy_penguin> good night everybody. pleasent dreams
[01:03] <sampan> even changing the perms on /media/cdrom1 doesn't help
[01:03] <sampan> i can burn with kdesu, but ... that's just dumb, i shouldn't have to use su to burn a cdr
[01:04] <klerfayt> sampan: same here; have you tried to create the group "burining" in system settings?
[01:05] <sampan> klerfayt  nope ... but i tried changing the group setting in k3b to "cdrom" and that failed too
[01:07] <sampan> klerfayt  if i create that group, how do i set it so that it has perms (and that K3B has perms) to open my cdrom devs?  (i've never created or modified groups before -- linux newb!)
[01:08] <klerfayt> sampan: I have no idea
[01:08] <Bizzeh> you know what i dont get
[01:08] <Bizzeh> why the pope they elect, is always OLD
[01:08] <Bizzeh> get a young one, he will last longer
[01:09] <h3sp4wn> Wrong they have one old one young that is the pattern it always is
[01:09] <r0xz> that's what she said
[01:09] <Bizzeh> h3sp4wn: so, john paul was the last young one?
[01:09] <h3sp4wn> Yes
[01:10] <h3sp4wn> John Paul 2
[01:11] <Bizzeh> hmmn, kdevelop needs ALOT of work
[01:12] <klerfayt> sampan: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/28155
[01:12] <flo> with dapper when i'm tring to run adept y get this:
[01:12] <flo> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[01:12] <glick> hey so has anyone else been having problems with external harddrives and dapper?
[01:12] <klerfayt> flo: I know that problem
[01:13] <glick> with the live cd my drive mounted fine
[01:13] <flo> apt-get install works fine
[01:13] <glick> and when i had it installed it mounted fine too
[01:13] <nads> hey... how do i add "./" to the path?
[01:13] <glick> untill i upgraded that is
[01:13] <glick> till i did an upgrade
[01:13] <nads> (automatically that is)
[01:13] <klerfayt> flo: open konsole and do   sudo apt-get update  and then   sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:13] <h3sp4wn> nads: its a bad idea
[01:14] <nads> h3sp4wn: how so?
[01:14] <h3sp4wn> nads: the whole reason that there is a path system is so you can't just run apitary commends from anywhere
[01:15] <flo> klerfayt:that does a general upgrade of the sistem?
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> just symlink them to /usr/local/bin
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> or ~/bin (which will be become part of the patch if there on reboot
[01:15] <Bizzeh> whats a good tool for mounting ISO's in kubuntu?
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> mount
[01:15] <klerfayt> flo: yeah it is like kdesu adept_update that doesn't work for you yet
[01:15] <nads> h3sp4wn: i just want a path to the current directory... so when i'm in /home/whatever/mydir i could run programs without using ./myprogram
[01:16] <flo> tks
[01:16] <klerfayt> flo: that's how I got adept working
[01:16] <stodge> How do I install the nvidia drivers for dapper?
[01:17] <h3sp4wn> Bizzeh: sudo mount -o loop xubuntu-6.06-rc-desktop-i386.iso /mnt/combined/
[01:17] <h3sp4wn> Bizzeh: something like that would work
[01:17] <stodge> I can't see them through adept and using apt-get won't work due to unmet dependencies
[01:17] <PyroMithrandir> !nvidia
[01:17] <ubotu> Help about installing the nVidia drivers on Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[01:17] <Bizzeh> ty
[01:17] <stodge> That doesn't work - I can't find nvidia in adept
[01:18] <h3sp4wn> Bizzeh: It you want to modify isos the best way is with unionfs
[01:18] <Bizzeh> h3sp4wn: i just wanna mount to use
[01:18] <Bizzeh> ie. installing UT2K4
[01:18] <h3sp4wn> lol
[01:18] <PyroMithrandir> stodge, do you have all the repos?
[01:18] <stodge> nvidia-glx: Conflicts: nvidia-settings but 1.0-3ubuntu7 is to be installed
[01:19] <stodge> I'm not sure
[01:19] <glick> how often does the auto updator check for updates?
[01:19] <sampan> klerfayt  thanks for that bug link -- i'll keep a watch on that page :)
[01:19] <stodge> Is there a list somewhere?
[01:19] <PyroMithrandir> stodge, it says on that page "(in Dapper nvidia-settings is already part of nvidia-glx)"
[01:19] <stodge> oh
[01:19] <stodge> oops
[01:20] <klerfayt> sampan: there are more http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/742005
[01:21] <h3sp4wn> Bizzeh: does ut2k4 have a linux version on cd ?
[01:23] <Bizzeh> h3sp4wn: on the cd version i have, last cd has install.sh
[01:23] <Bizzeh> dvd, i havnt checked yet
[01:24] <Bizzeh> anyway
[01:24] <Bizzeh> bbl
[01:25] <h3sp4wn> Is kubuntu considered more woman friendly ?
[01:26] <suddo> whi?
[01:26] <suddo> why?*
[01:26] <h3sp4wn> never known any women to be in channels other than this
[01:27] <h3sp4wn> (that have made there gender obvious) may be just coincidence
[01:27] <suddo> im a man.
[01:27] <h3sp4wn> so am I
[01:30] <flo> how can i make the screen resolution to run at 1024x768@85 hz? now i have 60 in my system settings pannel and i cannot go any hyre from there, does the instalation of ati's proprietari driver solves that?
[01:32] <suddo> maybe, if you have an ati (i dont)
[01:32] <h3sp4wn> flo: what card
[01:32] <klerfayt> flo: no it doessn't depend on that
[01:33] <flo> how do i edit my xorgconf?
[01:33] <flo> i'm not an experienced usser
[01:33] <klerfayt> flo: have you done it before?
[01:34] <klerfayt> I'm not sure but you could try  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:34] <sampan> sheesh, now k3b is telling me it can't even FIND the cd writing tools
[01:34] <flo> neither my english is good
[01:35] <klerfayt> flo: by the way did fixed adept cache problem
[01:35] <flo> klerfayt: yes but y could use some help
[01:35] <flo> y have 53 min left to the end of the upgrade
[01:36] <MasterEvilAce> flo: are you using an LCD?
[01:36] <flo> no...crt 17 inches
[01:36] <MasterEvilAce> just checking
[01:37] <flo> is just killing my eyes
[01:38] <klerfayt> flo: wait for apt-get upgrade to finish at first
[01:40] <flo> klerfayt: k....then? tks aniway for the help given
[01:40] <klerfayt> flo: I'm not sure but I would reboot
[01:41] <^GoKu-^> saludos amigos!
[01:42] <suddo> hola
[01:42] <r0xz> flo: find out the highest resolution of your monitor and note the highest refresh rate it can deliver. Use that in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg with medium wizard at the end
[01:42] <^GoKu-^> disculpen, tengo un ligero problema que no se como solucionar
[01:42] <r0xz> that's the way i always configure a crt here
[01:42] <suddo> no deberias escribir en ingles?? :) ...
[01:42] <suddo> ...cual es?
[01:42] <klerfayt> r0xz: dpkg-reconfigure can automatically detect monitor
[01:43] <^GoKu-^> tengo instalado windows y kubuntu con el gestor grub para iniciar ... y todo marchaba bn
[01:43] <r0xz> klerfayt: well, my monitors are not detected here
[01:43] <flo> r0xz: the highest refresh is 87 hz
[01:44] <^GoKu-^> pero en linux comenze a montar la particion de windows para jalar y meter archivos ambas particiones y despus reinicie y ya no me permitia entrar a windows
[01:44] <^GoKu-^> alguna sugerencia?
[01:45] <flo> r0xz: what is medium wizard?
[01:45] <^GoKu-^> mas bien ya no me permite jajajaja :S
[01:45] <r0xz> flo: at the highest resolution? you have to input the highest resolution with the max Hz
[01:46] <suddo> al hacer cambios no causa problemas con windows
[01:46] <r0xz> flo: that's the part where you set the controll you'll have on the setup of resolution and refresh rate (it's at the end)
[01:46] <klerfayt> r0xz: is it safe to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg then doing sudo apt-get upgrade?
[01:46] <^GoKu-^> pos ya no me deja entrar desde el menu de grub, pero por ejemplo entro a linux y monto y lo monta y to, el problema nomas es que no arranca
[01:47] <r0xz> klerfayt: yes, xorg will only load the new settings when reloading x
[01:47] <flo> k...i'l doit in the morning thought, i have other 45 min of upgrade, tks all, good night
[01:47] <suddo> y ya probaste deshaciendo los cambios??
[01:48] <^GoKu-^> cuales cambios?
[01:48] <r0xz> good luck flo
[01:48] <^GoKu-^> mira, la vd no entiendo muxo eso de (hd0,0) (aunque se que asi arranca la primera particion)
[01:48] <^GoKu-^> y al montarlo lo monto /dev/hdc1
[01:48] <^GoKu-^> lo que si me fije en la consola es que tenia otro color hdc1 xD
[01:49] <^GoKu-^> y ya despues me lo ponia como amarillento =P
[01:49] <suddo> hdc1 es tu cdrom
[01:49] <suddo> no no...
[01:50] <suddo> tenias windows en la primera particion (primaria)?
[01:50] <^GoKu-^> Si
[01:50] <^GoKu-^> esta en la primera windows
[01:50] <^GoKu-^> y en la segunda ubuntu
[01:50] <^GoKu-^> y tengo un cd-rom
[01:50] <^GoKu-^> y la lectora floppy
[01:51] <suddo> ubuntu no monta particiones ajenas por default...
[01:51] <suddo> asi que...
[01:52] <suddo> ....
[01:52] <kkathman> does anyone in here use azureus in Dapper?
[01:52] <suddo> no deberia ser /dev/hda1 tu particion de windows??
[01:53] <r0xz> kkathman: nope i couldn'tt get it running...
[01:53] <r0xz> kkathman: i just use ktorrent svn :0
[01:53] <r0xz> * :)
[01:53] <suddo> kkathman i use azureus in breezy
[01:53] <^GoKu-^> suddo pos si, pero me la carga con dev/hdc1
[01:54] <^GoKu-^> te digo el problema no esta en montarlo al montarlo me lo monta bn y to y puedo ver los archivos
[01:54] <^GoKu-^> pero pos ya no puedo iniciar windows desde el menu list
[01:54] <^GoKu-^> jajaja :P
[01:55] <kkathman> suddo: I cant get it to work in Dapper
[01:55] <suddo> ^GoKu-^ instalaste windows y despues ubuntu verdad??
[01:56] <apokryphos> kkathman: http://ktorrent.pwsp.net/downloads/2.0beta1/ktorrent_2.0beta1-1_i386.deb
[01:56] <^GoKu-^> si
[01:56] <kkathman> apokryphos: ahhh a 2.0 deb!! excellent!
[01:56] <suddo> kkathman i'vent try on dapper, but, did you install java and blah blah blah??
[01:57] <kkathman> yes
[01:57] <suddo> ^GoKu-^ acabado de instalar ubuntu podias entrar a windows??
[01:57] <^GoKu-^> si
[01:57] <glick> anyone experience firewire harddrive mounting problems in dapper?
[01:57] <^GoKu-^> todo muy bien
[01:57] <suddo> kkathman is there a error message?
[01:57] <^GoKu-^> llevaba como unos quince dias asi
[01:57] <^GoKu-^> pero hoy justamente ocupaba jalar unos archivos de win y pos monte
[01:58] <r0xz> apokryphos: isn't that one for breezy?
[01:58] <^GoKu-^> y al intentar desmontarla me decia que estaba en uso
[01:58] <^GoKu-^> asi que reinicie asi,
[01:58] <^GoKu-^> y ya al entrar nanaiz paloma xD
[01:58] <kkathman> apokryphos:  its a nogo :(
[01:58] <kkathman> dpkg: error processing ktorrent_2.0beta1-1_i386.deb (--install):
[01:58] <kkathman>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/mimelnk/application/x-bittorrent.desktop', which is also in package kdelibs-data
[01:58] <suddo> ^GoKu-^ enconces :) ...
[01:58] <r0xz> kkathman: because?
[01:58] <kkathman> out of sync looks like
[01:58] <r0xz> ah i see
[01:59] <apokryphos> hm
[01:59] <r0xz> easy fix
[01:59] <kkathman> easy?
[01:59] <suddo> proba usando scandisk o algo porque seguro de danio.
[01:59] <apokryphos> suddo: English only in here
[01:59] <kkathman> r0xz:  ideas for the fix?
[01:59] <r0xz> kkathman: dpkg --force-overwrite
[01:59] <^GoKu-^> upz :S
[01:59] <kkathman> remembering Im on Dapper tho
[01:59] <apokryphos> kkathman: not a great idea
[01:59] <kkathman> ugh man I hate --force-overwrite :)
[01:59] <apokryphos> kkathman: just sudo apt-get build-dep ktorrent, and then compile
[02:00] <apokryphos> should go smoothly
[02:00] <suddo> ^GoKu-^: let's go to #ubuntu-es im there
[02:01] <^GoKu-^> suddo ok,
[02:01] <stodge> I'm running dapper now, but when I choose "add/remove programs" from the menu nothing happens
[02:01] <kkathman> apokryphos:  I think I probably dont have the compile tools right now tho
[02:01] <^GoKu-^> quest*
[02:01] <^GoKu-^> because only english?
[02:01] <apokryphos> kkathman: build-dep should do it.
[02:02] <kkathman> apokryphos:  but the current version isnt 2 in the repos
[02:02] <kkathman> so I think that will work only with 1.5
[02:02] <stodge> I get the bouncing cursor but the program never appears
[02:02] <apokryphos> kkathman: I think you'll still be fine
[02:03] <apokryphos> I doubt 2.0 brought many more build dependencies in, if any
[02:04] <trym|home> how sick is tihs
[02:04] <trym|home> Im on irc while installing linux
[02:04] <stodge> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169
[02:06] <r0xz> trym|home: that's not sick, that's modern and friendly ;)
[02:07] <trym|home> r0xz: of course.. but sick in a good way
[02:07] <r0xz> hehe
[02:08] <kkathman> apokryphos:  the build-dev finished
[02:09] <kkathman> apokryphos:  do I need to do anything else at this point?  this is new to me :)
[02:09] <glick> heh yeah i dont think dapper will be ready for production systems by its release date
[02:10] <glick> i had this same problem with breezy when breezy first came out
[02:13] <apokryphos> kkathman: nope, just compile
[02:13] <apokryphos> !build-dep
[02:13] <ubotu> APT's build-dep tool will automatically resolve build dependencies for you. Simply sudo apt-get build-dep <package>
[02:14] <kkathman> apokryphos:  so I do a ./configure ,make and makeinstall?
[02:14] <kkathman> and if so...WHERE?
[02:15] <apokryphos> kkathman: ./configure --prefix=/usr, make, checkinstall
[02:15] <apokryphos> kkathman: compiling from source. So download the source from the site.
[02:16] <kkathman> ahh
[02:16] <Infecto> [4325423.651000]  usb 1-2: USB disconnect, address 4
[02:17] <Infecto> thats 4325423.651000 is unix time or else
[02:17] <apokryphos> brb
[02:17] <glick> heh i think i should continue to run breezy for a couple of months
[02:17] <Infecto> why :) ltd works fine :)
[02:17] <glick> Infecto: i dont know cause my firewire drive no longer mounts when i plug it in
[02:18] <glick> worked in the liveCD
[02:18] <glick> worked when i first installed
[02:18] <glick> then i did an upgrade and it stopped working
[02:18] <glick> now i get kernel error messages
[02:18] <Infecto> show them
[02:18] <glick> i filed a bug report but i think i filed it under the wrong thing
[02:19] <glick> other then that i love dapper
[02:19] <glick> it looks and performs nicely
[02:19] <glick> but i need my data on that drive
[02:19] <Infecto> what kernel
[02:20] <Infecto> uname -r
[02:20] <glick> Infecto: i didnt upgrade the kernel
[02:20] <glick> Linux voyager1 2.6.15-23-386 #1 PREEMPT Tue May 23 13:49:40 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:20] <glick> it doesnt work in the 386 one either
[02:21] <Infecto> you did
[02:21] <Infecto> upgrade kernel
[02:21] <Infecto> 2.6.15-23-386 is the younger in repository
[02:22] <glick> Infecto: huh?
[02:22] <Infecto> put your device
[02:22] <Infecto> and showm me dmesg line
[02:22] <Infecto> dmesg message about this fire wire
[02:23] <glick> Infecto: http://rafb.net/paste/results/qJc47Z82.html
[02:25] <kkathman> apokryphos:  well all kinds of compile errors :)
[02:25] <kkathman> Im suspecting there are imcompatibilities
[02:25] <kkathman> Dapper IS still pretty beta
[02:25] <kkathman> hehe
[02:26] <glick> how beta can it still be its due out in 3 days
[02:27] <Infecto> glick:  dpkg -l |grep linux-image
[02:28] <glick> Infecto: http://rafb.net/paste/results/CI88I622.html
[02:28] <kkathman> glick:  hehe you'd be surprised :)
[02:29] <Infecto> glick: hmm
[02:29] <kkathman> jrjr
[02:29] <Infecto> you dont heaw older kernel
[02:29] <Infecto> so
[02:29] <Infecto> i think thats bigest problem
[02:29] <glick> Infecto: can i get the older one?
[02:29] <Infecto> you must take look on mirrors
[02:30] <Infecto> 2.6.15-22-386
[02:30] <Infecto> that what you should look
[02:30] <Infecto> but you can try to witch in 686 arch kernel
[02:30] <glick> Infecto: so just get that deb package?
[02:30] <Infecto> glick: your boot manager is grub yes ?
[02:30] <glick> Infecto: yes
[02:30] <Infecto> glick: jest get deb package
[02:31] <Infecto> try on 686
[02:31] <Infecto> maybe that error wil be loss
[02:31] <glick> umm the mirros listed on ubuntu.com?
[02:31] <Infecto> maybe try
[02:31] <Infecto> i always keep my older kernels
[02:32] <Infecto> right now im back to -22
[02:32] <Infecto> :)
[02:33] <glick> Infecto: in the breezy repos or the dapper repos?
[02:33] <Infecto> dapper
[02:33] <juanfe> hallo
[02:33] <Infecto> juanfe: hallo
[02:35] <apokryphos> kkathman: what compile errors?
[02:39] <glick> yeah i have no idea where i would find that deb fle
[02:39] <glick> file
[02:42] <zblach> now why would k3b suddenly refuse to burn dvds?
[02:43] <nnn0> because you try to burn a windows cd ? oh no kde is not made by m$ sry :D
[02:43] <zblach> nnn0: ???
[02:43] <r0xz> am i the only one where the option flags in mp3 ripping aren't working?
[02:44] <nnn0> yes
[02:44] <nnn0> next!
[02:44] <nnn0> :D
[02:44] <nnn0> sry
[02:44] <zblach> r0xz: (ignore him)
[02:44] <zblach> uh...
[02:44] <evader> is there any benchmarks around, that compare KDE to Gnome?
[02:44] <nnn0> i do i do
[02:44] <zblach> evader: apples v. oranges
[02:44] <nnn0> both is bloated, but gnome is evil too
[02:45] <glick> Infecto: check this out http://rafb.net/paste/results/HybM2N32.html
[02:45] <zblach> juicy delicious apples v. old bruised oranges
[02:45] <glick> do i have 4 kernels installed?
[02:45] <evader> zblach: why do you say that?
[02:45] <evader> glick: why do you say that?
[02:45] <evader> I'
[02:45] <glick> and what does pi stand for
[02:45] <zblach> evader: i've used both, and I much prefer kde
[02:45] <zblach> seems cleaner, quicker, and more intuitive
[02:45] <glick> evader: check out that link
[02:45] <Infecto> glick: that is still -23
[02:45] <Infecto> linux-image-2.6.15-22-386
[02:45] <nnn0> the ratio of the circumference to the diameter of a circle; approximately equal to 3.14159265358979323846
[02:45] <Infecto>  -22
[02:46] <Infecto> that what you need
[02:46] <Infecto> ok by
[02:46] <Infecto> battery donw
[02:46] <Infecto> [d]
[02:46] <nnn0> d8^,-~~"
[02:46] <evader> I've used gnome for ages, and just switched to KDE...
[02:46] <evader> i do like some things (amaroK)
[02:46] <evader> and the system tray..
[02:46] <nnn0> gnome is too much like windows for my taste
[02:47] <evader> why is gnome like windows?
[02:47] <nnn0> trying to hide functionality
[02:47] <evader> What's that link for?
[02:47] <nnn0> make it "simple"
[02:47] <evader> the pi one..
[02:47] <nnn0> fuck simple
[02:48] <evader> Also, using ubuntu, i can't ctrl-alt-f1, f2 etc... to get to a console
[02:48] <evader> any ideas why...
[02:48] <nnn0> if you want a cool wm, both gnome and kde are not gonna cut it
[02:48] <evader> ubuntu or kubuntu just give me a blank screen when i do it
[02:48] <r0xz> nnn0: get yourself together please
[02:48] <zblach> evader: left ctrl + left alt
[02:48] <nnn0> okok
[02:48] <evader> zblach: yeah that's what i do
[02:48] <evader> nnn0: I'm very fond of wmii
[02:48] <nnn0> there you go
[02:48] <zblach> evader: you have a new keyboard? maybe F-lock is not on?
[02:48] <nnn0> :)
[02:49] <evader> zblach: nah, i am using a laptop keyboard
[02:49] <nnn0> i'm playing with fluxbox
[02:49] <evader> nnn0: what do you think of fluxbox?
[02:49] <PyroMithrandir> evader, did you ask that question earlier? maybe in #ubuntu?
[02:49] <evader> i prefer keyboard driven stuff
[02:49] <PyroMithrandir> because I saw that same question earlier today
[02:49] <nnn0> but now i run enlightenment as wm undre kde :D
[02:49] <evader> PyroMithrandir: no
[02:49] <evader> nnn0: how do i switch wm's under KDE?
[02:49] <PyroMithrandir> what happens if you do ctrl+alt+f* and then hit enter
[02:49] <evader> PyroMithrandir: , i'll try..
[02:50] <PyroMithrandir> that's what did it for the last guy, I believe
[02:50] <evader> nah that didnt work
[02:51] <PyroMithrandir> ah, well, it worked for someone else today
[02:51] <nnn0> k edit /etc/profile
[02:51] <nnn0> and put in above export:  KDEWM=enlightenment
[02:51] <nnn0> and then add that do export, like in: export PATH KDEWM
[02:52] <nnn0> and then restart session
[02:52] <evader> that makes no sense.. this is the first couple lines of my /etc/profile
[02:52] <evader> #/etc/profile: system-wide .profile file for the Bourne shell (sh(1))
[02:52] <evader> # and Bourne compatible shells (bash(1), ksh(1), ash(1), ...).
[02:52] <evader> if [ "$PS1" ] ; then
[02:52] <evader>   if [ "$BASH" ] ; then
[02:52] <evader>     PS1='\u@\h:\w\$ '
[02:52] <nnn0> of course you have to build enlightenment beforehand ;)
[02:52] <evader> i want to use wmii under kde :)
[02:52] <PyroMithrandir> evader, when I had that problem with the blank screen instead of a console, I remember it being because of the splash option in booting the kernel
[02:52] <evader> to see if it works
[02:53] <evader> evader: ok.. i'll turn that off..
[02:53] <_neil> Hi I am trying to get a USB printer to go but cups says it is not connected, can anyone help
[02:53] <evader> _neil: lsusb
[02:53] <evader> lsusb |grep -i printer
[02:53] <evader> see anything?
[02:53] <zblach> k3b reports the dvd as a blank medium (correct), but also says that it has no writable medium
[02:53] <evader> lsmod |grep -i usb
[02:54] <evader> zblach: run k3bsetup2?
[02:54] <zblach> done that, there are no errors
[02:54] <zblach> but this works: writing an image first, and then burning the image
[02:54] <MasterEvilAce> A few of my laptop keys (Media keys: Play,stop,prev,next) do not generate any sort of codes when pressed.. how do i make them?
[02:55] <zblach> MasterEvilAce: sometimes they just don't
[02:55] <_neil> evader: nothing with the the text "printer"
[02:55] <zblach> not all media keys work with linux
[02:55] <zblach> sorry
[02:55] <evader> _neil: what version of ubuntu are you using?
[02:55] <MasterEvilAce> zblach: i can't MAKE them work? :(
[02:56] <evader> Hmm... so much bloat... so little time. I want a distro like Gentoo, where i can choose what I want, but not start off with heaps of bloat
[02:56] <PyroMithrandir> MasterEvilAce, write drivers :)
[02:56] <evader> Maybe ubuntu-server is the way to go?
[02:56] <evader> I want to be able to choose like Gentoo, but not compile everything!
[02:57] <evader> Is ubuntu server the same as ubuntu/kubuntu but, with no xorg and X packages?
[02:58] <zblach> MasterEvilAce: i'm sure you _can_ but the road is long and difficult, and no one's ever survived
[02:58] <zblach> if you do, post a tutorial
[02:59] <zblach> if you don't... well, you died for a good cause
[03:01] <evader> Is ubuntu-server the same basis as Kubuntu and Ubuntu, but with no X packages?
[03:01] <_neil> evader: sorry for the delay linux version is "Linux laptop 2.6.12-10-386 #1 Fri Apr 28 13:13:44 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux"
[03:04] <evader> is that Kubuntu Breezy?
[03:04] <_neil> evader: I think so.
[03:05] <evader> hmm...
[03:05] <evader> show me the output of lsusb, in a private message
[03:05] <_neil> evader: how
[03:06] <evader> in a terminal, do lsusb
[03:06] <evader> copy the text
[03:06] <evader> paste it in irc
[03:06] <evader> and add
[03:06] <evader> "/msg evader yourtexthere"
[03:07] <_neil> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 047e:1001 Agere Systems, Inc. (Lucent) USS720 Parallel Port
[03:07] <_neil> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[03:07] <_neil> sorry that didn't go as planed
[03:08] <evader> hah
[03:08] <evader> hmm
[03:08] <evader> is the printer turned on!?
[03:08] <evader> unplug the printer (the usb cable)
[03:08] <evader> plug it back in
[03:09] <evader> then, in a konsole, do dmesg|head -n 20
[03:09] <evader> and then paste that to me
[03:09] <_neil> evader: hah hah first thing I checked. don't you mean 'tail'
[03:09] <evader> oops
[03:09] <evader> yeah :0
[03:10] <evader> What are the disadvantages of using a KDE app under Gnome, or a Gnome app under KDE?
[03:11] <evader> Is it just that you'd have both sets of libraries (QT and GTK/GTK2) loaded in memory?
[03:12] <sheldonc> evader: well the apps might act a bit differently, and you'd be consuming more resources
[03:13] <_neil> evader: see http://cpp.enisoc.com/pastebin/6982
[03:13] <evader> What I really want: Gnome/KDE, with wmii as the window manager (for keyboard goodness) and amaroK
[03:14] <evader> _neil: [ 2169.115489]  uss720: reg: d8 0c 23 00 00 00 01
[03:14] <evader> [ 2169.115501]  uss720: epaddr 131 interval 1
[03:14] <evader> [ 2171.661908]  parport2: Printer, HEWLETT-PACKARD DESKJET 948C
[03:14] <evader> [ 2171.666327]  lp2: using parport2 (polling).
[03:14] <evader> it's there..?
[03:14] <evader> open up a web browser
[03:14] <evader> and go to:
[03:14] <evader> http://localhost:631
[03:14] <evader> tell me what comes up
[03:15] <OpenSorce> odd question: Since I upgraded to FireFox 1.5 everytime I insert a CD it shows the contents in a Konq window 11 times.......make any sense? :-)
[03:15] <_neil> evader: a page with a number of options to click on
[03:16] <evader> ok
[03:16] <evader> so cups is running..
[03:16] <evader> try and add a printer through that web interface
[03:17] <ahmeni> evader: KDE apps typically have some other KDE functionality that they come with, so your loading times will depend on what is and isn't currently loaded, but otherwise everything but systray icons work great in wmii
[03:21] <word> I'm getting no sound in mplayer...i get sound in other things but not in it...what could be wrong?
[03:21] <evader> when you run mplayer, is there any errors
[03:25] <stodge> Hi - I added the repository for koffice, but it doesn't show in the adept search results. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
[03:26] <evader> stodge: apt-get update
[03:26] <stodge> did that already
[03:26] <moldor> Hi gang - quick question: can I do a hard drive install from the Live CD ?
[03:26] <evader> are you sure the repo has been added (cat /etc/apt/sources.lst)
[03:27] <stodge> Damn I added it manually but it's not there
[03:27] <evader> sudo vi /etc/apt/source.lst
[03:27] <word> evader: Sorry for the late response.  yes, Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound when i play a video.
[03:27] <evader> hmm
[03:27] <evader> but the same thing works when you open it in a different player?
[03:27] <stodge> sources.list?
[03:28] <evader> stodge: yeah
[03:28] <evader> sorry
[03:28] <stodge> :)
[03:28] <word> I can hear sound in other programs i don't have any other video players atm i'm getting this to work for streaming video.
[03:28] <stodge> It is at the end of sources.list but it doesn't show in apt-get update
[03:28] <evader> also, you may need to add the GPG key stodge
[03:28] <evader> # gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv KEY
[03:28] <evader> # gpg --export --armor KEY | sudo apt-key add -
[03:28] <evader> replace KEY with
[03:29] <evader> DD4D5088\
[03:29] <evader> that should be the kubuntu.org Koffice key..
[03:29] <evader> not the \
[03:29] <evader> just DD4D5088
[03:29] <stodge> I did this          http://kubuntu.org/announcements/koffice-151.php
[03:29] <stodge> wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[03:29] <stodge> sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[03:29] <word> evader: I can hear sound in other programs i don't have any other video players atm i'm getting this to work for streaming video.
[03:30] <evader> ah ok
[03:30] <evader> not sure word, try... mplayer --no-cache
[03:30] <evader> or whatever the option is
[03:31] <stodge> Ah            gpg: can't open `kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg': No such file or directory
[03:32] <evader> stick to the console
[03:32] <evader> Adept sucks
[03:37] <OpenSorce> sorry I was afk......did anyone address my question?
[03:38] <OpenSorce> guess not? Is it ok if I re-post it then?
[03:38] <evader> ja
[03:38] <OpenSorce> Danke.....odd question: Since I upgraded to FireFox 1.5 everytime I insert a CD it shows the contents in a Konq window 11 times.......make any sense? :-)
[03:38] <evader> that sucks
[03:38] <evader> um
[03:39] <evader> run...
[03:39] <evader> sudo update-alternatives --all
[03:39] <evader> There is an option, about web browsers...
[03:39] <OpenSorce> I mean it mounts ok and it's just an annoyance closing 11 windows......
[03:39] <evader> disable autorun....
[03:39] <evader> but do that update-alternatives thing first
[03:40] <OpenSorce> hmm.....well.....I'm trying to make an image of a very well setup Kubuntu install.......I don't need autorun myself but others might.....
[03:41] <mathakin> alguien habla espaol aca?
[03:41] <evader> run sudo update-alternatives --all
[03:41] <evader> ci
[03:41] <mathakin> si como que?
[03:41] <mathakin> a alguien le ha pasado que ninguna aplicacion de Kubuntu le salga a internet a menos que sea una que viene con Kubuntu?
[03:41] <martim> anyone having problems with broken packages in synaptic? ntp-server specifically
[03:42] <OpenSorce> evader: ja, vielen Dank
[03:42] <evader> bitte sehr
[03:42] <xwolf-> damn... deutsch
[03:42] <mathakin> joe no cazo una & my english y so bad!
[03:43] <xwolf-> ich brauche TO erlernen das
[03:43] <xwolf-> lol
[03:43] <mathakin> O_O
[03:43] <evader> Eu no sou certo o que voc significa
[03:43] <MasterEvilAce> HELL YEAH SUPER TUX 100FPS
[03:43] <MasterEvilAce> gooo tux
[03:43] <mathakin> bye people  I can t understand you
[03:43] <OpenSorce> Sie wissen genug
[03:44] <evader> TOO MANY LANGUAGES
[03:44] <OpenSorce> ah crap :-(
[03:44] <evader> haha
[03:44] <OpenSorce> sorry guys.....
[03:44] <evader> meh i was trying to keep up
[03:44] <evader> but i'm crap
[03:44] <evader> i'll stick to english
[03:44] <OpenSorce>
[03:45] <OpenSorce> yeah me too
[03:46] <evader> If I install the Dapper RC today, will there be any difference if I had of just waited a few days and installed the final release?
[03:46] <evader> As long as I keep it updated ..
[03:46] <OpenSorce> seems like......
[03:46] <evader> ?
[03:47] <OpenSorce> but I've only been reviewing (k)Ubuntu for about a week or so......don't take my word for it
[03:47] <evader> What do you mean seems like?
[03:47] <Bilford>
[03:48] <Bilford> Can Windows do that?
[03:49] <omega> Why would windows want to do that?
[03:49] <Bilford> it looks cool
[03:49] <omega> Does it though?
[03:50] <ubuntu> brb
[03:51] <OpenSorce> evader: sorry.....seems like it would be the same.....sorry was reading and installing KotOR2....and sending an sms.....did I mention my ADD?
[03:51] <evader> hah
[03:51] <jonathan_> Hey, can you boot an iso from a hard disk?
[03:52] <OpenSorce> btw.....liflg.org doth rock
[03:52] <OpenSorce> jonathan_: VMWare can.....
[03:53] <jonathan_> just set up like a network install?
[03:54] <OpenSorce> oh, ok....what are you trying to do?
[03:55] <OpenSorce> wow....there was a guy here named Palpatine....who quit when I said I was installing KotOR2?!? He's gone to warn the Sith!!! :-D
[03:55] <OpenSorce> Holy hell........end of the month.....out of Ritalin too soon.....I'l stfu now
[03:56] <sheldonc> bit too much sugar today
[03:57] <OpenSorce> man.....jonathan_ left :-(
[03:58] <OpenSorce> now I REALLY feel like a dork
[04:00] <lwizardl> whats a good newsgroup binaries downloader besides pan? pan seems to crash and close itself to often for me
[04:01] <Macxdmg> anyone know what /etc/rc.local
[04:01] <Macxdmg> is
[04:02] <evader> man /etc/rc.local
[04:02] <martim> ntp-server: broken package
[04:03] <Macxdmg> i can't get into my kubuntu ... the last thing I see is running /etc/rc.local ... in safe mode it reads /etc/rcS.D before it hangs
[04:04] <OpenSorce> Macxdmg: rc.local is a group of startup commands and such
[04:05] <OpenSorce> mac: it doesn't mean that THAT is the cause of your problem
[04:05] <word> With mplayer i get this error - http://pastebin.com/742166 in command line..what could be wrong?
[04:06] <OpenSorce> on my first Kubuntu install I broke it clicking "Full Upgrade" in adept
[04:07] <word> OpenSorce: any idea what my problem is?
[04:07] <OpenSorce> word: I'm looking.....
[04:08] <word> OpenSorce: Thanks.
[04:09] <OpenSorce> word: dunno if that's really an error message per se but maybe just telling you that it is pasting the crash info you "pastebin" or that you need to.....are there any other error messages?
[04:09] <Jack_Sparrow> Anyone know how to change the startbar to look like XP
[04:09] <omega> Install Windows. =P
[04:09] <Jack_Sparrow> Ouch, tough room
[04:10] <sheldonc> hahaha
[04:10] <OpenSorce> Jack_Sparrow: there are several nice looking themes out there
[04:10] <omega> It's just a joke. Nothing to worry about.
[04:10] <word> I get the Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound. in gui of mplayer
[04:10] <Jack_Sparrow> I know it can be changed. Just trying to learn my way around Kubuntu
[04:11] <OpenSorce> jack: I doubt any look like XP.......we're Linux people....most of us (well me anyway) hate M$ :-)
[04:11] <OpenSorce> wtf?!? My nick complete only works half the time !
[04:11] <OpenSorce> That's it, I am re-installing Slack 3!
[04:11] <word> OpenSorce: lol... so any idea what - Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound. means?
[04:12] <Jack_Sparrow> You can see screenshots at kde-look.org
[04:12] <sheldonc> im sure there is ways you can make it look just like windows. don't hate MS.
[04:13] <Jack_Sparrow> Fixing MS pays the bills...
[04:13] <OpenSorce> word: yes actually......ok, (guys correct me if I am wrong here) (K)Ubuntu has a "DSP" group that a user must belong to in order to acess the sound card
[04:13] <MasterEvilAce> amarok does NOT open the "do not show splashscreen" thing
[04:14] <azayaka> hello all
[04:14] <MasterEvilAce> hi
[04:14] <azayaka> i just installed kubuntu this morning its really cool
[04:14] <OpenSorce> word: (why am I using nick complete for your nick?!?!) Do you know if your user account you are trtying to launch mplayer with is in this group?
[04:15] <azayaka> but now i feel like such a dumbass.. im new to this.. i dont recall it asking me to create a root password?
[04:15] <Macxdmg> Open : do you know how i could get my kubuntu to start?
[04:15] <OpenSorce> ./s/trtying/trying
[04:15] <azayaka> during the install.. if it did then whatever i typed isnt working
[04:15] <OpenSorce> mac: when I broke mine I reinstalled it.....
[04:15] <azayaka> i may need to attempt single user mode and set root passwd in there somehow from what i've read
[04:15] <OpenSorce> azayaka: rott account is disabled by default
[04:16] <OpenSorce> *root
[04:16] <azayaka> oooh so its not just me
[04:16] <Macxdmg> fork ... thanks open
[04:16] <Hobbsee> MasterEvilAce: yes, there's a bug in malone for that
[04:16] <MasterEvilAce> cool
[04:16] <OpenSorce> azayaka: use sudo for anything rootish you need to do :-)
[04:16] <azayaka> yeah been doing that so far for the most part
[04:17] <azayaka> i was a little disappointed when i tried playing one of my DVD's after i'd installed VLC media player
[04:17] <OpenSorce> azayaka: I hated it at first.....then I thought of all the coppertops that misused root in Mandrake all those years ago (shudder) now I like it :-)
[04:18] <azayaka> it seems to be not working at all for DVD's error states region 4 or something..
[04:18] <azayaka> im thinking i need a css or a decss thingo
[04:18] <azayaka> if u know what i mean ?
[04:18] <OpenSorce> azayaka: ah....still doable......add the "other" repositories in Adept and then you can download all the needed libs for DVD's and mp3s
[04:18] <azayaka> cool thanks ^^
[04:18] <azayaka> i'll give it a go now
[04:19] <OpenSorce> azayaka: seems like I still needed at least one lib from VLC's site though.....
[04:19] <OpenSorce> azayaka: have fun :-)
[04:21] <OpenSorce> Kubuntu Kninjas.......feel free to toss me a stfu if I say the wrong thing here......I am, after all, a Kubuntu Knewb
[04:21] <nick__> does anyone know much about xgl?
[04:21] <MasterEvilAce> STFU
[04:21] <OpenSorce> ./s/tonigh/tonight
[04:22] <OpenSorce> master: haha
[04:22] <OpenSorce> grr....stupid nick complete
[04:22] <azayaka> nick_ i know XGL looks damn awesome im gonna set it up when im done here
[04:22] <MasterEvilAce> lol
[04:22] <nick__> I've got it
[04:22] <nick__> sortof
[04:22] <Jack_Sparrow> OpenSorce:  mine works
[04:22] <MasterEvilAce> I need fun apps for KDe/Kubuntu plz k thx
[04:22] <OpenSorce> Jack_Sparrow: mine only half the time.....like litterally every other time
[04:22] <nick__> Just whenever windows get too big they turn black
[04:23] <nick__> so the desktop is all black
[04:23] <OpenSorce> jack: see?
[04:23] <nick__> maximized windows are black
[04:23] <OpenSorce> oh....wait....caps!
[04:23] <OpenSorce> Jack_Sparrow: 1
[04:23] <OpenSorce> jack: 1
[04:23] <OpenSorce> yup.....how silly
[04:23] <Jack_Sparrow> Cool
[04:24] <nick__> I think I need to roll back my nvidia-glx driver
[04:24] <Jack_Sparrow> CaSe SeNsEtIvE
[04:24] <nick__> can't figure out how to do it though...
[04:24] <OpenSorce> Jack_Sparrow: I ph33r your 1337 cApS skillz
[04:24] <Hobbsee> bah.  stop that.
[04:24] <Hobbsee> MasterEvilAce: go look in adept for apps
[04:25] <OpenSorce> Hobbsee: yessir
[04:25] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:25] <Jack_Sparrow> I am still trying to change my K-Menu to an XP look
[04:25] <nick__> ugh
[04:25] <nick__> why
[04:25] <nick__> on earth
[04:25] <MasterEvilAce> Hobbsee: I know.. but there's too many
[04:25] <OpenSorce> Jack_Sparrow: that is blasphemy.....you know that right?
[04:25] <MasterEvilAce> OpenSorce: It's Mam! not Sir!
[04:25] <OpenSorce> MasterEvilAce: really?
[04:25] <MasterEvilAce> OpenSorce: of course
[04:26] <nick__> I don't use the menu anymore just katapult for me
[04:26] <Jack_Sparrow> It is just a way for me to begin to learn my way around Kubuntu
[04:26] <nick__> oh
[04:26] <nick__> you know about katapult?
[04:26] <Jack_Sparrow> I saw screenshots of it at KDE-Look.org
[04:26] <nick__> it should be on your computer now
[04:26] <nick__> it comes with kubuntu
[04:27] <Jack_Sparrow> Not katapult.. The XP theme.
[04:27] <nick__> oh
[04:27] <OpenSorce> MasterEvilAce: " We exist without skin color,
[04:27] <OpenSorce> without nationality, without religious bias..." I suppose without gender in my eyes......Linux chicks are however, hot :-)
[04:27] <OpenSorce> hey......how did that CR slip in there?!?
[04:27] <nick__> I guess if there's an OSX theme, why not an Xp theme?
[04:28] <CaBlGuY> greetings and salutations all..  :)
[04:28] <Jack_Sparrow> Yo... Go Yellow....CAB
[04:28] <azayaka> crud adept keeps crashing T_T
[04:28] <OpenSorce> CaBlGuY: howdy
[04:28] <OpenSorce> azayaka: uh-oh......you might try running it in a terminal to see why...
[04:29] <CaBlGuY> im tired of winblowz freezin up so, IM stickin with ubuntu at least until dapper comes out and I can upgrade. :P
[04:29] <OpenSorce> azayaka: or type dmesg to see what's up maybe
[04:29] <Jack_Sparrow> I still have an hour of DL on the HD Install CD
[04:29] <nick__> what do you have for a connection Jack_Sparrow?
[04:30] <OpenSorce> CaBlGuY: "Why do my eyes hurt?" Morpheus: "Because you've never used them before."
[04:30] <Jack_Sparrow> DSL
[04:30] <CaBlGuY> dang..   wel Jack_Sparrow  sometimes the server is a little slow too..
[04:30] <CaBlGuY> LOL
[04:31] <Jack_Sparrow> np I am on a different computer anyhow...
[04:31] <azayaka> uhoh ...
[04:31] <nick__> are you getting the dVd?
[04:31] <Jack_Sparrow> no.. just the CD foor now
[04:31] <CaBlGuY> Jack_Sparrow,  oh, cool..
[04:31] <CaBlGuY> Jack_Sparrow,  is this your first time in Ubunutu then?
[04:31] <Jack_Sparrow> brb need to get a slice of watermellon
[04:31] <OpenSorce> Well let's see.....I've referrenced the "Mentor's" manifesto and the Matrix......I wonder how truly lame I can sound this evening......GOD I wish I wasn't out of ritalin
[04:31] <Jack_Sparrow> Yes, I have run Mepis and Knoppix
[04:32] <azayaka> says something like hda: command error : {drive ready seek complete error}
[04:32] <nick__> may want to wait for dapper
[04:32] <nick__> Jack_Sparrow: a
[04:32] <CaBlGuY> Jack_Sparrow,  well good for you...  I like Ubuntu.. It's pretty simple to install and get drivers for all yur shtuff.. ;)
[04:32] <nick__> it comes out in a few days
[04:32] <azayaka> that stuffs probably just something to do with my dvd drive having dvd in
[04:32] <CaBlGuY> yea.. dapper is comin out in like 5 days or somethin..
[04:32] <nick__> 4
[04:32] <Jack_Sparrow> azayaka... Are you running the nforce4 and a Maxtor drive?
[04:32] <CaBlGuY> be the newest distro..
[04:33] <OpenSorce> is Dapper just for 64bit?
[04:33] <nick__> no
[04:33] <MasterEvilAce> :(
[04:33] <nick__> i'm running it now
[04:33] <MasterEvilAce> return to castle wolfenstein CD won't install (in windows)
[04:33] <CaBlGuY> OpenSorce,  no..
[04:33] <MasterEvilAce> cd prob or something. yet cd has NO scratches
[04:33] <CaBlGuY> it will be for regular machines as well
[04:33] <nick__> it was too stable for me so I had to try this whole compiz/xgl stuff
[04:33] <azayaka> yeah i have Nforce 4 with 4x sata HDD's (2x seagate 300gb, 1x WD 300GB 1x seagate 250GB)
[04:34] <OpenSorce> no? Oh great.....I've spent two weeks writing a review of Kubuntu as-is.....wouldn't be right to publish it without reviewing Dapper would it?
[04:34] <CaBlGuY> OpenSorce,  sure it would..
[04:34] <MasterEvilAce`LT> it would
[04:34] <nick__> it just be out of date
[04:34] <azayaka> i think its saying hda which would be IDE pioneer DVD burner (i've 2 of these hda, hdc)
[04:34] <Jack_Sparrow> azayaka:  there are some issues with the nforce4 chipset..
[04:34] <nick__> rather quickly ;)
[04:34] <CaBlGuY> Just be sure u mention it's pre-dapper
[04:34] <CaBlGuY> :0
[04:34] <CaBlGuY> :o)
[04:34] <MasterEvilAce`LT> and say what sorta features dapper has added
[04:34] <nick__> dapper is in RC right now
[04:34] <azayaka> used to have maxtor HDD IDE till i installed this morning took out old slow IDE
[04:34] <nick__> so all the features are there
[04:35] <MasterEvilAce`LT> Be like Kubuntu was awesome! and this isn't even the newest version, there's new hotness that is DAPPER! it cures cancer
[04:35] <OpenSorce> CaBlGuY: nah......I could do that but then I'd wanna turn right around and review Dapper
[04:35] <nick__> apt-get dist-upgrade :)
[04:35] <MasterEvilAce`LT> your name is spelled wrong btw
[04:35] <MasterEvilAce`LT> Source
[04:35] <nick__> add the repos first
[04:35] <Jack_Sparrow> azayaka: do a quick search on the web for nforce4 hard drive problems
[04:36] <CaBlGuY> OpenSorce,  true, whatever you feel is best..  eather way would be fine im sure..  ;)
[04:36] <OpenSorce> MasterEvilAce: oh! Hey!!! You are the first to ever notice that!!
[04:36] <MasterEvilAce> OpenSorce: LOL really? or sarcasm?
[04:36] <Jack_Sparrow> It isnt just a Linux problem it is windows as well.  Seagates seem to do the best
[04:36] <azayaka> jack_Sparrow will i then find a cure? or will it simply make me cry?
[04:36] <Bilford> Konq is acting like FF did before I did the IPV6 fix on FF..   How do I do the same thing to Konq
[04:36] <nick__> ipv6?
[04:36] <Bilford> long pauses before a page loads
[04:37] <Jack_Sparrow> It will make you cry..
[04:37] <azayaka> this evening im buying a 2nd 7800GTX extreme 256MB for SLI .. will this cause problems for linux?
[04:37] <nick__> probably lol
[04:37] <Jack_Sparrow> Nforce is ignoring the problem..
[04:37] <nick__> i don't know about SLI support
[04:37] <nick__> because it's so new
[04:37] <Hobbsee> MasterEvilAce: search button :P
[04:37] <OpenSorce> MasterEvilAce: I'm kidding.....a long time ago on a BBS far far away I posted through sleepy eyes to some selfish dev....."There is no "U" in Open Source"......I meant to say "no "I" in.." anyway.....people called me "OpenSorce" after that
[04:38] <Bilford> Im sure this is a very very common problem
[04:38] <azayaka> i'd read posts people run gentoo with SLI fine.. nvidia provides their own binaries so i just figured it'd work
[04:38] <Bilford> The long delay before something loads in Konq
[04:38] <MasterEvilAce> OpenSorce: haha, nice
[04:38] <Bilford> how do I fix it
[04:38] <nick__> could thene
[04:38] <Bilford> a web page, that is
[04:38] <OpenSorce> MasterEvilAce: also at that time you could only have a 9 character nick in IRC.....OpenSorce fit
[04:38] <CaBlGuY> OpenSorce, hehe   well there ya go then..  good nick story..  :)
[04:38] <nick__> Are you sure it's not just a bad connection Bilford
[04:38] <nick__> ?
[04:38] <azayaka> hehe earlier i'd tried about 10 times to install gentoo.. always failed.. unless i installed it on other peoples computers
[04:38] <MasterEvilAce> CaBlGuY: indeed, quite original.
[04:38] <azayaka> then it worked perfectly
[04:38] <azayaka> so i figured i'd go kubuntu FTW simplicity
[04:39] <CaBlGuY> MasterEvilAce,  indeed..  :)
[04:39] <Jack_Sparrow> I really need to go cut a piece of watermellon.. THe wife is giving me that "LOOK"
[04:40] <OpenSorce> Can you guys believe that KOTOR2 has been installing this WHOLE time?
[04:40] <OpenSorce> Jack_Sparrow: you better run
[04:40] <OpenSorce> CaBlGuY: so Jim Carrey or Larry the?
[04:41] <OpenSorce> CaBlGuY: or do you have a nick story as lame as mine? :-)
[04:41] <MasterEvilAce> Guys: Maybe he's just a cable guy?
[04:42] <OpenSorce> yeah, yeah could be....sorry am I being too "off-topic"?
[04:42] <Spaceraver> then he is teh evil!!
[04:42] <Spaceraver> :D
[04:42] <OpenSorce> Spaceraver: hehe
[04:42] <MasterEvilAce> IRC is never really ontopic
[04:42] <OpenSorce> MasterEvilAce: too true
[04:42] <Spaceraver> the day it is.. im quitting irc!!
[04:43] <MasterEvilAce> Spaceraver: who are you again? :P
[04:43] <OpenSorce> Spaceraver: NO!!! Quit you must not, to the DarkSide it will lead you!
[04:43] <Spaceraver> just a ubuntu user
[04:44] <CaBlGuY> OpenSorce,  I have a story.. well, Kinda..
[04:44] <CaBlGuY> :p
[04:44] <Spaceraver> hehe
[04:44] <OpenSorce> CaBlGuY: yeah?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> !kofftopic
[04:44] <ubotu> kofftopic is probably Non Kubuntu support related discussions may be carried out in the channel #kubuntu-offtopic. Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
[04:45] <MasterEvilAce`LT> be quiet, ubotu, nobody likes you!
[04:45] <CaBlGuY> I'm an "old skool" script kiddie..   and I had a cable connection when we opened our Warez channel on IRC back in the day... and back then I was known as CaBlGuY-SuRfRkInG
[04:45] <CaBlGuY> :)
[04:45] <word> OpenSorce: Sorry for the late response >< i only have one user and only one group and amarok works fine so I don't think that's it.
[04:45] <OpenSorce> CaBlGuY: nice!
[04:45] <r0xz> pfff just used abcde and jack, those are really advanced rippers
[04:45] <r0xz> i can't deside anymore :s
[04:46] <CaBlGuY> yep..  I liked it so, I kept it over the years..
[04:46] <CaBlGuY> :)
[04:46] <OpenSorce> word: kk......in the past I have had issues with aRtsd running and hogging up the sound card.......not saying that's it.....but it _could_ be
[04:46] <word> wouldn't that prevent amarok from playing?
[04:47] <eimajenthat> hi, I'm trying to install nvidia-settings w/ adept, but when I select it, it selects nvidia-glx for removal
[04:47] <Spaceraver> hmm... this (k)ubuntu thing is starting to grow on me i think.. im running xoblite on an xp machine too...
[04:47] <OpenSorce> word: well not if Amarok uses arts too
[04:47] <word> i have it set to use alsa
[04:47] <CaBlGuY> word,  yes, amrok is kinda finicy..
[04:47] <eimajenthat> !xoblite
[04:47] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, eimajenthat
[04:47] <CaBlGuY> *finiky
[04:47] <azayaka> how can i get the DVD's i bought which are retail with CSS to play back?
[04:48] <eimajenthat> apt-get install libdvdcss
[04:48] <Hobbsee> er, what's the problem with amarok?
[04:48] <Hobbsee> !dvd
[04:48] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu. You may need libdvdcss2, which is available via http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages (section extras)
[04:48] <Hobbsee> !restricted
[04:48] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed there can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[04:48] <OpenSorce> word: ok (CaBlGuY: Finicky) hmmm.....
[04:48] <CaBlGuY> hehe
[04:48] <word> OpenSorce: :( I went to the mplayer channel but they prefer to ignore problems they can't solve off the top of their head lol..
[04:49] <CaBlGuY> word,  U have beep installed??
[04:49] <OpenSorce> word: you might might might.....try running mplayer as root ("sudo mplayer") just to see if it is a permissions thing or not
[04:51] <OpenSorce> word: you'll find that is a fairly common attitude among those in the know.......this channel is an absolute exception to that rule
[04:52] <Jack_Sparrow> Mepis is also very helpfull for generic kde or debian issues
[04:52] <OpenSorce> word: sometimes they just want to feel superior rather than help you......have not run into that issue here at all though
[04:52] <word> :D No...beep i don't have installed...and sudo privs with that doesn't work
[04:53] <OpenSorce> word: I would probably try uninstalling and reinstalling mplayer with adept (if that is how you installed it) I know it seems a very "windowsesque" approach but sometimes it works
[04:54] <CaBlGuY> word,  well if you like, beep is basicaly a "generic" winamp for Linux.  it's very easy to use an such..  and works most of the time..
[04:54] <CaBlGuY> it shuld be in the devs..
[04:54] <word> I'm using mplayer for streaming video in web browsers :-/
[04:56] <CaBlGuY> Howdy snupples   o/
[04:58] <word> new error - http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/742247
[04:59] <CaBlGuY> word,  that looks like maybe a driver problem..
[04:59] <word> Meh. :(
[04:59] <word> how to fix?
[04:59] <Hobbsee> word: got alsa-utils installed?
[04:59] <CaBlGuY> have to find the driver specifcally for your card..
[04:59] <CaBlGuY> on devs
[04:59] <sheldon> test
[05:00] <CaBlGuY> Hey Hobbsee  o/
[05:00] <CaBlGuY> :)
[05:00] <word> Hobbsee: Yes.
[05:00] <Hobbsee> hi
[05:00] <CaBlGuY> word,  she will know..  /me points to Hobbsee
[05:00] <CaBlGuY> :P
[05:00] <CaBlGuY> Hows that Dapper lookin Hobbsee ..  :)
[05:01] <Hobbsee> word: hmmm...crimsun would know, but he's not here
[05:01] <Hobbsee> crimsun is the expert on sound
[05:01] <word> Maybe he could be some kind of sound super hero and if you chant crimsum 3 times he'll hear his name and get on IRC O.O
[05:02] <CaBlGuY> LOL  @ word...  Or not..
[05:02] <CaBlGuY> :P
[05:02] <CaBlGuY> it's saturday...
[05:02] <word> I can dream can't I? :P
[05:02] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:02] <CaBlGuY> yes word, u can dream...
[05:02] <Hobbsee> yeah, it is saturday...he's here, but idling...not in this channel for some reason
[05:02] <CaBlGuY> :)
[05:03] <word> VIA8237 so google linux drivers for that card?
[05:03] <CaBlGuY> so, Hobbsee  dapper...   huh huh huh....
[05:03] <Hobbsee> he's at work, it seems
[05:03] <Hobbsee> CaBlGuY: yes, dapper.  what about it?
[05:03] <CaBlGuY> hows it comin silly
[05:03] <Hobbsee> oh
[05:03] <Hobbsee> seems good to me :)
[05:03] <CaBlGuY> commin even
[05:03] <CaBlGuY> have u tested it yet?
[05:04] <Hobbsee> dapper?
[05:04] <CaBlGuY> yep..
[05:04] <Hobbsee> of course
[05:04] <Hobbsee> i've been running it since flight 1
[05:04] <CaBlGuY> wlel cmon woman..  out with it..
[05:04] <Hobbsee> it's been my sole OS - well, apart from XP, since about jan this year
[05:04] <CaBlGuY> tell us..
[05:04] <Hobbsee> what do you want to know?
[05:04] <CaBlGuY> everything..   of corse..
[05:04] <nick__> Hobbsee do you have XGL/compiz?
[05:04] <Hobbsee> nick__: no
[05:04] <azayaka> oooh i found those free codecs pages from google..
[05:04] <Hobbsee> !xgl
[05:04] <ubotu> xgl is, like, "XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper.  Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:05] <Hobbsee> !flight6
[05:05] <ubotu> Hobbsee: What? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:05] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[05:05] <CaBlGuY> Hobbsee,  oh sure..   just pass it off to the web page..  I c how it is.. :/
[05:05] <azayaka> says something weak like configure error compiler cannot create executables
[05:05] <nick__> you need gcc
[05:06] <Hobbsee> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/dapperrc
[05:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:06] <CaBlGuY> lol
[05:06] <Hobbsee> !tell azayaka about b-e
[05:06] <CaBlGuY> yur mean.. ya meany.....
[05:06] <CaBlGuY> :p
[05:14] <RadiantFire> so, I've noticed something
[05:14] <RadiantFire> the kubuntu version of kcontrol for samba doesn't have the option to change workgroup
[05:14] <Massacration> good night
[05:14] <RadiantFire> does anyone know where that option is hiding?
[05:14] <Massacration> everyone
[05:14] <Massacration> could any body help me?
[05:14] <Massacration> i've jsut downloaded
[05:14] <Massacration> the whole dapper
[05:15] <Massacration> but it just won't install
[05:15] <Massacration> which apt command should i use?
[05:15] <RadiantFire> what do you mean, it just won't install
[05:15] <RadiantFire> are you running breezy?
[05:15] <Massacration> yes
[05:16] <RadiantFire> i thinke there are upgrade instructions somewhere, but if you've downloaded a CD y ou could just do a clean install
[05:16] <Massacration> it appears 122 packages not updated
[05:16] <Massacration> no i've just changed the repositories to dapper
[05:16] <Massacration> in the apt
[05:17] <Massacration> adept
[05:17] <RadiantFire> did the update process crash with some error?
[05:17] <Massacration> no
[05:17] <Massacration> it didnt
[05:18] <RadiantFire> well, there is the possibility that some packages are the same version in dapper as breezy I guess
[05:18] <RadiantFire> if it finished completely, your probably ok
[05:18] <RadiantFire> I'd assume programs like bzip2 don't change very much aymore
[05:18] <crimsun> Hobbsee: pong(unlikely)
[05:19] <Massacration> thanls anyway
[05:19] <gil> can someone help me with ACPI suspend mode
[05:19] <gil> on a toshiba laptop
[05:20] <word> hmm...how do you configure alsa?
[05:21] <crimsun> word: should be done automatically for you unless you have an isa sound card
[05:21] <gil> i cant get my laptop out of suspend mode...can someone help me
[05:22] <Massacration> I like ISA sound cards
[05:22] <Massacration> I have one
[05:22] <Massacration> sound blaster pro
[05:22] <Massacration> it orcks
[05:22] <word> ah! crimsun the sound guru
[05:22] <word> I knew chanting your name would help!
[05:22] <Massacration> it has 15 years old
[05:22] <word> crimsun: I'm getting this error - http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/742247
[05:24] <word> crimsun: It's when i try to run mplayer i get sound in other things just not mplayer
[05:26] <Hobbsee> hey crimsun :)
[05:26] <crimsun> hi Hobbsee
[05:27] <Hobbsee> you found word then?  good :)
[05:27] <crimsun> word: sec
[05:27] <word> :D
[05:28] <crimsun> word: pastebin ``lspci -v && cat /proc/asound/cards && amixer''
[05:29] <crimsun> (need the url)
[05:38] <RadiantFire> weee, the new update fixed kaffeines attempts to play system:/media/hdc when a DVD is put in :-)
[05:38] <RadiantFire> this is so sweet
[05:41] <crimsun> word: any progress?
[05:42] <word> crimsun: sorry relatives are over and i keep getting dragged out to talk
[05:42] <CaBlGuY-Sleep> night all..
[05:43] <crimsun> word: np, take your time, I'm here for another three hours orso
[05:44] <word> crimsun: Here- http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/742285
[05:45] <Bilford> I might just switch to Konqueror as default web browser
[05:46] <crimsun> word: are you using breezy or dapper rc?
[05:46] <stevekl> Guys, my VLC is all slow and very unresponsive to things like changing the volume and fast forwarding...does anyone have any idea what the problem may be? The video plays fine, but changing something like the volume is hideously laggy (this is kubuntu dapper)
[05:46] <word> Dapper rc.
[05:46] <crimsun> word: ok, and I presume you want your onboard sound chipset to be the default one?
[05:46] <azayaka> uhh it looks like i cant install XGL unless i run dapper?
[05:46] <word> crimsun: Yup.
[05:47] <word> crimsun: Is it not atm?
[05:47] <OpenSorce> stevekl: are you playing a dvd?
[05:47] <crimsun> word: ok, open a Konsole, and type: asoundconf set-default-card V8237
[05:47] <OpenSorce> stevekl: if so, do you have dma turned on?
[05:47] <azayaka> i just installed 5.10 is it possible to upgrade to something so i can play with XGL?
[05:47] <stevekl> OpenSorce: It happens with DVDs, avis, whatever
[05:48] <OpenSorce> stevekl: oh.....hmm....no clue, sorry
[05:48] <azayaka> least u guys have DVD's playing..
[05:48] <word> crimsun: Thanks! :D that did the trick.
[05:48] <azayaka> mine spits out strange errors all the time
[05:48] <stevekl> DMA is on
[05:48] <crimsun> word: np
[05:49] <stevekl> I have another machine with kubuntu dapper and VLC works fine
[05:49] <stevekl> It's frustrating because I don't know where to begin my diagnosis
[05:51] <crimsun> stevekl: only in vlc or in any media app?
[05:51] <Bilford> add  KDE_NO_IPV6=true   to   /etc/environment   to remove the Konqueror page load delay
[05:51] <Bilford> Im surprised no one in here knows that
[05:51] <Bilford> it's a very very common problem
[05:51] <stevekl> crimsun: just vlc
[05:52] <crimsun> can you capture the output from vlc -vv while it's sluggish?
[05:52] <load> where can I find the configure options that were used to build the original package from source?
[05:53] <crimsun> load: apt-get source foo, look in $(pwd)/foo-version/debian/rules
[05:53] <load> ahhh, ok, thank you very much
[05:54] <stevekl> hold on, I think I may have solved my problem...deleted ~/.vlc/ and relaunched it, and it appears to work now
[05:54] <OpenSorce> wow.....nobody awake in #cedega
[05:55] <Bilford> I think I'll do another fresh install of Kubuntu, but this time try to use all default settings
[05:55] <Bilford> I always mess things up
[05:55] <RadiantFire> awww, defaults are no fun
[05:57] <Bilford> lol
[05:58] <Bilford> when I started using K/Ubuntu, I started using lots of Wine
[05:58] <Bilford> then I started looking for apps similar to my old Windows programs
[05:58] <Bilford> but the more I used default Kubuntu apps, the more I liked them
[05:59] <RadiantFire> Bilford: everyone goes through that process
[05:59] <Bilford> whats the next step?
[05:59] <MasterEvilAce> OpenSorce: WHY CEDEGA, WHY??
[06:00] <RadiantFire> accepting most things, and tinkering with a few little things that bother you
[06:00] <Hobbsee> OpenSorce: do tell when cedega runs sims 2, wont you?
[06:00] <RadiantFire> about the only non-KDE app I use regularly is limewire
[06:00] <Bilford> if I use p2p, I'd use KMule
[06:00] <Bilford> or is it aMule
[06:01] <Bilford> the ed2k network is a lot larger than the Limewire network
[06:02] <Bilford> but I'd rather download from Usenet
[06:03] <RadiantFire> mmm, kmule?
[06:03] <RadiantFire> interesting
[06:04] <Bilford> aMule
[06:07] <Bilford> theres xMule too
[06:07] <nixternal> why do i have to be a xMule?
[06:07] <nixternal> oh...sorry..thought you called me an xMule ;)
[06:08] <nnn0> emulEtorZ 5K GT Rabbit v1000 theta FnordCon Edition
[06:08] <word> Hmm..how do you add applications to katapult?
[06:08] <Bilford> you are a donlock
[06:12] <word> donlock?
[06:14] <Bilford> he said he was an xMule
[06:16] <word> Ok..lol..
[06:26] <word> how do you add an application to Katapult?
[06:28] <RadiantFire> word, you just start typing
[06:28] <RadiantFire> it can access anything in your menu
[06:28] <word> oh lol...wasn't working before >< hehe...
[06:28] <Hobbsee> word: in a konsole - killall katapult && katapult
[06:28] <Hobbsee> it can refresh the lists that way
[06:29] <word> yah i restarted since i tried it last so it did that for me.
[06:39] <GullyFoyle> jeez i'm gettin kinda tired of people thinking i'm some sorta weirdo cuz my primary desktop runs linux. how long can this go on? i've only been doing it for 6 years.
[06:39] <MasterEvilAce> YOU USE LINUX LOL
[06:39] <jsgotangco> GullyFoyle: ive been doing it for almost 10
[06:39] <GullyFoyle> right
[06:39] <GullyFoyle> people think it's a fad or something. they don't get it
[06:40] <jsgotangco> do whatever works for you
[06:40] <Bilford> theyre ignorant
[06:40] <jsgotangco> no, not really
[06:40] <Bilford> they probably think AOL is the internet
[06:40] <jsgotangco> more of uneducated
[06:41] <word> they probably think macs are the future..
[06:41] <Bilford> they probably think Windows is the future
[06:41] <Bilford> Kubuntu is the future
[06:41] <jsgotangco> no
[06:42] <jsgotangco> the future is now for linux :)
[06:42] <word> Heh, you don't have to be a 'geek' to use linux you have to be a 'geek ' to know how much better it is :P
[06:42] <Bilford> only for informed people
[06:42] <GullyFoyle> i sit here, surf, email, play ut2004, chat, customize my box, watch videos, this is a fad?
[06:42] <jsgotangco> it'll be much better when dapper comes out
[06:43] <Bilford> theres many things you dont do though
[06:43] <GullyFoyle> like what?
[06:43] <Bilford> search for your serial number
[06:43] <Bilford> scan for viruses
[06:43] <Bilford> etc
[06:43] <GullyFoyle> get rid of spyware?
[06:43] <Bilford> yeah
[06:43] <jsgotangco> that's one thing i dont miss
[06:43] <Hobbsee> Bilford: you forgot about defragging.
[06:44] <Bilford> lol
[06:44] <load> if I'm going to recompile a deb package, should I use the same compiler version that was used to originally compile?
[06:44] <jsgotangco> hey Hobbsee :)
[06:44] <Hobbsee> hi jsgotangco
[06:44] <load> may be a stupid question, but I'm not 100% sure of the answer
[06:45] <load> I would imagine that for kernel modules and what not then you should but other software doesn't matter does it?
[06:45] <Hobbsee> load: er...i would have thoght you used whatever was on yoru system
[06:46] <jsgotangco> it would also depend on your target system
[06:46] <load> hobbsee: I didn't compile the original package, the package maintainer did
[06:46] <Hobbsee> load: so, er, why are you wanting to recompile the deb?
[06:46] <load> this would be for use only on my machine
[06:46] <Hobbsee> dont you want to compile the source code?
[06:47] <load> ok, rather "rebuild" the deb package, from deb-src
[06:47] <crimsun> why do you want to rebuild it?
[06:47] <load> well, better optimization for one thing
[06:47] <crimsun> the answer is generally "yes" you do want to use the same compiler version
[06:48] <crimsun> better optimisation is largely a red herring
[06:48] <crimsun> it is extremely important in the case of C++ libraries and apps
[06:48] <load> my original reason is because sometimes it takes a while to get the official package patched with a bug fix
[06:48] <crimsun> don't mix and match C++ libraries and apps compiled with different compiler versions. Some of the changes are extremely sensitive.
[06:49] <load> crimsun, yes, that part I assumed
[06:49] <crimsun> we go through a lot of trouble to transition said libraries and apps across different compilers just so you don't have to worry about them
[06:51] <load> well, I'd like to get comfortable building packages so that I may at some time be able to offer assistance to the (k)ubuntu project
[06:52] <load> really all I want to do right now is recompile kopete with the upstream patch and see if it fixes the settings/configure crash issue
[06:52] <Hobbsee> load: grab source, apply upstream patch, debuild
[06:52] <load> but with an app like that I wouldn't think that the compiler version would matter much
[06:52] <crimsun> of course it matters
[06:53] <Hobbsee> load: do you have a link to this upstream patch, btw?
[06:53] <load> yeah, hang on
[06:53] <crimsun> it's a KDE app, which means it's a C++ app, so what was said prior applies
[06:55] <nixternal> how come my kasablanc doesn't show up in katapult?
[06:55] <load> I see
[06:55] <load> I'm digging through my history for that patch, give me a minute
[06:56] <Hobbsee> load: cool, thanks :)
[06:56] <Hobbsee> load: you're on dapper, arent you?
[06:58] <load>  http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120117
[06:58] <load> hobbsee: no
[06:59] <load> patch is attached at the bottom
[06:59] <load> I have no idea if it will work as I have yet to rebuild it
[07:00] <jonathan_> Hey, when I log off kubuntu the gui goes away. What causes this?
[07:00] <load> jonathan_: you mean X goes away and you're back at a shell?
[07:00] <jonathan_> yes
[07:01] <Hobbsee> load: if you could check that, it'd be great
[07:01] <load> I would guess you're using the stock kde login manager? kdm
[07:01] <jonathan_> yeah
[07:01] <load> hobbsee: yeah, if I can get it rebuilt ok I'll let you know what happens
[07:02] <Hobbsee> load: for some reason, i cant reproduce that - but i've seen plenty of bug reports on it...
[07:02] <jonathan_> Its dapper if that helps any.
[07:02] <load> Hobbsee: what video drivers are you using?
[07:03] <Hobbsee> load: not sure, it's an intel integrated card
[07:03] <load> ok, never mind
[07:04] <jonathan_> any ideas on the shell thing?
[07:05] <load> crimsun: are there any ubuntu specific docs on (re)building packages?
[07:05] <crimsun> load: no, but there's a packaging guide
[07:06] <load> jonathan_: check /var/log/Xorg.log or Xorg.0.log and see what it has to say
[07:07] <load> you can also run sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart   and see what happens
[07:10] <load> Hobbsee: yeah, I dunno whats up with launchpad, I was just on it a few minutes ago and now it won't load
[07:10] <Hobbsee> load: ah, it's back :)
[07:11] <crimsun> it's probably a bad sign that my productivity is tied to lp.net being reachable
[07:11] <Hobbsee> crimsun: hehe.  well, if you're bug killing, that is where the bugs are..
[07:12] <glick> wish someone would kill the bug thats preventing my firewire drive from working :P
[07:13] <load> Hobbsee: to answer your question, I don't think so.  I read someone using the new dapper liveCD and it still crashes
[07:14] <Hobbsee> load: the patch isnt applied yet :P
[07:14] <Hobbsee> sure wish you'd come in a few days ago and said that though.
[07:15] <load> ahh, ok
[07:15] <load> Hobbsee: why's that?
[07:15] <Hobbsee> load: well, the closer we get to release, the harder it is to get patches in.  besides that, by now this patch couldnt make it onto the latest cd
[07:15] <nixternal> Hobbsee: which patch are you referring to?
[07:16] <nixternal> im running dapper rc and kopete 12.1
[07:16] <nixternal> .12 beta 1
[07:16] <Hobbsee> nixternal: see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/37657
[07:16] <nixternal> roger that
[07:16] <Hobbsee> ah, this is kopete 0.11
[07:16] <glick> Hobbsee, are you a developer?
[07:16] <Hobbsee> glick: i'm told that i am - but i cant code terribly much yet.
[07:16] <nixternal> thats a breezy bug
[07:17] <load> I think I read that the patch has been applied to the CVS
[07:17] <Hobbsee> nixternal: so it's not applying to dapper at all now?  seems that people in that bug report say otherwise.
[07:17] <glick> Hobbsee, have you guys been getting alot of complaints or are you aware of alot of people having problem with external firewire harddrives?
[07:17] <load> what version does dapper use?
[07:17] <glick> hehe complaints = bug reports
[07:18] <Hobbsee> glick: check malone - i dont work with firewire hard drives...
[07:18] <Hobbsee> load: kopete 0.11
[07:18] <glick> Hobbsee, whos maline>
[07:18] <nixternal> Hobbsee: i just upgraded from .11 just because...i having been using .11 for 2 months now..no problems what so ever
[07:18] <glick> whos malone?
[07:18] <Hobbsee> 0.11.1, to be exact
[07:18] <load> then yeah, it'll affect dapper
[07:18] <Hobbsee> glick: launchpad.net
[07:18] <Hobbsee> !bug
[07:18] <ubotu> bugs are reported to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[07:18] <nixternal> whatever is int he repositories..i was using
[07:18] <nixternal> i know it is .11 for sure
[07:18] <glick> i had the same problem when breezy first came out
[07:19] <nixternal> i grabbed the .deb .12 beta 1 yesterday and upgraded...
[07:19] <glick> and the same problem when hoary first came out
[07:19] <glick> which means in the future i best wait a few months before upgrading to the latest release
[07:20] <nixternal> hmmm...my only problem with kopete was the documented yahoo connection issue..which i fixed by porting my .11.1 .la and .so files for the yahoo plugin over to 12.1 to make it work
[07:21] <nixternal> who in here can make a good hackergotchie? cuz i sook at it
[07:21] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i'd imagine that 0.12 will be in edgy pretty soon  :)
[07:21] <nixternal> i can't believe there isn't a .12 beta 2 one...
[07:21] <nixternal> let alone .12 beta 1
[07:22] <nixternal> i so got to get back into coding
[07:22] <Hobbsee> what, in dapper?
[07:22] <load> nixternal: you're using the Debian package, not the Ubuntu?
[07:22] <nixternal> yes the debian package
[07:22] <nixternal> or was there a dapper package?
[07:23] <nixternal> im sorry..it is the ubuntu dapper release
[07:23] <load> nixternal: I was just wondering if you mix in Debian packages often and how it works out for you.
[07:23] <glick> i dont understand how my drive worked perfectly on the rc1 liveCD but when i clicked intall, it ceased working
[07:23] <load> oh ok
[07:23] <nixternal> load: i do it quite a bit and have very rarely ran into a problem
[07:23] <glick> what kernel version is on the rc 1 cd?
[07:24] <nixternal> 2.6.15-23
[07:24] <Hobbsee> nixternal: .12 never made it into dapper, and wont
[07:24] <nixternal> truthfully...i don't see any differences
[07:24] <glick> nixternal, hmm thats hella strange
[07:24] <nixternal> and i heard that there is a new kopete in the works anyways
[07:25] <load> nixternal: what do you mean by "new"
[07:25] <nixternal> glick: whats strange?
[07:25] <glick> nixternal, that my firewire drive is detected and automounted fine when im running of the liveCD
[07:25] <nixternal> someone told me to wait on getting into themeing on kopete for an entirely new version...just yesterday
[07:26] <ridius> Anybody in here pretty good with KDE?
[07:26] <ridius> I've got a wierd resolution problem I can't fix.
[07:26] <Hobbsee> ridius: define "weird resolution problem"
[07:26] <nixternal> Hobbsee: ya, that is about it..same here though
[07:26] <nixternal> although i gotta say, every theme for kopete so far stinks
[07:26] <ridius> My graphics card in my laptop can run at 1400x1050
[07:26] <Hobbsee> i rather like efficient :)
[07:27] <load> I've never used kopete, I didn't like it when it came out, but gaim is pissing me off, so I figured I'd try it out
[07:27] <nixternal> that is what i use
[07:27] <nixternal> i like it too...
[07:27] <nixternal> to an extent
[07:27] <ridius> I used 855resolution to modify the BIOs to support that resolution and X recognizes it
[07:27] <ridius> The problem is that KDE still looks like it's running at a lower resolution
[07:27] <ridius> For example, my K/Start menu takes up half the screen when I open it
[07:27] <nixternal> back in the day... i used to run a setup called ..::minima::..  <-- just like that...it was great...i have always tried to get back to it, but havn't been able to
[07:28] <nixternal> me new favorite program has got to be yakuake though
[07:28] <ridius> Any idea's?
[07:28] <nixternal> i can't get enough of it..i love terminal..and just hittin' f12 to bring it down, do what i gotta do, adn f12 it back up is awesome
[07:28] <nixternal> ridius: what is your issue...sorry didn't see you sneak in..i was in the zone
[07:29] <ridius> :D
[07:29] <ridius> I got my video card to support 1400x1050 (through 855resolution), X automatically detected that resolution, but KDE still looks like 1024x768
[07:29] <ridius> When I open the K/Start menu, it takes up half the screen (vertically, not horizontally)
[07:29] <nixternal> hmmm
[07:30] <nixternal> you got the correct monitor selected?
[07:30] <ridius> I only have one... the LCD attached to my laptop
[07:30] <nixternal> it has 1400x1050 available?
[07:30] <nixternal> and it just wont' run it?
[07:30] <ridius> Yep, and 1280x1024
[07:31] <ridius> Well, KDE says it's running it, but it looks like 1024x768
[07:31] <ridius> Almost like it's zoomed in or something
[07:31] <load> nixternal: When I started using Linux I didin'tt X
[07:31] <load> oops
[07:31] <nixternal> me either load
[07:31] <nixternal> lol
[07:31] <glick> damn that makes no sense
[07:31] <pervez> i am trying to install sun-java5-jdk, but i get the following error : sun-dlj-v1-1 license could not be presented
[07:31] <nixternal> ridius: have you taken a look at your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to see what it has for resolution?
[07:31] <ridius> Yep, but I'll double check again
[07:31] <pervez> and it stops with sun-dlj-v1-1 license could not be presented
[07:32] <load> I used naim for the longest time even after I started using KDE
[07:32] <pervez> whta's the problem
[07:32] <nixternal> what laptop is it ridius?
[07:32] <load> damn bluetooth keyboard is pissing me off
[07:32] <ridius> Dell Lattitude D610
[07:32] <ridius> I only have 1 screen section
[07:32] <ridius> And all the color depths have 1400x1050 listed as the only resolution
[07:33] <pervez> now i cant install any software because apt-get asks me to first use apt-get -f install and that command gives me the error which i just mentioned
[07:33] <ridius> Should I try a different default color depth?
[07:33] <pervez> anybody knows about this issue?
[07:33] <Hobbsee> pervez: try sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jdk
[07:33] <Hobbsee> does it give a different error message?
[07:33] <nixternal> ridius: here you go > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/i915Driver
[07:34] <nixternal> that is how you get your resolution fixed
[07:34] <nixternal> same laptop as yours
[07:34] <nixternal> i know it says breezy up top...but the tester stated he used that work around for dapper
[07:34] <ridius> That's cool, I'm using Breezy anyway
[07:35] <nixternal> there you go
[07:35] <pervez> i am using sudo
[07:35] <ridius> Well, if you don't here from me again, it's because it worked!
[07:35] <ridius> Thanks guys!
[07:35] <nixternal> by the way...i hate you cuz your resolution is so high on your laptop ;)
[07:35] <ridius> :D
[07:35] <nixternal> hehe
[07:35] <nixternal> come back ridius
[07:35] <nixternal> you are always welcome
[07:35] <ridius> If it makes you feel better, it's not my Laptop... work assigned
[07:35] <MasterEvilAce> <-- 1600x1200 for teh win
[07:35] <ridius> But IT let me dual boot
[07:35] <nixternal> a little better..but still
[07:35] <MasterEvilAce> Dell inspiron
[07:35] <nixternal> hehe
[07:36] <nixternal> i seen the most beautiful laptop display tonight at compusa...on a new toshiba...it is the bomb
[07:37] <glick> hmm
[07:37] <glick> i guess it must have updated to a version of hal that is broken
[07:38] <pervez> if i use sudo apt-get install dun-java5-jdk errors are:
[07:38] <pervez> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[07:38] <pervez> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:38] <pervez>   sun-java5-demo: Depends: sun-java5-jre (= 1.5.0-06-1) but it is not going to be installed
[07:38] <pervez>   sun-java5-jdk: Depends: sun-java5-jre (= 1.5.0-06-1) but it is not going to be installed
[07:38] <pervez> E: Unmet dependencies.  Yum.
[07:48] <|klavier|> Hallo.
[07:51] <EvilIdler> pervez: Any luck getting it installed?
[07:52] <ridius> Ok, I'm back. Still didn't work
[07:53] <ridius> I even went in to check Peripherals -> Display: it says 1400x1050
[07:53] <ridius> But icons and windows are HUGE!
[07:53] <ridius> Let me see if I can get a screenshot
[07:55] <pervez> i actually had to use dpk-reconfigure debconf
[07:55] <pervez> and choose low
[07:55] <ridius> So I grab a screenshot, and it says 1400x1050
[07:55] <pervez> so that liscence could be displayed
[07:55] <ridius> KDS just doesn't look it
[07:56] <MasterEvilAce> hm
[07:56] <MasterEvilAce> ridius did you mess with any theme settings or anything?
[07:56] <ridius> I mean, my Konversation window take up almost my whole screen and I only have 22 lines of chat!
[07:56] <ridius> I tried using different themes, same result
[07:56] <ridius> I reset them back to default
[07:56] <MasterEvilAce> wait hmm
[07:57] <MasterEvilAce> i remember having a weird thing back in the not kubuntu days
[07:57] <MasterEvilAce> i had two settings to mess with
[07:57] <MasterEvilAce> one was the resolution of the monitor.. and the other was the resolution of the desktop or something
[07:57] <ridius> Ohhhh, where do I find the desktop resolution?!?!?!?
[07:58] <MasterEvilAce> atleast i think that's how it was.. i jsut remember having some weirdness and mass confusion because of that
[08:00] <EvilIdler> Virtual resolution, perhaps?
[08:00] <ridius> Cool, where do I find that setting>
[08:00] <ridius> * setting?
[08:02] <MasterEvilAce> i'm so confused right now because maybe it was SUSE, or Fedora.. but i had something like two control panels.. Kcontrol, and some other one. and one had a setting to tell my monitor what resolution it runs at (1600x1200 is native) and what my desktop res should run at or something (i tried 1280x1024, before going to 1600x1200) i just had weird problems with all of that
[08:02] <MasterEvilAce> The only similar things i see in kubuntu, is in the display tab there's size & orientation, and then under hardware you set the monitor size
[08:02] <MasterEvilAce> or something ?
[08:03] <ridius> I went to Peripherals -> Display and it's set to 1400x1040
[08:03] <ridius> Any other idea's?
[08:03] <ridius> * ideas?
[08:03] <MasterEvilAce> under the hardware tab, what is monitor 1 set as?
[08:04] <ridius> What hardware tab?
[08:04] <MasterEvilAce> do you use kubuntu or gnome
[08:04] <MasterEvilAce>  ieman
[08:04] <ridius> In Kcontrol?
[08:04] <MasterEvilAce> kde or gnome / kubuntu or ubuntu whatever
[08:05] <ridius> Let's backstep 1. What program do you want me to run?
[08:05] <MasterEvilAce> in kcontrol -> display, i see the same thing as if i went to system settings -> display
[08:06] <ridius> Ok
[08:06] <MasterEvilAce> i have a hardware tab , power saving, color & gamma and size,orientation tabs
[08:06] <ridius> So I have "Settings for screen:"
[08:06] <ridius> Screen1 is the only thing available
[08:06] <ridius> Screen size: 1400x1050
[08:06] <ridius> Refresh rate 60Hz
[08:06] <MasterEvilAce> under size, orientation?
[08:07] <ridius> Orientation is normal (everything else is greyed out)
[08:07] <MasterEvilAce> you don't see any tabs at the top of that though?
[08:10] <ridius> For those that want to see my crazy issue, check out this image: http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hugedesk4ug.png
[08:11] <EvilIdler> That's a large font.
[08:11] <ridius> That's a large EVERYTHING for 1400x1050
[08:11] <EvilIdler> I can barely read my 1600x1200 desktop with default settings :)
[08:12] <ridius> I can't figure out how to fix this.
[08:12] <MasterEvilAce> holy cow
[08:12] <MasterEvilAce> the drop down button is like 4x the size of the close button
[08:13] <ridius> Anybody have any idea's?
[08:13] <ridius> *ideas
[08:13] <EvilIdler> That desktop is disproportionate like a Disney character :/
[08:14] <MasterEvilAce`LT> http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9608/snapshot43uz.png
[08:14] <MasterEvilAce> can you find any setting like that anywhere ?
[08:14] <_nano_> did you adjust the font settings?
[08:15] <MasterEvilAce> or if you can look at your xorg.conf because that's where that stuff gets saved
[08:15] <MasterEvilAce> maybe it IS just your font setting actually
[08:16] <EvilIdler> Are all types of fonts actually installed?
[08:16] <EvilIdler> Both 75 and 100dpi, that is
[08:16] <ridius> Oh yeah. I did the default "install everything" install
[08:17] <EvilIdler> I've had occasional failed upgrades ending in packages saying they were installed, but not a single file being anywhere.
[08:17] <ridius> 75dpi and 100dpi are installed
[08:17] <ridius> I can reinstall them
[08:17] <_nano_> MasterEvilAce: Go to systemsettings-->appearance -->fonts
[08:17] <MasterEvilAce> ok, i'm there
[08:17] <ridius> MasterEvilAce: sorry, can't find a tab like that
[08:17] <MasterEvilAce> everything is set to size 9
[08:17] <_nano_> type of font? dejavu?
[08:18] <MasterEvilAce> yup (i'm not the one with the prob though)
[08:18] <_nano_> oh
[08:18] <_nano_> oops :P
[08:18] <MasterEvilAce> lol
[08:18] <ridius> Just changed all fonts to size 9
[08:18] <ridius> Fonts went down, window size the same
[08:18] <ridius> Well I got to go to bed
[08:18] <MasterEvilAce> hm
[08:18] <ridius> I'll try again tomorrow
[08:18] <MasterEvilAce> ok
[08:18] <_nano_> k
[08:18] <ridius> Thanks guys
[08:18] <_nano_> best of luck
[08:19] <_nano_> MasterEvilAce: lol I'm sorry :)
[08:19] <MasterEvilAce> lol it's okay
[08:30] <word> Hey uh...the how to configure logitech mice ( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=65471&highlight=configuring+logitech+mice ) worked when i had breezy but now with dapper it doesn't. :-/ Is there any reason for that?
[08:34] <rosemary> evening all - can anyone please tell me the command for installing programmes using cli
[08:35] <Hobbsee> rosemary: sudo apt-get install programname
[08:36] <rosemary> Hobbsee: thanks I had the words in wrong order :-) no wonder it wouldn't work
[08:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:41] <snalluru> !factoid
[08:41] <ubotu> A list of all my factoids can be found at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au
[08:49] <rosemary> does kubuntu have thunderbird 1.5
[08:49] <nixternal> i will check
[08:49] <nixternal> i don't have it installed
[08:49] <crimsun> dapper has <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:49] <nixternal> yup
[08:50] <nixternal> sure does ;)
[08:50] <rosemary> is dapper unstable?
[08:50] <hastesaver> !info mozilla-thunderbird dapper
[08:50] <nixternal> kmail all the way
[08:50] <ubotu> mozilla-thunderbird: (Mozilla Thunderbird standalone mail client), section mail, is optional. Version: <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu2 (dapper), Packaged size: 10024 kB, Installed size: 28600 kB
[08:50] <EvilIdler> 1.0.8 on Breezy
[08:50] <hastesaver> rosemary, no, it's very stable
[08:50] <rosemary> yes just installed 1.9.8 on breezy - how stable is dapper now?
[08:50] <EvilIdler> Speak for yourself - Dapper won't boot for me ;)
[08:50] <nixternal> firefox is slow enough...i don't need another mozilla product muckin' up my system
[08:51] <word> dappers fine for me I had to use the alternate install though
[08:51] <rosemary> okay might down;load dapper and give it a try then - only have very small hard drive on this PC 3.2G until can get new hard drive in - will that be enough for a trial install?
[08:51] <EvilIdler> My problem is the udev/kernel/update-initramfs bug
[08:51] <nixternal> i am just lucky i think...because i have yet to severly break it
[08:51] <nixternal> YET
[08:52] <word> Is there another tutorial to configure mice besides - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=65471 because that seems to not work with dapper
[08:52] <hastesaver> !mouse ?
[08:52] <ubotu> [mouse]  Enabling extra buttons  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ManyButtonsMouseHowto or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=65471&highlight=evdev Installing extra cursor themes can be done easily with gcursor
[08:53] <word> thanks
[08:56] <rosemary> okay off to download dapper - bye
[09:00] <NewToKubuntu> how do i do a fresh reinstall of KDE or change all the settings to default settings ? is there a command for it or a guide ?
[09:01] <uniq> newtokubuntu: you can delete the settings directory in your home directory. ~/.kde
[09:02] <NewToKubuntu> ohh okay :)  ill do that then
[09:02] <hastesaver> NewToKubuntu, have you changed any system-wide settings or only your own user's?
[09:02] <NewToKubuntu> thanks uniq
[09:02] <uniq> newtokubuntu: or move it, like 'mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-bak'
[09:02] <NewToKubuntu> i changed some boot settings
[09:02] <Hobbsee> probably safer to move it, in case you want to move it back
[09:02] <NewToKubuntu> hmm okay ill move it to desktop i guess
[09:02] <uniq> newtokubuntu: i'd suggest moving it first. to see if it does what you want, then deleting the moved directory when you've made sure it's what you want to do.
[09:03] <uniq> newtokubuntu: exactly.
[09:03] <NewToKubuntu> okay thanks guyz :D
[09:22] <NewToKubuntu> the default settings are back but my problem is still there... when i click on the konquere or any folder it give me the following error KDEInit could not launch kfmclient. Could not find kfmclient executable.
[09:22] <NewToKubuntu> even aafter the default are back it is still there
[09:32] <word> Is kdevelop a good development enviorment or is there something better?
[09:32] <uscg_corey> gosh, anyone else know why xchat doesnt show icon in my system panel?
[09:32] <riri> no much better on kde
[09:33] <riri> if you like "basic" you can have a look to "gambas"
[09:33] <riri> a real visual one
[09:33] <riri> gambas.sourceforge.net
[09:34] <riri> word : it depends too if you are for a text one or a visual one...
[09:34] <word> visual
[09:34] <uscg_corey> anyone know why xchat isnt showing any icons in panel?
[09:35] <nixternal> mine didn't show up either uscg_corey
[09:35] <nixternal> i had to manually add it
[09:35] <uscg_corey> ?
[09:35] <riri> hi nixt
[09:35] <uscg_corey> like, its there, but no icon is showing up
[09:35] <nixternal> but i know longer use xchat...i switched over to konversation
[09:35] <uscg_corey> i can hover over it and it shows xchat
[09:35] <riri> not yet in beb ? lol
[09:35] <uscg_corey> its just not showing an icon
[09:35] <nixternal> ya...you will run into a couple of those programs that are there..just not showing
[09:35] <riri> i use "kopete irc
[09:35] <word> I'll take a look at gambas. Thanks riri
[09:35] <nixternal> oh
[09:35] <nixternal> ok...hmmm
[09:36] <riri> my pleasure
[09:36] <nixternal> it lost it's icon link
[09:36] <nixternal> hey riri
[09:36] <uscg_corey> idk why, the icon path is right
[09:36] <riri> we are few to use scim or skim
[09:36] <nixternal> if you edit the menu...and select icon...you see the xchat icon in menu edit?
[09:36] <riri> and have problem with chinese pictogramms
[09:36] <riri> about displaying ?
[09:37] <riri> dapper doesn't display chinese well...
[09:37] <uscg_corey> nixternal, what do you mean edit the menu?
[09:38] <riri> but is it a problem of dapper or kde3.5.2
[09:38] <nixternal> right click the kde icon on the docker....and select edit menu
[09:38] <uscg_corey> its in the panel not a menu
[09:38] <nixternal> riri...have you used it in kde 3.5.2 prior to kubuntu?
[09:39] <uscg_corey> if i right click on the xchat location in panel and go to systray settings the icon path is valid..
[09:39] <nixternal> you know the kde k and gears you click to show the menu???  right click it
[09:39] <uscg_corey> but yes the xchat icon is showing in the menu
[09:39] <uscg_corey> but thats a different icon
[09:39] <nixternal> did you install an icon theme?
[09:40] <uscg_corey> no the SystrayPlugin came with all the icons
[09:40] <nixternal> ok
[09:40] <uscg_corey> and its pointed correctly in systray settings
[09:40] <uscg_corey> i dont get why its not working
[09:40] <nixternal> but it is showing a different icon...and not the Xchat one
[09:40] <uscg_corey> unless i have to restart xchat, which i dont think would fix it
[09:40] <uscg_corey> the panel isnt showing anything
[09:40] <uscg_corey> its just a blank space
[09:41] <nixternal> restarting xserver would be the only thing to change it..restarting xchat won't fix it
[09:41] <uscg_corey> and if i hover over blank space it says  xchat
[09:41] <nixternal> ahhh
[09:41] <nixternal> so when you added the app it just put a blank icon there
[09:41] <nixternal> now that is a new one...
[09:41] <uscg_corey> let me restart xchat
[09:41] <uscg_corey> it might need it to add the icon
[09:41] <uscg_corey> it might add icon at startup of xchat, idk
[09:41] <nixternal> xwindows manybe
[09:41] <uscg_corey> ill do both brb
[09:41] <nixternal> but still...k
[09:44] <uscg_corey> ugh
[09:44] <uscg_corey> still doing it
[09:44] <nixternal> remove and try to re-add it back
[09:44] <uscg_corey> their site is down
[09:44] <nixternal> all you did was right click the kicker...add application > internet > xchat correct?
[09:44] <uscg_corey> maybe ill try the xtray plugin
[09:45] <uscg_corey> no
[09:45] <uscg_corey> the plugin adds it to panel
[09:45] <nixternal> ahh...
[09:45] <nixternal> where can i get the systray plugin?
[09:45] <uscg_corey> well
[09:46] <uscg_corey> www.blight.tk is the site listed
[09:46] <uscg_corey> but its down...
[09:46] <uscg_corey> so idk how i got it
[09:46] <word> 'qt meta object compiler' is that libqt?
[09:47] <uscg_corey> egh xtray is windows only
[09:47] <uscg_corey> er wait maybe not
[09:48] <nixternal> see with konversation...you select in the config to have it in the systray...guess you can't do that with xchat...needs to be hacked
[09:48] <uscg_corey> well there is an option to show it in tray
[09:49] <word> checking for QT meta-object compiler - what is that?
[09:49] <word> what package*
[09:49] <nixternal> where you stationed?
[09:49] <uscg_corey> me?
[09:49] <nixternal> ya
[09:49] <uscg_corey> galveston island texas
[09:49] <nixternal> nice
[09:49] <nixternal> usn here
[09:49] <nixternal> im out now though
[09:49] <uscg_corey> i not in service though
[09:50] <uscg_corey> im citizen staffed
[09:50] <nixternal> cool
[09:50] <nixternal> coast guard = crazy
[09:50] <nixternal> them guys are nuts
[09:50] <nixternal> i got to do drug ops with them off of cuba
[09:50] <nixternal> fun stuff
[09:50] <uscg_corey> mhm
[09:50] <uscg_corey> man why wont this work >:{
[09:50] <nixternal> there approach is a little bit different
[09:51] <nixternal> im at http://www.patriziobassi.it/blight
[09:51] <nixternal> that is where i found it at
[09:52] <nixternal> http://www.patriziobassi.it/blight/index.php?s=87acae91e2ebc90c26bb79ca3ccf8997&act=Systray
[09:52] <nixternal> that might help
[09:52] <uscg_corey> it looks like itll be real nice when i can get it to work
[09:52] <uscg_corey> it has different icons for events
[09:53] <nixternal> ya i seen that
[09:53] <uscg_corey> oh shit
[09:53] <uscg_corey> i see one problem
[09:53] <nixternal> they got some other plugins too that look nice
[09:53] <nixternal> and the problem is?
[09:54] <uscg_corey> well apparently all 3 folders of icons belong to the plugin
[09:54] <uscg_corey> and i only copied 1
[09:54] <nixternal`zzz> ahhh
[09:54] <nixternal`zzz> is it working now?
[09:55] <uscg_corey> lemme look
[09:56] <nixternal`zzz> ..
[09:56] <uscg_corey> hrmm
[09:56] <uscg_corey> the menu now has the icons
[09:56] <uscg_corey> now
[09:57] <uscg_corey> didnt know it had icons :P
[09:57] <nixternal`zzz> lol
[09:57] <uscg_corey> maybe i have to restart X to get the tray to work
[09:57] <nixternal`zzz> or restart the plugin itself
[09:57] <uscg_corey> or maybe just xchat
[09:57] <uscg_corey> brb
[09:57] <word> checking for QT meta-object compiler - what package is that?
[09:58] <uscg_corey> woot!
[09:58] <nixternal`zzz> survey says
[09:58] <nixternal`zzz> hahaha good job man
[09:58] <uscg_corey> it works now
[09:58] <nixternal`zzz> now i can goto sleep and not worry if uscg_corey got his icons to work
[09:58] <uscg_corey> i dont know why the stupid plugin doesnt know the correct path to the icons
[09:58] <uscg_corey> this plugins pretty neat
[09:58] <nixternal`zzz> yell at the programmer for that one
[09:58] <uscg_corey> hey say my name in like 5 seconds, i wanna test something
[09:59] <nixternal`zzz> k
[09:59] <nixternal`zzz> uscg_corey: wo0t
[09:59] <nixternal`zzz> uscg_corey
[09:59] <uscg_corey> wtf!
[09:59] <nixternal`zzz> lol
[09:59] <nixternal`zzz> uh oh
[09:59] <uscg_corey> 5 seconds try again
[09:59] <nixternal`zzz> k
[09:59] <nixternal`zzz> uscg_corey
[10:00] <nixternal`zzz> what happened there?
[10:00] <word> he exited
[10:00] <nixternal`zzz> lol
[10:00] <word> i don't think that was part of his plan lol
[10:00] <nixternal`zzz> my eyes are half shut
[10:00] <nixternal`zzz> hahahaha
[10:00] <nixternal`zzz> me either
[10:00] <nixternal`zzz> wrong button
[10:00] <word> probably :P
[10:00] <nixternal`zzz> lol
[10:00] <nixternal`zzz> ya..that x means close
[10:00] <nixternal`zzz> ;D
[10:00] <uscg_corey> whoops
[10:00] <uscg_corey> apparently i cant click X
[10:00] <nixternal`zzz> hahahaha
[10:00] <uscg_corey> ok say my name in 5seconds
[10:00] <nixternal`zzz> we called it word
[10:00] <nixternal`zzz> uscg_corey
[10:01] <uscg_corey> hrm
[10:01] <uscg_corey> not working
[10:01] <nixternal`zzz> what is it supposed to do?
[10:01] <uscg_corey> i thought it was spose to change tray icon when my name was said
[10:01] <nixternal`zzz> when xchat is minimized?
[10:01] <word> nixternal`zzz: we should be detectives :P
[10:01] <nixternal`zzz> hahah right
[10:01] <nixternal`zzz> i said that the x means close
[10:02] <piotrek> macd, hi i'm back :)
[10:02] <uscg_corey> change the icon
[10:02] <word> checking for QT meta-object compiler - what package is that?
[10:02] <uscg_corey> it has an icon for when someone says your name
[10:02] <nixternal`zzz> !qt meta-object compiler
[10:02] <uscg_corey> say my name again in 5sec
[10:02] <ubotu> No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, nixternal`zzz
[10:02] <nixternal`zzz> lol
[10:02] <nixternal`zzz> uscg_corey
[10:02] <word> lol try
[10:02] <word> !moc
[10:02] <ubotu> Some people juggle geese.  Qt is to KDE what GTK is to GNOME. For the Qt includes, install the libqt3-mt-dev package
[10:03] <word> woot
[10:03] <nixternal`zzz> haha
[10:03] <nixternal`zzz> alrighty...it is off to bed for me...TOMORROW IS THE INDY 500
[10:03] <nixternal`zzz> w00t
[10:03] <nixternal`zzz> nite everyone
[10:04] <word> lol g'nite
[10:04] <jon_> Can anyone help me figure out why the kubuntu installer could see my wireless NIC, but when I got Kubuntu loaded, it doesn't see it?  (And how can I find it?)
[10:04] <uscg_corey> !wifi
[10:04] <ubotu> somebody said wifi was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[10:16] <word> !kbuild
[10:16] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, word
[10:17] <word> meh i'm spelling it wrong ...kbuildsycoa...how's that supposed to be spelled?
[10:17] <uscg_corey> anyone use network-manager ?
[10:19] <word> kbuildsycoca that's it
[10:23] <MasterEvilAce> last night a DJ saved my life with a song
[10:31] <skuttler> does kubuntu support WPA-PSK out of the box?
[10:35] <_rince_> mrgn
[10:35] <cfraz89> hi
[10:38] <crimsun> skuttler: theoretically dapper does, but it's dependent on wifi chipset (hardware)
[10:38] <skuttler> i use ipw2200 - just wondered if there is a gui that supports the configuration or do i have to configure wpa_supplicant again
[10:39] <crimsun> there's a gui, yes, but I'm horrible with package names. ipw2200 driver is solid and supports wpa OOTB.
[10:39] <jsgotangco> n-m?
[10:39] <crimsun> I think kubuntu has wlassistant or something
[10:39] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[10:40] <skuttler> i will check that out, thanks crimsun
[10:40] <crimsun> I'm a stalwart wpasupplicant user, so I'm not terribly familiar with the gui tools
[10:40] <jsgotangco> Wireless Lan Manager under Internet
[10:40] <jsgotangco> im in kubuntu atm
[10:40] <skuttler> is it good jsgotangco
[10:40] <jsgotangco> it works for me, not as shiny as n-m but its good
[10:41] <skuttler> jsgotangco: does it support WPA-PSK
[10:41] <jsgotangco> try running wlassistant
[10:41] <crimsun> skuttler: that's a kernel driver issue more than a program issue, and the kernel supports it just fine.
[10:42] <crimsun> believe me, I'm using an ipw2195abg as I type.
[10:42] <jsgotangco> skuttler: it only shows wep mode on my side
[10:42] <skuttler> i know it is supported 100% with the kernel module, but would like a nice KDE APP to support the configuration of it
[10:42] <jsgotangco> (but it probably detected my router from the start) i dunno
[10:42] <_esben> If you have hidden the tray icon for katapult... how do you get it back?
[10:44] <jon_> Hrmm... followed all the ndiswrapper instructions... got all the messages it said I was supposed to get, but the card still doesn't show under kwifimanager, or iwconfig
[10:44] <skuttler> reading the website, wlassistent, doesn't yet support WPA :(
[10:46] <crimsun> well, there's always wpagui
[10:46] <crimsun> probably not as intuitive
[11:31] <Bilford> ok, Im on a fresh new install of the latest build
[11:31] <cfraz89> has anyone run an upgrade today?
[11:31] <cfraz89> on my other computer it gets to setting up wvdial
[11:31] <cfraz89> then freezes the computer
[11:31] <cfraz89> and then grub is trashed
[11:36] <trip> i'm upgrading right now
[11:37] <trip> i'm not seeing any packages that would hose the system though
[11:37] <cfraz89> i didnt think wvdial would hose it
[11:37] <trip> but i'm using dapper
[11:37] <cfraz89> i thought at first that my computer had died
[11:37] <cfraz89> same
[11:37] <trip> I upgraded wvdial on friday i believe
[11:38] <Bilford> can someone paste a line I posted earlier with IPV6
[11:38] <trip> i think at one point i was forced to do a pkg -a --configure
[11:38] <trip> dpkg*
[11:38] <cfraz89> yeah
[11:38] <cfraz89> i ran a dist-upgrade this morning
[11:38] <cfraz89> came home, computer was off
[11:38] <cfraz89> so rerean the upgrade
[11:39] <cfraz89> it froze on wvdial
[11:39] <cfraz89> wierd, i thought
[11:39] <cfraz89> then grub froze every time
[11:39] <uniq> bilford: this: 05:51 <   Bilford> add  KDE_NO_IPV6=true   to   /etc/environment   to remove the Konqueror page load delay
[11:39] <cfraz89> so i reinstalled grub from boot cd
[11:39] <Bilford> uniq: thanks!
[11:39] <cfraz89> and then it happened every time i did dpkg- --configure -a
[11:40] <uniq> cfraz89: what if you remove wvdial completely, and reinstall it?
[11:40] <ninHer> hi all
[11:40] <trip> Well maybe you should remove the package
[11:40] <cfraz89> uniq, i wont try it now
[11:40] <cfraz89> i removed wvdial though
[11:40] <cfraz89> purged dpkg, removed wvdial
[11:40] <ninHer> or purge it better
[11:40] <cfraz89> then upgrade is ok
[11:41] <cfraz89> that computer has been so unstable since i put kubuntu on it
[11:41] <cfraz89> dont know why
[11:41] <_nano_> cfraz89: unstable as in?
[11:42] <cfraz89> freezes often enough
[11:42] <cfraz89> or the mouse starts moving as if the framerate is really low
[11:42] <_nano_> cfraz89: wats your config?
[11:42] <cfraz89> dapper
[11:42] <_nano_> cfraz89: i meant the hardware
[11:42] <cfraz89> 1 ghz duron
[11:42] <cfraz89> 256 ram
[11:42] <cfraz89> gf440 mx vcard
[11:43] <cfraz89> ac97 sound
[11:43] <_nano_> cfraz89: what's the output of fdisk -l
[11:43] <cfraz89> ill check
[11:43] <_nano_> k
[11:43] <ninHer> just a bit low or ram....isn't it ?
[11:43] <cfraz89> it is
[11:43] <cfraz89> im using xfce on it
[11:44] <_nano_> cfraz89: could you pastebin that please?
[11:44] <cfraz89> ok
[11:44] <ninHer> well, may be not so low, then
[11:44] <_nano_> ninHer: i am wondering if swap is enabled
[11:45] <ninHer> do you mean working when required ?
[11:45] <Ademan> in KDevelop are there macros in the header file templates?
[11:45] <_nano_> ninHer: yeah
[11:47] <_nano_> Ademan: #kdevelop?
[11:47] <Ademan> its dead in there :-/
[11:47] <_nano_> Ademan:  :P
[11:47] <cfraz89> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/742532
[11:47] <cfraz89> thanks
[11:48] <cfraz89> cant use that computer anymore, brother is on it
[11:48] <_nano_> rofl
[11:49] <_nano_> tell him if he works on that computer he's gonna lose all his work :P
[11:49] <cfraz89> lol
[11:49] <cfraz89> i got the fdisk stuff though, not sure if it helps
[11:49] <ninHer> ...or something similar
[11:49] <_nano_> pastebin it
[11:49] <ninHer> :-)
[11:49] <cfraz89> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/742532
[11:49] <ninHer> yes
[11:50] <Ademan> everything in KDE seems to put a comma where there's a tab (like at the beggining of the tab)
[11:50] <ninHer> oughh, adept running....too slow for pastebin
[11:50] <ninHer> ;-)
[11:51] <_nano_> !adept
[11:51] <ubotu> adept is, like, totally, a package manager for Kubuntu. A howto is provided here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[11:51] <nico8481> hi
[11:51] <_nano_> i still use synaptic
[11:51] <_nano_> nico8481: hi
[11:51] <ninHer> i dont like it
[11:52] <ninHer> even i would prefer kpackage
[11:52] <_nano_> ninHer: i'm kinda used to it thats why
[11:52] <ninHer> nice
[11:53] <stlack> please, the 'alternate' version isn't bootable?
[11:54] <Ademan> uhm, are there supposed to be "commas" wherever theres a whitespace character?
[11:54] <ninHer> i think fdisk is normal
[11:55] <cfraz89> Ademan: the text editors put upside down l's where tabs are
[11:55] <cfraz89> thanks ninHer
[11:55] <_nano_> ninHer: yeah
[11:55] <_nano_> ninHer: would have to check the output of free command
[11:55] <ninHer> _nano_: what do you think ?
[11:55] <Ademan> cfraz89: can i disable that?
[11:55] <Bilford> the StartUp sound reminds me of The Prisoner
[11:55] <Bilford> good morning, good morning
[11:56] <ninHer> good day Bilford
[11:56] <cfraz89> Ademan: yes
[11:56] <cfraz89> in kwrite at least, go to configure editor
[11:56] <cfraz89> then go to editing
[11:57] <cfraz89> then untick show tabulators
[11:57] <Ademan> thanks so much
[11:57] <Ademan> that fixed it
[11:57] <Ademan> it was bothering me
[11:57] <_nano_> hehe
[11:57] <cfraz89> lol
[11:57] <cfraz89> its nearly the same in kate too
[11:58] <cfraz89> np
[11:58] <Ademan> it was actually KDevelop, but yeah, it was nearly the same
[11:58] <_nano_> advantages of integration :D
[11:58] <cfraz89> ah
[12:10] <_nano_> can i make konversation use [nick]  instead of <nick> while showing messages?
[12:14] <Bilford> I dont knw
[12:26] <_nano_> anyone uses Konversation? i have a stupid question
[12:26] <_nano_> how do you change channel events color? i hate the pink color :|
[12:27] <treakath> hey everyone
[12:28] <Hobbsee> _nano_: settings, configure konversation
[12:28] <_nano_> Hobbsee: I'm there
[12:28] <_nano_> Hobbsee: and hi
[12:28] <Hobbsee> _nano_: colours
[12:29] <treakath> hey
[12:29] <_nano_> Hobbsee: channel message color? but it's set to black :-S why am I seeing pink :-S
[12:30] <Hobbsee> _nano_: i have no idea...i thought it was server colour or something
[12:30] <_nano_> k
[12:33] <fek> moin
[12:33] <_nano_> Hobbsee: got it! it was the "command message" color :|
[12:33] <Hobbsee> ah
[12:39] <Bilford> the Konsole looks nice maximized with no menus or anything, with a transparent background
[12:46] <_nano_> Bilford: share a screenshot :D
[12:47] <Bilford> ok
[12:51] <Bilford> www.pov.cc/snapshot1.png
[12:53] <ccc_> Bilford: ever tried yakuake?
[12:53] <Bilford> no
[12:53] <RogueJediX> Bilford: You should.  To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:54] <Bilford> Ive already read that page
[12:54] <Bilford> the  libxine-extracodecs doesnt work
[12:54] <ccc_> give it a shot, best program ever :)
[12:55] <Bilford> yakuake
[12:55] <Bilford> when I do:  file:///home/bilford/snapshot1.png
[12:55] <Bilford> oops
[12:55] <Lynoure> ccc_: what happens if you want to have like 5? Do they all drop wen you press f12 or can you configure different keys for each?
[12:55] <Bilford> when I do:  sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[12:56] <Bilford> I get:   Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:56] <Bilford> and a few other lines of info
[12:56] <Hobbsee> Bilford: enable multiverse
[12:56] <Bilford> I did
[12:57] <Hobbsee> odd
[12:57] <Bilford> all mine are au
[12:57] <Bilford> should I add some us.
[12:57] <Hobbsee> Bilford: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin please
[12:57] <Bilford> ok
[12:57] <Bilford> it's all au.
[12:57] <ccc_> Lynoure: i don't think you can run multiple, but since it has tabs it's no loss. or you can just have yakuake it for the one you use most.
[12:58] <ccc_> -it
[12:58] <Bilford> Hobbsee: http://pastebin.com/742592
[12:58] <Lynoure> ccc_ for many things tabs are not handy (e.g. for having reference in another terminal and code in another)
[12:58] <ccc_> Lynoure: true
[12:59] <Hobbsee> !+repos
[12:59] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[12:59] <Hobbsee> Bilford: swap your repos with what's in there.
[12:59] <Lynoure> or irssi in one and work in another =)
[12:59] <Bilford> ok ty
[12:59] <Hobbsee> or just add multiverse at the end of where it says "universe"
[12:59] <Bilford> did you look at my source
[12:59] <Bilford> it says multiverse after it already
[01:00] <Bilford> but I'll change source lists
[01:00] <Bilford> oh, add multiverse after every single universe
[01:00] <Bilford> ok
[01:04] <ccc_> Lynoure: apparently that's being planned for future versions
[01:04] <Bilford> Hobbsee: that worked, ty
[01:04] <Hobbsee> Bilford: not a problem :)
[01:05] <Hobbsee> Bilford: yeah, i looked at your sources, and saw that yours was the most common problem.  there are only 3 common problems with sources lists.
[01:07] <_nano_> ccc_: yakuake is cool!
[01:07] <_nano_> ccc_: thanks for sharing
[01:08] <ccc_> yea, i couldn't live without it :)
[01:11] <Bilford> ok, yakauake running
[01:11] <Bilford> nice
[01:24] <dusty_> Hey guys I have just upgraded from 5 to 6 and when i login to x it gives me a crapp 800x600 resolution I was using 1600x1280 (how come its changed it? the config file xorg.conf has atyed the same), i tried loggin in going to system  settings but it wont let me change it there either the max in there is 1024 x 768 any ideas?
[01:24] <klerfayt> dusty_: look into /var/log/xorg.log
[01:25] <klerfayt> dusty_: */var/log/Xorg.0.log*
[01:27] <dusty_> hrm nothing of any use in there?
[01:27] <dusty_> want me to paste bin them?
[01:28] <klerfayt> dusty_: why not
[01:29] <dusty_> what do you mean?
[01:29] <klerfayt> dusty_: paste bin
[01:29] <dusty_> ok
[01:31] <pgquiles> what version of gcc is dapper compiled with?
[01:31] <Bilford> I just noticed in amaroK, the wolf icon fills up as it plays
[01:33] <h3sp4wn> pgquile 4.0.3
[01:33] <_nano_> pgquiles: gcc --version
[01:34] <dusty_> klerfayt, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/YzGj2N86.html
[01:34] <DaveQB> would there be any reason an NFS mount has these options (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,soft,addr=<IP_ADDRESS>) where as fstab has these: rsize=8192,wsize=8192,soft,atime,auto,rw,dev,exec,suid,user 0 0
[01:34] <DaveQB> the exec part is what I am mainly concerned with
[01:35] <klerfayt> dusty_: look at line 359
[01:35] <pgquiles> h3sp4wn including the kernel? (in breezy everything but the kernel was built with gcc4)
[01:35] <h3sp4wn> pggquiles: yes (I think they used the pre release version of gcc 4 for breezy)
[01:36] <klerfayt> dusty_: oops ignore my last message and look at line 407 instead
[01:36] <dusty_> that doesnt matter klerfayt
[01:37] <dusty_> what i did with 5.0 was configured it to 1400x1050 in the install then edited the configuration (put monitors h sync and v sync in) then added the correct modes lines and startx'ed and i had 1600x1280 working nicley
[01:37] <dusty_> with 70hz refresh rate
[01:38] <klerfayt> dusty_: you can try to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in konsole then
[01:38] <dusty_> ok
[01:39] <MaiPenRai> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/restricted Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy_restricted_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[01:40] <MaiPenRai> Can someone help me fix Adept? I keep getting ^ that error message.
[01:40] <dusty_> right ima logout of X klerfayt and do it in console, bbiab. wish me luck :)
[01:44] <serenity> hi
[01:47] <Lynoure> hi serenity
[01:47] <billups> i cant change the resolution on my monitor. it's a new monitor but i cannot change the resolution
[01:48] <apokryphos> !resolution
[01:48] <ubotu> resolution is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:53] <serenity> i trief dapper flight 7 a week ago, but this version doesn't support my wlan-card. Will this be fixes in the final?
[01:53] <Lynoure> serenity: pretty impossible ffor anyone to tell without knowing what wlan card that is...
[01:54] <serenity> d-link airPlus DWL-520+
[01:54] <serenity> it's a knwon bug in bugzilla, but there is only a workaround, no real solution
[02:00] <billups> i tried everything to change resolution but it didnt change...my video card is Nvidia Geforce 6600 and monitor is Samsung Synmatser793DF
[02:01] <McNutella> morning folks
[02:01] <McNutella> how do I turn off the firewall please ?
[02:06] <Riddell> McNutella: there is no firewall in kubuntu unless you install one
[02:07] <Riddell> serenity: unlikely to be changed, but do report a bug
[02:09] <Sweet_kate> hello
[02:12] <ridius> Hello all!
[02:12] <Lynoure> Is there any way to change font/colour of DVD subtitles in kaffeine?
[02:13] <Lynoure> For some reason they have recently been yellow and jagged on my computer...
[02:14] <klerfayt> Lynoure: settings>xine engine parameters
[02:15] <klerfayt> Lynoure: ui>expert options
[02:17] <Lynoure> klerfayt: Thanks, I'll go and try :)
[02:18] <tchize> Hello everyone
[02:18] <tchize> i just dozmnloaded dapper drake desktop
[02:18] <dergringo> congrats :D
[02:19] <_nano_> lol
[02:19] <tchize> at startup i get a menu telling launch or install kubuntu
[02:19] <Bilford> you do?
[02:19] <tchize> how do i start the install process ???
[02:19] <Bilford> load the Live version
[02:19] <Lynoure> klerfayt: Does it only take effect on restart of kaffeine, or something? Changing and applying didn't change :/
[02:19] <Bilford> theres an icon on the desktop to Install
[02:19] <tchize> have no desktop
[02:19] <klerfayt> Lynoure: I don't know
[02:19] <Bilford> RUN IT
[02:19] <Bilford> Run the LIVE CD
[02:20] <tchize> i get a message telling me kdesktop crashed at kde staart of live
[02:20] <tchize> so no desktop
[02:20] <tchize> am currently chatting from the live
[02:20] <Bilford> how
[02:20] <Bilford> what do you mean you ahve no desktop
[02:21] <tchize> i have only a blue background and the kde taskbar
[02:21] <tchize> i mean kde tray
[02:21] <Bilford> did you try rebooting
[02:21] <ridius> Any KDE experts in the house?
[02:21] <ridius> I have a wierd resolution issue I need help with
[02:22] <_nano_> ridius: elaborate?
[02:22] <tchize> how can it change anything kdesktop crashed at startup
[02:22] <Lynoure> klerfayt: Couldn't get the change to happen even then :/
[02:22] <Bilford> ...
[02:22] <h3sp4wn> tchize: Can you click the k menu and use run ?
[02:22] <ridius> Well, X recognizes 1400x1050 resolution, but KDE is gigantic
[02:22] <tchize> nom run does not workm but i can use the kde menu
[02:23] <_nano_> ridius: screenshot?
[02:23] <ridius> http://img141.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hugedesk4ug.png for a pic
[02:23] <Bilford> you make no sense
[02:23] <_nano_> ridius: it's most probably dpi issue
[02:23] <Bilford> Id go back to Windows
[02:23] <ridius> Cool, how do I fix that?
[02:23] <cfraz89> ridius: yeah dpi
[02:24] <cfraz89> make a file called .Xresources in your home
[02:24] <cfraz89> and then paste this in:
[02:24] <h3sp4wn> tchize: open a terminal
[02:24] <tchize> yes
[02:24] <h3sp4wn> tchize: open konsole
[02:24] <_nano_> cfraz89: but that would only affect one user
[02:24] <tchize> opened
[02:24] <cfraz89> Xft.dpi:120
[02:24] <Bilford> alt+f2
[02:24] <_nano_> cfraz89: it's better to edit the kdmrc file
[02:24] <cfraz89> oh ok
[02:24] <_nano_> ridius: what's your monitor size?
[02:24] <cfraz89> it sounds like the displaysize isnt being detected properly
[02:25] <ridius> It's a 17" LCD - Laptop
[02:25] <ridius> Dell Lattitude D610
[02:25] <_nano_> ridius:do you know the aspect ratio? is it widescreen?
[02:25] <_nano_> ridius: xga or wxga?
[02:25] <Lynoure> klerfayt: Especially if you use dapper, could you see if you can get any of the subtitle related changes to take effect? I could then figure out whether to report a bug or not.
[02:25] <ridius> I'm pretty sure it's wxga
[02:25] <tchize> my konsole is opened h3sp4wn, now what?
[02:25] <ridius> I know for a fact it supports 1400x1050 (I was using that res on Ubuntu)
[02:25] <_nano_> ridius: is it possible for you to find out your screen dimensions?
[02:26] <klerfayt> Lynoure: I think that maybe it doesn't change cause it uses kde color theme
[02:26] <ridius> I could do that, give me a minute
[02:26] <klerfayt> Lynoure: I think that maybe it doesn't change cause it uses kde color theme
[02:26] <_nano_> ridius: k
[02:26] <h3sp4wn> tchize: session - > new root shell
[02:27] <h3sp4wn> tchize: then run ubiquity-frontend-kde
[02:28] <tchize> root@ubuntu:~# ubiquity-frontend-kde
[02:28] <tchize> -su: ubiquity-frontend-kde: command not found
[02:28] <Lynoure> klerfayt: Nowhere I have yellow in the theme... and mine thinks it uses white-black transparent when it clearly uses yellow-black transparent
[02:28] <h3sp4wn> tchize: It that does not work run aptitude update && sudo aptitude install ubiquity-frontend-kde
[02:28] <klerfayt> Lynoure: kaffeine uses white font here
[02:28] <Lynoure> klerfayt: Tried changing the font size too, that wouldn't take effect either...
[02:28] <ridius> _nano_: Height:8.4 inches Width:11.3 inches Diagonal:14.1 inches
[02:29] <ridius> It's SXGA+
[02:29] <tchize> h3sp4wn you can run apt-get install in live cds ??
[02:29] <_nano_> ridius: what resolution are you working on kde currently?
[02:29] <h3sp4wn> tchzie: It uses unionfs so yes (unless you have an extremely low amount of ram)
[02:30] <tchize> done
[02:30] <tchize> it still say
[02:30] <tchize> root@ubuntu:~# ubiquity-frontend-kde
[02:30] <tchize> -su: ubiquity-frontend-kde: command not found
[02:30] <h3sp4wn> tchzie: try running just ubiquity
[02:30] <Lynoure> klerfayt: mine did too, earlier, don't know what changed it.
[02:31] <tchize> root@ubuntu:~# ubiquity
[02:31] <tchize> root@ubuntu:~#
[02:31] <tchize> but nothing happens
[02:31] <h3sp4wn> run sudo ubiquity from the non root terminal
[02:32] <h3sp4wn> kdesu ubiquity sorry
[02:32] <klerfayt> Lynoure: take a look into /home/kristjan/.kde/share/apps/kaffeine/
[02:32] <tchize> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ kdesu ubiquity
[02:32] <tchize> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[02:32] <tchize>   Major opcode:  144
[02:33] <tchize>   Minor opcode:  3
[02:33] <tchize>   Resource id:  0x0
[02:33] <tchize> Failed to open device
[02:33] <tchize> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[02:33] <tchize>   Major opcode:  144
[02:33] <tchize>   Minor opcode:  3
[02:33] <tchize>   Resource id:  0x0
[02:33] <tchize> Failed to open device
[02:33] <tchize> qre those messages importants?
[02:33] <Lynoure> klerfayt: No /home/kristjan on my computer :)
[02:33] <klerfayt> Lynoure: I know...
[02:34] <h3sp4wn> tchize: Install from the alternate cd there is a very low chance I/you will be able to do anything about that
[02:34] <Lynoure> But I would assume that it should make the changes take effect at some point, somehow...
[02:34] <Spaceraver> hey guys... after an update.. the laptop fails to respond to reboot... it hangs at deactivating swap... and hdd led is on all the time... any suggestions??
[02:34] <tchize> well the installer seems to run :/
[02:34] <h3sp4wn> tchize: I thought it had crashed ?
[02:34] <tchize> it dropped those messages and ran anyway :/
[02:35] <h3sp4wn> tchize: May as well just try it then
[02:35] <dusty_> Hey guys im running the latest firefox with kubuntu 6 and when I view texts on sites etc i have to highlight the text to read it because its invisible otherwise, anyone know how to fix this, its extremely annoying?
[02:37] <Lynoure> klerfayt: It claims to use ui.osd.text_palette:white-none-transparent
[02:37] <Lynoure> klerfayt: in xine-config, that is. But does not.
[02:38] <Lynoure> oh well, maybe I'll let this simmer for a day or two
[02:38] <klerfayt> Lynoure: create bug report then
[02:39] <Lynoure> klerfayt: I will, if I don't come up with anything radical by Tuesday or so :)
[02:39] <jeroenvrp> anyone else has problems using guidance's userconfig? It's not creating the home-directory
[02:39] <Lynoure> klerfayt: Thank you :)
[02:40] <dusty_> Anyone?
[02:41] <h3sp4wn> tchize: If your computer or video card is overclocked than you can expect random crashes (due to running buses at non standard multiples)
[02:41] <leon_> mama
[02:43] <tchize> this video card is quite old, at a time manufacturer were not overclocking them :)
[02:44] <tchize> mm no option for reiserfs install? is it because of live cd, or is the oem installer also not allowing reiserfs anymore?
[02:53] <Bilford> whats Propietary Software
[02:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> tchize, i would ber supprised if it allowed reiserfs installs
[02:55] <tchize> Well, i prefer reiser performances on ext3 ones :)
[02:55] <klerfayt> tchize: text mode installation allows to use reiserfs
 thanks for info :)
[03:00] <uwo> konqueror plugins problem: on a site with embedded SMIL stream (realplayer) firefox embeds real player and plays w/o problems, while konqueror crashes. Firefox seems to have one additional plugin installed (mplayer-plugin), which i can't get konqueror to load (scan for plugins -> nothing, not even kmplayer plugin). Any suggestions, except for using firefox - i prefer konq.
[03:19] <uwo> try again: konqueror plugins problem: on a site with embedded SMIL stream (realplayer) firefox embeds real player and plays w/o problems, while konqueror crashes. Firefox seems to have one additional plugin installed (mplayer-plugin), which i can't get konqueror to load (scan for plugins -> nothing, not even also installed kmplayer plugin). Any suggestions (except for using firefox - i prefer konq)?
[03:24] <goldenear> uwo: I just send a patch yesterday about that problem
[03:24] <uwo> goldenear: what is a patch?
[03:25] <goldenear> uwo: the problem is about wrong file / mimetype association in konqueror
[03:25] <goldenear> you can fix it by hand: go to konq/configuration
[03:25] <Abo> is it possible to attach files to the pastebin.com?
[03:26] <goldenear> the in the "tab" file" associaction check for application/x-mplayer2
[03:26] <goldenear> an in the embedded section, place kmplayer on top
[03:27] <goldenear> uwo: could you give me the url where I could check your problem ?
[03:29] <uwo> goldenear: tried that already - the url is http://www.rtvslo.si/modload.php?&c_mod=rnews - red tab on top "avdio/video" - opens new window - then i get warning "smil support rudimentary, kaffeine part will play... yes/no" in both cases crash
[03:30] <gil> hey can someone help me with kpowersave
[03:30] <gil> ?
[03:30] <gil> i am having some problems....
[03:32] <tchize> re
[03:32] <goldenear> uwo: very strange indeed
[03:32] <tchize> seems installation went ok
[03:32] <tchize>  :)
[03:32] <tchize> thanks to all
[03:33] <uwo> goldenear: does it work for you?
[03:33] <goldenear> uwo: I'me going to try to fix it
[03:33] <goldenear> nop
[03:33] <goldenear> :(
[03:33] <goldenear> gil: what king of problem do you have with kpowersave ?
[03:33] <tchize> one little last question, how do i lise users in login screen? It seems the connection handler -> show user list box isn't taken into account by login manager
[03:34] <gil> goldenear: i cant seem to get suspend mode to work ok...it goes into suspend but it does not go out....
[03:34] <gil> it goes out of it...but not the display....just gives me blank screen
[03:34] <uwo> goldenear: i tried the SMIL file associations too... no luck - but about:plugins shows differnet plugins installed in firefox and konqueror.. don't know if it is that - this site is quite important for me, so it is a hassle switching to firefox all the time
[03:37] <goldenear> uwo: yes I have the same problem here ... changing type association do nothing... kaffeine always take the hand :/ I'm investigating
[03:37] <gil> so any idea on the kpwoersave problem i am having?
[03:38] <goldenear> gil: I have the same problem here: I think the problem is the somethink make the computer hang when the computer "wakes up"
[03:38] <gil> so what is the solution
[03:40] <tchize> ok bye all
[03:40] <Bilford> how do you configure Kate so it doesnt show the sidebar or documents bar on the left side every time you open it
[03:41] <Bilford> it's annoying
[03:45] <goldenear> gil: report a bug about it
[03:46] <Bilford> I doubt it's a bug
[03:46] <Bilford> I just dont know how to fix it
[03:47] <Bilford> oh, sorry
[03:49] <gil> no its not a but
[03:49] <klerfayt_> Bilford: try kwrite
[03:49] <gil> *bug
[03:49] <gil> i had it working before
[03:49] <gil> it used to work
[03:49] <klerfayt_> Bilford: it has more simple interface
[03:49] <sheldonc> gil: some comps have issues with suspend.. at least a buddy of mine had the same deal
[03:49] <gil> now kpowersave....freezes my display
[03:49] <gil> yes i gathered so
[03:50] <gil> but i am surprised it used to work when i used breezy
[03:50] <gil> now in dapper
[03:50] <gil> no go!
[03:50] <Bilford> klerfayt_: ok ty
[03:51] <goldenear> gil: try to see if it's not a kernel module that doesn't like acpi
[03:51] <ridius> Any KDE guru's in here? I've got a wierd resolution problem... still
[03:51] <apokryphos> !helpme
[03:51] <ubotu> If you do not actually ask a question, we cannot actually help you. :)
[03:51] <ridius> X is configured to run at 1400x1050 but KDE windows/icons are still huge
[03:51] <crazy_penguin> hi!
[03:51] <ridius> ;p
[03:52] <ridius> Here's a screenshot of what I'm talking about: http://img93.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hugedesk28kv.png
[03:52] <klerfayt_> ridius: menu>system settings>display
[03:53] <gil> ok i will look
[03:53] <ridius> 1400x1050
[03:56] <klerfayt_> ridius: what font size are you using?
[03:56] <klerfayt_> ridius: and what icons are too large in your oppinion?
[03:57] <ridius> Everything is too large
[03:57] <ridius> Font size are all 10
[03:57] <ridius> Windows are too large, text is too large, and icons are too large
[03:57] <ridius> The screen looks like I'm running at 1280x1024
[03:57] <klerfayt_> ridius: make fonts smaller; icons in panel get smaller if you make panel smaller
[03:58] <ridius> What about my windows
[03:58] <ridius> I have Konverastion almost full screen and I only have 27 lines of history
[03:58] <sheldonc> just change your text size
[03:58] <klerfayt_> ridius: try with smaller fonts, e.g. 8
[04:01] <ridius> Did
[04:01] <ridius> * done
[04:01] <ridius> Didn't change my window sizes
[04:01] <ridius> Only the text in the menu and title bar
[04:01] <dews> i can change the audio driver?
[04:01] <klerfayt_> ridius: window can be resized
[04:02] <dews> there are some driver for a sound blaster live 1024!
[04:02] <dews> ?
[04:04] <EvilIdler> dews: Yes.
[04:04] <Bilford> Dapper is going to be released June 1
[04:04] <Bilford> no delay
[04:05] <dews> Evill.: and where i can find this driver?
[04:05] <ridius> Well, the smaller fonts is a little better
[04:06] <EvilIdler> dews: It should be in your default installation. It's called 'emu10k1'.
[04:06] <ridius> I guess I can live with it
[04:06] <ridius> I would really like to fix the real problem with it though
[04:06] <dews> because i can't listen the rear channel
[04:07] <muromec> join #ubuntu-translators-ru
[04:07] <dews> thanks evill
[04:07] <klerfayt_> ridius: but it is 1400x1050
[04:08] <klerfayt_> ridius: that's how large is the screenshot of your desktop: 1400pixelsx1050pixels