[03:24] <RAOF> Alright!
[03:25] <RAOF> We've gone from mako: unresponsive to mako: angry red flashing light!
[03:25] <RAOF> Progress!
[03:40] <duflu> RAOF: Woo! Mine went to warranty repair several times for non-charging issues. Glad yours is back
[03:40] <RAOF> Yeeeees!
[03:40] <RAOF> We have a bootloader!
[03:52] <ljp> always a good sign
[06:37] <bschaefer> duflu, yeah bregma was saying there is a circuit issue where it needs power to charge haha
[06:37] <bschaefer> soo if it dies, it cant charge
[06:56] <bschaefer> s
[06:56] <bschaefer> opps
[11:42] <columbobaas> Mir, when will it be stable?
[11:45] <alan_g> columbobaas: what does stable mean to you?
[11:45] <columbobaas> Usefull as daily driver
[11:47]  * ogra_ uses his phone all day since over a year ... definitely fine as daily driver
[11:47] <alan_g> At least a year ago
[11:47] <columbobaas> and on desktop?
[11:49] <alan_g> That's more dependant on other parts of the stack than Mir.
[11:49] <ogra_> mir is surely ready for the desktop too ... the desktop just isnt yet ;)
[11:50] <alan_g> There was a Unity7 on Xmir stack around a while back. And there's a Unity8 stack in development.
[11:51] <alan_g> But if someone were to write a shell with it Mir would work fine.
[11:52] <columbobaas> Will Ubuntu 15.10 use it you think?
[11:52] <alan_g> not as default
[11:53] <ogra_> 16.10 will use Mir as default
[11:55] <columbobaas> a long time to go
[11:55] <columbobaas> and until then ubuntu will use unity 7?
[11:56] <ogra_> yes, there will be an ubuntu personal image in parallel, based on snappy ... that will be released alongside withh the unity7 16.04 release
[11:56] <ogra_> so you can choose ... the default 16.04 will use unity7 though
[12:00] <columbobaas> and is there something to change with compiz? Because the desktop of a friend doen't support that well
[12:08] <greyback_> columbobaas: compiz is for X only. Mir completely replaces it
[12:08] <columbobaas> Ow, very interesting
[13:55] <greyback_> kdub: hey, you got some time?
[13:55] <greyback_> I'm getting USC crashing when plugging in the slimport cable on N7
[13:55] <greyback_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12021098/
[13:56] <greyback_> this is with silo0
[13:57] <greyback_> not crshing with mir_proving_server tho
[13:58] <ogra_> greyback_, davmor2 just said in another channel that silo0 isnt ready for use yet ... you might have half built stuff there
[13:58] <ogra_> (it is in the middle of a rebuild)
[13:58] <greyback_> ogra_: correct, but in this case, I'm the reason it's not ready :)
[13:58] <ogra_> lol
[13:58] <ogra_> k
[13:58] <ogra_> :)
[13:58] <greyback_> thanks tho
[14:02] <greyback_> kdub: nor is it crashing with USC alone, it appears to be a consequence of the WindowManagement code
[14:03] <kdub> greyback_, I can check if lp:mir works
[14:04] <greyback_> kdub: if you can, it would be a start, thanks
[14:04] <kdub> i thought silo 0 was a n4-only one though
[14:05]  * kdub tried to get n7+silo0 working this week, but couldn't find a friendly image for silo0
[14:06] <greyback_> kdub: n7 should work too, at least it used to
[14:06] <greyback_> kdub: it should go on top of devel-proposed
[14:07] <greyback_> use the citrain script to add the silo, so the correct packages are installed (and pinned)
[14:08] <kdub> greyback_, i can poke around today, might not be able to switch 100%
[14:18] <kdub> greyback_, takes a while to get set up... stacktrace in the meantime?
[14:19] <kdub> (mostly from dead batteries)
[14:19] <greyback_> kdub: this of use: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12021098/
[14:23] <kdub> greyback_, thanks
[14:24] <greyback_> kdub: another BT, almost exacty the same: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12021321/
[14:24]  * kdub knows that alf fixed some stuff
[14:25] <kdub> recently... the mir fix for the circa-monday deadlock was actually a backport


[00:00] <Nehal> Oh, hmm. perhaps a dialog came up with the languages and I did not set it to English. I probably assumed that would be the default.
[00:00] <brainwash> bug 1245585
[00:02] <Nehal> brainwash: thanks
[00:48] <c2tarun> Hi friends, When I log in into Xubuntu, I have to manually click on Message icon in system tray and click on available to start pidgin. How can I make pidgin to start automatically on system start?
[00:50] <SonikkuAmerica> Put it in Session and Startup in System Settings.
[00:51] <c2tarun> SonikkuAmerica, aahh, great :) thanks
[01:09] <NotRs> Hello all :)
[01:09] <SonikkuAmerica> !hi
[01:47] <KoSoVaR> .u
[05:28] <ROPA> test
[05:28] <cfhowlett> ROPA, pass
[05:28] <cfhowlett> !tes
[05:28] <cfhowlett> !test
[06:45] <KoSoVaR> Anyone able to successfully get 13.10 working with AMD's 13.12 drivers along with the new SDK ?
[06:46] <KoSoVaR> I found this earlier http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?91885-AMD-Catalyst-13-12-GPU-Driver-For-Linux-Released&p=381954#post381954
[08:37] <xubi> after xubuntu update, on system boot, when xfce is loaded i get some error. The options for popup error box is cancel or report problem. Where i need to look to know what cause this error. Thanks
[08:38] <cfhowlett> xubi, you don't need to look, just click "report"
[08:38] <xubi> yes
[08:38] <Unit193> (That shows you what's up before finally reporting.)
[08:39] <xubi> ok, but can i look to some logs now ? where errors is logged ?
[13:38] <Dermhye> Hello
[13:38] <ObrienDave> greetings
[13:39] <Dermhye> I am new to Linux. I am using Ubuntu Studio my basic interest is using the graphics softwares
[13:40] <Dermhye> I noticed the Blender version preinstalled in U. S 13.10 is an old version then I uninstalled and downloaded the latest version from Blender's website
[13:42] <Dermhye> I got a page online that told me how to extract it and use...
[13:42] <ObrienDave> check here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/339634/downloading-latest-blender-version-from-ppa
[13:43] <Dermhye> But I will like to have blender in my application list. How do I do it
[13:43] <Dermhye> Thank you...
[13:43] <Dermhye> Checking now
[13:46] <ObrienDave> once you install it, it will show up in the "graphics" menu
[13:49] <Dermhye> Do I need to have the old blender version installed before I can use the instructions on the link
[13:50] <ObrienDave> no, i don't think so
[13:50] <ObrienDave> add the ppa, update the list, install blender. that should work nicely
[13:51] <cfhowlett> Dermhye, actually, you could probably have both versions installed.
[13:52] <ObrienDave> yes, that is possible
[15:01] <bsdtux> Hi Everyone, I am having problems with getting my bumblebee to work properly. when I try optirun glxgears I get Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA GPU at PCI:4:0:0
[15:01] <bsdtux> I have done a lot of googling but nothing seems to be correcting the issue
[15:04] <bsdtux> I did notice that when checking I get bumblebee-nvidia (3.2.1-3), nvidia-304, nvidia-319-updates, nvidia-setings-304, nvidia-settings-319-updates. Do you think the 304 and 319 are conflicting
[15:29] <xubuntu214> hii
[15:30] <cfhowlett> xubuntu214, greetings
[15:31] <xubuntu214> help me dual booting windows 7 and xubuntu
[15:31] <cfhowlett> !details
[15:32] <xubuntu214> after update-grub command .The system reboot but i windows 7
[15:33] <bekks> Where did you install grub to?
[16:42] <KoSoVaR> anyone able to assist with and 13.12 driver install?
[16:43] <GridCube> !anyone
[16:43] <brainwash> KoSoVaR: your name looks familiar... doing coin mining?
[16:44] <KoSoVaR> yes sir
[16:44] <brainwash> so do the usual guides not help?
[16:44] <KoSoVaR> no
[16:44] <KoSoVaR> im stumpe.d..
[16:44] <brainwash> any specific errors?
[16:44] <KoSoVaR> yea
[16:44] <KoSoVaR> OpenCL older version is loading instead of the newer version in cgminer
[16:45] <brainwash> that is a very special issue I guess
[16:45] <KoSoVaR> http://pastebin.com/YQXjzfV4 can see i'm running 13.25.5
[16:46] <KoSoVaR> when I run the miner, I'm seeing CL Platform 0 version: OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1214.3)
[16:46] <KoSoVaR> but I should see CL Platform 0 version: OpenCL 1.2 AMD-APP (1348.4)
[16:46] <brainwash> well, you could try asking in #ati
[16:47] <KoSoVaR> yea i'll check it out
[16:47] <KoSoVaR> just doesn't make sense
[16:47] <KoSoVaR> :-/
[16:49] <brainwash> I'm afraid that no one here might be able to help you with this issue
[16:49] <KoSoVaR> ya it's all good
[16:49] <KoSoVaR> thought i'd try
[16:50] <brainwash> it's not xubuntu specific
[17:09] <Dermhye> How can I increase the volume of my pc
[17:09] <Dermhye> I am new to linux please
[17:14] <GridCube> Dermhye, are you using 13.10?
[18:21] <Dermhye> How do I repair my ubuntu studio installation or reinstall it?
[23:27] <xubuntu007> hello threre
[23:28] <xubuntu007> happy Xmas
[23:57] <uBUXUBu> may the peace of buntu be with u


[19:53] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:20] <hads> morning
[20:39] <ajmitch> morning
[21:01] <olly> morning
[21:27] <mwhudson> morning
[21:27]  * mwhudson loves the email mountain punishment for a holiday
[21:31] <ibeardslee> heh


[00:05] <blucat> hi
[00:06] <blucat> I'm currently installing a custom CD following this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[00:07] <blucat> But when I build my image, the boot menu isn't changed
[00:07] <blucat> and I don't understand why (certainly something really stupid)
[00:08] <blucat> (using : sudo mkisofs -r -V "EAH 2k17" -cache-inodes -J -l -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c isolinux/boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -o $IMAGE $BUILD)
[00:45] <blucat> OK
[00:45] <blucat> was tired
[00:45] <blucat> sounds better


[04:28] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[04:36] <pizzaiolo> o/
[04:36] <lotuspsychje> hey pizza, what cooking :p
[04:37] <pizzaiolo> in about 18 hours, pizza! \o/
[04:37] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> todays update borked system completly, something libc related
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> and current dailys give me mdsum errors, cant work around to setup or live
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> falling back to bionic temp
[10:01] <TR2990WX> will ubuntu 2020.04 support zfs out of the box?
[10:02] <takov751> yes indeed. As it seems
[12:06] <bkurt78> I just hit an issue running an apt upgrade on my 20.04 install.  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/B3d3Y9hfsz/
[12:07] <lotuspsychje> bkurt78, yeah be careful with that, i had a borked system this morning after updates
[12:08] <bkurt78> lotuspsychje:  yeah it doesn't look good.
[12:08] <bkurt78> not sure how to recover from this one
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> bkurt78, after reboot, i couldnt enter my system anymore, systemd gave me error on recoverymode too
[12:09] <lotuspsychje> and cant reinstall a daily hence another mdsum error neither..
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> bkurt78, so you might wanna backup stuff before rebooting
[12:19] <tomreyn> you could download and dpkg -i https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/libcrypt1
[12:22] <lotuspsychje> bkurt78, think at updates this morning, system also asked to start/stop systemd service, doublecheck if you get that too
[12:25] <lotuspsychje> so i tryed to clean install daily 20.04 desktop, but at boot/F1 it floods fsck/mdsum errors and a whole bunch of nvidia lines and does not continue towards setup
[12:27] <RikMills> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/1866844
[12:27] <lotuspsychje> ah tnx RikMills
[15:38] <bkurt78> My 20.04 install got borked this morning with a failed update and now won't boot back up properly.  It looked like a glibc update that didn't succeed.  Anyone else hit this and know of a fix?
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> bkurt78: RikMills pointed us to this bug ID already, did you miss it?
[15:39] <bkurt78> Yeah, I missed it.  I was actually on the laptop with the issue at the time.  I had to walk away and when it came back it had gone to sleep and was toast from there.
[15:40] <bkurt78> Do you happen to still have the link?
[15:40] <lotuspsychje> sure thing holdon
[15:41] <bkurt78> I tried searching through launchpad but I couldn't find the bug report in there so I must have not been searching with the right info.
[15:42] <lotuspsychje> bkurt78: i reinstalled daily and it seems to work again now
[15:43] <bkurt78> I was hoping to not have to do that, but not a big deal I guess.
[15:44] <MikeRL> Having a very similar issue now on 20.04 prerelease I had on eoan with updates. I will leave a paste. Basically, libc6 errors. Specifically, "libc6:amd64 tries to upgrade and gets "/usr/bin/perl: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypt.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[15:44] <MikeRL> "
[15:44] <bkurt78> lotuspsychje: you recall if there was a fix, or was the solution to just reload at that point?
[15:45] <lotuspsychje> bkurt78: bug #1866844
[15:45] <MikeRL> Should've used a paste but figured it was short enough. Ironically I upgraded to 20.04 early thinking I could avert that package issue.
[15:46] <MikeRL> I'll vote on the bug. That package was broken on eoan, but with a different effect.
[15:46] <bkurt78> lotuspsychje: got it.  Thank you!
[15:47] <bkurt78> I think I'll boot off some recovery media and try the repair steps and if that doesn't work then just reload
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> bkurt78: i got 2.31-0ubuntu5 libc6 now
[15:56] <bkurt78> I just did the repair steps in the bug report and they worked perfectly for me.  Back up and running.  Thank you all for the help.
[15:57] <lotuspsychje> great bkurt78
[16:41] <murphnj> lordcirth_: As requested.....
[16:43] <murphnj> lordcirth_: Just for background, I have the ability to get all the files off of it, and it was there for goofing around and testing stuff, so I'm not recovering critical, irreplaceable data or anything.  I'd just rather learn how to fix it than wash and reload too quickly.
[16:44] <murphnj> I don't want to mess up the Fedora on the other drive though, that one is a little more inportant.
[16:45] <lordcirth_> murphnj, I would look in auth.log first, if you can't login
[16:47] <tomreyn> recovery may still work, since it doesn't usually need to prompt for a password
[16:50] <murphnj> Auth failure, but more interesting:  PAm unable to dlopen /lib/securoty/pam)unix.so No such file or directory.
[16:50] <murphnj> Sadly, can't cut and paste, need auth to log in, and I don't want to break everything on this machine to log in from there.
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> for those who want to reproduce, i filed bug #1867445
[17:08] <murphnj> lordcirth_: I'm heading to the outside world for a few, will return to diagnose if you're still available.
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> welcome jkwiatko
[18:27] <jkwiatko> hello
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> jkwiatko: you are facing bug #1866844
[18:29] <lotuspsychje> and bug #1866844
[18:31] <jkwiatko> ah thank you will read through these now!
[18:42] <murphnj> lordcirth_: I'm back.  Any ideas?
[18:43] <murphnj> Interesting, I don't seem to have a /lib/security folder at all.
[18:43] <murphnj> That seems pretty bad.
[18:46] <murphnj> I'm going to take the step of backing up everything from that machine to a disk.
[19:00] <jkwiatko> Thanks lotuspsychje, that did solve my issue!
[19:56] <murphnj> Anyone else able to help out a bit?  Login fails without asking for password.  auth.log gives an error like  'PAM unable to open /lib/security/pam_unix.so' and indeed there is NO directory /lib/security.  Worked earlier, ran an update, and there was an error, but I ran a suggested "fix-broken" sort of thing from apt.  The failed packages looked simiar to what ubottu reported at 14:28. (If I recall
[19:56] <murphnj> correctly)
[20:00] <lordcirth_> murphnj, I'm not sure what's up
[20:01] <murphnj> The fact that /lib/security is gone is strange, seems like the failed upgrade removed something, but didn't replace it.
[20:02] <lordcirth_> Here on 18.04, I don't have a /lib/security, though
[20:02] <murphnj> Luckily, this was there to try new things.  I guess I'll give it a little more elbow grease, then I may be trying re-installing. :)
[20:02] <lordcirth_> But apt-file search says: virtualbox-guest-utils: /lib/security/pam_vbox.so
[20:03] <murphnj> It looks like PAM is looking for it.  I do, however have Virtualbox installed on it.
[20:03] <murphnj> lordcirth_: I don't ask questions that are easy most of the time.  I only bring the tricky ones.
[20:04] <lordcirth_> murphnj, does "apt-file search /lib/security/pam_unix.so" find anything on your system?
[20:05] <murphnj> I can't boot into ubuntu at all.  My view into the filesystem and logs is through Fedora on another drive.
[20:05] <lordcirth_> murphnj, You can chroot in, though
[20:06] <murphnj> I can try
[20:07] <murphnj> If I remove all of the password from /etc/shadow for that account, will the account log in without password?
[20:07] <lordcirth_> No, it will be locked, I think
[20:07] <murphnj> Where should I chroot from?  cd to the root of that drive then chroot . ?
[20:08] <lordcirth_> however, if you boot into recovery, you can normally get a root shell without a login
[20:08] <lordcirth_> Your working directory doesn't matter, just chroot to the root of the drive
[20:11] <murphnj> apt-file fails
[20:11] <murphnj> After the chroot
[20:14] <lordcirth_> fails how?
[20:29] <murphnj> I don't know if it is installed, the message is from "command-not-found"
[20:29] <murphnj> It seems apt
[20:29] <murphnj> sees apt
[20:33] <Bashing-om> !info apt-file | murphnj
[20:36] <murphnj> I tried to install apt-file, and got the following amongst the errors.
[20:37] <murphnj> libc-bin : Depends : libc6 <2.31) but 2.31-0ubunru5 is to be installed
[20:38] <murphnj> A few others like this, ending with Unmet Dependencies. try apt --fix-broken install
[20:38] <murphnj> Which sounds a lot like what I got on the update I ran, and then did what they suggested (the --fix....)
[20:38] <murphnj> Right before I got here.
[20:41] <murphnj> It looks like apt-file is not installed by default
[20:41] <Bashing-om> !info libc6
[20:41] <murphnj> I also don't have a /lib/security on my other Ubuntu machine.
[20:43] <murphnj> So I guess that is not the problem, despite the error message.
[20:45] <Bashing-om> murphnj: ' apt policy libc-bin ' ??
[20:48] <murphnj> Installed: 2-30-0ubuntu3
[20:48] <murphnj> Candidate: 2.31-0ubuntu5
[20:49] <murphnj> Are you looking for more?  (I have to type the results across)
[20:52] <Bashing-om> murphnj: Kinda leary to mess about here as " apt show libc-bin " indicates exercise extreme caution.
[20:53] <murphnj> I have little to lose.  Data is backed up, machine is not supporting anything important. :)
[20:53] <murphnj> If it were important, I would have backed up more thoroughly, if it was important ot get running right away, I would have washed and reloaded alreasy.
[20:57] <Bashing-om> murphnj: One can take a poke at it ' sudo apt install libc6 '. see what the package manager screams about.
[20:58] <Bashing-om> murphnj: Maybe better as ' sudo apt install --reintall libc6 ' ?
[20:58] <Bashing-om> --reinstall**
[21:01] <murphnj> it failed, libc-bin, libc-dev-bin, libc6-dbg, and libc6-dev all want libc6 2.30, but 2.31 is to be installed.
[21:02] <murphnj> It looks like my accepting of the --fix-broken-packages move (suggested by the apt update) really did things in.
[21:05] <Bashing-om> murphnj: "2.31-0ubuntu5" is the current version that should be installed . as to what is holding the system to that old 2.30 version, remains to be found.
[21:08] <murphnj> hmmmm.  I just installed (to contribute to a team) the folding@home client
[21:08] <murphnj> I wonder if that could be it.
[21:09] <Bashing-om> murphnj: See what we can find. ' sudo apt update 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999 ; sudo apt upgrade 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999 ' pass the resulting links back here for us to looksee.
[21:12] <murphnj> apt is failing to get out on the network in the chroot.
[21:13] <TJ-> murphnj: use "<IP_ADDRESS>" instead of "termbin.com"
[21:16] <murphnj> First, I want to see the file I'd be putting out there first, so I tried the command piped to a file.  It's not termbin, it's apt that is failing.
[21:16] <murphnj> I can ping by IP, so I could send it, but it's all apt failing name resolution.
[21:17] <TJ-> murphnj: ahh, so from *outside* the chroot do "sudo mount --bind /etc/resolv.conf /$CHROOT/etc/resolv.conf" -- setting $CHROOT appropriately
[21:18] <Bashing-om> murphnj: TJ- is very very sharp - follow his leads.
[21:23] <murphnj> https://termbin.com/8g46
[21:24] <murphnj> Thanks for all the help, by the way.
[21:24] <murphnj> I missed a '9' at the end of the upgrade one, try ...1j5q
[21:27] <TJ-> murphnj: I can see the problem there, or at least a reason. There's a series of tests that are expected to succeed and aren't doing. We can try to break it down to locate the failing test
[21:30] <TJ-> murphnj: oh! so I was looking at the wrong pastebin
[21:30] <murphnj> TJ-: Not wrong, just half of the picture.
[21:31] <TJ-> murphnj: ahh
[21:31] <TJ-> murphnj: what version does "apt list libc6-bin" report as installed ?
[21:32] <Bashing-om> TJ-: murphnj may I suggest that libc6-dbg and libc6-dev be removed ?
[21:34] <TJ-> looking at the changelog seems like there's been some churn this week that has caused this https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/g/glibc/glibc_2.31-0ubuntu5/changelog
[21:36] <TJ-> murphnj: oh I see the problem, doh! You're in a chroot and haven't mounted /dev and possibly other required kernel file-systems
[21:36] <TJ-> murphnj: the error about unable to create /dev/null gives it away
[21:38] <Bashing-om> TJ-: ^^ there is a reason why I look over your shoulder: " create /dev/null" had me wondering !
[21:38] <TJ-> murphnj: when setting up a chroot of a full system install you need to do e.g. " TARGET=/target; for n in proc sys dev etc/resolv.conf; do sudo mount --rbind /$n $TARGET/$n; done; chroot $TARGET mount -a; chroot $TARGET "
[21:39] <TJ-> sometimes even need to add the /run/ directory too
[21:41] <murphnj> I'll try it.
[21:41] <murphnj> Sorry, I've been jumping between this and the Libreplanet talks.
[21:42] <murphnj> So in the above command is it as-is, or is TARGET and target supposed to be substituted with something.  I'm not clear on that.
[21:43] <murphnj> I haven't had to do this on the regular, so I'm learning new things.
[21:43] <TJ-> murphnj: you set TARGET=/whereever/you/want/to/mount/the/rootfs
[21:43] <TJ-> murphnj: I use /target because that is what the Debian/Ubuntu installer uses by default
[21:43] <TJ-> murphnj: of course that directory must exist/be created
[22:09] <murphnj> Ok, I'm already in a chroot, so I have to crete a new location,
[22:09] <murphnj> create a directory, and go from there?
[22:13] <TJ-> murphnj: exit the chroot, remove any mounts you've made inside it, and start again
[22:14] <murphnj> I got a lot of fails -
[22:14] <murphnj> Let me recheck what I typed.
[22:16] <murphnj> So I also have to create all of the mount points under target?
[22:20] <murphnj> I did that and took out /etc/resolv.conf, (becuase it failed)
[22:20] <TJ-> murphnj: no, do not have to create mountpoints
[22:21] <murphnj> I am getting "chroot failed to run command ' mount': no such file or dir  (and then the same fior /bin/bash)
[22:21] <TJ-> let's say your root-fs you want to work on is on /dev/sdz9
[22:22] <TJ-> so, you'd do "sudo mkdir /target; sudo mount /dev/sdz9 /target; for n in proc sys dev etc/resolv.conf; do sudo mount --rbind /$n /target/$n; done; sudo chroot /target mount -a; sudo chroot /target" --- now you're in the correctly mounted target as 'root' and can work
[22:22] <murphnj> I misunderstood
[22:22] <murphnj> I have to go in a few minutes, let me give this one more shot.
[22:23] <murphnj> Ok seems to have worked.
[22:24] <TJ-> murphnj: now you might be able to get "apt -f install" to solve things
[22:25] <murphnj> It is giving many scary warnings.
[22:25] <murphnj> But I fear not.
[22:25] <TJ-> murphnj: capture them :)
[22:25] <murphnj> Halted, too many errors.
[22:26] <TJ-> murphnj: you can do things like "apt -f install &| tee /tmp/apt.log" then when it stops, "pastebinit /tmp/apt.log" and give us the URL
[22:27] <murphnj> DO you mean for that & before the |
[22:28] <TJ-> Yes - it causes both stdout and sterr to be piped to 'tee' so you capture both
[22:29] <murphnj> Certificate error with pastebinit
[22:30] <murphnj> It gave an unspecified token error.
[22:30] <TJ-> sounds weird; OK do "cat /tmp/apt.log | nc termbin.com 9999 "
[22:31] <murphnj> nc command not found
[22:31] <TJ-> blimey, that root-fs you're chroot-ed into seems rather badly broken!
[22:31] <murphnj> I may have to leave, and try to pick this up later.
[22:32] <murphnj> Ubuntu's update (and subsequent suggestion to resolve it) really did me in.
[22:32] <murphnj> I'm going to be sure to keep better backups, luckily I was able to mount the partition and get everything off, and wasn't really counting on it.
[22:33] <murphnj> fdy2
[22:33] <murphnj> It was nc.openbsd
[22:33] <murphnj> There must be an alias missing somewhere
[22:34] <TJ-> yes, there should be a symlink via /etc/alternatives/ from /usr/bin/nc to it
[22:34] <TJ-> readlink -e /usr/bin/nc
[22:34] <TJ-> /usr/bin/nc.openbsd
[22:35] <murphnj> I have to leave.  I'll leave the window open, thanks for the help, if you're around later, I'll try to ping you.
[22:36] <TJ-> it's 22:30 here so someone else will likely be around, but I'll be asleep!
[22:38] <murphnj> TJ-: Thank you for all of your help.  I doubt someone is going to be able to pick this up fom the middle.
[22:38] <TJ-> well, you're in a stable chroot now which'll help. Let them know that :)
[22:38] <TJ-> grabbing that apt.log will help enormously
[22:38] <murphnj> We'll see.
[22:38] <murphnj> Thanks.


[12:34] <verdeter_> http://verdeter02.skyblog.com
[12:53] <terrex> hi
[03:28] <sivang> ogra: yo, edubuntu meeting is up right?


[22:39] <jcastro> anyone from the IRC council handy? or an OP?
[22:40] <k1l> for which channel?
[22:41] <jcastro> any of the support ones
[22:41] <jcastro> basically, the forums are down due to a security breach
[22:41] <k1l> o/
[22:41] <jcastro> and I just wanted to let people know to probably expect higher than normal traffic
[22:41] <k1l> yeah, we already saw that :)
[22:42]  * jcastro nods
[22:43] <k1l> thanks for the communication between the teams. i put your statement int the ops-team channel
[22:43] <k1l> ,too


[01:45] <hallyn> arges: jdstrand:
[01:45] <hallyn>    - d/rules,control: Enable use of lttng for userspace tracing.
[01:45] <hallyn>  -- James Page<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Fri, 13 Mar 2015 07:42:45 +0000
[01:45] <hallyn> jamespage: ^  this is causing trouble (bug 1434999 )...
[01:47] <hallyn> meh, i think a deny rule is going to be the way to go
[01:49] <hallyn> i don't think removing the dependency is going to be acceptable
[01:51] <sarnold> at least the deny could be undone locally if someone wanted to use the tracing capabilities
[01:51] <sarnold> rebuilding to put it back would be a lot more effort
[02:33] <hallyn> yeah.  ok, i guess i'll go ahead and push with that fix
[02:34] <hallyn> hm, but what's the path
[02:34] <hallyn> /dev/shm/lttng* ?
[02:37] <hallyn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10692865/
[02:53] <hallyn> weird thing is it seems like every error message documented is lttng-ust-wait-5.  something magical about 5?
[02:56] <hallyn> oh, there is - ./include/lttng/ust-abi.h:45:#define LTTNG_UST_ABI_MAJOR_VERSION                5
[02:57] <hallyn> smb: i pushed a (trivial) libvirt update, just fyi
[03:25] <sarnold> hallyn: ah, thanks, that -5 was driving me crazy :)
[03:28] <hallyn> i still left it as lttng-ust-wait-* in case major version changes :)
[03:29] <sarnold> having seent oo much of python-[123].[5678901234].. kinds of things, a nice * is sometimes perfect :)
[03:31] <hallyn> all right, to bed with me - \o
[03:32] <sarnold> nn
[04:15] <jdstrand> hallyn: interesting-- I was under the impression that the denial was causing vms to not start. I'm of course fine with an explicit deny if it is a harmless denial
[14:08] <hallyn> jdstrand: oh, maybe i misunderstood.
[14:08] <hallyn> if that's the case then i don' tknow how to handle it.
[14:08] <hallyn> i don't think disabling it in ceph will be acceptable


 I get it...
[02:09] <crimsun> =]
[04:22] <th1a> popey: Do you have a SchoolTool question?
[05:59] <HedgeMage> crimsun: you weren't active when I peeked :P
[07:00] <bimberi> hi HedgeMage
[07:01] <HedgeMage> what's up?
[07:01] <bimberi> 15:00 here, so should be awake :)
[07:01] <bimberi> Our football team (Socceroos) made it to the 2nd round of the World Cup
[07:01] <bimberi> \o/
[07:02] <bimberi> but not much that's ontopic ;)
[07:02] <HedgeMage> hehe
[07:03] <HedgeMage> it is in ##world-cup-2006 IIRC
[07:03] <HedgeMage> :)
[07:03] <HedgeMage> :)
[07:06] <HedgeMage> wb
[07:06] <HedgeMage> connecton problems?
[07:07] <bimberi_> sortof, this (dialup) isp resets connections after 6 hours - got to work about 9:00 today
[07:08] <HedgeMage> ahh
[07:11] <bimberi_> HedgeMage: thanks for the ##world-cup-2006 tip, i might call in there during our next game, although it's at 12:30am Tuesday morning here :/
[07:12] <HedgeMage> heh
[07:23] <cbx33> Boo !
[07:23] <cbx33> hi HedgeMage
[07:24] <HedgeMage> hiya cbx33 !
[10:12] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: are you busy?
[10:15] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: what's being discussed there?
[10:19] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: we're not discussing anything at the moment
[10:20] <highvoltage> i'm just fleshing out the gdm-guest-login wiki page
[10:20] <jsgotangco> lol nice
[10:20] <highvoltage> we're going to discuss it at 11, if you'd like to join us
[10:21] <jsgotangco> probably we're just discussing g-a-i here at the moment trying out some new glade mockups
[10:21] <highvoltage> great :)
[10:57] <Amaranth> i thought the summit was over?
[10:58] <LaserJock> no
[10:58] <LaserJock> this is the last day
[11:00] <spacey> any idea where can i find stats about shipped breezy cd's and downloads?
[11:00] <spacey> i'm sure it came up somewhere several times
[11:28] <Amaranth> ProgrammingError: SQLite objects created in a thread can only be used in that same thread.The object was created in thread id -1210181408 and this is thread id -1222685776
[11:32] <Amaranth> ffs, this is going to be a PITA
[11:37] <Amaranth> interesting
[11:37] <Amaranth> it looks like this will work if i have a newer sqlite
[12:00] <Amaranth> ah, forking helps, forget threads
[12:24] <Amaranth> i think i'll call that good for now
[12:47] <xwind_> I noticed that there are 2 dhcpd.conf, one in /etc/dhcp3 and another in /etc/ltsp. I am curious on what the dhcp3-server is using. Somebody explain pls.
[12:59] <lucasvo> Amaranth: what is dbus?
[12:59] <Amaranth> lucasvo: IPC mechanism
[01:15] <lucasvo> Amaranth: you are writing a new UI for a proxy server?
[01:16] <Amaranth> i'm creating a proxy server and writing a UI for it
[01:16] <lucasvo> Amaranth: didn't you use willow?
[01:16] <Amaranth> nope, willow was junk
[01:16] <lucasvo> oh
[01:16] <Amaranth> ugly code and legal problems
[01:17] <kbrooks> hey cbx33
[01:18] <Amaranth> lucasvo: in a month i've gotten a working proxy server (with domain and bayesian filtering) and the dbus interface for the UI to use :)
[01:18] <lucasvo> Amaranth: what's the name of your project?
[01:18] <Amaranth> WillowNG
[01:22] <cbx33> Amaranth: well done
[01:23] <kbrooks> heh
[01:24] <kbrooks> 1 month :-)
[01:24] <kbrooks> that's python :-)
[02:16] <cbx33> kbrooks: ping
[02:28] <xwind_> hellowrz! need some help on network-install. I can pxe boot but at the later part of the install, dhcp netcard auto-configuration fails. Why?
[02:29] <lucasvo> xwind_: do you have a working dhcp server?
[02:29] <xwind_> i think so, the fact the i can pxe boot and do the early stage of the install.
[02:29] <lucasvo> oh. you mean in the install.
[02:30] <xwind_> yes, i am trying to do a network install using a xubuntu server on my LAN.
[02:31] <xwind_> dhcp works because the workstation boots the ubuntu-installer through the network card via PXE.
[02:32] <xwind_> however, at the install stage when the network card is being auto-configured, it fails.
[02:35] <xwind_> do u know why there are two dhcpd.conf? One is in /etc/dhcp3 and the other is in /etc/ltsp. Which one is being used by the server?
[03:52] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: stop chating, get back to work ;-)
[03:52] <jsgotangco> meh
[03:53] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: you don't have any specs to work on?
[03:53] <jsgotangco> we're done
[03:53] <jsgotangco> i could alwayd finish up the others at home
[03:53] <LaserJock> look at mine then ;-)
[07:47] <Gadi> hey, can someone here tell me how to disable the thin client user's ability to hibernate the server?
[07:53] <HedgeMage> Gadi: hrm, there was a mailing list discussion on that not long ago
[07:53] <HedgeMage> Gadi: if you search the archives, you should be able to find it
[07:53] <HedgeMage> (I think it was the edubuntu-devel list, no the -user list)
[07:54] <Gadi> thx
[07:56] <HedgeMage> np
[07:57] <Gadi> dont sppose you have a quick link to the archives handy? :)
[07:57] <HedgeMage> ummm, nope, but if you go to lists.ubuntu.com there are links to all the lists in alphabetical order
[07:57] <HedgeMage> edubuntu-devel is the one you want
[07:58] <Gadi> thx++
[07:59] <Gadi> :(  only question - no answers
[07:59] <Gadi> whatever happened to the good ole days, when you could easily break things that work :)
[08:40] <duck-> perhaps someone here would know, are there any instructions anywhere for customizing the ubuntu installation CD for OEM, including but not limited to the addition of new packages?
[08:41] <HedgeMage> Hrm, someone in #ubuntu might know.
[08:42] <duck-> no replies thus far, and comments often get lost.  I know there are fewer average users in here and many involved with the creation of the edubuntu installation CD, thus why I asked here
[08:42] <HedgeMage> hmm
[08:42] <HedgeMage> ogra would know
[08:43] <duck-> ?
[08:43] <HedgeMage> but this is a bad week to ask, most of our folks are in Paris right now at the summit
[08:43] <duck-> oh, ouch
[08:43] <HedgeMage> ogra is our lead developing guru
[08:43] <duck-> i see
[08:43] <HedgeMage> with the big developer summit on right now, the IRC presence is a little sparse
[08:43] <HedgeMage> it'll pick up next week though
[08:43] <duck-> i was just rather hoping for someone to point me to some docs on it...hmm.... ok, i'll ask next week then
[08:43] <HedgeMage> sorry I didn't know more :(
[08:44] <duck-> oh, you've been very helpful though, thanks :)
[08:46] <HedgeMage> np :)
[08:46] <Gadi> just to let you guys know, if you're interested - I tracked down a hack to disable the hibernation:  gnome-poer-manager calls a script in:  /usr/share/hal/scripts/  - set it to chmod -x and you're done
[08:47] <duck-> ouch, certainly is a hack
[08:47] <Gadi> yup
[08:47] <Gadi> wish there was a better way
[08:47] <HedgeMage> that's a good hack to know.  Hopefully there will be a "real" answer soon
[08:48] <duck-> HedgeMage, here is what it says on ubuntu's site about customizations, but not how to contact: "When a situation arises where many users wish to customize their systems in a certain way, a representative should contact the development team to discuss a solution."
[08:48] <duck-> ick
[08:48] <duck-> HedgeMage, here is what it says on ubuntu's site about customizations, but not how to contact: "When a situation arises where many users wish to customize their systems in a certain way, a representative should contact the development team to discuss a solution."
[08:48] <Gadi> well, do any of you guys know an easy way to set global gconf defaults?
[08:48] <HedgeMage> duck-: the devel mailing list is probably your best bed.
[08:48] <HedgeMage> s/bed/bet
[08:48] <duck-> ok, thanks
[08:48] <Gadi> like a global gconf-editor?
[08:49] <duck-> Gadi, running it as root, possibly?  Not sure
[08:49] <Gadi> dont think so
[08:49] <duck-> ok
[08:49] <Gadi> cause, I know there's a gconf key to disable hibernate properly in gnome
[08:50] <Gadi> but I'm no whiz at the gconftool stuff
[09:09] <Gadi> duck-: just checked and slapped head
[09:09] <Gadi> you were right
[09:09] <duck-> hehehe
[09:10] <Gadi> running sudo gconf-editor enables a few options in the File menu
[09:10] <Gadi> to edit globals
[09:10] <Gadi> molto bene - muchas gracias
[09:10] <duck-> :)
[09:26] <EmxBA> hi everyone
[09:27] <HedgeMage> hi EmxBA :)
[09:27] <HedgeMage> we're planning to have a Cookbook meeting sometime the week of July 3-7 is any particular day good or bad for you?
[09:28] <HedgeMage> (won't do the 4th as that is a holiday here)
[11:19] <lucasvo> yeah, switzerand won!
[11:19] <lucasvo> we're in 1/8 finals
[11:57] <HedgeMage> lol


[06:35] <dave6558> Does anyone ever talk in this room
[06:38] <RAOF> Yeah, quite often.
[06:38] <RAOF> More often during the day, for Europe, though ;)
[06:53] <kenvandine> hey RAOF
[07:01] <bryceh_> hi kenvandine
[07:04] <RAOF> Heya kenvandine
[07:07]  * kenvandine wonders how today's release of indicator-datetime is actually buggier than the previous version
[07:07]  * kenvandine is glad it didn't get uploaded
[07:07] <RAOF> Ra raw.
[07:07] <RAOF> Buggier?
[07:08] <kenvandine> crashes more often, randomly doesn't show appointments
[07:08] <kenvandine> and most of the preferences dialog flickrs between being sensitive and insensitive
[07:08] <kenvandine> nothing like a check box you can't click fast enough :)
[07:08] <RAOF> Ah.  So buggier by being less consistently broken? :)
[07:09] <kenvandine> right :)
[07:09]  * kenvandine isn't going to sponsor this :-D
[07:09] <RAOF> Mine is nice and consistent.  The indicator *never* works :)(
[07:09] <kenvandine> hehe
[07:09] <kenvandine> it has been working pretty well on my laptop
[07:09] <kenvandine> but crashing constantly on my desktop
[07:10] <kenvandine> but with today's version it is just whacked out on both :-D
[07:11] <RAOF> Aaaargh.  Brain melting runtime-patched dispatch assembly!
[07:12] <RAOF> No-one will notice if libGL accidentally breaks unrelated code on IA32, right?
[07:19] <RAOF> Wah?  The dynamic loader handles loading modules with the initial-exec tls class?
[07:22] <didrocks> good morning
[07:22] <didrocks> evilvish: hey, around?
[07:23] <RAOF> Crazy morning, didrocks!
[07:24] <didrocks> hey RAOF o/
[07:24] <didrocks> RAOF: so, putting the GPU in the oven worked!
[07:24] <RAOF> Sweet!
[07:24] <didrocks> it's kind of scary :)
[07:26] <RAOF> Also scary: IA32 assember.
[07:28] <evilvish> didrocks: hey..
[07:28] <didrocks> RAOF: heh :)
[07:28] <didrocks> evilvish: hey, how are you?
[07:28] <evilvish> didrocks: fine here, thanks :) .. and you ?
[07:29] <didrocks> evilvish: quite happy to be back on my laptop et not on a netbook anymore :)
[07:29] <evilvish> haha!
[07:29]  * didrocks hopes it's the last time he does an unity hacking + release on his netbook
[07:30] <didrocks> evilvish: I was wondering about the new nautilus icons
[07:30] <didrocks> is it on purpose?
[07:30] <evilvish> didrocks: nope, thats a scour bug. :)
[07:30] <didrocks> oh ok :)
[07:31] <didrocks> as it was quite at the same time than the default favorite change we made
[07:31] <evilvish> didrocks: bug 702423
[07:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 702423 in scour "Scour corrupts icons with gradients" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/702423
[07:31] <didrocks> ok :)
[07:31] <didrocks> evilvish: thanks a lot for the info :)
[07:31] <evilvish> didrocks: np.. pitti said we'll rebuild humanity once that bug is fixed
[07:32] <didrocks> yeah, unity will be needed as well
[07:32] <didrocks> (for the trash and places)
[07:32] <didrocks> actually, I like the trash that way :)
[07:32] <evilvish> ;p
[07:32] <evilvish> matches the dock color, eh? ;)
[07:32] <evilvish> dash*
[07:32] <didrocks> yeah ;)
[07:33] <evilvish> bah, is it springboard, now?
[07:33]  * evilvish needs to keep up!
[07:33] <didrocks> well, in the code, it wil always be launcher :)
[07:33] <didrocks> launcher/springboard has to coexist I guess ;)
[07:33] <evilvish> :)
[07:38] <pitti> Good morning
[07:38] <pitti> didrocks: oven> awesome -- reliable unreliability!
[07:38] <didrocks> pitti: heh, yeah!
[07:38] <didrocks> good morning pitti
[07:43] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[08:19] <pitti> Sweetshark: don't be scared about the reject message for oo.o 1:3.3.0-6ubuntu1; I source-NEWed -7ubuntu1
[08:21] <Sweetshark> pitti: k
[08:25] <didrocks> slomo: is gstreamer0.10-editing-services a new package?
[08:30] <slomo> didrocks: yes
[08:30] <didrocks> slomo: ok, maybe it need a quick FFe, pitti? What's your take on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/733105 ?
[08:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 733105 in ubuntu "Sync gstreamer0.10-editing-services 0.10.1-1 (universe) from Debian experimental (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[08:35] <pitti> hey slomo
[08:35] <pitti> do we need that for anything?
[08:35] <pitti> no objection (it's very little effort to sync), I'm just curious
[08:36] <slomo> pitti: pitivi will probably depend on it soon and this might make things easier for developers
[08:37] <pitti> slomo: thanks
[08:39] <mvo> didrocks: thanks for alt-f2! but of course I have a bugreport ;) most(?) of the time when I type alt-f2 then e.g. xterm and press enter nothing happens, it seems I need to naviagte to the item first or something?
[08:40] <didrocks> mvo: oh? no, normally enter should select the first item
[08:40] <didrocks> mvo: when you press enter, has the first item aready appeared?
[08:45] <mvo> didrocks: aha, I think thats it, I type too quick. if e.g. i type "gnome-terminal" wait for a littlle bit until its there and hit enter its fine. but if I type "xterm" then (quickly) and press enter it launches gnome-terminal :)
[08:45] <mvo> waiting a little bit with the enter makes it work correctly
[08:45] <didrocks> mvo: yeah, we need to add some love in the place unity-side (you can only run entries right now)
[08:46] <didrocks> so, no stress, take your time typing it for now :)
[08:47] <mvo> haha
[08:47] <didrocks> slomo: pitti: thanks
[08:47] <mvo> its all part of a "relax-at-your-job" plot
[08:47] <didrocks> exactly!
[08:50] <zyga> good morning
[08:50] <zyga> I sometimes get double indicators on natty
[08:51] <zyga> is it a know bug?
[08:51] <zyga> mvo, do you want a bug report for the s-c segvfault?
[08:52] <mvo> zyga: its reported as bug #259219 a ELF issue apparently with libgl1
[08:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 259219 in mesa "Broken TLS support in libGL.so" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259219
[08:53] <zyga> mvo, I see, thanks
[08:53] <zyga> gl? :-) software center 3d ?
[08:53] <mvo> zyga: and s-c is not the only thing affected, as a workaround you can ld_preload libstdc++
[08:53] <mvo> zyga: haha, no, it just used by some of the dependencies :)
[08:54] <zyga> mvo, LD_PRELOAD=libstdc++ software-center?
[08:55] <mvo> LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 software-center
[08:56] <zyga> mvo, ah, it works, thanks
[09:03] <mvo> yw
[09:08] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[09:09] <bryceh_> morning chrisccoulson
[09:10] <glatzor> morning mvo
[09:10] <chrisccoulson> hi bryceh_
[09:11] <bryceh_> heya glatzor
[09:16] <mvo> hey glatzor
[09:16] <pitti> hey glatzor, wie gehts?
[09:19] <glatzor> fine pitti ! Thanks and yourself? I am currently on vacations!
[09:19] <pitti> glatzor: I'm great, thanks
[09:21] <chrisccoulson> wow, i've just seen the news
[09:33] <pitti> mvo: bug 711297 sounds like it's being fixed on the server side, but there's an ubuntu package task?
[09:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 711297 in software-center "[master] "APIError: 500" when submitting review on utf8 appnames" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/711297
[09:35] <pitti> didrocks: hm, why did you close bug 722946? I don't see a new git in the archive?
[09:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 722946 in git "git post-installation script fails if emacs and git is being installed at the same time." [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/722946
[09:35] <didrocks> pitti: hum? I tried to do a mass-sync --flush-syncs
[09:35] <pitti> ah, perhaps in limbo
[09:36] <didrocks> oh and I closed that one because the new version is fixing it
[09:36] <didrocks> let me check
[09:36] <pitti> didrocks: yes, but only -3 (which needs to be synced)
[09:36] <didrocks> yeah, I synced it…
[09:37] <ogra_> sigh, evolution --express turned into something completely unusable in natty
[09:37] <didrocks> hum
[09:37] <didrocks> weird
[09:37] <didrocks> ogra_: that's why we didn't switch it on by default as it was planned
[09:37] <mvo> pitti: indeed, that one is fixed, thanks!
[09:37] <didrocks> pitti: ok, seems that 2 syncs weren't processed
[09:37] <pitti> mvo: cool, thanks! you'll close it?
[09:37] <mvo> yep, done
[09:37] <didrocks> pitti: I'm checking them and try to discover what wrong I did
[09:37] <pitti> didrocks: ok, cheers
[09:37] <seb128> hey pitti mvo
[09:37] <seb128> lut didrocks
[09:37] <ogra_> didrocks, the version in maverick was awesome, why did they make such a huge amount of really bad design changes
[09:37] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[09:38] <mvo> hey seb128
[09:38] <didrocks> salut seb128
[09:38]  * ogra_ is depressed
[09:38] <didrocks> ogra_: I don't know, I discussed that with them some weeks ago
[09:39] <didrocks> pitti: oh, the 2 it didn't sync are the ones where AA wasn't subscribe
[09:39] <didrocks> despite me putting the 2 in the syncs.txt file for mass-sync input
[09:39] <didrocks> there is maybe a filter :)
[09:45] <zyga> ogra_, what's up?
[09:45] <didrocks> pitti: should be ok now
[09:45] <pitti> cool, thanks
[09:45] <ogra_> zyga, you mean above or was that a ping ? :)
[09:45] <zyga> ogra_, the former, are you an unhappy evolution user?
[09:46] <ogra_> zyga, no, just a very very very uhappy evolution --express user ;)
[09:46] <ogra_> in normal mode it's all fine
[09:46] <zyga> ah I never use that
[09:46] <zyga> I got fed up with normal evolution log ago
[09:47] <ogra_> but the express UI turned into a pile of tabs, you need to wildly click until your fingers hurt to read 50 mails
[09:47] <ogra_> (and then indeed close all these open tabs again)
[09:48] <seb128> pitti, do you know how what component is the bug that leads ck to list system users?
[09:48] <zyga> ogra_, I just tried --express and normal on my natty netbook, express had broken account setup (you need to provide account password to continue, no express did not fit my screen)
[09:48] <ogra_> its the most ridiculous UI change i have seen in some years
[09:48] <seb128> pitti, how what-> on what
[09:48] <zyga> ogra_, evolution always felt like windows 2000 advanced server settings panel, slow, buggy and ugly
[09:49] <ogra_> it works fine in normal mode for me and i like it
[09:49] <seb128> could you troll on some other channel?
[09:49] <ogra_> seb128, sorry
[09:49] <seb128> that's not really the right spot for that
[09:49] <seb128> ogra_, your comments are fine
[09:49] <seb128> zyga's are not
[09:49] <seb128> he doesn't like it that's ok but there is no need to troll here
[09:49] <zyga> ogra_, I got burned by loosing my entire history/inbox a few times
[09:50] <zyga> seb128, I'm sorry if it sounds like trolling, that was not my intent
[09:50] <seb128> don't call something slow and buggy then
[09:50] <seb128> it's your opinion but not really constructive
[09:51] <didrocks> mvo: about https://code.launchpad.net/~acarpine/app-install-data-ubuntu/fix-640524-666605/+merge/52956 are those files extracted in some way from our desktop files?
[09:52] <zyga> seb128, if by constructive you mean being able to fix it then I agree, my comments did not help, EOT as far as I'm concerned
[09:52] <mvo> didrocks: yeah, ideally they should be fixed in the app itself
[09:52] <mvo> didrocks: uh, that are many changes
[09:53] <seb128> zyga, not really able to fix it but concrete datas rather than opinions made on use of old versions ;-)
[09:53] <chrisccoulson> pitti - do you have any idea how we got the locale-specific firefox searchplugins in to the language packs in lucid and maverick?
[09:53] <seb128> zyga, like evo is clearly not bug free but nobody reported having lost his inbox
[09:53] <chrisccoulson> they're not there in natty now, and i've got no idea how arne used to make that work
[09:54] <ogra_> zyga, and stop judging it when using it on a 256MB beagleboard from SD :P
[09:54] <seb128> zyga, you should perhaps have opened a bug about it rather
[09:54] <chrisccoulson> (i can't find the plugins anywhere)
[09:54] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[09:54] <zyga> seb128, ok, in natty on netbook resolution the wizard does not fit the screen
[09:54] <seb128> chrisccoulson, what did you read in the news?
[09:54] <chrisccoulson> there should be a set of plugins in /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/$(LANGUAGE) for each language pack
[09:54] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, i'm good thanks. how are you?
[09:54] <zyga> seb128, as for loosing data, I don't expect you think every user that finds an issue actually reports it?
[09:54] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm fine thanks
[09:54] <ogra_> zyga, alt+click helps to move it around
[09:55] <chrisccoulson> seb128- the only thing on the news is the earthquake in japan ;
[09:55] <zyga> seb128, for the benefit of the conversation I'll try to setup my imap account on current natty and report any bugs I find
[09:55] <seb128> zyga, no, but how do you want to get those fixed if they are not reported? well anyway quite some people here use evo for years without issues, let's not discuss it for hours
[09:55] <seb128> chrisccoulson, oh ok, read that also
[09:55] <seb128> zyga, thanks, the nb screen issue is known
[09:56] <didrocks> mvo: yeah
[09:57] <zyga> seb128, generally I agree but there seems to be a large population of users that would rather use another client and therefore don't bother trying evolution again (even though perhaps some of the bugs they experienced in the past got fixed)
[09:57] <seb128> zyga, right, and I'm trying to understand what needs to be fixed that create that perception issue
[09:58] <seb128> zyga, I'm not convinced we have a better email client choice either
[09:58] <zyga> seb128, if you consider home users then thunderbird is a good alternative
[09:59] <ogra> ugh
[09:59] <seb128> zyga, out of the fact that it has no calendar or contacts integration with the desktop
[09:59] <ogra> ...or calendar
[09:59] <seb128> or doesn't work with the indicator-messages (though that seems to be worked)
[09:59] <zyga> seb128, in the case I experienced a rebranding would help I think, if you tried something and it did not work (I'm not referring to software here) you generally don't try that again just to see if it's better but choose something else
[09:59] <seb128> or "no calendar or ..." I said
[10:00] <ogra> oops
[10:00] <ogra> :)
[10:00] <seb128> ;-)
[10:00] <seb128> zyga, well I'm sure evo has real issues as well
[10:00] <zyga> seb128, in my perception home users don't use the calendar to plan tasks that much
[10:00] <seb128> not sure what is the best angle though, fix it or improve tb
[10:00] <zyga> seb128, and the integration should be fixed, AFAIR some people from mozilla are working on indicator support
[10:01] <zyga> seb128, callendar is more complex because it requires to use the evo-data-server which seems counter productive
[10:01] <seb128> zyga, well tb is not integrated in the desktop, it doesn't use the tech, doesn't have the same behaviour on theming, has no calendar, no contact integration, no exchange support ... it's a better email client though
[10:01] <zyga> seb128, I agree with what you said
[10:01] <seb128> so it's not an easy discussion ;-)
[10:01] <zyga> seb128, if you don't use those features it's a better client
[10:02] <seb128> we should perhaps have no email client
[10:02] <zyga> seb128, and for home users that's what I think is better
[10:02] <ogra> webmail ftw
[10:02] <aquarius> there's the elementary people's thingy?
[10:02] <seb128> just a launcher which ask if you want to install a corporate solution, an email client or use a web email
[10:02] <ogra> seb128, we have that ;)
[10:02] <ogra> its the default on arm
[10:02] <zyga> seb128, that might be interesting
[10:02] <seb128> ogra, right, I'm just pointing that maybe that's what we should do on the desktop as well
[10:02] <ogra> arm ships the desktop-webmail package
[10:02] <zyga> seb128, + notification for email in the messaging indicator
[10:03] <ogra> and gcal integration for the calendar applet
[10:03] <ogra> (or any webcal)
[10:03] <zyga> ogra, oh, interesting, I did not know we have gcal integration for that, is it feeding evo-data-server in the back?
[10:03] <ogra> no, we dont
[10:03] <seb128> aquarius, the elementary people might be a nice bunch they don't are very reliable maintainer for a codebase you need to stay around maintained for years
[10:03] <aquarius> seb128, a reasonable point. :)
[10:04] <ogra> that was a comment to your last line
[10:04] <seb128> aquarius, they tend to hack for fun and experiment and get bored
[10:04] <aquarius> I am myself using evo rather than their thingy :)
[10:04] <zyga> seb128, I agree wrt elementary - but another aspect is interesting, there seems to be some demand for more email clients
[10:04] <seb128> not really
[10:04] <seb128> there is demand for better ones
[10:04] <zyga> seb128, that's what I meant
[10:04] <zyga> seb128, but if you consider the brand change that's what effectively happens
[10:05] <seb128> the yorba guys were considering starting one as well
[10:05] <aquarius> speaking of evolution, who knows about e-d-s and the python bindings? I can't seem to create new TODO lists from Python (although I can create new TODO *items* from Python).
[10:05] <zyga> seb128, if you fork evo and call it something else with different UI it's just another client
[10:05] <zyga> seb128, as for evolution, it's IMAP still is slower compared to thunderbird, I'm waiting for my inbox to show the first item after a few good minutes of waiting
[10:06] <seb128> zyga, did you pick imap or imap+?
[10:06] <seb128> before you ask yes that's a stupidity, they should hide imap and make imap+ the default
[10:06] <zyga> seb128, I picked the defaults, I'm sure it was IMAP but I did not notice if it was + or ""
[10:06] <seb128> it's the new imap they added last year
[10:06] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - http://i.imgur.com/qwHwY.png ;)
[10:07] <seb128> check in your account preferences
[10:07] <zyga> seb128, I tried this with a gmail account
[10:07] <chrisccoulson> working unity launcher integration \o/
[10:07] <chrisccoulson> (developed by upstream though, not by me)
[10:07] <seb128> chrisccoulson, nice
[10:07] <zyga> chrisccoulson, yay
[10:07] <chrisccoulson> and they have a working messaging menu implementation too
[10:07] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you really want extra work it seems ;-)
[10:07] <chrisccoulson> lol
[10:07] <seb128> i.e you want tb in
[10:08] <seb128> which makes me wonder why I argue, I could just drop evo from my list of things I need to watch ;-)
[10:08] <chrisccoulson> heh :-)
[10:08] <chrisccoulson> or, you could maintain tbird ;)
[10:08] <seb128> nice try
[10:08] <chrisccoulson> lol
[10:08] <seb128> but no way ;-)
[10:09] <seb128> chrisccoulson, joke aside, what is the tb calendar story?
[10:10] <seb128> we really need to define who is the target user there
[10:10] <chrisccoulson> well, there is lightning ;) i need to talk to upstream about that, i would like the calendar to work properly
[10:10] <seb128> like I'm sure most people on that channel are happy to have desktop calendar integration
[10:10] <kklimonda> any idea why doesn't compiz restart itself after the crash?
[10:10] <kklimonda> it crashes *a lot* lately
[10:10] <seb128> i.e remainders and those showing in the indicator
[10:10] <kklimonda> and every time I learn a new way of launching it without accessing terminal ;)
[10:12] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - you should start up a discussion on http://groups.google.com/group/thunderbird-unity about the calendar stuff ;)
[10:12] <seb128> lol
[10:12] <seb128> very active list it seems
[10:12] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[10:12] <seb128> like I would receive a reply from jcastro maybe? ;-)
[10:12] <chrisccoulson> i think there's only about 5 people watching it
[10:13]  * Sweetshark just commited a _huge_ patch to lo-menubar: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/ubuntu/natty/lo-menubar/crashfix/revision/125
[10:13] <chrisccoulson> but, it's probably the 5 people that matter ;)
[10:14] <seb128> right
[10:14] <chrisccoulson> Sweetshark, nice!
[10:14] <seb128> chrisccoulson, well let's deal with later after the freeze etc
[10:14] <chrisccoulson> does that have a high bugs to line number ratio? ;)
[10:14] <seb128> pitti, unping, it's bug #395281
[10:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 395281 in gdm "pam_ck_connector.so is called for non-login sessions" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/395281
[10:16] <Sweetshark> chrisccoulson: guess so. without it Libreoffice crashes on opening the every fifth or sixth document ...
[10:41] <pitti> re
[10:41] <pitti> seb128: sorry, was on the phone; what's up?
[10:42] <pitti> chrisccoulson: sorry, no; we did?
[10:42] <seb128> pitti, you mean?
[10:42] <pitti> chrisccoulson: there was no particular code for this in langpack-o-matic; perhaps the xpi2xpi bits smuggled the search plugins into the translation XPIs?
[10:42] <pitti> seb128: "unping, it's bug ..."
[10:42] <seb128> pitti, the ck ping? I was just trying to find the known bug to duplicate a new "system users is listed by ck-history and show in gdm" bug
[10:43] <pitti> ah
[10:43] <seb128> pitti, it's bug #395281
[10:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 395281 in gdm "pam_ck_connector.so is called for non-login sessions" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/395281
[10:44] <pitti> seb128: yeah, one of these bugs I'd really like to fix, but there's always something with higher prio :(
[10:44] <seb128> well maybe this cycle is the cycle
[10:44] <seb128> seems we are reaching stability early ;-)
[10:45] <pitti> heh, yes
[10:45] <pitti> and I'm actually getting https://bugs.launchpad.net/~pitti/+assignedbugs?orderby=status somewhat under control now
[10:45] <pitti> seb128: speaking of which, weren't you meaning to upload gdm?
[10:46] <seb128> pitti, well I started looking at the bug list and I figured I would sneak some extra backports and fixes in and didn't finish on that yet
[10:46] <seb128> pitti, if you want to get the current trunk in feel free I will do another upload next week
[10:46] <pitti> seb128: ah, right, I forgot about that
[10:46] <pitti> not urgent, I just wondered if something got broken
[10:47] <seb128> no, it's just that gdm has always things that could be fixed it seems ;-)
[10:47] <pitti> heh, yes
[10:47] <seb128> pitti, btw bug #724285 is yours
[10:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 724285 in nautilus "[natty] Nautilus crashes with assertion error on start" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/724285
[10:47]  * pitti sheds a tear for unity keyboard navigation; I can now open most apps with just three keystrokes
[10:47] <pitti> this is sooo god
[10:47] <pitti> good
[10:48] <soren> pitti: orly? How?
[10:48] <pitti> soren: "orly"?
[10:48] <soren> "oh, really" :)
[10:49] <pitti> I don't know if it's zeigeist magic or so, but it seems that I'm mostly lucky with just typing one letter
[10:49] <seb128> pitti, though it doesn't crash here (nautilus)
[10:49] <pitti> like super - d - enter -> opens d-feet
[10:49] <pitti> seb128: should that be reopened? did I break that somehow?
[10:49] <seb128> pitti, but those 'g_bus_unwatch_name: assertion `watcher_id > 0' are due to your "don't automount when screen is locked"
[10:49] <pitti> ah
[10:49] <seb128> pitti, I just reopened
[10:49] <seb128> we got new duplicates
[10:49] <pitti> seb128: please assign it to me then
[10:50] <soren> pitti: Ah, cool.
[10:50] <seb128> pitti, it's already one
[10:50] <seb128> done
[10:50] <seb128> pitti, well at least the warning is easy to get, just run nautilus on a command line
[10:50] <seb128> while it's already running in the session
[10:50] <pitti> "nautilus -q" spews out the warning on the CLI, yes
[10:50] <seb128> I didn't try in a session without it running
[10:51] <pitti> it doesn't crash for me, though, so I didn't notice
[10:51] <pitti> but yes, seems easy enough to fix, I'll have a look
[10:51] <seb128> pitti, right, the crashes might be another issue
[10:51] <seb128> let's use the bug for the warning to start and see what else comes
[10:51] <seb128> I don't get the crash here
[10:51] <pitti> *nod*
[10:52]  * pitti hugs seb128 for taking care of the bug list
[10:52]  * seb128 hugs pitti for taking care of the bugs picked out of the list ;-)
[10:53] <pitti> didrocks: oh, thanks for getting the background bug fixed
[10:53] <pitti> not the end of the world, but a nice pet peeve indeed!
[10:57] <seb128> pitti, it's a contributor fix in fact
[10:57]  * seb128 hugs didrocks for the piloting
[10:57] <seb128> I'm happy about my patch selection
[10:57] <seb128> I refiled the sponsoring queue with patches from the launchpad patch queue yesterday
[10:57] <pitti> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ -> 19. go, Didier, go!
[10:57] <seb128> kees sponsored like 5 and didrocks a few extra ones today
[10:57] <pitti> seb128: yeah, it seems the more we sponsor the bigger it gets; perhaps because people actually notice it's working now :)
[10:57] <seb128> nice to see those crash fixes etc going in ;-)
[10:58] <pitti> I'm really happy to see that all but one entry are < 5 days old
[10:58] <seb128> pitti, well in fact yesterday is was my fault, I subscribed sponsors to like 25 bugs
[10:58] <seb128> since the queue was under 10 I figured I would pick some patches and add those to the queue
[10:58] <pitti> FSVO "fault", that's the correct process :)
[10:58] <seb128> so the pilot don't get borred
[10:58] <seb128> we still have a lot of bugs with "patches" in launchpad
[10:59] <pitti> yeah, the shift after mine got it down to 8, having some more to look at is better
[10:59] <seb128> that's going to take a while to clean
[10:59] <seb128> not to mention that launchpad doesn't have patch status so you can't get reviewed patches which are incorrect out of the list
[10:59] <seb128> anyway patch piloting seems working great recently
[10:59] <seb128> let's keep this way ;-)
[10:59] <pitti> I usually uncheck the "patch" check box for them
[11:00] <seb128> I should perhaps do that
[11:00] <seb128> cleansweep guys have been tagging the bugs
[11:00] <seb128> like patch-needswork
[11:00] <bryceh_> seb128, ouch how we gonna reach 0 if we keep adding?  ;-)
[11:00] <seb128> but those still show with an emblem and in launchpad queries
[11:00] <bryceh_> (actually I added a few myself on my day, from the  X patch queue)
[11:00] <seb128> bryceh_, you need to hold the carrot in front of the stick so the horse keeps running :p
[11:01] <bryceh_> yeah, for all the X bugs with patches, I unchecked all the patches that weren't valid for some reason
[11:02] <seb128> I think I will do that for desktop ones as well
[11:02] <pitti> seb128: first that was a banana, second it was an ape, and third the carriage was called "The Incredible Machine"!!!
[11:03] <seb128> pitti, lol
[11:03]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[11:03] <pitti> I loved that game
[11:07] <seb128> didrocks, you can probably let the gwibber ones on the sponsoring queue
[11:07] <seb128> didrocks, kenvandine is piloting today as well, I put them there for him
[11:08] <seb128> kenvandine, you should clean https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+patches
[11:08] <seb128> ;-)
[11:12] <seb128> pitti, bug #732973
[11:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 732973 in apport "apport-gtk crashed with AttributeError in __getattr__(): 'gi.repository.Gtk' object has no attribute 'require_version'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/732973
[11:16] <pitti> seb128: I already fixed that, will look
[11:17] <seb128> pitti, yeah, I'm just mentioned it because I though that was fixed before your uploaded the new pygobject
[11:17] <seb128> in case that was a case your overlooked or something
[11:17] <pitti> I'll check; the report has the latest version
[11:17] <pitti> (sorry, @phone again)
[11:23] <didrocks> seb128: oh ok…
[11:24]  * didrocks misses the IRC ping, thaks for the dual monitor :)
[11:24] <seb128> didrocks, ;-)
[11:24]  * didrocks hugs seb128 back, few minutes late :)
[11:24] <didrocks> thanks*
[11:42] <pitti> didrocks: "strip alt+F2 from gnome-panel (if needed) and integrate into unity (or external binary)" -> want to have the honor of closing this WI? :)
[11:43] <didrocks> pitti: oh right!
[11:43] <didrocks> pitti: let me do it with a great pleasure :)
[11:43]  * pitti hugs didrocks
[11:43]  * didrocks hugs pitti
[11:43] <pitti> didrocks: while you are at it: "get some plugins to be linked statically" -> is that still an issue?
[11:44] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, this will be next step for smspillaz once he's finished on some annoying bugs
[11:45] <pitti> ok, so keeping then, thanks
[11:46] <didrocks> done
[11:49] <pitti> Sweetshark: these four packages are currently NBS: openoffice.org-help-hi openoffice.org-help-sk openoffice.org-l10n-common openoffice.org-l10n-hi
[11:49] <pitti> Sweetshark: I think we can just remove openoffice.org-l10n-common (will do so now), but should the -hi and -sk ones be covered by the oo.o transitional source?
[11:49] <Sweetshark> pitti: Il take a look
[11:52] <Sweetshark> pitti: hmm, those are explicitly disabled
[11:53] <pitti> Sweetshark: oh, {help,l10n}-hi are natty only, so I think they can go indeed
[11:53] <pitti> Sweetshark: and -sk was only in dapper
[11:53] <pitti> so I guess we can kill them all
[11:54] <Sweetshark> yes
[11:56] <Sweetshark> so there are things still rdepends for {help,l10n}-{hi,sk}?
[11:56] <pitti> nope
[11:56] <Sweetshark> shiny
[11:56] <pitti> they were on the "good to remove" list, I was just wondering if we'd need them for upgrades
[12:00] <pitti> Sweetshark: can you please have a look at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt
[12:00] <pitti> Sweetshark: in particular the "Source and binary demotions to universe
[12:00] <pitti> section
[12:00] <pitti> Sweetshark: there are some oo.o-hyphenation and friends packages there -- should we remove them entirely now, i. e. are they deprecated by your syncs/merges?
[12:03] <pitti> mvo: "Convert to use gsettings" for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdevs-desktop-n-software-center-ui-enhancements, is that still relevant after FF?
[12:08] <mvo> pitti: not, that can be removed, I think we don't actually use gconf at all anymore
[12:09] <pitti> mvo: oh, and I'm curious: "Doesn't launch in <5 seconds on benchmark hardware" -> where are we right now?
[12:09] <pitti> it's about 2 s here, but I guess I don't have the benchmark hw
[12:09] <mvo> pitti: less than 3s with hot cache, cold around 7s on the mini 10
[12:10] <mvo> on the mini with ssd we hit the 5s already
[12:10] <mvo> but I have one with hdd
[12:12] <pitti> wow, great
[12:13] <mvo> yeah :)
[12:14]  * zyga runs natty+unity and noticed something odd, few seconds after logging in all the launcher icons except for the top three (home, firefox and u1) disappear - they are still available and work (including tooltips) but the icons are gone.
[12:19] <dpm> hi pitti, would you fancy doing a hands-on session on adding introspection support to an app for AppDeveloperWeek? I've also contacted tomeu to run a more general one on what GI is
[12:20] <dpm> I think it would be useful to get people to know what GI is and how to use it, now that it's becoming more important
[12:20] <pitti> dpm: you mean for converting a pygtk app to pygi? sure
[12:20] <pitti> when is that?
[12:21] <pitti> dpm: I can cover the introduction as well; it's not that much to say really (unless you want to start hacking on gi itself)
[12:23] <dpm> pitti, yeah. awesome :-). It's in a month's time, from the 11th to the 15th of April - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAppDeveloperWeek/Timetable - re: the introduction, do it in whichever way you like, if you feel another session is needed, feel free to add it
[12:24] <dpm> You can just pick up a slot on the timetable if you like
[12:24] <pitti> dpm: that's the beta-1 week, but I guess I'll have an hour for that
[12:25] <dpm> cool, thanks pitti
[12:26] <pitti> dpm: can I take Tue 16:00?
[12:26] <dpm> pitti, sure!
[12:26] <dpm> Can anyone think of any more cool desktop-y stuff to cover ? Any ideas?
[12:27] <pitti> dpm: added
[12:27] <dpm> excellent, thanks pitti
[12:27] <pitti> dpm: added
[12:37] <Sweetshark> re
[12:53] <seb128> didrocks, you had a "politing day"? what is that? the day where you are polite?
[12:53] <seb128> ;-)
[12:55] <chrisccoulson> lol
[12:56] <chrisccoulson> do we all have to be polite?
[12:57] <Sweetshark> pitti: openthesaurus is still needed. the mythes-de* packages are suggested by libreoffice-l10n-de. Why are they on the list?
[12:58] <didrocks> arghhhhh
[12:58] <didrocks> :)
[12:58] <seb128> didrocks, but I don't get your search and assignement issue
[12:59] <seb128> didrocks, I just typed "ken-vandine" in the assignee field and it worked
[12:59] <didrocks> seb128: ok, I don't really know what happens, let me retry once again
[12:59] <seb128> didrocks, he has a "-" on his lp id, so if you typed "kenvandine" it likely didn't match anything
[12:59] <Sweetshark> pitti: openoffice-thesaurus-{it,pl} are not renamed to mythes-* at debian, but are already suggests by the libreoffice-l10n-* packages
[12:59] <seb128> (got bitten by that before as well)
[13:00] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, I tried again
[13:00] <didrocks> open in the assign task
[13:00] <didrocks> type
[13:00] <didrocks> ken-vandine
[13:00] <didrocks> nothing
[13:00] <didrocks> type in subscribe dialog
[13:00] <didrocks> ken-vandine
[13:00] <didrocks> -> works
[13:00] <didrocks> :/
[13:00] <seb128> it works for me
[13:00] <didrocks> I think ken blacklisted me!
[13:00] <didrocks> :)
[13:01] <seb128> didrocks, are you sure you don't type in the package entry?
[13:01] <didrocks> hum
[13:01] <didrocks> I use the ajax form
[13:01] <seb128> what is the title of the popup you get?
[13:01] <seb128> "Select a Person or Team"?
[13:01] <didrocks> Search for people or teams
[13:01] <Sweetshark> pitti: so it, pl should stay and will be fine when renamed to mythes-*
[13:02] <seb128> and you type "ken-vandine" and click on the icon and it lists nothing?
[13:02] <didrocks> right
[13:02] <seb128> didrocks, can you try to type directly in the text entry ken-vandine and enter
[13:02] <didrocks> in the assignee field, but it seems to be the same dialog in the subscribe one
[13:02] <seb128> without using the ajax
[13:02] <seb128> didrocks, I'm wondering if you lack the rights to assign Ubuntu bugs to people
[13:02] <didrocks> sure, trying without the ajax
[13:02] <seb128> didrocks, ohh, do you do it on the upstream bug? or the ubuntu one?
[13:03] <didrocks> upstream bug
[13:03] <seb128> ok
[13:03] <didrocks> gwibber upstream
[13:03] <seb128> you don't have rights on the gibber product
[13:03] <seb128> that can't work
[13:03] <seb128> the ajax thing is stupid at telling you that you don't have the rights
[13:03] <seb128> got bitten by that before...
[13:03] <didrocks> oh?
[13:04] <seb128> didrocks, well you are not part of the gwibber upstream team
[13:04] <didrocks> so, you can assign right by projects?
[13:04] <didrocks> have*
[13:04] <seb128> didrocks, well, why do you think I ask you to assign unity upstream bugs for me :p
[13:04] <seb128> only owners of the projects can do that
[13:04] <seb128> or set milestones
[13:04] <seb128> or set to triaged
[13:04] <didrocks> seb128: I was thinking it was only bugs status or milestones
[13:05] <didrocks> not assignee
[13:05] <seb128> oh ok, not it's assignee as well
[13:05] <didrocks> nice, learning a new thing everyday :)
[13:05] <seb128> ;-)
[13:05] <didrocks> thanks for digging it! :)
[13:05] <seb128> yeah, putting ken-vandine in the upstream entry and do enter gives a "Constraint not satisfied"
[13:06] <seb128> which is the stupid launchpad way to say that you don't have permissions
[13:06] <seb128> didrocks, you're welcome ;-)
[13:06] <didrocks> ok, I shouldn't really on the ajax dialog :)
[13:06] <seb128> didrocks, btw can you run you unity cleaning script?
[13:06] <didrocks> seb128: you're aware that you are asking for spam? :)
[13:06] <seb128> didrocks, yes ;-)
[13:07] <didrocks> I didn't run it for the last 3 days because of my laptop's game :)
[13:07] <seb128> didrocks, but I want upstream bugs on unity for when their do a round of qa
[13:07] <didrocks> so ok, bug spam ahead!
[13:07] <didrocks> sure
[13:07] <seb128> didrocks, we have a stack of downstream only right now ;-)
[13:07] <seb128> didrocks, thanks!
[13:07] <didrocks> yw :)
[13:12] <mvo> have I actually mentioned that I'm very impressed how well unity/compiz work with nouveau for me? its quite amazing
[13:16] <didrocks> mvo: the experience really depends on hardware chipset, but overall, it seems good :)
[13:22] <kamstrup> mvo: any chance I could get you to add a %U to the Exec line in software center? I need that to get startup notification working from the apps place
[13:27] <and471> mvo: hey, do you know if mpt is on holiday?
[13:28] <mvo> kamstrup: I think this is already in bzr, let me double check
[13:29] <mvo> kamstrup: we have "%u" there currently, you need a capital one too?
[13:30] <kamstrup> mvo: lemme see if it works with a %u as well
[13:31] <didrocks> kamstrup: how does it impact startup notification? Just that you launch the desktop file instead of the command line?
[13:34] <pitti> Sweetshark: suggests: isn't enough to keep a package in main, as they aren't installed by default; so I guess we'll seed them explicitly/
[13:39] <kamstrup> mvo: %u is ok
[13:40] <didrocks> kamstrup: did you see my question? ;)
[13:40] <kamstrup> didrocks: to get SN i need to launch S-C via a GDesktopAppInfo.launch_uris() - and if the .desktop file doesn't have %U or %u the URIs I pass in are just ignored and not passed on the commandline
[13:41] <didrocks> kamstrup: yeah, rather than spawning the command line like now :)
[13:41] <didrocks> thanks ;)
[13:42] <kamstrup> didrocks: indeed - but it also means that the apps place will gain a dep on Gdk :-/ because SN requires a connection to X
[13:42] <and471> mvo, ping
[13:42] <kamstrup> didrocks: so the glib GAppLaunchContext doesn't work - I need a GdkAppLaunchConntext to make it work
[13:42] <didrocks> kamstrup: oh?
[13:43] <didrocks> kamstrup: is it a reported issue?
[13:43] <mvo> and471: hello
[13:43] <mvo> and471: I don't know whats up with mpt, he seems to be pretty busy these days
[13:44] <kamstrup> didrocks: it was reported in Maverick - or at least mentioned in some usability tests, that users got very confused about the 10s of nothing when they clicked an Avail app
[13:44] <and471> mvo: okay thanks. Maybe he is busy with what I am waiting for from him :)
[13:45] <mvo> hehe
[13:45] <mvo> possible :)
[13:46] <mvo> kamstrup: no need for progress reporting anyway as quick as s-c starts these days ;)
[13:47] <kamstrup> mvo: yeah - i've noticed :-) awesome job!
[13:48] <kamstrup> mvo: although S-C gets mighty confused over the fact that I use indicator-network, hence Connman, and not NetworkManager :-)
[13:48] <mvo> oh, yeah, poor thing. I need to look at the conman dbus api to support that as well
[13:48] <mvo> I will try to push the new s-c today, I have one test failure left, otherwise its ready to go
[13:48] <and471> kamstrup: woo indicator-network! :)
[13:49] <didrocks> kamstrup: ok :)
[13:50] <kamstrup> mvo: I have some sample code from Zeitgeist here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~zeitgeist/zeitgeist/storagemonitor2/view/head:/_zeitgeist/engine/extensions/storagemonitor.py#L343
[13:50] <mvo> nice!
[13:51] <kamstrup> mvo: that whole class is (C) Canonical if it matters
[13:52] <mvo> it does
[13:52] <mvo> nice++
[14:13] <seb128> kenvandine, happy pîloting
[14:13] <kenvandine> thx
[14:13] <seb128> kenvandine, you have a bunch of gwibber bugs with patches, not sure if you want those to be added to the sponsoring queue or just review the gwibber list ;-)
[14:13] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:14] <kenvandine> i'll look over them
[14:14] <seb128> thanks
[15:09] <pitti> back in a bit
[16:08] <kenvandine> man i am pretty glad we don't use source package branches for everything... these checkouts can take ages
[16:08] <kenvandine> really adds latency to piloting
[16:22] <kenvandine> maybe i need to learn about these lightweight checkouts i keep hearing about
[16:27] <evilvish> pitti: is there a way to override the apport's "you are not using an Ubuntu package" ?  (i'm trying to report a bug in kernel from maverick beta, but kernel *is* from an actual old ubuntu package)
[16:27] <evilvish> its just that i downloaded and installed the old ubuntu .deb
[16:29] <pitti> evilvish: yes, see man apport-bug -- $APPORT_IGNORE_OBSOLETE_PACKAGES
[16:29] <pitti> (aka. man ubuntu-bug)
[16:29] <evilvish> oh neat! thanks..
[16:30] <pitti> evilvish: testing my new dh_scour against the humanity icons now, BTW
[16:30] <evilvish> awesome! yea, just noticed the comment
[16:30] <evilvish> hehe, several thought that all those icon changes were intentional :D
[16:31] <pitti> they are quite subtle to spot
[16:32] <pitti> I don't see a bug in http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1338581/varie/cc-natty.png
[16:32] <evilvish> some were just color changes, some icons have a much drastic effect, like the nautilus navigation icons one layer of stroke went missing
[16:32] <seb128> kenvandine, it's just an option to bzr checkout, you can easily try
[16:32]  * evilvish looks
[16:32] <seb128> kenvandine, bzr help checkout
[16:32] <kenvandine> seb128, yea...i should have done that before checking out liferea
[16:33] <kenvandine> been going well over 30 minutes now.. hate to stop it now :)
[16:33] <evilvish> pitti: the printer is actually white , user info too, window settings icons are all missing some layer or the other,
[16:34] <evilvish>  the "appearances" icon colors are messed up too
[16:34] <pitti> evilvish: oh, the color of the tie
[16:34] <pitti> I thought red ties were just more fashionable
[16:34] <evilvish> pitti: yea, the border of the white shirt, is not supposed to be orange
[16:34] <pitti>  Original file size: 11018 bytes; new file size: 7413 bytes (67.28%)
[16:34] <pitti> difference: 0.00%
[16:34] <pitti> this thing is still quite effective
[16:35] <pitti> some icons are reduced to 25%
[16:35] <evilvish> seems to compress the file, but changes a lot of the design.. its a artistic script ;p
[16:35] <pitti> kenvandine: do you still have scour workarounds in gwibber, etc.?
[16:35] <pitti> evilvish: with a 0% difference the rendered images are visually identical
[16:37] <evilvish> pitti: for comparison » http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1338581/varie/cc-maverick.png
[16:37] <evilvish> and http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1338581/varie/nautilus-maverick.png
[16:37] <evilvish> if it looks the same, awesome .. :)
[16:37] <kenvandine> pitti, i do
[16:38] <kenvandine> pitti, i'll try to remove it :)
[16:38] <pitti> kenvandine: you can revert that again with the next scour upload :)
[16:38] <kenvandine> awesome
[16:38] <kenvandine> i'll do it over the weekend to make sure it is built and all :)
[16:48] <evilvish> pitti: if you want, you can give me the local .deb before uploading , i can manually check it too..  (or)  you could create a script which converts all the svg ~> png and package those files
[16:49] <pitti> darn, I installed it, but killed the build tree
[16:49] <pitti> looks good again
[16:49] <pitti> 383/2196 have too much difference and were sorted out
[16:50] <evilvish> but i suspect the png wont compress as good as the svgs..  we dont want to increase CD SIZE!!! , do we ? ;p
[16:50] <evilvish> s/CD/ISO
[16:50] <pitti> *nod*
[16:55] <pitti> ok, all uploaded
[17:50] <chrisccoulson> pitti - did you do a langpack update on maverick yesterday?
[17:50] <pitti> chrisccoulson: yes, to -proposed
[17:50] <chrisccoulson> pitti - bug 732768
[17:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 732768 in firefox "ask.com is the only search provider" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/732768
[17:50] <chrisccoulson> (because of the missing localized searchplugins)
[17:50] <pitti> chrisccoulson: is that about the search plugins?
[17:51] <pitti> hmm
[17:51] <pitti> so back to square one
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> the new langpacks leave an empty /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/$(LANGCODE), which firefox uses for the search plugins
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> i wish i knew how arne rolled the searchplugins in to the langpacks :(
[17:52] <pitti> chrisccoulson: were these contained in the translation XPI, or were those separate XPIs?
[17:52] <pitti> chrisccoulson: in the latter case, once we find them we could just add them to po2xpi and be done with it
[17:52] <chrisccoulson> pitti - they're not in the xpi's
[17:52] <seb128> chrisccoulson, drop him an email asking that?
[17:52] <seb128> chrisccoulson, he still comments on bugs sometimes
[17:52] <seb128> chrisccoulson, so he's still around it seems
[17:53] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - yeah, i can do. in the meantime, we need to make sure we don't publish the langpacks to -updates :)
[17:53] <seb128> well, he's on this channel as well ;-)
[17:53] <chrisccoulson> ArneGoetje, ^^ :)
[17:54] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ah, process_lp_export does something like that
[17:54] <pitti>                 if [ -d $DATA_DIR/$application_to_process/searchplugins/$ul ]; then
[17:55] <pitti> but that's gone
[17:55] <pitti> data -> ../mozilla-upstream-locales/
[17:55] <pitti> and that's a dangling symlink
[17:55] <pitti> hm, no asac
[17:55] <pitti> he cared about that stuff
[17:56] <pitti> they aren't in po2xpi proper anyway
[17:56] <pitti> chrisccoulson: so they are missing from natty as well, correct?
[17:57] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yes, but firefox falls back to loading the en-US ones that it ships
[17:57] <chrisccoulson> the reason this doesn't work in maverick is that the language pack leaves an empty folder, rather than no folder
[17:57] <pitti> chrisccoulson: what's an example language which should have a plugin?
[17:59] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ah, zh-CN has one
[17:59] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i think we ship them for all languages. AFAIK, most of them are copies of the en-US plugins we have in firefox (the intention was that we would localize them)
[17:59] <chrisccoulson> yes, zh-CN is a special case
[18:00] <pitti> ah, ok
[18:00] <pitti> chrisccoulson: so I guess I could just extract them from the older maverick packages
[18:00] <pitti> chrisccoulson: so the fallback doesn't work in maverick then?
[18:01] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, no fallback in maverick because of the empty folder
[18:02] <pitti> chrisccoulson: maverick didn't even get new -base packages,
[18:02] <pitti> the original -base packages from final release have them still
[18:02] <pitti> aah
[18:03] <pitti> the previous update packs had them as well (unnecessarily), and they replaced the -base ones
[18:03] <pitti> so they are now gone
[18:03] <pitti> why oh why were they ever in the update pack at all..
[18:03] <pitti> chrisccoulson: ok, so I guess I know what to do now
[18:05] <chrisccoulson> pitti - excellent, thanks :)
[18:05] <pitti> chrisccoulson: for natty, do I need to ship them in every package?
[18:05] <pitti> or is -zh enough?
[18:07] <chrisccoulson> pitti - for now, i guess just zh-CN is sufficient, although I would like to be able to localize these at some point
[18:07] <pitti> chrisccoulson: (as we don't ship the dir at all there)
[18:07] <pitti> chrisccoulson: yes, but then we can add them once we actually have something to add; no need to just copy identical files
[18:07] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that sounds ok
[18:09] <chrisccoulson> at some point, i'm going to set a geographical location parameter in the google search plugins
[18:09] <chrisccoulson> (which will be locale-specific
[18:09] <chrisccoulson> )
[18:14]  * pitti waves good bye, have a nice weekend everyone!
[18:15] <chrisccoulson> have a good weekend pitti
[18:16] <didrocks> enjoy pitti
[18:20] <seb128> pitti, see you ;-)
[18:29] <ari-tczew> ogra: did you look on it? https://code.launchpad.net/~om26er/ubuntu/natty/metacity/metacity-fix-717216/+merge/52199
[18:29] <ari-tczew> someone else from desktop team could look as well ^^
[18:42]  * didrocks waves good night
[19:36] <bcurtiswx> kenvandine, mind helping me test to see if there's a bug in empathy?
[19:36] <kenvandine> sure
[19:36] <kenvandine> there are no empathy bugs :)
[19:36] <bcurtiswx> send me an IM plz
[19:36] <kenvandine> bcurtiswx, btw... i figured out the progress bar thing seems to be a bug in unity :)
[19:36] <kenvandine> sure
[19:37] <bcurtiswx> ah, neat!
[19:37] <kenvandine> i can't get progress bars to work in python either
[19:54] <bcurtiswx> jcastro, can we already request sponsorship for UDS-O ?
[19:54] <broder> bcurtiswx: the form's been up for a while now
[19:54] <jcastro> bcurtiswx: yes, it's been announced for a while now
[19:54]  * bcurtiswx must be on the wrong mailing lists :X hehe, thx
[19:55] <jcastro> bcurtiswx: goto uds.ubuntu.com
[19:55] <jcastro> and follow the instructions?
[19:55] <broder> jcastro: ooc, do you have an estimate for when you guys will be announcing your decisions?
[19:55] <bcurtiswx> im going to right now
[19:55] <jcastro> it should have been sent to -devel or -announce
[19:55] <jcastro> broder: as soon as possible after the deadline (28 March is the deadline)
[19:55] <broder> jono definitely blogged it
[19:55] <bcurtiswx> jcastro, OK, could have ended up in a delete festival at one point. thx tho :)
[19:55]  * broder nods
[19:58] <kenvandine> jcastro, nothing on those mailing lists
[19:58] <kenvandine> just fyi
[19:58] <jcastro> ugh
[19:58] <jcastro> ok I will send something out
[19:59] <kenvandine> :)
[20:01] <seb128> kenvandine, no worry they do it every cycle
[20:01] <seb128> jcastro and the other community guys assume everybody is reading planet and twitter daily ;-)
[20:01] <seb128> so they don't bother with old fashin medias
[20:01] <seb128> fashion
[20:02] <seb128> that's community team for you ;-)
[20:02] <kenvandine> hehe
[20:06] <jcastro> seb128: that's not true
[20:06] <jcastro> I'm not the "announcer of UDS"
[20:06] <jcastro> so don't assume I don't read mailing lists. :p
[20:10] <seb128> jcastro, oh I don't assume that, I just say that you guys can't be bothered about people who don't read planet or twitter or the new hype media is ;-)
[20:10] <seb128> jcastro, that's not the first cycle we have this issue
[20:10] <jcastro> yes
[20:10] <jcastro> it's happened 3 times in a row
[20:10] <seb128> just for the record I didn't know that sponsoring was on either
[20:11] <bcurtiswx> sponsorship request completed
[20:11] <bcurtiswx> my fingers hurt now :P