[01:35] <tazgodx> i can send you my lircrc, i have modified it a little
[01:35] <superm1> tazgodx, no use sending it to me.  file a bug against mythbuntu lirc generator
[01:35] <superm1> i will lose these kidns of things otherwise
[01:36] <superm1> ruh oh?
[01:36] <superm1> directhex, what happened?
[01:36] <Daviey> directhex: JFS or XFS are the recommended types..
[01:36] <directhex> Daviey, well, unrecommend JFS!
[01:36] <Daviey> What happend?
[01:36] <directhex> superm1, random glitch caused my /data/MythTV folder to become eaten by a grue
[01:37] <superm1> yikes.
[01:37] <superm1> freaking grue's.  :(
[01:37] <tazgodx> where do i file bug reports again?
[01:38] <superm1> either launchpad.net/mythbuntu or launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythbuntu-lirc-generator
[01:38] <directhex> unfortunately, retard that i am, i forgot to check /lost+found before doing some database spring cleaning
[01:39] <directhex> so i have 210 files without proper filenames, about 50% of those have "target" filenames i'm trying to determine from file creation/modify dates. the rest i need to rebuild DB entries
[01:39] <directhex> it's only 210 things to do by hand \o/
[01:41] <superm1> so lesson of the day is that we stay away from jfs and reiserfs then eh?
[01:41] <Daviey> reiserfs is just bad, period
[01:41] <Daviey> XFS is what i recommend
[01:44] <directhex> hi ho, hi ho, renamin' rcn's we go
[01:44] <directhex> doode doode dooo doode doodeedee
[01:44] <directhex> hi ho, hi ho hi ho hi ho!
[01:44] <directhex> i'll stick with XFS from now on. format speed be damned
[01:44] <directhex> should've trusted sgi before ibm
[01:45] <directhex> Oct 15 07:36:04 localhost kernel: [1059800.146483]  ERROR: (device sda3): DT_GETPAGE: dtree page corrupt
[01:45] <directhex> that was if. after that, all downhill
[01:51] <tazgodx> anyone know how i can change which input i am watching? i have 3 inputs now, and just curious how i can switch from my analog to my digital cable input
[01:54] <tgm4883> tazgodx, that would be the Y key.  You can also select which channel your watching (and depending on the setup, the tuner) from the guide
[01:55] <tazgodx> from the guide you say huh?
[01:59] <tgm4883> yep
[01:59] <tgm4883> depending on the setup
[02:09] <tazgodx> hmmmm, how to map that to a key on my remote...just which one...
[02:10] <superNoob> hello
[02:10] <tazgodx> *now
[02:11] <superNoob> ok someone showed me how to edit a file but when i rebooted it came back. it was sudu nano x11/xconfig?? or something i edited the file and and it works..how do imake it prermanant
[02:12] <superNoob> hellO?
[02:13] <tgm4883> superNoob, you need to remember were not paid to be in this channel
[02:13] <tgm4883> so we don't sit here eagerly waiting for a question
[02:13] <superNoob> oho
[02:13] <superNoob> ohh sorry.
[02:14] <tgm4883> it would have been
[02:14] <tgm4883> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:14] <tgm4883> and you should have used sudo to edit it right
[02:14] <superNoob> right.
[02:15] <superNoob> Do you know why the line came back? after rebooting?
[02:15] <tgm4883> so what exactly do you mean it came back?
[02:15] <tgm4883> what line?
[02:15] <superNoob> i deleted line virual 1400 .. because my monitor screen moves with mouse
[02:16] <tgm4883> hmm
[02:16] <tgm4883> well it came back because something else put it back there
[02:16] <tgm4883> or because you didn't sudo
[02:17] <superNoob> it started when i changed my video driver.
[02:18] <superNoob> do you think it is set wrong?
[02:18] <tgm4883> well i dont' know what virual 1400 does
[02:18] <superNoob> me either
[02:23] <directhex> okay, 97 recordings fully recovered
[02:23] <directhex> 111 recordings partially recovered
[02:24] <directhex> dealing with the partials is a job for another day
[02:26] <rhpot1991> anyone have any bright ideas for how to find out why a box is randomly locking up lately?
[02:26] <tgm4883> check syslog maybe
[02:26] <tgm4883> what has changed
[02:27] <rhpot1991> well it was doing it randomly before I upgraded to gutsy
[02:27] <rhpot1991> I thought it was from installing kismet, so I removed that and thought it was ok
[02:27] <rhpot1991> but I came home just now to find it locked up and not recording how I met your mother
[02:27] <rhpot1991> :(
[02:28] <rhpot1991> I am currently upgrading the slave backend to gutsy, not that I would think that would do it
[02:28] <rhpot1991> I suspect it might be a hard drive issue, the one drive makes noise sometimes
[02:29] <tgm4883> could very well be
[02:29] <rhpot1991> its the drive that the OS is on too none the less
[02:29] <tgm4883> well just make sure your database is ok
[02:29] <tgm4883> and backed up
[02:30] <rhpot1991> ya
[02:30] <rhpot1991> I have a backup (on the same drive), I should move it somewhere else
[02:30] <rhpot1991> any ideas how you would go about checking a drive for errors?
[02:30] <tgm4883> yes if the drive fails your screwed
[02:30] <tgm4883> SMART?
[02:31] <rhpot1991> I'll have to reboot and see if it is enabled
[02:31] <tgm4883> that or maybe a filesystem check
[02:32] <tgm4883> but i dont know how deep that check would go
[02:33] <rhpot1991> hmmm, gonna have to boot with a live cd to check it
[02:34] <rhpot1991> that is gonna be a pain in the ass with it only hooked up to a tv
[02:34] <tgm4883> why do you need live cd?
[02:34] <rhpot1991> WARNING!!!  Running e2fsck on a mounted filesystem may cause
[02:34] <rhpot1991> SEVERE filesystem damage.
[02:34] <rhpot1991> that
[02:34] <tgm4883> ah
[02:34] <tgm4883> that is true
[02:34] <rhpot1991> damn, db backup is almost 60 megs
[02:35] <tgm4883> That is one thing that usually doesn't get checked often on mythtv systems
[02:35] <tgm4883> since it's set to do it like every 30 times
[02:35] <rhpot1991> ya
[02:35] <rhpot1991> and it only reboots when something gets busted
[02:35] <rhpot1991> or there is a kernel update
[02:38] <rhpot1991> I wonder if it might have to do with deleting not happening soon enough for recordings to save
[02:44] <solarbaby> Im trying to folow some directions written for Fedora..  what is Sysconfig called on Ubuntu?
[02:45] <tgm4883> what does sysconfig do on fedora
[02:45] <tgm4883> if it opens the terminal in gnome, then the command is gnome-terminal
[02:45] <solarbaby> here's the refrence
[02:46] <solarbaby> In /etc/init.d/irblaster, replace every instance of "lircd" by "irblaster". Then put this into /etc/sysconfig/irblaster:
[02:48] <MitoTranin> tgm4883: I have an annoyance for you that you just might know the answer too
[02:48] <tgm4883> k
[02:48] <tgm4883> 42
[02:48] <MitoTranin> nopoe
[02:48] <MitoTranin> *nope
[02:48] <MitoTranin> wrong answer
[02:48] <MitoTranin> can we try again?
[02:48] <tgm4883> 42 is never wrong
[02:48] <MitoTranin> this time with me asking first?
[02:48] <MitoTranin> :)
[02:48] <therethinker> 28
[02:48] <tgm4883> it's the i ching
[02:48] <tgm4883> ok shoot
[02:49] <MitoTranin> I have my mythtv keeping it's recordings on a network storage
[02:49] <MitoTranin> it's done it before without problems
[02:49] <MitoTranin> this time though, and every time with mythbuntu that is, the lockfile is never removed
[02:49] <MitoTranin> I manually make sure that there is no lockfile, startup myth-backend, and everything works
[02:50] <MitoTranin> I close/stop mythbacked and the lockfile doesn't get deleted
[02:50] <MitoTranin> this makes it so that the next time mythbackend is started, it crashes out because there is already a lockfile, thus it thinks it's already running.
[02:51] <MitoTranin> I've already checked and made sure that the network storage is being mounted read/write, and it is, because from the backend server I can remove the file without problems
[02:51] <tgm4883> when you stop it, do you verify that it actually stopped?
[02:51] <MitoTranin> so I thought maybe that user couldn't delete it...
[02:51] <MitoTranin> well... when I tell it to stop a 2nd time it says that no pid found
[02:52] <tgm4883> ok
[02:52] <tgm4883> how about a restart when running, does that work?
[02:52] <MitoTranin> ok, so my next thought
[02:52] <MitoTranin> was that the mythtv user couldn't delete the file
[02:52] <MitoTranin> so I su'd to the mythtv user and removed the file without problems
[02:52] <MitoTranin> so now I'm lost :)
[02:52] <MitoTranin> restart does the same thing
[02:52] <tgm4883> same thing as in doesn't work?
[02:52] <MitoTranin> it stops it, doesn't delete the lockfile, and then it says it starts, but it doesn't
[02:53] <tgm4883> ok
[02:53] <MitoTranin> (it starts, but then crashes due to lockfile)
[02:53] <tgm4883> what are the permissions on that lock file?
[02:53] <tgm4883> and what kind of share is this?
[02:53] <MitoTranin> -rw-r--r-- 1 1003 nogroup        0 2007-10-15 18:20 nfslockfile.lock
[02:53] <MitoTranin> samba share
[02:53] <MitoTranin> mounted via fstab
[02:53] <MitoTranin> using the cifs protocol
[02:54] <MitoTranin> here's the mount line for that mount:   //<IP_ADDRESS>/risk /data/nas-mounts/risk cifs username=tvmyth,password=mythtv 0 0
[02:54] <tgm4883> is tvmyth the default user on the main system
[02:55] <MitoTranin> tvmyth is a user I made up for the share
[02:55] <MitoTranin> it's not used anywhere else except for this share
[02:55] <MitoTranin> nas is debian
[02:55] <MitoTranin> backend is mythbuntu rc
[02:55] <tgm4883> k
[02:56] <tgm4883> so on the backend, you have it mounted at /data/nas-mounts/risk
[02:56] <tgm4883> right
[02:57] <tgm4883> and you are able to (on the backend) go into /data/nas-mounts/risk and remove the file?
[02:58] <tgm4883> and it worked, but then you reinstalled and now it doesn't?
[02:59] <tgm4883> is all this correct?
[03:00] <MitoTranin> sorry, was registering a blueprint
[03:01] <MitoTranin> yes and no
[03:01] <MitoTranin> yes it's mounted there
[03:01] <MitoTranin> yes, by going there, I can remove the file
[03:01] <MitoTranin> but I never reinstalled...
[03:01] <tgm4883> hmm
[03:01] <tgm4883> what changed?
[03:01] <MitoTranin> it's always been like this
[03:01] <MitoTranin> mythbuntu has always been like this
[03:02] <MitoTranin> previously I was running fedora as my backend, and it worked then
[03:02] <MitoTranin> between the two I ran feisty as a backend, but I never really got that functional, so I don't know
[03:02] <MitoTranin> (wasn't functional due to my tuner problems, nothing to do with this)
[03:03] <tgm4883> but this has worked on before on the current installations on both the backend and NAS?
[03:03] <MitoTranin> same installation of the NAS
[03:03] <MitoTranin> it has never worked with this installation of the backend
[03:03] <MitoTranin> thus the problem
[03:03] <tgm4883> but
[03:03] <tgm4883> but I never reinstalled...
[03:04] <tgm4883> ^^ your quote
[03:04] <MitoTranin> yes
[03:04] <MitoTranin> exactly
[03:04] <MitoTranin> I was working when fedora was my backend
[03:04] <MitoTranin> now that machine has been molested, and is now mythbuntu
[03:04] <MitoTranin> and while mythbuntu, it has never worked
[03:04] <tgm4883> how do you go from fedora to mythbuntu without reinstalling?
[03:04] <MitoTranin> ugh
[03:04] <tgm4883> im so confused
[03:04] <MitoTranin> by formatting :)
[03:04] <MitoTranin> lol
[03:05] <MitoTranin> I've never reinstalled..
[03:05] <MitoTranin> reinstall means that I install the same as before
[03:05] <MitoTranin> I didn't...
[03:05] <tgm4883> ohhh
[03:05] <MitoTranin> I formatted and installed mythbuntu
[03:05] <tgm4883> I get it now
[03:05] <tgm4883> ok
[03:06] <MitoTranin> now, mythbuntu works great when setup to use a local dir as the recording source
[03:06] <MitoTranin> but when it's using the nas, I have this problem
[03:06] <tgm4883> ok
[03:06] <MitoTranin> oh, one other thing
[03:06] <MitoTranin> the recording dir is actually in /data/nas-mounts/risk/mythtv/recordings
[03:07] <tgm4883> ok i figured as much
[03:07] <MitoTranin> but that's long... and only the recordings are there, the videos are somewhere else on the nas, the music is somewhere else, etc
[03:07] <tgm4883> did it work with the feisty backend?
[03:07] <MitoTranin> so I have each symlinked
[03:07] <MitoTranin> /data/mythtv/recordings
[03:07] <MitoTranin> that's where I actually have my recordings set to
[03:08] <MitoTranin> with a symlink for music, videos, pictures, etc all in that mythtv dir too
[03:08] <MitoTranin> just to have them all together
[03:08] <MitoTranin> shouldn't matter, but just wanted to say it
[03:08] <tgm4883> ok makes sense
[03:08] <tgm4883> did the feisty backend work or did you even try?
[03:08] <MitoTranin> I never got my tuner working in feisty, so the backend wouldn't start because of that
[03:08] <tgm4883> ok
[03:10] <MitoTranin> so I'm quite confused...
[03:10] <tgm4883> is the backend running as the same user as you are logged in?
[03:10] <MitoTranin> the path for the backend lockfile is /data/mythtv/recordings/nfslockfile.lock
[03:10] <MitoTranin> I can delete that no problems manually, but the backend closing can't......   that just doesn't make sense to me...
[03:10] <MitoTranin> I start it via the init.d script
[03:11] <tgm4883> im not sure
[03:11] <MitoTranin> see my problem?  :)
[03:11] <tgm4883> the first thing that jumped out at me was user-id's
[03:12] <tgm4883> making sure those matched up properly, but you can delete the file manually so i dont know
[03:13] <MitoTranin> yeah, well, the user-id gets screwed up because it's a samba share...
[03:13] <MitoTranin> it automatically gets changed to being owned by nobody
[03:21] <solarbaby> Im going to have to give up on making Lirc work correctly with UbuntuMyth unless I can get some good help with it..
[03:22] <solarbaby> which means I need to give up on UbuntuMyth since I can't record anything correctly with out Lirc
[03:23] <tgm4883> are you blasting or receiving?
[03:24] <solarbaby> I am trying to send a single with the USB Uirt to the Dish Satalite
[03:24] <tgm4883> ah
[03:24] <solarbaby> I've probably changed my configs so much around I'd need to reinstall Lirc at this point
[03:24] <solarbaby> because im desperate after so many days of dicking with it.. I even tried a Fedora howto..  but it doesn't work either
[03:25] <solarbaby> next step is move to fedora and try it
[03:25] <solarbaby> the last thing I wanted to do was abandone UbuntuMyth cause I really dig it
[03:26] <solarbaby> Im just thinking after a week if it dont work.. drop it type thing..
[03:26] <tgm4883> perhaps superm1 could shed a little light on sysconf
[03:26] <solarbaby> Im hoping in future versions things like this will be supported either in documents or even better
[03:26] <MitoTranin> solarbaby: have you tried totally removing the lirc config and starting over with a Uirt howto?
[03:27] <MitoTranin> wait
[03:27] <MitoTranin> is that from home-electro ?
[03:27] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: is what?
[03:27] <MitoTranin> nm
[03:28] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: I followed this manual http://guillaume.filion.org/blog/archives/howto/
[03:28] <MitoTranin> I thought you were talking about a device I had
[03:28] <solarbaby> didn't help me at all
[03:28] <MitoTranin> but it's a different device
[03:28] <solarbaby> ah
[03:28] <MitoTranin> solarbaby: does your uirt get detected properly even?
[03:28] <MitoTranin> is it listed in lsusb ?
[03:29] <solarbaby> I think it does
[03:30] <MitoTranin> think?
[03:30] <solarbaby> whats the command?
[03:30] <MitoTranin> if it doesn't get listed there, you have no hope of it working until it does
[03:30] <MitoTranin> .....   lsusb
[03:31] <solarbaby> Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0403:f850 Future Technology Devices International, Ltd
[03:31] <MitoTranin> that lists (thus ls) all the usb devices detected on the system (thus usb)
[03:31] <solarbaby> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[03:31] <solarbaby> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 046d:c508 Logitech, Inc.
[03:31] <solarbaby> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[03:31] <solarbaby> I dont see it
[03:31] <solarbaby> but I have seen it before
[03:31] <MitoTranin> yeah, it's the first one
[03:32] <MitoTranin> 0403:f850: [FTDI]  [USB-UIRT]
[03:32] <MitoTranin> same ID
[03:32] <MitoTranin> different description
[03:32] <solarbaby> mine might be an older device
[03:33] <solarbaby> its not the USB UIRT 2 I think its just the USB UIRT
[03:33] <MitoTranin> that might be your problem
[03:33] <MitoTranin> are the drivers you're using for your version?
[03:33] <solarbaby> it does fine with sending when using GBPVR but I want myth
[03:33] <solarbaby> Yeah..  they are
[03:34] <MitoTranin> gbpvr is windows though, so totally different
[03:34] <MitoTranin> that just proves that the device itself works :)
[03:34] <solarbaby> true..  and like I said i want myth
[03:34] <solarbaby> yup
[03:34] <MitoTranin> though this is always a good thing to know :0
[03:35] <solarbaby> I've been wanting to run myth forever.. and I thought I and Myth were both ready for eachother
[03:35] <solarbaby> hehe
[03:36] <MitoTranin> did you check this out: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lirc_USB-UIRT
[03:38] <MitoTranin> solarbaby: gotta run for a bit... good luck, and I'll be back in a while!
[03:41] <solarbaby> thanks
[03:53] <solarbaby> superm1: I am failing
[03:53] <superm1> with what?
[03:53] <solarbaby> superm1: lirc
[03:53] <superm1> what's wrong with lirc?
[03:54] <solarbaby> superm1: I've tried for days now to make it work..  cause with out it mythtv doesn'tt function
[03:54] <superm1> solarbaby, what lirc device?
[03:54] <solarbaby> superm1: usb uirt..
[03:54] <superm1> have you seen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lirc_USB-UIRT
[03:54] <solarbaby> yup.. it doesn't give enough info
[03:55] <superm1> well is lircd not running when your done?
[03:55] <superm1> or what's happeneing
[03:55] <superm1> are you seeing the ttyUSB0 made?
[03:55] <solarbaby> it starts
[03:55] <solarbaby> yup
[03:55] <solarbaby> now what?
[03:55] <superm1> okay and so you have the right lircd.conf in /etc/lirc?
[03:55] <solarbaby> I found one for dish network and I put it in
[03:55] <solarbaby> it loads with out error
[03:56] <superm1> okay
[03:56] <superm1> so you are trying to do ir transmitting right?
[03:56] <solarbaby> yup!
[03:56] <superm1> okay so the syntax to send a button should just be like this
[03:56] <superm1> irsend -d /dev/ttyUSB0 SEND_ONCE BUTTON
[03:56] <superm1> does that work for you?
[03:57] <superm1> er
[03:57] <superm1> no that's wrong
[03:57] <solarbaby> irsend: Connection refused
[03:57] <superm1> i just checkjed the man page
[03:57] <superm1> it should be
[03:57] <superm1> irsend -d /dev/lircd SEND_ONCE BUTTON
[03:57] <superm1> where BUTTON is the button you're trying to send
[03:57] <superm1> my mistake
[03:57] <solarbaby> ok so I'll replace button with power
[03:59] <solarbaby> superm1: root@mythpvr:/usr/local/bin# irsend -d /dev/lircd SEND_ONCE power_on
[03:59] <solarbaby> irsend: not enough arguments
[03:59] <superm1> solarbaby, oh it appears irsend wants the remote name too
[03:59] <superm1> try it like this
[03:59] <superm1> irsend -d /dev/lircd SEND_ONCE REMOTE BUTTON
[04:00] <solarbaby> superm1: root@mythpvr:/usr/local/bin# irsend -d /dev/lircd SEND_ONCE dish info
[04:00] <solarbaby> irsend: command failed: SEND_ONCE dish info
[04:00] <solarbaby> irsend: transmission failed
[04:02] <superm1> hm.
[04:03] <superm1> have you tried to siwtch it over between uirt2_raw and uirt_raw?
[04:04] <superm1> *usb_uirt_raw
[04:04] <solarbaby> superm1: nope
[04:04] <superm1> solarbaby, you might consider modifying your lircd.conf for that to see
[04:04] <superm1> *hardware.conf
[04:04] <superm1> man i cant type today
[04:04] <solarbaby> superm1: ok
[04:09] <solarbaby> I changed it but I still get connection refused
[04:09] <superm1> well if you get a connection refused, it sounds like the other driver was the right one
[04:09] <superm1> can you test receiving buttons with this receiver too?
[04:09] <solarbaby> with IRW? I'll try
[04:11] <solarbaby> irw loads and takes control of the screen, but it does not report any button presses from any of my 4 remotes sitting next to me
[04:12] <solarbaby> and the dish network remote doesn't even make the usb uirt led glow like most of the other remotes do
[04:12] <superm1> do you have the other remote's lircd.conf's listed?
[04:12] <solarbaby> no.. just the dish network
[04:13] <superm1> well if the red led doesnt light up, i'd say you need to make sure that your dish remote is even working in the first place
[04:13] <solarbaby> in all interest of fairness..  in another life time I installed UbuntuMyth with Lirc Hauppauge 350 Remote turned on, and it worked..  but this time I left it off at install because I am only interested in being able to access dish network and turn channels
[04:14] <solarbaby> it works
[04:14] <solarbaby> my xbox remote also doesn't make the led flash
[04:14] <superm1> i see
[04:14] <superm1> so its only sensitive to certain frequencies
[04:15] <superm1> what you want to do is make sure that you have the uirt working
[04:15] <superm1> with any remote then
[04:15] <solarbaby> yeah..  but the device is totally capable of doing this freq, its just the software isn't doing it
[04:15] <superm1> add a lircd.conf for another one in
[04:15] <superm1> and get it to receive
[04:15] <superm1> then worry about transmitting
[04:15] <superm1> i say
[04:15] <solarbaby> sounds most logical
[04:16] <solarbaby> I've made it work with the Hauppage before, well default install of Myth made it work before
[04:16] <solarbaby> course that was never going through the usb uirt, that was going through the hauppage tuner card
[04:16] <superm1> yeah
[04:16] <solarbaby> Hmm
[04:16] <superm1> this usbuirt is a different beast
[04:16] <superm1> i haven't used one myself
[04:16] <solarbaby> it was nearly $60
[04:17] <superm1> well for that much $ you'd hope it'd work :)
[04:17] <solarbaby> and it worked great when I was using SageTV and GBPVR, but like I said before I want myth
[04:18] <MitoTranin> solarbaby: did you try uninstalling lirc and following that ubuntu guide for it?
[04:19] <solarbaby> yeah..  I think I followed it right
[04:19] <superm1> wait a minute
[04:19] <superm1> you aren't using a compiled lirc package??
[04:19] <solarbaby> apt-get install lirc
[04:19] <superm1> okay good
[04:19] <solarbaby> ;)
[04:20] <solarbaby> yeah there wasn't hardly anything to that guide..
[04:22] <MitoTranin> yeah... which is why it sounds pretty simple to me...
[04:23] <solarbaby> superm1: good news..  Hauppage remote works great using IRW when connected through the UIRT
[04:23] <superm1> solarbaby, okay that's a good sign then
[04:23] <superm1> solarbaby, try sending a hauppauge key through irsend
[04:23] <superm1> to rule out troubles in your dish lircd.conf
[04:24] <solarbaby> sorry.. I dont know how?
[04:24] <superm1> grab a digital camera
[04:24] <superm1> and point it at your ir transmitter
[04:24] <superm1> and then issue a similar command as before
[04:24] <superm1> that you used to send a dish info key
[04:24] <superm1> but send a hauppauge key instead
[04:24] <solarbaby> Oh
[04:25] <superm1> i've gotta run
[04:25] <superm1> i'll be back later on
[04:25] <solarbaby> superm1: thanks buddy
[04:26] <solarbaby> superm1: it sends with hauppage
[05:01] <superm1> solarbaby, okay back from my meeting
[05:01] <superm1> solarbaby, so that means something is wrong with that lircd.conf you have for dish
[05:03] <solarbaby> superm1: it sends now with dish too but it doesn't control my box
[05:03] <superm1> what was wrong with the sending before?
[05:03] <solarbaby> superm1: and when i use irw it doesn't respond to my dish remote..
[05:04] <superm1> solarbaby, you need to try a different (but similar) dish remote lircd.conf it sounds like then
[05:04] <solarbaby> superm1: maybe it was the script I was use lircd.conf
[05:04] <solarbaby> superm1: i agree..  I've used every single one I could find
[05:05] <superm1> solarbaby, have you come across anyone who claims this to work (dish) with usb uirt on linux in your searches?
[05:05] <solarbaby> superm1: no actual people.. jsut some forums
[05:05] <solarbaby> superm1: i'll restart the search
[05:06] <superm1> well the forums are authored by people
[05:06] <superm1> so i mean you've come across evidence that it should work at least
[05:08] <MythbuntuGuest35> hello
[05:08] <superm1> $hello
[05:09] <MythbuntuGuest35> when i rip a dvd where do i go to see it
[05:10] <superm1> in your videos directory
[05:10] <superm1> for mythvideo
[05:10] <MythbuntuGuest35> the size of the file?
[05:11] <superm1> what do you mean the size?
[05:12] <MythbuntuGuest35> the size of the ripped dvd
[05:13] <superm1> oh that depends on the options you chose
[05:14] <MythbuntuGuest35> hmm
[05:14] <MythbuntuGuest35> why?
[05:14] <superm1> because the "perfect" option does a direct rip
[05:14] <superm1> the others compress ti
[05:14] <MythbuntuGuest35> how i do the perfect one?
[05:15] <MythbuntuGuest35> why did it make seperate selections to watch the video?
[05:15] <superm1> that is the default option
[05:15] <superm1> perfect
[05:15] <superm1> when you rip
[05:16] <MythbuntuGuest35> oh darn
[05:16] <MythbuntuGuest35> what is excellent do?
[05:16] <MythbuntuGuest35> is that better?
[05:16] <superm1> perfect is a perfect rip
[05:17] <superm1> excellent is good compression
[05:17] <superm1> in all honesty though i dont rip dvds in mythdvd myself.  you'll find more detailed info on the mythtv.org wiki
[05:18] <MythbuntuGuest35> aww is there an easy way to delete it
[05:18] <superm1> go into the filesystem and browse to where it was made
[05:18] <superm1> and hit delete
[05:18] <MythbuntuGuest35> ok
[05:18] <superm1> Thunar is installed on mythbuntu installs for a graphical file browser
[05:19] <superm1> or via terminal
[05:19] <superm1> it ends up in /var/lib/ somewhere
[05:19] <superm1> you can probably also delete via samba
[05:19] <superm1> remotely
[05:22] <solarbaby> superm1: even though this isn't actually changing my channels, I'd like to make Myth believe that it is, so im not getting these damn errors that prevent me from recording my TV shows
[05:23] <solarbaby> superm1: I found a script called channel_change.sh and I told myth to use it.. but it doesn't seem to be working cause I still get those errors in the log
[05:23] <superm1> what errors?
[05:23] <superm1> and did you remember to mark the script as executable
[05:26] <solarbaby> superm1: http://paste-it.net/3959
[05:26] <solarbaby> superm1: yeah its 777
[05:28] <superm1> solarbaby, so in your lircd.conf do you not have a '0' key defined?
[05:29] <solarbaby>  0                        0x0000000000004400
[05:29] <superm1> can you irsend one by hand?
[05:29] <superm1> and see if it does the same thing?
[05:29] <solarbaby> it does irsend by hand :)
[05:30] <solarbaby> I'll show you the script I used
[05:32] <solarbaby> superm1: http://paste-it.net/3960
[05:32] <solarbaby> superm1: maybe this is the prob irsend --device=/dev/lircd SEND_ONCE $REMOTE_NAME O
[05:32] <solarbaby> the 0 at the end maybe?
[05:33] <superm1> why is there that extra command at the end?
[05:33] <solarbaby> thats an O not a 0
[05:33] <solarbaby> I dunno..  in that script it also said lircd1 and i edited that out
[05:33] <solarbaby> i'll edit the script
[05:34] <superm1> try issuing that script by hand
[05:35] <superm1> and seeing if you can fix it there
[05:38] <solarbaby> superm1: congradulations.. it thinks its tuning the channel now ;)
[05:38] <superm1> really???
[05:38] <superm1> haha
[05:38] <superm1> wow
[05:38] <solarbaby> superm1: just editing that O out helped
[05:38] <superm1> easy nough i guess :)
[05:39] <solarbaby> superm1: now I still have 2 problems.. #1 it doesn't actually change the channel cause the conf needs to be edited with working perameters and #2 my install of myth handles scheduling conflicts very badly
[05:39] <solarbaby> like for instance it thinks its recording the show right now but it isn't
[05:39] <superm1> the conflicts issue you'll have to poke with the -users channel or mailing list i think, because i've never had to deal with poorly handled conflicting schedules myself
[05:40] <solarbaby> superm1: fair enough
[05:40] <solarbaby> superm1: i gotta admit this sure has been a tough time ;)
[05:40] <solarbaby> superm1: I like projects with a little kick to them.. but this is more like falling off a building
[05:40] <superm1> solarbaby, i suspect that to be related to your tuning issues though
[05:41] <solarbaby> superm1: yeah pretty much
[05:41] <superm1> a fresh reboot will likely fix the scheduling problem i bet
[05:41] <solarbaby> superm1: the install cd you guys made is excellent stuff
[05:41] <solarbaby> superm1: i'll give that a shot.. brb
[05:58] <solarbaby> superm1: didn't help the conflicts.. just handles them really badly
[05:58] <troy_s> foxbuntu: PING
[05:58] <superm1> solarbaby, that's interesting.
[05:58] <solarbaby> superm1: and even though it thinks its recording its still not recording
[05:58] <foxbuntu> troy_s, evening
[05:58] <troy_s> foxbuntu: I have a um...
[05:58] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Delivery
[05:58] <foxbuntu> oh?
[05:59] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Sorry -- not much progress this week and tonic won't be able to code it until his skool temps down in two weeks.
[05:59] <troy_s> foxbuntu: But you can see ye thing that shall not be spoken.  At least a v1 of it.
[05:59] <foxbuntu> k
[05:59] <foxbuntu> email it
[06:00] <troy_s> uh... let me check the size
[06:02] <troy_s> foxbuntu: rendering... five mins.
[06:02] <foxbuntu> k
[06:03] <solarbaby> superm1: the external tuning is exiting with an error thats why its not recording
[06:03] <solarbaby> superm1: but it still makes it blink
[06:07] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Check your mail.
[06:07] <foxbuntu> troy_s, I love you!
[06:07] <foxbuntu> :)
[06:08] <foxbuntu> ...
[06:08] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Did you see it?
[06:08] <foxbuntu> yes
[06:08] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Kinda neat eh?
[06:08] <foxbuntu> not kind of.
[06:08] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Oh crap... the clip will be black and white to keep our era feel
[06:08] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Like the clip images?  lol.
[06:08] <foxbuntu> yea
[06:08] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Very funny if you look close.
[06:08] <foxbuntu> what was it
[06:08] <foxbuntu> let me look at it slower
[06:09] <troy_s> there are four clips -- one is padding plus three different people.
[06:09] <foxbuntu> ah
[06:09] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Let me add a black and white node into my compositor...
[06:09] <foxbuntu> k
[06:12] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Ok... black and white version now rendering.
[06:13] <foxbuntu> troy_s, great...you have great timing
[06:13] <foxbuntu> terrible day and this is a great pick up
[06:14] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Yeah, I only wish I had some of that nasty theming started.
[06:14] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Its a scary mountain that one.
[06:14] <troy_s> foxbuntu: I think that will turn out well though
[06:15] <troy_s> foxbuntu: It is a leap and a bound above what the others have thus far.
[06:15] <troy_s> foxbuntu: And I strongly suspect it will remain that way for at least a release or two.
[06:16] <foxbuntu> troy_s, yup
[06:16] <foxbuntu> troy_s, you have done great work for us and we seriously appriciate all your hard work
[06:19] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Dammit... ok the new revision has the hue and the scanlines back in it... For some reason it was off in the previous render.
[06:19] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Blah... all we can do is try to make all the things we are involved with as good as possible.
[06:22] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Ping.  Mail check.  That's better!
[06:22] <foxbuntu> troy_s, k
[06:23] <foxbuntu> troy_s, oh I see what you meant
[06:23] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Not much to show in that, but it was a helluva lot of work.
[06:23] <foxbuntu> thats better
[06:23] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Simply because of the learning and such.
[06:23] <troy_s> yeah
[06:23] <troy_s> foxbuntu: That was the original goal.  lol
[06:24] <foxbuntu> troy_s, thats awesome
[06:24] <foxbuntu> great work once again!
[06:27] <foxbuntu> troy_s, shuttleworth?
[06:27] <troy_s> foxbuntu: That's one
[06:27] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Two more to go :)
[06:27] <foxbuntu> lol
[06:27] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Off to watch tv with wifey... back in a few.
[06:27] <foxbuntu> troy_s, later
[06:28] <superm1> http://www.mythbuntu.org/image/tid/5
[06:30] <solarbaby> I can't find channel.pl anywhere on my system
[06:30] <solarbaby> I thought that was supposed to come with myth?
[06:33] <rhpot1991> hmmm strange, this wifi card runs too slow to be usable under gutsy
[06:34] <rhpot1991> ran ok under fiesty though (other than the random packet collisions it was having)
[06:34] <rhpot1991> isn't channels.pl in trunk?
[06:34] <solarbaby> what is trunk? the cd?
[06:34] <rhpot1991> or svn, one of them
[06:35] <rhpot1991> its a work in progress
[06:35] <rhpot1991> thats where the new changes are
[06:35] <solarbaby> shrug..  wish I could find it.. they say its on contrib but I can't find a directory named that either
[06:35] <rhpot1991> let me check mine
[06:36] <superm1> solarbaby, its part of the mythtv-backend package
[06:36] <superm1> in /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib
[06:36] <superm1> i believe
[06:36] <solarbaby> Awesome
[06:36] <solarbaby> Thanks
[06:36] <rhpot1991> its not
[06:37] <solarbaby> root@mythpvr:/usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/channel_changers# ls
[06:37] <solarbaby> 6200ch.c.gz             d10control.pl.gz      red_eye.c.gz
[06:37] <solarbaby> 6200ch-README           d10control-README     red_eye-README.gz
[06:37] <solarbaby> change-channel-lirc.pl  dct2000serial.tar.gz  sa3250ch.c.gz
[06:37] <solarbaby> change-channel-lirc.sh  dct-channel.tar.bz2   sa3250ch-README
[06:37] <solarbaby> Yay
[06:37] <rhpot1991> ah I thought you were looking for the channel icons script
[06:37] <solarbaby> the documents on adding support for an external tuner really need to be updated
[06:38] <rhpot1991> btw superm1 upgrade broke my remote on this one box
[06:38] <solarbaby> they say only this Look in the contrib/channel_changers directory for a number of programs and scripts which may be used to change channels. Once you find one which works, copy it to /usr/local/bin/changechannel.
[06:38] <rhpot1991> I use the hauppauge IR to recieve from an all-4-one universal remote
[06:39] <gib> Where is the keys.txt file supposed to be located?  The file for maping key lirc keys to keyboard keys.
[06:39] <solarbaby> my hauppage recieves just fine, but i use a usb uirt to transmit remote codes to the satalite box
[06:39] <solarbaby> and i gotta tell you i've spent days trying to make this work
[06:39] <solarbaby> like entire days
[06:40] <superm1> rhpot1991, well it will overwrite custom configs
[06:40] <superm1> so that's no surprise
[06:41] <gib> I looked at the file contents the other  day but can't find it for the life of me today.  I've search and grepped.
[06:41] <tgm4883_laptop> .lircrc?
[06:41] <tgm4883_laptop> gib^^
[06:42] <gib> Oh yeah, that's right, it's in each users home directory.
[06:42] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[06:43] <tazgodx> its also in the .mythtv dir
[06:43] <tgm4883_laptop> yes, one should be a sym link
[06:43] <tazgodx> if your changing mythtv remote functions, you need to change that one
[06:43] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, those screenshots in http://www.mythbuntu.org/image/tid/4
[06:44] <superm1> are those with 0.10-0ubuntu1 of mcc?
[06:44] <superm1> or earlier
[06:44] <gib> Some of my keys aren't mapped for certain functions or are setup weird, so I need to make changes, esp fo xine.
[06:44] <tazgodx> xine use the one in your hom dir
[06:44] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, looks like 0.10-0ubuntu1 to me
[06:44] <tgm4883_laptop> it's got w64codecs
[06:44] <tazgodx> but you can make them both the same if you want
[06:44] <tgm4883_laptop> and I took them today
[06:44] <tgm4883_laptop> so, probably .10-0
[06:45] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, ah okay
[06:45] <tgm4883_laptop> the gallery needs renamed
[06:45] <superm1> i was going to say they might be better suited for here: http://www.mythbuntu.org/image/tid/5
[06:45] <tgm4883_laptop> as that probably release
[06:45] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, i renamed all the galleries
[06:45] <superm1> take a look
[06:45] <superm1> and put up snapshots with the new mythtv theme in action
[06:46] <tgm4883_laptop> looks good, i added weight to the old ones yesterday
[06:46] <tazgodx> haha i see chuck and heroes in the recorded programs list, looks like my list
[06:46] <gib> That looks nice!  What is that a custom mythbuntu theme?
[06:46] <solarbaby> superm1: Oh My GOD IT WORKS!!  the first thing it recorded was CHESTER STILES CAUGHT!!
[06:46] <solarbaby> HAHAHA FUCK YEA!!
[06:46] <tgm4883_laptop> gib, yes
[06:46] <superm1> solarbaby, it started to work?
[06:46] <superm1> the transmitter and all?
[06:46] <solarbaby> Wooooooooo
[06:46] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, yeah i saw that
[06:46] <gib> You just added that?
[06:46] <superm1> good call on the weighting
[06:47] <tgm4883_laptop> gib, yes today
[06:47] <superm1> gib, yeah that will be in the final
[06:47] <gib> Cool.
[06:47] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, i figured we didn't need old stuff floating to the top
[06:47] <superm1> gib, do you want to install it on rc?
[06:47] <solarbaby> Yeah! Transmiter had no errors (dont know if it actually changes channels thoug, probably not) but it records now since theres no errror
[06:47] <superm1> i can link you to it if you want
[06:47] <superm1> gib, http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mythtv-theme-mythbuntu/mythtv-theme-ubuntu_0.20071015~ppa1_all.deb
[06:47] <tgm4883_laptop> gib, keep in mind it's 4:3 only, but doesn't look terrible in 16:9
[06:47] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, yeah makes sense
[06:47] <solarbaby> superm1: now I can use mythtv for the first time.. Thanks so much buddy!
[06:48] <gib> I'm at 4:3, so it's OK for me
[06:48] <superm1> solarbaby, glad you finally got it going :)
[06:48] <solarbaby> superm1: me too.. I was feeling pretty bad..  you caught me in the worst mood
[06:48] <solarbaby> superm1: im feeling pretty good now
[06:48] <tazgodx> someone gave me a link once for why my OSD text are overlapping, anyone know it off the top of their heads?
[06:49] <tgm4883_laptop> its in launchpad
[06:50] <rhpot1991> will it overwrite them in all home dir's or just mythtv's?
[06:50] <superm1> rhpot1991, which?
[06:50] <rhpot1991>  .lircrc
[06:50] <superm1> it overwrites them just in the user you launch as
[06:51] <tazgodx> found the link, but all these say they only apply to non 4:3 screens, and im 4:3 with this problem....
[06:52] <tazgodx> guess ill do more searching
[06:53] <rhpot1991> hmmm seems my lircrc's are there, might be the lirc.conf
[06:55] <tazgodx> so, i have like 3 jobs jsut sititng in the job queue, why aren't they going? and how can i make them go?
[06:59] <rhpot1991> hmmm does it no longer use ~/.mythtv/lircrc ?
[06:59] <superm1> it does
[06:59] <superm1> tazgodx, dunno
[07:00] <gib> Wow, great work!  That theme is really, really nice.  The best I've seen.
[07:01] <superm1> thank juski if you ever see him.  he donated his efforts to make it for us
[07:02] <gib> OK, Will do.
[07:03] <gib> Visuals mean everything for catching peoples interest on Distrowatch :)
[07:03] <superm1> yeah that's the big reason i wanted to get this in last minute
[07:03] <superm1> it won't be on the ubuntu archive unfortunately
[07:03] <superm1> but it will be on the disk and installable from the website
[07:04] <superm1> and its also the last item from that only review that we got that we failed under
[07:04] <superm1> everything else has been addressed
[07:04] <superm1> (and then some)
[07:04] <gib> What review was that?
[07:04] <superm1> google for 'mythbuntu review'
[07:04] <gib> k
[07:04] <superm1> they did a review on us when we were back at like alpha2
[07:04] <MitoTranin> superm1: it can be added to the updates soon though, right? just not right away?
[07:04] <superm1> comparing us to mythdora and knoppmyth
[07:05] <superm1> MitoTranin, well i dont think so.
[07:05] <superm1> MitoTranin, the best we can get is backports
[07:05] <superm1> gib, and we have come a LONG way since alpha 2
[07:05] <MitoTranin> why can't it be considered an update?
[07:05] <superm1> that's back before mcc, if you can remember such a time :)
[07:05] <MitoTranin> because it's not actually updating something?
[07:05] <superm1> MitoTranin, ubuntu politics
[07:05] <superm1> we can leave it at that
[07:05] <MitoTranin> that's just silly
[07:06] <superm1> MitoTranin, as long as someone installs off of the final disk they'll get the theme though
[07:06] <superm1> and if they want it from an earlier disk or a ubuntu->mythbuntu conversion, they can just install the deb
[07:06] <rhpot1991> hmmm just needed to reboot apparenlty
[07:06] <foxbuntu> superm1, what might cause my machine to skip like 10 secs early and land about 10 sec late on comm skips?
[07:07] <rhpot1991> it didn't touch my lircrc, just my lirc.conf
[07:07] <MitoTranin> today's woot is pretty nice... very tempting too
[07:07] <rhpot1991> eh
[07:07] <rhpot1991> now if it was a roomba
[07:07] <MitoTranin> lol, those were on there about 2 weeks ago I think
[07:08] <superm1> rhpot1991, mlg touches only ~/.lircrc and ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[07:08] <rhpot1991> they have them every wootoff
[07:08] <superm1> that's it
[07:08] <superm1> foxbuntu, i dont know
[07:08] <gib> I tried Mythdora, and liked Mythbuntu a lot better.  I didn't try KnoppMyth because the 2.6.18 kernel doesn't support the card I was trying to use.   Mythbuntu is, by far, the most up to date.
[07:08] <rhpot1991> I have 2 now thanks to them
[07:08] <tazgodx> i tried all, and i liked the alpha of mythbuntu over all others
[07:08] <gib> And Doesn't install a lot of extra gnome garbage that's not needed for a mythtv machine.
[07:09] <MitoTranin> I tried to buy something last wootoff
[07:09] <MitoTranin> first time I tried to buy something
[07:09] <MitoTranin> by the time I signed up, it was sold out
[07:09] <gib> I think xfce is a good choice too.
[07:09] <MitoTranin> the whole lot was sold in 46 seconds
[07:11] <rhpot1991> hmmm I wonder if I have my perms screwed up then, cause it didn't modify my .lircrc in either my home dir or mythtv's
[07:11] <superm1> rhpot1991, sounds like you would
[07:11] <superm1> if that's what's happening
[07:11] <rhpot1991> -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 6316 2007-08-20 11:32 .lircrc
[07:12] <rhpot1991> I would be running it as john not mythtv
[07:12] <superm1> yeah that's why it can't be overwritten
[07:12] <superm1> the mythtv group doesn't have write access
[07:12] <gib> That  thin font in the new theme allows for more info to be jammed into the tv guide boxes while still remaining readable.  It will allow me to set the grid back to 4x4 or 5x5.  I had to set it to 3x3 with the chunky bold fonts in the other themes to make it most readable.
[07:12] <superm1> it should be john:john
[07:13] <rhpot1991> I recall I made it that way cause mythtv wasn't reading it right
[07:13] <rhpot1991> I have a single file in /home/john and symlinks to it everywhere else
[07:14] <rhpot1991> I'll mess around with it on my box that actually uses that hauppauge remote, so I don't lose my custom config
[07:15] <tazgodx> does mythbuntu have their own OSD theme too?
[07:18] <superm1> tazgodx, no we don't have our own OSD
[07:18] <superm1> this new theme was just introduced
[07:18] <superm1> possibly for hardy we might
[07:19] <tazgodx> i like this theme, still hoping to find a nice OSD tho
[07:20] <superm1> tazgodx, see mythtvthemes.co.uk
[07:20] <superm1> blootube-osd
[07:20] <superm1> that is what this theme is based off of
[07:21] <superm1> juski customized his blootube theme for us
[07:21] <superm1> (the free variant that is, before he release blootube as CC noncommerical)
[07:22] <tazgodx> blootube-osd does look nice
[07:22] <tazgodx> ill have to try that out
[07:22] <tazgodx> thanks
[07:24] <tazgodx> what is mythbuntus default theme directory?
[07:24] <superm1> /usr/share/mythtv/themes
[07:24] <superm1> is the systemwide one
[07:24] <superm1> you can also do user specific ones
[07:24] <rhpot1991> is there any color XvMC hack for nvidia 6 cards yet?
[07:24] <superm1> but dont know that off hand
[07:24] <superm1> not afaik
[07:24] <superm1> they don't support it
[07:26] <gib> Does anyone know why the the selected menu item on a DVD is offset/goofed up so it doesn't land in exactly the right place when using the MythTV internal DVD viewer?  It works perfectly fine if I use Xine instead.
[07:27] <superm1> gib, probably a bug in mythtv 0.20.2
[07:27] <superm1> i know the trunk dvd viewer has a ton of bug fixes
[07:28] <gib> Guess I'll stick with Xine then.  What do most people use?  Internal, xine, or vlc?
[07:28] <gib> Xine has always worked well for me in other applications.
[07:29] <superm1> i use xine
[07:29] <superm1> but i know a bunch of ppl like internal
[07:29] <superm1> meh
[07:32] <Wy|laptop> What's the default powerd (or whatever) daemon in ubuntu?
[07:33] <Wy|laptop> Internal, here
[07:35] <superm1> powernowd
[07:35] <superm1> i believe
[07:37] <DiggThis> hello everyone
[07:38] <DiggThis> superm1: any idea about the current state of the ati driver for gutsy?
[07:38] <superm1> DiggThis, couldn't comment there no.
[07:38] <DiggThis> k
[07:38] <Wy|laptop> okay, it's not working properly in conjunction with FAH right now.
[07:38] <Wy|laptop> Digg: not functional with the x2xxx series yet
[07:38] <DiggThis> they should get the driver right already!
[07:39] <rhpot1991> is xv still 2x too high?
[07:39] <Wy|laptop> You can manually install the 8.41 driver yourself, but afaik they're waiting for the ATI 8.42 to merge it in
[07:39] <DiggThis> superm1: any possibility of adding the ipod plugin for mythtv like knoppmyth has?
[07:39] <Wy|laptop> rhpot: i picked up the x2400hd for the HTPC
[07:39] <superm1> Wy|laptop, 8.42 isn't gonig to be merged in either
[07:39] <tazgodx__> anyone look at those new ATI cards coming out soon?
[07:39] <Wy|laptop> superm1: geh, no? :(
[07:39] <superm1> Wy|laptop, 8.42 still has broken workstation card support
[07:40] <superm1> 8.43 will be fixing it.
[07:40] <Wy|laptop> :|
[07:40] <rhpot1991> what does knoppmyth do with ipods?
[07:40] <troy_s> night superm1 and fox
[07:40] <troy_s> fox be gones
[07:40] <superm1> night troy_s
[07:40] <troy_s> hrm.
[07:40] <Wy|laptop> I guess all the firegl users (all 3 of them) will be whining if default ubuntu doesn't work?
[07:40] <Wy|laptop> vs the many more with the x2xxx cards
[07:40] <superm1> Wy|laptop, i'm a firegl user actually
[07:40] <superm1> Wy|laptop, and lots of thinkpad users are
[07:41] <Wy|laptop> superm1: *grin* Yeah, I have one on my T43p, but it doesn't run linux
[07:41] <rhpot1991> my 9600pro always displayed half of a mythtv video, got fed up with an 18 month old bug not letting me watch tv correctly
[07:41] <DiggThis> knoppmyth has a plugin that is called myth2ipod that converts and sends the show to the ipod format
[07:41] <superm1> DiggThis, if there isn't a spec already made, file one and we can target it for hardy
[07:41] <superm1> it's not going to happen in time for gutsy though
[07:41] <superm1> maybe backported
[07:42] <rhpot1991> isn't that an unofficial plugin?
[07:42] <superm1> but not any time in the immediate future.  there are a lot of other items that are being settled last moment
[07:42] <rhpot1991> there is this too: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ipod_export
[07:42] <Wy|laptop> Superm1: btw... http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1279/1394118666_36ad3119f8.jpg
[07:42] <Wy|laptop> =)
[07:42] <rhpot1991> I will be working on getting that running tomorrow (maybe)
[07:42] <tazgodx> isn't that just a job, useing nuvexport?
[07:42] <superm1> Wy|laptop, :)
[07:42] <superm1> i love having a port replicator myself
[07:42] <superm1> you need to get yourself a usb hub though
[07:42] <superm1> so you dont have to use that left port
[07:42] <rhpot1991> myth2ipod: http://www.myth2ipod.com/myth2ipod.html
[07:43] <rhpot1991> kinda old though
[07:43] <DiggThis> it is unofficial
[07:43] <rhpot1991> 1.0b2 updated 3/5/06
[07:43] <superm1> well if anyone happens to get it working, please make a tutorial on the wiki or forums
[07:43] <DiggThis> but it makes everything so much easier for us commuters that can't watch tv properly
[07:43] <Wy|laptop> superm1: that was temporary
[07:43] <Wy|laptop> but *grin* shiiiiny
[07:43] <superm1> yeah why is that so shiny....
[07:43] <superm1> i just realized that
[07:43] <rhpot1991> I am going to use the ipod export, and make a bash script to scp the files to a server
[07:43] <Wy|laptop> superm1: case mod. :P
[07:43] <rhpot1991> or try to at least
[07:44] <superm1> haha
[07:44] <superm1> i see
[07:44] <superm1> very shiny indeed
[07:44] <DiggThis> superm1: just a thought if you could add it to the apps to get list that would be awesome feature for myth to have
[07:44] <Wy|laptop> btw, any chance of merging in the imon pad pad2keys patch optionally?
[07:45] <superm1> DiggThis, yeah please add some comments to this spec: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/mythbuntu-ipod
[07:45] <superm1> with urls and such
[07:45] <DiggThis> im not good transcoding and that program could be awesome
[07:45] <superm1> and then subscribe to it
[07:45] <Wy|laptop> also the lcdproc imon lcd patch (the lcd is a bit more than just plain ole' vft)
[07:45] <DiggThis> ok i will
[07:45] <superm1> Wy|laptop, same as DiggThis, specs specs specs :)
[07:45] <Wy|laptop> btw, as far as vfts go, looks like lcdproc does everything you really need
[07:46] <superm1> okay folks i'm headed to bed
[07:46] <superm1> it's been a long day today.
[07:46] <Wy|laptop> 'k, nite dude
[07:46] <superm1> cya
[07:47] <DiggThis> cya superm1
[07:48] <DiggThis> exit
[07:52] <rhpot1991> hmmm anyone have any idea how long it will take to fsck ~80gb of data?
[07:53] <Wy|laptop> depends.
[07:59] <DiggThis> does anyone know if i can use a knoppmyth script with mythbuntu??
[08:16] <solarbaby> Anyone using a Lirc with Dish Network and a Platinum remote?
[08:18] <tazgodx> im gonna work tomorrow to get my serial ir blaster to work with my STB
[08:18] <solarbaby> awesome
[08:19] <tazgodx> but i don't have dish
[08:19] <solarbaby> its been real tuff for me
[08:19] <tazgodx> i have comcast digital cable
[08:19] <solarbaby> My dish remote doesn't even make my IR device flash like others do
[08:19] <solarbaby> I wish I had comcast they are probably well supported
[08:20] <solarbaby> I found dish network config files but none of them work with mine
[08:20] <solarbaby> so im kinda like.. Uhhg.. all this work and I cant even turn a channel
[08:21] <rhpot1991> except comcast rapes you constantly
[08:22] <rhpot1991> unless you like being locked into a single company paying over inflated prices and getting shitty service
[08:23] <tazgodx> i hope to move to the AT&T service when its available, but thats only cause my mom works for the company, so ill make her give me a hook up :)
[08:24] <MitoTranin> solarbaby: why do you insist on using your dish remote?
[08:24] <rhpot1991> I have contemplated calling up verizon and asking about fios
[08:24] <Wy|laptop> fios isn't deployed on my side of town yet .. or else I'd be switching
[08:24] <rhpot1991> I hear only some of the channels are available without the STB though
[08:24] <Wy|laptop> anyways, I'm done playing with HD. There'll be like 4 channels I can tune, and the rest.. well, suck.
[08:25] <Wy|laptop> Yeah. there are lots of channels available via the analog cable that aren't there via digital cable.
[08:25] <Wy|laptop> meh.
[08:26] <Wy|laptop> rhpot: I just picked up a HDHomerun. Highly recommeneded.
[08:26] <MitoTranin> solarbaby: my understanding is this:  you have a dish and you need myth to be able to change the channels on the dish receiver... right?
[08:26] <rhpot1991> ya I hear everyone likes them
[08:26] <rhpot1991> I'm not convinced paying comcast for HD is worth it though
[08:26] <tazgodx> i need a HDTV
[08:26] <rhpot1991> also the tv I have to buy too
[08:26] <Wy|laptop> but that's the whole point behind incremental upgrades
[08:26] <Wy|laptop> :P
[08:26] <MitoTranin> well, why do you need to use the dish remote to do that?  use any remote that works with the receiver to control myth via the receiver...
[08:26] <rhpot1991> why get an hd homerun then?
[08:27] <tazgodx> i didn't want to buy a homerunner without the TV, no point is there?
[08:27] <Wy|laptop> rhpot: digital channels come in clearer than analog channels.
[08:27] <MitoTranin> then, you program the transmitter to transmit signals that work with the dish...
[08:27] <Wy|laptop> a lot crisper, I mean
[08:27] <MitoTranin> there is no reason that I see for your receiver to need to receive the signals from your dish remote...
[08:27] <Wy|laptop> well, a future purchases (when my projector dies) will be a 1080p projector
[08:28] <rhpot1991> how does hdhomerun hook up?
[08:28] <Wy|laptop> rhpot: to your ethernet hub
[08:28] <rhpot1991> what goes into it though (tv wise)
[08:28] <tazgodx> http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/10/15/amd-unveils-trio-of-new-ati-tv-wonders/
[08:28] <Wy|laptop> it's got 4 inputs. 2x coax, 1s power, 1x 100baseT
[08:29] <Wy|laptop> it tunes both unencrypted QAM and ATSC
[08:29] <tazgodx> HDhomerunner plugs into a OTA antenna for HD programming
[08:29] <Wy|laptop> tazo: also can work on unencyrpted cable
[08:29] <rhpot1991> ya but he doesn't have HD, so I am wondering what the setup is
[08:29] <tazgodx> oh, it can work for normal analog cable?
[08:29] <rhpot1991> ah so you just go cable in and skip the STB?
[08:30] <Wy|laptop> no digital cable
[08:30] <Wy|laptop> er, I mean, NO, it works for DIGITAL cable only
[08:30] <Wy|laptop> and digital OTA
[08:30] <rhpot1991> aren't most digital channels encrypted though?
[08:30] <Wy|laptop> only problem is 'what channels are available to you unencrypted'
[08:30] <Wy|laptop> rhpot: most digital channels that are available OTA will be available unencyrpted on your cable
[08:31] <Wy|laptop> yeah, no STB here
[08:31] <Wy|laptop> if you have a STB, your best bet is an IR blaster and firewire
[08:31] <rhpot1991> thats only like the big 5 though
[08:31] <tazgodx> i can't get most my digital cable channels without a STB
[08:31] <rhpot1991> only if firewire is enabled on it though
[08:31] <tazgodx> i only get up to chanel like 70-somthing
[08:31] <rhpot1991> tazgodx sounds like the analog channels
[08:31] <tazgodx> yeah
[08:31] <rhpot1991> the hdhomerun can't read analog though?
[08:31] <Wy|laptop> rhpot: nope
[08:32] <rhpot1991> $140 for 2 tunners would be worth it
[08:32] <rhpot1991> do you pay for digital cable?
[08:32] <rhpot1991> or did you just plug this in and it worked?
[08:32] <Wy|laptop> :inno:
[08:32] <Wy|laptop> plugged it in and it worked :P
[08:32] <rhpot1991> interesting
[08:32] <Wy|laptop> =)
[08:32] <rhpot1991> if only there was a way around the encryption though
[08:32] <Wy|laptop> Just ... no encrypted channels.
[08:33] <Wy|laptop> Well, my next step is to wait for blu-ray and hd-dvd drives to a) get cheap, and b) be supported in myth
[08:33] <Wy|laptop> and b) get a 1080p projector
[08:33] <Wy|laptop> but that can wait
[08:33] <rhpot1991> what video card are you using?
[08:33] <tazgodx> i want a 1080i LCD, i don't eve know the difference between i and p
[08:34] <rhpot1991> I went with fx6200's for both of my boxes (mainly cause I wanted the component output on one) and am sad about the black and white osd when using XvMC
[08:34] <Wy|laptop> rhpot: ati x2400hd. Not quite well supported, but works well enough
[08:34] <Wy|laptop> i = interlaced. p = progressive scan
[08:34] <Wy|laptop> interlaced updates 1/2 of the screen (every other line) every 1/60th of a second
[08:35] <rhpot1991> see I started with a 9600pro, but it wasn't supported at all
[08:35] <Wy|laptop> progressive updates the entire screen every 1/30th or 1/60th of a second
[08:35] <hugolp> tazgodx:  You dont want i, I prefer 720p than 1080i
[08:35] <hugolp> interlaced is shit
[08:35] <rhpot1991> unless I went through some loops and made it eat cpu to play junk
[08:35] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: My problem is that I need my USB Uirt to transmite the same codes my Dish Remote uses directly to the Dish Reciever, so my channels can be changed by MythTV.. I am in no way interested in controlling MythTV by Remote Control
[08:35] <Wy|laptop> 1080p is teh sweer.
[08:35] <hugolp> obviously
[08:35] <hugolp> XD
[08:35] <Wy|laptop> solarbaby: look into getting an 'IR blaster'
[08:35] <tazgodx> so 720p is better than 1080i?
[08:35] <Wy|laptop> taz: depends.
[08:35] <hugolp> tazgodx:  its opinable, but in my opinion yes
[08:35] <Wy|laptop> it's subjective, really.
[08:36] <solarbaby> I dont believe I need an IR Blaster, what I need is the correct dish network codes for my remote control
[08:36] <Wy|laptop> depends on the refresh rate of the 720p
[08:36] <tazgodx> maybe ill just go cheaper and get a 720p
[08:36] <tazgodx> i can't afford a 1080p right now
[08:36] <solarbaby> I've sucessfully gained access of my USB UIRT from Myth TV, I just need the right codes now ;)
[08:36] <Wy|laptop> taz: get something that does 1080p
[08:36] <rhpot1991> my main concern with a hdhomerun is that comcast f*ck's customers constantly
[08:36] <Wy|laptop> it's cheap enough
[08:36] <hugolp> tazgodx:  but for the price of a 1080i you can almost get to a 1080p dont you?
[08:37] <rhpot1991> they have been killing bit torrent traffic for a few months now
[08:37] <rhpot1991> I'd be afraid of spending the money and having it randomly not work a few months later
[08:37] <tazgodx> ill have to look at prices again
[08:37] <Wy|laptop> http://www.costco.com/Common/Category.aspx?whse=BC&Ne=4000000&eCat=BC|79|2341|3316&N=4025595&pos=1&Nr=P_CatalogName:BC&cat=74672&Ns=P_Price|1||P_SignDesc1&lang=en-US&ec=BC-EC10605-Cat2341&topnav=
[08:37] <Wy|laptop> 1.2k for a 42" 1080p lcd
[08:38] <tazgodx> im hoping for like half that, for a 32"
[08:38] <tazgodx> lol
[08:38] <Wy|laptop> taz: my wife just got a 24" samsung WUXGA lcd for her desk.
[08:38] <Wy|laptop> for $550
[08:38] <Wy|laptop> well, if you're just lookinga t 32", 720p is what you want
[08:39] <Wy|laptop> because you won't notice the added resolution anyways
[08:39] <Wy|laptop> hell, you might as well stick to 480p :P
[08:39] <Wy|laptop>  /snob
[08:40] <hugolp> 1200$ for a 1080p is tempting specially now that the dollar is so cheap
[08:40] <Wy|laptop> yup
[08:41] <Wy|laptop> granted, I pasted to you costco (very cheap membership store) prices
[08:42] <Wy|laptop> where are you at, .ca?
[08:42] <hugolp> yes
[08:42] <hugolp> Im at Barcelona
[08:42] <hugolp> .ca its Catalonia
[08:42] <Wy|laptop> ah :P
[08:42] <Wy|laptop> europe, then
[08:43] <Wy|laptop> .ca is canada, actually :P
[08:43] <hugolp> yep
[08:43] <hugolp> I know I read .cat
[08:44] <hugolp> soon everything will be 1080p, they are chargin 1000$ for a 720p and 1200$ for a 1080p both 42"
[08:44] <tazgodx> now to look for a good priced 32"
[08:45] <Wy|laptop> the 200 extra is worth it
[08:46] <hugolp> Wy|laptop:  yes, thats why I said soon everything will be 1080p, the difference its not big
[08:46] <tazgodx> http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/index.jsp?epi_menuItemID=887566059a3aedb6efaaa9e27a808a0c&ndmViewId=news_view&ndmConfigId=1000010&newsId=20071008005952&newsLang=en
[08:46] <tazgodx> 32" for 650 coming soon?
[08:47] <tazgodx> don't see resolutions tho
[08:52] <tazgodx> well its 1080i, but does 720p....think ill be buying that soon
[08:58] <tazgodx> wow, i can't find it for sale ANYWHERE
[09:41] <hugolp> hi, anyone in gutsy?
[09:41] <hugolp> Im having trouble conecting to the network with this morning updates
[09:41] <hugolp> well, more like I cant connect to the net
[12:27] <solarbaby> Anyone using a Dish Network Echostar 5.3 IR with Lirc?
[03:02] <rhpot1991> yo
[03:18] <reclusivemonkey> hello everyone
[03:22] <DaveMorris> reclusivemonkey Hi DaveMorris; I just downloaded the rc ISO. I'm getting the dreaded L 99 99 99 99! I checked the MD5SUM and I am just trying a fresh burn now
[03:22] <DaveMorris> the md5sum passed then?
[03:23] <reclusivemonkey> yeah
[03:23] <DaveMorris> and the installer got to 99% installed then hung?
[03:23] <reclusivemonkey> nope, it just does boot the CD
[03:24] <reclusivemonkey> doesn't*
[03:24] <DaveMorris> I've had problems before with dodgy cdrom drives/ide cables
[03:24] <DaveMorris> you able to play with those?  Also try booting with acpi turned off
[03:24] <reclusivemonkey> Gusty CD boots fine
[03:25] <DaveMorris> well this is the same as the gutsy cd
[03:25] <DaveMorris> kernel wise
[03:25] <reclusivemonkey> I've got a fresh burn now I will see how this one goes...
[03:25] <Daviey> differnet brand cdr?
[03:25] <DaveMorris> /off to cook dinner
[03:26] <Daviey> yum.. what are we having?
[03:27] <reclusivemonkey> I get the same problem. Boot from ATAPI CD-ROM then L 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99. An exact same brand CD-ROM burned with a Gutsy ISO boots fine
[03:35] <hugolp> anyone using Gutsy and dvb-t pci card nova t-500 or dvb-t usb dongle aver media volar?
[03:37] <Daviey> hugolp: I _think_ DaveMorris uses the t-500
[03:37] <Daviey> I use the Nova-T, single tuner
[03:39] <hugolp> This morning I updated the gutsy packages. They were 210 MB including new mythtv packages and a new kernel. With the new kernel I get an error everytime I try to compile the v4l-dvb source to get suport for those cards
[03:39] <hugolp> Im following the guide at mythtv webpage that worked before in Gutsy
[03:42] <hugolp> brb
[03:57] <DaveMorris> http://notpopular.com/blogs/josh/2006/02/23/l-99-99-99-99-99-99-99-99-99-99-99-99-99-99-99-99-99-99-99/
[03:59] <reclusivemonkey> DaveMorris: I've just burned a Xbuntu ISO; it boots fine
[04:20] <DaveMorris> reclusivemonkey: eveything I read about that problem points to a MBR problem with your disks, rather than when loading from a CD.
[04:20] <DaveMorris> it's weird
[04:21] <DaveMorris> coz if it's the rc it should affect me as well
[04:22] <reclusivemonkey> DaveMorris: Yeah it threw me. I have seen L 99 many times before, but its always been when booting from a HD.
[04:22] <DaveMorris> looking at your bug, it doesn't seem to even uncompress the kernel etc
[04:23] <Daviey> is the i386 or amd64?
[04:23] <reclusivemonkey> No that's it it just sticks as soon as it tried to boot from the CDROM. As I say, Gutsy is fine; I am installing that now, and then hopefully I can grab the Mythbuntu packages that way
[04:23] <reclusivemonkey> its the i386
[04:52] <MitoTranin> solarbaby: did you see my messages from last night about your remote?
[05:04] <reclusivemonkey> GAH! Its not the CD giving the L 99 99 99 error
[07:10] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: Heya
[07:10] <MitoTranin> hey
[07:10] <MitoTranin> I have a meeting in 10 minutes...
[07:10] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: Yeah.. I get your point entirely
[07:10] <MitoTranin> cool...
[07:10] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: no worries..  I spent all night trying to figure this out, and I still can't figure this out
[07:11] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: I even talked through email with the guy at USBUIRT and he thinks that Lirc is lacking
[07:11] <MitoTranin> so have you tried anything along those lines?
[07:11] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: all I wish to do is transmit from MythTV to my Dish, thats all
[07:11] <MitoTranin> have you tried asking around in #lirc or whatever their channel is?
[07:12] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: USBUIRT Transmits perfectly from a Windows computer to the same satalite dish
[07:12] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: I'll do that
[07:12] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: at least I know the hardware is fully capable
[07:13] <MitoTranin> yes, and this is always a good thing to know :)
[07:13] <MitoTranin> now it's just that the software needs to be told what to do :0
[07:13] <MitoTranin> :)
[07:13] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: Im having difficulties getting IRW to respond with any codes from any remote..
[07:13] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: I figured if I could get IRW to work, then I could figure out what these codes are
[07:13] <MitoTranin> well, see, that was part of my point
[07:14] <MitoTranin> get it working with *any* remote, just so that you know lirc is working properly
[07:14] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: done that
[07:14] <MitoTranin> once lirc is working properly, THEN deal with getting it to transmit
[07:14] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: it controls my xbox perfect from lirc
[07:14] <MitoTranin> but don't ever try to get it to receive from the dish remote, because that's not needed
[07:14] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: right
[07:15] <MitoTranin> I didn't know you had it setup to transmit to your xbox
[07:15] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: I just dont understand why any of the premade dish scripts wont work, but the premade xbox one is absolutely wonderful
[07:15] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: the xbox was just a test
[07:15] <MitoTranin> dunno
[07:15] <MitoTranin> -> #lirc   :)
[07:15] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: yeah its crazy my friend
[07:16] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: if only lirc would make things easier
[07:16] <MitoTranin> I would say get it working to the xbox
[07:16] <MitoTranin> and then don't mess with the hardware configs anymore
[07:16] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: all i have to do is copy a script over and it works on the xbox as is
[07:16] <MitoTranin> at that point you know it works... so deal with the transmit codes and frequencies etc
[07:17] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: i shouldn't say script.. all I have to do is copy over lircd.conf and reset lirc and it works on the xbox
[07:17] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: hehe.. yeah i understand
[07:17] <MitoTranin> ok, but I gotta run
[07:17] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: I really could use someone whos been there right about now
[07:18] <MitoTranin> gotta get to a meeting
[07:18] <solarbaby> MitoTranin: seeya later
[07:18] <MitoTranin> later
[07:18] <MitoTranin> look for the lirc channel and ask around there
[07:51] <reclusivemonkey> ubotu
[08:17] (pdragon_/#ubuntu-mythtv) are you running as a different user than you were before?
[08:17] (reclusivemonkey/#ubuntu-mythtv) pdragon: nope, same user all through the setup
[08:18] (pdragon/#ubuntu-mythtv) hmm... there went my one try at troubleshooting :)
[08:19] <reclusivemonkey> DaveMorris: the L 99 error was a red herring; the Mythbuntu CD-ROM still didn't start but the L 99 error was nothing to do with it
[08:28] <reclusivemonkey> have we got anyone else here trying out mythbuntu?
[08:28] <DaveMorris> what was the cause?
[08:29] <DaveMorris> can you close you bug report if thats the case, and if it still doesn't boot because of a nother problem open a new ticket
[08:29] <reclusivemonkey> DaveMorris: I had swapped some of the internals of my myth box as part of my upgrade and it was trying to boot from the archive HD when the CD-ROM failed. I will remove the L 99 from the bug as the rest is still the same.
[08:29] <pdragon> reclusivemonkey: i've been running it since alpha 4
[08:30] <reclusivemonkey> pdragon: How is it working for you?
[08:30] <pdragon> working great
[08:30] <reclusivemonkey> excellent =]  what do you think of the Mythbuntu Control Centre?
[08:30] <Daviey> reclusivemonkey: I've been using it since pre Alpha 1 :D
[08:31] <pdragon> only 2 bugs not fixed yet that i've run into. nothing show stopping
[08:31] <pdragon> they're both reported
[08:31] <Daviey> pdragon: which ones?
[08:31] <reclusivemonkey> its great, but I thought it might be slightly more intuitive run as a wizard step by step
[08:31] <pdragon> needing to boot in safe graphics mode to install & the error message when you eject an optical disk
[08:32] <reclusivemonkey> Daviey: pdragon where are you both from?
[08:32] <Daviey> reclusivemonkey: next release will do more for you... remember this is the first offical release coming up...  It does more than i expected it tod it to
[08:33] <pdragon> i'm in the US
[08:33] <Daviey> "it do do" .. damn keyboard lag
[08:33] <Daviey> uk
[08:33] <reclusivemonkey> Daviey: Yes of course I think I was expecting a bit too much. I have done it so many times by hand before I can do it pretty quick. I am still wading through it now :-S
[08:34] <reclusivemonkey> pdragon: ah, you have a lot more channels than me then ;-)
[08:34] <Daviey> reclusivemonkey: ah, your a regular pro then :D
[08:35] <reclusivemonkey> Daviey: lol well not quite, but I have fought my way through a fair few problems =]
[08:35] <reclusivemonkey> I started with it on Slackware; just compiling everything took about a week first time!
[08:36] <reclusivemonkey> I'm just glad I have kept all my notes over the years!
[08:39] <Daviey> If you have suggestions for 8.04, make them known - we'll be planning soon
[08:39] <reclusivemonkey> Daviey: where would the best place be for that?
[08:40] <rhpot1991> hmmm: anyone ever seen anything like this in dmesg?
[08:40] <rhpot1991> [ 5846.399748]  ivtv0: All encoder MPEG stream buffers are full. Dropping data.
[08:40] <rhpot1991> [ 5846.399757]  ivtv0: Cause: the application is not reading fast enough.
[08:40] <Daviey> reclusivemonkey: either the mailing list or launchpad.. marked as "Wishlist"
[08:51] <Daviey> rhpot1991: nope, never seen that
[08:51] <Daviey> sorry
[08:51] <reclusivemonkey> Ok Daviey thanks I will make a note. Although I have a 16 month old son so I don't get anywhere near as much time as I used to for technical matters!
[08:51] <rhpot1991> also this in the mythbackend log:MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: select timeout - ivtv driver has stopped responding
[08:51] <rhpot1991> does that till the box crashes apparently
[08:51] <Daviey> rhpot1991: what card is this?
[08:51] <rhpot1991> pvr350
[08:51] <rhpot1991> within the past 2 weeks I have noticed the box randomly freezing
[08:51] <Daviey> rhpot1991: Hmm.. that is odd.. the 350 is pretty popular
[08:51] <rhpot1991> let me check my otherbox with the 150 and see if there is anything in there
[08:51] <Daviey> rhpot1991: maybe worth checking the IRQ sharing?
[08:51] <rhpot1991> how would I go about that?
[08:51] <rhpot1991> nope, 150 doesn't seem to be doing it
[08:54] (rhpot1991/#ubuntu-mythtv) its strange though, this is a new problem
[08:54] (rhpot1991/#ubuntu-mythtv) nothing hardware wise has changed
[08:55] <rhpot1991> think it could possibly be files not being recorded fast enough to transfer to the hard drive?
[08:56] <Daviey> could well be!
[08:56] <Daviey> mind you.. i store DVB over NFS
[08:57] <Daviey> how much RAM does this box have?
[08:57] <rhpot1991> I'm gonna bump the % of drive to be left free and see if that helps
[08:57] <rhpot1991> if I can find it in mythweb
[08:58] <Daviey> erm, think that is in mythfrontend options
[08:58] <rhpot1991> might have to wait till I get home
[08:58] <rhpot1991> I see: HDRingbufferSize
[08:58] <rhpot1991> but I don't want to change it and junk stuff up
[09:34] <reclusivemonkey> gah I completely forgot what a mess the nvidia config settings made of xorg.conf :-S
[10:54] <reclusivemonkey> I'm almost there... anyone got any tips on how to get LIRC working?
[11:08] <therethinker> $mcc
[11:10] <therethinker> $mcc
[11:43] <rhpot1991> whats up with the screen saver kicking on in gutsy?
[11:53] <tgm4883_laptop> is this a fresh rc install?
[11:53] <tgm4883_laptop> rhpot1991, ^^
[11:53] <rhpot1991> nope
[11:53] <rhpot1991> upgraded from feisty
[11:54] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[11:54] <tgm4883_laptop> how long ago did you upgrade?
[11:54] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, ping ^^^^^
[11:54] <rhpot1991> last night
[11:54] <rhpot1991> I'll check for updates when my wife is done watching her soap opera
[11:55] <tgm4883_laptop> well i just want to check with superm1 to see if this is still a problem
[11:55] <tgm4883_laptop> is it a slow fade?  Or instant?
[11:56] <tazgodx> i had that problem with knoppmyth, a slowfade into screensaaver. main reason i left knoppmyth so fast. :)
[11:57] <rhpot1991> slow fade into black
[11:57] <tazgodx> tgm4883_laptop: do you know if its possible to use knoppmyth's '.sh' scripts to install certain things on mythbuntu?
[11:57] <tgm4883_laptop> doubt it
[11:57] <tgm4883_laptop> what are you trying to install?
[11:58] <tazgodx> im gonna install my serial irblaster today, and they had a sh script for my serial irblaster and my box already
[11:58] <tazgodx> guess ill do it the hard LOOOOONNNNNNG way
[11:58] <tgm4883_laptop> well open the script up and see whats inside
[12:15] <Daviey> tazgodx: can you pastebin the script so i can look at it?
[12:15] <superm1> tazgodx, setting up a blaster shouldn't be difficult unless you *also* have a remote setup
[12:16] <superm1> rhpot1991, in ubuntu-mythtv-frontend, ubuntu, or mythbuntu?
[12:18] <tazgodx> just a blaster, im gonna look for the script in one second and ill let you see it
[12:18] <tazgodx> i know its on the disk, i jsut have to find it :)
[12:20] <superm1> tazgodx, i really think you are much better off doing it by hand
[12:20] <superm1> we do things significantly differently
[12:20] <superm1> i can tell you that already
[12:20] <superm1> you need the lircd.conf that represents your cable box added to /etc/lirc/lircd.conf
[12:20] <superm1> sudo dpkg-reconfigure lirc
[12:20] <superm1> and choose the serial option
[12:20] <superm1> and then test a blast like this
[12:20] <superm1> irsend -d /dev/lircd SEND_ONCE REMOTE BUTTON
[12:20] <superm1> where REMOTE is your REMOTE added to lircd.conf
[12:21] <superm1> BUTTON is the button you're trying to send
[12:21] <rhpot1991> ubuntu-mythtv-frontend
[12:22] <superm1> rhpot1991, hm interesting.
[12:22] <superm1> rhpot1991, well two options i see
[12:22] <superm1> either turn off the screensaver
[12:22] <superm1> via gnome-screensaver-preferences
[12:23] <superm1> or try to add a delay after it's launched
[12:23] <superm1> in /usr/share/mythtv/startmythtv.sh
[12:23] <rhpot1991> let me go ahead and make sure its up to date and still doing it
[12:24] <rhpot1991> got another question for you while you are here
[12:24] <rhpot1991> [ 5846.399748]  ivtv0: All encoder MPEG stream buffers are full. Dropping data.
[12:24] <rhpot1991> [ 5846.399757]  ivtv0: Cause: the application is not reading fast enough.
[12:24] <rhpot1991> in my dmesg
[12:25] <tazgodx> yeah ill probably do it that way, i would need to reboot into my knoppmyth cd to get the script. but they do have my box, so maybe ill use thier lircd.conf file tho.
[12:25] <rhpot1991> and a bunch of these in my mythbackend.log till the box crashes:
[12:25] <rhpot1991> 2007-10-15 19:39:16.811 MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: select timeout - ivtv driver has stopped responding
[12:25] <rhpot1991>  /dev/video0 is a pvr350
[12:26] <rhpot1991> could it be a problem where there isn't enough hard drive space cleared up in time for the video? or have you ever seen anything like that?
[12:27] <tgm4883> superm1, do you still think that the gnome-screensaver is going to come up on new installs?
[12:27] <superm1> tgm4883, it doesnt happen in mythbuntu installs afaik
[12:27] <superm1> its just affecting ubuntu-mythtv-frontend ones
[12:27] <superm1> it seems
[12:28] <tgm4883> ah
[12:28] <tgm4883> as long as it doesn't effect mythbuntu installs im ok
[12:28] <superm1> rhpot1991, i've seen that happen before too, but never to a crash.  can't help you too much with it though sorry
[12:28] <tgm4883> we can add something to the wiki about it
[12:28] <superm1> tgm4883, well never really identified the surefire solution for it though i think
[12:28] <rhpot1991> alright, I'm gonna try increasing the HD free space percentage, if that doesn't help I'll hit the mailing list
[12:41] <foxbuntu> troy_s, evening
[12:42] <troy_s> foxbuntu: greets -- how you doing?
[12:42] <foxbuntu> troy_s, alright, yourself?
[12:42] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Good thanks... we should perhaps start discussing the default design?
[12:42] <foxbuntu> troy_s, indeed
[12:42] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Being all of the options and sub pages that will be available in the default design
[12:43] <troy_s> foxbuntu: so that I can wrap my head around all of the bits...
[12:43] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Perhaps a wiki with a SVG flowchart?
[12:43] <troy_s> foxbuntu: erm wiki page.
[12:43] <foxbuntu> troy_s, we could do that
[12:43] <foxbuntu> and kind of fill in the blanks
[12:43] <troy_s> foxbuntu: I think it would help to - exactly.
[12:44] <troy_s> foxbuntu: We can put checkmarks in for the various bits and I can use pencil sketches for 'temp art' areas.
[12:44] <foxbuntu> you want to create one...or see an existing one?
[12:44] <foxbuntu> troy_s, ok
[12:44] <troy_s> foxbuntu: I am unfortunately entirely unfamiliar with Myth -- learning -- but still unfamiliar.
[12:44] <troy_s> foxbuntu: The main thing is the default design -- as it is fully cusomizable
[12:44] <foxbuntu> troy_s, no big deal...I can fill all that in
[12:44] <troy_s> foxbuntu: So some of those decisions are going to need to be made regarding the default installation audience.
[12:45] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Once you have the full 'plan', I think I can start generating the content relatively quickly.
[12:45] <foxbuntu> troy_s, agreed
[12:45] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Sooooo - Inkscape has that 'link' tool to design flowcharts... probably a good starting point.
[12:45] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Are you up to a precursory map?
[12:46] <foxbuntu> sure
[12:46] <troy_s> foxbuntu: It can be completely rough and I can polish it up
[12:46] <troy_s> foxbuntu: As a starting point, I would say we need the basic pages with flow links to the sub pages
[12:46] <troy_s> foxbuntu: fully mapped out.
[12:47] <foxbuntu> troy_s, I will put together a good flow chart for that
[12:47] <foxbuntu> actually...how about Visio?
[12:47] <troy_s> foxbuntu: That would be IMMENSELY helpful.
[12:47] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Never used it... what / where?
[12:47] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Whatever works easily for you -- I can generate a visual svg from there.
[12:47] <foxbuntu> ok
[12:47] <troy_s> foxbuntu: The main thing is to see how we are going to alter the default installation to make it very 'turnkey' and easy for a new and inexperienced user.
[12:48] <foxbuntu> I can actually send you a jpeg of the list
[12:48] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Mythbuntu could be a key player in getting Ubuntu exposed to people who might not be using it as a desktop.
[12:48] <troy_s> foxbuntu: To start though, we need that flow chart with a full subpage flow outline.
[12:48] <foxbuntu> troy_s, I would sure hope to be invovled in something like that :)
[12:49] <foxbuntu> troy_s, I would highly reccomend to download a tarball of one of the existing mythtv themes so you get an idea of the artwork inside
[12:49] <troy_s> foxbuntu: That's exactly the point.  Map out a flowchart as you think.
[12:50] <foxbuntu> troy_s, I will get started on that asap...(however tonight is consumed with attempt #2 at fixing my old pickup
[12:52] <foxbuntu> troy_s, the internals of MythTV actually has two seperate theme peices we will have to deal with
[12:53] <foxbuntu> troy_s, the Main Theme...and an OSD Theme
[12:54] <rhpot1991> anyone have any idea how I would figure out which gdm.conf gnome is using?
[12:56] <tazgodx> ok, hypothetically speaking, if i were someone looking for a pre-made lircd.conf file for my certain STB, where would i be looking for it? :)
[12:57] <troy_s> foxbuntu: OSD?
[12:57] <troy_s> foxbuntu: On Screen Diagnostics?
[12:57] <foxbuntu> troy_s, On Screen Display
[12:57] <troy_s> lol
[12:57] <foxbuntu> troy_s, close :)
[12:57] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Ok... so two chunks
[12:57] <foxbuntu> yea
[12:57] <troy_s> foxbuntu: When I run MythTV I take it I am seeing the 'Main Theme'
[12:57] <foxbuntu> the OSD is a small theme package however
[12:57] <troy_s> foxbuntu: What does the OSD control?
[12:57] <foxbuntu> right
[12:58] <foxbuntu> the OSD is the Guide, and the channel info that shows up in the title bars
[12:58] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Yes.  This is where it is going to get really sticky for us.
[12:58] <foxbuntu> tazgodx, a lircd.conf for a STB?
[12:58] <troy_s> foxbuntu: As you can imagine with our design, we are looking at trying to get (obviously) a font that works for htat.
[12:58] <foxbuntu> troy_s, agreed
[12:58] <troy_s> foxbuntu: The general 'buttons' and such are going to be a huge problem.
[12:58] <foxbuntu> troy_s, and the DPI based rendering of fonts can make that tricky
[12:58] <troy_s> foxbuntu: As the big buttons most certainly should be in that sort of pre-visual style or something akin to that
[12:59] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Absolutely.
[12:59] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Further still, the availability of free fonts that meet our design is well... non-existent
[12:59] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Some are 'free' but not Free.
[12:59] <foxbuntu> tazgodx, I assume you are looking for a way to change the channels on your STB?
[12:59] <tazgodx> yeah
[12:59] <troy_s> foxbuntu: So perhaps a little legwork and some email could help to resolve that -- once we come to some agreement on a final verdict.
[01:00] <troy_s> foxbuntu: I believe we could make headway with brody
[01:00] <foxbuntu> tazgodx, then you are looking for the channel binary and a serial cable, or an ir blaster
[01:00] <tazgodx> i have an irblaster
[01:00] <tazgodx> but superm1 said "<superm1> you need the lircd.conf that represents your cable box added to /etc/lirc/lircd.conf"
[01:01] <foxbuntu> tazgodx, ah right...
[01:01] <foxbuntu> what you need to do is generate that yourself..or google for your STB model
[01:01] <troy_s> foxbuntu: It will turn into a show stopper for us at some point however, if we are met with failure.
[01:02] <tazgodx> i was hoping to steer away from making it myself, cause im hella lazy today, and don't ahve much time
[01:02] <foxbuntu> tazgodx, sorry
[01:02] <foxbuntu> troy_s, I hope we can work around that
[01:02] <troy_s> foxbuntu: As it would probably require rendering to PNG (and all of the nasty locale problems from that -- heck -- I don't even know if we will be in locale problem with the character set as it is)
[01:02] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Well that's just it... from my vantage this is a monumental bit of thinking ahead.
[01:02] <foxbuntu> troy_s, agreed
[01:03] <troy_s> foxbuntu: My worst fear is that we can't negotiate something and we end up using the fonts currently in place -- which as you can already probably see would be underwhelming and half - as*ed.
[01:04] <foxbuntu> troy_s, I think in the mean time while the planning starts on this next phase...we should work out some fine tuning in the GTK and Xfce arena
[01:04] <foxbuntu> troy_s, we will make it work :)
[01:04] <foxbuntu> troy_s, however...the good news is...in the .21 (next) release of MythTV the DPI based rendering is gone
[01:05] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Phew.
[01:06] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Soooooooooooo baby steps -- that flow chart.
[01:06] <foxbuntu> troy_s, yup
[01:06] <troy_s> foxbuntu: I presume that XFCE has its own theming format?
[01:06] <foxbuntu> troy_s, yeah
[01:06] <troy_s> foxbuntu: and then it would require some matching set for the gtkrc
[01:06] <foxbuntu> its pretty easy though
[01:06] <troy_s> (as I assume there is gtk in mythbuntu)
[01:06] <foxbuntu> troy_s, yes
[01:07] <troy_s> (although if there is, there isn't much need to use xfce really)
[01:07] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Okie.  I didn't really much give any thought to window interfaces... could be a bit of experimentation there.
[01:07] <foxbuntu> troy_s, we are using xfce to have a desktop for easy use of things like the managment interface (Mythbuntu Control Centre
[01:07] <troy_s> okie.
[01:08] <foxbuntu> troy_s, and icons if you can do that too :)
[01:08] <troy_s> foxbuntu: I guess we need to start brainstorming what it might look like using reference photos or something.
[01:08] <troy_s> foxbuntu: The icons are already more or less having a starting vector -- that was a byproduct of thinking ahead to the mythtv interface
[01:08] <foxbuntu> troy_s, yup going to have to roll back to step 1 like we did to get the logo, overall look and such
[01:08] <foxbuntu> at least we have those for a jumping point
[01:09] <troy_s> foxbuntu: It would make sense that if you say boil down the interface page to 5 or whatever options, that each offer an era-like fun glyph/icon next to the buttons.
[01:09] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Yes, and easier as we have some idea of a tonal range etc.
[01:09] <foxbuntu> troy_s, ok...sounds great
[01:10] <foxbuntu> troy_s, can you email the HTML values for the pallete on the wallpaper?
[01:11] <foxbuntu> troy_s, well...that won't do much good right now however
[01:11] <foxbuntu> troy_s,  I will start the wheels turning on ideas for all the work ahead
[01:11] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Yes.  I am still browsing some of my library colour books to see how to round it out -- in particular I want to twiddle the 'extremely lighter' base of the usplash for example so that it pulls more into greeny a tad -- we need to really avoid that nasty 'everything is blue' and make it distinctly that tealy.
[01:11] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Great.
[01:11] <troy_s> foxbuntu: So if you can bang out a flowchart as you would like to see the default design installation, I can start fleshing out the bones.
[01:12] <foxbuntu> troy_s, great!
[01:12] <foxbuntu> troy_s, I gtg...but I will catch up with you more later
[01:13] <troy_s> foxbuntu: Aight... as always, feel free to hit with email.
[01:13] <foxbuntu> troy_s, same...later


[07:17] <AlanBell> newz2000: what is the status of the wiki theme now?
[14:34] <newz2000> AlanBell: I'm not certain, I've got to find an answer to that myself today
[14:35] <AlanBell> ok
[14:38] <AlanBell> so who did the wordpress theme?
[14:38] <newz2000> stas did that
[14:39] <stas> waz up guys :)
[14:39] <AlanBell> I am working on the new Ubuntu-UK site
[14:40] <AlanBell> based on the wordpress theme, but tweaked a bit for accessibility and other stuff
[14:40] <stas> AlanBell: glad to hear that, if you need help or got questions i'm around
[14:40] <AlanBell> I can't figure out why the menu at the top in the second header doesn't display most of the time
[14:40] <AlanBell> http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/about/
[14:41] <AlanBell> http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/asdfkja
[14:41] <AlanBell> so on the 404 page there is a menu of pages at the top, it seems to be off on all the other pages and I can't figure out what is doing it
[14:42] <stas> AlanBell: you're using trunk?
[14:42] <stas> i mean the bzr branch
[14:42] <AlanBell> well it came from trunk initially
[14:42] <stas> what version it says it is? 2-rc?
[14:42] <stas> 0.2-rc
[14:42] <AlanBell> but I have been prodding at it with the wordpress editor
[14:43] <AlanBell> actually it claims to be 0.1-stable
[14:44] <stas> AlanBell: just put a dummy text widget in secondary header menu
[14:44] <stas> 0.1-stable is good, but 2-rc is better, has new stylings for pages and posts, plus some bugfixes for 404 pages and compatibility with latest thematic
[14:44] <stas> they updated it recently
[14:45] <stas> newz2000: the ubuntu-news.org js part is still broken
[14:46] <AlanBell> not sure what you mean by the secondary header menu
[14:46] <AlanBell> there are no "menus" defined
[14:46] <AlanBell> there are widget areas including Menu and Sub Menu
[14:47] <stas> AlanBell: http://is.gd/g8azd
[14:47] <stas> sub menu i mean, my bad sorry
[14:47] <AlanBell> ok, I put a text widget there, still doesn't work
[14:48] <stas> hmm... can you update the functions.php file from bzr branch, it should bring some fixes
[14:49] <AlanBell> ok
[14:49] <stas> nope it doesnt, just checked that on http://new.ubuntu.softwareliber.ro/404
[14:50]  * stas fixing it now
[14:50] <AlanBell> great
[15:31] <stas> AlanBell: should be fixed with rev.14, though loggerhead will show something else
[15:31] <stas> http://paste.ubuntu.com/516275/
[15:31]  * stas sorry had to reinstall full lnmp stack after 10.10 upgrade
[16:30] <AlanBell> hmm, that breaks it for the 404 too!
[16:36] <AlanBell> stas: 404 was the only page where it worked
[16:36] <AlanBell> unless it isn't actually supposed to display the pages
[16:37] <stas> AlanBell: by default it displays the subpages
[16:37] <stas> on 404 page it was displaying some weird pages list
[16:39] <AlanBell> hmm, it was displaying all of them
[16:40] <AlanBell> as opposed to none of them, which my other pages are doing
[16:41] <AlanBell> oooooh there is supposed to be stuff in the top orange bar . . .
[16:42] <AlanBell> now I undersand the problem, it is the top bar that isn't working
[16:50] <stas> AlanBell: use the custom menus, to create a menu for top bar
[16:53] <AlanBell> full. of. awesome.
[16:54] <stas> the point of submenu to list subpages is that some websites need a secondary menu for listing navigation, and if there's nothing to show off you can place a default widget with text or list of links inside
[16:54] <stas> or another custom menu
[16:59] <AlanBell> yeah, that makes sense, I just thought it was supposed to be the main menu


[03:49] <nigelb> wow, new channel :)
[04:33] <valorie> all shiny and stuff
[07:41] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:10] <czajkowski> http://breakingnews.ie/world/web-rant-pilot-crashes-into-tax-office-446812.html Lordie!
[10:08] <Tm_T> that actually reminds me, do we have any "no offtopic" rules here?
[10:08] <Tm_T> and topic should mention #ubuntu-women channel too (:
[10:31] <elky> our kiwi friend just joined #wikipedia and proclaimed that he's "[t]here to troll"
[10:40] <Tm_T> we will need ops in -women soon
[10:44] <elky> yeah. i wonder if he followed his namesake from #f or was nudged to do so
[11:33] <AlanBell> czajkowski: what was that VLE thingie you were pointing out a while back?
[11:43] <AlanBell> found it .LRN
[12:42] <czajkowski> Tm_T: why did my link remind you of off topipc ?
[13:22] <Tm_T> czajkowski: in a way that noone knows what's offtopic here (:
[13:23] <Tm_T> and I noticed that we didn't use -women as we would usually do
[13:23] <czajkowski> didn't realise we needed on... shrugs
[13:23] <czajkowski> we've never enforced it in the other channel
[13:24] <Tm_T> czajkowski: I didn't say we need
[13:26] <Tm_T> but as we do have two channels for this project, some written idea of what these are used for wouldn't hurt, right?
[13:26] <czajkowski> I beleive that will come under guidelines which is an action item alright.
[13:28] <Tm_T> great (:
[13:28] <czajkowski> hope that helps
[22:36] <issyl0> Bah, czajkowski quit!
[22:37] <AlanBell> she tweeted about being in London today
[22:37] <issyl0> Oh!
[22:37] <issyl0> As in London, UK ?
[22:37] <issyl0> Cool!
[22:39] <issyl0> I just wanted some advice on my Ubuntu wiki page, basically... is it alright, considering I might bite the bullet and apply for Ubuntu Membership sometime soon.
[22:39] <issyl0> s/basically/really/
[22:40] <AlanBell> I think it is good
[22:40]  * issyl0 moved that to #u-w
[22:40] <AlanBell> however I would suggest waiting until after the science museum thing is a huge success
[22:41] <issyl0> Hmm, that needs sorting out actually!  I'll move discussion of that to #u-uk :)


[08:51] <Madpilot> anyone know where the Ubuntu splashscreen & such are packaged?
[08:51] <Madpilot> upgrading to Gutsy got me a blue Gnome splashscreen instead of an Ubuntu one
[08:52] <Madpilot> also little blue Gnome feet in the top-left, instead of the small Ubuntu circle...
[10:18] <lapo> hi
[11:30] <nysosym> hi there
[11:30] <nysosym> what do you think about?
[11:30] <nysosym> http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ichatspacefn8.png
[11:51] <lassegul> nysosym: hi!
[11:51] <nysosym> hi lassegul :)
[11:51] <lassegul> nysosym: is this an icon?
[11:51] <nysosym> lassegul: yes for OSX 10.5
[11:53] <lassegul> nysosym: its nice, but the shape on the bubble is a little wierd, and how does this scale? how does it look in 30x30 or such ?
[11:53] <lassegul> s/on/of/
[11:56] <nysosym> mom
[11:56] <lassegul> :P
[11:57] <nysosym> that's the look of 16x16
[11:57] <nysosym> http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2044/ichatspaceminiaa6.png
[11:59] <nysosym> i think it's ok
[12:01] <lassegul> It might be a little hard to see the white shape in the middle for the 16x16 version. How about cleaning away all other objects than the blue bubble and the white rectangle for the 16x16 version?
[12:02] <lassegul> and perhaps it would be better with  the arrow of the bubble being just a bit thicker(bigger)?
[12:07] <lassegul> nysosym: what do you think?
[12:20] <nysosym> lassegul: should be possible :D
[12:28] <mhb> hmm, isn't this channel for ubuntu anymore?
[12:29] <nysosym> sure, but this is also a channel with many good artist, i thought here can i get the best critic :D
[13:22] <nysosym> how can i do ultra sharp icon also in small sizes. I have created so much icons but they look a little bit blurry in a small edition
[15:43] <andrew_> hey guys, im not a computer whiz, but i am big on open source, and have a suggestion
[15:43] <andrew_> make something that allows non tech literate people like myself to change the login background easier
[15:44] <andrew_> just put their own picture on there like a desktop background, maybe even editable login box transparency and fonts?
[17:20] <BHSPitMonkey> andrew must not have seen the Login Window preference
[20:19] <bersace> Hi everyone
[20:19] <bersace> kwwii: sad i won't be there Nov the 2nd
[20:19] <bersace> i'll be away from internet
[21:47] <kwwii> bersace: when could you come?
[21:47] <kwwii> I sent an email to the list asking for people's ideas
[21:47] <kwwii> I cannot come on the 2nd either :-)
[21:47] <kwwii> bersace: I was thinking either the 1st or sometime in the next week
[22:00] <bersace> kwwii: same
[22:17] <kwwii> bersace: sounds like you are taking vacation :-)
[22:17] <bersace> yep
[22:17] <kwwii> hehe, you lucky fool
[22:17] <bersace> kwwii: hey, that's my last student year (hopefuly)
[22:17] <kwwii> I would easily trade being at the meeting for having vacation ;-)
[22:18] <bersace> And next year is a sabbatic year, of course :P
[22:18] <bersace> :)
[22:18] <kwwii> what degree are you working on?
[22:18] <kwwii> bersace: I think that the UDS stuff concerning GDM might be of more interest to you anyway
[22:19] <bersace> ah
[22:19] <bersace> good
[22:19] <kwwii> the meeting will be more about setting up a gallery or not, and what exactly we need in that respect
[22:19] <bersace> also, i'm really thinking on working on wide-theme-switcher next summer, for hardy+1 (aka i*y)
[22:19] <bersace> maybe using Google Summer of Code
[22:20] <kwwii> that would be killer
[22:20] <kwwii> very good idea
[22:20] <kwwii> +10 if you could get that to work for both gtk and qt :-)
[22:21] <kwwii> kde has this half broken gtk2qt engine but gnome has nothing like that
[22:21] <bersace> i may thinkg "backend/frontend", but never write a line of qt
[22:21] <bersace> each one has its own pride
[22:21] <kwwii> so for gnome people it would be nice to have a way to get their apps themed even if they use qt
[22:21] <bersace> :P
[22:21] <bersace> ah
[22:22] <kwwii> I am not sure that you would need a qt frontend
[22:22] <bersace> i though you were talking about the capplet itself
[22:22] <bersace> the idea is to create something like MetaTheme (there is such subject in xdg)
[22:22] <kwwii> and even so, if it simply set the theme across the boards I am sure someone would step up and write the qt front-end
[22:22] <bersace> MetaTheme includes a gtk and a Qt theme
[22:22] <kwwii> exactly
[22:23] <bersace> as well as gdm, usplash, (grub?), metacity, compiz, kwin, xfwin, …
[22:23] <bersace> the list is undefined
[22:23] <kwwii> yeah, it would be a real effort to get themes ready
[22:23] <bersace> the artist (team ?) can produce a theme with a variable coverage
[22:23] <kwwii> as it would probably include sounds, etc
[22:23] <bersace> yeas !
[22:23] <kwwii> but we could adapt the automatic theme builder to do a metatheme
[22:24] <bersace> gnome-app-install handle packages, mime-type/codecs, firefox-extension. i'm willing to add thems
[22:24] <bersace> themes
[22:24] <kwwii> at least then it would only be a matter of switching things in one place
[22:24] <bersace> i need a good mentor for such project
[22:24] <bersace> someone like dholbach
[22:24] <bersace> robitaille
[22:24] <bersace> dunno very well
[22:24] <kwwii> yeah, it was a big loss for us that he left the desktop team to work on the community stuff
[22:24] <bersace> i'll try to get gnome-scan 0.6 up for March
[22:24] <kwwii> I felt the difference having to build my own packages
[22:25] <bersace> then let's wide-theme-switcher on the way
[22:25] <bersace> ack
[22:25] <kwwii> coming from SUSE and a pure kde world it was quite a bit of extra work for me
[22:25] <kwwii> is there already a spec (blueprint now) for this?
[22:25] <kwwii> I recall seeing something
[22:26] <kwwii> if not, perhaps I should suggest one for the boston UDS
[22:27] <kwwii> would you have time to talk about this with us at UDS? as of when are you going to be out of touch?
[22:36] <bersace> re
[22:36] <bersace> i wrote wide-theme-switcher specs about one years ago
[22:37] <bersace> first result for "wide-theme-switcher"
[22:37] <bersace> !
[22:40] <bersace> kwwii: as i said, i will pop up this spec for hardy+1