[08:17] <wardster> hello is this the place to discuss unity 8?
[08:45] <ltinkl> wardster, hi, sure
[10:19] <wardster> hey guys anybody gpt a min to answer a question?
[10:19] <wardster> im just looking at running unity 8 on my laptop.. which sistro is best to test on 16.04 or 16.10
[10:20] <wardster> *distro
[10:30] <Saviq> wardster, they are mostly equal, provided you add the "overlay" ppa on 16.04
[10:30] <Saviq> wardster, see http://mhall119.com/2016/05/dogfooding-unity-8/
[10:30] <wardster> thats the one i followed that did work but a update has killed my application scope app so cant run any apps now! so not sure what i need to do - reinstall?!
[10:39] <Saviq> wardster, there was a temporary issue yesterday related to a Qt upgrade
[10:39] <Saviq> wardster, do you have "unity-scope-click" installed?
[10:40] <wardster> thats what ill need how do i reinstall that and it will be working again ! :)
[10:40] <wardster> thankyou :)
[10:40] <Saviq> wardster, please install that, also run `gsettings reset com.canonical.Unity.Dash favorite-scopes` in case your list of favourites got mangled
[10:41] <Saviq> you can check what the value is with `gsettings get com.canonical.Unity.Dash favorite-scopes`
[10:41] <Saviq> "scope://clickscope" should be the first one
[10:44] <wardster> what command do i use to reinstall or install unity-scope-click
[10:46] <Saviq> wardster, sudo apt install unity-scope-click
[10:49] <wardster> thank you :)
[10:50] <wardster> ill get this done when i get back, its funny im getting so used to using unity 8 as my main desktop now !! :)
[10:55] <wardster> ive tried on a clean install but cant install unity 8 becuase cant install address book app and unity-scope-click - is this the QT problem that blocks installing unity 8
[10:57] <Saviq> wardster, it should be gone now
[10:57] <Saviq> (the problem, I mean)
[10:58] <wardster> there is still a problem ive added the ppa to 16.04 and tried to install but cant install as it needs addres-book-app etc
[10:58] <Saviq> when did you try?
[10:58] <Saviq> anyway, I'll try right now, will verify that unity8-desktop-session is installable on a xenial machine
[10:58] <wardster> one  minute ago
[10:59] <wardster> on 16.04
[11:00] <Saviq> wardster, it might be upgrading when it was wrong got you in a bad state
[11:01] <Saviq> let me write down a few steps that will hopefully help
[11:03] <Saviq> wardster, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23119801/
[12:25] <Quacky2200> Hey guys I have a question about Media keys with MPRIS/Sound Menu. I got the sound menu working for my application but the media keys do not control the indicator??
[13:25] <mterry> cimi: is silo 78 open for newly approved branches?
[13:26] <cimi> mterry, yesss
[13:26] <cimi> i'll add both branches
[13:28] <mterry> the default-wallpaper and infographic ones?  Cool.  The default wallpaper has two more required (approved) non-unity8 branches and one more semi-related (approved) non-unity8 branch that I'd like to stick in there with it.  Let me know when you're done editing and I can add them
[13:28] <mterry> cimi: ^
[13:35] <cimi> mterry, I added those unity8 branches
[13:36] <mterry> thanks!
[13:36] <cimi> mterry, I can add the two deps
[13:36] <cimi> mterry, shall they live in the same silo?
[13:38] <mterry> cimi: added em.  Yeah, they are companion branches to default-wallpaper
[13:38] <mterry> Updating the boot screen and system settings to handle new wallpaper
[20:04] <mterry> josharenson: heyo, are you looking for something to review by any chance?
[20:05] <josharenson> mterry: I claimed your greeter branch earlier
[20:05] <josharenson> mterry: working on it now, my wifi has been spotty and it wasn't cloning
[20:05] <mterry> josharenson: oh the greeter-arrangement one?  very cool, thanks
[20:05] <josharenson> mterry: anything else I should take a look at though?
[20:06] <mterry> josharenson: I have another up and coming branch that causes some crash with lightdm but I'm digging into it.  But the code won't change much (crash is probably on lightdm side)
[20:06] <mterry> josharenson: https://code.launchpad.net/~mterry/unity8/session-lightdm/+merge/300072
[20:06] <mterry> This is well suited for you since you may be the only other person that understands our plugin layout with lightdm
[20:06] <josharenson> mterry: ack
[20:06] <mterry> there's a silo for it, let me add that to the desc
[20:10] <mterry> josharenson: thanks  :)
[20:56] <mterry> josharenson: you said you were looking at greeter-arrangement?  I'm going to do some tweaking to it as I finish testing on different tablet layouts (I don't have a tablet, so I haven't done much testing there yet).  Code won't change that much I hope, but just heads up.  Might be worth waiting a tad
[20:56] <josharenson> mterry: ok, I've only gone over it briefly/syntactically so far so no worries
[20:57] <mterry> cool
[20:57] <josharenson> mterry: I'll work on the other one


[01:07] <agrestringere> Having some crazy problems right now
[01:09] <agrestringere> did a routine install of Xubuntu and added the x-swat ppa, it installed the incorrect driver INTEL and NVIDIA along side now the whole thing's stopping at '* Stopping Userspace bootsplash'
[01:09] <agrestringere> Help, I cant even seem to get past the install here..
[01:09] <agrestringere> everything is breaking...
[01:11] <agrestringere> Stuck in TTY1 single user mode
[01:12] <agrestringere> The question is why did it install the Intel driver?  It's never done that before, ever...
[01:29] <agrestringere> Ill just write up a bug report, that was wierd, it's corrected by ppa-purge
[01:31] <agrestringere> The package is broken
[01:46] <agrestringere> What am I doing wrong with X-SWAT PPA?  For some reason after installing it I cannot get to the desktop manager.  Do I have to remove the current packages first? Then add the repository and then install?
[02:17] <agrestringere> What am I doing wrong with X-SWAT PPA?  For some reason after installing it I cannot get to the desktop manager.  Do I have to remove the current packages first? Then add the repository and then install?
[02:24] <agrestringere> Ok, had to remove everything first, disregard
[21:26] <mlankhorst> Sarvatt: *amused* remember that xorg focus bug? Fairly sure I can reproduce it on my n9 too XD


[13:13] <mike90> faroogh, try this-> "/away 'reason'" :D
[13:13] <mike90> without ""
[13:14] <farooghkz> my client doesnt support that cmd(/away) :p
[13:15] <farooghkz> but i will test it when i can
[13:17] <mike90>  "/away" isnt client side cmd
[13:17] <mike90> it's server side :D
[13:17] <mike90> look @ this :
[13:20] <farooghkz> my client sayed 'unknown command'
[13:21] <mike90> maybe it's case sensitively interpret cmds
[13:21] <mike90> try /AWAY
[13:22] <farooghkz> unknown cmd
[13:22] <mike90> weird !
[13:22] <mike90> try /help
[13:22] <farooghkz> i also tried /Away
[13:23] <mike90> try /help
[13:24] <farooghkz> unknown cmd
[13:24] <farooghkz> tried help,Help,HELP
[13:26] <farooghkz> mike,any idea?
[13:26] <farooghkz> :D
[13:28] <mike90> change ur client
[13:28] <mike90> ;)
[13:28] <farooghkz> cant
[15:49]  * alimj yawns
[15:57]  * mike90 had boring day :(~
[21:04] <m0u> Hey, try these courses:
[21:05] <m0u> 1, http://online.stanford.edu/course/quantum-mechanics-scientists-and-engineers
[21:05] <m0u> 2, http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/physics/8-04-quantum-physics-i-spring-2013/lecture-videos/
[21:05] <m0u> Oops, wrong channel!


[00:30] <g_grower> what is good distro for a new gateway laptop?
[00:31] <ObrienDave> g_grower, that depends on your preferences. try a few ;)
[00:31] <g_grower> tried a couple, none worked.. :(
[00:32] <ObrienDave> define "none worked"
[00:32] <g_grower> think it is something to do with uefi
[00:32] <ObrienDave> ahhh, sec....
[00:33] <ObrienDave> Win8?
[00:34] <g_grower> currently
[00:34] <g_grower> got it for xmas.
[00:34] <Unit193> Ubuntu flavors support UEFI.
[00:34] <Unit193> !uefi
[00:34] <g_grower> i have xubuntu and ubuntu 13.10
[00:35] <g_grower> dont complete bootup process to get to installation process..
[00:36] <g_grower> and studio dvd
[00:36] <ObrienDave> yes, you need to change a setting for it to work. I have no clue about UEFI
[02:57] <Cajunfiend> what is a good filemanager other than the one that comes with xfce desktop
[02:59] <Unit193> Other than thunar?  I like pcmanfm. :P
[02:59] <Cajunfiend> wow i tried to uninstall thunar and it wanted me to uninstall xubuntu-desktop too :o
[03:00] <Unit193> Of course, xubuntu-desktop is the meta that pulls it in.
[03:21] <SonikkuAmerica> Cajunfiend: Not that you had to worry too much; xubuntu-desktop, like Unit193 said, is just a meta; you can un- and install it at whim without any huge system corruption or anything
[05:35] <Wayward_Vagabond> So, my sound has stopped working, and I have no idea how to go about fixing it.
[05:36] <Wayward_Vagabond> Panel's mixer only shows dummy outputs.
[05:36] <Wayward_Vagabond> amixer and alsamixer both throw errors-
[05:37] <Wayward_Vagabond> amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory
[05:37] <Wayward_Vagabond> cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[05:39] <uBUXUBu> no idea if this works for u but just saw someone recommend this to a guy who has sound issues:PulseAudio is a sound server intended as a drop-in replacement for !ESD - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio for information and installation instructions  https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture for alsa info.
[05:39] <Wayward_Vagabond> aplay -l returns this:
[05:39] <Wayward_Vagabond> aplay: device_list:252: no soundcards found...
[05:40] <Wayward_Vagabond> I have pulseaudio and alsa setup, and I've not the slightest clue what broke.
[05:40] <uBUXUBu> i suppose its possible that a hardware failure has occured...
[05:43] <Wayward_Vagabond> Built in sound on a laptop motherboard
[05:45] <uBUXUBu> u prolly already tried sudo also force-reload right?
[05:45] <uBUXUBu> alsa i meant
[05:46] <uBUXUBu> im reading this now: http://itsfoss.com/fix-sound-ubuntu-1304-quick-tip/
[05:46] <uBUXUBu> but u prolly already saw it
[05:46] <Wayward_Vagabond> I did jut now, no effect
[05:47] <uBUXUBu> did u scroll down lower on page and see the 2nd fix?
[05:50] <uBUXUBu> wonder if it would work in ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[05:50] <uBUXUBu> ...long shot i know
[05:50] <Wayward_Vagabond> I'm on quantal, actually
[05:50] <uBUXUBu> hmmm
[05:51] <Wayward_Vagabond> I didn't touch any settings the last uptime sound worked in
[05:52] <uBUXUBu> guess im just chicken but too me i gotta be in 1204 lts
[05:53] <uBUXUBu> ive had issue that made me pull hair outta my head when i too kthose upgrades
[05:54] <uBUXUBu> makes no sence cuz those drvers should be same but once bitten i learn fast
[06:41] <peyam> anybody here?
[16:57] <ZatsuneNoMokou> Hi
[16:57] <ObrienDave> greetings
[16:58] <ZatsuneNoMokou> I have just one question, will Xubuntu support Wayland or Mir? because other distros like gnome said they will only support mir, if I'm right
[16:59] <ObrienDave> i've heard Mir. don't quote me.
[17:00] <ZatsuneNoMokou> you're not sure? I see
[17:00] <ObrienDave> nope. not sure
[17:01] <ZatsuneNoMokou> That mess that Canonical made by deciding to make their own. I understand the independance problem, but still... a mess
[17:02] <Sysi> after porting xfce to gtk3, there should be wayland support
[17:03] <ZatsuneNoMokou> but noone here knows?
[17:03] <Sysi> gimme couple more minutes to look into mir..
[17:03] <ZatsuneNoMokou> they didn't post a decision or what?
[17:04] <Sysi> as long as xfce supports xorg it's possible to use xmir
[17:04] <ObrienDave> most of us here are not official Xubuntu staff. knome, elfy, and Unit193 would know more. afaik
[17:04] <Sysi> so basically both should work in future
[17:07] <elfy> only decision we have made this cycle is that we'll not be looking at either for the upcoming LTS release
[17:08] <Sysi> elfy: btw. is there even a possibility for gtk3 panel for 14.04?
[17:08] <elfy> Sysi: yep - getting closer - and it's on the roadmap
[17:09] <ZatsuneNoMokou> so, no decision yet about what will be supported?
[17:09] <elfy> Sysi: you can look at that with a ppa of you want - in fact you can do so for both 13.10 and 14.04
[17:09] <elfy> ZatsuneNoMokou: supported for which release?
[17:09] <Sysi> elfy: not that I'd really need it for anything, but nice
[17:09] <ZatsuneNoMokou> No release in particular, just to know if Xubuntu will support Mir or Wayland, in the future
[17:10] <elfy> ZatsuneNoMokou: no decision's have been made
[17:11] <ZatsuneNoMokou> Okay
[17:11] <elfy> the best place to see if that turns up will be when we start talking about the 14.10 cycle after LTS releases
[17:11] <elfy> it'll be in a community meeting - as always
[17:11] <ZatsuneNoMokou> okay
[17:55] <benedikt> after upgrading to 13.10, lightdm won't log in any more. The login prompt vanishes but the desktop and xfce4 are never loaded
[17:55] <benedikt> i've tried apt-get install --reinstall xubuntu-desktop and apt-get install xfce4
[17:55] <benedikt> and creating a new xorg file
[17:55] <benedikt> xmonad works fine however
[18:06] <jBart> hello
[18:07] <jBart> does anyone know how buggy xubuntu 14.04 still is?
[18:07] <bekks> jBart: It is still not released.
[18:07] <jBart> yea
[18:08] <jBart> but there are nightlis
[18:09] <jBart> 13.10 has broken a lot for me, and i thought 14.04 maybe is less broken...
[18:10] <Sysi> something missing from 12.04?
[18:10] <bekks> Yeah, then wait until April and/or stick 12.04 until then.
[18:10] <jBart> i cant stick with 12.04
[18:10] <jBart> i need clang 3.2
[18:11] <elfy> what's broken a lot in 13.10 for you then?
[18:11] <jBart> sound indicator, wireless
[18:12] <Sysi> http://askubuntu.com/questions/261636/how-do-i-backport-install-a-newer-version-of-clang
[18:12] <bekks> According to the LLVM homepage, there are 12.04 binaries of latest clang.
[18:14] <jBart> hmm
[18:17] <Sysi> the sound indicator is quite easy to fix, can't say about the wireless without more information
[18:19] <jBart> the soundindicator would be easy, but it upsets me that it got into the release...
[18:22] <elfy> maybe we should have not released 13.10 then - unfortunately given the amount of people we have available to do things - it's easy for  people to complain
[18:22] <elfy> maybe you could volunteer time to help with the coding
[18:22] <jBart> i think i will try 14.04. i have to reinstall my system anyways since there is also surely some upgrade fuckup going on
[18:23] <jBart> maybe if i have to procrastinate
[18:26] <ObrienDave> *whistles*
[20:27] <Nick7887> hello! anyone knows if xfce comes with a service manager?! i dont mean startup applications manager! i mean a service manager so i can control if apache2 and mysqlserver services will running by default or not at the boot time!
[20:36] <TheSheep> !bum
[20:36] <TheSheep> Nick7887: see that last link
[20:38] <Nick7887> thank you so much! i would prefer bum as i am newbiew but since its written at GTK +2 it wont give more "unessesary" packages to a gnome 3 installation?
[20:38] <TheSheep> no
[20:38] <TheSheep> lots of xubuntu default apps are already gtk2
[20:39] <TheSheep> also, those packages are not "unnecessary" if you need them for bum to work :)
[20:39] <Nick7887> aha ! ok thank you so much :)
[20:49] <xubuntu356> mouse
[20:49] <xubuntu356> i am a mouse
[22:00] <xubuntu430> hello I cannot open the xubuntu i386 desktop torrent file in uTorrent (the program freezes and hangs on while trying to start the torrent) and the http download from the Portugal mirror was corrupted MD5 doesn't match tjhis happens for more than a week now
[22:01] <xubuntu430> so seems impossible for me to get a clean copy of Xubuntu... what's happening?
[22:04] <xubuntu430> anybody? well i hope that someone sees the log of this message since it's weird uTorrent not being able to open the torrent and all HTTP downloads come out corrupted thanks anyway thought you would like to know about this
[22:05] <xubuntu430> i'll try another http mirror for one last time after that i'll just install Voyager 13.10 since the hash checks out fine...
[22:56] <xubuntu325> Hello good sirs. Can anyone recommend a good, free antivirus for Xubuntu so that I can scan downloads and drives to use on my Windows machine?
[22:56] <ObrienDave> that does not exist afaik
[22:56] <bekks> xubuntu325: clamav
[22:56] <bazhang> clamav
[22:57] <ObrienDave> for scanning windows files and drives?
[22:57] <xubuntu325> Is it viable to torrent download things to my Xubuntu comp that with clamav make sure they're clean, then?
[23:00] <ObrienDave> my apologies. Immunet 3.0, powered by ClamAV is a fast, fully featured Windows desktop Anti-Virus (AV) solution that utilizes the power of advanced cloud based detection techniques and the strength of the time tested ClamAV engine. This unique combination of technologies allows for a highly effective approach to today’s fast moving malware threats.
[23:01] <ObrienDave> http://www.clamav.net/lang/en/about/win32/
[23:05] <David-A> xubuntu325: in some torrent clients you can specify a command to be run when a download is complete. that way you can run clamav on them automagically. but remember you cannot be 100% sure that any antivirus program will detect every virus.


[01:28] <hatch> jujugui looking for a review and qa on https://codereview.appspot.com/29400043/
[01:29] <Makyo> Will review.
[01:29] <hatch> thanks
[01:29] <Makyo> May not get to QA
[01:29] <Makyo> Will try, though
[01:29] <hatch> I just did a very deep qa so it's probably ok.....but ya know should probably have one anyways :)
[01:29] <hatch> stepping away for supper now
[01:31] <Makyo> Cool, yeah, same reason.  Code LGTM, will see about Qa after dinner
[02:30] <hazmat> gary_poster, re unit errors, that's a previous behavior, ie errors at any point are considered fatal, part of it goes back to the original dev of deployer around stack testing/dev. noted that its not good behavior for this use case
[02:34] <gary_poster> ack hazmat thanks.  if we provide branch that changes, should we make it optional and non-default, or something else, or you're not sure yet?
[02:38] <hazmat> gary_poster, so there's quite a few cleanups in that same vein.. deployer has poor error handling for a library
[02:38] <gary_poster> agreed, not designed for that
[02:38] <gary_poster> but now that's what we want
[02:39] <hazmat> gary_poster, ack, so a flag usage for it is fine.
[02:40] <gary_poster> hazmat, cool, thanks.  default to erroring, to keep current behavior?
[02:40] <hazmat> yup
[02:40] <gary_poster> k
[02:40] <gary_poster> thanks
[02:42] <hazmat> gary_poster, incidentally commited that 0 int fix that frankban was looking for.
[02:43] <gary_poster> awesome, thanks, will pass that on :-)
[05:09] <hazmat> gary_poster, fwiw just put in a deployer merge proposal to update error/warning feedback handling, frankban as reviewer.
[13:11] <gary_poster> jujugui hi.  I have to be daddy at home this morning for a bit.  Today and tomorrow are vUDS.  I have added five sessions today and tomorrow to the UI team Google calendar that I think are interesting for us (and some we are essential)
[13:11] <gary_poster> Please take a look and see what you can attend
[13:11] <bac> ack
[13:11] <benji> k
[13:22] <frankban> gary_poster: ack, available for the pre-imp when you want. guihelp: I need one review+qa for https://codereview.appspot.com/29540044 (quickstart). Anyone available? thanks
[13:23] <frankban> Makyo: ^^^ includes bootstrapping with sudo, so you might be interested
[13:25] <gary_poster> thank you
[13:26] <gary_poster> rick_h_, you back to the land of the living today? feeling better?
[13:27]  * gary_poster off on morer daddy duty
[13:33] <bac> benji, rick_h_: i think i've figured out my mongo problem.  if you bootstrap a local env in juju it creates /etc/init/juju-db-<user> files to start mongo on port 37017 for its use.  destroy-environment should remove those files.  if, however, they are not removed, when you reboot that mongo instance will spin up and then the upstart for your real mongodb will see a mongo instance running and start-stop-daemon will refuse to launch another.
[13:34] <benji> this seems like a bug in juju; running a local env shouldn't disable an already-running mongo
[13:41] <rick_h_> bac: yea
[13:41] <rick_h_> gary_poster: definitely
[13:41] <rick_h_> bac: I wonder if this will be fixed by the new mongodb package they're looking to use
[13:42] <rick_h_> frankban: I can peek at it since I've been wanting local quickstart
[13:42] <frankban> rick_h_: thanks
[13:47] <bac> rick_h_: i don't know.  i filed bug 1253084 and have stirred the pot in #juju-dev
[13:48] <_mup_> Bug #1253084: local use of mongo prevents default mongodb from starting <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1253084>
[13:54] <rick_h_> if I ever have a mock question I'll be banging on frankban's door
[14:14] <gary_poster> rick_h_, great.  You happen to be attending the charm quality vUDS right now?  Was hoping you could be our representative
[14:14] <gary_poster> rick_h_, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1311/meeting/22007/t-cloud-juju-charm-quality-points/
[14:14] <rick_h_> gary_poster: I'm listening in, I didn't want to jump in the middle
[14:14] <rick_h_> gary_poster: I missed getting in on time as I was reviewing and didn't look at the calendar until a little bit ago
[14:15] <rick_h_> I can jump in
[14:15] <gary_poster> rick_h_, ack.  could you please ping arosales and let him know that you are the GUI representative, if he'd like one participating?
[14:15] <gary_poster> thank you
[14:15] <bac> yay, wasted afternoon trying to figure out juju/mongo fighting only to have bug acknowledged and marked 'low'.  go team.
[14:15] <gary_poster> :-(
[14:16] <rick_h_> gary_poster: do you know how to join the hangout?
[14:18] <gary_poster> rick_h_, you ask arosales or other participants on channel for the link, I think.  Are you on the irc channel?
[14:18] <rick_h_> gary_poster: got a link
[14:18] <rick_h_> gary_poster: yep, all good
[14:18] <gary_poster> awesome
[14:23] <hatch> Makyo: hey are you in yet?
[14:24] <hatch> jujugui anyone available for a qa? Review is already done https://codereview.appspot.com/29400043/
[14:24] <gary_poster> frankban, ready for call any time soon?  My two year old may distract us, but I need to try and move forward.
[14:26] <gary_poster> hatch I know you qa'd this a lot.  if you get a sandbox qa I think that's probably fine, if that helps
[14:26] <gary_poster> I'll see if I can do it quickly
[14:28] <frankban> gary_poster: I am using the phone connection now  :-/ but we can try
[14:28] <gary_poster> frankban, can do the qa first.  would it help to wait a bit?
[14:29] <rick_h_> frankban: woot, boostrap to gui: .venv/bin/python juju-quickstart  7.14s user 0.48s system 6% cpu 2:01.61 total
[14:30] <frankban> gary_poster: yes it could, could you ping me later?
[14:30] <gary_poster> frankban, sure, or you ping me when you are ready
[14:30] <frankban> rick_h_: cool
[14:30] <frankban> gary_poster: ok
[14:36] <arosales> good to see rick_h_ got a link
[14:36] <rick_h_> arosales: all good, thanks
[14:48] <gary_poster> hatch, silly, but in sandbox, difference: Status Info: hook failed: db-relation-changed vs Status Info: hook failed: "config-changed" (notice quotes)
[14:48] <gary_poster> hatch, also Status Data does not seem to update properly
[14:48] <gary_poster> in sandbox
[14:48] <hatch> hmm
[14:48] <gary_poster> should disappear when no longer in error
[14:48] <gary_poster> yeah?
[14:48] <hatch> it should....
[14:48] <hatch> checking on that
[14:49] <hatch> ahh right, I never clear the agent state data on non errors in sandbox
[14:49] <hatch> good catch :)
[14:50] <hatch> the quotes are in the response from core so I'll add them to the relation-changed text
[14:50] <gary_poster> cool.  also, hatch, more concerning for larger system (not your branch, probably), but I can pretty easily (1 in 12 attempts, say) click on a unit in error and get no information
[14:50] <gary_poster> then if I click again it will show error info
[14:51] <hatch> yeah I noticed that too
[14:51] <hatch> just going to make sure it happens on comingsoon
[14:52] <gary_poster> good idea
[14:52] <hatch> yeah it's there
[14:52] <hatch> I'll file a bug
[14:52] <gary_poster> thanks.  odd
[14:54] <hatch> yeah that doesn't make any sense - probably some type of race condition with the databinding
[14:54] <gary_poster> tried the "break on any error" setting and triggered the problem: nothing.  so that won't help.
[14:56] <frankban> gary_poster: the network seems to work better now
[14:57] <gary_poster> cool frankban.  hatch, sandbox QA OK with given notes.
[14:57] <gary_poster> brb
[14:57] <hatch> great thanks gary_poster they are fixed, just testing locally now
[14:58] <gary_poster> great
[14:58] <hatch> watching, waiting, of course I picked the only unit that the simulator loves to keep in error hah
[14:59] <gary_poster> :-)
[15:01] <gary_poster> frankban, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/76cpjkfegd2n1821q2jb6snlo4?hl=en no rush
[15:04] <benji> bac: do you have any getting-started hints on charmtools dev?  I'm library-ifying proof and both the readme and makefiles are crap
[15:12] <bac> benji: don't forget the test runner!
[15:12] <bac> i mean in your list
[15:12] <benji> bac: definiately; maybe that should be the first thing I do (along with making the README and Makefile better)
[15:12] <bac> but, no, i have no tips
[15:13] <benji> k
[15:13] <bac> benji: getting a sane test suite would be the first task i would think.
[15:13] <benji> yep
[15:13] <bac> benji: note there are lots of python tests that exist, and may even be good, but are not run.
[15:14] <benji> I guess I'll use nose, since it seems to be the popular choice of the times.
[15:14] <benji> I'll lay odds that tests that are not run will not be very good.
[15:22] <frankban> gary_poster: I don't hear you
[15:32] <hatch> -19C today....oooo winter hath arrived
[15:33] <rick_h_> hatch: beat me, 1.6C here
[15:33] <hatch> and you have winter tires....pssshht
[15:33] <rick_h_> heh, it's more for Jan
[15:33] <rick_h_> and the utter crap stock tires
[15:34] <jcsackett> hey jujugui dudes, is there anything y'all have done for charmworld that's not yet safe to release to production?
[15:34] <bac> not me
[15:34] <benji> jcsackett: not that I am aware of, let me skim the recent changes real quick
[15:35] <bac> jcsackett: when you releasing?
[15:35] <jcsackett> bac: if you guys don't have anything dangerous, i'll put in the RT today.
[15:36] <bac> jcsackett: ok, we may follow up with another shortly
[15:37] <benji> jcsackett: it looks safe to me
[15:38] <jcsackett> benji: thanks.
[15:39] <benji> np
[15:40] <gary_poster> jcsackett, btw re comments in bug 1253123, please make sure that orange squad is coordinating with UX and UI team on any big charmworld changes: there are some gigantic plans up in the air there and we should make sure that we don't work to cross purposes
[15:40] <_mup_> Bug #1253123: No javascript test infrastructure <tech-debt> <charmworld:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1253123>
[15:40]  * gary_poster returns to call
[15:40] <jcsackett> gary_poster: when we get to it, you got it.
[15:40] <gary_poster> cool
[15:42] <hatch> jcsackett: kernel panic != crash?
[15:42] <hatch> :)
[15:43] <jcsackett> hatch: kernel panic is more descriptive, and i was punting it over to the ubuntu folks so i thought i would spare them interpreting the bug. :-)
[15:43] <hatch> oh haha
[15:43] <jcsackett> *really* not sure how that got filed against charmworld.
[15:44] <jcsackett> it makes sense when someone accidentally files against, say, launchpad, since that's the site you're on. can't fathom the pattern that led to that filing.
[15:44] <hatch> it was probably the first in the dropdown and they didn't change it
[15:44] <hatch> haha
[15:46] <hatch> man it feels so weird not having Twitter installed on my phone
[15:46] <hatch> I never realized how often I checked it haha
[15:50] <Makyo> jujugui call in 10
[15:58] <gary_poster> jujugui call in 2
[16:00] <rick_h_> bac: http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/mock/patch.html#where-to-patch
[16:00] <rick_h_> bac: the big thing is to patch the module using vs the original source
[16:00] <gary_poster> benji, starting
[16:36]  * benji takes an early lunch.
[16:38] <gary_poster> hey bac, could you give me the link to the bundle docs, so I can refer to them on the vUDS call?
[16:38] <gary_poster> benji, frankban is the juju core call over already?
[16:38] <frankban> gary_poster: yes
[16:39] <gary_poster> anything interesting?
[16:40] <frankban> gary_poster: for us, ha the most interesting. unit leader election could be something we'll had to represent too
[16:40] <benji> gary_poster: yep
[16:41] <gary_poster> frankban, we don't need to represent ha though, right?  except maybe as a switch?  IIUC, their HA approach leaves us out in the cold for being able to transparently switch
[16:41] <benji> yeah, it was things we already knew were coming
[16:41] <gary_poster> frankban, "unit leader"?
[16:41] <gary_poster> new idea, for master slave?
[16:42] <frankban> gary_poster: ha, isn't it something we need to support in the guiserver?
[16:42] <gary_poster> frankban, the way that mramm described it to me lately is that they plan to only deliver db level HA
[16:42] <frankban> gary_poster: oic
[16:42] <gary_poster> you have to do something manual to switch state servers IIRC
[16:43] <gary_poster> maybe that has changed yet again, dunno
[16:43] <frankban> yeah, forgot about that distinction
[16:57] <frankban> Makyo: ping
[17:01] <Makyo> frankban, Hey
[17:02] <frankban> Makyo: I landed a branch which makes use of sudo in quickstart. I just tested it by ensuring (with mock) that utils.call is called with the expected args. Is it any different from what you are doing re sudo stuff?
[17:04] <Makyo> frankban, I'm mocking subprocess.Popen: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~makyo/juju-quickstart/ensure-juju-lxc/view/head:/quickstart/tests/test_utils.py
[17:04] <bac> gary_poster: is the session going?  i see nothing.
[17:04] <gary_poster> bac, trying to figure out where to go :-/
[17:06] <bac> gary_poster: you wanted this: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1paE70HEVgKA6LIjngzMa83OYr5jkZrOJ0hVNrYUuva0/edit
[17:06] <gary_poster> thank you bac
[17:06] <gary_poster> jujugui, jcastro points out I got the time wrong.  sorry.  starts in 1 hr
[17:07] <bac> gah!
[17:07] <rick_h_> bac: gets extra lunch time!
[17:07] <hatch> gary_poster: where is the vuds links and whatnot? I can't seem to find them anywhere on the ubuntu website
[17:07] <bac> rick_h_: i raced through my leftover steak and beans
[17:07] <frankban> Makyo: ack, quick hangout?
[17:08] <rick_h_> bac: desert time!
[17:08] <Makyo> frankban, sure
[17:09] <hatch> the Chrome Dev Summit starts today as well :)
[17:09] <bac> rick_h_: hmm, i could walk up to ben & jerry's
[17:09] <bac> rick_h_: here is what i have, test-wise http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6448832/
[17:09] <rick_h_> doh! jealous
[17:09] <gary_poster> bac, sorry, I suck
[17:09] <frankban> Makyo: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpjmcijt0iomhsrqqr05lf00?hl=en
[17:09] <bac> rick_h_: utils is where it is defined.  views.bundles imports and uses it.  i tried mocking both.
[17:10] <bac> but, like i asked, can you be too far up the call chain for the mock to work?
[17:10] <rick_h_> bac: right, but how does views.bundles import it? I think you want from charmworld.views import bundles; patch(bundles.utils.get_bundle_downloads)
[17:11] <rick_h_> bac: assuming that in bundles it's from charmworld import utils
[17:11] <rick_h_> otherwise shrink it down until it directly matches
[17:11] <rick_h_> that might be patch(bundles.get_bundle_downloads)
[17:11] <bac> rick_h_: OH.  i don't think i imported it in the test b/c the test doesn't use it.
[17:11] <hatch> `juju run` sounds sweet! ME WANT!!!!
[17:11] <hatch> sorry, just listening to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjzImjEinB8&feature=share&t=2m :)
[17:12] <rick_h_> hatch: so what's juju run
[17:12] <hatch> rick_h_: allows you to run any script as if it's a hook
[17:12] <rick_h_> bac: right, but you want to patch it in the view namespace so you'll want to import it and patch it there
[17:13] <hatch> so it has the hook api/env
[17:13] <rick_h_> hatch: ah, cool
[17:15] <bac> rick_h_: something like http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6449182/
[17:15] <rick_h_> bac: yea, I think so
[17:15] <bac> rick_h_: yeah, that doesn't work either
[17:16] <rick_h_> bac: push a branch up?
[17:17] <bac> rick_h_: lp:~bac/charmworld/add-stats-to-api --  it is test_api.py that is failing
[17:17] <rick_h_> bac: k, second
[17:18] <benji> I've always wanted one to call my own: http://www.hatchpet.com/
[17:20] <hatch> like tamagochi
[17:20] <hatch> but not nearly as cool
[17:20] <hatch> oh THESE are the people who have @hatch
[17:25] <rick_h_> bac: you're patching the views/bundles but you're calling the api/__init__.py
[17:25] <rick_h_> bac: change that from views/bundles to views.api and it works
[17:27] <bac> rick_h_: doh
[17:27] <bac> rick_h_: thanks for the eyeballs
[17:27] <rick_h_> bac: np, been there done that
[17:47] <hatch> gary_poster: so the error titles are too long at 'hook error: db-relation-changed' so to allow longer hook names I tried 'error: webiste-relation-changed' which is also too long. so....I was thinking using ellipsis and then show the full title on hover?
[17:48] <benji> hatch: I feel your pain, there's a guy who has @benjiyork who has tweeted about 5 times, over 3 years ago
[17:48] <hatch> so it would be 'hook error: db-relation-cha...'
[17:48] <hatch> benji: ugh - I wish Twitter allowed people to trade/give away names
[17:49] <hatch> but I just deleted the Twitter app from my phone because of their new permissions so my twitter use will likely drop dramatically
[17:49] <benji> they have been hinting at a policy change for a couple of years now regarding "unused" handles, but nothing has come of it yet
[17:52] <hatch> yeah they seem very slow to move on things
[17:52] <gary_poster> hatch sorry was lunching.  what about allowing the line to break?
[17:53] <hatch> gary_poster: it looks really bad
[17:53] <gary_poster> even with reverse indent?
[17:53] <hatch> the first thing it does is push the ^ arrow to the next line
[17:54] <hatch> gary_poster: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s219/sh/78b56078-9a9e-48ed-b935-734c3f78620b/93c2d0e6586dbf5a390a4669a481d93a
[17:54] <hatch> see the landscape line
[17:54] <benji> darn, jcsackett; I was just about to start on bug 1252782 when you un-assigned it from charmworld
[17:54] <_mup_> Bug #1252782: Ejecting external USB hard drive causes kernel panic <Ubuntu:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1252782>
[17:55] <gary_poster> hatch, oh! I see.  How about ellipsis, which simply line breaks when it is open?
[17:55] <gary_poster> lol benji
[17:55] <benji> :)
[17:55] <hatch> gary_poster: hmm....
[17:56] <hatch> gary_poster: https://www.evernote.com/shard/s219/sh/436d81d0-dfbd-44ad-af4d-1a51040e76ea/02aed2d352ef1bbed2132197a792cc62
[17:56] <hatch> still looks kind of bad...no?
[17:57] <gary_poster> hatch, yes. ideally arrow would be on far right, and word woruld line break
[17:57] <gary_poster> so
[17:57] <gary_poster> 12 machines need to be      ^
[17:57] <gary_poster> restarted
[17:57] <gary_poster> ?
[17:57] <hatch> 12 machines need to be      ^
[17:57] <hatch>                    restarted
[17:58] <hatch> ?
[17:58] <gary_poster> heh
[17:58] <hatch> yeah that might work
[17:58] <hatch> so..
[17:58] <hatch> hook failed: website-relation-.... ^
[17:58] <hatch> then
[17:58] <hatch> hook failed: website-relation-    ^
[17:58] <hatch>                               changed
[17:59] <arosales> rick_h_, gary_poster were you guys going to join the Juju GUI Roadmap and Update session?
[17:59] <gary_poster> hatch yeah
[17:59] <hatch> that sounds good I'll do that
[18:00]  * hatch wishes there were an evernote and skitch Ubuntu app
[18:00]  * benji wonders why the "Starting Soon" screen on the hangouts looks so funny with the offset text and all.
[18:06] <bac> that icon looks more like sliced bread.  should
[18:13] <hatch> they say for gaming? I say for development! http://www.anandtech.com/show/7529/gaming-immersion-overclockersuk-launch-infinity-emperor-chair-and-workstation
[18:19] <bac> benji &/| rick_h_: charmworld review at your leisure.   https://codereview.appspot.com/29850043
[18:21] <gary_poster> hatch, "powder coated Canadian steel."  Y'all do something funny to your steel up there? :-)
[18:21] <gary_poster> (from your link)
[18:21] <benji> bac: I'll take a look
[18:23] <hatch> gary_poster: lol maybe it's from the 'olden days' when people were using Chinese steel that would rust really fast
[18:23] <gary_poster> heh
[18:24] <hatch> "our steel may be from the 1970's but it was made in Canada!"
[18:25] <hatch> I can envision that in the FAQ
[18:25] <gary_poster> lol
[18:25] <gary_poster> bac, benji, pretty fascinating GUI update? :-)
[18:26] <gary_poster> and rick_h_ :-)
[18:26]  * benji just stopped applauding and sat back down.
[18:26] <gary_poster> lol
[18:26] <rick_h_> gary_poster: :)
[18:26] <rick_h_> "Is still not determined..."
[18:26] <rick_h_> Should have gone all secret agent "I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you"
[18:40] <arosales> gary_poster, did you have some thoughts on how we should field bundle bugs?
[18:41] <arosales> gary_poster, right off hand I am thinking juju-core and we can triage from there, but wanted to get your thoughts
[18:42] <gary_poster> arosales, probably file against gui and/or gui + deployer.  The interrelationship between GUI and deployer is somewhat subtle.
[18:43] <arosales> ya, and perhaps we triage the bug to that project
[18:43] <gary_poster> right
[18:43] <arosales> but for users may hit juju-core since it is all juju to them.
[18:43] <gary_poster> arosales, ack.  then triage it again, I'd say.
[18:44] <arosales> I think nick was seeing some deploy errors around the wiki bundle. Still needs some further investigation. But if we can reproduce we will file against GUI for now.
[18:44] <gary_poster> cool thanks arosales
[19:06] <rick_h_> bac: got a sec to chat?
[19:13] <bac> rick_h_: sure
[19:21] <rick_h_> bac: card added and assigned over to
[19:22] <rick_h_> bac: added in the notes what I found on the call/token issue
[19:22] <bac> thanks rick_h_.  i'll get right on it.
[19:22] <rick_h_> jujugui review please of my hacky addition of no op'ing all the things! https://codereview.appspot.com/29860044 please
[19:22] <bac> rick_h_: ok
[19:23] <rick_h_> benji: did you grab bac's review then? If not I can look now
[19:23] <benji> rick_h_: yeah, I just finished
[19:23] <rick_h_> benji: cool I've got perfect timing then
[19:23] <benji> :)
[19:24] <rick_h_> gary_poster: can I get a couple of min when you get a sec please? I know you're backed up with some calls
[19:29] <bac> rick_h_: "- Drive by fix for deploying a bundle via drag-n-drop." this is no longer true, right?  if so,be sure to edit it out when you 'lbox submit'
[19:29] <rick_h_> bac: ah right sorry
[19:30] <gary_poster> rick_h_, sure.  you need me now, or is in 30 min ok?
[19:30] <rick_h_> gary_poster: whenever is good
[19:31] <rick_h_> gary_poster: so 30min is cool
[19:31] <gary_poster> rick_h_, ack, thanks will ping
[19:33] <bac> rick_h_: did
[19:33] <rick_h_> bac: ?
[19:33] <bac> benji: the four character code review is the best.
[19:34] <bac> rick_h_: i did your review.  your review has been did.
[19:34] <rick_h_> I did something?
[19:34] <rick_h_> oh! lol
[19:37] <rick_h_> bac: commit message "fix all the engrish"
[19:38] <rick_h_> thanks for the review!
[19:43] <gary_poster> rick_h_, the hangouts, they are a-callin' : https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpjmspmqkgcq1hpt7fl71lso?hl=en
[20:43] <Makyo> jujugui two quickstart reviews + QA https://codereview.appspot.com/29980043 (down from +300 lines, thanks to frankban's branch this morning!)
[20:44] <gary_poster> I will take one in a few if there are still any spots
[20:45] <gary_poster> going to get boys from school; back soon
[20:48] <bac> hey rick_h_, token.js shows a Token has a type (charm or bundle).  but i don't see it getting set or used.  am i missing something?  (otherwise in that _addDragability i don't know how to tell them apart)
[20:59] <bac> rick_h_: nm
[21:02]  * bac -> wtd
[21:10] <rick_h_> bac: cool, yea there's another method that uses it I was going to copy it from
[21:41] <gary_poster> Makyo, LGTM (but no QA) with extremely trivial
[21:41] <Makyo> gary_poster, thanks!
[21:41] <gary_poster> welcome, thank you
[21:45] <gary_poster> rick_h_, if you are around, more than a little curious to see if you think I caught the gist of our CI conversation.  Please correct/elaborate as necessary
[21:48] <rick_h_>  gary_poster in the hangout notes? I can look at the coffee shop tonight.
[21:49] <rick_h_> gary_poster: oh, just noticed the email, all good. Will review
[21:49] <gary_poster> rick_h_, no emailed to peeps
[21:49] <gary_poster> cool thank you :-)


[08:30] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:36] <czajkowski> morning
[11:40] <ara> morning czajkowski :)
[11:42] <czajkowski> hey :)
[11:42] <czajkowski> just been updating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-L/LocalParticipation  Social Whiteboard
[11:42] <czajkowski> need to fix date for the dinner
[13:12] <davmor2> fader: morning dude when you off to uds?
[13:13] <fader> davmor2: Howdy.  Headed out Sunday afternoon.
[13:13] <davmor2> fader: cool have a good one :)
[13:13] <fader> davmor2: I don't suppose you changed your mind and are sneaking off to the States to join us? :)
[13:14] <davmor2> NO :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :'(
[13:14] <fader> :(
[13:15] <davmor2> How ever I will be listening in and irc'ing you :P
[13:16] <fader> Heh, creepy
[13:17] <davmor2> fader: consider me big brother :P
[13:17] <fader> davmor2: I already think of you like the brother I never wanted :)
[13:20]  * davmor2 blows raspberries in fader's general direction
[13:24]  * davmor2 -> lunch
[14:06] <davmor2> fader: have you seen this yet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJX8ZOMaol4
[14:07] <fader> davmor2: Hadn't seen that particular one yet, no.  Keybuk is doing some nifty things :)
[14:08] <cr3> davmor2: that's pretty cool, I've never encountered that behavior either
[14:09] <davmor2> fader: I spoke to a lot of the devs at the launch party to see what their lucid plans were, this was Keybuk's big plan the minute you see the desktop background you assume the system is starting just look at windows 7 :D
[14:09] <fader> Heh
[14:11] <davmor2> ureadahead instead of sreadahead was another
[14:11] <fader> Yeah, I heard about that one
[14:13] <davmor2> cjwatson intends getting all install/grub stuff dealt with asap, wubi will be the deafult way to install against windows hopefully with the added wubi virt -> real partition migration added :)
[14:14] <fader> Hehe so you can do more wubi tests!
[14:31] <davmor2> sbeattie: you with us yet?
[14:32] <davmor2> fader: can you confirm Bug 481797
[14:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 481797 in gdm "Gdm displays the full name of the user rather than the username" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/481797
[14:33] <fader> I can confirm that it is the case, but I'm not sure if it's a bug or not.  :)
[14:35] <fader> davmor2: Marked as confirmed but I strongly suspect it's going to be invalid
[14:37] <davmor2> fader: I still think that the system should be consistent less confusing that way :)
[15:14] <nperry> Who do I report uninstallable stuff due to dependancies to?
[15:20] <davmor2> nperry: what is it?
[15:21] <nperry> quickie
[15:22] <nperry> Sorry, 'quickly'
[15:23] <nperry> Its want libgtk2.0-0 but libgtk2.0-dev is installed
[15:27] <davmor2> nperry: right just installing it now 2 seconds
[15:34] <davmor2> nperry: installed here fine
[15:35] <davmor2> nperry: are you using the one from the repos or building from source?
[15:35] <nperry> Repos
[15:37] <davmor2> nperry: https://bugs.launchpad.net/quickly/+filebug
[15:50] <nperry> Filed, thanks :)
[19:24] <moustafa> fader: Jacques Cousteau!
[19:24] <fader> moustafa: Baguette!
[19:25] <moustafa> fader: Hon! Hon!
[19:28] <fader> moustafa: How's the family?
[19:29] <moustafa> We're doing great.  The little one's lost a pound since birth (womens, I tells ya), but she should recover that pretty quickly since it's her first growth period today.
[19:30] <fader> Excellent :)
[19:30] <cr3> fader: "Belligerant and numerous" :)
[19:30] <moustafa> fader: It's great seeing my son interact with his sister.  He's so gentle with her, it's utterly adorable


[15:38] <knowhow> hello again
[15:39] <knowhow> cking
[15:39] <cking> knowhow, hi
[15:39] <knowhow> i had to decompress the tar xz in root...you could have give a gz link you know :))
[15:40] <cking> xz takes less time to uncompress
[15:40] <cking> I mean download
[15:41] <knowhow> the patch also needs to be uncopressed it seems and has to be in the kernel folder...literaly the kernel folder
[15:41] <cking> well, to make it easier you can do that
[15:43] <knowhow> from the kernel directory i typed the following comand: patch -p1 --verbose ../patch-4.9.30-rt21.patch now i see a rectagular white thing
[15:43] <knowhow> how long does a patch needs to be applied?
[15:44] <knowhow> it is allready 5 minutes
[15:44] <cking> try: patch -p1 --verbose < ../patch-4.9.30-rt21.patch
[15:44] <cking> hit control-C to stop what you have running and use the above ^
[15:45] <knowhow> and --verbose should have give me more than a terminal rectagular prompt shouldn't havewith the < ?
[15:45] <knowhow> didn't see that in instructios
[15:46] <knowhow> cking ? did ommision of the < screwd things up?
[15:47] <cking> knowhow, without the < the patch command was just trying to pull in a patch from standard input rather than the file
[15:47] <cking> I suspect it is OK
[15:48] <knowhow> well...i still see a prompter with nothing else...should i stop it and use the <   ? or let it a little more ?
[15:49] <knowhow>  my concern is that -- verbose parameter should have said more than he rectagular white prompter flashing no?
[15:49] <knowhow> which i still see
[15:50] <knowhow> and i have an 8 core i7 darn it :))
[15:50] <knowhow> well..four real ones anyway :|
[15:51] <knowhow> cking ? i applyed the command from the kernel directory where i copied the patch also
[15:52] <knowhow> but the copy i did it with sudo nautilus
[15:52] <sforshee> knowhow: yes you need to stop it and use the <, it's never going to do anything the way you've run it
[15:52] <knowhow> doing it now
[15:52] <cking> yep, hit control-C now, and run patch -p1 --verbose < ../patch-4.9.30-rt21.patch
[15:53] <cking> the "prompter" is called a cursor
[15:54] <knowhow> no such file or directory and i see it there with my own eyes :|
[15:54] <cking> oh, it may be in the current directory, so try: patch -p1 --verbose < patch-4.9.30-rt21.patch
[15:54] <knowhow> should i do it with sudo ?
[15:55] <knowhow> you are absolutely right it is in current directory....damn you grammar :)))
[15:56] <knowhow> pardon me it s syntax :))
[15:58] <knowhow> patch -p1 --verbose  < patch-4.9.30-rt21.patch Hmm...  Looks like a unified diff to me... can't find file to patch at input line 5 Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option? The text leading up to this was: -------------------------- |diff --git a/Documentation/sysrq.txt b/Documentation/sysrq.txt |index 3a3b30ac2a75..9e0745cafbd8 100644 |--- a/Documentation/sysrq.txt |+++ b/Documentation/sysrq.txt ------------------------
[15:58] <knowhow> that is the command + error
[15:58] <knowhow> now
[15:58] <knowhow> cking
[15:58] <cking> knowhow, what is in the current directory?
[15:59] <knowhow> the current directory is kernel
[15:59] <knowhow> and in it is the patch uncompressed
[15:59] <cking> ok, you need to cd into the kernel directory
[15:59] <cking> and then run:  patch -p1 --verbose < ../patch-4.9.30-rt21.patch
[16:00] <knowhow> i am in the kernel directory
[16:01] <cking> knowhow, what is in the kernel directory?
[16:01] <knowhow> lots of folders and files
[16:02] <knowhow> and my copied patch
[16:03] <cking> knowhow, type: grep ^VERSION Makefile
[16:03] <knowhow> from the main linux directory it says that cannot find the file...should i copy the patch back to the parent directory?
[16:03] <cking> and then type: grep ^PATCHLEVEL Makefile
[16:05] <knowhow> done
[16:05] <knowhow> no errors
[16:05] <cking> who do you see?
[16:05] <knowhow> nothing just jumps to next row
[16:05] <ricotz> type: pwd
[16:07] <cking> knowhow, ^
[16:07] <knowhow> pwd gives where i am which is kernel folder
[16:08] <knowhow> the two that cking gave me just do nothing they jump ok to n ext row...whitout errors
[16:08] <ricotz> knowhow, then paste the output of pwd to give cking some clue
[16:09] <cking> knowhow, the grep command should have found the kernel version and patch level numbers from the Makefile in the directory, the fact that it is not doing that means something is not right
[16:10] <knowhow> yeah something was not right allright
[16:11] <knowhow> probably the things musnt be done from the kernel directory but from the parent sorce directory
[16:12] <knowhow> moving the patch  back to the main directory from the kernel directory
[16:12] <knowhow> when i am in the parent directory i get output from the two commands cking gave me
[16:12] <knowhow> version is 4 paatchlevel is 9 cking
[16:13] <cking> good. keep in that directory
[16:13] <knowhow> from the parent directory and not the kernel one
[16:13] <cking> the "parent directory" you refer to *IS* the source directory of the kernel, to confuse things, there is a directory inside that called "kernel"
[16:14] <knowhow> but i have to move with sudo nautilus the uncompressed patch there now....i am not a terminal guy you know :|
[16:15] <cking> I have no idea why your kernel source needs root permission to write to, where is it? what does pwd show?
[16:15] <knowhow> is the 666. something megabytes directory after decompression of the thing i downloaded yesterday from your link
[16:15] <knowhow> probably that 666 number does these things to me :)))
[16:16] <apw> how did you extract it ...
[16:16] <knowhow> i put it in home directory
[16:16] <knowhow> apw..that is the best question
[16:16] <knowhow> with archive manager but from sudo nautilus not the ...usual nautilus...terminal commands dont work for that by the way
[16:17] <knowhow> some errors that have nothing to do with reality
[16:17] <ricotz> (running nautilus with sudo is a bad idea)
[16:17] <knowhow> after that from root nautilus i changed permissinos for the user me....
[16:18] <cking> knowing some command line foo is really a baseline to get a kernel patched, configured and built too
[16:18] <knowhow> ricotz why?...the equation group will get me or something?
[16:18] <ricotz> just create some folder inside *your* home-dir, uncompress with "tar xf kernel.tar.xz"
[16:19] <knowhow> tar xf doesnt work...gives an error not being a bz2 format or something
[16:19] <ricotz> knowhow, is messes with the root account settings and runs services which are not meant to be run like that
[16:19] <knowhow> but i use it only to copy these things that do not work the usual way...after that i used normal nautilus
[16:20] <ricotz> knowhow, make sure the package "xz-utils" is installed
[16:20] <knowhow> it is
[16:20] <knowhow> the formus blasted with that info
[16:20] <ricotz> knowhow, but if you copy thing with nautilus running with sudo you get such permission problems
[16:20] <knowhow> when sudo apt-get install ...it said it is allready there
[16:20] <ricotz> ok
[16:21] <knowhow> but from sudo nautilus i right click the folder...give all permissions to me and i done with it no?
[16:22] <ricotz> cking, I don't want to hijack this
[16:22] <knowhow> ricotz...by all means...i answered all the questions
[16:23] <knowhow> if you have something usefull to say go right ahead...except the religious "linux god" dictatorship of course :))
[16:23] <knowhow> so...sudo nautilus i used to copy things where they should be
[16:24] <ricotz> please figure this out on a normal user console without sudo/root
[16:24] <knowhow> apw...if not using sudo nautilus for decompressing the xz archive ...it gives an error at the extraction ...says that "no symbol links" supported on destination
[16:24] <knowhow> and i have an ext4 on the system drive
[16:25] <knowhow> if using sudo nautilus the archive manager doesnt complain
[16:25] <knowhow> after that i revert to normal nautilus...and normal terminal of course
[16:25] <cking> knowhow, this really isn't the way it should be done, you are making more problems for yourself doing it via sudo'd nautilus
[16:26] <cking> knowhow, the recipe for getting this done is as follows:
[16:26] <cjwatson> I suspect the only reason you need to use sudo nautilus is that you had previously done something with sudo nautilus there and so the containing directory is owned by root
[16:29] <knowhow> cjwatson after the ubuntu install if you want to copy a single measily mp3 or some other file...from the stick....to the hdd....from the first hdd to second from the normal nautilus...you can't:|
[16:29] <cjwatson> Depends on the target directory, I imagine
[16:30] <knowhow> it simply says something ...can't copy...can't move...and you start crying near the computer.....
[16:30] <cjwatson> I think you would do better if you left out the florid commentary
[16:30] <knowhow> in home directory...music directory...thesame difference
[16:31] <cjwatson> And it's generally much more helpful to quote exact error messages (in a pastebin if they're large) rather than paraphrasing things vaguely.  Even if the differences don't seem interesting or meaningful to you it might help whoever you're asking to help you.
[16:32] <cking> if it's any help, I've just downloaded the kernel source + the RT patch, applied the patch and I'm building it right now on a server
[16:33] <knowhow> cjwatson if i get this through....i am going to make a tutorial on youtube so no one goes EVER through the same ....chocolate....that i am going right now
[16:33] <knowhow> even if it takes 10 episodes...with the time youtube give to  newcomers
[16:34] <cking> knowhow, I just wget'd the tarball + patch, uncompress'd and untar'd the kernel source, uncompressed and applied the patch, slapped in a reasonably close .config and kicked off a build, I 'll upload it once it's done
[16:34] <knowhow> cking can you make it a deb file with all the dependencies needed for a OS fresh install too?
[16:35] <cking> knowhow, the .deb will contain just the kernel + modules nothing more and nothing less
[16:36] <cjwatson> But on a fresh install you already have all the dependencies needed to install a kernel installed, since by definition if you can boot the thing then it has a kernel installed
[16:36] <knowhow> cking i saw a kicad deb on mister reynaud2007 git....download it...no dice
[16:36] <cjwatson> Anyway, on recent versions of Ubuntu you can do "sudo apt install ./foo.deb" and it will fetch dependencies for you
[16:37] <cking> nice
[16:37] <cjwatson> (assuming they're available in your apt sources)
[16:37] <knowhow> after using lots of terminal commands...apt get magically installed it ...but with the need of internet of course...beacause of some dependencies that ubuntu didn't even bother to tell me about
[16:38] <knowhow> cjwatson a deb file should normally have all the dependencies it needs...that is why it is a deb
[16:38] <cjwatson> It's not Ubuntu's fault if some third-party package fails to declare its dependencies properly
[16:39] <knowhow> probably i will learn to do a deb package inthe future...and learn how to put the dependencies in too
[16:39] <cjwatson> (If it had declared them, the package manager would have told you about them)
[16:39] <knowhow> cjwatson i know
[16:40] <knowhow> oooh...so that means the uploader didnt do the deb right?
[16:40] <cjwatson> That seems quite likely
[16:40] <cjwatson> Depending on exactly what went wrong of course, since once again you've given an extremely vague description of the problem
[16:40] <cjwatson> (Not that a problem with a third-party kicad package would be especially relevant to #ubuntu-kernel of course)
[16:40] <knowhow> but that means he wants the people not to be able to use the deb???...that is extremely naughty
[16:41] <cjwatson> More likely the uploader just made a mistake
[16:41] <cjwatson> Don't overdramatise
[16:41] <knowhow> cjwatson of course
[16:41] <knowhow> but it happens...and it is the human behind that is at fault
[16:41] <knowhow> that is what i try to emphasize
[16:42] <cjwatson> You said "that ubuntu didn't even bother to tell me about"
[16:43] <knowhow> yes beacause i didnt have the piece of info you gave about the declaration thing that some human developer should have bother putting in there
[16:43] <knowhow> i am new in this darn it :)))
[16:44] <knowhow> i am like an alien abductee...when he is in space :))
[16:44] <cjwatson> Right.  So slow down, stop blaming things that don't deserve blame and making cracks about religious dictatorships, and listen to people giving advice.
[16:44] <knowhow> or god knows where
[16:44] <cking> knowhow, I'm uploading a kernel for you right now with notes on how I built it
[16:45] <knowhow> cjwatson.....i know..stop feeling it
[16:45] <knowhow> cking....thanks...i will try to understand the notes
[16:45] <knowhow> so i can share the knoledge to others
[16:46] <knowhow> cking what behemoth of computer do you have?
[16:46] <cking> knowhow, a fast one
[16:47] <knowhow> beacause everything you do seems ftl tehnology
[16:47] <knowhow> that laforge would be gelous
[16:47] <cking> knowhow, we have a lot to do, so we do it fast and efficiently
[16:47] <knowhow> how many cores?
[16:48] <knowhow> or cpus?
[16:49] <knowhow> so cking am i installing the deb file with the software center and it should add it to the grub list?
[16:49] <knowhow> i supose you give me a deb right?
[16:49] <knowhow> that includes the rt patch
[16:49] <knowhow> right?
[16:50] <cking> knowhow, and a README and a .config for this RT kernel config http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~cking/knowhow/
[16:50] <cking> wait a moment, I'm still uploading the debug deb
[16:51] <knowhow> cking can the link from this server be shared....or after i download it you erase the file from server?
[16:52] <cking> I will erase it once you download it all
[16:53] <knowhow> cking be carefull i see that you applied patch for 4.9.30 to 4.9.32...will that be good?
[16:53] <knowhow> i start downloading at 200 kb per second so it will be a while
[16:54] <knowhow> cking after download ...which one do i install?
[16:54] <knowhow> i have a core i 7 so amd64 it is...but you have 3 debs there
[16:55] <cking> knowhow, it applied OK. Note I've not tested this nor do I support this. The notes in the README are sufficient to repeat the build
[16:56] <cking> knowhow, 5 debs. just yse the firmware image, headers and linux-image deb. you can probably ignore the  dbg image deb and libc dev
[16:57] <cking> i also supplied the config file I used to build that RT kernel too - you need to copy it into the kernel source directory with the name ".config"
[16:58] <knowhow> cking i only see 4 debs
[16:59] <cking> knowhow, note this kernel does no have any of the Ubuntu kernel team "sauce" patches, bug fixes or CVE fixes, it is just a stock kernel with RT patches and no support
[16:59] <knowhow> cking is it a stable one?
[16:59] <knowhow> that is why i wanted 4.0.30
[16:59] <cking> yes it is a gregkh stable kernel
[17:00] <cking> https://lwn.net/Articles/725370/
[17:00] <cking> came out a couple of days ago, so all shiney and new
[17:02] <knowhow> cking...usualy bleeding edge means black screens and all that nasty stuff :))...but if you say it is declared stable ok....the patch is garanteed by the preempt rt team
[17:02] <cking> shiney and new "fixes"
[17:02] <knowhow> i am still donloading by the way
[17:03] <cking> i need to pop away from the computer and cook some food for my family, I'll be back later
[17:03] <knowhow> ok i saw the stable word in there :))
[17:03] <cking> stable is as good as it gets
[17:03] <knowhow> ok bon appetit cking
[17:03] <cking> cheerio
[17:03] <knowhow> but i see 4 debs and you said are 5
[17:04] <knowhow> shold i refresh browser?
[17:04] <cjwatson> yes, refresh, I saw 5
[17:04] <knowhow> ok
[17:06] <knowhow> yes i see the other one too now cjwatson but which one do i install first?...all of them are amd64
[17:07] <cjwatson> I don't recall whether software-center lets you install multiple packages in one go
[17:08] <cjwatson> I'd download the set that cking recommended you install and just use the command line: sudo apt install ./linux-firmware-image-4.9.32-rt21_4.9.32-rt21-1_amd64.deb ./linux-headers-4.9.32-rt21_4.9.32-rt21-1_amd64.deb ./linux-image-4.9.32-rt21_4.9.32-rt21-1_amd64.deb
[17:08] <knowhow> but the kernel is one...that is how the official low-latency one is
[17:08] <knowhow> so which is which?
[17:09] <knowhow> i see two linux-image things
[17:09] <cjwatson> linux-image is the kernel itself, but you need linux-headers if you might ever build third-party modules against it, and linux-firmware-image I don't know but if cking said you want it then you should probably take his word for it
[17:09] <cjwatson> you can run   dpkg -I ./linux-firmware-image-4.9.32-rt21_4.9.32-rt21-1_amd64.deb   (etc.) to see the package description
[17:10] <cjwatson> cking said that you can probably ignore linux-image-4.9.32-rt21-dbg_4.9.32-rt21-1_amd64.deb
[17:11] <knowhow> i am downloading them for sure but which one should i use?...which one is a kernel...with the preempt rt patch included?
[17:15] <knowhow> i downloaded everything...so what now?
[17:15] <knowhow> ok dbg one ignored for now
[17:17] <cjwatson> I answered all of this above, so just re-read the last dozen lines or so ...
[17:24] <knowhow> cjwatson that means i have to install everything except the dbg one but which on do i select fro boot after that? from grub customizer?
[17:25] <knowhow> or it will only show a one new kernel with the rt letters?
[17:25] <knowhow> and i can select that one
[17:25] <cjwatson> I would assume it would not be hard to find if it isn't automatically selected as the default.
[17:25] <knowhow> what should i expect after installation?
[17:26] <knowhow> i know beacause it is grub customizer i have installed...just tyo be able to revert to other kernels i have installed easily
[17:28] <cjwatson> I think you should just make a note of the version if you think you might not remember it.
[17:29] <knowhow> so do i install them in the order you mention earlier cjwatson?
[17:29] <knowhow> the packages
[17:31] <cjwatson> If you pass them all on a single command line as I recommended, the order doesn't matter.
[17:32] <cjwatson> apt will pick a suitable order that ensures dependencies are satisfied.
[17:45] <knowhow> cjwatson it seems that they installed in one go it found some warnings about some intel chipset the forum said it would...it showed the other kernels i have installed the generic and low latency
[17:45] <knowhow> and i will open grub customizer to see what horrors expect me :))
[17:49] <knowhow> seems that everything is in order
[17:49] <knowhow> a normal an upstart..and some other thingy exactly as the other group
[17:50]  * cking back again
[17:50] <cking> knowhow, so, all OK then
[17:51] <knowhow> all ok i will restart soon just to see how it went...but i will probably have to do it again because....i havent understand a bob from what just happened :)))
[17:52] <knowhow> i will restart and see if uname -a will show my new shiny ...with nemphasis on functional :)))...kernel booted :)
[17:53] <knowhow> for now many thanks cking ...to you and to that super computer of yours
[17:53] <knowhow> and cjwatson for the all in one install for the deb files
[17:53] <cking> intel make some big beefy machines for sure
[17:54] <knowhow> but expensive too
[18:02] <knowhow> ladies and gentlemen including the people of the hour cking and cjwatson...i am writing this message from...an allmost realtime.... linux ubuntu instance running machine
[18:02] <cjwatson> good stuff
[18:02] <knowhow> uname -a gives this
[18:02] <knowhow> 4.9.32-rt21 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Fri Jun 16 16:36:05 UTC 2017 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[18:03] <knowhow> now i have to continue with the linuxcnc compilation against this kernel
[18:04] <knowhow> i packed these things for safekeeping just in case someone else needs them
[18:06] <knowhow> thank you again cking cjwatson apw and others...your atmost patience was not in vain
[18:06] <knowhow> so thank you again...the open source sound card continues oncemore
[18:10] <knowhow> cjwatson how do you grab libraries...or to better call them what they are....dependencies..... for future use on a pc not connected to internet?
[18:12] <knowhow> i used check build deps so i know how to track them for a said source compiling need...but i only know how to get them with apt install command from repos
[18:12] <knowhow> or..is there another irc channel that treats these things...so i do not other more than i should?
[18:19] <cjwatson> knowhow: sounds more like something for #ubuntu; but you could try the apt-offline package (disclaimer: I've never tried this myself), or if you ... bah