[05:06] <thoreauputic> imaek: it doesn't dial?
[05:07] <kvidell> hm..
[05:07] <imaek> No, thoreauputic, nothing happens.
[05:07] <mhz> linuxamoeba21: many, but sorry I was paying attention to many diff things at the same time. What issue?
[05:07] <pschulz01> Is it 'hoary' or 'Hoary Hedgehog'?
[05:07] <linuxamoeba21> the random music playing that i dont even own
[05:07] <thoreauputic> imaek: and you are in the dip and dialout groups, and the modem is correctly identified?
[05:07] <imaek> well
[05:07] <fr500> pschulz01, bot
[05:07] <fr500> both
[05:07] <mhz> imaek: boooh
[05:07] <imaek> I'm assuming it's either /dev/ttyS0 or /dev/ttyS1
[05:07] <fossa> ah. it was trying to use my onboard sound instead of my soundcard.
[05:08] <imaek> and I've tried both,.
[05:08] <imaek> I don't know how to tell which is which.
[05:08] <pschulz01> What?
[05:08] <kvidell> linuxamoeba21: Have you installed anything lately... I find it hard to belive that it isn't an outside source if it's a stock install.
[05:08] <thoreauputic> imaek: did you use a provider name?
[05:08] <fossa> if beep was doing that, is xfce also doing it by default?
[05:08] <mhz> linuxamoeba21: if I were you, I'd see what processes are running
[05:08] <mhz> linuxamoeba21: and kill them all
[05:08] <imaek> thoreauputic: no, just "provider"
[05:08] <thoreauputic> imaek:  if so use pon <providername>
[05:08] <thoreauputic> ah
[05:08] <thoreauputic> OK
[05:08] <mhz> linuxamoeba21: (all you don't need)
[05:08] <kvidell> linuxamoeba21: yea, what mhz said. Type "ps aux" and see if anything interesting/telling is running
[05:08] <linuxamoeba21> kvidell, everything i've installed is from ubuntu or universe
[05:08] <thoreauputic> imaek: does "sudo pon" work?
[05:08] <linuxamoeba21> ok
[05:09] <imaek> thoreauputic: No. :(
[05:09] <thoreauputic> hmm
[05:09] <pschulz01> fr500: What do you mean?
[05:09] <thoreauputic> imaek: running out of ideas here, sorry...
[05:09] <jkezar_> how do I see what "mode" my xserver is using?
[05:09] <mhz> linuxamoeba21: when you type "ps -aux" (no "!) see what processes you DO NOT know
[05:09] <jkezar_> like 640x480 at 16 depth
[05:09] <fr500> pschulz01, it's known as hoary, but it's full name is hoary hedgehog
[05:09] <thoreauputic> imaek: do the modem leds do anything?
[05:09] <kvidell> mhz: you don't need the -
[05:09] <kvidell> just ps aux
[05:09] <mhz> oh, yes
[05:10] <kvidell> (I'm all for saving key strokes)
[05:10] <mhz> I get stuck easily with the "-"
[05:10] <pschulz01> fr500: so, i put "hoary" in my apt.conf then?
[05:10] <fr500> yes
[05:10] <mhz> kvidell: :D
[05:10] <synd> how should i go about getting Wine?
[05:11] <kvidell> synd: BevMo
[05:11] <imaek> thoreauputic: I don't have any,
[05:11] <mhz> synd: apt-get install wine (I suppose)
[05:11] <sproingie> www.liquorstore.com
[05:11] <synd> kvidell: bevmo?
[05:11] <mhz> LOL
[05:11] <kvidell> Beverages and More
[05:11] <neighborlee> synd: just add the repository as shown from : winehq.com < then install in synaptic
[05:11] <kvidell> >.> large liquor-and-stuff store.
[05:11] <tony__> Hello do Logitech optical mice work with Ubuntu? Mine seem a little jerky
[05:11] <kvidell> ignore me.
[05:12] <sproingie> tony__: mine works like a dream
[05:12] <kvidell> tony__: no issues here
[05:12] <sproingie> the default accelleration is pretty damn hyper
[05:12] <fossa> tony mine is fine
[05:12] <sproingie> i just had to turn it down
[05:12] <neighborlee> synd: you just head to winehq.com and click on I think the 'download' link on far left and its clearly shown what to do...
[05:13] <linuxamoeba21> kvidell and mhz, i don't see anything weird in the processes... i'll look again if the music starts again
[05:13] <mhz> imaek: I wish I knew but nop
[05:13] <imaek> :\
[05:13] <sproingie> there's many variants of wine.  if you want to play games, wine stable ain't gonna help much
[05:13] <synd> neighborlee: thanks, im checkin it out as we speak
[05:13] <kvidell> wine - Windows Emulator (Binary Emulator)
[05:13] <kvidell> wine-doc - Windows Emulator (Documentation)
[05:13] <kvidell> wine-utils - Windows Emulator (Utilities)
[05:13] <kvidell> winetools - A graphical setup suite for Wine
[05:13] <kvidell> you might grab those from apt-get
[05:13] <neighborlee> synd:np..kewl
[05:13] <sproingie> wine from cvs or dx9wine will do it.  if you want idiotproof, buy a copy of cedega
[05:13] <synd> bah this is linux, im not buying shit : )
[05:13] <tony__> That was it! thanx...
[05:13] <mhz> linuxamoeba21: ok, that's important... do not kill the music until you see the "ps aux" and identify the process number AND line that goes with it
[05:13] <neighborlee> synd: lol
[05:13] <thoreauputic> imaek: this *is* a hardware modem with a serial external connection, yes?
[05:13] <sproingie> thus concludes my sum knowledge of wine, as i actually just boot to windows when i want to game
[05:14] <linuxamoeba21> well it stopped... so now i play the waiting game... it could be days
[05:14] <r0bby> OR
[05:14] <r0bby> run vmware :)
[05:14] <neighborlee> sproingie, what games force you to boot to that crappy OS <G>
[05:14] <kvidell> <3 vmware
[05:14] <sproingie> itunes in vmware would be punishing
[05:14] <synd> vmware?
[05:15] <sproingie> neighborlee: oddly, the games i like the most both have linux versions.  i'm just lazy
[05:15] <neighborlee> synd: its not free dont worry
[05:15] <neighborlee> sproingie, ahhhh ok heh
[05:15] <synd> : )
[05:15] <sproingie> my pc is poorly ventilated tho, so NWN causes my poor pc to overheat
[05:15] <sproingie> oddly, UT does not
[05:15] <neighborlee> sproingie, I was going to say..neverwinter nights has native linux version just in case you are interested..nwn.bioware.com
[05:15] <sproingie> yep, i mostly just play on console these days
[05:15] <neighborlee> LOL great mionds
[05:15] <neighborlee> minds
[05:15] <mhz> linuxamoeba21: OR, maybe you could also have some sort of "tail -f /var/log/... "
[05:15] <neighborlee> we spit that out almost same time <G>
[05:16] <neighborlee> I have nwn too..plays great on linux although its best to install the mouse fix and movies too
[05:16] <fr500> sproingie, itunes works decent in cxoffice
[05:16] <Xenguy> dpkg I know *exactly* what you mean
[05:16] <Xenguy> ww
[05:16] <clueless1> Can anyone help me out with grub?
[05:16] <sproingie> neighborlee: i'm aware of that, i just don't care to fill up both my win and linux partitions.  lt's not like i do anything else when playing nwn, so i treat windows like a console
[05:16] <neighborlee> clueless1, whats wrong
[05:16] <neighborlee> sproingie, ahhh ok understood
[05:16] <marcelcole> hello
[05:16] <neighborlee> ;-)
[05:17] <neighborlee> sproingie, we all hope nwn2 works for us too..
[05:17] <neighborlee> hi marcelcole
[05:17] <marcelcole> I'm a n00b to ubuntu lol
[05:17] <marcelcole> and need some help with my modem
[05:17] <neighborlee> dain I hate autocomplete with a room this big..what a pita sometimes LOL
[05:17] <sproingie> in fact most games fail to hold my attention these days.  GTA is fun, but i'm so bad at it, it stops being fun
[05:17] <neighborlee> marcelcole, welcome !!
[05:17] <clueless1> I installed Hoary to my SATA hd but grub was installed to my PATA which I want to remove from this computer
[05:17] <fr500> sproingie, there is always good old cs
[05:17] <neighborlee> sproingie, keep checking happypenguin.org ;-)..there are tons of good ones
[05:18] <marcelcole> I have a laptop "Dell Inspiron 5160" and the modem is not working
[05:18] <neighborlee> if you like army games there is the free AA and ET
[05:18] <sproingie> fr500: can't do multiplayer that well.  i get schooled by 9-year-olds
[05:18] <kvidell> sproingie: I suck at GTA too. I just hijack a nice car and drive around until it blows up, or cheat and get the tank and destroy things :-D
[05:18] <fr500> lol
[05:18] <marcelcole> cant connect at all
[05:18] <neighborlee> marcelcole, what kind is it
[05:18] <sproingie> kvidell: yep, but that's only fun for an hour or so
[05:18] <fr500> sproingie, everyone does
[05:18] <marcelcole> hold on
[05:18] <kvidell> lol, okay
[05:18] <marcelcole> can't remember x_x, checking
[05:18] <sproingie> kvidell: i went out looking for burnout3 today ... now that game has mayhem
[05:18] <sproingie> couldn't find it anywhere tho :(
[05:18] <kvidell> :)
[05:18] <neighborlee> man this bittorrent stuf sure bites lately..grrrrrrr
[05:18] <kvidell> aw :-\
[05:18] <kvidell> hm. not sure.
[05:18] <disasm> heya all, i have a laptop, and gkrellm battery has an option for alarms. I'd like to set an alarm at 2% so it automatically shuts down (that way it doesn't just crash at 0%) but I can't figure out how to allow gkrellm to be able to issue a halt, since sudo prompts for a pw any ideas???
[05:19] <marcelcole> Broadcom Polaris
[05:19] <Xenguy> marcelcole: 'minicom' can sometimes be helpful with debugging (that's all I can suggest for now)
[05:19] <locomorto> Anyone here play tmw?
[05:19] <locomorto> The mana World
[05:19] <sproingie> i haven't checked out the linux game scene lately tho
[05:19] <locomorto> cause i have no idea what level i need to be to sit :(
[05:19] <sproingie> i presume it's evolved beyond xbill and tuxracer?
[05:19] <disasm> marcelcole: is that a winmodem you have?
[05:19] <locomorto> yes
[05:19] <marcelcole> I don't think so
[05:19] <johnnybezak> have any of you guys put together a mythtv box?
[05:20] <Sensebend> how does one check what versions of packages are currently in breezy?
[05:20] <disasm> johnnybezak: i have, i liked freevo better though, it had a better interface, and the python code was pretty simple to customize it.
[05:20] <sproingie> i wish someone would port progressquest to linux.  now there's a game i can play well :)
[05:20] <neighborlee> marcelcole, what does ifconfig tell you and how are you connecting...
[05:20] <neighborlee> sproingie, never heard of it..although there are tons of kewl games for linux these days
[05:21] <johnnybezak> disasm: yeah but i hear that the actual tv features of freevo are pretty crappy (time shifting etc)
[05:21] <kvidell> frozen-bubble > *
[05:21] <raDeon> kvidell, sex > frozen-bubble > *
[05:21] <fossa> i love frozen bubble
[05:21] <sproingie> neighborlee: progressquest is the ultimate RPG
[05:21] <fossa> that was the first apt-get i did
[05:21] <neighborlee> sproingie, how bout: uplink or darwinia or tale in the desert or venetta...savage is interesting although I dont know if linux support is still ac tive
[05:21] <sproingie> i bet it runs under wine
[05:21] <disasm> johnnybezak: but it looks like myth might be better for ubuntu, since i don't see freevo in apt-cache search
[05:21] <kvidell> raDeon: good enough :) I am engaged so I can agree to that ;)
[05:21] <neighborlee> sproingie, i was going to say wine might do it
[05:21] <raDeon> ;;)
[05:22] <kvidell> you're a bot aren't you?
[05:22] <raDeon> yes
[05:22] <johnnybezak> disasm: yeah im just downloading a hoary cd, the warty one got kernel panics on boot after i'd installed it. strange
[05:22] <mhz> marcelcole: did you try http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DialupModemHowto
[05:22] <raDeon> LMAO HOARY
[05:22] <kvidell> :-P
[05:22] <marcelcole> i'll take a look
[05:22] <fossa> can i create a link to a directory on the desktop?
[05:22] <neighborlee> bah why dont they make a livecd/installer thats not dvd..gee they gotta make it hard on us dont they LOL
[05:23] <neighborlee> i mean not everyone has a DVD burner these days and they arent' that cheap unless you get a real cheap one...:(((
[05:23] <sproingie> who's they?
[05:23] <disasm> neighborlee: im guessing size constraints
[05:23] <neighborlee> ubuntu team
[05:23] <kvidell> neighborlee: I have a non DVD live CD for Ubuntu
[05:23] <neighborlee> mabye they offer both DE's shrug
[05:23] <sproingie> uh, ubuntu's livecd is a cd
[05:23] <kvidell> it's 5.04 even
[05:23] <neighborlee> kvidell, yes but I want a insataller too
[05:23] <sproingie> then download the installer cd
[05:24] <kvidell> lol
[05:24] <neighborlee> nope I want both in one
[05:24] <sproingie> i wish ubuntu had a netinst mini-cd
[05:24] <kvidell> wel laren't we picky
[05:24] <neighborlee> LOL
[05:24] <kvidell> :-
[05:24] <mhz> neighborlee: like Morphix?
[05:24] <neighborlee> yes I admit to being picky
[05:24] <kvidell> :-P*
[05:24] <neighborlee> freely
[05:24] <neighborlee> lol
[05:24] <mhz> neighborlee: I agree with you
[05:24] <neighborlee> mhz, yup..or knoppix or kannotix or....
[05:24] <mhz> plus shipping will be cheaper
[05:24] <marcelcole> I ran through that guide
[05:25] <neighborlee> mhz: thx ...you saved me  from near persecution by my peers
[05:25] <kvidell> too bad you can't make the ubuntulive cd upload a PXEStart/KickStart script to a centralized location that you could install from later with all of the livecd's discoveries installed automagically
[05:25] <kvidell> that'd be coo >.>
[05:25] <marcelcole> it appears to have a connection between my modem and the phone
[05:25] <marcelcole> my phone says extension in use
[05:25] <marcelcole> but no sound is coming from the phone
[05:25] <mhz> marcelcole: sorry then. imaek is having similar problems and I have never used Modem :(
[05:25] <neighborlee> hmm..modem in linux can be iffy especially if it is winmodem
[05:25] <neighborlee> and I bet it is
[05:25] <disasm> marcelcole: what are you using to dial?
[05:25] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: google "ubuntu express"
[05:25] <mhz> kvidell: very cool!
[05:25] <sproingie> pxeboot install would be neat, no idea how to actually make that work
[05:25] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, okay thank you
[05:26] <sproingie> i believe debian sarge has a pxeboot installer
[05:26] <fr500> hey
[05:26] <kvidell> yes it does
[05:26] <neighborlee> ubuntu is THE best so yeah i was just hoping for livecd/installer combo ;-))
[05:26] <marcelcole> disasm - What do yo mean?
[05:26] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, so thx
[05:26] <fr500> is that wolfenstein: enemy territory based on the new wolf 3d?
[05:26] <fr500> is it free?
[05:26] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: a live Cd / installer is being worked on
[05:26] <mpm> who is familiar with rdiff-backup?  It appears to have backed up hidden files but not hidden dirs... ??
[05:26] <disasm> marcelcole: what app are you using to dial? minicom? wvdial? kppp? etc...
[05:26] <mhz> neighborlee: did you suggest it to people in Canonical?
[05:26] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, ;-)god bless em
[05:26] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:27] <mhz> thoreauputic: "is working..." when's out?
[05:27] <neighborlee> althogh I really should get a dvd burner anyway I supppose
[05:27] <neighborlee> I can see games demanding it very soon ..;-0
[05:27] <thoreauputic> mhz: I don't know
[05:27] <marcelcole> I just installed ubuntu and used the System -> administration -> networking part as well as pppconfig
[05:27] <disasm> neighborlee: $39.99 last i checked on newegg
[05:27] <fr500> neighborlee, but pressed cds come with a live cd and install cd
[05:27] <disasm> neighborlee: and thats dual layer ;-)
[05:28] <neighborlee> disasm, yeah but is it a decent brand for that price
[05:28] <neighborlee> fr500, yup
[05:28] <kvidell> lite-on and toshiba are cheap and I've had no problems with them (as far as DVD-Burners)
[05:28] <neighborlee> I should bite bullet and go get a dvd  burner and forget it LOL..being cheap
[05:28] <disasm> neighborlee: probly not, but if it's cheap who cares if it dies in a year?
[05:29] <neighborlee> heh true I suppose
[05:29] <neighborlee> kvidell, ah ok kewl
[05:29] <disasm> marcelcole: i've always used wvdial myself, do you have minicom installed?
[05:30] <fr500> oh crap, wrong ubuntu cd, preview release 1
[05:30] <marcelcole> where is that in ubunut?
[05:30] <fr500> i just finished installing
[05:30] <marcelcole> ubuntu*
[05:31] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, is there a test for this express yet by chance...
[05:31] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: again, I don't know -n i doubt it
[05:32] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, nice that its being worked on though...very nice and I like the goals
[05:32] <kestas> is there any way of encrypting a stream in linux? like tar -pvcf - ./something/ | encrypt | gzip > archive.tar.enc.gz
[05:32] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, thx for info
[05:32] <Siropel> samuel still on?:D
[05:33] <thoreauputic> neighborlee: some early info here (from ubuntu Down Under conference wiki)
[05:33] <thoreauputic> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuExpress
[05:33] <marcelcole> how do u use WVdial?
[05:33] <kvidell> ugh
[05:33] <disasm> marcelcole: wvdialconf
[05:33] <kvidell> wvdial looks like my name :-P
[05:33] <kestas> anyone know of a stream/block cipher program for linux?
[05:33] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, yup first place I went from da google <G>
[05:33] <kvidell> and I don't have highlights, I just tune in on seeing my name
[05:33] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, thx
[05:34] <colphorbin> can anyone tell me how do you go about installing KDE on ubuntu?
[05:34] <r0bby> rtfm
[05:34] <kvidell> collphorbin: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:34] <marcelcole> Sorry, no modem was detected!
[05:34] <r0bby> marcelcole, rtfm
[05:34] <r0bby> google knows
[05:34] <mpm> is there a way to show with apt-get or synaptic a list of all programs I've installed myself?
[05:34] <disasm> marcelcole: probly winmodem, is it built in the dell or pcmcia?
[05:34] <neighborlee> has anyone figured out the odd crashy stuff in gnome in ubuntu or is it that 2.10 is slightly that way atm..evo crashed one day and took the destkop with it...I had to hard reboot to get out of it so just wondering.....( can't find anything on forums)
[05:35] <disasm> mpm: dpkg -l
[05:35] <thoreauputic> r0bby: um, rtfm is deprecated around here
[05:35] <kvidell> mpm: use aptitude from a terminal, then go to "installed programs" I guess
[05:35] <marcelcole> its in the laptop
[05:35] <disasm> thoreauputic: nicely put
[05:35] <disasm> marcelcole: whats the model?
[05:35] <thoreauputic> !conduct
[05:35] <ubotu> conduct is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/document_view
[05:35] <marcelcole> Inspiron 5160
[05:35] <r0bby> oh
[05:35] <r0bby> sry
[05:35] <thoreauputic> I suggest people read that
[05:36] <mpm> so rtfc where c=conduct? </friendly tone>
[05:36] <kestas> read the full manual
[05:36] <kestas> rtfm
[05:36] <mhz> thoreauputic: I agree
[05:36] <neighborlee> thoreauputic, nicely said...ubuntu 'rocks'
[05:36] <disasm> marcelcole: it's a conexant winmodem
[05:37] <marcelcole> :o
[05:37] <r0bby> alrighty, sorry
[05:37] <mhz> mpm: or ReadTheFriendlyConduct
[05:37] <marcelcole> Can it work with ubuntu?
[05:37] <disasm> marcelcole: im googling
[05:37] <neighborlee> r0bby, its ok we live and learn...be happy use ubuntu ;-))
[05:38] <mhz> marcelcole: usually, if it works under Debian, it may work under Ubuntu
[05:38] <marcelcole> ok
[05:38] <marcelcole> so pretty much trial and error?
[05:38] <mhz> marcelcole: so have you tried Debian Modem HowTo?
[05:38] <mhz> yep
[05:38] <marcelcole> nope
[05:38] <marcelcole> links?
[05:38] <samuel> good night all
[05:38] <mhz> that's the only way we truly learn
[05:38] <mhz> nn Salihu
[05:38] <mhz> nn samiam
[05:39] <mhz> sorry
[05:39] <mhz> autocompletetion :)
[05:39] <r0bby> I have a bad habit of flaming :X
[05:39] <mhz> np
[05:39] <mhz> good is you noticed it
[05:39] <mhz> :)
[05:40] <mhz> marcelcole: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/howtos.html
[05:40] <mhz> a bunch of howtos I hope one day get moved into Wiki style
[05:40] <mhz> esp. MoinMoin
[05:40] <mhz> :)
[05:41] <r0bby> GOD DAMN
[05:41] <r0bby> i mean
[05:41] <r0bby> \:X
[05:41] <r0bby> er
[05:41] <r0bby> disregard
[05:41] <disasm> marcelcole: i think i found something
[05:41] <SLicE_> hey guys, I kind of lost firefox from my menu and I was wondering what the command for firefox is
[05:41] <marcelcole> :o
[05:41] <mhz> marcelcole: but if you ever successfully make it work, please wiki the whole process in ubuntu wiki
[05:42] <marcelcole> what is it disasm?
[05:42] <disasm> http://www.linuxant.com/drivers/
[05:42] <disasm> you need to compile src though
[05:42] <fr500> how should i update from ubuntu hoary preview release 1 to hoary final? just apt-get upgrade?
[05:42] <marcelcole> :|
[05:42] <marcelcole> is there any precompiled?
[05:42] <crimsun> fr500: update your sources.list, then update && dist-upgrade
[05:42] <crimsun> fr500: make sure you read the upgrade caveats on the wiki
[05:43] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: try " mozilla-firefox"
[05:43] <fr500> crimsun, from hoary preview to hoary a lot of difference?
[05:43] <thoreauputic> or /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox
[05:43] <fr500> ok ganne read
[05:43] <marcelcole> which should I be getting HCF or HSF?
[05:43] <crimsun> fr500: some, yes
[05:43] <Siropel> hmmm ...how do i set the gateway so i can connect to the net ?
[05:43] <disasm> i dunno, you have to find out your hardware specs to know, do you dual boot with windows? that will tell you
[05:43] <mhz> has anyone successfully set up a USB snapscan e25 scanner??
[05:44] <marcelcole> no
[05:44] <mhz> or any USB scanner
[05:44] <marcelcole> I've got rid of windows
[05:44] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, didn't work
[05:44] <colphorbin> so do i just apt-get install kubuntu-desktop at the root terminal?
[05:44] <fr500> crimsun, it's a clear install luckiky so i can risk myself
[05:44] <colphorbin> how the hell is that supposed to get to my computer?
[05:44] <mhz> colphorbin: yep
[05:44] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, I'm wondering if its still installed cause I did something stupid
[05:44] <marcelcole> i'll download both HCF/HSF and try to install both
[05:44] <marcelcole> :D
[05:44] <mhz> colphorbin: automagically
[05:45] <MegaManX> mhz, my scanner works fine. It's a HP Scanjet 2200c
[05:45] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: what does ` which firefox`  or `which mozilla-firefox` return?
[05:45] <mhz> colphorbin: APT is a very fine designed tool
[05:45] <fr500> crimsun, using an updated cd would make my download lighter riight?
[05:45] <mhz> MegaManX: and just out of the box or you had to set path to firmaware and stuff ?
[05:45] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, no response just another line
[05:45] <colphorbin> terminal response: couldn't find kubuntu-desktop
[05:46] <MegaManX> mhz, nope, nothing. I just typed modprobe scanner, fired up xsane and it worked
[05:46] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: you must have uninstalled it
[05:46] <mhz> MegaManX: I envy you! :D
[05:46] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, how can I get it back?
[05:46] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, I don't know if I have another browser
[05:46] <MegaManX> mhz, nah, I had luck I guess :)
[05:46] <mhz> MegaManX: I've spend about 5 hours in total, googling, trying, posting, reading, etc
[05:46] <r0bby> I wanna play with breezy :/
[05:46] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[05:46] <crimsun> fr500: yes
[05:47] <mhz> colphorbin: try apt-get update first
[05:47] <colphorbin> so is the terminal response supposed to say that or do i need to go fetch soemthing
[05:47] <mhz> colphorbin: ommit the "first" though
[05:47] <mhz> :)
[05:47] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[05:47] <SLicE_> Reading package lists... Done
[05:47] <SLicE_> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:47] <SLicE_> mozilla-firefox is already the newest version.
[05:47] <SLicE_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 4 not upgraded.
[05:47] <MegaManX> mhz, oh man, I hate when that happens :\. But what does it happen when you type "sudo modprobe scanner" and try to run xsane, for example?
[05:47] <colphorbin> ok
[05:47] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: erm...
[05:48] <mhz> colphorbin: APT auto-connects to repositories where it'll get the packages
[05:48] <thoreauputic> SLicE_:  dpkg -L mozilla-firefox | grep bin
[05:48] <jared> hi all!  one question - how do I fix the log in screen so I can log in as root from the log in screen?  I get the message "system adminstrator not allowed to log in" on that screen.
[05:48] <disasm> marcelcole: lspci -v|grep Modem
[05:48] <mhz> MegaManX: yep, no scanner :)
[05:48] <crimsun> jared: see the topic url regarding root
[05:48] <disasm> marcelcole: run that and tell me what it says
[05:48] <MegaManX> mhz, :(
[05:48] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, just went to the next line
[05:48] <mhz> MegaManX: but it is supposed to have that module
[05:49] <disasm> jared: now why would you want to run X as root?
[05:49] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: something is seriously b0rked...
[05:49] <mhz> MegaManX: because is hoarty?
[05:49] <jared> crimsun:  where do I find that?  and disasm - i need to move some files manually without the use of the console.
[05:49] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: how did you get into this mess?
[05:49] <MegaManX> mhz, I think so. I mean, I have had luck with that scanner since Mandrake 9.0 I think :)
[05:49] <crimsun> jared: /topic
[05:49] <disasm> jared: sudo nautilus them
[05:50] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, I was on ubuntuforums and I was trying to switch to xfce4 standalone and I entered the box of info into my console and restarted
[05:50] <mhz> MegaManX: the funny thing is that it get recognized :)
[05:50] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, I'd show you the line if I could open a browser
[05:50] <mhz> MegaManX: BUT it fails when "xscanimage"
[05:50] <Xnalz> hmmm installing ubuntu atm on my other comp do i want the base system or defualt(newbie to linux)?
[05:50] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: you just copy-pasted a script ? Without understanding it?
[05:50] <sproingie> default
[05:50] <sproingie> base system is bare minimum
[05:51] <Xnalz> ty
[05:51] <mhz> colphorbin: any luck updating? you should see a bunch of % lines
[05:51] <MegaManX> mhz, did you try to run sudo xsane?. This is not really a good idea, but maybe you don't have permissions for that device?
[05:51] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, more or less.....yes
[05:51] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: :/
[05:51] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, I knew what it did, just not what it did to firefox
[05:51] <jared> thanks for the help :)
[05:51] <mhz> MegaManX: yes, I did. same message
[05:51] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: well, looks like apt is now totally confused
[05:51] <disasm> thoreauputic: what commands did you issue?
[05:52] <disasm> err that was to SLicE_
[05:52] <MegaManX> mhz, :/
[05:52] <thoreauputic> disasm: um...
[05:52] <thoreauputic> ah OK
[05:52] <mhz> MegaManX: I may be missing a link (ln -s) to som,ething or just don't have usbdevfs (i do not have it)
[05:52] <fr500> wow 350mb to get to hoary final
[05:52] <fr500> ......
[05:52] <fr500> and then all my needed patches and configs
[05:52] <mhz> MegaManX: are you running hoarty?
[05:52] <disasm> SLicE_: if it helps tail -n 20 ~/.bash_history
[05:52] <fr500> well gotta be a fun night
[05:53] <colphorbin> i got zilch, it keeps telling me that the package is not found
[05:53] <MegaManX> Ubuntu Hoary 5.04 here. The one freely shipped :D
[05:53] <MegaManX> mhz, Ubuntu Hoary 5.04 here. The one freely shipped :D
[05:54] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, it does. I can show you what I entered
[05:54] <mhz> MegaManX: cool, can you please run:  cat /proc/filesystems |grep usb
[05:54] <mhz> and see how many usb cmatches?
[05:54] <colphorbin> this doesn't have anything to do with the fact that i have a dsl connection does it?
[05:54] <MegaManX> mhz, nodev   usbfs
[05:54] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: paste it on pastebin.com ... oh .. no in #flood I guess
[05:54] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, sudo apt-get install x-window-system-core xfce4 synaptic gnome-sudo gdm acpi acpid powermanagement-interface mozilla-firefox
[05:54] <mhz> colphorbin: nop, as long as you have internet connection... cool
[05:55] <mhz> MegaManX: see? we're ok
[05:55] <mhz> same here
[05:55] <mhz> so, at least one less variable :)
[05:55] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: well, that should not have broken anything afaics
[05:55] <mhz> colphorbin: but did you update?
[05:56] <colphorbin> apt-get update?
[05:56] <MegaManX> strange that your scanner won't run :\ Have you had any luck with any other Linux distribution?
[05:56] <colphorbin> yes
[05:56] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: what does ` ls -l /usr/bin/firefox ` say?
[05:56] <MegaManX> mhz, strange that your scanner won't run :\ Have you had any luck with any other Linux distribution?
[05:56] <thoreauputic> if anything...
[05:56] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, no such file or directory
[05:56] <mhz> colphorbin: see... mhz@ubuntuno:~ $ sudo apt-cache search kubuntu
[05:56] <mhz> Password:
[05:56] <mhz> kubuntu-default-settings - Default settings and artwork for the Kubuntu desktop
[05:56] <mhz> kubuntu-desktop - Kubuntu desktop system
[05:56] <mhz> kubuntu-live - Kubuntu live system
[05:56] <mhz> mhz@ubuntuno:~ $
[05:57] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: try this: ` sudo apt-get install --reinstall mozilla-firefox `
[05:57] <mhz> MegaManX: I tried Knoppix, Morphix and Xevian
[05:57] <mhz> (well, all Debian :D )
[05:57] <MegaManX> :)
[05:57] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, I have liftoff you may be my hero
[05:58] <mhz> MegaManX: I'll try Mandrake :(
[05:58] <disasm> thoreauputic: --reinstall, going to have to remember that one, i always do --purge remove and then install
[05:58] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: if anythig else is missing, try the same syntax for that
[05:58] <colphorbin> it just returned me to root
[05:58] <colphorbin> argh!
[05:58] <mhz> colphorbin: do you accpet "queries" (personal chats)
[05:58] <ukato> hi, i need a windows emulator or something emulator like, and i was wondering what everyone recommended
[05:58] <thoreauputic> disasm: that way you lose your config as well
[05:59] <colphorbin> yeah sure
[05:59] <mhz> ukato: wine
[05:59] <MegaManX> mhz, I like Mandrake, but I found Ubuntu so nice. I think my top 5 OS would be Ubuntu, Gentoo, Slackware, SuSE, Mandrake :)
[05:59] <MegaManX> not in that order though :)
[05:59] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, I'm gonna test it
[05:59] <ukato> mhz, is that tough to set up?
[05:59] <disasm> thoreauputic: well, sometimes i leave off purge, but most of the time, i have the config backed up somewhere and i want to see remove my custom configs from the picture
[05:59] <fr500> Ubuntu is best for 1st time distro i think, and for end users
[05:59] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: if you type `which firefox` you should get an answer now
[05:59] <shido> ok
[05:59] <mhz> MegaManX: mine... Debian, Ubuntu, Getnoo, FreeBSD, Slackware
[06:00] <thoreauputic> disasm: horses for courses :)
[06:00] <shido> in KDE under ubuntu hoary - how do I add an item like a "terminal" to my mouse drop down menu?
[06:00] <MegaManX> oh yeah, FreeBSD is lovely, forgot that one :). I love Ports :D
[06:00] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, no firefox
[06:00] <thoreauputic> try mozilla-firefox then
[06:00] <mhz> ukato: don't know.. I am 100% FreeAsInFreedom, therefore, NO PROPIETARY OS ever!!!
[06:00] <fr500> i like Gentoo for custom applications
[06:00] <mhz> ukato: sorry
[06:00] <mhz> ukato: but there are many HowTos
[06:00] <disasm> thoreauputic: like when mailman b0rked on my debian sid install, couldn't get anything to work till i completely purged it, eventually i got it working and decided to switch to minimalist, much easier to setup...
[06:01] <Elsidox> im having problems with .ogg video files. They dont seem to play.
[06:01] <Elsidox> can anyone help?
[06:02] <nalioth> Elsidox: have you installed all your ogg pkgs?
[06:02] <ukato> ahaha
[06:02] <ukato> mhz, alright, i'll try that, thanks
[06:02] <mhz> :D
[06:02] <nalioth> Elsidox: theora is ogg video, i believe
[06:02] <colphorbin> mhz, how do you accept a query?
[06:02] <mhz> ukato: wine is not the only option, there are at least two more
[06:02] <Elsidox> nalioth, theroa is insatlled (by deafault)
[06:03] <ukato> but wine should work?
[06:03] <Elsidox> installed*
[06:03] <mhz> ukato: AFAIK, yes
[06:03] <nalioth> Elsidox: really? i had to install some ogg things
[06:03] <kvidell> I'm gunna leave.
[06:03] <kvidell> so there.
[06:03] <disasm> ukato: depends on the app its hit and miss to get working...
[06:03] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, I appreciate your help I just think I broke it like a moron
[06:03] <nalioth> Elsidox: perhaps using synaptic to find all ogg vorbis theora stuff?
[06:04] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: working? If not try ` sudo apt-get remove --purge mozilla-firefox && sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox `
[06:04] <Elsidox> nalioth, i searched for theora in synaptic and its all installed
[06:04] <ukato> disasm, if i was going to play some older games, would it work
[06:04] <ukato> in general
[06:04] <nalioth> Elsidox: ogg dosnt play in all your media players?
[06:04] <disasm> ukato: best to google for game name + linux
[06:04] <ukato> okay, thanks
[06:05] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: to install xfce4 all you really needed to do was type `sudo apt-get install xfce4 `
[06:05] <Elsidox> nalioth, I didnt understamd that question
[06:05] <disasm> SLicE_: try apt-get --purge remove mozilla-firefox && apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[06:05] <mhz> kvidell: good trip
[06:05] <Elsidox> nalioth, mp3s play wmv .mov plays everything play. Excpet for my .ogg files
[06:05] <thoreauputic> disasm: as I suggested above...
[06:06] <nalioth> Elsidox: do oggs play in totem, vlc, rhythmbox, mpg123, etc?
[06:06] <disasm> oh, you already suggested that...
[06:06] <disasm> hmmm....
[06:06] <nalioth> Elsidox: or is it just ONE app that doesnt play?
[06:06] <thoreauputic> disasm: oh well - confirmation  never hurts ;)
[06:06] <shido> how do you add things to the mouse drop down menu?
[06:06] <synd> shido: get smeg
[06:06] <Elsidox> nalioth, no apps play therse .ogg video files. They start to play than stop.
[06:07] <shido> what is smeg?
[06:07] <shido> in synaptic?
[06:07] <disasm> thoreauputic: only other thing i can think of is it's a bad download he has stored, what the command to remove already dl'd packages? apt-get clean?
[06:08] <nalioth> shido: you'll need to google "smeg" or read the wiki for the link
[06:08] <thoreauputic> disasm: yes - might be wortha shot
[06:08] <shido> ok thanks
[06:08] <MegaManX> Finally, got gdesklets/starterbar to work :D
[06:08] <thoreauputic> apt-get clean could help...
[06:08] <synd> nalioth: i thought smeg was in the repos?
[06:08] <nalioth> Elsidox: do you have gstreamer0.8-misc installed?
[06:08] <synd> apt* i mea
[06:08] <synd> n
[06:08] <nalioth> synd: i'm not sure, i don't use it
[06:08] <disasm> SLicE_: try sudo apt-get clean before doing a remove install
[06:08] <nalioth> synd: and i don't think it's in main
[06:08] <ukato> ok, thanks guys
[06:09] <MegaManX> snapshot: http://www.geocities.com/kooltux/snapshots/ubuntu/ubuntu01.jpg
[06:09] <Elsidox> nalioth, yes
[06:09] <MegaManX> gdesklets is sweet :D
[06:09] <nalioth> Elsidox: then i am at a loss
[06:09] <bob2> smeg isn't in hoary
[06:10] <neighborlee> is there a supermount package for ubuntu or is it in works for breezy possibly ?
[06:10] <Elsidox> nalioth, thanks anyways. =)
[06:10] <bob2> neighborlee: no
[06:10] <bob2> neighborlee: cds and usb things get handled automatically already
[06:10] <neighborlee> bob2:sorrry not specific enough..I mean for 'eject'
[06:10] <neighborlee> bob2: I mean sorry I wasn't specific enough..;-)
[06:11] <neighborlee> DAC1138, hi there dac ;-)
[06:11] <DAC1138> hey
[06:11] <bob2> neighborlee: supermount is a horrible horrible hack, afaik it's not on the cards at all
[06:11] <DAC1138> neighborlee, im keeping quiet for now
[06:11] <neighborlee> lol
[06:12] <DAC1138> neighborlee, im trying to figure out how to get kdenlive still
[06:12] <neighborlee> bob2: any idea why they left eject out of loop for automount ?
[06:12] <neighborlee> DAC1138, heh
[06:12] <DAC1138> neighborlee, im thinking i should get some kubuntu apt-get repos so apt-get can get kdenlive and the required libs
[06:12] <neighborlee> bob2: maybe submount is better ( what suse uses I think)
[06:13] <bob2> neighborlee: no one uses automount, either.  it's all gnome-volume-manager.
[06:13] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, I tried purge and install and clean, do I need to reboot?
[06:13] <disasm> SLicE_: did you do the install after the clean?
[06:13] <neighborlee> bob2: yes that is what I meant..I was just wondering why they chose not to allow eject to work instead of requiring right clicking icon to do it
[06:13] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: no, jsut try and run mozilla-firefox
[06:13] <thoreauputic> *just
[06:14] <MrGardenHoseMan> what kernel is the latest version of ubuntu runing?
[06:14] <MrGardenHoseMan> i can't find it anywhere
[06:14] <bob2> neighborlee: how could you make it work?  you only get unplug events from the usb controller after the user has unplugged it, and then it's too late
[06:14] <shido> hrmm
[06:14] <bob2> MrGardenHoseMan: hoary uses 2.6.10
[06:14] <MrGardenHoseMan> thanks
[06:15] <neighborlee> bob2: somehow several distros do it so dont ask me..I was just hopeful it would work in my fav. distro soon  ;-))
[06:15] <shido> in kde I have create new , bookmarks, run command, etc - how do I add "Terminal" or something to this menu when I right click on the desktop
[06:15] <shido> ?
[06:15] <CountDown> MrGardenHoseMan: You can check from the terminal using "uname -a"
[06:15] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, damn it mozilla-firefox command not found
[06:15] <CountDown> SLicE_: try "firefox"
[06:15] <neighborlee> bob2: maybe mandriva uses the hack of supermount dunno <G>
[06:16] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: as disasm pointed out, you needed to do apt-get clean *before* purge and reinstall
[06:17] <disasm> neighborlee: the problem is your unplugging a mounted device, maybe the other distros clean up after it's unplugged better but it still isn't good to unplug a mounted device (unless there is some kind of hook so when you close the file manager it automagically unmounts the device, which i would consider a pain, not a feature) even windows xp you have to click on the ejecter to unmount a usb drive
[06:17] <nalioth> anyone know how to add to the KDE context menu?
[06:18] <SLicE_> I did
[06:18] <shido> something like [Mouse Buttons]
[06:18] <shido> Middle=WindowListMenu
[06:18] <neighborlee> disasm, well I can't believe the major distros that support this 'feature' do it in  a hack fashion..but fine I get the general idea  here
[06:18] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, the first time I just did it purge and install, the second time I did clean, purge, then install
[06:19] <bob2> nalioth: #kubuntu would be a better place to ask
[06:19] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: hmmm... well, as a last resort maybe try ` sudo apt-get -f install ` with no packages
[06:19] <thoreauputic> just ` sudo apt-get -f install `
[06:19] <bob2> neighborlee: it is a pretty nasty hack, that's why it's not in the real kernel still, after so many years
[06:19] <nalioth> bob2 was askin for shido
[06:19] <bob2> nalioth: eh?
[06:19] <disasm> SLicE_: try /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin
[06:19] <nalioth> shido: bob2 suggests #kubuntu
[06:19] <neighborlee> bob2: oh ok
[06:19] <neighborlee> bob2: yikes
[06:20] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: does ` dpkg -L mozilla-firefox | grep bin ` return anything now?
[06:21] <SLicE_> no such file or directory for /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin
[06:21] <SLicE_> and nothing on dpkg -L mozilla-firefox | grep bin
[06:21] <bob2> SLicE_: dpkg -l mozilla-firefox| tail -n1
[06:21] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: that command I just gave should return about 8 lines
[06:22] <disasm> SLicE_: did it redownload when you did apt-get install?
[06:24] <tkiesel> Hi everyone.
[06:24] <disasm> SLicE_: after apt-get clean: ls /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla*     -   should display no such file or directory
[06:25] <tkiesel> Does anyone have a reccomendation for a live CD that's useful to rescue borked windows machines? I'm going to be taking on a bit of tech support overflow from a friend, and want to be prepared for weird cases.
[06:25] <bob2> tkiesel: ubuntu.
[06:25] <disasm> SLicE_: if it doesnt do rm /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-firefox* - then do apt-get install mozilla-firefox (all those have sudo's btw)
[06:25] <inc595> anyone using fluxbox with ubuntu?
[06:25] <HrdwrBoB> tkiesel: UBDCD
[06:25] <bob2> inc595: lots of people have, it works well.
[06:25] <disasm> inc595: of course, what else is ther?
[06:26] <HrdwrBoB> Ultimate Boot CD
[06:26] <tkiesel> bob2: The Ubuntu Live CD has good a good spread of tools for that purpose?
[06:26] <HrdwrBoB> it has a live CD and many many other tools
[06:26] <bob2> SLicE_: what does " dpkg -l mozilla-firefox| tail -n1" print?
[06:26] <inc595> you guys got fbdesk working on it?
[06:26] <disasm> inc595: now why would i want icons on my desktop? no, i've never used it, sorry
[06:26] <tkiesel> Awesome suggestions everyone. I'll have some fun researching.
[06:27] <inc595> disasm, well you know sometimes I miss my little icons lol
[06:27] <disasm> tkiesel: ubcd has a live linux cd called insert, it has a bunch of good tools
[06:28] <disasm> inc595: isn't that what bbicons is for? put icons in the slit ;-)
[06:28] <SLicE_> disasm,  dpkg -l mozilla-firefox| tail -n1 prints ii  mozilla-firefo 1.0.4-1ubuntu2 dummy transitional package
[06:28] <thor|coffee> hmm
[06:28] <disasm> 1.0.4? now how did you do that?
[06:28] <tkiesel> Thanks, disarm.
[06:29] <disasm> SLicE_: ok, what do we have in sources.list?
[06:29] <thor|coffee> SLicE_: that's not a standard Ubuntu package
[06:29] <bob2> SLicE_: there you go
[06:29] <thor|coffee> SLicE_: are you using backports?
[06:29] <disasm> tkiesel: disarm??? it's ok, i get called that alot ;-)
[06:30] <thor|coffee> disasm: it must be your disarming manner ;)
[06:30] <SLicE_> disasm, my sources list is off the unofficial ubuntu guide
[06:30] <bob2> ding ding, we have a winner
[06:30] <disasm> SLicE_: link?
[06:30] <thor|coffee> inded
[06:30] <thor|coffee> indeed
[06:30] <tkiesel> Whooops!
[06:31] <disasm> SLicE_: i have a question, what packages do you use that aren't in hoary? and is it worth having a sources.list that breaks things to have those packages?
[06:31] <SLicE_> lol no
[06:31] <SLicE_> disasm, how do I show you the sources list I have
[06:32] <bob2> SLicE_: he command is firefox, btw
[06:32] <bob2> also, if you're using "backports", please tell people who are helping you to begin with
[06:32] <inc595> backports rock
[06:32] <inc595> lol
[06:32] <badkarma> anyone use 5.04 on amd64?
[06:33] <disasm> badkarma: yuppers, it rocks
[06:33] <badkarma> yes it does
[06:33] <sproingie> 5.04 == hoary?
[06:33] <HrdwrBoB> badkarma: yes
[06:33] <nalioth> badkarma: i'm on ppc, which is almost the same thing
[06:33] <HrdwrBoB> badkarma: optersons and amd64
[06:33] <disasm> SLicE_: wget http://irc.gentux.org:8000/sources.list
[06:33] <sproingie> it doth rock on amd64
[06:33] <badkarma> yeah, fairly close :)
[06:33] <inc595> nalioth, how you feel bout mac going to intel?
[06:34] <sproingie> tho i can't figure out how to make flash install in 32 bit firefox
[06:34] <disasm> SLicE_: thats a standard sources.list with multiverse added (using hoary) the main thing is it might break other packages you've already upgraded
[06:34] <sproingie> i hacked the installer to skip the arch check, but ff never detects the plugin
[06:34] <nalioth> inc595: i can see a powermac in 2k7 runnin two dual-core p4@4ghz
[06:34] <disasm> SLicE_: it goes in /etc/apt    -  and then you need to apt-get update
[06:34] <kdawg> tkiesel, http://www.sysresccd.org/ is my favorite
[06:35] <badkarma> a piece of shit mac though :(
[06:35] <SLicE_> disasm, ok I'll give it a shot
[06:35] <inc595> nalioth, dual booted with ubuntu
[06:35] <SLicE_> one sec
[06:35] <nalioth> inc595: of course!
[06:35] <badkarma> they shouldve just used opterons :-P
[06:36] <disasm> sproingie: the gplflash should work fine i haven't tried the proprietary (64bit binary non-existant, same with acroread)
[06:36] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: beware using pre-digested information without understanding it...
[06:36] <inc595> they still look pretty
[06:36] <nalioth> i can see apple using the price diff on the hardware to load the powermac up with just 'stupid' amounts of cpu power and ram
[06:37] <badkarma> thats all i can possibly imagine
[06:37] <inc595> or just raising the price with cheaper hardware ti increase profit margin
[06:37] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, believe me, I learned my lesson
[06:37] <shido> anyone know how to install openal
[06:37] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: :)
[06:37] <badkarma> lol
[06:37] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: well, it's all good then !
[06:38] <nalioth> inc595: they could maintain their pricepoint and use intel stuff and reap a great profit
[06:38] <disasm> thoreauputic: amd64 sources aren't different than x86 right? i looked in mine and it didn't say 64bit anywhere in them
[06:38] <thoreauputic> disasm: I don't know
[06:38] <thoreauputic> disasm: I only have ppc and i386
[06:38] <woodwizzle> How can I install inotify in hoary?
[06:39] <bob2> you can't, really
[06:39] <inc595> i thought when you compile from source your compiler takes care of that
[06:39] <disasm> woodwizzle: whats inotify?
[06:39] <woodwizzle> I thought i had it turned on, but udev did not create an device
[06:39] <woodwizzle> disasm: Its a kernel patch that makes beagle super awesome instead of just vanilla awesome
[06:39] <nalioth> inc595: yes you are correct
[06:39] <^thehatsrule^> i386 is x86 architecture...
[06:39] <disasm> woodwizzle: beagle?
[06:40] <nalioth> inc595: the compilation process knows what hardware it's in
[06:40] <badkarma> anyone know if there is a working gcc4?
[06:40] <bob2> badkarma: sure....it's even in hoary
[06:40] <bob2> you can't use it in general, tho
[06:40] <badkarma> ahhh
[06:40] <bob2> (where general = things that use C++)
[06:40] <inc595> need a working fbdesk
[06:40] <woodwizzle> disasm: http://www.beaglewiki.org/Main_Page
[06:41] <badkarma> so most everything then :-P
[06:41] <tkiesel> brb
[06:41] <bob2> woodwizzle: aiui, inotify in 2.6.10 was screwed, you'd need to make your own 2.6.12rc and make sure your inotify user stuff was ready
[06:41] <nmorse> anyone in here get sound in UT2004?
[06:41] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[06:42] <Miks> i already know how to mount an extra hard drive...but i want it to stay mounted all the time..and i also want that all the users have write access to it...how can i do that? because everytime i want to use that drive..i have to moun tit..and only root can make changes in it
[06:42] <woodwizzle> bob2: You can compile new kernels in ubuntu?
[06:42] <bob2> woodwizzle: of course
[06:42] <disasm> woodwizzle: ah, thats what find|grep is for ;-)
[06:42] <bob2> there's little point for 99% of people, tho
[06:42] <Nic> miks: it should be in ubuntuguide.org
[06:42] <psychonate> Miks, make an entry in /etc/fstab
[06:42] <nmorse> so, getting UT2004 sound working, any howto for that?
[06:43] <bob2> nmorse: 'pkill esd', try running it again
[06:43] <Miks> thanks Nic, psychonate
[06:43] <woodwizzle> disasm: yeah, but with inotify, if you make a new file after the search, beagle's search will update. Also beagle searches AIM logs, and Emails, and Webpage History and Tomboy notes...
[06:43] <nmorse> I killed every sound server running, didn't work
[06:43] <nalioth> Miks: put a line in your /etc/fstab  (google 'fstab howto' for info)
[06:43] <woodwizzle> bob2: Where do you get the source for the standard ubuntu kernel? or is it in /usr/src/linux alreadty
[06:43] <disasm> bob2: that stupid esd sneaking around... had me confused for so long when I jumped from gnome to fluxbox and tried running xmms....
[06:43] <bob2> woodwizzle: inotify support will only make it faster, not do anything new
[06:43] <thoreauputic> bob2: I hope breezy is deep-sixing esd - can you confirm or deny?
[06:43] <bob2> disasm: hehe
[06:43] <nalioth> woodwizzle: why would ubuntu linux be different than others?
[06:44] <bob2> thoreauputic: hrm, I think the plan is polypaudio, then just alsa+dmix in breezy+1
[06:44] <woodwizzle> nalioth, I dunno, everything just seems so neat and tidy and prepackaged. I came from gentoo where I had to do it all myself
[06:44] <thoreauputic> disasm: I have esd permanently gagged here :)
[06:44] <HrdwrBoB> alsa+dmix will be welcome
[06:44] <bob2> woodwizzle: well, as I said, I think inotify in 2.6.10 is screwed, so you'd need to go to 2.6.12 or something, so you'd have to get it from kernel.org...
[06:44] <thoreauputic> bob2: alsa + dmix is working here ...
[06:45] <ws004> mail.yahoo.com
[06:45] <Teknoenie> anyone good with web design available to answer a totally off-topic question for a fellow Ubuntu user
[06:45] <woodwizzle> bob2 ah i c. What about breezy?? do the breezy kernels have inotify?
[06:45] <Teknoenie> pwease :)
[06:45] <nalioth> woodwizzle: linux is linux, no matter how fancy it appears
[06:45] <bob2> woodwizzle: breezy kernels are still screwed, aiui
[06:45] <disasm> bob2: personally, i would kinda like to see jack become the standard, allowing multiple apps to connect to the same sound server, but most apps just don't take advantage of it yet (mostly only used in recording situations right now)
[06:46] <sproingie> isn't the whole point of a mixer to let multiple apps connect to the sound server?
[06:46] <bob2> disasm: well, dmix is even simpler than that, but has issues with some cards
[06:46] <thoreauputic> disasm: jackd is kinda temperamental here ( but I've only played with it)
[06:46] <bob2> sproingie: s/mixer/sound server/, yea
[06:46] <nalioth> Teknoenie: pwease what is yer ??
[06:47] <shido> speaking of mixers, how do I get more than jut my 2 front speakers to play sound ?
[06:47] <woodwizzle> bummer, guess I'll just wait :)
[06:47] <Teknoenie> it's about implementing a feature
[06:47] <disasm> bob2: dmix, going to have to play with that some, whats its issue with cards? not alsa supported?
[06:47] <sproingie> i see the sound server as being the more friendly front-end to /dev/mixer
[06:47] <sproingie> am i mistaken in this?
[06:47] <bob2> disasm: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[06:47] <bob2> sproingie: yes
[06:47] <bob2> sproingie: /dev/mixer is the device node used to alter volumes/balances/etc
[06:48] <sproingie> so it doesn't actually mix
[06:48] <bob2> sproingie: a sound server mixes various sound streams and dumps them to /dev/dsp or /dev/snd/pcmX
[06:48] <nmorse> is there a HOWTO on commercial games somewhere?
[06:48] <sproingie> so /dev/mixer doesn't mix
[06:48] <sproingie> what a retarded name
[06:48] <bob2> sproingie: er
[06:48] <bob2> a) CoC
[06:48] <bob2> b) it's mixing in the sense of altering volumes
[06:48] <Teknoenie> nmorse, in what context
[06:48] <bob2> which is confusing but valid
[06:48] <nmorse> How to get them to run
[06:48] <tkiesel> I replaced my ancient Sound Blaster Live with an M-Audio Delta 410 last night. ESD had some complaints.  I can't seem to get both ESD and ALSA to simultaneously be happy, but oh well. ;)
[06:48] <thoreauputic> !conduct
[06:48] <ubotu> [conduct]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/document_view
[06:49] <Xnalz> hmmm i have been installing ubuntu for about an hour now and the screen  turned black with one underscore just sitting at the top left of the screen, is this supposed to happen?
[06:49] <nmorse> Like, say, getting sound to work in Neverwinter Nights and getting UT2004's sound to work
[06:49] <bob2> tkiesel: sblive is probably the easiest card to use with linux
[06:49] <bob2> nmorse: did you kill esd?
[06:49] <nmorse> Yeah
[06:49] <tkiesel> Xnalz: Install shouldn't take a whole hour.. at least.. I think not.
[06:49] <nmorse> though I'm technically in KDE, so I killed artsd too
[06:49] <bob2> ok
[06:49] <nmorse> I wonder if it's using the wrong sound card?
[06:50] <nmorse> It should be using my SB Live! not my integrated nForce
[06:50] <bob2> tkiesel: since they do hardware mixing, so you can just get all your apps to use it directly, and not have to worry about esd, etc
[06:50] <tkiesel> bob2: I'm sure it is, which is good. My wife and I are making a comp for a friend in need with spare parts.  Putting Ubuntu on it. :)  He's got zero linux experience, but I'm confident he'll have a ball with it.
[06:50] <Xnalz> tkiesel: but it is just sitting there, can't hear it writting data any more, should I reboot
[06:50] <bob2> tkiesel: ah
[06:51] <tkiesel> bob2: And I'm going to have lots of fun with the M-Audio, Ardour and Audacity. :)  After a few minutes of fiddling last night, I think everything is working to my satisfaction. :)
[06:51] <tkiesel> Xnalz: Yeah, you might need to.  Did you burn the CD you're installing from?
[06:52] <Xnalz> yes
[06:52] <bob2> tkiesel: hah, yay
[06:52] <ingo> hey, i got this problem with sound. It works with flash/java in mozilla but otherwise i get "ALSA device "default" does not exist" when i try to open a audio/video file. anybody have a clue how to sort it out?
[06:52] <rixth> Is there anyway to convert a vfat partition o ext3 (or 2) without losing the data?
[06:52] <disasm> thoreauputic: i think SLicE_ gave up or got it working
[06:52] <tkiesel> Xnalz: Did you burn it at the highest speed your burner can use? I had issues with burning install discs at high speed. Causing errors I think.
[06:52] <nmorse> okay, where's the alsa config file in Ubuntu?
[06:53] <thoreauputic> disasm: I hope the latter, but fear the former may be true
[06:53] <stargirl> hey people
[06:53] <ingo> ?
[06:53] <Xnalz> tkiesel: not sure burned at default speed
[06:53] <tkiesel> Hiya ingo, petitohaime, Rockett and stargirl.
[06:53] <stargirl> I've got a question about usb ethernet and kaweth
[06:53] <ingo> hi
[06:53] <bob2> rixth: no
[06:53] <Xnalz> tkiseel: rebooted  and it looks liek it is back to reinstalling the whole thing again *takes a nap*
[06:54] <psychonate> Anyone use an onboard intel video adapter?
[06:54] <rixth> bob2, as I though.t
[06:54] <stargirl> so I just installed ubuntu on a sony C1VN (C1VE in europe) and I've got a USB ethernet device I wish to use
[06:54] <psychonate> Should this use the generica "vga" driver?
[06:54] <disasm> thoreauputic: same here
[06:54] <tkiesel> Xnalz: Hmmm. If you restart the install, and hit escape while it's asking you questions about your setup, you'll get a menu. You can scroll down, and near the bottom, there'll be a menu item for testing the install disc. It'll check to see if the disc is error-free.
[06:54] <psychonate> s/generica/generic
[06:54] <stargirl> the problem is that dmesg says stuff abotu kaweth.c error triggering firmware -- does anyone have any ideas as to what to do?
[06:55] <thoreauputic> disasm: I used to recommend the ubuntuguide: I no longer do for these kinds of reasons
[06:55] <disasm> stargirl: whats the chipset?
[06:55] <tkiesel> Xnalz: That was the only problem I had with installing Ubuntu.. I had errors on the disc, so I made sure to burn the disc sloooww.  2x or 3x.  That seemed to fix it.
[06:55] <stargirl> disasm: hold on...
[06:56] <Xnalz> okies, thank yas
[06:56] <tkiesel> Xnalz: No problem. :)  I hope that that solves your issue. Welcome to Ubuntu!
[06:56] <ingo> i dont get this...sound works in mozilla but not with totem
[06:56] <disasm> stargirl: if it helps the two i've come across most is rtl8150 and pegasus
[06:56] <tkiesel> ingo: Both simultaneously?
[06:56] <stargirl> disasm: (I'm googling -- it's a netgear EA 101, but I dunno offhand what chipset that is)
[06:57] <ingo> tkiesel, no
[06:57] <tkiesel> ingo: Hrrrrrm.
[06:57] <ingo> when i try to use totem, i get "ALSA device "default" does not exist."
[06:57] <disasm> stargirl: whats lspci -v read? and is it showing in ifconfig -a?
[06:57] <tkiesel> ingo: Are you wanting to use ESD?
[06:58] <ingo> hmm
[06:58] <disasm> netgear ea-101 i think thats the 10base ones we have laying around at work somewhere...
[06:58] <ingo> yes
[06:58] <ingo> i want to use ESD if possible at all
[06:58] <tkiesel> ingo: I've been spending a lot of time in System->Preferences->Multimedia Systems Selector in the last 48 hours to play with my sound.
[06:59] <thoreauputic> does anyone here actually *like* the Konversation IRC client (loaded question I guess....)
[06:59] <tkiesel> I think Totem might grab which sound daemon to use from that selector.
[06:59] <tkiesel> I... think.  lol
[06:59] <ingo> i got an error msg when i clicked test, "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'ESD - Enlightenment Sound Daemon'"
[06:59] <disasm> stargirl: oh, im a moron, kaweth is a kernel driver ;-)
[07:00] <tkiesel> But the Alsa test works?
[07:00] <ingo> none of them work
[07:00] <ingo> Alsa, OSD, ESD...
[07:00] <stargirl> disasm: I'm a moron too apparently -- I unplugged the device, plugged it in again and no it all works
[07:00] <tkiesel> thoreauputic: Never used it, so I've got no opinion. :)
[07:00] <stargirl> no clue why :-)
[07:00] <ingo> they all give me the same error msg
[07:00] <stargirl> but I'm glad it's fixed ;-)
[07:01] <tkiesel> ingo:  Icky.  Hrrrm.,  Well, that's well and truly out of my league.  Sound on Linux is pretty much my tops learnign priority now, but as of yet, I know precious little.
[07:01] <ingo> oh well
[07:01] <disasm> stargirl: well, glad its working for you, thats what i was going to suggest next actually ;-)
[07:02] <ingo> i guess i'll have to look some more into it
[07:02] <mhz> bye you all
[07:02] <tkiesel> Good night, mhz.
[07:02] <thoreauputic> tkiesel: I didn't stay in Konversation for long... I just took one look and ran *g*
[07:02] <ingo> i'm a windows user myself
[07:02] <tkiesel> thoreauputic: Heehee.
[07:02] <ingo> just want to break free from M$
[07:02] <Eighth> my hoary box keeps locking up :/
[07:02] <disasm> tkiesel: the advantage to irssi is you don't have to be running linux to use it, just ssh from any os that has an ssh client (carry putty on a usb stick)
[07:03] <tkiesel> My wife still uses Windows. She tried switching to Ubuntu last weekend, and couldn't.  Photoshop in Wine was unusable for her, and that's her main deal-breaker app.
[07:03] <dtorg29> Hey i am looking for some different fonts i have looked on gnome-look.org and nothing, does anyone know any where i would be able to find any? thanks
[07:03] <disasm> ingo: the well known ancient linux audio test... cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp if you here static, your sound works...
[07:04] <ingo> oooh
[07:04] <thoreauputic> tkiesel: I've heard Photoshop 7 (number?) works with Crossover Office
[07:04] <tkiesel> disasm: That sounds pretty nice.  I learned the power and wonderfulness of SSH last week when my wife and I were setting up the webserver at the school district I teach at.  Now our webserver runs Ubuntu. *le grin*
[07:04] <thoreauputic> tkiesel: but that's totally anectdotal...
[07:05] <Xnalz> tkiesel: if there is a problem will it just stop at one point at the disc and keep spinning and sound like its aobut to overheat?
[07:05] <disasm> tkiesel: isn't funny how what you use at home ends up being what infiltrates your workplace and friends houses ;-)
[07:05] <Xnalz> with the disc scan I mena
[07:05] <Xnalz> *mean
[07:05] <tkiesel> thoreauputic: It does. That's what she was using.  But, according to a cxoffice dev I talked to here in IRC, a conflict between Windows-style scheduling and Linux-stle scheduling is responsible for laggy performance of the brushes. it made fine detail work impossible for her.  That's what did it.
[07:05] <disasm> s/isn't/isn't it
[07:05] <sproingie> disasm: it's exactly how windows succeeded
[07:05] <ingo> disasm, i get "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp"
[07:05] <ingo> doh..
[07:06] <nalioth> tkiesel: you might install gimpshop for your other
[07:06] <thoreauputic> tkiesel: ah, i see - what a shame :/
[07:06] <tkiesel> Xnalz: I'm honestly not sure. But it seemign to totally freeze is a pretty good sign that something went wrong. :(
[07:06] <ingo> disasm, i get "bash: /dev/dsp: No such device"
[07:06] <nalioth> dtorg29: any ttf font will work here
[07:06] <ingo> what am i doing wrong?
[07:06] <disasm> ingo: what sound card?
[07:06] <ingo> soundblaster live
[07:07] <Eighth> anyone hear of a fairly fresh install randomly freezing for no apparent reason?
[07:07] <disasm> type lsmod|grep emu
[07:07] <disasm> ingo: ^^
[07:07] <nalioth> Eighth: is your hardware in good health?
[07:07] <Eighth> absolutely
[07:07] <QMario> How do I change the permissions of a certain file that can only be changed by root?
[07:07] <tkiesel> disasm: Yeah, that's true. In this case, our district tech director is moving on to another job, and wanted me to be in charge of the webserver, so I got to put what I wanted. Debian Woody was a little old to run the Mambo site my wife is developing, so on Ubuntu went!
[07:07] <dtorg29> nalioth: Actually i am looking for a site, I am looking for fonts i can use on my desktop something different and unique..
[07:07] <ingo> snd_emu10k1
[07:07] <nin> brb!!
[07:07] <nalioth> qmario prepend your command with "sudo"
[07:08] <thoreauputic> QMario: sudo chmod  xxx <file>
[07:08] <tkiesel> nalioth: Yeah, I've been looking into Gimpshop, but she has a lot invested in plugins.. and the lion's share of them are in a format that Gimp doesn't read.
[07:08] <thoreauputic> where xxx are numbers...
[07:08] <disasm> ingo: that should be right... what happens if you run alsamixer?
[07:08] <ingo> it comes up
[07:08] <disasm> tkiesel: is gimpshop different than gimp, or just a name?
[07:08] <ingo> Card: USB Device 0x46d:0x8a2
[07:09] <disasm> and it says emu10k1?
[07:09] <thoreauputic> disasm: the interface is cloned on photoshop I believe
[07:09] <tkiesel> disasm: It's a config-hacked Gimp, to make it work more like Photoshop.. menus, etc.
[07:09] <ingo> it says "Card: USB Device 0x46d:0x8a2" and "Chip: USB Mixer"
[07:09] <disasm> ah... never seen it before
[07:10] <Xnalz> tkiesel: sorry to bother ya again, just scanned it and it said the cd was fine...?
[07:10] <disasm> tkiesel: is it in ubuntu?
[07:10] <tkiesel> Yeah. Like Thor said: interface.  Though, it still has a proliferation of separate windows that makes Gimp feel like it wastes too much screen space.  Ugh.
[07:10] <disasm> ingo: lsmod|grep snd
[07:11] <ingo> okey, what am i looking for there?
[07:11] <disasm> ingo: what other snd stuff there is
[07:11] <disasm> usb makes me wonder if you have other cards
[07:11] <ingo> there is a built-in card in the mobo
[07:11] <disasm> ingo: cause i assumed alsamixer would say emu10k1
[07:12] <nalioth> disasm: gimpshop has been remade to look (pulldowns, labels) like photoshop
[07:12] <tkiesel> Xnalz: Well, if it said that, and it freezes on install at the same point every time, you'll have to find someone more knowledgable than me. One thing I did to verify that my burned copy was good was to rip an ISO image off of the disc... take an md5 sum of that ISO, and compare to the MD5 of the iso I'd burned from.  If they matched, the burn was absolutely perfect.
[07:12] <disasm> nalioth: is it in ubuntu, i did apt-cache search gimp|grep shop with no result
[07:12] <tkiesel> disasm: I don't think it's in any of the repos, no.  I never really installed it, just grepped screenshots.
[07:12] <ingo> the sb live card i'm using is pci and there is a built in card wich i dont remember what its called
[07:12] <Xnalz> tkiesel: will do ty
[07:13] <nalioth> disasm: it has to be compiled from source, but it compile cleanly
[07:13] <thoreauputic> disasm: no I don't think it's in Ubuntu
[07:13] <nalioth> disasm: google "gimpshop"
[07:13] <tkiesel> Xnalz: Sorry that it's been an ordeal. It was for me too, but when I finally got it installed.. I never looked back, and I totally switched to Ubuntu from Windows. :)
[07:14] <disasm> ok, i might check it out for my sisters machine, she uses photoshop at school, and she complained gimp doesn't look like photoshop when I gave her a free linux computer (currently running xandros, but since i found ubuntu is so slick and user friendly, that'll be changing)
[07:14] <nootrope> hiya. anyone know if the Debian version of Privoxy will run okay on Ubuntu?
[07:14] <tkiesel> disasm: The primary UI difference between the two remains.
[07:15] <imaek> How can I tell if a) I have the kernel header files installed and b) if so, what is the path to them?>
[07:15] <tkiesel> disasm: Photoshop uses one parent window for everything, Gimp uses separate windows for everything.
[07:16] <thoreauputic> nootrope: privoxy is available in Ubuntu - Universe repository
[07:16] <humbraro> does anybody here have experience with loopback-encrypted filesystems?
[07:16] <nootrope> thoreauputic: thanks! din't know...
[07:16] <tkiesel> nootrope: I don't know, but I've installed a fair amount of Debian stuff here and there with no issues so far. The most you risk is having to use dpkg to purge it if it doesn't work.
[07:16] <humbraro> i'd like to know if you can set one up in a file, and not eat up an entire partition
[07:16] <foodcoman> Loopback.  Saw a wiki somewhere
[07:16] <humbraro> foodcoman: reading the wiki now
[07:16] <thoreauputic> nootrope: you're welcome :)
[07:18] <foodcoman> humbraro: that was what I saw.  I havent tried it yet.
[07:18] <foodcoman> humbraro: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/EncryptedFilesystemHowto
[07:18] <imaek> How can I tell the path to my kernel header files?
[07:18] <humbraro> foodcoman: ya, i'm reading that page, but i don't have a spare partition lying around to nuke for the vault
[07:19] <humbraro> hmm, maybe i should install a seperate drive
[07:20] <Razor-X> Windows needs a friggin CLI MP3 player
[07:20] <Razor-X> gah, Linux has spoiled me
[07:20] <Razor-X> to come back to..... Windows.... feels so... nasty
[07:21] <SLicE_> disasm, I got lost but my question simply is, I had a backup of my normal sources list and I have the gentoo list you sent me which one do I use?
[07:21] <disasm> tkiesel: personally, i think the multiple windows is more functional, you can have them in separate workspaces in fluxbox, and only see what you want, more customizeable, but i guess no workspaces in windows (without bb4win that is)
[07:21] <disasm> SLicE_: the gentoo list?
[07:21] <nootrope> thoreauputic: know anything about Tor?
[07:21] <SLicE_> disasm, my mistake http://irc.gentux.org:8000/sources.list
[07:21] <disasm> SLicE_: oh, gentux, make sure you backup your old, put my sources.list in /etc/apt then do apt-get update
[07:22] <SLicE_> gotcha
[07:22] <disasm> then try apt-get install mozilla-firefox and see what happens
[07:22] <SLicE_> disasm, thanks I'll update in a sec
[07:22] <thoreauputic> nootrope: no, sorry
[07:22] <nalioth> Razor-X: cygwin + mpg123 ?
[07:22] <humbraro> tkiesel: i recall seeing a patch for the gimp which made it look more like photoshop, but i think its only for the windoze version
[07:23] <tkiesel> disasm:Yeah. Ultimately, it comes down to user preference. If the Gimp devs manage to make that behavior user selectable, so that both preference camps can have it their way.. and if they can get compativbility going for more PS plugin formats, my wife'll switch and go GNU/Linux without looking back.
[07:23] <thoreauputic> disasm: he didn't give up after all :)
[07:23] <nalioth> humbraro: tkiesel it's called gimpshop, and compiles cleanly on ubuntu
[07:23] <tkiesel> humbraro: I looked into it. It went part of the way in looks, but doesn't change the window/UI behavior.
[07:24] <nootrope> thoreauputic: it's an onion skin client/server, works with privoxy. check tor.eff.org if curious.
[07:24] <thoreauputic> nootrope: OK thanks :)
[07:24] <humbraro> cool
[07:24] <nootrope> thoreauputic: g'nite!
[07:24] <Razor-X> nalioth: I was thinking about that
[07:25] <Razor-X> there's already a native mp123 build out for Windows (by Japanese people) though
[07:25] <Razor-X> I was wondering if it was possible to run cplay using it
[07:25] <Razor-X> or mcplay
[07:25] <imaek> How can I download an apt-get package so that I can burn it for a friend without internet?
[07:25] <dr_willis> i think i saw that  mentioned on the ubuntu faq's somewhere imaek
[07:25] <thoreauputic> imaek: use the -d flag for apt-get
[07:25] <dr_willis> i skimmed them the otehr day. :P
[07:26] <thoreauputic> imaek: for "download only"
[07:26] <dr_willis> but how will apt-get know whats on his system?
[07:26] <dr_willis> there could be some dependencies eh?
[07:26] <thoreauputic> dr_willis: this is true
[07:26] <thoreauputic> imaek: it may not be that simple, unfortunately
[07:27] <imaek> hrm...
[07:27] <tkiesel> Be sure. Get all of the dependancies too, and take them as well.
[07:27] <foodcoman> I have a buddy in the same boat as imaek's!
[07:27] <thoreauputic> imaek: an "apt-get package" usually is actually a bunch of packages
[07:27] <nickrud> sorry to butt in, but apt-get download -d works for dependencies (I did this for a long time on dialup)
[07:27] <imaek> thoreauputic: this is only one (linux-kernel-headers
[07:28] <thoreauputic> imaek: ah, that should be OK as long as you get the *exact* version
[07:28] <imaek> nevermind
[07:28] <SLicE_> disasm, I did everything up to apt-get update and I don't have any crazy repository list anymore
[07:28] <SLicE_> the nerim stuff is gone
[07:28] <imaek> i found a mirror: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/devel/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[07:29] <nobile> why oh why do I still have windows?
[07:29] <imaek> Thanks, though, thoreauputic.
[07:29] <thoreauputic> imaek: OK :)
[07:30] <nickrud> if i remember correctly, /var/log/aptitude shows what was downloaded, but not installed
[07:30] <SLicE_> disasm, what order do I go in for clean purge and install
[07:31] <disasm> SLicE_: apt-get --purge remove mozilla-firefox &&  apt-get clean && apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[07:33] <nickrud> and I was very suprised when I read the sarge release notes :)
[07:34] <WhiteRabbit> nickrud, about the security mixup lol
[07:34] <SLicE_> disasm, looked like it worked.    I didn't even know where my sources list was ;-)
[07:36] <thoreauputic> *grin*
[07:37] <disasm> SLicE_: however, i like xfce4 too, it's pretty good ;-)
[07:37] <disasm> thoreauputic: you use flux?
[07:37] <thoreauputic> disasm: indeed - i compiled my own :)
[07:37] <SLicE_> so its not really possible to run xfce4 standalone?
[07:37] <disasm> sweet ;-) what new features are worth compiling? *contemplates rolling his own*
[07:38] <pepsi_> what's needed to get x to start in breezy?
[07:38] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: sure it is - but don't try it now...
[07:38] <SLicE_> thoreauputic, not even slightly, as long as firefox pops back up on my gnome menu I'm gonna be ok
[07:38] <SLicE_> I LOVE linux!
[07:38] <SLicE_> more than a friend!
[07:38] <thoreauputic> SLicE_: it should be fine now
[07:39] <nalioth> SLicE_: what to you mean standalone/
[07:39] <disasm> SLicE_: just wait till you get comfortable with all the file locations and understand the system a little better ;-)
[07:39] <thoreauputic> pepsi_: much guruness...
[07:39] <disasm> nalioth: i think he means no gdm, not sure though
[07:39] <imaek> When I have a "linux-headers-[version] " package installed, where does it place the linux headers?
[07:39] <SLicE_> disasm, believe me I will.  I better learn gnome first
[07:39] <SLicE_> nalioth, I just wanted it without the gnome involved
[07:40] <thoreauputic> imaek: dpkg -L <package> to see file locations
[07:40] <disasm> SLicE_: if you learn more than how to use the menu and desktop, you probly no more than i ever did about gnome ;-)
[07:40] <nalioth> SLicE_: so use the "K desktop Manager" or kdm
[07:40] <SLicE_> nalioth, small clean system just ubuntu and xfce4.  But I can wait til I am more knowledgable
[07:40] <nalioth> SLicE_: the "gnome desktop mangager" isnt "gnome"
[07:40] <imaek> Thanks... again(!) thoreauputic.
[07:41] <thoreauputic> imaek: no worries :)
[07:41] <disasm> SLicE_: xdm would work because that read your .xinitrc i believe, but thats a project for another day ;-)
[07:41] <Amaranth> KarlosII: what do you mean by that?
[07:41] <Amaranth> KarlosII: They can't ship things that are illegal.
[07:41] <SLicE_> nalioth, whats the difference?
[07:42] <disasm> SLicE_: gdm is the login screen gnome is the desktop
[07:42] <nalioth> SLicE_: not enough to discuss, they both offer similar experience
[07:42] <SLicE_> disasm, when I go under sessions I still have some sessions that I removed such as xfce4 and icewm, and e17(which never got installed)
[07:42] <disasm> SLicE_: i still haven't gotten rid of gdm, i like having the options to choose from (kdm has it too i believe)
[07:43] <SLicE_> disasm, I get it
[07:43] <SLicE_> its just like lilo
[07:43] <Amaranth> KarlosII: ?
[07:43] <SLicE_> you can choose your flavor
[07:43] <KarlosII> no but, it seems like no matter what multimedia player I install it doesn't work well on hoary. basically I want have one multimedia player that will play all video/audio files and work well as a embedded player in firefox on a hoary/breezy distro
[07:43] <disasm> yeah, sorta i guess
[07:43] <pepsi_> thoreauputic, i heard there was a way around it, a quick fix :)
[07:43] <KarlosII> and all I need to do is add the codecs
[07:43] <Amaranth> KarlosII: Ah, you want totem then. :)
[07:43] <disasm> KarlosII: mplayer/mplayerplug-in
[07:44] <KarlosII> mplayer mplayer plugin don't work on this: javascript:playVideo('mms://ctvbroadcast.ctv.ca/video/2005/06/08/ctvvideologger1_143kbps_2005_06_08_1118281192.wmv', 'mms://ctvbroadcast.ctv.ca/video/2005/06/08/ctvvideologger1_45kbps_2005_06_08_1118281271.wmv', '00:04:38.87', '00:02:53.17', 'CTV News: David Akin explains the proposed changes', 'CTVNews', 'filesharing_laws_050608', '20050608','ctvnews.20050608.00102000-00102233-clip2', 'Top
[07:44] <KarlosII> Stories');
[07:44] <thoreauputic> pepsi_: umm - I'm not risking Breezy for a while... someone else might know
[07:44] <SLicE_> anyway thanks again disasm and thoreauputic you guys were an extraordinary amount of help.  But now I'm gonna watch anchorman and go to bed
[07:44] <disasm> KarlosII: thats the only one i know that acts as a plugin for firefox, and mplayer handles everything except dvd menus
[07:44] <Amaranth> KarlosII: totem-gstreamer with the mozilla plugin + gstreamer-pitfdll == if it doesn't play something, there must be something wrong with the source
[07:44] <SLicE_> you stay classy san diego
[07:44] <KarlosII> www.ctv.ca any video files there
[07:44] <thoreauputic> KarlosII: you should know better...
[07:44] <KarlosII> hmm
[07:45] <KarlosII> what oh the long single line?
[07:45] <Amaranth> pepsi_: You installed breezy after all the warnings and what broke?
[07:45] <thoreauputic> KarlosII: 6 lines here... :/
[07:45] <KarlosII> hmm
[07:45] <KarlosII> 2 lines here
[07:45] <KarlosII> :)
[07:45] <KarlosII> sry
[07:45] <thoreauputic> OK :)
[07:45] <pepsi_> Amaranth, i was fully aware that it was broken before installing it
[07:45] <SLicE_> later all
[07:45] <Amaranth> pepsi_: what broke?
[07:46] <pepsi_> x wont start, as has been the problem for the past month
[07:46] <pepsi_> why are you laughing?
[07:46] <Amaranth> i have hacks on top of hacks on top of hacks to make X work, and i don't even remember them
[07:46] <Seveas> Amaranth, lol :)
[07:46] <disasm> KarlosII: mplayer -playlist mms://ctvbroadcast.ctv.ca/video/2005/06/08/ctvvideologger1_143kbps_2005_06_08_1118281192.wmv
[07:47] <pepsi_> Amaranth, ive installed breezy before, as well.. decided to try it again
[07:47] <Seveas> jdub, around..?
[07:47] <nalioth> pepsi_: is a masochist
[07:47] <KarlosII> disasm, uhh
[07:47] <tkiesel> Properly commenting your code is a must. ;) *said as if I actually do that..*
[07:48] <KarlosII> be nice if I just click on it and it worked
[07:48] <Amaranth> pepsi_: I had to symlink fonts, some xkbcomp stuff, a crap load of binaries from /usr/X11R6/bin/ to /usr/bin (or vice-versa), and probably some other things
[07:48] <disasm> KarlosII: yeah, i know, i just figured i'd tell you what was needed for it to work right
[07:48] <Amaranth> KarlosII: The totem mozilla plugin isn't in hoary.
[07:48] <KarlosII> Amaranth, where do I find it for ff?
[07:49] <Amaranth> KarlosII: It's in breezy.
[07:49] <Amaranth> KarlosII: You'll have to wait for breezy to stabilize.
[07:49] <KarlosII> oh
[07:50] <Amaranth> KarlosII: Do _not_ upgrade. Read a couple of pepsi_'s last lines to see why.
[07:50] <tkiesel> There are a few nice media-through-firefox HOWTOs on the forums.
[07:51] <KarlosII> Amaranth, heh
[07:51] <KarlosII> next sept :)
[07:51] <nalioth> KarlosII: wait til it says "release candidate" in breezys version number
[07:51] <Amaranth> nalioth: That's like 2 weeks before breezy ships
[07:51] <nalioth> Amaranth: and so there shouldnt be too many problems, eh?
[07:52] <KarlosII> Nakkel, heh
[07:52] <KarlosII> err nalioth
[07:52] <KarlosII> Amaranth, only 2 weeks?
[07:52] <Amaranth> KarlosII: somewhere around there
[07:52] <KarlosII> kOol I can wait :)
[07:53] <Amaranth> not two weeks from now
[07:53] <KarlosII> about
[07:53] <Amaranth> the release candidate comes out two weeks before breezy releases
[07:53] <disasm> i should get on the devel mailing list and put breezy on my desktop just been too lazy lately (and freevo isn't in ubuntu...) maybe i'll dual boot it with gentoo...
[07:53] <KarlosII> oh
[07:53] <KarlosII> :)
[07:53] <KarlosII> disasm, get another comp
[07:54] <disasm> KarlosII: i dont care that much about my desktop, my laptop is my primary machine, all my laptop does is run freevo for watching movies and playing nes/snes roms, nothing a simple reboot can't remedy...
[07:56] <synd> is breezy going to be much different?
[07:56] <KarlosII> I hope so :)
[07:57] <Avinoam> Whenever I try to connect to the internet with my cable modem, the DHCP request fails. Why?
[07:57] <nalioth> synd: isnt it past your bedtime :P
[07:57] <synd> no!
[07:58] <Xnalz> there are such a things a win loyalist?
[07:58] <nalioth> synd: so you're awake for that? (takes little effort)
[07:58] <synd> Xnalz: apparently so
[07:59] <Xabbu|> sure does, but why do it? Mac isn't that good.
[07:59] <Avinoam> can everyone hear me?
[07:59] <synd> nalioth: some win users are just down right ignorant
[07:59] <KarlosII> Avinoam, no
[07:59] <Xnalz> synd: wow, only with win casue I can't get ubuntu to install and mac too rich for my blood
[07:59] <Avinoam> Whenever I try to log onto the internet with my cable modem, the DHCP request fails
[07:59] <KarlosII> I can't HEAR you
[07:59] <synd> Xabbu|: i beg your pardon : )
[07:59] <kdawg> where are the steps to install realplayer?
[07:59] <Xabbu|> synd, I have never liked mac...
[07:59] <Avinoam> kdawg download it from the website
[08:00] <synd> Xabbu|: its okay
[08:00] <Avinoam> Even when i try ifup eth0 the dhcp fails
[08:00] <disasm> Avinoam: ok, is the mac flushed from the cable modem? can you access the cable modems interface? what type of cable modem do you have?
[08:00] <Xabbu|> I have to say I have never liked windows either..
[08:01] <nalioth> Xnalz: $499 is too much?
[08:01] <Avinoam> disasm I can get to the website where we download dialup scripts for my ISP
[08:01] <shawarma> Avinoam: Have you tried checking with your ISP?
[08:01] <kdawg> Avinoam, I'm there....just about to check out the install instructions. The realplayer deb is for rp8
[08:01] <synd> nalioth: and you can say you goto school and get an even greater discount :X
[08:01] <synd> nalioth: or get it off amazone
[08:01] <synd> amazon
[08:01] <Xnalz> nalioth: mac mini? if soo $499 is a lot for a cool screen saver
[08:01] <Avinoam> shawarma where are you at?
[08:01] <shawarma> Avinoam: Denmark
[08:02] <nalioth> Xnalz: the mac mini is a lot of puter for $499
[08:02] <Avinoam> kdawg i know there is a newer one, i DLed
[08:02] <synd> Xnalz: the iLife 05 suite makes the mac mini worth every cent. thats besides its micro form factor
[08:02] <Avinoam> I don't think it's my ISP, it was working till last night
[08:03] <shawarma> Avinoam: So? Have you tried from another machine?
[08:03] <Xnalz> hmm might have to play around with it some more, at first meeting I wasn't too impressed
[08:03] <Avinoam> shawarma i don't have another machine where i am
[08:03] <Fonz> can someone help me get Limewire working?
[08:04] <Xnalz> what theeee hell
[08:04] <Avinoam> fonz go to www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:04] <Fonz> i did.
[08:04] <shawarma> Avinoam: Have anything changed since yesterday when it worked?
[08:04] <Fonz> i followed the instructions
[08:04] <Xnalz> my install messed up again
[08:04] <shawarma> Avinoam: Anything at all?
[08:04] <disasm> Avinoam: if you can access your isp's intranet its your isp
[08:04] <Avinoam> shawarma no nothing has changed
[08:04] <nalioth> Fonz: sure, use gtk-gnutella instead
[08:04] <Fonz> ok
[08:04] <Fonz> thanks
[08:04] <Xnalz> was installing and now just got a plain black screen, keyboard not responding
[08:05] <Xnalz> no error message or anything
[08:05] <Avinoam> i get an error about no DHCP candidate or something like that
[08:05] <synd> Fonz: limewire is junk, imho
[08:05] <Xnalz> checked the disc and the burn was valid
[08:06] <WhiteRabbit> synd, whats better than limewire then
[08:06] <synd> WhiteRabbit: gtk-gnutella
[08:06] <Avinoam> i don't like gnutella
[08:06] <WhiteRabbit> synd, the one the riaa is really watching ah
[08:06] <Avinoam> i get more search hits with limewir
[08:06] <synd> WhiteRabbit: youre worred about the RIAA?
[08:06] <synd> ha!
[08:06] <imaek> Oh man
[08:06] <imaek> winmodems are so difficult :(
[08:07] <synd> WhiteRabbit: LimeWire runs on the Gnutella network, by the way
[08:07] <imaek> I have been troubleshooting this winmodem for over three hours how.
[08:07] <imaek> now*
[08:07] <synd> WhiteRabbit: as does gtk-gnutella, obviously
[08:07] <WhiteRabbit> synd, DC++ puts those to shame imho
[08:07] <synd> i have no exp with DC++
[08:07] <disasm> Avinoam: what error are you getting exactly?
[08:08] <WhiteRabbit> synd, over 2 petabyte atm to
[08:08] <Avinoam> disasm i'm at work so i can't check exactly, but basically, it searches for a DHCP for a while and then quits
[08:09] <Miks> i was trying to compile mplayer....i did the "./configure" and then "make" ...and it was doing something and then i didnt know what to do...and i closed the terminal...did i mess up something really bad?
[08:09] <nalioth> Miks: not at all
[08:09] <Miks> cool!
[08:10] <nalioth> Miks: may i suggest ubuntulinux.org/wiki/  there is a section on compiling software
[08:10] <Miks> thanks nalioth
[08:10] <synd> WhiteRabbit: gtk-gnutella works for me. aint no use in tryin to fix somethin that aint broke
[08:10] <disasm> i can barely keep my eyes open anymore, time for sleep... gotta drive to altoona in the morning...
[08:10] <synd> either way, i prefer to download with my macs
[08:11] <Fonz> Sorry for being a noob, but how do you uninstall software in Ubuntu?
[08:11] <nalioth> disasm: sleep well
[08:11] <Miks> then i tried to install mplayer by adding some extra repositories...i added them..everything works fine...but it cant find the mplayer...i follow the instructions step by step...i guess mayb ethe server is not up or something?
[08:11] <nalioth> Fonz: use synaptic
[08:11] <disasm> didn't solve my battery script problem, but helped a few other people, so thats good too ;-)
[08:11] <Fonz> er. synaptic is giving me trouble.
[08:11] <Avinoam> wait disasm that is exactly my error
[08:11] <nalioth> Miks: could be lots of things
[08:11] <synd> Fonz: you must get the right repos
[08:11] <nalioth> Fonz: what kind of trouble?
[08:12] <Avinoam> disasm
[08:12] <Fonz> well, it says that there are 7 broken packages
[08:12] <disasm> yeah?
[08:12] <Fonz> and i try to remove them
[08:12] <Fonz> but it automatically sets stuff like the ubuntu core and ubuntu desktop to be removed as well
[08:13] <nalioth> Fonz: are teh broken pkgs keeping you from using ubuntu?
[08:13] <Fonz> nope
[08:13] <Fonz> they don't bother me
[08:14] <nalioth> Fonz: then let sleeping dogs lie
[08:14] <subterrific> Fonz: using hoary?
[08:14] <Fonz> yeah
[08:14] <Fonz> hoary.
[08:14] <subterrific> Fonz: what are the broken packages?
[08:14] <Fonz> eh, one sec
[08:15] <Fonz> aptitude, apt-utils, gxmms, libc6-dev, libc6-i686, locales, python-apt
[08:15] <subterrific> try this: sudo dpkg-reconfigure --force
[08:15] <subterrific> without synaptic running of course
[08:15] <nalioth> subterrific: why not "apt-get -f install"?
[08:16] <synd> do they both not do the same thing?
[08:16] <subterrific> nalioth: i suppose that works too
[08:16] <subterrific> synaptic i think even has a menu item that does the same thing
[08:17] <nalioth> synd: apt-get -f install tries to 'intelligently' fix the prob
[08:17] <synd> i see
[08:17] <Fonz> so i just run that command in the root terminal for each package that was broken?
[08:18] <nalioth> fonz, one or the other of those commands should fix all
[08:18] <nalioth> Fonz: broken pkgs
[08:18] <Fonz> ok.
[08:18] <Fonz> thanks
[08:18] <nalioth> Fonz: i'd try the apt-get first
[08:18] <Xnalz> ummm was installing ubuntu and I am now at the roo@ubuntu:~ # , what do i do now?
[08:19] <Fonz> i tried apt-get -f install before, but it seemed to want to remove the ubuntu core as well as synaptic.
[08:19] <tkiesel> Xnalz: That's odd. There shouldn't be a root user in Ubuntu.  Did you choose your personal user name as root?
[08:19] <nalioth> Fonz: you will always have the terminal (and apt-get)
[08:20] <disasm> ok, that was only a pre i'm going to sleep, now the real thing ;-)
[08:20] <Fonz> oh ok
[08:20] <thoreauputic> tkiesel: note the #
[08:20] <galaticos> hello. i need help. just installed Ubuntu Hoary 5.04...
[08:20] <disasm> [1057.pts-0.gentux detached.]
[08:20] <galaticos> How do i use mozilla thunderbird?
[08:20] <nalioth> galaticos: it should be in your applications menu
[08:20] <Xnalz> tkiesel: I think so not really, sure have been through this 4-5 times now
[08:21] <thoreauputic> galaticos: have you installed it?
[08:21] <galaticos> thoreauputic, how do i install it? i just did a default hoary install
[08:21] <Fonz> hey nalioth
[08:21] <galaticos> nalioth, no, it is'nt
[08:21] <tkiesel> thoreauputic: I need to learn. What's the significance of the #?
[08:21] <nalioth> galaticos: as thoreauputic asked, have you installed it?
[08:21] <thoreauputic> galaticos: go to the package manager (synaptic)
[08:21] <nalioth> Fonz: ?
[08:21] <Fonz> i did apt-get -f install, and it asks me for my hoary cd. what is this for?
[08:22] <nalioth> Fonz: it needs to get pkgs off the cd
[08:22] <thoreauputic> tkiesel: it means "you are currently root"
[08:22] <Fonz> oh ok
[08:22] <galaticos> ok
[08:22] <Fonz> thanks a bunch for your help
[08:22] <tkiesel> Well, that seems obvious by the.. ohhhhh. roo!
[08:22] <tkiesel> lmao
[08:22] <tkiesel> I saw root.
[08:23] <galaticos> How do i install kde too?
[08:23] <thoreauputic> tkiesel: I think it was a typo
[08:23] <galaticos> and xfce..
[08:23] <bob2> galaticos: why would you want all 3?
[08:23] <nalioth> galaticos: its a package called "kubuntu-desktop"
[08:23] <subterrific> bob2: to try them?
[08:23] <galaticos> bob2, maybe only xfce. my machine is old and slow
[08:23] <tkiesel> xnalz: This is after a reboot?
[08:23] <tkiesel> Or rather the reboot that's a part of the install?
[08:23] <bob2> subterrific: sure, but surely not all at once ;p
[08:24] <thoreauputic> tkiesel: he *is* in fact root >>  roo@ubuntu:~ #  << there's the give-away
[08:24] <Xnalz> tkiesel: yes
[08:24] <galaticos> it takes a long time to download and install... will set them to downlaod and go ..
[08:24] <galaticos> i'm on dialup..
[08:24] <tkiesel> Xnalz: It should've brought you right into GDM. odd.
[08:24] <galaticos> nalioth, in synaptic? i serch for kubuntu-desktop?
[08:25] <nalioth> galaticos: yes
[08:25] <Xnalz> tkiesel: was messing around and umm I logged and it says I now have mail, with the prompt :joey@ubuntu:~$
[08:25] <tkiesel> thoreauputic: Yeah.  Well, I don't know why he/she would be in the console as root after install. Do you?
[08:25] <Peps> Hi, can someone help me get my windows 2k laptop connect to my kubuntu desktop?
[08:25] <galaticos> nalioth, ok. thanks.
[08:25] <thoreauputic> tkiesel: no I don't
[08:25] <tkiesel> Xnalz: Ohh. Try typing startx
[08:25] <Peps> I have samba running, not sure what to do on the windows side?
[08:26] <galaticos> Yup, another thing :)
[08:26] <Xnalz> "X: user is not authorized to run the X server, aborting."
[08:26] <galaticos> How can i use all the fonts I have in my Windows 2000 partition?
[08:26] <bob2> galaticos: copy them to ~/.fonts/
[08:26] <bob2> that's the easiest way, anyway
[08:26] <Xnalz> no idea at what that means
[08:26] <galaticos> bob2, ok.
[08:27] <nalioth> galaticos: you can move them to your linux partition, or if you'd like to study can tell linux where to find them where they sit
[08:27] <bob2> Xnalz: when logged in over ssh?
[08:27] <galaticos> let me.
[08:27] <tkiesel> Xnalz: Beyond my current scope of expertise.
[08:27] <nalioth> Xnalz: means your x permissions are wankered
[08:27] <Peps> Hi, can someone help me get my windows 2k laptop connect to my kubuntu desktop?
[08:27] <Xnalz> sorry, total newbie with linux ni what any of that means
[08:27] <Xnalz> what should I do?
[08:28] <bob2> Xnalz: when did you get that error?
[08:28] <Xnalz> when I typed in "startx"
[08:28] <thoreauputic> Xnalz: were you prompted to reboot for the second stage of the install?
[08:28] <bob2> Xnalz: from where?
[08:28] <galaticos> Does'nt your X start all by itself?
[08:28] <Xnalz> bob2: atl,ga
[08:28] <galaticos> mine starts by default
[08:28] <nalioth> Peps: go and google "ssh tunneling vnc"
[08:28] <subterrific> Xnalz: type sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:29] <subterrific> and enter your password when promted
[08:29] <bob2> Xnalz: "alt,ga"?
[08:29] <galaticos> bob2, lol, he said atlanta georgia maybe
[08:29] <thoreauputic> bob2: geographical location *g*
[08:29] <Peps> I just want samba so I can move files around
[08:29] <galaticos> nalioth, thanks, the packages are downloading.
[08:29] <bob2> hah
[08:29] <nalioth> Peps: i know nothing of samba (since i run PPC)
[08:30] <bob2> nalioth: dude, using ppc is not a big flag
[08:30] <Xnalz> ok I got * gnome display manager not running [ok]
[08:30] <thoreauputic> trying to startx from Atlanta is a no go , apparently ... ;)
[08:30] <bob2> nalioth: I use samba on my ppc ubuntu machine
[08:30] <Xnalz> then *starting GNOME display manager... [fail]
[08:30] <bob2> Xnalz: how did you install ubuntu?
[08:30] <dr_willis> me to bob2   :)
[08:30] <nalioth> bob2: i have no winduhs machine to samba into
[08:30] <Peps> bob2: can you help?
[08:30] <bob2> nalioth: samba between ubuntu machines works fine
[08:30] <Xnalz> burned the iso, and followed the instructions
[08:31] <bob2> Peps: you want to be able to access files on your ubuntu machine from the windows one?
[08:31] <Peps> bob2: yes
[08:31] <subterrific> Xnalz: at the prompt type: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[08:31] <subterrific> and enter your password
[08:31] <bob2> Peps: install samba, edit /etc/samba/smb.conf so the work groups match, then come back
[08:31] <Peps> bob2: my 2k machine does not see the server
[08:31] <freewoody> How do I share an Internet connection in my local LAN ?
[08:32] <nalioth> bob2: i thought samba was for winduhs. i ssh/vnc tween my machines
[08:32] <bob2> freewoody: you have a /24, you just enable ip forwarding and it will work
[08:32] <galaticos> bob2, i copied the fonts.. they dont show up in the xchat font listing.. do i need to restart X?
[08:32] <bob2> nalioth: no
[08:32] <Peps> samba is running. what do you mean work groups match?
[08:32] <bob2> galaticos: you might need to restart xchat, I don't know
[08:32] <bob2> Peps: open the file I mentioned in whatever editor you normally use
[08:32] <Peps> it says MYGROUP in the control center
[08:32] <Xnalz> subterrific: it said display manager failed
[08:32] <galaticos> ok. let me try.
[08:32] <Peps> do I need to set it on the windoz side?
[08:32] <tkiesel> freewoody: The firestarter Firewall has a nice n easy GUI setup of internet connection sharing. Lets yoru comp act as a DHCP server adn gateway for your network.. share your net connection, in other words.
[08:32] <subterrific> Xnalz: try rebooting: sudo reboot
[08:33] <nalioth> bob2: i'll check into the smb thing. might be easier since there's no winduhs here to wanker it up
[08:33] <bob2> Peps: I don't know what the control center is, but if you want windows to see your samba machine, you need to set the work group correctly
[08:33] <Peps> bob2: where do I see the workgroup in windows?
[08:34] <shawarma> freewoody: Maybe you should take a look at firestarter.
[08:34] <bob2> Peps: I have no idea
[08:34] <Peps> bob2: looking at MS help ...
[08:35] <Xnalz> subterrefic: ok did that and now its umm at a blank black screen
[08:35] <Peps> bob2: my workgroup is MYGROUP on the windows side, so both match
[08:35] <nalioth> peps check out control panel>network  properties
[08:36] <bob2> Peps: cool, and the network is set up correctly?
[08:36] <Peps> Yes I can ping from windows
[08:36] <freewoody> I have 10 PCs in my LAN and 1 PC with a DSL modem. Now I want to share the Internet in my LAN. How do I go about it ?
[08:36] <bob2> freewoody: install ipmasq on the machine with the dsl modem
[08:36] <shawarma> freewoody: Take a look at firestarter.
[08:36] <bob2> freewoody: and it'd be good if you didn't ignore people answering you
[08:36] <tkiesel> freewoody: What operating system is on the PC with the DSL modem?
[08:36] <Peps> bob2: same setup with same laptop and kubuntu works
[08:36] <thoreauputic> Xnalz: I think you need to start again: something odd happened - for instance you should never have got a root prompt
[08:37] <Xnalz> thoreauputic: ok
[08:37] <galaticos> bob2, yay, thanks. restarting xchat made it see the fonts :)
[08:38] <thoreauputic> Xnalz: what hardware is this? RAM? CPU?
[08:38] <bob2> galaticos: np
[08:38] <bob2> Peps: so, you can ping the windows machine from the linux one, and vice versa?
[08:38] <_linuxAS_> morning
[08:38] <Peps> bob2: I can ping the linux from windows
[08:38] <Xnalz> thoreauputic: ram: 192mb or something odd like that. CPU= 800mhz
[08:38] <Peps> bob2: and back. just tried it
[08:39] <bob2> Peps: cool
[08:39] <thoreauputic> Xnalz: OK that should be enough
[08:39] <Peps> bob2: Now what?
[08:39] <pepsi_> hi subterrific
[08:39] <subterrific> hey pepsi_ i was just about to im you
[08:39] <thoreauputic> Xnalz: where did you read these "instructions" of which you speak ?
[08:39] <pepsi_> subterrific, i got x almost working in breezy :)
[08:39] <subterrific> heh
[08:40] <subterrific> pepsi_: you check the forums?
[08:40] <Xnalz> thoreauputic: i just meant that I whent along with the on screen prompts, looked for instruction but couldn't find any
[08:40] <subterrific> there are some threads about how to get it working
[08:40] <subterrific> i haven't switched to breezy on any of my machines yet
[08:40] <thoreauputic> Peps: isn't that sort of like saying "my girlfriend is almost pregnant ? " *G*
[08:40] <pepsi_> no... where are those at? i looked around on the wiki
[08:40] <pepsi_> im sure ive seen it before
[08:40] <subterrific> ubuntuforums.org
[08:41] <Peps> thoreauputic: not with you????
[08:42] <thoreauputic> Xnalz: there are two phases - you should be prompted to reboot after the first phase, then the rest of the install should proceed
[08:42] <Xnalz> thoreauputic: first phase was fine
[08:42] <thoreauputic> Peps: sorry that was for pepsi :)
[08:42] <Xnalz> second is when everythign whent to hell in a hand basket
[08:42] <thoreauputic> Xnalz: hmm
[08:42] <Peps> what do I need to do to get windows to see my machine? I tried "search for computers" but got nothing
[08:43] <Xnalz> thoreauputic: tried installing three times
[08:43] <subterrific> pepsi_: you done with school yet?
[08:43] <bob2> Peps: can the linux machine see the windows shares?
[08:43] <thoreauputic> Xnalz: well, it's odd - i don't know what the problem is then
[08:43] <Xnalz> thoreauputic: first time in the second stage it stoped whne it was messing with open office, same with second time
[08:43] <Peps> bob2: don't know how to check that??
[08:43] <Xnalz> third time was all crazy
[08:43] <bob2> Peps: places -> network in gnome
[08:44] <thoreauputic> Xnalz: are you sure the CD is OK ?
[08:44] <Peps> bob2: I know too little about windows, and running kubuntu ...
[08:44] <thoreauputic> Xnalz: is it a downloaded one?
[08:44] <Xnalz> thorea: scanned it and it said that it was valid
[08:44] <bob2> Peps: presumably kde has something like that
[08:44] <thoreauputic> Xnalz: md5sum OK?
[08:44] <Xnalz> thoreauputic: ni what that is
[08:45] <Peps> bob2: I don't know if my windows is set to share anything, probably not. any how how to do it?
[08:45] <bob2> Peps: right click on a folder, choose properties
[08:45] <pepsi_> subterrific, nope.. i have finals next week.. im sposed to be writing a paper for english, but im playing with breezy instead :P
[08:45] <Peps> bobt2: rebooting windows ....
[08:45] <Xnalz> thoreauputic: was told to burn at a slower speed trying a fresh install on the new disc, was burnt at 4x
[08:45] <pepsi_> x works now.. i made a bunch of links.. probably more than i needed, and then i borked my fonts, so i reinstalled xfonts-base
[08:46] <magneto> anyone else have their menu.lst hosed with the latest kernel update?
[08:46] <nalioth> magneto: havent rebooted yet from it
[08:46] <natxo> hi
[08:47] <zongzi> hi
[08:49] <Peps> bob2: so I set one folder to share from the windows side
[08:51] <Peps> I still have no idea how to try and access the windows from kubuntu?
[08:52] <galaticos> hey, the post hoary install synaptic list of updates is downloading a kernel-image.. will it install automatically, or will i have to compile it myself?
[08:52] <nalioth> galaticos: it will automajically install
[08:52] <thoreauputic> galaticos: automatically
[08:52] <galaticos> ooh nice.
[08:53] <galaticos> i have nothing to do till all these download =\ updates, and xfce and kubuntu-desktop
[08:53] <nalioth> galaticos: you need xfce4, not xfce
[08:54] <galaticos> yes, xfce4.. that's what.
[08:54] <benplaut> i'm getting 3 "serious" reports from Firestarter about port 113... anything to worry about?
[08:54] <nalioth> benplaut: not a thing
[08:54] <galaticos> 113 is identd
[08:54] <benplaut> OK
[08:54] <magneto> nalioth - do you have a custom kernel or dualboot system?
[08:54] <bob2> benplaut: ignore it, firestarter is being stupid
[08:54] <nalioth> magneto: dual boot
[08:55] <benplaut> and a few non-serious from "Sun-RPC portmap"... just a scanner?
[08:55] <bob2> the default firestarter config actually complains about things hitting the ident port?
[08:55] <nalioth> benplaut: unless you are running as 'root' you and dang nigh bulletproof here in ubuntu-land
[08:56] <thoreauputic> benplaut: if they are reported,, they have been blocked anyway
[08:56] <benplaut> OK, good :)
[08:56] <galaticos> Can i just copy my Profiles directory from thunderbird in windows, and use it in Ubuntu?
[08:56] <Xnalz> thoreauputic: how do I know if the md5sum is ok?
[08:56] <galaticos> md5sum filename
[08:56] <galaticos> and then visually check the sums
[08:57] <nalioth> galaticos: i would say yes, but ask others for confirmation (cuz i'm not totally sure)
[08:57] <Xnalz> ok, ty
[08:57] <thoreauputic> Xnalz: the md5 number should be on the server you downloaded from
[08:57] <galaticos> nalioth: ok. will try. copying about 2G of mails from the windows partition. thunderbird is'nt downloaded yet :(
[08:57] <nalioth> magneto, dja lose your train of thought?
[08:57] <Avinoam> thoreau what's up
[08:58] <magneto> nalioth - sorry watchin a movie lol -  u might wanna check to see if it erased your other os entry
[08:58] <magneto> nalioth - it erased my winblows entry and some runlevel info and other stuff
[08:58] <nalioth> magneto: doeessnt matter, i have "Open Firmware" (two ways to boot into stuff on macs)
[08:59] <galaticos> Does someone have a mega gtk2 or metacity theme pack?
[08:59] <magneto> - its a minor issue i just originally asked to figure out if somehow i was special ;)
[09:00] <bob2> Peps: no luck?
[09:00] <nalioth> magneto: osx tiger already ate my yaboot (bootloader for PPC) once
[09:00] <Peps> bob2: no
[09:00] <bob2> Peps: you can't see windows shares on the linux machine?
[09:00] <nalioth> magneto: so i'm experienced now in yaboot reconstruction
[09:00] <Peps> bob2: I don't know. did not find out how yet
[09:01] <magneto> nalioth- i thought tiger was perfect lol
[09:01] <bob2> Peps: #kde or #kubuntu would presumably know
[09:02] <galaticos> does someone have a darkish ubuntu wallpaper?
[09:02] <synd> galaticos: try gnome-look.org
[09:02] <galaticos> ok
[09:02] <Xnalz> hmmm welll made it to the starting ubuntu..... second phase of instalation so this one isn't as fubar as the last
[09:02] <thoreauputic> galaticos: I have a dark blue one
[09:02] <galaticos> thoreauputic: can i have it?
[09:02] <magneto> galaticos- gnome-look.org
[09:02] <thoreauputic> galaticos: hang on a sec
[09:03] <galaticos> magneto: opening. slowly.
[09:03] <synd> ok night all
[09:04] <nalioth> magneto: no, tiger introduced a new filesystem that is unrecognizeble to mac-fdisk
[09:04] <thoreauputic> galaticos: sending
[09:04] <galaticos> thoreauputic: thanks :)
[09:05] <thoreauputic> galaticos: it'll be  a bit slow (dialup)
[09:05] <galaticos> thoreauputic: you're on dialup too?
[09:05] <thoreauputic> galaticos: it's based on one of the calendars
[09:05] <thoreauputic> galaticos: yup
[09:05] <magneto> nalioth- sounds like stevie is taking up bill's bad ways - first tiger now intel processors
[09:05] <galaticos> thoreauputic: great. bottleneck at both ends :)
[09:05] <thoreauputic> looks like it's complete
[09:06] <galaticos> yeah
[09:06] <nalioth> magneto: well, i've got wood for a 2007 model powermac with dual-proc dual-core 5ghz watercooled goodness
[09:06] <galaticos> thoreauputic: :) its nice.
[09:07] <popey> lol@"got wood"
[09:07] <thoreauputic> galaticos: edited by Andy Fitzsimons I think ( an Aus like me ;)
[09:07] <Turoq> hmm i have radeon mobility 9700 card and i installed new ati drivers for it, glxgears gives only 2000fps, is it ok or is there something wrong ?
[09:07] <magneto> galaticos - http://gnome-look.org/content/files/24867-ubuntu_the_difference_1280.png
[09:07] <galaticos> magneto: ty
[09:08] <magneto> np
[09:08] <kakalto> what package enables amarok's equalizer?
[09:08] <bob2> presumably amarok-engines
[09:08] <bob2> but #kubuntu would know
[09:09] <kakalto> uhhh
[09:09] <kakalto> considering amarok-engines is already installed, probably not, and #kubuntu was pretty dead before..
[09:09] <kakalto> ...and still is, as it seems
[09:09] <galaticos> what is amarok?
[09:09] <bob2> galaticos: some kde music playing thingy
[09:09] <magneto> nalioth- lol i have wood for football season there aint a damn thing on tv
[09:10] <kakalto> galaticos, yeah, a very good one at that
[09:10] <Xnalz> bahaha
[09:10] <magneto> amarok is the single greatest music app in creation
[09:10] <zongzi> banana
[09:10] <kakalto> magneto, true that
[09:10] <Zet> please, someone give me a line from your sources.list?
[09:10] <bob2> can't beat cplay
[09:11] <kakalto> cplay?
[09:11] <bob2> Zet: apt-setup will regenerate it for you if you broken it
[09:11] <magneto> which one Zet? there are many lines
[09:11] <bob2> kakalto: apt-cache show cplay
[09:11] <Zet> I'm trying to figure out where the hell all the packages are!
[09:11] <zongzi> Zet:  google?
[09:11] <Zet> just any line
[09:11] <Zet> I just need to find the ubuntu kernel source package
[09:11] <Zet> nothing more
[09:11] <Zet> I don't even run Ubuntu
[09:12] <magneto> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[09:12] <magneto> :)
[09:13] <Chastaghir> hi all, i don't get my Mustek BearPaw 2445TA Plus Scanner running. It is recoginzed by xsane, but when I try to scan I get this error Msg: "error while opening device 'gt68xx:libusb:002:002': wrong parameters (<- translation from german)
[09:13] <Chastaghir> any ideas?
[09:13] <magneto> or do you really need a whole line
[09:13] <galaticos> Zet: try ubuntuguide.org it has a nice sources.list.. i copied it off there
[09:13] <magneto> Zet: deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[09:13] <Peps> bob2: I can now see the Windows from kubuntu. Had to bring the firewall down for that ... Now I need to see how to fix that
[09:13] <bob2> Peps: so
[09:14] <bob2> Peps: in future, when you have network problems, you should assume it's a poorly configured firewall and remove it before trying anything else
[09:14] <Peps> bob2:  Now I know :)
[09:15] <thoreauputic> Peps: scrap the Wincrap firewall and use something like Zone Alarm
[09:15] <thoreauputic> that's almost as bad, but not quite...
[09:15] <Peps> thoreauputic: It is the ububtu firewall!!
[09:16] <thoreauputic> Peps: no, on the Win box
[09:16] <galaticos> How do i stop some of the things that start up at startup? like cron/apmd/acpi etc etc, which i dont need..
[09:16] <Peps> thoreauputic: there is no firewall on the windows
[09:16] <thoreauputic> Peps: ah i see - but Ubuntu doesn't come with a "firewall" as such - which one did you disable?
[09:17] <bob2> galaticos: with the "update-rc.d" tool, or just removing the S linke from /etc/rc2.d/
[09:17] <Xnalz> hmmm
[09:17] <galaticos> bob2: o.o both of them look like something i will have to read about
[09:17] <Peps> thoreauputic: i have guarddog
[09:17] <Xnalz> on the second stage on intall it says fontconfig: error and is now off the screen wonder if that is causeing all the problems
[09:18] <zongzi> Peps:  guarddog?
[09:18] <thoreauputic> Peps: ah OK - well guarddog is quite a nice iptables front end, so that's fine ;)
[09:19] <rg58sma> hi
[09:19] <rg58sma> i have a little problem
[09:19] <thoreauputic> Peps: I thought you were having issues with the XP firewall -m my mistake :)
[09:19] <rg58sma> how to delete recent files for menu FIle in Totem????
[09:19] <galaticos> hey, i am running synaptic, and synaptic updated/upgraded itself with a newer version.. how is it able to do that?
[09:19] <Peps> thoreauputic: np
[09:19] <Peps> thoreauputic: still i have no idea how to fix this
[09:20] <galaticos> rename the files before watching them. then you would'nt have to bother about deleting the recent file list.
[09:20] <bob2> Xnalz: it sounds a lot like your cd is screwed
[09:20] <rg58sma> not work
[09:20] <thoreauputic> Peps: guarddog has quite good help. i seem to recall - have you tried the guarddog web site?
[09:21] <rg58sma> beacause i delete the files
[09:21] <Peps> thoreauputic: phone call
[09:21] <psychonate> yays, a working xmms-musepack deb :)
[09:21] <Xnalz> bob2: this is my second cd
[09:21] <bob2> Xnalz: and you checked that both burnt correctly?
[09:21] <psychonate> If anyone needs musepack (mpegplus, mpp, mpc) debs:
[09:22] <psychonate> http://rarewares.org/debian-info-misc.html
[09:22] <Xnalz> bob2: yes
[09:22] <bob2> psychonate: can someone get that into universe?
[09:22] <bob2> assuming it's Free and all
[09:22] <upgrdman_> how do i tell apt-get to also install the reccomeneded packages?
[09:22] <psychonate> eh, I guess so
[09:22] <zongzi> everything is free
[09:22] <bob2> upgrdman_: man apt-get, there's an option
[09:22] <psychonate> bob2, you are talking to the wrong fella maybe. I know little about repositories and Ubuntu for that matter
[09:23] <bob2> upgrdman_: but perhaps you should look at aptitude?
[09:23] <psychonate> bob2, I can tell you that the plugin is working fantasticly, but that's about all I can say heh
[09:23] <bob2> zongzi: not my pants!
[09:23] <galaticos> psychonate: what is musepack?
[09:23] <upgrdman_> bob2, i'd rather learn how to do it with apt-get first
[09:23] <zongzi> ...
[09:23] <bob2> upgrdman_: bear in mind apt-get is a fairly low-level tool, though
[09:23] <psychonate> bob2, there are only five packages in the repository, but they are all very useful
[09:24] <psychonate> galaticos, it's just another lossy codec, sorta like mp3 and vorbis.
[09:24] <Chastaghir> I don't get my Mustek BearPaw 2445TA Plus Scanner running. It is recoginzed by xsane, but when I try to scan I get this error Msg: "error while opening device 'gt68xx:libusb:002:002': wrong parameters (<- translation from german)
[09:24] <Chastaghir> No ideas?
[09:24] <galaticos> psychonate: ok
[09:24] <psychonate> galaticos, it is better than mp3, but I don't know how it stands up to Vorbis
[09:24] <upgrdman_> bob2, aftering skimming the manpage i dont see an option
[09:24] <psychonate> Vorbis is fantastic
[09:24] <psychonate> fantabulous might I say
[09:25] <bob2> psychonate: what's the advantage over vorbis?
[09:25] <bob2> Chastaghir: try asking on the user mailing list, http://lists.ubuntu.com/
[09:25] <psychonate> bob2, I have no idea. I prefer Vorbis myself. (I got these off of.. <cough> p2p)
[09:25] <Zet> actually, is there an Ubuntu package that has the slmodemd daemon?
[09:25] <galaticos> upgrdman_:  -r, --with-recommends
[09:25] <psychonate> bob2, I run into this format rather often though, so I was happy to get support in XMMS.
[09:25] <Chastaghir> ok, thx bob2
[09:26] <kakalto> anyone got any ideas why, after ripping a song from cd to the computer (ogg), it won't play on my system? And yet it plays on my other comp?
[09:26] <bob2> psychonate: ah
[09:26] <upgrdman_> galaticos, was that in the man page
[09:26] <bob2> Zet: yes
[09:26] <magneto> Zet: google debian repos - they will have what you need with a search tool to boot
[09:26] <Fonz> kakalto: do you have .ogg plugins for your media player?
[09:26] <psychonate> bob2, now I just need a working FLAC plugin for bmp
[09:26] <Zet> could you please be more specific?
[09:26] <galaticos> upgrdman_: yeah. i just copied it from there. i just installed ubuntu an hour back
[09:26] <kakalto> Fonz, it's just that 1 song, the rest play
[09:27] <Fonz> ah. dunno then
[09:27] <xero> can someone tell me where to get w32codecs?
[09:27] <kakalto> marillat's repos
[09:27] <galaticos> xero: it is said in ubuntuguide.org
[09:27] <upgrdman_> galaticos, upgrdman@ubuntu-server:/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10$ sudo apt-get install -r gccE: Command line option 'r' [from -r]  is not known.
[09:27] <magneto> Zet: what exactly do you need?
[09:27] <Zet> my friend has dial-up and he installed Ubuntu today
[09:27] <psychonate> kakalto, XMMS has ogg vorbis support by default
[09:27] <Zet> and he can't get the modem to work
[09:27] <psychonate> kakalto, should be able to play them np
[09:28] <bob2> kakalto: you'd need to define "doesn't work"
[09:28] <Zet> I researched it and found out that his modem is supposed to work with slmodemd
[09:28] <bob2> kakalto: you can't play it with ogg123?  what error does it give you?
[09:28] <kakalto> psychonate, it's only 1 song, the rest of the album (which was ripped at the same time, the same way) play
[09:28] <bob2> Zet: it's in ubuntu, you don't need debian for it
[09:28] <magneto> so when he modprobe slmodemd what happens?
[09:28] <psychonate> scratched track?
[09:28] <kakalto> the single song just doesn't play, I haven't tried directly through ogg123 yet
[09:28] <Xnalz> is there any chance that the file I downloaded was corruecpted, it was off the ubuntu home page?
[09:28] <psychonate> kakalto, did you try just ripping the song again?
[09:28] <bob2> kakalto: try that then
[09:28] <upgrdman_> galaticos ?
[09:28] <kakalto> psychonate, but if I transfer it to my old system (which I just did a fresh kubuntu install), it plays fine
[09:29] <galaticos> upgrdman_: wait. let me check
[09:29] <bob2> Xnalz: yes, that's why there are md5sums, so you can check that
[09:29] <Zet> I have zero experience in Ubuntu but I run Debian
[09:29] <psychonate> er
[09:29] <psychonate> that sounds messed up
[09:29] <Xnalz> how do i check that?
[09:29] <bob2> upgrdman_: I can't sem to find the option, maybe I was using some experimental version or something
[09:29] <Zet> bob2: could you tell me which Ubuntu package has slmodemd?
[09:29] <Xnalz> bob2: how do I check the md5sums?
[09:30] <zongzi> Zet:  mirror site?
[09:30] <bob2> Xnalz: run "md5sum blah.iso"
[09:30] <bob2> Zet: sl-modem-daemon - SmartLink software modem daemon
[09:30] <bob2> Zet: same as in Debian...
[09:30] <galaticos> upgrdman_: :( sorry. i was reading man aptitude
[09:30] <Zet> a-ha!
[09:30] <Zet> bob2: thank you
[09:30] <Xnalz> bob2: ok did that
[09:30] <kakalto> bob2, when I try through ogg123, it says "cannot open device esd"
[09:30] <psychonate> heh
[09:30] <bob2> kakalto: you're not using esd?
[09:30] <zongzi> Zet:  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Archive
[09:30] <upgrdman_> bob2, how do i tell apt-get to get stuff from the internet, i dont want to keeping inseting the damn install cd :(
[09:30] <kakalto> I wouldn't know
[09:31] <bob2> kakalto: I assume you made sure sound in general worked
[09:31] <galaticos> upgrdman_: sudo aptitude -r install gcc
[09:31] <Fonz> what does "apt-get -f install" do?
[09:31] <kakalto> sound in general works, yes.
[09:31] <thoreauputic> upgrdman_: comment the Cd line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:31] <magneto> zet: sl-modem-daemon  try that
[09:31] <bob2> upgrdman_: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:31] <kakalto> I can play through amarok, most songs
[09:31] <thoreauputic> upgrdman_: it's near the top
[09:31] <kakalto> it's just 1 song which doesn't play in amarok, nor cplay
[09:31] <kakalto> but does play on my other comp
[09:32] <bob2> ignore cplay and amarok
[09:32] <d1> hi everyone...
[09:32] <bob2> everything uses libvorbis anyway
[09:33] <kakalto> bob2, so how can I figure out what's wrong with the song?
[09:33] <upgrdman_> thoreauputic, thx
[09:33] <kakalto> I would just use my other comp as a jukebox, but I can't get the equalizer
[09:33] <AvvY> does linux use a host file like Windows?
[09:33] <bob2> kakalto: run ogg123 on it with the correct -o option
[09:33] <bob2> AvvY: /etc/hosts
[09:33] <AvvY> thanx bob2
[09:33] <kakalto> bob2, how do I find out what the correct -o option is
[09:34] <kakalto> ?
[09:34] <psychonate> wow, the main rarewares repository has A LOT of nice XMMS plugins
[09:35] <bob2> kakalto: ogg123 -o arts foo.ogg
[09:35] <Fonz> YES!!!
[09:35] <d1> I've got a (little) problem setting up my wlan connection. i've installed the appropriate drivers of my card via ndiswrapper and iwlist returns the wlan-net i want to connect to. however, when using windows, i have to go to a login-page (https://login....) and sign-on with my username/pw. when i try to connect to the login-page in ubuntu i get an error... anyone who has a hint for me, where i should start looking?
[09:35] <Fonz> i got Wine working!
[09:35] <Fonz> woohoo
[09:35] <zongzi> so?
[09:35] <psychonate> I won't add it though as a lot of the other stuff is in the ubuntu repositories; I'll just download the debs individually if I need them :)
[09:35] <kakalto> Congratulations, Fonz. Now try CVSCedega
[09:35] <kakalto> :P
[09:35] <kakalto> bob2, that doesn't work
[09:35] <Fonz> heh
[09:35] <kakalto> arts is the wrong option
[09:35] <bob2> kakalto: "doesn't work" = ?
[09:35] <psychonate> there are scripts to compile CVS Cedega for you
[09:35] <bob2> kakalto: you're not using arts?
[09:35] <eyequeue> okay, dumb question time
[09:36] <kakalto> "Incorrect option format: arts"
[09:36] <magneto> d1 - you have dsl? or wireless?
[09:36] <bob2> d1: you need to tell us the "error"
[09:36] <eyequeue> other than the name of a mountain or dead us president, what is mckinley?
[09:36] <d1> bob2: wireless...
[09:36] <bob2> kakalto: er, -d arts
[09:36] <bob2> d1: that's not an error
[09:36] <kakalto> k
[09:36] <eyequeue> platform?
[09:36] <magneto> d1: what type of wireless card
[09:36] <xero> how can i install Half-Life 2 in Ubuntu?
[09:36] <bob2> xero: www.transgaming.com
[09:37] <d1> bob2: why? i mean the card is available. when i set up the wlan connection with the gui and add the wlan thing to the panel, i even see that i have a 100% signal
[09:37] <zongzi> xero:  install windoz
[09:37] <xero> bob2: costs money =\
[09:37] <bob2> d1: dude
[09:37] <kakalto> bob2, that works.. but if I try to play it with any frontends, it doesn't seem to play it
[09:37] <d1> bob2: but i can't log in since can't open the login-page
[09:37] <bob2> d1: "when i try to connect to the login-page in ubuntu i get an error", you need to tell us exactly what error it is
[09:37] <magneto> wireless isp? with a webpage login?
[09:37] <d1> magneteo: realtek
[09:37] <bob2> d1: so, you don't get an error, you just can't get the login page in your browser?
[09:37] <eyequeue> reason for asing in #ubuntu: i was reading an ubuntu security buletin (every upgrade your kernels and reboot) and saw mckinley in kernel package names as if it was a platform, but have not heard of such before
[09:38] <eyequeue> s/buletin/bulletin/
[09:38] <tombs> d1: what pci card do you use?
[09:38] <bob2> eyequeue: it's a type of ia-64 cpu
[09:38] <d1> magneto: my uni wlan: yes. it has webpage-login. in windows. i just open firefox and get to the loginpage automatically. when i want to open the page in ubuntu, it can't connect
[09:38] <bob2> d1: ah, firefox can't connect
[09:38] <d1> tombs: it is a pcmia realtek card
[09:39] <bob2> d1: please just tell us the error in the original question in future
[09:39] <magneto> d1 - what's the url?
[09:39] <bob2> d1: have you setup /etc/network/interfaces correctly?
[09:39] <magneto> d1: can you ping the domain or ip addy
[09:40] <d1> bob2: ok, sorry bout this. when i try "sudo dhclient wlan0" i get an error with "no leases in db" or something like that"
[09:40] <eyequeue> bob2:  thanks, i was suprised not to have heard the term:)
[09:40] <bob2> d1: right
[09:40] <d1> magneto: https://login.jku.at
[09:40] <kakalto> thanks anyway, bob2
[09:40] <bob2> d1: the essid is correct?  they're not using wpa or wep, are they?
[09:40] <bob2> kakalto: presumably amarok is misconfigured, but I can't imagine how it could only affect that one file
[09:40] <kakalto> I know, it's random
[09:41] <kakalto> but, it's not just amarok
[09:41] <kakalto> I'll try another app again
[09:41] <d1> bob2: no, they aren't. i can even see the correct essids!! but can't get to the login page.- that's the problem i have
[09:41] <magneto> d1: so you have no ip address on your wireless nic
[09:41] <d1> magneto: no, they say that i have to choose dhcp which is what i did
[09:42] <bob2> d1: well, the problem is you don't have any network connectivity, it's not a "can't reach login page" thing specifically
[09:42] <magneto> d1: but dhcp isnt working or not leasing to u
[09:42] <bob2> d1: can you assign an ip statically and have it work?
[09:42] <d1> magneto: exactly, i don't get any dhcpoffers
[09:43] <kakalto> bob2, actually, it is just amarok affected.
[09:43] <bob2> hah
[09:43] <d1> bob2: no i tried this. got to windows and wrote down ip, gateway and stuff and tried to configure it manually. doesn't work either. (i'm in windows using wlan currently)
[09:43] <kakalto> xmms plays the file fine...
[09:43] <kakalto> and amarok plays it fine on my old comp
[09:43] <kakalto> it's just something to do with this comp and amarok
[09:43] <magneto> d1: do they use a mac address database or something
[09:44] <d1> magneto: nothing that i'm aware of. but the mac adress has to be the same as in windows, since i'm dual booting win/ubuntu
[09:45] <magneto> d1: im just tryin to figure out at which point you are failing
[09:45] <cyphase> Do you think podcast support should be in a browser or an email client a.k.a Firefox or Thunderbird?
[09:45] <magneto> d1: the dhcp part has to come before any login
[09:45] <bob2> that sounds a lot like ndiswrapper being crap
[09:45] <bob2> cyphase: no
[09:45] <magneto> bob2: lmao
[09:45] <d1> magneto: i think it MAY be the gateway of the login-page. since i use dhcp i can't configure a gateway...
[09:46] <bob2> d1: you did configure the gateway when doing it manually, right?
[09:46] <cyphase> bob2, i meant which one, not should it be, seeing as thunderbird 1.1 is going to have it
[09:46] <magneto> d1: nah you cant use any webpage with no IP address
[09:46] <d1> bob2: even if iwlist shows the available essids?
[09:46] <bob2> cyphase: ouch, that seems silly
[09:46] <bob2> d1: yes
[09:46] <d1> bob2: yes, i tried that. didn't work either...
[09:46] <bob2> d1: I've heard of it happening, anyway, I've never used it
[09:46] <cyphase> bob2, why?
[09:46] <eyequeue> cyphase:  i've seen rss plugins for each of those, so i'd see podcast support as akin to rss support.  hence, i think some wouild feel one, some the other
[09:47] <eyequeue> cyphase:  personally, i'm more of the unix school of thought: "do one thing, do it well" so i'd prefer it in a dedicated app
[09:47] <bob2> cyphase: isn't "podcasting" identical to an rss feed with links to ogg/mp3 files in it?
[09:47] <cyphase> bob2, yea
[09:47] <AvvY> im currently using Synaptic to download XFCE desktop envorionment. once its installed, how do i change from gnome to xfce?
[09:48] <bob2> cyphase: so why not add music playing support to a rss reader?
[09:48] <psychonate> AvvY, logout. Select XFCE. Login.
[09:48] <cyphase> eyequeue, maybe thats ok for us geeks, but Joe User wants to click one button to do everything, not 2 or 3
[09:48] <bob2> AvvY: make sure it's xfce4
[09:48] <eyequeue> cyphase:  some prefer their usenet news reading done in their mua, i'd rather have a dedicated app for it.  same concept
[09:48] <cyphase> bob2, because it doesn't make sense
[09:48] <bob2> cyphase: how?
[09:48] <AvvY> yeah it is xfce4 bob2. thanx psychonate, ill have a go when its finished downloading
[09:48] <difficult> hi all. Just done a new install of ubuntu from a hoary cd, I'm having a problem with it finishing the installation, it can't seem to finish doing the final step, it has issues with scroll keeper restarts dgm and then does an apt-get upgrade and again fails with scroll keeper, I left it going all  night and it has just been stuck in that loop
[09:49] <difficult> I was hoping someone would be able to give me an idea as to why this might be happening
[09:49] <bob2> difficult: are yo usure the CD burnt correctly?
[09:49] <Take_Da_Fish> ARRGGGG I have ubuntu working on an old computer and now have it setup on a new computer. I a 56k modem working on the old computer but when I bring it across i cannot get it work on the new computer.  I have even tried a new hardware modem to no avail
[09:49] <psychonate> AvvY, np, you can select the windowmanager in the little "Session" option on the login screen
[09:49] <Take_Da_Fish> does anyone know any terminal commands I can do to check the ports or something
[09:49] <AvvY> psychonate: thanx, im about to restart now, ill let u know how it goes. brb
[09:50] <Zet> umm, does Ubuntu have a nice GUI modem dialer application program thingie?
[09:50] <d1> bob2, magneto: in the /etc/network/hosts file only <IP_ADDRESS> localhost,... is specified. may i add the ip of the login page there?
[09:50] <cyphase> bob2, an RSS reader/podcatcher is *getting* content for you to consume, not playing it for you
[09:50] <difficult> bob2 I haven't MD5 checksumed it, but everything till the end seemed to work without a problem, I have changed the source.list to match the one i haev on my home installation hoping that would solve the issue but it doesnt. No matter wether i use my home one or the default one it seems to keep back things like gzip and bzip2 and then gives me scroll keeper errors
[09:51] <bob2> d1: well, that shouldn't matter
[09:51] <d1> bob2: ok
[09:51] <magneto> d1: shouldnt make a difference if you have no IP address and no way to communicate with the webserver
[09:51] <bob2> difficult: md5sum check it (you can do that from the running installer)
[09:51] <bob2> cyphase: what's the difference?
[09:51] <juli> WHAT IS IT ?
[09:51] <difficult> bob2: how do i md4sum the cd and what would I compare it against?
[09:52] <cyphase> bob2, the mailman delivers your letters, he doesn't read them for you
[09:52] <magneto> d1: do you know the model number of the realtek card maybe you can try a linux driver
[09:52] <shanon> I was just notified that there is a new kernel version through the software updates tool. Will this be enabled when I reboot if I install ?
[09:52] <eyequeue> cyphase:  i guess if i had to choose mail vs web app ... hmm ... my vote would be web, since you can't reply to a podcast (right?) unlike email where you have a peer relationship with the writer
[09:52] <bob2> cyphase: sure, but an rss reader doesn't download it to my disk and expect me to read the xml
[09:52] <magneto> yes shanon
[09:52] <d1> magneto: it is a realtek 8139 card
[09:52] <shanon> magneto: thanks
[09:52] <bob2> cyphase: it formats it for me and displays it
[09:52] <bob2> difficult: boot it with the "expert" option and go to the "verify cd" option on the menu
[09:52] <bob2> shanon: yes
[09:53] <difficult> bob2: once I have done that what would i compare it against?
[09:53] <cyphase> bob2, yes, but only because it's so trivial that it's nothing to implement it
[09:53] <bob2> cyphase: how is playing an audi ofile different?
[09:53] <bob2> difficult: it will compare it against the correct values automatically
[09:53] <difficult> ahhh ok thanks
[09:54] <cyphase> bob2, it's not, unless you start to add to many functions into a simple application
[09:54] <eyequeue> cyphase:  since you specifically mentioned firefox and thunderbird, are you thinking of writing a plugin for one or the other? if so, i'd recommend making it work with both, so the user can install it where they feel it fits best
[09:54] <cyphase> eyequeue, thunderbird is getting podcast support in 1.1
[09:54] <Peps> Now I can see windows folders from my ubuntu, and the windows can see the internet - BUT still no mount from windows to kubuntu ...
[09:55] <bob2> Peps: woo
[09:55] <magneto> d1: i thought u said it was wireless?
[09:55] <elsyar2003> hi
[09:55] <Peps> bob2: I guess I will leave it at that at the moment
[09:55] <d1> magneto: it is a wireless pcmcia card
[09:55] <bob2> Peps: that is weird
[09:56] <Jormundgand> There's a number of semiserious bugs in Firefox 1.0.4. So I go to #ubuntu-devel and request that they backport the fixes from Deer Park Alpha 1. Their response? "Make a patch." I can't make a patch - I'm a scientist, not a programmer.
[09:56] <Peps> bob2: I think it might be an account/password thingy. w2k is strange that way
[09:56] <bob2> Jormundgand: dude
[09:57] <Peps> bob2: First operation - download firefox
[09:57] <magneto> d1: okay why are you using ndiswrapper? do you need wpa?
[09:57] <bob2> Jormundgand: whinging doesn't get you anywhere
[09:57] <eyequeue> Jormundgand:  let me try to be tactful here, okay? (though i do understand your frustration)
[09:57] <bob2> Jormundgand: also, breezy diesn't come out for another 4 months, presumably "deer park alpha" will be out by then and in breezy
[09:57] <Jormundgand> Deer Park alpha 1 is out now.
[09:57] <d1> magneto: the card was not recognised by ubuntu out of the box
[09:57] <magneto> d1: i had the same type of card i just switched to an intel minipci - i had the linksys wpc11
[09:58] <d1> magneto: so i tried ndiswrapper
[09:58] <shanon> can someone tell me what package I need to install to get the standard performance monitoring tools like iostat, sar etc..
[09:58] <bob2> Jormundgand: have you filed bugs about these "semi-serious" problems in firefox 1.0.4, and pointed out that it's fixed in deer park alpha?
[09:58] <eyequeue> Jormundgand:  you happed to hit a subset of the developers, those that are watching the channel at this moment.  perhaps a swishlist type request to a mailing list might be more effective, in that it might hit those that are willing to undertake it themselves
[09:58] <Peps> Don't know about gnome - KDE Control Center is quite buggy
[09:58] <bob2> Jormundgand: are you aware at the ridiculous amount of work that might be required to backport those fixes?
[09:59] <cyphase> 1.1 should be in the update list for hoary
[09:59] <cyphase> it better be
[09:59] <cyphase> lol
[09:59] <Take_Da_Fish> anyone help with internal modem blues?
[09:59] <Jormundgand> bob2: The bug reports are already there.
[09:59] <bob2> Jormundgand: and you followed up and said "This is fixed in 'deer park alpha', which will be released on $blah."?
[09:59] <Jormundgand> Yes. And nobody looks at the reports, so nobody does anything.