[09:52] <nerochiaro> zsombi: tmoenicke: do you know if there's a way to know when the OSK has completely finished the animation that it does when it slides in ? I noticed that the Qt.inputMethod.visible property changes to true immediately, but the keyboard takes a bit longer to slide in (and if MainView.anchorToKeyboard = true the height of the MainView gets animated)
[09:52] <nerochiaro> zsombi: tmoenicke: i need to do something when i am sure the keyboard has completely appeared
[09:57] <tmoenicke> nerochiaro: at the time visible is true, the osk has already allocated the window and space
[09:59] <tmoenicke> nerochiaro: it doesnt report anything else
[10:01] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: i just checked and i think you're mistaken. if i print the height when Qt.inputMethod.onVisibleChanged reports that visible = true I get one height, if I wait a few milliseconds and print the height again i get another height. I'm printing it on a listview that's occupying the entire mainView, but let me try to do the same with the MainView itself, just to be sure
[10:03] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: hmm,interesting. the MainView does indeed behave like you said. so there's a delay somewhere else. thanks
[10:06] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: zsombi : it's the Page object that takes some time to resize to match the keyboard
[10:08] <nerochiaro> t1mp_: zsombi: do you guys know how can I know when a Page has fully adjusted to the height of the OSK when MainView.anchorToKeyboard: true ? It seems to take some time to animate to the right size and I need to know when it has finished
[10:10] <t1mp> nerochiaro: I don't know
[10:11] <nerochiaro> t1mp: do you know who worked on that and might know ?
[10:12] <t1mp> nerochiaro: from bzr log I'd say renato
[10:38] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i just pushed an update to the MR and added some comments
[10:38] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: well, adding them now
[10:40] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ok, done
[10:47] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, looking
[10:50] <nik90> nic-doffay: It seems that the tests pass in your https://code.launchpad.net/~nicolas-doffay/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/selector-code-refactor/+merge/191953 branch. Is this ready for merge to trunk
[11:00] <nic-doffay> nik90, yeah just waiting on timp to review it again sometime.
[11:01] <nik90> nic-doffay: okay
[11:16] <t1mp> nic-doffay: I added a few comments https://code.launchpad.net/~nicolas-doffay/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/selector-code-refactor/+merge/191953
[11:29] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Guy Fawkes Day! :-D
[11:38] <popey> JamesTait: I'm trying to approve an app into the store and I'm getting "Application status could not be updated. Please try again later."
[11:38] <popey> Also, good morning.
[11:39] <JamesTait> popey, good morning! Let me see what I can find out for you.
[11:40] <JamesTait> popey, this is in production, yes?
[11:40] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, more comments on your MR (and fixes needed)
[11:41] <popey> JamesTait: i only use production
[11:42] <JamesTait> popey, http://blogs.msdn.com/cfs-filesystemfile.ashx/__key/communityserver-blogs-components-weblogfiles/00-00-01-32-02-metablogapi/8054.image_5F00_thumb_5F00_35C6E986.png ?
[11:43] <popey> \o/
[11:43] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: the solution you propose to replace the hack will probably not work. it's not the keyboard which has a delay in getting the right size,it's the MainView's contents
[11:44] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, right
[11:44] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i think there's actually a bug in the MainView, i need to talk to renato. That animation should not be there as it's happening when they keyboard is already up anyway, if what tmoenicke says about Qt.inputMethod.visible being emitted only when the keyboard is already up
[11:45] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, I don’t like this hack though, there’s gotta be a cleaner way
[11:45] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, ok, so let’s file a bug and fix it as a first step
[11:45] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: let me talk to renato first
[11:46] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: that hack is just an interim fix so that at least we get the thing working. before something gets fixed in the SDK and when it gets into the images ages can pass
[11:47] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, right, but if it’s not a critical bug then we can probably afford to fix it in the SDK first
[11:48] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: it's High, seems already pretty important to me, but i'm ok either way
[11:49] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, let’s file the bug against the SDK and talk to Renato first, and then we can decide which route to take
[11:50] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, and regarding the thing not working in landscape, it may also be a bug in the MainView itself, that’s something to check
[11:51] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i was about to say that I'm gonna investigate that one, and make a report with a test case if it's indeed a bug
[12:29] <nerochiaro> renato_: ping
[12:31] <renato_> nerochiaro, hi
[12:31] <nerochiaro> renato_:  hi, i wanted to ask you something about MainView and anchorToKeyboard
[12:32] <nerochiaro> renato_: I see that you have added a NumberAnimation to animate the movement of the MainView content
[12:32] <nerochiaro> renato_: but it seems that it's finishing a bit after the keyboard is fully shown
[12:33] <nerochiaro> renato_: is that animation necessary ?
[12:42] <renato_> nerochiaro, this is the best way that I and Kaleo found to make a  smooth transition
[12:43] <renato_> nerochiaro, right now there is no way to follow the keyborad animation, and I do not know if they intend to change that
[12:43] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ^
[12:43] <renato_> but for sure the best solution is follow the keyboard
[12:45] <nerochiaro> renato_: that's not enough. when they keyboard has finished its animation the content is still changing
[12:46] <nerochiaro> renato_: the MainView content doens't have the final height when Qt.inputMethod.visible is true
[12:58] <nerochiaro> renato_: oSoMoN: lunch, let's talk about this in a bit
[13:27] <nik90> popey, mhall119: Hi, I was just thinking about exposing bite size bugs for the entire core apps project. Currently there is no easy way to showcase these bugs to new contributors. Sure you can tag bugs as "bitesize" etc..but not everyone will take the effort to go through launchpad bug filters to find them.
[13:27] <nik90> popey, mhall119: That said, why cant we use http://harvest.ubuntu.com/opportunities/ ?
[13:27] <nik90> May be add a new filter touch-coreapps which would list all bitesize bugs or i18n bugs in the core apps projects?
[13:31] <popey> Sounds like a great idea
[13:32] <popey> could add a bitezise-touch tag just as easily.
[13:32] <popey> and link to it
[13:32] <popey> add a bit.ly link all over the place to make it easier to find
[13:51] <mhall119> nik90: +1 on using both bitesize tag and harvest, though I don't know how much maintenance harvest has gotten lately
[13:56] <nik90> popey: I tried bit.ly and it is good but it returns links like http://bit.ly/1cLYGG3 which is not intutive..whereas with harvest I could just type go to harvest.ubuntu.com which is much easier to read and remember.
[13:56] <nik90> mhall119: agreed. But it seems like a really good website
[13:56] <popey> sorry, i just meant any link shortener, doesn't have to be bit.ly
[13:56] <popey> tinyurl lets you name urls for example
[13:57] <nik90> ooh that I like
[14:39] <nerochiaro_lunch> gusch: tmoenicke: when running the qml test case for the onTextChanged bug, what command are you exactly running on the phone ?
[14:41] <tmoenicke> nerochiaro_lunch: qmlscene, and i picked the desktop file from the browser
[14:41] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: from the browser ? on the device ?
[14:44] <gusch> nerochiaro: I picked the desktop file fom the notes-app - yes, on the device
[14:45] <nerochiaro> gusch: what do you mean that you picked the desktop file from notes-app ? did you launch "qmlscene /path/to/example.qml --desktop-file-hint=/path/to/notes-app.desktop" ?
[14:46] <gusch> nerochiaro: yes
[14:47] <nerochiaro> gusch: when i do that now i get this error "QUbuntu: Could not create application instance" and then the app segfaults
[14:47] <gusch> nerochiaro: I'm currently flashing my phone - afterwards I can check for the exact command
[14:47] <nerochiaro> gusch: that would help, thanks
[14:48] <tmoenicke> nerochiaro: yes on the device
[14:49] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: the browser doesn't appear for me on the device, i just get "QUbuntu: Could not create application instance" when i launch qmlscene
[14:49] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: are you launching from adb shell ?
[14:52] <tmoenicke> nerochiaro: nope
[14:52] <tmoenicke> nerochiaro: i was using ssh
[14:52] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: ok, let me try that
[14:53] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: how do you enable ssh ?
[14:55] <tmoenicke> nerochiaro: adb shell start ssh
[14:58] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: hmm, same problem, QUbuntu: Could not create application instance when i run qmlscene from an ssh shell
[14:58] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: are you on a normal image where you just set /userdata/.writable_image ?
[14:58] <gusch> nerochiaro: qmlscene RotationTest.qml --desktop_file_hint=.local/share/applications/com.ubuntu.notes_notes_1.4.214.desktop
[14:59] <nerochiaro> gusch: you just flashed the image, set up writable_image, uploaded the file and ran that over ssh ?
[14:59] <nerochiaro> gusch: or there's some other step i am misisng ?
[15:00] <maxiaojun> can i ask desktop app related questions here?
[15:00] <gusch> nerochiaro: just reflashed, and now I can see it as well ...
[15:01] <nerochiaro> gusch: i asked sergiusens on the other touch channel but response yet
[16:09] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: can you please confirm that launching any qml file with qmlscene from adb or ssh shell (with or without --desktop-file-hint) will crash and display the following error: QUbuntu: Could not create application instance ?
[16:10] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: gusch has the same problem and I asked 5 more people but no one is paying attention
[16:11] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, give me a min
[16:11] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: no rush
[16:12] <gusch> nerochiaro: it's on my list (not that I saw it myself ;)
[16:14] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, nope, it works here
[16:14] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, with desktop_file_hint
[16:14] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, are you logged in as the phablet user?
[16:19] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: yes
[16:19] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: today's image ?
[16:20] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: build 10
[16:42] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, I got build 11
[16:42] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, I don’t think it would change anything
[16:44] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ok, thanks for checking
[16:45] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: just verified that anchorToKeyboard doesn't work in landscape even in a minimal example. submitting bug now
[16:45]  * popey tickles mhall119 with https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/243/
[16:47] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, excellent, thanks
[16:48] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: it was already reported it seems (with a slightly different symptoms but i believe the cause it the same) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1236360
[16:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1236360 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "MainView.anchorToKeyboard doesn’t resize the contents in landscape orientation" [Undecided,New]
[16:48] <nerochiaro> renato_: please have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-keyboard/+bug/1236360 when you come back
[16:49] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: regarding the hack to make sure the content finishes resizing before getting the cursor into view, there doesn't seem to be any way to know when the animation is done, according to renato
[16:53] <oSoMoN> :/
[16:57] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: so either we convice them to expose that animation somehow so we can know when it's finish, or expose a signal when it's finished, or keep the hack
[16:58] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, or we sleep on it and wake up tomorrow with a slightly less hacky hack :)
[16:58] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: allright, let's do that
[16:58] <mhall119> popey: we're up to 243 apps?
[16:59] <popey> not quite
[16:59] <popey> some are rejected
[16:59] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: one option would be to know what the keyb height should be in the end, and wait for the content to reach that height
[16:59] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: but it's just as fragile as the timer hack, i think
[16:59] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, sounds much less fragile to me, I like this approach better
[16:59] <mhall119> popey: but 243 submitted apps
[17:00] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, using the KeyboardRectangle, we know when the OSK is fully shown, so we know its height at this point, and therefore we can calculate the height of the view
[17:01] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i'll have a look at how it can be done
[17:01] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: it's still relying on the fact that we know some internals, but yes, probably a better way
[17:05] <popey> mhall119: -1 for hello world, sure ☻
[17:06] <mhall119> popey: that's valid app!
[17:06] <popey> ☻
[17:11] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, hey, I just submitted this trivial MR: https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/notes-app/select-many-noorder/+merge/193966. Care to have a quick look?
[17:11] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: looking
[17:12] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: was that order giving problems or is it just to increase robustness ?
[17:12] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, just to increase robustness, because I just found out that the order is not guaranteed by select_many, I’m writing an e-mail about it to the team
[17:13] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: it looks good to me anyway, and i think that if jenkins is ok with it you can top approve when it's done
[17:13] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro, thx
[18:41] <aquarius> how does the phone actually start a click app that's installed? So I can do the same thing from the command line -- if I just run qmlscene myself from an ssh connection, then it's not being managed by upstart and it's not confined
[18:43] <sarnold> aquarius: I don't know how much this reflects current reality vs the intention, but try the "start application APP_ID=foo" thing mentioned here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/ApplicationConfinement#Launching_applications
[18:43] <aquarius> sarnold, aha, that looks useful!
[18:45] <aquarius> looks like tedg is involved with this: I shall ping him too
[22:51] <popey> Elleo: cutespotify crashes for me... Log in:  "No error"
[23:32] <Elleo> popey: oh, is this with a recent build?
[23:32] <Elleo> or the version I gave you ages ago?
[23:32] <popey> hmm, the one on my phone, might be old
[23:32] <Elleo> popey: hang on, I'll upload a newer one for you to have a poke at
[23:32] <popey> I'll have to play tomorrow.. being dragged away
[23:33] <popey> but ping the link and I will look in the morning
[23:33] <Elleo> okay


[12:39] <BkuesKaj> Hi all
[13:46] <mparillo> Has anybody tested the daily ISO on real HW? On Sunday, I chose the install option with all the defaults, and other than Lubuntu branding, I successfully installed in a VM. But with the Monday and Tuesday ISOs, I have tried to burn a USB thumb drive, and when I select the Try option, I do not get a desktop, nor does Ctrl Alt F4 get me a TTY.
 I will test on hardware today. That doesn't sound good at all. We sure are pushed into a corner on time to test.
[15:25] <arraybolt3> mparillo: I got the daily ISO to install on real hardware just recently.
[15:25] <arraybolt3> There was one bug that made the install fail but I fixed it and uploaded the fix.
 Just booted from USB key on real hardware, selected try and desktop comes up as expected.
[19:04] <mparillo> TY. Must be me.
 :( does install work? Maybe a corrupt ISO download? I wish I had more hardware to test on.
[19:12] <mparillo> I only tested install to a VM (and that was with Sunday's ISO).
[19:12] <mparillo> It is the live USB that seems to stall when I click on Try.
 Okay, maybe something changed? I used todays ISO.
 how very strange and I don't know how to reproduce.
[19:16] <mparillo> Maybe my T410 is just a bit too old.
[23:51] <mmikowski> sgmoore arraybolt3: we will eventually test on 12 models.


[12:30] <phillw> darkxst: just as thought.. have you got a restricted extras package? aka https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[21:35] <darkxst> phillw, no we dont, but we probably should have!
[21:39] <phillw> darkxst: I'd suggest using the lubuntu one, but that is currently pulling in chromium as a web-browser. If you have a chat
[21:40] <phillw> juilen (gilir) I'm sure he'd be happy to give the details needed
[21:47] <jbicha> why wouldn't ubuntu-restricted-extras also work for Ubuntu GNOME?
[21:51] <darkxst> jbicha, well it would, only thing I see with that is that it pulls in both gstreamer 0.1 and 1.0
[21:53] <jbicha> there is still stuff in the Ubuntu archives that use gstreamer 0.10
[21:54] <jbicha> it looks like lubuntu-restricted-addons is inadequate compared to ubuntu's
[21:55] <jbicha> Xubuntu's is probably inadequate for not including the gstreamer 1.0 stuff
[21:57] <jbicha> my opinion is that Xubuntu should just just use ubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:58] <jbicha> and that lubuntu-restricted-extras can recommend ubuntu-restricted-addons and the chromium extra codecs
[21:59] <jbicha> on the other hand, even lubuntu is using Firefox now so maybe even that's not needed (except for upgraders)
[22:00] <jbicha> alternatively, I'll ask qengho why the chromium codecs need to depend on chromium-browser; maybe we can get rid of all the other -extras except Kubuntu's
[22:01] <jbicha> because many people using Ubuntu use Chromium too
[22:03] <jbicha> ubuntu-restricted-extras needs to install a few extra things (like gstreamer 0.10 *and* 1.0 support) because it's not possible for other packages to recommend that stuff


[04:54] <IDWMaster> How do I install 10.10?
[04:56] <IDWMaster> How do I install Ubuntu 10.10 and upgrade from 10.04?
[05:09] <amikrop> Where can I find Ambiance's folder/places icons?
[07:13] <bbordwell> Hello, I keep two installs of Ubuntu going at the same time to help me in triaging bugs, but now that lucid is final they are both the same. How do I upgrade this partition to maverick?
[07:15] <rww> bbordwell: There's no update tool yet, so change /etc/apt/sources.list to point to Maverick sources, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.
[07:15] <rww> caveat: I don't know whether maverick is actually a sane idea right now, but if it is, that's how you'd do it
[07:16] <bbordwell> rww, haha yes I know, It is on a seperate partition for testing purposes only
[07:17] <bbordwell> rww, so just change everywhere it says lucid to maverick?
[07:18] <rww> bbordwell: yup. if you have PPAs or other third-party repositories, or your mirror is out of date, they may not work yet.
[07:18] <ddecator> has anything really even changed yet?
[07:18] <ddecator> doesn't seem like much would change before UDS
[07:18] <rww> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/maverick-changes/2010-May/thread.html
[07:19] <ddecator> touche
[07:19] <bbordwell> rww, thank you
[08:46] <BUGabundo_remote> yes,yes, Sleep is overrated
[09:21] <BUGabundo_remote> rt @popey: Mark proposes that 10.10 is released on Sunday 10th October 2010. Where 101010 = 42 = Meaning of Life / Universe / Everything!
[09:21] <BUGabundo_remote> heck aint that a bit early for gnome cycle?
[09:21] <red2kic> Oh wow!
[09:21] <red2kic> #ubuntu+1 opens again!
[09:22] <rww> In before endless complains about proprietary drives.
[09:22] <rww> drivers **
[09:22] <rww> BUGabundo_remote: when's GNOME coming out this time?
[09:22] <red2kic> Quickly! BUG, hand me the Maverick! ^_^
[09:26]  * BUGabundo_remote passes along an updated sources.list to red2kic
[09:29] <nikolam> :)
[11:27] <BUGabundo_remote> eheh Light... boot in 7 secs... browsing the web in 10...
[11:27] <BUGabundo_remote> heck I can't make FF open in under 10 secs :)
[11:29] <BUGabundo_remote> unity would work for me
[11:30] <red2kic> BUGabundo_remote: With great power there must also come — great responsibility!
[11:30] <BUGabundo_remote> all I use 98% of the time on my laptop is chromium and pidgin
[11:30] <BUGabundo_remote> and music.... too...via stream
[11:32] <BUGabundo_remote> no, really
[11:32] <BUGabundo_remote> this is why I want a tablet running andoid on it
[11:32] <BUGabundo_remote> so I can have _instant_ ON
[11:33] <BUGabundo_remote> with my apps, right there
[11:33] <BUGabundo_remote> can't see this with a netbook ubuntu tablet :(
[11:34]  * BUGabundo_remote slaps the room
[11:34] <BUGabundo_remote> you guys are toooo quiet today
[11:34] <red2kic> It's loud in #ubuntu
[11:36] <BUGabundo_remote> too load for my brain
[11:37] <arand> Some are never happy it seems... Anyhow, are there any current gotchas will hopping over to mm?
[11:37] <arand> Apart from the obvious?
[11:41] <BUGabundo_remote> arand: mm?
[11:42] <arand> MaverickMerkaat, anyone? :þ
[11:42] <BUGabundo_remote> ahhhhhhh
[11:43]  * BUGabundo_remote is on slowwwww morning
[11:43] <BUGabundo_remote> I do like the 10.10 on 10.10.10. :D
[11:43]  * BUGabundo_remote waits for binary joke
[11:44] <BUGabundo_remote> but I do wonder if canonical team can make the real fast boot
[11:44] <BUGabundo_remote> and work with some OEM to provide a tablet
[11:44] <joaopinto> hi
[11:44] <BUGabundo_remote> that would be awesome
[11:44] <BUGabundo_remote> ola joaopinto
[11:44] <joaopinto> bom dia BUGabundo_remote
[11:44] <arand> hoy
[11:44] <BUGabundo_remote> but is coming late
[11:44] <BUGabundo_remote> should have been here 6 months ago
[11:44] <joaopinto> BUGabundo_remote, looking for an ipad clone :P ?
[11:45] <BUGabundo_remote> and with ARM business under atack
[11:45] <BUGabundo_remote> I'm not sure what CPUs will be available for this kind of devices
[11:45] <BUGabundo_remote> joaopinto: alread seen one
[11:45] <BUGabundo_remote> http://p.bugabundo.net/ipad-knockoff-upgraded-with-android-21-and-la
[11:46]  * arand makes a new install and instantly wants to kick whomever came up with system bell response in terminal, especially the ubuntu replacement, brrr...
[11:47] <BUGabundo_remote> lol
[11:50] <arand> Well I guess it's at lest better than before when pcspkr blaste full volume through headphones, some laptop manufacturers must not think like normal people..
[12:04] <BUGabundo_remote> one of the things that makes me confusion
[12:04] <BUGabundo_remote> and I hope someone on the design team eventually gets
[12:04] <BUGabundo_remote> left sided menus/bars instead of top/bottom makes me move my mouse much more
[12:40] <zniavre> !wacom
[13:14] <cwillu_at_work> kicking me out of #ubuntu+1 like that... :p
[13:20] <BUGabundo_remote> hey hey hey... welcome back cwillu_at_work akgraner
[13:21]  * cwillu_at_work huggles
[13:21] <BUGabundo_remote> how are you both, my precious friends
[13:21] <BUGabundo_remote> ?
[13:21] <cwillu_at_work> I'm exhausted
[13:21] <cwillu_at_work> but I've found new bugs :)
[13:22] <cwillu_at_work> cups-pdf will cause all sorts of hilarity if you point it at /tmp, for instance
[13:22]  * yofel sighs
[13:23] <cwillu_at_work> and it mishandles its pathnames internally, and so nearly-silently fails to set permissions and ownership on the files and folders it creates if the path contains spaces or other characters that are normally quoted on the shell
[13:23] <yofel> not more bugs...
[13:23] <cwillu_at_work> I'm planning on patching those two myself, the moment I have a couple hours to sleep :p
[13:23] <cwillu_at_work> those aren't maverick specific though
[13:23] <yofel> I wanted to  do some bugsquad work before but already lost my motivation after looking at 2 bugs without packages...
[13:24] <cwillu_at_work> ya, I'm going to try to spend more time filing bugs with fixes attached this time around
[13:24] <cwillu_at_work> seems like it'd be a better use of my time
[13:24] <yofel> heh, I'm not talking about your bugs :P, everyone in here knows how to file high quality bugs
[13:24] <cwillu_at_work> :p
[13:24] <patdk-wk> where do I file to get ride of my bugs?
[13:24] <yofel> what get's exhausting are all those bugs that tell nothing...
[13:25] <cwillu_at_work> I know, but even then, a bug isn't a fix :)
[13:25] <patdk-wk> they are all over my kitchen :(
[13:25] <yofel> lol
[13:25] <cwillu_at_work> patdk-wk, file it upstream
[13:25] <yofel> rofl
[13:25] <patdk-wk> hehe
[13:26] <cwillu_at_work> okay, so how do I read a diff again?
[13:27] <cwillu_at_work> the +'s are the code that I want, but which is broken
[13:27] <cwillu_at_work> and the -'s are the code I don't want, but works fine
[13:27] <cwillu_at_work> right?
[13:27] <yofel> + means added - removed
[13:28] <cwillu_at_work> you hear that sound?  that's the sound of patdk-wk's bugs.  Now, do you hear that faint whistling behind the buzzing of his bugs?  _That's_ the sound of my joke flying over your head :D
[13:29] <cwillu_at_work> sorry, I get grumpy when I haven't slept in a while
[13:31] <arand> Speaking of diffs, is there an easy way to look at what changed _insid_ a line, when you've got +somelongline -somelongsline is there an easy way to single out the "s" in there, from a diff?
[13:32] <cwillu_at_work> arand, I think so, but I can't think of the name offhand
[13:32] <cwillu_at_work> bit of a special purpose thing
[13:54] <BUGabundo_remote> "bugs without packages..."
[13:54] <BUGabundo_remote> yofel: you day dreaming ?
[13:55] <yofel> well, I meant http://u.nu/5rgh9 - but the way I said it does sound like day draming ^^
[13:56] <BUGabundo_remote> cwillu_at_work: overworking again?
[13:56] <yofel> *dreaming
[13:56] <cwillu_at_work> grumble grumble :p
[13:56] <BUGabundo_remote> doing another batch of 72h straight?
[13:56] <cwillu_at_work> no, just 20 hours right now
[13:56] <BUGabundo_remote> bah
[13:56] <cwillu_at_work> but I've got a bad feeling that my boss will want to bring me along on this site visit
[13:57] <cwillu_at_work> him:  "... and this is our genius programmer"  me:  "grwahh?"  customer: "!!??"
[13:58] <BUGabundo_remote> LOL
[13:58] <BUGabundo_remote> "genius"
[13:59] <BUGabundo_remote> are you sure he was refering to you ?
[13:59] <cwillu_at_work> yes.
[13:59] <cwillu_at_work> however
[13:59] <cwillu_at_work> up until a year ago, they advertised "programming and application development", thinking that that referred to the configuration of their hardware
[13:59] <cwillu_at_work> as opposed to, you know, writing programs
[14:01] <cwillu_at_work> made for some interesting conversations :p
[14:01] <BUGabundo_remote> LOLOL
[14:01] <BUGabundo_remote> I bet
[14:02]  * cwillu_at_work kicks off a new rootfs image build
[14:02] <cwillu_at_work> in other news, zippy2 expansions boards make beagles even more fun to play with :)
[14:09]  * cwillu_at_work cancels the image build, pushes the updated libraries to the build-server's git repo, and starts the image build again, muttering the whole time
[14:36] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:37] <DingGGu> boot window :)
[16:03] <BUGabundo_remote> "Given the requirement to customise the Light versions for specific hardware, there won’t be a general-purpose downloadable image of Ubuntu Light on ubuntu.com."
[16:03] <BUGabundo_remote> booo
[16:05] <BUGabundo_remote> anyone knows how safe, or how incredibly stupid would be to put unity PPA onto my laptop?
[16:06] <BUGabundo_remote> https://edge.launchpad.net/~canonical-dx-team/+archive/une
[16:06] <shadeslayer> BUGabundo_remote: ive tried it
[16:06] <shadeslayer> BUGabundo_remote: all i get is a white screen in lucid
[16:06] <BUGabundo_remote> and?
[16:06] <BUGabundo_remote> ahah
[16:06] <BUGabundo_remote> lol
[16:06] <shadeslayer> after logging in... but i can start unity from gnome
[16:06] <BUGabundo_remote> we will have to ping didrocks for it then
[16:06] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:07] <shadeslayer> BUGabundo_remote: we have a nice discussion going on this at omgubuntu.com
[16:07] <shadeslayer> its not only me,alot of people have it
[16:07] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo_remote: i've got it running on maverick
[16:07] <Ian_Corne> works good
[16:07] <BUGabundo_remote> ohhh
[16:07] <BUGabundo_remote> so it workS?
[16:08] <Ian_Corne> yes
[16:08] <shadeslayer> BUGabundo_remote: not on lucid though
[16:08] <BUGabundo_remote> is it like ebox-standalone?
[16:08] <Ian_Corne> don't attach a 2nd screen tho ;-)
[16:08] <BUGabundo_remote> I couldn't care less abourt lucid, my mna
[16:08] <Ian_Corne> :D
[16:08] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[16:08] <Ian_Corne> and there's only lucid ppa
[16:08] <BUGabundo_remote> not ebox... the media center thingy
[16:09] <BUGabundo_remote> FAIL :)
[16:09] <shadeslayer> Ian_Corne: oh its in the official mav archives?
[16:09] <BUGabundo_remote> maybe LP is still no open to MM repo
[16:09] <Ian_Corne> ni
[16:09] <Ian_Corne> i just use the ludic ppa shadeslayer :p
[16:09] <shadeslayer> Ian_Corne: oh :)
[16:09] <BUGabundo_remote> Ian_Corne: so you just start it over gnome?
[16:09] <BUGabundo_remote> or does it replace metacity ?
[16:09] <shadeslayer> BUGabundo_remote: it doesnt :(
[16:10] <shadeslayer> i still get the gnome panel and stuff
[16:10] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo_remote: I start it from gdm
[16:10] <Ian_Corne> select that as the current session
[16:10] <shadeslayer> Ian_Corne: i get a white screen when i do that
[16:10] <shadeslayer> :P
[16:10] <Ian_Corne> on maverick?
[16:10] <shadeslayer> lucid
[16:11] <Pici> shadeslayer: Lucid support is in #ubuntu
[16:11] <BUGabundo_remote> let me update the repos
[16:11] <BUGabundo_remote> and install it
[16:11] <Ian_Corne> :p
[16:11] <BUGabundo_remote> Pici: you got him wrong
[16:11] <Pici> BUGabundo_remote: perhaps
[16:11] <Ian_Corne> It looks great on my netbook tho
[16:11] <BUGabundo_remote> we are talking about unity
[16:11] <shadeslayer> Pici: you just took that out of context :P
[16:11] <Pici> shadeslayer: yep :)
[16:11] <Ian_Corne> but the left bar could use some preference options
[16:11] <Ian_Corne> to scale it and such
[16:11] <BUGabundo_remote> sahaa
[16:11] <shadeslayer> Ian_Corne: seriously
[16:11] <BUGabundo_remote> pici still on auto bot :)
[16:11] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[16:12] <BUGabundo_remote> Ian_Corne: what's the meta package I need?
[16:12] <BUGabundo_remote> unity?
[16:12] <shadeslayer> BUGabundo_remote: unity
[16:12] <Pici> I'm not used to seeing this channel this active right after it opens :)
[16:12] <shadeslayer> yep
[16:12] <shadeslayer> Pici: hehe..
[16:12] <BUGabundo_remote> Pici: and it took TOOOO long to open
[16:12] <BUGabundo_remote> should have been a week sooner
[16:13] <Pici> BUGabundo_remote: tell that to the toolchain for failing to build so many times.
[16:13]  * patdk-wk spanks the toolchain
[16:13] <shadeslayer> ive never really understood what a toolchain is
[16:14] <patdk-wk> gcc, ld, .... all the stuff you need to build x, y, and z :)
[16:14] <shadeslayer> ah... so basically build-essential
[16:14] <patdk-wk> ya
[16:15] <shadeslayer> btw does ubuntu sync new packages with debian till we hit archive freeze?
[16:15] <BUGabundo_remote> http://identi.ca/group/unity
[16:15] <BUGabundo_remote> there :)
[16:16] <BUGabundo_remote> now I need an avatar
[16:17] <patdk-wk> what is it with everyone needing blue people these days?
[16:18] <BUGabundo_remote> blue?
[16:18] <patdk-wk> the movie :)
[16:19] <BUGabundo_remote> I saw it
[16:19] <BUGabundo_remote> but I don't follow your reasoning
[16:19] <patdk-wk> now I need an avatar (a blue person from pandora)
[16:19]  * patdk-wk thinks he is running this into the ground
[16:20] <shadeslayer> is there a graphical way to check how much ill have to download as upgrades?
[16:20] <Ian_Corne> shadeslayer: yes update-manager informs you of that
[16:21] <shadeslayer> Ian_Corne: and it depends on my mirror?
[16:22] <BUGabundo_remote> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[16:22] <BUGabundo_remote>   indicator-datetime{a} libclutk-0.3-0{a} libdbusmodel0{a} libgee2{a} libgirepository1.0-0{a} liblauncher-0.3-0{a} libmutter-private0{a} libunity-misc0{a} libwncksync0{a} mutter{a} mutter-common{a}
[16:22] <BUGabundo_remote>   ubuntu-netbook-unity-default-settings{a} unity unity-asset-pool{a} wncksyncdaemon{a}
[16:22] <BUGabundo_remote> 0 packages upgraded, 15 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded.
[16:22] <BUGabundo_remote> Need to get 3,063kB of archives. After unpacking 13.0MB will be used.
[16:22] <patdk-wk> shadeslayer, only what packages need upgrading are controlled by the mirror
[16:22] <patdk-wk> depending on how up-to-date the mirror is
[16:22] <shadeslayer> gah.... my mirror is one week behind \o.
[16:23] <shadeslayer> \o/
[16:23] <BUGabundo_remote> lol
[16:23] <BUGabundo_remote> that's why I have 2 or 3 mirrors in my sources.list
[16:23] <BUGabundo_remote> including MAIN in the last option
[16:23] <jpds> NOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
[16:23]  * BUGabundo_remote RUNSSSSS
[16:24]  * BUGabundo_remote runs FASTER
[16:24]  * BUGabundo_remote looks around for jpds
[16:24] <BUGabundo_remote> what did I do wrong this time!?
[16:24] <BUGabundo_remote> $ pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list   http://paste.ubuntu.com/431165/
[16:25] <jpds> shadeslayer: Which mirror are you using?
[16:25] <jpds> BUGabundo_remote: The fact that you're still using the main ones.
[16:25] <shadeslayer> jpds: official indian mirror
[16:26] <shadeslayer> jpds: which is this one : https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/ubuntuarchive.hnsdc.com-archive
[16:26] <Ian_Corne> i'm using gaosu
[16:26]  * patdk-wk just uses us.archive.ubuntu.com
[16:26] <Ian_Corne> gaosu is an awesome mirror!
[16:26] <BUGabundo_remote> jpds: I *always* used main !
[16:26] <jpds> shadeslayer: Oh my god, they are a week behing.
[16:26] <shadeslayer> BUGabundo_remote: i switched from fearing bandwidth problems with it
[16:26] <shadeslayer> jpds: yeah :(
[16:26] <BUGabundo_remote> which one should I ?
[16:27] <Ian_Corne> let the tool select it?
[16:27] <Ian_Corne> or gaosu.rave.org
[16:27] <BUGabundo_remote> which tool?
[16:27] <Ian_Corne> which is just awesome!
[16:27] <jpds> Ian_Corne: You at UDS?
[16:27] <BUGabundo_remote> I do it by hand in sources.list
[16:27] <Ian_Corne> jpds: no, I didn't have time for it this week :(
[16:28] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo_remote: software sources in System -> Admin ->
[16:28] <jpds> Ian_Corne: Oh, that's a shame.
[16:28] <BUGabundo_remote> GUI??? ewwwww
[16:28] <Ian_Corne> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/infogroep-archive
[16:29] <Ian_Corne> jpds: I recalled asking if they were being taped
[16:29] <jpds> Ian_Corne: Some sessions are videos.
[16:29] <jpds> videod*
[16:30] <BUGabundo_remote> you just invented a word
[16:30] <Ian_Corne> weird that 32 bit is more behind then 64 bit :p
[16:31] <Ian_Corne> comon Jeeves_ ! :p
[16:36] <shadeslayer> jpds: heh.. 66 MB of updates
[16:44] <gnomefreak> be cafeful upgrading dist* will remove some helpful packages
[16:45] <gnomefreak> but i also dont advise you upgrade anyway its safer to run a chroot. i have ~6 installs so 1 down dont hurt me
[16:47] <shadeslayer> 0_o
[16:51] <shadeslayer> weird... i have hal in 10.04.... thats like a bug :P
[16:58] <gnomefreak> shadesla1er: no it isnt
[16:58] <gnomefreak> try removing it :)
[16:58] <shadeslayer> gnomefreak: really?
[16:58] <gnomefreak> i thought some things werent de halified
[16:58] <shadeslayer> mmm
[16:59] <gnomefreak> remove it see what it does. i dont want to screw up more than i already did yet
[16:59] <shadeslayer> gnomefreak: did you try removing it?
[16:59] <shadeslayer> i have only one machine :P
[17:00] <gnomefreak> shadeslayer: no i havent but i can in a minute or 2
[17:00] <shadeslayer> gnomefreak: http://paste.ubuntu.com/431186/
[17:01] <gnomefreak> now you see why. but i dont have *-desktop packages anymore and i cant fix it yet
[17:02] <gnomefreak> thoggen wants to leave too
[17:02] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:02] <gnomefreak> i would wait for UDS to end since its not urgent
[17:03] <shadeslayer> yeah :)
[17:03] <gnomefreak> shadeslayer: might i suggest finishing your upgrade :)
[17:03] <shadeslayer> hehe.. yeah im upgrading right now :)
[17:03] <shadeslayer> 10 more mins
[17:03] <gnomefreak> update-notifier has screwed me up and i dont even want it :(
[17:04] <shadeslayer> gnomefreak: heh..weird thing is removing hal doesnt remove libhal :P
[17:05] <gnomefreak> shadeslayer: some apps still use hal. not sure why but i havent tried since i need it atm maybe we can drop it this cycle
[17:06] <shadeslayer> gnomefreak: yeah probably.. 10.10 will probably not have hal by default
[17:07] <gnomefreak> shadeslayer: this is why it hasnt been dropped yet http://paste.ubuntu.com/431188/
[17:07] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[17:07] <Pici> Some people have complained that Ubuntu fails to boot fully if they remove HAL.
[17:07] <gnomefreak> it was removed from ubuntu-desktop, everyone else is moving slow
[17:08] <shadeslayer> gnomefreak: kubuntu-desktop still has a dep on it
[17:08] <gnomefreak> laptop-mode-tools would be a good reason
[17:08] <gnomefreak> shadeslayer: all *-desktop does except ubuntu-desktop
[17:08] <gnomefreak> atleast the major ones
[17:09] <gnomefreak> Pici: the laptop and the gnome-power-manager could caus ethat
[17:09] <shadeslayer> jpds: will you contact the mirror admin or should i?
[17:11] <jpds> shadeslayer: It would be better if you as an affected user did, or he'll think I'm nagging him. ;)
[17:11] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:12] <BUGabundo_remote> jpds: but you are paid to nag
[17:12] <jpds> BUGabundo_remote: No.
[17:12] <Ken8521> so any major isssues w/ Maverick yet?
[17:13] <BUGabundo_remote> none
[17:13] <BUGabundo_remote> other then the usual broken depencices
[17:13] <Ian_Corne> I've got irb and ruby atm being broken :p
[17:14] <shadeslayer> beh.. do-release-upgrade --devel-release  --check-dist-upgrade-only
[17:14] <shadeslayer> does nothing
[17:15] <kklimonda> upgrades will be enabled after alpha1 is released
[17:15] <shadeslayer> kklimonda: :(
[17:15] <kklimonda> till then you can just change sources.list entries and do aptitude dist-upgrade
[17:15] <shadeslayer> kklimonda: so i have to manually replace sources?
[17:15] <shadeslayer> ohk
[17:15] <BUGabundo_remote> shadeslayer: sed your sources
[17:16] <BUGabundo_remote> or just use mine :)
[17:16] <BUGabundo_remote> $ pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list   http://paste.ubuntu.com/431165/
[17:16] <Ken8521> what's this "new feature" tats n the right side, where the buttons used to be?
[17:16] <shadeslayer> im replacing :P
[17:18] <BUGabundo_remote> Ken8521: Unity
[17:19] <Ken8521> BUGabundo_remote, whats that?
[17:20] <BUGabundo_remote> Ken8521: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/383
[17:24] <Ken8521> gnn
[17:24] <BUGabundo_remote> ??
[17:24] <shadeslayer> cnn?
[17:24] <Ken8521> *hmm...lol
[17:24] <shadeslayer> :P
[17:25] <shadeslayer> theres a OS in a bollywood pic called unity :P
[17:25] <shadeslayer> you can run software from debian,suse,win,mac.. etc all at once
[17:27] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/431197/
[17:29] <cwillu> BUGabundo_remote, they let me go home! \o/
[17:30] <BUGabundo_remote> \W/
[17:33] <cwillu> and my new expensive sd card hasn't blown up after seventy thousand writes to the same file :)
[17:33] <cwillu> (with a sync after each write)
[17:33] <cwillu> (none of this caching-invalidating-my-tests nonsense)
[17:35] <metalf88011> where can I find good documentation on which graphics cards have good open source drivers?
[17:37] <BUGabundo_remote> eheh
[17:37] <BUGabundo_remote> good luck
[17:37] <BUGabundo_remote> the closest I came to, was to ask in #ubuntu-x which drivers weree known to support what
[17:38] <BUGabundo_remote> I _tried_ to make a wiki page
[17:38] <BUGabundo_remote> but then realized how volatil that info is during a devel release
[17:40] <metalf88011> BUGabundo_remote ok thanks
[17:42] <cwillu> metalf88011, ati and intel are the best bets;  generally support only improves with time
[17:43] <cwillu> if you don't need 3d support, nouveaux (open nvidia driver) is becoming usable
[17:43] <cwillu> http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATIRadeon is generally fairly up to date
[17:44] <cwillu> and we track it fairly closely;  even though our default drivers don't get massively updated during the lifetime of a release, there's a couple different ppa's which have more recent builds from upstream, right up to a nightly build
[17:46]  * patdk-wk has liked the intel ones
[17:46] <patdk-wk> little annoying sometimes to get the res you want, but generally works good
[17:46] <cwillu> res hasn't been an issue since xrandr 1.2, aside from some detection issues
[17:46] <cwillu> nothing like the old days where you needed to hack the bios to set a non-standard res :)
[17:47] <metalf88011> cwillu thank you I'll check that out
[17:57] <mikebeecham> hi guys...maybe not the right room, but let's give it a go.  I installed Kubuntu alongside Gnome recently, but didnt like it.  I uninstalled Kubuntu completely, but it's left my pointer themes looks VERY bad...is there anyway I can reinstall the pointer themes
[18:02] <BUGabundo_remote> $home.i(go);
[18:15] <joaopinto> mikebeecham, not the right room, #ubuntu for support
[18:16] <mikebeecham> joaopinto: thanks
[18:31] <ratcheer> Hi, everybody. I just got my testing partition upgraded to 10.10. For now, I am sticking with the nouveau driver. Man, MM boots and gets the desktop up fast!
[18:35] <ratcheer> MM ended up with three broken packages and aptitude removed them. Two of them were gnome-desktop and tomboy, I don't remember the other one. But, everything seems to work fine.
[18:40] <gnomefreak> update-notifier?
[19:06] <mandara> when will be the best time to upgrade to Maverick? Alpha1?
[19:13] <ratcheer> mandara: I would not upgrade my main system that I use until at least RC. Upgrade into a testing partition if you just want to play around or test MM.
[19:13] <Ian_Corne> And don't share /home
[19:17] <mandara> ratcheer, I am ok with occasionaly crashing. broke my system few times with nvidia driver but always managed to fix it somehow
[19:17] <Ian_Corne> well, there's not much new atm
[19:18] <Ian_Corne> just the regular dependecy problems
[19:18] <mandara> of course I always make backup before.
[19:18] <ratcheer> mandara: Ok,whatever floats your boat. Just be warned.
[19:20] <mandara> Ian_Corne, yup, nothing new. Will wait probably for Alpha1
[19:20] <Ian_Corne> If you're eager to help, you can enable lucid-proposed I think
[19:21] <Ian_Corne> and that'll help the current fixed
[19:21] <mandara> have that enabled already
[19:22] <Ian_Corne> ok :)
[20:24] <acicula> are there daily live iso's yet? current still points to 10.04 lts release iso's of 29th april. testdrive fetches nonexisting maverick daily live's
[20:31] <gnomefreak> acicula: no not yet most liklely not until after UDS
[20:45] <acicula> ah ok, thanx
[23:24] <BUGabundo> (2010-05-10 23:23:28) fta: the dailies will build for maverick starting from now
[23:24] <BUGabundo> WOOT
[23:36] <BUGabundo> (2010-05-10 23:28:59) Sarvatt: this X mess in maverick is going to take awhile to clean up, I was merging libx11 since it has the silly klingon change but there are a ton of libs waiting to go through NEW that have to be done one at a time with the udeb changes
[23:36] <BUGabundo> (2010-05-10 23:30:02) Sarvatt: not to mention all the drivers were synced and require xserver-xorg-dev (>= 2:<IP_ADDRESS>1) that needs merging too
[23:38] <kklimonda> heh, welcome to the new cyclr
[23:39] <Sarvatt> i think you read into what I said a bit much, nothings published so its not going to break anything man :D
[23:39] <BUGabundo> great
[23:39] <kklimonda> Sarvatt: hey, new development cycle is all about breaking stuff :)
[23:39] <kklimonda> Sarvatt: if you don't break anything then you make BUGabundo sad ;)
[23:40] <BUGabundo> :(
[23:43] <DanaG> ooh, the channel is open already.
[23:43] <DanaG> Meerkat.... reminds me of "Hakuna Matata".
[23:47] <BUGabundo> welcome back DanaG
[23:47] <BUGabundo> we missed your ranting :)
[23:48] <arand> Always bothers me when they choose three-syllable nicknames.
[23:49] <DanaG> Anyway, any rants about nvidia 96 will be gone now... that beast's been shipped off to the opposite coast. =þ
[23:55] <BUGabundo> arand: who does?
[23:58] <arand> BUGabundo: who what? chooses nicknames? sabdfl I guess? (I'm talking about Maverick being 3-syllable and generally uncomfortable as a mascot name, as was intrepid...)
[23:59] <BUGabundo> aahh


[00:04] <lhavelund> !offtopic
[00:05] <lhavelund> +1.
[02:51] <Flannel> popey: You don't want to do that though, your signal to noise ratio goes down
[02:51] <Flannel> Also, did someone ask for ubottu to stop doing that?
[05:01] <maco> ipc in -ot is swearing after being told off for it
[05:01] <maco> IdleOne, Flannel ??
[05:02] <IdleOne> yes
[05:02] <maco> IdleOne: are you a -ot op?
[05:02] <IdleOne> I don't have ops in -ot
[05:02] <maco> oh oops
[05:02] <IdleOne> funkyHat: ping
[05:02] <IdleOne> txwikinger ping
[05:04] <IdleOne> maco: I believe elky does
[05:16] <Flannel> maco: I'm here
[05:16] <maco> Flannel: too late. tony got it
[05:16] <Flannel> Ah, as is Mr Yarusso
[05:16] <IdleOne> hmm tony?
[05:16] <IdleOne> first name basis
[05:16] <maco> tonyyarusso
[05:17] <IdleOne> lol
[05:17]  * IdleOne is silly
[05:17] <maco> actually, there's this commercial where the tagline is "Tony's got it!" so i was thinking of that
[05:17] <maco> for like a year i read tonyyarusso as "tonya russo"
[06:28] <dvinchi> hi me podrian kitar el ban?
[06:28] <IdleOne> dvinchi: do you speak english?
[06:29] <dvinchi> IdleOne, no speak ingles
[06:30] <IdleOne> que canal?
[06:33] <IdleOne> dvinchi: entra in #ubuntu-irc i ablas con un op de #ubuntu-es
[06:37] <dvinchi> me podrian kitar el ban de ubuntu-es
[06:38] <dvinchi> ??
[06:38] <dvinchi> please
[06:38] <bazhang> dvinchi, not here
[06:38] <bazhang> dvinchi, /join #ubuntu-irc
[06:39] <IdleOne> dvinchi: tiennes que entrar in #ubuntu-irc por reglar este ban
[06:41] <IdleOne> dvinchi: Por favor, haga este canal.
[06:42] <dvinchi> ya fui ahi
[06:42] <dvinchi> pero nadie contesta
[06:42] <IdleOne> a hora tienne que esperar
[06:43] <IdleOne> pero no in este canal.
[06:43] <dvinchi> ok
[06:44] <bazhang> nice Spanish :)
[06:44] <IdleOne> err rusty
[06:44] <IdleOne> my spelling is way off
[06:44] <IdleOne> haven't spoken it in 1.5 yrs
[06:46] <IdleOne> My brother in law is from El Salvador but refuses to speak to me in Spanish :/
[06:46] <IdleOne> I have to go back to the US so I can speak in Spanish more
[06:46] <IdleOne> heh
[08:28] <xdpirate> why the hell do i keep getting redirected in here?!
[08:39] <IdleOne> Little hard to tell the motivation behind some bans without comments. I am guessing his ban was due to the /part message he chose.
[12:12] <jpds> ikonia: Dude, your friend's back in -server as Somoel?
[12:32] <ikonia> not again
[12:32] <ikonia> can someone with ops in -server please remove Somoel he is ban dodging
[12:33] <ikonia> and please put the bshellz.net ban in place as I've put on ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu/ubuntu-offtopic
[12:38] <ikonia> jussi: I've put a blanket ban on bzshells rather than just the one host as the admins do not wish to limit people to just signing up and getting another shell
[12:38] <ikonia> the conversations I've had with them, they don't really want to police users on their box, so I put a blanket ban in place, ala tor
[12:39] <jussi> ikonia: I want to have a chat about that issue with the rest of the ircc first.
[12:40] <ikonia> sure, but just be aware there is blanket bans in #ubuntu/#kubuntu/#xubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:40] <ikonia> I removed the shellium ones as the admin's are keen to keep their servers clean and policed
[13:26] <bazhang> wonder if that is happydonut (termtermterm)
[13:37] <bazhang> servertech bot run by servertechpro was banned as a repeater bot earlier (again banned)
[14:09] <txwikinger> IdleOne: pong
[14:16] <John-Smith> hello plz unbanned me in ubuntu-offtopic
[14:16] <ikonia> jungli - no
[14:16] <John-Smith> i dunno why i banned there ?
[14:16] <ikonia> you do
[14:16] <ikonia> please don't play dumb jungli
[14:17] <John-Smith> now i got the job and i stop trolling
[14:17] <ikonia> too late
[14:17] <ikonia> you joined this channel the other day, tried to troll me with "debian rocks | ikoina£ then left
[14:17] <ikonia> your behaviour is unacceptable, you will not be unbanned
[14:18] <John-Smith> plz sir kindly grant ny request
[14:18] <ikonia> no
[14:18] <bazhang> !appeals > John-Smith
[14:18] <John-Smith> now i am php devloper and i want to make my friend at there :)
[14:18] <ikonia> John-Smith: please follow the appeals process bazhang has just had ubottu pm you
[14:19] <ikonia> John-Smith: you will not be unbanned at this time,
[14:19] <John-Smith> ok sir as your wish but i am happy now :)
[14:19] <ikonia> ok, bye
[14:20] <Pici> ugh
[14:20] <bazhang> just joined #ubuntu
[14:20] <ikonia> he'll be fine
[15:31] <ikonia> good form pici
[15:31] <Pici> I hit the enter key pretty hard there :P
[15:32] <ikonia> make sure that ban sticks !
[16:06] <jpds>
[16:54] <Pici> lies
[18:37] <jpds> gr.archive DOWN.
[18:37] <Pici> Thanks for the heads up
[20:36] <ikonia> I thought the bot had been stopped messaging the channel ?
[20:50] <ikonia> jpds: what happened ?
[20:50] <jpds> Oh, packages.u.c.
[21:01] <ikonia> didn't sticky get kicked for debian comments the other day ?
[21:01]  * Pici shrugs
[21:02] <gnomefreak> what is sticky?
[21:02] <Pici> a stick?
[21:02] <IdleOne> a nick
[21:02] <ikonia> a user
[21:02] <ikonia> and BT disagrees with me
[21:02] <gnomefreak> oh
[21:33] <guntbert> what happened to my edit request for !releases?
[21:42] <ikonia> guntbert: give me a minute, I don't know about your request, but lets sort it out
[21:42] <ikonia> alkisg: hi there
[21:42] <alkisg> Hello
[21:42] <ikonia> what's up, and how can we help today
[21:43] <alkisg> I was just looking how can we add bots for #edubuntu, but I see highvoltage is an ubuntu-ops, so I guess we're ok :)
[21:43] <alkisg> ***not bots, facts
[21:43] <ikonia> which bot ?
[21:43] <alkisg> ubottu, but not bot, I mean just facts
[21:43] <alkisg> E.g. !setup-ltsp is  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/installLTSPlucid
[21:43] <ikonia> if you do !fact is = blah
[21:43] <ikonia> it will get submitted for addition
[21:44] <alkisg> Is this for all channels? Or can we have #edubuntu - specific facts?
[21:44] <ikonia> if you ask in edubuntu it gets forwarded and you can have an edubuntu only factoid,
[21:44] <ikonia> guntbert: you there ?
[21:45] <guntbert> ikonia: yes
[21:45] <ikonia> guntbert: want to give me a quick overview ?
[21:45] <alkisg> Is there some way to mark requests as edubuntu specific?
[21:45] <alkisg> (requests done from #edubuntu)
[21:45] <ikonia> alkisg: maybe drop in here and say "this is an edubuntu only factoid"
[21:45] <ikonia> other than that, I don't think so
[21:46] <ikonia> or you can do !no fact-#edubuntu is blah
[21:46] <guntbert> ikonia: of course - the releases factoid contains a broken link (http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases), I fond and provided a fix
[21:46] <ikonia> !releases
[21:46] <guntbert> *found
[21:46] <ikonia> guntbert: what's the link ?
[21:46] <alkisg> Thank you ikonia, I wouldn't want to bother people here much, so I'll make a list and ask when it's somewhat complete :)
[21:46] <ikonia> alkisg: it's no bother, always happy to help
[21:47] <guntbert> ikonia: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[21:47] <guntbert> the complete request was
[21:47] <guntbert> !no releases is reply Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[21:47] <ikonia> !no releases is <reply> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[21:47] <ikonia> darn it, jumped the gun
[21:48] <guntbert> releases
[21:48] <ikonia> guntbert: is what I've put acceptable ?
[21:48] <guntbert> !releases
[21:49] <ikonia> thank you hook
[21:49] <guntbert> ikonia: of course - I did the same thing - just replace one link with another
[21:49] <ikonia> cool
[21:49] <h00k> ikonia: you're welcome
[21:49] <ikonia> just checking
[21:49] <h00k> I joined just in time, apparently
[21:49] <ikonia> guntbert: saw you ask a few times, so all good now ?
[21:50] <guntbert> ikonia: all good now - I only wondered why it took two days for someone to fix it after I did the search already :-)
[21:51] <ikonia> sorry for being slow, I was a bit out of the loop on what you where asking
[21:51] <ikonia> I don't know what the delay was as I miseed the conversation, but someone can always change it to something better, I'd rather not have a broken link for such an important factoid though
[21:51] <ikonia> good eyes guntbert
[21:52] <guntbert> ikonia: no, please don't misunderstand - its perfectly ok to not immediately know what is the matter - I was talking about the team as a whole....
[21:52] <ikonia> guntbert: ~I'm sure it was a disscussion point, but as no-ones piped up to stop me, I'm sure if can be changed later if this a problem
[21:52] <ikonia> right, I'm away for a while,
[21:52] <ikonia> thanks
[21:52] <guntbert> ikonia: have a nice time and thx :-)
[22:17] <arrrghhh> why?
[22:17] <ikonia> arrrghhh: thanks for joining
[22:17] <ikonia> arrrghhh: it's only 2 minutes as I don't want to talk in #ubuntu
[22:17] <arrrghhh> pm?  meh.
[22:17] <ikonia> I totally understnad how frustrating it is when someone won't help themsevles, but you can't tell them to leave, or call them a lazy piece of .....
[22:18] <arrrghhh> when they're obviously being a you-know-what?
[22:18] <arrrghhh> i'm here to help, but not when people act like that.
[22:18] <maco> a non-technical end user?
[22:18] <ikonia> there obviously not computer familier, or a little ahead of their time
[22:18] <ikonia> arrrghhh: your a good helper, so I don't want you to have a problem in ubuntu, just walk away if it winds you up
[22:19] <arrrghhh> uhm that dude obviously was just being a jerk.
[22:19] <arrrghhh> perhaps you didn't read what he said...
[22:19] <ikonia> arrrghhh: what did I miss
[22:19] <ikonia> arrrghhh: I may have missed something
 arrrghhh: not wqhen you can do it for me
[22:19] <arrrghhh> in response to my link that i hand-fed him.
[22:19] <ikonia> arrrghhh: ok - so that's lazy and I'll speak to him about that
[22:20] <ikonia> that's not what helping is about,
[22:20] <arrrghhh> well it's not just lazy
[22:20] <ikonia> at the same time, you can't tell him to leave or call him a name
[22:20] <arrrghhh> excuse my french, but that's being a prick.
[22:20] <ikonia> arrrghhh: I agree, and I'll speak to him about it
[22:20] <arrrghhh> that's the thing, i didn't call him a name.  i agree i shouldn't have said lazy piece of... but i stopped short of actually calling him anything :P
[22:20] <ikonia> arrrghhh: I know, but we all know what you meant
[22:20] <maco> uh, actually i would say that you called him lazy
[22:21] <arrrghhh> well yea
[22:21] <arrrghhh> he is
[22:21] <arrrghhh> that's a fact
[22:21] <maco> which is calling him something
[22:21] <arrrghhh> wow... alrighty then.
[22:21] <ikonia> arrrghhh: everyone gets frustrated and loses it once in a while, so don't worry, just please (easier said than done) just walk away
[22:21] <arrrghhh> i'm fine
[22:21]  * maco recommends lolcats
[22:21] <arrrghhh> it's just when my help is met with that
[22:21] <arrrghhh> makes me a little upset
[22:21] <ikonia> arrrghhh: great, I know how frustrating that is
[22:21] <ikonia> it's easy to do,
[22:22] <ikonia> if you want to jump out of this channel and back into ubuntu, that's fine, I just wanted 2 minutes for you to calm down and see why you where getting spoken to about it,
[22:22] <arrrghhh> lol that's fine.  i knew why you were talking to me.
[22:22] <arrrghhh> i knew what i 'did wrong'.
[22:22] <ikonia> cool,
[22:24] <ikonia> arrrghhh: if you want to drop out of this channel, I'll talk to the other party now
[22:24] <arrrghhh> fine
[22:24] <ikonia> thanks
[22:24] <ikonia> arrrghhh: ?
[22:24] <arrrghhh> sorry wanted to see the topic of the channel
[22:24] <arrrghhh> wondering what it is for haha :P
[22:25] <ikonia> arrrghhh: as discussed please
[22:25] <ikonia> Emery: be with you in a moment
[22:25] <ikonia> thank you for joining
[22:25] <Emery> ok
[22:25] <arrrghhh> oh you want me to leave?  sorry.
[22:25] <ikonia> arrrghhh: thanks
[22:26] <Emery> ok so ?
[22:26] <ikonia> Emery: just wanted to talk to you about what just went on in #ubuntu
[22:26] <ikonia> first of all we've spoke to arrrghhh and explained he shouldn't have called you names or been so agressive, which he agress on , so no excuses there
[22:27] <ikonia> that said, the channl is full of people who give there time for free, and spend a lot of time helping people, so when there is a link on page saying "click here for detailed instructions" and someone points you at that, responding with "so you can do it for me" isn't really going to help build a positive relationship with them
[22:27] <Emery> ok
[22:28] <Emery> i responded with that due to his sarky comment
[22:28] <Emery> i had checked that link before hand
[22:28] <Emery> or i wouldn't of asked
[22:28] <ikonia> ok, so explaining that in your question may help people be more tollerent
[22:28] <ikonia> eg: I've read the link on how to install, but I'm stuck with X, Y and Z
[22:29] <Emery> well there are various ways i could of asked the question, granted.
[22:30] <Emery> but the response was far from acceptable
[22:30] <ikonia> I agree, and that's been delt with
[22:30] <Emery> and if he's a member of staff, then it's even worse
[22:30] <ikonia> it would just be a little more helpful if you could explain your question better so there is no missunderstanding and people will  be more tollerent
[22:30] <ikonia> he's not a member of the operator team
[22:31] <ikonia> if someone does respond with a negative comment, don't respond back with a sarcastic comment to futher provoke the situation
[22:31] <ikonia> that's all really
[22:31] <ikonia> help yourself get the answers by asking a good question, and not provoking a situation if one arises
[22:32] <ikonia> (I know it's easier said than done also )
[22:32] <Emery> to be honest i've been using linux for around 5 years i got abit lazy
[22:32] <ikonia> everyone does
[22:33] <ikonia> Emery: that's all I wanted to talk to you about really,
[22:34] <Emery> while im here though
[22:34] <ikonia> what's up ?
[22:34] <Emery> anywhere i can sign up to help with dev or anything ?
[22:34] <ikonia> Emery: there are tons of ways to contribute
[22:34] <ikonia> !contribute
[22:34] <ikonia> !motu
[22:35] <ikonia> take a look at those to get you started
[22:35] <Emery> im looking for somthing more than channel help
[22:35] <Emery> oki
[22:35] <ikonia> yes, check those links out
[22:35] <Emery> i shall
[22:35] <Emery> alot of spare timer between working at the moment
[22:36] <Emery> time*
[22:36] <ikonia> those links will get you started
[22:36] <Emery> alright :)
[22:36] <Emery> excuse me while i go for a smoke
[22:37] <ikonia> Emery: you're welcome to leave the channel now, as we have a non-idle policy
[22:37] <ikonia> (unless there is something else you need from the operator team)
[22:38] <Emery> sorry i was rolling a cig, will you be around for further assistance if needed?
[22:38] <ikonia> sure
[22:38] <ikonia> you're welcome to rejoin if you need something from us
[22:38] <ikonia> the team is normally active 24x7 and all can help
[22:38] <Emery> 1 more thing
[22:38] <ikonia> sure
[22:38] <Emery> i see ubuntu originated in ireland, that true?
[22:39] <ikonia> canonical was orginally setup in ireland, the history is on the canonical website
[22:39] <ikonia> there are a couple of staff members in here who probably knowbetter, but they don't seem active at the moment
[22:40] <Emery> right im going to dash finish my kubuntu installation, i'll be back later will you be able to provide those links for me again when i'm back
[22:40] <ikonia> Emery: you can check them yourself, hit !contribute and !motu in any channel with ubottu in
[22:40] <ikonia> Emery: or send a pm to the bot (it's called ubottu)
[22:40] <Emery> alright thanks for the help
[22:41] <ikonia> welcome
[23:01] <hgfgjfgffg> why am I banned form #kubuntu when I never was there before?
[23:01] <IdleOne> hgfgjfgffg: /join #kubuntu-proxy-users wait for the bot to grant access to #kubuntu usually only takes a few seconds
[23:02] <IdleOne> You sre welcome
[23:02] <IdleOne> are*
[23:03] <IdleOne> Can someone please reset the forward to #kubuntu-proxy-users in #kubuntu please.
[23:42] <ikonia> I've just removed it in #ubuntu by mistake, what an idiot
[23:44] <ikonia> great, now it won't set
[23:44] <ikonia> ahhh there we go
[23:45] <IdleOne> you removed it again in #ubuntu
[23:45] <ikonia> because it was wrong
[23:45] <ikonia> either chanserv is responding really really slow, or something is wrong
[23:47] <ikonia> it won't set ???
[23:48] <ikonia> it's the forward ??? it won't set with the forward on
[23:48] <IdleOne> hmm
[23:48] <IdleOne>  *!*@gateway/web/*#ubuntu-proxy-users is the proper ban?
[23:48] <ikonia> no
[23:48] <Pici> You need to be opped in -proxy-users to set it
[23:48] <ikonia> do you ??
[23:49] <Pici> yes
[23:49] <ikonia> I've never seen that before ?
[23:49] <Pici> The channel is not set +F
[23:49] <ikonia> that's odd, I can't op in proxy-users either ??
[23:49] <ikonia> I'm sure I used to be able to
[23:51] <ikonia> now it works, good spot pici
[23:51] <ikonia> I guess I'll need to be op'd in #kubuntu-proxy-users to change #kubuntu to
[23:51] <Pici> yes
[23:51] <ikonia> clearly I missed the memo on that part ;)
[23:52] <IdleOne> So if I understand this right, +F will allow a forward from any channel?
[23:52] <ikonia> not allow
[23:53] <ikonia> done #kubuntu
[23:53] <ikonia> bed time
[23:53] <ikonia> thanks Pici, nice spot
[23:53] <IdleOne> good night
[23:54] <IdleOne> and thank you ikonia
[23:56] <Pici> IdleOne: yep, goodnight
[23:56] <Pici> IdleOne: er, not you
[23:56] <Pici> ikonia: goodnight
[23:57] <IdleOne> Pici: so a channel set to +F could be abused
[23:57] <IdleOne> because it would accept forwards from any location
[23:59] <Pici> Yes.
[23:59] <Pici> IdleOne: but its useful for places like ##fix_your_connection


[12:26] <AdamH_> Gents, is there a known issue with screen rotation using mir/mir-kiosk? Seems to ignore virtual framebuffer settings
[13:09] <alan_g> AdamH_: screen rotation in Mir is controlled by the display configuration. What do you mean by "virtual framebuffer settings"?
[13:11] <AdamH_> Been using the following on Ubuntu Core on a rPi3 to  change the screen rotation but mir-kiosk doesn't use the same echo 3 | sudo tee /sys/class/graphics/fbcon/rotate_all
[13:12] <AdamH_> Will have to have a look at the snaps to see where I can change this in mir conf
[13:16] <alan_g> AdamH_: there's no config option in miral-kiosk to change the orientation. It would need a client (e.g. mirout) to set the orientation.
[14:05] <AdamH_> alan_g: Thanks will do some digging


[01:44] <ball> Is there a way to enable soft focus in Ubuntu's default window manager?
[01:45] <ball> (I think it's GNOME these days)