[00:12] <ghostx562> anyone know how to auto mount my second hdd on kubuntu 14.10?
[00:15] <andy123> ghostx562: is it permanently connected, e.g. by sata?
[00:15] <ghostx562> andy123: yes it is
[00:15] <andy123> you should list it in /etc/fstab
[00:15] <ghostx562> so try sudo gedit /etc/fstab?
[00:16] <andy123> yes
[00:16] <ghostx562> ok let me try it
[00:16] <andy123> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions
[00:16] <andy123> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions#Editing_Ubuntu.27s_filesystem_table
[00:17] <ghostx562> ah ok, i saw that on google but since i have kubuntu didn't know if it was the same
[00:17] <ghostx562> now i gotta find out how to remove the power indicator from above. im on a desktop and its showing a power plug thing like a laptop
[00:18] <ghostx562> gotta find uuid, ill post results in a bit
[00:19] <andy123> sudo blkid
[00:20] <ghostx562> ok
[00:21] <andy123> after editing fstab, you can use "sudo mount -a" to mount everything from fstab
[00:22] <andy123> this happens automatically at reboot
[00:23] <ghostx562> ok,
[00:23] <ghostx562> went from ubuntu to xubuntu and its still laggy lol i might have to try lubuntu
[00:25] <Tuxmax> do you have try kubuntu?
[00:30] <bprompt> hmm
[00:30] <andy123> lags may stem from different sources. If you have low RAM, lubuntu may be appropriate
[00:31] <bprompt> ghostx562:    that's usually not the desktop manager you're using, as opposed to the window manager.... you may very well, stick with ubuntu or xubuntu, and just install a light DM and WM, like lxde, and you don't need to do a whole reinstall, I run kubuntu, but my window manager is lxde
[00:32] <ghostx562> ok
[00:33] <ghostx562> bprompt, how do i know what i am running? i have 1.5 gb of ram and an older intel cpu running at 3ghz
[00:33] <bprompt> ghostx562:    and older intel, meaning a single core?
[00:33] <ghostx562> brpompt: i believe so
[00:34] <bprompt> ghostx562:     why not check with -> sudo lshw ;      see how much memory, what type, ddr2/ddr3?   and what cpu
[00:34] <ghostx562> ok 1 sec
[00:35] <bprompt> ghostx562:     but bear in mind that, newer *nix versions have more overhead, so 14.10  would have more overhead than say  12.04, which is what I run
[00:37] <ghostx562> intel celeron d, 3.33 ghz, 1.5 gb ram ddr
[00:39] <ghostx562> its an old pc lol
[00:42] <bprompt> ghostx562:    I'd consider 12.04 then =), ddr or ddr1, means is a bit of a slow clock, compared to ddr3 that is, I think ddr1 goes as high as 266mhz, as opposed to 800 or more
[00:42] <ghostx562> yeah, i saw 360 something mhz
[00:43] <deep> hello
[00:43] <bprompt> or stick with ubuntu 14.04 since it's an LTS anyhow...but run Lubuntu
[00:43] <bprompt> allo deep_
[00:43] <ghostx562> i had ubuntu 14.04 and it is even slower than this. i couldnt even get xchat open
[00:43] <deep_> any master of grub2 ?
[00:43] <deep_> I have a question
[00:44] <bprompt> ghostx562:     Lubuntu is lighter.....so, that should work I'd think and also once running see what services to disable if you don't need them
[00:45] <ghostx562> ok, im gonna get lubuntu and get that running. see if it helps (:
[00:46] <ghostx562> bprompt, do you know if i can make a bootable usb on kubuntu?
[00:46] <bprompt> ghostx562:    keep in mind that, 12.04 would be lighter than 14.04
[00:46] <ghostx562> yeah im getting 12.04
[00:46] <bprompt> ghostx562:     you mean.. download the iso, and burn it to an usb stick?
[00:47] <ghostx562> yeah, my pc doesn't have a cd drive
[00:49] <ghostx562> bprompt, did you mean 12.04 or 14.04?
[00:49] <ghostx562> because 12.04 has no support anymore
[00:50] <bprompt> ghostx562:      check in the menu,  > System > Startup Disk Creator    <---- or just run   " usb-creator-kde"  <---- it gives two a window with 2 sections, upper section, click on [Other] button and find the .iso you downloaded, lower section pick the usb stick you want to burn to
[00:50] <ghostx562> bprompt, ok will do
[00:50] <bprompt> ghostx562:     12.04 is LTS, so..... 2012 + 5 = 2017
[00:50] <ghostx562> ah ok sounds good (:
[00:54] <ghostx562> bprompt: comes back as unknown job
[00:55] <bprompt> hmm what does?
[00:55] <bprompt> ghostx562:    did you get the lubuntu 12.04 iso already?
[00:56] <ghostx562> bprompt: yes
[00:57] <bprompt> ghostx562:    ok... so... kde menu > system > startup disk creator   <--- see it?
[00:57] <ghostx562> not there
[00:57] <bprompt> hmm
[00:57] <ghostx562> only a task manager
[00:57] <bprompt> ok
[00:57] <bprompt> ghostx562:    so..... how about kde menu > run > "usb-creator-kde"  ?
[00:58] <ghostx562> nothing. shows red sign with line running thru it
[00:58] <bprompt> ok
[00:59] <ghostx562> im gonna check the software center see if i can find and install there
[00:59] <bprompt> ghostx562:      go to .... the konsole..... and type -> sudo fdisk -l;   <--- can you see your usb stick there?   where's at?   /dev/sdb ?  /dev/sdc?
[01:00] <ghostx562> found atartup disk creator
[01:00] <ghostx562> running now
[01:00] <bprompt> k
[01:04] <ghostx562> rebooting to install, ill come back to post results
[01:05] <bprompt> k
[01:53] <MattyP> Hi, what is the replacement of Nepomuk called does anyone know?
[02:54] <somekool> Vivid is superbe
[02:54] <rom1504> MattyP: baloo
[02:57] <MattyP> thank you
[09:05] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:06] <freespirit-girl> morning
[09:07] <lordievader> Hey freespirit-girl, how are you?
[09:14] <rydhwan> hello
[09:15] <lordievader> o/
[09:17] <rydhwan> im in vivid 15.04 plasma 5 download wallpapers not works
[09:18] <rydhwan> i have "loading of providers from file:http://download.kde.org failed
[09:19] <rydhwan> same in system setting
[12:50] <BluesKaj_> Howdy folks
[12:50] <monkeyjuice> morning BluesKaj_
[12:51] <BluesKaj_> 'Morning monkeyjuice
[12:51] <monkeyjuice> getting snow ?
[12:52]  * BluesKaj_ checks for snow
[12:56] <BluesKaj_> monkeyjuice, no snow yet, dark clouds tho
[12:56] <estacado> hi and happy new year all
[12:56] <BluesKaj_> needed another coffee
[12:57] <BluesKaj_> same to you estacado
[13:00] <estacado> anybody using chrome remote desktop?
[13:04] <BluesKaj_> ot me
[13:04] <BluesKaj_> not me ")
[14:52] <rydhwan> hello
[14:52] <rydhwan> im in vivid 15.04 plasma 5 download wallpapers not works
[14:53] <rydhwan> i have "loading of providers from file:http://download.kde.org failed
[14:53] <rydhwan> same in system setting
[14:58] <MoonUnit`> didn't work for me either when i tried
[15:00] <rydhwan> oh thanks
[16:10] <Guest31590> %
[16:48] <ericfawkes> ._.
[17:13] <Seporator> Hi all, can someone help me with Wine?
[17:36] <BluesKaj_> Seporator, ok, what's your wine issue?
[18:41] <sandarce> hi
[19:05] <Graf_Westerholt> !topic
[19:06] <Graf_Westerholt> sandarce https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FAQ ;)
[19:41] <sandarce> I need to know is it advisable to install Synaptic on Kubuntu 14.10
[19:42] <Graf_Westerholt> sandarce, no. You can use apt-get.
[19:44] <Dragnslcr> Muon is the default GUI package manager
[19:48] <Walex> sandarce: or you can compromise with 'aptitude'
[19:52] <sandarce> Which browser is known to have less stability issues on Kubuntu 14.10, Chrome or Chromium? Which one is advisable?
[19:54] <kubuntuplasma5> same codebase, chrome has some extra privacy invading features which can be turned off
[19:54] <kubuntuplasma5> go for chromium
[19:54] <Graf_Westerholt> sandarce, use Mozilla SeaMonkey.
[19:55] <BluesKaj_> sandarce, I use chrome now since it has flash that actually works properly
[19:55] <Graf_Westerholt> Nobody needs the insecure adobe flash player.
[19:55] <BluesKaj_> chromium pepper flash is iffy
[19:56] <Graf_Westerholt> Nobody needs Flash.
[19:56] <BluesKaj_> Graf_Westerholt, that's just your opinion , please stick to the facts
[19:56] <kubuntuplasma5> learn to listen to questions if you intend to answer
[19:59] <Graf_Westerholt> Right, it is a good way to support a proprietary software that does not support Linux. Great idea.
[20:00] <Graf_Westerholt> Let’s all switch to Windows then.
[20:02] <BluesKaj_> go ahead Graf_Westerholt, be my guest, switch to windows if you must :)
[20:02] <bprompt> Graf_Westerholt:   nothing wrong with flash, even though the firm's decision has been whatever it has been
[20:02] <Graf_Westerholt> …
[20:04] <BluesKaj_> kubuntuplasma5__, check your internet connection please
[20:11] <adrian_> hello
[20:13] <adrian93> I don have icons on desktop,any ideas?
[20:13] <adrian93> *don't
[20:14] <adrian93> does not appear
[20:17] <BluesKaj_> godfather1, I don't bother wiith desktop icons , quicklaunch is more accessiable with icon favs in the panel quicklaunch
[20:18] <BluesKaj_> and an icon only taskbar to keep track of what's open
[20:19] <adrian_> well i'm a bit old school,i'm used with thrm on desktop.When i started pc i saw just the wallpaper on desktop.Weird..
[20:20] <adrian_> i tried dconf,but nothing....
[20:20] <bprompt> adrian_:    fresh install?  usually there may be one or two... either way.. you can just go to the kde menu and on to any of the apps and right-click it and choose "show on desktop", or just drag-drop to the desktop
[20:23] <adrian_> the weird thing is that happened not after an update,but suddenly when starting pc
[20:24] <adrian_> didnt't happened right after the last update,but after a week
[20:25] <adrian_> dragging to desktop does'nt work also
[20:25] <adrian_> *doesn't
[20:30] <adrian_> ideas?Disappeared:desktop icons,Reward.... :D\
[20:30] <adrian_> :D
[20:34] <adrian_> Well,thanks for answers...
[20:34] <adrian_> bye
[23:28] <sandarce> Can someone tell me do I really need iBus on Kubuntu 14.10 and how did this icon suddenly appear on my system tray today? Is it safe to remove?
[23:28] <SonikkuAmerica> sandarce: It depends on what input method you use...
[23:33] <sandarce> I use three different keyboard layouts and the KDE Control Module does the job quite well. Today this second icon appeared out of nowhere showing only US.
[23:36] <sandarce> So, is it safe to remove this iBus from the system?


[19:47] <LocutusOfBorg> hello
[19:47] <LocutusOfBorg> autopkgtest for node-d3-transition/1.3.2-3: amd64: Pass, arm64: Regression ♻ , armhf: Pass, i386: Ignored failure, ppc64el: Pass, s390x: Pass
[19:47] <LocutusOfBorg> that node-d3-transition is regressed in release on arm64... Hint please?
[20:21] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, ^^ maybe pleeeeeeeeease?
[22:59] <mwhudson> i feel cursed
[22:59] <mwhudson> https://launchpad.net/~mwhudson/+livefs/ubuntu/impish/test/+build/283961 ->
[22:59] <mwhudson> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[22:59] <mwhudson>  gnome-calendar : Depends: libhandy-0.0-0 (>= 0.0.9) but it is not installable
[22:59] <mwhudson> need some more promotions?
[23:01] <mwhudson> looks like https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libhandy got demoted before all rdeps migrated out of proposed?
[23:01] <mwhudson> ubuntu-archive: halp (again)
[23:54]  * RAOF looks
[23:54] <RAOF> mwhudson: libhandy-1 *is* in main; does gnome-calendar need to be transitioned to the stable release of libhandy?
[23:54] <RAOF> Because I'm not sure we want both libhandy-1-0 and and libhandy-0-0 in main?
[23:54] <RAOF> (I mean, ideally I guess we wouldn't have libhandy-0-0 at all)
[23:55] <mwhudson> RAOF: there is a gnome-calendar in proposed that depends on the right one, i think?
[23:55] <mwhudson> i suppose i could look at why that is not migrating
[23:56] <mwhudson> uh seems to come down on postfix failing tests
[23:56] <mwhudson> no postfix not migrating because *mailman3* is failing tests
[23:56] <mwhudson> what are the chances this is just a hint that needs updating
[23:57] <mwhudson> hmm
[23:58]  * mwhudson tries to trigger a test against the mailman3 in release
[23:58] <mwhudson> autopkgtest [23:02:07]: test mailman3-api: -----------------------]
[23:58] <mwhudson> mailman3-api         FAIL non-zero exit status 7
[23:58] <mwhudson> autopkgtest [23:02:09]: test mailman3-api:  - - - - - - - - - - results - - - - - - - - - -


[00:48] <ahoneybun> hello all
[02:40] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: what do you think of the google+ page?
[03:24]  * smartboyhw continues to fix kactivites..........
[03:24] <ahoneybun> kactivites
[03:24] <ahoneybun> ?
[03:25] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun, 4.11 Beta 1....
[03:25] <smartboyhw> Ohm it worked now.\
[03:26] <smartboyhw> Lemme try kde-workspace then...
[03:26] <ahoneybun> never heard of kactivites
[03:26] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun, kactivities
[03:27] <smartboyhw> kde-workspace is  missing some XCB libraries ...
[03:48] <smartboyhw> Fixed, uploading to Ninjas PPA, will review after lunch.
[03:52] <smartboyhw> rather, post-piano lesson...
[06:06] <jussi> hrrrr... I hate you scanner!!! (yes, it works in one place, not the other...)
[06:10] <jussi> ahh found the answer. Perhaps we need to somehow make it easier/more discoverable? for users of hp printers - you need to follow these instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HpAllInOne
[06:10] <jussi> simple enough, but frustrating if you just go to the printers thing
[06:16] <valorie> jussi - might be good to make a ubottu factoid link for that page? I've seen another person asking about one of those allinones, and I never found that page for them
[06:16] <valorie> :(
[06:16] <jussi> valorie: feel free to suggest...
[06:17] <valorie> jussi: how does one suggest/add one?
[06:18] <valorie> huh, ubottu has no 'help factoid'
[06:18] <jussi> valorie: !factoidname is <reply>info
[06:18] <jussi> !help
[06:19] <valorie> !hp
[06:19] <valorie> !hp is HP printers: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HpAllInOne
[06:20] <valorie> danke jussi
[06:29] <soee> good morning
[06:38] <ScottK> jussi: I have an all-in-one connected to the network and I didn't have to do any of that.  Just followed the normal printer install stuff and it just works.
[06:39] <jussi> ScottK: HP ?
[06:39] <ScottK> Yes.
[06:40] <ScottK> OfficeJet Pro 8500
[07:11] <shadeslayer> jussi: yeah, scanning doesn't work OOB with the all in one's for me as well
[07:11] <shadeslayer> jussi: I had to run hp-setup and then it worked
[07:13] <jussi> shadeslayer: yeah, thats exactly how it worked for me
[07:13] <shadeslayer> yup, same here, skanlite didn't find any scanners on the network
[07:14] <jussi> ScottK: when you say "normal printer install stuff" - can you define exactly what you mean. ie. localhost:631, Kubuntu printer install thing, HP-lip program?
[08:05] <smartboyhw> Damn it, kde-workspace still fails.
[08:06] <smartboyhw> the include file (/me checks debian/rules or something)
[08:08] <shadeslayer> hm?
[08:11] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, of libxcb1-dev
[08:12] <yofel> morning
[08:12] <shadeslayer> morning :)
[08:12] <smartboyhw> Morning yofel trying to fix kde-workspace but the libxcb1-dev got an XCB_INCLUDE_DIR problem...
[08:12] <shadeslayer> yofel: btw what did you change in kde4libs to make it build?
[08:12] <shadeslayer> I just see symbol updates
[08:13] <yofel> shadeslayer: I fixed qtwebkit-source...
[08:13] <shadeslayer> ah
[08:13] <yofel> that had a broken dev symlink
[08:13] <yofel> smartboyhw: are all the xcb libs there?
[08:13] <shadeslayer> armhf is FTBFS there
[08:13]  * yofel looks at the buld log
[08:13] <smartboyhw> yofel, we need all?
[08:13] <smartboyhw> I thought libxcb1-dev is OK.
[08:14] <smartboyhw> And clearly some XCB extensions are not packaged.
[08:14] <yofel> -- Could NOT find XCB_KEYSYMS (missing:  XCB_KEYSYMS_LIBRARIES XCB_KEYSYMS_INCLUDE_DIR)
[08:14] <yofel> -- Could NOT find XCB_ICCCM (missing:  XCB_ICCCM_LIBRARIES XCB_ICCCM_INCLUDE_DIR)
[08:14] <yofel> at least ICCCM is there, I know that
[08:14] <smartboyhw> yofel, which package? Can't find in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxcb
[08:14] <yofel> XCB is only found once all components are found
[08:15] <smartboyhw> yofel, oh...
[08:15] <yofel> libxcb-icccm4-dev
[08:15] <yofel> and libxcb-keysyms1-dev
[08:15]  * shadeslayer starts looking at other things
[08:15] <yofel> you could also look at the neon packaging branches, those already use them
[08:15] <smartboyhw> Ah, it was in another package.....
[08:15] <smartboyhw> *source package
[08:16] <smartboyhw> that's why me can't find..
[08:16] <yofel> udev and wayland are missing too
[08:20] <smartboyhw> That's a lot of build-deps
[08:31] <yofel> shadeslayer: re qtwebkit armhf, that's a gcc bug, no?
[08:31] <smartboyhw> Uploading fix for kde-workspace into ninjas PPA.
[08:33] <shadeslayer> didn't check
[08:34] <yofel> /build/buildd/qtwebkit-source-2.3.1/Source/WebCore/svg/SVGPathElement.h:98:23: internal compiler error: in extract_insn, at recog.c:2154
[08:34] <shadeslayer> The bug is not reproducible, so it is likely a hardware or OS problem.
[08:34] <shadeslayer> what
[08:34] <smartboyhw> :O
[08:41] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: plz update notes.kde.org so that we don't step on each others toes
[08:42] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yeah sure:)
[08:42] <shadeslayer> thanks
[08:43] <smartboyhw> done.
[08:47] <smartboyhw> Hmm I think I added an extra m or something...
[08:47] <smartboyhw> Damnit
[08:47] <yofel> $ grep MISSING debian/libnepomukwidgets4.symbols | wc -l
[08:47] <yofel> 237
[08:47] <yofel> yaaaaaaay...
[08:49] <smartboyhw> :O
[08:50]  * smartboyhw damningly wastes banwidth on this thing....
[08:51] <yofel> vHanda: what the hell have you done to Nepomuk2::Utils in nepomuk-widgets? Most of it looks gone
[08:52]  * smartboyhw goes and eats a cake....
[08:52] <smartboyhw> If this still doesn't work, it would be very damning.
[08:53] <yofel> nah, kde-workspace is always a lot of work
[09:01] <yofel> vHanda: hm, ok. I see that you never shipped headers for those so it's fine...
[09:04] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: just build kde-workspace locally first
[09:04] <yofel> "just"
[09:04] <shadeslayer> :P
[09:05] <smartboyhw> just:P
[09:05] <smartboyhw> Oh gd it failed again:P
[09:05] <smartboyhw> What? I did have udev and xmms...
[09:06] <smartboyhw> But seems like the problem wasn't actually that....
[09:06] <smartboyhw> -- DebianABIManager: unable to find CMake target 'solidcontrol' for package 'libsolidcontrol4abi2'. Please set X-CMake-Target
[09:06] <smartboyhw> -- DebianABIManager: unable to find CMake target 'solidcontrolifaces' for package 'libsolidcontrolifaces4abi2'. Please set X-CMake-Target
[09:06] <smartboyhw> ?
[09:06] <smartboyhw> I have to enable these packages?
[09:07] <yofel> urgh, DebianABIManager easily gets confused by our double-build of workspace
[09:08] <smartboyhw> meh
[09:08] <smartboyhw> I don't have xmms actually, let me enable
[09:08] <yofel> forget XMMS
[09:08] <smartboyhw> But they're optional....
[09:08] <smartboyhw> yofel, ?
[09:08] <smartboyhw> Ah, they are not in there...
[09:09] <yofel> smartboyhw: we don't use it
[09:09] <smartboyhw> yofel, OK.
[09:09] <yofel> so it's intentionally missing
[09:09] <smartboyhw> yofel, so how to dump that DebianABIManager error?....
[09:11] <yofel> smartboyhw: I would start by checking whether that target is there at all
[09:13] <shadeslayer> eh
[09:13] <shadeslayer> kate was never uploaded?
[09:13] <yofel> patch issues, no?
[09:13] <shadeslayer> ah
[09:14] <yofel> you put that list up :P
[09:14] <yofel> thank you akonadi/nepomuk for using 3 of my 4 cpu cores...
[09:14]  * smartboyhw tries to build locally (but first lemme install the build-deps first...
[09:14] <yofel> mail indexing it seems
[09:15] <shadeslayer> true, that doesn't mean my memory is strong at recalling why I put some of the items there :P
[09:19] <shadeslayer> eh, we have a kubuntu_kate_initial_preference.patch
[09:19] <shadeslayer> but that's not applied?
[09:21] <shadeslayer>   * Remove kubuntu_kate_initial_preference.patch now upstream
[09:21] <shadeslayer> ah well, someone forgot to remove it
[09:21] <shadeslayer> along with some other patches
[09:26]  * smartboyhw kicks off a build........
[09:30] <smartboyhw> Yep, still the same strange build target thing.
[09:35] <yofel> smartboyhw: not strange at all
[09:36] <yofel> smartboyhw: 4.10.80 doesn't have a solidcontrol library
[09:36] <yofel> so it obviously can't find the cmake target for it
[09:36] <smartboyhw> yofel, :O
[09:37] <smartboyhw> delete those two then!?
[09:37] <smartboyhw> (damnit)
[09:40] <yofel> probably, I'm still trying to find out exactly when that was removed
[09:40] <yofel> but my git foo is failing me
[09:41] <apachelogger> yofel: shadeslayer: so, where do we put the packaging?
[09:41] <shadeslayer> gitorious/github is fine
[09:41] <yofel> why github o.O?
[09:42] <yofel> what's wrong with kde/launchpad
[09:42] <shadeslayer> oh right
[09:42] <shadeslayer> launchpad is fine as well
[09:42] <apachelogger> yofel: you'd have to talk to kde, they may have a problem with it *shrug*
[09:42] <yofel> the workspace diff I see reminds me of something I picked up in opensuse-kde: https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/base/networkmanagement/repository/revisions/9a35e04121faafb2a95057f367925c165c3c3337
[09:42] <yofel> need to ask lamarque what that's about
[09:44] <yofel> apachelogger: then just use launchpad
[09:45] <apachelogger> lunchpad ftw
[09:46]  * yofel -> lunch
[09:46] <yofel> bbl
[09:47] <apachelogger> I made yofel hungry ^^
[09:47] <smartboyhw> LOL
[09:48] <smartboyhw> Hmm, I saw a commit on 19th June about removing solid::control
[09:48] <smartboyhw> yofel, you are correct, it's removed...
[09:51] <apachelogger> yofel, shadeslayer, Quintasan: what we'll have is lp:~neon/project-neon-kf5/qt5recipes (all qt recipes for buildr in one palce) - lp:~neon/project-neon-kf5/qtbase; lp:~neon/project-neon-kf5/qtgui; lp:~neon/project-neon-kf5/kdelibs (packaging) - lp:~neon/kdelibs/frameworks (bzr import branch) - qt5 will be cloned and source packaged outside of launchpad and uploaded to the ppa by buildr
[09:52] <apachelogger> !info muon
[09:52] <apachelogger> !info muon saucy
[09:53]  * smartboyhw rebuilds again.
[09:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/17/plasma-desktopbr2258.png has that view changed in master? and if so do we get a newer discover for saucy?
[09:54] <smartboyhw> It BUILDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:54]  * smartboyhw does a tap dance:P
[09:55] <shadeslayer> we have gnome-keyring in the ISO now :(
[09:55] <shadeslayer> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/pending/saucy-desktop-amd64.manifest
[09:55] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, why?
[09:55] <shadeslayer> because of muon-discover
[09:55] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, :O
[09:55] <smartboyhw> muon-discover requires gnome-keyring?
[09:55] <shadeslayer> no
[09:56] <smartboyhw> recommends?
[09:56] <shadeslayer> * muon-discover recommends ubuntu-sso-client depends python-ubuntu-sso-client depends on gnome-keyring
[09:56] <apachelogger> what's wrong with gnome-keyring?
[09:56] <smartboyhw> Ah................
[09:56] <smartboyhw> Actually, having gnome-keyring is better than not.
[09:56] <apachelogger> KDE has not managed to provide a secrets API implementation for what... 3 years now :O
[09:57] <smartboyhw> I sometimes get stupid gnome-keyring warnings:p
[09:57] <apachelogger> gsettings-desktop-schemas	3.8.0-1ubuntu1
[09:57] <apachelogger> that sounds less appropriate
[09:57] <apachelogger> actually
[09:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why libgtk2/3 are on the ISO is more interesting
[09:58] <shadeslayer> probably recommended by something
[09:58] <apachelogger> supposedly because of libdbusmenu-gtk3-4:amd64	12.10.3daily13.06.07-0ubuntu1
[09:58] <apachelogger> libdbusmenu-gtk4:amd64	12.10.3daily13.06.07-0ubuntu1
[09:58] <apachelogger> but who'd know
[09:58] <apachelogger> also
[09:58] <smartboyhw> I think I should go and take a shower while this kde-workspace builds (now 22%)
[09:58] <apachelogger> those packages sound like deep shit TBH
[09:58] <apachelogger> does ubuntu ship libdbusmenu-qt2?
[09:59] <apachelogger> then why do we need the gtk libs?
[09:59] <apachelogger> ...
[09:59] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[09:59] <shadeslayer> someone plz implement secret service stuffs in KWallet
[09:59] <smartboyhw> http://commits.kde.org/kde-workspace/c1bac37206b542198385067f36d47dead10297=
[09:59] <smartboyhw> a2
[09:59] <smartboyhw> the commit which killed off solidcontrol
[09:59] <smartboyhw> http://commits.kde.org/kde-workspace/c1bac37206b542198385067f36d47dead10297=a2 actually
[10:24] <smartboyhw> 27%, 2nd stage.
[10:28] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, BTW next time you don't have to explicitly state "saucy-proposed" for dev release uploads, write "saucy" and it will redirect it for you (saw the changelog in kde-workspace)
[10:28] <shadeslayer> which upload is this?
[10:29] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, 4.10.4 saucy.
[10:30] <shadeslayer> don't think that was me
[10:30] <smartboyhw> Or apachelogger ?
[10:30]  * smartboyhw easily forgets names
[10:30] <smartboyhw> ......
[10:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell I guess
[10:31] <smartboyhw> Damn it..
[10:31] <smartboyhw>  -- Rohan Garg<EMAIL_ADDRESS> Fri, 07 Jun 2013 00:19:37 +0100
[10:31] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, is it you?^
[10:31] <shadeslayer> yes, but, I usually don't upload to saucy-proposed
[10:31] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, ooh
[10:32] <shadeslayer> alrighty
[10:32] <shadeslayer> kate done as well
[10:32] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, \o/
[10:32] <smartboyhw> kde-workspace should be able to be uploaded within 1 hour or so.
[10:40] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: rev 766 in kde-workspace packaging
[10:40] <shadeslayer> -.-
[10:40] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, 15 years ago?  Can someone suggest solutions to http://paste.kde.org/775856/ ?
[10:48] <smartboyhw> Almost finally, and it failed.
[10:48] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, ^
[10:48]  * smartboyhw really has to go for a shower...
[10:48] <shadeslayer> cp: cannot stat ‘debian/tmp/usr/bin/solid-network’: No such file or directory
[10:48] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, what's that?
[10:48] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: likewise
[10:48] <smartboyhw> That's the question...
[10:49] <shadeslayer> means there is no usr/bin/solid-network anymore
[10:49] <shadeslayer> and you need to drop it from the install file
[10:49] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, uh, that requires me to build it again and again....
[10:49] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: let me know if you want an EC2 instance
[10:49] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, I think later.
[10:49] <shadeslayer> okay
[10:50] <yofel> smartboyhw: the saucy-proposed thing came from the upload script I believe
[10:50] <yofel> mind fixing that?
[10:50] <smartboyhw> yofel, laters, let me get this kde-workspace done.
[10:50] <yofel> k
[10:50] <smartboyhw> The problem is that it doesn't tell WHICH install file which means I have to go through them:(
[10:51] <shadeslayer> grep it
[10:51] <yofel> uh,  it does?
[10:51] <smartboyhw> Yeah, I need it.
[10:52] <yofel> smartboyhw: it usually shows you the target folder it tries to copy the file into
[10:52] <yofel> you can guess the install file from that
[10:52] <smartboyhw> Oh yeah it does:P
[10:53] <smartboyhw> Hmm weird, that file doesn't even exist..............
[10:54] <smartboyhw> in the .install file
[10:55] <smartboyhw> Yes found it!!!!!!!!
[10:55] <smartboyhw> yofel, should I better also remove things with networkmanager in the .install file?
[10:56] <smartboyhw> Since clearly that thing doesn't exist at all......
[10:56] <yofel> probably, otherwise this will take ages. You can add stuff back when it shows in list-missing
[10:57] <ScottK> jussi: Printers thing in system settings --> Add printer.
[10:58] <shadeslayer> ScottK: that doesn't make the scanner work
[10:58] <shadeslayer> only adds the printer
[10:58]  * smartboyhw now goes and takes a shower while this thing rebuilds.
[10:58] <ScottK> When I fire up skanlite, it finds it on the network.
[10:59] <ScottK> I don't think I had to set up anything for that.
[10:59] <yofel> it does so here too, but I have hp-systray running so maybe that helps
[11:00] <ScottK> I don't.
[11:00]  * ScottK needs to go.
[11:00] <shadeslayer> bah, power outage
[11:01] <shadeslayer> will poke kde-baseapps once its restored
[11:11] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:24] <Riddell> "Kenny Duffus (kduffus) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members (kubuntu-members) team until 2014-06-24" yay seaLne still loves us!
[11:28] <seaLne> :)
[11:30] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[11:32] <apachelogger> yofel: ping
[11:32] <yofel> hm?
[11:34] <apachelogger> yofel: are you going to port your neon macro stuff to kf5?
[11:34] <apachelogger> I am reasonable certain if I touch it the builds will not work for the rest of the year :S
[11:35] <yofel> apachelogger: can do, what exactly needs porting though? (note: i have yet to make one successful build of qt5 and kf5...)
[11:36] <apachelogger> yofel: put everything into /opt/project-neon-kf5 I guess
[11:36] <apachelogger> or project-neon5
[11:36] <apachelogger> which do you like better?
[11:37] <yofel> latter
[11:38] <apachelogger> include /opt/project-neon5/share/project-neon/pkg-project-neon.mk
[11:39] <apachelogger> yofel: what do we call the packages? project-neon5-qtbase?
[11:40] <yofel> rather
[11:40] <yofel> include /opt/project-neon5/share/pkg-project-neon/1/project-neon.mk
[11:40] <apachelogger> yofel: that's what you have in your qt :P
[11:40] <yofel> as I won't mess with the current buildsystem rev, or things really will not work for a year 11
[11:40] <yofel> ^^
[11:41] <yofel> apachelogger: that's a legacy symlink to ../pkg-project-neon/0/project-neon.mk
[11:41] <apachelogger> using /1/ then :P
[11:42] <yofel> hm...
[11:43] <yofel> this was never designed for renaming the project folder -.-
[11:43] <apachelogger> that's why I said there's a whole bunch of crap that needs changing :P
[11:45] <yofel> yeah, but that even counts for project-neon-runtime, as that's currently a flat folder structure in bzr that's packaged.
[11:45] <yofel> and cp -r opt/project-neon opt/project-neon5 sounds wrong -.-
[11:45] <apachelogger> why?
[11:45] <soee> how is the work on 4.11 going ? :) i read opensuse has it ready already
[11:46] <yofel> apachelogger: I'll duplicate the buildsystem, but that's my fault for putting it there I guess
[11:46] <Riddell> still coming along, we've had a year's worth of debian merges to do as well so not as fast as ideal but it's on its way
[11:46] <Riddell> soee: all help appreciated
[11:47] <shadeslayer> apol still hasn't bumped the so version
[11:47] <shadeslayer> boo
[11:47] <soee> Riddell, i would help if i would know anything about packaging - its in my plans to learn but have no time for this atm (to many projects to do)
[11:48] <smartboyhw> Request for EC2s....
[11:48] <yofel> shadeslayer: you fine wth /opt/project-neon5? better idea?
[11:48]  * shadeslayer thinks that's fine
[11:48] <apachelogger> yofel: IMO not sharing the buildsystem is the way to go anyway
[11:48] <smartboyhw> Riddell, shadeslayer can you guys get me one?
[11:48] <apachelogger> when two things that are not the same live in the same file thigns get messy
[11:48] <apachelogger> ask shadeslayer and his pgst stuff :P
[11:49] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: get you what?
[11:49] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, ec2:P
[11:49] <shadeslayer> ah
[11:49] <shadeslayer> ec2
[11:49] <yofel> apachelogger: yeah, that's why I wanted to add a new rev, but there's a lot more in there that musn't be shared
[11:49] <smartboyhw> yofel, ^
[11:49] <yofel> apachelogger: I think i'll just for project-neon-runtime and make project-neon5-runtime
[11:49] <yofel> *fork
[11:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell can probably do that better
[11:50] <apachelogger> yofel: sounds good to me
[11:51] <apachelogger> https://code.launchpad.net/project-neon5
[11:53] <yofel> Quintasan: ^
[11:58] <apachelogger> yofel: I suppose we want a separate ppa?
[11:59] <apachelogger> oh, I already created one with a silly name
[11:59] <apachelogger> ololo
[11:59] <yofel> do we really need a spereate one?
[12:00] <apachelogger> for the time being I'd keep the stuff separate tbh
[12:00] <apachelogger> only bloats each other's apt cache
[12:00] <apachelogger> and it's perfectly reasonable to use only the kf5 neon or only the sc4 neon
[12:01] <apachelogger> oh well
[12:01] <yofel> sure, but they should be able to co-exist, and I don't want to deprecate a ppa with 32G of space :P
[12:01] <apachelogger> it wouldn't be deprecation
[12:01] <apachelogger> at some point the main ppa will become the ppa for frameworks5 stuff :P
[12:01] <yofel> but yeah, a work archive until we have something that works would be good
[12:01] <apachelogger> https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/kf5
[12:02] <apachelogger> feel free to propoes better name :P
[12:02] <apachelogger> anyway
[12:02] <apachelogger> yofel: please poke me when you have make runtime whatever magic that possibly builds, I'll try to make qtbase build work then
[12:03]  * apachelogger is very excited \\o/
[12:03] <yofel> that'll be good for neon. lately it's mostly been in maintenance mode ^^
[12:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so will this be coinstallable with regular PN?
[12:04] <shadeslayer> yofel: because it works so well :P
[12:04] <apachelogger> that's the reason we want opt/project-neon5/
[12:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: right, but you'll also need config stuff
[12:04] <shadeslayer> and a desktop file
[12:04] <yofel> desktop is no issue
[12:04] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: hm?
[12:04] <apachelogger> there is no desktop?! :P
[12:04] <yofel> the utils are an issue because I put those in /usr
[12:05] <yofel> on my todo for later though
[12:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: alternative config folder to ~/.project-neon-kde
[12:05] <yofel> I'll probably just name everything neon5-* ^^
[12:05] <apachelogger> ^^
[12:05] <yofel> shadeslayer: alternative everything
[12:05] <shadeslayer> :D
[12:05] <yofel> at least we have experience in that :P
[12:06] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[12:06] <shadeslayer> atleast we have a env rc file that we can sed out :P
[12:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what are your thoughts on gtk bits landing on the ISO when you add muon-discover?
[12:13] <smartboyhw> Nobody gave me an EC2?:(
[12:14] <smartboyhw> Rebuilding again....
[12:17] <apachelogger> ehm
[12:17] <apachelogger> http://paste.kde.org/775874/
[12:17] <apachelogger> ?
[12:18] <yofel> apachelogger: without that qtscriptgenerator doesn't build
[12:18] <apachelogger> because qtscriptgenerator apparently is too stupid to include PHONON_INCLUDES
[12:19] <yofel> probably, the archive package has phonon-inc.patch for that
[12:19]  * apachelogger shakes head
[12:19]  * yofel agrees
[12:24] <yofel> apachelogger: do we need package tests? Nobody cared to make them work for neon4...
[12:24] <apachelogger> yofel: package tests?
[12:24] <yofel> dh_auto_test
[12:24] <apachelogger> nah
[12:24] <apachelogger> mighty upstraem has CI ^^
[12:24] <yofel> ok, removed
[12:24] <yofel> true, that actually works, dh tests don't
[12:25]  * yofel fixes a bazillion hardcoded project names...
[12:27] <shadeslayer> *blink*
[12:28] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/775880/
[12:29] <yofel> o.O
[12:29] <yofel> uh oh...
[12:29] <shadeslayer> ?
[12:30] <shadeslayer> not even sure where that comes from tbh
[12:30] <yofel> shadeslayer: check the control file, but I might know where that came from
[12:30] <shadeslayer> lol
[12:30] <shadeslayer> Package: libkonq5-dev (>= 4:4.10.80)
[12:30] <shadeslayer> xD
[12:30] <yofel> yeah, I feared as much
[12:30] <yofel> I broke kubuntu-initial-upload
[12:31] <shadeslayer> heh
[12:31] <yofel> fixed
[12:31] <shadeslayer> awesome
[12:32]  * yofel had totally forgotten to revert that -.-
[12:34]  * yofel wonders whether we still need update_qt_cache.pl
[12:34] <yofel> probably not
[12:34] <yofel> actually it makes no sense as it has qt4 in the path
[12:51] <Quintasan> Riddell: Got the tablet
[12:51] <Quintasan> 1. Great return address (>We don't have countries in Scotland)
[12:51] <shadeslayer> \o/
[12:51] <shadeslayer> haha
[12:51] <Quintasan> 2. You kind of forgot to delete you google data
[12:51] <yofel> http://paste.kde.org/775898 project-neon5-runtime
[12:51] <Quintasan> ie. I had access to your inbox
[12:51] <yofel> now I need to review that ^^
[12:53] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: looks like this in master: http://i.imgur.com/mUnq12Z.png
[12:53] <JontheEchidna> (for 2.1 for saucy)
[12:53]  * Quintasan kindly deletes everything from the tablet
[12:55] <smartboyhw> Quintasan: No worries, Riddell doesn't have many secrets:P
[12:56] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: here's what I've been working on for the rootfs http://paste.kde.org/775910/
[12:57] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: hopefully you can use that to create a rootfs for the userdata partition
[12:57] <shadeslayer> just copy the tar and extract it using the recovery
[12:57] <shadeslayer> missing some characters the script is
[12:59] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: Better : http://paste.kde.org/775916/
[13:01] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like me having access to every message you receive
[13:01] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, I know:)
[13:02] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ok
[13:02] <Quintasan> will try
[13:02] <shadeslayer> okay
[13:03] <shadeslayer> you're on your own wrt the kernel stuff though :P
[13:03] <Quintasan> mmkya
[13:03] <yofel> apachelogger: final include path: /opt/project-neon5/share/pkg-project-neon5/0/project-neon5.mk
[13:03] <Quintasan> Where the hell is our bug policy?
[13:03] <smartboyhw> Srsly, someone give me an ec2 or I can't finish the package within three days.....
[13:04] <smartboyhw> package = kde-workspace 4.10.80
[13:04] <yofel> Quintasan: what bug policy?
[13:04] <smartboyhw> Too many extra files here.....
[13:04] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: just a second
[13:04] <yofel> smartboyhw: I can give you an account on my server, it's not that fast, but probably faster than anything you have
[13:04] <Quintasan> yofel: As in where to report bugs against packages in kubuntu-ppa
[13:04] <smartboyhw> yofel, I will wait for shadeslayer ...
[13:04] <Quintasan> yofel: I have a user that claims kde-style-oxygen is not supporting multilib
[13:05] <yofel> Quintasan: packaging bugs go there, that's in every news item on kubuntu.org
[13:06] <shadeslayer> need to get 56 MB's of packages /o\
[13:07] <smartboyhw> Hurray/o\
[13:07] <smartboyhw> LO
[13:07] <smartboyhw> LOL
[13:09] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: need 5 minutes while packages are downloaded and installed
[13:10] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, eh.....
[13:10] <smartboyhw> yofel, you can give me an ec2 now right?
[13:10]  * yofel doesn't have the ec2 account information
[13:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bettar
[13:10] <smartboyhw> yofel, oh alright
[13:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: still terrible affordance on them icons
[13:11]  * smartboyhw would have hoped that Riddell is not away or idle....
[13:11] <apachelogger> a magic wand to change the display of items
[13:11] <apachelogger> that is "new" :P
[13:11] <yofel> https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/kf5/+packages \o/
[13:11] <JontheEchidna> lol
[13:11] <apachelogger> yofel: weeh \o/
[13:11] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: at least list1 list2 and list3 weren't in the list :P
[13:12] <apachelogger> yofel: I'll try to fiddle qtbase in about 1hr
[13:12] <yofel> apachelogger: where's the qt5/kf5 build guide on techbase again? I didn't find it when I looked for it a week ago...
[13:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: need more lists :@
[13:12] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: iirc apol was experimenting with different views
[13:13] <apachelogger> yofel: that's the trick, it aint on techbase :P
[13:13] <apachelogger> yofel: http://community.kde.org/Frameworks/Building
[13:13] <yofel> . . .
[13:13] <yofel> thanks
[13:15] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: need your ssh key
[13:15] <yofel> https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/+recipe/project-neon5-runtime
[13:15] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, check in launchpad.net/~smartboyhw
[13:15] <smartboyhw> There's my sshhhhhhshshsh key:P
[13:20] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:20] <shadeslayer> check if it works
[13:20] <shadeslayer> it's a saucy ami
[13:20] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yep:) thanks
[13:20] <shadeslayer> so you can just do sudo apt-get builddep kde-workspace and run dpkg-buildpackage on that
[13:21] <yofel> good that I read the kf5 wiki, neon doesn't have QML2_IMPORT_PATH set yet
[13:24] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, what's happening with those 403 Forbidden messages? I can't install any package now....
[13:24] <shadeslayer> huh?
[13:25] <shadeslayer> hm
[13:25] <smartboyhw> ....
[13:25] <shadeslayer> screw that
[13:25] <shadeslayer> probably ec2 being shit
[13:25] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: fixed
[13:25] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, thx!
[13:26] <shadeslayer> np
[13:26] <smartboyhw> God, it's faster:)
[13:26] <shadeslayer> yeah :)
[13:26] <yofel> "Don't bother with KDEDIR and KDEHOME etc. this stuff isn't used anymore. "
[13:26] <yofel> eeeeh?
[13:27] <yofel> apachelogger: kf5 is pure-XDG?
[13:29] <Riddell> smartboyhw: get ec2 sorted?
[13:30] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yep:)
[13:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: gtk bits should be removed, wasn't it a simple recommend somewhere?
[13:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you contacted upstream analitza about soname?
[13:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I did poke apol
[13:38] <shadeslayer> he said he'll do it
[13:38] <shadeslayer> but I haven't heard back from him
[13:39] <shadeslayer> nor do I see a commit
[13:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: "kde-runtime shadeslayer WOP"  WOP?
[13:39] <shadeslayer> maybe we should do it ourselves
[13:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: should say WIP
[13:39] <shadeslayer> WOP was a typo earlier :P
[13:39] <Riddell> looks like you guys are onto the build failures, I'll get onto the package splitting
[13:39] <shadeslayer> yeah, that'd be awesome
[13:40] <shadeslayer> I'l be leaving in 1 hour
[13:40] <shadeslayer> plan on finshing ~everything in the build-failiures
[13:44] <smartboyhw> Riddell, shadeslayer I just can't install one of the build-deps......
[13:44] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: are you running byobu?
[13:44] <smartboyhw> kdepimlibs5-dev
[13:44] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, yep
[13:44] <smartboyhw> Ninjas PPA enabled.
[13:44] <shadeslayer> kdepim isn't done yet afaict
[13:44] <shadeslayer> yofel is working on that
[13:45] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, em I can actually install it on my local computer....
[13:45] <Riddell> what happens?
[13:46] <shadeslayer> my screen is full of dots
[13:46] <smartboyhw> Riddell, a lot of probs and finally sounds like libicalc1 is just uninstallable
[13:46] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, !?!!!?!?!
[13:47] <shadeslayer> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/17/plasma-desktopvg2737.png
[13:47] <smartboyhw> nice;P
[13:47] <BluesKaj> smartboyhw, if you ebnable proposed it might work for you ..i had to do so yesterday and libicalc1 installed ok
[13:47] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj, ah......
[13:47] <Riddell> presumably your terminal is larger than the other user of that screen session
[13:48] <shadeslayer> I see only a small part of the screen : http://wstaw.org/m/2013/06/17/plasma-desktopJN2737.png
[13:48] <smartboyhw> I have a small terminal:P
[13:50]  * shadeslayer rages at quilt
[13:51] <smartboyhw> Thank you BluesKaj
[13:51] <smartboyhw> Now I can finally build heh heh
[13:51] <smartboyhw> Who changed byobu's behaviour!?
[13:51] <yofel> shadeslayer: thanks for reminding me of what I wanted to do before neon distraced me ^^
[13:51] <shadeslayer> moi
[13:51] <shadeslayer> :P
[13:51] <shadeslayer> yofel: np
[13:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: any ideas why quilt would say "No series file found" even though I specify debian/patches in quiltrc
[13:52] <shadeslayer> QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches
[13:52] <BluesKaj> smartboyhw, I'm still having a proble with katepart being held back , so a warning is in order here , probly disabling proposed now is a good idea , ..I waited too long
[13:52] <yofel> other than the file not being there, no
[13:52] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj, yeah...
[13:53] <yofel> BluesKaj: do you have the ninja ppa enabled? That would be worse than -proposed right now
[13:53] <smartboyhw> Hmm BTW can someone ask in #calligra again for the armhf solution!?
[13:53] <smartboyhw> yofel, I have:P (wihout proposed however)
[13:53] <Riddell> what's wrong with calligra?
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell, armhf doesn't build and some files are duplicated...
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Meaning Breaks and Replaces are needed.
[13:54] <Riddell> hmm
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell, we discussed yesterday and it turns out that it doesn
[13:54] <smartboyhw> 't use qreal
[13:55] <Riddell> /build/buildd/calligra-2.6.92/krita/image/kis_filter_weights_applicator.h: In member function 'KisFixedPoint KisFilterWeightsApplicator::l_to_c(KisFixedPoint) const':
[13:55] <Riddell> /build/buildd/calligra-2.6.92/krita/image/kis_filter_weights_applicator.h:302:5: error: control reaches end of non-void function [-Werror=return-type]
[13:55] <Riddell> ah this is qreal fun
[13:55] <Riddell> /build/buildd/calligra-2.6.92/krita/image/kis_filter_weights_applicator.h:135:55: error: conversion from 'double' to 'const KisFixedPoint' is ambiguous
[13:55] <smartboyhw> yep. I asked #krita yesterday, no one replied.
[13:55] <Riddell> so just add some casts in the right place
[13:56] <smartboyhw> Riddell, and I need to provide you a fixed control file.
[13:56] <smartboyhw> Which I have here...
[13:56] <smartboyhw> email maybe?
[13:56] <yofel> bzr?
[13:56] <Riddell> smartboyhw: fixed control for what?
[13:56] <smartboyhw> yofel, not sure if I bzr it.
[13:56] <BluesKaj> yofel, thanks , I think so ...c hecking
[13:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, there are errrors...
[13:57] <Riddell> smartboyhw: in calligra?
[13:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, let me get it...
[13:57] <yofel> smartboyhw: why not?
[13:57] <smartboyhw> Riddell, http://paste.kde.org/775346/
[13:58]  * smartboyhw thinks that ec2s build slower.....
[13:58] <smartboyhw> Or did I used a far too low -j ?
[13:58]  * smartboyhw used -j4 in both his computer and the ec2.
[13:58] <Riddell> smartboyhw: the cheap ec2s are pretty slow yes
[13:58] <Riddell> smartboyhw: does it have 4 cores? else -j4 will make it slower
[13:59] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I thought it has..... Anyplace where I can see?
[13:59] <Riddell> smartboyhw: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[13:59] <Riddell> smartboyhw: looks like fixes needed, if you have them put them in bzr
[14:00] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK....
[14:00] <shadeslayer> you could try GCE
[14:00] <shadeslayer> instead of EC2
[14:00] <shadeslayer> supposedly faster
[14:00] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, what's GCE?
[14:00] <Riddell> what's GCE?
[14:00] <yofel> btw. we need this for 4.11: http://paste.kde.org/775898
[14:00] <shadeslayer> GOogle Compute Engine
[14:00] <yofel> erm
[14:00] <yofel> http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.de/2013/06/plasma-nm-0909.html
[14:00] <yofel> I mean
[14:01] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, is it expensive?
[14:01] <shadeslayer> dunno, haven't done a price comparison
[14:01]  * smartboyhw wants to dump the kde-workspace work and do plasma nm :P
[14:01] <Riddell> yofel: hmm interesting.  we also have a todo item to package the new plasmoid afiestas_ is working on
[14:01] <smartboyhw> much hell easier:P
[14:01] <shadeslayer> https://developers.google.com/compute/docs/pricing
[14:02] <smartboyhw> Riddell, it does have 4 cores (the ec2)
[14:02] <shadeslayer> if you look at the high CPU machine types, it's 0.163 USD / hour
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Maybe -j8 will be better:P
[14:03] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: really? I see only 1 core
[14:03] <afiestas_> Riddell: new plasmoid? what?
[14:03] <afiestas_> aaaa
[14:03] <afiestas_> plasma-nm !
[14:03] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, according to the CPU.......
[14:03]  * smartboyhw doesn't know...
[14:03] <afiestas_> I'm not working on it, other people in solid are
[14:03] <yofel> problem with pnm <IP_ADDRESS> is that it requires NM >= 0.9.8 which rules out 12.04 and 12.10
[14:03] <smartboyhw> yofel, eh:(
[14:04] <yofel> maybe just backporting the modemmanagager part could be done
[14:04] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: I only see processor       : 0
[14:04] <Riddell> yofel: why would you want to backport it?
[14:04] <yofel> Riddell: kde-workspace 4.11 has no modemmanager anymore, that's why pnm <IP_ADDRESS> ships an embedded copy
[14:05]  * yofel would guess that at least the mobile phone stuff would break
[14:06] <smartboyhw> Description:  Socket: LGA771, Clockspeed: 2.7 GHz, No of Cores: 4, Max TDP: 80 W
[14:06] <smartboyhw> Other names:  Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5430 @ 2.66GHz
[14:06] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, ^ ?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:06] <shadeslayer> that doesn't mean you have access to all the cores :P
[14:06] <yofel> I'm not too sure we want to do backports for 12.10, but 12.04 would be nice - if doable (not of the betas)
[14:06] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, heck 1 is too slow....
[14:08] <shadeslayer> bah
[14:08] <shadeslayer> I can't fix kde-runtime without quilt
[14:11] <Riddell> so install quilt?
[14:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I have it installed, but it doesn't work :(
[14:11] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, :O
[14:11] <smartboyhw> How come?
[14:11] <shadeslayer> can't find the series file for some reason
[14:12]  * smartboyhw decides to go and package PNM while waiting for the SLOW ec2.
[14:12] <smartboyhw> And if it's my sleep time, shadeslayer can take over:):P
[14:12] <shadeslayer> nope, I'm heading out to watch a movie soonish
[14:12] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, heck....\
[14:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell maybe?
[14:13] <yofel> now that's a nice patch name
[14:13] <yofel> kubuntu_REMOVE_WITH_4.11_nodisplay_import_wizard.diff
[14:13] <shadeslayer> lol
[14:13] <smartboyhw> yofel, LOL
[14:14] <shadeslayer> don't think I can get kde-runtime done in time :(
[14:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: $QUILT_PATCHES set?
[14:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I set it in ~/.quiltrc
[14:15] <smartboyhw> yofel, does Plasma NM exist in repos?
[14:15] <Riddell> smartboyhw: well yes we've been using it for years
[14:15] <yofel> smartboyhw: yeah, source is networkmanagement
[14:16] <smartboyhw> Found it.
[14:16] <shadeslayer> oh hmm
[14:16] <shadeslayer> interesting
[14:16] <shadeslayer> exporting did the job
[14:19] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: So you are telling me this command will generate working rootfs for armhf?
[14:22] <apachelogger> yofel: yes XDG, finally :P
[14:22] <yofel> \o/
[14:22] <apachelogger> it's like 3000 degrees in my office
[14:22] <apachelogger> HALP
[14:23]  * yofel put the coffee he just made into the refidgerator. maybe that'll be edible in an hour
[14:23] <apachelogger> kubotu: order beer
[14:23]  * kubotu gives apachelogger a nice frosty mug of beer.
[14:23] <smartboyhw> I think someone has to take over the ec2 build then........
[14:23] <apachelogger> yus!
[14:23] <smartboyhw> Too long. I would have slept by then (ETA 12:30 A.M. HKT)
[14:23] <smartboyhw> Or even longer...
[14:24] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: this should help re: stale updates http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=muon.git&a=commit&h=7e1aaaaf0706bb62a55b24a455783a119c369c33
[14:25] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yeah, it helps a bit
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> the thing is, APT doesn't really support a sane workflow in that regard :s
[14:25] <apachelogger> needs fixy
[14:26] <apachelogger> actually I think the problem is with libapt, if it runs into 404 a client should be able to handle this
[14:26] <apachelogger> which would for all and every transport amount to refresh cache
[14:27] <smartboyhw> Hurray, kcron failed with some strange sbuildrc error:P
[14:27] <apachelogger> in fact, apt should just refersh the cache whenever it wants to do something :P
[14:27] <smartboyhw> Retrying
[14:28] <apachelogger> the problem is ... in terms of the archive you'd not get a 404 but still pointlessly update to possibly even broken versions
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[14:28] <apachelogger> say 1ubuntu13.04.1 was pushed to updates, then you refresh, 3 days later you update to that version but meanwhile 1ubuntu13.04.2 was pushed to updates fixing a grave regression
[14:29] <apachelogger> lot's of not so easy prevent corner cases with apt unfotunately :(
[14:29] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: yes, for some definition of working
[14:30] <smartboyhw> Someone fix kcron, kde4-config can't be found. Better still, cmake can be specified (>= 2.8)
[14:30] <Quintasan> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1479913
[14:30] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: make sure you have a standard ubuntu initrd
[14:30] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: ^ I found this
[14:30] <shadeslayer> oh cool
[14:30] <apachelogger> fun game: search the backlog for need
[14:31] <apachelogger> you are all very needy people
[14:31] <apachelogger> also the software is very needy
[14:31] <apachelogger> :P
[14:31] <BluesKaj> yofel, I have to leave your ninja ppa enabled until the katepart libkatepartinterfaces4 depenedencies are available
[14:34] <shadeslayer> ok I've gtg
[14:34] <shadeslayer> if someone wants to do kde-runtime feel free to take it
[14:35] <smartboyhw> I forgotten, what's the command invoking --list-missing again?
[14:35]  * apachelogger builders qtbase
[14:36] <apachelogger> yofel: btw, problem with builder as it is right now... one could not build different series at the same time
[14:36] <apachelogger> then again I wonder whether that is desirable nayway
[14:36] <apachelogger> *anyway
[14:36] <Quintasan> Riddell: Flashing SDE to the Archos tablet voids the warranty, I believe that's what we actually want :P
[14:37] <apachelogger> cache needed locking and build dir needs name change
[14:37] <apachelogger> latter is easy, former can get very tricky ^^
[14:37] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, you know the answer?
[14:37] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you definitely want SDE
[14:37] <apachelogger> you can't do shit without the SDE :S
[14:37] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: 42
[14:38] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: dh_install?
[14:38] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, ah thx
[14:38] <apachelogger> depends on what list-missing you want :P
[14:38] <Riddell> Quintasan: warranty shmarranty
[14:38] <apachelogger> we also have a more generic list-missing technique via pbuilder hooks
[14:40] <ahoneybun> JontheEchidna: have you looked into the steam issue?
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> like I said, it requires supporting the Ubuntu Web Store, which is being worked on
[14:41] <ahoneybun> web store?
[14:42]  * apachelogger forwards to phoronix "muon developer: if you can't buy prn there, it aint high priority to support"
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> lol
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> ahoneybun: I thought we'd talked about this, maybe not
[14:42] <Quintasan> LOL
[14:42] <ahoneybun> JontheEchidna: I never heard of a Web Store
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> ahoneybun: Ubuntu offers it as a free app through its web store
[14:43] <JontheEchidna> through the same service it offers 3rd party for-purchase apps
[14:43] <smartboyhw> Hey ahoneybun
[14:43] <ahoneybun> smartboyhw: hello
[14:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what is still blocking that btw?
[14:43] <ahoneybun> JontheEchidna: but that does not make it any easier for Kubuntu users
[14:43] <apachelogger> seems like years since we first talked about it :(
[14:43] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: well up until a year ago I didn't have the time.... Then I had to do LibQApt2 for the last release
[14:44] <JontheEchidna> ahoneybun: yeah. but then Canonical never really cared about Kubuntu
[14:44] <ahoneybun> JontheEchidna: I kinda get that feeling
[14:44] <apachelogger> well
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I've almost got it working now. Should be in 2.1
[14:45] <ahoneybun> is there anything that the Kubuntu devels can do though?
[14:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: is that going to be in saucy? xD
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> I've been working on an Ubuntu Web Store backend for Muon 2.1
[14:45] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: that's the dream
[14:45]  * apachelogger likes to dream
[14:46] <smartboyhw> JontheEchidna, web store?
[14:46] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: read backlog
[14:46]  * smartboyhw can't understand...
[14:47]  * apachelogger paints a picture of a unicorn on the channel wall
[14:47] <apachelogger> this is saucy
[14:47] <apachelogger> end of story
[14:47] <apachelogger> .
[14:47] <ahoneybun> JontheEchidna: so Muon will be able to access ubuntu web store?
[14:47] <apachelogger> debian/rules:5: /opt/project-neon5/share/pkg-project-neon/1/project-neon.mk: No such file or directory
[14:47] <apachelogger> oh
[14:47] <apachelogger> right
[14:48] <smartboyhw> Hell, why we never heard of Ubuntu Web Store?
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> smartboyhw: no clue. it's been around for 2 or 3 years
[14:48] <JontheEchidna> as part of the Ubuntu Software Center
[14:49] <Riddell> kuser is a licence mess, some files gpl 2, some gpl 2+ and some gpl 2,3
[14:49] <Riddell> grump grump
[14:49] <JontheEchidna> ahoneybun: items for purchase in the web store will be displayed like normal applications in Muon: http://i.imgur.com/LxCMfV6.png
[14:49] <apachelogger> webstore is just another frontend
[14:49] <apachelogger> like ubuntu software center
[14:49] <apachelogger> albeit former didn't really take off
[14:49] <apachelogger> like anything web in ubuntuland
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> also http://i.imgur.com/iPDFKxK.png
[14:50] <ahoneybun> JontheEchidna: so I take this will fix the steam problem as well
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> ahoneybun: yes
[14:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that website seems illthemed :P
[14:50] <ahoneybun> JontheEchidna: awesome
[14:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: also your cpus be very hawt
[14:50] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: running Folding @ Home
[14:50] <apachelogger> dust patrol incoming
[14:50] <apachelogger> ah
[14:51] <apachelogger> good folds
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> my GPU blows the CPU out of the water ^^
[14:51] <JontheEchidna> 4x as much from it
[14:51] <smartboyhw> Thanks to JontheEchidna I now know a new channel called #kubuntu-status.
[14:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: folds or temp? :P
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: temp's ok actually: http://i.imgur.com/eX6pLRB.png
[14:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: gpus are nice
[14:52] <apachelogger> so
[14:52] <apachelogger> funny thing
[14:52] <apachelogger> I only recently noticed that my desktop has two gpus
[14:53] <yofel> apachelogger: for now make builder support saucy, we can make that multi-release later on
[14:53] <apachelogger> I can watch HD entertainment movies while folding
[14:53] <apachelogger> what'd you say to that
[14:53] <smartboyhw> I really like my i5 (1st gen) CPU.
[14:53] <smartboyhw> Builds things fast.
[14:53] <apachelogger> yofel: well, multi-release IMHO makes only sense when you run on different machines
[14:53] <JontheEchidna> I have an i5-3470 that I got this March. Love it.
[14:53] <apachelogger> otherwise the builder isntances will just slow each other down
[14:54] <apachelogger> through cache locking and general IO
[14:54] <yofel> apachelogger: run one after the other?
[14:54] <apachelogger> and in turn, if you run it on different machines you don't have problems with multiple builder instances anyway
[14:54] <apachelogger> yofel: yeah, that's what I'd do on a single machine setup
[14:54] <yofel> ok, if that works then I'm happy
[14:56] <apachelogger> on that note we probably also want to block process cache updates
[14:56] <apachelogger> and only once per day
[14:56] <apachelogger> otherwise you get git rev abc in saucy and rev cba in raring
[14:57] <yofel> that's what we do no, fine
[14:57] <yofel> *now
[14:58] <apachelogger> yofel: it's not a big issue, it's just that IMO it's better if the same rev is shipped for all series
[14:58] <yofel> right
[14:59] <apachelogger> and it probably is not hard to do because the cache instances live in the non-chrooted parent anyway, so simply updating the cache on creation rather than on access would solve it
[14:59] <apachelogger> not a biggy though
[14:59] <apachelogger> anyway, new try
[15:01] <Quintasan> The question now is whether our gles binaries work shadeslayer
[15:02] <apachelogger> Need to get 2997 kB/5272 kB of archives. After unpacking 18.0 MB will be used.
[15:02] <apachelogger> Abort.
[15:02] <apachelogger> pbuilder doesn't like me :(
[15:02] <smartboyhw> It would be nice of anyone if he/she would like to dget -x https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa/+files/networkmanagement_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1.dsc and review and upload...
[15:02] <smartboyhw> As for kde-workspace, could someone takeover the ec2?
[15:04]  * apachelogger points at Quintasan
[15:04] <Quintasan> what
[15:04] <Quintasan> I'm busy noiw
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Wait, don't upload
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Uh god, it's that .sbuildrc problem again in PPAs.
[15:04] <apachelogger> ...
[15:04]  * apachelogger gets too many bug mails :(
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Start in 59 seconds.
[15:05] <smartboyhw> Whoa!!!!!
[15:05] <smartboyhw> Today the build machines are happy it seems.
[15:05] <apachelogger> tick tock goes the clock
[15:05] <yofel> sbuildrc would explain why the build queues are empty ^^
[15:05] <smartboyhw> LOL
[15:06] <smartboyhw> Anyone having free time to upload?
[15:06] <smartboyhw> Or just takeover the ec2?
[15:06] <apachelogger> <- doing neon
[15:07] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, sure:)
[15:07] <Riddell> smartboyhw: upload what?
[15:07] <smartboyhw> Riddell, plasma nm <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:07] <Riddell> smartboyhw: could do, ~jr on lp if you want to give me access
[15:08] <smartboyhw> Riddell, um pnm is on my ppa...
[15:08] <smartboyhw> dget -x https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/+archive/ppa/+files/networkmanagement_<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1.dsc
[15:08] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ok, mind and poweroff ec2 if you're done with it
[15:08]  * yofel off, bbl
[15:08] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I don't have pnm on the ec2, it's for kde-workspace.
[15:09] <Riddell> aah
[15:09] <smartboyhw> Building slowly at 40%.
[15:10] <smartboyhw> Damn, what happened to amd64 ppa build machines today? .sbuildrc failed again for kuser...
[15:11] <apachelogger> yofel:  -> Considering build-dep pkg-project-neon-tools (>= 211~)
[15:11] <apachelogger> E: No packages found
[15:11] <apachelogger> :'(
[15:12] <apachelogger> oh
[15:12] <apachelogger> your version is weird
[15:12] <Riddell> hmm, broken launchpad? https://i142660610.restricted.launchpadlibrarian.net/142660610/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-amd64.kuser_4%3A4.10.80-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.10~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz?token=615216f447c3eff05cf81a16616b77fb
[15:12] <yofel> apachelogger: pkg-project-neon5-tools
[15:12] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yeah
[15:12]  * smartboyhw goes to report
[15:12] <apachelogger> and name
[15:13] <Riddell> smartboyhw: why this change?
[15:13] <Riddell> -       dh $@ --parallel --with kde --dbg-package=plasma-widget-networkmanagement-dbg
[15:13] <Riddell> +       dh $@ --parallel --with=kde --dbg-package=plasma-widget-networkmanagement-dbg
[15:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell, doesn't it work with --with=kde only? Saw it in developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html "KDE packaging"
[15:13] <Riddell> man dh says with a space
[15:13] <apachelogger> dh8 should work with either
[15:14] <apachelogger> dh7 only worked with = IIRC
[15:14] <Quintasan> dh9 works only with space
[15:14] <Quintasan> :P
[15:14] <Riddell> http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/kde.html looks like an unreviewed old wiki page, the translations stuff is out of date
[15:15] <smartboyhw> Eh!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
[15:15] <smartboyhw> Sorry then....
[15:15] <smartboyhw> That's misleading:P
[15:17] <Riddell> hello ShiningThrough
[15:23] <jessie> I'm having issues with my KScreen set up on 4.10.54
[15:23] <jessie> *4.10.4
[15:25] <ShiningThrough> Riddell: hey there
[15:29] <Riddell> smartboyhw: hmm
[15:29] <Riddell>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/oxygen/32x32/apps/networkmanager.png', which is also in package kde-workspace-data 4:4.10.4-0ubuntu1
[15:30] <Riddell> smartboyhw: does kde-workspace-4.10.80/solid/icons/ox22-app-networkmanager.png still exist in 4.10.80?
[15:32] <smartboyhw> Riddell, probably not.
[15:33] <smartboyhw> Riddell, networkmanager has moved in 4.10.80 from kde-workspace to networkmanagement.
[15:33] <jessie> This is the error I'm getting when trying to open up the "Display and Monitor" section of System Settings: http://pastebin.com/NEXJKNrm
[15:33] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I don't think it was ever part of kde-workspace ?
[15:33] <Riddell> modem manager moved
[15:35] <apachelogger> !find libsqlite1-dev saucy
[15:35] <apachelogger> !find libsqlite0-dev saucy
[15:35] <apachelogger> hm
[15:35] <apachelogger> E: Unable to locate package libsqlite0-dev
[15:36] <smartboyhw> Riddell, confirmed, it wasn't there.
[15:36] <smartboyhw> there = 4.10.80.
[15:39] <Riddell> smartboyhw: uploaded!
[15:40] <smartboyhw> Someone take over kde-workspace ec2 <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, thx
[15:41] <apachelogger> oh well
[15:43] <apachelogger> yofel: sqlite0-dev wasn't found, nto sure why, probably satisfy-deps is bogus or the wrong one or something
[15:44] <apachelogger> it's too hawt to look into it though so I am going for a swim :P
[15:44] <apachelogger> if you feel like it, everything is pushed
[15:44] <apachelogger> simply get the builder from launchpad and try to run it
[15:44] <apachelogger> o/
[15:57] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:58] <Quintasan> ARGH
[16:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: we have three ec2 instances running just now, some over a week old, I don't have access to any, I'm going to terminate them unless you complain quickly
[16:43] <ahoneybun> lordievader: hey
[16:50] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1191870] plasma-desktop not working after upgrade to kubuntu 13.04 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1191870 (by Jeroen)
[16:58] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Either the rootfs is fscsk up or the kernel does some magic which make it impossible to boot it
[17:01]  * Riddell gets kmymoney to compile!
[17:01] <Riddell> boy is that thing a twisted mess of linking libraries all alike
[17:01] <Riddell> and with names like gwenhywfar
[17:49] <lordievader> Hey ahoneybun, how are you?
[17:49] <ahoneybun> lordievader: fine yourself?
[17:50] <lordievader> Doing good too.
[17:52] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Is that you behind the G+ page?
[17:53] <ahoneybun> yes
[17:53] <Riddell> which g+ page?
[17:54] <ahoneybun> lordievader: I'll be back in a few
[17:56] <lordievader> Riddell: This one: https://plus.google.com/112490706514003921722/posts
[18:13] <ahoneybun> lordievader: I thought it could somehow boost the docs on a google search
[18:14] <lordievader> ahoneybun: It just might ;)
[18:15] <ahoneybun> lordievader: I tried to add a few lines in the home page of the docs to get them found better
[18:15] <ahoneybun> as well
[18:15]  * yofel fixes kde-dev-tools deps so kuser builds
[18:15] <yofel> er, pkg-kde-tools
[18:18] <Quintasan> Riddell: So, summing up Day 1: Got rootfs 2. Can't boot it 3.Mer images work for some reason
[18:18] <Quintasan> Maybe I have to rebuild the kernel
[18:19] <ahoneybun> Quintasan: nexus?
[18:20] <Quintasan> ahoneybun: Archos G9
[18:20] <ahoneybun> Quintasan: booting kde active on it?
[18:20] <Quintasan> ahoneybun: Trying to as you can see.
[18:21] <ahoneybun> oh cool
[18:21] <Riddell> Quintasan: that all makes sense
[18:21] <Riddell> Quintasan: I expect arm devices need a fairly specific kernel
[18:21] <Riddell> Quintasan: see if you can work out what kernel sources mer use for their image?
[18:22] <Quintasan> Riddell: I "stole" the Mer kernel
[18:22] <Quintasan> Riddell: I know where the sources are
[18:22] <Riddell> borrowed :)
[18:23] <Quintasan> Riddell: See, the device does not even boot or at least I can't see any output
[18:23] <Quintasan> as it's supposed to have fbcon so it at least should spew out init crapping out
[18:23] <Quintasan> But it doesn't
[18:23] <Quintasan> Well, I'll just grab the source probably
[18:24] <Quintasan> yofel: ping
[18:25] <yofel> Quintasan: hm?
[18:25] <Quintasan> yofel: I've seen you doing some kf5 magic, is that done?
[18:25] <Quintasan> more importantly
[18:25] <Quintasan> what has higher priority, 4.10.80 or kf5 in neon? :P
[18:25] <yofel> Quintasan: the buildsystem should work, now I need to look how well harald's work runs
[18:26] <yofel> Quintasan: uh, master (4.11) is still running as usualy
[18:26] <yofel> no issues there
[18:26] <yofel> -y
[18:26] <Quintasan> so 4.10.80 then
[18:26] <yofel> kf5 is somewhere before hatching, nothing more
[18:27] <yofel> Quintasan: this is how much you have of kf5 so far: https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/kf5/+packages
[18:27] <yofel> i.e. not much
[18:29] <Riddell> Quintasan: is there a way to get debugging?  a serial console from usb is a common way
[18:29] <Quintasan> Riddell: I need to get a proper cable for that. Last time I bought one it had VendorID and ProductID 0000 i.e. not working
[18:34] <ahoneybun> Riddell: is there a problem with that page?
[18:39] <Quintasan> yofel: I can't really get it right, when the hell do you change UNRELEASED to ${release} in our bzr?
[18:39] <yofel> Riddell: one thing I just fixed in ksystemlog and kcron:
[18:39] <yofel> - kdelibs5-dev (>= 4.10.80)
[18:39] <yofel> + kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.10.80)
[18:39] <yofel> Quintasan: for the ppa-builds? bzr-buildpackage-ppa does that
[18:39] <Quintasan> shadeslayer pushed UNRELEASED in kiten to bzr and it's already in saucy
[18:40] <Quintasan> argh
[18:40] <Quintasan> I forgot we should upload it to ninjas first
[18:40] <yofel> ^^
[18:40] <Riddell> oh thanks yofel
[18:41] <Quintasan> And now I realised why pbuilder-dist sucks for ninja packaging
[18:41] <Riddell> ahoneybun: the g+ one?  I just don't understand what it is
[18:42] <ahoneybun> Riddell: Was trying to make a google search of kubuntu docs come up better
[18:43] <Riddell> ah hah
[18:43] <Quintasan> yofel: Can has your pbuilderrc?
[18:43] <yofel> Quintasan: uh ok... give me a moment
[18:44] <yofel> Quintasan: http://paste.kde.org/776396
[18:44] <yofel> before using it make sure you have pigz and eatmydata installed
[18:44] <Quintasan> yofel: Thanks
[18:44] <Quintasan> pigz? what does that do?
[18:44] <yofel> threaded gzip
[18:44] <Quintasan> oh
[18:45] <yofel> usage would be like: 'sudo -E dist=s pro=ninja pbuilder build ...'
[18:46] <yofel> pro= can be anything though, I just didn't like writing 'pro=saucy-ninja-amd64' so that's different vars
[18:48] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: re gles, doubt it
[18:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: holy shit, 1 week old? :O
[18:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: must have racked up quite a bill :/
[18:49] <Quintasan> GIVE ALL UR MONEYZ TO Riddell
[18:49] <Quintasan> NAO
[19:09] <Quintasan> What on...
[19:10] <yofel> ?
[19:11] <Quintasan> W: Failed to fetch https://private-ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ninjas/ppa/ubuntu/dists/saucy/main/binary-amd64/Packages
[19:12] <Quintasan> Can't build anything
[19:13] <yofel> works here...
[19:13] <Quintasan> transport-https is installed
[19:13] <Quintasan> hmm
[19:14] <yofel> what's the actual error?
[19:14] <shadeslayer> you're not motivated enough :P
[19:14] <Quintasan> weird
[19:14] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: make sure the entry in sources.list is correct?
[19:14] <shadeslayer> hah
[19:14] <shadeslayer> kdepim is still WIP :P
[19:14] <Quintasan> I can access it just fine via url
[19:14] <shadeslayer> I know
[19:14] <yofel> is  ca-certificates installed?
[19:14] <shadeslayer> I know
[19:14] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ca-certificates
[19:14] <shadeslayer> make sure that's installed
[19:14] <shadeslayer> I had the exact same issueand it said the exact same thin
[19:15] <shadeslayer> *thing
[19:15] <yofel> shadeslayer: I only got home a while ago, working on it now
[19:15] <Quintasan> no
[19:15] <Quintasan> and that will probably solve it
[19:15] <shadeslayer> they were going to fix that
[19:15] <shadeslayer> but I guess they never got around to doing it
[19:16]  * Quintasan takes kiten to fix
[19:16] <shadeslayer> right, what's wrong with kiten?
[19:16] <Quintasan> fails at install files
[19:17] <Quintasan> WHY DIDN'T YOU SAVE MY CHANGES PBUILDER
[19:17] <shadeslayer> what about <Quintasan> shadeslayer pushed UNRELEASED in kiten to bzr and it's already in saucy
[19:17] <Quintasan> HURRRRRRRR
[19:17] <Quintasan> nothing
[19:17] <yofel> --save-after-login
[19:17] <shadeslayer> oh okay
[19:17] <Quintasan> yofel: I'm doing that :D
[19:17] <yofel> ^^
[19:17] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I'm dumb and I forgot we upload to ninjas first
[19:17] <shadeslayer> happens to one and all
[19:17] <yofel> rmember to use bzr-buildpackage-ppa if you work from bzr
[19:18] <shadeslayer> I never figured that out :(
[19:18] <Quintasan> wat
[19:18] <yofel> I need to write a proper workflow guide one of these days...
[19:18] <shadeslayer> so I just add the src entry to my host and use apt-get source :P
[19:18]  * Quintasan tries that
[19:18] <Quintasan> yofel: Yeah, really
[19:18] <Quintasan> We have tons of tools and I don't even know half of them despite doing this god knows how many times
[19:18] <shadeslayer> or alternatively, dpkg-source -x :)
[19:18] <yofel> shadeslayer: if you have the deb-src line, then bzr builddeb will use apt-get source if it doesn't find the tarball ;)
[19:18] <shadeslayer> hah
[19:19] <Quintasan> So yofel I go to bzr directory and invoke the magic bzr-buildpackage-ppa?
[19:19] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: what did Sune sign me up for
[19:19] <shadeslayer> I need them logs
[19:19] <Quintasan> wat?
[19:19] <yofel> Quintasan, shadeslayer: bzr-buildpackage-ppa is really a wrapper around bzr buliddeb used by kubuntu-initial-upload usually
[19:19] <yofel> it's what generates a properly versioned package from an UNRELEASED changelog
[19:19] <yofel> and with -s X, you get ~ppaX
[19:20] <Quintasan> aha
[19:20] <yofel> like...
[19:20] <yofel> kdepimlibs (4:4.10.80-0ubuntu1) UNRELEASED; urgency=low
[19:20] <yofel> bzr-buildpackage-ppa -s 4
[19:20] <yofel> -> kdepimlibs_4.10.80-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.10~ppa4.dsc
[19:21] <shadeslayer> ah
[19:21] <Quintasan> tis be magic
[19:21] <yofel> it even uses -sd if you use -s
[19:21] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: logs from what channel?
[19:21] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: debian-qt-kde
[19:21] <shadeslayer> yofel: so maybe I'm using it wrong
[19:22] <shadeslayer>  bzr-buildpackage-ppa -d saucy -s 3 -y 13.10 kiten                                                                                shadeslayer@solembum
[19:22] <shadeslayer> Error: Not a Debian package.
 there are several possibilities. 1) we wait for doko to respond. lol. 2) we track someone down with sufficient knowledge to help us. 3) we study hard and become 2)
 4) we wait for ubuntu to break as well, so we're at 1)
[19:22] <Quintasan> --> shadeslayer<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #debian-qt-kde
 we could also get shadeslayer to do 2)
[19:22] <yofel> shadeslayer: cd kiten ?
[19:22] <Quintasan> gtfo from kiten shadeslayer
[19:22] <Quintasan> I'm doing that
[19:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: so I already need to have the source downloaded?
[19:22] <shadeslayer> I thought it was going to do that itself :P
[19:22] <yofel> shadeslayer: well, you need the branch
[19:22] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: just an example
[19:22] <shadeslayer> ah
[19:22] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: pull the damn bzr packaging :P
[19:23] <shadeslayer> bbiab
[19:23] <Quintasan> shit it works!
[19:23] <yofel> i.e. kbzr co kiten; cd kiten; bzr-buildpackage-ppa
[19:23] <Quintasan> props to yofel for dem tools
[19:24] <yofel> Quintasan: thanks for that go to debfx, I just found it :P
[19:24] <Quintasan> I see
[19:24] <Quintasan> kubotu: order beer for debfx
[19:24]  * kubotu gives debfx a nice frosty mug of beer.
[19:25] <jefferai> Quintasan: Thou hast summoned e
[19:25] <jefferai> *me
[19:25] <Quintasan> Like how?
[19:25] <jefferai> Three minutes ago :-)
[19:25] <yofel> ofc. if the ppa doesn't have the tarball you'll have to download it first from ftpmaster.
[19:25] <yofel> bzr builddeb checks apt, get-orig-source target and watch file. But none of those point at unstable kde ftp
[19:26] <Quintasan> jefferai: oh
[19:26] <Quintasan> I pasted logs for shadeslayer since he is like, dunno
[19:27] <Quintasan> >usr/lib/libkiten.so.4.10.4.abi1
[19:27] <Quintasan> WHO THE HELL DOES THAT?
[19:27] <Quintasan> sorry for caps
[19:27] <yofel> Quintasan: please be telling pad that you work on kiten...
[19:27] <yofel> Quintasan: what? looks sane (for debian and kde...)
[19:28] <Quintasan> dem wildcards?
[19:28] <yofel> feel free to use one, the debian folks don't like them
[19:28] <Quintasan> I'll do it the Debian way then
[19:29] <Quintasan> Gotta get use to them
[19:34] <shadeslayer> intertesting
[19:34] <dantti_laptop> can I run that kubuntu armhf on a PI board? I need Qt5 packages on that thing... :P
[19:36] <shadeslayer> PI Board?
[19:36] <yofel> dantti_laptop: raspi? no
[19:36] <shadeslayer> ^^
[19:36] <shadeslayer> IIRC weren't there binaries for the Pi available?
[19:36] <dantti_laptop> yes raspi
[19:36] <yofel> but there were qt5 packages for #raspbian no?
[19:36] <shadeslayer> like, binaries from Nokia
[19:36] <shadeslayer> or maybe Digia
[19:37] <dantti_laptop> hmm I have found a qt5 repo for rapbian but they didn't work
[19:37] <yofel> what does kuser need nepomuk for o.O
[19:37] <dantti_laptop> trying to run went to an egl error
[19:37] <shadeslayer> yofel: don't you know, everything needs nepomuk now :P
[19:37] <shadeslayer> nepomuk ALL the things
[19:37] <yofel> oh, it's just kdepimlibs complaining in general
[19:37] <dantti_laptop> tag your best system users :P
[19:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: maybe close this now? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1176225
[19:39] <shadeslayer> smarter_: want to update nootka ? :D
[19:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: thanks, done
[19:39] <dantti_laptop> yofel: btw why it won't work with raspi? is the arm there somehow different?
[19:40] <shadeslayer> dantti_laptop: yep
[19:40] <yofel> 1
[19:40] <yofel> ^
[19:40] <shadeslayer> ARM v6 ISA vs ARM v7 ISA IIRC
[19:41] <dantti_laptop> I definetly doesn't get much how arm works, I see lots of companies do arm chips so I  always wonder what is arm  :P
[19:41] <dantti_laptop> isn't arm11 new enough?
[19:41] <yofel> arm is a mess of a bazillion different chip designes that don't play well together
[19:41] <shadeslayer> ^^
[19:41] <dantti_laptop> that's what I thought :P
[19:41] <shadeslayer> and when they do, it's marketed as the smartest device ever built
[19:42] <dantti_laptop> so I guess people just like arm for the price right?
[19:42] <Riddell> and low energy use
[19:42] <yofel> you mean like that arm.little thing? or how that mix was called
[19:42] <shadeslayer> dantti_laptop: though if you want to run ubuntu on a cheap device, there's the ODROID U2
[19:43] <yofel> shadeslayer: do we have a kernel guarantee for the odroid thing? if yes I might order myself one after all
[19:43] <dantti_laptop> shadeslayer: well I'm going to run a full app on that thing so maybe I won't even have a desktop..
[19:43] <shadeslayer> yofel: last I checked they did have a kernel
[19:44] <dantti_laptop> *full screen app
[19:44] <shadeslayer> http://dn.odroid.com/
[19:44] <yofel> hm, I'll look at it, thanks
[19:44] <shadeslayer> probably in there somewhere
[19:44] <dantti_laptop> I installed kde on that thing :P
[19:45] <shadeslayer> I would very much like to buy one for myself as well :P
[19:45] <shadeslayer> dantti_laptop: why not :D
[19:45] <dantti_laptop> after removing lots of stuff was almost useful :P
[19:45] <shadeslayer> dantti_laptop: oh? you've already played with a U2?
[19:45] <dantti_laptop> it ate +100mb of ram compared to xfce which is a lot on that thing :P
[19:45] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[19:45] <shadeslayer> it has 2 GB's of RAM
[19:46] <dantti_laptop> I have a raspi with 512mb
[19:46] <shadeslayer> oh you're talking about the RasPi
[19:46] <shadeslayer> yes
[19:46] <dantti_laptop> just brought one for a project I'm working now
[19:46] <yofel> kde is kinda usable on a raspi, but you do appreciate lxde for actual using it
[19:46] <shadeslayer> ^^
[19:46] <shadeslayer> my main issue was IO
[19:46] <shadeslayer> had a class 4 SD card only
[19:47] <dantti_laptop> I brought a class 10, but cpu usage is always 100% when I try to do stuff, like browsing..
[19:47] <dantti_laptop> but for what I need I think it will work a Qt5 Jukebox app (for real jukebox machines)
[19:48] <dantti_laptop> the app is almost done and might boostrap my company :P
[19:48] <dantti_laptop> *bootstrap
[19:48] <shadeslayer> neat :D
[19:48] <shadeslayer> dantti_laptop: you might want to search for bakepi.sh
[19:49] <shadeslayer> which is what the script to build Qt5 on the RasPi was called IIRC
[19:49] <yofel> build
[19:49] <yofel> raspi
[19:49] <shadeslayer> haha
[19:49] <yofel> you serious?
[19:49] <Quintasan> >WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[19:49] <Quintasan> WHAT
[19:49] <dantti_laptop> that might take 30 days :P
[19:49] <Quintasan> now
[19:49] <Quintasan> christ
[19:50] <yofel> Quintasan: why do you care?
[19:50] <Riddell> waa amarok crashes on startup
[19:50] <Quintasan> yofel: ppa builder
[19:50] <yofel> Quintasan: it should be ignored?
[19:50] <Quintasan> yofel: https://i142679573.restricted.launchpadlibrarian.net/142679573/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-amd64.kiten_4%3A4.10.80-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.10~ppa3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz?token=ee6f707a819bf5dfe3c8705b13112fa2
[19:50] <Quintasan> wat
[19:50] <shadeslayer> aha
[19:50] <shadeslayer> dantti_laptop: https://gitorious.org/+qtonpi
[19:50] <Quintasan> .sbuildrc
[19:51] <Quintasan> christ, what's going on with this ppa?
[19:51] <yofel> brrrrrr
[19:51] <yofel> retry
[19:51] <Quintasan> k
[19:51] <yofel> Quintasan: that has been popping up randomly the last few days
[19:52] <yofel> maybe spam #launchpad with the name of the builder this happened on
[19:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: https://github.com/hardkernel/linux
[19:52] <dantti_laptop> shadeslayer: thanks will take a look
[19:53] <yofel> shadeslayer: you know, not having to build my own kernel was one of the reasons why I stopped using gentoo ;P
[19:53] <shadeslayer> haha
[19:54] <shadeslayer> yofel: forums say that they have everything bundled up into a nice package
[19:54] <shadeslayer> http://forum.odroid.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=12
[19:54] <yofel> oh nice
[19:55] <shadeslayer> x11 drivers as well, though come with a EULA
[19:55] <shadeslayer> anyway, sleeping, it's quite late :)
[19:55] <shadeslayer> night
[19:56] <yofel> gn
[19:59] <Quintasan> HURR SBUILD
[20:12] <yofel> huh, strigi vanished from kdepim
[20:12] <yofel> good thing I guess
[20:16] <Quintasan> ffs
[20:16] <Quintasan> yofel: It still fails with the sbuild crap
[20:17] <yofel> did you just retry it? :(
[20:18] <yofel> oh, the mails have the builder name
[20:18] <yofel> so it seems hamsa is broken
[20:19]  * Quintasan goes to #launchpad
[20:21] <Quintasan> yofel: Proposed solution: HAMMER THIS BUILDER UNTIL THEY FIX IT!
[20:22] <yofel> nah, I see lots of mails from neon too today... reading it now
[20:22] <yofel> found something bad though looking at them :(
[20:22] <yofel> [Neon] [Bug 1191927] [NEW] Plasma-desktop crashes at startup
[20:23] <yofel> Unrecognized character \x95 at /home/buildd/.sbuildrc line 1.
[20:23] <yofel> Compilation failed in require at /usr/bin/sbuild line 488.
[20:23] <yofel> hamsa........
[20:23] <Quintasan> ehueheuheueheuheuehueheuehue
[20:23] <yofel> no wonder the build queues are empty :D
[20:23]  * Quintasan gives up for time being
[20:25] <yofel> Quintasan: brrrrr http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/neon_f.png
[20:26] <Quintasan> yofel: hamsa?
[20:26] <Quintasan> xD
[20:26] <yofel> some of it
[20:26] <yofel> some is s-d-o being too old o.O
[20:26] <yofel> which shouldn't happen
[20:27] <yofel> will look at it later
[20:27] <yofel> Quintasan: essentially, every amd64-only failed on there is hamsa ^^
[20:27] <yofel> *failure
[20:37] <yofel> vHanda: where's the current shared-desktop-ontologies repository at?
[20:37] <yofel> all I can find is the one on SF.net which has 0.10.51 which isn't enough for neon
[20:39] <yofel> (neon uses git://oscaf.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/oscaf/shared-desktop-ontologies)
[20:42] <yofel> Quintasan: Currently building on wani05, yay
[20:44] <yofel> heh, hamsa even killed kmix
[21:14]  * yofel wonders what to do with usr/lib/kde4/kcm_pimactivity.so
[21:32] <yofel> I need to re-setup icecc one of these days :S
[22:43]  * yofel still isn't sure where to put kcm_pimactivity http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/kcm_pimactivity.png
[23:12] <Jonah_> hey, is there a ppa for kde for ubuntu 13.10?
[23:14] <Jonah_> or, is it required to simply download the 13.10 kubuntu iso?
[23:46] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1173509] qtdemo application missing in qt4-demos @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1173509 (by Peter Würtz)