[18:32] <KM0201> remove card, go buy an Nvidia.. problem solved.. :)
[18:32] <damadprof> each time it loads classic perfectly but not ubuntu
[18:32] <KM0201> right, it will load Classic correctly, becuase it doesn't have 3D.
[18:32] <KM0201> dama.. do this.
[18:32] <KM0201> go to system/preferences appearance
[18:33] <KM0201> when you're there... I elieve one of the tabs is "Visual Effects"
[18:33] <Hobart> damadprof -> were you running with the fglrx accelerated 3D driver prior to natty?
[18:33] <damadprof> just looking now
[18:34] <damadprof> yes, this is a clean install
[18:34] <Hobart> ah, nm then
[18:34] <KM0201> ithat doesn't really matter, ok.
[18:34] <KM0201> oh.. nevermind
[18:34] <KM0201> didnt see hobar's question
[18:34] <KM0201> anyway.. do you see the visual effects tab?
[18:35] <damadprof> not yet :(
[18:35] <KM0201> damadprof, so when you go to system/preferences/appearance, you don't see a tab that says desktop effects, or visual effects
[18:36] <KM0201> cuz usually its there, ven if you don't have 3D enabled
[18:36] <Hobart> KM0201 -> Wasn't on my Natty system.
[18:36] <KM0201> Hobart, hmm, i just noticed its not on mine either
[18:37] <KM0201> damadprof, you're probably gonna have to install the ATI driver.. then install CCSM, and enable the unity plugin, then see if you can get on Unity
[18:37] <KM0201> thats the only thing i can think of.
[18:38] <KM0201> damadprof, you get lost?
[18:39] <damadprof> ok, I've scoured that no tab that I can see
[18:39] <KM0201> ok...
[18:39] <damadprof> theme backgrounds fonts thats all
[18:40] <KM0201> damadprof, ok.. sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[18:40] <damadprof> I have that open atm
[18:40] <KM0201> don't have what open
[18:41] <damadprof> I have compiz open
[18:41] <KM0201> the settings manager?
[18:41] <damadprof> yep
[18:41] <KM0201> ok, do you see the "Unity Plugin"
[18:42] <damadprof> the unity plugin is checked
[18:42] <KM0201> hmm
[18:42] <KM0201> ok.
[18:42] <KM0201> are you giving it a few seconds to load?.. i've found *sometimes* unity does take a bit longer to load... although for me, now its close to the same
[18:43] <damadprof> yes
[18:43] <KM0201> dunno then
[18:44] <damadprof> there is a QT plugin and that is also checked
[18:44] <KM0201> damadprof, dunno man.. are you using Kubuntu or Ubuntu
[18:45] <damadprof> ubuntu 11.04
[18:45] <KM0201> ok
[18:45] <damadprof> installed from cd image
[18:47] <ubuntuguy> KM, do you use system monitar indicator?
[18:48] <KM0201> i used to... it doesn't work in unity ( or at least not like i want it to)
[18:50] <ubuntuguy> It worked perfectly for me
[18:50] <ubuntuguy> I just need the output code
[18:50] <ubuntuguy> or a command to make it display my cpu again
[18:51] <KM0201> no clue
[18:51] <ubuntuguy> Aw, alright
[18:51] <incorrect> i guess come 11.10 there will be gubuntu
[18:52] <KM0201> gubuntu?
[18:52] <incorrect> well gnome won't be installed so i read
[18:52] <KM0201> ah.. it'll probably still be installed.. it'll probably just be Gnome 3...
[18:52] <KM0201> i can't see Ubuntu completely breaking from Gnome
[18:52] <incorrect> i thought only unity would be there
[18:52] <KM0201> its possible though
[18:53] <KM0201> Unity doesn't work well if you don't have 3D.. so you need some sort of "2D Fallback"
[18:53] <incorrect> KM0201, unity 2d?
[18:53] <incorrect> well even my piss poor netbook can run it
[18:53] <KM0201> i'd heard *of* that... but i don't know fi it actually exists or not.
[18:53] <incorrect> KM0201, its exists
[18:53] <KM0201> incorrect, right.. but some ATI devices can't (as hardcold is experiencing)
[18:53] <incorrect> its not so great
[18:54] <incorrect> oh driver issues
[18:54] <KM0201> exactly
[18:54] <KM0201> if ubuntu does default to Unity.. then i think we'll see Unity 3D, and Unit 2D, as options... but thats just my thinking
[18:54] <incorrect> i only use nvidia
[18:54] <incorrect> i refuse to use ati
[18:55] <KM0201> same here.. learned my lesson on ATI
[18:55] <incorrect> ati gfx driver suck under windows, so what hope does linux have
[18:55] <damadprof> thnx KM
[18:56] <incorrect> there should be an ubuntu recommended hard list
[18:58] <Daekdroom> incorrect, there is, sort of
[18:58] <ynotme-> firefox was beautifully removed without perpecussions on my natty.
[18:58] <incorrect> maybe stickers that say runs linux :D
[19:11] <KM0201> incorrect, put that linux cartoon in your window...lol
[19:12] <hardcold> okay
[19:12] <hardcold> wireless is now working
[19:12] <hardcold> partially
[19:12] <KM0201> good...
[19:12] <KM0201> what was wrong
[19:12] <hardcold> I can connect to open networks now
[19:12] <KM0201> ok..
[19:12] <bin_bash> KM0201:  I've completely determined the problem.
[19:12] <KM0201> bin_bash, whats wrong?
[19:12] <hardcold> I have no idea what was wrong, but the updates today seemed to have helped
[19:13] <bin_bash> NO linux distros (except 10.04 for some odd reason) can read my disc drive. Not even Puppy
[19:13] <KM0201> bin_bash, now that doesn't make any sense
[19:14] <bin_bash> KM0201:  I know. But that's what happens. In ArchBang and puppy I get this: /bin/sh: Can't access tty: Job control turned off
[19:15] <KM0201> bin_bash, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=421588
[19:16] <KM0201> bin_bash, thats old, but i assume it still works w/ 11.04
[19:16] <bin_bash> KM0201:  It's not a SATA
[19:16] <KM0201> you don't have a SATA hard drive?
[19:16] <bin_bash> no the cd drive
[19:16] <bin_bash> is ATAPI
[19:17] <bin_bash> Oh I misread
[19:17] <KM0201> that says the Hard drive being SATA..d oesn't say anything about the optical drive
[19:17] <bin_bash> Yeah I misread it
[19:18] <KM0201> ok.. no prob.
[19:18] <KM0201> try what it says, see if that helps
[19:19] <bin_bash> ok
[19:19] <bin_bash> brb
[19:20] <KM0201> http://xkcd.com/149/
[19:25] <bin_bash> KM0201:  Can't us the function keys
[19:25] <bin_bash> Tried it without that step, but it didn't work.
[19:25] <bin_bash> COuldn't mount.
[19:25] <KM0201> hmm
[19:26] <KM0201> doesn't make much sense bin_bash .. i dunno... never had an issue like that
[19:26] <bin_bash> Someone else has the same issue
[19:26] <bin_bash> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1730355
[19:28] <KM0201> bin_bash, wish i had an answer...
[19:28] <KM0201> you got an old atapi CD/DVD drive?
[19:28] <bin_bash> I wish ANYONE did! I've been on the thread with people installing natty on these computers, and nobody has responded to me.
[19:28] <bin_bash> KM0201:  Nope.
[19:29] <bin_bash> KM0201:  I called Apple yesterday and complained BITTERLY because my old MBP ran 10.04 beautifully and now I can't run it and the guy was very nice. He's looking into replacing this one with an older model. I mean, a free upgrade is nice, but if I can't use half my shit, then it's worthless.
[19:29] <bandit63> any one hearing of plymouth and grub problems?
[19:30] <KM0201> bin_bash, http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5077988&CatId=88
[19:30] <KM0201> bandit63, i've heard no such thing..
[19:30] <bandit63> well i bott ok so this is just a pretty issue
[19:30] <bandit63> boot'
[19:30] <bin_bash> KM0201:  I have NO money. Otherwise I'd just buy a new USB drive and install from there.
[19:30] <KM0201> true..
[19:30] <KM0201> bin_bash, don't have a thumb drive?
[19:30] <bin_bash> KM0201:  It's only 512MBs
[19:30] <KM0201> hmm.
[19:31] <KM0201> surely a friend has one you can borrow.
[19:31] <bin_bash> I'm going to ask my aunt if she has one when I go over there in a bit
[19:31] <KM0201> yea.. 1gig will get it done
[19:31] <bandit63> i cant get plymouth to work at boot all i get is a blank screen after grub starts
[19:32] <KM0201> bin_bash, if you're in the US... i know it doesn't help when you have $0... but CVS has these 4gig's drivs for 12.99.. i bought 2 last week..
[19:32] <KM0201> or maybe 2 weeks ago.
[19:32] <KM0201> made by lexar
[19:32] <bin_bash> KM0201:  Yeah if I had 13 bucks I'd get one!
[19:32] <KM0201> i understand
[19:32] <bandit63> what you needing to do?
[19:33] <KM0201> bin_bash, can you suck up to someone and ask them to buy you one?
[19:33] <KM0201> lol
[19:33] <bin_bash> LOL I wish!
[19:33] <bandit63> bin_bash,  what you trying to do?
[19:33] <KM0201> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5265598&CatId=1995
[19:33] <bin_bash> My dad only gives me money for emergencies, and to him not being able to install linux is not an emergency :(
[19:33] <KM0201> thats the exact one i have.. only $10 on tigerdirect.. but after shipping... might as well buy at cvs
[19:33] <bandit63> install issues oh what fun
[19:34] <bandit63> you have a usb reader and a flash card?
[19:34] <KM0201> dude, go steal a lawnmower, and cut someones grass for $15
[19:34] <bin_bash> hahahaha
[19:34] <bin_bash> I don't even know how to do that -.-
[19:34] <KM0201> you don't know how to cut grass? or how to steal?
[19:34] <bin_bash> bandit63:  NO distros can read my cd drive
[19:34] <bin_bash> I know how to steal, but not how to cut grass
[19:35] <bin_bash> KM0201: I think it's a problem with the kernel.  I tend to cuss like a sailor when overly frustrated. Like right now.
[19:37] <KM0201> but IdleOne can stay mad at you!  :)
[19:37] <bin_bash> This is true.
[19:37] <IdleOne> I don't get mad at anybody
[19:37] <KM0201> IdleOne, lol, i'm teasing.. honestly, i think you're one of the more level headed ops
[19:37] <IdleOne> well cept for my mechanic but that isn't Ubuntu related
[19:37] <bin_bash> LOL
[19:37] <KM0201> lol
[19:38] <bandit63> you have a macbook and no thumb drive?
[19:38] <bin_bash> bandit63:  it's only 512 MBs
[19:38] <KM0201> bandit63, has one, its only 512mb
[19:38] <bandit63> what macbook is it?
[19:38] <bin_bash> MacBook Pro 8,1
[19:39] <KM0201> he probably put every red cent he had on the macbook, and now he can't get a thumbdrive.
[19:39] <bin_bash> Nope. I got it for free. :P
[19:39] <KM0201> lol
[19:39] <KM0201> i just have a hard time believing, that unless you live in a cave, nobody has a thumb drive you can use.
[19:39] <KM0201> get one of those signs that says "Will work for Thumb drive"
[19:40] <ynotme-> those that have experimented with gtk themes and natty may  i ask what themes you find to be most aesthetically pleasing ?  browns and blacks don't typically suit me.
[19:40] <bin_bash> I had a 2009 MacBook Pro 5,5 and it ran 10.04 beautifully, but then the hardware got messed up and they gave me this brand new one for free, but the hardware is so brand-spanking new that there's no linux support for it.
[19:40] <bin_bash> KM0201:  Yeah I'm going to ask my aunt if they have one I can borrow
[19:40] <ynotme-> imo you'd have to be nuts if you wanted to have a job working on irc
[19:40] <bin_bash> I like working on ic.
[19:41] <bin_bash> irc*
[19:41] <bin_bash> It would be awesome if I got paid for opering ^,^
[19:41] <KM0201> ynotme-, eh.. it wouldn't be to bad.. some people take it way way way WAY to serious though
[19:41] <IdleOne> bin_bash: the salary is ok but the benefits are null
[19:41] <KM0201> bin_bash, well, given that most irc channels ar efree, it's gonna be tough for most channels/networks, to pay an op
[19:41] <IdleOne> :/
[19:41] <ynotme-> computers are precise things.  there are right and wrong ways to use them.
[19:41] <bandit63> ynotme-, i would look at gnome-look.org themes
[19:42] <bin_bash> KM0201:  Yeah I know. I help run an IRC network.
[19:42] <ynotme-> i'll try that.  no starter points ?
[19:42] <bin_bash> I have a server and everything
[19:42] <BluesKaj-den> Howdy gents , running gnome desktop on 10.10, but I have the folders from my home partition plastered on the desktop , however they aren't normal links/shortcuts.Deleting from the desktop also delets from my /home/user ...where do I find the settings to remove the folders form the desktop without deleting from /home/user/ ?
[19:42] <ali12341> ynotme-: human is the best gtk theme i have ever seen, and i spent a long time looking at themes
[19:42] <bandit63> bin_bash, according to the ubuntu page for macbook 8.1 cddvd works out of the box
[19:42] <ali12341> ynotme-: for kde too
[19:42] <ynotme-> ali12341, thats a good starting point thank you
[19:42] <bin_bash> bandit63:  Yeah I know. That's why I'm so confused. But I'm not the only one having this particular issue.
[19:42] <ali12341> ynotme-: human is the default theme from old ubuntu before they went with the black/purple look
[19:43] <knightautwell> trism_ hey howd you get the lyrics to work in exaile i added them to the tab 2 using kid3-qt but its still showing no lyrics found
[19:43] <KM0201> yup.
[19:43]  * KM0201 didn't like human, was glad to see it go
[19:43] <bin_bash> bandit63:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1730355
[19:43] <hardcold> wow, MBP 8,1, nice
[19:43] <hardcold> Mine is a 4,1 which I love
[19:43] <bandit63> ynotme-,  i run clearlooks controls with clearlooksclassic borders and elementry 1.7 icons
[19:44]  * KM0201 has a cheap acer laptop and a computer he built..
[19:44] <bin_bash> hardcold:  It's not nice. it's horrible. I can't install any Linux Distros. I called Apple and told them I wanted a downgrade.
[19:44] <KM0201> downgrade..lol
[19:44] <KM0201> bin_bash, i wouldn't get that serious bout it...
[19:44] <bin_bash> KM0201:  Dead serious. The guy is looking into it for me.
[19:44] <KM0201> i wouldn't do that
[19:44] <bin_bash> Why not?
[19:44] <bin_bash> I had a 5,5 that I loved.
[19:44] <ali12341> i wouldn't buy apple in the first place :/
[19:45] <bandit63> they will patch the kernel and all will be good
[19:45] <KM0201> because.. you want to downgrade to an older model.. if your aunt has a thumb drive, your problem si solved
[19:45] <hardcold> Well, I'll trade you mine
[19:45] <KM0201> or... like i said.. beg on the streets
[19:45] <hardcold> should run any distro you want great
[19:45] <bin_bash> "Will do horrible things for thumb drive"
[19:45] <KM0201> lol
[19:45] <KM0201> bin_bash, are you in the US?
[19:46] <bin_bash> I could wear a cleavage top or something. Some computer geek will be like "Hey baby I have a 4 gig thumb drive" *wink*
[19:46] <bin_bash> KM0201:  yeah
[19:46] <hardcold> has a larger screen, matte, DVI connection, express card, etc
[19:46] <KM0201> anywhere near indpls, IN?
[19:46] <bin_bash> KM0201:  Nope. North Carolina.
[19:46] <hardcold> pardon my missing the earlier conversation, but that computer has an SD slot
[19:46] <trism> knightautwell: did you save the file after you added the lyrics? (in exaile the Local item in the combobox on the lyrics tab shows the Lyrics tag)
[19:46] <bandit63> has a macbook pro and no money for a thumbdrive :O
[19:46] <hardcold> is that not bootable?
[19:46] <KM0201> we,l thats a long drive to give you a thumb drive..lol...
[19:46] <knightautwell> yea i did
[19:46] <bin_bash> LOL
[19:47] <bin_bash> bandit63:  I got the computer for free. Didn't pay a cent.
[19:47] <trism> knightautwell: also, did you add the tag as Lyrics, it may be case sensitive
[19:47] <bandit63> bin_bash, i know but its still ironic :P
[19:47] <ynotme-> aren't failure rates on 2009 and above apples high ?
[19:47] <KM0201> bandit63, i said the same thing earlier
[19:47] <KM0201> lol
[19:47] <knightautwell> is there a certain format the lyrics have to be in?
[19:47] <bin_bash> bandit63:  lol yeah it is. I'd have money if I didn't have to shell out 300 bucks to my lawyer.
[19:47] <trism> knightautwell: no, any text should do
[19:48] <bandit63> how are you going to get the iso onto the usb drive?
[19:48] <KM0201> OHHHH thats right.
[19:48] <KM0201> Macbooks are notorious for that
[19:48] <knightautwell> so not like <lyrics> text of lyrics <lyrics>
[19:48] <bin_bash> bandit63:  unetbootin?
[19:48]  * KM0201 can't believe there's not a ISO to USB utility for macs
[19:48] <KM0201> oh thats right.. forgot, unetbootin is out for macs now
[19:49] <bandit63> bin_bash,  do you have the macbook working or another computer you can use?
[19:49] <bin_bash> I have an iMac
[19:49] <bandit63> ppc or intel?
[19:49] <bin_bash> and the macbook works. I'm  on it right now
[19:49] <bin_bash> ppc
[19:49] <trism> knightautwell: yeah you can just type the text in the Text: section of the dialog that comes up after you add the Lyrics tag, you don't need html-style tags
[19:50] <KM0201> bandit63, he just can't boot a Linux CD on it.
[19:50] <bin_bash> ^
[19:50] <knightautwell> ok i tried both just to check and i only have one tag on it?
[19:50] <bandit63> whats the error he gets?
[19:50] <bin_bash> I get a couple
[19:50] <KM0201> bandit63, he linked it earlier, and tried a fix that was in another thread... no joy
[19:51] <bin_bash> When I try 11.04 I get this: "Unable to find medium containing a live file system"
[19:51] <KM0201> Ghostrider responded in the negative.
[19:51] <bandit63> have you tried the alt-installer?
[19:51] <KM0201> hmm, thats a good point
[19:51] <bin_bash> With the other distros I've tried (Puppy, ArchBang) I get: /bin/sh: can't access tty: job control turned off
[19:51] <KM0201> but i doubt that'll work either.
[19:52] <ynotme-> hard drives in imacs fail like mad
[19:52] <trism> knightautwell: can I see a screenshot of kid3 after you have added the Lyrics tag?
[19:52] <bin_bash> ynotme-: I've had that baby since 2006 and the HDD is a charm. Had the logicboard replaced twice and the LCD replaced twice though
[19:52] <knightautwell> yea hold on.
[19:52] <ynotme-> thats an older model
[19:52] <KM0201> trism, i build computers (hobbyist) for friends, family, occasionally for money... and i've noticed a HUGE decline in hard drive quality.. not just on macs, but from Seagate, WD, Hitachi, etc.
[19:53] <ynotme-> what brand do you recommend today
[19:53] <ynotme-> KM0201 ?
[19:53] <KM0201> ah.. honestly, they all suck
[19:53] <KM0201> the one that seems to be the best now though
[19:53] <hardcold> km0201, mac's use seagate, wd, hitachi, etc., Apple doesn't make HD's...
[19:53] <KM0201> is the Hitachi Spinpoint
[19:53] <ynotme-> thank you
[19:53] <KM0201> hardcold, i know that.. my point was.. its not mac's fault..
[19:54] <KM0201> ynotme-, if you order though, KEEP YOUR DOCUMENTATION AND WARRANTY INFO... just in case it fails...
[19:54] <bandit63> it could be "apples" fault if they did something wrong with the design
[19:54] <Sonja> my notification area disappeared from my bar
[19:54] <Sonja> no wifi info
[19:54] <Sonja> i tried adding it back, and it seems to be there, but no icons in it
[19:54] <KM0201> bandit63, well, apple just orders a hard drive.. they don't personally make them.
[19:54] <ynotme-> i always keep receipts and usually the info is on the hard drive itself
[19:54] <bin_bash> Okay. I'm going over to my aunt's. I'll find out if she has a thumb drive. At which point. YAY!  "Notification area" and if that doesn't do it, add "Indicator Applet"
[19:55] <bin_bash> bandit63:  yeah basically
[19:56] <bandit63> then its not a cd drive problem
[19:56] <bandit63> i found a thread that might help
[19:56] <bin_bash> :O
[19:56] <Sonja> ok i added indicator applet. thanks
[19:56] <Sonja> i didn't have that one
[19:56] <KM0201> :)
[19:56] <KM0201> bandit63, we know its not a cd drive problem
[19:56] <bin_bash> bandit63:  link to threa?
[19:56] <KM0201> its a problem w/ the chipset on the motherboard(that runs the cd drive) not properly being recognized by the linux kernel
[19:56] <bin_bash> ^
[19:56] <Sonja> with indicator applet, i see sound control, the little envelope, and another software i installed
[19:56] <bin_bash> Yeah that
[19:57] <Sonja> but still no wifi/network icon
[19:57] <Hobart> Under the new Natty desktop, where does one go to get the "Connect to server" dialog to open a network share from your LAN?
[19:57] <bandit63> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1571097.html
[19:57] <Sonja> if it's safe to upgrade to unity, i'll do that
[19:57] <trism> knightautwell: hmm, even if I type it in lower case, it automatically capitalizes it, so that can't be the issue
[19:58] <knightautwell> i know lol im uploading it now post a link in a sec
[19:58] <ynotme-> i have a question.  my cpu and motherboard support turbo boost like the i7's maxxed out under previous released it would never go into turbo under windows it had required a utility to step up to turbo
[19:58] <KM0201> Sonja, are you sure you addedn otification area?
[19:58] <bin_bash> brb guise
[19:58] <bandit63> could be a gfx card problem not a chipset
[19:58] <bandit63> have you tried changing the kernel boot options bin_bash ?
[19:59] <KM0201> bin_bash, good luck, may the force be with you... if you don't think asking is working, get on your knees and beg and whine
[19:59] <KM0201> bandit63, ys he has.. that was suggested in another thread on this subject.. didn't work
[19:59] <Hobart> found it https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+question/147759
[19:59] <bandit63> i had a mac do this and had to use a older version to boot then upgrade then upgrade
[19:59] <Sonja> oh i think i may have disabled notifications somehow
[19:59] <Sonja> in my putzing around
[19:59] <Sonja> i just need to remember where i did that
[19:59] <KM0201> Sonja, thats possible.
[20:00] <Sonja> in the registry? )
[20:00] <Sonja> :)
[20:00] <bin_bash> bandit63:  function keys dont work lol
[20:00] <KM0201> Sonja, honestly, i don't know.
[20:00] <Sonja> i'll find it :)
[20:00] <bandit63> bin_bash,  dont need the function keys should be able to add them without
[20:01] <bin_bash> bandit63:  I'll be back in a little while and if I don't have a usb then we'll try that
[20:01] <bandit63> or plug in the keyboard from your imac to the macbook
[20:01] <bandit63> ok
[20:01] <bandit63> back to my issue
[20:01] <bandit63> have they changed the way you switch plymouth themes?
[20:02] <bandit63> sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth  sudo update-initramfs -u  sudo plymouthd sudo plymouth --show-splash
[20:02] <bandit63> i get plymouth theme at shutdown not at start
[20:02] <Sonja> can i borrow somebody's /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.freedesktop.Notifications.service
[20:03] <bandit63> you need to reset notification area?
[20:03] <Sonja> yes
[20:03] <Sonja> i thnk i removed that file
[20:04] <bandit63> gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Panel systray-whitelist "['JavaEmbeddedFrame', 'Mumble', 'Wine', 'Skype', 'hp-systray']"
[20:04] <bandit63> is what you need
[20:04] <bandit63> see this page http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/how-to-re-enable-notification-area.html
[20:04] <Sonja> thanks you
[20:04] <bandit63> no problem hope it helps
[20:04] <Sonja> i think i did this: http://www.killertechtips.com/2009/04/26/disable-notifications-in-ubuntu-904-jaunty-jackalope/
[20:05] <bandit63> if you are running unity then that was not what you wanted to do
[20:05] <bandit63> probably'
[20:05] <Sonja> i don't think i'm on unity
[20:05] <Sonja> the bar thingy looks the same as 10.10
[20:05] <trism> Sonja: all you need to do for that is: sudo apt-get --reinstall install notify-osd;
[20:06] <Sonja> cool
[20:06] <Sonja> is control-alt-backspace no longer in ubuntu?
[20:06] <Sonja> brb
[20:06] <KM0201> Sonja, you gotta turn it on... its disabled by default
[20:06] <hardcold> Can Ubuntu share an ethernet connection via wifi like OSX?
[20:07] <bandit63> ehehehe
[20:07] <FoolishOwl> I noticed that a package, fgfs-base, is available as 2.0.0-1 as a source package, but 1.9.0-1 as a binary package. Is that a bug to report, or is it something that will be handled automatically?
[20:07] <bandit63> :|
[20:13] <knightautwell> trism_ you still here?
[20:14] <mongy> what was the name of that package I need to remove to get back the plain panel in classic mode.
[20:15] <knightautwell> heres the link to my screenshot      http://s1177.photobucket.com/albums/x346/knightautwell/?action=view&current=Screenshot-1.png
[20:16] <FoolishOwl> So there's an up-to-date source package, but not an up-to-date binary package. Is that a problem to report?
[20:17] <KM0201> knightautwell, looks pretty good.. are you using unity?
[20:17] <KM0201> well, obviously not.
[20:18] <knightautwell> well im on classic atm
[20:18] <trism> knightautwell: looks correct to me, so it doesn't show up if you set the combobox in the lyrics tab in exaile to Local?
[20:19] <knightautwell> nope i set it to local and any and it still doesnt
[20:21] <trism> knightautwell: very odd
[20:22] <knightautwell> i know lol
[20:22] <picca> anyone here used autofs to mount a directory into your encrypted home directory and if so how did you get it to work properly
[20:28] <trism> knightautwell: my only guess is that maybe exaile is having a problem with one of the other tags, maybe there is something in one of the ~/.local/share/exaile/logs/
[20:30] <FoolishOwl> If there is a source package available, shouldn't there be a corresponding binary package? If there isn't, is it a problem, and who should I talk to about it?
[20:31] <Sonja> i'm getting kernel problems now
[20:31] <Sonja> is that normal? :)
[20:32] <knightautwell> ok ill chcek it out
[20:33] <trism> knightautwell: might also try removing the tag 1 fields, looks like there are some invalid characters for that section in there, might be an issue
[20:33] <knightautwell> i did once i just added them back and stil ldidnt show
[20:33] <knightautwell> *didnt
[20:38] <trism> knightautwell: hmm, well the logs won't be any help, I found a file here that won't show lyrics as well, but exaile doesn't show any errors even with --debug on
[20:39] <knightautwell> so im out of luck lol?
[20:43] <Sonja> i thnk i'm on beta1 how do i upgrade to beta2?
[20:44] <guntbert> Sonja: if you update your system you are on beta2
[20:45] <FoolishOwl> Sonja, I think if you keep up with the updates, you're already using beta2.
[20:45] <Sonja> it didn't switch on Unity i dont think
[20:54] <trism> knightautwell: nope, I found it, you need to have the Title and Artist tags properly set or exaile throws a LyricsNotFoundException before even looking at the lyrics tag
[20:55] <knightautwell> wait hu? i had them right tho what do you mean
[20:58] <trism> knightautwell: in the screenshot they have invalid characters that may be causing it to fail, and you can't just delete them because if they are not there, it fails too
[20:58] <knightautwell> does the album artist have to be the same as the first tag also?
[20:59] <knightautwell> ok hold on let me change them
[20:59] <trism> knightautwell: try installing id3v2 and then run: id3v2 -l path_to_file; and pastebin the results (if changing them doesn't work)
[21:05] <bin_bash> KM0201:  you still here?
[21:05] <bin_bash> bandit-away:  you still here/
[21:05] <hardcold> hello bin_bash
[21:05] <bin_bash> hey hardcold
[21:05] <bin_bash> I got a thumb drive :D
[21:06] <hardcold> hopefully one of those two will be back then...
[21:06] <knightautwell> thanks trism its working now!!
[21:07] <trism> knightautwell: excellent
[21:08] <knightautwell> i found out what the problem was lol
[21:08] <hardcold> bin_bash I'm on day 2 of using ubuntu, or any version of linux, so I can't assist, but I'd be curious to hear about what was going on
[21:09] <bin_bash> Ah. I used Ubuntu 10.04 for several months. I'm having linux withdrawal. Sometimes I ssh into my server just to watch things install from the command line.
[21:09] <coz_> :)
[21:10] <hardcold> bin_bash so you want it for personal rather than professional reasons?
[21:10] <bin_bash> hardcold:  yeah
[21:10] <knightautwell> well i g2g be back on later
[21:10] <hardcold> because you were talking about replacing the computer with an older one
[21:11] <hardcold> If it's personal, than just wait a bit until it's fully supported
[21:11] <bin_bash> Yeah. I'm also having my mom send me an old dell laptop.
[21:11] <bin_bash> She's like "Why would you want this it doesn't even have a wireless card!'
[21:11] <coz_> :)
[21:11] <coz_> bin_bash,  wow she sounds alarmingly up to date
[21:11] <coz_> :)
[21:11] <hardcold> I got an x120e to try this out with
[21:11] <bin_bash> alarmingly up to date? lolwat?
[21:11] <hardcold> so, new computer and beta software
[21:12] <hardcold> it's been interesting
[21:12] <coz_> bin_bash,  I mean my mom still thinks computers are evil :)
[21:12] <lwizardl> where do I make sugestions for natty?
[21:12] <bin_bash> hahaha. my mom is using an adroid phone
[21:12] <coz_> lwizardl,  suggestions?  like what?
[21:13] <lwizardl> coz_, how fixes to the right click menu
[21:13] <hardcold> bin_bash did you discuss your issue with coz_? He is pretty sharp
[21:13] <coz_> lwizardl,  oh,, ah  mm,, you you have fixes for it or suggestions for improvements?
[21:13] <bin_bash> coz_:  I am having the most AWESOME issue EVER!
[21:14] <coz_> lol
[21:14] <coz_> bin_bash,  ah oh  I am now pressed to come up with a solutions of which I may nothing about :)
[21:14] <rwhittle> a bug that should never be fixed ? :)
[21:14] <lwizardl> suggestions for an inprovement. one issue has been around for a long time and never seems to be found a way to change it
[21:14] <coz_> lwizardl,  that's interesting  really,, I am not sure   ,, you could try #ubuntu-dev  channel
[21:15] <coz_> lwizardl,  which is the one issue that has been around for a while?
[21:15] <lwizardl> coz_, ok will try in that
[21:15] <lwizardl> coz_, when you right click on almost any file you get the option to compress it, except ISO images
[21:15] <bin_bash> So, I have this computer, it's a 2011 MacBook Pro 8,1. I have 10.04 installed but I can't do ANYTHING with it (not even ethernet internet) because there aren't any drivers! When I put in the 11.04 CD it gets past the spalsh screen and loads init and then says "Unable to locate medium containing a live file system"
[21:15] <coz_> lwizardl,  but arent iso's  already compressed?
[21:15] <coz_> let me try here
[21:16] <coz_> lwizardl,  yes no option to compress an iso
[21:16] <bin_bash> When I try Puppy or ArchBang, I get /bin/sh: can't access tty: job control turned off
[21:16] <hardcold> bin_bash, did you try 10.10?
[21:16] <lwizardl> well lots of people prefer to make iso images into multipart files example 100mb rar files to keep for later use
[21:16] <bin_bash> yeah same thing
[21:17] <coz_> bin_bash,  this is for an installed system...yes?
[21:17] <hardcold> bin_bash, do you have windows installed on that?
[21:17] <lwizardl> I do it all the time for mine, I end up either doing it from terminal or sometime from the archive manager
[21:18] <bin_bash> coz_: I can't run the livecd and I can't isntall
[21:18] <bin_bash> hardcold:  no
[21:19] <coz_> bin_bash, ah ok   mm...you may be able to edit the boot sequence ,,  and add  acpi=off irqpoll   to the kernel stanze it uses... then press enter and let the live cd go from there
[21:19] <bin_bash> coz_:  what would editing the boot sequence do?
[21:20] <coz_> bin_bash,  it should boot with specific things enabled or disabled   ,,, or with acpi -force irqpoll or  nacpitimer irqpoll
[21:20] <coz_> one of those should work
[21:20] <bin_bash> coz_:  how would I do that
[21:20] <coz_> bin_bash,  I can rememer with  crunchbang I would get that error frequently
[21:21] <bin_bash> with archbang and puppy i got /bin/sh: can't access tty: job control turned off
[21:21] <coz_> bin_bash,  ah I believe the option on the live cd is just as after you see that keyboard logo at the bottom and you  hit enter to get to the menus
[21:21] <coz_> bin_bash,   I cant remember too speicifically since I no nlonger use live cds
[21:21] <bin_bash> coz_:  function keys dont work
[21:21] <coz_> oh!
[21:22] <coz_> bin_bash,  have you googled       ubuntu t /bin/sh: can't access tty: job control turned off
[21:22] <coz_> bin_bash,   some of the solutions may be in a several posts
[21:22] <coz_> bin_bash,     http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=421588
[21:23] <bin_bash> i don't get that error with ubuntu. i get it with archbang and puppy. with ubuntu i get unable to locate medium containing live filesystem. which i did google, and have not found any working solutions
[21:23] <bin_bash> coz_:  I tried that
[21:23] <bin_bash> function key doesnt work and it doesn't work without the first step. can't mount the cdrom
[21:24] <hardcold> bin_bash, did you go over the natty article for the mbp 8,1? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro8-1/Natty
[21:24] <bin_bash> hardcold:  yep
[21:25] <bin_bash> posted in there twice
[21:25] <hardcold> k
[21:25] <bin_bash> I've been crawling all over the forums for weeks lol
[21:27] <coz_> ok guys I have to break here,,, supper time and I need a break,, be back later
[21:28] <hardcold> supper time? I wonder what country he is in...
[21:28] <bin_bash> maybe canada or south america or europe
[21:29] <hardcold> I'd guess europe
[21:29] <bin_bash> well it's 21:30 in europe
[21:30] <hardcold> well, certain parts of europe
[21:30] <hardcold> ;)
[21:30] <hardcold> it's not one time zone for the continent
[21:31] <SwedeMike> and it's not 21:30 in most of europe, it's 22:30 in most of europe.
[21:31] <bin_bash> It's 21:30 in Germany and most of western europe
[21:31] <guntbert> bin_bash: no
[21:32] <guntbert> bin_bash: DST
[21:32] <bin_bash> ooooh right
[21:32] <hardcold> It's 20:30 in the best parts of Europe
[21:32] <hardcold> ^_-
[21:32] <guntbert> hardcold: hardly
[21:32] <hardcold> I'm looking at you Iceland
[21:32] <guntbert> !ot
[21:33] <bin_bash> guntbert:  Have you ever heard of this error: Unable to find medium containing live file system
[21:34] <guntbert> bin_bash: yes, yesterday, wasn't it you?
[21:34] <bin_bash> yeah
[21:34] <bin_bash> so I tried ArchBang and Puppy and I got /bin/sh: can't access tty: job control turned off
[21:35] <guntbert> so no luck with that? sorry to hear
[21:36] <guntbert> bin_bash: http://asprakash.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/solution-for-binsh-can%E2%80%99t-access-tty-job-control-turned-off-error/ says to set acpi=off
[21:36] <bin_bash> fn keys dont work
[21:37] <ubuntu> i am in live cd ,how logout ?
[21:37] <bin_bash> still doesn't help me. I only downloaded puppy to see if it'd read the CD
[21:38] <ivan_> i must install cpufreq or any similar on my laptop asus n61 ( Intel i7 720qm 1,6ghz )
[21:38] <ivan_> for manage cpu power ?
[21:41] <KM0201> bin_bash, no luck on the USB?
[21:41] <bin_bash> KM0201:  I got one!!!!!!
[21:41] <ubuntu> i am in live cd ,how logout ?
[21:41] <KM0201> bin_bash, great
[21:41] <bin_bash> KM0201:  it's 2 gigs but it has some stuff on it
[21:42] <KM0201> bin_bash, well, just save it on the hard drive somewhere, and format it... then when you're done with it, put it back
[21:42] <bin_bash> is that safe?! if i damage this stuff they'll never forgive me ever
[21:42] <bin_bash> in fact they'll kill me probably
[21:42] <KM0201> why would it not be safe?
[21:42] <bin_bash> idk
[21:42] <bin_bash> it's not my shit
[21:42] <KM0201> ok
[21:42] <ubuntu> KM0201, i am in live cd ,how logout and login again ?
[21:43] <bin_bash> I'm paranoid about other people's shit
[21:43] <KM0201> then copy the stuff thats on the thumb drive, onto your 512mb thumb drive (assuming it fits)
[21:43] <bin_bash> i dont think it will i think it's like 600MBs worht iof stuff
[21:43] <KM0201> bin_bash, i understand that, but if you save it to your hard drive, you should be ok.
[21:44] <bin_bash> ok
[21:45] <hardcold> bin_bash, you don't have an SD card?
[21:45] <hardcold> that computer has an SD slot
[21:46] <bin_bash> I have a microsd but no adapter
[21:46] <hardcold> That's how I installed ubuntu on my x120e
[21:46] <KM0201> ubuntu, what are you doing that you need to log out on the live cd?
[21:47] <ubuntu> KM0201, i installed wireless driver wl
[21:48] <KM0201> ubuntu, logging in/out won't change that, which wireless driver did you install?
[21:48] <hardcold> bin_bash, you could also copy the stuff on that USB stick to your iMac
[21:48] <ubuntu> KM0201, wl
[21:48] <KM0201> ..
[21:48] <bin_bash> oh good idea
[21:48] <KM0201> whats your wireless device
[21:48] <bin_bash> 2 places
[21:48] <ubuntu> KM0201, broadcom
[21:48] <KM0201> boy your full of answers.. WHICH ONE
[21:48] <hardcold> bin_bash, you're welcome ^_-
[21:48] <ubuntu> KM0201, 4312
[21:49] <KM0201> ubuntu, did you use the STA driver, or the b43?
[21:49] <ubuntu> KM0201, sta
[21:50] <KM0201> copy paste this line in a terminal....  $ sudo modprobe -r b43 ssb wl
[21:50] <KM0201> then hit enter... enter your password,... when it goes back to the prompt.... type sudo modprobe wl
[21:51] <KM0201> then wait about 10-15sec, and your wireless should work
[21:52] <ivan_> i can install any applet for change my laptop cpu freq ?
[22:02] <bin_bash> KM0201:  I'm burning their stuff to a CD so it's backed up to a 3rd medium JUST IN CASE BECAUSE I'M PARANOID LIKE THAT. YEAH LIKE A BAU5
[22:02] <hardcold> hmm, I just went install Abode Air, but software center says "wrong architecture i386" so I guess I need to install the 32-bit Ubuntu?
[22:03] <bin_bash> wat
[22:04] <KM0201> bin_bash, remind me if i ever loan out my USB, to loan it to you... i'll get a free cd backup
[22:04] <bin_bash> :P
[22:04] <bin_bash> <3
[22:04] <KM0201> ;)
[22:05] <KM0201> but seriously, thats good, that you're at least respectful of not losing their stuff.
[22:05] <bin_bash> yeah
[22:05] <hardcold> and have your personal data spread out 3-ways...
[22:05] <KM0201> lol
[22:06] <bin_bash> yes. on 2 HDDs and a CD
[22:06] <step21> hardcold: there is a workaround
[22:06] <hardcold> step21 oh?
[22:07] <KM0201> man, the fonts on Google Earth 6 and Natty, are ALL JACKED UP.
[22:07] <bin_bash> KM0201:  do you have AIM/Yahoo/Skype
[22:07] <hardcold> step21 googling now
[22:08] <KM0201> bin_bash, yes... i'd rather not give my name out here.. but if you PM Me, i'll give it to you.
[22:08] <step21> hardcold: jamesward.com/2010/10/14/install-adobe-air-on-64-bit-ubuntu-10-10
[22:09] <step21> there could also be a ppa for it, but I think it stopped working
[22:10] <daniel__> hello is anyone here that could help me with some stuff ? like internet and getting hot conrners wokring
[22:11] <daniel__> hello is anyone here that could help me with some stuff ? like internet and getting hot conrners wokring
[22:13] <KM0201> daniel__, if your internet is not working, how are you here, and i have absolutely no idea what hot corners are
[22:13] <step21> daniel__: if they don
[22:14] <step21> 't work by default install ccsm and fiddle with the settings
[22:14] <daniel__> KM0201, im using my phone as wired tether
[22:15] <KM0201> daniel__, ok... so what is not working?... wireless?
[22:15] <daniel__> KM0201, yeh
[22:15] <KM0201> ok.. whats your wireless device?
[22:15] <daniel__> KM0201, but i go to additional drivers and see that is say mine is in use already
[22:16] <KM0201> ok.. WHAT IS YOUR WIRELESS DEVICE
[22:16] <KM0201> ..
[22:16] <daniel__> not quite sure but i  think its broadcome sta wireless driver
[22:16] <KM0201> i'm assuming since its in additional drivers, its a broadcom
[22:16] <KM0201> ok...
[22:17] <daniel__> i had to wait for it to open sry
[22:17] <KM0201> open a terminal, and type "lspci" (lowercase L) no quotes, and hit enter.. go through the list, and find your wireless device, and tell me how its identifie.d
[22:17] <daniel__> ok
[22:18] <daniel__> 05:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN (rev 01
[22:18] <daniel__> would that be it ?
[22:18] <KM0201> that would be it.. hang on, i think you need b43 for that
[22:18] <KM0201> ok..
[22:19] <KM0201> go to synaptic package manager (system/admin/synaptic.. if your'e using gnome classic)
[22:19] <daniel__> nope im using whatever this new thing is
[22:19] <daniel__> but i got it
[22:19] <KM0201> ok.
[22:19] <daniel__> ok im there
[22:19] <KM0201> click on the "Applications" button... (+ sign folder)
[22:19] <Hybridtheoryb4> im having trouble installing 11.04 using wubi
[22:19] <KM0201> all right..
[22:20] <KM0201> now... just to be safe.. in the top left, click "reload"
[22:20] <KM0201> and let it reload your source list
[22:20] <daniel__> ok its dowloading stuff
[22:20] <KM0201> ok
[22:20] <daniel__> it takes a sec cause im using my phone conection
[22:20] <step21> Hybridtheoryb4: i think wubi always takes longer to properly install a new version. try again when it say it's supporte)?
[22:20] <KM0201> thats fine... i gotta leave in about 25-30min, for about 2hrs, but this shoudln't take that long
[22:20] <daniel__> ok
[22:21] <KM0201> now... where it says quick search... type "dkms".. and you should see a package come up, is it installed?
[22:21] <KM0201> it'll have a green dot next to it, if its installed
[22:21] <Hybridtheoryb4> i did it with my friend and we had no problems
[22:22] <Hybridtheoryb4> i get a root file system is not defined after booting it
[22:22] <KM0201> Hybridtheoryb4, welcome to the cold reality that when wubi fails, it's spectacular!
[22:22] <KM0201> daniel__, was dkms installed?
[22:23] <daniel__> its 3/4th done
[22:23] <bin_bash> KM0201:  it hasn't asked me to reformat lol
[22:23] <KM0201> daniel__, so you had to install it?
[22:23] <Hybridtheoryb4> KM0201 so my only hope is to keep on trying the install because i also tryed 10.10 and i got the same error
[22:23] <bin_bash> oh and I got this
[22:23] <KM0201> bin_bash, hmm, it should have...
[22:23] <bin_bash> KM0201:  The created USB device will not boot off a Mac.  I'll have to do it the long way
[22:26] <KM0201> daniel__, did you get lost?
[22:26] <step21> bin_bash: true. I know.
[22:26] <russjr08> guys I think my Kubuntu 11.04 Beta 2 installation has froze :(
[22:27] <hardcold> step21, if you can create the USB device in OSX using instructions, could someone not write a program to do it?
[22:27] <KM0201> russjr08, prolly did, kubuntu 11.04 sucks.
[22:27] <KM0201> daniel__, did you get lost?
[22:28] <KM0201> lol
[22:28] <KM0201> irc on an ipod..lol
[22:29] <KM0201> to think i only use an ipod at the gym
[22:29] <russjr08-iPod> Yup
[22:29] <Hybridtheoryb4> KM0201: i installed 10.10 but got the same error is there a way to fix the error or is there another way you would suggest to install it with also windows
[22:29] <picca> love alt+f2 in ubuntu 11.04
[22:30] <KM0201> Hybridtheoryb4, i would have never messed with Wubi in the first place.. I'd have created a traditional dual boot system,...
[22:30] <KM0201> honestly, i know very little about wubi(but what i knw, i don't like)... and know little about rescuing a system that wubi has bricked
[22:31] <Hybridtheoryb4> KM0201 if it work fine when booting into demo mode should it install fine
[22:31] <Hybridtheoryb4> from a disc that is
[22:31] <KM0201> in theory, yes... but the problem is, if you've already to tried to install w/ Wubi, you need to get wubi off of the machine before you start messing w/ trying to partition the drive
[22:32] <Hybridtheoryb4> i all ready have removed it i even was installing onto a partition i created for it
[22:33] <KM0201> so wubi is gone?
[22:33] <Hybridtheoryb4> yup
[22:33] <Hybridtheoryb4> and what would you suggest for a boot loader then and do i have to install ubuntu before windows
[22:34] <Hybridtheoryb4> or can i just install onto my other partiont i have made for it after i make it bootable
[22:34] <Hybridtheoryb4> *partition
[22:36] <Hybridtheoryb4> KM0201?
[22:37] <KM0201> sorry Hybridtheoryb4 got caught in a PM w/ someone else
[22:37] <KM0201> the ubuntu CD will install a boot loader
[22:37] <Hybridtheoryb4> ok
[22:38] <Hybridtheoryb4> what file format should i use for my linux partition
[22:38] <KM0201> Hybridtheoryb4, if you wait till i get back (i'm gonna be leaving in about 10-15min.)... i'll talk you through partitioning and installing if you need it... its really not hard.
[22:38] <step21> hardcold: it's not a problem of the program. it's a problem with mac firmware being very flaky about booting anything else but os x from usb (that then would run in what apple calls 'legacy mode') or bootcamp.
[22:38] <KM0201> Hybridtheoryb4, the installer will set up and format the partition.
[22:38] <Hybridtheoryb4> i know how to do it i just want to make sure if it will be fine with a ntfs partition at the start
[22:39] <KM0201> Hybridtheoryb4, i don't see why it wouldnt be...
[22:39] <Hybridtheoryb4> ok off i go to try
[22:39] <KM0201> good luck
[22:39] <KM0201> may the force be with you.
[22:39] <step21> Hybridtheoryb4: generally it is, just make sure that it knows that you want to keep that
[22:39]  * KM0201 agrees
[22:40] <Hybridtheoryb4> new to linux ive dual booted mac with 7 before so i just wanted to make sure
[22:40] <Hybridtheoryb4> thanks
[22:40] <rooks> are there any plans to replace gwibber with something that doesnt hog all of cpu?
[22:43] <arand> rooks: Afaik, gwibber is one of the few (only?) microbloggers that have been integrated into the me menu, so presumably no, not until something equivalent/better comes along.
[22:45] <Pilif12p> Why do links in xchat open a new Firefox window now? The link itself doesn't even open, it just opens to the homepage
[22:46] <nijabo> Links in Xchat works for me.
[22:46] <Pilif12p> hm
[22:47] <Pilif12p> It's set as the default browser...
[22:48] <hardcold> works here Pilif12p, it opens a new tab
[22:48] <KM0201> back in a bit fellas
[22:51] <kenneth__> How do I change screen resolution in natty?
[22:52] <nijabo> Control Center
[22:52] <nijabo> It's at the power button
[22:52] <nijabo> Should be in there
[22:53] <kenneth__> That did it! Thanks very much!!
[22:53] <nijabo> Np
[22:54] <Ian_Corne> weird
[22:54] <Ian_Corne> whenever I suspend with totem on
[22:54] <Ian_Corne> it's closed when I get back
[22:54] <nijabo> weird indeed
[22:56] <nijabo> Downloading .iso's for Gnome3 and 11.04b2
[22:56] <nijabo> Going to give them both another try
[22:57] <rooks> arand, okay, thx :)
[23:09] <Hybridtheoryb4> Ok so i was trying to install ubuntu with my windows also but when i run the intaller it doesn't give me the choice to install beside a os because it doesn't recognize any os
[23:10] <nijabo> Weird
[23:11] <Hybridtheoryb4> yah any suggestion
[23:12] <nijabo> Nope, sorry :/
[23:16] <nijabo> What's the best filesystem to use for a liveUSB partition?
[23:17] <Hybridtheoryb4> depends on size
[23:17] <Hybridtheoryb4> but i would think ntfs
[23:18] <rooks> nijabo, i seen use of aufs + tmpfs and save data on shutdown
[23:18] <cyberkilla> Anyone having problems with Natty, the latest repository proprietary NVidia driver, and resizing terminals? When I resize the XFCE terminal, a black rectangle appears (and grows/shrinks) when I resize the terminal. It only happens with compositing disabled.
[23:18] <Hybridtheoryb4> im trying to intall natty but it wont recognize my windows partition
[23:19] <cyberkilla> Will there be another proprietary NVidia driver release before Natty is final?
[23:21] <bin_bash> Hybridtheoryb4:  did you try gparted?
[23:22] <ripps> cyberkilla: if you want the latest nvidia drivers as they are released, just add the ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates and your system will install them when you update. Right now, Natty is using the latest version of the proprietary drivers
[23:23] <Hybridtheoryb4> what do you mean i already partitioned it within windows and when i run the intaller it gets to the allocate disk space it gives me erase disk or other option when i click  other option it shows my whole drive as free space
[23:23] <bin_bash> try loading gparted
[23:23] <nijabo> I realised I could partition my USB memory stick and have several LiveUSBs on it :P
[23:23] <bin_bash> and see if the partitions show
[23:24] <nijabo> Can't believe I haven't thought of that earlier
[23:24] <mrdeb> does beta 2 still have white windows with nvidia
[23:24] <coz_> mrdeb,  I get non white windows here  at all
[23:24] <Hybridtheoryb4> i loaded the disk utilitty and it shows the partitions
[23:24] <cyberkilla> ripps: Thanks a lot :-)))
[23:24] <coz_> mrdeb,  but as I mentioned with the last install and the fresh install I did today with current updates,, the system is freezing with no apparent reason
[23:25] <bin_bash> Hybridtheoryb4:  on which OS?
[23:25] <Hybridtheoryb4> i dont know why it doesn't recognize the windows partition
[23:25] <Hybridtheoryb4> in the live demo
[23:25] <coz_> windows live ?
[23:25] <coz_> or did I just jump at that
[23:25] <rooks> is there an equivalent of the notify-send commandline command, but for the mailbox icon ? some thing to register new mail source, change mail icon to new mail icon, etc?
[23:26] <bin_bash> in the live demo it shows the partitions? can you get a screenshot?
[23:27] <Hybridtheoryb4> i dont see why not screen shot works right i could upload it on my megaupload account
[23:27] <Hybridtheoryb4> how would i take the screen shot and make it a image in the live demo though
[23:28] <Hybridtheoryb4> would i beable to paste in in the libre office program or something like that
[23:28] <bin_bash> hmmm didn't think of that
[23:31] <Hybridtheoryb4> here is what i can tell you it has three partitions one systems reserve for windows which it sees a systems reserved, one windows partition ntfs which it reads as a ntfs/hfs i think, and then another partition that is ntfs for linux which i want to install linux on
[23:32] <Hybridtheoryb4> when i go into the installer it list my drive as under something like /sdva or other then within it my whole drive as free
[23:46] <Hybridtheoryb4> ?
[23:49] <Hybridtheoryb4> anyone know why the installer might not recognize windows install partition
[23:51] <bullgard4> Hybridtheoryb4: Probably because this partition is not formatted according to the rules.
[23:53] <bin_bash> Hybridtheoryb4:  you should have partitioned with gparted
[23:53] <genec> Hybridtheoryb4: what about 'fdisk -l' output to a pastebin?
[23:54] <Hybridtheoryb4> do that in the terminal of the demo or in windows
[23:56] <genec> Hybridtheoryb4: are you in the Live CD now?
[23:57] <Hybridtheoryb4> no how would i talk in a irc within it
[23:58] <bin_bash> Okay. brb trying this
[23:59] <genec> Hybridtheoryb4: adding an IRC client; what environment are you in?


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[16:37] <lamont> .
[17:23] <stgraber> ogasawara: cool, thanks
[17:37] <stgraber> !!! This channel is now logged by ubuntulog. Everything you say will be recorded (as in most #ubuntu-* channels) and available on the IRC log website. !!!
[17:38] <stgraber> hmm, looks like I actually triggered some edit function of ubottu by saying that ...


[00:08] <FurretUber> Hi, what is required to make Ubiquity work on Bionic? I used debootstrap to create an image and Ubiquity is failing with many permission denied messages: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/WbjCgbxNQC/


[12:49] <xnox> alan_g, is miral going to be maintained with mir? and do we need it in Ubuntu artful?
[12:49] <xnox> (e.g. kiosk?)
[12:58] <alan_g> xnox: yes.
[12:58] <xnox> alan_g, ok, does it need to be in main? and then it probably may need subscriber, and be reseeded back in. Let me check.
[12:59] <xnox> i think it should be in main.
[12:59] <alan_g> Me too
[13:00]  * alan_g would like it in Xenial too, but that's probably too much.
[13:00] <xnox> not sure where to put it, but sticking it into "supported" for now.
[13:05] <alan_g> ack. In principle miral is a part of Mir that just happens (for historical reasons) to be in a different source tree.
[13:13] <xnox> we also have two boost source packages, per boost release.....
[13:13] <xnox> well, imho MIR stack is like 4 packages: mir, miral, qtmir, qtmir-gles =)
[13:14] <xnox> and i think we agreed to remove qtmir[-gles] in artful
[13:14]  * xnox hopes i got that right
[13:14] <alan_g> +1
[13:15] <alan_g> I'm not sure what we plan with unity-system-compositor though
[13:27] <xnox> currently i have the mandate to remove from the archive unity8 + touch stacks
[13:27] <xnox> once ubuntu-desktop switches to gnome proper; remove unity7 too
[13:28] <xnox> this includes ui toolkit, terminal-app, and everything in between.
[13:41] <alan_g> That sounds fair
[16:02] <alan_g> greyback_: got time for a quick review? https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/miral/modernize-cmake/+merge/323376
[16:03] <greyback_> alan_g: ok


[00:13] <darkxst> ahoneybun, uploaded polari with a few minor fixes
[00:14] <ahoneybun> darkxst, awesome sauce
[00:14] <ahoneybun> in the staging?
[00:15] <darkxst> yes
[00:16] <ahoneybun> thanks!
[00:16] <darkxst> https://launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/+related-packages
[00:23] <darkxst> ahoneybun, also see http://phillw.net/ubuntu-gnome/trusty311.html, plenty of other packages there that need updates ;)
[00:28] <ahoneybun> I'll be back monday from my trip so if your up for teaching me and helping me then I'm up for it
[00:28] <ahoneybun> :)
[00:35] <darkxst> ok, thanks !
[00:38] <ahoneybun> just thankful I could do something helpful
[00:39] <ahoneybun> how hard would gnome-contacts be?
[00:40] <ahoneybun> 3.10.1 is in the staging
[00:40] <ahoneybun> so we need 3.12
[00:42] <ahoneybun> darkxst, do I remove the 3.10.1 one so I can compile the 3.12.0 ?
[00:42] <darkxst> no you don't remove it
[00:43] <darkxst> apt-get source gnome-contacts
[00:43] <darkxst> cd gnome-contacts-3.10.1
[00:43] <darkxst> uscan
[00:43] <ahoneybun> to copy debian/?
[00:43] <darkxst> uupdate -v 3.12.0 ../gnome-contacts-3.12.0.tar.xz
[00:44] <darkxst> and that will create the new source folder gnome-contacts-3.12.0
[00:44] <ahoneybun> for some reason it downloaded 3.8
[00:44] <darkxst> ahoneybun, deb-src lines are commented out for ppa
[00:44] <darkxst> you need to uncomment that first
[00:44] <ahoneybun> oh yea
[00:46] <darkxst> in the new source folder debian/, check and update deps in control.in
[00:46] <ahoneybun> ok just let me grab 3.10 source
[00:46] <darkxst> then try test build it with pbuilder
[00:47] <ahoneybun> pbuilder is not kind to me lol
[00:51] <ahoneybun> I guess this can be removed/marked as finished then https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1219546
[00:52] <darkxst> there is also sbuild, but it lacks good docs
[00:56] <ahoneybun> where is that debian/ I need to edit
[00:56] <ahoneybun> is it in the 3.10.1 one?
[00:59] <darkxst> after you run uupdate as above, you will have a new folder gnome-contacts-3.12.0
[01:05] <ahoneybun> got it
[01:06] <ahoneybun> how do I tell if the deps are the same what was that command to find the ubuntu package name?
[01:07] <darkxst> apt-file
[01:07] <darkxst> however the packages should mostly be the same, just versions will need updating
[01:08] <ahoneybun> so how do I found out if there is a new version?
[01:21] <ahoneybun> so how do I found out if there is a new version? darkxst
[01:21] <darkxst> ahoneybun, compare the versions in configure.ac and make sure they match the version  in debian/control.in
[01:24] <darkxst> although in this case there doesn't appear to be any changes, but as an example configure.ac has:
[01:24] <darkxst> gtk+-3.0 >= 3.9.11
[01:25] <darkxst> so control.in needs to have:
[01:25] <darkxst> libgtk-3-dev (>= 3.9.11)
[01:32] <ahoneybun> there is a command something with policy that lists the version number
[01:33] <darkxst> apt-cache policy
[01:39] <ahoneybun> so apt-file libnotify to find the package name then apt-cache policy to find the version number?
[01:48] <ahoneybun> so apt-file libnotify to find the package name then apt-cache policy to find the version number? darkxst
[03:38] <darkxst> ahoneybun, yes, however the however the version of the system package only matters if its too old, in which case the package needs to be updated
[03:38] <darkxst> the versions that go into control.in, come directly from configure.ac
[04:01] <darkxst> ahoneybun, here is a working pbuilderrc http://pastebin.com/2kKjRrcb
[04:02] <darkxst> (use that and then `pbuilder create` and things should work
[04:17] <ahoneybun> still here darkxst?
[04:17] <darkxst> yes
[04:17] <ahoneybun> ok cool going to copy that file
[04:19] <ahoneybun> how do I get the .dsc file I need to build with for pbuilder?
[04:19] <darkxst> debuild -S
[04:19] <ahoneybun> http://pastebin.com/4XrftDSh
[04:20] <ahoneybun> seems I'm missing gnome-pkg-tools
[04:21] <ahoneybun> right?
[04:21] <darkxst> will be more than that
[04:22] <ahoneybun> well got to start somewhere
[04:23] <darkxst> try 'packaging-dev'
[04:23] <ahoneybun> ok
[04:42]  * ahoneybun thinks that kinda workd
[04:42] <ahoneybun> gpg error
[04:47] <darkxst> ahoneybun, from debuild?
[04:47] <ahoneybun> yes
[04:47] <darkxst> debuild -S -us -uc
[04:48] <darkxst> or you should just install a gpg key ;)
[04:48] <ahoneybun> gnome-contacts changes: changed-by-address-malformed Aaron Honeycutt <aaron@mac-the-knife>
[04:49] <ahoneybun> gnome-contacts source: ancient-standards-version 3.9.3 (current is 3.9.5)
[04:49] <darkxst> you must use valid email addresses in the changelog!
[04:49] <darkxst> you can just ignore the standards warning for now
[04:50] <darkxst> http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/getting-set-up.html
[04:52] <ahoneybun> that is a email
[04:52] <ahoneybun> never changed the changelog
[04:54] <darkxst> also probably you should use the email address that matches your gpg key
[04:55] <darkxst> did you set DEBEMAIL?
[04:55] <ahoneybun> no...
[04:55] <ahoneybun> I just setup a gpg key,,, I think
[05:02] <darkxst> Add DEBEMAIL and DEBFULLNAME to ~/.bashrc:
[05:02] <ahoneybun> DEBEMAIL?
[05:03] <darkxst> you already have a gpg key! keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x2A660EFF3A5D07615BF3D01F8C54B842CA8D2BE4&op=index
[05:04] <ahoneybun> ???
[05:08] <darkxst> see http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/getting-set-up.html#configure-your-shell
[05:08] <darkxst> as long as they match your key, then signing should work
[05:09] <ahoneybun> can;t remember the pass for this new key I made
[05:10] <darkxst> oops!
[05:13] <ahoneybun> got it
[05:18] <ahoneybun> pbuilder-satisfydepends failed
[05:20] <ahoneybun> does not install the packages it needs darkxst
[05:22] <darkxst> log
[05:22] <darkxst> ?
[05:23] <ahoneybun> http://pastebin.com/XnEL3gaL
[05:25] <darkxst> ahoneybun, that looks like its still a saucy chroot
[05:26] <ahoneybun> what the fudge
[05:26] <darkxst> wipe out /var/cache/pbuilder
[05:26] <darkxst> make sure you /etc/pbuilderrc is correct
[05:26] <darkxst> then create a new one
[05:27] <ahoneybun> I copied the one you sent me
[05:27] <darkxst> ok, so just do 1+3 then
[05:28] <ahoneybun> what is the command to rm a directory>
[05:29] <darkxst> rm -rf
[05:30] <ahoneybun> pbuilder create --distribution-trusty ?
[05:32] <darkxst> with that config, just `pbuilder create` should work fine
[05:51] <ahoneybun> making it still
[05:57] <ahoneybun> working
[06:15] <ahoneybun> darkxst, http://pastebin.com/n2vDqQtC
[06:15] <darkxst> ahoneybun, it will probably fail though!
[06:16] <darkxst> ahoneybun, probably needs valac-0.24
[06:20] <ahoneybun> how to install that in the pbuilder
[06:21] <darkxst> ahoneybun, you do it from debian/control.in
[06:21] <darkxst> ^that is what tells pbuilder what to install!
[06:21] <ahoneybun> dont yell ll
[06:22] <ahoneybun> lol
[06:33] <ahoneybun> darkxst, so change valac-0.22 to .24?
[06:34] <darkxst> yeh
[06:40] <ahoneybun> have to redo debuild right?
[06:41] <darkxst> yes
[06:46] <ahoneybun> think that was it
[06:46] <ahoneybun> no errors
[06:48] <ahoneybun> so dput it into my ppa?
[06:51] <darkxst> yes'
[06:51] <darkxst> ricotz, you seeing screen lock key combo wierdness? I have to <super>+L+L to lock now
[06:52] <darkxst> all other <super> combos seem fine though
[06:52] <darkxst> ahoneybun, and send me a debdiff to review
[06:54] <ahoneybun> have to fix some gpg error
[06:54] <ahoneybun> how do I do that darkxst
[06:55] <ahoneybun> also how do I add a ppa dependency
[06:55] <darkxst> ahoneybun, `debdiff old.dsc new.dsc | filterdiff -i "*/debian/*" > a_file.debdiff`
[06:55] <ahoneybun> like what do I put there
[06:55] <darkxst> via the web interface there is add ppa dep
[06:55] <darkxst> gnome3-staging ppa
[06:56] <ahoneybun> just that ?
[06:56] <darkxst> gnome3-team/gnome3-staging then click search
[06:56] <darkxst> it should find it
[06:58] <ahoneybun> I need to fix that gpg error to upload
[06:58] <ahoneybun> added that
[06:59] <darkxst> yes, uploads must be signed
[06:59] <ahoneybun> well I am getting a public key not found for that debdiff
[07:00] <ahoneybun> fixed the UNRELEASED in the changelog and package name
[07:00] <darkxst> ahoneybun, did you upload it to the ubuntu keyserver?
[07:00] <ahoneybun> think so
[07:01] <darkxst> also we tag the ppa package version  with ~trustyN at the end
[07:01] <ahoneybun> I did taht
[07:02] <ahoneybun> seems I have 5 keys
[07:02] <darkxst> you lauchpad page only shows your old key
[07:03] <ahoneybun> nothing exporte
[07:03] <ahoneybun> d
[07:07] <ahoneybun> darkxst, http://pastebin.com/UcfPCq7M
[07:07] <ahoneybun> damn
[07:07] <ahoneybun> I changed that
[07:10] <darkxst> ahoneybun, changelog should mention all changes you made!
[07:10] <ahoneybun> I changed it and then redid debuild -S
[07:11] <darkxst> ahoneybun, you need something like -> "* debian/control.in: Bump build-dep on valac-0.24"
[07:11] <ahoneybun> but I made some changes
[07:11] <darkxst> then redo the debdiff after the changes!
[07:11] <ahoneybun> damn it I did
[07:12] <darkxst> or you debdiff'ed the wrong dsc file!
[07:12] <ahoneybun> oh wait
[07:12] <ricotz> darkxst, hi, works as expected here <super>+L
[07:13] <ricotz> darkxst, i guess i sync vala-0.24 from debian which would make it the default too then
[07:13] <ricotz> meaning depending on e,g, "valac (>= 0.23.2)" would suffice
[07:15] <darkxst> ricotz:ah right, ahoneybun ^
[07:15] <ricotz> ahoneybun, is vala 0.22 really not enough?
[07:15] <ricotz> since configure claims AM_PROG_VALAC([<IP_ADDRESS>-8f10])
[07:16] <darkxst> ricotz, http://pastebin.com/n2vDqQtC
[07:16] <ahoneybun> stupid stupid gpg
[07:17] <ricotz> ahoneybun, could you paste the output of "valac --version" ran in your console?
[07:17] <darkxst> ricotz, vala 0.22 can't see any of the new api
[07:17] <ahoneybun> wait need to get this gpg set up
[07:17] <ricotz> ah nevermind this is a pbuilder build
[07:18] <ricotz> darkxst, configure suggests gtk+-3.0 >= 3.9.11 which vala-0.22 should provide just fine
[07:19] <darkxst> ricotz, I suspect they just didn't update that
[07:19] <ricotz> could be outdated and missed to be updated upstream
[07:19] <ricotz> yeah
[07:22] <ahoneybun> how can I read a gpg message without a email client set up for it
[07:24] <darkxst> ahoneybun, install openpgp into thunderbird!
[07:25] <darkxst> ricotz, it really needs gtk 3.11.4
[07:30] <darkxst> ricotz, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727584
[07:30] <ahoneybun> https://launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/+archive/ubuntu-gnome
[07:30] <ahoneybun> darkxst, https://launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/+archive/ubuntu-gnome
[07:31] <ricotz> darkxst, good ;)
[07:32] <ahoneybun> I did not make the changes to the control.in
[07:32] <darkxst> ahoneybun, fix the changelog, and control.in as per ricotz comment above, then send me a new debdiff
[07:33] <ricotz> will take a moment to finish and then can be binary copied -- https://launchpad.net/~vala-team/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/4064942/+listing-archive-extra
[07:35] <ahoneybun> darkxst, cant find what the changelog needs
[07:36] <ahoneybun> valac (>= 0.23.2) and mark that in the changelog right darkxst?
[07:40] <darkxst> yes
[07:44] <ricotz> darkxst, if your patch gets accepted it requires 0.24.0 ;)
[07:44] <darkxst> ricotz, guess I should make 0.23.2 then
[07:45] <ricotz> my mentioning of 0.23.2 was just an educated guess though
[07:45] <ricotz> could be 0.23.3 as well
[07:47] <ricotz> g2g
[07:48] <darkxst> ricotz, bye
[07:50] <darkxst> and no point guessing, we can just make the package need 0.24.0
[20:06] <AnAnt> Hello, gnome-shell on trusty isn't working after some updates I've done yesterday & today
[20:07] <AnAnt> I get this error:
[20:07] <AnAnt> (gnome-shell:15576): Gjs-WARNING **: JS ERROR: Exception in callback for signal: sessions-loaded: Gio.DBusError: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.freedesktop.login1: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: Cannot launch daemon, file not found or permissions invalid
[20:07] <AnAnt> can anyone help ?
[20:32] <AnAnt> ah, #1302331 explains it
[20:33] <Noskcaj_> bug 1302331
[22:04] <bigon> hey
[22:04] <bigon> are you actively using nautilus-sendto in ubuntu?
[22:05] <bigon> I'm thinking of uploading the new version that drops the plugins support
[22:05] <bigon> in debian
[22:05] <bigon> (latest empathy 3.12 has dropped its plugin)
[22:06] <darkxst> bigon seeded-in-ubuntu nautilus-sendto
[22:06] <darkxst> nautilus-sendto (from nautilus-sendto) is seeded in:
[22:06] <darkxst>   edubuntu: dvd
[22:06] <darkxst>   ubuntu-gnome: daily-live
[22:06] <darkxst>   ubuntu: daily-live
[22:06] <darkxst>   ubuntukylin: daily-live
[22:08] <bigon> I'm not planning to drop it
[22:09] <bigon> just that with 3.8.1 there is no plugins support anymore
[22:09] <bigon> it just open $default_mail_client
[22:12] <bigon> so my question was more, do you have some kind of custom plugins or something
[22:13] <darkxst> I don't think so, but would be better to check with the desktop guys
[23:01] <darkxst> bigon, I predict that will make seb grumpy
[23:28] <bigon> there are quite some plugins that are in a bad state any way
[23:37] <darkxst> probably, can't say I have really used it recently
[23:40] <darkxst> bigon, any reason you guys didnt package gnome-online-miners?
[23:42] <darkxst> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-online-miners
[23:50] <bigon> not really
[23:50] <bigon> I don't know about this one
[23:50] <darkxst> it was previously part of gnome-documents


[02:17] <high-rez> Any of you know the proper format is for setting the framebuffer mode on the beagleboard?  It seems there are three different formats, and I'm not sure which the ubuntu kernel prefers :|
[05:53] <mcasadevall> L84Supper, there are known issues unfortunately; I've been working with KDE upstream to resolve them
[06:06] <L84Supper> mcasedevall : good news
[06:10] <mcasadevall> L84Supper, what are you currently trying to build?
[06:11] <L84Supper> mcasedevall : I was going to try a few 2D graphics apps like Scribus, GIMP, Krita, Inkscape etc this week
[06:12] <L84Supper> cairo and a few other libs use doubles vs float
[06:13] <L84Supper> or so I've been warned
[08:40] <ogra> high-rez, heh, since there is no ubuntu kernel for the beagelboard its really up to the third party kernel you use ...
[08:41] <ogra> high-rez, http://elinux.org/BeagleBoardUbuntu has a link to properly maintained third party kernels and i would assume the u-boot settings used in the doc match the kernel
[08:49] <dirk2> Just fyi: From running build-arm-rootfs script from http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/arm/build-arm-rootfs I get two error messages from created installer script within qemu arm:
[08:49] <dirk2> http://pastebin.com/d6660cdde
[08:49] <dirk2> But seems that installation finishes fine, though
[09:23] <dirk2> ogra: From running build-arm-rootfs script from http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/arm/build-arm-rootfs I get two error messages from created installer script within qemu arm:
[09:23] <dirk2> http://pastebin.com/d6660cdde
[09:23] <dirk2> But seems that installation finishes fine, though
[09:23] <ogra> so the script finishes ?
[09:23] <dirk2> yes
[09:23] <ogra> then its not critical
[09:23] <dirk2> yes, but I just thought to mention it ;)
[09:23] <ogra> if there are actual critical errors the script will die
[09:24] <ogra> yeah, i know about both, thanks ... i'll drop the loopback call that iniscript was dropped at some point
[09:25] <dirk2> ok, will drop loopback locally then, too
[09:26] <ogra> the other warning is simply a nonused missing feature in the versatile kernel i rolled
[09:26] <dirk2> ok, thanks
[09:27] <ogra> the next generation of the script (called project-rootstock now) will use the packaged versatile kernel instaed
[13:03] <dirk2> With http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/arm/build-arm-rootfs I built a ubuntu-minimal. Does this include xserver? I'm running it on Overo, and have console on LCD login.
[13:04] <ogra> no, ubuntu-minimal doesntinclude any X bits
[13:04] <ogra> it only installs the bare minimum to boot an ubuntu
[13:05] <dirk2> ok, yes, login looks like this ;)
[13:05] <dirk2> I have to install ubuntu-destop?
[13:05] <dirk2> erm, desktop
[13:05] <ogra> if you want an xserver just install the xorg package if you are lazy
[13:05] <ogra> (that pulls in all possible video drivers though)
[13:06] <ogra> indeed, if you want a full desktop install ubuntu-desktop
[13:07] <dirk2> What's the easiest way for it having ubuntu-minimal already. I'm not sure if I can configure Overo for net access easily, so most probably the easiest way is via QEMU again?
[16:23] <L84Supper> is Gnome or GTK in the plan for Ubuntu-arm?
[16:40] <rjune_wrk> I would say that's likely. Ubuntu uses GNOME by default, and there is a Ubuntu Netbook Remix.
[16:42] <bizkut> somebody already installed gnome desktop on shivaplug with USB lcd monitor
[16:56] <ogra_> L84Supper, our live image for imx51 uses the standard ubuntu desktop
[16:56] <ogra_> (the one we released in jaunty)
[17:29] <Martyn> ogra : ICEing the Cortex-a9 kernel on PBX now :)
[17:30] <Martyn> ogra : Turns out I can chainload redboot or u-boot from the ARM Monitor
[17:30] <Martyn> so, either bootloader will work
[17:30] <Martyn> although once I have UEFI running, that's going to be redundant
[17:30] <ogra> lucky you
[17:31] <Martyn> ogra : Lucky all of us
[17:31]  * ogra pastes the famous lasts words of NCommander from #ubuntu-devel
 -rwxr-xr-x 1 mcasadevall mcasadevall 2.8G 2009-07-06 12:30 redboot.bin
[17:31] <Martyn> if I can get this working fully, there's a better chance of getting Canonical interested
[17:31] <Martyn> The -hell-?
[17:31] <Martyn> what did he do to get redboot.bin up to 2Gb+?
[17:31] <ogra> build it with the allowed toolchain
[17:32] <NCommander> Martyn, don't try and build redboot with an arm-linux-gnueabi toolchain
[17:32] <ogra> or one variant of the allowed ones we can currently use
[17:33] <Martyn> Good lord
[17:34] <Martyn> NCommander : But I have done so .. using the CodeSourcery chain...
[17:34] <NCommander> M 2009-07-0
[17:34] <NCommander> M 2009-07-0
[17:34] <NCommander> er
[17:34] <NCommander> -rwxr-xr-x 1 mcasadevall mcasadevall 497M 2009-07-06 12:35 redboot.bin
[17:34] <NCommander> -rwxr-xr-x 1 mcasadevall mcasadevall 1.3M 2009-07-06 12:35 redboot.elf
[17:34] <NCommander> I dunno what bugs me more
[17:34] <NCommander> That the elf is 1.3M, or the binary is 397M
[17:34] <NCommander> *497M
[17:35] <Martyn> NCommander : -rwxr-xr-x 1 mbogo users<PHONE_NUMBER>-07-16 18:31 reboot.bin
[17:35] <NCommander> Martyn, I can build the right toolchain with normal GCC, its just that isn't acceptable it seems
[17:35] <Martyn> NCommander : That's more in line with my experience
[17:35] <Martyn> Oop .. wrong binary
[17:36] <Martyn> NCommander : -rwxr-xr-x 1 mbogo users<PHONE_NUMBER>-07-01 16:32 redboot_small.bin
[17:36]  * Martyn hates not having cut and paste between parallels and OSX
[17:36] <NCommander> yeah
[17:37] <NCommander> Well
[17:37] <NCommander> I wonder
[17:38] <Martyn> but still, 300M+ is silly
[17:38] <ogra> Martyn, our prob is that we're boud to the toolchain in the archive
[17:38] <ogra> *bound
[17:39] <NCommander> ogra, well, I might be able to build the toolchain we need out of the gcc-4.4 package with lool said would be an acceptable alternative if all else failed
[17:39] <Martyn> ogra : Ouch
[17:39] <NCommander> The question is does the 2.8GB redboot count as "all else failed" ;_)
[17:39] <Martyn> ogra : The state of the eabi toolchain needs to be fixed
[17:39] <Martyn> NCommander : I think so
[17:39] <Martyn> NCommander : Something went very wrong there
[17:39] <ogra> NCommander, depends if you really tried "all else"
[17:39] <NCommander> Martyn, so you know the differences between the RTOS/baremetal toolchain, and the linux toolchain :-)?
[17:40] <Martyn> NCommander : Some of the differences
[17:40] <NCommander> Martyn, right, but you understand that its more or less near-impossible to build redboot with the normal linux one
[17:40] <NCommander> (granted a massive universal size fluke)
[17:40] <Martyn> NCommander : I'm not tasked to do toolchain fixes at my company until early Aug though
[17:41] <Martyn> NCommander : I do, indeed.   That's why UEFI is more of a priority, and before it .. u-boot.
[17:41] <Martyn> reboot is just going to have to be one of those intractable problems, or simply be left behind.
[17:41] <NCommander> Martyn, ok, good, that makes sure I'm not mad
[17:41] <Martyn> redboot rather
[17:41] <NCommander> ^- ogra
[17:41] <NCommander> Martyn, we managed to build redboot with an arm-linux-gnueabi toolchain in Jaunty by linking it against libc
[17:41] <NCommander> obviously that was fragile, and now it broke :-)
[17:41] <Martyn> Indeed
[17:42] <Martyn> it really should be linked against ulibc
[17:42] <NCommander> er
[17:42] <NCommander> It shouldn't be linked against a C library
[17:42] <NCommander> redboot is self-contained
[17:42] <Martyn> if you're going to link it, use the smaller one
[17:42] <ogra> we dont support ulibc
[17:42] <Martyn> I know, I know
[17:42] <Martyn> but you'll get a smaller build.
[17:42] <ogra> th eonly minimal libc we have atm is klibc
[17:42] <Martyn> oof
[17:42] <NCommander> ogra, newlib :-P
[17:43] <NCommander> Martyn, if we had a sane toolchain, the resulting binary won't import any symbols
[17:43] <NCommander> the problem is glibc got stupid with the newest release, and started doing fun things w/ ELF files
[17:43] <ogra> well, and newlib in the works which apparently gets you 3G redboots
[17:43] <Martyn> Ick
[17:44] <NCommander> ogra, er, that was glibc
[17:44] <NCommander> newlib fails to link due to static protector
[17:44] <Martyn> ogra : In order to suggest a UEFI boot chain for 9.10 .. is there still time to get it working to the point that I could make a case for it?
[17:44] <Martyn> since UEFI/arm is almost done
[17:45] <Martyn> Apple has put massive resources behind it.
[17:46]  * NCommander sighs
[17:46] <NCommander> -rwxr-xr-x 1 mcasadevall mcasadevall 603K 2009-07-06 12:47 redboot.bin
[17:46] <NCommander> Its going the right size
[17:46] <ogra> looks ok for a SD boot to me
[17:47] <Martyn> Yep
[17:47] <ogra> might be a bit big for flash ... which we dont use anyway
[17:47] <Martyn> ogra : I do.
[17:47] <ogra> in our image builds
[17:47]  * Martyn only has 64K or 128K of NOR though
[17:47] <ogra> we boot from SD and install to SD
[17:47] <Martyn> so it's only big enough for u-boot
[17:47] <NCommander> It doesn't boot though
[17:48] <Martyn> ogra : One other question: How often does Canonical have a general meet-up to discuss the state and future releases of Ubuntu?
[17:48] <ogra> its probably just slow beacuse its so overweight :)
[17:48] <Martyn> 9.10, 10.x, etc...
[17:48] <Martyn> Since the ARM side of things is certainly heating up.
[17:48] <ogra> usually about a month to six weeks after the release
[17:49] <ogra> definately
[17:49] <Martyn> So 9.10 is already locked in?
[17:49] <ogra> and i would love to see you at next UDS
[17:49] <ogra> mostly, yes
[17:49] <Martyn> I also want to be there.. so does my boss.
[17:49] <Martyn> (wants me to be there)
[17:49] <ogra> cool !
[17:49] <Martyn> The problem is that we can't use Redboot.
[17:50] <Martyn> it's useless on the server platform we're building, and excludes other hardware as well
[17:50] <Martyn> I'm hoping to push UEFI
[17:50] <NCommander> oooh
[17:50] <ogra> our problem is that we dont have a sane u-boot yet
[17:50] <NCommander> That's an improvement
[17:50] <NCommander> The board powers on
[17:50] <NCommander> But it doesn't print anything
[17:50] <Martyn> ogra : What's broken in u-boot?
[17:50] <Martyn> NCommander : Working with babbage2?
[17:50] <ogra> misses features
[17:50] <Martyn> ogra : Which ones are missing that are needed? (Since I am tasked with u-boot at the moment)
[17:50] <NCommander> Martyn, sorta. Bababge2 requires redboot to do some voodoo to let it power on fully
[17:50] <ogra> Martyn, i didnt review it yet, but lool wasnt impressed
[17:52] <Martyn> ogra : current u-boot features I have working: Boot from NOR/NAND, boot from SD, ext2 filesystem suport, FAT filesystem support, network adapter (SMCxxxx) support, bootp, dhcp, tftp
[17:52] <Martyn> I don't (yet) have USB support working since it's outside my project scope
[17:52] <ogra> on B2 ?
[17:53] <Martyn> In software sim for the Realview EB-Cortex A9
[17:53] <Martyn> and Cortex-A8
[17:53] <Martyn> (in uniprocessor and SMP)
[17:53] <NCommander> ogra, er, can we publicly talk about that uboot?
[17:53] <Martyn> I could trivially get it working on B2
[17:54] <Martyn> NCommander : Although to bring B2 up, I have to do hardware voodoo to get various parts of the board up
[17:54] <Martyn> also I don't (yet) have FB console support
[17:54] <Martyn> so u-boot would only work on serial, which is annoying
[17:55] <ogra> not more annoying than redboot
[17:55] <NCommander> and loads easier to compile
[17:56] <Martyn> No, but that's something that would be useful
[17:56] <Martyn> Tell you what, why don't I spend tomorrow trying to get it running.
[17:56] <Martyn> At worst, I waste 6-8 hours on the experiment
[17:56] <ogra> sure ... put a shiny little dog on the framenuffer during init :)
[17:56] <Martyn> ogra : The lack of INT13 is a pain
[17:56] <ogra> ah, damned, someone had that idea before :)
[17:56] <Martyn> For someone who is used to having BIOS video
[17:57] <ogra> did you take a look at the beagle code ?
[17:57] <ogra> they have at least a pic up early
[17:57] <L84Supper> orga_ : ok, so there is support for OMAP and i.mx, what board is everyone using for i.mx development
[17:57] <L84Supper> ?
[17:58] <ogra> there is no support for OMAP
[17:58] <Martyn> framebuffer costs a character bitmap table for ASCII, framebuffer init code, and either USB+keyboard stack(big) or raw USB keyboard stack(smaller)
[17:58] <Martyn> there is no official support for OMAP
[17:58] <ogra> right
[17:58] <L84Supper> orga_ : hmm, somebody else mentioned OMAP
[17:59] <Martyn> but that just requires a kernel change.  The bootloader might be flexible enough
[17:59] <L84Supper> ok , just not official
[17:59] <ogra> Martyn, i didnt say frambuffer console :) no need for an ascii table if you just dump a pic on the screen
[17:59] <Martyn> OH!
[17:59] <L84Supper> I'm going to try it on ARM 9
[18:00] <Martyn> Heh, that's just useful to say that you entered the bootloader.
[18:00] <ogra> the beagle just shows a fillscreen bitmap
[18:00] <ogra> *full
[18:00] <Martyn> I think pretty bootloader pictures are a waste
[18:00] <L84Supper> Samsung S3C2440
[18:00] <Martyn> One of my coworkers has the B2 all day, damnit
[18:01] <ogra> steal it !
[18:01] <Martyn> no, he's doing compiler optimization
[18:01]  * ogra had to send his away to a colleague too :/
[18:01] <Martyn> WAY more important than the work I'm doing
[18:01] <ogra> not for me
[18:01] <L84Supper> the netbook remix was great unless you had to configure something like networking on a 320x480 display
[18:01] <ogra> tell him your work is more important for me, he should give you the B2 immediately ! :)
[18:01] <Martyn> L84Supper : Don't get us started on Netremix
[18:01] <L84Supper> you're sunk unless you can get panning going
[18:02] <Martyn> ogra : LOL .. he's grumbling because I have access to the two PBX'es
[18:02] <ogra> trade them ...
[18:02] <Martyn> ogra : Even though he can't do any work on those until I get the kernel working
[18:02] <ogra> who cares about PBX
[18:02] <Martyn> I do.
[18:02] <Martyn> those are the base platforms //all// Cortex A9 will be based on
[18:02] <Martyn> even the NEC, Samsung, and other C-A9 based systems
[18:02] <ogra> pfft ... thats the future ...
[18:02] <L84Supper> my real only beef is the config screens not fitting vertically in the window so you have to guess at how many times you have to press "tab" to apply or cancel
[18:03]  * ogra wants something that works *today* :)
[18:03] <Martyn> ogra : And it's the future I live in .. so I that I can get U/ARM working on as many platforms as possible
[18:03] <Martyn> C-A9 is where everything is going, and everything I'm working on is backportable.
[18:03] <Martyn> (like UEFI)
[18:04] <Martyn> L84Supper: Don't take this the wrong way, but that discussion really belongs in #ubuntu-devel
[18:04] <Martyn> There's lots wrong with the remix, and grumbling about it (without fixing it yourself, or posting patches) is counterproductive
[18:05]  * Martyn dances!   Kernel boot!
[18:05] <ogra> note that its aimed at 1024x576 and wont be much more scalable downwards
[18:06] <Martyn> It crashes hard after cpuidle .. but after three days, I finally have debug output.
[18:06] <Martyn> WOOT
[18:06] <Martyn> I might even get to init() today
[18:06] <ogra> congrats
[18:06] <ogra> now grab the B", quick !
[18:06] <ogra> *B2
[18:06] <Martyn> Cant :)
[18:06] <Martyn> tomorrow, I have it
[18:06] <ogra> :)
[18:06] <Martyn> And I'll try getting u-boot working with a set of params
[18:07] <L84Supper> Martyn : </beef>
[18:07] <Martyn> I also should figure out a 'safe' u-boot set of parameters, so that someone can set one of user DIP switches to get a sane default setting
[18:08] <L84Supper> what's the dev board for imx5?
[18:08] <Martyn> since I already locked myself out of one development system by accidentally setting delay to 0
[18:08] <Martyn> babbage/babbage2
[18:08] <Martyn> i.mx51
[18:08] <Martyn> and i.mx515 has another one
[18:11] <armin76> lol
[18:11] <L84Supper> Martyn : any idea where they are for sale?
[18:12] <ogra> s/where/when/ :)
[18:15] <suihkulokki> seems genesi has mx515 devboard orderable https://www.genesi-usa.com/store/details/4
[18:17] <L84Supper> everything is open except for the closed graphics libs by PowerVR, I heard that Nokia was asking them to open up
[18:18] <L84Supper> wow $750 for the dev board
[18:18] <armin76> dev boards cost that or more
[18:18] <L84Supper> sure I've spent thousands
[18:19]  * ogra thinks 750 is rather mid-price
[18:20] <Martyn> $750 is very reasonable
[18:20] <L84Supper> Genesi USA appears to be grasping for credibility
[18:20] <Martyn> L84Supper: I >will< have 2D drivers for powerVR working by the end of Aug
[18:21] <Martyn> L84Supper : 3D is being worked on by other people.
[18:21] <ogra> and will be as nonfree as nvidia
[18:22] <L84Supper> were still working on the first complete open source laptop, VIA vx855 still looks like it will be the first
[18:23] <Martyn> ogra : The 2D drivers will be open and free.  Those are reverse engineered
[18:23] <Martyn> ogra : The 3D drivers .. who knows.
[18:23] <L84Supper> yes a pain
[18:23] <ogra> Martyn, well, its equivalent to puolsbo on intel
[18:23] <Martyn> ogra : Depends if the Finnish guys figure it out (PowerVR open source) before the the offical closed-source drivers gain traction
[18:25] <Martyn> That genesi board looks pretty close to the babbage2
[18:25] <Martyn> just about the same capabilities
[18:26] <L84Supper> I wish that the genesi board had more RAM
[18:26] <ogra> Martyn, not really, but to another one here on my desk :)
[18:26] <ogra> not to say its 100% the same :)
[18:27] <ogra> just differntly named
[18:27] <ogra> so if you want to do ubuntu stuff, get such a board ;)
[18:27] <L84Supper> they both look like the Freescale reference design
[18:30] <suihkulokki> so many components on the PCB.. do they really intend to manage to make cheap designs around that?
[18:30] <L84Supper> it's a kitchen sink board
[18:31] <L84Supper> it also demos components by partners
[18:32] <L84Supper> the netbooks will just have the imx soc , an EC, some glue and power supply
[18:33] <L84Supper> wireless, bluetooth etc will be on separate plug-in modules
[18:34] <suihkulokki> I would assume moving components to separate modules doesn't cut down costs
[18:35] <L84Supper> it gives the ODM's flexibility for different models
[18:35] <L84Supper> http://www.via.com.tw/en/initiatives/spearhead/surfboard_c855/index.jsp
[18:35] <L84Supper> as an example
[18:41] <L84Supper> can the Flash ROM be reprogrammed by software in-circuit or does it require a separate hardware device?
[18:41] <L84Supper> on the babbage board
[18:42] <L84Supper> if it may be done via software we can look at adding it to FlashRom
[18:48] <Martyn> in-circuit
[18:48] <Martyn> heck, even live from an OS
[18:49] <ogra> ubuntu currently uses SD
[18:49] <ogra> the flash on the B1 was to small to fit in the initramfs
[18:49] <Martyn> It shouldn't have to live on that flash
[18:50] <Martyn> but we should be able to boot from either the SD or an internal drive
[18:50] <Martyn> I still say kernel chainloading is the way to go
[18:50] <ogra> yeah
[18:50] <ogra> no
[18:50] <Martyn> why not?
[18:50]  * ogra isnt a fan of kernel chainloading ...
[18:50] <Martyn> Why?
[18:50] <ogra> means you have to maintain a second kernel
[18:50] <Martyn> the kernel itself is the ultimate BIOS
[18:50] <Martyn> sure, but it's a tiny kernel
[18:50] <ogra> still
[18:51] <Martyn> no different than maintaining a bootchain
[18:51] <Martyn> and you KNOW you will be able to flexibly boot
[18:51] <Martyn> well, until we have UEFI .. that's one of the only ways I can think of to really get a flexible boot
[18:52] <ogra> or HW vendors that agree on a standard :)
[18:53] <L84Supper> Coreboot
[18:53] <Martyn> coreboot on ARM = nonexistent
[18:53] <L84Supper> yes, we've talked about it
[18:53] <Martyn> it would take a LOT more work to get coreboot's stuff going
[18:54] <L84Supper> well uboot handles the hardware init
[18:54] <Martyn> okay back to work
[18:54]  * ogra saw a coreboot demo at CELF
[18:54] <ogra> on a beagle
[18:54] <L84Supper> was probably Peter
[18:54] <L84Supper> is a boot drive chooser still missing?
[18:55] <Martyn> what is the command to get a system to execute an ACPI suspend in linux?
[18:55] <L84Supper> UEFI is another train wreck
[18:55] <ogra> yeah, peter stuge i think
[18:56] <L84Supper> yes , that him
[18:56] <L84Supper> carebear in irc
[18:57] <L84Supper> they were just at LinuxTag as well
[19:02] <L84Supper> I'd stay with uboot and a chooser for boot location
[19:18] <dirk2> ogra: I tried --seed lxde,gdm , this results in "E: Couldn't find package lxde,gdm"