[12:04] <nestorm> has anybody heard about working on an ubuntu server version?
[12:05] <techlord-work> i've seen a discussion on on the forums about, whether it would make a good server or not but that was it
[12:06] <nestorm> at the official site?
[12:07] <LeeJunFan> a server is only as good as it's weakest application that you need. So if all ubuntus apps work for what you need, then yeah. It's great. I plan on replacing 3 servers with it soon.
[12:07] <LeeJunFan> People said mandrake wasn't a good server distro, I told them not to say that within earshot of all the machines I had which had Mandrake and 1yr+ uptimes. Several of them.
[12:08] <LeeJunFan> It's the admin - not the distro :)
[12:08] <nestorm> I "was" a mandrake user for long
[12:08] <nestorm> I am talking about amateur admins ;)
[12:08] <nestorm> like me
[12:09] <nestorm> anyway, I prefer to add to a server
[12:09] <nestorm> and with a mandrake server you have to strip the system
[12:09] <nestorm> cause it has too many stuff, useless for servers
[12:10] <LeeJunFan> Me too - I used mandrake for about 6yrs.
[12:10] <LeeJunFan> And redsplat 2 or so years prior to that.
[12:11] <nestorm> I want to learn server administration with ubuntu
[12:11] <nestorm> virtual domains and so on
[12:12] <nestorm> I am starting with xampp
[12:12] <nestorm> cause this way I don't mess with system files
[12:12] <nestorm> kubuntu is very fast
[12:13] <nestorm> looks like my pc has rebirth
[12:25] <robodex> hey... does anyone else have the problem where text is REALLY small in KDE?
[12:28] <robodex> as in, I can barely read half the text... changing fonts in the font settings has had no effect
[12:28] <apokryphos> robodex: nope. You might wanna check your fonts (in kcontrol) and your resolution.
[12:28] <apokryphos> hmm, did you select to change *all* fonts?
[12:29] <robodex> afaik yes... only certain programs have small text, though; all the KDE programs are fine. But so far xchat, firefox and xterm all have REALLY small text
[12:29] <dpeach> Can I install any Debian app on Kubuntu? Or does it have to be compiled for Kubuntu?
[12:29] <apokryphos> ohhh, gtk stuff
[12:29] <robodex> I was able to up the text in xchat manually, but it's not really helping
[12:29] <robodex> heh yeah, any way to fix that?
[12:29] <apokryphos> robodex: yup, get the gtk2-engines-gtk-qt package
[12:30] <robodex> k, I'll try that (shouldn't it have installed with kubuntu-desktop, though? :S)
[12:30] <apokryphos> Nah, that's for gtk stuff. Kubuntu is concerned with gtk. :)
[12:31] <apokryphos> *KDE
[12:31] <robodex> heh true enough, I'm just trying KDE out... it's pretty good in ubuntu, I've only found a few minor issues so far :D
[12:31] <robodex> k when it's installed do I just restart x?
[12:33] <ikama> Hi, everybody
[12:33] <nestorm> byes
[12:33] <apokryphos> robodex: Nope, just restart the gtk stuff
[12:33] <robodex> hmm... I restarted xterm and it had no effect
[12:34] <apokryphos> xterm isn't gtk, as far as I know
[12:34] <ikama> does any body have the same problem with dependecies openoffice and kubuntu-desktop packages
[12:34] <robodex> well ff is having the problems still too
[12:34] <apokryphos> ff does have gtk stuff. Perhaps try logging back in...
[12:35] <robodex> yeah, I'll try that in a minute
[12:35] <ikama> they are installing or updating but the postconfiguration is corrupt
[12:40] <dpeach> will any debian package work for kubuntu? Or does it have to be Ubuntu/Kubuntu specific?
[12:40] <robodex> most debian packages SHOULD work
[12:41] <dpeach> If they don't is it pretty easy to make a deb from source?
[12:41] <dpeach> (I am coming from a RPM based world, and know little to nothing about debs)
[12:43] <moominski> can any1 help me how to install rpms
[12:43] <rinnan> hello, kubuntu noobee here.  Question for whoever deems me fit enough to answer:  I booted the KDE Live CD and liked it so much I installed it, overwriting RedHat.  It's fine, but in the life CD, it uses Kubuntu icons, themes, colors, etc.  But in mine, it uses only exactly standard KDE!  What did I do wrong?  How can I fix it?
[12:44] <rinnan> moominski:  Maybe, "apt-get install rpm"?  It's a guess, but probably a good one!
[12:44] <moominski> that easy?
[12:44] <moominski> should i sudo
[12:44] <rinnan> That installs the RPM system (I think) -- try it and tell me what it says.
[12:44] <rinnan> Yes.
[12:44] <rinnan> "sudo apt-get install rpm"
[12:44] <Riddell> rinnan: did you use an existing /home /
[12:44] <Riddell> rinnan: did you use an existing /home ?
[12:44] <rinnan> I'll try it on mine.
[12:45] <rinnan> Riddell:  No, only the standard install.  Which is why I find it odd.
[12:45] <rinnan> (Hoary)
[12:45] <Riddell> rinnan: preview release?
[12:46] <randabis> rinnan, try apt-get install kubuntu-defaults (I think that's the package)
[12:46] <rinnan> Yes.  It is simply too buggy?
[12:46] <robodex> restarting x, brb
[12:46] <moominski> how do i do a standard install
[12:46] <rinnan> randabis:  Trying now.
[12:46] <randabis> rinnan, kubuntu-default-settings
[12:46] <randabis> that's the package
[12:46] <rinnan> its' already there.   Purging and reinstalling...
[12:48] <rinnan> (had to also reinstall kubuntu-desktop, doing so...)
[12:48] <rinnan> Okay guys wish me luck, rebooting into my (hopefully new and pretty) kde
[12:50] <robodex> heh, I still have that problem :\
[12:53] <robodex> anything else that could be causing it?
[12:55] <ikama> does any body have the same problem with dependecies openoffice and kubuntu-desktop packages
[12:55] <ikama> they are installing or updating but the postconfiguration is corrupt
[12:55] <ikama> nobody has the same problem?
[12:55] <ikama> I dont' t think so!
[12:56] <ikama> this prob has occured since 2 or three updates before
[12:57] <techlord-work> have you tried removing the .kde file in your home dir
[12:57] <robodex> Anyone know what could fix the small text problem? (or, hell, what's causing it?)
[12:57] <cmf> is it just me, or is it not possible to set a capture channel in alsamixer on hoary?
[12:58] <ikama> techlord-work: concerning to me
[12:59] <techlord-work> yea ikama have your tried removing the .kde folder, this would cause all your kde settings to reset, maybe including the fonts
[01:00] <robodex> it only does it on certain apps, though...
[01:02] <robodex> heh downing my res to 1024 (from 1152) actually makes it seem worse..
[01:06] <bhsx> i followed the guide at http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories, but when i apt-get update i get "GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing Release: The following signatures blah blah blah"...  what does that mean/how do i fix it other than removing those lines from sources.list?
[01:08] <bhsx> is there i suggested mirror list that kubuntu uses?
[01:08] <bhsx> s i/a
[01:09] <moominski> how do i get alien
[01:10] <bhsx> join x-files  ;)
[01:11] <bhsx> sudo apt-get install alien
[01:11] <verden01> Hi i just installed kubuntu on my AMD64 box and it rocks
[01:12] <verden01> does anyone know when the final version of kubuntu will be released?
[01:12] <moominski> not long
[01:12] <techlord-work> my guess a few days after apr 8th
[01:12] <techlord-work> that's when ubuntu is getting released
[01:12] <robodex> hmmm I think I MAY know what's causing the problem...
[01:13] <robodex> brb
[01:13] <verden01> is it worth doing an update and upgrade b4 then
[01:14] <techlord-work> i would, because what you upgrade now will just be less you have to get then
[01:15] <verden01> cool thanx
[01:31] <gsuveg> can i remove text form left iconbox(?) in kontact ?
[01:31] <gsuveg> 3.4
[01:32] <robodex> hey, still haven't fixed the problem (posted a topic on the forums,) but I have another really stupid question... how do I change the window style in kubuntu? >_<
[01:33] <techlord-work> control center themes and appereance
[01:33] <robodex> where in there?
[01:33] <moominski> i still can inatll rpms on kubuntu is there a website with a howto??
[01:34] <robodex> style only changes widgets...
[01:35] <techlord-work> i'm going from memory here not near my kubuntu box, but on the menu there is control center or control panel, in there you you have themes
[01:35] <techlord-work> i think that is what your looking for
[01:36] <robodex> heh I have theme manager but it doesn't change my windows (stays as plastik)
[01:36] <gsuveg> robodex: sorry.
[01:36] <gsuveg> robodex: if you start kontact left side the apps
[01:37] <robodex> ?
[01:42] <gsuveg> robodex: maybe you misunderstud me, sorry
[01:42] <techlord-work> i wonder robodex what happens if you delete the .kde folder in your home dir and restart, that should clean any broken or corrupt kde files and may resolve both issues
[01:52] <techlord-work> time to go home catch you all when i'm there
[01:52] <robodex> k, I'll try that
[01:52] <robodex> brb
[02:07] <Le0> hiya ppl
[02:08] <moominski> wot does this mean E: Couldn't find package
[02:11] <hayden> means apt-get couldnt find the package u tried to install
[02:13] <robodex> I got the problem fixed, but it was a really stupid fix and it's a pain to do it every time I load KDE...
[02:14] <robodex> I had to load gnome-font-properties
[02:15] <robodex> I don't know if that starts something, but the fonts are fixed (until I restart kde)
[02:15] <Riddell> testers wanted for release candidate CDs http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[02:16] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily/current/
[02:17] <moominski> kpakage wont let me install rpm even though im putting in the right password
[02:17] <moominski> any help
[02:17] <apokryphos> moominski: root password needed.
[02:17] <moominski> yeah i typed it but it sais its wrong but its not
[02:17] <moominski> its right
[02:18] <apokryphos> moominski: are you sure you're typing the *root* password; not your one, with root priveledges.
[02:18] <moominski> wot other password is there
[02:18] <apokryphos> moominski: in terminal type plain "su" and enter the password there you're trying to use in Kpackage.
[02:19] <apokryphos> moominski: aha ;)
[02:19] <moominski> i didnt create 1
[02:19] <apokryphos> moominski: sudo passwd
[02:19] <apokryphos> then make a password
[02:20] <moominski> ok
[02:20] <apokryphos> moominski: it shouldn't ask you for your root -- ubuntu uses sudo, but that package hasn't been patched
[02:22] <moominski> rpm: To install rpm packages on Debian systems, use alien. See README.Debian.
[02:22] <moominski> error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2)
[02:22] <moominski> error: cannot open Packages database in /var/lib/rpm
[02:22] <Riddell> it needs the user password, not root, any suggestions on how to translate a new string into different languages happily accepted
[02:23] <apokryphos>  Riddell no, Riddell, it really does need root
[02:23] <hayden> sudo alien file
[02:23] <hayden> dpkg -i file ?
[02:23] <Riddell> apokryphos: hwat does|?
[02:23] <Riddell> hmm, bad keyboard
[02:24] <apokryphos> moominski: what error is that from? What are you trying to do?
[02:24] <moominski> ok i got this after "sudo alien" kerastik_0.2-2_i386.deb generated
[02:25] <moominski> install a kde theme
[02:25] <apokryphos> moominski: cool, now just follow haggai's second instruction.
[02:26] <hayden> sudo dpkg -i kerastik_0.2-2_i386.deb
[02:26] <apokryphos> It might not work, though, because some of those will have a different location of KDEDIR. At least, that's what I presume the problem is, since I had problems installing some kde-theme rpms like that
[02:27] <moominski> sudo dpkg -i kerastik_0.2-2_i386.deb this worked
[02:27] <moominski> thanks
[02:50] <StR> hi there
[02:50] <StR> I installed hoary, but I don't get the graphic loading like the live CD... what package to I need to install?
[02:57] <hayden> the splash screen?
[02:58] <StR> hayden, the scroll that shows when ubuntu is loading,  not like other distros when you see the txt about mounting,  hotplugins, etc...
[03:00] <hayden> i dont think there is a package u can just install to do that
[03:01] <StR> hayden, but you have that screen, right? not the txt screen
[03:09] <James_k84> how do I get sshd to work in kubuntu?
[03:11] <Riddell> James_k84: sudo apt-get install ssh
[03:11] <StR> isn't it   openssh-server?
[03:12] <mwylde> How can gnome be installed on a Kubuntu system?
[03:12] <amu> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:13] <mwylde> thanks
[03:14] <apokryphos> kubuntu-desktop :)
[03:14] <apokryphos> eek
[03:14] <apokryphos> ignore
[03:15] <James_k84> I already have it...
[03:16] <apokryphos> James_k84: then you have gnome :)
[03:16] <James_k84> but how to I get it to run?
[03:16] <James_k84> I tried /etc/init.d/sshd start.
[03:17] <Riddell> James_k84: what did it say?
[03:18] <James_k84> any ideas?
[03:18] <Riddell> James_k84: what did /etc/init.d/sshd start  say, what does  ps -ef | grep sshd say?
[03:19] <verden01> Hi
[03:19] <James_k84> james@Osiris:/etc/init.d$ ps -ef | grep ss
[03:19] <James_k84> james     7976  7021  0 15:24 ?        00:00:00 /bin/sh /usr/bin/x-session-manager
[03:19] <James_k84> james     8023  7976  0 15:24 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session x-session-manager
[03:19] <James_k84> james     8026     1  0 15:24 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session x-session-manager
[03:19] <James_k84> james     8029     1  0 15:24 ?        00:00:00 dbus-daemon-1 --fork --print-pid 8 --print-address 6 --session
[03:19] <James_k84> james     8113  8053  0 15:24 ?        00:00:11 /usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f
[03:19] <James_k84> james     8115     1  0 15:24 ?        00:00:00 kaccess [kdeinit]  kaccess
[03:19] <James_k84> james     8119  8053  0 15:24 ?        00:00:03 kwin [kdeinit]  kwin -session 10b8e66972000111191053800000199780000_1112127726_800346
[03:19] <James_k84> james     8140     1  0 15:25 ?        00:00:00 kmix [kdeinit]  kmix -session 10d8cecf96000111065458100000063760027_1112127726_790235
[03:19] <James_k84> root      8449     1  0 19:53 ?        00:00:00 /usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 60 -m artsmessage -l 3 -f
[03:19] <James_k84> root      8698     1  0 19:54 ?        00:00:00 /usr/sbin/sshd
[03:19] <James_k84> james     8970  8392  0 20:18 pts/1    00:00:00 grep ss
[03:20] <Riddell> James_k84: that'll be it running there then
[03:20] <Riddell> hello verden01
[03:20] <James_k84> then why can't I ssh into my box?
[03:20] <James_k84> from a local network?
[03:21] <verden01> hi Riddell
[03:21] <Riddell> James_k84: can you access any other service?  can you ping it?  what does ssh say when you try to connect?  what if you do  ssh localhost  from the machine
[03:21] <James_k84> the ip I'm trying to ssh into isn't the DMZ or anything...
[03:22] <James_k84> I can ssh locally.
[03:22] <verden01> installed kubuntu last night and it had no problems with any hardware on my AMD64 box  :-)
[03:22] <Riddell> verden01: excellent.  did the sound work?
[03:23] <Riddell> James_k84: sounds like a firewall issue then
[03:23] <James_k84> hmm...  weird.
[03:23] <verden01> yeah everything worked
[03:23] <James_k84> thanks a lot
[03:24] <Riddell> verden01: good, if confusing (other people have reported sound server problems on amd64)
[03:25] <verden01> since i've had the AMD64 box i've found that a lot of distro's don't support all my hardware but kubuntu does  :)
[03:26] <moominski> kubunto is great ive other distros but im stckin with this its the only ive been able to do something
[03:26] <verden01> if this is mainly a beta release then it must be close to final release because its pretty stable
[03:27] <Riddell> verden01: release candidate in testing now
[03:27] <verden01> cool   is it worth updating and upgrading now or best to wait for the final trelease?
[03:28] <moominski> konqueror is a bit dodgy wiv me dont no wy keeps crasking
[03:28] <Riddell> moominski: do you have file previews on?
[03:28] <moominski> dont no
[03:29] <verden01> the only thing i found different is the fact that i can't log in as root but i'm getting used to using the sudo command
[03:30] <verden01> hayden whats it like in sunny QLD today?
[03:30] <moominski> Riddell: how do i turn file preveiws on
[03:31] <Riddell> moominski: third menu from left -> previews -> tick them all
[03:31] <Riddell> some people have reported crashes on that but it's working fine for me now
[03:33] <moominski> Riddell: thanks
[03:35] <moominski> any1 no how i can rip internetradiostream??
[03:35] <Riddell> moominski: kaffeine
[03:38] <moominski> Riddell: kaffeine dont work for it just stops responding
[03:38] <moominski> any ideas?
[03:47] <randabis> moominski, streamripper works well
[03:47] <randabis> it's a commandline tool though
[03:48] <randabis> streamtuner is a gui tool for internet streams and it will do ripping too
[03:48] <randabis> you may want to check it out...it's in the repositories
[03:49] <billytwowilly> anyone know when pykde will be updated in the repositories?
[03:50] <billytwowilly> not having pykde is killing karamba..
[03:50] <moominski> how do i get in the repositories
[03:50] <verden01>  is it worth updating and upgrading kubuntu now or best to wait for the final release?
[03:50] <billytwowilly> it
[03:50] <billytwowilly> s
[03:50] <billytwowilly> pretty nice now, but no harm in waiting.
[03:51] <verden01> cool
[03:51] <randabis> definitely worth it :) kde 3.4 rocks my socks :p
[03:51] <billytwowilly> if you're trying to use kde in warty definitely upgrade.
[03:52] <verden01> hey i think its great to be using a quality Debian based os again
[03:52] <haggai> verden01: were frozen now except for bugfixes so now is a good time
[03:52] <verden01> k
[03:53] <verden01> i've installed kubuntu
[03:53] <verden01> billytwowilly,
[03:53] <verden01> it rocks
[03:54] <moominski> can any1 help get kaffeine workin
[03:54] <billytwowilly> if you've installed kubuntu you should update... It's beta stuff you have installed anyway.
[03:54] <billytwowilly> haggai: Is anyone going to update the pykde debs before the release? That's a semi important package for anyone using superkaramba and a bunch of other stuff (ie several amarok scripts use it)
[03:55] <verden01> i'm thinking of upgrading but i need to d/l another 200 odd mb of data
[03:55] <haggai> billytwowilly: I don't know if anyone will have time
[03:56] <billytwowilly> haggai: That's too bad... it's a moderately important part of kde.
[04:00] <robodex> AMAZING RACE IS ON GOODBYE KIND SIRS
[04:01] <difekta> HEY..YOU LIKE TO USE ALL CAPS TOO?!  AWESOME!
[04:02] <randabis> I wonder if there are any plans to have a kubuntu unstable branch within the grumpy unstable branch when it is released...
[04:02] <difekta> WHY DON't channels like this start migrating to jabber servers?
[04:03] <randabis> because IRC is tried and true probably
[04:05] <billytwowilly> jabber?
[04:06] <billytwowilly> bah.
[04:09] <apokryphos> #kubuntu-devel
[04:09] <apokryphos> ergh
[04:14] <verden01> i see there are no games installed with kubuntu, are there going to be in the future or is it best to D/L then from the universe packages?
[04:14] <apokryphos> verden01: I believe kdegames is in Main, isn't it?
[04:15] <verden01> i'll check but i was wondering why they weren't installed by default
[04:16] <Riddell> verden01: not enough room on the CD
[04:16] <verden01> k :)
[04:17] <verden01> apokryphos, they are in the main repository
[04:19] <verden01> downloading them now on my super fast dialup connection  :(
[04:21] <Xira> I downloaded kubuntu-desktop in 4 minutes
[04:21] <Xira> :x
[04:25] <verden01> Xira, hmmm i might do that one day when i can access fast internet
[04:25] <Xira> i feel your pain, I was on dialup for 6 years
[04:26] <Xira> then i got dsl last year, and this year i got 4mbit cable which recently was upgraded to 6mbit for free
[04:26] <billytwowilly> isn't kubuntu-desktop just a tiny dummy package?
[04:26] <Xira> billytwowilly, it's kubuntu-desktop for ubuntu
[04:26] <Xira> it's 395mb
[04:29] <billytwowilly> no. it's 32.8 KB.
[04:29] <Xira> negative
[04:29] <Xira> I just installed it an hour ago
[04:29] <billytwowilly> I'm looking at kubuntu-desktop right now in synaptic.
[04:29] <billytwowilly> It's a meta package.
[04:29] <moominski> ok any1 no how i install stream ripper
[04:29] <billytwowilly> It depends on a whole bunch of stuff.
[04:29] <verden01> well in rural Australia the its hard to get a decent broadband connection
[04:30] <Xira> ok, well I just did apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:30] <billytwowilly> moominski: apt-get install streamripper
[04:30] <Xira> and it was 395mb
[04:30] <moominski> it dont work
[04:30] <jsgotangco> woohooo
[04:30] <Xira> would you like me to upload the logs?
[04:30] <Xira> -.-
[04:30] <billytwowilly> moominski: Then you don't have your repositories set up right. Go to the wiki and read up on how to setup universe, metaverse, restricted, etc.
[04:30] <evan_d> xira, all the packages that it installs probably total up to 395MB, but the kubuntu-desktop meta-package itself is only a few K
[04:30] <Xira> oh, well
[04:30] <Xira> he's getting rather specific
[04:31] <billytwowilly> Xira: I don't doubt that all the dependencies were large. I'm just nit picking;)
[04:31] <moominski> streamripper is already the newest version.
[04:31] <moominski> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 117 not upgraded.
[04:31] <Xira> it's well documented to ubuntu users to do a apt-get install kubuntu-desktop to install all of the kubuntu compnents
[04:31] <billytwowilly> then its installed.
[04:31] <moominski> ok how do i use it
[04:31] <moominski> where is it
[04:31] <Xira> it's perfect except the gnome menu entries dont show the icons for the KDE items
[04:31] <billytwowilly> It's a command line tool.
[04:31] <billytwowilly> You want streamtuner.
[04:32] <billytwowilly> a nice gtk frontend with streams pre-programmed
[04:32] <billytwowilly> apt-get install streamtuner.
[04:32] <billytwowilly> minus the .
[04:33] <verden01> moominski, if you go to the kubuntu.org site i think it tells you how to log into gnome or kde
[04:34] <verden01> i think its in FAQ or something similiar
[04:34] <moominski> i know how to do that
[04:38] <randabis> I like streamripper :) streamtuner is good too though and will playback and rip streams
[04:39] <moominski> wot do i get source distro
[04:41] <randabis> source distro? what do you mean?
[04:42] <randabis> *gentoo gears start clicking*
[04:44] <Zugot> does the kubuntu k3b burn mp3s?
[04:46] <Riddell> Zugot: I believe not
[04:46] <apokryphos> Zugot: there's some stuff you can do though, to get it running.
[04:48] <randabis> when you say burn mp3s, do you mean making an mp3 audio disk or what? I can make mp3 data discs just fine without any tricks
[04:49] <randabis> If you mean make audio cds from mp3s like nero does, then you need to do a few things I believe. There's a howto guide on the ubuntu forums
[04:49] <Zugot> randabis, you know what i mean..
[04:49] <randabis> uh, no I don't...that's why I asked
[05:00] <moominski> ok how do i save streams with kafeine
[05:01] <dcm> I have a problem with the Ubuntu live CD
[05:01] <dcm> I put it in my drive and restart but it doesn't work
[05:02] <dcm> I don't remember the exact reason, but I think it was something with the file system
[05:03] <randabis> this is #kubuntu, direct ubuntu questions to #ubuntu
[05:03] <randabis> we deal with kde mainly here
[05:04] <randabis> your problem could be a variety of things...a bad burn, incorrect BIOS settings, etc
[05:05] <dcm> I would, but I am banned
[05:05] <dcm> I'm using the ubuntu cd from the ship-it thing
[05:08] <randabis> check your bios, and make sure the first boot device is set to cdrom
[05:08] <dcm> It is
[05:09] <dcm> Well, Floppy -> CD -> HD
[05:09] <TechLord> hi all
[05:09] <randabis> you'll need to provide the error it gives then before I can provide any further troubleshooting
[05:09] <TechLord> question for you, how can i get a trashcan on my desktop
[05:09] <dcm> ok
[05:09] <dcm> ty
[05:12] <billytwowilly> TechLord: there is a trash applet you can add.
[05:12] <TechLord> to the desktop?
[05:12] <randabis> TechLord, navigate to you Desktop/ directory, locate the trash.desktop file, open it with a text editor and change Hidden=true to Hidden=false
[05:12] <billytwowilly> TechLord: to kicker.
[05:12] <randabis> then save the file
[05:12] <randabis> I think you may have to log out and log back in for it to take effect
[05:14] <TechLord> well i got an icon now but it looks all strange and not like a trashcan
[05:15] <randabis> you should be able to change the icon
[05:19] <TechLord> what i was seeing was a backup file and logoff and on to see real icon
[05:40] <Roey> heya
[05:41] <omni_lonnie> howdey
[05:42] <omni_lonnie> anyone here tried netzero with kubuntu?
[05:42] <Roey> hey kong-plugins got in!! yeay!!
[05:42] <Roey> Konqueror's Tools->/ menu is now mine!
[05:42] <Roey> muaahah
[05:53] <verden01> what is the Enterprise Edition?
[05:53] <verden01> Kubuntu will always be free of charge, and there is no extra fee for the "enterprise edition", we make our very best work available to everyone on the same Free terms.
[05:54] <Riddell> verden01: there isn't one
[05:54] <verden01> ok
[05:54] <Riddell> verden01: unlike Red Hat which charges lots for the privilage of naming it Enterprise
[05:54] <verden01> oh ok
[05:55] <verden01> why is ubuntu and kubuntu free of charge?
[05:55] <Riddell> because we think people will prefer it to be so
[05:56] <Riddell> ubuntu has a donate button on their website if you don't, and I have a paypal account too
[05:56] <verden01> well your not wrong there :)
[05:56] <verden01> the main distro's i have used i have always paid for
[05:57] <dcm> Why would you pay for it?
[05:57] <verden01> because at the end of the day nothing is free
[05:57] <LeeJunFan> anyone know when kde 3.4.1 is due?
[05:57] <verden01> it must cost someone something
[05:58] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: no time frame yet
[05:59] <Roey> *privilege
[05:59] <Riddell> verden01: nobody expects kde, gnu or linux to change for their work
[06:01] <verden01> if you guys did charge then i don't think anyone could complain
[06:02] <randabis> I believe canonical only plans to charge for official support at the enterprise and production levels
[06:02] <randabis> the distro itself will remain free
[06:03] <verden01> cool
[06:04] <Riddell> randabis: enterprise and production level?
[06:05] <randabis> probably worded that wrong, but what I mean is people who are using ubuntu for places like schools
[06:05] <randabis> or large offices, etc.
[06:05] <randabis> people that would need support
[06:07] <Riddell> they charge for support, (by e-mail, phone etc)
[06:08] <verden01> this subject is explained very well on the ubuntulinux.org site
[06:11] <randabis> yeah
[06:33] <TechLord> is anyone here
[06:36] <Roey> meeee
[06:38] <TechLord> what is the best way to backup a dvd on kde?
[06:41] <Roey> dunno
[06:41] <Roey> k3b?
[06:52] <LeeJunFan> TechLord: by back up are you talking about a data DVD or an encrypted copyrighted video DVD?
[06:53] <LeeJunFan> TechLord: cuz, AFAIK there is nothing like DVD shrink for linux, if that's what you want.
[06:55] <TechLord> i'm talking about protecting my kid dvds from my kids
[06:55] <TechLord> yea dvdshrink for linux would be great
[06:57] <LeeJunFan> TechLord: hehe, I think I've gone thru about 3 copies of fox and hound with my kid :)
[06:57] <underlord> can i disable that ugly graphical login (or replace it with a less ugly graphical login) without it reverting next time i upgrade my system?
[06:58] <LeeJunFan> underlord: if you want the default kdm look you can edit /etc/kde3/kdmrc and comment out the Theme= line
[06:58] <LeeJunFan> underlord: then it'll ask you when you do updates if you want to replace that config file or leave it as you have it.
[06:59] <underlord> ooh, ok
[06:59] <LeeJunFan> underlord: I understand there is a GUI tool that will eventually be in KDE for kdm theming, but as of yet it's not stable/complete enough.
[07:00] <underlord> an editor or just selection thingy for kcontrol?
[07:00] <LeeJunFan> underlord: I dunno - probably a selection thingy.
[07:00] <underlord> ahh
[07:01] <ice_1963> can i install synaptic in kubuntu ?? =)
[07:01] <LeeJunFan> ice_1963: sure can.
[07:01] <underlord> ice_1963: yes
[07:02] <ice_1963> apt-get install synaptic
[07:02] <underlord> ice_1963: open konsole, type sudo apt-get install synaptic
[07:02] <ice_1963> ok
[07:04] <LeeJunFan> ice_1963: for the record you can install any ubuntu app on kubuntu. They are both really the same distro with a different default desktop install at startup.
[07:04] <ice_1963> ok
[07:06] <ice_1963> i'm useing gnome right now but like kde desktop better
[07:07] <LeeJunFan> ice_1963: you can install kde in ubuntu by doing sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:07] <LeeJunFan> then of course you would have both on your system.
[07:08] <ice_1963> ok but i will still will have gnome
[07:08] <underlord> and you can select which to use at login time
[07:08] <ice_1963> uninstall
[07:08] <ice_1963> ???
[07:08] <ice_1963> gnome
[07:08] <underlord> you can uninstall gnome if you like, but theres no reason you have to
[07:36] <Xira> Resolving DNSes are slow, ergo slowing down my ubuntu connection... I remember fixing it in other distros by disabling ipv6 somthing.. anyone know what I'm talking about, and feel like telling me how to do it?
[07:37] <da_bon_bon> Xira: read ubuntuguide.org
[07:49] <Xira> da_bon_bon, that works for firefox, but it seems to be a system-wide issue
[08:16] <billytwowilly> Hi, is there any way to bind shortcut keys to volume control??
[09:57] <ice_1963> how do i install synaptic uninstall knaptic
[09:58] <ice_1963> in kde
[09:59] <ice_1963> ok
[11:40] <Kleggas> hmm, thought only I saw my own name next to my nick. any way of changing this?
[11:42] <Kleggas> btw, reason why Im here. anyone else having konqueror crash all the time? had it since I installed kubuntu and still have it after all these almost daily dist-upgrades that seems to be out more than ones per day. its only when I open the filemanager that it crashis often. for webbrowsing konqueror works
[11:45] <Kleggas> friend of mine got rid of that problem (he says) after the first dist-upgrade but I still have it even though I wiped out my ~./kde to get rid of all previous settings of konqueror
[11:47] <closure> yay! i succeeded!
[11:47] <closure> now how do i get gnome off of here?
[11:47] <Kleggas> closure: congrats, to whatever you succeeded with :)
[11:48] <closure> KDE install lol
[11:48] <Kleggas> :)
[11:48] <closure> theese things are big deals with me as i am new this whole linux thing
[11:48] <closure> well X
[11:48] <Beineri> closure: debfoster
[11:48] <closure> i've used console plenty of times but never intensively
[11:48] <closure> Beineri,  debfoster?
[11:48] <closure> what is that
[11:49] <Beineri> closure: a script/app to remove packages you don't want to hold
[11:49] <closure> what do i tell it i want it to remove?
[11:49] <closure> GNOME?
[11:49] <closure> are there other things i should as well?
[11:49] <Beineri> you tell it what to keep (ubuntu-base, kubuntu-desktop, ...)
[11:50] <closure> hrm
[11:50] <closure> so since i haven't installed anything new
[11:50] <Kleggas> why didn't I knew bout those kind of scripts when I whiped out entire gnome in warty a few months ago? used kpackage and removed one package at the time when I found them in the list :p
[11:50] <closure> i would only want ubuntu base and kubuntu desktop correct?
[11:51] <Beineri> closure: well, a kernel, debfoster, grub, synaptic may be also good to keep maybe :-)
[11:52] <closure> beineri be serious here i'm a n00b what is the easiest way for me to do this and not break this thing
[11:52] <Beineri> closure: it will ask you before removing for every package anyway
[11:52] <closure> oh christ one of those
[11:52] <Beineri> by default at least
[11:52] <closure> no simple click "uninstall" >8-)
[11:52] <Kleggas> who needs a kernel anyway?
[11:52] <closure> lol
[11:52] <closure> yeah really they're over rated
[11:53] <closure> always having to get updates and new ones
[11:53] <Beineri> Kleggas: uptime bragger? :-)
[11:53] <Kleggas> hmmm, nah, I just rebooted so my uptime aint that great :p
[11:54] <Kleggas> so, is it a known thing that konqueror crashes alot when opening up the filemanager mode, or is it just me? would be nice to know if its nothing to worry or if I did something crazy :)
[11:54] <Kleggas> I mean, I know its beta, but still would be nice to know how other has it :)
[11:55] <closure> beineri where do i find this debfoster?
[11:55] <closure> or do i run it from terminal?
[11:55] <Beineri> closure: universe repository
[11:55] <Beineri> closure: yes
[12:00] <Beineri> Kleggas: works here
[12:01] <Beineri> Kleggas: paste the backtrace into a bin...
[12:02] <Beineri> Kleggas: and talk to your irc client when you don't want your realname shown
[12:02] <closure> beineri how do i go about getting xmms/mplayer?
[12:02] <closure> well i guess xmms
[12:02] <closure> seems mplayer comes with this
[12:02] <Beineri> closure: pardon?
[12:02] <closure> the media player XMMS
[12:02] <closure> how do i go about installing that
[12:02] <closure> do i do "apt-get install xmms"
[12:03] <Beineri> use apt-get, ksynaptic, synaptic?
[12:03] <Beineri> closure: yes, you didn't try?
[12:03] <closure> i did
[12:04] <closure> it didn't get it
[12:04] <Gryphon-> i just installed Kubuntu Hoary and installed the ATI 3D drivers, the drivers appear to be working, but my OpenGL device is being listed as MESA indirect - is there a way to fix this as games arent loading atm..
[12:04] <closure> will apt-get put it on my K Menu?
[12:04] <Kleggas> closure: don't think so
[12:04] <closure> will Kynaptic?
[12:04] <Kleggas> closure: tried amarok? made me throw away xmms for eternity :)
[12:05] <Gryphon-> apt-get install xmms will put it on the the k menu
[12:05] <closure> nope
[12:05] <Gryphon-> did it for me
[12:05] <Beineri> closure: "apt-get install xmms" works here
[12:05] <closure> hrm maybe it's since i changed to the universe repositories it does
[12:06] <Kleggas> Beineri: what pastebin? where?
[12:06] <closure> beineri is there a gui based "add/remove" programs type deal?
[12:06] <Beineri> Kleggas: like http://rafb.net/paste/
[12:07] <Beineri> closure: kynaptic, synaptic - look into the System/ menu ;-)
[12:07] <ztonzy> amu, here ?
[12:07] <closure> can i use those to remove GNOME?
[12:08] <Kleggas> there: http://rafb.net/paste/results/K9jy6C92.html
[12:08] <Kleggas> :)
[12:08] <Kleggas> even I knew how, hihi
[12:08] <Beineri> closure: sure, if you love to find all GNOME low-level dependencies :-)
[12:08] <ztonzy> if I want to burn Kubuntu Live CD...what date-version is the best ?
[12:09] <Beineri> ztonzy: current/
[12:09] <closure> beineri you're speaking french
[12:09] <closure> what exactly is that?
[12:09] <ztonzy> Beineri, ah thanks
[12:10] <Beineri> closure: Je ne parle pas Francais :-)
[12:10] <Kleggas> :)
[12:12] <Beineri> Kleggas: tried to (re)move konquerorrc? are you starting it from a special directory? did you try to starting it from shell?
[12:12] <closure> lol
[12:12] <Kleggas> Beineri: I removed entire ~.kde/
[12:13] <Kleggas> still same, no, didn't try to start from shell
[12:15] <Kleggas> ok, out of 20 times 20 worked, none crashed. so I will quit using my service-menu to open filemanager :p
[12:15] <Kleggas> ment system-menu
[12:16] <Beineri> Kleggas: the second entry on Kubuntu panel?
[12:16] <Kleggas> yes
[12:16] <Beineri> Kleggas: I wonder a bit what profile you start that it loads the sidebar for you...
[12:17] <Beineri> ah, the system menu does...
[12:17] <Kleggas> it automagically loads it from the system-menu...and also when i run 'kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing' from shell
[12:17] <Kleggas> erm, not webbrowsing, filemanagement :)
[12:17] <Beineri> Kleggas: kfmclient openProfile filemanagement" from shell also crashs?
[12:18] <Kleggas> no, that one works great
[12:18] <Beineri> strange
[12:18] <Kleggas> ried exactly 20 times and didn't crash ones
[12:18] <Kleggas> while system menu crashes every third time or such
[12:18] <Beineri> oh, not always?
[12:18] <Kleggas> no, just often
[12:18] <Beineri> even more strange
[12:19] <Kleggas> yeah, thought so too
[12:20] <closure> beineri, do you know of a good news reader for KDE?
[12:20] <Beineri> closure: knode?
[12:20] <Kleggas> closure: akregator
[12:20] <Beineri> define "news" :-)
[12:20] <gryphon-> how do i enable direct rending with my ati card?
[12:20] <Kleggas> :)
[12:20] <closure> Newsgroups
[12:20] <closure> akregator?
[12:20] <Beineri> knode/kontact (with leafnode)
[12:20] <Kleggas> closure: akregator is not for newsgroups
[12:20] <closure> will that transfer files as well
[12:20] <closure> oh
[12:21] <Kleggas> try what Beineri  said
[12:21] <closure> no i want something that will allow file transfer with newsgroups along with headers
[12:21] <closure> what is leafnode?
[12:21] <Beineri> small nttp server (allowing you to read newsgroups offline with KNode)
[12:22] <Beineri> nntp
[12:22] <Kleggas> gryphon-: isn't it that line you add in the Device section saying: Option  "RenderAccel" "true"
[12:22] <closure> i have a private nntp server that's not needed
[12:22] <closure> i want to be able to download files from it
[12:23] <gryphon-> Kleggas: in xorg.conf?
[12:23] <Kleggas> yupp
[12:23] <Beineri> closure: http://klibido.sourceforge.net/
[12:23] <Kleggas> under the 'Device' section
[12:24] <gryphon-> Kleggas: ok, i added that line, whats best way to restart X? system reboot?
[12:24] <Beineri> gryphon-: relogin?
[12:25] <Kleggas> ctrl-alt-backspace is one way
[12:25] <Beineri> Kleggas: iek
[12:27] <gryphon-> Beineri: thanks
[12:28] <closure> johnny cochiran died?
[12:29] <Kleggas> btw, a none kde/ubuntu question. is it possible to bring forth a background process? was kinda thinkin of logging on to a server, starting an irc client with & to put it in background, and then later when I log back on, bring it forth and use it...is that possible?
[12:30] <Kleggas> closure: see Im not the only one asking kde/ubuntu questions :p
[12:30] <Kleggas> not asking even
[12:30] <closure> oh cohiran is kubuntu related
[12:31] <closure> he could've gone to court over it
[12:31] <Kleggas> hmm, ok
[12:31] <Beineri> Kleggas: screen
[12:32] <Beineri> Kleggas: normal background processes will be killed once you logout :-)
[12:32] <Kleggas> Beineri: aahh, yes. thats it, new I had used something like that before :)
[12:32] <Kleggas> thanx
[12:34] <gryphon-> btw, RenderAccel isnt a correct setting hehe, X wouldnt even boot
[12:35] <Kleggas> ?
[12:35] <Kleggas> I have it in my xorg.conf and Im in X
[12:35] <Kleggas> Option  "RenderAccel" "true"
[12:35] <Kleggas> says the line
[12:35] <Kleggas> maybe it depends on the version of xorg
[12:36] <Kleggas> I run latest dist-upgrade with the xorg that came out yesterday. but have been using that option for 1 week now
[12:39] <Beineri> maybe his driver doesn't know this option? :-)
[12:40] <Kleggas> might be :)
[12:46] <ztonzy> w00t....  K3b rocks :)
[12:47] <Kleggas> :)
[12:47] <ztonzy> live cd that is
[12:52] <Beineri> ztonzy: like k^hubuntu? :-)
[12:53] <ztonzy> h ?
[12:54] <ztonzy> knoppix is nice ...it has java installed on its cd
[12:55] <Beineri> ztonzy: try typing "k" ctrl+h "ubuntu" in a shell
[12:56] <ztonzy> Beineri, what will happen ?
[12:57] <Kleggas> ztonzy: probably you will see the allmighty k^hubuntu :p
[12:57] <ztonzy> Kleggas, I dont get a ^
[12:57] <ztonzy> but ctrl+h  makes the cursor do one step back
[12:57] <Kleggas> might depend on keyboard layout
[12:57] <ztonzy> swedish
[12:58] <Kleggas> ztonzy: yeah, youre right. use swedish here too and it did the same
[12:59] <ztonzy> :)
[12:59] <Kleggas> and java is boring. knoppix could have left that one out :p
[12:59] <Beineri> ztonzy: ctrl+h being backspace is the trick :-)
[01:00] <ztonzy> Kleggas, depends...some sites needs it
[01:00] <Beineri> ztonzy: Knoppix is ugly and a mess, try pclinuxos :-)
[01:00] <ztonzy> Beineri, show me
[01:00] <Kleggas> ztonzy: yeah, I know :(
[01:01] <Kleggas> but still its the most boring stuff to code in :)
[01:01] <Beineri> ztonzy: http://www.pclinuxonline.com/pclos/html/screen_shots.html
[01:02] <ztonzy> Beineri, nice
[01:31] <gryphon-> if there are developers in here, it appears you left the radeon drivers out of the 2.6.10-5-k7 kernel :(
[02:09] <mkjp> hello
[02:13] <mkjp> I instal mozilla-firefox i i have firefox version for gnome???
[02:13] <usual> how do I disable animations when mini/max
[02:17] <mkjp> go to control center
[02:19] <robodex> hey, anyone had any success in getting baghira to work in kubuntu? I installed kwin-baghira but it only lets me change the widget style... no theme option
[02:22] <mkjp> I have problem with mount drivers ?
[03:05] <membreya> to load a custom script for my mouse (in my home directory it's mouse.rc) do I just add the text to /etc/X11/Xsession ?
[03:07] <techlord-work> i would put that in the .kde/Autostart folder
[03:08] <membreya> techlord-work: I've tried that and it just loads the script in Kate
[03:13] <techlord-work> i'm not sure then, i've never had to reconfigure my mouse before
[03:17] <membreya> techlord-work: it's to enable the side buttons on my ms explorer mouse :)
[03:18] <techlord-work> that makes sense, i'm using a laptop and have no side buttons.
[03:18] <techlord-work> so what is in the mouse.rc?
[03:19] <membreya> join #flood :)
[03:20] <membreya> there you go :)
[03:22] <techlord-work> does the command complete if you call it from the konsole? i know it won't change the settigs but it will tells if all the syntax is right?
[03:22] <membreya> i have to call it from the konsole every boot
[03:23] <membreya> so I have to ./mouse.rc after kde has finished loading
[03:23] <techlord-work> so it does work then, that's good,  what if you put a shell script in .kde/Autostart that calls the mouse.rc?
[03:23] <randabis> all alone is all we are
[03:24] <membreya> but the mouse.rc is a shell script :| and as i said, it's just loading in kate
[03:24] <uniq> membreya: is it executeable?
[03:25] <uniq> chmod u+x file
[03:25] <uniq> or set it executeable in konqueror..
[03:26] <techlord-work> if he can all from the command line it should already be executable
[03:26] <membreya> yup, already chmod'ed it
[03:26] <uniq> still opens in kate?
[03:26] <techlord-work> try chaning the extension from .rc to .sh, maybe kde has a file association with .rc for kate
[03:26] <uniq> ok.. make a wrapper then.. that runs 'bash /path/to/script.rc &'
[03:28] <uniq> i have one single script in Autostart.. named start.sh.. that runns all the commands i'd like to be run when kde starts..
[03:28] <techlord-work> on a similar issue, i'm having problems with my mapped multimeida keys  for volume control, i have my pcm audio to raise, lower and mute with X86fAudio and etc but they still controll just the normal volume any ideas?
[03:29] <uniq> I use lineakd
[03:29] <uniq> works nicely.
[03:29] <membreya> techlord-work: glad you can get your MM keys to work, gnome works beautifully but kde doesn't even recognise em :|
[03:29] <membreya> and thanks, I will try naming it to .sh and putting it in autostart
[03:29] <techlord-work> Xmodmap them is what i had to do
[03:29] <techlord-work> what is lineakd?
[03:29] <techlord-work> never heard of it
[03:30] <uniq> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/lineakd
[03:30] <techlord-work> thanks
[03:31] <techlord-work> i was fighting with that for over an hour last night, never did get the keys to control pcm thou. that lineakd should work great thanks again
[03:32] <uniq> you still need some commands to run.. to change the volume..
[03:32] <uniq> if you have kmix running.. you can use dcop
[03:32] <uniq> dcop is great.
[03:32] <uniq> I can put my lineak config on the web.. for you..
[03:32] <uniq> as an example.
[03:33] <techlord-work> please do thanks
[03:34] <uniq> http://frode.kde.no/dull/lineakd.conf
[03:34] <uniq> there..
[03:35] <uniq> of course yuou'll have to use lineakd to make a config for your keyboard.. (lineakd -l and lineakd -c keyboardtype.. ) and just use my dcop commands as examples..
[03:44] <techlord-work> uniq how long have you been using ubuntu?
[03:44] <uniq> techlord-work: not for long.. like 2 months maybe.
[03:45] <uniq> been using debian since arround 2000 though.. much the same..
[03:45] <membreya> hmm how do I fix this without rebooting? kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[03:46] <techlord-work> this is my first experience with debian, been using linux for servers for years, but just now trying to switch over my laptops and desktops to linux.
[03:46] <uniq> good :)
[03:52] <membreya> techlord-work: changing the mouse.rc to a mouse.sh means it works beautifully now :D
[03:52] <techlord-work> that's great to hear
[04:06] <da_bon_bon> membreya: u compile your own kernels right ?
[04:08] <membreya> da_bon_bon: nope, I've tried ..but gave up quickly
[04:08] <da_bon_bon> membreya: bad! was just gonna ask u a question or two
[04:08] <membreya> ;)
[04:14] <uniq> da_bon_bon: shoot.. i've compiled hundreds :)
[04:14] <membreya> uniq: compile mine :P
[04:14] <membreya> actually I'm happy with my kernel .. even if it takes 1 min to load my system from go to woah
[04:14] <da_bon_bon> uniq: great.
[04:14] <da_bon_bon> uniq: u compile alsa into it or as a module ?
[04:15] <uniq> membreya: haha.. i've got my own to care about.. but you can ask questions too :)
[04:15] <uniq> da_bon_bon: i try to compile most drivers as modules.
[04:15] <malte`> hi
[04:15] <malte`> wil Kubuntu RC be released today??
[04:15] <membreya> nah 1 minute is an acceptable load time for me :) (amd64 3200)
[04:15] <da_bon_bon> uniq: why /?
[04:15] <uniq> da_bon_bon: i include filesystems and things like that in the kernel.. atleast most filesystems..
[04:16] <apokryphos> malte`: yes
[04:16] <malte`> i wonder when...
[04:16] <apokryphos> (hopefully :P)
[04:16] <uniq> da_bon_bon: well.. I can recompile the modules without rebooting the kernel.. if i want to..
[04:17] <da_bon_bon> uniq: and do u compile agpgart at all ?
[04:17] <uniq> as a module..
[04:18] <da_bon_bon> ok
[04:18] <da_bon_bon> thanks
[04:18] <da_bon_bon> bye
[05:22] <allee> uniq, techlord-work: why not use lineak-kdeplugins?  Much nicer/efficient that calling dcop ;)
[05:23] <techlord-work> i've never heard of lineak till earlier and what is the lineak-kdeplugins? never heard of thoses what do they do/
[05:24] <allee> techlord-work: plugins for lineak.  the kdeplugins 'knows' show to use kmix, amorak, ...
[05:25] <allee> techlord-work: lineak.conf then looks like:
[05:25] <allee> Mute = KMIX_MUTE
[05:25] <allee> VolumeDown = KMIX_VOLDOWN
[05:25] <allee> VolumeUp = KMIX_VOLUP
[05:26] <techlord-work> that's cool
[05:28] <rzei> shit this is back to the stoneage now that an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade broke kde..
[05:28] <rzei> any devs around how aknowledge this problem?
[05:29] <techlord-work> how did it brake kde?
[05:30] <rzei> it looks like none of my configs work after starting a new session, not even the panel loads correctly
[05:30] <gdh> rzei: This is known, yes :)
[05:30] <gdh> rzei: the joys of living on the edge, eh?
[05:30] <rzei> gdh: how did you manage to break those packages up like that :)
[05:31] <gdh> rzei: I am not a devel , just a user who reads the channel =)
[05:31] <allee> techlord-work: and try the -xosdplugin too.  That's cute ;)
[05:32] <techlord-work> rzei this actually started a couple of updates ago, the easiest workaround i've found is to delete the kidden kde dir and reconfigure it
[05:32] <techlord-work> allee what is the the xosdplugin
[05:32] <gdh> I just added my panels manually again <shrug> :)
[05:32] <gdh> only took a minute or so
[05:33] <rzei> gdh: is konqueror still broken, i mean after a restart?
[05:33] <techlord-work> that is the other work around
[05:33] <gdh> rzei: It didn't break for me...
[05:33] <rzei> gdh: did you lose your $HOME/.kde/
[05:33] <techlord-work> i don't like Konqueror, i prefer firefox, love the plugins
[05:33] <gdh> nope
[05:33] <gdh> I would've been fairly annoyed if I had
[05:34] <gdh> konq still feels fragile as a browser
[05:34] <rzei> hmm i guess i too could make it work -->
[05:34] <allee> techlord-work: lineak-xosdplugin  show a on-screen-display the of volume or 'mute' (for a sec) when you pressed the mute button etc.. nice visual feedback
[05:35] <uniq> allee: haven't looked at the kdeplugins.. i'll take a look. thanks for the tip.
[05:36] <techlord-work> i already get that
[05:36] <allee> did I understand it right: dist-upgrade is currently a bad idea?
[05:36] <rzei> that was easy..
[05:36] <rzei> allee: yes
[05:37] <allee> is last night install CD really new?  Not only rebuild but with new content?
[05:37] <rzei> allee: if it works, don't touch it :)
[05:37] <allee> rzei thanks!
[05:38] <rzei> nice even konqueror works again
[05:39] <allee> I got two new Dell Server I would like to install kubuntu on.    Will serve dozends of X-terminals (thin clients)
[05:40] <lonewolff> alee: you may still be better with a real debian install, then you can customize it more to your requirement
[05:40] <gdh> Interesting - what are the clients? Diskless PCs or something?
[05:41] <gdh> allee: I ask because I do a PXE boot NIS/NFS-based client system here..
[05:41] <gdh> allee: Although they're not 'thin' clients as such - they run apps locally... I don't fancy the memory usage of 50 copies of firefox/thunderbird/openoffice...
[05:42] <allee> gdh.  Strip down woody with only X-server.   At the time there were no diskless PC that 1600x1200 and DVI graphics.
[05:42] <gdh> wow that's a fairly high-end setup :)
[05:43] <gdh> (adding a decent Intel NIC with built-in bootrom would make any PC boot from the network..)
[05:44] <lonewolff> allee: 1600x1200, wow , what size monitors do you use with that?
[05:44] <allee> gdh: I tought about it but rsync and substitue IP & hostname is fast and disk are not the noisy parts (especially when then spin down and never wakeup ;)
[05:45] <allee> lonewolff: 19'' now 20''
[05:45] <lonewolff> ah ic
[05:45] <lonewolff> i just wondered cause i have 1400x1050 on a 14.1" lcd and thats very small lol
[05:45] <gdh> allee: No, not noisy, but generate heat... but most importantly - a major source of failure :)
[05:46] <gdh> also diskless = guarantee of identical binary code running on each machine
[05:46] <gdh> that's a major plus for a managed system
[05:47] <techlord-work> that would be great
[05:47] <allee> gdh: Next time I'll check for little diskless boxes.  Now (that buildin gfx can to 1600x1200)
[05:48] <gdh> allee: definately DVI is the way to go - the VGA out on our Shuttle PCs are abysmal with analogue TFTs
[05:48] <gdh> I put an TNT2 in mine and the sharpness of the picture shot up
[05:49] <allee> lonewolff: my laptop has same res and I like to have 25% more pixels for my 10pt font!
[05:50] <gdh> Heh, the number of people running windows on a 1600x1200 TFT  in 1024 or 800x600 makes me cry
[05:50] <gdh> 'the fonts are too small'
[05:50] <techlord-work> what size of screen do you have on your laptop
[05:50] <techlord-work> and what model
[05:50] <gdh> and Windows' "large font" setting breaks a lot of apps. Nice one, billy boy.
[05:50] <allee> gdh: yeah.  DVI is really nice.     Didn't found something about it :(
[06:24] <ncterval> Alright, I tried dist-upgrading from Debian Sid to Kubuntu, and I'm having problems getting kde-style-lipstik... installed.
[06:28] <Curalton> from sid to kubuntu, nasty :)
[06:29] <Curalton> first make sure you have all sid packages replaced with ubuntu ones, use /etc/apt/preferences for that, i.e. put kubuntu ones at max priority, overriding locally installed ones
[06:30] <ncterval> Indeed.  I had lipstik installed already, and it seems to be having problems overwriting it with the Kubuntu package.  I'm using Lipstik as my theme right now, but can't open up KControl to change it.  Can you do it from the CLI?
[06:31] <Curalton> no idea, see if its a config issue and try as another user with a clear ~/.kde
[06:31] <techlord-work> has anyone here ever heard of wireless assistant for kde?
[06:31] <Curalton> else sort out the package mess first :)
[06:31] <crimsun> sid -> hoary works fairly well, but it takes a bit of massaging
[06:32] <crimsun> for instance, you have to put python2.4 related packages on hold once you get them installed from kubuntu
[06:32] <ncterval> crimsun: Why?
[06:32] <Curalton> apt/preferences should do that for you
[06:33] <crimsun> yes well, I neglected to mention that the situation is not a complete switchover to {k}ubuntu.  It's a mixed sid/experimental/hoary whirlpool.
[06:33] <Curalton> heh, longing for X.org in sid?
[06:34] <ncterval> Curalton: Yes, in fact.  That and KDE 3.4
[06:34] <crimsun> not really.  It's just much easier for me to track bugs and changelogs if I have both sid and hoary sources.
[06:35] <ncterval> I think I need to uninstall my old lipstik package so the Kubuntu one can be installed, but whenever I do an apt-get-remove it tries to install the Kubuntu one first.
[06:35] <Curalton> ncterval: you still have sid and kubunto sources.list entrys?
[06:35] <Curalton> id remove the sid ones then
[06:36] <ncterval> Just the Kubuntu ones ATM.
[06:36] <ncterval> Yah
[06:36] <crimsun> kill the sid entries, update, purge the package, and reinstall the package from kubuntu
[06:36] <Curalton> ah, indeed /var/cache/apt/archives/ cahce maybe
[06:36] <Curalton> cache*
[06:38] <ncterval> I think I have everything worked out, I just need to remove the old lipstik package without it trying to resolve any dependencies.  Is there a switch for that in apt-get?
[06:40] <allee> techlord-work: read about wlassistant today on kde-apps.  Sounds very interesting but have not tried
[06:40] <ncterval> 'The following packages have unmet dependencies:  kubuntu-default-settings: Depends: kde-style-lipstik but it is not going to be installed'
[06:40] <Curalton> ncterval: dpkg -r --force-all <pkg>
[06:40] <Curalton> warning --force-all is a supreme way to really fsck your system
[06:40] <techlord-work> allee i thought it sounded interesting also, seems a little better then kwifimanger
[06:42] <ncterval> You know what, I think I just needed to use dpkg instead of apt-get-that was stupid.  Thanks, Curalton
[06:42] <allee> techlord-work: will you try it?
[06:46] <Curalton> :)
[06:47] <techlord-work> allee: i'm at work now but i will install and try when i get home
[06:48] <allee> techlord-work: great.  keep me informed.
[06:48] <techlord-work> allee will do
[06:58] <ncterval> Alright, KDE 3.4 is working.  I'm not sure if I'm running X.org, though, how do I find out?
[06:59] <Beineri> xdpyinfo
[07:00] <ncterval> Ah.  Looks like it's still XF86...  at least I got KDE 3.4.
[07:00] <Curalton> ncterval: alioth also has kde 3.4
[07:02] <ncterval> Curalton: I believe they didn't have KDM working, though.
[07:05] <Curalton> you have to install it manually
[07:05] <Curalton> but yes, a plain dist-upgrade leaved kdm segfaulting
[07:07] <ncterval> Kubuntu does something with sudo, right?  Because my root password seems to have been changed.
[07:08] <Curalton> sudo passwd root to fix it :)
[07:08] <Curalton> yes, no root user just as in mac os x
[07:08] <Curalton> interesing that just updating changes that, evil :>
[07:09] <ncterval> The command is 'sudo (password) root' to set it?
[07:09] <Curalton> no
[07:10] <Curalton> passwd is the binary to call
[07:10] <ncterval> Ah
[07:10] <Curalton> /usr/bin/passwd
[07:10] <ncterval> Alright, when I do that it asks for a password, then doesn't accept my old one.
[07:11] <Curalton> 1st password is your user pass
[07:11] <Curalton> then 2x new root pass
[07:12] <ncterval> It says my username is not in the sudoers file.
[07:12] <Curalton> uh oh o.O
[07:12] <Curalton> seems your system locked you out :>
[07:13] <ncterval> :O  So what should I do?
[07:14] <Curalton> heh, file a bug, then boot with init=/bin/sh, mount your rootfs manually and set a new rootpass
[07:15] <ncterval> Ouch.  Alright, there's an init file to edit somewhere to boot like that, right?
[07:16] <lonewolff> jsut pass it to the kernel at boot time
[07:16] <lonewolff> just*
[07:18] <ncterval> Forgive my ignorance, but how?
[07:19] <lonewolff> when you boot it tells you to press a key to get to the grub screen (esc i think) and then edit the parameters for your installed kerenl (instructions are shown on the grub screen) and add the information to the end
[07:19] <lonewolff> sorry i cant be more specific, but i have not looked at the grub screen in ubuntu much
[07:20] <lonewolff> thats just a generic way to edit grub boot options
[07:20] <ncterval> Oh, alright, do it with grub.  I think I understand.
[07:21] <ncterval> To set the new password it would be 'passwd root' then the password?
[07:21] <lonewolff> passwd root then it will aks for the new pass twice
[07:21] <ncterval> Alright, thanks, I'll go do that.
[07:25] <ztonzy> amu, hey :) I burned a live cd of kubuntu today of "current" I discovered that 'pmount'  isn't there or doesn't work...
[07:26] <Riddell> ztonzy: it wasn't in the seeds and we had to take it out of the depends because it was causing problems, it's now in the seeds but not in time for today's CDs (or release candidates)
[07:26] <ztonzy> amu, usb-stick was detected but couldn't be loaded :-/
[07:27] <ztonzy> Riddell, hmm ok
[07:27] <ztonzy> Riddell, does it work in Ubuntu (hoary) ?
[07:27] <ztonzy> I mean if I want a live cd
[07:28] <Riddell> ztonzy: I work on kubuntu
[07:28] <ztonzy> Riddell, sorry
[07:28] <Riddell> ztonzy: don't be, I like it :)
[07:28] <ztonzy> like kubuntu ? I use it everyday :p
[07:29] <ztonzy> I just want to take a live cd with me and being able to use USB where I am
[07:30] <ztonzy> Riddell, I also introduced Kubuntu and Ubuntu to guy today...he have tried Red Hat, Fedora and also Suse :)  so I told him to give it a shot
[07:31] <ztonzy> lonewolff, who doesnt ;) ?
[07:31] <lonewolff> dunno, suse does have some good hardware detection stuff
[07:32] <Curalton> is this "update to kunbutu, user locked out" bug filed already?
[07:32] <Riddell> Curalton: I've not heard of it
[07:36] <ncterval> The root password works from the CLI, now, but not in kdesu.
[07:37] <Curalton> does kdesu maybe use the suduers facility?
[07:37] <Curalton> if you you have to add your user to the adm(?) group and maybe edit the suduers file
[07:37] <St0n3-C0l> hmm...
[07:37] <St0n3-C0l> u can set ur root password
[07:37] <St0n3-C0l> then try
[07:38] <St0n3-C0l> Thats the safest option
[07:38] <St0n3-C0l> if ur system is used by others
[07:39] <ncterval> I'm looking at the sudoers file right now, do I just add my username under the user privelages specification?
[07:41] <treke> Is there anything currently in place in main that can handle bringing up a network interface when a connection is present? Something similar to ifplugd and waproamd?
[07:42] <Curalton> ncterval: use "visudo"
[07:43] <Curalton> ncterval: that checks the syntax, iirc its %adm ALL = ALL or something like it
[07:52] <ncterval> Is the soundcard not /dev/dsp in Kubuntu?
[08:14] <allee> treke: I would also like to know.  ifplugd is in universe  (and IMHO every laptop without ifplugd is broken ;)
[08:14] <nydust> how do i install a printer that are on a windows nettwork?
[08:17] <treke> allee: hehe yeah. I'm just going to install ifplugd, but I figured I'd check and see if there was a more ubuntu way of doing things before reverting to old faithful :)
[08:18] <Curalton> heh, its not even in the universe repository which you can activate just by mouse?
[08:18] <treke> it's in universe
[08:19] <phunky> is there a british english language pack for kubuntu?
[08:19] <Riddell> ifplugd should talk to HAL so it can have nice graphical front ends
[08:19] <Riddell> phunky: kde-i18n-engb
[08:23] <allee> Riddell: Why? ifplug does what's in interfaces and knemo tells me that I'm on(off)line now.   What needs a UI is ifup/down
[08:25] <ncterval> Hmmm, artsd keeps giving me 'device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such device)', although the file /dev/dsp does indeed exist.
[08:27] <allee> ncterval: check that no two artsd are running (e.g. a second for root because of a konsole beep)
[08:29] <amu> ztonzy: thx, saw it already
[08:29] <ncterval> Root did have a soundserver open, but killing it didn't help :(
[08:30] <techlord-work> question for you ubuntu recognizes my builtin sd card reader but kubuntu doesn't
[08:30] <techlord-work> any ideas
[08:30] <ztonzy> amu, ah, I was thinking I could add pmount to the system and burn a new cd...can it be done ?
[08:31] <amu> kubuntu livecd ? or the installed one ?
[08:31] <ztonzy> amu, live cd
[08:31] <amu> ztonzy: yep tried it on the live and it works, so just pmount was missing
[08:31] <ztonzy> today's release
[08:32] <ztonzy> just the binary "pmount" is enough ?
[08:32] <amu> ztonzy: apt-get install pmount
[08:32] <ztonzy> I have it...but I mean if I want on the live cd
[08:33] <amu> ztonzy: doesnt matter, liveCD behavior is like a normal system
[08:33] <ztonzy> normal ?  so...I cant copy the live cd content to hd and add pmount to that and burn it on a new cd ?
[08:34] <Riddell> Release Candidate out!
[08:35] <treke> doh
[08:35] <treke> and I just installed the preview :p
[08:35] <amu> ztonzy: something like this, check http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo
[08:35] <Riddell> treke: always the way :)
[08:36] <ztonzy> Riddell, means ;) ?
[08:37] <treke> nope :(
[08:37] <Riddell> grab it while it's fresh!  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/hoary/rc/
[08:38] <Curalton> ill just dist-upbreak it :)
[08:38] <Riddell> use the torrents please
[08:38] <Curalton> hmm, indeed. my rootserver has bandwidth to burn
[08:39] <treke> oooh
[08:39] <treke> it worked I just had to switch vts to get x back
[08:39] <Curalton> for this remaining month at least
[08:39] <Sime> anyone know what the status is of the python+KDE bindings?
[08:39] <Sime> (hi john)
[08:39] <treke> oh wait no.
[08:40] <treke> it looks like the mounted partitions went by bye :)
[08:42] <Curalton> hmm, to bad i cant tell bittorent to stop after uploading X GByte
[08:43] <treke> too bad I can't use bittorrent :(
[08:44] <Curalton> main page still advertises the preview
[08:46] <amu> would it help to have a kubuntu-forum ?
[08:46] <malte`> finally!!!
[08:46] <ztonzy> think I am gonna burn Ubuntu RC horay live cd on a cd-rw :)  and test
[08:49] <ztonzy> Riddell, so this RC still doesnt have 'pmount'  ?
[08:54] <Curalton> ppc seeder gone? cant complete that atm
[08:56] <moominski> any1 know how i can change terminal backround colour?
[08:56] <Curalton> or is  --max_download_rate broken for bt :/
[08:57] <ztonzy> apokryphos, evening
[08:57] <apokryphos> Hi there; how's it going?
[09:01] <apokryphos> heh, new amaroK out (and in repositories!) already I see
[09:02] <techlord-work> what kernel is kubuntu based off
[09:02] <ztonzy> apokryphos, fine thanks, you ?
[09:02] <apokryphos> Linux one ;-)
[09:02] <techlord-work> LOL
[09:02] <apokryphos> techlord-work: currently, 2.6.10
[09:03] <apokryphos> ztonzy: Yup, all pretty well here.
[09:03] <techlord-work> ok thanks
[09:04] <moominski> apokryphos: do you know how i can change my terminal backroud colour?
[09:04] <moominski> its white and i cant see some files
[09:04] <apokryphos> moominski: Yup. Settings > Configure Konsole > Schema
[09:04] <moominski> thanks
[09:05] <apokryphos> It's always worth checking the handbook of KDE programs. You can do it in konqueror by typing help:<programname> in the URL bar. Also from the Help menu in the program...
[09:05] <moominski> omg where is settings
[09:06] <moominski> sorry
[09:06] <apokryphos> Did you remove it? ;-)
[09:07] <treke> apparantly acpi based powermanagement still sucks :)
[09:08] <moominski> Settings > Configure Konsole > Schema where do i find that
[09:09] <treke> in konsole :)
[09:09] <moominski> omg
[09:09] <moominski> it dont work
[09:09] <apokryphos> moominski: well, what do you mean?
[09:09] <treke> how does it not work?
[09:10] <moominski> i want to change the terminal backround colour
[09:10] <apokryphos> moominski: yes, and, what's the exact problem?
[09:10] <apokryphos> How is it not working? Which part...
[09:11] <moominski> Settings > Configure Konsole > Schema
[09:11] <moominski> that part
[09:11] <treke> right how does that not work?
[09:11] <apokryphos> Heh. So what's gone wrong? Have you gone to it?
[09:11] <treke> kde's menu code seems to be reasonably bug free :)
[09:11] <moominski> i typed it in terminal and nothing happens
[09:11] <apokryphos> You don't type that in Terminal :)
[09:12] <moominski> wot do i do then
[09:12] <moominski> paste
[09:12] <apokryphos> You go to the Menu, up top. ">" normally indicate menus/sub-menus
[09:12] <treke> look at your menus
[09:12] <moominski> did that
[09:12] <apokryphos> and "Settings" is not there?
[09:14] <moominski> u have completely lost me m8 sorry if im bein a pain but i aint got a clue
[09:15] <treke> go to the settings menu
[09:20] <moominski> where is the setings menu?
[09:21] <moominski> ok im konqueror settings is that right
[09:21] <treke> look at the menus in konsole
[09:21] <moominski> witch tab
[09:21] <apokryphos> No tab, it's the menu
[09:21] <treke> menus are above the tabs
[09:22] <moominski> ahh the little downword arrow?
[09:22] <gsuveg> re
[09:22] <treke> ? what little downward arrow?
[09:23] <apokryphos> :)
[09:23] <moominski> in terminal top left
[09:23] <apokryphos> No, not that.
[09:24] <apokryphos> http://www.youmortals.com/stuff/ubuntu/settings.jpg
[09:24] <treke> apokryphos: haha you beat me to it :p
[09:24] <Riddell> ztonzy: it doesn't have pmount but all the daily CDs either side of it do
[09:24] <apokryphos> =)
[09:26] <ztonzy> Riddell, install ?
[09:26] <Riddell> ztonzy: hmm?
[09:26] <ztonzy> I meant live cd/pmount
[09:26] <Riddell> ztonzy: what about it?
[09:26] <ztonzy> and you replied all other than RC , daily have it
[09:27] <ztonzy> Riddell, so that's why I asked "install"
[09:27] <ztonzy> if it makes sense
[09:27] <Riddell> ztonzy: yeah.  probably not entirely accurate but it was included in some because kdebase depended on it, but the depend broke stuff so that's removed and now it's included in the seeds directly
[09:27] <Riddell> ztonzy: so it's not on the release candidate live or install CDs
[09:28] <ztonzy> Riddell, ok :)  thanks
[09:28] <ztonzy> I did howeveer burned Ubuntu hoary live on a CDRW
[09:28] <ztonzy> the RC
[09:28] <ztonzy> to see if it works
[09:28] <Riddell> and did it?
[09:29] <ztonzy> havent tested yet...on 4x speed... heh
[09:29] <ztonzy> even though burner handles 24x  bad CD-rw's ;)
[09:29] <ztonzy> will do in a moment
[09:31] <ztonzy> brb !
[09:33] <moominski> its ok i found it thanks for your help im a bumbass
[09:41] <randabis> hopefully the x-server won't crash again :/
[09:48] <dimmak> i am unable to get past my router on my kubuntu box to the internet... any configuration settings i should look at? it worked in the past... it has been borked for about 3 days and I don't know the cause
[09:49] <dimmak> i have experienced the problem of only getting to the router with wireless setups... but never a wired client
[09:49] <techlord-work> check your deafult route
[09:49] <techlord-work> gateway
[09:55] <ztonzy> :)
[09:55] <ztonzy> Riddell, works fine here :)
[09:55] <dimmak> route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS> eth0
[09:55] <dimmak> :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-)
[09:55] <dimmak> thank you so much
[09:56] <dimmak> i don't know what borked it
[09:56] <dimmak> but that sure as hell fixed it
[09:56] <dimmak> time to enjoy the relieft and upgrade my packages
[10:00] <techlord-work> just for it can get borked again LOL
[10:01] <dimmak> yep
[10:02] <dimmak> and then find a new way to fix it
[10:05] <Riddell> ztonzy: groovy
[10:06] <ztonzy> Riddell, yes...it even detected that my usb device (digicam) had images on it :)  and if I wanted to import them
[10:06] <techlord-work> i can't get kubuntu to see my built in sd card reader
[10:06] <ztonzy> Riddell, maybe Kubuntu RC live cd is better than the Kubuntu Live CD I burned from 'curren't better ??
[10:07] <Riddell> ztonzy: much the same, current is a few hours later
[10:11] <ztonzy> Riddell, but this was before you announced "RC" (that I burned 'current')
[10:11] <ztonzy> Riddell, so was something added during the last hours ?
[10:18] <Riddell> ztonzy: RC is the daily build 20050330, 20050330.1 is the normal daily build
[10:19] <ztonzy> Riddell, ok
[10:22] <ztonzy> Riddell, gnome 2.10 seems nice
[10:22] <Riddell> ztonzy: hmm?  you sure you downloaded the right CD?
[10:23] <techlord-work> that's what i was thinking
[10:25] <ztonzy> Riddell, hehe :)
[10:25] <ztonzy> yes....
[10:26] <ztonzy> Riddell, I was supposed to test the Ubuntu live CD first to see if it worked...then try latest Kubuntu live CD (RC?)
[10:40] <ztonzy_> hehe
[10:40] <ztonzy_> even installed java in the ram :)
[10:41] <ztonzy_> works nice
[11:02] <ztonzy> brb
[11:15] <Xira> How do I reset the Kubuntu theme settings so I get the theme I got when I logged in for the first time?
[11:17] <Xira> Anyone
[11:17] <Xira> ?
[11:18] <motaboy> Xira: the widgets style?
[11:18] <Xira> Well
[11:18] <Xira> Like
[11:18] <randabis> Xira, install kubuntu-default-settings
[11:18] <Xira> The panel, window theme etc
[11:19] <Xira> apt-get kubuntu-default-settings ?
[11:19] <motaboy> Xira: in the control center.
[11:19] <randabis> apt-get install kubuntu-default-settings
[11:19] <delltony> hey guys and any ladys if here
[11:19] <randabis> if it says it is already installed, then reinstall it
[11:19] <Xira> kubuntu-default-settings is already the newest version.
[11:20] <Xira> apt-get remove kubuntu-default settings && apt-get install kubuntu-default-settings
[11:20] <Xira> ?
[11:20] <randabis> I suppose that is one way to do it
[11:20] <Xira> how else?
[11:22] <randabis> apt-get --reinstall kubuntu-default-settings
[11:23] <Xira> root@evermore:/# apt-get --reinstall kubuntu-default-settings
[11:23] <Xira> E: Invalid operation kubuntu-default-settings
[11:23] <randabis> add install after --reinstall
[11:23] <randabis> my bad
[11:24] <randabis> apt-get --reinstall install kubuntu-default-settings
[11:24] <Xira> k
[11:24] <Xira> brb
[11:28] <ztonzy> night


 The chair is barry.
[15:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:02] <barry> hello and welcome everyone to the ameu launchpad reviewers meeting
[15:02] <barry> who's here today?
[15:02] <sinzui> me
[15:02] <statik> me
[15:02] <bac> me
[15:02] <intellectronica> me
[15:02] <bigjools> me
[15:02] <gmb> me
[15:02] <gmb> (sprinting)
[15:02] <allenap> me
[15:02] <BjornT> me (at least partly)
[15:03] <bigjools> which part? :)
[15:03] <danilos> me
[15:04] <barry> flacoste, schwuk ping?
[15:04] <flacoste> me
[15:04] <schwuk> me
[15:04] <barry> [TOPIC] agenda
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[15:04] <barry>  * Roll call
[15:04] <barry>  * Next meeting
[15:04] <barry>  * Action items
[15:04] <barry>  * Queue status
[15:04] <barry>  * Mentoring update
[15:04] <barry>    * jtv graduates
[15:04] <barry>    * schwuk to be mentored by sinzui
[15:04] <barry>  * Review process
[15:04] <barry>    * Tool update
[15:04] <barry>    * Release-critical review (flacoste)
[15:04] <barry> [TOPIC] next meeting
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  next meeting
[15:04] <barry> same time, week += 1?
[15:05] <barry> anybody know they can't make it?
[15:05] <bigjools> me
[15:05] <bigjools> I will be on leave
[15:05] <barry> actually, it's possible i might be late.  i have a meeting at my son's school an hour before that
[15:05] <barry> bigjools: cool
[15:05] <barry> i might ask someone else to chair it just in case the meeting goes long
[15:05] <schwuk> I'll be in leave as well
[15:06] <barry> schwuk: cool
[15:06] <schwuk> s/in/on/
[15:06] <barry> [TOPIC] action items
[15:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  action items
[15:06] <barry>  * intellectronica to put cover letter draft on wiki
[15:06] <intellectronica> ehm
[15:06] <barry> :)
[15:07] <intellectronica> didn't, i suck
[15:07] <barry> we'll just carry it over then
[15:07] <barry>  * (continued) gmb to work on the review web site
[15:07] <barry> this topic came up on the asiapac meeting
[15:08] <barry> thumper has thoughts about using launchpad to help kill off PR and not spending a lot of extra time on a separate project
[15:08] <barry> thumper is going to write his thoughts up on the wiki
[15:08] <gmb> Well I haven't had a lot of time to spend, so that's fine with me ;)
[15:08] <barry> gmb: have you gotten a chance to look at review-board?
[15:09] <gmb> barry: No, as I'm sprinting this week without a hotel internet connection :(. But I will as soon as I get chance.
[15:09] <barry> i wonder if we could do something quick and dirty, like bring that up on devpad while we wait for uber-reviews on lp
[15:09] <barry> i read the article but haven't had time to grab the code and fire it up
[15:10] <gmb> I wonder how easy it would be to get lp-review working with it...
[15:10] <barry> does anybody else have thoughts on using review-board in the short term?
[15:10] <barry> gmb: that, and bzr
[15:10] <gmb> Yes.
[15:10] <statik> the tricky thing with review-board is getting it to accept our diffs
[15:10] <statik> I never finished adding bzr support to review-board
[15:10] <statik> due to lack of time
[15:11] <barry> statik: did it seem like a lot of work?
[15:11] <statik> it shouldn't be that hard, but it's more time than I have right now
[15:11] <statik> the devs would be happy to get a patch for that
[15:11] <BjornT> is review-board web-only, or can you access it via a command line tool, or e-mail?
[15:11] <statik> no email (well, notifications I think)
[15:11] <statik> web and rest api
[15:12] <statik> but the review itself is done by clicking in ajaxy things in the web ui
[15:12] <BjornT> then it gets a big -1 from me. i don't want to use a browser to do reviews
[15:12] <flacoste> -1
[15:13] <flacoste> same here
[15:13] <sinzui> -1
[15:13] <flacoste> review-board doesn't solve the PendingReviews problem at all
[15:13]  * sinzui likes his tools
[15:13] <barry> ok, then let's not waste any more time on it
[15:13] <barry> thanks for the feedback!
[15:13] <barry>  * (continued) sinzui to look into running `make lint` and output PR stanza by default in `review-submit`
[15:14] <sinzui> barry: I have not...I completely forgot.
[15:14]  * sinzui sets a todo
[15:14] <barry> sinzui: np, thanks
[15:14] <barry> [TOPIC] queue status
[15:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  queue status
[15:14] <barry> i know we had a ton of branches while the sprints were happening last week.  thanks everyone for working hard to clear the backlog!
[15:15] <barry> there's still a lot of pink in pending-reviews, but i think we'll catch up
[15:15] <barry> anybody have any comments on the queue?
[15:16] <barry> how have on-calls gone this week?  any comments on that?
[15:16] <barry> 5
[15:16] <bac> yesterday was fine.  didn't have much on-call traffic so i caught up on PR reviews
[15:16] <jtv> For which we thank bac
[15:16] <bigjools> I think a couple of sprints have reduced on-call significantly
[15:17] <barry> indeed, thanks bac!
[15:17] <bigjools> we should consider having backup reviewers on-call
[15:17] <gmb> It wouldn't have been so bad, but most of the remaining reviewers were mentees :/
[15:17] <bigjools> indeed
[15:18] <barry> yep
[15:18] <bigjools> I dread putting something on PR and wondering when it will get reviewed!
[15:19] <barry> bigjools: PR needn't be post-and-forget.  even if you have a branch on PR, you can still ping an on-caller if they're available, or your reviewer if need be
[15:20] <barry> but yeah, if we have more branches than cycles to review them, we need more reviewers or fewer branches
[15:20] <bigjools> barry: I can but with timezone issues plus a lack of on-call reviewer it makes it harder
[15:20] <barry> bigjools: yep
[15:20] <jtv> Could we also ping the on-call and say "have a branch for me?"
[15:21] <barry> jtv: you mean if you have spare cycles to review stuff?
[15:21] <jtv> barry: right
[15:21] <barry> jtv: you have spare cycles?! :)
[15:21] <bac> jtv: grand idea
[15:21] <jtv> barry: no, but I do get pangs of guilt sometimes
[15:22]  * bigjools has an 800-line soyuz branch waiting for someone just like jtv :)
[15:22] <barry> jtv: ah yes, guilt can overcome oppressively stressful overworking sometimes :)
[15:23] <jtv> bigjools: jtv is currently reviewing a 2000-line one
[15:23] <bigjools> !
[15:23] <barry> :-o
[15:23]  * bac remembers when 2000+ was the norm...  :(
[15:23] <barry> moving on?
[15:23] <barry> 5
[15:23] <barry> 4
[15:24] <barry> 3
[15:24] <barry> 2
[15:24] <barry> 1
[15:24] <barry> [TOPIC] mentor updates
[15:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  mentor updates
[15:24] <barry> first off: congratulations jtv on graduating
[15:24]  * jtv bows
[15:24] <barry> give all your 2000+ branches to him :)
[15:24]  * jtv runs
[15:25] <barry> also, welcome schwuk who is joining the team, mentored by sinzui
[15:25] <barry> thanks sinzui for volunteering to mentor schwuk
[15:25]  * bigjools high-fives schwuk
[15:25]  * schwuk starts to wonder what he's let himself in for
[15:25] <barry> where "volunteering" means "allowing himself to be volunteered by barry" :)
[15:26] <barry> [TOPIC] review process
[15:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  review process
[15:26] <barry>    * Tool update
[15:26] <barry> jtv: weren't you having some trouble with lpreviews?  did that get cleared up?
[15:27] <jtv> barry: it did, thanks.
[15:27] <barry> jtv: great!
[15:27] <jtv> barry: provider may have been guilty.
[15:27] <barry> jtv: you mean your isp?
[15:28] <jtv> barry: yes.
[15:28] <barry> jtv: glad it's working now.
[15:28] <barry> anybody have anything else to discuss on the tool?
[15:29] <barry> 5
[15:29] <barry> 4
[15:29] <barry> 3
[15:29] <barry> 2
[15:29] <barry> 1
[15:29] <barry>    * Release-critical review (flacoste)
[15:29] <barry> flacoste: the floor is yours
[15:29] <flacoste> ok, this is about clarifying the process around release-critical reviews
[15:29] <flacoste> the process should be this:
[15:30] <flacoste> 1- when submitting a RC branch for review, make sure that the reviewer is aware that this is a RC branch
[15:30] <flacoste> 2- if you cannot complete the RC review, make sure that there is someone assigned to complete the review before you leave
[15:30] <flacoste> this means talking to another available reviewer that will do the job once you leave
[15:31] <flacoste> we probably need to make the whole team aware of (1)
[15:31] <flacoste> any comments?
[15:32] <bigjools> sounds good to me
[15:32] <barry> +1.  flacoste, can you capture this on a wiki page?
[15:33] <flacoste> barry: i can send an email to the list about this, and I'll let you find a proper place to put that on the wiki
[15:33] <flacoste> how does that sound?
[15:33] <barry> flacoste: +1
[15:33] <barry> [ACTION] flacoste to email RC review policy to list
[15:33] <MootBot> ACTION received:  flacoste to email RC review policy to list
[15:33] <barry> [ACTION] barry to capture RC review policy in a wiki page
[15:33] <MootBot> ACTION received:  barry to capture RC review policy in a wiki page
[15:34] <barry> flacoste: done?
[15:34] <flacoste> yep
[15:34] <barry> flacoste: thanks
[15:34] <barry> that's it for the agenda.  we have 10 minute left if anybody has anything else
[15:35] <barry> otherwise we can end early!
[15:35] <barry> 5
[15:35] <barry> 4
[15:35] <barry> 3
[15:36] <barry> 2
[15:36] <barry> 1
[15:36] <barry> #endmeeting
[15:36] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 15:36.
[15:36] <barry> thanks everyone!
[15:36] <bigjools> cheers barry
[15:36] <jtv> thanks barry


[06:41] <JackYu> stgraber: the announcement of ubuntukylin could be set to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuKylin/1304-beta-1-ReleaseNote
[20:40] <tette> ola


[02:08] <einfeldt> I guess there is no meeting today.
[02:15] <elky> no, was last week and next week, per meeting page
[02:40] <einfeldt> Thx
[14:36] <nhaines> Well, Kerbal Spae Program 1.0 comes out today, probably within the next hour or two.  So... hold all my calls.
[16:04] <pleia2> hehe
[19:12] <ianorlin> hmm I should probably change the topic
[22:20] <blitz> I have a 87GB log file, whats the smartest way to pipe the last 100,000 lines of it to another file
[22:20] <blitz> tail -n 100000 file > file2 ??
[22:21] <akk> That's what I would do.
[22:23] <blitz> I remember last time that doing it in place was impossible
[22:27] <blitz> whoops wrong channel
[23:11] <pleia2> upgraded wordpress on the team site for the zero-day that came out today, all is well
[23:32] <ianorlin> thanks pleia2
[23:48] <pleia2> https://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/17293029342/
[23:48] <darthrobot> Title: [Jessie party hats and notes | Flickr - Photo Sharing!]
[23:48] <pleia2> :D :D
[23:48] <pleia2> still firming up plans (planning on announcing tomorrow), but hope to do release-themed dinner at the debian dinner coming up on the 13th
[23:49] <pleia2> pretty sure I just figured out why I was unpopular in high school
[23:49] <pleia2> (I kid, I've known for years)


 Bro, this flex is real
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/D3jMHYqH.png
 Is it possible to implement art android runtime in Ubuntu touch for android apps rather than using anbox?
[02:40] <ubptgbot> PanosMaul86 was added by: PanosMaul86
 @bhuvaneshduvvuri [Is it possible to implement art android runtime in Ubuntu touch for android apps …], I might be wrong but The ART is a Java virtual machine. And many android apps have malicious code. So, I don't think it's a good idea, unless are open like the Fdroid apps
 As someone said me, android apps are built to work in android
 It's better to do apps from scratch to work in the sistem that you want as a target.
 [Edit] It's better to do apps from scratch to work in the system that you want as a target.
 If the those java apps would have a qml version, yes, it would be easier to implement.
 @bhuvaneshduvvuri [Is it possible to implement art android runtime in Ubuntu touch for android apps …], I believe apps needs more than the just the runtime to work correctly
 `vendor.dataqti` keeps crashing, does anyone know why this could be? … https://del.dog/ullunymojo.txt
[06:42] <ubptgbot> Harig99 was added by: Harig99
 Hs
 Hi
 Heyy
 Hello and welcome
[07:49] <ubptgbot> Someone Not Important was added by: Someone Not Important
[07:55] <ubptgbot> Ben was added by: Ben
 Hey
 Hi, i heard a lot  good about Ubuntu Touch and want to try it. In my region sells someone a nexus 5 with crdroid installed. Do you know, if UT installs fine in it?
 @TacoBarz [It's better to do apps from scratch to work in the system that you want as a tar …], I wonder how Blackberry added their android app support back in the BlackBerry 10 days
 Hello
 @Ben [Hi, i heard a lot  good about Ubuntu Touch and want to try it. In my region sell …], yes, nexus 5 is one of the supprted devices and it has good availabblity
 @Javacookies [yes, nexus 5 is one of the supprted devices and it has good availabblity], So its no problem to installiert from non stock Android phone?
 @Ben [So its no problem to installiert from non stock Android phone?], UT expects the standard partition layout (and maybe other stuff). It is likely best install the OEM android before the UT install. (It should be possible to google that for the nexus range.)
 @Ben [So its no problem to installiert from non stock Android phone?], [Edit] UT expects the standard partition layout (and maybe other stuff). It is likely best to install the OEM android before the UT install. (It should be possible to google that for the nexus range.)
 @alan_griffiths [UT expects the standard partition layout (and maybe other stuff). It is likely b …], Okay, thanks.
[09:07] <ubptgbot> Christopher Housley was added by: Christopher Housley
 And It's better to install the last android version (6.x)  available from google for N5. … it's here: https://developers.google.com/android/images
[09:59] <ubptgbot> <Someone Not Important> would this be the correct place to inquire about SDK installation ? I can not find a version for Ubuntu 18.4 , please.
 SDK is no longer maintained.
 [Edit] Ubuntu Touch SDK is no longer maintained.
 If you search a tool to build app look at https://clickable-ut.dev/en/latest/
[10:12] <ubptgbot> <Someone Not Important> Thanks
 @Sir_Goose_1 [I wonder how Blackberry added their android app support back in the BlackBerry 1 …], Didn't Blackberry pretty much ship android?
 @Fuseteam [Didn't Blackberry pretty much ship android?], Yeah, that was android
 blackberry 10 is 4.4.2 iirc
 Sneaky marketing lol
 Like lineage 16 is andorid 9 lol
 [Edit] Like lineage 16 is andorid 9 kek
 lol true
 Hi
 Any info if OPO going to be ported to halium 7 or 9?
 Thx for the tips to get my install running. Just bought a Nexus 5 and try to install at the weekend
[12:35] <ubptgbot> rbnyellow was added by: rbnyellow
 Hello. I am looking forward on opening a YouTube channel and over their I wanna reach out to people about Ubuntu touch in my first video. Who among the community is like senior with whome I can do an interaction as a part of video
 @mrmechanic3000 [Hello. I am looking forward on opening a YouTube channel and over their I wanna …], what type of interaction are you looking to do?
 Over Skype/Google-meet regarding different features, possibilities and ways to come into either development or day to day usage of Ubuntu touch
 something similar to our Q&A's then?
 so an interview regarding the user experience on ubuntu touch?
 Hello everyone, I'm trying to install Ubuntu touch on my Nexus 5 but it loses connection at the last step all the times. I'm using the new USB cable that was sent with the device.I really don't know what to do. The other thing bothering me is that I cannot remove the battery to turn the phone off when I have a problem.
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 @Rebecca58 [Hello everyone, I'm trying to install Ubuntu touch on my Nexus 5 but it loses co …], Press & hold on the power button for like 10-15 seconds and the phone will power off
 Yes it does but then back to the Google text and the lock logo.
 @Rebecca58 [Yes it does but then back to the Google text and the lock logo.], hold power+voldn to get to fastboot mode
 @Rebecca58 [Yes it does but then back to the Google text and the lock logo.], From there you can also power it down
 But disconnect the cable first
 @Flohack [But disconnect the cable first], Can you tell me how to turn it down from the Google screen?
 turn it down?
 Oh crap I didn't root my phone before trying to install Ubuntu touch. It's that a problem?
 @Fuseteam [turn it down?], We'll it's stuck on the Google logo.
 press and hold power button doesn't work to turn it off?
 or do you mean something else?
 @Rebecca58 [Oh crap I didn't root my phone before trying to install Ubuntu touch. It's that …], no
 @Fuseteam [or do you mean something else?], It doesn't work indeed. And the down button + power button only bring me back to the Google logo. Probably because I didn't unplug the usb cable before rebooting
 @dohbee [no], Ooooh thank God!
 anyway you should still be able to get to fastboot and flash OEM android too if needed
 or maybe the power button is failing. hard to know from here
[15:30] <ubptgbot> Fr4nk71 was added by: Fr4nk71
 @Rebecca58 [It doesn't work indeed. And the down button + power button only bring me back to …], then you do it wrong, you have to press and hold until it vibrates, and then only release power, keep vol button (up for recovery, down for fastboot) pressed. You want to go to fastboot / bootloader mode, since that is the one guaranteed to wo
[15:37] <ubptgbot> rk.
 Also, please join our welcomeplus room for installation help
 Hello guys, I recently traveled by car from Germany to Italy vire Austria using both Unav and Puremaps. I notissed that with OAT 12 the gps localization is slow. I passed every exit before the signed it. I'm on a nexus 5. Anyone with experience like that?
 woah, unity8(lomiri) code is preserved in the arctic now
 (Photo, 1040x570) https://irc.ubports.com/G1G5Bv0d.png
 @TobiasSchimpf [Hello guys, I recently traveled by car from Germany to Italy vire Austria using …], I use it mostly in France. First fix could be long but when it is done I have no pb on the road. FP2.
 @mateosalta [woah, unity8(lomiri) code is preserved in the arctic now], What does it mean ?
 not much
 @Ern_st [What does it mean ?], https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/github-data-repository-preserved-in-arctic-code-vault-built-to-last-a-thousand-years
 @Ern_st [What does it mean ?], time capsule type of stuff
 Ok thanks
 @Flohack [Also, please join our welcomeplus room for installation help], Can i have the link please?
 @WelcomePlus
[18:14] <ubptgbot> <Frédéric SIEBERT> Little question about pinephone. I can't disable (turn off) the Bluetooth.  Is the problem known?
 yes, that is a long standing known issue. It'll get fixed for sure don't worry ☺
[18:21] <ubptgbot> <Frédéric SIEBERT> No problem I know that ubports for pinephone is in developpement. Thanks for the answer.
 i have a question, i saw pinephone can use desktop mode with an external display, it automatically works? it works with any adapter?
[18:30] <ubptgbot> <Frédéric SIEBERT> I'm not sure but recently I've seen on pinestore an Hardware for convergence with postmarketos. Maybe run with ubports?
[18:47] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/P481fgHl.png
[18:47] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> "Hide adult-oriented content". Are there any X-rated apps in OpenStore ??? 😄
 At least there was - and displayed quite prominently which, iirc led to this button
 @Fran [i have a question, i saw pinephone can use desktop mode with an external display …], yes but current editions have a hardware issue which prevents video out to work. There's a workaround but you'll have to do it by hand. Also, I haven't seen anyone tried it with UT I can't confirm if it works on UT on the pinephone. It does wor
[18:53] <ubptgbot> k on other devices though such as Nexus 5 and 7(2013)
 aha ok thanks, i will wait then
[19:00] <slvr> does the workaround need new parts soldered back in? I see people saying to remove two chips, but the only video includes adding two new ones.
 it seems that removing them is enough but I'm not sure what replacing them means
 @mark alexa ["Hide adult-oriented content". Are there any X-rated apps in OpenStore ??? 😄], It might be Filosofical, Science related like  Nietzsche or Froid. I like Issac Asimov stuff, even Snowden can be adult related stuff
 what?
 lol
 it's a button that just turns the screen off forever
[19:39] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> @dohbee [it's a button that just turns the screen off forever], What ??? Didn't happened !
[19:39] <ubptgbot> <mark alexa> XD
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 Hi I want to install ubuntu touch in my samsung tab a 2019. … Any can help me?
 it is not a supported device
 @umang [Hi I want to install ubuntu touch in my samsung tab a 2019. … Any can help me?], Get yourself a nexus 5
 So can i do it with halium port?
 @umang [So can i do it with halium port?], net on tour samsung
 @umang [So can i do it with halium port?], theoretically yes; every device must have its own port built
 Is there a cli command to make the phone so a system update? It says it's downloaded, but the `restart and install` button does nothing
 On my opo
 [Edit] Is there a cli command to make the phone do a system update? It says it's downloaded, but the restart and install button does nothing
 [Edit] Is there a cli command to make the phone do a system update? It says it's downloaded, but the `restart and install` button does nothing
 just reboot?
 Hey, I just got a UBports CE PinePhone, and OpenStore isn't working for me. … Store opens, but it never populated.
 [Edit] Hey, I just got a UBports CE PinePhone, and OpenStore isn't working for me. … Store opens, but it's never populated.
 @zoomer296 [Hey, I just got a UBports CE PinePhone, and OpenStore isn't working for me. … Sto …], are you connected to wifi or cell data?
 @dohbee [just reboot?], Nope tried that. I suppose it needs a syntax or instruction to go into recovery, in update mode
 @dohbee [are you connected to wifi or cell data?], Tried under both, browser works on both.
 should be working then. is the time correct on your phone? maybe it's wrong and causing TLS validation to fail
 Time was correct.  … It just started working for seemingly no reason though.
 Things fixing themselves before a diagnosis can be made always annoys me more than things staying broken.
 @mark alexa ["Hide adult-oriented content". Are there any X-rated apps in OpenStore ??? 😄], nope, terms were changed not to allow, but I'm sure some semi controversial but not banned things might be hidden under that catagory