[00:03] <tumbleweed> bdrung_: yes. no, not so mad about that
[00:05] <bdrung_> \o/ finally i can build audacity for unstable.
[00:08] <bdrung_> tumbleweed: thank you very much for the man page
[00:09] <tumbleweed> bdrung_: np
[00:11] <bdrung_> tumbleweed: what needs to be done for 'But there is a production-related bug: translate_web_api seems to require "staging" or "web" in the URL.'?
[00:13] <tumbleweed> bdrung_: I haven't looked into it properly yet, but translate_web_api looks like it expects either staging or edge, whoops not web
[00:25] <bdrung_> tumbleweed: does hugdaylist 0.101 work?
[00:29] <tumbleweed> bdrung_: yes, although it requires a .edge. URL (and only seems to support a very limited subset of lp buglist URLs)
[00:30] <bdrung_> tumbleweed: can we set edge for hugdaylist?
[00:30] <tumbleweed> bugs.e.l.n/ubuntu/+source/foo seems to work
[00:31] <tumbleweed> bdrung_: manage-credentials and massfile use that function too, so someone should probably work out what it does and fix it :)
[00:32] <bdrung_> tumbleweed: where is this function?
[00:32] <tumbleweed> ubuntutools/lp/libsupport.py
[00:33] <tumbleweed> I mean it's a simple enough function, I just haven't read everything that calls it (to find out why it does the checks it does)
[00:33] <bdrung_> tumbleweed: the fix seems trivial
[00:34] <tumbleweed> bdrung_: it should be, yes
[00:35] <bdrung_> tumbleweed: try this patch: http://pastebin.com/uSfB7F2L
[00:37] <tumbleweed> bdrung_: production URLs don't contain .production. (it doesn't work)
[00:38] <ari-tczew> if package is FTBFS and
[00:38] <ari-tczew> Debian has got a new version (includes new upstream release) and Debian package built fine, it's require a FFe?
[00:38] <ari-tczew> for sync
[00:38] <bdrung_> tumbleweed: let's ask for help in #launchpad
[00:39] <bdrung_> ari-tczew: main or universe?
[00:39] <ari-tczew> bdrung_: universe
[00:40] <bdrung_> ari-tczew: if it introduces new features, yes.
[00:43] <ScottK> ari-tczew: As bdrung_ says.  If it fixes FTBFS, then that will be a factor making it more likely to get approved.
[00:43] <ari-tczew> ok thanks ScottK and bdrung_
[00:44] <bdrung_> i should go to bed. i have closed the wrong bug in d/changelog
[00:47] <bdrung_> DktrKranz: u-d-t 0.103 is ready for upload once ubuntutools/lp/libsupport.py supports the production API in translate_web_api()
[00:47] <bdrung_> who wrote translate_web_api?
[00:52] <ari-tczew> I've uploaded a patch into bzr. do I need to run next command to build a package in maverick universe?
[00:53] <tumbleweed> bdrung_: bzr blame says jpds. This works: http://pastebin.com/vL2tUdxf
[00:56] <bdrung_> tumbleweed: what value has netloc on production?
[00:57] <tumbleweed> bdrung_: netloc = hostname (so bugs.launchpad.net)
[00:58] <bdrung_> tumbleweed: and launchpad._root_uri?
[00:58] <tumbleweed> https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/
[00:59] <bdrung_> tumbleweed: let's talk to the launchpad guys
[02:45] <kklimonda> hmm, why do some libraries add a -x.0 after name? like libgtk-x11-2.0.so or libcouchdb-glib-1.0?
[02:47] <persia> kklimonda, Hrm?  Could you be more verbose?
[02:47] <persia> My quick guess would be to allow libgtk-x11-2.1 to be installed in parallel.
[02:48] <kklimonda> persia: what is the point of adding a version of the library to its name
[02:48] <kklimonda> persia: it's what the version after .so is for, isn't it?
[02:48] <persia> Right, but different namespace.
[02:48] <kklimonda> you can have libgtk-x11.so.1 and libgtk-x11.so.2
[02:48] <persia> There's packaging namespace and filesystem namespace.
[02:48] <ajmitch> http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html#naminglibpkg has some extra info in it
[02:48] <persia> (or libgtk-x11.so.2.1)
[02:49] <persia> ajmitch, Doesn't that just suggest naming the package to match upstream's SONAME choice?
[02:49] <kklimonda> persia: what namespace are you talking about?
[02:49] <ajmitch> persia: yes, in this case it is an upstream thing
[02:50] <persia> I'm unsure if it's a "bug", but yeah.
[02:50] <ajmitch> where they've decided to have some versioning in the library name
[02:50] <kklimonda> and the reason for it is.. ? :)
[02:51] <persia> kklimonda, So, lets assume we want to install libgtk-x11.  Let's further assume that we want to install two different versions.  Lastly, let's assume that for convenience sake, we want to have two different source packages (as the sources are wildly different).  How else do we manage this?
[02:51] <ajmitch> a way to show that two libraries are different in API as well as ABI?
[02:51] <persia> I think the reason upstream does this sort of thing is because upstream is thinking about packaging, rather than being normal upstream.
[02:51] <ajmitch> gtk+ 1.2 & 2.0 are quite different, so they name them differently
[02:52] <kklimonda> but from their perspective just using so.1.0 and so.2.0 would be enough - I agree that it would make it harder for package them in a sane way probably.
[02:53] <kklimonda> persia: source packages could be still gtk+2.0 and gtk+3.0 so the question would be how to name libgtk so it's clear what version they are.
[02:53] <persia> Right, so upstreams that do a lot of packaging sometimes do it the other way.  It's an upstream bug, but one we're not usually unhappy about them not fixing.
[02:54] <ajmitch> you can only have one .so symlink though
[02:54] <persia> kklimonda, true.  Feel free to fix the issues, if you have a clean solution.  Just make sure the fix works for all the downstreams of the upstream :)
[02:55] <kklimonda> persia: nah, I was just curious why is it done this way. Now I see some good reasons for doing it.
[02:55] <ajmitch> this is also a way to be able to build against multiple versions of the library on the system
[02:55] <persia> Which is critical if we wish to support multiple versions simultaneously.  We try to avoid that, but it's a massive amount of porting in some cases, and doesn't happen within a release cycle.
[02:56] <ajmitch> probably why gtk+ is the example being used
[02:56] <lifeless> did we just port the ud discussion here?:P
[02:56] <ajmitch> lifeless: not quite :)
[03:01] <persia> lifeless, The answers are similar.  The initial question was different :)
[03:02] <lifeless> 42Q
[03:02] <kklimonda> :)
[03:03]  * ajmitch hopes we haven't caused any heads to explode in here
[03:11] <ScottK> No.  Trying to figure out why you volunteered for ARB hurt my head more.
[05:59] <SpamapS> ScottK: around?
[06:03] <persia> SpamapS, timezone suggests it's getting rather late there
[06:03] <SpamapS> indeed
[06:03] <SpamapS> we're all a bit ghoulish though, aren't we?
[06:03] <persia> No.  Lots of folks who get up early and tuck in by 21:00 local around as well.
[06:20] <fabrice_sp> anyone has an idea why this FTBFS: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fso-usaged/<IP_ADDRESS>+git20100507-1/+build/1745783 Everything is ok, and build successful....
[06:25] <kklimonda> fabrice_sp: Function `dbus_ipeer_dbus_proxy_new' implicitly converted to pointer at resource.c:1220
[06:26] <kklimonda> fabrice_sp: missing prototype probably.
[06:27] <kklimonda> it probably doesn't fail on i386 because this isn't fatal there but may be (or always is?) fatal on 64bit architecture
[06:32] <fabrice_sp> kklimonda, isn't it only a warning? What bugs me is that the build ends successfully but still appears as a FTBFS
[06:34] <persia> fabrice_sp, It's unsafe: at runtime, it may or may not crash, depending on environmental factors: You need to make sure your pointers are safe for 64-bit.
[06:34] <kklimonda> fabrice_sp: as I said, it's a potential error on amd64 and builder detects it and, as a result, fails a build
[06:35] <persia> On amd64, there's a chance it will work, but it will probably crash for most folk.  On other 64-bit architectures, it will almost certainly crash.
[06:36] <fabrice_sp> kklimonda, can you point me where in the build log it fails? I can't see it...
[06:36] <kklimonda> fabrice_sp: at the bottom of the log there is a message from builder :)
[06:36] <kklimonda> fabrice_sp: "Our automated build log filter detected the problem(s) above that will
[06:36] <kklimonda> likely cause your package to segfault on architectures where the size of
[06:36] <kklimonda> a pointer is greater than the size of an integer, such as ia64 and amd64"
[06:36] <fabrice_sp> ohhhhh
[06:36]  * fabrice_sp shouldn't work on FTBFS so early....
[06:37] <fabrice_sp> thanks! will have a look at this error later, then
[06:49] <persia> The other option is to only support i386/armel/powerpc, but some folk would be annoyed by that :)
[07:47] <Rhonda> The shadow for the headline lettering on planet ubuntu is really disturbing, frankly spoken. Whom to bug about potentially have that shadow not *that* far moved off?
[07:52] <Rhonda> 0.1em is a bit much for the bigger fonts.
[07:52] <persia> Probably email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and hunt someone in #canonical-sysadmin
[07:53] <persia> You might find a useful tweakable in lp:~planet-ubuntu/config/main or lp:ubuntu-drupal-planet which you'd want to tweak first.
[07:54] <persia> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-drupal-devs/+members is a list of people to ask for commit if you have to change the latter
[10:41] <RainCT> hey dapal :)
[10:41] <dapal> RainCT: hey :)
[10:41] <dapal> RainCT: uhm, I should be sponsoring another thing from you..
[10:41] <dapal> RainCT: was that gnome-a-j ?
[10:42] <RainCT> dapal: Yup.
[10:42] <dapal> ack :)
[10:42] <dapal> fixed the 403? :P
[10:43] <RainCT> Yes
[11:21] <Riddell> tumbleweed: ping
[11:21] <Riddell> tumbleweed: why is bug 638879 reported on dgen but about ora2pg ?
[11:39] <Riddell> bdrung_: on bug 644667 you subscribed ubuntu-archive but the bug isn't confirmed
[11:40] <bdrung_> Riddell: Jonathan subscribed ubuntu-archive. you can unsubscribe ubuntu-archive until we get an ACK from ubuntu-release
[11:46] <Riddell> bdrung_: thanks done
[11:58] <tumbleweed> Riddell: wtf? no clue how that happened.
[12:00] <tumbleweed> bdrung_: I presume you saw my u-d-t fix. It's pretty much the same as the original.
[12:01] <Riddell> tumbleweed: so it's ora2pg to be removed and nothing done with dgen?
[12:02] <tumbleweed> Riddell: correct
[12:09] <Riddell> tumbleweed: done
[12:09] <bdrung_> tumbleweed: can you please check if staging still works?
[12:10] <bdrung_> tumbleweed: the if statement seems to inverted (was: if not (staging or edge), but now it's: if staging or edge)
[12:12] <tumbleweed> bdrung_: staging works. the check was to see that both URL and the launchpad instance were pointing at the same service (staging or edge) the problem with adding production is that you get hostnames like bugs.launchpad.net and edge.launchpad.net
[12:21] <micahg> if Debian has an foo-x | foo (> y) , and we don't have foo-x, we don't need to remove it from the depends list right, as long as foo (>y) will be fulfilled?
[12:21] <geser> correct
[12:21] <micahg> k, yay! I can get rid of another merge :)
[12:22] <micahg> I guess it made sense for Lucid since the upgrades might have been confused
[14:05] <ari-tczew> I'm sad due to watching it: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgdchart-gd2/0.11.5-7
[14:05] <ari-tczew> new MOTU member didn't test build before uploading :(
[14:06] <Laney> Also used syncpackage pointlessly.
[14:08] <ari-tczew> Laney: do we should warn Bhavani to avoid these cases in future?
[14:09] <mr_pouit> it's just a cdbs issue
[14:10] <Laney> ari-tczew: A gentle reminder might be a good idea. And this should be fixed.
[14:10] <Laney> mr_pouit: It doesn't matter what the issue is, packages should be tested before upload.
[14:10] <mr_pouit> maybe you should ask him *before* blaming him, don't you think?
[14:10] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: ^^
[14:11] <micahg> +1
[14:11] <Laney> I tested it myself :)
[14:11] <Laney> but I don't think anyone is being overly critical here
[14:11] <ari-tczew> everyone don't blaming him
[14:13] <directhex> can i blame someone? i do so enjoy blaming people for things
[14:13] <sistpoty|work> directhex: blame me, I can live with it :P
[14:14] <ari-tczew> people are too sensitive...
[14:15] <ari-tczew> please don't make a suicide in future
[14:15] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: why are you pinging me?
[14:15] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: due to Bhavani's mistake
[14:15] <cjwatson> what do you want me to do about it?
[14:16] <ari-tczew> cjwatson: only information. you approved him with a review
[14:16] <mr_pouit> sigh
[14:16] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: if you think the DMB should be aware of something, please mail our list<EMAIL_ADDRESS>rather than speaking to individual DMB members
[14:17] <geser> ari-tczew: please collect this kind of data if you stumble upon it (and if he improves over time or not) and let the DMB know in January when we re-evaluate his MOTUship
[14:17] <cjwatson> ari-tczew: unless you expect me to remember something until January and to be able to accurately pass on the information to the rest of the DMB
[14:18] <cjwatson> in which case you have a greatly inflated opinion of my memory ;-)
[14:18] <Laney> where are approval mails sent these days?
[14:19] <cjwatson> for developer approvals?  devel-permissions, ubuntu-devel-announce
[14:19] <Laney> I see DMB minutes but not individual approvals like there once were
[14:19] <Laney> maybe on -permissions though, didn't look there
[14:19] <geser> in theory devel-permissions, but in practice it's only mentioned in the minutes :(
[14:20] <Laney> would be nice if the meeting log were attached, too (I think mootbot does this?)
[14:20] <Laney> or a link
[14:40] <ari-tczew> Laney: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/09/14/%23ubuntu-meeting.html
[14:40] <Laney> thanks
[14:45] <wgrant> An interesting meeting.
[14:45] <wgrant> (although I was 15, not 16)
[14:58] <bdrung_> DktrKranz: u-d-t 0.103 is ready for upload to experimental (and it's lintian clean).
[15:01] <directhex> does pull-debian-source work with the new rmadison?
[15:02] <DktrKranz> bdrung_: will have a look later
[15:03] <bdrung_> directhex: i ran "pull-debian-source mozilla-devscripts" and it worked
[15:03] <bdrung_> DktrKranz: it has man pages (thanks to tumbleweed) and some more bugs fixed
[15:03] <DktrKranz> nice
[17:09] <DktrKranz> bdrung_: looking at ubuntu-dev-tools right now, final OK to upload?
[17:10] <bdrung_> DktrKranz: yes (unless you want to fix something from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-dev-tools)
[17:11] <bdrung_> DktrKranz: the requestsync bug list is quite long: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-dev-tools?field.searchtext=requestsync
[17:12] <DktrKranz> I see
[17:15] <DktrKranz> bdrung_: uploading
[17:18] <bdrung_> DktrKranz: thanks
[17:19] <DktrKranz> bdrung_: from now on (well, not until projectb ACL table is updated), you can upload new revisions :)
[17:19] <bdrung_> :)
[17:21] <dandel> i have two bugs in backports that need some attention (64-bit issues)
[17:21] <DktrKranz> bdrung_: maybe FFe bug should be updated with latest changelog entry
[17:21] <dandel> also, i was redirected here from the ubuntu-bugs.
[17:25] <bdrung_> DktrKranz: done
[17:37] <geser> bdrung_: Hi, I've looked at some requestsync bugs and with some I don't have an idea what to do with them as they are not directly bugs in requestsync but only that requestsync doesn't catch the error if a LP API call fails.
[17:38] <geser> bug 531727, bug 528744 and bug 517866
[17:38] <geser> the first one could eventually be marked as duplicate of the one mentioned in my comment
[17:40] <bdrung_> geser: the fix would be to write a try...catch statement and tell the user what went wrong an give a propper formatted error message.
[17:48] <geser> yes, catching the error is easy but I'm not sure if just displaying the error message will be enough e.g. when an edited report gets lost and needs to be retyped
[17:49] <geser> and as the LP API doesn't fail often it's also hard to check if the fix realy fixes it
[17:50] <bdrung_> geser: depends on the situation where it fails. you can store the report or ask the user to retry.
[17:50] <dandel> bug 607505 and bug 585045 are in need of 64-bit testing packages (or in general updated packages)
[17:50] <bdrung_> dandel: vlc 1.1.4 is already there
[17:51] <dandel> it's not in the 64-bit repo tho
[17:51] <geser> bdrung_: will think about the bugs when I've some more free time again
[17:51] <dandel> bdrung_, anyways, these are backports requests.
[17:53] <bdrung_> dandel: i know. will ffmpeg 0.6 be backported? this would introduce new issues (for example audacity)
[17:54] <geser> bdrung_: do you know an easy way to check in python if a script is run with an UTF-8 locale? as that would allow to fix bug #553795
[17:55] <bdrung_> geser: no.
[17:55] <dandel> bdrung_, newer copies of vlc require ffmpeg 0.6 to enable hardware accelerated decoding
[17:56] <bdrung_> dandel: i have a patch at hand for backporting vlc without pulling other newer packages
[18:06] <DktrKranz> geser: something like python -c "import locale; print locale.getdefaultlocale()[1]" could be a start
[18:20] <neeraj> can I still file feature freeze exception?
[18:20] <neeraj> * for new upstream versons
[18:22] <bdrung_> neeraj: yes, but you have to provide a good reason for getting the exception
[18:23] <bdrung_> neeraj: main or universe package?
[18:23] <bdrung_> dandel: i gave my comment to the vlc backport
[18:25] <dandel> bdrung_, i use audacity and ffmpeg 0.6 and it has no issues.
[18:26] <bdrung_> dandel: try to use ffmpeg to export a file and you will see
[18:26] <bdrung_> dandel: i just fixed the problem with version 1.3.12-7 in maverick
[18:27] <neeraj> bdrung_: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-sugar-remix-meta (I think its main)
[18:27] <ScottK> It's not main.
[18:27] <bdrung_> neeraj: universe
[18:27] <bdrung_> neeraj: look at "Component"
[18:31] <lool> Hi folks
[18:32] <lool> Would an archive admin be so kind to look at syncing systemtap from experimental?  LP #645200 has the rationale
[18:32] <lool> basically the current version doesn't work wiht .35 kernels which is what we have in maverick; the new version is confirmed as fixed
[18:34] <sladen> if it's a case of the current functionality being non-existant (fundementally broken), but it seems a no-brainer to me since any upgrade is not going to be /worse/
[18:34] <lool> Yup
[18:35] <lool> apparently there was an incompatible change in the tracing interface of the kernel
[19:46] <jenkins> I am not able to get an answer from #ubuntu-packaging.I have a debian/copyright file but I am still getting the lithan tag "no-copyright-file" Any suggestions what could be causing it?
[20:15] <bdrung_> jenkins: can you show me the build log?
[20:16] <jenkins> bdrung_: the stuff in the terminal or is it a file that is generated?
[20:17] <bdrung_> jenkins: there will be a build log if you use debuild
[20:18] <jenkins> bdrung_: is this what you ment http://paste.ubuntu.com/498705/ ?
[20:19] <bdrung_> yes
[20:22] <bdrung_> jenkins: can you paste the content of debian/rules?
[20:23] <bdrung_> jenkins: found it: there is no dh_installdocs call
[20:23] <jenkins> thanks bdrung_ I will give that a go
[20:24] <jenkins> thats great bdrung_
[20:24] <bdrung_> you're welcome
[21:12] <micahg> SpamapS: I see you got mongodb to build :)
[22:00] <ari-tczew> micahg: does bug 645125 needs an ACK from release team?
[22:00] <micahg> ari-tczew: shouldn't, is there something in teh changelog that you think warrants an FFe?
[22:01] <ari-tczew> micahg: hmm, I'm thinking whether this sync is valuable.
[22:02] <micahg> ari-tczew: Documentation updates are valuable as they explain the past 2 updates
[22:03] <micahg> ari-tczew: translations are also valuable
[22:03] <ari-tczew> micahg: I said about release team, because I saw that bdrung_ subscribed ubuntu-release to bug 640682 where are not upstream release included, only bugfixes
[22:04] <micahg> ari-tczew: that's because it's in main
[22:05]  * ari-tczew is planning to clean up sponsors queue and start natty development with clear queue
[22:06] <micahg> ari-tczew: sponsors queue is pretty clean for universe
[22:06] <ari-tczew> micahg: I think also for main
[22:06] <micahg> ari-tczew: all main uploads require a release team ack
[22:06] <micahg> ari-tczew:  you can't do anything for main
[22:07] <ari-tczew> micahg: you don't understand me. as a member of ubuntu-sponsors, I can unsubscribe, if there are nothing to sponsor
[22:07] <micahg> ari-tczew: hmm, well, I guess you could go through then, but I don't think people are randomly subscribing -sponsors w/out something to sponsor
[22:09] <ari-tczew> micahg: ok, let's back to your request. what tests have you done with this package?
[22:09] <micahg> ari-tczew: should be a build log attached
[22:09] <micahg> ari-tczew: and it installed fine locally
[22:11] <bdrung_> ari-tczew: you are welcome to work on items that target main.
[22:12] <bdrung_> ari-tczew, micahg: there a lot that can be done. either unsubscribe if there nothing to sponsor, or make sure the patch applies, works, forward it to upstream (and after that pinging me to get it uploadad).
[22:13] <micahg> bdrung_: k, if that works, I'll can try to help with that as well
[22:13]  * micahg would also like to see and empty sponsors queue :)
[22:14] <ari-tczew> bdrung_: I would suggest you to review current syncs requests for main (fresh bugs)
[22:14] <bdrung_> micahg: yes. some bugs are there for very long. even reading them takes much time.
[22:15] <bdrung_> ari-tczew: probably most needs an ACK from ubuntu-release
[22:15] <ari-tczew> bdrung_: ah, yes. I forgot
[22:15] <micahg> bdrung_: one of my main requests won't go in until after maverick, am I better off unsubscribing -sponsors?
[22:15] <bdrung_> ari-tczew: everyone can subscribe ubuntu-release
[22:16] <bdrung_> micahg: that would be nice (and don't forget to subscribe -sponsors again once natty is open)
[22:16] <micahg> bdrung_: k, it's just a transitional package cleanup, can I assign myself or is that bad form?
[22:17] <bdrung_> micahg: you can assign yourself.
[22:17] <bdrung_> micahg: once it should be sponsored, unassign yourself
[22:18] <micahg> bdrung_: k
[22:18]  * micahg is off for now
[22:28] <Bachstelze> ari-tczew: what's the standard procedure for forwarding to Debian? For another bug, I just reported it on Debian's bug tracker and attached my Ubuntu patch, with no answer
[22:29] <bdrung_> Bachstelze: bug number?
[22:30] <Bachstelze> debian bug 594429
[22:30] <Bachstelze> oh never mind, there was an answer
[22:31] <Bachstelze> wonder why I didn't get an email
[22:31] <bdrung_> Bachstelze: because you have to subscribe to the bug to get all responses
[22:32] <bdrung_> Bachstelze: you could link the ubuntu bug to the debian bug
[22:33] <Bachstelze> I might get the same answer on the freeciv one ari-tczew said I should foward then, it's also fixed upstream
[22:34] <ari-tczew> Bachstelze: I understand, but Debian doesn't have packed latest upstream release, so you should forward changes.
[22:34] <ari-tczew> Bachstelze: also, you can request an upgrade to new upstream release
[22:35] <ari-tczew> Bachstelze: wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debian/ForUbuntuDevelopers
[22:36] <ari-tczew> saying easier: you can use script 'submittodebian' or create a new debian bug manually including your patch and information about changes.
[22:40] <ari-tczew> bdrung_: sync includes new upstream release. bug reporter wrote informations about FFe. does it still needs ACK from release team? package is in universe
[22:42] <bdrung_> ari-tczew: if (new feature) or (package in main): require ACK from release team
[22:44] <Bachstelze> okay, I'll do that tomorrow, it's almost midnight here :o
[22:47] <soren> pretto: /win 61
[22:47] <soren> Whoops
[23:03] <bdrung_> ari-tczew: here's a current sponsorship overview: http://people.ubuntu.com/~bdrung/sponsoring/
[23:03] <bdrung_> i have now an non-interactive script that updates this page
[23:06] <ari-tczew> bdrung_: I know, tumbleweed sent me yours and his page
[23:06] <bdrung_> ari-tczew: i just uploaded an update
[23:07] <bdrung_> ari-tczew: let me know when i should update the page
[23:09] <bdrung_> ari-tczew: bug #645019
[23:10] <ari-tczew> bdrung_: do you need run update manually?
[23:10] <bdrung_> ari-tczew: yes
[23:10] <bdrung_> ari-tczew: i hope that my fix will be merged soon
[23:11] <ari-tczew> bdrung_: why you ping me on this bug?
[23:11] <ari-tczew> bdrung_: hm, but dholbach's script runs update manually right?
[23:11] <ari-tczew> automatically * ^^
[23:11] <bdrung_> ari-tczew: because you processed this bug.
[23:12] <bdrung_> ari-tczew: the scripts on http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ is run periodically, automatically, but due to a bug index.html is not created.
[23:13] <bdrung_> ari-tczew: i have made a fix and pushed the branch to get it merged
[23:13] <ari-tczew> bdrung_: aha I understand.
[23:26] <ari-tczew> bdrung_: for me you can now update
[23:26] <bdrung_> ari-tczew: update started
[23:27] <bdrung_> ari-tczew: there is one more reason for getting the queue empty: the sponsor-page script will be faster ;)
[23:28] <ari-tczew> :)
[23:31] <ari-tczew> bdrung_: I hope we will start natty with clean queue. I think that 30th October is at the latest deadline.
[23:32] <bdrung_> ari-tczew: do you have enough time for that? i want to reduce it to zero for over a year and you see the current situation...
[23:32] <ari-tczew> bdrung_: I have not many time, but I'll leave merging packages for take a look on sponsors queue.
[23:32] <bdrung_> ari-tczew: if you can process two or three request per day, it's doable
[23:34] <bdrung_> ari-tczew: i assume that i use 50 % of my time for sponsoring and 50 % for my packages this cycle. no time left to merge other packages...
[23:34] <bdrung_> ari-tczew: update run done
[23:36] <ari-tczew> bdrung_: coolbhavi told me that he is intersted in sponsoring for universe @natty devel cycle
[23:37] <bdrung_> ari-tczew: keeping the universe part of the queue short is not the problem.
[23:37] <bdrung_> ari-tczew: getting the backlog of main requests processed is.
[23:40] <ari-tczew> bdrung_: during natty devel I'll have less time due to last year in school.
[23:40] <bdrung_> ari-tczew: updating the sponsors list takes 5m13.325s
[23:41] <ari-tczew> bdrung_: and every update takes time and resources for still subscribed bugs
[23:42] <bdrung_> ari-tczew: yes, there is no real cache used
[23:43] <ari-tczew> bdrung_: maybe coolbhavi will help us to clean queue
[23:43] <bdrung_> ari-tczew: will you be at the UDS?
[23:44] <ari-tczew> bdrung_: unfortunately not :( and you? why ask? :)
[23:44] <bdrung_> ari-tczew: no (only remote). i think it would be useful to have a track about the sponsor queue
[23:47] <ari-tczew> aha


[14:01] <doko> cyphermox, jdstrand, cpaelzer, jamespage: MIR meeting ...
[14:01] <jamespage> o/
[14:01] <doko> didrocks not here ...
[14:04] <doko> hmm, where was cyphermox magic URL for the outstanding issues ?
[14:04] <cpaelzer> hiho
[14:05] <cpaelzer> doko: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cyphermox/meetings/ubuntu-mir.html
[14:05] <cpaelzer> I had send him improved versions, but he didn't update yet
[14:05] <cpaelzer> but I can't find my links either
[14:05] <cpaelzer> so lets go with these
[14:07] <doko> or the new ones .... I'm currently doing libcue
[14:08] <cpaelzer> is that one of the bugs that Laney set back to new?
[14:08] <cpaelzer> FYI https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:08] <cpaelzer> glad that you are on that doko
[14:08] <doko> and libayatana-appindicator should be incomplete, not new
[14:08] <cpaelzer> well we set it incomplete
[14:09] <cpaelzer> I don't see why LocutusOfBorg set it back
[14:09] <cpaelzer> maybe he sees the ping here
[14:09] <doko> ok, incomplete again
[14:09] <cpaelzer> it expired a day before
[14:09] <cpaelzer> thanks doko
[14:09] <cpaelzer> next link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir
[14:10] <cpaelzer> anything in there to discuss
[14:10] <cpaelzer> I can only speak for gpsd which is soon back to new once my work is accepted in Debian
[14:10] <cpaelzer> but no action on that yet
[14:11] <doko> L aney ping about tracker-minors, but waiting for a security review
[14:11] <doko> jdstrand: ^^^
[14:12] <doko> and libgsf doesn't need a new MIR
[14:13] <doko> pcre2 comes up again,
[14:16] <doko> anything else?
[14:17] <doko> 3
[14:18] <doko> 2
[14:19] <doko> 1
[14:19] <cpaelzer> 1
[14:19] <doko> 1/2
[14:19] <cpaelzer> hehe
[14:19] <doko> ok, nothing else. will ping jdstrand about the outstanding issues and pcre2
[14:19] <cpaelzer> thanks doko
[14:35] <LocutusOfBorg> sorry I thought ayatana was going to be discussed after cosmic release again...
[14:35] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm prodding debian maintainer to answer the outstanding questions
[14:36]  * LocutusOfBorg done


[04:25] <elky> Hrm, when choosing the "Download updates while installing" option in the installer, the installer seems to be taking an eternity to progress past that screen.
[10:06] <tix> mysql 5.6 isn't going to be in 13.04? wtf?
[10:09] <tix> also, why isn't 13.04 going to use wayland yet?
[10:17] <Tribaal> tix: 5.6 was release after debian import freeze - it didn't make the cut.
[10:32] <magn3ts> PPA?
[10:32] <magn3ts> also, is KDE 4.11 going to slip into 13.04?
[10:32] <magn3ts> I keep longing for rolling release. I wish the rumors were more true.
[11:06] <elky> hrm, what are these glowing orange blobs with arrows that i keep seeming to make appear around windows, and how is it i'm doing that?
[12:17] <taneli> where did my workspaces go?
[12:18] <taneli> just upgraded
[12:18] <taneli> from 12.10
[13:41] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[21:28] <sebsebseb> hi jbicha
[22:22] <roasted> hello friends
[22:23] <roasted> testing out this new fangled "create disk image" feature found in the Disks utility of 13.04
[22:27] <tix> when is wayland going to replace x.org?!?!
[22:27] <tix> not in 13.04 apparently
[23:07] <bjsnider> tix, did you really need 2 exclamation points and 2 question marks?
[23:20] <roasted> imo 3 is needed
[23:21] <roasted> I'm on my 7th attempt of installing 13.04. It keeps locking up where it asks about downloading updates while installing.
[23:21] <roasted> Tried every USB port and 2 flash drives.
[23:22] <roasted> oh my. md5's don't match.
[23:22] <roasted> unless they've changed the daily image iso in the last 5 hours
[23:44] <roasted> So I'm on my 3rd flash drive, 2nd ISO, MD5's match, etc., but I CANNOT complete the installation of 13.04 on my desktop. It hangs at the download updates/install third party software screen.
[23:50] <roasted> So... I unplugged all HDD's except the one I want to install to, and even still it's failing.
[23:50] <roasted> How does one install Ubuntu 13.04?
[23:51] <sebsebseb> roasted: by following the installer I guess? :d
[23:52] <roasted> sebsebseb: just figured it out on this bug report - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1080701
[23:52] <roasted> had to run sudo swapoff -a first
[23:53] <sebsebseb> roasted: ok so not quiteg so simple as  running the installer I guess then, heh heh
[23:55] <roasted> sebsebseb: nope :(
[23:55] <roasted> I certainly hope that's fixed for the final release, but there's somet ime yet I suppose


[01:23] <pleia2> Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 438 for the week October 5 - 11, 2015 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue438
[01:23] <Unit193> Just checked it too, all good.
[01:24] <pleia2> thank you
[01:24] <pleia2> jose: think you can handle weekend things + release next week?
[19:16] <jose> pleia2: definitely, no worries!
[23:09] <pleia2> jose: thanks :)


[00:02] <nhaines> jono: ooh, ooh, what's engineering management?
[00:04] <jono> nhaines, eh?
[00:04] <rww> I suspect nhaines is looking at Canonical's jobs page ;P
[00:04] <nhaines> jono: I just got a LinkedIn email saying you'd updated your profile.
[00:04] <rww> oh. well never mind then ;P
[00:05] <jono> nhaines, oh yeah
[00:53] <DarkwingDuck> jono: Do you know where the design team holds the paw logo for Oneiric?
[00:54] <jono> DarkwingDuck, no idea
[00:54] <nhaines> DarkwingDuck: probably in an Adobe Illustrator file.
[00:54]  * DarkwingDuck grumbles
[00:55]  * pleia2 chuckles
[00:55] <nhaines> I'd settle for updated business card artwork.  :(
[00:55] <DarkwingDuck> pleia2: Hey, I know... can you take a picture of the logo on your shirt?
[00:55] <DarkwingDuck> I'll just build an SVG from that.
[00:56] <DarkwingDuck> nhaines: how many CDs do you think you guys'll need up in LA?
[00:56] <pleia2> it's in the dryer
[00:56] <jamalta> DarkwingDuck: would this work? http://www.flickr.com/photos/trevi55/5705047100/
[00:56] <pleia2> there you go :)
[00:56] <DarkwingDuck> YES!
[00:56] <DarkwingDuck> jamalta: thank you!
[00:56] <jamalta> DarkwingDuck: np :)
[00:56] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: I'm shipping some directly to nhaines
[00:56] <nhaines> DarkwingDuck: I don't know.  My request was only for UHLF, OCLUG, and an independant classroom who asked UHLF.
[00:56] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: I figure I send you the SD ones :)
[00:57] <nhaines> pleia2: I realized about 10 minutes after I sent the email that I didn't send any shipping info, so let me know if you need it  :)
[00:57] <pleia2> nhaines: I replied asking if you had the same addy as last time :)
[00:57] <pleia2> if yes, then no!
[00:57] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhhh, Got ya
[00:57] <nhaines> pleia2: Ooh, I never saw it.... updating my phone on a Friday was fun but not smart... it wiped the phone's memory.
[00:58] <nhaines> pleia2: Yup, same addy and everything.  :)
[00:58] <pleia2> ok cool
[00:58] <nhaines> Not only did it wipe the phone but it broke Netflix support so :(
[00:58] <pleia2> doh :(
[00:59] <nhaines> At least I had the forethought to back up my data and apps first.  :)  But still.  Lost my gas mileage data.
[03:05] <pleia2> ok, so far CDs being sent out to San Diego (and surrounding), lake forest, sacramento and mt view
[03:07] <nhaines> \o/
[03:07] <DarkwingDuck> Whoot!
[03:08] <nhaines> pleia2: were there enough CDs to send an extra set for OCLUG and for the training classroom?
[03:08] <DarkwingDuck> Ohhh, Also, I'm starting plans for a SCaLE booth
[03:09] <pleia2> nhaines: yep, sending your final totals
[03:09] <nhaines> pleia2: ooh, thanks!  I can let them know this week.  :)
[03:09] <pleia2> no 10.04s though, I think during that release the CA ones were sent to Flannel and grantbow got ones for up here from YokoZar
[03:09] <pleia2> I don't have any of them
[03:10] <nhaines> Ah, yes, I did find that email after all (not used to Evolution's threaded views).  There may not be any more left, but if that's the case I'll lightscribe some up pretty.
[03:19] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/NattyRelease edited
[04:12] <erichammond> pleia2: I can act as  a distributor for CDs in the Los Angeles area if folks need them here.  I live and work on the East and West sides of the city.
[04:13] <pleia2> erichammond: ok, can you touch base with DarkwingDuck? I am sending a big package his way and he said he'd bring some up to the LA area (he's in San Diego)
[04:13] <pleia2> if he can't make it up I'll send some more down
[04:19] <erichammond> pleia2: will do.  (I also work with friends who drive North to the valley, South to the beach cities, and inwards to the Hollywood area)
[04:19] <seidos> erichammond: you're in l.a.?  hey, me too
[04:20] <erichammond> hmmm... What else could I distribute ;-)
[04:20] <erichammond> seidos: I live in Arcadia and work in Santa Monica.
[04:20] <seidos> erichammond: i thought you were in the Bay Area.  i thought i met an eric out there
[04:21] <seidos> i'm not familiar with the Arcadia area, Santa Monica yes
[04:21] <erichammond> speaking of which, it's time for my commute back home.  Arcadia is just East of Pasadena.
[04:21] <seidos> i live near Culver City
[04:21] <pleia2> seidos: the eric you met up here is probably eps
[04:21] <seidos> have a save trip
[04:21] <seidos> *safe
[04:23] <seidos> pleia2: ah
[04:23] <seidos> i should've known there is more than 1 eric, there is more than one kevin
[04:38] <rww> only one of me so far i think
[04:39] <rww> (my brain just went "any other p... prin... wait no. umm. oh there we go"
[04:39] <pleia2> it's always cause for celebration when there is another elizabeth :)
[04:42] <pleia2> (for me anyway)
[04:46] <DarkwingDuck> More tehen 1 David too
[04:46] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports/11/April edited
[05:03] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/NattyRelease edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports/Current edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/TeamReports/11/April edited
[05:44] <YokoZar> pleia2: for what it's worth I got CDs shipped directly from one of the women who organize UDS at Canonical (the one who wasn't there this time actually)
[06:43] <DarkwingDuck> Anyone still up?
[06:44] <DarkwingDuck> Does this http://imm.io/5JcU look like this banner? http://www.flickr.com/photos/trevi55/5705047100/sizes/l/in/photostream/
[07:02] <jmarsden> DarkwingDuck: The first one lacks the copyright symbol after the word ubuntu, and the text below the graphic, but otherwise, yes.  Why are we playing "spot the difference", by the way?
[07:03] <DarkwingDuck> Because I build the graphic from scratch based off the photo.
[07:03] <DarkwingDuck> I wanted to see how it matched
[07:12] <jono> DarkwingDuck, ping?
[07:13] <DarkwingDuck> jono: Pong
[17:33] <MarkDude> Has anyone else decided to go to Maker Faire this Saturday?
[17:34] <crashsystems> where is that MarkDude ?
[17:34] <MarkDude> San Mateo
[17:34] <MarkDude> in the land of enchantment
[17:34] <MarkDude> :D
[17:34] <crashsystems> where is that in relation to sunnyvale?
[17:35] <akk> northwest
[17:35] <MarkDude> Sunnyvale is much better
[17:35] <MarkDude> lol
[17:35] <akk> I thought the land of enchantment was New Mexico.
[17:35] <MarkDude> It will be enchanting- there will be self powered cupcakes there
[17:36] <crashsystems> I don't know how long it takes to get just about anywhere around here, except SF.
[17:37] <akk> Figure maybe half an hour, 40 min from Sunnyvale to San Mateo (I'm not sure exactly where Maker Faire is, need to look that up).
[17:41] <crashsystems> via public transit?
[17:42] <akk> no, via car
[17:43] <akk> Transit times obviously depend on exactly where on each end ... Caltrain from Sunnyvale to San Mateo is probably 20 min or so, but you could check caltrain.org to know for sure.
[17:49] <MarkDude> http://makezine.com/makerfaire/bayarea/2011/alternative.csp
[17:49] <MarkDude> Caltrain is actually easier than BART here
[17:49] <MarkDude> For TedxHayward- BART is better
[17:51] <akk> Hmm, is parking expensive for those who drive? Any idea?
[17:52] <akk> Oh, they have a page for it -- some free parking, woo. http://makerfaire.com/bayarea/2011/car.csp
[17:55] <MarkDude> No too far away it says
[17:55] <iheartubuntu> are there any easy linux solutions for hooking up something to a TV to view websites?
[17:56] <iheartubuntu> my wife mostly watches russian TV shows and russian movies from russian websites and click the full screen button. something easier than hooking up a computer to the TV
[17:56] <iheartubuntu> i wonder if boxee can handle websites
[18:10] <seidos> isn't it like medibuntu or something?  i think the problem is more hardware though, need to have compatible output from computer to t.v./monitor
[18:23] <iheartubuntu> dang, boxee doesnt have 32 bit anymore
[18:25] <iheartubuntu> i tired installing the 64 bit deb my forcing the install. it installed, but wont run
[18:42] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: you want to view a computer using a TV without hooking up a computer to a TV?
[18:43] <iheartubuntu> pretty much :)
[18:43] <iheartubuntu> something like boxee probably
[18:43] <iheartubuntu> or XBMC
[18:43] <sn9> boxee is a computer
[18:43] <sn9> so is xbmc
[18:43] <nhaines> Yeah, those are both computers.
[18:43] <sn9> so based on your specs, they don't qualify
[18:44] <iheartubuntu> something simpler like a dvd player or playstation
[18:44] <iheartubuntu> but can handle browsing the web
[18:44] <sn9> a ps3 is a  computer, too
[18:44] <nhaines> My Blu-ray player is running Linux.
[18:44] <iheartubuntu> i realize at some point its a computer... im not trying to hook up an orange to the tv
[18:45] <nhaines> Actually, so do the WD TV Live series of media players we make.  :)
[18:45] <sn9> would an orange suit your purpose?
[18:45] <iheartubuntu> i cannot get a computer hooked to the TV without fighting it
[18:46] <nhaines> Why not?  What are your TV's inputs?
[18:46] <iheartubuntu> although ive never tried HDMI connection if thats possible
[18:46] <iheartubuntu> VGA out from a netbook
[18:47] <iheartubuntu> when connected to any TV the screen jumps around to different sizes. its not very user friendly.
[18:47] <iheartubuntu> both in ubuntu and xp
[18:47] <nhaines> If your TV doesn't have anything but VGA-in, it sounds like more like a monitor.
[18:48] <iheartubuntu> i was unable to hook up a projector to the netbook either
[18:48] <iheartubuntu> akk was helping me way back on that
[18:48] <iheartubuntu> its either the operator or the netbook
[18:48] <iheartubuntu> :D
[18:49] <iheartubuntu> ive tried these things on multiple TVs too
[18:49] <sn9> what netbook is it?
[18:49] <nhaines> Are we focusing on the netbook now or the TV?
[18:49] <iheartubuntu> acer inspire
[18:49] <iheartubuntu> and i have an acer laptop that wont hook up to TV or projector either
[18:50] <sn9> the celeron one or the atom?
[18:50] <iheartubuntu> wonder if its an acer prob
[18:50] <iheartubuntu> atom netbook
[18:50] <sn9> so it has intel video? are you using the intel proprietary binary video driver?
[18:51] <sn9> last i checked, atom required that
[18:52] <iheartubuntu> this i do not know
[18:53] <sn9> unless you installed it manually, likely not
[18:53] <iheartubuntu> i'll check it tonight thanks sn9
[18:53] <iheartubuntu> no i didnt install it
[18:53] <iheartubuntu> im not even sure what version ubuntu is on it
[18:54] <iheartubuntu> like a 10.x version
[18:54] <sn9> i'm assuming vga is its only video output
[18:55] <sn9> btw, i know i'm late to the convo, but what exactly is your use case?
[18:55] <nhaines> sn9: media playback and web browsing on a TV>
[18:57] <sn9> that is a potential solution, not the use case itself. what is the media playback and browsing needed for?
[18:58] <nhaines> sn9: that's not a solution, it's the use case.  His wife wants to view Russian video and browse Russian web sites using a TV as a display.
[18:59] <sn9> i don't think that calls for a netbook
[18:59] <nhaines> Me either, but that's what he's using right now apparently.
[19:00] <sn9> a netbook would be undesirable for this in a multitude of ways
[19:00] <nhaines> That might be why he's asking for alternate solutions.
[19:00] <sn9> HTPC ftw
[19:01] <sn9> mythbuntu
[19:01] <sn9> does she subscribe to RTN?
[19:01] <nhaines> sn9: I was going to suggest mythbuntu, but he won't elaborate on the TV or other details, so...  it's hard to recommend anythinh.
[19:02] <sn9> or NTVi?
[19:02] <nhaines> Plus, he said he didn't want to use a computer, so that rules out Boxee, XBMC, Mythbuntu, and so on.
[19:02] <sn9> or Dish Network?
[19:03] <sn9> a netbook is a computer, so not wanting to use one is already moot
[19:03] <nhaines> sn9: he wants to replace the netbook.  His current setup isn't working or presumably he wouldn't be asking.
[19:06] <sn9> HTPC is more suitable than a netbook
[19:07] <iheartubuntu> no, we have no cable tv. just a HD digital antenna I built :) we get an italian channel which she loves since she speaks italian
[19:07] <nhaines> sn9: I agree but he doesn't want one.
[19:07] <iheartubuntu> sorry. was working on a letter to my city council :) hope to get an idea of a local currency going here
[19:08] <iheartubuntu> what is an HTPC
[19:08] <sn9> comcast makes both RTN and ORT-C1R available
[19:08] <iheartubuntu> something like a boxee?
[19:08] <nhaines> It's a home theater PC.
[19:09] <sn9> are you on comcast?
[19:09] <iheartubuntu> i dont mind boxee or the like if i dont have problems with a hookup
[19:09] <DarkwingDuck> iheartubuntu: You do graphics for the countdown/banners and such?
[19:09] <sn9> oh wait, i misread "no cable" as "cable"
[19:09] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: you said your TV only has VGA input and no other options.
[19:10] <sn9> there's an italian channel over the air??
[19:10] <iheartubuntu> nhaines, yah vga
[19:10] <iheartubuntu> yep! here in LA anyhow
[19:10] <sn9> no, he said it also has hdmi
[19:10] <iheartubuntu> can boxee, mythtv, xbmc do web browsing though?
[19:10] <sn9> yes
[19:10] <iheartubuntu> i dont have hdmi
[19:10] <nhaines> sn9: no, he said he'd use HDMI if it were an option.
[19:10] <iheartubuntu> darkwingduck yes
[19:10] <sn9> it is an option if the tv has it
[19:11] <DarkwingDuck> iheartubuntu: http://people.ubuntu.com/~david.wonderly/Graphics/Oneiric/Ubuntu-Oneiric-Ocelot-Banner.png
[19:11] <nhaines> sn9: he's said twice now the TV doesn't do anything but VGA.
[19:11] <DarkwingDuck> iheartubuntu: and here is the SVG if you want to use it. http://people.ubuntu.com/~david.wonderly/Graphics/Oneiric/Ubuntu-Oneiric-Ocelot-Banner.svg
[19:11] <sn9> must be a small tv
[19:12] <nhaines> More projects should use SVG.
[19:12] <pleia2> nhaines: +1
[19:12] <iheartubuntu> sn9 - i think the italian channel in los angeles is 31.10 on digital HD
[19:12] <iheartubuntu> i'll double check if interested
[19:12] <nhaines> pleia2: if you haven't shipped those CDs yet I think I want to change my shipping address.  :P
[19:12] <DarkwingDuck> I do 99% of my stuff in inkscape now so all my projects will be SVG
[19:13] <pleia2> nhaines: you're in luck! the boxes are still sitting next to me, running out at lunchtime
[19:13] <nhaines> \o/
[19:14] <iheartubuntu> there is a new inkscape book out. i just posted an article about it
[19:14] <iheartubuntu> darkwingduck - do you need me to do anything with the SVG?
[19:15] <DarkwingDuck> No, I just wanted to give it to you in case you wanted to use the paws. AFAIK I'm the only one other then canonical that has them.... I built them last night.
[19:18] <nhaines> I know Unity gave a lot of Ubuntu users pause.
[19:19] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[19:19] <MarkDude> Unity was not unifying?
[19:20] <iheartubuntu> my dad just upgraded yesterday... "what the h*ll are these icons? wheres my bottom bar?"
[19:20] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[19:20] <sn9> iheartubuntu: so other than the italian channel, most of the video is streamed over the 'net?
[19:20] <iheartubuntu> pretty much yes.
[19:20] <iheartubuntu> there are tons of russian tv channels on the net, and russian sites with movies, cartoons, and specials
[19:21] <iheartubuntu> its huge in russian to have movies made with the countries top stars each new years. she can only find them online and i dont have time to download them and burn them to a DVD
[19:22] <sn9> so they are mostly downloads, no?
[19:22] <iheartubuntu> kinda like different fairy tales each year
[19:22] <iheartubuntu> they are streaming videos
[19:22] <sn9> please tell me the streaming does not require SilverLight
[19:22] <iheartubuntu> i used to download them from the tmp folder, use devede to burn them to a disc for her to watch
[19:22] <iheartubuntu> i just dont have time anymore
[19:22] <iheartubuntu> no
[19:23] <sn9> i saw several russian movie sites that use it
[19:23] <iheartubuntu> mostly flash and i think some of the sites are moving to html5
[19:23] <iheartubuntu> gavareet paruski?
[19:24] <iheartubuntu> darkwingduck, thanks :) i should make a 11.10 countdown now
[19:24] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[19:25] <DarkwingDuck> lemme know when you do. I'll toss it up.
[19:25] <DarkwingDuck> I'll even build a Kubuntu and Xubuntu banners for ya.
[19:26] <nhaines> Only 148 more days until Ubuntu 11.10.
[19:26] <iheartubuntu> im gonna be changing up my site dramatically soon. i think it will work out better long term
[19:26] <DarkwingDuck> I found a german site that had a couple. So I'm sporting that on my blog.
[19:27] <iheartubuntu> pleia2 had some good input about the big graphic headlines. takes up a lot of space and i dont have time to change the graphic often
[19:27] <DarkwingDuck> iheartubuntu: have you seen my redone blog?
[19:27] <sn9> я пока-что не видел что бы фильмы показывали используя html5
[19:28] <MarkDude> Hey thats not an alphabet I caan read
[19:28] <sn9> i think iheartubuntu's wife can
[19:29] <nhaines> That reminds me.  Unicode broke on my server again and I need to fix it.
[19:30] <iheartubuntu> darkwing... ive been reading your blog posts in google reader
[19:30] <iheartubuntu> ohh yes ive seen this
[19:30] <iheartubuntu> http://www.wonderly.com/
[19:31] <iheartubuntu> i like it
[19:31] <iheartubuntu> its clean
[19:31] <DarkwingDuck> Thanks.
[19:31] <DarkwingDuck> I need to write one today.
[19:32] <nhaines> No more Ubuntu Bytes updates either.
[19:33] <iheartubuntu> no
[19:33] <iheartubuntu> the program i was using was really buggy
[19:33] <iheartubuntu> TBO it was called
[19:33] <iheartubuntu> it crashed on me every time i created text or adjusted the shape of a characters head
[19:33] <nhaines> Inkscape?
[19:34] <iheartubuntu> i do want to continue it but hand draw it all and clean it up in inkscape
[19:34] <iheartubuntu> this weekend was all about installing new windows on my house. man what a difference
[19:35] <iheartubuntu> now i can work on the website without freezing over or getting too hot inside :)
[19:36] <iheartubuntu> i'd really like to get more into inkscape. i love it so far.
[19:36] <iheartubuntu> Krita looks like another promising program i could get into
[19:37] <DarkwingDuck> I only use Gimp for photos. Everything else is Inkscape
[19:37] <seidos> iheartubuntu: you installed windows?  epic.
[19:37] <iheartubuntu> not Windows
[19:37] <iheartubuntu> windows
[19:37] <iheartubuntu> :D
[19:37] <seidos> that's what i said
[19:37] <seidos> where did you get them?  home depot?
[19:37] <iheartubuntu> yes
[19:37] <seidos> did they do the measuring for you?
[19:37] <iheartubuntu> no, friend has a window company
[19:38] <seidos> ah
[19:38] <iheartubuntu> yah he came and measured everything
[19:38] <iheartubuntu> i did a square craftsman style grid along the top quarter of the windows
[19:39] <seidos> that's the hardest part, i think.  making sure you get the right size
[19:39] <iheartubuntu> looks nice
[19:39] <iheartubuntu> i reduced the size of two windows in my living room to make room for a fireplace and built in bookshelves
[19:40] <iheartubuntu> i did hand crank windows to keep the style and feel of the house
[19:41] <sn9> iheartubuntu: bottom line: HTPC _is_ your solution, and trying to get around that fact serves no purpose
[19:42] <iheartubuntu> sn9 and i cand do that myself basically with mythtv, boxee or the like?
[19:42] <iheartubuntu> maybe i  should get away from the vga output
[19:44] <iheartubuntu> i dont remember so many problems hooking up a laptop to a tv... i did it way back in 8 or 9 years ago when i was in russia and teaching my wife english with american dvds
[19:45] <iheartubuntu> she learned english from "sex and the city". now its all about shoes, purses, etc... looking back i should have brought beverly hillbillies episodes instead
[19:45] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[19:45] <sn9> i learned english from sesame street
[19:45] <DarkwingDuck> Or star trek
[19:45] <sn9> still took years to pick it up after russian
[19:46] <sn9> is it a small and/or old tv?
[19:46] <iheartubuntu> what is your native language?
[19:46] <iheartubuntu> like a 30" flatscreen
[19:49] <seidos> tv's are a pain, they are usually composite video, only until recently did t.v.'s get vga/dvi/hdmi connectors
[19:50] <seidos> in fact, it probably makes sense to call new t.v.'s monitors, anyway
[19:51] <seidos> "monitors"
[19:52] <sn9> my native language is russian
[19:52] <sn9> some say i still have the accent and some say i don't
[19:53] <iheartubuntu> i would have never guessed sn9. im usually good at picking up accents
[19:53] <sn9> is that 30" at 16:9, or 4:3?
[19:54] <iheartubuntu> we have friends who will not leave the russian districts of LA and their accents remain heavy. the friends who have moved away and spend more time speaking with native english speakers have the least accents ive noticed
[19:55] <iheartubuntu> my wifes english is pretty good. she majored in linguistics, which no one has heard of here in the states
[19:55] <sn9> i know people who still have the accent despite speaking only english and having forgotten how to speak russian at all
[19:56] <sn9> my dad had a ph.d equivalent in linguistics
[19:56] <iheartubuntu> wow... my dad lost his polish after he came to the states
[19:57] <iheartubuntu> if i spend any more time with linux i will lose my only spoken language of english :)
[19:57] <sn9> i though you could understand polish
[19:57] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[19:58] <iheartubuntu> i can understand some polish and some russian, but not speak well. tolka nimnoga
[19:58] <iheartubuntu> i can get around moscow fine
[19:59] <DarkwingDuck> I took russian in highschool
[19:59] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[19:59] <DarkwingDuck> That was like 11 years ago though.
[19:59] <sn9> i took cantonese and latin
[19:59] <DarkwingDuck> latin? I wish I had learned latin
[20:00] <iheartubuntu> they had russian in HS???
[20:00] <iheartubuntu> the only languages here in los angeles are spanish or french where i am
[20:00] <sn9> no, they had cantonese and latin
[20:00] <seidos> noam chomsky http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ghoXQxdk6s&feature=related
[20:00] <iheartubuntu> i took german, but had no one to speak it with
[20:00] <seidos> i've heard of linguistics :)
[20:01] <sn9> i took a russian class when i enrolled at Sacramento City College, though, before i transfered to City College of San Francisco
[20:01] <seidos> i wish i learned spanish
[20:02] <seidos> i practice it from time to time on my own...
[20:03] <seidos> i'm going to take some biology and perhaps anatomy at west la college, assuming i can get a fee waiver
[20:03] <sn9> my issue with spanish is that everyone speaks a mile a minute, otherwise i would have picked it up as a child
[20:03] <iheartubuntu> how did pleia2 like budapest? did you fall in love with the city?
[20:04] <iheartubuntu> russians speak russian a mile a minute :)
[20:04] <iheartubuntu> im still watching nupogodi and have problems
[20:05] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: it was lovely :)
[20:05] <sn9> my copies of nu pogodi are silent 8mm
[20:05] <seidos> same here, sn9 .  maybe we should try practicing someday
[20:05] <sn9> original soviet retail releases, some of them
[20:06] <iheartubuntu> wow
[20:06] <iheartubuntu> have u been back home ever?
[20:06] <sn9> i've introduced some splices over the years, though
[20:06] <sn9> 8mm tends to get tangled and stepped on, ya know
[20:06] <sn9> "back home" to me is san francisco
[20:07] <iheartubuntu> i havent been to moscow for a few years now. im sure its much different than when i last left. massive building has been going on there the past decade
[20:07] <philipballew> i just got back home. but that is sac area. SF is a intreting place to have a home. i hear the cities are growing in russia?
[20:08] <seidos> wb philipballew
[20:08] <sn9> the only time i was in moscow was a two-week stay while awaiting the soviet exit visas
[20:08] <seidos> brrr cold
[20:08] <iheartubuntu> XBMC wont install in Natty :(
[20:09] <seidos> i wonder what the trick is to surviving out there.  i assume energy isn't that easy to come by, like everywhere else
[20:09] <philipballew> cold is all relitive. people in so cal when i am there freak out over 50 dagrees when im here i go on a bike ride when its 50 because its a nice day
[20:09] <iheartubuntu> moscow was growing fast
[20:09] <seidos> i used to swim in the ocean here sans wet suit
[20:10] <sn9> iheartubuntu: try mythbuntu
[20:10] <seidos> can't do it for very long.  i used to also snowboard.  coldest i've been in is -18F
[20:10] <iheartubuntu> a friend of ours bought an apartment in moscow region at one of the ends of the moscow metro lines for $50k and now its worth like $350k. takes over an hour to get to the center of moscow
[20:10] <seidos> yeah, with population growth it makes sense that property values would go up
[20:11] <seidos> hey MarkDude
[20:11] <iheartubuntu> markdude has won
[20:11] <MarkDude> Hey there seidos
[20:11] <MarkDude> What did I win?
[20:11] <iheartubuntu> -30*C for me
[20:11] <seidos> hey where
[20:11] <iheartubuntu> you won it all!
[20:11] <sn9> apparently, gasoline is WAY cheaper in russia than in california
[20:11] <seidos> and is cold all relative?
[20:11] <seidos> can i go to pluto now if i'm tough enough?
[20:11] <seidos> :P
[20:12] <iheartubuntu> only with vodka or champagne
[20:12] <philipballew> apperently it snowed at my house last week and i missed it... :(
[20:12] <seidos> i have to walk 10 miles today, i am procrastinating
[20:12] <philipballew> that was about 30
[20:12] <iheartubuntu> 10 miles??
[20:12] <philipballew> ride a bike! its faster
[20:12] <iheartubuntu> seidos, you might try skipping those 10 miles. you will get there much faster
[20:13] <iheartubuntu> the faster you skip the lighter you will feel too
[20:13] <seidos> iheartubuntu: skipping indeed
[20:13] <iheartubuntu> almost like you are flying to your destination
[20:13] <seidos> philipballew: i don't have a bike and i can't build one
[20:13] <seidos> i'll just skip it *stays seated*
[20:14] <seidos> i don't think skipping is a good idea, i don't need to look anymore wimpy than i already do
[20:14] <philipballew> i see. creigslist rideshare!
[20:14] <iheartubuntu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skip_(gait)#Skip
[20:14] <seidos> never heard of it
[20:15] <seidos> what's greener, walking 10 miles, or taking the bus?
[20:15] <seidos> i know which is cheaper
[20:15] <iheartubuntu> skipping is not wimpy at all!
[20:15] <iheartubuntu> skipping is greener!
[20:15] <philipballew> its a sport in some parts of the world
[20:15] <iheartubuntu> who wants to see seidos skip 10 miles, please raise their hands
[20:15]  * iheartubuntu raises hand
[20:15] <philipballew> Hi, i am a professional athlete and i can skip!!!
[20:15] <seidos> this isn't a democracy, it's a dictatorship
[20:15] <iheartubuntu> do we have a second motion?
[20:16] <seidos> professional athletes get paid
[20:16] <philipballew> i second the motion!
[20:16] <iheartubuntu> what if you becvome a professional skipper
[20:16] <seidos> that would be totally awesome
[20:16] <philipballew> you could pay people to watch you
[20:16] <seidos> i could pay people to not watch me
[20:17] <iheartubuntu> the government can watch you
[20:17] <seidos> "i'll give you 5 cents if you'll just turn the other way"
[20:17] <seidos> Echelon?  here?  oh no, please don't get up *BOOM*
[20:18] <philipballew> the gov probably already is!
[20:18] <seidos> we are the government o_o
[20:18] <philipballew> in a sense
[20:18] <seidos> i haven't voted in years
[20:18] <seidos> in a sense
[20:18] <iheartubuntu> you create a sort of kinetic movement with skipping that makes motion much easier.
[20:19] <iheartubuntu> my wife and i skip everywhere
[20:19] <seidos> actually i was walking around with my arms, like cross country skiing
[20:19] <seidos> but that was back in SF
[20:19] <iheartubuntu> whenever we go to the oktoberfest we skip all around the place. skipping is easy after large quantities of beer too
[20:19] <seidos> i wouldn't do looney stuff like that around here
[20:19] <seidos> some snob with a poodle might laugh, and then not pay me for my trouble
[20:20] <seidos> it only seems easy after large quantities of beer
[20:20] <MarkDude> p/me was skipping the other day
[20:20] <MarkDude> it was fun
[20:21] <iheartubuntu> skipping : to leap over lightly and nimbly
[20:21] <seidos> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EPg4muXrzI
[20:21] <iheartubuntu> see what i mean? you feel light and get places much faster
[20:21] <seidos> oh, i've skipped
[20:21] <seidos> it's not like i've ever skipped before
[20:21] <seidos> dualistic serious xor funny
[20:22] <iheartubuntu> if you have to go to the bathroom you can even skip to the lue
[20:22] <seidos> maybe i'll just walk on my toes
[20:22] <seidos> or electric slide
[20:22] <MarkDude> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BblV6AQsd2s
[20:22] <seidos> i should probably limp
[20:22]  * MarkDude just spent some time swinging also
[20:23] <seidos> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBMT3OMEPwk
[20:23] <seidos> i <3 rise against
[20:23] <MarkDude> Yep- they are cool
[20:23] <seidos> nah, i take it back
[20:23] <seidos> i don't even know them
[20:24] <seidos> *closes youtube*
[20:24] <MarkDude> lol
[20:25] <seidos> ah, to be entertained by a friend
[20:25] <seidos> or to entertain a friend
[20:25] <seidos> instead of listening to the musings of strangers
[20:26]  * seidos opens youtube again and goes to his own channel
[20:26] <iheartubuntu> seidos is going to skip part of those 10 miles today :) muuuhahahaaa
[20:28] <seidos> i might
[20:29] <iheartubuntu> YESSS!!!!
[20:29] <philipballew> i hope so
[20:29] <iheartubuntu> bring a stopwatch
[20:29] <iheartubuntu> time yourself walking and time yourself skipping
[20:29] <iheartubuntu> you could make a skipping app for ubuntu
[20:30] <iheartubuntu> feel how light you become
[20:30] <seidos> i think walking is probably more efficient, i'm not in a hurry to get there
[20:31] <iheartubuntu> and feel the energy fill your soul and mind, creating a positive vibration that will resonate with others around you.
[20:31] <iheartubuntu> skipping is contagious, so be careful
[20:31] <seidos> i would rather remain balanced
[20:31] <seidos> i will be positive when Reality itself is
[20:32] <seidos> not feeling the skipping
[20:32] <seidos> perhaps if i were on the yellow brick road i would be
[20:32] <iheartubuntu> (d@mn)
[20:32] <seidos> or if i had ruby slippers
[20:36] <iheartubuntu> sn9 - looks like mythtv has a browser plugin
[20:45] <seidos> hasta la pasta
[20:48] <iheartubuntu> are there any easy ways to watch shows on BBC or Seesaw that are located in UK?
[20:49] <philipballew> ude the gogle uk search engine and google for those shows
[20:50] <iheartubuntu> does anyone know what happened to the guy working for writeonglass.com who hosted an ubuntu get together in socal 6+ months ago?


[09:36] <JaySee> slyon, I have tried as you suggested with routes. It is not working. After adding the static routes, still facing the same issue. But ip route shows the added routes. --> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vhCbHs7zMn/
[09:41] <slyon> JaySee: have you tried removing the 'on-link:' parameter? I cannot see that one in NetworkManager's routes, but it has an additional 'metric:' parameter, which you commented in you config.
[09:42] <slyon> other than that the routes look pretty similar
[10:40] <JaySee> slyon, yes. I have removed on-link. I have added the metric value and tried. It's same issue. But the while adding the metrics value. It is getting added to only "default via ..." path only not to the subnet path. Where as when using  NetworkManager, metrics value is getting added to subnet path.
[10:41] <JaySee> subnet path also** @slyon.
[11:46] <slyon> JaySee: that is strange, there must be something else going on then... because routes and IPs are looking fine. Can you ping that IPs from the outside? Or could you check via traceroute at what point the connection stops working?


[03:58] <learner> hey guys I have a problem with QT 5.4 qml sample HelloWorld
[03:59] <learner> http://pastebin.com/fEmAPcdK
[03:59] <learner> the menu items only show once
[03:59] <learner> can't bring them up again
[04:00] <AkivaAvraham> learner, hey
[04:00] <AkivaAvraham> let me take a look
[04:00] <learner> thanks
[04:01] <AkivaAvraham> learner, btw; what are you developing for / with?
[04:01] <AkivaAvraham> learner, The ubuntu sdk is an ide for both qml, qt, and c++
[04:01] <learner> Qt creator that came with Qt 5.4
[04:02] <AkivaAvraham> learner, are you on linux?
[04:02] <learner> I'm just learning qt after a few years of not having used it
[04:02] <learner> last time i used it it was 2004
[04:02] <AkivaAvraham> learner, ah cool
[04:02] <learner> yes i'm on ubuntu
[04:02] <AkivaAvraham> learner, did you learn c++?
[04:02] <AkivaAvraham> learner, ah great!
[04:02] <AkivaAvraham> learner, for a better hello world example, download the ubuntu SDK
[04:03] <AkivaAvraham> Ubuntu uses QML by default now, so I think its templates are more developed than Qt's QtQuick ones.
[04:03] <learner> yes AkivaAvraham I used to use qt all the time till 2004, then i started working with ada and primarily developed with ada so I haven't used it for a long time and a lot has changed
[04:03] <AkivaAvraham> learner, so then you understand all the ins and outs of c++, memory management, and all that jazz?
[04:04] <learner> ok that's lovely, I just want to know why these menu items are behaving this way, and i'm more than willing to use another development ide
[04:04] <learner> yes AkivaAvraham
[04:04] <AkivaAvraham> learner, its the same ide, but with ubuntu plugins
[04:04] <learner> ok do i apt-get install them?
[04:04] <AkivaAvraham> :) The only reason I asked, is that there is a great manual for teaching c++ and QT at the same time. I recomend it to newbies, of which you are not :D
[04:04] <AkivaAvraham> yah sorry ! lol, leg me grab it for you
[04:05] <AkivaAvraham> are you on 14.04?
[04:05] <learner> yes
[04:05] <AkivaAvraham> okay cool beans
[04:05] <AkivaAvraham> learner, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa
[04:06] <AkivaAvraham> learner, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-sdk
[04:06] <AkivaAvraham> That should be it. Alternatively, you could grab 15.04, or 14.10, but you'll need the ppa still
[04:06] <AkivaAvraham> erm, I think
[04:07] <AkivaAvraham> learner, also the great thing about the ubuntu sdk, is that we have testing built in, that you can program in python
[04:07] <learner> i'd rather stay on 14.04 until 16.04 comes if possible\
[04:07] <AkivaAvraham> learner, +1 :D
[04:08] <AkivaAvraham> okay ping me when you got that jazz all ready
[04:08] <learner> will do thanks AkivaAvraham
[04:34] <AkivaAvraham> !ping
[04:36] <learner> AkivaAvraham, it's done installing
[04:37] <AkivaAvraham> okay
[04:37] <AkivaAvraham> learner, i'm on low battery, but i'll be back on in 40 minutes or so.
[04:38] <learner> ok np
[04:38] <AkivaAvraham> alright so lets start
[04:38] <AkivaAvraham> learner, create a new template
[04:38] <AkivaAvraham> choose from one of the ubuntu options.
[04:39] <AkivaAvraham> learner, there are two types of templates, and one of them is handled by CMake, which allows you to use Qt and C++.
[04:39] <AkivaAvraham> If you are planning pure qml though; that isn't neccessary.
[04:40] <learner> no i'm doing a c++ project
[04:41] <learner> going to write a webserver + web contents + APIs
[04:41] <AkivaAvraham> learner,but you want QML though, right?
[04:41] <learner> yes
[04:41] <AkivaAvraham> okay then
[04:41] <AkivaAvraham> one sec
[04:41] <learner> I want multiple representations
[04:42] <learner> so i'll have these interfaces that will be implemented differently
[04:42] <learner> the web interfaces will display using html, and desktop/mobile interfaces using qml
[04:42] <AkivaAvraham> learner, okay, go new file or project > Ubuntu > "App with QML Extension Library"
[04:43] <AkivaAvraham> learner, well you can program this in html5 btw
[04:43] <learner> one sec, it's still building ubuntu env
[04:43] <learner> oh?
[04:43] <learner> what about the server?
[04:43] <AkivaAvraham> although I'm not an html5 guy.
[04:43] <learner> i'd rather use c++ wherever possible
[04:43] <AkivaAvraham> learner, i'm the wrong guy to ask
[04:43] <learner> it's a more solid ground for me
[04:43] <AkivaAvraham> Alrighty~
[04:44] <learner> i've done python too, and i'm tired of django, and the whole bs of tiny projects that don't work in different versions
[04:44] <learner> also I will be using BDD
[04:44] <AkivaAvraham> For QML, and Qt, the only things that you may need to know, beyond getting used to the extremely wonderful qt library
[04:45] <AkivaAvraham> are the preprocessor macros that allow you to inteface
[04:45] <learner> ok, have they changed a lot?
[04:45] <learner> i'm guessing they have
[04:45] <AkivaAvraham> learner, no clue, but the template will handle it for you
[04:46] <AkivaAvraham> the only one you will be writing yourself is probably Q_INVOKABLE
[04:46] <AkivaAvraham> ie, you can "Invoke" the c++ function in qml
[04:47] <learner> ok some sort of IoC then
[04:47] <AkivaAvraham> learner, oh btw; because you are using this library, there is a good chance that this app will just work on ubuntu phone.
[04:48] <AkivaAvraham> wouldnt that be cool :)
[04:48] <learner> that'd be a lovely plus
[04:48] <learner> i'd be happy if it'd work on android as well
[04:48] <learner> will make my life much easier
[04:49] <learner> I think i'll develop the windows and mac versions using html5
[04:49] <AkivaAvraham> learner, for debugging, #include <QDebug> and and use qDebug() << stuff;
[04:49] <learner> but if i can do the android and linux versions using qt creator and cpp i'd die a happy man
[04:49] <learner> is there a BDD for Qt as well
[04:50] <AkivaAvraham> BDD?
[04:50] <learner> behavior driven development aka gherkin
[04:50] <learner> like igloo
[04:50] <AkivaAvraham> Probably, but I don't know.
[04:51] <AkivaAvraham> learner, oh you mean for testing?
[04:51] <learner> yes
[04:51] <learner> TDD/BDD
[04:51] <AkivaAvraham> learner, yah ubuntu touch has something called autopilot3
[04:51] <AkivaAvraham> you write the tests in python,
[04:51] <learner> ok
[04:51] <AkivaAvraham> it comes bundled with the projects
[04:52] <learner> it uses pyqt?
[04:52] <AkivaAvraham> learner, no; just python afaik.
[04:52] <learner> ok
[04:52] <learner> good
[04:52] <learner> cause i hear bad things about pyqt
[04:52] <learner> it has memory leak problems
[04:52] <AkivaAvraham> learner, it will do things like, "Move mouse to this button, click it"
[04:52] <learner> nice
[04:53] <learner> something like selenium
[04:53] <AkivaAvraham> learner, ive decided that python is not a programming language for me :) Scripting, yes, but I am actually more inclined to use qml these days to write quick apps.
[04:54] <learner> AkivaAvraham, yeah i don't like interpreted languages anymore
[04:54] <learner> i've done ruby, perl, and python
[04:54] <learner> it's very shaky
[04:55] <AkivaAvraham> learner, python was a good starting language though.
[04:55] <learner> and the break of py2 to py3 really messed me up
[04:55] <learner> i have apps on django, that i can't test anymore
[04:55] <AkivaAvraham> learner, them intentionally breaking print was... why?
[04:55] <learner> cause the TDD/BDD app, lettuce, only supports python 2.6 and 2.7
[04:55] <learner> and django 1.72 is py3 only
[04:55] <AkivaAvraham> It really is remarkeable how python3 is still in limbo
[04:56] <learner> yeah
[04:56] <learner> they didn't have a good roadmap
[04:56] <learner> like i like py3 and all
[04:56] <learner> but it's kinda like they didn't have a good idea what they were gonna do to shift apps up
[04:57] <learner> and you have these tiny agile project that release minor changes that end up being huge changes every 2 weeks
[04:57] <AkivaAvraham> learner, yep.
[04:57] <learner> and then all of a sudden one project using one tiny version another, another
[04:57] <learner> and you get into library hell
[04:57] <AkivaAvraham> learner, although I must say, my favourite web app was powered by python.
[04:58] <learner> you can't use this module cause it becomes incompatible with that one
[04:58] <AkivaAvraham> Heh.
[04:58] <learner> working on python for me, is playing counterstrike
[04:58] <AkivaAvraham> learner, oh btw, ubuntu has a new packaging type.
[04:58] <learner> you're getting shot at from left and right
[04:59] <learner> oh?
[04:59] <learner> do tell
[04:59] <AkivaAvraham> learner, yah it is called Click Packages.
[04:59] <AkivaAvraham> They are standalone, and they created them because they tried with deb
[04:59] <AkivaAvraham> but as I understand it, could not get it to have the security features they desired
[05:00] <AkivaAvraham> so with click, they are basically standalone.
[05:01] <AkivaAvraham> so if I want to execute python code, I need to bundle an interpreter in my code
[05:01] <AkivaAvraham> So very good on security :)
[05:03] <learner> so you have full sandboxing?
[05:04] <AkivaAvraham> learner, ah that is the proper term; thanks
[05:04] <AkivaAvraham> learner, they use apparmor, so you give yourself permissions
[05:04] <AkivaAvraham> learner, and while using the phone, say if something wants access to your personal info, afaik, it prompts you on the fly
[05:04] <learner> they should probably use fail2ban, apparmor and jail
[05:05] <AkivaAvraham> instead of being like android, where you install, and just accept all the permissions.
[05:05] <learner> well android really is made for google to steal your data
[05:05] <learner> we all know that
[05:05] <learner> unfortunately users don't
[05:06] <AkivaAvraham> learner, I was really dissapointed by android.
[05:06] <AkivaAvraham> The Java Virtual machine...  it just does not cut it. I wanted Linux
[05:06] <AkivaAvraham> Thats why I am excited for ubuntu touch.
[05:08] <learner> yeah but when you develop apps you need to cater to users, not to wht you feel is right
[05:08] <learner> if it were up to me, i'd get rid of all windows, android, and ios machines
[05:08] <learner> and only allow linux
[05:08] <learner> or bsd
[05:08] <learner> and nothing else
[05:08] <learner> and ban google.com
[05:08] <AkivaAvraham> learner, to each his own. I may not make any money doing what I do, but doing what you love is rarely that easy :)
[05:09] <AkivaAvraham> learner, anyways let me get back to what I was working on. ping me when you need a synopsis of qml
[05:10] <learner> will do
[05:10] <learner> still waiting for the dev kits to set up
[05:10] <AkivaAvraham> learner, oh and in qtcreator, for docs, click on a class or object, bring up the hud, and type "context help"
[05:10] <learner> it seems to be slower than the installation
[05:10] <learner> ok i'll do that
[05:10] <AkivaAvraham> learner, are you building from source?
[05:11] <learner> it seems to be
[05:11] <AkivaAvraham> :?
[05:11] <learner> i just clicked on create a dev kit
[05:11] <AkivaAvraham> ohh
[05:11] <AkivaAvraham> that
[05:11] <learner> and selected amd64
[05:11] <AkivaAvraham> okay
[05:11] <AkivaAvraham> yah thats for your build environment.
[05:11] <learner> but it's doing compilations it seems
[05:11] <AkivaAvraham> learner, yah that takes awhile
[05:12] <learner> touch is amd64 too?
[05:12] <AkivaAvraham> learner, so if you had a phone that had arm, and you wanted to test the app, you would select arm, build it, and run it on the phoen.
[05:12] <learner> or do i need another environment dev kit for that
[05:12] <AkivaAvraham> learner, it depends on the device
[05:12] <learner> ok
[05:13] <AkivaAvraham> learner, so you can also build emulators in this, its based on  the android emulator.
[05:13] <AkivaAvraham> so your probably familiar with it.
[05:13] <AkivaAvraham> adb
[05:13] <AkivaAvraham> thats it
[05:17] <learner> i can't wait to start working on this
[05:17] <learner> thanks a lot for the help
[05:17] <AkivaAvraham> learner, :)
[05:17] <AkivaAvraham> learner, QML is one of my favourite languages. So straight forward
[05:18] <learner> it's very much like angular.js
[05:18] <AkivaAvraham> learner, although nothing is better than gnu-apl
[05:18] <learner> lol
[05:18] <learner> i haven't done much of that, i'll have to take your word for it
[05:18] <AkivaAvraham> learner, btw, when you start creating your app and you have some screenshots, would you mind posting it to our subreddit?
[05:19] <learner> sure
[05:19] <AkivaAvraham> http://www.reddit.com/r/ubuntuappdev
[05:19] <AkivaAvraham> learner, have you had the chance to try ubuntu touch on a tablet or phone?
[05:19] <learner> not yet
[05:20] <AkivaAvraham> learner, have you seen it?
[05:20] <learner> i'm ordering a fujitsu tablet next month, gonna install it on that
[05:20] <learner> i've seen vids / screen shots
[05:20] <learner> not used it nope
[05:20] <AkivaAvraham> learner, I tried it for 45 minutes, and after when I switched back to android, I kept instinctively trying to side swipe
[05:20] <AkivaAvraham> to launch apps.
[05:21] <AkivaAvraham> at that point I knew that Ubuntu had created something really wonderful.
[05:21] <learner> well ubuntu has a lot of smart people behind it, making smart choices
[05:21] <AkivaAvraham> :)
[05:21] <learner> one thing i really got upset about was the drop of the old gnome though
[05:22] <learner> a lot of people use xfce nowadays for the feel of gnome 2
[05:22] <AkivaAvraham> learner, not me; I love unity7 because of the hud.
[05:22] <AkivaAvraham> it is incredibly useful
[05:22] <learner> i kinda have 3 different desktops now, unity, kde and xfce
[05:23] <AkivaAvraham> learner, in fact, I am developing my plugin for qtcreator to utilize the hud, so you can just type the test you want to run, and go.
[05:23] <learner> for a dev like me, i like a clean desktop with capability of a  4x4 wall / cube
[05:23] <learner> to quickly swich and rotate
[05:23] <learner> s/swich/switch/
[05:23] <AkivaAvraham> learner, woah you still use the cube XD
[05:23] <learner> yeah :P
[05:24] <AkivaAvraham> learner, compiz is still really great.
[05:26] <learner> yep
[05:26] <learner> i still have a few desktops with terminal hardcoded in
[05:26] <AkivaAvraham> learner, do you use the hud at all in unity?
[05:26] <learner> so like it has nothing but a terminal in the background loaded in
[05:26] <AkivaAvraham> I think that is a feature most people overlook.
[05:27] <learner> i use it to launch apps sometimes
[05:27] <AkivaAvraham> learner, thats the dash
[05:27] <AkivaAvraham> learner, the hud is different
[05:27] <AkivaAvraham> the hud lets you launch menu commands
[05:27] <learner> no that's the one i use
[05:27] <learner> you type in what app you want
[05:28] <learner> or like search for files
[05:28] <AkivaAvraham> learner, no thats the dash XD
[05:28] <learner> ok maybe
[05:28] <AkivaAvraham> press left alt
[05:28] <AkivaAvraham> not super
[05:28] <AkivaAvraham> learner, its really useful in Gimp which has hundreds of menu items
[05:29] <learner> cool
[05:29] <AkivaAvraham> or for menu commands which don't have keyboard shortcuts.
[05:29] <learner> i don't use gimp, i use photoshop but i get the point
[05:29] <AkivaAvraham> :O
[05:29] <AkivaAvraham> learner, ive never used photoshop
[05:29] <AkivaAvraham> learner, can you tell me if it is actually that much more advanced than gimp?
[05:30] <learner> in terms of raster design yes
[05:30] <AkivaAvraham> hmmmm
[05:30] <AkivaAvraham> learner, you know photoshop can run on linux now, right?
[05:30] <learner> in terms of use of bezier curves it's much easier to use than gimp
[05:30] <AkivaAvraham> learner, they stream it in on chromebooks
[05:31] <learner> without wine?
[05:31] <AkivaAvraham> Yah
[05:31] <AkivaAvraham> its bewildering
[05:31] <AkivaAvraham> I can only imagine how much of a mess their code base must be when it is easier to stream the application in, rather than just develop a port.
[05:32] <learner> well photoshop's base is QT
[05:32] <learner> you know that of course
[05:32] <AkivaAvraham> learner, no; i'm shocked actually
[05:32] <AkivaAvraham> Now I'm even more surprised.
[05:32] <learner> the main functionalities like the Gaussian calculations they're all simple c++ libs
[05:33] <learner> so less than 5% of photoshop is really machine dependent
[05:33] <learner> the rest is very easy to port
[05:33] <learner> almost all of its ui is fully portable to any machine
[05:33] <AkivaAvraham> learner, why don't they then just port it to linux?
[05:34] <learner> AkivaAvraham, money!
[05:34] <AkivaAvraham> waht?
[05:34] <AkivaAvraham> okay i'm sure theres a reason.
[05:34] <learner> they want to sell photoshop licenses for huge amounts of money
[05:35] <learner> if they started providing photoshop on linux, then they wouldn't be able to charge those huge amounts anymore
[05:36] <learner> you know the story of macromedia right
[05:36] <learner> how adobe bought them
[05:36] <AkivaAvraham> learner, maybe. Nope.
[05:36] <AkivaAvraham> do tell
[05:36] <AkivaAvraham> oh wise and vetted one :)
[05:36] <learner> macromedia was a much much better software company than adobe
[05:36] <learner> lmao
[05:37] <learner> adobe only had one project that sold a lot
[05:37] <learner> photoshop
[05:37] <learner> the rest of its apps were mediocre
[05:38] <learner> illustrator was soo much worse than freehand they literally copying freehand
[05:38] <AkivaAvraham> ha
[05:38] <learner> dreamweaver
[05:38] <learner> flash
[05:38] <learner> fireworks
[05:39] <learner> all of these are macromedia inventions
[05:39] <learner> then all of a sudden, adobe buys macromedia
[05:39] <learner> why? because they had billions of bucks lying around from photoshop
[05:40] <learner> then all of a sudden illustrator becomes great
[05:40] <AkivaAvraham> ha
[05:40] <learner> it starts becoming better than corel draw even
[05:40] <learner> why, cause they basically dropped the illustrator engine and used the freehand one instead
[05:40] <AkivaAvraham> learner, just curious, you know gimp finally has a unified interface right? No more 3 window if you don't want it.
[05:41] <AkivaAvraham> I used it with a tablet, it was actually really nice to use with a stylus
[05:41] <learner> well that's good, but the problem with gimp isn't just wth the ui
[05:41] <AkivaAvraham> although I don't use gimp for much.
[05:41] <AkivaAvraham> well that was a huge problem
[05:41]  * AkivaAvraham hated the three window ui
[05:42] <learner> gimp isn't UX driven
[05:42] <learner> meaning they don't sit and think hmm, how would a designer wanna use gimp
[05:42] <AkivaAvraham> Unix?
[05:42] <learner> user experience aka ux
[05:42] <AkivaAvraham> interesting
[05:42] <AkivaAvraham> learner, I honestly think though the Gimp and the HUD, is such a killer combination.
[05:43] <learner> AkivaAvraham, you're not a painter are you?
[05:43] <AkivaAvraham> I think photoshop has that as well of course
[05:43] <AkivaAvraham> learner, exactly
[05:43] <learner> a tablet user, don't want lots of menus
[05:43] <learner> they don't want to type for a command and bring it up
[05:43] <learner> they want button combos
[05:43] <AkivaAvraham> learner, well that is what the hud does.
[05:44] <AkivaAvraham> type for a command, and there it is
[05:44] <learner> a designer using wacom 24 hd touch
[05:44] <learner> they will have a wheel and a few buttons
[05:44] <learner> they'll map them to a set of things
[05:44] <learner> and that's what they'll use
[05:45] <learner> the only time they use the keyboard is when naming groups, layers, or smart objects
[05:46]  * AkivaAvraham gets back to work
[10:13] <Ashik> hei, don't .click packaging work on ubuntu desktop?
[10:22] <gcollura> Ashik, not *yet*
[10:23] <gcollura> Ashik, they seem to work on vivid unity8 preview, but I cannot ensure you how much
[10:29] <Ashik> ok, thanks.
[11:03] <mivoligo> mzanetti: hi, when you around and have time, see the currency-prop-1.png in the drive and let me know which one you like if any :)
[12:15] <learner> .click is for the next version of ubuntu, it's not implemented yet
[12:15] <learner> even the design isn't finalized
[12:15] <learner> don't use it yet
[12:17] <hyperair> really? i thought it was mature enough that the myapps stuff was all supposed to be self-packaged using click already
[12:26] <learner> i don't think so, not from what i've read
[12:27] <learner> i really hope it becomes standard soon though, the whole sandboxing thing is very intriguing
[14:11] <TommyBrunn> Hooray! Just had my app approved and published. Thanks for the help everyone! :)
[14:14] <mivoligo1> mzanetti: hey, I had problems with my internet earlier, so I'm not sure if you have answered about the currency symbol or not :)
[14:15] <mzanetti> mivoligo1: hi. no, didn't reply as I saw you going offline
[14:15] <mivoligo1> ah ok
[14:15] <mivoligo1> so what you think then?
[14:15] <mzanetti> mivoligo1: I've talked with some people and they seem to agree that instead we should show a coin
[14:15] <mzanetti> mivoligo1: not sure how that works color-wise though
[14:16] <mzanetti> what do you think?
[14:16] <mzanetti> from your proposals I think I like the first one the most
[14:16] <mivoligo1> mzanetti: by a coin you mean a circle with something inside I guess
[14:17] <mzanetti> yes
[14:17] <mzanetti> well, dunno, just an idea...
[14:17] <mzanetti> mivoligo1: I've pushed a bunch of sounds :)
[14:18] <mivoligo1> mzanetti: did you downgrade the required components as well?  :P
[14:18] <mzanetti> arh right. let me do that
[14:19] <mivoligo1> thanks
[14:19] <mivoligo1> mzanetti: I tried running the game on 14.10 in virtualbox and it's painfully slow
[14:20] <mzanetti> hmm..
[14:21] <mzanetti> well, pushed the downgrades
[14:21] <mivoligo1> mzanetti: I guess my computer is not really up to speed
[14:22] <mzanetti> I still need to do another round of optimisations though.
[14:22] <mzanetti> while it still works on the phone, it's reaching the limits
[14:30] <mivoligo1> mzanetti: about this bug with the stars: the svg file for them uses blur but in the game it'll be lost
[14:32] <mzanetti> oh, I see
[14:32] <mivoligo1> mzanetti: so I may redesign them a little
[14:33] <mzanetti> mivoligo1: whatever you think is better
[14:33] <mzanetti> we can also keep the current ones...
[14:33] <mzanetti> I just noticed it right now as I way paying attention to properly scaling all the icons
[14:36] <mzanetti> mivoligo1: now I only need to finish the last 4 levels, create the new tower info dialog and then I think we're set. anything else missing?
[14:37] <mivoligo1> mzanetti: what about the levelpack creation tutorial?
[14:37] <mzanetti> that would be a website I'd say
[14:38] <mivoligo1> ok
[14:39] <mivoligo1> mzanetti: I've seen some testing going on in the drive, what the guys think?
[14:40] <mzanetti> feedback was quite good so far
[14:41] <mzanetti> I'd give them some more time to complete more levels . mainly I want to find out if there are some levels too easy
[14:43] <mivoligo1> ok :)
[14:46] <mzanetti> mivoligo1: can you edit InfoPage.qml and enable line 66 and 69?
[14:46] <mivoligo1> mzanetti: see the coin-1 in the drive, something like this or more real?
[14:46]  * mzanetti looks
[14:47] <mzanetti> hmm... looks quite nice
[14:47] <mzanetti> lets see how it looks in the game
[14:48] <mivoligo1> mzanetti: colour can be reversed of course
[14:49] <mzanetti> mivoligo1: would look great in the panel I think. not sure what to do in the price tags of the towers though
[14:53] <mivoligo1> mzanetti: can we have to version? or should I make it like golden or something?
[14:53] <mivoligo1> s/to/two
[14:54] <mzanetti> I don't think in the panel it would look good with another color. needs to be white on black
[14:54] <mzanetti> It probably would work for the price tags, but my main concern there is space
[14:55] <mzanetti> I guess in there we sould just have the M
[15:01] <mivoligo1> mzanetti: you mean just the letter M or that fancy sign?
[15:03] <mzanetti> mivoligo1: the fancy sign
[15:05] <mivoligo1> mzanetti: what about the tower info? There we need the dark one :D
[15:06] <mzanetti> mivoligo1: yep. we can also have the coin there as there's enough space
[15:07] <mzanetti> mivoligo1: hmm. I can't see the price any more in the new tower info dialog
[15:07] <mivoligo1> mzanetti: so we need one white coin, one black coin, one white M sign right?
[15:08] <mivoligo1> mzanetti: it wasn't finished :P
[15:08] <mzanetti> ah ok. thought you dropped that intentionally
[15:08] <mzanetti> we might have a problem with vertical space on the phone there then
[15:08] <mzanetti> if it doesn't work out I'll do the two-column thing again like it is atm
[15:09] <mivoligo1> mzanetti: I was thinking if we can put price on the tower icon
[15:09] <mzanetti> ah, nice one
[15:09] <mzanetti> yep, works for me
[15:09] <mivoligo1> but might be a little tight if the tower is locked
[15:10] <mzanetti> true
[15:11] <mivoligo1> mzanetti: let me try a mockup
[15:13] <mzanetti> mivoligo1: hmm... the current code makes it a bit nasty to show both... (not that its impossible, but the component is quite generic and doesn't support it atm)
[15:13] <mzanetti> so if it's not a must have I'd like not to mess with that any more
[15:13] <mivoligo1> OK
[15:14] <mzanetti> we could just not show it if locked (which is what the component does atm)
[15:14] <mivoligo1> mzanetti: so go with 2 columns for now
[15:14] <mzanetti> or do the two column thing, yeah
[15:14] <mzanetti> well, I'll implement something and then we can have look
[15:14] <mivoligo1> great
[15:15] <mivoligo1> mzanetti: I thing a player could plan ahead if she knows the price of upgrades and stuff fro that dialog
[15:16] <mzanetti> yeah..
[15:17] <mivoligo1> mzanetti: do you have "release" date already planned? ;)
[15:17] <mzanetti> nope
[15:18] <mzanetti> doing another teaser? :D
[15:18] <mivoligo1> :D not really
[15:20] <mivoligo1> maybe for an update, it's quite time consuming although the effect is short :)
[15:22] <mzanetti> yeah... guess so
[15:22] <mzanetti> they were great, tho :)
[15:22] <mivoligo1> thanks :)
[15:26] <mzanetti> mivoligo1: what do you think of the new sounds?
[15:26] <mivoligo1> mzanetti: let me check them :)
[15:30] <mivoligo1> mzanetti: very good, definitely suits the game!
[15:31] <mzanetti> they are so funny :D
[15:33] <mivoligo1> mzanetti: I'm listing them in the music player, I guess there's one song for one each theme, right?
[15:35] <mzanetti> mivoligo1: I wanted to do that at first, but then I realized it might be boring to play 6 levels in a row with the same sound
[15:35] <mzanetti> and also there's more sounds than worlds
[15:35] <mzanetti> so I'm cycling them
[15:35] <mivoligo1> good idea
[15:36] <mivoligo1> mankeys spinning monkeys is never boring though ;)
[15:47] <mzanetti> haha
[15:49] <mivoligo1> mzanetti: electro last level has 0 slowdown. Is that intentional?
[15:49] <mzanetti> hmm, no
[15:49] <mzanetti> that's a bug
[17:20] <mivoligo> mzanetti: check the new stars, please. I've also changed qml files but obviously didn't check in practise how it looks :D
[17:21] <mzanetti> mivoligo: ok, cool. will try in a bit
[17:25] <mivoligo> mzanetti: the stars are now more in the style of play/pause, 2x/1x buttons
[20:30] <ahayzen> popey, do you want a changelog for the new music-app? ... i can put it in the usual place?
[20:31] <popey> that would be super!
[20:31] <ahayzen> popey, what was the store version at again?
[20:31] <popey> r745
[20:32] <ahayzen> popey, we're just landing a translations update now.... so for the spanish pack someone will need to do the extra strings then wait for lp to land and then the final click you can grab on tuesday morning...that shouldn't stop any QA'ing tomorrow though
[20:32] <ahayzen> popey, unless you can get a spanish person to do the translations before lp tomorrow morning ;) ... is that ok?
[20:34] <popey> we can ask dpm in the morning
[20:35] <ahayzen> popey, cool thanks... i'll let you know when we have the final click we're just testing everything now :)
[20:35] <popey> nice one!
[20:55] <ahayzen> popey, i think it is these two that need translating? https://translations.launchpad.net/music-app/remix/+pots/music-app/es/+translate?show=untranslated
[20:56] <popey> ahayzen: speaking to spanish people now
[20:57] <ahayzen> popey, \o/ ... in spanish ;)
[21:00] <popey> hehe
[21:06] <popey> ahayzen: I have proposed translations, someone else should validate.
[21:07] <ahayzen> popey, ok :)
[21:07] <ahayzen> popey, the other languages will have to 'lag' until the next store update
[21:42] <ahayzen> popey, suppose we could do this one as well ;) https://translations.launchpad.net/music-app/remix/+pots/music-app/en_GB/+translate?show=untranslated
[21:49]  * popey looks
[21:49] <popey> done
[21:59] <ahayzen> popey, \o/ thanks can't have en_GB getting out of date ;)
[21:59] <popey> ☻