[00:27] <kurt_> Success! Finally!
[00:28] <kurt_> Now just need to figure out cinder/ceph integration and I'm golden!
[00:28] <adam_g> kurt_, did you get your horizon + keystone issue sorted? was just gonna respond on list
[00:28] <kurt_> yes
[00:28] <kurt_> thanks adam
[00:28] <adam_g> ah
[00:29] <kurt_> I tore down everything and started at keystone - set it to precise-grizzly
[00:29] <kurt_> explicitly set the password too
[00:29] <kurt_> and now it works :D
[00:29] <adam_g> kurt_, ah. i was going to suggest just upgrading keystone from essex -> folsom -> grizzly
[00:30] <adam_g> kurt_, setting the openstack-origin on the running service will upgrade the services if the origin you're setting is > than current
[00:30] <adam_g> kurt_, also, you should be able to set the admin-password config option, and have it set it on a running keystone
[00:31] <kurt_> adam_g: can I change it there any time and keystone will work it's magic?
[00:32] <adam_g> kurt_, the password? yes, you should be able to
[00:32] <kurt_> that's awesome
[00:32]  * kurt_ sighs
[00:32] <kurt_> now just cinder/ceph stuff is all I need to figure out
[00:33] <adam_g> kurt_, note ceph isn't a requirement
[00:33] <adam_g> kurt_, without ceph, cinder will just serve its local storage as instance volumes
[00:33] <kurt_> well, I set my cinder block device to "None"
[00:39] <kurt_> adam_g: will it still use local storage then?
[00:40] <adam_g> kurt_, no, you'd need to destroy it and redeploy it with block-device set to an available device on the system
[00:40] <kurt_> adam_g: can I do that without disrupting other parts of the deployment?
[00:41] <kurt_> just simply re-deploy cinder?
[00:41] <adam_g> kurt_, yeah, you'd need to re-add the correct relations to it
[00:43] <kurt_> Ok, but I don't have to tear anything else down and start over, right?
[00:44] <kurt_> and can you confirm - if I would have destroyed keystone, would I have had to have destroyed the other services?
[00:45] <kurt_> I think all I did was update the distro origin string and it worked after ripping everything else out beside mysql and rabbitmq
[00:48] <adam_g> kurt_, you should be good to destroy cinder, redeploy it and re-add it to your cloud.  it gets a bit hairy if you are already using cinder and have volumes attached to instances, but if its a new cloud it should be okay
[00:49] <kurt_> adam_g: thanks.  Are there any readmes for cinder set up or is google my uncle?
[00:50] <adam_g> kurt_, what do you mean by setup?
[00:50] <adam_g> kurt_, deployment using juju? or just general usage?
[00:50] <kurt_> prepping volumes, configuration, set up
[00:52] <kurt_> I'm assuming I need to set up the cinder node in MAAS
[00:52] <kurt_> how do I create persistent storage??
[00:52] <kurt_> ie. is it possible to recover volumes after a crash :D
[00:54] <adam_g> kurt_, right, so... if you're not using ceph, you'd need to ensure there is an avaiable block device on the cinder node(s) when you are deploying it.  if you are deploying with ceph, ceph essentially gives you that block device (and its HA and redundant)
[00:55] <adam_g> actually thats wrong :)
[00:55] <adam_g> without ceph: cinder uses local storage to create volumes and exports it from cinder nodes to instances via iSCSI
[00:56] <adam_g> with ceph: cinder creates ceph block devices in the ceph cluster (instead of locally) and ceph exports them to instances via RBD (between ceph  and nova-compute, cinder is just the mediator)
[00:59] <kurt_> adam_g: can I add more cinder nodes which add additional storage to the system?
[00:59] <adam_g> kurt_, yeah
[01:00] <adam_g> kurt_, however there are no HA/redundancy guarantees.  if you lose a cinder node that is exporting local storage, you lose those volumes as well
[01:00] <kurt_> right
[01:00] <kurt_> that's what ceph brings to the table
[01:01] <adam_g> yup
[01:01] <kurt_> can a combination of ceph and cinder nodes be used?
[01:01] <kurt_> so can i start by playing around with cinder, then add ceph in after the fact?
[01:02] <kurt_> ie. without losing my cinder volumes?
[01:02] <adam_g> kurt_, you'd be using cinder in both cases, just different backends. cinder is growing support in Havana for multi-backends, so you could have some cinder exporting local storage, and others exporting ceph
[01:02] <kurt_> interesting, ok
[01:02] <adam_g> kurt_, one idea being that, as a cloud vendor, you'd charge more for the volumes that are replicated and HA :)
[01:03] <kurt_> sure
[01:03] <kurt_> then you'll need to start thinking about COS
[01:03] <kurt_> :D
[01:03] <adam_g> ya.
[01:03] <adam_g> but atm im thinking about dinner. and need to run. :)
[01:03] <adam_g> cya
[01:03] <kurt_> LOL
[01:03] <sarnold> :)
[01:03] <kurt_> thanks adam
[01:03] <adam_g> np
[09:39] <mxmln_> hi folks!
[11:07] <jamespage> hazmat, thanks for the updates to the 0.7 branch btw - did the trick on saucy
[11:08] <jamespage> just uploaded for re-introduction alongside juju-core
[11:08] <jamespage> jcastro, ^^ fyi
[11:27] <hazmat> jamespage, awesome
[13:56] <jcastro> jamespage: link?
[13:56] <jcastro> jamespage: oh you mean you reuploaded .7
[13:56] <jamespage> jcastro, yes
[13:56]  * jcastro nods
[14:14] <jamespage> adam_g, https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/charm-helpers/fixup_upstream_version/+merge/181840
[14:14] <jamespage> and adam_g: https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/charm-helpers/ceph-redux/+merge/179948
[14:26] <X-warrior`> If I would like to have a wordpress and all its infrastructure on the same machine the mysql would be a subordinate?
[14:39] <rick_h> X-warrior`: check out jcastro's post http://www.jorgecastro.org/2013/07/31/deploying-wordpress-to-the-cloud-with-juju/
[14:40] <X-warrior`> rick_h: will look it, ty
[15:38] <jcastro> marcoceppi: ping!
[15:39] <jcastro> we're doing a charm school in 20 minutes on how to use the local/lxc provider!
[15:40] <rick_h> jcastro: woot
[15:45] <jcastro> hmm, I getting the install hook failing with both juju-gui and mysql
[15:45] <jcastro> on the local provider
[15:59] <jcastro> actually the charm school is on in 60 minutes
[15:59] <jcastro> sorry for the mixup
[16:11] <mthaddon> how do I find the default port for the juju api endpoint?
[16:20] <kurt_> Do you guys recommend using JeOS for ubuntu images within Openstack?
[16:24] <sidnei> mthaddon: i think kapil landed a command to expose that
[16:25] <mthaddon> sidnei: he has a branch in progress for it, but it hasn't landed yet
[16:25] <sidnei> ah, i see
[16:25] <mthaddon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1181382
[16:25] <_mup_> Bug #1181382: command for returning the api endpoint <bitesize> <cmdline> <juju-core:In Progress by hazmat> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1181382>
[16:25] <mthaddon> but in any case, I think I've figured it out
[16:25] <sidnei> mthaddon: it says merged?
[16:26] <mthaddon> oh, so it does - not sure why the bug is in progress still then
[16:35] <smoser> hey...
[16:35] <smoser> i'm using juju on precise
[16:35] <smoser> and before you tell me "dont do that", please listen further
[16:35] <smoser> i'm trying to test juju and precise for 12.04.3 relase (with plars)
[16:36] <smoser> against maas, i get
[16:36] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6018407/
[16:36] <smoser> rvba, ?
[16:54] <smoser> heres a full explanation.
[16:54] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6018470/
[16:54] <smoser> jamespage, ^ any ideas? adam_g ?
[16:54] <jamespage> smoser, yes - you need :80 in your url
[16:54] <jamespage> smoser, helping plars in #ubuntu-release now
[16:55] <smoser> thanks
[16:57] <smoser> jamespage, do you happen to know about the other environments default release error ?
[16:57] <smoser> error: Environments configuration error: /home/ubuntu/.juju/environments.yaml: environments.quantal.default-series: expected 'precise', got 'quantal'
[16:57] <smoser> cause i'll just fix virtual-maas for that too.
[16:57] <jamespage> smoser, that's cause juju 0.5 don't know nothing about raring
[16:58] <jamespage> this does not get reported because no-one actually uses the juju in precise anymore
[16:58] <smoser> well, yes.
[17:00] <jcastro> ok we're going to have a charm school on using the LXC/Local provider
[17:00] <jcastro> starting nowish on http://ubuntuonair.com!
[17:00] <arosales> looking forward to it the local provider charm school jcastro and marcoceppi
[17:07] <rick_h> no love at the url?
[17:09] <jcastro> should be working
[17:09] <jcastro> investigating
[17:09] <marcoceppi> ppa:juju/devel or ppa:juju/stable
[17:10] <rick_h> is it working for others?
[17:12] <m_3> more beer for thumper
[17:15] <m_3> can I tell you how excited I am about this provider?
[17:17] <m_3> marcoceppi: ec2-54-245-207-248.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com
[17:18] <X-warrior`> I'm creating a charm to deploy some git site... What is the best way to git clone it? Create an ssh private key that will be on server and add this private key to git access?
[17:18] <m_3> X-warrior`: pass that "deployment-user" key into the charm as config
[17:19] <jcastro> https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/charms-config.html <-- docs for that
[17:20] <X-warrior`> jcastro: m_3 looking it, ty
[17:26] <m_3> jinx
[17:26] <rick_h> not seeing the juju local package in https://launchpad.net/~juju/+archive/devel
[17:27] <jcastro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/65359/how-do-i-configure-juju-for-local-usage
[17:27] <jcastro> sudo apt-get install juju-core lxc mongodb-server
[17:28] <jcastro> I don't think juju-local has landed
[17:28] <rick_h> ah ok, following along it sounded like the ppa would help me if I wasn't on saucy
[17:28] <sidnei> it landed on saucy but not on the ppa, jcastro?
[17:29] <rick_h> sidnei: right
[17:29] <jcastro> it's not in the stable PPA
[17:29] <rick_h> jcastro: or the devel
[17:29] <jcastro> jamespage: do you know if we're putting "juju-local" in the PPA?
[17:35] <kurt_> Is there a good post-deployment openstack-dashboard (horizon) set up/configuration guide available?
[17:39] <rick_h> jcastro: is http://askubuntu.com/questions/65359/how-do-i-configure-juju-for-local-usage missing an expose command?
[17:39] <jcastro> you don't need to expose locally
[17:39] <rick_h> ah, gotcha
[17:49] <m_3> jcastro: is there a g+ setting that turns off the "mute while I type" thing?
[17:50] <rick_h> wooo this is sweet! juju-gui deployed in lxc deploying charmworld now.
[17:50] <m_3> rick_h: nice
[17:54] <m_3> jcastro: we should look at ingress rules in a vagrant file
[17:58] <weblife> I'm about to go Saucy.  <--Sounds funny
[17:59] <m_3> marcoceppi: awesome job man!
[18:03] <jcastro> marcoceppi: sorry I missed that part but where do I tell lxc/juju to use the squid-d-proxy?
[18:03] <jcastro> I know the entire setup and have it, I just need to know where to point to
[18:04] <marcoceppi> jcastro: you just put in your /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ with the following
[18:04] <jcastro> oh and that will migrate down to the containers?
[18:04] <marcoceppi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6018714/
[18:04] <marcoceppi> jcastro: yeah, Juju looks for Acquire::HTTP::Proxy line and copies it via cloud-init on deploy
[18:06] <jcastro> don't forget to document this!
[18:06] <marcoceppi> jcastro: I AM READY FOR DOCUMENTING
[18:10] <jamespage> jcastro, it should already be in the stable PPA
[18:10] <jamespage> jcastro, we need to sync up on packaging in devel
[18:22] <m_3> jcastro: crap... we forgot to talk about how well the containers survive reboot now
[18:22] <jcastro> jamespage: doesn't appear to be in either PPA, stable or devel
[18:23] <jamespage> jcastro, its in stable
[18:23] <jamespage> https://launchpad.net/~juju/+archive/stable/+packages
[18:23] <jamespage>     juju-local dependency package for the Juju local provider
[18:27] <jcastro> jamespage: oh I see, I didn't expand the expander
[18:27] <jcastro> jamespage: my bad!
[18:28] <jcastro> jamespage: or jam: should I go ahead and update the local instructions?
[18:28] <jcastro> to use juju-local?
[18:45] <kentb> juju-core 1.13.2-4~1703~precise1  If I try and run 'juju bootstrap' against maas 1.2+bzr1373+dfsg-0ubuntu1~12.04.2 I end up with "ERROR juju supercommand.go:282 command failed: gomaasapi: got error back from server: 502 cannotconnect..."
[18:46] <kentb> what do I need to check?
[19:20] <weblife> Woohoo.  Official acceptance for MS degree!!! Feels good.
[19:22] <weblife> Prerequisite waived!!!
[19:28] <m_3> weblife: congrats!!
[19:28] <m_3> MS in what?
[19:28] <weblife> Software Engineering
[19:29] <weblife> thank you also
[19:29] <m_3> cool
[20:00] <kurt_> Can anyone tell me if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quantum/+bug/1211764 affects the overall stability of the quantum-gateway in grizzly and makes it unusable?
[20:00] <_mup_> Bug #1211764: Grizzly's python-quantumclient wrong dependencies <quantum (Ubuntu):Confirmed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1211764>
[20:02] <kurt_> Should I not be able to run "quantum -v net-list" on the quantum node?
[20:02] <kurt_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6019060/
[20:03]  * kurt_ thinks everyone has gone home for the weekend already
[20:03]  * kurt_ thinks he should too
[21:05] <weblife> I am just noticing that if I deploy a instance from local 'juju deploy --repository charms local:my-site my1'  that trying to launch a second 'juju deploy --repository charms local:my-site my2' after I changed the code launches the same code from the 'my1' instance.  Is this a bug or should I alter my second command?
[21:28] <henninge> weblife: AFAIK you will need to bootstrap new if you change the code. Maybe there is a short cut but I am not sure.
[21:29] <henninge> weblife: did you bootstrap with --upload-tools?
[21:33] <weblife> henninge: I could always change the name in the metadata file as a shortcut. Haven't tried upload-tools yet I will look into it. Thank you for the advice.
[21:35] <henninge> weblife: oh, there is also the revision thing.
[21:35] <henninge> weblife: you need to increase the revision number of the charm or else it will use the cached version, I believe.
[21:36] <weblife> henninge: That sounds better and less of a hassle.
[22:20] <marcoceppi> weblife: You will need to use juju deploy -u
[22:21] <marcoceppi> -u will upgrade from the repo if it's local, otherwise it'll use the cached version
[22:21] <marcoceppi> weblife: upload-tools wont do what you need, that's just for versions of juju itself
[22:21] <marcoceppi> and just changing the revision file for a deploy I don't think will automatically trigger it either
[22:22] <weblife> marcoceppi:  Okay, will try next time around.  Thank you!
[22:22] <marcoceppi> weblife: `juju help deploy` for additional details
[22:23] <marcoceppi> You can also opt to use upgrade-charm to upgrade the service running in place, depends on your workflow
[22:24] <kurt_> marcoceppi:  is there some flush that needs to be done when you change IPs in the nova-compute, quantum gateway? ie. floating IPs?
[22:24] <marcoceppi> kurt_: for juju status?
[22:24] <kurt_> in the dashboard
[22:24] <kurt_> the floating IPs for VMs
[22:25] <marcoceppi> kurt_: not that I know of. The floating ips should just work
[22:25] <kurt_> I completely changed my topology and when I try to allocate IP, old ones still appear
[22:25] <kurt_> maybe delete the project?
[22:27] <marcoceppi> kurt_: possibly, still don't have that much openstack experience. Hoping to deploy it against maas soon and really put it through the works
[22:27] <kurt_> yes, I've been successful getting it all the way up, but I'm seeing oddities in the interface that make me think I don't have everything right under the covers
[22:28] <kurt_> in the dashboard rather - doing all the steps necessary to get a VM up, but things aren't working
[22:58] <weblife> m_3: hold off on that review of node-app.  I just remembered that Chris Leas PPA installs everything to /etc/bin but the source installs to /etc/local/bin so it will have a problem when setting up the service configuration.  Will fix this later this evening.  bbl
[22:58] <weblife> I know what I need to do to correct it. Though


[06:01] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:02] <mapps> hi
[06:02] <mapps> 24 finale
[06:02] <mapps> omg
[06:02] <mapps> :D
[06:02] <mapps> just finished watching
[06:02] <MooDoo> not watched it, so no spoilers :D
[06:02] <mapps> ;D
[06:02] <mapps> time for under the dome..new series started too called the strain
[06:02] <mapps> will watch that later
[06:03] <MooDoo> mapps: watched that last night, didn't rate it...might give it another try
[08:02] <DJones> Non operator mobile phone shops must get a hell of a kickback from the operators, same phone, same minutes, texts and data plans are £10-£15 cheaper using the 3rd party sellers
[08:08] <awilkins> The biggest thing they make money on is phone insurance I think
[08:09] <awilkins> My ex ignored my exortation to set a reminder to cancel the insurance on the last phone she bought, I think she's paid out over £1,500 for insurance on a phone she's still got
[08:09] <DJones> Just reading up on why, also looks like they use part of the commission from the operator to keep prices lower
[08:09] <dogmatic69> awilkins:  a £200 phone?
[08:10] <awilkins> HTC Desire Z, not sure what it cost
[08:10] <DJones> So I guess that means I'll be upgrading through carphonewarehouse rather than directly with vodafone
[08:10] <awilkins> But she could have bought quite a few Nexus phones for that money...
[08:10] <dogmatic69> I have never had phone insurance, been ok so far (~ 15 years)
[08:11] <Myrtti> doesn't the home owners insurance cover that?
[08:11] <Myrtti> it does in Finland in most cases
[08:11] <dogmatic69> Myrtti:  generally not things you carry round, you got to specify them
[08:11] <Myrtti> s/home owners/home/
[08:11] <dogmatic69> which makes the price higher
[08:12] <awilkins> I think mine covers it
[08:12] <awilkins> But in any case, the savings I've made not buying it more than cover replacement phones
[08:13] <awilkins> In general I seem to be pretty careful with phones, never had one lost or stolen, only dropped my Razr (and that was fairly durable)
[08:13] <awilkins> May have dropped my N900 but it's always been in a mild steel framed leather coated case
[08:13] <dogmatic69> self insure is the way to go if you are not to bad at looking after them
[08:22] <MooDoo> why is it that when you're working your notice period, everything goes sooooooooooooooo slow
[08:24] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Gummi Worm Day! :-D
[08:24] <SuperMatt> oooh, I could go for some gummi worms
[08:25] <foobarry> jelly snakes
[08:28] <SuperMatt> Gove has been given more power. I fear for us all.
[08:29] <JamesTait> The mother of my son's tee partner on Sunday shared a pack with us as we were going round the course.  Seemed like an apt celebration.
[08:41] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:42] <awilkins> What did Gove get?
[08:42] <foobarry> jelly snakes
[08:42] <brobostigon> a kick up the bum.
[08:42] <awilkins> Chief Whip.
[08:43] <awilkins> That's like being Francis Uruqhart
[08:48] <DJones> Next prime minister then?
[08:49] <foobarry> any of you surrey types ever been to http://www.wingsandwheels.net/ at the top gear circuit in dunsfold? popey ?
[08:53] <popey> i have been
[08:54] <popey> was fun
[08:55] <JamesTait> New job, MooDoo?
[08:56] <foobarry> popey: recommend it?
[08:57] <foobarry> is getting to the event ok?
[08:57] <foobarry> in-laws live in guildford so thinking about taking the boy and father-in-law
[08:58] <popey> Yeah, it's worth going to if you like cars and planes ☻
[08:58] <foobarry> i like planes
[08:58] <popey> someone called "Harry Potter" complained about me posting videos of planes on G+ last night
[08:58] <popey> how odd
[09:00] <foobarry> they prefer black cats?
[09:00] <foobarry> i prefer planes although passenger jets bore me
[09:00] <awilkins> Brooms. He wants to see more brooms.
[09:01] <foobarry> i was searching microserver and popey.com/blog was link number 5
[09:01] <popey> heh
[09:01] <foobarry> popey sounded rather green in 2010 :P
[09:01] <popey> well, I'm still running the same microserver
[09:01] <foobarry> i installaed ubuntu! oh noes i did grub on the usb stick! oh yay it works !
[09:01] <foobarry> :D
[09:01] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXV24en7emE
[09:02] <popey> looks like 'fun'
[09:02] <foobarry> if you don't look back and see how far you've come you aren't learning new stuff.
[09:02] <popey> how profound
[09:06] <bashrc> we were all noobs once
[09:07] <foobarry> are you backing up your android devices to the microserver
[09:08] <foobarry> i have 3TB drives from different manufacturers :S
[09:13] <popey> no
[09:13] <popey> i dont backup android devices
[09:14] <DJones> Aren't phone backups what the NSA/GCHQ are for
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> DJones: they're picky about who they share those backups with :|
[09:18] <DJones> MartijnVdS, I wouldn't worry, they'll get leaked and end up on piratebay
[09:32] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:34] <DJones> How do, hows the holiday going
[09:36]  * MooDoo wants a holiday
[09:36] <DJones> MooDoo, Did I see right that you're working your notice period?
[09:37] <Myrtti> I wonder what kind of temporary insanity lead me to wash yesterdays three machinefuls of laundry with Persil ;________; I put a shirt on that I washed yesterday, on this morning and the smell is doing my head in
[09:37] <MooDoo> DJones: yes
[09:38] <DJones> How long have you got and can you say where you're going?
[09:39] <MooDoo> DJones: 8 days here, and I'm going to work at the health store, it's a wholesaler for health product, i'm sys admin at their head offices
[09:39] <DJones> Sounds like that'll be quite a change
[09:39] <MooDoo> DJones: just a tad.
[09:39] <DJones> :)
[09:40] <MooDoo> DJones: exciting though, no customers as such just internal ones.
[09:40] <Myrtti> oh oh oh, talking of health products! I finally found a multivitamin that doesn't have vitamin K in it
[09:40] <Myrtti> bogstandard Tesco one ;___;
[09:41] <DJones> Myrtti, Vitamin K.. Potasium? rings a bell anyway, my wife has just been told that her levels of potasium are too high and she's got to cut her vitamin supplements and stop eating bananna's
[09:42] <Myrtti> DJones: no, the actual vitamin K, the one produced in the colon by bacteria anyway, found also in leafy green vegetables
[09:42] <Myrtti> assists in blood clotting
[09:42] <popey> thanks ali1234 ! https://plus.google.com/u/0/117474986382867317779/posts/5oBTpcSVrTp
[09:43] <MooDoo> lol
[09:43] <Myrtti> someone needs to stop me from drooling over saucepans
[09:44] <Myrtti> http://www.latimes.com/food/dailydish/la-dd-saucepan-rocket-scientist-heat-efficient-20140710-story.html
[09:44] <dwatkins> Myrtti: have a look at furniture instead? That's what I'm doing.
[09:44] <DJones> Myrtti, Ah, for some reason I had it mind that vitamin K was a potasium rich one
[09:45] <mgdm> K is the chemical symbol for potassium, which is probably why
[09:45] <DJones> mgdm, Thats probably what I was thinking about
[09:45] <dwatkins> ...that pan does look rather nice, though...
[10:59] <bigcalm> After the cruise, I don't mind if I don't see another drink for a very long time
[10:59] <bigcalm> Exception being 2nd August
[10:59] <bigcalm> Otherwise it will be an odd evening
[11:00] <mgdm> birthday?
[11:00] <mgdm> or other anniversary?
[11:02] <bigcalm> !rat
[11:02] <mgdm> oooh
[11:02] <mgdm> yeah
[11:02] <bigcalm> :D
[11:02] <mgdm> I should really go to one of those one day
[11:03] <MooDoo> might have a spare ticket to the RAT
[11:23] <foobarry> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlRl5V7lgs4 vulcan hired for private flypast. :-|
[11:34] <popey> MooDoo: you not coming?
[11:36] <DJones> I like this, supposedly a real bank robbery caught on film in Detroit https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=679706208756991&set=vb.100001528540358&type=2&theater
[11:37] <DJones> Although appears to be an advert for a Chevy Malibu
[11:49] <foobarry> one more microserver question...sorry...is it hardware raid, fakeraid, or you guys just do linux sw raid?
[11:54] <popey> i do sw raid
[11:54] <popey> well, ♥ btrfs, so raid-like
[11:54] <popey> but at that price, it's not real raid
[11:55] <bigcalm> foobarry: I do sw raid1
[11:56] <bigcalm> On the microserver
[11:57] <foobarry> so don't tell the ms anthing, and configure within linux?
[11:58] <MartijnVdS>  yup
[11:58] <foobarry> "no, this is not a full raid. Unfortunately this is only a fake raid only supporting raid levels 0 and 1. However it is one of the better implementations."
[11:58] <MartijnVdS> that's also easiest to recover from if some part dies
[11:58] <foobarry> yes
[11:58] <foobarry> and also because i may have slightly differing disks
[11:59] <foobarry> bigcalm: are you botting from disk or usb?
[11:59] <bigcalm> foobarry: disk
[11:59] <foobarry> 14.04 contains trim now ?
[11:59] <bigcalm> ?
[11:59] <foobarry> trim is not usb though
[11:59] <foobarry> trim support for wear levelling SSD
[12:00] <bigcalm> My microserver is 12.04 running 2 x madam raid1
[12:00] <foobarry> ooo madan
[12:00] <bigcalm> 4 HDDs, not SSD
[12:01] <foobarry> think i prefer a usb stick running ubuntu server, then HDDs for data
[12:01] <foobarry> not sure if good idea or not.
[12:04] <popey> i have 5 drives in mine
[12:04] <popey> ssd for root in the optical bay, and 4 drives in the 4 bays
[12:05] <foobarry> i heard there's a comunity modified bios
[12:05] <popey> it has an internal USB port so you could put the OS on that
[12:05] <popey> yes, there is, I'm too scared to install it though
[12:05] <foobarry> 8gb should be OK for ubuntu server
[12:05] <bigcalm> popey: you've added an additional SATA port or is it eSATA?
[12:05] <foobarry> just trying to find what the new bios does
[12:05] <popey> faster IO i think foobarry
[12:05] <foobarry> always nice
[12:05] <popey> and maybe enables PM on the on-board eSATA port
[12:06] <foobarry> scary though
[12:06] <popey> bigcalm: i have an extra eSATA card
[12:06] <foobarry> this is my precious data after all
[12:06] <bigcalm> Ah
[12:06] <bigcalm> foobarry: off-site backups
[12:06] <foobarry> glacier
[12:06] <foobarry> except i'm also planning to do dvd rips
[12:06] <foobarry> which are too ££ to backup
[12:07] <foobarry> but will take me ages
[12:08] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7798200/ disks in my microserver
[12:09] <foobarry> a plethora
[12:09]  * popey plays Light for a bit
[12:10]  * bigcalm tinkers with FTB
[12:13] <bigcalm> Why is it always night when I connect to my own server? :(
[12:13] <foobarry> how do you install onto usb?
[12:14] <foobarry> i suppose i could get a dvd and choose the usb as the target during install
[12:15] <foobarry> http://homeservershow.com/forums/index.php?/topic/5752-performance-improvement-on-odd-sata-port-contributed-by-bios-mod/
[12:23] <DJones> foobarry, 2 usb sticks & 2 usb ports, create liveusb on one, then boot with that stick & install to 2nd stick
[12:24] <foobarry> heh, so similar method
[12:24] <foobarry> i thought there was another kung fu way
[12:49] <brobostigon> a chap on the tv just now, was wearing a tshirt i like, a black tshirt with the following on the front, "if found return to the pub"
[12:55] <foobarry> how old was he?
[12:56] <brobostigon> late 30's maybe 40's i suspect.
[13:08] <popey> http://www.dabs.com/products/crucial-256gb-m550-sata-6gb-s-2-5--7mm--with-9-5mm-adapter--solid-state-drive-99QZ.html?src=3
[13:08] <popey> "deal of the day"
[13:08] <popey> 104 quid for 256GB SSD
[13:08] <foobarry> wow
[13:08] <SuperMatt> oooh nice
[13:08] <foobarry> i was just looking at a 32gb one for £30
[13:08] <SuperMatt> still waiting for 500G SDDs and then that's most of my games sorted
[13:09] <brobostigon> sdd's, have i misssed something? :)
[13:09] <popey> ooh, A380 goes up in 20 mins
[13:10] <popey> http://imgur.com/8ytU6Y9
[13:10] <popey> todays flying schedule
[13:11]  * SuperMatt glowers at brobostigon
[13:19]  * foobarry notices that ebuyer are on quidco
[13:19] <foobarry> 2% cashback better than a kick in the nads
[13:22]  * SuperMatt kicks foobarry in the nads to test the theory
[13:22] <popey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhZl9LjCKuU
[13:22] <popey> bfq ..
[13:52] <Azelphur> For anyone who is bored...I'm not sure if this makes me a terrible person: http://blog.azelphur.com/node/297 xD
[13:52] <foobarry> arrgh ebuyer takes 5 days to deliver :(
[13:52] <Azelphur> foobarry: they have next day delivery option don't they?
[13:55] <foobarry> yes but moneys
[13:55] <foobarry> 12 quid
[13:55] <Azelphur> indeed
[13:55] <foobarry> didn't realise until i made the decision and added to basket
[13:56] <daftykins> i've come up against  complete brick wall with what to do to nuke someones important data from this Kingspec PATA ZIF SSD :/
[13:56] <daftykins> +a
[13:56] <foobarry> on the product page it says "order in next few hours to receive tomorrow"
[13:56] <daftykins> (lso my keybord keeps dropping letters :/ )
[13:56] <foobarry> then i remembered why i hate eubyer
[13:56] <popey> Azelphur: i thought you might cross reference which people got all of them right
[13:56] <popey> Azelphur: i guess you can't?
[13:56] <daftykins> ebuyer are great \o/
[13:56] <Azelphur> popey: that's actually a good idea
[13:56] <Azelphur> popey: sure I can, I have an SQL database full of singles in my area \o/
[13:56] <popey> perfect partner
[13:56] <popey> some sql joins required ☻
[13:57] <Azelphur> hehe
[13:57] <popey> you should update the blog post with that data, would be fun
[13:57] <popey> see the numbers come down
[13:57] <Azelphur> daftykins: dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/drivetonuke ?
[13:57] <diplo> Azelphur, did you read about another guy that did that in the states
[13:57] <diplo> ?
[13:57] <Azelphur> popey: yea, I was also interested in doing a larger sample size, perhaps scanning a 25m radius of London.
[13:57] <Azelphur> diplo: yea
[13:57] <popey> yeah, good call
[13:58] <foobarry> i also hate quidco for the hoops and hurdles
[13:58] <daftykins> Azelphur: it would seem due to the nature of dynamic wear levelling in SSDs that you can't get away with dd
[13:58] <popey> you can if you fill it daftykins
[13:58] <popey> create a file rather than dd over the device
[13:59] <daftykins> you certainly can't dd zero though :D
[13:59] <daftykins> annoyingly this drive appears to lack secure erase
[13:59] <popey> i would just create a very large file using dev/urandom
[13:59] <daftykins> also - hdparm doesn't even come up with the 'Security' field on the drive? what's that all about?
[13:59] <diplo> Azelphur, did you do it with your login details? I believe they scan for people doing that sort of stuff
[13:59] <daftykins> "hdparm -I /dev/sda"
[13:59] <Azelphur> diplo: I did, yes
[13:59] <Azelphur> okcupid seem to be cool with it
[14:00] <Azelphur> as long as you aren't doing anything nefarious such as mass messaging
[14:00] <Azelphur> or hammering the crap outta the site (I queried relatively slowly, non-threaded)
[14:01] <daftykins> ugh i think my USB is dying
[14:02] <Azelphur> popey: the main interesting thing I learned is that STALE is to STEAL question is a crappy metric of intelligence
[14:02] <popey> haha
[14:02] <Azelphur> because so many people fuck it up, even understanding the question
[14:02] <daftykins> language sir
[14:02] <Azelphur> sorry :x
[14:02] <daftykins> it's as bad as IQ tests really isn't it
[14:03] <Azelphur> daftykins: yea, IQ tests aren't so bad because you have a much larger question set
[14:06] <diplo> yeah I got fed up answering some of the stupid questions
[14:15] <daftykins> i think it's going to be safer not to give away this machine with this SSD in at all
[14:16] <mgdm> I was surprised by Amazon's approach to hard drives used on their AWS stuff
[14:17] <mgdm> Once a hard drive enters a building, it cannot leave unless it's been shredded
[14:17] <mgdm> For SSDs they basically turn it to dust
[14:17] <daftykins> i find that wasteful
[14:17] <daftykins> but then the man hours of nuking disks properly... i can understand
[14:17] <mgdm> they see it as the only way to guarantee no customer data gets leaked
[14:18] <mgdm> sure, it's wasteful, and it means they can never RMA a disk, but that's their decision
[14:18] <daftykins> my old College over here, where i've taught at as well as be a student yada yada - often get donated computers from banks and so on that are doing refreshes
[14:19] <daftykins> they'll even be getting dual core things in of late which is great for their labs... but pretty much all come diskless
[14:19] <daftykins> it's a real pain because it leaves them using old ghetto disks to try and run these things
[14:19] <diplo> We used to do the same at work, either charge them and nuke the disk or tell them to pay us to get a new disk for them
[14:20] <daftykins> i took a lot of hardware sessions when teaching, i was dealing with disk failure after disk failure :|
[14:20] <daftykins> diplo: that's not too bad, local electricity company invited them to bring a busload of kids to do the disk nuking recently and let them keep drives :D
[14:23] <popey> daftykins: why not just write a big file to it?
[14:23] <diplo> That's one way of doing it
[14:23] <diplo> popey, in our case just time spent doing it
[14:23] <daftykins> popey: is this back on the other topic of this SSD i was talking about?
[14:24] <popey> yeah, i saw 15:15:57 < daftykins> i think it's going to be safer not to give away this machine with this SSD in at all
[14:24] <daftykins> ah right
[14:24] <daftykins> yeah, thing is it's not a modern machine at all
[14:25] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ls2xfifyc9nk0zp/AADi5v6nyO5ruH0VZedlXH3La
[14:25] <daftykins> :D
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> looks a bit like my vaio
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> which is 5-ish years old now I think?
[14:26] <daftykins> core 2 duo 1.2GHz ULV, 2GB RAM - came with Vista originally (eww)
[14:26] <popey> should be fine to run a live cd and dd surely?
[14:26] <daftykins> original drive was one of the Toshiba MK1214GAH iPod style ones
[14:26] <MartijnVdS> oh wow, at least mine came with 7 :P
[14:26] <popey> eww
[14:26] <popey> i still have one of those my desk to recover one day
[14:26] <daftykins> popey: well i don't dispute that dd would work, but you're not supposed to do that to SSDs... this one doesn't support TRIM too so performance will degrade
[14:27] <daftykins> bit of a sucky situation
[14:27] <popey> why shouldn't you do that to SSDs?
[14:27] <daftykins> because it's all about minimising writes
[14:28] <popey> dding the whole drive will write to every cell once, surely?
[14:28] <daftykins> not necessarily
[14:29] <popey> if you fill it, how would it not?
[14:30] <foobarry> dd is a rather even write
[14:30] <foobarry> its heavy writes on the same blocks that are bad surely
[14:30] <daftykins> well, for one SSDs often overprovision, so there's actually more NAND than the available space of the drive shows
[14:32] <Azelphur> popey: to answer your question, 37 people answered all 3 questions, only 15 got them all right :P
[14:32] <daftykins> Azelphur: time to message the 15 ;)
[14:32] <Azelphur> I thought that number would be way lower
[14:32] <Azelphur> clearly
[14:33] <Azelphur> daftykins: amusingly, I recognise most of these names from my high match percentages
[14:33] <daftykins> so their system works!?
[14:33] <Azelphur> daftykins: I tested that the other day, I got my best friend to sign up to see what percentage it'd give us
[14:34] <Azelphur> Answer: 96% match (It's guy loooove)
[14:35] <Azelphur> obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL4L4Uv5rf0 for those who don't get the reference :)
[14:35] <daftykins> 8D
[15:29] <foobarry> Azelphur: maybe get your ideal unobtainable woman to think of the questions
[15:30] <foobarry> you thought of a load of man questions and will just get your own double
[15:31] <foobarry> similar to the awesome husband quiz on facebook. the quiz is lame because it assumes every woman just wants a mate to go shoe shopping with
[15:32] <foobarry> also, aren't you intrigued to meet who said the earth was bigger?
[15:48] <popey> foobarry: http://www.dabs.com/products/synology-ds415play-4-bay-desktop-nas-9LP2.html
[15:49] <popey> 400 quid nas that does 1080p transcoding
[15:49] <popey> if that's not "DVD/BD ripper in a box" I don't know what is ☻
[16:59] <DJones> woot...Fibre.....yay
[17:25] <mapps> yay
[17:25] <mapps> alright for some
[17:25] <mapps> im still waiting
[17:26] <mapps> =[
[17:26] <mapps> 5 weeks now!
[17:33] <mapps> YAY
[17:33] <mapps> 2 days 17th and my fibre gets activated
[17:33] <mapps> :D
[18:56] <foobarry> anyone tried kde5?
[19:00] <foobarry> looks like the kde4 update that was needed
[19:03] <popey> nope.
[19:07] <foobarry> shame i've seen 3 articles with the same screenshot
[19:08] <foobarry> popey: already clicked buy on the N54L..
[19:09] <foobarry> the synology looks great though out of my budget
[19:09] <popey> yeah, bit OTT
[19:29]  * smittix ties MooDoo's laces together
[19:31] <diddledan> smittix:! that's evil!
[19:31] <diddledan> but oh so naughtily fun
[19:31]  * diddledan has a go
[19:34] <smittix> heh
[19:34]  * popey is watching http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcparliament
[19:35] <diddledan> anything interesting, popey ?
[19:35] <popey> voting on an amendment to DRIP
[19:35] <diddledan> aah
[19:36] <diddledan> I've had a slew of emails about that "emergency" from the EFF or similar people
[19:37] <diddledan> hmm, and bbc iplayer thinks I'm not in the uk
[19:37] <popey> bah
[19:39] <diddledan> this is why geoblockinbg is a Bad Idea™
[19:49] <diddledan> love that there's about 5 people there
[19:49] <diddledan> so much for an "emergency" bill
[20:13] <foobarry> worst kind of weather is one where you have to take a rainjacket but the rest of the day is s o hot andmuggy that you need to put it ina bag
[20:13] <foobarry> i think thats the next few days
[20:13] <foobarry> defrosting the freezer is such a tiresome tasks
[20:16] <diddledan> ergh
[20:16] <foobarry> ugh, forgot i hadn't watched the last half hour of "internets own boy"
[20:16] <foobarry> chromecast ftw
[20:18] <diddledan> +1
[20:18] <diddledan> I love my chromecast
[20:19] <diddledan> best 30£ spent in the last year
[20:19] <foobarry> 2nd best after last fridays chinese takeaway
[20:19] <foobarry> its not £30 for me because i will now finally buy a nas
[20:20] <foobarry> its chromecasts fault
[20:20] <diddledan> lol
[20:20] <diddledan> yeah I want a nas
[20:22] <diddledan> I'm thinking I want a normal pc to do it though rather than an embedded device - like a microserver vs synology
[20:25] <foobarry> it was a very close call
[20:36] <foobarry> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/378232716/inkcase-plus-e-ink-screen-for-android-phone


[14:46] <petersdf> I am a newbe both to Ubuntu and Chat BUT I need Help installing drivers
[14:48] <petersdf> I have a wireless RaLink RT2870 with the linux drivers downloaded to my desktop. can you help me in installing these drivers ?
[14:52] <petersdf> where to put them and permissions etc.


[00:01] <ubotu> New bug: #183655 in update-manager (main) "Partial Upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183655
[00:01] <ubotu> New bug: #183656 in kde-guidance (main) "Cancel button in kde-guidance-powermanager doesn't do anything" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183656
[00:01] <ubotu> New bug: #183658 in obexpushd (universe) "Receiving files from cell phone does not work." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183658
[00:08] <subterrific> bdmurray: i gave writing a test case a try, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/177114 did i do that right?
[00:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177114 in openoffice.org "Openoffice toolbars have a confusing behavior when moved from default location" [Undecided,New]
[00:13] <subterrific> bdmurray: cool, that fixed the screencast too
[00:13] <bdmurray> subterrific: the format of the test case looks great I'm just drawing to follow the steps
[00:16] <ubotu> New bug: #183659 in file-roller (main) "Dragging file from File Roller to root Nautilus fails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183659
[00:16] <bdmurray> trying even
[00:17] <subterrific> bdmurray: k, i've uploaded a screencast now too so you can watch from the comfort of your couch
[00:17] <bdmurray> subterrific: awesome, maybe I'll be able to figure out how to do it then
[00:21] <bdmurray> subterrific: I see I was putting them on the side so they didn't disappear like that
[00:22] <bdmurray> subterrific: you could change the bug's status to confirmed too
[00:29] <subterrific> bdmurray: done
[00:30] <ubotu> New bug: #183663 in kvm (universe) "kvm installation and uninstallation failure" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183663
[00:31] <ubotu> New bug: #183661 in libmail-box-perl (universe) "FTBFS in Gutsy/Feisty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183661
[00:35] <bdmurray> subterrific: did you say you are using a hardy vm?  do you have gutsy around at all?
[00:35] <ubotu> New bug: #183664 in texlive-extra (main) "randtext.sty requires random.tex, which is not installed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183664
[00:35] <subterrific> bdmurray: i have a gutsy vm that hasn't been updated it a while
[00:36] <bdmurray> I was just reading comment 2 again where they talk about the position not being remembered at all but I don't think it is a critical issue.
[00:37] <subterrific> bdmurray: right, i couldn't figure out if it really wasn't being remembered or if it was just confusion
[00:38] <bdmurray> right and they seem to be on Gutsy but I think that bit of it is kind of moot
[01:08] <subterrific> bdmurray: there is no "waiting followup info" status anymore?
[01:09] <bdmurray> subterrific: that is what Incomplete is for
[01:11] <blackranger211> hello
[01:11] <subterrific> bdmurray: k
[01:12] <extra> hello
[01:12] <extra> I've got what seems to be a juicy one, but I'm rusty on how to file a bug.  I did a dist-upgrade, it completed, but borked up some stuff.  Mainly, my locale has been unset and my language packs seem to have been uninstalled, if that makes any sense
[01:13] <extra> I'd be willing to show you guys some logs if someone could point me in the right direction
[01:15] <blackranger211> i'd like to know some information on a bug if anyone has some help they can give
[01:15] <extra> I mean, I know how to file a bug, but I don't know which files would be most helpful to attach in the bug report
[01:15] <extra> ... for this particular problem
[01:15] <bdmurray> extra: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUpdateManager has what you are looking for probably
[01:16] <blackranger211> I just bought a sony vaio and put ubuntu on it. It has a wireless switch that wont turn on even when it's in the on position
[01:17] <blackranger211> so the wireless card remains dead
[01:17] <bdmurray> extra: It has information about the files to add to your bug report about update-manager
[01:17] <blackranger211> even ndiswrapper doesn't work for this
[01:17] <bdmurray> blackranger211: which release of Ubuntu did you put on it?
[01:17] <blackranger211> 7.10
[01:18] <extra> bdmurray: thank you very much.. that page is indeed informative.. but, would that also apply if I used sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ??
[01:19] <keescook> calc: I work on inkscape now and then, yup.
[01:19] <extra> bdmurray: perhaps I shouldn't have done that command after the update manager exited with an error, reporting that "could not calculate upgrade" but I don't know
[01:19] <calc> keescook: ok
[01:20] <calc> keescook: fix its clipboard feature... ;-)
[01:20] <keescook> calc: what brings it up?
[01:20] <keescook> hah
[01:20] <calc> keescook: assuming it doesn't work, i have no idea actually
[01:20] <keescook> sure, send a patch.  :)
[01:20] <calc> keescook: we were talking about apps not supporting the new fdo clipboard spec that gnome uses, which causes their copied items to disappear after the app is closed
[01:20] <blackranger211> got any idea bdmurray?
[01:21] <keescook> calc: aah.  is there bug open for it?
[01:21] <bdmurray> blackranger211: try Hardy Alpha 3 as it has a different kernel version
[01:21] <bdmurray> blackranger211: you should be able to test that feature via the livecd
[01:21] <bdmurray> extra: the same logs would be helpful
[01:21] <blackranger211> what's hardy alpha 3?
[01:21] <subterrific> extra: if you forced an upgrade, you'll probably need to do a bunch of manual stuff and it might not be a bug so much as hardy being in a constant state of development
[01:22] <bdmurray> blackranger211: see http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/
[01:22] <calc> keescook: not sure
[01:22] <calc> subterrific: see keescook he is inkscape upstream
[01:22] <bdmurray> Is the alpha version of the next release of Ubuntu
[01:22] <calc> keescook: subterrific was working on the bug earlier but not specifically wrt inkscape
[01:22] <subterrific> calc: which bug?
[01:23] <keescook> calc: okay.  well, ironically, I just discovered that either gtk or gcc changes (very recently) cause inkscape to FTBFS on hardy now.  :P
[01:23] <calc> subterrific: the one about clipboards
[01:23] <calc> keescook: fun! :)
[01:23] <subterrific> calc: wrong guy, wasn't me :)
[01:23] <calc> subterrific: oh hmm
[01:23]  * calc looks in scrollback
[01:24] <calc> ah
[01:24] <calc> saivann: ping
[01:24] <calc> saivann: see keescook
[01:24] <calc> subterrific: you both had nicks starting with s ;-)
[01:24] <subterrific> very confusing i know
[01:24] <saivann> calc : Concerning the bug about gnome clipboard?
[01:24] <calc> saivann: yes
[01:25] <calc> saivann: assuming inkscape doesn't work right wrt gnome clipboard you could talk to keescook about it :)
[01:25] <blackranger211> bdmurray, would this be ok? PC (Intel x86) alternate install CD
[01:26] <mgunes> hi all
[01:26] <bdmurray> blackranger211: the alternate CD does not have a live destkop environment
[01:26] <extra> looks like some people ended up with their locales unset after upgrading in prior releases... not sure if there's a clean solution listed though
[01:26] <blackranger211> bdmurray, the others say desktop, would that still work?
[01:27] <saivann> calc : Did you test if this bug happens with inkscape as well? I didn't yet
[01:27] <mgunes> I could use some help determining the status of bug #183659
[01:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183659 in file-roller "Dragging file from File Roller to root Nautilus fails" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183659
[01:27] <bdmurray> blackranger211: yes, the desktop CD provides a "live" desktop session where you can test ubuntu
[01:27] <blackranger211> ok thanks
[01:28] <calc> saivann: nope, someone mentioned inkscape, i don't know if it is affected
[01:28] <calc> keescook: so note i don't know that there is even a bug or not ;)
[01:29] <bdmurray> mgunes: I'm reading
[01:29] <mgunes> bdmurray, thanks
[01:29] <saivann> calc : Thanks, I just looked and Inkscape is one of the smart application that doesn't has this bug :)
[01:30] <calc> saivann: ah ok
[01:30] <saivann> keescook : I just looked and clipboard works for inkscape even when the program is closed, bug like bug #21202 seems to be already fixed in that program
[01:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 21202 in firefox "firefox doesn't work with gtk clipboard management" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21202
[01:30] <extra> ah, it's starting to make sense.. I'm unable to install language-support-en, which depends on openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb, which "is not going to be installed" according to apt-get... which must have been why openoffice was grayed out in in my update manager prior to my dist-upgrade
[01:30] <bdmurray> extra: that's bug 181762
[01:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181762 in update-manager "[Hardy] update-manager could not calculate the upgrade due to openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181762
[01:30] <calc> saivann: it might be a good example program to see what it does to work for the other programs
[01:31] <calc> extra: i'm working on that one right now
[01:31] <extra> ah, k
[01:31] <calc> <- ooo guy
[01:31] <bdmurray> you can work around it via synaptic though
[01:31] <saivann> calc : This one and gedit both works, yes. But it's still not the case of most programs, I'll start working on this and triage bugs for each programs
[01:31] <subterrific> extra: in a case like that you can usually do: aptitude install openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb
[01:31] <bdmurray> mgunes: I don't think that is a valid use case
[01:32] <calc> grr still failed after making some changes :-\
[01:32] <subterrific> extra: to force an install of a depend
[01:32] <saivann> calc : Anyway, thanks for your help on this :)
[01:32] <calc> saivann: no problem :)
[01:32] <extra> subterrific: so, I should just use aptitude all the time then, huh :)
[01:32]  * calc wonders what is causing it to still fail to build l10n package
[01:33] <mgunes> bdmurray, I was led to think that it was, since there are plans to employ policykit to escalate privileges in such operations. do you think it's not valid specifically because the directory is owned by root (i.e. not another regular user)?
[01:33] <subterrific> extra: well apt-get install, aptitude install they do pretty much the same thing ;)
[01:33] <bdmurray> keescook: have you looked at policykit much?
[01:34]  * calc uses dselect :-)
[01:34] <extra> subterrific: oh, but aptitude will fix said problem and apt-get won't?? oh, wait.. I think I see what you mean... just manually install it
[01:34] <extra> right?
[01:37] <bdmurray> mgunes: I'm not aware of the plans regarding policykit but it seems like that could work.
[01:39] <extra> this is weird.. so, I had synaptic applying an upgrade, but I forgot about it and I did a 'sudo aptitude install openoffice.org-l10n-blahblah' and, appropriately, it cried saying it couldn't get a lock on /var/lib/dpkg/lock .. but then, surprisingly, it went on to do the installation
[01:39] <mgunes> bdmurray, let's keep it confirmed then
[01:40] <extra> well, it looks like synaptic failed it's upgrade and aptitude came in and bumped it out of the lock
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #183668 in ubuntu "Wine Looking for Internet Explorer when its not to be found" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183668
[01:43] <extra> but aptitude went on to say that all of the openoffice packages are broken, and to complete the operation 97 MB will be freed, removing 13 openoffice packages, python-uno, and ubuntu-desktop...
[01:44] <subterrific> extra: yes i just meant to manually install
[01:44] <extra> it asks to accept this solution, etc.. then it has a new slew of messages, looks like basically the same thing, but now it says 290MB will be freed
[01:45]  * extra is reticent to accept this solution
[01:45] <extra> removing the "ubuntu-desktop" package sounds risky
[01:46] <RAOF> Good call :)
[01:46]  * extra wipes his brow
[01:46] <extra> I knew it wasn't the red wire!
[01:51] <ubotu> New bug: #183671 in usplash (main) "Race with drawing vs. vt switching" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183671
[01:55] <extra> well, I'm just going to leave it as is, until I find that a bunch of stuff is broken.. otherwise I'll just wait till final release and do a reinstall then
[02:10] <blackranger211> mdmurray?
[02:10] <blackranger211> bdmurray *
[02:10] <ubotu> New bug: #183672 in ubuntu "dpms can't blank display anymore" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183672
[02:15] <blackranger211> bdmurray i tried hardy alpha 3 and it didn't work out
[02:17] <ubotu> New bug: #183673 in gnome-system-tools (main) "Users-admin unlock not working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183673
[02:17] <ubotu> New bug: #183674 in ubuntu "Can not control level of bass through "volume control". Bass is too high and unchangeable." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183674
[02:21] <ubotu> New bug: #183675 in compiz (main) "Compiz Fusion Unusable w/ Intel GMA965" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183675
[02:24] <blackranger211> --evices/virtual/input/input3 , does this mean anyting to anyone?
[02:27] <blackranger211> actually suppose to say devices
[03:31] <ubotu> New bug: #183677 in ocp (universe) "[Sync Request Universe] ocp 1:0.1.15-1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183677
[03:31] <ubotu> New bug: #183679 in libgdiplus (main) "libgdiplus needs to be upgraded from version 1.2.5 to 1.2.6" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183679
[04:11] <ubotu> New bug: #183682 in acpi-support (main) "Add better behavior & fix for bluetooth with Lenovo Thinkpads (Code included)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183682
[04:25] <ubotu> New bug: #183684 in serpentine (universe) "serpentine crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183684
[04:35] <ubotu> New bug: #183516 in hugin (universe) "hugin crashed with SIGSEGV in wxListMainWindow::HighlightLine()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183516
[04:35] <ubotu> New bug: #183686 in alsa-driver (main) "Ensoniq 5880 is not recognized" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183686
[04:45] <parthan> if i find a same bug for 8.04 in 7.10 and 7.04, should i mark it as duplicate?
[04:54] <pochu> yes
[04:55] <parthan> pochu, thanks
[05:01] <ubotu> New bug: #183688 in sun-java5 (multiverse) "package sun-java5-doc 1.5.0-13-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: el subproceso post-installation script devolvió el código de salida de error 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183688
[05:25] <keescook> saivann: ah, score.  :)  thanks for checking.
[05:26] <keescook> bdmurray: no, haven't had time to look at policykit much -- i trust pitti's paranoid reviews, though.  :)
[05:31] <ubotu> New bug: #183691 in system-config-printer (main) "[GUI] Allow user to 'restart', 'stop' and 'start' /etc/init.d/cupsys via system-config-printer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183691
[05:31] <saivann> keescook : np :)
[06:00] <ubotu> New bug: #183692 in totem (main) "Audio goes out of sync with video" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183692
[06:15] <ubotu> New bug: #183693 in grub (main) "Grub Upgrade procedure Overwrites Menu.lst" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183693
[06:40] <ubotu> New bug: #183698 in openvpn (universe) "main inclusion report" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183698
[07:00] <ubotu> New bug: #183699 in totem (main) "Does Totem work or is there something that works." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183699
[07:04] <subterrific> hmm
[07:05] <subterrific> bdmurray: what should the tag be for a bug dealing with the OO API?d
[07:05] <subterrific> ooo-base ?
[07:25] <ubotu> New bug: #183701 in evince (main) "Printing a ps file prints source code" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183701
[07:26] <ubotu> New bug: #183700 in openoffice.org (main) "OpenOffice.org isn't able to calculate wildcards in MS excel sheets" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183700
[07:50] <ubotu> New bug: #183702 in vmware-player-kernel-2.6.15 "vmware-player-kernel-modules-2.6.15-51 missing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183702
[07:50] <ubotu> New bug: #183703 in ubuntu "［麦克风没声音］主板集成Intel声卡ICH7其他声音正常，但是麦克风没声音" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183703
[07:55] <LucidFox> o_O
[07:55] <LucidFox> All I understood was "Intel" and "ICH7". :/
[08:00] <parthan> heh
[08:01] <ubotu> New bug: #183706 in deluge-torrent (universe) "deluge cannot init on hardy alpha 3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183706
[08:01] <parthan> LucidFox, check now, translated to English and added
[08:41] <ubotu> New bug: #183707 in acpi-support (main) "Add ioctl error checking & close file descriptor in acpi_fake" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183707
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #173367 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "Xorg crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173367
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #183709 in update-manager (main) "update-manager" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183709
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #183710 in network-manager-applet (main) "ubuntu hardy network settings unlock error" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183710
[09:05] <ubotu> New bug: #183711 in avahi (main) "When eth0 is set to static IP or DHCP then eth0:avahi looses its IP and local connection is lost" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183711
[09:10] <ubotu> New bug: #183713 in munin (universe) "main inclusion report" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183713
[09:22] <ubotu> New bug: #183714 in libpam-radius-auth (universe) "main inclusion report" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183714
[09:26] <ubotu> New bug: #183715 in kopete (main) "Kopete crashes GNOME when trying to view incoming message" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183715
[09:41] <ubotu> New bug: #183719 in pam-p11 (universe) "main inclusion report" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183719
[09:42] <ubotu> New bug: #183716 in xorg (main) "cpu load jumps to 40% when copying to usb-flash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183716
[09:48] <ubotu> New bug: #183720 in linux-meta (main) "acpi should be enabled by default for kvm guest" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183720
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #183721 in thunderbird (main) "Scrolling by mouse wheel produce a crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183721
[10:11] <ubotu> New bug: #183722 in f-spot (main) "FTBFS: f-spot 0.4.1-4ubuntu1" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183722
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #183724 in libpam-mount (universe) "main inclusion report" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183724
[10:26] <ubotu> New bug: #183725 in libpam-krb5 (universe) "main inclusion report" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183725
[10:35] <ubotu> New bug: #183727 in kvm (universe) "gfxboot shows black screen with current hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183727
[10:51] <ubotu> New bug: #183729 in ubuntu "utmp not cleared on tty logout" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183729
[10:52] <gary4gar> i need some help with bug #183730
[10:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183730 in ubuntu "Wireless Connection does not connect automactically in notebook" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183730
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #183730 in ubuntu "Wireless Connection does not connect automactically in notebook" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183730
[10:59] <parthan> gary4gar, and be more formal in bug report, do not use :P or suck etc..
[11:00] <gary4gar> parthan, okay, will remember from next time :)
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #183731 in ubiquity (main) "Installation Gutsy (7.10) with kde4 failed." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183731
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #183733 in openoffice.org (main) "find/replace for formatting a regular expression won't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183733
[11:01] <ubotu> New bug: #183734 in kdeartwork-kde4 (universe) "kdeartwork-kde4 package broken due to unavailable dependencies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183734
[11:05] <ubotu> New bug: #183736 in firefox-3.0 (universe) "On first launch of firefox-3.0, some HTTP authentication dialogs are missing text" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183736
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #183735 in gtimer (universe) "Please sync gtimer 1.1.6-12  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183735
[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #183662 in gnome-panel (main) "you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.  HELP!!!" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183662
[11:51] <Iuli> Hiya!
[11:59] <Kmos> !meeting
[11:59] <ubotu> Team meetings are held in #ubuntu-meeting - See « /msg ubotu logs » for transcripts.
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #183746 in ubuntu "Hardy Heron Live CD boots but with incorrect graphics mode on Vaio PCG-SRX51P/B" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183746
[12:26] <ubotu> New bug: #181212 in compiz (main) "[hardy] compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181212
[12:26] <ubotu> New bug: #183685 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183685
[12:26] <ubotu> New bug: #183696 in nautilus (main) "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183696
[12:26] <ubotu> New bug: #183750 in update-manager (main) "update-manager connects to obsolete proxy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183750
[12:27] <ubotu> New bug: #183690 in vinagre (main) "vinagre crashed with SIGSEGV in setcontext()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183690
[12:27] <ubotu> New bug: #183748 in ubuntu "Hardy Heron Live CD fails to boot on AJP M3000N" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183748
[12:33] <ubotu> New bug: #183068 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183068
[12:34] <ubotu> New bug: #181937 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV in XKeysymToKeycode()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181937
[12:41] <ubotu> New bug: #181217 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with signal 7 in eventLoop()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181217
[12:43] <TheMuso> c
[12:43] <TheMuso> ugh
[12:43] <ubotu> New bug: #181160 in compiz (main) "Compiz crash?" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181160
[12:47] <ubotu> New bug: #183647 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV after hibernation and going to screensaver" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183647
[12:49] <ubotu> New bug: #183751 in evolution (main) "evolution doesn't download mail" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183751
[12:52] <ubotu> New bug: #180242 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180242
[12:52] <ubotu> New bug: #180265 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV in strcmp()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180265
[12:52] <ubotu> New bug: #180537 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV in XCloseDisplay() (dup-of: 175428)" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180537
[12:52] <ubotu> New bug: #183752 in rt2400 (universe) "PC11B2  (RT2400) LOW - GUTSY" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183752
[12:52] <ubotu> New bug: #183754 in hal (main) "NV5MGA (RIVA TNT2 MODEL 64 PRO) i can't use it." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183754
[12:52] <ubotu> New bug: #183755 in language-selector (main) "language and region in language support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183755
[12:52] <ubotu> New bug: #183756 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183756
[12:52] <XiXaQ> Hello everyone. I'm currently working on identifying evolution bugs. I'll report them on bugzilla, since that's where upstream has its bugtracker. The question is, should I report it on launchpad too with a link to the bug on bugzilla?
[12:53] <ubotu> New bug: #178622 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178622
[12:53] <ubotu> New bug: #179479 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179479
[12:53] <ubotu> New bug: #179633 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV in eventLoop() (dup-of: 179801)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179633
[12:53] <ubotu> New bug: #179801 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV in eventLoop()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179801
[12:53] <ubotu> New bug: #180071 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV in groupGetStretchRectangle()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180071
[12:53] <ogra> XiXaQ, that totally depends, bugs that are caused by packaging shouldnt go upstream ... the others indeed may be linked to bugzilla
[12:54] <XiXaQ> how do I know if it's caused by packaging?
[12:54] <ogra> well :)
[12:54] <seb128> XiXaQ: report upstream only, we don't have the ressources to do their work
[12:54] <ogra> either by looking at the code and finding it out yourself or by talking to someone who knows the package :)
[12:55] <seb128> XiXaQ: we have almost no evolution patch, it's not likely issues there will be distro specific
[12:55] <XiXaQ> ogra, there isn't any typical symptoms?
[12:55] <ogra> XiXaQ, seb128 cares for evo, so do what he says
[12:55] <ogra> XiXaQ, dependency probs during package updates/install would be a very likely candidate ...
[12:56] <seb128> XiXaQ: what we do with evolution bugs is only to send valid ones on bugzilla so no need to open those on launchpad
[12:56] <ubotu> New bug: #175543 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175543
[12:56] <XiXaQ> seb128, yes, that's why I'm asking. By reporting it to launchpad too, I was thinking it could reduce the workload.
[12:56] <ubotu> New bug: #176451 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176451
[12:56] <XiXaQ> seb128, oh, so you don't check if it's already filed on bugzilla before reporting it?
[12:56] <seb128> XiXaQ: what workload? we will just add an upstream watch and it'll increase the list of bugs and make working on it harder
[12:56] <seb128> XiXaQ: we do, why?
[12:58] <XiXaQ> seb128, well, if someone files a bug on launchpad that I've already filed on bugzilla, then someone would have to go to bugzilla, see if the bug is already reported, etc. If I file a bug on launchpad too, with a link to bugzilla, then I was thinking it'd be easier to know that you don't have to.
[12:58] <seb128> you assume that people would look over the hundred of evolution bugs before sending theirs
[12:58] <seb128> that's usually not the case
[12:58] <seb128> those who know enough about that usually file their bugs upstream directly
[12:59] <XiXaQ> hmm. That's what I asked.. If you check to see that the bug isn't already filed on bugzilla?
[12:59] <seb128> I don't understand the question
[12:59] <seb128> when I file a bug I send it on bugzilla and look if the issue has already been reported there
[12:59] <seb128> when we forward launchpad bugs we do the same
[13:00] <seb128> if you open a bug on bugzilla no need to open it on launchpad as well though
[13:00] <XiXaQ> well, it's normal for users of ubuntu to file bugs on launchpad. If that's a duplicate of a bug I've already filed on bugzilla, wouldn't it be easier to detect that if I'd also reported it on launchpad?
[13:00] <seb128> because the only thing we will do is to add a watch to the upstream bug
[13:00] <seb128> if we wanted every upstream bug on launchpad we would import bugzilla
[13:00] <pedro_> XiXaQ: we already do that
[13:00] <pedro_> check for dups on LP then bugzilla...
[13:01] <seb128> wehn somebody add a bug on launchpad we look upstream if the issue is listed
[13:01] <XiXaQ> pedro_, right. If I stated in a bugreport on launchpad that this bug has already been filed there, then you'd only have to find the duplicate in launchpad?
[13:01] <seb128> when it's there we add a bug watch
[13:01] <seb128> otherwise we sent it to bugzilla
[13:02] <seb128> XiXaQ: that's not clear
[13:02] <XiXaQ> what is not clear, my description?
[13:02] <seb128> you suggest creating a launchpad bug for every bugzilla bug to make possible to use only launchpad to find duplicates?
[13:02] <XiXaQ> no. My bugs.
[13:03] <seb128> how your bugs are different of the bugs from an another user?
[13:03] <XiXaQ> well, those automatic bugs, for instance. They don't have the level of detail that my bugs will have, because I've spent hours learning as much as possible about them.
[13:04] <seb128> right
[13:04] <seb128> but what I say is that we don't have the ressources to do evolution hacking
[13:04] <seb128> so we will just copy your bug on bugzilla
[13:04] <XiXaQ> no, you'll search for duplicates on launchpad, then on bugzilla, if I understand correctly?
[13:04] <seb128> if you can file it directly there we don't have to copy and it's less work for everybody
[13:05] <seb128> right, we don't send duplicates
[13:05] <seb128> but if you file it upstream we will not have anything to do on launchpad
[13:05] <seb128> which is less work for everybody when the issue is an upstream one
[13:06] <seb128> no need to search on launchpad, no need to open 2 bugs, no need to update the launchpad bug when upstream update theirs
[13:06] <XiXaQ> ok, then if I file a bug on bugzilla. Another user comes along and files a duplicate bug on launchpad. You'll search through launchpad and won't find any. You'll then search through bugzilla and find mine. If I filed the same bug on launchpad too, then the second step could've been skipped.
[13:06] <ubotu> New bug: #183757 in kdeaddons (main) "kicker-applet "Media Control" player set to noatun, not amarok" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183757
[13:06] <seb128> right
[13:06] <seb128> though I search on bugzilla first because it's easier to find duplicates there than on launchpad
[13:06] <XiXaQ> heh, I feel like I'm making at least some sense of sense :)
[13:06] <XiXaQ> oh, ok.
[13:06] <seb128> I often search on bugzilla to find launchpad bug numbers
[13:07] <seb128> and your case is a win when somebody else file a duplicate of your issue
[13:07] <seb128> but most of the bugs have no duplicate
[13:07] <seb128> so it creates extra mails and work on hundred of bugs only in case a few there would get duplicates
[13:09] <XiXaQ> I see.
[13:10] <seb128> open on launchpad bugs we should consider for the next ubuntu though
[13:10] <seb128> so we know about those
[13:10] <XiXaQ> hmm?
[13:10] <seb128> but no need to file small issues or wishlist there we don't have the ressources to work on those
[13:10] <seb128> if you have a bug that is really annoying, open it also on launchpad
[13:10] <seb128> so we can milestone it
[13:11] <seb128> and make sure to work with upstream to get it fixed for hardy
[13:11] <seb128> we don't have the ressources to work on small issues
[13:11] <seb128> but we try making sure the software is usuable
[13:12] <seb128> does it make sense to you?
[13:12] <ubotu> New bug: #183759 in elisa (universe) "Please update Elisa to latest version (0.3.3)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183759
[13:12] <XiXaQ> so no wishlist bugs, but real errors should be filed?
[13:13] <seb128> in doubt open it on launchpad and mention the upstream bug number if there is one
[13:13] <seb128> that's not easier to explain the limit
[13:13] <seb128> there is some sort of bugs we want to fix before a stable
[13:14] <seb128> crashers which happens for lot of users is one example
[13:15] <XiXaQ> right. That automatic chrash report thingy.. I don't remember what it's called. Are those compared automatically, or is each handled manually?
[13:15] <seb128> apport
[13:15] <XiXaQ> right.
[13:15] <seb128> it does automatic debug retracing and duplicates closing
[13:18] <XiXaQ> I see.
[13:29] <ubotu> New bug: #183761 in ubuntu "reported to http://www.protonic.com  "getting error message installing computertemp"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183761
[13:31] <ubotu> New bug: #183762 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "mysqldumpslow doesn't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183762
[13:35] <ubotu> New bug: #178268 in gnome-vfs2 "gnome-vfs-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178268
[13:56] <ubotu> New bug: #183764 in procmeter3 (universe) "Please sync procmeter3 3.5a-3  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183764
[13:56] <ubotu> New bug: #183766 in language-pack-cs (main) "Nové návrhy na překlad gcompris" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183766
[14:00] <ubotu> New bug: #183768 in spacechart (universe) "Please sync spacechart 0.9.5-14  (universe) from Debian unstable	(main)." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183768
[14:01] <ubotu> New bug: #183760 in vim (main) "Changing font size in a maximized window doesn't recalculate usable area" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183760
[14:01] <ubotu> New bug: #183767 in linux-source-2.6.22 "HP/CPQ SmartArray driver outdated (CCISS)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183767
[14:06] <ubotu> New bug: #183769 in openoffice.org-l10n (main) "Hardy: dependency on openoffice.org-common is too tight" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183769
[14:26] <LucidFox> When I'm closing an incomplete bug per submitter request, what should I set it to?
[14:26] <LucidFox> (For some reason, the submitted didn't close it themself but merely asked for it)
[14:27]  * persia tends to use Invalid
[14:27] <LucidFox> My first thought was Invalid as well. Thanks!
[14:27] <Kmos> me too.. Invalid in that case
[14:28] <ubotu> New bug: #183771 in ubuntu "Unresolved dependencies when installing ubuntu-desktop from hardy server alpha 3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183771
[14:28] <ubotu> New bug: #183772 in kdebase-kde4 (universe) "package kdebase-data-kde4 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1 failed to install/upgrade: intentando sobreescribir `/usr/lib/kde4/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.kde.FavIcon.xml', que está también en el paquete konqueror-kde4" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183772
[14:28] <ubotu> New bug: #183774 in vzctl (universe) "please sync vzctl-3.0.22 from debian" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183774
[14:28] <ubotu> New bug: #183775 in vzctl (universe) "please sync vzquota-3.0.11 from debian" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183775
[14:31] <ubotu> New bug: #183776 in ubuntu "gnome session fails to start after upgrading from 7.10 to 8.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183776
[14:37] <ubotu> New bug: #183770 in pidgin (main) "messenger is not getting enabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183770
[14:38] <LucidFox> Okay, f-spot is down from 80+ to 68 bugs.
[14:38] <Kmos> LucidFox: that's good =)
[15:15] <ubotu> New bug: #183782 in meta-kde4 (universe) "Wishlist: More KDE4 Keyboard Shortcuts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183782
[15:25] <ubotu> New bug: #183786 in dillo (universe) "Please sync dillo 0.8.6-1  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183786
[15:50] <ubotu> New bug: #183789 in ubuntu "Exploration files is not responding force quit all'infinito" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183789
[15:50] <ubotu> New bug: #183790 in compiz (main) "Strange window borders with compiz and X3100 (Hardy Alpha 3)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183790
[15:51] <ubotu> New bug: #183788 in ubuntu "unable to unlock services settings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183788
[15:56] <ubotu> New bug: #183792 in xchat-gnome (main) "Problem with Nick Colors" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183792
[16:11] <ubotu> New bug: #183796 in linux (main) "iwl4965 unusable: packet loss, slow network" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183796
[16:11] <ubotu> New bug: #183798 in gnome-power-manager (main) "[hardy] gnome-power-manager shows 4 batteries instead of 2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183798
[16:11] <ubotu> New bug: #183799 in strongswan (universe) "strongSwan could not be installed properly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183799
[16:16] <ubotu> New bug: #183800 in kdebase-kde4 (universe) "cannot lock KDE 4 desktop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183800
[16:20] <ubotu> New bug: #183802 in opera (partner) "opera doesn't start" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183802
[16:21] <ubotu> New bug: #183801 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] FreeNX" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183801
[16:46] <ubotu> New bug: #183804 in gnome-system-tools (main) "(time-admin:30304): Gtk-WARNING **: <accessibility> is being ignored, see http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=454653" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183804
[16:51] <ubotu> New bug: #183805 in ubuntu "google earth install a failure in HH alpfa3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183805
[16:51] <ubotu> New bug: #183806 in k3b (main) "error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183806
[16:56] <ubotu> New bug: #183807 in initramfs-tools (main) "update-initramfs, wubi: bad check for read-only /boot partition" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183807
[17:16] <ubotu> New bug: #183809 in ubuntu "keystrokes are echoed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183809
[17:20] <ubotu> New bug: #183810 in vimoutliner (universe) "vim is not loading vimoutliner" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183810
[17:26] <ubotu> New bug: #183811 in perl (main) "Perl 5.8.7-10ubuntu1.1 breaks apt-cacher and possibly other software" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183811
[17:26] <bddebian> Boo
[17:32] <ubotu> New bug: #183813 in libraw1394 (main) "Debconf message should mention sudo, not root" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183813
[17:32] <ubotu> New bug: #183814 in libdisasm (universe) "Please sync libdisasm 0.23-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183814
[17:46] <ubotu> New bug: #183817 in meta-kde4 (universe) "FGLRX+AIGLX+KDE4: Bizarre Distortion" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183817
[17:50] <ubotu> New bug: #183818 in rt2500 (universe) "[FTBFS] rt2500 doesn't build on current hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183818
[17:50] <ubotu> New bug: #183819 in meta-kde4 (universe) "KDEInit says it can't launch konsole-KDE4 (but it does)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183819
[18:00] <ubotu> New bug: #183820 in update-manager (main) "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop fails because of missing files for evolution" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183820
[18:11] <ubotu> New bug: #183822 in librpc-xml-perl (main) "Can't use Apache::RPC::Server - missing dependancy Apache.pm" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183822
[18:11] <ubotu> New bug: #183825 in rhythmbox (main) "rythmbox switching radio streams brings up error "Couldn't start playback: Unknown playback error"" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183825
[18:12] <ubotu> New bug: #183797 in rhythmbox "rhythmbox crashed with SIGSEGV in rhythmdb_entry_allocate()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183797
[18:16] <ubotu> New bug: #183826 in coreutils (main) "wrong translation for "cannot set niceness"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183826
[18:21] <ubotu> New bug: #183829 in ubuntu "Needs packaging: yakuake-kde4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183829
[18:26] <ubotu> New bug: #183830 in kdeartwork-kde4 (universe) "When Changing FireworkX (Maybe others) Screensaver settings via System Settings the changes are forgotton." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183830
[18:30] <ubotu> New bug: #183832 in zd1211 (universe) "doesn't build with module-assistant" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183832
[18:33] <bdmurray> thekorn: ping
[18:34] <thekorn> bdmurray, hi
[18:35] <bdmurray> thekorn: hello!  I'm trying to write a clue file for bug 182130 but I am running into some issues with the package name and I'm not certain if it is me ;)
[18:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182130 in libflickrnet "package libflickrnet2.1.5-cil 25277-5 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182130
[18:36] <bdmurray> I tried using the package libflickrnet and libflickrnet2.1.5-cil
[18:37] <bdmurray> libflickrnet reported no bugs found and libflickrnet2.1.5-cil said it did not exist in ubuntu
[18:37] <thekorn> let me check
[18:37] <bdmurray> thanks!
[18:38] <thekorn> och
[18:39] <thekorn> bdmurray, there is no open bug in libflickrnet in ubuntu
[18:40] <thekorn> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libflickrnet/+bugs
[18:40] <bdmurray> oh, bug 182130 is fix released
[18:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182130 in libflickrnet "package libflickrnet2.1.5-cil 25277-5 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182130
[18:41] <thekorn> yes
[18:42] <bdmurray> so libflickrnet is right, maybe "No bugs found" when used with bugnumbers and not -C should say "No open bugs found"
[18:43] <bdmurray> Does that make sense?
[18:44] <thekorn> maybe changing "No bugs found" into "No bugs matching this query found" would make even more sense
[18:45] <bdmurray> Okay, I think reminding users that the default is to search only open bugs would be useful too
[18:46] <thekorn> bdmurray, then lets do it like launchpad:
[18:47] <thekorn> "There are currently no open bugs." as default
[18:47] <thekorn> "No results for search" for more complex queries
[18:48] <bdmurray> thekorn: sounds great!
[18:53] <bdmurray> thekorn: on a related note - do clue files support a minbug parameter?
[18:54] <thekorn> bdmurray, no
[18:54] <bdmurray> hmm, that seems unnecessary really
[18:54] <thekorn> we can only add boolean options
[18:54] <bdmurray> you could do the same thing with bughelper -p foo -m
[18:55] <thekorn> yes
[18:56] <bdmurray> okay, thanks for the help!
[19:01] <ubotu> New bug: #183837 in ktorrent-kde4 (universe) "ktorrent-kde4 tracks the wrong source tree, upstream version." [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183837
[19:01] <ubotu> New bug: #183838 in scorched3d (universe) "Please sync scorched3d (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183838
[19:04] <thekorn> bdmurray, fixed in rev235 of bughelper's text.dev
[19:05] <Iuli> Is it necessary to change the source package if it's not the right one when we mark the bug as duplicate?
[19:07] <subterrific> calc: ping
[19:09] <calc> subterrific: pong
[19:09] <ubotu> New bug: #183839 in linux (main) "USB file transfers extremely slow and eventually cause kernel freezes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183839
[19:09] <subterrific> calc: i'm looking at a bug that says some OO APIs are wm
[19:10] <subterrific> missing
[19:11] <subterrific> from the ubuntu version that in the official release. is this something you know about?,
[19:11] <calc> subterrific: bug number?
[19:11] <calc> subterrific: i know some of the sdk is missing due to dfsg issues (aiui)
[19:11] <subterrific> 181700
[19:12] <subterrific> i had the reporter list the oo packages in case he was missing one
[19:12] <calc> let me look up the info about what was gutted
[19:12] <subterrific> thats all i could think of
[19:13] <subterrific> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=85073 has 2 snippets of code that don't work in ubuntu version
[19:13] <subterrific> one java, one basic
[19:13] <ubotu> OpenOffice.org bug 85073 in api "Option AutoHScroll in css.awt.UnoControlEditModel crashed dialog" [Defect,Closed: worksforme]
[19:13] <ubotu> New bug: #183812 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV in cairo_surface_destroy()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183812
[19:13] <ubotu> New bug: #183840 in freeradius (universe) "please build with SSL/TLS enabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183840
[19:13] <ubotu> New bug: #183841 in pykaraoke (universe) "Midi with pykaraoke don't play" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183841
[19:13] <ubotu> New bug: #183842 in tomboy (main) ""write here your new note" not selected" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183842
[19:13] <ubotu> New bug: #183843 in dcc (universe) "[MoM SYNC] dcc 1.3.42-5" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183843
[19:14] <calc> subterrific: java is likely due to us not using official jdk (its nonfree and openjdk is still beta'ish)
[19:14] <calc> java should go away
[19:15] <subterrific> agreed
[19:15] <calc> but at least its finally getting close to being open
[19:15] <calc> 85073 uno stuff is java
[19:15] <ubotu> New bug: #183845 in compiz (main) "No Compiz after suspend or hybernate" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183845
[19:16] <calc> anything using uno may break since its not compiled with official sun jdk at this point
[19:16] <subterrific> even the basic code further down?
[19:16] <subterrific> in the comment
[19:16] <subterrific> ok
[19:16] <calc> subterrific: if you want to comment on the bug mention it will probably be fixed once we can use icedtea (maybe hardy or hardy+1)
[19:16] <subterrific> k
[19:17] <calc> subterrific: the basic one is still using uno which is java code
[19:17] <calc> subterrific: so its entirely possible uno is just fubar since it was compiled with gcj
[19:17] <calc> the only part of the ooo sdk removed was apparently the developer guide (docs)
[19:17] <subterrific> is that true of the python-uno stuff too?
[19:18] <calc> subterrific: afaik python uno is a python wrapper to the java code as well
[19:18] <calc> subterrific: anything using uno that crashes could easily be uno java compiler issues
[19:18] <calc> subterrific: especially if the bug is seen to be Ubuntu specific
[19:19] <calc> subterrific: if the bug shows up in the upstream version as well then it probably isn't a compiler related issue
[19:19] <calc> subterrific: if it shows up in upstream version though it is considered an upstream bug in any case, but overall what i am saying is the bug may just go away once we can use icedtea (openjdk) instead of gcj
[19:19] <subterrific> of the 2 uno bugs i've triaged, they're both ubuntu specific as far as i can tell from searching oo bugzilla
[19:20] <ubotu> New bug: #183844 in pidgin (main) "pidgin: Fatal IO error 10 (No child processes) on X server :0.0." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183844
[19:20] <subterrific> what should i mark these as? In Progress, is there a tag for pending-icedtea or something?
[19:20] <calc> icedtea is in hardy but its still in universe for now so we can't compile OOo with it yet
[19:21] <calc> subterrific: marking them as in progress should be fine and note on the report that this probably will be fixed once we can use the icedtea jdk
[19:21] <subterrific> ok
[19:22] <calc> so that once we have icedtea compiled debs we can go back and verify if it fixed the problem :)
[19:26] <ubotu> New bug: #183827 in ubiquity (main) "Installer crashed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183827
[19:36] <ubotu> New bug: #183846 in evolution (main) "google calendar source does not show all events" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183846
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #183848 in dpkg (main) "md5sums don't match installed files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183848
[19:45] <ubotu> New bug: #183849 in ubuntu "update to cvs version of screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183849
[19:50] <ubotu> New bug: #183851 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox not saving file info" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183851
[19:50] <ubotu> New bug: #183853 in bzr-svn "bzr status crash w/ svn checkout" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183853
[19:51] <ubotu> New bug: #183850 in policykit (main) "gnome-system-tools can't authenticate (dup-of: 183673)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183850
[20:00] <ubotu> New bug: #183859 in ubuntu "RAM upgrade (2x2GB RAM) on Kubuntu Gutsy Gibbon -> Not able to connect by IPW3945 WiFi" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183859
[20:00] <ubotu> New bug: #183860 in pam (main) "pam_cracklib.so doesn't work as it should? (minlen=N)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183860
[20:16] <ubotu> New bug: #183861 in ubuntu "'E:Malformed line 38 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse), E:The list of sources could not be read.'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183861
[20:27] <rbs-tito> bdmurray: What's this 60 day timr on incomplete bugs about?
[20:28] <rbs-tito> :o No bugs for half an hour
[20:29] <bdmurray> rbs-tito: I'm trying to find a good url
[20:30] <bdmurray> rbs-tito: here https://help.launchpad.net/BugExpiry
[20:30] <rbs-tito> Thank you :)
[20:31] <bdmurray> let me know if you have any specific questions
[20:31] <rbs-tito> That is a good idea
[20:31] <rbs-tito> Will Ubuntu be using the feature?
[20:33] <bdmurray> We are not using it yet and some package maintainers feel differently about it
[20:33] <bdmurray> So no bugs will automatically expire yet
[20:35] <rbs-tito> I think it would be nice
[20:38] <rbs-tito> Is there a command I can use to search the contents of a load of file to find a phrase?
[20:39] <bdmurray> grep
[20:40] <rbs-tito> ooh, I thought it could only handle single files
[20:40] <rbs-tito> Thanks
[20:41] <bdmurray> Maybe I didn't understand the question then but grep can do lots of things.
[20:41] <ubotu> New bug: #183866 in flpsed (universe) "flpsed doesn't work (either crashes or shows a blank page) in gutsy" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183866
[20:45] <ubotu> New bug: #183867 in gnome-utils (main) "the spanish dictionary of gnome-dictionary doesn't works" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183867
[20:48] <Iuli> Is it necessary to change the source package if it's not the right one when we mark the bug as duplicate?
[20:48] <Iuli> I think not, this is obvious anywya.
[20:49] <Iuli> s/anywya/anyway
[20:49] <bdmurray> No, not really however if the bug becomes unduplicated then someone might have to change the package
[20:49] <Iuli> Yea, thought so.
[20:49] <Iuli> Thanks.
[20:50] <ubotu> New bug: #183869 in ubuntu "[hardy] mouse is not working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183869
[20:50] <ubotu> New bug: #183871 in insserv (universe) "Please sync insserv 1.10.0-5 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183871
[20:55] <ubotu> New bug: #183872 in acpi-support (main) "resuming from suspend switches on wrong leds on a notebook" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183872
[21:01] <ubotu> New bug: #183874 in ubuntu "(Feisty) gThumb tries to show mp3, flv and wma files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183874
[21:01] <ubotu> New bug: #183876 in libquicktime (universe) "[MoM SYNC] libquicktime 1.0.0+debian-5" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183876
[21:16] <ubotu> New bug: #183877 in gnome-power-manager (main) "gnome-power-manager crashed with SIGSEGV in IA__g_cclosure_marshal_VOID__BOOLEAN()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183877
[21:16] <ubotu> New bug: #183878 in libxml (universe) "[MoM SYNC] libxml 1.8.17-14.1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183878
[21:16] <ubotu> New bug: #183879 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Performance issue with High Resolution Timer enabled kernel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183879
[21:16] <ubotu> New bug: #183880 in motion (universe) "[MoM SYNC] motion 3.2.9-1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183880
[21:25] <ubotu> New bug: #183882 in ubuntu "dependency problem with postgresql-8.2 install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183882
[21:36] <ubotu> New bug: #183883 in linux-meta (main) "hardy toshiba_acpi: Unknown parameter `hotkeys_over_acpi'" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183883
[21:42] <ubotu> New bug: #183884 in evince (main) "Document Viewer renders PDF text highlighting incorrectly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183884
[21:46] <ubotu> New bug: #183885 in xsel (universe) "Merge xsel 1.0.0-0 from Debian(Unstable)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183885
[21:46] <ubotu> New bug: #183886 in xine-lib (main) "XS-Vcs-Hg url in debian/control doesn't exist" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183886
[22:06] <ubotu> New bug: #183888 in ekiga (main) "Display images button: WebCam activates but does not [always] deactivate properly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183888
[22:15] <ubotu> New bug: #183889 in mono (main) "package libmono2.0-cil 1.2.6+dfsg-5ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: beroendeproblem - lämnar okonfigurerad" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183889
[22:26] <ubotu> New bug: #183891 in ekiga (main) "New issue in Gutsy: First call of the day crashes Ekiga" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183891
[22:41] <ubotu> New bug: #183892 in tomboy (main) "package tomboy 0.9.4-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183892
[22:55] <ubotu> New bug: #183894 in hal (main) "No me funciona mi tarjeta pci de tdt" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183894
[23:00] <ubotu> New bug: #183895 in mono-tools (main) "[hardy] Replace build-dependency on libxul-dev with xulrunner-1.9-dev" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183895
[23:00] <ubotu> New bug: #183896 in rhythmbox (main) "Inconsistent Rhythmbox "browse" behaviour" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183896
[23:00] <ubotu> New bug: #183898 in ubuntu "Please sync spectools 200710R2-1  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183898
[23:08] <pochu> geser: does mono-tools builds after changing the b-d to xulrunner-1.9 without any further changes? Because the other packages I've seen needed some patching to the build system
[23:10] <ubotu> New bug: #183900 in telepathy-sofiasip (universe) "Please sync telepathy-sofiasip 0.5.1-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183900
[23:10] <ubotu> New bug: #183901 in tomboy (main) "ssh synchronisation could default to current username" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183901
[23:15] <greg-g> Michigan LoCo Team bug jam starting...
[23:15] <jjesse> mmmm jam
[23:16] <ubotu> New bug: #183902 in tomboy (main) "error message when sshfs not installed could be better" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183902
[23:16] <ubotu> New bug: #183903 in ubuntu "Please sync gwyddion 2.9-3  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183903
[23:21] <ubotu> New bug: #183904 in update-manager (main) "Can only partially update" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183904
[23:21] <ubotu> New bug: #183905 in firefox-3.0 (universe) "constant HDD access in some webpages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183905
[23:25] <ubotu> New bug: #179399 in bluez-gnome (main) "bluetooth-properties crashed with signal 5 while adding HID device" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179399
[23:49] <joeKr> In Gutsy "Add/Remove" (all available applications), I have installed KPovModeler, which is a GUI for POVray, but I don't see the install checkbox for POVray itself.  Is there a FAQ on this?
[23:51] <bdmurray> joeKr: what exactly are looking for / trying to find out?
[23:53] <bdmurray> the process of installing kpovmodeler looks like it'll povray
[23:53] <joeKr> I want to install POVray (to go with KPovModeler), but I can't find the checkbox.  What do you recommend?
[23:53] <greg-g> bdmurray: so far we don't have any questions for you, the other presenter and I (and others) are doing pretty well answering questions
[23:54] <bdmurray> greg-g: great! I'd be interested in hearing about how it went or reading irc logs.
[23:55] <bdmurray> joeKr: it really seems to be that povray is probably already installed
[23:57] <joeKr> When I click "preview" on the default objects in KPovModeler, it error boxes: "Couldn't call povray. Please check your installation or set another povray command.", which makes sense if povray isn't installed.
[23:57] <joeKr> And povray does not show up on add/remove
[23:58] <joeKr> Or, if I was a command line type, how could I install just povray without installing KPovModeler?
[23:59] <greg-g> bdmurray: how often are bug hug days?
[23:59] <bdmurray> joeKr: try 'dpkg -l povray' to see if it is installed