[12:15] <stdin> sorush20: you can remove it by editing the /boot/grub/menu.lst file and remove "spalsh" from the boot options, you also get more info by removing "quiet"
[12:15] <Bahram> ok...thx.Will do.
[12:15] <sorush20> stdin: that is not to me
[12:15] <stdin> heh, sorush20 just realised that :P
[12:16] <stdin> sorush20: anyway, I don't use kontact, but you can ask in #kde
[12:16] <frojnd> arh, azureus statrs and than crashes: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3646/
[12:18] <stdin> frojnd: is that with sun java, or some other one?
[12:18] <frojnd> I am first seeing that it's with sun java
[12:18] <xyzk> Hmm can anyone help me with installing wine? Im newb in linux :/
[12:18] <frojnd> I thought azureus is just standalone bittorent client..
[12:19] <stdin> frojnd: it's a java app tho
[12:20] <stdin> xyzk: instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine
[12:20] <frojnd> stdin: what should I do?
[12:20] <frojnd> to make it work
[12:20] <xyzk> stidin: thank you
[12:21] <mena_> stdin, is there an extention for all compile files or wichthe one i choose  this file make with
[12:21] <stdin> frojnd: I haven't used azureus in ages, but I haven't seen that error before, there is apparently a crash report in hs_err_pid11079.log (probably in /tmp), maybe that will help
[12:23] <stdin> mena_: no, not really. What are you trying to compile ?
[12:23] <mena_> its a theme
[12:23] <mena_> syle
[12:23] <mena_> style
[12:24] <stdin> where did you get it from, (URL)?
[12:24] <mena_> seconed plz
[12:25] <frank___> how do I give access to X to all local users?  xhost + 'something'...
[12:25] <stdin> frank___: xhost +LOCAL:
[12:25] <frank___> stdin: heh I think you told me this already before ;)
[12:25] <mena_> stdin, here its is http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=52343
[12:26] <stdin> frank___: maybe :)
[12:26] <mena_> stdin, if you want to finish resolving pro with frank resolve it at first
[12:27] <slyfox> I have a problem with automatically turn of screen after 15 minutes. Sometiems it does sometimes it does not. Any ideas why not ?
[12:28] <NotWired> is it possible to install without formatting/losing what's on the disk?
[12:29] <Shak1> repartition your harddisk, unfortunately if you have a ntfs partition you must use propri. software . you want to install besides windows or besides linux?
[12:29] <NotWired> i want to install over my current install
[12:30] <NotWired> i just don't want to lose all my data and i've only got one partition
[12:30] <Shak1> update your repos and do a dist-upgrade
[12:30] <NotWired> i'm already on edgy... but the kdm won't work for me
[12:30] <Shak1> aha, whats with gdm?
[12:31] <NotWired> so i figure a reinstall is my only choice other than console login, startx and startkde
[12:31] <NotWired> when i try to login it just brings me right back to the login screen
[12:31] <sorush20> NotWired: did you try to install kdm again and ask for reconfigure
[12:32] <NotWired> yes sorush20
[12:32] <stdin> mena_: have you done a "sudo make install" yet ?
[12:32] <mena_> yes i done
[12:32] <sorush20> NotWired: did you try removing gdm
[12:32] <NotWired> sorush20: yes... still same thing
[12:32] <magnus_> how can i do php offline
[12:32] <NotWired> i've even --reinstall every package in kubuntu-desktop
[12:33] <sorush20> did you change the .conf file or did the installation ask you to chage the setting
[12:33] <Shak1> try to apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop   ; after that apt-get autoremove ; apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:33] <NotWired> i've tried that Shak1 :-(
[12:33] <NotWired> in my remove i've even tried --purge
[12:34] <NotWired> i'm at wits end... that's why i want to reinstall but would rather not lose all my data
[12:35] <sorush20> NotWired: there is a way to reconfigure kdm just search google for keywords reconfigure kdm gdm edgy
[12:35] <NotWired> okay, will try that sorush20
[12:36] <Shak1> sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[12:36] <NotWired> that i've done Shak1
[12:36] <NotWired> i've been on it for about a week and a half now :-)
[12:36] <Shak1> mhh
[12:37] <stdin> mena_: this should be a list of all the files installed http://pastebin.ca/334895
[12:37] <mena_> okay
[12:37] <frojnd> I'm trying to install fluxtorrent: What is the password for the administrative account with which this package should create its MySQL database and user?
[12:37] <frojnd> my user pass?
[12:38] <slyfox> I have a problem with automatically turning off screen after 15 minutes when not in use. Sometiems it does, sometimes it does not. Any ideas why not ? Or what applications cause it.
[12:38] <mena_> stdin, so how to enable thes style
[12:38] <mena_> stdin , i cant fint it in style
[12:38] <frojnd> !fluxtorrent
[12:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fluxtorrent - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:39] <frojnd> !torrentflux
[12:39] <ubotu> torrentflux: web based, feature-rich BitTorrent download manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1-1ubuntu0.1 (edgy), package size 410 kB, installed size 2688 kB
[12:39] <stdin> mena_: it should be an option in System Settings or KControl
[12:39] <Jucato> System Settings -> Appearance -> Style
[12:39] <mena_> stdin , okay i will see
[12:39] <Jucato> !changethemes | mena_
[12:39] <ubotu> mena_: [Ubuntu]  Install gnome-themes or go to menu, system settings, appearance. [KDE]  For a good KDE guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu
[12:39] <stdin> NotWired: have you checked the kdm log? /var/log/kdm.log
[12:39] <NotWired> yes stdin, nothing out of the ordinary
[12:39] <NotWired> no errors
[12:40] <stdin> hmm, very odd
[12:40] <NotWired> yes, that's what everyone says
[12:40] <NotWired> but it did work for a brief time after the upgrade to edgy so i know it can work
[12:40] <stdin> not too helpful tho :P
[12:41] <NotWired> lol stdin, i'm willing to reinstall if i can save my data and i have no spare partition or system i can use to copy it to
[12:41] <mena_> stdin, if i didnt so recompile it ...sorry for asking you too much
[12:43] <stdin> NotWired: I think there is a way to install without formatting, but I doubt it's reccomended
[12:43] <stdin> *recommended
[12:43] <NotWired> can't be worse than my current situation :-)
[12:44] <Shak1> rm -rf /tmp/kde-*
[12:44] <Shak1> rm -rf /tmp/.ICE-unix
[12:44] <Shak1> rm -rf /tmp/ksocket-*
[12:44] <Shak1> rm -rf /tmp/mcop-*
[12:44] <stdin> I've done it before from the alternate cd, but you should be able to do it from the Desktop install to
[12:44] <Shak1> and the .ICE files may work?
[12:44] <NotWired> is that for me Shak1?
[12:45] <stdin> NotWired: you'll need to choose to manually edit the partition table and to not format the partition
[12:45] <Shak1> yes, sometimes theres the mess. may i ask do you  ~/.ICE* files in your home dir?
[12:45] <NotWired> thanks stdin
[12:45] <Shak1> do you have...
[12:45] <NotWired> Shak1: checking now
[12:46] <duffyd> hi all. As a bit of background - I'm a Debian Unstable user for 3.5 years and though not a expert know Debian fairly well but want something a bit easier to install. I tried Mepis and am disillusioned with that and was just curious if Kubuntu is 'stable' enough for me to use?
[12:46] <NotWired> no Shak1, i do not
[12:46] <duffyd> I've just heard back stories about it from various sources is all
[12:46] <duffyd> s/back/bad
[12:47] <sorush20> NotWired: did you manage
[12:47] <NotWired> found nothing i haven't tried from google sorush20
[12:47] <sorush20> I think your problem is the same as this
[12:47] <sorush20> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81431
[12:47] <NotWired> trying the Shak1 method now
[12:48] <Surghi> hi
[12:48] <Shak1> notwired: did you try to reconfigure youre xconfig , maybe 2 mice or something else
[12:48] <NotWired> i did Shak1, the xorg.conf is clean
[12:48] <NotWired> startx works fine
[12:48] <stdin> duffyd: Kubuntu is extremely stable, especially Dapper (6.06) which has Long Term Support. I've been using Kubuntu for more than 2 years, it's always been fine for me
[12:49] <NotWired> it's just while running kdm that i can't get to X
[12:49] <duffyd> stdin: great, thanks
[12:49] <Shak1> weird
[12:50] <duffyd> stdin: just outta curiosity - is it also released by canonical?
[12:50] <NotWired> when i try to login, the screen flashes black and the login prompt returns
[12:50] <duffyd> or is it a separately maintained project?
[12:50] <NotWired> i can only alt-n to get to terminal
[12:50] <duffyd> stdin: the other thing I am interested in is running Edgy so hopefully that is fine :-)
[12:51] <lz1gjd> hello, after installing xgl/compiz i lost my keyboard layouts in kubuntu 6.10 i686 how can i fix them ?
[12:51] <vortex_> hi colud someone help me?i have problem with mouting partition in ubuntu! i know it's mounted in console but when is xserver i can't get in????
[12:51] <stdin> duffyd: Kubuntu is an official version of Ubuntu, just with KDE instead of Gnome, and I have used Edgy (I'm running a development version now) with no problems
[12:51] <duffyd> stdin: great, thanks a lot for your help :-)
[12:51] <duffyd> muchos appreciatus
[12:52] <stdin> duffyd: no problem, that's why we're here :)
[12:52] <duffyd> stdin: true
[12:52] <duffyd> :-)
[12:52] <stdin> vortex_: where did you mount it to ?
[12:52] <vortex_> in media
[12:53] <stdin> vortex_: where in media, and also, what type of filesystem is it?
[12:53] <vortex_> NTFS
[12:54] <vortex_> i think i done everything corect
[12:54] <stdin> vortex_: what command did you use to mount it ?
[12:54] <djwilcox> hi anyone know of a wireless ap for wpa
[12:54] <vortex_> in console i see my mounted discs
[12:54] <sorush20> my kdm is showing as instant messenger for KDE , in adept don't know why
[12:54] <vortex_> byt in KDE i can't
[12:55] <vortex_> i can see it only when i'm a root
[12:56] <stdin> djwilcox: maybe look at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/WifiDocs/KubuntuWPAHowTo
[12:56] <stdin> vortex_: what command did you use to mount it ?
[12:56] <vortex_> mount .....
[12:56] <djwilcox> thanks
[12:56] <vortex_> and i tried edit mstab and fstab
[12:56] <Jucato> um...
[12:56] <stdin> vortex_: yes, but what was the exact command ?
[12:56] <Jucato> !ntfs | vortex_
[12:56] <ubotu> vortex_: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[12:56] <vortex_> sorry
[12:57] <Jucato> stdin: by default, when you mount NTFS, only root can read in KDE, afaik
[12:57] <josh__> !xserver
[12:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xserver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:57] <josh__> !vesa
[12:57] <ubotu> vesa is the default video driver if X can't find a better one. Also see !x
[12:57] <vortex_> maunt /dev/hda1 /media/hda1 -t ntfs
[12:57] <josh__> !x
[12:57] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:57] <josh__> there we go
[12:57] <stdin> Jucato: yeah
[12:58] <stdin> vortex_: have a look at the link ubotu gave you, basically you need to use a umask option with mount to see it as a normal user
[12:58] <Minataku> That should have the keycombo to restart X
[12:59] <vortex_> ok thanks i'll try
[12:59] <stdin> Minataku: there is no key combo to restart X, only to kill it (then if KDM is running it will respawn)
[01:00] <Minataku> stdin: xdm isn't X11
[01:00] <Minataku> xdm starts X11
[01:00] <Minataku> The key combo to restart X is Ctrl+Alt+BkSp
[01:00] <stdin> Minataku: who said anythong about xdm ?
[01:01] <Minataku> Same difference between any ?dm
[01:01] <Minataku> It's not X, it's just a daemon to restart X if it stops running
[01:01] <JohnFlux> is there any way to find out what type of memory I have without pulling out the dimms ?
[01:01] <stdin> Minataku: anyway, Ctrl+Alt+BkSp kills X, try startx then press Ctrl+Alt+BkSp and see if it restarts
[01:01] <JohnFlux> can I find out the timing etc from linux?
[01:02] <JohnFlux> to buy similiar memory
[01:02] <stdin> JohnFlux: maybe lshw
[01:02] <Minataku> stdin: Well of course it doesn't restart, but how many *buntu users aren't running X through ?dm anyway?
[01:02] <stdin> !lshw
[01:02] <ubotu> lshw: information about hardware configuration. In component main, is standard. Version 02.06-3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 266 kB, installed size 676 kB
[01:02] <Minataku> Not to mention that if they AREN'T, they need to kill the running X before they start ?dm
[01:03] <Minataku> In case they've just fixed it
[01:03] <Minataku> stdin: That won't do it, I don't think
[01:03] <stdin> Minataku: there is an option in kdm to restart X anyway
[01:03] <Shak1> Notwired: i hope you find a solution for your problem. if the rm of the temp files didn't help you might try to remove your personal kde files but be aware that they contain your emails aso.
[01:03] <Shak1> rm -r ~/.qt
[01:03] <Shak1> rm ~/.DCOP*
[01:03] <Shak1> rm -r ~/.kde*
[01:03] <Shak1> rm ~/.ICE*
[01:03] <NotWired> that's Shak1, i've rm -rf the .kde before
[01:04] <NotWired> and i've even created a new user
[01:04] <NotWired> still no luck
[01:04] <Minataku> Nah, lshw won't tell you anything useful about the RAM
[01:04] <Minataku> You'll need to pull the SIMMs then more than likely look up their P/N
[01:04] <sorush20> is there anything similar to the ubuntu calendar project in kubuntu
[01:05] <Surghi> Is there any Music-CD-Burning program available which lets me save the current collection of songs to a textfile which can be printed so I get a nice cover with the index of all songs for my CD ?
[01:06] <sorush20> how do I fix this /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[01:09] <Shak1> notwired: 1 last suggestion : have a look on your kdm file in /etc/pam.d/kdm      this is mine
[01:09] <Shak1> auth       required     pam_nologin.so
[01:09] <Shak1> auth       required     pam_env.so readenv=1
[01:09] <Shak1> auth       required     pam_env.so readenv=1 envfile=/etc/default/locale
[01:09] <Shak1> @include common-auth
[01:09] <Shak1> session    required     pam_limits.so
[01:09] <Shak1> @include common-account
[01:09] <Shak1> @include common-password
[01:09] <stdin> sorush20: try sudo fuser -vik /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[01:09] <stdin> !pastebin | Shak1
[01:09] <ubotu> Shak1: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:10] <NotWired> thanks Shak1, i may be onto something... it seems the fonts may be borked
[01:11] <DrunkPikachu> ubotu: pastebin is no fun, what if I WANT to flood the channel with my poorly written shell scripts?
[01:11] <NotWired> when i try to reinstall xfonts-base i get warnings that some folders do not exist
[01:11] <MidMark> hi everyone, with latest updates sometimes audio isn't loaded well during boot, need to restart, someone else?
[01:11] <Jucato> !bot | DrunkPikachu
[01:11] <ubotu> DrunkPikachu: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:11] <Jucato> DrunkPikachu: nice nick btw
[01:11] <DrunkPikachu> kthx, and yea I realized it was a bot right after I hit enter
[01:12] <Minataku> GENII
[01:12] <roniez> I am trying to configure desklist for kopete, but when i do ./configure it freezes at "checking wheter uic suppors -L
[01:12] <Minataku> :D
[01:12] <genii> Minataku!
[01:12] <genii> LOL
[01:12] <roniez> anybody have an idea?
[01:13] <stdin> ooh, genii, you have to see this https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ticket/3322
[01:13] <Minataku> genii: I just spent $48 on webhosting, which kinda takes me into paying for shipping with leftover money from schoolbooks I didn't have to buy XD
[01:13] <Shak1> notwired: well this morning i had an issue with the fonts too.1 of  the /fonts/x11  in the xorg file was twisted -scary . goood night guys
[01:13] <Minataku> I'll return the C++ book I don't need and use that for shipping X3
[01:13] <NotWired> night Shak1
[01:14] <genii> Minataku Howbout I just ship the stuff then inside a SASE
[01:14] <vortex_> stdin it doesnt work...
[01:14] <Minataku> SASE?
[01:14] <vortex_> i havn't still permission to read
[01:14] <vortex_> from KDE
[01:14] <Minataku> Oh, no, I have all the money in my bank account
[01:15] <Minataku> So go get that PayPal
[01:15] <Minataku> lol
[01:15] <stdin> vortex_: where exactly did you mount it?
[01:15] <genii> Self Addressed Stamped Envelope. Tho in this case you will have to put stamps on it LOL
[01:15] <Minataku> lol
[01:15] <Minataku> genii: Just sign up for a PayPal, link it to your bank account then you have it for anything else and if you never use it again then so what
[01:15] <Minataku> :D
[01:16] <vortex_> in  /media/hda1
[01:16] <stdin> vortex_: and what dose "ls -ld /media/hda1" show ?
[01:17] <ubuntu_> bye
[01:17] <genii> Well, I may. My main issue with PayPal right now is last 3 times I tried to sign up the amounts they put in for you to verify don't get processed and in my statement until after the time to validate your account expires
[01:18] <Minataku> genii: Ah, so you actually have an account anyway
[01:18] <Minataku> Just not validated
[01:19] <genii> Minataku Yes, every time they drop 2 or 3 cents in it, I don't know the right amounts til after it's too late LOL
[01:19] <Jucato> vortex_: did you take a look into the guide that was given to you?
[01:19] <Jucato> !ntfs | vortex_
[01:19] <ubotu> vortex_: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[01:19] <Minataku> I don't remember how it worked when I did it, I don't remember if there was a time limit or if I just used a different way to check on it
[01:20] <Jucato> Minataku, genii, you're discussing about paypal?
[01:20] <genii> Jucato I know I know, offtopic
[01:20] <Jucato> :)
[01:20] <Jucato> you know the drill :)
[01:21] <Minataku> Yeah, continue talking about it and get reminded every couple minutes that we're off topic
[01:21] <Minataku> XD
[01:21] <Minataku> genii: Switch to PM, okay? X3
[01:21] <Jucato> at least you don't get kicked for it, right?  Anyone know why the command debconf-get-selections --installer   fails miserably?
[01:22] <Minataku> "There are unused icons on your desktop" "DAMN IT I HID THEM ALL ANYWAY, WHY SHOULD I GIVE A "<quote truncated>
[01:22] <stdin> hmm, so you're saying Jucato is that annoying little windows popup ?
[01:23] <Jucato> yeah he is )
[01:23] <Jucato> :)
[01:23] <Minataku> No, actually
[01:23] <Minataku> I'm saying the "someone tells you you're offtopic" thing is
[01:23] <MidMark> hi everyone, with latest updates sometimes audio isn't loaded well during boot, need to restart, someone else?
[01:23] <Minataku> Since it's not always Jucato XD
[01:23] <stdin> heh
[01:24] <vortex_> stdin when i put ls -ld i have dr-x------ root root
[01:24] <vortex_> sory it's took so long
[01:24] <stdin> vortex_: did you read the guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions ? (and made sure to unmount it first?)
[01:24] <slyfox> Is there anyway I can put Kontact to tray ?
[01:25] <Jucato> slyfox: kontact itself? no
[01:25] <Jucato> all hail JohnFlux!
[01:26] <slyfox> Jucato: Yes the application. So what would be the best way to have quick access to it? Move it to anotehr desktop ?
[01:26] <JohnFlux> Jucato: I've got that stupid ksysguard bug where it doesn't work :-)
[01:26] <Jucato> heh nice :)
[01:26] <JohnFlux> Jucato: I can't wait until kde 3.5.6 is in kubuntu so I can upgrade
[01:27] <JohnFlux> Jucato: where I've fixed it ;-)
[01:27] <Jucato> slyfox: use KMail's or Akregator's systray Icons
[01:27] <Jucato> JohnFlux: 3.5.6 is in Kubuntu for Edgy and Feisty
[01:27] <Jucato> still waiting for Dapper...
[01:27] <genii> Anyone know why the command debconf-get-selections --installer doesn't work right?
[01:27] <JohnFlux> Jucato: ah neat.  I'm still on 3.5.5 at the moment.  things break when I upgrade so I'm a bit nervous heh
[01:28] <Jucato> JohnFlux: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php
[01:28] <Jucato> upgrading is for the brave :P
[01:28] <JohnFlux> Jucato: of course, serves me right for using feisty
[01:28] <Jucato> hah!
[01:28] <stdin> Jucato: you'll be waiting a long time for it to be in dapper
[01:28] <Jucato> stdin: no, I'm just waiting for someone to say it's available in Dapper. I'm not on dapper :P
[01:28] <genii> j/oin #ubuntu-boot
[01:28] <genii> ARG
[01:29] <Jucato> lol
[01:29] <slyfox> JohnFlux: I did an upgrade and all works fine
[01:29] <JohnFlux> slyfox: :-)
[01:29] <slyfox> Jucato: what do you mean use these icons? You mean run them instead of Korganizer?
[01:29] <Minataku> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16902707/ OMFG CIRCUIT BOARDS AND LEDS IT MUST BE A MOTHERF??KING BOMB *shakes head in shame that he's a member of the same species as these people*
[01:29] <Jucato> Minataku: ...
[01:29] <magnus_> how can i do php offline?
[01:30] <Minataku> I've gotten off free for less question marks
[01:30] <Minataku> At least 10 times, no less
[01:30] <Minataku> lol
[01:30] <slyfox> Jucato: Is there any way to get rid of time table view in Kontact in Calendar from 12am to 6 am? I have no use for this time...
[01:30] <Jucato> slyfox: if you're using KMail or Akregator in Kontact, you can use their systray icons to quickly access Kontact
[01:31] <LjL> Minataku: that just means nobody had spotted you
[01:31] <Minataku> Last time I try to say "fork" in here
[01:31] <Minataku> Just because someone decided to insert letters to create a vulgarity isn't my problem
[01:31] <emss> kopete with irc is buggy
[01:31] <Jucato> Minataku: or just fsck
[01:31] <LjL> we aren't bots, question marks don't fudge our procedures and make us not seeing the kind of language one's using
[01:31] <LjL> Minataku: wrong
[01:31] <LjL> besides,
[01:32] <LjL> Ubotu, tell Minataku about caps | Minataku, see the private message from Ubotu
[01:32] <LjL> and in general,
[01:32] <LjL> Ubotu, tell Minataku about etiquette | Minataku, see the private message from Ubotu
[01:34] <Minataku> At least read the damn news story, tell me about etiquette while you're completely and willingly ignoring me
[01:38] <emss> when will kubuntu switch to kde4?
[01:39] <stdin> emss: ask in #kubuntu-devel
[01:39] <vortex_> stdin: everything is correct now
[01:39] <stdin> vortex_: great :)
[01:39] <Jucato> emss: depends on when KDE 4 will come out
[01:39] <vortex_> thx
[01:39] <firecrotch> emss: When KDE4 is released AND stable AND kubuntu devs decide to :)
[01:40] <emss> firecrotch: kde4 will be like kde3 but with qt4 instead?
[01:40] <test34> where would I put my iptables firewall script for it to auto-start on bootup ?
[01:41] <thoreauputic> test34: try /etc/rc.local ( or call it from there)
[01:41] <Jucato> emss: no, it's more than that
[01:41] <test34> emss: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE4
[01:42] <test34> thanks thoreauputic
[01:42] <thoreauputic> test34: or call it as pre-up or post-up from /etc/network/interfaces
[01:42] <Jucato> emss, test34: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=KDE4
[01:42] <thoreauputic> your choice
[01:43] <vortex_> stdin: i have one more problem when i'm opening konqueror i have error : "coldn't find OVERRIDING component sdp:/ in a tree. Inside error"
[01:45] <vortex_> sory if it's not enuogh gut transleted!
[01:45] <vortex_> anyone sow ever this error?
[01:46] <stdin> vortex_: I've never seen that before, try asking in #kde (and change inside to "internal" :) )
[01:46] <DrunkPikachu> quick question, I'm configing busybox and was wondering what default shell should I choose? ash,hush,lash,msh or does it matter?
[01:46] <vortex_> ok
[01:46] <emss> what is sdp:/ ?
[01:46] <emss> samba?
[01:46] <solid_liq> service discovery protocol
[01:46] <emss> what are those called?
[01:47] <emss> ssh:/ sdp:/ etc.
[01:47] <test34> thoreauputic, just copy my executable script in "/etc/network/if-pre-up.d" ?
[01:48] <thoreauputic> test34: you can put it anywhere really, and call ii as pre-up or post-up
[01:48] <vortex_> this error is direct when i'll open konqueror when i press OK i can work normally
[01:48] <test34> thoreauputic, ok thanks for your help
[01:49] <solid_liq> the protocol
[01:49] <solid_liq> or protocol specifier I think
[01:49] <solid_liq> just like http://
[01:50] <thoreauputic> test34: for eaxample ( three line paste follows - apologies)
[01:50] <thoreauputic> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[01:50] <thoreauputic>         post-up /etc/iptables.up
[01:50] <thoreauputic>         post-down /etc/iptables.down
[01:55] <test34> thoreauputic, ok I will do that if it doesnt work when I just copy my executable script in "/etc/network/if-pre-up.d"
[01:56] <kevin_> ola
[01:58] <eric> hello
[02:03] <genii> I'm still looking for someone who knows how to auto-add some default user in a preseed file or in an automatic install
[02:05] <genii> I'm almost tempted to offer a bounty of an official Ubuntu Tshirt for the solution :)
[02:05] <genii> If one doesn't exist I'll make it LOL
[02:06] <Jucato> :P
[02:06] <genii> Jucato Do they sell merchandise to help fund?
[02:06] <Jucato> genii: hm...  I actually don't know what you're talking about lol
[02:07] <djwilcox> can anyone give me a few pointers to get wpa wireless working
[02:07] <djwilcox> i can see my network but cant connect as it uses wpa
[02:08] <djwilcox> can anyone recomend a good wireless application
[02:09] <DrunkPikachu> djwilcox: just to know, what wireless card are you using?
[02:09] <djwilcox> the broadcom
[02:10] <djwilcox> i installed the firmware and all that
[02:10] <djwilcox> i can scan for networks and they show up
[02:10] <djwilcox> just cant connect to my wpa encrypted network
[02:11] <DrunkPikachu> I think I had that problem, I'm making sure about it with my brother (he's the one who fixed it)
[02:11] <dwidmann> genii: thought jenda was working on the t-shirt deal
[02:12] <Jucato> http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop/
[02:12] <djwilcox> cheers
[02:13] <DrunkPikachu> djwilcox: I take that back, my problem was with wep, ALTHOUGH, the problem was specifically with wep as much as it was that the connection couldn't auth the code because the default drivers (which IIRC is a part of the new kernel, or at least most new distros?) were conflicting with the ones I installed
[02:13] <dwidmann> I'm thinking nearly the opposite hue .... hoping for something black + blue
[02:14] <djwilcox> ok thanks for checking
[02:14] <DrunkPikachu> just in case
[02:14] <DrunkPikachu> check to see if there are default bcwmxx drivers in your install besides the ones you, im guessing, ndiswrapped. If there are, blacklist the default drivers and use yous.
[02:15] <genii> OK, so a bounty of an official tshirt then if someone figures a way to successfully create a default user and password for an automated hands-off install by way of a preseed file
[02:15] <djwilcox> im running a mac powerpc
[02:15] <DrunkPikachu> hands-off install? Arn't most ubuntu installs easy enough already?
[02:19] <genii> DrunkPikachu: The situation: I have client machines netbooting with no keyboard/mouse/monitor. I have all the other values figured out that I require. Except right now at the reboot, there is no user to login as, and root logs in without any password. So not good
[02:21] <DrunkPikachu> genii: ah, :\ wish I could help, I've got no answers though.
[02:23] <mena> how to run the personal wizard
[02:24] <stdin> personal wizard ?
[02:24] <Jucato> kpersonalizer?
[02:24] <Jucato> it's not installed by default
[02:25] <mena> stdin , when i restart kubuntu i found a wizrd opened asking me anout some options and its tell me to ro run again run from ...which i cant remeber
[02:25] <cefx> General linux question: Where can I check out the logs or something along those lines, of when a user last logged in or did something, from within Kubuntu or a terminal session?
[02:25] <Jucato> mena: Alt+F2, kpersonalizer
[02:25] <mena> yes thats one thanks
[02:25] <stdin> cefx: all the logs are normally in /var/log
[02:25] <genii>  /var/log/auth.log
[02:25] <cefx> ok.
[02:26] <stdin> genii: did you have a look at the support request I sent you the link to?
[02:27] <steven_> how can i change my clock from 24-hour to AM/PM?
[02:27] <genii> stdin Damn, probably not since I don't remember LOL
[02:27] <genii> stdin I have to switch locations right now so I'll be back in about halfhour tho with some time
[02:28] <stdin> genii: ok, I'll get you the link when you come back
[02:29] <mena> jucato, i have 2.8 proceccor if i make to it use all is that bad
[02:29] <genii> stdin OK, talk toya then
[02:29] <genii> later ppl :)
[02:29] <stdin> later :)
[02:29] <djwilcox> trying to get wpa working - looking in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[02:30] <stdin> steven_: right click on the clock, Date & Time Format -> Time & Dates, change the Time format to "pH:MM:SS AMPM"
[02:30] <mena> jucato, never mind
[02:30] <naught101> octplot (plotter for octave) breaks when I try to install it (missing prerequisite). I think it's in universe.
[02:30] <djwilcox> it says blacklist eth1394 is that anything to do with it
[02:31] <steven_> stdin: it didnt work...it changed on the example part...but not on the display?
[02:32] <stdin> steven_: I think you need to restart kicker, or logout and back in, your choice
[02:35] <jmichaelx> controversial question: is beryl stable enough to be worthwhile installing?
[02:35] <lupine_85> jmichaelx: it is, but wait for a few hours at leasty
[02:35] <lupine_85> rc1 is due to come out shortly
[02:35] <jmichaelx> ahh, ty much for the heads up
[02:35] <lupine_85> (shortly == "I'm building it now" :D)
[02:36] <jmichaelx> awesome
[02:36] <steven_> what is rcl??
[02:36] <Jucato> RC1 = Release Candidate 1
[02:36] <lupine_85> release candidate 1 for 0.2.0
[02:36] <steven_> is that kinda like beryl?
[02:36] <lupine_85> it's a version of beryl
[02:37] <steven_> oh..would it work on my machine? what are the req.?
[02:37] <Jucato> steven_: RC is what you usually label/call a version of that is almost ready for release
[02:37] <lupine_85> you need 3D accelerated graphics
[02:37] <lupine_85> that's more or less it
[02:38] <lupine_85> see http://wiki.beryl-project.org/ for fuller details
[02:38] <lupine_85> it can be a pain to get going, especially if you have an ATi card, though
[02:38] <lupine_85> but once it's running... sheer bliss
[02:38] <lupine_85> of course, I'm not biased at all :p
[02:39] <stdin> lupine_85: are the bugs where minimised windows disappear and you get 16 virtual desktops fixed yet? (when switching back to kwin)
[02:39] <jmichaelx> will an ati radeon 900 pro work with beryl?
[02:39] <lupine_85> stdin: that's a kde (well, kicker) bug
[02:39] <jmichaelx> 9000*
[02:40] <lupine_85> minimised windows still vanish from time to time :/
[02:40] <lupine_85> jmichaelx: yeah, should be fine
[02:40] <jmichaelx> awesome
[02:40] <lupine_85> for best results, follow an AIGLX howto on the wiki
[02:40] <stdin> lupine_85: darn, it's not a massive bug, but it's annoying :P
[02:40] <steven_> how do i know if i have 3d accelerated graphics?:O
[02:40] <lupine_85> (your card is supported by the Free driver)
[02:41] <stdin> I'll have to kick Sho_ in to action on it
[02:41] <draik> Can I download something through CLI?
[02:41] <stdin> draik: wget
[02:41] <lupine_85> or curl :)
[02:41] <lupine_85> but wget++
[02:41] <draik> stdin: What do I need
[02:41] <draik> ?
[02:41] <lupine_85> I pwn all my anime using wget
[02:42] <stdin> draik: wget URL
[02:42] <draik> kew
[02:42] <draik> thank you stdin
[02:42] <stdin> :)
[02:42] <Jucato> hi draik
[02:42] <draik> Hello Jucato
[02:42] <Sanne> draik:  or wget -i file_with_lotsa_urls
[02:42] <steven_> lupine_85: lol!
[02:43] <stdin> long winded version of wget: wget URL -O-|cat -|tee filename
[02:43] <stdin> :P
[02:43] <Jucato> oh krap... pressed Ctrl+Q again instead of Ctrl+W
[02:44] <steven_> can i get beryl with this???  01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M 5955 (PCIE)
[02:44] <Eyeless> which is the preffered(best?) to use on my desktop for a local lan?
[02:45] <Eyeless> ftp server*
[02:45] <Eyeless> forgot to put that one in :P
[02:46] <stdin> I think there is an applet for local file sharing
[02:46] <stdin> "Public File Server"
[02:46] <lupine_85> steven_: ISTR that 200M cards are a pain
[02:47] <lupine_85> but I could be wrong
[02:47] <Eyeless> stdin: can it be passworded?
[02:48] <steven_> lupine_85: is it still possible to get beryl with it though?:S
[02:48] <lupine_85> I think it is possible
[02:48] <stdin> Eyeless: hmm, don't think so
[02:48] <lupine_85> but I doubt it'd be easy
[02:48] <stdin> Eyeless: why not use samba/nfs ?
[02:49] <stdin> Eyeless: or even ssh
[02:49] <Eyeless> stdin: i always had problems with samba, esp with winXP
[02:50] <Eyeless> not that thats a biggie, ill acces my files from my other lin-box
[02:50] <Eyeless> fish is pretty nice,tho didnt consider it
[02:50] <stdin> Eyeless: hmm, I have a WinXP client, works ok, but there are a few small ftp servers available
[02:50] <lupine_85> fish++
[02:51] <julien> hello
[02:51] <stdin> !ftpd
[02:51] <ubotu> FTP servers: !ftpd, !proftpd, !pure-ftpd, !twoftpd, !vsftpd - Graphical front-ends: !PureAdmin, !GProftpd (for !GNOME), !KcmPureftpd (for !KDE) - See also !FTP
[02:51] <julien> how can i do to backup the upgrade list of adept ???????????????
[02:51] <Eyeless> nice, ty
[02:52] <julien> heyyyyyyyyy
[02:52] <stdin> huhhhhhhhhhhh
[02:52] <steven_> lupine_85: is it still possible to get beryl with it though?:S
[02:52] <lupine_85> yes
[02:52] <julien> no
[02:53] <stdin> !fr
[02:53] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:03] <tbtk> I'm looking to disable the bouncing icon by the cursor whenever I start an application, but I don't know how, can anyone help?
[03:03] <MamanN> Halo everybody, pls help i move from gnome to kde i've lost my desktop shortcut to partition label in kde
[03:04] <Jucato> tbtk: press Alt+F2, type in "kcontrol". then go to Appearance & Themes -> Launch Feedback
[03:05] <shinigami> hi, i've upgraded from dapper to edgy for my sony vaio laptop..everytime i boot up now, my screen is stuck at ctrl alt-7 screen (or 1)..when i go to 6, it doesn't load up my kde..i have to type startx to load..how come?
[03:05] <shinigami> !startup
[03:05] <ubotu> To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup
[03:05] <tbtk> Jucato, thank you.
[03:06] <shinigami> hi, i've upgraded from dapper to edgy for my sony vaio laptop..everytime i boot up now, my screen is stuck at ctrl alt-8 screen (or 1)..when i go to 7, it doesn't load up my kde..i have to type startx to load..how come?
[03:06] <dope> anyone know how to turn a DRM'd WMA file into an MP3?
[03:06] <MamanN> Halo everybody, pls help i move from gnome to kde i've lost my desktop shortcut to partition label in kde
[03:07] <LjL> shinigami: does  apt-cache policy kdm  show that kdm is installed?
[03:08] <shinigami> yes it is installed
[03:08] <shinigami>   Installed: 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2
[03:08] <shinigami>   Candidate: 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu3.2
[03:08] <shinigami> it could be something to do with the startup scripts but i don't know how to edit it
[03:08] <LjL> shinigami: if you exit from X, and then do a  sudo invoke-rc.d kdm start , does it start?
[03:09] <shinigami> i'll have to try
[03:09] <shinigami> not startx ?
[03:09] <LjL> no, you already know that startx works
[03:10] <shinigami> startx and kdm start is different?
[03:11] <LjL> shinigami: quite
[03:11] <Jucato> startx just starts X server. kdm start starts the display manager, which also starts the X server with it
[03:12] <LjL> shinigami: KDM is a display manager (login screen if you prefer), startx skips the login phase entirely and just runs some commands to get you a working X
[03:12] <genii> Brrr it's cold out !
[03:12] <jean> hola...
[03:12] <genii> stdin Still around?
[03:12] <shinigami> hmmm oic..hey, when i run startx , i'll enter the login screen too
[03:12] <jean> como hago para instalar php en kubuntu????
[03:12] <LjL> but what's started (on a normally functioning installation) at boot is KDM, not startx
[03:12] <LjL> shinigami: that sounds weird
[03:12] <LjL> !es | jean
[03:12] <ubotu> jean: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[03:12] <Jucato> shinigami: not necessarily
[03:12] <shinigami> yup!!! indeed
[03:13] <LjL> jean: sudo apt-get install php
[03:13] <jean> ok.... thank you...
[03:13] <genii> Did you do some alternate install or server install?
[03:13] <shinigami> after i run startx, i'm in the log in screen..then i enter password and go in
[03:13] <stdin> genii: yeah, just about :P
[03:13] <shinigami> oh..i edited the sources.list to change dapper to edgy..then apt-get update etc...
[03:14] <genii> stdin OK lemme get some cocoa or something warm into me then I'll look at that link etc etc
[03:14] <LjL> shinigami: that should not normally happen, as far as i know... still, i suggest you try sudo invoke-rc.d kdm anyway, so you can see if it's a problem with the KDM init script
[03:14] <stdin> genii: ok :P
[03:14] <shinigami> sudo invoke-rc.d kdm start
[03:14] <shinigami> ok will do it now
[03:14] <shinigami> brb
[03:17] <genii> stdin OK, ready pretty much :)
[03:17] <stdin> genii: ok, this is mind numbing stuff here :P https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ticket/3322
[03:18] <genii> Alright, off reading now
[03:19] <genii> stdin Are you the guy with the invisible text or so ? LOL
[03:19] <stdin> genii: Oi, no I'm not :P
[03:22] <stdin> I almost feel sorry for the guy, then I just read his answers again
[03:22] <genii> stdin Geez that page reads like a comedy of errors
[03:23] <stdin> I know, it's scary they let those people in to society
[03:24] <stdin> he's running breezy too
[03:24] <stdin> packages have probably been deleated by now
[03:24] <genii> stdin It's like the other day someone wanted to remap keybindings for firefox increase/decrease font size "from ctrl++ to just ctrl+"
[03:25] <stdin> heh
[03:28] <genii> Looks like he never checked back in yet anyhow LOL. I suspect his sources.list is messed up
[03:31] <shinigami> wierd...... now i'll enter the login screen after pressing ctrl-alt 7
[03:31] <surgy> hi
[03:31] <shinigami> seems like after i press then it will load..otherwise it will stay on the blank screen (i think is screen 1)
[03:31] <genii> shinigami That is the default console that X uses
[03:32] <surgy> i am comming acrossed a little bit of money in the next week and am shopping for a nice nvidia video card, ant recomendations? it has to be under $150 and be agp
[03:32] <shinigami> why do i need to press ctrl-alt 7 to enter login?
[03:33] <genii> You normally should not need to. It should go automatically there after finishing the regular bootup process.
[03:33] <Phlosten> surgy: are you a gamer?
[03:34] <shinigami> yup..which are the log files i can check? .xsession-errors ?
[03:34] <genii> shinigami Did you do some unusual install method like alternate install or server install then install the Xserver afterwards??
[03:34] <surgy> phlosten: im a light gamer, but i do alot of rendering, im looking at the xfx cards but i heard there junk, but it whould be nice to get a tv tuner card with good 3d acceleration
[03:34] <shinigami> ok.. i remembered something
[03:35] <shinigami> when i was using dapper, i accidentally changed the souces.list to edgy.. and updated halfway and cancelled (which i couldn't revert back)
[03:36] <shinigami> then i think might as well change to edgy..and wola~
[03:36] <Phlosten> surgy: i bought an FX520 128MB, only cost me AU$80, but it is more than capable for my needs. i use Blender a bit
[03:36] <Phlosten> FX5200
[03:37] <genii> shinigami: You may want to do something then like purge and reinstall the X
[03:37] <surgy> phlosten: ok thats dual 400mhz core and 350 mhz ram dac at 64 mb ddr4 ram right?
[03:37] <cefx> How do I change eth0 to full-duplex from half-duplex in Kubuntu?
[03:38] <Phlosten> surgy: err, nfi
[03:38] <Phlosten> surgy: one sec
[03:40] <Phlosten> surgy: this is what I am running http://www.chaintech.com.tw/eng/a2111_product_spec.php?serno=75
[03:40] <surgy> phlosten: i really want a 256 mb dual 400mhz 350 mhz ram dac tv tuner that runs off the nvidia xfx 6200 or above chipset (that whould be my ideal card, but i dont know if that exsists)
[03:41] <sixpointeight> can someine help me?
[03:41] <genii> !ask | sixpointeight
[03:41] <ubotu> sixpointeight: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:42] <Jucato> stupid question, you need a video card that supports 2 monitors to have twinview/dual monitors, right?
[03:42] <dddude55> yes it has to have 2 plugs
[03:42] <Jucato> oh ok...
[03:42] <genii> Jucato Or two video adapters. don't matter
[03:42] <sixpointeight> I recently scanned the computer with klamav and it put the boot image in the quarantine, now i can't boot up ubuntu/kubuntu, what do i do?
[03:42] <dddude55> like mine has an lcd and vga, with a converter i have 2 vga monitors
[03:43] <Jucato> genii: what if one is IGP, the other is separate?
[03:43] <dddude55> hmmm
[03:43] <elyon225> What is the shortcut to show the process manager?
[03:43] <dddude55> CTRL ESC
[03:43] <Jucato> elyon225: Ctrl+Esc
[03:43] <dddude55> lol
[03:43] <sixpointeight> what do i do?
[03:43] <dddude55> anyone know waht repository ksynaptic is in?
[03:43] <elyon225> Jucato: That's what I thought too... but that's just opening the K menu for some reason.
[03:43] <genii> Jucato Well, I have on this box 1 AGP ATI AIW 8500DV plus also a PCI ATI AIW 7500 and they both work great. So 1 pci and 1 agp. Don't see why not two other types
[03:44] <Jucato> elyon225: hm.. you're not using Beryl or Compiz are you?
[03:44] <elyon225> Jucato: Nope.
[03:44] <ForgeAus> hey Jucato :) did I tell you what my problem was?
[03:44] <Jucato> ForgeAus: nope
[03:44] <dddude55> lol
[03:44] <Jucato> dddude55: ksynaptic or ksynaptics?
[03:44] <ForgeAus> read only mode in menu.lst
[03:44] <ForgeAus> thats all it was
[03:44] <Jucato> O.o
[03:44] <ForgeAus> jucato don't you mean kynaptic?
[03:45] <Jucato> genii: ah hm...
[03:45] <ForgeAus> theres a few residial niggles I need cleared up tho
[03:45] <Jucato> ForgeAus: oh yeah. right lol
[03:45] <surgy> phlosten: no ofense but i think my little geforce 4 ti 4200 has a faster memory clock im getting 444mhz at 128mb
[03:45] <Jucato> !kysnaptics | dddude55
[03:45] <dddude55> umm the one for the touch pad
[03:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kysnaptics - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:45] <Jucato> bah
[03:45] <dddude55> dont answer yet, afk lol
[03:45] <surgy> phlosten: and i want faster and more memory
[03:45] <Jucato> !ksynaptics | dddude55
[03:45] <ubotu> ksynaptics: Synaptics TouchPad configuration tool for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.1-2 (edgy), package size 206 kB, installed size 1008 kB (Only available for alpha amd64 arm hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc sparc)
[03:46] <ForgeAus> ksynaptic is the touchpad thingy and kynaptic is the package manager
[03:46] <dddude55> right, i need the touch pad
[03:46] <dddude55> i have synaptic and advert or whichever that name is lol
[03:46] <Jucato> genii: my video card also has TV output... I wonder if that's possible, one tv, one crt
[03:46] <ForgeAus> so the one Jucato said there ksynaptics
[03:46] <Jucato> dddude55: ksynaptics is in universe
[03:47] <ForgeAus> Jucato how do I fix my kdesu? .... it accepts my password but doesn't actually work...
[03:48] <Jucato> hm...
[03:48] <genii> Jucato I have the composite-out on my 8500 wired to the TV. I use the 7500 for watching tv on the crt and the 8500 to put stuff on vhs thru the vcr
[03:48] <ForgeAus> I get an error
[03:48] <ForgeAus> xauth: (argv):1:  bad display name ":0.0" in "list" command
[03:48] <ForgeAus> kdesu (kdelibs): WARNING: No X authentication info set for display :0.0
[03:49] <dddude55> but when i do apt-get it cant find it, so i need the address for the ksynaptics repository
[03:49] <Jucato> ForgeAus: are you running kdesu in a root prompt?
[03:49] <ForgeAus> no
[03:49] <ForgeAus> just a user one
[03:49] <Jucato> dddude55: check if your universe repository is enabled
[03:49] <genii> Are you in a dir that user owns? It will try to write an auth file in the immediate dir. If the user doesn't own it you'll get that error
[03:50] <dddude55> well the problem is my touch pad or a plug in mouse wont work at all
[03:50] <ForgeAus> I'm in ~
[03:50] <ForgeAus> which I assume the user owns rofl
[03:50] <dddude55> so im doing everything by keyboard
[03:50] <genii> eg: if previiously you changed dirs to do some sudo stuff then forgot to go cd ~
[03:50] <stdin> bye 2 all
[03:50] <genii> stdin Have fun :)
[03:51] <stdin> *t
[03:51] <stdin> :P
[03:51] <Jucato> stdout
[03:51] <genii> LOL get som esleep you!
[03:51] <k610> hey!
[03:52] <stdin> *gone*
[03:52] <ForgeAus> also my fstab/mtab are a bit messed up
[03:52] <ForgeAus> it used to automount my other drives
[03:52] <k610> How can I see user accounts < UID of 1000?
[03:53] <genii> k610 By see them what do you mean?
[03:53] <ForgeAus> is mtab meant to be a symbolic link to /proc/mounts?
[03:53] <dddude55> lol ok so how can i check if universe is enabled
[03:53] <Jucato> k610: in System Settings -> User Management, check on "Show system accounts"?
[03:53] <Jucato> !universe | dddude55
[03:53] <ubotu> dddude55: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:54] <k610> soory, in user management, I created a user account with a UID of 600
[03:55] <elyon225> Has anyone else had a problem with Adept's package descriptions not matching the package?
[03:55] <k610> I don't see the account, in the GUI but ls -l shows it
[03:55] <ForgeAus> ahh interesting gksu works (glad I had the ubuntu-desktop package)
[03:55] <elyon225> !fine enlightenment
[03:55] <elyon225> !find enlightenment
[03:55] <ubotu> Found: enlightenment, enlightenment-data, enlightenment-theme-bluesteel, enlightenment-theme-brushedmetal, enlightenment-theme-ganymede (and 1 others)
[03:55] <elyon225> !about enlightenment > elyon225
[03:56] <genii> k610 I hope you don't have dovecot installed, it wants that uid by default
[03:57] <Jucato> k610: even if you enabled "Show system accounts"?
[03:57] <ForgeAus> is it safe to delete pkgcache.bin and/or srcpkgcache.bin from /var/cache?
[03:57] <k610> yes, even if show system accounts is checked
[03:57] <ForgeAus> grr /var/cache/apt
[03:58] <Jucato> ForgeAus: just do "sudo apt-get clean"
[03:58] <Jucato> er... if you meant the residual .debs in there
[03:58] <Bxnp> he surgy your story was on dig
[03:58] <genii> k610 There is a way. Give me a minute
[03:58] <k610> note: carry accounts over from FC which start at 600
[03:59] <Jucato> you might want to install "kuser" if you really want to see them in a GUI....
[04:00] <ForgeAus> didn't work
[04:00] <ForgeAus> no its not the .debs its the pkgcache.bin 8.2mb file residing with the archives dir ...
[04:00] <ForgeAus> (in var/cache/apt/
[04:01] <surgy> bxnp: really? lol you have a link?
[04:01] <Bxnp> just look on dig   and search for kubuntu
[04:01] <Bxnp> you will find it
[04:02] <surgy> ok
[04:02] <djwilcox> anyone got any tips for getting wireless working
[04:02] <surgy> bxnp: theweeklydig right?
[04:02] <k610> oh oh, I broke something, GUI is messing up
[04:02] <surgy> djwilcox: yeah you gotta plug it in :)
[04:02] <thoreauputic> !wifi | djwilcox
[04:02] <ubotu> djwilcox: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:03] <surgy> bxnp: or digg.com ?
[04:03] <Bxnp> digg.com
[04:04] <Bxnp> is there allso antorher dig
[04:04] <surgy> i found it :) lol
[04:06] <genii> Damn theres a way to change the login class but I forget now.
[04:09] <Bxnp> underdog5004: he underdog did you paste that article from surgy on digg
[04:09] <surgy> looks like he did
[04:10] <dddude55> well my mouse wont work so i cant cahnge waht needs to be cahnged T_T
[04:10] <blane> hey all
[04:10] <dddude55> i was using dapper, now im downloading edgy
[04:10] <dddude55> hopefully it works a lil better
[04:10] <blane> <--- new to using Kubuntu....  is this a support channel?
[04:10] <dddude55> its possible that the laptop is just broken...
[04:11] <dddude55> yes it is
[04:11] <surgy> blane: yes this is support how may we help you? remember dont ask to ask just ask :)
[04:11] <blane> so i can ask many annoying questions?
[04:11] <dddude55> sure, might get many annoying answers though ^_^
[04:11] <surgy> blane: yes thats how i am learning
[04:11] <blane> cool
[04:11] <surgy> blane: ask away
[04:12] <blane> im good for now, but im sure ill have questions as i go
[04:12] <blane> just wanted to get the feel for the room
[04:12] <thoreauputic> blane: :)
[04:12] <dddude55> i tihnk my touchpad is just broken lol
[04:12] <surgy> blane: kewl i find it most effective to just pop in and ask a question with no dialogue before, makes it easier to read. and remember to use pastebin on more than three line of paste
[04:13] <dddude55> it all worked when windows was on, but in the live cd i could only tap to click, then when i installed, all clicking expect right click went away
[04:13] <blane> allright
[04:13] <dddude55> so ive been trying to set everything up with keyboard short-cuts...
[04:13] <surgy> dddude55: have you tried plugging in an external mouse? preferably a usb one? my g/f has a broken touchpad and a ps/2 mouse fixed it
[04:14] <dddude55> yes
[04:14] <dddude55> both types
[04:14] <dddude55> none of the periphreal plugs work
[04:14] <dddude55> and untill i get the mouse working my laptop is using ethernet so im running from upstairs to down working on it...
[04:15] <surgy> dddude55: im assuming your using vnc?
[04:15] <dddude55> not sure
[04:15] <juano> dddude55: mouse issued with laptop?
[04:15] <juano> dddude55: issues*
[04:15] <dddude55> yes, many lol
[04:15] <k610> Gotta go, thanks for the help, ubuntu rocks
[04:15] <surgy> dddude55: vnc makes it so you can control one desktop from another on a lan or over the internet, kubuntu has it built in
[04:16] <juano> dddude55: lol, USB?
[04:16] <dddude55> oh no i cant set anything like that up
[04:16] <surgy> why?
[04:16] <dddude55> any sudo i do is through konsole
[04:16] <dddude55> because i cant open the main menu
[04:16] <dddude55> since i cant click...
[04:16] <juano> dddude55: is your mouse USB?
[04:16] <surgy> alt+F1 opens KMENU
[04:16] <dddude55> o_O
[04:16] <dddude55> i didnt know that
[04:16] <dddude55> lol
[04:17] <surgy> that helps?
[04:17] <dddude55> hmm, its possible
[04:17] <dddude55> then i can access the files and read them
[04:17] <dddude55> cause i forgot how to open files from konsole
[04:17] <surgy> and then you can turn on vnc and control it and set it up through another computer
[04:17] <dddude55> was using sudo open <file>
[04:17] <surgy> until you get your mouse fixed :)
[04:17] <dddude55> lol i used linux back in the day, then started with windows again
[04:18] <dddude55> i wanna get back into linux, and my laptop isnt making it easy
[04:18] <surgy> i know the fealing
[04:18] <dddude55> i would set it up on this computer, but i have 100gb+ to backup first lol
[04:18] <surgy> try that on a 600 mhz laptp with 128 mb ram 2 gb hdd and no mouse :)
[04:18] <ForgeAus> what version is apt?
[04:18] <dddude55> lol
[04:19] <ForgeAus> (for kubuntu edgy)
[04:19] <surgy> yeah it sucked
[04:19] <dddude55> my laptop is 1ghz, 256MB so its just barely able
[04:19] <ForgeAus> I got 1.6.0
[04:19] <ForgeAus> is that right?
[04:19] <dddude55> hmm, does vnc work from windows pc to kubuntu?
[04:19] <ForgeAus> (do an apt -version on the command line)
[04:19] <surgy> dddude55: that should work allright, if you dont get heavy on the graphics, you might look into xubuntu though it uses xfce way easier on the proccessor and ram
[04:20] <dddude55> hmm
[04:20] <surgy> dddude55: yes google free vnc, get the client and server it out there and easy to set up
[04:20] <blane> Surgy, anything special i need to do to read dvd's with kaffeine?
[04:20] <dddude55> apt-get codecs?
[04:20] <surgy> blane: kafeine wont read dvds and technicly its illegal
[04:20] <dddude55> thats not the line, just saying
[04:21] <surgy> blane: try apt-get vlc
[04:21] <ForgeAus> surgy illegal? thats a bit silly
[04:21] <surgy> sorry
[04:21] <ForgeAus> how can reading a DVD be illegal?
[04:21] <hatta> america's a bit silly
[04:21] <surgy> blane do this without the "        "sudo adpt-get install vlc"
[04:21] <hatta> decrypting the dvd is illegal
[04:21] <blane> ok
[04:21] <ForgeAus> why's the thing encrypted in the first place?
[04:21] <surgy> well you cant have a dvd loaded on your ram on a linux machine or any other type of memory
[04:21] <dddude55> so you cant burn it
[04:21] <Theory> stop evil pirates making unauthorised duplicates
[04:21] <hatta> so that they can prohibit you from reading it
[04:22] <Theory> (not that it works...)
[04:22] <ForgeAus> hmmm...
[04:22] <ForgeAus> this doesn't make sense - if you own the DVD
[04:22] <hatta> pirates can just make bit perfect copies that will be decoded by a legit player though
[04:22] <surgy> blane: how did that work?
[04:22] <dddude55> quick question, assumming i install kubuntu on this computer with no problems(not liekyl but..)
[04:22] <blane> didnt, i need to download it first?
[04:22] <dddude55> can i run my normal games on it, i dont remember
[04:22] <ForgeAus> yeah copy the raw data and its just the same as the DVD it come from
[04:22] <dddude55> only certain ones right?
[04:23] <surgy> forgeAus: you cant load it into memory legally, becuase you dont own the dvd, you own the liscense to watch it
[04:23] <Theory> dddude55: some games are ported to linux, many are not
[04:23] <ForgeAus> surgy... thats rediculous
[04:23] <Theory> yes. true though.
[04:23] <ForgeAus> if you don't own a license to watch it how can you put a DVD in your DVD player and see it?
[04:23] <surgy> dddude55: check out cedega and wine they are "application layers for win32" basicly windows emulators for exe files
[04:23] <dddude55> i would dual-boot this comp but it only has 15GB out of 100 left lol
[04:23] <dddude55> doesnt leave much for linux
[04:24] <ForgeAus> the law here just doesn't seem to make any sense
[04:24] <surgy> forgeAus: you only own the liscense to watch it, not to copy it, loading into your ram is copying technicly
[04:24] <dddude55> well if the law made sense none would make any money off it
[04:24] <ForgeAus> lol ddd
[04:24] <NightBird> anyone know how to get aiglx working with kubuntu?
[04:24] <dddude55> ^_^
[04:25] <ForgeAus> surgy... that bit makes some kinda sense
[04:25] <surgy> yes, but piracy isnt right, it should be stopped
[04:25] <ForgeAus> but the owner isn't left with a way to watch it without loading it into ram...
[04:25] <ForgeAus> the law doesn't handle that...
[04:25] <ForgeAus> or at least doesn't seem to by what your saying
[04:25] <Theory> sorry, "owner" ?
[04:25] <ForgeAus> (I'm talking about on their pc)
[04:26] <ForgeAus> owner of the disc itself
[04:26] <surgy> forgeaus: no, you can load it into ram on your dvd player becuase you cant minipulate it there, but you cant load it into ram on your linux box becuase then you can minipulate it
[04:26] <Theory> i.e. rip it and z0mg upload it onto p2p fileshare networks all over the internet
[04:26] <surgy> and hense it cannot be copied
[04:27] <ForgeAus> surgy if you wanted to get around that all you need is a dvdplayer that can manipulate it... but thats not the pint
[04:27] <ForgeAus> grr point
[04:27] <genii> ForgeAus what bugs me is they always advertise: Own it on DVD today!   but you are really just renting it
[04:27] <pablo7> surgy: there are ways...
[04:27] <Theory> anyway, technically it is very possible
[04:27] <ForgeAus> just to do plain innocent watching on a PC ... the law shouldn't stop that if you paid for the DVD
[04:27] <surgy> forgeaus: trust me it will be illegal on those dvd players soon too, if its not allready
[04:27] <Theory> google will give you the answersss
[04:27] <ForgeAus> otherwise its illegal for them to sell it!
[04:27] <ForgeAus> (ie they sold you a service/product that you were unable to use...)
[04:28] <Theory> in the UK if you buy a CD it is technically illegal to transfer the music onto your iPod
[04:28] <pablo7> ForgeAus: i agree.
[04:28] <surgy> forgeaus: no if you have the liscense to sell it you can sell it, if you have the liscense to copy it you can copy it if you have the liscense to watch it you can only watch it not copy
[04:28] <blane> surgy says cant find vlc package... sorry im really new at this lol
[04:28] <dddude55> anyone know if guild wars runs on linux?
[04:28] <ForgeAus> surgy your not connecting with what I'm saying
[04:29] <ForgeAus> I believe you with what you said tho
[04:29] <surgy> blane: hold on
[04:29] <genii> License it on DVD today! <-- doesn't quite have the same meaning does it?
[04:29] <dddude55> afk looking downstairs
[04:29] <ForgeAus> I don't care about licenses... there should be a legal way to watch a CD I paid for... if there is no legal way provided theres somethign wrong with the law right?
[04:29] <ForgeAus> lol genii yeah doesn't...
[04:30] <surgy> dddude55: go google cedega and look at the games db it gives it a play rating from garbage to great and tells what works and what doesnt
[04:30] <Theory> there is a legal way. buy a DVD player :-)
[04:30] <surgy> blane: i pmed you
[04:30] <ForgeAus> Theory what if you don't have one?...
[04:30] <surgy> they are only like $25 here
[04:30] <shinigami> i still can't get my edgy to boot up at login screen!........last resort is to reinstall
[04:30] <Theory> then why are you buying DVDs? ;-)
[04:30] <blane> i need to register, just a sec
[04:30] <surgy> ok
[04:31] <ForgeAus> because I have a DVD drive in my PC why do I need a DVD player?
[04:31] <mena> ForgeAus, Do you have any suggestion
[04:31] <mena> about what i write
[04:31] <ForgeAus> the law makes you spend more money?
[04:31] <ForgeAus> mena?
[04:31] <mena> yes
[04:31] <surgy> forgeaus: techniqely thats for watching and changing dvds you made and moving dvd data images around
[04:31] <genii> shinigami I think thats your best option actually. If it was able to be repaired from what you have now, any other issues later would be suspect anyhow
[04:31] <BluesKaj> the greed knows no bounds and as long as the themovie makers keep trying to grab as much profit by their restrive efforts the more the pirates push back
[04:31] <Theory> ForgeAus: just like a windows CD doesn't give you a license to install windows on every piece of hardware you own
[04:31] <dddude55_> ok im on the laptop now
[04:32] <Theory> having a DVD doesn't necessarily imply you can watch it on any system you have
[04:32] <mena> ForgeAus, sorry on another channel i dint sleep well sorry
[04:32] <shinigami> sigh........that means i'm going to download edgy installation cd..
[04:32] <ForgeAus> thats another thing
[04:32] <mena> heehehh
[04:32] <mena> ^_^
[04:32] <ForgeAus> windows for one pc only is wrong
[04:32] <shinigami> because upgrading from dapper to edgy seems like buggy for me
[04:32] <dddude55_> for kubuntu, do you have to restart to pick up a mouse you just plug in?
[04:32] <Theory> for example, DVDs are traditionally region locked, you can only watch it on players bought from the same place as the DVD
[04:32] <ForgeAus> if I PAID for the OS I should be able to do whatever the hell I please with it... if I got 3 PC's I should be able to use it on 3 PC's without paying any more...
[04:32] <surgy> forgeaus: well you know whats legal and whats not it sounds like you should aim your anger towards your local politician, congressman the pope, we cant change anything here sorry
[04:33] <genii> dddude55 If it's a usb mouse no. For ps mice, sometimes yes
[04:33] <ForgeAus> thats one reason I'm not buying another windows OS
[04:33] <ForgeAus> lol surgy, good point...
[04:33] <dddude55_> ok well im gonna grab the mouse of my windows comp and reboot brb
[04:33] <xsacha> ForgeAus: it's a different matter if you got vista free for submitting one bug :)
[04:33] <Theory> wow, that's a lot of free copies of vista...
[04:33] <xsacha> i was happy to accept my free vista ultimate.. but i havent used it yet
[04:33] <flaccid> i'm going to call it pista
[04:34] <ForgeAus> lol xsacha... I'll need to get 3 bugs submitted then
[04:34] <pablo7> ForgeAus: i disagree.
[04:34] <xsacha> naah i submitted about 5,.. it's only from first bug you submit
[04:34] <dddude55> lol ok taking mouse off this comp now ;P
[04:34] <xsacha> if i had multiple connect accounts, then yes :P
[04:35] <xsacha> think i can sell this vista ultimate retail cd key and how much for?
[04:35] <Theory> probs non-transferable :-)
[04:35] <xsacha> they dont know
[04:35] <genii> xsacha: It only works on the first box you install to.
[04:35] <Theory> well yes
[04:35] <flaccid> hang on one sec. how did you get free vista and from who?
[04:35] <surgy> forgeaus: if you wrote a program, how whould you feal if someone made an "8in1" cd of all eight of your programs? and gave it away for free?
[04:35] <xsacha> i havent used the key yet
[04:36] <surgy> thats the real question
[04:36] <Theory> but if people don't care about legallity they can just warez vista easily enough...
[04:36] <xsacha> flaccid: got it from microsoft in connect beta for submitting atleast one bug
[04:36] <mena> i do this to make beryl window manager start auto but nothing happened ]
[04:36] <flaccid> ah
[04:36] <mena> n -s /usr/bin/beryl-manager~/.kde/Autostart/beryl
[04:36] <mena> ln*
[04:36] <flaccid> xsacha: microsofts road to using the community :) soon you'll be writing the os hehehe
[04:36] <swami> put it to start with a delay
[04:37] <mena> any idea plz
[04:37] <swami> cause the xgl or what u use doesn;'t have time to load
[04:37] <xsacha> flaccid: they didnt even look at my bug by the way.. you would have got free vista for saying "OS is too bloated"
[04:37] <swami> so u must load beryl in a bout 1 min maximum after the sistem startss
[04:37] <Theory> hrm, cunning marketting move
[04:37] <flaccid> xsacha: they paid nothing to have a public testing team and it cost them nothing give you a free copy. they win, not you.
[04:37] <mena> swami, are you talking to mee
[04:37] <xsacha> well they lost out on potential revenue
[04:37] <swami> yes
[04:38] <swami> .msg mena yes
[04:38] <mena> okay
[04:38] <flaccid> no they didn't...
[04:38] <Theory> the people who submit bugs are exactly the people you want to have vista, as they are the people who will be asked computer questions by their friends
[04:38] <elyon225> Could someone tell me why Adept's descriptions of packages are totally wrong?
[04:38] <xsacha> you would think the product testers would be most likely to buy the product?
[04:38] <flaccid> they saved a shitload of money
[04:38] <xsacha> i guess not in the products case
[04:38] <flaccid> thats irrelevant hey
[04:38] <shinigami> are there any issues for upgrading from dapper to edgy without fresh installation from cd?
[04:38] <mena> swami, how to make it with dealy
[04:38] <mena> delay*
[04:38] <genii> I beta-tested windoze 2.0 way back
[04:39] <genii> when it ran on 8086
[04:39] <swami> adn add in it the load of beryl-manager
[04:39] <Chuckie_Ice> >.>
[04:39] <Theory> anyone else itching to make a catty remark about how MS traditionally makes people pay to beta test their software?
[04:39] <elyon225> Theory: I think even THEY admit that now.
[04:40] <xsacha> Theory: i got this cheapo webcam for beta testing messenger 7 and guess what i got for messenger 8
[04:40] <thoreauputic> Theory: you use windows, you are automaticallya Beta tester guinea pig ;)
[04:40] <|Daisuke_Ido|> xsacha: herpes and a nasty cough?
[04:40] <dddude55_> well usb mouse works but since touch is messed up the cursor moves on its own still
[04:40] <duffyd> stdin: et all - I just downloaded and booted my laptop off of the Kubuntu 6.10 CD but it freezes when checking the disk drives (I left it for several minutes and it just sat there) - my disk drive already has partitions on it - I seem to remember a similar thing happening when installing Ubuntu a while back - any suggestions?
[04:40] <Chuckie_Ice> xsacha: a vasectomy?
[04:40] <Chuckie_Ice> oh
[04:40] <swami> :))
[04:40] <Theory> thoreauputic: your premise is inaccurate :-)
[04:40] <|Daisuke_Ido|> but that's offtopic, so i'll leave it be
[04:40] <swami> vasectomy:))
[04:40] <duffyd> stdin: this is when I had started the installer
[04:40] <thoreauputic> Theory: no I meant, "if you use windows" :)
[04:41] <Theory> oh right
[04:41] <thoreauputic> :)
[04:41] <flaccid> i guess the vista beta was an alpha and the vista final is a beta
[04:41] <genii> thoreauputic: Hows Walden these days? LOL
[04:41] <xsacha> this is what i got for beta testing messenger 8.1.. a nice email saying: "What sort of prize do we get for beta testing the software?
[04:41] <Theory> one would hope the final version is beta...</terrible-pun>
[04:41] <ForgeAus> just wait for service pack 2
[04:41] <thoreauputic> flaccid: service pack is already in the works apparently :)
[04:42] <flaccid> thoreauputic: i'm sure it was released with lots of known flaws
[04:42] <flaccid> heh
[04:42] <dddude55_> duffyd: how much ram is on your laptop
[04:42] <thoreauputic> genii: think "Civil Disobedience" rather than "Walden" :)
[04:42] <Theory> all software is released with lots of known flaws
[04:42] <Theory> even ubuntu :-)
[04:42] <genii> thoreauputic: :)
[04:42] <duffyd> from memory, last time I fixed this was just to manually edit the partition tables prior to launching the installer
[04:42] <duffyd> dddude55: 2Gb
[04:42] <ForgeAus> I don't understand how the upgrade alone can be sold for around $500 here (for ultimate)
[04:42] <mena> swami, plz replay
[04:42] <xsacha> ForgeAus: so that i can sell mine for $400
[04:42] <dddude55_> hmm are you doing dual-boot or is it supposed to repartion the whole thing
[04:42] <ForgeAus> if thats the case I'd hate to think how much a full package would be!
[04:43] <xsacha> oh mine is a full
[04:43] <duffyd> dddude55: dual boot
[04:43] <ForgeAus> (ie the main non-upgrade version)
[04:43] <duffyd> dddude55: I had it running fine under Mepis and also under Debian Unstable so should be fine
[04:43] <flaccid> get this. i did a m$ license questionaaire thing to get a free usb pen drive. after waiting ages i finally got another email advising that non US residents are not eligible and yet i was able to select australia as my country on the form and there was no mention of that on the site...
[04:43] <xsacha> im in aus too, so yeah i could sell this ultimate for.. what? $800?
[04:43] <dddude55_> hmm its possible that you are telling it to make the linux part too big and its trying to install on used space
[04:43] <dddude55_> maybe running windows defrag might help
[04:43] <flaccid> xsacha: 750 i think
[04:43] <xsacha> flaccid: i live in australia and they shipped over this webcam to me just for applying for messenger 7 beta
[04:43] <duffyd> dddude55: the partition has got an LVM + LVs on it so may be confusing the installer
[04:44] <dddude55_> im just guessing though duffy
[04:44] <ForgeAus> flaccid thats stupid too... why should you be disadvantaged just because your not american?
[04:44] <duffyd> dddude55: np, thanx
[04:44] <ForgeAus> grrrrr
[04:44] <genii> Is there a server version of vista? Every year m$oft sends the place I work 12 copies of whatever software they make plus a server install. I have a collection now of server 2000 onwards pinned to my corkboard
[04:44] <dddude55_> ^_^
[04:44] <Balsamic_Chicken> is there some deb repo from where i can just apt-get install the newest openoffice version?
[04:44] <flaccid> hey i guess you lucky sacha
[04:44] <xsacha> genii: Longhorn Server
[04:44] <Theory> genii: not released yet
[04:44] <dddude55_> vista is like $300
[04:44] <swami> make a scritp and insite u put delay 600 and then the code to start ur beryl
[04:44] <dddude55_> and closest version to server is vista business
[04:44] <swami> make a scritp and insite u put delay 600 and then the code to start ur beryl
[04:44] <duffyd> dddude55: I did have a similar problem with the Ubuntu 6.06 installer on a desktop pc
[04:44] <swami> make a scritp and insite u put delay 60 and then the code to start ur beryl
[04:44] <swami> make a scritp and insite u put delay 60 and then the code to start ur beryl
[04:44] <ForgeAus> dddude 500 or so in australia for the Ultimate version
[04:44] <Theory> server 2003 is a fair bit newer than XP though
[04:44] <dddude55_> i did as well duffy
[04:44] <ForgeAus> (not sure about the others)
[04:44] <swami> mena
[04:44] <flaccid> ForgeAus: because americans thinkt hey are the centre of the world. i mean its cool it for was for non-us but don't let me waste my time fill it in and allow me to select my australia in australia . so dodgy
[04:44] <swami> that's for u
[04:45] <pablo7> i think i stick with dapper lts updates.
[04:45] <dddude55_> the comp i was using also has an old chimera sound card that is incompatible with any dll in linux
[04:45] <mena> swami, okay okay oay wait a seconed how can i make ascript
[04:45] <dddude55_> so i gave up on that comp
[04:45] <duffyd> dddude55: oh, ok. Strange thing is it doesn't even bring up the partition management screen. Just freezes before that
[04:45] <duffyd> dddude55: ahh
[04:45] <ForgeAus> flaccid I guess you were supposed to read the fineprint first!
[04:45] <mena> swami, sorry i am not very samrt
[04:45] <mena> smart*
[04:45] <dddude55_> oh really? its freezing before the partition table part
[04:46] <flaccid> ForgeAus: there was no fine print :)
[04:46] <ForgeAus> (it would have been in the terms and conditions of the offer/contest/whatever)
[04:46] <duffyd> dddude55: if it works under Mepis (which uses 6.06 Ubuntu stuff) it should work under 6.10 (I would've thought)
[04:46] <swami> touch script.sh
[04:46] <flaccid> well i actually read all the terms
[04:46] <duffyd> dddude55: yup
[04:46] <swami> mcedit script.sh
[04:46] <xsacha> once i went to the mcdonalds website and it had this checkbox: 'Choose your country:'  (to go to localised site)    and only USA was in the drop down box
[04:46] <the_hammer> hi guys
[04:46] <ForgeAus> flaccid I think thats illegal not to give the person access to the terms and conditions first
[04:46] <swami> and the write inside what i told
[04:46] <swami> u
[04:46] <flaccid> hehehe
[04:46] <mena> swami, okay
[04:46] <the_hammer> whats the exact kernal version of kubuntu 610 please?
[04:46] <dddude55_> hmm i remember when i was installing ubuntu that, like you said, i had to partition it myself
[04:46] <genii> Theory Due to pressure at work I installed Enterprise server 2003 and tried to get it to play nice thru the additional unix tools CD they give. But no dice. So I just made a debian box instead and told them all it wwas the install from m$oft ROFL
[04:46] <ForgeAus> it'd have to be in there somewhere
[04:47] <dddude55_> but i used a windows version partitioner and its all funky
[04:47] <flaccid> ForgeAus: no there was terms. i read them. nothing about only for non-us there.
[04:47] <xsacha> the_hammer: 2.6.17-10
[04:47] <dddude55_> there is like 2GB that is unaccessible to windows or linux now lol
[04:47] <ForgeAus> flaccid then your eligible for the prize
[04:47] <ForgeAus> if its not in the terms and conditions then its not a valid excuse
[04:47] <xsacha> flaccid: do what any american would do,.. sue
[04:47] <the_hammer> xsacha,  is it easy to update to a later version?
[04:47] <xsacha> the_hammer: not sure
[04:47] <ForgeAus> (of course theres probably an escape clause in the terms and conditions somewhere)
[04:47] <the_hammer> or will it cause broken packages and such?
[04:47] <duffyd> dddude55: :-)
[04:47] <flaccid> ForgeAus: indeed. lets be realistic..
[04:48] <duffyd> dddude55: bad karma dude ;-)
[04:48] <ForgeAus> flaccid sure it may or may not be realistic... I'm just stating thats how it goes legally
[04:48] <duffyd> dddude55: I had a similar issue when initially installing Mepis and I messed with it in 'advanced' mode to I didn't have the 'gaps' in the partitions
[04:48] <ForgeAus> (trying to fight that in a court of law might be a whole other matter entirely)
[04:48] <jdcnyc> I got my Kubuntu box back, but I'm missing the passwords for most applications. How can I find Konversation password(s)? I'm logging automatically,
[04:48] <flaccid> it would actually be better to claim that it was a binding contract with an exchange of service and that they didn't comply with the contract and that they did it to get personal information.
[04:49] <flaccid> ForgeAus: don't worry i know the legal system
[04:49] <genii> I think if ppl got some added incentive other than posterity for fixing linux bugs (like a hat or badge for instance) development would quadruple overnight
[04:49] <dddude55_> omg i finally got universe/multiverse enabled in adept lol
[04:49] <duffyd> dddude55: either way, this has to be a heck of a lot easier than installing Debian 'by hand'
[04:49] <dddude55_> time to get ksynaptics and see if it helps
[04:49] <duffyd> dddude55: :-)
[04:49] <dddude55_> lol i never went for the full debian build
[04:49] <duffyd> dddude55: how about dselect ;-)
[04:49] <duffyd> works for me
[04:49] <ForgeAus> whats the current version of apt?
[04:49] <dddude55_> i was told to start simple till i know what im doing
[04:50] <dddude55_> forge: i have 2.0
[04:50] <duffyd> dddude55: for sure. Debian is just 'too hard', and Ubuntu runs pretty much all the latest stuff anyway - so I've pretty much decided to go with Ubuntu for my server builds now
[04:50] <dddude55_> i just installed it today so mine is up to date
[04:50] <dddude55_> i wanted ubuntu again, then i saw that there were projects based off it
[04:50] <ForgeAus> mine is 1.6.0
[04:50] <genii> ubuntu server 6.06 has been solid for me so far
[04:50] <dddude55_> so i decided to go with kubunut lol
[04:51] <mena> swami, Where to put that script
[04:51] <duffyd> dddude55: kde all the way!
[04:51] <duffyd> dddude55: I just can't get used to gnome :-(
[04:51] <dddude55_> im not used to typing on a laptop anymore, so many typos
[04:51] <dddude55_> that and the keypad is missing the letter y
[04:51] <duffyd> dddude55: yay!!!! It works now - had to delete my LVM partition though :-(
[04:51] <ForgeAus> wait not sure I need it
[04:51] <dddude55_> gnome was ok, kde seems a bit faster though
[04:52] <pablo7> dddude55: i preferred adept over synaptic, how does ksynaptic compare with its gnome counterpart?
[04:52] <dddude55_> heh
[04:52] <ForgeAus> maybe... I might ask later
[04:52] <dddude55_> anything important on that partition?
[04:52] <dddude55_> oh no
[04:52] <dddude55_> im using adept
[04:52] <dddude55_> im talking about ksynaptic, for touchpads
[04:52] <duffyd> dddude55: no, just had my preconfigured LVM stuff - so didn't have to start from scratch with it. But np. Got all the data backed up.
[04:52] <dddude55_> duffyd: thats good
[04:53] <flaccid> not sure what you did with the lvm but you can mount them in ubuntu
[04:53] <pablo7> !ksynaptic
[04:53] <duffyd> I feel a 'blogging feeling' coming on :-)
[04:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ksynaptic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:53] <jdcnyc> How tingly?
[04:53] <ForgeAus> grrr
[04:53] <dddude55_> ive seen the kubuntu installer twice today tryying to fix this mouse issue
[04:54] <duffyd> flaccid: yeah, I just thing the installer *barfs* when finding LVM stuff existing on the partition
[04:54] <mena> ForeAgus, Do ypu can tell me where to put the script
[04:54] <ForgeAus> ok what package provides dependancies for:
[04:54] <mena> you*
[04:54] <ForgeAus>   python-apt: Depends: libapt-inst-libc6.4-6-1.1
[04:54] <ForgeAus>               Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.4-6-3.51
[04:54] <ForgeAus> its apt right?
[04:54] <duffyd> I've had exactly the same issue with both the Ubuntu/Kubuntu installers
[04:54] <ForgeAus> what repository for edgy is the correct version of apt in for those dependancies?
[04:55] <flaccid> well if it doens't ID the lvm correctly you can still install around it
[04:55] <dddude55_> !ksynaptic
[04:55] <dddude55_> err
[04:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ksynaptic - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:55] <ForgeAus> "the script?" what script?
[04:55] <flaccid> !find ksynaptic
[04:55] <ubotu> Found: ksynaptics
[04:55] <flaccid> !ksynatpics
[04:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ksynatpics - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:55] <dddude55_> ty flaccid
[04:55] <ForgeAus> !find kynaptic
[04:55] <flaccid> !ksynaptics
[04:55] <dddude55_> err
[04:55] <dddude55_> lol
[04:55] <ubotu> Package/file kynaptic does not exist in edgy
[04:56] <ubotu> ksynaptics: Synaptics TouchPad configuration tool for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.1-2 (edgy), package size 206 kB, installed size 1008 kB (Only available for alpha amd64 arm hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc sparc)
[04:56] <mena> forgeaus, a scrpit to delay beryl start on start up
[04:56] <flaccid> damn
[04:56] <ForgeAus> mena I have no idea
[04:56] <dddude55_> waht does beryl do, the site doesnt say to much at first glance
[04:56] <flaccid> but hey i think i might need that program
[04:56] <mena> forgeaus, okay
[04:56] <ForgeAus> try in #beryl or #xgl
[04:56] <dddude55_> i saw a vid taht said kubuntu + beryl
[04:56] <fignew> ksynaptic = good stuff
[04:56] <ForgeAus> or is it xlg...
[04:56] <ForgeAus> some tla anyhow
[04:56] <dddude55_> and they switched workspaces by turning the screen
[04:56] <dddude55_> it was cool
[04:57] <ForgeAus> beryl gives you the desktop cube
[04:57] <ForgeAus> ie 3D desktop
[04:57] <duffyd> thanx everyone - l8r
[04:57] <dddude55_> thats what i want ^_^
[04:57] <ForgeAus> and more
[04:57] <dddude55_> but 1 thing at a time
[04:57] <dddude55_> gotta get this mouse issue working
[04:57] <ForgeAus> agreed ddd
[04:57] <ForgeAus> depends on your videocard and lots of other things
[04:58] <pablo7> dddude55: you got a usb mouse?
[04:59] <dddude55_> my mouse keeps moving to the bottom right and i cant click anything >.<
[04:59] <dddude55_> yeah i just plugged it in
[04:59] <dddude55_> touchpad is bugging out still
[04:59] <dddude55_> can i temporarily disable the touch pad?
[05:00] <dddude55_> it would really help if i could
[05:00] <dddude55_> wahts wrong witht his line?       sudo apt-get install ksynaptics
[05:01] <ForgeAus> doesnt seem anything wrong with it
[05:01] <ForgeAus> whats the error you get?
[05:01] <dddude55_> ok i found the problem
[05:01] <dddude55_> its installing now
[05:01] <pablo7> dddude55: so the touchpad works without the external mouse plugged in?
[05:01] <dddude55_> nope
[05:02] <dddude55_> touch pad only moves the mouse, and never where i want
[05:02] <dddude55_> it doesnt left click or tap click
[05:02] <dddude55_> only right click
[05:02] <dddude55_> it is possible my touchpad is just broken
[05:02] <genii> dddude55 I'd disable it in bios if possible
[05:03] <dddude55_> hmm didnt think of that lol
[05:03] <pablo7> dddude55: what's the make, model of your laptop?
[05:03] <dddude55_> dell latitude C610
[05:03] <ForgeAus> whats the command line to fix broken packages, sudo apt-get --fix-broken ??
[05:04] <dddude55_> i looked on linux on laptops.com
[05:04] <dddude55_> but it just said use a certain kernel
[05:04] <flaccid> dell are usually reall good for linux support out of box
[05:05] <dddude55_> yeah but this laptop is like 6 years old and has been dropped a few times
[05:05] <flaccid> ah true
[05:06] <dddude55_> although i was told linux likes older machines better
[05:06] <flaccid> i think i have one of those. i took the ram out and put it in my imac hehe
[05:06] <Dr_willis> Linux can run very very well on older machines. :)
[05:07] <Dr_willis> Cutting Edge just came out last week - machines with fancy new features... can be a problem. :)
[05:07] <dope> i put Linux on my NES
[05:07] <genii> It runs fine on my celeron 300 64Mb and 3.2Gb hd :)
[05:07] <flaccid> hmm it comes down to the hardware. i could find lots of old hardware that still won't work on linux
[05:08] <dddude55_> it comes down to who has had this problem and put it on the internet before lol
[05:08] <Dr_willis> I can find lots of OLD hardware that dont work on XP also. :)
[05:09] <ForgeAus> lol
[05:09] <flaccid> there would be a way to diagnose. heh i need to do the same thing for my notebook which is on freebsd - can get usb mouse to work and not the touchpad
[05:09] <dddude55_> great i installed ksynaptics and cant find it on the hdd
[05:09] <triker> #ubuntu-es
[05:09] <ForgeAus> 77% of PCBSD I hope this was worth it!
[05:09] <triker> #ubuntu-latin
[05:09] <Dr_willis> flaccid,  the touchpad may be appearing as a 'psaux' device.
[05:09] <ForgeAus> (just some fun for VMware
[05:10] <Dr_willis> vmware is handy :)
[05:10] <ForgeAus> I love it :)
[05:10] <flaccid> ForgeAus: w0a cool. why you installing that?
[05:10] <flaccid> what is a psaux device?
[05:10] <ForgeAus> flaccid I'm not
[05:10] <ForgeAus> just downloading and running
[05:10] <ForgeAus> no installation necessary! rofl
[05:10] <flaccid> is it a live cd?
[05:10] <Dr_willis> flaccid,  rember the old 'round' mouse conectors?
[05:10] <genii> ps2 auxiliary port
[05:10] <ForgeAus> no
[05:10] <ForgeAus> its a VMware "appliance"
[05:10] <genii> ps2 primary = keyboard ps2 aus = mouse
[05:11] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  gotta lvoe those
[05:11] <ForgeAus> 719 meg tho
[05:11] <flaccid> yes ps2. this one is serial iirc
[05:11] <genii> ps2 *aux*
[05:11] <flaccid> ForgeAus: pc bsd rox. i'm a freebsd-kde user
[05:11] <Dr_willis> serial? thats a different kind of mouse. :)
[05:11] <ForgeAus> Drwillis you know of any OSX appliances?
[05:11] <ForgeAus> awesome flaccid!
[05:11] <Dr_willis> From a "legal point of view" i cant answer that.. :) but lets say... ive seen them..
[05:11] <ForgeAus> perhaps I'll see you from within it soon-ish
[05:11] <Dr_willis> oh wait i did answer that...
[05:11] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:11] <flaccid> and yeah you can just add pc bsd on to freebsd which i might do one day
[05:12] <ForgeAus> rofl
[05:12] <genii> Isn't the iPhone an OSX appliance? (as such)
[05:12] <flaccid> i just find bsd stable
[05:12] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  and it ran rather slowly.
[05:12] <Dr_willis> genii,  we are refering to vmware-appliance. - which is a 'preinstalled' os on a vmware disk image
[05:12] <genii> Dr_willia Ah, OK :) I have embedded linux appliances on the brain these days
[05:13] <genii> bah typos
[05:13] <flaccid> m0n0wall is the best appliance example :)
[05:13] <ForgeAus> m0n0wall?
[05:13] <flaccid> yep
[05:13] <flaccid> http://m0n0wall.de
[05:14] <flaccid> thing is an applicance needs to have a physical application. what is the purpose vmware-appliance?
[05:15] <genii> flaccid vmware-appliance is a virtual puter in which to run an OS
[05:15] <uRblong2us> hi
[05:15] <flaccid> thats not an appliance :)
[05:15] <uRblong2us> how do I connect to Yahoo chat with GAIM?
[05:15] <flaccid> thats a guest os w/ virtual machine :)
[05:16] <ForgeAus> flaccid its called an appliance by vmware
[05:16] <ForgeAus> not sure I agree with the terminology either tho
[05:16] <uRblong2us> it keeps telling me that the room is MAYBE is full, which is bs
[05:16] <flaccid> yes by vmware. marketing BS . :)
[05:16] <ForgeAus> grrr frostwire failed to boot up
[05:16] <genii> flaccid LOL thats my view also...for me an appliance is an embedded version which is compiled/optimised/dedicated for single purpose like m0n0wall or freeNAS or so on
[05:17] <flaccid> agreed enii
[05:17] <dddude55_> wtf my laptop says theres no wireless device but samba sees my network
[05:17] <flaccid> oops genii
[05:18] <dddude55_> shit im a dumbass
[05:18] <dddude55_> im on the wire
[05:18] <flaccid> if appliance because more of a buzz word, watch m$ jump on the bandwagon and try something...
[05:18] <pablo7> dddude55: are you able to use the system settings gui after installing?
[05:18] <ForgeAus> um help!
[05:18] <dddude55_> !ksynaptics
[05:18] <ubotu> ksynaptics: Synaptics TouchPad configuration tool for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.1-2 (edgy), package size 206 kB, installed size 1008 kB (Only available for alpha amd64 arm hppa i386 ia64 m68k mips mipsel powerpc sparc)
[05:19] <ForgeAus> sh - bash -  java is it ok to kill that process?
[05:19] <ForgeAus> if not what process to kill for frostwire
[05:19] <dddude55_> arg im so confused lol
[05:19] <ForgeAus> all I got is a splashscreen
[05:19] <dddude55_> i cant find ksynaptics now that its installed
[05:19] <Dr_willis> type the command perhaps?
[05:19] <dddude55_> installed it through adept
[05:19] <flaccid> ForgeAus: i'd kill java i guess
[05:19] <dddude55_> i did -_-
[05:19] <flaccid> jre or whatever
[05:20] <ForgeAus> that worked
[05:20] <Dr_willis> actually it may be a panel-applet and in the menus there.
[05:20] <flaccid> apps like frostwire and azureus have issues on ubuntu iirc.
[05:20] <ForgeAus> rerunning it now...
[05:20] <flaccid> which is another reason why i changed :(
[05:20] <Dr_willis> flaccid, Ive never noticed any issues with them. other then the sh/dash/bash issue.
[05:20] <pablo7> dddude55: run konsole & type `whereis ksynaptics'
[05:20] <ForgeAus> grrr still bad
[05:21] <ForgeAus> ok can't seem to run frostwire
[05:21] <flaccid> well for example install dapper and azureus... you will start to get pissed with the popups not going away. amongst other things
[05:21] <surgy> forgeaus: whats your error?
[05:21] <dddude55_> azerus takes up too many sys resources
[05:21] <dddude55_> i go with utorrent
[05:21] <pablo7> dddude55: how about `sudo updatedb' then type `locate ksynaptics'
[05:21] <Dr_willis> wine utorrent.exe
[05:21] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:21] <dddude55_> ill try pablo
[05:21] <flaccid> azureus is fine imo
[05:21] <hagabaka> i use kmldonkey
[05:21] <flaccid> its better than ktorrent
[05:22] <surgy> hi balen
[05:22] <genii> Anything that needs intensive resources like a p2p program shouldn't be written in an interpreted language
[05:22] <genii> ie: java
[05:22] <surgy> blane: pm me
[05:22] <hagabaka> java isn't interpreted
[05:22] <surgy> genii: and java is pretty quick
[05:22] <Dr_willis> never noticed torrents being that intensive  either.
[05:22] <dwidmann> java actually performs pretty well
[05:23] <linuxgoober> does anyone know how to change konsole's font color?
[05:23] <genii> Heh, that got some hackles up LOL
[05:23] <flaccid> genii: haha define an interpreted language. i believe java is compiled ?
[05:23] <dwidmann> compiled and interpreted
[05:23] <dddude55_> hey waht do i open to browse folders...
[05:23] <flaccid> no such thing as an interpreted language
[05:24] <hagabaka> compiled for a virtual machine
[05:24] <flaccid> ok that means nothing however
[05:24] <genii> flaccid Well, as I understand the differences: compiled= takes source code or high-level programming syntax and produces object code (executable machine language). Interpreted language is run on-the-fly by using a virtual machine or so on
[05:24] <hagabaka> although there's native compiler for java too
[05:24] <pablo7> dddude55: konqueror is your friend.
[05:24] <flaccid> you might complain about the overhead, but thats about it
[05:25] <hagabaka> genii: interpreted and virtual machine are not related
[05:25] <flaccid> genii: yeah thats really wrong sorry
[05:25] <hagabaka> interpreted languages are interpreted by interpreters
[05:25] <dwidmann> java is compiled to an intermediate byte code which is in turn run by a virtual machine ...
[05:25] <genii> Yeah OK. Was a while since I had to think about the differences actually
[05:26] <flaccid> there is still no point here...
[05:26] <flaccid> sorry i am wrong
[05:26] <flaccid> they do call it interpreted
[05:26] <flaccid> heh my bad
[05:26] <flaccid> but yeah java is compiled
[05:26] <pablo7> dddude55: also from the command line you can type `cd' and the directory.
[05:26] <dddude55_> ty
[05:26] <flaccid> how stupid am i? i just call em scripts heh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpreted_language
[05:26] <genii> But the point I was trying to make is that if it's not a native executable, it will be hogging resources
[05:26] <hagabaka> that's not true either
[05:27] <genii> Dr_willis ROFL
[05:27] <dwidmann> genii: after you get past the loading of the jvm and the fact you have to keep it in memory the performance is actually pretty damned good
[05:27] <flaccid> genii: that is simply overhead. if hardware can do it, what is the big deal. java is less bloat than a windows server for example..
[05:27] <flaccid> people have this misconception that java just eats resources etc.
[05:27] <Dr_willis> everything needs to be in assembly!
[05:27] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:28] <flaccid> new computers need not worry about java...
[05:28] <genii> Dr_willis You're my new buddy
[05:28] <dddude55_> can a 16MB card run beryl?
[05:28] <dwidmann> dr_willis, pull out the punch cards :O
[05:28] <genii> I'll bring the old PDP9 and the card reader!
[05:28] <dwidmann> dddude55 the real question is if it can run it well
[05:28] <thoreauputic> dwidmann: punch cards? Real Men (tm) use patch cables and switches!
[05:29] <flaccid> man i make myself look stupid sometimes. i've even done programming at uni. i guess i drink and smoke too much
[05:29] <flaccid> i would like an abacus
[05:29] <flaccid> however you spell it
[05:29] <genii> !abacus
[05:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about abacus - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:29] <genii> heh
[05:29] <makuseru> how can i add a program to the list of programs that open on startup
[05:29] <thoreauputic> flaccid: but does it run linux?
[05:30] <flaccid> thoreauputic: um you know those things to count on
[05:30] <dwidmann> makuseru: make a symlink to it in ~/.kde/Autostart
[05:30] <makuseru> thank you
[05:30] <thoreauputic> flaccid: yes, thank you, I know what an abacus is :)
[05:30] <flaccid> oh
[05:31] <flaccid> well i didn't even know if i spelt it right so you knew what i meant
[05:31] <n8k99_> Oh! not again!
[05:31] <flaccid> hey guys i spelt something right an remembered something. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abacus
[05:31] <dwidmann> But you'll get a stylin' jacket ;)
[05:31] <thoreauputic> n8k99_: knoted rope?  That number just can't be right.
[05:36] <genii> dwidmann: The rest is sites that just pretend
[05:36] <flaccid> you must of been drugged up
[05:36] <Dr_willis> dwidmann,  well it depends - if you count the torrent porn.. its much higher.. :)
[05:37] <flaccid> but if you pretend to do pr0n its still pr0n
[05:37] <n8k99_> 62% of the internet is pictures of kittens
[05:37] <Dr_willis> dwidmann,  but it also depends on if you are refering to the % of web suites.. or the % of data/traffic.
[05:37] <dddude55_> even withe 'locate' i cant find where its installed
[05:37] <dwidmann> dr_willis: I'll take your expert word for that, you must know oh so well.
[05:37] <dddude55_> just a few folders with barely anything in them
[05:37] <genii> Where the hell do you guys get your statistics???
[05:37] <Dr_willis> dwidmann,  its research for my book. :)
[05:37] <dwidmann> Yes, uh uh, research, riigggghhhhhhhht
[05:38] <flaccid> genii: credited books in this case for me
[05:38] <Dr_willis> last #'s i heard last week - Torrent Traffic is growing.. and is over 50% of the trafic.
[05:38] <flaccid> were the info was from research/survey
[05:38] <dwidmann> s/uh uh/uh huh/
[05:38] <Dr_willis> and the % of spam mail.. is... staggering
[05:38] <n8k99_> genii: smae place i get 77.2% of my statistics --- thin air
[05:38] <genii> Dr_willis downloading kitten pictures, obviously
[05:38] <dwidmann> poor kittens :(
[05:38] <Dr_willis> genii,  yep. 'Hello Kitty Uncut" i hear is very popular.
[05:38] <Dr_willis> "Hello Kitty, gone wild"
[05:39] <genii> Good Kittens gone Bad!
[05:39] <ForgeAus> how do I make kde/conqueror require double click to activate icons?
[05:39] <flaccid> well this article is sooo wrong http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;530976807
[05:39] <dddude55_> lol
[05:39] <dwidmann> ForgeAus: go to systemsettings -> mouse
[05:39] <dddude55_> go into system settings
[05:40] <flaccid> i'll get proper figures soon on this
[05:40] <dddude55_> then mouse
[05:40] <dddude55_> T_T beat me too it
[05:40] <dddude55_> i was too busy laughing
[05:40] <dwidmann> so am I
[05:41] <dddude55_> doesnt*
[05:41] <flaccid> i don't see how m$ and google can provide the dept. of justice the right data
[05:42] <flaccid> i don't see why they should of been consulted considering they are private commercial companies on the web. sif either of them would like to report the real percentage of pr0n
[05:42] <n8k99_> 1% of the internet is low compared to some magazine racks in midtown manhattan
[05:42] <flaccid> hehe
[05:43] <kapa> yamaha olp3-sax
[05:43] <dwidmann> n8k99_: don't have to go far for that, just go to the local sheetz or 7-11 ...
[05:43] <underdog5004> !offtopic
[05:43] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:43] <dddude55_> anyone here on feisty fawn?
[05:43] <underdog5004> like I'm one to talk...
[05:43] <underdog5004> dddude55, nope
[05:43] <flaccid> well the one high 1 i can find is just old and usenet ~83% http://www.spectacle.org/freespch/rimm.html
[05:44] <underdog5004> dddude55, I leave the beta software to the beta testers...
[05:44] <dwidmann> dddude55: I installed it, but it won't boot for me properly :\
[05:44] <dwidmann> It's still alpha underdog5004
[05:44] <dddude55_> lol
[05:44] <dwidmann> not even beta yet
[05:44] <eric> hallo all
[05:44] <underdog5004> dddude55, I leave the alpha software to the alpha testers...
[05:44] <dddude55_> im still debasting wether to use edgy or not let alone fawn
[05:44] <dwidmann> hi eric
[05:44] <underdog5004> lol
[05:44] <genii> dddude55 If you see stdin around ask him about feisty, he runs it
[05:44] <eric> hi dwidmann
[05:45] <dddude55_> ok
[05:45] <underdog5004> dddude55, if you want usability, use edgy, or even dapper. If you want sweet hotness, go for feisty
[05:45] <dddude55_> im still trying to get ksynaptics running >.<
[05:45] <dddude55_> lol sweet hotness eh
[05:45] <flaccid> this person looks at it more objectively http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/raskin/5851
[05:45] <underdog5004> yep
[05:45] <genii> I had to revert to Dapper after Edgy upgrades
[05:45] <ForgeAus> underdog what do you mean sweet hotness?
[05:45] <ForgeAus> whats so sweet and hot about fiesty?
[05:45] <dwidmann> if you want sweet hotness, start downloading sources and grab what you think is important ...
[05:45] <underdog5004> THE sweet hotness
[05:46] <Dr_willis> Sick little Puppy!
[05:46] <underdog5004> uh...sweet hotness...no explanation needed
[05:46] <ForgeAus> whats so good about fiesty?
[05:46] <dddude55_> wahts so good about edgy
[05:46] <underdog5004> it's...got the sweet hotness...
[05:46] <ForgeAus> grrr
[05:46] <genii> out of the box GL mostly
[05:46] <flaccid> this one reckons 12% sites in 2003 http://healthymind.com/s-porn-stats.html
[05:46] <ForgeAus> ddude I dunno whats so bad about dapper?
[05:46] <ForgeAus> I know I like edgy
[05:46] <dwidmann> I didn't see anything very good about feisty, it needs about 6 gallons of polish, per inch.
[05:46] <underdog5004> gl?
[05:46] <ForgeAus> but I don't know what dappers like
[05:46] <ForgeAus> nor fiesty
[05:46] <underdog5004> Edgy works for me...
[05:47] <ForgeAus> same
[05:47] <n8k99_> dwidmann: midtown manhattan is my local, um sheets?
[05:47] <genii> GL= opengl drivers ... good for beryl and so on
[05:47] <underdog5004> for me, upgrades have been transparent...
[05:47] <ForgeAus> rofl Dr willis
[05:47] <dddude55_> im on dapper just because im a noob still and it has lots of help
[05:47] <dwidmann> if you say so n8k99_
[05:47] <underdog5004> genii, yeah, but not for ati cards...
[05:47] <ForgeAus> or cadgy coyote?
[05:47] <underdog5004> which is to be expected...
[05:47] <underdog5004> cadgy?
[05:47] <ForgeAus> or yelping yokel
[05:47] <n8k99_> ForgeAus that would be a regression
[05:47] <underdog5004> !cadgy
[05:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cadgy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:48] <ForgeAus> !zippy
[05:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about zippy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:48] <n8k99_> Wanking Wallaby
[05:48] <orient> hello
[05:48] <ForgeAus> oh efg I get it!
[05:48] <underdog5004> hello, orient
[05:48] <eric> hello orient
[05:48] <ForgeAus> so we're waiting for ghastly goat?
[05:48] <orient> I had to reinstall kubuntu 6.10
[05:48] <ForgeAus> (after feisty fawn
[05:48] <underdog5004> something like that...
[05:48] <genii> n8k99_ Damned Wallabies! LOL
[05:48] <orient> to switch from x86_65 to i386
[05:49] <dwidmann> grimey giraffe
[05:49] <ForgeAus> then harrassed hornet...
[05:49] <underdog5004> !ghastly
[05:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ghastly - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:49] <eric> reinstall, huh
[05:49] <flaccid> wallabies shit a lot down here
[05:49] <underdog5004> orient, oh...ok
[05:49] <ForgeAus> then igloo impala
[05:49] <Candamir> when I try to install skype, Ark says that the ar utility is not in the PATH. How can I fix this?
[05:49] <orient> and now I have a problem with /lib/cpp
[05:49] <underdog5004> !offtopic | ForgeAus dwidmann
[05:49] <ubotu> ForgeAus dwidmann: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:49] <dddude55_> put it in the path
[05:49] <eric> what prob?
[05:49] <ForgeAus> good point underdog
[05:49] <n8k99_> ForgeAus not sure igloo is an adjective
[05:49] <Candamir> yeah but where is ar?
[05:49] <underdog5004> orient, /lib/cpp? are you compiling?
[05:49] <Candamir> kfind didn't show anything
[05:50] <flaccid> pissed platypus
[05:50] <dddude55_> canadamir: sorry, was just bored, im not actaully sure on that one
[05:50] <dwidmann> underdog5004: maybe if someone would show up in there ... bleh
[05:50] <Candamir> dddude55_ thanks anyway
[05:50] <underdog5004> lol, dwidmann , you should start the movement...be a trendsetter
[05:50] <dwidmann> Talking to myself in an empty room gets old/boring real quick, even on my bad days
[05:50] <genii> Hanging out here I'm not getting any work done :) See you all when I take a breather later
[05:51] <underdog5004> If you build it, they will come...
[05:51] <dwidmann> o.O someone drag him back here, and feed him some COBOL
[05:52] <ForgeAus> what room dwidman?
[05:52] <orient> underdog5004: yes, but, stupid me
[05:52] <ForgeAus> lol
[05:52] <orient> I didn't install g++
[05:52] <dwidmann> ForgeAus: #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:52] <underdog5004> orient, nice
[05:52] <orient> I am so sorry to bother you for nothing
[05:52] <Candamir> so, does anyone know what this ar utility is?
[05:52] <underdog5004> np...nothing else going on...
[05:53] <underdog5004> !ar
[05:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ar - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:53] <flaccid> http://internet-filter-review.toptenreviews.com/internet-pornography-statistics.html
[05:53] <underdog5004> hmm, weird...
[05:53] <orient> for dvd ripping I need to install a library
[05:53] <orient> is it libdvdcss2?
[05:54] <dwidmann> orient, yes, that's one of them
[05:54] <Balsamic_Chicken> !porn
[05:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about porn - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:54] <dwidmann> I think it's in the seveas repo
[05:54] <dwidmann> !plf
[05:54] <ubotu> The Penguin Liberation Front is dedicated to distributing software that cannot be included in Linux distributions for various reasons - See http://plf.zarb.org/ (not yet fully functioning) - See also !Medibuntu and !Seveas
[05:54] <dwidmann> that one too
[05:54] <flaccid> did you know that 80% of 15-17 year olds have had multiple exposurs to hardc0re?>
[05:54] <orient> thank you
[05:54] <orient> but what is seveas repo?
[05:55] <Balsamic_Chicken> what is hardc0re
[05:55] <Balsamic_Chicken> is that a typo
[05:55] <underdog5004> flaccid, I know I did...at 14
[05:55] <Dr_willis> wouldent the act of doing the survey - expose the kids... thus.. making it 100%?
[05:55] <underdog5004> bleagh...never looked at my aunt betty the same...
[05:55] <flaccid> hehe
[05:56] <Dr_willis> Those Archie Comics! They took away my childhood!!!
[05:56] <flaccid> you thought about your aunt when you sufred the pr0n on the net at 14 ?
[05:56] <flaccid> sound healthy :)
[05:56] <soulrider> is it me or this article is bs? http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/secid;9652
[05:56] <underdog5004> flaccid, uh...yeah...
[05:56] <dwidmann> flaccid: that's whack dude
[05:56] <dddude55_> where is the KDE control center o_O
[05:57] <underdog5004> Dr_willis, seriously...can't believe Betty and Veronica are available to minors...oh well...
[05:57] <flaccid> wtf is linux zone
[05:57] <Dr_willis> i always put an PanelApplet icon for it on the panel dddude55
[05:57] <dwidmann> flaccid: maybe he found his aunt :O
[05:57] <Dr_willis> underdog5004,  those chicks are hot after all these years... :)
[05:57] <flaccid> dwidmann: yeah well i didn't do it he did hhe!
[05:57] <underdog5004> oh yeah!
[05:57] <flaccid> dddude55: in the kmenu or run kcontrol
[05:58] <underdog5004> they were pretty...helpful a few times...
[05:58] <soulrider> i wonder how they came up with that "1% is pr0n"
[05:58] <Dr_willis> % of data moved...
[05:58] <xsacha> "Did you know that 120% of the data on the internet is pr0n?"
[05:59] <Dr_willis> or % of web sites.. or % of site names
[05:59] <underdog5004> seriously
[05:59] <flaccid> soulrider: by asking google and microsoft
[05:59] <flaccid> but yeah who knows how
[05:59] <Dr_willis> if you ask the Porn Filter program sites - they will say its 99% porn!
[05:59] <flaccid> it assumes that all pr0n pages are publicly indexed...
[05:59] <flaccid> hehehehe
[05:59] <Dr_willis> and they are ALL out to get YOU and your kids!
[06:00] <soulrider> it is kinda creepy that minors can look at pr0n
[06:00] <Dr_willis> Porn is Bad! but "Texas Holdem" sites/tournies are ok...
[06:00] <soulrider> but they willa llways find a wya to do so anyways...
[06:00] <underdog5004> rofl
[06:00] <flaccid> the best figure i found is that in 2003 12% of actual sites
[06:00] <soulrider> Dr_willis: i agree with you
[06:00] <Dr_willis> Kids always want to do what they are not supposed to do. :)
[06:01] <flaccid> its not creepy its good
[06:01] <xsacha> 7-17 year olds who would freely give out home address 29%             7-17 year olds who would freely give out email address       14%
[06:01] <Dr_willis> I say Set up porn for all their homepages! get them SICK of it!
[06:01] <xsacha> WTF?
[06:01] <flaccid> we used just walk around fucking each other you know
[06:01] <Dr_willis> flaccid,  now ya got to have the web cams ready and rolling!
[06:01] <dwidmann> The creepiest number I saw on that one survey was saying that $3billion of the revenue was from child porn :(
[06:01] <soulrider> lol
[06:01] <soulrider> dwidmann: that really is creepy
[06:01] <flaccid> yeah thats a scary stat
[06:01] <underdog5004> xsacha, lol
[06:01] <underdog5004> 3 Billion...with a B?
[06:01] <flaccid> now that is creepy
[06:01] <dwidmann> underdog5004: yes
[06:02] <Dr_willis> dwidmann,   its very easy to lie with stats like that.
[06:02] <dwidmann> dr_willis, it's very easy to lie in general
[06:02] <soulrider> schools should have sex education, and teach about diversity
[06:02] <underdog5004> lol, I would sell porn of me, underage...if it was just me getting off...
[06:02] <Dr_willis> its very easy to lie with any stats. :)
[06:02] <DBO> ok guys...  really... what are we talking about and why?  also flaccid try to keep the swearing to a minimum
[06:02] <underdog5004> hope I don't get kicked for that one...
[06:02] <dddude55_> is it bad if my touch pad is under psaux
[06:02] <dddude55_> in the xorg.con
[06:02] <Dr_willis> 50% of peole belive that they are half the population!
[06:02] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:02] <flaccid> DBO: i only swore once. thats pretty minimal. you can't swear 0.5.
[06:02] <flaccid> :)
[06:02] <Dr_willis> dddude55_,  thats often normal for the device to be /dev/psaux
[06:03] <dddude55_> ok
[06:03] <xsacha> "17% of all women struggle with a pornography addiction."  In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-2 (edgy), package size 260 kB, installed size 696 kB
[06:12] <flaccid> interesting definitions http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ghey
[06:12] <surgy> how do i see a network share? do i have to mount it?
[06:13] <flaccid> surgy: smb://server/ or smb:/ or smb://server/share in konqueror
[06:13] <flaccid> and wtf am i watching golf
[06:14] <dwidmann> surgy: systems -> remote places -> samba shares -> works also
[06:14] <dddude55_> surgy: i want to k now also
[06:14] <shinigami> what's the log file to see what are the errors when booting up (to login screen)
[06:14] <flaccid> i also love krusader for smb
[06:14] <dddude55_> i click a network computer and it shows nothing
[06:15] <dwidmann> Hmm, I've never seen this before, what is the lan:// ioslave for?
[06:15] <flaccid> shinigami: not sure if all go in there. but /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages
[06:15] <surgy> dwidmann: theres no "remote places" in system or did you mean system settings?
[06:15] <dwidmann> surgy: I mean the system menu
[06:15] <dwidmann> should be right beside the k-menu
[06:15] <dwidmann> on a default setup
[06:16] <flaccid> which will take you to smb:/ hmm thats handy thanks dwidmann
[06:16] <shinigami> because i seem to be stuck at a blank screen,until i press ctrl alt-7 then the login screen loads up..but i wanna check the logs..
[06:16] <surgy> dwidmann: i see it thnx
[06:17] <flaccid> shinigami: hmm maybe your usplash is rooted. i noticed issues on edgy with it. you try the other ttys ?
[06:17] <shinigami> usplash is rooted..where's my usplash?
[06:17] <shinigami> that means i just change the ownership right?
[06:17] <flaccid> usplash is the splash screen
[06:17] <surgy> dwidmann: but no shares are showing up..... and i know that my g/f has shared docs on her windows comp
[06:18] <flaccid> surgy: you probably need netbios resolution
[06:18] <dwidmann> it takes about 10 secs for mine, but I'm assuming you waited
[06:18] <flaccid> surgy: no shares or no computers?
[06:18] <dwidmann> surgy: try typing in "smb://mshome
[06:18] <dddude55_> i have remote places under system
[06:18] <calvarez> hello! I installed kubuntu edgy in a laptop. After a fresh install, neither apt-get nor adept will allow me to install more things. adept simply has everything grayed out, and apt-get says it cannot find the packages. IS there a repo config problem? In the past the repos would be configured properly right after a clean install
[06:18] <shinigami> sbin/usplash?
[06:18] <dddude55_> i see my network and click it
[06:19] <dddude55_> it shows the other 3 comps on the network
[06:19] <flaccid> to verfity that it works in gui smb://IPaddressOfComputer and in konsole smbclient -NL //ipaddressofserver
[06:19] <dddude55_> i click a comp and none of the shared folders are there
[06:20] <dddude55_> i timed out trying to see folders on the network
[06:20] <flaccid> right. um put the share name in the URI manually and see if the share loads
[06:20] <flaccid> eg. //computer/SharedDocs
[06:20] <flaccid> you can hide smb shares, but its not something presented in windows
[06:20] <surgy> dwidmann:
[06:20] <surgy> surgy@surgy:~$ smb://mshome
[06:20] <surgy> bash: smb://mshome: No such file or directory
[06:20] <surgy> surgy@surgy:~$
[06:20] <shinigami> how to find out if my usplash is rooted??
[06:20] <surgy> and no computers or shares
[06:20] <dwidmann> surgy, can't do it in bash
[06:20] <dwidmann> I meant to do it in Konqueror
[06:21] <flaccid> thats a URI not a command
[06:21] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:21] <dddude55_> it says 2 items, no files, 2 folders
[06:21] <dddude55_> i typed in the shared name of the folder
[06:21] <dddude55_> nothing
[06:21] <flaccid> surgy: smbtree is handy as a command
[06:21] <Dr_willis> i like smb4k
[06:21] <flaccid> dddude55: try the command line tools
[06:21] <surgy> dwidmann:ok
[06:21] <flaccid> you'll get the error if you do smbclient //server/share
[06:21] <dddude55_> ok i see a folder on the other comp
[06:21] <flaccid> a folder or share?
[06:22] <surgy> dwidmann: nothing is in mshome
[06:22] <Dr_willis> the samba shares some times take a little time to show up.
[06:22] <dddude55_> folder, and i see whats in the folder
[06:22] <dddude55_> i have 2 comps in mshome
[06:22] <dddude55_> 1 comp times out, the other shows everuthing
[06:22] <dwidmann> surgy, are both comps on?
[06:22] <flaccid> well lif your workgoup is not mshome its not going to work
[06:22] <surgy> dwidmann: i got a timeout from konq
[06:22] <flaccid> ok then the problem is most likely with that computer that is timing out. eg. firewall
[06:23] <dddude55_> i see
[06:23] <surgy> dwidmann: i was just making sure my end was set up right
[06:23] <flaccid> verifty in konsole using smbclient
[06:23] <dddude55_> lol come to think of it, i dont think i have any folders shared on that comp
[06:23] <surgy> dwidmann: im guessing the problem is on her end
[06:23] <flaccid> then let me know the error
[06:23] <flaccid> i think with xp now you have to enable sharing as its off by default
[06:23] <dddude55_> yeah cause the other comp doesnt see it either lol
[06:23] <dddude55_> thats why
[06:23] <dwidmann> surgy, probably, konqueror will pick up samba shares without even having samba configured at all on your end
[06:24] <shinigami> how to find out if my usplash is rooted??
[06:24] <dwidmann> shinigami: rooted?
[06:24] <dddude55_> teehee im looking at my bros pics...
[06:24] <surgy> dwidmann: and by samba shares you mean it will pick up the files that are shared via winxp?
 shinigami: hmm maybe your usplash is rooted. i noticed issues on edgy with it. you try the other ttys ?
[06:25] <flaccid> dwidmann: not always. most of the time you need to be on the same workgroup especially if the smb servers are windows
[06:25] <dwidmann> surgy: yes
[06:25] <flaccid> shinigami: im sorry i can't help you with usplash.
[06:25] <dwidmann> flaccid: you dont' even have to install samba to browse samba shares in konqui
[06:25] <surgy> kewl thnx
[06:25] <flaccid> um yes in konqueror
[06:25] <shinigami> but what you mean by rooted? the file ownership?
[06:25] <dddude55_> where does limewire save files
[06:25] <flaccid> you still need smbclient
[06:25] <dddude55_> im looking for my bros music and crap
[06:26] <flaccid> shinigami: i said rooted coz i don't know what the problem is
[06:26] <dwidmann> The best thing I ever did for usplash was disabling it
[06:26] <dwidmann> Too buggy for my tastes
[06:27] <vn-> hi, whats the default driver installed by kubuntu for nvidia cards?
[06:27] <vn-> graphic
[06:27] <dwidmann> Plus after disabling it my system boots 1-2 seconds faster ...
[06:27] <flaccid> you don't need smb server but you do need client and a valid smb.conf depending on your NetBT setup with election
[06:27] <flaccid> it gets quite complicated
[06:27] <Dr_willis> vn-,  i would guess it uses the 'nv' driver
[06:27] <dwidmann> vn-: it'll either select vesa or nv
[06:27] <dddude55_> i cant cahnge clock settings
[06:27] <shinigami> oh..ok
[06:27] <dddude55_> i was in it then closed
[06:27] <dddude55_> went in again and it says something about su
[06:27] <vn-> any way I can know?
[06:27] <Dr_willis> vn-,  look in the xorg.conf file
[06:27] <dddude55_> su kde returned with an error
[06:28] <flaccid> !nvidia
[06:28] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:28] <vn-> ok, got vesafb
[06:28] <shinigami> because i noticed, after upgrading to edgy, some application i need to run gives me a QFontLoader: Internal error............
[06:28] <flaccid> !xorg.conf
[06:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xorg.conf - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:28] <flaccid> hmmm
[06:28] <shinigami> what's QFontLoader???
[06:28] <Dr_willis> vesafb? that would be odd...
[06:28] <flaccid> i'd probably use the nv driver. the vesa driver is good when you can't use something else but sux otherwise
[06:28] <rexbron> hey, I am having trouble changing the kicker background, it will not change from the default (another image is selected but there is no change when applying)
[06:29] <dddude55_> lol is it bad to transfer 5.82 gigs over the network
[06:29] <vn-> k well I wanna put beryl
[06:29] <dwidmann> flaccid: in my experience the nv and vesa drivers suck equally
[06:29] <Morbo> dddude55_- A private network?
[06:29] <flaccid> its better to transfer 10TB
[06:29] <dddude55_> yeah
[06:29] <Morbo> dddude55_- Between computers, probably not
[06:29] <dddude55_> like my comp to my laptop
[06:29] <vn-> bah I'll wait another day
[06:29] <shinigami> !qfontloader
[06:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qfontloader - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:29] <flaccid> dwidmann: hehe probably. i guess i'm not a gamer
[06:29] <Morbo> It'd be best if you had some sort of rate limiting
[06:29] <vn-> ttyl thanks
[06:29] <Morbo> Unless you're the only user :p
[06:29] <flaccid> transfer whatever size files you like on your LAN...
[06:30] <dddude55_> so wahts the point of having wireless cards that go 54MBits per/second, if hdd's are the same speed
[06:30] <dwidmann> flaccid: it's not just that, but simple things like smooth scrolling, autoscrolling, scrolling, moving windows, etc. Painful with the nv or the vesa drivers
[06:30] <Morbo> dddude55_- Cache/memory
[06:30] <flaccid> hdds are not same speed huh
[06:30] <Morbo> Anyways, hdds are 100-300 mbps
[06:30] <flaccid> ok luck im' on ati
[06:30] <Morbo> Well, unless you count ATA33
[06:30] <dddude55_> i meant trhey arent really getting faster
[06:31] <dwidmann> dddude55_: my hard drive tops out at about 63MB/s
[06:31] <dddude55_> like 7200 is highend, and 10something is best right now
[06:31] <flaccid> um SATA is heaps mad
[06:31] <Morbo> dddude55_- You're forgetting about memory and cache
[06:31] <Dr_willis> now we need a way to use USB thumbdrives as cache! :)
[06:31] <Morbo> dddude55_- 15K rpm, actually
[06:31] <dddude55_> vista does that
[06:31] <Morbo> dddude55_- But you'll only find that on expensive SCSI drives
[06:31] <flaccid> and yeah 54mbps is the max speed which is usually unreachable. the speed reduces depending on signal quality and shiz
[06:31] <dddude55_> vista can use flash sticks as memory
[06:32] <Morbo> dddude55_- He knows.
[06:32] <Dr_willis> dddude55_,  theres supposed to be new hard drives that include a gb or so of 'usb drive' stuff on them for caching. :)
[06:32] <dwidmann> Timing cached reads:   3468 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1734.22 MB/sec
[06:32] <dwidmann>  Timing buffered disk reads:  190 MB in  3.01 seconds =  63.05 MB/sec
[06:32] <Morbo> dddude55_- He was kidding.
[06:32] <flaccid> so when the new protocols come out, you won't go that full speed but you'll be going a lot faster than on 54G
[06:32] <Dr_willis> We need Ram Drives!
[06:32] <Dr_willis> We need Warp Drives!
[06:32] <flaccid> ouch
[06:33] <shinigami> !font
[06:33] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[06:33] <flaccid> no we just need to wait for flash solid state to get faster. its getting pretty fast now
[06:33] <flaccid> well it is in experimental
[06:33] <dwidmann> Dr_willis: if you lend me 100,000 I'll get you one
[06:33] <dddude55_> i gotta find that one ep of bleach off this comp
[06:33] <Dr_willis> actually i could use a adaptor to go from Compact Flash to Laptop sized IDE conector...
[06:34] <feltman> anyone knows about scim?
[06:34] <feltman> i want to write my one language character with firefox
[06:34] <surgy> !nvidia surgy
[06:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nvidia surgy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:35] <surgy> lol
[06:35] <feltman> so i installed scim-gtk2-immodule
[06:35] <surgy> just testing :)
[06:35] <feltman> other programes like openoffice, kate do well with scim
[06:36] <feltman> but with firefox, i can't write
[06:36] <feltman> does anyone know?
[06:36] <dwidmann> feltman, does it work for you with konqueror?
[06:37] <feltman> yes, i can type with konqueror
[06:37] <feltman> i can also type with openoffice
[06:37] <feltman> but i cannot with firefox
[06:38] <feltman> i have searched ubuntuforums.org for several hours, i still can't find any solution
[06:40] <surgy> ok the computer is definately on
[06:40] <dddude55_> umm ok
[06:40] <dddude55_> i copied music from the other comp
[06:40] <surgy> and the hdd is shared but i cant see the share in smb
[06:41] <surgy> dddude55: yeah?
[06:41] <dddude55_> but when i play it it immediately says playlist finished
[06:41] <surgy> what are you playing it with?
[06:42] <dddude55_> i dont know, i think kaffeine, nothing pops up but a lil window
[06:42] <surgy> ok open amarok
[06:42] <surgy> amarok has all the features of windows media player plsu some and is nice
[06:42] <surgy> use that
[06:42] <surgy> open amarok import media library point it at your media directory and play
[06:43] <sasoyna> Hi guys.A question about Samba; Adept find Samba Network Servers
[06:43] <sasoyna> Package: xffm4
[06:43] <sasoyna> File manager for the Xfce4 desktop environment
[06:43] <sasoyna> xffm is the file manager of the Xfce4 desktop environment which combines the previous work in xftree, xfsamba and xfglob.
[06:43] <sasoyna> Homepage: http://www.xfce.org/  i use Kde tha's the right packet or somthing else?
[06:43] <surgy> or search for media files
[06:43] <flaccid> what are you trying to play in amarok that is failing?
[06:43] <dddude55_> nope thats the one popping up the window, but kaff doesnt work either
[06:43] <flaccid> !paste > sasoyna
[06:43] <dddude55_> i havnt gotten any codecs, do i need to
[06:43] <dddude55_> mp3
[06:43] <surgy> you want the mps kodec?
[06:43] <surgy> !mp3
[06:43] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:43] <flaccid> yeah you need em
[06:44] <mortici> is there any reason why apt-get update wouldn't get updates from a repo? even tho it shows in the repo that it has been updated?
[06:44] <dddude55_> umm so how do i play mp3's if they are restricted
[06:45] <flaccid> restricted how
[06:45] <Tm_T> dddude55_: Check those urls.
[06:45] <dddude55_> idk on one of those pages the boit said it said they are restricted
[06:45] <sasoyna> >>flaccid: !paste > sasoyna ;sorry i am niewbie:) to irc & kubuntu what you mean?
[06:46] <makuseru> hi, i try to do a "apt-get -f install" to fix some problems, and i get this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3663/ can someone please help me
[06:46] <flaccid> sasoyna: do not paste more than 2 lines
[06:46] <kasper> hi all
[06:46] <wright007> hi
[06:46] <flaccid> restricted as in the packages are not free software. you can install
[06:47] <flaccid> its just called restricted
[06:47] <sasoyna> >>flaccid: sasoyna: do not paste more than 2 lines :Ok tkx
[06:47] <kasper> where i can find a flash plugin that work?
[06:47] <surgy> dddude55: you need to learn how to enable repositorys
[06:47] <surgy> !restricted
[06:47] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:47] <feltman> somebody using scim, help me!
[06:47] <sasoyna> >> flaccid: yeah you need em :tha's was for samba?
[06:48] <flaccid> sasoyna: no that was for dddude55
[06:48] <dddude55_> so enable the ones under gstream?
[06:48] <kasper> the fonts on my actual flash plugin is not showed
[06:48] <sasoyna> sorry
[06:48] <surgy> dddude55: type this and read over that a few time: sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list    it says how to enable them there
[06:48] <Flying_Eagle> makuseru, did you do apt-get autoremove?
[06:48] <flaccid> !fonts > kasper
[06:48] <dddude55_> konsole
[06:48] <dddude55_> wtf lol konsole opened but didnt take focus
[06:48] <makuseru> Flting_Eagle: didnt try that, dunno why, ill try now
[06:49] <Flying_Eagle> and have you tried to uninstall beryl-plugins-nonfree before installing the other package?
[06:49] <kasper> !Multiverse
[06:49] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:49] <flaccid> dddude55: you can change window behaviour in kcontrol
[06:49] <kasper> !fonts
[06:49] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[06:49] <Flying_Eagle> i think, everything there ist to know stands right in the error-message, makuseru
[06:50] <dddude55_> i tried that line, it said timestamp too far in the future
[06:50] <surgy> dddude55: so whats your problem exactly?
[06:50] <dddude55_> idk lol
[06:50] <dddude55_> i have alot of problems right now
[06:51] <dddude55_> i suppose wireless should be the top priority so i can get out of this uncomfy chair
[06:51] <makuseru> Flting_Eagle: You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. same error i get when i ACCTUALLY do -f, how can i fix this? i seem to be going in circles
[06:51] <surgy> dddude55: then im no help to you unless you have a specific question
[06:51] <sasoyna> anyone know how can i download samba on kubuntu?
[06:51] <dddude55_> lol ok
[06:51] <flaccid> sasoyna: install the package samba
[06:51] <dddude55_> im gonna try and figure this out on my own anyways ^)^
[06:52] <surgy> ok
[06:53] <kasper> THANKS THANKS.... by.. dont work..
[06:53] <kasper> wait wait
[06:53] <dddude55_> gotta restart, everything is returning a su error
[06:53] <sasoyna> flaccid: the only package adept find is Package: xffm4 and it's for the Xfce4 desktop environment.That's right for kde?
[06:54] <flaccid> sasoyna: no
[06:54] <unity> i've got an nvidia geforce fx 5200, and two monitors, i tried configuring them with the kubuntu GUI tools.. and they made it so my xorg.conf was configured in such a way that x wouldn't even load..
[06:54] <flaccid> !info samba
[06:54] <ubotu> samba: a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix. In component main, is optional. Version 3.0.22-1ubuntu4 (edgy), package size 2836 kB, installed size 7200 kB
[06:55] <unity> anyone have an example of an xorg.conf file using two monitors on my card?
[06:55] <flaccid> sasoyna: i do not know why its not coming up in adept. run sudo apt-get install samba from konsole
[06:55] <makuseru> hi, i try to do a "apt-get -f install" to fix some problems, and i get this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3663/ can someone please help me
[06:55] <sasoyna> tnkx. i try now
[06:55] <mbelleza> hello im new to kubuntu...how to join a new channel for ruby in konversation??????????/anyone???
[06:57] <intelikey> /join #anychannel
[06:57] <mbelleza> tanx...
[06:57] <intelikey> /join ##somechannels
[06:58] <kasper> !info fonts
[06:58] <ubotu> Package fonts does not exist in any distro I know
[06:58] <unity> speaking of.. does /server -m wha.te.ver work?
[06:58] <kasper> !info
[06:58] <ubotu> info: Standalone GNU Info documentation browser. In component main, is standard. Version 4.8.dfsg.1-1ubuntu0.1 (edgy), package size 159 kB, installed size 328 kB
[06:58] <kasper> !info list
[06:58] <ubotu> Package list does not exist in any distro I know
[06:58] <kasper> !info --help
[06:58] <kasper> !info -h
[06:58] <dddude55_> back ^_^
[06:59] <intelikey> !help > kasper
[06:59] <kasper> hehehe... tnx
[06:59] <kasper> !help
[06:59] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[07:00] <unity> !help nvidia
[07:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about help nvidia - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:00] <intelikey> !nvidia
[07:00] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:01] <sasoyna>  flaccid: I install it but i have errors: account_policy_get: tdb_fetch_uint32 failed for field 1 (min password length), returning 0 .I hope good:)
[07:02] <flaccid> sasoyna: don't know about that error sorry
[07:03] <sasoyna>  flaccid: Right man you gave me your help  & that's enough Thanks
[07:03] <flaccid> np
[07:04] <sasoyna> now i must work with google
[07:04] <BishiNightBird> .... wow... I think I screwed up my kubuntu install...
[07:04] <surgy> GOOD NIGHT OH LAND OF MISTERIOUS KUBUNTU
[07:04] <dddude55_> when it says an additional 19.9Mb of disk space will be lost...
[07:04] <dddude55_> does that just mean it takes up that much space?
[07:04] <surgy> and fare the well
[07:04] <intelikey> thee
[07:05] <surgy> intelikey: you ruin everything....... j/k
[07:05] <intelikey> (:
[07:05] <surgy> dddude55: yes thats exactly what it means
[07:05] <surgy> night all
[07:05] <dddude55_> ok ty ty
[07:05] <intelikey> good night ku bu naut
[07:06] <dddude55_> i already had universe/multi unlocked from adept
[07:06] <dddude55_> i just didnt know the right packages but i got it now
[07:06] <dddude55_> no go with kubunut
[07:06] <dddude55_> kubun tu*
[07:06] <dddude55_> its much prettier lol
[07:06] <dddude55_> and so far easier to set up
[07:06] <BishiNightBird> dddude55, the prettier factor can easily be changed with different themes...
 and so far easier to set up<<<  ?
[07:07] <intelikey> it's the same system for crying out loud
[07:07] <dddude55_> lol
[07:07] <BishiNightBird> yeah, for ubuntu/kubuntu, it's a question of "do you want kde, or do you want gnome"
[07:07] <dddude55_> they are released with different base features, thats all
[07:07] <dddude55_> diff start up screens
[07:08] <unity> kde/gnome
[07:08] <dddude55_> kde pwns gnome ^_^
[07:08] <dddude55_> although i like gnomes name lol
[07:08] <unity> i think so too
[07:08] <intelikey> not "base" features.   default features.     base system is exactactly alike
[07:09] <dddude55_> intelikey likes to point out how noobish i am
[07:09] <intelikey> (:
[07:09] <dddude55_> do i need libdvdcss2 to read dvd isos as well
[07:10] <dwidmann> dddude55_ yes
[07:10] <intelikey> to decode them
[07:10] <calvarez> ok, question: I have an nvidia card, and I want to install beryl, so I need a 1.0.9xxx nvidia driver. Do I have to install it manually (the one in the repos is 1.0.87xx)
[07:10] <dddude55_> darn, now i gotta go find waht repository has that