[05:32] <SaEeDIRHA> hello , i have a problem i was hoping i could get help here , i have installed kubuntu 21.10 on my laptop, when i connect external monitor through HDMI , it detects the sound out put and i can see the sound bar is moving, but i there is not sound coming out of my external monitor
[05:33] <SaEeDIRHA> first i thought could be a driver problem , but if that is the case , how come i can see the bar is moving as it is playing normaly ,but there is no sound coming out of external monitor
[05:33] <SaEeDIRHA> :-/
[05:34] <SaEeDIRHA> the laptop speakers work normally
[06:37] <user|33> Hi, I am new to this. I do not wish to use Microsoft anymore , can I replace it with this?
[07:10] <Alabalistic> hi hope still here
[07:12] <Alabalistic> well you can left click ot your speaker icon in the menu left click on the hamburger meny the 3 lines. and there you will hava a list to choose from to send the audio, shame he i gone away right
 That's a hard captcha
[16:08] <Rard> yep
[16:24] <Rard> list
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 Hello I have deleted the Bluetooth software today and now I can not get an Internet connection neither LAN nor WLAN. I can understand WLAN because the Bluetooth is connected to the WLAN card and I probably also deleted this software unfortunately. but the LAN does not work I do not understand. can someone help me with that? Greeting
[22:34] <user|84> My headphones (Logitech g533) volume control doesn't adjust the volume. Is there a way to get around this?
 try reloading the driver. (re @SA: Hello I have deleted the Bluetooth software today and now I can not get an Internet connection neither LAN nor WLAN. I can understand WLAN because the Bluetooth is connected to the WLAN card and I probably also deleted this software unfortunately. but the LAN does not work I do not understand. can someone help me with that? Greeting)
 find out the "kernel module" for your net, type
 lspci -knn | grep Net -A3
 reload the module, type
 sudo modprobe {enter kernel module name here as identified in previous command}
 sample: sudo modprobe rtw88_8821ce


[00:36] <bluesabre> back
[00:36] <bluesabre> nighty flocculant
[00:39] <bluesabre> knome: poke
[02:15] <bluesabre> dkessel: updated the packaging for the mousepad recipe, now we just need a new commit on http://git.xfce.org/apps/mousepad/ to get new builds
[04:19] <dkessel> thanks bluesabre :)
[10:14] <flocculant> Unit193: do you use (or have) the apt-offline doobiwotsit? could you look at the updates to the docs page I have done for that :)
[10:15] <flocculant> https://code.launchpad.net/~flocculant/xubuntu-docs/updates/+merge/277329
[11:05] <knome> a wild ochosi appears
[11:29] <astraljava> Hahah
[14:09] <Unit193> flocculant: I briefly looked over it.
[14:13] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/DeveloperDocumentation
[14:13] <knome> :]
[14:19] <flocculant> Unit193: cheers - just wanted to make sure it makes sense
[14:19] <Unit193> ...the apt-offline doobiwotsit... didn't. :P
[14:26] <flocculant> :p
[16:09] <flocculant> bluesabre: so parole not playing films using clutter here
[19:12] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Should just running ./configure --enable-maintainer-mode work?
[19:12] <Noskcaj> (for mousepad)
[21:46] <ochosi> evening folks
[21:46] <flocculant> ochosi: evening :)
[21:46] <knome> hello ochosi
[21:47] <ochosi> so what's clickin?
[21:47] <flocculant> most of my joints
[21:48] <flocculant> ochosi: so you found the poll thread yesterday - don't forget to do more than read it :D
[21:48] <ochosi> yeah, for some reason i dont receive ML mails anymore
[21:48] <ochosi> no idea what's up with that
[21:48] <ochosi> had no time to check it out last night
[21:49] <ochosi> but will now
[21:49] <flocculant> that's odd then
[21:49] <ochosi> yeah, no clue, haven't changed anything in the subscription or the email filters
[21:50] <Unit193> Spam.
[21:51] <Unit193> Or knome removed you to mess with you.
[21:51] <ochosi> both is possible or even probable
[21:51] <knome> it's the baby who is (literally) messing with ochosi
[21:52] <flocculant> s/with/on
[21:52] <knome> ;)
[21:52] <ochosi> gee, did anyone warn those guys on the ML in terms of spamming us with their "votes"?
[21:53] <Unit193> Did you read te first one?
[21:53] <knome> ochosi, didn't you see my reply to the thread?
[21:53] <flocculant> ochosi: I was silly enough to think that a centre justified line in bold would suffice
[21:54] <ochosi> flocculant: sorry, my emails are plaintext ;)
[21:54] <flocculant> :)
[21:54] <flocculant> but it was still line #1 I hope :D
[21:54] <knome> flocculant, who reads the first line?
[21:54] <ochosi> right right, i'm still catching up on the thread and i started from the bottom here (for some odd reason): https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-November/thread.html
[21:54] <Unit193> I used a text client, it was very clear too. :P
[21:54] <knome> well i guess it's become a habit for you to work with the bottom
[21:55] <flocculant> ha ha
[21:56] <ochosi> knome: yeah yeah, i'm just waiting for you... ;)
[21:56] <knome> i know
[21:56] <knome> but i'll use this non-overlapping time as well as i can
[21:56] <ochosi> haha
[21:56] <ochosi> can't argue with that
[21:57] <knome> just tell me if i'm going too far
[21:57] <ochosi> sure thing :)
[21:57] <knome> and i'll tell your baby she can stop crying because you have picked up the crybaby hat of the family
[21:57] <ochosi> :D
[21:57] <knome> you weren't expecting THAT
[21:58] <ochosi> i wasn't expecting THAT
[21:58] <flocculant> ha ha ha
[21:58] <ochosi> :)
[22:00] <ochosi> ok, more serious note
[22:00] <ochosi> anyone up for fosdem in february?
[22:00] <ochosi> i know it's early to ask
[22:00] <flocculant> not me
[22:00] <ochosi> but then again, asking later might even make less sense
[22:00] <knome> silly brussels
[22:00] <ochosi> we still have time to gather some funding
[22:00] <knome> the fosdem website says 30/31 january
[22:01] <knome> so i don't think anybody is going there in february
[22:01] <ochosi> ok ok
[22:01] <ochosi> so that then
[22:01] <knome> i don't think so, but if enough people from the team will attend, and i will be desperate enough avoiding the poop cannons, maybe
[22:02] <Unit193> Not me either.
[22:02] <knome> also, i wonder why "beer" is mentioned as the first thing int he fosdem header.
[22:04] <ochosi> because brussels - belgium - beer?
[22:04] <knome> :P
[22:05] <Unit193> Well considering we're talking about beer, vomit, and poop in here I suppose saying I'm rebuilding the xubuntu-core isos isn't that bad of spam. :P
[22:05] <ochosi> meh, Unit193 is sooo on-topic
[22:06] <flocculant> :)
[22:06] <Unit193> Nono, it's spam, 'community' stuff and all.
[22:06] <knome> the reason why we talk about poop and vomit is to make Unit193 more comfortable in this room
[22:06] <ochosi> flocculant: ever heard anything from that jenkins testing initiative again?
[22:06] <flocculant> ochosi: it's not dead
[22:06] <ochosi> oh, that's comforting news
[22:07] <flocculant> it does work mostly for ubuntu, there's issues getting it to work on flavours from the last update
[22:07] <flocculant> the guy who's been working on it I've not seen for a few weeks
[22:07] <Unit193> Also, everyone vote for which IRCC member looks best?
[22:08] <flocculant> ochosi: oh hang on
 balloons: at this stage I would like to at least see that the image boots to a desktop
[22:08] <flocculant> balloons> right right. They were keen to see the same thing
[22:09] <flocculant> that was during one of the uos sessions apparently
[22:09] <ochosi> ok
[22:09] <flocculant> I do at least check that images boot properly once a day
[22:09] <ochosi> wow, that's definitely something we should automate
[22:10] <knome> ++
[22:10] <flocculant> that's what they're trying to do
[22:10] <flocculant> and just checking the manifest file size gives a clue that it's not gone horribly wrong too
[22:11] <flocculant> doesn't obviously prove it boots - but if the file is too small then it's not going to :)
[22:11] <ochosi> i haven't ever gotten into this myself, but wasn't there that ubuntu autopilot python app that helped with app-testing?
[22:12]  * ochosi feels a bit silly for asking this
[22:12] <flocculant> ochosi: pretty sure that's what I'm talking about
[22:12] <Unit193> Thought so, but only GTK3.
[22:12] <flocculant> ochosi: there are 2 basic types - iso and packages
[22:12] <flocculant> packages hates gtk2
[22:12] <ochosi> thing is, in my current dayjob i work with jenkins a lot
[22:12] <flocculant> which is why we never got far
[22:12] <ochosi> right
[22:12] <ochosi> i wonder why it doesn't work with gtk2
[22:13] <flocculant> ochosi: I promise never to tell balloons
[22:13] <ochosi> flocculant: thank you.
[22:13] <flocculant> ochosi: it doesn't introspect properly - whatever that means
[22:13] <ochosi> oh that
[22:13] <ochosi> right, i guess there's nothing we can do about that, other than port xfce to gtk3
[22:13] <Unit193> Which'll be a sad day.
[22:14] <flocculant> and frankly - I don't mind that we don't get package testing - it's never going to be what people can do
[22:14] <flocculant> so - if we can kinda forget images as a daily issue I'd be happier
[22:14] <ochosi> Unit193: why? just keep using 4.12
[22:15] <ochosi> not sure, routine tests with apps can all be automated
[22:15] <ochosi> from what i learned, the LO guys even do some automated click-testing
[22:15] <ochosi> that works with *any* toolkit that accepts mouse-input
[22:16] <flocculant> ochosi: yes but we're finding more stuff with not routine use :)
[22:16] <ochosi> right, but then you can throw out all testcases ;)
[22:16] <ochosi> unless you decide to only write weird non-standard ones
[22:16] <knome> ochosi, i believe we could do that, but then it'd rely on mouse position instead of knowing that we are activating the right element
[22:17] <flocculant> ok - but then we have to hope people report things
[22:17] <ochosi> knome: if it's running in a fixed resolution automated environment that
[22:17] <ochosi> 's no problem
[22:17] <knome> don't we already have to hope for that even if they are running the predefined tests?
[22:17] <ochosi> flocculant: don't we have to hope that either way? :)
[22:17] <flocculant> knome: of course
[22:17] <flocculant> ochosi: ^^
[22:17] <ochosi> ;)
[22:17] <knome> ochosi, yeah, that's not the main problem - but what if some popup doesn't appear, or for some reason, the UI is off?
[22:18] <ochosi> knome: the UI is off..?
[22:18] <flocculant> but - at least we're asking people to test something AND saying report to the tracker anyway
[22:18] <ochosi> knome: if a popup doesn't appear, that's a bug, so the click-test found one. yay.
[22:18] <flocculant> not that we're getting much
[22:18] <knome> ochosi, an icon in a button is too large -> puts off all other buttons by X pixels?
[22:18] <knome> ochosi, and sure, it's finding bugs then, but meh
[22:18] <ochosi> knome: sounds like a bug to me!
[22:18] <knome> ochosi, if you ever change the UI, then you have to rewrite the test
[22:19] <knome> ochosi, but not if the test relies on gtk element ids
[22:19] <knome> and i guess figuring out if something went wrong is harder with the non-id stuff too
[22:19] <ochosi> well yes, i only mentioned the click tests as a last resort for classic "humans-only" things
[22:19] <ochosi> as an example of: even this can be automated
[22:19] <ochosi> not in the sense of: let's do all tests like that!
[22:20] <knome> sure
[22:20] <knome> besides, automated tests aren't exploratory either, they only test predefined scenarios too
[22:21] <knome> and most of the time start with a clean state
[22:22] <flocculant> which is why upgrade tests work
[22:22] <knome> :)
[22:22] <ochosi> exactly
[22:22] <ochosi> so they only are supposed to work in well-defined environments
[22:23] <flocculant> test should really say - add this bunch of random ppa's to the mix, make sure you have a prop graphics driver in use, fiddle with as many things as you can - then test it :D
[22:24] <flocculant> anyway - I'm off - night all :)
[22:25] <ochosi> night flocculant!
[22:46] <knome> krytarik, do we even need the language name list?
[22:46] <knome> krytarik, i don't think it's used by docbook internally, and we don't really refer to those entities manually either
[22:46] <krytarik> Yep, that's the list of native language names.
[22:46] <krytarik> For the translation links, that is.
[22:47] <knome> ok
[22:48] <knome> that looks like a good list
[22:48] <krytarik> \o/
[22:49] <krytarik> (For all other: http://paste.openstack.org/show/Zv2HRFVBuHzAEfhCtvjD/ )
[22:49] <krytarik> * others
[22:50] <knome> when can we expect to see a MP?
[22:51] <krytarik> Probably best to merge the current one first, and then I'll incorporate all the recent changes into mine.
[22:53] <krytarik> That is, I'll be trying to include them, and when further changes occur while I'm doing it, that'd be bad. :P
[22:57] <knome> ;)
[23:01] <krytarik> Btw, there are minor fixes for validation too, but not sure I should specifically list it. :P
[23:01] <knome> krytarik, where's the "current stuff"?
[23:02] <knome> not seeing in https://code.launchpad.net/xubuntu-docs/+activereviews
[23:02] <krytarik> Well, I see one there :P - https://code.launchpad.net/~flocculant/xubuntu-docs/updates/+merge/277329
[23:03] <knome> me too
[23:09] <krytarik> I mean, you could merge it after mine too, but then you'd need to take care of the changed ENTITY's at the top of the XMLs, I guess.
[23:09] <krytarik> Because it'd probably revert it.
[23:12] <knome> true
[23:13] <Unit193> Hrm, well is my old pre-bump all covered in the contributor docs now?  Can I rm it?
[23:14] <knome> Unit193, bump to new version numbers?
[23:14] <Unit193> Well not as explictly, so I guess I'll hold on to it.
[23:17] <Unit193> And does the contributor docs really need to be !English?  It's not like we'd really be able to work with any contributors that don't speak English, and the mailing lists require it.
[23:17] <knome> i've been thinking that too
[23:18] <Unit193> knome: domain/pre-bump.html
[23:18] <krytarik> Well, I think it's nice to offer the option to translate it anyway.
[23:18] <knome> Unit193, sigh, stop sending cryptic messages :P
[23:18] <krytarik> +1
[23:19] <Unit193> I'm trying to not spam that stupid ubuntulog.
[23:19] <Unit193> krytarik: Sure, but at the cost of having people put effort into translating it..
[23:21] <knome> one thing to consider now that XSD is there is if we want ANY translations for that
[23:21] <knome> it's sameish with licenses
[23:22] <knome> krytarik, ^ note that, we don't want to translate the CC license, so there's some reason to keep shipped-docs
[23:22] <krytarik> knome: I solved that though.
[23:22] <knome> aha.
[23:22] <knome> what about the strategy document?
[23:22] <knome> how do you solve that?
[23:22] <krytarik> Also, people forgot to update that file.
[23:22] <knome> maybe ;)
[23:22] <krytarik> If it's a separate XML, sure.
[23:23] <knome> i agree that life would be easier with that
[23:23] <knome> of course it's a separate xml file
[23:23] <krytarik> Then \o/
[23:24] <knome> so how do you solve that?
[23:24] <knome> a file that tells which files NOT to translate?
[23:24] <krytarik> Nope, just move it to 'libs-common'.
[23:24]  * knome facepalms
[23:24] <knome> i don't think that can be the answer for everything
[23:24] <knome> it's NOT a common thing
[23:25] <krytarik> Well, we could move anywhere you want - just not leave it in the main docs dir.
[23:25] <knome> well...
[23:25] <knome> i'd actually rather have it there :]
[23:27] <krytarik> Oh, and yes, it's a common thing - between the C docs and the translations.
[23:27] <krytarik> Just not the most appropriate place maybe.
[23:27] <krytarik> "libs...", that is.
[23:28] <knome> well, yeah, kind of...
[23:28] <knome> i would be happy with a file that listed files excluded from translations
[23:28] <knome> of course that's not ideal either, but hey...
[23:28] <knome> that file could be in libs-common
[23:29] <knome> i don't think we will have the problem that there's a file with the same name in both docs and we want to translate the other but not the other :P
[23:29] <krytarik> And for the CC license, also shared between the two doc variants.
[23:29] <knome> that's fine where it is
[23:37] <krytarik> For XMLs specific to only *one* of the doc variants, I guess both the easiest and most transparent way to do it would be to create a subdir within the main docs dir for them.
[23:38] <krytarik> That way we don't have to maintain and parse a lists file for them.
[23:38] <knome> meh
[23:38] <knome> :)
[23:38] <krytarik> * list
[23:39] <knome> i wonder if there could be any way to add a docbook attribute or something that told the script creating the pot file to not include strings in that file
[23:40] <krytarik> That'd be one for *you* then, yep. :P
[23:41] <krytarik> Either way, that doesn't affect my current changes.
[23:42] <knome> well i don't think there is a way
[23:42] <knome> xml2po is very simple
[23:50] <knome> krytarik, flocculant's merge is done, ready to take your MP
[23:50] <krytarik> Ugh. :D
[23:50] <knome> ;)=
[23:50] <krytarik> I'll work on it tomorrow.
[23:50] <krytarik> Because I'll have to merge quite some files manually.
[23:51] <knome> :)


[00:05] <grendal_prime> ok I'm  back
[00:05] <grendal_prime>  I know you guys were worried?
[00:18] <Spyros> Hello guys , i have an issue with filenames. They are utf-8 encoded and after moving server my php script doesn't find them anymore. My locale command says utf8 everywhere, what should i check next ?
[00:23] <Spyros> Here's the problem http://postimg.org/image/ayfk4yx4r/
[00:30] <keithzg> sarnold: There are indeed mosh builds for Android, or at least, JuiceSSH (the terminal/ssh client I generally use on Android) has mosh support.
[00:30] <sarnold> keithzg: nice :D
[00:31] <sarnold> spyros: you missed nothing while you were gone
[00:31] <sarnold> spyros: did the tool you used to copy data from server to server do something stupid with those filenames?
[00:32] <sarnold> spyros: it's hard to imagine what could have broken them in this day and age, I thought nearly everything did utf8 well.
[00:33] <sarnold> spyros: I'd chcek the filenames using e.g. ls | od    or | xxd  -- and you might need to use some switches to ask ls to molest output as little as possible. (Heck, maybe even grab a stupider ls that doesn't do as much :)
[00:44] <spyros> sarnold: i just realized something strange... i copied the files with the 'wget' command and the bad files occured. Now i copied them with filezilla to my windows machine and reuploaded to the new server and the filenames are ok now.  Should i try copying again with wget but using sftp ?
[00:48] <sarnold> spyros: sftp is a different protocol entirely, it's built on openssh
[00:49] <spyros> sarnold: does it respect encoding/filenames ?
[00:49] <sarnold> spyros: it should, yes
[02:50] <jak2000> isnt recommendable install vsftpd right? how to copy a file from windows to my server? i have ip/user/password
[02:55] <rbasak> jak2000: use SFTP or similar. Eg. PuTTY's PSCP or PSFTP. I have no idea if they give you a friendly UI or not though.
[02:57] <jak2000> ok
[02:57] <jak2000> sftp flashfxp
[02:58] <jak2000> thanks
[02:58] <jak2000> testing
[03:02] <cryptodan> filezilla
[03:04] <jak2000> done
[03:04] <jak2000> but have a problem
[03:05] <jak2000> cant enter to a folder
[03:05] <jak2000> i use a user named: jak, in /home/jak exist a floder named ftp
[03:05] <jak2000> cant acces it why?
[03:05] <sarnold> are you logging in with jak's credentials? what error message do you get when you try to access the directory?
[03:05] <sarnold> what owner / group / permissions are on the directory?
[03:08] <jak2000> Access Denied
[03:08] <jak2000> wait a moment
[03:10] <jak2000> http://pastie.org/9867092
[03:10] <jak2000> i can access to directory ftp2 but cant access to directory ftp
[03:10] <jak2000> how to fix it?
[03:11] <sarnold> jak2000: so, uh.. why is that directory setuid and setgid? is there a reason?
[03:14] <sarnold> jak2000: ... well, assuming you have no idea why those are set the way they are, you probably want to run "chmod 0755 ftp"
[03:17] <jak2000> ok
[03:17] <jak2000> changing
[03:19] <jak2000> done.....
[03:20] <jak2000> i am on windows, wich program need install for have a command line command? similar to command ftp?
[03:20] <sarnold> I think I heard putty has some command-line tools
[03:20] <jak2000> in the webpage
[03:20] <jak2000> ok, i try look, thanks
[08:52] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:11] <LeGallois> Hi, what is the difference between 12.04.4 and 12.04.5 please
[12:13] <LeGallois> Got a site that wont run using fastcgi on the 12.04.4 server but will on the 12.04.5 server???
[12:14] <LeGallois> well it will run but throws up sporadic error 500 pages
[12:15] <lordievader> LeGallois: Read the release notes.
[12:16] <lordievader> LeGallois: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes
[12:17] <LeGallois> ty
[12:20] <LeGallois> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/ChangeSummary/12.04.5  :) yet to be done by the looks
[12:24] <pmatulis> morning
[12:25] <lordievader> Hey pmatulis, how are you?
[12:26] <rbasak> LeGallois: the default kernel is different I think. Apart from that, a dist-upgrade from 12.04.4 will take you up to 12.04.5.
[12:27] <rbasak> (and the x.org stack but not relevant for server)
[12:33] <pmatulis> lordievader: good thanks, how are you doing?
[12:34] <lordievader> Doing good here, preparing for FOSDEM :D
[12:54] <bananamanjoe>  could someone help me with a simple problem? i want to set a static ip on my ubuntu server that´s running on vmware. but i get this: http://puu.sh/f8NMx/6d77cc186c.png my config looks like this: http://puu.sh/f8NK1/a635b91f47.png
[13:03] <RoyK> bananamanjoe: 255, not 225
[13:03] <bananamanjoe> oh you´re right, that was a stupid mistake. Thanks RoyK!
[14:57] <LeGallois> rbasak thanks
[15:39] <grendal_prime> this is sort of a werid off topic question (maybe) but Im looking to upgrade some server memory on my kvm servers.  These are dell 1650's 1 is a generic ibm built version of this model. I cant find any info about 4 gig ddr2 modules.
[15:39] <grendal_prime> technically it should work so long as i have matching pairs right?
[15:40] <RoyK> grendal_prime: yep
[15:41] <RoyK> grendal_prime: 1650 is rather old, right?
[15:41]  * RoyK thinks we're throwing out such machines these days
[15:41] <grendal_prime> ya, i mean i pick these up for a couple hundred bucks..but i can run 8 windows vms on them..and 16 or so linux.
[15:41] <grendal_prime> I use them for mini clouds.
[15:42] <RoyK> ok
[15:42] <RoyK> openstack?
[15:42] <grendal_prime> If your throwing those out let me know ill pay shipping on them to dban them for ya and make sure there cleared properly.
[15:43] <grendal_prime> no..well maybe minicloud is not the proper term.
[15:43] <grendal_prime> i build like appliances for small companys.
[15:43] <RoyK> grendal_prime: if so, shipping where?
[15:43]  * RoyK is in .no
[15:43] <grendal_prime> they do ..filer, vpn, and virtual hosting all in one box.
[15:43] <grendal_prime> im in california
[15:44] <RoyK> ah. probably more expensive to ship it than to get something from ebay :P
[15:44] <grendal_prime> where you at?
[15:44] <RoyK> things are rather expensive up here, shipping included, and those machines are rather heavy
[15:44] <RoyK> norway
[15:44] <grendal_prime> oh shit..ya that would be.
[15:44] <RoyK> :)
[15:44] <RoyK> next out is a small stack of R300s
[15:45] <grendal_prime> the 1650s are a 1u 4 drive deal
[15:45] <RoyK> ok
[15:46] <grendal_prime> but ya i get them off of tiger direct for 200 bucks, then a 3 year warranty for 40 bucks more.
[15:47] <RoyK> grendal_prime: should work well
[15:47] <RoyK> grendal_prime: but try openstack on them :)
[15:47] <grendal_prime> they only have 2X 4 core xenons in them
[15:47] <RoyK> xeon
[15:48] <RoyK> well, openstack isn't heavy, it just makes things easier to handle
[15:48] <RoyK> kvm is the one doing the hard work
[15:48] <grendal_prime> ya i have been looking into it for a bit. I run ubuntu on them now and then just use virtmanager from netbook or laptop to manage them.
[15:48] <RoyK> also in openstack
[15:49] <grendal_prime> every time ive started down the openstack road, i run into some sort of snag.  Usually in setup
[15:49] <RoyK> :P
[15:49] <grendal_prime> is there like an openstack "distro" now..like an install that utilizes apt repos?
[15:50] <RoyK> computer studies at hioa.no, where I work, have a 16 node openstack cluster, each node with 64 cores
[15:50] <RoyK> grendal_prime: IIRC ubuntu 14.04 has openstack in the grub menu
[15:50] <RoyK> installer grub menu
[15:51] <RoyK> http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud
[15:58] <grendal_prime> Installing Ubuntu OpenStack requires at least seven machines with two disks, two of which have two network interfaces (NICs). Install Ubuntu Server on one of the machines with two interfaces.
[15:58] <grendal_prime> hmm
[15:59] <grendal_prime> ya these guys are not going to go for..."you need 7 machines"
[15:59] <RoyK> I guess that's the easy way
[15:59] <RoyK> a machine can have more than one role
[15:59] <grendal_prime> not even the  power companys
[16:00] <grendal_prime> I dont know..seems like everytime i go down this road i run into something i cant do with openstack.
[16:03] <grendal_prime> may sound crazy. but like i need the host to run a vpn concentrator. Everything else i can run on a vm i guess, but, just seems like i loose some sort of eliment of control when i try it.  Any canned cloud service seems to be missing just..like one thing everytime.
[16:20] <devster31> hi, how can I install a desktop environment on a server without changing the default starting runlevel? I don't want it to start automatically, just when I call it
[16:20] <rbasak> Debian and Ubuntu don't use runlevels to distinguish between text and GUI modes.
[16:21] <rbasak> Just disable the correct service. lightdm probably.
[16:21] <rbasak> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#override-files is the method to disable a service with upstart.
[16:22] <devster31> ok, so I can also try installing manually all packages except lightdm?
[16:24] <rbasak> I think that's more trouble than it's worth.
[16:24] <devster31> fair enough, thanks
[16:24] <rbasak> You start needing to develop a deep understanding of all the package involved, rather than just installing the metapackage.
[16:24] <rbasak> You may need something that depends on it.
[16:25] <RoyK> devster31: apt-get install ubuntu-desktop should do if you want graphics
[16:27] <devster31> I'm trying to do something weirder, I want to use x2go on a remote server with ubuntu-mate, but the ubuntu-mate-desktop metapackage automatically installs lightdm and boots into the login screen instead of console, so I wanted a way to boot the server without the additional gui stuff but still being able to load it when I use x2go
[16:29] <Walex> devster31: thanks for letting us know :-)
[16:30] <Walex> devster31: the previous suggestions and terminology are not quite right.
[16:30] <Walex> devster31: Debian derived systems don't really have "runlevels", just single and multiuser mode.
[16:31] <Walex> devster31: by default in multiuser mode a "Display Manager" is started, and the display manager then starts an X server and an X client session.
[16:32] <Walex> devster31: to prevent the activation of the display manager in Debian-like system set '/etc/X11/default-display-manager' to "none".
[16:33] <Walex> devster31: if you want a display manager to manager display on other hosts, but without starting a local X session, you have to edit the display manager's configuration accordingly.
[16:36] <devster31> I'm experimenting on a local VM before setting up the server, when you say "if you want a display manager to manage... " does it include ssh x11 forwarding? do I need a display manager to use x2go?
[16:42] <Walex> devster31: no, it does not include X11 forwarding.
[16:43] <devster31> ok, so I'm safe setting it to none, I'm never going to use it locally, just over ssh or x2go
[16:44] <Walex> devster31: when you use SSH or X2Go forwarding the remote display is usually managed already by a display manager.
[16:44] <Walex> But note that if you run the X2go *server* on the host you connect to, that needs a display manager.
[16:50] <devster31> it doesn't seem to be in the dependency list, but then again it is in the dependencies of almost every desktop environment
[16:51] <bananamanjoe> Could someone help me again? I succesfully set up DNS on my ubuntu server, and am able to ping it with my w7 client IF i manually give it the dns address in network properties. How can send the dns information so it finds it on auto?
[16:53] <RoyK> bananamanjoe: official domain?
[17:05] <bananamanjoe> I don´t know what that is RoyK, its supposed to look like this http://puu.sh/f9hrR/4561171a32.png. but if i use auto find DNS it doesnt find it at all http://puu.sh/f9hrR/4561171a32.png
[17:05] <bananamanjoe> oops
[17:05] <bananamanjoe> http://puu.sh/f9hwf/3a433d4eeb.png*
[17:06] <patdk-wk> fix your dhcp server settings
[17:07] <bananamanjoe> what´s wrong with them?
[17:08] <patdk-wk> what you posted
[17:08] <patdk-wk> it's EMPTY
[18:07] <f00lhardy> I'm setting up crushftp sftp server under ubu serv 14.04. For a linux ftp server, where is the standard place to put folders for ftp users?
[18:08] <f00lhardy> #crushftp
[19:30] <devster31> Walex changing /etc/X11/default-display-manager to non seriously breaks everything
[19:31] <devster31> no login on boot via CLI or GUI
[19:31] <devster31> no x session
[19:46] <QcR> Hi
[19:47] <sergey> What should I install and configure to make my site PHP send emails?
[19:47] <QcR> sendmail
[19:48] <QcR> easiest software
[19:48] <sarnold> postfix or exim
[19:49] <sergey> I just never did it before. Can you give URL to good tutorial from your point of view?
[19:50] <sarnold> sergey: give these a shot: https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/email-services.html
[19:50] <jrwren> sergey: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/email-services.html
[19:50] <jrwren> sarnold: ^5 !
[19:50] <sarnold> jrwren: :) ^5
[19:51] <sergey> thanks
[21:06] <jrwren> wow. https://packagecloud.io/pricing
[21:07] <RoyK> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9924008/ <-- anyone that knows what 'depth' means about the NCQ? and the AA after it?
[21:10] <pmatulis> jrwren, sarnold: re squid & universe, actually squid3 is in main :$
[21:11] <sarnold> pmatulis: sorry, how did I miss that?
[21:11] <jrwren> pmatulis: same here. I missed it, and squid is just a virtual package for squid3
[21:14] <ppetraki> RoyK, depth = # outstanding commands, AA is some sort of flag surrounding FPDMA. Not really sure what the code means
[21:14] <ppetraki> RoyK, libata-core.c line 2128
[21:15] <RoyK> ppetraki: thanks
[21:15] <ppetraki> RoyK, ah, "FPDMA auto activate"
[21:17]  * RoyK wonders
[21:18] <RoyK> how does CFQ and NCQ compare or compete?
[21:18] <sarnold> isnt one sas and the other sata?
[21:19] <RoyK> CFQ is the one in Linux written for rotating rust
[21:19] <sarnold> durrrrrrr
[21:19] <RoyK> TCQ is the one for SAS/SCSI
[21:19] <sarnold> dont mind me :)
[21:19] <RoyK> :)
[21:19]  * RoyK throws a snowball in sarnold's direction
[21:19] <sarnold> ow
[21:19] <ppetraki> play nice kids
[21:19] <RoyK> hehe
[21:20] <RoyK> *kids* :D
[21:20]  * sarnold throws a snowball at ppetraki
[21:20]  * ppetraki is too old to duck soon enough
[22:46] <bananamanjoe> Can anyone tell me what i´ve been doing wrong? I´ve been stuck trying to setup a DNS server all day http://puu.sh/faasf/be353e9204.png
[23:03] <qman__> bananamanjoe: check /var/log/syslog for errors from BIND and pastebin them
[23:07] <bananamanjoe> qman__ I´m running it on vmware with host-only network and no gui. is there a quickway to get it to pastebin?
[23:07] <bekks> Install pastebinit and run "pastebinit /var/log/syslog" then
[23:10] <qman__> bananamanjoe: well, try this then
[23:12] <qman__> sudo service bind9 restart; tail -f /var/log/syslog
[23:12] <qman__> you're interested in the first error that bind throws (might be under 'named' as well)
[23:18] <bananamanjoe> oh that´s really helpfull, at first glance it seems to be syntax errors, let me fiddle a bit and come back^^
[23:21] <bananamanjoe> Yes! It´s working. Thanks for the help qman__.


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[21:54] <pleia2> depending on your client, they may look like they are new messages, but a couple are from 2021 so /o\