[11:46] <ChaosParser> iain: That's a lie.  I just to edit the xorg after and update because it decided that GDM should be at some absurd resolution.
[11:47] <ChaosParser> iain: *had to
[11:48] <m4gnu5> without xorg.conf it works with 1024x768 and without 3d
[11:48] <m4gnu5> nv works with 1280x768 o.O
[11:48] <m4gnu5> nvidia doesnt work
[11:48] <frej> anyone having problems with keyboard mappings (recent update)... ?
[11:49] <frej> my arrows are doing layout switching instead of.... being arrows (up,right.....)
[11:50] <recon69>  iain: you can try glxinfo
[11:50] <frej> ie, Right arrows has keycode 102 but it's mapped to MUHE (Muhenkan)
[11:50] <iain> okay... I think I'll have to add in something about the intel chip then in xorg.conf... still kinda annoying... I'd just like to know why dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg only lets me adjust my keyboard and nothing else...
[11:51] <recon69> iain: are you getting any gnome-setting errors when your system starts?
[11:53] <iain> recon69 I'm using kubuntu 8.04 with kde4 and I don't see any errors in any of the logs...
[11:54] <iain> here is what glxinfo is reporting:
[11:54] <iain> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62625/
[11:55] <Pelo> morning folks,  I upgraded to the beta last night , and I have a couple of questions
[11:55] <Pelo> 1- where are by bookmarks in firefox ?
[11:56] <Pelo> 2- what hapened to cups , I can't open the manager ?
[11:57] <pleaseandthankyo> what are police there for really(i am sure more than half is not enforcing governmental laws)? how to get on the side of the police when encountered? should i pay money to the police/tip whenever they shows up or in advance?
[11:59] <jimiridge> wtf
[11:59] <dns53> hmm do you want a real answer or are you just bored
[12:00] <jimiridge> my fav cop movie is "hot fuzz"
[12:00] <dns53> got the hd version cheap
[12:00] <Pelo> pleaseandthankyo, policemen like to know you are on their side , you can show them you are on their side by showing them that you "also" have a gun just like them , when you see a policeman just put out your gun very quickly to show it to him
[12:01] <jimiridge> yeah you should always keep a gun within sight
[12:01]  * Pelo realy wants to know wht happened to his bookmarks in firefox, are they gone forever or are they still safe somewhere
[12:01] <muszek_> sshd on my VPS (running hardy - dist-upgraded from some really small "gutsy minimal" image) is not starting by default... how do I make it so that it initializes on the boot up?
[12:02] <recon69> iain: that glx dont look right, but not an expert. had a similar problem with my nvidia 6800. the driver was not loading correctly because xserver.xgl was installed. this caused the screen-resolution to not be reported, which caused gnome-setting-daemon to crash, which the caused the keyboard to be setup incorrectly. so not sure but you might want to try removing xserver.xgl  and run glxinfo and see if it changes.
[12:02] <dns53> Pelo well bookmarks are in the .mozilla directory, you could have somehow created another profile
[12:03] <Pelo> dns53,  ~/.mozilla ?
[12:04] <dns53> Pelo yes, if you have 2 folders in ~./mozilla/firefox you have 2 profiles
[12:04] <Pelo> dns53,  I havwe like 5 . beats me where they come from
[12:05] <dns53> Pelo try running firefox-3.0 -ProfileManager
[12:06] <Pelo> dns53, which I find where ?
[12:06] <dns53> in a terminal, this would cause a window to come up where you select your profile
[12:07] <Pelo> only has the one "default" profile in it
[12:09] <dns53> well the bookmarks are in the profile directory as the file bookmarks.html
[12:10] <Pelo> dns53, i,m deleting the other *** default folders and leaving the one with the most stuff in it,  I'll see what happens
[12:10] <pleaseandthankyo> Pelo are policeman trained like soldiers?
[12:10] <recon69> iain: and i notice that you server glx is 1.4 while you client xgl is 1.2 from glxinfo , not sure what that means though :)
[12:10] <Pelo> pleaseandthankyo,  no policemen are trained to help ppl with words and love
[12:11] <dns53> well you could edit the profiles.ini, or rename the other profiles to the active name and start it
[12:13] <Pelo> dns53, I checked in profile.ini,  the profile listed is the correct one , the boot marks just aren't getting loaded,  any bookmarks, I'm starting to wonder if the problem isn'T eslewhere ,
[12:14] <dns53> you using any bookmark extensions?
[12:15] <dns53> try launcing firefox in safe mode, firefox -safe-mode
[12:15] <Pelo> dns53, not that I am aware of ,  i've just tried  manageing bookmarks and restoring backup and nothing , even tried importing them from the .html file and nada
[12:16] <dns53> well load the html file in the browser and recreate it again
[12:17] <Pelo> dns53, that's my last options,  I have about 100 links in there
[12:18] <Pelo> at leasst now I know they are safe
[12:20] <cwillu> Pelo, what's going on?
[12:21] <Pelo> cwillu, just upgraded to hardy beta,  no bookmarks in FF , file is still there but no bookmarks in the browser
[12:21] <Pelo> cwillu, cna't import them back, can't restore the backups , nada
[12:21] <cwillu> were you using 3.0 before?
[12:21] <dns53> are you switching between firefox 2 and 3 a lot?
[12:22] <Pelo> cwillu, no 2.0 I think I just upgraded from gutsy default
[12:22] <cwillu> the 3.0 beta in gutsy did weird things with the profile that isn't quite handled right in hardy in my experience
[12:22] <cwillu> Pelo, does it let you make new bookmarks?
[12:23] <Pelo> trying now
[12:23] <cwillu> (note that they won't necessarily show up in the bookmarks tab, just hit the star thingy and tell me if it's still lit on that site after a ff restart
[12:23] <Pelo> cwillu,  no it is not letting me bookmark
[12:23] <Pelo> cwillu, star thingy ?
[12:24] <cwillu> in the url bar
[12:25] <Pelo> you mean the timer thing ?
[12:25] <cwillu> the star, on the right side of the url bar
[12:25] <cwillu> to the left of the drop-down arrow
[12:26] <Pelo> cwillu, yeah the timer spinner ,  nothing happens, can't bookmark
[12:26] <Pelo> my history is still there tho
[12:26] <cwillu> it's not the timer spinner, it's a 5 pointed star
[12:27] <cwillu> make sure you have a page open, not going to another url or anything
[12:27] <cwillu> if you don't see a star on the right side of the url bar, then I don't think you're running 3.0, which is really really odd if you're running hardy
[12:27]  * Pelo looks closer ,  cwillu  is correct , it's a pentacle,
[12:28] <cwillu> lol
[12:28] <cwillu> if you click on that, does it light up?
[12:28] <Pelo> I see the star,  nothing I happens when I click on it
[12:28] <Pelo> I do get a finger mouse arrow but that is it
[12:28] <cwillu> it doesn't turn yellow?
[12:28] <Pelo> cwillu, no change at all
[12:28] <dns53> can you write a file to the profile directory? are you out of disk space?
[12:29] <cwillu> Pelo, close firefox, check your free disk space, and then run firefox -P, make a new profile, and see if it still acts weird
[12:29] <Pelo> cwillu,  the lastpage I had up also had RSS in it , that little icon in the url bar bring up the regular rss page for that page
[12:30] <Pelo> I have mor ethen enough diskspace
[12:30] <cwillu> okay, then just do the close and launch via firefox -P
[12:30] <Pelo> ok well at least now I am getting bookmark
[12:31] <Pelo> s
[12:31] <cwillu> borked profile dir
[12:31] <cwillu> maybe do a recursive chown and chmod on the .firefox/.mozilla dirs, but otherwise, I'd just reimport everything into the new profile
[12:34] <Pelo> created a new profile,  remported bookmarks,  works fine now, Just a bit of reordering todo , thanks
[12:35]  * Pelo wonders if this is how ppl feels when he helps them in the #ubuntu channel,  no wonder they are so greatefull
[12:35] <cwillu> :)
[12:35]  * cwillu is still waiting to understand :p
[12:35] <cwillu> I always get the most interesting problems though
[12:36] <cwillu> I'm pretty ecstatic about hardy though, other than this config_fair_user_sched debacle in the kernel
[12:36] <Pelo> cwillu, the only way I can get help is to run unstable software  I think we are in the same boat
[12:36] <Pelo> cwillu, config far user shed ?
[12:37]  * Pelo just needs to fix cups now
[12:37] <cwillu> default process scheduler changed in 2.6.23.  They added process group functionality to it in 2.6.24, and to make sure it got tested, they made sched_fair_user_sched the default
[12:38] <Pelo> ah , I see , over my head stuff
[12:38] <cwillu> it's not the recommended setting though, it's just a half-baked approach that uses the cgroup functionality more than the default cgroup setting (and does it unconfigurably)
[12:38] <cwillu> Pelo, okay
[12:38] <cwillu> simple example :)
[12:38] <cwillu> say you have a task running root
[12:38] <cwillu> it's niced +19
[12:38] <cwillu> say you have another task (say, a video game), running under your account, niced -5
[12:39] <cwillu> if both tasks are trying to peg the cpu, what percentage should each of them get (approximately)
[12:39] <Pelo> cwillu, no problem , you just need to know I'M one of those "shouldn't realy be using linux ppl cause he just doesn't realy get it , realy , deep down"
[12:39] <cwillu> :)
[12:39] <dns53> well they are tweaking with scheduling,with microsoft they are not allowed to touch it at all or something will break, in linux we have flamewars because one may work better than another one
[12:39] <AmiGanguli> Have to run I'm afraid.  Will keep Googling for sound-problem fixes.  Cheers!
[12:39] <Pelo> cwillu, well I can'T tell the % but I knwo that the game should have priority
[12:40] <cwillu> Pelo, exactly
[12:40] <cwillu> Pelo, however, with fair_user_sched, they'll each get exactly 50%
[12:40] <Pelo> ouch
[12:40] <cwillu> nice levels will only affect processes running under the same user
[12:40] <cwillu> and it breaks stuff all over the place (in the 'why is my desktop so laggy' sense)
[12:40] <Pelo> that's not how it is suppose to work as I unsderstand it ,  this bugs me because I have manualy teaked the nice value of some progs
[12:41] <cwillu> sound in at bug 188226
[12:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188226 in linux "Kernel should use CONFIG_FAIR_CGROUP_SCHED" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188226
[12:41] <cwillu> they've set it to the right setting for _every_ kernel flavour except -generic, and even then only on x86
[12:42] <cwillu> they're afraid of regressions, that we're really trying to get them to _revert_ the behaviour to gutsy's behaviour
[12:42] <Pelo> cwillu, lovely , my kernel of choice
[12:43] <jimiridge> i think im currently on a generic kernel
[12:43] <cwillu> one of the mainline linux devs (i.e., not ubuntu or debian) even said as much on the bug report
[12:43] <jimiridge> really want 686
[12:43] <cwillu> jimiridge, almost certainly you are
[12:43] <cwillu> generic is what you want, really
[12:43] <cwillu> you don't want 686 :p
[12:43] <cwillu> really truly
[12:43]  * Pelo knows he's on the generic kernel cause he had to edit grub menu.lst manualy
[12:43] <limpc> hey. whats happened with the ubuntu 8 release?
[12:43] <cwillu> stuff?  what do you mean?
[12:43] <Jaymac> limpc: it's due out on 24/04 :)
[12:44] <Jaymac> just over 2 weeks
[12:44] <limpc> i see.  it used to be the 4th?
[12:44] <cwillu> never as far as I know
[12:44] <Jaymac> limpc: It has always been the 24th
[12:44] <Pelo> limpc,  I've never heard the 4th
[12:44] <jimiridge> ubuntu.com's index page has a countdown
[12:44] <cwillu> 8.04 != the fourth :p
[12:45] <limpc> 8 isnt april anyway
[12:45] <limpc> :)
[12:45] <Pelo> fourth month
[12:45] <jimiridge> should wait till oct to releaaase it ;)
[12:45] <cwillu> heh
[12:45] <orvokki> Might make sense to talk of 8.04 since if I calculated correctly, Ubuntu+2 is 8.10.
[12:45] <Dr_willis> Ubuntu^2
[12:45] <limpc> i thought their page said the 4th. ah well
[12:45] <orvokki> Which page?
[12:46] <Pelo> just in case no one has seen this yet   http://www.petitiononline.com/RRH53888/petition.html   to stop Uwe Boll
[12:46] <Jaymac> the naming convention of ubuntu is Y.MM
[12:46] <orvokki> Pages are prone to errors. :)
[12:46] <jimiridge> god i  wish there was an easyy way to make debs
[12:46] <jimiridge> the ubuntu general package howto is like a mile long
[12:46] <limpc> orvokki, no idea, lol. i went looking for it but dont see it.  guess im smoking something.
[12:47] <cwillu> jimiridge, checkinstall will kinda work
[12:47] <Jaymac> www.ubuntu.com has a countdown in the top right, if that is what you are looking for
[12:47] <jimiridge> nah checkinstall sux
[12:47] <orvokki> cwillu: You'd probably still have to work out the dependencies yourself though.
[12:47] <flipstar> where do i find the kernel patches for ubuntu? (that are made to the ubuntu-kernel)
[12:47] <cwillu> jimiridge, but there's a reason why debs are complicated, because making things install and uninstall properly is complicated :)
[12:47] <orvokki> Checkinstall is a nice basis.
[12:48] <cwillu> flipstar, linux-source should be up to date
[12:48] <flipstar> it is..but no ubuntu patches there..
[12:48] <cwillu> flipstar, uH?
[12:48] <orvokki> Does Ubuntu even patch its kernels?
[12:48] <cwillu> ya, there is
[12:49] <flipstar> i want to try 2.6.25..but need the ubuntu patches for that
[12:49] <orvokki> !info linux-source
[12:49] <ubotu> linux-source (source: linux-meta): Linux kernel source with Ubuntu patches. In component main, is optional. Version <IP_ADDRESS>.17 (hardy), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB
[12:49] <orvokki> flipstar: There might be none available.
[12:51] <cwillu> Pelo, oh ya, and root is a bit special by default too, it actually would get 2/3's of the cpu :p
[12:51] <recon69> should I be worried that a lot of my packages cant be verified , the kernal was one example?
[12:51] <orvokki> Isn't 2.6.24 the one that will get to Hardy anyway?
[12:51] <Pelo> cwillu, lovely,
[12:51] <orvokki> So I consider it possible there *are* no Ubuntu patches for 2.6.25.
[12:52] <cwillu> orvokki, there might be something in the ubuntu git repo
[12:52] <esox> Hi, will an update from gutsy to hardy make changes to udev rules ?
[12:52] <flipstar> hm there are not general?
[12:52] <dns53> recon69 well you could just use the ubuntu source instead of a mirror, i would not worry myself
[12:53] <cwillu> recon69, can't be verified usually means they've been replaced
[12:53] <cwillu> recon69, does it still do it after you recheck for updates?
[12:53] <m4gnu5> o.O
[12:53] <m4gnu5> am too stuid for nvidia :D
[12:53] <cwillu> esox, myself, I'd be surprised if they didn't
[12:54] <recon69> m4gnu5: did you get the driver working?
[12:54] <m4gnu5> no...
[12:55] <m4gnu5> may i install another driver ?
[12:55] <esox> cwillu: that's what's I'm afraid of... I tried an install and after I couldn't plug and run my usb midibox
[12:56] <dns53> m4gnu5 well there are 3 versions of the driver, nvidia-glx nvidia-glx-legacy, nvidia-glx-new
[12:56] <Pelo> later folks thanks for the help ( specialy cwillu )
[12:56] <cwillu> if you had a rule that worked before, you should be able to add it easily enough
[12:56] <cwillu> Pelo, later
[12:56] <esox> cwillu: but I did exactly the same workaround that what I did to run it on gutsy. No success
[12:56] <m4gnu5> i guess - it won't be legacy with 6150 ...
[12:56] <esox> cwillu: well, I added and corrected it, but didn't work...
[12:56] <m4gnu5> glx says it is for geforce4 and glx-new for "newer" cards o.O
[12:58] <esox> cwillu: also, I use the option "SWCursor" "yes" on xorg to solve a pointer corruption issue. If I do that on closed driver on hardy, X doesnt start...
[12:58] <cwillu> esox, got an xorg log for that?
[12:58] <cwillu> esox, bug reports are useful :)
[12:58] <dns53> run nvidia-xconfig to regenerate your xorg.conf
[12:59] <m4gnu5> magnus@aldi:~$ cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old |grep EE
[12:59] <m4gnu5> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[12:59] <m4gnu5> it seems i have the wrong driver?
[13:00] <marijus> hello, since yesterdays gdm update my log in screen has a much to big resolution... anyone knows where i can adjust this???
[13:00] <esox> cwillu: well, I removed hardy to go back to gutsy... But I noticed that xorg.conf had a totally different syntax
[13:01] <dns53> m4gnu5 have you rebooted after upgrading the kernel?
[13:01] <m4gnu5> yep - three times... every time i tried another driver ...
[13:02] <m4gnu5> on 7.10 x worked out of the box :-/
[13:02] <dns53> delete your xorg.conf, run nvidia-xconfig and try it again
[13:02] <m4gnu5> that doesnt work
[13:03] <cwillu> esox, well
[13:03] <cwillu> esox, I guess, good luck if you update in two weeks?  Can't really do much if you're not running it :)
[13:04] <m4gnu5> hm - nvidia-xconfig creates a XF86Config .. ??
[13:04] <dns53> m4gnu5 yes
[13:04] <m4gnu5> should i rename this one to xorg.conf ??
[13:04] <esox> cwillu: but I did that install from hardy-studio CD. Maybe if I update my gutsy config it will keep all working...
[13:07] <esox> If I update to hardy, will it keep all may wacom stuf in xorg ?
[13:07] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[13:08] <pleaseandthankyo> why is it hard to admit that i'm being bullied?
[13:08] <MilhousePunkRock> I updated my Kubuntu desktop to Hardy lately, so far so good. I do have a few problems though, at least one of them should be solveable.
[13:09] <MilhousePunkRock> I updated my Kubuntu desktop to Hardy lately, so far so good. I do have a few problems though, at least one of them should be solveable.?
[13:09] <cwillu> !repeat
[13:09] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[13:10] <cwillu> and !ask
[13:10] <cwillu> !ask
[13:10] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[13:10] <MilhousePunkRock> cwillu: Ouch, looks like I hit the arrow up instead of enter, sorry...
[13:10] <m4gnu5> the config of nvidia-xconfig doesnt work
[13:11] <MilhousePunkRock> 1. How do I make Konqueror the default manager instead of Dolphin (possibly without uninstalling Dolphin)?
[13:11] <recon69> m4gnu5: why dont youpost you current xorg.conf to the paste bin, might give some clues
[13:11] <MilhousePunkRock> cwillu: That's my new keyboard's fault, the arrow keys are directly under the enter key ;)
[13:12] <m4gnu5> kk
[13:13] <jaffarkelshac> how do i find out which modules my wireless card is using
[13:13] <m4gnu5> http://pastebin.com/m348d22b5
[13:17] <recon69> m4gnu5: try back up you xorg.conf and run dexconf , then restart you gdm . might help
[13:20] <m4gnu5> k i try
[13:22] <m4gnu5> that doesnt work... i guess its something with the driver ... ???
[13:23] <recon69>  m4gnu5: well, you should really have a driver listed in system->admin->hardware drivers
[13:24] <m4gnu5> there is none
[13:26] <recon69> m4gnu5: well i feel your pain, took me a couple of days before i found what was causing my nvidia glx problem.
[13:26] <m4gnu5> :-/
[13:28] <m4gnu5> it worked great with 7.10
[13:28] <m4gnu5> i did an upgrade to 8.4 yesterday and X is broken :-/
[13:29] <x0x> hey
[13:29] <x0x> can anyone help me with cpanel?
[13:29] <recon69> !ask
[13:29] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[13:30] <x0x> i installed cpanel using apt-get install cpanel
[13:31] <x0x> now what to do?
[13:31] <Dr_willis> read its docs? run the program?
[13:31] <Dr_willis> !info cpanel
[13:31] <ubotu> Package cpanel does not exist in hardy
[13:31] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. is the bot confused again?
[13:32] <x0x> where do i get the doc or how to run it?
[13:33] <Dr_willis> most programs put docs in /usr/share/docs/PROGRMNAME
[13:33] <Dr_willis> try 'cpanel' at a shell? I dont even know 2what cpanel is
[13:33] <ikonia> fingers crossed cpannel doesn't exist in hardy
[13:33] <jtravnick> x0x you where given the link in ubuntu
[13:33] <ikonia> cpannel is a poor webinterface
[13:33] <ikonia> for people who need web gui's to manage servers
[13:33] <ikonia> nice big security holes
[13:34] <Dr_willis> !webmin
[13:34] <ubotu> webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system. See !ebox instead.
[13:34] <x0x> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:2020 < webmin
[13:35] <x0x> is on ubuntu :D
[13:35] <Dr_willis> You may want to tyr out ebox.
[13:35] <muszek_> I haven't messed with email server for two years and now I need to install postfix... has it gotten any easier since then thanks to some tools? (last time I ate most of my hair)
[13:35] <Dr_willis> webmin is easially installed on about any disrto from source.
[13:35] <x0x> Dr_willis how to install it?
[13:35] <x0x> lol yeah
[13:35] <Dr_willis> x0x,  ebox? well like the factoid said see '!ebox'  I imagine its apt-get install ebox
[13:35] <muszek_> x0x: sudo apt-get install webmin
[13:35] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:35] <Dr_willis> webmin is NOT in the repos
[13:36] <Jaymac> I just got a usb stick.. when I plug it in, it mounts directly to /media/disk - is there any easy way of changing the name of the directory it mount to?
[13:36] <muszek_> oh...
[13:36] <x0x> i do have webmin
[13:36] <m4gnu5> i guess i need "linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24" right? but i have it 3 time o.O
[13:36] <Dr_willis> Jaymac,  give it a proper 'name/label' under windows - might do it.. or under gnome, right click on it, check its properties. theres some tabs you can set some info/settings for that I recall.
[13:36] <MilhousePunkRock> Jaymac: I think, if you bring up the properties from the context menu, you can change the mountpoint
[13:37] <Dr_willis> x0x,  if using webmin you really SHOULD not allow access to it from the internet.  Set it to allow Localhost only connections.
[13:37] <x0x> Dr_willis lol that is my dedicated server :D
[13:37] <x0x> take a look
[13:37] <x0x> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:2020/
[13:37] <x0x> is webmin
[13:38] <ikonia> x0x: nice security holes
[13:38] <Dr_willis> x0x,  i  know what webmin is and how it looks.
[13:38] <Dr_willis> Im saying its a VERY VERY VERY bad idea to have it open to the internet like that.
[13:38] <ikonia> concur
[13:39] <x0x> how do i access if i am from remote?
[13:39] <muszek_> nah, just set root's password to something tricky, like "password" and you'll be fine ;)
[13:39] <dns53> how did you guess my password?
[13:39] <x0x> lol
[13:39] <Jaymac> Dr_willis: got it, thanks... it's got an annoying label too... looks like another boot into windows is needed :(
[13:41] <recon69> m4gnu5: well if not installed install the one with the ubuntu symbol beside it
[13:41] <Dr_willis> x0x,  i would ssh in then access it.
[13:44] <Dr_willis> Jaymac,  i noticed the gnome-properties way the other day. but it can cause some other issues. its best to set a nice name for it.
[13:46] <x0x> what is cacti?
[13:46] <_ruben> www.cacti.net
[13:47] <Pici> x0x: snmp polling system that plots on rrd graphs.
[13:48] <x0x> ok
[13:48] <x0x> i am installed it now what will be my user name?
[13:48] <x0x> and password :s
[13:48] <Dr_willis> I think we are back to reading the programs docs and information.
[13:48] <Dr_willis> :)
[13:49] <x0x> lol
[13:50] <sivel27> good morning all
[13:54] <x0x> dbc_authmethod_admin=""
[13:54] <x0x> dbc_authmethod_user=""
[13:54] <x0x> may i put it login info here?
[13:54] <m4gnu5> if i boot a 386-kernel i can choose the restricted nvidia-driver o.O but there works only 1 cpu-core
[13:54] <m4gnu5> but the restricted modules for x86/x86_64 are installed too
[13:55] <Dr_willis> you dont want the 386 kernel.
[13:55] <Dr_willis> you most likely want the -generic kernel
[13:56] <x0x> Dr_willis help me with login
[13:56] <x0x> ;s i cant find login name and password
[13:56] <Dr_willis> x0x,  you want me to help you with a program you just installed.. that i have NEVER used.. and you have not read its docs yet?
[13:56] <Dr_willis> I dont think thats going to happen. I aint reading the docs for you.
[13:57] <x0x> ok tell me how to read the doc?
[13:57] <x0x> where is the doc located at
[13:57] <Dr_willis> as i said eearlier - MOST programs from the repos put docs in /usr/share/PROGRAMNAME, or look at the programs homepage.
[13:57] <x0x> ok
[13:58] <Dr_willis> if all else fails update the locate databasem and use 'locate pattern' to find what the program putwhere. and what docs it may have.
[13:58] <Pici> x0x: http://docs.cacti.net/ too
[14:02] <thompa> anyone know if 2.6.24-15-generic is going to be last kernel update/
[14:02] <x0x> tnx Pici
[14:03] <thompa> asking because of some drivers that are incorporated in 2.6.25, which i dont want
[14:03] <x0x> ergh
[14:03] <x0x> now i cant see graphs images :S
[14:05] <m4gnu5> under system -> hardware-driver is no nvidia listed... o.O
[14:05] <m4gnu5> but i have installed the restricted modules...
[14:06] <Jaymac> one more usb question... I have the stick mounted at /media/usb_stick... no problem there - i'm unable to sync it with unison due to permissions errors...
[14:06] <mheath> thompa: IIRC, the kernel freezing policy makes it so they won't upgrade to .25
[14:06] <setuid> No major breakage today?
[14:06] <mheath> thompa: There may be more updates to .24 (Ie, a .24-16, -17), etc, but upgrading to new kernel versions requires a big reason now.
[14:07] <setuid> This damn keyboard issue is driving me *MAD*!! I have to switch the keyboard from 105 to 104 and back at least 200 times a day.
[14:07] <setuid> Just had to do it again... arg!!
[14:07] <m4gnu5> may it works with a brand new install ??
[14:08] <thompa> mheath: i thought so good. cause i have some acer acpi stuff i had to build which is backported and in .25, so i dont want to start over
[14:09] <thompa> anyway atheros ar5006 and 5007eg work if you disable all the restricted hardware stuff and install madwifi plus the patch
[14:18] <tomahasamoot> The version of kVIrc that's packaged for 8.04 is old and buggy... the guyies at #kvirc are saying use 3.4
[14:19] <Pici> !info kvirc
[14:19] <ubotu> kvirc (source: kvirc): KDE based next generation IRC client with module support. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:3.2.4-5.1ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 3038 kB, installed size 9136 kB
[14:20] <clarezoe> can anyone tell what does this mean? I use iwconfig and then comes this "lo        no wireless extensions.
[14:20] <clarezoe> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[14:20] <clarezoe> "
[14:23] <recon69> clarezoe : well eth0 would likely be a wired ethernet connection , you should have a wlan0 as you wireless card. try ifconfig to see what interfaces you have
[14:24] <clarezoe> recon69, there's a eth0:avahi Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:17:08:2d:71:04
[14:24] <clarezoe>           inet addr:<IP_ADDRESS>  Bcast:<IP_ADDRESS>  Mask:<IP_ADDRESS>, but I'm using wireless now
[14:25] <Terrasque> clarezoe: thats just a virtual interface attached to your normal ethernet card.
[14:26] <clarezoe> Terrasque, OK, I have virtual box, but I don't have it running, I didn't see it before
[14:27] <clarezoe> and I can't see the wireless signals by the nm-applet as before, I don't what was wrong
[14:28] <Terrasque> its not your virtual box, its just a virtual interface for the avahi system
[14:31] <clarezoe> Terrasque, thanks but what is the avahi system?
[14:32] <dns53> avahi provides zeroconf for linux, it allows things like itunes music sharing (daap) to be discovered
[14:33] <Terrasque> clarezoe: a system for automated network communication. Also known as zeroconf or Rendezvous
[14:35] <clarezoe> dns53, Terrasque, I don't have to do anything with it, I don't know why I have it and how to use it. Just leave it right?
[14:35] <clarezoe> my problem is now I can't see the wireless signals with the nm-applet as before
[14:36] <Terrasque> clarezoe: iwconfig shows nothing?
[14:37] <dns53> well you can use zeroconf to get an ip address without using dhcp, you can also discover things like ssh, ftp and vnc
[14:37] <clarezoe> Terrasque, it shows " lo        no wireless extensions.
[14:37] <clarezoe> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[14:37] <clarezoe> eth1      IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:"NOMAD"
[14:37] <Terrasque> eth1 is your wireless interface then
[14:38] <clarezoe> dns53, thanks, I'll try to know more about it later :)
[14:38] <andre>  someone can help me my screen is set to 800x600 in ubuntu 8.04, i used 1024x768, but xrandr tell me that i just can use 800x600
[14:39] <Terrasque> clarezoe: does it show any more data? my iwconfig shows things like signal level, noise level and link quality
[14:39] <clarezoe> Terrasque,  IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:"NOMAD"
[14:39] <clarezoe>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.412 GHz  Access Point: 00:15:F9:6C:40:D0
[14:39] <clarezoe>           Bit Rate:24 Mb/s   Tx-Power=20 dBm   Sensitivity=8/0
[14:39] <clarezoe>           Retry limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[14:39] <clarezoe>           Power Management:off
[14:39] <clarezoe>           Link Quality=64/100  Signal level=-55 dBm  Noise level=-88 dBm
[14:39] <clarezoe>           Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
[14:39] <clarezoe>           Tx excessive retries:2  Invalid misc:3845   Missed beacon:10
[14:39] <jussio1> !paste | clarezoe
[14:39] <Pici> !paste | clarezoe
[14:39] <ubotu> clarezoe: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[14:40] <andre>  someone can help me my screen is set to 800x600 in ubuntu 8.04, i used 1024x768, but xrandr tell me that i just can use 800x600
[14:40] <Terrasque> clarezoe: uhm yes.. pastebin things like that. Anyway, the card reads off signal strength fine, so I would hazard a guess that the problem lies in nm-applet-
[14:41] <Lynoure> andre: Do you have other resolution defined in you xorg.conf?
[14:41] <andre> lynoure my xorg.conf does not have any line about resolutions :S
[14:42] <andre> let me show u
[14:42] <clarezoe> Terrasque, I've tried to use wicd on Sunday it removed my network manager, but it didn't work, so I removed wicd and reinstalled network manager again, then I got problems
[14:43] <Terrasque> clarezoe: tried uninstalling (with purge) and reinstalling network-manager?
[14:43] <andre> lynoure i have input device, device, monitor, screen, endsection, the identifier for all is default
[14:43] <Lynoure> andre: you could try reconfiguring xserver...
[14:44] <andre> how ?
[14:44] <clarezoe> Terrasque, will it cut off my network then, libnl1  network-manager-gnome will be removed too
[14:45] <Lynoure> andre: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -f xserver-xorg
[14:46] <LjL> my KSysGuard doesn't seem to list the sensors for CPU temperatures and fan speeds anymore after upgrading to Hardy, although "sensors" in a console still shows them as usual. what gives?
[14:46] <andre> Lynoure, ok thanks, ill try it now, but before, do u know if i got this problem coz of xrandr ?
[14:47] <sivel27> i have absolutely no sound on my laptop, much less my usb headseat, and its driveing me nuts
[14:48] <mluser-work> Anyone know if there are still problems with the 'Human List' gdm theme?
[14:48] <Terrasque> clarezoe: you can configure the wireless interface via command line too. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo - WPA Supplicant part there
[14:48] <Pelo> morning ,  anyone experiencing issues with wine and the notification area ?
[14:49]  * Pelo will never ever ever do beta again
[14:49] <andre> Lynoure, debconf: falha ao inicializar frontend: Xserv-xorg
[14:49] <andre> debconf: (Can't locate Debconf/FrontEnd/Xserv.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 19) line 2.)
[14:49] <andre> debconf: tentando com frontend: Noninteractive
[14:49] <andre> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: especifique um pacote para reconfigurar
[14:49] <Lynoure> andre: I don't know much about xrandr
[14:50] <andre> Lynoure, this last line means "Type a package to reconfigure"
[14:50] <Pici> xserver-xorg, not Xserv-xorg
[14:50] <andre> debconf: tentando com frontend: Noninteractive
[14:50] <sivel27> i have absolutely no sound on my laptop, much less my usb headseat, and its driveing me nuts, any suggestions?
[14:51] <rsk> i wan't to remove evolution but then it also want's to remove gnome-panel and i quite like that app...
[14:51] <rsk> how to go around it?
[14:51] <clarezoe> Terrasque, thanks
[14:51] <andre> Pici, for both i got the same message
[14:51] <sivel27> what do you use for an email client?
[14:52] <rsk> gmail :-)
[14:52] <sivel27> web based?
[14:52] <rsk> yes
[14:52] <andre> :~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure -f xserver-xorg
[14:52] <andre> debconf: falha ao inicializar frontend: Xserver-xorg
[14:52] <andre> debconf: (Can't locate Debc
[14:53] <Lynoure> andre: oh, sorry, --force  instead of -f
[14:53] <andre> ok ;) let me try
[14:53] <andre> use framebuffer ?
[14:53] <andre> from kernel ?
[14:54] <Lynoure> When unsure, default should be pretty safe
[14:54] <sivel27> any fixes for sound on a laptop, intel ich6 snd chipset?
[14:55] <rsk> sivel27: what kind of fix?
[14:55] <sivel27> to make the sound work
[14:55] <rsk> and it dosen't are you using the latest update for kernel?
[14:56] <sivel27> are you talking to me rsk?
[14:56] <rsk> yes
[14:56] <sivel27> i guess not
[14:56] <rsk> what?
[14:56] <sivel27> what was your question?
[14:56] <rsk> how can my answear 'yes' be intrepited else
[14:56] <rsk> my question was
[14:57] <rsk> and it dosen't? you using the latest update for kernel?
[14:57] <nonix4> Hmm, any chances to get E8xxx cpus supported w/ coretemp? (haven't updated to generic kernel .28 yet, on .26 atm; didn't notice that in changelog)
[14:57] <sivel27> yes i am, its running alsaa
[14:57]  * nonix4 ponders whether that'd need anything else besides allowing the cpuid...
[14:57] <rsk> ok afaik there's some fixes on the wiki
[14:57] <rsk> try that for starters
[14:57] <LjL> would the contents of /var/lib/dpkg/status from the live cd's casper/filesystem.squashfs be an accurate representation of what's installed by default?
[14:58] <Pelo> wine ? tray icon ? anyone ?
[14:58] <andre> Lynoure, same thing till now :( i restarted my X and just see 800x600
[14:59] <andre> in the xorg.conf i have Section "Screen"
[14:59] <andre>         Identifier      "Default Screen"
[14:59] <andre>         Monitor         "Configured Monitor"
[14:59] <andre>         Device          "Configured Video Device"
[14:59] <andre> EndSection
[15:00] <Lynoure> andre: you could pastebin your whole xorg.conf
[15:00] <andre> ok
[15:00] <recon69> andre: you probably running the default drivers and they only do 800/600 screen.
[15:01] <Lynoure> recon69: Which drivers do that badly nowadays?
[15:02] <andre> recon69, it happend after i get up to date it looks like xrandr was installed here
[15:03] <andre> # If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
[15:03] <andre> # again, run the following command:
[15:03] <andre> #   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[15:03] <andre> Section "InputDevice"
[15:03] <andre> 	Identifier	"Generic Keyboard"
[15:03] <andre> 	Driver		"kbd"
[15:03] <andre> 	Option		"XkbRules"	"xorg"
[15:03] <andre> 	Option		"XkbModel"	"pc105"
[15:03] <andre> 	Option		"XkbLayout"	"us"
[15:03] <andre> 	Option		"XkbVariant"	"teclado"
[15:03] <andre> EndSection
[15:03] <andre> Section "InputDevice"
[15:03] <andre> 	Identifier	"Configured Mouse"
[15:03] <andre> 	Driver		"vmmouse"
[15:03] <andre> EndSection
[15:03] <andre> Section "Device"
[15:03] <recon69> andre: use the paste bin
[15:03] <andre> 	Identifier	"Configured Video Device"
[15:03] <andre> 	Option		"UseFBDev"		"true"
[15:03] <andre> EndSection
[15:03] <andre> Section "Monitor"
[15:03] <andre> 	Identifier	"Configured Monitor"
[15:03] <andre> EndSection
[15:03] <andre> Section "Screen"
[15:03] <andre> 	Identifier	"Default Screen"
[15:03] <andre> 	Monitor		"Configured Monitor"
[15:03] <andre> 	Device		"Configured Video Device"
[15:03] <andre> EndSection
[15:03] <andre> Section "ServerLayout"
[15:03] <andre> 	Identifier	"Default Layout"
[15:03] <andre> 	Screen		"Default Screen"
[15:03] <andre> EndSection
[15:04] <andre> recon69, i am sorry i am new here i dont know what means "paste bin"
[15:04] <recon69> !pastebin
[15:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[15:05] <andre> nice
[15:06] <andre> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62641/
[15:09] <catweazle> andre: with fbdev is not so good, what gfx chipset is it?
[15:10] <sivel27> well, i didnt find anything useful as far as a fix is concerned
[15:11] <andre> uhm just a minute
[15:11] <catweazle> is it a VM?
[15:11] <andre> yes
[15:11] <andre> it is
[15:11] <andre> i think i was using VESA i dont know
[15:12] <gluer> i have one of those logitech bluetooth keyboards, when i first boot ubuntu, i have to wait at login prompt for around 30 sec until the KB starts working, anyway to fix this?
[15:12] <adred> hi, i am currently using gutsy. how do i upgrade to hardy?
[15:12] <dns53> adred check the links in the channel topic
[15:12] <zniavre> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSUpgradesHowto
[15:13] <BadRobot> does anyone knows if Eee Pc 701 supports Ubuntu Hardy_
[15:13] <BadRobot> ?
[15:13] <DooMRunneR> hi
[15:14] <dns53> BadRobot using it currently on my eee, the wireless does not work so use a different kernel
[15:14] <andre> catweazle, my motherb is a8vvm-ultra asus
[15:14] <DooMRunneR> someone in here who had installed hardy under vmware6?
[15:14] <DooMRunneR> i cant compile the kernel modules for the vmware-tools
[15:14] <andre> catweazle, i think my chipset is not suportted i am not sure, but in 7.10 was fine
[15:14] <recon69> adred: well hardy is beta , might not be the best thing for you to upgrade to just yet. it released in about 2 week anyway
[15:14] <BadRobot> ok
[15:15] <ningbo> irc.freenode.net
[15:15] <dns53> as always ~100mb daily of updates
[15:15] <ningbo> i recently made a clean install to hardy heron, i did the same thing for WPA as for gutsy but it doesn't work now, any suggestions?
[15:15] <catweazle> andre: it gives you only the hardware from the VM
[15:16] <aguitel> ningbo: what card?
[15:16] <ningbo> aguitel how can I tell? I forgot
[15:16] <andre> catweazle, how can i procede now?
[15:16] <aguitel> lspci
[15:17] <catweazle> andre: what VM you use?
[15:17] <ningbo> 06:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
[15:17] <ningbo> 07:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8036 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller (rev 15)
[15:17] <ningbo> 09:04.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCIxx12 Cardbus Controller
[15:17] <aguitel> ningbo: do you have icon in the bar?
[15:18] <ningbo> aguitel: yes, i downloaded ca-certificates and put in the same settings i did in gutsy for the network manager
[15:19] <andre> catweazle, my lspci http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/62643/
[15:20] <savvas> hardy + hp laserjet P1006 = awesome :)
[15:20] <andre>  VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M890 [Chrome9] Integ
[15:20] <andre> rated Video (rev 01)
[15:20] <gluer> hardy + hp laserjet P3005N = awesome +1
[15:29] <zerodamage> Does anyone know what day this month hardy will be officially released?  Seems like it is taking longer than normal for a release candidate to show up and there still be time to release the final.
[15:31] <Sergeant_Pony> 24th
[15:33] <Ayabara> !restricted
[15:33] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[15:33] <ryrules1> will my bcm43xx wireless card support injection in heron
[15:33] <ryrules1> and how would i go about supporting injection in heron i used a patch in gusty
[15:34] <ryrules1> ?
[15:35] <ryrules1> anyone?
[15:35] <Ayabara> do I still need the w32codecs to play some wmv files? mplayer throws "Cannot find codec 'dvaudio' in libavcodec" at me
[15:36] <h3sp4wn_> Possibly - I haven't needed it for ages
[15:36] <ryrules1> can anyone see what im writing?
[15:36] <ryrules1> or no
[15:36] <ryrules1> ?
[15:36] <andre> Lynoure, catweazle i still have the problem guys :( any sugestions ?
[15:36] <Sergeant_Pony> hmm... I did 120 updates this morning and now hal is red in restricted drivers even tho it's enabled. Any ideas?
[15:37] <zniavre> you should install linux-restricted-module with good kernell
[15:37] <Sergeant_Pony> explain... everything is working the way it's supposed to with no issues
[15:38] <mon^rch> hello, i'm having problems with ff and flash... anybody else?
[15:39] <mon^rch> Firefox could not install this item because "install-0vr..rdf"
[15:39] <Lynoure> andre: I don't even understand why you need xrandr in a virtual machine, so I don't think I'll be much help here
[15:39]  * Lynoure tries to do only fun support :)
[15:40] <andre> Lynoure, i do not need xrandr in a virtual machine :S i just did last update in 8.04 and my screen resolution got like that
[15:40] <andre> xrandr is the new screen manager for ubuntu is not it ?
[15:42] <hackel> Does anyone know how to configure a sound device for qemu with virt-manager / libvirt?
[15:42] <andre> quit
[15:45] <NBrepresent> Hi, just checking, the disclaimer 'not for production use' is no longer in effect after April 24?
[15:47] <orvokki> :D
[15:51] <omar> can I install the xfce on Ubuntu?
[15:51] <h3sp4wn_> omar: yep
[15:51] <h3sp4wn_> omar: depending on what you want - probably the minimum would be the xfce4 metapackage
[15:52] <omar> h3sp4wn: Uh-huh okay, but what about the advanced one?
[15:54] <h3sp4wn_> omar: if you want xfce made to look (badly) like a second rate gnome then you can get xubuntu-desktop
[15:55] <NET||abuse> is it possible to take a new vista laptop, 160GB drive (I have it a week and 80GB used), install ubuntu and resize the vista image down to 100GB, use 60 for ubuntu and dual boot that way?
[15:55] <NET||abuse> the resize is the big issue to start with
[15:55] <NET||abuse> then i'd like to be able to run vista as a vm inside ubuntu
[15:56] <h3sp4wn_> I am not sure that gparted deals with the vista ntfs yet
[15:56] <NET||abuse> live from the other partition, or be able to just boot into that parition where needed?
[15:56] <fluteflute> NET||abuse: almost certainly first part yes, vm unlikely
[15:56] <NET||abuse> yeh, that was my first concern
[15:56] <omar> h3sp4wn: Can I just install it by just typing : sudo apt-get install xfce4 ?
[15:57] <NET||abuse> the ntfs with vista, i'm not sure how updated/different it is to XP ntfs?
[15:57] <h3sp4wn_> omar: yep
[15:57] <h3sp4wn_> omar: then just select xfce4 from the session choices
[15:57] <DanaG> Vista can resize itself, to a point.
[15:57] <DanaG> Look in disk management.
[15:57] <mluser-work> Anyone know if the 'Human List' gdm theme is still broken?
[15:57] <omar> h3sp4wn: Uh-huh okay, so it's the same as kde4, right? :D
[15:58] <h3sp4wn_> omar: In what respect ?
[15:58] <nemo> NET||abuse: the one thing you will run into with vista is you will need to use the vista boot manager
[15:58] <fluteflute> NET||abuse: you could resize beforehand inside Vista: http://vistarewired.com/2007/02/16/how-to-resize-a-partition-in-windows-vista/
[15:58] <omar> h3sp4wn: With respect to inta
[15:58] <omar> h3sp4wn: With respect to inta
[15:58] <nemo> NET||abuse: !@#$ vista clobbers the boot manager at random unless your bios has boot sector protection
[15:58] <omar> h3sp4wn: With respect to installation*** ><
[15:58] <h3sp4wn_> omar: Yep
[15:58] <nemo> NET||abuse: that, or you don't mind carrying grub around on a CD
[15:59] <h3sp4wn_> NET||abuse: Or a usbkey
[15:59] <omar> h3sp4wn: And yead I have a problem, my screenlets , art manager and emesene, are not working.
[16:00] <omar> h3sp4wn: It might be because I tried to upgrade python to version 3.0 alpha
[16:00] <h3sp4wn_> omar: maybe you need the more stuff in xubuntu-desktop then - I dunno much about that stuff though
[16:00] <omar> h3sp4wn: Oh, it's okay. :)
[16:00] <h3sp4wn_> That seems an insane thing to do (Ubuntu uses python for loads of stuff)
[16:01] <omar> h3sp4wn: thanks a lot.
[16:01] <h3sp4wn_> and if its corrupting files you are in a right mess
[16:01] <h3sp4wn_> (I was in a similar situation with perl once)(
[16:01] <omar> h3sp4wn: Yeah I know, but now I got it back to python 2.5 :)
[16:02] <h3sp4wn_> Maybe you are lucky and not much is broken if anything
[16:02] <h3sp4wn_> Why not just put it into /usr/local if you really want to try it
[16:03] <DanaG> My Vista hasn't clobbered the MBR.
[16:03] <nemo> DanaG: my brothers has. repeatedly.
[16:03] <DanaG> It doesn't do it randomly.
[16:03] <DanaG> Odd.
[16:03] <nemo> DanaG: and there was no pattern
[16:03] <nemo> DanaG: he'd run vista for a while, fine.
[16:03] <DanaG> Dang, that's odd.  It's never happened to me.
[16:03] <nemo> DanaG: has happened to him over half a dozen times
[16:04] <Exilant> anyone else here has problems with logging off, shutting down, ctrl-alt-bsing just leading to a black screen? or can point me to a solution. seems to be fglrx related.
[16:04] <nemo> he has gotten dang fast about replacing MBR
[16:04] <nemo> DanaG: it does discourage running Vista :-p
[16:04] <omar> h3sp4wn: yeah, actually I tried to remove python yesterday. and lead me to loosing the gui. :)
[16:04] <nemo> DanaG: if we could only figure out what is different between his vista settings and yours. but with OEM, who friggen' knows.
[16:04] <DanaG> Is it an OEM system?  Perhaps the OEM did something funky.
[16:04] <nemo> DanaG: the problem has been repeatedly covered online though.
[16:04] <DanaG> Mine was OEM with XP; I installed Vista plain from DVD.
[16:04] <omar> but luckily i got it back easily. :)
[16:05] <nonix4> Is there any simple way to check whether "Commit:     ae770152c801f10a91e5e86597a39b5f9ccf2d0d" is being considered for inclusion to hardy kernels?
[16:05] <nemo> DanaG: well. that is one difference I suppose
[16:05] <nemo> DanaG: perhaps you checked off the "Don't be evil" installation checkbox
[16:05] <DanaG> Perhaps there's some recovery partition or BIOS thingy that screws with the MBR.
[16:05] <nemo> DanaG: nope to recovery partition or BIOS thingy
[16:05] <nemo> DanaG: the *vista* boot loader is consistently replaced. the bios is vanilla
[16:06] <nemo> DanaG: and it ONLY happens when he boots vista
[16:06] <nemo> which is one reason he does that less often
[16:06] <nemo> DanaG: again. the problem is well documented
[16:06] <nemo> the only solution is to deal with it, protect your boot sector in bios, or use the vista boot loader
[16:06] <h3sp4wn_> Can the nt version of grub not be used
[16:07] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: huh? NT version of grub?
[16:07] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: the issue is the MBR is getting overwritten
[16:07] <nemo> has nothing to do with NT, linux or whatever
[16:07] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: any boot loader that is not the vista one gets clobbered
[16:07] <x0x> anyone here to help me with dns?
[16:08] <x0x> http://pastebin.com/m1c21be04
[16:08] <h3sp4wn_> nemo: Could hook something in to the startup to reinstall grub
[16:08] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: there are instructions for using ubuntu with the vista boot loader... I don't think it chainloads though, so you can't still use grub
[16:08] <h3sp4wn_> (There is a windows version of grub)
[16:08] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: you mean into shutdown I think :)
[16:08] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: whether there is a windows version of grub or not doesn't make a damn bit of difference
[16:08] <h3sp4wn_> nemo: I would hook it in straight away after boot
[16:08] <nemo> if the MBR is being overwritten
[16:08] <x0x> anyone here to help me with dns?
[16:08] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: huh? you can't boot :-p
[16:09] <h3sp4wn_> nemo: and overwrite the mbr myself
[16:09] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: you could rewrite the MBR as vista shuts down
[16:09] <nemo> that'd be legit
[16:09] <h3sp4wn_> everytime
[16:09] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: doing it on boot is stupid
[16:09] <nemo> because you can't
[16:09] <DanaG> Oh, maybe some antivirus solution is doing it.
[16:09] <nemo> DanaG: quite possible. but if so, it is Vistas
[16:09] <nemo> DanaG: believe me, that thought occurred to us.
[16:09] <h3sp4wn_> nemo: hook it in to the registry to run grub-install
[16:09] <nemo> he has no 3rd party AV
[16:09] <nemo> DanaG: and again. many other vista users have run into this
[16:09] <DanaG> "well documented" -- I can't find it.
[16:10] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: it would need to do it on shutdown. not on vista startup
[16:10] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: on vista startup everything is fine.
[16:10] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: and running grub install is pointless
[16:10] <nemo> all you need to do is write 512 bytes to the MBR
[16:10] <nemo> that would be a very tiny patch :)
[16:10] <h3sp4wn_> Either way its not difficult to do
[16:10] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: great. write me up a solution to send to him, since I don't have a windows machine or a vista one :)
[16:10] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: anyway, no one has made one yet...
[16:11] <h3sp4wn_> I don't have vista either unfortunately
[16:11] <nemo> some windows version of dd would be nice
[16:11] <nemo> that worked in vista
[16:11] <nemo> DanaG: fine. one sec.
[16:11] <DanaG> There's a windows version of DD.
[16:12] <nemo> for vista? that'd be nice
[16:12] <nemo> DanaG: anyway. here. I'll start linking you to the links he was sharing with me
[16:13] <DanaG> You could add it as scheduled task, and it'll run as admin.
[16:13] <h3sp4wn_> dd should be part of the services for unix stuff
[16:13] <nemo> DanaG: http://codylogan.net/2007/08/20/nothing-is-ever-easy/?akst_action=share-this  - 6th paragraph.  not the XP MBR thing. that is sepparate issue
[16:13] <h3sp4wn_> (afaik you can get them in vista anyway)
[16:13] <nemo> DanaG: getting more links
[16:13] <nemo> DanaG: http://neosmart.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1168  post #5
[16:14] <DanaG> Hmm, "XP drive is G" -- that's silly -- it's rather easy to fix.
[16:14] <DanaG> You just have to mark the partition active before installation.
[16:14] <nemo> DanaG: anyway. I don't run windows except in a VM. So. Don't much care
[16:15] <nemo> DanaG: just. he's run into repeated overwrite of grub with windows boot loader, and it isn't due to AV and it isn't him alone.  But then, your situation is different due to the DVD
[16:15] <nemo> he doesn't even have a DVD
[16:15] <nemo> MS has never given OEM that option
[16:15] <nemo> DanaG: so. you bought Vista? :)
[16:16] <DanaG> Nope, got it through the beta.
[16:16] <h3sp4wn_> I think I can have an upgrade for a silly low price as a student
[16:16] <Pelo> re-re-re-hi folks
[16:16] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I have to go off to class now, but anyway, you can add Ubuntu to the Vista bootloader.
[16:16] <h3sp4wn_> But I would need 4gb ram
[16:17] <DanaG> I use just 1; works well enough.
[16:17]  * nonix4 likes 8 so far
[16:18] <h3sp4wn_> My laptop that might use it takes a max of 4
[16:18] <Pelo> I have a partiton that mounts to /home/jean/Downloads , showing up as "Média 69.p Gio" on my desktop it didn't do that before,  it's ext3  what gives ?
[16:18] <DanaG> Some HP workstation laptops allow 8, for an ungodly high price.
[16:18] <h3sp4wn_> DanaG: The official hp upgrade is £500 for 4gb
[16:18] <DanaG> 2x 4GB SODIMM.
[16:18] <nonix4> MemFree:       6069580 kB - that's within one hour of powering this 'puter up or so. Only a handful of programs running so far.
[16:19] <DanaG> 1200 bucks if you get it through them.  (8510w model; base is 1x2GB)
[16:19]  * DanaG has to go now.  Will be back some time later.
[16:20] <brunodbo> I've been having multimedia problems since I updated my beta install this morning
[16:20] <brunodbo> mp3's won't play, quicktime doesn't play in movie player, ..
[16:21] <h3sp4wn_> DanaG: Actually mine can have 8GB (8710w) I don't need it though
[16:21] <Bjbbop> man i always have multimedia problems
[16:21] <Bjbbop> still dont work
[16:21] <Bjbbop> :P
[16:21] <jodie> Hello
[16:21] <Pelo> brunodbo, install , or reinstall all gstreamer0,10 packages , and lame , and mpeg123 and mpeg321
[16:22] <jodie> Purchased the Garth Brooks Utilimate audio CD set.. Music plays fine but ubuntu 7.10 doesn't reconize the video DVD.. Can some one tell me what I'm missing.
[16:22] <brunodbo> ok Pelo
[16:22] <nonix4> [   44.145929] raid6: using algorithm sse2x4 (9062 MB/s) ... wonder why it caps at lower-than-single-disk speeds in practice, even when doing read only...
[16:22] <Pelo> jodie, you need to install the libdvd stuff, and the css decoder and using totem-xine also helps
[16:22] <Exilant> Anyone in here running flash successfully in konqueror? if so, how?
[16:22] <Pelo> !dvd | jodie
[16:22] <ubotu> jodie: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[16:23] <h3sp4wn_> Exilant: konqueror4 seems to just work
[16:23]  * Pelo can't beleive he's doing support in the beta channel now
[16:23] <Exilant> oh
[16:23] <h3sp4wn_> Or it did last time I checked
[16:24] <jodie> ubotu - thanks I'll check it out
[16:24] <Exilant> hm, is kde4 usable? last time i checked it wasn't
[16:24] <h3sp4wn_> For what definition of usable
[16:24] <jodie> Pelo.. Thanks
[16:25] <pen> !Medibuntu
[16:25] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[16:25] <h3sp4wn_> Its more usable than kde1 was first time I tried it
[16:25] <Exilant> i see :)
[16:32] <jaffarkelshac> is there veoh for hardy? i have been searching online but nothing with wine worls
[16:33] <Pelo> veoh ?
[16:33] <Stockfisch> hi .. yesterday I upgraded to hardy and now I have a small problem .. when I connect my ipod rhythmbox starts automatically and I don't know how to stop this .. at system -> preferences -> media (I don't know the correct english entries since I'm using a german ubuntu) I can't change this
[16:33] <gonzo719_> has anyone gotten VirtualBox OSE working in 8.04 with the latest kernel?
[16:34] <brunodbo> Pelo, I reinstalled all gstreamer0.10 packages I had installed, installed lame, and reinstalled all mpeg packages
[16:34] <brunodbo> problem remaiiins
[16:35] <Pelo> brunodbo,  and lame ?
[16:35] <brunodbo> installed lame
[16:35] <Pelo> brunodbo, I'm out of ideas
[16:35] <brunodbo> ok
[16:35] <brunodbo> thanks anyway
[16:35] <jaffarkelshac> pelo do you not know veoh
[16:36] <brunodbo> btw, is there a way to select packages in the command line, that have partially the same name?
[16:36] <Pelo> jaffarkelshac, by another name maybe, , I'm no good with acronymes
[16:36] <brunodbo> like a wild card?
[16:36] <brunodbo> say 'aptitude reinstall gstreamer0.10*' or something?
[16:36] <Pelo> brunodbo, why not use synaptic ?
[16:36] <jaffarkelshac> veoh is a sorta like youtube, except most of the content is a 5 min preview and you need veoh player to watch the rest
[16:37] <brunodbo> i used synaptic now
[16:37] <Pelo> jaffarkelshac, ic, I think I've heard of it
[16:37] <brunodbo> but would like to know if there is a command line way to do tthat
[16:37] <jaffarkelshac> Stockfisch, unfortunately i dont have an ipod
[16:37] <Pelo> brunodbo, just do a serch for gstreamer and the select all the needed packages
[16:37] <Pelo> brunodbo, ignore me then ,
[16:37] <Pelo> later folks , gotta go
[16:39] <jaffarkelshac> brunodbo just search in terminal with the core name as in "sudo aptitude search gstreamer" and it will return all packages with gstreamer in the name
[16:39] <Stockfisch> jaffarkelshac: actually I know I could change this behaviour in gutsy, but now there's no entry for what to do with ipod .. but .. thanks anyway
[16:40] <Sergeant_Pony> network UNCLAIMED
[16:40] <Sergeant_Pony>        description: Ethernet controller
[16:40] <Sergeant_Pony>        product: AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter
[16:40] <Sergeant_Pony>  Anyone know what this meens?
[16:41] <brunodbo> jaffarkelshac: yes, but how do I perform actions (install, reinstall, ...) for all packages that have 'gstreamer' in their name?
[16:41] <Bjbbop> hello
[16:42] <Stockfisch> Sergeant_Pony: yea ... seems to be an athero wireless network card :) .. shouldn't it work with madwifi ?
[16:42] <Bjbbop> man this is complicated i need to register  my nickname
[16:43] <Sergeant_Pony> StockFish it doesn't even show up under network... but yea it should be madwifi
[16:43] <jaffarkelshac> brunodbo, well manually "sudo aptitude install gstreamer1 gstreamer2 ........ and it will install all, i am not sure how it can install but just 1 name
[16:46] <h3sp4wn_> brunodbo: try - sudo aptitude reinstall gstreamer~i
[16:46] <h3sp4wn_> brunodbo: run aptitude clean first
[16:48] <Stockfisch> Sergeant_Pony: seems you're not the only one having problems with hardy and atheros ... do you speak german ? I found this tutorial http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/160673/
[16:49] <Sergeant_Pony> Stockfish... sorry no German
[16:49] <rrittenhouse> I'm not sure if this is related to the updates this morning but ever since im getting errors that /tmp is full?
[16:50] <Sergeant_Pony> Stocjfish it's not even scanning for any wifi in the area.... nothing
[16:51] <Stockfisch> Sergeant_Pony: hmm .. do you use the restricted drivers ?
[16:53] <rrittenhouse> Why would hardy tell me that /tmp is full? If I do a df -h it tells me "overflow" is 1.0MB and its using 1.0MB and thats mounted on /tmp
[16:53] <Sergeant_Pony> nope... since the last set of updates hal is red but activated.....
[16:54] <hydrogen> wow
[16:54] <hydrogen> I'm starting to think
[16:54] <hydrogen> that the designers of the gtk file dialog
[16:55] <hydrogen> are going out of their way to make it more and more horrible
[16:55] <hydrogen> every release
[16:55] <brunodbo> h3sp4wn_: cool, that works
[16:55] <brunodbo> thanks
[16:55] <hydrogen> every time I think its reached the worst it can be
[16:55] <hydrogen> they manage to make it even worse
[16:55] <nemo> hm. going to have to create a boot partition.
[16:55] <awalton__> hydrogen, oh you know us GNOME developers. if it's a hindrance to the user, we throw it in.
[16:55] <nemo> running into that stupid Error 18 in grub
[16:55] <nemo> odd thing was, it just appeared. laptop was working fine previously.
[16:55] <awalton__> all of those buttons everywhere, all of those configuration options...
[16:56] <nemo> maybe the kernel got moved around on FS or something?
[16:56] <awalton__> hydrogen, file bugs, nag.
[16:56] <Laney> Are there european mirrors of the daily images?
[16:56] <jaffarkelshac> is it possible to access the partition os ubuntu installed using wubi from other installations. the space is a root.disk file
[16:56] <hydrogen> awalton__: I have to imagine that these changes are deliberate
[16:56] <hydrogen> they are way too bad to be accidental
[16:57] <awalton__> seeing as you haven't even quantified such changes, I wonder. but either way, file bugs, nag.
[16:59] <kane77> anyone else with broadcom 43xx wifi having problem after upgrade?
[16:59] <hydrogen> nah, It just reaffrims my belief that gtk is bad... totems dialog now automatically filling in the file path as you type it without any warning goes completely against all other dialogs behavior and is unbelievably annoying
[17:01] <rrittenhouse> I just did my updates for the second time today and now gksudo will not accept my password!
[17:01] <Sergeant_Pony> hmm wireless working just can't connect still....
[17:02] <h3sp4wn_> awalton__: Any idea how I added - Open Terminal to the menu when I right click the desktop
[17:02] <awalton__> h3sp4wn_, sudo apt-get install nautilus-open-terminal
[17:02] <donomo> im using the compiz config settings manager and ive turned on Desktop Cube and Rotate Cube. when i do ctl-alt-arrow, it flips like paper instead of showing a cube.
[17:02] <donomo> any ideas?
[17:03] <cjsoftuk> I upgraded to Hardy today, and it's awesome, except there's a few things not quite working as expected.  VMWare Server Console is borked.  Don't tell me it's in the repos, please!?  It's telling me there's missing version info, namely GCC_4.2.0 and GCC_3.4
[17:03] <h3sp4wn_> awalton__: Brilliant
[17:03] <jbroome> cjsoftuk: known issue
[17:04] <cjsoftuk> jbroome: There's a copy of vmware-server in the partner repos, according to aptitude, I'll try that
[17:04] <jbroome> does it have console too?  i haven't checked
[17:04] <cjsoftuk> jbroome: DUH, I forgot about that
[17:05] <jbroome> :)
[17:10] <daekdroom> Hm. Is hal package dependencie tree broken?
[17:10] <sivel27> any fixes for sound on a laptop, intel ich6 sound chipset?
[17:14] <slanning> hi, having a problem in hardy - I can login (graphical interface), but....I think GNOME isn't starting or something - I have a mouse and can move it
[17:15] <slanning> can start programs from text terminals:   DISPLAY=:0.0 gqview
[17:15] <donomo> compiz window animations are so fun!
[17:15] <slanning> familiar?
[17:15] <donomo> slanning: sounds like you dont have even a window manager
[17:16] <daekdroom> slanning: did you install ATI proprietary driver?
[17:16] <slanning> nvidia one
[17:17] <daekdroom> well. Because when I installed ATI proprietary driver here, I get something similar to that.
[17:17] <slanning> it broke monday actually, just dist-update again today didn't fix it
[17:17] <daekdroom> It's a little bad conf at xorg.conf
[17:17] <slanning> hm
[17:17] <daekdroom> There was a phew 0s where there shouldn't be. :p
[17:19] <slanning> there was a new "pulseaudio" thing added, could it be related?
[17:19] <daekdroom> No.
[17:19] <slanning> I get some messages in /var/log/messages
[17:19] <slanning> hm, ok
[17:19] <daekdroom> Pulseaudio is the new audioserver. It doesn't break stuff like that.
[17:20] <daekdroom> You should try to use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[17:20] <daekdroom> even tho that isn't the command to configure it anymore. It makes a fresh xorg.conf with keyboard configuration (make a backup).
[17:21] <MrKeuner> hi, will one be able to log vino connections(any attempts) in 8.04.24?
[17:22] <miip> hi
[17:23] <jaffarkelshac> !nfs
[17:23] <ubotu> nfs is the network file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[17:24] <patchie> !test
[17:24] <ubotu> Failed.
[17:24] <patchie> !hamachi
[17:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hamachi - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:24] <miip> is anyone using virt-manager to remotecontrol kvm over ssh on another machine successfully?
[17:26] <jaffarkelshac> no, i use ssh but not virt-manager
[17:27] <slanning> I think my problem is gtk or something - in /var/log/messages there's a segfault from gdm, and several "GTK_IS_TREE_VIEW ... failed" messages
[17:27] <numus> is repos really slow?
[17:28] <daekdroom> numus: probally you're using a overloaded repo
[17:28] <numus> daekroom just getting the updates from the us.archive.ubuntu.com
[17:28] <numus> it is dowloading at around 7 kb/s
[17:29] <daekdroom> Hm. Checked if your internet is fine?
[17:30] <numus> 1 mbit.. a little slow but not that bad
[17:30] <bluefoxx__> how can i low-level format a SATA drive? i think i need to do it to mine as its been buggering up files the past week and gparted has been on "mkfs.ext3" al night
[17:30] <nemo> hey. this is a little silly, but due to how ubuntu autogenerates the grub conf, I want to be careful.  Is there a how-to for adding a new /boot partition?
[17:30] <mxpxpod> I'm trying to run firefox-2, but I can't get it to use ~/.mozilla/firefox.2-replaced as its user directory to use my firefox2 extensions... how would I do that?
[17:31] <nemo> as it applies to, oh, /etc/fstab UUIDs, grub conf changes, etc?
[17:31] <h3sp4wn_> bluefoxx__: You cannot without tools that cost alot of money
[17:31] <nemo> I've just created a 512MiB primary partition.
[17:31] <h3sp4wn_> bluefoxx__: Unless you are lucky and your hard drive manufacturer provides them
[17:31] <h3sp4wn_> (probably for dos)
[17:32] <bluefoxx__> h3sp4wn_: theres nothing in the repos?i know i can low-level my scsi drives...but thats those -. -
[17:32] <nemo> mxpxpod: are you asking about how to create a new firefox profile?
[17:32] <nemo> mxpxpod: use profile manager.
[17:32] <h3sp4wn_> bluefoxx__: Its not something that you should ever need to do
[17:32] <mxpxpod> nemo: I'm not sure if I need a new profile or not... firefox3 in gutsy used ~/.mozilla/firefox-3.0, so I figured that I could get firefox2 to use ~/.mozilla/firefox.2-replaced
[17:32] <nemo> mxpxpod: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_Manager  - same tool applies to sharing profiles between win/lin, whatever.
[17:33] <h3sp4wn_> nemo: There is no reason why it is complicated
[17:33] <nemo> mxpxpod: your profile can be wherever.
[17:33] <numus> !ati
[17:33] <ubotu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[17:33] <numus> !repos
[17:33] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[17:33] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: ok. just trying to be cautious.
[17:33] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: seems I will need to make *some* changes.
[17:33] <h3sp4wn_> nemo: Unless its on the non primary drive
[17:33] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: /etc/fstab will definitely need modification, and the grub files.
[17:33] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: and I want to make sure later updates to grub conf use the right partition for booting.
[17:33] <bluefoxx> i officially think that SATA sucks. im sticking to scsi XD
[17:34] <nemo> bluefoxx: scsi is dead. long live USB
[17:34] <h3sp4wn_> bluefoxx: Good idea
[17:34] <h3sp4wn_> bluefoxx: SAS is ok
[17:35] <h3sp4wn_> nemo: menu.lst or are you using grub2 ?
[17:35] <bluefoxx> i still use scsi. the stuff is cheap and reliable now[cheap as in second hand and salvaged from old computers ppl toss out]
[17:35] <bluefoxx> =p
[17:35] <bluefoxx> plus it lets me have more hards in my system than i should even need hehe
[17:36] <h3sp4wn_> I don't like the wineing sound you get from 15000 drives but my sparc has them anyway
[17:36] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: I'm using whatever was default in ubuntu hardy :)  - this machine is in middle of gparted resize to make room for partition, so I'm loath to muck with it now
[17:37] <h3sp4wn_> nemo: thats grub-legacy or grub1 or whatever
[17:37] <mxpxpod> nemo: is there a way to get FF2 to start with a certain profile and ff3 with a different?
[17:37] <MrMist> hey
[17:38] <MrMist> I want to have the display on my CRT when I have it connected to my laptop... is this difficult to achieve ?
[17:38] <akk> depends on the laptop
[17:38] <h3sp4wn_> MrMist: Permanently yes
[17:39] <h3sp4wn_> MrMist: With xrandr - not really if you have a suitable driver
[17:39] <akk> some laptops, if you boot them with a monitor connected, they'll remember that.
[17:39] <h3sp4wn_> The new xrandr drivers mess with that
[17:39] <h3sp4wn_> (Mine is a thinkpad and fine in that respect until xorg is involved)
[17:40] <h3sp4wn_> the kernel even lets me switch outputs etc
[17:40] <akk> gutsy had an update back in january that horked the video-out signal on my laptop
[17:40] <MrMist> This PC used to be fine. But not anymore. I've got a Dell Latitude
[17:40] <akk> but hardy fixes it, fortunately
[17:40] <MrMist> xrandr ?
[17:41] <nemo> mxpxpod: of course
[17:41] <nemo> mxpxpod: read that link. it also links to launching firefox with a specified profile.
[17:41] <mxpxpod> nemo: so I'll have to edit my .desktop files
[17:41] <nemo> mxpxpod: that is definitely the recommended way to do things. but basically it amounts to firefox -P profilename
[17:41] <nemo> mxpxpod: yep.
[17:41] <mxpxpod> nemo: hrmm, ok
[17:41] <mxpxpod> I know it used to be that you could run ff3 and ff2 side-by-side
[17:42] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: aight. well. are you aware of a walkthrough? I'll try to cover all bases, but...
[17:42] <nemo> mxpxpod: well. that is still true.
[17:42] <nemo> kinda
[17:42] <mxpxpod> nemo: if I run firefox-3.0 from the command line and ff2 is running, it pops up a ff2 window
[17:42] <nemo> mxpxpod: try a new profile :)
[17:42] <mxpxpod> nemo: that's using a new profile
[17:42] <nemo> oh really. huh. I thought the new mechanism checked in profile
[17:42] <MrKeuner> hi, will one be able to log vino connections(any attempts) in 8.04.24?
[17:43] <h3sp4wn_> nemo: No - I have never used anything other than the grub manpage
[17:43] <h3sp4wn_> the important file is /boot/grub/menu.lst (
[17:44] <nemo> h3sp4wn_: seems you'd have to edit fstab too - to add a /boot entry
[17:44] <nemo> mxpxpod: dunno what to say.  irc://irc.mozilla.org/firefox  best place to ask.  guess you should ask and check back
[17:44] <nemo> mxpxpod: on reflection. of course it can't be profile.  I've run into same thing if running firefox through ssh -YC
[17:45] <mxpxpod> nemo: right, which is why I asked about pointing firefox 2 at a different config directory, such as ~/.mozilla/firefox-2
[17:47] <evan_> hey what happens if i load hardy from winxp?
[17:47] <jaffarkelshac> what to you mean load from winxp
[17:48] <topyli> wubi the windows installer?
[17:49] <evan_> jaffarkelshac, i mean the windows installer of hardy. will it install hardy on my windows partition?? or wil it install hardy as a program or what will it do?
[17:50] <topyli> it will install ubuntu in a virtual disk inside a single file on your windows filesystem
[17:50] <evand> evan_: It will install Ubuntu as a set of files on your Windows partition and add an entry to the Windows bootloader.
[17:50] <jaffarkelshac> it will reserve a partition and install hardy there, it will not affect your windows. i will appear as a file in windows evan_
[17:52] <jaffarkelshac> it really is the safest way to install ubuntu if you feel you might mess things up with partitins evan_
[17:53]  * Gilou really loves pulseaudio
[17:54] <evan_> jaffarkelshac, its because i realy like ubuntu dut my laptop isnt realy stable ( from edgy untill hardy ) it get´s overheated everytime!
[17:54] <topyli> slower than a real installation i guess though
[17:54] <jaffarkelshac> really, i found mine faster
[17:55] <jaffarkelshac> in 10 min it was ready to use including updates
[17:55] <topyli> oh. i haven't tried, don't have a windows box :)
[17:56] <jaffarkelshac> i use my windows less and less, veoh is the only thing that makes me go back so far no alternative
[17:56] <spiderfire> hello
[17:56] <jaffarkelshac> hi
[17:56] <spiderfire> veoh?
[17:57] <spiderfire> my sound can only play in 1 app at once
[17:58] <spiderfire> last time i checked
[17:58] <FliesLikeABrick> yeah, I've been running into that with hardy sometimes, haven't been able to nail it down really.  I seem to run into that in most betas
[17:58] <FliesLikeABrick> on one computer I have that problem, but on another with identical hardware I don't :-/
[17:59] <FliesLikeABrick> (both running hardy)
[17:59] <spiderfire> is that what pulse audio is for?
[18:00] <spiderfire> sound servers?
[18:00] <daekdroom> yes
[18:00] <FliesLikeABrick> pulseaudio is supposed to make the whole audio subsystem work better, and should avoid things like this
[18:00] <spiderfire> theres many sound servers
[18:00] <spiderfire> why so many
[18:00] <FliesLikeABrick> jaffarkelshac what is veoh?
[18:01] <jaffarkelshac> i should probably say veoh player, its required to watch full length videos from www.veoh.com
[18:01] <FliesLikeABrick> videos in what format?
[18:02] <jaffarkelshac> it streams online format is flv
[18:02] <FliesLikeABrick> I'm pretty sure VLC can stream flv too
[18:02] <FliesLikeABrick> mplayer too probably
[18:02] <jaffarkelshac> i know but with veoh.com it requires the player to be installed.
[18:03] <FliesLikeABrick> lame
[18:03] <FliesLikeABrick> does it work in wine?
[18:03] <jaffarkelshac> usually you only get 5min preview and need the player for the full length
[18:04] <spiderfire> have you heard of ovguide.com?
[18:04] <jaffarkelshac> wine is unsuccessful it needs to install plugins in the webrowser
[18:04] <jaffarkelshac> yeah spiderfire, since stage6 shut i am having to use veoh.com
[18:04] <jaffarkelshac> too bad about stage6
[18:06] <smallfoot-> update warsow in the repo
[18:09] <Danish989> Hi everyone
[18:09] <Danish989> I have a question; I'm going to be completely new at linux and was going to install Gutsy Gibbons, but then I heard that Hardy Heron releases in 15 days ... should I upgrade from gutsy to hardy in 15 days or just wait?
[18:10] <FliesLikeABrick> I would say you could install hardy now without trouble
[18:10] <Danish989> the beta version?
[18:10] <kibab> I just wanted to confirm, there is a clean path from the hardy rc's to the final release right?
[18:10] <FliesLikeABrick> yes
[18:10] <orvokki> Still not recommended though.
[18:10] <FliesLikeABrick> yes kibab
[18:10] <Danish989> what's not recommended @ orvokki?
[18:10] <MadProcessor> Hardy is a beta though
[18:10] <kibab> FliesLikeABrick: k. thanks.
[18:10] <MadProcessor> keep that in mind
[18:10] <MrMist> Danish989: I upgraded to hardy beta two days ago. Works just fine :)
[18:10] <orvokki> Danish989: As said before, Hardy is in beta testing still even though it mostly works fine.
[18:10]  * kibab wonders if the update manager with a read-only /tmp have been resolved in hardy
[18:11] <orvokki> So it's not a recommended choice unless you know what you're doing.
[18:11] <kibab> s/read only/non-execute/
[18:11] <FliesLikeABrick> I've been using hardy for a few months just fine.  If you're just using this for personal testing you should be fine
[18:11] <Danish989> I was wondering, if I upgrade from hardy beta to the stable version, will i have to reinstall my software and re-configure settings to my liking/
[18:11] <Pici> Danish989: I suggest waiting until after release to get it.  You aren't going to get much support in here with issues, especially if you are a new user.  And #ubuntu will be very croweded on release day.
[18:11] <FliesLikeABrick> no Danish989
[18:11] <Pici> !final
[18:11] <ubotu> If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Hardy. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[18:12] <slanning> I don't know how to proceed - I put /etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe and "Failsafe GNOME" and booted using a previous known-working kernel ; the result is the same
[18:12] <slanning> past graphical login, the music plays and the mouse works, but I'm staring at the blank background
[18:14] <slanning> as before, DISPLAY=:0.0 gqview   opens up gqview in the ctrl-alt-F7 screen
[18:14] <slanning> this is since dist-upgrade monday
[18:18] <Danish989> ok so I should just go ahead and install Gutsy Gibbons then?
[18:19] <FliesLikeABrick> the choice is ultimately up to you
[18:19] <Danish989> how complicated is the upgrading process?
[18:19] <FliesLikeABrick> very simple
[18:20] <Danish989> is hardy heron beta advisable to be used by a linux n00b?
[18:20] <FliesLikeABrick> I would say yes, but there are people here who would disagree
[18:21] <subpar> Danish989, you should be alright, as long as you can google and follow directions :)
[18:21] <akk> Probably not while it's still in beta -- lots of people are still having issues with it
[18:21] <akk> unless you want to stop being a n00b fast :)
[18:21] <FliesLikeABrick> Danish989 the odds of you running into problems at this point are slim, but if you're looking to understand linux and learn more, then it couldn't hurt to run into problems as long as you are comfortable having to fix things
[18:21] <macogw> Danish989: its mostly usable, just dont do daily updates til you pop in and check that they havent broken anything big
[18:21] <subpar> anyone else having the problem where you can't send/receive in evolution
[18:21] <bluefoxx> i have a suspicion that my 'sata' on my mobo is really just an extra ide channel that converts it to sata...if thats possible...
[18:21] <FliesLikeABrick> hardy has been largely functional for a long time, moreso since this is a LTS version
[18:22] <FliesLikeABrick> why bluefoxx ?
[18:22] <macogw> Danish989: if something big (by which i mean X since noobs tend not to like when that goes away) has broken, you're going to need to run out of noobdom and into seasoned-user-mode pretty quickly
[18:22] <bluefoxx> FliesLikeABrick: b/c scsiadd detects my sata drive as being manufactured by 'ATA'
[18:22] <FliesLikeABrick> SATA drives are still ATA drives
[18:22] <bluefoxx> FliesLikeABrick: it should say seagate
[18:23] <evan_> how do i have controll of my fan speed?
[18:23] <komputes> how do i change my video driver
[18:23] <bluefoxx> Host: scsi1 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00|  Vendor: ATA      Model: ST380815AS       Rev: 3.AA|  Type:   Direct-Access                    ANSI  SCSI revision: 05
[18:23] <LjL> my KSysGuard doesn't seem to list the sensors for CPU temperatures and fan speeds anymore after upgrading to Hardy, although "sensors" in a console still shows them as usual. what gives?
[18:23] <sivel27> any fixes for sound on a laptop, intel ich6 sound chipset? this is annoying. cant seem to find much on it
[18:24] <FliesLikeABrick> sivel27 tell us more about the problem you are having
[18:24] <Danish989> how about I just install gutsy gibbons and get used to that .. then upgrade to hardy heron when it is out of beta and stable?
[18:25] <FliesLikeABrick> sure Danish989
[18:25] <Danish989> okie, Thanks a lot :)
[18:25] <sivel27> well, im on a toshiba laptop, running heron. i have the volume icon there, but nothing plays out of seakers, no matter what i do
[18:25] <sivel27> speakers\
[18:28] <pen> how to assign multimedia keys to compiz?
[18:28] <MadProcessor> sivel27: Have you tried turning up the sound with "alsamixer" ? Run that command at the command line
[18:29] <sivel27> ok one sec
[18:29] <sivel27> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[18:30] <Niklas_E> when I updated the hardy, it made so it doesn't initialize the network (I need to run dhclient eth0) is this a known bug?
[18:31] <evan_> What is the replacement of fancontroll in hardy?
[18:31] <jaffarkelshac> can you install other desktop environments?
[18:31] <evan_> fancontrol?
[18:32] <slanning> I guess I just try waiting till friday, see if stuff is fixed magically by then
[18:33] <sivel27> very irritating
[18:33] <komputes> how do i change my video driver
[18:33] <sivel27> im trying to "ween" myself off of windows "dependancy"
[18:34] <jbroome> and a dependancey on ""
[18:34] <MadProcessor> sivel27: Guess you don't have Alsa installed, do you even have the soundcard recognized by ubuntu?
[18:34] <mydoghasworms> Since upgrading to 8.04 Beta, I have no sound. How do I go about finding out what the problem is?
[18:37] <Danish989> ok, this is probably a stupid question; Ubuntu needs it's own file system and it'll partition my hard disk and then format a partition to it's file system right?
[18:37] <DanaG> WTF?
[18:37] <akk> Danish989: Right, that's the normal (and best) way
[18:37] <Danish989> and that means the hard disk will be formatted clean, right?
[18:37] <DanaG> WHere'd the "Mount archive" option go?
[18:37] <sivel27> im in the same boat
[18:37] <DanaG> You can resize existing partitions.
[18:37] <evan_> does anyone know a fancontroll replacement for hardy?
[18:37] <akk> Danish989: No, you don't need to reformat existing partitions, just new ones
[18:38] <akk> Danish989: you might need to resize the existing partition smaller to make room for new partitions
[18:38] <mydoghasworms> sivel27: You mean with the sound?
[18:38] <Danish989> and resizing existing partitions doesn't mean formatting them?
[18:38] <akk> (um, can the live CD do that? I've never installed with it)
[18:38] <akk> right, resizing doesn't mean formatting
[18:39] <Danish989> can I resize a partition on a hard disk thats formatted with the NTFS file system and install ubuntu on that? (will ubuntu change the file system for it's partition itself?)
[18:39] <mindframe-> i can't get wireshark to work
[18:39] <mindframe-> every time i tell it to start a capture it just locks up
[18:39] <mindframe-> it starts dumpcap but the gui is unresponsive
[18:40] <pen> how to assign multimedia keys to compiz?
[18:40] <cwillu> Danish989, just make sure that windows has done a clean shutdown;  if you just hard-reset the computer, ubuntu will refuse to touch the windows drive (with good reason)
[18:41] <cwillu> mindframe-, what does top show when you run it?
[18:41] <mydoghasworms> sivel27: I have only read from MadProcessor's comment to you, but did you also lose sound after upgrading?
[18:41] <cwillu> and if you run wireshark from a terminal, does anything useful show up?
[18:41] <e_r_c_e> HI! need help, while i was home, my comp went crazy. it restarted itself and gnome logined me in but not loaded desktop.
[18:41] <e_r_c_e> what's going on?
[18:41] <Danish989> okie, thanks cwillu
[18:42] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, this probably falls under the "Please make sure you know how to administer an Ubuntu system, before installing Hardy" category of beta software :p;  what happens if you just hard reset it?
[18:43] <e_r_c_e> cwillu: i am at ubuntu from dapper, i know how to use and administer ubuntu and I DIDN'T RESET MY COMP!!!!!!!!
[18:43] <mindframe-> cwillu, it actually works when i run it in terminal w/ sudo
[18:43] <mindframe-> seems that gksu is causing the issue or something
[18:44] <daekdroom> It's a bad configured xorg.conf
[18:44] <e_r_c_e> daekdroom: speaking to me?
[18:44] <daekdroom> GTK programs don't find the screen, so they can't start. Happens to me everytime I try to install fglrx driver
[18:44] <daekdroom> yes?
[18:44] <macogw> e_r_c_e: he's suggesting that you do a hard restart and see what happens
[18:45] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, no, I'm asking if it works if you do a reset
[18:45] <qzio> ok im doing an safe-upgrade and suddenly i cant go to pages in firefox, "enter" from the address bar throws error...
[18:45] <macogw> qzio: a firefox update probably just installed
[18:45] <cwillu> daekdroom, xorg.conf doesn't seem likely, unless its a compiz issue (if xorg starts up at all, then it's not a case of apps not being able to connect)
[18:45] <macogw> qzio: when that happens, firefox needs to be restarted to function correctly
[18:45] <qzio> macogw: ok.
[18:45] <e_r_c_e> damn, i'll reset if ya want but remember, i left it 10-20 seconds without power and it didn't work
[18:46] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, does it get you to a login prompt?
[18:46] <e_r_c_e> cwillu: YES; but desktop doesn't load!
[18:46] <daekdroom> cwillu: Make a backup of xorg.conf @ console and dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[18:47] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, once it's loaded, switch to a vterm, and run DISPLAY=:0 metacity --replace, switch back, and see if that brings anything up
[18:47] <cwillu> (i.e., after login screen, after the drive settles down, etc)
[18:47] <e_r_c_e> but safe mode works??
[18:47] <e_r_c_e> XD
[18:48] <cwillu> safemode uses metacity, not compiz ;p
[18:48] <e_r_c_e> ;)
[18:48] <clarezoe> anyone knows how to merge two pdf files into one
[18:48] <cwillu> clarezoe, -> #ubuntu
[18:48] <poni> Harro!
[18:48] <cwillu> mindframe-, but gksu from a terminal doesn't work?
[18:49] <cwillu> mindframe-, (as opposed to gksu in a launcher?)
[18:49] <mindframe-> let me check
[18:49] <unicum> will the problems with the macbook (core2duo) wlan be fixed in ubuntu 8.04??
[18:49] <poni> Anyone else noticed a slight bit of ... random freezes in Hardy beta? I run hardy on my laptop, with 1.5gb RAM, and a dualcore cpu, though I get random freezes, where it completely freezes for a few seconds, this is both with live CD and with installed Hardy. Is this normal "beta behaviour"? : )
[18:50] <cwillu> unicum, best bet would be to check launchpad for related bugs, and see if they're marked as fixed
[18:50] <e_r_c_e> in terminal : no protocol specified, mistake of displ. manager: unable to open X display at :0
[18:50] <cwillu> poni, well
[18:50] <e_r_c_e> :\
[18:50] <mydoghasworms> Is it possible, that after upgrading to 8.04 Beta, the system does not detect my sound devices anymore? It certainly seems that way.
[18:50] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, and xorg is logged in (as much as it does)?
[18:51] <daekdroom> e_r_c_e: Bad configured xorg.conf
[18:51] <mydoghasworms> Does it having something to do with the switch to PulseAudio?
[18:51] <daekdroom> Happens to me after I use ati-config --initial because it doesn't handle options well
[18:51] <mindframe-> cwillu, it indeed does not work w/ gksu from a terminal
[18:51] <cwillu> poni, it shouldn't be normal, but it might be;  can you run top in a terminal and see if there's anything hitting the cpu hard, or if anything is showing up on the second line from the top under %wa?
[18:51] <jaffarkelshac> i installed xubuntu-desktop on my  laptop to see how it, but when i uninstall it all the apps it installed stay
[18:51] <cwillu> mindframe-, what about gksudo?
[18:51] <e_r_c_e> cwillu: this error is not logged in /var/crash, daekdroom: I didn't never edited xorg.conf on my own hands!
[18:51] <cwillu> (they behave differently based on the name I believe)
[18:52] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, from the vterm, check if xorg is running (ps aux|grep X)
[18:52] <daekdroom> e_r_c_e: but something might have did so. Like a driver (I've seen that happen with nvidia drivers too)
[18:52] <mindframe-> cwillu, does not work
[18:52] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, you aren't using anything like envy or the like are you?
[18:52] <cwillu> mindframe-, what about from a gnome-terminal launched with gksudo?
[18:52] <mindframe-> cwillu, the gui even freezes up when i click on the capture options
[18:53] <mindframe-> so gksudo gnome-terminal then wireshark?
[18:53] <cwillu> mindframe-, open a top in another window, and see if anything is spiking the cpu when it freezes
[18:53] <cwillu> yes
[18:53] <mindframe-> it doesnt spike
[18:53] <e_r_c_e> cwillu: what should be printed in term?
[18:53] <cwillu> might have to be xterm actually, but either way
[18:53] <cwillu> /usr/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -dpi 100 -auth /v ......
[18:53] <cwillu> the :0 is what I want to know
[18:54] <e_r_c_e> cwillu: cannot copy-paste, tell you somethink like it =)
[18:54] <cwillu> what's the number after /usr/bin/X?
[18:54] <mindframe-> cwillu, it works from a gnome-terminal started w/ gksudo
[18:54] <e_r_c_e> :0
[18:55] <sivel27> sorry about that, laptop froze. it says intel ich6 chipset, but no sound
[18:55] <cwillu> odd
[18:55] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, ps aux|grep -i compiz
[18:56] <mydoghasworms> sivel27: How did you get a list of audio devices on your machine?
[18:56] <qzio> hm.. the new ff-beta is crashing alot.. like 3-4 times in 10 min
[18:56] <e_r_c_e> cwillu, what do wa want to known from this cmd =?
[18:56] <cwillu> if you see compiz anywhere, other than the grep line
[18:57] <sivel27> i double clicked the vilume icon and used the scrollbar for chosing devices
[18:57] <e_r_c_e> cwillu: i see it as being runned by my user
[18:57] <cwillu> qzio, run it in a terminal and see what it says when it crashes
[18:57] <e_r_c_e> i'm sure it'll print core dumped
[18:57] <e_r_c_e> =)
[18:57] <cwillu> yes, but the text leading up to that is handy :p
[18:58] <mydoghasworms> sivel27: I don't even get that. The systems did not seem to have detected any audio devices on my machine, but they were working on 7.10
[18:58] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, you're logged in under the same user in the vterm as in x, right?
[18:58] <e_r_c_e> right
[18:58] <e_r_c_e> cuz i havent got any other
[18:58] <qzio> cwillu: ** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
[18:58] <cwillu> qzio, pastebin it
[18:58] <cwillu> !pastebin
[18:58] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[18:59] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, export DISPLAY=:0
[18:59] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, killall compiz compiz.real; metacity --replace
[19:00] <cwillu> mindframe-, well, I guess it's launchpad time
[19:00] <jbroome> bluefoxx|showeri: let us know how the shower was.  Don't leave us hanging
[19:00] <sivel27> mine was working on 7.10 as well
[19:00] <mindframe-> :)
[19:00] <cwillu> mindframe-, check if it acts the same way (gksudo term, etc) after a reboot, and then see if anybody has reported it, and report it if not :p
[19:01] <sivel27> !pastebin
[19:01] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[19:01] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, note that case is important, etc (you can't paste I guess? :p)
[19:01] <goldins> Hello, I just installed hardy and the default kernel doesn't work
[19:01] <poni> cwillu: Nothign really hitting the CPU hard... Everything quite low
[19:01] <e_r_c_e> cwillu: i doubt that there is text-based explorer
[19:01] <cwillu> poni, anything showing up on the second line %wa?
[19:01] <goldins> this wouldn't be a problem except that the nvidia drivers don't seem to be working with the 2.6.22 kernel
[19:02] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, you'd be surprised :p
[19:02] <cwillu> goldins, what doesn't work?
[19:02] <e_r_c_e> tell me how to install it?
[19:02] <e_r_c_e> :d
[19:02] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, you mean a browser, or which?
[19:02] <poni> cwillu: on Swap ..?
[19:03] <cwillu> poni, stop being cryptic, I can't read your mind or see your screen :p
[19:03] <e_r_c_e> cwillu: somethink like text-based firefox
[19:03] <cwillu> oops
[19:03] <poni> cwillu: Just wondering what you meant by second line %wa
[19:03] <cwillu> sorry poni, wrong person :p
[19:03] <ogre_> hey, im fixing that bug with liblaunchpad-integration1_0.1.18_i386.deb but the package isnt at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/launchpad-integration/ . any suggestions?
[19:03] <qzio> cwillu: i just get some ** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2) then core dumped.. is there a --debug perhapse? :)
[19:03] <goldins> cwillu: it doesn't boot. First, it turns off all the lights on my USB keyboard. Then (if I let it boot graphically) it hangs forever on the loading bar with the bar going back and forth, or (if I interrupt grub and then boot it) it hangs looking for the root partition.
[19:03] <qzio> will try safemode
[19:03] <cwillu> 3rd line actually, where it has cpu(s):... %sys, %id, ...
[19:04] <cwillu> qzio, what plugins do you have on?
[19:04] <cwillu> ya
[19:04] <poni> 2.2%
[19:04] <cwillu> goldins, have you had to mess around with grub in the past?
[19:04] <poni> on %wa
[19:04] <cwillu> poni, that was wa%?
[19:04] <DanaG> Here's something odd: iif I disable my TPM chip, Linux won't boot.
[19:04] <cwillu> okay, probably just io killing you
[19:04] <qzio> cwillu: firefbug and downloadstatusbar.
[19:04] <goldins> It did the same thing on a machine I have at home but there I have a much less complicated video configuration so it wasn't a problem
[19:04] <poni> yeah cwillu
[19:04] <goldins> cwillu: yep
[19:04] <goldins> cwillu: never on this machine though
[19:04] <e_r_c_e> cwillu: somethink like text-based firefox
[19:05] <cwillu> qzio, ya, kill those, and try it again (I've been running trunk builds of firefox, and haven't had a crash in 2 months)
[19:05] <cwillu> goldins, if it's hanging waiting for the root partition, it's not video related
[19:05] <goldins> I know
[19:05] <goldins> the 2.6.22 kernel boots just fine
[19:05] <cwillu> sorry, getting my threads mixed up
[19:05] <goldins> but then the video doesn't work properly
[19:05] <DanaG> For me, the hang happens after something about "bringing up CPUs".
[19:06] <cwillu> goldins, okay, can you pastebin me your /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[19:06] <goldins> cwillu: I haven't touched it, it's completely standard
[19:06] <goldins> but sure thing
[19:06] <cwillu> goldins, yep, sounds like a device rename from the upgrade though
[19:06] <cwillu> goldins, probably the lack of a device uuid, or a rename of the devices from /dev/hda to /dev/sda
[19:06] <goldins> cwillu: but the root device in menu.lst is referenced by UUID
[19:07] <ogre_> hey, im fixing that bug with liblaunchpad-integration1_0.1.18_i386.deb but the package isnt at http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/launchpad-integration/ . any suggestions?
[19:07] <goldins> and it's the same UUID for 2.6.22 and 2.6.24
[19:07] <DanaG> what the heck?  My ACPI hotkeys just randomly broke.
[19:07] <cwillu> goldins, try bringing it up as the device path
[19:07] <ogre_> oops,still applies though
[19:07] <cwillu> root=/dev/sda or whatever
[19:07] <goldins> alright, wish me luck
[19:07] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, links is a textmode browser
[19:08] <qzio> cwillu: do run firebug?
[19:08] <DanaG> links2 is better.
[19:08] <DanaG> links doesn't do ssl.
[19:08] <cwillu> I just saw that :p
[19:08] <cwillu> qzio, no
[19:08] <jk__> i installed xbuntu-desktop and it installed a bunch of stuff a whole not, how do i remove all of them.
[19:08] <cwillu> qzio, disable both of those extensions, you can turn them back on once we've seen firefox not crash :p
[19:09] <e_r_c_e> hey cwillu i think that dpkg was problem, it's fixing gdm.conf right now...
[19:09] <cwillu> jk__, I think you can remove xubuntu-desktop via aptitude, and it'll offer to uninstall the automatically installed packages as well
[19:09] <jk__> it did not, it just uninstalled xubuntu-desktop
[19:10] <h3sp4wn_> Only if you installed it with aptitude
[19:10] <h3sp4wn_> you can try the apt-get autoremove thing
[19:10] <cwillu> jk__, apt-get autoremove
[19:10] <h3sp4wn_> but I personally don't trust it
[19:10] <cwillu> heh
[19:11] <Moniker42> hey, i'm just installing hardy beta on my macbook
[19:11] <cwillu> jk__, synaptic has an 'Installed (auto removable)' status filter
[19:11] <Moniker42> is there no support for HFS+?
[19:12] <jk__> i will check that
[19:12] <e_r_c_e> BRB
[19:12] <Moniker42> gparted from the liveOS seems to be hanging on resizing my HFS+ partition
[19:12] <DanaG> WTF?  My "Hibernate" and "Sleep" entries are missing!
[19:12] <cwillu> DanaG, that'd be the same cause as your acpi buttons breaking, no?
[19:12] <cwillu> or just leave, whichever :p
[19:12] <nemo> Moniker42: CONFIG_HFSPLUS_FS=yes  should be set...
[19:13] <nemo> I wish ubuntu included /proc/config.gz :(
[19:13] <akk> yeah, why don't they?
[19:13] <cwillu> nemo, /boot/config* is what you want anyway
[19:13] <nemo> cwillu: the other one is more convenient.
[19:13] <cwillu> no point putting it statically into the kernel, that file gets installed anyway
[19:14] <Moniker42> nemo, well i've already started the resizing... but it's hanging. should i cancel the operation?
[19:14] <nemo> cwillu: easier to ask a user on any linux to just hit /proc/config.gz first
[19:14] <cwillu> nemo, uname -a?
[19:14] <nemo> cwillu: without having to know particulars. doesn't increase kernel significantly
[19:14] <Moniker42> i'm a bit worried it could've started doing something and will damage my OS X installation =(
[19:14] <cwillu> I'm not a fan of diffing their pastebin against the known settings :)
[19:14] <nemo> cwillu: that requires having a standard /boot/config* format. there isn't one.
[19:14] <cwillu> nemo, there is as far as standard ubuntu kernels is concerned
[19:14] <nemo> Moniker42: looks like it is built as a module
[19:14] <cwillu> and if you're installing your own, then turn it on
[19:15] <nemo> cwillu: heh. just saying. /proc/config.gz allows for generic linux support
[19:15] <nemo> no looking up how distro X works
[19:15] <Wile> I'm on kubuntu 8.04, with Compiz enabled, and I have problems with multidesktop... The configuration windows tell always come back to "1 desktop", there are 4 showed on the taskbar, and there are 2 really active...  Is this normal doctor ?
[19:16] <dotpavan> hi.. I have been experiencing FF3b5 (with NoScript) crashes (random) when viewing flash.. one recommended fix was using flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.115, anybody throw some light if it is effective?
[19:16] <cwillu> nemo, if we were on #linux, then I'd sympathize, and probably even agree :p
[19:16] <cwillu> dotpavan, as opposed to?
[19:16] <nemo> Moniker42: aaaaanyway. yeah. the module is there
[19:16] <nemo> Moniker42: checked in lsmod to see if it is loaded?
[19:16] <dotpavan> cwillu, as opposed to wait for FF3 final release :) or gnash?
[19:17]  * Moniker42 checks
[19:17] <nemo> Moniker42: could also try a modprobe hfsplus  of course
[19:17] <cwillu> dotpavan, just run the nonfree flash
[19:17] <cwillu> it works
[19:17] <dotpavan> cwillu, ok, shall give it a shot. Thanks! just that the default installation was lil problematic and I was skeptical abt configuring it unless proven ;)
[19:18] <cwillu> Wile, sounds like a kde bug;  gnome had a similar bug for a while, but they fixed it back in feisty
[19:18] <cwillu> dotpavan, ya, the package was broken for a while
[19:18] <Wile> cwillu: OK. Will take a look to the reported bugs.
[19:18] <cwillu> dotpavan, ubuntu-restricted-extras will install all the standard bad things that you shouldn't need in a free world :p
[19:19] <frank_> cwillu: except w32codecs
[19:19] <nemo> Moniker42: you know - I thought Mac abandoned HFS+ recently...
[19:19] <nemo> for that Sun filesystem
[19:19] <nemo> the patented one
[19:19] <cwillu> frank_, you shouldn't need that in a bad world either :p
[19:19] <LjL> my KSysGuard doesn't seem to list the sensors for CPU temperatures and fan speeds anymore after upgrading to Hardy, although "sensors" in a console still shows them as usual. why could that be?
[19:20] <goldins> cwillu: I don't think the root device is the issue
[19:20] <Moniker42> nemo, lsmod lists hfsplus, but as used by 0...
[19:20] <goldins> I mean, I tried booting it off /dev/sda2 but it didn't work
[19:20] <goldins> my point is that there's no reason that when it starts to boot it removes usb power
[19:20] <hischild> LjL, perhaps reinstall ksysguard to make it aware of the new stuff? or perhaps the kernel lists them differently? perhaps it doesn't have permissions? (those are just random thoughts)
[19:20] <goldins> I think there's something wrong with this kernel
[19:20] <nemo> Moniker42: can you mount the partition?
[19:21] <nemo> Moniker42: um. with gparted halted of course
[19:21] <LjL> hischild: as far as i can see, the module for my sensors are still called the same way
[19:21] <Moniker42> nemo, i was hesitating to stop gparted...
[19:22] <cwillu> goldins, what fs are you running?
[19:22] <cwillu> just ext3?
[19:22] <goldins> cwillu: yep
[19:22] <hischild> LjL, then i'm at a loss, sorry
[19:23] <Moniker42> nemo, mount: can't find /dev/sda2 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab...
[19:23] <cwillu> !cdrom
[19:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cdrom - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:23] <cwillu> !cd
[19:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:23] <LjL> hischild: uhm, it might seem that the lm-sensors interface has indeed changed, according to http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-667052-view-previous.html?sid=18d0e57ebff572ecd6f671ba7b1ca5ee (although i still have libsensors3 available and installed)
[19:23] <dotpavan> goldins: you have powertop installed? it *might* do that
[19:24] <nemo> Moniker42: fun times. check dmesg I guess
[19:24] <hischild> LjL, and you happen to have that version of ksysguard as well?
[19:24] <Moniker42> hmm
[19:24] <LjL> hischild: 3.5.9. but i had kde 3.5.9 on gutsy too
[19:24] <Moniker42> program gparted is using deprecated SCSI ioctl, please convert to SG_IO
[19:25] <cwillu> goldins, got a hardy livecd?
[19:25] <cwillu> does it boot?
[19:25] <hischild> LjL, and also kde 3.5.9? might be something connected
[19:25] <LjL> hischild: yes i had kde/ksysguard 3.5.9 before, and i have 3.5.9 now (in hardy 3.5.9 is default, in gutsy i upgraded to it from backports)
[19:26] <goldins> cwillu: I don't have a hardy livecd, I installed from gutsy
[19:26] <e_r_c_e> EUREKA!! IT WORKZ!! dpkg --configure etc WORKS!!
[19:26] <goldins> update-manager -d
[19:26] <hischild> LjL, well file a bug with a link then is what i'd say ... if downgrading works on it
[19:26] <MrKeuner> hi, will one be able to log vino connections(any attempts) in 8.04.24?
[19:26] <nextstep> Hell all .. i have a serious issue in Hardy after applying updates today.  When I enter X my screen just displays the background image and nothing ever loads ...help please
[19:26] <e_r_c_e> goldins: we know how to upgrade from gutsy
[19:27] <hischild> nextstep, did you wait 5 mins?
[19:27] <goldins> e_r_c_e: there's more than one way to do it.
[19:27] <nextstep> i left it sitting for about 20
[19:27] <nextstep> no luck
[19:27] <nextstep> and failsafe terminal doesnt work either
[19:27] <cwillu> goldins, any chance you could be persuaded to burn one and see if it boots?
[19:28] <e_r_c_e> nextstep: it was for me too, it doesn't load desktop after logging in?
[19:28] <cwillu> e_r_c_e, -> nextstep :p
[19:28] <goldins> cwillu: sure. Does it have this 2.6.24-15 kernel?
[19:28] <cwillu> believe so
[19:28] <cwillu> it'll have something in the 2.6.24 series
[19:28] <nextstep> sorry .. failsafe gnome
[19:28] <cwillu> either way if an older one works, then that'll give us some approach for your install
[19:29] <goldins> alright
[19:29] <nextstep> yeah .. login screen is perfect .. after login = nothing
[19:29] <nextstep> so I am not the only one then ?
[19:30] <nextstep> cwillu: ?  what do you mean
[19:31] <anteaya> will nodebox work on hardy?
[19:31] <cwillu> nextstep, was talking to goldins
[19:31] <nextstep> ahh k
[19:31] <jmdc> When I resume after suspend to ram, system load is reported to be very large (>13). Performance is just fine, it's just the reported system load that goes up so much. Have others experienced this? Is this a bug, or is everything "working as designed"? Should I file a bug report?
[19:32] <Ace2016> Hi all
[19:32] <nextstep> woah .. i just got a failsafe gnome to come up .. been about 30 mins now
[19:32] <Ace2016> can i get a download link for hardy please
[19:32] <Ace2016> google gave me a link to alpha 1
[19:33] <nextstep> ace:  sudo update-manager -d
[19:33] <Ace2016> no i haven't got ubuntu on this machine
[19:33] <nextstep> or do you need the full release ?
[19:33] <nextstep> ahh
[19:33] <Ace2016> yes
[19:33] <Moniker42> btw i think it was !livecd you were looking for cwillu
[19:33] <Moniker42> !livecd
[19:33] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Desktop CD is a "LiveCD" which can be run without altering existing files on your harddrive. Especially useful for testing your hardware's compatibility, it also includes an install option.
[19:33] <nextstep> sorry no idea
[19:33] <goldins> cwillu: I don't see a livecd
[19:33]  * Ace2016 thinks a download link should be in the topic
[19:34] <cwillu> Moniker42, no, I was actually hoping they had some basic diagnostic info for the 'hardy fails to boot from some cd drives' bug :p
[19:34] <Ace2016> well i prefer the alternative installer
[19:34] <cwillu> goldins, the normal cd is a livecd
[19:34] <Ace2016> acpi issues?
[19:34] <goldins> but I have the install cd almost downloaded
[19:34] <cwillu> goldins, yep
[19:34] <Ace2016> goldins: can i have a link to the download location?
[19:34] <goldins> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors
[19:34] <goldins> Ace2016: I'm getting it from GAtech
[19:35] <Ace2016> oh that simple huh
[19:35] <goldins> GAtech seems to be capping me at 2.5 mbits or so
[19:35] <goldins> :-/
[19:37] <Ace2016> so what does that equate to in kb/s?
[19:37] <nextstep> e_r_c_e:  did you find any way of fixing yours ?
[19:37] <hischild> Ace2016, about 300kbps tops
[19:38] <Ace2016> where are you located? are you sure its not your isp?
[19:38] <cwillu> KB/s you mean? :p
[19:38] <goldins> Ace2016: My ISP is the united states government
[19:38] <cwillu> kb/s would be something like 2000 :p
[19:38] <goldins> we have 3 gbits to the internet
[19:39] <Ace2016> wow
[19:39] <nextstep> stupid wireless card
[19:39] <goldins> we sit on internet2
[19:39] <nextstep> Sorry to ask again, but since i got dc there did anyone post a response about fixing this issue?
[19:39] <Ace2016> but i doubt they'd allow a single user to use too much bandwidth, proably capped
[19:39] <Ace2016> probably*
[19:39] <goldins> Ace2016: I mean, there's definitely a 100mbit router between me and the internet
[19:40] <goldins> Also, my IRC traffic is much slower since I have to route it through an SSH tunnel on a remote server
[19:40] <Ace2016> but i'm pretty sure the admins would share the bandwidth out and cap users
[19:40] <xrhstaraspatra> hi from greece
[19:41] <Ace2016> have you considered that maybe they don't want people on irc?
[19:41] <goldins> Ace2016: oh they definitely don't want people on IRC
[19:41] <xrhstaraspatra> can i ask a question about overlays and flickering on 3d games/programs only when compiz is activated? - with graphic card ati radeon hd2400
[19:42] <Ace2016> see in that case i suggest you don't go around telling everyone, maybe just put up with it
[19:42]  * cwillu scoffs at the notion of telling me I can browse the internet, but I can't connect to irc
[19:42] <nextstep> e_r_c_e:  did you find any way of fixing yours ?
[19:42] <cwillu> such nonsense belies a fundamental misunderstand of what the internet is :p
[19:43] <cwillu> nextstep, I think he just did a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[19:43]  * cwillu puts e_r_c_e on his ignore list
[19:43] <Ace2016> cwillu: well i think browsing has become linked with web pages, so when people mean browse the internet they mean web pages
[19:44] <sielnt_> I'm completely missing my screen configure tool in administration, did hardy get rid of that gtk app?
[19:44] <goldins> We're also blocked from a whole list of sites
[19:44] <cwillu> Ace2016, yes, but what if you browsed to a page that implemented an irc client via http redirects?
[19:44] <nextstep> sadly i already did that .. without the -phigh switch .. what does that do ?
[19:44] <K|> makes you anwer less
[19:44] <cwillu> Ace2016, "The internet treats censorship as damage, and routes around it"
[19:44] <goldins> cwillu: or a java irc client
[19:44] <cwillu> goldins, I didn't want to beg the question :p
[19:44] <cwillu> no java, no flash, no javascript, just a form and a meta refresh :p
[19:44] <anteaya> will nodebox work on hardy?
[19:45] <cwillu> nextstep, just makes it not bug you for the settings
[19:45] <cwillu> nextstep, you restarted X after?
[19:45] <nextstep> yes
[19:45] <hischild> cwillu, you know that i actually use that :P i tunnel traffic through my home pc with ssh, so i can avoid the school censorships :P
[19:45] <nextstep> nothing changed
[19:45] <nextstep> in face now that i think about it .. the reconfigure didnt ask me for any video settings either .. just kb settings
[19:45] <nextstep> *fact
[19:46] <cwillu> hischild, I socks proxy through my server in the states so I can still get my pandora fix internationally :p
[19:46] <hischild> for hardy, it doesn't ask you for video settings.
[19:46] <xrhstaraspatra> i'm sorry asking you again, but i have  overlays and flickering on 3d games/programs only when compiz is activated? - with graphic card ati radeon hd2400
[19:46] <nextstep> kk
[19:46] <hischild> cwillu, sounds nice though i have no idea what it all means :P i'm assuming some sort of avoiding of limitations
[19:46] <cwillu> hischild, it's the -D option to ssh :p
[19:46] <hischild> cwillu, riiiight
[19:47] <hischild> cwillu, mind explaining the difference with normal tunneling?
[19:47] <goldins> ssh -D [port number] [remote server]
[19:47] <goldins> then, configure your local programs to use the proxy server sitting on localhost:[port number]
[19:47] <cwillu> hischild, it's a socks proxy, no static routing required, I just tell firefox to use it as the proxy
[19:47] <hischild> goldins, i know how to use proxying using ssh
[19:47] <nextstep> cwillu:  well that made some progress in the wrong direction .. now i get Cannot display this mode on my monitor ...lol
[19:47] <hischild> cwillu, i see
[19:48] <cwillu> nextstep, ctrl+alt+[-]?
[19:48] <muszek_> hi... I (muszek) have created a repo.  another user on the same machine (tomekg) made a checkout and bind'ed his repo to mine.  Now when he tries to commit, he gets a "permission denied" error.  I figure it's about "regular unix file permissions"... how should I handle this?
[19:48] <hischild> cwillu, i just run firefox at home and route that
[19:48] <cwillu> hischild, gah
[19:48] <cwillu> why would you pipe graphic data remotely?
[19:49] <hischild> cwillu, because we can't set proxy's at school for programs. Funny thing is that it runs so smooth (yes it does) that you don't notice a difference
[19:49] <cwillu> html+css+images is orders of magnitude smaller than the screen data required to display firefox remotely :)
[19:49] <nextstep> cwillu:  just a mess of graphical artifacts all over the screen now
[19:49] <h3sp4wn_> Why not just use NX or freenx
[19:49] <xrhstaraspatra> i'm sorry asking you again, but i have  overlays and flickering on 3d games/programs only when compiz is activated? - with graphic card ati radeon hd2400 , help?
[19:49] <cwillu> h3sp4wn_, ssh works out of the box, and integrates into the existing window manager
[19:49] <DanaG> Anybody else just have gnome session break?
[19:49] <hischild> because i'm lazy :P
[19:49] <h3sp4wn_> cwillu: So does NX
[19:49] <DanaG> I can't log into gnome anymore.
[19:50] <cwillu> freenx, on the other hand, is just annoying, isn't installed by default
[19:50] <nextstep> DanaG :  welcome to the party
[19:50] <DanaG> Should I just downgrade gnome-session?
[19:50] <h3sp4wn_> cwillu: Other than the default part but defaults are crappy anyway
[19:50] <nextstep> you can login, but you get no screen after .. right ?
[19:50] <hischild> DanaG, nextstep, assuming it's gnome specific, would i be safe when using fluxbox and updating?
[19:50] <cwillu> h3sp4wn_, they don't force you to use a window anymore?
[19:51] <h3sp4wn_> cwillu: Nah - I am using the one from nomachine.com (non free) its like citrix
[19:51] <h3sp4wn_> You can load a desktop or an app
[19:51] <cwillu> h3sp4wn_, either way, there's much to be said for not requiring additional installed software, especially when the point of interest was a machine that he presumably doesn't have admin access to :p
[19:51] <hischild> school machine yes :
[19:51] <hischild> :(
[19:52] <nextstep> DanaG .. you want to try to downgrade and see if it fixes you ?
[19:52] <DanaG> Odd: I seem to have to dpkg --configure -a
[19:53] <nextstep> been there done that ... still broken for me sadly
[19:53] <DanaG> gnome-system-monitor, gconf-editor, gnome-media-common, libgnome-desktop, and a whole bunch of other things.
[19:53] <nextstep> i didnt even pay attention to what updates I applied today .. was there a gnome one in there ?
[19:53] <DanaG> I'll try downgrading.
[19:54] <DanaG> Also, when I was installing the updates, HAL randomly stopped and didn
[19:54] <DanaG> didn't restart.
[19:55] <DanaG> 2.22-0ubuntu2 works.
[19:55] <DanaG> gnome-session, that is.
[19:55] <nextstep> kk ... how do i force downgrade ?
[19:55] <sami88> An Error occurred: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.24-15-generic_2.6.24-15.27_i386.deb: unable to make backup link of `./lib/modules/2.6.24-15-generic/kernel/drivers/net/irda/actisys-sir.ko' before installing new version
[19:55] <sami88> What on earth do I do?!
[19:56] <DanaG> sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-session_2.22.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[19:56] <DanaG> Installs that specific version.
[19:56] <nextstep> thanks
[19:56] <DanaG> Why does hpijs never ever ever ever ever show changelogs?
[19:57] <DanaG> ever.
[19:57] <x0x> hey guys check out http://www.dnswatch.info/dns/dnslookup?la=en&host=www.hotircchat.com&type=A&submit=Resolve
[19:57] <DanaG> spam?
[19:57] <x0x> why i getting this error :s
[19:57] <sami88> Guys I desperately need your help
[19:58] <nextstep> kk DanaG .. i am rebooting now
[19:58] <x0x> i have added dns
[19:58] <DanaG> don't reboot
[19:58] <DanaG> just kill X.
[19:58] <x0x> DanaG that look likes like spam?
[19:58] <sami88> sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/gnome-session_2.22.1-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[19:58] <x0x> DanaG that look like spam?
[19:58] <nextstep> danag:  cant even get into X at all after doing the reconfigure xserver-xorg
[19:58] <StucKman> where can I get the ubuntu installer's kernel config?
[19:58] <DanaG> Who keeps telling people to dpkg-reconfigure xorg?
[19:59] <DanaG> It's not a be-all end-all solution to everything.
[19:59] <nextstep> it broke me even more it seems
[19:59] <nextstep> X is completely dead now
[19:59] <karmelek> anybody experienced problems with printing on 8.04?
[19:59] <DanaG> There should be a backup xorg.conf somewhere.
[19:59] <x0x> who can help me with dns?
[19:59] <StucKman> x0x: here
[19:59] <nextstep> well 1 monitor can view X .. the other is out of bounds for the graphics
[19:59] <nextstep> and its the primary
[20:00] <sami88> error processing linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24-15-generic (--configure): dependency problems - leaving uncofigured
[20:00] <x0x> StucKman can i pm you?
[20:00] <DanaG> Odd: I select a theme in gnome-appearance-properties, I get "Custom" instead.
[20:00] <DanaG> It doesn't apply the metacity theme.
[20:01] <sami88> Save me jebus!
[20:01] <nextstep> uugh .. DanaG got any more ideas on this ... cant even start X now
[20:02] <dotpavan> DanaG, it is usually advised to make backup copies of xorg conf, menu.lst, sources.list before making changes
[20:02] <DanaG> Yup.
[20:02] <DanaG> I have a quite tweaked xorg.conf; boy, was I surprised when it was randomly destroyed and replaced with one using vmmouse.
[20:03] <DanaG> That happened after one xorg update -- with no notice or confirmation.
[20:03] <xx0xx> StucKman you there?
[20:03] <sami88> I can't update!
[20:03] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[20:03] <h3sp4wn_> I have never known it not make a backup
[20:03] <DanaG> But I was randomly clicking things on accident because ALL my touchpad settings were discarded.
[20:03] <sami88> An Error occurred: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.24-15-generic_2.6.24-15.27_i386.deb: unable to make backup link of `./lib/modules/2.6.24-15-generic/kernel/drivers/net/irda/actisys-sir.ko' before installing new version
[20:04] <sami88> No one will help?
[20:05] <nextstep> Can anyone help with this....  after a dpkg reconfigure of xorg file I can no long view X because it is out of bounds for my monitor.  Manually changing the xorg.conf file to include a resolution it supports does nothing either.
[20:06] <karmelek> My hp 840c prints very strange -
[20:06] <karmelek> it stops printing after some lines and continue on the next sheet of paper
[20:07] <karmelek> how to fix it?
[20:07] <cwillu> nextstep, investigate xrandr
[20:07] <cwillu> (terminal app)
[20:08] <nextstep> i had a very custom xorg.conf file that was working with my multimonitor setup ... so i hate to think everything is broken because of this update
[20:08] <nextstep> putting it back in as the default xorg.conf file does the same thing
[20:09] <nextstep> could this be an nvidia driver issue ?
[20:10] <redwhitewaldo> is there a terminal command to import pics from digital camera to computer?
[20:10] <nextstep> ohh wait .. i just got 1 of my 3 screens back in x
[20:11] <nextstep> lmfao .. except i have no network in X .. only in shell
[20:12] <nextstep> does envy work in hardy ?
[20:12] <jbroome> nextstep: yeah
[20:12] <nextstep> kk
[20:16] <nextstep> brb
[20:16] <kane77> where did the share settings go in hardy??
[20:16] <kane77> I mean samba of course...
[20:17] <Pirate_Hunter> has there been a fix for the screen resolution problem in hardy if not can anyone tell me where the xorg file is located?
[20:18] <Pirate_Hunter> Am i the only one who believes this beta release is outrageous but yeah can someone answer my question
[20:18] <insomninja> Pirate_Hunter, the xorg.conf is located in /etc/X11 remember to make a backup before editing it
[20:18] <StucKman> Pirate_Hunter: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:18] <sourcemaker> I have instaled virtualbox but by windows 2000 server does not start... there is no error message
[20:19] <Pirate_Hunter> insomninja: yeah will do so
[20:19] <Pirate_Hunter> insomninja, StucKman: thanx
[20:22] <Pirate_Hunter> insomninja, StucKman: just incase has there been a fix for screen resolution in hardy and if i mess up xorg file how can i use the backup i.e. what is the command again?
[20:22] <StucKman> Pirate_Hunter: just nuke the new broken config and copy/move the old one over
[20:24] <insomninja> Pirate_Hunter, in the terminal (you might need to log in first): sudo cp the_backup_file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:24] <K|> why should it be outrageous?
[20:24] <Pirate_Hunter> StucKman: I would but i did not know beta was this messed up so i havent got a copy of my old config file from gutsy :(
[20:25] <DanaG> Look in /etc/X11 -- you may be able to find a backup.
[20:25] <Pirate_Hunter> StucKman: this beta release is making me cross :/
[20:25] <Pirate_Hunter> insomninja: thanx will write that down
[20:25] <DanaG> Input-hotplug is annoying -- it means you can no longer configure evdev through xorg.conf.
[20:25] <MrKeuner> what is the latest iso I can download? is it the beta published a while back?
[20:26] <jbroome> !daily | MrKeuner
[20:26] <ubotu> MrKeuner: Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[20:26] <awen_> if anybody is using kubuntu hardy and have time for it... please test kde-guidance-powermanager from https://launchpad.net/~andreas-wenning/+archive , it has added support for showing power consumption when on battery; please tell if it works for you (or not)
[20:26] <MrKeuner> jbroome: thanks
[20:26] <racquad> Hello everybody! Does anyone know where can I change the default gnome calculator? I have  a MS natural keyboard with a shortcut to the calculator but I don't like the gnome's default one.
[20:27] <MrKeuner> racquad: check update-alternatives, though not sure
[20:28] <MrKeuner> racquad: what does an "MS natural keyboard" have that others don't in terms of calculator thingy?
[20:29] <mheath> racquad: To make sure I understand you correctly....
[20:29] <racquad> Nothing, it's just that I like that keyboard and I would like to use my prefered calculator program
[20:29] <mheath> Your button correctly opens the Gnome Calculuator, and you just want to change what calculator app its opening?
[20:29] <MrKeuner> racquad: ah Ok but how do you run the default calc?
[20:30] <MrKeuner> hmm I see
[20:30] <MrKeuner> update-alternatives might work
[20:30] <racquad> MrKeuner: I just press the "Calculator" button on my keyboard. That's the point.
[20:30] <K|> awen_: how do i start it?
[20:31] <MrKeuner> racquad: yep I would try update-alternatives
[20:31] <racquad> At keyboard preferencer window, I can only set which is the button that starts the calculator program, not which calculator program
[20:31] <MrKeuner> racquad: that's correct
[20:32] <awen_> K|: you should have a battery icon in your lower left corner ... close that one, and start it again with the command guidance-power-manager
[20:32] <racquad> MrKeuner: at /etc/alternatives I don't see any symlink to calculator. So I don't think that update-alternatives should apply
[20:32] <MrKeuner> racquad: then, sorry I have no further idea
[20:33] <mheath> racquad: hold on a second, I'm poking through gconf, seeing if I can find anything relevent
[20:33] <racquad> mheath: thanks
[20:34] <K|> awen_: it tells me 0:00 remaining
[20:34] <K|> with 97% battery
[20:34] <MrKeuner> can I log vino connections(any attempts) in 8.04.24?
[20:34] <K|> ah, now it updated to 3:05 remaining
[20:35] <mheath> racquad: I don't see anything right off. A temporary hack/solution would be to mv /usr/bin/gcalctool /usr/bin/gcalctool.old, and then symlink /usr/bin/gcalctool to your new app.
[20:35] <K|> and now it tells me the time to charge
[20:35] <awen_> K|: it should show the current power-consumption? eg. 25 W
[20:36] <racquad> mheath: Just what I thought. It works, but at the next system update, there's the risk to loose this config :)
[20:36] <awen_> K|: but only when you are running on battery
[20:36] <kane77> so how do I configure shares using samba? I have been able to share a folder in nautilus by right clicking and configuring share options, I see this folder BUT where do I specify password to connect??
[20:36] <mheath> racquad: one second
[20:37] <K|> awen_: shows me "Discharging (97%) - W"
[20:38] <ader10> The near-instant tooltips are extremely annoying/intrusive to me. Is there a way to delay or disable them?
[20:39] <awen_> K|: hmm ... can I ask you to run "lshal | grep battery" and put in a pastebin? :)
[20:40] <ader10> The tooltips are especially annoying in pidgin, azureus, and the icons on my toolbars
[20:40] <insomninja> is there a console command to change key map, from Swedish dvorak to English dvorak and back, I can't use gnome-keyboard-properties as I'm not currently running gnome
[20:41] <K|> awen_: http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/892172
[20:41] <insomninja> is loadkeys perhaps what I want?
[20:41] <DanaG> setxkbmap
[20:41] <DanaG> try 'man' about it.
[20:42] <insomninja> DanaG, thanks
[20:42] <awen_> K|: thanks ... seems your battery does not support it, I'll poke you in a bit to have you test it again and see, that the unneeded W isn't there... thanks for the help so far :)
[20:43] <dudicus> quick question about building with deps. in my control file (I am rebuilding mysql server) I have variables like mysql-common (>= ${source:Version}), ${shlibs:Depends} these end up being NULL ones debuild finally gets to that point. Why are these variables null?
[20:43] <K|> awen_: You're welcome
[20:44] <dudicus> could it possibly be that I am running debuild -d  ?
[20:45] <xx0xx> i am getting error with bind9. NDC command failed : rndc: connect failed: connection refused
[20:46] <sarixe> hi, where can i find the changelog for the newest amarok update?
[20:46] <awen_> K|: I've uploaded a new version ... you should be able to test it in around 20 minutes
[20:46] <K|> will do
[20:47] <awen_> K|: thanks a lot
[20:47] <miip_> is anyone using virt-manager to remotecontrol kvm over ssh on another machine successfully?
[20:47] <jbroome> miip_: i haven't poked @ kvm much, but it's on my list
[20:48] <miip_> on localhost virt-manager works great, but i had some trouble with a remote machine
[20:49] <goldins> cwillu: so the CD works...
[20:49] <goldins> so does the -generic kernel
[20:49] <goldins> which is what I'm using now
[20:49] <ubuntu> Right, I have a current install of Ubuntu Hardy on my 300gig hard drive. I now want to install Kubuntu on my machine while keeping Ubuntu - so i can dual boot. Im on the Kubuntu live cd, how do i do this?
[20:50] <goldins> ubuntu: Why?
[20:50] <nextstep> Well I am back and still cant get anything to happen in X .. login is fine but past that is nothing.  Any ideas ?
[20:51] <ubuntu> Goldins: So I can change between the two operating systems, because im thinking of changing from gnome to KDE, but I don't want to complely change
[20:51] <goldins> nextstep: did you do something to it?
[20:51] <goldins> ubuntu: I'm pretty sure you can install the kde packages on ubuntu, and decide at login which to use.
[20:51] <ader10> The near-instant tooltips are extremely annoying/intrusive to me. Is there a way to delay or disable them? The tooltips are especially annoying in pidgin, azureus, and the icons on my toolbars.
[20:51] <awen_> ubuntu: just install the package "kubuntu-desktop"
[20:51] <goldins> ubuntu: the only difference would be the login manager
[20:52] <ubuntu> will it get all the repos and stuff for kubuntu?
[20:52] <goldins> which, if you really, REALLY, wanted to, you could change as well
[20:52] <ubuntu> or will I do that myself?
[20:52] <goldins> There are separate repos?
[20:52] <ubuntu> I thought there were, maybe not ;)
[20:52] <miip> no
[20:52] <miip> its all the same
[20:53] <nextstep> goldins: just did the updates today and that broke everything and someone here told me to reconfigure xorg which broke things even more
[20:53] <h3sp4wn_> There is one repo with some experimental kde4 stuff
[20:53] <ubuntu> right so if I install kubuntu-desktop on my ubuntu system I can choose what enviroment to use on login?
[20:53] <goldins> nextstep: that's awesome.
[20:53] <nextstep> I can at least get into X now, but i have to wait for the 5 min failover time
[20:53] <miip> ubuntu: yes
[20:53] <ubuntu> sweet
[20:53] <ubuntu> I love you guys
[20:53] <goldins> nextstep: move your xorg.conf
[20:53] <ubuntu> ttyl
[20:54] <goldins> nextstep, somewhere like xorg.conf.bak
[20:54] <nextstep> yeah .. tried that already as well as replacing it with my original one .. i dont think that is the issue.
[20:54] <nextstep> problem seems to be that gnome will not load properly
[20:54] <goldins> nextstep: ah. Well.
[20:54] <goldins> try installing another window manager and see if that's the problem
[20:54] <goldins> I use ion
[20:54] <goldins> installing it will add it to the sessions list
[20:55] <nextstep> humm .. ok let me just install kde desktop then and see what explodes
[20:55] <goldins> whoa
[20:55] <goldins> KDE is huge
[20:55] <goldins> are you sure you want that?
[20:55] <goldins> install something puny
[20:55] <nextstep> suggestions ?
[20:56] <goldins> like fvwm or ion
[20:56] <goldins> brb
[20:56] <nextstep> ion3 i assume ?
[20:58] <nextstep> yeah .. its gnome .. ion loads perfectly fine
[20:58] <billisnice> beta stinks
[20:58] <billisnice> lol
[20:58] <billisnice> does the ubuntu team update the download CD daily?
[20:59] <nextstep> anyone know what to do in this situation?  should i just reinstall all the gnome stuff ?
[21:01] <DanaG> Version 2.22.1-0ubuntu3:    * ensure that metacity is the default window manager after a dapper->hardy upgrade
[21:01] <DanaG> I think that gnome-session update is what broke gnome.
[21:01] <DanaG> I rolled that one package back, and it fixed it.
[21:01] <DanaG> (I also had to first run dpkg --configure -a )
[21:02] <DanaG> I also see an nvidia-glx-new update, but I haven't installed it.
[21:02] <Prefix> Is there a way i can just install all the packages on a Kubuntu CD?
[21:02] <swuboo> Has anyone else been having a problem with Firefox fonts looking godawful?
[21:03] <ader10> The near-instant tooltips are extremely annoying/intrusive to me. Is there a way to delay or disable them? The tooltips are especially annoying in pidgin, azureus, and the icons on my toolbars.
[21:03] <nextstep> dana:  doesnt seem that rolling back to that version did anything for me
[21:03] <awen_> K|: the new version is ready in my PPA
[21:04] <nextstep> let me force install it again and see what happens