[00:12] <keithzg[m]> Okay, damn, I really need to figure out how to fix rendering on this 18.04 machine, this is crazy, I can visibly see things redrawing as I move windows, open Yakuake, open the launcher, etc etc.
[00:14] <keithzg[m]> I see Xorg using up tons of CPU, so perhaps for some reason 2D rendering is being offloaded to the CPU rather than the GPU? I can't see how that would have happened though, I have xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu installed and it was all working fine at least until relatively recently.
[00:24] <emma> does anyone know any linux software that would let you annotate whatever window you are in, whatever app you are using, like write and draw on the screen. Like the idea of Microsoft Ink?
[00:34] <keithzg[m]> Hmm, I was wondering if some recent power failures had crippled the GPU, but nope, it works fine if I reboot into the neglected Windows 10 install I have on a cheap old SSD in that box. Hmmm. In this world without Xorg config files, what could even be setting things wrong?
[02:45] <ccb0x45> hey, I am trying to hook up my laptop to my external monitor on KDE, it works under gnome and windows, but in KDE it keeps showing up on the settings for like 2 seconds, then going away, then showing up again...
[02:46] <ccb0x45> keeps popping in on the UI, staying for a few seconds, and going away, rinse and repeat
[08:56] <keithzg[m]> Well the problem with this 18.04 system definitely seems to be that Xorg is no longer loading the amdgpu driver, but for the life of me I can't figure out why, particularly when it *was* working before and I swear I didn't change anything relevant. Hmmm.
[09:18] <keithzg[m]> Weiiiiird, the only seemingly relevant difference between the two desktops I have with the same GPUs in them that I hadn't yet checked was that the system mysteriously choosing not to load the amdgpu driver had "nomodeset" as a kernel option, which is an ancient config option from many years ago . . . but that seems to have fixed it? Something else must be going on, but for now I'm just going to be happy it's working
[09:18] <keithzg[m]> again, I guess?
[11:27] <mas886> Hey there, I have been suffering a problem when using Kubuntu
[11:27] <mas886> I use it on a 4GB RAM computer, and I noticed it starts swapping easily
[11:28] <mas886> And even if I start closing running apps to lower RAM usage, SWAP memory keeps being used, sometimes having 1GB on swap, and 0,7gm on current RAM usage
[11:29] <mas886> Is this some kind of known issue o is there any way of preventing it?
[13:29] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
 If I want to be able to backup/restore/update my iPhone via Kubuntu, is my best bet to run iTunes via Wine, or is there a better solution?
[14:48] <BluesKaj>  shanepagne, is kdeconnect available on your Iphone?
 I honestly have no idea. I've never plugged it in, haha
[14:49] <BluesKaj> it's an android app used to connect your smartphone to your pc on kubuntu, it's installed on kubuntu by default
[14:50] <BluesKaj> you can run it over wifi
 I was unaware it works with iPhones
[15:05] <BluesKaj> dunnomuch about Iphones, not an apple fan ;-0
 Plugged it in and the OS froze
[15:06] <BluesKaj> you shouldn't need kdeconnect if you plug your Iphone into your computer, afaik
[15:07] <BluesKaj> with a usb connection
[15:31] <BluesKaj> Velizar Peshev try dd
[15:31] <BluesKaj> !dd
[15:32] <BluesKaj> oops
[15:33] <BluesKaj> Velizar Peshev  https://opensource.com/article/18/7/how-use-dd-linux
[15:36] <jseiters> I use Etcher from etcher.io. I don't think it can do Windows 10 ISO but it does Linux ISOs.
[16:05] <BluesKaj> Velizar Peshev, check your downloads folder in dolphin and look for a W10 iso, perhaps opera doesn't show it's downloads, just a guess
[16:06] <BluesKaj> or etcher rather not W10
[16:06]  * BluesKaj has more coffee to wake up :-)
[16:09] <dnsuai> I'm on Kubuntu 18.10 and I've encountered this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=396269
[16:10] <dnsuai> It says it has been fixed in KDE Plasma 5.14. Will this be available as an update to kubuntu?
[16:10] <dnsuai> Or should I manually add the plasma PPA?
[16:12] <dnsuai> https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Packages#Kubuntu says I should'nt update as it won't guarantee fixing a broken system. Does that mean I should only use 5.13 with Kubuntu until 19.04?
[16:20] <jseiters> IrcsomeBot: Did you go to the website to download? It is now balena.io/etcher by the way.
[16:23] <nullray> Hey guys, I just moved to KDE for the first time and I must say it's awesome. I have a problem though.. I have my touchpad set to reverse scroll on the vertical axis (for natural scrolling) but it always resets after I plug in a mouse. Do you guys know how I can fix this? I'm using Kubuntu 18.10
[16:24] <dnsuai> nullray: join the line buddy https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=396269
[16:24] <dnsuai> it has been fixed in 5.14
[16:24] <dnsuai> plasma
[16:24] <dnsuai> I'm updating right now
[16:24] <dnsuai> will let you know
[16:25] <dnsuai> not that exact same issue I linked but its related. I'm facing it too
[16:26] <nullray> I was hoping it wasn't a serious bug but at least it's fixed. I will try to update my kde version, thx
[16:26] <dnsuai> this one: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=395722
[16:48] <ccb0x45> hey, I am trying to diagnose why my external monitor on my laptop doesn't connect, when I plug it in it keeps connecting and reconnecting constantly, it works on windows and gnome, here is a log of kscreen constantly reconnecting when it gets plugged in: https://bit.ly/2DfZMjB
[17:13] <BluesKaj> ccb0x45, perhaps changing the tearing prevention options from auto to another option in system-settings>display and monitor>compositor
[17:13] <ccb0x45> let me look for that
[17:14] <ccb0x45> @BluesKaj I don't see those options...?
[17:14] <ccb0x45> oh wait under compositor
[17:14] <ccb0x45> let me try
[17:15] <BluesKaj> also check your resolution output when connected to the externel monitor
[17:15] <ccb0x45> what do you mean? I can never connect
[17:15] <ccb0x45> it shows up for a second with no available resolutions
[17:15] <ccb0x45> then goes away, then comes back, then goes away
[17:16] <BluesKaj> try changing it before connecting
[17:16] <ccb0x45> changing it for the unconnectd monitor?
[17:16] <ccb0x45> its a laptop connected to an external display, do you mean changing the laptop resolution?
[17:16] <BluesKaj> yes
[17:17] <BluesKaj> ditt
[17:17] <BluesKaj> ditto
[17:17] <ccb0x45> how do I change it for the unconnected monitor?
[17:19] <BluesKaj> change it in the laptop first
[17:20] <BluesKaj> so it displays a resolution the monitor can handle
[17:21] <ccb0x45> ok let me try that
[17:21] <ccb0x45> the tearing setting didn't change anything
[17:22] <BluesKaj> ok
[17:30] <ccb0x45> @BlueKaj, so I think you might be on the right track...
[17:30] <ccb0x45> cause when I switch my laptop to 1920x1080 and plugged it in again it behaved differently
[17:30] <ccb0x45> first the screen went off when I plugged it in, but the monitor didn't come on
[17:31] <ccb0x45> then I tried again and the laptop kept switching it's resolutions over and over again
[17:31] <ccb0x45> from the native resolution to the 1920x1080 res
[17:31] <ccb0x45> @BluesKaj I meant
[17:31] <ccb0x45> is there a way I can force it to just use a specific resolution for the external monitor
[17:31] <ccb0x45> and not try to have it figure out what to use?
[17:33] <ccb0x45> I went my ~/.local/share/kscreen and found the file that references that monitor, and tried to put a "mode" object with the correct height and width and refresh and it immediately got overwritten when I saved
[17:34] <BluesKaj> what about your laptop's resolution options,. how high can it be set?
[17:37] <ccb0x45> @BluesKaj, 4k but I think the issue is they are two different aspect ratios
[17:37] <ccb0x45> the monitor is 3440x1440
[17:37] <ccb0x45> I want 4k on the laptop, 1440p on the monitor
[17:38] <ccb0x45> seems like its trying to apply 4k to the monitor,and failing
[17:39] <BluesKaj> are you sure the monitor is capable of 4K
[17:39] <ccb0x45> nope, it is not capable of 4k
[17:39] <ccb0x45> its capable of 1440p
[17:40] <ccb0x45> the laptop is capable of 4k
[17:40] <ccb0x45> wish it wasn't trying to be so smart about the resolutions and would just let me set them
[17:40] <BluesKaj> then go with 1920x1080p
[17:40] <ccb0x45> I did
[17:41] <ccb0x45> it didn't work
[17:41] <ccb0x45> when I did 1920x1080 kde kept trying to switch my laptop resolution back to 4k over and over when I connect the monitor
[17:41] <BluesKaj> that's odd, which gpu and connection type do you have
[17:42] <ccb0x45> its TB3 to display port
[17:42] <ccb0x45> gpu is an AMD Vega M GL
[17:42] <ccb0x45> using the amdgpu driver
[17:43] <ccb0x45> is there any way to force the external monitor into a resolution when it connects
[17:43] <ccb0x45> instead of kde trying to determine it?
[17:45] <BluesKaj> ok TB3 doesn't connect well to a display port according what I'm reading
[17:45] <ccb0x45> I mean it works on the same system on gnome
[17:46] <BluesKaj> are you sure it's 1440 on gnome ?
[17:46] <ccb0x45> so theres no way to force a resolution on KDE, it has to go through its process of trying to figure it out?
[17:46] <ccb0x45> yes
[17:46] <ccb0x45> positive
[17:46] <BluesKaj> ok
[17:47] <ccb0x45> and windows too
[17:47] <BluesKaj> which kubuntu are you running?
[17:47] <ccb0x45> my base is 18.10
[17:47] <ccb0x45> and its the latest plasma
[17:47] <BluesKaj> right
[17:48] <ccb0x45> guessing its a no on able to set a specific resolution
[17:48] <ccb0x45> on the external monitor?
[17:56] <Alexfrench> you have vegam firmware and mesa-utils
[18:03] <ccb0x45> I just fixed it
[18:03] <ccb0x45> @AlexFrench whats vegam firmware?
[18:04] <BluesKaj> ccb0x45, ok, care to share howyou fixed it, would be good to know
[18:04] <ccb0x45> well what I was asking, if its possible to force a resolution on KDE
[18:04] <ccb0x45> when it would briefly connect and KDE did its dumb resolution dance
[18:05] <ccb0x45> I ran the xrandr terminal command to force it to 1920x1080p on the second display
[18:05] <ccb0x45> I just kept running it over and over, and finally at one point when it connected my command clicked
[18:05] <ccb0x45> and it forced the right mode
[18:05] <ccb0x45> then I was able to set it to 1440p, and kde seems to be remembering my settings now
[18:06] <ccb0x45> KDE is trying to be too smart about picking resolutions
[18:06] <ccb0x45> should have a fallback where if it doesn't detect a working resolution, leave the display connected and let you change it manually
[18:08] <ccb0x45> I didn't even realize it was a resolution thing initially so that helped me
[18:11] <ccb0x45> thanks guys
[18:12] <BluesKaj> ccb0x45, which xrandr command did you use ?
[19:30] <onion> Back in my day, we would keep our eyes open all day for a honey bee swarm. A swarm is when a nest of bees gets so large that part of the population leaves with a new queen to form a new colony.If you saw a swarm on a tree branch you could cut the branch and literally shake them off into a box so you could later have your own bee hive. But I always shook mine off into a crudley constructed wooden dildo and shove it up my ass.
[19:30] <onion> That's what that vibrator reminds me of, simpler times.
[20:19] <denza242> what
[20:19] <denza242> is upgrading from 18.04 LTS to 18.10 fairly harmless?
[20:20] <denza242> while i do like having a stable release i also kinda want newer plasma
[21:56] <juhuu4712> i have a problem with kontact/korganizer - my caldav calendars and carddav contacts are no more synching - how to debug that?
[21:57] <juhuu4712> i am at 18.10
[23:41] <murthy> When I press F1 key on a Qt function in qtcreator, the respective context menu is not showing, instead "No documentation available." Message is displayed.


[02:29] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Alan Pope: Happy Birthday Steam @ https://popey.com/blog/2023/09/happy-birthday-steam/
[02:29] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Jo Shields: Building a NAS @ https://apebox.org/wordpress/tech/1325
[02:29] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Faster AI application development with Canonical and NVIDIA AI Enterprise @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/ubuntu-kvm-supports-nvidia-ai-enterprise
[02:29] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Deploy fully configured VMs in minutes on Google Cloud, using gcloud CLI and cloud-init @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/deploy-fully-configured-vms-in-minutes-on-google-cloud-using-gcloud-cli-and-cloud-init
[13:44] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::omg!ubuntu:: LMDE 6 (Linux Mint Debian Edition) Beta is Available to Download @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/09/lmde-6-beta-available-to-download
[16:21] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::ubuntuonair:: Debconf LIVE Immutable operating systems/blendOS @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Km7kweSoRk
[18:31] <Eickmeyer> Looks like the Planet RSS feed isn't coming through here anymore, so... https://ubuntustudio.org/2023/09/a-message-from-the-project-lead/


[17:43] <akegalj> does anyone have experiance cloning microSD card for udoo board?
[17:43] <akegalj> after cloning my udoo board is in semi corupted state


[07:32] <dholbach> good morning
[07:38] <iulian> Morning dholbach.
[07:38] <dholbach> hi iulian
[10:36] <mfisch> how can I tell who sync'd a package?
[10:37] <smartboyhw> mfisch, look at the publishing history?
[10:39] <mfisch> I must be looking in the wrong place, it says sync'd by Ubuntu Archive auto-sync
[10:39] <mfisch> sponsored by the bot
[10:39] <mfisch> but I did that one
[10:39] <mfisch> pycode-browser
[10:45] <geser> mfisch: look at the entry for saucy-proposed on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pycode-browser/+publishinghistory (Copied from debian sid in Primary Archive for Debian GNU/Linux by Matthew Fischer)
[10:56] <mfisch> thanks geser
[11:01] <mlankhorst> can I get some feedback on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1208431 ?
[13:22] <mfisch> I'm in meetings all week, but I can look at your package some today
[13:23] <mfisch> mlankhorst: ^^
[13:23] <mlankhorst> ty
[13:30] <mfisch> mlankhorst: is this package in debian already?
[13:30] <mlankhorst> no they don't have autopkgtest, so it's useless there, also some requirements missing
[13:30] <mfisch> where did Uploaders and Original Maintainer come from?
[13:31] <mlankhorst> ugh oops, copy/paste :P
[13:31] <mlankhorst> those fields can be killed
[13:34] <smartboyhw> I don't think you should kill Original Maintainer...
[13:34] <smartboyhw> Uploaders should be killed....
[13:35] <mfisch> I dont think XSBC-Original-Maintainer makes sense in this case
[13:35] <mfisch> it's not a debian merge
[13:36] <mfisch> the copyright file will contain the upstream author
[13:36] <mfisch> mlankhorst: you need some different copyright stuff for debian/
[13:37] <mfisch> mlankhorst: apt-get source unyaffs (in saucy) to get an example
[13:42] <mlankhorst> oh I like MIT, do I need a separate license for debian/* ? :P
[13:42] <smartboyhw> mlankhorst, probably GPL:)
[13:42] <mlankhorst> no
[13:44] <mlankhorst> if I'm lucky I can get the packaging upstream, but then it has to be same license
[14:21] <mlankhorst> mfisch: I fixed the packaging now with the points you raised
[14:21] <mfisch> mlankhorst: I cannot get it to build atm
[14:21] <mlankhorst> needs xorg-gtest from saucy
[14:22] <mfisch> mlankhorst: so why isn't that a dep?
[14:22] <mfisch> mlankhorst: I'm curious if there are lintian issues
[14:22] <mlankhorst> I was waiting for upstream to cut a new xorg-gtest release
[14:23] <mlankhorst> there are 2 afaik, not much I can do about them :/
[14:23] <mlankhorst> W: xorg-integration-tests source: illegal-runtime-test-name lib.libX11
[14:23] <mlankhorst> W: xorg-integration-tests source: illegal-runtime-test-name lib.libXi
[14:26] <mlankhorst> oh woops, third one from empty newlines in debian/copyright, ah well fixed that one
[14:27] <mlankhorst> I filed debian bug 711844 about that one, btw
[14:31] <mfisch> mlankhorst: the . is also an issue right?
[14:31] <mlankhorst> I don't believe it is
[14:32] <mlankhorst> unless you don't have linux-image-3.* ;-)
[14:33] <mfisch> mlankhorst: "dots" sorry I missed that in the list
[14:35] <mfisch> mlankhorst: does the warning cause the test to be skipped?
[14:35] <mlankhorst> no if it did none of the tests would work
[14:36] <mfisch> mlankhorst: ok. well sounds like whats left is to add that gtest dep and wait for a new version to show up
[14:39] <mlankhorst> ok, if i require 0.7.1-0ubuntu1 should I depend on >= that version or is 0.7.1 enough?
[14:41] <mfisch> I'd rely on whatever one has the changes you need
[14:42] <mfisch> for Ubuntu specifically 0.7.1 and 0.7.1-0ubuntu1 would be the same
[14:42] <mfisch> if this was in Debian that may not be true
[14:42] <mlankhorst> shrug debian version wouldn't work, package is not ready for debian yet, guess it doesn't matter
[14:43] <mfisch> yeah
[14:43] <mfisch> if you plan on pushing it to debian, I think 0.7.1 makes sense
[14:49] <mlankhorst> available now
[14:49] <mlankhorst> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/146840908/xorg-integration-tests_0.0.1%2Bgit20130725%2Bbf7fc95-0ubuntu1%2Btry3_0.0.1%2Bgit20130725%2Bbf7fc95-0ubuntu1%2Btry4.diff.gz
[19:42] <jtaylor> zzzzZZZzz compiling 70k line c++ files takes forever on qemu ppc :(
[19:45] <jtaylor> I'd like to get the gnu parallel situation solved in ubuntu
[19:45] <jtaylor> someone familiar with the package?
[19:45] <jtaylor> it conflicts with moreutils parallels in debian now
[19:45] <jtaylor> I don't like that because the stuff in moreutils is useful
[19:45] <jtaylor> I was thinking about splitting moreutils into two packages, one without parallel that does not conflict with gnu parallel
[19:45] <jtaylor> thoughts?
[19:47] <jtaylor> hurray compile done after 16 minutes :D
[20:04] <ScottK> jtaylor: Fix it in Debian in my thought.
[20:05] <jtaylor> I'm not sure that will be easy
[20:05] <jtaylor> the history between parallel and moreutils is not so good
[20:05] <jtaylor> before I propose anything I'd like some input if its even a good idea
[20:06] <ScottK> I know just enough about it to think we don't want to deal with the diff.
[20:06] <jtaylor> the diff probably wouldn't be big
[20:07] <jtaylor> two extra packages
[20:14] <jtaylor> hm I guess I can file a bug and see what happens
[20:24] <jtaylor> X-Debbugs-CC can be put directly into the text header of a mail?
[20:24] <jtaylor> or is it some special header I can't add with e.g. thunderbird
[20:25] <jtaylor> found the section in the docs, should work


[03:18] <studiobot> Ed Brown was added by: Ed Brown
[18:12] <DirtyEar> Hi everyone. I am looking for some help
[18:13] <DirtyEar> I have the Behringer XR18 and it works really great but I cannot use the application on my UbuntuStudio
[18:14] <DirtyEar> I see in Ubuntu works without problem.
[18:15] <DirtyEar> I have UbuntuStudio 64 bits but the plugins I have run in 32 bits. Maybe this is the problem
[18:16] <DirtyEar> I tried to open the 32 bit and it does not open. And when I try with the 64 bit app, it shows me the app but it does not connect
[18:16] <DirtyEar> Any idea of how to resolve it?
[18:16] <DirtyEar> How to open the application "X-AIR-Edit"?
[18:18] <DirtyEar> I am thinking in install ubuntu, instead ubuntustudio. And try to install all the ubuntustudio apps and try, what do you thing?
[18:18] <DirtyEar> Excuse my english
[18:38] <M_aD> DirtyEar: didn't they help you a few days ago on the subject?
[18:46] <DirtyEar> Yes, but It does not work
[18:46] <DirtyEar> This morning reinstalled ubuntustudio but still not working
[18:49] <DirtyEar> I think is something about my ubuntustudio 64 bits with the 32 bit plugins running on my pc
[18:49] <DirtyEar> I will install the last ubuntu version
[18:50] <M_aD> sorry i can't be of any help, i'm no expert on that kind of stuff
[18:51] <DirtyEar> Do not worry about it. Just to be willing to help is grat
[18:52] <DirtyEar> great
[18:52] <DirtyEar> I really appreciate what you did on this chatroom
[18:53] <DirtyEar> M_aD: I will install ubuntu 19 and see what happens
[18:53] <DirtyEar> Thanks and have a good time
[18:53] <M_aD> ok, and thanks :)


[08:46] <duflu> Is there a trusty version of the "mini.so" anywhere? I need a trusty image to test that fits on a CD (not DVD)
[08:46] <duflu> "mini.iso"
[08:48] <duflu> Hmm, perhaps the saucy one will do (for running Mir)
[09:33] <xnox> duflu: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ ?
[09:35] <duflu> xnox: Thanks. I found https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD but really need trusty


[15:47] <wutzara> Hey all. I have a problem with the Ubuntu netbook remix. My desktop-switcher thinks iam in netbook mode. But iam in classic mode and there is no way to activate the netbook mode
[15:48] <wutzara> is there any file/configuration or something to tell the desktop switcher that iam in classic mode?
[15:56] <plars> wutzara: have you tried rebooting?
[15:56] <wutzara> yes
[15:56] <wutzara> he starts the desktop normaly but thinks its the netbook mode
[15:56] <wutzara> maximus is running (i dont know why)
[15:57] <plars> wutzara: there are some things that are useful for cleaning it up in https://bugs.launchpad.net/desktop-switcher/+bug/349519
[15:57] <plars> wutzara: you may have some luck with that
[16:00] <wutzara> ah thanks
[16:00] <wutzara> some corrupted settings in gconf
[19:56] <thekorn> hi, what's the correct package to report bugs in the dark theme used by current UNR karmic?
[20:08] <JamieBennett> thekorn: what is the issue?
[20:09] <thekorn> JamieBennett, When you click on the favicon in Firefox you get this security popup, its text is unreadable, it's gray on gray
[20:10] <thekorn> let me upload a screenshot somewhere
[20:10] <JamieBennett> I have UNR here, do you have the latest image (yesterdays?)
[20:11]  * JamieBennett goes to check firefox
[20:12] <thekorn> JamieBennett, it was rebuild yesterday? http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook-remix/daily-live/current/ is from 2009/09/30
[20:12] <JamieBennett> Damn, lots track of days, yes, 30th is the latest
[20:12] <JamieBennett> Confirmed you bug though
[20:12] <JamieBennett> (just booted my Mini 10v up and checked)
[20:14]  * JamieBennett goes to check the right package for this
[20:14] <thekorn> super, thanks
[20:15] <JamieBennett> possibly firefox-themes-ubuntu
[20:15] <JamieBennett> but trying to confirm now
[20:17] <thekorn> hmm, this package looks a bit outdated
[20:17] <JamieBennett> yes
[20:17] <JamieBennett> just saw that
[20:17] <JamieBennett> Happens on the desktop though as well so its not UNR specific
[20:18] <JamieBennett> I presume you have Dust as your theme?
[20:19] <thekorn> JamieBennett, I'm in a live session right now, and when I open the Appearence dialog "customn" is selected
[20:20] <thekorn> but it looks like dust
[20:22] <JamieBennett> thekorn: Its definitely Dust, just reset to Dust on my desktop, same thing.
[20:24] <thekorn> JamieBennett, ok, thanks, is this the correct package than? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shiki-colors-murrine
[20:25] <JamieBennett> no
[20:25] <JamieBennett> gnome-themes-ubuntu
[20:25] <thekorn> ah, ok
[20:25] <JamieBennett> try dpkg -S Dust to see the package it belongs to
[20:32] <thekorn> JamieBennett, where should I report this bug http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/dD86ps8UdDecw7Huk8nEqw?feat=directlink  (description of items in app chooser can be cut of and out of the view)
[20:33]  * JamieBennett looks
[20:34] <JamieBennett> There is a bug for that already
[20:34]  * JamieBennett tries to find it
[20:37] <JamieBennett> thekorn: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netbook-launcher/+bug/437365
[20:37] <thekorn> JamieBennett, ok, thanks
[20:38] <thekorn> UNR is looking great
[20:38] <JamieBennett> thkorn: np
[20:38] <JamieBennett> We hope so :)
[20:38] <JamieBennett> Still a couple of little bugs
[20:38] <thekorn> I think you just got a new user ;)
[20:39] <JamieBennett> :D
[20:43] <JamieBennett> thekorn: take a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-themes-ubuntu/+bug/335496
[20:45] <thekorn> JamieBennett, thanks, so need to file another one
[20:45] <JamieBennett> thekorn: no need it seems, the last comment covers your case (and mine).
[20:46] <JamieBennett> ok last comment but one
[20:46] <thekorn> jup, just read it
[21:14] <thekorn> JamieBennett, can I bother you with another question? where should I report bugs which seem specific to the UNR UI? e.g the gnome-language-selector dialog is totally distorted for me in UNR
[21:14] <thekorn> but not is looking fine in a ubuntu live session
[21:15]  * JamieBennett checks
[21:15] <JamieBennett> also no problem, thats what we are here for :)
[21:17] <thekorn> this is how this dialog is looking for me: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/L6Ss8I18nhPSyZ1tmHEQYg?feat=directlink
[21:22] <JamieBennett> mmm, just tried it, apt-getting open office stuff for me at the moment :(
[21:23] <JamieBennett> thekorn: yep UI is still borked
[21:24] <JamieBennett> You can file it against https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/netbook-remix and we can sort it out from there
[21:24] <thekorn> JamieBennett, hmm, I can also confirm this when I maximize this dialog in ubuntu
[21:25] <thekorn> so maybe not UNR specific, but UNR is affected by this
[21:25] <JamieBennett> thekorn: good catch
[21:25] <thekorn> workaround for this might be to just not maximuize this dialog
[21:25] <thekorn> like other config dialogs
[21:25] <thekorn> not sure how UNR handles this
[21:29] <JamieBennett> We have a blacklist of apps that don't maximize but maximizing this on the desktop borks it too so its a general problem. Definitely with gnome-language-selection but just looking to see what package that is in.
[21:32] <JamieBennett> looks like https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector don't forget to mention desktop and UNR performance and attach the screenshot.
[21:41] <thekorn> hmm, weird, ubuntu-bug language-selector  is not working (not a genuine ubuntu package), but that's not our problem here ;9
[21:43] <lool> thekorn: Odd
[21:46] <thekorn> ok filed as bug 440897
[21:46] <lool> thekorn: Oh we have a bug about that
[21:47] <lool> bug #439859
[21:47] <thekorn> oh, than I guess I failed badly searching for it
[21:47] <thekorn> believe me, I tried very hard ;)
[21:47] <lool> thekorn: can you xprop |grep CLASS in a terminal and click on the langsel window?
[21:47] <lool> thekorn: it's hard
[21:48] <thekorn> I still believe it is a bug in language-selector, they should either not allow maximizing their window or fix the UI
[21:51] <thekorn> lool, how can I do it in UNR? it' impossible to show two windows at the same time, and ALT+TAB is not working when running xprop
[21:52] <lool> thekorn: There's an easy way, but dont worry I'll do it
[21:52] <thekorn> super, thanks
[21:53] <lool> thekorn: Let's keep your bug, I agree
[21:53]  * thekorn wonders what this 'easy way' is ;)
[21:54] <lool> thekorn: sleep 10 && xprop ...
[21:54] <thekorn> ok, too obvious ...
[21:55] <lool> thekorn: Would you mind testing https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-netbook-remix-default-settings/0.6.4 binaries when they comes up?
[21:57] <thekorn> lool, sure, no problem, will check this page a few time over the next few days, feel free to ping me if you need a tester


[09:47] <_thumper_> Every now and then I seem to be loosing connection
[09:48] <_thumper_> so I appologise in advance if I seem to disappear
[09:48] <ddaa> ack
[10:00] <ddaa> lifeless: ping
[10:00] <ddaa> jamesh: ping
[10:00] <ddaa> poolie: ping
[10:00] <ddaa> SteveA: ping
[10:00] <ddaa> _thumper_: ping
[10:00] <ddaa> MEETING STARTS
[10:00] <lifeless> hi
[10:00] <_thumper_> hmm.. lag of 6s but lets go for it
[10:00] <ddaa> == Agenda ==
[10:00] <ddaa> Next meeting Monday 11 December, 09:00-09:45 UTC.
[10:00] <ddaa>  * roll call
[10:00] <ddaa>  * production status
[10:00] <ddaa>  * status reports
[10:00] <ddaa>  * motu code-review
[10:00] <ddaa>  * browsing branches
[10:00] <ddaa> == Roll call ==
[10:00] <ddaa>  * AndrewBennetts  flying to Melbourne for leave/OSDC (4th December).
[10:00] <_thumper_> here(ish)
[10:00] <jamesh> hi
[10:01] <ddaa> our senior management is late, but let's proceed
[10:01] <ddaa> == Production status ==
[10:01] <ddaa> New rollouts or production problems.
[10:01] <ddaa> Nothing of note from me.
[10:01] <_thumper_> nothing from me :)
[10:02] <jamesh> there hasn't been a rollout since last meeting, has there?
[10:02] <ddaa> I do not think so
[10:02] <ddaa> but there can be other events worth of mention there
[10:03] <ddaa> new fires
[10:03] <ddaa> rollout to no-webapp subsystems
[10:03] <ddaa> devpad stuff...
[10:03] <jamesh> nothing from me then :)
[10:03] <_thumper_> next
[10:03] <ddaa> == Status reports ==
[10:03] <ddaa>  * spiv: supermirror-smart-server.
[10:03] <ddaa>  * jamesh: spec-branches.
[10:03] <ddaa>  * ddaa: pyrex.
[10:03] <ddaa>  * poolie: bzr-lp features.
[10:03] <ddaa> spiv is excused
[10:03] <ddaa> hu
[10:03] <jamesh> spec-branches is landed and running on staging
[10:04] <jamesh> so can be taken off the list for next meeting
[10:04] <_thumper_> jamesh: thanks for that work btw
[10:04] <_thumper_> I appreciate it
[10:04] <ddaa> _thumper_: did you have a look at it?
[10:05] <_thumper_> brief glance, but spent more time going through work emails and meeting notes
[10:05] <_thumper_> to see what y'all were up to
[10:05] <ddaa> fair enough
[10:05] <ddaa> we should both try to review the stuff on staging
[10:05] <jamesh> I gave him the rocketfuel revno to get a diff
[10:05] <poolie> i haven't worked on bzr-lp features, but i talked to ddaa and am happy to see his new document
[10:06] <ddaa> poolie: actually sabdfl sort of pirated the stuff I started writing
[10:06] <ddaa> talk more about this later
[10:06] <ddaa> pyrex: spiv started reviewing the early code, no major complaint except lack of copyright notices, docstrings, etc. The usual.
[10:07] <ddaa> I think that's all for the status reports.
[10:07] <ddaa> == Motu code-review ==
[10:07] <ddaa> Ubuntu wants to use launcphad-bazaar in mentoring MOTUs: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/code-review
[10:07] <ddaa> That will give more exposure to bzr and launchpad-bazaar to the wider Ubuntu community. But launchpad-bazaar lacks critical features needed by this specification. In particular:
[10:07] <ddaa>  * bug 73975: Email notification for subscribed branches is not implemented. https://launchpad.net/bugs/73975
[10:07] <ddaa>  * bug 58889: Merged and abandoned branch should not appear in main branch listings. https://launchpad.net/bugs/58889
[10:07] <ddaa>  * bug 71303: Branch listings could do with status filtering. https://launchpad.net/bugs/71303
[10:07] <ddaa> Everybody please read this spec, and probably subscribe to it.
[10:07] <lifeless> if we shoud subscribe, subscribe us
[10:08] <ddaa> lifeless: well, I still want to give people the option to decide whether they are really interested
[10:08] <ddaa> so "Everybody please read this spec"
[10:08] <poolie> it's still good to explain it briefly in the meeting
[10:08] <ddaa> they want to put ./debian dirs in bzr branches
[10:09] <ddaa> in a team called "revu"
[10:09] <ddaa> in individual products
[10:09] <ddaa> (I commented on this, I think the ./debian branches should be in something else than the products proper)
[10:09] <lifeless> well
[10:09] <ddaa> and use email subscription to keep track of stuff
[10:10] <lifeless> often packaging with a VCS will in fact change things outside 'debian'
[10:10] <poolie> ok
[10:10] <ddaa> eventually, use the review system when it's there, but the lack of email subscription is really the big blocker
[10:10] <poolie> so, ddaa, are you managing the bzr-lp side of this?
[10:10] <lifeless> so please dont push the agenda of configs or whatever too hard - its almost certain to be a pain overall at this point
[10:10] <ddaa> lifeless: you are more than welcome to comment on the spec. My main point was that the product is for stuff that's of upstream interest, and a ./debian dir for a specific distro is not.
[10:11] <ddaa> in particular since they talk of putting _only_ ./debian
[10:11] <_thumper_> sorry about that
[10:11] <ddaa> poolie: I'm happy to try managing it
[10:11] <ddaa> naturally I'll only have as much authority as SteveA and you give me :)
[10:12] <ddaa> but I'm not going to have the time to do the bulk coding
[10:12] <ddaa> so I'm leaning towards _thumper_ for help :)
[10:12] <_thumper_> ddaa, missed the start of that conversation I'm afraid
[10:12] <_thumper_> is this channel logged?
[10:12] <_thumper_> and if so where?
[10:13] <poolie> ddaa sends out logs after the meeting
[10:13] <_thumper_> ok...
[10:13] <ddaa> _thumper_: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/file8XGyKe.html
[10:14] <ddaa> _thumper_: in short, branch email notification suddenly became urgent-important
[10:14] <poolie> is anyone working on those bugs?
[10:14] <ddaa> poolie: no
[10:14] <_thumper_> ddaa: ack
[10:14] <ddaa> bug 58889 is not large, so I can try doing it
[10:15] <poolie> they seem to be in the ddaa/thumper area...
[10:15] <ddaa> yeah, they all are pretty much ddaa/thumper stuff
[10:15] <poolie> ddaa, can you help tim work out how to do them?
[10:15] <ddaa> though jamesh has been seen to help on this sort of thing occasionally in the past
[10:15] <ddaa> poolie: that's my plan
[10:15] <poolie> _thumper_: is that ok with you?
[10:16] <ddaa> jamesh: how's your load looking nowadays?
[10:16] <jamesh> ddaa: I've got some bug import code to finish off, which is a priority
[10:16] <jamesh> ddaa: but I can help out afterwards/.
[10:16] <ddaa> jamesh: great
[10:17] <poolie> ddaa, please schedule a regular item to look at progress towards this
[10:17] <ddaa> poolie: sure
[10:17] <poolie> ddaa, who's driving this from the distro? who sent it to you?
[10:18] <ddaa> mh... I do not have a clear correspondant, I'll just talk to whoever is responsible for implementing the ubuntu spec
[10:18] <ddaa> that's dholbach
[10:18] <lifeless> I believe mark is initiating it
[10:18] <lifeless> on the basis of singapore
[10:18] <lifeless> so it needs an owner in the distro, and its 99% likely that will be dholbach
[10:19] <poolie> ok
[10:19] <ddaa> yeah, dholbach is the one who filed bug 71303 (status filtering)
[10:19] <poolie> let's say it's him till he says otherwise
[10:19] <ddaa> poolie: anything else on this topic?
[10:20] <poolie> this is really good: not too many more things to fix and real visible benefits
[10:20] <poolie> ok next?
[10:20] <ddaa> == Browsing branches ==
[10:20] <ddaa> The first two question I get asked by people interested in bzr are: 1. why should I use bzr instead of foo? 2. does it have a web interface
[10:20] <ddaa> Once, I pointed to http://goffredo-baroncelli.homelinux.net/bazaar, but this site was (is still?) "slower than molasses in Canadian winter".
[10:20] <ddaa> I think we should provide some serious branch browsing facility on Launchpad ASAP. Lacking one is a blocker to "making Launchpad a compelling reason to use bzr". (You are going to hear those words very often in the next months).
[10:20] <ddaa> unfortunately, spiv who's the current assignee for this task is away
[10:21] <ddaa> jamesh and spiv know what this should look like
[10:21] <ddaa> so this will wait one more week, I guess
[10:21] <poolie> ddaa: i agree it's important
[10:22] <ddaa> My point is, we really get moving on this stuff. People want to see shiny web browsing to take bzr seriously. Lacking this is harming adoption.
[10:22] <jamesh> my understanding was that we were planning to use webserve
[10:22] <ddaa> jamesh: yes
[10:22] <jamesh> so if webserve is too slow, then we'll need to address that
[10:22] <poolie> i think spiv may still be busy for a while
[10:22] <poolie> frankly i'd rather fix webserve first, then put it on lp
[10:22] <lifeless> If this is urgent, I suggest reassigning the task
[10:22] <lifeless> as the smart server is also very important
[10:23] <poolie> since people really want something they can use themselves
[10:23] <ddaa> jamesh: in the short term, we can probably just throw one big machine at it and adress the glue and deployment issues
[10:23] <poolie> jamesh, what's on for you once your current crunch finishes?
[10:24] <ddaa> this sort of thing tend to take one or two weeks just to adress the deployment aspect, even with all the launchpad glue implemented
[10:24] <jamesh> poolie: nothing in particular for a bit (there'll be a sprint in late January for porting LP over to the new ORM)
[10:24] <ddaa> then, if it's too slow we should of course adress the performance
[10:25] <jamesh> so I may be able to help out with some of this
[10:25] <ddaa> poolie: by the time we get there, it would be good if you could propose a mechanism to identify the performance issues in production
[10:25] <ddaa> there will also be a need for some Q&A oops-like system
[10:25] <poolie> jamesh: that would be really good
[10:25] <jamesh> the slowness could just be from not caching enough stuff between requests
[10:26] <ddaa> performance speculation, schmeculation
[10:26] <poolie> it is also in need of some ui improvement
[10:26] <poolie> jamesh: let's talk next monday?
[10:27] <ddaa> poolie: is webserve the best thing we have today?
[10:27] <ddaa> in term of web ui
[10:27] <poolie> at least to see how you're getting on etc
[10:27] <poolie> ddaa:  afaik
[10:27] <jamesh> poolie: okay.
[10:27] <ddaa> poolie: then let's stick to it, regardless of how much improvement it could benefit from :)
[10:28] <poolie> ddaa: i think it can be improved without throwing it out
[10:28] <ddaa> okay, item reported to next week, we'll see if jamesh is in position to take it at this point
[10:29] <ddaa> Amazingly enough, we are at the end of the agenda, ahead of time.
[10:29] <ddaa> == Anything else? ==
[10:29] <ddaa> poolie: you usually have a few of those up your sleeve :)
[10:29] <ddaa> actually, the right wording is == Any other business? ==
[10:31] <poolie> just one thing: if you're taking leave other than the shutdown, please send mail about it today or tomorrow
[10:31] <poolie> so we all know
[10:31] <poolie> ddaa: nice work on the 2007h1 document
[10:32] <ddaa> poolie: right, that's the other business
[10:32] <ddaa> so, I started writing something up
[10:32] <poolie> now let's do it :)
[10:32] <ddaa> then sabdfl saw it and though "great idea"
[10:32] <ddaa> then went away and rewrote it all
[10:32] <jamesh> now it is better? :)
[10:32] <ddaa> it's different
[10:32] <ddaa> now, it's input from sabdfl, what he consider is important
[10:33] <ddaa> I plan to continue working on the stuff _I_ wrote, and circulate it privately to mpool and SteveA (that's Steve suggestion)
[10:34] <ddaa> When it becomes clearer, it'll land on the wiki
[10:34] <poolie> ddaa, ok, let's have a brief call to talk about that
[10:34] <poolie> anything else for here?
[10:34] <ddaa> nothing else for this meeting
[10:35] <ddaa> MEETING CLOSED
[10:35] <ddaa> thank you all for participating
[10:35] <poolie> quick exit from tim :)
[10:36] <ddaa> except _thumper_ who needs to get a better breed of carrier pigeons for his internet connection
[10:37] <poolie> ddaa: skype?
[10:37] <ddaa> poolie: fine
[10:37] <_thumper_> sorry that took so long to come back
[10:37] <_thumper_> had to switch to another machine
[10:37] <_thumper_> and download irc software
[10:37] <ddaa> _thumper_: I'll write minutes soon, you'll have it all then
[10:37] <_thumper_> it seems that linux doesn't deal too well with the low signal
[10:37] <_thumper_> so I've missed it all?
[10:37] <poolie> yep
[10:37] <_thumper_> arse
[10:38] <_thumper_> and I was SO looking forward to it
[10:38] <jamesh> _thumper_: the channel should be logged at http://tinyurl.com/72w39
[10:38] <poolie> read the minutes, and let's talk tomorrow
[10:38] <_thumper_> ok
[10:38] <_thumper_> poolie, what time are you off?
[10:38] <poolie> thumper, can you make sure your current numbers are on the wiki
[10:38] <poolie> 1230
[10:38] <poolie> so let's talk before i go
[10:38] <_thumper_> wiki mobile number is correct
[10:39] <_thumper_> ok
[10:39] <poolie> maybe from the airport-
[10:39] <poolie> great
[10:40] <_thumper_> ok, I'm off to bed then
[10:40] <poolie> night
[10:40] <_thumper_> roll on the 12 UTC lp meeting
[10:40] <_thumper_> :)


[21:11] <olly> morning
[21:39] <mwhudson> chilts: conjure-up is sort of a basic ui for juju
[21:51] <chilts> interesting, thanks mwhudson


[00:09] <Darkx1337> Is this the right place to get help for xubuntu?
[00:09] <charlie-tca> yes, it is
[00:11] <Darkx1337> I am just having a minor problem with one of the panels.  It looks like the window buttons plugin expands to fit the panel.
[00:11] <Darkx1337> I can't find an option to disable that.
[02:34] <edugonch> Hello, I have a new installation of xubuntu but I have a problem with the WiFi, I can see the WiFi connection but when trying to connect I get disconnect
[02:34] <edugonch> I try the connection with my phone and it connects ok so the problem is not with the WiFi router
[02:44] <edugonch> I'm getting this
[02:44] <edugonch> sudo ifup wlan0
[02:44] <edugonch> Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0.
[03:41] <Josh6680> Hi, I'm kinda new to IRC, but I REALLY need some help!
[03:41] <charlie-tca> Please ask your question all in one line. All of us are volunteers and will attempt to answer if we know.
[03:43] <Josh6680> Okay, I'm not sure if this is why, but I unplugged my USB without unmounting it, and a lot of my files and folders are gone. Is it possible to get them back?
[03:44] <ball> Josh6680: Don't do that.
[03:44] <charlie-tca> They probably are not gone, but simply hiding for now. Try restarting the computer and see if they are still there?
[03:45] <Josh6680> I already restarted my computer, and they don't show up in either windows or Xubuntu.
[03:46] <charlie-tca> You tried unplugging and re-plugging the drive a couple of times?
[03:46] <charlie-tca> If no one else has anything, I would suggest trying #ubuntu-beginners . They are pretty good with this kind of issue.
[03:47] <Josh6680> Yes, I tried unplugging it and re-plugging it a few times, I also checked Gparted, and it said something about my partitions being overlapped.
[05:59] <Lillymon> I've just upgraded Xubuntu and found I have a fairly severe problem. Networking won't automatically connect using the (single) wireless profile available to it, and won't give me an option to manually connect. So how the hell do I connect at all?
[06:00] <Lillymon> A foolproof option to force the system to connect using the wireless profile (which is confirmed to work) would be appreciated so I can at least get the system online in some capacity.
[06:02] <Lillymon> Also a good answer to why the system will not even try to connect using a profile with the 'Connect automatically' option set on it would be appreciated.
[06:03] <TheSheep> Lillymon: it's because it doesn't see the ssid you configured
[06:04] <Lillymon> The SSID was perfectly valid before I upgraded. I used the same profile with the same SSID to upgrade the system, and it's not changed.
[06:04] <TheSheep> Lillymon: why it doesn't see it is hard to guess
[06:04] <Lillymon> But how do I tell the system to attempt to connect using a specific profile, there seems to be no option to do this.
[06:05] <TheSheep> it displays you the profiles that it sees available
[06:05] <Lillymon> It doesn't even try and then fail to connect, it just never even attempts to make a connection.
[06:05] <TheSheep> when you click on the network iccon
[06:06] <Lillymon> TheSheep: I click on it and get an option to edit profiles, but not to connect to them.
[06:06] <Lillymon> Right or left click, no difference.
[06:06] <TheSheep> as I said, it doesn't see the network you configured
[06:06] <Lillymon> So because it doesn't see it, it won't connect to it? So if I've got SSID broadcast off, Xubuntu is unable to ever connect to the router?
[06:07] <TheSheep> I can repeat that a couple of times if you like
[06:07] <Lillymon> Go right ahead, we'll see if it makes sense on the third try.
[06:07] <TheSheep> no, there is an option to connect to a hidden network
[06:07] <Lillymon> WHERE.
[06:08] <TheSheep> in the menu you get when clicking on the network icon
[06:08] <Lillymon> I do not see any option to connect to a hidden network. I used to, but it seems to have gone AWOL. It's no longer in the menu.
[06:08] <TheSheep> also
[06:08] <TheSheep> !attitude
[06:09] <Lillymon> I don't like your attitude either. You say it's there, I say it isn't, you say it is, I say it most definitely isn't.  That's my problem right there.
[06:11]  * ball isn't on wireless, or I'd look.
[06:12] <Lillymon> Either it's broken, and fixing the network icon would first require BYPASSING the network icon, so I'd need a secondary way of getting online. Or it's just changed, in which case where the hell did this option go then?
[06:12] <preecher> just looked on my end--clicked on "connect to hidden wireless network" typed in ssid--for whatever its worth--using 11.04
[06:13] <TheSheep> I think you should take a step back and rest a little, then when you are thinking clearly the solution will be easier to come by. you are now angry and it's not a best state for doing things.
[06:14] <Lillymon> I think I'm in a perfectly fine state for diagnosing problems, but thinking of a response to that last statement will be a challenge.
[06:15] <TheSheep> make sure you have "wireless networks" enabled
[06:15] <TheSheep> in that menu
[06:15] <Lillymon> It is. I tried disabling and enabling it, to no avail.
[06:16] <Lillymon> Right-clicking and left-clicking should give me different menus, correct?
[06:18] <preecher> mine gives me the same menu when i click on my icon in the panel
[06:18] <TheSheep> I once had a problem with a lenovo computer that would juzt not connect after getting back from servicing. turned out they ran windows on it that set a power profile which disable the network card in bios. there wasn't a menu for that in the bios setup, so I had to reset bios to factory settings to make it work
[06:19] <TheSheep> just saying
[06:19] <Lillymon> Well if I could get it to TRY, I could find out if it would. Is there a way aside from the network icon to make it try to connect? The network icon must be a frontend to something I can access through other means.
[06:19] <TheSheep> sure, you can configure it from the command line
[06:20] <TheSheep> it's a little compliicate, bu there is a howto
[06:20] <TheSheep> !wifi
[06:20]  * ball bites his tongue and QSYs to the next room
[06:20] <Lillymon> That's my main query, I need to find out if the computer will connect at all and the network icon seems screwed to me.
[06:35] <Lillymon> Well I've checked my router and it's definitely set to broadcast the SSID and is not hiding itself in any way, so I've no idea what Xubuntu wants of me.
[06:36] <Wizard> good morning
[06:37] <ball> Good morning Wizard
[06:38] <ball> Lillymon: Is your wireless networking not showing up on your computer?
[06:38] <ball> s/networking/network/
[06:41] <Lillymon> Wireless networking is listed as it always was, and wlan0 is shown as managed. The profile that I've been using is still there, the SSID is correct, the WPA key is correct. Unfortunately, both left and right clicking on the icon give me the same menu, I can view the status of the connection (inactive) or edit my connections.
[06:41] <Lillymon> There is no option to connect to a hidden network.
[06:41] <Lillymon> Besides, it's not even hidden, the SSID is being broadcast but it won't connect automatically.
[06:41] <ball> Lillymon: Didn't you just say your router /was/ broadcasting an SSID?
[06:42] <Lillymon> Yep, just checked it.
[06:42] <ball> Lillymon: What channel are you on?
[06:42] <Lillymon> 1
[06:42] <ball> Lillymon: Try something else.
[06:42] <ball> ...and make sure you're on a band that your wireless NIC is able to use.
[06:47] <Lillymon> Acually, I was mistaken, it was set to auto, which uses random channels. I've set it to 8, but as I said, I just upgraded the system wirelessly, and I was getting speeds of over 600KB/sec.
[06:48] <ball> Lillymon: Have you confirmed (using a cellphone, laptop etc.) that the wireless network is still there?
[06:48] <ball> (and still working?)
[06:53] <Lillymon> My Wii can see the network perfectly fine.
[06:53] <Lillymon> Xubuntu may insist it's not there, but my Wii just connected to it using the exact same settings.
[06:55] <Lillymon> So I don't know what's wrong with it, but the router is in perfect working order and the wireless hardware on that PC was also working with no problems less than an hour ago, so I'm thinking whatever's wrong, it's a software problem/
[06:55] <ball> Good, that helps clarify things a bit.
[06:56] <ball> Do I understand correctly that your NIC used to work with Xubuntu?
[06:57] <Lillymon> Well I only installed xubuntu-desktop recently (the system used GNOME 2 up until about a month ago) but it was working fine with Xubuntu on 10.10.
[06:58] <ball> Did you upgrade to Xubuntu 11.04 recently?
[06:59] <Lillymon> Very recently, I think maybe 90 minutes ago.
[07:00] <Lillymon> Also, the wireless connection is most definitely working. I'm watching a Super Smash Bros. Brawl match on spectator mode with zero lag.
[07:00]  * ball is confused.  If your wireless connection is working, what are you having trouble with?
[07:01] <Lillymon> Though it should be noted that the Wii is in the same room as the router, while the PC is two floors down. Auto connection was slightly iffy before, needing to connect manually about half of the time, but now the option to connect manually won't appear.
[07:02] <ball> Ah, so it's working on the Wii but not on the Xubuntu box?
[07:02] <Lillymon> Very much so.
[07:02] <ball> Can you temporarily move the Xubuntu box to the same floor as the router, to see if it works there?
[07:02] <ball> I replaced my wireless router this week because a storm blew it out.
[07:03] <ball> ...continued to mostly function, but the wireless LAN disappeared.
[07:03] <Lillymon> That would be quite a job since it's not exactly a netbook, it's a mini-tower case and 17" CRT monitor.
[07:03] <ball> ...wouldn't be a stretch to imagine it attenuating the output.
[07:04] <ball> Lillymon: That's what I would do
[07:04] <Lillymon> Move the whole thing up two floors to see if it'll auto-connect up here? What if it does? It's of no use to me up here anyway, it needs to be where it is to be useful.
[07:05] <Lillymon> Besides, none of this explains where the hell the manual connect option went.
[07:07] <Lillymon> Given my current set of options, I can never connect to a hidden network or even search for wireless networks (that option seems to have gone too), which is just stupid.
[07:07] <Lillymon> It really seems Xubuntu is doing everything possible to stop me, EITHER of the above would let me manually connect and they're both gone!
[07:09] <TheSheep> Lillymon: yeah, everyone are against you, and it's always their fault nothing works
[07:09] <Wizard> o you know any fast method to revert to default packages (removing libx11-6 is not an option :P)
[07:10] <ball> Lillymon: Can't help you if you won't help yourself.
[07:12] <Lillymon> Well I'm going to try something else I just thought of. I have a Xubuntu 11.04 desktop CD here, I'm going to see if an raw 11.04 install can work where my upgraded one fails.
[07:14] <ball> Might be worth a try.  I know Ubuntu 11.04 didn't seem to work at all well on the hardware I tried it on.  I prefer Xubuntu anyway though.
[07:15] <TheSheep> ball: that's strange, because both use the same kernel and drivers
[07:16] <ball> TheSheep: I've noticed some issues with Xubuntu 11.04 too, but perhaps I'm more tolerant of them because I happen to like it.
[07:16] <ball> ...more.
[07:16] <Wizard> :D
[07:17] <Wizard> windows users must like it very much than :D
[07:17] <Solskogen> hi! is there something like the "global" proxy settings in xubuntu as it is in ubuntu?
[07:18] <ball> Wizard:?
[07:18] <TheSheep> Solskogen: no, but you should be able to set the environemnt variables for http_proxy and https_proxy
[07:18] <Lillymon> Oh, and hey, look at that. The raw install displayed a list of routers when I left-clicked on the icon, displaying my router in there, and allowing me to connect in a matter of seconds. Guess I don't need to move it.
[07:18] <Solskogen> TheSheep: damn, but okay
[07:19] <Wizard> ball: i was referring to your statement
[07:19] <TheSheep> Lillymon: glad you got your problem solved
[07:20] <Lillymon> Well not exactly solved, the desktop CD will connect, but the underlying install is the same. I could just bite the bullet and reinstall, being thankful that I made separate root and home partitions.
[07:20] <Solskogen> TheSheep: its a pita to log off and on again just to set proxy :/
[07:20] <Wizard> i wonder what could be Lillymon's problem actually
[07:21] <ball> Wizard: Ah right, I think I understand.
[07:22] <Lillymon> Could I just wipe out all networking settings and restart from scratch with regards to networking? I know all of the settings anyway.
[07:22] <Lillymon> I'd rather a tactical strike than go nuclear on this.
[07:25] <Lillymon> I can't quite believe I'm considering killing a three year old install based on a networking glitch.
[07:25] <Wizard> Lillymon: you could try removing network-manager with --purge
[07:26] <Wizard> but prepare all necessary debs required to reinstall it :)
[07:26] <Wizard> or.. install wicd
[07:26] <Wizard> and than remove networkmanager
[07:26] <Wizard> maybe wicd will do the trick better
[07:26] <Lillymon> Eh, screw it. A clean install is probably going to be good for this system.
[07:26] <Wizard> :(
[07:27] <Wizard> don't you want to try?
[07:27] <TheSheep> Wizard: no, he only came here to complain
[07:28] <Lillymon> TheSheep: Wow, haven't the tables turned? When I came in here, I was the one with the attitude problem.
[07:29] <TheSheep> Lillymon: you still have it
[07:29] <Lillymon> Well excuse me for being unhelpful not wanting to lug a mini-tower and CRT monitor up two flights of stairs when I didn't even need to.
[07:29] <Wizard> lol
[07:31] <TheSheep> Lillymon: You've been ranting here for over an hour, taking everybody's time and acting like a spoiled teenager making demands that somebody fixes it for you.
[07:32] <Lillymon> I didn't know you were in my house! Oh wait, I've been going up and down stairs trying various possible solutions and gradually working my way towards what actually got the PC online.
[07:34] <TheSheep> Lillymon: I'm sorry, it seems that now I am angry and I will take a break from this. Please don't feel insulted by my comments.
[07:34] <Wizard> pax, amici
[07:40] <Lillymon> Well while it would be nice from an academic perspective to work out exactly why network-manager went walkabout, I have a Debian system for that sort of technical masturbation. My Xubuntu system is designed to simply work, so I'm going for the nuclear option.
[07:56] <Kiwilady> chan i please have help with wirless
[07:56] <Kiwilady> can*
[07:56] <Wizard> sure, describe your problem
[07:56] <Wizard> (wireless fail today)
[07:58] <Kiwilady> Okay when i connect my modem via ether net i get connection
[08:00] <Wizard> that was fast
[08:01] <Unit193> I don't see that as a problem...
[08:53] <Lillymon> Well my problem is now solved anyway. The reinstalled Xubuntu connected immediately, no need to even ask it. Obviously it kept the same settings so they weren't the issue. What was will probably remain a mystery, but the system is also cleaner for the reinstall, so I'm happy now.
[08:56] <Lillymon> I was thinking "How am I going to make sure all of GNOME's gone? Also I've got bits of KDE and Qt in there, and some old apps I need to get rid of completely. That'll take ages". Should've thought of this earlier.
[09:58] <stephanmg> hey mates. xfce has some shortcuts for my keyboard predefined, which i cannot find in settings manager keyboard shortcuts, where are those ?
[10:22] <TheSheep> stephanmg: window manager settings
[10:23] <stephanmg> TheSheep: thank you i will look there.
[10:26] <stephanmg> sadly: i won't find it there too
[10:44] <starkid> hi. I'm having trouble retaining my workspaces between sessions. I've set my sessions to be saved automatically, but every time I log out and back in, I find that the number of workspaces has decreased from 3 to 1.
[10:46] <TheSheep> starkid: do you use anything nonstandard, like compiz?
[10:46] <starkid> no
[10:47] <TheSheep> starkid: can you make sure that you have free space in your home directory?
[10:47] <TheSheep> starkid: you can do it from command line with 'df -h'
[10:48] <starkid> yes, I do
[10:48] <starkid> lots of it
[10:48] <TheSheep> hmm... ok
[10:50] <TheSheep> starkid: can you check with your settings editor xfwm4->workspace_count ?
[10:51] <starkid> it's 1 right now, but I recently logged in and had it changed to one again. should I change it to 3 in settings manager like I usually do, then check if the settings editor still says 1?
[10:55] <TheSheep> yeah, maybe that will explain what's happening
[10:55] <TheSheep> you can also try checking your ~/.xsessionerrors for related errors
[10:59] <starkid> I changed the number of workspaces to 3, and xfwm4 in settings editor lists 3. Looking at session errors now.
[11:02] <starkid> I found several errors, all like the following, except with different numbers:
[11:02] <starkid> (xfwm4-workspace-settings:20855): Pango-WARNING **: failed to choose a font, expect ugly output. engine-type='PangoRenderFc', script='common'
[11:03] <starkid> hmm...Pango is a text rendering engine, doesn't seem to be related
[11:35] <TheSheep> yeah, sorry, I was afk
[11:54] <starkid> ok
[12:43] <xrdodrx> starkid: I had this exact same issue
[12:44] <xrdodrx> when changing the amount of workspaces via right clicking the apet and choosing properries
[12:44] <xrdodrx> i was able to fix it in settings manager>workspaces
[12:45] <starkid> I've always set the number of workspaces in settings manager anyways, so I don't think that is the problem
[12:45] <xrdodrx> did you try giving them  ustom names?
[12:45] <xrdodrx> i did that too
[12:45] <starkid> no. I'll give it a shot
[12:46] <xrdodrx> custom*
[12:47] <starkid> exit
[12:48]  * Wizard yawns
[12:48] <starkid> wo-hoo! that worked. thanks xrdodrx
[12:49] <xrdodrx> starkid: must be a bug
[12:49] <xrdodrx> glad it worked :D
[15:37] <plantoschka> 16:37:29 up 2 days,  5:53,  2 users,  load average: 0.53, 0.54, 0.51
[15:37] <plantoschka> .. can anybody tell me what the 3 numbers in load average mean?
[15:39] <Sysi> how much stuff your machine has to do, average of different times
[15:39] <DarkEra> seconds maybe?
[15:39] <charlie-tca> The averages are taken over the three time intervals.
[15:39] <Sysi> 15min / 1min / 15s or something like that
[15:40] <charlie-tca> man uptime expains it technically
[15:40] <plantoschka> ok thanks
[15:40] <charlie-tca> sys-
[15:40] <charlie-tca>        tem load averages for the past 1, 5, and 15 minutes.
[15:40] <charlie-tca> There it is
[17:54] <loonysalmon> My synaptic touchpad is very touchy in xubuntu and it feels like it has no palm detection because whenever i try and type i get right clicks and left clicks all over the place.  Often times I'll get the workspaces to change when the cursor is on the desktop, too <<Scroll>>.  Help me out please!
[17:55] <GridCube> loonysalmon, you want to disable it?
[17:55] <loonysalmon> I guess what I want is some sort of palm detection like I had when I was using gnome.
[17:56] <loonysalmon> I noticed XFCE4's mouse controls were...lacking
[17:56] <Sysi> you could see what options gpointing-device-settings offers
[17:56] <loonysalmon> thanks Sysi
[17:56] <loonysalmon> do those changes get enabled on startup?
[18:00] <loonysalmon> How about disabling tapping while typing?
[18:14] <charlie-tca1> loonysalmon: install gsynaptics, it should be able to do that.
[18:25] <shicou> Hello! Can anybody help me with policykit.... I've changed the password for user but when I start browser or empathy.... policykit asks me a password
[19:10] <juxo> hi.. I just upgraded from 10.10 to 10.4. I have ComPiz and Emerald to draw the window borders and now I have no window borders at all
[19:11] <juxo> I tried removing and reinstalling emerald but to no avail..
[19:11] <juxo> err.. 11.04
[19:13] <juxo> I think I may perhaps answered something wrong when the upgraded OS booted up..
[19:13] <juxo> It asked something about Xfce something and I answered "use defaults for the new version" instead of "use old config" .. this may be why my linux is slightly brokeh
[19:15] <juxo> I'd like the bar above the windows and linings around the windows back. If someone can help it'd be much appreciated
[19:16] <Sysi> !emerald
[19:16] <Sysi> use some compiz plugin to get window borders
[19:16] <Sysi> gtk-window-decorator may also work
[19:18] <juxo> Sysi: so I uninstall emerald and then look at compiz config turn the window decoration on..?
[19:18] <Sysi> you don't need to uninstall, you just can't use it
[19:19] <Sysi> fiddle with ccsm
[19:22] <juxo> I've no idea what is 'ccsm'
[19:26] <Sysi> compizconfig-settings-manager aka. compiz settings
[19:28] <Wizard> cześć
[19:28] <Wizard> i mean hi
[19:30] <xrdodrx> juxo, Emerald is pretty outdated, it's probably not smart to use it
[20:06] <juxo> So before I upgraded from 10.10 to 10.04 my windows used to have borders in my windows and that bar that you can use to drag or push one of the icons in the upper-righthand corner of the windows
[20:07] <juxo> I used to use an outdated window decorator called "Emerald" .. I've now removed that but no avail
[20:07] <juxo> I need some sane defaults..
[20:08] <juxo> Removing and installing Compiz wouldn't help ?
[20:08] <Sysi> nope
[20:08] <charlie-tca> Removing Compiz would probably help
[20:09] <juxo> umm..
[20:09] <Sysi> not if xfwm4 doesn't start then :P
[20:09]  * Wizard wonders why do people bother with that crap..
[20:09] <charlie-tca> True
[20:09] <Sysi> Wizard: some functionality that xfwm4 lacks
[20:10] <Sysi> if you want effects, simplest is to install kde-window-manager and run kwin --replace
[20:10] <juxo> Wizard: Compiz is great. It's got a full screen task switcher..
[20:11] <Sysi> kwin provides that too
[20:11] <charlie-tca> AFAIR, it also has the ability to take away all windows borders?
[20:12] <juxo> So I need some sane defaults for my xfwm4?
[20:12] <juxo> whatever that is..
[20:12] <juxo> Xfce window manager prbbly..
[20:13] <Wizard> yup
[20:14] <juxo> yup, it's Xfce Window Manager 4 or I need to restore some default somewhere and then I can be happy with my Linux again..
[20:14] <Wizard> xfwm does not start too?
[20:18] <juxo> umm.. 'ps ax | grep xfwm' ?
[20:19] <juxo> nope.. no process running..
[20:21] <juxo> hey..
[20:21] <juxo> 'xfwm4 --replace' fixed it ..
[20:22] <juxo> now I has pretty metallic borders
[20:22] <juxo> XD XD I love Linux!
[20:22] <juxo> tnx for this great free software ..
[20:46] <Wizard> :)
[20:46] <Wizard> these great free softeware should be hanged for removing two-state-launcher
[20:47] <Wizard> and should add something which combines iconbox and launcher
[20:47] <juxo> so running 'xfwm4 --replace' gets me the window bar, nice and metalley, but turns compiz functionality off..
[20:47] <Wizard> yes, it's different wm
[20:48] <juxo> and I notice that after rebooting the windowbar is missing again.. so guys.. umh.. need some help still
[20:48] <Wizard> xfwm supports transparency and shadows only
[20:48] <Wizard> save session when running xfce
[20:48] <Wizard> xfwm*
[20:48] <juxo> how do I do that ?
[20:50] <Wizard> hmm, click mouse→ settings→ settings manager
[20:51] <Wizard> than choose sessions and run (or something like that, i prefere my own language :P)
[20:51] <Wizard> than, on card Session, choose save
[20:56] <juxo> Wizard: I want to have the Compiz like I did in 10.10 ...
[20:57] <juxo> it seems to be on, but yet, off
[20:57] <Wizard> yeah, i know, but it's really hard to check settings without any wm running
[20:57] <Wizard> btw, did you try running compiz --replace from terminal, does it show any errors?
[21:00] <juxo> Wizard: that brings me back to 'no window bar' situation
[21:00] <Sysi> you need to set compiz plugin for drawing window borders
[21:00] <juxo> it says "no window decorator found" ( among other things )
[21:01] <juxo> Sysi: I've tried checking and unchecking that to no avail
[21:01] <Wizard> ah
[21:01] <Sysi> idk what you actualy need to do but that's how it's done in unity
[21:01] <Wizard> try purging compiz settings, should lie somewhere in ~/.config
[21:01] <juxo> Wizard: So I suppose uninstalling and reinstalling Compiz might help
[21:01] <Sysi> or you could use kde window manager
[21:02] <Sysi> reinstall doesn't help, compiz works
[21:02] <Sysi> emerald doesn't so you need to set compiz to draw window borders with something else
[21:04] <Sysi> try gtk-window-decorator instead of emerald
[21:34] <juxo> Hi.. I almost brokeh my system to not being able to enter commands into the shell but alas I've recooperated.. now one final question.. how did I set Compiz to startup on startup ?
[21:39] <djiefo> Hi. Why I always need to re-enter compiz --replace & disown in terminal at each startup? I mean is'nt supposed to start by itself when I boot?
[21:40] <juxo> yeah. that's what I'd like..
[21:41] <djiefo> juxo,  same problem as me
[21:41] <djiefo> O.o
[21:46] <Wizard> juxo: just as i told you before
[21:47] <juxo> Wizard: I've lost that, could I has it again ?
[21:49] <Wizard> sure
[21:49] <Wizard> http://wklej.org/id/546725/
[21:53] <Wizard> ok, i need a bed
[21:53] <Wizard> good night
[21:54] <juxo> g'night wizard
[22:19] <djiefo> Hi. Does anyone know a way to set compiz to start correctly under xfce? In sessions options it's set to start Immidiatly, but it's not
[22:19] <djiefo> I always have to enter compiz --replace & disown each times
[22:29] <GridCube> mmm
[22:29] <GridCube> why the disown?
[22:29] <GridCube> people usually just compiz
[22:29] <GridCube> or compiz -r
[22:30] <GridCube> but the disown is a new one for me
[22:30] <djiefo> GridCube, disown because as-soon I close the terminal, compiz shut
[22:30] <GridCube> XD run it tru alt-f2
[22:30] <GridCube> why would you run graphic stuff from a terminal
[22:31] <djiefo> GridCube, lol bah u know F12 Guake addicted
[22:31] <GridCube> XD
[22:32] <GridCube> be sure that when you close your session the "save session" box is marked
[22:32] <djiefo> GridCube,  i'm not really used with linux environment, i've installed xu11.04 just from 2 weeks
[22:32] <GridCube> :)
[22:33] <djiefo> "save session" box?
[22:35] <GridCube> yes when you go to the shutdown options, there is a small box at the bottom that says something like "save session" or whatever it translates
[22:36] <djiefo> GridCube,  when i'm doing shutdown, the computer just completly shut by powering off. I dont have any options to save my session
[22:36] <GridCube> D:
[22:36] <GridCube> thats wrong
[22:36] <GridCube> how do you shutdown?
[22:37] <djiefo> lolll by clicking on djiefo on xfce bar drag it to shutdown
[22:38] <GridCube> go to the xfce logo and choose "close session"
[22:38] <GridCube> sorry
[22:38] <GridCube> gotta go
[22:38] <GridCube> bbl
[23:15] <juxo> so now we've reached a stalemate point with the otherwise so lovely Xubuntu software where I can has Compiz and no borders ( Schengen Compiz ) or xfwm4 and no Compiz ..
[23:17] <juxo> and I've been at this upgrade and get it to work thing for hours now. It woulda been so sweet if no major problems were encountered during the couple of hours of upgrade
[23:18] <juxo> but dudes.. I've been using linuxes since 1996 and running one or few occasionally since 1998
[23:19] <juxo> I gotta hand it to you guys, this Xubuntu is quite usable and reliable and hassle-free ( except for the disappearing borders )
[23:19] <yomayom> um so
[23:19] <juxo> It's so easy to use..
[23:19] <yomayom> I tried googling but didn't have much luck
[23:20] <yomayom> I'm pretty new to linux in general so I'm sure I'm missing something obvious
[23:20] <yomayom> I want to force my router to assign me the ip address <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:20] <yomayom> rather than getting automatically assigned whatever one it chooses for me
[23:21] <juxo> I had to 'ps ax | grep xscreensaver' and then 'kill -15' because it ( the uprgade processy-thingy ) bitches about stopping xscreensaver or else or else else
[23:21] <yomayom> any idea how to do that?
[23:23] <juxo> yomayom: I think you have to set it at the router.. are you using DHCP ?
[23:24] <yomayom> I think so
[23:24] <yomayom> In winxp there was a setting for it in network connections -> bla bla
[23:25] <yomayom> maybe it involved disabling DHCP?
[23:25]  * yomayom is pretty lost
[23:25] <juxo> yomayom: so you have a broadband connection with a DHCP server with a router with NAT it appears ( 192.168. is sort of not routable to the internet )
[23:26] <juxo> yomayom: I think you need to access your router's connection forwarding settings..
[23:27] <yomayom> I have port forwarding set to redirect certain ports to <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:27] <juxo> yomayom: yeah.. 'k .. you need to access the DHCP settings and enter your MAC address to your broadband router-thingy...
[23:28] <juxo> say.. this and this mac address you want associated with <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:32]  * yomayom googles "mac address"
[23:32] <juxo> yomayom: It's an unique numeric identifier that each network device has..
[23:33] <juxo> you can see command 'ifconfig' to find your's ..
[23:35] <yomayom> HWaddr?
[23:35] <juxo> yup
[23:35] <juxo> plus there is a range for VMs
[23:35] <juxo> of MAC addresses..
[23:36] <juxo> err.. network interfaces..
[23:37] <juxo> mmm.. off to brush teeth and sleep
[23:38] <perelin> hi!
[23:38] <perelin> I have some problems...
[23:38] <perelin> just did the recent updates...
[23:38] <perelin> after that my xfce seems to be broken
[23:38] <perelin> indication: all window decorations are gone, workspaces are gone, terminals hang themselfs
[23:39] <perelin> after acertain point i even cannot switch applications anymore
[23:39] <perelin> tried reinstalling nvidia drivers
[23:39] <perelin> didn't help at all
[23:39] <yomayom> it does not appear to be possible to set address by MAC with this router
[23:42] <charlie-tca> perelin: Alt+F2, xfwm4
[23:42] <perelin> k thx will try that, back to report soon
[23:42] <yomayom> I don't see why MAC is even necessary; I didn't need to play with MAC at all in winxp
[23:43] <charlie-tca> if Alt+F2 won't work, open a terminal or switch to tty using Ctrl+Alt+f2, run xfwm4 &
[23:43] <perelin> charlie-tca, NICE!!
[23:43] <perelin> did the trick
[23:44] <perelin> thanks very much!!
[23:44] <charlie-tca> yw
[23:44] <perelin> what was that command?
[23:44] <charlie-tca> Alt+F2, xfwm4
[23:44] <charlie-tca> it starts the window manager
[23:44] <perelin> :)
[23:44] <perelin> ah!!
[23:44] <perelin> strange... I rebooted like a thousand times...
[23:45] <perelin> one thinks that rebooting should start the window manager...
[23:46] <perelin> will it last a reboot? or do I have to tweak some ini files to make this last?
[23:47] <charlie-tca> It should came back if you save the session. If it doesn't, add it to autostart in sessions and startup
[23:47] <perelin> kk, will do!
[23:47] <perelin> thanks again
[23:47] <perelin> I appreciate it very much to get help that quick and competent!
[23:48] <charlie-tca> some things are easier than others
[23:48] <perelin> ;-)
[23:57] <perelin> ok, the window manager survived a reboot without any session tampering.
[23:57] <perelin> the last updates seemed to have removed xfwm4 from the autostarts...
[23:58] <perelin> at least for me
[23:58] <perelin> thinkpad t61 nvidia thingie
[23:59] <perelin> charlie-tca: thx again!
[23:59] <charlie-tca> If it survived the reboot, it doesn't need to be in autostart


[15:56] <CarstenG> Hi Hannie
[15:56] <hannie> hello CarstenG
[15:57] <CarstenG> What gave the merge from precise-e2 and quantal?
[15:58] <hannie> ay, ay, haven't done it yet. Still busy translating Raring GUI
[15:59] <CarstenG> Is the GUI freeze over?
[16:00] <hannie> We have started translations now.
[16:00] <hannie> There may be 1 or 2 strings added, but that's no problem
[16:01] <CarstenG> ah ok
[16:01] <CarstenG> Hi Sylvie.
[16:01] <cqfd93> Hi Carsten!
[16:04] <CarstenG> Nice to see the French version online. :-)
[16:11] <cqfd93> Yes!  Now waiting for the quantal version which is ready :-)
[16:17] <hannie> Hey sylvie. congrats on the release of "your" version of the manual
[16:20] <cqfd93> Hello Hannie, thank you!
[16:33] <hannie> I have to go. See you later.


[18:56] <MichalPenka> hi
[18:57] <MichalPenka> anyone can help with maverick install?
[18:57] <MichalPenka> I cannot move from second step in ubiquity installer
[18:57] <MichalPenka> I've discovered some parted_server problem
[19:00] <MichalPenka> is anybody reading this?
[20:05] <UndiFineD> no ?
[20:08] <charlie-tca> no


[13:32] <pancakes9> hey, i'm a new contributor and need some help getting started
[14:48] <pancakes9> anyone around?
[15:10] <rbasak> !ask | pancakes9
[15:11] <pancakes9> Can someone guide me (a new contributor) in getting started helping out?
[15:21] <ki7mt> pancakes9, a good place to start reading (may as well get used to it, there's lots to read) are the links at the top of the channel.
[15:21] <Laney> pancakes9: Yeah, the Contributing link is decent
[15:22] <Laney> A good place to start is with a favourite package, if you have one - go to Launchpad, look at its bugs and see if you can help them along
[15:22] <Laney> Otherwise we'll need to know what your specific interests are
[15:25] <ki7mt> I just started on this as well. I'm working on a new pkg I want to get approved, and it's proving to be a bit of a challenge.
[15:27] <ki7mt> Actually, I do have question, while Im here. bzr builddeb v.s debuild and pbuilder .. what's the preferred method?
[15:27] <pancakes9> ki7mt: do you just download the latest ubuntu release and load it in virtualbox?
[15:29] <ki7mt> No, Im working on the upstream packages
[15:29] <pancakes9> what are upstream packages?
[15:30] <ki7mt> The programs / applications that are non-Ubuntu
[15:31] <pancakes9> ki7mt: how did you jump into that so quickly?
[15:33] <ki7mt> No so quickly, been working on those apps for Linux in general for a long time, just now learning how to package for Debian and Ubuntu.


[00:21] <DeltaF> Could someone help me with a keypair issue with Amazon Cloud in EC2? I didn't lose the keypair, it's just not working in the AMI we've created.
[00:21] <SHOVELL> i am trying to get a webserver up and running and i have tried ispconfig with no luck is there a tutorial that could help me?
[00:21] <DeltaF> tutorial for ispconfig or what?
[00:23] <SHOVELL> i want to host a website and i think a ftp not sure but isp was the first tutorila i found i have isp up and running but cant see the site from outside my network
[00:24] <SHOVELL> well i also have no content either that is for later
[00:24] <DeltaF> oh..
[00:24] <DeltaF> have you tried http://<yourserver>:81 ?
[00:24] <SHOVELL> yep
[00:25] <DeltaF> where is this hosted?
[00:25] <SHOVELL> inside my network
[00:25] <DeltaF> SELinux or other firewall issues?
[00:25] <SHOVELL> hmm i dont think so
[00:25] <SHOVELL> outside of the server?
[00:26] <SHOVELL> SELinux?
[00:26] <SHOVELL> oh nvm
[00:26] <DeltaF> I've wasted many hours on its silent blocking. :)
[00:27] <SHOVELL> hmm
[00:27] <DeltaF> not sure how ISPConfig integrates itself. Dedicated service, or apache site entry?
[00:27] <SHOVELL> i think it is dedicated
[00:27] <DeltaF> did you start the service, then?
[00:28] <SHOVELL> pretty sure still really breen with server stuff
[00:28] <DeltaF> sudo /etc/init.d/ispconfig start (or something like that)
[00:28] <SHOVELL> yes every thing is running i can acess the ispconfig by the ip but no website is accessable
[00:29] <SHOVELL> ie <IP_ADDRESS>:81
[00:29] <SHOVELL> brb i gotta check
[00:32] <SHOVELL> i used http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu-10.04-lucid-lynx-ispconfig-2
[00:32] <SHOVELL> just to test so i have done everything there
[00:33] <DeltaF> have you tried <IP_ADDRESS>:8080
[00:34] <SHOVELL> checking
[00:35] <SHOVELL> i can access the isp server via port forwarding from my external (see pm)
[00:36] <DeltaF> aah.
[00:36] <SHOVELL> that works but now a www.example.com
[00:36] <SHOVELL> would you mind trying to connect to that?
[00:36] <DeltaF> in the apache config for it, does it list the IP or *:81
[00:37] <SHOVELL> hmm
[00:37] <DeltaF> hmm. that doesn't make sense necessarily.
[00:37] <SHOVELL> /etc/apache2/!
[00:37] <SHOVELL> ?
[00:37] <DeltaF> yes, look in sites-enabled
[00:37] <SHOVELL> ok looking
[00:38] <SHOVELL> with nano or something?
[00:38] <DeltaF> sure
[00:39] <SHOVELL> ok looking
[00:41] <SHOVELL> apache2.conf?
[00:42] <DeltaF> should be /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
[00:42] <DeltaF> unless it's in one file
[00:43] <SHOVELL> yes it says *:81
[00:45] <SHOVELL> be right back
[01:40] <rockets> What do you guys think would be decent bandwidth for an iSCSI target
[01:40] <rockets> Would 2 gbits be usable?
[01:54] <SHOVELL> !ispconfig 2
[02:03] <SHOVELL> i am trying to get a webserver up and running and i have tried ispconfig with no luck is there a tutorial that could help me?
[02:12] <sp4z> Hi, does anybody know how to disable screen blanking on 11.10?
[02:46] <ch33z>  does this matter for SSH? To set your OpenSSH to listen on TCP port 2222 instead of the default TCP port 22,
[02:52] <ch33z> instead of using the cli sometimes I use the FTP to copy and download files but also create folders
[03:49] <aarcane> How to provision a perfect vm from vmbuilder on oneiric ?
[05:21] <qazokm> i work at ubuntru
[05:45] <pcroque> 3
[06:24] <Zanzacar> Hi I have been looking into powernap and had a problem with the load monitor.
[06:25] <Zanzacar> After looking into it there is a python program called LoadMonitor.py
[06:25] <Zanzacar> its located in 3 different places on a my system and I was thinking about editing it and restarting the daemon to test to see if I could fix any problems I am having with the LoadMonitor
[06:26] <Zanzacar> that being said. one of the files I found was under /usr/share/pyshared/powernap/monitors would this be the code the program runs when it starts up? is there any way to check?
[06:41] <aarcane> Zanzacar, modify each file, add the eqivalent of "system logger file1" in each file, and see which one executes.
[06:43] <Zanzacar> what is system logger file1? I figured I could just move the monitor file and see what happens.
[11:18] <eagles0513875> hey guys i have a question i have some ppa urls which arent working added by a fellow admin and its causing me issues with updating my server
[11:19] <eagles0513875> how can i remove ppa's since they are not listed in the sources.list as well is there a file where they are listed?
[11:19] <Myrtti> look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[11:24] <MatBoy> mhh how long does it take to compile a kernel on a core2duo these days :(
[11:24] <eagles0513875> and Myrtti those the ppa's
[11:25] <greppy> MatBoy: I haven't tried lately, but it shouldn't take too long.  What do you need that is not supplied from the stock kernels?
[11:26] <MatBoy> greppy: scst
[11:26] <MatBoy> greppy: like this http://www.tomlecluse.be/blog/20110902/scst-and-scstadmin-ubuntu-1104
[11:27] <MatBoy> iscsitarget crashes all the time
[11:27] <greppy> MatBoy: so https://wiki.edubuntu.org/scst doesn't work?
[11:28] <MatBoy> greppy: didn't try that one
[11:28] <MatBoy> greppy: is seems that the Qlogic driver was already standard, it was selected in the kernel config
[11:29] <greppy> MatBoy: I haven't tried it myself, just did a quick search.  People seem to come to #ubuntu-server asking questions for what they *think* they want instead of what the goal is :)
[11:30] <MatBoy> greppy: I tried iscsitarget and that is crashing. I have used one of the two a couple of years ago on a ESXi test... which worked good
[11:30] <MatBoy> greppy: why don't they add scst to ubuntu ?
[11:32] <jMCg> MatBoy: what *is* scst? Who are "they"?
[11:36] <eagles0513875> hey gusy anyone have 12.04 server testing environment with the latest -17 kernel
[11:36] <eagles0513875> seems like it causes a kernel panic
[11:41] <jMCg> -17?!
[11:41] <jMCg> Oh. 12.04
[11:42] <eagles0513875> ya the -17 kernel update seems broken
[11:43] <eagles0513875> also seems to have removed the old kernel
[11:53] <chmac> How do I tell why a package was installed from the terminal? As in, was it installed manually or as a dependency.
[13:02] <chmac> Any idea if I can install php 5.2 debs from Hardy on Oneiric?
[13:42] <eagles0513875> WARNING GUYS those testing precise on a test server the latest 3.2.0-16 and -17 kernels are broken they trigger a kernel panic
[13:44] <chmac> eagles0513875: The server kernels or all kernels? I'm running precise on my primary laptop, will it affect me?
[13:44] <eagles0513875> this seems to be 3.2.0-16 and 17 generic
[13:45] <eagles0513875> im not sure if they would affect a normal ubuntu install but seems like they affect server for sure
[13:45] <eagles0513875> we reverted to the 3.0 server kernel
[13:45] <chmac> eagles0513875: I'm running 3.2.0-17-generic without issues so far on a Lenovo x301
[13:45] <eagles0513875> humm ok
[13:45] <eagles0513875> chmac: you running any test servers
[13:45] <chmac> eagles0513875: Nope
[13:46] <chmac> I gotta go eat, hope you get the kernel panic figured out eagles0513875 :-)
[13:58] <pgraner> eagles0513875, what does you panic look like?
[14:01] <eagles0513875> pgraner: this is yoru typical kernel panic on boot up will try and get a screen shot
[14:06] <eagles0513875> pgraner: very odd now the 17 is working again O_o
[14:10] <eagles0513875> 16 is still panicing
[14:22] <MatBoy> I hate this BIG time
[14:22] <MatBoy> iscsitarget is as buggy as it can get
[14:23] <pgraner> eagles0513875, need to see where it panics, looking thru git there was a rebase to .6 stable with a lot of patches
[14:23] <pgraner> eagles0513875, that is a rebase in -16
[14:24] <eagles0513875> pgraner: not to worried if 16 doesnt work cuz 17 now works and we have the 3.0 to fall back on if need be
[14:24] <MatBoy> I wonder why iscsitarget is still in and scst is not !
[14:34] <Deathvalley122> pgraner: http://picpaste.com/pics/sshot-54-r9Ohd6pH.1330180271.jpg
[14:37] <Deathvalley122> pgraner: in case you didn't see it http://picpaste.com/pics/sshot-54-r9Ohd6pH.1330180271.jpg
[14:38] <eagles0513875> thats our kernel panic with the -16
[14:41] <Deathvalley122> pgraner: http://picpaste.com/pics/sshot-55-LmLJQcdb.1330180894.jpg for 17 it seem to panic again
[15:11] <chmac> Anyone have any advice on installing PHP 5.2 on Oneiric?
[15:39] <eagles0513875> chmac:
[15:39] <eagles0513875> turns out the 17 kernel started working again after rebooting onto the 3.0 kernel
[15:39] <eagles0513875> 16 is still broken
[15:39] <chmac> eagles0513875: Happy days :-)
[15:40] <eagles0513875> chmac: yep
[15:40] <eagles0513875> odd fix but its still workin
[15:40] <Deathvalley122> not true eagles0513875 it started acting up again
[15:40] <Deathvalley122> so I had to put it back into 3.0
[15:42] <eagles0513875> Deathvalley122: really
[15:42] <eagles0513875> are there any more updates for precise?
[15:42] <eagles0513875> what did it do this time Deathvalley122
[15:43] <Deathvalley122> same kernel panic
[15:43] <Deathvalley122> as 16
[15:43] <eagles0513875> Deathvalley122: you still have the image past to show to chmac
[15:43] <Deathvalley122> ya
[15:44] <Deathvalley122> http://picpaste.com/pics/sshot-55-LmLJQcdb.1330180894.jpg
[15:44] <eagles0513875> chmac: what you think of that ^
[15:45] <chmac> eagles0513875: Not sure what I'm looking at to be honest, other than the colour scheme!
[15:45] <eagles0513875> chmac: if you click youll get full screen image
[15:45] <chmac> eagles0513875: Yeah, I did, I'm seeing kernel panic, looks like a vm spazzing out?
[15:46] <eagles0513875> chmac: no vms installed
[15:46] <Deathvalley122> just basically
[15:46] <Deathvalley122> updates for the host server
[16:37] <albert23> Deathvalley122: can you try to boot the new kernel with the additional option --no-log on the boot line? I think your panic is a result of re-enabling job logging in upstart
[16:38] <ch33z> In the DNS client configuration I already have by default when setting up so do i leave as is cuz it says in the config to use the dns servers but the isp already put them there. paste.ubuntu.com/856699
[16:38] <Deathvalley122> I can try albert23
[16:39] <ch33z> yea
[16:44] <Canadian1296> I noticed when I installed ubuntu server I had the option to add "DNS server" (under LAMP, OpenSSH, etc). I didn't install it, but what does it do? I'm currently using freedns.afraid.org as my DNS server, so what's that for?
[17:05] <joschi> Canadian1296: it installs a task selection which includes an authoritative nameserver (bind)
[17:06] <Canadian1296> joschi: But how can you be your own DNS server?
[17:07] <joschi> Canadian1296: uhm, just install and configure the software. if you want to serve some domain names in the internet you also have to register with your registry
[17:07] <Canadian1296> joschi: I got an explanation from #ubuntu. Thanks though :)
[17:47] <rmk> Is there a global method for preventing newly installed packages from starting any associated daemons/services?
[17:47] <SpamapS> rmk: yes
[17:48] <rmk> SpamapS: Awesome, details? :)
[17:49] <SpamapS> rmk: man invoke-rc.d ... you want to create a script called /usr/sbin/policy-rc.d that returns 100 I believe..
[17:49] <rmk> Appreciate it, thanks
[17:49] <rmk> We've been fighting it -- I should have asked sooner
[17:49] <SpamapS> rmk: /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.policy-rc.d eplains it too I think
[17:50] <rmk> cheers
[17:52] <rmk> And using this, dpkg installations won't report an error on denial?
[17:53] <SpamapS> rm	right
[17:53] <SpamapS> rmk: right
[17:58] <rmk> So if I'm understanding correctly, the policy script is executed first rather than invoke
[18:03] <SpamapS> rmk: invoke executes policy
[18:03] <SpamapS> rmk: if policy returns the "don't start me" code, then the service is gracefully left alone.
[18:04] <rmk> I'll have to find an example to clear this up a bit for me
[18:09] <SpamapS> rmk: its pretty simple really
[18:10] <SpamapS> rmk: if you just want dpkg to never mess with any services,   #!/bin/sh\nexit 101
[18:16] <rmk> SpamapS: thanks again, this saves a lot of pain
[18:26] <rmk> This works great.
[18:26] <rmk> One other question.  Is there a way to use predictable uid/gids for packages which create users and groups?
[18:26] <rmk> The only way we've found is to overlay our own passwd/group files ahead of the install
[18:34] <Ho^Oh> Is it normal to take an hour or so to install Ubuntu Server from Ubuntu Server Disk?
[18:36] <rmk> Ho^Oh: It can -- depending on your net connection.  Even though it's off the disk it still downloads the latest packages.
[18:37] <rmk> Usually it's a lot faster than that, so either you have a slow connection or are hitting a busy mirror.
[18:38] <Ho^Oh> But it's a real live server for goodness sakes.
[18:39] <Ho^Oh> Thing downloads faster than my computer,.
[18:44] <rmk> Don't know what to tell you.
[18:44] <rmk> That's probably what's happening though.
[18:46] <ChmEarl> Ho^Oh, if it takes 1 hour for server, be glad it's not Desktop.. might take 4-5 hours
[18:51] <ruben23> guys any help on how to correct this error problem on my ubuntu-server-----> http://pastebin.com/QgWqn1Lg
[18:51] <Ho^Oh> O
[18:51] <Ho^Oh> M
[18:51] <Ho^Oh> G Finally!
[18:52] <Ho^Oh> ChmEarl: You need to get yourself a " <IP_ADDRESS>-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 kernel" then.
[18:57] <ruben23> Ho^Oh: help how to get it and installed it on ubuntu server..?
[18:59] <ruben23> guys how to install the source kernel of this..? ---> <IP_ADDRESS>-grsec-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 kernel"
[18:59] <Ho^Oh> ruben23: You can give this a try: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[19:00] <ruben23> see this the kernel header dont match the version at all on my installed kerne---> http://pastebin.com/Q6fNpAU3
[19:01] <ruben23> kernel*
[19:02] <ruben23> any idea guys..?
[19:03] <ruben23> is there anyway to replace the kernel..? to the default of ubuntu server 10.04 LTS
[19:12] <Ho^Oh> Or: just apt-get install linux-headers
[19:12] <ruben23> http://pastebin.com/Q6fNpAU3  <---------------------this is the result
[20:25] <Ho^Oh> ruben23: Did it work?
[20:27] <MatBoy> ah no... again... on this HP machine Ubuntu sees only one sata disk during the install
[20:28] <MatBoy> I hate this
[20:28] <Eruadan> hey! Does anyone have the link to node.js package for ubuntu lucid 10.04 ?
[20:32] <MatBoy> mhh
[20:32] <MatBoy> even fdisk is not in the installer
[20:35] <Ho^Oh> My Ubuntu-Server doesn't boot no matter what I install/configure.        The server uses a 2TB HD, and uess I tried GPT and that fails too.
[20:35] <Ho^Oh> Are there alternative ways to install other than chroot?
[20:36] <MatBoy> Ho^Oh: Ubuntu is doing weird these days it seems
[20:36] <MatBoy> :S
[20:36] <Ho^Oh> I just don't know why this is happening. -.-
[20:37] <MatBoy> after an upgrade form 10.04 to 11.10 or 11.04 to 11.10 it changed sdc to sdb
[20:37] <Ho^Oh> OH WOW!
[20:37] <Ho^Oh> I thought grub was my problem, it's something depeer than grub.
[20:37] <MatBoy> or there are some weird shared sata shitty things on this machine
[20:37] <Ho^Oh> I was using this tutorial: http://forum.ovh.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3787            <--- This tutorial works on harddrives that are not oversized.
[20:38] <Ho^Oh> I just do not know what I'm doing wrong.  I installed the way I usually do it, of course that fails. I tried GPT partitioning.  I tried grub1 and grub2, still fails.
[20:38] <MatBoy> this sucks
[20:39] <Ho^Oh> And CHROOT is the only way I can do this.
[20:39] <MatBoy> I have had this working but I dont want to upgrade again after my install
[20:39] <Ho^Oh> Because I do not own the computer, I have very little info of the server I'm working on.
[20:39] <Ho^Oh> I only know this: 1. It's 64bit. 2. intel i5 processor. 3. 2TB space.
[20:41] <Ho^Oh> MatBoy: Then don't upgrade unless you know the changes.
[20:41] <Ho^Oh> I hate how all the ubuntu install instructions are so outdated.
[20:42] <MatBoy> Ho^Oh: I need new packages all the time
[20:42] <MatBoy> downloading 32 bits now... on a core2duo ??
[20:42] <MatBoy> wtf
[20:43] <Ho^Oh> Why new packages?        If you don't mind telling me.
[20:44] <MatBoy> Ho^Oh: new features and so on
[20:44] <MatBoy> I dev my own webcluster software
[20:46] <Ho^Oh> MatBoy: Alrighties.
[20:46] <Ho^Oh> I'm just trying to run a web server.
[21:21] <MatBoy> I hate this really... it seems to be an odd issue
[21:26] <RoyK> MatBoy: what?
[21:27] <RoyK> MatBoy: device name change?
[21:56] <MatBoy> RoyK: yes
[21:57] <MatBoy> and 11.10 doesn't want to see the second disk and changed sda to sdb when I change connectors 1-2 to 3
[21:57] <MatBoy> I made a bug about it
[21:57] <RoyK> probably a driver thing
[21:57] <RoyK> for different drivers, it's a matter of driver load order
[21:57] <RoyK> MatBoy: same controller type/driver on both ports?
[21:58] <MatBoy> RoyK: yes
[21:58] <RoyK> can you pastebin lshw?
[21:58] <MatBoy> RoyK: I have seens someone with the same issue with no clue
[21:58] <MatBoy> nope... installer
[21:58] <RoyK> try a live cd
[21:58] <MatBoy> yeah can do that... tomorrow... busy all day with it !!
[21:59] <MatBoy> and I need Ubuntu because of orchestra
[21:59] <MatBoy> but even the iscsitarget is crashing on ubuntu... it crashes the whole kernel and scst needs to be compiled :S
[21:59] <MatBoy> bah
[21:59] <MatBoy> :P
[22:01] <RoyK> MatBoy: which version?
[22:29] <SHOVELL> hey i am looking for a guide for how to setup a server that i can host files like this site does http://<IP_ADDRESS>/repo/ for a online game i play
[22:38] <Danny_Joris> Hi, I have two ubuntu images on my mac. I both want to set network configuration in virtualbox to NAT and host-only. When I do that I get a certain ip address. When I want to ssh in into my vm I get a big warning, probably because the key is saved in known hosts for my 1st VM and I'm trying to access the same ip address, but with another vm running.
[22:38] <Danny_Joris> how can I change the ip address of the second VM?
[22:39] <guntbert> !crosspost | Danny_Joris
[22:40] <Danny_Joris> guntbert: hah - you got me.. :p
[22:40] <Danny_Joris> sorry
[22:40] <guntbert> Danny_Joris: no worries :)
[22:47] <SHOVELL> hey i am looking for a guide for how to setup a server that i can host files like this site does http://<IP_ADDRESS>/repo/ for a online game i play
[22:48] <SHOVELL> i have a apache server setup but how to share the files so they are acessable online?
[22:48] <airtonix> port forwarding?
[22:49] <SHOVELL> well i can access the server online but i dont know how to have the files accessable
[22:49] <SHOVELL> go to http://<IP_ADDRESS> that is me
[22:51] <SHOVELL> is it that i have to have a "site" or can i just tell it to use a folder and display the content
[22:51] <SHOVELL> ie the above mentionned site
[23:09] <airtonix> you need to investigate apache directives like indexes. first try deleting the /var/www/index.html
[23:10] <airtonix> you might also find this useful : http://larsjung.de/h5ai/sample/
[23:27] <Cluster> Hi, how do i remove a module from the dkms tree?