[00:02] <tuxcrafter> I can here my hdd turning on and off even when executed the sudo hdparm -B 255 /dev/sda command and the -i options indicates the APM is disabled
[00:02] <tuxcrafter> it started happening after removing some service
[00:06] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: are you still ther
[00:09] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: i have to leave know, thanks for the all the help, hopefully i talk to you soon again, you now how to reach me on the xubuntu devel list
[00:19] <Mark76> Okay. So I was, erm, doing something when all of a sudden the mouse and keyboard became unresponsive and pressing the power button on hte PC just switched it off
[00:20] <Mark76> No boot down or anything
[00:21] <Mark76> Is it just me who gets that?
[00:33] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: Last serious problem I found
[00:33] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: when I start xubuntu with startx and I start oowriter
[00:33] <tuxcrafter> it does not use the gtk theme
[00:34] <tuxcrafter> removing the .openoffice... does not work
[00:34] <tuxcrafter> I had this problem also under the previous xubuntu releases
[00:34] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: any ideas how to fix this?
[00:35] <tuxcrafter> now i will really go to sleep
[00:36] <Mark76> Night Tuxcrafter
[00:36] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: oowriter --widgets-set ....
[00:36] <tuxcrafter> just dont know the whanted set yet
[00:37] <Mark76> What do I need to do to get 3D desktop working under XFCE, again, Sheep?
[00:38] <excalibas> hello, how can i chose which programs start on boot? i have 7 nm-applets each time i restart... please help
[00:39] <Mark76> Autostarted Applications? Excalibas
[00:39] <excalibas> Mark76, yes, where do i change that?
[00:40] <Mark76> In settings, dera Excalibas, dear Excalibas
[00:40] <Mark76> In settings, dear Excalibas, dear Excalibas... Settings
[00:40] <Mark76> :D
[00:40] <Mark76> Sory
[00:40] <Mark76> Sorry
[00:40] <Mark76> Fucking typing
[00:40] <Mark76> Sorry
[00:41] <Mark76> I hate typing
[00:41] <excalibas> Mark76, but i only have one network manager there, and xubuntu is opening 7
[00:41] <Mark76> Hmm
[00:41] <excalibas> eacho time i start mn.applet in the console window it starts one more...
[00:41] <Mark76> Sounds like your session manager is playing silly buggers
[00:41] <excalibas> yeah very silly :)
[00:42] <Mark76> Try removing network manager from AA
[00:43] <excalibas> and restart and add again?=
[00:43] <Mark76> Yeah
[00:43] <Mark76> If you know where to find it
[00:43] <excalibas> i try that thanks
[00:43] <Mark76> NM is in my autostarts and I haven't had that problem
[00:46] <excalibas> i didnt had the problem before, but when i install my wifi usb with ndswraper the network manager doesnt recoginise the wifi, so i start mn-applet in console and i have wifi, but when i restart there was no more nm, suddenly i have 7...
[00:46] <Mark76> Ah
[00:46] <Mark76> In that case I have no idea what you should do
[00:46] <Mark76> Wifi is outside my experience
[00:47] <excalibas> hi will try your idea
[00:47] <excalibas> brb
[00:47] <Mark76> Okay
[00:47] <excalibas> and thanks a lot
[00:47] <Mark76> I just hope it doesn't go wrong
[00:48] <GBladeCL> I'm having some issues, could someone help?
[00:48] <Mark76> Probably
[00:50] <GBladeCL> I'm new to xubuntu/linux. I just installed xubuntu 6.10, I'm tying to get my wireless card to work.
[00:50] <Mark76> Ugh
[00:50] <Mark76> Well I certainly can't
[00:50] <Mark76> Sorry :(
[00:50] <GBladeCL> oh...
[00:51] <GBladeCL> well specifically I'm having trouble getting ndiswrapper working
[00:51] <Mark76> Isn't everyone?
[00:51] <GBladeCL> I don't know are they?
[00:51] <Mark76> Evil tech might be able to help
[00:51] <keb> didnt they improve a lot of drivers in 7.10?
[00:52] <Mark76> I don't use wireless, so I don't really know
[00:52] <GBladeCL> well when I try to connect it hangs and the caps/scroll blink
[00:53] <Mark76> Odd
[00:53] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: I cant get openoffice to use the gtk theme when xubuntu is started with xstart
[00:53] <tuxcrafter> openoffice --widgets-set gtk
[00:53] <tuxcrafter> does not work
[00:54] <ir4d0m> im trying to change my ip address... how do i do it? besides tor
[00:54] <tuxcrafter> openoffice.org-gtk is installed
[00:56] <GBladeCL> It seems there are some forum post with the same prob.  I'll try there sugestions.
[00:56] <Mark76> Okay
[00:56] <Mark76> And I've no idea how to change IP address, r4d0m
[00:57] <Mark76> I didn't even know you could change your IP address
[00:57] <keb> ir4d0m are you using a router?
[00:58] <ir4d0m> yes i am
[00:58] <tuxcrafter> i have to go
[00:58] <Mark76> Night tux
[00:58] <tuxcrafter> the openoffice problem is very bad for me
[00:59] <keb> ir4d0m what do you want to change from and to?
[00:59] <ir4d0m> umm im trying to change my ip address so i can get onto a site im ip banned for
[00:59] <ir4d0m> by accedintly saying G@Y*
[01:00] <ir4d0m> which is sorta ghey...
[01:00] <keb> ah
[01:00] <zoredache> power cycle your router
[01:00] <ir4d0m> how i do that?
[01:00] <keb> you could use a proxy
[01:00] <zoredache> unplug the power, then plug it in again
[01:00] <ir4d0m> but im sorta stuck on installing tor... linux confusing me
[01:00] <Mark76> What site is that then, 4d0m?
[01:00] <keb> yeah and unplug your modem and replug
[01:00] <zoredache> wait a few minutes after it is off
[01:01] <ir4d0m> and zoredache... ive tried it on modem and router
[01:01] <ir4d0m> ummm gamespot.com
[01:01] <ir4d0m> and wtclan.com
[01:01] <mindframe-> can you use xfs with the alternate installer?
[01:01] <Mark76> Ah
[01:01] <Mark76> Geigh!
[01:01] <ir4d0m> noidea
[01:01] <Mark76> :D
[01:01] <zoredache> I believe so mindframe-
[01:02] <ir4d0m> ummm sorta confused... linux nub =)
[01:02] <keb> ir4d0m what stage are you at installing tor?
[01:02] <crimsun_> mindframe-: yes, you can.
[01:03] <ir4d0m> umm the step after installing it
[01:03] <Mark76> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Panda_Cub_from_Wolong%2C_Sichuan%2C_China.JPG/800px-Panda_Cub_from_Wolong%2C_Sichuan%2C_China.JPG
[01:03] <Mark76> Aww :)
[01:03] <ir4d0m> nice pic mark =)
[01:03] <Mark76> Cute
[01:04] <keb> ir4d0m tor instructions are at http://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-doc-unix.html.en
[01:04] <ir4d0m> i had prblem with privory
[01:04] <ir4d0m> privroxy*
[01:04] <Mark76> Has anyone got compiz working on xubuntu?
[01:05] <ir4d0m> this is xubuntus help??? DANGIT IM RUNNING FLUXBOX
[01:05] <keb> lol
[01:05] <ir4d0m> plus ubuntu... but ubuntu is to crowded for me.... XD
[01:05] <keb> what was the problem with privoxy?
[01:05] <keb> ir4d0m there is #tor for tor help ;)
[01:05] <ir4d0m> i did know which one to install... 0.os
[01:06] <Mark76> Is Fluxbuntu available for download yet?
[01:06] <ir4d0m> 0.o
[01:06] <keb> Mark76 i had it working with version 7.04 but i didnt need all the fancy stuff so took it off when i upgraded to 7.10
[01:07] <ir4d0m> this place confuses me...
[01:07] <Mark76> How long before it's in the repos?  I want to have a look at it
[01:07] <ir4d0m> tor is quiet*
[01:07] <Mark76> tors
[01:08] <ir4d0m> o
[01:08] <ir4d0m> lol
[01:09] <ir4d0m> keb is over on tor asking me the same questions..
[01:09] <keb> hehe
[01:09] <keb> well this isnt the right place for tor questions
[01:09] <ir4d0m> o
[01:09] <Mark76> You had compiz working in 7.04, keb?
[01:10] <keb> yeah i followed the detailed instructions on someone's page and ran a shell script
[01:10] <Mark76> What's your system specs?
[01:11] <keb> celeron 1.7Ghz, NVidia fx5200
[01:11] <keb> 512MB ram
[01:11] <Mark76> Ah
[01:11] <Mark76> Mine are a tad more modest
[01:11] <ir4d0m> LOL
[01:12] <ir4d0m> i got 1gb ram and 2.8ghz intel pentium 4 processer
[01:12] <Mark76> 883 GHz, NVidia Riva TNT2 and 256MB of ram
[01:12] <ir4d0m> used to be a gaming computer until i screwed windows up and lost my recovery cds =)
[01:12] <Mark76> Have you tried any of the Linux games, r4d0m?
[01:13] <excalibasr_> Mark76,  didnt work...
[01:13] <Mark76> Oh dear
[01:14] <ir4d0m> nope... besdies bzflag
[01:14] <ir4d0m> lol
[01:14] <ir4d0m> and tuxkart
[01:14] <Mark76> Alien Arena?
[01:14] <excalibasr_> i removed network and network and network manager from the autostarted aplications and i still have 6 nm-applets when i restart
[01:15] <Mark76> That's one less than you had before :D
[01:15] <ir4d0m> lol
[01:15] <excalibasr_> hehe yeah
[01:15] <ir4d0m> im trying to get wine w/ WoW on here
[01:15] <ir4d0m> mayb maplestory also
[01:15] <ir4d0m> lol
[01:15] <excalibasr_> isnt there a file somewere that i can edit?
[01:15] <Mark76> Install Alien Arena, you might like it
[01:16] <Mark76> I assume you play first person shooters
[01:16] <ir4d0m> yeah
[01:16] <ir4d0m> ill download it later
[01:16] <Mark76> Well, there you go!
[01:17] <excalibasr_> where does xubuntu go see whe aplications to start?
[01:18] <Mark76> Dunno
[01:19] <excalibur> is there a way to shut nm-applet from the console?
[01:19] <excalibur> to shut down
[01:20] <Mark76> kill nm-applet?
[01:20] <ir4d0m> sudo apt shutdown program ?
[01:20] <ir4d0m> lol
[01:20] <excalibur> like sudo apt shutdown nm-applet?
[01:20] <Mark76> sudo kill nm-applet?
[01:21] <excalibur> what is the diference?
[01:21] <Mark76> kill and killall are the Linux commands for shutting down programs
[01:23] <excalibur> ok, i will try to shutdown from the console, but it shouldnt be diferent from using the process manager
[01:23] <excalibur> c u
[01:23] <Mark76> Okay
[01:23] <Mark76> Good luck
[01:29] <Mark76> I hate tar.gz files
[01:29] <Mark76> But I'll deal with that later
[01:29] <keb> why
[01:30] <Mark76> They're hassle to get working
[01:30] <Mark76> All the command line gymnastics you have to do
[01:31] <Mark76> I hate them
[01:31] <Mark76> There should be a program that deals with them
[01:32] <Mark76> Unzip, install, Bob's your Aunty's husband
[01:35] <ir4d0m> install bob;s your aunty'x husband nude
[01:35] <ir4d0m> GROSS DUDE
[01:35] <Mark76> :p
[01:38] <Mark76> I'm going to bed
[01:38] <Mark76> With YOUR MOTHER
[01:38] <Mark76> :p
[01:38] <Mark76> Night :D
[01:38] <ir4d0m> ok is the grave big enough though
[02:10] <mattz> hey'
[02:10] <mattz> anyone help me?
[02:10] <keb> maybe
[02:10] <mattz> cant get my wireless to working on xubuntu
[02:11] <keb> when you go to Applications, System, Network, does it see your wireless hardware ?
[02:11] <mattz> nope
[02:12] <mattz> should i use firmware?
[02:12] <mattz> i use firmware and it doesn't show up
[02:12] <keb> what do you mean firmware
[02:13] <mattz> under the restricted drivers
[02:13] <mattz> i have a broadcom 4306
[02:14] <keb> ah ok
[02:14] <keb> is it enabled
[02:17] <mattz> is what
[02:17] <mattz> my wireless enabled?
[02:17] <keb> the driver
[02:17] <mattz> how do i check
[02:17] <mattz> well not now
[02:17] <mattz> cause i tried using ndiswrapper
[02:17] <keb> you will see a red x or something if it isnt
[02:17] <mattz> lemme go back to firmware
[02:18] <keb> oic
[02:18] <mattz> well it hasn't been enabled at all
[02:18] <keb> are you running xubuntu 7.10 ?
[02:18] <mattz> yes
[02:19] <mattz> im going to reinstall it h/o
[02:20] <keb> did you check this topic http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=201902
[02:21] <mattz> yea thats the one i tried after i tried the firmware
[02:21] <keb> hmm ok i can't help anymore then
[02:21] <mattz> should i try it again after reinstalling
[02:22] <keb> not sure if there is a coherent set of instructions there
[02:22] <mattz> i went step by step
[02:22] <mattz> ill try it again
[02:23] <mattz> maybe the firmware messed it up
[02:23] <keb> normally you shouldnt change firmware unless it is really a broken card
[02:23] <mattz> well should i use my card using the firmware or the ndiswrapper?
[02:24] <keb> dunno
[02:24] <keb> this posting seems to have it down to a routine http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3264682&postcount=628
[02:24] <keb> ndiswrapper
[02:25] <mattz> ok
[02:27] <mattz> this might take forever
[03:31] <cyros> hey guys i just started up my xubuntu laptop and it wants to download 62 updates, but i also want to upgrade to 7.10 can i just press upgrade to 7.10 or should i dl the 62 updates first?
[03:31] <zoredache> cyros: it shouldn't matter, you can probably do the upgrade
[03:32] <cyros> oh ok
[03:32] <cyros> thanks
[04:09] <baty> hi
[04:09] <baty> need help xubuntu should run in a PII 333mhhz 256dimm?
[04:12] <grommithockey> baty: I believe it should be fine
[04:12] <grommithockey> I'm using PIII 450Mhz with 256dimm
[04:13] <baty> k will try again
[04:14] <grommithockey> What problem are you having?
[04:22] <baty> cd
[04:22] <baty> i will burn it for third time
[04:23] <grommithockey> baty: I've seen people have problems with this
[04:23] <grommithockey> Make sure you are burning as .iso
[04:24] <cyros> try using the alt cds with the text installer
[04:25] <cyros-> my connection crapped out...so im not sure if it went through, but try the alt cd with the text installer, my laptop didnt like the installer on the bootable cd
[04:29] <juliodominguez> hello
[04:36] <cyros-> hello
[04:38] <juliodominguez> hi i have a sony vaio model pcg-fx370 i was wondering if you guys can help me install the drivers for the screen resolution the highest resolution i can get is 800*600 and when i had windows i could get 1024*768
[05:24] <Pownties> Would Xubuntu work better on my older system than Ubuntu ?
[05:25] <Pownties> In Ubuntu things would take 30 seconds to load, then the damn windows would animate when closing/opening, etc
[05:25] <Pownties> and lag when you alt + tab
[05:25] <Pownties> Worse than windows xp ever thought about
[05:41] <zoredache> it could work faster
[05:46] <Pownties> 'could' and 'will' are 2 things
[05:46] <Pownties> lol
[05:47] <ice109> anyone in here?
[05:49] <zoredache> sorta
[05:49] <ice109> id like to make the sidebar tree in thunar a little more like windows
[05:50] <ice109> where it has desktop at the top or somewhere permanently
[05:51] <zoredache> sadly I don't have any answers for you
[06:01] <keitherz> hellooooo
[06:01] <zoredache> hi
[06:01] <keitherz> anyone here knows a NTFS recovery tool for linux
[06:02] <keitherz> my windows partition got vroken
[07:23] <Pownties> zoredache Do you think I should give Xubuntu a try?
[07:24] <Pownties> Or do you think it would be pointless like Gnome/Ubuntu
[07:24] <Pownties> ?
[07:35] <zoredache> I think xubuntu will be an improvment in general, but some resource-hog applications (firefox) will run just as bad on both
[07:50] <LastMall> maybe a commandline install, then add kde-core, then add things from there one by one.
[08:02] <cellofellow> ahhh, I'm using GNOME and I miss good-old Bulk Rename. That really is a great utility and I wonder why it's so unique: never come across anything quite like it.
[08:15] <hl3fx> hi
[08:17] <hl3fx> im having some trouble installing my PCMCIA wireless card.  iv been at it for some time now, its an avaya wireless gold w/ orinoco chipset.  im using Xubuntu gutsy with all the latest updates.  iv been through a lot of threads in the forums and guides, cant seem to get things to work right.
[08:17] <hl3fx> a bit of a newb,
[08:18] <cyros> anyone know where that new finder thing in xubuntu 7.10 is?
[08:18] <cyros> or whats its called
[08:19] <cyros> or is it a gnome thing only?
[08:20] <hl3fx> the drivers are pre-installed i know.  when i plug it in it comes up as eth2.  i want to install the latest orinoco .15 drivers although i get a "wireless extensions are not enabled".  i found a tutorial on how to edit the kernel to enable them, although im having trouble implementing the new kernel
[08:21] <hl3fx> i get "wireless extensions are not enabled" when i do a make in the driver folder.
[08:21] <hl3fx> anyone have any pointers?
[10:21] <Adriaan_> Hola
[10:44] <schlumpf-> hi how do i kill a zombie prozess which does not show up under top
[10:47] <predaeus> schlumpf-, does it show up with "ps -e"?
[10:47] <schlumpf-> yes
[10:48] <schlumpf-> i used the pit to kill with signal 7 but nothing happend
[10:49] <schlumpf-> i thought 7 is the nuklear bomb under the kill signals....
[10:50] <schlumpf-> what could i try next i realy dont want to reboot
[10:52] <predaeus> 15 is SIGTERM, 9 is SIGKILL (which you are refering to)
[10:52] <predaeus> you should always try 15 first
[10:52] <predaeus> only use 9 if it is absolutely necessary
[10:52] <schlumpf-> well 15 dident work
[10:52] <predaeus> see "man kill"
[10:53] <schlumpf-> thx 9 worked
[10:54] <predaeus> schlumpf-, the thing is 15 allows some programs to finish important tasks like writing something to disk, 9 just kills them, might get configs messed up or something like that
[10:54] <predaeus> that's why you should always try 15 first and not be lazy :-D
[10:55] <Adriaan_> I'm not able to install 7.10, so my question is: is Dapper alright?
[10:55] <schlumpf-> yes i know that but its just a game which reguraly does it
[10:55] <predaeus> Adriaan_, reading the #ubuntu logs
[11:00] <predaeus> Adriaan_, <ubot3> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[11:01] <predaeus> Adriaan_, there is different ways mentioned in those links to isntall without a CD
[11:01] <Adriaan_> predaeus, thanks
[11:03] <tuxcrafter> Hello everybody
[11:03] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: hello again
[11:04] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: did you remember my notes from yesterday ?
[11:04] <tuxcrafter> I cant get openoffice to use the gtk theme when xubuntu is started with xstart
[11:04] <tuxcrafter> openoffice --widgets-set gtk does not work here
[11:04] <predaeus> why don't you use gdm then?
[11:07] <ivan_> hello, i'm trying to install xubuntu 7.10 und have started the installation cd with the second option. "secure graphic mode" or something like that. it is asking for username. what should I type in?
[11:08] <predaeus> ivan_, can't you just hit enter or so?
[11:09] <predaeus> did you try ubuntu or root?
[11:09] <predaeus> wait!
[11:09] <predaeus> you mean the mask that asks for your username to use for the installation? or does it require you to log into something?
[11:10] <predaeus> ah, ok seen it in #ubuntu
[11:10] <predaeus> oh man, sorry I nearly lead you wrong there.
[11:10] <tuxcrafter> predaeus: because it slow down my system with unwanted programs
[11:11] <predaeus> tuxcrafter, openoffice is a beast. gdm should not be that big of an impact.
[11:11] <predaeus> but I understand what you mean. sorry I don't know a fix.
[11:11] <tuxcrafter> predaeus: do you have the same problem when you start your system with startx only
[11:12] <tuxcrafter> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[11:12] <tuxcrafter> startx
[11:12] <tuxcrafter> oowriter
[11:12] <predaeus> hm going to check, brb
[11:12] <tuxcrafter> ack
[11:16] <predaeus> tuxcrafter, oowriter looks fine with gtk here, with or without gdm.
[11:16] <tuxcrafter> predaeus: hmm hmm that can't be good
[11:16] <tuxcrafter> testing here
[11:16] <tuxcrafter> i got the same problem with feisty
[11:17] <tuxcrafter> its not and therefor too
[11:17] <tuxcrafter> starting gdm
[11:17] <tuxcrafter> brb
[11:17] <predaeus> tuxcrafter, k
[11:18] <neur2> hello
[11:18] <tuxcrafter> hmm its broken in gdm too
[11:19]  * tuxcrafter going to debug mode
[11:19] <tuxcrafter> sudo aptitude purge openoffice.org-gtk
[11:20] <neur2> how do I turn off the compositor from the term, cannot start X
[11:20] <tuxcrafter> sudo aptitude install openoffice.org-gtk
[11:20] <tuxcrafter> still borken
[11:20] <tuxcrafter> damm whats wrong here
[11:21] <predaeus> hm
[11:23] <predaeus> tuxcrafter, have you installed openoffice.org2-writer or openoffice.org-writer (I've got the latter)
[11:23] <predaeus> "org"
[11:23] <predaeus> also I have sun's java implementation installed.
[11:23] <predaeus> I think ooo needs java. not sure though.
[11:24] <tuxcrafter> Note, selecting openoffice.org-writer instead of openoffice.org2-writer
[11:24] <tuxcrafter> openoffice.org-writer is already the newest version.
[11:24] <tuxcrafter> also got the free java installed
[11:24] <tuxcrafter> (it have been working
[11:24] <predaeus> ? so it worked before you stopped using gdm?
[11:25] <ivan_> predaeus, no, it doesn't work
[11:25] <ivan_> authentication failure or something like that
[11:26] <tuxcrafter> predaeus: indeed
[11:26] <predaeus> ivan_, ? where?
[11:26] <predaeus> tuxcrafter, weirdnessss
[11:26] <tuxcrafter> i hate this
[11:26] <tuxcrafter> so hard to debug
[11:26] <predaeus> tuxcrafter, probably some hidden gnome dependency or something
[11:26] <tuxcrafter> hmm I removed all gnome stugg
[11:27] <tuxcrafter> standby lets test
[11:27] <tuxcrafter> enabeling gnome support
[11:27] <tuxcrafter> brb
[11:28] <tuxcrafter> predaeus: found it
[11:28] <tuxcrafter> its indead a hidden gnome deb
[11:28] <tuxcrafter> damm it
[11:28] <predaeus> :-D
[11:28] <tuxcrafter> that so sucks
[11:28] <predaeus> indeed
[11:28] <tuxcrafter> we have to fix this
[11:29] <tuxcrafter> lets see if i can find the hidden lib
[11:35] <slow-motion> hallo
[11:36] <Adriaan_> Hallo
[11:40] <tuxcrafter> LaunchGnome=true
[11:40] <tuxcrafter> searching all files in the system know
[11:41] <tuxcrafter> sudo find / -type f -exec grep -H -n "LaunchGnome" '{}' \;
[11:54] <bgergo94> hi
[11:54] <bgergo94> I have a small problem
[11:55] <bgergo94> when i connect my wifi adapter, the xubuntu goes very slow and i can't reboot
[11:55] <bgergo94> Just with the reset button on my computer
[11:59] <tuxcrafter> /me is getting the xfce4-session source code
[12:04] <predaeus> ohmy :-D
[12:05] <nikolam> tuxcrafter: Where is source code located , once it is downloaded with apt-get?
[12:05] <tuxcrafter> nikolam: in your home folder :-p
[12:05] <nikolam> I want to compile enigmail for iceape
[12:05] <tuxcrafter> apt-get source xfce4-session
[12:06] <nikolam> no no, when I install source with apt-get sources _package_
[12:06] <nikolam> And where to go to compile?
[12:08] <nikolam> tuxcrafter: Where will you go in shell, to start compiling your package?
[12:09] <tuxcrafter> nikolam: at the place with the config files
[12:09] <nikolam> ???
[12:10] <nikolam> tuxcrafter: Per instance, where that xfce4 source code will be unpacked?
[12:10] <tuxcrafter> nikolam: ??
[12:11] <nikolam> We don`t understand each other..
[12:11] <tuxcrafter> cd $HOME/xfce4-session-4.4.1
[12:11] <tuxcrafter> make
[12:11] <tuxcrafter> first config
[12:12] <nikolam> Aaaaaah
[12:12] <nikolam> I never imagined it could be in my ~
[12:13] <nikolam> its so stupit, and its im My /home/user dir but with root permitions
[12:13] <nikolam> so if I need to backup my /home ... aargh
[12:14] <tuxcrafter> ??
[12:14] <tuxcrafter> dont use sudo when getting the source!
[12:14] <nikolam> Is there any way to alternate that location where source is, during install?
[12:14] <tuxcrafter> dont know maybe
[12:14] <nikolam> But I used apt-get to get source..
[12:14] <nikolam> apt-get needs sudo, right?
[12:15] <nikolam> maybe i should login and compile as other user when getting source..
[12:16] <tuxcrafter> predaeus: found the file xfsm-compat-gnome.c
[12:16] <predaeus> nikolam, you can move those files from your home anywhere you like as sudo
[12:16] <predaeus> g
[12:17] <nikolam> Do I need to remove sources them with apt-get or do I can just delete them and get sources as other user?
[12:19] <nikolam> OK, My mistake is that I was thinknig that sources acts like a packages if they are installed with apt-get.
[12:19] <predaeus> nikolam, check "man apt-get"
[12:19] <nikolam> They just doenload and unpack, don`t they?
[12:19] <nikolam> OK
[12:20] <predaeus> yes the man pages state that source "packages" are not tracked by apt-get. read it anyway though
[12:20] <nikolam> doing man
[12:26] <tuxcrafter> predaeus: cant directly point the cause of the oowriter gtk issue in the source files :-(
[12:29] <tuxcrafter> predaeus: using the xfce gnome support is costing me 10MB only to be able to use openoffice gtk widgets :-S
[12:31] <tuxcrafter> predaeus: also the gtk widgets of firefox thunderbird and openwriter are buggy, they put the icons to close to the left black menu line of the new gusty theme, do you see it to
[12:34] <tuxcrafter> predaeus: if you see this too please support me by posting a message at these bugs
[12:34] <tuxcrafter> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/135230
[12:34] <tuxcrafter> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/135231
[12:37] <tuxcrafter> would also be nice if somebody backed me up with this bug :-p
[12:37] <tuxcrafter> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/135230
[12:37] <tuxcrafter> just test if you have the same issue and post a comment
[12:37] <tuxcrafter> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/+bug/135120
[12:41] <nikolam> I found that open office does not work beacouse of fglrx driver
[12:41] <tuxcrafter> i have to leave know
[12:41] <tuxcrafter> got a meeting
[12:41] <nikolam> hay
[12:41] <tuxcrafter> I will be back in 6 hours
[12:41] <nikolam> Just have this im mind
[12:41] <tuxcrafter> bye gys
[12:41] <nikolam> I changed fglrx
[12:41] <tuxcrafter> guys
[12:41] <nikolam> And now ooo works
[13:02] <slow-motion> bye
[13:14] <nikolam> hi.
[14:06] <dazjorz> Hi
[14:06] <dazjorz> I just closed my laptop lid and when I reopened it, all I had was a black screen with a white cursor
[14:06] <dazjorz> I tried getting control back, by pressing Ctrl+Alt+F1, 'CRT/LCD' button, and SSHing in,  but it didn't help; I had to reboot
[14:07] <dazjorz> Somebody in #xfce thought it was a hibernation problem - how do I turn hibernation off ?
[14:07] <sukae> hello
[14:08] <[chr0n0s]> hello, i tried some commands with xfwm4 --replace (and some options) and now at login xfwm4 won't start
[14:08] <[chr0n0s]> so one way to fix this is put xfwm4 --replace in the startup files, or is there a better way
[14:09] <dazjorz> Ah the bug is already reported, https://bugs.launchpad.net/xorg-server/+bug/138256
[14:11] <sukae> is there a codec that allows mkv to play in gxine
[14:12] <sukae> I have more than the usual amount of gstreamer video codecs and I've even tried vlc
[14:16] <LeChacal> hello i am new to xubuntu but been using ubuntu for a few years and i know how to edit the main menu under ubuntu but how do i do it under xubuntu
[14:22] <TheSheep> LeChacal: settings->menu editor
[14:25] <LeChacal> yes i saw that but how does it work i dont see anything that is in my menu in this window
[14:26] <TheSheep> LeChacal: you should see the logout and help etc.
[14:27] <TheSheep> LeChacal: all the programs are included by the system, using that 'include' item, but you can add your own additional items
[14:29] <LeChacal> TheSheep: ok so wait this might be my problem then, because under ubuntu there are other programs that are installed  but arent listed and you go to settings->Preferences->main menu and you can add and remove anything from the main menu, so then you are telling me that eveything that is load is in the menu and that i can slim down my menu
[14:31] <LeChacal> TheSheep: sorry that should read "I can't slim down my menu"
[14:31] <TheSheep> LeChacal: every application you install can come with a .desktop file, that contains a description of its menu entry. These .desktop files are collected together and the menu is utomatically generated from them, so that your menu is always up to date.
[14:31] <TheSheep> LeChacal: what do you want to do?
[14:33] <[chr0n0s]> can anyone help me with this, the xfwm4 won't start by default, i have to use xfwm4 --replace to start it.. any ideas how to fix this ?
[14:33] <LeChacal> TheSheep: i was trying to add some things to menu that i saw in the Appfinder to menu for example i like using the root terminal for something and so i was trying to add that
[14:34] <[chr0n0s]> oh... i'll try something
[14:34] <TheSheep> LeChacal: you can add items easily
[14:35] <LeChacal> TheSheep: but how do i do that is what i am trying to figure out
[14:35] <TheSheep> LeChacal: with that menu editor. click the 'add item' button
[14:35] <TheSheep> LeChacal: 'add entry', sorry
[14:39] <LeChacal> TheSheep:ok thank you that worked, you were saying something about .desktop file, so you can also use that to edit the menu then or is that where the file that the menu editor loads in
[14:41] <TheSheep> LeChacal: the .desktop files are in /usr/share/applications/, one per menu entry
[14:42] <TheSheep> LeChacal: you can make local copis and edit them in ~/.local/share/applications/
[14:43] <LeChacal> ok thank you that helps alot
[14:43] <TheSheep> LeChacal: this is a standard: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktop-entry-spec
[15:17] <xt600e> Hello! I am currently running xubuntu 7.04 on my very old Thinkpad 600e 130MB Memory. It runs quite well. Have anyone tried release 7.10 on such a low end machine ? will it be much slower ?
[15:18] <baty> i have a really big deal here, cant install any distro
[15:18] <sleepynate> xt600e: i'm running gutsy on a 733 coppermine with 256mb... runs just fine :)
[15:19] <sleepynate> xt600e: i actually think it's faster than feisty in most things :D
[15:19] <TheSheep> xt600e: gutsy seems faster than feisty, because it uses a faster gtk theme by default
[15:19] <pleia2> xt600e: mine's a 500mhz dell w/128 ram, gutsy is doing fine
[15:20] <baty> i cant run dsl from cd
[15:20] <baty> but when trying to install ill just tilt
[15:20] <baty> in xubuntu its start loading desktop
[15:20] <baty> but when the bar starts filling it tilts
[15:20] <xt600e> sleepynate: ok - good - but when I run from Update manager - will it still bee Xubuntu ? or will it install the ubuntu ? In the readme file it says nothing about Xubuntu .. ?
[15:21] <sleepynate> xt600e: if you run update manager in xubuntu it will keep xubuntu... and your xfce desktop
[15:22] <sleepynate> xt600e: if you run it in ubuntu, with GNOME as your window manager, it will update to that :)
[15:22] <xt600e> ok - great - thanks - was kind of worried if it would install a much bigger ubuntu version .. :) ... I am kind of new to Linux...
[15:23] <TheSheep> baty: tilts?
[15:23] <sleepynate> xt600e: and in all fairness, i am running ubuntu with the window manager replaced by xfce :D
[15:23] <sleepynate> xt600e: so, no worries :)
[15:23] <baty> freezes
[15:23] <baty> im thinking about a hard problem
[15:23] <baty> just check the ram all night long
[15:23] <baty> no errors
[15:24] <baty> its a pentium II 333mhz 256 dimm
[15:24] <xt600e> Sleepynate: - I will do the upgrade now - Will I then also get Pidgin ?  and Finch ?
[15:24] <TheSheep> baty: well, remove the 'quiet' and 'splash' from the boot line and see what it writes
[15:24] <sleepynate> xt600e: it will get pidgin for sure
[15:24] <xt600e> :-P
[15:25] <xt600e> I'll be back after upgrade........
[15:25] <sleepynate> hehe, you can leave IRC open till you reboot if you really want :D
[15:25] <xt600e> maybe..
[15:25] <sleepynate> won't hurt it
[15:25] <xt600e> ok - will do
[15:27] <sleepynate> although it will be slow, you can sit and browse the web, chat on IRC, etc... just don't much around in your root filesystem or anything silly :)
[15:27] <sleepynate> s/much/muck
[15:28] <baty> no errorsok
[15:28] <baty> how do i do that
[15:28] <baty> how do i do that
[15:28] <xt600e> ok - how long will it take  - do you think - I have a 3Mbit link
[15:37] <ir4d0m> ANY ip changer thingy programs like TOR... but easier to install?
[15:40] <desertc> Almost show time in #ubuntu-classroom, Mr. Somerville.
[15:40] <ir4d0m> ?
[15:41] <ir4d0m> ok obviously no1 can answer my question...
[15:42] <wbadger> ir4d0m, what was your question?
[15:42] <ir4d0m> umm
[15:42] <ir4d0m> ANY ip changer thingy programs like TOR... but easier to install?
[15:42] <ir4d0m> i needa just change my ip while some1 directs me... lol sorta newb linuxer user...
[15:43] <wbadger> I never used IP changers sorry
[15:43] <ir4d0m> lol
[15:43] <wbadger> dhcp changes IP every time you connect of course
[15:43] <wbadger> so you could just reconnect if using that
[15:43] <ir4d0m> whats that?
[15:43] <ir4d0m> no idea what it is...
[15:45] <TheSheep> wbadger: dhcp assigns ips to cimputers, but how it does it, depends on its configurtion (on the dhcp server), it may assign the same ip every time
[15:45] <ir4d0m> ill still give it a try if some1 can direct me on how to do it?
[15:45] <TheSheep> ir4d0m: I don't know any other anonymizers than tor, but it shouldn't be that hard to install, maybe look on the forums for howto?
[15:46] <ir4d0m> LOL one of my friends helped me install it.. but then when i try to load an internet page with it enabled it goes to the little proxy page and says it couldnt connect
[15:47] <ir4d0m> ethier i have an old version... or in my fowarding socks and the direction after tat i got fcked up.. not sure which one though
[15:47] <ir4d0m> but im total linux newb and have no idea where to fix it
[15:48] <TheSheep> ir4d0m: why do you need an anonymizer at all?
[15:48] <predaeus> ir4d0m, try http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Anon_Proxy
[15:48] <ir4d0m> ummm long story short... i got banned from a wii clan wtclan.com for saying gay .... samething with gamespot.com
[15:49] <ir4d0m> APPARENTLY U CANT SAY that game looks gay
[15:49] <sensouci> Hello, is there a way to mograte from ubuntu to xubuntu without reinstalling the complete system?
[15:49] <TheSheep> ir4d0m: that's pretty stupid :/
[15:49] <TheSheep> sensouci: yeah, just install xubuntu-desktop, it will pull in all the xubuntu packages
[15:49] <ir4d0m> yeah i know but guitar hero 3 and Battalion wars 2 will be coming out... i needa get some fccs to pwn some people
[15:50] <TheSheep> ir4d0m: tor is pretty useless for gaming anyways, it's too slow
[15:50] <sensouci> TheSheep thanks and will it remove all unessecary gnome package so I could have a light system
[15:51] <TheSheep> sensouci: no, but removing ubuntu-desktop and then running autoremove should do it
[15:53] <ir4d0m> lol its WII GAMING... not computer gaming... i just need the computer for webpages
[15:53] <sensouci> TheSheep huge thks !!! I will install xubuntu with ubuntu for a while, to try it and then remove ubuntu if everything goes right with xubuntu
[15:55] <dsl2707> hi.  i put in a new vid card and now x wont start.  any idea how to get to to reprobe video card?
[15:56] <predaeus> dsl2707, is it an nvidia card?
[15:58] <TheSheep> dsl2707: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:59] <dsl2707> an ancient nvidia had been in there, now i put in a matrox
[16:12] <nikolam> hi
[16:12] <rastal> hello nikolam
[16:12] <nikolam> when you compile something, how comes compiler use just one cpu/core?
[16:13] <nikolam> hi
[16:16] <desertc> Anyone want to talk on Xubuntu for the Ubuntu Open Week ?  The speaker has not showed up
[16:16] <TheSheep> nikolam: you can tell make to compile several files at a time
[16:16] <TheSheep> desertc: talk about what exactly?
[16:17] <desertc> At this point, anything that has to do with Xubuntu
[16:17] <desertc> The classroom is silent when there should be a session on Xubuntu
[16:17] <TheSheep> desertc: on #ubuntu-classroom ?
[16:17] <desertc> Cody Somerville did not show up for the talk
[16:17] <desertc> Yes
[16:18] <TheSheep> it's not like him :/
[16:18] <desertc> also #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[16:18] <desertc> Popey is organizing the talk
[16:18] <TheSheep> desertc: I can say something, should I just stat talking?
[16:19] <desertc> You might check with Popey for OPS, but I think it will be fine to just start talking.
[16:19] <TheSheep> desertc: ok, here I go
[16:19] <desertc> \o/
[16:19]  * desertc cheers.
[16:20] <pleia2> desertc: you'll be staying for my session right? ;)
[16:20] <desertc> Wouldn't miss it!
[16:21] <pleia2> :D
[16:21] <desertc> I've actually been very interested in learning about your project since I heard about it, but never got around to researching it very much.  I'm looking forward to your talk.
[16:23] <desertc> TheSheep: You have until the top of the hour to lead the session.  Questions come from #ubuntu-classroom-chat and are prefaced with the word: "QUESTION:"
[16:24] <TheSheep> thanks
[17:08] <dsdsds> hey there. let me ask you some question... if someone would come to you and ask: "And what is actually the differenz between ubuntu and xubuntu?" .what would you say? :)
[17:09] <xt6001> xubuntu is much faster ... ? :)
[17:09] <dsdsds> and why is that so?
[17:10] <dsdsds> new x-server? new windowmanager?
[17:10] <xt6001> don't know the detailed techs - but it's announced as being much faster...
[17:11] <dsdsds> thanks that you told me that, but i still hope someone could more specify that beeing :)
[17:11] <xt6001> Xubuntu uses the Xfce desktop environment, meaning that it will  run fast while still delivering a user-friendly interface. Older computers feel  lively again, while newer ones will run faster than ever before!
[17:12] <xt6001> from : http://www.xubuntu.org/
[17:13] <xt6001> I use it on a Thinkpad 600e - Not being used for years - but now its ok to use a a Number 2 computer...
[17:13] <xt6001> *as a number 2 computer...
[17:27] <superid> rather simple question (in Gutsy): how do I edit the system menu? the menu editor contains an "include system" entry, but I can't find a way to edit/view it
[17:27] <superid> there was a bug regarding this dated aug-2006, stating it had been fixed in Edgy
[17:28] <superid> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugs/2006-August/273406.html
[17:32] <superid> :(
[17:32] <superid> I thought this was rather simple, since that's where mostly all the shortcuts are
[17:35] <TheSheep> superid: that menu is not editable, it's generated from the desktop files that came with installed application
[17:35] <TheSheep> superid: you can add to it however
[17:35] <TheSheep> superid: or cover existing entries with your own
[17:35] <TheSheep> superid: just add them to the meanu
[17:35] <TheSheep> menu
[17:36] <superid> thanks, I wanted to move things around, copy launchers to other locations, etc
[17:36] <superid> thanks for the clarification
[17:37] <superid> gotta go, see you all later
[17:44] <garuhhh> hi! how do i know that 3D acceleration is working on mine?
[17:46] <TheSheep> garuhhh: glxinfo, I think
[17:48] <garuhhh> thesheep: ok thanks! i'll try that out as soon as i get home. am on a winxp now
[17:48] <nikolam> garuhhh: Install Open Arena game and see if it works! :)
[17:49] <garuhhh> hmmm... mine is a quite old pc... it won't be good at any advanced game.. :(
[17:50] <garuhhh> my video card is a RIVA TNT2 M64 32mb card, but windowsXP and even ubuntu uses the SIs 300/600... driver..
[17:53] <garuhhh> with the sis driver, windows reports only 16mb videocard memory, but mine is a 32mb.
[17:53] <garuhhh> but after installing the driver provided by the vcard, it shows 32mb. (that's in windowsxp)
[17:54] <garuhhh> so i guess making sure that the correct drivers are installed in my xubuntu, i'll get better performance.
[18:28] <tuxcrafter> am back
[18:29] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: it seems openoffice.org-gtk requires gnome dependencies (LauchGnome=true) to be functional, do we see this as a bug?
[18:31] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: what does it require in particular? I think I'm using it and I have the gnome services disabled...
[18:32] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: I have been searching through the xfce4-session source code
[18:32] <tuxcrafter> and i could not pinpoint the exact dependency
[18:33] <tuxcrafter> but i must enable the LaunceGnome=True to be able to use the gtk widgets
[18:33] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: let me put it another way. how it doesn't work when you have 'launch gnome' disabled?
[18:33] <tuxcrafter> openoffice does not use the gtk widget windows interface that is installed with the openoffice.org-gtk package
[18:34] <tuxcrafter> when I disable the xfce4-session LaunchGnome feature
[18:34] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: if you see a way to fix this than you would make me very happy
[18:35] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: you mean you see that ugly wxwidnows interface?
[18:36] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: can you confirm the issue? else try stopping gdm and use the startx command
[18:36] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: no, it works for me
[18:37] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: don't think its wxWindows because that is gtk, however I see the basic (java) interface
[18:38] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: still not able to replicate the problem?
[18:39] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: works fine both with and without gdm
[18:39] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: I use the tango theme
[18:40] <tuxcrafter> and you have set the LauncheGnome checkbox of in the xfce4-session app to disable ?
[18:40] <TheSheep> yes, I have it on off since always
[18:40] <tuxcrafter> (the icon theme works_
[18:41] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: by default xubuntu has Gnome support on
[18:41] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: the dropdown menus and other widgest are normally themed gtk too
[18:41] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: yes, that's mostly for pidgin
[18:41] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: I use gajim instead, so no need for that
[18:42] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: what does pidgin use that requires gnome support?
[18:42] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: gconf
[18:42] <tuxcrafter> ow ok
[18:42] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: and I think it may use esd
[18:42] <tuxcrafter> is there a easy pastbin for images?
[18:42] <tuxcrafter> so i can post my screenshot
[18:43] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: imageshack maybe
[18:44] <tuxcrafter> brb
[18:48] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: http://imagebin.ca/view/i9HOHoB.html
[18:49] <tuxcrafter> if i enable LaunchGnome I get gtk widget interface
[18:49] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: instantly?
[18:50] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: no I always have to restart
[18:50]  * TheSheep scratches hi head
[18:50] <tuxcrafter> the i logout and start x again
[18:50] <TheSheep> I can't replicate it
[18:50] <TheSheep> even killing most of my apps
[18:51] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: maybe you have openoffice.org-gnome installed and it takes precedence?
[18:51] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: no i dubble checked it
[18:51] <tuxcrafter> rechecking it abain
[18:53] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: http://imagebin.ca/view/i9HOHoB.html
[18:53] <tuxcrafter> wrong link!
[18:53] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: http://pastebin.ca/751742
[18:53] <tuxcrafter> that is every openoffice package i have
[18:54] <tuxcrafter> i also purged openoffice.org-gtk  and reinstalled it
[18:54] <tuxcrafter> it did not matter thou
[18:55] <nikolam-away-> I had trouble even starting Ooo on amd64 7.10 I managed to start Ooo by changing fglrx driver.
[18:55] <nikolam-away-> Maybe It have something to do with fglrx?
[18:55] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: these are mine http://pastebin.ca/751744
[18:56] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: I don't have java-common
[18:57] <tuxcrafter> pff what to do know
[18:57] <tuxcrafter> i can try the test system monday again
[18:57] <tuxcrafter> and reinstall xubuntu
[18:57] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: maybe try uninstalling java-common and see if it halps?
[18:57] <tuxcrafter> I hate reintall to test
[18:58] <nikolam> I don`t thing I understand problem.
[18:58] <nikolam> Could you just tel me what does not work?
[18:58] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: have not installed java-common
[18:59] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: it's on your list?
[19:00] <tuxcrafter> nikolam: my openoffice gtk widget environment does not work without enabling the xfce LaunceGnome support
[19:00] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: The following NEW packages will be installed:
[19:00] <tuxcrafter>   java-common
[19:01] <tuxcrafter> openoffice.org-java-common
[19:01] <nikolam> Hm, I could restart disabling It and see if it works. Will it help?
[19:01] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: http://pastebin.ca/751742 <-- listed in here
[19:01] <tuxcrafter> nikolam: whould be nice if someone could reproduce the issue
[19:02] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: jups thanks, i saw it
[19:02] <nikolam> Ok, disabling Sessions and startup> Launch Gnome services on startup, Restarting
[19:03] <tuxcrafter> sudo aptitude purge openoffice.org-java-common
[19:04] <tuxcrafter> sudo aptitude install openoffice.org-writer openoffice.org-gtk
[19:05] <tuxcrafter> restarting x now
[19:07] <nikolam> Ooo works even when i disable Launching gnome services on startup
[19:07] <nikolam> What graphic card driver do you use?
[19:07] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: http://pastebin.ca/751757
[19:07] <tuxcrafter> nikolam: OpenChrome dirver
[19:07] <TheSheep> nikolam: I doubt it's a problem with graphics card
[19:08] <nikolam> I doubted it too. But I couldn`t start Ooo till changing fglrx driver :(
[19:08] <nikolam> Try VESA driver or something and restart X
[19:08] <tuxcrafter> trying just to be shure
[19:09] <tuxcrafter> i also agian removed the .openoffice folder
[19:09] <tuxcrafter> restarting x
[19:09] <tuxcrafter> brb
[19:10] <tuxcrafter> still the same problem
[19:10] <tuxcrafter> removeing .cache
[19:11] <tuxcrafter> and do not same session
[19:11] <tuxcrafter> and restaring x
[19:11] <nikolam> Then its not the same thing as here with fglrx, sorry
[19:11] <nikolam> You started with Vesa, right?
[19:11] <tuxcrafter> jup
[19:11] <nikolam> Ok, that was my attempt
[19:13] <tuxcrafter> I know have a WORKING openoffice with gtk widgets
[19:13] <tuxcrafter> rechecking to by sure gnome support is disabled
[19:13] <nikolam> is ti 7.10? is it i386 or amd64 xubuntu?
[19:14] <tuxcrafter> 7.10 i386
[19:14] <nikolam> I have amd64
[19:14] <tuxcrafter> Linux xubutu-en12000e 2.6.22-14-386 #1 Sun Oct 14 22:36:54 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[19:15] <tuxcrafter> [Compatibility]
[19:15] <tuxcrafter> LaunchGnome=false
[19:15] <tuxcrafter> LaunchKDE=false
[19:15] <tuxcrafter> restarting
[19:15] <tuxcrafter> x
[19:15] <nikolam> I would like to install i386 xubuntu but i can`t make kqemu working..
[19:17] <dgimse> were can i get info on boot errors for xubuntu and a guide to GParted?
[19:17] <tuxcrafter> xfce gnome support is off and I have a correct gtk widgets in openoffce
[19:17] <tuxcrafter> there is no gnome-keyring-deamon loaded :-p
[19:18] <tuxcrafter> rebuilding the system up to see if i can find the issue
[19:21] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: I found the issue
[19:21] <tuxcrafter> it is so nasty
[19:21] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: do tell
[19:21] <nikolam> heh..
[19:23] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep:
[19:23] <tuxcrafter> 1 Disable LauchGnome support in you xfce4-session apps
[19:23] <tuxcrafter> 2 Disable the option to lett xfce manage your desktop (so no icons no background)
[19:23] <tuxcrafter> 3 Make sure to save you session settings
[19:23] <tuxcrafter> 4 (just to be shure) stop gdm and start xfce with start x
[19:23] <tuxcrafter> please test :-S
[19:24] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: I have no icons on my desktop by default
[19:25] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: yes no icons but also dsiable the compleet management of the desktop
[19:25] <xt6001> FYI : Just for fun : I just upgraded my Thinkpad 600e (130Mb Ram) from XUbuntu 7.04 to 7.10. It went all ok. Took 26 min. to download - and the complete install took 3 hours... - Everything works ok. Boot time increased with 10 secs. Total boot time (until computer is responsive) increased by 1 minute (Total of 3:45 Mins). The load of Home page in Epiphany browser increased by 7 secs. (Total of 37 secs.) and the time to shutdown decreased with 2
[19:26] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: I'll test that later
[19:26] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: can you please test is soon , so i can be sure iam not getting crasy
[19:26] <tuxcrafter> crazy
[19:27] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: I'm a little busy at the moment and don't feel like closign all my apps just
[19:27] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: i understand
[19:27] <tuxcrafter> nikolam: are you still testing?
[19:27] <nikolam> tuxcrafter: Do i need to restart whole system?
[19:28] <tuxcrafter> no just logout to terminal and execute startx
[19:28] <tuxcrafter> make sure gdm is not running
[19:28] <nikolam> ok
[19:28] <nikolam> how to make shure i saved desktop settings?
[19:29] <nikolam> tuxcrafter:
[19:29] <vonck7> hi, I want to change the default file manager from thunar to pcmanfm ,where do i set the default application for a file-type?
[19:29] <tuxcrafter> nikolam: in the logout window select save session
[19:30] <nikolam> OK.
[19:32] <nikolam> Ok, I disabled starting gnome services, disable managing desktop, saved settings, exited, killed gdm, logged in with alt-f2 and startx
[19:32] <nikolam> i have grey backgroud and OpenOffice starts fine.
[19:33] <nikolam> :,,)
[19:33] <nikolam> amd64 xubuntu 7.10
[19:33] <tuxcrafter> alt-f2?
[19:33] <nikolam> To go to console ctrl alt f2
[19:33] <tuxcrafter> ah ok
[19:33] <tuxcrafter> would you like to do one more try?
[19:34] <tuxcrafter> remove .cache
[19:34] <nikolam> Where is it?
[19:34] <tuxcrafter> rename .openoffice to someting else
[19:34] <tuxcrafter> like .openoffice-backup
[19:34] <nikolam> I will delete .openoffice, no swet
[19:35] <xt6001> Fyi - Just for fun : I just upgraded my VERY OLD Thinkpad 600e (130MB RAM) - from Xubuntu 7.04 to 7.10. Download time was 26 Mins. - total install time 3 hours. My Boot time increased by 1 min. (from 2:46 to 3:45) That is when my desktop is responsive..  Launch of my homepage in Epiphany browser increased by 7 secs.. (Simple homepage). :P
[19:35] <nikolam> Ok, next
[19:36] <TheSheep> xt6001: you're repeating yourself
[19:36] <TheSheep> xt6001: and it's not really a support issue
[19:36] <tuxcrafter> then logout but DEselect the save session on startup
[19:36] <tuxcrafter> then logout (you should go back to the terminal)
[19:36] <tuxcrafter> then go to the xfce4-session manager and disable gnome support
[19:36] <tuxcrafter> then go to xfce4 desktop manager disable management of desktop
[19:36] <tuxcrafter> then go to the xfce logout and Select the save session for ...
[19:36] <tuxcrafter> then logout and startx again and test openoffce
[19:37] <tuxcrafter> I am also doing a extra test here
[19:37]  * tuxcrafter is restarting x
[19:38] <xt6001> ok  - sorry for that - but IT DID NOT show up in my IRC windwow - so I did not know if it was posted - sorry for your inconvinience - I will not use this forum again - Thanks
[19:39] <TheSheep> sigh
[19:39] <tuxcrafter> jup without xfce managing the desktop openoffcie is ugly again
[19:40] <tuxcrafter> nikolam: jup without xfce managing the desktop openoffcie is ugly again
[19:40]  * tuxcrafter is enabeling his openchrome driver and his resolution again
[19:41] <nikolam> i started x again and without saving, desktop managment restored itself
[19:43] <nikolam> OOo starts
[19:43] <nikolam> desktop management off.
[19:44] <nikolam> maybe restart?
[19:44] <nikolam> Oh this grey desktop reminds me on old days.. :)
[19:45] <nikolam> tuxcrafter: restart? Ooo starts
[19:45] <tuxcrafter> Without xfce4-managing the desktop and without xfce4-session LaunchGnome support my openoffice widgets will not use gtk
[19:45] <tuxcrafter> With either LaunchGnome or/and xfce managing the desktop openoffice will use the gtk widgets.
[19:45] <tuxcrafter> nikolam: Nope if you sitll cant reproduce it
[19:46] <tuxcrafter> i will have to reinstall my testing sytem
[19:46] <tuxcrafter> and try it tere
[19:46] <tuxcrafter> but here it is very very repeatable
[19:46] <tuxcrafter> and extremely annoying
[19:46] <nikolam> I would like to install Quemu xubuntu32
[19:46] <nikolam> but I cant manage kqemu working properly
[19:46] <tuxcrafter> no its nog a kernel issue
[19:47] <nikolam> No, I am telling, I have issue with using kqemu
[19:47] <nikolam> its much slower emulation without that
[19:49] <tuxcrafter> nikolam: yes true
[19:50] <tuxcrafter> i am forced to use vmware server i have a nice supported how to for it on the ubuntuforum
[19:50] <tuxcrafter> with qemu/virtualbox my usb devices do not work properly there is a bug somewere
[19:50] <nikolam> I would like to use xen but did not managed it yet
[19:50] <tuxcrafter> xen rulez
[19:51] <tuxcrafter> only tested it by someone that has installed it already
[19:51] <nikolam> hm. Do U use soem Gui for xen?
[19:51] <tuxcrafter> but **** some nasty OS does not work with xen
[19:58] <nixternal> #ubuntu-classroom for the OpenWeek Ubuntu Documentation Talk
[20:00] <Adriaan_> Hey, I heard there are some bad mirrors out there, so can anyone tell me where they got their Alternate 7.10 from?
[20:00] <nikolam> where are you from
[20:00] <Adriaan_> leuven, belgium, europe
[20:01] <nikolam> i managed to download from france just nicely from Serbia
[20:01] <nikolam> So france is safe bet i think, even when there is huge traffic
[20:01] <Adriaan_> free.fr univ-nantes.fr?
[20:02] <nikolam> free.fr i think.. somethink
[20:02] <tuxcrafter> http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/OpenOffice#Setup
[20:02] <tuxcrafter> found that
[20:02] <tuxcrafter> export OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome
[20:02] <tuxcrafter> trying know
[20:02] <Adriaan_> it'd be nice if anyone could affirm that the torrent also works
[20:02] <nikolam> Adriaan_: Why it wouldnt work?
[20:03] <Adriaan_> nikolam: I already had corrupted ISO that turned out to be broken when burned, and someone told me that some mirrors aren 'broken'
[20:03] <nikolam> No. Just download could be broken
[20:04] <nikolam> you can always Repair downloaded .iso with some bit torrent program.
[20:04] <nikolam> I repaired 4Gig debian Iso with torrent.
[20:04] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: OMG i fixed it
[20:05] <tuxcrafter> OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome oowriter
[20:05] <tuxcrafter> brr so much so much time i spend on it
[20:05] <nikolam> tuxcrafter: nice :,)
[20:05] <tuxcrafter> up to the next issue
[20:06] <nikolam> so what/where it needs to fix not to happen again?
[20:06] <rastal> good night
[20:06] <nikolam> Adriaan_: Also media could be false. You can always chack .iso integrity with md5sum
[20:14] <nikolam> Adriaan_: It is also Ok to first check .iso with md5sum, then while burning CD with K3B check that it is tested upon burning.
[20:15] <Adriaan_> nikolam: it is just very weird that all the 7.10isos are corrupted except 1 kubuntu-torrent
[20:15] <nikolam> How do you think corupted?
[20:16] <nikolam> is md5sum Ok?
[20:16] <nikolam> You can always check md5sum from main site and re-check .iso you downloaded from other country
[20:17] <Adriaan_> nikolam: yes you're right there
[20:17] <nikolam> I got .torrent and checked from mininova.org and checked all .iso`s i downloaded from france. Not 200 people seeding could be wrong..
[20:18] <Adriaan_> I'm downloading iso (non-torrent) from a french server now
[20:18] <nikolam> Adriaan_: Just check md5sum`s and repair those iso`s that fail with torrent.
[20:18] <Adriaan_> alright
[20:19] <nikolam> np
[20:19] <Adriaan_> 50%... now wht would come out...
[20:28] <Adriaan_> maybe interesting: the corrupted thing was always /nvidia-kernel-commons/
[20:28] <nikolam> Mmm this startupmanager package have niice "create rescue floppy" option :) how nice :)
[20:29] <nikolam> Adriaan_: How do you tested it?
[20:29] <Adriaan_> with the CD check for defexts option
[20:29] <Adriaan_> *defects*
[20:29] <nikolam> Did u tried to use cdrw disk?
[20:30] <nikolam> Did you burned that .iso with other cd media
[20:30] <nikolam> Diti you checked .iso with md5sum?
[20:30] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: how can i set the
[20:30] <tuxcrafter> export OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome
[20:30] <tuxcrafter> OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome
[20:30] <tuxcrafter> so it will be used on boot up?
[20:30] <tuxcrafter> i added the lines to .bashrc .bash_profile and .profile
[20:30] <tuxcrafter> it does work when starting xfce4-terminal
[20:30] <Adriaan_> I use normal CD-Rs, I use InfraRecorder
[20:30] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: /etc/environment maybe
[20:31] <tuxcrafter> ah that was it
[20:31] <tuxcrafter> (forgot it) sometimes it happends
[20:31] <nikolam> Adriaan_: What is InfraRecorder?
[20:31] <tuxcrafter> nikolam: its a iso burner of windows
[20:31] <tuxcrafter> on GPL linux
[20:31] <Adriaan_> nikolam: it's an ISO burner
[20:31] <tuxcrafter> GPL licence i meant
[20:31] <tuxcrafter> its very nice
[20:32] <Adriaan_> I like it
[20:32] <tuxcrafter> (i thought it was gpl let check it to bue sure
[20:32] <Adriaan_> I think it is opensource, not sure
[20:33] <Adriaan_> it is under GPL
[20:33] <Adriaan_> GPL version 2.
[20:34] <nikolam> nice
[20:34] <nikolam> so did jou check .iso for md5 sum before burning before_
[20:35] <Adriaan_> yes, but with the md5sum provided by the mirror, I'm gonna xompare ot other mirrors as well this time
[20:42] <Adriaan_> it should be alright... gonna burn at 2x speed now..
[20:45] <nikolam> Dont burn too slow
[20:46] <nikolam> On media able for fast burning, you should not go below some speed.
[20:52] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: echo OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome | sudo tee -a /etc/environment
[20:52] <Adriaan_> Others recommended me, as the PC I'm going to use it with is a bit old
[20:52] <tuxcrafter> would this be something wort to make mainstream in xubuntu
[20:53] <tuxcrafter> also the next line would be nice to get mainstream
[20:53] <tuxcrafter> echo MOZ_DISABLE_PANGO=1 | sudo tee -a /etc/environment
[20:54] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: no
[20:54] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: under what reason?
[20:54] <tuxcrafter> not standard?
[20:54] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: xubuntu comes with openoffice working by default
[20:54] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: no need to patch against that
[20:54] <tuxcrafter> hmm
[20:54] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: and pange is required for supporting internationalization
[20:55] <tuxcrafter> no point arguing to something that can not yet be reproduced
[20:55] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: rtl languages, for example
[20:55] <TheSheep> pano*
[20:55] <TheSheep> pango*
[20:55] <TheSheep> the fact that firefox is hopelessly broken since more than 1.5 years is sad
[20:56] <tuxcrafter> true
[20:57] <tuxcrafter> but my firefox is fast
[20:57] <tuxcrafter> with only 2 mods
[20:57] <tuxcrafter> i think its 40% faster then the default settings of xubuntu
[20:57]  * tuxcrafter is using a via 1.2 GHz VIA EN12000E
[20:59] <szyszeja> hello
[20:59]  * tuxcrafter is restarting x
[21:00] <szyszeja> how can i setup my keyboard
[21:00] <szyszeja> to latam or spanish
[21:00] <szyszeja> ?
[21:09] <tuxcrafter> so oowriter problem fixed :-p
[21:09] <tuxcrafter> up to the next one
[21:10] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: do you remember my comments about gnome-pty-helper and vte9
[21:13] <TheSheep> no
[21:15] <Mark76> I found some instructions for editing the xfce menu, but they don't seem to work
[21:15] <Mark76> http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/07/12/manually-edit-the-xfce-menu/
[21:17] <Mark76> I copied the menu xml file but the ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml does nothing
[21:17] <TheSheep> Mark76: just edit the .desktop files
[21:18] <TheSheep> Mark76: xfce 4.6 will have a brand new and functional menu editor
[21:18] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: when xfce4-terminal is opened it will use libvte9 and libvte9 will create an extra process called gnome-pty-helper
[21:18] <tuxcrafter> xterm does not do this. I was hoping we can somehow change libvte9 so it will not have to use gnome-pty-helper and making xubuntu a bit lighter
[21:18] <Mark76> When is xfce4.6 due?
[21:19] <Mark76> Evening Sheep and Tux
[21:19] <tuxcrafter> there is no date planed i believe i always here that it will gome out whan its ready
[21:19] <Mark76> The current menu editor is weird
[21:20] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: 728 bytes lighter, great idea
[21:20] <Mark76> Who's 728 bytes lighter?
[21:21] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: and remove a process :-D
[21:21] <TheSheep> Mark76: that's how much memory gnome-pty-helper takes on my system
[21:21] <Mark76> Is that good?
[21:22] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: remove init
[21:23] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: this process doesn't really do anything once your terminal is opened
[21:23] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: what will removing init do
[21:24] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: kernel panic
[21:24] <tuxcrafter> precise :-p
[21:24] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: init is the root of all processes in linux
[21:24] <tuxcrafter> yes i know
[21:24] <tuxcrafter> i already modified it :-p
[21:24] <TheSheep> no, you modified initab
[21:25] <tuxcrafter> your right :-p
[21:25] <Mark76> You should have said: "init is the root of all processes in Linux. init" :D
[21:25] <tuxcrafter> i changed the startup process
[21:27] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: if you are looking for something to do in xfce, maybe write to xubuntu-devel mailing list and ask what needs to be done?
[21:27] <tuxcrafter> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/132
[21:28] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: my country already said 'agreed with comments' :(
[21:28] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: I post regular "improvements" of my xubuntu system on the devellist
[21:30] <tuxcrafter> The only problem I have with ODT is that it is integrated differently in all applications. a *.odt created in openoffice looks different in other versions of openoffce, kword and abiword. and also diffrence betweeen windows mac and linxu platforms
[21:30] <tuxcrafter> so much for a standard
[21:31] <tuxcrafter> that sad I think It Must become THe Standard because everything else sucks even more
[21:31] <tuxcrafter> :-p
[21:31] <tuxcrafter> and I am a very strong believer in standardization
[21:32] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: ever tried to open a .doc file in different versions of Word?
[21:32] <tuxcrafter> dont talk about MS word please :-D
[21:53] <tuxcrafter> i pay the FSFE to do my bidding :-D
[21:54] <Mark76> The who?
[21:54] <tuxcrafter> and they can contact me if they need my help
[21:54] <tuxcrafter> http://www.fsfeurope.org/
[21:55] <tuxcrafter> https://www.fsfe.org/
[21:55] <Mark76> Ah
[21:55] <tuxcrafter> 120 euro per year
[21:55] <tuxcrafter> freedom is not cheaper for me :-p
[21:57] <ninjabooty> my laptop only has 184 (after 12MB for video)
[21:57] <ninjabooty> I don't get the menu bar at the top of the screen like i'm supposed to
[21:58] <ninjabooty> no wait, 8mb for video
[21:58] <ninjabooty> still
[21:58] <ninjabooty> same thing happens with standard ubuntu
[21:59] <ninjabooty> all I get is desktop icons
[21:59] <Mark76> Maybe your menu bar is set to transparent
[21:59] <mick_> I use Xubuntu, when I start mozilla, the CPU grow up to 95~99% !!!
[21:59] <mick_> What could I do ?
[22:00] <mick_> Im just installing opera
[22:00] <mick_> but I would like to continue to use mozilla
[22:00] <Mark76> There are some fun games in the repos
[22:00] <ninjabooty> why would the menu bar be transparent on the LiveCD?
[22:01] <Mark76> Ah
[22:01] <Mark76> Got me there
[22:01] <ninjabooty> this is an old laptop
[22:01] <Mark76> Why would installing Opera stop you using Mozilla, Mick?
[22:01] <ninjabooty> 800Mhz Pentium III
[22:01] <Mark76> Cripes
[22:01] <Mark76> Same as mine
[22:01] <ninjabooty> Gateway Solo?
[22:01] <ninjabooty> LOL
[22:01] <Mark76> Except mine's a desktop
[22:01] <ninjabooty> oh
[22:01] <Mark76> Compaq
[22:01] <mick_> Mark76, cause mozilla use 99% of CPU and Opera dont
[22:02] <ninjabooty> also, since I can't get a menu bar ... I have no idea if my wireless card is working either
[22:02] <Mark76> 833 MHz
[22:02] <tuxcrafter> ninjabooty: you have to little memory to run the liveCD 256 is minimal
[22:02] <tuxcrafter> you can install it
[22:02] <Mark76> That's a heck of a lot of the CPU
[22:02] <tuxcrafter> 128 can do fine
[22:02] <Mark76> YEah, xubuntu can run on 128 megs
[22:02] <tuxcrafter> i know use 122 with oowriter and pidgin
[22:02] <tuxcrafter> but i tweaked a lot
[22:03] <mick_> Mark76, I have a Pentium M 2ghz
[22:03] <Mark76> xubuntu must be lightning fast on yours Mick
[22:03] <mick_> with mozilla ?
[22:04] <mick_> I have 128Mo
[22:04] <Mark76> I'm confused now
[22:04] <mick_> its all right
[22:04] <Mark76> DO you have 2 gigs or 128 megs?
[22:04] <mick_> I just think something
[22:05] <mick_> I installed a theme in mozilla
[22:05] <mick_> perhaps it is this theme
[22:06] <ninjabooty> so even though I can't see everything, if I install it to the drive I will?
[22:07] <mick_> I have a Pentium4 M with 128Mo RAM
[22:07] <mick_> Mo = MB (in french)
[22:07] <mick_> sorry
[22:07] <Mark76> Ah
[22:07] <ninjabooty> ouch
[22:07] <Mark76> Gosh, this game has rather grand music
[22:07] <ninjabooty> no wonder you aren't using WinXP
[22:08] <Mark76> Install Vista. I dares you
[22:08] <tuxcrafter> i have a 1,2GH with 1G DDR2 :-p
[22:08] <tuxcrafter> but mine uses 25W
[22:08] <tuxcrafter> :-p
[22:08] <tuxcrafter> good for the trees :-p
[22:08] <ninjabooty> damn dude
[22:08] <ninjabooty> 25W
[22:08] <mick_> tuxcrafter, your CPU is a Dual Core ?
[22:08] <ninjabooty> where can I get one?
[22:08] <tuxcrafter> VIA C7 CPU
[22:09] <ninjabooty> micro ITX?
[22:09] <mick_> Yes I know :)
[22:09] <tuxcrafter> jups
[22:09] <tuxcrafter> passive cooled
[22:09] <ninjabooty> neat
[22:09] <mick_> great processor
[22:09] <tuxcrafter> great process very bad company
[22:09] <mick_> VIA ?
[22:09] <tuxcrafter> s/process/processor/g
[22:09] <mick_> Cyrix ?
[22:09] <tuxcrafter> am via the reseller
[22:09] <ninjabooty> I still want to look into getting an ARM9 dev board
[22:10] <tuxcrafter> cyrix developed it
[22:10] <ninjabooty> reseller aye?
[22:10] <ninjabooty> can I get a "demo"?
[22:10] <ninjabooty> how about a "sample"?
[22:10] <ninjabooty> har har
[22:10] <tuxcrafter> VIA does not make the C7 chip i belive
[22:10] <tuxcrafter> ninjabooty: were do you live
[22:10] <ninjabooty> USA
[22:11] <tuxcrafter> Hmm to bad
[22:11] <ninjabooty> would it help if I lived in Taiwan?
[22:11] <tuxcrafter> if you lived in the netherlands i could helped you :-p
[22:11] <ninjabooty> well, I've always wanted to go to Amsterdam anyway :)
[22:12] <Mark76> Is that booty in the pirate sense or booty in the street slang sense?
[22:12] <tuxcrafter> haha
[22:12] <ninjabooty> Mark76: yes
[22:14] <ninjabooty> I just liked the way it sounded
[22:15] <ninjabooty> in fact ... anyone want to help me make a video game?
[22:17] <ninjabooty> who lives in the netherlands?
[22:18] <ninjabooty> like, turkey has turks, hungary has hungarians ... what does the netherlands have?
[22:18] <ninjabooty> oh, Dutch, ha
[22:21] <tuxcrafter> the Netherlands have a bit of everything
[22:22] <ninjabooty> so, how about that northwest passage?
[22:22] <ninjabooty> pretty neat stuff huh?
[22:22] <tuxcrafter> sudo smartctl -A /dev/sda
[22:22] <tuxcrafter> I can here my harddisk clicking when its doing nothing i dont trust it
[22:22] <tuxcrafter> but smartctl does nog show any changes
[22:23] <tuxcrafter> does not i meanet
[22:23] <tuxcrafter> mean
[22:24] <ninjabooty> it's "journaling"
[22:25] <ninjabooty> your keystrokes :D
[22:25] <ninjabooty> *shrugs*
[22:33] <tuxcrafter> yeah my typing is bad
[22:33] <tuxcrafter> you see :-p
[22:58]  * tuxcrafter is restarting
[23:11] <Mark76> Vector editors are amazing
[23:11] <Mark76> You can zoom in forever without the image get pixelly
[23:15] <Mark76> Why are there two Dr Maisons?
[23:18] <Mark76> I want one of those attachments you can get for the Classmate PC that turns an ordinary sheet of paper into a graphics tablet
[23:22] <keb> sounds liek magic
[23:22] <Mark76> Hang on
[23:22] <Mark76> I'll try and find the article
[23:24] <Mark76> Here you go Keb http://education.zdnet.com/?p=1291
[23:24] <keb> thanks
[23:25] <Mark76> The 16th picture along in the screenshots section
[23:26] <tuxcrafter> is it correct that this initscript /etc/init.d/networking will never connect you with the internet in xubuntu? but only does a ifup on your networkcard?
[23:27] <tuxcrafter> could be way of here btw :-p
[23:27] <Mark76> :|
[23:27] <Mark76> :-/
[23:28] <keb> Mark76 where did you get that thing
[23:28] <Mark76> The article?
[23:28] <Mark76> Linux Today
[23:28] <tuxcrafter> ow think i see whats wrong
[23:28] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: it's not correct
[23:28] <tuxcrafter> lets test it
[23:29] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: yes i read it in man ifup
[23:30] <Mark76> Clocks go back tonight for us Brits
[23:31] <keb> no the writing pad and digitzer
[23:31] <Mark76> Not mine.
[23:31] <tuxcrafter> you hoe auto dchp is working again
[23:32] <Mark76> WHo you calling a hoe?
[23:32] <Mark76> :p
[23:32] <Mark76> Beehatch :D
[23:32] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: way is it disabled in xubuntu gusty in the /etc/network/interfaces file?
[23:33] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: because you didn't configure you network?
[23:33] <tuxcrafter> by default sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart did not connect my to the internet
[23:33] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: no the system has changed
[23:33] <tuxcrafter> there was a new dhcp deamon system
[23:34] <tuxcrafter> in that worked around the interface file
[23:34] <keb> tuxcrafter did you configure your network settings in Applications, System, Network ?
[23:34] <TheSheep> um, the /etc/network/interfaces was in debain since at least 4 or 5 years, I htink
[23:34] <tuxcrafter> keb: i dont use guis :-p
[23:34] <TheSheep> think
[23:34] <TheSheep> and in ubuntu too
[23:34] <keb> oic
[23:34] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: true true
[23:35] <tuxcrafter> TheSheep: however there is know an extra d-bus system to talk with dhcp deamons
[23:35] <keb> i use /etc/resolv.conf and ifconfig and route sometimes, when i add weird devices for testing
[23:35] <Mark76> You must have an astonishingly dull desktop, tux
[23:35] <keb> maybe he likes ratpoison
[23:35] <keb> or text console
[23:35] <TheSheep> tuxcrafter: I think it's the otehr way around -- for the dhcp daemon to talk to other apps
[23:35] <Mark76> Is it just a blank screen with a terminal?
[23:36] <tuxcrafter> so the new network manager could interface with dhcpdeamons
[23:36] <TheSheep> Mark76: text mode is very undervalue nowadays
[23:36] <tuxcrafter> keb: Mark76: i like guis but not for configuring my system
[23:36] <Mark76> Ah right. Sorry I thought you meant for everything
[23:37] <tuxcrafter> unless the system setup gui is a good wrapper around a commandline tool
[23:37] <tuxcrafter> then its ok to
[23:37] <tuxcrafter> what the gui can i want to be able to from the commandline
[23:37] <tuxcrafter> so i can automate it
[23:38] <tuxcrafter> Mark76: my desktop looks brilliant btw :-D
[23:38] <Mark76> Cool
[23:38] <keb> got a screenie?
[23:38] <tuxcrafter> i like the new xubuntu theme
[23:38] <Mark76> What's that?
[23:38] <tuxcrafter> the one form vincent and jmak
[23:39] <Mark76> Show me, show me :D
[23:39] <tuxcrafter> standby
[23:39] <Mark76> K
[23:40] <tuxcrafter> http://imagebin.ca/view/HgXqALK5.html
[23:40] <tuxcrafter> open it with your image vieuwer
[23:40] <tuxcrafter> viewer
[23:41] <keb> ooh i see my name
[23:42] <tuxcrafter> and what do you think of it
[23:42] <keb> nice tasteful low-key greys
[23:42] <tuxcrafter> i use 75 MB when its booted up
[23:42] <keb> mine is almost the same but i prefer a black background
[23:42] <keb> to save my monitor
[23:42] <tuxcrafter> thats a new record for me btw
[23:43] <tuxcrafter> i can make it even beter
[23:43] <tuxcrafter> but i have to do modification in the modules it will load
[23:43] <tuxcrafter> and my system is giving me a hard time with that
[23:44] <tuxcrafter> blacklisting modules does not seem to work
[23:44] <keb> how much RAM does your system have?
[23:44] <tuxcrafter> 1GB ddr 2
[23:44] <tuxcrafter> so its in high mem mode
[23:44] <keb> and you only want to use 0.075GB
[23:45] <tuxcrafter> but now i can open 10 big pdf files strait in to my memory :-p
[23:45] <keb> nice
[23:45] <tuxcrafter> and render it fast as hell
[23:47] <tuxcrafter> i am going to do my last reboot
[23:47] <tuxcrafter> brv
[23:49] <tuxcrafter> great is working perfect
[23:49] <Mark76> Cool
[23:49] <tuxcrafter> auto login and auto start of xfce without gdm
[23:49] <Mark76> What is?
[23:49] <tuxcrafter> and auto internet
[23:49] <Mark76> Ah
[23:49] <Mark76> Excellent
[23:49] <tuxcrafter> boot time < 30 secs
[23:49] <tuxcrafter> with 1,2 GHz proc
[23:49] <Mark76> How did you do that?
[23:50] <keb> nice
[23:50] <tuxcrafter> remove a lot of unnecessary things they put in the last gusty release
[23:50] <Mark76> Like?
[23:50] <tuxcrafter> lots of d-bus things
[23:51] <tuxcrafter> like network manager
[23:51] <tuxcrafter> dchpd
[23:51] <Mark76> I don't need network manager?
[23:51] <tuxcrafter> of course not
[23:51] <TheSheep> Mark76: you need it on a laptop
[23:51] <tuxcrafter> exectly
[23:51] <TheSheep> Mark76: or when yuo change networks often
[23:51] <tuxcrafter> so it good its on the system
[23:51] <Mark76> How do I remove these things?
[23:51] <tuxcrafter> Mark76: lots of work
[23:51] <Mark76> Okay
[23:52] <tuxcrafter> i first test them
[23:52] <tuxcrafter> if its stable
[23:52] <tuxcrafter> i post howtos
[23:52] <Mark76> Where?
[23:52] <tuxcrafter> ubuntu forum
[23:52] <Mark76> USer name?
[23:52] <tuxcrafter> tuxcrafter
[23:52] <tuxcrafter> TuxCrafter
[23:52] <Mark76> Ah
[23:53] <Mark76> Which thread should I be looking for?
[23:53] <TuxCrafter> TuxCrafter
[23:53] <Mark76> No, thread
[23:53] <TuxCrafter> Mark76: i dont have speed up how tos posted yet
[23:54] <Mark76> AH
[23:54] <TuxCrafter> only support scripts
[23:54] <TuxCrafter> for problems
[23:54] <TuxCrafter> as you can see
[23:54] <Mark76> Well, guide me in removing nm
[23:54] <TuxCrafter> that one is easy
[23:54] <Mark76> Can I just uninstall from Syn?
[23:55] <TuxCrafter> sudo aptitude purge network-manager
[23:55] <TuxCrafter> sudo aptitude purge dhcdbd
[23:56] <TuxCrafter> sudo vim /etc/network/interfaces
[23:56] <TuxCrafter> # The primary network interface
[23:56] <TuxCrafter> auto eth0
[23:56] <TuxCrafter> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[23:56] <Mark76> Purging nm
[23:56] <TuxCrafter> oja also remove all autostart tools
[23:57] <Mark76> What's dhcdbd?
[23:57] <Mark76> But I like autostart
[23:57] <TuxCrafter> Mark76: just the network manager then
[23:58]  * TuxCrafter is going to sleep in 5 minuts
[23:59]  * TuxCrafter has turned on his awesome DIY beamer system


[06:24] <mlankhorst> woops, nexus7 panic on nfs4 still exists
[06:25] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: so there's a way to fix the race once and for all
[06:25] <mlankhorst> \o/
[06:25] <mlankhorst> Bring out the low orbital satellite death ray!
[06:26] <tjaalton> the short-term fix is to add a job that emits an event on startup or started plymouth-splash, and use that in *dm
[06:26] <tjaalton> *dm.conf
[06:26] <tjaalton> that should cover the case where plymouth is in initramfs, for one reason or another
[06:26] <mlankhorst> can it be trivially backported to precise/quantal?
[06:27] <tjaalton> I hacked it locally to work nicely with 'and (started cryptdisks-enable or started plymouth-splash)' but it works only in this one case :)
[06:27] <tjaalton> should be
[06:27] <tjaalton> this is where the bikeshedding starts :)
[06:27] <tjaalton> like, what to call the job
[06:27] <mlankhorst> bug99something
[06:27] <tjaalton> 982889 :)
[06:28] <tjaalton> .conf
[06:28] <mlankhorst> just call it something ugly and then let the sru admin decide the final name
[06:30] <tjaalton> yeah, not the time for that now
[06:33] <mlankhorst> it's what I end up doing, anyway
[06:48] <mlankhorst> reviewer always gets to decide the name ;P
[07:04] <mlankhorst> ugh building on nexus7 is taking ages
[07:04] <mlankhorst> I have a good feeling about the fix though, your backtrace from bug 56578 seemed like a dupe of the corruption I was hitting
[07:05]  * mlankhorst slaps ubottu around a bit iwth a large trout
[07:05] <tjaalton> I tried the patch and it didn't fix it for me
[07:06] <mlankhorst> yeah that's why I'm compiling myself, see what's still wrong
[07:06] <tjaalton> it's the same one whot is seeing, and what I had with 1.14 too
[07:06] <tjaalton> ah
[07:06] <tjaalton> good
[07:06] <tjaalton> hmm should I push my tree somewhere?
[07:07] <tjaalton> 1.14 is pain, the backport is easier to handle
[07:07] <mlankhorst> 1.14 was working for me though with the patch I wrote
[07:07] <tjaalton> with synaptics
[07:08] <tjaalton> for nexus7 you'll need to do tricks to be able to run unity
[07:08] <tjaalton> or run the backport
[07:09] <mlankhorst> I'm just running nexus7 + 1.13
[07:09] <mlankhorst> default image
[07:09] <mlankhorst> I'm trying with all of the patches linked from that bug
[07:09] <tjaalton> yeah
[07:10] <tjaalton> that's what I meant to push somewhere
[07:10] <mlankhorst> it's building that's a pain
[07:10] <tjaalton> build it parallel=3
[07:10] <mlankhorst> nfs4 mount causes the nexus to reboot, so I had to force nfsvers=3
[07:10] <mlankhorst> and wireless is not that good here :(
[07:11] <tjaalton> copy the source locally
[07:11] <mlankhorst> yeah next time :P
[07:11] <tjaalton> faster that way
[07:11] <mlankhorst> I'll try connecting it through usb
[07:11] <mlankhorst> actually should be doable on my panda, it already bridges the network to a wireless access point anyway
[07:12] <mlankhorst> I don't run the access point atm since it seems to cause memory corruption
[07:34] <tjaalton> added 'status plymouth-splash | grep -q "start/running" && exit 0' before exec lightdm in the job, without adding any preconditions
[07:34] <tjaalton> seems to work, but there's a strange timeout
[07:34] <tjaalton> and this would only fix lightdm..
[08:04] <mlankhorst> yeah getting same crash on nexus
[08:05] <mlankhorst> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5697733/
[08:12] <mlankhorst> we're missing c0a752d2864872023216005375a6a1973fadeffe but probably harmless
[08:20] <mlankhorst> fix for #57301 too, dno about that, probably needs the commit before that as well
[08:22] <tjaalton> doesn't hurt to try
[08:30] <mlankhorst> I feel like just doing a raw diff on exevents.c and grabs.c, see what differs..
[08:32] <mlankhorst> hm same, except pointer barriers
[10:09] <mlankhorst> ogra_: I have no luck so far with digging through the pointer barrier stuff :/
[10:09] <ogra_> :/
[10:09] <ogra_> sad
[10:19] <mlankhorst> I think that x1.14 is crashing in the same way tbh
[10:29] <ogra_> hard to tell since you dont have awroking driver for it
[10:29] <ogra_> *a working
[10:31] <tjaalton> I built 1.14 without the video abi changing bits
[10:34] <mlankhorst> the only thing I can see that's different is pointer barriers though, which shouldn't get in the way anyway
[10:44] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: yeah but compiz isn't the same either
[10:46] <tjaalton> what does that change?
[10:48] <mlankhorst> they're handled in different places with the old patch from what I can tell
[10:51] <tjaalton> you mean unity?
[10:52] <mlankhorst> hm I'll try the same 1.13 on macbook, see if it crashes
[10:52] <tjaalton> i used the staging version which was ported to 1.14
[11:00] <mlankhorst> as I expected, 1.13.3 works on the macbook
[11:03] <mlankhorst> hm the only difference seems to be that I don't get the window drag thingy with synaptics
[11:03] <mlankhorst> oh right, 3 buttons is middle click
[11:05] <ogra_> hmm, so we just need to ship macbooks with the nexus7 images ?
[11:05] <mlankhorst> nah
[11:05] <mlankhorst> macbook uses synaptics
[11:08] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: I'm going to assume for now that the reason I can't trigger it on my macbook is that it's a different bug, I don't get the 3 fingers move window thing that I did get on nexus7
[11:25] <mlankhorst> ogra_: can I enable the onscreen keyboard from the nexus on desktop?
[11:28] <mlankhorst> ah got it
[11:28] <mlankhorst> BOOM
[11:29] <mlankhorst> now lets see if the same happens on 1.14
[11:35] <mlankhorst> oops looks like it was the original bug, forgot to reapply the patches to 1.13 :/
[11:58] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: it's not the same driver either
[12:09] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: i told you ;)
[12:10] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: true but I was hoping I could find a way to reproduce it on the macbook
[12:10] <tjaalton> sure, would've been easier
[12:10] <tjaalton> any touchscreen device should do
[12:37] <mlankhorst> oh btw also fun, I noticed that in plymouth card0 is used blindly, instead of looking for boot vga
[12:42] <tjaalton> i pinged whot the other day btw, said he's been busy with other bugs lately and hasn't had time to look into this again
[12:43] <mlankhorst> :(
[12:43] <tjaalton> kinda promised to look soon I think
[12:43] <mlankhorst> lets see if I can crank up the debugging and figure it out myself then
[12:46] <mlankhorst> or at least make some xorg-integration-tests thing out of it
[13:13] <DamienCassou> hi everyone
[13:15] <DamienCassou> I'm building a package for an upstream project that can only be compiled to 32bits. This project depends on the presence of libGL.so.1 and libX11.so.6 at execution time. What are the best packages to depend on?
[13:15] <DamienCassou> is it libx11-6 and libgl1?
[13:16] <tjaalton> libgl1-mesa-glx
[13:17] <jcristau> the best package to depend on is ${shlibs:Depends}, and let dpkg-shlibs figure it out from there.
[13:17] <tjaalton> yeah, true
[13:17] <jcristau> *dpkg-shlibdeps
[13:17] <DamienCassou> tjaalton: thank you. It looks like there are other providers of this binary like nvidia*. Will that be ok?
[13:17] <tjaalton> should be
[13:18] <DamienCassou> jcristau: thanks. I already have this one but these packages didn't get installed
[13:18] <tjaalton> you need to fix the packaging then
[13:18] <DamienCassou> tjaalton: do you some minutes to mentor me?
[13:19] <tjaalton> DamienCassou: sorry, no. try #ubuntu-motu
[13:19] <DamienCassou> ok, thank you
[13:46] <mlankhorst> why does xinput2 have to be some complicated
[13:53]  * mlankhorst guesses it's related to TouchRemovePointerGrab being a stub
[14:12] <mlankhorst> I think I'll give up, there's too much obfuscation between dix and Xi to make sense of anything.. the whole emulation, touch listeners and active vs passive grabs is not helping much either
[14:15] <mlankhorst> cnd: ^ looks like you managed to stay interested in xi2 longer than me!
[14:27] <gotwig> is nvidia-319 coming to ubuntu linux 13.04?
[14:29] <gotwig> public repo?
[14:29] <gotwig> Multi/Universe?
[14:30] <tjaalton> tseliot knows when
[14:30] <gotwig> tjaalton: but you think it comes?
[14:31] <mlankhorst> what do you need from 319 that you care so much?
[14:33] <gotwig> mlankhorst: do you even know what it offers...??
[14:33] <gotwig> mlankhorst: you are able to render stuff on nvidia graphics card, and display it via intel drivers
[14:34] <mlankhorst> .. on a precise xserver?
[14:34] <mlankhorst> you know more than me then
[14:39] <mlankhorst> or precise kernel for that matter
[14:39] <cnd> mlankhorst: yeah, xinput2.2 is a hairy hairy beast...
[14:40] <mlankhorst> 2.3 now, pointer barriers
[14:40] <mlankhorst> but I don't believe it's the cause of the bug, so xi2.2 is fine with me too
[14:42] <cnd> heh
[14:46] <tjaalton> gotwig was wrong
[14:46] <tjaalton> can't use -intel
[14:46] <mlankhorst> well perhaps if you hack xserver you could, by pretending nvidia is the primary device
[14:47] <tseliot> it supports prime but definitely won't work in Precise
[14:48] <mlankhorst> you need the drm-trololol-gpl patches first
[14:48] <mlankhorst> i doubt they were in 3.5 kernel, so unless the backported hsw has them it won't work even with the 3.5 kernel\
[14:49] <tseliot> didn't they work around the gpl symbols?
[14:49] <mlankhorst> yeah by using the drm helper stuff they wrote
[14:49] <tseliot> it's all in our 3.8 kernel
[14:49] <tseliot> yep
[14:49] <mlankhorst> but 3.8 is not in precise yet, I think?
[14:49] <mlankhorst> ohey, it even might be
[14:51] <mlankhorst> oh well I'll have to file a bug to get the dependencies for xserver-xorg-lts-raring ready then
[14:53] <tseliot> right
[15:05] <mlankhorst> will we still get 9.1?
[15:11] <tjaalton> probably
[15:12] <tjaalton> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/266/builds/41730/testcases/1515/results
[15:12] <tjaalton> mostly intel testers though
[15:13] <tjaalton> anyone with radeon & nouveau please test ^ :)
[15:15] <mlankhorst> worksforme? what exactly do you want from the tests?
[15:18] <gotwig> hey
[15:19] <tjaalton> gotwig: realized you can't use -intel driver with nvidia? :)
[15:33] <bjsnider> he asked about raring, not precise
[15:39] <mlankhorst> bjsnider: yeah still wont work with optimus in the way he described it..
[15:40] <bjsnider> still, one must admire the strength of his convictions
[15:43] <mlankhorst> meh it was probably on phoronix like that
[15:56] <gotwig> any chance to see nvidia-319 on ubuntu 13.04 repo?
[15:59] <bjsnider> at some point it will be there
[16:00] <gotwig> bjsnider: but for that we need more actual packages of Xorg and xrandr I guess?
[16:00] <bjsnider> i don't see why
[16:01] <gotwig> e.g xrandr 1.4
[16:01] <gotwig> and normaly you need kernel 3.9, for the prime helpers
[16:02] <gotwig> but kernel 3.8 is going to be the default kernel for ubuntu, right?
[16:03] <bjsnider> well, maybe, but i don't think there's any rush because some people have tried it the past couple of days and reported it doesn't work
[16:05] <gotwig> bjsnider: for me it also doesnt work normaly
[16:05] <gotwig> bjsnider: I use optimus
[16:05] <gotwig> but when you look at the changelog.. well, there are not many improvements
[16:05] <bjsnider> that's what they've been testing
[16:06] <gotwig> and if you install nvidia-319, bumblebee-nvidia gets removed. Why?
[16:07] <bjsnider> because the two are mutually exclusive
[16:07] <seb128> intel_do_flush_locked failed: Input/output error
[16:07] <seb128> hate you too intel
[16:08]  * seb128 reboots
[16:09] <gotwig> bjsnider: they are what?
[17:13] <dupondje_> gotwig: trying to install nvidia blob ?
[17:13] <dupondje_> :)
[17:14] <mlankhorst> he believes it will give him optimus :/
[17:14] <dupondje_> héhé :P
[17:14] <gotwig> dupondje_: what?
[17:14] <gotwig> Let me believe :(
[17:14]  * gotwig cries
[17:15] <dupondje_> it isn't even capable to give me a gnome-shell here :(
[17:15] <gotwig> dupondje_: I ask if nvidia-319 is going to come to ubuntu repos
[17:15] <dupondje_> you can try the xorg ppa :)
[17:16] <dupondje_> mlankhorst: which I could help getting nouveau optimus ready :)
[17:16] <gotwig> dupondje_: When I try to use such PPA's, my multitouch does no longer work
[17:16] <gotwig> when nvidia-319 is in ubuntu repos, I am sure that I am not going to break my system, and all dependencies are in place
[17:17] <gotwig> dupondje_: nouveau is a good thing. The optimus support is a nice idea
[17:17] <dupondje_> I hope for you :) Tried to install it yesterday, and gnome-shell didn't even start :(
[17:17] <gotwig> dupondje_: do you think, nouveau is going to be able to use prime helpers?
[17:17] <mlankhorst> ._.
[17:17] <dupondje_> so *sad*
[17:17] <gotwig> dupondje_: its not gnome shells fault
[17:18] <dupondje_> I know .. its the **** nvidia driver's fault ;)
[17:18] <gotwig_> hey there sry..
[17:18] <gotwig_> like i said, its not GS fault
[17:41] <bjsnider> dupondje_, you're a fellow gnome-shell user?
[18:30] <dupondje_> bjsnider: yep :)
[20:25] <gotwig> hey
[20:25] <gotwig> I have an asus zenbookux32vd
[20:25] <gotwig> I have optimus, nvidia and intel hd graphics
[20:25] <gotwig> When i try to follow this guide to reset the DPI with xrandr https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AsusZenbook it doesnt work
[20:26] <gotwig> However, if I e.g apply VGA1 when I use an external display it works
[20:26] <gotwig> how can I find out the name of my notebook screen for xrandr?
[20:27] <bryce> xrandr -v
[20:27] <gotwig> xrandr program version       1.3.5 Server reports RandR version 1.4
[20:28] <bryce> it's probably called LVDS1
[20:28] <bryce> sorry, xrandr -q
[20:28] <gotwig> eDP1
[20:29] <bryce> ah, one of those.
[20:29] <gotwig> ok
[20:29] <gotwig> I can now set the gama
[20:29] <gotwig> but the DPI are still untouched
[20:29] <gotwig> why
[20:29] <gotwig> I set higher and lower
[20:29] <gotwig> nothing changes
[20:30] <gotwig> same issue
[20:30] <gotwig> from ubuntu 12.04 - 13.04
[20:31] <gotwig> bryce: what can I do
[20:35] <bryce> gotwig, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu+raring+how+to+change+the+font+dpi+settings
[20:36] <gotwig> bryce: text scaling is not the same
[20:37] <gotwig> bryce: I already use text scaling, and btw. these AskUbuntu answers are more than bad. They are noob friendly.. this is a good article: http://robswain.tumblr.com/post/14209540835/xorg-gnome-3-on-high-dpi-screens
[20:45] <gotwig> bryce: maybe I am just stupid
[20:45] <gotwig> I think it works
[20:45] <gotwig> but I just cant notice it
[20:57] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: btw, I had uploaded 2.21.6-0u1 already
[20:57] <tjaalton> so you'd need to update the changelog if you merge from d-e
[21:27] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: too late :)
[21:35] <bryce> mlankhorst, I went ahead and included the change in my upload.  If it should not go in let me know asap so I can reverse it.
[21:36] <bryce> and yeah +1 to changelog entries :-)
[21:45] <tjaalton> huh, we don't have xrandr 1.4 in x11-xserver-utils yet
[21:45] <tjaalton> didn't know that
[21:50] <tjaalton> ..but provider stuff is patched in
[21:51] <tjaalton> oh I did it, getting old it seems
[22:07] <bryce> heh
[22:07] <bryce> I've been running into that myself.


[15:47] <joeyk> right
[15:47] <joeyk> this one
[15:47] <JonathanD> yes
[15:47] <JonathanD> this one
[16:09] <Broam> yep


[10:18] <KBar> Hi. Xubuntu 20.04.3 LTS with xfce4-panel 4.14.3. Panel items really seem to be checkboxes (pavucontrol, xkb, xfce4-notifyd, etc.), which raises one problem: if one of them is checked (depressed), others are unhoverable. Wouldn't it be better if they were to act like menubar items?
[10:20] <KBar> I haven't tested this on newer releases. Shall I file a feature request?