[00:47] <jjesse> test?
[00:47] <jjesse> trying to figure out internet connection at hotel
[00:48] <yuriy> jjesse: 3 successful tests so far ;)
[06:51] <manchicken> Have you all seen gOS yet?
[07:56] <dragon76> hardy alpha1 running well out of box on everex laptop
[08:21] <sebastian^> good morning folks :)
[08:25] <mhb> sebastian^: hello
[08:27] <sebastian^> hey mhb
[10:21] <Tonio_> hi
[10:21] <Tonio_> fdoving: ping ?
[10:21] <fdoving> hi.
[10:21]  * Jucato waves around the room
[10:21] <Tonio_> fdoving: had time to work yesterday ? I will to do something today, so just to be sure to dupe efforts....
[10:21] <Tonio_> hey Jucato
[10:22] <fdoving> Tonio_: no, busy most of yesterday, no time.
[10:22] <Tonio_> fdoving: no pb ;) I'll try to do something today and will let you know
[11:03] <Tonio_> fdoving: talking about the xauthority problems, I noticed that sudo allows to preserve an env variable
[11:03] <Tonio_> fdoving: if XAUTHORITY is set, and we force sudo to preserve it, there is no need of a tweak with the -H option
[11:03] <Tonio_> fdoving: is that acceptable doing this this way or not ?
[11:05] <Tonio_> fdoving: I don't see the point playing with iceauthority vs xauthority, but I may miss something on that point
[11:12] <fdoving> Tonio_: they kind of do different things. imagine you have user1 trying to do 'kdesudo -u user2 konuqeror' - if you only preserv the environment-variable which basicailly is the path to /home/user1/.Xauthority - user2 would not be able to read that file and it would fail.
[11:13] <fdoving> it would work when kdesudoing to root, and it's the way it's currently done in gutsy iirc.
[11:13] <Tonio_> oki got it
[11:13] <fdoving> the -H is primarily for the $HOME variable.
[11:14] <Tonio_> fdoving: switching to kprocess worked :) good point, now clean for the hacks done before
[11:14] <fdoving> let me know when you have pushed to bzr.
[11:14] <Tonio_> fdoving: I know concerning the -H, but when no env is set, X looks to $HOME/.Xauthority
[11:14] <Tonio_> fdoving: that's why sudo konqueror when sudo -H konqueror doesn't
[11:14] <Tonio_> fdoving: just export your Xauthority and that's it
[11:14] <Tonio_> fdoving: sure I will
[11:15] <fdoving> exporting can work, if your .Xauthority got the right permissions.
[11:16] <fdoving> root can of course read everything, once you start using other users it becomes advanced.
[11:16] <fdoving> you can of course copy your .Xauthority to some magic place and/or give it less restrictive permissions.
[11:16] <fdoving> I've commented about it in the source somewhere.
[11:16] <fdoving> The same problem arise when making new xauth keys.
[11:16] <fdoving> but they timeout after some set time.
[11:17] <fdoving> which is a good thing imo.
[11:26] <Tonio_> fdoving: can you remind me of a simple example of a problem kshellprocess might create ?
[11:26] <Tonio_> fdoving: last time you gave me an example, but I can't seem to remember in fact ;)
[11:27] <fdoving> Tonio_: it needs properly escaped input. it's easy to trick it into executing things by naming files/directories for example.
[11:27] <fdoving> the problem is that everything is executed with the help from /bin/sh
[11:27] <fdoving> with kprocess it's not.
[11:28] <Tonio_> fdoving: yep, but even with kprocess I can reproduce the issue if I don't quote all args....
[11:28] <Tonio_> fdoving: tricky isn't it ?
[11:28] <Tonio_> opening as root "konqueror:konqueror" starts konqueror as root, then as user
[11:29] <Tonio_> s/:/;
[11:29] <fdoving> you didn't set 'setUseShell' did you ?
[11:29] <fdoving> it needs to be false.
[11:30] <Tonio_> fdoving: nope I didn't, isn't false the default ?
[11:31] <fdoving> should be.
[11:33] <fdoving> what if you use KProcess:quote() ?
[11:34] <fdoving> i need to go, back in ~30min, driving to a different house.
[11:34] <Tonio_> oki ;)
[11:52] <Krasu> apachelogger__ : hi
[11:57]  * Riddell throws bug 173882 at apachelogger__
[11:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173882 in kopete-plugin-thinklight "changelog error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173882
[11:58]  * Hobbsee throws all but that bug at Riddell
[12:00] <sebastian^> ^^
[12:00]  * Riddell starts swimming
[12:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: fix them, isntead of swimming through the
[12:01] <Hobbsee> m
[12:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: dood, this kpar2 isn't going to stick
[12:06] <Riddell> what have archive admin said to you before?
[12:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: nothing
[12:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: got removed once by Hobbsee since I uploaded by error on ubuntu instead of revu
[12:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: now it is reviewed, archived and uploaded to ubuntu
[12:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: dunno what the problem is....
[12:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's GPL 3
[12:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: lemme look
[12:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: COPYING mentions gpl v2
[12:13] <Riddell> all the source files are GPL 3
[12:14] <Tonio_> hum, true :/
[12:14] <Tonio_> okay I'll have to see that with upstream then :/
[12:17] <Riddell> thanks
[12:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: sorry for missing that..... stupid copying file....
[12:42] <mhb> good afternoon, what's up?
[12:43] <Hobbsee> the sky
[12:43] <Hobbsee> or the ground, if you're on your head
[12:43] <Jucato> Hobbsee dancing in and out
[12:43] <Jucato> or the walls, if you're lying down...
[12:43] <Jucato> I think
[12:43] <Hobbsee> X borkage
[12:44] <Jucato> awts
[12:44] <Jucato> er..I meant ouch
[12:44] <mhb> well, better back to school
[12:44] <mhb> not much fun here :o)
[12:46] <Tonio_> fdoving: little problem here, you told me not to use a shell process, and connect to a pty
[12:46] <Tonio_> but usepty sets shellprocess to true... that's the problem :)
[12:46] <Tonio_> fdoving: http://www.mcs.vuw.ac.nz/technical/software/doc/kde/HTML/en/kdelibs-apidocs/kdecore/html/kprocess_8cpp-source.html
[12:47] <Tonio_> fdoving: look line 100
[12:51] <Riddell> so, I need a final session for kubuntu tutorial day
[12:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: fancy doing the second packaging tutorial?
[12:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: may not have time today but why not yes
[12:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: when is it ?
[12:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: thu 13th, 18:00utc
[12:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will be in toulouse for work
[12:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: unsure to have internet connexion :'(
[12:54] <Riddell> ooh la la
[12:54] <Tonio_> et oui :/
[12:54] <Riddell> maybe mhb could take it on
[12:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: lemme look at the calendar
[12:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, I'll be in the middle of a class session arround samba....
[12:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: hard to do kubuntu at the same time :)
[12:55] <Riddell> class session?
[12:56] <Tonio_> yep
[12:57] <Tonio_> euh......
[12:57] <Tonio_> isn't that correct in english ?
[12:57] <Tonio_> I'm giving a samba session for 10 users
[12:57] <Riddell> it is, I just didn't know your work included that kind of thing
[12:57] <Tonio_> "class" was bad french translation sorry :)
[12:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep it does
[12:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: as well as giving interviews to recruit new people and so on
[12:58] <apachelogger__> meh
[12:59] <Riddell> or maybe we should have a general getting your work into Kubuntu, intro to PPA, revu, MOTU etc
[13:01] <apachelogger__> Riddell: bug 173882 is all jpatrick's fault :P
[13:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173882 in kopete-plugin-thinklight "changelog error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173882
[13:01] <Riddell> apachelogger__: well he's not around to throw it at :)
[13:01]  * apachelogger__ is wondering what that line isn't parsable after all
[13:02] <fdoving> Tonio_: interessting. tried without a pty then?
[13:04] <apachelogger__> omm
[13:04] <apachelogger__> I am out of disk spaces -.-
[13:04] <Tonio_> fdoving: works
[13:04] <fdoving> Tonio_: great, works as we want it to?
[13:04] <Tonio_> fdoving: btw, as long as everything is quoted (I used kprocess:quote), a shellprocess might not be that a big problem
[13:05] <Tonio_> fdoving: I have the feeling that a shellprocess is used in fact
[13:05] <fdoving> in theory it is evil even if you quote.
[13:05] <fdoving> for such a program.
[13:06] <Tonio_> fdoving: the problem I have is that I can't seem to read the "passprompt" required to push the password
[13:06] <Tonio_> fdoving: sudo needs shell on that point
[13:06] <fdoving> yep.
[13:07] <Tonio_> fdoving: fo the moment I'll keep the pty thing, whatever it sets, and will do the quoting correctly, then make hudge tests, and we can rediscuss this later
[13:07] <Tonio_> also I'll have a look at how does gksu work
[13:07] <fdoving> ok.
[13:08] <fdoving> does the usePty make it appear as it should in /var/run/sudo/$user ?
[13:08] <Tonio_> fdoving: the problem is I think that sudo interacts with the user, and for that a shell process is needed
[13:08] <Tonio_> fdoving: there's no way to use a cmdline option to push the password, that's my concern
[13:09] <Tonio_> fdoving: stop me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there is an easy solution on that point
[13:09] <Tonio_> fdoving: concerning the pty I'll test and will let you know
[13:09] <Tonio_> fdoving: also, always using the same pty would help in making the -k option to work right ?
[13:10] <fdoving> no idea. but it might help :)
[13:12] <Tonio_> fdoving: also what is the kdesu -t option ?
[13:12] <Tonio_> fdoving: looks that this is the one missing that causes problems with kdevelop and so on right ?
[13:12] <fdoving> yep.
[13:13] <Tonio_> fdoving: hard to implement ?
[13:13] <fdoving> don't know.
[13:13] <fdoving> but looking at kdesu it's not that simple.
[13:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: fix uploaded
[13:19] <Riddell> thanks apachelogger
[13:25] <Riddell> Hobbsee: how do you do nbs?
[13:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: fix the packages so that nothing depends on the packages in the nbs list
[13:26] <Hobbsee> each nbs package shows the packages which depend on it, so you can fix them
[13:30] <Riddell> Hobbsee: where's the list again?
[13:30] <Hobbsee> p.u.c/~u-a/NBS
[13:31] <Riddell> ah hah
[14:03] <Tonio_> fdoving: I'm pretty happy with kdesudo right now
[14:03] <Tonio_> fdoving: the only problem is that parsing -c option and all args correctly results an horrible command with the quotes
[14:04] <Tonio_> fdoving: I'm not sure we want to show the command to the user....
[14:04] <Tonio_> fdoving: btw gksu doesn't
[14:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: have any opinion on that point ?
[14:05] <Tonio_> fdoving: I think the solution would be a "details" clickable button for those who want to check out the command
[14:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's the question?
[14:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: do we want to always show the command to the user with kdesudo
[14:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: some commands are pretty ugly, like the dolphin's "run as root "
[14:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: I've always thought it a horrible security risk not to, but as you say gksudo doesn't and it's pretty ugly at times
[14:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: I suggest to put a "details" button with the command in it
[14:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: maybe you should ask kees for a justification for it to be hidden
[14:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: well the comprimise idea doesn't comprimise security, but doesn't show the command for all users everytime, I'd say
[14:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, seems sensible
[14:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: most kdesudo problems will be fixed toonight, thanks for fdoving's suggestions for the code
[14:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: next will be finishing kio-apt
[14:10]  * Riddell hugs Tonio_
[14:17] <rexbron> hey everyone, I have some updated info on bug 173770. Would someone be able to take a look?
[14:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173770 in kdelibs "kdelibs-data is un-uninstallable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173770
[14:17] <fdoving> Tonio_: how is it ugly? - very quoted?
[14:18] <Riddell> rexbron: gutsy or hardy?
[14:18] <rexbron> Riddell: Hardy
[14:18] <fdoving> Tonio_: i don't mind hiding the command. i belive gksu got this option to enable showing it. probably gconf-key thing.
[14:18] <rexbron> is there #kubuntu+1?
[14:19] <rexbron> lol, guess not
[14:20] <Hobbsee> rexbron: there is, adn we dont use it
[14:20] <rexbron> Riddell: I should also mention that it is kdelibs in Ubuntu
[14:22] <Tonio_> fdoving: every component of the command is quoted
[14:22] <fdoving> Tonio_: like: "some" "magic" "command" ?
[14:22] <Tonio_> yep
[14:22] <Tonio_> hard to read for the user
[14:23] <Tonio_> fdoving: I'll try to "pseudo hide" it, with a details button or something
[14:25] <Riddell> rexbron: just installed and removed kdelibs-data in a chroot, no problems at all
[14:25] <rexbron> wow weird
[14:26] <Riddell> I'm entirely out of ideas what could cause your problem
[14:26] <rexbron> I don't know what to do other than a reinstall
[14:26] <rexbron> as apt it completely borked
[14:26] <Riddell> mkdir /usr/share/icons/crystalsvg then apt-get remove?
[14:26] <rexbron> Apt tried to remove that package first, and since it fails, refuses to do anything else
[14:26] <rexbron> i'll give that a try
[14:27] <fdoving> Tonio_: hmm.. does kdesu quote like that? - or gksu?
[14:27] <rexbron> Riddell: <3 :D
[14:27] <Riddell> rexbron: the problem is the script /var/lib/dpkg/info/kdelibs-data.postrm
[14:27] <Riddell> so maybe it's an issue with update-icon-caches in hardy
[14:28] <fdoving> Tonio_: gksu tells you: The application 'bah' lets you modify essential parts of your system.
[14:28] <rexbron> Riddell: if that last message did not convey my meaning properly, it worked, thanks a lot
[14:29] <Riddell> rexbron: ah hah, I recreated it
[14:29] <Riddell> I wonder where that update-icon-caches script came from
[14:29] <Riddell> the kdelibs one
[14:29] <Riddell> rexbron: if I have gtk installed that brings in update-icon-caches and the problem appears
[14:29] <Riddell> so iz gtk bug :)
[14:30] <rexbron> time to reassign :P
[14:30] <Riddell> well maybe the kdelibs script is just not using it correctly
[14:31] <Riddell> hmm, no, that postinst is automatically created
[14:31] <Tonio_> fdoving: we already put the application name to the user, and the command
[14:31] <Tonio_> that, I'd like to get rid of in fact
[14:32] <fdoving> pushed anything to bzr yet?
[14:42] <claydoh> http://tinyurl.com/2fbk9s kde-look poll :)
[14:42] <claydoh> tho opensuse is catching up....
[14:42] <Jucato> (broken link?)
[14:42] <Jucato> oh nvm
[14:44] <Riddell> well it's on kde-look.org
[14:52] <Krasu> apachelogger: ping
[14:53] <apachelogger> Krasu: hi
[14:53] <Krasu> well?
[14:53] <apachelogger> Krasu: sorry, didn't have time to look at the tarball yet
[14:53]  * apachelogger tells amarok peeps to wait ;-)
[14:53] <Krasu> ok...
[14:54] <Krasu> I just wanted to know
[14:54] <apachelogger> Krasu: well, the tarball should be ok if you fixed everything I mentioned
[14:55] <Krasu> apachelogger: I just want be sure that incoming 0.8.0 (not 0.7.6 :) ) will be added to KUbuntu withou problems. Ok, let me know when you test tarball, ok?
[14:55] <apachelogger> yep
[14:56]  * apachelogger notes that his konqueror is lagging like hell -.-
[14:58] <Riddell> hi mzungu
[14:58] <mzungu> hi Riddell
[14:59] <Riddell> mzungu: am I right in thinking your nick is Swahili for "white person"?
[14:59] <mzungu> lol - yes
[15:00] <Riddell> excellent, I have now doubled my Swahili vocabulary
[15:00] <Jucato> hehe :)
[15:00] <mzungu> ...and (if you check the wili, or launchpad) you'll see it's really my name ;)
[15:00] <mzungu> s/wili/wiki/
[15:01] <mzungu> and it's what guys in the street call out ;)
[15:01] <Riddell> "Tony White" it all fits together now
[15:02] <mzungu> :D
[15:03] <mzungu> here's two more - hakuna matata
[15:03] <mzungu> (np)
[15:03] <Jucato> Timon and Pumbaa?
[15:03] <Riddell> does it really mean "no worries"?
[15:03] <mzungu> yup
[15:03] <Jucato> :D
[15:03] <Riddell> disney is so educational
[15:03] <mzungu> but more for the tourists
[15:03] <Jucato> hahah )
[15:04] <mzungu> we usually say - hakuna tabu
[15:04] <mzungu> walt has a LOT to answer for!
[15:04] <Riddell> imbrandon: looks like mplayer failed miserably
[15:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: needs rebuilt against new x264-54 package
[15:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: should work afterwards
[15:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: he did that, it failed to compile in a nasty way
[15:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah....
[15:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: just gotten the -k option to work with kdesudo, hehe :)
[15:29] <Tonio_> now kdesu -s will work as expected
[15:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: what does that do?
[15:29] <Tonio_> forget passwords
[15:29] <Tonio_> kdesu -s = sudo -k
[15:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: I remember you tried that one out, but it didn't work
[15:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: connect to pty makes it to work as expected
[15:30] <Tonio_> as well as using the user name in /var/run/sudo
[15:30] <dragon76> hey everyone
[15:31] <Tonio_> fdoving: I'll commit today, so that you can review the changes
[15:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: you got it to connect to a pty?
[15:31] <Riddell> hi dragon76
[15:32] <dragon76> has anyone else had trouble getting kdm to start using 2.6.24 in hardy?
[15:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: well just kprocess::setusepty seems to work
[15:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: doesn't it set a different pty for every use?
[15:32] <Tonio_> nope
[15:32] <Tonio_> well I didn't look
[15:32] <Riddell> hrm, I'm sure it did when I tried
[15:32] <Riddell> run kdesu twice and see if it remembers the password
[15:33] <Tonio_> it always sets the same pty from the same pty :)
[15:33] <Tonio_> means used with command line
[15:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: would be interesting to test with desktop files, let me check
[15:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: that works
[15:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is interesting is if once launched via desktop file I can empty the password cache using kdesu from the shell
[15:37] <Tonio_> if tat works it'd be perfect
[15:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: works as expected
[15:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: password is remembered as long as you run kdesu -s
[15:38] <Tonio_> ;)
[15:39] <Tonio_> hehe, don't ask me how I did, c++ is still a mystery for me, but as long as it works... ^_^
[15:39] <dragon76> has anyone tested 2.6.24 kernel in hardy???
[15:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: we may have to consider a security update for gutsy once tested
[15:40] <Riddell> dragon76: can't say I have actually
[15:41] <dragon76> kdm doesn't want to start...  Have to reboot into the other kernel... Anything I should check that would help out?
[15:50] <Riddell> dragon76: just try starting X on its own
[15:51] <dragon76> will do...
[16:11] <nixternal> oi oi
[16:12] <nixternal> Riddell: I may ditch on Thursday, actually more than likely I will, so I can do some talking if needed
[16:20] <Riddell> nixternal: eek, don't skip class on our account
[16:24] <DaSkreech> Jucato: moin
[16:26] <nixternal> Riddell: only for you :)
[16:29] <Riddell> nixternal: there's a Q&A session at 1900utc
[16:40] <nixternal> groovy
[16:56] <Riddell> ta da https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay
[16:56] <fdoving> Tonio_: we should also make a manpage for kdesudo, bug 162823 can be confusing.
[16:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162823 in kdesudo "wrong manpage for kdesu is shown" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162823
[16:57] <fdoving> and the diverting should also include the manpage.
[16:57] <fdoving> if that approach is still valid.
[16:58] <nixternal> so no documentation then I take it
[16:59] <Jucato> "branch your svn with bzr"? :D
[16:59] <Jucato> hi DaSkreech
[16:59] <Riddell> Jucato: I'm hoping I can work out how before next week
[16:59] <DaSkreech> Then dump it all in git :)
[16:59] <Jucato> lol
[16:59] <nixternal> Riddell: that stuff is next week? hahaha, I thought it was this week :)
[17:00] <nixternal> damn, I might not be able to ditch, that is finals
[17:00] <nixternal> but I can probably make time
[17:01] <nixternal> Final Evaluations/Culminating Activities: Dec. 13 to 19
[17:01] <Riddell> nixternal: sorry, it's next week indeed
[17:01] <nixternal> hrmm, I might be able to make it then especially if we do our finals for this class the following week
[17:01] <nixternal> we should be good to go then
[17:01] <Riddell> nixternal: well if you can't no problem, I can do it
[17:01] <nixternal> man, I have a lot of project work I gotta finish up
[17:13] <Tonio_> fdoving: there is a manpage
[17:13] <Tonio_> fdoving: but we should also divert the kdesu manpage
[17:13] <Tonio_> fdoving: I'm just reading at all the little bugs and fix them
[17:44] <mhb> good evening to all good folks out here
[17:44]  * DaSkreech waves
[17:44]  * Jucato waves goodnight
[17:45] <mhb> why are we doing this on Thursday?
[17:45] <mhb> tutorial day, that is
[17:46] <Jucato> lol!! I was wondering why Dec 13 was tuesday on my calendar :)
[17:46]  * Jucato was looking at november...
[17:47] <mhb> that is our Jucato
[17:47] <Jucato> :)
[17:47] <Jucato> bye :)
[17:48] <mhb> umm...
[17:48] <Jucato> Wed Dec  5 01:48:10 PHT 2007
[17:48] <Jucato> that cries "bed" :D
[17:48] <mhb> have I missed a new person in our midst?
[17:49] <nosrednaekim> c ya Jucato
[17:49] <nosrednaekim> who's that?
[17:49] <Riddell> mhb: the day was picked by Jono, seems as good as any
[17:49] <mhb> txwikinger
[17:49] <mhb> Riddell: not sure who we are aiming at, but audiences under 60 usually have their days filled with doing stuff
[17:50] <mhb> workdays
[17:50] <Riddell> people often have weekend filled too
[17:51] <mhb> oh sure, we cannot find a date for everyone, but my unproved theory states that statistically, people have more time on weekends
[17:52] <mhb> that is why we wanted meetings take place at weekends, because people have time
[17:53] <mhb> usually
[17:53] <mhb> meh, why do I care?
[17:53] <mhb> I wish you luck.
[17:54] <Riddell> you care because you're an elite kubuntu developer?
[17:54] <DaSkreech> nigh Jucato
[17:56] <mhb> Riddell: you are right, I better get back to work to earn that title :o)
[18:06] <mhb> Riddell: is d3lphin's source code actively put somewhere?
[18:06] <mhb> or should I fork it?
[18:06] <mhb> from apt-get source
[18:08] <mhb> hmm, forking it, I guess
[18:08] <nosrednaekim> mhb: fixing dolphin? cool
[18:09] <mhb> nosrednaekim: someone has to do it
[18:11] <mhb> nosrednaekim: fixing the KDE3 one
[18:12] <nosrednaekim> :)
[18:12] <nosrednaekim> you know c++?
[18:12] <coreymon77> me?
[18:12] <coreymon77> no
[18:12] <mhb> nosrednaekim: I know everything :o)
[18:13] <mhb> nosrednaekim: well, I know everything except for the thing that I know everything
[18:13] <nosrednaekim> hehe....
[18:13] <coreymon77> mhb: huh?
[18:13] <mhb> the day is never complete without a strange loop
[18:14] <coreymon77> mhb: you mean you know everything except for what you dont know?
[18:14] <coreymon77> cause in that case
[18:14] <coreymon77> i know everything too
[18:14] <coreymon77> :P
[18:19] <mhb> Imagine you are a person with just one year to live, and yet the ones you love really care about you and try to make you shine in your last days...
[18:20] <mhb> Then you know how my branch of D3lphin must feel
[18:20] <nosrednaekim> hehe
[18:20] <nosrednaekim> hey.... the kde4 dolphin is amazing..
[18:20] <nosrednaekim> if you can make the KDE3 one as good..
[18:21] <nosrednaekim> its'll be ayear well spent
[18:21] <nosrednaekim> *it'll be a year
[18:21] <DaSkreech> for the year it will be used :)
[18:21] <mhb> nosrednaekim: indeed, having a brother that will take all the glory while you rot on the scrapyard must be a bit depressing thought
[18:21] <nosrednaekim> hehe
[18:22] <mhb> on the other hand, I'm going to rot there too, in time
[18:22] <mhb> so let's get to work while I still can
[18:23] <coreymon77> d3lphin has quite a few bugs
[18:24] <coreymon77> im just hoping that the kde4 one will be better
[18:24] <coreymon77> gtg now
[18:30] <fdoving> mhb: are you putting the dolphin source in bzr on kubuntu-members or something like that ?
[18:31] <mhb> fdoving: you know me well
[18:31] <mhb> fdoving: let me just apply the debian patches to the code itself
[18:31] <mhb> and review them
[18:31] <mhb> then I'll put the code there
[18:31] <fdoving> great.
[18:32] <mhb> fdoving: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/dolphin/hardy-fork will be the address
[18:32] <fdoving> nice, i'll fetch it when you've pushed.
[18:32] <Riddell> mhb: I don't think it's in revision control anywhere
[18:33] <mhb> Riddell: right, I'm putting it in LP
[18:37] <Riddell> mhb: good plan
[18:44] <mhb> pushed, should be available soonish
[18:53] <fdoving> mhb: will you push the debian directory too, to it's own place?
[19:00] <mhb> fdoving: I'll put it there, not sure if it'll work tho
[19:00] <mhb> I've branched the upstream package, not our debian one
[19:01] <fdoving> ok. but that doesn't matter, if we push our debian directory, maybe removing the patches, the result should be the same.
[19:05] <mhb> fdoving: pushed
[19:07] <fdoving> mhb: ah, you put it there. i was thinking about having a separate branch for the debian/ directory, like the other kde packages we have in bzr.
[19:12] <mhb> fdoving: do as you think
[19:12] <mhb> I'm fine with it
[19:13] <Riddell> I don't see any advantage in that
[19:14] <fdoving> well, now we will include everything in the orig.tar.gz, and make a native-package.
[19:14] <fdoving> if we convert to our lp as upstream.
[19:15] <Riddell> since we are upstream a native package would be fine
[19:16] <fdoving> ok. then it's fine.
[19:28] <mhb> let's fix bugs! :-)
[19:28] <Riddell> awooga!
[19:30] <mhb> especially Riddell
[19:31] <Nightrose> you wanna fix Riddell? :P
[19:31] <Riddell> mostly I create the bugs :)
[19:36] <mhb> yeah, he should fix more bugs than he does now
[19:49] <mhb> yay!
[19:49] <mhb> there are first tweaks in our D3lphin branch!
[19:50] <mhb> if you don't want to get me all pessimistic, better start fixing bugs in it, too!
[19:50] <mhb> :o)
[19:50] <mhb> especially people that promised such stuff at the meeting
[19:54] <fdoving> ah, you removed the adjust view properties dialog.
[19:55] <mhb> yeah, call me a fascist
[19:55] <fdoving> i was looking int o that crash, but i can't get a proper backtrace.. for some stupid reason.
[19:55] <fdoving> can't really see any good reason to keep it either, go for it.
[19:56] <mhb> I think you could bypass the crash by configuring it via the Configure Dolphin dialog
[19:56] <mhb> and I see no reason why the rest of the controls should stay elsewhere, so I removed it... I'll move the missing features into Configure soon
[19:56] <fdoving> ok, but it doesn't crash when doing the same things in configure?
[19:57] <mhb> AFAIK no
[20:00] <mhb> also, there's this beautiful desktop-effects-kde app I don't have time for...
[20:00] <mhb> :o)
[20:00] <mhb> come on, is the lack of volunteers really that big?
[20:01] <mhb> :o)
[20:01]  * mhb shuts up
[20:01] <fdoving> they all do packages, no c++ :)
[20:01] <fdoving> packages, docs, irc-support and other very important things.
[20:01] <fdoving> few becomes upstream for broken apps :)
[20:02] <fdoving> btw. i like the description for the dolphin project.
[20:04] <mhb> fdoving: thanks!
[20:05] <fdoving> mhb: as you're the project manager, give me a bug to fix plz.
[20:08] <mhb> bug 138274?
[20:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138274 in dolphin "Dolphin does not remember view profile" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138274
[20:09] <mhb> not really associated with a crash, so you don't have to debug much
[20:13] <fdoving> mhb: i can't even reproduce that bug.
[20:14] <fdoving> one has to tick the configure dolphin -> save view properties for each folder'
[20:14] <fdoving> after that it works for me.
[20:14] <fdoving> if you can confirm that, i'll close the bugreport
[20:14] <fdoving> I came to think of one thing.
[20:15] <fdoving> the issue -can- be that the users we're running dolphin as root with an old kdesudo and that setting set.
[20:15] <fdoving> then the root-dolphin would write its .dolphinview files to every folder, wouldn't it?
[20:15] <fdoving> that would be evil.
[20:15] <fdoving> we should force that setting to off, for root.
[20:17] <mhb> fdoving: I guess what the user meant is: when I select the view mode, I want to be able to view all folders with that mode, and also, I'd like that mode to be default on next startup
[20:18] <fdoving> select where?
[20:18] <mhb> without .dolphinviews everywhere
[20:18] <mhb> clicking on its icon, I guess
[20:18] <mhb> I don't think there should be a "default view mode"
[20:18] <fdoving> that would defeat the purpose of the settings.
[20:18] <mhb> it's not really intuitive
[20:19] <mhb> the one you currently have should be default until you select another one
[20:19] <mhb> unless and only unless you have toyed with the .dolphinview files
[20:19] <fdoving> hmm.. don't you want it to remember that you always want previews in your pictures folder?
[20:19] <fdoving> where does the .dolphinview files come from then?
[20:20] <mhb> fdoving: sure, that might be handy, but otherwise there should be no other default view mode
[20:21] <mhb> unless you ticked that box, your viewer should just remember the last view mode
[20:21] <fdoving> currently you set one default, for directories without the .dolphinview file, let's say the default is Preview, then once you enter a folder and hit the Icons button, it creates a .dolphinview file for that current folder and remembers that folders settings.
[20:21] <mhb> fdoving: right.
[20:22] <mhb> fdoving: I guess I'd remove the "default" one and instead remember what the last one I used was
[20:22] <mhb> so when I click preview, just stick to preview unless you enter a folder with a .dolphinview
[20:22] <fdoving> i do not agree.
[20:22] <mhb> and next time I launch d3lphin, open preview (unless I'm in a .dolphinview folder again)
[20:23] <mhb> fdoving: my user case: I want to see details, look around the UI, find the "Details" button, click it, click on a folder and I'm frustrated that it shows up with Icons
[20:24] <fdoving> then click details again :)
[20:24] <fdoving> it's easy, you just need to think on a folder-oriented way :)
[20:24] <fdoving> on/in
[20:24] <mhb> well, I like to see details unless I choose "Previews" again
[20:24] <mhb> so it's me-oriented
[20:25] <mhb> I don't think anyone else is using it now, though :o)
[20:25] <fdoving> think about it as tags for eatch directory.
[20:25] <mhb> every day I hear "apt-get uninstall dolphin" in here
[20:27] <mhb> well, I guess that's not the right bug for you
[20:28] <mhb> choose yourself, there's plenty where that one came from
[20:28] <mhb> and all fixes are welcome
[20:39] <fdoving> mhb: #152788 looks very evil.
[20:40] <mhb> bug 152788
[20:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152788 in dolphin "Dolphin drag and drop targets wrong directory" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152788
[20:41] <mhb> fdoving: if you can reproduce it, go for it
[20:41] <mhb> I haven't looked at it yet, but I guess I should
[20:42] <fdoving> i can reproduce it, i'll look into it.
[20:51] <Riddell> kubuntu-users really has gone mad https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2007-December/023247.html
[20:55] <mhb> you should convince the last sane folks to join development
[20:56] <mhb> or perhaps the least sane ones?
[20:56] <mhb> fixing bugs in software that has no future and is hated by all...
[20:56] <mhb> work for a nutjob alright
[20:58] <fdoving> i'm starting to see why the dolphin guys dropped dolphin3, and focused on dolphin4.
[20:59] <mhb> fdoving: marketing?
[20:59] <mhb> :o)
[20:59] <fdoving> it's basically nothing left from dolphin3 in dolphin4.
[21:01] <mhb> I've seen worse.
[21:02] <Riddell> apachelogger_: do you know if libcaptury, captury and capseo in debian are newer than ours?
[21:25] <mhb> sometimes I get the feeling that UI was never meant to be written in hand
[21:26] <mhb> any application not using default widgets get to be really big
[21:47] <jhutchins_lt> Is there a program like kickstart for kubuntu that lets you template an install on one machine then clone it to others?
[22:09] <txwikinger> mhb?
[22:09] <nosrednaekim> hey txwikinger....
[22:09] <txwikinger> hi nosrednaekim
[22:09] <Riddell> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3125 tutorials day announced
[22:09] <nosrednaekim> txwikinger: he's probably asleep,its late over in chekslovakia
[22:10] <mhb> hey txwikinger
[22:10] <txwikinger> hi mhb
[22:10]  * nosrednaekim hides...
[22:10] <txwikinger> sorry... had to hold a lecture earlier.. just came back
[22:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: little kde question
[22:11] <mhb> nosrednaekim: oh sure, my country is post-communist, but what is yours? :o)
[22:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: how to make that you have to wait for a kmessagebox to be closed so that the program continues ?
[22:11] <nosrednaekim> mhb: pre dictatorship....
[22:11] <txwikinger> mhb communism comes in many forms ;)
[22:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: only seems to work with questions asking boxes right ?
[22:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: I need to do that with a KMessageBox::Error for example...
[22:12] <txwikinger> nosrednaekim: which country are you from/residing?
[22:12] <nosrednaekim> txwikinger: USA <_<
[22:13] <txwikinger> hey.. nice to meet you.. I lived in Texas for a long time
[22:13] <txwikinger> mhb: Did you want something particular when you pinged me?
[22:13] <mhb> txwikinger: sure, to meet you
[22:13] <mhb> txwikinger: not sure we've met
[22:14] <txwikinger> I am not sure either.. nice to meet you mhb
[22:14]  * nosrednaekim claps
[22:14] <Tonio_> fdoving: maybe you can help me on that point :)
[22:15] <txwikinger> I have been in Slovakia before... Bratislava
[22:15] <Tonio_> fdoving: last little bug in kdesudo to fix before commiting so I'd like that fixed today...
[22:15] <imbrandon> Tonio_: its needs to be modal
[22:16]  * txwikinger remembers a kdesudo bug he is trying to reproduce
[22:16] <txwikinger> Tonio_ do you have a bug number?
[22:17] <Tonio_> txwikinger: nope ;)
[22:17] <txwikinger> ok :)
[22:17] <Tonio_> txwikinger: what bug is that about ?
[22:17] <txwikinger> kdesudo give an error message that it can execute the command
[22:17] <txwikinger> I think it is on hardy, I could not reproduce on gutsy
[22:18] <Tonio_> imbrandon: not what I need in fact cause I need people to click ok before the program exists
[22:18] <txwikinger> I checked the installation on a chroot which worked fine
[22:18] <Tonio_> imbrandon: here it is modal because of parent window, which closes, and then I don't have time to see the box, there is my issue
[22:18] <Tonio_> txwikinger: fixed here
[22:19] <Tonio_> txwikinger: I rewrote all that part today
[22:19] <imbrandon> Tonio_: make it 0 iirc
[22:19] <imbrandon> Parameters:
[22:19] <Tonio_> imbrandon: so non-modal then ? ;)
[22:19] <imbrandon> parent	If parent is 0, then the message box becomes an application-global modal dialog box. If parent is a widget, the message box becomes modal relative to parent.
[22:19] <Tonio_> ahhhhhhhhhh true that !
[22:19] <mhb> txwikinger: how long do you hang around here?
[22:19] <mhb> txwikinger: and what are your plans for Hardy?
[22:20] <txwikinger> Tonio_: ok.. I will note that on the bug, could you ping me when the fix is available, that I can ask the reporter to check it out
[22:20]  * mhb is here for quite some time, and I can be quite active/stubborn when I want ... school's tough, though.
[22:21] <txwikinger> mhb: Slovakia? I was in Bratislava, I believe 1994
[22:21] <txwikinger> Did a job for the Telecom there.. Commencement of operation for one of their first long distance fibre routes
[22:22] <Tonio_> txwikinger: you can test in 2 minutes
[22:22] <Tonio_> txwikinger: btw the launchpad bug will be closed automatically when I upload
[22:22] <txwikinger> well, if it is referenced, right?
[22:22] <Tonio_> txwikinger: talking about switching to admin mode in kcontrol module maybe no ?
[22:23] <txwikinger> I have to get my HD in my test-desktop changed first.. Probably do that tomorrow evening
[22:23] <txwikinger> yes... Tonio_ I think that's it
[22:24] <Tonio_> txwikinger: that's the part I fixed today, works like a charm here
[22:24] <txwikinger> cool.. good work \o/
[22:24] <mhb> txwikinger: I'm from Czech Republic, to be exact
[22:24] <txwikinger> Well.. I am almost too mhb ;)
[22:25] <Tonio_> txwikinger: bug 172749 and bug 173319
[22:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 172749 in kdesudo "Error kdesudo command not found when installing deb packages" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172749
[22:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173319 in kdesudo "kdesudo seems to be broken in system setting in hardy" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173319
[22:26] <txwikinger> Tonio_: Yes I menat 173319.. cool
[22:27] <txwikinger> mhb: My grandparents lived in East-Germany near the border to the Czech Republik and Poland
[22:28] <Tonio_> txwikinger: next upload will close bugs 172749, 173319, 132456, 162823, 148255 and 157043
[22:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 172749 in kdesudo "Error kdesudo command not found when installing deb packages" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172749
[22:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173319 in kdesudo "kdesudo seems to be broken in system setting in hardy" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173319
[22:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132456 in kdesudo "User account 'remembers' admin password" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132456
[22:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162823 in kdesudo "wrong manpage for kdesu is shown" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162823
[22:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148255 in kdesudo "kdesudo does not clear password field on incorrect password" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148255
[22:28] <Tonio_> txwikinger: I had hard time today :/
[22:28] <txwikinger> sorry to hear that.. why?
[22:28] <nosrednaekim> !helpersnack | Tonio_
[22:28] <ubotu> Tonio_: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[22:28] <fdoving> great work tonio_ :)
[22:28] <Tonio_> fdoving: thanks :)
[22:29] <Tonio_> fdoving: wait for the tests to say well done :)
[22:29] <fdoving> Tonio_: is it pushed?
[22:30] <Tonio_> fdoving: not yet, but I can sent you a debfile to test
[22:30] <Tonio_> fdoving: also the kdesu -s is now supported, using sudo -k in the first place, to remove the cached password
[22:30] <Tonio_> fdoving: that was a big problem we had with it
[22:31] <Tonio_> fdoving: just needs -t now for "almose" kdesu compatibility
[22:31] <fdoving> yep.
[22:31] <Tonio_> fdoving: I also consider playing with "nice" to make -d a non fake password
[22:31] <Tonio_> fdoving: shouldn't be hard to make that to work as expected
[22:31] <Tonio_> s/fake password/fake option
[22:31] <Tonio_> fdoving: but that's optional, probably for version 2.0 :)
[22:33] <fdoving> yep.
[22:33] <Tonio_> imbrandon: doesn't work either, this or 0 all give the same problem, program goes, exists and closes the popup
[22:33] <fdoving> ping me if you push within the next 30min or so.
[22:33] <Tonio_> fdoving: have an idea on that point ?
[22:33] <Tonio_> fdoving: I have a testing package
[22:33] <fdoving> i want the source :)
[22:33] <fdoving> from bzr as i have that setup already :)
[22:33] <Tonio_> fdoving: my only last bug is that when you type 3 bad passwords, you don't see the last window....
[22:33] <fdoving> or a patch to bzr.
[22:34] <Tonio_> fdoving: lemme push the code
[22:34] <fdoving> you need to wait for the window to close before exiting. a while loop or something like that.
[22:35] <Tonio_> fdoving: pushed
[22:35] <fdoving> updating.
[22:35] <Tonio_> fdoving: well I tried several things, but nothing worked as expecting
[22:35] <Tonio_> fdoving: I also cleaned a lot the code with useless variable and so on
[22:35] <mhb> txwikinger: so what do you do w.r.t kubuntu?
[22:36] <Tonio_> fdoving: if you can fix that last little problem, we can prepare a new public release of it
[22:36] <txwikinger> mhb: Well this and that
[22:36] <Tonio_> fdoving: while, ok, but what to check ? ;)
[22:36] <txwikinger> I am the point of kontakt for kubuntu-de.org
[22:36] <txwikinger> contact
[22:36] <fdoving> Tonio_: where is this kmessagebox?
[22:36] <Tonio_> the problem is just that the messagebox pops and exists immediately
[22:36] <Riddell> txwikinger: despite living in England :)
[22:36] <txwikinger> I am working at the moment to be a MOTU
[22:37] <txwikinger> Riddell: yes...
[22:37] <Riddell> txwikinger: where do you stay in England?
[22:37] <txwikinger> we have re-sturcture kubuntu-de.org to make it more in line with the ubuntu structure in general
[22:37] <Tonio_> fdoving: search for if (badpass<3) in kdesudo.cpp
[22:37] <txwikinger> and I am doing a lot of communication with the folks here
[22:37] <txwikinger> Riddell: In Birmingham
[22:38] <Tonio_> fdoving: the point is that sudo exits, and then the process ends, causing the program to stop
[22:38] <Riddell> well well, popular place
[22:38] <txwikinger> You kidding me :)
[22:38] <Tonio_> fdoving: previous behavior was not to quit kapp is there was an error, but that was quite nasty hack
[22:38] <Tonio_> fdoving: I prefer to close properly and find a way to make the program waits for the messagebox to be closed before going on...
[22:39] <Tonio_> fdoving: but...... I can't seem to find out how to do that
[22:39] <Riddell> txwikinger: my girlfriend is in tipton
[22:39] <txwikinger> Ah.. Isn't that between Bham and Wolverhampton?
[22:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: heard about the bugs with polyester ? quite problematic...
[22:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: don't think so
[22:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147818
[22:39] <ubotu> KDE bug 147818 in general "Kate crashes when closing files" [Crash,Resolved: invalid]
[22:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/polyester/+bug/144429
[22:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144429 in polyester "Crash of Kate when closing files, only using polyester style" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[22:40] <Tonio_> I can confirm this
[22:40] <fdoving> Tonio_: you need to have some bool that says there is a box, then check if that bool is true/false on exit, if it's not, wait til it gets the right state.
[22:40] <Riddell> txwikinger: yes
[22:40] <txwikinger> Yes.. I lecture sometimes in Wolverhampton
[22:40] <Tonio_> fdoving: yes but when to change the bool state since the program continues ?
[22:40] <txwikinger> I remember driving by there
[22:41] <Riddell> txwikinger: drive fast is the best way :)
[22:41] <Tonio_> fdoving: I read the kmessagebox class reference without success
[22:41] <txwikinger> Riddell: well I am German .....
[22:41] <Tonio_> fdoving: the only option I have is to use a questionyesno, and despite the response, give the same result, that causes the program to stop
[22:41] <fdoving> Tonio_: is this a problem for all the errors ?`
[22:41] <Tonio_> fdoving: but that's quite nasty
[22:41] <Tonio_> fdoving: nope
[22:42] <Tonio_> fdoving: the only case when sudo exits and you get an error is when you have 3 bad passwords
[22:42] <Tonio_> fdoving: but of course, depending the error, that can happen for other errors too
[22:43] <Tonio_> fdoving: I have a tweak for this, just do as before
[22:43] <Tonio_> but that causes the program not to close properly
[22:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: I didn't even know kate had a tabs extension
[22:43] <Tonio_> don't kapp->exit if bla=false
[22:43] <|dthacker|> Hi. should I submit formal test reports for the alpha or just throw it on the Alpha wiki page?
[22:43] <Tonio_> and set the variable depending this
[22:44] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: a pyKDE4 tutorial?
[22:44] <Tonio_> fdoving: I can switch back to old behavior waiting to find better solution
[22:44] <Tonio_> not superb way to do, but working and non risky
[22:45] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: I hope so, although sime hasn't replied yet
[22:45] <Tonio_> fdoving: is there a way with kapp to check if child window are still opened ?
[22:45] <Tonio_> fdoving: that would be a solution
[22:45] <Riddell> stdin: could you upload your python-kde4 package to your ppa for gutsy and hardy?
[22:45] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: i'll try to attend that for sure,the problem is, where do you get pyKDE4 from?
[22:46] <stdin> Riddell: I can for hardy, but it won't work for gutsy
[22:46] <Riddell> stdin: oh?  why not?
[22:46] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: stdin packaged it the other day, what a guy eh
[22:46] <fdoving> Tonio_: maybe http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/qapplication.html#lastWindowClosed
[22:47] <fdoving> or not..
[22:47] <nosrednaekim> stdin: so it found its way off your to-do list for your to-do list, onto your to-do list, and then got done in a couple days? amazing XD
[22:47] <stdin> Riddell: needs sip4 (>= 4.7.1)  and gutsy has 4.7
[22:47] <Riddell> stdin: hmm, can we backport that?
[22:48] <stdin> nosrednaekim: 3 days actually, in a "sudo pbuilder --login" chroot :p
[22:48] <Tonio_> fdoving: looking ;)
[22:48] <nosrednaekim> stdin: hehe.... thanks alot! though I am on gutsy :(
[22:48] <stdin> Riddell: I haven't tried building it in gutsy yet, spent the time just getting it to build in hardy
[22:49]  * stdin try's to build it in gutsy
[22:50] <Tonio_> fdoving: won't work as the program sometimes doesn't have any window opened :)
[22:50] <Tonio_> fdoving: nice attempt, but wil not work
[22:55] <fdoving> Tonio_: i liked the previous way, what is the problem with it?
[22:56] <fdoving> Tonio_: the rest of the app in general is more nasty than that part, really.
[22:56] <Tonio_> fdoving: doesn't close properly when there is an issue
[22:56] <Tonio_> fdoving: not nice using from cmdline
[22:56] <Tonio_> btw, but that horrible I admit
[22:57] <Tonio_> fdoving: another option is to detach the program
[22:57] <fdoving> doesn't close properly, like when?
[22:57] <Tonio_> fdoving: when typing 3 bad passwords
[22:57] <Tonio_> fdoving: with the old way you have to ctrl+C to go back to the prompt
[22:58] <fdoving> isn't that what 3 bad passwords are for? - lock up everything and force you to do something drastic?
[23:01] <fdoving> Tonio_: at least you need something like the bError bool.
[23:02] <fdoving> then you need to set it to true/false based on the happenings.
[23:04] <stdin> Riddell: looks like it should backport without a problem, I'll upload it to my PPA along with python-kde4
[23:04] <Riddell> stdin: great
[23:04] <nosrednaekim> stdin: can I grab it? is it "safe"?
[23:05] <stdin> "safe", such an interesting word :P
[23:05] <nosrednaekim> hehe
[23:06] <Tonio_> fdoving: I think so
[23:06] <Tonio_> fdoving: I'll probably switch back to old code on that point, and detach the process
[23:07] <nosrednaekim> stdin: is this for the RC1?
[23:07] <imbrandon> rc1?
[23:08] <stdin> it's pykde4 from svn on saturday
[23:08] <nosrednaekim> stdin: will it work with RC1?
[23:08] <nosrednaekim> of KDE4
[23:09] <stdin> maybe :) I've only just installed hardy and haven't tried it
[23:09] <stdin> I haven't even built it in gutsy yet
[23:09] <nosrednaekim> ok.... I'll give it a shot
[23:09] <stdin> and I'll leave that to the PPA buildd's, as I don't want to wait 3 hours to see if it works here
[23:10] <Riddell> txwikinger: did you confirm that 16:00 UTC was good for you?
[23:11] <txwikinger> Riddell: I did not confirm, but it is ok with me
[23:11] <txwikinger> Just saw it when you posted the link here
[23:11] <Riddell> txwikinger: great
[23:20] <stdin> all uploaded
[23:24] <Tonio_> fdoving: found the solution ;)
[23:25] <Tonio_> fdoving: I'm adding support for "nice" and I'm done for the moment
[23:32] <Riddell> nixternal: able to do a fridge story about http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3125 ?
[23:32] <nixternal> depends on how much money you have for me? :)
[23:32] <nixternal> will get that started sir
[23:33] <fdoving> Tonio_: the try again password error can be removed, as it's just annoying anyway.
[23:34] <fdoving> Tonio_: one error after 3 attempts is OK.
[23:34] <Tonio_> fdoving: hum true, doing this
[23:35] <Tonio_> fdoving: I'm wondering how kdesu does the priority convertion with nice
[23:35] <Tonio_> fdoving: kdesu goes from 0 to 100 when nice goes from -20 to 19
[23:38] <fdoving> Tonio_: i need to go, i'll have a closer look at your changes tomorrow if you push your changes.
[23:38] <fdoving> nite.
[23:38] <Tonio_> fdoving: seya ;)
[23:38] <Tonio_> fdoving: thanks for the help !
[23:59] <mhb> good night and may the christmas be with you


[14:08] <k1l> @mark #ubuntu peskyrat trolling
[15:36] <DJones> @mark seven_ +q set in #ubuntu for repated "kill all" lines, now asking in #u-ot about hose to change ip, appears to want to evade the +q
[15:59] <seven_> hello
[16:08] <phunyguy> hello
[16:12] <seven_> hello
[16:12] <seven_> bitches
[16:12] <phunyguy> seven_: that is probably not going to help your case
[16:12] <IdleOne> yup, you're not going to get any help like that
[16:13] <phunyguy> good morning IdleOne
[16:13] <phunyguy> errr afternoon?
[19:01] <Beldar> coulkd we have a look at a nick just added on #ubuntu
[19:02] <bazhang>  masturbator?
[19:03] <bazhang> they seem to have quit
 I heard ubuntu is going bankrupt
[19:26] <k1l_> same user as the peskyrat one from some hours ago
[19:26] <bazhang> nice spot
[20:58] <teward> I believe smecin is spamming in #ubuntu, or at least not having a support question and not really being on topic... can someone take a look?
[20:59] <k1l_> <ep
[20:59] <k1l_> yep
[20:59] <teward> k1l_, thanks for getting on it.  :)
[21:01] <rww> smecin sounds familar
[21:03] <rww> oh, duh. I lastlogged, that's skraito


[12:07] <Sime> hey, that was the wrong channel.
[01:19] <raphink> Sime: ja, ik denk zo ook ;)
[03:21] <jjesse> anyone having any issues w/ dapper and booting up with a USB drive attached already?
[03:22] <jjesse> i get a notice that KDE Daemon has crashed and it comes up about 40 time or so and then disappears
[03:22] <jjesse> if i boot w/o it plugged in it works fine
[06:12] <Tm_T> good morning crimsun, haven't seen you for awhile
[09:56] <Tonio_> hre
[09:56] <Tonio_> hi there
[01:35] <JRe> Riddell: have you tried Keep?
[01:38] <Riddell> JRe: nope, just about to
[01:38] <JRe> k
[01:59] <Riddell> mornfall: adept working now :)
[02:00] <mornfall> aye :)
[02:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: kdbus good, needs 1 more review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1613
[02:04] <Riddell> \sh, pef_aw, raphink etc :)
[02:05] <raphink> I'llhave a look at it
[02:05] <raphink> I uploaded konq-kim again Riddell
[02:06] <\sh> Riddell / Tonio_ : advocated
[02:06] <Riddell> \sh: that was fast!
[02:07] <raphink> ah ok :)
[02:07] <raphink> well then ;)
[02:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: keep package has a patch but no include simplepatch.mk in debian/rules
[02:12] <hunger> Riddell: I am running the dapper-testing debs for kde 3.5.1
[02:13] <hunger> Riddell: So far they seem to crash less frequent then the 3.5.0 ones.... I'd recommend to replace those with the 3.5.1 ones.
[02:13] <Riddell> hunger: great, thanks
[02:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: let me check ;)
[02:13] <hunger> Riddell: Some of the icons look nicer, too;-)
[02:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: right, let me correct that (3 minutes)
[02:14] <Tonio_> \sh: thanks for kdbus
[02:16] <Tm_T> hu hu
[02:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: not the first time that I can see this...
[02:22] <hunger> Riddell: noatune does not work at all.
[02:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: when the patch is applied on cvs.sh, building requires automake, while it works correctly without patching....
[02:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: aware of that problem ?
[02:22] <mornfall> hunger: noatun needs arts
[02:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have the issue with keep actually.... it doesn't build with the patch applied....
[02:23] <mornfall> but i don't know if that may be the problem :)
[02:25] <Riddell> hunger: noatun works here (dapper 3.5.1)
[02:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: why doesn't it build?
[02:26] <hunger> Riddell: It does not even start to playback.
[02:26] <Riddell> hunger: does artsplay work?
[02:26] <hunger> Riddell: amarok works fine.
[02:26] <Riddell> JRe: how can I test keep?  do I have to wait all day for a backup?
[02:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: It tries tu make usage of automake, while it doesn't when the simplepatchsys line is commented....
[02:27] <hunger> Riddell: Yes.
[02:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've seen the same problem with a pair of packages (metamonitor for example)
[02:28] <JRe> Riddell: you can force a backup :)
[02:28] <Tonio_> nope, not metamonitor...... let me check which one
[02:29] <Tonio_> JRe: any idea concerning that problem ????
[02:29] <hunger> Riddell: One sec... used a ogg while the file I tried with noatune was a mp3
[02:29] <Tonio_> JRe: I assume this has something to do with the version of the admin/ folder maybe....
[02:30] <JRe> Tonio_: I have the last updated on from /branches/KDE/3.5/kde-common/admin
[02:30] <Tonio_> JRe: sounds strange.... Can you just try to build the keep package I've done in a dapper chroot ?
[02:30] <Riddell> JRe: ok, I force a backup (and I think that should be changed to "do backup now") and it runs rdiff but no output
[02:30] <Riddell> running the rdiff command manually gives an error
[02:31] <Riddell> keep should tell the user that but it doesn't
[02:31] <Riddell> Fatal Error: Destination directory
[02:31] <Riddell> /home/jr/backup
[02:31] <Riddell> exists, but does not look like a rdiff-backup directory.
[02:31] <Tonio_> JRe: Simply build as it is, then add the simplepatchsys line in rules, and you'll see it asks for automake......
[02:31] <hunger> Riddell: Looks like artsplay does not like mp3 (even though artscontrol lists it as supported).
[02:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: keep reuploaded with patchsys and an automake1.9 dep.... builds fine
[02:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: cool, strange that it needs automake just for touching cvs.sh
[02:33] <Riddell> JRe: other than that keep looks great
[02:34] <Riddell> backups work well
[02:34] <Riddell> could do with something saying when next backup will happen
[02:35] <Riddell> and I don't know what unballesting means
[02:39] <JRe> Tonio_: what ?
[02:39] <JRe> Riddell: it see that older backups than this current limit are deleted
[02:39] <JRe> s/see/seems/
[02:40] <JRe> err s/seems/means/ :)
[02:42] <Riddell> change that to "removal"?
[02:45] <JRe> Riddell: ok
[02:45] <JRe> Riddell: will do
[02:45] <JRe> Riddell: I know the working of my app is terrible since I am not a native english speaker :)
[02:45] <JRe> s/working/wording/
[02:46] <Riddell> JRe: it's the showing an error when the backup directory is not valid that needs fixed though, once that's done I'd love for it to go on the CD
[02:50] <JRe> Riddell: ok
[02:50] <JRe> Riddell: you want that i made a patch for these modifications or a new version ?
[02:50] <Riddell> JRe: new version probably
[02:51] <Tonio_> JRe: let me know whe it is available, I will update the package
[02:55] <jjesse> Riddell: can you make sure the correct stylesheet is applied to the quickguide?  it doesn't look as pretty as the releasenotes
[02:57] <Riddell> jjesse: yes, but probably not for a couple of weeks
[02:57] <jjesse> Riddell: ok, as long as it gets done before the release :)
[02:57] <JRe> Tonio_, Riddell: ok will do that before end of week
[02:58] <Riddell> hello enfact
[03:00] <Riddell> JRe: did you say once upon a time that you were making a floppy/usb disk formatting program?
[03:01] <Tonio_> JRe: np
[03:03] <enfact> hey Riddel
[03:04] <Riddell> enfact: going to join us as an elite kubuntu developer?
[03:04] <enfact> i would love too, i actually have a couple guys together right now and we're thinking of doing a new distro or just starting work based on kubuntu
[03:05] <sebas> Riddell: Does launchpad have taskmanagement and events calender functionality?
[03:05] <enfact> possibly ubuntu though because of new stuff coming out for graphics (XGL, XEGL, open gl based stuff
[03:05] <Riddell> sebas: I think it has calendar stuff, but I've never looked at it
[03:05] <enfact> doesnt seem like that is going in the KDE direction at all, dissapointing
[03:06] <sebas> Riddell: May I /query you?
[03:06] <Riddell> enfact: that's all X stuff, all desktop environments will get it
[03:06] <Riddell> sebas: sure
[03:06] <sebas> OK.
[03:06] <enfact> but its all GNOME guys on it currently
[03:07] <enfact> seth nickell and some new guy novell picked up
[03:08] <Riddell> enfact: http://dot.kde.org/1126267099/
[03:08] <Riddell> exa is written by a KDE developer
[03:09] <enfact> they're keeping lips tight about plasma
[03:09] <enfact> havent seen anyting, have you seen the vids from seth nickell's blog?
[03:09] <enfact> wobbly windos
[03:12] <enfact> http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots
[03:12] <Riddell> enfact: yes I saw that, it's almost as good as the stuff zack showed at akademy
[03:13] <enfact> thats so good to hear :)
[03:13] <enfact> the point of all this is that i've designed an entire new GUI that we're to implement
[03:13] <JRe> Riddell: yes it's true but it will only be available with KDE 4
[03:13] <JRe> Riddell: using the Solid backend
[03:13] <Riddell> if you go to one of aaron's talks about plasma he's not tight lipped but there's nothing definate in it yet so it's not on the website
[03:13] <enfact> trying to find the best base for it because it is heavy on transparency & movement
[03:13] <enfact> i plan on being in boston for linuxworld
[03:14] <enfact> dont know the schedule for that though :(
[03:16] <Riddell> JRe: ah ok, so a while away yet
[03:16] <enfact> is there any source out there yet that you would consider stable enough to even hack on and try out this new GUI?
[03:16] <Riddell> enfact: qt 4 :)
[03:16] <enfact> assumed
[03:16] <Riddell> 4.1 has funky SVG stuff
[03:16] <enfact> im talking about these new quartz like X over-layers
[03:17] <enfact> i will have to check out more from zack, hoping there's some kind of source to work from out yet...
[03:19] <enfact> funky SVG as in messed up or great, actually some SVG to balance with cairo?
[03:25] <Riddell> enfact: arthur is the qt rendering engine which is equivalent to cairo
[03:25] <Riddell> enfact: the funky (i.e. good) SVG stuff in 4.1 is equivalent to rsvg or the like
[03:26] <enfact> cool
[03:27] <Riddell> enfact: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1559
[03:27] <Riddell> could well be what you want
[03:27] <enfact> thanks much riddel
[03:27] <enfact> i look forward to being in here more to help out, im no coder, just UI usability type :)
[03:28] <jjesse> enfact: don't worry i just do documentation work so we all can find places in the kubuntu-devel team :P
[03:28] <enfact> and design
[03:28] <enfact> cool
[03:32] <Riddell> #needaname reminds me of no-name-yet.com
[03:32] <enfact> haha
[03:32] <enfact> we're working on something
[03:33] <enfact> temporary name will be ShapeOS me thinks
[03:33] <enfact> until we can find a zulu word that works :)
[03:34] <enfact> and then put a uppercase K in it at some clever place
[03:35] <Riddell> god no!
[03:35] <enfact> Kidding
[03:35] <enfact> :)
[03:36] <enfact> that horrible technique spread like Kancer
[03:53] <jjesse> hmm on dapper w/ 3.5.1 everytime i open up adept updater and click on fetch updates the window closes
[03:57] <jjesse> i don't usually use adept either, but trying to so i can write docs on it :)
[03:57] <Tm_T> buggy systemsettings, still
[03:58] <Tm_T> haha
[03:59] <Tm_T> Riddell: http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/systemsettings_1.png
[03:59] <Tm_T> and when I clicked "show all" window got resized, that's all
[03:59] <Riddell> hmm
[04:00] <Tm_T> so now, if I like to change mouse settings ofr example, I have to restart it
[04:02] <jsgotangco> what's the repo for 3.5.1?
[04:03] <jjesse> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde351-dapper-testing/
[04:03] <Tm_T> and ./
[04:03] <Riddell> jjesse: breezy or dapper?
[04:03] <jsgotangco> okay the docteam svn is still big really
[04:04] <jjesse> the problem with adept?
[04:04] <jjesse> dapper running 3.5.1
[04:04] <jsgotangco> i always find the problem with adept not opening the first time, but runs fine the 2nd time it is opened
[04:05] <jjesse> everytime i try to open up adept-updater and click on fetch-updates the program disappears
[04:05] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:05] <jsgotangco> but try it the 2nd time, it opens up
[04:06] <jjesse> adpet is performating just like you said jsgotangco but adept-updater opens fine, just doesn't fetch updates
[04:06] <jsgotangco> its proably kdesu not working nicely
[04:07] <jsgotangco> adept-updater works fine with me on 3.5.0 though
[04:07] <jsgotangco> oh wait
[04:07] <jsgotangco> its borked too
[04:13] <jsgotangco> ok should i test 3.5.1?
[04:14] <Riddell> jjesse: please do
[04:14] <Riddell> jsgotangco: rather
[04:14] <jjesse> grin already
[04:14] <jsgotangco> Riddell: i just add that url in sources.list right?
[04:14] <jjesse> dapper release will 3.5 or 3.5.1?
[04:15] <jsgotangco> we can do 3.5.1 i guess if it passes the acid test
[04:15] <jjesse> make sure it is http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde351-dapper-testing/ .//
[04:15] <Riddell> jjesse: that's yet to be decided
[04:15] <jsgotangco> with .// at the end?
[04:15] <Riddell> ./  on the end
[04:16] <jsgotangco> Riddell: would a KDE toolchain be more advisable to do kubuntu docs?
[04:16] <nlindblad> hello
[04:16] <Riddell> jsgotangco: we use the kde docs tools for kubuntu docs
[04:18] <jsgotangco> Riddell: honestly, i'd like to use that, but need to read up
[04:18] <hunger> jsgotangco: What is the acid test kde351 needs to pass?
[04:18] <jjesse> ok i'm out for a bit, time to give blood
[04:18] <hunger> jsgotangco: I am using it and see less crashes than with what is in dapper.
[04:19] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[04:31] <enfact> how much of the power of qt do you loose when you use python instead of C++ any, and is is significant?
[04:31] <enfact> is it*
[04:34] <Riddell> enfact: it uses slightly more memory
[04:34] <Riddell> enfact: and it means you can't use third party libraries as much
[04:34] <Riddell> but basicly none
[04:34] <Riddell> except I don't think there's any qt4 python bindings yet
[04:35] <enfact> eek
[04:35] <enfact> c++ it is
[04:36] <enfact> there's not much help for GUI designers, i might need to learn how to code, trials before this have failed miseralby though
[04:36] <enfact> dont have the head for coding
[04:36] <Riddell> use qtdesigner
[04:36] <enfact> yeah thats the idea
[04:38] <nlindblad> 32GiB
[04:38] <sebas> enfact: It largely depends on your apps.
[04:38] <sebas> Most apps are waiting for userinput or i/o most of the time, in that case it's hardly noticeable.
[04:39] <sebas> You should not do heavy computing work in python, though.
[04:39] <enfact> im creating a whole new GUI that ive designed
[04:39] <enfact> ha
[04:39] <sebas> And the bindings for Qt4 are in the works, beta now.
[04:39] <enfact> ill prob end up using c++ or begging somebody who can code to help out
[04:39] <enfact> i will need whatever it is to be able to work with this new XEGL/XGL opengl stuff
[04:41] <enfact> thats another story, will have to talk to zack about
[04:43] <Riddell> adept-updater working good here
[04:43] <Riddell> it was acting strange because I had adept open at the same time though
[04:44] <freeflying_> Riddell: I can hardly use "sudo" run any program in kde-3.5.1
[04:47] <Riddell> freeflying_: does kdesu work?
[04:47] <enfact> yeah kdesu command works for most
[04:47] <freeflying_> Riddell: have not try kdesu
[04:50] <Riddell> sealne: do you know if the ruby bindings are working in dapper?
[04:53] <sealne> sorry haven't had a chance to check i have a sarge disk in my dev machine at the moment i'll try to swap it for dapper latter today and let you know
[04:53] <sealne> in fact i might aswell just now
[04:56] <sealne> ouch burny hard disks
[05:00] <Riddell> example hello world ruby program seems to work
[05:01] <Riddell> can't get clickspotter doing anything though http://clickspotter.ath.cx/files/Download.html
[05:08] <sealne> did you run ClickSpotter-0.1.1/lib/clickspotter.rb ?
[05:09] <sealne> seems to do stuff (on breezy waiting for dapper to update) but i don't have a log to analyze
[05:09] <Riddell> stuff as in show anything?
[05:09] <sealne> yeah
[05:10] <Riddell> just sits there in the mainloop in dapper, kde 3.5.1
[05:10] <sealne> well prompt you for a logfile anyway and show the world in the background but as i say this is still breezy lots of dapper updates
[05:10] <Riddell> doesn't show anything
[05:11] <sealne> i'll try in a few min
[05:11] <sealne> did you install it or just run from tarball?
[05:11] <Riddell> both
[05:18] <sealne> ewww "to execute a command as root..."
[05:18] <Riddell> hmm?
[05:21] <jsgotangco> seems pretty stable
[05:21] <Riddell> jjesse: groovy
[05:21] <jsgotangco> and fast
[05:21] <jjesse> grin Riddell must not be used to having two j's in the channel
[05:22] <Riddell> I spent my schooldays surrounded by too many Jonathan's.  that's why I use my surname as nick :)
[05:22] <jsgotangco> Riddell: its more responsive compared to 3.5.0 and its very noticeable...
[05:23] <sealne> interesting on dapper i don't have a "ruby" command
[05:23] <sealne> only ruby1.8
[05:23] <Riddell> sealne: have to install ruby pacakge
[05:23] <sealne> thats bad
[05:24] <Riddell> why?
[05:24] <sealne> i'd definitly expect that installing ruby 1.8 i'd have a file called ruby
[05:26] <sealne> is it "QMultiInputContext::changeInputMethod(): index=0, slave=xim
[05:26] <sealne> that is displayed when you get the blank window?
[05:26] <Riddell> is what?
[05:26] <sealne> sorry pasted a new line
[05:27] <Riddell> nope, I have nothing displayed
[05:27] <sealne> if run from konsole?
[05:27] <Riddell> correct
[05:28] <sealne> maybe thats just katch does that when its not working like this
[05:28] <Riddell> pardon?
[05:29] <sealne> different ruby prog
[05:30] <Riddell> oooh
[05:30] <Riddell> I had 3.5.0 kdebindings, updating to 3.5.1 means it's all working
[05:36] <jsgotangco> Riddell: i'm not on 3.5.1 are you looking for something specific bug or just need test resuls
[05:36] <jsgotangco> s/not/now
[05:38] <jsgotangco> i gotta sleep
[05:38] <jsgotangco> brb
[05:44] <Riddell> somewhat slow but good fun, anyone want to package clickspotter?
[06:09] <robotgeek> hi, is there a specifc place to file bugs for Kubuntu Dapper , or can I just file it on Malone?
[06:11] <hunger> robotgeek: I file mine in malone.
[06:12] <robotgeek> hunger: okay, thanks. i will do so. i need to file a few regression bugs in the kernel too
[06:40] <nlindblad> maybe I should find out why KDE crashes on logouts
[06:40] <nlindblad> happens 100% of the times
[06:41] <Tm_T> nlindblad: KDE? you mean Kicker? Kicker is NOT whole KDE ;--P
[06:41] <nlindblad> KDE (as in some component of KDE)
[06:41] <Tm_T> no wonder you live in sweden ;-)
[06:41] <nlindblad> what is that suppose to mean? :D
[06:42] <Tm_T> nlindblad: normal finnish-swedish foolishness
[06:42] <nlindblad> right
[06:42] <nlindblad> I'm dumb because I'm Swedish?
[06:42] <Tm_T> yu, typical joke here, no harm meant
[06:43] <Tm_T> as long as I'm not whacking with axe
[06:43] <nlindblad> good to know
[06:44] <nlindblad> I shouldn't sit here
[06:44] <nlindblad> I should write those damn essays
[06:44] <Tm_T> nlindblad: aye, I have several traces for kicker crashes, don't happen here with --debug compile and without translucency
[06:45] <nlindblad> I don't use translucency
[06:45] <nlindblad> nope, not activated
[06:45] <Tm_T> nlindblad: yes, but you have to also compile kicker with --enable-debug and ooh, no crashes, no idea why so
[06:46] <robotgeek> on what should i file a bug in this scenario, "System Settings -> Network Settings" doesn not fit in the screen? kcontrol?
[06:47] <Tm_T> if it's in kcontrol
[06:47] <Tm_T> but, sounds like it
[06:47] <Tm_T> 's systemsettings thing
[06:47] <nlindblad> Tm_T: I chose Kubuntu because I was fed up compiling
[06:48] <nlindblad> (old Gentooist)
[06:48] <robotgeek> hmm, thanks Tm_T
[06:49] <Tm_T> nlindblad: hehe, I compile some stuff from svn, because I do some testing/developing or just modify for myself
[06:49] <nlindblad> okey
[06:49] <Tm_T> robotgeek: http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/systemsettings_1.png
[06:49] <Tm_T> nlindblad: but yeah, I would never compile whole KDE myself, if there's no _really_ good reason
[06:50] <robotgeek> Tm_T: yeah, same thing. Network Settings button
[06:51] <Tm_T> robotgeek: not same thing, I resized window -> what? stuff doesn't follow? and, if I press that "show all" button, only window resized back, nothing else =)
[06:51] <robotgeek> Tm_T: i can't resize the window, the bottom part of the screen goes below the panel. i'll screenshot, one sec
[06:52] <Tm_T> hehe
[06:52] <Tm_T> robotgeek: move with alt+drag
[06:58] <robotgeek> Tm_T: that works
[06:59] <Tm_T> good
[06:59] <Tm_T> workaround
[06:59] <robotgeek> but now i can't see the top part, and i cannot resize at all
[06:59] <Tm_T> you can't drag from corner?
[06:59] <robotgeek> nope, it doesn't let me
[06:59] <Tm_T> ooooh no
[06:59] <Tm_T> that's bad
[07:00] <Tm_T> robotgeek: solution? use kcontrol
[07:00] <Tm_T> that's what I'm usinf
[07:00] <Tm_T> g
[07:03] <robotgeek> Tm_T: yeah, kcontrol works (not that I need it to configure my network :) )
[07:03] <Tm_T> hehe
[07:04] <Tm_T> aye, systemsettings is ok as long as it works, never worked here though
[07:04] <robotgeek> so, it's not kcontrol, i don't know what it is!
[07:04] <Tm_T> it's "systemsettings"
[07:04] <Tm_T> trivial name for app
[07:10] <robotgeek> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7657
[07:15] <robotgeek> Tm_T: it looks like a known bug in breezy
[07:19] <Tm_T> aye


[18:11] <Pendulum> ooh, a cool accessibility note about today's google doodle: http://kestrell.livejournal.com/642665.html
[23:34] <maco> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-accessibility.html
[23:37] <charlie-tca> blank page for me. Got a heading
[23:38] <MrChrisDruif> Pretty big page with me
[23:38] <charlie-tca> That's the third page I have seen, with the same heading, and part of the same url, does nothing here
[23:38] <charlie-tca> it is blank
[23:39] <MrChrisDruif> Filled with lots of text
[23:40] <charlie-tca> This is what I get - http://imagebin.org/157582
[23:40] <charlie-tca> status.ubuntu.com seems to do it, this is the third page from there the same for me
[23:41] <MrChrisDruif> charlie-tca; did you try an other browser? Might be FF doing it?
[23:41]  * MrChrisDruif is using Chromium Daily O:-) but Chromium Stable should suffice just as well
[23:41] <charlie-tca> no, I would think any official ubuntu page should display in firefox
[23:42] <MrChrisDruif> Should, but just check to be sure?
[23:43] <Pendulum> It's fine in firefox for me
[23:43] <Pendulum> charlie-tca: do you have javascript enabled?
[23:43] <charlie-tca> hm, midori I can actually see the dots
[23:43] <charlie-tca> Pendulum: no, that might be it
[23:44] <charlie-tca> I keep it disabled
[23:44] <Pendulum> I think that's probably the problem (looking at the page source)
[23:44] <charlie-tca> That could be. I have had it disabled for years
[23:44] <maco> the charts are all JS
[23:46]  * maco off to sign language practice
[23:47]  * MrChrisDruif waves goodbye to maco