[00:00] <AlanBell> good question
[00:00] <popey> backwards?
[00:00] <AlanBell> new stuff at the top
[00:01] <popey> thats not that unusual is it?
[00:01] <popey> gmail does it
[00:01] <popey> outlook does
[00:01] <AlanBell> unlike IRC
[00:01] <ali12341> no it doesn't
[00:01] <popey> oh
[00:01] <ali12341> gmail puts the latest messages at the bottom
[00:01] <popey> oh
[00:01] <popey> most recent conversation at the top though
[00:01] <ali12341> so that you can read them in chronological order
[00:01] <popey> but yes, i see
[00:02] <ali12341> i still think twitter is not meant to be read
[00:02] <daftykins> threading really annoys some people, user preference is interesting
[00:02] <popey> off to bed, will see if it's still running in 8 hours time
[00:02] <daftykins> gn
[00:02] <popey> bah
[00:02] <popey> one more bug to file in cof
[00:03] <AlanBell> popey: are you following your stream or the sample stream?
[00:04] <popey> mine
[00:04] <popey> Bug #764060
[00:05] <popey> somewhat excessive screenshot there :)
[00:05] <popey> bah, people keep saying interesting things in my stream, i have to keep going to gwibber or twitter.com to see the urls :)
[00:05] <popey> oh, or the terminal I ran it from
[00:05] <popey> thats less bad
[00:09] <popey> http://ubuntuone.com/p/bFk/ :)
[00:10] <popey> first thing I thought was "nice shower curtain"
[00:10] <AlanBell> at some point you are going to come across some picture that you will wish you could un-see
[00:10] <popey> yes.
[00:11] <HazRPG> AlanBell: Hmm... I have sadly *shudders*
[00:11]  * AlanBell passes the eye bleach
[00:12] <HazRPG> The goggles! They do nothing!!
[00:20] <AlanBell> heh, it has drag and drop support!
[00:20] <AlanBell> try dragging and dropping a tweet onto another tweet
[00:21] <ali12341> nothing happens
[00:21] <popey> it moved
[00:22] <ali12341> ah
[00:25] <AlanBell> night all
[00:25] <ali1234> so... pidgin has a plugin for twitter api
[00:26] <ali1234> and it seems to actually make sense
[00:26] <AlanBell> that would work better than gwibber with streaming
[00:26] <ali1234> urls work too
[00:26] <AlanBell> beacause twitter is instant messaging when you have streaming
[00:26] <ali1234> probably works with libpurple too if you insist on using empathy
[00:29] <ali1234> no tab completion on replies
[00:30] <ali1234> also it acts like a 1 on 1 chat so you get "highlighted" whenever a tweet comes in
[00:33] <ali1234> it doesn't actually use streaming... it uses api
[00:33] <ali1234> and default refresh rate is 60 seconds
[00:52] <directhex> smuxi irc client also does twitter
[02:18] <ball> Anyone here used the Software Centre thing?
[06:29] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Help Me Be Better Meme - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/04/18/help-me-be-better-meme/
[07:51] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:56] <gordonjcp> morning
[08:33] <dwatkins> oioi
[08:34] <MooDoo> mawnin dwatkins
[08:48] <DJones> Morning all
[08:56] <dwatkins> hey folks, hope Monday isn't starting with too much of a jolt
[09:21] <kazade> morning all
[09:22] <MooDoo> morning
[09:27] <oimon> saw one of those hideous self-service tills in sainsbury's today running windows XP chkdsk :D
[09:27] <MooDoo> most of them run windows to be honest
[09:27] <Tommeh> Even more disturbing to see ATMs running XP.
[09:27] <oimon> that's why 1 in 3 is always out of service
[09:28] <diplo> morning
[09:29] <DJones> It could be worse, it could have been MR or Vista
[09:29] <DJones> s/MR/ME
[09:31] <oimon> probably the only time i use windows is when i get money out
[09:31] <bigcalm> Good morning peoples :)
[09:32] <MooDoo> xp is always used for that type of thing to be honest, it's the best out of the vista,me,98 lot
[09:49] <Myrtti> I wonder how hidious combination would be lemon and ginger curd with blue cheese
[09:49] <Myrtti> on a bread
[09:50] <DJones> That sounds revolting aoart from the bread part
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> Must be something Finnish :P
[09:52] <Myrtti> lemon curd is something very distinctly british
[09:53] <Myrtti> and even the blue cheese culture is roquefort
[09:53] <AlanBell> and is yummy
[09:53] <bigcalm> \o/
[09:53] <AlanBell> not sure that lemon curd and blue cheese is a traditional combo though
[09:53] <DJones> Blue cheese I would eat, but lemon & ginger curd sounds offensive in comparison
[09:54] <AlanBell> however it all ends up in the same place so I would eat it
[09:54] <Myrtti> it's all I've got in the fridge :-(
[09:54] <Myrtti> apart from piripiri chilies and mustard
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> cheese + mustard = yum
[09:54] <AlanBell> oh, well in that case, it sounds lovely, enjoy!
[09:55] <DJones> Sounds good, toast, melted cheese and mustard on top
[09:55] <Myrtti> I think I'll just have cookies instead :-/
[09:56] <kazade> gah, having such a rubbish start to the week!
[09:57] <DJones> kazade: Hows the twitter client coming on
[09:57] <kazade> DJones, getting there: http://i.imgur.com/2YO0S.png
[09:58] <kazade> DJones, you can keep an eye on progress here: http://www.kazade.co.uk/bugs/projects/ooosh/versions/1
[09:58] <DJones> That looks good
[09:58] <AlanBell> it does
[09:58] <kazade> gonna sell it on a "pay what you want" basis (i.e commonly nothing)
[09:59] <AlanBell> kazade: what is doing the rendering of tweets? is that a web thing?
[09:59] <kazade> Webkit
[09:59] <JamesTait> Greetings and felicitations!
[09:59] <AlanBell> and is it using the twitter streaming API?
[09:59] <kazade> AlanBell, no, that's gonna have to come later
[09:59] <kazade> I saw you are working on that ;)
[10:00] <DJones> I'm running natty at home, so if you need any extra testing, I'm quite happy to run it, AlanBell's looked good yesterday, very fast
[10:00] <AlanBell> streaming API works great
[10:01] <kazade> AlanBell, how do you deal with the constantly updating display?
[10:01] <kazade> I'm coding mine at the moment to only update the view if the users isn't looking at it, otherwise display a "More tweets have arrived, display?" type message
[10:02] <kazade> to prevent it jumping around
[10:03] <popey> morning slackers
[10:03] <MooDoo> morning popey ;)
[10:03] <kazade> hi popey
[10:03] <MooDoo> congrats on getting all the tickets for oggcamp gone :)
[10:03] <popey> :)
[10:04] <popey> yeah, kinda impressed they went
[10:04] <popey> hope people turn up!
[10:04] <AlanBell> kazade: well I am using a gtk treeview widgit
[10:04] <AlanBell> I really wanted not to do the "rerender the whole stream" approach that gwibber does
[10:05] <AlanBell> because that sucks
[10:05] <kazade> yeah
[10:05] <kazade> I might use JS to dynamically update it actually
[10:05] <kazade> that would be cool, I could slide the tweets down..
[10:05] <AlanBell> yup, that would be nice
[10:06] <AlanBell> reloading the whole thing is a bit of a nightmare for screenreaders
[10:07] <AlanBell> as is webkit tbh
[10:07] <AlanBell> so I wanted to use gnome components
[10:07] <kazade> probably a good decision
[10:07] <kazade> does it mean that handling images, urls etc. is a little more tricky though?
[10:08] <AlanBell> hell yeah!
[10:08] <kazade> that's the advantage of webkit, you get a lot of stuff "free"
[10:08] <AlanBell> images not too bad
[10:08] <AlanBell> clickable URLs are a bit of an issue
[10:08] <popey> does ocra only work on gtk stuff?
[10:09] <AlanBell> strictly speaking no, it works on other stuff too
[10:09] <AlanBell> but not webkit or Qt
[10:09] <AlanBell> Qt bindings are just about on the verge of existing
[10:10] <popey> but you're hosed if you use something like Air?
[10:10] <AlanBell> probably
[10:11] <AlanBell> the lack of webkit is why things like the slideshow in ubiquity are silent
[10:12] <Myrtti> popey: is there a cancellation queue for the oggcamp ticket?
[10:12] <Myrtti> +s
[10:12]  * AlanBell thinks they should stop teasing people with the "sold out" sign
[10:13] <popey> heh
[10:13] <oimon> kazade: are you planning to reduce the gap between tweets to fit more into a page? hotot achieves it nicely
[10:14] <kazade> oimon, the template is customizable ;)
[10:14] <oimon> :D
[10:14] <kazade> AlanBell, this seems to indicate that Orca works with webkit-gtk: http://osdir.com/ml/orca-list/2011-03/msg00171.html
[10:16] <oimon> twitter streaming api would be massively useful when following sports events via twitter
[10:17] <oimon> watched the last 15 mins of a football game yesterday using #arsenal hashtag - worked as good as radio
[10:18] <n1md4> morning. someone point me in the right direction to install gnome 3 on natty (a maverick might also work too).
[10:18] <kazade> oimon, I can see why streaming would be useful for following a hashtag or search
[10:18] <kazade> I'm not sure it's as useful on your home stream though, although it would be nice to have the option
[10:18] <oimon> kazade: certainly for a fast moving event such as sport
[10:18] <DJones> !gnome3 | n1md4
[10:18] <richards> #join geoserver
[10:19] <DJones> I thought there was a factoid for that
[10:19] <AlanBell> kazade: yeah, webkit-gtk is starting to become readable, in fact yelp in natty is just about workable (but not well structured)
[10:19] <AlanBell> kazade: try http://launchpad.net/circleoffriends
[10:19] <DJones> Gnome 3 is not currently supported on Ubuntu. A PPA is available at https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 but these packages are _experimental_, _unstable_ and may break your system.
[10:20] <kazade> AlanBell, will do
[10:20] <DJones> n1md4: I found the factoid :)
[10:20] <oimon> !unity
[10:20] <kazade> haha, I just discovered that unlike unity, middle click on DockbarX closes the application rather than opening a new window
[10:20] <AlanBell> if you don't have the streaming home page then you might be seeing tweets that are up to 59 seconds old. That is stale news.
[10:21] <kazade> lol
[10:22] <popey> :)
[10:23]  * popey gets ready to reply to every tweet with "OLD!"
[10:23] <kazade> AlanBell, it's not working for me :(
[10:23] <kazade> I authorized it... and now I have the window but no tweets
[10:23] <AlanBell> wait
[10:24] <popey>  /tweet @kazade bet you see something now?
[10:24] <kazade> ah!
[10:24] <kazade> I see
[10:24] <popey> :)
[10:24] <kazade> that's cool
[10:24] <popey> there was ~6 seconds between my tweet going and me saying it in here
[10:24]  * oimon waits for the day that gwibber gets sidelined by a quick and lightwieght twitter client
[10:24] <popey> you probably got it before me saying it here
[10:24] <kazade> popey, yeah it came up pretty quick
[10:25] <AlanBell> if you tweet something you will see your tweet come up in the stream. there is *nothing* special about your own tweets, that is how fast it is between a tweet happening and you seeing it.
[10:26] <popey> there is a bot in another irc channel I am in, which uses the streaming API
[10:26] <popey> my irssi goes "bonk" whenever there is a /notice (which the bot does)
[10:26] <popey> I press enter to send tweet and hear the "bonk" near enough immediately
[10:27] <n1md4> DJones: thanks
[10:31] <kazade> AlanBell, what if you are watching a really fast stream? e.g 100s of tweets per second. do you have any ideas on how to handle that?
[10:31] <AlanBell> yes :) it goes *fast*
[10:31] <oimon> any screenshots?
[10:32] <AlanBell> it can follow the sample stream, look at line 300 of bin/circleoffriends
[10:33] <AlanBell> uncomment the lines and restart to follow the fastest stream of utter inane garbage you have ever seen in your life
[10:33] <popey> does it run on windows/osx?
[10:34] <AlanBell> probably, if you install gtk
[10:34] <AlanBell> and desktopcouch :)
[10:34] <AlanBell> so perhaps not
[10:34] <kazade> AlanBell, that's pretty fast
[10:34] <kazade> too fast...
[10:34] <AlanBell> heh
[10:34] <kazade> ah crap, now I'm getting notify-osd spammed :)
[10:35] <AlanBell> yeah, that is why it says to comment that bit out!
[10:35]  * popey files bug 764400
[10:35] <popey> nice number
[10:36] <AlanBell> hmm, surprised it doesn't
[10:36] <oimon> bug #750000
[10:37] <oimon> hmm i think that guy reported that bug just to get the mythical 750,000 number...reported and fixed himself within same day
[10:40] <kazade> AlanBell, popey: http://www.kazade.co.uk/bugs/issues/23
[10:40] <oimon> http://evilrouters.net/achievement-unlocked/ :D
[10:41] <kazade> phew notify-osd has caught up
[10:42] <AlanBell> kazade: did you try moving the scrollbar when watching the sample stream?
[10:42] <kazade> nope, I was busy trying to read some of them :p
[10:42] <kazade> I guess it stops moving?
[10:42] <AlanBell> it stays static but when you are at the top it sticks there and the stream rolls past
[10:44] <kazade> I think I'll probably handle it by having some kind of threshold where it stops updating the screen and falls back to manual refreshing (if the user is watching)
[10:45] <kazade> and I'll do something similar with notify-osd... at the moment my client only displays up to 3 tweets, if more than that come in during an update it just says "You received X tweets"
[10:46] <gord> just my two pennys, but notifications should be used when you want to grab someones attention "someone has mentioned you in a tweet" - not "you have new tweets". that can happily live in the message indicator
[10:46] <gord> please, we really really really don't need more notify-osd spam :)
[10:50] <AlanBell> this is true
[10:53] <n1md4> DJones: Very very broken! I'm now reinstalling xD
[10:55] <DJones> n1md4: heh, Doesn't surprise me yet, most of the devs will presumably been working on unity & as gnome 3 has only just come out & isn't officially supported its got to be expected
[10:56] <gord> gnome 3 just came too late in the cycle to be included in ubuntu and as gnome-shell required components of gnome 3, couldn't be included. it'll all be in fine in O
[10:57]  * oimon is about to vote in the referendum
[10:57] <DJones> gord: After a few days using unity, I'd say don't bother with gnome 3, unity works brilliantly for me (I may be the only one saying that, but it does)
[10:58] <gord> lots of people are :) just - as with everythiing, vocal minorities
[10:59] <kazade> Unity is for the most part fine, the panel though is a mess IMO
[11:00] <DJones> The thing thats impressed me the most is the workspace switcher & having the 4 workspaces displayed & able to see whats changing on them so I can decide which one I want to go to
[11:00] <kazade> I'm getting sick of being unable to close or minimize background maximized windows
[11:00] <n1md4> Unity worked for me ... technically.
[11:00] <davmor2> morning all
[11:00] <popey> kazade: yeah, i dont like that either
[11:01] <popey> having to click a lot more with unity than i ever did before
[11:01] <davmor2> popey: You just don't like anything recently do you ;)
[11:01] <popey> (partly because I used to use ffm, so rarely click)
[11:01] <popey> ok, shrug it off then
[11:01] <popey> wheeee nothing to see here, all is fine, no, nobody dislikes unity, it's all great
[11:01]  * popey wanders off
[11:02] <kazade> There is a huge thread on Ayatana about the panel issues
[11:02] <davmor2> popey: FFM should be back for the next release as some of the devs use it primary one is Pitti if I recall so it will work
[11:02] <kazade> so far, no-one from Canonical has responded (MPT summarized the video that started the thread though)
[11:03] <popey> davmor2: I know pitti uses it, I've chatted to him about it
[11:03] <popey> as does kees
[11:04] <bigcalm> AlanBell: is this meant to be 4 seconds long? http://blip.tv/file/4904015
[11:04] <AlanBell> bigcalm: no
[11:04] <popey> but it's a regression and I'd be staggered if it came back in a way that worked the way GNOME 2 does
[11:04]  * bigcalm wants to know more!
[11:04] <AlanBell> bigcalm: there is a link somewhere to the streaming ogv
[11:04] <AlanBell> or just install the thing, it isn't hard
[11:05] <bigcalm> AlanBell: maybe later :)
[11:06] <AlanBell> bigcalm: http://blip.tv/file/4904015?filename=Alanbell-CircleOfFriendsTheTwitterClient799.ogv
[11:07] <bigcalm> AlanBell: ta :)
[11:08] <oimon> hmm. streaming ogv seems to be a still frame
[11:08] <popey> 4904015?filename=Alanbell-CircleOfFriendsTheTwitterClient799.ogv: HTML document text
[11:09] <oimon> Circle Of Friends - the Twitter Client 0:00 seconds long
[11:09] <popey> http://blip.tv/file/get/Alanbell-CircleOfFriendsTheTwitterClient799.ogv is the actual url
[11:09] <oimon> ah, that works
[11:10] <oimon> think the icon for it should be three chicken eggs in the ubuntu circle of hands style.
[11:11] <popey> haha
[11:13] <oimon> if CoF shows anything, it's that there's a lot of nonsense being spouted on twitter every single second
[11:13] <popey> directhex: what video card should I get to replace my 7900 pls?
[11:16] <gord> does the 7900 do vdpau stuff?
[11:16] <davmor2> oimon: not to worry if people don't want to hear they can block you ;)
[11:17] <oimon> :P
[11:17] <bigcalm> The twitter client of the future eh? ;)
[11:17] <bigcalm> AlanBell: what's it written in?
[11:17] <davmor2> bigcalm: python if it's using quickly
[11:17] <oimon> imagine CoF receiving that speed feed, piped into text to speech generator...it would be blah blah bieber blah blah bieber
[11:18] <davmor2> oimon: to be fair you would tune into that feed would you, you'd pick you're own
[11:19] <bigcalm> Ah well, I won't be contributing then :(
[11:19]  * oimon is a bieber-free zone
[11:24] <popey> gord: not sure
[11:24] <popey> gord: trying to "max out" my desktop, which means a new video card and a Q6600 CPU
[11:25] <directhex> popey, for gaming?
[11:25] <popey> a bit, yes
[11:25] <popey> not a tremendous amount
[11:25] <directhex> what do you want to spend?
[11:25] <popey> not much
[11:26] <popey> the 7900 in there came with the pc some 4 years ago
[11:26] <popey> iirc
[11:26] <directhex> geforce 550?
[11:26] <popey> is that "current" gen?
[11:27] <gord> graphics cards are at a... funny. place right now. new consoles are spinning up which means that a new graphics card won't be much good in 3 years time. but wait a year and that graphics card will be good three years after that
[11:27] <gord> i have a gtx 260 and it plays pretty much everything at the highest quality at 1920x1200
[11:27] <directhex> popey, yes, 500-series is current
[11:27] <popey> ta
[11:28] <directhex> or ati 6000-series
[11:28] <popey> is that 1xdvi and 1xhdmi?
[11:28] <directhex> depends on the card, that's the usual combination
[11:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol - Just got some spam telling us we are due a tax refund from hmrc. The URL points to a domain called newgaytruckstop... :-)
[11:29] <directhex> i've seen a real mix - 2xdvi+mini-hdmi, 2xdvi+displayport+hdmi, dvi+vga+hdmi, etc
[11:29] <popey> hmm, my current card has 2xdvi
[11:30] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer,  never been to new gay?
[11:30] <gord> my 260 has 2x dvi
[11:30] <directhex> digital outputs are pretty interchangable anyway
[11:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Newquay yes.
[11:30] <popey> thanks chaps
[11:32] <oimon> TheOpenSourcerer: hope you didn't visit the urL!
[11:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> oimon: I might look daft but...
[11:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyway - I'm not on Windows :-)
[11:33] <oimon> there's daft and there's curious..if someone says, don't press this button, i start wondering...
[11:33] <oimon> like the time i found a box marked treasure, behind a desk in a shared office once
[11:33] <oimon> to look or not to look?
[11:34] <gord> oh, right. you have to put coffee in your coffee maker for coffee to come out. learn something new every day
[11:36] <davmor2> AlanBell: I'm curious did you file a bug against gwibber,  and if so did you then point them at the circle of friends to see how they might improve what they have.
[11:42] <AlanBell> davmor2: no and no, not yet
[11:44] <AlanBell> not sure what bug I would file tbh
[11:46] <oimon> searching twitter for keyword gwibber shows there is a lot of hate for it out there!
[11:46] <davmor2> AlanBell: "ubuntu-bug qwibber" gwibber should have streaming content by now for twitter in the bug put I used quickly to throw this example code into play lp:circleoffriends :)  they'll file it appropriately
[11:47] <Myrtti> that's because it is really an awful app
[11:47] <Myrtti> nowadays
[11:48] <popey> its also missing quite a few very fundamental features
[11:48] <popey> like the ability to follow someone
[11:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> And to send tweets :-)
[11:49] <AlanBell> davmor2: in order to do streaming they would have to stop doing the "reload the entire stream" thing and do DOM injection of new messages
[11:50] <AlanBell> which breaks their themeing model and all sorts of other things
[11:50] <AlanBell> gwibber just aint built like that
[11:50] <gord> they should throw out their theming model
[11:50] <AlanBell> they should, it sucks
[11:51] <gord> using html to render your application because you haven't learnt cairo is not a solution
[11:55] <prithvi> anyone know of a good alternative to iperf/jperf  on ubuntu?
[12:02] <gord> prithvi, does jperf not work on ubuntu?
[12:04] <prithvi> gord: it works mate! but i cant import the test results into a spreadsheet to graph a chart!
[12:10] <gord> prithvi, i don't really know anything about the software sorry :) just that if its java, it should work on ubuntu
[12:12] <prithvi> gord: it does work. it's just that the output is formatted in a weird way, and there is no way to make it ouput CSV.
[12:12] <davmor2> prithvi: this might be of help maybe http://www.ubuntugeek.com/bandwidth-monitoring-tools-for-ubuntu-users.html
[12:12] <oimon> not sure if people already say this critique of unity on the ayatana list, but it pretty much covers a lot of common criticism of unity that should be addressed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCJAjK6g8eE&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_245452
[12:13] <gord> 21 minutes?
[12:14] <oimon> gord, yep :)
[12:14] <oimon> it is lunchtime after all
[12:15] <gord> not watching then
[12:15] <prithvi> gord, thanks! will look at it.
[12:38] <gord> thunderbird sure does like to freeze up. a *lot*
[12:38] <bigcalm> mutt \o/
[12:39] <gord> had to force quit it in the end, they have managed to make an email client worse than evolution. congrats
[12:40] <popey> hehe
[12:40] <davmor2> gord: I don't know I use evolution I never got on with thunderbird
[12:40] <popey> i have never liked thunderbird
[12:40] <gord> couldn't figure out how to get it to stop notify-osd spamming me either
[12:40] <oimon> i have liked thunderbird only in the last year
[12:41] <oimon> crash ratio evolution:tb 95:5
[12:41] <oimon> in my experience.
[12:41] <gord> all i want is a nice simple interface that does pgp signing stuff and lets me send/receive tiny text documents.. why can't someone just basically make a gmail app that works with any email
[12:41] <davmor2> oimon: I've only had Evo crash on me 3-4 times in total
[12:42] <davmor2> gord: try claws
[12:42] <gord> the other requirement is that it has to look pretty =\
[12:42] <oimon> davmor2: it's amazing the variety of experience. i had an imap account and ical calendars, and it crashed or disppeared on an almost daily basis
[12:43] <davmor2> gord: you just want the moon on a stick
[12:43] <oimon> gord, is your tb freezing because of the offline settings?
[12:43] <gord> i don't know why thunderbird is freezing, i just know that if it is, i don't want to use it
[12:44] <oimon> i turned off the synchronisation of large folders, since i am always connected. never had problems since then
[12:45] <davmor2> oimon: I have 7 accounts minimum, I have 4 calendars 2 ical, 2 google, I get on average 2-3000 emails a week.   Evo just seems to work.
[12:46] <prithvi> gord: try alpine
[12:46] <davmor2> prithvi: he said looks good
[12:47] <gord> yeah i'm not interested in a text client
[12:47] <prithvi> :)
[12:47] <popey> one day I may go back to mutt
[12:47] <prithvi> maybe you could add a  nice bg! :)
[12:47] <popey> but i like gmail too much
[12:47] <DJones> davmor2: 2-3000 emails a week, thats a hell of a lot a viagra adverts :)
[12:47] <prithvi> me too
[12:47] <davmor2> DJones: I work for canonical I get a lot of LP bug mail
[12:48] <gord> i sometimes think i should mark read all my bug mail.. but i would expect crashes. 50k mails in that folder
[12:48] <DJones> davmor2: Thats fair enough then
[12:50] <gord> found a use for my second monitor for today http://www.nyan.cat/
[12:53] <X3N> wow
[12:53] <bigcalm> Lost for words
[12:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> Strange - I've been using TB for years. I have >10 accounts. My TB profile is ~7GB and I use Lightning with ~8 calendars from Google via CalDAV. All seems fine to me.
[12:54] <directhex> o_o
[12:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> I don't use the packaged TB mind.
[12:54] <directhex> caldav :(
[12:55] <bigcalm> directhex: meatboy's music and fx audio settings were both set to 0. As you say, very squishy
[12:55] <directhex> bigcalm, squishy squishy squishy!
[12:55] <directhex> bigcalm, i only have one secret character :(
[12:56] <bigcalm> I haven't played it that much yet. And each time I play something on the potatosack that is complete, my friends bitch at me to stop playing it
[12:56] <directhex> heh
[12:56]  * TheOpenSourcerer neeeeeds a sarny.
[12:56] <bigcalm> It makes no difference to the release date
[12:56] <directhex> makes a few hours' difference
[12:56] <bigcalm> Woooo
[12:57] <bigcalm> Middle of a working day
[12:57] <directhex> currently it'll be out at ~10am tomorrow. though that'll dip a little by then
[12:57] <bigcalm> I pitty those who have not pre-loaded it
[12:58] <bigcalm> I had fun playing The Ball last night. Checked my HR at one point, 103bpm :S
[12:59] <X3N> it's like you're doing ..excercise..
[12:59] <popey> you can pre-load portal 2 without paying? :)
[12:59] <bigcalm> ...
[12:59]  * bigcalm sends popey to the corner
[12:59] <popey> what?
[13:00] <oimon> played portal 1 for about 1/2 hour..got bored
[13:00] <bigcalm> :P
[13:00] <popey> i have played portal 1 through a few times
[13:00] <oimon> actually i spent 1hr trying portal 1 on wine and 1/2 hour of playing
[13:00] <bigcalm> I played about half of it yesterday
[13:00] <bigcalm> Tis fun
[13:01]  * popey wonders how much portal 2 costs
[13:01]  * popey doesnt have steam on this pc
[13:03] <gord> popey, http://store.steampowered.com
[13:03] <popey> wouldn't it be great if portal2 came out on linux along with steam
[13:03] <popey> bwahahahahahaha
[13:03] <directhex> the engine's been ported, as has steam. valve aren't releasing it, presumably to avoid support costs
[13:03] <gord> i'm getting the ps3 version, get the pc/mac version activated along side it, its neat
[13:05]  * MartijnVdS is waiting for the PS3 version
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> which comes with a free copy of the Steam (PC/Mac) version
[13:05] <directhex> i don't want to play portal on a console
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> 42" TV > 21" monitor
[13:05] <gord> nice to have the choice though isn't it?
[13:05] <gord> i'll play it on my ps3 whilst its downloading on my pc :)
[13:06] <directhex> MartijnVdS, 40" tv from sofa ~= 27" monitor from desk
[13:06] <gord> sofa > chair
[13:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> Got this in my email this morning. It's nearly springtime in Canada... http://imgur.com/FuLYQ
[13:08] <MartijnVdS> directhex: Dutch homes > UK homes :P
[13:10] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: oh dear
[13:25] <silner> Just testing whether I can send (have to use ssl port)
[13:26] <directhex> nope.
[13:26] <silner> Thanks
[13:26] <directhex> you can't send.
[13:27] <kazade> woah, Portal 2 is £27!
[13:27] <kazade> I have been spoiled by Gog.com and the humble bundle
[13:27] <oimon> and they gave away portal 1 for free last  year
[13:27] <silner> Yeah that's even better value than last time - if you like games :)
[13:27] <kazade> yeah, that's why I'm shocked
[13:28] <kazade> I wouldn't spend that much on a game, let alone one where I don't get a nice shiny box to sit on my shelf
[13:28] <silner> Shiny box as in a console?
[13:28] <kazade> or PC game
[13:29] <kazade> I haven't bought many games since DRM started getting added to them
[13:29] <kazade> PC games I mean
[13:29] <kazade> only indie ones
[13:29] <silner> I never really bought games but I was still annoyed by DRM on principle
[13:29] <kazade> I have a shelf full of games from 2003 and before
[13:29] <kazade> they all work fine on Wine..
[13:29] <kazade> which is why I don't like DRM
[13:30] <kazade> and I don't "trust" Steam either
[13:30] <silner> I've never tried Wine-ing my old games - and OLD games is all I have :)
[13:30] <oimon> last game i bought was HL2
[13:30] <kazade> I bought the DOS version of X-wing and Rebel Assault the other day
[13:31] <directhex> portal 1 was a 6-hour component of a full retail product (the orange box). portal 2 is sized to be a full retail product on its own
[13:32] <kazade> true, I still don't think any game is worth that much money though :)
[13:32] <popey> i played the other games in orange box to death
[13:32] <popey> well, for me :)
[13:32] <silner> You can run most DOS games on DODbox I hear?
[13:32] <kazade> silner, yeah
[13:33] <kazade> DOSbox is amazing
[13:33] <directhex> best bit about dosbox is it works on non-x86 platforms
[13:34] <directhex> e.g. you can get dosbox for palm pre
[13:34] <kazade> Wine has been working on integrating dos box recently
[13:34] <kazade> it didn't work that well when I tried it, but it did prompt me to try DOSBox stand alone which was nice
[13:39] <silner> That would be a good idea if it could be integrated
[13:45] <silner> I notice Natty beta 2 has an option for Ubuntu Classic desktop in the login settings popey? When you choose it it seems to work but there seems no obvious way of going back to Unity - it that a bug or feature?
[13:46] <Pendulum> silner: there should be an option to switch between the 2 every time you log in
[13:50] <Kanzi> hello, can anyone please help to get my wifi working again after a fresh install?  It was working fine a few moments ago - thanks
[13:51] <directhex> unity sucks hard enough i moved my wife to kubuntu. it has some rough edges, but is WAY better on a netbook than regular maverick :(
[13:51] <directhex> Kanzi, have you clicked the network icon, and on your wireless network?
[13:51] <Kanzi> yes, I get an error msg to check my var/log
[13:52] <Kanzi> to directhex
[13:52] <directhex> hm
[13:52] <Kanzi> directhex, i get that message when I try installing the additional drivers, sorry
[13:54] <davmor2> Kanzi: you are connected to the wired network when trying to install correct?
[13:54] <Kanzi> Davmor2, no I can connect wirelessly at that point
[13:55] <Kanzi> it is only after I restart that this problem occurs
[13:57] <dogmatic69> anyone know where i can add something to fail2ban to not block a specific ip, or remove the logs of that ip
[13:57] <davmor2> Kanzi: Sorry what is it you are trying to do and what gives you the error?  It sounded like you were trying to install the wifi drivers when you got the error.
[13:57] <dogmatic69> need to do it by editing files if possible
[13:57] <davmor2> dogmatic69: put it in the whitelist
[13:58] <dogmatic69> davmor2: do you know if i add it after being blocked, will it 'unblock' or do i need to remove the block some how
[13:58] <Kanzi> davmore2: I have just freshly insalled natty beta 2 11.04 using a wireless connection and when I restart after the installation, I am prompted to activate the additional drivers, which I do, and then I get an error message.
[13:59] <davmor2> dogmatic69: goto /etc/fail2ban  see what file directories are in it.  You will normally have a blacklist and a whitelist,  if an ip is in the white list it can access you'll need to remove it from the blacklist though
[13:59] <dogmatic69> k, thanks
[13:59] <dogmatic69> will check them out
[13:59] <Kanzi> davmore2: the message is that the installation of the drivers failed and to check my var/log
[14:00] <dogmatic69> davmor2: what about logs? does it not auto check the logs and ban on boot?
[14:01] <davmor2> dogmatic69: it'll check the whitelist first the blacklist second for access and no access then it guesses what to do with everything else and move it into one of those
[14:01] <AlanBell> whitelist trumps the blacklist
[14:01] <dogmatic69> ok, cool
[14:01] <davmor2> dogmatic69: I use a different system but they are pretty similar AlanBell might know more if you're stuck
[14:01] <dogmatic69> so remove the ban, and the white list and i should be good :)
[14:01] <dogmatic69> should be good now
[14:02] <dogmatic69> i just cant ssh atm so it makes it hard (im blocked :/ )
[14:02] <davmor2> Kanzi: right is it the wireless drivers it was telling you to install in additional drivers?
[14:03] <Kanzi> davmor: yes
[14:04] <Kanzi> Broadcom STA propriety wireless driver
[14:04] <Kanzi> This package contains Broadcom 802.11 Linux STA wireless driverfor use with Broadcom's BCM4311-, BCM4312-, BCM4313-, BCM4321-,BCM4322-, BCM43224-, and BCM43225-, BCM43227- and BCM43228-basedhardware.
[14:04] <davmor2> Kanzi: the cd contains some that are installed by default.  So you'll need to conect to a wired connection install the drivers and you're wifi should work again
[14:05] <Kanzi> I just tried that but it didn't work.  I got the wireless driver working again from the cd and then when I restarted again from my HDD, it asked me to install again and then failed
[14:06] <Kanzi> I even reinstalled the whole OS again and that made no difference either
[14:08] <oimon> kanzi which laptop is it?
[14:08] <Kanzi> Davmore Dell Inspiron 1545
[14:11] <Kanzi> sorry that was to oimon (yellow font blinds me)
[14:13] <silner> Pendulum: The option was still there but it didn't change it back to actually using Unity. That's OK with me cos I'm not keen on Unity, but I may report it for other's benefit
[14:13] <oimon> Kanzi:
[14:13] <Pendulum> silner: that's definitely a bug :)
[14:13] <Kanzi> oimon?
[14:14] <oimon> Kanzi: try connecting the ethernet cable, and doing the following:
[14:14] <Kanzi> OK
[14:14] <oimon> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get --reinstall install bcmwl-kernel-source
[14:15] <oimon> note any error messages that appear
[14:16] <Kanzi> oimon: E: Unable to locate package bcmwl-kernal-source
[14:16] <oimon> you mis-typed
[14:16] <Kanzi> sorry one sec
[14:18] <Kanzi> oimon it is quite a long error message.  is it ok to paste it here?
[14:18] <oimon> kanzi, go to http://pastebin.com/ and paste the message onto the site
[14:18] <oimon> then paste the link here
[14:19] <Kanzi> oimon the installation completed though.  I will just try to run it and then post.  will do thanks
[14:19] <oimon> you will need to reboot if the install was successful
[14:26] <Kanzi> Oimon, it is working again now.  Thanks so much for your help :)
[14:26] <oimon> nice to hear it
[14:26] <oimon> http://www.thechromesource.com/chrome-os-release-coming-soon-stable-channel-now-available/
[14:27] <oimon> any thoughts? ^^^
[14:28] <dogmatic69> how do i mount an ebs image so i can just view the files on it
[14:29] <dogmatic69> ive 'attached' it, just the seeing data part i dont know
[14:30] <dogmatic69> 10.10 if it makes any difference
[14:32] <popey> o/
[14:32] <dogmatic69> think i figured it out
[14:35] <dogmatic69> ok, about the fail2ban stuff, /etc/fail2ban does not seem to have anything that looks like a block list, just .conf files
[14:39] <davmor2> AlanBell: ^ do you use fail2ban can you point dogmatic69 in the right direction
[14:40] <dogmatic69> seems like its just using iptables
[14:40] <dogmatic69> looking for a way to do iptables --flush in nano :)
[14:41] <Myrtti> fail2ban is just a tool to add iptables rules on the fly automatically according to some rules about forced entry
[14:41] <dogmatic69> ye
[14:41] <Myrtti> it doesn't -  as far as I know - have any static block lists
[14:41] <dogmatic69> can i flush it manually?
[14:41] <AlanBell> put yourself in /etc/hosts.allow
[14:42] <AlanBell> or is that denyhosts rather than fail2ban?
[14:42] <dogmatic69> i added the ip address to jail.conf
[14:42] <dogmatic69> /etc/fail2ban/jail.conf
[14:43] <AlanBell> maybe I don't know about fail2ban
[14:43] <dogmatic69> but i think its already in the iptables so it needs to be removed there?
[14:43] <oimon> dogmatic69: if you already have a permanent ban thaen you will certainly need removing from iptables
[14:44] <oimon> although i thought there was a command line tool for it
[14:45] <oimon> man fail2ban-client
[14:45] <aquarius> wtf? I've just upgraded, and I get "Update standard folders to current language?" which seems to want to move my Desktop folder to Downloads. What's that all about?
[14:46] <dogmatic69> oimon: i have the disk mounted, i cant run any commands like that
[14:48] <oimon> dogmatic69: then you can edit the iptables start script, where it loads the rules
[14:48] <davmor2> aquarius: out to annoy you by the looks of it :D
[14:49] <aquarius> davmor2, indeed. Am asking on #ubuntu-desktop
[14:49] <oimon> and add your IP to the ignoreip line in jail.conf ( i think)
[14:50] <oimon> aquarius: sounds like bug 209513
[14:51] <dogmatic69> oimon: any idea where that startup script is? not in etc/init.d/...
[14:51] <aquarius> oimon, aha. I am talking to seb128 abuot it :)
[14:55] <oimon> dogmatic69: which distro? and are you definitely using iptables and not ufw?
[14:55] <dogmatic69> 10.10 and no, im not sure
[14:55] <dogmatic69> its fail2ban, what ever that uses as default
[14:58] <oimon> dogmatic69: not sure about iptables on newer ubuntu releases, you could try find /etc -name iptables* -ls
[14:59] <dogmatic69> oimon: cool, that has this http://bin.cakephp.org/view/77709970
[15:00] <dogmatic69> updated link
[15:02] <oimon> hmmm try also paste etc/fail2ban/jail.conf for fail2ban settings
[15:02] <dogmatic69> its just std, only just added ip to ignore
[15:04] <dogmatic69> http://bin.cakephp.org/view/1134908229
[15:04] <dogmatic69> i guess i could just add 'iptables --flush' to some startup script
[15:05] <oimon> dogmatic69: i'm not convinced you are using iptables
[15:05] <dogmatic69> k
[15:05] <dogmatic69> what other options would there be?
[15:05] <oimon> ufw
[15:05] <oimon> i only use fail2ban on redhat so might need someone else with exp on ubunt
[15:06] <dogmatic69> searching the fail2ban site, ufw has 0, iptables has 18
[15:07] <hamitron> 0 and 18?
[15:07] <dogmatic69> links
[15:08] <hamitron> ah
[15:09] <doubi> Hi all. Can anyone tell me the meaning of the file names foremost gives to recovered files? Is it a timestamp of some kind? If so, does it related to any property of the original file or does it just indicate the order in which foremost recovered the file? (I know I can't get the original filenames back, I just want to know where to wade in to find the most recent versions)
[15:09] <doubi> s/does it related/does it relate/
[15:12] <dogmatic69> oimon: this seems to have a lot of iptables http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/HOWTO_fail2ban
[15:18] <oimon> dogmatic69: have you tried booting since adding your IP to ignoreip in jail.conf?
[15:22] <AlanBell> !info foremost
[15:23] <AlanBell> doubi: never heard of it before, but sounds useful, maybe try in #ubuntu to see if anyone has used it or can point you to the developers
[15:23] <dogmatic69> oimon: no, was gonna try that now
[15:25] <doubi> AlanBell, have popped over there. No-one knows, best guess is it's just sequential unfortunately. Luckily it's odf files I'm trying to sort through so there's plenty of stuff in the xml I can just grep for, including last modified times :)
[15:29] <dogmatic69> oimon: still the same
[15:29] <oimon> dogmatic69: you don't have console access to the machine?
[15:29] <dogmatic69> oimon: i just get permission denied
[15:30] <dogmatic69> if i had access i would not need to do all this :/
[15:30] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Andrew Gee] IPv6 Experimentation  Servers, DNS, Google Apps, and Glue - http://andrewgee.org/blog/2011/04/18/ipv6-experimentation/
[15:32] <davmor2> doubi: it'll just be an id that foremost gives it.  Most try and keep the .png .txt .pdf correct but then it's upto you to rename that files,  Part of the reason for it is that is aiui they can capture partial information so it might grab 3 parts of a jpeg file that gives you the whole thing.
[15:32] <oimon> dogmatic69: you would need to verify that it is fail2ban actually causing the problem (by checking logs etc).  additionally you could create a fresh iptables file and perform a iptables-restore < newfile to load the new rules instead
[15:32] <oimon> so long as iptables is causing the problem, that is
[15:33] <doubi> davmor2, Thanks for the clarification
[16:11] <dogmatic69> oimon: found the issue :/
[16:11] <oimon> sshd not running?
[16:11] <dogmatic69> from="<IP_ADDRESS>" ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC....
[16:11] <dogmatic69> internal ip changed
[16:11] <oimon> tut tut
[16:11]  * dogmatic69 bashes head on desk
[16:12] <oimon> i advise less drinking at lunchtime
[16:12] <oimon> ;)
[16:12] <dogmatic69> :D
[16:12] <dogmatic69> so what is more reliable?
[16:35] <doubi> exit
[16:35] <doubi> lol
[16:41] <oimon> !info trousers
[16:58] <jacobw> afternoon all
[16:59] <popey> lo
[17:00] <HazRPG> hi
[17:00]  * jacobw is fed up
[17:01] <jacobw> i need a cool job, not a boring and tedious job
[17:01] <jacobw> ostrich tamer seems reasonably stimulating :p
[17:18] <DJones> Crocodile dentist sounds more stimulating
[17:25] <zenog> hello everyone
[17:36] <jacobw> hi
[17:39] <brobostigon> good afternoon everyone.
[17:41] <brobostigon> hmm, using i915.modeset=0 did stop it from using drm the gpu hang issue, however when starting gnome-shell it stuck me into fallback, hmm.
[17:45] <brobostigon> so it was a success, and not at the same time.
[17:46] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: improvement, or not? :)
[17:46] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: had it on all afternoon, no gpu lockup.
[17:47] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[17:47] <brobostigon> however,
[17:50] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: is it meant to stop all accelareation?
[17:51] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: does it do that? hmmm
[17:52] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: no, because gnome-shell didnt start, and went into fallback.
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: at least you don't get lockups :)
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: but: explain this in the bug report :)
[17:52] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i need to test some of the things i know cause lockups like flash videos.
[17:53] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: definatly.
[17:53] <davmor2> czajkowski: How are you today kiddo?
[17:53] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i have on paper what i want to put into it.
[17:54] <davmor2> zenog: hello
[18:10] <Myrtti> this is so wrong, on several layers and meanings of wrong http://www.flickr.com/photos/46567174@N06/5614867323
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: but it's chocolate!
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: and vanilla
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: and creme egg!
[18:12] <AlanBell> genius!
[18:16] <Myrtti> hm
[18:16] <Myrtti> quite nice these crisps
[18:16] <Myrtti> Jimmy con carne :-D
[19:00] <jacobw> Jimmy con carne? :s
[19:00] <brobostigon> [A
[19:00] <brobostigon> brb, reboot, kernel update,
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> \o
[19:05] <Myrtti> jacobw: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Walkers-Jimmy-Con-Carrne-Flavour-Comic-Relief/127894240616634
[19:10] <brobostigon> phew, no breakage :)
[19:10] <brobostigon> yay.
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: w00t
[19:11] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i am trying the kernel-ppa kernel.
[19:29] <popey> gord: you know when you see a grey panel in a new unity.. whats crashed?
[19:29] <hamitron> bah, knackered :/
[19:29] <popey> gord: its a clean install of natty
[19:29] <popey> in vbox
[19:30] <popey> http://imgur.com/PY8uP
[19:30] <popey> the right panel did load initially then disappeared
[19:31] <willy1977> hostname
[19:31] <willy1977> gah
[19:40] <cbx33> hey all
[19:49] <dogmatic69> o/
[19:49] <jacobw> \o
[19:50] <dogmatic69> anyone around know about drivers licenses in the uk and have a spare minute?
[19:51] <dogmatic69> #slightlyofftopic
[19:51] <jacobw> dunno, all you can do is ask
[19:52] <dogmatic69> been in the uk almost a year and need to get a bike license... not to sure where to start
[19:53] <dogmatic69> tried a few applications on the dvla site, and all i could apply for is a provisional license (dont even know what that is)
[19:53] <willy1977> dogmatic69: a prov license is a license that allows you to drive/ride whilst learning
[19:53] <Pendulum> dogmatic69: where are you from?
[19:54] <dogmatic69> Pendulum: south africa
[19:54] <dogmatic69> willy1977: ah ok
[19:54] <dogmatic69> so its prov -> theory -> full
[19:54] <willy1977> prov - theory (incl hazard perception - practical test - full usually
[19:55] <dogmatic69> ok
[19:55] <dogmatic69> well then i seem to be on the correct track
[19:55] <willy1977> do you hold a license in SA?
[19:55] <dogmatic69> also need to figure out how to convert my SA car license
[19:55] <dogmatic69> only a car, not bike
[19:55] <willy1977> ah that answers that :D
[19:56] <dogmatic69> apparently its a straight swap here as the rules are about the same
[19:56] <dogmatic69> and SA drives on the correct side of the road
[19:56] <willy1977> http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/DrivingInGbOnAForeignLicence/DG_4022562 try that...
[19:56] <dogmatic69> nice
[19:56] <dogmatic69> i been searching for months... even before i came over
[19:57] <dogmatic69> :/
[19:57] <dogmatic69> need to do it over
[19:59] <willy1977> been resident > 12months?
[19:59] <dogmatic69> oh wait, read it wrong
[19:59] <dogmatic69> south africa is a designated one \o/
[20:00] <dogmatic69> will have been here 12 months in june ish
[20:00] <willy1977> ah ok, sounds like it's go for launch then :D
[20:01] <willy1977> also, see what categories end up on the UK license as it was my understanding that a full car license entitles you to learn to ride a motorcycle - but you would be best talking to a CBT provider aswell
[20:02] <willy1977> CBT = http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/LearnerAndNewDrivers/RidingMotorcyclesAndMopeds/DG_4022430
[20:03] <dogmatic69> willy1977: ye, saw that but it is if you got your license < 2001, also i *have* a 400 which is not quite a moped
[20:04] <willy1977> dogmatic69: lol no, next step up from a moped maybe :s
[20:04] <dogmatic69> hopefully they are a bit quicker here as it can take ~ 6 months from 0 -> full license in SA
[20:04] <willy1977> you can do direct access courses too
[20:04] <dogmatic69> (if you pass first time because they already made quota)
[20:05] <dogmatic69> ye, i got to find the quickest way. got my first bike at 4 so i dont need the lessons
[20:05] <dogmatic69> though all the traffic circles are confusing tbh
[20:09] <willy1977> well if you are > 21 years old and because you're an experienced rider you should be able to search out a Direct Access provider
[20:09] <dogmatic69> cool
[20:09] <dogmatic69> tx for the help
[20:09] <willy1977> no worries
[20:10] <willy1977> hope you get yourself sorted soon ;)
[20:11] <dogmatic69> nice, says it takes 15 days to swap out the license
[20:11] <dogmatic69> only have a few weeks till i been here a year.. time has flown
[20:15] <dogmatic69> think i should have swaped my license first now
[20:15] <willy1977> :/
[20:15] <dogmatic69> just paid 50 quid for a prov
[20:15] <dogmatic69> would not have needed that then i guess
[20:16] <willy1977> in these instances it may be best to phone someone up at the DVLA and explain your situation...
[20:16] <dogmatic69> ye, will call tomorrow
[20:25] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/715096/comments/14 doesthat sound ok?
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: looks fin
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> e
[20:27] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: enough detail?
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> yeah
[20:28] <brobostigon> :)
[20:31] <dogmatic69> google strikes again
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> ?
[20:31] <dogmatic69> it wants my cc just so i can create a sandbox for integration
[20:32] <dogmatic69> sandbox requres registration, registration requires cc
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> sandbox?
[20:33] <dogmatic69> dummy checkout stuff, to test integration code
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> ah
[20:33] <dogmatic69> fake sales etc
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> google checkout :)
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> get the company cc :P
[20:33]  * dogmatic69 is the co
[20:33] <dogmatic69> freelancing++
[21:10] <jacobw> does anyone know how to do slideshow wallpaper in unity/gnome?
[21:14] <james_w> jacobw, you can take a look at /usr/share/backgrounds/cosmos/ if you have it installed
[21:14] <james_w> not as easy as "slideshow of pictures in this directory" though
[21:16] <jacobw> it should be :s
[21:17]  * jacobw looks at it anyway
[22:09] <Azelphur> http://speedtest.net/result/1257888305.png woot \o/
[22:10] <Azelphur> on my old line I only got 2mbit average
[22:10] <matti> Azelphur: ;]
[22:10] <matti> Azelphur: Now! Quick! Backup whole Internet!
[22:10] <matti> ;p
[22:10] <Azelphur> actually near enough what I'm intending to do xD
[22:10] <Azelphur> I want daily rsync's from my server
[22:10] <matti> Hahah
[22:28] <bigcalm> Pleasing that Super Meat Boy will play in wine. Shame that it doesn't render all of the elements correctly though
[22:29] <n1md4> hello
[22:29] <n1md4> I'd ho
[22:29] <dogmatic69> o/
[22:32] <n1md4> I wpanted to install testing on my laptop today, and thought I'd downloaded the testing netinst, but now it's up, sources.list says squeeze.  Am I right to assume this is therefore not testing?
[22:34] <brobostigon> n1md4: squeese in not stable, just change oyoure sources.listentried to testing insted of squeese/stable.
[22:34] <brobostigon> squeese is stable*
[22:34] <brobostigon> and then dist-upgrade
[22:34] <n1md4> Just remembered, this is the ubuntu channel -- sorry guys :P  Same difference though :P
[22:35] <n1md4> Thanks, brobostigon.
[22:35] <brobostigon> :)
[22:38] <AlanBell> is testing still called sid?
[22:39] <brobostigon> unstable is sid.
[22:39] <brobostigon> unstable is always sid.
[22:40] <brobostigon> and you can specify either stable/testing/unstable directly in sources.list
[22:42] <brobostigon> not strictly the codename,
[22:51] <AlanBell> sid breaks toys
[22:51] <brobostigon> yes, :)
[22:54] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[22:54] <bigcalm> Night :)
[22:55] <HazRPG> brobostigon: night \o
[22:55] <HazRPG> brobostigon: sleep well
[22:55] <brobostigon> HazRPG: good night, sleep well also.
[22:55] <brobostigon> bigcalm: good night, sleep well.
[22:55] <HazRPG> anyone seem my video I posted up?
[22:56] <brobostigon> o/
[22:56] <HazRPG> I thought it might serve well for linking people to that ask about irc
[23:06] <dogmatic69> lol
[23:07] <dogmatic69> anyone seen http://theoatmeal.com/blog/fix_computer
[23:07] <bigcalm> That's about right
[23:07] <bigcalm> 9 hours to go!
[23:09] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: portal2?
[23:09] <bigcalm> But of course :D
[23:10] <bigcalm> If I go to sleep now, I can get up early and play some before work in the morning!
[23:10] <bigcalm> My goodness, I'm like a little child waiting for xmas
[23:11] <dogmatic69> :
[23:11] <dogmatic69> * :D
[23:11] <dogmatic69> did not play 1, but it looks awesome... saw a clip
[23:37] <gord> sweeeet, upgraded my laptop, killed my root partition
[23:37] <gord> just what i wanted at 11:40pm
[23:38] <popey> oops
[23:39] <Pendulum> gord: ouch
[23:42] <matti> ;/


[00:46] <Nafai> I thought ubuntu one used to have a notification icon or an app indicator, but I'm not seeing one now (I'm on the very latest in Lucid)
[01:33] <duanedesign> Nafai: The Lucid version does not have an applet
[01:35] <Nafai> ok
[01:36] <Nafai> is there any way to check syncing progress, etc?
[01:36] <Bookman> I seem to have a problem where all my files in my Ubuntu One directory are read only.  I've tried to change the permissions via root but they are still the same.
[01:37] <Bookman> Actually, it is not all files.  Just one.
[01:38] <duanedesign> Bookman: if you do: ls -la ~/Ubuntu\ One
[01:39] <duanedesign> are you the owner and group?
[01:39] <Bookman> Yes, the only way out was to load it, save a copy, delete the original and then rename the copy.  Works now, thanks.
[01:40] <duanedesign> interesting...glad you got it sorted Bookman :)
[01:40] <Bookman> Thanks, sorry to jump the gun!
[01:40] <duanedesign> no harm, no foul
[01:41] <Bookman> I must say, it is working pretty smooth now!  Just too many conflict files created.
[01:44] <Bookman> I am creating a program with Gambas and I use a working directory in my Ubuntu One directory so that I can program no matter where I am.  This creates a ton of conflict files.  Maybe using the Ubuntu One directory as a working directory is not a good idea?
[01:47] <duanedesign> Bookman: i ihave seen bug reports similar to what you are describing.
[01:48] <Bookman> That is actually a good thing.  I'll keep plugging along then!
[03:07] <wgrant> My Gwibber messages DB is getting pretty big. Shouldn't it delete things after a while?
[03:09] <kermiac> hey :) quick question re triaging u1 bugs - I'm seeing a lot of bugs with "DBus Error: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.". Previously I was setting them as dupes of bug 498444 (as per info in the wiki), but I have seen a few unmarked as dupes.... how would I ensure they are
[03:09] <kermiac>  dupes or not?
[12:35] <duanedesign> kermiac_: good question. I have been wanting to get some clarification on that  myself. If you gain a better undderstanding of this (and its not in here) let me know please
[12:36] <kermiac_> duanedesign: yeah, I'm seeing a lot of them lately, but not triaging as I've obviously mis-triaged a couple of them as they were un-duped. maybe the wiki needs updating or something...
[12:37] <duanedesign> kermiac_: The way i undderstand it is the symptom, the exclamation point, not connecting at boot-up is the deciding facter of dupe or not
[12:38] <duanedesign> but that is not always present in the reports :)
[12:38] <kermiac> duanedesign: ok, I'll try to keep that in mind.. that's what i was about to say - sometimes that info isn't in the reports :)
[12:39] <kermiac> perhaps it might be a good idea to ask for more info to clarify the OP bug reporter's exact issue
[12:39] <duanedesign> kermiac: i have noticed some with logs like the ones we are discussing, that are crashers
[12:41] <duanedesign> kermiac: good idea. Ill make a note to ask the U1 team for clarification on that error in the log and possibly other things that could be used to help triage them properly
[12:41] <kermiac> duanedesign: so it seems like it may even be a more general fault... I'm not entirely sure though, seems like the same "dbus not responding" message under different circumstances (i.e some not connecting, some connecting, some crashers, etc)
[12:42] <kermiac> that's another reason why I've stopped triaging them as there seems to be multiple scenarios that may bring up the same error message in the logs
[12:42]  * kermiac got confused
[12:45] <duanedesign> kermiac: i have done the same...
[12:49] <kermiac> duanedesign: if you're around when one of the devs are, can you please ask for a bit of clarification & maybe ping me or update the wiki? I'd like to find out exactly what we should be doing as there are a decent amount of these types of bugs and I'm sure most of them would be dupes. It would be nice to be able to clean them up :)
[13:14] <duanedesign> kermiac: i will definetly will do that and ping you with anything i find out.
[13:14] <kermiac> thanks duanedesign, I would really appreciate that :)
[13:57]  * popey wonders why bug 532966 has been marked low
[14:02] <duanedesign> we are getting a large number of bug reports like bug 532934
[21:18] <duanedesign> rye: ping
[21:21] <rye> duanedesign, pong
[21:22] <boondoklife> is ubuntuone working on lucid? I cant seem to get my system to pull or put any files up there.
[21:24] <duanedesign> rye: any idea what could be causing the package in the beta ppa to fail
[21:24] <rye> duanedesign, r321 ?
[21:25] <duanedesign> rye: there are reports it looks like for r321 and r407
[21:26] <rye> duanedesign, hmm... let me fire up my vm
[21:26] <duanedesign> bug
[21:26] <duanedesign> bug 532864
[21:26] <rye> hm
[21:27] <duanedesign> bug 533014
[21:27] <rye> ubottu, bug -1 bug 0 ?
[21:27] <duanedesign> those two pretty much represent the dozen or so reports that have been filed.
[21:29] <rye> package ubuntuone-client-gnome 1.1.2+r407-0ubuntu2~ppa1~karmic failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/u
[21:29] <rye> package ubuntuone-client-gnome 1.1.2+r407-0ubuntu2~ppa1~karmic &
[21:30] <rye> ubuntuone-client 0:1.1.1+r321-0ubuntu1~ppa1~karmic
[21:30] <rye> ubuntuone-client-gnome does not say that it needs to have ubuntuone-client updated as well
[21:30] <rye> i remember dobey said something about this
[21:32] <duanedesign> rye: running 'Fix Broken Package' in Synaptic is supposed to allow the update to proceed
[21:32] <rye> duanedesign, it will probably upgrade the ubuntuone-client to r407 as well
[21:42] <rye> duanedesign, hm, just updated my karmic vm from 1.0.3 to ppa - 407
[21:42] <rye> no issues
[21:42] <duanedesign> rye: at first i thought it was related to people running the ~jaunty branch in Karmic.
[21:45] <duanedesign> because a lot of them are people running Karmic and trying to install ubuntuone-client-gnome 1.1.1+r321-0ubuntu1~ppa1~jaunty
[21:47] <duanedesign> then i started to see reports of people running ubuntuone-client 0:1.1.1+r321-0ubuntu1~ppa1~karmic and trying to install r407 on Karmic
[21:59] <rye> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bugs?field.searchtext=%22trying+to+overwrite%22
[21:59] <rye> wow
[22:00] <rye> how do they do that?
[22:19]  * rye has some problems with lucid mountall - I have successfull boots 1 time of 3... Waiting for /home [SM]... in plymouth... why is it waiting and who is SM? :)
[22:20] <rye> bug
[22:20] <rye> username is not taken from lp/sso when syncdaemon requests server account info
[22:20] <rye> i am still roman-yepishev there... though I have changed my lp nickname for 4 or 5 times...
[22:21]  * rye needs to use normal english...
[22:26] <duanedesign> ahh your back :)
[22:27] <duanedesign> rye: heh, you saw all those reports
[22:52] <duanedesign> rye: i gotta do some MOTU work. i realize its getting late/early there but if you have any sugggestions for how we should triage those bugs let me know.
[22:53] <rye> duanedesign, i am now testing some networking stuff but I will look into these reports as soon as I have my connection working properly again. It looks like the versions of ubuntuone-client-gnome and ubuntuone-client disagree about who is the owner of the file, therefore we need to make sure that the update will force the upgrade of all related packages
[22:54] <rye> I am searching for dobey's answer on this but can't find yet - it was in some bug report but since my connection is now limited to IRC I am not that productive
[22:55] <duanedesign> ill poke around a bit and see if i can find it
[22:55] <dobey> it's fixed already, but the ppa might not have fixed packages? 1.1.3 is in lucid now though, and fixed
[22:55] <dobey> (and now, i'm gone again)
[23:05] <duanedesign> bug 523752
[23:05] <duanedesign> rye: ^^
[23:06] <rye> duanedesign, true
[23:07] <duanedesign> rye: that was reported last month
[23:07] <duanedesign> rye: why all of the sudden we get 12 reports today
[23:15] <rye> Version: 1.1.2+r407-0ubuntu2~ppa1~karmic
[23:15] <rye> Replaces: nautilus-ubuntuone, ubuntuone-oauth-login, ubuntuone-storagefs
[23:15] <rye> Depends: python-ubuntuone-client (= 1.1.2+r407-0ubuntu2~ppa1~karmic), python-configglue, python-apport
[23:16] <rye> looks ok to me
[23:50] <rye_> hm
[23:51] <rye_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[23:51] <rye_>   ubuntuone-client-gnome: Depends: ubuntuone-client (= 1.1.1+r321-0ubuntu1~ppa1~jaunty) but 1.1.2+r407-0ubuntu2~ppa1~jaunty is installed
[23:51] <rye_> jaunty vm
[23:51] <rye_> weird
[23:52] <rye_> regular apt-get upgrade updated ubuntuone-client to 1.1.2+r407-0ubuntu2~ppa1~jaunty but left ubuntuone-client-gnome at 1.1.1+r321-0ubuntu1~ppa1~jaunty


[02:01] <veebers> babbageclunk: the help summary for show-model states "Shows information about the current or specified model." yet there is no way to specify a model (i.e. no -m) is the summary wrong or is it wrong that it doesn't take -m
[02:01] <veebers> ?
[02:12] <babbageclunk> veebers: It takes model as a positional argument.
[02:12] <veebers> babbageclunk: d'oh, reading fail for me. Thanks :-)
[02:12] <babbageclunk> veebers: :)
[11:29] <hoenir> can someone take a look at this ? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6556
[13:32] <mup> Bug #1640079 changed: LXDs doesn't start after a reboot <lxd-provider> <openstack> <uosci> <juju:Triaged> <juju (Ubuntu):Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1640079>
[15:03] <mgz> no one for standup?
[15:07] <macgreagoir> mgz: I can rejoin. I was there alone :-)
[15:07] <natefinch> we just did a super short one
[15:07] <mgz> macgreagoir: nate and I just did a lightning standup
[15:07] <mgz> feel free to fill us in here
[15:10] <macgreagoir> ipv6 blah blah blah
[15:12] <macgreagoir> Just trying to see if the enable-ha issue I'm hitting is ipv6 relatd or something else.
[15:18] <natefinch> macgreagoir: I wouldn't be surprised.
[15:20] <natefinch> macgreagoir: what version of mongo?
[15:20] <macgreagoir> 3.2
[15:20] <macgreagoir> .9
[15:21] <natefinch> hmmm... ok, if it had been 2.6 I'd almost assuredly think it was ipv6, but 3.2 is supposed to work
[15:21] <natefinch> but definitely could be a juju specific bug
[15:24] <macgreagoir> ipv6 seems good in 3.2. Seems to be an id clash somewhere in the momngo docs.
[17:22] <hoenir> could someone take a look on this PR https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6556 ? and also could someone tell me that the CI logs are ok on the last commit ?
[17:22] <hoenir> what are your thoughts on this?
[17:56] <hoenir> someone?
[18:02] <mgz> hoenir: sorry, have been deep in several things today
[18:02] <mgz> hoenir: the checks passed, is there something in particular you want to see in the logs?
[18:23] <hoenir> mgz, I'm referring on that "bad certificates" warnings..
[18:25] <mgz> there are some "remote error: bad certificate" lines on stdout for the trusty unit tests
[18:25] <mgz> not actually causing any tests to fail
[18:25] <hoenir> so it's safe to merge
[18:26] <mgz> I don't know, what's the background?
[18:28] <hoenir> The background is that, on a previous PR axw suggested, in order to make these changes possible I should move the juju/cert (all the generic-common pieces) into a utils/cert pkg , the utils/cert part is already merged.
[18:29] <hoenir> this patch is already merged so.. I wanted to finish the job by merging the other patch in (juju-core).
[18:29] <hoenir> https://github.com/juju/utils/pull/250
[18:33] <hoenir> so mgz it's safe to $$merge$$ this bad boy?
[18:33] <mgz> as it's a us holiday and end of sprint, I think the people who were looking at your code just weren't around today
[18:34] <mgz> hoenir: the check says yes, and perrito666 approved
[18:35] <mgz> might be nice to send a message to the dev list about the cert error spam, so people are aware, and can follow up to fix?


[12:14] <zul> hey
[12:25] <zul> yay...2.6.12 boots
[12:41] <BenC> 2.6.15 is going to require an ABI bump
[12:42] <zul> doh..
[12:42] <BenC> did 2.6.12/2.6.10 pass ABI tests?
[12:42] <zul> yep it did
[12:42] <BenC> did you rename the ABI directory and everything?
[12:42] <zul> i renamed the abi directory from 34 to 35
[12:42] <BenC> ok, then you're good
[12:43] <zul> it built the debs :)
[12:43] <BenC> man, this xeon box rips through dual amd64/i386 kernel builds like nothing
[12:43] <zul> it wouldnt have built them would they not?
[12:43] <BenC> I found that the edgy build didn't fail of the previous ABI's didn't exist to compare to
[12:44] <BenC> wasn't sure if it was a bug in recent build stuff, or something that's always been there
[12:44] <zul> whoops..
[12:44] <zul> ill be back in about half hour going to watch the rest of friends
[12:44] <BenC> ok
[12:45] <crimsun> BenC: what's the ETA on next 2.6.15?
[12:45] <crimsun> (upload)
[12:45] <BenC> tonight or tomorrow morning
[12:45] <kylem> BenC, feel free to poke me about hppa things whenever you need.
[12:46] <crimsun> BenC: ok, please apply the fix for #34831 (posted to the list)
[12:46] <BenC> kylem: hey!
[12:46] <BenC> crimsun: will do
[12:46] <crimsun> BenC: great, thanks
[12:46] <BenC> kylem: my A500 still isn't booting 2.6.17
[12:47] <kylem> BenC, hmm. got a console log?
[12:47] <BenC> no console output, and I just reused the .config from 2.6.15 which works great
[12:47] <kylem> hm, can you post the .config?
[12:47] <BenC> email?
[12:47] <kylem><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:49] <BenC> kylem: sent
[12:49] <kylem> thanks.
[12:49] <BenC> I applied the pa6 patch to the tree too
[12:50] <mdz> BenC: urgh, my irqpoll problem has returned with 2.6.17
[12:50] <mdz> the one which was fixed ages ago
[12:51] <kylem> BenC, so there's absolutely no output after palo?
[12:53] <mdz> BenC: bug 11671
[01:01] <BenC> kylem: It shows a "Console reset" and "Disk reset" message
[01:01] <kylem> hmm. can you paste it? that's pretty much totally unexpected.
[01:02] <BenC> yeah, let me reboot to capture it
[01:02] <kylem> thanks
[01:02] <BenC> mdz: Ok, I let the patch revert in 2.6.17 to see if it came back...I'll re-add it
[01:10] <BenC> Branching to kernel entry point 0x00100000.  If this is the last
[01:10] <BenC> message you see, you may need to switch your console.  This is
[01:10] <BenC> a common symptom -- search the FAQ and mailing list at parisc-linux.org
[01:10] <BenC> Console reset done.
[01:10] <BenC> Boot device reset done.
[01:10] <kylem> woah.
[01:11] <BenC> kylem: You can't see it in the paste, but there's about 4 blank lines before the Console reset and one more after it before the boot device reset
[01:11] <zul> oh hey kylem
[01:11] <kylem> hi.
[01:11] <kylem> BenC, i assume this config is for your edgy kernel? i'll try building/booting your git tree.
[01:12] <BenC> ok
[01:17] <zul> BenC, do you want to have a quick look at the diff for breezy?
[01:22] <zul> or ill just upload it
[01:44] <BenC> yeah, that's good
[01:45] <zul> upload it?
[02:15] <BenC> zul: yeah
[02:19] <BenC> I'm getting errors from automake
[02:19] <BenC> Makefile.am:24: BUILD_LINUXDOC does not appear in AM_CONDITIONAL
[02:19] <BenC> configure.ac: 39: required file `./[config.h] .in' not found
[02:19] <BenC> src/Makefile.am:37: invalid unused variable name: `ATIMISC_CPIO_SOURCES'
[02:19] <BenC> src/Makefile.am:45: invalid unused variable name: `RADEON_EXA_SOURCES'
[02:19] <BenC> src/Makefile.am:41: invalid unused variable name: `ATIMISC_DGA_SOURCES'
[02:19] <BenC> src/Makefile.am:36: invalid unused variable name: `ATI_CPIO_SOURCES'
[02:19] <BenC> autoreconf2.50: automake failed with exit status: 1
[02:32] <BenC> [22466.357915]  [drm]  Initialized drm 1.0.1 20051102
[02:32] <BenC> [22466.368099]  ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:0b:01.0[A]  -> GSI 18 (level, low) -> IRQ 177
[02:32] <BenC> [22466.368139]  [drm]  Initialized radeon 1.24.0 20060225 on minor 0
[02:32] <BenC> [22468.850731]  [drm]  Setting GART location based on new memory map
[02:32] <BenC> [22468.851572]  [drm]  writeback test succeeded in 2 usecs
[02:32] <BenC> new driver uses drm just fine
[02:32] <mdz> BenC: sneaky
[02:33] <BenC> let me go check if glx and everything looks ok
[02:33] <zul> coool...it got accepted
[02:34] <BenC> mdz: Current ati xorg driver crashes on this xeon box
[02:34] <BenC> so we'll need a dapper update from airlied that I just tested
[02:35] <mdz> BenC: as long as we're fixing ati bugs, can we get one for that display corruption bug too?
[02:36] <BenC> hopefully this new release fixes that
[02:36] <BenC> do you have a bug number I can point airlied to?
[02:39] <mdz> looking
[02:40] <mdz> BenC: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-driver-ati/+bug/38198
[02:57] <BenC> mdz: spoke too soon, ati with drm enabled still crashes on this xeon box
[02:58] <BenC> drm/dri has to be disabled to use ati...but you can boot with safe graphics and that works
[02:58] <BenC> fglrx doesn't even work with it
[02:58] <mdz> what kind of card?
[02:58] <mdz> works fine for me with all of my ATI devices
[02:58] <BenC> it's an rn50 chip
[03:02] <BenC> airlied that rn50 chip is dodgy they are just m7s with the 3d engine broken..
[03:02] <BenC> might just have to choke that down as an errata
[03:04] <airlied> mdz: disable redner accel..
[03:04] <mdz> airlied: for all Ubuntu users?
[03:05] <airlied> mdz: well for that bug to test if it is the problem..
[03:05] <mdz> need to reboot due to 11671
[03:05] <airlied> I'm not sure if turning it off for everyone is the answer..
[03:06] <airlied> BenC: I'm not even sure the drm should bind to those cards at all..
[03:06] <airlied> ah the reported already turned render accel off..
[03:07] <airlied> damn then someone jumps in with an unrelated google earth bug..
[03:11] <BenC> airlied: Can you suggest a patch that would disable render-accel and/or drm for rn50's?
[03:12] <airlied> well just removing the rn50 pci id from the kernel would stop it, but that branch should also do it in the driver...
[03:12] <airlied> have you a log from when it crashes?
[03:15] <BenC> can't see anything when it crashes
[03:15] <BenC> screen goes sync, and then deadlock
[03:24] <airlied> if you mount / sync then get the Xorg.0.log from it..
[03:42] <BenC> (**) RADEON(0): RADEONDRIStop
[03:42] <BenC> (**) RADEON(0): Disposing accel...
[03:42] <BenC> (**) RADEON(0): Disposing cusor info
[03:42] <BenC> (**) RADEON(0): Disposing DGA
[03:42] <BenC> (**) RADEON(0): Unmapping memory
[03:42] <BenC> that's the last part of the Xorg.0.log
[03:43] <BenC> nope, that's not the one
[04:10] <zul> freenet has dsl now? cool..
[04:10] <zul> uploaded for both hoary and breezy
[04:11] <kylem> zul, yeah. $29.99/month no contract.
[04:11] <kylem> zul, 5Mbit with 40G/month too.
[04:11] <zul> not bad...wish i had a phone line..
[04:11] <zul> BenC: why the change in the control files for edgy?
[04:13] <BenC> zul: makes it easier to keep all the -image and -headers package descriptions consistent
[04:13] <zul> ah ok..
[04:15] <BenC> mdz: sparc FTBFS on breezy is know, but no one has bothered to fix it...thanks for the forward though
[04:15] <BenC> s/know/known/
[04:33] <BenC> crimsun: applied your last four patches, so just need to do some test builds and boots
[04:33] <crimsun> BenC: great, thanks much
[03:50] <zul> hi
[03:52] <zul> brb
[04:49] <AZzKikR> `uname -r` prints out 2.6.15-25-386, and i need to apt-get the source and headers of this kernel version. Anyone has any idea which package that might be?
[08:48] <zul> BenC: eh...you are assigning me things now?
[08:53] <BenC> zul: I've made you the "breezy hoary kernel maintainer" :)
[08:54] <BenC> I figure you'll be doing the next breezy upload, so might as well get that patch in
[08:56] <zul> ok...cool..thanks...i think ;)
[09:10] <mdz> BenC: have you already merged the patch in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuietenGrub ?
[09:11] <BenC> mdz: doubt it
[09:11] <mdz> BenC: please do
[09:12] <mdz> zul: are you going to upload the grub bits?
[09:12] <BenC> mdz: done
[09:19] <mdz> BenC: thansk
[09:28] <zul> mdz: yes i was going to work on it tonight
[09:29] <zul> i have updated the patch according just have to update grub
[09:48] <mdz> zul: cool, thanks
[10:17] <zul> later
[10:17] <zul> time to go home


[09:19] <mac_v> tormod , tseliot i get the crash with the x-updates package too
[09:19] <tseliot> mac_v: with -ati and the new mesa?
[09:20] <mac_v> yeah
[09:20]  * mac_v checking logs
[09:21] <mac_v> tseliot: what/where am i supposed to look for?
[09:22] <mac_v> the xorg log has no time :(
[09:22] <tseliot> can you ssh into that machine from another one, reproduce the crash and have a look at the log and at dmesg?
[09:23]  * mac_v has only 1 linux system
[09:23]  * mac_v also not an ssh noob ;)
[09:23] <mac_v> also a*
[12:32] <cwillu> tjaalton, sorry, I did that thing where I ask a question and then drive around rural saskatchewan for two days
[12:33] <cwillu> re: power management patches, I lost track of the bug number, as the notification stopped showing up even though the display still went in and out of power saving just like it has been.
[12:34] <cwillu> The laptop had been on for a while though, I'll update and reboot again; basically ignore me until I post back on that bug saying it's still not working :p
[12:39] <tjaalton> we know it's not working
[20:36] <Turl> hi
[20:36] <Turl> Do you currently see some splash on karmic shutdown?


[02:17] <superfly> zzzzz
[05:39] <Kilos> hi mazal en ander mense
[05:39] <mazal> Môre oom
[05:47] <GnikLlort> Good morning everyone
[05:47] <Kilos> hi GnikLlort
[05:47] <GnikLlort> :)
[05:51] <Symmetria> morning :)
[05:51] <Symmetria> who here has strong regex foo ;p
[06:06] <thatgraemeguy> mornings
[06:07] <thatgraemeguy> Symmetria: not sure if mine is "strong" but lets give it a try
[06:21] <Cryterion> Mornings
[06:34] <Symmetria> lol got it sorted
[06:34]  * Symmetria is about to do something interesting :P
[06:34] <Symmetria> Im turning on v6 for 2 and a half thousand corporate customers
[06:55] <linda> Hi kl
[06:55] <linda> Kilos,
[06:55] <Kilos> hi linda
[06:56] <Kilos> real linda or jan?
[06:56] <linda> Its the imposter again, visiting Lind. Shes on ADSL now!
[06:56] <Kilos> ok
[06:57] <Kilos> im just switching to lappy
[06:57] <linda> Is there a way to set the touchpad to remain off? It keeps on coming on again after restart
[06:57] <Kilos-> im here now
[06:57] <Kilos-> yes in settings somewhere
[06:58] <Kilos-> i have mine auto off when i plug in a usb mouse
[06:58] <Kilos-> but im on kde so not sure what you look for in unity
[06:59] <Kilos-> mine says turn noff touchpad when pluggin in usb mouse
[06:59] <Kilos-> just needed to tick one little block
[07:00] <linda> Is that on your system settings?
[07:01] <linda> Let me Google a bit
[07:05] <linda> OK Kilos  ill love and leave you for now
[07:10] <Kilos> yes
[07:10] <Kilos> ai!
[08:03] <mazal> Sjoe maar dis stil
[08:03] <mazal> Gaan alles so goed en niks breek nie ?
[08:15] <Symmetria> lol
[08:15] <Symmetria> hows this for a bash command line:
[08:15] <Symmetria> PTP=0; CLIENT=4096; for i in `cat dia-clients |awk -F "CID" '{print $2}'|grep [0-9] |sed s/://g |awk '{print $1}' |sed 's/\r//g' |sed 's/\n//g'`; do PTP=`expr $PTP + 1`; CLIENT=`expr $CLIENT + 1`; printf "Allocation for CID %s: 2c0f:fe40:%X::/48 PTP: 2c0f:fe40:4000:%X::/64\n" $i $CLIENT $PTP; done |more
[08:21] <magespawn> good morning
[08:22] <pieter2627> morning
[08:42] <Kilos> hi magespawn pieter2627 inetpro and others
[08:44] <pieter2627> hi Kilos, how are you?
[08:44] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[08:45] <pieter2627> good thanks
[08:48] <pieter2627> hello qwebirc38860, welcome to the ubuntu za channel
[08:58] <qwebirc38860> Hello pieter2627
[09:00] <magespawn> hi qwebirc38860
[09:01] <qwebirc38860> Hi magespawn
[09:13] <magespawn> qwebirc38860: welcome to ubuntu-za, is there something we can help you with, or are you just here for a casual chat?
[11:00] <pieter2627> ken enige van julle n boeresport aktiwiteit wat nie vreeslik bekend is nie maar wat wel lekker en maklik is?
[15:21] <gremble> Evening folks
[17:47] <Kilos> hi gremble
[17:47] <Kilos> and everyone else
[17:57] <melodie> hi Kilos
[17:57] <melodie> have you read the news on the #ubuntu-africa chan?
[17:58] <Kilos> nope
[17:58] <Kilos> hi melodie lemme go see
[18:39] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[19:07] <inetpro> guten Abend meine Damen und Herren
[20:27] <Cryterion> inetpro Kermit und Uwe?
[20:28] <inetpro> Cryterion: ?
 guten Abend meine Damen und Herren
[20:29] <Cryterion> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFHk4MRTvZk
[20:29] <inetpro> oh my goodness, you mean there's a song with that title?
[20:30] <inetpro> yikes!
[20:30] <Cryterion> yep, in german too, guess you talking the news side
[20:31]  * inetpro just meant to say a friendly hi to everyone :-)
[20:32] <inetpro> sounds like a nice song that
[20:32] <Cryterion> yip
[20:32] <Cryterion> yeah, midnight show ;)
[20:33] <inetpro> and I even like the Kermit guy as well
[20:34] <inetpro> don't know the Uwe guy though
[20:36] <Cryterion> Don't know them either, sounded very much like Falco though
[20:36] <Cryterion> but anyway, Gute Nacht, ich werde schlafen
[20:44] <kulelu88> are there a lot of germans in SA?
[22:13] <inetpro> zzZ...


[04:57] <vychune> o/
[05:04] <vychune> logging out o/
[05:28] <Unit193> cyberanger: Now we are mostly done with the move :P
[05:48] <cyberanger> Unit193: well, that's mostly good news ;-)
[06:01] <Unit193> Aye, I don't think I'll be needed as much anymore. Love seat, sofa couch, loft bed, desk, dresser, table, a few book cases, etc will make you VERY hot in no time!
[20:29] <cyberanger> Unit193: and how's things now?
[20:30] <Unit193> I haven't had to do any moving today :D  (And I haven't seen my sister around...)
[20:32] <Unit193> cyberanger: How about you?
[20:33] <cyberanger> I've not been moving either (and I don't have a sister) ;-)
[20:33] <cyberanger> Doing well
[20:33] <cyberanger> Playing old Playstation (PS1) games