[10:59] <gnomefreak> MindVirus: it doesnt show it in depends but that doesnt always mean it wont remove something. you can try to remove it and it will give you the rest of the packages you need to remove than you decide if you still want to remove it
[10:59] <gnomefreak> brb smoke
[11:00] <MindVirus> gnomefreak: I can either remove maximus, which will remove ubuntu-netbook, or not, which will retain both.
[11:03] <MindVirus> gnomefreak: I can either remove maximus, which will remove ubuntu-netbook, or not, which will retain both.
[11:08] <gnomefreak> anyone know how ipod support is (using rythembox or what not)
[11:21] <red> ey
[11:21] <red> whats the system tray app panel app called?
[11:21] <red> with minimized to tray icons list
[11:23] <gnomefreak> red: im not sure this bug is what you are seeing but here you go bug 396485
[11:23] <gnomefreak> oops
[11:23] <gnomefreak> sorry one minute
[11:25] <gnomefreak> red: bug 396485  maybe this is your bug?
[11:27] <gnomefreak> damnit
[11:27] <gnomefreak> ok here you go red bug 542343
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. removeing the light-themes  does not remove the Ambiance gnome-terminal profile.. Wonder if that counts as a bug.
[11:40] <zniavre> it's  ubuntu-artwork no ?
[11:42] <martron> hi, just installed lucid for fun, on second hard drive, new to ubuntu, how to see my windows hard drive?
[11:46] <red> gnomefreak: nah, ty for trying to help thought
[11:46] <red> the panel starts but is partly empty
[11:46] <gnomefreak> np
[11:46] <red> until I switch it to bottom and back up x)
[11:46] <red> weird
[11:50] <Pici> darn
[11:51] <Svedrin> I just updated to lucid and now keep getting this error message for munin-node and nfs-{common,kernel-server}: Unable to connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused
[11:51] <Svedrin> I only find websites talkiing about chroots, but I'm in a VM instead...
[11:52] <Svedrin> what should I do to fix this? :/
[11:52] <Bittarman> VM's can still have chroots
[11:52] <Bittarman> so the solution there probably still applies
[11:53] <Svedrin> they suggest replacing /sbin/initctl with /bin/true
[11:53] <Svedrin> but I'm not sure that's a good idea - I do want services to start :)
[11:53] <Svedrin> and I'm not inside a chroot, it's the plain guest system
[11:54] <Svedrin> or does ssh chroot somehow?
[11:56] <Pirate_Hunter> hi anyone care to suggest a filesystem that is good at handling many files  in one volume, it will get accessed often, small files are created, written and removed. Was looking into reiserfs... but what is the other alternative?
[12:12] <Svedrin> could dbus not running be the cause for this?
[12:18] <HAMBURG> were can i get audio/x-private-ts-lpcm decoder ???
[12:20] <HAMBURG> help
[12:21] <HAMBURG> were can i get audio/x-private-ts-lpcm decoder ???
[12:21] <gnomefreak> HAMBURG: please dont repeat. someone will help you if they know the answer
[12:22] <HAMBURG> ok sorry
[12:25] <OerHeks> HAMBURG, you still can't find restricted extra's when you search for 'restricted' ??
[12:26] <HAMBURG> yes
[12:26] <HAMBURG> i cant
[12:26] <HAMBURG> its not there
[12:26] <OerHeks> odd, it should be there, without extra steps
[12:27] <OerHeks> Kubuntu-restricted and ubuntu-restricted
[12:27] <pmatulis> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras
[12:27] <HAMBURG> ill try apt-get it
[12:28] <Dr_Willis> Has anyone noticed the default 'console' having sort of a purple tinge/color ?  Or are my eyes getting old...
[12:28] <OerHeks> Dr_Willis, your eyes are fine :-D
[12:28] <Pici> Dr_Willis: Thats new default gnome-terminal profile.
[12:29] <Dr_Willis> not gnome-terminal but the Console.
[12:29] <Dr_Willis> Gome terminal default annoys me because it has silly transparancy set
[12:29] <Pici> Oh, It wouldn't suprise me if that was changed as well, but I can't check it here.
[12:29] <Dr_Willis> It looks like the other box is using a framebuffer. and a purpleish tinge..
[12:29] <HAMBURG> couldent get the package even with apt-get
[12:29] <Dr_Willis> I normally disable the FB and stuff
[12:30] <yofel> HAMBURG: do you have the multiverse repos enabled? (it's off by default)
[12:30] <HAMBURG> yes
[12:30] <HAMBURG> my other software tab in synaptic is
[12:30] <HAMBURG> http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu
[12:30] <HAMBURG> http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu lucid partner
[12:31] <yofel> you don't need the partner repos for that, just multiverse
[12:31] <yofel> HAMBURG: so what goes wrong if you want to install ubuntu-r-e?
[12:32] <HAMBURG> huh
[12:32] <HAMBURG> im trying to get a decoder
[12:32] <HAMBURG> that should (apparently) be in there
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> what decoder?
[12:33] <HAMBURG> sec
[12:33] <HAMBURG> im reloading packages again
[12:33] <HAMBURG> cant tell you while im doing that
[12:33] <HAMBURG> audio/x-private-ts-lpcm decoder
[12:33] <HAMBURG> that one
[12:33] <yofel> Dr_Willis: he said audio/x-private-ts-lpcm before
[12:33] <HAMBURG> ^
[12:36] <HAMBURG> got it working
[12:36] <HAMBURG> thanks for the help guys
[12:38]  * Dr_Willis sends HAMBURG  the bill
[12:42] <glance> grub-probe /target/
[12:42] <glance> grub-probe: error: no mapping exists for `rootvg-rootlv'.
[12:43] <glance> when reading on the bug-pages for grub2, the symtoms has bin seen before, but now it looks like they are back...
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. there is a purple tinge to the console - Not sure how they are setting that.
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> yet somthing else to disable. :)
[12:49] <zekoZeko> Dr_Willis: terminal -> change profile -> default :)
[12:49] <zekoZeko> but i kinda like it this way.
[12:50] <pmatulis> Dr_Willis: not sure what you mean.  i have switched to the console and i have normal light grey and black
[12:51] <zekoZeko> pmatulis: gnome terminal has an "Ambiance" profile now, which is transparent and a little bit purple.
[12:52] <pmatulis> zekoZeko: terminal != console
[12:52] <Pici> Dr_Willis is talking about the VTs
[12:52] <zekoZeko> oh
[12:53] <zekoZeko> mine are black....
[12:53] <zekoZeko> sorry for the misunderstanding, just dropped in here after the weekend :)
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> its definatly NOT black on this one pc.. but the grub menu is black. so i know its not the Monitor
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> seems the Vga16fb module is getting loaded. even tho i used the nofb option
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> Anyone noticed that If you Upgrade, the users 'button order' getting changed to the Radiance default. (on the left) even IF the user had allready set to use a diffrent theme?
[13:16] <Pici> Dr_Willis: Yes.
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> Pici:  Thats really going to be an annoyance  for those that have /home seperate and several dozen+ users.
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> I thouhg i saw it happen that way..  just wanted to double check.
[13:44] <syk> hmm my volume icon seems to be gone. how do i get it back? lol
[13:45] <yofel> syk: it's part of the indicator applet now
[13:46] <syk> yofel, i dont understand
[13:46] <yofel> syk: well, do you have the indicator applet in your panel?
[13:46] <syk> yofel, i dont think so?
[13:47] <yofel> syk: well, the audio control applet is now integrated into the indicator applet, so you need to add the indicator applet
[13:47] <syk> yofel, ah ok ty
[13:47] <Dr_Willis> let see... I got a Network Jack, a speaker, a Envelope, the date/time, a Funny Square and my name.. and a power button in my top panel :)
[13:47] <Dr_Willis> Hard to tell which ones are  together.
[13:48] <Dr_Willis> speaker + mail = indicator it seems.
[13:48] <Dr_Willis> i just went to move that to the lower panel.. and it crashed. :) no speaker or mail icon now
[13:49] <Dr_Willis> Thats a little annoying. I really dont want/need the Mail indicator thing.
[13:50] <LinuxGuy2009> I didnt know that until now myself. Battery, bluetooth, volume, and indicator are all together on my netbook. Strange change.
[13:50] <Dr_Willis> I dont see what we are gaining by 'mergeing' what looks like 2 applets into One.
[13:51] <jmcantrell> how do i get rid of that envelope notification icon?
[13:51] <Dr_Willis> jmcantrell:  you dont without getting rid of the spealer/volume also
[13:52] <deanus> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/how-to-remove-social-network-features.html
[13:52] <LinuxGuy2009> jmcantrell: Yeah theres at least 4 icons that I see that are linked now. Kinda goofy.
[13:53] <jmcantrell> it's so pointless.
[13:53] <jmcantrell> deanus: thanks for that link
[13:54] <LinuxGuy2009> At least they didnt mess with something important like eyeballs in my panel.
[13:55] <jmcantrell> hehe
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/how-to-remove-social-network-features.html   gotta bookmark that. I see a Future FAQ answer there
[13:55] <ianmartin> hi, having problems with X/logging in with lucid.  Having logged in at the user prompt it hangs showing the background and the wait timer.    How can I find my problem?
[13:56] <Dr_Willis_> ive noticed similer quirks ianmartin  -  try the alt-ctrl F1 through F9 - On my system for some odd reason i actually had 2 X sessiosn getting started.
[13:57] <jmcantrell> i wish there were a theme similar to the default, but looked ok with the window controls being on the right side and reordered
[13:57] <Dr_Willis_> I found it easier to just sudo apt-get remove light-themes
[13:58] <Dr_Willis_> or whatever its called
[13:58] <jmcantrell> Dr_Willis_: what do you mean?
[13:58] <Dr_Willis_> i remove that silly theme. :)
[13:59] <jmcantrell> heh. what theme do you use?
[13:59] <h00k> I just opened bug 544177 against go-home-applet on Ubuntu Netbook Edition
[13:59] <h00k> I wonder if it'll stick
[14:00] <Dr_Willis_> Ive so many issues on my netbook that has UNR + normal Ubuntu-desktop installed.. its scary
[14:00] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[14:02] <BoondoKlife> hrm something odd is afoot, the bug report for the samba mounting asks to run stacktrace, but I can not find the pstack package in the repos. The packages site says it should be there. Can anyone else see it?
[14:03] <genii> BoondoKlife: I see the 32 bit there but not 64 bit
[14:05] <BoondoKlife> genii: Ok, that makes me feel better. I didnt notice the i386 at the end. wonder why there is not a 64bit.
[14:05] <yofel> hm, pstack is indeed i386 only
[14:05] <yofel>     pstack |      1.2-1 | lucid/universe | source, i386
[14:05] <BoondoKlife> should there not be a 64bit version?
[14:07] <yofel> no idea, maybe a bug report would be nice, but pstack doesn't seem to have changed since dapper :/
[14:07] <h00k> Does this help? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[14:09] <BoondoKlife> h00k: Thanks
[14:09] <h00k> BoondoKlife: :)
[14:17] <Damascene> could some one test this link with vlc
[14:17] <Damascene>  http://www.khayma.com/tajweed/taha/lameyatebnalqayem.mp3
[14:22] <BluesKaj> howdy
[14:23] <BoondoKlife> I dont use compiz, is it safe to completely remove it from my system?
[14:23] <electro> Is there a workaround for flash / firefox 3.6 yet?
[14:23] <electro> i haven't been able to find one on the net
[14:23] <electro> and its 64bit
[14:23] <yofel> electro: the bug report about that has a workaround
[14:24] <yofel> electro: (if you're talking about bug 410407)
[14:25] <electro> yeah
[14:25] <electro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/529153
[14:27] <yofel> electro: oh, you don't have flash at all?
[14:28] <waltercool> fluendo vs ugly? For mp3 playback?
[14:30] <Pici> YingFan: The schedule in the topic might answer what you're looking for.
[14:30] <YingFan> how is the the release schedule for betas in ubuntu done? The beta exist all from the start and is continously built on until it becames the next standard release or does e.g. the beta1 a specific date to its release?
[14:30] <YingFan> oops, was typing...
[14:31] <Pici> !schedule
[14:31] <YingFan> ok thanks pici, will check milestones
[14:31] <woodyjlw> im running the 10.04 and have had it for 2 weeks now and it is the best by far! every problem I had with wake and suspend is fixed and I have better 3d support and all the other little bugs I had with older ubuntu ver. is fixed so far....only thing I have not gotten to work properly is wicd but I am sure it will be fixed by final release......very very pleased so far
[14:32] <OerHeks> same here, woodyjlw :-)
[14:32] <woodyjlw> running an hp l2000 lance armstrong laptop
[14:32] <YingFan> woodyjlw what about new hardware support? SATA3?
[14:32] <woodyjlw> dont have sata
[14:32] <woodyjlw> so I dont know
[14:34] <woodyjlw> going to build a new desk top soon and want to build it for ubuntu to run on so i will be doing lots of research soon for best video card that is supported by linux
[14:34] <YingFan> nvidia vs ati as usual I guess
[14:35] <woodyjlw> yep
[14:35] <woodyjlw> i hear nvidia is better supported
[14:35] <YingFan> I know nvidia is easier on mac for sure, so assume same goes for linux
[14:36] <tgpraveen12> ati is better in long term even if not using linux. and their open source drivers are going to be good
[14:36] <tgpraveen12> though nvidia has pretty good but proprietary drivers
[14:36] <woodyjlw> if that is case I want to use ati but so far I am not impressed with them on linux
[14:36] <YingFan> probably, but the 'are going to' is usally the deal breaker
[14:37]  * yofel makes a note that noveau is going to get better too...
[14:37]  * charlie-tca thinks it depends on the day of the week as to which is better
[14:38] <woodyjlw> it has been easier for me to install ubuntu and teach the basics of it to people then to constantly clean the viruses from there MS all the time and I have noticed that all the people I have switched have been very happy with it
[14:39] <woodyjlw> so this 10.04 will be very nice to start installing for friends
[14:39] <tgpraveen12> woodyjlw: well for common folks/non power users ubuntu is defienetely better
[14:39] <jmcantrell> the darklooks theme with the default icon theme looks good. :)
[14:40] <woodyjlw> my goal is to switch as many friends and family to it as I can
[14:40] <YingFan> Stable release should be better for introductions
[14:40] <woodyjlw> I do like the software installer a lot better
[14:41] <woodyjlw> easier for new people to use
[14:41] <woodyjlw> and irc is great support to
[14:42] <woodyjlw> I show them irc and google and they are able to fix most problems without calling me all the time too lol. ubuntu has great support
[14:43] <arand> woodyjlw: One problem with irc is that the support in empathy is, rather lacking.
[14:43] <YingFan> any better place than devel-announce to look for a supported hardware list of some sort?
[14:45] <woodyjlw> most hardware info I find with google or forums
[14:45] <woodyjlw> when is the final release for ununtu 10.04 ?
[14:46] <YingFan> 29th apr
[14:46] <KB1JWQ> woodyjlw: See the /topic
[14:46] <arand> woodyjlw: See schedule in topic ;)
[14:46] <woodyjlw> oh ok
[14:56] <sno> afternoon all, 10.04 amd64 can't seem to resize my ext4 or ntfs partitions, am i missing something? worked fine in 9.04, the otion is gray'd out during install or if i manually open gparted
[14:56] <sno> im using the latest beta
[14:56] <rsk> are you opening gparted as root?
[14:56] <sno> rsk yes
[14:57] <sno> gksudo gparted
[14:57] <arand> sno: or are the partition locked?
[14:57] <sno> arand: i don't belive so, i mounted them first to verify which was which, then right click -> umount and opened gparted after
[14:58] <arand> sno: gparted has a lock symbol if they are
[14:58] <sno> i see, ill try again here *boots laptop*
[14:58] <CalmvsKhaos> How can I tell which version of Gnome I have by command line?
[14:58] <arand> sno: or a key symbol, rather
[14:58] <sno> CalmvsKhaos: dpkg -l | grep -i gnome is a good start
[14:59] <CalmvsKhaos> sno, ok ty :)
[14:59] <sno> yw
[15:03] <sno> hmm definately no lock type symbol arand , uploading screenie now
[15:05] <alieno> hi everybody. just curious, a new icon appeared on my indicator applet. http://imagebin.ca/view/2luZZSu.html. anybody knows what is it?
[15:05] <ouinecayveune> is that blutooth ?
[15:06] <alieno> ouinecayveune, possibly. but I've got the "regular" bluetooth one showing as well
[15:06] <ZykoticK9> Nvidia 6150 (onboard) video is booting system to a text login (X is not starting) - I've tried without an Xorg.conf and with nvidia-settings Xorg.conf = same result.  Nvidia-xorg, X log at http://pastebin.com/6f4CiBSj -- without an xorg.conf X log at http://pastebin.com/0S5cA6ip
[15:06] <alieno> and is not telling me anything, nor with mouse over neither with clicks
[15:07] <Dr_Willis_> i would guess bluetooth
[15:07] <YingFan> bluetooth with caries
[15:07] <Dr_Willis_> unless you changed a theme and got diffrent icons
[15:07] <alieno> nope, original theme
[15:07] <alieno> it's a bit weird cause is mute
[15:12] <sno> hmm finding it tough to take a screenshot, installed gimp and it doesn't seem to have the option to take a delayed screenshot anymore, pressing screenshot button on keyboard doesn't work when right clicking a menu item, doh!
[15:13] <arand> sno: sleep 5 && gnome-screenshot
[15:13] <tgpraveen12> sno: applications->accessories->take screenshot
[15:13] <ZykoticK9> sno, the regular Gnome screenshot has an adjustable time option
[15:13] <sno> oh great, thanks to all
[15:15] <sno> http://i.imgur.com/zxr8g.png thats the pic , notice how resize is gray'd out
[15:16] <sno> same happens for the ntfs partition(s)
[15:16] <arand> sno: odd, and no change if you swapoff?
[15:18] <alieno> about http://imagebin.ca/view/2luZZSu.html   . do you think is it too much for a bug report? :)
[15:18] <arand> sno: and no further clues if you check out information for the partition
[15:18] <KB1JWQ> alieno: Hold.
[15:18] <KB1JWQ> alieno: I just show an icon?
[15:18] <sno> aha that was it arand , great thanks
[15:18] <sno> turned off swap, resize option is available :)
[15:19] <alieno> KB1JWQ, yeah, is an icon in the indicator applet
[15:19] <alieno> KB1JWQ, but I think is confusing because I've already got a bluetooth icon and most important, the new icon is not interactive in any way
[15:20] <KB1JWQ> Oh, I don't want to file a bug report until I'm sure it actually is a bug, but I can't seem to remove the Universal Access Preferences indicator from the top bar.
[15:20] <arand> sno: hmm, that might be eligable for a bug report if there aren't one already... There should at least be an informative warning that swap locks gparted functions...
[15:20] <sno> arand: intersting, i honestly don't know if this happened in earliler versions, will try 9.10 live image and see
[15:21] <alieno> KB1JWQ, sure no rush
[15:21] <Pici> KB1JWQ: I believe  theres an option in System>Preferences>Preffered Applications that has to do with accessability, perhaps that might do it? I'm just guessing here.
[15:21] <arand> sno: I know swap inside an extended partition will show the same behaviour, but apparently the master container of the primary four acts similarly, it seems..
[15:22] <KB1JWQ> Pici: Yeah, I'm checking launchpad to see if anyone else has reported it, as a starting point.
[15:22] <sno> guess it would be understandable if using extended partitions, but im not so *shrug*
[15:22] <KB1JWQ> Pici: Mind if I PM you?
[15:22] <Pici> KB1JWQ: go ahead.
[15:22] <KB1JWQ> (Unrelated to the issue)
[15:23] <Pici> (its still okay)
[15:23]  * arand is off
[15:25] <deanus> Is fglrx available/installable yet?
[15:29] <Dr_Willis_> ive heard mention that it is.. but ive no idea
[15:31] <ZykoticK9> deanus, you might want to check the status/comments in bug #494699 and see what people are saying there
[15:31] <Imperion> help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1436138 (3D rendering abysmally slow)
[15:31] <KB1JWQ> FOund the solution to my question.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6383300 solved it, but that was extremely un-intuitive.  Is it worth filing a bug report for?
[15:36] <deanus> trying the amd64 fglrx debs now.
[15:38] <deanus> dont know why I need lib32gcc1 libc6-i386  tho...oh well i`ll go along with it
[15:40] <deanus> cool, it installed/built..  ATI Fire GL appears in hardware drivers.
[15:41] <deanus> here goes...
[15:48] <deanus> it works.
[15:48] <deanus> had to do aticonfig --initial before desktop effects could be enabled,
[15:49] <deanus> or use CCC
[15:49] <deanus> it boots up using a low res splash screen tho..
[15:50] <plitter> is there a way to update alpha 3 to beta 1?
[15:51] <BUGabundo_remote> plitter: sure
[15:51] <BUGabundo_remote> run you fav apt interface
[15:51] <BUGabundo_remote> its that easy
[15:51] <BUGabundo_remote> actually I'm wrong
[15:51] <BUGabundo_remote> you can't get Beta1... we are past it now.
[15:51] <plitter> we are?
[15:51] <plitter> no we aint, i just downloaded it
[15:51] <BUGabundo_remote> plitter: I would go with : $ sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[15:52] <BUGabundo_remote> or update-manager
[15:52] <BUGabundo_remote> plitter: B1 is 5 days old... trust me
[15:52] <BUGabundo_remote> you already have a bunch of updates after it
[15:52] <BUGabundo_remote> tip: zsync to a daily image, when ever you want to get a newer test iso
[15:53] <ZykoticK9> plitter, "best1" is just a point in time, there have been updates - so now it's past, examples of this are in Update Manager as well as new Daily ISOs
[15:53] <Pici> *beta1
[15:55] <plitter> not exactly sure what u meant but doing the upgrade with the commands now:)
[15:55] <Pici> sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[15:56] <BUGabundo_remote> Pici: nothing is requiring full-upgrade
[15:57] <Pici> BUGabundo_remote: I always do it anyway.
[15:57] <BUGabundo_remote> and running it without being sure of the consequeces can do more evil then good
[15:57] <BUGabundo_remote> oh me too
[15:57] <BUGabundo_remote> I just don't accept the changes
[15:57] <BUGabundo_remote> I just want to know what they are
[15:57] <ZykoticK9> Fresh install from beta1 (Mythbuntu) cd, now fully updated - Nvidia 6150 (onboard) video fails to start X - tried with no xorg.conf as well as nvidia-settings xorg.conf = same result.  Nvidia-xorg, X log at http://pastebin.com/6f4CiBSj -- without xorg.conf at http://pastebin.com/0S5cA6ip
[15:57] <BUGabundo_remote> alias aptitudeupgrade='sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade ; sudo aptitude full-upgrade'
[15:58] <technoviking> ZykoticK9: same here
[15:58] <ZykoticK9> technoviking, same gfx card?  same Mythbuntu?
[15:59] <technoviking> nvidia card with Ubuntu
[15:59] <technoviking> keeps going to safe graphic mode
[15:59] <ZykoticK9> technoviking, on my other nvidia system it is working fine (from alpha2 install mind you)
[16:00] <technoviking> will work with 173 driver, but crappy video output
[16:02] <flodine> can someone tell me why lucid is working my hard drive when im doing nothing.
[16:03] <CalmvsKhaos> In Ubuntu having issue Does anyone know of a work around for alt-sysRq-k or even REISUB doesnt do anything? Ive searched google no luck :(
[16:04] <flodine> anyone else running a t42p with lucid and after install harddrive still working.
[16:04] <gnomefreak> flodine: does it happen when you restart?
[16:05]  * gnomefreak thinks its hardware profiling that is causing it
[16:05] <flodine> yes sir and im not doing anything
[16:05] <ZykoticK9> flodine, try running "top" and see what's using memory/cpu that could be accessing your HD
[16:06] <abhi_nav> wll you recommend me to use beta 10.04 and upgrade it to final 10.04? I want it for day to day use. I want stable version. But cant wait one month. Or should I now Install 9.10 and when final 10.04 comes upgrade to it?
[16:06] <gnomefreak> abhi_nav: use 9.10 until 10.04 is stable
[16:06] <ZykoticK9> abhi_nav, if "stable" is your main concern - then wait till final
[16:06] <gnomefreak> best ^^^
[16:06] <Pici> Lord-Rahl: On a terminal, you can use: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[16:06] <abhi_nav> but how to know that when 10.04 becomes stable?
[16:07] <gnomefreak> abhi_nav: in april of 2010
[16:07] <Lord-Rahl> How can I do a inplace upgrade from 9.10 kubuntu to kubuntu 10.4
[16:07] <Traveler7> is it beta or RC?
[16:07] <gnomefreak> Lord-Rahl: kde has an update manager of some sort i thought
[16:07] <gnomefreak> Traveler7: beta1
[16:07] <abhi_nav> gnomefreak: can i do like, e.g. have beta and accept whatever it performance, because just matter of one month, and then upgrade?
[16:08] <abhi_nav> ZykoticK9^^
[16:08] <gnomefreak> abhi_nav: there is still breakage so if everyday use i would not upgrade until final
[16:08] <Pici> Lord-Rahl: Did you see my reply, I answered before you asked.
[16:08] <Traveler7> any major bugs
[16:08] <Lord-Rahl> pici
[16:08] <BluesKaj> Lord-Rahl, you can do the command to upgrade in the terminal once the final stable release is issued
[16:08] <Lord-Rahl> Pici: yup thanks that worked :)
[16:08] <abhi_nav> gnomefreak: but then upgradation from 9.10 to 10.04 wll have its own new bugs?
[16:09] <Pici> Lord-Rahl: Great :)
[16:09] <gnomefreak> Traveler7: we can not accuratly answer that question
[16:09] <Traveler7> gnomefreak :) where can i take the beta but netbook remix
[16:09] <gnomefreak> abhi_nav: a system is never without bugs but the worst of them are normally fixed by release. since it is a LTS its best to wait
[16:10] <gnomefreak> Traveler7: i dont understand what you mean
[16:10] <gnomefreak> upgrade == beta1
[16:10] <gnomefreak> doesnt much matter what you are running
[16:10] <Traveler7> gnomefreak i need ubuntu for the 9" netbooks
[16:10] <Lord-Rahl> Pici: I search for two day for that command on the web.:)
[16:10] <abhi_nav> gnomefreak: so what should I do? 1. Wait for 10.04 and then fresh clean install of 10.04 or 2. Now Install 9.10 and when 10.04 comes upgrade to it? which one?
[16:11] <BluesKaj> Lord-Rahl, or you can upgrade from 9.10 with the command sudo do-release-upgrade -d , if you want to upgrade to 10.04 before it's officially released
[16:11] <gnomefreak> abhi_nav: upgrade when 10.04 is stable
[16:11] <abhi_nav> gnomefreak: ok thanx
[16:11] <Pici> BluesKaj: I assume thats what he was asking.
[16:11] <abhi_nav> ZykoticK9 and gnomefreak: thank you!
[16:11] <gnomefreak> Traveler7: IIRC there is a netboot remix
[16:11] <Lord-Rahl> BluesKaj: yep thanks i good now :)
[16:11] <gnomefreak> abhi_nav: np
[16:12] <abhi_nav> :)
[16:12] <Traveler7> hmm
[16:12] <ZykoticK9> gnomefreak, you mean "netbook edition" ;) it was renamed
[16:12] <gnomefreak> oh
[16:12] <gnomefreak> yeah that than :)
[16:13] <gnomefreak> im not seeing it on daily site
[16:13] <Lord-Rahl> is it true that in this release xorg does not have a xorg.conf file?
[16:14] <gnomefreak> Lord-Rahl: correct
[16:15] <Lord-Rahl> gnomefreak: do you know if ati and nvidia have drivers release for this new vrs? i have both desktop and laptop
[16:15] <gnomefreak> vrs?
[16:16] <CalmvsKhaos> In Ubuntu having issue Does anyone know of a work around for alt-sysRq-k or even REISUB doesnt do anything? Ive searched google no luck :(
[16:16] <Lord-Rahl> gnomefreak: I mean no xorg file bot write one as you know
[16:17] <gnomefreak> Lord-Rahl: you mean that ther eis a file that replaced it?
[16:17] <ZykoticK9> Lord-Rahl, the xorg not being present happened in Kamic first.  there is nvidia drivers.  ati i'm not sure, see bug #494699
[16:18] <lorenz__> hi guys
[16:18] <lorenz__> I'm having an issue with empathy - I cannot sign on anymore
[16:18] <BluesKaj> Lord-Rahl, after installing the nvidi-current driver for your card , do sudo nvidi-xconfig and that command will write new xorg.conf file for the setup
[16:18] <jmcantrell> is ubuntu one optional in lucid?
[16:18] <BluesKaj> err nvidia
[16:18] <lorenz__> more specifially, I cannot set my status to anything via the MeMenu (I thnk that is what it is called)
[16:19] <lorenz__> am I missing a package or something?
[16:20] <lorenz__> am I alone here?
[16:20] <jmcantrell> the weather on the clock applet is not showing? is there anything i can do to force a refresh or something?
[16:20] <Lord-Rahl> BluesKaj: Thanks I was not sure if Xorg would read a file if present. This confirms my thought it would
[16:20] <jmcantrell> lorenz__: just use pidgin
[16:21] <lorenz__> that's not really the solution I was hoping for, jmcantrell
[16:21] <tgpraveen12> lorenz__: me menu is for twitter and other broadcast accounts
[16:21] <jmcantrell> empathy blows
[16:21] <ZykoticK9> lorenz__, when you click on the "me menu" is everything grey?  is empathy running and are you signed into some networks?
[16:21] <tgpraveen12> not to set chat status
[16:21] <lorenz__> Zykotick9: right, everything is grey - empathy is running and I'm not signed in to any network (it says I'm set to offline)
[16:21] <tgpraveen12> lorenz__: the status msg cant be seet. but available/busy can be set
[16:22] <lorenz__> it's greyed out for me
[16:22] <tgpraveen12> lorenz__: use gwibber to configure an account and it wont be greyed out
[16:22] <ZykoticK9> lorenz__, in empathy sign into something - then it will be ungreyed in me menu
[16:22] <tgpraveen12> use broadcast in messaging indicator
[16:22] <lorenz__> but how can I sign in to something in empathy? there is no "connect" button or anything, is there?
[16:22] <lorenz__> I have set up several gwibber accounts, but they won't sign in either
[16:23] <ZykoticK9> lorenz__, i use pidgin instead for im so i can't help with empathy - but once you getting empathy straight i'm guessing me menu will work
[16:23] <lorenz__> sorr,y actually gwibber is online and working (facebook feed)
[16:24] <dabaR> Wow, moved the window manipulation icons.
[16:24] <BluesKaj> Lord-Rahl, if you do a clean install , then the nvidia-current driver should install from the kernel source and you should be fine.
[16:24] <dabaR> !mac-style
[16:25] <dabaR> Any links to places talking about that?
[16:25] <lorenz__> foudn the setting to go online in empathy, but it won't sign in...
[16:25] <ZykoticK9> dabaR, http://www.workswithu.com/2010/03/16/why-window-button-placement-doesnt-matter/
[16:26] <lorenz__> ah, if anyone cares: I had to disable and re-enable the accounts im empathy to get it working
[16:27] <ZykoticK9> lorenz__, and does the me menu work now?
[16:27] <dabaR> ZykoticK9: thanks very much, great links.
[16:27] <dabaR> link
[16:27] <lorenz__> menu works now, yes
[16:28] <lorenz__> just....no contacts are shown as online...this is weird
[16:28] <Lin> where can I get a howto to upgrade 9.10 to 10.04?
[16:29] <guntbert> Lin: remember 10.4 is still beta
[16:30] <Lin> guntbert, remembered =D
[16:31] <guntbert> Lin: so "upgrade " may not be the correct word ... :-)
[16:31] <Lin> guntbert, im just asking cause do-release-upgrade -d isnt working.
[16:31] <Lin> guntbert, I will do the old fashioned way, open /etc/apt/sources.list ;-)
[16:31] <guntbert> Lin: sorry I never did this in the beta state - so no hints from me
[16:31] <ZykoticK9> Lin, are you using KDE by chance?
[16:32] <Lin> ZykoticK9, no
[16:32] <gnomefreak> Lin: run update-manager -d
[16:32] <ZykoticK9> Lin, ok just checking
[16:32] <gnomefreak> that should do it
[16:32] <Lin> ok.. trying now =D only 12 files to update ;-)
[16:33] <Lin> i cannot call it a complete update to 10.04
[16:33] <lorenz__> well, I feel there are not too many empathy lovers on here
[16:33] <lorenz__> thanks for the help anyway, I'll figure out what the problem is...
[16:33] <Lin> not many. I really dont care =D
[16:33] <gnomefreak> may have to update packages before the upgrade to 10.04
[16:33] <Lin> both work to me
[16:33] <Lin> but i didnt like that consolidations on a single icon
[16:33] <gnomefreak> Lin: when you can upgrade you will see a button to press for dist upgrade
[16:34] <BluesKaj> Lin, sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[16:35] <Lin> BluesKaj, Checking for a new ubuntu release
[16:35] <Lin> No new release found
[16:36] <gnomefreak> Lin: does lsb_release -a tell you that you are on lucid or karmic
[16:36] <BluesKaj> Lin, odd then you must have it already, what does lsb_release -a say ?
[16:36] <gnomefreak> :)
[16:36] <Lin> Codename:	karmic
[16:36] <dabaR> Also the http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1 shows how to test the beta
[16:37] <dabaR> BluesKaj: Are you from ex-Yugoslavia by any chance?
[16:37] <BluesKaj> dabaR, nope, Canada
[16:38] <dabaR> BluesKaj: I live in Canada too. I just thought because of your nick. What's the story with the nick?
[16:39] <guntbert> !ot | dabaR
[16:39] <BluesKaj> dabaR, Kaj is my first name , rhymes with sky , and I play drums in a blues/rock band , hence the nick :)
[16:40] <dabaR> BluesKaj: cool.
[16:40] <BluesKaj> dabaR, i'm near Sudbury ON, where are you ?
[16:41] <gnomefreak> who was it with the ati bug? i found the bug report for it
[16:41] <dabaR> BluesKaj: In Winnipeg Manitoba.
[16:42] <dabaR> Well, there is only one winnipeg, probably.
[16:42] <BluesKaj> yup, been there a few times ,,spent asummer in the Whiteshell , Lac Du Bonnet...long ago :)
[16:45] <jmcantrell> how do i turn off the sound when the login screen appears?
[16:47] <JoshuaL> im having troubles with wpa2 enterprise connections
[16:48] <Lin> even after a apt-get-update; update-manager -d ; do-release-upgrade -d (returns No new releas found).
[16:48] <JoshuaL> i can connect fine but the connection is instable, altough it does appear to be connected
[16:48] <Lin> lsb_release -a returns karmic, how can I upgrade to 10.04?
[16:49] <BluesKaj> lin have you updated your sources.list ?
[16:50] <Lin> not yet. I will update now and do a old fashined dist-upgrade ;-)
[16:51] <rye> Lin, doublecheck the sources list, possibly some older upgrade failed leaving you with lucid deb links?
[16:52] <BluesKaj> Lin, run this : sudo aptitude install update-manager-core
[16:52] <Lin> BluesKaj, i did already =D
[16:52] <Lin> now im running with sources pointing to lucid repos.
[16:52] <Lin> will run a upgrade now
[16:52] <gnomefreak> Lin: comment out any extrea repos you have
[16:53] <Lin> i did
[16:53] <BluesKaj> Lin, then run this sudo sed -i 's/karmic/lucid/g' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[16:53] <gnomefreak> k
[16:53] <Lin> lol. Im asking because i have tried everything =D
[16:53] <gnomefreak> not everything :)
[16:53] <Lin> BluesKaj, this method i know. I do it snce debian 2.0, im trying to do something more ubuntu way =D
[16:53] <Lin> im trying to feel like a regular user.
[16:54] <Lin> ok. regular users dont go to beta
[16:54] <BluesKaj> Lin, it's the same command as debian
[16:54] <Lin> BluesKaj, debian dont have do-release-upgrade
[16:55] <BluesKaj> kubuntu/ubuntu is debian based\
[16:55] <Lin> you mean, use .deb packages. ;-)
[16:55] <BluesKaj> lin did you try the command I posted above , sudo sed -i 's/karmic/lucid/g' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[16:55] <Lin> BluesKaj, this works =D
[16:56] <Lin> 3 hours and 8 minutes left ;-) thank you all!
[16:57] <BluesKaj> lin , I hope it goes well for you :)
[16:57] <Lin> BluesKaj, if dont.. I can handle ;-)
[16:59] <FFForever> anyone notice xorg flickers for a second every now and then on the lower half of the screen
[17:02] <Lord-Rahl> I choose the wrong boot drive in grub when doing the upgrade. what is the command so I may reselect the right one grub-update?
[17:03] <technoviking> Is anyone experiencing this bug and can confirm? https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/532436
[17:07] <devurandom> Hi!
[17:07] <technoviking> ZykoticK9: try restarting gdm, and see if nvidia loads, maybe the same bug I'm having
[17:07] <ZykoticK9> technoviking, doesn't help here.  Thanks for the suggestion though.
[17:07] <devurandom> Is it possible to install Kubuntu 10.04_beta1 in e.g. german? The install automatically chooses english and no option to for me to choose.
[17:08] <high-rez> I think the boot menu on the dvd lets you select your language...
[17:09] <devurandom> I did that, the livecd desktop is in german already.
[17:10] <high-rez> But the install menus aren't localized?
[17:11] <devurandom> Nope, ubiquity is fully in english.
[17:16] <devurandom> But now it is "downloading language packs"... Does it have to do that for english, too?
[17:17] <Equs> devurandom, apparently yes
[17:17] <BUGabundo_remote> devurandom: no
[17:18] <FFForever> no love for me?
[17:19] <rye> devurandom, yes
[17:19] <devurandom> Is this a vote of the majority? ;)
[17:20] <Equs> well it did for me too
[17:20] <devurandom> But I think I saw some engb packages before, so I guess "yes" is the correct answer. ;)
[17:20] <quentusrex> Anyone here able to help debug a network driver instability issue?
[17:20] <quentusrex> I have had a bug that has lasted since 8.10, and seems to still be in 10.04
[17:20] <quentusrex> It is a known bug, and others have had issues as well
[17:21] <ChogyDan> quentusrex: does it have a bug report?
[17:21] <quentusrex> yes, here : https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/347711
[17:22] <quentusrex> The only way to 'reset' the driver to get access again is to run "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"
[17:22] <quentusrex> and that will last for 'a while' under max network load
[17:22] <quentusrex> then it dies again.
[17:22] <git__> "unable to enumerate USB device" bug is bothering me
[17:22] <git__> occassionally my usb mouse would not work
[17:23] <quentusrex> ChogyDan, I have setup a testing system and I am able to reproduce the issue on demands
[17:23] <quentusrex> demand*
[17:23] <quentusrex> it only takes me about 20-30 minutes to cause the networking to fail.
[17:23] <ChogyDan> quentusrex: have you tried the .33 kernel?
[17:24] <quentusrex> ChogyDan, I have this motherboard: http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Spec.aspx?ClassValue=Motherboard&ProductID=3160&ProductName=GA-P55-UD4P
[17:25] <ChogyDan> quentusrex: btw, I can't really help
[17:25] <ChogyDan> quentusrex: you should post upstream
[17:26] <mikelifeguard> Did the design team make a decision about keeping min/max/close buttons on the left vs right for the final release?
[17:27] <quentusrex> ChogyDan, no I have not tried that kernel
[17:27] <technoviking> My nvidia driver goes into safe mode when I boot into Lucid. restarting gdm will make the nvidia and X load properly. Anyideas what is causing the problem. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/532436
[17:27] <Equs> mikelifeguard,  who knows but there is an easy fix if you install ubuntu tweak
[17:28] <mikelifeguard> Equs: yeah, I have that already. I'm more concerned about what the UI team is doing.
[17:28] <mikelifeguard> On that note, does notify-osd still put the notifications randomly in the middle of your screen?
[17:29] <mc44> mikelifeguard: yes, and yes :p
[17:30] <mikelifeguard> mc44: ohaithar
[17:30] <mikelifeguard> Was their decision to move back to buttons on the right?
[17:30] <mc44> hahaha. No.
[17:30] <jmcantrell> what is the reasoning for moving it to the left? it seems like such a ridiculous and annoying change
[17:30] <mikelifeguard> They must have some nice drugs.
[17:31] <mikelifeguard> jmcantrell: More like pointless - the notify-osd thing is much worse :)
[17:31] <mikelifeguard> When users repeatedly report your feature as a bug, *it isn't a feature, it is a bug*
[17:31] <jmcantrell> mikelifeguard: i don't use notify-osd. where did it place the messages before?
[17:32] <mikelifeguard> in the corner
[17:32] <jmcantrell> ah
[17:32] <mikelifeguard> like any sane notification system would do
[17:32] <mikelifeguard> instead, it is now against the side of the screen, but randomly ... not in the corner, just... weirdly floating in the middle of nowhere about an inch from the top O___x
[17:32] <jmcantrell> is there an ubuntu-like distro that doesn't try to impose stuff like this on its users?
[17:32] <mikelifeguard> jmcantrell: mint is nice
[17:33] <mc44> mikelifeguard: well, to be fair, it's not randomly there, there is a reason (not that I agree with it)
[17:33] <mikelifeguard> even better, notify-osd can't be configured, even though the ui to configure it is still there :D
[17:33] <jmcantrell> mikelifeguard: i saw that. keeping it in mind
[17:33] <tgpraveen12> jmcantrell: u want to use GNOME upstream version it seems.
[17:33] <tgpraveen12> Fedora is good for it i hear though havent used it.
[17:33] <tgpraveen12> if u are an advanced user try arch.
[17:34] <mikelifeguard> mc44: Like I said, they have some nice drugs
[17:34] <ChogyDan> anyone ever use enlightenment?
[17:34] <mikelifeguard> tgpraveen12: That's spelled "you."
[17:34]  * mikelifeguard runs
[17:34] <jmcantrell> tgpraveen12: i just want to use a distro that is as easy to install and configure as ubuntu, but doesn't try to impose stuff like ubuntu
[17:35] <ChogyDan> jmcantrell: that is kinda a catch22, its easy to configure _because_ they make decisions for users before hand
[17:35] <pmatulis> that's right
[17:36] <jmcantrell> ChogyDan: not really. forcing users to use empathy and putting window controls on the left side is an imposition that has nothing to do with simplicity
[17:36] <deanus> "Forcing" ?  not really..
[17:37] <jmcantrell> deanus: forcing is probably a bit much, but they're definitely imposing it
[17:37] <mikelifeguard> It isn't about forcing anything on anyone. It is about making good UI design decisions. Canonical brags about having a world-class UI team, and in many cases they've done excellent work. But I also find it hard to believe that a world-class UI team would make this kind of error.
[17:37] <deanus> jmcantrell, empathy is there as a default app, like every other app there.. there aint no one preventing you installing pidgin.. so imposing is wrong too
[17:38] <ChogyDan> jmcantrell: empathy was a decision made by gnome, right?  (I still use pidgin btw)
[17:38] <tgpraveen12> ChogyDan: yes
[17:38] <mikelifeguard> Luckily it isn't my money being wasted on paying for the bad decisions, it is just my time in dealing with them.
[17:38] <deanus> network-manager is the default, i use wicd, go figure
[17:39] <jmcantrell> you're free to disagree. i still see it as an imposition
[17:44] <BluesKaj> deanus, jmcan
[17:44] <deanus> I really dont see what all the fuss is about.. you dont like something, you change it.  Thats always been the way with linux
[17:44] <BluesKaj> wicd is solid , nm is flaky ...that's my experience
[17:46] <jmcantrell> it seems that they are not giving us sane defaults to start with
[17:46] <JoshuaL> im having problems with wpa2 enterprise, i already reported the bug a few months ago¸and there it is still marked as new
[17:46] <yofel> JoshuaL: which bug?
[17:46] <Saviq> hi all, trying to get a xubuntu 10.4b1 alternate install onto a usb stick, tried unetbootin and dd so far, neither worked... can anyone report any success installing without an optical drive?
[17:47] <JoshuaL> yofel, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/520111
[17:47] <Saviq> I can't get it to boot at all, with unetbootin it shouts about a floppy (sic!) missing
[17:47] <Saviq> with dd it completely ignores the stick and boots from hd
[17:48] <deanus> usb startup creator?
[17:48] <yofel> JoshuaL: hm, do you get any messages in /var/log/messages /var/log/syslog or the output of 'dmesg' when this happens?
[17:48] <kklimonda> Saviq: have you tried usb-creator-gtk ?
[17:49] <deanus> I personally use http://psychoticspoon.blogspot.com/2009/01/booting-multiple-livecds-from-single.html  as I have a large stick and its easy puttin iso`s to.
[17:49] <JoshuaL> yofel,  i have no idea to be honest
[17:49] <Saviq> kklimonda: it will only work from an installed system?
[17:49] <yofel> JoshuaL: oh, and can you plese run 'apport-collect 520111' after this happens to you again so we get a bit more information on the bug to work with? Thx.
[17:49] <Saviq> k, will get a VM running
[17:50] <quentusrex> ChogyDan, post upstream? where?
[17:50] <yofel> JoshuaL: if you just say that it's unstable it could be anything from the applet, n-m itself to the kernel driver that's buggy
[17:50] <BluesKaj> jmcantrell, IMO nm and pulseaudio are examples of apps with a dev's agenda behind them , theynwork for some setps but not nall
[17:51] <JoshuaL> yofel, can i do it now? it happend earlier today when i was at school (and school blocks the ubuntu bug report tool)
[17:51] <mikelifeguard> BluesKaj: You mean world domination? :o
[17:51] <ChogyDan> quentusrex: see the link to the kernel bug?
[17:51] <kklimonda> BluesKaj: they are both examples of the software that have to deal with messy drivers and whose developers decided to do things the right way
[17:51] <yofel> JoshuaL: yes (I think)
[17:51] <BetaClone> Anyone knows why the SpeedLevel and Accel options are removed from xsetwacom in Lucid?
[17:52] <Saviq> kklimonda: will I be able to create a 10.4 installation stick from 9.10 installed?
[17:52] <BetaClone> Or any ideas for where to find more about it? X11 irc channel or is it a Wacom issue?
[17:53] <kklimonda> Saviq: you should be
[17:53] <Saviq> kklimonda: ok thanks, will try
[17:53] <JoshuaL> yofel, To finish authorizing the application identified as apport-collect to access Launchpad on your behalf you should go back to the application window in which you started the process and inform it that you have done your part of the process.
[17:53] <JoshuaL> yofel, nothing happens when that message shows up
[17:54] <msandbu> howdy, anyone know howto install xbmc for lucid?
[17:54] <yofel> JoshuaL: hm, it should open your default browser at that point, does it give you a link?
[17:54] <BluesKaj> kklimonda, nm worked for 24 hrs on this laptop and pulseaudio prevented alsa  from working til I removed it
[17:54] <yofel> JoshuaL: are you using karmic or lucid btw
[17:55] <JoshuaL> yofel, lucid, and yes it opens the browser and asks for permission (which i accept) but after that message nothing happens
[17:55] <yofel> JoshuaL: did you press enter in the terminal?
[17:55] <JoshuaL> yofel, ah i started it via alt+f2 :)
[17:56] <yofel> oh, honestly no idea what happens in that case..., abort it and try again... I guess
[17:56] <JoshuaL> yofel, via terminal it works. ty
[17:56] <kklimonda> BluesKaj: most problems with both pulseaudio and network-manager can be traced back to either misbehaving applications or drivers. not all of them but most. and I know people don't care, just saying how it is.
[17:57] <yofel> JoshuaL: btw, you can run 'ubuntu-bug ... --save <reportfilename>' in a terminal to save a bug report instead of sending it immediately (usefull if you don't have a working connection)
[17:57] <oday> hello everybody
[17:58] <JoshuaL> yofel, a good to know! Thanks
[17:58] <BluesKaj> kklimonda, why nm is still the default is beyond me..there are so many probs with it.
[17:58] <oday> i'd like to ask, can my Howto guide for Karmic get me through Lucid just fine?
[17:58] <yofel> JoshuaL: later just run 'ubuntu-bug <reportfilename>' to send it
[17:58] <oday> because from the exterior, i dont see that big of a difference
[17:58] <JoshuaL> yofel, thanks! Now I have to eat.
[17:59] <oday> and also,  does the Empathy on Lucid or any other distro, use the same port as MSN does?
[17:59] <kklimonda> BluesKaj: because there is no better solution and not all of us are having any problems with it.
[18:00] <BluesKaj> kklimonda, stick around , yo'll ses lots of questions how to get nm to work
[18:00] <BluesKaj> you'll see
[18:00] <oday> anybody? :)
[18:00] <kklimonda> BluesKaj: I do stick around
[18:03] <kklimonda> BluesKaj: what card do you have btw?
[18:03] <ChogyDan> oday: your questions is very generic
[18:03] <ChogyDan> *question
[18:03] <oday> alright
[18:04] <ChogyDan> oday: you will probably just have to try the guide and see
[18:04] <oday> ok
[18:04] <oday> and about MSN and Empathy? do they use the same port?
[18:04] <oday> if for example an ISP has blocked the MSN port, will Empathy not work as well?
[18:04] <BluesKaj> kklimonda, network card ?
[18:05] <kklimonda> BluesKaj: yes
[18:05] <ChogyDan> oday: correct, the apps don't choose the port, it is the IM protocal
[18:05] <oday> i see, right
[18:05] <oday> ok
[18:05] <nightsjammies> I f*cking hate windows, and apple.
[18:05] <nightsjammies> though I like my itouch...
[18:05] <oday> and apache for web server, right?
[18:05] <oday> local web server, to run from 127....
[18:05] <nightsjammies> which I've managed to break..
[18:07] <BluesKaj> kklimonda, atheros AR928X
[18:08] <oday> im trying to find out if i have apache, i used "locate apache", and i only got two files, one in etc called "apache2ctl" and the other in usr called "README.apache2"
[18:08] <oday> i'm sure there would be more output if it were installed, right?
[18:09] <BluesKaj> kklimonda, I'm happy with wicd ..works well
[18:09] <nightsjammies> hey, quick question. does anyone know if it's possible to get rhythmbox to work in karmic like it's working in lynx?
[18:09] <ChogyDan> oday: ya,  you can also try this command: apt-cache policy apache2       and to see if it is running: ps aux | grep apache
[18:11] <kklimonda> nightsjammies: what do you mean?
[18:12] <nightsjammies> well, rhythmbox writes music to my itouch in lucid, but not in karmic. Is there anyway to change that without upgrading right now?
[18:12] <nightsjammies> you know, by installing packages and stuff?
[18:13] <kklimonda> maybe - you could find out what packages have to be updated/installed/replaced and do it
[18:14] <nightsjammies> where would I find that list?
[18:14] <kklimonda> start with checking dependencies of the rhythmbox package
[18:15] <nightsjammies> you mean as in lucid vs. karmic?
[18:15] <kklimonda> yes - but that may not be worth your effor, there is only a month or so before 10.04 release
[18:16] <nightsjammies> well, I've got the beta, but I like karmic
[18:16] <BluesKaj> nightsjammies, lucid seems quite stable atm , take a chance, you might solve yor problem :)
[18:23] <dbristow> I am downloading the 10.04 beta1, any reason why the SHA256SUMs wouldn't match?  I'm getting it from mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu-releases/10.04/
[18:24] <red> b76d1000-b77ef000 r--p 00000000 08:05 1442763    /usr/lib/locale/en_US.utf8/LC_COLLATE
[18:24] <red> Aborted (core dumped)
[18:24] <red> during safe-upgrade
[18:24] <red> what does that mean?
[18:24] <guntbert> dbristow: how did you download? with your browser?
[18:25] <dbristow> No, with lftp.
[18:25] <nightsjammies> no I know that it's mostly stable, but I just like the way that karmic looks
[18:27] <nightsjammies> and the new locations of the minimize/ max/ kill buttons keep messing me up.
[18:28] <guntbert> dbristow: in any case - if the checksums don't match the d/l is broken - try it with wget
[18:28] <dbristow> OK, with wget.
[18:30] <red> The following packages have been kept back: gdc parted udisks
[18:30] <red> kept why?
[18:31] <dbristow> OK, this time I will wget it from releases.ubuntu itself.
[18:31] <ZykoticK9> red, install libparted0 and that will resolve the parted and udisks parts
[18:33] <vish> how do i clear my .xsession-errors?  it seems pretty overloaded with a gedit error loop [~nearly 330mb of error created when i tried to open it in gedit]
[18:35] <vish> which was basically the gedit error looping itself in the .xsession-errors
[18:36] <red> ZykoticK9: it says two packages broken, 1 package to be installed, 2 with conflicts but to be installed and then says "Score is 330"
[18:36] <red> what does the score mean? :D
[18:37] <ZykoticK9> red, i've never heard of "score" before
[18:38] <ZykoticK9> red, from cli i'd try running "sudo apt-get install libparted0"
[18:44] <nightsjammies> okay, could someone please do me a quick favor, and check your dependencies in synaptic for rhytmbox, and then paste the output so that I can compare?
[18:44] <nightsjammies> Please?
[18:45] <red> ZykoticK9: thats what I did and it worked
[18:45] <red> just odd stuff :)
[18:45] <red> and i use aptitude instead of apt-get
[18:45] <BigRedS_> nightsjammies: http://pastebin.com/RSDb9gNa
[18:46] <mikebeecham> can anyone tell me if there's a way to reposition the panel clock, so that the date and time are beside each other, rather than above each other?
[18:46] <red> mikebeecham: only thing I know that works is to reduce size of the panel
[18:46] <nightsjammies> sweet, thanks much BigRedS :)
[18:46] <mikebeecham> red: I tried reducing down to 16pt, but nothing changed
[18:46] <red> oh
[18:47] <mikebeecham> the size of the panel didnt even shrink!
[18:47] <mikebeecham> I'm on 10.04
[18:48] <red> same
[18:48] <red> checked with gconf-editor
[18:48] <red> couldnt find any hidden settings for that either
[18:49] <zniavre> mikebeecham, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/11/gnome-panel-clock-themes.html
[18:51] <vish> mikebeecham: the size of the panel usually lies , it is tied down to the font size
[18:51] <vish> mikebeecham: if you make the fonts smaller , the panel size can be made smaller
[18:51] <claptrap> Ok, so I just did a "Mark All Upgrades" in synaptic and now I can't log in to my Ubuntu install.
[18:52] <red> is there any app for ubuntu that when I drag my mouse to screen corner "X" it would automaticly do something, like lock screen or activate screensaver
[18:52] <yofel> red: doesn't compiz have a plugin for that?
[18:53] <claptrap> And I'm completely locked out now~
[18:53] <mikebeecham> zniavre: thanks for that...I just went through it....and it doesn't work :(
[18:53] <BigRedS_> Since updating to Lucid I've no TTYs bar the one running X. I can ctrl+alt+Fn and switch to a blank screen, though. This is with the vesa driver. I have a damaged Intel Mobile chipset, and when the Intel driver works, I think I had the same problem.
[18:54] <BigRedS_> I did once get another tty, but I can't remember under what conditions. Anyone else had this?
[18:54] <claptrap> Ok, so I just did a "Mark All Upgrades" in synaptic and now I can't log in to my Ubuntu install. I'm completely locked out of my Ubuntu at the moment.
[18:54] <BigRedS_> claptrap: Can you log in through a tty?
[18:54] <yofel> claptrap: when did you do that and do you remember what packages were upgraded?
[18:54]  * BigRedS_ can't exactly remember what 'mark all upgrades' does in synaptic
[18:55] <claptrap> About ten minutes ago, and no. There were a lot; I was trying to get rid of "obsolete packages" so that bug reports could go through.
[18:55] <claptrap> BigRedS_ About ten minutes ago, and no. There were a lot; I was trying to get rid of "obsolete packages" so that bug reports could go through.
[18:56] <BigRedS_> What happens when you try? Or is there just no login prompt? Are you running an ssh server?
[18:56] <tasslehoff> I'm considering karmic->lynx via apt. Is that likely to work atm? No known breakage?
[18:57] <claptrap> BigRedS_: There is a login prompt. I type in my password, screen goes blank and looks like it's going to log in, I hear the little "da dink" sound it goes back to prompt. Wrong password acts like it normally would. Dunno what an ssh server is.
[18:58] <mikebeecham> ha!  discovered the problem
[18:59] <mikebeecham> it's the font I'm using...it doesn't like Myriad Bold
[18:59] <mikebeecham> which is the only one I like!!
[18:59] <red> :p
[18:59] <red> I like Segoe UI
[18:59] <red> (The Windows 7 font)
[19:01] <claptrap> BigRedS_: Any thoughts?
[19:02] <BigRedS_> claptrap: sorry, distracted by my other broken box ;)
[19:03] <claptrap> BigRedS_: Oh dear, lol.
[19:03] <BigRedS_> but nothing comes to mind, really
[19:03] <BigRedS_> haha, the other one's a little more, er, planned
[19:03] <nightsjammies> Has anyone gotten video in rhythmbox to work via: http://code.google.com/p/rhythmbox-videosource/
[19:04] <mikebeecham> nightsjammies: havn't used RB for ages....Banshee is MUCH bette
[19:04] <claptrap> BigRedS_: Any basics I can be run through on something like this? I'm a tad nubly.
[19:04] <kklimonda> heh, as I've been afraid living in "the rest of EU" limits the amount of music I can buy from the store :/
[19:06] <claptrap> BigRedS_: I just tried doing a startx. It's throwing up errors.
[19:06] <nightsjammies> will banshee write to my itouch?
[19:06] <BigRedS_> claptrap: Ah, were you in the terminal so far?
[19:06] <BigRedS_> If you do   grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:06] <claptrap> BigRedS_: No, I just tried that after a bit of Googling. I'm in it now.
[19:07] <BigRedS_> you should see all the actual errors from X, rather than just notes about how it's doing and what it thinks of the weather
[19:07] <claptrap> rofl
[19:08] <claptrap> WW warning, EE rror, NI not implemented, ?? unknown
[19:08] <claptrap> Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
[19:08] <claptrap> And then kicks back to prompt.
[19:09] <BigRedS_> I don't know much about xorg really (i break it lots, but don't pay much attention when fixing), but generally someone else has had whatever errors you're having before
[19:09] <BigRedS_> Though X-related problems shouldn't stop you logging in
[19:09] <BigRedS_> perhaps check /var/log/auth.log (i think)
[19:09] <claptrap> Well
[19:09] <claptrap> I was able to log in just fine in terminal
[19:10] <BigRedS_> ahhh
[19:10] <claptrap> Should I do this
[19:10] <claptrap> dpkg-reconfigure thingy?
[19:10] <BigRedS_> It wont hurt
[19:11] <claptrap> Mmk.
[19:11] <BigRedS_> It basically configures X with a mix of best-guess and your answers to questions
[19:11] <claptrap> Magic cookie not very magic.
[19:11] <claptrap> :E
[19:12] <claptrap> That did uh
[19:12] <claptrap> Absolutely nad.
[19:12] <claptrap> lol
[19:12] <claptrap> nada*
[19:12] <BigRedS_> haha. it's great when that happens
[19:12] <BigRedS_> any answers from googling the logs?
[19:13] <mikebeecham> goodness I love 10.04
[19:13] <claptrap> WW warning, EE rror, NI not implemented, ?? unknown <- This?
[19:13] <BigRedS_> Nah, that's just the key
[19:13] <BigRedS_> you're (currently) only interested in EE lines
[19:13] <BigRedS_> if there are any, in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:14] <claptrap> Oh, the grep command didn't return anything but that.
[19:15] <oday> i have apache now, and ive put the folders and files i want to put in "www"
[19:15] <oday> but when i try to access 127, i get Permission denied
[19:15] <oday> why is that?
[19:15] <BigRedS_> ahhh, then X isn't throwing any errors either
[19:15] <BigRedS_> maybe check /var/log/gdm
[19:15]  * BigRedS_ clutches at straw
[19:15] <BigRedS_> s
[19:16] <git__> mikebeecham, what u love about 10.04?
[19:16] <git__> does suspend/resume work in 10.04?
[19:17] <claptrap> grep that^?
[19:18] <jmcantrell> is there a way to reset the compiz settings to the default?
[19:18] <mikebeecham> git__: I love the new 'feel' to it, but I'm loving some of the new additions.  I'm wondering whether it's worth investigating empathy yet
[19:18] <vish> anyone have a good auto-away plugin for xchat?
[19:19] <git__> mikebeecham, my experience with empathy on 9.10 is subpar
[19:19] <mikebeecham> in fact, the only things I cant do in Ubuntu these days is a) Use photoshop and b) remove drm from my purchased itunes tvshows
[19:19] <TrueSongMedia> Empathy has always disappointed me
[19:19] <git__> mikebeecham, i'm more interested in kvm and suspend/resume of 10.04
[19:19] <markl_> i like pidgin a lot
[19:19] <git__> pidgin = empathy
[19:19] <mikebeecham> git__: the last time I tried it (a while ago) I was less than impressed...I use pidgin
[19:19] <BigRedS_> claptrap: tail it first
[19:19] <TrueSongMedia> No it's not
[19:19] <claptrap> BigRedS_: Eh?
[19:19] <mikebeecham> and no pidgin does not = empathy
[19:19] <BigRedS_> I can't remember the format of it, and don't have gdm on here
[19:20] <BigRedS_> tail /var/log/gdm  < claptrap
[19:20] <TrueSongMedia> git__, Pidgin is a completely different program
[19:20] <mikebeecham> there are simply LOADS of things pidgin can do that empathy cant
[19:20] <BigRedS_> it'll print the last several (20?) lines of the file
[19:20] <TrueSongMedia> which can be installed via apt or the Software directory
[19:20] <BigRedS_> which is normally the bit of the logfile with interesting bits in it
[19:20] <mikebeecham> or I would have jumped to empathy by now
[19:21]  * TrueSongMedia just hopes the button situation is fixed by release
[19:21] <jmcantrell> how can i change the theme used by gdm?
[19:21] <claptrap> Error reading gdm: is a directory
[19:21] <claptrap> Can't CD into it either
[19:22] <TrueSongMedia> You can't. jmcantrell :/ Unfortunately
[19:22] <TrueSongMedia> If you mean the login screen
[19:22] <TrueSongMedia> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/23982/
[19:22] <TrueSongMedia> If you mean the UI theme, that's in Appearance
[19:22] <BigRedS_> claptrap: try sudo cp  ing
[19:22] <BigRedS_> you might need to be root to read the logs
[19:23] <git__> ubuntu one does not seem to work
[19:23] <BigRedS_> though, thinking about it, if X doesn't error, and you have issues loggin in only in X, I'd try creating a new user and seeing if they have those problems
[19:23] <git__> i tried to sync a 35MB zip file, it doesn't do it
[19:23] <arand> jmcantrell: As with Karmic, customization is very limited, https://edge.launchpad.net/~gdm2setup/+archive/gdm2setup has an utility which does the few things that are avialable.
[19:23] <claptrap> Alright, how can I do that?
[19:24] <Jaymac> sweet, music store is up :)
[19:26] <claptrap> Alright, created a new user. Lessee.
[19:29] <Bittarman> hmm.. what would "resuming libgcrypt" at startup imply?
[19:29] <Bittarman> its been happening for a little while now, I figured an update would have gotten rid by now
[19:30] <Jaymac> Bittarman, have you an encrypted home directory?
[19:30] <Bittarman> Jaymac, nope
[19:30] <claptrap> Motherf---
[19:30] <Jaymac> Bittarman, then *shrug* sorry
[19:30] <claptrap> Now it wants to check my hard disks and won't let me skip it
[19:30] <Bittarman> Jaymac, heh, no worries
[19:33] <claptrap> BigRedS_: Still around?
[19:34] <BigRedS_> ish
[19:34] <BigRedS_> Er, you might just have to wait for the fsck if there's no 'skip' option
[19:34] <claptrap> Oh, got past that.
[19:34] <claptrap> But uh
[19:34] <BigRedS_> ah, cool
[19:34] <claptrap> Now it's telling me the PW for the new user is wrong. >> Same password works in terminal, though.
[19:35] <BigRedS_> ah. that's definitely something broken, then
[19:35] <BigRedS_> (not that you hadn't already worked that out)
[19:35] <yofel> claptrap: anything keyboard layout dependent in the PW?
[19:35] <claptrap> I used the numpad? :E
[19:36] <yofel> hm
[19:37] <BigRedS_> try setting a password that's all lower-case letters
[19:37] <BigRedS_> just to eliminate odd keymapping issues and the like
[19:38] <claptrap> Mmk
[19:38] <claptrap> y u haet me ubuntu
[19:38] <claptrap> y
[19:38] <claptrap> Alright, new PW worked. Same problem on the new user, though.
[19:39] <claptrap> Y'know, I'm noticing there's nothing at all in the "sessions" menu at the bottom; ot
[19:39] <claptrap> it's grayed out. Is that relevant?
[19:40] <fabio_> kms+plymouth working there fo u?
[19:41] <claptrap> Dunno what you mean.
[19:41] <fabio_> bootplash
[19:41] <claptrap> Yea, I'm seeing that.
[19:42] <fabio_> kernel modesetting for the video card also
[19:42] <claptrap> Hmm?
[19:42] <fabio_> nvidia or ati?
[19:42] <claptrap> Nvidia
[19:43] <fabio_> please can u try this: dmesg | grep modesetting
[19:44] <blekos> hello, the window buttons (minimize,close,maximize) are on the left. Is that because of 10.4?
[19:44] <blekos> (and on the different order)
[19:44] <claptrap> fabio_: Nothing showed.
[19:44] <fabio_> blekos: you can change that
[19:44] <fabio_> claptrap: dmesg | grep drm
[19:45] <arand> blekos: yes it is.
[19:45] <blekos> i've tried changing the themes, and window borders with no luck
[19:45] <fabio_> i didn't notice because im with kde 4.4
[19:45] <yofel> blekos: it has nothing to do with the theme
[19:46] <fabio_> it's a metacity trick
[19:46] <yofel> blekos: it's a gconf settiing for all themes
[19:46] <claptrap> fabio_: Nothing again.
[19:46] <yofel> blekos: if you really can't live with it there's a way to change it, but how about trying it out for a while?
[19:47] <fabio_> claptrap: ok thank u, it's ok
[19:47] <blekos> well ok (but as you know the power of habit is quite strong-especially if you want to installed for others...)
[19:48] <fabio_> i can't stand gnome
[19:48] <claptrap> It does look like gnome is to blame, from the Googling I'm doing. v.v lol
[19:48] <blekos> fabio:but gnome support alt+shift for changing the keyboard :)
[19:49] <ionte> hi. i'm transferring files between my two not-too-old 500GB hard-drives, and the transfer is really slow. 3-4 MB/s, and decreasing. Any ideas?
[19:49] <claptrap> fabio_: So, any ideas? x.x
[19:49] <fabio_> plymouth is working for you, not for me
[19:50] <fabio_> i wish i had a better card
[19:50] <yofel> blekos: use the gconf command from here to change it if you want https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid/AmbianceMod
[19:50] <fabio_> ionte: we can run a speed test on your hard drive
[19:51] <ionte> fabio_: i've tried with "hdparm -tT and get 109.19 MB/sec on disk reads, on both disks
[19:52] <arand> I'm eagerly awaiting Bug #533758 ...
[19:52] <ZykoticK9> yofel, just as an FYI that particular gconf command is missing the "menu" entry which typically goes before the :
[19:52] <yofel> blekos: and alt+shift for layout change is something you can use in KDE as well, so not exactly a gnome point here ;)
[19:52] <fabio_> ionte: let me try it here
[19:52] <ionte> or wait, 77 MB/sec on the second one, but still ok i think ..
[19:53] <ionte> i'm quite sure this has to do with nautilus
[19:53] <yofel> ZykoticK9: I know, but it's not like I have the correct gconf key just ready for copy and paste here
[19:54] <fabio_> Timing cached reads:   572 MB in  2.00 seconds = 285.92 MB/sec, Timing buffered disk reads:  100 MB in  3.02 seconds =  33.16 MB/sec
[19:54] <fabio_> old laptop
[19:54] <ionte> fabio_: yep, i get about 3500 MB/sec on cached reads
[19:54] <fabio_> i can transfer @10 Mb/sec
[19:54] <ionte> using nautilus?
[19:54] <fabio_> i wish  i had a better hd
[19:55] <fabio_> using dolphin
[19:55] <claptrap> Dolphin >>>>> Nautilus
[19:55] <ionte> funny thing, it's faster to copy files on the same HD than between HD:s
[19:56] <ionte> dolphin = KDE's nautilus?
[19:56] <Bittarman> ionte, thats because the file is not actually copied usually in that case
[19:57] <fabio_> ionte: kde konquerora replacement
[19:57] <Bittarman> the file is simply allocated elsewhere
[19:57] <ionte> Bittarman: if it's 4.4G it probably is
[19:57] <ionte> Bittarman: i'm copying, not moving.
[19:57] <Bittarman> oh, copying.. sry
[19:57] <Bittarman> its been a long day!
[19:58] <claptrap> fabio_: So no idea what I can do? :( I can't get into my Ubuntu at all.
[19:58] <fabio_> claptrap: sorry i din't know u had a problem
[19:58] <claptrap> fabio_: Oh. I can't login.
[19:58] <fabio_> no lucid there?
[19:59] <claptrap> fabio_: It keeps looping.
[19:59] <fabio_> about gdm?
[19:59] <fabio_> Or X crashing?
[20:00] <claptrap> fabio_: Not sure. I type in my password, it goes black then comes back to login.
[20:00] <fabio_> claptrap: your talking about the gdm login?
[20:01] <ivze> Good day! I am trying to install ath_pci from source. Module is loaded, but no network interfaces appear. Am I doing anything wrong?
[20:01] <claptrap> fabio_: I guess? The login that comes after bootsplash.
[20:01] <ivze> (this used to work in 9.10)
[20:01] <ionte> hm, i'm now copying files between HD:s using the midnight commander (console app), and i get somewhat faster rates, but still about 5 MB/s .. way too slow ..
[20:02] <fabio_> claptrap: you can start your ubuntu in recovery mode
[20:03] <fabio_> when  you there you can get kde or just type startx (see what happens next)
[20:04] <fabio_> it has to do with gnome session or X session, but i think it's a gnome issue
[20:04] <claptrap> startx gives me a fatal server error: server is already active for display 0
[20:04] <claptrap> I'ma try reinstalling gnome
[20:04] <fabio_> claptrap: kill the X server
[20:04] <fabio_> stop gdm and try again
[20:05] <claptrap> How I do that/
[20:05] <fabio_> sudo /etc/init.d gdm stop
[20:06] <yofel> actually with upstart you should use 'sudo service gdm stop'
[20:06] <claptrap> . /etc/init.d: command not found
[20:06] <yofel>  /etc/init.d/gdm ;)
[20:06] <claptrap> Alright, sudo service gdm stop got me "gdm stop/waiting"
[20:06] <claptrap> Right thing to see?
[20:07] <claptrap> Ok, I'm seeing... stuff...
[20:08] <claptrap> I had a blue-ish background with some kind of splash screen that I've never seen before
[20:08] <claptrap> Now I have a mouse cursor
[20:08] <claptrap> And nothing else
[20:08] <claptrap> Alt-f2 and things are working, though not in any forms I've ever seeb,
[20:08] <claptrap> seen*
[20:09] <ionte> another problem which i've had since 9.10: grub is very slow to boot. with the new release it's quite funny as the time to boot grub is longer than the time to boot into desktop. :)
[20:09] <fabio_> i'm back,
[20:09] <fabio_> yofel: u are right
[20:09] <fabio_> claptrap: what background?
[20:09] <ionte> grub1 was much faster (instant)
[20:09] <claptrap> fabio_: Black now
[20:10] <fabio_> where are you now?
[20:10] <claptrap> Totally black screen with a cursor
[20:11] <fabio_> ionte: because you got a hell of pc
[20:11] <fabio_> grub is slow, but ubuntu loading is slower
[20:11] <bullgard> [Ubuntu 9.10] Update Manager shows: "Release upgrade > Show new distribution releases > Normal releases." How can I upgrade to Ubuntu 10.04 Beta?
[20:12] <yofel> bullgard: run 'update-manager -d' it should show lucid then
[20:12] <yofel> (with sudo/gksu)
[20:13] <claptrap> fabio_: So where do I go from here? x.x
[20:13] <fabio_> claptrap: where are you
[20:13] <claptrap> Totally black screen with a cursor.
[20:13] <fabio_> do you some gnome stuff there
[20:14] <claptrap> No.
[20:14] <claptrap> I got one error message about my soundcard (like always)
[20:14] <claptrap> And alt-f2 brings up a little command thingy at the top
[20:14] <claptrap> Doesn't look like gnome at all
[20:14] <fabio_> can you run nautilus?
[20:15] <claptrap> Yes.
[20:15] <fabio_> so the graphic card is ok?
[20:15] <fabio_> still no background?
[20:15] <claptrap> Seems so, and still no bg.
[20:16] <claptrap> It ran Dolphin, btw
[20:16] <claptrap> Not Nautilus. :p
[20:16] <fabio_> try with nautilus
[20:16] <claptrap> I typed nautilus and got Dolphin
[20:16] <claptrap> lool
[20:16] <claptrap> Prolly cause I replaced Nautilis as default?
[20:16] <ubuntujenkins> Does anyone know how to change the live cd user name? I would like to build a custom lucid cd
[20:17] <fabio_> nautilus is responsible of the bacgound
[20:17] <claptrap> Oh lol
[20:17] <fabio_> maybe there is something wrong with te gnome session
[20:17] <claptrap> Well
[20:17] <claptrap> I noticed that the login screen wasn't showing ANYTHING in sessions
[20:17] <fabio_> X is running, gdm can't start a gnome session
[20:18] <fabio_> but ' can't help with gnome or anything
[20:18] <fabio_> start gnome-panel...
[20:19] <ZykoticK9> claptrap, is this a fresh beta1 install?
[20:19] <claptrap> No. Upgraded from Karmic.
[20:19] <claptrap> Alt-f2 isn't doing anything now.
[20:19] <fabio_> claptrap: there missing packages there
[20:19] <blekos> i read that will be support for iphone. Which program should I use?
[20:20] <fabio_> see later
[20:20] <Saviq> guys, trying to get 10.4 onto a level 1 mdraid, having trouble installing grub
[20:20] <claptrap> ... ._.
[20:20] <claptrap> Oooook, so he just kinda left me hanging here. D:
[20:20] <Saviq> grub-probe throws "no mapping exists for `md0'."
[20:20] <bullgard> yofel: Thank you very much for your help. But the prefix "gksu" does not work. Only sudo worked.
[20:20] <yofel> claptrap: when did you last install updates?
[20:21] <abe3k> bullgard, gksudo ?
[20:21] <claptrap> Right before this happened
[20:22] <claptrap> I did a "Mark All Upgrades" in synaptic, rebooted and then this started.
[20:23] <claptrap> yofel: Any thoughts? ._.
[20:24] <yofel> hm, we did have an error with gnome-panel and nautilus but that's supposed to be fixed (see topic)
[20:25] <kklimonda> claptrap: what version of gnome-panel do you have?
[20:25] <claptrap> No idea.
[20:26] <kklimonda> can you check? do apt-cache policy gnome-panel
[20:26] <claptrap> Sure, let me get back to a terminal~
[20:27] <claptrap> 1:<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu3
[20:29] <claptrap> Should I try an apt-get upgrade? Or... ? x.x
[20:29] <abe3k> what problem is claptrap having ?
[20:30] <bullgard> abe3k: I cannot tell you if this works. I already started dist-upgrading.
[20:31] <claptrap> abe3k: I did a "Mark All Upgrades" and rebooted, and I'm stuck in a login loop.
[20:31] <abe3k> bullgard, good luck with that :)
[20:31] <bullgard> abe3k: Thank you. :-)
[20:32] <abe3k> claptrap, as if you type your name and password and you get back to the login screen ?
[20:32] <claptrap> abe3k: Yes.
[20:33] <abe3k> claptrap, this happens on all sessions ?
[20:34] <claptrap> abe3k: My Sessions menu doesn't have anything listed. It's grayed out.
[20:35] <abe3k> claptrap, what happens if you login from the tty ?
[20:35] <claptrap> abe3k: Logs in fine.
[20:35] <abe3k> claptrap, all your files are there ?
[20:35] <claptrap> abe3k: Seem to be, yes.
[20:36] <duanedesign> waltercool: I found out a little more about your <local host> issue you had with Ubuntu One
[20:37] <waltercool> duanedesign, oh, good memory... what was the problem?
[20:38] <claptrap> abe3k: Any ideas? x.x
[20:38] <abe3k> claptrap, I'm trying to figure it out I had a problem almost similar to this once a while ago
[20:38] <claptrap> abe3k: kk!
[20:39] <abe3k> claptrap, you don't have any other users you can login to ?
[20:39] <duanedesign> waltercool: you removed all the computers but the token was still present locally in the keyring
[20:39] <KB1JWQ> Well, that's an interesting report from my host based intrusion detection system...
[20:39] <KB1JWQ> Trojaned version of file '/bin/login' detected. Signature used:
[20:39] <KB1JWQ> 'bash|elite|SucKIT|xlogin|vejeta|porcao|lets_log|sukasuk' (Generic).
[20:39] <KB1JWQ> Claims the same about su.
[20:40] <KB1JWQ> AH, and it's a known issue.
[20:40] <waltercool> duanedesign, so, is a minor bug?
[20:41] <duanedesign> waltercool: the <local machine> entry went away? You have just your machines there that are supposed to be there?
[20:42] <waltercool> duanedesign, i fixed with u1sync...
[20:42] <waltercool> duanedesign, but idk another solution
[20:42] <abe3k> claptrap, I'm not sure if this will work but try the following from the tty, export DISPAY=:0.0 then sudo -u gdm gdmsetup and then goto your tty7
[20:43] <abe3k> its DISPLAY not DISPAY***
[20:43] <duanedesign> waltercool: i was just making sure you were good to go. The devs said you could go to Applications > Accessories > Passwords and Encryption and delete the Token and then opening Ubuntu One should prompt to add computer
[20:44] <duanedesign> waltercool: i think we got there just a little different route :)
[20:44] <claptrap> abe3k, Alright, doing that. Looks like it's throwing up errors, but it appears to still be running.
[20:46] <JoshuaL> is it wise to install prelink in lucid?
[20:46] <waltercool> duanedesign, oh! Ubuntuone token... great
[20:46] <JoshuaL> as in; will it give a performance boost?
[20:46] <waltercool> i see that
[20:46] <claptrap> abe3k: It looks like it's just sitting there? .-.
[20:47] <abe3k> claptrap, the setup dialog didn't appear in tty7 ?
[20:47] <duanedesign> waltercool: great. Wanted to pass along any info i foound out. It was handy I had seen the problem before when it cam up again today
[20:48] <A71KR117> Is Lucid Beta 1 any faster?
[20:48] <BluesKaj> faster than ?
[20:48] <claptrap> abe3k: gdmsetup threw up WARNINGS and DEBUGS and now is just sitting there blinking at me.
[20:48] <BluesKaj> !fast
[20:48] <A71KR117> the Karmic boot time? I have a 8 sec boot!
[20:49] <JoshuaL> A71KR117, SSD?
[20:49] <A71KR117> Nope.
[20:49] <JoshuaL> A71KR117, what kind of HD do you have?
[20:50] <A71KR117> a Segate Barracuda 7200 RPM 250GB
[20:50] <BluesKaj> A71KR117, I guess you'd better not instsll lucid. My bot time is only 15 secs from grub
[20:50] <abe3k> claptrap, and what about tty7 ? can you change the settings from there or not ?
[20:50] <BluesKaj> err boot time
[20:50] <A71KR117> kay, thanks
[20:50] <waltercool> duanedesign, well... how reproduce the bug... remove your ubuntuone account?
[20:50] <claptrap> abe3k: Should I reboot out of this, then?
[20:50] <JoshuaL> A71KR117, i wonder how i can reach 8 seconds boot..
[20:51] <claptrap> abe3k: To try what you're asking? I can't do anything atm
[20:51] <A71KR117> is there any way to customize the GDM in lucid?
[20:51] <abe3k> claptrap, if you're at tty1 then just do a ctrl+c
[20:51] <BluesKaj> A71KR117, you can't be serious ...15 secs usn't fast enough from grub?
[20:51] <claptrap> abe3k: Ah, ok. Then what? Type "tty7?"
[20:52] <anichols> It seems whatever is halting me from installing Lucid's beta is more than just +1 issues.  I tried Karmic a few hours back, with zero luck as well.  So there's a common element there that's going to keep me in Hardy for the forseeable future.  I'm guessing my hardware's crap.
[20:52] <abe3k> claptrap, no no, start it from tty1 then switch to tty7 while its still running
[20:52] <A71KR117> I installed GDM2Setup and I can customize it. Link here: http://bit.ly/a0nkeu
[20:52] <abe3k> claptrap, ctrl+alt+f7
[20:52] <claptrap> abe3k: Oh! ok, sec then
[20:52] <A71KR117> BluesKaj: Guess I'm lucky.
[20:53] <deanus> oo, I just noticed the new animation while wifi is connecting.
[20:54] <anichols> Anyone have any ideas what may be a part of Lucid and Karmic that is not a part of Hardy...so I don't have to walk up version by version...I could just find the most advanced one my laptop will tolerate?
[20:54] <claptrap> abe3k, Ok, I have a login screen settings, with everything greyed out. Unlock button not doing anything. Sorry for shortness and for nubness. )=
[20:54] <A71KR117> does anyone know if ambiance (the new theme) is available for karmic? dont want to upgrade. . . ;)
[20:55] <duanedesign> waltercool: if you remove all your devices from the ubuntuone-preferences
[20:55] <waltercool> yes
[20:55] <waltercool> duanedesign, yes
[20:56] <claptrap> abe3k: Guessing that's not what you wanted to hear? :p
[20:56] <A71KR117> Gotta go, must do my book report ;)!
[20:57] <abe3k> claptrap, hmmm, try creating a new user and see if you can login with that
[20:57] <claptrap> abe3k: Tried that one. No good.
[21:00] <abe3k> claptrap, do you by any chance have nvidia drivers installed ?
[21:00] <claptrap> abe3k: I do have an nvidia card, so yea.
[21:00] <abe3k> claptrap, I think it could be from that since xorg has changed in lucid
[21:01] <abe3k> claptrap, try downloading and installing lucid friendly nvidia drivers
[21:01] <claptrap> abe3k: I saw that Googling, but I didn't see any real solutions.
[21:01] <abe3k> claptrap, let me see if I can fetch a link for you
[21:01] <claptrap> abe3k: Alright. Can I do all that from a terminal?
[21:01] <abe3k> claptrap, yea
[21:02] <claptrap> abe3k: Awesome! Again, sorry if I'm being short. Been fighting with this for three hours now. )=
[21:02] <abe3k> claptrap, I know how you feel :)
[21:02] <basix> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532633 What is wrong with the designers?
[21:08] <vish> !currentissues | basix
[21:08] <deanus> ubuntu one just doesnt work, for me....
[21:09] <basix> vish: listenting to user feedback my ***. Look at Mark's post.  Very few. When you make changes that directly affects an end user and when *he* complains, thats when you stop screwing around and listen to him.
[21:11] <sterz> hi
[21:11] <sterz>  i have lucid-partner repo enabled but still cannot install acroread?
[21:11] <vish> nothing in the logs or .xsession-errors .. where do i need to look to file a bug?
[21:11] <sterz> !ping
[21:11] <claptrap> abe3k: Any luck?
[21:11]  * sterz ?
[21:12] <abe3k> claptrap, did you install your earlier drivers manually or from the repositories ?
[21:12] <KB1JWQ> sterz: Why acroread specifically?
[21:12] <KB1JWQ> sterz: evince works wonders here.
[21:13] <orion_SuN> help for vlc !
[21:13] <claptrap> abe3k: Repos.
[21:13] <orion_SuN> !vlc
[21:13] <sterz> KB1JWQ, in some ebooks i cannot click on page references thats why
[21:13] <h00k> So, if I went to the website and de-authorized my computers because they kept asking me to reauthorize every so-often, now in Lucid I can't figure out where to make Ubuntu One reauthorize me.
[21:13]  * vish not interested in debating ;)
[21:14]  * TrueSongMedia doesn't think anyone asked you to?
[21:14] <vish> basix: if you have a complaint , do comment on the bug or the blog
[21:14] <vish> nothing is gonna change by debating here
[21:15] <TrueSongMedia> Although, I happen to agree that the left-side WM buttons is a stupid stupid move
[21:15] <sterz> TrueSongMedia, agreed 100%
[21:15] <sterz> !acroread
[21:16] <abe3k> claptrap, have a look at this http://www.ubunturoot.com/2009/12/how-to-fix-problems-with-xorg-and.html
[21:16] <basix> Its a very dramatic change to the way people fundamentally interact with the "Window". Sure newbies will not have an issue with it but for people who've been using computers for ages or even a little bit will find it very irritating.
[21:17] <claptrap> abe3k: If this works, do you accept donations? :)
[21:18] <abe3k> claptrap, lol lets hope this will fix it
[21:18] <claptrap> abe3k: Is this something that sbackup could've fixed?
[21:20] <TrueSongMedia> Very true, basix
[21:20] <TrueSongMedia> If this isn't fixed by release, I'm jumping to a different distro
[21:20] <orion_SuN> help me ! for vlc  >>>>Depends: vlc-nox but it is not going to be installed
[21:20] <orion_SuN>  Recommends: vlc-plugin-pulse but it is not going to be installed
[21:21] <h00k> Ubuntu One Music Store public beta is now open.
[21:21] <arand> TrueSongMedia: Mint?
[21:21] <TrueSongMedia> are you going through the software center or apt, orion_SuN ?
[21:21] <TrueSongMedia> Perhaps, arand
[21:22] <TrueSongMedia> The developers' arrogance is pushing me away anyway
[21:23] <orion_SuN> TrueSongMedia,  out of nowhere did not want to install :(((
[21:23] <inveratulo> TrueSongMedia: what's that?
[21:23] <arand> TrueSongMedia: That conflict is not really ubuntu-specific though, gnome springs to mind...
[21:23] <basix> TrueSongMedia: Its pointless to jump to a different distro. I think its more important that whoever makes such decisions, should allow for "switching back" to the original way. This adds bloat but its a necessary evil. Gnome developers are notorious when it comes to making decisions for users without actually listening to what the user wants. This decision is kinda like that. It pisses off most of your users, why the
[21:23] <basix>  heck would you want to do that?!
[21:24] <TrueSongMedia> out of nowhere VLC didn't want to install? Are you intending to install VLC, orion_SuN ?
[21:24] <claptrap> abe3k: couldn't find package nvidia-glx-195
[21:24] <TrueSongMedia> arand, it's not a GNOME issue. It's a setting made in Ubuntu by the Ubuntu art team
[21:25] <arand> TrueSongMedia: This single thing, yes, I was speaking in general terms.
[21:25] <claptrap> abe3k: Should this work? http://www.webupd8.org/2009/08/how-to-install-nvidia-190xx-drivers-in.html
[21:26] <ZykoticK9> h00k, music store looks pretty cool, any idea how to change the price from pounds to dollars?
[21:26] <TrueSongMedia> orion_SuN, if nothing else, try running "sudo apt-get install (package name)" to install the packages it's missing
[21:26] <h00k> ZykoticK9: no idea, I haven't even seen it yet, still reading :D
[21:26] <MTughan> I just installed 10.04b1 on my laptop which already has F12, and I want to dual-boot it. I've partitioned and installed it, but I didn't install GRUB because I wanted to edit the existing GRUB from Fedora. However, I think it'd be preferable now to install GRUB to the /boot I created and chainloader that.
[21:26] <TrueSongMedia> Gotcha, arand :)
[21:26] <MTughan> Is there a way I can install GRUB to /boot after installation?
[21:27] <arand> MTughan: "man grub-install"
[21:27] <abe3k_> claptrap, sorry my router started to act out on me, so how is it going ?
[21:27] <MTughan> arand: Okay, thanks. Now to figure out how to boot Ubuntu...
[21:27] <TrueSongMedia> basix, I agree that there needs to be a way to switch back. But since it's an Ubuntu dev setting, switching to a different distro solves the problem :) And part of my issue is with the Ubuntu team. Not listening to users is the first step toward a rapid decline.
[21:28] <claptrap> abe3k_: couldn't find package nvidia-glx-195
[21:28] <abe3k_> claptrap, did you add the ppa ?
[21:28] <basix> TrueSongMedia: Its one thing to be innovative and totally different being stupid :/
[21:28] <claptrap> abe3k_: Yea. Trying another guide for it.
[21:28] <TrueSongMedia> Make sure you have the extra software sources enabled in Software Sources
[21:28] <abe3k_> claptrap, kk
[21:28] <TrueSongMedia> Amen, basix
[21:29] <TrueSongMedia> I'm all for innovation, but this is a regression in usability
[21:29] <basix> TrueSongMedia: Its like the devs have not heard of muscle memory =)
[21:29] <TrueSongMedia> heh yeah
[21:30] <orion_SuN> TrueSongMedia,  now before the 9.10 am to 10.04 (after upgrade) and does not want to install vlc Get all ppa and still gives me error
[21:30] <TrueSongMedia> I mean heck, I'm a Mac user much of the time. I'm used to buttons on the left. I know what it should be like. I also use Windows often. Ubuntu is Ubuntu.
[21:30] <TrueSongMedia> It sounds like you have some broken packages / dependencies, orion_SuN
[21:30] <h00k> So, if I went to the website and de-authorized my computers because they kept asking me to reauthorize every so-often, now in Lucid I can't figure out where to make Ubuntu One reauthorize me.  Any ideas?
[21:30] <claptrap> abe3k_: Yeah, it can't find either of those packages. All the guides are giving me the same nonworking info.
[21:31] <TrueSongMedia> try this, orion_SuN: sudo apt-get update
[21:31] <basix> TrueSongMedia: same thing here. I use Mac at work, at home its either Windows or Linux(Ubuntu tbs). This breaks *everything*
[21:31] <TrueSongMedia> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:31] <TrueSongMedia> *orion_SuN ^
[21:31] <arand> TrueSongMedia: Hope for inclusion of patch in Bug #533758 ;)
[21:32] <TrueSongMedia> That would be good, arand :)
[21:32] <basix> orion_SuN: try apt-get -f update
[21:32] <TrueSongMedia> ^ orion_SuN That's better
[21:32] <abe3k_> I'm not sure if the latest nvidia deivers would work with lucid or not
[21:32] <TrueSongMedia> looks for broken stuffs
[21:32] <abe3k_> from nvidia.com
[21:32] <TrueSongMedia> worth a shot, isn't it?
[21:32] <TrueSongMedia> :)
[21:32] <basix> abe3k_: they're broken atm
[21:32] <TrueSongMedia> Ah
[21:33] <TrueSongMedia> Nevermind then
[21:33] <Plagman_> what's broken about them?
[21:33] <Plagman_> the latest driver package should work fine with lucid
[21:33] <basix> Plagman_: Read the Beta 1 release notes.
[21:33] <h00k> Be careful that you're not using the nVidia card that is hurting cards.
[21:33] <h00k> I am using Nouveau and loving it.
[21:34] <TrueSongMedia> hurting cards, h00k ?
[21:34] <claptrap> abe3k_: Uuuuuugh lol
[21:34] <abe3k_> claptrap, hang on
[21:34] <h00k> TrueSongMedia: yes, one of nvidia's drivers was reported to possibly damage/break cards
[21:34] <TrueSongMedia> Oh my.
[21:34] <TrueSongMedia> One for Linux or in general?
[21:34] <basix> Plagman_: I think its just to do with the installer. Not the actual drivers. Not sure though :) But its issue #1 in known issues for beta 1
[21:34] <h00k> TrueSongMedia: in general.
[21:34] <h00k> http://www.pcworld.com/article/191813/nvidia_warns_of_graphics_drivers_with_overheating_risk.html
[21:34] <TrueSongMedia> Wow
[21:35] <abe3k_> overheating was fixed in 195.36.15
[21:35] <basix> h00k: that issue was specifically wrt to Windows drivers.
[21:35] <h00k> basix: orly
[21:35] <Plagman_> works fine here
[21:35] <ZykoticK9> h00k, i was told yesterday that the issue is fixed in most recent 195 driver (if there ever was a linux issue)
[21:35] <TrueSongMedia> Hm. I'd better check on that one. I think I have that version installed in Windows 7
[21:35] <TrueSongMedia> on my Mac
[21:35] <orion_SuN> TrueSongMedia, basix >> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[21:35] <orion_SuN>   vlc: Depends: vlc-nox (= 1.1.0+svn20100322-git8b61de2~webupd8~karmic2) but it is not going to be installed
[21:35] <orion_SuN>        Recommends: vlc-plugin-pulse (= 1.1.0+svn20100322-git8b61de2~webupd8~karmic2) but it is not going to be installed
[21:35] <orion_SuN> E: Broken packages
[21:35] <TrueSongMedia> Hm
[21:35] <basix> ugh.
[21:36] <h00k> ah, alright
[21:36] <orion_SuN> webupd8 ?!?!?!
[21:36] <basix> orion_SuN: please use pastebin next time..
[21:36] <TrueSongMedia> Did you use update and upgrade, orion_SuN ?
[21:36] <TrueSongMedia> (and yes please use pastebin :) )
[21:36] <h00k> orion_SuN: sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade;
[21:36] <h00k> aptitude contains more logic than apt-get
[21:37] <TrueSongMedia> Good call, h00k
[21:37] <claptrap> abe3k_: I feel I should mention I'm running 64 bit. lol.
[21:37] <abe3k_> claptrap, you're using 32 or 64 ?
[21:37] <abe3k_> claptrap, lol
[21:38] <abe3k_> claptrap, ok
[21:38] <claptrap> abe3k_: Timinggggggg
[21:38] <MikeChelen1> how can the chat program (empathy) be shut down?
[21:38] <TrueSongMedia> btw, here's the pastebin link, orion_SuN
[21:38] <TrueSongMedia> pastebin.ubuntu.com
[21:39] <TrueSongMedia> oops: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com
[21:39] <TrueSongMedia> There
[21:39] <BUGabundo> evening friends and not so much
[21:39] <prayii> so running aptitude update is different than apt-get update?
[21:39] <bjsnider> orion_SuN, you're trying to install a karmic build of vlc built against karmic packages on lucid. that will not work
[21:40] <abe3k_> claptrap,type in this command in tty1:   wget http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/195.36.15/NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-195.36.15-pkg2.run
[21:40] <bjsnider> no one should be trying to install the nvidia-installer on lucid
[21:40] <h00k> on lucid, the release notes state the drivers from the nvidia site will not work yet.
[21:41] <bjsnider> if you get it installed it will bork your system
[21:41] <bjsnider> nvidia-current has the 195.36.15 driver
[21:41] <BUGabundo> prayii: well not diferent
[21:41] <ZykoticK9> Fresh install from beta1 (Mythbuntu) cd, now fully updated - Nvidia 6150 (onboard) video fails to start X - tried with no xorg.conf as well as nvidia-settings xorg.conf = same result.  Nvidia-xorg, X log at http://pastebin.com/6f4CiBSj -- without xorg.conf at http://pastebin.com/0S5cA6ip
[21:41] <BUGabundo> both are frontends to APT db
[21:42] <claptrap> abe3k_: It's downloading somethingggggggg
[21:42] <BUGabundo> but aptitude does tend to handle depencies breakage better then apt-get prayii
[21:42] <orion_SuN> bjsnider, and how to fix this problem I want my vlc
[21:42] <bjsnider> orion_SuN, it's in the lucid archive i'm sure
[21:42] <bjsnider> !info vlc lucid
[21:42] <prayii> BUGabundo: i had no idea. thanx.
[21:43] <avar> Some_Person: Here's something for your PPA: In 9.10 the volume up/down notify and other notifies were lower on the screen so as to not go over the window buttons, now they're on top of them again. Make your PPA change that
[21:43] <claptrap> abe3k_: Alright, that's finished downloading.
[21:44] <abe3k_> claptrap, ok, type in this sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` binutils pkg-config build-essential xserver-xorg-dev
[21:44] <h00k> claptrap: on lucid, the release notes state the drivers from the nvidia site will not work yet.
[21:44] <BUGabundo> prayii: and now you know :D
[21:44] <abe3k_> h00k, are you sure ? I've just read its xorg 1.7 compatible
[21:45] <vish> i'm having a weird problem ,the system slows down and everything is slow to react[random]. the mouse pointer has no lag though... earlier i used to SAK/logout of session and return to session and everything would be fine.. ..  now , i seem to have a workaround of sorts.. when i switch to a guest session and return , everything is normal and works fine... anyone heard of such a bug?
[21:45] <h00k> abe3k_: yes, I'm sure: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1#Known%20issues
[21:45] <claptrap> No don't ruin my hopes h00k damnitttttttttttt
[21:46]  * vish is just gonna blame everything on the latest drm :p
[21:46] <h00k> claptrap: it says it right there on the site. :p
[21:46] <claptrap> abe3k_: Well, that last command finished,
[21:47] <abe3k_> claptrap, ok now so a sudo service gdm stop
[21:47] <claptrap> abe3k_: k, did
[21:47] <abe3k_> claptrap, sudo sh NVIDIA-   then press tab for it to complete the line and press enter
[21:47] <rros> I'm having problems with the combination of php5, php-apc and phpmyadmin. In my syslog I get the following errors "ALERT - canary mismatch on efree()"
[21:48] <claptrap> Alright
[21:48] <claptrap> I hit ok on the next screen anddddd
[21:48] <claptrap> "The distribution-provided pre-install script failed! Continue installation anyway?"
[21:49] <claptrap> abe3k_: Yes/no?
[21:49] <bjsnider> no
[21:51] <orion_SuN> bjsnider, TrueSongMedia   fixed is ppa "webupd8" is the culprit thanks ... :)))
[21:51] <TrueSongMedia> Ahhhhhh haha
[21:51] <TrueSongMedia> Well there you have it
[21:51] <TrueSongMedia> ^_^
[21:51] <claptrap> abe3k_: Did you die againnnn?
[21:52] <TrueSongMedia> Glad you fixed orion_SuN
[21:52] <MTughan> arand: Okay, I got Ubuntu booted now, and am looking at the man page for grub-install. It says it installs to /boot/grub of the given partition though, and I just want it to install to /grub, as this partition is being mounted at /boot. Is that what it'll do, or am I missing something?
[21:52] <abe3k_> claptrap, I just want to make sure if it is related to the driver or the packaging
[21:52] <jemark> i justed wanted to install centos in a virtual machine in text mode, cpu usage in virtual machine is about 100% and then after a while 60%, is that normal?
[21:53] <claptrap> abe3k_ Kay!
[21:53] <abe3k_> claptrap, let us goto #nvidia and see what they can provide there
[21:53] <jemark> virtual machine = virtualbox by the way...
[21:54] <claptrap> abe3k_: Alright, I'm in there.
[21:54] <arand> MTughan: So you have the relevant /boot mounted atm?
[21:55] <MTughan> arand: Should be, I'll verify.
[21:55] <MTughan> Yep.
[21:55] <arand> MTughan: so if you go to /boot/grub that's the place you plan to install to?
[21:55] <orion_SuN> TrueSongMedia, Another problem I have with which a Player Signature is placed online tv wmv format
[21:56] <MTughan> arand: That's correct.
[21:56] <basix> MTughan: depends. Tell us your system's config. What hypervisor are you using?
[21:56] <MTughan> basix: Hypervisor? Isn't that related to VMs?
[21:56] <basix> ^^ sorry, i meant jemark
[21:56] <dupondje> czr: so it just works ? :)
[21:57] <arand> MTughan: In that case just runninng the install should put it there, by default it uses "/"  unless you specify --root-directory
[21:57] <claptrap> abe3k_: I guess I'll just go for it? v.v
[21:58] <TrueSongMedia> orion_SuN, with VLC?
[21:58] <abe3k_> claptrap, I don't know wait a moment
[21:58] <claptrap> abe3k_: Mmk.
[21:59] <MTughan> arand: Perfect. Just had the machine crash, although I know it's a hardware issue somewhere because it affects Fedora too.
[21:59] <arand> MTughan: How pleasant.
[21:59] <MTughan> arand: Although trying to run grub-install without any arguments makes it ask for an install_device.
[22:00] <jemark> basix, single core laptop centrino 1.7Ghz, 1Gb RAM, ATI 9700 Mobility
[22:00] <alkisg> Is Intel 82852/855GM ok with xorg in Lucid? Or I'd better keep running Karmic?
[22:00] <arand> MTughan: Yea you need to specify a device for setting up the mbr/vbr.
[22:01] <MTughan> arand: So do I give it the partition for /boot then?
[22:01] <MTughan> I want to leave the MBR as it is right now.
[22:01] <basix> jemark: hm. i would suggest using Xen on sucha a hardware as it can work in para-virtualized mode.
[22:02] <jemark> basix, i see
[22:02] <basix> jemark: I would also think your processor doesn't have VMX
[22:02] <jemark> basix, probably not
[22:02] <basix> jemark: so all in all it is not entirely suitable for running VMs but not entirely unsuitable either.
[22:03] <arand> MTughan: Give it a partition as the argument, or if you care about the vbr of partitions as well, I don't know how to tell is not to install an mbr (there should be a way though ..)
[22:03] <NinoScript> what happens in #ubuntu+2?
[22:04] <jemark> basix, better would be the duo core 2 1.6Ghz laptop, 1 Gb RAM, intel x3100 video that I own
[22:04] <abe3k_> claptrap, install them again just to make sure
[22:04] <abe3k_> claptrap, do a sudo sevice gdm stop
[22:04] <arand> MTughan: It /j #grub
[22:04] <abe3k_> claptrap, then do the sudo sh NVIDIA- blabla
[22:04] <basix> jemark: yep. btw why do you want to use CentOS inside teh VM?
[22:04] <MTughan> arand: Well, I tried giving it a partition. It said "/usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Attempting to install GRUB to a partition instead of the MBR.  This is a BAD idea.." Also said embedding is not possible, and I needed to use blocklists.
[22:04] <MTughan> arand: Ah, thanks.
[22:05] <arand> MTughan: sorry, ignore
[22:05] <MTughan> Oh, heh.
[22:05] <MTughan> Well, I can watch anyway.
[22:05] <jemark> basix, just to play with the commands and compare with debian
[22:05] <arand> MTughan: Well, they likely know more, but it is a rather unpopulated channel though
[22:06] <basix> jemark: ah.
[22:06] <MTughan> arand: I've seen worse.
[22:06] <arand> MTughan: Yea, those messages are as it should be when installing to vbr
[22:06] <claptrap> abe3k_: Alright, I'ma run through the questions with you.
[22:07] <claptrap> abe3k_: Install NVIDIA's 32-bit compatibility OpenGL libraries?
[22:07] <abe3k_> claptrap, yes
[22:08] <jemark> basix, i would do it on the other newer laptop then...
[22:08] <claptrap> abe3k_: Automatically update X configuration files?
[22:08] <abe3k_> claptrap, yes
[22:08] <claptrap> abe3k_ k, it's complete.
[22:08] <basix> jemark: yeah and you can use VirtualBox in that case.
[22:09] <MTughan> arand: So I do want to tell it to use blocklists?
[22:09] <abe3k_> claptrap, do a sudo serivice gdm start
[22:09] <arand> MTughan: Does it ask for confirmation?
[22:09] <jemark> basix, i better make multiboot test laptop of this older laptop later. thanks for the advise
[22:09] <MTughan> arand: No, it quits and asks me to use --force if I want blocklists.
[22:10] <claptrap> abe3k_: Nonblinking little cursor. Looks like it locked up.
[22:10] <abe3k_> claptrap, switch to tty7
[22:10] <arand> MTughan: Ah right, that *should* be ok (*should* as in *playing with partitions should be fine*)
[22:11] <MTughan> Heh.
[22:11] <claptrap> abe3k_: Can't.
[22:12] <MTughan> arand: Maybe there's a simpler way then... Fedora 12 uses GRUB legacy. Is there a way that Ubuntu can append onto the menu by making its own menu.lst?
[22:13] <abe3k_> claptrap, can't or you get a blank screen ?
[22:13] <claptrap> abe3k_: Nothing happens. Keyboard isn't responding at all, to be honest. No numlock or anything.
[22:13] <claptrap> Should I try once more?
[22:14] <arand> MTughan: simply updating grub in fedora ~# update-grub   should pick up ubuntu's kernels and append them to the current grub menu.
[22:14] <abe3k_> claptrap, if it's still not responding try a reboot
[22:14] <arand> MTughan: If things work as they should
[22:14] <MTughan> arand: Even with GRUB Legacy? I thought that was just with GRUB 2.
[22:14] <arand> MTughan: Hmm, at least I think so...
[22:15] <claptrap> abe3k_: Alright, rebooted.
[22:16] <abe3k_> claptrap, loop is still there ?
[22:16] <claptrap> abe3k_: Yep.
[22:16] <NinoScript> is upgrading from karmic the same as installing lucid from the disk?
[22:18] <devurandom> Hi again!
[22:18] <devurandom> How do I change the startup splash screen? That violet thing looks like utter crap...
[22:19] <devurandom> Next think I'll buy is a pink netbook with Swarowskys on it...</irony>
[22:19] <abe3k_> claptrap, what does "startx" give you in tty1 ?
[22:20] <orbisvicis> well, so the 10.04 livecd could not mount /dev/loop0
[22:20] <orbisvicis>  - the squashfs filesystem. any ideas ?
[22:21] <claptrap> abe3k_: Sec, having some keyboard issues.
[22:22] <claptrap> abe3k_: Same as before. Server is already active blabla
[22:24] <abe3k_> claptrap, are you able to login with previous kernels ?
[22:24] <claptrap> abe3k_: ?
[22:24] <abe3k_> claptrap, from the geub menu when you start booting, when you select an earlier kernel
[22:25] <claptrap> abe3k_: I didn't know you could do that.
[22:26] <claptrap> abe3k_: Oooh, is that what the multiple Linux listings sre?
[22:26] <claptrap> are**
[22:26] <bullgard> I just finished dist-upgrading to Ubuntu 10.04 Beta. The Desktop background does not cover the upper  and lower 12% of the screen. Is this a known error?
[22:27] <claptrap> abe3k_: No, still couldn't get in.
[22:29] <abe3k_> claptrap, try sudo ddpkg-reconfigure gdm
[22:29] <abe3k_> claptrap, try sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[22:31] <claptrap> abe3k_: Alright, did that.
[22:31] <claptrap> abe3k_: Back to terminal
[22:31] <abe3k_> claptrap, try relogging in tty7
[22:32] <claptrap> abe3k_: Looped.
[22:33] <abe3k_> claptrap, try doing a sudo nano /etc/gdm/custom.conf
[22:33] <claptrap> abe3k_: Ok, got what looks like an old DOS text editor
[22:34] <abe3k_> claptrap, is there anything in the file ?
[22:34] <claptrap> abe3k_: Nay.
[22:34] <abe3k_> claptrap, heres what mine looks like http://pastebin.com/tcfcdYQN
[22:35] <abe3k_> claptrap, change my name to your user
[22:35] <thieusoai> I can't connect to Yahoo or AIM on Empathy  --- anyone else experiences the same thing ?
[22:36] <claptrap> abe3k_: ALright, did that.
[22:37] <abe3k_> claptrap, ctrl+X then make sure the file is actually /etc/gdm/custom.conf
[22:37] <abe3k_> claptrap, and save it to that
[22:38] <claptrap> abe3k_: Done.
[22:38] <abe3k_> claptrap, sudo service gdm restart
[22:38] <claptrap> abe3k_: Alright, took me to the login screen.
[22:39] <abe3k_> claptrap, login
[22:39] <claptrap> abe3k_: Looped.
[22:40] <abe3k_> claptrap, try changing all the "false" parts in the custom.conf file to "true"
[22:40] <Some_Person> Is the ubuntu one music store open yet (outside of rhythmbox)?
[22:41] <abe3k_> claptrap, without the "brackets
[22:41] <claptrap> abe3k_: And service restart again?
[22:41] <abe3k_> claptrap, yes
[22:42] <nightsjammies> has anyone installed vbox yet?
[22:42] <abe3k_> nightsjammies, I did
[22:42] <nightsjammies> do you have usb support?
[22:43] <claptrap> abe3k_: Uh. Now I'm at the login screen, and... the screen is split up and looks like it's going aroudn the desktop. o_o
[22:43] <claptrap> abe3k_: And it's still looping. lol.
[22:43] <ZykoticK9> nightsjammies, to get USB in VBox i had to do http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/virtualbox#TOC-USB-support-with-Lucid
[22:43] <nightsjammies> abe3k_: actually, ...
[22:44] <abe3k_> nightsjammies, I haven't enabled it yet buddy
[22:44] <nightsjammies> awesome...
[22:44] <nightsjammies> have you installed anything through it yet?
[22:44] <abe3k_> nightsjammies, I have an older image I used to test it
[22:45] <abe3k_> claptrap, I didn't get the part about the splitting
[22:45] <claptrap> abe3k_: Ye, it's hard to explain
[22:45] <nightsjammies> of?
[22:45] <abe3k_> nightsjammies, windows xp
[22:45] <claptrap> abe3k_: Oh, it's wrapping around, there's the term.
[22:45] <nightsjammies> ah, okay...
[22:46] <nightsjammies> That's what I want to do for itunes support
[22:46] <claptrap> abe3k_: What should be the left border is in the middle of my screen now..
[22:46] <rothspec_> This is hard to describe--under 10.04, when I shut down a VM under vmware workstation 7, the host video mode goes "invalid" and the monitor says 'invalid timing' and stops displaying anything.
[22:46] <claptrap> abe3k_: Would it be easier to just do a fresh install? >>
[22:46] <bullgard> I just finished dist-upgrading to Ubuntu 10.04 Beta. The Desktop background does not cover the upper  and lower 12% of the screen. Is this a known error?
[22:47] <abe3k_> claptrap, I'm not sure, depending on how much you have to backup
[22:47] <claptrap> abe3k_: Not a lot, but uh... there's not a net install anywhere for 10.04, is there?
[22:47] <Some_Person> Why does the ubuntu one music store sell songs as mp3s, not a free format?
[22:47] <abe3k_> nightsjammies, I think if you follow what ZykoticK9 said you'll be able to enable the usb
[22:47] <claptrap> abe3k_: I don't have a CD/DVD drive or large USB stick atm.
[22:48] <claptrap> abe3k_: And I don't think I want to do the 9.10 -> 10.04 route again
[22:48] <h00k> Is anyone aware how to re-authenticate my Lucid install with Ubuntu One?
[22:48] <abe3k_> claptrap, I've had a fresh install of it on my eeepc, my desktop is still on  jaunty
[22:48] <abe3k_> claptrap, sorry karmic
[22:48] <claptrap> abe3k_: How'd you do it?
[22:49] <abe3k_> claptrap, flash memory
[22:49] <claptrap> abe3k_: So a USB stick? /=
[22:49] <abe3k_> claptrap, yeap
[22:49] <claptrap> abe3k_: Yea, don't have one bigger than 128 MB.
[22:49] <abe3k_> claptrap, I think I've seen something about a network installation
[22:49] <abe3k_> claptrap, but I never tested it though
[22:49] <nightsjammies> Zy who?
[22:50] <nightsjammies> Ah, nm. I'm sorry. I wasn't paying enough attention, apparently.
[22:51] <abe3k_> claptrap, it would be a shame to give up though :P
[22:51] <claptrap> abe3k_: Got more ideas? If you're willing to keep going, I am. loll.
[22:51] <abe3k_> claptrap, why not!!!1 shift one
[22:52] <claptrap> abe3k_: Any more logs or anything we should be looking at?
[22:52] <abe3k_> claptrap, right now I think it is a gnome problem but I'm not sure
[22:52] <DarkTao> evening
[22:52] <claptrap> abe3k_: Me, too. I was gonna try reinstalling gnome-desktop-environment earlier.
[22:53] <DarkTao> anyone elses 10.04 taking AGES to load gnome-panels?
[22:53] <nightsjammies> okay, next question..anyone else managed to get video working in rhythmbox?
[22:54] <abe3k_> claptrap, you still have that new user you've created ?
[22:55] <ZykoticK9> DarkTao, do you have bootchart installed?  I think it was after installing it that gnome-panels started to take longer to start at boot
[22:55] <DarkTao> ZykoticK9, one sec, i'll check
[22:55] <claptrap> abe3k_: Sure do
[22:55] <h00k> Is anyone aware how to re-authenticate my Lucid install with Ubuntu One?
[22:56] <abe3k_> claptrap, cd to that user's home directory
[22:56] <DarkTao> ZykoticK9, bootchart isnt installed
[22:57] <Ian_Corne> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store/+bug/544617 can anyone confirm?
[22:57] <ZykoticK9> DarkTao, that probably isn't even the cause then, but personally it didn't use to take gnome-panels so long to start and now it does...  I'll pay attention if anyone else makes any suggestions to you and see if it can apply to me as well.  Good luck man.
[22:57] <claptrap> abe3k_: Alright, O
[22:57] <claptrap> abe3k_: Alright, I'm there.
[22:57] <ZykoticK9> Ian_Corne, i see the same thing
[22:57] <Ian_Corne> Ok
[22:58] <ZykoticK9> Ian_Corne, i just "me too" on your bug
[22:58] <holstein> hi all..
[22:59] <Ian_Corne> ok ZykoticK9
[22:59] <holstein> i have a crash detected icon
[22:59] <DarkTao> ZykoticK9, rather strange problem to be honest, fresh install of Alpha 2 was fine, I think it was introduced in alpha 3+
[22:59] <holstein> comes up and says 'nautilus has crashed'
[22:59] <holstein> the reporting fails though
[23:00] <holstein> this sound familiar to anyone?
[23:00] <ZykoticK9> DarkTao, that would be a similar time line for my noticing the problem as well
[23:00] <DarkTao> holstein, is there also a crash with plymouthd?
[23:00] <holstein> no
[23:01] <holstein> i forget the other one that come up too
[23:01] <DarkTao> i receive a nautilus crash after the reporter tells me plymouthd crashed
[23:01] <holstein> but im able to report it
[23:01] <infecto> hello, want to sync my ubuntu today
[23:01] <DarkTao> i assume thats because i'm on nvidia hardware
[23:01] <infecto> some problems? :)
[23:01] <h00k> Is anyone aware how to re-authenticate my Lucid install with Ubuntu One?
[23:01] <abe3k_> claptrap, try renaming these directories .gconf .gconfd .config .gnome2 to something like .gconf_2 ... etc   use the mv command : mv .gconf .gconf_2 ...
[23:03] <ZykoticK9> h00k, does System / Preferences / Ubuntu One - Devices tab help you out?
[23:03] <claptrap> abe3k_: No such file/dir for .gconf.
[23:03] <arand> h00k: if not here, maybe #ubuntuone
[23:04] <abe3k_> claptrap, are you in the user home ? /home/somename/ ?
[23:04] <claptrap> abe3k_: Yea
[23:04] <h00k> ZykoticK9: yeah, that doesn't exist here
[23:04] <abe3k_> claptrap, try an ls .g*
[23:05] <ZykoticK9> h00k, are you using Lucid?
[23:05] <h00k> ZykoticK9: yes
[23:05] <h00k> ZykoticK9: (this is the Lucid support channel ;))
[23:05] <claptrap> abe3k_: None.
[23:05] <ZykoticK9> h00k, are you using Gnome?
[23:05] <h00k> ZykoticK9: yes
[23:05] <claptrap> abe3k_: I got .config
[23:05] <abe3k_> claptrap, what about your user ?
[23:05] <h00k> ZykoticK9: it's a really stock install of Lucid
[23:05] <ZykoticK9> h00k, not sure why you wouldn't have that then, sorry man best of luck.
[23:06] <h00k> ZykoticK9: I'll check in #ubuntuone
[23:07] <claptrap> abe3k_: Yeah, it has them.
[23:09] <Ian_Corne> fiew, this clean install on my ati box is blazingly fast
[23:09] <claptrap> abe3k_: Alright, got it.
[23:11] <claptrap> abe3k_: All mv'd successfully.
[23:12] <abe3k_> claptrap, when you try logging in again, do you get the folders with the original names back ?
[23:15] <claptrap> abe3k_: no.
[23:16] <abe3k_> claptrap, try sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[23:17] <NinoScript> if I ugrade tu lucid, will my themes and stuff stop working? :O
[23:19] <claptrap> abe3k_: It's running.
[23:19] <abe3k_> claptrap, what is ?
[23:19] <claptrap> abe3k_: That command. And it's done.
[23:20] <abe3k_> claptrap, still getting looped ?
[23:20] <claptrap> abe3k_: TTY7 is just a blinking cursor. Reboot/
[23:20] <claptrap> ?
[23:21] <abe3k_> claptrap, no try a sudo service gdm start
[23:22] <claptrap> abe3k_: Job already running?   THANK YOU SDFSFS
[23:25] <abe3k_> claptrap, just remember that your old configurations are still there, if you want everything to look the way they used to be just rename them from the tty1 while gdm is stopped
[23:27] <abe3k_> claptrap, you're welcomed
[23:27] <claptrap> abe3k_: Won't that re-break it? ._.
[23:27] <abe3k_> claptrap, I don't think so
[23:28] <abe3k_> claptrap, just rename the new folders to something like .gconf_3 and move the older _2 ones back in their place
[23:35] <claptrap> abe3k_: Awesome, settings came back. Seriously, give me an address and I'll send money lol
[23:36] <abe3k_> claptrap, lol, no need buddy, I'm glad everything worked out well!!
[23:36] <abe3k_> claptrap, just what if ....
[23:36] <abe3k_> claptrap, what if I thought of it as a desktop issue in the first place lol
[23:37] <abe3k_> claptrap, anyways the time was worth it
[23:37] <claptrap> abe3k_: I know, lol
[23:37] <claptrap> abe3k_: It was easier than we made it. ;D
[23:37] <abe3k_> claptrap, but hey, look on the bright side, yoou have the latest nvidia drivers installed ;)
[23:37] <claptrap> abe3k_: lolol
[23:39] <abe3k_> anyways I'm off for a slice of pepperoni pizza :)
[23:40] <abe3k_> cya guys
[23:40] <nightsjammies> Okay, so I know that I can write songs to my itouch in rhythmbox in lucid, but I can't figure it out in karmic...any ideas?
[23:40] <claptrap> abe3k_: Seeya!
[23:56] <ZykoticK9> nightsjammies, iphone and ipod touch are supported by default in Lucid and not supported by default in karmic - but you should be asking your question in #ubuntu as Lucid is not where you're experiencing the problem.  Good luck (i don't own an iphone/ipod so i have no ideas obviously)
[23:58] <spidoodle> so whats new with this version
[23:58] <OerHeks> boot time
[23:58] <spidoodle> ?
[23:58] <ZykoticK9> spidoodle, see the "new features since ubuntu 9.10" on the download page http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1
[23:59] <spidoodle> thanks