[00:06] <czajkowski> aquarius: got an irc nick for him ?
[00:06] <aquarius> czajkowski, no, that's one of the reasons I was asking :)
[00:07] <AlanBell> aquarius: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1409/detail/
[00:07] <czajkowski> aquarius: https://launchpad.net/~mario-kemper
[00:07] <czajkowski> might be helpful
[00:07]  * AlanBell wasn't the least bit helpful
[00:07] <aquarius> AlanBell, am out of the country :(
[00:07] <AlanBell> oh noes
[00:07] <aquarius> czajkowski, yeah, it doesn't list irc :(
[00:08] <aquarius> Have submitted a launchpad answers question. Bah.
[00:08] <czajkowski> try romario
[00:08] <czajkowski> aquarius: http://shutter-project.org/contact/  or https://plus.google.com/103066453717145238737/posts
[00:09] <aquarius> I did; no such person, but I don't know whether that's because he's not onlnie right now or whether he just doesn't hang out :)
[00:09] <aquarius> czajkowski, yeah -- that's why i did the LP answers thing, since that's where they ask for questions to be sent. I'm just impatient :)
[00:09] <czajkowski> you
[00:09] <czajkowski> never
[00:09] <czajkowski> surely not
[00:09] <czajkowski> :p
[00:10] <aquarius> :)
[00:11] <czajkowski> right sleep time before I kill someone tomorrow
[00:11] <czajkowski> nn folks
[00:12] <aquarius> marsilainen, you can set it, but it's complex and dangerous. Install CompizConfig Settings Manager, and then go to General options > Desktop Size
[00:12] <aquarius> marsilainen, beware: CCSM may break your machine into a hundred pieces. If you're not confident with it, don't use it. :)
[00:19] <aquarius> and Kemper answers my question! blimey, that's service.
[00:19] <aquarius> however, the answer is: "run the latest shutter" :(
[00:20] <monsterwizard> Would  I be able to write script that gets permissions of a share point and propagate them through tools subfolders?
[00:20] <aquarius> and gnome-screenshot doen't support interactively choosing a window :(
[00:21] <aquarius> monsterwizard, what's "a share point", here?
[00:21] <marsilainen> aquarius: ok, thanks for the info... guess I'll leave it
[00:21] <monsterwizard> what can it be?
[00:21] <AlanBell> aquarius: what do you mean by interactively choosing a window?
[00:21] <marsilainen> is there any plan to make it more "available" in later releases?
[00:21] <marsilainen> kind of feels like I've taken a step back...
[00:22] <aquarius> marsilainen, I believe there are plans to make the number of workspaces more configurable, yes
[00:22] <marsilainen> 4 virtual desktops is not what I'm used to... I usually had 10 in gnome...
[00:22] <aquarius> monsterwizard, I'm not sure what you mean by "share point": perhaps you can explain in more detail?
[00:23] <monsterwizard> aquarius can I get back to you? There's a debate on this atm, sorry
[00:23] <aquarius> AlanBell, try "shutter -w"
[00:23] <aquarius> monsterwizard, no problem
[00:23] <aquarius> AlanBell, you'll see (if you have shutter) that you get to mouse around adn have windows highlighted until you pick one to screenshot. that's excellent. gnome-screenshot doesn't let you do that, afaict
[00:24] <AlanBell> gnome-screenshot -i
[00:24] <aquarius> ya. that gives you the options dialog.
[00:24] <aquarius> Hm. Have had a thought.
[00:25] <AlanBell> grab current window, delay 10 seconds, take screenshot, go hunting
[00:25] <AlanBell> 15 seconds if you are using the unity alt-tab switcher
[00:26] <aquarius> maybe this should be the flow: you click in my app, it says "launching <yourapp>...", then "click in <your app>'s window..." and then, when the focus leaves my window, shells out to "gnome-screenshot -w -d=3" and counts down "3, 2, 1" in my window.
[00:26] <aquarius> screws you a bit for maximised things, but you oughtn't to be taking pictures of maximised windows anyway
[00:26] <AlanBell> or alt+prtscr, done.
[00:27] <AlanBell> ooh, I think I see what you want to do
[00:29] <AlanBell> aquarius: is it a bit like the tool the ubuntu manual team knocked together to do automated screenshots?
[00:29] <aquarius> sort of
[00:30] <aquarius> what it does is: get the list of apps which do not have screenshots from screenshots.ubutnu.com, cross-reference that with the list of apps that you have installed, and then give you a list.
[00:30] <aquarius> so you pick one on the list, it starts, you screenshot it, and then the app helps you upload the screenshot to screenshots.ubuntu.com
[00:31] <aquarius> the problem is the "it starts, you screenshot it" bit.:)
[00:31] <aquarius> would ask mpt but he's not around ;)
[00:31] <AlanBell> I see
[00:32] <AlanBell> shutter has quite a few dependencies
[00:33] <AlanBell> would be nice to do it using gnome-screenshot or in the same way as gnome-screenshot
[00:33] <aquarius> yeah, that's what I'm thinking
[00:34] <AlanBell> is there some kind of moderation process?
[00:35] <AlanBell> or can I just upload a picture of anything my imagination can think of?
[00:36] <AlanBell> and what happens if 20 people upload a screenshot of a particular application?
[00:37] <AlanBell> and why am I not in bed yet?
[00:37] <AlanBell> night all o/
[01:00] <aquarius> bah
[01:00] <aquarius> gnome-screenshot doesn't let you take a picture without showing it to the user and making them save it :(
[01:00] <aquarius> AlanBell, that's one less beer I owe you ;)
[01:13] <funkyHat> aquarius: try scrot
[01:13] <Azelphur> I use scrot too, it's cool
[01:13] <funkyHat> Unfortunate name, I know
[01:13] <aquarius> funkyHat, people aren't likely to have that installed, though
[01:13] <Azelphur> and yea I get comments all the time with the name :D
[01:13] <aquarius> I'm doing it the hard way with gtk.gdk :)
[01:14] <Azelphur> I'd really like something smart so I can select which (combination) of screens I want it to screenshot.
[01:16] <funkyHat> must...not...eat...whole...bag...of...bombay...mix
[03:29] <ali1234> buggity bug bug bug 890955
[03:29] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 890955 in unity-2d (Ubuntu) "maximized windows cover the panel with dual head" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/890955
[07:12] <Myrtti> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fvTinaFzQE my old teachers on CNN
[07:13] <Myrtti> never been to the new school building tho
[07:47] <popey> morning
[07:48] <popey> mmmmm poached eggs
[07:50] <AlanBell> nom
[07:50] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:55] <popey> Also cappucino
[07:55] <popey> AlanBell: wifey says if I can find a babysitter for 9th dec, she will come
[08:00] <AlanBell> great
[08:00] <AlanBell> my wifey says no.
[08:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all.
[08:01] <popey> awww
[08:01] <AlanBell> morning
[08:01]  * TheOpenSourcerer is playing golf that day and then has a pantomime to go to.
[08:01] <AlanBell> oh no you haven't
[08:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[08:05]  * TheOpenSourcerer has just setup something called "todo.txt" Quite a nice idea actually. Plain text based todo list with a simple cli: $ t add my todo todo.
[08:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> $ t ls
[08:06] <AlanBell> interesting
[08:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://todotxt.com/
[08:09] <gordonjcp> TheOpenSourcerer: surely that's a very longwinded way of saying echo "add my todo todo" >> todo.txt
[08:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> "t add" is shorter than echo "foo" >> filename
[08:13]  * TheOpenSourcerer has a sickly child at home today... Main benefit is we will keep the heating on :-)
[08:15] <popey> hah
[08:15] <popey> wifey asked me last night if i wanted to change the heating now I work from home
[08:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> We have found that heating the whole house everyday of the week is not cheap.
[08:15] <popey> indeed
[08:16] <popey> i just put a jumper on ☺
[08:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> We have quite a large house with lots of leaky bits too :-(
[08:16]  * TheOpenSourcerer has his "house jumper" on. That's the one that is baggy, saggy a bit smelly, has a few holes in it, but is snuggly.
[08:16] <popey> ahh
[08:16] <popey> hehe
[08:17] <popey> i need to delete some stuff, my backup disk is full
[08:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> My office is only a single brick construction too. When it gets really cold I use an electric heater.
[08:18] <popey> my den tends to keep the chill off because i have a few computers on
[08:18] <popey> by 'few' I mean 4
[08:18]  * TheOpenSourcerer notes popey has a "den" - not yet an office.
[08:19] <popey> yeah, thats 'Under Construction'
[08:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[08:19] <MartijnVdS> Building a new office wing, popey? :)
[08:19] <popey> yeah
[08:21] <popey> time to delete some steam games
[08:22] <popey> hmm, i cant open steam
[08:23] <MartijnVdS> apt-get purge some_game
[08:23] <MartijnVdS> popey: you should be able to uninstall Steam games from the "standard" list of software in Windows
[08:23] <popey> osx
[08:23]  * popey reinstalls steam
[08:24] <popey> yay, updating steam
[08:26] <rml_home> this'll seem a really noddy question, but I can't find the "shutdown/restart" button in 11.10.  Am I being completely blind?
[08:26] <AlanBell> rml_home: top right, select shutdown, restart is hiding in there
[08:27] <AlanBell> or press a hardware power button somewhere
[08:28]  * TheOpenSourcerer recalls when you could still type "SUPER+S" to bring up that menu... 10:10.
[08:29] <AlanBell> wow, that does something interesting
[08:29] <rml_home> AlanBell: Thanks, but I still can't see it.  I have an envelope, connection icon, clock and session icon, but no shutdown icon
[08:29] <rml_home> it used to look like a power button in 11.4 iirc
[08:29] <AlanBell> and at the bottom of the session indicator?
[08:30] <AlanBell> which is a cog like power button icon
[08:30] <rml_home> User accounts is the botom menu item
[08:30] <AlanBell> oh, that is the me menu
[08:31] <AlanBell> so you don't appear to have the session indicator
[08:31] <rml_home> I guess not.  I'll have a play with user settings
[08:32] <diplo> Ctrl Alt Delete brings up the shutdown menu for me ( Lost my indicator as well )
[08:33] <rml_home> I'm glad I'm not the only one.  I thought I was going nuts
[08:33] <AlanBell> rml_home: we haven't ruled that out yet ;)
[08:33] <rml_home> very true ;)
[08:45] <DJones> Morning all
[08:49] <danfish> morning
[08:49] <danfish> popey: working from home.
[08:49] <danfish> me jealous
[08:50] <danfish> but ...http://theoatmeal.com/comics/working_home  <- possibly not 'work friendly'
[08:57] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:58] <selinuxium> morning   o/
[09:00] <BigRedS> good morning!
[09:05] <danfish> anyone got a good tab management extension for chrome/chromium? Got gazillions of tabs open that I (may) need.
[09:11] <BigRedS> ctrl+d ?
[09:11] <bigcalm> Morning peeps
[09:14] <danfish> BigRedS: I suppose so. Must get around to sorting out the tons of bookmarks.....:/
[09:18] <mattt> morning morning
[09:20] <MooDoo> :)
[09:35] <DJones> Heh, just had to send an email to the hilton hotel, persons surname was Paris so the email address was paris@hilton :)
[09:36] <bigcalm> Cute
[09:38] <andylockran> After each update to the tzdata package I have to run: `mysql_tzinfo_to_sql /usr/share/zoneinfo | mysql -u root -p mysql` to update the tzinfo in MySQL.
[09:39] <andylockran> I want to report a bug to see if that can be done as a post-installation hook for tzdata - so would I file a bug against tzdata or mysql, or both?
[09:51] <BigRedS> andylockran: I'd vote tzdata
[09:51] <daubers> Morning
[09:51] <BigRedS> because it's somethign that shoudl happen when that's updated
[09:54] <andylockran> BigRedS: Thanks
[09:58] <popey> http://fridrich.blogspot.com/2011/11/it-has-been-long-time-since-i-last-time.html sweet
[10:01] <andylockran> BigRedS: Question asked in Launchpad - can be turned to a bug on either package \o/
[10:02] <BigRedS> andylockran: oh, cool
[10:02] <BigRedS> do both, see who fixes it first :)
[10:02] <bigcalm> Bug report on both then :)
[10:03] <bigcalm> Only 3 people have super confirmed going to the xmas meal so far. Come on peeps, it'll be a spiffing evening :) http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1409/detail/
[10:04] <MooDoo> too far and a bit pricey for so close to christmas :(
[10:05] <DJones> Welcome Barbarian
[10:05] <Barbarian> o/
[10:05] <recentlydeceased> is there any way to stop the activities dash in gnome-shell from opening when triggering the top-left of the screen?
[10:15] <awilkins> Is it possible to link directly to a channel at http://webchat.freenode.net  ?
[10:16] <daubers> awilkins: Yup... but I can't remember how
[10:16] <awilkins> I've found a thread
[10:17] <awilkins> You give it a ?channels=  parameter   http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-uk
[10:17] <DJones> That surprises me, I would have thought not because of the recaptcha prove you're not a bit
[10:17] <DJones> s/bit/bot/
[10:17] <dr_barnowl> Hello awilkins
[10:17] <popey> there is a button at teh top to make links
[10:17] <awilkins> Hello, me
[10:18] <popey> 'add to your site'
[10:18] <awilkins> Hmm, I wonder if I can get away with embedding that in an Outlook HTML email... I can mail people a webchat... (probably not, darn hackers and jscript)

[10:19] <DJones> Still needs the recaptcha to be completed before joining though, so can't quite automatically connect to a channel
[10:20] <awilkins> I just got one with greek letters in it
[10:20] <awilkins> Understandably, I reloaded...
[10:22] <awilkins> Ah well, Outlook won't let you paste an iframe in, didn't really expect it to work....
[10:29] <JamesTait> Hello, hello!
[10:53] <davmor2> morning all
[10:53] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod, prod, prod, prod
[10:53] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 long time no abuse...:)
[10:54] <davmor2> MooDoo: Yeah stomach bug, cold combo not good :(
[10:54] <MooDoo> booo
[10:54] <davmor2> bigcalm: You ready for tomorrow dude
[10:55] <bigcalm> Ug
[10:55] <bigcalm> davmor2: aye, just hope I'm not asked to deploy a site tomorrow
[10:55] <davmor2> bigcalm: nice it's always fun
[10:56] <bigcalm> You know I said I've give Unity a go on my laptop for a month? Other day I gave in and installed xubuntu-desktop. I tried my best, but I just can't be productive in Unity :(
[10:57] <MooDoo> davmor2: welcome back mate :)
[10:57] <davmor2> bigcalm: you might have more joy with the new version coming out FFM, multi monitor support etc etc etc etc
[10:58] <bigcalm> Here's hoping :)
[10:58] <davmor2> MooDoo: what have you done to czajkowski
[10:58] <MooDoo> davmor2: i've not seen her in a couple of days.....
[10:58] <bigcalm> FFM? I know what that means in a completely non-family-friendly way, but not here
[10:58] <davmor2> bigcalm: Focus Follows Mouse :)
[10:59] <bigcalm> Oh
[10:59] <bigcalm> Never liked that
[10:59] <bigcalm> I have a habbit of clicking on a window and then throwing the mouse to the side
[10:59] <davmor2> bigcalm: no but a lot of real geeks do :D
[10:59] <bigcalm> Oooo, careful :P
[11:00] <davmor2> bigcalm: haha
[11:07] <davmor2> gord: you set for tomorrow?
[11:07] <MooDoo> davmor2: i've asked gord if he'll punch you on the arm for me :D
[11:08] <andylockran> :D
[11:08] <davmor2> MooDoo: cool I get gord to reproduce the hit I give him onto you too dude :D
[11:08] <MooDoo> davmor2: hehe :)
[11:12] <oimon> i thought copyright expired 50yrs after death in the UK? has this changed recently?
[11:13] <andylockran> oimon: I think so
[11:13] <andylockran> last year
[11:13] <MooDoo> http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p10_duration
[11:14] <andylockran> Life + 70 years
[11:14] <oimon> ugh
[11:14] <oimon> what a scam
[11:14] <andylockran> :(
[11:14] <andylockran> actually - that link suggests othersie
[11:14] <andylockran> nope - the link agrees with me
[11:14] <oimon>  For example, in the UK most work is protected for the life of the author plus 70 years
[11:14] <andylockran> the Berne Convention says 50
[11:15] <andylockran> Peter Pan :D
[11:15] <oimon> i'm thinking of written works.
[11:16] <oimon> so if you owned george orwells books before the rule was changed, is it now copyright violation to own them?
[11:17] <daubers> Heh, the police state comes down hard on you for owning a copy of 1984
[11:17] <daubers> somewhat amusing
[11:18] <gord> oimon, once work is in the public domain, its in the public domain forever, you can't re-grab copyright on it
[11:19] <gord> davmor2, no idea, i assume i'll find a train and arrive, something about a lighthouse, i'll figure it out
[11:20] <davmor2> gord: you have no excuse there was an email about it last week ;) 09:00-17:00 at the lighthouse indeed :)
[11:20] <oimon> time to re-read 1984 anyways :)
[11:26] <danfish> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15742055
[11:27] <danfish> and in other breaking news "the Pope is Catholic"
[11:27] <DJones> Only on sundays though :)
[11:28] <brobostigon> lol :)
[11:28]  * brobostigon likes pope jokes.
[11:30] <bigcalm> There was an email?
[11:31] <bigcalm> brobostigon: you must love joke.popey.com then
[11:32] <brobostigon> bigcalm: hmm, kinda, but quite an obvious joke for here.
[11:34] <bigcalm> That's odd
[11:34] <bigcalm> The Update Manager no longer requests authorisation before installing updates
[11:38] <bigcalm> Is this a feature of 11.10?
[11:38] <KrisDouglas> bigcalm, I just tested, it asked me for my password?
[11:39] <diplo> bigcalm, Only time I get there is if I have authed with something else recently, seems to have a session based time out for it
[11:39] <bigcalm> Nothing else has been asking me for auth
[11:40] <popey> correct
[11:40] <popey> it no longer asks for password if its just updating existing packages
[11:41] <bigcalm> popey: thanks
[11:41] <popey> see lengthy thread about how this is evil on the -users list
[11:41] <daubers> popey: Isn't all change evil?
[11:42] <popey> bug 811166
[11:42] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 814331 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #811166 [Oneiric] update-manager installs packages without authentication" [High,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/814331
[11:42] <BigRedS> haha
[11:42] <popey> sorry, bug 814331
[11:42] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 814331 in update-manager (Ubuntu) "[Oneiric] update-manager installs packages without authentication" [High,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/814331
[11:42]  * BigRedS reports bug for Linux being too easy to use
[11:42] <popey> note it only applies to update manager
[11:42] <popey> not apt-get
[11:43] <popey> so you have to be sat at the machine looking at the desktop
[11:43] <popey> and logged in
[11:43] <popey> (not locked)
[11:44] <DJones> bigcalm: I've noticed that bug as well, same things happening, but on another machine, it asks for the password
[11:44] <bigcalm> I didn't know if it was a bug or a feature
[11:44] <KrisDouglas> I am asked every time with update manager
[11:44] <KrisDouglas> I am used to it because I update to the chromium nightly every couple of days
[11:45] <popey> do you start update manager manually? or the popup?
[11:46] <DJones> I wait until the icon in the unity bar says there are updates, then click the icon
[11:49] <gord> unity bar, thats a new one to add to the list
[11:49] <bigcalm> I do the same for my desktop as I'm lazy like that. For my servers I tend to apt-get upgrade whenever apticron tells me there are updates
[11:49] <DJones> gord: :)
[11:50] <DJones> Maybe I should have said the dis-unity bar
[11:53] <popey> I upgrade all my machines at once with landscape :D
[11:54] <dogmatic69> is that proprietary
[11:54] <Daviey> popey: Where can i find out more about this landscape thing you talk of?
[11:54] <dogmatic69> http://www.canonical.com/enterprise-services/ubuntu-advantage/landscape
[11:55] <Daviey> If i can lower my management and administration costs, i'm signing up now!
[11:55]  * gord smells something fishy
[11:56] <Laney> you left the tuna out
[11:57] <bigcalm> gord: corporate shills, every one of them ;)
[11:58] <Daviey> heh
[11:59]  * awilkins has persuaded services manager to try out Landscape.
[12:00] <awilkins> Hopfully it's a gateway drug that facilitates some support contract payments
[12:00] <popey> ☺
[12:00]  * popey high fives the corporate shills in the room
[12:01] <bigcalm> Growing in number
[12:02] <popey> heh
[12:07]  * selinuxium has landscape but has yet to install it...
[12:09] <Laney> I want to play with the shiny new Kindle that I got for the missus, but it comes in a stupidly sealed box :(
[12:09] <shauno> repack it in a manilla envelope.  it'll look just like some adverts she vaguely recalls.
[12:10] <davmor2> popey: o/
[12:11] <Laney> just had to... test it worked...
[12:12] <davmor2> Laney: I couldn't give it you with a cracked screen and the box was rattling?
[12:12] <shauno> give it the wifi password & bring it up to a full charge.  yaknow, just to make sure she gets the optimal first impression ;)
[12:13] <davmor2> Laney: or the nicer one, I wanted it to have a full charge and your favourite books on so you could start reading immediately :D
[12:17] <AlanBell> choo choo
[12:18]  * AlanBell is off to the Home Office
[12:19]  * AlanBell has landscape, 60 day trial that started um, about 2 years ago
[12:19] <Myrtti> hohum
[12:19] <davmor2> AlanBell: The Home Office or your home office :D
[12:19] <AlanBell> davmor2: The Home Office
[12:20] <gord> is The Home Office what you *call* your home office?
[12:20] <AlanBell> the home office was where I was before I got on the train
[12:20] <davmor2> AlanBell: in that case do your top button up you scruff ;)
[12:20] <AlanBell> davmor2: is this webcam on???
[12:20] <danfish> what - someone made AlanBell home secretary? Craziness ;)
[12:21] <davmor2> danfish: no that would be sensible
[12:23]  * AlanBell wonders what to legalise
[12:23] <daubers> Moida!
[12:23]  * AlanBell is basically working on the legalisation of Free Software
[12:23] <danfish> heh - sensible. Can't remember what that was.
[12:23] <danfish> AlanBell: don't legalise things - make things compulsory
[12:24]  * AlanBell puts on the Stallman wig and sprinkles cheese on toseies
[12:24] <AlanBell> danfish: they did use the word mandatory, which was a struggle
[12:24] <gord> you can ban that for a start
[12:24] <AlanBell> it is now mandatory to consider open source options
[12:25]  * daubers eats an apple and has a brief power trip
[12:25] <danfish> the devil is in the word 'consider'
[12:25] <andylockran> :D
[12:26] <andylockran> I am thirsty - :D
[12:27] <danfish> my first act as PM or home sec would be to move the UK to GMT+48hrs making today Friday
[12:28] <bigcalm> Heh
[12:29] <daubers> danfish: My first act would be to get somone else to make a brew
[12:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh - did someone saw brew?
[12:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> And a biscuit please :-)
[12:30] <brobostigon> :)
[12:30]  * AlanBell wonders how to fit lunch in to the schedule
[12:31] <brobostigon> pub lunch, take work with you.?
[12:31] <davmor2> AlanBell: eat on the train you know it makes sense
[12:31] <AlanBell> ask the Home Office to move the meeting to the pub. Excellent idea.
[12:31] <brobostigon> :)
[12:31] <brobostigon> yeah
[12:31] <AlanBell> davmor2: I am on the train, without the food
[12:31] <danfish> AlanBell: a 'fit lunch' - run to the home office whilst eating a sarny ;)
[12:31] <Daviey> danfish: considering hour changes always happen on the weekend, right?  Your +48hours thing, would remove everyones Sunday.
[12:31] <davmor2> AlanBell: there's your first mistake
[12:32] <gord> pack lunch into a transformers lunch box, take out during meeting, proceed to squeal in delight at having lunchables
[12:32] <davmor2> gord: haha
[12:32] <davmor2> gord: you doing that tomorrow :D
[12:32] <Daviey> gord: Thomas the tank engine > transformers, any day.
[12:32] <danfish> Daviey: it would be a one-off presidential order, reversed on the Saturday night
[12:33] <popey> Daviey: Rory the Racing Car > Thomas the tank engine
[12:33]  * brobostigon would probebly go with android lunchbox.
[12:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> A Dr. Who lunch box (with Dalek sound effects) beats Thomas
[12:33] <danfish> Lightning McQueen leaves Rory the racing car for dust
[12:34] <brobostigon> or a pink floyd lunch box :)
[12:34] <brobostigon> with pink floyd mug, with dsofm emblem on the front.
[12:34] <davmor2> popey: bob the builder > rory the racing car
[12:34] <brobostigon> dsotm*
[12:35]  * daubers had a teenage mutant ninja turtles lunch box
[12:35] <daubers> then a stingray one
[12:35] <daubers> stingray wins
[12:35] <davmor2> AlanBell: Just do the "sudo make me a sandwich on arrival"
[12:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> Right. ENOUGH of this nonsense. There is a difficult economic climate. "Get back to work you scurvy dogs (ahhh harrr)"
[12:36] <Daviey> daubers: who didn't?!
[12:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Time for lunch.
[12:37] <davmor2> daubers: I think you'll find that Thunderbirds beats stingray
[12:37] <KrisDouglas> I like them both, stingray can have more depth than Thunderbirds at time, but Thunderbirds wins.
[12:38] <shauno> terrahawks>thunderbirds.  just because zeroids are cool.
[12:38] <KrisDouglas> And I will just leave Terrahawks here to be appreciated too
[12:38] <brobostigon> wallace and gromit, lunchbox, win also :)
[12:38] <davmor2> StarFleet beats them all
[12:38] <KrisDouglas> My girlfriend and I are watching terrahawks at the moment
[12:38] <KrisDouglas> we're on about episode 5 :)
[12:39] <danfish> couldn't afford lunchboxes as kids......
[12:39] <KrisDouglas> davmor2, never herd of StarFleet
[12:39] <brobostigon> KrisDouglas: star trek :)
[12:39] <KrisDouglas> brobostigon, are you sure he doesn't mean the english dub of X-Bomber?
[12:40] <brobostigon> KrisDouglas: i would associate it with star trek, not heard of that one.
[12:40]  * AlanBell observes the happy hour and christmas meal links got sent round Canonical UK this morning
[12:40] <KrisDouglas> StarFleet/X-Bomber has a very similar appearance to terrahawks it seems.
[12:40] <davmor2> brobostigon: there was a StarFleet before startrek you know
[12:40] <popey> indeed they did
[12:40] <brobostigon> davmor2: i am sure, yes, but that is not where i mainly associate the word from.
[12:41] <davmor2> KrisDouglas: brobostigon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExC6OEQazrc
[12:41] <KrisDouglas> Yeah, that is what I came across
[12:43] <davmor2> KrisDouglas: Then ofcourse you have Battle of the Planets and Thundercats and He-man and She-ra and defenders of the earth and .........
[12:43] <KrisDouglas> I haven't actually seen any of those
[12:43] <brobostigon> oh wow, that is certainly, ummm, original.
[12:43] <KrisDouglas> *adds to list*
[12:44] <popey> Ulysees 31!
[12:44] <KrisDouglas> brobostigon, isn't the fat ginger one hilarious :)
[12:44] <brobostigon> KrisDouglas: looks, yes.
[12:44] <davmor2> popey: dungeons and dragons
[12:44] <Daviey> I want one of these bad boys, http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/images/B005W2Z64Q
[12:45] <DJones> I noticed that one of the kids channels is showing new series of thundercats
[12:45] <MartijnVdS> Daviey: it's insulated!
[12:45] <KrisDouglas> I really want a Hudson voice from Terrahawks on my TomTom
[12:45] <davmor2> Daviey: We're going to have to kill you now to save you!
[12:46] <KrisDouglas> Daviey, ...
[12:46] <Daviey> :)
[12:46]  * brobostigon wants a sexy female voice on his satnav, like marilyn monroe, or similer.
[12:47] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: the default Android voice isn't sexy enough?
[12:47] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: definatly no where near, :)
[12:48] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: What about Stephen Fry? I know he doesn't have a sexy female voice.. but still
[12:48] <brobostigon> equally, i know a few women, who want a husky mans voice, for there satnav.
[12:48] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: interesting idea.
[12:50] <popey> gord: remind me, should I have vblank on or off in unity?
[12:52] <gord> popey, i think vblank off if you are running other GL stuff inside compiz
[12:56] <AlanBell> right, waterloo. Laters all o/
[12:56] <KrisDouglas> bye
[12:57] <KrisDouglas> Does anybody here use Linux Mint?
[13:00] <DJones> I think that might be a no
[13:21] <KrisDouglas> I would be inclined to agree
[13:22] <KrisDouglas> Odd really, I was having a look at it, and I don't know if it's going to get me burned on a stake saying this, but it's a lot slicker than Ubuntu
[13:22] <KrisDouglas> (with Unity)
[13:24] <bigcalm> That's been mentioned a few times here and there
[13:24] <bigcalm> I personally use xubuntu-desktop (xfce) so don't mind ;)
[13:25] <BigRedS> omgubuntu were a bit derisory towards mint's hotch-potch of gnome bits
[13:25] <BigRedS> that is, admittedly, the closest I've come to trying mint
[13:28] <KrisDouglas> BigRedS, though it does appear to be a bit of a mix of parts, it somehow feels that little bit more seamless than unity
[13:28] <KrisDouglas> bigcalm, I am considering giving XFCE a try
[13:29] <bigcalm> KrisDouglas: it's like using gnome classic
[13:29] <KrisDouglas> I need to find something to replace unity, it doesn't feel right having 2 22" monitors. Unity feels like a tablet shell.
[13:30] <KrisDouglas> bigcalm, it looks more like gnome than I thought it did actually.
[13:30] <KrisDouglas> The last time I used XFCE it was running on an original Xbox upon Gentoo
[13:31] <BigRedS> XFCE's basically like using gnome from 2005
[13:31] <KrisDouglas> And then there is KDE, I quite enjoyed that when I was running SuSE
[13:32] <AlanBell> did you know that even if you ask nicely you can't park a bike at the Home Office
[13:32] <bigcalm> AlanBell: you might be hiding subversives in the saddle
[13:32] <shauno> they'll do anything to keep boris away
[13:32] <KrisDouglas> BigRedS, that's not necessarily a bad thing from my point of view, i want something that stays out of my way.  I know there's people who want it
[13:33] <BigRedS> but the people who wanted gnome2 as it was in maverick probably don't want xfce
[13:33] <Laney> why can't you use the super key?
[13:34] <KrisDouglas> I was getting annoyed with Gnome 2 in Maverick
[13:35] <KrisDouglas> Laney, because when I use the super key it doesn't always open, especially when I am in a remote desktop session or similar
[13:35] <KrisDouglas> I do prefer unity to Gnome 2 in 10.10, there have been some improvements
[13:36] <KrisDouglas> But i'm still not content with window management, and I am quite annoyed that I cannot put my finger on what it is I don't like.
[13:37] <KrisDouglas> Considering I have widescreen monitors having it on the left edge is wondrous
[13:37] <KrisDouglas> Especially when I look at my colleague who is a mac user. He doesn't have the dock auto-hide, so he loses about 2/3 of an inch of space of his already meagre 1280x800 resolution
[13:39] <shauno> I really like using the bottom edge.  since I rarely have to mouse to status bars, I don't get that "jump in your face when you were aiming for a different widet" effect
[13:39] <brobostigon> this is why i like in gnome-shell the notification thingie, disappears, so it doesnt use any screen space. other than the bar at the top, with the clock and that stuff in, it is quite space efficiant i reckon.
[13:39] <KrisDouglas> shauno, the bottom edge is where I naturally prefer it, but it makes sense for it to be on the left/right. Took me a while to get used to, but I do sortof prefer it
[13:40] <KrisDouglas> brobostigon, I have never used Gnome shell, but it does look tidy
[13:40] <brobostigon> KrisDouglas: it is, yes.
[13:41]  * brobostigon likes to be able to reply to stuff in empathy, directly from notifications.
[13:43] <KrisDouglas> gnome shell looks like Android Honeycomb
[13:43] <KrisDouglas> ...upside down.
[13:44] <brobostigon> i have not used honeycomb.
[13:44] <brobostigon> before.
[13:44] <BigRedS> brobostigon: the gnome-shell notifications are infuriating with a full-screen terminal :/
[13:44] <nymwar> Agree
[13:44] <BigRedS> I don't see why they can't just use the top panel, which you can't do anything useful with anyway
[13:44] <KrisDouglas> I run terminator with about 6 boxes open
[13:45] <nymwar> The position of the notifications should be configurable
[13:45] <KrisDouglas> To be fair, all that top panel seems to do is show the time
[13:45] <brobostigon> BigRedS: i have my terminal here mostly full screen with the topbar visiable, how does it behave, i havent tried it full full screen.
[13:45] <KrisDouglas> could something more constructive not be done with it?
[13:45] <brobostigon> KrisDouglas: it also shows nm-applet and all that stuff.
[13:45] <BigRedS> brobostigon: well, the notification from the bottom covers up the bottom 12mm or so of my sreen, which is a line-and-a-bit of text
[13:45] <BigRedS> so when someione jabbers me I need to stop working for a few secodns until the notification goes away
[13:46] <nymwar> The top bar could be temporarily replaced by notifications.  That way you could continue hacking on a maximized terminal
[13:46] <KrisDouglas> yeah, but I am looking at a demo of it, brobostigon, and it seems to be the top right 2" are the only bits with anything on
[13:46] <brobostigon> BigRedS: ah, i run byobu, so it doesnt cover here, i never really thought about that,]
[13:46] <brobostigon> KrisDouglas: the whole stripe i would say, yes.
[13:46] <BigRedS> ah yeah, it's fine with screen or whatever, but I keep not using screen
[13:47] <BigRedS> I've started using pidgin now, though, because I got infurated with empathy not doing away-on-idle
[13:48] <nymwar> To make it blingy the top bar could be like a cylinder which rotates to show notifications
[13:48] <KrisDouglas> Has pidgin made any improvements lately, I havent used it on Linux since it was un-included from Ubuntu
[13:48] <KrisDouglas> I still use it on windows
[13:48] <KrisDouglas> nymwar, that would be interesting to see
[13:48] <BigRedS> it does xmpp priority now
[13:49] <brobostigon> BigRedS: ah, i see, ok.
[13:49] <BigRedS> apart from that, I don't think so. The conversation log interface is a bit less insane than empathy's, too
[13:51] <nymwar> Maybe I should patent the top bar cylinder idea, then have MS pay me royalties ;-)
[13:51] <BigRedS> nymwar: it doesn't work in that direction! :)
[13:54] <TREllis> AlanBell: btw, Marianna did send your mails in the end, I guess she had a backlog :)
[13:56] <davmor2> TREllis: She works for Canonical right you only need a minute away from your computer before you have a backlog :D
[13:58] <TREllis> ;-)
[13:58] <TREllis> davmor2: filtering++ that way I feel like I'm caught up, even if I'm months behind
[13:59] <davmor2> TREllis: ah Not the select all mark as read approach then ;)
[14:00] <BigRedS> davmor2: mark as spam, prevents the problem recurring
[14:01] <davmor2> BigRedS: You'd go far, but only because it's a 27 floor lift ride to the coat rack ;)
[14:01] <BigRedS> haha
[14:32] <KrisDouglas> doink
[14:32] <KrisDouglas> I am going to now install XFCE
[14:33] <KrisDouglas> Before I kill myself
[14:33] <BigRedS> why not just not install it and not go on to kill yourself?
[14:33] <KrisDouglas> BigRedS, because that's not entertaining enough
[14:34] <BigRedS> haha
[14:34] <KrisDouglas> am I right in thinking the best procedure is to run apt-get install xfce4?
[14:34] <KrisDouglas> or is there a desktop-like metapackage that has more goodies in it?
[14:34] <BigRedS> not in ubuntu
[14:35] <BigRedS> apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[14:35] <KrisDouglas> ty
[14:35] <BigRedS> gets you what you probably want
[14:35] <KrisDouglas> I am going to have a play
[14:35] <KrisDouglas> 89.7mb of archives
[14:35] <KrisDouglas> hmm
[14:36] <KrisDouglas> 63 seconds
[14:36] <KrisDouglas> thats wrong
[14:42] <KrisDouglas> brb
[15:06] <KrisDouglas> Hello
[15:06] <KrisDouglas> I am enjoying XFCE so far
[15:07] <KrisDouglas> I think I need to tinker with my Window Manager a bit, it's a bit ugly
[15:07] <KrisDouglas> (Only because I changed it to that :))
[15:13] <bigcalm> You changed it to 'ugly' ?
[15:13] <czajkowski> http://fosdem.org/2012/  79 days to FOSDEM
[15:15] <bigcalm> czajkowski: !
[15:15] <bigcalm> czajkowski: 9th Dec, xmas meal, you know you want to :)
[15:15] <MooDoo> rats belgium :(
[15:16] <bigcalm> !language | MooDoo
[15:16] <lubotu3`> MooDoo: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional.
[15:16] <MartijnVdS> Ah, the rudest word in the universe :)
[15:16] <bigcalm> Indeed
[15:17] <bigcalm> Glad somebody else knows this :)
[15:19] <czajkowski> bigcalm: I may come along afterwards but I'm a bad eater and the thought of someone serving me stuff I dont like isn't kinda me, think it's a nice idea mind you
[15:19] <czajkowski> different
[15:20] <bigcalm> Ho hum
[15:21] <czajkowski> I'm really bad to bring places for food
[15:21] <czajkowski> :s
[15:21] <czajkowski> sorry
[15:21] <KrisDouglas> Pardon my ignorance but which one was rude ;)
[15:22] <KrisDouglas> bigcalm, Yeah, I changed it to ugly, it was an accident, I think.
[15:22]  * bigcalm hugs czajkowski
[15:24]  * TheOpenSourcerer thinks czajkowski just lives on the black stuff.
[15:24] <bigcalm> Bovril?
[15:25] <MooDoo> bovril o/ FTW!
[15:25]  * TheOpenSourcerer says "Could be!" in the voice of Hong Kong Phooey
[15:26] <czajkowski> ugh Bovril
[15:26] <czajkowski> yuck
[15:26]  * MooDoo has just stopped respecting czajkowski
[15:26] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: you prefer marmite?
[15:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Marmite rocks.
[15:26] <DJones> Speaking of black stuff, I've got some HP sauce with Guiness at home, its a bit of an acquired taste :)
[15:27] <bigcalm> I have a bottle of that, but not tried it yet
[15:28] <DJones> Its an interesting combination
[15:29] <brobostigon> DJones: i tried that hp, on sausage sandwiches the other day, very yummy, :)
[15:30] <popey> \o/ marmite highligh
[15:30] <popey> +t
[15:30] <bigcalm> popey: you put it in your hair?
[15:30] <popey> not commonly
[15:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> bigcalm: popey has cats. Cats love marmite...
[15:32] <bigcalm> Salty
[15:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> Our cat likes Earwax :-D
[15:33] <bigcalm> Why are you feeding your cat earwax?
[15:33]  * TheOpenSourcerer was waiting for that
[15:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> I "discovered" that factoid by accident.
[15:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> A dangling hand off the sofa after digging around in my ear...
[15:34] <gord> #disgustingfactoftheday
[15:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[15:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> Interesting factoid #2. I discovered this on our previous cat.
[15:35] <shauno> could have been worse.  our kittens used to like sitting on my head, and along the back of my neck when watching tv.  imagine if they'd gone for some fresh produce
[15:35] <gord> fresh is not the word i would choose
[15:36] <popey> well known that cats like earwax
[15:36] <popey> they go nuts for it
[15:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> Is it popey? Well I never.
[15:36] <popey> google cats and earwax
[15:36] <popey> first hit is a b3ta link about it, nsfw
[15:37] <bigcalm> Oh dear
[15:37] <popey> well, sfw, just for child minds
[15:37] <popey> so dont read it gord !
[15:37]  * bigcalm tuts
[15:38] <shauno> guess it kinda makes sense.  it's kinda fun & tangy.  and we feed them freeze-dried cardboard ..
[15:38] <popey> 'tangy'
[15:38] <popey> lol
[15:38] <bigcalm> I've never tasted a bit and thought, mmm more
[15:40] <shauno> you don't live on freeze-dried cardboard :)
[15:40] <gord> am not a child >:(
[15:41] <shauno> I'm not sure I could have cats again.  our last attempt at modifying the local food chain went slightly wrong
[15:43] <KrisDouglas> shauno, you aren't supposed to eat your cat.
[15:43] <shauno> I didn't.  they woulda beat me in a fight :)
[15:44] <shauno> we got cats because we had a chipmunk infestation.  it worked rather well, until some passing cyotes discovered we had a feline infestation ..
[15:44] <KrisDouglas> Interesting
[15:44] <KrisDouglas> Did you eat the cyotes?
[15:45] <shauno> haha.  hungry?
[15:45] <MooDoo> ed0fj34x"£R423tr£$!V£$vt"£$%341v5£$!V23415  replace each letter with a swear word
[15:46] <dogmatic69> that is a lot of swear words
[15:46] <KrisDouglas> shauno, not now. :)P
[15:52] <KrisDouglas> MooDoo do they all have to be english?
[15:53] <MooDoo> KrisDouglas: not at all no!
[15:53] <MooDoo> dogmatic69: sorry just found out about work christmas hols
[15:54] <dogmatic69> MooDoo: or lack of them... ?
[15:54] <MooDoo> dogmatic69: have to work boxing day
[15:54] <dogmatic69> telecomute?
[15:54] <MooDoo> nope
[15:54] <MooDoo> in the offoce
[15:54] <MooDoo> office
[15:54] <dogmatic69> bah
[15:54] <MooDoo> yup
[15:55] <dogmatic69> in the snow
[15:55] <MooDoo> dogmatic69: oh that doesn't bother me, just working boxing day??  pah!
[15:55] <MooDoo> anyone need a tea biatch?
[15:55] <dogmatic69> did you pull the short straw?
[15:55] <MooDoo> dogmatic69: yeah
[15:55] <dogmatic69> MooDoo: wife / kids?
[15:56] <MooDoo> dogmatic69: 1 wife 1 3 year old and 1 2 month old
[15:56] <dogmatic69> normally that gets you off the days like that
[15:56] <dogmatic69> clearly they dont care about family stuff
[15:57] <MooDoo> +1
[15:57] <dogmatic69> 2 month old... $sleep--
[16:04] <MooDoo> oh well :)
[16:45] <Barbarian> evenin' gents
[16:46] <Oli> MooDoo: I read that as you having a 13yo wife.
[16:46] <Oli> Clear sign: I need tea.
[16:47] <Barbarian> I have tea. It is delicious
[16:57] <MooDoo> Oli: should i be worried about you? ;)
[16:58] <Darael> Depends.  Is there any sign of sanity present?  If so, then yes, be worried.
[16:59] <MooDoo> select * from sanity where user = 'logged into ubuntu-uk';
[16:59] <MooDoo> no results returned!
[17:01] <Darael> Ah.    I approve.
[17:05] <popey> @D
[17:05]  * MooDoo daren't go home tonight after telling my wofe i have to work boxing day :S
[17:06] <Darael> MooDoo: Thy wofe?
[17:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> MooDoo: Then go to the pub and get blindly drunk.
[17:06] <MooDoo> yeah went into west country mode then
[17:06] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: oh that would work lol
[17:06]  * Darael tries to come up with an entertaining definition of "wofe".  Possibly past tense of wife, but that's not really inventive enough.
[17:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes, but at least her screaming won't bother you much.
[17:07]  * MooDoo eyes up the pub down the road
[17:08] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: add a crafty chili or two to the pot when her back is turned :D
[17:09] <Myrtti> when I'm looking at iftop and seeing weird traffic that doesn't make any sense, how would you start pinpointing where the problem is? I'm trying to download Fedora on Transmission and every time I put transmission on, it gets really slow speeds and the quality of the connection in every app goes south like duck in winter
[17:09] <Myrtti> also my Belkin complains about SYN flood outbound something or other
[17:10] <Myrtti> oh, it seems to go both ways
[17:11] <shauno> the later would lead me to believe Transmission is mustering up more connections than your router can handle.  you'll probably get better performance if you can cap the maximum it'll create
[17:11] <danfish> Myrtti: I've just learnt to accept that as normal with p2p
[17:11] <Myrtti> I wonder would trying out with maverick laptop work better than the oneiric tablet
[17:12] <Myrtti> I just haven't experienced anything like this before
[17:12] <bigcalm> Speaking of laptops, I'd better make sure mine is working for tomorrow's day in Wolverhampton
[17:12] <Myrtti> I'm supposed to have 24M inbound
[17:12] <shauno> I don't supose your router offers any facility to see what its memory usage looks like?
[17:13] <Myrtti> barely getting 1K in with torrent, and even then ssh and http connections just drop
[17:13] <bigcalm> ddwrt \o/
[17:13] <Myrtti> yeah, thanks, bigcalm. I just bought this Belkin :-<
[17:14] <davmor2> MooDoo: Just find a new job in the meantime where you don't need to ;)
[17:14] <shauno> if it's what it sounds like, it's not linespeed; nat requires the router to track each connection in memory. when you start running out of memory, you'll have issues creating new connections
[17:14] <popey> Myrtti: I'd use HTTP to get the iso, Red Hat can afford the bandwidth :D
[17:14] <bigcalm> Myrtti: I'm sorry :(
[17:15] <MooDoo> davmor2: trying
[17:15] <davmor2> Myrtti: switch it off and on again it's the ultimate IT fix :D
[17:18] <davmor2> MooDoo: I feel sorry for you, but tell her it could be worse you could have to work newyears eve, think of the brewery owners that would go bust if that happened ;)
[17:18] <Myrtti> also perpetually annoyed that the wan connection settings don't seem to change from VCI MUX to LLC no matter how many times I try to change the settings
[17:19] <davmor2> Myrtti: Yeah but you bought a belkin you didn't expect it to work right did you?
[17:21] <Myrtti> davmor2: well I expected more than from a TeleWell or others I've had
[17:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: i'm ok with it, wife is fuming lol
[17:22] <davmor2> MooDoo: Newyears eve?
[17:23] <MooDoo> davmor2: only working boxing day....off otherwise will 3rd jan
[17:24] <davmor2> MooDoo: that's my point how much worse would it be to have to work on new years eve
[17:24] <MooDoo> davmor2: i'd work it, that's one day i don't care about at all
[17:25] <davmor2> MooDoo: it's the biggest party of the year and you use words like don't care
[17:25] <davmor2> MooDoo: shame on you
[17:25] <MooDoo> let's use something else.....REALLY REALLY DON'T CARE :)
[17:25] <Myrtti> I must have slipped into some weird universe
[17:25] <Myrtti> I don't know how to quit htop anymore
[17:26] <Myrtti> ah there we go
[17:26] <MooDoo> q?
[17:26] <Darael> Indeed, q.
[17:27] <davmor2> MooDoo: I'm getting this I don't care vibe from you but I'm hearing P.......A.......R........T........Y? cus I gotta
[17:27] <gord> davmor2, where am i going again tomorrow? i mean once i get to this lighthouse place, what am i doing?
[17:27] <daubers> gord: The polka??
[17:27] <bigcalm> gord: go to the cafe
[17:28] <bigcalm> gord: buy me a coffee
[17:28] <davmor2> gord: head for the cafe
[17:28] <davmor2> gord: and don't fall for bigcalms buy me a drink query
[17:30] <gord> davmor2, you are in the directory right? i'll just call you or something when i inevitably get lost ;)
[17:30] <davmor2> gord: did you ever go to LRL?
[17:31] <gord> nope
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> its 1°C out.. time for a run! ;)
[17:32] <davmor2> gord: okay in that case you walk out the train station straight up till you get to the traffic lights and turn right it's on the right last building but yeah give me a ring :)
[17:34] <davmor2> gord: it's literally 2 minutes tops. and you can see the big CHUBB sign as you come out of the station
[17:35] <gordonjcp> heh
[17:35] <gordonjcp> yeah, it's quite noticeable
[17:36] <bigcalm> 1,511 results for 'lugradio' on flickr and I still haven't found a picture of the outside of the building
[17:38] <bigcalm> There is this though: http://www.flickr.com/photos/andy_d/1241988602/
[17:39] <davmor2> gord: http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=wolverhampton+train+station&daddr=52.58744,-2.1234+to:Long+St&hl=en&sll=52.587046,-2.122054&sspn=0.001349,0.003484&geocode=FbxsIgMdUqff_yEkRwg-Bjx2fw%3BFbBrIgMdeJnf_yn1vMnjkZtwSDFRYxvMI4sNEw%3BFbBrIgMdeJnf_w&vpsrc=6&mra=dme&mrsp=2&sz=19&via=1&t=m&z=19
[17:39] <davmor2> gord: love google urls
[17:39] <jutnux> Evening guys!
[17:39] <davmor2> jutnux: evening
[17:39] <gord> yeah my phone can get me there
[17:39] <gord> ;)
[17:45] <davmor2> gord: although the roads have changed slightly but it should still get you close :)
[17:48] <Myrtti> ok, so how do I explain the fact that after reboot, without starting transmission before starting iftop, I get weird connections to all over the world according to iftop? to Brazil, Argentina, Sweden...
[17:48] <bigcalm> mrben at his finest hour http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikedpeters/2683202679/
[17:49]  * bigcalm gives up looking and puts dinner on
[17:50] <Myrtti> basically I don't understand why and how this stuff can show up in my iftop
[17:56] <gord> Myrtti, does iftop not let you see the process ID of the connection? nethogs will let you see those at least so you'll know what is transmitting data
[18:05] <Myrtti> ok, nethogs makes more sense to my brain than iftop
[18:06] <Myrtti> it was inbound connections because I had done a portforward to see if that helps with the torrent speeds
[18:06] <Myrtti> (it didn't)
[18:10] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Wheres Chuck? - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/11/16/wheres-chuck/
[18:11] <bigcalm> Where's my coffee?
[18:12] <davmor2> bigcalm: a little further to the right
[18:13] <bigcalm> -.-
[18:13] <bigcalm> Have you been moving my oggcamp11 mug around?
[18:13] <popey> \o/ oggcamp hilight
[18:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: no I just saw where you put it
[18:13] <bigcalm> Ah, that highlight
[18:14] <bigcalm> popey: why do you have marmite on highlight?
[18:14] <KrisDouglas> Does anybody know if it is possible to show the transfer speed in Thunar?
[18:14] <KrisDouglas> I have done some googling but the results all turned up with unanswered threads and old mailing lists
[18:15] <popey> bigcalm: why not?
[18:15] <davmor2> KrisDouglas: ask on #xubuntu or #xubuntu-devel
[18:15] <bigcalm> popey: fair enough :)
[18:15] <KrisDouglas> davmor2, I am not technically using xubuntu, I have just installed the DE :) (joke, thanks for the channels =] )
[18:15] <bigcalm> I can't decide which fountain pen to take with me tomorrow :S
[18:16] <bigcalm> Metal body with purple ink or plastic body with green ink?
[18:16] <davmor2> KrisDouglas: being as they are the default xfce users they are more likely to know
[18:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: green ink
[18:16] <KrisDouglas> Okiedokes, I will ask, dave, thanks.
[18:17] <bigcalm> Think it'll be the metal one as it's more likely to travel better
[18:17] <KrisDouglas> what the hell happened to that
[18:17] <KrisDouglas> Ok, I will ask. Thanks Dave. ***
[18:17] <bigcalm> davmor2: I like the green ink so much I'm tempted to drain my other fountain pen and have it in both
[18:17] <KrisDouglas> I need to go to bed.
[18:17] <Darael> bigcalm: Metal body and purple ink are both advantages in my book.
[18:18] <Darael> As long as the purple is closer to blue than pink, at any rate.
[18:18] <davmor2> bigcalm: yeah but if we are in the green house again we know what happen to your purple ink in sunlight
[18:18] <bigcalm> davmor2: the purple ink faded over many weeks of being in the sun light :P
[18:19] <davmor2> bigcalm: :D
[18:20] <bigcalm> Metal with purple: http://yfrog.com/h346vyfj
[18:20] <bigcalm> Plastic with green: https://plus.google.com/photos/113834766641843352499/albums/5675159506009955505
[18:22] <davmor2> bigcalm: apparently you'll need the purple as you can't draw a big smiley face in the green ink judging by the text in the picture :P
[18:22] <popey> do they do orange as well as purple?
[18:23] <davmor2> popey: hahaha
[18:23] <popey> ☺
[18:26] <davmor2> \u263a
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> ☺
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: ctrl+shift+u 263a ;)
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> ☻
[18:27] <popey> ooo I like that one too
[18:27] <MartijnVdS> popey: 263b :)
[18:27] <popey> ☻
[18:27] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I was figuring out it I could use python to figure out the code the answer is yes,  sadly however that means I'm understanding python more
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> but isn't there a separate block for smileys now in Unicode :)
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: understanding more python is good.
[18:29] <hamitron> just don't let it tighten its grip on you, or you shall learn nothing else
[18:29] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: No it means the world is doomed, dooooomed I tell you
[18:29] <hamitron> ;/
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I liked Doom, back in the 90s
[18:30] <Myrtti> serious candy love: a friend sent me pineapple lumps from New Zealand - omg ♥
[18:30] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Doom is different to Doomed ;)
[18:31] <davmor2> Myrtti: are those like pinapple cubes?
[18:32] <Myrtti> davmor2: chocolate covered pieces of heaven that go funny after keeping them in a fridge - they are like softer ice cubes after that
[18:32]  * gord can't wait for his next candy japan delivery
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: Professor Slughorn's favourite crystallised pineapple?
[18:32] <gord> though last time i go red bean candy... some people love it, but to me it tastes like potato candy
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> Time for foods
[18:33] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: I wouldn't know
[18:34] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: No Harry Potter reader?
[18:36] <Myrtti> MartijnVdS: I've read some of them once several years ago
[18:58] <Laney> i don't get this meme
[18:58] <Laney> who is chuck :(
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> Laney: Chuck? Meme?
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> Laney: Chuck Testa?
[18:59] <Laney> planet.
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> Laney: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/nope-chuck-testa ?
[18:59] <Laney> i don't know who that is
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> I don't know either
[19:00] <Laney> could be that person i suppose
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> very probably
[19:02] <popey> Laney: he's a guy who works for canonical
[19:03] <Laney> ah
[19:18] <AlanBell> evening all
[19:19] <czajkowski> AlanBell: you in London #?
[19:19] <AlanBell> on a train in waterloo about to leave
[19:19] <czajkowski> ahhh
[19:19] <czajkowski> :)
[19:20] <AlanBell> how are you?
[19:20] <czajkowski> ntb
[19:20] <czajkowski> productive day ?
[19:21] <AlanBell> rather intense!
[19:21] <czajkowski> in a good or bad way?
[19:21] <AlanBell> good
[19:25] <AlanBell> what are people up to this evening?
[19:25] <AlanBell> and have you all signed up for the happy hour/christmas dinner?
[19:26] <Laney> possibly going to see "the future"
[19:26] <czajkowski> AlanBell: curled up in bed reading
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> listening to some good music
[19:26] <Laney> which is a film narrated by a cat
[19:27] <danfish> AlanBell: happy hour, of course, meal, no pass :(
[19:29] <AlanBell> just got an email from the place, can't expand the booking but 9 is OK
[19:30]  * AlanBell wonders if czajkowski and filace will come to dinner
[19:30] <danfish> may have to put on a disguise in Surbiton, in case my patients see me in a pub
[19:31] <AlanBell> is that bad?
[19:31] <AlanBell> will they ask you to have a look at bits of them?
[19:32] <czajkowski> AlanBell: consdiering the courses danfish goes on I'd hope not
[19:32] <czajkowski> AlanBell: nope fraid not for the meal
[19:33] <danfish> hah - I really hope not, but will bring rubber gloves just in cases
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15739984
[19:42] <TheAshMan> Hi, I have a problem where the login screen doesn't start. after boot
[19:43] <TheAshMan> I've tried logging in to recovery mode and running unity --reset, but I got an error saying no display variable set
[19:44] <TheAshMan> Can I fix this from a live CD?
[19:46] <AlanBell> TheAshMan: THE LOGIN SCREEN IS LIGHTDM, NOT UNITY
[19:46]  * MartijnVdS takes away AlanBell's caps lock key
[19:47] <sadsun> I think TheAshMan means GRUB
[19:47] <TheAshMan> Nope, don't mean grub. I do mean lightdm. My bad.
[19:51] <AlanBell> sorry, there wasorry, didn't mean to be shouty, I lost signal for several minutes and then it all came back
[19:53] <AlanBell> laggiest mobile connection evar
[19:54] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: but then he can't turn it off!
[19:57] <danfish> is plymouth now the default? (can't run oneiric on this laptop due to a kernel prob - running debian)
[19:59] <popey> yes
[20:01]  * danfish must really sort out this laptop
[20:04] <jutnux> I have purchased my Father's christmas present: http://r.jutnux.co.uk/tYzP5f
[20:08] <hamitron> hehe
[20:08] <czajkowski> I've one last xmas pressie to get
[20:09] <czajkowski> and it's the one that's gonna drive me batty
[20:09] <jutnux> What is it? czajkowski ?
[20:09] <bigcalm> A bat
[20:09] <czajkowski> I've no idea
[20:11] <bigcalm> A case of rum cask Innis & Gunn for me?
[20:11] <jutnux> Haha.
[20:11]  * bigcalm sups his ale loveingly
[20:11] <jutnux> Water is the way forward, young padawan.
[20:12] <bigcalm> -.-
[20:12] <jutnux> Well
[20:12] <jutnux> You're older than me so.. failure there.
[20:12] <jutnux> ;)
[20:12] <bigcalm> Them to their own :)
[20:13] <bigcalm> I'm guessing that you are less than 18 (or 21 if you are in the US)
[20:13] <jutnux> Yes. Are you referring to alcohol?
[20:13] <bigcalm> Indeed
[20:14] <jutnux> You obviously don't know the youth around me.
[20:14] <jutnux> Drinking, parties every weekend, drugs, more drugs, more partying.
[20:15] <jutnux> Not that I drink, do drugs or party so extremely I end up in hospital like most (:
[20:15] <czajkowski> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/896  for the movmber tha's in it
[20:16] <jutnux> czajkowski, I grew mine over the weekend and it looked horrible. It had to be killed unfortunately.
[20:18] <jutnux> So what do you all think about SOPA?
[20:22]  * AlanBell hopes it is just an american problem
[20:23]  * czajkowski had to write an article on it today
[20:23] <AlanBell> or I hope it gets chucked out so it doesn't come over here
[20:23] <AlanBell> great firewall of America
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> I stopped caring about politics a long time ago. Not much changes in the end anyway.
[20:24] <AlanBell> land of the free
[20:24]  * AlanBell arrives in Farnham
[20:25] <jutnux> czajkowski, Where is such article?
[20:25] <jutnux> And yes, if it comes here there will be protests so I doubt it'll change much.
[20:25] <jutnux> Just result in more people using Ubuntu ;)
[20:25] <czajkowski> jutnux: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/czajkowski/H-onlineArticles  I put all my stuff on here
[20:26] <czajkowski> hmmm
[20:26] <jutnux> ALl of the big companies are joining in.
[20:26] <jutnux> The US will end up like China.
[20:26] <czajkowski> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Mozilla-censors-itself-as-part-of-American-Censorship-Day-1379903.html
[20:27] <jutnux> If this happens
[20:27] <jutnux> The internet is over
[20:27] <jutnux> Shit
[20:27] <jutnux> It was today
[20:27] <jpds> jutnux: Righto.
[20:27] <jutnux> jpds, I didn't mean literally over but.
[20:33] <jutnux> Pretty much breeching the first amendment if they stop free speech.
[20:34] <Barbarian> wouldn't be the biggest shock, coming from america
[20:34] <bigcalm> !language | jutnux
[20:34] <lubotu3`> jutnux: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional.
[20:35] <Barbarian> All hail the corporatocracy
[20:35] <jutnux> Sorry bigcalm ;)
[20:35] <jutnux> I hope it never comes here.
[20:35] <jutnux> I think I read about one in Europe.
[20:35] <bigcalm> czajkowski: If I were to take part in movember, I think I would find myself single for a month
[20:36] <czajkowski> heh
[20:36] <jutnux> Worth it though isn't it bigcalm? ;)
[20:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> czajkowski: jutnux If you have Windows (or a patent infringing decoder) you could watch the Hearing on SOPA here: http://judiciary.house.gov/
[20:36] <bigcalm> Hayley does not like facial hair below the eyes
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> tell her it's manly.
[20:36] <czajkowski> bigcalm: hehe I've done everyone and anything to get it grown no such luck
[20:37] <marsilainen> maybe she should get a shave then
[20:37] <jutnux> TheOpenSourcerer, Can#t get on. How's it going so far?
[20:37] <bigcalm> rimshot.popey.com
[20:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> I do not have Windows or a patent infringing codec.
[20:38] <bigcalm> That depends if one chooses to recognise software patents or not
[20:39] <marsilainen> I don't think you can choose which laws to recognise
[20:39] <marsilainen> can I choose not to recognise the murder law?
[20:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> Time for beer and BBC. Laterz all.
[20:39] <jutnux> Adios amigo!
[20:40] <bigcalm> Murder is a matter of morel point of view. Software patents are a farce
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> EEK they changed the BBC guide page
[20:41] <MartijnVdS> it's horizontal now
[20:47] <Azelphur> got a friend with a neighbour with a printer that seems to be not working
[20:48] <Azelphur> It's an MP210, it has about a week old ink cartridges in it, on it's single digit LED display it says E then 1 then 6, and repeats.
[20:48] <Azelphur> any ideas? I tried reseating the cartridges but that didn't solve it :(
[20:50] <gordonjcp> marsilainen: codecs can't infringe patents, because they are software and you cannot patent software
[20:51] <marsilainen> I was not responding to that
[20:51] <Azelphur> it's extra fun because the manual makes no mention of error codes
[20:51] <marsilainen> I was responding to bigcalm's statement "That depends if one chooses to recognise software patents or not"
[20:53] <marsilainen> gordonjcp: though to be honest I think your point is nothing more than semantic: you can patent ideas, including algorithms, which software then implements
[20:53] <marsilainen> that's the essence of what a "software patent" is
[20:54] <Barbarian> Patenting math is insane. Thats what a software patent is.
[20:54] <gordonjcp> marsilainen: there is actually quite a lot to getting a valid patent
[20:54] <Darael> But that's just it:  Look at what the patent system was developed for, and what the requirements for a patent are /supposed/ to be, and one can easily see that patents are intended for use on implementations.
[20:54] <gordonjcp> marsilainen: and it boils down to in most of the world you *cannot* patent software
[20:54] <marsilainen> gordonjcp: I never said that there was not
[20:54] <gordonjcp> and you'd even struggle to patent the ideas behind the software
[20:54] <gordonjcp> I say this as someone who holds a couple of patents for hardware
[20:54] <marsilainen> nor have I said that I agree with software patents
[20:55] <marsilainen> I have no idea what point you are trying to make
[20:55] <marsilainen> the fact is that in the US at least there are thousands of patents being used to protect algorithms used in software
[20:56] <Darael> Unfortunately, getting /hardware/ patents that are so vaguely-worded that they are clearly designed to cover any idea that someone else eventually comes up with seems to be possible - cf that Apple patent on 3d display without glasses (I forget the patent number, or I'd provide a reference.  I'll see if I can dig it out)
[20:56] <gordonjcp> marsilainen: right, but the US is irrelevant
[20:56] <marsilainen> gordonjcp: well, irrelevant in what context?
[20:57] <gordonjcp> marsilainen: it's *one* country, with backward-looking laws
[20:57] <AlanBell> marsilainen: in the #ubuntu-uk context, it is a different jurisdiction
[20:58] <AlanBell> they do have extra-jurisdictional influence
[20:58] <marsilainen> quite
[20:58] <gordonjcp> marsilainen: if the USA decided that you had to sing nursery rhymes for ten minutes before firefox would start, would Ubuntu remove firefox or make a singstar-type game?
[20:58] <gordonjcp> of course not
[20:58] <Barbarian> The US like to think they run the world. And they try and enforce that way.
[20:59] <gordonjcp> we run into this problem on amateur radio mailing lists all the time
[20:59] <gordonjcp> "well you can't use that mode because the FCC says you can't use more than 300bps on the HF bands"
[21:00] <gordonjcp> *and*?
[21:00] <gordonjcp> is there a reason why I should care about the FCC's regressive thinking?
[21:00] <marsilainen> gordonjcp: so you suggest that Ubuntu ignores all US software patents?
[21:00] <ali1234> i do
[21:00] <marsilainen> hah
[21:00] <ali1234> actually i think they should go one step further and include as much "patented" software as possible
[21:00] <Hackbinary> hello
[21:00] <ali1234> even if it is no use to anyone
[21:00] <Darael> It may not be strictly gramatically correct (the expansion of USA is plural, after all), but I would argue that in the context of what Barbarian said, the pronoun should be "it", to differentiate the attitude of the nation from that of its people.  The /nation/ is the thing with the attitude, not (or not universally) its citizens.
[21:01] <gordonjcp> marsilainen: yes
[21:01] <gordonjcp> the US is not relevant to 99% of Ubuntu users
[21:01] <jutnux> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/16/microsoft_fight_google_cloud_defections/
[21:01] <jutnux> Laughing so hard.
[21:01] <Barbarian> Darael, I 100% meant the government, not the people.
[21:01] <marsilainen> gordonjcp: prove that statistic
[21:01] <marsilainen> I bet more than 1% of ubuntu users are in the US
[21:02] <Darael> Barbarian: I was reasonably sure that was the case.   Microshaft are clearly worried. They even made a video comparing Office 2010 to OO.org
[21:06] <Barbarian> I do believe we might be privileged enough to witness the fall of micro$loth within this decade.
[21:06] <Barbarian> I don't think I have anything hard to back that up, but it's a feeling.
[21:07] <bigcalm> Barbarian: and 2012 will be the year of the Linux Desktop
[21:07] <Azelphur> Barbarian: it's pretty obvious that microsoft won't 'fall' what I think will happen though, is that things like smartphones will take over and microsoft will no longer have a monopoly :)
[21:07] <Barbarian> Azelphur, I didn't mean disappear into the abyss, I meant fall as in no longer able to bully and litigate their way to maintaining their monopoly
[21:07] <Azelphur> indeed :p
[21:08] <Azelphur> competition between the OS's will encourage innovation and make people write cross platform code, which is the best for everyone, hopefully that'll happen. :D
[21:09] <Barbarian> I do wonder if any non-linux non-windows OS will come into the limelight. Is BSD a different base, or is that also linux?
[21:09] <Azelphur> it's different
[21:09] <shauno> *cough*mac*cough*
[21:09] <Barbarian> mac = linux
[21:10] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Wheres Chuck 2 - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/11/16/wheres-chuck-2/
[21:10] <Azelphur> mac is BSD
[21:10] <Barbarian> wut?
[21:10] <Darael> Barbarian: OSX is BSD, and BSD and Linux are both *nix.
[21:11] <Azelphur> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X "Mac OS X is based upon the Mach kernel.[13] Certain parts from FreeBSD's and NetBSD's implementation of Unix were incorporated inNeXTSTEP, the core of Mac OS X."
[21:13] <Barbarian> "In a Netcraft survey published 1 March 2011, the top three most reliable Web hosting company sites for the month of February 2011 (the most recent month for which figures are available as of March 2011) were all found to be running FreeBSD on their servers."
[21:13] <Barbarian> I had no idea!
[21:14] <shauno> I have to admit, I don't put much faith in netcraft anymore
[21:14] <Barbarian> shauno, Any reason?
[21:15] <shauno> they're still stuck on a very 90s view of how these things work.  most notable sites are applications servers sat behind load balancers.   Really? I thought microsoft really did run linux :P
[21:19] <shauno> they did run freebsd for a long time.  hotmail was on freebsd for a *long time* after they acquired it
[21:22] <DJones> Evening all
[21:23] <Barbarian> o/
[21:23] <Barbarian> How goes it?
[21:24] <DJones> Not bad, just having a break from minecraft
[21:24] <DJones> How about you
[21:25] <Barbarian> pretty good
[21:25] <Barbarian> presentation went really well :D
[21:25] <DJones> Thats good
[21:38] <gordonjcp> that's actually a really tiring and annoying drive
[21:38] <jutnux> Someone needs to invent a cure for the Cold
[21:38] <jutnux> Even though it's semi-impossible.
[21:40] <j0nr> \wg 14
[21:41] <dwatkins> what if it turns us all into zombies, though?
[21:41] <Barbarian> Nobody on #ubuntu seems to know. Anyone got any idea what would cause ubuntu 11.10 64bit to recieve on input the sounds the computer is making instead of the microphone?
[21:41] <jutnux> Incorrect sound choice?
[21:41] <jutnux> Only thing I can think of
[21:41] <Barbarian> If you mean the almamixer CLI interface thing, not that, tried it
[21:41] <Barbarian> *alsa
[21:42] <dwatkins> Barbarian: are you using PulseAudio? Have you looked at padevchooser?
[21:42] <Barbarian> dwatkins, Never heard of it, reading about it now
[21:43] <dwatkins> worth checking, iirc
[21:43] <jutnux> https://secure.avaaz.org/en/save_the_internet_d/
[21:43] <jutnux> Gogogogo.
[21:48] <Barbarian> dwatkins, It doesnt want to ./configure :(
[21:49] <dwatkins> Barbarian: you shouldn't need to compile it - I believe it's in the repos
[21:50] <Barbarian> "Package padevchooser is not availuable, but is referenced"
[21:55] <dwatkins> What give you that, apt-get install padevchooser? I assume you've run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade recently.
[21:56] <Barbarian> yes, yes and yes.
[22:04] <dwatkins> What release of Ubuntu?
[22:04] <Myrtti> ahhahahahahahahha
[22:04] <Barbarian> 11.10 64 bit
[22:04] <Myrtti> I just noticed the alt text on sabdfl's Movember blog entry
[22:04] <Myrtti> cracked me up
[22:04] <Barbarian> i'm going up to development version of ubuntu-sound, seeing if that makes a difference
[22:05] <mattt> evening!
[22:06] <Barbarian> "failed to fetch ubuntu-audio-dev" RAGE
[22:34] <czajkowski> aquarius: find who you were looking for ?
[22:41] <Azelphur> how do I pipe the output of a command into tar?
[22:41] <Azelphur> I want to run a mysqldump and tar it as it goes
[22:44] <deej1976> Azelphur: mysqldump -h host -p -u userid database | tar cvf mysql-bkup.tar -
[22:44] <Azelphur> ty :D
[22:44] <deej1976> Azelphur: might work :D
[22:45] <Azelphur> echo "Hello" | tar cvf mysql-bkup.tar - # doesn't seem to work, so I'm gonna assume no
[22:46] <Azelphur> it says -: cannot stat: no such file or directory
[22:48] <deej1976> Azelphur: mysqldump < mysqldump options> | gzip > outputfile.sql.gz
[22:48] <Azelphur> deej1976: ah, have to use gzip for it tar can't do it
[22:48] <Azelphur> haha, same time
[22:49] <deej1976> Azelphur: www.ducea.com ?
[22:49] <Azelphur> what about it?
[22:49] <deej1976> That's where I found it
[22:49] <Azelphur> ah cool :)
[22:50] <Azelphur> I found it on stack overflow
[22:50] <deej1976> 3rd one down on my gogle search
[23:37] <Azelphur> hmm, here's an interesting bash question :p
[23:38] <Azelphur> I'm running mysqldump ... | gzip blah.gz, I want to ionice both the gzip and mysqldump, how do I do it?


[00:14] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** RAOF opened [pull request #2670](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2670): Server/run_mir: Improve warning message.
[00:14] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server-
[00:14] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > Oops. We should probably add a newline after our “it's all going to hell” warning.
[01:11] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2670](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2670): Server/run_mir: Improve warning message.
[01:43] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** RAOF opened [issue #2671](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2671): Wayland bindings generator generates UB... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/a253e9a90846aa94af2b13100d5fdd1bc33591c9>)
[01:43] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** RAOF added bug to [issue #2671](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2671): Wayland bindings generator generates UB
[01:54] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** wmww opened [pull request #2672](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2672): Do not send zxdg_output.name after initialization
[01:54] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server-
[01:54] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > Fixes #2666
[01:54] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** wmww edited [issue #2666](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2666): Bug in implementation of `xdg_output`
[02:36] <RAOF> sophie: If you happen to still be here - where is the destroy listener for wayland::LifetimeTracker actually inserted?
[02:36] <RAOF> (If not, stay asleep)
[02:41] <RAOF> Because it would be convenient to have a `wayland::Weak` from this wl_buffer, but we don't (and *can't*) have a `wayland::Resource`.
[02:51] <sophie-w> RAOF (he/they): what do you mean?
[02:52] <RAOF> Ah, I just found `deleted_for_resource`, which is exactly what I'm after.
[02:52] <RAOF> We can't have a `wayland::Resource` because we don't own the implementation, libwayland does.
[02:53] <RAOF> (This is another reason why we should implement `wl_shm_pool` ourselves; then we *would* have a `wayland::Resource`)
[02:59] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** RAOF added no-merge to [pull request #2645](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2645): platform/buffer_from_wl_shm: Handle clients immediately destroying the buffer
[05:34] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** RAOF opened [pull request #2673](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2673): Server/run_mir: Handle SIGQUIT as a normal termination
[05:34] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server-
[05:34] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- > We don't _need_ to handle SIGQUIT as an immediate crash, there doesn't seem to be any particular reason to, and handling it as an immediate crash goes through the unavoidably broken `fatal_signal_handler`.
[07:45] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added bug to [issue #2674](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2674): Waking screens up after `idle-timeout` often stops or locks Mir up
[07:45] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq opened [issue #2674](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2674): Waking screens up after `idle-timeout` often stops or locks Mir up... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/22f7d95be1334b39b3021a459693cb779e210e94>)
[07:46] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq edited [issue #2674](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2674): Waking screens up after `idle-timeout` often stops or locks Mir up
[08:21] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq removed wmww review required from [issue #2013](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2013): X11 apps behave strangely when cursor moves outside initial output bounds
[08:21] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added bug to [issue #2666](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2666): Bug in implementation of `xdg_output`
[08:28] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] closed [issue #2624](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2624): mgx::X11Window::r_mask used uninitialized
[08:28] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2648](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2648): Implement X11 platform pixel format selection correctly
[08:33] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq opened [issue #2675](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2675): warning: the use of `tmpnam' is dangerous, better use `mkstemp'... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/1fe49cce89cc5ee3eda2d12a717d09b1af36e5ba>)
[08:33] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq edited [issue #2675](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2675): warning: the use of `tmpnam` is dangerous, better use `mkstemp`
[09:19] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths closed [issue #1978](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1978): Firefox initially wrong size
[09:25] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq assigned wmww to [issue #2666](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2666): Bug in implementation of `xdg_output`
[09:33] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq removed AlanGriffiths review needed from [issue #1442](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1442): [Wayland] Implement pointer constraints
[10:09] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths removed Good first issue from [issue #2675](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2675): warning: the use of `tmpnam` is dangerous, better use `mkstemp`
[10:52] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added Saviq review needed to [issue #2509](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2509): Resizing Mattermost sends it crazy
[10:53] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added enhancement to [issue #2605](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2605): Nesting Wayland compositors should use pointer confinement
[10:53] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added bug to [issue #2615](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2615): Mir semi-frequently dumps full output state for no obvious reason
[10:54] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added bug and CI to [issue #2632](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2632): Miriway frequently crashes to GDM after exiting powersave
[10:54] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq removed CI from [issue #2632](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2632): Miriway frequently crashes to GDM after exiting powersave
[10:54] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added bug to [issue #2643](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2643): Cursor only updates once per enter on XWayland
[10:54] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added documentation to [issue #2654](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2654): Generate doc comments for Wayland protocols
[10:54] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added enhancement to [issue #2654](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2654): Generate doc comments for Wayland protocols
[10:55] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added enhancement to [issue #2655](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2655): Make Wayland object implementations testable
[10:55] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added enhancement to [issue #2656](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2656): Replace wl_resource with typesafe Wayland types
[13:29] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths opened [pull request #2676](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2676): More explicit code
[14:43] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths closed [issue #2001](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2001): [Mir-on-X] Ctrl-Alt-[Left|Right] doesn't work
[14:46] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** bors[bot] merged [pull request #2676](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2676): More explicit code
[15:29] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths edited [issue #1313](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1313): [miral-shell] When run in tiling mode, Xwayland is allocated a tile even when X11 apps have exited
[15:30] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** AlanGriffiths added wontfix and removed AlanGriffiths review needed from [issue #1313](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1313): [miral-shell] When run in tiling mode, Xwayland is allocated a tile even when X11 apps have exited
[16:00] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** wmww unassigned wmww from [issue #10](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/10): Mir logo?
[16:00] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** wmww unassigned wmww from [issue #1004](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1004): Restored windows not moved when the output they're on is removed
[16:01] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** wmww unassigned wmww from [issue #1762](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/1762): Allow shells to enable XWayland by default
[16:08] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq assigned AlanGriffiths to [issue #2674](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2674): Waking screens up after `idle-timeout` often stops or locks Mir up
[16:18] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq assigned RAOF to [issue #2599](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2599): Support wp_viewporter
[16:28] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq opened [issue #2677](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2677): In CLion cut & paste only works up to the last `\n` in the source text... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/8552d1053ac2949b86a61d2ee9330fa77baf6c3b>)
[16:28] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq edited [issue #2677](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2677): In CLion cut & paste only works up to the last `\n` in the source text
[16:31] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq assigned wmww to [issue #2677](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2677): In CLion cut & paste only works up to the last `\n` in the source text
[16:32] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq assigned wmww to [issue #2583](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2583): Can't paste when copied from Firefox address bar or Thunderbird "copy link"
[16:35] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq assigned AlanGriffiths to [issue #2594](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2594): Maximized windows "flash" through randomly
[16:38] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq assigned graysonguarino to [issue #640](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/640): The cursor does not support attaching an icon (e.g. for Drag-n-Drop)
[17:05] <alan_g[m]> EOD o/
[17:36]  * Saviq too
[23:47] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** RAOF closed [pull request #2673](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/pull/2673): Server/run_mir: Handle SIGQUIT as a normal termination


[01:16] <mpt> ugh, the Code of Conduct is practically impossible to read
[07:11] <gloin> ok
[07:11] <gloin> I'm not getting a reg emial
[07:11] <gloin> email*
[07:12] <gloin> is there any known issue with greylisting?
[07:15] <gloin> is this room containing anyone who's not AFK?
[07:20] <gloin> bloody hell
[07:20] <gloin> it hasn't even touched my mailserver
[07:21] <gloin> aye wait
[07:21] <gloin> it's touched it
[07:21] <gloin> but didn't call back
[07:21] <gloin> lame...
[07:24] <gloin> http://greylisting.org/
[07:25] <gloin> fix yer MTU, for frick's sake
[07:25] <gloin> err, MTA
[07:26] <Lathiat> try wiating more than 10 minutes for it to call back
[10:05] <SteveA> https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/4009
[10:05] <Ubugtu> malone bug 4009 in launchpad "Page needed explaining why greylisting may cause delayed Launchpad mail" [Normal,Confirmed]
[10:06] <SteveA> the question is how *your* mail server can tell the difference between launchpad and a spammer.
[10:07] <SteveA> and also... why do people turn up, as a question, and then not wait around... on a Sunday?
[10:33] <Lathiat> hahaha
[11:02] <fabbione> SteveA: i would close bugs like that without even an answer.. at the most a pointer to some RFC :)
[11:12] <SteveA> fabbione: the bug is "we need to add this to the FAQ"
[11:12] <SteveA> so, i agree with what you say
[11:12] <fabbione> SteveA: yes, it's not an LP FAQ. that's what i mean
[11:13] <SteveA> seems many people who set up greylisting don't really understand what they are doing
[11:13] <fabbione> -> REJECTED
[11:13] <SteveA> hahah
[11:13] <fabbione> or please add RTFM as bug closer
[11:13] <SteveA> that will do for the FAQ answer
[11:13] <fabbione> the latter is better :)
[11:13] <fabbione> Bug status: RTFM and enable a comment with URL to FM
[03:41] <miles>  !
[03:41] <miles>   ?
[03:41] <miles>
[03:41] <miles>
[03:42] <miles>
[03:42] <miles> pidorasi
[03:43] <miles> vse
[03:43] <miles> nahui
[03:43] <miles> sosite hui
[03:43] <miles> pidori
[03:43] <miles> chmishniki
[04:07] <Oublieuse> Hello
[04:08] <Oublieuse> I'd like to know if when we translate gnome 2 with rosetta, the changes will be used only for Ubuntu?
[05:04] <mdke> Oublieuse, gnome translation is done by the various translator groups in cvs. If you want to translate gnome modules in Ubuntu, you have to translate in the Ubuntu section of Rosetta
[05:05] <Oublieuse> ok, so changes in rosetta won't be used in cvs?
[05:05] <mdke> Oublieuse, no, unless the specific gnome translator group uses rosetta to manage their translations
[05:06] <mdke> most don't, I think
[05:06] <Oublieuse> that's what i'd like to do
[05:06] <Oublieuse> cause I don't want to make two times the same job
[05:07] <mdke> are you part of the gnome translator team for your language?
[05:09] <mdke> afk
[05:09] <Oublieuse> yes
[05:57] <mdke> Oublieuse, then you can discuss with your team the possibility of using rosetta for translations, and if they all agree, then you can use it
[05:57] <Oublieuse> ok
[05:58] <Oublieuse> I did it (we're only two :D )
[05:58] <Oublieuse> but problme is, the version on rosetta is gnome 2.0
[05:58] <Oublieuse> and on the official site for gnome
[05:58] <Oublieuse> we translate 2.14
[06:06] <Oublieuse> mdke> ?
[06:07] <mdke> Oublieuse, I think you'll have to write to the mailing list about that. I don't know whether all the modules are set up correctly
[06:07] <Oublieuse> ok
[06:36] <pmjdebruijn> hi
[06:36] <pmjdebruijn> hi
[06:36] <pmjdebruijn> I want to report a bug, which possibly is relevant to two packages, what do I do?
[06:36] <pmjdebruijn> file two seperate bugs?
[06:37] <pmjdebruijn> on each package
[06:43] <mdke> pmjdebruijn, file one bug, and request a fix in both packages
[06:57] <pmjdebruijn> mdke, how do I do that? just list both packages in the 'Package Name' field?
[06:58] <mdke> pmjdebruijn, click on Request Fix In:
[06:58] <mdke> then upstream/distribution, depending on where your bug is
[07:01] <pmjdebruijn> mdke, thankyou
[07:04] <mdke> np
[11:57] <ddaa> From "DHTML Utopia" by Stuart Langridge:
[11:57] <ddaa> > Let's imagine an online system through which people can sign up themselves, and any number of their friends, for free beer[1] .
[11:57] <ddaa> Footnote 1: Maybe there's a mad millionaire philantropist on the loose. No, I can't give you a URL at which this system is running for real!
[11:58] <ddaa> Funny that I should feel concerned :)


[01:02] <smoser> vila (who is gone) i've never seen that . that is odd.
[01:29] <smoser> JayF, around ?
[01:34] <smoser> see email
[14:38] <larsks> smoser: my feeling is that the ubuntu ssh packaging is fundamentally broken: there's nothing that will generate new host keys if they are missing when attempting to start sshd.  As far as I can tell, key generation happens only in the package postinst script. I.e., I don't think this is a cloud-init problem.
[14:40] <Odd_Bloke> larsks: I haven't been able to reproduce that issue, so I would tend to agree that it's not cloud-init's problem.
[14:40] <smoser> larsks, you're right, that is the case.
[14:41] <smoser> but it *is* cloud-init's problem here.
[14:41] <Odd_Bloke> Would be good to check with vila precisely what he was doing, in case there's something going on that we don't know about.
[14:41] <smoser> cloud-init needs to generate host keys (even if they exist) on first instance boot.
[14:42] <larsks> smoser: See, I disagree.  I think that maybe cloud-init should have an option to *remove* the keys, but I think that whatever starts sshd should be generating the keys.
[14:42] <smoser> so it is perfectly valid to rm /etc/ssh/ssh_*  in an image and then boot it.
[14:42] <larsks> smoser: Well, right.  That's very common, and that's why I think the ubuntu ssh packaging is so broken.
[14:42] <smoser> wll, that is definitely a path.
[14:42] <larsks> Because that's a very common situation (removing host keys as part of image prep)
[14:42] <smoser> cjwatson had been averse to that.
[14:43] <smoser> as that would mean the keys (if not present) are created with very little entropy.
[14:43] <smoser> dropbear (often used with busybox) actually generates them on first connect
[14:43] <smoser> which is guaranteed later than daemon start, and thus "better" from a perspective of available entropy.
[14:43] <larsks> That seems like a fine solution, and substantially better than "not generating them at all and being broken"
[14:44] <smoser> mostly, i've not fought with cjwatson. he's the openssh package maintainer, and very capable :)
[14:44] <larsks> I note that many cloud environments have a mechanism for feeding the entropy pool on virtual instances to help solve the low entropy issue...
[14:48] <smoser> larsks, cloud-init tries to use said entropy also (ie, if it knows of it, it will seed /dev/random with it).
[14:49] <larsks> Okay. So then in many environments low entropy shoulnd't necessarily be a problem.
[14:58] <smoser> larsks, well, except that we have to set cloud-init to correctly run before sshd starts then.
[14:59] <smoser> and also, you can't jsut say "its not a problem in some cloud environments" as any do not have said entropy utils
[15:02] <larsks> cloud-init is going to be generating ssh keys at boot one way or the other, either because the ssh startup script does it or because cloud-init does it natively.  So this is a situation we already have...
[15:05] <larsks> I guess a short-term bug -- that doesn't directly address this issue -- is that the cloud-init systemd unit has a dependency on sshd-keygen.service, which doesn't exist.
[15:05] <Odd_Bloke> cloud-init actually specifies that it should run before sshd-keygen.service.
[15:06] <larsks> Right.
[15:06] <larsks> sshd-keygen.service does not exist (on vivid, at least)
[15:07] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah.
[15:07] <Odd_Bloke> It's pretty much just noise though, so I don't know that it's worth pushing for vivid.
[15:08] <larsks> It is not operationally significant, it's true.
[21:27] <vila> smoser: \o/
[21:28] <vila> Thanks for the fix, I was trying to write a test and found the right file, now I have the right example ;-D
[21:28] <vila> (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1445143)


[08:52] <ara> morning!
[08:55] <jpds> Morning ara.
[08:55] <ara> hey jpds
[09:27] <ara> jcollado: ;-)
[09:27] <jcollado> ara:  Thanks!
[11:07] <nullack> Just an FYI, my test of a fresh Alpha 6 Ubiquity AMD64 install failed - its recorded under bug #342157
[11:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 342157 in ubiquity "Alpha 6 Live AMD64 Install Failure - HwDetect Failed Code 141" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/342157
[11:13] <ara> nullack: have you add that bug to the iso tracker page?
[11:13] <nullack> Ara : Yes Im in LP now, just fixing up a bug for Steve Beattie
[11:13] <nullack> Ara: PS Hope your well :)
[11:14] <ara> nullack: I am good, thanks :)
[11:21] <nullack> Ara : done it, thanks for the reminder
[11:21] <ara> nullack: cool, thanks :)
[14:20] <DisSsha1> Hi !
[14:21] <photon> hi!
[14:21] <DisSsha1> can someone tell me what Ubuntu use to verify non fonctional regression before push package update ?
[14:22] <nullack> Its a combination of manual and automated testing
[14:23] <eeejay> schwuk: howdy?
[14:23] <schwuk> eeejay: hi
[14:24] <eeejay> schwuk: hope you made it home ok. i seem to have dificulties making attachments in testcases.qa.ubuntu.com
[14:27] <DisSsha1> nullack: it's not a framework test suite like Linux Test Project ?
[14:28] <nullack> DisSsha1: Im cooking Dinner, but to quickly answer, there is some structured test cases on the ISO test team tracker, but most of the coverage is invented by the massive number of community testers doing exploratory testing
[14:29] <nullack> DisSsha1: With many people comes many expectations and many functional tests of different coverage
[14:29] <nullack> DisSsha1: I gotta run, BBL :)
[14:31] <DisSsha1> nullack: ok thx :)
[14:41] <schwuk> eeejay: Sorry - hw crash. I'll look into it.
[14:42] <eeejay> schwuk: thanks )
[14:57] <DisSsha1> do you know wich program generate this cute page http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/regression/regression_tracker.html ?
[14:59] <ara> DisSsha1: it is basic html with a css from launchpad
[15:00] <ara> DisSsha1: it is generated with a daily script
[15:01] <DisSsha1> ara: ok, where can i find this script ?
[15:02] <DisSsha1> ara: it's only launch test case ?
[15:02] <ara> DisSsha1: I think it is publicly available, sbeattie can tell you more about it
[15:03] <DisSsha1> ara: yes,Ii see it's the writter of this page, thanks you :)
[15:05] <sbeattie> DisSsha1: it's the regression_query script in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sbeattie/sru-tools/sru-buglist/files
[15:06] <sbeattie> And erk, it looks like the url on launchpad changed.
[15:07] <DisSsha1> sbeattie: oh thanks i juste writting you an email :)
[15:08] <DisSsha1> sbeattie, do you know why ubuntu do not use Test framework regression like Linux Test Project between updates ?
[15:15] <sbeattie> DisSsha1: it's on the roadmap, as part of rolling out some general automated testing infrastructure. Others in the channel can tell you where we're at in the process.
[15:18] <nags> mvo, I still get the error when I do update of package, looks like your fix will appear couple of days later ? regarding pycentral / python-ropemacs
[16:04] <kahrn> Has anyone had any trouble upgrading to alpha 6? (i.e. checkbox and checkbox-gtk being left in a broken state)
[16:04] <kahrn> thus leaving the system in a broken state^
[16:05] <DisSsha> Can someone tell me where i can find test Cases and launcher script  please  ?
[16:06] <tgpraveen> kahrn: arent such queries better off in #ubuntu+1
[16:06] <kahrn> ok
[16:25] <mvo> nags: I uploaded it today (the fixes)
[16:25] <mvo> nags: I had to hold it off a bit because of the jaunty-6 freeze
[16:26] <mvo> nags: but it should be on archive.ubuntu.com today and a bit later on the mirrors
[16:30] <mvo> charlie-tca: thanks for the logs, I try to reproduce the failure now :)
[16:31] <mvo> charlie-tca: do you always get it at the same package? or is that random?
[16:31] <charlie-tca> You are welcome. I am trying to reproduce it in hardware.
[16:31] <charlie-tca> It is always the same
[16:31] <charlie-tca> Both amd64 on VBox, i386 on hardware, when it fails
[16:34] <schwuk> eeejay: What's the problem with attachments? I was able to create, view and delete one on the WikiSandBox page.
[16:34] <eeejay> schwuk: it told me i was not able to
[16:34]  * eeejay tries again.
[16:35] <eeejay> schwuk: how do you delete them? can't see a way
[16:36] <nags> mvo, cool, thanks :)
[16:43] <schwuk> eeejay: http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Applications/Notification?action=AttachFile
[16:50] <diver> ppl, when alpha 6 will release?
[16:51] <philwyett> diver, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/jaunty/alpha-6/
[16:52] <diver> o ) thanks )
[17:40] <mvo> charlie-tca: just to confirm, after the error during the test aufs upgrade your rebootet and everything was back to normal?
[17:40] <mvo> i.e. intrepid
[17:40] <charlie-tca> yes
[17:40] <mvo> thanks
[17:40] <charlie-tca> that is correct. I was going to try to upgrade with aufs, but wanted to keep the logs for you instead
[17:41] <mvo> I'm trying to reproduce that failure currently, fingers crossed :)
[17:42] <charlie-tca> me too
[18:18] <mvo> charlie-tca: I can reproduce the failure
[18:20] <charlie-tca> :-)
[18:20] <charlie-tca> do you need my hardware failure logs?
[23:12] <NY152> bonjour suite à des mise à jour, le systeme de nettoyage dans le menu systeme>administration a disparu ! Comment le réinstaller ? (nom du paquet)
[23:15] <jpds> NY152: #ubuntu-fr pour aide en fraçais.
[23:16] <NY152> jpds: ils refusent d'aider sur les version en devellopement et disent que c'est ici qu'il faut s'adresser
[23:16] <jpds> Man, I need to improve my French.
[23:17] <NY152> ^^
[23:19] <NY152> Following an update utility for cleaning in the menu system> administration has disappeared. How to reinstall? (I'm on jaunty)
[23:23] <NY152> jpds you would have the package name?
[23:25] <jpds> What's missing the system > admin menu? Or the utility?
[23:26] <jpds> The utility is in the computer-janitor package.
[23:26] <NY152> tank you ^^
[23:27] <jpds> De rien.
[23:30] <NY152> jpds:  for information from intrepid (new installation, the migration to jaunty 6 beta broke me this package as well as hwtest, hwtest-gtk and ubuntu-desktop
[23:31] <jpds> Hmm, strange.
[23:32] <NY152> and impossible to repair: (
[23:32] <jpds> NY152: Can you: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop - and see why it will not install?
[23:33] <NY152> impossible
[23:33] <NY152> error
[23:33] <jpds> Can you put it on paste.ubuntu.com ?
[23:33] <NY152> ok
[23:36] <NY152> jpds:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/130843/
[23:37] <jpds> NY152: What does 'apt-get -f install' try to do?
[23:37] <NY152> i try now
[23:38] <NY152> idem
[23:39] <NY152> jpds:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/130845/
[23:41] <jpds> NY152: Oh, someone has filed a bug on it: bug #342497
[23:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 342497 in checkbox "checkbox E: /var/cache/apt/archives/checkbox_0.5_all.deb: subproces pre-installation script gaf een foutwaarde 1 terug E: /var/cache/apt/archives/checkbox-gtk_0.5_all.deb: subproces pre-installation script gaf een foutwaarde 1 terug" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/342497
[23:43] <NY152> that should I do?
[23:46] <jpds> NY152: I'll comment on the bug for you.
[23:47] <NY152> ok tank you :)
[23:49] <NY152> no solution yet for me then?
[23:50] <jpds> No, there appears to be some information missing in the package.
[23:50] <NY152> ok
[23:50] <NY152> tank you for helping
[23:51] <NY152> bye bye ^^