[16:41] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:41] <jjohansen> o/
[16:41] <jdstrand> hi!
[16:41] <tyhicks> hello
[16:41] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
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[16:41] <meetingology> jdstrand: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.
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[16:41] <jdstrand> erf
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[16:42] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Review of any previous action items
[16:42] <jdstrand> [ACTION] chrisccoulson send oxide and qtwebkit benchmark results to mailing list
[16:42] <meetingology> ACTION: chrisccoulson send oxide and qtwebkit benchmark results to mailing list
[16:43] <chrisccoulson> that's done
[16:43] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: cool. where did that go? I haven't gone through all of my email yet from being off friday
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand, https://lists.launchpad.net/oxide/msg00003.html
[16:44] <jdstrand> awesome!
[16:44]  * jdstrand hugs chrisccoulson :)
[16:45] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:45] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[16:45] <jdstrand> I have pending updates
[16:45] <jdstrand> and an embargoed issue
[16:46] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[16:46] <mdeslaur> I'm on triage this week
[16:46] <mdeslaur> I just published a couple of usns, and I have a few more that are at the testing stage
[16:47] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: (fyi, sb eattie is off today)
[16:47] <mdeslaur> that's about it, I'll be going down the list after that
[16:47] <mdeslaur> tyhicks: you're up
[16:47] <tyhicks> I submitted v2 of the dbus-daemon patches upstream last friday
[16:48] <jjohansen> \o/
[16:48] <tyhicks> so now I'm looking at kdbus and helping out with apparmor work items this week
[16:48] <tyhicks> if I can get to it, taking another look at the test-kernel-security.py failures on powerpc would be good, too
[16:48] <tyhicks> that's it for me
[16:49] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:49] <jjohansen> I'm pulling my hair out, err working on apparmor again this week.
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[16:50] <jjohansen> There where some qrt test failures that sarnold reported at the end of the week that we need to finish looking in to.
[16:50] <jdstrand> jjohansen: that is 2.8.95 related?
[16:50] <jjohansen> and there are still issues around ipc, with sockets
[16:50] <jjohansen> jdstrand: yes
[16:50] <jdstrand> hrm
[16:51] <jdstrand> do we expect 2.8.95 to land this week?
[16:51] <jdstrand> (that is for sarnold and jjohansen)
[16:52] <jjohansen> jdstrand: I think so
[16:52] <sarnold> jdstrand: I think so, there were more QRT failures on the nexus 4 than I expected, but it was rough even getting it to run there, so perhaps itshouldn't be a surprise
[16:53] <jdstrand> hmm
[16:53] <jjohansen> jdstrand: 2 of the failures are due to things not being supported in the test environment/platform and not being properly detected as such. The others I haven't looked into yet
[16:53] <jdstrand> tyhicks: didn't you do qrt on the nexus 4?
[16:53] <jdstrand> I thought it was working
[16:53] <jdstrand> but might be misremembering
[16:53] <sarnold> jdstrand: .. and I think the 2.8.0 apparmor packaging on the nexus 4 fails your test plan in the same ways as the new 2.8.95 apparmor fails it, so I'm hopeful there :)
[16:53] <tyhicks> jdstrand: I'm pretty sure that I did
[16:54] <tyhicks> but I'd guess that sarnold is talking about testing 2.8.95 on the nexus 4
[16:54] <jdstrand> sarnold: I'm interested in hearing more specifics about that
[16:54] <jdstrand> tyhicks: yes, but just said that 2.8.0 fails similarly
[16:54] <tyhicks> oh
[16:54] <jdstrand> sarnold: we can discuss outside of the meeting
[16:54] <jjohansen> yep
[16:55] <jjohansen> I think that is it from me, sarnold your up
[16:56] <sarnold> I'm on community this week
[16:56] <sarnold> also landing apparmor this week
[16:56] <sarnold> and I still have juju, schroot, strongswan, glusterfs, and cgmanager MIRs to start and finish.
[16:57] <sarnold> so I'm really hoping we can land apparmor today :)
[16:58] <sarnold> I think that's it for me, chrisccoulson you're up :)
[16:58] <chrisccoulson> this week, i've got mozilla updates
[16:58] <chrisccoulson> also planning to land oxide in the archive
[16:59] <chrisccoulson> and finish my ever growing list of oxide code reviews :)
[16:59] <chrisccoulson> and hopefully get https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisccoulson/oxide/network-callbacks merged, which has turned in to quite a significant chunk of work now
[16:59] <chrisccoulson> i think that's me done :)
[17:01] <jdstrand> chrisccoulson: network-callbacks is the lion's share of the UA overrides work you mentioned in the oxide meeting?
[17:03] <chrisccoulson> jdstrand,  it is. but it also contains hooks for storage access permissions (well, currently only cookies, but this is going to be extended to local storage, appcache, indexeddb and webdb as well) too
[17:03] <chrisccoulson> and it has support for third party cookie blocking
[17:03] <jdstrand> ack
[17:03] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[17:03] <jdstrand> he Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[17:03] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[17:03] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/slurm-llnl.html
[17:03] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gksu-polkit.html
[17:04] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/lib3ds.html
[17:04] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/google-authenticator.html
[17:04] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/libdigidoc.html
[17:04] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[17:04] <jdstrand> I have some questions related to our major deliverables for 14.04
[17:06] <jdstrand> based on the oxide standup today, oxide should be landing in the archive this week. webbrowser-app will follow after that and there is still quite a bit to do, but it is still believed that we will deliver oxide (and other teams webbrowser-app, UbuntuWebView and webapp-container)
[17:06] <jdstrand> that is awesome
[17:06] <jdstrand> apparmor 2.8.95 seems like it is close and sounds like it should land this week. We really need to make sure it does to pave the way for the next update
[17:07] <jdstrand> jjohansen: you mentioned that there is a bug related to ipc, with sockets. is that the remaining known bug?
[17:07] <jjohansen> the as in singular? no
[17:08] <jjohansen> its one of the remaining problems
[17:08] <jjohansen> v5 behavior (old kernel should be fine)
[17:08] <jdstrand> jjohansen: assuming 2.8.95 was fixed and landed in the archive, what is left for landing ipc?
[17:08] <jjohansen> new kernel has issues
[17:09] <jjohansen> jdstrand: there needs to be some revisions around ptrace, signals, and other policy
[17:10] <jjohansen> there needs to be some fixes to the network code
[17:10] <jjohansen> I think its doable this week
[17:10] <jdstrand> jjohansen: the network code is doable this week?
[17:10] <jjohansen> I think so
[17:11] <jdstrand> is the sockets ipc bug for this week?
[17:11] <jjohansen> yes I plan to fix that this week
[17:12] <jdstrand> jjohansen: 'new kernel has issues' - is that the network code, v5 behavior, or something else?
[17:14]  * jdstrand meant to add to his items this week to comment on the ipc policy
[17:14] <jjohansen> jdstrand: there are a few things, network code, there is a replacement issue around compound labels, there needs to be a versioning behavior change around the xtrans table in the parser that is fed into the kernel
[17:15] <jdstrand> ok. so, I'm just trying to create a list so I better understand where we are
[17:15] <jjohansen> jdstrand: lets put it this way, its good enough to pass the current regression tests, but issues are known (which just means we need to add more tests)
[17:16] <jdstrand> cause I'm starting to get nervous about ipc landing
[17:16]  * jjohansen too
[17:16] <jjohansen> oh and I need to do testing of it as a backport on precise and make sure its working right there
[17:17] <jdstrand> jjohansen: is the versioning change for this week?
[17:17] <jjohansen> some that should be working but I haven't tested yet with the latest kernel
[17:17] <jjohansen> jdstrand: yes it is needed
[17:17] <jdstrand> jjohansen: is the replacement issue around compound labels the socket issue or something else?
[17:18] <jjohansen> jdstrand: it is something else
[17:18] <jdstrand> is the replacement issue for this week?
[17:18] <jjohansen> jdstrand: I have a patch to fix it, but applying that patch causes the kernel to die for a different but related reason so I need to fix that
[17:19] <jdstrand> ok
[17:19] <jjohansen> jdstrand: the replacement issue can be put off, as things can work with out it.
[17:19] <jdstrand> jjohansen: were you able to upload test packages to the ppa based of sarnold's 2.8.95 from last week?
[17:19] <jjohansen> compound labels just don't get updated correctly after replacement
[17:19] <jjohansen> jdstrand: I have not, yet. I can do that today
[17:20] <jdstrand> jjohansen: re ppa> well, only if it helps people. perhaps wait until you have the final packages we plan to upload since they may land tomorrow
[17:20] <jdstrand> personally, I won't be able to install them today
[17:21] <jdstrand> but could tomorrow
[17:21] <jjohansen> okay
[17:21] <jdstrand> sb eattie is off today, so delaying to at least tomorrow makes sense to me
[17:22] <jdstrand> jjohansen: 'there needs to be some revisions around ptrace, signals, and other policy' - are you talking about policy language?
[17:23] <jjohansen> yes, its minor
[17:23] <jjohansen> the actual work won't take long
[17:24] <jdstrand> ok, so known issues. iirc, no one really responded to the policy language changes in the thread
[17:24] <jdstrand> of course, we worked through a lot of that before
[17:24] <jdstrand> do we feel like the policy language is in good shape (other than this minor issue)?
[17:25] <jdstrand> jjohansen: ^
[17:26] <jjohansen> I don't even know that I'd call it an issue, as looking for clarification, so we are happy with a final syntax
[17:26] <jdstrand> I see-- so, "yes, the final syntax is very close"
[17:26] <jjohansen> something that needs input from more than just me
[17:27] <jjohansen> yes we are close
[17:27] <jjohansen> we are talking about sugar, not functionality
[17:27] <jdstrand> right. perhaps respond to the list saying the lack of response is blocking it landing?
[17:27] <jjohansen> can do
[17:28] <jdstrand> jjohansen: does this look about right> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7109323/
[17:28] <jdstrand> oh, I forgot to ask about testing
[17:28] <jdstrand> jjohansen: do you know where we stand on coverage for these new features?
[17:29] <jjohansen> ptrace is pretty good, signal less so
[17:29] <jdstrand> jjohansen: I know that is a lot in sb eattie's domain, but curious if you knew
[17:30] <jdstrand> ok'
[17:31] <jdstrand> ok
[17:31] <jjohansen> that said, signal is not as bad as it may seem. It is actually getting tested in several of the other regression tests
[17:31] <jdstrand> so, I think I captured all that. I'd like outside of this meeting to discuss a plan to land this, with assigning people to do different things
[17:32] <jdstrand> tyhicks: should we push the v2 dbus patches once upstream ACKs them?
[17:32] <jdstrand> tyhicks: push to trusty that is
[17:32] <tyhicks> jdstrand: that's something I've been wondering
[17:32] <tyhicks> jdstrand: I think it would be a good idea
[17:32] <jdstrand> trusty is 5 years LTS
[17:33] <jdstrand> it seems like it would be
[17:33] <tyhicks> jdstrand: I feel confident in them and have tested them a considerable amount
[17:33] <tyhicks> I think so
[17:33] <jdstrand> ok, we need to come up with a plan for all this stuff
[17:33] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[17:33] <jjohansen> yeah I think that its a good idea, to push them in
[17:34] <tyhicks> all except for the last 2 patches in the series are a drop-in replacement
[17:34] <tyhicks> we wouldn't push those last 2 patches, becaues they depend on a dbus-daemon method that isn't in trusty's dbus-daemon
[17:34] <mdeslaur> tyhicks: what's special about the last to?
[17:34] <mdeslaur> oh
[17:34] <tyhicks> mdeslaur: it is a new method to get a peer's security credentials
[17:35] <mdeslaur> ok
[17:35] <tyhicks> we would live with our current distro-patched org.freedesktop.DBus.GetConnectionAppArmorSecurityContext() method
[17:35] <tyhicks> that's no big deal
[17:38] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, tyhicks, jjohansen, sarnold, chrisccoulson: thanks!
[17:38] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[17:38] <tyhicks> thanks!
[17:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Mar 17 17:38:41 2014 UTC.
[17:38] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-03-17-16.42.moin.txt
[17:38] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand!
[17:38] <sarnold> thanks jdstrand!
[17:38] <jjohansen> thanks jdstrand
[21:00] <mdeslaur> \o
[21:00] <infinity> o/
[21:00] <mdeslaur> infinity: having a fun monday? :P
[21:01] <stgraber> hello
[21:01] <infinity> mdeslaur: Nope!
[21:01] <mdeslaur> stgraber: hi!
[21:01] <mdeslaur> hehe
[21:01] <infinity> It's a miracle if I get any actual work done on Mondays, with all the meetings.
[21:02] <infinity> So, I think we have apologies from slangasek and pitti today?
[21:02] <mdeslaur> yep
[21:02] <mdeslaur> how many do we need to be to have quorum?
[21:02] <slangasek> in fact I may unapologize
[21:02] <infinity> kees: You around?
[21:02] <mdeslaur> slangasek: hi!
[21:03] <infinity> I'm not actually sure what quorum is for the TB.  4?  Is this documented somewhere?
[21:04] <slangasek> well, I suppose quorum only matters if we need to vote on something :)
[21:04] <mdeslaur> true, but it was also to satisfy my curiosity :P
[21:04] <stgraber> 4 sounds right
[21:05] <mdeslaur> #startmeeting Technical Board meeting
[21:05] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Mar 17 21:05:06 2014 UTC.  The chair is mdeslaur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[21:05] <mdeslaur> #topic Action review
[21:05] <stgraber> any besides the LTS stuff which we said we'd do by e-mail (I really need to reply to some of those...) I'm not sure that we have anything to vote on anyway
[21:05] <stgraber> s/^any //
[21:05] <mdeslaur> so, we still have kees' "MRE" item
[21:05] <mdeslaur> but he's not here, so let's defer that for now
[21:06] <infinity> I guess that carries, since he seems to not be around to speak to it. :P
[21:06] <mdeslaur> does anyone have any other action items that aren't on the wiki page?
[21:07] <mdeslaur> #topic Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed
[21:07] <infinity> We could take the LTS stuff from email to meeting, if we feel we're in a position to JFDI on some voting there.
[21:07] <slangasek> did the Ubuntu GNOME people make it today?
[21:07] <infinity> slangasek: FWIW, I agree with your "nothing shorter than 3y for an LTS commitment".
[21:07] <slangasek> darkxst said he was interested in discussing
[21:07] <darkxst> slangasek, hey, I am here
[21:07] <mdeslaur> I'd prefer waiting for a reply to slangasek's email
[21:07] <slangasek> darkxst: hello
[21:07] <mdeslaur> oh, cool. hi darkxst
[21:08] <slangasek> darkxst: hi - have you seen my mail today regarding the need for an overlap between LTSes to give users a chance to upgrade?
[21:08] <darkxst> yes, I just replied now
[21:08] <darkxst> only just woke up ;)
[21:09] <darkxst> "Was simply not aware that upgrades aren't enabled until 16.04.1. Certainly our intention is to provide some overlap for upgrades."
[21:09] <slangasek> ok
[21:10] <slangasek> and yes, we generally hold off on flipping the switch on the server regarding upgrades until the .1 point release
[21:10] <infinity> If you're okay with providing 3y, I think we should just go with that and approve it, unless there are objections?
[21:10] <darkxst> and if 3 years support is the minimum we will support that time frame,
[21:10] <slangasek> and that's a common switch that affects all flavors, not something we could make a per-flavor exception for
[21:10] <slangasek> I think "3 years minimum" is the consensus, at least among the TB members here
[21:11] <infinity> Is anyone gathering up all the LTS statuses somewhere handily central, so we can do the LP changes required to mark all the packagesets?
[21:11] <slangasek> if we have the 3-year committment, are we happy to approve Ubuntu GNOME for LTS?
[21:11] <infinity> +1
[21:11] <mdeslaur> +1
[21:11] <slangasek> +1
[21:11] <stgraber> +1
[21:11] <slangasek> darkxst: welcome to the LTS :)
[21:12] <darkxst> thanks ;)
[21:12] <mdeslaur> [AGREED] Ubuntu GNOME is a 3 year LTS
[21:12] <mdeslaur> gah
[21:12] <slangasek> infinity: well, I'm gathering them in the sense that they're all in a suitable mailbox
[21:12] <slangasek> infinity: but if I have access to tweak the packagesets, I don't know how; is that something you could take the action for?
[21:13] <infinity> It, hilariously, take an LP MP to make it happen, IIRC.
[21:13] <slangasek> and if you need me to send you the summary of LTS flavors I can do that
[21:13] <infinity> s/take/takes/
[21:13] <infinity> slangasek: If you want to summarize the flavour/support bits, I can handle the LP side.
[21:13] <slangasek> [ACTION] slangasek to send infinity the summary of flavor LTS support for adjusting in Launchpad
[21:13] <meetingology> ACTION: slangasek to send infinity the summary of flavor LTS support for adjusting in Launchpad
[21:14] <stgraber> Edubuntu, Kubuntu, Kylin => 5 years and GNOME, Xubuntu, Mythbuntu and Studio => 3 years
[21:14] <stgraber> that's what I have in my notes here anyway
[21:14] <slangasek> ok, stgraber steals the action
[21:14] <infinity> Heh.
[21:14] <infinity> stgraber: Triple check and drop me an email (or an MP, if you're feeling adventurous).
[21:15] <slangasek> [ACTION] infinity to mark 14.04 LTS flavor support in Launchpad: Edubuntu, Kubuntu, Kylin => 5 years and GNOME, Xubuntu, Mythbuntu and Studio => 3 years
[21:15] <meetingology> ACTION: infinity to mark 14.04 LTS flavor support in Launchpad: Edubuntu, Kubuntu, Kylin => 5 years and GNOME, Xubuntu, Mythbuntu and Studio => 3 years
[21:15] <slangasek> there, it'll be in the meeting notes too
[21:15] <mdeslaur> I gather we're all in agreement about those?
[21:16] <stgraber> hmm, did I miss an e-mail from Lubuntu or did they not answer wrt LTS status?
[21:16] <infinity> I have no objections, after the back-and-forth that was had about XFCE support seemed to come to a reasonable conclusion.
[21:16] <slangasek> yes, I'm +1 for all of the above
[21:16] <mdeslaur> +1 from me also
[21:17] <gilir> stgraber, Lubuntu answered on tb mailing list :-)
[21:18] <stgraber> gilir: oh yeah, sorry, just found it.
[21:18] <stgraber> so Lubuntu 3 years
[21:18] <infinity> Ahh, indeed.
[21:18] <infinity> +1 to that too.
[21:18] <stgraber> +1
[21:18] <infinity> Does that actually make all the flavours LTS this round?
[21:18] <stgraber> so that's kind of nice, we have all flavours participating in the LTS this time around
[21:18] <mdeslaur> \o/
[21:19] <infinity> Alright, we should probably commit that to LP this week, so the Final Beta is showing the right support lengths.
[21:20] <infinity> Since everything currently says 9m across the board.
[21:21] <mdeslaur> Does anyone have any other items they would like to discuss?
[21:21] <stgraber> nothing here
[21:21] <slangasek> not me
[21:21] <infinity> Nein.
[21:21] <mdeslaur> ok, moving on
[21:21] <mdeslaur> #topic Check up on community bugs
[21:21] <mdeslaur> no open bugs
[21:22] <mdeslaur> #topic Select a chair for the next meeting
[21:22] <mdeslaur> next in the list is sabdfl
[21:22] <infinity> s/sabdfl/pitti/ I'd assume.
[21:22] <mdeslaur> pitti: tag, you're it
[21:23] <mdeslaur> and...we're done!
[21:23] <mdeslaur> #endmeeting
[21:23] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Mar 17 21:23:21 2014 UTC.
[21:23] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-03-17-21.05.moin.txt
[21:23] <mdeslaur> thanks everyone!
[21:23] <infinity> Lovely.  Thanks.
[21:23] <stgraber> productive, short and sweet, I like that! thanks!


[00:20] <Corey> ikonia: Yeah, I'd have interest in pursuing that.
[00:20] <Corey> I'll let you know what my archeologist uncovers.
[00:32] <bazhang> arch channel is not +r
[00:32] <IdleOne> he is probably +q
[00:33] <IdleOne> guess they had enough
[01:10] <bazhang> * [bktrak] (~bktrak@cpe-72-231-173-136.nycap.res.rr.com): bktrak
[01:11] <bazhang> bot or just unpleasant
 have you tried hooking up a smotherbox?
[01:13] <bazhang> DONT google that
[02:33] <bazhang> baktrak same as bktrak from before
 Its America.. "Free Speach"
[02:46] <baktrak> Hi, i would like to report an operator.. in the channel #ubuntu.
[02:46] <IdleOne> which and report what?
[02:47] <baktrak> bazhang
[02:47] <bazhang> ?
[02:47] <IdleOne> ok...
[02:47] <baktrak> So who do i report it to
[02:47] <IdleOne> baktrak: what would you like to report?
[02:48] <IdleOne> baktrak: still there?
[02:48] <baktrak> Thats After i was explaining a problem to a person a kernel problem in ubuntu 10.04 that he told me no chit-chatting... but i was telling a person a problem in Ubuntu... i understand the chat is for support only but then he then... kicked me.. out of channel.. and then +q'd me.
[02:49] <baktrak> So then He Priv Messaged me to prolly "taunt" Me.. and then says "No Perhaps You will respond"
[02:49] <baktrak> After he Muted me from #ubuntu
[02:50] <baktrak> And then after.. Pointing Just me out for chit-chatting he doesnt enforce any of the rules to any other person in #ubuntu.. As u can see here...  The Channel is for support.
[02:52] <IdleOne> please read the info at the link and if you agree to follow our guidelines and not try the "This is America" stuff again I'll unban you.
[02:52] <baktrak> Not banned
[02:52] <baktrak> Muted
[02:52] <IdleOne> because. this is NOT America
[02:52] <IdleOne> this is freenode
[02:53] <baktrak> Lol k i agree
[02:53] <IdleOne> why am I not convinced?
[02:53] <baktrak> Because this isnt America?..   Go home.
[03:06] <PerfM> Hahaha
[03:06] <PerfM> Typical
[03:06] <PerfM> Doesn't even ask how I am, or anything
[03:06] <IdleOne> I talked to you earlier, had my perfie fill for the day.
[03:06] <bazhang> not the place for that PerfM
[03:07] <PerfM> lololololol epic
[03:07] <bazhang> as you well know
[03:07] <PerfM> bazhang, just chillin w/my bud
[03:07] <bazhang> PerfM, not here
[03:07] <PerfM> you wanna be my bud too?
[03:07] <bazhang> ...
[03:07] <IdleOne> PerfM: seriously, please part the channel.
[03:08] <PerfM> I'll be back
[03:08] <bazhang> sure you will
[03:09] <bazhang> whatever could go wrong with *empowering* a known troll with a *cloak* to that effect
[03:09] <IdleOne> it also empowers us to call him troll and not be insulting
[03:10] <bazhang> that cloak wont be removed unless it is extreme, way over the line behavior
 can i make video games for ubuntu so more people will use it?
[03:28] <tonyyarusso> Well, they'd have to be GOOD video games...
[03:28] <bazhang> heh
[03:33] <bazhang> any clue whats up with soreau in -ot
[03:35] <bazhang> this wont end well
[05:57] <IdleOne> AfterDeath: Can I help you?
[05:58] <AfterDeath> Yeah, was about to ask some stuff but figured it out. Doing clean-up work on AntiSpamMeta. Have a good day :)
[05:58] <AfterDeath> s/Yeah/No/
[06:56] <Danielcg25> Sorry for that, ubottu seems to think it's funny to forward my insults to it to this channel
[06:56] <IdleOne> she is funny that way.
[06:57] <Danielcg25> I think I figured it out.
[06:57] <Danielcg25> It sends everything after "is"
[06:59] <IdleOne> Danielcg25: the term dickpickle is not necessarily cursing but in the context you described it was clearly meant to be an insult which makes it cursing.
[07:00] <IdleOne> So please just keep the language family friendly.
[07:00] <Danielcg25> ok
[07:30] <Myrtti> hurr
[07:30] <Myrtti> RaTTuS|BIG...
[07:31] <Myrtti> was it automated?
[07:38] <Myrtti> they all have had too much coffee
[07:39] <IdleOne> or not enough
[09:52] <Corey> Dunno why that quiet didn't release on solancer
[09:52] <Corey> I pulled it.
[09:53] <oCean> great, was about to myself
[10:36] <vibhav> unmuted?
[10:37] <bazhang> vibhav, no
[10:38] <bazhang> vibhav, please stop asking for it to happen, you will be contacted.
[10:38] <vibhav> ok
[11:02] <StevenR> oh well. he left the channel. nevermind :)
[11:05] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops vibhav totally unable to follow simple instructions.
[11:07] <elky> That can be removed in 1 week
[11:21] <bazhang> they got tons of warnings
[11:21] <oCean> true
[11:23] <bazhang> no more needed imo
[11:33] <bazhang> lengthy protest PM from Uatec for the remove
[11:34] <bazhang> throws in "fighting the urge to Godwin"
[13:27] <Sidewinder1> ikonia, Might you be available?
[13:27] <ikonia> yes,
[13:27] <ikonia> just cooking so I'm in/out
[13:28] <ikonia> what's up ?
[13:30] <Sidewinder1> I was just wondering if your comment about my reinstall suggestion was just a tiny bit rude; calling it "crazy" i agree, it was somewhat rash but in the end, I think it would've worked. I'm not trying to "start somrthing, just curious. :D
[13:30] <Sidewinder1> something, even
[13:32] <ikonia> if you think telling someone to reinstll their OS to put grub on a disk is sane,
[13:34] <ikonia> or you think that is a way to help someone, that is crazy
[13:38] <Sidewinder1> OK, I agree, but I  wasn't exactly sure of the procedure; I will refrain in the future unless I'm absolutely certain; and I apologize if I "ruffled your feathers". Please realize that when I first started with ubuntu (Gutsy) I knew no one who had even heard of *nix, much less ubuntu. I am self taught through the forums and didn't discover this channel until recently. My goals are totally altruistic in that all I wish to do
[13:38] <Sidewinder1> is help others and giav back to the community.
[13:38] <Sidewinder1> give, even
[13:39] <ikonia> Sidewinder1: you've not offended or ruffled anyones feathers, it's not a problem
[13:39] <ikonia> and everyone picks up knowledge and info as they go along, you don't have to know everything on day one
[13:39] <ikonia> infact it would be equally as crazy to expect that
[13:39] <Sidewinder1> That's cool' IMHO we're good and I'll part..
[13:40] <Sidewinder1> There 'ya go, accusing me of being crazy; my wife will attest to that!
[13:41] <Sidewinder1> Bye! :-)
[13:42] <ikonia> bye
[13:42] <Sidewinder1> And thanks to you and all the rest for volunteering your time; it doesn't go unnoticed, at least not here.
[13:42] <Sidewinder1> Laterz.
[17:32] <ikonia> sorted


[08:43]  * apw yawns
[08:45] <ikepanhc> good morning apw
[08:47]  * amitk waves
[08:48] <ikepanhc> .... and amitk :)
[08:48] <apw> morning ikepanhc
[08:48] <abogani> morning all
[08:49]  * apw waves
[09:13]  * cooloney waves at apw amitk cking
[09:13] <cooloney> morning guys
[09:13] <apw> mornign
[09:13] <Matsy> Ah, this seems to be a more suitable channel for my question. I am in need to install the <IP_ADDRESS> kernel. I just need it to compile a certain kernel driver. How would I go and do such a thing? I'm currently doing a git sync of kernel.org, but I doubt I will be able to see the previous versions there.
[09:15] <apw> Matsy, the 4 number versions are not in linus' tree, they are in the stable trees.  we do produce unsupported builds of them however
[09:15] <apw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[09:17] <Matsy> Hm, okay. I can see it right there. I'm on 10.04 right now. Would I also need the -lucid package from the repository?
[09:18] <apw> yep
[09:23] <Matsy> Interesting enough, then!
[09:26] <Matsy> Oh, gah. Need to resize my virtual disk first. I knew I shouldn't have picked 18GB
[10:03] <lacostej> I reported, tracked and got kernel regression https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/86820 fixed upstream. It will only appear in 2.6.36. Any change we can backport this in 10.10's kernel ? I'am tired of backporting the change in my 10.04 custom kernels... Tanks
[10:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 86820 in linux-source-2.6.20 (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "touchpad doesn't work after suspend (affects: 2) (dups: 2) (heat: 41)" [Medium,Won't fix]
[10:39] <ikepanhc> if we need to give some parameter to one module, can we write the parameter somewhere in /etc?
[10:43] <apw> ikepanhc, yep, /etc/moprobe.d/<newfile>
[10:44] <ikepanhc> eh...
[10:44] <ikepanhc> add file for myself?
[10:45] <ikepanhc> oh, I see it, write options there
[10:45] <ikepanhc> apw: thanks
[10:52] <apw> yeah you can make new files in there for your purpose
[10:57] <Matsy> Hm.
[10:58] <Matsy> Okay, the installation of <IP_ADDRESS> didn't quite work. :(
[10:58] <Matsy> Or at least, it's not giving me the result I would like.
[10:59] <Matsy> Apparently, it's saying: Kernel configuration is invalid, autoconf.h and auto.conf are missing. Run make olconfig && make prepare to fix it.
[10:59] <Matsy> But, those return 'error 2'
[11:00] <Matsy> So I'm not quite sure what to do here.
[11:02] <Matsy> The error the command make oldconfig && make prepare is giving me is as follows: make: *** No rule to make target `include/config/auto.conf', needed by `include/config/kernel.release'.  Stop.
[11:03] <Matsy> Any ideas?
[11:09] <Matsy> Oh, I managed to do it. Now, it's saying it cannot find modpost. Hm.
[11:15] <apw> Matsy, sorry not ever tried to build a module against those
[11:16] <Matsy> apw: Aw, thanks though. I'll just keep on trying.
[11:18] <Matsy> Oh no.
[11:18] <Matsy> I need <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:18] <Matsy> Darn.
[11:19] <Matsy> Flawed information is always nice.
[11:19] <apw> at least that version is also in the archive
[11:21] <Matsy> Yeah, that's true.
[11:21] <Matsy> But, no sources available, apparently?
[11:30] <Matsy> Gah, this is too complicated.
[11:34] <Matsy> I might be doing it very much wrong.
[11:34] <Matsy> All I want to do is download the <IP_ADDRESS> kernel, and compile it.
[11:45] <Matsy> Oh, gconfig did the job.
[11:49]  * apw wonders why you need that specific version
[11:50] <dionys> hi
[11:52] <apw> hi
[11:56] <dionys> having Ubuntu 10 - I'm running a very time critical task - how can I boot into no-Xwindows and give 99% scheduling to a single task?
[11:58] <dionys> I managed to compile rt/smp and set the highest rt priority for the task but it still gets interrupted too much
[12:01] <dionys> maybe the answer is running DOS but there must be a way to get linux into doing a single task apart from the kernel
[12:17] <dionys> booted into recovery root console does work for now
[12:18] <apw> dionys, how are you determining it is interrupted too much
[12:18] <apw> and what is your latency requirement ?
[12:19] <apw> thinks truly running at RT priority should be able to break the system by starving it of CPU
[12:20] <ogra> for x-less boot you just need to put "text" on the kernel cmdline btw
[12:49] <dionys> sorry I was away for lunch
[12:51] <dionys> as it appears I need to have 20micro seconds
[12:52] <dionys> if a program does a sleep(x) does the kernel come back after x or after x plus the time spend in other tasks?
[12:57] <dionys> I guess after experiencing these interrupts the kernel comes back after x plus the time spend on other tasks
[13:04] <dionys> apw: I determined the interruption by causing CPU load by moving windows and then experiencing more hickups to the program I'm running
[13:05] <apw> dionys, there is some jitter on how long later it comes back based on the scheduler, you would expect an RT process to have a lower latency there though as it is much higher priority
[13:09] <dionys> as I mentioned by running in a terminal window in recovery mode has taken away the interruptions
[13:10] <Matsy> Hm.
[13:10] <Matsy> Compiling the kernel is taking a long time. Are there any flags I can set to speed it up? I'm on a quad core system.
[13:14] <dionys> Matsy: a solution would be the break down the compiles into independent work units and give them to one workertask per core - which I don't think is implemented
[13:14] <Matsy> Hm.
[13:15] <Matsy> What'd the general compilation time be of a Linux kernel?
[13:16] <Matsy> On a Q6600 / 4GB ram
[13:16] <dionys> not the quantity of the ram is essential here but the ram timings
[13:18] <abogani> Matsy: -j8?
[13:18] <dionys> but maybe there is a way to make build units run in parallel on each core
[13:20] <Matsy> Oh
[13:20] <Matsy> Haha, thanks abogani
[13:21] <abogani> Matsy: You are welcome.
[13:22] <Matsy> Hm.
[13:22] <Matsy> I am building a kernel module
[13:22] <Matsy> But, when I try to load it, it can't load, saying Exec format error.
[13:22] <Matsy> I'm fairly certain that I am building it against the right kernel
[13:22] <Matsy> But, I am not quite sure what the error means
[13:23] <Matsy> Could it be because I am compiling it on a 64 bit machine, and that it is going to run on a 32 bit machine?
[13:31] <apw> Matsy, yes you need to build it in the right environment
[13:31] <apw> often that is a chroot with a 32 bit install in it
[13:33] <Matsy> hm.
[13:33] <Matsy> I can't use -m32 to build it?\
[13:36] <apw> you may be able, it wouldn't be guarenteed to be the same exact kernel as woudl be built in an chroot though
[13:36] <apw> Matsy, which kernel are you loading this module into btw ?
[13:37] <apw> as modules need to built against the kernel they are loaded into
[13:37] <Matsy> A custom kernel, it's a smartphone kernel.
[13:37] <Matsy> Makefile is pointing to the source of that one kernel.
[13:38] <Matsy> My phone is in sync with that kernel.
[13:38] <Matsy> But, when I try and do insmod module.ko, it presents me with that errors.
[13:38] <Matsy> *error
[13:38] <apw> you often need the same compiler they used to build the kernel too
[13:39] <Matsy> Same.. compiler as well?
[13:39] <Matsy> Hm.
[13:39] <apw> you do for an ubuntu kernel
[13:39] <Matsy> I don't know if they're included, let me see.
[13:41] <Matsy> Nope, no compilers included.
[13:41] <Matsy> Can't I force load this in any way?
[13:43] <abogani> Matsy: Don't you can ask to people have done that smartphone kernel? :-)
[13:43] <Matsy> No one has done this before, apparently.
[13:43] <Matsy> So it's a bit tricky ;)
[13:44] <Matsy> If I'm being a pain for asking here, please tell me, and I'll just look somewhere else.
[13:45] <Matsy> I will try #android-dev, though. Might be a bit more relevant indeed.
[14:58] <soren> How do you guys prefer patches? Back in the day, I would just push a git repo to Zinc, but since my affiliations changed, that's no longer possible :)
[15:12] <sidnei> hi folks, is anyone aware or working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/524281 ?
[15:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 524281 in linux-2.6 (Debian) (and 2 other projects) "Tens of wakes per second in "[kernel scheduler] Load balancing tick" on Core 2 Duo even with only 1 core enabled (affects: 104) (dups: 1) (heat: 638)" [Unknown,Incomplete]
[15:13] <sidnei> from searching around mailing lists, there are some reports that it's fixed in 2.6.36, so maybe it merits a backport of whatever patch was applied upstream.
[15:25] <abogani> soren: I suppose that they prefer git format-patch'ed...
[15:33] <ogra> apw, how about a new meta upload for omap4 (so we actually get the new kernel onto the images)
[15:33] <apw> ogra, can do shortly
[15:33]  * ogra hugs apw
[15:34] <ogra> thanks a lot ... i just wasted a day trying to find out whats wrong with the new kernel ... rsalveti just pointed out that we still use the old one
[15:34] <apw> doh
[15:34]  * ogra thinks with over 40 you need glasses :P
[15:36]  * rsalveti also hugs apw
[15:37] <apw> it'll take me a bit as my main dev box just wedged on X and i am trying to figure out why
[15:40] <apw> cking, heh i can hear you it seems through my X hang
[17:11] <apw> soren, email in a format-patch format patch to kernel-team@
[17:11] <apw> sidnei, we are aware, though noone has had a chance to go look for that patch yet
[17:11] <apw> if you find out w
[17:12] <apw> which patch it is do add it to the bug
[17:20] <sidnei> apw, ok, i'll try to find it
[17:41] <sidnei> apw, added some links to patches on linus tree that seem related to the bug
[17:41] <sidnei> apw, hope that helps
[17:41] <sidnei> apw, im candidate for trying out a ppa'd package with the fixes, since i can repro on my laptop
[17:46] <apw> ogra, hey ti-omap4 meta ... they already seem to be in sync ?
[17:48] <apw> oh ... hrm perhaps not ...
[17:58] <apw> ogra, ahh we had a bodge in there, new one uploaded, let me know if that doesn't work for you
[19:28] <apw> ogasawara, what you doing working
[19:43] <dupondje> No more mainline kernels ?
[19:45] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/604122
[19:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 604122 in linux (Ubuntu) "mmc0: Got command interrupt 0x00030000 even though no command operation was in progress. (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[19:45] <dupondje> seem to occur again :(
[21:24] <patman023> hey guys, brand new laptop, and I can't boot any kernel above 2.6.31.x, ideas as to what to look for?
[22:14] <nxvl> hello, the latest maverick kernel wouldn't boot on my toshiba nb205 netbook, what information do you need in the bug report?
[22:15] <nxvl> it boots normaly with 2.6.35-17 boots normally, but -19 wouldn't boot
[22:55] <apw> nxvl, file a bug with the working kernel and whatever output you can get from the broken one
[23:16] <patman023> hey guys, brand new laptop, and I can't boot any kernel above 2.6.31.x, ideas as to what to look for?


[00:04] <falken_> If I run glxinfo | grep direct on the console I get the following:
[00:04] <falken_> X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)
[00:04] <falken_>   Major opcode of failed request:  135 (GLX)
[00:04] <falken_>   Minor opcode of failed request:  19 (X_GLXQueryServerString)
[00:04] <falken_>   Serial number of failed request:  12
[00:04] <falken_>   Current serial number in output stream:  12
[00:30] <falken_> ok goodnight all, got to go.
[01:36] <Space-Duck> Is it possible to make applications open in the same position they were closed in? Or something similar?
[01:36] <Space-Duck> I have dual monitors, and I like my web browser on the right... it always opens on the left though.
[02:06] <yrg> knome, thank you. :)
[02:48] <juggler> I was trying to download the iso image via torrent, but it sems that the tracker was down. Can anyone else access the tracker?
[02:53] <ToZ> juggler, yes I can access it. downloading now.
[02:53] <juggler> Toz: I could download the torrent file, but the program could not access the tracker
[02:54] <ToZ> juggler: I'm access tracker fine (http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969). Can you access other torrent trackers?
[02:55] <juggler> toz: ok hey.... it is working now, I feel kinda silly
[02:55] <ToZ> juggler: maybe a hiccup?
[02:56] <juggler> toz: well let me rephrase that, I can access the announce page, but my program (utorrent) is still having trouble let me fiddle with it some more...
[02:57] <juggler> before I couldn't even access the announce page
[03:03] <juggler> toz: I still can't get it working (every one in a while, the annouce page does not load), so I am just going to download it directly, thanks for your help
[03:10] <Lomax> Hello everyone! I've just finished upgrading to 11.10 (from 10.04) and it's great in many ways - but the UI appears very squished up with very little separation between text and menu items. How can I increase the "padding" in the UI?
[03:10] <asterismo> hi people
[03:11] <asterismo> i have an issue with the radiance theme (appearently the only one that supports gtk3 apps like evolution)
[03:11] <asterismo> i would like to fix some ugly colors in the window buttons applet in the xfce panel
[03:11] <asterismo> i could send a screenshot
[03:12] <asterismo> is someone familiar with editing applets colors?
[03:24] <asterismo> anyone?
[04:34] <Lomax> Hello everyone! I've just finished upgrading to 11.10 (from 10.04) and it's great in many ways - but the UI appears very squished up with very little separation between text and menu items. How can I increase the "padding" in the UI?
[07:14] <homebrewcider> hi all, new installation of xubuntu 11.04, hd6670 vid card, lcd monitor shows up as crt. when you put 16 x 9 resolutions in, it goes way over screen, but with 4 x 3 res in, it stretches to fill the screen which looks wrong
[07:16] <Sysi> press autoconfiguration button on your screen or try 16:10?
[07:18] <homebrewcider> hmm, autoconfiguration button?
[07:19] <Sysi> most screens have it, usually labelled "AUTO"
[07:20] <homebrewcider> on my monitor?
[07:20] <Sysi> yes
[07:21] <homebrewcider> doesn't have it
[07:25] <homebrewcider> thanks, might have fixed it some other way, hmmm, not sure
[07:25] <homebrewcider> thanks anyway for the effort
[07:27] <homebrewcider> ok, resolution seems to be okay. just can't get it recognised through dvi, set "detect displays" but doesn't show up
[07:57] <ball> homebrewcider: Perhaps you're using a 16:9 mode that is too large for your screen?
[07:57] <ball> homebrewcider: Which modes have you tried?
[08:04] <homebrewcider> 16:10 is on now, all good as I said, dvi is the problem now
[08:07] <ball> Why is DVI a problem?
[08:08] <ball> Oh I see.  Do you know the native size of your screen?
[08:09] <homebrewcider> 1680x1050
[08:09] <stochastic> hi, my window borders have disappeared on my new laptop after installing the 3rd-party nvidia drivers.  Unity and Gnome both have window borders appearing.
[08:09] <ball> Gosh, that's a big 'un.
[08:11] <Sysi> stochastic: we only know xfce :/
[08:11] <Sysi> oh, misunderstood
[08:11] <stochastic> Sysi, sorry, the xfce window borders are the ones not there
[08:11] <Sysi> xfwm4 --replace
[08:12] <stochastic> aahhh, thanks, that works
[08:12] <stochastic> should I expect that behaviour be required on every login?
[08:13] <Sysi> no, but you maybe should save session on next logout
[08:14] <stochastic> cool, thanks.
[08:14] <stochastic> oh, Sysi, what's your current xfce theme?
[08:15] <Sysi> greybird
[08:15] <stochastic> cool
[08:16] <Sysi> nicest gtk2+3 one
[10:02] <plasticdoc> Hello all. Is there a way to auto-center the bottom launcher after defining it as 100% length ?
[10:03] <well_laid_lawn> I haven't found a way yet
[10:05] <TheSheep> you can put a separator on each side and set it to autoexpand
[10:05] <plasticdoc> So in order to have centered contents the the bottom launcher must be kept small and with auto length checked?
[11:19] <falken_> Hi all
[11:19] <falken_> Can someone help me with an OpenGL / Xubuntu problem?
[11:20] <well_laid_lawn> falken_: depends on what the problem is
[11:20] <falken_> :) OK here it is:
[11:21] <falken_> Since upgrading to the newest xubuntu release opengl is not working for me at all. Is there any control panel for it I can tweak? I'm using  an RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M] on a toshiba satellite with the latest xubuntu release
[11:22] <falken_> Open GL xscreensavers not working, or any other software that requires openGL. (e.g. GNUbik does not open at all when launched)
[11:24] <well_laid_lawn> seems there's some issues with ati cards and the recent kernels from what I've seen lately - I don't use ati tho
[11:25] <falken_> Yeah it's a pity. Do you know if it's something that's likely to be fixed?
[11:26] <falken_> Is it any clue to my problem that when I run "glxinfo | grep direct" in the console I get the following:
[11:26] <falken_> BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)
[11:26] <falken_>   Major opcode of failed request:  135 (GLX)
[11:26] <falken_>   Minor opcode of failed request:  19 (X_GLXQueryServerString)
[11:26] <falken_>   Serial number of failed request:  12
[11:26] <falken_>   Current serial number in output stream:  12
[11:27] <knome> !pastebin | falken_
[11:28] <falken_> ok sorry - total noob here
[11:41] <well_laid_lawn> not having glx working isn't good falken_
[11:42] <falken_> yeah i know, it's bad :(
[11:43] <well_laid_lawn> falken_: which driver are you using ?
[11:44] <falken_> I don't know. That's part of the problem.
[11:44] <falken_> Like I said, is there a control panel or something I can look at for graphics driver?
[11:46] <well_laid_lawn> I always use intel - there should be a proprietry driver option in the menu iirc
[11:46] <well_laid_lawn> maybe an ati user could give a clue...
[11:46] <falken_> What do you mean by "menu iirc"?
[11:47] <falken_> Sorry, total noobcake here when it comes to xubuntu
[11:49] <TheSheep> falken_: "iirc" means "if I remember correctly"
[11:50] <TheSheep> falken_: you should have an option in system->hardware drivers
[11:50] <TheSheep> or something like that
[11:55] <falken_> I have been trying to post a screengrab - but anyway: I do not have Hardware Drivers listed in the System menu
[11:55] <falken_> Is it somewhere else?
[11:58] <falken_> Here is my menu: http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1690/screentn.png
[12:16] <ablomen> falken_, settings => additional drivers
[12:17] <falken_> I have used that wizard already and it just brings up a suggested driver download for a software modem. :(
[12:19] <falken_> Is there a xorg control panel I can access?
[12:20] <falken_> Or does oneric even use xorg ?? :)
[12:30] <falken_> hi all, anyone home?
[12:31] <falken_> I'm looking for help with an opengl issue - it's simply not working after i upgraded from lynx to oscelot
[12:31] <falken_> Is there somewhere I can change video card drivers?
[12:32] <falken_> OR edit settings? LIke a xorg control panel?
[12:35] <ablomen> falken_, do you have an nvidia card?
[12:36] <falken_> no ati
[12:36] <ablomen> oh ok, sorry can't help you then
[12:36] <falken_> I'm using  an RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M] on a toshiba satellite with the latest xubuntu release
[12:37] <ablomen> there might be some help here >> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto/ATI
[12:37] <falken_> thank you very much i will look here...
[13:34] <sutija> hi guys
[13:34] <sutija> i need one important question to ask
[13:34] <sutija> Does anybody knows how to fix battery issue in xubuntu 10.04
[13:35] <sutija> installed on EEEPC 4G SURF.
[13:35] <sutija> It shows me good info about percent
[13:35] <sutija> but it' s buggy with time
[13:36] <sutija> anyone? :/
[13:41] <TheSheep> sutija: you just need to give it some time to calibrate
[13:42] <sutija> thanks
[13:43] <falken_> Hi all. I've just realised I don't have the /etc/X11/xorg.conf  file on my system. Does Ocelot not use Xorg? I have xorg installed when i look in software centre.
[13:48] <TheSheep> falken_: it uses xorg.conf when it's present, but by default it just autodetects all settings
[13:48] <TheSheep> !xorg.conf
[13:48] <TheSheep> hmm
[13:48] <dirtycookie> hello people,
[13:49] <dirtycookie> i editited my fstab file so that it mounts a HD automatically, which it did, but how do i get an icon onto the desktop?
[13:50] <falken_> The result I get when I run that in console is "sudo: /etc/init.d/?dm: command not found"
[13:51] <TheSheep> falken_: I didn't tell you to run any commands
[13:51] <falken_> Oh sorry that was an automatice respose from ubottu I think. I'm a noobcake you see. :)
[13:52] <falken_> response
[13:52] <TheSheep> falken_: I was hoping that it would link to an article explaining about xorg.conf, but it didn't sorry
[13:52] <TheSheep> falken_: there was a wiki page that explained it nicely
[13:52] <falken_> Is there any control panel for xorg I can change settings on? My only problem is that OpenGL is not working at all.
[13:53] <TheSheep> falken_: anyways, if you need to modify any settings, you can just create that file and put whatever you want to change in it
[13:53] <TheSheep> falken_: no control panel
[13:54] <falken_> This is true, but I am very new to all this and would be much happier in editing the text in an already existing file.
[13:54] <falken_> like the xorg.conf I was looking for :(
[13:55] <falken_> Strage thing is: OPenGL worked very well in Lynx, but now not at all in Ocelot.
[13:55] <falken_> Strange
[13:56] <dirtycookie> i editited my fstab file so that it mounts a HD automatically, which it did, but how do i get an icon onto the desktop?
[13:56] <falken_> I am going to switch to gnome on startup and see if it is working in this...
[13:56] <falken_> dirtycookie: I could be wrong, but did you try to right click the desktop and create a launcher?
[13:57] <falken_> I know you should probably see it automatically, but this could be a workaround
[13:57] <falken_> bye all
[13:59] <dirtycookie> falken_: no but wouldnt the OS automatically put that on my desktop?
[14:05] <aLeSD> hi all
[14:05] <aLeSD> does compiz make your desktop faster ?
[14:06] <dirtycookie> aLeSD: no not really
[14:06] <knome> no.
[14:06] <aLeSD> ok
[14:06] <knome> it makes your desktop slower.
[14:09] <dirtycookie> aLeSD: it is only an eyecandy to make it look fancier like win7, if you are a slow or old machine then turn it off if you have the feeling that is laggy
[15:56] <dirtycookie> hello people, i have installed the latest version of xubuntu onto my eeePC successfully, but i have a little problem. I have a 4gb onboard flash that is being mounted not by the fstab file, i changed that by adding an entry like the link here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/733191/
[15:56] <dirtycookie>  I restarted the system and then i noticed that it mounted the fs but didnt link it to the desktop
[16:21] <aLeSD> is there something li rhytmbox for lubuntu ?
[16:25] <Sysi> dirtycookie: drag the folder you mounted it to to desktop
[16:26] <falken_> dirtycookie, did my solution earlier not work, to create a launcher?
[16:26] <Sysi> or maybe that doesn't work for creating links.. (IDK, I like my desktop empty)
[16:26] <dirtycookie> falken_: no it didnt
[16:27] <falken_> ok, sorry it didn't work out.
[16:28] <dirtycookie> Sysi: i dragged it to my desktop but it seems that it makes a copy of it
[16:29] <Sysi> launcher should work, command would be like "thunar /path/to/file"
[16:29] <dirtycookie> Sysi: ok ill try that
[16:29] <falken_> what if you rightclick it and select "Send to desktop (create link)"
[16:31] <dirtycookie> falken_: one sec
[16:32] <dirtycookie> falken_: ur suggestion went also good
[16:32] <dirtycookie> thx
[16:33] <falken_> cool
[16:33] <falken_> turns out a complete noob is of some use to you! :)
[16:34] <falken_> Now you must fix my OpenGL issue :)
[16:34] <beuntje> Hi, there, i'm having problems connecting my BCM4313 to my wireless network. Can someone help me?
[16:38] <StormStrikes> I have a Dell Inspiron 1750 that when plugged into power and I shut down, it immediately reboots.  When on battery, it shuts down properly with no reboot.  Any suggestions or things I can check?
[16:40] <beuntje> Does someone knows how to get connected to WLAN with a BCM4313? I see my wireless, but i can not get assosiated to my AP.
[16:41] <Sysi> beuntje: have you installed driver with "Additional drivers"? if not, try that
[16:42] <beuntje> I yust did a clean install, i will install now the Broadcom STA drivers from the additional hardware.
[16:42] <gage_bw> Does Xubuntu have a USB stick installation option like Ubuntu does?
[16:43] <Sysi> yes
[16:43] <falken_> Since upgrading to the newest xubuntu release opengl is not working for me at all. Is there any control panel for it I can tweak? I'm using  an RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M] on a toshiba satellite with the latest xubuntu release
[16:43] <Sysi> unetbootin/usb-creator work for xubuntu as well
[16:44] <Sysi> falken_: see and maybe pastebin your ~/.xsession-errors
[16:44] <falken_> ok will try thanks sysi
[16:45] <gage_bw> Great, thanks, Sysi.
[16:45] <gage_bw> I've forgotten how automated those are, going to check them out
[16:46] <beuntje> Sysi: The STA driver seems enabled. but still the same issue
[16:46] <falken_> Sysi: http://paste.ubuntu.com/733252/
[16:49] <falken_> Does that help Sysi?
[16:50] <beuntje> Sysi: seems that after a connection try, the network is hanging...
[16:52] <gage_bw> Sysi: The UNetbootin page says "Note that resulting USB drives are bootable only on PCs (not on Macs)."  This is obviously kind of confusing.
[16:53] <gage_bw> I want to install it over ubuntu 8.10; i had planned on wiping the HD
[16:54] <gage_bw> (screwy mac hardware, oh well)
[16:54] <gage_bw> Going to get this done
[16:55] <Sysi> mac from usb is tougher cookie, apple officially only supports booting apple software from usb
[16:55] <Sysi> falken_: well, not errors there
[16:57] <falken_> So OpenGL is working?
[16:58] <falken_> When I used Lucid Lunx OpenGL worked fine, but now it does not work at all. OpenGL screensavers not available, and opengl reliant software like Stellarium, Earth, or GNUbik do not launchat all.
[16:59] <falken_> I mean that now I have updated to Ocelot it does not work at all.
[17:37] <gage_bw> Hmm
[17:38] <gage_bw> This drive already has 8.10 bootable. Let's hope it doesn't install too many files.
[17:54] <craigbass1976> There are two user accounts on this box.  Ed is who is usually logged in.  Craig doesn't login via the login screen, but needs to fire up thunderbird and chromium every so often, and does this via ssh -Y craig@localhost app-name  Is there a better way?
[17:55] <craigbass1976> Also, even though chromium is set to be the default browser, whenever a link is clicked in thunderbird, firefox starts up
[17:58] <craigbass1976> I changed Ed's default browser to chromium just to see what happened; no difference
[18:02] <falken_> try going into Setings>Settings Manager> Preferred Applications and setting it there to be Chromium
[18:02] <falken_> I had a similar issue and it worked for me.
[18:05] <craigbass1976> Is there a way to fire up settings manager as craig when ed is logged in?  We've only got one computer here where the poin tof sale actully runs right, and it's the one I'm griping about...
[18:08] <craigbass1976> it's xfce4-settings-manager, but chromium is already the default
[18:23] <puff> I keep missing those little popup messages in the corner of my screen.  Is there any way to review them, view a log of them, etc.
[20:42] <xubuntu547> i'm having problems installing xubuntu ... anyone on to help?
[20:44] <xubuntu547> a quick run down ... i am running the installer now and i have tried 3 times now ... i get some error saying some files weren't copied to the installation and when i reboot it gives me comand prompt looks like a restore .. don't remember what it says
[20:44] <xubuntu547> can't boot up unless i put the cd back in
[20:44] <well_laid_lawn> did you do the iso and cd check?
[20:45] <well_laid_lawn> !md5
[20:45] <xubuntu547> dind't return an error
[20:45] <xubuntu547> yes
[20:45] <well_laid_lawn> k
[20:46] <xubuntu547> ah ok ... that sucks then cuz i didn't do the checksum and now i have no OS on my comp haha ... i'm hoping it will work this time
[20:46] <well_laid_lawn> it's hard to say what the issue could be but it sounds like you end up at a grub prompt
[20:47] <xubuntu547> i dind't think to do the checksum cuz i have installed ubuntu and kubuntu without probs until xubuntu ... trying them all
[20:47] <xubuntu547> yeah that is what the prompt was
[20:48] <well_laid_lawn> you should be able to fix that from the live cd - this link is useful
[20:48] <well_laid_lawn> !grub
[20:48] <well_laid_lawn> that's if the cd is ok
[20:50] <xubuntu547> ok thanks i'll see if that works if/when this installation fails
[20:51] <well_laid_lawn> luck
[20:53] <xubuntu547> thanks ... if all else fails i guess i'll just reinstall ubuntu and redownload the iso and checksum before putting on cd this time ... of the 3 i have tried i like the xfce workspace best
[20:54] <well_laid_lawn> it is nice :)
[20:55] <xubuntu547> i find it funny that i tried ubuntu in 2008 and i couldn't get the hang of it ... now i just started trying linux again a few days ago and i am catching on rather quick this time
[20:55] <gage_bw> Did you try to avoid the command line the first time?
[20:56] <gage_bw> (just curious)
[20:56] <xubuntu547> the biggest part i don't like about it is my netflix and my ipod
[20:56] <azo> how to desactivate grid icon of xfce ? plz
[20:56] <well_laid_lawn> afaik netflix is not going to work but ipods should be ok
[20:56] <well_laid_lawn> !ipod
[20:57] <xubuntu547> not sure what you mean by that gage ... when it reboots it says it goes straight to the prompt without even showing grub
[20:58] <well_laid_lawn> a handy trick in linux
[20:58] <well_laid_lawn> !tab
[20:58] <mnemoc> hi, in 11.10, do you know the package name to get "gnome" mixer in xubuntu? (xfce's is kind of.... primitive)
[20:58] <xubuntu547> i have tried everything i have read up on the ipod thing but i have nano 6th gen (the newest one) and won't sync
[20:58] <gage_bw> xubuntu547: I meant the first time you tried ubuntu, sorry.
[20:59] <well_laid_lawn> azo: you don't want the icons on the desktop to be arranged?
[21:00] <xubuntu547> gage_bw: i was only 18/19 then and was too used to windows to try something new and got frustrated too easily so i gave up within a matter of hours :P
[21:00] <mnemoc> installing gnome-alsamixer alone gives me a binary that segfaults :-/
[21:00] <azo> well_laid_lawn, Yes
[21:01] <holstein> you should see how long it takes me to get frustrated with windows ;)
[21:01] <gage_bw_> Ugh
[21:01] <holstein> xubuntu547: i could find the guy in my LUG that did an ipod sycing presentation
[21:01] <gage_bw_> Everything so far led me to believe that I *wouldn't* need 4GB to install xubuntu!
[21:02] <gage_bw_> Did I just waste a few hours? D:
[21:02] <xubuntu547> well it seems it installed properly this time (i changed a couple settings and manually partitioned my HDDS this time and i dind't get any errors
[21:03] <gage_bw_> It says "for best results", and the orb next to it is green, so I guess I'm okay.
[21:03] <xubuntu547> and of course now i have to get ready for work ... perfect timing i guess haha
[21:04] <xubuntu547> thanks for your help guys
[21:04] <well_laid_lawn> azo: I don't know if you can sorry
[21:05] <azo> it's a options of xfce or thunar ?
[21:06] <puff> I keep missing those little popup messages in the corner of my screen.  Is there any way to review them, view a log of them, or something?
[21:07] <well_laid_lawn> mnemoc: have a look at this - http://bapoumba.wordpress.com/2008/01/04/add-gnome-applets-to-the-xfce-panel/
[21:08] <well_laid_lawn> puff: in the settings-manager - notifications you can increase the timeout
[21:08] <mnemoc> well_laid_lawn: thanks
[21:08] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[21:08] <gage_bw> ubuntu 8.10 gave me some partitions, but I'm not sure why
[21:09] <gage_bw> There's no particular reason to have more than one partition if I'm not dual booting, is there?
[21:09] <well_laid_lawn> maybe one for swap
[21:10] <gage_bw> What's that again?
[21:10] <well_laid_lawn> swap is hard disk space to be used when memory is running short
[21:10] <xubuntu412> hello, can someone tell me a nice tool for incremental backup my system (with a nice GUI please ;-)
[21:10] <well_laid_lawn> !backup
[21:11] <gage_bw> Oh, of course, swap. I wasn't aware it used partitions, though.
[21:11] <gage_bw> This is a low-RAM system. What happens if I don't make a partition?
[21:11] <xubuntu412> thats nice thx well_laid, i take a look
[21:11] <well_laid_lawn> it's normally a partition - useful for hibernation/suspend too
[21:12] <gage_bw> It seems like the installer should take care of that stuff for me
[21:12] <gage_bw> What should I do *during* installation, then?
[21:12] <well_laid_lawn> it will if you choose automatic partitioning iirc
[21:13] <gage_bw> well_laid_lawn: I'll tell you what I see:
[21:13] <well_laid_lawn> I always have a /, home and swap partition
[21:13]  * well_laid_lawn is making a coffee
[21:14] <gage_bw> I clicked 'delete 8.10 and install 11.10'
[21:14] <gage_bw> It says Select drive at the top, then 'The entire disk will be used'
[21:14] <gage_bw> There's an *advanced* partitioning tool, is this the automatic one you spoke of?
[21:15] <homebrewcider> hi there, changed the resolution via the amdcccle, but resolution changes aren't saved on reboot
[21:17] <puff> well_laid_lawn: thanks.
[21:17] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[21:18] <well_laid_lawn> gage_bw: the advanced option is for you to set the number of partitions and size
[21:18] <puff> well_laid_lawn: hm, seems to be set to 10 seconds... they seem to disappear faster.  Perhaps because I'm usually typing something when they pop up?
[21:18] <gage_bw> well_laid_lawn: Will I need the advanced option to have a swap?
[21:19] <well_laid_lawn> gage_bw: it's been ages since I used that but from what I remember no
[21:19] <gage_bw> well_laid_lawn: Okay, I'm going to continue and assume it won't screw me =D
[21:19] <well_laid_lawn> luck
[21:20] <gage_bw> thanks
[21:20] <well_laid_lawn> puff: as a guess you might have slow graphics/cpu and it takes a couple of seconds to get drawn
[21:20] <well_laid_lawn> that's a guess tho
[21:22] <puff> well_laid_lawn: thinkpad t520 using on-board intel graphics (fscking nvdia...)
[21:22] <gage_bw> some font weirdness in the installer
[21:23] <well_laid_lawn> puff: all I can suggest is to increase the timeout a bit...
[21:23] <gage_bw> 's' and 'e' are cut off at the bottom, only the top half of 'x' shows.  I doubt it'll happen once installed, but I wonder if they're aware.
[21:24] <well_laid_lawn> gage_bw: probably due to running the livecd on a slow comp
[21:24] <gage_bw> Interesting...
[21:26] <puff> well_laid_lawn: Cool, thanks again.
[21:26] <well_laid_lawn> :)
[21:26] <gage_bw> I usually used gedit rather than a terminal editor. is there an xfce-based alternative?
[21:27] <Sysi> mousepad/leafpad/geany
[21:27] <gage_bw> gnome stuff runs with perhaps a few artifacts, doesn't it?
[21:27] <well_laid_lawn> shouldn't do
[21:27] <gage_bw> it shouldn't work?
[21:28] <well_laid_lawn> artifacts are graphic driver related not app related
[21:28] <gage_bw> perhaps i used the wrong term
[21:28] <Sysi> should run without flaws
[21:32] <gage_bw> I sure hope 'quiet boot' is on by default...
[21:32]  * gage_bw crosses fingers
[21:33] <well_laid_lawn> it should use "quiet splash"
[21:34] <gage_bw> I didn't see anything so far. I'll remove the USB drive( even though I already gave priority back to the hdd ) and try again
[21:36] <gage_bw> Blinking cursor in the top left. This could be bad. Heading to google.
[21:39] <gage_bw> It can't possibly take 5 minutes to boot. Something went wrong.
[21:54] <well_laid_lawn> gage_bw: when does the blinking cursor show ?
[21:54] <gage_bw> well_laid_lawn: I don't see GRUB any more
[21:54] <gage_bw> if I had a video camera i could see what it said
[21:55] <well_laid_lawn> grub might be set to be hidden
[21:55] <gage_bw> yeah
[21:55] <well_laid_lawn> hold the shift key after the bios post
[21:55] <gage_bw> after? can I hold it the whole time?
[21:55] <well_laid_lawn> sure
[21:56] <gage_bw> no change
[21:56] <well_laid_lawn> you did do the iso/cd check?
[21:57] <gage_bw> check the livecd for errors? no
[21:58] <well_laid_lawn> always do that - sux to find out there was a bad burn after an install...
[21:58] <gage_bw> I've never been 100% sure on how that works
[21:59] <well_laid_lawn> click on the live cd menu entry for the cd check
[21:59] <well_laid_lawn> it's pretty easy
[21:59] <gage_bw> When putting the .iso on the USB drive, does it not check for bad blocks(or whatever) then?
[22:00] <well_laid_lawn> I never use a usb for an install so can't say - you need to check the downloaded iso before transferring it
[22:00] <well_laid_lawn> !md5
[22:02] <gage_bw> to check for a bad download, then?
[22:02] <well_laid_lawn> yep
[22:03] <gage_bw> well_laid_lawn: The image check didn't report anything. I looked away for a second and it was done.
[22:03] <well_laid_lawn> ok
[22:04] <gage_bw> 'press any key to restart'
[22:04] <gage_bw> Should I still md5 check?
[22:04] <well_laid_lawn> you might need to repeatedly hit the shift key from near the end of the bios post to try and get the grub menu up
[22:05] <well_laid_lawn> if the live cd check passed you should be ok
[22:06] <gage_bw> I'm using my "Test your might" skills on the shift key. Nothing different.
[22:07] <gage_bw> Unless you think I should move the stick over here and check the md5, I'm going to try booting into xubuntu from the stick
[22:10] <well_laid_lawn> ok
[22:16] <gage_bw> wb. i have successfully booted from the usb
[22:18] <gage_bw> No internet access, though
[22:18] <gage_bw> surely it can autodetect nearby access points
[22:29] <gage_bw> wondering if 11.04 would have the same problem
[22:31] <gage_bw> Oh, the up and down arrows are the connections apparently
[22:31] <gage_bw> no hover info ...
[22:33] <gage_bw> installation take 2
[22:42] <gage_bw> The installer has detected that the following disks have mounted partitions:  /dev/sda
[22:42] <gage_bw> Is this the very USB I'm installing from?
[22:43] <gage_bw> (therefore, should I click "No", 'don't unmount' ?)
[22:54] <zus> is there a way to save notes in xfce-notes? or does it auto save? how do i recall my notes after i close em?
[22:56] <zus> also is there a "force-quit" applet  like in ubuntu for the  pannel?
[22:57] <gage_bw> like in gnome? i sure hope so. I'm in the middle of installing xubuntu myself
[22:57] <zus> i like  xubuntu a lot and  am wondering daily  why havent i got  here before
[22:58] <gage_bw> i'm upgrading because 8.10 isn't supported any more, and I was having trouble installing up-to-date versions of things
[22:59] <zus> im working out the notes bit as we speak...
[23:02] <zus> im not getting tinto the panel... i see a smartbookmark applet... this  looks like itll be helpfull
[23:03] <gage_bw> first install didn't work. This time, I booted from the USB stick, then started the installation from within xubuntu
[23:06] <zus> gage_bw,  i dont see a kill all app, BUT i have right clicked on a "stuck" window and got something similar....but ubuntu's is much better imo.
[23:07] <gage_bw> depends which ubuntu you mean
[23:07] <gage_bw> gnome in earlier ones, unity now
[23:08] <zus> well by ubuntu i did mean gnome, sorry. i forget to specify
[23:10] <gage_bw> apt configuration problem
[23:10] <gage_bw> "An attempt to configure apt to install additional packages from the CD failed."
[23:11] <gage_bw> It says it's complete, but does the message still indicate a problem?
[23:11] <zus> that i dont know.
[23:11] <gage_bw> If it goes the same way, I'll boot to a flashing cursor and nothing else
[23:11] <holstein> zus: see if http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1199668.html is still relavant
[23:12] <zus> holstein,  hey bud.
[23:12] <holstein> o/
[23:12] <holstein> yeah, adding a shortcut and putting xkill in it works
[23:12] <holstein> you can put that on the panel it you need
[23:13] <zus> creating my own kill-all app in a sense?
[23:13] <holstein> not really
[23:13] <holstein> just making a custom shortcut to xkill
[23:13] <zus> applet*
[23:13] <holstein> yeah, creating your own little applet for it
[23:14] <zus> how ya been?
[23:15] <holstein> not bad... working a lot, which is fine with me :)
[23:15] <holstein> and you?
[23:15] <zus> i wish i can work alot
[23:15] <zus> had an interesting phone call the other night, about doing my  old  blog talk radio show,
[23:16] <holstein> sounds like fun
[23:18] <zus> and some friends are talking about doing an arch based distro... so i have a butt ton of reading and learning!
[23:32] <gage_bw> o.o
[23:33] <gage_bw> Is that intentional?...
[23:33] <gage_bw> I've seen a monitor go white from the edges, or from the center, before.
[23:34] <gage_bw> The good news is that xubuntu seems to be booting this time. I'm just a tiny bit concerned about my screen.
[23:34] <gage_bw> I hope it's doing some first-boot stuff, because it's taking a while.
[23:38] <gage_bw> At least it's keeping things interesting, failing in new and unexpected ways.
[23:43] <gage_bw> Yep.
[23:44] <gage_bw> The blue 'forest with sunbeams' splash screen with the progress/loading bar bouncing back and forth. It's been at least 5 minutes. Anyone seen this? Any ideas?
[23:55] <EdgEy>  /j #math
[23:55] <EdgEy> sorry :)


[10:22] <corecode> hi
[10:22] <corecode> did something change with the automatic partitioner?
[10:22] <corecode> it somehow only assigned 3.9GB ot /
[10:22] <corecode> to*
[10:27] <corecode> and 24GB to swap -_-
[10:37] <corecode> 100% 512 200% linux-swap
[10:37] <corecode> :/
[10:37] <corecode> not good for machines with 32GB of ram
[10:42] <cjwatson> argue with bug 345126 :-/
[10:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 345126 in partman-auto "Installer creates too small swap partition (hibernation fails)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/345126
[10:43] <cjwatson> I don't know how to satisfy your requirement and that one at the same time, without artificial intelligence
[10:43] <cjwatson> though I certainly acknowledge the problem and it would help if it were recorded somewhere more permanent than IRC
[10:51] <corecode> ah, that's for hibernation
[10:52] <corecode> mhm
[10:58] <corecode> i can't find the partman recipe documentation
[11:02] <cjwatson> corecode: doc/devel/partman-auto-recipe.txt in the debian-installer source package
[11:04] <corecode> yea, just that the source is so well hidden that it is almost impossible to find
[11:04] <corecode> http://debian.ues.edu.sv/compartidos/neozerosv/ciberues/partman-auto-recipe.txt helped me out
[11:04] <corecode> let's see how that works now
[12:37] <corecode> what could be the reason that lvcreate hangs in "semtim" when running in target?
[13:04] <corecode> cjwatson: is udev working in /target?
[13:06] <cjwatson> not as such during the installer, no, although /dev is bind-mounted to /target/dev most of the time
[13:15] <corecode> i see
[13:15] <corecode> i tried to do some lvm stuff that fails because udev is not available
[13:15] <corecode> hmm
[13:42] <corecode> http://pastebin.com/Tu91pyGF
[13:42] <corecode> now, how do i fix this?
[13:42] <corecode> either get udev running for target
[13:43] <corecode> or do lvm stuff outside
[14:02] <cjwatson> corecode: maybe do mount --bind /dev /target/dev; ...; umount /target/dev around whatever you're doing
[14:59] <corecode> lvcreate --config 'activation {udev_sync = 0}' ...
[14:59] <corecode> :)
[14:59] <corecode> hidden gems
[18:13] <Jemt> Hello. Any chance one of you knows how to change the background image in Ubiquity? It seems to be using the default wallpaper from /usr/share/background/warty-final-ubuntu.png. However, I would like to simply apply a solid background color, and perhaps use a smaller centered image if possible.


[02:01] <nhaines> It's meeting time!
[02:01] <carbonzero> hey hey! I'm here and ready!
[02:01] <nhaines> Is anyone in attendance?
[02:01] <carbonzero> Oh yeah!! Right here, nathan!
[02:01] <nhaines> carbonzero: good to see you!
[02:01] <carbonzero> nhaines: good to see you as well brother!
[02:02] <nhaines> #startmeeting
[02:02] <nhaines> Welcome to the Ubuntu California meeting for March 17th, 2019!
[02:02] <nhaines> Tonight's agenda is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/19March17
[02:02] <nhaines> #topic Upcoming events
[02:03] <nhaines> Ubuntu 19.04 is due for release on April 18th!  That's four weeks away.
[02:04] <carbonzero> wow! I can't believe this development cycle's almost over already.
[02:04] <nhaines> It goes by fast!
[02:04] <carbonzero> I know right?
[02:04] <nhaines> Now's the perfect time to test the ISOs, maybe in a virtual machine, maybe on a spare computer!
[02:05] <nhaines> And while you're doing that, make sure to vote on the community wallpaper selection that will be included at launch: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-19-04-disco-dingo-community-wallpaper-competition-vote-here/10224
[02:05] <nhaines> #topic Announcements
[02:05] <carbonzero> Absolutely.
[02:05] <nhaines> Any announcements for the next month?
[02:05] <carbonzero> Nothing from my part of the desert. lol
[02:06] <nhaines> Nothing here either.  :)
[02:06] <nhaines> Time for the agenda, then.
[02:06] <carbonzero> Sounds good.
[02:06] <nhaines> #topic SCALE 17x wrapup thoughts
[02:07] <nhaines> UbuCon went very well!  We had nice attendance for all advertised talks, and good attendance for the last-minute ones.
[02:07] <carbonzero> Awesome!
[02:07] <nhaines> Next year we plan on starting and finalizing things much earlier on, although we're limited by SCALE's call-for-papers schedule because they host us and our talks.
[02:08] <nhaines> On to the Ubuntu booth!
[02:08] <nhaines> The booth went just fine, thanks mainly to George Mulak and carbonzero who bravely volunteered to greet the masses of people who came by to talk Ubuntu.  :)
[02:09] <carbonzero> nhaines: you're welcome! I look forward to next year, too.
[02:09] <carbonzero> It was a blast getting to do that with you and George.
[02:09] <nhaines> carbonzero: thanks a ton for being there.  Friday was a huge success, thanks to you!
[02:10] <nhaines> We saw that Friday had a lot more traffic than usual, and Saturday was a lot quieter but a lot more steady than in past years.  Sunday was the usual desert.  :)
[02:10] <carbonzero> nhaines: aww shucks! You're welcome, nhaines.
[02:10] <nhaines> Are there any suggestions for how to improve things next year?
[02:11] <carbonzero> nhaines: the one improvement I can see is me being able to demonstrate Ubuntu Studio controls on actual equipment.
[02:11] <carbonzero> We had a great setup but man, I was totally bummed out over that.
[02:13] <carbonzero> Not sure if that qualifies for an improvement but definitely something to shoot for next year.
[02:14] <nhaines> We can count that!
[02:14] <nhaines> This year, we only had a single booth space so we dropped the secondary table and just had the back table, and it worked really well.
[02:15] <nhaines> I hope to work with Canonical next year to get more booth space for Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, but we'll see how that goes.  Canonical had their own separate booth and it focused solely on snapcraft and other snappy things.
[02:15] <carbonzero> Oh ok. I didn't know that about that. Yeah, it worked out really good, imo.
[02:15] <nhaines> Oh yes, we've had luxourious amounts of booth space in the past, ha.  But Canonical was hosting a machine learning/Kubeflow track on Thursday and their SCALE sponsorship went in that direction.
[02:15] <carbonzero> Oh yeah! That'd be sweet! I'll definitely be testing that for sure when it hits the cdimage server.
[02:16] <nhaines> Also, they got about three times more interest than they expected, so I think the Canonical sales and marketing team that put this on will be interested in returning to SCALE in the future, since this was their first year!  :)
[02:16] <nhaines> Any other thoughts or feedback about SCALE this year?
[02:17] <carbonzero> My feedback is that I had an absolute blast. Maybe during the coming year we can devise a way to nab more members and have them come to SCALE 18x
[02:17] <carbonzero> I wish my time on Friday was much longer. lol I wanted to keep going, dude.
[02:18] <carbonzero> I was so shocked that four hours went as quick as they did.
[02:18] <nhaines> I hope by moving up our schedule a bit we can get more volunteers.  We used to have a double handfull every year!
[02:18] <nhaines> But that is the nice thng about SCALE.  Time goes by fast, and when we have several volunteers, we can make sure everyone has time to roam the expo floor and see the talks that they want.
[02:19] <carbonzero> I definitely got to see some of the stuff I wanted to see like snapcraft. That was very cool.
[02:19] <nhaines> That's good!  Did I walk you over?
[02:20] <carbonzero> I'm very interested in that and perhaps something with blockchain.
[02:20] <carbonzero> No, I walked over there when I went for my beer. Which reminds me, we need some kind of drink order taker. lol
[02:20] <nhaines> lol!
[02:21] <carbonzero> Maybe we can create a snap/app to order drinks and someone can bring them? Like at a bar?
[02:21] <carbonzero> lol
[02:21] <nhaines> Strict union rules about food and drink at the convention center!
[02:21] <nhaines> All right, I'll post on the mailing list about SCALE some time over the next week.
[02:21] <carbonzero> ahh ok.
[02:21] <nhaines> #topic Other business
[02:21] <nhaines> Anything else for tonight's meeting?
[02:22] <aidian> small announcement about LUGOD's next meeting, if anyone is interested
[02:22] <carbonzero> Nothing here. Just hoping to be able to play some music using Ubuntu Studio on top of Kubuntu next year.
[02:22] <aidian> sorry for late entry!
[02:22] <nhaines> aidian: great!  Let's here it.  :)
[02:22] <nhaines> s/here/hear/
[02:23] <carbonzero> aidian: go for it!
[02:23] <aidian> for those of you in northern california, the linux users group of davis is meeting tomorrow, 7pm @ the davis public library
[02:23] <aidian> our speaker is the executive director of the Linux Foundation Energy project
[02:24] <aidian> it's a Linux Foundation-backed project designed to get open source software into the nation's power grid, pretty much
[02:25] <carbonzero> aidian: very cool! that sounds very interesting. That's a very much needed thing if you ask me. Getting open source software into the power grid. That's necessary.
[02:25] <aidian> agreed! i'm pretty fascinated to hear what they have going on
[02:25] <carbonzero> That sort of infrastructure needs to be hardened and Linux/Ubuntu's the best option.
[02:25] <aidian> yep, totally agreed.
[02:25] <aidian> http://www.lugod.org/meeting/ for more details on the talk, time, and location
[02:26] <carbonzero> aidian: I'd love to sit in on that, too, but I'm here in Apple Valley. Will you be able to take notes and pass them around?
[02:27] <aidian> i will see what i can do! we have one local specialist who will be there live to answer some questions, and dr. goodman will be presenting via teleconference, so there may be slides
[02:27] <aidian> hopefully slides that i can share
[02:27] <carbonzero> I should forward that to the local authorities over our local power system about incorporating linux into the system
[02:27] <aidian> carbonzero: https://www.lfenergy.org/
[02:27] <carbonzero> aidian: cool! I look forward to what you can provide.
[02:28] <aidian> me too! i hope i can post something. if nothing else i'll try and take some notes of my own, and see if they have any other material i can pass around
[02:28] <carbonzero> Thank you for the information!
[02:28] <carbonzero> Awesome!
[02:28] <aidian> np, doing what i can to keep the spirit alive up here with LUGOD :)
[02:29] <carbonzero> sounds like you're doing an excellent job! keep it up!
[02:29] <aidian> cheers!
[02:30] <carbonzero> cheers my friend!
[02:30] <carbonzero> nhaines: question real quick
[02:30] <nhaines> carbonzero: sure!
[02:31] <carbonzero> do you think we've got enough material to do an article for full circle magazine about SCALE and aidian's LUGOD event?
[02:31] <carbonzero> well, after the LUGOD event that was mentioned?
[02:31] <nhaines> Oh, I think so!
[02:31] <carbonzero> is that even something you're interested in doing?
[02:31] <nhaines> UbuCon and SCALE alone, I think, would be worth the writeup.
[02:32] <nhaines> I'm interested, but I am translating many novels right now.  :)  I'd be happy to take a look at anything you wrote.
[02:32] <carbonzero> very cool! I'm not quite done just yet but I'll let you know when I get the rough draft done.
[02:33] <nhaines> Great!  You know my email address.  :)
[02:33] <nhaines> Okay, I think that about wraps things up for tonight's meeting.
[02:33] <carbonzero> aidian: if you get any material from that meeting and if you want to contribute to that article, please feel free to let me know.
[02:33] <carbonzero> nhaines: sounds good.
[02:34] <carbonzero> I've got to run as soon as we're done. Got to come down to L.A. in the morning and leaving at 03:00.
[02:34] <nhaines> Okay, our next meeting is on April 21st, 2019, after the next release!
[02:34] <carbonzero> woohoo! \0/
[02:34] <aidian> carbonzero: roger that. i'll pm you my email address, i'm also on the mailing list
[02:34] <nhaines> Thanks for coming!
[02:34] <nhaines> #endmeeting
[02:34] <carbonzero> aidian: awesome! look forward to that!
[02:35] <aidian> yay, glad i squeezed in before the official end there. was putting together some furniture, hehe
[02:36] <carbonzero> aidian: lol, ahh yeah! glad you made it! nice to meet you and sorry to be so quick but I've got to get up at 02:00 to take the wifey to a procedure in the a.m. since me your email address when you can. my email's<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:36] <aidian> no worries, dropped you a pm
[02:36] <carbonzero> not since, jeez.
[02:37] <carbonzero> aidian: oh i see it.
[02:41] <aidian> gonna have to check out this full circle magazine
[02:52] <aidian> i recently started using 18.04 heavily for work
[02:52] <aidian> pretty good stuff