[03:34] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: hey, could you please ask Leann and VanHoof if they want to be part of the test session, so we can schedule it with bdmurray?
[07:40] <elfy> morning
[08:51] <czajkowski> Good day to you :)
[08:51] <nothingspecial> and good day to you czajkowski
[08:58] <philballew> what a nice bunch of people here this fine day
[08:59] <czajkowski> it's lovely
[08:59] <czajkowski> sitting in the office looking out at the sunshine, enjoying the air con :_)
[08:59] <philballew> Ive never been to Europe, Maybe one day I'll have to leave America.
[09:00] <philballew> You need ac there?
[09:00] <czajkowski> I do today
[09:00] <czajkowski> :)
[09:00] <nothingspecial> It's lovely today philballew, been rubbish recently
[09:00] <czajkowski> it's 22 degrees and 10am
[09:01] <philballew> That sounds nice
[09:01] <philballew> One day ill need to come there and check it out
[13:56] <mhall119> man, I'd *love* 22C in the morning
[13:57] <mhall119> it's almost 30C here
[13:58]  * mhall119 is a Floridian, so I'm allowed to complain about the heat :)
[14:01] <czajkowski> I <3 heat
[14:02] <jcastro> heat is awesome
[14:03] <mhall119> heat sucks, I'd rather be cold
[14:04] <czajkowski> mhall119: you're just weird
[14:04] <czajkowski> bring on the heat
[14:04] <czajkowski> would happily live in florida, bar I'd have to move to USA so that's a no :)
[14:04] <jcastro> JoseeAntonioR: where's the G+ for ubuntuonair? I need to find it so I can circle circle
[14:07] <jcastro> popey: ok we tested the set up for ubuntuonair.com, that should scale just fine on thursday
[14:09] <popey> coolio
[14:09]  * popey might have to go and get his air con
[14:10] <popey> which isn't really air con at all
[14:10] <cjohnston> heat sucks
[14:12] <jcastro> popey: hey, are you joining in the onair?
 wanna cohost?
 sure
[14:13] <jcastro> ah ok
[14:13] <jcastro> I need to add you
[14:13] <czajkowski> popey: nice and cool in here :) shuuda come in
[14:13] <jcastro> popey: when are you in the office next?
[14:13] <popey> no idea
[14:13] <popey> off to IoM next week
[14:14]  * jcastro points and laughs
[14:14] <czajkowski> jcastro: anything you need in here?
[14:14] <popey> :D
[14:14] <jcastro> in  here?
[14:15] <czajkowski> jcastro: the office
[14:15] <jcastro> czajkowski: oh, you're in the office?
[14:15] <czajkowski> yes
[14:15] <jcastro> I didn't know that
[14:15] <czajkowski> I go in here every week
[14:15] <czajkowski> pah
[14:15] <czajkowski> clearly not in the special group of jcastro :(
[14:16] <jcastro> hey so if will cook is around ask him if he wants to be on ubuntuonair.
[14:16] <jcastro> but then if he has nothing to say but "oh nothing we're rewriting it for unity3d" then tell him to get back to work and nevermind
[14:16] <czajkowski> am only a messenger :(
[14:16] <czajkowski> leemie go and see
[14:16] <jcastro> basically
[14:16] <jcastro> "jorge wants to know if you have anything cool to talk about"
[14:17] <czajkowski> so gald she has a use!
[14:17] <popey> looks like will is off today
[14:17] <czajkowski> 2 ticks
[14:17] <popey> not seen him online
[14:17] <czajkowski> popey: busy in here!
[14:17] <czajkowski> beuno team are in the house !
[14:17] <popey> glad I'm not there then :)
[14:18] <jcastro> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/x2nic/this_thursday_were_having_ubuntu_developers/
[14:18] <jcastro> how about some upboats then?
[14:19] <popey> jcastro, i removed the search from the theme when I had wp on my box
[14:19] <popey> because it's not much use up the top right there
[14:19] <jcastro> I don't want to mod it anymore, for round 2 we'll do it in the charm
[14:20] <popey> k
[14:20] <czajkowski> jcastro: poked mark baker to poke him
[14:20] <czajkowski> he was here
[14:21]  * popey looks around and remembers again he needs to tidy his office
[14:25] <czajkowski> jcastro: see pm
[14:42] <popey> er
[14:42] <popey> jcastro, there's an ubuntu on air G+ page...?
[14:43] <jcastro> I need to follow an account or something
[14:43] <popey> the logo is borked, it has the pixel size in the top left
[14:43] <jcastro> to get on there
[14:43] <popey> https://plus.google.com/events/c53e0ghh67r6dqnup0e6vbnj9tc/111560558537332305125
[14:43] <popey> who is mitesh shah?
[14:44] <jcastro> no clue
[14:46]  * popey pokes him
[14:48] <SergioMeneses> popey, jcastro hello! is ubuntu-on-air event public?
[14:48] <jcastro> of course!
[14:50] <SergioMeneses> ok... I hope yo be present
[14:50] <SergioMeneses> *to
[14:51] <popey> jcastro, did you make an ubuntuonair page? if not I'll do it now.
[14:51] <jcastro> huh?
[14:51] <jcastro> we have one
[14:51] <jcastro> ubuntuonair.com
[14:51] <popey> no, a G+ page
[14:51] <popey> that people can follow
[14:52] <popey> can then create an event
[14:52] <SergioMeneses> popey, +1
[14:52] <jcastro> but what about this page?
[14:52] <popey> hmmmm
[14:52] <SergioMeneses> the page can give information, events, photos, ...
[14:53] <jcastro> we have a page already
[14:53] <popey> the ubuntuonair.com was originally only intented to be a nice shortcut to get to it
[14:53] <popey> which could point at anythingf
[14:53] <jcastro> it's fine
[14:53] <jcastro> seriously, you guys are putting more effort making more things to maintain than the actual event.
[14:53] <popey> says the guy who spun up a cloud
[14:53] <popey> :)
[14:54] <jcastro> because you decided to make a webpage to send people to!
[14:54] <SergioMeneses> jcastro, you're right
[14:54] <jcastro> we could have just done a G+ account
[14:54] <popey> because ubuntuonair.com is easier to remember than a long G+ url
[14:54] <jcastro> but for some reason we had to have a twitter
[14:54] <popey> thats all
[14:54] <jcastro> an irc channel
[14:54] <jcastro> a bot
[14:54] <jcastro> a council
[14:54] <jcastro> a mailing list
[14:54] <jcastro> a derivative distro
[14:54] <jcastro> and so on
[14:54] <popey> rewind
[14:54] <popey> the original intention of the domain was _just_ to point at the G+ hangout
[14:54] <popey> that is _all_
[14:55] <popey> because G+ urls suck
[14:55] <jcastro> ok so that's fine
[14:55] <popey> and we can easily edit a page in WP and point it to the "current" hangout
[14:55] <jcastro> if you want to just make a G+ page
[14:55] <jcastro> and send it there
[14:55] <jcastro> then we can do that.
[14:55] <popey> i really dont mind :)
[14:55] <popey> just making sure you understand why it existed in the first place
[14:55] <popey> it wasn't to make stuff for stuffs sake
[14:55] <popey> but to make it easy to find
[14:55] <jcastro> oh I know exactly why it all exists
[14:56] <jcastro> infrastructure brigade!
[14:56] <popey> ok, carry on.
[14:56] <jcastro> heh
[14:56] <jcastro> keep calm, carry on
[15:02] <jcastro> balloons: hey, was this meeting cancelled and I missed it?
[15:02] <balloons> jcastro, hmm
[15:02] <jcastro> I got a cal alert for an irc meeting
[15:02] <balloons> I'm kind of wondering myself.. It's just us and mhall119 about is my guess
[15:02] <jcastro> oh, bacon must be swap daying?
[15:03] <balloons> I don't believe so -- I was to speak with him this afternoon
[15:10] <balloons> there's the jono-nator now!
[15:10] <jono> howdy balloons
[15:11]  * balloons notes that nickname looks as akward as it sounds
[15:11] <jono> haha
[15:30] <jcastro> http://twitter.com/castrojo/status/227786911710851072
[15:30] <jcastro> RT please!
[15:33] <balloons> done
[15:38] <SergioMeneses> jcastro, done
[15:44] <SergioMeneses> jcastro, balloons bkerensa http://sergioandresmeneses.wordpress.com/2012/07/24/ubuntu-co-has-a-new-video-about-ubuntu/
[15:48] <balloons> SergioMeneses, nice video.. Yo no hablo espanol, but it was still well down and put together
[15:49] <balloons> *well done
[15:50] <SergioMeneses> balloons, sure... I think we need to make more things in others languages
[15:51] <balloons> yes.. i love that ubuntu crosses languages and countries to reach everyone!
[15:55] <SergioMeneses> balloons, +1 :) me too
[16:01] <jono> mhall119, hey
[16:01] <mhall119> jono: ready?
[16:01] <jono> mhall119, I didn't get a chance to speak to Jamie/Steve L yesterday
[16:02] <mhall119> that's okay,I talked to him this morning
[16:02] <jono> oh cool
[16:02] <jono> lets go then
[16:02] <mhall119> well, to jamie anyway
[16:02] <mhall119> not steve
[16:02] <jono> np
[16:02] <jono> setting it up
[16:03] <jono> mhall119, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/ebbce1454ea3dbe210fd7293a5c19de0b3972d25?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[16:07] <jussi> o/
[16:07] <jussi> hello everyone, its been a awhile :D
[16:07] <bkerensa> jussi: u have been hiding
[16:08] <jcastro> jono: hey I'm on holiday 2 fridays in a row, we might want to catch up tomorrow or thursday (prior to the ubuntu on air)
[16:08] <jussi>  bkerensa only from you :P
[16:08] <jcastro> <--- lunching
[16:08] <SergioMeneses> jussi, \o
[16:08] <jussi> hi SergioMeneses
[16:09] <SergioMeneses> hello jussi
[16:10] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: I'll get you the link as soon as I get home (~3.5h)
[16:10] <JoseeAntonioR> at school atm
[16:12] <SergioMeneses> JoseeAntonioR, I need help with josebot, are you busy?
[16:13] <jono> jcastro, np, I have a few things I wanted to discuss too
[16:13] <jono> jcastro, can we chat later today?
[16:13] <jcastro> yeah, let me get chow and I'll catch you on the flipside
[16:13] <jcastro> bbi ~30
[16:14] <jono> jcastro, np
[16:15] <bkerensa> =/ nobody told me the chevy volt is 100% electric
[16:20] <popey> the clue is in the name
[16:21] <czajkowski> ROFLOL
[16:26] <JoseeAntonioR> SergioMeneses: yeah
[16:26] <JoseeAntonioR> i'm in a exam right now
[16:28] <SergioMeneses> JoseeAntonioR, give a minute... I'm working
[16:31] <czajkowski> SergioMeneses: ola!
[16:33] <SergioMeneses> JoseeAntonioR, ok... i'm redy
[16:33] <SergioMeneses> ready
[16:33] <SergioMeneses> czajkowski, hi! :D how you been?
[16:34] <czajkowski> SergioMeneses: good thank s
[16:34] <czajkowski> busy :)
[16:34] <czajkowski> but good
[16:36] <SergioMeneses> czajkowski, me too :)
[17:13] <pleia2> balloons: do you know who is in charge of Friendly these days? I'd love to see a blog post encouraging people to test their hardware on 12.04 :)
[17:14] <bkerensa> pleia2: I'm working on the blog post now actually lol
[17:14] <balloons> bkerensa, ohh?
[17:17] <jcastro> jono: I can go whenever
[17:18] <jono> jcastro, otp
[17:18] <balloons> pleia2, on the hw testing front I'll be kicking off a campaign next month to get people invovled
[17:20] <balloons> work is on-going to create a community hw database, and once it's out there.. I'll ask people to fill it
[17:21] <pleia2> balloons: something separate than friendly, or..?
[17:22] <balloons> pleia2, yes, something seperate from friendly.. it will have a testing focus
[17:22] <balloons> friendly of course is meant to help understand what ubuntu works with and what it doesn't
[17:22] <pleia2> balloons: aw, is friendly going to be maintained still?
[17:22] <pleia2> (I've been telling people to use it, and people like it!)
[17:22] <balloons> pleia2, it's still being maintained yes
[17:23] <pleia2> ok, thanks :)
[17:24] <balloons> pleia2, yes -- I used it myself to help buy my new laptop :-)
[17:24] <pleia2> me too
[17:29] <bkerensa> balloons / pleia2: post out
[17:30] <bkerensa> pleia2: :P my laptop is certified and doesnt work fully unfortunately ;p
[17:30] <bkerensa> but I blame Linus for this *shakes fist*
[17:32] <bkerensa> oddly its certified http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201106-8252/ but not in the Ubuntu Friendly database
[17:32] <bkerensa> ;p
[17:39] <jono> jcastro, all set?
[17:39] <jcastro> sure, you initiating or me?
[17:39] <jono> jcastro, I will set it up
[17:40] <bkerensa> jono: u guys need reserved hangout instances ;p
[17:41] <jcastro> we used to have one
[17:41] <jcastro> but now they don't do like reserved URLs
[17:41] <jono> indeed
[17:41] <jono> jcastro, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/be2e3d88cac29dc3ecf513a8757a81c0ca9fbd36?authuser=0&hl=en-US
[17:43] <balloons> pleia2, congrats btw! well deserved award
[17:44] <pleia2> balloons: thank you :)
[17:44] <bkerensa> :D
[20:30] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: ping ping
[20:32] <jcastro> pong pong
[20:33] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: https://plus.google.com/113179255019669411234/posts
[20:33] <JoseeAntonioR> that's ubuntu on air's profile
[20:34] <JoseeAntonioR> it's now visible on search
[20:34] <jcastro> ok so speakers need to follow this one for it to work right?
[20:34] <JoseeAntonioR> yep
[20:35] <JoseeAntonioR> I still can't find robert, will try with Leann and VanHoof
[20:35] <JoseeAntonioR> and Barton George too
[20:37] <JoseeAntonioR> done, we just need Robert
[20:42] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: when are we having the test session with the speakers?
[20:42] <jcastro> all of them use G+ regularly, I don't think we need to do that.
[20:42] <jcastro> what we should do is practice the "launching" part
[20:42] <JoseeAntonioR> bdmurray asked for one
[20:42] <jcastro> like all the stuff on that wiki page with the gotchas
[20:42] <JoseeAntonioR> let me open it, one sec
[20:42] <jcastro> oh ok, then we'll done one with him I guess
[20:43] <JoseeAntonioR> let me ping him
[20:44] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, what about the launching part?
[20:47] <JoseeAntonioR> popey: did you get the code for the widget?
[20:48] <popey> no reply yet JoseeAntonioR
[20:48] <JoseeAntonioR> urgh, ok
[20:48] <popey> but the date/time is clear on the page
[20:48] <JoseeAntonioR> yeah
[20:48] <popey> i dont think we need it
[20:48] <popey> overkill
[20:49] <JoseeAntonioR> well, right, no widget then :)
[20:49] <JoseeAntonioR> also, there are tweets 10 mins before, so people won't miss it
[20:49] <jcastro> How about a countdown?
[20:50] <jcastro> Anything that can make more work for popey perhaps?
[20:50] <bkerensa> lol
[20:50] <JoseeAntonioR> :P
[20:50] <bkerensa> jcastro: can popey make some flyers too? :P
[20:50] <JoseeAntonioR> yeah, they can be included in conference packs
[20:50] <jcastro> popey: Hey I met Andy Piper at OSCON
[20:50] <popey> nice chap isnt he?
[20:51] <popey> he's hosting next UUPC as I'm in IoM I think
[20:51]  * popey shakes fist
[20:51] <jcastro> he's pretty awesome, I've actually been searching for someone in his role at VMWare for weeks
[20:51] <jcastro> running into him was basically perfect for me
[20:52] <popey> heh
[20:52] <popey> did you know he works in the same building as we have our uk office now?
[20:52] <popey> Bluefin
[20:52] <popey> first day i went in I bumped into him in the restaurant
[20:52] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: bdmurray's here
[20:54] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: oh yeah? :P
[20:54] <JoseeAntonioR> not in the channel, but active
[20:58] <jcastro> feel free to just fire it up with him
[20:58] <jcastro> bbiab
[20:58] <jcastro> <-- out of caffeine, panic!
[20:59] <JoseeAntonioR> D:
[20:59] <JoseeAntonioR> popey, jcastro: is the widget in ubuntuonair.com fine?
[21:00] <popey> ew
[21:00] <jcastro> leave the text there too
[21:00] <jcastro> also ugly
[21:00] <popey> i would just have the text there
[21:00] <jcastro> but leave the text for readabilty, paste, etc.
[21:00] <jcastro> jono: also, http://wpengine.com/
[21:00] <popey> the text also appears when you post the url in places as a preview which works nicely
[21:03] <jono> jcastro, looking at that now
[21:03] <jcastro> it's expensive relatively speaking, but it's the top tier, pro bloggers, etc.
[21:10] <nigelb> Does heroku not have a solution for this?
[21:10]  * nigelb is mildly surprised
[21:13] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: shall I invite you to the test session?
[21:14] <bkerensa> jcastro: I guess you are a "Canonical developer relations executive" ;p
[21:14] <jcastro> indeed
[21:14] <jcastro> nigelb: heroku to gost a blog?
[21:14] <jcastro> err, host a blog?
[21:15] <nigelb> jcastro: maybe I'm thinking on different lines :D
[21:15] <jcastro> JoseeAntonioR: sure
[21:16] <jcastro> nigelb: I think if he wanted to write his own web blogging platform and sell it as a service to others then yeah, heroku ftw.
[21:16] <nigelb> jcastro: heh, like a wp hosting service :P
[21:16] <JoseeAntonioR> done
[21:16] <jcastro> indeed
[21:17] <jcastro> bkerensa: lemme know when you wanna have a blog throwdown again
[21:17] <bkerensa> I cant
[21:17] <bkerensa> I need my PV's
[21:17] <bkerensa> ;p
[21:18] <bkerensa> but I am using wpengine now
[21:18] <bkerensa> for right now anyways
[21:18] <jcastro> hey, that's +3 votes for wpengine
[21:18] <bkerensa> I am going to transition to NetDNA in the coming weeks
[21:18] <bkerensa> ;)
[21:18] <jono> balloons, http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/07/remembering-good-ole-days.html is missing
[21:19] <balloons> whoa
[21:19] <balloons> what on earth
[21:19] <balloons> k - pushed it back
[21:19] <balloons> it somehow got unpublished?
[21:20] <balloons> fail blog
[21:21] <jcastro> jono: one thing you could do in the meantime or if you want to stay cheap is offload your images to S3 or google storage, there are transparent plugins that do all that for you
[21:21] <jono> jcastro, thanks
[21:22] <jcastro> but that's not as as nice as a real wp provider, but it's cheap
[21:22] <jcastro> I put all my assets on GCS (before S3) and it's like 35 cents a month, then serving the images is done via google/amazon and not your wordpress install
[21:24] <czajkowski> will kill https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-RvupLp2owOU/UA8RGeT2QcI/AAAAAAAAEoY/1lnHvjh6x0w/s928/Screenshot+from+2012-07-24+21%3A32%3A17.png
[21:24] <mhall119> I have the S3 media uploader plugin on my WP blog,it's really nice
[21:24] <jcastro> czajkowski: yeah after every call I killall -9 that thing
[21:24] <mhall119> adding the cache plugin helped boost performance on a t1.micro instance too
[21:24] <jcastro> otherwise *explosion sounds*
[21:26] <czajkowski> jcastro: really?
[21:26] <czajkowski> bugger
[21:26] <czajkowski> mhall119: that related to me?
[21:26] <jcastro> czajkowski: yep, sometimes when you close your browser it'll linger.
[21:27] <jcastro> you need to check after every call you make and make sure it's dead dead.
[21:27] <jcastro> though some days are better than others, mine's been behaving lately
[21:28] <czajkowski> jcastro: bugger, have sometimes 3 hangouts back to back over an hour each
[21:28] <czajkowski> just seems to be going crazy atm
[21:28] <czajkowski> what specifically do you kill ?
[21:28] <jcastro> GoogleTalkPlugin
[21:28] <czajkowski> as I'm in the moood to stab
[21:28] <czajkowski> jcastro: cheers
[21:28] <jcastro> close your browser, super, "system", hit enter to run the system monitor, sort by name, kill.
[21:28] <jcastro> don't worry, you'll be awesome at it soon. :)
[21:29] <czajkowski> thanks
[21:29] <czajkowski> am now going to bed
[21:29] <czajkowski> head is fried
[21:29] <czajkowski> toodles
[21:29] <JoseeAntonioR> czajkowski: have a good night!
[21:29] <czajkowski> jcastro: poked will and richard and an amercian for you re the on air stuff today
[21:30] <czajkowski> hope thats sorted
[21:30] <czajkowski> anyone else need physical poking am in there again tomorrow
[21:30] <jcastro> no worries, I'm all set!
[21:30] <czajkowski> grand job
[21:30] <czajkowski> met rick spencer today
[21:30] <czajkowski> looks all clean shaven and smart! no more beard!
[21:30] <jcastro> mhall119: I actually expected you to be more of a static generator guy for a blog
[21:31] <jcastro> like http://pelican.notmyidea.org/en/2.8/index.html or hyde
[21:33] <mhall119> jcastro: you keep preaching that
[21:33] <mhall119> but until Wordpress stops working for me, I'll probably keep using it
[21:33] <jcastro> what WP needs, which would be awesome
[21:34] <jcastro> is a plugin where you can put in an s3 or GSC bucket, then it would generate your entire site statically
[21:34] <jcastro> and then you could serve the entire thing from s3, etc.
[21:34] <jcastro> so you have the price/simplicity of static, but the nice gui features of wordpress
[21:36] <mhall119> that would be helpful
[21:37] <snap-l> I believe they called it Movable Type
[21:37] <snap-l> and it was anything but pretty
[21:39] <jcastro> yeah but that's because you had to wait for it to finish
[21:40] <jcastro> it'd be nice if you could publish and it would all be live etc.
[21:40] <jcastro> but in the background it would generate the files for you, etc.
[21:47] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: any issues with disqus?
[21:48] <jcastro> oh I didn't look into it
[21:48] <JoseeAntonioR> oh :P
[21:49] <jcastro> hmm, the page.php is correct, the DNS should be updated for them now
[21:52] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: btw, we've reached the 9 users limit
[21:53] <JoseeAntonioR> what did you wanted to talk about launching the session?\
[21:53] <jcastro> how did we reach the limit?
[21:53] <jcastro> they don't all go on at once
[21:54] <jcastro> they just join, hang out, and then leave
[21:54] <JoseeAntonioR> no? oh, I thought so
[21:54] <JoseeAntonioR> gotcha now
[21:57] <jcastro> hmmm, I don't know why the comments don't work
[21:57] <jcastro> will investigate tomorrow
[21:59] <JoseeAntonioR> ok :)
[22:00] <jcastro> that's my way of saying "please be DNS out of date still"
[22:00] <JoseeAntonioR> and it doesn't seem to work
[22:01] <jcastro> it won't work if they think the site is still on popey's server
[22:30] <cjohnston> jono: got time for a quick chat? pm or your preference
[23:46] <bkerensa> jcastro: ping


[00:01] <BobJonkman> You here to get the ball rolling, dscassel?
[00:05] <BobJonkman> Roll call! kavurt johanbr 36DAA3TGU DarwinSurvivor FiReSTaRT pangolin azend mars khoover bilal KombuchaKip bregma cpbell Jeruvy lubotu1 egerlach dscassel mimcpher cyphermox zul Kulag jlamothe willwh sipherdee james_w  jaguar- txwikinger
[00:06] <BobJonkman> agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2012-04-10
[00:06] <BobJonkman> 19:55
[00:08] <BobJonkman> By way of introduction, I'm Bob Jonkman, your temporary fill-in host for this evening's meeting
[00:08] <BobJonkman> I'm an Ubuntu enthusiast in Elmira, just north of Waterloo, ON
[00:10] <mimcpher> I'm mimcpher, and I run an Ubuntu mirror located in Waterloo, ON
[00:11] <BobJonkman> Hi there, mimcpher!
[00:11] <BobJonkman> Did you get your Ubuntu CDs replenished?
[00:11] <mimcpher> yeah, dscassel dropped off a stack
[00:12] <BobJonkman> Should be some fresh ones coming out in a few weeks
[00:13] <BobJonkman> Have I ever met you (mimcpher) at an Ubuntu Hour ?
[00:13] <mimcpher> Since I've never been to one, i'd assume No.
[00:13] <BobJonkman> :)
[00:14] <Lipeolive> Hi to all.
[00:14] <BobJonkman> There's two coming up in KW in short order: Last Friday's one was postponed for Good Friday, now being held on Friday the 13th.
[00:15] <BobJonkman> Hi Lipeolive: Glad you could make it
[00:15] <BobJonkman> Kitchener Ubuntu Hour: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/1610/detail/
[00:16] <BobJonkman> Followed hot-on-the-heels by Waterloo's Ubuntu Hour, next week Wednesday: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/1622/detail/
[00:16] <BobJonkman> There's another couple of Ubuntu Hours in Quebec listed on the Google calendar
[00:16] <mimcpher> Hmm, I might be able to hit the Wednesday one.
[00:17] <BobJonkman> Walking distance to UofW
[00:18] <BobJonkman> I'm curious if the two Ubuntu Hours on the calendar are still being held.  Can anyone from Quebec verify?
[00:19] <BobJonkman> It'd be great to have a few more Ubuntu Hours across the country.
[00:19] <BobJonkman> All it takes is for someone to say "I'm having an Ubuntu Hour", then go hang out somewhere at a coffee shop, lunch counter or bar for an hour or so.
[00:20] <BobJonkman> If you promise to send him pictures, then dscassel will send you some original Ubuntu CDs to hand out.
[00:21] <mimcpher> Does anyone KW around have an Ubuntu banner or something?
[00:22] <BobJonkman> txwikinger has a banner
[00:22] <bilal> So, is the KW chapter officially the most active chapter of Ubuntu Canada? :)
[00:22] <BobJonkman> We got it for the GNU/Linuxfest in 2010, or maybe 2009
[00:22] <BobJonkman> It doesn't see much use
[00:23] <charm> Bob we should borrow it for SoftwareFreedomDay....
[00:23] <BobJonkman> Hi bilal!  There's a pretty active chapter in Vancouver.
[00:23] <BobJonkman> Nice to see you, charm1
[00:23] <chaslinux> oops old nick
[00:23] <BobJonkman> And nice to see you too, chaslinux
[00:23]  * BobJonkman will do anything to boost meeting attendance
[00:24] <BobJonkman> bilal: The Vancouver chapter has their own LoCo
[00:24] <chaslinux> We just need to plan more in advance and find some activities to make it more fun.
[00:24] <BobJonkman> As does Quebec
[00:25] <chaslinux> Maybe a computer smash... sledgehammer... but we might need to look into liability, etc...
[00:25] <BobJonkman> chaslinux: making Software Freedom Day more fun, you mean
[00:25] <bilal> BobJonkman: Yeah, I know that, and rrnwexec heads it I guess
[00:26] <BobJonkman> A computer smash does sound like fun.
[00:26] <BobJonkman> Can't get more free from computers than that
[00:27] <chaslinux> Printer smash maybe... we have a lot more printers and they're worth a whole lot less...
[00:27] <BobJonkman> chaslinux hosts this Friday's Ubuntu Hour, BTW...
[00:27] <BobJonkman> Speaking of fun...
[00:27] <BobJonkman> There be parties!
[00:28] <BobJonkman> Ubuntu Release Parties!
[00:28] <chaslinux> Yes, Friday the 13th... remind me tomorrow I should make a poster or something....
[00:29] <BobJonkman> The next Ubuntu Release is coming out on 26 April, and I hear genii-around is planning a party in Toronto that night
[00:30] <BobJonkman> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ca/1659/detail/
[00:31] <BobJonkman> There was talk on the mailing list about another Toronto party, organized by Sammy Lao of FreeGeekToronto
[00:31] <BobJonkman> But this might be the same one.
[00:32] <BobJonkman> I'm planning on travelling to Toronto for that, leaving from Kitchener around 6:00pm.  I'll have room in my car for two passengers, if anyone is interested.
[00:32] <chaslinux> What day of the week is that Bob?
[00:32] <mimcpher> I might want to attend.
[00:33] <BobJonkman> I think dscassel called dibs around 10:00am for one spot
[00:33] <chaslinux> hmmmn... so no party here??
[00:33] <BobJonkman> The Toronto party is on Thursday the 26th.
[00:34] <BobJonkman> There's a Kitchener party at Kwartzlab (the local hackerspace) on Saturday the 28th
[00:34] <BobJonkman> Starts at 2:00pm, doesn't end until dscassel throws me out
[00:35] <BobJonkman> Ubuntu Release Parties are only slightly more involved than Ubuntu Hours.
[00:36] <BobJonkman> You simply declare you're having one, find a venue, and invite hundreds of your best friends and strangers :-)
[00:37] <BobJonkman> Kwartzlab goes all out, with cake and devilled eggs and pizza, but it can be as simple as a couple of buddies sharing a single cup of coffee and asking "So what's a Pangolin anyway?"
[00:38] <BobJonkman> At Kwartzlab we'll have an installfest.  Being a hackerspace there's lots of tech support
[00:38] <pangolin> Well, I'm a father of two and separated. I like Ubuntu and pasta. Pizza is top 5.
[00:38] <pangolin> :)
[00:39]  * BobJonkman no longer wonders what a Pangolin might be...
[00:39] <BobJonkman> Hi pangolin!
[00:39] <pangolin> Glad i could clear that up
[00:39] <pangolin> hello BobJonkman and everybody!
[00:39] <bregma> I'll ask the usual question: are people running 12.04 yet?
[00:40] <mimcpher> I've got two systems running 12.04 so far.
[00:40] <pangolin> I have for about a month or so
[00:40] <mimcpher> upgrading the rest after exams.
[00:40] <BobJonkman> I have an aborted install on a semi-broken laptop.  Doesn't count.
[00:41] <BobJonkman> I'll be upgrading three servers to Ubuntu 12.04 Server Edition, probably the Sunday after the release party
[00:43] <BobJonkman> If anyone else is planning a Release Party, or even if you have one at the last minute, let me know and I'll add it to the list at http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-ca
[00:43] <BobJonkman> It's a short list, right now
[00:44] <BobJonkman> Having these events listed on the LoCo calendar is useful for ...
[00:44] <BobJonkman> LoCo Renewal!
[00:44] <BobJonkman> (which happens to be the next thing on the Agenda)
[00:45] <BobJonkman> dscassel was saying that we need to have Team Reports to help us qualify for renewal.
[00:45] <BobJonkman> The questions on the agenda are the ones I put there, so I don't know the answers: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CanadianTeam/Meetings/2012-04-10
[00:45] <chaslinux> Bob we should really have some always on machine in the shop dedicated to events, etc... kinda like the twitter ticker in @kwartzlab...
[00:46] <BobJonkman> That's a good idea.
[00:47] <BobJonkman> Keep an eye on the RSS feeds, the calendar events, the idle chatter in this room...
[00:47] <BobJonkman> :D
[00:47] <BobJonkman> Some of the renewal questions I was asking are:
[00:47] <BobJonkman> What is the deadline for renewal?
[00:48] <BobJonkman> What is the actual renewal process?  Who has to push what paper?
[00:48] <BobJonkman> And do we have a volunteer to do Team Reports?  dscassel is pretty full with Kwartzlab and other local stuff
[00:49] <chaslinux> We could make it a part of the new guy's duties (Ade is his name)... he's on a Trios placement so we have him for a couple of months at least.
[00:50] <BobJonkman> Yay!  We have a volunteer!
[00:51] <BobJonkman> There's a guide to preparing Team Reports at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/TeamReporting/HowTo
[00:51] <BobJonkman> Team Reports need to be done back to November 2011.  Most of the stuff can be taken from the LoCo calendar and old meeting minutes
[00:52] <BobJonkman> I was going to have a look at those pages, but if we have a warm body at Computer Recycling that'd be great!
[00:54] <BobJonkman> Finally, I was hoping txwikinger would be able to grant someone access to update http://ubuntu-ca.org
[00:54] <chaslinux> Hmmn... perhaps, not sure if he'll be capable since he has 0 Linux experience.
[00:55] <BobJonkman> The Team Reports are administratium.
[00:55] <BobJonkman> A bit of Wiki skills required.  Learn those on the job.
[00:55] <chaslinux> Yeah, good for his resume too....
[00:55] <BobJonkman> No actual PC building or OS installation necessary for TeamReports.
[00:56] <chaslinux> But that's the fun part... ;-)
[00:56] <BobJonkman> Yeah, it's great resume material.  "Contributed to the Canadian Local Community Ubuntu Team - here's a link..."
[00:57] <chaslinux> Well I need to stop looking at a screen... see you in the morning Bob.
[00:57] <chaslinux> Night all...
[00:57] <BobJonkman> So, if someone sees txwikinger...  It would be good to have http://ubuntu-ca.org updated with the current release party info
[00:58] <BobJonkman> Good night chaslinux.
[00:58] <BobJonkman> And that just about concludes the meeting hour.
[00:58] <bilal> Thank you BobJonkman for chairing!
[00:59] <BobJonkman> You're welcome1
[00:59] <BobJonkman> !
[00:59] <BobJonkman> Hope to see you at one of the local Ubuntu Hours
[00:59] <BobJonkman> Or the Release Party for sure!
[00:59] <bilal> Kinda unlikely since I'm really busy for most of the day, either on school work or Canonical work
[01:00] <bilal> But yeah, would be great!
[01:00]  * bilal might come to the release party
[01:01] <BobJonkman> Yay!
[01:02] <willwh> hi guys sorry am late
[01:02] <willwh> :)
[01:02] <willwh> I am also running 12.04
[01:02] <willwh> on the laptop and some VMs at work
[01:02] <BobJonkman> Hi willwh.  We've just wrapped up
[01:03] <willwh> it PWNS my laptop battery compared to lubuntu 11.10
[01:03] <willwh> my lappy is a little older but the power draw jump is quite considerable
[01:03] <willwh> but I am running ubuntu 12.04 - so they are a bit different :)
[01:03] <BobJonkman> You'll be able to catch up at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/04/11/%23ubuntu-ca.html as soon as the bot catches up
[01:04] <willwh> 24/7 irssi ftw
[01:04] <willwh> I never miss a beat
[01:04] <BobJonkman> 12.04 is worse for power?
[01:04] <willwh> and I drop parts and joins
[01:04] <willwh> BobJonkman: well, this is a bit of a bad comparison
[01:04] <BobJonkman> That's too bad.  My laptop isn't getting any younger
[01:04] <willwh> Lubuntu 11.10 vs Ubuntu 12.04
[01:05] <willwh> and it's an old 8 cell battery
[01:05] <willwh> from a full charge lubuntu would get about 40mins
[01:05] <willwh> under 12.04 I get 14
[01:05] <willwh> lol
[15:08] <s-fox> Bonjour
[15:09] <s-fox> Ou est starcraftman? :(
[15:11] <s-fox> o/ johanbr


[02:31] <attente> robru, thanks for the postcard :)
[03:43] <robru> attente, wow, did you just get it now? i sent that weeks ago! ;-)
[03:44] <attente> robru, i was in china and only arrived back yesterday :)
[03:45] <robru> attente, ahhhhh, that makes sense. welcome back!
[03:46] <attente> are the red hat offices the tallest buildings in brno?
[03:47] <robru> attente, almost, but not really. there's some churchy-fortressy-towery things that aren't really visible in that shot.
[03:47] <robru> attente, it's a really small town, same population as victoria (300k)
[03:48] <attente> robru, ah, ok
[04:29] <Mirv> hmm, I wonder why jenkins complains autopilot machines would be offline while I can reach them via the jenkins machine
[04:54] <Mirv> poof, solved
[04:58] <Mirv> and now someone rebooted nvidia machine and it wasn't me :P
[07:15] <sil2100> Mirv: morning! I see qtubuntu FTBFS in platform
[07:16] <Mirv> sil2100: morning! so do I.
[07:18] <Mirv> sil2100: but the worse thing is those 'lxc cannot start' things that seem to happen in check phases. I've been waiting now for this newest tick after fixing the autopilot machines, if anything changes regarding those.
[07:28] <Mirv> sil2100: have you seen the sort of http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/autopilot-saucy-daily_release/1624/label=autopilot-intel/console before?
[07:28] <Mirv> I don't know what caused the autopilot problem I fixed, and I don't know what's causing this one
[07:38] <sil2100> Mirv: hm, maybe these are my delusions, but I think I saw that before - jibel fixed that last time IIRC
[07:40] <Mirv> sil2100: ok, that's a good hint at least.. I think he should be soon up so we can ping him
[08:03] <Laney> morning!
[08:05] <highvoltage> morning Laney
[08:07] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:08]  * Laney gets zapped by highvoltage
[08:08] <seb128> hey Laney highvoltage
[08:08] <Laney> hi seb128
[08:08] <Laney> good weekends?
[08:08] <seb128> yes, mostly avoided the rain during the day (it rained quite a lot during nights though)
[08:08] <seb128> you?
[08:08] <Laney> yep, climbing shopping beer
[08:09]  * highvoltage is strongly considering taking a beer brewing class next weekend
[08:09] <Laney> mmm, I did some kits last year
[08:09] <Laney> need to buy some more equipment
[08:09] <seb128> did you get anything drinkable? ;-)
[08:10] <Laney> kirkland's posts make me jealous
[08:10] <Laney> well... you could drink it and it tasted like beer
[08:10] <Laney> but possibly the most boring beer ever
[08:10] <seb128> haha
[08:10] <highvoltage> heh
[08:12]  * Laney stabs the pandaboard
[08:14]  * highvoltage is tempted to get this: https://twitter.com/linuxfoundation/status/374955050642067456/photo/1
[08:14] <highvoltage> (but I'm slightly scared that it will pile up with all my other toy electronics that I never get a chance to play with)
[08:15] <Laney> nice
[08:57] <seb128> shrug
[08:57] <seb128> sil2100, Mirv: how come we didn't get any setting landing for 5 days? :-(
[08:58] <seb128> indicators as well?
[08:58] <Mirv> seb128: we're in manual publishing mode as ordered by asac, until unity8/mir lands today
[08:59] <mlankhorst> morning
[08:59] <seb128> asac, do we really need to block settings from landing? we have quite some changes/work that's blocked for almost a week there :/
[08:59] <mlankhorst> Laney: I've had a biker tailing ME last week :L
[08:59] <Laney> \o/
[08:59] <Laney> were you going fast?
[08:59] <mlankhorst> faster than him, i tried to stay behind him at first and wasn't patient enough
[09:00] <seb128> sil2100, Mirv: quite some red also in the stack, 8 red ones (and 3 yellow)
[09:00] <seb128> sil2100, Mirv: didrocks is back today right? I guess he's going to get unhappy :/
[09:01] <Mirv> seb128: on Saturday autopilot machines jenkins connection had broken down. I managed to fix it this morning. now lxc containers refuse to start up for the check phases, sil2100 suspected jibel could be able to fix those.
[09:03] <seb128> Mirv, shrug, QA team is having a week in Lexington so I guess he's not going to be around before a while ... are we stucked until he's there?
[09:04] <seb128> is sil2100 around today?
[09:05] <Mirv> seb128: we're stuck unless someone can decipher and fix this http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/autopilot-saucy-daily_release/1624/label=autopilot-intel/console . sil2100 was around two hours ago
[09:05] <Mirv> 1.5h, to be more exact
[09:09] <seb128> k
[09:09] <seb128> it's going to be one of those days...
[09:10] <seb128> Mirv, thanks for the email, can you maybe follow up on the list as well to let people know landings are blocked?
[09:11] <Mirv> seb128: ok, which list specifically?
[09:12] <asac> seb128: Mirv: hi
[09:12] <seb128> Mirv, I though the previous outrages were mentioned on some lists, but I can't find it now... ignore that I guess
[09:13] <seb128> asac, hey! good morning? are you in Lexington? (if so it's quite early!)
[09:13] <Laney> They were mentioned internally IIRC
[09:13] <Mirv> seb128: yeah ue-leads etc, I just think since everything is blocked _anyhow_ because of the unity8/mir landing, it's not yet that urgent
[09:13] <Laney> Don't see why it couldn't be done on ubuntu-devel however
[09:13] <asac> seb128: whats the risk of settings landing? seems that folks worked all weekend to get us to a green dashboard :)
[09:13] <asac> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/4094/
[09:13] <Mirv> builds are building, they are just not getting released
[09:13] <asac> seb128: yeah i am in lexington :)
[09:13] <asac> early bird
[09:13] <Laney> the power of jetlag
[09:15] <marga> Hey, there's a tzdata issue that is screwing up all machines in Israel right now
[09:15] <marga> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tzdata/+bug/1222345
[09:15] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1222345 in tzdata (Ubuntu) "Wrong DST dates in Israel" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[09:15] <seb128> asac, so, I've been told it's due to you that we didn't get any settings update on the touch image for 6 days ... is there anything we can do to get our code to land again? we can't skip weeks like that :/
[09:15] <marga> The 2013d version (currently in saucy) of tzdata needs to be backported into previous ubuntu versions.
[09:15] <Laney> mmm, tzdata
[09:16] <marga> I'm wondering what the version number should be, and if there's going to be someone taking care of this, or if I should.
[09:16] <marga> Saucy version is 2013d-1ubunut1
[09:16] <marga> ubuntu, obviously :)
[09:16] <seb128> marga, hey, thanks for pointing it out
[09:16] <asac> seb128: i dont think its because of us... we looked at the staged changes last friday
[09:17] <asac> and pushed stuff in that didnt look to dangerous (like SDK we kept out)
[09:17] <asac> and unless i am mistaken there was no settings in daily-release staged
[09:17] <Laney> marga: 2013d-0ubuntu0.XX.YY would work if you want to work on that
[09:17] <seb128> asac, the way stacks are done I think settings needs SDK to be published :/
[09:18] <sil2100> seb128: yes, I am
[09:18] <seb128> sil2100, hey
[09:18] <seb128> sil2100, is there any way we can get settings published?
[09:18] <asac> seb128: ok... so let us have a look at the daily-release ppa today in lex
[09:18] <marga> Laney, -0ubuntu? even if the saucy one is -1ubuntu?
[09:18] <seb128> asac, thanks
[09:18] <marga> I'm always surprised by this numbers
[09:18] <asac> seb128: i believe for SDK we do a special manual test run
[09:18] <sil2100> seb128: we're not landing things because asac wanted to have manual publishing set and go through him with everything that we land - it was Mirv's tick right now, but I'll see settings state right now
[09:19] <asac> and if that isn't busted like th elast two times we will punch it in :)
[09:19] <Laney> marga: Oh I was thinking you'd apply the new upstream on top of what was already in precise
[09:19] <sil2100> asac: btw. as I already asked pstolowski in -touch... where can I find the logs from the camera-app automation crash?
[09:19] <Laney> marga: that'd be usual for the SRU (minimal changes)
[09:19] <marga> Laney, yeah, but I don't know if this makes sense for tzdata
[09:19] <marga> I think tzdata is normally pushed as a whole (at least in Debian)
[09:20] <seb128> Laney, marga: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#tzdata
[09:20] <Laney> i.e. we'd usually leave the packaging changes
[09:20] <asac> pstolowski: sil2100: the test is not failing anymore - luckily ... however, there are mediascanner crashes still
[09:20] <asac> pstolowski: sil2100: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/4094/camera-app-autopilot/
[09:20] <Laney> yeah
[09:20] <Laney> like that
[09:20] <asac> and we have click scope crashes ALL THE TIME :)
[09:20] <asac> like see all the "1" crashes http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/4094/
[09:20] <sil2100> pstolowski: ^
[09:20] <Laney> seb128: thanks for pointing, didn't know that existed
[09:21] <seb128> Laney, yw ;-)
[09:21] <seb128> marga, do you plan to work on the update? I can do sponsoring
[09:21] <sil2100> asac: ok, good to know about the automation failure, since I checked both mediascanner and autopilot changes and tests and didn't see any of those cause a crash in camera
[09:21] <marga> seb128, well, if it makes sense.  I have done tzdata updates for Debian, but not for Ubuntu.
[09:22] <seb128> marga, cf the wiki link I just copied, we have a standing exception to update it, we just didn't keep up with doing that
[09:22] <marga> right.  So, what should the version be?
[09:22] <asac> seb128: right. still mediascanner reliably crashes ONLY during the camera-app run
[09:22] <asac> err
[09:22] <asac> sil2100: ^
[09:22] <asac> so i am not really buying the story of mediascanner not being related
[09:23] <asac> so my story now is:
[09:23] <asac> 1. camera saves images
[09:23] <asac> 2. mediascanner crashes and produces super slowdown due to crash file IO
[09:23] <seb128> marga, 2013d-0ubuntu0.<release> it seems
[09:23] <asac> 3. test gets flaki and fails due to timing issues
[09:23] <seb128> marga, e.g 2013d-0ubuntu0.12.04
[09:23] <seb128> marga, 2013d-0ubuntu0.13.04
[09:24] <sil2100> asac: well, that might make sense, it was hard seeing a relation without seeing any test logs ;) Since it's not really reproducible here on my system
[09:24] <sil2100> pstolowski: ^ can you take a look?
[09:24] <marga> seb128, ok.
[09:24] <seb128> marga, thanks
[09:24] <asac> sil2100: you dont get a crash?
[09:24] <asac> it happens close to 100% in automation during the camera-app autopilot
[09:25] <sil2100> So that is indeed something strange
[09:25] <sil2100> pstolowski: if you're busy, I'll just revert that change and release it without it until it's fixed, ok?
[09:25] <sil2100> asac: I guess the first thing to do is filling out a bug, did you manage to do that already?
[09:27] <asac> i dont think filing a bug will help :)
[09:27] <pstolowski> sil2100: can I get the core file from https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/saucy-touch_ro-maguro-smoke-camera-app-autopilot/57/artifact/clientlogs/_usr_bin_mediascanner-service.32011.crash/*view*/ ?
[09:27] <asac> so i leave it to the owners
[09:27] <asac> pstolowski: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/4094/camera-app-autopilot/ ther eis a .crash file
[09:27] <asac> that has a Core included usually
[09:27] <asac> ah you pointed to that
[09:27] <asac> sorry
[09:28] <asac> the CoreDump: area
[09:28] <asac> is the bas64 encoded core
[09:28] <asac> but afaik there is a tool to untangle it
[09:28] <asac> lool: ?
[09:28] <pstolowski> asac: yeah, seen it, but was actually wondering if it's readily available in a more friendly format
[09:29] <sil2100> apport-unpack
[09:29] <asac> sil2100: i think more important - now that i look at it - is to figure what happened wth click scope
[09:29] <asac> that one seems to break
[09:29] <pstolowski> alecu: ^
[09:29] <asac> and crash all the time since a few days
[09:29] <sil2100> pstolowski: try downloading http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/saucy-touch_ro-maguro-smoke-camera-app-autopilot/57/artifact/clientlogs/_usr_bin_mediascanner-service.32011.crash/*view*/ and then using apport-unpack on it
[09:30] <pstolowski> sil2100: yep, it worked, thanks
[09:31] <sil2100> asac: btw. filling bugs will help ;) Since otherwise upstreams at least know there is a problem
[09:31] <sil2100> asac: and they have a base point where they can start off from, write progress, discuss
[09:32] <asac> sil2100: oh ... well, i send them a ping and they should file their own bug io
[09:32] <sil2100> asac: it's a bit more efficient when we have a distributed environment - Florian and some other guys highly recommend filling out bugs whenever there is a problem instead of just directly pinging, as while some people are off some others might see it and pick it up
[09:32] <asac> imo
[09:32] <asac> but yeah i am not saying we shouldnt do bugs at all
[09:33] <asac> sil2100: yeah let me think about that point
[09:33] <asac> the bad about bugs itsw not an interactive thing
[09:34] <seb128> happyaron, hey, do you have an opinion on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libchewing/+bug/1220224 ?
[09:34] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1220224 in libchewing (Ubuntu) "Sync libchewing 0.3.5-2 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[09:36] <marga> seb128, would this have the 7 day wait?
[09:36] <seb128> Laney, if you want some change from system settings, there is a new glib tarball available out there
[09:37] <seb128> marga, no, if we find testers we can probably wave it in today
[09:37] <Laney> seb128: oh cool, that was last week even
[09:37] <seb128> Laney, there is also a new gtk tarball, I'm going to do that one
[09:38] <Laney> the "display languages" ui in u-s-s isn't very friendly
[09:38]  * sil2100 sighs
[09:38] <seb128> Laney, I'm going to test g-s-d today as well
[09:38] <sil2100> Things are all red today...
[09:38] <seb128> Laney, yeah :/
[09:38] <seb128> sil2100, indeed, going to make didrocks happy :p
[09:38] <Laney> gsd> cool
[09:38] <seb128> sil2100, shame, it has been going good and smoothly while he was not there, and the day he's back everything turns ted
[09:38] <seb128> red
[09:39]  * Laney sniggers at everything turning ted
[09:39] <sil2100> seb128: we need jibel, since we won't release anything without working lxc containers in the test machines
[09:39] <sil2100> Mirv: you said you tried rebooting them, yes?
[09:40] <seb128> asac, ^ can you go and wake up jibel :p
[09:41] <sil2100> seb128: ;D It seems Didier is the CAUSE OF ALL EVIL!
[09:42] <asac> hehe
[09:42] <asac> seb128: you can just call the hotel and have your call put through
[09:42] <asac> saying its an emergency
[09:43] <asac> they have single rooms, so you will precisely wake up who you want :)
[09:43] <seb128> haha
[09:44] <seb128> asac, joke aside, it sucks to always being stucked on people on american tz to be up to unscrew CI
[09:44] <seb128> asac, we need better world coverage
[09:45] <asac> yeah
[09:45] <asac> its an understood issue
[09:45] <asac> and one of the main points
[09:46] <asac> "How can we provide 24h lab operations with 8h business hours?"
[09:47] <pstolowski> asac, sil2100 : I've just checked the core, it seems to be race somewhere when files get removed while still being scanned. I really don't see any relation to the fix I recently did in mediascanner, but also can't offer any quickfix right now (chasing bugs in mediascanner is rather time consuming)
[09:48] <marga> seb128, I'm preparing the packages, but I'm not sure how I would give them to you for sponsoring
[09:48] <seb128> marga, scp somewhere I can dget it?
[09:48] <marga> ah, heh, sure :)
[09:48] <seb128> marga, please list the bug number you pointed earlier in the changelog
[09:49] <marga> of course
[09:49] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[09:49] <asac> pstolowski: since the test doesnt fail anymore the priority is a bit lower than "super escalation", but... the crash surely is high priority
[09:49] <Laney> marga: attaching diff.gz and a link to the orig to the bug is usual
[09:49] <pstolowski> asac: understood. and this isn't the only crash we observed with mediascanner...
[09:50] <marga> Laney, right, but this one has a new orig
[09:50] <asac> pstolowski: maybe the race is a systematic thing?
[09:50] <asac> files get removed while being scanned ... hmm
[09:50] <Laney> marga: indeed, hence linking to it
[09:50] <asac> maybe its also when files still grow while you scan?
[09:51] <pstolowski> asac: I haven't seen this particular crash before. the other crash we have is because it or grillo plugins leak filedescriptors
[09:51] <Laney> rather than you uploading it and then the sponsor having to verify you didn't tamper. :-)
[09:54] <asac> pstolowski: anyone else works on mediascanner or is that just you?
[09:55] <pstolowski> asac: my team "inherited" it; I started looking at it last week
[09:55] <pstolowski> asac: reported it https://bugs.launchpad.net/mediascanner/+bug/1222731
[09:55] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1222731 in mediascanner "Mediascanner crashes" [Critical,Confirmed]
[09:58] <asac> thanks
[10:00] <marga> seb128, what should be the distro name <distro>-updates?
[10:00] <Laney> just <series> is fine
[10:02] <Mirv> sil2100: yes
[10:02] <seb128> marga, what Laney said
[10:03] <seb128> Laney, e.g "raring" "precise" works nowadays
[10:13] <sil2100> Mirv, seb128: the otto test machines seem to be somehow broken, it's indeed impossible to start any of the containers, with errors like:
[10:14] <sil2100> chroot: failed to run command ‘useradd’: No such file or directory
[10:17] <Mirv> sil2100: right.. I just wonder if the lxc problems are anyhow related to the autopilot host problem I fixed.
[10:19] <sil2100> Mirv: not sure, it was also a mystery to me that it wasn't installed if it was required - maybe it wasn't really necessary or something, but well, I think we need to poke jibel so that he gives us a walkthrough through the otto machines configuration
[10:21] <sil2100> asac: anyway, sad thing... on Friday we specifically selected the click stack and mediascanner to publish because it seemed safe
[10:21] <sil2100> asac: even if mediascanner changes are not causing trouble, but the click ones you say started crashing
[10:22] <sil2100> So much for 'safe bets'
[10:27] <marga> seb128, packages finished.  They should be available to dget from http://www.marga.com.ar/ubuntu/tzdata/.  Do you want me to give you the 3 dsc urls?
[10:28] <seb128> marga, thanks, and no need for the 3 urls, the one you gave me is easy enough to browse ;-)
[10:32] <seb128> marga, did you decide to not use the same version scheme for raring for a reason?
[10:32] <marga> seb128, no, probably mistake.  Will fix.
[10:32] <seb128> marga, thanks
[10:33] <marga> it's hard not to make mistakes when doing almost the same thing three times.  Sorry, rebuilding now.
[10:35] <darkxst> seb128, hi
[10:35] <seb128> darkxst, hey
[10:35] <darkxst> have you had a chance to look at the g-s-d update?
[10:36] <seb128> darkxst, no yet, but that comment about dropping keys makes me uneasy, it's going to make ubuntu-system-settings abort when opening the battery preferences ... are we sure nothing else in the archive or out there use those keys?
[10:36] <Laney> I searched for it
[10:37] <seb128> Laney, you searched in Ubuntu or just in Debian?
[10:38] <Laney> in Ubuntu using my codesearch instance
[10:38]  * Laney updates its index
[10:38] <seb128> oh, I see
[10:38] <Laney> you have to ignore the branding
[10:38] <Laney> I didn't fix that yet ;-)
[10:38] <seb128> yeah, that confused me
[10:38] <seb128> I though it was the debian tool
[10:39] <seb128> ok, session restart with today updates
[10:39] <seb128> then I do the tzdata sponsoring
[10:39] <seb128> then I test g-s-d
[10:40] <darkxst> Laney, where is your codesearch at?
[10:40] <marga> ouch
[10:40] <Laney> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/
[10:40] <Laney> the index is a couple of weeks old
[10:40] <marga> So, I fixed the versions for the raring packages, but seb left.  I'm off to lunch
[10:42] <darkxst> Laney, right, still nice :)
[10:42] <Laney> ya
[10:42] <seb128> hum
[10:42] <seb128> why is my mouse pointer wrong?
[10:42] <seb128> is anyone seeing that as well today?
[10:43] <Laney> describe wrong, but no
[10:43] <seb128> I get a small dark arrow
[10:43] <seb128> rather than my usual white one
[10:43]  * Laney restarts session
[10:44] <Laney> oh yeah!
[10:45] <seb128> Laney, confirming?
[10:45] <Laney> yep
[10:45] <Laney> what controls that?
[10:45] <seb128> gnome-settings-daemon I would say
[10:45] <Laney> did you get the new one?
[10:45] <seb128> I think it's a gtk xsetting
[10:45] <seb128> no
[10:45] <Laney> well I do
[10:46] <seb128> shrug, I had a lot of updates today
[10:46] <seb128> going to be fun to find which one it could be :/
[10:47] <darkxst> pointers are fine here, but I am running a hybrid mix of gnome 3.9 on this machine
[10:49] <Laney> I got a new hicolor-icon-theme
[10:49] <Laney> does that do cursors?
[10:49] <Laney> wait, wtf, no I didn't
[10:49] <seb128> Laney, what is weird is that I get the correct pointer in tb
[10:50] <Laney> yeah firefox goes to the right one too
[10:50] <seb128> or firefox
[10:50] <seb128> did we get a gtk3 update?
[10:50] <Laney> ah new gnome-themes-standard
[10:50] <seb128> ah
[10:51] <seb128> no cursor changes in there though it seems
[10:52] <seb128> oh, in that one
[10:52] <seb128> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/140848282/gnome-themes-standard_3.6.5-0ubuntu1_3.8.1-2ubuntu1.diff.gz
[10:52] <seb128> +  [ Josselin Mouette ]
[10:52] <seb128> +  * Install a cursor.theme to configure the default X cursor.
[10:52] <seb128> +  * Set up the x-cursor-theme alternative.
[10:57] <Laney> is dmz-theme what we use?
[10:58] <Laney> yep
[10:58] <Laney> so I guess we should add a higher alternate for that one
[11:03] <Laney> oh, well, I had manually installed g-themes-standard
[11:03] <Laney> so arguably it's ok
[11:03] <asac> sil2100: yeah. sad
[11:04] <asac> sil2100: did we land the click scope ?
[11:04] <asac> ralsina: check with sil2100 to narrow down the regression window
[11:04]  * asac bbi2h
[11:09] <Mirv> sil2100: on Friday yes https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/saucy-changes/2013-September/009662.html
[11:11] <seb128> Laney, what do you mean "manually installed so it's ok"? it's still a config change on upgrade
[11:12] <sil2100> ;)
[11:15] <marga> seb128, I see that you uploaded the packages, do you need me to do anything?
[11:16] <seb128> marga, if you can help verifying the updates/getting people to help testing those, once they are accepted, it would be good
[11:16] <seb128> marga, otherwise no
[11:16] <Laney> hmm
[11:16] <seb128> marga, thanks for the updates! ;-)
[11:16] <Laney> darkxst: do you intentionally seed the dmz-cursor-theme?
[11:17] <marga> no prob. Thanks for the quick response.
[11:18] <larsu> how did the scroll direction work on i-sound? I assume scrolling up meant volume up?
[11:18] <Laney> presumably
[11:19] <larsu> well that's how it's going to be then :) Thanks!
[11:19] <seb128> marga, just to make sure, is the current tzdata already leading to wrong time or is that going to happen in the futur?
[11:19] <marga> seb128, it's already happening.
[11:19] <seb128> larsu, correct
[11:19] <seb128> larsu, that's good common sense no? :p
[11:19] <seb128> marga, ok, thanks
[11:20] <darkxst> Laney, we use the Adwaita cursor them
[11:20] <darkxst> theme
[11:20] <Laney> darkxst: I guess you want to unseed it yet
[11:20] <Laney> s/yet/then/
[11:20] <larsu> seb128: yep, just wanted to make sure :)
[11:20] <Laney> I think we'll have to make dmz-cursor-theme have a higher priority
[11:20]  * larsu never uses that feature, has hardware buttons for volume
[11:21] <marga> For precise/quantal it started yesterday.  For raring it's still ok, it will be wrong in 3 weeks.
[11:21]  * seb128 has on y laptop, but not on his desk keyboard
[11:21] <seb128> marga, ok, the bug description was not really clear about that, thanks for confirming
[11:22] <seb128> marga, I pinged directly on #ubuntu-release, let's see how that works
[11:26] <darkxst> Laney, ok will do
[11:26] <Laney> cool
[11:27] <seb128> marga, want to do the lucid SRU as well? ;-)
[11:27] <marga> seb128, suuuure.
[11:27] <seb128> marga, thanks!
[11:44] <lool> pstolowski: I see you found my original report
[11:44] <pstolowski> lool: yes, thanks for that
[11:44] <lool> pstolowski: you can extract coredump from .crash with apport-unpack
[11:45] <lool> pstolowski: and you can even sometimes jump straight to gdb with apport-retrace -g
[11:45] <pstolowski> lool: yep, figured that, thanks
[11:46] <lool> pstolowski: I tried to debug it a bit; it seems related to the cancellation, like the gst_listener being NULL-ed and then used again
[11:46] <lool> but I couldn't figure it out this week-end and thought that people who worked on the code would have a better chance of finding this quickly
[11:47] <lool> pstolowski: looks like an old bug that is just popping now because we're using it on the device
[11:47] <lool> pstolowski: BTW what are we going to do with the mediascanner?  search for medias in scopes?
[11:48] <pstolowski> lool: yes, it's just coincidence it showed up after my other bugfix
[11:49] <pstolowski> lool: mediascanner keeps track of all media files on the device, and exposes them to scopes
[11:57] <marga> seb128, http://www.marga.com.ar/ubuntu/tzdata/lucid/tzdata_2013d-0ubuntu0.10.04.dsc
[11:57] <seb128> marga, thanks!
[12:11] <pitti> Good morning
[12:12] <Laney> I was about to say something and then I realised where pitti is :P
[12:13] <pitti> Laney: well, I did get up at 5 am as usual, just in a wrong TZ :)
[12:13] <pitti> just didn't check IRC this morning yet
[12:13] <pitti> my first time in the Lexington office
[12:15] <seb128> pitti, hey, how are you? had a good flight? how is Lexington?
[12:16] <pitti> seb128: yes, it was quite fine; everything worked, did some hacking, reading, and watched Oblivion
[12:16] <pitti> seb128: and I trained myself into the TZ before, I went to bed very late on Fri/Sat :)
[12:16] <seb128> pitti, I liked that movie, but mostly for the amazing images ... I guess you didn't get that effect in a plane :p
[12:16] <pitti> seb128: Lexington seems to be in the middle of a forest, but surrounded by ridiculous traffic jam at the same time
[12:17] <pitti> seb128: otherwise, quite similar to the London office, just much smaller
[12:17] <seb128> k
[12:17] <sil2100> Mirv: I guess you can also take a look here in the meantime: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro-config/diverge_autopilot/+merge/184551
[12:17] <sil2100> ;)
[12:17] <sil2100> fginther: hi!
[12:17] <sil2100> fginther: do you know if jibel is somewhere nearby?
[12:17] <pitti> seb128: heh, no; usual crappy screen, but it was an okay story
[12:17] <seb128> yeah, I really enjoyed the first half
[12:17] <sil2100> fginther: since I guess we would really need his help with the otto autopilot machines and containers, as everything is badly broken
[12:18] <sil2100> fginther: and seb128 (as probably everyone else) would really like to get some things released finally ;)
[12:18] <seb128> pitti, the end is a bit disappointing/no real surprise ... but I mostly liked the movie as well ;-)
[12:19] <seb128> pitti, if you see a jibel, please poke him, lxc containers are screwed and we can't do landing
[12:20] <fginther> sil2100, He's not here at the moment
[12:20] <pitti> seb128: I saw him at breakfast this morning, but he'll take the second bus; so he should arrive in 15 mins or so
[12:20] <seb128> pitti, ok
[12:20] <sil2100> ;_;
[12:20] <pitti> seb128: but I finally watched "Fight club" Saturday night; that was surprisingly good
[12:21] <pitti> (gotta keep yourself awake with something -- so it was that movie and playing Descent until 2:30 :) )
[12:21] <seb128> ;-)
[12:21] <seb128> I didn't that one either
[12:21] <sil2100> Oh, Fight Club, that was a fun movie to watch, I would watch it once again since it's been a while
[12:21] <seb128> but it reminds me I saw it in the tv grid for the week, I wonder if I missed it again
[12:21] <pitti> My sister saw it in, what, 1999?, and didn't like it
[12:22] <seb128> lot of people talked about it by then, seems still worth watching
[12:22] <pitti> yes, absolutely
[12:23] <pitti> it was funny to see people using public phones and no mobiles, etc.
[12:25] <seb128> hehe
[12:26] <Mirv> sil2100: so is the idea to temporarily have 'head' actually AP 1.3 while trunk can be developed at will, until at some point 1.3 would be moved to saucy release cu2d proper an head would again have trunk?
[12:30] <sil2100> Mirv: yes, that's the idea - since we're not moving all cupstream2distro-config things from Head to Saucy yet
[12:30] <sil2100> Mirv: while we want to still enable the AP guys to work on python 3 porting etc. without any problems on trunk
[13:10] <seb128> marga, ok, SRUs approved, they need verification next
[13:11] <marga> seb128, good
[13:11] <seb128> Laney, darkxst, jbicha: ok, just built the new g-s-d from the current vcs/installed that, keyboard panel in g-c-c abort on missing gsettings key
[13:11] <seb128> Settings schema 'org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.media-keys' does not contain a key named 'switch-input-source'
[13:11] <seb128> not a great start...
[13:13] <seb128> same for the region&language panel
[13:16] <jbicha> seb128: yes you need gnome-control-center too from https://launchpad.net/~darkxst/+archive/gsd38/+packages
[13:17] <seb128> jbicha, shrug
[13:18] <seb128> those key changes make me quite unhappy
[13:18] <seb128> hum
[13:18] <seb128> did gnome-keyring stop working for anyone else?
[13:18] <seb128> well, the ssh agent at least
[13:19] <seb128> jbicha, is there a vcs with that version?
[13:22] <jbicha> no, not yet
[13:23] <seb128> hum, k
[13:31] <Laney> jbicha: probably needs a breaks for older g-c-cs
[13:36] <jibel> seb128, I replied to Mirv , daily-release jobs can not run because the kernel fails to load the module aufs.
[13:37] <seb128> jibel, hey, did you have a good flight?
[13:37] <seb128> jibel, ok, is that a kernel bug or...?
[13:37] <jibel> Mirv, can you please file a bug against the kernel and ping them on #ubuntu-kernel?
[13:37] <jibel> seb128, flight was uneventful, so good thanks.
[13:38] <jibel> seb128, yes I think it is a kernel bug it started with 3.11.0-5.11-generic
[13:39] <jibel> seb128, aufs fails to load with "ERROR: could not insert 'aufs': Function not implemented" with this kernel
[13:42] <seb128> jibel, ok
[13:48] <jbicha> Laney: I don't think your dmz cursor theme change is useful
[13:53] <Laney> why
[13:53] <alex_abreu> sil2100, ping
[13:56] <jbicha> because Ubuntu doesn't install gnome-themes-standard by default; I think we can assume that people that have Adwaita installed don't mind the Adwaita mouse cursor or can use gnome-tweak-tool to pick something different
[13:57] <seb128> jbicha, Laney: btw I uninstalled gnome-themes-standard and my cursor is still wrong
[13:57] <seb128> restarted the session as well
[13:58] <jbicha> ISTR there's a second place where the cursor theme is set
[13:58] <Laney> I discussed the intended semantics of the alternatives in #-gnome and this is right
[13:59] <Laney> Tim is going to unseed dmz from ubuntu GNOME
[13:59] <seb128> k
[13:59] <seb128> what do you I need to do to get back my nice cursor? :p
[13:59] <rsalveti> Laney: hey, do you plan to integrate the gst 1.1.4 packages soon?
[13:59] <seb128> (ideally I should have to do nothing, things should just go back to what they were)
[14:00] <rsalveti> I saw you updated the ppa already
[14:00] <Laney> rsalveti: I have an FFe
[14:00] <Laney> so, whenever that is approved
[14:00] <rsalveti> Laney: right, have the bug around?
[14:00] <Laney> bug #1220588
[14:00] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1220588 in gstreamer1.0 (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Update GStreamer stack to 1.1.4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1220588
[14:02] <rsalveti> thanks
[14:15] <seb128> jbicha, darkxst, Laney: I'm happy enough with the new g-s-d (out of a screen locking bug that I mentioned on launchpad)
[14:15] <Laney> cool
[14:15] <desrt> new ALL the things!
[14:15] <Laney> 3.10 time?
[14:16] <seb128> lol
[14:17] <seb128> desrt, did you make uncompatible glib changes again? I just uploaded the fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seahorse/+bug/1222538 ... but I don't like much the "glib changed making app to be patched to work again"
[14:17] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1222538 in seahorse-nautilus (Ubuntu) "Unable to encrypt & or sign files with current glib" [Low,Fix committed]
[14:17] <desrt> seb128: not afaik?
[14:17] <jbicha> seb128: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/707769
[14:17] <ubot2`> Gnome bug 707769 in power "Lid close doesn't lock screen if lid-close-action not set to suspend" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[14:17] <desrt> seb128: this is colin's bug
[14:18] <desrt> seb128: and i think we already fixed it
[14:18] <seb128> desrt, k, maybe that's part of the glib update we didn't get yet
[14:18] <seb128> jbicha, thanks
[14:19] <desrt> seb128: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698081
[14:19] <ubot2`> Gnome bug 698081 in mainloop "Pidgin hangs in g_spawn_command_line_sync" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[14:19] <seb128> desrt, that one is quite old, I remember we discussed pidgin around raring release time
[14:19] <seb128> desrt, seahorse-nautilus was still not working in saucy with glib 2.37.5 though
[14:19] <desrt> seb128: this error was introduced in the same monster of a commit that caused the pidgin problems :/
[14:20] <desrt> sigh...
[14:20] <desrt> and here i was, hoping to do something productive today
[14:20] <seb128> desrt, anyway I uploaded https://git.gnome.org/browse/seahorse-nautilus/commit/?id=c41f07cf5785b2d755b85f20bf0546c6ce2ebb02 which fixes it, I hope we don't have other similar bugs
[14:20] <seb128> desrt, don't worry about it, maybe it's all good, I'm going to keep an eye for bugs that might be similar, but it's likely we are going to have none
[14:20] <desrt> oh
[14:21] <desrt> erm.  this is just a warning according to stef's commit
[14:21] <seb128> desrt, well, for some reason seahorse-nautilus stopped working ...
[14:21] <desrt> i wonder if it had fatal warnings or something
[14:22] <seb128> desrt, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=981580#c12
[14:22] <ubot2`> bugzilla.redhat.com bug 981580 in glib2 "Glib regression related to SIGCHLD warnings" [Unspecified,New]
[14:24] <seb128> marga, tzdata updates released to -updates for precise-quantal-raring (lucid still to be done and then we are all good)
[14:24] <desrt> marga: hey.  any progress on that binary nfs-safe dconf backend? :)
[14:25] <marga> desrt, :-/  I have it in my queue, but it lost priority over here.
[14:25] <marga> seb128, yes, I saw, my machine already picked up the precise change, thanks.
[14:26] <desrt> marga: know how that feels...
[14:26] <seb128> marga, excellent! yw ;-)
[14:27] <desrt> seb128: so i understand the problem now.... and it's a bit of a mixed bag
[14:27] <desrt> the bad behaviour was in seahorse, for sure
[14:27] <desrt> and maybe other apps out there
[14:28] <desrt> when they do things in the way that they were before, they install a child watch into glib that never ever gets satisfied
[14:28] <desrt> and may inadvertantly reap the wrong child at some future point if PIDs get recycled
[14:28] <desrt> the difference is that we changed the behaviour that we have in this case from leaking forever to immediately reporting the child as exited, with a warning
[14:28] <desrt> and this behaviour change is what caused the issue
[14:29] <desrt> from the standpoint of "this will allow us to find broken applications easier" i sort of like colin's change
[14:29] <seb128> ok, so seahorse was basically working by luck, relying on a buggy code which happened to work
[14:29] <desrt> well.... it was installing a watch that would never be satisfied
[14:30] <desrt> and glib was trying over and over again to satisfy the faulty watch
[14:30] <desrt> and each time it did this, it would add another one to the list
[14:30] <desrt> so now it's just removed from the list immediately, a warning is printed and (the imcompatible change) it's immediately dispatched
[14:30] <desrt> *incompatible
[14:30] <seb128> I see
[14:31] <seb128> I guess that's ok, it's not like it was making "good code" not work anymore
[14:31] <seb128> it's making buggy code more visibly buggy :p
[14:31] <desrt> this was a somewhat arbitrary decision on colin's part.   he could have just as well removed it from the list, given the warning, then dropped it on the floor, which would have been closer to the old behaviour
[14:31] <desrt> but ya... dispatching the handler immediately does make the bug more obvious
[14:31] <desrt> which is nice
[14:32] <desrt> anyway... case closed as far as i'm concerned... if you get more bugs like this, tell upstream to talk to me about why the problem is their fault :p
[14:33] <seb128> desrt, wfm, thanks for the explanations ;-)
[14:44] <desrt> seb128: your measure disk usage API just landed
[14:45] <seb128> desrt, \o/
[14:45] <seb128> desrt, thanks ;-)
[14:55] <mdeslaur> seb128: is there a new bug for gnome-settings-daemon not locking the screen when the lid is closed?
[14:56] <seb128> mdeslaur, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/707769
[14:56] <ubot2`> Gnome bug 707769 in power "Lid close doesn't lock screen if lid-close-action not set to suspend" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[14:56] <mdeslaur> seb128: no ubuntu bug yet?
[14:56] <seb128> mdeslaur, but that's not in Ubuntu yet, it's part of the 3.8 update that is FFe discussed
[14:56] <seb128> mdeslaur, I mentioned it on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/1219486
[14:56] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1219486 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "FFe: Update gnome-settings-daemon to 3.8.4" [Wishlist,New]
[14:57] <mdeslaur> seb128: oh, I thought I saw 3.8.5 go by on the saucy-changes list
[14:58] <seb128> mdeslaur, shrug, jbicha just jumped on it and uploaded it seems
[14:58] <seb128> jbicha, was the FFe even officially approved?
[14:59] <seb128> mdeslaur, seems like jbicha didn't consider the bug important enough to get it fixed before upload, I'm not sure I'm happy about that
[14:59] <seb128> mdeslaur, but it's uploaded now...
[14:59] <mdeslaur> hrm
[15:03] <happyaron> seb128: I've commented on that bug, it seems the crash fixes are really helpful, but breaking scim-chewing isn't something we want
[15:07] <jbicha> seb128: I thought you said you were happy enough with the update and Laney approved the FFe conditional on you being happy
[15:07] <seb128> jbicha, out of the locking issue yes :p
[15:07] <Laney> They promised to fix any regressions ...
[15:08] <seb128> jbicha, oh, well, I just hope somebody is going to make sure it's fixed before release
[15:08] <Laney> so I expect this to be resolved quite soon
[15:08] <seb128> wfm
[15:09] <Laney> bah
[15:09] <seb128> jbicha, did you look at updating gtk to 3.8.4 (I'm about to do it but don't want to dup work)
[15:09] <Laney> qml is giving me a hard time today
[15:10] <seb128> Laney, what are you fighting with? (I doubt I can help much but who knows)
[15:10] <Laney> the change password dialog
[15:10] <Laney> I had a bug where it was saying a value was undefined until I printed it with console.log then it worked ...
[15:11] <seb128> Laney, btw please review https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/battery-new-idle-key/+merge/184588 ... jbicha uploading g-s-d means ubuntu-system-settings' battery panel is going to abort() on missing gsettings key until that lands
[15:11] <larsu> what's handling the hardware volume keys on the phone? Is it also gnome-settings-daemon?
[15:11] <Laney> oh yeah, k
[15:11]  * seb128 shakes fist in direction of desrt for the abort() on missing keys
[15:11] <Laney> not that u-s-s is landing ...
[15:11] <seb128> yeah, that's the next issue then :/
[15:11] <desrt> seb128: hi.  thanks for thinking of me.
[15:11] <jbicha> seb128: no, I'm not working on the gtk3 update
[15:11] <seb128> larsu, no, no gnome-settings-daemon on the phone (that depends on gtk and has quite some x11 code)
[15:12] <seb128> jbicha, ok, I'm start it on it then, thanks
[15:12] <seb128> larsu, powerd does I think
[15:12]  * desrt notes that gnome 3.10 has an experimental wayland version this cycle
[15:12] <desrt> i wonder what they're doing for g-s-d....
[15:12] <larsu> seb128: interesting. Thanks :)
[15:12] <seb128> desrt, https://live.gnome.org/Wayland/gnome-settings-daemon
[15:13] <seb128> desrt, quite some TBD still, I guess they turn off a part of the plugins
[15:13] <desrt> ya.  i guess so too.
[15:13] <desrt> this page reads like
[15:13] <desrt> plugin a: this plugin communicates with X to take care of setting up A
[15:13] <desrt> plugin b: this plugin communicates with X to take care of setting up B
[15:13] <desrt> ...
[15:13] <seb128> though the page is quite outdated
[15:14] <sil2100> alex_abreu: hi!
[15:14] <seb128> desrt, https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnomecc-list/2013-July/msg00000.html has a more recent status
[15:15] <desrt> pah
[15:15] <sil2100> alex_abreu: good thing you pinged me, damn, I almost forgot about the issue
[15:15] <sil2100> jibel: hi!
[15:16] <sil2100> jibel: did the guys already inform you about the autopilot otto machine problems we're having?
[15:16] <larsu> seb128: hm, doesn't look like it's in powerd. Do you have any idea who I could ask?
[15:16] <seb128> larsu, #ubuntu-touch
[15:17] <larsu> ah, right :)
[15:17] <desrt> i'd guess it's handled in the compositor....
[15:17] <desrt> the hardware buttons probably get translated to input subsystem events... which get slurped up by the compositor... we have no mechanism for global key grabs afaik, so they'd have to be handled there.
[15:20] <larsu> desrt: that makes sense, but I'm looking to find the code that responds to those events and changes the volume
[15:20] <larsu> as that seems to be buggy :)
[15:25] <alex_abreu> sil2100, :)
[15:25] <alex_abreu> sil2100, have you had time to think about it?
[15:31] <jibel> sil2100, yes. It's a kernel issue, apw is working on it.
[15:31] <apw> jibel, which one is that
[15:32] <jibel> apw, aufs failing to load
[15:32] <apw> jibel, ahh yes
[15:33] <apw> jibel, yeah we know what that is and have a fix, it will be in teh next upload
[15:33] <jibel> apw, thanks
[15:36] <sil2100> \o/
[15:36] <sil2100> alex_abreu: sitting down to that now
[15:49] <sil2100> alex_abreu: another problem with the libunity-webapps webbrowser-app dependency and powerpc problem is that well, essentially there is no FFe for webapps
[15:49] <alex_abreu> sil2100, yeah there is https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-webapps-qml/+bug/1207515
[15:49] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1207515 in webbrowser-app "[FFE] Webapps container for Desktop" [Undecided,New]
[15:50] <sil2100> alex_abreu: oh, did it get reviewed and approved?
[15:51] <alex_abreu> sil2100, I think so ... didrocks +1'nd it I think, not sure if something else is needed
[15:54] <sil2100> alex_abreu: ok, since the thing is, this change would fire up a really big chain of powerpc-support drops, since without libunity-webapps for powerpc, we won't have bamfdaemon for powerpc, so there won't be no unity as well
[15:54] <sil2100> So I guess I need to think of a different solution
[15:55]  * sil2100 wonders why someone released webapps before the weekend
[15:55] <alex_abreu> sil2100, I don't think I see the connection there, why no bamf if no libunity-webapps ?
[15:55] <sil2100> alex_abreu: because bamfdaemon depends on libunity-webapps0, so it won't be installable if we drop libunity-webapps0 for powerpc
[15:56] <alex_abreu> argh right forgot about it
[15:57] <alex_abreu> sil2100, can we have conditional depends? based on arch
[15:57] <sil2100> alex_abreu: we could, but the code would have to be written so that it would still work without webbrowser-app installed
[15:57] <sil2100> Would that be possible?
[15:58] <sil2100> To have a 'powerpc fallback' code path
[15:59] <alex_abreu> sil2100, yes, that's why I am asking
[16:02] <sil2100> alex_abreu: we can either do a conditional dependency (which I guess would be fine, as it's better than not having unity for powerpc) or maybe try something with Suggests/Recommends
[16:03] <sil2100> seb128: what happens if a package Recommends: some other package that is not available? Is it like with a dependency, or is it 'more ok' in that case?
[16:06] <seb128> sil2100, we shouldn't do that, but we mostly get away with it
[16:06] <seb128> they still show on e.g component mismatch
[16:10] <sil2100> seb128: so in this case a conditional platform-wise dependency would be ok, what do you think?
[16:11] <sil2100> From the distro point-of-view
[16:17] <alex_abreu> sil2100, we could add an arch dependant dep and I could adjust the code ... or we could go the dirty recommends route
[16:17] <sil2100> didrocks: hello! How were your holidays? :)
[16:18] <sil2100> alex_abreu: for now, let's just adjust the code anyway, since I guess that in both cases I would like that rule to be around
[16:18] <alex_abreu> sil2100, +1
[16:18] <sil2100> alex_abreu: thanks!
[16:18] <didrocks> hey sil2100, the holidays were excellent, thanks!
[16:18] <alex_abreu> sil2100, I'll MR you the changes
[16:19] <sil2100> didrocks: all rested and refreshed I hope ;)!
[16:19] <sil2100> alex_abreu: excellent, will be waiting :)
[16:20] <didrocks> sil2100: and jetlagged :p
[16:21] <sil2100> didrocks: after the 'sudden' flight to the US I guess that's normal ;) Should I already prepare the Saucy series in cu2d-config? ;)
[16:22] <didrocks> sil2100: please do, think about fghinter to change the process about it please :)
[16:22] <sil2100> didrocks: at least with the QA stack for now (and slowly migrating other projects one by one)
[16:22] <sil2100> Aye!
[16:23] <seb128> didrocks, hey, welcome back!
[16:23] <didrocks> hey seb128! ça va?
[16:23] <seb128> didrocks, très bien, et toi ?
[16:23] <didrocks> read that you loved the g-c-c changes :p
[16:23] <didrocks> ça va, mais déjà dans le bain rapidement!
[16:24] <seb128> didrocks, on t'as pas vu de la journée, dans le bain des vacances ? :p (c'est bien Lexington ?-)
[16:24] <seb128> ;-)
[16:24] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, I always love late changes in a cycle, you know me ;-)
[16:25] <didrocks> seb128: dans des meetings (il est 12h20 ici) but I woke up at 2h30 :/
[16:25] <seb128> :-(
[16:25] <didrocks> just didn't connect to IRC, only reading emails
[16:25] <seb128> seems like the time I go to bed atm :p
[16:29] <didrocks> argh…
[16:29]  * didrocks hugs seb128
[16:30]  * didrocks away for a while
[16:32]  * seb128 hugs didrocks
[16:55] <mdeslaur> argh
[16:55]  * mdeslaur shakes fist at whoever killed the session saver plugin from gedit
[18:04] <sil2100> didrocks, fginther: https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-desktop-team/cupstream2distro-config/new_saucy_series/+merge/184641 <-
[18:09] <didrocks> sil2100: I think fginther's won't understand the to_transition or will it?
[18:10] <fginther> didrocks, sil2100, upstream merger will skip projects under to_transition (which I believe is the right action)
[18:12] <didrocks> so we are good for stuff diverged I guess :)
[18:13] <fginther> sil2100, I have an question for thomi regarding the autopilot ppas
[18:13] <czajkowski> anyone else having this bug issue? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1107926
[18:13] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1107926 in bamf (Ubuntu) "bamfdaemon crashed with signal 5 in _XReply()" [Medium,Confirmed]
[18:13] <czajkowski> I've done daily updates today and still running into it
[18:14] <didrocks> sil2100: you will need to ask as well jibel I guess to create the views
[18:28] <seb128> czajkowski, try pinging Trevinho


[23:06] <bigjools> smoser, roaksoax: can you confirm the solution mentioned here? https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1119594


[05:15] <bryce> ok, revert dialog seems to work, although my devel box for some reason borks up when setting to a lower resolution.  Only piece of hw I have that does that though.  Odd.
[05:27] <bryce> http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Testing/XrandrGui/xrandrgui-04.png
[08:10] <bryce> tjaalton: I see you've already been active on bug 184651, so probably already know about the patch attached to it, but in case not, I wanted to make mention of it
[08:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 184651 in xorg-server "Crash when starting gnome-settings-daemon" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184651
[08:10] <tjaalton> it's fixed upstream, and the patch is in debian too and was on my local tree
[08:10] <bryce> that bug got mentioned at the distro team meeting as high priority by evand and cjwatson (who are on one of the dupes of that bug )
[08:10] <bryce> awesome
[08:10] <tjaalton> shouldn't it have been milestoned then?-)
[08:11] <bryce> hmm, seems to be milestoned
[08:14] <tjaalton> ah, right
[08:14] <tjaalton> duh
[08:16] <bryce> seb128: http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Testing/XrandrGui/xrandrgui-04.png
[08:16] <seb128> hey bryce
[08:16] <seb128> ah, nice!
[10:48] <bryce> seb128: patches, packages, and debs posted to bug #197673
[10:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197673 in gnome-control-center "gnome-display-properties should revert change automatically if not acknowledged" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/197673
[10:48] <seb128> bryce: excellent
[10:48] <bryce> needs testing next
[10:50] <bryce> it would be nice to get the gnome-desktop patch uploaded, because it's a dependency for the other two.
[10:51] <bryce> also, don't forget the three updated patches at http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Testing/XrandrGui/
[10:51] <bryce> these also need integrated/tested.
[10:51] <bryce> night.
[10:53] <seb128> bryce: well, you have upload rights now ;-)
[10:53] <seb128> bryce: do you want me to test those and upload if that works correctly on my hardy?
[10:54] <seb128> bryce: 'night
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #210646 in xorg-server "After xorg and gtk updates many programs run extremely slow" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210646
[11:16] <ubotu> New bug: #210652 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "[Hardy] ltmodem driver missing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210652
[11:18] <ubotu> New bug: #210660 in compiz (main) "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV when attempting to switch users (dup-of: 160264)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210660
[11:19] <ubotu> New bug: #210390 in xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd (universe) "unable to rotate screen using gnome-display-properties" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210390
[11:46] <dennda> bryce: I am sorry for not being very responsive. I am still a bit busy but I hope we can start working on debugging tomorrow
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #210740 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "gnome-display-properties: resolution change does not do anything for internal notebook display" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210740
[13:36] <ubotu> New bug: #210780 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "X slower after upgrade to 4GB RAM" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210780
[15:21] <ubotu> New bug: #208428 in ubiquity (main) "Ubuntu does not install (dup-of: 184651)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/208428
[15:41] <ubotu> New bug: #210830 in xdm (universe) "[hardy] XDM: huge font size" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210830
[16:15] <bryce> seb128_: with the three updated patches, what needs to happen is to replace the corresponding patches in the three packages, and then update all the other patches as needed since some of the code changes may cause minor breakage.
[16:15] <seb128_> bryce: ok
[16:15] <bryce> dennda: ok no prob, yeah I know how it goes re:busy.
[16:16] <seb128_> bryce: could you try to remove debug g_print calls in those patches? I would like to not have .xsession-errors flooded with non issues in hardy
[16:17] <bryce> seb128_: by "the three updated patches" I mean the redhat patches I posted at http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Testing/XrandrGui/, not the revert dialog patches
[16:17] <seb128_> ok
[16:17] <seb128_> let's go by steps and get the revert changes in first
[16:18] <bryce> the revert dialog patches aren't ready for upload yet - in addition to the g_print() calls there's at least one situation I know of that will cause it to not work right
[16:18] <seb128_> ok
[16:18] <seb128_> also I commented on the bug, I just had a quick look to the gnome-desktop one
[16:19] <bryce> well, if you can work on the new redhat patches, I can continue work on the revert dialog to get that done in the meantime, and then help in with what remains for the redhat patches
[16:19] <seb128_> you like file in the return false cases
[16:19] <seb128_> s/like/leak
[16:19] <seb128_> in what order do you want to do things?
[16:19] <seb128_> update to current redhat versions first
[16:19] <seb128_> and then do the undo?
[16:20] <bryce> I think the revert dialog should get uploaded first; it's almost done.  I expect once the new redhat stuff is packaged we'll need to test it a day or so
[16:23] <seb128__> re
[16:23] <seb128__> sorry sucking dsl line today
 ok
[16:24] <seb128__>  btw you need to rebase your gnome-desktop changes on the current hardy version
[16:24] <seb128__>  the upload was only a shlibs update
[16:24] <seb128__>  so no conflict there, just the changelog and the .shlibs which changed
[16:24] <seb128__> bryce: ^ dunno if you got that before the disconnect
[16:24] <bryce> oh ok, I'd checked the base before I started but it must have been updated in the meantime
[16:25] <seb128__> yes, I did update yesterday to fix a bug
[16:35] <ubotu> New bug: #210861 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "X server crashes when compiz is enabled and I try to use -vo xv in MPlayer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210861
[17:40] <dennda> bryce: In which language is the new gnome-display-properties written?
[17:41] <dennda> I can't seem to find the source
[17:41] <dennda> (I am experiencing quite a few bugs and I'd love to help fixing all of them)
[17:43] <seb128> dennda: C
[17:43] <seb128> dennda: apt-get source gnome-control-center
[17:44] <dennda> gna
[17:44] <dennda> don't know C yet, unfortunately
[17:44] <dennda> was hoping it was python
[17:46] <bryce> most of the meat of the code is actually in gnome-desktop
[17:46] <bryce> dennda: well if you care to learn C, I'm available to answer questions
[17:47] <dennda> bryce: I do, but that'll be some point in the future. Many things to do at the moment
[17:47] <dennda> but thanks
[17:54] <dennda> Hm are there patches for X3100 still in the queue? (Video has some bugs with compiz enabled)
[21:35] <bryce> phoronix test suite released (GPLv3)
[21:53] <tormod> hi there! I find it alarming how many GL screensavers are crashing nowadays, see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/ Of course most of them are nvidia and fglrx...
[21:54] <tjaalton> hey, I've witnessed matrixview hanging my coworkers desktop :)
[21:54] <tjaalton> on nvidia
[21:56] <bryce> yeah I've just triaged all the -fglrx bugs, and it seems there are a lot of DRI/DRM/GLX type of issues
[21:56] <bryce> from the limited amount I've dug into them, I wonder if a kernel module is missing or something
[21:57] <bryce> I cut the number of -fglrx bugs in l-r-m by half :-)
[21:57] <tormod> wouldn't a missing module just disable DRI and actually avoid the crashes?
[21:57] <bryce> well you'd think so
[21:58] <bryce> I'm not really sure though - like I said I didn't dig into any of the bugs very far
[21:58] <bryce> tormod: btw ati has been bugging me for our "top 5 bugs", so if you have some to suggest, I can pass them up the chain
[21:58] <tormod> (wildly guessing) could it be a compiler issue, some new defaults, broken optimizations etc?
[21:58] <bryce> I'm guessing they'll just say it's not their problem (kernel issue) or some such, but maybe then we'd have more info
[21:59] <bryce> an ABI issue would be more likely I'd guess
[21:59] <tormod> ati? as in Alex and Dave?
[21:59] <bryce> I don't really know enough about how the fglrx<->kernel integration is set up to say
[21:59] <tormod> or AMD?
[22:00] <bryce> ah, I mean the ATI engineers inside AMD who develop fglrx
[22:01] <tormod> hard to pick the "top 5" since no reports have a useful backtrace
[22:02] <tormod> they could have a look at my xscreensaver link above
[22:03] <bryce> yeah that's my thought too
[22:03] <jcristau> of course they don't have a useful backtrace, it's proprietary crap
[22:03] <bryce> jcristau: well sometimes the surrounding X calls have some clues
[22:04] <bryce> but unfortunately most of the auto-gathered ones in launchpad don't even have that, so they're even more useless than usual ;-)
[22:04] <Ng> tjaalton: do you ever see a green console before/after suspend?
[22:04] <tjaalton> Ng: I've seen that yes
[22:05] <Ng> it started happening on mine a couple of days ago and has done on every subsequent suspend/resume (I've not rebooted yet)
[22:05] <tjaalton> I'll check again after -13 is usable
[22:06] <bryce> tormod: heh, can you see all the private crash bugs in xscreensaver?
[22:06] <bryce> you're not kidding about there being a ton of crash bugs
[22:06] <tormod> bryce: no, ah don't tell me I just see the top of the iceberg
[22:07] <Ng> tjaalton: don't spose there's anything I can do while it's like this, is there? I really need to reboot to get an unoopsed kernel so I can get some debugging info for another bug ;/
[22:07] <Ng> tjaalton: s/do/do to debug this/, that is
[22:08] <bryce> tormod: there's another 9 marked private.  I'll unprivate them
[22:10] <tjaalton> Ng: I'm not sure.. maybe -13 is better since there were some changes related to drm
[22:10] <bryce> there we go
[22:10] <tormod> there are also some r300 and radeon crashes. Is apport working better than before?
[22:11] <bryce> I'd talked with pitti about it a couple weeks ago; apparently it had broken and stopped doing it's work correctly, but he kicked it and said it should work properly now
[22:12] <tormod> bryce: that might explain why these crashes started to flood a few days ago
[22:13] <tormod> btw why is "cdrom" listed in NonfreeKernelModules?
[22:13] <Ng> tjaalton: ok
[22:13] <bryce> tormod: heh I noticed that too.  nfi
[22:15] <bryce> maybe this has to do with it<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:15] <ubotu> New bug: #209414 in ubuntu "Atheros 5007 reported incorrectly as "Atheros Communications, Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01) " on Amilo 1718li Laptop in Hardy Heron Beta (dup-of: 182489)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209414
[22:16] <bryce> oooh, that could explain the performance bugs we got too
[22:17] <ubotu> New bug: #210749 in xorg (main) "Openoffice spreadsheet crashes x" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210749
[22:21] <tormod> amd64 seems to be overrepresented.
[22:22] <bryce> interesting
[22:22] <bryce> I've noticed a surprising number of amd64 bugs in general
[22:27] <tormod> This gives a good overview: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/?field.searchtext=crashed+with&orderby=title
[22:33] <bryce> are you able to reproduce the problem?  I'd be interested to hear if setting Option "AIGLX" "off"  has any effect
[22:33] <bryce> it's weird, when I search on "[fglrx]" in xscreensaver, only 3 bugs come up
[22:34] <tormod> bryce: search and sort in LP has been broken for ages
[22:34] <bryce> bleah
[22:34] <tormod> you have to make the URL yourself, like I did above.
[22:35] <bryce> ahh
[22:35] <bryce> 12 bugs - https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xscreensaver/?field.searchtext=fglrx&orderby=title
[22:36] <ubotu> New bug: #211043 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "could not find module b43" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211043
[22:38] <bryce> hrmph, these backtraces are less than useful.  All I can tell is it has something to do with GL in fglrx
[22:39] <bryce> and you're right; amd64 is overrepresented
[22:40] <tormod> yes there are also some [r300 amd64] crashes
[22:40] <bryce> hm, bug 179042 maybe?
[22:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 179042 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[fglrx] fglrx, compiz and opengl conflict" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179042
[22:40] <tormod> anyone here having that combination?
[22:42] <bryce> here's another, that got put into l-r-m already - 181121
[22:42] <bryce> probably all those xscreensaver bugs could be duped onto that one
[22:43] <tormod> bug #181121
[22:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181121 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "[fglrx] glplanet crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181121
[22:44] <tormod> what do you mean it got put into l-r-m?
[22:45] <tormod> oh I got it
[22:46] <tormod> do you have a bughelper script to do mass-reassigning?
[22:46] <bryce> sorry, that was a GL game not a screensaver, but it looks like the same issue
[22:46] <bryce> no, but bdmurray does
[22:46] <tormod> glplanet is also a screensaver
[22:46] <tjaalton> tormod: no I mean that according to the changelog the driver manager doesn't recommend installing fglrx anymore, if the user is running r300 or whatever the fglrx supports but also has good support in -ati&mesa
[22:47] <bryce> ahhh
[22:47] <bryce> ok even better.  I assumed it was some sort of game
[22:48] <tormod> tjaalton: re what?
[22:49] <tjaalton> tormod: re: "what do you mean it got put into l-r-m?" (or was that not for me :)
[22:49] <tormod> bryce 181121 is a poor dup, since it should already have been closed for no response.
[22:49] <tormod> tjaalton: not for you :)
[22:49] <tjaalton> tormod: awww :)
[22:50] <bryce> tormod: ahh, but it's reported by bdmurray who is the Canonical Bugmeister
[22:51] <tormod> bryce: right! So if he doesn't follow up, who will? :)
[22:51] <bryce> precisely
[22:52] <bryce> also I subbed ted gould who maintains xscreensaver; he should also be eyeballing this one
[22:52] <tormod> would you like to have 181121 assigned to you? otherwise I close it.
[22:53] <bryce> I'd already asked brian about this bug this morning, but said he could look at it when he has time (I think he has bug hug day events going on presently)
[22:53] <tormod> ok here you are.
[23:30] <bryce> tormod, I gather fglrx just gained AIGLX support in the latest version.  Maybe it's buggy?
[23:30] <bryce> I've encouraged a bunch of the -fglrx bug reporters to test turning it off.
[23:31] <tormod> would make a lot of sense. when did the latest fglrx get in?
[23:32] <tormod> off-topic: is the data I submit thru hwtest available on LP?
[23:33] <bryce> afaik the data is not available :-/
[23:33] <bryce> last fglrx update was January I think
[23:34] <tjaalton> no, early March
[23:34] <tjaalton> Tue 11th
[23:34] <bryce> hmm, my l-r-m checkout must be old
[23:35] <bryce> oh I see what I did.  duh
[23:35] <tjaalton> I'm about to upload a new one
[23:36] <tormod> early March, then apport came back and crash bugs started to flood? could make sense.
[23:36] <tormod> what about all the nvidia bugs?
[23:40] <ubotu> New bug: #211066 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 (restricted) "Cannot upgrade linux-restricted-modules-generic" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211066
[23:40] <tjaalton> here we go, the first bug about no lrm available for -14
[23:43] <Ng> tjaalton: brightness works for me in -14 \o/
[23:43] <Ng> although gdm is being very very strange
[23:44] <Ng> I had to comment out GtkTheme=Human in gdm.conf to get the greeter to not consume a whole core in a gtkrc loading loop
[23:46] <ubotu> New bug: #211074 in linux (main) "[hardy] no nvidia module FATAL with linux-image-2.6.24-14-generic (dup-of: 211066)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211074
[23:46] <ubotu> New bug: #211076 in linux-meta (main) "Hardy, linux-restricted-modules broken (dup-of: 211066)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211076
[23:47] <bryce> I do have to say that the fglrx bug reporters are surprisingly responsive compared with the -intel reporters
[23:47] <bryce> but maybe that's just because the reports are all much more recent
[23:51] <ubotu> New bug: #210905 in mumble (main) "not push-to-talk - xevie problem" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/210905
[23:55] <ubotu> New bug: #211089 in ubuntu "kernel update left Ubuntu without restricted drivers (dup-of: 211066)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211089
[23:56] <tjaalton> Ng: yeah brightness works, tried it with -13