[18:59] <theadmin> zenatyy: Give Xubuntu or Kubuntu a try.
[18:59] <Polyp> does anyone know if it's possible to map non-physical keys through combination keypresses?
[18:59] <xcyclist> Okay, here's a hot item.  I just ran unix2dos on an apache.conf file, but when I get it over downloaded from outlook, it still is a completely wrapped file, all the line endings having disappeared.
[18:59] <zenatyy> Polyp: thanks
[18:59] <TJ-> zenatyy: Try the KDE desktop, or some other
[19:00] <theadmin> zenatyy: They are still Ubuntu-based and you can run all of the Ubuntu software on them, but they feature desktops that many consider to be "better"
[19:00] <zenatyy> I'm coming from arch/bspwm and liked unity but cant get used to the left sided items
[19:00] <theadmin> zenatyy: It takes a couple days at most, really, I am used to both by now and have no problem switching
[19:01] <rexbutler> Question: If I start a program in terminal, and a launch icon is automatically created, where is it stored?  Where is the .desktop file?
[19:01] <rexbutler> If I Lock it to launcher, for example.
[19:01] <TJ-> rexbutler: ~/.local/share/applications/
[19:01] <zenatyy> theadmin: I'll give it a try and see what happens, thanks
[19:05] <ezy> %m
[19:06] <Polyp> does anyone know if it's possible to map non-physical keys through combination keypresses?
[19:06] <dmarr> hi all - i was having some trouble yesterday trying to copy some files from a hfs+ volume over to a freshly formatted ext partition (gpt)
[19:06] <dmarr> im running ubuntu trusty as a guest and tried several methods. shared folder, usb filter, etc and the hfs volume was able to cd into directories, but ls would just hang
[19:06] <zenatyy> Does the drive itself have issues
[19:06] <dmarr> does anyone know if this is something to do with hfs+ journaling not being supported on linux?
[19:07] <dmarr> zenatyy: i don't believe so
[19:07] <willian> Hello guys, just a question i work with php dev, and i have a notebook, i installed xubuntu on virtualbox with VLM(crypt), when i type the password in virtualbox the operation system behind virtualbox,  save the password on physic memory?
[19:07] <ezy> any 3d design recommended software? I favored Sketchup in the past but cant seem to find it now.
[19:08] <TJ-> ezy: Tribble publish SketchUp now; works well on WINE
[19:08] <Thrae|pc> What's a way I can check which processes are under the 'wait' state and info on why?
[19:09] <TJ-> ezy: typo Tribble == Trimble
[19:10] <xcyclist> What group is appropriate to ask about such file conversions?
[19:10] <xcyclist> file conversion to dos that is?
[19:16] <Ilyas> Salut
[19:16] <Ilyas> Je me demandais quelque chose. J'ai une partition windows qui est vide. Est-ce que c'est possible de le rendre bootable pour installer ubuntu dessus ?
[19:16] <dingus1> xcyclist, try unix2dos.
[19:16] <Pici> !fr | Ilyas
[19:16] <Ilyas> oh sorry
[19:16] <dingus1> I works for most files
[19:18] <Darknet> Ilyas, Tu peut ajouter se que tu veut dans ta partition, mais le ubuntu live cd installer peut t'aider a géré tout sa :) Tu l'a essayer?
[19:19] <Ilyas> Darknet, non mais le problème c'est que la derniere fois que j'avais installé ubuntu avec une clé usb y'avait eu pleins de problème. Une clé usb c'est pas trop adapté
[19:20] <Darknet> as tu utiliser unetbootin ? j'utilise tjrs unetbootin pour sa.
[19:20] <Pici> Please use #ubuntu-fr for french, #ubuntu is english only. Thank you ;)
[19:20] <ezy> Thanks TJ
[19:20] <Ilyas> no I didn't use it. I used lily. (sorry I switched to english)
[19:21] <Darknet> #ubuntu is not english only
[19:21] <Darknet> Ilyas, np. join me on #ubuntu-qc if you want to
[19:21] <Darknet> i am not on -fr
[19:24] <DF3SP> #ham
[19:24] <ablest1980> anyone getting updates?
[19:33] <Pici> ablest1980: yes?
[19:34] <SNF_> hi
[19:34] <SNF_> Someone can help me to learn Ubuntu.
[19:34] <ablest1980>  you to?
[19:35] <SNF_> Yes me too..
[19:36] <ablest1980> http://fullcirclemagazine.org/
[19:36] <SNF_> what's that?
[19:37] <bottazzini> SNF_: what u already installed the os?
[19:37] <ablest1980> http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[19:37] <SNF_> I installed Ubuntu
[19:37] <SNF_> Ubuntu 14.0.4
[19:38] <ablest1980> ubuntu manual
[19:38] <ablest1980> http://fullcirclemagazine.org/issue-0/
[19:38] <SNF_> but I don't know how to handle  it.
[19:38] <ablest1980> fullcircle offical magazine
[19:40] <ablest1980> also snf click the circle thing in upper right before the time and select ubuntu help
[19:40] <SNF_> ablest1980 what you think about linux mint or centos
[19:40] <ablest1980> upper right corner
[19:40] <marc_____> Hi everybody, I just purchased a couple of raspberry pi 2 and I saw that there is already an image of ubuntu core snappy! :)
[19:40] <ablest1980> i dot know them
[19:41] <marc_____> does anyone know if from that image it would be possible to retain the kernel and have a normal ubuntu server on the raspberry pi?
[19:41] <ablest1980> dont
[19:42] <bottazzini> SNF_: what exactly you don't know to do on ubuntu ?
[19:42] <SNF_> from 0 to advance
[19:42] <SNF_> i do not know
[19:42] <bottazzini> SNF_: so use ubuntu software center to check softwares
[19:42] <bottazzini> press super key which is windows key to open the menu
[19:42] <bottazzini> etc...
[19:43] <SNF_> Tell me about partition how to create partition in ubuntu.
[19:44] <bekks> SNF_: So what are you actually trying to do currently?
[19:45] <SNF_> Try to using it
[19:46] <SNF_> bekks
[19:46] <bekks> SNF_: So did you already install Ubuntu?
[19:46] <SNF_> I just Installed it but do not know about partition scheme.
[19:47] <HoJu> If anyone could help me out, that would be great...I am trying to get Xchat to work with OTR. I have made/built/configured the irssi-otr, the libotr.so and a few other files were added to /usr/lib/irssi/modules but no matter what i try i can not get the OTR plugin to load in xchat. not sure what i am missing here
[19:47] <bekks> SNF_: Why is that vital for using Ubuntu? :)
[19:47] <SNF_> One main reason avoiding from piration
[19:47] <SNF_> bekks
[19:48] <SNF_> it is cost free
[19:48] <SNF_> and secure
[19:49] <bekks> SNF_: I am sorry. What does "piration" mean, and how is "cost free" and "secure" related to the partition scheme?
[19:49] <SNF_> I am talking about ubunto
[19:49] <SNF_> ubuntu
[19:49] <OerHeks> HoJu, not sure if the irssi plugin is going to work on xchat.
[19:50] <HoJu> according to the documentation from github it should
[19:50] <SNF_> Piration  = Illegal use of software which are not free of cost.
[19:50] <krux> there is a xchat-otr package for ubuntu but it seems to be old for lucid <<
[19:50] <ablest1980> snf is saying it free and secure
[19:50] <HoJu> i have also tried the xchat-otr and that does not seem to work either
[19:51] <OerHeks> krux,  found that too, precise is the last supported version
[19:51] <SNF_> ablest how much you have experienced with Ubuntu
[19:52] <ablest1980> snf i understand what you re saying
[19:52] <ablest1980> i am new too
[19:53] <ablest1980> do you know how to access ubuntu manual?
[19:53] <SNF_> ubuntu has documentation file on their official website..
[19:54] <krux> OerHeks: https://github.com/adhux/hexchat-otr
[19:54] <ablest1980> ok
[19:54] <krux> hexchat is a fork of xchat..
[19:54] <SNF_> but still I am looking for someone who has great knowledge of ubuntu.
[19:55] <HoJu> exactly, has anyone been able to get OTR to work with xchat or hexchat?
[19:55] <ablest1980> and there is fullcirclemagazine
[19:55] <krux> or yeah HoJu my bad :)
[19:55] <HoJu> no worries krux
[19:55] <ablest1980> youtube has video aswell
[19:56] <SNF_> https://help.ubuntu.com/ ablest it is documentation url for ubuntu
[19:56] <SNF_> youtube great source for learning
[19:57] <ablest1980> yes
[19:59] <MonkeyDust> !manual
[20:00] <bottazzini> SNF_: use gparted for partitio but why do you want this ?
[20:01] <SNF_> bottazzini I have no idea about swap root home and how I can check those partition..
[20:02] <mauro> ciao
[20:02] <bekks> SNF_: Why do you want to check them?
[20:02] <krux> HoJu: gonna attempt that link see if it works on my side
[20:03] <bottazzini> SNF_: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/swap
[20:03] <SNF_> bekks so that I can utilize my disk space.
[20:04] <HoJu> cool man. let  me know krux
[20:04] <bottazzini> SNF_: run this command on terminal: sudo apt-get -y install gparted
[20:04] <bottazzini> then type sudo gparted
[20:04] <bottazzini> and there you go
[20:04] <SNF_> ok bottazzini
[20:05] <ganja_> dude are you there???
[20:06] <krux> HoJu: alright done now i just gotta load hexchat and see if it worked
[20:06] <krux> OTR: no private keys found
[20:06] <krux>  OTR: no fingerprints found
[20:07] <krux>  Hexchat OTR loaded successfully!
[20:07] <krux> sorry
[20:07] <krux> should have pastebin that :S
[20:07] <HoJu> so after you downloaded the xchat-otr what did you do next?
[20:08] <krux> HoJu: https://github.com/adhux/hexchat-otr follow that link
[20:08] <krux> downloaded the libotr-3.2.1.tar.gz
[20:08] <SNF_> bottazzini what mean by sudo.
[20:08] <HoJu> ok, i used and downloaded https://github.com/J0s3f/xchat-otr
[20:09] <HoJu> the xchat specific otr
[20:09] <HoJu> but should be close enough
[20:09] <bottazzini> sudo you will run this as root ( which is super user )
[20:09] <krux> compile it then git the hexchat-otr.git
[20:09] <bekks> For graphical applications, do not use sudo, but gksu or gksude instead.
[20:10] <krux> then cmake . && make && cp libhexchatotr.so ~/.config/hexchat/addons/
[20:10] <onemansubmarine> Hi, what is the newest version of poppler in the ubuntu repo?
[20:10] <bottazzini> SNF_: it will ask you for your password, if you have root access. Since, it is hour computer you should be good to go
[20:10] <HoJu> thanks krux
[20:10] <bottazzini> your*
[20:10] <krux> im sure it might even work with xchat
[20:10] <bekks> !info poppler | onemansubmarine
[20:10] <SNF_> ok
[20:11] <djbpython> hi i am using ubuntu 14.04 with a vpn, is it possible to tell my machine to route any traffic for a specific ip address over the vpn?
[20:11] <djbpython> I've tried setting up routes but think I am missing something
[20:11] <bekks> onemansubmarine: you can take a look at packages.ubuntu.com for more information.
[20:13] <O_OniGiri> Hi there, I have Xubuntu installed and often I have problems with PulseAudio, which results in having no sound. Sometimes I have to reboot multiple times before it works. When it doesn't work, the volume control says the following message: Establishing connection to PulsAudio. Please help me
[20:14] <SNF_> someone know about  good open source virtualization software?
[20:15] <krux> virtualbox ?
[20:15] <SNF_> other than virtualbox
[20:15] <HoJu> krux, can you tell me what you used here: cmake [options] <path-to-source>?
[20:16] <krux> HoJu: after you cd hexchat-otr
[20:16] <krux> cmake .
[20:16] <HoJu> i have the xchat-otr opened in CLI, and did that
[20:16] <ablest1980> snf http://lifehacker.com/5714966/five-best-virtual-machine-applications
[20:17] <SNF_> thanks ablest
[20:17] <HoJu> thanks krux
[20:17] <HoJu> i appreciate it
[20:17] <bluex> hey
[20:17] <krux> np
[20:17] <bluex> anyne wanna help me rel quick
[20:18] <ablest1980> np snf
[20:18] <bekks> bluex: You need to ask a question first :)
[20:19] <bluex> i wanna deploy a node thing to a server
[20:19] <bluex> but i need to install qemu
[20:19] <sebastian_> helo
[20:19] <bluex> https://github.com/kevin-roark/socket.io-computer
[20:20] <bluex> my specs should be good enough http://i.imgur.com/quBjaQ1.png
[20:20] <jhutchins> bluex: So install qemu.
[20:20] <jhutchins> !qemu
[20:21] <bluex> anyone know of good win.img
[20:21] <bluex> or iso of windows thats less then 300mb
[20:21] <bluex> or somthing
[20:22] <bekks> bluex: You can get official Windows ISO on www.microsoft.com
[20:22] <bluex> do they have a dev version that is smaller?
[20:22] <bekks> bluex: No.
[20:23] <jhutchins> bluex: ##windows - we don't know about microsoft products except by accident.
[20:23] <bluex> well its ironic actully
[20:23] <bluex> because i wanna put windows xp on javascript in the browser
[20:23] <bluex> but microsoft no longer supports winxp
[20:23] <bluex> http://socket.computer/
[20:23] <bluex> was doing it
[20:23] <bekks> bluex: Windows XP is EOL and unsupported. It is dead.
[20:23] <bluex> but there is broken
[20:23] <bekks> bluex: And it has nothing to do with Ubuntu :)
[20:24] <jhutchins> bluex: Use ubuntu instead.
[20:24] <bluex> but my server is
[20:24] <bluex> sh: 0: -c requires an argument                                                                                bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (en_US.UTF8)                                                                                root@zerocool4:/# uname -a
[20:24] <bluex>                                                                                Linux zerocool4 2.6.32-042stab092.2 #1 SMP Tue Jul 8 10:35:55 MSK 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux                                                           root@zerocool4:/#
[20:24] <bluex> well
[20:25] <bluex> how do i found out if i am on ubuntu
[20:25] <croberts> bluex: which command works apt-get or yum
[20:25] <bekks> bluex: lsb_release -a
[20:26] <bluex> root@zerocool4:/# uname -v                                                                                #1 SMP Tue Jul 8 10:35:55 MSK 2014                                                                                root@zerocool4:/# uname -o
[20:26] <bluex>                                                                                GNU/Linux                                                                                root@zerocool4:/# lsb_release -a
[20:26] <bluex>                                                                                No LSB modules are available.                                                                                Distributor ID:        Ubuntu
[20:26] <bluex>                                                                       Description:   Ubuntu 14.04 LTS                                                                                Release:       14.04
[20:26] <bluex>                                         Codename:      trusty                                                                                root@zerocool4:/#
[20:26] <bluex> Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[20:26] <croberts> bekks: man that is awesome :) It works on RPM distros too
[20:27] <OerHeks> bluex, please use paste.ubuntu.com for multiple lines, thanks.
[20:27] <bluex> k sorry
[20:31] <Zippie> Hi All
[20:31] <aarobc> anyone know how to map R_Alt to the left super key (windows key) while still maintaining the function of the left super key?
[20:32] <Zippie> I need some help with an code blocks error process returned 126 (0x7e)..can anyone help?
[20:33] <OerHeks> Zippie, maybe #codeblocks is a better channel to ask?
[20:33] <Zippie> thanx will try that channel
[20:34] <switchflip> I have a question about eglibc 2.15 and eglibc 2.19... are there any major differences as to why I should upgrade from 2.15 to 2.19?
[20:36] <OerHeks> switchflip, 2 CVE's. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/2.19-0ubuntu6.4
[20:36] <switchflip> OerHeks: thanks
[20:38] <bluex> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
[20:38] <bluex> fuck
[20:38] <bluex> what do
[20:39] <Pici> bluex: That language is not needed nor appropriate here. Please tone it down.
[20:39] <bluex> ok sorry pi ci
[20:39] <bluex> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory   why?
[20:39] <bluex> what do
[20:40] <Pici> bluex: What are you doing that is giving you that response?
[20:40] <bluex> warning: Setting locale failed.
[20:41] <markat> salve a tutti
[20:41] <markat> !list
[20:41] <bluex> warning: Setting locale failed.
[20:41] <bluex> how do i set env HOME
[20:41] <Pici> bluex: That not a command. What are typing?
[20:42] <Davee420> you know, if only there were a search engine to ask those sorts of questions.. they could call it google and make a killing.
[20:42] <Groveld> try setting your locale with : sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[20:42] <reisio> yay murder
[20:43] <bluex> i just wannted to find some one who thought they wanted to help me wim this thing out
[20:43] <bluex> like ya know berdom and stuff
[20:43] <bluex> but thank u grovlend
[20:43] <reisio> wha?
[20:44] <Pici> bluex: I'm trying to troubleshoot with you but you aren't answering my questions.
[20:44]  * Davee420 facepalm
[20:44] <bluex> erl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[20:44] <bluex> this is what happend after i typed the command\
[20:44] <Pici> bluex: what command?
[20:44] <bluex> 1 sec
[20:44] <Groveld> bluex: you probably set your  own language without defining it
[20:47] <bluex> how do i define
[20:47] <bluex> locale
[20:48] <Groveld> by setting your locale with: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[20:48] <Groveld> then select your locale, probably with *.UTF-8
[20:49] <Groveld> in my case it would be: nl_NL.UTF-8
[20:49] <switchflip> How do I update to eglibc 2.19, and not the most recently version?
[20:50] <Groveld> switchflip: dunno
[20:50] <Groveld> can't help you there
[20:50] <teward> switchflip: what do you mean the "most recently version"
[20:50] <teward> Groveld: if you have nothign constructive to say...
[20:50] <switchflip> well, I'd like to update eglibc to 2.19,
[20:50] <switchflip> not 2.20
[20:50] <teward> switchflip: what release of ubuntu
[20:51] <switchflip> 14.04
[20:51] <switchflip> trust
[20:51] <Groveld> switchflip: relax dude
[20:51] <switchflip> *trusty
[20:51] <SupaYoshi> hey anyoen here who can help me with Tunlr DNS forwarding /
[20:51] <switchflip> Groveld: lol, what do you mean?
[20:51] <SupaYoshi> Im trying to accomplish something... but I don't know where its going wrong.
[20:51] <teward> switchflip: well... 2.19-0ubuntu6.5 is what's in Ubuntu Trusty.  Do you have extra PPAs or something?
[20:53] <switchflip> Teward: I have servers running trusty 12.04 and 14.04... so i'd like to update the 12.04 to eglibc 2.19 - if that's alright...
[20:54] <bluex> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10021930/
[20:54] <teward> switchflip: why do you need to update to 2.19 on the older server?
[20:54] <switchflip> teward: consistency
[20:54] <switchflip> That's the reason I was given, by my boss.
[20:55] <Davee420> lol
[20:55] <teward> switchflip: if you want consistency use the same OS and platform.  I advise against updating your libc libraries on 12.04 unless you update the compilers with it as well
[20:55] <Davee420> does he have pointy hair?
[20:55] <switchflip> Alright, I'm good with that answer.
[20:55] <Der> Mannaggialamadonna
[20:55] <teward> switchflip: 'consistency' and 'compatibility' are sometimes mutually exclusive - if he doesn't want to break things then the 12.04 server should keep the c libraries at the version that comes with the system
[20:55] <teward> switchflip: however, if he wants true consistency he should use the same OS version across the board
[20:55] <switchflip> That's a good point.
[20:55] <switchflip> Thank you Teward.
[20:56] <teward> switchflip: there's ultimately no real reason I can think of that's *sane* to update eglibc in 12.04 without a reason such as needing to use a newer compiler
[20:56] <teward> switchflip: but just for the sake of 'consistency' is an invalid reason to attempt to do something that may break other things.
[20:56] <switchflip> Great thanks
[21:01] <bud> hey there, i'm looking for advice for vnc. where should i go?
[21:01] <reisio> bud: depends
[21:02] <bud> reisio: i need to use my tablet as a monitor. vnc seemed to be the easiest way.
[21:02] <reisio> bud: sounds like a plan
[21:03] <bud> reisio: however, i have it set up. but when i connect to the pc it uses my username but displays a fresh version of xfce.
[21:04] <reisio> sounds like it needs more configgin'
[21:04] <bud> meaning, my mouse and keyboard input (connected to the tv) don't work
[21:04] <reisio> fwiw the X module for tigervnc works well for that
[21:04] <bud> not tv, doh
[21:04] <bud> i mean pc
[21:04] <bluex> just typing su seems to do it now
[21:04] <bluex> http://pastebin.com/DHGEwxSb
[21:04] <bud> thanks reisio lemme look at those apps!
[21:08] <reisio> bud: something else you could do is X forwarding
[21:08] <reisio> which can be "simpler" than VNC
[21:08] <reisio> depending
[21:09] <bud> reisio, i have never heard of that
[21:09] <bud> i'll look there too
[21:10] <Davee420> what is that other x protocol?  xdmp?  would that work for what he is trying to do?
[21:12] <reisio> Davee420: (x)rdp?
[21:12] <reisio> it'd work, but probably be more work in the short and long run, and end up less secure
[21:12] <Davee420> hang on, let me google what i am thinking of
[21:13] <Davee420> i used to use it with x-net when i was on windows still and wanted to connect with my x-server
[21:13] <Davee420> damn, what is that protocol... extension of x
[21:14] <Davee420> xdmcp
[21:14] <reisio> good name :p
[21:14] <bud> i want to use the keyboard and mouse to control the pc like normal, but use my android tablet for a display
[21:15] <MonkeyDust> bud  'synergy' lets you use keyboard and mouse on more than one device at a time
[21:15] <Davee420> so sort of the reverse of a headless server then
[21:15] <bud> i'm going to be without a monitor in a bit. so...
[21:16] <reisio> yeah probably go with VNC, then
[21:16] <reisio> anything less common than that is going to make your life hell on Android
[21:16] <Davee420> yeah, using xdmcp is more for remote logins, probably not appropriate for what you are attempting to do with your tablet.  vnc probably your best bet
[21:16] <reisio> very mediocre OS :p
[21:17] <bud> thats what i figured
[21:17] <MonkeyDust> !info synergy | bud is this what you mean
[21:19] <bud> all i really need to do is get a vnc setup that will show the keyboard and mouse input on the screen in front of me. allowing the vnc viewer client and pc to be looking at the same screen.
[21:19] <bud> i think i found it in vnc, using 'account verification' rather than being forced to use a seperate password... maybe, installing it now.
[21:19] <Luyin> hi guys, I've got this in my fstab: /home/alex/.wine/AC2.iso /mnt/Assassins_Creed2 udf defaults,users,loop,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0; with sudo mount -a, I get this error: https://bpaste.net/show/067ee4c02be4 (german, translates roughly as this: https://bpaste.net/show/ae447c954553 ); dmesg | tail offers this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10022331/ now what did I do wrong? I've got another iso mounted the same way, no errors there.
[21:22] <bud> MonkeyDust, no keyboard and mouse input on my android device, and no android client for synergy.
[21:24] <cryptodan> Luyin: why not just buy AC2 on Steam and load Steam in Wine and play it that way
[21:25] <Luyin> cryptodan: because I've got the dvd, steam isn't working and I won't buy the game twice
[21:25] <cryptodan> Luyin: you can add your copy to Steam I think
[21:25] <Luyin> cryptodan: still steam's not working
[21:25] <Luyin> and I'd like it this way
[21:26] <Luyin> any suggestions?
[21:26] <cryptodan> why isnt steam working?
[21:26] <kaste> Hello, I have issues with my keyboard.  I actually have to type this from the console because I couldn't get a sensible sentence out in X
[21:26] <kaste> Where do I start debugging this?
[21:26] <kaste> dmesg looks ok, X11 log also
[21:26] <Luyin> cryptodan: I'd love to debug the steam problem, but this one's got higher priority now
[21:27] <Ulfalizer> kaste: how does it act screwy?
[21:27] <cryptodan> well Steam would prbably be easiest
[21:27] <kaste> the only thing that seems related is a message about thinkpad_acpi firmware forcing the hotkey masked to some value
[21:27] <kaste> Ulfe liket  I aeu ly tyed is seee e in e tely er  engles ut the s hoe  turnseu
[21:28] <kaste> that was a proper english sentence on the X11 term
[21:28] <kaste> I could try xev I guess and compare the values it should show with the ones given but that won't get me far and will be a major pita
[21:29] <kaste> It only started yesterday, maybe some update was messed up
[21:30] <Luyin> cryptodan: since I only borrowed the dvd from a friend, I won't be able to use this copy with steam I guess, even if Steam worked
[21:32] <doodz> Hi
[21:32] <Groveld> hi
[21:32] <MonkeyDust> Luyin  i'm not familiar with udf, but can you mount the .iso manually, in a terminam window? so not from fstab
[21:33] <cryptodan> Luyin: time to go and buy the game then for yourself
[21:34] <Luyin> MonkeyDust: seems to work, if only read-only. but that should be normal, shouldn't it?
[21:34] <TJ-> kaste: This is with no changes to the hardware (no new/different keyboard, etc.,) ?
[21:35] <kaste> TJ-: This is a Laptop (W530) no change possible really
[21:35] <leeyaa> hello
[21:35] <leeyaa> after adding this apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys C407E17D5F76A32 how to confirm after that it is added ?
[21:35] <leeyaa> i need to confirm in a bash script
[21:35] <leeyaa> is there a way to list such keys
[21:36] <MonkeyDust> Luyin  and .wine is a hidden folder... are you sure fstab "understands" that?
[21:36] <Luyin> MonkeyDust: ok seems it worked with manually adding
[21:36] <guntbert> leeyaa: what about  apt-key list  ?
[21:36] <Luyin> MonkeyDust: I've got another iso mounted from the same location, works without problems
[21:37] <leeyaa> Luyin: yeah that will work
[21:37] <cryptodan> Luyin: why not just buy it on your own, as what you are doing is effectively called piracy
[21:37] <leeyaa> is it possible to list single key ?
[21:37] <MonkeyDust> Luyin  same fstab syntax for that .iso?
[21:37] <kaste> leeyaa: grep?
[21:37] <leeyaa> kaste: except listing all and then using grep
[21:37] <Luyin> MonkeyDust: yes, identical
[21:39] <kaste> leeyaa: not really I fear
[21:39] <Luyin> MonkeyDust: last lines of my fstab: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10022572/
[21:40] <leeyaa> kaste: so how to find if the above key is added
[21:40] <leeyaa> i dont see it with apt-key list, yet it is added
[21:42] <MonkeyDust> Luyin  such charming names!
[21:43] <Davee420> and i bet he doesnt have a legal license to any of them
[21:43] <Bashing-om> leeyaa: Try : apt-key finger .
[21:44] <Davee420> sudo reboot
[21:44] <Davee420> gah
[21:44] <Luyin> Davee420: in fact I have, I still prefer isos over dvds in my laptop
[21:44] <cryptodan> Luyin: if you did then why are you borrowing the media from a friend?
[21:44] <MonkeyDust> Luyin  can you play the game by mounting it manually?
[21:44] <erichf> My mouse scroll speed on chromium is through the rough, any thoughts on why?
[21:44] <cryptodan> and why arent your copies added on Steam then Luyin?
[21:44] <leeyaa> Bashing-om: hm, still cant figure out what to grep for
[21:44] <Luyin> MonkeyDust: it looks like it, yes
[21:45] <MonkeyDust> Luyin  that's a workaround, then, not a solution. but is that ok for you?
[21:45] <bud> Davee420, MonkeyDust, ty guys, vnc is working in one session now. all i have to do is set the resolution correctly for my phone, can you recommend a program that i can set custom resolutjons without much trouble? i got xrandr but somethinng with a gui would be cool
[21:45] <MonkeyDust> bud  tray arand (GUI)
[21:46] <MonkeyDust> bud  tray arandr (GUI)
[21:46] <MonkeyDust> try*
[21:46] <Luyin> MonkeyDust: apparently the game won't start for some other reason, but yes, for starters that's ok. gotta go to bed now anyway, so going to try fixing this later. thanks for your kind help, much appreciated!
[21:47] <MonkeyDust> Luyin  yw
[21:47] <doodz> How to change the login screen to it's default state in ubuntu 14.10?
[21:48] <alesan> hello I installed Ubuntu server as a test
[21:48] <alesan> it's 64bit
[21:48] <ikonia> doodz: how have you changed it ?
[21:48] <alesan> what should I install to be able to run 32bit executables?
[21:49] <ikonia> alesan: I'd avoid that if possible
[21:49] <k1l> !multiarch
[21:49] <doodz> ikonia, i've installed xfce(DE) and unistalled
[21:49] <ikonia> doodz: that shouldn't impact the login manager
[21:49] <doodz> ikonia, and unistalled it and now the login screen is altered.
[21:49] <alesan> ikonia, it is not possible...
[21:49] <ikonia> alesan: why ?
[21:50] <alesan> ikonia, I am asking for mechanism, not policy
[21:50] <doodz> ikonia, well it did
[21:50] <ikonia> alesan: and I'm asking you why it's not possible
[21:50] <doodz> ikonia, how can i resit it
[21:50] <ikonia> doodz: reinstall it
[21:50] <bud> ty
[21:50] <doodz> ikonia, how?
[21:50] <alesan> I have some 3rd party tools that are 32bit executables.
[21:50] <k1l> alesan: ubuntu uses multiarch
[21:50] <ikonia> doodz: make sure it's actually using the same login manager as before/after
[21:50] <ikonia> alesan: you've got to be quite on top of your system to do this
[21:50] <alesan> k1l, so should I add i386?
[21:51] <doodz> ikonia, how can i do that?
[21:51] <alesan> dpkg --add-architecture i386    ?? k1l
[21:52] <ikonia> alesan: you need to read up on multiarch
[21:52] <k1l_> alesan: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiArch
[21:52] <ikonia> you need to be on top of it
[21:52] <ikonia> not typing commands blindly
[21:52] <alesan> no OK
[21:52] <ikonia> no OK ?
[21:53] <alesan> it was enough to install # apt-get install lib32z1 lib32ncurses5 lib32bz2-1.0
[21:53] <alesan> now it runs 32bit programs
[21:53] <ikonia> alesan: it's not now
[21:53] <ikonia> you need to be very careful
[21:54] <doodz> How can i change the login screen to it's default state in ubuntu 14.10?
[21:54] <ikonia> doodz: you don't change it to default
[21:54] <ikonia> doodz: a.) make sure it's using the same login manager as it was before b.) if it is re-install the login manager package
[21:55] <ikonia> (if you can't manually undo the config file changes)
[21:55] <doodz> ikonia, well i don't know how can i check that objectives.
[21:55] <cluelessperson> hey guys, I'm trying to use php HttpRequest, but I jsut get the error,  [Mon Feb 02 15:49:23.170693 2015] [:error] [pid 29909] [client <IP_ADDRESS>:52486] PHP Fatal error:  Class 'HttpRequest' not found in /var/www/html/POD/index.php on line 9
[21:55] <ikonia> doodz: a little research will help you
[21:56] <doodz> ikonia, can you help me?
[21:56] <sebastia1> :q
[21:56] <ikonia> doodz: do a little basic research on the different login managers and work out which one you are using
[21:58] <cluelessperson> Does Ubuntu seriously not include a basic php http request library?
[21:58] <Bashing-om> leeyaa: THus works for me : apt-key finger | grep "6094 1612 6D3A 3E5C 1192" .
[21:58] <ikonia> cluelessperson: "include" ?
[21:59] <ikonia> cluelessperson: you have to install php packges
[21:59] <ikonia> cluelessperson: php is not installed by default
[21:59] <cluelessperson> ikonia: I'd expect it to be core, more so than mysql/soap/oracle connectors and the like,
[21:59] <brucelee> how do i know if openssl 1.0.1-4ubuntu5.11 is newer than 1.0.1h
[21:59] <ikonia> cluelessperson: it's not core
[21:59] <ikonia> cluelessperson: nore should it be
[21:59] <ikonia> cluelessperson: not everyone wants a web server running php
[22:00] <ikonia> cluelessperson: you install the packages you want
[22:00] <k1l_> brucelee: see the changelog
[22:00] <bud> cluelessperson, i've never used that package and i've been using ubuntu for years
[22:00] <cluelessperson> ikonia: I meant php-core
[22:00] <ikonia> cluelessperson: not everyone wants it
[22:00] <cluelessperson> bud: so how do you request a page via php?
[22:00] <ikonia> k1l_: I don't actually think it's a package, I think it's a class from an application
[22:01] <pavlos> cluelessperson, install pecl
[22:01] <ikonia> it's a class supplied by pecl
[22:01] <ikonia> it's not a core component
[22:02] <MarcoPau> hi, for some reason I am moving stuff from a hard drive to another but the free space is not growing. what am I supposed to do to fix this?
[22:02] <ikonia> http://php.net/manual/en/class.httprequest.php
[22:02] <cluelessperson> pavlos: I'm trying to but I can't get it to work
[22:02] <cluelessperson> sudo apt-get install pecl
[22:02] <ikonia> cluelessperson: look at the package php-http-request
[22:02] <ikonia> it's in the universe repo
[22:02] <ikonia> !info php-http-request
[22:02] <pavlos> cluelessperson, pecl install -f pecl_http-1.7.6 (the version may be diff)
[22:02] <ikonia> you don't need pecl
[22:02] <ikonia> that is a bad idea
[22:03] <ikonia> as it is outside the package manager
[22:03] <jhutchins> ikonia: pecl is it's own package manager, but I agree, one less thing to have to maintain.
[22:03] <ikonia> jhutchins: no it's not
[22:03] <ikonia> jhutchins: there is no tracking of state,
[22:04] <ikonia> it can also cause conflict
[22:04] <cluelessperson> ikonia: sudo apt-get install php-http-request     installed
[22:04] <jhutchins> ikonia: THere's also no moo function.
[22:04] <ikonia> cluelessperson: great
[22:04] <brucelee> k1l_: it seems ubuntu 12.04's latest version of openssl is 1.0.1-4ubuntu5.21 or something
[22:04] <brucelee> doing openssl version gets me 1.0.1
[22:05] <brucelee> how do i know if thats newer than 1.0.1h?
[22:05] <jhutchins> brucelee: Are you trying to figure out if it's patched for ghost?  Ubuntu package version != upstream version of the same number.
[22:05] <brucelee> the newest version for 14.04 is 1.0.1f
[22:05] <brucelee> jhutchins: yeah
[22:05] <ikonia> ghost is libc
[22:05] <brucelee> not ghost
[22:05] <cluelessperson> ikonia: restarted apache2, and... still errors
[22:05] <brucelee> i mean heartbleed i guess
[22:05] <ikonia> not ssl
[22:05] <ikonia> cluelessperson: works here
[22:05] <ikonia> cluelessperson: maybe the application you are using is not aware
[22:06] <jhutchins> Same principle applies.
[22:06] <bud> is there a way to have several hard drives represent one shared directory?
[22:06] <cluelessperson> ikonia: php, I'm checking the ini for the extension, but it should do that automatically at install
[22:06] <k1l_> brucelee: forget about the version numbers. ubuntu doesnt increase the number but includes the patches that make it safe. see this changelog like i said before: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/o/openssl/openssl_1.0.1-4ubuntu5.21/changelog
[22:06] <jhutchins> brucelee: If you're on a currently supported release and your packages are up-to-date it's fixed.
[22:06] <ikonia> cluelessperson: it does includes, not in the root php.ini
[22:06] <ikonia> cluelessperson: it's modular
[22:07] <k1l_> brucelee: and for heartbleed you are quite late :)  but if three is a security patch ubuntu will patch it and ship the updates.
[22:07] <brucelee> k1l_: ahh
[22:07] <jhutchins> brucelee: The way you know is by tracking the security announcements mailing list, or possibly by reading changelogs.
[22:07] <brucelee> k1l_: quite late i admit :)
[22:07] <brucelee> going through changelogs now
[22:07] <brucelee> thanks jhutchins and k1l_
[22:07] <k1l_> brucelee: this is how you search for known vulnerabilities: http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/
[22:07] <brucelee> i have that mailing list subscribed now
[22:07] <arcsky> how do i add text WARNING.. etc for ppl who try to ssh?
[22:08] <jhutchins> Most distros applied the patch to an existing version and it didn't look like they were up-to-date.
[22:08] <ikonia> arcsky: motd or the issue file
[22:08] <arcsky> can i pic one of those ?
[22:08] <ikonia> arcsky: you can
[22:08] <cluelessperson> ikonia: unfortunately, no dice yet.
[22:08] <arcsky> ikonia: danke shun
[22:08] <jhutchins> arcsky: Which file(s) to display is configured in the sshd config.
[22:08] <cluelessperson> ikonia: $new_request = new HttpRequest($url, HttpRequest::METH_GET);
[22:09] <ikonia> cluelessperson: I'm not going through your php code
[22:09] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: Why not just use curl?
[22:09] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: Or wget?
[22:09] <ikonia>  cluelessperson: it's modular
[22:09] <ikonia> oops
[22:09] <ikonia> sorry
[22:09] <ikonia> hit paste
[22:10] <arcsky> jhutchins: PrintMotd no that one?
[22:10] <arcsky> or #Banner /etc/ssh-bannner
[22:11] <jhutchins> arcsky: Look in the config file, see what's enabled.
[22:11] <bud> i have a lower end machine. if i upgrade to 14.x from 12.x and use the same window manager will there be a significant speed decrease?
[22:11] <FrankFromHR> exit
[22:12] <jhutchins> arcsky: I'd check it for you but I don't have an ubuntu box available at the moment, and that's the kind of thing that can vary by distribution.
[22:12] <k1l_> bud: which one do you use?
[22:12] <EriC^^> bud: 14.04 runs faster in a vm than 12.04 ( in my experience )
[22:13] <cluelessperson> jhutchins: because neither of those appeared as immediately simple and easy as this should be.
[22:13] <jhutchins> bud: Benchmark, backup, upgrade, benchmark, decide.
[22:13] <bud> k1l_, EriC^^, going from 12.04 to 14.04
[22:13] <bud> using xfce
[22:13] <xangua> bud: he means what desktop do you use
[22:14] <k1l_> bud: programs get slightly more heavy over time. but xfce should be fine
[22:14] <xangua> bud: xfce is good for low resources, shouldn't make a big impact
[22:15] <jhutchins> k1l_: Then again, sometimes programs get cleaned up and the speed improves.  KDE 3.5's a good example.
[22:15] <leeyaa> is it possible to install zabbix-server without the mysql dependancy ?
[22:16] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: On this box I get both when I connect.  Issue is system info and motd is fortune piped through cowsay.
[22:16] <leeyaa> via apt. i know it can be done from source
[22:17] <kevinde> Is there a tool on ubuntu 14.04 to save monitor profiles? As I have a single monitor at work and triple monitor at home and I have to reconfigure the triple monitor everytime to set the windows correct. I take my hdd with me all the time
[22:17] <cluelessperson> jhutchins: sudo apt-get install php5-curl    installed, sudo service apache2 restart    , but still get this error
[22:17] <cluelessperson> [Mon Feb 02 16:15:30.883085 2015] [:error] [pid 30938] [client <IP_ADDRESS>:53503] PHP Fatal error:  Call to undefined function curl_init() in /var/www/html/POD/index.php on line 9
[22:17] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: You can cat those files, then log in and see which, if either is displayed, then cat/echo/paste your warning message into whichever file suites you.  I believe you can also configure a new file for that purpose.
[22:17] <kevinde> Would be alot easier if there was some sort of tool to save that
[22:17] <ikonia> cluelessperson: php-curl won't fix a function that needs http header requests
[22:17] <jhutchins> arcsky:  You can cat those files, then log in and see which, if either is displayed, then cat/echo/paste your warning message into whichever file suites you.  I believe you can also configure a new file for that purpose.
[22:18] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: Sorry, grabbed the wrong nic.
[22:18] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: When things like that happen to me I report it to whoever wrote the PHP code.
[22:18] <leeyaa> nvm i figured it
[22:19] <Exploith> lump
[22:20] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: #php maybe?
[22:20] <cluelessperson> jhutchins: Thanks for your help
[22:20] <ikonia> ##php
[22:21] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: Good luck!
[22:21] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: The people who write the PHP code I work with now are in Siberia and don't speak English.
[22:24] <bud> favorite app to create bootable thumb drives?
[22:24] <xangua> !usb | bud
[22:24] <jhutchins> bud: In what env?  (Windows?)
[22:24] <azizLIGHT> Help? I got logitech k270 keyboard and was testing it out and pressed a button without looking and my computer turned off immediately... Not sure if it was hibernate/sleep or what. Now when I turn it on, it's just sitting there and nothing is on the monitor. Ubuntu 14.04
[22:25] <croberts> !usb
[22:25] <azizLIGHT> I'm pressing ctrl alt del and nothing happens
[22:26] <azizLIGHT> I pressed the same power button on the keyboard, and nothing happens
[22:26] <bud> jhutchins, 12.04
[22:26] <azizLIGHT> Should I force shutdown by holding power button?
[22:26] <Sashco> hey guys...quick question. When upgrading from xubuntu 14.04 to 14.10 do I have to back up everything? Including my personal folders(documents, music, spreadsheets etc)?
[22:26] <croberts> azizLIGHT: can you do ctrl+alt+f2
[22:26] <croberts> sudo reboot?
[22:26] <croberts> after you login
[22:26] <azizLIGHT> croberts: there's nothing on the screen to login ro
[22:27] <rns> is there an easy GUI app for ubuntu for running postgres, similar to this one for mac? http://postgresapp.com/
[22:27] <zerowaitstate> Sashco: I would always recommend backing up personal files before a big upgrade for any OS
[22:27] <xangua> Sashco: no, but backups are always good idea
[22:27] <azizLIGHT> croberts: monitor is in no signal mode
[22:27] <croberts> rns check out navicat
[22:27] <azizLIGHT> croberts: just pressed ctrl alt f2 and nothing happened
[22:27] <croberts> azizLIGHT: oh man yeah sorry i just came in, did not know it was doing that
[22:28] <rns> croberts, I tried that but it was very complicated to get setup
[22:28] <azizLIGHT> So should I force shutdown by holding power button?
[22:28] <Sashco> kk...cause I am not in possession of any instruments where I can do a backup :-/ and I have been having major issues with my wireless connection with realtek drivers..so I am hoping that an upgrade to 14.10 will solve the issue
[22:28] <xfceone> why a website(efytimes) don't open with Ubuntu?
[22:28] <croberts> rns: i suck with the gui on postgres as well but that has helped
[22:28] <croberts> azizLIGHT: that will surely turn it off
[22:28] <zerowaitstate> rns: https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Community_Guide_to_PostgreSQL_GUI_Tools
[22:28] <xangua> Sashco: sounds like an xy problem
[22:29] <sameer-isa__> Is it possible to forward a port over a SOCKS proxy?
[22:29] <Sashco> yep..I found a solution to how to "partially" fix it...but I messed up now so the internet speed is back to it's old habits.
[22:29] <zerowaitstate> rns: i've used pgadmin and it works
[22:30] <pavlos> sameer-isa, yes google it
[22:30] <sameer-isa__> pavlos: I tried, no dice
[22:30] <Sashco> by installing a newer OS I hope I can redo it and fix it!
[22:30] <Sashco> anyway, thx
[22:30] <azizLIGHT> croberts: OK system boots fine after forced shutdown. What should I do to repair and damage I did by holding power button like that
[22:30] <pavlos> sameer-isa, I got 121,000 hits
[22:30] <sameer-isa__> pavlos: but how many of them actually answer my question?
[22:30] <xangua> Sashco: now sounds like an xyz problem
[22:31] <croberts> azizLIGHT: i would run a http://linux.die.net/man/8/fsck
[22:31] <croberts> just to check the disk
[22:31] <croberts> but you should be ok
[22:31] <croberts> i do it with mine quite often
[22:31] <croberts> when something kills the os and i cant switch to another tty
[22:32] <azizLIGHT> OK I see it says ubuntu 14.04 experienced an internal error and it's complaint about something to do with kerneloops related to my motherboard
[22:32] <azizLIGHT> How do I get this full bug report?
[22:37] <azizLIGHT> OK I found it
[22:37] <azizLIGHT> How can I safely test again the button which cause my pc to crash.
[22:40] <pavlos> sameer-isa, https://www.debian-administration.org/article/449/SSH_dynamic_port_forwarding_with_SOCKS
[22:41] <wicked> !help
[22:41] <sameer-isa> pavlos, my question was about forwarding a certain port.
[22:41] <sameer-isa> not a certain program.
[22:42] <pavlos> sameer-isa, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/PortForwarding
[22:43] <sameer-isa> let me see if that works...
[23:00] <irreverant> is ubuntu supported on the lenovo yoga 2s?
[23:00] <irreverant> i bought my family some and would like to install ubuntu
[23:01] <plasmasnake> if i'm running trusty, is it possible for me to install just a single package from the utopic repo?
[23:03] <dmarr> is there somewhere that explains limitations (if any) with mounting HFS+ in ubuntu?
[23:03] <plasmasnake> irreverant: from my experience, ubuntu runs pretty well on lenovos... but not sure about how well it would do with that touch screen
[23:03] <irreverant> yeah that's my question
[23:04] <k1l_> dmarr: read only afaik
[23:04] <plasmasnake> irreverant: to answer your question specifically though, it doesn't seem to be "officially" supported http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/desktop/models/?category=Laptop&vendors=Lenovo
[23:12] <nubuntew> hey
[23:14] <arcsky> hello does anyone know why i cant write to my samba share ? http://pastebin.com/SLzBmmz5
[23:15] <alz_> hi
[23:15] <dmarr> k1l_: is there a limitation that journaling can't be enabled?
[23:15] <ax562> yo
[23:16] <k1l_> dmarr: its not opensource. its just a reverse engineered driver. it doesnt have the full features
[23:18] <rexbutler> Question: How do I make it so the workspace switcher only changes one screen, not both?
[23:18] <irreverant> what's the best method to create a ubuntu live usb?
[23:18] <k1l_> dmarr: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/hfsplus for more info. i dont use hfsplus
[23:19] <dmarr> thanks k1l_
[23:20] <dmarr> thats odd, says i should be able to use hfs+ readonly. thats all i need, but when i mount the drive, i can't ls. i can cd though
[23:22] <sjuxax> Hi, I just upgrade some 12.04 servers with dist-upgrade and got kernel 3.8 out of it, which has module signing enabled. I need to install a custom module, but when I say make modules_install, I get "Can't read private key". Obviously I don't have Ubuntu's private module signing key. How can I install this driver?
[23:27] <jhutchins> sjuxax: You'll probably have to read the docs for module signing.  Then you'll be able to tell us!
[23:28] <quidnunc> Why am I suddenly getting "404 not found" when trying to run apt-get update (us.archive.ubuntu.com) ?
[23:29] <k1l_> quidnunc: what gives you "lsb_release -d"?
[23:29] <supay> hey, is it possible to ssh into a box without authentication?
[23:29] <supay> like ssh ip -s /bin/sh to get the shell?
[23:29] <supay> or is that only possible due to bad configs?
[23:29] <quidnunc> k1l_: 14.10
[23:30] <k1l_> quidnunc: that is still supported :) maybe change the mirror
[23:30] <quidnunc> k1l_: Tried that
[23:31] <quidnunc> twice
[23:31] <ThinkpadT510> What are some must haves to get after installing a fresh version of Ubuntu? Any recommendations?
[23:32] <k1l_> quidnunc: tried the mainservers? do you have network restrictions?
[23:33] <quidnunc> k1l_: No network restrictions that I know of. Again this is happeningly suddenly (past few days, not sure exact date it started). What is the main server?
[23:33] <quidnunc> archive.ubuntu.com ?
[23:33] <quidnunc> tried that
[23:33] <quidnunc> Tried delete /var/lib/apt/lists/* also
[23:36] <TJ-> quidnunc: You're not the only one; I was helping someone else. It seems that something is broken in apt when using "us.archive.ubuntu.com" even though the hosts resolve to round-robin IPs and can be accessed by a browser
[23:36] <pakedge> hello
[23:37] <pakedge> i need help
[23:37] <quidnunc> TJ-: Thanks.
[23:37] <k1l_> !ask | pakedge
[23:38] <cellar> !patience
[23:39] <pakedge> i have a question regarding apache
[23:39] <pakedge> how do i connect to an MSDFS on apache
[23:39] <pakedge> in the config file
[23:39] <pakedge> is there a certain syntax i have to follow?
[23:39] <quidnunc> I removed /pub/ part of the path, that seems to have fixed it. Maybe some kind of update
[23:39] <quidnunc> to paths
[23:40] <quidnunc> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/pub/ubuntu/ -> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[23:40] <pakedge> anybody??
[23:41] <TJ-> quidnunc: Great find, thanks
[23:41] <TJ-> quidnunc:  looks like someone broke something on the mirrors
[23:42] <pakedge> ip
[23:43] <ivanes> hola
[23:44] <ivanes> HOLAAA
[23:44] <ivanes> QUE ES ESTO?¡?
[23:44] <Dlabz> hi, all. I need to update tomcat7 on my ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS to a version that's not on aptitude(7.0.57). What's my best option?
[23:44] <ivanes> NFNFNF
[23:44] <ivanes> HI
[23:45] <ivanes> hola
[23:47] <jhutchins> Dlabz: Download the ubuntu source, download the upstream source, build a package using the newer code and the older supporting files, install.
[23:47] <profeten> where to find list of channels worth joining
[23:47] <jhutchins> !alis
[23:51] <Dlabz> jhutchins: thanks. That went a bit over my head. I got the tomcat7.0.57.tar.gz and unpacked it. Now what?
[23:55] <jhutchins> Dlabz: Get the tomcat source from ubuntu.  If you don't know how to do that, you're probably over your head.
[23:55] <jhutchins> Dlabz: I don't know of there's a ppa for tomcat, but some PPAs can be risky.
[23:57] <jhutchins> Dlabz: Probably better to ask if you really need software that doesn't support stable versions of tomcat - you could get a pretty messed up system between untested software and untested tomcat.
[23:58] <Dlabz> jhutchins: unfortunately, I really need it. I'm a dev, and tomcat7.0.55 is the update that fixes an issue I'm facing


 Hackers can compromise your Android phone with a single image file – BGR … https://bgr.com/2019/02/07/android-security-update-one-png-image-file-can-compromise-your-phone/
 https://www.techradar.com/news/samsung-galaxy-s10-leak-reverse-wireless-charging-galaxy-buds
 Dear sweet tinfoil hatty
 I just realized if you planted eeg pickups in those things you could literally correlate data from your temporal lobes spiking patterns to whatever it was you were doing on your phone. Just a theory.
 And then I discovered I'm not just bs'ing
 https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-human-os/biomedical/devices/wireless-earbuds-will-record-your-eeg-send-brainwave-data-to-your-phone
 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5655781/
 🤣 it's literally the future apocalyptic scenario of reading your thoughts. Except instead of antennas they just convince you to stick the probes in your ears
 Kinda also reminds me of Psycho-Pass....
 I should've asked if anyone was in DC
 If you go, the memorial is legit
 I went to the memorial in 1998
 I remember liking it
 https://www.local10.com/news/florida/florida-man-threatens-to-kill-man-with-kindness-uses-machete-named-kindness
[20:44] <maxolasersquad> Pensacola always has crazy stuff going on.
 @Abrerr, I was there a few months
 https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/ao4g2y/wells_fargo_is_down_declining_transactions_and_no
 Ouch
 Most banking services are down
 Would not want to be a wf it admin today
 Source?
 Inside people are posting on reddit
 pnc's up
 And Google News is reporting it
 It's only wells Fargo
 Link on Google news?
 Sure one second
 ah, so when you said most banking services, i thought you meant multiple banks
 WF looks like it's back uo.
 https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/07/wells-fargo-reports-outage-on-mobile-app-and-online-banking.html
 Yea main www is now reachable
 When I checked before it was down
 This plane is nice! 👌
 @RazPi, Airbus godmode?


[01:42] <RAOF> Hm.  Why isn't my espresso machine on!
[01:47] <micahg> RAOF: can we actually use lzma debs to save space on the CD?  Does that help for the debs separately than the livefs?
[01:55] <TheMuso> micahg: Using lzma will save space on the alternate disk/the DVD, but not the desktop CD, as the livefs is only zlib compressed.
[01:55] <micahg> ah, so it only helps for stuff that's only on the alternate and not the live CD since isn't the alternate usually smaller?
[02:04] <RAOF> micahg: Right.  Well, it also helps keep the download smaller, too.
[02:35] <TheMuso> There is that too.
[02:35] <TheMuso> t/c
[02:38] <micahg> does anyone want to merge my vala-0.14 uploads into the desktop branch?
[02:39] <micahg> after 2 more publisher runs, it should be built with itself on all archs
[02:43] <micahg> there's a merge proposal waiting
[05:38] <rickspencer3> guess it's quiet as everyone is heading to Berlin for Desktop Summit
[05:38] <rickspencer3> or there already and asleep :)
[05:41] <RAOF> I think the latter.
[05:41] <RAOF> How many people of this timezone are going?
[05:43] <rickspencer3> hiya RAOF
[05:43] <RAOF> Hey there rickspencer3
[05:43] <rickspencer3> RAOF, I dunnoe
[05:43] <rickspencer3> I'm not going this year :/
[05:44] <rickspencer3> I'll call into the adboard meeting, though
[05:44] <RAOF> :(
[05:44] <rickspencer3> RAOF, it's all good
[05:45] <rickspencer3> I've been running around so much this summer, I'm not sorry to not be taking another trip
[05:45] <RAOF> Plenty of conferences to go around? :)
[05:45] <rickspencer3> I've gone Dublin -> Kansas -> Delaware -> Isle of Man -> Amsterdadm -> Londong -> Toulouse
[05:46] <rickspencer3> I admit the weekend of Amsterdam was a bit self-inflicted ;)
[05:46] <rickspencer3> Londong is surprisingly a lot like London, just more typos
[05:47] <rickspencer3> TheMuso, hos is vinux coming along
[05:47] <rickspencer3> ?
[05:47]  * rickspencer3 saw it referenced on Reddit this morning
[05:48] <RAOF> Heh.
[05:48] <RAOF> Toulouse is very nice.
[05:48] <RAOF> What was happening there?
[05:50] <TheMuso> rickspencer3: haven't really been involved muc recently. I am going to start doing more with them pos feature freeze, as I want to help hem move to a better build process and using more packaging bits for a oneiric based release.
[05:50] <RAOF> GARH.  Whose fault it is that it takes *seconds* for alt-tab to pop up on this SandyBridge with plenty of ram and spare CPU?
[05:50] <rickspencer3> RAOF, uh, shouldn't you be the one person who can answer that?
[05:51] <RAOF> rickspencer3: It'll be someone in DX, mark my words :P
[05:53] <RAOF> And the tools which I'd normally use to debug this seem to have broken.  Huh.
[05:54] <rickspencer3> ah, Sandybridge
[05:54] <rickspencer3> how I love thee
[05:54] <RAOF> Oneiric is *much* better than it was.
[05:55] <rickspencer3> RAOF, go on
[05:55] <RAOF> This laptop used to have time-to-hardlock measured in minutes.
[05:55] <RAOF> Now it's been behaving well enough to get the SSD and 8GB of ram from my thinkpad.
[05:56] <RAOF> I think some of that has actually been the newer mesa; everyone can now benefit from that.
[05:56] <RAOF> It's one of HWE's laptops, so I was thinking that it was a hardware issue rather than
[05:57] <RAOF> Oneiric being screwy.  Now that everything's working, though, I think it may have just been SandyBridge being horribly broken on oneiric for a while.
[06:06] <RAOF> Wooo!  Mesa's transitive dependencies are once again multiarched.
[06:36] <AfC> Every time I try to upgrade, I get told:
[06:36] <AfC> Calculating upgrade... Done
[06:36] <AfC> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[06:36] <AfC>   gir1.2-mutter-3.0 gnome-shell gnome-tweak-tool
[06:36] <AfC> Can anyone suggest what I'm doing wrong?
[06:37] <RAOF> We're probably half way through a transition.
[06:37] <AfC> i.e. Obviously there's a dependency problem somewhere, but how can I figure out what it would be? `apt-get dist-upgrade -s` isn't really helping
[06:37] <AfC> RAOF: It's been like this for > 10 days
[06:37] <RAOF> Ok.  Well, I have gnome-tweak-tool installed and nothing's being particularly crazy.  Perhaps it's a local issue?
[06:38] <RAOF> You can always explicitly go "apt-get install gnome-shell" and it should give some indication as to why it can't be installed/upgraded.
[06:38] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[06:39] <chrisccoulson> it's going to be quiet in here this week ;)
[06:39] <AfC> RAOF: ah, right, thanks
[06:39]  * AfC runs `apt-get install gnome-shell -s`
[06:39] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: Hey, ho!
[06:39] <AfC> Here we are:
[06:39] <AfC> gnome-shell : Depends: gir1.2-json-1.0 but it is not going to be installed
[06:39] <chrisccoulson> hi RAOF, how are you?
[06:39] <AfC> Hm
[06:39] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: How's the import-my-evolution-filters branch of thunderbird going? :)
[06:40] <RAOF> AfC: And gir1.2-json-1.0 isn't going to be installed because...?
[06:40] <chrisccoulson> heh ;)
[06:40] <AfC> RAOF: not sure, but I now see that that is what is trying to pull in all of Unity & Compiz.
[06:41] <AfC> RAOF: [thanks, I'm further along now]
[06:41] <AfC> No to figure out why the hell is that trying to pull in the entire Unity+Compiz+UbuntuOne stack...
[06:42] <mvo> AfC: I missed part of this, but there is apt-get install/dist-upgrade etc with -o Debug::pkgDepCache::AutoInstall=true, that will tell what pkg pulls in what other
[06:42] <AfC> Hm. gir1.2-json-glib-1.0 is to be removed. Replaced by gir1.2-json-1.0? Could that be the problem, perhaps
[06:43] <AfC> mvo: thanks
[06:44] <AfC> mvo: [for about 10 days now I've been unable to upgrade because the dependency resolution wants to remove gnome-shell and wholesale install the entire unity stack]
[06:44] <AfC> mvo: trying...
[06:44] <AfC> mvo: NICE!
[06:44] <AfC> mvo: [I've been looking for something like that for ages!]
[06:46] <mvo> AfC: your welcome
[06:48] <AfC> Now to figure this out. gir1.2-json-1.0 does the conflicts/replaces/provides dance for gir1.2-json-glib-1.0
[06:48] <AfC> fine
[06:56] <AfC> So the bulk of the problem would seem to be not so much installing the new gir1.2-json-1.0 as removing the existing gir1.2-json-glib-1.0
[06:57] <AfC> I can get the horrible install graph up if I attempt to remove that specifically.
[07:03] <AfC> Should a package both Replaces: and Conflicts: its predecessor? I thought it was one or the other?
[07:04] <AfC> So, the problem is that I can's safely uninstall gir1.2-json-glib-1.0. New package gir1.2-json-1.0 purports to provide it, but removing the original results in a gooey mess.
[07:04] <AfC> Not sure where to go from here. Should I be trying to roll my own gir1.2-json-1.0?
[07:16] <seb128> hey
[07:24] <AfC> A package that Provides (and Replaces) something shouldn't Conflict with it, should it?
[07:26] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, how are you?
[07:26] <chrisccoulson> how is the desktop summit?
[07:26] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson
[07:26] <seb128> I'm great thanks
[07:26] <seb128> desktop summit is good so far
[07:26] <seb128> though it's only monday morning but it feels like friday
[07:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, how are you? had a good w.e?
[07:27] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, i'm good thanks. my weekend was quiet, apart from spending time trying to debug a firefox crash ;)
[07:27] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ready for f.f?
[07:28] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, i think so. i still need to land the contact integration work from m_conley in thunderbird
[07:28] <seb128> that would be nice
[07:28] <chrisccoulson> i should be able to do that before f.f
[07:28] <seb128> chrisccoulson, do you know if there is any unity light theme integration btw?
[07:28] <seb128> or is there only the default theme variant?
[07:29] <chrisccoulson> seb128, did you see the theme andreasn did? or are you asking something different?
[07:34] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yeah, I saw this one, I was asking if there is a light variant
[07:34] <chrisccoulson> seb128, oh, i'm not sure. perhaps it works on the light variant too, although i've not tried that ;)
[07:35] <chrisccoulson> seb128, oh, it works fine :)
[07:35] <AfC> Can someone do an `apt-cache show gir1.2-json-1.0` and tell me if their output says to both Provide, Replace *and* Conflict on `gir1.2-json-glib-1.0`? I'm hoping this is just a problem here locally, but maybe not
[07:35] <seb128> oh, so maybe I need to get that installed ;-)
[07:36] <seb128> when will it be default in the distro?
[07:36] <chrisccoulson> the toolbar and tabbar blends in with the titlebar
[07:36] <chrisccoulson> seb128, when the main issues are fixed. the compose window is currently a bit messed up atm
[07:37] <chrisccoulson> seb128, ah, the main issue is that the icons aren't very visible ;)
[07:37] <chrisccoulson> seb128, is andreasn at the desktop summit?
[07:37] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I think he is yes
[07:38] <chrisccoulson> you could probably ask him about that ;)
[07:38] <chrisccoulson> i'm not sure if he's aware of the radiance theme
[07:38] <chrisccoulson> i'd forgotten about that, as i've never used it ;)
[07:38] <seb128> ok
[07:41] <chrisccoulson> oh, wow, my session is really messed up now
[07:41] <chrisccoulson> gtk-window-decorator has crashed twice already this morning, and now i've restarted it again, my windows have the wrong decorations :/
[07:42] <chrisccoulson> this is messed up - http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/gtk-window-decorator-suckiness.png
[07:43] <seb128> chrisccoulson, when do you start fixing compiz !
[07:43] <RAOF> AfC: Yes, it does here.  That's a normal idiom for virtual packages, though.  Conflicts/Replaces says "I replace that other thing, so install me and remove it" and Provides says "Actually, I am that thing"
[07:44] <chrisccoulson> seb128, ;)
[07:44] <chrisccoulson> where do i start?
[07:44] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: Heh, cool.  Very old-school.  That's, what, ion?
[07:44] <seb128> hey RAOF
[07:44] <RAOF> seb128: Hey, ho!
[07:45] <chrisccoulson> hmm, compiz isn't recovering now. i think i'm going to have to restart my session already
[07:46] <chrisccoulson> not a good start to the week ;)
[07:46] <lifeless> RAOF: conflicts-replaces is deprecated
[07:46] <lifeless> RAOF: because it makes the package graph between releases unmigratable without --force-depends
[07:46] <lifeless> RAOF: the new(like 3 years now) shiny is conflicts/breaks
[07:47] <RAOF> lifeless: Not according to http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html
[07:47] <RAOF> Conflicts should be used... "in conjunction with Provides when only one package providing a given virtual facility may be unpacked at a time (see Virtual packages - Provides, Section 7.5), "
[07:48] <RAOF> But yeah.  When you're just moving files from one package to the other, Breaks is the new hawtness.
[07:48] <RAOF> lifeless: I seem to recall doing this dance before :)
[07:49] <lifeless> hmmm
[07:49] <lifeless> so, anything depending on the virtual package has to be removed, then the deps need to be removed, and then reinstalled, unless either:
[07:49] <lifeless>  --force-depends
[07:49] <lifeless> or
[07:49] <lifeless> dpkg has a special case around it
[07:50] <RAOF> I suspect the latter.
[07:50] <lifeless> RAOF: thats provides/conflicts anyhow
[07:50] <lifeless> RAOF: not replaces/conflicts
[07:50] <lifeless> RAOF: so, your appeal to authority is denied :)
[07:51] <RAOF> Ah, yeah.  That's true.
[07:51] <RAOF> Curse you, gadget!
[07:52] <lifeless> :)
[07:57] <lifeless> RAOF: 7.4 is fairly clear that conflicts-replaces is no longer a use case - replaces is listed under 'use breaks'
[08:00] <pitti> Good morning everyone!
[08:01] <RAOF> lifeless: 7.6.2 still suggests Provides/Conflicts/Replaces.
[08:01] <RAOF> lifeless: I suspect we've hit a bug in policy :)
[08:01] <RAOF> pitti: Gooooood morning!
[08:01] <pitti> now the holiday slacking is over, and the desktop summit slacking starts :)
[08:01] <RAOF> Heh.
[08:02] <RAOF> Oh, excellent.  You've popped up just as I was filing a pkgbinarymangler bug!
[08:03] <lifeless> RAOF: WIN
[08:05] <RAOF> pitti: I suspect pkgbinarymangler's changelog mangling is breaking multiarch; dpkg considers the i386 and amd64 libglapi-mesa changelog.Debian.gz as different and hence bails on the install.
[08:05] <pitti> RAOF: is that blocking you?
[08:05] <pitti> RAOF: if so, let me know the bug # once you filed it, then I can look at it right away
[08:05] <pitti> screw that massive holiday email backlog
[08:06] <RAOF> Not blocking, because we don't really do much with multiarch.
[08:06] <RAOF> Just annoying, because I'd like up-to-date mesa with wine :)
[08:06] <RAOF> And time for pilates!
[08:06] <lifeless> RAOF: it should say break or conflicts if the unpacking limit is what is truely desired, AFAICT
[08:07] <rodrigo_> morning
[08:09] <pitti> micahg: ah, I just uploaded another vala-0.14, apparently that conflicted with your's (apparently you didn't push to bzr)
[08:09] <pitti> micahg: but as it built now anyway, I guess I now just restore it to plain "valac"?
[08:12] <seb128> hey rodrigo_
[08:12] <rodrigo_> hi seb128, how are you?
[08:13] <pitti> ah, you did
[08:14] <seb128> rodrigo_, I'm fine thanks, how are you?
[08:14] <seb128> rodrigo_, had good holidays?
[08:14] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, very good :)
[08:14] <rodrigo_> so, is everyone in berlin?
[08:15] <seb128> yes
[08:15] <seb128> you need to hold desktop while we are away :p
[08:15] <seb128> btw seems RAOF managed to get colord in debian
[08:16] <AfC> lifeless, RAOF: so does this mean I need to uninstall my entire GNOME stack, then reinstall it, to get around this?
[08:16] <seb128> RAOF, did you file a mir and sync request for it?
[08:16] <pitti> hey rodrigo_, how are you?
[08:16] <AfC> [or start doing lots of manual installs with --force-depends, or...?]
[08:16] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok, I will guard the ship :)
[08:16] <pitti> RAOF: http://packages.qa.debian.org/c/colord.html -> great job!
[08:17] <rodrigo_> hi pitti, I'm fine, a bit exhausted still after the trip back home on Saturday though
[08:17] <pitti> micahg: I updated vala-0.14 bzr now, thanks for fixing it
[08:17] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok cool, I'll enable the color plugin in g-s-d and g-c-c as soon as the MIR is accepted
[08:17] <lifeless> AfC: well, what did aptitude say the root of the problem was?
[08:18] <seb128_> re
[08:19] <seb128_> crappy conference internet
[08:19] <seb128_> RAOF, pitti, rodrigo_: did you get what I was saying about colord?
[08:19] <rodrigo_> :)
[08:20] <rodrigo_> seb128_, I did
[08:21] <pitti> seb128_: that it's in Debian, and that we need to wait for the MIR, yes
[08:22] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, how are you? did you have a nice vacation?
[08:23] <pitti> chrisccoulson: it was great, yes (see http://piware.de/fotos/Innradtour-2011/)
[08:23] <pitti> was a nice cycling trip again, and this time with Alps mountain profile
[08:23] <pitti> that was quite an exercise :)
[08:24] <rodrigo_> pitti, wow
[08:25] <chrisccoulson> pitti, the pictures look nice :)
[08:25] <rodrigo_> pitti, where was that?
[08:25] <rodrigo_> ah, St. moritz
[08:25] <pitti> rodrigo_: we started in St. Moritz (Switzerland), through Austria, until Passau in Germany
[08:25] <pitti> along the whole Inn river
[08:25] <rodrigo_> cool
[08:26] <seb128_> grrrr summit internet
[08:26] <pitti> seb128_: looks like my 2G connection in the train at 200 km/h is more stable than your wifi? :-)
[08:28] <seb128_> pitti, wifi there is crapland
[08:31] <seb128_> pitti, it takes over a minute to load a webpage, irc lag keeps raising
[08:31] <seb128_> still not sure if you guys received what I wrote before
[08:32] <seb128_> I'm waiting for the irclog website to catch up to see that ;-)
[08:33] <rodrigo_> seb128_, we got your message about getting the week off, yes :)
[08:33] <pitti> seb128_: last thing you said was "seb128_ | RAOF, pitti, rodrigo_: did you get what I was saying about colord?"
[08:34] <rodrigo_> seb128, about the colord thing, yes we did get it
[08:34] <rodrigo_> talking about broken things, I broke my laptop during holidays, on an update
[08:35] <seb128> ok
[08:35] <seb128> rodrigo_, broke like physically drop off and broke it?
[08:35] <seb128> or like distro breakage?
[08:35] <rodrigo_> seb128, software brokenness
[08:35] <seb128> did you fix it?
[08:36] <rodrigo_> need to recover it and copy all stuff to my PC
[08:36] <rodrigo_> seb128, in the process of
[08:36] <rodrigo_> seems to be some kernel 3.0-related
[08:36] <seb128> or is it still broken?
[08:36] <seb128> ok
[08:36] <rodrigo_> so, let's see if I can boot into another kernel and copy all stuff
[08:39] <seb128> so back to my colord question, did somebody filled a sync request and a mir bug?
[08:39] <seb128> rodrigo_, ^
[08:39] <seb128> once that done you can build g-c-c with it
[08:39] <rodrigo_> seb128, not me, so will ask RAOF
[08:41] <AfC> lifeless: all the aptitude "solutions" involved me uninstalling gnome-shell, gnome-tweak-tool, empathy, and epiphany.
[08:41] <seb128> ok
[08:42] <pitti> RAOF, seb128: i can sync it right now
[08:42] <AfC> RAOF: so, based on lifeless's input, does that mean we need to redo the gir1.2-json-1.0 package?
[08:46] <seb128> pitti, seems like a first step, then RAOF or rodrigo_ will need to write a mir for it
[08:46] <AfC> RAOF: If so, I can attempt repackaging it locally, but before I do that I'd like to know it's the right thing to try :)
[08:47] <lifeless> AfC: right but it should explain why
[08:48] <lifeless> RAOF: as far as installaility, conflicts and breaks are identical
[08:48] <lifeless> AfC: this sort of thing is usually due to an incompatible library bump and only some users of it being migrated
[08:50] <pitti> RAOF, seb128, rodrigo_: can't sync colord; launchpad doesn't support .tar.xz yet
[08:50] <seb128> pitti, it should
[08:50] <seb128> cjwatson, said it was ok before natty
[08:50] <pitti> please do an ubuntu1 upload as tar.bz2 or so, or just do that in debian
[08:50] <pitti> 2011-08-08 08:47:54 DEBUG   Rejected:
[08:50] <pitti> 2011-08-08 08:47:54 DEBUG   File colord_0.1.11.orig.tar.xz mentioned in the changes file was not found.
[08:50] <pitti> 2011-08-08 08:47:54 DEBUG   Unable to find colord_0.1.11.orig.tar.xz in upload or distribution.
[08:50] <pitti> 2011-08-08 08:47:54 DEBUG   Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification.
[08:51] <pitti> the file does exist in ~/syncs/
[08:51] <pitti> so whatever it tries to tell me, it doesn't like it
[08:51] <seb128> he fixed the remaining issues
[08:51] <seb128> not sure that get real world testing since though
[08:52] <seb128> I wonder if that's a sync tool issue
[08:52] <pitti> sync-source.py seems fine
[08:52] <pitti> it's flush-syncs which broke
[08:53] <seb128> i.e if a manual upload would work
[08:53] <seb128> if only opening a webpage was taking less than 3 minutes here...
[08:54] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/619152
[08:54] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 619152 in launchpad "Add data.tar.xz support" [Low,Triaged]
[08:55] <pitti> seb128: ah, so "pending"
[08:56] <pitti> RAOF: eh, new mesa pulls in libwayland0?
[08:56] <pitti> RAOF: is wayland meant for main now?
[09:03] <seb128> hum, timeouted this time
[09:04] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/619152
[09:04] <seb128> well I guess RAOF will need to do an ubuntu upload with a bz2
[09:04] <seb128> that's what I was saying before timing out
[09:04] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 619152 in launchpad "Add data.tar.xz support" [Low,Triaged]
[09:04] <pitti> seb128: ah, so "pending"
[09:05] <seb128> seems so
[09:08] <Laney> are you talking about colord?
[09:09] <Laney> (can't do much, on 3g)
[09:09] <pitti> Laney: yes, in particular tar.xz support
[09:09] <Laney> RAOF and I tested that on launchpad, and it seemed to work
[09:10] <Laney> .data.tar.xz is figgerent to .orig.tar.xz
[09:10] <Laney> see my PPA for an uploadwhich worked
[09:10] <Laney> er, different*
[09:10] <Laney> https://launchpad.net/~laney/+archive/ppa/+sourcepub/1844994/+listing-archive-extra
[09:11] <mvo> hey pitti ! when you go on the pygi hackfest, it would be great if you could have a look at https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=656014 - i attached a patch that works for me(tm) but as noted in the bug it may be incomplete
[09:11] <ubot2> Gnome bug 656014 in general "Missing GIR annotation/wrapper for pango_layout_get_line_readonly()" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[09:16] <seb128> Laney, the sync tools don't handle it fine it seems
[09:16] <seb128> but it could be an issue in the sync tools, not launchpad itself
[09:16] <seb128> hey mvo
[09:18] <mvo> hey seb128, how is berlin?
[09:18] <Laney> indeed
[09:18] <AfC> lifeless: right; the "reason" is because gir1.2-json-1.0: Conflicts: gir1.2-json-glib-1.0 and gir1.2-json-glib-1.0 is installed since lots of things depend on it.
[09:20] <lifeless> AfC: so, is gir1.2-json-1.0 newer ?
[09:22] <lifeless> AfC: and do the things that depend on gir1.2-json-glib-1.0 depend on that name, or on the virtual package name ?
[09:28] <rodrigo_> ok, ready to recover my laptop and the data in it, hopefully, so bbiab
[09:30] <seb128> pitti, ready IRC logs not sure that was replied to but not logged yet
[09:30] <seb128> bug #810217
[09:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 810217 in wayland "[MIR] wayland protocol package" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/810217
[09:32] <pitti> seb128: ah, so it is for main indeed
[09:32] <pitti> hey mvo!
[09:32] <pitti> mvo: opened that in a tab, I'll get to that
[09:32] <mvo> great, thanks pitti, its not urgent, but would allow me merging some code that uses this in the s-c gtk3 port
[09:33] <pitti> mvo: note that you didn't actually attach a patch, did you mean to?
[09:34] <mvo> pitti: indeed, let me fix that, its pretty trivial, just a "(transfer none)" for the two functions
[09:51] <cjwatson> pitti: I'd like to investigate that .orig.tar.xz sync problem
[09:51] <cjwatson> so please don't manually upload that yet
[09:58] <cjwatson> fixed now
[10:19] <AfC> lifeless: [sorry, was out]
[10:20] <AfC> lifeless: 1) gir1.2-json-1.0 newer
[10:22] <AfC> lifeless: 2) How do you differentiate between something depending on a virtual and a normal package?
[10:23] <AfC> [I'd have to guess not virtual since it wasn't previously a virtual package]
[10:23] <lifeless> by knowing what the package is
[10:23] <lifeless> anyhow
[10:23] <lifeless> this isn't a virtual package
[10:23] <lifeless> the conflicts/replaces pair is for virtual packages
[10:23] <AfC> (didn't think so)
[10:24] <lifeless> so
[10:24] <lifeless> the case here is that the old things are depending on the old library
[10:24] <lifeless> and the new package does not fulfil stuff
[10:24] <AfC> lots of old things, yeah
[10:24] <lifeless> the old packages need to be rebuilt
[10:25] <lifeless> either to change their dep line, if they would work, or to link against the new lib, if they wouldn't.
[10:25] <lifeless> either way, rebuild.
[10:25] <lifeless> for all the rdepends of the package being removed.
[10:25] <AfC> so I thought the whole idea of them having done Provides: in the "new" package is that everything else under the sun doesn't have to be rebuilt?
[10:25]  * pitti grabs some lunch, bbl
[10:25] <lifeless> AfC: whats the provides statement say ?
[10:26] <AfC> # apt-cache show gir1.2-json-1.0
[10:26] <AfC> ...
[10:26] <AfC> Provides: gir1.2-json-glib-1.0
[10:26] <AfC> Replaces: gir1.0-json-glib-1.0, gir1.2-json-glib-1.0
[10:26] <AfC> Conflicts: gir1.0-json-glib-1.0, gir1.2-json-glib-1.0
[10:28] <AfC> I tried manually force removing the "old" package, but the dependency resolution isn't any better.
[10:29] <AfC> lifeless: ^
[10:30] <lifeless> AfC: provides cannot provide a versioned dependency.
[10:30] <lifeless> AfC: what does apt-cache show for one of the dependencies that wants to be removed show.
[10:31] <AfC> lifeless: so, eg gnome-shell (to be updated), Depends: gir1.2-json-1.0
[10:32] <lifeless> AfC: no, one of the ones that needs to be removed
[10:32] <AfC> lifeless: so, eg gnome-shell (not updated), Depends: gir1.2-json-glib-1.0 (>= 0.12.0)
[10:32] <AfC> lifeless: this is the problem: it wants to remove gnome-shell
[10:33] <lifeless> ok
[10:33] <lifeless> gir1.2-json-glib-1.0 (>= 0.12.0)
[10:33] <lifeless> the bits in brackets mean that this relation can only be satisfied by non-virtual packages.
[10:34] <lifeless> virtual packages satisfy no versions
[10:34] <AfC> interesting, didn't know that
[10:34] <AfC> which is why Provides isn't working, and the Conflicts is screwing us
[10:34] <lifeless> this is covered in the policy doc linked earlier, if you want the gory details
[10:35] <AfC> so the ... if not solution, at least workaround ... will be to remove the Conflicts line and rebuild the "new" gir1.2-json-1.0 package
[10:35] <AfC> ?
[10:38] <AfC> [darn, out of time, have to go offline]
[10:39] <lifeless> uhm, depends on the package contents
[10:39] <AfC> lifeless: thanks for your help, been illuminating.
[10:39] <AfC> RAOF, I can certainly try & test a rebuild locally here if you don't have time to rebuild the package in PPA per Robert's suggestions.
[10:39] <AfC> I think it's just a package rename, but not sure. Bit of a black box.
[10:39] <AfC> → off
[11:45] <pitti> mdeslaur: FYI, new polkit is now in oneiric which supports the X11 pkexec stuff
[11:45] <pitti> (as well as your multiline patch)
[11:45] <mdeslaur> pitti: yeah, I saw that...thanks! I'll try and find some time this week to try and get rid of gksudo
[11:46] <chrisccoulson> hi mdeslaur, how are you?
[11:46] <mdeslaur> hi chrisccoulson!
[11:46] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: not bad, you?
[11:47] <chrisccoulson> mdeslaur, tired ;)
[11:47] <chrisccoulson> and i feel like my head is going to explode. i've spent several days looking at the same problem and not getting very far ;)
[11:48] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: oh, I hate when that happens :(
[11:48] <chrisccoulson> yeah, me too :(
[11:56] <pitti> chrisccoulson: maybe stop looking at it for a day or two and do something else?
[11:57] <micahg> pitti: re vala-0.14> thanks for merging
[12:05] <geser> is the "vala-0.14" source package the successor of "vala"?
[12:10] <pitti> yes, but we keep several major versions in parallel for an easier transition
[12:11] <geser> does it need a proper MIR to get to main? currently it's in universe and some packages build-depend on valac (now build from vala-0.14)
[12:12] <pitti> no, just new version; I promote it
[12:13] <pitti> (done)
[12:14] <geser> thx
[12:27]  * ogra_ is stunned ... so we dont ship a single tool anymore whith which you can resize a picture ?
[12:27]  * ogra_ just desperately tried to shrink a photo with an ubuntu default install
[12:30] <pitti> hm, apparently not :/ f-spot used to be able to, but shotwell isn't
[12:32] <ogra_> right
[12:33] <ogra_> i wasted 1h to try to do that on my android tablet ... all apps there only have crop either ... so i decided to quickly do irt on my lappie and copied it over ... to just find the same situation
[12:33] <ogra_> its weird that nobody seems to have thought about that function, i cant belive thats not a common task
[12:34] <ogra_> (in either OS)
[12:34] <GunnarHj> pitti: Hi Martin, hope your vacation was fine.
[12:34] <pitti> hey GunnarHj
[12:34] <pitti> GunnarHj: indeed it was, thanks! catching up on stuff/mail now
[12:34] <pitti> how are you?
[12:34] <GunnarHj> pitti: I'm fine, thanks.
[12:35] <GunnarHj> pitti: I have three pending MPs that are related to each other. Probably I'd better ask Rodrigo to review and sponsor the g-c-c MP. That way most of it may be done upstream instantly.
[12:35] <GunnarHj> But I'd appreciate if you could help process the l-s and accountsservice MPs.
[12:35] <GunnarHj> https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/language-selector/shared-tools/+merge/69190
[12:35] <GunnarHj> https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/ubuntu/oneiric/accountsservice/lang-to-profile/+merge/69085
[12:35] <GunnarHj> For a quick briefing you may want to read the latest comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/gnome-control-center/langfix/+merge/68997
[12:52] <pitti> GunnarHj: thanks, saw the MPs; will get to it as part of catching up with mail
[12:53] <GunnarHj> pitti: Ok, thanks.
[13:07] <cyphermox> good morning!
[13:08] <cyphermox> hey pitti, happy coming back from vacation ;)
[13:08] <pitti> hey cyphermox, how are you?
[13:09] <cjwatson> cyphermox: do you think we could migrate network-manager et al to libnl3 without too much pain?  I would love to merge http://packages.qa.debian.org/w/wpasupplicant/news/20110730T134712Z.html
[13:09] <cjwatson> (well, that's a sync actually)
[13:09] <cjwatson> it would be least paperwork if we could just swap out libnl for libnl3
[13:10] <cyphermox> cjwatson: sure. I can see if it builds fine
[13:10] <cyphermox> there was discussion about libnl3 jsut recently on the mailing list, too
[13:10] <cyphermox> pitti: doing good :)
[13:11] <cjwatson> the build-deps in main are  bluez ipvsadm libvirt network-manager ntrack quota wireless-crda wpasupplicant
[13:12] <cyphermox> cjwatson: nothing like trying now, nm builds quickly
[13:12] <cjwatson> I can have a quick look at the others
[13:13] <cyphermox> bluez I can look at too
[13:13] <cyphermox> ntrack isn't that asac's project?
[13:15] <cjwatson> ipvsadm fails out of the box
[13:15] <asac> cyphermox: libnl3 should be ready for ntrack in latest release + bzr
[13:16] <cyphermox> asac: cool, thanks
[13:16] <asac> cyphermox: needs packaging bump and a build-depends update afaict
[13:17] <cyphermox> alrighty
[13:17] <ricotz> cyphermox, hi
[13:17] <cyphermox> ricotz: hey
[13:17] <ricotz> cyphermox, do you know if the "use as hotspot" button in g-c-c is suppose to work?
[13:17] <ricotz> or are there known problems
[13:18] <cyphermox> ricotz: no idea, I haven't tried
[13:18] <cyphermox> ricotz: please open a bug if it doesn't work and I'll take a look at it later :)
[13:18] <ricotz> ok, it just crashes, but it doesnt seem to be a nm problem
[13:19] <ricotz> cyphermox, are you able to test this? for me it crashes in glib (but i am using a git version)
[13:19] <cyphermox> sure, I'll test it, but later
[13:20] <ricotz> thanks
[13:20] <cyphermox> ricotz: trying to figure out what needs to be done for libnl3 :)
[13:20] <ricotz> no problem, good luck with that :)
[13:20] <cyphermox> cjwatson: seems there is a git branch in progress for libnl3 in NM; but it's not merged, and there only seems to be one commit; I'll try it and see how far I can get
[13:21] <cjwatson> it might just be linkage tweaks, with luck?
[13:21] <cyphermox> ah, i see, it's not just a few commits, it's probably mostly done, and removing old code
[13:24] <tjaalton> desrt: hmm, I read that dconf "doesn't work over NFS", is it true?
[13:29] <tjaalton> desrt: ok found the upstream bug
[13:31] <cjwatson> cyphermox: ipvsadm seems to amount to http://paste.ubuntu.com/661134/
[13:32] <cyphermox> cjwatson: thanks
[13:33] <cyphermox> I think dcbw was doing some refactoring in the netlink stuff as well; but I'll see, trying to build now with a patch that contains all the commits from the libnl3 branch
[13:51] <cyphermox> cjwatson: it built and seems to work "fine"; minus a few error messages but nothing appears to be omgwrong (e.g. I still got a connection, routes look okay, etc.)
[13:51] <cyphermox> I'll just reboot and kick it around some more to be sure
[14:11] <ricotz> cyphermox, fyi, fixes the crash http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=48dec984dbfe5e69c6717c16f69a6f52e08cd1f2
[14:12] <ricotz> sorry, no it doesnt :\
[14:14] <cyphermox> yeah, that seemed a little weird ;)
[14:14] <cyphermox> ricotz: if you fix the fix, wanna prepare a package (and close the corresponding lp bug)? I'll be happy to sponsor if I can
[14:16] <ricotz> cyphermox, i just wanted to play with my wireless settings creating network, and it seems it cant handle this if there isnt something set up already
[14:17] <cyphermox> ricotz: ok. I'll give it a quick shot in a few minutes... this really all should work but I haven't had any hand in g-c-c, I only know there is a page that somewhat works
[14:18] <ricotz> cyphermox, ok
[14:18] <ricotz> it crashes to while getting the length of a null string
[14:18] <cyphermox> ricotz: ok, final build test for NM with libnl3-dev before uploading; now it's really your turn ;)
[14:19] <ricotz> nice, is it a new snapshot too?
[14:19] <cyphermox> nah
[14:19] <ricotz> ok
[14:19] <cyphermox> you need a snapshot for something?
[14:19] <ricotz> no
[14:20] <ricotz> if my problem isnt a nm problem though ;)
[14:20] <cyphermox> right
[14:21] <cyphermox> there's no big things in git, except for that "possible dbus activation errors" commit, but I was really more planning on taking another snapshot when Dan merges in the libnl3 stuff
[14:21] <cyphermox> (or releases 0.9)
[14:25] <cyphermox> ricotz: did you report the bug in lp after all?:
[14:25] <cyphermox> I just managed to reproduce the crash after removing my ad-hoc networks already configured
[14:26] <ricotz> no
[14:28] <cyphermox> please ;)
[14:28] <ricotz> ok
[14:33] <cyphermox> really interesting how it crashes, I wonder what that code is trying to do
[14:37] <ricotz> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/822722
[14:37] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 822722 in gnome-control-center "Crashes on using "Use as Hotspot"" [Undecided,New]
[14:37] <ricotz> cyphermox, ^
[14:37] <cyphermox> thanks!
[14:39] <cyphermox> ricotz: #2  generate_ssid_for_hotspot (panel=0x7ffff82d4660) at cc-network-panel.c:2685   ///        ssid = 0x0
[14:40] <cyphermox> ricotz: this probably doesn't help: (gnome-control-center:6327): network-cc-panel-WARNING **: Getting pretty hostname failed: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.freedesktop.
[14:40] <cyphermox> hostname1 was not provided by any .service files
[14:48] <ricotz> could be the/a cause for this
[14:48] <cyphermox> pretty sure it is, testing a patch now
[14:51] <cyphermox> cjwatson: just uploaded NM with the libnl3 changes
[15:02] <geser> is it normal that unity-panel-service segfaults every 60s? (oneiric, AMD64, unity-2d)
[15:05] <cyphermox> geser: nope
[15:06] <cyphermox> might be a known issue though
[15:11] <cjwatson> cyphermox: OK, I'd better get uploading other things then so it can be swapped over and actually build :-)
[15:14] <cyphermox> ah, woops, didn't think it needed much coordination ;)
[15:15] <cyphermox> cjwatson: d'oh. I see now.
[15:16] <cyphermox> bluez to be ready soon too.
[15:19] <rodrigo_> hmm, can't find the gnome-online-accounts mir bug
[15:19] <cyphermox> rodrigo_: closed?
[15:22] <rodrigo_> cyphermox, yeah, found it -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-online-accounts/+bug/812927
[15:22] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 812927 in gnome-online-accounts "[MIR] gnome-online-accounts" [Undecided,Fix released]
[15:23] <cyphermox> rodrigo_: that's good, now just one mir to go and I can enable goa in evo
[15:23] <rodrigo_> cyphermox, what else do you need?
[15:24] <chrisccoulson> g'ah, i hate gtk-window-decorator
[15:24] <chrisccoulson> please stop crashing
[15:24] <cyphermox> rodrigo_: ah, liboauth. there's already bug 808765 about it, waiting for cdbs to upload a new revision
[15:24] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 808765 in liboauth "[MIR] liboauth" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/808765
[15:24] <rodrigo_> cyphermox, ok
[15:25] <cyphermox> rodrigo_: if I have a patch for g-c-c, can I just ping you with it?
[15:25] <rodrigo_> ah, seb already uploaded a g-c-c with goa enabled, good seb!
[15:25] <rodrigo_> cyphermox, yes
[15:25] <cyphermox> cool
[15:29] <dobey> anyone know why this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/661194/ would happen building in a PPA? python-gobject is installed via build-depends.
[15:30] <dobey> mvo: ^^ you maybe? :)
[15:34] <mvo> dobey: hm, that looks like aptdaemon is for some reason trying to talk to X :/ I guess you use this in your tests?
[15:48] <dobey> mvo: yes, but why would setup.py build do any of that?
[16:00] <jbicha> bug 822464 would be nice to get fixed
[16:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 822464 in gjs "Upgrade gjs to 1.29.16" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/822464
[16:01] <jbicha> upstream never released a new python-gobject, I don't know if it's required or not
[16:05] <cyphermox> rodrigo_: we may want to fallback to g_get_host_name()'s return value if the dbus call to ...hostname1 fails: http://paste.ubuntu.com/661213/
[16:05] <cyphermox> oops
[16:07] <cyphermox> jbicha: want to try to update the package to find out?
[16:09] <ricotz> cyphermox, this should probably go upstream
[16:10] <cyphermox> ricotz: yes, that's why I was pinging rodrigo :)
[16:10] <ricotz> since in the current case this g_warning leads to a fatal condition
[16:10] <ricotz> oh right ;)
[16:10] <jbicha> cyphermox: I can try building and see what happens but I think testing it would be a bit over my head
[16:10] <cyphermox> but he got scared away so I'll open a bug
[16:11] <cyphermox> jbicha: ok
[16:11] <rodrigo_> cyphermox, ok thanks
[16:11] <mvo> dobey: oh, so this does not run any tests, its really just from the build? I need to look into this
[16:11] <cyphermox> ah, so you saw my ping anyway
[16:11] <mvo> dobey: do you have a link to the full build log for me?
[16:12] <rodrigo_> cyphermox, yeah, xchat crashed when I clicked on your link :)
[16:13] <cyphermox> fun
[16:13] <cyphermox> is that reproduceable? ;)
[16:15] <rodrigo_> cyphermox, not anymore for now
[16:18] <ricotz> cyphermox, rodrigo_, while this patched g-c-c gets uploaded it could need a symbols update for 3.1.4 too -- there are two new
[16:19] <rodrigo_> cyphermox, pushed to git
[16:19] <rodrigo_> hmm, can't we just wait for the next release?
[16:19] <rodrigo_> ricotz, which symbols are missing?
[16:20] <ricotz> rodrigo_, it could wait -- http://paste.debian.net/plain/125509
[16:20] <ricotz> but still it is a crash ;)
[16:22] <rodrigo_> ah, if it's affecting users, yes, sure, let's upload it
[16:22] <rodrigo_> cyphermox, are you uploading it?
[16:24] <cyphermox> rodrigo_: yeah, i just wanted to make sure this went upstream too
[16:24] <cyphermox> sorry, I was reading stuff
[16:24] <rodrigo_> cyphermox, ok, so please do the symbols update from ricotz also, please :)
[16:24] <cyphermox> ricotz: yup, saw the symbols changes
[16:31] <rodrigo_> out for a bit, bbl
[16:42] <jbicha> cyphermox: here's a build of gobject-introspection if you want to test https://launchpad.net/~jbicha/+archive/dev/
[16:47] <jbicha> but I don't understand the invoke-rewrite stuff
[17:56] <charlie-tca> Any word on fixing lightdm to work for everything?
[17:57] <charlie-tca> We could start with bug 819609
[17:57] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 819609 in casper "Oneiric live CD boots to login screen" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/819609
[17:57] <charlie-tca> That really isn't fixed for any flavor except Ubuntu
[17:57] <charlie-tca> The rest of us can not even force lightdm to auto-login
[18:00] <cyphermox> charlie-tca: would be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/806408 no?
[18:00] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 806408 in lightdm "After xubuntu upgrade or installation, default session on greeter must be xubuntu" [Medium,Confirmed]
[18:01] <cyphermox> I'd maybe bring up the importance so that robertancell can look into it when he logs in
[18:01] <charlie-tca> That doesn't include the live sessions, does it?
[18:01] <charlie-tca> Since we do not have Ubuntu session, we can use auto-login for live cd
[18:01] <charlie-tca> Since we do not have Ubuntu session, we can *not* use auto-login for live cd
[18:02] <cyphermox> charlie-tca: well, it's refered to by stgraber from bug 819624 which is the bug refered to by 819609
[18:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 819624 in casper "casper doesn't configure autologin for lightdm properly" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/819624
[18:02] <cyphermox> (messy)
[18:02] <charlie-tca> yeah, messy and getting worse
[18:03] <charlie-tca> I need a live session to auto-login when not calling Ubuntu, and I need to be able to default the session to Xubuntu
[18:03] <charlie-tca> It really comes back to bug 799754
[18:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 799754 in lightdm "Please let vendors easily provide their own config" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/799754
[18:03] <charlie-tca> which needs to be resolvedd
[18:04] <scott-work_> charlie-tca: i just want to point out that you rock!  carry on ;)
[18:04] <cyphermox> aye.
[18:05] <charlie-tca> I need these fixed, and it seems it is getting nowhere fast
[18:05] <cyphermox> I'd really like to avoid muddying the water and let robert handle this :/
[18:05] <cyphermox> I can certainly prod him when I see him online though
[18:07] <charlie-tca> Please do so
[18:07] <charlie-tca> unfortunately, it keeps getting put aside, since Ubuntu has it working for them
[18:07] <charlie-tca> Lubuntu, Kubuntu, Mythbuntu, Xubuntu, can not use lightdm
[18:08] <charlie-tca> It is worse for us now then gdm, and that's pretty bad
[18:08] <jbicha> well gdm mostly works
[18:09] <charlie-tca> Yes, with a lot of effort
[18:09] <cyphermox> charlie-tca: alright. I subscribed to the bugs so I'll know if they move... or not
[18:09] <charlie-tca> It doesn't really "just work"
[18:09] <cyphermox> ricotz: confirm you get g-c-c 1:3.1.4-0ubuntu5 and it fixed the hotspot thing for you?
[18:09] <charlie-tca> Thank you, cyphermox
[18:09] <jbicha> ok, it works for Ubuntu though, don't know about how difficult it is for derivatives
[18:10] <cyphermox> brb
[18:10] <charlie-tca> which is the entire issue here
[18:11] <jbicha> rodrigo_: especially with the extra icons we're adding to g-c-c, it would be nice if it expanded horizontally
[18:12] <jbicha> on smaller screens it does vertical scrolling when just becoming a wider window would work
[18:21] <cyphermox> uh-oh, no power cycling at reboot?
[18:24] <ricotz> cyphermox, will do if it gets rolled out, but i confirmed it works with a local build ealier
[18:25] <cyphermox> ok
[18:25] <cyphermox> ricotz: well, it should get published any time now
[18:30] <dupondje> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=590202 => seems like we have same bug here also ?
[18:31] <ubot2> bugzilla.redhat.com bug 590202 in NetworkManager "NM spontaneously reconnects, seemingly for no reason" [Medium,Assigned]
[18:35] <cyphermox> dupondje: doubtful that this is really a bug... care to share your particuliar experiences?
[18:36] <cyphermox> dupondje: if you file a bug in Launchpad (using ubuntu-bug), it's going to be easier for me to tell what might be acting up
[18:37] <dupondje> Aug  7 23:18:18 laptop-jl kernel: [ 4783.051128] wlan0: deauthenticating from c0:c1:c0:0b:13:34 by local choice (reason=3)
[18:37] <cyphermox> actually, what I wrote there is better written as "doubtful that this is a bug in *NM* ;)
[18:37] <dupondje> wireless disconnects quite often :)
[18:37] <cyphermox> dupondje: can you paste the whole syslog?
[18:37] <cyphermox> that message can happen for a variety of reasons :)
[18:38] <dupondje> well cyphermox, its because ipv6 settings somewhere :)
[18:38] <cyphermox> paste in a pastebin of course
[18:40] <dupondje> http://paste.ubuntu.com/661321/
[18:42] <cyphermox> anything else above that?
[18:42] <dupondje> nope, but i'll run NetworkManager in debug now
[18:42] <cyphermox> ah
[18:42] <dupondje> lets wait for a disconnect ^^
[18:43] <cyphermox> sure.
[18:43] <cyphermox> this looks like it might be failing dhcp renewals, but it's hard to tell, all I see is the first point where the device gets failed
[18:44] <cyphermox> I got some tweaks and fixes to make to the patch that handles ipv6/ipv4 in parallel, so maybe this will actually get fixed there, too
[18:52] <dupondje> back :)
[18:52] <dupondje> still running debug
[18:53] <cyphermox> ok
[18:53] <dupondje> but it doesn't set my nameservers now somehow :s
[18:53] <cyphermox> uh-oh
[18:53] <cyphermox> dupondje: are you on oneiric?
[18:53] <dupondje> ye
[18:56] <GunnarHj> rodrigo_: Hello, did you see the updates of https://code.launchpad.net/~gunnarhj/gnome-control-center/langfix/+merge/68997 ? Not ready to be uploaded yet, since I'm waiting for pitti to sponsor the related l-s MP, but in the meantime we might try to agree on what's upstreamable. My current suggestion is simply the proposed 04_language_settings.patch.
[18:57] <ricotz> cyphermox, g-c-c works
[19:03] <cyphermox> ricotz: thanks
[19:18] <dupondje> Seems like in DEBUG mode it doesn't have nameservers :p INFO works fine :s
[19:19] <cyphermox> that doesn't make sense
[19:19] <cyphermox> it's the same code, minus the debug messages
[19:19] <dupondje> runned 3x with DEBUG, no nameservers
[19:19] <dupondje> run it again with INFO, have nameservers
[19:19] <dupondje> weird
[19:20] <cyphermox> so it's some race with getting your namservers
[19:20] <cyphermox> do you get them from the RA or from DHCPv6?
[19:20] <dupondje> RA
[19:21] <dupondje> NetworkManager[32387]: <debug> [1312830928.24751] [nm-ip6-manager.c:708] process_nduseropt_rdnss(): (wlan0): refreshing RA-provided nameserver 2001:1af8:4400:a020:1:: (expires in 70 seconds)
[19:21] <cyphermox> (and dah, we tested this thoroughly with multiple different cases of v6, v4 and dhcp)
[19:21] <cyphermox> ah
[19:21] <cyphermox> dupondje: then I would suggest you open a bug in LP if you haven't already done so (ubuntu-bug network-manager) and attach a packet capture if you can
[19:22] <cyphermox> a packet capture for the failure case, because we need to know if you receive the RA on time or not, and if NM is being unhappy with it for some reason)
[20:58] <dupondje> cyphermox: got a disconnect: http://paste.ubuntu.com/661423/
[23:45] <basso> gnome shell is quite unstable :(


[01:02] <mup> Bug #1950527 opened: MAAS 3.1.0-rc1 architecture drop-down empty on "Add VM host" <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1950527>
[01:05] <mup> Bug #1950527 changed: MAAS 3.1.0-rc1 architecture drop-down empty on "Add VM host" <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1950527>
[01:08] <mup> Bug #1950527 opened: MAAS 3.1.0-rc1 architecture drop-down empty on "Add VM host" <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1950527>
[13:12] <mup> Bug #1950648 opened: Potential DB threadpool exhaustion issue in bootresources.py <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1950648>
[19:55] <mup> Bug #1950684 opened: Clicking "Machines" from cloning screen does not return user to machine listing <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1950684>
[22:19] <mup> Bug #1950694 opened: Uploading multiple images from the same ISO results in incorrect names in GUI <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1950694>
[22:22] <mup> Bug #1950694 changed: Uploading multiple images from the same ISO results in incorrect names in GUI <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1950694>
[22:26] <mup> Bug #1950694 opened: Uploading multiple images from the same ISO results in incorrect names in GUI <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1950694>
[22:29] <mup> Bug #1950694 changed: Uploading multiple images from the same ISO results in incorrect names in GUI <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1950694>
[22:35] <mup> Bug #1950694 opened: Uploading multiple images from the same ISO results in incorrect names in GUI <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1950694>
[22:38] <mup> Bug #1950694 changed: Uploading multiple images from the same ISO results in incorrect names in GUI <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1950694>
[22:44] <mup> Bug #1950694 opened: Uploading multiple images from the same ISO results in incorrect names in GUI <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1950694>


[06:25] <gry> drone` quieted agent_white in #ubuntu, is it false positive?
[06:26] <gry> [16:24:54] <agent_white> ryilefer_: wileee seems to be right. Since there's only one VGA controller being shown (that being the onboard Intel), and 3D controller is showing your GeForce GT 720M, you need to follow the link wileee gave: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee
[06:26] <gry> [16:24:54] *** Mode #ubuntu +q *!*@unaffiliated/agent-white/x-6197888 by Drone`
[06:26] <gry> this sort of thing
[06:27] <gry> and it's unquieted, so I'm out for now
[09:03] <Johnny_Linux> whats the criteria on getting unbanned.
[09:04] <bazhang> why were you banned and from which channel
[09:05] <Johnny_Linux> you banned me, i was having k/b batt problems and forgot the / before #j, and you banned me, remember ?
[09:06] <bazhang> not really
[09:07] <Johnny_Linux> i never contested for 1 week to allow for things to cool down., but anyway, the logs are true to what i stated, sorry if there was any misunderstanding
[09:08] <bazhang> try now
[09:09] <Johnny_Linux> thanks, have a super day bazhang
[09:09] <Johnny_Linux> chow
[09:09] <bazhang> bye
[10:00] <k1l> seems like ubottu lost again all durations i did set for bans and mutes
[17:39] <IdleOne> Empyrium: Please part this channel. Idling is not allowed by non-ops. Thank you.
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