[00:00] <pyntix> i seem to have lost my fine explaining touch this evening >_<
[00:00] <biz> What's your graphics card?
[00:01] <pyntix> NVidia GeForce MX 420
[00:01] <biz> run 'xdpyinfo | grep NV-GLX'
[00:02] <pyntix> ok, nothing happened
[00:03] <biz> ok, then pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:04] <pyntix> http://paste.ubuntu.com/67026/
[00:06] <biz> ok, as root or using sudo, open up /etc/X11/xorg.conf with your favorite editor
[00:06] <pyntix> done
[00:07] <biz> in the "Device" section, change the line 'Driver "nv"' to 'Driver "nvidia"'
[00:07] <pyntix> ok
[00:08] <biz> since you're going to use a proprietary driver from nvidia, you need to install it first. You've stated that, before restarting X, try to modprobe it first: 'sudo modprobe nvidia'
[00:09] <pyntix> ok so i reboot again now?
[00:09] <biz> if it works and 'lsmod | grep nvidia' returns the nvidia kernel module, you can restart X and you'll be using nvidia's driver
[00:09] <biz> A simple logout + X-Server restart (CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE) + login should be enough
[00:10] <pyntix> ok
[00:11] <pyntix> hope i got it right now... i modprobed nvidia (nothing in output) and then lsmod which returned this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/67032/
[00:12] <biz> looks fine
[00:12] <biz> If you're unable to restart X, you just need to revert that change to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:13] <pyntix> ok
[00:13] <pyntix> here goes, brb
[00:16] <pyntix> biz, thanks a lot, it works! :D
[00:17] <biz> Fine.. you were just using the "nv" driver, which is the opensource "equivalent" to nvidia's proprietary, closed-source driver you're using now. So the installation or switch between the nvidia packages shipped did nothing in reality ;-)
[00:18] <pyntix> ahaa i see
[00:20] <biz> there's another project called "nouveau", which aims at usable opensource nvidia drivers.. you could try it if your card is supported
[00:21] <pyntix> what is it's advantage over the proprietary drivers, except being free?
[00:23] <biz> probably better support for some open desktop standards and the chance to fix bugs earlier and get in some more advanced features.. but 3D performance-wise, stay with nvidia's proprietary drivers..
[00:33] <solotim> hi, group, I'm a ati laptop user.  I found that xubuntu 8.10 ship open source ati driver as substitution of fglrx. Now I can't set desired resolution for my laptop.
[00:33] <solotim> any suggestion? thanks
[00:35] <favro> !fglrx | solotim
[00:36] <solotim> thank you!
[00:41] <favro> np
[01:30] <efpc2003> hi, i can not see ntfs partition any more, since last week, i use xubuntu 8.04.1
[01:31] <cody-somerville> efpc2003, whats changed? Any idea why?
[01:31] <efpc2003> yes, it hapen 10 days ago
[01:31] <cody-somerville> yes what?
[01:32] <efpc2003> happen or hapen (i dont speak english, i hope you understandme)
[01:32] <cody-somerville> I asked you "what has changed?" and "any idea why?". Do you have any idea what has changed to cause your problem?
[01:33] <efpc2003> using thunar i always see my ntfs partition, nothin has changed on my pc, just "update-manager" its every thing up-to-date
[01:35] <efpc2003> only one thing, i downloaded xmms (source) and i installed/ was installed using a terminal "./configure make sudo make install"
[01:36] <efpc2003> and opera 9.62 using gdebi
[01:37] <efpc2003> the same thing happened some one else on ubuntuforums
[01:39] <cody-somerville> efpc2003, You do know it isn't recommended to compile and install your own applications for the average user.
[01:42] <solotim> hello, group.  my xorg.conf file is extremely simple, only "Device" "Monitor" and "Screen" included. no resolution info declared. I have run the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but nothing changed. what should i do next?
[01:42] <efpc2003> see this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6098353#post6098353
[01:43] <solotim> I have read atidriver guide of ubuntu.com ,  but I can't figure it out.
[01:44] <solotim> my video card is legacy "ATI Rage Mobility M3"
[01:45] <solotim> I think I should use the xserver-xorg-video-ati, not the xorg-driver-fglrx
[01:46] <solotim> but the problem is that I just can't set resolution to 1024x768.  my xubuntu desktop is stuck in 800x600@60Hz
[01:47] <solotim> thanks for any help!
[01:47] <solotim> besides, my mouse can't work now!  it's absolutely OK with xubuntu 8.04
[01:56] <XiXaQ> I have to remove xubuntu from all my old laptops, because its way too heavy. Can you recommend another distro that's more lightweight than xubuntu 8.10?
[01:58] <XiXaQ> do you think that xubuntu will continue to grow heavier and heavier, or perhaps it'll go back to the levels of hardy, gutsy or even feisty? Those worked perfectly, but now it swaps all the time, making it impossible to do anything.
[01:58] <ball> XiXaQ: seems quite useable on my box
[01:59] <ball> How much RAM do you have?
[01:59] <XiXaQ> 128MB.
[01:59] <ball> Yeah, you probably want more than that for Linux
[01:59] <ball> (at least, Linux with a desktop)
[01:59] <XiXaQ> well. Xubuntu Hardy boots in 1m5s on that laptop. Intrepid boots in just over six minutes.
[01:59] <ball> It would work beautifully with NetBSD + blackbox, but that's hardcore.
[01:59] <XiXaQ> 1minute 50 seconds...
[02:00]  * ball blinks
[02:00] <ball> I'm used to PCs booting in seconds
[02:00] <XiXaQ> on ten year old computers?
[02:01] <XiXaQ> it seems a bit strange to double the minimum requirements just like that.
[02:03] <ball> XiXaQ: yes, on ten year old computers
[02:03] <favro> XiXaQ: I use a minimal install based on the server cd and fluxbox - it uses 45mb to get the desktop loaded
[02:03] <XiXaQ> you're using DSL then?
[02:04] <ball> XiXaQ: No, I use NetBSD on those.
[02:04] <ball> Anyone happen to know how I mount a fat filesystem from a USB device (iPod Mini)?
[02:05] <XiXaQ> mount -t vfat /dev/blabla /mountpoint?
[02:05] <favro> mount -t vfat /dev/sdxx /path/to/mountpoint   should work
[02:06] <XiXaQ> what's the least user hostile of those less resource heavy environments?
[02:07] <ball> thanks
[02:07] <ball> XiXaQ: NetBSD is a cow to install but quite pleasant once you get there... if you like unix that is.
[02:07] <XiXaQ> thiese people are not geeks, they're just normal people who wanted an alternative to windows or throwing the laptops in the trash. It's such a shame that xubuntu isn't an alternative anymore, because they've grown used to it.
[02:07] <ball> XiXaQ: candidates for Edubuntu?
[02:07] <XiXaQ> huh?
[02:08] <ball> Machines that limited might make nice X terminals
[02:08] <XiXaQ> my uncle uses his laptop at his cabin, for instance.
[02:08] <ball> Yeah, Edubuntu's not an option for him then, at least, not in the way that I had in mind.
[02:08] <XiXaQ> NX could work, but..
[02:09] <XiXaQ> you know, people like youtube and stuff. that doesn't work well with thinclients.
[02:09] <ball> Doesn't work with NetBSD either.
[02:09] <XiXaQ> the new DSL looks nice though.
[02:10] <XiXaQ> but I suspect it isn't exactly very user friendly.
[02:10] <ball> Ugh... can't drag files away.
[02:10] <ball> s/away/around/
[02:11] <favro> XiXaQ: dsl is based on right click menu - but it is limited in packages
[02:13] <ball> Hmm...  It is an option.
[02:15] <XiXaQ> ball, why?
[02:16] <ball> XiXaQ: well, I suppose the real cause is elsewhere.  I can't seem to get permissions right for everyday things.
[02:16] <XiXaQ> if you really want to, you can enable the root account in about five seconds.
[02:16] <ball> XiXaQ: well, I can "sudo /bin/sh"
[02:16] <XiXaQ> you can du sudo passwd root..
[02:16] <XiXaQ> if you really want to, that is.
[02:17] <ball> okay, I'll keep that in mind
[02:17] <ball> I need to make this ipod world-writable
[02:17] <XiXaQ> but there is a reason why we have the sudo mechanism.
[02:17] <favro> ball: do you own the mountpoint?
[02:18] <XiXaQ> ball, really? chmod -R g+r mountpoint?
[02:18] <ball> I created the mountpoint as 777
[02:18] <XiXaQ> before or after you mounted the device?
[02:18] <ball> Hmm, but when I mounted it it became 755
[02:18] <XiXaQ> ehrm, the partition.
[02:18] <ball> ...and I can't seem to change that
[02:19] <XiXaQ> what do you do?
[02:19] <juanantonio> Hello
[02:19] <favro> isn't it 0777 for a dir?
[02:19] <XiXaQ> ball, sudo chmod -R g+r mountpoint.
[02:19] <ball> XiXaQ: sorry, I don't speak that.
[02:19] <cody-somerville_> ball, instead of mounting it as root, mount it as you
[02:19] <XiXaQ> ball, huh?
[02:19] <ball> favro: a mountpoint is a directory
[02:19] <ball> cody-somerville: that's damn strange
[02:20] <ball> I'll try it though
[02:20] <juanantonio> Got a little question for you. I installed Kubuntu on a Quad and works really fine. I wanted to install Ubuntu or Xubuntu on a PIII, what do you think?
[02:20] <XiXaQ> ball, sudo runs the command as root. chmod changes permissions for a file or folder. -R makes sure you also set permissions for the included files and folders. g+r means you want to give read permissions to the group. But you wanted write, so you'll use g+w instead.
[02:20] <ball> mount: only root can do that
[02:21] <ball> juanantonio: provided the PIII has ample RAM, no problem.
[02:21] <juanantonio> 192 Mb is enough? I can put 320 Mb
[02:22] <cody-somerville> I personally recommend atleast 256mb of ram
[02:22] <cody-somerville> 512mb would be best
[02:22] <juanantonio> How much space do Ubuntu and Xubuntu take from my HD?
[02:23] <ball> juanantonio: I'm trying it on a machine with 384 Mbytes of RAM and that seems to work well.
[02:23] <ball> More would be better.
[02:23] <juanantonio> It is a 10 years PC, I can use it as an aMule downloader
[02:24] <ball> juanantonio: I'm surrounded by ten year old PCs
[02:24] <ball> what is an amule?
[02:24] <juanantonio> 384? I don't know if I can put that, thank you for your info about it ;)
[02:24] <juanantonio> A ed2k client
[02:24] <ball> What is an ed2k?
[02:25] <ball> 320 Mbytes is odd, but probably about the same as 384 Mbytes for basic use.
[02:25] <ball> cody-somerville: I can't seem to mount this thing as me (well, as doris, whose machine I'm using)
[02:25] <juanantonio> I found it in KDE repositories and I know how to use it, and I don't want to know how to use another one, excep this program is Azureus
[02:26] <cody-somerville> ball, you would use pmount to do it or something
[02:26] <ball> juanantonio: it's a bittorrent client?
[02:26] <ball> cody-somerville: why not just mount though?
[02:26] <cody-somerville> ball, you might ask try setting the umask option when mounting as root
[02:26] <juanantonio> Azurues is, aMule is an open eMule
[02:26] <cody-somerville> ball, because mount requires you to be the superuser.
[02:26] <ball> cody-somerville: I did that but then you told me to try as me
[02:27] <ball> :-)
[02:27] <ball> juanantonio: sorry, I don't speak that.
[02:27] <juanantonio> What do you refer to then?
[02:28] <ball> mount seems a lot harder on Linux than I'm used to.
[02:29] <juanantonio> Ball, so is it better speaking on resources saving Kubuntu or Xubuntu?
[02:29] <juanantonio> Or Ubuntu? ;)
[02:29] <XiXaQ> the thing is... I don't understand what new features in xubuntu warrants so much more memory usage? I couldn't hardly see the difference.
[02:29] <ball> juanantonio: Xubuntu is almost certainly lighter and quite probably nicer.
[02:30] <ball> XiXaQ: It comes with free cake
[02:30] <juanantonio> Can I download 8.10 or should I do start with an older version?
[02:30] <ball> I don't get it.  The device file is 777, the mountpoint is 777
[02:30] <ball> wtf?
[02:32] <ball> Oh well, I have to go anyway.
[02:32] <ball> Hopefully I'll be able to mount this thing from a Windows box at the hospital.
[02:32] <XiXaQ> ball, you don't change permissions on the device file..
[02:32] <ball> XiXaQ: what's the plan then?
[02:32] <XiXaQ> you mount the partition and _then_ set permissions on the mountpoint.
[02:32] <juanantonio> Ball, please tell me about the version of Xubuntu ;)
[02:33] <ball> XiXaQ: I don't seem to be able to do that.
[02:33] <juanantonio> and I leave you calm and easy ;)
[02:33] <XiXaQ> juanantonio, xubuntu 8.10 is alot heavier than 8.04, but 8.04 is good for computers with less resources.
[02:33] <ball> juanantonio: I don't know much about it, I've only been using it a few days.  I have to go and visit my daughter in hospital though.
[02:33] <juanantonio> Thank you a lot and have the best time you can, ok?
[02:34] <XiXaQ> ball, vfat doesn't support file permissions though.
[02:34] <ball> XiXaQ: good point.
[02:34] <dcolish> XiXaQ, have you tried top to identify what process is taking up so much memory usage?
[02:35] <ball> XiXaQ: any idea how to make it world-writable then?
[02:35] <XiXaQ> dcolish, most of the processes belong to xfce.
[02:36] <dcolish> there is no xfce user
[02:36] <XiXaQ> dcolish, you know, when you only have 128MB RAM, a little increase in mem usage has a big impact on performance, since you begin to swap much more frequently.
[02:36] <dcolish> sure, and i'm trying to help you
[02:36] <XiXaQ> dcolish, that's not what I meant.
[02:36] <XiXaQ> the processes are named xfce-blabla.
[02:37] <XiXaQ> the laptop I upgraded to intrepid yesterday is ok, because it can be upgraded and will be, but I have others which cannot.
[02:37] <dcolish> are you using a lot of panel objects?
[02:38] <XiXaQ> only the standard ones.
[02:38] <dcolish> try running pstree
[02:38] <dcolish> maybe you need to cut back on some objects
[02:38] <XiXaQ> such as?
[02:38] <ball> I'm off to visit fork anyway.
[02:38] <dcolish> i dont know what you're running
[02:38] <XiXaQ> standard xubuntu.
[02:38] <XiXaQ> I haven't added or removed anything.
[02:39] <dcolish> just run pstree and see whats listed there.
[02:39] <XiXaQ> standard xubuntu hardy runs nicely. Standard xubuntu intrepid is very slow.
[02:39] <dcolish> also try top
[02:40] <solotim> I hate intrepid xubuntu!!!!!
[02:42] <dcolish> XiXaQ, for extremely low memory systems you should read this wiki http://linux-mm.org/
[02:43] <XiXaQ> heh, dcolish, the nipple has stopped working since yesterday, and I haven't touched the computer since then,.
[02:44] <dcolish> XiXaQ, not quite sure what you mean by that?
[02:45] <dcolish> XiXaQ, here is an interesting article on memory management as well http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/2770
[02:45] <XiXaQ> you know.. A pointing device? I wasn't able to use it now. When I restarted gdm, though, it started working again..
[02:46] <dcolish> ah, the thingie, thats what i've heard it called. Check out your /var/log/Xorg.0.log for anything mouse related
[02:46] <dcolish> also dmesg can be helpful, but chances are its xserver related if you can detect it at all
[02:49] <dcolish> XiXaQ, for memory see how often your system is swapping out memory, vmstat 1 100. if that swap number changes a lot thats what is slowing you down
[02:50] <XiXaQ> yes, it's swapping _heavily_. The harddisk sounds like I'm formatting it or something.
[02:51] <dcolish> ok, thats a start, you say there is only 128M of ram eh? even xfce might be too heavy for that
[02:51] <dcolish> without xserver how is the system?
[02:52] <XiXaQ> nice..
[02:52] <XiXaQ> I've disabled all update notifications, but it's still running and using 11% or the memory.
[02:52] <XiXaQ> 12% even.
[02:53] <XiXaQ> how do I disable stuff like gnome-power-manager, gnome-screensaver, etc?
[02:53] <dcolish> can you pastebin your top, free, vmstat 1 100 output and pstree?
[02:53] <dcolish> you can just remove it, i dont think that hurts anything
[02:54] <XiXaQ> how?
[02:54] <dcolish> but lets look at whats really going on for now
[02:54] <dcolish> those might not be the applications that are causing the problems
[02:55] <XiXaQ> the problem is the wild swapping.
[02:55] <dcolish> pls provide the output from top, pstree, vmstat 1 100 and free
[02:55] <dcolish> in a pastebin lnik
[02:56] <eca> is there a easy way to upgrade to 8.10 without downloading 600+ megs. just install the essentials?
[02:56] <dcolish> i'm working blind otherwise
[02:57] <alexis> Bon matin!
[02:57] <XiXaQ> dcolish, I don't exactly know how to do that. If I don't do anything, then it doesn't swap until I move the mouse, a window, or something like that.
[02:58] <dcolish> XiXaQ, my bad, pop open a terminal and run pstree, then put that into a pastebin? !pastebin
[02:58] <dcolish> !pastebin
[02:58] <XiXaQ> pstree is ok, but vmstat 1 100 keeps running and the values won't make much sense if I don't do anything?
[02:59] <dcolish> press control c to stop vmstat
[02:59] <dcolish> fyi, control c stops an active process in the terminal
[03:00] <XiXaQ> I know.. You're missing the point.
[03:00] <XiXaQ> I don't know how to capture it just when it's swapping wildly. If I stop doing things and just run vmstat, then no swap occurs.
[03:01] <dcolish> then run vmstat then move some windows around and check the swap #'s. you can let vmstat run for a bit, it won't hurt the system
[03:03] <XiXaQ> that didn't look very nice: http://www.rafb.net/p/xa2a6K59.html
[03:04] <dcolish> yeah the characters got messed with during the paste. no worries
[03:04] <XiXaQ> http://paste.ubuntu.com/57087
[03:05] <XiXaQ> http://paste.ubuntu.com/67087
[03:05] <dcolish> so my first suggestion is to use wicd rather than network-manager for wireless config.
[03:06] <XiXaQ> ok? Does that handle wpa well?
[03:07] <dcolish> it works well for me
[03:07] <dcolish> everyone i've recommended to likes it
[03:07] <XiXaQ> where do I get that, is it in the repositories?
[03:08] <dcolish> http://wicd.sourceforge.net/download.php
[03:08] <dcolish>  just replace hardy with intrepid
[03:09] <XiXaQ> and this is alot less resource demanding?
[03:09] <dcolish> yes
[03:10] <dcolish> its a small python app and requires no gnome code to run
[03:14] <Bumphead_> how do i output from my notebook to my tv with a vga cable?
[03:16] <XiXaQ> dcolish, but network manager seems to use very little memory. gnome-screensaver uses alot more. so does the power manager.
[03:16] <dcolish> do you use suspend?
[03:16] <XiXaQ> oh, but then there is nm-applet..
[03:16] <XiXaQ> no, never.
[03:17] <dcolish> you might not be unhappy without gnome-pm
[03:17] <XiXaQ> don't need screensaver og power manager either, because this laptop has to be plugged in.
[03:17] <Bumphead_> bbr
[03:17] <Bumphead_> erm, brb too
[03:17] <dcolish> then pull'em
[03:17] <XiXaQ> how?
[03:18] <XiXaQ> you mean uninstall?
[03:18] <dcolish> sudo apt-get remove <your tormentor of choice>. Just be very careful to review exactly what is being removed. You only want to pull those packages
[03:18] <dcolish> yeah
[03:19] <XiXaQ> isn't there a way to simply stop them from starting at logon?
[03:21] <dcolish> probably, give me a minute
[03:21] <crapo_jaune> How do i update from 8.04 to 8.10?
[03:21] <crapo_jaune> Just change repesorities?
[03:22] <crapo_jaune> repositories i mean?
[03:22] <dcolish> crapo_jaune, update-manager -d
[03:23] <crapo_jaune> Ah! Thank you dcolish
[03:28] <dcolish> XiXaQ, you should be able to easily disable via Xfce menu -> settings manager -> autostarted apps. just uncheck the box and restart
[03:29] <dcolish> you can also disable gnome-screensaver there
[03:30] <zerothis> I'd like to make our organization's computers act enough like other operating systems that volunteers are not scared away from operating them. Similar look, same shortcut keys, menu layout, similar names for it all ("Stuff" menu instead of Start Menu, Contortion Panel, Finger instead of Finder, etc). I know how to do all that, but, can I then setup several "new user profiles", one themed mac, one themed XP, one themed vista. T
[03:31] <dcolish> XiXaQ, also try commenting out "DPMS" in your xorg under the monitor section if it exists.
[03:32] <zerothis> setup several "new user profiles", one themed mac, one themed XP, one themed vista. Then when a new user is created, easily select one; ideally the new user would select it?
[03:34] <dcolish> zerothis, each user home folder can have a .themes folder that contains the new theme. maybe you can make that work?
[03:37] <zerothis> does/can the .themes contain _everything_? hotkeys, wallpaper, display manager, panel layouts, names of menu items, ?
[03:38] <dcolish> zerothis, http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/install_new_themes
[03:42] <Fluidz> >	hi everybody
[03:42] <Fluidz> im trying to install xubuntu alternative hardy heron on a 700mhz, 64mb ram system
[03:42] <Fluidz> however its hanging on the screen after it asks u to click continue to partition.
[03:43] <Fluidz> all im seeing is a blue screen.. the keyboard works.. text appears at the bottom.. but theres no loading.. or nothing happening..
[03:43] <Fluidz> tried 3 different downloads of the same file
[03:43] <Fluidz> what could it be?
[03:43] <Fluidz> anyone? cheers in advance
[03:44] <Fluidz> the install is a clean install
[03:44] <Fluidz> it keeps on hanging.. i've tried a cd check.. works fine
[03:44] <gaurdro> hanging where_
[03:46] <Fluidz> the part where it reads the drives.. after that it says click continue for partitioning.. maybe worded slightly different.. i'm just booting up now so that i can print the msg to u :)
[03:46] <Fluidz> after i click continue.. then the screen goes blank.. blue.. the keyboard can be used.. but just to write.. theres no options..
[03:46] <Fluidz> 2 secs
[03:47] <Fluidz> will get the msg ;)
[03:49] <Fluidz> ok
[03:49] <Fluidz> detecting disks and all other hardware.. it gets to 100% then..
[03:49] <Fluidz> [!!] partition disks ??? ???
[03:50] <Fluidz> appears
[03:50] <Fluidz> with CONTINUE .. GO BACK
[03:50] <Fluidz> if i click either
[03:50] <Fluidz> the screen turns blue
[03:50] <zerothis> dcolish: yes, that handles the looks quite nicely. But the behaviors, hotkeys, names and layouts of menus?
[03:50] <Fluidz> no text
[03:50] <Fluidz> :S
[03:51] <dcolish> do you have xfce?
[03:51] <Fluidz> guardro, any ideas bud?
[03:51] <Fluidz> dcolish, is that question aimed at me ?
[03:52] <dcolish> no zerothis, forgot to put the name in there
[03:52] <Fluidz> lol ok
[03:52] <Fluidz> can anybody suggest any ides which may help me get over this obstacle?
[03:52] <Fluidz> please
[03:53] <gaurdro> hmm,  my first suggestion would be to make sure you're burning the disk at it's lowest possible speed.  just because it passes integrity check when it's being read slowly doesn't mean it does when it's reading it fast and intermittently like during an install.
[03:53] <Fluidz> yeh burned it ar 12x
[03:53] <Fluidz> at 12x
[03:53] <Fluidz> rather than 48x
[03:54] <zerothis> Fluidz: WARNING, this assumes you don't want to keep any info on the drive already, don't do this if you're dual booting or keeping some part of the drive for a different purpose. it's a partition problem. Try formating one big ext2 partition first. THis will completely ERASE THE DRIVE. after its done, go back and use the guided partition.
[03:54] <Fluidz> cool
[03:55] <Fluidz> zerothis, will the installation continue if theres a ext2 partition?
[03:55] <Fluidz> i mean theres windows xp on there, using fat32
[03:55] <Fluidz> i want to remove everything
[03:55] <moontiger> hi :)
[03:55] <dcolish> zerothis, the reason i ask is there is a file under .themes/<username>/xfwm4/keythemerc that keeps key bindings
[03:56] <Fluidz> zerothis, is there a way of formatting using the xubuntu alternative cd?
[03:56] <moontiger> i have a question about webcam support if thats ok
[03:56] <dcolish> !hi | moontiger
[03:56] <zerothis> maybe, this solution worked for me once. the guided partition was not likeing the windows on the drive I guess. So I erased it all then used guided
[03:56] <moontiger> :)
[03:56] <gaurdro> Fluidz, can you burn it any slower say 4x or 1x?
[03:56] <Fluidz> lol for sure yeah.. but darn.. ive just burned my last 2 cds.. ive a cdrw here though
[03:56] <Fluidz> would that be adequate at 1x?
[03:57] <gaurdro> yea, that'll definitely burn very slowly.  so it'd work
[03:57] <Fluidz> u think it may be the burn?  how about zerothis's assumption?
[03:58] <moontiger> 8.10 is supposed to have better webcam support i have read
[03:58] <moontiger> but i plugged my webcam into my 8.04 laptop and it works pretty well under skype
[03:58] <moontiger> but under 8.10 it doesnt even register
[03:58] <moontiger> anybody know anything about this kind of thing?
[03:59] <Fluidz> guardro, i dont want to waste the time of burning at 1x if its the file system which is the prob m8
[03:59] <gaurdro> well, it's not getting to the point of writing a filesystem so that isn't the issue.
[04:00] <Fluidz> lol yeah true
[04:00] <Fluidz> i thought that as much
[04:00] <Fluidz> theres no activity on the hd when i click continue
[04:00] <gaurdro> Fluidz, if you can burn it at 4x or 8x and try that.  It might also be your cd drive is dirty or beginning to fail
[04:00] <Fluidz> its a friends pc.. the cd rom is really old for sure
[04:01] <Fluidz> but when doing the integrety check, it flew with flying colours
[04:01] <Fluidz> ill try ur suggestion m8.. nothing to lost
[04:01] <Fluidz> will let u know how it turns out
[04:06] <Fluidz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=469220
[04:06] <Fluidz> guardro, please check that link
[04:07] <Fluidz> apaprently 64mb isnt enough for xubuntu.. as quoted on that page.  Before downloading i'm sure it said that 64mb was adequate for alternative.
[04:08] <zerothis> dcolish: the .themes seems like a big piece of the puzzle, thanks
[04:09] <gaurdro> 64 does seem rather low,  i'd look into dsl or puppy linux for that amount of ram
[04:09] <Fluidz> ok mate, which ones the better?
[04:10] <Fluidz> for firefox and apps included..
[04:10] <Fluidz> for example word apps.. mp3s also ?
[04:11] <dcolish> zerothis, np, good luck with that. If you come up with a good solution consider contributing to the wiki. I'm sure other people would like to be able to offer that feature too
[04:11] <gaurdro> I've not had much experience with either to be honest,  i've had more experience with dsl but it's usually for utilitarian systems.
[04:11] <Fluidz> ok cheers
[04:11] <Fluidz> will try puppy linux
[04:18] <zerothis> dcolish: I'll keep a journal :)
[04:55] <Tidirium> hello!
[04:57] <efpc2003> hi
[05:01] <Tidirium> I have little trouble to start my install process of the cd-version from my usb-stick
[05:02] <Tidirium> the installer says that no cd-drive found.. sure by netbook haven't one :)
[05:03] <Tidirium> but how can I set the usb-stick as install source..
[05:03] <Tidirium> ups.. not by .. my netbook.. soory :)
[05:03] <efpc2003> Tidirium: you want to install from usb?
[05:03] <Tidirium> yes - usb-stick
[05:04] <efpc2003> lets search at ubuntu forums....
[05:05] <Tidirium> :)
[05:05] <Tidirium> kk
[05:07] <efpc2003> wow too many people/too much people have that problem
[05:09] <Tidirium> most entries handle an installation "to" an usb stick..
[05:09] <Tidirium> a usb
[05:09] <Tidirium> oh men.. to early in the morning here.. :/
[05:09] <efpc2003> you say: a pendrive
[05:10] <Tidirium> yep
[05:12] <Tidirium> ah.. I see a article that describe to mount the stick to /cdrom .. that is what I have try to do..
[05:13] <Tidirium> lets try again..
[05:15] <Tidirium> mount /dev/sdb1 /cdrom failed: invalid argument
[05:15] <Tidirium> with the -t ext2 (my stick is formatted with this) .. no such device.. :/
[05:16] <gaurdro> mount -t cdromfs /dev/sdb1 /media/cdrom?
[05:16] <Tidirium> no way
[05:16] <Tidirium> no such device..
[05:17] <Tidirium> #/proc/partitions says there is /dev/sdb1
[05:17] <Tidirium> hmm
[05:18] <Tidirium> uhh.. no fdisk found.. :/
[05:20] <Tidirium> ahh.. there is no kernel module to use ext2..
[05:20] <Tidirium> that will not work.. ;)
[05:21] <Tidirium> ahh.. ok.. there are only m$ and isofs driver.. so I can't access the stick..
[05:22] <Tidirium> grr.. first I must fix this..
[05:23] <Tidirium> thx anyway
[05:50] <yesitisjustme> sudenly lost audio has but was working fine before this happen to anyone?
[06:41] <nikolam> hi
[06:42] <nikolam> what (ah) sould I do to stop updatedb.mlocat killing my productivity?
[06:42] <nikolam> it started and it is killing me every time it starts
[06:42] <zoredache> uninstall it
[06:43] <nikolam> what?
[06:43] <nikolam> isn`t it a part of the system?
[06:44] <nikolam> it starts like, once a day or so
[06:44] <nikolam> so it didn`t bother me before
[06:44] <nikolam> it is niced to 10
[06:44] <nikolam> but since it it disk-intensive, i don`t think it helps a lot
[06:46] <zoredache> you can uninstall it, it isn't required.  I like it, but if you aren't regularly using the 'locate' command then it probably isn't doing anything useful for you
[06:46] <zoredache> what time is it starting?  Another choice might be to simply reschedule it to a different time
[06:52] <nikolam> zoredache, My thinking exactly
[06:53] <nikolam> Only problem is to find a time when I am Not beside computer or something..
[06:55] <zoredache> is the computer always on?  If so, just pick a time when you are asleep
[06:58] <nikolam> zoredache, That is exactly what cant be determined with enough precision ;)
[06:58] <favro> I removed it from cron and updatedb manually
[07:00] <nikolam> hmm, nothing on crontab..
[07:00] <favro> I think it was in cron daily - obviously I can't find anymore
[07:01] <nikolam> Basically, I would like to make it less-intrusive. like Seti boinc client does.. i don`t even feel that boinc is running
[07:06] <zoredache> perhaps move slocate from /etc/cron.daily to /etc/cron.weekly.  If you need it more often, manually trigger it?
[07:22] <nikolam> zoredache, hmm, there is ionice priority set to 2(best effort) in that script
[07:22] <nikolam> I will change it to 3 (idle) I think that will do it.
[07:23] <nikolam> process nice is 10, i think i would leave it that way
[08:16] <Necrosan> xubuntu intrepid ps3 build crashing at 6% in install
[08:20] <Moe> cody-somerville: Maybe we should take this here?
[08:20] <cody-somerville> Moe, sure
[08:20] <Moe> Ok
[08:20] <cody-somerville> Moe, or even #xubuntu-devel might be more appropriate
[08:20] <Moe> right
[08:23] <Bumphead> why does pidgin automatically start when i login to my desktop?
[08:24] <Bumphead> or better yet, how can i disable that?
[08:26] <favro> is it in autostarted apps?
[08:27] <Bumphead> where do i find that?
[08:27] <Bumphead> i already checked sessions
[08:27] <favro> applications-settings-settings manager
[08:28] <Bumphead> it's not in there
[08:29] <favro> hmm
[08:30] <favro> you could remove ~./cache/sessions and logout/login as a check
[08:30] <favro> that should be ~/.cache/sessions
[08:32] <Bumphead> can i delete everything in there?
[08:32] <cody-somerville> yes
[08:32] <Bumphead> sweet. thanks
[08:33] <Bumphead> guess i'll see if it works
[08:33] <Bumphead> brb
[08:35] <Bumphead> sweet. thanks favro
[08:35] <Bumphead> time for bed
[08:36] <favro> np
[08:36] <favro> thanks cody-somerville too
[09:09] <xnv> New to Xubuntu... how do I take a screenshot? Print Screen key combo doesn't work, but I can't find the right keyboard layout in the settings.
[09:11] <cody-somerville> Right click panel, click add new item
[09:11] <cody-somerville> Add the screenshot applet
[09:11] <xnv> cody-somerville: I need to be able to take a screenshot from a fullscreen app
[09:13] <cody-somerville> xnv, then you'll need to configure a keybinding
[09:13] <favro> the gimp has an option for that - you can add a delay and change workspaces
[09:16] <iMax> if anyone is interested: the nvidia beta legacy driver seem to work ok in 8.10, so they should be available soon I guess :)
[09:16] <iMax> seems
[09:28] <kriplmaster> hello
[09:29] <kriplmaster> anzone here?
[09:29] <knome> no, we're all just lurking
[09:29] <knome> ;)
[09:29] <favro> heh knome :)
[09:30] <favro> hey that was meant to be :)
[09:30] <knome> hehe, hallo favro
[09:31] <kriplmaster> can i axe you a question?
[09:31] <favro> sure
[09:31] <kriplmaster> oke ive xubuntu running on virtual box
[09:31] <kriplmaster> i dowwnloaded firefox 3
[09:32] <kriplmaster> but it wont start it
[09:32] <kriplmaster> if i open  default firefox its veriosn is 2.0.3
[09:32] <kriplmaster> and i cant update it
[09:32] <kriplmaster> any ideas?
[09:33] <favro> what does   which firefox   return?
[09:33] <favro> in terminal
[09:34] <kriplmaster> th old one
[09:35] <kriplmaster> the 2.0.3 version
[09:35] <kriplmaster> no no no
[09:35] <kriplmaster> sorry it does not
[09:35] <kriplmaster> if i start firefox in terminal
[09:35] <kriplmaster> it says 3.0.3 on the termnial
[09:36] <favro> try  sudo apt-get remove firefox-2
[09:37] <favro> you're not using 8.10 kriplmaster ?
[09:37] <kriplmaster> no i dont think so
[09:37] <kriplmaster> its an old iso i had
[09:37] <favro> !version
[09:39] <favro> did   sudo apt-get remove firefox-2   return anything?
[09:39] <kriplmaster> ubuntu 7.04
[09:40] <kriplmaster> favro: asked for passowr
[09:40] <kriplmaster> coulnt find package firefox 2
[09:41] <favro> sudo anything   always will - enter your login password and what happens next?
[09:41] <favro> k
[09:41] <kriplmaster> i guess directory (library) has different name
[09:41] <favro> try   dpkg -l | grep firefox   it "should" list two of them
[09:43] <kriplmaster> ii firefox <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:43] <kriplmaster> ii grep 2.5.1.ds2
[09:43] <kriplmaster> thats all
[09:44] <favro> ok - how did you install firefox3?
[09:44] <kriplmaster> from mozilla page. dled then unpacked it
[09:45] <kriplmaster> not with commands like lynx etc eetc
[09:46] <favro> so firefox3 is in your home folder maybe? - where did you d/load it to?
[09:46] <kriplmaster> its on desktop
[09:47] <favro> to use it you need to type in terminal   ~/Desktop/firefox   - check in your home folder if that is the right path
[09:49] <favro> I can't remember if feisty called it Desktop or .desktop
[09:49] <favro> feisty= 7.04
[09:50] <favro> prob not .desktop
[09:50] <PsynoKhi0> coud it be that feisty lacks some deps?
[09:50] <PsynoKhi0> for ff3
[09:50] <kriplmaster> no suchh file
[09:50] <favro> more then likely...
[09:51] <PsynoKhi0> btw kriplmaster 7.04 isn't supported I think
[09:51] <PsynoKhi0> not anymore, I mean
[09:51] <kriplmaster> i copy/pasted the command u gave me plus path and names from file manager
[09:51] <kriplmaster> oh i see
[09:51] <favro> kriplmaster: open your file browser and look for a folder called desktop
[09:51] <kriplmaster> favro: ok im in
[09:51] <knome> PsynoKhi0, not *officially* supported, but *favrolly* supported, yes ;)
[09:52] <PsynoKhi0> knome: like I care about semantics! :P
[09:52] <favro> kriplmaster: is it desktop or Desktop - caps matter
[09:53] <favro> semantics ^
[09:53] <kriplmaster> its ok i think im gonna update the whole OS with embeded update manager
[09:53] <kriplmaster> Desktop capital d
[09:53] <favro> good move there kriplmaster
[09:53] <knome> hehe
[09:53] <kriplmaster> talking about semantics ...
[09:53] <favro> kriplmaster: is there a firefox file in there?
[09:53] <PsynoKhi0> kriplmaster: erm I would rather backup stuff and go for a CD install :)
[09:54] <kriplmaster> its ok psyno im using virtual box
[09:54] <kriplmaster> im learning the os
[09:54] <PsynoKhi0> ok
[09:54] <favro> gutsy - the next one - isn't supported anymore so it's a fresh install afaik
[09:54] <kriplmaster> favro: yes its firefox-3.0.3
[09:54] <PsynoKhi0> one thing I've learned myself is that web update still pretty much is like the RUssian roulette... except only one barrel is empty, if you see what I mean ;)
[09:54] <kriplmaster> and xchat-2.8.6 (not working either)
[09:55] <favro> so in terminal ~/Desktop/firefox-3.0.3   if that is it's name
[09:55] <kriplmaster> russian rullet ^ -1
[09:55] <kriplmaster> yes
[09:55] <favro> try it then in terminal
[09:55] <PsynoKhi0> favro: gutsy support should go till april 2009 shouldn't it?
[09:56] <favro> gutsy isn't lts
[09:56] <kriplmaster> oke
[09:56] <favro> !gutsy
[09:56] <kriplmaster> its says is a directory
[09:56] <knome> gutsy is supported until april 2009.
[09:57] <favro> kriplmaster: in that folder is the executable - try   ~/Desktop/firefox-3.0.3 /firefox   maybe
[09:57] <favro> it is ...well there you go
[09:57] <kriplmaster> like nothing happened
[09:58] <kriplmaster> i cant execute the firefox file in file manager nor manually in terminal
[09:58] <favro> kriplmaster: I/m a long way away - browse in the ~/Desktop/firefox-3.0.3 folder for the executable name
[09:58] <favro> ohh
[10:00] <favro> kriplmaster: any errors in terminal when you try ?
[10:00] <kriplmaster> erm not really i guess it just skips and jumps to new command line
[10:00] <kriplmaster> as if nothing happened
[10:01] <kriplmaster> blank command line
[10:02] <PsynoKhi0> how's flashplayer 10 on hardy?
[10:02] <kriplmaster> its ok favro tnx for effort
[10:02] <PsynoKhi0> better than the 9 from the repo?
[10:02] <kriplmaster> im gonna download new xubuntu iso and take it from there
[10:02] <favro> sorry then krip
[10:02] <kriplmaster> no worries
[10:05] <kriplmaster> any differnce between 8.04 and 8.10?
[10:05] <PsynoKhi0> when installing openoffice 3 on hardy , should I remove 2.4.1 first? if I remember correctly, writer had some deps with locale files
[10:05] <PsynoKhi0> kriplmaster: 8.04 is Long Term Support, 8.10 has more recent packages
[10:08] <kriplmaster> good news everyone it says if using 7.04 or higher i can use update manager
[10:09] <kriplmaster> riding the russian roulette i gues ...
[10:09] <favro> update-manager -d I think is the way
[10:09] <kriplmaster> not found
[10:10] <favro> "I think"
[10:10] <kriplmaster> semantics ...
[10:10] <kriplmaster> :P
[10:10] <favro> hehe
[10:10] <favro> !upgrade
[10:11] <kriplmaster> !help
[10:12] <favro> I should have typed earlier
[10:12] <favro> !feisty
[10:12] <knome> hmm...
[10:13] <knome> the xubuntu page at wiki is wrong
[10:13] <knome> or that factoid is wrong
[10:13] <favro> 18 months for non lts
[10:13] <MaxFrames> hello. I am using Xubuntu 8.10. How do I know if I'm using a proprietary driver for my VGA card (Intel 82815), and if so which version, and if not how do I install it?
[10:14] <TheSheep> MaxFrames: system->hardware drivers
[10:15] <MaxFrames> OK. It says no proprietary driver is in use on my system. So how do I look for a driver and install it? Intel website or other?
[10:16] <TheSheep> MaxFrames: it would list drivers that are possible to use if they were needded
[10:17] <MaxFrames> so that means that there is no proprietary driver available for my hardware?
[10:18] <TheSheep> it means there isn o proprietary driver needed fro your hardware
[10:19] <MaxFrames> "needed"=?
[10:19] <MaxFrames> there seem to be no acceleration with the default driver so I'd like to see if a proprietary Intel driver improves the situation
[10:19] <MaxFrames> (for example I have stuttering in YouTube)
[10:19] <favro> MaxFrames: what does   lsmod | grep intel    return? - there might be options available in man "module name" you're not using
[10:20] <vussvillem> Hello everybody! Can someone. please, point me a direction where to look in order to find out what Xubuntu specific "thing" is running over, ruining if you please, the Xfce xfdesktop package doing its thing at boot up?
[10:20] <cody-somerville> :S
[10:21] <MaxFrames> that command's output is somehow greek to me :P
[10:21] <vussvillem> I've filed a bug on that https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/275747
[10:21] <favro> MaxFrames: copy/paste to terminal
[10:22] <MaxFrames> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/67238
[10:22] <favro> MaxFrames: | grep means filter the output and look fo lines with the following word in them
[10:22] <favro> *for
[10:22] <MaxFrames> yes, that I know :)
[10:22] <favro> k
[10:23] <MaxFrames> so I have intel_agp and agpgart
[10:24] <MaxFrames> there seem to be a driver from Intel: http://downloadcenter.intel.com/filter_results.aspx?strTypes=all&ProductID=797&OSFullName=Linux*&lang=eng&strOSs=39&submit=Go%21
[10:24] <favro> no man page for it here tho
[10:24] <nikolam> kriplmaster, I think you should update 7.04 to 7.10 first, before going to 8.04 update
[10:25] <TheSheep> MaxFrames: it's for distributions that didn't include it out-of-the-box
[10:26] <MaxFrames> the OS runs very well and fast on my system (PIII 733, 128 MB RAM) except for videos which are stuttering
[10:27] <favro> vussvillem: can you rephrase you're question?
[10:27] <TheSheep> MaxFrames: from thier release notes: When installing Linux on a new system, you should always check the supported hardware list
[10:27] <TheSheep> included with the Linux distribution. New Linux distributions may include out of the box support for
[10:27] <TheSheep> the chipset you are using. In that case, the installation instructions and software provided with the
[10:27] <TheSheep> distribution should be used. The software and instructions described here are to be used as a
[10:27] <TheSheep> reference for adding support for Intel® 810 and 815 chipsets to distributions that do not already
[10:27] <TheSheep> support these chipsets, or for developers of Linux products.
[10:27] <TheSheep> oops, sorry, didn't think it was so much
[10:27] <favro> it was interesting reading
[10:30] <favro> the intel 810/815 chips are pretty basic
[10:31] <powercord> hello everyone! somebody pls help me install xubuntu on mac mini g5
[10:32] <favro> powercord: is that ppc?
[10:32] <favro> or intel based?
[10:32] <MaxFrames> g5 should be ppc
[10:33] <MaxFrames> or am i losing sumthin'? :P
[10:33] <favro> so #ubuntu-ppc maybe?
[10:34] <powercord> yes its a ppc, i got the alt cd 8.10 download, i was also able to boot from it. the problem is during cd-detect, i can find /dev/cdrom
[10:34] <favro> all I know is macs are overpriced...
[10:34] <favro> powercord: that seems to be a common issue - try the folks that know in #ubuntu-ppc is my recommendation
[10:35] <powercord> is that channel answers xubuntu as well?
[10:35] <powercord> thanks
[10:35] <favro> it should
[10:36] <vussvillem> favro: what do I have to do to find out, what is running in the boot up that would have something to do with xfce desktop?
[10:36] <powercord> thanks
[10:36] <PsynoKhi0> when installing openoffice 3 on hardy , should I remove 2.4.1 first? if I remember correctly, writer had some deps with language files
[10:36] <vussvillem> favro: with xfce desktop backdrop that is
[10:37] <favro> vussvillem: that would be an X issue afaik - what is not happening/happening to give you issues?
[10:40] <vussvillem> favro: when I boot up my computer and log into Xfce, my customized desktop background is in the left upper part (about 4/5) covered with Xubuntu 8.04 default backdrop picture. When I delete Xubuntu 8.04 default backdrop picture completely from my system, that 4/5 is covered with blue area:) I can resolve the problem by restarting X
[10:41] <TheSheep> vussvillem: is that an intel graphics card?
[10:41] <favro> vussvillem: TheSheep is wise :)
[10:42] <kriplmaster> great success
[10:42] <kriplmaster> my system is up to date
[10:42] <TheSheep> \o/
[10:42] <favro> kriplmaster: well done :)
[10:42] <vussvillem> TheSheep: Ati Radeon 9000
[10:44] <TheSheep> vussvillem: on my intel I had a funny issue -- the tv out of my card, which is not even available on the box, was enabled and set to resolution smaller than the default. This resulted in the system displaying two backgrounds -- one for lcd and one for tbv out, and also displayng the panels wring (for the smaller tv out)
[10:44] <TheSheep> vussvillem: disabling tv out in xorg.conf helped
[10:44] <TheSheep> vussvillem: does this sound familiar?
[10:48] <vussvillem> TheSheep: You're genious! I do have tv out enabled in xorg.conf. Furthermore, I was not absolutely sure, but I kind of a remembered that I did not have that issue at some time in the past, it can be about at the time when I hadn't had edited the xorg.conf for tv-out!
[10:51] <kriplmaster> meh
[10:52] <kriplmaster> if i type lsb_release it still says 7.04 feisty
[10:52] <kriplmaster> i guess i still have the same version only updated one
[10:55] <favro> how did you update?
[10:56] <kriplmaster> clicking thru application > system > update manager
[10:56] <favro> oops - upgrade
[10:56] <kriplmaster> yea
[10:56] <kriplmaster> damn semantics
[10:56] <aLeSD_> hi all
[10:56] <kriplmaster> upgrade =! update
[10:56] <aLeSD_> what about the new 8.10 and eeepc 701 ?
[10:57] <aLeSD_> is it better the 8.04 ?
[10:57] <favro> maybe try in #eeepc ?
[11:00] <aLeSD_> ok
[11:03] <aLeSD_> mmm
[11:04] <aLeSD_> a general question: where I could find the utility to burn a xubuntu image in the menu ?
[11:05] <TheSheep> aLeSD_: multimedia->brasero disc burning
[11:06] <TheSheep> aLeSD_: you should also see the option whe you right-click on the .iso file
[11:07] <aLeSD_> thnaks
[11:15] <aLeSD_> TheSheep: I mean to burn xubuntu on an USBdrive
[11:17] <TheSheep> !install | aLeSD_
[11:17] <TheSheep> aLeSD_: there should be some howto
[11:17] <aLeSD_> thanks
[12:06] <nunu> Hi, I'm having problems with the automount with dvd and cdrom devices. I can't even mount them manually :/ can anyone give me some hints? (Installed xubuntu-alternate and need to get it working for a total n00b =) )
[12:07] <nunu> I already figured a way to get the usb devices of my friend to automount, but the cd and dvd devices refuse to listen to me =)
[12:08] <PsynoKhi0> nunu: what did you do to try and mount them manually?
[12:09] <nunu> mount /dev/cdrom (tried it with /dev/dvd and /dev/sr0 or so) /mnt/
[12:09] <favro> does the cd/dvd show in    sudo lshw   ?
[12:09] <nunu> yes
[12:09] <PsynoKhi0> nunu: mount as root? or with sudo in front?
[12:09] <nunu> as sr0 or so I think,.. sry I have no access to the pc atm
[12:10] <nunu> I did it with sudo
[12:10] <nunu> tried
[12:10] <PsynoKhi0> ok
[12:10] <PsynoKhi0> what cd was in the drive  when you tried?
[12:10] <nunu> a video dvd
[12:11] <PsynoKhi0> hmm
[12:11] <nunu> tried an audio cd aswell
[12:11] <PsynoKhi0> and a data cd?
[12:12] <nunu> had none with be yesterday, I'll try that later
[12:12] <PsynoKhi0> the alternate cd would do :)
[12:12] <nunu> damn ^^
[12:12] <PsynoKhi0> might only be the autplay that doesn't kick in
[12:12] <PsynoKhi0> autoplay*
[12:12] <nunu> didn't think about that :D
[12:12] <PsynoKhi0> :P
[12:13] <nunu> the autoplay ...
[12:13] <PsynoKhi0> for your audio and video disks
[12:13] <nunu> is that hal somehow ?
[12:14] <PsynoKhi0> did you try to play the audio CD from e.g. totem?
[12:14] <nunu> yes thats what I'm trying to get to work .. so where could I start my search for getting that to work ?
[12:14] <nunu> I tried yes, but I'm not quite used to totem
[12:14] <PsynoKhi0> VLC?
[12:15] <nunu> I'm gonna do it with ripperX today
[12:15] <nunu> vlc is not installed by default is it ?
[12:15] <PsynoKhi0> nope
[12:16] <nunu> so you can't think of some kind of deamon thats not started or so ?
[12:16] <PsynoKhi0> but VLC and Mplayer are 2 apps I usually install at once on fresh ubuntus, coz you get lotsa codecs along
[12:16] <PsynoKhi0> that and xubuntu-restricted-extras
[12:16] <PsynoKhi0> if yu don't have them then your dvd will most probably not play no matter what
[12:17] <nunu> if I ain't got the extras ? or the codecs ?
[12:17] <PsynoKhi0> because of (I think) licensing issues, DVD playback cannot ship with ubuntu cds
[12:17] <PsynoKhi0> nunu: most extras
[12:17] <favro> !codecs
[12:17] <PsynoKhi0> mostly*
[12:18] <PsynoKhi0> nunu: so my first guess would be to get updated on that front
[12:18] <PsynoKhi0> and start from there
[12:18] <nunu> but it diddn't seem to be a codec problem .. because that video dvd din't even mount (its more a data dvd than a video dvd a think...)
[12:18] <nunu> ok thx
[12:18] <PsynoKhi0> gah make up your mind! :D
[12:19] <favro> it "might" be the h/ware
[12:20] <nunu> And there is another little thing I wanted to ask. my friend told me that his mouse did weird stuff by itself, are there any remote control deamons active by default ?
[12:20] <nunu> the hardware seemed to be ok ... at least I could install without problems
[12:21] <favro> k
[12:22] <kriplmaster> test
[12:22] <favro> kriplmaster: fail
[12:22] <nunu> :D
[12:23] <kriplmaster> lolz
[12:23] <favro> hehe
[12:24] <nunu> great -.- now my own system refuses to play music :D that needs to be done first :D
[12:27] <kriplmaster> just get mplayer
[12:27] <kriplmaster> it plays everyhing and anything
[12:28] <nunu> no I'm sticking to mpd an gmpc
[12:28] <nunu> just for normal playback =)
[12:28] <Ben_Cs> hello
[12:28] <nunu> hi
[12:29] <favro> nunu: do you get an error playing music?
[12:29] <Ben_Cs> how do i install J2EE in xubuntu?
[12:29] <nunu> was just an mistake by updating etc =) (I use gentoo btw so don't support me :D )
[12:33] <favro> hehe :)
[12:34] <nunu> :)
[12:34] <favro> Ben_Cs: what is j2ee meant to be?
[12:35] <Ben_Cs> favro: J2EE is Java SDK Enterprise Edition.
[12:36] <favro> !java
[12:36] <favro> all I know about that
[12:39] <Ben_Cs> favro: ok but i don't know if its Standard Edition or Enterprise Edition
[12:40] <favro> Ben_Cs: and you know more about java then I do...
[12:40] <Ben_Cs> ok thanks
[12:41] <favro> sorry I can't help more
[12:41] <favro> ...
[12:41] <Ben_Cs> that's ok
[12:48] <kriplmaster> restarting brb with 7.10
[12:50] <kriplmaster> yay
[12:51] <kriplmaster> 7.10 gutsy
[12:52] <favro> :)
[13:09] <kriplmaster> meh
[13:09] <kriplmaster> still cant get ff3 to work
[13:09] <TheSheep> kriplmaster: nfs filesystem?
[13:10] <kriplmaster> sorry noob here not familiar with linux lingo (yet)
[13:10] <TheSheep> ah, then probably not
[13:10] <TheSheep> what's wrong?
[13:11] <kriplmaster> i upgraded to gutsy
[13:11] <kriplmaster> then downloaded and unpacked ff3
[13:11] <kriplmaster> when i try to execute it
[13:11] <kriplmaster> it opens the embeded version of ff
[13:11] <kriplmaster> <IP_ADDRESS>
[13:12] <TheSheep> you think they would know how to intsall it on #firefox?
[13:12] <favro> ~/.mozilla might be getting inthe way maybe
[13:13] <TheSheep> usually the 'firefox' is just a script that finds and runs 'firefox-bin'
[13:16] <kriplmaster> ok i got adblock installed succesfully
[13:37] <wormsxulla_> kriplmaster: if you installed firefox in a firefox folder, do ./firefox -profilemanager (no instance of firefox running at that time)
[13:38] <wormsxulla_> oops
[13:41] <leszek_fh> hi
[13:41] <leszek_fh> is catfish fully localized ? because i only got the close button localized here
[14:44] <oncl0ud9> hey guys, how do I remove the sessions in xubuntu?
[14:45] <cody-somerville> oncl0ud9, Sure
[14:46] <cody-somerville> oncl0ud9, Applications > Settings > Settings Manager > Sessions
[14:46] <cody-somerville> Just disable them in there
[14:46] <oncl0ud9> yeah I have it disabled there
[14:46] <oncl0ud9> but even when I reboot
[14:46] <oncl0ud9> it still loads up
[14:47] <cody-somerville> You can delete your session
[14:47] <oncl0ud9> I dont see it there
[14:48] <cody-somerville> remove ~./cache/sessions and logout/login with the "Save Sessions for future logins" unchecked.
[14:49] <oncl0ud9> do I remove that directory?
[14:49] <oncl0ud9> or do I remove the contents?
[14:50] <cody-somerville> the contents
[14:58] <zchef2k> i am having trouble setting up gfxboot on 64 bit intrepid
[15:01] <zchef2k> a bunch of non ascii stuff
[15:01] <zchef2k> i suppose thats a binary file?
[15:12] <oncl0ud9> is there a fix for the laptop ethernet card issue?
[15:50] <Snyper`> Needs some help, long story short i had a working 8.04 system and desided to upgrade to 8.10 which ended up not being able to boot past
[15:50] <Snyper`> ~ SCSI device sda: write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
[15:50] <Snyper`> some where around that
[15:50] <Snyper`> tried a 8.10 alternate cd with the same result, 8.04 alternate cd same result
[15:50] <Snyper`> i HAVE narrowed it down to my on board htp366 controler
[15:50] <oncl0ud9> I am back to version 8.04 because 8.10 I lose network connectivity
[15:51] <Snyper`> but wont weird is that i can no longer use my HDD on the controler
[15:52] <Snyper`> my old 8.04-1 desktop cd works fine.. i can test and install
[15:52] <Snyper`> but when i reboot the same result
[15:52] <Snyper`> parted live cd also had no trouble seeing the drive
[15:53] <Snyper`> if i unplug the drive from the htp366 controller and plug it into IDE1 everything works just fine
[15:54] <Snyper`> i might not have made it clear though that before i made the mistake of upgrading to 8.10 --- 8.04-1 worked just fine on the htp366 controller
[15:54] <utomega> Hey!
[15:54] <Snyper`> Hey!
[15:55] <utomega> I'm having problems with xubuntu8.10(i guess it's the stable one), I lost my taskbars
[15:55] <utomega> or you know, the two bars top and bottom one
[15:55] <Snyper`> well im sure your not the only one
[15:56] <utomega> worked fine for days, logged out(totem crashed) and then - gone.
[15:56] <utomega> Do you know how I could get them back?
[15:56] <Snyper`> in no way am i going to bash 8.10.. but there seems tobe alot of issues with it
[15:56] <utomega> :(
[15:56] <oncl0ud9> yeap u got that right
[15:57] <Snyper`> if i would have looked at the forum before upgrading.... i wouldnt have
[15:57] <utomega> I installed it even the stable one was released :(, somekind of test version
[15:58] <utomega> before*
[15:59] <Snyper`> utomega : donno if this will help but i think you can laungh the taskbar manager tool and readd them back
[16:00] <utomega> hmm, I wonder where I can find the tasbar manager tool :O? I managed to get Application menu for my mouse right-click
[16:10] <Snyper`> from the live cd it looks like xfce4-panel
[16:10] <Snyper`> also using a 9" monitor so its kind hard to see
[17:17] <pyntix> xubuntu can't find both my soundcards in my computer anymore, and i don't understand why. i'm using 6.06
[17:18] <TheSheep> anymore?
[17:19] <pyntix> yesterday, vlc, alsamixer and xfce's volume controller (the one in the panel) found it
[17:20] <pyntix> now they only find the one in the motherboard
[17:20] <TheSheep> what did you change?
[17:21] <pyntix> i installed openbox, pypanel and some more small openbox-related packages...
[17:22] <TheSheep> nothing related to kernel, sound or bios settings?
[17:23] <pyntix> hmm
[17:25] <pyntix> http://paste.ubuntu.com/67406/
[17:28] <pyntix> that's all i installed
[17:31] <TheSheep> pyntix: that's not it
[17:31] <TheSheep> pyntix: does lspci show both cards?
[17:32] <pyntix> 0000:00:07.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 20)
[17:32] <pyntix> 0000:00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 06)
[17:32] <pyntix> that's what 'lspci | grep audio' returns
[17:36] <TheSheep> pyntix: does lsmod show that you have modules for both cards loaded?
[17:36] <TheSheep> pyntix: I don't know their exact names, but should be easy to guess
[17:38] <TheSheep> btw
[17:38] <TheSheep> !audio
[17:41] <pyntix> TheSheep: i can only find one of the cards in lsmod
[17:41] <pyntix> TheSheep: not the one i want to use
[17:42] <TheSheep> pyntix: have a look in 'dmesg | less' and see if there are any errors related to your sound card
[17:44] <pyntix> wow, that's a long list... i think i found where it found the wrong soundcard
[17:51] <pyntix> TheSheep: http://paste.ubuntu.com/67419/     i found something
[17:52] <TheSheep> pyntix: yeah, no idea what that means though, I guess this is where you google
[17:53] <pyntix> ok, thanks
[18:29] <GriFF3n> Hello everyone
[18:30] <GriFF3n> I just installed xfce in ubuntu but all the text is really small. I tried going to "Systems - Preference - Appearance", but there is no Preference section. Any ideas?
[18:31] <TheSheep> system -> settings manager -> user intrafce  and change dpi
[18:31] <GriFF3n> no settings manager either sheep
[18:31] <frenzy42> does anyone here have experience with setting up VNC
[18:32] <GriFF3n> found it under settings
[18:32] <GriFF3n> thanks TheSheep!!!
[18:34] <frenzy42>  does anyone here have experience with setting up VNC
[18:34] <zoredache> !repeat | frenzy42
[18:35] <frenzy42> !patience
[18:35] <zoredache> !anyone | frenzy42
[18:36] <TheSheep> !botabuse
[18:38] <Grey_Loki_> !!
[18:38] <Grey_Loki_> Damn, I was hoping to get another amusing factoid.
[18:39] <zoredache> cowsay-#ubuntu-offtopic
[18:39] <zoredache> ah... must not work here...
[18:39] <zoredache> !vnc
[18:55] <pyntix> where does xfce's default menu save it's configuration? i've got xubuntu 6.06
[18:56] <Ben_Cs> hello
[18:58] <Ben_Cs> i have a directory for samba network mount, and after upgrading this mount disapears after several minutes after booting. the ls -la gives: d?????????  ? ?     ?          ?                ? network
[18:59] <Ben_Cs> please help!
[19:01] <Ben_Cs> upgrading to Intrepid that is
[19:14] <Ben_Cs> hello?
[19:35] <Ben_Cs> hello
[19:35] <Ben_Cs> cody here?
[19:35] <cody-somerville> Yes.
[19:36] <Ben_Cs> cody i need some serious help:
[19:36] <Ben_Cs> after upgrading to 8.10 my samba mount crashes after several seconds. trying reaccess the mount gives: Transport endpoint is not connected.    umount and running fusesmb /home/..... mounts again for several seconds and then crashes again. please help!
[19:38] <extremelyspec> DOES anyone else have a problem with xubuntu installation freezing right after the progressbar loads and only a mouse appear?
[19:38] <cody-somerville> extremelyspec, how much ram do you have?
[19:38] <extremelyspec> 1024mb
[19:39] <extremelyspec> it runs ubuntu/kubuntu 8.04 fine
[19:40] <Ben_Cs> how do i know the owner of a file?
[19:42] <extremelyspec> try to steal it and see who tries to stop you, I dont know.
[19:42] <Ben_Cs> cody-somerville: i stumbled upon this but i don't quite get the problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131&page=5&highlight=xubuntu
[19:43] <Ben_Cs> it just looks the simptomps are mostly the same
[19:45] <Ben_Cs> no help for me?
[19:46] <cody-somerville> Ben_Cs, I'm not sure what the problem would be.
[19:48] <Ben_Cs> cody-somerville: did you look at the link i gave above? the simptomps look somewhat like mine
[19:48] <Ben_Cs> and the problem is like i said above
[19:48] <Ben_Cs> .
[19:53] <Ben_Cs> nothing?
[19:56] <Ben_Cs> cody-somerville: since you're a xubuntu developer could you please comment on this post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131&highlight=xubuntu&page=14
[19:56] <Ben_Cs> ?
[19:56] <cody-somerville> Ben_Cs, I'll have to do so after work.
[19:57] <Ben_Cs> would you remember?
[20:34] <thismamacooks200> I made a package list using "dpkg --get-selections>ips" but "dpkg --set-selections<ips" isn't working
[21:27] <Ben_Cs> are there any programs new in xubuntu 8.10 that may conflict with Thunar and thus kill/brake fusesmb?
[21:28] <cody-somerville> No
[21:28] <cody-somerville> Try getting a backtrace
[21:34] <Ben_Cs> cody-somerville: i found a bug with symptomps like mine when running Thunar and fam at the same time
[21:34] <Ben_Cs> but i don't have fam installed
[21:34] <Ben_Cs> cody-somerville: i sent you an e-mail detailing the problem
[21:35] <cody-somerville> I read it
[21:37] <Ben_Cs> so not using thunar doesn't kill fusesmb connection. A Thunar issue then? Weird i didn't have it in 8.04. especially since the xfce version is the same. Leading to think that something in 8.10 went wrong?
[21:39] <Ben_Cs> Was thinking to go back to 8.04 and wait to next LTS. Or wait till you or someone will solve the problem?
[21:39] <Ben_Cs> "you" is cody-somerville.
[21:40] <cody-somerville> Ben_Cs, You
[21:40] <cody-somerville> erm
[21:40] <cody-somerville> I need more information to be able to debug.
[21:41] <Ben_Cs> cody-somerville: what do you need to know exactly?
[21:41] <cody-somerville> Ben_Cs, I need a traceback
[21:41] <Ben_Cs> cody-somerville: i'm not very advanced in linux. can you explain what kind of traceback? for just running thunar?
[21:44] <fancheta> hello?
[21:44] <TheSheep> hi fancheta
[21:46] <Ben_Cs> cody-somerville: I got it! 8.10 uses a new version of fusesmb right? So read this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=497572
[21:49] <Ben_Cs> cody-somerville: The question is why the %^&$ is ubuntu stable uses unstable fusesmb version?!
[21:51] <bluespuke> hi
[21:51] <bluespuke> someone could help me out with my usb-headset
[21:51] <bluespuke> plz?
[21:57] <bluespuke> noone?
[21:58] <TheSheep> bluespuke: you have to ask a question
[21:59] <bluespuke> i have a new usb-headset (Trust HS-4200) and it's well recognized by "cat /proc/asound/cards" but i can't cofigure my xubuntu to play sound on it...
[21:59] <bluespuke> i allready changed the device in the system manager but still nothing, sound is coming out by the speakers :(
[22:00] <floating> whats the easiest way to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 ?
[22:00] <TheSheep> bluespuke: in what app?
[22:00] <TheSheep> !upgrade | floating
[22:00] <bluespuke> rythmbox, vlc,... any app
[22:01] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: you work with cody in xubuntu?
[22:01] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: not really
[22:01] <floating> should i go on to upgrade to 8.10, as i have some warning signs appearing on topright panel often, because i have had some problems with repos for a while now
[22:01] <Ben_Cs> ok
[22:01] <bluespuke> i do't know what cody is (sry, i'm new to ubuntu since 2-3 weeks)
[22:02] <bluespuke> ok, that wasn't for me^^
[22:02] <TheSheep> bluespuke: cody-somerville is the xubuntu team leader
[22:05] <bluespuke> is there no miracle app to configure sound cards?
[22:05] <TheSheep> bluespuke: I think it's not centralized in xubuntu, each application has its own settings
[22:06] <bluespuke> can i install something to do that?
[22:06] <TheSheep> bluespuke: you could also create .asound file and define defaults tere
[22:06] <bluespuke> or should i think about switching to ubuntu?
[22:06] <TheSheep> http://alsa.opensrc.org/home/w/org/opensrc/alsa/index.php?title=.asoundrc
[22:06] <Ben_Cs> cody-somerville: till the fusesmb fixed the next package should be used instead: smbnetfs
[22:07] <bluespuke> ty TheSheep
[22:15] <bluespuke> ok, now i have my headset giving me sound (trough rythmbox) by setting it in .asoundrc, but the volume control in my panel (and the integrated volume control in the headset) doesn't modify the volume of the headset :(
[22:16] <TheSheep> bluespuke: isn't there a meu to change the card
[22:18] <bluespuke> TheSheep: you mean in the settings manager?
[22:18] <bluespuke> i tried that way but it didn't do anything :(
[22:18] <TheSheep> bluespuke: no, in the mixer app
[22:19] <TheSheep> bluespuke: you could also try alsoamixer with -c parameter and the name of the card
[23:26] <Grey_Loki> I'll ask here as well, since i'm running Xubuntu and #ubuntu seems quite busy (C+P incoming):
[23:26] <Grey_Loki> Hmm, so i'm getting an error about X not being able to load the nvidia kernel module when I first start my machine, and I get booted to safe graphics mode. A bit of googling, and I think my problem may be that the nvidia driver i'm trying to use is compiled for a kernel version higher than what i'm using (2.6.24-18-generic, says uname). Update Manager says there're no updates for my system, though it appears i'm running an outdated kernel.
[23:28] <Grey_Loki> Oh, and the second bit - is there a way to force an update, or should I be looking for another solution?


[00:57] <physically_fit> so why am i banned in ubuntu-offtopic?
[00:58] <physically_fit> also, who did it?
[01:02] <physically_fit> anybody here?
[01:03] <physically_fit> i bet ikonia banned me
[01:03] <physically_fit> so?
[01:04] <physically_fit> i want to enter ubuntu-offtopic
[01:05] <physically_fit> Amaranth, bkerensa Corey DJones elky h00k head_victim
[01:05] <physically_fit> idle jrib jussi01_ LjL  Mamarok
[01:06] <bkerensa> physically_fit: please do not mention everyone in the channel
[01:06] <physically_fit> hi bkerensa can you solve my problem?
[01:06] <bkerensa> Ask your question and someone will address is in due time
[01:06] <physically_fit> can you unban me there?
[01:06] <bkerensa> No I cannot
[01:07] <physically_fit> who can?
[01:07] <physically_fit> what did i dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo?????????
[01:07] <physically_fit> !!!!!!!
[01:08] <bkerensa> physically_fit: an op for that channel or the person who set the ban but only if the ban can be removed. I don't know the circumstances
[01:08] <jrib> physically_fit: come back at a later time when ikonia is available
[01:08] <physically_fit> jrib, did he ban me?
[01:08] <physically_fit> at least i want to know who did it- i have no clue what i did
[01:09] <jrib> physically_fit: yes, thus why you should wait for him to be around
[01:09] <physically_fit> i left the channel by myself, no one kicked me
[01:09] <physically_fit> so i was surprised to finf myself banned
[01:09] <physically_fit> find*
[01:09] <elky> This sounds like lint.
[01:10] <physically_fit> what time does he wake up?
[01:11] <elky> in about 8 hours time.
[01:11] <IdleOne> physically_fit: you can tell when he is active in #ubuntu. when you see him active there rejoin here and speak with him.
[01:11] <physically_fit> why does he hate me????????
[01:11] <physically_fit> i hardly ever chat there and he bans me all the time
[01:11] <IdleOne> I doubt that is the case
[01:12] <elky> abuse of the question mark key, possibly.
[01:13] <IdleOne> anyway, ikonia is not here right now. come back later when you see him active in #ubuntu.
[01:13] <physically_fit> maybe he's in luv with me and wants my attention..... well he GOT IT!!!!!!!!!
[01:13] <elky> are you trying to be creepy?
[01:13] <IdleOne> ok, now you are starting to annoy me
[01:14] <physically_fit> IdleOne, friend, i like you, you are nice to me, please don't be mad at me
[01:14] <IdleOne> physically_fit: Please part this channel now.
[01:14] <physically_fit> blame ikonia i am here! au revoir!
[02:36] <physically_fit> why ubuntu-offtopic has no logs?
[02:38] <physically_fit> IdleOne
[02:43] <physically_fit> hey pastor bazhang,  do you remember me?
[02:45] <bazhang> physically_fit, #ubuntu is NOT the place to ask that
[02:45] <physically_fit> no one answered me here
[02:45] <bazhang> so?
[02:45] <bazhang> sometimes we dont get what we want
[02:45] <physically_fit> i am happy we are chatting again
[02:46] <physically_fit> last thing i knew about you is that you left offtopic
[02:46] <bazhang> why does it matter if -ot has logs or not
[02:46] <physically_fit> bazhang, i just wanted to do some research on why i got banned there
[02:47] <bazhang> physically_fit, you were requested to come back when ikonia is active; he's not, after such a short time since your last visit here
[02:47] <physically_fit> yeah, i just got curious why that channel has no logs
[02:48] <bazhang> physically_fit, please, return at a later time, as has already been requested.
[02:48] <physically_fit> ok, ok. good bye friend. lots of hugs <3
[02:49] <elky> ...
 bazhang: the amazon search thingy is as spyware as spyware gets
[02:59] <bazhang> FUD detected
[05:21] <bazhang> augh
[05:23] <bkerensa> Jordan_U: you like speedy ninja
[05:23] <bkerensa> :D
[05:23] <bkerensa> I had it ready and boom u got it
[06:01] <rolling> muahahahahahaha
[06:01] <rolling> i will KILL you
[06:01] <rolling> monkeys
[06:02] <bazhang> rolling, exit the channel please
[06:02] <rolling> all people drop dead
[06:03] <rolling> comcast rules!
[06:05] <rolling><EMAIL_ADDRESS>recipient ok
[06:05] <rolling> 250 2.1.5<EMAIL_ADDRESS>recipient ok
[06:05] <rolling> 250 2.1.5<EMAIL_ADDRESS>recipient ok
[06:05] <rolling> :D
[06:05] <rolling> niggers
[06:05] <rolling> i owN gnu!
[06:05] <rolling> ;)
[06:06]  * rolling slaps tsimpson around a bit with a large trout
[06:06] <rolling> hooker simpson
[06:06] <bazhang> rolling, just exit.
[06:06] <chu> Surely you have better things to do with your time...
[06:06] <rolling> Ill be back
[06:06] <rolling> another day
[07:33] <Tm_T> morning dear fellows
[07:36] <bkerensa> morning
[16:06] <physically_fit> i need to talk to ikonia for banning me
[16:08] <IdleOne> physically_fit: I looked into it and it appears that you were banned from #ubuntu-offtopic because you have been cross-posting questions in both #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic .
[16:09] <IdleOne> Seems you were told not to do that but continued
[16:10] <IdleOne> physically_fit: Does this sound like it makes any sense?
[16:11] <ikonia> one moment if you need me
[16:11] <physically_fit> i am trying to remember what i said last time i was here
[16:11] <ikonia> hi physically_fit sorry I wasn't around earlier
[16:12] <ikonia> I'll explain to try to be clear as I appreciate you where not in the channel when I put the ban on you
[16:12] <physically_fit> i think i was getting a warning message when i was trying to update an old desktop i have
[16:12] <ikonia> had you been in the channel I would have spoken to you
[16:12] <physically_fit> yeah i wasnt
[16:12] <ikonia> physically_fit: in the past, you've been banned because you've not been able to follow instructions and kept asking the same questions in multiple ubuntu channels despite being asked and then told not to
[16:12] <ikonia> you're aware of that correct ?
[16:13] <ikonia> (eg: how do I get my .nl radio station, does anyone have a proxy)
[16:13] <physically_fit> but they dont answer me in ubuntu, and in offtopic things are more relaxed so i feel free to ask whatever i want
[16:13] <ikonia> ok - and that is the problem
[16:13] <ikonia> how many times have you been told not to do that
[16:13] <ikonia> you asked a question in #ubuntu, waited 90 seconds then asked in #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:14] <physically_fit> ikonia, you are the only one who gets bother for that, no one else cares
[16:14] <ikonia> physically_fit: that may be your perecption, but you have been asked not to do it multiple times, banned as a warning and then had the ban removed
[16:14] <physically_fit> and that proxy thing, that happened like i year ago, i didn't even remembered it
[16:14] <ikonia> you've been warned mulitple times after that
[16:14] <ikonia> so when I saw you do it again yesterday I put a ban on you
[16:14] <ikonia> that's the bottom line/explination
[16:16] <physically_fit> thanks IdleOne for checking that thing for me
[16:17] <ikonia> can you please focus on the topic of this channel
[16:17] <ikonia> it's part of the problem that's getting you banned
[16:17] <physically_fit> what did i do now?
[16:18] <physically_fit> i want to talk about the movie Looper, have you seen it?
[16:18] <ikonia> not on topic for this channel~
[16:18] <ikonia> I used it as an exa
[16:18] <ikonia> I used it only as an example to show how long we have been telling you to follow the channels topics and not cross-post
[16:19] <physically_fit> after all the times we've chatted i think that we are friends at that point, even if we only talk about bans and stuff
[16:19] <physically_fit> at this point*
[16:19] <ikonia> that has nothing to do with this
[16:20] <ikonia> if you consider us friends or not has nothing to do with you not being able to follow the channels guidelines
[16:20] <physically_fit> i'll try not to do it again
[16:20] <ikonia> I'm sorry, but I've heard that before
[16:20] <ikonia> from my perspective I'm leaving you out of #ubuntu-offtopic for a while
[16:20] <ikonia> I've left you in #ubuntu so that you can gain support should you need it
[16:21] <ikonia> which seems a reasonable compromise
[16:21] <physically_fit> this sounds to me like discrimination
[16:21] <physically_fit> i don't come here often
[16:22] <ikonia> that doesn't mean you don't have to follow the rules
[16:22] <physically_fit> like once or twice a month
[16:22] <ikonia> again how frequent you visit the channel has nothing to do with this
[16:22] <ikonia> and if you don't come to the channel often you won't miss it while you are banned
[16:22] <ikonia> you still have access to #ubuntu should you need technical help/support
[16:22] <physically_fit> i wouldn't be here if i didn't think this is unfair
[16:22] <ikonia> the fact that you knew to join here shows exactly how fair it is
[16:23] <physically_fit> tell me how long i will be banned
[16:23] <ikonia> as you've been here that often to be told not to do it
[16:23] <ikonia> until there is a noted behaviour in your ability to participate in the channel within the guidelines
[16:23] <ikonia> then you'll be welcome back to #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:25] <physically_fit> offtopic doesn't even have logs, so you are being way too strict considering that fact
[16:25] <ikonia> the lack of logs has nothing to do with it
[16:25] <physically_fit> it has
[16:25] <ikonia> you seem to be looking for anything to justify the fact that you've been warned and continue to not follow the guidelines
[16:26] <ikonia> so at that point, I'll end this conversation with you, we'll get back to you when we feel it time to remove the ban
[16:26] <ikonia> you're welcome to check in to request info on it's status
[16:26] <physically_fit> i asked how long the ban and you haven't answered
[16:26] <ikonia> physically_fit: no set time
[16:26] <ikonia> apologies I wasn't clear on that - no set time, but when we see you being able to use the channels properly
[16:27] <physically_fit> why do you say "we feel" isn't this just your decision?
[16:27] <ikonia> no
[16:27] <IdleOne> physically_fit: The whole of the Ubuntu community has !guidelines that need to be followed. Channels being logged or not has nothing to do with how people need to behave in the community.
[16:27] <ikonia> others can act also
[16:27] <ikonia> so if others feel your behaviour is acceptable to use both channels without cross-posting and being a pain/problem, they are welcome to remove the ban
[16:27] <ikonia> not just me, hence "we"
[16:28] <ikonia> (anyone in the team)
[16:28] <physically_fit> alrighty, do whatever you want. i don't like to chat too much, i feel tired now. thanks for your time and concern, friends.
[16:28] <ikonia> no problem
[16:28] <ikonia> bye


[00:36] <xnox> Trevinho, not any more, the norm has changed.
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[10:03] <ginggs> would an ubuntu-archive person please look at LP: #1646836 ?
[12:09]  * apw looks
[12:26] <acheronuk> apw: could you maybe look at bug 1659926 & bug 1659934 ? that old KDE4 stuff now blocks important new Qt5/KF5 parts of present and future official KDE applications.
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[15:12] <ginggs> thanks, apw !
[15:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: horizon (xenial-proposed/main) [2:9.1.0-0ubuntu1 => 2:9.1.1-0ubuntu1] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[15:51] <fossfreedom_> jbicha: this bug still occurs in the zesty version of gnome-control-center - is Ubuntu GNOME going to use the additional package workaround as suggested in that bug-report? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1631750
[16:01] <jbicha> fossfreedom_: uh, no I wasn't intending to, since that's poorly integrated with GNOME
[16:01] <jbicha> we used to install that
[16:02] <fossfreedom_> aye: just tried it - it works - just looks and feels very odd in comparison with the other GCC applets.
[16:05] <jbicha> fossfreedom_: see also bug 1662031
[16:11] <fossfreedom_> jbicha: feeling confident a solution could be found for 17.04?  Reason for the query - I'm wonder whether the odd looking applet should be added to our meta package so that at least users have a means of adding languages.
[16:13] <jbicha> fossfreedom_: it's been broken for 5 months so odds are it won't be fixed this month
[16:13] <fossfreedom_> understand.  cheers
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[16:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: nova (xenial-proposed/main) [2:13.1.2-0ubuntu2 => 2:13.1.3-0ubuntu1] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[19:03] <slangasek> rbasak: you're EOD, right?
[19:03] <slangasek> it looks like an EODish kind of time over there ;)
[19:04] <xnox> yeah, british are slackers to stop working by 7pm
[19:04] <slangasek> crazy socialists
[19:04]  * xnox EOD
[19:05] <slangasek> bdmurray: would you have time today to review the live-build package in xenial-proposed queue?
[19:06] <davmor2> xnox: wuss
[19:15] <apw> slangasek, i can look at that for you
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[19:24] <apw> slangasek, bdmurray ^
[19:30] <acheronuk> apw: thanks for looking at those removals :)
[19:31] <apw> acheronuk, hopefully you are cleared out
[19:31] <acheronuk> apw: it all worked and migrated as I hoped, if that is what you mean
[19:31] <slangasek> apw: that would be lovely, thanks :)
[19:32] <apw> acheronuk, that indeed
[19:32] <apw> slangasek, already done
[19:32] <slangasek> apw: woohoo
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[20:51] <jgrimm> sru folks, could someone look at releasing resolvconf in xenial-proposed? the yellow in pending-sru is for a bug that resolvconf no longer tracks, the other is green verify-done'd.   thinking it might not be hitting radars because of the glaring yellow bug yet.
[20:51] <jgrimm> rharper, ^^ fyi
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[21:32] <rtg> xnox, infinity - I've removed block-proposed on linux 4.10.0-9.11. Please update d-i accordingly.