[12:03] <simira> anyone here in London for the distro sprint?
[12:10] <zwnj> i just tested the German locale.  "de_DE.UTF-8" doesn't work too and i see an en_US interface.  note that i get error on "de_DE" and "de"
[01:06] <poningru> would it be possible to have mplayer automatically loaded and mozilla-mplayer plugin put in?
[01:19] <Burgundavia> poningru, you want mplayer to be pushed into main and installed by default?
[01:24] <poningru> Burgundavia: well thats not necessary
[01:24] <poningru> totem-plugin should be installed by defautl then
[01:24] <poningru> the correct package is totem-gstreamer-firefox-plugin
[01:30] <Burgundavia> poningru, totem plugin should already be installed by default.
[01:31] <poningru> oh?
[01:31] <poningru> well its not for me
[01:31] <poningru> hmm
[01:31] <Burgundavia> file a bug
[01:31] <poningru> wait what do you mean totem-plugin?
[01:31] <poningru> which package do you mean by that?
[01:32] <Burgundavia> it is all being built out of the totem source package, I believe
[01:41] <test34> What does Ubuntu uses to auto-mount CDs, USB sticks, etc when you plug them in ?
[01:41] <floam> test34: gnome-volume-manager
[01:41] <floam> which is given information from HAL and uses pmount
[01:42] <test34> thanks floam, does kubuntu uses gnome-volume-manager too ?
[01:45] <floam> test34: probably not
[01:46] <crimsun> test34: ivman
[01:46] <test34> cool, thanks
[03:00] <ninjaru> there someone being a real asshat in #ubuntu, just thought someone here might like to know about it
[03:01] <ninjaru> quote "thangog: why don't u fuckin fags go fuck yerselves"
[03:01] <ninjaru> it wasnt aimed at me, but I didnt really apprecaite that much
[04:58] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, you still aren't in -doc by default
[04:59] <jsgotangco> heh i forgot to add it on this machine
[08:37] <sivang> morning all
[08:41] <chmj> hi all
[08:41] <chmj> is anyone currently working on myubuntu?
[08:42] <Burgundavia> chmj, myubuntu?
[08:50] <chmj> Burgundavia: aka buntu
[08:51] <Burgundavia> chmj, ah, not going to happen int he dapper cycle, at this point. Unless a very serious community member stepped up
[08:54] <chmj> Burgundavia: I thought so
[08:55] <chmj> so nothing has been done since breezy? its was listed as a breezy goal.
[08:55] <Burgundavia> breezy had some seriously optimistic goals
[08:56] <Keybuk> Dapper's the first release where the "goals" are really intended to actually be met
[08:56] <Keybuk> breezy and before they were more like "things that could be done if we had the time"
[08:57] <Burgundavia> Keybuk, likely JaneW's influence, amongst others
[08:57] <Burgundavia> Keybuk, how are you feeling?
[08:59] <Keybuk> I'm good
[08:59] <Keybuk> waiting for SOMEBODY ELSE to get up
[08:59] <Burgundavia> isn't it 8am there?
[09:00] <Keybuk> yes
[09:19] <Aegir> HAH! Y2k bug in Evolution! Has to be! Except it's going to 1996 and not 1906 and won't let me set my damn dates properly in the callender. Oh this is so amusing.
[09:30] <hunger> Anyone looked into #29917 yet?
[09:34] <Keybuk> hunger: dude, you filed it on Saturday
[09:35] <hunger> Keybuk: Oh... was that saturday?
[09:35] <zakame> afternoon all
[09:35] <hunger> Keybuk: Seems longer to me;-)
[10:18] <pitti> Hi
[10:18] <ajmitch> hi pitti
[10:21] <JaneW> hi pitti :)
[10:21] <Burgundavia> hello JaneW, have fun with the whip this week?
[10:21] <ajmitch> morning JaneW
[10:21] <JaneW> Burgundavia: heh thanks :)
[10:21] <JaneW> hi ajmitch
[10:22] <jsgotangco> hey JaneW
[10:22] <JaneW> hi jsgotangco
[10:22] <Mithrandir> *yawn*
[10:35] <dholbach> hellas pitti
[10:48] <janimo> dholbach, UVF exception for exo/thunar, need to sent to motu list?
[10:48] <dholbach> janimo: yeah
[10:49] <janimo> ok
[10:49] <dholbach> do it quickly and i'll prod matt and colin, later
[10:49] <janimo> prod for what, actual sync?
[10:49] <janimo> or you're the proxy and all goes trhoiught them?
[10:50] <janimo> actuall these two are approved for main just not promoted yet
[10:53] <Kamion> janimo: stuff that's only in the xubuntu seeds isn't getting displayed in our list of things to promote at the moment; elmo needs to fix that I think
[10:54] <janimo> Kamion, yes and xubuntu-desktop still has some bits not approved so I did not push it yet
[11:04] <Burgundavia> Kamion, isn't great to have a rich and crazy boss?  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2006-January/003810.html
[11:06] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: how is that crazy?
[11:07] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, that marks sees something shiny and then goes "I want it!" and orders it to be so
[11:07] <Kamion> Burgundavia: seems perfectly sane to me :)
[11:07] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: it was a spec at UBZ to boot from usb
[11:07] <ajmitch> not just a random decision :)
[11:07] <Burgundavia> I guess so, but still funny
[11:08] <ajmitch> sadly I don't think my 512MB stick is bootable with my laptop
[11:08] <Burgundavia> mine is only 128, so it won't do
[11:08] <jsgotangco> i have a 512 muvo
[11:08] <Burgundavia> incidentally, have those UbuntUSB people ever actually contacted anyone at Canonical?
[11:08] <jsgotangco> what does boot.img.gz do?
[11:09] <jsgotangco> i think it only contains the kernel and installer
[11:09] <Mithrandir> Burgundavia: not that I know of.
[11:09] <Mithrandir> Burgundavia: we'll most likely drive them somewhat out of business with dapper-live, though. :-)
[11:09] <Burgundavia> indeed
[11:09] <ajmitch> and the $30 fee is a bit rude
[11:09] <AlinuxOS> sir pitti ?
[11:09] <Burgundavia> they were rather evasive in that interview
[11:10] <pitti> Hi AlinuxOS
[11:10] <StevenK> ajmitch: My wife read that statement and came out with a very disturbing statement.
[11:10] <AlinuxOS> hi
[11:10] <ajmitch> StevenK: I knew someone would
[11:11] <AlinuxOS> I have some questions, have got some time?
[11:11] <ajmitch> I'm always so misunderstood :)
[11:11] <StevenK> Heh
[11:11] <Burgundavia> dammit, why is 2am a great time to be up and chatting?
[11:12] <AlinuxOS> pitti, I have some questions, have got some time?
[11:13] <janimo> Kamion, how can I in a broken dapper iso install (cannot install kernel) manually install packages from target/media/cdrom ?
[11:13] <janimo> I can't find dpkg
[11:13] <janimo> it's the daily of yesterday on a 64M laptop
[11:13] <pitti> AlinuxOS: just ask, I'll answer in between my work
[11:14] <AlinuxOS> pitti, ok
[11:15] <Kamion> janimo: chroot /target, then you have dpkg
[11:15] <janimo> Kamion, ta
[11:15] <sivang> morning all
[11:17] <ajmitch> morning sivang
[11:18] <sivang> hey ajmitch , 'sup?
[11:18] <ajmitch> just replying to an email about work, nothing exciting
[11:18] <ajmitch> and longing to get back to ubuntu hacking after a week of LCA
[11:19] <Burgundavia> Moz corp has 30+ people working on Thunderbird and Firefox, bloody hell
[11:19] <sivang> Keybuk: I'm still having truobles with ifupdown_0.6.7ubuntu6 , is this solved with an upgrade? (had to downgrade to ubuntu5 to make ti work)
[11:20] <sivang> ajmitch: oh , LCA sounds cool. I wish I could visit it for once :)
[11:20] <ajmitch> sivang: it was very cool
[11:21] <ajmitch> gah
[11:21] <ajmitch> libsemanage.semanage_link_sandbox: Link packages failed
[11:21] <sivang> Keybuk: this time it seems that ntp update is to blame
[11:21] <ajmitch> nasty stuff stil
[11:21] <sivang> Keybuk: it extis with 1, which breaks ifup I think
[11:22] <hunger>  sivang: I think the latest ifupdown ruined my dhclient.conf. If you have a backup of that then you should be fine.
[11:22] <sivang> hunger: I just re-installed ubuntu5, that did the trick
[11:23] <sivang> hunger: my dhclient.conf seems un-touched
[11:23] <hunger> sivang: Well, maybe I had broken the dhclient myself. Not sure.
[11:23] <hunger> sivang: This is why I have not filed a bug:-)
[11:24] <sivang> hunger: :) Isloation is the name of the game :)
[11:24] <ajmitch> hm, awk is exploding in my face trying to build this - not helpful
[11:26] <Keybuk> sivang: "problem"? "troubles"?  what happens/goes wrong/etc.
[11:26] <sivang> Keybuk: so: I booted with ifupdown_0.6.7ubuntu6 ,
[11:27] <Keybuk> right
[11:27] <sivang> Keybuk: getting "run-parts: ntpate exited with 1" or so
[11:27] <Keybuk> ok
[11:27] <hunger> Keybuk: shortly after the last upgrade my server would no longer got his IP from its dhcp server.
[11:27] <sivang> Keybuk: iface won't come up
[11:27] <hunger> sivang: did you get an IP?
[11:27] <sivang> Keybuk: that is won't get IP from dhcp server
[11:27] <Mez> does the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>address work even though it hasnt got a mailing list
[11:27] <Keybuk> sivang: "won't come up" ?  ntpdate happens after that
[11:27] <Keybuk> sivang: so did it come up, and go back down again?
[11:28] <hunger> Keybuk: The /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf (IIRC) contained only one bogus line at that time.
[11:28] <sivang> Keybuk: not that I knew of, anyway to check that?
[11:28] <hunger> Keybuk: As I said: I am not sure that I didn't break this.
[11:28] <sivang> Keybuk: from my perspective, it never came up (didn't get an IP)
[11:29] <Keybuk> sivang: watch it from another terminal, do ifdown/ifup
[11:29] <hunger> sivang: Is there only one line in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf?
[11:29] <sivang> Keybuk: how do I watch if an interface came "up" ? (actually, thinking about it- is there a difintion for when an iface is up besides getting and ip)
[11:30] <hunger> sivang: The symptom is what I had as well.
[11:30] <Keybuk> sivang: "watch ifconfig -a"
[11:30] <Keybuk> sivang: yes, "UP" in the ifconfig outpuut :p
[11:31] <sivang> hunger: two lines, one that I added about broadcasting the hostname (send host-name "ubuntu";)
[11:31] <sivang> and one about the "request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, ...."
[11:31] <sivang> Keybuk: will do that and tell you, I'm upgrading again so I reckon ubuntu6 will get re-installed
[11:34] <hunger> sivang: that and python-twisted (if you have that installed) ;-)
[11:36] <sivang> hunger: speaking of python stuff, do you know if previously mounted fs were not reported as volumes in hal and now they are ? I have some code that got broken due to that :)
[11:37] <sivang> hunger: that is, stuff mounted from  a CDROM and USBDisks were reported as volumes, but stuff from HD were not.
[11:37] <sivang> hunger: and now they are ;-)
[11:41] <trulux> morning
[11:42] <trulux> nvidia-settings conflicts over here
[11:43] <trulux> stops from upgrading x11 pkgs
[11:43] <ajmitch> morning trulux
[11:43] <trulux> (nvidia-glx from dapper wants to write /usr/bin/nvidia-settings)
[11:43] <trulux> hey ajmitch
[11:43] <trulux> ajmitch: howya?
[11:43] <ajmitch> alright, just working on some selinux policy stuff
[11:44] <Treenaks> btw, am I the only one without image thumbnailers in nautilus?
[11:44] <trulux> ajmitch: I'll do so once I get dapper working
[11:44] <trulux> ajmitch: it seems like we can get this one going :)
[11:47] <ajmitch> hm?
[11:48] <trulux> ajmitch: support in pkgs since the dbeian sync
[11:48] <trulux> ajmitch: http://rafb.net/paste/results/cHpamw30.html
[11:48] <ajmitch> I know that
[11:49] <ajmitch> I've actually been using selinux & have stuff working
[11:49] <janimo> Keybuk, in a fresh server daily install /dev/null is not user RW, is this your area?
[11:50] <Keybuk> 640 ?
[11:50] <janimo> 660
[11:50] <Keybuk> ok ... did it hang for a few minutes on boot?
[11:50] <janimo> resultis in permission denied on login
[11:50] <janimo> because of sourcing /etc/bash_completion
[11:50] <janimo> scrolling of permission denied messages
[11:51] <janimo> until Ctrl-C
[11:51] <ajmitch> Keybuk: a familiar problem, is it? the 'detecting & activating hardware' step failing
[11:51] <janimo> it did not really hang on boot
[11:51] <Keybuk> ajmitch: I think I fixed it this morning
[11:51] <hunger> sivang: Nope... I am not kubuntu. That is not so deaply into hal yet I think.
[11:51] <janimo> no network at all
[11:52] <ajmitch> Keybuk: great, it was intermittent for me, but I was a little busy to report it
[11:52] <Keybuk> janimo: udevd is running?  and nothing (much?) in /dev/.udev/failed
[11:52] <janimo> on every reboot it is set back to 660
[11:52] <janimo> lemme see
[11:52] <trulux> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15/+bug/27040
[11:52] <Ubugtu> malone bug 27040 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 nvidia-glx "nvidia-glx in <IP_ADDRESS>-1 contains an undeclared conflict against nvidia-settings (all versions)" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[11:52] <trulux> "unconfirmed"
[11:53] <janimo> Keybuk, not running and failed has a lot of entries underneath
[11:54] <janimo> maybe because of the manual install, since kernel install from D-i failed so I dpkg -i instead
[11:54] <Keybuk> janimo: that would be your problem then :)
[11:54] <trulux> this won't let me remove nvidia-settings now due to x11 pending upgrades
[11:54] <janimo> ok then, thanks
[11:54] <Keybuk> janimo: is udev even installed?
[11:56] <lifeless> seb128: how can I tell if the 'dbus session' thing is running ?
[12:00] <sivang> Keybuk: ok, I found it the issue - it swapped eth1 & eth0. on boot, all ifaces are UP BROADCAST, but I then need to manually run dhclient to get a lease for eth0 (while it was always eth1 before)
[12:00] <pitti> lifeless: echo  $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS ?
[12:00] <sivang> Keybuk: working now with -14
[12:00] <sivang> (after the dist-upgrade)
[12:00] <lifeless> pitti: blank
[12:01] <pitti> lifeless: also, ps aux|grep dbus-daemon does not show a process for your user?
[12:01] <pitti> it should be like
[12:01] <pitti> martin    6807  0.0  0.3   2692   784 ?        Ss   02:47   0:00 dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 8 --print-address 6 --session
[12:01] <Kamion> janimo: /var/log/syslog in the installer might help you find why base-installer can't install the kernel
[12:01] <Keybuk> sivang: oh,yeah, it'll do that
[12:01] <lifeless> robertc  30252  0.0  0.0   3676   740 pts/1    R+   22:01   0:00 grep dbus-daemon
[12:01] <Keybuk> sivang: reboot and they'll swap again, and again, and so on
[12:01] <lifeless> pitti: i.e. nothing
[12:01] <sivang> Keybuk: yes, pretty annoying :)
[12:02] <sivang> Keybuk: where do you usually fix something like that? </curiosity>
[12:02] <ajmitch> Keybuk: how's network manager looking now? in sad shape still?
[12:04] <sivang> pitti: has there been any changes to hal/dbus that now mounted hard drive partitions are represetned as volumes in the device tree ?
[12:05] <sivang> pitti: (while in the past they were not)
[12:05] <lifeless> pitti: so, how do I get dbus running ?
[12:06] <pitti> sivang: yes, the probe now runs as root
[12:06] <pitti> lifeless: do you have /etc/X11/Xsession.d/75dbus_dbus-launch ?
[12:06] <sivang> pitti: ah ok, thanks very much. I need to fix some code then ;-)
[12:06] <lifeless> no
[12:06] <sivang> pitti: this is with sjored's new root priviliged daemon ?
[12:07] <lifeless> pitti: ^
[12:07] <pitti> sivang: yes
[12:07] <Keybuk> ajmitch: not looked at it yet
[12:07] <Keybuk> sivang: when I get around to it ;)
[12:07] <pitti> lifeless: hmm, it's in the 'dbus' package, which you should have
[12:08] <pitti> lifeless: but it's a conffile, did you happen to remove it at some point?
[12:08] <pitti> lifeless: if so, dpkg -i --force-confmiss /var/cache/apt/archives/dbus_*.deb should work
[12:08] <lifeless> pitti: I am not aware of ever removing it
[12:08] <lifeless> what dbus package should I have ?
[12:08] <lifeless> rc  dbus                        0.50-1ubuntu3               simple interprocess messaging system
[12:08] <lifeless> note the status
[12:08] <pitti> uh
[12:09] <lifeless> I only went with what synaptic did
[12:09] <sivang> Keybuk: ah, care to ping me up? I'm keen to know about where will this be fixed :)
[12:09] <pitti> lifeless: maybe you got the victim of some temporary uninstallability due to a library transition?
[12:09] <lifeless> pitti: I had huge installability probs for about three weeks
[12:09] <pitti> lifeless: you should have 0.60-2something
[12:09] <lifeless> half of gnome wanted a different dbus to the other half
[12:09] <lifeless> or so it seemed
[12:10] <pitti> yes, sounds like a transition breakage
[12:10] <pitti> lifeless: aptitude install ubuntu-desktop should cure many problems
[12:10] <Keybuk> sivang: "ping you up" ?
[12:10] <lifeless> then it all came good, until I tried to use epiphany -- i.e. immediately :)
[12:10] <\sh> damn..how can someone check, if the thread manager of a jvm is working?
[12:10] <\sh> .oO(without checking the logfile for "unable to create a native thread") I hate java
[12:11] <Kamion> ubuntu-desktop's uninstallable at the moment, we're working on fixing that
[12:12] <lifeless> Kamion: k
[12:12] <lifeless> I've happily installed just dbus though
[12:12] <lifeless> and -utils
[12:13] <sivang> Keybuk: never mind, I'll just follow the bug report :)
[12:13] <Keybuk> sivang: what's pinging somebody up?
[12:13] <Keybuk> is it kinky?
[12:13] <sivang> Keybuk: hehe
[12:13] <sivang> this reminds me my mishap in chat with Kinnison sometime ago :-)
[12:14] <lifeless> pitti: I've asked this in the bug, but if epiphany needs dbus, why does it not depend on it ?
[12:14] <pitti> seb128: ^ ?
[12:14] <sivang> Keybuk: could probaby sound like it, but I was more referring to you ping me on IRC when you've found the problem ..but I better be following the bug report instead of bugging you.
[12:15] <Keybuk> sivang: oh, I know what the problem is
[12:15] <Keybuk> I haven't written any code to parse /etc/
[12:15] <Keybuk> ... /etc/iftab and name the network device appropriately
[12:16] <lifeless> muhaha
[12:17] <seb128> lifeless: that's right, I'll fix that today
[12:17] <lifeless> seb128: sweet
[12:17] <seb128> but epiphany should not crash without dbus neither
[12:17] <lifeless> it does not crash
[12:17] <seb128> I'll bug upstream too
[12:17] <lifeless> it never starts
[12:17] <lifeless> ;)
[12:17] <seb128> right, same
[12:17] <seb128> it should work without dbus probably ;)
[12:20] <sivang> Keybuk: ah, I see.
[12:21] <lifeless> mjg59: so, dell x1s - any love to share
[12:22] <janimo> Keybuk, yes udev is installed I'll try to find out if it's not too late why the kernel did not install
[12:23] <sivang> seb128: any idea when the libc bug regarding non ascii chars wil be fixes? (the one that crashes evo/gaim ..)
[12:24] <seb128> let me ask jbailey
[12:25] <seb128> he says: "probably today"
[12:25] <Keybuk> janimo: kernel?
[12:26] <janimo> Keybuk, yes the kernel image did not install automatically
[12:26] <janimo> so I dpkg-i -d it
[12:26] <janimo> the finished grub install step
[12:26] <janimo> so maybe some other things went wrong because of same
[12:28] <tseng> janimo: tar gets pretty pissed off if your files are dated in the future
[12:28] <tseng> janimo: no idea how much dpkg likes that
[12:29] <Mithrandir> what's the reason for bzr not being in main?
[12:29] <janimo> tseng yes lots of tar called from postinst warnings
[12:29] <janimo> and gpgv checking of Release.gpg returns with 2
[12:30] <janimo> 'C' is not a supported language locale
[12:30] <janimo> info Found kernels ''
[12:30] <Kamion> d-i passes the gpgv option to ignore time conflicts
[12:30] <janimo> so it may be that the broken clock causes all this
[12:30] <Kamion> the C thing should be unrelated I think, but you never know
[12:32] <janimo> locale: cannot set LC_CTYPE, LC_MESSAGES, LC_ALL to default locale, no such file or directory
[12:32] <janimo> adapted for IRC :)
[12:32] <janimo> and then comes found kernels '' , not installing any kernel ( which seems logical)
[12:34] <Kamion> there should be some debugging output about what kernels it found in the apt cache in /target
[12:34] <herzi> dholbach: ping
[12:34] <dholbach> herzi: pong
[12:35] <herzi> dholbach: can you take a quick look at 30047? thanks
[12:35] <dholbach> herzi: no, sorry - i have no clue, what it is about.
[12:36] <dholbach> herzi: if it's universe, i'd recommend CCing the 'motureviewers' team
[12:36] <Kamion> janimo: if there's no other output then I guess the apt cache is buggered, which could happen because of apt-get update failing due to the gpgv thing I guess
[12:36] <herzi> it's about "my wacom tablet doesn't work anymore with dapper"
[12:37] <janimo> Kamion, I am now in the bootted system which has aworking shell at least but no udev. So there's no /target right now
[12:37] <Mithrandir> herzi: there's no modular Xorg wacom driver, is there?
[12:37] <herzi> Mithrandir: there is not
[12:37] <Kamion> janimo: is this a standard image at all?
[12:37] <Kamion> or is it one you built?
[12:37] <Mithrandir> herzi: well, then you lose.  AIUI.
[12:37] <herzi> Mithrandir: but you can use the package from breezy and add a symlink
[12:37] <janimo> yesterdays current install -386.iso
[12:38] <herzi> Mithrandir: it works here with dapper
[12:38] <Mithrandir> herzi: there's no source package for it, though.
[12:38] <janimo> and the kernel installed fine with dpkg after a chrooted as you suggested
[12:38] <janimo> s/a/I/
[12:38] <Kamion> janimo: hmm, not noticed anything like that with the image from a few days back, so I guess it must be a recurrence of the old time conflict thing
[12:39] <Kamion> janimo: file a bug on debian-installer attaching /var/log/installer/syslog please?
[12:39] <janimo> need the installer syslog?
[12:39] <janimo> ok :)
[12:51] <segfault> latest udev upgrade changed my /dev/null to 0660, is that supposed to happen?
[12:55] <janimo> segfault, happens here too, but probbaly not supposed to happen
[12:55] <janimo> there's a discussion related to this if you scroll back a page or two
[12:56] <janimo> it happened here because udev is not running
[12:56] <janimo> I have some strange smbus errors in the log
[12:56] <segfault> humm, i see
[12:57] <janimo> do you also have files under /dev/.udev/failed
[12:57] <janimo> ?
[12:58] <janimo> segfault I did an udev reinstall and then a reboot and it's fine now
[12:58] <janimo> beats me why
[12:59] <segfault> yes, a lot of them
[12:59] <segfault> acctualy, 14.
[12:59] <janimo> after I manually deleted /dev/null and /dev/console because udev restart complained
[12:59] <janimo> try /etc/init.d/udev restart
[12:59] <janimo> fast till I it's fresh in my mind ;)
[01:36] <pef> hello
[01:45] <Keybuk> JaneW: oops! :)
[01:45] <JaneW> heh
[01:47] <mantiena-baltix> Kamion, hi
[01:48] <zakame> good evening all :)
[01:48] <mantiena-baltix> zakame, hello
[01:48] <zakame> hello mantiena-baltix :) what's up?
[01:49] <mantiena-baltix> zakame, all up ;)
[01:49] <zakame> at the distro sprint?
[01:54] <mantiena-baltix> zakame, what is distro sprint ?
[01:56] <zakame> hm, whip-cracking time for ubuntu-devs involved in Dapper feature goals :)
[02:05] <AlinuxOS> pitti, ? can you receve my privat msg?
[02:14] <mantiena-baltix> Kamion, please answer me, when you will be online ;)
[02:29] <mjg59> lifeless: In what way?
[03:14] <Kamion> mantiena-baltix: please mail me if you want me to pay attention, or just comment on bugs or whatever; I'm not terribly reliably on IRC this week
[03:18] <\sh> Kamion: regarding the "loopback" problem from yesterday...I'm not using n-m on my workstation..so I can rely only on the standard network stuff...on my laptop, with n-m, it works without any problems
[03:18] <siretart> \sh: with madwifi?
[03:18] <\sh> siretart: no..loopback device not setup properly
[03:19] <siretart> \sh: I remember you complaining about loosing connection during scans
[03:19] <\sh> siretart: and eth0 not setup properly after reboot, too
[03:19] <\sh> siretart: that's something else
[03:19] <siretart> ah
[03:19] <siretart> ok. I'm using whereami on my laptop anyway.
[03:20] <\sh> siretart: laptop with n-m is working, despite the fact of the connection problems, which I can't figure out properly, because it's a regression of the router
[03:21] <siretart> \sh: ok.
[03:27] <hunger> ls
[03:27] <hunger> Oops, sorry!
[03:28] <hunger> Could somebody fix the new dhcp? It is "while [ ... ] ; do" not "while [ ... ] ; then" in sh.
[03:28] <hunger> line 45 of /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-script
[03:29] <Keybuk> ah, clearly I should do these kinds of things *after* lunch
[03:30] <hunger> Keybuk: The script works fine apart from that;-)
[03:31] <Keybuk> [ job dhcp3_3.0.3-6ubuntu2_source from dhcp3_3.0.3-6ubuntu2_source.changes
[03:31] <Keybuk> ok, uploaded ;)
[03:31] <hunger> Keybuk: Thanks!
[03:43] <mantiena-baltix> Kamion, I think it would be easier to communicate through IRC ;) I need to ask just one question - where is changed (set) value of grub-installer/bootdev debconf setting, which uses grub-installer script
[03:43] <mantiena-baltix> Kamion, I don't find any line in espresso package, which changes this setting
[03:44] <Keybuk> "...I'm sorry, but Kamion isn't here right now..."
[03:47] <mantiena-baltix> no problem ;)
[04:10] <MisterN> hi. I've installed dapper yesterday and want to tell somebody about the issues i've encountered and how i solved them (if i could). is this the right place?
[04:11] <Treenaks> MisterN: well, the 'best' way is to just file bugs for the issues you have
[04:12] <MisterN> Treenaks: must I?
[04:12] <Treenaks> MisterN: you can do that on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug (after searching if it's been reported already of course, on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs)
[04:12] <Treenaks> MisterN: problems that don't have associated probably won't be fixed, unless they're VERY obvious
[04:13] <MisterN> oh well i found a while [...] ; then
[04:13] <MisterN> in a startup script
[04:13] <MisterN> is this obvious enough?:)
[04:13] <herzi> wacom-tools?
[04:13] <MisterN> na mom
[04:13] <Treenaks> MisterN: dhcp3 ?
[04:14] <MisterN> /etc/dhcp3/dhcpclient-script
[04:14] <MisterN> Treenaks: yes.
[04:14] <Treenaks> MisterN: (because I just saw a changelog for dhcp3 about broken while; stuff)
[04:14] <Treenaks> MisterN: it has been fixed already
[04:14] <MisterN> Treenaks: the update that broke it was done by me 10 minutes ago:)
[04:15] <Treenaks> MisterN: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-January/005588.html
[04:17] <MisterN> Treenaks: yeah this should be the thing
[04:43] <mdz> Keybuk: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/alsa-utils/+bug/30040
[04:43] <Ubugtu> malone bug 30040 in alsa-utils "alsactl load state 1236 finds no devices on boot" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[04:43] <mdz> Keybuk: ^^ related to boot process changes?
[04:43] <Keybuk> Not sure, ALSA is on the list to look at this week
[04:44] <Keybuk> I wouldn't immediately suspect so though
[04:46] <mdz> the fact that his sound still works suggests that the device wasn't there when it ran during the boot process, but it was later
[04:46] <Keybuk> which would be damned freaky
[05:00] <trappist> mdz: if you're still around, it was suggested I ask you about why alsaconf was removed from alsa-utils
[05:04] <desrt> 'would you like your email fried, or just lightly toasted?'
[05:08] <mdz> trappist: by whom?
[05:10] <pitti> infinity: ok, now all main packages use libssl 0.9.8 (on the main architectures at least, sparc needs to catch up)
[05:10] <torkel> trappist: iirc it was replaced by asoundconf
[05:10] <pitti> torkel: no, asoundconf does something entirely different
[05:10] <pitti> trappist: ^
[05:11] <torkel> pitti: ok
[05:13] <pitti> desrt: WTH do you do with your postfix configuration? :)
[05:13] <desrt> pitti; "fry it up good"
[05:13] <pitti> desrt: ah, I see, nevermind :)
[05:13] <lamont-work> pitti: nfc
[05:16] <trappist> mdz: pitti
[05:17] <pitti> mdz:
[05:17] <pitti> mdz: I couldn't remember the exact reason for removing alsaconf
[05:17] <pitti> mdz: but I guess it's because udev/hotplug should already care for modules?
[05:18] <mdz> alsaconf is no longer needed for configuring alsa
[05:20] <trappist> mdz: I for one like alsaconf because it makes it easier to choose which sound card/driver I want to use, and I see a lot of support questions that would be easily solved by alsaconf without having to ask a user whether he's using kde, gnome or something else
[05:20] <mdz> trappist: https://launchpad.net/products/alsa-utils/+bug/29597
[05:20] <Ubugtu> malone bug 29597 in alsa-utils "alsaconf missing from alsa-utils" [Normal,Rejected]
[05:21] <trappist> mdz: fair enough
[05:23] <mdz> trappist: if the original bug has been fixed (I don't know), then the only reason to keep it disabled is that it prevents bug reports which would otherwise help get it working without alsaconf
[05:24] <mdz> if it's been fixed, or if someone submits a patch for it, we can weigh the relative merits of alsaconf vs. bug reports
[05:24] <mdz> but for alsaconf vs. a working module loader, the latter wins
[05:24] <trappist> without alsaconf, what's the preferred method of choosing from among multiple soundcards?
[05:26] <pitti> trappist: System -> Settings -> Audio
[05:26] <trappist> and if you don't use gnome, or a desktop environment with a similar tool?
[05:26] <pitti> trappist: or, if you want a command line, set-default-soundcard
[05:32] <Keybuk> Nafallo_away: ping?
[05:55] <lamont-work> mdz: is there any reason that DMA shouldn't be defaulted to on on ide drives in dapper?
[05:55] <mdz> lamont-work: bugs?
[05:56] <mdz> lamont-work: or if the kernel doesn't think it's safe
[05:56] <lamont-work> I suppose...
[05:57] <lamont-work> I finally had a machine where it made enough of a difference for me to discover that it defaults to off...
[05:59] <mdz> it makes a huge difference everywhere I've compared
[05:59] <mdz> but these days it's enabled by default in most cases
[05:59] <Mithrandir> anybody with a firewire block storage device (disk or cdrom) around?
[06:00] <tepsipakki> mithrandir: yes
[06:01] <tepsipakki> mithrandir: but atm not on dapper
[06:02] <Mithrandir> tepsipakki: can you tell me the output of tepsipakki: can you run /lib/udev/path_id /sys/block/$nameofdevice?
[06:03] <Mithrandir> uhm, obvious fix to that sentence. :-)
[06:05] <tepsipakki> Mithrandir: not available on breezy :(
[06:05] <tepsipakki> Mithrandir: but I'll upgrade it soon, are you in a hurry?
[06:05] <Mithrandir> tepsipakki: no, no hurry.
[06:06] <Mithrandir> tepsipakki: if you could tell me when you upgrade (or just boot a live cd), that'd be great.
[06:06] <tepsipakki> Mithrandir: ok, I'll probably upgrade it sometime this week
[06:07] <tepsipakki> Mithrandir: how recent live-cd would do?
[06:08] <Mithrandir> tepsipakki: unsure when it was introduced.  Anyway, this week is just fine
[06:08] <tepsipakki> ok, I'll try a daily-dvd
[06:08] <Mithrandir> thanks
[06:15] <Mithrandir> grr
[06:16] <ivoks> Keybuk: hi
[06:18] <Keybuk> ivoks: hello
[06:18] <ivoks> Keybuk: dhclient needs minor fix :)
[06:18] <Keybuk> oh?
[06:18] <ivoks> yup, it's borken
[06:18] <Keybuk> ...
[06:18] <ivoks> malone #30074
[06:18] <Ubugtu> malone bug 30074 in knetworkconf "eth0 not started for DHCP - regression" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30074
[06:19] <ivoks> and malone #30071
[06:19] <Ubugtu> malone bug 30071 in dhcp3 "Bug in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-script" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30071
[06:20] <Keybuk> already fixed
[06:20] <Keybuk> and already uploaded
[06:20] <ivoks> i see there is a new version
[06:20] <ivoks> sorry :/
[06:51] <Nafallo> Keybuk: pong
[07:04] <Keybuk> Nafallo: dhcdbd has been uploaded to main now :)
[07:04] <Nafallo> yea, I saw :-)
[07:05] <Keybuk> also I modified it to not be setuid-root, and instead just run as a daemon
[07:06] <Nafallo> something that should go upstream? :-)
[07:06] <Nafallo> I just upgraded that package after thom anyway :-)
[07:07] <Keybuk> it looked like that's how RedHat run it anyway
[07:08] <Nafallo> :-)
[07:14] <Nafallo> Keybuk: are you taking on NM next? :-)
[07:14] <Nafallo> Keybuk: 0.6 will probably be out in ~2weeks :-)
[07:15] <Treenaks> Nafallo: that might need some wpa-supplicant love then
[07:16] <Nafallo> yea, and libnl :-)
[07:19] <simira> Mithrandir: ping
[07:23] <Keybuk> Nafallo: yes
[07:26] <Keybuk> Nafallo: I have madwifi-ng packages installed, and network-manager, and it's working so far
[07:31] <Nafallo> :-)
[07:32] <Nafallo> that means we finally will have NM in main? :-)
[07:32] <LaserJock> doko: ping?
[07:46] <Nafallo> Keybuk: that means we finally will have NM in main? :-)
[07:47] <Keybuk> Nafallo: we'll see how it goes
[07:47] <Nafallo> :-)
[07:47] <Nafallo> fair enough
[07:56] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: /lib/udev/vol_id -t /dev/hda1 .... handy
[07:58] <Mithrandir> Keybuk: thanks, vely shiny
[08:05] <simira> hmf
[08:36] <doko> LaserJock: pong
[08:36] <LaserJock> doko: I don't know if you saw (probably did) but I got tightvnc working again
[08:37] <doko> yes, did see it. thanks!
[08:37] <LaserJock> doko: I looked at Bjoern Brauel's source package but I think the difference in xorg versions is causing problems
[10:09] <MrRio> just a quick thought, when i install themes, and then run as a root user, there is a horrible difference of themes. i usually symlink /root/.themes to my own users themes so they always match
[10:09] <MrRio> is this something that would have security implications if it was implemented in some form for dapper?
[10:10] <MrRio> the root user seems to default to some horrible grey gnome-default
[10:10] <crimsun> that's just very, very bad practice.
[10:11] <MrRio> crimsun, right, fine for someone like me, where im the only user
[10:11] <MrRio> ?
[10:11] <crimsun> you can do whatever you want on your own system, but I /highly/ doubt it will be implemented for Dapper due to the severe security ramifications.
[10:12] <MrRio> ive set .themes to non-executable of course
[10:12] <MrRio> ok, is it possible for themes to compromise security then?
[10:13] <crimsun> possibly, though I'm not familiar with the innards to be able to give a solid answer
[10:13] <MrRio> they just look like simple text files, and the engines require a root password to install anyway
[10:13] <MrRio> looks like a glorified css-style markup
[10:13] <crimsun> themes in and of themselves?
[10:14] <MrRio> yes, at least the clearlooks ones do
[10:14] <MrRio> ill have a look at some more
[10:14] <crimsun> hmm, I've just used System> Preferences> Theme
[10:15] <kent> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/pre1/34523-1.jpg   *fniss*
[10:16] <MrRio> http://art.gnome.org/themes/gtk2/571   try installing this simple theme 'Glossy P' by dragging it into the theme manger like it suggests
[10:16] <MrRio> all this does is takes the tar.gz and unzips into your .themes dir.
[10:16] <MrRio> so when you use a root app, it now doesnt have this theme
[10:16] <MrRio> and looks ugly
[10:16] <MrRio> so maybe the theme manger should ask for a root password to install, and move it into root aswell
[10:16] <MrRio> ?
[10:17] <kent> sorry, wrong channel. :(
[10:17] <crimsun> MrRio: you want to ask in #ubuntu-desktop
[10:21] <cradek> hi all
[10:21] <cradek> I have some packages I want to distribute by making an apt repository.
[10:22] <cradek> that's all working except there is an authentication warning when someone tries to install the packages.
[10:22] <cradek> can someone explain how I can sign the packages so this doesn't happen?
[10:23] <MrRio> cradek: yeah, get yourself a key if you havnt already, and just sign your packages with it, i like using seahorse since it integreates right into gnome
[10:24] <MrRio> you need to get people using your packages to import your key for use with apy
[10:24] <MrRio> apt
[10:24] <cradek> ok, I know how to sign
[10:24] <cradek> it's the other part I don't know about
[10:25] <cradek> how do I have them get my key?  Can they get it from the keyservers somehow?
[10:25] <cradek> (I'm rusty, I have only set up gpg for email, and that was long ago)
[10:26] <cradek> do I use dpkg-sig to sign?
[10:28] <mgalvin> MrRio: put your themes in /usr/share/themes so that they are globally accessible
[10:29] <mgalvin> this will make the theme show up the same for your account and root(sudo'd) windows
[10:29] <MrRio> mgalvin: k, thanks, i still feel gnome's theme manager should do this for me
[10:29] <MrRio> (if i ask)
[10:30] <LaserJock> hmm, so is it me or is cups messed up right now?
[10:31] <MrRio> LaserJock, you?
[10:31] <cradek> is there a faq that deals with my questions about signing packages?
[10:32] <MrRio> cradek, use dpkg-sig to sign your packages
[10:33] <cradek> ok
[10:33] <cradek> then how do my users tell their system my key is trusted?
[10:34] <MrRio> cradek, they would use aptkey add
[10:34] <MrRio> apt-key*
[10:34] <cradek> aha
[10:34] <cradek> thank you
[10:35] <MisterN> n8
[10:36] <MrRio> cradek: so maybe wget -O - ftp://yourserver/yourkey.gpg | apt-key add -
[10:37] <MrRio> cradek, :)
[10:38] <cradek> thank you
[10:44] <MrRio> (forgot to mention ull need a sudo on your apt-key bit
[10:45] <cradek> sure
[10:57] <lamont-work> Setting up linux-image-2.6.15-14-hppa32-smp (2.6.15-14.19) ...
[10:57] <lamont-work> cp: cannot stat `/etc/udev/rules.d/00-init.rules': No such file or directory
[10:57] <lamont-work> neatio
[10:57] <MrRio> woo
[10:57] <MrRio> lamont-work, looks like a nasty
[10:57] <lamont-work> dist-upgrading from breezy->dapper
[10:58] <cradek> MrRio: I must still be missing something
[10:58] <cradek> MrRio: apt-key list shows my key
[10:58] <cradek> MrRio: dpkg-sig --verify shows GOODSIG
[10:58] <cradek> MrRio: but I still get the warning when I install it
[10:59] <lamont-work> sadly, apt-key list dies (as a mere mortal), while gpg < /etc/apt/trusted.gpg works just fine
[10:59] <lamont-work> (mode 644 file)


[05:24] <d3x_> yo sup people
[11:51] <tibblej> charlotte?
[12:05] <cstaffords> Hello?
[12:06] <cstaffords> Who is online? I am really new to Ubuntu MATE, and I could use some help.
[12:10] <cstaffords> @cikal, are you still online? I could use your help.
[12:10] <cikal> hi community.. today i has try install mate on my old machine "hp compaq presario c500", i get trouble with wifi.
[12:11] <cikal> yes @cstaffords
[12:11] <cstaffords> I guess you're new too?
[12:11] <cikal> :)
[12:12] <cstaffords> I just started with ubuntu MATE for the first time a few days ago.
[12:12] <cstaffords> Dop you know how to run OpenJDK?
[12:12] <cikal> i choose migrate from windows, and try some linux distro. last day im start with lubuntu, and today try mate
[12:13] <cstaffords> Mate or Ubuntu MATE?
[12:13] <cikal> Ubuntu Mate
[12:15] <cstaffords> So, are you trying to put it on to put ubuntu mate on your compaq, or replace windows or ordinary ubuntu with ubuntu mate?
[12:16] <cikal> great question, i has wipe windows and replace it with linux. today im try to using ubuntu mate, but stuck on inet connection. my wifi has no detect
[12:17] <cstaffords> reboot it. Thats what i did, because i installed it on my raspberry pi, and I had the same problem. i rebooted it, and here I am.
[12:18] <cikal> thanks, i'll try it.
[12:19] <cstaffords> :)
[12:19] <cikal> what raspberry pi version you have?
[12:20] <cstaffords> RPi 3 Model B
[12:20] <cikal> new version
[12:20] <cstaffords> newset
[12:20] <cstaffords> *Newest
[12:20] <cikal> :)
[12:21] <cstaffords> :)
[12:22] <cikal> thanks for the tips, i must restart this old machine. i'll be back soon.. :)
[12:22] <cstaffords> ok
[12:28] <sixwheeledbeast^> do you have OpenJDK installed?
[12:29] <cstaffords> yes
[12:30] <cikal_> @cstaffords i has restart it, but 0 result.. :(
[12:30] <cstaffords> ohhhh. is wifi on?
[12:30] <cikal_> no
[12:31] <cikal_> event i pressed the button, notting happen..
[12:31] <cstaffords> hmmm. Press. "Print Screen" and upload the screenshot to Cubeupload.com then, send me the image. I am (Somewhat) good with computers.
[12:33] <sixwheeledbeast^> Some laptops can have proprietary drivers for wifi and can be awkward. do you know what model you have?
[12:34] <sixwheeledbeast^> b43-installer for broadcom was the one I needed for my Dell
[12:35] <cikal_> i has try it using b43-fwcutter but no result
[12:37] <sixwheeledbeast^> did you run the installer too?
[12:38] <KTrad> is it a broadcom chipset?
[12:39] <sixwheeledbeast^> A quick search says BCM4311 can you confirm?
[12:40] <cikal_> yes, i'll try it
[12:41] <cikal_> my connection going poor
[12:41] <cikal_> sorry for late repply..:)
[12:44] <sixwheeledbeast^> Should be a simple  sudo apt-get update && apt-get install firmware-b43-installer  then run though the installer to setup.
[13:41] <cikal> still stuck on wifi
[13:42] <cikal> hard to fix it
[14:09] <sixwheeledbeast^> cikal: Failing that you could try ndiswrapper. Although b43 should be fine, I would say you need to remove the default installed drivers before running the b43 installer.
[14:10] <Jack_Sparrow__> I thought it was cutter something to get those going
[14:11] <Jack_Sparrow__> fw=
[14:12] <Jack_Sparrow__> b43-fwcutter
[14:17] <Menzador> And by remove, we mean [ sudo modprobe -r $NECESSARY_DRIVERS ]
[14:18] <endergamer2001> :join
[14:19] <endergamer2001> salut
[14:19] <endergamer2001> ca ca
[14:19] <sixwheeledbeast^> fwcutter was installed already if I read correctly
[14:19] <ouroumov> !fr | endergamer2001
[14:21] <sixwheeledbeast^> I have switched a few odd laptops over to UbuntuMATE, all Broadcom. To get it to work I normally have to remove the default open drivers then run b43- installer, which I recall pulls b43-fwcutter
[14:23] <sixwheeledbeast^> The default drivers where fine for ethernet but wifi would not work, on these devices.
[15:07] <Kenzo> hey all,
[15:08] <Kenzo> does anyone know of a fix to get channel 4 and 5 on demand working? i can't watch anything on them. all forum answers point to installing hal/hal-info that doesn't seem to be maintained or available in synaptic
[15:59] <Kenzo> does anyone know of a fix to get channel 4 and 5 on demand working? i can't watch anything on them. all forum answers point to installing hal/hal-info that doesn't seem to be maintained or available in synaptic
[16:02] <Jack_Sparrow__> Kenzo, can you show me link that you cant get?
[16:05] <Kenzo> Jack_Sparrow__, http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-crystal-maze-celebrity-specials/on-demand/65986-017
[16:06] <Jack_Sparrow__> tx
[16:21] <live> Hi Ubuntu MATE community, unfortunatly I cannot boot my laptop anymore, I was dual booting with Win10 and wonder if there is anyone who could help me out, currently grub is in rescue mode when I start
[16:23] <ouroumov_> hi live
[16:23] <live> hi ouromumov
[16:24] <ouroumov_> live, can I assume due to your username that you are booted into the live session?
[16:24] <live> yes I am already in the live session
[16:24] <live> I am at the end of my knowledge, tried a lot but I hope there is still a way to recover data
[16:24] <ouroumov_> try sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[16:24] <live> I have win10 on sda4
[16:25] <live> the ntfs partions are still recognized in gparted
[16:25] <live> but the linux one is not
[16:25] <ouroumov_> hm
[16:25] <live> win10 apparently completely nuked the partition
[16:25] <live> sorry i meant i have win10 on sda1, 2, and 3
[16:26] <ouroumov_> well in that case if your partition is gone your only option would be using recovery software
[16:26] <ouroumov_> But just so you know, this is not fun
[16:26] <live> is there a way i could try booting into windows
[16:26] <live> the ntfs partitions are still recognized as such when i ran gparted
[16:27] <live> but i dont know how i can get win10 to start as grub is in rescue mode upon boot
[16:27] <ouroumov_> and where's the data you care about? In the windows partitions?
[16:27] <live> most important data is in the win10 partitions
[16:27] <live> if i could get win10 to load, that would be a tremendous help
[16:27] <ouroumov_> in that case, <ouroumov_> try sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[16:28] <live> sudo grub-install /dev/sda4 or sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[16:28] <ouroumov_>  /sda
[16:29] <live> Installing for i386-pc platform.
[16:29] <live>   WARNING: Failed to connect to lvmetad. Falling back to device scanning.
[16:29] <live>   Volume group "live" not found
[16:29] <live>   Cannot process volume group live
[16:29] <live>   WARNING: Failed to connect to lvmetad. Falling back to device scanning.
[16:29] <live>   Volume group "live" not found
[16:29] <live>   Cannot process volume group live
[16:29] <live> grub-install: error: disk `lvm/live-rw' not found.
[16:29] <live> this is the error message I get
[16:31] <ouroumov_> Hmm, see this: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1347375
[16:33] <live> strange, whats LVM..
[16:33] <live> i dont even know I had this on my laptop
[16:34] <ouroumov_> alternatively in the live session you should have a tool called "boot repair", you could try that first
[16:34] <live> should I just follow these commands or do I need to modify them
[16:34] <live> if the commands on from the forums are fine, I will try these first...
[16:36] <ouroumov_> I don't know if they're fine
[16:36] <ouroumov_> I've never been in your situation
[16:36] <ouroumov_> However, I've used boot-repair before
[16:36] <ouroumov_> It doesn't break stuff
[16:37] <live> there is no other way to get past grub rescue?
[16:38] <ouroumov_> Not that I know of, you've welcome to wait for input from an expert, or ask on our community forums.
[16:39] <live> thanks ouroumov_ I read up on this a bit more, will be around here on IRC
[16:40] <live> I wonder how this happened, I just remember running a regular win10 update and suddenly this happened
[16:40] <ouroumov_> Windows 10 has been know to screw with Ubuntu partitions.
[16:41] <ouroumov_> live, see https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/warning-to-dual-booters-reports-that-windows-10-aniversary-update-is-killing-linux-partitions/7942
[16:41] <live> ah shit
[17:08] <Jack_Sparrow__> !abs-quide
[17:08] <Jack_Sparrow__> !find abs-quide
[17:09] <Jack_Sparrow__> !find abs
[19:06] <Ceadda> Occasionally my screen raster goes haywire - finegrained horizontal lines, impossible to recover(unless you know a trick?) other than reboot. Unable to pin it to any particular action. Display driver seems right (Samsung SyncMaster 930B)
[19:07] <ouroumov_> hello Ceadda
[19:07] <ouroumov_> Ceadda, your screen model has nothing to do with the display driver
[19:07] <ouroumov_> check the output of inxi -G
[19:07] <Ceadda> Hang on... trying now
[19:08] <Ceadda> Ok coming up with NVIDIA C61, Display Server X.Org 1.19.3, drivers nouveau
[19:09] <ouroumov_> So maybe you should try to use the proprietary nvidia driver instead
[19:10] <Ceadda> Right - seems to me I was trying to get that nvidia driver on another platform.
[19:10] <Ceadda> You search for that under "Additional Software" right?  Or more direct way?
[19:10] <Ceadda> Forgive my relatively novice approach to Ubuntu/linux
[19:13] <ouroumov_> Software & update settings -> additional drivers
[19:14] <Ceadda> sorry - important phone call
[19:27] <Ceadda> Back - ouroumov, still there?
[19:29] <Ceadda> ouromov - sorry for delay, had to speak with the "GOVERNMENT" - trying to solve a different type of problem.
[19:30] <ouroumov_> Ceadda, yeah, np
[19:30] <Ceadda> I'm in Additional drivers and see it was set to X.Org X server/nouveau driver.  It shows the Nvidia v304.135 driver, will go for it. Seems last time I had a hard time recovering from this.
[19:30] <ouroumov_> hang on
[19:32] <Ceadda> Hanging...     for what it's worth, I worried it was hardware but this machine also runs Windows with no problem at all, so likely a driver issue.
[19:32] <ouroumov_> yeah, there's a newer driver available, maybe worth trying if last time it failed
[19:33] <ouroumov_> See lah7's post here: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/nvidia-issue-nvidia-settings/3254/3?u=ouroumov
[19:33] <Ceadda> Thanks...
[19:34] <Jack_Sparrow__> Use graphic-drivers ppa and install nvidia-381 nvidia-prime nvidia-prime-applet
[19:35] <Ceadda> Ok Jack and ouromov - going the ppa route.  I'll check back in...
[19:38] <Jack_Sparrow__> microcode then reboot if i rem
[19:42] <mate|6138> Hi, could use some assistance getting mate onto microSD
[19:42] <mate|6138> Did the DL for raspberry PI, used 7 zip to unzip the 3 files
[19:43] <mate|6138> when using win32diskimage, I copied the .img file (not the other two) to the SD drive.  IT asked to format and I said yest to FAT32
[19:43] <mate|6138> Did I miss somethiong?
[19:45] <mate|6138> Anyone?
[19:45] <Jack_Sparrow__> yes.. how was img written?
[19:46] <Jack_Sparrow__> im scanning this.. http://www.askvg.com/win32-disk-imager-write-any-bootable-image-to-usb-drive-in-windows/
[19:47] <mate|6138> I just browsed to the img file and selected the usb, then hit the WRITE button
[19:47] <Jack_Sparrow__> did it leave a .img file on the chip
[19:48] <mate|6138> can't tell from windows because windows says the care needs to be formatted when I plug the USB back in.
[19:48] <mate|6138> Should I reformat the USB 1st, then try this again?
[19:49] <Jack_Sparrow__> I cant help you with this...
[19:49] <Jack_Sparrow__> properly wrinting image should not need format.. like writing iso
[19:50] <ouroumov_> mate|6138, hang on a sec
[19:50] <ouroumov_> mate|6138, did you download the image from ubuntu-mate.org ?
[19:50] <mate|6138> I've never used win32diskimage in the past.  Always used RUFUS for this type of thing, but figured it best to follow the directons on ubuntu-mate
[19:51] <mate|6138> YES, d/l from ubuntu-mate
[19:51] <mate|6138> Just 20 mins ago.
[19:52] <ouroumov_> mate|6138, the website says to use ddrescue
[19:53] <ouroumov_> oh, right you're on windows
[19:53] <mate|6138> actually, the D/L was from bytemark, one of their suggested D/L partners.   Yes on Windows
[19:54] <ouroumov_> well sorry I don't know about win32diskimager either
[19:54] <Jack_Sparrow__> mintstick ..
[19:55] <Jack_Sparrow__> http://www.askvg.com/ultimate-collection-of-best-freeware-to-create-bootable-usb-drive-to-install-windows-and-linux/
[19:55] <mate|6138> Will try using RUFUS.  I know that has worked for me in the past.
[19:58] <Ceadda> ouroumov_   I am at NVIDIA version 304.135, thanks for your help
[19:59] <Ceadda> Jack_Sparrow   I tried the "ppa" approach you recommended, and got the same nvidia version 304.135 that was provided under "additional drivers."   I believe I'm all set, will have to see if display raster problem reappears, seemed very random.
[19:59] <Jack_Sparrow__> Ceadda, what nvidis chipdry
[19:59] <Jack_Sparrow__> set
[20:00] <ouroumov_> NVIDIA C61
[20:00] <Jack_Sparrow__> tx
[20:00] <Ceadda> tx both
[20:01] <Ceadda> By the way - if the raster breakage happens, is there a way to recover other than rebooting?
[20:02] <Ceadda> I wondered if I can "function key" out of the graphics, reset something and restart it.
[20:03] <Jack_Sparrow__> load noveau or something
[20:04] <Ceadda> With screen garbled I first have to get out of graphics into command-line mode, if that's possible
[20:05] <Ceadda> Ctrl-Function key?
[20:06] <Ceadda> Anyway - all done, thanks again.
[20:07] <ouroumov_> Ceadda,
[20:07] <ouroumov_> arg
[21:09] <johnSmith> what is a good alternative to ubuntu software center?
[23:39] <rthornton> Interesting bug with both VMware & VirtualBox with Ubuntu as host;  Fedora Cinnamon as a guest always wants to run in a rendering mode.  This is the only virtual machine OS I have tried which does this;  if Windows is the host, then it doesn't happen;  I guess its the video drivers, ?  why is the GL support more limited?
[23:39] <rthornton> its strange because Fedora XFCE runs beautifully as a VM on top of Ubuntu
[23:39] <johnSmith> odd
[23:40] <johnSmith> any idea why?
[23:40] <rthornton> I am using Ubuntu Mate 17.04 now on a fully supported Dell Inspiron 3655 with 16 GB of main memory, 1 Terabyte HD
[23:40] <rthornton> I think the AMD video driver is not as fully functional as its Windows counterpart
[23:41] <rthornton> although this particular Dell is listed as 100% compatible by Ubuntu and is a great box for $300
[23:41] <johnSmith> I mean there are so many posiblities, but its probably a bug with cinaanmon
[23:41] <johnSmith> cinnamon
[23:41] <rthornton> I agree with you John
[23:42] <rthornton> I m just playing with Fedora - I find it less interesting than Ubuntu all around, but its fun to look at others
[23:42] <johnSmith> alternatively it could also be a bug with the drivers, or both cinnamon and the drivers at the same time
[23:42] <johnSmith> or your hardware
[23:43] <johnSmith> might want to tell the cinnamon devs thouhg
[23:43] <johnSmith> though
[23:44] <rthornton> I never tried this box as a Windows box; I kept a Win 10 reinstall thumb drive, and I have tested this on several windows machines with Cinnamon running as desired, not in the rendering mode
[23:44] <rthornton> others on the VMware forums have complained of this since Fedora 20
[23:44] <rthornton> so its an older bug,
[23:45] <rthornton> on a more positive note, Ubuntu Mate 17.04 is really good
[23:46] <rthornton> Best OS I have used on a PC
[23:51] <cikal> morning all, can somebody tell me how to install LAMPP on this os.


[01:38] <fully_human> Hello. I'd like to get involved with bug tacking. I'm to the point of running through this tutorial (https://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/fixing-a-bug-example.html) but I'm a bit confused when I try to find a bug in launchpad to tackle. I see the bug sometimes assigned to a user even though the bug is labeled "NEW" and they date back to 2010.
[01:38] <TheLordOfTime> fully_human:  but don't expect infinitely-prompt responses in heere :p
[01:38] <fully_human> Alright. :)
[01:38] <penguin42> fully_human: 'new' is no one has triaged it
[01:39] <penguin42> fully_human: There are zillions of bugs coming in and not enough people to do anything with them
[01:39] <penguin42> fully_human: All help appreciated!
[01:39] <TheLordOfTime> i think his question, penguin42...
[01:39] <TheLordOfTime> is why there's a "NEW" bug with a user assigned to it already
[01:39] <penguin42> oh with an assigned?
[01:39] <TheLordOfTime> only reaosn i can think of is that they had initially set it as "Incomplete" and were going to handle it.
[01:39] <fully_human> That was part of it, mainly I was wondering when I would step on somebody's toes.
[01:39] <TheLordOfTime> and then it was reset to new.
[01:40] <penguin42> fully_human: which bug?
[01:40] <TheLordOfTime> damn it stop erry-ing me!
[01:40] <TheLordOfTime> penguin42:  ^
[01:41] <TheLordOfTime> ... aw heck, i broke znc's packaging again...
[01:41] <TheLordOfTime> fooey *diverts attention to his local builder*
[01:41] <penguin42> hehe
[01:41] <fully_human> I don't have one in mind specifically: right now I'm browsing launchpad for a bug in order to get my feet wet.
[01:42] <TheLordOfTime> we were asking what bug, because we were going to look at it.
[01:42] <TheLordOfTime> in regards to the "old but assigned" example
[01:42] <penguin42> fully_human: Maybe pick a package you know well, or problem type you've seen
[01:42] <TheLordOfTime> ^ that
[01:45] <TheLordOfTime> problem is a lot of the bugs are highly technical... so you'd need indepth knowledge of the code or debugging for that package.
[01:45] <TheLordOfTime> case in point: most of the php5 bugs are segvs.
[01:45] <fully_human> Ew. :P
[01:46] <fully_human> Yeah, I just discovered one bug with SeaHorse that I might tackle.
[01:46] <TheLordOfTime> link?
[01:47] <fully_human> I mean filestarter.
[01:47] <fully_human> *firestarter.
[01:47] <TheLordOfTime> link?
[01:47] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[01:47] <fully_human> Trying to find a link.
[01:47] <TheLordOfTime> just give us the bug number if you hve it
[01:47] <penguin42> fully_human: If you give a bug number the bot will give the link - e.g. bug 1
[01:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[01:48] <TheLordOfTime> i tend to be more verbose than penguin42...
[01:48] <TheLordOfTime> LP Bug 1113888
[01:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1113888 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "package libreoffice-writer 1:3.6.2~rc2-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: cannot copy extracted data for './usr/lib/libreoffice/program/libswlo.so' to '/usr/lib/libreoffice/program/libswlo.so.dpkg-new': unexpected end of file or stream" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1113888
[01:48] <TheLordOfTime> :)
[01:48] <TheLordOfTime> just as an example :P
[01:48] <penguin42> ah I only prefix if I need to use non-lp
[01:48] <TheLordOfTime> yeah i fell in the habit of autoprefixing
[01:48] <TheLordOfTime> so *I* know which one i'm talking about :P
[01:49] <fully_human> Here's a good one: bug 66674
[01:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 66674 in firestarter (Ubuntu) "--start-hidden not supported" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/66674
[01:50] <fully_human> It's related to the bug I noticed in that there's no unity support.
[01:51] <TheLordOfTime> FYI Wishlist
[01:51] <penguin42> nasty; so the gnome bug was closed as wontfix because from their eyes it's pretty dead
[01:51] <TheLordOfTime> and that's a really old bug
[01:52] <TheLordOfTime> and upstream marked "Won't Fix"
[01:52] <TheLordOfTime>  and tbh i think Firestarter's pretty dead
[01:52] <fully_human> Oh, I just remembered a page on the ubuntu wiki of quick bugs...I forget the URL, though.
[01:52] <fully_human> TheLordOfTime: Yeah, I saw in reviews that it's not maintained anymore...but I wanted a challenge. :)
[01:53] <TheLordOfTime> fully_human:  if upstream doesn't maintain it i think we need to Not a Bug it..
[01:53] <TheLordOfTime> hmm......
[01:53] <TheLordOfTime> so taht's in universe...
[01:53] <penguin42> fully_human: Generally Ubuntu doen't carry patching for docs stuff - it tries to get it upstream
[01:53] <TheLordOfTime> *checks with MOTU*
[01:53] <TheLordOfTime> agreed with penguin42
[01:54] <TheLordOfTime> meh i'll leave motu alone :P
[01:54] <TheLordOfTime> i bother them enough.
[01:54] <fully_human> How about this? bug 874259
[01:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 874259 in shotwell (Ubuntu) "shotwell crashed with SIGSEGV in photo_import_developed_backing_photo()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/874259
[01:54] <TheLordOfTime> wheee segv bugs!
[01:56] <penguin42> segv's are much more fun
[01:56] <fully_human> Yup, I've programmed in C...I know.
[01:56] <TheLordOfTime> i hate em
[01:57] <TheLordOfTime> that doesn't even look like its been upstreamed...
[01:57] <fully_human> Good 'ol valgrind never let me down. :-)
[01:57] <penguin42> fully_human: OK, so reasonably easy to triage; you can set importance, and you can ask the user if it still happens - it's old
[01:57]  * penguin42 loves fixing segfaults - dead easy if they're repeatable
[01:57] <penguin42> but there again I grovel through machine code for fun :-)
[01:57] <TheLordOfTime> penguin42:  correctionL: they can ask to have importance set.  not everyone's bugcontrol like you and I
[01:57] <penguin42> true
[01:58] <fully_human> Cool, thanks.  I may have to head to eat any minute.
[01:58] <fully_human> Thank you for helping me understand this. I can't wait to help! :-)
[01:58]  * TheLordOfTime yawns, and goes to pour himself another cup of coffee
[01:58] <penguin42> (says he sitting with a screenfull of disassembly...)
[01:58] <TheLordOfTime> lol
[02:02] <penguin42> right, time for bed


[08:43] <NRWlion> Morning folks!
[14:39] <nhandler> 6/66
[16:22] <nhandler> Darn. Where is NRWlion when you need him ;)
[17:38] <nhandler> I've gone through and added all Planet Ubuntu summaries
[17:42] <nhandler> I've been using the gdoc since the etherpad was acting up. Feel free to add stuff or edit it


[00:58] <tgBot1> Andrea Vergano was added by: Andrea Vergano
 @Stereofont, hiya Lionel and Dan. I'm uo runningand running
 But am struggling wwith the keyboard.
 to anyone who might be of help regarding the telegram pap itself... After Installing, I click run... And only get a white screen. I tried restarting the phone, but it no workey.
 @hung_er, try to clean the cache of the app and the condig
 With https://uappexplorer.com/app/ut-tweak-tool.sverzegnassi
 https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/395 … The UBports team never has any fun
 @UniversalSuperBox, I like this bit "What's going on here? I need to get this bug fixed fast, so we can close this madness"
 Will all android apps work in anbox?
 I am asking as i just got a problem on my opo where i can't go past boot again for the 4th time in 4 weeks
 So i am thinking of trying UBports for a bit at least
 So which partitions does this format? Does it also format sdcard/storage
 Any update on meltdown and Spectre? As it affects arm ut also will be affected by this!!
 @technicalbird, Does it?
 It does affect arm
[05:32] <tgBot1> Rahmah28 was added by: Rahmah28
 Cool, we have solitaire card games now for UT. 👍
 Tor isn't available on a Libertine Vivid container, Iknow that much. If someone wants to test if it's in the Xenial repos and will boot on UT devices, that would be cool.
 @Andrea Vergano, Welcome Andrea Vergano and @Rahmah28! I'm part of the Welcoming Team. Please look here to get up to speed: https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome and feel free to ask any question, especially in the Newcomers Room!
[08:18] <tgBot1> fabianwoods was added by: fabianwoods
 @AlexiPistonrod, Have you got the binaries at the ready? Should be any day now...
 @fabianwoods, Hello Fabian and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 @milkor73, Thanks Milan
 Also rather foolishly I let my M10 go down to 12% but after two minutes of charge it jumped to 28%. That doesn't seem plausible at all, even faster than USB C let alone Micro so what's up with that?
 @nanu_c, Well its not that easy to make a changelog. With some some 100+ potential repos that contribute to an image, plus upstream changes coming from Canonical´s ARM build. I have no idea right now how we can make a reasonable, not too long changelog every day for this.
 @technicalbird, Canonical has no patches right now, so we also have no way to act. Plus they wont update 15.04 => Backporting this is nearly impossible. The patchset is very complex. So this will be fixed in 16.04 only
 @Flohack, In case you guys want, I can write  small reasonable changelogs everyday by stalking github repos of ubports for announcement.
 @TheImpulson, We think about automation. The problem is for me to even set up such a list :) Its all over the place
[08:39] <tgBot1> Yves Collet was added by: Yves Collet
 Morning, fellow UT groupies!
 So, I'm running a nexus 5 with 15.04 stable. Went to bed last night having closed all apps and turned flight mode on: Battery was at 40%. This morning, 8 hours later, the battery was at 20%. Is this normal?
 (Sticker, 473x512) https://irc.ubports.com/Rt0ER9xK/file_3579
 @Ern_st, Thanks, worked like a charm!
 Additionally, is there a way to modify the keyboard size?
 @Yves Collet, Hello Yves and welcome!  I'm part of the UBports welcoming team.    … To help you get started, please take a look right away at our newcomers welcome page (https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome) and thanks again for joining us! :)
 @Lukas Wolfskin, On 15.04? Stable?
 @Lukas Wolfskin, It is wrong, but I see that on n5 too. I find restarting before switching to flight mode cuts the drain to around 10%. :(
 @Lukas Wolfskin, Pretty much. Battery management is still very much an issue,  though as you see from Seumas' post above, % readout contains a large element of fantasy
 @Lukas Wolfskin, If only… on my tablet the keyboard is gigantic
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/1tUonfJx/file_3591.jpg
 polarr snap
 but you are using unity8 on pc, right?
 yep :D
 ok :)
[11:26] <tgBot1> <Lukas Wolfskin> @Stereofont The telegram issue has been fixed! Thanks
 I'd added e new robot_sticker. Please restart your TG app. 😉
 https://fosdem.org/2018/schedule/event/mir/
 pff can't find any live feeds
 @popescu_sorin, Which device ist this ?
 @FelixWeinzierl, it's a PC
 @popescu_sorin, Ahh😇
 @popescu_sorin, Is anyone from ubports planning to be there?
 Diogo certainly is
 @alan_griffiths, ubports failed to get a stand or talk accepted this year. Not sure if anyone is still going to attend though. @neothethird knows more than i
 @DanChapman, Hehe. What are they afraid if?
 (Photo, 1920x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/9gEfx6pW/file_3599.jpg
 Nexus 5 :P though not a snap :D
[13:01] <tgBot1> Miroslav was added by: Miroslav
 new chapter of the development course
 https://mimecar.gitbooks.io/ubuntu-touch-programming-course/content/en/chapter-06.html
 New app and native development on desktop (with future port to devices)
 There is one more sticker 😎 online now. Please restart your TG app
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/PDv60hFJ/file_3600
 @Javacookies, hehe nice! supertux FTW
 it's quite smooth and playable although I can't make it fullscreen :)
 @alan_griffiths, We applied for a stand and pitched talks, but got rejected. There won't be an "official" presence, but i'm sure some community members will be there. I can't attend, unfortunately...
 After i stopped the Ubuntu Push Client the battery consumtion is normal again on my MX4. No rapid decline anymore.
 Could there be an issue with the push client that it does not go to sleep? It occured after the change to the ubports push server. Should i file a bug report?
 my telegram acted odd that started yesterday, sometime it suddenly stops updating for new messages and when I switch to other chats, only the last message loads, restarting the apps solves it, anyone experienced this?
 incidentally, it started when I logged-in on my other UT device
[13:27] <tgBot1> Hagee0r was added by: Hagee0r
 @Hagee0r, Welcome Hager0r! Ask questions, join in. Glad to have you in our community. https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome for lots of newcomer information 🚪
 @Lukas Wolfskin, Which one?
 hello all I need help with installation of UT on Nexus5
 @Hagee0r, Please join the Welcome Room
 ok thanks
 @Hagee0r, Icelandic? 😀
 Polish
 @Hagee0r, Cool. We need a Polish language group
 Any other Poles here??
 UT is almost unknown in Pl
 That will change! Anbox and KDE!
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIGutmeAE3I nice
 @DanChapman, CONSPIRACY!!!!!
 @neothethird, CRASH THE PARTY!  AIR DROP UBUNTU TOUCH BROCHURES!  LEAVE NO ONE UNTOUCHED!
 @samzn, Who would want to run Google Chrome at all??
 @Stereofont, Netflix... :(
 ... is there a netflix alternative or a way to view with firefox?  I'm guessing 'no' thanks to their nasty DRM?
 Doesn't firefox support DRM in the latest version?
 yes you can
 and you could even make a standalone wrapper with widevine
 but why would you want to give them money :D
 i know
 but is there alternative online movie viewing service that is more ethical? I know pureflix is good for families (better).  Personally i almost never watch movies but when i do I use my buddy's netflix login.  I water down their money
 but sadly this discussion will remain if my questions are unanswered.  Ubuntu purists would give it up, but most people wouldn't at this point without alternative so for markeitng UT we do need some answers.
 @mimecar, That's a really great approach. I hope it gathers a few more developers, it should certainly make it easier for those without devices to get going.
 @popescu_sorin, Ok now I got the problem that when I try to run the build, an empty dialog appears with the title "Unknown error"
 @derjasper, it seems also that the QML files are not copies to the build directory.. so building the stuff does basically nothing
 @padraic7a, I know one guy in this group who fits this category.  He really wanted to get started but could not afford a device.
 @Stereofont, Hi do i need to set the option OEM unlock on before flash the Fairphone 2 with UT ?
 @wayneoutthere, No idea for Netflix but my Amazon Prime works fine with Firefox. I just have to enable DRM content in preferences.
 Anyone installed today's 16.04 on hammerhead? Mine isn't booting anymore.
 @Xray2000, Do you mean SIM lock because you got your FP2 together with a contract?
 Nu into the extra settings you have OEM unlock but i think it should be on itś flqsh now ;)
 @Xray2000, Enable developer options. Allow USB debugging. Unlock OEM. Make MTP mode default
 Ok thanks Lioenlb ;)
[14:19] <tgBot1> Rafa was added by: Rafa
 @nfsprodriver, nope, but thanks for the heads-up, now I won't update 😜
 just kidding, I'll try it and see, it's easy to just reinstall
 Okay, thanks!
 Just reflashed it. Booting now ;)
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/P2W0WZuF/file_3601.webp
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/DSE7k0uj/file_3600
 Is that a chainsaw?
 or a co**?
 Safety glasses 😎
 @Stereofont, To skin your ass raw.
 Graphic 😱
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/LhmAhxeM/file_3603.jpg
 16.04 just landed for me on stable
 You are the MEN
 Hows going?
 @malditobastardo, Thank you maldito
 I'm doing fine
 How are you?
 Good good, happy to see you here for good!
 Yunit is in a dead end sadly
 @malditobastardo, Yeah I heard
 @Flohack, Doesn't matter anyway, since stock kernel isn't used. 14.04 patches might be applicable, but someone also needs to update oxide to chromium 64 base. Firefox also needs updated, for libertine users
 @Georgecloon, 😂
 @malditobastardo, Oh, that's a pity
 @malditobastardo, What happened there?
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 @wayneoutthere, feel free to do that, but i don't have time then :/
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 was there a news that yunit has been discontinued?
 @malditobastardo, oh.  but isn't Unity 8 rolling?
 @Javacookies, No nothing, thats the thing. There arent any updates since almost 2-3 months, and Jsalatas is not even answering messages anymore, Idk. I just feel that Ubports now has the leading when speaking about Unity8 in desktop too..
 that's actually what I worry about, Unity8 is mostly about convergence, and having two teams to continue it would be tricky, yunit team can't decide to do add or change something without consulting UBports and vice versa
 They made unity8 compatible with xenial and qt 5.9 months ago and I dont know if that has a purpose tbh because now Marius did the same, I dont know if he used the base from the work of Yunit or not
 perhaps Marius has idea about yunit status that's he's been doing desktop stuffs lately? 👿
 @Javacookies, Yeah maybe.
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 Guys i rea just now that mapzen will shut down in february 2018. If i remember correctly unav is based on mapzen...
 yes
 Marcos as already warned about that
 this is a real problem
 let me check if there're news about this
 Can it switch to OpenStreetMap?
 in theory but would lose tons of functionality and service is very unreliable
 I'm talking with Marcos
 the problem is that the services that are for free are bad
 the others very expensive
[18:23] <doniks> Is there a lesson that can be learned from OSMAnd? It's a foss mapping app for Android using OSM
 with OSM you only have car navigation
 Foot also
 And bike
 Closure is on 1 February
 mapbox offers service for free for GNOME Maps
 Marcos has contacted them in the past but got no repply
 excuse me, is there a group in Spanish?
 Someone must know someone?  We are 1200 here
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 oh it's live
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOLji6g3ONc
 I'm taking notes. It's still open for anyone else to contribute!
 Thanks @exar_kun.  Yes please, we need a note-taker person for the community updates.
 Or a live blogger/tweeter
 Hey... are those new Yumi stickers behind you, Marius?  :)
 wow. cool man
 Thats wild :)
 got that rumour, Joe? :)
 https://yunit.io/yunit-project-updates-20170917/
 how does Yunit relate to Unity 8?
 . Having Yunit running in an LTS distro (16.04) and also an LTS Qt base (5.9) will greatly benefit UBPorts who are currently seeking to move Ubuntu Touch to an LTS version
 Good to know, thank you Marius
 @mariogrip Latest 16.04/devel for hammerhead broke my Wifi.
 Forum questions?
 How can we get Ubports unity 8 ?
 How we can compile own kernel and install it? Is there guide for it?
 for desktop?
 convergence + unity 8 + ?
 https://forums.ubports.com/topic/863/ubports-community-update-20-january-6-2018/10
 i still don't understand yunit
 I don't either.
 Unity 8 vs Yunit
 Yunit was the hope to maintain alive unity8 on desktop and help with the convergence for ubports
 but doing that separately doesn't make much sense
 exactly
 @malditobastardo, so now Unity 8 is back alive and will take over again from Yunit?
 that goes against the whole point of convergence
 it was a waste of time
 @nfsprodriver, I think this is related to the deprecation of device files moving to ubuntu overlay. Also the 50% battery went back. Will it be easy to merge the former fixes to N5 kernel (halium)?
 true... unity8 is a better 'brand'\
 Question from the Forum:
[19:22] <doniks> Have the questions from the forum post been answered yet?
 twinkybot about 8 hours ago … Questions: …     Will someone work on GPS? uNav and Browser (maps.google) lead to restarts and makes therefore the usage very hard. Also the bad update of positions makes the navigation useless. …     OTA-3 lead to more battery drainage. Any comments or reasons and or possible fixes+ …     advances on dekko 2? …     browserstatus of nextcloud integration, files sync also with browser
 unity 8 revive, praise Mir and its compatibility with Wayland that ensures its future in Ubuntu
 @mariogrip : UMatriks development ?
 @milkor73, yeah! the stable 'grip test'
 unless @DanChapman is on the update call, i guess the dekko question can't be answer too well
 other question: can you do sometihng to help Marcos Costales with unav navigation?
 due to the mapzen closure
 How about fixes to Spectre and Meltdown vulnerabilities? Are our phones affected?
 @samitormanen, Meltdown is Intel only.
 Ok.
 Intel + (amd)?
 Spectre will likely need backports of kernel patches, as well as rebasing oxide on chromium 64 when it's released.
 @malditobastardo, no, just Intel
 Thanks Rodney
 firefox also needs updated, for people using it in libertine
 @milkor73, This is a must. :)
 [question]: Will there be a desktop version? an distro?
 So your saying my N5 is too underpowered.. and the battery would die, before anyone got Spectre to work! LOL  :)))
[19:37] <doniks> [QUESTION] Will you answer the questions on the forum?
 @doniks, Lol
 Such meta question
 "May I ask you a question?" … "You just did."
 Typical lol
 any update on the foundation?
 What exactly is a "soft" brick? 🤔
 🎉🍾🎉🏆🎖
 show us the chair jumping
 @Crash_Burn, bootloop
 uMatriks?
 news on umatriks yes!
 griptest
 where is it?
 griptest!
 we want the grip test! we want the grip test!
 Just like having a baby...you will never be ready ;)  You just have to make the jump.  We can help in the community.
 Our most essential app for communication
 We will never leave you UBports!  You can't let us down :)
 $2M is nothing for this kind of thing.
 OEM designed for Ubuntu Touch is best
 plus then the development mighjt follow the hardware too mjuch
 Everyone download/install/use the "Say Ubuntu" app ;)
 yah! wasssup wit dat???
 GRIPTEST!
 @wayneoutthere, Context? (Sorry not watching update at moment)
 İs there anybody ported ubuntu touch to lg g3 intl?
 ha
 no listen to the next audiocast and you will know how we will ping you
 needles
 Shrug okay then I'm better not informed
 Wait... you know we cut those trees down right!??
 cones
 Freckles
 bye bye
 thank you all
 @bhushanshah, purism
 Thanks guys!! 🤘
 @wayneoutthere, Shameless plug lol
 No. it's to fix Marius
 @bhushanshah, hardware
 Okay, anyway as I've complained/nudged earlier, please written updates.. :)
 how about you watch it with us buddy????
 anyway @exar_kun will try to do notes
 we are looking for note taker
 (yeah yeah English, blah blah)
 @wayneoutthere, I've no problem with watching but yeah
 we're doing our best to help with this
 Sorry, but I'm not only with this issue probably...
 shoudl get better soon
 @bhushanshah, judging by size of language groups you might be right
 I mean I've no shame to admit that I still watch movies with subtitles.. even if my written English is far better.. English hearing is meh
 multiple people with different accents talking in english at the same time, is definitely hard to follow
 even for someone who is used to such things and is a native speaker
 @bhushanshah, yeah, it's no shame.  i teach ESL
 but it's hard to find time that's all
 but we're going to try to take notes, and get it published sooner
 final reminder: if you can help with this, please ping us
 @bhushanshah, heh. I watched Agent Raghav a few weeks ago. it was hard to follow even with subtitles, because the spoken english didn't match the subtitles :)
 I am now really thinking of trying out ubports as Lineage keeps getting stuck on the boot animation till i delete System/Data and reflash it so wich partitions will the ubports installer Format exactly and how's the performance on the oneplus one? And are all standard android apps supported in anbox?
 anbox support isn't ready yet
 i imagine some android apps won't like being confined
 installing ubports will replace all the data on your phone
 @dohbee, All of the Google ones 😂
 So it will also format the sdcard/ media partition :(
 @Stereofont, well, anything that really depends on push notifications or having a background service, are probably not going to work as well as they do on android
 @XavierXX, Dual boot is not a supported or reliable option. You cannot use TWRP
 @dohbee, I agree
 @dohbee, Yes I agree
 There are several apps on my BQ E4.5 that I have never used and seem to be the same  as the ones that were part of the UT the phone originaly came with. I've not found a way to remove them but would like to. Reddit, Yahoo! Finance, 7 Digital and Weather Channel amongst others could all usefully be got rid of...
 @Mark, scopes and apps
 Are you still on the Canonical image?
 @Mark, If you open the OpenStore app and go to My Apps, click on the app you don't want and remove it in the dialog?
 some scopes were not removable (they were also not on your system, either). but you can just unfavorite them in dash scope management, and ignore them otherwise
 @dohbee, Thanks for explication, I was wondering why they are there whenever they do not work. That's it is. Thanks
 if Canonical has taken the smart scopes server offline, i would think those scopes should just disappear from phones too, maybe after a reboot
 @dohbee, Cheers, I'd already unfavourited them but thought I'd ask as, although not an issue requiring the attention of our developers, it is a peculiar thing to have software I don't need and can't remove. I've been ignoring them since they came with the phone and was surprised to see them still included on OTA 2 and 3.
 @Stereofont, Not that simple as Rodney has pointed out.
 @Mark, are you still on the canonical image? or on ubports?
 @dohbee, Been on UBports image for a while now and it has been on all three OTAs.
 which ones are apps? my nexus5 has no network, so it can't hit the smart scopes server, which means i don't see them anyway
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 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/l1Ud3cZA/file_3618.jpg
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/Td4GLLq4/file_3620.jpg
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/TmbxZb0I/file_3622.png
 Also N5
 ok those are all scopes, not apps
 @dohbee, Yes scopes
 and yeah, the ones without icons are i guess, the smart scopes which are actually running on canonical server
 But reboot keep them like this, did not dessapear
 @dohbee, As I say not wishing to distract anyone from important development.
 Me the same as Mark
 @milkor73, ok, maybe there is something cached then, or the server is halfway there
 really, the smart scopes stuff should probably get removed from ubports
 Open library doesnt have an icon on yours, yet it does on mine 🤔
 @Mark, In case anyone wondered why I have the second SIM locked it is my work SIM and I'm not at work! I reboot and don't put in the SIM pin when requested. I'll put it on again on Monday morning :)
 @PhoenixLandPirate, I noticed Milan has some icons I no longer have.
 @Mark, Smart idea lol
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 @Flohack, Partly battery saving as there is no mobile phone signal out here in the wilds of Scotland (a Femtocell on our 512kb/s maximum "broadband" gives a signal for my own SIM but my work is on a different network). No point leaving it hunting for a signal. Is the option of selecting different tones/rings for the different SIMs unavailable as it would need a BQ kernel rewrite to implement or is it something which may appear in the future?
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 how can I run Unity 8 from the ubports repository?
 using the script?
 which script?
 https://github.com/ubports/unity8-desktop-install-tools
 thanks
 @Mark, Just a missing userspace feature
 tested
 unity 8 doesn't run very well uder kvm
 will try latter with real hw installation on usb disk
 graphics might be the issue
 Works okayish under kvm here
 no to me
 very slow, hard to hit things with the mouse
 most apps only open window but don't do nothing
 but this last is expected
 I believe
 Mouse movement takes a bit to sync. I think a new qemu fixes that
 hum
 I running on 16.04
 well I guess this deservs aniother try
 Move the mouse slowly across the vm window, to each edge
 another day
 Then mouse should be ok
 now I have a meeting
 thks for the tip
 Browser doesn't work, because needs rebuilt against new qt
 But you can set up libertine with Firefox and it should work (until it crashes)
 eheh
 Having problems with Unity * on desktop in VirtualBox. Mouse difficult to control. It is a wireless mouse. Is wired likely to be more successful?
 *Unity 8
 What is the current state of 16.04?