[06:17] <jibel> hi all
[06:44] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:48] <sarnold> good morning oSoMoN :) looks like mozilla's got an interesting way of greeting you in the morning https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/11/scammers-are-exploiting-an-unpatched-firefox-bug-to-send-users-into-a-panic/
[06:57] <oSoMoN> good morning sarnold, thanks for the pointer. looks like there might be a 70.0.2 release with a fix, when there's one
[06:58] <sarnold> oSoMoN: cool, thanks :)
[07:03] <didrocks> good morning
[07:04] <jibel> salut didrocks and all
[07:05] <didrocks> salut jibel
[07:11] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks , jibel
[07:12] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN
[08:09] <seb128> gooood morning desktopers
[08:17] <didrocks> hey seb128
[08:17] <seb128> lut didrocks, comment ça va aujourd'hui ?
[08:17] <didrocks> ça va, et toi ?
[08:20] <seb128> ça va bien
[08:26] <marcustomlinson> morning jibel oSoMoN didrocks seb128
[08:28] <didrocks> good morning marcustomlinson
[08:30] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, how are you?
[08:30] <marcustomlinson> seb128: no too bad, you?
[08:31] <marcustomlinson> over your bug yet?
[08:32] <marcustomlinson> the stomach one, not the ones in ubuntu :P
[08:34] <seb128> haha
[08:35] <seb128> I'm feeling better, eating almost normally again so hopefully it's fully over by tomorrow, thanks for asking!
[08:35] <marcustomlinson> good to hear, try to take it easy
[08:40] <seb128> trying, but there is always too much to do :-)
[08:41] <marcustomlinson> that's the point I guess.  Used to be a timeout that maybe isn't enough for snaps though?
[15:24] <hellsworth> good morning everyone
[15:24] <Trevinho> hi hellsworth
[15:25] <oSoMoN> Trevinho, yeah, I guess the timeout isn't long enough for snaps
[15:26] <oSoMoN> Trevinho, afaict in gnome-shell when the desktop file disappears, the entry isn't removed from the favourites, but the launcher simply doesn't display it, so when the desktop file appears again, the icon re-appears
[15:26] <oSoMoN> I'd argue this is better
[15:27] <oSoMoN> (than a timeout)
[15:27] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth
[15:27] <hellsworth> hi folks. hope you all are having a nice day :)
[15:27] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, that's way too cool to be a password anyway, right?
[15:29] <kenvandine> lol
[15:29] <Trevinho> oSoMoN: well, longer timeout can be still a thing
[15:29] <Trevinho> is an easy fix
[15:30] <kenvandine> his harddrive sounds terrible... he brought his PC over hoping I can copy some files off of it for him
[15:30] <kenvandine> clanking sounds... not good
[15:30] <marcustomlinson> been there done that haha
[15:30] <kenvandine> gonna try with a live ubuntu session :)
[15:30] <marcustomlinson> now and then when the copying freezes, just whack it
[15:30] <oSoMoN> Trevinho, sure, that would be a decent band-aid, but it would still be racy on slow systems (like my 16.04 VM)
[15:31] <kenvandine> just keeps getting a BSOD
[15:31] <oSoMoN> Trevinho, how much do you think the timeout can be increased? will the launcher hide an icon if the desktop file doesn't exist?
[15:32]  * mgedmin tried to focus firefox and instead got an unexpected JS ERROR: TypeError: malformed UTF-8 character sequence at offset 0 and gnome-shell segfaulted
[15:35] <Laney> sounds like a bug to be reported if it's not already (ideally upstream too, unless it comes from an extension)
[15:35] <Trevinho> oSoMoN: probably even a minute is fine
[15:35] <Trevinho> oSoMoN: but should probably hidden before
[15:36] <mgedmin> I tried, but ubuntu-bug thinks it's unreportable because some apt packages (rygel) are outdated
[15:36] <mgedmin> there's an .upload file in /var/crash so maybe the crash dump got uploaded somewhere
[15:38] <oSoMoN> Trevinho, I think a minute would do the trick, yes
[15:39] <oSoMoN> Trevinho, shall I assign to you? or do you want me to submit a merge request for it?
[15:39] <Trevinho> oSoMoN: if you can, would be nice
[15:39] <oSoMoN> ack, I'll put it in my to-do list (low priority though)
[15:44] <didrocks> mvo: hey, when you have time, a very easy MP to end a day/a week: https://github.com/snapcore/go-gettext/pull/3 :)
[15:44] <gitbot> snapcore issue (Pull request) 3 in go-gettext "Add go.mod file" [Open]
[15:44] <seb128> didrocks, did you ever notice that the default layout in a French install is 'fr (alternate obsolete)'
[15:44] <seb128> I just noticed when installing that new laptop
[15:45] <didrocks> seb128: it has always been the alternate layout, no?
[15:45] <seb128> I though it was supposed to be 'fr (alternate)'
[15:45] <didrocks> wasn't marked obselete in my memory though
[15:45] <seb128> right
[15:45] <didrocks> there are 2?
[15:46] <seb128> well obsolete/current default is fr+latin9
[15:46] <didrocks> or it's just the same being marked as obselete?
[15:46] <seb128> the alternate and correct one is fr+oss
[15:46] <didrocks> argh
[15:46] <seb128> seems like we regressed that in artful
[15:46] <didrocks> wondering what changed
[15:46] <didrocks> yeah
[15:46] <seb128> if the code issue is what I though
[15:46] <didrocks> but yeah, I'm 100% sure we were using fr+oss before
[15:46] <seb128> c_yphermox dropped a part of the console-setup ubuntu delta to change that in artful
[15:47] <seb128> I just wonder why we didn't notice before if that's the pb
[15:47] <seb128> I need to do a bionic install...
[15:47] <didrocks> let me check, I thought I installed that box on bionic
[15:47] <didrocks> Ubuntu 18.04 LTS "Bionic Beaver" - Release amd64 (20180426)
[15:47] <didrocks> ok, so I reinstalled that one on bionic
[15:48] <didrocks> I don't remember if I selected alternate myself though
[15:48] <seb128> gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.input-sources sources ?
[15:48] <didrocks> [('xkb', 'fr+oss')]
[15:48] <seb128> k, weird
[15:48] <seb128> thx for checking
[15:48] <didrocks> yw, so maybe a regression that happened later?
[15:49] <didrocks> it could be that I reselected it automatically
[15:49] <didrocks> but I don't remember this
[15:49] <seb128> I think I would have noticed if it was labelled (obsolete) in the bionic installer
[15:49] <didrocks> same
[15:49] <seb128> so maybe we had another override
[15:49] <didrocks> but it seems I didn't notice in VM previous cycles…
[15:49] <seb128> right, I don't know when it started
[15:49] <didrocks> when using it for a while (so not a VM), I would definitively notice
[15:49] <didrocks> because of "…"
[15:50] <seb128> latin9 (the current default) is not far from oss
[15:50] <seb128> so maybe "…" is working for it as well
[15:50] <seb128> anyway, I will dig a bit
[15:50] <seb128> & add back that delta that got dropped by error
[15:50] <seb128> didrocks, thx for the replies :)
[15:50] <didrocks> yw ;)
[15:50] <didrocks> keep me posted
[15:53] <seb128> I will do!
[15:54] <mvo> didrocks: thank you!


[00:06] <logan0405> Hi anyone know a way to disable touchpad when typing?
[00:10] <Remoboth> logan0405 -  YEs.
[00:10] <Remoboth> logan0405 -  GIve me a second.
[00:10] <logan0405> Hey I found it one the lubuntu wiki just now...
[00:10] <logan0405> trying to configure my touchpad to work well heheh
[00:10] <logan0405> can't get sensitivity quite right
[00:10] <Remoboth> logan0405 -  https://launchpad.net/touchpad-indicator
[00:12] <logan0405> FingerLow must be less that FingerHigh?
[00:13] <logan0405> Can't get my double tapping to work
[00:13] <logan0405> I'm gonna restart
[00:16] <logan0405> strange... double tapping doesnt work when I press alt to move windows
[00:16] <logan0405> But it works fine when I click mousepad in
[00:18] <logan0405> I have to double tap really hard when holding alt
[00:18] <logan0405> So weird
[00:18] <logan0405> Once I have grabbed the window once, and continue holding alt tapping works normally
[00:19] <logan0405> Anyone know what might be going on?
[00:21] <logan0405> Oh you know what
[00:21] <logan0405> I see whats happening
[00:21] <logan0405> disable touchpad while typing causes it
[00:21] <logan0405> heheh
[00:22] <logan0405> alright theres an option to allow modifier keys, nice synaptics well done
[00:29] <Remoboth> Final issue... I have a game called "Criticalmass" listed in my start menu list that I thought I Deleted...  I'm wondering how pcmanfm works as desktop application
[00:37] <logan0405> looking to replace it with terminal and auto gain focus
[00:39] <Remoboth> ianorlin -  Got it! Thank you.
[00:51] <logan0405> i love lxde
[01:32] <mapppps> hi all
[01:32] <mapppps> W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring/universe/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[01:32] <mapppps> but the url is fine? opened in ffox?
[01:35] <Unit193> !eolupgrades | mapppps
[03:56] <sameeroak> hello
[03:56] <sameeroak> i want to mount /tmp with noexec flag. but my /etc/fstab doesn't have entry for /tmp
[03:57] <sameeroak> can someone please tell me how to add an entry of /tmp in /etc/fstab. my /etc/mtab shows and entry for /tmp with tmpfs fs.
[04:03] <holstein> !fstab
[04:03] <holstein> sameeroak: you can follow any ubuntu guides you find
[04:03] <holstein> though, you may be able to outline the larger goal you have, and get a "better" suggestion
[04:04] <sameeroak> holstein: thank you very much for your reply. i'm not being able to find an entry in /etc/fstab
[04:04] <sameeroak> holstein: i simply want to remount /tmp with noexec flag.
[04:05] <holstein> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,noatime,mode=1777 0 0
[04:05] <sameeroak> i've this virtual machine, ubuntu 14
[04:05] <holstein> ^ thats my default line from fstab
[04:05] <holstein> 14.04*
[04:05] <sameeroak> yes.
[04:05] <holstein> anyways, you can just use the mount commands, you dont *have* to use fstab..
[04:05] <sameeroak> holstein: so you mean, can i just go ahead and add this line in fstab and reboot the machine, right?
[04:06] <holstein> sameeroak: i cant say, since, i dont know anything about your setup
[04:06] <sameeroak> holstein: i know, it used the mount command to start with. however, it threw the error:
[04:06] <holstein> sameeroak: you say, you dont have the entry, thats the entry i have.. you can add it, and edit the flags, and know how to edit/fix fstab if you break it
[04:06] <sameeroak> root@crtqa-virtual-machine:~# mount -o remount,noexec /tmp
[04:06] <sameeroak> mount: can't find /tmp in /etc/fstab
[04:06] <holstein> or, just mount with the mount command..
[04:06] <ricanlinux> hey does anyone know if the lubuntu project will continue with powerpc development? I know on the site it states you staying with LTS releases. Just curios to see if it just stay with 14.04
[04:07] <holstein> !ppc
[04:07] <holstein> ricanlinux: its a community project, anyways
[04:07] <sameeroak> holstein: it's a virtual machine.
[04:08] <sameeroak> holstein: do you want to see the output of df -lPh ?
[04:08] <holstein> sameeroak: sure, i get that, friend.. virtual machines have virtual filesystems..
[04:08] <sameeroak> holstein: that's the problem, you've got that correct. so how can i remount /tmp then?
[04:09] <ricanlinux> i know it is a community project, so does that mean that questions on Lubuntu PPC are addressed here?
[04:09] <ricanlinux> are not i mean
[04:10] <holstein> ricanlinux: correct. its not an "official" port, generally.. but, as long as *any* ubuntu is released, for ppc, there should be lxde in the repos, and you can install
[04:11] <ricanlinux> ok thanks
[04:12] <holstein> sameeroak: do *you* see it listed in fstab?
[04:20] <sameeroak> holstein: no. that's the problem.
[04:20] <holstein> sameeroak: then, i would simply try adding it, and reboot, or, look into why you dont have it
[04:21] <sameeroak> holstein: i tried to find out, but didn't get any specific reason. as you've suggested, i'll try to add the entry as you showed in first couple of messages.
[06:40] <hyde> Hi, I need to edit remote files over ssh (with pubkey auth) from Lubuntu desktop. Can I easily get the remote mounted as filesystem, or is there an editor which can do it directly over ssh?
[06:40] <hyde> (I mean, I can do this the hard way, I'm looking for an easy way under Lubuntu, and didn't find anything under the desktop menu)
[06:41] <ianorlin> hyde: which editor?
[06:42] <ianorlin> you can mount in pcmanfm with sftp and then editing it should work I think
[06:43] <hyde> ianorlin: ah, looks like it's there. I didn't think to look inside pcmanfm. Thanks!
[07:15] <sameeroak> friends, any go start up companies in europe?
[07:15] <sameeroak> i'm start ups working in go?
[07:17] <ianorlin> sameeroak: this is a support channel for lubuntu I don't know about go companies and don't know of any user facing packages in lubuntu written in go by default
[07:25] <sameeroak> ianorlin: extremely sorry, i wanted to post the message to #go-nuts. posted here by mistake. again, extremely sorry.
[07:31] <ianorlin> oh that makes more sense
[11:00] <whytrytofly> hello
[11:01] <whytrytofly> does anyone know how to addsome free space from a partition that i deleted to my lubuntu partition
[15:50] <Gibarian> Any dropbox user around?
[15:57] <holstein> Gibarian: yes
[16:11] <Gibarian> Do you know if the white box issue (tray icon in white box) has been solved?
[16:12] <Gibarian> In the current Lubuntu release
[16:20] <holstein> Gibarian: i would ask the creators, or just try it.. i dont think its anything that lubuntu can solve, specifically, though, with all the GTK changes, i would expect "issues" for a bit
[16:21] <Gibarian> holstein: ok
[17:18] <jay8347> what is the command to disable the webcam on a laptop
[17:23] <holstein> !blacklist
[17:24] <holstein> or, you may find you can disable  it in the bios..
[17:24] <holstein> jay8347: whats the goal? you'll likely find that, you dont need to disable components like that, in linux, in regard to system resources
[17:25] <jay8347> i tried to black list uvcvideo and it also disabled my keyboard
[17:25] <jay8347> my goal is i want my webcam to always be turned off
[17:25] <holstein> jay8347: sure.. so, can you disable it in the bios?
[17:25] <jay8347> i do not think I have that option
[17:26] <jay8347> i was looking for a way to shut it off in linux ............if possible
[17:26] <holstein> jay8347: maybe check and see, since, that will be off.. also, a piece of tape is easy
[17:26] <holstein> jay8347: its "off" in linux, if you are not using it
[17:26] <jay8347> well i guess I do not want a hacker to be able to turn it on
[17:27] <holstein> jay8347: you guess? why not try and "hack" your machine and turn it on?
[17:27] <jay8347> I cant hack my machine I am not skillful enough
[17:28] <holstein> anyways, you can simply blacklist, or disable in the bios.. but, if a "hacker" had access, then could just undo the blacklist, and hide that they did that.. so, *if* you are worried about 'hackers', a software solution is likely not going to address that
[17:28] <jay8347> I was thinking via the internet a hacker could turn my cam on and spy on me or turn the mic on etc...
[17:28] <holstein> jay8347: sure, and unblacklist, or, what about injecting something into the uefi bootloader to renable in the bios?
[17:28] <jay8347> Module                  Size  Used by ctr                    13049  2  ccm                    17731  2  snd_hda_codec_hdmi     47547  1  snd_hda_codec_realtek    77185  1  snd_hda_codec_generic    68914  1 snd_hda_codec_realtek joydev                 17344  0  acer_wmi               32522  0  sparse_keymap          13948  1 acer_wmi hid_multitouch         17419  0  rfcomm                 69509  8  bnep                   19543  2  uv
[17:29] <holstein> jay8347: if i have "hacked" your machine, you cant lock me out of the webcam like that
[17:29] <jay8347> i cant locate the module
[17:29] <holstein> jay8347: it doesnt matter.. it doesnt address the issue
[17:29] <jay8347> i see
[17:29] <jay8347> so the bios route is the best route
[17:29] <holstein> you will want to purchase hardware that doesnt have it, or remove it physically.. or get a small piece of tape
[17:30] <holstein> you can damage it, permanently.. you will likely want to "break" or disable/remove the microphone, as well
[17:31] <jay8347> i was just curious about it.  i guess I will just see if it can be disabled in the bios, if not then i will just put a piece of tape
[17:31] <holstein> also, try and see what legitimately can happen
[17:32] <holstein> like, what does it actually take to do that? typically, on a linux machine, running things *not* as root, and having "good" permissions stops all of that
[17:32] <jay8347> why is it when I do modprobe -r uvcvideo my keyboard stops working ?
[17:32] <holstein> or, dramatically decreases it
[17:32] <holstein> if, say, someone wants to target you, specifically, and has deep enough pockets, there is really nothing you can do
[17:33] <jay8347> well i am not some big corp or a million dollar man............so i assume no one will be targeting me at that level
[17:33] <holstein> jay8347: sure, and thats the issue... "assuming"
[17:33] <jay8347> my cousin was surfing a porn site and the porn site popped up an ad that took a pic of him using his cam
[17:33] <holstein> its alwasy good to try and get as factual as you can about the actual risks, and what they are
[17:34] <holstein> jay8347: sure.. and, how did that happen? running the web browser as administrator? not patching? agreeing to that by clicking a button? etc..
[17:34] <holstein> i mean, bad things happen..
[17:34] <jay8347> yea for sure
[17:35] <holstein> but, try and not live in fear.. look for the facts, and know the risks
[17:35] <jay8347> i mean he has windows 8
[17:35] <holstein> address them.. even if that means *not* going online
[17:35] <jay8347> i went to linux because i didnt want to go to windows 8
[17:35] <holstein> so, running windows 8 as an admin user, that can easily happen
[17:35] <holstein> are you running as admin? not on a stock lubuntu install..
[17:36] <holstein> and, im not saying "oh, trust me, you are safe".. im saying, check and see for yourself
[17:36] <jay8347> i do not know the answer to that question.   I do know that it if i type in sudo it then asks for my pass
[17:36] <jay8347> if i run as admin does it never prompt me for a pass
[17:37] <holstein> jay8347: sure, so, when you dont know, then, ask, and look and see
[17:37] <jay8347> i am new to linux, so far I have limited command abilities, reminds me of the days of DOS terminal
[17:37] <holstein> *that* is a simple way for an attacker to gain access to hardware.. the user is running *everything* as admin
[17:37] <holstein> !sudo
[17:37] <holstein> try and not expect to solve all these issues in such a short time
[17:38] <jay8347> can a person hack linux ?
[17:38] <holstein> i mean, if you were running windows, before, as admin, and you move to stock lubuntu, you are already in much better shape
[17:38] <holstein> jay8347: of course
[17:38] <holstein> but, you dont *have* to "hack" anything.. you just have to gain access
[17:38] <jay8347> would they need to use a brute force password thing to hack linux
[17:38] <holstein> that can be done by someone tricking you into running a sudo command
[17:38] <jay8347> wouldnt they need my password
[17:39] <holstein> jay8347: i dont need to brute force anything, if i get you to run a "magic" sudo command..
[17:39] <BBA> Salut !
[17:39] <holstein> jay8347: you would be the one inputing the password, and trusting the command, for example
[17:39] <jay8347> what do the hackers use a keylogger ?
[17:39] <holstein> or, not understanding what it does.. or, trying to install something
[17:39] <holstein> jay8347: to capture keystrokes.. such as sensitive passwords
[17:39] <holstein> BBA: o/
[17:39] <jay8347> oh so the hacker gets the pass when you put it in on a server
[17:40] <BBA> How to upgrade Lubuntu 14.04 to Lubuntu 15.04 please ?
[17:40] <jay8347> like if i do sudo apt-get install ?
[17:40] <holstein> BBA: you cant, easily.. you can simply reinstall, or upgrade to 14.10, then 15.04. i suggest backing up, regardless, before doing either.. and i suggest waiting til 16.04, which *will* upgrade straight from 14.04
[17:41] <holstein> jay8347: no.. those are typically, "in repo" packages.. "safe and tested".. as much as they can be
[17:41] <BBA> Okay, thanks
[17:41] <BBA> Do you know when the 16.04 version will be available ?
[17:41] <holstein> jay8347: the issue would be, sudo some_secret_script.you.dowload
[17:41] <jay8347> why did microsoft windows get big but linux didnt ?
[17:41] <holstein> BBA: the first number, 16, is the year, the second, 04 is the month
[17:42] <holstein> jay8347: there is no "linux".. its not a company, selling you a product
[17:42] <BBA> holstein: I have to wait for a long time !
[17:42] <holstein> its just the community project, and the kernel that is produced.. android *did* get "big", selling and utlizing the linux kernel
[17:42] <holstein> BBA: no, you can do what you like, friend.. install 15.04, if you want..
[17:43] <holstein> !lts
[17:43] <holstein> 14.04 and 16.04 are long term support releases.. 5 years uptime on the sources
[17:43] <BBA> I think I will test it, maybe will my old notebook die but I prefer
[17:43] <holstein> if you want the "in between normal release" go for it. you'll upgrade from 14.04, to 14.10, to 15.04
[17:43] <holstein> i would expect about 4 hours per step
[17:44] <BBA> And thanks to you I ready for my english exam tomorrow, I'm French uhuh
[17:44] <holstein> or, a simple reinstall might take 20 minutes..
[17:46] <BBA> I did "do-release-upgrade" and it's saying "no new version available"
[17:47] <holstein> BBA: yup.. there is no "new LTS version"
[17:47] <holstein> and thats the way its setup
[17:47] <BBA> Okay, thanks for the explainations
[17:47] <holstein> i suggest, *if* you want to do the upgrade, have a proper backup, then, go into the menu to the update manager, and tell it you want to look for regular releases, not just LTS's
[17:48] <BBA> Okay, I see
[17:48] <holstein> then,  you can fresh, and see the 14.10, which is EOL soon, that may be broken
[17:48] <BBA> Is it normal to have a reduced number of paquets availale in the software center ?
[17:49] <holstein> BBA: not sure what you are referring to
[17:49] <BBA> I'm using Lubuntu, I speaking about the graphic software where I can find other things to install
[17:50] <BBA> In my langage that's the "Logithèque Lubuntu"
[17:51] <BBA> That's it: http://www.clapico.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/lubuntu02.png
[17:53] <BBA> Can I install he "regular" Ubuntu Software Center on Lubuntu ?
[17:57] <holstein> BBA: should be in the repos, and actually, not address that issue
[17:58] <holstein> you can use any package manager you choose.. i would try synaptic, for a GUI one
[17:58] <BBA> Yes, I'm a beginner and the command line isn't very clear for me
[17:59] <BBA> I will test it later, because the "upgrade manager" is running
[17:59] <BBA> So thank you for your help, and maybe see you later guys !
[21:51]  * penguin1263 FUCK AT&T
[21:51] <wxl> !language | penguin1263


[00:45] <TiKa> hi
[00:45] <kc2bez> hello
[00:47] <TiKa> Can someone help me?  I just had an error in installing lubuntu:  boost.python error "unpackfs"
[00:48] <kc2bez> TiKa: Which version of Lubuntu? Have you checked the hashes?
[00:49] <TiKa> 19.04 lxqt
[00:50] <TiKa> I'm a little noob, I'm migrating from windows hahaha '
[00:50] <kc2bez> OK. No problem.
[00:51] <kc2bez> We have a chapter in our manual on installation. https://manual.lubuntu.me/1/Installing_lubuntu.html
[00:51] <TiKa> yeah
[00:51] <TiKa> I followed him
[00:52] <TiKa> but I got this error at the end (after erasing all the data from the disk and trying to install xD)
[00:52] <kc2bez> It is important to check the iso. It may boot ok and still have an issue.
[00:52] <kc2bez> Even if it is one bit off you may get a failure.
[00:53] <TiKa> I downloaded it from the site
[00:54] <TiKa> Is there another appropriate place?
[00:54] <TiKa> or should I redo the download?
[00:54] <kc2bez> lubuntu.me is the official site
[00:55] <kc2bez> you may not need to redownload. but you really should check the integrity of the iso.
[00:55] <TiKa> yeah
[00:55] <TiKa> https://lubuntu.me/downloads/
[00:55] <kc2bez> this ubuntu wiki page is also good https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto#Check_the_ISO
[00:56] <TiKa> may have been the program I used to record the image?
[00:56] <TiKa> I used rufus
[00:57] <kc2bez> Maybe. I don't think rufus is the recommended burn tool in Windows.
[00:59] <kc2bez> I don't relly use Windows much so I am not sure. It looks like we have some recommendation in chapter 1.2 in the manual.
[01:00] <kc2bez> *really
[01:02] <TiKa> no problem
[01:02] <TiKa> what would you indicate to do in lubuntu?
[01:06] <kc2bez> to burn a usb?
[01:06] <TiKa> y
[01:06] <TiKa> mkusb?
[01:07] <kc2bez> mkusb works
[01:07] <TiKa> ok
 After updating the error.   the system suggests me to execute the following command: sudo apt --fix-broken install after doing  … dpkg-deb: error: insert subprocess was killed by signal (Channel break) … There were errors while processing the following packages: … /var/cache/apt/archives/libpython3.7-stdlib_3.7.3-2~18.04.1_amd64.deb … E:
 helped me:                                                                                sudo apt-get --fix-broken -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install … sudo apt remove libpython3.7 libpython3.7-dev python3.7
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[00:32] <mhall119> wendar: are there any extras packages for Precise yet?
[00:32] <mhall119> "Independent" isn't showing in my USC
[00:32] <ajmitch> there aren't
[00:32] <mhall119> so maybe mine will be first? cool
[00:33] <ajmitch> this did start off as the 'post-release apps' process
[00:34] <ajmitch> mhall119: are you trying to submit apps for precise now?
[00:35] <mhall119> ajmitch: yeah
[00:36] <ajmitch> stgraber would know more than I would, but I don't know if that is open for uploads to be copied to it now or not
[00:37] <ajmitch> while there's a precise Sources.gz file on extras.ubuntu.com, there are a few things that happen behind the scenes
[00:50] <wendar> mhall119: we won't be accepting apps for precise until after the precise release
[00:51] <wendar> mhall119: but we can get it into Oneiric now, and then add to Precise as soon as it's launched
[00:51] <wendar> mhal119: or, does it depend on features of Precise?
[00:51] <ajmitch> bit hard to do that when the lense API is different
[00:51] <wendar> (I haven't tried compiling it yet)
[00:51] <ajmitch> I think that it'd make sense to accept apps for precise after feature freeze
[00:52] <wendar> ajmitch: current policy is only the "current release" of Ubuntu
[00:52] <ajmitch> like backports is meant to be opening up at FF, not sure if that's been done or not
[00:52] <wendar> I do know backports is opening at FF
[00:52] <wendar> yeah, I don't know if they've done it yet
[00:52] <wendar> but, if it's targeting Precise, why not just put it in using the standard process?
[00:53] <wendar> that avoids all the /opt stuff
[00:53] <ajmitch> wendar: right, at FF the platform should be viable for building & releasing apps on, but there could be changes
[00:53] <ajmitch> I'd certainly prefer it to just go in via the standard process
[00:54] <wendar> ajmitch: as in, the non-ARB process?
[00:54] <mhall119> wendar: unfortunately the version of Singlet my lens depends on is only in Precise
[00:55] <ajmitch> wendar: right, the non-ARB process or even into backports if it's open
[00:55] <mhall119> wendar: Can I propose my Singlet package (modified to run on Oneiric) to the ARB, and then submit the lens for Oneiric too?
[00:55] <wendar> ajmitch: backports only accepts packages once they've been approved for some release of Ubuntu, generally the current development release
[00:56] <wendar> mhall119: Extras doesn't accept libraries, only "leaf" applications
[00:56] <ajmitch> wendar: not necessarily true with the current proposal, which is meant to acecpt new packages which can then be copied into the next release as it opens
[00:56] <mhall119> wendar: yeah, i know
[00:57] <ajmitch> the intention behind backports opening early is to have a way to upload new packages all through the 6-month cycle
[00:57] <wendar> mhall119: I'd say Singlet could be backported, but Extras can't automatically enable a backport, so that's problematic too
[00:57] <wendar> mhall119: since FF is upon us, I think the best option is getting it ready to go for Precise Extras
[00:57] <mhall119> I'm okay with not getting this into Oneiric, I just want to get something through the ARB process, preferabbly before Precise is released, so I know how to help other devs
[00:58] <ajmitch> it might be a trial app to see if it can be put into precise extras pre-release
[00:58] <wendar> mhal119: I'd say it's not really a huge deal if we publish it a few weeks before the actual Precise launch date
[00:58] <wendar> (for testing)
[00:58] <mhall119> wendar: there are a *lot* of lenses and scopes waiting to be packaged and send to the ARB, so unity-community-lens is going to be both a trial run and it's packaging files will serve as a template for others
[00:59] <wendar> but, we may have to have some policy conversations around that
[00:59] <mhall119> wendar: that's okay
[00:59] <wendar> like, in general, unlike backports, Extras shouldn't be on a "open as soon as FF hits" policy
[00:59] <mhall119> better now, while we still have some time
[00:59] <wendar> yup
[01:00] <wendar> and, if all the lenses depend on Precise features, it may be that we get them all lined up in the staging PPA
[01:00] <wendar> and, just ready to launch as soon as Precise hits
[01:00] <mhall119> wendar: they don't all, currently, most will need to be upgraded to support Precise
[01:00] <wendar> (or, soon before Precise hits)
[01:00] <wendar> mhall119: okay, those are actually easier
[01:00]  * ajmitch still needs to hack up his lens for precise :)
[01:00] <wendar> mhall119: we can launch them for Oneiric, and then start the upgrade for Precise
[01:01] <mhall119> well, I can't guarantee that they're ready for Oneiric either :)
[01:01] <mhall119> will packages in extras automatically be upgraded to Precise?
[01:01] <mhall119> I thought devs had to resubmit
[01:01] <wendar> mhall119: the general idea is to give developers notice of each upcoming so they can transition
[01:01] <mhall119> ok
[01:01] <ajmitch> I was going to update unity-lens-launchpad & push it through to test uploading for precise
[01:01] <ajmitch> something for the weekend
[01:01] <wendar> mhall119: aye, no automatic transition, just an opportunity for the dev to prepare to resubmit
[01:02] <mhall119> wendar: ajmitch: do you think we should have some kind of naming convention for lenses and scopes?
[01:02] <wendar> mhall119: I was wondering about that
[01:02] <ajmitch> mhall119: yes, I'd follow what's in the main archive
[01:02] <mhall119> I have unity-<project>-lens, ajmitch has unity-lens-<project>
[01:02] <wendar> mhall119: I noticed most are unity-lens-<project>
[01:02] <ajmitch> where they were originally unity-place-X, now unity-lens-X
[01:03] <wendar> mhall119: yeah, one of the comments in my notes is "should this be named unity-lens-community?"
[01:03] <mhall119> ok, I should probably change mine then
[01:03] <wendar> I've seen "unity-scope-*" too
[01:03] <ajmitch> we renamed the askubuntu lens to match the others
[01:03] <mhall119> yeah, that makes more sense that way
[01:04]  * ajmitch should probably remember to apply for UDS sponsorship before next week as well :)
[01:04] <wendar> mhall119: if you want to do that renaming, I can hold off on my branch
[01:05] <wendar> mhall119: actually, I'll just send you my current changelog, that pretty much says everything
[01:05] <mhall119> ajmitch: yeah, you should do that ;)
[01:05] <mhall119> wendar: thanks
[01:05] <wendar> and, you can look at unity-lens-sshsearch for the details
[01:05] <mhall119> ok
[01:06] <ajmitch> we should hopefully get some resolution on whether scopes can depend on lenses at the next TB meeting
[01:06] <mhall119> ajmitch: is it on their agenda yet?
[01:06] <ajmitch> if you haven't added it, you should
[01:06] <ajmitch> actually
[01:06] <ajmitch> it says that a TB person should, so stgraber? :)
[01:07] <ajmitch> afaik people add items themselves & then turn up at the meeting
[01:08] <stgraber> just add it yourself, unless you want me to introduce the topic at the meeting but I doubt it's in mhall119 or jono's best interest of having me present it ;)
[01:08] <ajmitch> heh
[01:09] <mhall119> stgraber: gah, I just sent an email to the TB about it
[01:10] <mhall119> oh well, I'll just look impatient
[01:10] <ajmitch> they'll forgive you, I'm sure
[01:12]  * mhall119 is going to owe stgraber some edubuntu contributions for this
[01:12] <ajmitch> bribery now? :)
[01:12] <mhall119> what do you mean 'now'?
[01:12] <mhall119> :)
[01:16] <mhall119> wendar: I don't think there's any standard or convention for dbus names/paths on lenses or scopes, but I'll ask
[01:20] <mhall119> for the /opt/ path, should it use /opt/extras.ubuntu.com/<project_name>-<version>/ ?
[01:20] <mhall119> is the version number in there necessary?
[01:21] <wendar> mhall119: that's the standard approved by the TB
[01:21] <wendar> but, we haven't always followed it strictly
[01:21] <mhall119> are we allowed to submit new versions for the same release?
[01:21] <wendar> (none of the other lenses do)
[01:21]  * ajmitch didn't follow that for tagplayer
[01:22] <ajmitch> since you shouldn't be able to have multiple versions installed at once, it shouldn't matter
[01:22] <wendar> mhall119: yes, it still runs through an ARB review, but it's usually a quicker review since we only need to look at the diff
[01:23] <wendar> ajmitch: I'm not particularly attached to the version in the path
[01:23] <mhall119> wendar: on the .service file rename you did, is that an ARB requirement?
[01:23] <wendar> ajmitch: it was in the original spec, so I copied it into the guidelines
[01:23] <wendar> mhall119: yes, prepending 'extras-' to the .service and .lens files is an ARB requirement
[01:24] <mhall119> ok
[01:24] <wendar> mhall119: basically, any files that have to be installed in the "standard" locations
[01:24] <wendar> mhall119: it's the same for .desktop files
[01:25] <ajmitch> the reason for the naming to to avoid namespace conflicts
[01:25] <ajmitch> which is why I don't think the version is important in the filename or path
[01:25] <ajmitch> I'm sure the TB won't jump on us too harshly if we get it wrong
[01:26] <stgraber> yeah, I usually don't put the version in the path as it's not possible to have multiple version with the same package name installed anyway
[01:26] <ajmitch> right :)
[01:26] <mhall119> are you guys working with anybody to incorporate these requirements into what Quickly produces?
[01:26] <stgraber> and it makes updating the package harder in most cases
[01:27] <wendar> ajmitch: stgraber: actually, I'm not finding the source for the <appname>-<version> requirement on the /opt path
[01:27] <ajmitch> wendar: great, we can ignore it then :)
[01:27] <stgraber> I think it's just how we did the first app and it stuck ;)
[01:27] <wendar> ajmitch: stgraber: and, it always struck me as a little silly, so I'll just drop it from the guidelines
[01:28] <ajmitch> mhall119: I think that bugs have been filed against quickly to make it produce apps using the right paths, etc, but I'm not sure what #
[01:28] <wendar> mhall119: so, you can stick with /opt/extras.ubuntu.com/unity-lens-community/...
[01:28] <mhall119> ok, I'll look
[01:28] <mhall119> wendar: alright
[01:28] <ajmitch> it would be great to reduce the patching that we have to do to 0
[01:28] <mhall119> yeah
[01:29] <mhall119> I'm hoping to do that for singlet lenses/scopes at least
[01:29]  * ajmitch is having issues at the moment getting a simple patch to be applied, have to track down what's going on
[01:34] <wendar> mhall119: yeah, I asked around and joined the Quickly talk mailing list to discuss changes with them
[01:34] <wendar> mhall119: Rick is happy to have folks propose changes in branches to be merged
[01:34] <mhall119> wendar: Rick?
[01:34] <wendar> mhall119: mainly, I think Quickly just doesn't have much active development at the moment
[01:35] <wendar> mhall119: Spencer, creator of Quickly
[01:35] <mhall119> oh, I don't think he's maintaining it anymore, TOny Bryne is I think, though didrocks has been helping me
[01:35] <mhall119> I'm writing a singlet-lens template for it now
[01:35] <ajmitch> ah, nice
[01:36] <wendar> mhall119: ah, I haven't seen the name Tony Bryne at all yet
[01:36] <wendar> mhall119: it's mainly mvo who's made the changes I requested so far
[01:36] <wendar> mhall119: (as recently as a few weeks ago)
[01:36] <mhall119> ah, it's Byrne, not Bryne
[01:36] <mhall119> but still
[01:36] <ajmitch> I'm surprised that quickly is just in universe
[01:36] <wendar> ajmitch: it's not really core to Ubuntu
[01:37] <wendar> ajmitch: it's just the recent promotion on developer.ubuntu.com that made it appear so
[01:37] <ajmitch> wendar: no, but it's something that could be pushed more, along with other content creation
[01:37] <wendar> ajmitch: I'm actually happy to have it made more core, but definitely needs some work to get there
[01:37] <mhall119> ajmitch: I think it needs more active and devoted maintenance before it gets there
[01:37] <wendar> ajmitch: particularly, it needs updating to GTK3 for Precise
[01:38] <ajmitch> is diveintopython still on the CD images? :)
[01:38] <ajmitch> wendar: it's still using pygtk?
[01:38] <wendar> ajmitch: yup pygtk
[01:38] <wendar> ajmitch: diveintopython was on the CD images last I checked, but that was Natty
[01:40] <ajmitch> does quickly use dh_python2 instead of python-support now?
[01:40] <wendar> ajmitch: it must have been removed now, the book is 8 years old
[01:40] <ajmitch> 8 years old but still in main
[01:40] <wendar> ajmitch: it doesn't, it still uses python-support
[01:40] <wendar> ajmitch: I have to manually update quickly packages
[01:40] <ajmitch> right, that's what I was doing with tagplayer as well
[01:41] <ajmitch> are there bugs filed about that?
[01:41] <wendar> ajmitch: though, mvo said he made some updates for Precise, I'll check trunk and see if he updated that
[01:41] <wendar> ajmitch: I didn't file bugs, yet, just emailed to ask if there were plans for the updates
[01:42] <wendar> ajmitch: we should start promoting http://diveintopython3.ep.io/ :)
[01:43]  * ajmitch likes the concept of 1 right way to write an app, make a package that can be approved with minimal work
[01:45]  * wendar too
[01:46] <ajmitch> maybe something to aim for for the next LTS? :)
[02:25] <wendar> ajmitch: seems sensible
[02:52] <mhall119> wendar: quickly uses python-mkdebian, which builds debian package files from the setup.py, I think that's where we need to switch things to dh_python2
[02:53] <wendar> mhall119: ah, that makes sense
[02:53] <wendar> mhall119: I wonder if that's a change to make all the way upstream in Debian?
[02:53] <ajmitch> is that the package name?
[02:53] <ajmitch> I can't find it on precise
[02:53] <wendar> mhall119: or, further upstream? is it a Python package?
[02:53] <ajmitch> the closest I know of is python-stdeb
[02:54] <mhall119> wendar: it's from python-distutils-extra, by Martin Pitt
[02:54] <wendar> ah-ha, pitti beat us to it
[02:54] <wendar> https://code.launchpad.net/~python-distutils-extra-hackers/python-distutils-extra/debian
[02:54] <wendar> revision 274
[02:55] <wendar> hopefully, that made it into Precise
[02:55] <ajmitch> right
[02:55] <mhall119> I'll check with pitti tomorrow
[02:55] <ajmitch> that's the version in precise now
[02:55] <wendar> sweet!
[02:57] <ajmitch> https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-distutils-extra/+bug/894582 should be fixed then
[02:57] <mhall119> hmmm, I guess I need to update
[02:57] <ajmitch> so the bug was originally filed against quickly
[02:57] <wendar> ah, that's my bug
[02:57] <mhall119> lol
[02:57] <ajmitch> wendar: yep :)
[02:57] <wendar> forgot I filed it :)
[02:58] <ajmitch> I knew I'd seen one filed from the ARB somewhere
[07:34] <dholbach> good morning
[07:45] <dpm> good morning all
[12:14] <coolbhavi> mhall119, hi
[12:49] <mhall119> hey coolbhavi
[12:49] <coolbhavi> hey mhall119 how you doing?
[12:49] <coolbhavi> saw your ubuntu community lenses on ARB queue
[12:50] <coolbhavi> and its a cool app
[12:50] <coolbhavi> :)
[12:51] <mhall119> thanks coolbhavi
[12:52] <coolbhavi> Thanks to you for making a simple and cool app :D
[12:53] <mhall119> I'm not sure it quite qualifies to be called an 'app'
[12:53] <mhall119> but I hope people like it
[12:53] <coolbhavi> I liked it :D
[12:54] <coolbhavi> can you give me the ppa link btw m interested in digging more
[12:55] <mhall119> coolbhavi: https://launchpad.net/~scopes-packagers/+archive/ppa
[12:55] <coolbhavi> mhall119, thanks!
[13:05] <coolbhavi> mhall119, only thing I found is in oneiric it fails to install Dependency is not satisfiable: gir1.2-unity-5.0
[13:05] <coolbhavi> can you have a backport option for this?
[13:07] <mhall119> coolbhavi: I'd have to get python-unity-singlet into backports, but extras packages can't enable the packports repo
[13:07] <mhall119> so, not relaly
[13:08] <mhall119> coolbhavi: this is targetting Precise only
[13:08] <mhall119> I discussed with wendar and ajmitch yesterday, we'll work on getting this ready to land, and hold off until closer to Precise's release
[13:10] <coolbhavi> mhall119, yes but I meant backport as in a ppa build
[13:10] <mhall119> coolbhavi: it would take some work
[13:10] <mhall119> the Lens API is different between Oneiric and Precise
[13:11] <mhall119> the parts of Singlet this one uses didn't even exist in the version of Singlet that supported Oneiric
[13:12] <coolbhavi> hmmm I wished to see support for different versions of ubuntu so I asked if its complicated then little sense in going through pains
[13:14] <mhall119> actually that might be nice to have in Singlet, have it auto-detect the version of Unity and change how it works accordingly
[13:15] <mhall119> though the issue with backports and extras still means it won't easily allow singlet lenses into Oneiric
[13:16] <coolbhavi> hmm yes I understand the complexity at this point of time
[15:02] <cwayne> hi, just wondering if my app accidentally went into the commercial queue again
[15:05] <ajmitch> what is your app?
[15:05] <cwayne> https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/513/
[15:06] <ajmitch> quite likely, since I don't have access to see that
[15:06] <coolbhavi> ajmitch, me too
[15:07] <cwayne> ugh, who can i talk to to fix that?
[15:09] <cielak> dpm, are there still any chances of finding some work for me?
[15:12] <stgraber> looking
[15:13] <stgraber> fixed
[15:13] <stgraber> oh, actually, looking at the description this seems to be content only package (no actual app)?
[15:14] <stgraber> if so, commercial (with a $0 cost) would be the right place as the ARB only accepts actual apps
[15:14] <stgraber> (this comment is just based on a 5s read of the page, I may be completely wrong)
[15:16]  * ajmitch should really not be awake at this hour hacking on stuff
[15:22] <ajmitch> right, LP lens shows stuff on precise now
[15:22] <ajmitch> not much useful stuff though :)
[15:23] <cwayne> stgraber: really? i was told it should still go through the ARB
[15:24] <ajmitch> told by who? the ARB has always had a fairly strict policy on what submissions can go through that process
[15:25] <cwayne> david pitkin
[15:25] <cwayne> maybe i misheard him?
[15:25] <stgraber> cwayne: whoever told you that didn't read the ARB guidelines ;)
[15:25] <stgraber> cwayne: "Submissions should be applications, not stand-alone documentation or media (image bundles, fonts, movies). "
[15:25] <stgraber> cwayne: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Review/Guidelines
[15:25] <ajmitch> could be that he doesn't know the policy as approved by the TB, he might be working solely off price & license
[15:25] <dpm> cielak, sure, I'd recommend talking to the other guys in this channel, I'm sure they'd be happy to get more contributors
[15:26] <stgraber> that sounds likely indeed. I'll mention it to David and bounce the app back to the commercial queue
[15:26] <ajmitch> as amusing as rage faces would be...
[15:26] <stgraber> done
[15:30] <cwayne> ajmitch: hah, yeah, it makes irc much more fun :P
[15:33] <cwayne> stgraber: ok, so what do I do now? is it in the right queue?
[15:35] <highvoltage> good morning
[15:35] <ajmitch> morning highvoltage
[15:36] <highvoltage> wow, still awake ajmitch? :)
[15:36] <stgraber> cwayne: yep, it's in the right queue now and should be handled by dpitkin's team
[15:36] <ajmitch> highvoltage: more that I went to bed really early & ended up waking up at ~3 :)
[15:38]  * ajmitch should probably have had dinner before crashing though, I wonder if it's too early to have it for breakfast
[15:41] <highvoltage> my 2012 sleep policy is that if I'm inspired/excited/can't-sleep... then I should use the time instead of trying to sleep and just getting frustrated and waste the time
[15:41] <highvoltage> not sure how well that will work, but I guess it's worth a try :)
[15:42] <highvoltage> (moving 7 hours west does wonders for sleep though :) )
[15:44] <ajmitch> going to bed at 7 & getting up at 3:30 might be pushing it a bit
[15:44] <highvoltage> yeah :)
[15:47] <ajmitch> but at least I got some code working, I just have to get the package updated for it now
[15:48] <cielak> ajmitch, you've mentioned some time ago that you are willing to review harmonyseq soon - are you in the middle of reviewing it? because if not, I might upload few updates to the packaging, according to recent changes in the Review/Guidelines (both to ARB queue and the PPA)
[15:59] <ajmitch> upload away, I was trying to finish off another app before moving onto yours again
[15:59] <ajmitch> which I should get done today
[16:02] <cielak> right - just wanted to ensure I won't interrupt your work
[16:05] <cielak> okay - done ;)


[01:59] <c2tarun> Hi friends, I just created a swap partition so that I can hibernate my laptop. Do I have to enable this swap partition somehow or linux will automatically detect it? http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-friday30august2013-072757ist.php
[02:01] <xubuntu115> wow
[02:03] <Unit193> c2tarun: I have something in my fstab for it.
[02:03] <Unit193> !fstab
[02:03] <Silver_Arrow> there's a window that's way too tall to see the bottom, is there a way to zoom out on the window, or let me drag it up past the upper panel?
[02:04] <Unit193> Silver_Arrow: Alt+drag
[02:04] <Silver_Arrow> erm, I have all my alt based shortcuts disable because of program conflicts
[02:07] <Silver_Arrow> aha, found it in the settings manager, bound super key to it
[02:15] <Silver_Arrow> the <Lower Window> option removes mouse focus, right?
[02:35] <jonzen> xubuntu 13.04  having res prob with laptop and 1080p tv as 2nd monitor  tv fine but when i connect it the laptop screen seems to change res  set on 1366x768 in display settings  tv set to 1080  laptop screen gets karger and half of it disappears from screen
[02:35] <jonzen> laptop vid is nvidia 610m
[02:36] <jonzen> can ne1 give me suggestion to fix
[02:36] <nerdtron> jonzen try install arandr to manage secondary display...
[02:36] <jonzen> k  ty  will give it a try
[02:40] <jonzen> nope  lappy screen still incorrect  res set correctly but wierding out
[02:41] <jonzen> any way to turn off mirroring
[02:44] <nerdtron> xubuntu 13.04? and did you install nvidia drivers?
[02:45] <jonzen> yes  bumblebee
[02:46] <jonzen> 610m is a morph  hald intel half nvidia   kind of a pain  shoulda just bought the cheaper laptop  hehe
[02:48] <jonzen> ill just disable laptop screen while i watch tv  no biggie  thx for help nerdtron
[02:49] <nerdtron> jonzen sorry..for couldn't help more..i'm not familiar with nvidia drivers as i don't use them...gudluck anyway
[03:00] <Silver_Arrow> is there a way to make the kernel/joystick drive ignore axis 23, 24, and 25?
[03:01] <Silver_Arrow> I can't seem to do anything from jstest-gtk to make a game ignore them or not sense anything on them
[03:01] <Silver_Arrow> (those are the 3 accelerometer axes of a ps3 sixaxis controller I finally got to work)
[03:27] <xubuntu919> I'm in a chatroom
[03:28] <map> hyes
[03:28] <nerdtron> xubuntu919 chatroom support for xubuntu, not just random chat :)
[03:28] <xubuntu919> Dual-booting Xubuntu along side Windows 7, hope it is better than Ubuntu (used with GNOME Shell)
[03:28] <xubuntu919> Oh okay, didn't know it was support only.
[03:28] <nerdtron> xfce is quite good
[03:29] <nerdtron> oh yeah.. #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chat
[03:29] <map> i like xfce
[03:29] <map> although im struggling with everything atm ;/ fresh 13.04 install
[03:29] <xubuntu919> Thanks, I just never used IRC during an installation. Very interesting.
[03:30] <nerdtron> map you'll get the hang of it.. if you have questions, don't hesitate to ask
[03:30] <map> its this pesky broadcom mate
[03:31] <map> i remember it being a pain when i used Ubuntu previously..and at first I had no wired connection nor wireless
[03:31] <nerdtron> xubuntu919 a lot og people are here, especially in the ubuntu channel where people ask for help in installation
[03:31] <map> now ive got a wired connection..but cant get wlan0 to work AT all
[03:31] <map> i installed linux-firmware-nonfree modprobe b43 ..then did upgrade and after apt-get upgrade the wireless worked...rebooted and wireless woint work
[03:32] <map> but its listed in iconfig/iconfig lspci -nnK | grep -iA2 net shos its use b43-pci-bridge driver
[03:32] <xubuntu919> Since it's support, I do have a real question. When I used Ubuntu, headphones worked great, but speakers didn't (popping sound). I tried commands I found google like remove & purge then install, update atlas+pulseaudio. What site would have a guide as to what to install to get my realtek alc888 drivers installed properly?
[03:32] <nerdtron> how do you say it doesn't work? it doesn't show in the network manager?
[03:33] <map> ah sorry - network manager when i clic it on the top of my screen well ya it knos theres a wireless card
[03:33] <map> but no wireless networks shown
[03:33] <map> i made a post about it - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2171279&p=12773653#post12773653
[03:34] <nerdtron> xubuntu919 modprobe snd_hda_codec_realtek
[03:35] <nerdtron> if you are using 13.04, it should be detected and used by default
[03:35] <map> me? bcm4311 isnt..broadcom are always a pain;/
[03:36] <Unit193> Saw the wikipage for it?  I don't find them that much of a pain, though.
[03:37] <map> hmm but ive tried everything i can think of and the cards listed under iwconfig and ifconfig
[03:37] <map> but not showing any networks--i dont know what to do
[03:42] <Unit193> !bcm
[03:45] <map> ive read that:(
[04:23] <xubuntu627> olá a todxs! sou Eds e estou instalando o XBUNTU....
[04:24] <map> ;/
[04:26] <xubuntu627> ISSO AÍ! MAP  O/
[04:27] <map> hello
[04:27] <map> english is all i speak
[04:28] <xubuntu627> hmn, entendo.
[04:28] <map> hm
[05:51] <Monkeytoe> is there a way I can have apt-get return my computer to how it was just after I installed it?
[05:51] <Monkeytoe> basically want it to return everything back to the vanilla xubuntu 13.04 install I did
[05:57] <nikolam> Monkeytoe, Using BTRFS as file system for the installation? Ubuntu makes snapshots during update, so you can back to previous state of the system. (ZFS also has that, but is off-kernel and tools don't do that automatically).
[06:00] <Monkeytoe> ah I did encrypted lvm :(
[06:01] <nikolam> lvm can make snapshots? also, I dont'know if BTRFS can do encryption. Possibly if made on top of LVM.
[06:02] <nikolam> Maybe you can add another GRUB item, then copy fresh install from elsewhere and then boot it.
[06:04] <machina> Hi! How do I boot xubuntu on console-only mode?  I think it is up to the latest LTS, after that it is not released anymore. but one can upgrade from it...
[06:08] <machina> yes, the problem is that I have everything confed with my current installation and I'd rather not replace it with anything else to save the bother :)
[06:08] <nikolam> I used that alternate-update method to install xubuntu on my eeepc/512MB RAM
[06:09] <nikolam> machina, maybe just remove packages of desktop environment, you don't need. Or better, just disable starting GUI on boot.
[06:10] <machina> nikolam: that's my question, actually: How do I disable starting GUI on boot?
[06:11] <machina> ah, found it with almighty google (duh)
[06:12] <machina> duh
[06:13] <nikolam> machina, what, /etc/init/lightdm.conf ?
[06:14] <nikolam> and, like, rcconf edits it
[06:14] <nikolam> or sudo update-rc.d -f lightdm remove (untested)
[06:15] <nikolam> I use almighty ixquick or duckduckgo , encrypted, private.. they say ;p
[06:15] <machina> nikolam: Internet suggested simply putting "text" on grub commandline, if that works I'll start removing packages :)
[06:16] <nikolam> machina, or let them be there (packages) for you to be able to do ssh -X to a machine and run GUI app if needed. It is not using RAM if not running.
[06:17] <nikolam> machina, it is GRUB2, btw...
[06:17] <machina> nice, haven't actually thought about that
[06:18] <machina> I have very little experience with this whole 'remote desktop' thing
[06:18] <nikolam> and who knows, when you will need to run startc for local session ;p
[06:18] <nikolam> startx
[06:19] <nikolam> ssh -X just redirect ports, and application on remote computer is using local X server for displaying and interaction. That os what X is all about. :)
[06:19] <nikolam> is
[06:19] <machina> intresting, I got to check that out
[06:20] <nikolam> it is by design, from ages
[06:22] <nikolam> it is also saying, there is /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LightDM
[06:40] <myersg> hey, how do I change the default fonts in Xubuntu 13.04?
[06:40] <myersg> for the system, and applications?
[06:45] <elfy> myersg: settings manager > appearance and window manager
[06:46] <myersg> thanks elfy!
[06:47] <elfy> welcome
[08:00] <vice_> Hi! Where can I find autorun in xubuntu, like system->autorun in ubuntu?
[08:01] <nerdtron> vice_, setting manager> session and startup
[08:02] <vice_> thx, nerdtron, u are so kind :)
[08:04] <vice_> why saving arandr resolution file  not working?:(
[08:06] <vice_> oh, it must be not at system.
[08:06] <vice_> thx!
[10:05] <Pkunk> is there any builtin or 3rd party iptables module to block ssl connections by the CN / hostname /alt fields ?
[12:11] <Monkeytoe> hello... i have a windows file server on my network and just installed xubuntu 13.04 on this pc... I am trying to browse the windows network it just says failed to open windows network
[12:11] <Monkeytoe> im not trying to become a member of the domain, I just want to simply browse the files on the file server by putting in an authorized domain account
[12:33] <Sysi> Monkeytoe: check that you have gvfs-backends installed
[12:36] <Monkeytoe> I do
[13:15] <xubuntu262> Hello ?
[13:16] <bgardner> xubuntu262: Hello
[13:17] <GridCube> !hi | xubuntu262
[13:18] <xubuntu262> Hello, i'm having troubble with a samsung chomebook ,After installing xubuntu on it, i am unable to make the speakers work. Tried to remose pulse audio, tried many things : no mp3 to be played !!
[13:18] <xubuntu262> Would you have an idea ?
[13:19] <GridCube> have you installed the restricted extras?
[13:19] <GridCube> if not then you dont have codecs for mp3
[13:20] <xubuntu262> I'm afraid not : installing ubuntu has been made with a global script. May I use a apt-get install extras maybe ?
[13:21] <GridCube> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[13:22] <xubuntu262> many thanks, try right now.
[13:24] <xubuntu262> ....processing...
[13:26] <xubuntu262> Done. I am a real newbie : sould i reboot after each apt-get ?
[13:26] <GridCube> not really unless it asks you too
[13:28] <xubuntu262> Thank you. So, no reboot asked, speakers level are high, alsamixer is at high levet too. When I launch audacious (or any mp3 player) still no sound at all. Speakers are ok with chrome Os....really coming fool !!
[13:32] <xubuntu262> BTW, headphones no longer work too....Anyone may have andea ? i
[13:32] <xubuntu262> Sorry : anyone may have an idea ?
[13:37] <GridCube> xubuntu262, check in pavucontrol that the proper output is being used for audio
[13:37] <GridCube> see in the last tab that you are using a correct configuration as well.
[13:37] <GridCube> check that no output is being muted, check that too against alsamixer
[13:40] <xubuntu262> Ok these has been done. Output is set to "speakers" and configuration is "Analog stereo output". None seems mute. I return to alsamixer, thank you for helping.
[13:40] <holstein> xubuntu262: try toggling mutes.. the function key ones.. the ones in the control.. several different ways
[13:43] <newbie834> hi to all
[13:44] <xubuntu262> Hello. Alsamixer still at the highest level, and no mute  controls.....is it possible to try to play an mp3 directly from terminal, just to be sure ?
[13:44] <newbie834> i would like to ask your help in the following issue: in ubuntu desktop the sleep mode hotkey on the keyboard works, in xubuntu it doesn't. where to find the problem?
[13:44] <holstein> xubuntu262: did you toggle *all* mutes?
[13:48] <xubuntu262> I think so, some of them seemes unreachable. "headphone" " speaker" "line in" "lineout " ADCL" ...but I need to go to the eye's doctor : didn't saw others controls on the right !! Sorry, i try now to put them at high level, or to make them work.
[13:49] <holstein> xubuntu262: dont think.. confirm. test *every* mute possiblity and toggle it
[13:49] <xubuntu262> Ok let's go.
[13:49] <holstein> xubuntu262: i have had that *same* issue.. and when i toggled the function key, it muted, and i had to go to the software mise to unmute.. even though it showed it should be playing
[13:50] <holstein> xubuntu262: you cannot trust the labels in alsamixer.. your card vendor likely didnt supply that information to the alsa team
[13:55] <xubuntu262> Thanks all. So : i confirm that  every "toggleable" cursor is at the highiest level . MP3 player shows that the song plays.  It seems that my installation is probably wrong...
[13:56] <xubuntu262> Apologize for ma poor english : i'm french, I have an excuse !
[14:04] <holstein> xubuntu262: i never said highest level
[14:04] <holstein> xubuntu262: i said toggle *all* mutes.. on and off..
[14:13] <xubuntu262> Well I probably not doing correctly what you say : i see for exemple "headphones". Using "enter" allows to move the cursor up and down, from z ero to max. In fact, there is no "mute" position except move the cursor to zerov  : tht's what i call "no mute". Something else to do ?
[14:13] <xubuntu262> to zero : that's what I call "no mute".
[14:14] <xubuntu262> BTW card is DAISY-I2S
[14:16] <holstein> xubuntu262: correct.. i am talking literally about mute
[14:16] <holstein> xubuntu262: the function key mute .. the mute i alsamixer.. the must in pavucontrol
[14:17] <holstein> *not* other controls.. just mute.. since it *is* a known bug.. and an issue i have seen before
[14:23] <xubuntu262> Yes, I saw it cos the speaker icon on the desktop looses its blue "sounds" in front of it, when i turn "mute " on in the pavucontrol. Think i will try to find a "patch" or correcting package....
[14:24] <holstein> xubuntu262: try the live CD.. then, you'l be able to determine if its software or just your config
[14:24] <holstein> if you have the same alsa and kernel versions as the live CD, and the live CD works, and your install doesnt.. you dont need a patch. you have something misconfigured
[14:24] <holstein> xubuntu262: be sure you try as another user
[14:31] <xubuntu262> Ok. Anayway, i don't have a liveCD, I used a script to load xubuntu directely from goo.gl/r9synd . So, i will open another session, and try to compare....Anyway, thank you for the help, i'm sure now to have a "misconfigured" somewhere. May  come tomorrow on the site to say i found....Thanks a lot, and have a good"end-of-day" !
[14:32] <holstein> xubuntu262: you used a script to do what?
[14:32] <holstein> xubuntu262: could be, you are not using xubuntu at all.. if you didnt get xubuntu
[14:34] <xubuntu262> I used a script, like "crouton" but much better, to directly install xubuntu from the Net.
[14:37] <xubuntu262> Here is it : curl -L -O http://goo.gl/s9ryd; sudo bash s9ryd
[14:37] <holstein> xubuntu262: that link is not hot anymore.. i cannot confirm you installed xubuntu at all
[14:37] <xubuntu262> This installs ubuntu to chromebooks....
[14:38] <xubuntu262> huh : used it tree days ago...and yesterday...
[14:39] <xubuntu262> See it ?
[14:39] <xubuntu262> Here's the url ;http://chromeos-cr48.blogspot.fr/2013/05/chrubuntu-one-script-to-rule-them-all_31.html
[14:55] <valeriy__> hi, I have a next problem. Using Nemo File manager, I'm able to open a samba folder, but how can I choose files to open directly from application. Like in audacious, open files that are on samba folder?
[15:08] <Distrot> Hi. Can't seem to mount my ntfs drives in 13.04. Installed Xubuntu after reformatting a Windows Server 2012 partition and it won't seem to mount. I'm not sure why the drives are in "an unsafe state" but I just want to override the inaccessibility. Basically, I just need help structuring the command to remove_hiberfile. Thanks.
[18:39] <yeyeman> hi
[18:45] <yeyeman> hey
[18:47] <knome> anybody knows where *all* the systems paper sizes are defined? i'd like to cut them down...
[19:26] <Unit193> knome: /home/unit193/.gtk-custom-papers is the file for custom ones, but searching for locate gtk | grep pap  found nothing other than that.  It seems like it may be in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libcups.so.2 ?
[19:30] <knome> actually, the paper sizes are defined in the .ppd file per printer (or at least that's how i was able to modify the list)
[19:30] <knome> but turns out i don't need that, i can just use a command to print what/how i want and not need to poke the long GUI list
[19:33] <Unit193> Aha, alrighty.
[20:54] <hotmedal> I'm somehow banned from #ubuntu. I haven't been there in a month
[20:55] <Unit193> hotmedal: Should ask in #ubuntu-ops
[20:55] <hotmedal> thanks
[20:59] <Azelphur> Anyone know of a WM I can use that gives me separate workspaces per physical monitor?
[21:11] <w30> Azelphur, Wouldn't that need an awfully big monitor?
[21:11] <Unit193> w30: Think he means workspace 1 is on monitor 1, workspace 2 on monitor 2.
[21:11] <w30> Azelphur, or good eyesight and a high resolution
[21:13] <w30> Unit193, hmmm...
[21:29] <Azelphur> Unit193: yea, that's exactly what I mean
[21:29] <Azelphur> on a quad monitor setup, changing workspace on all 4 monitors is less than practical
[21:33] <w30> Azelphur, you would need a sports or Broadway Play  program to keep track of having a bunch of workspaces on each monitor. Maybe a spreadsheet?
[21:33] <Azelphur> w30: or a panel on each monitor, indicating which workspace you are on, just like normal.
[21:37] <Azelphur> there seems to be everything else, per-monitor window lists, per-monitor panels, why not per-monitor workspaces? :P
[21:38] <w30> Azelphur, probably not many developers/programmers have 4 monitors. Some well heeled person needs to donate some monitors and video cards.
[21:39] <Azelphur> w30: wat, pretty much all the developers I know have piles of monitors
[21:40]  * w30 is less than flush with cash.
[21:42] <w30> Azelphur, they need to get busy; I see a need and so do you. *smile*
[21:45] <w30> people working with a lot of text and text files, or graphics modifying would benefit greatly.
[21:49] <w30> Azelphur, I wonder if those graphic designers in  SGI or Disney companies using those 3 thousand dollar Mac Pro's can do that?
[21:50] <Azelphur> w30: dunno
[21:50] <Azelphur> I'm sure I remember hearing about a WM that could do it
[21:50] <Azelphur> I found some stuff saying gnome 3s default behaviour is to only workspace on the primary monitor, lol
[21:51] <r4d1x> hey, I've been getting an error with seahorse-tool, it seems I can encrypt a file once, but after that I get a GLib warning, and nothing happens.  Any ideas?
[21:51] <knome> !offtopic | w30, Azelphur
[21:51] <Azelphur> knome: how on earth is that off topic?
[21:51] <w30> CRS kicks in?   :=)
[21:52] <knome> Azelphur, SGI, Disney or GNOME 3 are not related to xubuntu support
[21:52] <w30> knome, sorry. w30 shuts up
[21:52] <Azelphur> knome: it's related to the question I asked about Xubuntu, try reading at least some of the conversation :)
[21:52] <knome> Azelphur, i did. you can move to -offtopic if you want to continue the social discussion.
[21:53]  * Azelphur sighs, goes to find support elsewhere
[21:53] <knome> i suppose your question was answered: there is no such feature
[21:54] <knome> re: other WM's, i'd ask a generic linux channel, many people here use xfce pretty much exclusively and thus have little experience of other WM's
[21:54] <knome> Azelphur, ^
[21:55] <Unit193> Could try awesome, but don't think it does either...
[21:55] <Azelphur> knome: maybe so, I think we were getting somewhere, as I say, there are definitely wm's that can do it, it's all about finding which one it is, and whether it likes XFCE or not :P
[21:56] <knome> Azelphur, i understand, but this isn't the channel to find out (because that's not really a xubuntu support question any more, and because people here are unlikely to know the answer)
[21:56] <Azelphur> fair enough
[21:57] <knome> Azelphur, you are free to ask in -offtopic (where many of the active supporters and otherwise generally more broadly interested people hang out in)
[21:57] <Azelphur> It's cool, I'll ask in ubuntu-uk, they generally aren't so aggressive against slightly-offtopic :P
[21:57] <knome> ...they also have a much broader topic.
[22:34] <htmlgifted> hay all htmlgifted 12.04 xubuntu user... Nice to met u.. I hope i can find and provide help to any one and every i can... Happy labor day to u all... tty all l8ter.
[22:35] <knome> htmlgifted, you'll want to join #xubuntu-devel where most of the development talk in IRC for xubuntu happens
[22:35] <htmlgifted> oh ok... i'll do that one two then thanks.....
[23:27] <yeyeman> what does an * after a file mean in ls?
[23:40] <David-A> yeyeman: you mean like "ls Madonna*"? also try "ls *.mp3".  * is a wildcard. it may be part of a filename pattern or a filename pattern by its own.
[23:41] <David-A> yeyeman: it is not "ls" that expands * and ? in filename patterns. it is the shell that expands them, and then pass all matching filenames to ls.
[23:47] <yeyeman> David-A: no I mean like script.py*
[23:55] <David-A> if you meet yeyeman, tell them that with the -F flag, ls -F append * to files with executable permission (the probably have ls aliased to ls -F if just ls do that)


[00:46] <Eickmeyer> oerheks: We are NOT the experts on the lowlatency kernel in #ubuntustudio. That goes to the kernel team.
[00:47] <Eickmeyer> Audio isn't the only thing that benefits from lowlatency.
[00:50] <oerheks> i know, i could not find the info directly.
[00:51] <oerheks> but sven was helpfull to confirm
[00:51] <oerheks> oh, he reasked, ..
[01:01] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:40] <katnip> good evenin :)
[06:11] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:28] <ducasse> good morning
[07:26] <marcoagpinto> Heya
[08:29] <marcoagpinto> When is 20.04.1 comming?
[09:45] <jonux> August 6th accorfing to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseSchedule
[09:45] <marcoagpinto> ahhhh
[09:45] <marcoagpinto> thanks
[09:45] <marcoagpinto> :)
[09:58] <lotus|NUC> https://news.softpedia.com/news/canonical-under-fire-for-putting-ads-in-the-ubuntu-motd-530372.shtml
[09:58] <lotus|NUC> lol katnip
[09:58] <lotus|NUC> syncro thoughts
[23:44] <lotuspsychje> good morning