[11:35] <compengi> EndSection to xorg.conf is there anything else he should edit?
[11:35] <MrGiMmE> hentai I already have the newest version
[11:35] <MoarAndMoar> I have a question
[11:35] <compengi> !ask > MoarAndMoar
[11:35] <hentai> Kingsqueak: how do i find out which device the mic is?
[11:36] <MoarAndMoar> how would one go about installing PyGaim on Ubuntu?
[11:36] <Kingsqueak> hentai: just try one, then the other, the one that works is the one ;-)
[11:36] <MrGiMmE> bruenig I already have the newest version :S
[11:37] <bruenig> MrGiMmE, didn't see that you appeared to be compiling, sudo apt-get install libqt3-mt-dev
[11:37] <MrGiMmE> !qt
[11:37] <ubotu> qt is the Q toolkit, which forms the base of KDE and a lot of other applications. For the Qt includes, install the libqt3-mt-dev package.
[11:37] <rBlong2us> does this work? app-get -get irssi && app-get -install irssi?
[11:37] <MrGiMmE> Yeah
[11:37] <hou5ton> Can anyone play the Dennis Miller on the top right side of this page?   http://www.foxnews.com/ .... and if so, with what?
[11:37] <Kingsqueak> rBlong2us: no
[11:37] <rBlong2us> I don't like GUI bloat irssi
[11:37] <MrGiMmE> I think I already have that
[11:37] <MrGiMmE> But I will check again
[11:37] <rBlong2us> sorru GUI bloat irc
[11:37] <bruenig> rBlong2us, apt-get install irssi
[11:37] <rBlong2us> bruenig: thanks
[11:38] <bruenig> rBlong2us, but I believe irssi is default
[11:38] <Flannel> it is installed by default
[11:38] <MrGiMmE> Hmm
[11:38] <MrGiMmE> I cannot connect to my repository
[11:38] <MrGiMmE> 0% [Connecting to xgl.compiz.info (<IP_ADDRESS>)]
[11:38] <MrGiMmE> Is there a different one I can use?
[11:38] <rBlong2us> bruenig: I've typed irssi on the terminal and does't let me do that
[11:39] <Flannel> MrGiMmE: ask in #ubuntu-xgl
[11:39] <rBlong2us> haaa yeas
[11:40] <Paddy_EIRE> hou5ton: yeah it works, it seems they use there own player maybe you are blocking the content in some way??
[11:40] <bruenig> irssi wasn't installed. They must have removed it from default edgy
[11:40] <bruenig> unless I uninstalled it for whatever reason, don't see why I would have but perhaps
[11:41] <rBlong2us> hi
[11:41] <rBlong2us> kewl
[11:41] <rBlong2us> this is much faste
[11:41] <rBlong2us> for christ sake
[11:41] <Flannel> bruenig: hmm, it does appear it's no longer in u-d, that's... unfortunate.
[11:42] <rBlong2us> I think the computing utopia would be for a society using computers only with CLI
[11:42] <bruenig> well if you don't have internet, you can't irc. If you do have internet, you can easily sudo apt-get install irssi.
[11:43] <Paddy_EIRE> !irssi
[11:43] <ubotu> irssi is a command line interface IRC client ( "sudo apt-get install irssi" without the quotes to try it out )
[11:43] <MrGiMmE> !qt
[11:43] <ubotu> qt is the Q toolkit, which forms the base of KDE and a lot of other applications. For the Qt includes, install the libqt3-mt-dev package.
[11:43] <Himura> can someone paste his /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[11:43] <Flannel> bruenig: if you don't have X, and don't know what IRC clients there are, you won't know how to get irssi.  On edgy, what does "irc" start (in a terminal?)
[11:44] <hou5ton> Paddy_EIRE:   I'm looking for that possibility, but can't find where I might be blocking anything.   Any suggestions?
[11:44] <Kingsqueak> Flannel: irssi here, but I removed epic4 and BitchX
[11:44] <Paddy_EIRE> hou5ton: do u use anything like "noscript" or "Adblock"
[11:44] <rBlong2us> bruenig: on my GUIbuntu install irssi wasn't there for as default
[11:44] <Flannel> Kingsqueak: On edgy?  You've installed irssi though.  That's not default, apparently.
[11:44] <hentai> how do i see what sound devices i have plugged in? i know /dev/dsp works, but i'm trying to get something out of my headset.
[11:45] <sn00p|> how do I fix my ident in ubuntu?
[11:45] <Kingsqueak> Flannel: yeah I don't even know anymore , I've installed an awful lot, irssi is early on the list
[11:45] <Celldweller> gee its quiet in here
[11:45] <bruenig> Himura, here is mine http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34218/
[11:45] <Himura> thanks
[11:45] <Celldweller> lol
[11:45] <Celldweller> heritai probe them
[11:45] <Paddy_EIRE> hou5ton: also do you have the java and flash plugins installed in firefox correctly
[11:45] <Celldweller> oh wait.... plugged in?... like what
[11:45] <Celldweller> a midi keyboard
[11:46] <Celldweller> ?
[11:46] <hou5ton> Paddy_EIRE:   maybe that's it ... I think I do ... but how can I check
[11:46] <Paddy_EIRE> hou5ton: about the java and flash plugins
[11:46] <Paddy_EIRE> ?
[11:47] <hou5ton> Paddy_EIRE:   yes
[11:47] <rBlong2us> I don't get it, Totem use xine or gstreamer?
[11:47] <Paddy_EIRE> hou5ton: try playing a video from youtube thats a good way to check
[11:47] <hou5ton> Paddy_EIRE:   YouTube works fine
[11:47] <zod_> trying to troubleshoot some issues with my nvidia card.  can someone with a nvidia card check this?
[11:47] <zod_> cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status
[11:47] <zod_> I get status disabled
[11:48] <Paddy_EIRE> hou5ton: ok, then you are sure there are no other firefox extensions that are for blocking content
[11:48] <codecaine> anybody know how to convert a video file to avi with mencoder?
[11:49] <XiXaQ> Seveas, if you are available. I cannot find a Windows port for the correct version of nxclient. The new nxclient on nomachine.com doesn't seem to be compatible with freenx?
[11:49] <rBlong2us> how can I check whether I have totem-xine or gstreamer
[11:50] <Luke> rBlong2us: it says in the help/about menu
[11:50] <Seveas> cs d
[11:50] <Flannel> rBlong2us: dpkg -l | grep [whatever]
[11:50] <bruenig> codecaine, man mencoder
[11:51] <sn00p|> how do I fix my ident in ubuntu?
[11:51] <sc0tt> hm
[11:51] <Luke> how do I remove something from my gnome-session without deleting the whole thing?
[11:51] <MrGiMmE> How are we supposed to know our architecture? :S
[11:51] <sc0tt> Anyone useful in finding out why a printer won't share?
[11:51] <rBlong2us> Luke: it says gsreamer? By the way which one is better? Xine or Gstreamer?
[11:51] <Luke> I tried editing ~/.gnome2/session but it seemed to just be the default setting
[11:51] <hou5ton> Paddy_EIRE:   what video player would I use to watch that?
[11:51] <sc0tt> !printershare
[11:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about printershare - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:51] <sc0tt> !share
[11:51] <Luke> rBlong2us: gstreamer
[11:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about share - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:51] <Flannel> MrGiMmE: by knowing what sort of computer you bought.  What sort do you have?
[11:51] <rBlong2us> Luke: thanks
[11:51] <sc0tt> BlackHawk?
[11:51] <Luke> np
[11:52] <MrGiMmE> Well It was given to me not bought, I'll check it real quick
[11:52] <BlackHawk> sc0tt ?
[11:52] <Paddy_EIRE> hou5ton: it seems to be in there own player?? but i would suggest mplayer
[11:52] <Flannel> MrGiMmE: did it run windows? or is it a mac?
[11:52] <MrGiMmE> Windows
[11:52] <Seveas> XiXaQ, seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/pool/dapper-seveas/freenx/
[11:52] <Luke> how do I remove something from my gnome-session without deleting the whole thing?
[11:52] <Flannel> MrGiMmE: then you want the 386 disk
[11:52] <MrGiMmE> Yeah I tried that
[11:52] <MrGiMmE> It gave me an error on a deb
[11:53] <Flannel> MrGiMmE: burn at 4x
[11:53] <XiXaQ> Seveas, I don't have permission...
[11:53] <CharlieSu> Anyone use rtorrent?
[11:53] <Paddy_EIRE> hou5ton: "sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer"
[11:53] <phaedrus44> is ther anyway to reverse and apt-get upgrade afdter it is done?
[11:53] <Seveas> http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/pool/dapper-seveas/freenx/nxclient-1.5.0-138.exe
[11:53] <Seveas> that should work
[11:53] <Juan____> Hi
[11:53] <MrGiMmE> Error: Dependencry is not satisfiable: libqt3-mt
[11:54] <Luke> phaedrus44: no
[11:54] <MrGiMmE> Dependency*
[11:54] <bruenig> CharlieSu, isn't rtorrent == libtorrent
[11:54] <freesun> hello, my installation of Edgy crashes always at the same point, done cd check, it's ok... is it likely HDD?
[11:54] <Flannel> MrGiMmE: this is apt-getting? or what?  Which version of ubuntu?
[11:54] <Juan____> Do you know how to run the whole K desktop from another computer ? I've the x server configured and working, I just need to know how to start KDE
[11:54] <MrGiMmE> I am installing a deb
[11:54] <MrGiMmE> libqt3-mt-dev
[11:55] <CharlieSu> bruenig: yes..  i think so
[11:55] <admin123> Is there allarround media player that handles every media film streaming etc.. ? is there a good allaroudn video player that goes whell with gnome ? (totem for example doesn't play *.rm files on ubuntu) while mplayer and realplayer do i want to get rid of the curft
[11:55] <Celldweller> freesun,  deep disk check
[11:55] <CharlieSu> bruenig: it is a command line version of it.. ncurses
[11:55] <Celldweller> ?
[11:55] <Luke> how do I remove something from my gnome-session without deleting the whole thing? I tried editing ~/.gnome2/session but it seemed to just be the default session
[11:55] <CharlieSu> bruenig: do you use it?
[11:55] <XiXaQ> Seveas, I'm downloading it. Thanks. :)
[11:55] <bruenig> CharlieSu, once, then I wimped out and went back to graphical
[11:55] <hou5ton> Paddy_EIRE:   already have that installed
[11:56] <CharlieSu> bruenig: when you used it, did you just use libtorent?
[11:56] <Flannel> MrGiMmE: installing a deb? why not use apt-get?
[11:56] <Paddy_EIRE> hou5ton: ok, this is a weird one.... I wonder what could be missing
[11:56] <bruenig> yeah that is what I meant, I used libtorrent
[11:56] <MrGiMmE> Because the repository isnt working
[11:56] <MrGiMmE> It cant connect to it
[11:56] <CharlieSu> bruenig: i didn't know libtorrent could be accessed directly.. i thought u needed rtorrent..
[11:56] <Flannel> MrGiMmE: which repository?
[11:56] <bruenig> CharlieSu, it was a long time ago perhaps I am confused
[11:57] <MrGiMmE>  http://xgl.compiz.info
[11:57] <hou5ton> Paddy_EIRE:   yes .... I'm looking for everything ... YouTube works great
[11:57] <SeAofSaRo> how do I get read/write permissions on my local drives?
[11:57] <bimberi> Luke: System -> Preferences -> Sessions, Startup Programs tab ?
[11:57] <hou5ton> CNN works great
[11:57] <XiXaQ> Seveas, perhaps you could create links on http://free.linux.hp.com/~brett/seveas/freenx/ ?
[11:57] <Luke> bimberi: dont have X working
[11:58] <Flannel> MrGiMmE: ask in #ubuntu-xgl, they might know of a mirror, or whatever.  But, libqt3-mt-dev isn't in that repository, it's in main.
[11:58] <CharlieSu> bruenig: yeah.. libtorrent is what rtorrent uses.. libtorrent is just the libraries for it i believe
[11:58] <GionnyBoss> I noticed that with Ubuntu 6.10 there is not the ' esddsp ' command... I used it to launch skype on FC6 and it worked fine... why isn't there this command? can anybody please tell me which one is the best way to run skype on Ubuntu 6.10 with the best audio quality, please? thanks
[11:58] <Luke> MrGiMmE: go to #beryl ... the main server is down
[11:58] <Luke> MrGiMmE: there is an alternate repo for ubuntu
[11:58] <hou5ton> Paddy_EIRE:   I even got video to work on MSNBC
[11:58] <bimberi> Luke: ah
[11:58] <sethk> that's just a standard KDE component, it shouldn't be hard to install (libqt3-mt-dev, that is)
[11:58] <MrGiMmE> There is?
[11:59] <Luke> yes
[11:59] <MrGiMmE> I see
[11:59] <Luke> otherwise i wouldnt have told you that ;-P
[11:59] <bltgurl> Thank you guys my wireless is working great
[11:59] <MrGiMmE> Thank you
[11:59] <bltgurl> you are awsome
[11:59] <SeAofSaRo> how do I get read/write permissions on my local drives?
[11:59] <MrGiMmE> Hmm
[11:59] <CharlieSu> Has anyone gotten libtorrent (rtorrent) working with encryption?
[12:00] <codecaine> say theres a big man file like mplayer how can you search for -ovc or sometype of text in it without scrolling?
[12:00] <Megaqwerty> !backup
[12:00] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !cloning


[00:49] <anastasiamac> axw_: this is on 2.0.0 -https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1636634... do we recommend to upgrade? and to what version?
[00:49] <mup> Bug #1636634: azure controller becomes unusable after a few days <juju:Triaged by alexis-bruemmer> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1636634>
[01:04] <axw_> anastasiamac: 2.0.2 has several related fixes in it
[01:06] <anastasiamac> axw_: awesome \o/ but it's not out yet AFAIK
[01:10] <axw_> anastasiamac: ah, I thought it was. why did it not get released? the binaries are all up there AFAICS
[01:12] <anastasiamac> axw_: m trying to find u to PM
[01:14]  * babbageclunk goes for a run
[03:05] <menn0> thumper: sigh... so cs:@
[03:05]  * menn0 tries again
[03:06] <menn0> thumper: so cs:~user/name style urls have always been broken
[03:06] <thumper> wat?
[03:06] <menn0> thumper: for migrations
[03:06] <thumper> ugh
[03:06] <menn0> thumper: the name field is read from the charm's metadata to reconstruct the charm URL
[03:06] <menn0> thumper: and that doesn't include the username part
[03:07] <menn0> thumper: will have to add an extra query arg to the upload endpoint
[03:07] <thumper> urgle
[03:15] <menn0> thumper: ignore that problem for now
[03:16] <thumper> I keep adding debug
[03:16] <thumper> and presence is looking more and more crackful
[03:16] <menn0> thumper: now testing resource migration with the cs:etcd charm which also uses a resource
[03:16] <menn0> thumper: it's so hairy I wouldn't be surprised if there's a bug hiding in there
[03:20] <thumper> menn0: interestingly though, the precheck machine presence failure finds the controller machine down
[03:20] <thumper> which is somewhat ironic
[03:20] <thumper> because that is the machine talking to the client
[03:20] <thumper> it isn't the model agents down
[03:20] <menn0> so it's clearly wrong
[03:25] <thumper> hmm
[03:27] <thumper> menn0: apparently not
[03:27] <thumper> precheck.go : 110
[03:28] <thumper> menn0: why do we check all the machines of the controller?
[03:28] <menn0> thumper: my line counts are different to yours it seems
[03:28] <thumper> 208?
[03:28] <thumper> check that one
[03:28] <thumper> checkController
[03:28] <thumper> calls checkMachines
[03:28] <thumper> which checks all the machines
[03:28] <thumper> now obviously there is still a problem
[03:28] <thumper> because the machine is clearly not down
[03:29] <menn0> thumper: b/c the migrationmaster and API server is on the controllers
[03:29] <thumper> sure, but if there are any workloads deployed in the controller, we clearly don't care
[03:29] <thumper> only care about the apiserver machines
[03:29] <thumper> so if we have one apiserver machine down
[03:30] <thumper> we can't migrate off?
[03:31] <menn0> thumper: point taken... the check is probably overly cautious
[03:31] <menn0> thumper: my thinking was that we want a good place to start from
[03:31] <thumper> yeah
[03:31] <menn0> thumper: but that's probably unnecessary
[03:31] <thumper> I'll keep looking at this failure
[03:31] <menn0> thumper: feel free to remove that check
[03:31] <thumper> it is clearly wrong
[03:31] <thumper> but unclear as to why it thinks the machine is down
[03:36] <thumper> menn0: this is just a timing bug
[03:36] <thumper> menn0: sometimes the presence main loop hasn't done a sync fully before the request for alive comes through
[03:36] <thumper> in those cases, it finds the machine down
[03:37] <thumper> the reason we see different results for status
[03:37] <thumper> is that the full status call uses state connections from the pool
[03:37] <thumper> and the migration endpoint does not
[03:37] <thumper> it creates new state instances
[03:37] <thumper> where the presence isn't fully synced before we ask it if the entities are alive
[03:38] <thumper> AFAICT
[03:38] <menn0> thumper: that makes a whole lot of sense
[03:38] <thumper> yeah, because this was as confusing as hell
[03:39] <menn0> thumper: I just found another migration issue
[03:39] <thumper> yet another?
[03:39] <menn0> thumper: the resource migration code needs to handle placeholder resources
[03:40] <menn0> thumper: this is where the resource is defined by hasn't been up/downloaded yet
[03:40] <menn0> thumper: I just ran into that with the etcd charm
[03:41] <thumper> hmm...
[03:41] <thumper> or precheck?
[03:44] <menn0> thumper: no that won't work. it's perfectly normal for a resource to be a placeholder.
[03:44] <menn0> thumper: i'll deal with it.
[03:44] <thumper> oh
[04:16] <natefinch> gah, the maas api is so weird
[05:05] <babbageclunk> natefinch: true that
[05:09] <natefinch> babbageclunk: mostly it's the gomaasapi package that I'm complaining about... it gives some really weird errors
[05:10] <babbageclunk> natefinch: well, that's ours - you should be complaining to thumper!
[05:10] <natefinch> well, I think it was inherited
[05:10] <babbageclunk> natefinch: I mean, I did (little) bits of it too.
[05:12] <babbageclunk> natefinch: oh yeah - I'm thinking about the new stuff for talking to maas 2. There's all that weird bit for the 1.0 api.
[05:16] <natefinch> the error messages are just written in such a way that you know no one ever actually expected anyone to read the errors
[05:18] <natefinch> like, if you try to connect to a server that response to <endpoint>/version with something unexpected, you get the error "Requested Map, got <nil>"  .... uh.... what?
[05:22] <natefinch> s/response/responds
[05:29] <natefinch> so like..   Or do I show the crazy errors?  Or do I recreate some of the logic externally so I can catch some reasonably common errors, like typoing IP addresses or something, and return an actual reasonable error message?
[05:36] <babbageclunk> can someone review this formatting fix please? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6627
[05:36] <babbageclunk> The bad formatting is stopping me from pushing
[05:36] <natefinch> I almost forgot parens around if statements was a thing
[05:37] <natefinch> ship it
[05:37] <babbageclunk> natefinch: ta!
[05:40] <babbageclunk> natefinch: I guess the right thing to do is to fix the gomaasapi error handling? It shouldn't be letting JSON "traversal" (I think?) errors get up to the client like that.
[05:41] <babbageclunk> natefinch: Although I recognise that might be a much bigger task. Maybe just a targetted fix in the place you're hitting now?
[05:41] <natefinch> yeah, I was thinking that
[07:01] <mup> Bug #1644331 opened: juju-deployer failed on SSL3_READ_BYTES <oil> <uosci> <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-deployer:New> <OPNFV:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1644331>
[09:21] <voidspace> frobware: did you see you had tests fail on your merge this morning?
[09:21] <voidspace> frobware: PR 6618
[09:21] <frobware> voidspace: I did.
[09:21] <voidspace> frobware: cool, just checking you'd seen
[09:22] <voidspace> in other news I got ordained last week
[09:22] <voidspace> frobware: I'm now a priest of the church of the latter day dude
[09:22] <voidspace> frobware: http://dudeism.com/
[09:25] <frobware> voidspace: :)
[09:29] <frobware> voidspace: congrats!
[09:40] <frobware> voidspace: it's difficult to separate whether it is just my PR or a general failure.
[09:40] <frobware> voidspace: macgreagoir was having trouble too
[09:42] <macgreagoir> I see tests pass but lxd deployment fail, I think. I'm trying some local lxd testing to see if its a branch problem.
[09:42] <macgreagoir> (If I can get some disk space.)
[09:50] <mgz> mornin' all
[09:59] <macgreagoir> \o mgz
[10:04] <voidspace> mgz: o/
[10:38] <jam> mgz: do you know what is up with the merge juju check failing on https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6620 ?
[10:40] <mgz> jam: let me have a look
[10:42] <mgz> lxd failed with "x509: certificate signed by unknown authority"
[10:42] <mgz> trying to talk back to the api server
[10:48] <jam> mgz: any chance the LXD containers on that machine are bridged onto the hosts network and the bug about LXD provider using gateway as its host machine is acting up?
[10:50] <mgz> jam: so, a run afterwards passed
[10:50] <mgz> so, it's either something intermittent or the branch really had an effect
[11:26] <perrito666> fun way to start the morning, my machine would not boot and wile trying to fix it I un-sudoed myself
[11:26]  * perrito666 downloads livecd and goes get a coffee
[11:27] <voidspace> perrito666: fun way to start the day...
[11:27] <perrito666> voidspace: and the week
[11:27] <perrito666> that must be worth something
[11:28] <voidspace> perrito666: heh
[12:11] <perrito666> bbl, errands
[12:15] <rick_h> mgz: ping
[12:16] <rick_h> mgz: can you please pair up with voidspace and help look at how the testing is setup/working on this OIL problem and see if there's anything that jumps out to you about why it works with 2.0.1 and fails with the version bump commit right after?
[12:17] <mgz> rick_h: heya
[12:18] <mgz> sure, voidspace, maybe we do hangout and hang out?
[12:31] <rick_h> voidspace: ping for standup
[12:35] <voidspace> rick_h: sorry, omw
[12:38] <voidspace> mgz: yep, cool
[13:03] <voidspace> mgz: ok, this time I see tags/juju-2.0.1 with a custom version number failing
[13:03] <voidspace> mgz: which makes more sense to me
[13:03] <voidspace> mgz: because then the problem is consistent - use a non-standard stream version in this environment and it fails
[13:04] <voidspace> mgz: trying again with this version and then trying vanilla 2.0.1 to confirm
[13:04] <voidspace> mgz: and then writing it up
[13:06] <mgz> voidspace: ace, thanks
[14:02] <voidspace> mgz: I'm now seeing the same failure with vanilla 2.0.1
[14:02] <voidspace> mgz: so having to repeat
[14:03] <voidspace> mgz: vanilla 2.0.1 worked for me earlier today
[14:03] <voidspace> mgz: if it continues to fail I will try 2.0.2 and if the failure mode is the same then I will conclude that I am fully unable to reproduce the problem
[14:03] <mgz> voidspace: I feel this repo is just not reliable enough...
[14:04] <voidspace> mgz: I'll send you the email I *was* going to send you when I thought vanilla 2.0.1 would work
[14:04] <voidspace> mgz: I think you might be right
[14:07] <voidspace> rick_h: I have updated bug 1642609 and continue to work on it
[14:07] <mup> Bug #1642609: [2.0.2] many maas nodes left undeployed when deploying multiple models simultaneously on single controller <oil> <oil-2.0> <regression> <juju:Triaged by mfoord> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1642609>
[14:08] <mup> Bug #1645729 opened: environment unstable after 1.25.8 upgrade <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1645729>
[14:31] <rick_h> voidspace: ty /me looks
[14:32] <voidspace> rick_h: I am right in the *middle* of another vanilla 2.0.1 deploy
[14:32] <voidspace> rick_h: which I'm sure yesterday worked fine and today the last one just failed in the same way as the custom versions fail for me
[14:32] <rick_h> voidspace: k, can we run this test on other hardware?
[14:32] <voidspace> rick_h: so I am almost back to knowing nothing I think
[14:32] <rick_h> voidspace: can we test it on a public cloud, or another MAAS?
[14:33] <voidspace> rick_h: it's 50 odd machines
[14:33] <rick_h> voidspace: see if we can isolate it to the OIL hardware or something?
[14:33] <voidspace> rick_h: I can try it on a public cloud
[14:33] <voidspace> rick_h: I can't do it on my maas
[14:33] <rick_h> voidspace: k, at 50 machines we'll need big credentials I think.
[14:33] <rick_h> voidspace: let me know and I can get you some gce creds that might work
[14:33]  * rick_h hasn't tried 50 machines on there yet
[14:34] <voidspace> hah
[14:34] <rick_h> voidspace: can you shoot me the instructions for replicating please?
[14:34] <rick_h> voidspace: I'd like to see how involved it is
[14:39] <voidspace> rick_h: sent
[14:39] <voidspace> rick_h: what's the current state of the art encrypted messaging service - is it still telegram or something else
[14:40] <rick_h> voidspace: yea, telegram is the usual thing we use at sprints/etc
[14:42] <voidspace> rick_h: must install that before we leave for the sprint
[14:43] <voidspace> rick_h: mgz: vanilla 2.0.1 failed for me a second time, now retrying (again) 2.0.2 to check the failure mode is the same
[14:43] <voidspace> rick_h: (6 models, 49 machines, 63 applications)
[14:43] <rick_h> voidspace: k
[14:44] <voidspace> even tearing down the environment takes time
[14:45] <rick_h> voidspace: rgr, I'd like to talk to larry on this I think.
[14:45] <voidspace> rick_h: yep
[14:45] <voidspace> rick_h: I was going to copy him in on that email I sent martin as I assumed 2.0.1 would *work* and then I would have some actual data
[14:46] <voidspace> rick_h: as it is I am back to having no useful data I don't think
[14:46] <voidspace> rick_h: other than maybe that the repro I have been given isn't reliable
[14:46] <rick_h> voidspace: rgr, let's hold off atm
[14:46] <rick_h> voidspace: take a break off it for a bit while we sort out some cross team bits I think
[14:47] <rick_h> mgz: please let me know if anything there's looked fishy
[14:47] <mgz> I'm reading over the details now
[14:47] <voidspace> rick_h: ok, I have a 2.0.2 deploy in progress I will leave running
[14:47] <rick_h> voidspace: rgr
[14:50] <mgz> we really only have two candiate changes in the 2.0.1 to 2.0.2 range
[14:51] <mgz> pr #6537 (bump gomaasapi)
[14:51] <mgz> pr #6527 (constrain to 3.5GB mem for controllers)
[14:51] <rick_h> voidspace: do we have the ability to track controller metrics, cpu/ram/etc during the deploy?
[14:52] <mgz> and that second one would need to be some weird maas machine selection problem to be relevent
[14:53] <rick_h> voidspace: if you have a sec can you jump in the standup early
[14:53] <voidspace> rick_h: yep, coming now
[15:42]  * frobware first attempt at bridging only single interfaces ... does not work. :(
[15:43] <frobware> boo
[15:43] <frobware> though this may only be related to bonds.
[15:43] <rick_h> doh
[15:44] <frobware> rick_h: the behaviour is different to what we had before.
[15:45] <frobware> rick_h: and it could be MAAS 2.1 specific.
[15:45] <frobware> so many permutations. so few automated baselines. :(
[15:46]  * frobware wanders off to see if there's any chocolate in the house.
[15:49] <frobware> rick_h: a little pricy, but dual NICS with vPro - http://www.logicsupply.com/uk-en/mc500-51/
[15:51] <rick_h> frobware: ping Mike and Andres on a hardware suggestion and will OK it
[15:51] <frobware> rick_h: are you saying definitely not that one? or just choose waht Mike+A already use?
[15:52] <rick_h> I think asking what they use/test Maas on seems like a good way to go about it and make sure it's something that will work on Maas.
[15:52] <frobware> rick_h: ok
[15:52] <rick_h> frobware: ^
[15:53] <frobware> rick_h: I'm wondering if my bond issues are a vMAAS issue only. If I manage to ssh in run `ifdown br-bond0; ifup br-bond0` it springs into life.
[15:53] <frobware> rick_h: but that's the exact same sequence that has just run - and you do see sensible values for routes, configured interfaces, addresses, et al.
[15:56] <rick_h> frobware: k, can we put together a test case and see if we can get help verifying it with someone with real hardware?
[16:01] <frobware> rick_h: can do. just need to clean stuff up. will ping mike and andres in the meantime.
[18:23] <alexisb> perrito666, ping
[18:26] <perrito666> alexisb: pong
[20:32] <menn0> thumper: this is last night's work. it undoes an early design decision regarding resource migrations: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6628
[20:33] <thumper> will look
[20:34] <menn0> thumper: cheers
[20:40] <thumper> menn0: looks good
[20:41] <menn0> thumper:  thanks
[20:41] <thumper> menn0: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6629
[20:41]  * menn0 looks
[20:49] <menn0> thumper: done
[20:50] <thumper> ta
[20:52] <babbageclunk> menn0, thumper: could you take another look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6622 please?
[21:12] <menn0> babbageclunk: forgot to say, ship it
[21:13] <menn0> babbageclunk: with a couple of comments
[21:13] <babbageclunk> menn0: thanks! looking now
[21:14] <menn0> babbageclunk: once this lands can you also send an email to veebers and torsten about this being ready for the planned CI test?
[21:14] <babbageclunk> menn0: sure
[21:17] <menn0> babbageclunk: thinking about it, is ShortWait enough time for the the goroutine to start waiting on the clock?
[21:17] <menn0> babbageclunk: that seems like a flaky test waiting to happen
[21:18] <menn0> babbageclunk: I think you need to wait up to LongWait
[21:18] <babbageclunk> menn0: ShortWait's 50ms - that should be *heaps* of time for it to catch up, shouldn't it?
[21:19] <babbageclunk> menn0: Ok, I'll bump it up to be on the safe side.
[21:19] <menn0> babbageclunk: we see things that *should* happen in ms take seconds on overcommitted test machines all the time
[21:19] <menn0> babbageclunk: LongWait is the time we wait for things that *should* happen
[21:20] <menn0> babbageclunk: if you change the wait for LongWait (10s) then WaitAdvance will take at least 1s each all
[21:20] <babbageclunk> menn0: Even with LongWait the test still takes 0s - I guess in the usual case on a not-really-loaded machine the other side's already waiting.
[21:20] <menn0> babbageclunk: I think WaitAdvance needs to be changed so that pause is a fixed amount
[21:20] <menn0> instead of w / 10
[21:21] <menn0> maybe pause should just be ShortWait
[21:21] <menn0> that would remove my concern about WaitAdvance blowing out test times
[21:21] <menn0> b/c it'll finish within ShortWait of the correct number of waiters turning up
[21:21] <babbageclunk> menn0: Yeah, I think so too - I had an idea about how to do it without polling but I haven't had a chance to try it out. We can talk about it at the sprint.
[21:22] <menn0> babbageclunk: sounds good. a non polling approach would be preferable
[21:24] <babbageclunk> menn0: Ooh, I thought it was racy but a nice tweak just occurred to me - if notifyAlarms was a chan int and always got the number of waiters (instead of a struct{}{}) that might do it.
[21:25] <menn0> babbageclunk: interesting... worth playing with
[21:53] <thumper> the test clock alarms was designed exactly to have a test wait on the signal that showed that something had called clock.After()
[21:59] <alexisb> perrito666, I am running a little late
[22:00] <perrito666> no worries, I am still logging in
[22:06] <mup> Bug #1644331 changed: juju-deployer failed on SSL3_READ_BYTES <deployer> <oil> <python> <uosci> <OpenStack Charm Test Infra:Confirmed> <juju:Won't Fix> <juju-core:Won't Fix> <juju-deployer:New> <OPNFV:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1644331>
[22:07] <thumper> menn0: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6631
[22:16] <babbageclunk> thumper: yeah, but you can't rely on the fact that there's a message on the alarms channel to mean there's something waiting, because multiple waiters can be removed with one advance.
[22:17] <thumper> babbageclunk: ok
[22:23] <menn0> thumper: ship it
[22:24] <thumper> menn0: what about a later check?
[22:24] <thumper> menn0: it is possible that during initiation a hook may be executing
[22:24] <thumper> which may then put the charm into a failed state
[22:24] <thumper> I'm trying to remember
[22:24] <thumper> is that OK?
[22:24] <thumper> I *think* it is...
[22:27] <alexisb> menn0, did I see that correctly, did MM resources land?
[22:27] <menn0> alexisb: no, just a step towards it
[22:28] <menn0> alexisb: during my testing yesterday I realised that an early design decision wasn't going to work out - that PR reverses it
[22:28] <menn0> well changes it
[23:15] <babbageclunk> menn0, thumper - what's the timestamp granularity of our log messages? Is it nanos?
[23:22] <thumper> babbageclunk: maybe
[23:22] <babbageclunk> thumper: :) thanks
[23:22] <babbageclunk> thumper: looks like it from the code.
[23:22] <babbageclunk> thumper: or at least, the storage won't chop off any nanos that are there.
[23:22] <thumper> omg this pie is good
[23:44] <axw> wallyworld jam menn0 katco: I won't be able to make tech board today, doing the roster at my son's kindy


[08:23] <ubotu> New on thefridge: Your recipes needed for the Official Ubuntu Book! <http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/737>
[09:40] <Seveas> Any fridge editors awake?


[08:29] <tachibana> i love you lubuntu
[08:30] <tachibana> i have so many improvement ideas for you but I cant code fluently
[08:35] <jdx> tachibana,  you can go to the bug tracker and make feature requests
[08:36] <tachibana> it's so annoying that you gotta know a 6 key hashcode to change the time format in lxde
[08:37] <tachibana> army time is for betas
[08:39] <tachibana> betas that fantasize about getting bossed around by drill sergeants and possibly even about getting drilled by said 'drill seargents'
[08:40] <tachibana> this is low cpu resources stuck on yoda's planet luke skywalker master race
[08:40] <tachibana> not scooterpuff jr. with extra turtle wax master race
[16:08] <Paul-Z> Hi!
[16:08] <Paul-Z> Umm... What is the packname of desktop pages setting? thanks
[16:10] <Paul-Z> is there a list of all of lxde pack?
[18:17] <dimitris> hello
[18:18] <Guest53668> i have a really old pc with 128 kb ram
[18:18] <Guest53668> what lubuntu or lxle is best for it?
[18:20] <Guest53668> ?
[18:23] <bioterror> 128 kb?
[18:24] <Guest53668> yeap
[18:27] <liber> i removed some pkgs including xorg mesa and gpu driver and installed them again a little after that but now x wont start
[18:28] <liber> only error it gives is /usr/bin/openbox error wile loading shared libraries: libEGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: no suck file or directory
[18:28] <liber> what is this about, i am a bit lost
[18:30] <ianorlin> liber: you need graphics drivers to run X
[18:30] <liber> they are installed, all of the removed pkgs


[00:04] <chronofire> I have a python process that was running on a different session, it is still running and I would like the view the active log, is there a way to do this without having to stop/restart the process?
[00:30] <texla> How do we upgrade to Ubuntu 18.04.3
[00:32] <Bashing-om> texla: from what ?
[00:37] <texla> 18.04.2
[00:38] <texla> Bashing-om, It is not available in update manager at the moment
[00:39] <texla> Bashing-om, or software updater in lts catagory
[00:41] <chronofire> @bashing-om thanks for the help earlier, now i have a new question lol. I have a python process that was running on a different session, it is still running and I would like the view the active log, is there a way to do this without having to stop/restart the process? I closed out the session by accident
[00:50] <texla> How do we upgrade to Ubuntu 18.04.3 from 18.04.2
[00:50] <OerHeks> just apt full-upgrade/dist-upgrade
[00:51] <OerHeks> cat /etc/issue
[00:51] <OerHeks> Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS \n \l
[00:52] <OerHeks> or what happens when you hit the update button?
[00:52] <texla> OerHeks,  Invalid operation full-upgrade/dist-upgrade
[00:59] <Bashing-om> chronofire: That is something to think about . what shows ' journalctl -f ' Where you (f)ollow what gets written to the log file ?
[01:00] <Bashing-om> texla: Show us in a pastebin ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo apt full-upgrade ' .
[01:02] <chronofire> i actually had to stop the process because it did not appear to be working correctly
[01:04] <Bashing-om> chronofire: Better luck next time :P
[01:07] <texla> Bashing-om, https://pastebin.com/aj5NiZND
[01:08] <Bashing-om> texla: Looking,
[01:11] <Bashing-om> texla: Looks sane to me .. what shows ' lsb_release -a ' ?
[01:14] <texla> Bashing-om, https://pastebin.com/982fi04z
[01:16] <Bashing-om> texla: "Description:    Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS" you are setting pretty :P
[01:18] <texla> Bashing-om, why no lab_release
[01:19] <texla> ^lsb
[01:19] <texla> Bashing-om, Thanks for the help
[01:21] <Bashing-om> texla: Linux Standard Base -- from debian - means what it says, there are none present in the ubuntu install :)
[01:25] <Bashing-om> texla: See: apt show lsb-core .
[01:35] <lucas_ai> I'm trying to read an H264 video stream in python but it seems there are NO libraries for this... wtf? - how am I supposed to decode H264 frames?
[01:44] <roothorick> I wanted some clarification... systemd-networkd documentation says the default for KeepConfiguration is "dhcp-on-stop" which means "systemd-networkd will not drop addresses and routes on stopping the daemon." Does this mean it's safe to assume that network interfaces are still active when the poweroff command is issued?
[01:44] <roothorick> My goal is to issue a shutdown command to a UPS over the network
[01:45] <roothorick> NUT won't work, as I'm turning off outlet groups, not the whole UPS, and this requires custom SNMP OIDs
[01:46] <roothorick> Why? Load shedding. Killing off a power hungry server so the firewall and WAP get more run time
[02:48] <matyd> is there anyone that can assist with livepatch? internal error and it's not patching, i've refreshed it but no luck
[02:58] <k_sze> There's a command line tool that takes stdin and puts it in the GNOME clipboard, right?
[02:58] <k_sze> can't remember the name
[03:00] <Bashing-om> k_sze: xclip ?
[03:03] <lucas_ai> it seems ffmpeg cannot decode h264... only mp4
[03:04] <k_sze> Bashing-om, got it, thanks.
[03:05] <k_sze> had to add `-sel clip` arguments to it.
[03:05] <k_sze> but I have no idea why that's not documented in the man page at all.
[03:07] <k_sze> Or rather, the man page mentions XA_PRIMARY, etc without explaining what they are.
[03:10] <Bashing-om> k_sze: Pat on the back for figuring it out :P
[04:30] <canadaj> can anyone help me diagnose a multi-monitor issue im having? i'm using a usb-c dock with my laptop and the 2 hdmi monitors i have connected via the dock show up as a single monitor in Displays, and the monitors are mirrored
[04:46] <bug_sniper> Could someone help me with my gpu drivers please? I have an RX 570 but Steam's system information says Video Card:
[04:46] <bug_sniper>     Driver:  X.Org AMD RAVEN (DRM 3.27.0, 5.0.0-25-generic, LLVM 9.0.0)
[05:01] <gvsa123_> hellow world!
[05:39] <CarlFK> Setting up vim (2:8.0.1453-1ubuntu1.1  Whoo hooo!!!!
[05:39] <CarlFK> sudo dpkg --remove --force-depends python3.6  libpython3.6-minimal  ... thank you https://askubuntu.com/questions/1066823/how-can-i-remove-python-3-6-installed-from-deadsnakes-ppa-after-upgrade-to-ubunt
[05:40] <CarlFK> I had that PPA
[05:50] <bug_sniper> Could someone help me with my gpu drivers please? I have an AMD RX 570 but Steam's system information instead says Video Card:
[05:50] <bug_sniper> Driver:  X.Org AMD RAVEN (DRM 3.27.0, 5.0.0-25-generic, LLVM 9.0.0)
[05:50] <bug_sniper> and so, I don't think it's finding my graphics card
[05:58] <CrtxReavr> "docker.io" is the package to get Docker?
[05:58] <geirha> yes
[05:59] <CrtxReavr> Thank you.
[06:08] <freespirit-girl> Anyone here familiar with wp cli ?
[06:10] <lotuspsychje> is it ubuntu related freespirit-girl ?
[06:11] <freespirit-girl> well it is a command line tool
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> freespirit-girl: ask your question to the channel please, perhaps volunteers might know what to do
[06:14] <freespirit-girl> I am trying to check WordPress plugins 100% compatibility using wp-cli .. anyone have any ideas?
[06:24] <MrCrackPot> freespirit-girl, it think better to ask here #wordpress-cli
[06:25] <freespirit-girl> there is 4 people in that channel
[06:26] <Sakara> Is it possible to prevent some specific threads of a process from being scheduled?
[06:30] <EriC^^> Sakara: "man nice"
[06:33] <Sakara> Is there a nice value that will mean never be scheduled?
[06:34] <Sakara> max is 19 and it mentions "east favorable to the process" which means it will still be scheduled is the machine isn't saturated
[06:42] <Sakara> EriC^^: I think I can run a yes(1) per CPU then setting nice of 19 for my thread might actually do the trick. I will try that now thanks.
[06:43] <MrCrackPot> freespirit-girl, you could try the #ubuntu-offtopic channel but this is mainly for the Ubuntu OS
[06:44] <Sakara> EriC^^: nope didn't work. even with a nice of 19 and a yes(1) piping to null for every CPU on my system the thread I want to test what happens when it doesnt do anything still runs
[06:45] <Sakara> I'm honestly surprised I can't find a simple way to do this.
[06:56] <Aavar> Is there a simple way to take a snapshot of my system before a software upgrade that may break my system?
[07:11] <ducasse> Aavar: there is with zfs or btrfs
[07:14] <Aavar> ducasse, Can i use LVM? I guess I have to reinstall before doing anything anyway...
[07:14] <Aavar> Ext4 now.
[07:15] <ducasse> Aavar: i think so, but i have no experience with that
[07:16] <Aavar> ducasse, ok :)
[07:16] <Aavar> I guess I'll have to just try to do the update and hope for the best :P
[07:56] <dimm> hello, All! Please answer to me. Is this possible to setup dns server which i must use when i connected to some vpn? I use native ubuntu 16.04 vpn client
[07:58] <n8w> hey, after switching(soft&update>>additional drivers) from nvidia drivers(390) to nouveau, all im getting is console, no gui...any suggesttion?u18.4
[08:14] <sonOfRa> is your card a 20xx or 16xx series card?
[08:18] <n8w> sonOfRa ye,sry...forgot to mention...its gt555m
[08:18] <sonOfRa> hm, shouldn't be a problem then, no idea
[08:45] <CheetahPixie> I'm having a small issue.
[08:45] <CheetahPixie> I'm trying to update stuff, and now rpcbind is complaining that "Unit -.mount is masked".
[08:45] <CheetahPixie> I have literally no clue how to solve this.
[08:46] <CheetahPixie> No related or referred-to service unit seems to have any references to .mount.
[08:46] <CheetahPixie> Only actual references to non-systemd files are to a related service? to itself (rpcbind.socket), but that's it
[08:48] <CheetahPixie> ...apparently, closing gparted fixed it.
[08:49] <pomeha> Hi. When I install ubuntu server and do apt upgrade for the first time - it asks whether I want to automatically (without prompts) restart dependent services upon upgrading some packages like libssl. How to later change that decision? Where is that decision stored?
[08:56] <EoflaOE> pomeha: The answer is stored through debconf. You can modify it using debconf-set-selections, and you can get decisions stored using debconf-get-selections. You may have to install debconf-utils though. Pastebin the output of debconf-get-selections.
[08:58] <pomeha> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source However the following packages replace it: debconf-i18n
[10:17] <ringonsp> hi there guys
[10:17] <ringonsp> could some one help me on a config of nextcloud please_
[10:17] <n8w> x server no longer starts automatically after a reinstall(always have to manually execute startx)….systemctl get-default returns graphical.target. Any suggestions?
[10:17] <ringonsp> ?
[10:19] <pomeha> ringonsp: nextcloud is so-so
[10:19] <ringonsp> right...
[10:19] <ringonsp> i-m tryibng to get help about that and other question
[10:20] <ringonsp> joint a domain
[10:20] <ringonsp> that too is getting me nuts...
[10:20] <pomeha> don't ask to ask
[10:20] <pomeha> you got problem -> post it
[10:20] <ringonsp> ok
[10:21] <ringonsp> so
[10:21] <ringonsp> i followed the most common steps to join a domain in ubuntu
[10:22] <ringonsp> but it keeps retrivieng the error that it cant reach the domain, and i can ping it
[10:27] <mastro> hi, I just upgraded from ubuntu 18.04 to Disco Dingo. After the upgrade i rebooted, and now I can't login.  Tried went on console and check for .xsessions-errors but the file isn't even there
[10:34] <mastro> ok, /var/log/syslog show a gnome crash with signal 6. Gjs:ERROR: .....
[10:35] <mastro> this is the error https://www.gitmemory.com/issue/petres/gnome-shell-extension-extensions/17/485691333
[10:39] <mastro> I looked at the error more closely, it was an extension causing the crash, fixed it with gnome-shell-extension-tool -d<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[10:40] <mastro> i'm really really really disgusted by the fact that an extension is not automatically disabled after a crash and that put an user into a login loop instead
[10:40] <mastro> I know my way around but most user wouldn't... this is not acceptable
[10:44] <huberp> Hallo. Is there an ETA for the kernel 5.0.0. without the mdadm rebuild bug?
[10:59] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:14] <zzarr> hello!
[11:17] <zzarr> if there's a package on a repository, how do I download it with wget?
[11:18] <Fuchs> zzarr: why would you want to?
[11:19] <Fuchs> zzarr: if you have apt at hand on the box, use the --download-only  parameter instead
[11:19] <Fuchs> if you don't: yes, you can, you just need to figure out the Url, which might depend on whether the package is for a specific architecture etc.
[11:19] <zzarr> true, but I don't have  a ubuntu disco armhf installation and I need the armhf version of glibc (2.29) for a raspberry pi (raspbian)
[11:20] <zzarr> I wish to compose a url to the glibc package for disco from ports.ubuntu.com
[11:24] <zzarr> I found it :) it's http://ports.ubuntu.com/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.29-0ubuntu3_armhf.deb
[11:29] <Habbie> zzarr, uh, you're going to install the disco glibc on raspbian?
[11:30] <zzarr> there is no glibc 2.29 for raspbian and to compile it takes forever
[11:32] <Habbie> why do you need 2.29?
[11:32] <zzarr> a software project
[11:33] <Habbie> aha
[11:33] <Habbie> well, i doubt that glibc will work on raspbian
[11:33] <Habbie> but i guess you're about to find out
[11:33] <zzarr> I have decided to debootstrap a disco install
[11:33] <zzarr> I have found out
[11:34] <Habbie> zzarr, what pi model?
[11:34] <zzarr> 3
[11:34] <Habbie> ok, good
[11:35] <zzarr> debian version is buster, but no matter what version there's no newer glibc then 2.28
[11:35] <Habbie> ubuntu/debian armhf code cannot run at all on the 1
[11:35] <Habbie> indeed
[11:38] <zzarr> how do I get the signature for ports.ubuntu.com?
[11:39] <zzarr> (so I can use the repos)
[11:41] <zzarr> I tried to run the line sudo debootstrap --arch=armhf disco /ubuntu https://ports.ubuntu.com/
[11:41] <zzarr> but I get this warning "W: Cannot check Release signature; keyring file not available /usr/share/keyrings/ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg"
[11:42] <Habbie> apt install ubuntu-archive-keyring?
[11:43] <Habbie> or ubuntu-keyring
[11:46] <zzarr> I thought that would not work on debian (raspbian)... but it did
[11:46] <Habbie> zzarr, good :)
[11:46] <zzarr> :)
[11:46] <zzarr> thanks
[12:03] <ZeuZ> Hey all, I cant seem to get QtCreator to display in spanish
[12:04] <ZeuZ> Is there some package I'm missing?
[12:24] <Elliria> Hey there, heads up that archive.canonical.com is down.
[12:25] <guiverc> Elliria, do you mean archive.ubuntu.com ?
[12:26] <Elliria> Nope. It's archive.canonical.com that's down. You can't run sudo apt-get update right now because it hangs at it. I then went to downforeveryoneorjustme.com and checked and it's not me - it's down.
[12:27] <Elliria> 0% [Connecting to archive.canonical.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)]
[12:27] <guiverc> Elliria, i get Hit:7 http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu eoan InRelease
[12:28] <Elliria> Are you able to complete a sudo apt-get update on your machine?
[12:28] <Elliria> Ah, it's working now. Yay. Thanks.
[12:28] <guiverc> I'm waiting to find out (slow internet down under)
[12:29] <Elliria> It's all better now. It was down earlier.
[12:30] <guiverc> (finally I'm at full-upgrade step.. _)
[13:00] <plm> Hi all
[13:00] <EriC^^> hello
[13:01] <plm> How I do switch applications, but without select a group and after go to one app that group. I would like many applications select liek as in the past.
[13:01] <plm> I'm using ubntu 18.4
[13:01] <plm> example: I have many chrome, so on ALT+TAB show just one chrome.
[13:02] <EriC^^> plm: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1036248/how-to-separate-opened-windows-in-alttab-switcher-in-ubuntu-18-04
[13:02] <plm> after I  switch do that crhoome ghroup, show me all, but I would like slways all
[13:02] <plm> EriC^^: thanks
[13:02] <EriC^^> plm: no problem
[13:06] <maszlo> Is there a way to monitor if a kernel module stops working?  My puzzle is this, I have a asus c202sa that is running ubuntu. the touchpad stops working at times and only solutions to fix it are to reboot, or to modprobe -r and then add it again. I have built other scripts for servers that would check to see if something is running and if it is do nothing else start it.  but not sure this is possible with kernel modules
[13:08] <plm> EriC^^: more one think, I have more window, how I add. I have just 3
[13:08] <plm> EriC^^: that windows that we change with CTRL + ALT + keys (-> <-, etc)
[13:11] <EriC^^> maszlo: did you check "dmesg" for any errors about the module?
[13:11] <EriC^^> plm: i'm not sure what you mean
[13:12] <EriC^^> ctrl+alt+<number> doesnt do anything for me
[13:12] <plm> EriC^^: that all virtual window that you change with CTRL + ALT + (-> <-, etc)
[13:12] <maszlo> EriC^^: that is where I first looked.. oddly I didn't see anything. I was wondering if there was some command that would test a modules status or something like that to write into the script
[13:12] <plm> EriC^^: no number,
[13:13] <maszlo> I do not have the device with me at the moment.
[13:13] <plm> EriC^^: that key below of 'End' key
[13:15] <plm> EriC^^: ohh, I see here that it expand automatically, but just for down, not for right
[13:17] <EriC^^> plm: oh ok, the arrow keys
[13:17] <plm> EriC^^: yes, the workspaces
[13:17] <plm> EriC^^: I would like do add for the right too
[13:21] <EriC^^> maszlo: if you just wanted the status if it's loaded you could check with lsmod i guess, not sure about any real time info or output kinda stuff about it though
[13:23] <maszlo> EriC^^: yea I looked at that but not sure that will help since it would technically be loaded.  or else the modprobe -r command would just yell at you :)
[13:33] <wgwz1> does anyone know how to set the terminal in ubuntu 18.04 to not go to current working directory when opening a new tab? i want all new tabs to open in my home directory
[13:41] <LambdaComplex> Does the Ubuntu installer allow for disk encryption?
[13:42] <pragmaticenigma> LambdaComplex: yes, Ubuntu will offer one of two options... you can encrypt the entire disk, or you can encrypt only the user's home directory, or both
[13:42] <pragmaticenigma> sorry, that was three
[14:02] <EriC^^> wgwz1: you could modify your ~/.bashrc i guess to do that
[14:04] <EriC^^> ( add PWD=$HOME ) to the bottom of it
[14:08] <EriC^^> wgwz1: actually if you edit your profile for the terminal, there's a "run command instead of shell" you can put "bash -i" there and it would give you a login shell with your home dir set
[14:15] <wgwz1> thanks EriC^^ i'll give that a try
[14:34] <rapidwave> Is Xenial the latest LTS?
[14:39] <jfcaron> What's the generally-recommended VM software to use on Ubuntu?  I'm used to VirtualBox but people have told me it's not so good.
[14:40] <ioria> !kvm | jfcaron
[14:42] <jfcaron> Thank you.
[14:43] <ioria> ok
[14:43] <jfcaron> Oh, I'm looking to run a virtual GUI desktop on an Ubuntu desktop, so that page recommends VirtualBox anyways.
[14:44] <jfcaron> ^_^
[14:56] <bernyrd> I have a modem with broken PPPoE. It has option "forward external IP over DHCP," so I use this. It allow 1 client to get external IP. Great, this did work, and works on Windows. But now on Ubuntu with netplan, I get assigned a 192.168.1.x address and not the external. On Windows this happens also, but after a few seconds it changes to the external IP by itself.
[14:57] <bernyrd> I am using netplan
[14:57] <bernyrd> basically I just set enp30s0 to ipv4 and dhcp
[15:02] <Sven_vB> hi! I'm a bit worried about the temperatures smartd reports in syslog: "smartd[962]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], SMART Usage Attribute: 194 Temperature_Celsius changed from 187 to 181" smartctl --all reports "181" in the VALUE and WORST columns as "33 (Min/Max 11/51)" in the RAW column, and english Wikipedia says the lower byte is the actual temperature, but then I wonder, what's the VALUE and why would smartd report that instead of RAW?
[15:03] <Sven_vB> there's also a wide variety of VALUEs accross some machines I queried: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/8397babd
[15:03] <hans_> what should i click if i want timezone UTC+0 ? https://i.imgur.com/7GD7aFT.png
[15:04] <Sven_vB> hans_, try to scroll down with arrow keys, there should be UTC somewhere
[15:04] <AlexP11223> hm, does EXT4 really limits file names to 255 bytes? :( Even NTFS allows 255 characters and iirc there is an option to increase it
[15:04] <AlexP11223> I have some files in google drive with non-English names that exceed this limit (mostly screenshots with the active window name)
[15:04] <hans_> nope, the only alternatives are "Newfoundland", "Atlantic", "Eastern", "Central", "East Saskatchewan", "Saskatchewan", "Mountain", Pacific" and "<Go Back>"
[15:05] <hans_> Sven_vB, ^
[15:05] <hans_> i don't get more options if i scroll down
[15:05] <hans_> this is the 18.04 network installer, btw
[15:05] <Sven_vB> hans_, I'd try central, and hope there will still be a Back button if it's not in there. ;)
[15:05] <Sven_vB> you can probably change it later anyways
[15:06] <hans_> when i said Central, it went all the way to "partition disks"
[15:06] <hans_> dunno what Central means but yeah can probably change it latert
[15:07] <bernyrd> AlexP11223: Seems like it does. I always figured there was no limit. But, file name is 255, path size is 4096.
[15:07] <bernyrd> These are kind of small
[15:07] <Sven_vB> AlexP11223, dunno, I'd just rename them anyway. or you could create a virtual disk, i.e. a file with a(nother) filesystem in it.
[15:08] <bernyrd> AlexP11223: Consider this, though https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems#Limits
[15:08] <Sven_vB> hans_, the installer may have limited your options based on the country you chose. (I assume you did, and picked USA).
[15:08] <bernyrd> I guess way you deal in Linux is same as Windows. Create soft loopback mount point.
[15:09] <bernyrd> So /mnt/long/path/.../over/4096 -> /mnt/long
[15:09] <hans_> Sven_vB, actually i chose physical location "Canada" because the server is physically located in Canada, and i chose en_US.UTF-8 keyboard layout, for what that's worth
[15:11] <bernyrd> AlexP11223: Only 3 filesystem type allow >255, and of those only UniFS is one I aware of
[15:13] <AlexP11223> yeah my issue is with the file name itself, not path. 255 bytes can be much less than 255 characters if the name is not in English, e.g. 255/2 for Russian
[15:23] <bernyrd> true, I think Thai is the worst
[15:23] <bernyrd> workaround I guess is don't do that
[15:26] <subcool> ok.. could someone explain this. Every time i start fresh on my install. I install windows, and then ubuntu. Every time i install ubuntu. Windows is no longer functional. at all
[15:27] <lordcirth> subcool, BIOS or EFI? What Windows version, Ubuntu version, and Ubuntu install method?
[15:28] <subcool> lordcirth, bios - i dont have much luck with efi. Windows 7 - ubuntu 18.04 - ubuntu graphical install
[15:28] <lordcirth> subcool, and what partitioning option do you choose in the installer?
[15:28] <subcool> just down, i heard the Chime of windows starting- but the graphics were jacked.
[15:29] <lordcirth> Oh, I thought you meant it just didn't boot
[15:29] <subcool> lordcirth, ? what do you mean?
[15:29] <subcool> lordcirth, sometimes - it doesnt even boot.
[15:29] <lordcirth> subcool, so Windows does boot, but the graphics are broken? Are you sure this doesn't also happen if you *don't* install Ubuntu, and just reboot?
[15:29] <subcool> i just re-imaged a usb to reinstall.
[15:29] <subcool> lordcirth, im sure.
[15:30] <lordcirth> That doesn't sound like any issue I've seen.
[15:30] <subcool> lordcirth, i stopped installing all the drivers to make windows work, because it pointless. i spend a couple hours and reboots making it operational. just for debian or ubuntu to kill it. (kinda, i still blame windows)
[15:31] <fromBeyond> Hi. Since many things broke with python3.7 i wanted to remove it from Ubuntu 19.04, and install 3.6. So i ran "sudo apt-get remove python3.7". This uninstalled many things, and now when i open the terminal, it is all black (I had gnome-terminal, oh my zsh before). Any tips what to do? I ran "sudo apt-get install python3.7" to try and revert, to no avail
[15:31] <subcool> Ok, is there a successful way to fix grub if i install windows second? every time i do it. grub-fix erros about a package manager being open.
[15:32] <lordcirth> fromBeyond, yeah, don't uninstall critical system packages. Look in /var/log/apt/ for all the dependent packages that also got removed, and reinstall them.
[15:32] <lordcirth> subcool, you could boot the Boot Repair ISO
[15:33] <fromBeyond> lordcirth: i did not know it was system critical. Big mistake on my part
[15:33] <lordcirth> fromBeyond, you said "This uninstalled many things". That's why apt shows you the list of packages and asks if you are sure.
[15:33] <Sven_vB> is there a way to tell X to leave my notebook display's backlight off even though I point and type via VNC?
[15:34] <subcool> lordcirth, is there a iso where i dont need 4 usbs? 1 for windows, 1 for ubuntu, 1 for boot repair. i need a damn keychain]
[15:35] <lordcirth> subcool, don't use Windows? :P
[15:35] <subcool> lordcirth, yeah, i know- i usually dont. it for just in case. - like i have a ODB2 program for my BMW. and it REQUIRES windows. :/
[15:36] <fromBeyond> lordcirth: is there a way to "fix" this, without manually reintsalling everything?
[15:36]  * Sven_vB tried to use xrandr instead, but xrandr --display … --off makes VNC black out as well and his terminal emulator even crashes.
[15:36] <fromBeyond> lordcirth: and thank you for the help
[15:36] <bernyrd> hi, I use netplan but it does not bring if up
[15:36] <fromBeyond> would something like sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop work?
[15:36] <lordcirth> fromBeyond, well, installing ubuntu-desktop will probably get most of it.
[15:36] <subcool> lordcirth, fromBeyond it doesnt.
[15:37] <bobjunga> @lordcirth, I have been looking for that for ever. multiboot-usb almost worked -- I dont think its maintained anymore, though
[15:37] <subcool> lordcirth, fromBeyond - there is a page one the web that give the full line of stuff you'd need. Using just that will piss it off.
[15:37] <lordcirth> fromBeyond, tbh, I'd probably just reinstall and save the trouble. But it should be fixable.
[15:38] <fromBeyond> subcool: which page, if you know
[15:39] <bug_sniper> Could someone help me with my gpu drivers please? I have an AMD RX 570 but Steam's system information instead says Video Card:
[15:39] <bug_sniper> Driver:  X.Org AMD RAVEN (DRM 3.27.0, 5.0.0-25-generic, LLVM 9.0.0)
[15:39] <subcool> fromBeyond, sorry, i dont. i run across it occasionally when i want to install a desktop without doing a full install. but - usually if i do it wrong, it screws everything up and i start from scratch.
[15:39] <lordcirth> bug_sniper, what Ubuntu version? Did you install any drivers, ad if so, how?
[15:40] <Sven_vB> wow, looks like it wasn't my terminal emulator that crashed, but instead it was the GNU screen inside. then my terminal emulator closed normally. usually I use screen to make stuff survive terminal disconnects. such fail. :-(
[15:41] <Sven_vB> indeed, if just the TE had crashed, my remote SSH session would have survived.
[15:44] <fromBeyond> lordcirth: i am now manually reinstalling all removed packages
[15:44] <fromBeyond> will report if it works
[15:49] <fromBeyond> lordcirth: seems to be working
[15:49] <fromBeyond> thank you
[15:49] <fromBeyond> I did it using --- awk '!/^Start|^Commandl|^End|^Upgrade:|^Error:/ { gsub( /\([^()]*\)/ ,"" );gsub(/ ,/," ");sub(/^Install:/,""); print}' /var/log/apt/history.log ---
[15:50] <plm> How I add the datetime on the top side of my ubuntu?
[15:51] <dStruct> bug_sniper: are you running SteamOS or the steam client?
[15:55] <subcool> ok, odd one. Maybe its my USB, maybe its the hardware of the computer. Every time i try to install debian or ubuntu to my computer, it fails at installing the software.
[15:56] <subcool> ive reimaged the USB a few times.
[15:58] <bug_sniper> I'm running ubuntu
[15:58] <dStruct> bug_sniper: then it should just be a straight forward install of the driver, have you tried googling it?  there is a lot of Ubuntu and linux related posts on how to do this
[15:58] <bug_sniper> the LTS version I downloaded 1 week ago
[16:00] <bug_sniper> I tried the proprietary driver and got the error "Failed to connect to lvmetag" error at every boot and it failed to boot
[16:01] <dStruct> subcool: how does it specifically fail?
[16:01] <bug_sniper> let me see if I can post a picture
[16:01] <bobjunga> plm: its normally there by default. what version you running?
[16:01] <subcool> dStruct, failed to install packages. doesnt really give a real error.
[16:01] <dStruct> subcool: interesting, is it a really old system, or do you maybe have something hardware related going on?
[16:02] <subcool> dStruct, not really. new ram. new HDD.
[16:02] <bug_sniper> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-DkDePyPwnUZGAmdFMffWqFi6upAclqA
[16:02] <subcool> cant say much for the system itself. - it installs windows without a problem
[16:02] <dStruct> subcool: did you checksum the USB image before you wrote it to the USB, maybe it's a bad stick or bad download?
[16:03] <subcool> dStruct, nah. i didnt. im trying a new USB now. i thought it might be the USb's too.
[16:03] <subcool> just getting a second opinion while they format
[16:04] <bug_sniper> then after reinstalling ubuntu, I followed the guide at https://askubuntu.com/questions/1094443/ubuntu-18-04-1-lts-r9-390x-amdgpu-guide-testing-summary and nothing appears to have happened
[16:05] <bug_sniper> I mean, it shows the mesa drivers, but I don't have 4Gb of video memory and graphics aren't any better and I still don't have 8GB of ram
[16:06] <dStruct> subcool: you know that part under the download page that says verify your download?  If you're writing the USB image from a linux machine use that command, or if on windows you can download something like sha256.exe to make sure it's valid
[16:07] <subcool> k
[16:07] <mandude> Hello. I am on 18.04 LTS. I wonder if you  have firefox developer edition in ubunt?
[16:09] <ioria> !info firefox-dev
[16:09] <mandude> No, that's just the dev packages in ubuntu
[16:09] <mandude> mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/developer/ this guy
[16:09] <mandude> Firefox for web developers
[16:09] <bug_sniper> dStruct, lordcirth, need any more info?
[16:10] <dStruct> mandude: I'm not sure if there's an Apt package somewhere already for firefox dev edition, but I've used it on Ubuntu just by installing it from the website if that helps
[16:10] <dStruct> mandude: I don't do much web dev any more though, but I used to have a company back in the day
[16:10] <mandude> Ok thanks
[16:10] <pragmaticenigma> mandude: Ubuntu does not provide the Developer Edition of Firefox in it's default software repositories. You can add the PPA, however, support is limited for PPA installed software here. Issues with PPAs must be directed at the maintainer
[16:10] <mandude> I work at Initech
[16:10] <mandude> I make finance software.
[16:10] <mandude> </office space>
[16:11] <mandude> ok thanks
[16:11] <mandude> I will download it and make it installed myself
[16:11] <mandude> put it in a shortcut in /usr/local/bin/firefox-dev
[16:11] <lordcirth> bug_sniper, when you say "I tried the proprietary driver", how did you install that?
[16:11] <pragmaticenigma> mandude: Please don't, use the PPA as it will create far less issues for you in the long run: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-aurora
[16:12] <mandude> Oh ok
[16:12] <dStruct> bug_sniper: well if you just want to install the AMD drivers, I would recommend going to the AMD website, and downloading/installing their package.  Unfortunately that is 3rd party software so it cannot really be supported here
[16:12] <mandude> sure
[16:13] <pragmaticenigma> mandude: This is a really well written article that can help you with the whole process. It offers the different installation methods and what the author needed to do to get things up and running on their system: https://askubuntu.com/a/548005
[16:13] <mandude> Thanks
[16:13] <mandude> Oh yeah no I don't use ubuntu
[16:13] <mandude> Well I do but I don't.
[16:13] <dStruct> #fired
[16:13] <bug_sniper> by reinstall ubuntu, I mean a fresh restart. I'm trying both proprietary and mesa drivers
[16:13] <mandude> So that's not helpful to me. Thanks though
[16:13] <mandude> I am on 18.04 but I did a minimal netinsta and built my Xmonad minimal desktop from scratch
[16:14] <mandude> I don't use any gui stuff really.
[16:14] <bug_sniper> lordcirth, I downloaded the tar from amd's website and ran "sudo amdgpu-pro-install"
[16:15] <lordcirth> bug_sniper, that's generally not a good idea
[16:15] <lordcirth> bug_sniper, try 'ubuntu-drivers autoinstall'
[16:15] <plm> bobjunga: ubuntu 18.4
[16:15] <plm> bobjunga: the datetime do not show here
[16:17] <bug_sniper> lordcirth, No drivers found for installation.
[16:19] <pragmaticenigma> !details | plm
[16:20] <pragmaticenigma> bug_sniper: what graphics card are you specifically running?
[16:22] <bug_sniper> I'm using the RX 570
[16:33] <plm> I have installed ubuntu desktop 18.4. On teh center of de top show the day of week and hour. How I configure that to show the month day for example?
[16:38] <bug_sniper> I'll deal with this more later. Thanks for trying to help.
[16:39] <pragmaticenigma> bug_sniper: for later, have you seen this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMDGPU-Driver
[16:39] <pragmaticenigma> plm: This should help: https://askubuntu.com/a/968955
[16:43] <e|f> Hi :)
[16:43] <e|f> What's a good IRC client for ubuntu please?
[16:45] <bobjunga> plm: also Installing and running  "gnome-tweaks" gives you some control on how the date and time are displayed in its "top bar" section
[16:45] <fl-int> e|f, HexChat (GUI)
[16:45] <e|f> is HexChat similar to Xchat (that's what i'm using right now)?
[16:45] <fl-int> yes it is
[16:45] <e|f> ok
[16:46] <fl-int> try it
[16:46] <e|f> HexChat is better than Xchat?
[16:47] <e|f> also I'm trying to do a bit of scripting for Xchat (I know a bit of Perl) but can't seem to get scripts to work when doing "use Xchat"
[16:48] <pragmaticenigma> e|f: Xchat is no longer in active development. Hexchat was a fork to offer a compiled version without charging a price
[16:49] <bobjunga> fl-int: just installed hexchat. can it auto register your nick when you connect? I did not see a config for that
[16:50] <e|f> pragmaticenigma: ok
[16:50] <e|f> brb
[16:51] <pragmaticenigma> bobjunga: In the Network dialog, select the IRC service ,then click edit button
[16:54] <e|f> ok, i'm back and am on HexChat
[16:54] <e|f> i wanted a GUI-based IRC client for ubuntu.  Are there any others worth considering aside from Xchat and Hexchat?
[16:55] <bobjunga> pragmaticenigma: got it, thanks.
[16:57] <pragmaticenigma> e|f: Hexchat is the most widely supported and used. If you want to seek recommendations, it would be better to ask in #ubuntu-offtopic. This channel focuses more on support of the applications you have already installed (provided through official Ubuntu software channels) on your machine.
[16:59] <e|f> ok
[17:01] <woenx> Hey. I am trying to configure an OpenVPN in ubuntu (as a client)
[17:01] <woenx> I have my ovpn file, and I can use it running sudo openvpn --config file.ovpn
[17:02] <woenx> and it works, so far so good. But I want to import that file so it can be toggled in the network menu at the top of the screen
[17:02] <woenx> (where the wifi appears and all)
[17:03] <woenx> So if I go to the network settings, I cannot import from file because "Error: the plugin does not support import capabilities"
[17:04] <pragmaticenigma> woenx: "sudo apt install network-manager-openvpn network-manager-openvpn-gnome"
[17:04] <woenx> So instead, i run "sudo nmcli connection import type openvpn file file.ovpn", to make it appear in the network menu.
[17:04] <woenx> and it appears, it connects to the network... but not with the same settings
[17:05] <woenx> particularly, it is ignoring the option: "redirect-gateway def1 block-local", where the remote network has priority over the local one in case of conflicting subnets
[17:05] <woenx> (again, running it as sudo openvpn --config file.ovpn works)
[17:07] <woenx> any ideas?
[17:08] <woenx> nevermind, I think I found it: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1668165
[17:11] <woenx> nop, it's not that
[17:16] <woenx> the routing table is quite different depending on which option you use...
[18:52] <B|ack0p> hi
[19:35] <n8w> hey
[19:36] <n8w> does any of u know kdocker for docking random appz?
[19:44] <bprompt> n8w:   I think I have, didn't like it, or didn't need it
[19:47] <n8w> bprompt: i just "docked" by accident one of my plasma panels and cant find a way to "undock it":)))...it is just gone
[19:49] <bprompt> you can always just restart kwin
[19:51] <n8w> bprompt: ye well thats right...thx
[21:36] <Neepu> Hi. Can anyone help explain to me some issues I have with microk8s networking? I fail to see why nodePort does not work, but containerPort does on the cbr0 interface.
[21:42] <bray90820> What would you recommend for a VNC client for ubuntu
[21:44] <bray90820> Sorry I meant server
[21:44] <bray90820> I wanna connect to ubuntu from MacOS
[22:10] <Fuseteam> vnc as in remotedesktop?
[22:11] <Fuseteam> btw i have problems with a dell s2240t touchscreen
[22:12] <Fuseteam> around the middle of the screen my touches are offset in the x coordinate
[22:32] <BlackDalek> I get no HDMI audio option even when the HDMI cable is plugged in. I get a picture through HDMI but no audio signal and no option to select HDMI audio output.


[23:08] <belkinsa> paultag, check the date on your latest post on Ubuntu Planet: http://planet.ubuntu.com/ it's dated June 14 2014!
[23:08] <jenni> [ Planet Ubuntu ] - https://j.mp/1lvRJLZ
[23:09] <belkinsa> s/14/45
[23:09] <jenni> belkinsa probably meant to say: paultag, check the date on your latest post on Ubuntu Planet: http://planet.ubuntu.com/ it's dated June 45 2014!
[23:09] <belkinsa> s/45/15
[23:09] <Unit193> People look at the planet?
[23:09] <belkinsa> I do, to check if my post was added.
[23:09] <belkinsa> It's in my feed but I still check.
[23:35] <paultag> oh hurm
[23:36] <paultag> updated
[23:36] <paultag> thanks
[23:36] <belkinsa> NP


[01:36] <maruq> hi guys
[01:36] <maruq> having some fun trying to debug a upstart job
[01:36] <maruq> I was trying to use init-checkconf to verify the file, but seem to always get "ERROR: failed to ask Upstart to check conf file"
[01:37] <maruq> this is true for system upstart jobs too
[01:38] <maruq> I've tried the Canonical AWS images for 11.04 & 11.10, occurs on both
[18:16] <FunnyLookinHat> Hello!
[18:17] <FunnyLookinHat> I'm having trouble debugging an upstart script for lightdm
[18:17] <FunnyLookinHat> http://pastebin.com/mGCYmzhR
[18:17] <FunnyLookinHat> Could anyone explain what the line that includes "drm-device-added" means?
[18:17] <FunnyLookinHat> Are the spaces between those conditions treated as "and" statements or something else?
[18:18] <FunnyLookinHat> Because when I echo $UPSTART_EVENTS within the script portion of that config file, it only lists "filesystem runlevel started stopped"
[18:18] <FunnyLookinHat> And I would at least expect udev-fallback-graphics in addition to stopped.
[18:18] <FunnyLookinHat> Ok - done spamming you now.
[18:23] <jhunt> FunnyLookinHat: drm-device-added -> "man upstart-events" (it's a udev event). For "and" info, see "man 5 init" or the cookbook. Same for UPSTART_EVENTS.


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