[00:00] <luis_> well kpete did work
[00:00] <relic420> now what am i looking for?
[00:00] <luis_> but now yahoo wont connect on kopete
[00:00] <Thundercross> I'll have to put this on my cell phone so I can remember.
[00:00] <knue> Thundercross: sudo service kdm restart
[00:00] <knue> do this in a real terminal
[00:00] <knue> not in X
[00:01] <relic420> brb guys
[00:05] <nicklas_> yo
[00:12] <Thundercross> Alright. I'll be back if I need any more help.
[00:12] <Thundercross> Thank you
[00:25] <Thundercross> Alright. I didn't get any menu when I tried to reconfigure my xorg-conf.
[00:25] <Thundercross> And when I tried to restart it, I got a message:
[00:25] <Thundercross> kdm start/running, process 1941
[00:26] <Thundercross> I tried to mention that I'm in textmode for this, but I got yanked away from the computer at the time.
[00:30] <bodom> Thundercross: alt+f7?
[00:32] <Thundercross> Do hotkeys really work in textmode?
[00:36] <knue> Thundercross:
[00:36] <knue> ctrl+atl+f7
[00:37] <bodom> Thundercross: they do
[00:52] <Daskreech> Thundercross: ok I think you are the only person still here who wanted help
[00:52] <Daskreech> If anyone else wanted help holler
[00:52] <Daskreech> Thundercross: What's up?
[01:00] <Thundercross> Sorry, I was afk. Okay. I'll try that.
[01:01] <bodom> !bluetooth
[01:15] <jacquesdupontd> hi everybody
[01:16] <cuznt> /boot/grub/menu.lst i can not find it in 9.10
[01:16] <Thundercross> It didn't work.
[01:16] <cuznt> any reason?
[01:17] <Daskreech> Thundercross: What's the issue?
[01:19] <Thundercross> Ever since I upgraded to 9.10, I've been stuck in textmode. I just load Kubuntu, and it takes me straight to terminal mode.
[01:19] <Daskreech> Thundercross: KDM doesn't load?
[01:19] <Thundercross> And I can't get into KDE, no matter what I try (not that there's a lot of things I know to try).
[01:20] <Thundercross> It doesn't
[01:20] <Daskreech> Does X work?
[01:20] <Daskreech> Thundercross: You are on the machine now?
[01:20] <bodom> cuznt: is grub installed? :)
[01:25] <Thundercross> I'm the machine, and I'm using Puppy Linux
[01:26] <Thundercross> I have only one machine that can be used at all.
[01:26] <Thundercross> I don't think X works.
[01:26] <Daskreech> Thundercross: can you run startx and tell me what that does
[01:27] <Thundercross> I think I should save this Puppy Linux session so I can come back a little bit sooner.
[01:27] <Daskreech> Thundercross: ok let me be clear
[01:27] <Thundercross> So I just type "startx"?
[01:27] <Daskreech> you are currently talking to me on the computer that has the problems?
[01:28] <Thundercross> Yeah, but I'm on Puppy Linux
[01:28] <Thundercross> So I'm gonna have to log off in order to try it
[01:28] <Daskreech> Ok can the computer connect to the internet without the GUI ?
[01:28] <Thundercross> Yes
[01:28] <Daskreech> Sweet grab a paper and write this down
[01:29] <Daskreech> When you login on the command line run this
[01:29] <Daskreech> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install irssi
[01:29] <cuznt> how could grub NOT be installed?
[01:29] <Daskreech> then when it's done type irssi -c irc.ubuntu.com
[01:29] <cuznt> i have grub.cfg
[01:30] <Daskreech> when you are logged in there /join #kubuntu should join you here and we can do this a lot faster
[01:30] <Daskreech> cuznt: It was asked to not be installed or explictly uninstalled
[01:30] <Thundercross> Alright.
[01:30] <Daskreech> Quite a few reasons but point is if you want grub then install it
[01:30] <cuznt> in 9.10?
[01:31] <Daskreech> cuznt: Sure
[01:31] <cuznt> ah
[01:31] <jacquesdupontd> hey
[01:31] <jacquesdupontd> i would like to record my desktop
[01:32] <jacquesdupontd> and i treid to use record my desktop but it doesn't seems to support well the twin view witth compiz but i have a really really fast computer
[01:32] <jacquesdupontd> so it should work ok
[01:32] <jacquesdupontd> do someone has a desktop recorder to advice me ?
[01:32] <cuznt> i do not quite understand.. i have a fellow in irc.etree who is into linux and i am trying to recover my winxp partition.. and he asked me for /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:33] <maco> cuznt: its /boot/grub/grub.cfg then
[01:33] <maco> cuznt: you're using grub2, he's thinking of grub1
[01:33] <cuznt> ah thank you
[01:33] <cuznt> i kind of thought that
[01:33] <maco> cuznt: tell him that, please, because the syntax changed and he may be a bit confused by it
[01:34] <cuznt> i am right now tnx
[01:34] <jacquesdupontd> so anybody ?
[01:34] <jacquesdupontd> can't we record desktop with vlc for example ?
[01:34] <Thundercross> Okay. I have something I need to take care of soon, but I'll idle here.
[01:35] <Daskreech> jacquesdupontd: I cant say with any kind of definitive say since I've never recorded my desktop but I know that most of the desktop recorindg stuff on Linux isn't met with praise for things like that
[01:36] <Daskreech> jacquesdupontd: Ah vlc that might be an option
[01:38] <jacquesdupontd> yeah
[01:38] <jacquesdupontd> but for now
[01:39] <jacquesdupontd> i'm trying gtk-recordmydesktop and it's actually recording
[01:39] <jacquesdupontd> it seems better to set options and everything
[01:39] <jacquesdupontd> we gonna see
[01:39] <jacquesdupontd> but the problem is surely the dual screen
[01:42] <Daskreech> Yeah driver stuff is funky and X sucks
[01:43] <nicklas_> should add the qt gui for recordmyydesktop in repos
[01:44] <Daskreech> nicklas_: you are packaging it?
[01:45] <nicklas_> no, but i could if i learn how
[01:45] <nicklas_> its hard?
[01:46] <Daskreech> nicklas_: Not that hard
[01:47] <Daskreech> Just sometimes a little frustrating :)
[01:47] <Daskreech> Want to try?
[01:47] <nicklas_> tomorrow :-) too late here now
[01:47] <nicklas_> where is that guide for packaging in ubuntu?
[01:47] <Daskreech> nicklas_: Ok well when you are ready join #kubuntu-devel and declare yourself as a Tomelord minon
[01:48] <Daskreech> Timelord
[01:48] <nicklas_> lol ok :-)
[01:48] <Daskreech> you can jump in and do it now and get someone's e-mail address to shoot things at
[01:48] <Daskreech> You won't do any work just so you have a contact
[01:49] <nicklas_> ok
[01:54] <nicklas_> but that guide has all you need?
[01:55] <Daskreech> Just about
[01:55] <Daskreech> #kubuntu-devel will help you out with issues
[01:58] <Daskreech> It's the super cover guide
[01:59] <cuznt> is the a # for peeps who messed up their partition and now winxp will not boot?
[01:59] <Daskreech> !grub
[01:59] <Daskreech> !grub2
[02:06] <Thundercross> Okay. I'm back. And I'm on irssi. But I'm not sure how I'm gonna be able to get to the terminal without closing out of it.
[02:08] <Thundercross> Daskreech: are you there?
[02:08] <Daskreech> Thundercross: Press alt+2
[02:09] <Daskreech> Thundercross: ahd then alt+1
[02:09] <Thundercross> Ah, okay
[02:09] <Daskreech> Thundercross: Got it?
[02:10] <Daskreech> you can login on alt+2 or 3 or 4 or 5 etc
[02:10] <Daskreech> X turns up on Alt+7
[02:10] <Daskreech> Let me know when you are ready
[02:10] <Thundercross> I only get alt+1 and alt+2
[02:10] <Daskreech> You should have alt+3 as well
[02:10] <Thundercross> alt+1 takes me to the server window and alt+2 brings me back here.
[02:10] <Thundercross> I don't
[02:10] <Daskreech> Ah
[02:11] <Daskreech> What does it give you?
[02:11] <Thundercross> Nothing happens when I alt+3
[02:11] <Daskreech> Thundercross: Right Ha ha
[02:11] <Daskreech> Thundercross: Sorry alt+Right Arrow
[02:11] <Daskreech> Then alt+Left arrow
[02:12] <Thundercross> Oh, okay
[02:12] <Daskreech> ok let me know when you are ready
[02:12] <Thundercross> I'm ready.
[02:13] <Daskreech> ok log in to the second terminal and run this command sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[02:13] <Thundercross> Woah. Workspaces on textmode. My mind is mildly blown
[02:13] <Daskreech> Then run startx
[02:13] <Daskreech> Thundercross: Where do you think the GUI got it from? :)
[02:13] <Thundercross> I see
[02:14] <Daskreech> Thundercross: Oh if X starts press alt+ctrl+1 to get back here
[02:15] <Thundercross> Fatal server error: no screens found
[02:15] <Daskreech> Ok nice
[02:16] <Thundercross> I'm actually on tty2, btw
[02:17] <Daskreech> Thundercross: ok wha'ts on tty1 /
[02:17] <Daskreech> >
[02:17] <Daskreech> ?
[02:17] <Thundercross> Another logon prompt
[02:17] <Thundercross> login
[02:17] <Thundercross> Heh
[02:17] <Thundercross> !startx
[02:18] <Thundercross> !pastebinit
[02:19] <Thundercross> Isn't there some sort of web browser that works entirely on text?
[02:21] <Daskreech> Thundercross: w3m
[02:22] <Thundercross> Huh?
[02:22] <Daskreech> Thundercross: Q to quit out of it
[02:22] <Daskreech> Thundercross: w3m www.google.com
[02:22] <Thundercross> Oh, thanks.
[02:22] <Daskreech> Thundercross: I Guess you have no /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[02:26] <Thundercross> I thought I did.
[02:26] <Thundercross> I guess it's more along the lines of resetting it when I upgraded to Karmic
[02:26] <Daskreech> Thundercross: pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:27] <Thundercross> Alright.
[02:27] <Thundercross> It gave me a url
[02:29] <Daskreech> Give it back to me
[02:30] <Thundercross> http://pastebin.com/f17c082be
[02:31] <Thundercross> It seems to be the text of xorg.conf
[02:31] <Daskreech> it is
[02:31] <Daskreech> Pastebinit allows you to pastebin text from the command line so you can get help :)
[02:32] <Daskreech> What is your video card if you know
[02:32] <Thundercross> A Geforce 7600
[02:32] <Daskreech> ok did you have any special drivers installed before?
[02:32] <Thundercross> Just the proprietary drivers
[02:33] <Daskreech> jacquesdupontd: hows it going?
[02:33] <Daskreech> Thundercross: reinstall them then
[02:33] <Thundercross> Okay, how do I do that from textmode?
[02:34] <Daskreech> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx then press tab twice. Choose the one you had installed before
[02:35] <Daskreech> Thundercross: I think they all support your card though
[02:35] <Thundercross> It's not giving me a menu, but a list of 3 options.
[02:36] <Thundercross> I'll try the latest one.
[02:36] <Daskreech> Thundercross: It won't give you a menu that's the options available
[02:36] <Daskreech> !tab | Thundercross
[02:38] <Thundercross> Okay. It said I already have the latest one.
[02:39] <Thundercross> It mentioned something about a manual install
[02:39] <Daskreech> ok
[02:40] <Daskreech> run sudo nvidia-xconfig
[02:40] <Thundercross> Data incomplete in xorg.conf
[02:40] <Daskreech> ha funny
[02:41] <Thundercross> Device section "Configured Video Device" must have a driver line.
[02:41] <Thundercross> I'm thinking this is my problem.
[02:41] <Scunizi> Thundercross: I just logged on.. are you trying to install the nvidia driver downloaded from the nvidia site?
[02:42] <Thundercross> I think it's a problem with my xorg.conf
[02:42] <Scunizi> Thundercross: there is no xorg.conf anymore unless you manually created one...
[02:42] <Daskreech> Scunizi: There is one. it's basic defalts
[02:42] <Thundercross> I installed something on Windows to read my Linux partitions, and I found some incomplete husk of a xorg.conf
[02:42] <Scunizi> Daskreech: ok.. yea.. it's there. but empty
[02:43] <Daskreech> Thundercross: can you do an ls of /etc/X11 and tell me if ther are multiple xorg.conf files there ?
[02:43] <Thundercross> There are 6 files that start with xorg.conf
[02:44] <Daskreech> Thundercross: what is the newest one?
[02:44] <Daskreech> Thundercross: ls -l should show you the dates
[02:45] <Thundercross> xorg.conf without anything after it. Dated today
[02:45] <Scunizi> Daskreech: what's happening..? kernel upgrade break a manually installed nvidia binary?
[02:45] <Daskreech> or ls -t
[02:45] <Daskreech> Thundercross: The one after that
[02:45] <Daskreech> Scunizi: upgrading to Koala hosed X
[02:45] <Thundercross> The next latest is xorg.conf.20090202015149
[02:45] <Thundercross> Dated February 2nd
[02:46] <Scunizi> Daskreech: and was an nvidia binary from their site installed on Jaunty?
[02:46] <Daskreech> Woah that's a long time ago
[02:46] <Daskreech> Thundercross: pastebinit
[02:46] <Thundercross> Oh, wait. It's not being sorted by date
[02:46] <Daskreech> Thundercross: You can use tab to autocomplete the names btw so you don't have to type it
[02:46] <Daskreech> Thundercross: ls -t
[02:47] <Daskreech> Thundercross: ls -lt
[02:47] <Daskreech> Scunizi: No clue I think that it's the nvidia package
[02:48] <Thundercross> xorg.conf xorg.conf.dist-upgrade-200910300040 is dated October 30th
[02:48] <Scunizi> Daskreech: most likely.. if the binary driver was installed on jaunty then the upgrade would have broke it because of the kernel upgrade.. all that would be necessary is to re-install the binary driver to fix.. no need to mess with xrandr or xorg.. the fresh install will fill it all.. (wow that rhymed)
[02:48] <Daskreech> Thundercross: ah excellent :)
[02:49] <Daskreech> Thundercross:sudo  mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.irchelp
[02:49] <Thundercross> I remember upgrading to 9.10 on the day it came out. I forgot the day of the month that was.
[02:50] <Scunizi> If it was the binary driver, reinstallation will setup the necessary kernel modules to make it work.. where redoing an older xorg won't
[02:50] <Daskreech> Thundercross: then sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf.dist-upgrade-200910300040 /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:50] <Daskreech> Scunizi: he did reinstall it said newest version. Course that doesn't mean the modules loaded
[02:51] <Daskreech> but the error he's getting is No Screens found
[02:51] <Daskreech> Assuming that Thundercross is a he
[02:51] <Thundercross> I am a he
[02:51] <Scunizi> Daskreech: reinstall from the hardware drivers option in the menu's? or by downloading the binary from nvidia?
[02:52] <Thundercross> I'm not sure this version of xorg.conf is good either.
[02:52] <Daskreech> Scunizi: reinstall but sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-185
[02:52] <gorgonzola> hello. anyone knows if it possible to have a video chat through msn with kopete?
[02:52] <Daskreech> Thundercross: Well sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade then
[02:52] <Daskreech> gorgonzola: no try kmess
[02:52] <Daskreech> Or amsn
[02:52] <Scunizi> Daskreech: that would be the repo version.. the 185 driver is buggy anyway..
[02:52] <Scunizi> gorgonzola: or emesen
[02:53] <Daskreech> Yeah they all are
[02:53]  * Thundercross resists urge to sudo apt-get install kmess
[02:53] <Scunizi> Daskreech: the latest 190 seems to rip pretty good.
[02:53] <Thundercross> I didn't see a 190 on my options of compatible drivers
[02:53] <Scunizi> Thundercross: you won't unless you get it from nvidia
[02:53] <Daskreech> I think that dropped support for his card
[02:54] <Scunizi> Daskreech: which card?
[02:54] <Daskreech> 7600
[02:54] <Scunizi> I'll look but I think it'll work fine..
[02:54] <Thundercross> I'm seeing no improvement.
[02:55] <Daskreech> Thundercross: you did the sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[02:55] <Thundercross> That xorg.conf that you told me to put in it's place is from after the 9.10 upgrade, isn't it?
[02:55] <Thundercross> I'll try that next.
[02:56] <Daskreech> Thundercross: No it's from before
[02:56] <Thundercross> It's dated October 30th
[02:56] <Daskreech> Yeah
[02:56] <Thundercross> Didn't 9.10 come out on the 22nd or something?
[02:56] <Daskreech> Last Thursday of the month
[02:56] <Daskreech> whichever one that is
[02:57] <Thundercross> 29th
[02:57] <Daskreech> 22nd doesn't sound right that's 8 days before the end of the month so there must be a thursday after that
[02:57] <Scunizi> 7600 is supported by the latest driver..
[02:57] <Thundercross> And I downloaded it from the repository. And it took an insanely long time because I didn't want to leave those package files sitting in cache forever, forgotten
[02:58] <Thundercross> That's right. I did install 9.10 on the 30th
[02:58] <Daskreech> Thundercross: That makes no sense to me but ok :)
[02:59] <Daskreech> Thundercross: rename xorg.conf to some backup file and rename the dstupgrade file from the 30th to xorg.conf and try startx
[02:59] <a2f> hi, i just installed system-config-printer for kde. i'm using a kde-minimal install so not everything made it over from a regular kubuntu installation cd. when i had previously installed the full kubuntu system i used to be able to choose certain kinds of printers... anyone know what package that's in?
[03:00] <Thundercross> Isn't that what you told me to do already?
[03:00] <Thundercross> With the mv command?
[03:00] <Daskreech> Thundercross: yep
[03:00] <Daskreech> what does startx say then ?
[03:00] <Thundercross> Still the same thing.
[03:01] <Daskreech> No Screens found ?
[03:01] <Thundercross> Yup
[03:01] <Daskreech> ok pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:01] <Thundercross> For the url?
[03:01] <Scunizi> you got more than one monito plugged into the card?
[03:01] <Scunizi> *monitor
[03:01] <Thundercross> No I don't
[03:01] <Daskreech> Yep
[03:02] <Thundercross> http://pastebin.com/f2da7d151
[03:02] <Thundercross> I do have a Wacom Tablet, however.
[03:03] <Daskreech> That's input not a screen
[03:03] <Scunizi> that wouldn't make a difference
[03:03] <Thundercross> During my research, I read that the references to the tablet in my xorg.conf was crashing X, so removing or commenting out the lines would fix it.
[03:03] <gorgonzola> Daskreech, thanks. but i can't get it to work with video. am i missing some button?
[03:04] <Thundercross> That's what led me to looking at it in Windows, and the discovery that it's so empty.
[03:04] <Daskreech> Thundercross: ok try sudo nvidia-settings
[03:05] <Daskreech> gorgonzola: what is it ?
[03:05] <Thundercross> Control Display is Undefined
[03:06] <gorgonzola> Daskreech i don't see any setting, action, button or whatever in kmess that says "start video"
[03:06] <gorgonzola> or similar
[03:07] <Thundercross> How big is the xorg.conf supposed to be? Because the largest version I have is the one that I was working with originally: 1305
[03:07] <Daskreech> Thundercross: try sudo nvidia-xconfig again
[03:08] <Thundercross> Date incomplete in xorg.conf
[03:08] <Thundercross> Something tells me this file should be larger than 1305
[03:09] <Daskreech> sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.dist-upgrade-200910300040
[03:09] <Daskreech> gorgonzola: What version is it?
[03:10] <Thundercross> Sent it back to whence it came
[03:10] <Daskreech> Thundercross: after that run sudo nvidia-xconfig again
[03:11] <Daskreech> you know you can just press up and get back the command right? :)
[03:11] <Thundercross> I'm doing that
[03:11] <Thundercross> Unable to locate/open X configuration file.
[03:11] <Daskreech> What?
[03:12] <Daskreech> It's supposed to recreate one it can use
[03:12] <gorgonzola> Daskreech 2.0
[03:12] <Daskreech> o_O
[03:12] <Thundercross> Automatically?
[03:12] <Daskreech> yes
[03:12] <Thundercross> Even though x isn't running?
[03:12] <Daskreech> Yes
[03:13] <Daskreech> It cares about the hardware you have not the Current X configuration
[03:13] <Daskreech> he point is to reconfigure it for your hardware/driver
[03:13] <Thundercross> Ooh, I tried it again
[03:13] <Thundercross> And it made a new one
[03:14] <Daskreech> Yay!
[03:14] <Daskreech> try startx
[03:14] <Daskreech> gorgonzola: Ah you need 2.1 Umm try amsn then
[03:14] <Daskreech> or listen to Scunizi
[03:15] <gorgonzola> Daskreech :(
[03:16] <gorgonzola> Daskreech i think i'll let it lie. emesen is not in the repo, and i don't to start adding repos or downloading external stuff. thanks for the info though.
[03:16] <Daskreech> gorgonzola: amsn should work if you have farsight2
[03:16] <gorgonzola> Daskreech don;t even know what that is
[03:17] <Daskreech> http://www.amsn-project.net/wiki/Farsight
[03:17] <Thundercross_the> Thanks. It worked.
[03:17] <Daskreech> !find farsight
[03:17] <Daskreech> Thundercross: bah why was it being so difficult?
[03:18] <djanatyn> Hello there.
[03:18] <djanatyn> I was just wondering about Kubuntu.
[03:18] <djanatyn> What's the difference between kubuntu, and ubuntu installed with KDE?
[03:19] <Thundercross_the> But I can't seem to get back to the other workspaces.
[03:19] <Daskreech> djanatyn: mental gymnastics?
[03:19] <Daskreech> !kubuntu
[03:19] <Daskreech> !kde
[03:20] <Thundercross> Oh, Ctrl+Alt+F1
[03:20] <Thundercross> I see.
[03:20] <gorgonzola> Daskreech: ok, but i think i'll live withouth video. tcl/tk, amsn... i like my kde pure. thanks!
[03:20] <Thundercross> It feels rather cozy stuck with irssi.
[03:20] <Daskreech> djanatyn: if you would like tho get technical pulseaudio is installed on Ubuntu and it's not on Kubuntu
[03:20] <Daskreech> Thundercross: :-) It's nice
[03:20] <djanatyn> :)
[03:20] <Thundercross> But I need to get back to the pretty.
[03:21] <Daskreech> You need ctrl+Alt+ to escape X for obvious reasons
[03:21] <Daskreech> Thundercross: You can use it in X just open a terminal
[03:21] <Thundercross> Yeah. Too many programs just use Alt+arrow
[03:21] <Daskreech> gorgonzola: your choice but not sure if I call that a noble choice :)
[03:21] <Thundercross> I don't know how long I'll remember this.
[03:22] <Daskreech> gorgonzola: YOu can vote for the webcam feature request at bugs.kde.org if you like
[03:22] <gorgonzola> Daskreech, ooooh, you don;t wanna go there. KDE evangelist here :P
[03:22] <Daskreech> Thundercross: It changes the bindings when you are in X so it works different
[03:22] <gorgonzola> Daskreech, i'll see what the folks over at #kopete have to say
[03:22] <gorgonzola> Daskreech they do have a rather prominent webcam configuration module...
[03:23] <Daskreech> gorgonzola: I organised CampKDE so don't start with me. I'm just saying that being pure when it harms you is silly
[03:23] <Daskreech> gorgonzola: Yeah they really need help but protocol hacking is hard
[03:23] <Thundercross> Well, I'm gonna have to go back to Windows pretty soon, for an MMO that doesn't run very well in Wine.
[03:24] <Daskreech> gorgonzola: I've been trying to figure out a way to get more involvement with them for a year
[03:24] <Daskreech> Which is that?
[03:24] <Daskreech> Thundercross: ^^^
[03:24] <Thundercross> Mabinogi
[03:24] <Daskreech> Wow never heard of that
[03:24] <gorgonzola> Daskreech well, i'm not *that* purist. but i really like Qt, and i really don;t like Tcl/Tk
[03:24] <gorgonzola> Daskreech and i dont really need the video
[03:24] <Daskreech> Ah I can agree there
[03:25] <Thundercross> It's a really nice game.
[03:25] <Thundercross> And it's protected by an anti-hacking software called Hackshield Pro.
[03:25] <Daskreech> gorgonzola: If you want to it would really help to work with Kopete to get more eyes on the code
[03:26] <a2f> anyone know what the alsa dev file package is?
[03:26] <gorgonzola> Daskreech i'd love to help, but i'd hardly be of assistance. only user over here :(
[03:26] <Daskreech> Right now my current focus is getting people to maintain the misc rubbish outside of the protocols so that people who can do that can spend more time on that
[03:26] <Thundercross> The publisher just went through some extensive hardware upgrades, and they're running into some serious latency/connectivity issues.
[03:26] <Daskreech> gorgonzola: A user with a mouth and determination is the best kind of user
[03:26] <gorgonzola> Daskreech i'm a good user then :)
[03:27] <gorgonzola> Daskreech well, i see if i can contribute to get things moving. i'm sure that webcam thingy does at least something in kopete, so maybe i just don;t know how to use it...
[03:27] <gorgonzola> Daskreech thanks for the tips. see-ya!
[03:27] <Daskreech> gorgonzola: Well follow what you have a passion for it' what you are most likely to stick with
[03:27] <Daskreech> gorgonzola: step into #kde-promo
[03:28] <Daskreech> !info libasound2-dev | a2f Does that help ?
[03:28] <a2f> thanks daskreech :)
[03:29] <bodom> hi there
[03:29] <bodom> i got a trouble writing a logcheck rule
[03:29] <Daskreech> !HI | bodom
[03:29] <bodom> may somebody help me?
[03:30] <Daskreech> Possibly what's the error?
[03:30] <Daskreech> Thundercross: Want to see if you get KDM working
[03:30] <Daskreech> ?
[03:30] <bodom> the line is only partially ignored
[03:30] <bodom> this is the rule: ^\w{3} [ :0-9]{11} voip2\.bodom\.local .*$
[03:31] <bodom> basically, i want to exclude all lines from host voip2.bodom.local
[03:31] <xonogenic> I'm confused... what is this for?
[03:31] <dylan__> does anyone know why i can't connect to a smpt server but i can connect to a pop3 server
[03:32] <dylan__> the connection times out every time i try to connect to a smpt server to send mail
[03:32] <bodom> dylan__: firewall?
[03:32] <dylan__> nope
[03:32] <xonogenic> port settings? encryption settings?
[03:33] <xonogenic> can you telnet to the port?
[03:33] <dylan__> i tried that the connection times out
[03:33] <xonogenic> are you using smtp auth?
[03:33] <xonogenic> oh
[03:33] <xonogenic> if a telnet connection times out, then it is either the route ( ie firewal ) or the remote server
[03:34] <dylan__> well the server is smtp.live.com
[03:34] <dylan__> i tried disabling my firewall and it doesnt help it does the same thing
[03:34] <bodom> omg
[03:34] <xonogenic> Trying <IP_ADDRESS>...
[03:34] <xonogenic> Connected to smtp.live.com.
[03:34] <xonogenic> Escape character is '^]'.
[03:34] <xonogenic> 220 BLU0-SMTP4.blu0.hotmail.com Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service, Version: 6.0.3790.3959 ready at  Mon, 7 Dec 2009 19:34:17 -0800
[03:34] <Thundercross> KDM... different from X?
[03:34] <FloodBotK3> xonogenic: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:34] <Thundercross> I got into KDE
[03:34] <xonogenic> works for me
[03:35] <dylan__> i know that's what i've heard i can't get it to work for me though :/
[03:35] <xonogenic> ok
[03:35] <Thundercross> And by the way, thanks for your tremendous patience.
[03:35] <xonogenic> so lets back up a little
[03:35] <xonogenic> can you ping it?
[03:35] <dylan__> yea
[03:36] <dylan__> i'll pastebin the telnet result in a second once it's done
[03:36] <Daskreech> Thundercross: Yes it's the Login that yousee when you boot up normally
[03:36] <xonogenic> oh, does your ISP block port 25 communication?
[03:36] <xonogenic> some ISPs do that
[03:36] <dylan__> i don't know :/
[03:37] <bodom> dylan__: why can't you use your privider's smtp?
[03:37] <dylan__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/337008/
[03:37] <dylan__> that's what it says when i telnet it
[03:37] <Thundercross> Well, I did an upgrade earlier. And now it's wanting to restart Kubuntu.
[03:38] <xonogenic> who is your ISP?
[03:38] <Daskreech> Thundercross: ok lets see what happens
[03:38] <dylan__> at&t yaoo
[03:38] <Thundercross> And I like this blur effect when I'm about to shut down.
[03:38] <dylan__> at&t yahoo
[03:39] <Daskreech> Thundercross: Yeah that's neat
[03:39] <Thundercross> Alright. See ya later.
[03:39] <bodom> dylan__: you have to telner on port 25
[03:39] <bodom> dylan__:  telnet smtp.live.com 25
[03:40] <xonogenic> yeah, I think you are screwed dylan, it looks like ATT/yahoo do block 25 outbound
[03:40] <dylan__> x0
[03:40] <xonogenic> unless you use thier smtp relays
[03:40] <xonogenic> :(
[03:41] <dylan__> i'm trying to get my email through evolution and i need to do that to send is there any way around it?
[03:41] <xonogenic> can you connect through pop3?
[03:41] <dylan__> yea
[03:41] <xonogenic> that might be the easiest way
[03:42] <dylan__> i can send through pop3 to?
[03:42] <xonogenic> hmm
[03:42] <xonogenic> maybe not
[03:42] <xonogenic> one sec
[03:43] <Daskreech> Thundercross: Welcome
[03:45] <Thundercross> Working better. Sound wasn't working during the last session.
[03:45] <Thundercross> Now it's asking to forget removed sound devices.
[03:45] <Daskreech> Thundercross: Wouldn't since you didn't login with kdeinit which is started with kdm
[03:46] <Thundercross> I see.
[03:56] <michael> help
[03:56] <bodom> !help
[03:57] <BlueX12> every app is colored grey right now, how do I install hardware(my video card drivers)?
[03:58] <Daskreech> !drivers
[03:58] <Daskreech> !nvidia
[03:58] <BlueX12> daskreech, through run?
[03:59] <BlueX12> I don't know where to type it
[04:00] <Daskreech> BlueX12: Hmm ?
[04:00] <BlueX12> how to get to command line?
[04:00] <Daskreech> Open a terminal
[04:00] <Daskreech> press alt+F2 and type terminal
[04:01] <Daskreech> brb
[04:01] <sravan> How can I make firefox default web browser ? I m on kubuntu 9.10
[04:01] <Daskreech> sravan: Look in default applications in System settings
[04:02] <BlueX12> daskreech: !drivers or !nvidia do not do anything in terminal
[04:03] <sravan> Daskreech, : thnx , worked
[04:03] <sravan> :)
[04:05] <BlueX12> anyone know how to install basic driver?
[04:05] <BlueX12> drivers
[04:05] <bodom> rotfl
[04:06] <BlueX12> this is a support channel isn't it? :P
[04:06] <BlueX12> everyone has to start somewhere
[04:06] <xonogenic> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:07] <bodom> ^^^^^^ check this url
[04:10] <BlueX12> so I need to install the dependent packages before the option will even appear?
[04:10] <BlueX12> because it isn't listed anywhere in hardware or system
[04:11] <rstob911> BlueX12: also if you want the proprirtary driver there is a driver tool i think it is in system configuration
[04:11] <BlueX12> ok I typed hardware in search that seems to be doing something
[04:12] <BlueX12> ty
[04:16] <BlueX12> can't find it, oh well
[04:16] <BlueX12> the only thing that shows up in driver updates is video card..there's no way to update network card etc or is that already defaulted to the newest one
[04:40] <snarkster> Need help getting my wifi working
[04:42] <snarkster> its a toshiba p305d-s8828 with atheros 5001
[04:44] <Thundercross> Well, I gotta go back to Windows. Some other time, Maybe at the end of my Christmas vacation, I'd like to take a shot at getting this game running under WINE.
[04:44] <snarkster> what game
[04:44] <Thundercross> The game I mentioned earlier, Mabinogi
[04:44] <snarkster> oh wasnt here earlier
[04:46] <snarkster> !atheros
[04:46] <snarkster> the thing is it sees my network but wont connect.
[04:51] <Thundercross> Well, I'm probably gonna idle on here while I'm on Windows. See ya
[04:51] <snarkster> is knetworkmanager not working?
[05:23] <BlueX> my taskbar crashed and even restarting won't bring it back..how to get it back?
[05:35] <sravan> deleting ~/.xine/catalog.cache and rebooting the system did solve the problem for me
[05:36] <sravan> as mentioned in the link ...... :)
[05:36] <BlueX> what link
[05:37] <BlueX> never mind
[05:38] <BlueX> supersub
[05:38] <BlueX> do you have kubuntu knowhow?
[05:38] <SuperSub> hi can some help me with the setup of flash for mozilla..  was working before ugrade to 9.10KK
[05:45] <SuperSub> hi can some help me with the setup of flash for mozilla..  was working before ugrade to 9.10KK
[05:46] <darkdelusions> SuperSub: did you go do adobe.com and grab the deb file?
[05:47] <SuperSub> yes but it failed..
[05:47] <darkdelusions> what was the error?
[05:47] <SuperSub> gime a sec to do it again..
[05:50] <SuperSub> cannot recreate error message this time it said it was installed but when i test mozilla i still can not watch youtube videos...
[05:50] <darkdelusions> and you closed FF and reopened it?
[05:51] <SuperSub> i didnt have it running during the install
[05:52] <SuperSub> this is what it says in mozilla
[05:52] <SuperSub> Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player.
[05:53] <darkdelusions> I think i an issue with it and I am trying to recall what I did
[05:53] <darkdelusions> errr
[05:53] <darkdelusions> I think i had an issue even
[05:55] <SuperSub> going to reboot system back in 5
[05:58] <SuperSub> im back
[05:59] <darkdelusions> do me a fav go into a konsole
[06:00] <SuperSub> where do i find Konsole?
[06:00] <darkdelusions> and type sudo apt-get pruge adobe-flashplugin
[06:01] <SuperSub> E: Invalid operation pruge
[06:01] <darkdelusions> i miss spelled purge
[06:01] <darkdelusions> rofl
[06:01] <darkdelusions> sudo apt-get purge adobe-flashplugin
[06:01] <SuperSub> E: The package adobe-flashplugin needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[06:02] <darkdelusions> ok
[06:02] <maco> its in the partner repo
[06:02] <darkdelusions> The install from the adobe site didnt work for you
[06:02] <darkdelusions> for some reason
[06:03] <darkdelusions> that what I was triyng to figure out
[06:03] <SuperSub> i installed this package install_flash_player_10_linux.deb
[06:03] <darkdelusions> Did you download it and then open it
[06:03] <darkdelusions> or did you tell it to run
[06:03] <SuperSub> yep
[06:04] <darkdelusions> .....
[06:04] <SuperSub> should i try it again?
[06:05] <darkdelusions> go into kpackage manager
[06:05] <darkdelusions> and do a search fro flash
[06:05] <SuperSub> are you saying synaptic package manager?
[06:06] <darkdelusions> you using 9.10?
[06:06] <SuperSub> yep
[06:06] <darkdelusions> just go up to the search box
[06:06] <darkdelusions> and type in kpack
[06:06] <darkdelusions> and it will come up
[06:07] <darkdelusions> the seach box in the kmenu sorry
[06:07] <darkdelusions> Tonight is not the night for me to try and explain things it seems
[06:09] <rochas> salut
[06:09] <SuperSub> does not look like its installed
[06:09] <rochas> l
[06:11] <darkdelusions> download the deb from adobe one more time
[06:11] <egoflux> is there a package that has all the whois, ssh, finger, and other networking tools at the same time?
[06:11] <SuperSub> ok doing right now..
[06:12] <SuperSub> deb is for 8.04 is that ok?
[06:13] <darkdelusions> thats the one I used
[06:13] <SuperSub> done
[06:14] <darkdelusions> no go into the download older and open it
[06:14] <SuperSub> package installer is running
[06:14] <darkdelusions> k
[06:15] <darkdelusions> make sure you closed out of kpackagekit
[06:15] <SuperSub> error could not open install_flash_player_10_linux.deb  package may be corrupt...
[06:16] <darkdelusions> THis should make life ezer
[06:16] <darkdelusions> do u still have a konsoleopen?
[06:16] <SuperSub> one sec
[06:17] <SuperSub> one sec
[06:17] <SuperSub> ok
[06:17] <darkdelusions> Loading Please Wait......
[06:17] <SuperSub> ready
[06:17] <darkdelusions> type in sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:17] <darkdelusions> err
[06:17] <darkdelusions> wait
[06:17] <SuperSub> ok
[06:17] <darkdelusions> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:18] <darkdelusions> sorry wanted to get you the kde package not that there is much differnce
[06:18] <SuperSub> $ sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:18] <SuperSub> Reading package lists... Done
[06:18] <SuperSub> Building dependency tree
[06:18] <SuperSub> Reading state information... Done
[06:18] <SuperSub> E: The package adobe-flashplugin needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.
[06:18] <FloodBotK3> SuperSub: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:18] <SuperSub> administrator@ZUES:~$
[06:19] <darkdelusions> SuperSub: at the konsole window
[06:19] <darkdelusions> type
[06:20] <darkdelusions> dpkg --purge adobe-flashplugin
[06:20] <SuperSub> ok sorry
[06:20] <darkdelusions> I am gonna go smoke i will brb
[06:20] <SuperSub> k
[06:21] <SuperSub> check the output.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/337059/
[06:23] <darkdelusions> You left out the d
[06:23] <darkdelusions> it dpkg --purge adobe-flashplugin
[06:24] <SuperSub> http://paste.ubuntu.com/337060/
[06:25] <SuperSub> still no go..
[06:27] <darkdelusions> SuperSub: give me a sec
[06:27] <darkdelusions> I am looking
[06:28] <SuperSub> ok
[06:30] <darkdelusions> try the following
[06:30] <darkdelusions> http://paste.ubuntu.com/337063/
[06:32] <SuperSub> line 1 did not work but the other s did ok
[06:32] <darkdelusions> ok
[06:32] <darkdelusions> now try
[06:32] <darkdelusions> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:33] <darkdelusions> tell me if you get the same apt error
[06:33]  * darkdelusions crosses fingers
[06:33] <SuperSub> can find archieve
[06:34] <SuperSub> http://paste.ubuntu.com/337065/
[06:34] <darkdelusions> does sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree work for you
[06:34] <darkdelusions> if not your missing a repo
[06:34] <SuperSub> let em try
[06:35] <darkdelusions> sigh
[06:35] <darkdelusions> its still giving u the adobe error
[06:35] <SuperSub> still get the message package adobe flsash plugin needs to be re-installed.
[06:36] <darkdelusions> and the lines i pasted you earlier didnt work
[06:36] <darkdelusions> ?
[06:36] <darkdelusions> sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/flashplugin-nonfree.prerm
[06:36] <darkdelusions> ?
[06:36] <SuperSub> 1st did not work the other 2 did ok..
[06:36] <darkdelusions> what the output of the rm line?
[06:37] <SuperSub> cannot remove `/var/lib/dpkg/info/flashplugin-nonfree.prerm': No such file or directory
[06:37] <darkdelusions> I gave you the wrong line
[06:37] <darkdelusions> thats why
[06:37] <SuperSub> ok
[06:38] <noaXess> how can i stop kdm from automatic start on system start?
[06:41] <darkdelusions> SuperSub: http://paste.ubuntu.com/337070/
[06:42] <SuperSub> see output.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/337071/\
[06:42] <SuperSub> http://paste.ubuntu.com/337071/
[06:47] <darkdelusions> SuperSub: type the following
[06:47] <darkdelusions> sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/adobe-flashplugin.prerm
[06:47] <darkdelusions> then run the 2 commands agian
[06:47] <darkdelusions> that I gave u in your paste bind
[06:47] <darkdelusions> errr
[06:47] <darkdelusions> bin
[06:47] <FloodBotK3> darkdelusions: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:49] <SuperSub> hey thanks for the help but i will need to continue another time...
[06:49] <darkdelusions> fok
[06:49] <darkdelusions> ok
[06:49] <SuperSub> cheers appreciate your assistance..
[06:49] <darkdelusions> np
[06:49] <SuperSub> if you on later maybe we can continue..
[06:59] <BlueX12> anyone here?
[06:59] <shadeslayer> BlueX12: yo
[06:59] <BlueX12> once I have installed an application, where do I find it?
[06:59] <shadeslayer> BlueX12: depends on the app... whats the app?
[06:59] <BlueX12> I installed new stuff from the package manager but it isn't in favorites or its k menu catagory
[06:59] <BlueX12> irc clients
[06:59] <shadeslayer> like?
[07:00] <BlueX12> perl irc client
[07:00] <BlueX12> sirc
[07:00] <shadeslayer> BlueX12: that would be a cli app i thinl
[07:00] <shadeslayer> *think
[07:01] <BlueX12> where ar ethose
[07:01] <SuperSub> hey darkdelusions
[07:01] <BlueX12> even ircii didn't show up
[07:01] <shadeslayer> BlueX12: press alt+F2 > konsole > type "sirc" without the " > press enter
[07:01] <SuperSub> my system time is wrong ihave another 1hr
[07:02] <SuperSub> i just re-installed the deb package again and this time it worked but I know have another problem... no sound..
[07:02] <BlueX12> is there one that isn't through terminal?
[07:02] <shadeslayer> BlueX12: quassel
[07:03] <BlueX12> quassel is broken
[07:03] <BlueX12> broke in under an hour of using it
[07:03] <shadeslayer> BlueX12: broken?
[07:03] <BlueX12> nothing I type shows up and no nicknames show up anymore
[07:03] <BlueX12> but I can see people talking
[07:03] <noaXess> !mp3
[07:03] <darkdelusions> SuperSub: that one is an ez thing to fix
[07:04] <darkdelusions> well mabye
[07:04] <darkdelusions> go into kmix
[07:04] <SuperSub> sweet
[07:04] <darkdelusions> click on mixer
[07:04] <SuperSub> have alsa mixer
[07:05] <darkdelusions> click on the the speaker
[07:05] <BlueX12> can kubuntu use wine?
[07:05] <BlueX12> maybe I should just use icechat irc
[07:05] <SuperSub> ok
[07:05] <BlueX12> I must say that kubuntu is pretty buggy
[07:05] <BlueX12> crashed and irc stopped working in under an hour
[07:06] <darkdelusions> and look for pcm (in my mixer its the 3 one over)
[07:06] <darkdelusions> turn it up
[07:07] <BlueX12> can someone recommend a gui irc client other than quassel?
[07:07] <SuperSub> testing
[07:07] <SuperSub> still no sound
[07:11] <SuperSub> any ideas...
[07:12] <r00t_ninja_> whats the problem?
[07:13] <shadeslayer> BlueX12: theres also pidgin
[07:14] <shadeslayer> BlueX12: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat << Quite good
[07:17] <darkdelusions> BlueX12: I like Konversation
[07:17] <SuperSub> hey i tried my brother login and the sound works fine..
[07:18] <r00t_ninja_> make sure all the right channells are unmuted in kmixer
[07:20] <rfgergrthnre> :o)
[07:20] <SuperSub> still no sound...
[07:21] <rfgergrthnre> I tried installing Kubuntu 9.10 dualbooting with Windows 7 Home Basic, but the grub bootloader doesn't show when I boot up
[07:22] <r00t_ninja_> SuperSub: try testing different devices in the multimedia section in system settings
[07:23] <rfgergrthnre> hello?
[07:28] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: so it boots kubuntu but not windows correct?
[07:28] <rfgergrthnre> shadeslayer, no, windows boots great, but the grub bootloader doesn't even show
[07:29] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: ah.. edit /etc/default/grub then
[07:29] <rfgergrthnre> shadeslayer, er, how can I get there when linux doesn't even load?
[07:30] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: oh you mean linux doesnt boot but windows does?
[07:30] <rfgergrthnre> Yes
[07:30] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: do you have a bootable CD?
[07:31] <rfgergrthnre> Yeah, that's how I installed Kubuntu
[07:31] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: ok,boot the cd and then (write this down :P )
[07:32] <rfgergrthnre> :op
[07:32] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: sudo fdisk -l (to check the disk name)
[07:33] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: bleh... got a link for you,just a sec
[07:33] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover Grub 2 via LiveCD
[07:35] <rfgergrthnre> shadeslayer, that's greek to me
[07:35] <rfgergrthnre> but it's linux; i shouldn't expect anything more
[07:36] <rfgergrthnre> i don't even know how to open a terminal
[07:36] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: actually thats all english :P,just follow the wiki,and the listed commands :)
[07:36] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: in kubuntu press alt+F2 and type konsole and hit enter
[07:36] <rfgergrthnre> shadeslayer, "open up a terminal" - how the hell do I do that?
[07:37] <rfgergrthnre> shadeslayer, I'm in LIVE CD
[07:37] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: now you know how :)
[07:37] <rfgergrthnre> NOT KUBUNTU
[07:37] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: eh?
[07:37] <Daskreech> rfgergrthnre: Which live CD ?
[07:39] <shadeslayer> Daskreech: he said he had a live cd,thats how he installed kubuntu
[07:44] <rfgergrthnre> i don't understand a word of that guide
[07:44] <rfgergrthnre> i don't understand chroot
[07:44] <rfgergrthnre> i don't understand which partition to look for
[07:46] <rfgergrthnre> this is all greek to me
[07:47] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: ok well help you with every step,ok?
[07:48] <r00t_ninja_> are we tring to fix grub?
[07:48] <shadeslayer> r00t_ninja_: yep
[07:48] <r00t_ninja_> he cant boot into windows right?
[07:48] <shadeslayer> r00t_ninja_: he cant boot kubuntu
[07:48] <rfgergrthnre> no, windows works great
[07:49] <r00t_ninja_> oh ok
[07:49] <rfgergrthnre> linux is the hassle, as usual
[07:49] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: actually its not...
[07:49] <r00t_ninja_> ^
[07:49] <rfgergrthnre> if i try to run chroot is says cannot run command
[07:49] <r00t_ninja_> windows likes to completly destroy all other bootloaders
[07:49] <shadeslayer> r00t_ninja_: i completely agree
[07:49] <rfgergrthnre> i installed windows first then kubuntu, r00t_ninja
[07:50] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: did you install the bootloader as well?
[07:50] <rfgergrthnre> how do i do that?
[07:50] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: well if you didnt change any settings it should have been installed by default
[07:51] <rfgergrthnre> shadeslayer, it wasn't
[07:51] <r00t_ninja_> just boot off the live cd and run grub-install
[07:51] <rfgergrthnre> can i manually install it?
[07:51] <r00t_ninja_> yes
[07:52] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: yep,as r00t_ninja_ said
[07:52] <rfgergrthnre> how?
[07:52] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: sudo grub-install /dev/sdaX where X is your drive no.
[07:53] <shadeslayer> (X is determined by sudo fdisk -l)
[07:53] <r00t_ninja_> boot off the livecd and run the command "sudo grub-insta"ll /dev/sda
[07:53] <r00t_ninja_> boot off the livecd and run the command "sudo grub-install /dev/sda"
[07:53] <r00t_ninja_> shadeslayer: that wont install to the mbr'
[07:53] <shadeslayer> r00t_ninja_: ah your right,brb in a few mins
[07:54] <r00t_ninja_> rfgergrthnre: boot off the livecd and come onto this irc
[07:54] <r00t_ninja_> we can step you through
[07:55] <r00t_ninja_> rfgergrthnre: you there?
[07:56] <rfgergrthnre> no luck
[07:56] <r00t_ninja_> ?
[07:56] <rfgergrthnre> auto-detection of a file system module failed
[07:57] <r00t_ninja_> when you ran  "sudo grub-install /dev/sda" ?
[07:57] <rfgergrthnre> yes
[07:59] <r00t_ninja_> what about " grub-install --recheck /dev/sda"
[07:59] <r00t_ninja_> what about "sudo grub-install --recheck /dev/sda"
[08:01] <r00t_ninja_> rfgergrthnre: you there?
[08:04] <Orion777> is there a way to adjust color/brightness settings etc in kubuntu?
[08:04] <rfgergrthnre> r00t_ninja, same error
[08:05] <r00t_ninja_> so is the windows boot loader the only one available?
[08:05] <r00t_ninja_> theres nothing to do with grub?
[08:06] <rfgergrthnre> yea
[08:06] <rfgergrthnre> it can see the partition in windows
[08:06] <r00t_ninja_> its wierd that grub didint install
[08:06] <rfgergrthnre> doesnt recognize the file system but it sees it
[08:06] <rfgergrthnre> its obviously a bug
[08:06] <rfgergrthnre> forget it; linux sucks
[08:07] <Orion777> you're using kubuntu?
[08:07] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: not for me
[08:07] <Orion777> rfgergrthnre, you're using kubuntu?
[08:07] <rfgergrthnre> Orion777, ya
[08:08] <Orion777> its buggy, there are more reliable releases
[08:08] <r00t_ninja_> the only other thing i can think of is grub is installed and windows is the default boot option , try pressing esc during your boot to see if you can get to a menu that lists all options
[08:09] <r00t_ninja_> or maybe your hd is a different device
[08:10] <r00t_ninja_> "grub-install --recheck /dev/hda"
[08:11] <Orion777> r00t_ninja, you've got skillz
[08:11] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: run sudo fdisk -l first and tell us the first line of the list
[08:11] <r00t_ninja_> ?
[08:11] <shadeslayer> r00t_ninja_: best way to tell what device he has
[08:12] <r00t_ninja_> i was talking to orion
[08:12] <shadeslayer> ah
[08:12] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: like mine has : Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB,<PHONE_NUMBER>76 bytes
[08:13] <rfgergrthnre> not interested
[08:13] <Orion777> shadeslayer, is there a way to change brightness/contrast/color settings?
[08:13] <rfgergrthnre> i've been trying for 3 days to get it working
[08:13] <rfgergrthnre> when a system wont even start up after 3 days of constant trying, it tells me said system is a piece of rubbish
[08:14] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: well its up to you... if it didnt work for you,too bad
[08:14] <shadeslayer> Orion777: desktop or laptop?
[08:14] <Orion777> laptop
[08:15] <Orion777> I can raise brightness from laptop but my card has digital vibrance and stuff and I dont know how to use it in kubuntu
[08:15] <shadeslayer> Orion777: what card? nvidia or ati?
[08:15] <r00t_ninja_> ^
[08:15] <Orion777> nvidia
[08:15] <r00t_ninja_> do you have the nvidia drivers?
[08:15] <ghostcube> nvidia-settings should be ok for extra settings
[08:15] <shadeslayer> Orion777: ok,do you have the restricted drivers?
[08:15] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: yep
[08:16] <Orion777> well I used the hardware driver detect thing
[08:16] <ghostcube> Orion777: open konsole
[08:16] <shadeslayer> Orion777: yeah,you activated the drivers right?
[08:16] <Orion777> yes
[08:16] <ghostcube> and test nvidia-settings
[08:16] <r00t_ninja_> press alt-f2
[08:16] <r00t_ninja_> and type
[08:16] <r00t_ninja_> kdesudo nvidia-settings
[08:16] <shadeslayer> r00t_ninja_: no need for sudo
[08:16] <ghostcube> r00t_ninjafirst time start maybe better without sudo
[08:16] <ghostcube> so he didnt kill its xorg
[08:16] <rfgergrthnre> shadeslayer, sorry but i work and i need a pc that functions, not a pc that's a hacker's toys and requires endless tweaking to do even basic tasks
[08:16] <r00t_ninja_> you cant save xorg settings tho without it
[08:17] <ghostcube> r00t_ninja yeah thats wanted
[08:17] <shadeslayer> r00t_ninja_: i didnt even tweak a thing on my PC
[08:17] <ghostcube> dont ever get used to sudo in the first time use of an prog
[08:17] <r00t_ninja_> wrong tab ;)
[08:17] <ghostcube> if not really needed
[08:17] <ghostcube> << tab moron
[08:17] <ghostcube> :D
[08:17] <r00t_ninja_> -.-
[08:17] <ghostcube> and 9 am here
[08:18] <ghostcube> so iam still a bit tired
[08:19] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: if you will co operate with us for 10 mins you will probably get kubuntu working
[08:20] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: its not a problem with the OS but with windows bootloader itself
[08:20] <ghostcube> oh dualboot win7 karmic ?
[08:20] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: yep
[08:20] <ghostcube> damn in german c't was an big story how to do it
[08:20] <rfgergrthnre> yeah every problem is ms according to u guys
[08:20] <ghostcube> i havent got it in the office now
[08:21] <rfgergrthnre> the thought that it could be linux is unthinkable
[08:21] <ghostcube> rfgergrthnre: its definetly the boot loader of ms
[08:21] <ghostcube> and it is not only us here noticing this
[08:21] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: well yeah,its a genuine problem
[08:21] <maco> rfgergrthnre: make grub your default boot loader, and you're good
[08:21] <ghostcube> maco: ++ cookie
[08:21] <ghostcube> :)
[08:22] <shadeslayer> hehe..
[08:22] <maco> yeah, ms likes to have a monopoly on the system. oh well. lucky we have our own tools
[08:22] <Orion777> holy crap, changing the invidia settings helped alot thank you
[08:22] <maco> and they work!
[08:22] <ghostcube> Orion777: no prob
[08:22] <ghostcube> but to get it working on every start you have to take a look into the nvidia pages i think
[08:22] <ghostcube> maco: any news for jackd to main
[08:23] <ghostcube> i heared youre audio guru now
[08:23] <maco> ghostcube: no idea
[08:23] <ghostcube> heh
[08:23] <ghostcube> ok
[08:23] <rfgergrthnre> maco, how?
[08:23] <maco> ghostcube: for kubuntu, ive been voluntelled. dtchen is still overall audio guru. i suppose with archive reorg that jack will go into the mythbuntu set though
[08:23] <ghostcube> ah ok :)
[08:24] <maco> rfgergrthnre: should be able to install it from a live cd
[08:24] <ghostcube> but this sounds good ma
[08:24] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: like we told you,we first need the first line of : sudo fdisk -l : from a konsole
[08:24] <ghostcube> co
[08:24] <ghostcube> damn tabbning
[08:25] <rfgergrthnre> shadeslayer, give me a mo
[08:25] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: sure :)
[08:25] <ghostcube> rfgergrthnre: you first installed win7 than karmic
[08:25] <ghostcube> with grub2 as loader ?
[08:25] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: thats what he said...
[08:26] <rfgergrthnre> i just followed the install instructions
[08:26] <luux> hi
[08:26] <r00t_ninja_> if you want to repair you boot loader download and burn http://prdownload.berlios.de/supergrub/grub-rescue-cdrom.iso to a cd
[08:26] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: btw from personal experience,i havent opened windows for the past 2 months :)
[08:26] <ghostcube> rfgergrthnre: just reinstall grub
[08:26] <ghostcube> and do an grub update after reboot
[08:26] <luux> how to make jack default sound system
[08:27] <rfgergrthnre> r00t_ninja, no thanks, don't want more linux junk
[08:27] <ghostcube> luux: you need an ppa
[08:27] <ghostcube> moment pls
[08:27] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: thats what were helping him with,hes new to this
[08:27] <luux> which one?
[08:27] <rfgergrthnre> r00t_ninja, if it's linux-based, it'll no doubt destroy my system
[08:27] <luux> in gentoo jack shows up in system settings of kde4
[08:27] <maco> this is what worked for me
[08:27] <maco> http://paste.ubuntu.com/331433/
[08:27] <ghostcube> luux: i have it
[08:27] <maco> replacing /media/blahblah with your drive mounted from the live cd
[08:28] <luux> so the whole kde uses it.
[08:28] <r00t_ninja_> wait , you can boot into windows right?
[08:28] <maco> and well instead of /dev/sdb probably /dev/sda since im guessing you have only one drive
[08:28] <ghostcube> luux: http://ppa.launchpad.net/motin/until-jack-is-included-in-main/ubuntu
[08:28] <shadeslayer> r00t_ninja_: yep he can
[08:28] <ghostcube> and you need an asoundrc luux
[08:28] <r00t_ninja_> just get this then: http://download.cnet.com/Auto-Super-Grub-Disk/3000-2094_4-10829335.html
[08:29] <maco> rfgergrthnre: well your options are dont use linux at all or use grub because ntldr wont boot non-windows OSes. your choice.
[08:29] <ghostcube> luux: i have an updated jackd ppa too
[08:29] <ghostcube> works very well
[08:29] <ghostcube> iam using it since month now
[08:29] <luux> thanks
[08:29] <rfgergrthnre> brb
[08:30] <ghostcube> luux: https://launchpad.net/~frasten/+archive/ppa
[08:32] <ubuntu> I'm back
[08:32] <rssadfa> what do u want me to do?
[08:33] <r00t_ninja_> your on the livecd?
[08:33] <rssadfa> yeah
[08:33] <r00t_ninja_> open up a terminal
[08:33] <r00t_ninja_> and type
[08:33] <r00t_ninja_> fdisk -l
[08:33] <rssadfa> k
[08:33] <shadeslayer> rssadfa: make that sudo fdisk -l
[08:34] <r00t_ninja_> ^
[08:34] <r00t_ninja_> put the output here: http://pastebin.com/
[08:36] <shadeslayer> rssadfa: done?
[08:36] <rssadfa> wait
[08:37] <shadeslayer> rssadfa: sure... just copy and paste :)
[08:37] <rssadfa> shadeslayer: http://pastebin.com/d743f2b9b
[08:38] <shadeslayer> rssadfa: ok now type : sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[08:39] <shadeslayer> oh he has 2 drives..
[08:39] <rssadfa> yeah
[08:39] <shadeslayer> r00t_ninja_: what do you think? sda or sdb?
[08:39] <shadeslayer> rssadfa: just a sev
[08:39] <rssadfa> i wanna put the bootloader on the 80gig
[08:39] <shadeslayer> *sec
[08:39] <r00t_ninja_> sda
[08:40] <shadeslayer> rssadfa: we need the bootloader on sda,since thats the primary drive
[08:40] <r00t_ninja_> wait
[08:40] <r00t_ninja_> no
[08:40] <shadeslayer> r00t_ninja_: ?
[08:40] <r00t_ninja_> hes got linux on sdb
[08:40] <shadeslayer> r00t_ninja_: yeah
[08:40] <r00t_ninja_> its not a grub problem
[08:40] <r00t_ninja_> because its on that drive
[08:41] <r00t_ninja_> he needs to choose to boot from that in his bios options
[08:41] <shadeslayer>  r00t_ninja_ ah..
[08:41] <rssadfa> k
[08:41] <rssadfa> lemme try
[08:41] <r00t_ninja_> rssadfa: when you boot up try pressing f12
[08:41] <rssadfa> quit
[08:42] <r00t_ninja_> im guessing /dev/sda was his primary boot device
[08:42] <shadeslayer> r00t_ninja_: yeah me too
[08:47] <rfgergrthnre> nope
[08:47] <rfgergrthnre> didn't work
[08:47] <rfgergrthnre> it stalls at GRUB
[08:47] <rfgergrthnre> the word GRUB appears and it parks
[08:47] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: whats the exact error message?
[08:47] <rfgergrthnre> thanks guys, u meant well
[08:47] <rfgergrthnre> but really, i'm finished
[08:47] <rfgergrthnre> shadeslayer, there is none
[08:47] <rfgergrthnre> shadeslayer, it just stalls at GRUB
[08:48] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: oh well....
[08:48] <rfgergrthnre> what a piece of junk
[08:48] <rfgergrthnre> i guess u get what u pay for
[08:48] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: please,it didnt work for you but it works for us
[08:48] <maco> rfgergrthnre: can you hit esc to get into the menu?
[08:48] <rfgergrthnre> maco, no
[08:48] <maco> rfgergrthnre: did you try?
[08:48] <rfgergrthnre> maco, yes
[08:49] <rfgergrthnre> shadeslayer, not just me; ive spoken to dozens of folks who have issues with it
[08:49] <maco> dunno what to tell you. works for several million other folks :-/
[08:49] <rfgergrthnre> shadeslayer, look on the forums; millions have the same problems
[08:49] <rfgergrthnre> linux is broken and buggy; sorry u cant accept it
[08:50] <Orion777> why doesn't he just reformat hd with two partitions, install kubuntu in one and win 7 in the other? that's what I did
[08:50] <Orion777> works fine
[08:51] <Mamarok> millions? rfgergrthnre, please don't exaggerate :)
[08:51] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: its a lost cause :(
[08:51] <Orion777> is he trying to get it to install or something else?
[08:51] <r00t_ninja> !ot
[08:51] <maco> probably something we could debug in person but its hard online
[08:51] <rfgergrthnre> Orion777, i tried that previously, same problem
[08:51] <maco> rfgergrthnre: is there an ubuntu loco team near you?
[08:51] <rfgergrthnre> Orion777, thats why i partitioned
[08:52] <rfgergrthnre> maco, i had an experience with a fellow named marek (www.marek.co.za)
[08:52] <maco> the logical alternative to avoid grub, i think, would be to use wubi
[08:52] <r00t_ninja> something probably got messed up in all our attempts to repair something nit broken
[08:52] <Orion777> what I did was had win 7, used euseus partition manager to create a second partition, booted up with kubuntu disk, chose the second partition in advanced(manual) partition section
[08:53] <rfgergrthnre> it was horrible maco
[08:53] <rfgergrthnre> he was rude and condescending
[08:53] <Orion777> then formatted it as ext4 and chose it as installation location
[08:53] <maco> rfgergrthnre: i'm sorry. thats NOT how people are supposed to act in this community
[08:54] <rfgergrthnre> i dont see why i need to struggle with a clunky, buggy os and then have to take abuse from its cultists
[08:54] <maco> rfgergrthnre: i see .co.za  are you in south africa?
[08:54] <Orion777> lol
[08:54] <dihae> any news of the kde 4.4 beta 1 packages?
[08:54] <maco> dihae: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[08:54] <r00t_ninja> rfgergrthnre: My suggestion if you want to try again is install again exactly the same way you did before
[08:54] <fantome> slt ts
[08:55] <rfgergrthnre> how do i get rid of the ext4 partitions?
[08:55] <luux> rfgergrthnre: delet m$$$ shit install kubuntu, problem solved.
[08:55] <shadeslayer> rfgergrthnre: format them from windows partition manager
[08:55] <shadeslayer> luux: heh
[08:55] <luux> m$$ suck anyways.
[08:55] <maco> rfgergrthnre: if you're in south africa, http://wiki.ubuntu-za.org/Wiki_Home
[08:55] <r00t_ninja> !ot
[08:55] <maco> luux: stop that
[08:55] <maco> luux: 1) rfgergrthnre's issue is with grub
[08:56] <maco> luux: 2) thats not how you spell microsoft
[08:56] <shadeslayer> yessss.... their in staging :D
[08:56] <maco> luux: 3) no saying the s word
[08:56] <maco> luux: 4) you're behaving trollishly
[08:56] <dihae> maco: thanks, though it looks like it's still going to take a while
[08:56] <luux> yawn
[08:57] <maco> luux: that is not how you welcome a new user, particularly one who is extremely frustrated with linux
[08:57] <maco> luux: better behaviour is expected
[08:58] <shadeslayer> maco: so packaging will be probably finished by today i guess?
[08:58] <maco> !guidelines | in case nobody's clear on the expected behaviour in this and all *buntu channels
[08:59] <maco> shadeslayer: i guess? i spent 3 days on kdeedu and finally handed off to ScottK
[08:59] <maco> marek_: did you talk to someone who goes by rfgergrthnre about kubuntu?
[08:59] <shadeslayer> maco: hehe.. its hard being a ninja :)
[08:59] <shadeslayer> maco: i did why?
[09:00] <maco> shadeslayer: not you, marek. rf<tab> said something about marek
[09:00] <shadeslayer> maco: ah ok
[09:08] <Orion777> why does hardware driver detection only pick up video card drivers?
[09:09] <shadeslayer> Orion777: because its meant only for video cards
[09:09] <Orion777> what works for network card etc?
[09:09] <Orion777> or is that already current
[09:09] <shadeslayer> Orion777: its auto detected by kernel modules
[09:10] <r00t_ninja> Hardware Drivers is only for proprietary drivers
[09:11] <Orion777> k
[09:27] <Orion777> you guys tried kmyfirewall?
[09:27] <Orion777> I remember in an older ubuntu there was something called simple firewall, I can't seem to find it
[09:27] <Orion777> is a firewall built into kubuntu by default?
[09:28] <r00t_ninja> iptables comes by default
[09:28] <Orion777> is it active by default?
[09:28] <Orion777> how do I check its status
[09:28] <Orion777> or activate it
[09:29] <||arifaX> Hi, where can I find my recycle bin?
[09:29] <r00t_ninja> firestarter is a good gui for iptables
[09:29] <Orion777> arifax, utilities/dolphin file manager, trash
[09:30] <tsimpson> ||arifaX: open dolphin or konqueror and go to trash:/
[09:30] <||arifaX> Orion777: is there no longer an icon somewhere?
[09:30] <r00t_ninja> ||arifaX: there is also a plasma widget for it
[09:30] <r00t_ninja> unlock your widgets , click add widget and search trasg
[09:30] <r00t_ninja> unlock your widgets , click add widget and search trash
[09:30] <||arifaX> what is it called ? I searched    aptitude search recycl and nothing found ahhh should search for trash
[09:31] <`Thor>  does anyone know how to set up konversation to automatically authenticate upon connection to gamesurge?
[09:31] <||arifaX> it finds trashapplet
[09:31] <r00t_ninja> thats the one
[09:31] <r00t_ninja> `Thor: edit your identity
[09:31] <||arifaX> r00t_ninja: btw it has no description <- bad bad bad
[09:32] <||arifaX> r00t_ninja: oh and it wants to add the gnome environment < -no no no
[09:32] <||arifaX> r00t_ninja: we need something different
[09:32] <r00t_ninja> mmm
[09:33] <r00t_ninja> try guarddog
[09:34] <tsimpson> ||arifaX: right click the desktop, choose "Add Widgets" and search for "delete", it should show the widget
[09:34] <tsimpson> you can drag it to the panel or put it on the desktop
[09:36] <||arifaX> tsimpson: got it - thanks a lot - it was so easy. classical "error between the headphones"
[09:37] <maco> Orion777: ubuntu includes iptables in an unconfigured state. unconfigured because with no services listening, its no different than dropping all anyway. ufw ("uncomplicated firewall") is a command line wrapper for it, and i know in ubuntu there's a frontend for it called gufw that seems nice (and, unlike firestarter, is actually maintained)
[09:38] <Orion777> how do I find it for kubuntu?
[09:38] <maco> all the same repositories, so in the package manager as you would anything else
[09:38] <maco> ufw is installed by default, i believe
[09:39] <maco> it has such difficult commands as "sudo ufw allow daap" :P
[09:39] <r00t_ninja> guarddog is a nice gui for kde
[09:39] <maco> r00t_ninja: i found guarddog impossible to use. and i got into a "oh god cant get online to find out what i did wrong!" state
[09:40] <Orion777> firestarter seems to be working
[09:40] <ghostcube> hmm best is pccop router or an nat router
[09:40] <ghostcube> no need for an internal fw on an linux client
[09:40] <ghostcube> ipcop
[09:40] <ghostcube> o.O
[09:41] <Orion777> ghostcube, you're saying I don't need a firewall?
[09:41] <ghostcube> why should you
[09:41] <ghostcube> dont you use an router or so ?
[09:41] <maco> Orion777: if you're already behind a firewall and you trust everything inside your lan, no
[09:41] <Orion777> yes
[09:41] <r00t_ninja> all ports are closed and have nothing listening on them by default
[09:41] <maco> r00t_ninja: "open but nothing listening" actually...
[09:41] <ghostcube> so i wont slow down my own client if using an nat router
[09:42] <Orion777> kmyfirewall ran some script and I wonder if it changed the settings..how would I reset them
[09:42] <maco> r00t_ninja: check your "sudo iptables -L" ...it's ALLOW
[09:42] <ghostcube> statefull and stateless is different
[09:42] <ghostcube> ;)
[09:42] <r00t_ninja> my bad
[09:43] <ghostcube> but Orion777 i wouldnt use fw direct on the client if you have an old pc with less power you can just use it as an ipcop firewall
[09:45] <maco> Orion777: if you dont have any services running, you can just plain not use a firewall
[09:45] <maco> Orion777: because a service needs to be listening in order for a connection to be established
[09:46] <Orion777> I dont know what services I have running
[09:46] <ghostcube> if you dont installed any apache or so it should only be port 53 thats listening
[09:46] <ghostcube> :D
[09:46] <maco> Orion777: have you installed an ssh server, database, web server, or mail server?
[09:46] <Orion777> no
[09:46] <maco> Orion777: then probably none, since kubuntu comes with none
[09:46] <ghostcube> so nothing to keep safe
[09:47] <Orion777> how do I reset my iptable settings?
[09:48] <r00t_ninja> im off to sleep g'night
[09:51] <a2f> hi, just wondering if ubuntu supports make.conf... can't find one
[09:52] <a2f> never mind
[10:12] <ilan_> hello
[10:12] <Orion777> hi ilan
[10:12] <ilan_> i've got eepc
[10:13] <Orion777> cool, I'm thinking of getting one of those
[10:13] <ilan_> and i installed ubuntu9.10
[10:13] <ilan_> i had before 9.04
[10:13] <ilan_> and everything worked great
[10:14] <Orion777> yes?
[10:14] <ilan_> then i upgraded to 9.10
[10:14] <Orion777> well, what do you think?
[10:15] <ilan_> suddenly it wont detect my sound card
[10:15] <ilan_> i hear very low volume
[10:15] <Orion777> hmm, from what I understand 9.04 is still more reliable
[10:15] <Orion777> stable etc
[10:15] <Orion777> brb
[10:16] <ilan_> you know how can i downgrade to 9.04?
[10:16] <Vroomfondle> !downgrade
[10:16] <ilan_> ouch
[10:16] <Vroomfondle> basically: it almost certainly won't work
[10:16] <Vroomfondle> the best option is to reinstall
[10:16] <ilan_> you know of any way i can fix it?
[10:17] <ilan_> everything is great except for the sound card
[10:17] <ilan_> faster etc..
[10:17] <Vroomfondle> sorry, I don't have an eepc
[10:17] <ilan_> i see
[10:17] <ilan_> thx anywasy
[10:19] <ilan_> know by chance where i should ask for help?
[10:20] <Vroomfondle> ilan_: try #alsa? It might be an ALSA-related problem
[10:20] <Vroomfondle> or ##alsa... I forget
[10:23] <Orion777> ilan, there is more help in #ubuntu
[10:23] <Orion777> heh
[10:25] <bodom> is there a way to install libreetype-32bit on my 64-bit kubuntu?
[10:39] <MadAGu> one question: any ppa for kde 4.4?
[10:39] <tsimpson> MadAGu: it's on it's way
[10:39] <MadAGu> a great i am very anxious about it....  thanks tsimpson
[10:55] <borja_sg> hi everybody
[10:58] <pog1> Hello, does anyone know why 'dolphin shows me sometimes partitions (NTFS and FAT32) Double? 9:10 I have a kubuntu with kde 4.3.4
[11:01] <Orion777> pog1, how did you upgrade to kde 4.3.4?
[11:04] <pog1> Hello Orion777, I made a "new" installation
[11:06] <Orion777> but I am using kubuntu 9.10
[11:06] <Orion777> it comes with 4.3.2
[11:06] <pog1> and sometimes when I reboot the partitions are doubled (eg DATA 1 ... DATA 1; WINDOWS... WINDOWS; DATA 2... DATA 2)
[11:10] <pog1> I did the upgrade KDE 4.3.4 As explained on www.kubuntu.org
[11:15] <gb> 아
[11:15] <gb> 이게머
[11:15] <Orion777> I still don't understand how to do it
[11:15] <Mamarok> Guest16029: English, please
[11:15] <Guest16029> i see
[11:15] <Orion777> mamarok, how do I upgrade my kde version?
[11:15] <shadeslayer> Orion777: watcha trying to do?
[11:16] <Mamarok> Orion777: see the channel topic
[11:16] <shadeslayer> Orion777: which version do you want?
[11:16] <Guest16029> how can i install my graphic driver?
[11:16] <Orion777> 4.3.4
[11:16] <Mamarok> Guest16029: what driver do you mean? Normally it should already be installed by default
[11:16] <pog1> ho provato a reinstallare kubuntu 9.10 ma il problema delle doppie partizioni visualizzata da dolphin si presenta ancora qualche volta
[11:16] <Mamarok> it | pog1
[11:17] <pog1> I tried to reinstall kubuntu 9:10 but the problem of double partitions displayed by dolphin shows a few times
[11:17] <Mamarok> !it | pog1
[11:17] <shadeslayer> Orion777: simply add the kubuntu PPA to your sources,then add the keys,the sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:17] <Guest16029> but desktop effect didn't work
[11:18] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[11:18] <Orion777> shadeslayer, I'm a newbie, how do I add the kubuntu ppa to my sources
[11:18] <pog1> sorry
[11:19] <Mamarok> Orion777: which package manager do you use?
[11:19] <borja_sg> hello, somebody can help me wiht a pair of desktop questions?
[11:19] <Orion777> kpackagekit
[11:20] <Mamarok> Orion777: well, open it and go to the Settings, ther you can add the PPA
[11:20] <Mamarok> there*
[11:20] <shadeslayer> borja_sg: sure
[11:22] <Orion777> mamarok, what do I do in the settings?
[11:22] <Mamarok> Orion777: well, open your eyes, there is a button "Edit Software Sources"
[11:22] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: hehe...
[11:23] <shadeslayer> Orion777: its in a tab called additional software sources
[11:23] <Mamarok> Orion777: once there, it will ask you your password, then go to the second tab and add the sources line there
[11:23] <borja_sg> i have many problems with ubuntu 9.10 and i have begin now wiht kubuntu
[11:24] <borja_sg> i use kubuntu 9.10, it works fine
[11:24] <Orion777> mamarok, you mean other software?
[11:24] <Orion777> there is no additional software sources
[11:25] <Mamarok> yes, the second tab, didn't I say that?
[11:26] <borja_sg> but it is new for me, are there any equivalent to gconf-editor in ubuntu? how can i put de "system" icon in the desktop?
[11:26] <shadeslayer> Orion777: press the add button,and add the repo line
[11:26] <Mamarok> Orion777: I didn't talk about additional software sources
[11:26] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: I already told him that, no need to repeat everything I say
[11:26] <Orion777> I add this? http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
[11:26] <Mamarok> exactly
[11:27] <shadeslayer> Orion777: the deb word too..
[11:27] <Mamarok> once you have done that, go to the Updates section, and do a refresh
[11:28] <Mamarok> tsimpson: ubottu seems not to work
[11:28] <Mamarok> unless it was the netsplit
[11:28] <tsimpson> !ping
[11:28] <Mamarok> ok, was the split then, thx :)
[11:28] <shadeslayer> :D
[11:29] <Mamarok> Orion777: does it update?
[11:29] <Orion777> yes, thanks!
[11:31] <Mamarok> nice :)
[11:31] <borja_sg> help please
[11:31] <borja_sg> are there any equivalent to gconf-editor in ubuntu? how can i put de "system" icon in the desktop?
[11:32] <tsimpson> byw, an easy way to add PPAs to your sources is like this "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa" :)
[11:32] <shadeslayer> yeah thats a new way :D
[11:32] <shadeslayer> adds the keys too
[11:32] <tsimpson> nice and simple
[11:33] <shadeslayer> yep
[11:34] <Mamarok> oh, nice, didn't know that :)
[11:35] <Mamarok> borja_sg: it is called systemsettings, go to the menu, right click on it to add
[11:41] <Orion777> is there anyway to skin application windows? everything is grey
[11:42] <Orion777> why are the bars in every window gray
[11:42] <Orion777> its hideous
[11:45] <Mamarok> Orion777: change the color scheme, in Systemsettings -> Apperance
[11:45] <shadeslayer> Orion777: even the win deco can be changed
[11:46] <shadeslayer> Orion777: thats the border of the window application
[11:50] <rohdef> what's the difference between the netbook and the normal edition?
[11:51] <shadeslayer> rohdef: well,just the GUI part
[11:52] <shadeslayer> rohdef: if you see the screenshots... thats the only difference
[11:52] <rohdef> ok, thanks :)
[11:56] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[12:09] <Guest46315> hi ehm... this is a very silly one....but i'm a new user.... when i minimize a window it disappear.... how do i maximize'em back?
[12:14] <Guest46315> hi ehm... this is a very silly one....but i'm a new user.... when i minimize a window it disappear.... how do i maximize'em back?
[12:17] <andrea> hi ehm... this is a very silly one....but i'm a new user.... when i minimize a window it disappear.... how do i maximize'em back?
[12:18] <andrea76> hi ehm... this is a very silly one....but i'm a new user.... when i minimize a window it disappear.... how do i maximize'em back?
[12:22] <stefan> hi - does anybody have a clue when the kde4.4 beta1 packages are going to arrive?
[12:22] <stefan> i mean - more concrete than "soon" ;)
[12:22] <maco> no, not better than that
[12:22] <maco> i can point you to a wiki page
[12:23] <maco> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[12:23] <stefan> thanks
[12:24] <stefan> "staging" means the ppa-repo where it says "DO NOT USE" in the title?
[12:24] <maco> yes
[12:25] <stefan> do you need testers for that?
[12:25] <tsimpson> stefan: no, we don't ;)
[12:25] <maco> stefan: i dont think it has all the libraries yet, so i dont think anything will actually run
[12:25] <tsimpson> no one should use it
[12:26] <stefan> ok ;) no problem
[12:43] <akseya> hi there
[12:46] <akseya> well.. i'm having a little problem, on a notebook I have Kubuntu 9.10 ... on a remote server I have an NFS share and also a Samba share .. if I type smb://<IP_ADDRESS> on douphin i get the shares, but the Network folder from KDE does not shows my server
[12:46] <akseya> what am I forgeting to configure
[12:46] <akseya> ?
[12:48] <ghostcube> so what is not showing where akseya
[12:48] <ghostcube> the smb share from linux ?
[12:49] <akseya> yeah, i wish I could see the smb://<IP_ADDRESS> from somewhere without having to type it... you know... it should be recognized automatically
[12:50] <akseya> in case I'm on another network, and there are other shares..
[12:54] <ghostcube> akseya: i can tell you an tool that is the best for samba on kde but i think jussi01 will kill me for this
[12:54] <ghostcube> :D
[12:55] <akseya> lol.. why would he kill you, ghostcube ?
[12:55] <jussi01> ghostcube: feel free... just use common sense about it :)
[12:56] <akseya> just one thing.. as the server has both nfs and smb shares (both shares the same folders) i guess I should use nfs, shouldn't I?
[12:56] <ghostcube> i think smb4k is a very fine tool
[12:56] <andrea__> hallo does anybody know if there's any program which detect and remove double files?
[12:57] <ghostcube> akseya: smb4k is the one i prefere and there is an kde4 version
[12:57] <ghostcube> :)
[12:57] <ghostcube> dont know if its in repos now but i can tell you where to get it
[12:57] <akseya> i did an apt-cache search and it found it ...
[12:58] <ghostcube> :)
[12:58] <akseya> not sure if it's kde4 version
[12:58] <Hugonaut> does anyone know how to enable the equalizer in Amarok?
[12:58] <ghostcube> it should work if in repo akseya
[12:58] <akseya> gona give it a try ;)
[12:58] <ghostcube> ;)
[12:58] <ghostcube> its worth so
[12:58] <akseya> how about the nfs question?
[12:58] <ghostcube> uhm sorry totally nfs noob :|
[12:59] <ghostcube> i do all in samba
[12:59] <akseya> it should be better than smb, since both machines are running Linux
[12:59] <a2f> does anyone know if there is a package like kde-minimal for gnome in the ubuntu repositories?
[12:59] <ghostcube> sure nfs is possible to be mounted afaik
[12:59] <ghostcube> a2f: maby anyone in #ubuntu knows better than here
[12:59] <ghostcube> :)
[13:00] <akseya> well.. going go test the smb4k .. thanks
[13:00] <andrea__> hallo does anybody know if there's any program which detect and remove double files?
[13:00] <shadeslayer> a2f: ubuntu-minimal ?
[13:00] <a2f> ghostcube: probably, which is why i also asked in there
[13:00] <ghostcube> oh ok :) iam not in #ubuntu sorry
[13:01] <ghostcube> havent seen
[13:01] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: btw smb4k kinda screwed my KDE once
[13:01] <ghostcube> shadeslayer: uhm ?
[13:01] <ghostcube> never had any probs so far o.o
[13:01] <ghostcube> iam using since 1,5 years now
[13:02] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: it was during the 4.1.x cycles.. couldnt upgrade tp 4.2 since smb4k was blocking the upgrades
[13:02] <ghostcube> outsch
[13:02] <ghostcube> i had it from getdeb at this time
[13:02] <manjula> Hi All
[13:02] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: yeah,when i removed it and installed the standard version,everything worked fine
[13:02] <shadeslayer> manjula: hey
[13:03] <ghostcube> like the simpsons manjula
[13:03] <ghostcube> :D
[13:04] <manjula> i have ubuntu 9.04 installed in my system and i want to instal windows XP on a another partition but this will overwrite my grub. So can someone please tell me the easiest way to reinstall grub after i install the windows Xp for dual boot
[13:04] <manjula> ?
[13:05]  * ghostcube not the easy way specialist :)
[13:05] <nicklas_> is there any other gui way too install packages than with kpackagekit? its kinda annoying having too look through like 1500 packages for installing the games you want :-P
[13:06] <shadeslayer> manjula: em : sudo grub-install /dev/(hard disk)
[13:06] <ghostcube> nicklas_: synaptic
[13:06] <ghostcube> its gnome but it works fine
[13:06] <manjula> shadeslayer: from the live CD ?
[13:06] <shadeslayer> manjula: yep
[13:06] <ghostcube> hi rgreening :)
[13:06] <nicklas_> synaptic is the same
[13:07]  * shadeslayer waves to rgreening
[13:07] <manjula> shadeslayer: Ok thanks i though it will not work from their
[13:07] <nicklas_> i want like in gnome, a meta packages gui
[13:07] <manjula> shadeslayer: Thanks bye
[13:07] <shadeslayer> manjula: hehe.. no problems
[13:08] <shadeslayer> nicklas_: ubuntu-desktop ?
[13:09] <nicklas_> shadeslayer: nah :-P
[13:10] <shadeslayer> nicklas_: ah you want a gui package manager?
[13:10] <nicklas_> shadeslayer: yes, where it doesnt show all the packages for the games, just the games
[13:10] <shadeslayer> nicklas_: best way is : apt-cache search package | grep some_search_word
[13:11] <nicklas_> shadeslayer: with that i get a list?
[13:11] <shadeslayer> nicklas_: yep, like : apt-cache search moon | grep buggy
[13:12] <shadeslayer> nicklas_: see.... CLI is way better and flexible :P
[13:12] <nicklas_> shadeslayer: i know, but i want that whole list where i can click the games i want
[13:13] <shadeslayer> nicklas_: well you wont be able to 'click' anything but,youll get all the info you need
[13:13] <shadeslayer> nicklas_: then install with whatever package manager you need,or : sudo apt-get install packagename : in same terminal
[13:13] <nicklas_> shadeslayer: you know how it works in ubuntu right? with add/remove packages?
[13:13] <nicklas_> shadeslayer: like that
[13:14] <shadeslayer> nicklas_: oh... no idea then...
[13:14] <nicklas_> shadeslayer: or the software center works too, but dont wanna install gnome-desktop :-P
[13:14] <shadeslayer> hehe...
[13:14] <nicklas_> shadeslayer: wonder if i can build a gui
[13:14] <nicklas_> dont know how to program or anything
[13:14] <shadeslayer> nicklas_: sure kubuntu needs alot of love :)
[13:15] <shadeslayer> gtg...
[13:38] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[14:16] <mtltemplar> anyone in here dealt with ati hd cards on 9.1 64bit and trying to setup two X server sessions instead of cloning or xinerama?
[14:21] <a2f> for some reason i can't join the regular ubuntu channel but could someone please help me? there's a major problem with one of the packages in ubuntu: fast-user-switch-applet... it doesn't seem to exist :( and because of that, i can't install gnome-desktop-environment in aptitude
[14:21] <Guest70546> how do I disable gui login in favor of console login? on 9.10?
[14:23] <Guest70546> hmmm, seems awful quiet in here ...
[14:25] <mtltemplar> yep. ppl are just waking up still i think
[14:27] <alexander> i read in various sites that in order to update my bios i have to copy the update file on 3.5''disk. my pc doesnt have such a port. is the cd a way to deal with such a problem?
[14:27] <genii> Guest70546: You'd normally have an ubuntu-server install for a box set up in that way. But you can remove gdm/kdm/xdm and it's corresponding x/k/ubuntu-desktop package, with ubuntu-minimal
[14:28] <Guest70546> I just want to test my new xorg.conf, I'll be switching the kdm back on later
[14:28] <genii> alexander: Most cd-burning programs have an option to use a boot-floppy image as a boot image for a bootable CD
[14:30] <genii> Guest70546: Then you can use update-rc.d command on kdm to disable it properly for now, then use it again after to re-enable it. Maybe check it's manpage
[14:30] <Guest70546> yeah, I can use my Kubuntu live cd but it's a long path and a big hassle
[14:30] <Guest70546> update-rc.d, hey I'm on it
[14:31] <apparle> hi guys
[14:38] <dihae> hello
[14:38] <genii> !hi
[14:39] <dihae> on the kubuntu ninjas packaging status page, the kdebindings status is 'FTBS'. what does this mean?
[14:40] <Pici> dihae: Failed To Build from Source
[14:40] <dihae> aha, i thought it meant 'f*ck this bullsh*t' ^^
[14:41] <dihae> Pici: what does this mean for running kde without this package?
[14:41] <Pici> dihae: Er, no.  (And please mind the language in the future)
[14:42] <Pici> dihae: I don't know, I'm not sure what role that package plays in KDE.
[14:43] <dihae> Pici: it was the only acronym explenation i found on the net, so I was kind enough to place *'s
[14:45] <dihae> Pici: I just looked it up: it seems that it isn't a very crucial package, as it is not installed on my system, which is a plain kubuntu 9.10 install
[14:45] <dihae> I think it is more a development package
[14:45] <mario__> good for all
[14:45] <Pici> !info kdebindings
[14:45] <dihae> !info kdebindings-kde4
[14:46] <mario__> wath manager packages in kubuntu 9.10
[14:48] <genii> mario__: kpackagekit
[14:50] <mario__> thanks <genii>
[14:50] <nicklas_> hello, i have installed gnome-app-install, and i select the games i want, it downloads the packages, but then just stands still when installing the packages, is this fixable? is there a command i can type in konsole too install the downloaded packages?
[14:53] <genii> nicklas_: You can try: sudo apt-get install -f
[14:53] <nicklas_> genii: what will that do?
[14:54] <nicklas_> genii: dont i have to specify a package name?
[14:54] <genii> nicklas_: Will try to fix/install anything which is still pending
[14:54] <genii> nicklas_: Correct, no packagename
[14:54] <nicklas_> nothing, hm
[14:56] <mario__> I am newbee in kubuntu 9.110
[14:58] <mario__> and user IRC (Quassel IRC)
[14:58] <mario__> and new user IRC (Quassel IRC)
[15:00] <snarkster> anybody in here talking?
[15:01] <snarkster> i would like to know why kpackagekit wont find clamav but when i do apt-cache search clamav I find all sorts of stuff
[15:03] <snarkster> guess no answer eh?
[15:05] <jimmy> hi, someone use ppa staging for kde4.4 beta1?
[15:06] <stefan__> jimmy: its not supposed to be used by anyone as far as i know
[15:07] <jimmy> I've read on ubuntuforums.org someone talking about
[15:08] <genii> snarkster: Likely because the KDE clamav frontend is KlamAV
[15:08] <snarkster> yah I see that but I did a search by description as well.. nothing came up but kmail
[15:09] <snarkster> so packagekit wont find gnome software at all?
[15:09] <snarkster> if klamav and clamav are in the repo shouldnt it have brought it up as well?
[15:10] <jimmy> kpackagekit find klamav here
[15:10] <genii> snarkster: Not sure about it not finding gnome stuff to install. But if there's some preferred KDE version or interface it will usually list th packagenames that those go by
[15:11] <snarkster> just did a search by filename for klamav and it brought up app-install-data
[15:11] <mtltemplar> anyone in here dealt with ati hd cards on 9.1 64bit and trying to setup two X server sessions instead of cloning or xinerama?
[15:12] <n3llyb0y> hello. I'm using Kubuntu Karmic latest updates and I am experiencing random logouts (xorg/nvidia crash maybe?) Anyone else experiencing this?
[15:12] <snarkster> ok searching by description brought up klamav
[15:13] <genii> !info klamav
[15:13] <mario__> howto install one package in kpackagekit???
[15:14] <snarkster> my question wasnt regarding klamav its just the example.. my question was regarding kpackagekit.. Thought there might have been a bug or something
[15:16] <jimmy> mario__: you have to select it clicking on the arrow right the name
[15:28] <apparle> hi guys
[15:28] <snarkster> hello
[15:29] <apparle> how do I change folder permissions including all the files in it
[15:29] <ghostcube> chmod -R folder
[15:29] <ghostcube> -R is recursiv
[15:29] <snarkster> sudo chmod -R folder
[15:30] <snarkster> oh sorry.
[15:30] <ghostcube> or this way #:)
[15:30] <ghostcube> nah its improtant if sudo needed :)
[15:31] <snarkster> well there are the variable to consider.. rw that sort of thing
[15:32] <apparle> apparle@CONSOLE:/media/MULTIMEDIA$ chmod -R Music/ chmod: missing operand after `Music/'
[15:33] <apparle> what to do
[15:35] <snarkster> chmod -R Music +r+w for read write
[15:35] <apparle> ah.....
[15:36] <snarkster> or right click properties on the folder and use the GUI
[15:37] <user_> Hi Does any one know how to connect to freenode server?
[15:38] <genii> user_: Apparently you are connected right now
[15:38] <snarkster> good question.
[15:39] <jason__> whats up guys
[15:40] <snarkster> sosdd and you?
[15:40] <jason__> got a question about my wifi on kubuntu 9.04 - does it take a while for the signal meter to "refresh"?
[15:40] <jason__> cause I was downstairs in the basement where theres zero wifi and it still said 100%
[15:41] <jason__> I also have 2 signal meters in my network manager - one with my IP next to it, one with my SSID next to it - which one is my true signal meter? Both currently are 100%...
[15:41] <apparle> snarkster: And what command should I use to make a file only writable by su
[15:41] <snarkster> did you continue to be able to surf the web or talk in irc?
[15:41] <jason__> snarkster - I did not try, to be honest. I just saw no signal and thought ahh that's it, no signal
[15:41] <snarkster> 100% and no signal
[15:41] <jason__> snarkster - this is my work wifi (Im in the tech dept) and Im in a school with very old, lead walls. Signal is hard to pass through walls here.
[15:42] <jason__> snarkster - well, I have 2 meters though
[15:42] <jason__> snarkster - which one is mine?
[15:42] <snarkster> the one with no signal is yours.
[15:42] <snarkster> apparle: change the ower to root
[15:44] <apparle> snarkster: thanks
[15:45] <snarkster> apparle: NP DUDE
[15:45] <apparle> Guys I am facing another problem... I am unable to see the widgets which I download from internet... although in the download widget dialogs they appear as installed
[15:45] <snarkster> jason__: my question is if you have no signal how are you in here talking with us?
[15:48] <apparle> And how to get the neopmunk search working
[15:49] <snarkster> good question.
[16:04] <jason__> snarkster - I have signal now - I didnt before when I was in the basement. I'm upstairs now. :)
[16:04] <jason__> sorry about the delayed response
[16:05] <Dindon> Hello folks !
[16:05] <Dindon> I'm trying to use pxe/deployment with preseed
[16:06] <Dindon> I'm actualy not seing any hit on apache to get the preseed file (and ofc it's not working)
[16:06] <Dindon> I use as append options -> append ramdisk_size=14984 rw auto vga=normal initrd=ubuntu-installer/i386/initrd.gz preseed/locale=fr_FR kdb-chooser/method=fr netcfg/wireless_wep= netcfg/choose_interface=eth0 console-setup/layoutcode=fr_FR preseed/url=http://pxe.zeus.fr/kubuntu.cfg --
[16:06] <Dindon> Any help would be appreciated :)
[16:07] <apparle> And how to get the neopmunk search working
[16:07] <genii> Dindon:  The dhcp server is giving client pxe box a valid route to internet to find that FQDN?
[16:07] <Dindon> genii: yes as a dns server
[16:08] <binarylooks> apparle: did u check in the system settings advance tab?
[16:08] <Dindon> genii: option domain-name-servers and option routers are sets
[16:08] <apparle> binarylooks: that doesn't work.... I enabled the strigi service also
[16:09] <binarylooks> can u describe WHAT doesn'nt work?
[16:09] <binarylooks> for example, can u change tags in dolphin?
[16:10] <Morydd> is there any good reason not to remove apport?
[16:10] <binarylooks> Morydd: I think in lucid dr konqui will be used instead of apport
[16:10] <apparle> binarylooks: I didn't check that.... but searching doesn't work and after..... about an hour RAM usage goes up by about 400MB..
[16:11] <apparle> binarylooks: I mean searching in krunner
[16:11] <binarylooks> for the moment maybe turn of strigi, nepomul is often enough already
[16:11] <dlong> Hello all
[16:11] <binarylooks> if i tag a picture with "holidays" and afterwards type "holildays" in krunner, the picures pop up
[16:11] <Morydd> All I know is that I'm constantly getting dialogs that pop up asking for my password from apport. Sometimes several in a row.
[16:11] <binarylooks> this is done by nepomuk, not strigi
[16:12] <genii> Dindon: So the dhcp server is routing traffic from the adapter which it is giving the clients IP on, to another adapter which is then connected to the internet?
[16:13] <Dindon> genii: no there is a dual wan router (wich is the gw)
[16:13] <Dindon> genii: only 1 interface on this box
[16:14] <genii> Dindon: The URL you gave cannot be resolved
[16:15] <Dindon> genii: I also tried to up a virtual interface with a dedicated ip
[16:15] <Dindon> Issue is the same
[16:15] <apparle> Guys I am facing another problem... I am unable to see the widgets which I download from internet... although in the download widget dialogs they appear as installed
[16:15] <binarylooks> apparle: KDESC 4.3?
[16:16] <apparle> binarylooks: yes
[16:16] <apparle> binarylooks: kubuntu 9.10
[16:16] <binarylooks> apparle: i remember having the same issue, some appeared after a restart, some never turned up.
[16:16] <binarylooks> can u give me an example so I can try on my box
[16:18] <genii> Dindon: eg: I can get to for instance http://zeus.fr/    but http://pxe.zeus.fr/  is nonexistent
[16:18] <Dindon> it's a lan domain genii
[16:18] <Dindon> only on our bind ;)
[16:19] <apparle> binarylooks: I have the plasmoid 'inUtileBar' installed (I get uninstall option in front of it in get new widgets) but it is not shown in add widgets list
[16:19] <genii> Dindon: I would suggest to use for the preseed location then the IP and not fully-qualified-domain-name
[16:19] <Dindon> Already did genii ;)
[16:20] <Dindon> Issue is exactly the same
[16:20] <binarylooks> apparle: did u get it from kde-look via the GHNS interface or did u download a file?
[16:20] <apparle> Someone plz suggest a way such that I'll be able to see the HDD temperature in a widget etc.
[16:21] <apparle> binarylooks: I installed it from get new widget directly.... didn't download the file.... what's the expansion of GHNS
[16:21] <genii> Dindon: Can you pastebin contents of the server's /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf  please
[16:22] <Dindon> ofc genii hold on
[16:22] <K350> I've indexed my M Audio Delta soundcard as 0 in alsa-base.conf. But I've to reload alsa after every boot to have it as primary soundcard. What to do about it?
[16:23] <Dindon> genii: http://pastebin.ca/1707066
[16:23] <binarylooks> binarylooks: hmmm. i cant find it. strange
[16:24] <binarylooks> anyway, i have to leave now. goog luck
[16:26] <genii> Dindon: Reading. Apologies on lag, work requires me often today
[16:26] <Dindon> genii: no problem thanks for helping !!!
[16:31] <genii> Dindon: I would suggest to change "routers" to the <IP_ADDRESS> instead of <IP_ADDRESS>, then it will look to the box it is on for the name/IP
[16:32] <jason__> snarkster - you still here bro
[16:32] <jason__> does anybody use kubuntu on a laptop wirelessly?
[16:33] <Kolia> jason__: not right now, but usually yep
[16:33] <jason__> kolia - do you use the standard network manager to connect to your networks?
[16:35] <Kolia> jason__: no, i use wicd
[16:35] <Kolia> i got some trouble with the default network manager
[16:35] <Kolia> in such case, it's usually recommanded to use wicd instead
[16:35] <jason__> kolia - what trouble did you have?
[16:36] <jason__> kolia - Im just having issues understanding what in the world is going on with my wireless signal. I have 2 signal bars, I dont know which one to look at for my signal, because they each act differently.
[16:39] <genii> Dindon: Work requires me. I suggest to check out https://wiki.koeln.ccc.de/index.php/Ubuntu_PXE_Install  which helped me greatly when I set up my own PXE server here
[16:39] <Kolia> jason__: that kind of problem :)
[16:40] <Kolia> jason__: and also not being able to connect with a WEP ascii (i believe)
[16:40] <Kolia> anyway, i saved me a lot of trouble by switching to wicd
[16:40] <jason__> kolia - oh, nice. I heard good and bad things about WICD. You havent had any trouble with it though?
[16:40] <Kolia> jason__: never.
[16:40] <jason__> kolia - do you just grab it from add/remove programs?
[16:41] <Kolia> jason__: i usually do a   sudo apt-get install wicd
[16:41] <jason__> I'm updating right now wirelessly so I cant pick anything up in add/remove programs
[16:41] <jason__> ah okay
[16:41] <jason__> I heard good things about wicd tho - I wonder why its not the default (built in) wifi manager
[16:41] <Kolia> also when installing wicd it says it will remove the network manager: don't worry it's normal
[16:41] <jason__> I heard people in the ubuntu chat on the gnome side saying the same thing
[16:41] <jason__> kolia - so just in case things backfire, I can just plug in ethernet and do an apt-get install network-manager and be back to where I was?
[16:42] <Kolia> jason__: can't confirm this sorry
[16:42] <jason__> great - all of the sudden I cant see any windows shares on kubuntu
[16:42] <jason__> (not related to wicd)
[16:42] <Kolia> (yep)
[16:42] <jason__> just noticed it and decided to rant :P
[16:43] <jason__> unable to find any workgroups on your network. May be related to a firewall.
[16:43] <jason__> I was connected two and a half minutes ago, and now samba gives me the finger
[16:43] <jason__> grrr
[16:44] <snarkster> samba is way to complicated
[16:44] <snarkster> dont get me wrong its great, just overly complicated.
[16:44] <jason__> what do you mean, too complicated? In terms of using it, or the way its designed?
[16:45] <snarkster> nfs is easy compared to samba
[16:45] <mtltemplar> anyone in here dealt with ati hd cards on 9.1 64bit and trying to setup two X server sessions instead of cloning or xinerama?
[16:45] <jason__> nfs is also linux only - isnt it?
[16:45] <jason__> cause Im on a windows network here at work
[16:45] <snarkster> yes
[16:45] <jason__> so Im kinda, screwed
[16:45] <jason__> I should set up nfs at home
[16:45] <jason__> can I have nfs and samba run in parallel together?
[16:46] <jason__> cause I have windows/mac's at home too that still need to hit my server
[16:46] <snarkster> i was just commenting on how difficult samba is to configure compared to nfs
[16:46] <apparle> where is DCOP?
[16:47] <Vroomfondle> erm, I think you can use Windows Services For UNIX to access NFS
[16:47] <apparle> I mean I used that command in Kubuntu 7.10 but now I get command not found
[16:48] <maco> apparle: its not installed by default...
[16:48] <apparle> The widgets which I install from internet are not displayed in the list.. what to do
[16:48] <apparle> maco: how to install it... and why is it not installed by default
[16:49] <jason__> Vroomfondle - no kidding?
[16:49] <Vroomfondle> jason__: so I hear
[16:49] <jason__> Vroomfondle - if Windows services/nfs works better than samba, we have a winner.
[16:49] <maco> er......hm wait....nevermind. i dont know
[16:49] <jason__> have you heard anything about macs tho?
[16:49] <maco> i had no idea the command existed before. but i was just mentally mixing up ipcop and dcop
[16:49] <Vroomfondle> I imagine macs can access NFS.... surely they must be able to. MacOS is Unix-based.
[16:50] <maco> Vroomfondle: yes they can
[16:50] <apparle> binarylooks are you there?
[16:50] <mtltemplar> yes macs can
[16:50] <snarkster> macs are easy with nfs
[16:52] <apparle> The widgets which I install from internet are not displayed in the list.. what to do?
[16:55] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[16:58] <Jayce> kolia you still here bro
[16:58] <apparle> I have a very slow boot up ... in karmic ... why is it so
[16:58] <Jayce> how do I enable security support on wicd? Every time I try to connect to my WPA2 network it says I need to enable security - uh, what?
[16:59] <apparle> I have one IDE with (XP,Win7,Kubuntu) and SATA with all data............ getting very slow boot up..
[17:04] <apparle> The widgets which I install from internet are not displayed in the list.. what to do?
[17:05] <Guest20541> hello, anybody here with an intel i845GE videochipset? I have bad  performance in X. OS is kubuntu karmic
[17:08] <Dindon> genii: thanks anyway I'm off
[17:08] <Dindon> bye
[17:09] <anyone> guest20541... I have intel 845...something.. i will check
[17:11] <anyone> guest20541... sorry 845 chipset but radeon graphics. sorry
[17:19] <mauri> I need a kde tool for partition backup
[17:19] <mauri> I dont know which could be the right one
[17:36] <milo_> please who can help me with my wireless? since i upgraded to ubunutu 9.10, it's not working properly :(
[17:42] <ct529> hi everybody .... where is the history of the visited sites in the new konqueror???? i do not appear to be able to find it anymore!
[17:43] <zorael> Any decent alternatives to gwenview? It's practically unusable in large directories. The browse function starts generating thumbsnails and the app becomes unresponsive.
[17:45] <rork> ct529: go > show history in the menubar
[17:47] <judgen> where does kde3 store the information on what window manager to use?
[17:48] <judgen> I wish to use kwin from kde4 but still run kde3 (i have both installed) where do i go about changeing that?
[17:51] <tsimpson> judgen: you should be able to set that with system settings (from KDE3) or kcontrol
[17:53] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[18:09] <thereevis26> i got a question about resetting my user password
[18:10] <thereevis26> anybody know how to do it with or without a cd?
[18:11] <mofux> any news about 4.4 beta 1 packages?
[18:11] <tsimpson> thereevis26: you'd need to be able to access an account with sudo privileges or root
[18:11] <tsimpson> mofux: not yet
[18:11] <mofux> :'(
[18:11] <tsimpson> thereevis26: or just boot into recovery mode
[18:12] <thereevis26> i did that
[18:12] <thereevis26> all i could reset was the root password but not the user
[18:12] <tsimpson> you need to put your username after "passwd"
[18:13] <thereevis26> oh i c
[18:13] <tsimpson> so like "passwd myuser"
[18:13] <thereevis26> gotcha
[18:13] <thereevis26> thanks alot
[18:13] <tsimpson> no problem
[18:13] <thereevis26> so just passwd is the root and passwd myuser is the actual user
[18:13] <tsimpson> passwd just defaults to whatever use us running the command
[18:14] <Galvatron> HI
[18:14] <tsimpson> *user is
[18:14] <Galvatron> After an update my kubuntu 9.04 stopped detecting my printer HP Deskjest 3420
[18:15] <thereevis26> oh so if there is no user i won't reset that user automatically
[18:15] <thereevis26> makes more sense
[18:15] <tsimpson> if you run the command as root, but don't specify the user, it sets the password for root
[18:16] <thereevis26> i am starting to learn more about this system as time goes
[18:16] <Galvatron> If I try to print anything in OO.org Writer, the only printer is "Generic", I can't set printing quality and when I hit "Print", I get "Error while printing" and thats all.
[18:16] <thereevis26> i will be back later to let you know if i am successful or not
[18:18] <Galvatron> Thats what I get after trying to install drivers from HP page manually: http://paste.ubuntu.com/337458/
[18:18] <Galvatron> Of course CUPS is running
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[18:30] <doktoreas> hello folks
[18:31] <doktoreas> anyone using facebook plugin for kopete?
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[18:32] <eagles0513875> wooohoo google chrome is available on linux
[18:36] <n16h7f0x> can anybody help me install & config ati radeon hd  3430 driver on kubuntu 9.10?
[18:38] <nookie^> !ati
[18:41] <n16h7f0x> nookie^, but instructions only for jaunty and lower and not compatible iwth karmic
[18:44] <apparle> n16h7f0x: just do this
[18:44] <apparle> n16h7f0x: 'sudo apt-get update
[18:45] <apparle> n16h7f0x: 'sudo apt-get update'
[18:45] <n16h7f0x> ....
[18:45] <apparle> n16h7f0x: then goto hardware drivers and enable the proprietary driver
[18:46] <n16h7f0x> apparle, did that but that driver is buggy doesn't work fine
[18:46] <n16h7f0x> i have to stay 3-4 seconds till yakuake pop down (and before that worked instantly)
[18:46] <n16h7f0x> and other bugs 2
[18:46] <genii> n16h7f0x: The http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Karmic_Installation_Guide  page says to use the Jaunty guide, at: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Jaunty_Installation_Guide
[18:47] <genii> n16h7f0x: (this is the support wiki which official AMD/ATI points to)
[18:47] <n16h7f0x> genii, folowed that guide to
[18:47] <n16h7f0x> but still have that bugs
[19:09] <Galvatron> Hi
[19:10] <Galvatron> Sorry for aking the same thing again, but I had some problems with Opera and got disconnected
[19:11] <Galvatron> After an update (probably X) my Kubuntu 9.04 stopped detecting my HP Deskjest 3420.
[19:11] <Galvatron> In OO.org Writer I have only "Generic printer" with no advenced options.
[19:12] <Galvatron> CUPS is running and I already installed HPLIP anually
[19:14] <Galvatron> *manually
[19:40] <m_tadeu> hi all...why does vlc get the webcam image upside down....this is not happening in kopete or skype
[19:41] <ticcet> hello
[19:41] <ct529> plasma,xorg and kwin take up a lot of memory .... is there a way to control them?
[19:42] <Tm_T> ct529: what is "a lot" and how you measure it?
[19:42] <ct529> Tm_T: I use top, and a lot is 3.9 GB over 8GB
[19:43] <Tm_T> ct529: which column you're looking at?
[19:43] <ct529> Tm_T: (that is for all the processes that run by default, of course using Pareto I want to limit the first 20%)
[19:43] <pilat> what does it mean if "Request authorization" option is disabled for certain contact (ICQ)?
[19:43] <ct529> Tm_T: I am looking at the occupation
[19:43] <pilat> regards, btw )
[19:44] <Tm_T> ct529: you should look at "res"
[19:46] <pilat> anyone use kopete for chatting with ICQ-addicted mates?
[19:46] <ct529> Tm_T: xorg ~ 400MB and plasma ~125MB
[19:46] <ct529> Tm_T: (res column)
[19:46] <p13rr3> Hi folks, anyone can help with a sound card problem?
[19:47] <ct529> p13rr3: whihc card?
[19:48] <r00t_ninja> ct529: wow your xorg is using quite alot of memory
[19:48] <p13rr3> Intel 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition
[19:48] <r00t_ninja> p13rr3: problem?
[19:48] <r00t_ninja> ct529: my xorg sits at ~25mb of ram
[19:49] <ct529> r00t_ninja: that is what I am saying .... I do not understand why
[19:49] <Tm_T> ct529: does that happen right after boot? or over time?
[19:50] <ct529> Tm_T: that is the memory occupation right through
[19:50] <ct529> r00t_ninja: that is what I imagine should look like
[19:51] <r00t_ninja> are you using any special drivers
[19:51] <r00t_ninja> ?
[19:51] <Tm_T> ct529: which KDE version that is? and what you have on your plasma, I assume it's not plain default
[19:51] <ct529> r00t_ninja: plasma at ~125MB is not bad either
[19:51] <r00t_ninja> plasma-desktop?
[19:51] <ct529> r00t_ninja: I am using NVIDIA driver, last version
[19:51] <p13rr3> I had audio but suddenly a message like "The devices HDA INTEL (STAC 92xx Digital/Analog) are not installed" and I lost audio.
[19:51] <ct529> kde 434
[19:52] <r00t_ninja> my plasma sits at ~34mb
[19:52] <ct529> Tm_T: four notes and the comic plasmoid?
[19:52] <ct529> r00t_ninja: yes, that is how it should be
[19:52] <Tm_T> ct529: ah, what happens if you don't have those?
[19:52] <pilat> seriously.. can't figure up one thing with the contacts authorization (ICQ@kopete)...
[19:53] <r00t_ninja> brb
[19:53] <ct529> Tm_T: nothing, it is the same
[19:54] <p13rr3> I tried a solution recommended in ubuntu. Adding options snd-hda-intel model=dell-m26 (that is my pc model) forums (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=616845&page=2), but It did not work.
[19:55] <ct529> Tm_T: by cosing absolutely everything I got to 109MB for plasma, no change for Xorg
[19:55] <p13rr3> root_ninja is gone :( He was helping me.
[19:55] <ct529> Tm_T: s/cosing/closing
[19:55] <r00t_ninja> the process nepomukservicestub seems to leak memory
[19:56] <Tm_T> ct529: hmh, I suspect that comic plasmoid has something weird going on atleast
[19:56] <r00t_ninja> after a day its chewing up 290mb
[19:56] <p13rr3> r00t_ninja:  I had audio but suddenly a message like "The devices HDA INTEL (STAC 92xx Digital/Analog) are not installed" and I lost audio.
[19:56] <r00t_ninja> go into system settings
[19:56] <r00t_ninja> and then multimedia settings
[19:58] <bfoote> hi all, just upgraded to 9.10 from 9.04, now I got no panel, any hints?
[19:58] <p13rr3> I am on Multimedia Settings right now. I have 1) HDA Intel (STAC92xx Analog), 2) HDA Intel (STAC92xx Analog) #1, 3) PulseAudio. 1 and 2 are disabled.
[20:00] <r00t_ninja> does 2 work?
[20:01] <p13rr3> No.
[20:02] <p13rr3> No HDA Intel device is working
[20:02] <ct529> Tm_T: well, it is not there anymore but the memory occupation is untouched
[20:02] <r00t_ninja> p13rr3: what backend are you using?
[20:02] <p13rr3> And I loose the HDA Intel (STAC92xx digital)
[20:02] <Tm_T> ct529: sounds weird, shame I'm out of ideas (and time)
[20:02] <Tm_T> ct529: but good luck (:
[20:03] <p13rr3> What is the back end? What command can show me the backend?
[20:03] <ct529> Tm_T: thanks all the same
[20:03] <r00t_ninja> in the multimedia settings click backend
[20:03] <r00t_ninja> next to device preferences
[20:04] <p13rr3> xine
[20:04] <r00t_ninja> ok
[20:04] <r00t_ninja> does switching it to  gstreamer help
[20:06] <cragdor> hi p13rr3, can you do me a favour load console and type:   speaker-test -c 2  this will atleast tell us if your card is working at all
[20:07] <cragdor> p13rr3, you will need to ctrl c to kill the test or it will repeat non stop
[20:07] <p13rr3> I only have xine as option.
[20:07] <r00t_ninja> oh ok then
[20:08] <cragdor> p13rr3, you should hear static played through both front speakers
[20:08] <p13rr3> I tried a solution recommended in ubuntu. Adding options snd-hda-intel model=dell-m26 on /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf (that is my pc model) forums, but It did not work.
[20:09] <Jayce> can anyone help me? I nuked KDE by trying to upgrade to 4.3.2 on jaunty. Now I cant even log in my system. :(
[20:09] <p13rr3> r00t_ninja: that was a message that I sent just before you disconnect.
[20:10] <r00t_ninja> i would suggest undoing that
[20:10] <cragdor> i agree
[20:10] <cragdor> what is listed when you type: cat /proc/asound/cards
[20:10] <simo_> hello every body
[20:10] <simo_> i wanna install skype in my kubuntu
[20:10] <r00t_ninja> then rebooting and making sure all the right channels are unmuted , yesterday for somereason my surround channel got muted and i had no sound
[20:11] <p13rr3> I did and restart the pc, but the problem continue.
[20:11] <simo_> but there not is this package
[20:11] <r00t_ninja> simo_: add the skype repository
[20:11] <simo_> how can i do it ?
[20:11] <r00t_ninja> open up kpackagekit
[20:12] <Jayce> anybody know how I can fix it? :(
[20:12] <simo_> yes
[20:12] <simo_> and ?
[20:12] <r00t_ninja> go into settings
[20:12] <simo_> there isnt there ?
[20:12] <r00t_ninja> yea there is
[20:12] <r00t_ninja> ill take a pic
[20:12] <simo_> in add and remove softeware ?
[20:13] <r00t_ninja> http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2365/plasmadesktopel1532.jpg
[20:13] <r00t_ninja> yes
[20:15] <r00t_ninja> p13rr3: have you gone into kmixer and checked that all channels are unmuted
[20:15] <simo_> im in setting now
[20:16] <simo_> what i have to do ?
[20:16] <r00t_ninja> ok go into software sources
[20:16] <r00t_ninja> edit software sources
[20:16] <simo_> yes
[20:16] <r00t_ninja> now go into the other software tab
[20:16] <r00t_ninja> and click add
[20:17] <simo_> then ?
[20:17] <r00t_ninja> copy and paste:
[20:17] <r00t_ninja> deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[20:17] <simo_> all of this ?
[20:17] <simo_> deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free
[20:17] <r00t_ninja> yes
[20:17] <p13rr3> r00t_ninja I identified a problem: I renamed the files alsa-base.conf as alsa-base.conf:1 to save the changes when a I revert the modification. I seems that alsa read this files.
[20:18] <r00t_ninja> ok
[20:18] <bfoote> can you please offer me advice on how to troubleshoot my panel not showing up on kde login?
[20:18] <simo_> then ?
[20:18] <islington> Are the kde 4.4 b1 packages coming? Would like to test
[20:18] <r00t_ninja> click ok
[20:18] <r00t_ninja> then close
[20:18] <r00t_ninja> bfoote: can you add another one
[20:18] <bfoote> I have no panel at all
[20:19] <p13rr3> r00t_ninja: I am gooing to restart. If I am not come back, I want to thank you. You have been very helpful.
[20:19] <r00t_ninja> np
[20:19] <bfoote> r00t_ninja: what are we calling them now?
[20:19] <r00t_ninja> panels
[20:19] <bfoote> r00t_ninja: maybe I mean kicker?
[20:19] <Jayce> anybody know if its possible to change the "K" icon in the kickstart launcher?
[20:19] <simo_> i dont have it installed yet ?
[20:19] <r00t_ninja> ^yes
[20:19] <bfoote> r00t_ninja: kicker isn't kicker anymore, is it?
[20:19] <islington> Jayce: right click
[20:20] <r00t_ninja> simo_: did it ask you to refresh your packages?
[20:20] <islington> Jayce: there will be an option in the settings
[20:20] <Jayce> oh, well geez
[20:20] <Jayce> that was easy
[20:20] <Jayce> thanks doods
[20:20] <islington> :)
[20:20] <Jayce> ahhh KDE, land of the logical :P
[20:20] <r00t_ninja> so you found it?
[20:20] <simo_> no
[20:20] <Jayce> me? root?
[20:20] <Jayce> oh nevermind
[20:20] <r00t_ninja> simo
[20:20] <simo_> yes
[20:21] <r00t_ninja> now go into software management
[20:21] <r00t_ninja> and search for skype
[20:21] <islington> bfoote: reset your plasma config
[20:21] <islington> bfoote: if you cant get it back
[20:21] <simo_> ok
[20:21] <bfoote> islington: is that in .kde4/share/config ?
[20:21] <Jayce> guys, why is KDE hating me.  Right now Im in console, I tried to re-add the PPA with nano, re-add the GPG key, and apt-get install KDE like the guide said, still failed
[20:22] <Jayce> btw kolia I'm loving WICD ;)
[20:22] <Kolia> hey :)
[20:23] <Kolia> Jayce: sudo apt-get update   first
[20:23] <simo_> know i find it, but a problem to install a packag
[20:23] <Jayce> kolia - I did :(
[20:23] <Jayce> kolia - wait...
[20:23] <Kolia> hum
[20:23] <r00t_ninja> simo_: problem?
[20:23] <simo_> A package dependency could not be found.
[20:23] <simo_> More information is available in the detailed report.
[20:23] <Jayce> add PPA, update, add GPG key, update, install kde?
[20:23] <Kolia> what did you try to install? kubuntu-desktop?
[20:23] <r00t_ninja> make sure you are updated
[20:23] <Jayce> the guide said apt-get install kde, so I went with that
[20:23] <Kolia> Jayce: i don't think there is a "kde" package
[20:23] <Kolia> huh?
[20:23] <r00t_ninja> go into software updates and click refresh simo_
[20:23] <Kolia> which guide?
[20:24] <simo_> ok
[20:24] <Jayce> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-install-kde-4-3-2-on-ubuntu-jaunty.htmlhttp://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-install-kde-4-3-2-on-ubuntu-jaunty.html
[20:24] <Jayce> oops, hit it twice
[20:24] <cragdor> Anyone know the location of this config in kubuntu karmic? <~/.config/kde.org/Phonon-Xine.xine.conf> its used by phonon
[20:24] <Jayce> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-install-kde-4-3-2-on-ubuntu-jaunty.html
[20:24] <FloodBotK1> Jayce: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:24] <simo_> Cannot get the exclusive lock on the packaging backend.
[20:24] <simo_> Please close any other legacy packaging tools that may be open.
[20:24] <Kolia> Jayce: one sec, reading
[20:25] <simo_> problem in update again
[20:25] <islington> bfoote: kquitapp plasma-desktop
[20:25] <islington> rm ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma*
[20:25] <islington> plasma
[20:25] <r00t_ninja> simo_: is there a package icon in your systray?
[20:25] <islington> *bfoote: plasma-desktop
[20:25] <simo_> systray, what is this ?
[20:26] <Kolia> Jayce: first time i hear about a 'kde' package
[20:26] <islington> simo_: next to the little 'i' icon
[20:26] <Jayce> *shrug*
[20:26] <Kolia> Jayce: usually when coming from ubuntu i use to install kubuntu-desktop
[20:26] <Jayce> Im in co nsole now
[20:26] <Jayce> Ill try kubuntu-desktop
[20:26] <r00t_ninja> where the clipboard and other icons are
[20:26] <Jayce> my only concern is, theres an older version of kubuntu-desktop in the repos. By apt-getting that, will I grab the PPA by default (aka the nwere version)?
[20:26] <islington> Are the kde 4.4 b1 packages coming? Would like to test
[20:27] <simo_> yes
[20:27] <simo_> is there
[20:27] <r00t_ninja> is there like a bok icon?
[20:27] <r00t_ninja> is there like a box icon?
[20:27] <simo_> yes
[20:27] <Jayce> kolia - just ran sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop in console, says its already the newest version. Ill try booting to the GUI again...
[20:27] <r00t_ninja> click on it
[20:27] <Kolia> Jayce: ok see you in a moment then
[20:28] <r00t_ninja> what are the options when you click on it - what is it doing?
[20:28] <Jayce> kolia - 2 computers bro :)
[20:28] <Jayce> kolia - I do have a meeting in 3 minutes tho, so I may have to bounce before this can be looked at more extensively
[20:28] <Kolia> Jayce: ok
[20:29] <simo_> when i click on it, he gave me a opcion to apply it
[20:29] <Jayce> kolia - errored out again
[20:29] <bfoote> islington: launches dialog "The application 'Plasma Workspace' reqested to open the wallet 'kdewalet'..... and prompts for password, and appears to crash
[20:29] <simo_> but when i click on apply
[20:29] <simo_> i find that problem
[20:29] <ddfire> hi everyone
[20:29] <Kolia> hum..
[20:29] <Jayce> we are sorry, a plasmna workspace closed unexpectedly, blah blah
[20:29] <r00t_ninja> simo_:  is that box gone now tho?
[20:29] <Jayce> I just installed kubuntu last night :(
[20:30] <Kolia> what happens now if you try to launch plasma-desktop ?
[20:30] <Jayce> Iv eupgraded to 4.3.2 on 3 machines so far without issues. Youd think Id get it by now :P
[20:30] <Jayce> how do I launch plasma-dekstop?
[20:30] <islington> bfoote: did you delete ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma* files?
[20:30] <Kolia> (just type   plasma-desktop in console)
[20:30] <simo_> any idea
[20:30] <Jayce> I'm stuck with nothing but the error on the screen - nothing else
[20:30] <Jayce> k lemme back out
[20:30] <r00t_ninja> simo_: now try refreshing
[20:30] <ddfire> i tried kubuntu live and my wifi works out of the box i installed it (in the same machine off cource) and it dosent work any ideas?
[20:31] <Jayce> kolia - Im cutting time short I gotta get to this meeting
[20:31] <bfoote> islington: no
[20:31] <Bsims>  I can't record any audio but the speakers work any ideas, I've fiddled with all teh settings I just get a hiss
[20:31] <Jayce> thanks bro for the help!
[20:31] <simo_> ok
[20:31] <bfoote> islington: should I?
[20:31] <Kolia> Jayce: no prob see you later maybe
[20:31] <islington> bfoote: yes, if you cant get any panel, or your plasma configuration is beyond repair
[20:31] <Bsims>  I even tried another audio port
[20:31] <r00t_ninja> ddfire: are you connected to the internet some other way on that machine?
[20:32] <islington> bfoote: ageter doing so log out and log back in
[20:32] <ddfire> r00t_ninja: yes, i put a wire when i notice there wasnt any way to put wifi to work....
[20:33] <islington> ddfire is the network manager not letting you connect? can you connect through a konsole?
[20:34] <ddfire> islington: iwlist dont work either
[20:34] <ddfire> islington: iwlist scan --> "wlan0     Failed to read scan data : Network is down"
[20:35] <r00t_ninja> ddfire: make sure you have any extra hardware drivers
[20:35] <ddfire> r00t_ninja: how?
[20:35] <islington> ddfire: I think its your router, that is down
[20:35] <islington> is wlan0 up?
[20:35] <ddfire> islington: i have other machines working wifi now using the same route
[20:35] <bfoote> islington: slightly better, though still with crash, the kickerpanel pops up for a second and then dies (at login)
[20:36] <ddfire> islington: i dont know :)
[20:36] <r00t_ninja> type sudo ifconfig wlan0 up
[20:36] <r00t_ninja> then try iwlist
[20:36] <ddfire> root@ddfirex4:/home/ddfire# ifconfig wlan0 up
[20:36] <ddfire> SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unknown error 132
[20:37] <r00t_ninja> make sure you have any restricted drivers installed
[20:37] <ddfire> r00t_ninja: how???
[20:37] <noaXess> have a problem in firefox and thunderbird, they won't use the default printer settings... they use another setting.. and on every ff or tb print i need to change the printer settings... any idea?
[20:37] <r00t_ninja> refresh your package list either by running sudo apt-get update or clicking refresh in kpackagekit
[20:37] <ddfire> r00t_ninja: done
[20:38] <r00t_ninja> ok go into applications -> system -> hardware drivers
[20:38] <r00t_ninja> and it should say searching for available drivers
[20:39] <islington> are you using the b43 driver?
[20:40] <ddfire> r00t_ninja: only show my ati video card driver
[20:40] <r00t_ninja> mmm
[20:41] <p1erre> r00_ninja: I am back again :(. But the problem is partially solved. HDA Intel (STAC92xx Analog) is enabled, but [....]Digital) is not.
[20:41] <r00t_ninja> ddfire: run the command "lspci | grep Wireless"
[20:41] <ddfire> r00t_ninja: output is: 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 5100 AGN [Shiloh] Network Connection
[20:41] <islington> bfoote: run "plasma-desktop" in the konsole, any errors>
[20:42] <r00t_ninja> p1erre: do you have sound though?
[20:42] <r00t_ninja> p1erre: digital will only work if your speakers are plugged into the digital port
[20:43] <bfoote> islington: a whole shit load of "QGraphicsGridLayout::itemAt: invalid index 1"
[20:43] <islington> ddfire: try this workaorund in this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/464559
[20:43] <jussi01> !language | bfoote
[20:43] <islington> bfoote: but did plasma crash again?
[20:43] <bfoote> islington: yes it did
[20:44] <p1erre> r00t_ninja: yes.
[20:44] <ddfire> islington: dont work same error
[20:45] <islington> bfoote: what are you using as your theme engine? oxygen?
[20:46] <p1erre> r00t_ninja: You recommend me other backend. Do you think that I should installed it and replace xine?
[20:46] <r00t_ninja> no
[20:46] <r00t_ninja> i was just curios as to whether it would work
[20:46] <r00t_ninja> i use xine
[20:47] <bfoote> islington: first error is... QDBusObjectPath: invalid Path ""
[20:47] <bfoote> islington: yes, oxygen
[20:47] <r00t_ninja> p1erre: are you absolutely sure all the channels are unmuted in kmix?
[20:48] <islington> bfoote post the output on pastebin
[20:48] <bfoote> islington: and.. Invalid D-Bus interface name 'org.kde.plasma-desktop.PlasmaApp' found while parsing introspection
[20:48] <ddfire> why i used wifi with live cd and now wifi is death?
[20:48] <p1erre> Yes they are.
[20:49] <r00t_ninja> ok so is the analog mixer working?
[20:49] <r00t_ninja> and not the digital
[20:49] <p1erre> r00t_ninja: I belive it is working. Right now It is on Kmixer It is on Master Channel.
[20:50] <r00t_ninja> ok
[20:50] <r00t_ninja> make sure pcm is turned up aswell
[20:50] <ddfire> r00t_ninja islington: i found the problem, please dont kick me tooo hard, the wifi was off :D
[20:50] <r00t_ninja> ddfire: lol
[20:51] <ddfire> switching to wifi
[20:51] <p1erre> r00t_ninja: PCM is on its maximum, But in the pop up 'Select Master Channel' Master is selected.
[20:52] <p1erre> r00t_ninja: Is that right?
[20:52] <r00t_ninja> slow noris dos?yes
[20:52] <r00t_ninja> yes
[20:53] <p1erre> r00t_ninja: Ok. I can live with the analog device... Thanks for everithing.
[20:53] <r00t_ninja> wait
[20:53] <islington> ddfire: flad you are wirefree!
[20:53] <p1erre> I am here..
[20:53] <r00t_ninja> you know the digital device wont work if your speakers arny plugged into it
[20:53] <r00t_ninja> i think it would be the orage port
[20:54] <p1erre> r00t_ninja: wait a moment... I am on a Laptop. I am using the built-in speakers.
[20:55] <r00t_ninja> oh
[20:56] <noaXess> my apps wont use the default printer settings that are defined for my printer in cups.. any idea? bug?
[20:58] <noaXess> eg. if i try print from okular then i need always set the right printer settings..
[21:01] <bfoote> islington: http://paste.ubuntu.com/337563/
[21:02] <islington> bfoote: gimme a sec
[21:07] <islington> bfoote: open a konsole
[21:08] <islington> kquitapp plasma-desktop; rm $KDEHOME/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc; plasma-desktop
[21:08] <islington> KDEHOME is /home/user/.kde
[21:09] <bfoote> islington: not .kde4 ?
[21:09] <islington> no
[21:10] <bfoote> islington: http://paste.ubuntu.com/337565/
[21:10] <bfoote> islington: still crash
[21:11] <islington> bfoot run them one at a time
[21:11] <islington> so first kquitapp plasma-desktop
[21:13] <bfoote> islington: http://paste.ubuntu.com/337567/
[21:13] <bfoote> islington: same
[21:14] <noaXess> somone has also problem with the default printer settings?
[21:15] <r00t_ninja> not me
[21:21] <islington> bfoote: I honestly have no idea. I must admit defeat.
[21:22] <prefrontal> the Kubuntu website contains no clear path to the network upgrade instructions
[21:22] <prefrontal> furthermore there is no clear path to the 9.04 jaunty images
[21:22] <prefrontal> the kubuntu website is pretty but poorly designed in terms of navigation.
[21:23] <Ranarama> Well, it's Linux
[21:23] <bfoote> islington: well thanks for your help
[21:24] <prefrontal> hardy, intrepid jaunty and karmic are all supported. therefore the download page on the kubuntu website should contain a drop down that allows you to easily download those images
[21:24] <prefrontal> who do I send these complaints to.
[21:24] <Jayce> kolia you here bro
[21:24] <Jayce> anybody try updating their 9.04 install of kubuntu to KDE 4.3.2? Mine backfired in my face. :( cant get into the gui at all now
[21:24] <jussi01> !bug | prefrontal
[21:25] <prefrontal> that command is obviously not relevant to my queries
[21:26] <noaXess> prefrontal: whats really your problem?
[21:26] <jussi01> prefrontal: absolutely it is. you need to file a bug about the kubuntu website
[21:26] <noaXess> yes..
[21:27] <noaXess> prefrontal: sudo apt-get install update-manager-core && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade...
[21:28] <noaXess> prefrontal: after all the: sudo do-release-upgrade
[21:28] <prefrontal> but thanks for the attempt
[21:28] <prefrontal> if you know of a method that will direct me to the person who actually designs the website, then you might be in a position to provide me assistance
[21:30] <prefrontal> noAxESS, the Ubuntu website contains those instructions, and I have already upgraded my primary workstation
[21:30] <prefrontal> however, I now need to install jaunty in a virtual machine
[21:30] <prefrontal> the Kubuntu website is absolutely useless for both of these endeavors
[21:30] <jussi01> prefrontal: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/
[21:31] <prefrontal> thanks
[21:31] <jussi01> as I mentioned, you need to file a bug against the kubuntu website
[21:31] <noaXess> prefrontal: so, thats why we are here in this channel,,, to help... and direct you to the right place..
[21:31] <jussi01> prefrontal: theres a file a bug button on the top right
[21:32] <noaXess> prefrontal: just register on launchpad an file a bug, so it will be directed to the kubuntu website team..
[21:32] <noaXess> hey jussi01.. good evening :)
[21:32] <jussi01> hi noaXess
[21:32] <Jayce> GAHHHHH!!! How can I get KDE running on my laptop again? I upgraded to 4.3.2 on jaunty and it blew up in my face. Now I cant even log in.
[21:32] <noaXess> any idea, why my apps won't get the default printer settings from cups?
[21:33] <Ranarama> I'm trying to add a widget, instead I get a grey box that says "Desktop  Desktop" with a slider in it, why can't I just add a widget?
[21:33] <jussi01> Jayce: can you get to a cli login?
[21:33] <Jayce> I can get to console, yes
[21:33] <r00t_ninja> Ranarama: so you right click on your desktop and go add widget?
[21:33] <Jayce> its when I log in to the KDE screen that it backfires
[21:34] <r00t_ninja> Jayce: have you tried deleting your old kde configuration
[21:34] <r00t_ninja> and what are the errors
[21:34] <noaXess> Jayce: or renamit first ;)
[21:34] <Jayce> how do I do that? apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop?
[21:34] <noaXess> no
[21:34] <r00t_ninja> no
[21:34] <Jayce> the error is something like a plasma widget failed to initialize, then I hit close and nothing else happens
[21:35] <Jayce> k Im in console guys - what should I run?
[21:35] <prefrontal> here is my bug. thanks. https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/+bug/494214
[21:35] <prefrontal> where can I get the 9.04 image?
[21:35] <r00t_ninja> mv ~/.kde ~/kde.bak
[21:36] <rohdef> how do I make KDE stop mirroring my display on my monitors? The option seems to be unavailable in System Settings->Display->Multiple monitors, where I would have expected to find it
[21:36] <Jayce> r00t_ninja - what do I do after that?
[21:36] <genii> prefrontal: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/9.04/release/
[21:37] <r00t_ninja> try logging in
[21:37] <prefrontal> genii, thanks
[21:37] <r00t_ninja> rohdef: any special drivers?
[21:37] <Ranarama> r00t_ninja: Think I figured it out now, thought I just had to click the star and then "add widget", seems I had activity bar highlighted and added a bunch of those :P
[21:37] <genii> prefrontal: All available releases can found from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/
[21:37] <r00t_ninja> Ranarama: ok
[21:37] <rohdef> r00t_ninja, some Intel onboard card
[21:37] <rohdef> r00t_ninja, but nu, just default drivers
[21:38] <r00t_ninja> i dont have multiple monitors but you cant find it under the multiple monitors section in display?
[21:38] <noaXess> any app, kde and other apps, whant print with default cups printer settings.. any hint?
[21:38] <r00t_ninja> noaXess: try changing the kde printer settings
[21:38] <Orion777> ever since I upgraded to kde 4.3.4 it won't remember my wallpaper or video card settings.whats up with that?
[21:39] <bfoote> okay, I got it to work by mv .kde and then 'service kdm restart' *shrug*
[21:39] <rohdef> r00t_ninja, nopes I can't :( it worked under Ubuntu though, but I can't stand that horrible Gnome :p
[21:39] <Jayce> r00t_ninja - so I just move the file to kde.bak and reboot? Log in again? Or what?
[21:39] <r00t_ninja> Jayce: yes
[21:39] <noaXess> r00t_ninja: in systemsettings i can't change anything.. need do it with cups web interface.. and there are the right settings..
[21:40] <Jayce> r00t_ninja - still crashed
[21:40] <Jayce> GAHHHHHHHHHHDA"FKS'
[21:40] <rohdef> could it be that xinerama isn't installed :S
[21:40] <cragdor> Wohoo, Multihead, desktop effects and screen order working with nvidia worki
[21:40] <r00t_ninja> sounds like a bad upgrade jayce
[21:40] <Jayce> I just installed Kubuntu last night. I dont want to have to redo it... already :(
[21:41] <Jayce> r00t_ninja - sounds like some people have some bad "Upgrade to KDE 4.3.2" guides on the internet then
[21:41] <Jayce> followed that damn thing to a T and it still gave me this problem
[21:41] <Orion777> root'ninja: why does upgrading to 4.3.4 remove wallpaper and video card settings?
[21:41] <r00t_ninja> Orion777: im not sure
[21:41] <r00t_ninja> are you using jaunty?
[21:42] <Orion777> not that I know of
[21:43] <noaXess> how can i cahnge the defaut printer settings over kde? need i install system-config-printer-kde?
[21:44] <Orion777> basically I have to type kdesudo nvidia-settings every time I boot up
[21:44] <r00t_ninja> Orion777:  are you saving to xorg?