[00:00] <apachelogger> Nightrose: :S
[00:00] <apachelogger> Nightrose: may I dress up like a leather daddy?
[00:00]  * apachelogger always wanted to do that
[00:00] <Nightrose> sure ;-)
[00:00] <Nightrose> I am fine witht that
[00:01] <Nightrose> as long as we stick to the topic of kde multimedia ;-)
[00:01] <Nightrose> (or at least try to)
[00:01] <apachelogger> hooray
[00:01] <apachelogger> true
[00:01]  * apachelogger reminds Nightrose that amarok is not part of kdemultimedia
[00:01] <Nightrose> oO
[00:02]  * Nightrose wonders i apachelogger drank a captain or two today
[00:02] <Nightrose> *if
[00:02] <apachelogger> Oo
[00:02] <apachelogger> no
[00:02] <apachelogger> just tonic water for me
[00:02] <apachelogger> but I had to clean up our barkeeper's windows
[00:02] <Nightrose> Oo
[00:03] <Jucato> Tonio_: new nicklist theme for konvi available now. Oxygen ones
[00:09] <nixternal> http://tech.msn.com/news/articlepcw.aspx?cp-documentid=6485783
[00:10] <nixternal> ^^ that's a cool article...jealous of them kids...smart people
[00:10] <Jucato> right... now I'll go sulk in a corner...
[00:11]  * Jucato enters into depression/self-pity/insecurity mode again...
[00:13]  * Nightrose safes Jucato with some kookies
[00:13] <Nightrose> saves even
[00:14] <Jucato> oooh kookies!!
[00:14] <Nightrose> ;-)
[00:15]  * n8k99 hands Jucato a glass of Kmilk
[00:15] <Jucato> milK
[00:15] <Jucato> lots of laKtose
[00:40] <uga> Jucato: how about a new konvi4 first =)
[03:11] <ScottK2> nixternal: When it's worth supporting, absolutely.
[03:22] <nixternal> had to scroll up to see what exactly you were talking about, and then I remembered LP :p
[03:57] <nixternal> apachelogger, jpatrick, and any other MOTU member, or future MOTU member, we have a meeting in a couple of minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[03:57] <Jucato> go go go MOTU!!
[03:58]  * Jucato proclaims himself to be a master of one multiverse...
[03:58] <Jucato> I see somerville is now a MOTU :D
[03:58] <nixternal> yup
[04:47] <nixternal> anyone by chance have a link to a webpage that details the share of the DEs out there?
[04:47] <nixternal> I have heard the 65% rule for KDE before, but would like to have some backup to it
[06:25] <kiefer08> can any point me in the direction of a good tutorial/ebook on python GUI using qt4 designer?
[06:27] <Jucato> hmm iirc Riddell did a very simple talk about that...
[06:31] <Jucato> kiefer08: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay/PyKDE and http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyQt and http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyQt4 has lots of links
[06:41] <Serega> morning
[06:41] <kiefer08> Jucato: cheers (sorry i was talking to teh family :p) I'll be sure to take a look
[06:41] <Jucato> :D
[06:42] <Serega> guys, I can't find that wiki page where to add myself as an membership candidate. please point me :)
[06:43] <Jucato> Serega: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[06:44] <Serega> Jucato: but there is "Wednesday March 19, 2008 at 23:00 UTC"
[06:44] <Jucato> the date changes, depending on the next meeting. but that's the main "Agenda" page
[06:46] <Serega> Jucato: very strange. empty candidate list, but couple of days ago there was two entries. maybe I'm too late?
[06:46] <Jucato> you sure it was for the Kubuntu meeting and the Ubuntu Community Council one?
[06:47] <Jucato> or perhaps those were old names already
[06:47] <Jucato> Serega: ah yes. they were done in the last meeting it seems
[06:48]  * kiefer08 is now playing: Patrik och lillen ft Basshunter - Vifta med hÃ¤nderna [Remix]
[06:48] <Jucato> O.o
[06:48] <Jucato> Serega: Riddell cleaned it up today/yestereday (depending on the timezone :P)
[06:49] <kiefer08> Can any give me a basic overview of how to print konsole output in a QTextBrowser under qt4?
[06:49] <Jucato> kiefer08: might want to try asking in #qt
[06:49] <Jucato> er wait, konsole output? hm...
[06:53] <kiefer08> lol my thoughts exactly, its a little platform dependant
[06:54] <Jucato> kiefer08: you can ask stdin later if he's around. iirc he made some small test app that takes a simple bash command and shows it's output... you might be able to get something from there
[06:56] <kiefer08> oh cheers, i'll keep an eye out :p
[07:01] <kiefer08> Jucato: thanks for those links earlier, found exactly what i was looking for, if anyone else asks for similar links, i would highly suggest linking them too http://zetcode.com/tutorials/pyqt4/
[07:17] <devilsadvocate> i've got a little package management question : I have KDE4.0 installed on hardy from the repositories, but I need QT 4.4, and so I'm compiling it all from svn. Now, how do I remove the KDE4 that i installed from the reopsitories?
[07:37] <Serega> Riddell: Hi
[08:22] <stdin> kiefer08: http://stdin.me.uk/code/qcommand.tar.gz have a look
[08:23] <Jucato> he's alive!!!
[08:23] <stdin> I actually slept at night and woke up in the day :p
[08:37] <kiefer08> stdin: Cheers :), perfect timing, i just finished dinner :p
[08:40] <Jucato> yummy
[08:40] <Jucato> (I hope)
[08:41] <kiefer08> Bangers & Mash, cant go wrong :p
[08:41] <kiefer08> (Yes, Im Aussie :p)
[08:41]  * Jucato isn't :P
[08:42] <kiefer08> Hehe 'bangers & mash' = sausages with mashed potato, and usually baked beans, and sometimes cheese
[08:43] <Jucato> baked beans = flatulence :P
[08:43] <Jucato> hehe sorry
[08:43] <kiefer08> haha did you know that the gas produced from baked beans produces no scent? :p
[08:44] <Jucato> I don't even want to test that theory :)
[08:44] <kiefer08> Hahaha
[08:46] <kiefer08> shower time, bbs :p
[08:47] <Jucato> TMI
[09:02] <fdoving> am i the only one wtih dbus-daemon segfaults in hardy?
[09:22] <_StefanS_> Riddell: did that shadowed text for the windeco make into hardy?
[09:23] <_StefanS_> Riddell: or is there something more I should have done ?
[09:33] <kiefer08|Away> Riddell: I read the log for the pyQt lesson you gave, Found it very informing, good job :)
[09:44]  * Nightrose starts upgrade number two to hardy (desktop this time)
[09:52] <kiefer08|Away> My lecturer today was talking about how he installed hardy beta on teh weekend today :\
[10:21] <Tonio_> hi there
[10:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey you!
[10:21] <Jucato> hi Tonio_!
[10:22] <Tonio_> hey ;)
[10:22] <Jucato> saw my ping about the new Konvi nicklist theme?
[10:22] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: can you push a new k-d-s ?
[10:23] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep that's on my plans
[10:23] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: need me to put something in it ?
[10:24] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: nope, everything should already be there, however I'm not sure the gtk2-engines-qtcurve patch should be in there
[10:24] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: gtk2-engines-qtcurve has not been cleared for main inclusion. I was too late.
[10:24] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu/revision/163
[10:25] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so only the shadow text should be implemented
[10:26] <Tonio_> okay so I have to remove this and go back to qt ?
[10:26] <Tonio_> and we'll use the standard gtk-qt-engines ?
[10:26] <_StefanS_> yes. the kde style stays in as it is now.
[10:26] <_StefanS_> gtk is reverted.
[10:27] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: on the other hand, it works pretty correctly
[10:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep, its okay. Qtcurve for kde was the main thing. So if could just fix that windeco shadow, then we're set.
[10:43] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: working on kds now
[10:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: I really wonder what we should do with knetworkconf....
[10:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is probably the more buggy component in kubuntu actually
[10:46] <Tonio_> and not little bugs :
[10:46] <Tonio_> - can break sudo in some cases
[10:46] <Tonio_> - breaks samba (smb.conf) if installed
[10:47] <Tonio_> - can't restart network services (like samba) when applying network config
[10:47] <Tonio_> I tried to debug, bug that's horribly complex perl code.....
[10:47] <Tonio_> I'm a bit lost on that one
[10:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just uploaded a workarround not to break sudo, that's the most important
[10:47] <xRaich[o]2x> Hi. I have a bug in KDE4 on Hardy. A lot of actions take ages (starting up, starting apps, opening some dropdown menus). When i start them in Konsole i get the following messages : "Cannot establish the socket connection..." and "Failed to initialize scim". Is this a known problem?
[10:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: yeah, it needs thrown out and rewriten with the current backends
[10:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: what does it have to do with samba?
[10:49] <Serega> Riddell: hi
[10:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: releasing kubuntu with a network config component that can break the all system is a big, big problem for me
[10:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: how will that be handled in kde4 ?
[10:50] <Serega> Riddell: I have prepared the wiki page, but cannot find where to add myself :)
[10:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: just an example, the scripts currently consider you have one lo ip only, which is wrong
[10:51] <xRaich[o]2x> Ah found the bug in launchpad
[10:51] <Riddell> Serega: m
[10:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: so all 127.* entries are trashed, including the <IP_ADDRESS> one, used by default for our host
[10:52] <Riddell> Serega: put wiki page at FirstnameLastname and link from https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings
[10:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's the one breaking sudo
[10:52] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: great
[10:52] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: there are so many ones :)
[10:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: in future releases hopefully we'll have knetworkmanager 0.7 and that should handle most network cases
[10:53] <Serega> Riddell: I 'm confused by "Wednesday March 19, 2008 at 23:00 UTC"
[10:53] <Riddell> Serega: that's old.  change it to Saturday 5th 11:00UTC
[10:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah, networkmanager 0.7 is supposed to fix all limitations (static ips etc.......)
[10:54] <Riddell> xRaich[o]2x: grr, scim.  what happens if you remove scim?
[10:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm eventually looking for another tool that would handle static config without bugs....... I hope it's not too late
[10:54] <Riddell> _StefanS_: tonio is uploading k-d-s, so shadowed text would be in that unless he doesn't like it
[10:55] <Riddell> but he should remove the gtk changes first
[10:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: what about http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/netGo?content=14221 ?
[10:55] <_StefanS_> Riddell: yup I asked him to remove it
[10:56] <Tonio_> afaik, this tool work, so we could replace the knetworkmanager link with this
[10:56] <Riddell> kiefer08: glad you liked it.  if you want to give something back, techbase is a bit light on python tutorials http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Development/Tutorials#Python
[10:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: or that one :) http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Static+IP+configurator?content=25666
[10:57] <Tonio_> static ip configurator, that's all we need
[10:57] <Tonio_> something simple that doesn't break the system
[10:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: looks old.  does it work with /etc/network/interfaces ?
[10:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: the second one does
[10:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: knetworkconf also is old, really old
[10:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm ready to spend the all day testing this one deeply, so eventually we can replace knetworkconf if that's not too late
[10:58] <kiefer08> Riddell: Ey Im not half bad at python, i'll sure consider writing something :p
[10:58] <Tonio_> argh, it's a kommander script :'(
[10:58] <xRaich[o]2x> Riddell: Trying right now, purged all scim packages mentioned in bug #206302.
[10:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 206302 in scim "scim fails to initialize, segfaults, makes kde4 apps take long to load" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/206302
[10:59] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep, cant knetworkconf be fixed?
[10:59] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: really long and complex
[10:59] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I spent 2 days in the code without finding what to do
[10:59] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: is it c++?
[10:59] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: debuging is complicated, (perl code called within c++) etc.......
[11:00] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nope :)
[11:00] <_StefanS_> uhm a hybrid thing
[11:00] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: in fact all that we need woud be this : http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Static+IP+configurator?content=25666
[11:00] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but written with c++ or python
[11:01] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: for each interface i reckon..
[11:01] <kiefer08> Just a warning to everyone, there is a virus (a worm) circulating MSN Messenger, and other IM apps, if someone messages you telling you to goto "ht tp:/ /sk8 erbo y1519.par tyt im ez. inf o" (Spaces there so you dont click on it) or anything similar, dont do it, it will infect you.
[11:01] <kiefer08> --A little off topic i know :p
[11:01] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: can be written in one day for a coder I suspect....... in terested ?
[11:01] <Tonio_> interested ?
[11:01] <Tonio_> just one window allowing to write a static ip, and that's it
[11:01] <Serega> Riddell: done, please check
[11:01] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: and a dropdown for each interface?
[11:02] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep
[11:02] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: and writing results to /etc/network/interfaces, right?
[11:02] <Tonio_> and of course parsing /etc/network/interfaces to read the settings
[11:02] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep, and vice versa
[11:02] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep, and invoke-rc.d networking restart is ran after you validate the configuration
[11:02] <Riddell> kiefer08: probably the most off topic comment we've ever had :)
[11:02] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: shouldn't be hard to do I suspect
[11:03] <kiefer08> Riddell: hehe, pays to be aware though :p
[11:03] <kiefer08> Riddell: that and im sick of people IM'ing me the site because they were stupid enough to visit it
[11:04] <Riddell> Serega: groovy
[11:04] <Serega> :)
[11:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I can commit to do it
[11:05] <xRaich[o]2x> Riddell: That worked.
[11:05] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: kwlan does it
[11:05] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: you can find the code there, and adapt to work in a simple window
[11:05] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok, will grab it from there
[11:05]  * Serega half of today's morning was creating cool flying head branding
[11:05] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the reason we don't use kwlan is that it duplicates with knetworkmanager
[11:06] <_StefanS_> i know
[11:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but it deals with static ip settings :)
[11:08] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: doesnt it need to be converted to a kcm module aswell?
[11:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nope
[11:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: if you can, that'd be great, but as long as it feets in knetworkmanager, it's fine to me
[11:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: would you agree on rationale ?
[11:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok then, its supposed to be launched from knm applet?
[11:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: making this to work would fix one of our biggest problems
[11:10] <Tonio_> on my side, I'll prepare a new kds with oxygen theme for konvi
[11:10] <_StefanS_> right, I will get right on it.
[11:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: so long as it and knetworkmanager don't fight over who's controlling the network settings
[11:12] <Tonio_> of course ;)
[11:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: any idea how we would prevent those two apps from fighting the ip ? maybe there is a nm status we could look at
[11:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: you mean ?
[11:22] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I just mean if you set a static ip with the new program, knm needs to know it
[11:22] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: but lets see, I will look into it
[11:22] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: it will, since of the "networking restart"
[11:22] <_StefanS_> ok, good
[11:22] <Tonio_> dbus rocks ;)
[11:23] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: so I have to get your kwincrystalrc file and let gtk-qt with qt that's right ?
[11:24] <_StefanS_> yep
[11:30] <Tonio_> Riddell, _StefanS_: kds uploaded with oxygen theme and windeco fixes
[11:30] <Riddell> awooga
[11:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: I hope you won't hate me anymore now the tango issue has been fixed :)
[11:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: now everything called tango will be on my shit list....
[11:31] <Riddell> je t'adore un autre fois
[11:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: ^^
[11:31] <Riddell> I've no idea if that makes any grammatical sense :)
[11:35] <jpatrick> nixternal: dang it, I was sleeping :(
[11:44] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: thanks!
[11:44] <viviersf> Riddell: ping
[11:46] <Riddell> hi viviersf
[11:47] <danimo> Riddell: ping?
[11:48] <Riddell> gosh, I'm popular
[11:48] <Riddell> hi danimo
[11:48] <Serega> :)
[11:48] <danimo> Riddell: well, if you put broken network manager packages in the same repo with the Qt 4.4 beta ones without a warning... :)
[11:48] <danimo> Riddell: what are those good for?
[11:48] <Riddell> er yes, don't install those
[11:49] <Riddell> testing network manager 0.7 (which doesn't work)
[11:49] <danimo> Riddell: yes, but how? Pinning is a pain in the ass and it has to be done beforehand
[11:50] <Riddell> don't run dist-upgrade
[11:52] <danimo> Riddell: erm, too late :}
[11:53] <danimo> Riddell: I'll simply disable your packages, remove knm/nm and reinstall it
[11:53] <Riddell> yep
[12:02] <viviersf> Riddell: is kdepim enterprise gonna go into ubuntu hardy ?
[12:13] <Riddell> viviersf: nothing planned, we have 3.5.9 currently (which includes most of what enterprise had)
[12:13] <viviersf> Riddell: ah ok
[12:16] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I was thinking about that
[12:16] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: your code can even be an extension of knetworkmanager (a big patch)
[12:16] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: wouldn't that be easier ?
[12:16] <Riddell> network manager knows to stop if a static ip is set in /etc/networks/interfaces
[12:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep
[12:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was thinking about that since releasing an app with tarball would require revuing, MIR accepted and so on
[12:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: pushing the code in knm tarball is easier
[12:18]  * Tonio_ notices that a lot of kde3 apps are now going kde4, sounds great ;)
[12:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I will integrate into knm, I already made some additions to the current version through Helmut schaa that maintains it in suse land
[12:19] <Tonio_> means lots of packages to do in the future
[12:19] <_StefanS_> I know the dialogs..
[12:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: super
[12:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ask for help or tests when ready, I'll be very happy to help
[12:19] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sure I will write you a mail if you arent here
[12:20] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: super ;)
[12:20] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'll have to go tomorrow till sunday, but will be back on sunday afternoon
[12:20] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'll stay connected toonight also
[12:21] <_StefanS_> right, I will come up with something
[12:22] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: you rock ;)
[12:22] <_StefanS_> I hope ;)
[13:01] <Nightrose> wohooo second upgrade to hardy done
[13:01] <Nightrose> no problems
[13:01] <Riddell> awooga
[13:02] <CheGuevara> hmmm anyone else's usplash is gone
[13:02] <jpatrick> CheGuevara: mine vanished on gutsy
[13:03] <CheGuevara> mine's gone on hardy
[13:03] <CheGuevara> its there for the kernel stage
[13:03] <CheGuevara> but then drops to text
[13:05] <jpatrick> exactly the same here for gutsy...
[13:06] <CheGuevara> was there a usplash update for u recentely?
[13:06] <jpatrick> no fresh install and it didn't come up
[13:08] <CheGuevara> oh
[13:12] <gribelu> hey umm.. i think i broke my kde4 with Riddell's qt4.4 packages :} . How do i force the removal of a package even if that breaks lots of stuff? I can't downgrade qt unless i somehow remove libqtcore4
[13:14] <gribelu> nm i think i got it
[13:17] <gribelu> yup.. all fixed..
[13:17] <gribelu> so i guess qt4.4 wasn't supposed to be installed in a normal hardy?
[13:18] <Riddell> works for me
[13:18] <Riddell> (mostly)
[13:18] <gribelu> hmm
[13:18] <gribelu> i tried to run konsole after installing qt4.4 and it complained that it couldn't find libQtSvg.so.4
[13:18] <gribelu> and indeed it was missing
[13:20] <Tm_T> I'm now in our SummerCode final
[13:20] <Tm_T> last one doing his presentation
[13:20] <gribelu> then when i tried to remove 4.4 dpkg complained that libqt4-gui_4.3.4 was trying to overwrite /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/codecs/libqcncodecs.so , which is also in package libqtcore4
[13:20] <Tm_T> Riddell: so stand by, new's coming hopefully in few moments
[13:20] <Tm_T> news even
[13:20] <Riddell> gribelu: libqt4-gui: /usr/lib/libQtSvg.so.4
[13:21]  * Riddell holds breath
[13:21] <Tm_T> Riddell: don't turn blue, even if it's our colour
[13:22] <CheGuevara> haha
[13:22] <gribelu> Riddell:  in this file? http://ppa.launchpad.net/jr/ubuntu/pool/main/q/qt4-x11/libqt4-gui_4.4.0~beta1-1ubuntu1~ppa1_i386.deb
[13:22] <gribelu> i don't have it in there
[13:23] <Tm_T> I had several hardware failures during last days so my presentation was a tad bit raw
[13:23] <Riddell> gribelu: oh, it's in the new libqt4-svg: /usr/lib/libQtSvg.so.4
[13:23] <Tm_T> voting is coming, so ->
[13:24] <gribelu> oh.. there might be some dependency problem then. libqt4-svg didn't get installed automagically
[13:28] <gribelu> yay.. it works
[14:14] <Nightrose> hmmm ok - I take back that "no problem" for my second hardy install - I can't shut down properly - I just get a black screen and a beautiful white cursor on it after klicking shut down...
[14:14]  * Nightrose will investigate
[14:15] <Nightrose> (note: I had problems with this in gutsy already so it is probably not a problem with the upgrade - it just shows worse now)
[14:32] <Tonio_> Nightrose: working on ksniffer again
[14:38] <Nightrose> :) cool
[14:41] <Tonio_> ouch........
[14:41] <Tonio_> does "sudo konqueror" work for you people ? I get a X connection error, that worked before
[14:42] <jussio1> kdesudo konqueror works for me...
[14:44] <Tonio_> jussio1: with sudo not kdesudo :)
[14:44] <jussio1> Tonio_: but yes, it works fine here to, although arent you not supposed to use sudo with graphical apps?
[14:45] <Tonio_> jussio1: not supposed to but if it doens't work anymore, that's a regression :)
[14:45] <jussio1> Tonio_: well it does work here, albeit with some random errors
[14:45] <Tonio_> okay so that's my config broken......
[14:46] <jussio1> yeps, I guess so
[14:46] <jjesse> yay for planes with maintenance issues
[14:51] <jjesse> this is wierd firefox is scrolling and i can't stop it
[14:51] <jjesse> till it gets to the bottom of the page
[14:56] <rom> hi
[14:57] <rom> how to install ksynaptic in kubuntu hardy (for touchpad)?
[14:57] <rom> it was in default repositories in gutsy...
[14:58] <Riddell> rom: -> #kubuntu
[14:58] <rom> I asked
[14:58] <rom> but no answer :(
[14:58] <jjesse> is Qt a captial Q and then a capital T or just capital Q lower case t
[14:59] <Nightrose> jjesse: if you mean the toolkit it is Qt
[14:59] <Nightrose> QT is QuickTime
[14:59] <jjesse> Nightrose: yes i ment the toolkit
[14:59] <jjesse> thanks
[15:00] <Riddell> now quite important given Qt's QT phonon backend
[15:03] <jjesse> i was in barnes and noble the other day and found Ubuntu for Dummies
[15:03] <jjesse> now you know something is popular when there is a dummies book
[15:03] <Tonio_> Nightrose: ksniffer 0.3.2 works for me without starting as root
[15:03] <Tonio_> Nightrose: the starting as root is required by debian patch, so I wonder if that's really needed
[15:05] <jjesse> !info kde4 hardy
[15:05] <Nightrose> Tonio_: and you can capture packets without problems?
[15:06] <jpatrick> jjesse: !info is broken
[15:06] <jjesse> doh
[15:06] <jjesse> kde 4.0.2 correct?
[15:06] <jjesse> for hardy
[15:07] <Tonio_> Nightrose: yep
[15:07] <jpatrick> should be
[15:07] <Tonio_> Nightrose: maybe that's just specific fix with 0.3.2
[15:07] <Tonio_> Nightrose: fancy testing the package ?
[15:07] <Nightrose> Tonio_: sure
[15:08] <Tonio_> Nightrose: gimme a minute to build :)
[15:08] <Nightrose> Tonio_: no prob - I will try to fix my kdm issue in the mean time ;-)
[15:09] <Tonio_> ;)
[15:10] <Tonio_> Nightrose: build started, if you confirm it works for you, I'll upload
[15:20] <Tonio_> Nightrose: http://toniox.org/temp
[15:21] <Nightrose> Tonio_: ok downloading and testing
[15:21] <Tonio_> Nightrose: super :)
[15:21] <Tonio_> Nightrose: that doesn't explain the kdesudo problem with this, but as long as it works :)
[15:22] <Nightrose> right
[15:22] <Tonio_> Nightrose: the fact it doesn't work with kdesudo is a very specific case, I haven't eard of another app not working with it, so....
[15:23] <Tonio_> Nightrose: don't test.......... I'm stupid
[15:23] <Nightrose> hehe ok
[15:23] <Nightrose> what happened?
[15:23] <Tonio_> Nightrose: I tested in a sudo -s enabled shell
[15:23] <Tonio_> so user was still "tonio" but with UID root....
[15:23] <Nightrose> ahhh ok
[15:24] <jjesse> hrmm when i adjust the size of the panel, the size of the clock doesn't adjust
[15:25] <Nightrose> jjesse: same here -
[15:25] <jjesse> which causes problems if i set the size to tiny
[15:26] <Nightrose> jep - for me it shows the rest of the clock at the top of the screen then
[15:26] <Tonio_> Nightrose: it works with kdesu, at least
[15:26] <Nightrose> but with small it works
[15:26] <Nightrose> Tonio_: so I can test? ;-)
[15:26] <Tonio_> Nightrose: /usr/bin/kdesu.distrib ksniffer
[15:27] <Tonio_> Nightrose: yep, you can :)
[15:27] <Tonio_> Nightrose: that didn'ty work last time right ?
[15:27] <Tonio_> so only kdesudo seems to cause an issue this time
[15:27] <Nightrose> well starting with kdesu worked but I got an error when I wanted to capture packets
[15:27] <Riddell> Nightrose: did you do your upgrades in German?
[15:27] <Nightrose> anyway - I will try
[15:28] <Nightrose> Riddell: nope - only english systems here
[15:29] <jjesse> Riddell: official names of 8.04 are Kubuntu 8.04 and Kubuntu 8.04 Remix?
[15:29] <Jucato> (maybe Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 4 Remix?)
[15:29] <jjesse> and kde 3 is kde 3.5.9 correct?
[15:29] <jjesse> evening Jucato
[15:30] <Jucato> good morning jjesse!
[15:30] <Riddell> jjesse: Kubuntu 8.04 and Kubuntu 8.04 (KDE 4 Remix)
[15:30] <jjesse> can anyone guess what i'm doing?
[15:30] <Riddell> jjesse: kde 3 is kde 3.5.9, correct
[15:30] <jpatrick> jjesse: book? :D
[15:31] <jjesse> jpatrick: yes my editor is a slave driver
[15:31] <Riddell> jjesse: kde 4 will be kde 4.0.3
[15:31] <jjesse> and so is Riddell :)
[15:31]  * apachelogger is quite annoyed by forsight linux' installer
[15:31]  * jjesse is quite annoyed by united airlines
[15:34] <apachelogger> oh, right, it craped out when writing the bootloader
[15:34]  * apachelogger has a broken grub
[15:34] <apachelogger> nomnom
[15:36] <Nightrose> Tonio_: doesn't capture anything for me still :( - started with "kdesu ksniffer"
[15:36] <jjesse> nixternal: what's the weather in chi town today?
[15:36] <Tm_T> Riddell: no luck, they had to discard something so it was me
[15:37]  * Nightrose hugs Tm_T
[15:37] <Tm_T> Riddell: buut I'll do it anyway
[15:37] <Nightrose> \o/
[15:37] <Riddell> Tm_T: :(
[15:38] <Tonio_> Nightrose: that's kdesudo
[15:38] <Tonio_> Nightrose: try /usr/bin/kdesu.distrib
[15:38] <Tonio_> Nightrose: that's the original kdesu
[15:38] <Nightrose> k
[15:39] <Nightrose> wohoooo
[15:39] <Nightrose> worksforme
[15:41] <Tonio_> Nightrose: in fact it looks like the kprocess exits immediately, that causes the processExited signal to be emmited
[15:41] <Tonio_> Nightrose: I just patched for some debug code to see what happens
[15:41] <Nightrose> ok
[15:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: what except KProcess::detach can cause a program to detach ?
[15:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: ksniffer detaches itself, but there is no "detach" info in the code....
[15:44] <Riddell> KUniqueApplication will detach
[15:46] <Tonio_> Nightrose: give me the money !!!!!!!!!!
[15:46] <Tonio_> that's now fixed issue :)
[15:46] <Tonio_> haha
[15:46] <Tonio_> lots of chance since my debugging code fixes :)
[15:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki :)
[15:47] <Tonio_> Nightrose: fancy testing ?
[15:47]  * Tonio_ is probably the worst coder ever, but a very lucky one :)
[15:48] <Tonio_> Nightrose: can you grab http://toniox.org/temp and test please ?
[15:48] <apachelogger> lol
[15:48] <apachelogger> Tonio_: she probably broke her X completly now
[15:48] <Tonio_> apachelogger: ;)
[15:49] <Nightrose> haha
[15:49] <Nightrose> nope I did not
[15:49] <Nightrose> Tonio_: will test in a sec
[15:49] <Tonio_> oki
[15:49] <Nightrose> apachelogger: works better now - thx :P
[15:49] <Nightrose> not perfect yet though
[15:49] <jjesse> i'm sometimes amazed at what i see people wearing when i'm in the airport
[15:49] <Tonio_> Nightrose: re-tested and confirmed it works
[15:50] <Tonio_> Nightrose: the issue was that the sniff process is started without "notifyonexit" statement
[15:50] <Tonio_> Nightrose: but the processexited is checked
[15:50] <Nightrose> ah I see
[15:51] <Tonio_> Nightrose: for some reason, that code error works when started as it should, but fails when the application is started inside a kprocess
[15:51] <Tonio_> Nightrose: that, don't ask me why.......
[15:51] <Nightrose> ;-)
[15:51] <jjesse> when i finsih an install of 8.04 in ubiquity i can't remember if there is then a prompt for a reboot which actually reboots your machine
[15:51] <Tonio_> Nightrose: but this is clearly a bug in the code
[15:52] <jjesse> can someone confirm or deny that?
[15:54] <Nightrose> Tonio_: you are awesome :P
[15:54] <Nightrose> worksforme
[15:54] <Tonio_> Nightrose: another issue : the "jumping forever" icon
[15:55] <Nightrose> ?
[15:55] <Tonio_> Nightrose: looks like the same issue happens somewhere in the code, and the kdesudo kprocess doesn't know the app is started..... I'm trying to fix out that one
[15:55] <Nightrose> ok
[15:55] <Tonio_> Nightrose: when started fro mwithin the kmenu, the ksniffer icon jumps forever
[15:55] <Nightrose> hmm doesn't for me
[15:55] <Nightrose> kde 3 or 4?
[15:56] <Tonio_> Nightrose: I'm not awasome, I had some chance, that'll all :)
[15:56] <Nightrose> hehe
[16:03] <Tonio_> Nightrose: hum nope, the jumping icon is a kdesudo bugs back with latest version.....; damn :'(
[16:03] <Tonio_> well that's not a big bug
[16:04] <Tonio_> Nightrose: I'll contact upstream with the patch for ksniffer
[16:04] <Tonio_> Nightrose: and will upload in a few minutes
[16:05] <jjesse> wow so i use simply a lot in the book
[16:11] <Nightrose> Tonio_: great - thx :)
[17:15] <xRaich[o]2x> I'm porting asoundconf to qt4 where can I get pyuic4?
[17:16] <ScottK> xRaich[o]2x: Look at python-kde4.  I think it's there, but I'm not sure.
[17:16] <yuriy> !info pyqt4-dev-tools
[17:17] <jpatrick> yuriy: !info == broken
[17:17] <yuriy> oh
[17:17] <yuriy> well anyway xRaich[o]2x ^
[17:17] <xRaich[o]2x> got it thanks ^^
[17:35] <Riddell> xRaich[o]2x: I prefer to load the .ui files at runtime rather than compile them with pyuic4
[17:37] <nareshov> hey, are we going to have Qt4 version of KMail in hardy release?
[17:38] <smarter> nareshov: kdepim will be part of kde 4.1, so hardy+1 at least
[17:38] <nareshov> oh ;[
[17:47] <nixternal> oi oi
[17:47] <CheGuevara> hey nixternal
[17:48] <nixternal> howdy
[17:49] <CheGuevara> not too bad
[17:50] <CheGuevara> you?
[17:55] <ScottK2> I'm trying to troubleshoot why my Knetworkmanager can't restart after an upgrae.  It fails on Mar 28 13:43:46 KTS-D430 NetworkManager: <WARN>  nm_dbus_get_wireless_user_key_done(): nm_dbus_get_user_key_for_network_cb(): dbus returned an error.   (org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo.GetKeyError) org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo.GetKeyError
[17:55] <ScottK2> The gnome applet asks me for the key, but the KDE one just fails.
[17:56] <awen_> ScottK2: have you restarted since the upgrade?
[17:56] <ScottK2> This was just a package update for network-manager, but a distro upgrade
[17:56] <ScottK2> I can replicate it by doing sudo apt-get install --reinstall network-manager
[17:57] <Riddell> ScottK2: you may be better off asking an upstream (e.g. wstephenson)
[17:57] <ScottK2> Riddell: OK.  Where would be the best place to look?
[17:58] <awen_> ScottK2: my netmorkmanager crashed on the last update (don't usually do that), and only a restart helped... so seems it is a general issue
[17:59] <ScottK2> awen_: Look in your syslog and see if you get the same error
[18:01] <Riddell> ScottK2: #kde-devel ?
[18:01] <awen_> ScottK2: it's a one-timer for me... it starts fine and reconnects after a reinstall now
[18:01] <ScottK> asac made me install the Gnome network manager applet (it at least asked me for the password) to troubleshoot.  It just looked so wrong.
[18:02] <ScottK> awen_: OK.  Thanks
[18:02] <awen_> ScottK: np
[18:03] <nixternal> hrmm, I have seen others saying the same thing about KNetworkMangler and the recent update crash..I didn't see it, is it because I am not using WPA/WEP?
[18:04] <ScottK> nixternal: That'd make sense as mine failed getting a key.
[18:04] <nixternal> I think that is what everyone else was complaining of too
[18:22] <awen_> ScottK: it seems to be network-manager that has been updated, not knetworkmanager ... does it work to downgrade?
[18:22] <CheGuevara> it wasn't a major release no reason knetworkmanager should be updated?
[18:23] <CheGuevara> as in api hasnt changed
[18:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: how's kdebinding's going?  I've a 4.0.3 tar of it if you want
[18:26] <nixternal> Riddell: already?
[18:26]  * nixternal checks ktown
[18:26] <ScottK> awen_: No IIRC (for my problem).  I don't have time to check it right now.
[18:27] <ScottK> CheGuevara: This isn't a new problem now, just the first time I've paid attention to it.
[18:27] <Riddell> nixternal: coming fast these KDE releases.  I don't think there's extragear yet
[18:27] <nixternal> no doubt
[18:27] <nixternal> ya, no extragear yet
[18:27] <awen_> ScottK: okay... then i'm less worried
[18:27] <nixternal> I added watchfiles to all of the extragear packages, so I just have to uscan and go now
[18:28] <xRaich[o]2x> Riddell: How do I do that?
[18:28] <Riddell> nixternal: won't work if they're not on the ftp site
[18:28]  * awen_ was connected to a wpa network yesterday
[18:28] <nixternal> true
[18:28] <nixternal> forgot we have access prior to them being on ftp
[18:28] <ScottK2> awen_: I can connect to wpa if I manually initiate it.  It's the automatic reconnects that fail.
[18:28] <ScottK2> This laptop is on WPA as we speak.
[18:29] <Riddell> from PyQt4 import uic
[18:29] <Riddell> self.mainWindow = QWidget() uic.loadUi(APPDIR + "/" + "system-config-printer.ui", self.mainWindow)
[18:29] <nixternal> ya, it tells me I can't enter 4.0.3 when just using ftp://
[18:29] <Riddell> xRaich[o]2x: like that (but with newline in the middle)
[18:30] <awen_> ScottK2: mine connected to the wpa network automatically
[18:30] <ScottK2> Hmmmm
[18:30] <Riddell> nixternal: although if http://wire.dattitu.de/archives/2008/03/28/weekly-KDE-4.1-snapshot-4.0.67,-KDE-4.0.3-testers-wanted.html is true Dirk is breaking the keep hidden rule
[18:30] <ScottK2> awen_: Will you have access to this network again?
[18:30] <Riddell> nixternal: 18:30 < toma> Riddell: i hope this evening, but likely tomorrow
[18:31] <nixternal> rock on!
[18:31] <awen_> ScottK2: yes... probably on sunday evening
[18:31] <nixternal> ya, I just seen the testers email/blog post
[18:31] <xRaich[o]2x> Riddell: Thx ^^
[18:31] <nixternal> hrmm, I do the dialog implementation a tad bit differently than that for pyqt4
[18:31] <ScottK2> awen_: Would you do a network-manager reinstall and capture the syslog for me?
[18:32] <Riddell> nixternal: < toma> Riddell: i've not seen any major changes, so prbably only language updates
[18:32] <awen_> ScottK2: you mean while connected to the wpa-network?
[18:32] <ScottK2> awen_: Yes
[18:32] <ScottK2> awen_: sudo apt-get install --reinstall network-manager
[18:33] <awen_> ScottK2: yep... i'll try to remember testing it
[18:33] <ScottK2> awen_: Thanks
[18:34] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6163/ <- that is the way I have been doing my PyQt4 dialogs/widgets/whatever
[18:35] <Riddell> nixternal: but that requires the pyuic compiler?
[18:38] <nixternal> nope
[18:39] <nixternal> you don't have to run pyuic4 on on the .ui files that way anymore (thanks to mhb for telling me about that months back)
[18:41] <Riddell> interesting (although I still prefer my way :)
[18:43] <nixternal> your way works, that's all that matters :)
[19:13] <nareshov> Hi, I'm trying to build amarok2 from svn and it complains "Please set the following variables:
[19:13] <nareshov> TAGLIB_INCLUDES
[19:14] <nareshov> "
[19:14] <nareshov> what packages do I need to install?
[19:14] <yuriy> i had that problem too last time i tried, couldn't figure it out
[19:14] <nareshov> ;[
[19:15] <Riddell> taglib I'd guess (but not really the right channel)
[19:16] <Riddell> probably the new taglib that isn't packaged yet
[19:27] <CheGuevara> Now GTK-KDE4 become KCModule. It means integration into Systemsettings
[19:27] <CheGuevara> w00t
[19:27] <nareshov> nice
[19:28] <awen_> has anybody successfully tried to run hardy within qemu?
[19:30]  * ryanakca has fun debugging js
[19:30] <nixternal> nareshov: kdesupport/taglib
[19:31] <nixternal> nareshov: you also need to build out qt-copy from trunk
[19:31] <nareshov> on it
[19:31] <nixternal> actually, just build out kdesupport too instead of using our packages for trunk building
[19:34]  * fdoving notes that icecc is very very usefull if you have multiple not too slow machines around. Saves me hours of compiletime.
[19:34] <Riddell> icecream rocks
[19:34] <fdoving> very much.
[19:35] <fdoving> after using the KDAB build-farm in berlin i'm addicted.
[19:35] <fdoving> it was amazing.
[19:35] <nixternal> I have yet to get mine configured correctly
[19:36] <fdoving> configure?
[19:36] <nixternal> well, s/configured/figured out :)
[19:36] <fdoving> install it, start the scheduler on one machine and it just works.
[19:37] <nixternal> for instance, if I do 'make -j3 install' typically on my kde4 build box, how would I build it using icecc?
[19:37] <jjesse> i like rocky road ice cream the best
[19:37] <nixternal> hehe
[19:38] <jjesse> oh you were talking about a different kind
[19:38] <jjesse> mouse tracks?
[19:38] <nixternal> I am hungry
[19:39]  * ryanakca wonders if his dad has gotten rid of my stash of P1s/P2s... if not, it might be interesting setting up a build farm with those :)
[19:39] <jjesse> just ate lunch in o'hare but i'm still hungry as well
[19:40] <Riddell> export PATH=/usr/lib/icecc/bin/:$PATH; make CC=icecc -j6
[19:40] <Riddell> nixternal: that should do it
[19:40] <nixternal> Riddell: thanks!
[19:40] <Riddell> nixternal: you need to start the scheduler first on fdoving says
[19:40] <fdoving> nixternal: i have symlinked ~/bin/gcc, ~/bin/g++ to /usr/bin/icecc - with ~/bin comming before the others.
[19:40] <Riddell> http://en.opensuse.org/Icecream
[19:40] <nixternal> then all I do is install icecc on every computer I want to do some building?
[19:40] <fdoving> nixternal: yep.
[19:41] <nixternal> w00t
[19:41]  * nixternal tries it
[19:41] <ryanakca> Riddell: probably better suited for #icecc, but d'you know if icecc works on multiple architectures? (I have a amd64... wonder if it could build for an i386)
[19:41] <fdoving> nixternal: as i only ever build on my laptop i have the scheduler on that, and install the icecc package (no configure) on all other machines.
[19:41] <yuriy> how does it find th machines? all on the same subnet?
[19:41] <fdoving> yep.
[19:41] <Riddell> ryanakca: yes, see "Cross-Compiling using icecream" http://en.opensuse.org/Icecream
[19:41] <fdoving> broadcast or something.
[19:42] <fdoving> so firewalls can be an issue, it's all on http://en.opensuse.org/Icecream as riddell says.
[19:42] <ryanakca> Riddell: thanks :)
[19:43] <ryanakca> hmm... no #icecc or #icecream channel :(
[19:44] <fdoving> try #suse :)
[19:44] <jjesse> how about #rockyroad ?
[19:44] <jjesse> or #moosetracks ?
[19:45] <ryanakca> lol
[19:46] <ryanakca> #pralinesandcreme :P
[19:46] <jjesse> ignore me i got like 3 hours of sleep and have been in an airport since 7am
[19:46] <jjesse> actually 6aqm
[19:56] <jjesse> i noticed i can now lock my kde4 hardy session
[19:56] <jjesse> yay team
[20:08] <jjesse> its kdesudo correct not kdesu for accessing applications with root rights?
[20:08] <smarter> jjesse: /usr/bin/kdesu is a link to /usr/bin/kdesudo
[20:09] <smarter> the "real" kdesu is in /usr/bin/kdesu.distrib if kdesudo is installed
[20:09] <jjesse> smarter: thanks thats what i thought jus wanted to douple check
[20:14] <jjesse> wow i deleted a large secion of the book chpt and i don't remember what it was
[20:14] <jjesse> bummer
[20:15] <jpatrick> no notes?
[20:15] <smarter> no ctrl+Z? (:
[20:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: now that I repaired my system .... I might have it finished tomorrow, I just need to make sure all files are installed
[20:34] <nixternal> w00t, icecream is rocking
[20:35] <nixternal> when you use it on an amd64 machine, then it will only utilize the other amd64 machines in the network right? because my 64bit boxes are sharing the load, but they aren't hitting my lonely 32bit lappy
[20:35] <Riddell> and yet people still use distcc
[20:35] <Riddell> nixternal: you probably need to set them up for crossbuilding
[20:36] <nixternal> don't use the --build-native?
[20:40] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/~rj/icecc.png
[20:40] <nixternal> go baby go!
[20:41] <nixternal> found a new job for 3 other desktops I have lying around now
[20:42] <nixternal> in 5 minutes, KOffice from trunk/ is over 30% complete
[20:42] <nixternal> now that is fast
[20:43] <Serega> :)
[20:43]  * Serega looks at own additional Core2Duo laptop...
[20:44] <jpatrick> nixternal: MasTequila?
[20:44] <Riddell> nixternal: mine better :) http://static.flickr.com/89/251145611_6d73da1cee.jpg?v=0
[20:44] <nixternal> ya baby
[20:44] <nixternal> oh come on now, that is from akademy cheater :p
[20:48]  * nareshov takes note: "use less-mem hungry browsers like konq. while compiling C++ code"
[21:01] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: looking at the stuff now
[21:02] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: super !
[21:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: just found out that kwlan and knetworkmanager cant co-exist, so it capped my wireless :(
[21:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that's why we don't install this hehe :)
[21:10] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yup, I just found out the hard way hehe.. well I'm just going to grab the code from it and embed it into knm as we talked about
[21:15] <smarter> Riddell: I've made a completely new patch to disable kded modules like medianotifier: http://smarter.free.fr/pkg/kdelibs.debdiff
[21:15] <smarter> it is now much easier to "blacklist" other modules
[21:21] <smarter> I tested it and it works perfectly
[21:21]  * ryanakca wonders if you could use icecc for building packages
[21:27] <xRaich[o]2x> ok, asoundconf-gtk is ported to KDE4 ^^
[21:55] <Riddell> nixternal: extragear tars are there
[21:56] <Riddell> should you wish to package them
[21:56] <jpatrick> pgquiles_: ##fix_your_connectino
[21:56] <jpatrick> connection*
[22:06] <nixternal> Riddell: ya, just got the email in packagers
[22:09] <ryanakca> btw, feel free to poke me if ever there are backports to do :)
[22:12] <ryanakca> Ummm... does setting your contact address in LP to your @kubuntu one affect the alias?
[22:13] <jpatrick> yes
[22:13] <jpatrick> it creates a loop
[22:14] <ryanakca> jpatrick: kk, thanks :)
[22:14] <jpatrick> ryanakca: I had it before, took ages to get it working again
[22:15] <ryanakca> :)
[22:21] <awen_> ScottK2: got the userconfig unicode problem sorted out :)
[22:21] <ScottK2> awen_: Cool.
[22:22] <awen_> ... after installing kubuntu in french in a virtual machine ;)
[22:22] <ScottK2> awen_: I should have some more displayconfig stuff tomorrow.
[22:22] <ScottK2> awen_: Why don't you package your fix and then link me the .dsc.  I'll grab it, add my stuff, and upload tomorrow.
[22:23] <awen_> ScottK2: I could do that... but don't you just want a patch; it's a 2-line fix :)
[22:24] <ScottK2> awen_: No.  I want to just have to do dget and then dch.
[22:24] <ScottK2> That way you get in debian/changelog again too.
[22:24] <ScottK2> Credit where credit is due.
[22:24] <awen_> ScottK2: I'll prepare the package and throw you a link then
[22:25] <ScottK2> awen_: Thanks.
[22:27] <awen_> is tab-completion when using sudo disabled as default in hardy? .. the newly installed beta doesn't give any options when I start the line with "sudo ap" and click tab
[22:33] <smarter> awen_: same here with bash, use zsh ;)
[22:34] <ScottK2> Isn't there a bash_completion package
[22:34] <ScottK2> IIRC it used to be seeded and it's not.
[22:34] <jpatrick> someone was ops do: /mode +b *!*@<IP_ADDRESS>!##fix_your_connection
[22:34] <awen_> smarter: i could do that ;)
[22:34] <awen_> but shouldn't the tab-completion be avaible as standard in any case
[22:35] <smarter> there's a bash-completion package which doesn't seem to be installed by default
[22:36] <smarter> but zsh completion is better anyway :p
[22:36] <jpatrick> zsh > *
[22:36] <awen_> smarter: but we use bash as default...
[22:37] <smarter> sudo nano /e/x/xo[tab] -> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[22:37] <jpatrick> awen_: I thought they changed it to zsh in hardy...
[22:37] <smarter> really?
[22:37] <smarter> that would be awesome
[22:37] <jpatrick> that's what I read in #u-devel
[22:37] <smarter> zsh is so great
[22:38] <awen_> jpatrick: how do i check which im in?
[22:38] <jpatrick> awen_: echo $SHELL
[22:38] <smarter> awen_: echo $SHELL
[22:39] <awen_> they match ;)
[22:39] <jpatrick> smarter: SNAP!
[22:39] <awen_> jpatrick: it's /bin/bash ...
[22:39] <jpatrick> awen_: sudo apt-get install zsh
[22:39] <awen_> jpatrick: at least in konsole
[22:40] <uga> Jucato: pong0rs
[22:40]  * awen_ is right now thinking about the defaults... they are not right, at least not now
[22:40] <jpatrick> awen_: save this as ~/.zshrc: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/61424/plain/
[22:41] <jpatrick> awen_: and type: "zsh" in konsole
[22:41] <awen_> jpatrick: who are we to poke to get bash_completion as default in hardy (no extra packages installed)?
[22:41] <smarter> chsh to select the default shell
[22:42] <jpatrick> awen_: cjwatson in #ubuntu-devel I think
[22:44]  * smarter uses this zsh conf: http://www.ctaf.free.fr/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=ctafconf
[22:44] <awen_> jpatrick: i'll try
[22:45] <smarter> 'night everyone
[22:59] <ryanakca> hmm... he has a messed up connection
[23:07] <blueyed> Is something being done about pm-utils integration? and e.g. calling the (fixed) shutdown dialog when the power button gets pressed?
[23:16] <awen_> blueyed: are you talking kde4 now?
[23:22] <blueyed> awen_: yes.
[23:23] <awen_> blueyed: then I wont interfere atm :)
[23:25] <awen_> ScottK2: this is for you http://awen.dk/packages/kde-guidance_0.8.0svn20080103-0ubuntu9.debdiff :)
[23:26] <awen_> ScottK2: it has been tested both on my own laptop with en_US locale ... and on my virtual machine with fr_FR
[23:46] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: ping, can you ban/forward pgquiles_ to ##pleasefixyourconnection or something if he starts again?
[23:46] <ryanakca> s/you/you please/g
[23:51] <Jucato> seems to have stabilized... poor paul :)
[23:59] <ryanakca> :{
[23:59] <ryanakca> :)


[04:09] <slackern> Just curious if anyone know what transfer speeds would be achievable on a Pentium 3 500Mhz with 448mb ram and with 2 3com cards using the 3c905 modules when it's acting as a router and firewall? Would it be able to handle maybe an 80% throughput on a 100mbit connection?
[04:37] <PanzerMKZ> that should be possible
[04:39] <slackern> I guess i'll see how well it works, to much work rearranging everything here at home to try the throughput and i can only get around 50mbits downstream from my isp at home at it handled that atleast
[04:40] <PanzerMKZ> darn
[04:40] <PanzerMKZ> that is nice
[04:40] <PanzerMKZ> over here the speeds are no where near that
[04:42] <slackern> Yeah it's quite nice buts it's capped for upstream to around 180k/sec and 55 mbit i only get during late nights, daytime it's around 25-35 but thats good enough, it's darn cheap here through the local cable supplier
[04:42] <PanzerMKZ> ouch
[04:42] <PanzerMKZ> on the upstream
[04:42] <PanzerMKZ> over here we get 256k or above
[04:43] <slackern> oh i ment 180kilobyte/sec not kilobit
[04:43] <PanzerMKZ> ok
[04:43] <PanzerMKZ> that is a world of difference
[04:43] <slackern> but still it's not too exciting :)
[04:43] <PanzerMKZ> only 50KB max here
[04:43] <PanzerMKZ> no it ain't but it is nicer then us
[04:43] <kgoetz> wow you must suffer... i hae 64k symetric mostof the time here
[04:44] <PanzerMKZ> but that is at work
[04:44] <PanzerMKZ> at home I am on dial up
[04:44] <slackern> hehe, haven't even seen a modem last 10 years i think :)
[04:44] <PanzerMKZ> isa modem
[04:44] <kgoetz> :\
[04:44] <slackern> last time i used on myself was on the amiga :)
[04:44] <slackern> on/one
[04:44] <PanzerMKZ> why though so old a p3?
[04:44] <PanzerMKZ> just a 500
[04:45] <PanzerMKZ> I mean yea my router/modem here at home is a 450 but for somethign that fast why not a little faster box?
[04:45] <slackern> No money for anything better, and that machine was for free
[04:45] <kgoetz> mines a 270 (ultrasparc)
[04:45] <PanzerMKZ> ok
[04:45] <kgoetz> afk, lunch
[04:46] <slackern> Not sure if it will route anything at all yet since the 100/100 connection has 2 IP's so it might just be standing there as a little simple server for hosting a few webpages and a shell
[04:47] <PanzerMKZ> wow
[04:47] <PanzerMKZ> then that should work ok
[04:48] <PanzerMKZ> of course I got a freebie dual p3
[04:48] <PanzerMKZ> nice having later p3's
[04:49] <slackern> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/phpsysinfo is the almighty machine :)
[04:49] <slackern> aye can make those boxes run really quiet too, don't need much cooling
[04:50] <PanzerMKZ> yea
[04:50] <PanzerMKZ> if I don't quit my job tomorrow then I plan on building a dual 1gig p3
[04:51] <slackern> hehe talking of dual p3's i need to show some old pics from an old ftp server me and a couple of friends built :)
[04:51] <PanzerMKZ> ok
[04:51] <slackern> just need to find them, just a minute
[04:52] <PanzerMKZ> I got a dual p3 733 at work
[04:52] <PanzerMKZ> 2.8gig of ram
[04:52] <kraut> p III is nice :)
[04:52] <kraut> http://exodus.packetloss.biz/
[04:53] <PanzerMKZ> how do yall do the stats page?
[04:54] <kraut> apt-get install phpsysinfo
[04:55] <PanzerMKZ> ok
[04:55] <slackern> http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/pics
[04:55] <slackern> finally found them
[04:56] <kraut> oO
[04:56] <slackern> there are actually 2 different setups with a single cpu mb and a dual p3 933 :)
[04:57] <PanzerMKZ> ok
[04:58] <PanzerMKZ> on that 500 there is a linksys card in there
[04:59] <PanzerMKZ> says lite on
[04:59] <PanzerMKZ> though
[04:59] <slackern> Was a nightmare getting all controller cards working together, put one in and another stopped working, switch places on them and they worked and the 3rd stopped working
[04:59] <PanzerMKZ> nasty
[04:59] <slackern> aye it's a netgear nic, but it's unused, it got some errors on it for some reason after i was playing with iptables
[05:00] <PanzerMKZ> that is weird part number LNE100TX is normally linksys
[05:00] <PanzerMKZ> but ok
[05:00] <slackern> it uses the tulip driver
[05:00] <PanzerMKZ> ok
[05:00] <PanzerMKZ> learn something new
[05:01] <PanzerMKZ> not bad that is a nasty amount of drives
[05:02] <slackern> there was 3 15k scsi drives in there to on that big controllercard to be able to manage uploading to it on 100mbit
[05:04] <PanzerMKZ> nuts
[05:04] <slackern> 20 drives in total :p
[05:06] <PanzerMKZ> well won ebay auction for a printer cartridge
[05:06] <PanzerMKZ> 80$
[05:06] <PanzerMKZ> for a 240$ cartridge
[05:06] <PanzerMKZ> 15K prints
[05:07] <slackern> hehe thats alot of prints
[05:07] <PanzerMKZ> yea
[05:07] <PanzerMKZ> upgraded the mem from 32meg to 128
[05:07] <slackern> haven't had a printer in years, last one was some horrible inkjet thingy that gulped more ink than a truck spends petrol
[05:08] <PanzerMKZ> oh this is big old network laser
[05:09] <slackern> Was offered on of those HP Laserjet printers that are everywhere but didnt have room for it back then, so darn nice with a laser printer sometimes
[05:09] <PanzerMKZ> a bunch of scsi drives?
[05:10] <PanzerMKZ> yea they are
[05:10] <slackern> bunch of scsi drives?
[05:10] <PanzerMKZ> that looks like a bunch of scsi
[05:11] <PanzerMKZ> or do I yet again need to go clean my eyes
[05:11] <PanzerMKZ> ?
[05:11] <slackern> there are 3 or 4 scsi drives on the pictures, you can also see the controller card for them there with the extra ram on it
[05:12] <PanzerMKZ> it takes me awhile per pic
[05:12] <slackern> oh
[05:12] <PanzerMKZ> as I don't have that much bandwidth
[05:12] <PanzerMKZ> oh a slot1 with slotkets
[05:12] <PanzerMKZ> cool
[05:17] <slackern> There was 2x450 slot1's in it from the start but we managed to get our hands on those 2 socket370's 933Mhz ones instead, they weren't supported if i remember right but it worked fine anyhow
[05:18] <PanzerMKZ> well if it would do 133mhz on the fsb then yea that would be sweet
[05:18] <PanzerMKZ> my 933 running on a 100fsb downclocked to 700
[05:19] <PanzerMKZ> but worked great
[05:19] <slackern> ahh thats right, they wanted 133 fsb and it wasn't supported but it still ran on it, was so long time ago i barely remember
[05:20] <PanzerMKZ> cool though
[05:20] <PanzerMKZ> I bet the jump from 450's to 933's was felt greatly
[05:20] <PanzerMKZ> I have a single 933 and a single 450 here side by side
[05:21] <PanzerMKZ> and the difference is more then the double the clock speeds
[05:22] <slackern> oh lord, time flies when you get ambushed by the internet, it's 05:24 i just noticed :p
[05:22] <PanzerMKZ> yea
[05:22] <slackern> clocks everywhere on the computer but still manage to see it :)
[05:22] <slackern> uhm miss it :p
[05:25] <PanzerMKZ> nasty
[05:28] <slackern> oh well time to get some sleep or i'll be a zombie later on, good night.
[05:35] <PanzerMKZ> night
[09:27] <sensei> I hope you can help, it might be me being lame, or it might be pure magic.. We've got two ubuntu servers which every odd 10 minutes loses connectivity. Can't SSH in, can't ping, nothing.. If I go to the servers, ping an external address, then it works and I can SSH in again for another ten or so minutes.. There's no networkmanager, avahi or anything that could automagically reconfigure anything running. I suspected the e100 driver after reading some
[09:27] <sensei> There's an ARP entry in the router for both machines as they boot up, then if I clear the ARP, they don't get a new one
[09:27] <sensei> But if I go in and ping something, it gets one
[09:27] <sensei> and I can connect back in
[09:28] <soren> Do they have a firewall installed?
[09:28] <sensei> Nops, not yet
[09:28] <sensei> There are other devices in the switch that works, and I tried plugging them into those sockets to rule out the switch
[09:29] <soren> Your post comment was cut short.. The last bit I got was: "e100 driver after reading some"
[09:29] <soren> Your
[09:29] <soren> gah..
[09:29] <soren> Your *first* comment was...
[09:29] <sensei> some negative comments on it on mailing lists, so I put a realtek basedcard in there, but got the same result
[09:29] <soren> Ah, ok.
[09:30] <soren> That's interesting.
[09:30] <sensei> dmesg doesn't show any "lost link" or something like that either, LEDs on the NIC glows and blinks, but there's just nothing going through them
[09:30] <sensei> Indeed :) If it wasn't for the deadline, I'd be thrilled
[09:31] <soren> No, it smells like it just doesn't respond to arp requests at all.
[09:31] <sensei> Indeed
[09:33] <soren> Is this a reasonably fresh install?
[09:33] <soren> Or have you done a lot of tweaking of it?
[09:33] <sensei> As of 6pm yesterday
[09:34] <soren> That's pretty fresh :)
[09:34] <sensei> No tweaking yet, this happened straight after install as well, so I apt-got all the updates available, but it keeps doing it
[09:34] <sensei> Indeed :)
[09:34] <soren> You could try looking at a tcpdump to see if it ever actually receives any arp requests.
[09:36] <soren> Oh, hang on.
[09:36] <sensei> That's a good idea. I was also thinking about putting a laptop up on the same IP, to see if that one dies as well
[09:36] <soren> Is it at all possible that there might be another machine on the network with the same ip?
[09:37] <soren> Namely one that doesn't respond to ping or ssh or anything?
[09:39] <sensei> soren: Not really, no.
[09:39] <sensei> And that'd give us an ARP entry, just the wrong one, wouldn't it? :)
[09:40] <soren> True.
[09:47] <sensei> This is indeed a tricky one :/
[10:04] <sensei> Running tcpdump now, waiting for it to fail
[10:17] <sensei> soren: There is definitely ARP traffic going, both who-has and replies
[10:17] <sensei> Considerably more who-has than replies, but to be honest, I'm not overly sure what's normal when it comes to ARP
[10:18] <sensei> Ah, 'reply' is when something is asking the machine and who-has is an outgoing query, so that'd be normal then
[10:19] <soren> Well, yes.
[10:19] <soren> But you'd also see the requests *to* the machine and the responses from it.
[10:21] <sensei> What would that look like ?
[10:40] <sensei> Noooooooooooooooooo
[10:41] <sensei> Customer has come back and said that if there will be further delays, they want to go ahead with RH
[10:41] <sensei> I feel defeated :(
[10:42] <sensei> I hate this, it's like watching a whole series without seeing the last episode
[11:41] <soren> sensei: Does it actually work with rh?
[11:43] <sensei> soren: Don't know yet, I can let you know once we've reinstalled if you're interested :)
[11:46] <soren> sensei: I am. :)
[11:57] <kimmey2k3> I run Feisty server and its complaining about /usr/share/gdm/themes/Human/Human.xml when I start up. I tried to remove it completely first, that didnt work. Then i reinstalled with apt-get install human-theme and that didnt work neither. Also its no Human-folder in /usr/share/gdm/themes/ - Any that kowns a simple method to fix it?
[12:01] <soren> kimmey2k3: Try in #ubuntu. This has nothing to do with server stuff.
[12:01] <kimmey2k3> Ok :)
[12:05] <pschulz01> Where do I find the PDF of the Ubuntu server guide?
[12:12] <soren> pschulz01: First hit: http://www.google.dk/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=ubuntu+server+guide+pdf  :)
[12:13] <pschulz01> soren: Thanks.. I was just about to fire up svn.
[12:13] <soren> pschulz01: :)
[12:13] <soren> np
[02:08] <kraut> moin
[02:39] <sommer> morning
[03:37] <nealmcb> 83 minutes:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[03:47] <paradizelost> hey all, i'm trying to install 6.06 server on a proliant ml350g5, and i press "english" "US English" and it just sits there
[03:49] <paradizelost> hello?
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> be patient
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> in answer to your question: if you press alt+f4, what sort of output do you see?
[03:51] <paradizelost> it keeps scrolling about a usb being connected and then disconnected over and over and over
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you have any usb devices plugged in?
[03:52] <paradizelost> nope
[03:52] <paradizelost> and don't intend to
[03:52] <paradizelost> i started up this time with noapic, should i turn acpi off?
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm wondering if you shoudl disable usb
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> iirc theres an option for it
[03:53] <paradizelost> nouhci probably
[04:11] <paradizelost> looks like possibly an issue with the iLO virtual devices
[04:22] <paradizelost> hmm no luck
[04:22] <paradizelost> disabled USB in the bios
[04:23] <paradizelost> did noapic, nolapic, pci=noacpi,
[04:48] <nealmcb> 10 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[04:56] <heno> See https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/qatracker/subscriptions for server ISO testing registrations
[04:57] <heno> lots of people signed up for i386, less for amd64 and sparc
[05:25] <paradizelost> !vmware
[05:25] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it.   Why doesn't Toyota just play nice?
[05:56] <wolfeySI> ivoks: FORMAT PARTITION AND INSTALL UBUNTU AGAIN? ;)
[05:56] <mralphabet> wolfeySI: do we need to go over how to ask questions nicely in IRC again?
[05:57] <wolfeySI> i'm asking nicely
[05:57] <wolfeySI> i'm just a bit nervous nothing works on server
[05:57] <ivoks> if that's nice, then my answer is 'buy a support'
[05:58] <wolfeySI> is this so hard to ask: what to do to erase all mysql, let it forget it ever was installed and install back?
[05:58] <ivoks> you should remove packages, not config files
[05:58] <ScottK> wolfeySI: People here really do try to help even if it may not feel like it at the moment.
[05:58] <wolfeySI> ScottK: i purged mysql.. however after install it says it cant configure itself
[05:58] <ivoks> since you removed config files by hand, you have to reinstall packages which contain them
[05:59] <mralphabet> there is a force install for apt
[05:59] <ivoks> i would do apt-get --reinstall install mysql-common
[05:59] <ScottK> wolfeySI: Listen to ivoks.
[05:59] <wolfeySI>  apt-get --reinstall install mysql-common
[05:59] <wolfeySI> sorry
[05:59] <ivoks> nice, copy paste... :)
[05:59] <ivoks> sudo rm -rf /
[05:59] <ivoks> :D
[06:00] <wolfeySI> lol
[06:00] <wolfeySI> ivoks: i'm already root
[06:00] <ivoks> did you reinstall mysql-common?
[06:00] <wolfeySI> doesnt help
[06:00] <wolfeySI>  apt-get --reinstall install mysql-common
[06:01] <wolfeySI>  * Stopping MySQL database server mysqld                                                                               [ OK ]
[06:01] <wolfeySI>  * /etc/init.d/mysql: WARNING: /etc/mysql/my.cnf cannot be read. See README.Debian.gz
[06:01] <ivoks> so you've deleted that also by hand
[06:01] <ivoks> ok...
[06:02] <ivoks> go to /var/cache/apt/archives/
[06:03] <ivoks> dpkg --force-confmiss mysql-common mysql-server-5.0
[06:03] <ivoks> uff.. -i
[06:03] <ivoks> dpkg --force-confmiss -i mysql-common mysql-server-5.0
[06:03] <wolfeySI> wait i seriously purged all mysql dependant things now
[06:03] <ivoks> and put *.deb behind name of the package
[06:04] <wolfeySI> ahh still same
[06:04] <ivoks> hopefully, you have only one deb for each :)
[06:04] <wolfeySI> nope
[06:04] <wolfeySI> root@x235:/var/cache/apt/archives# dpkg --force-confmiss -i mysql-common.deb mysql-server-5.0.deb
[06:04] <wolfeySI> dpkg: error processing mysql-common.deb (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[06:05] <wolfeySI> dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.0.deb (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[06:05] <ivoks> 18:03 < ivoks> and put *.deb behind name of the package
[06:05] <ivoks> not .deb
[06:05] <ivoks> *.deb
[06:05] <wolfeySI> geez
[06:06] <wolfeySI> okey thx ivoks
[06:06] <ivoks> np
[06:08] <wolfeySI>  * Stopping MySQL database server mysqld                                                                               [ OK ]
[06:08] <wolfeySI>  * Starting MySQL database server mysqld                                                                               [fail]
[06:08] <ivoks> did you change anything in my.cnf?
[06:09] <ivoks> you know you shouldn't change it?
[06:09] <ivoks> there is conf.d directory in /etc/mysql/
[06:09] <ivoks> all your configs should go there
[06:09] <soren> The files in there must have a .cnf extension!
[06:09] <soren> Very important, hard learned lesson there :)
[06:10] <ivoks> right
[06:10] <wolfeySI> ivoks: i didnt change anything this time
[06:10] <ivoks> wolfeySI: check /var/log/daemon.log
[06:10] <ivoks> there should be some info about problems
[06:10] <sensei> soren: An RH box on the same IP in the same port on the switch worked just fine
[06:11] <sensei> (and a laptop running windows XP)
[06:11] <soren> sensei: nothing else changed? Not even a network cable?
[06:11] <sensei> soren: The environment is identical
[06:12] <soren> craptastic
[06:12] <sensei> Flushed the ARP for the entire rack after we'd established that it worked, and it picked up a new entry pretty much straight away
[06:12] <ivoks> soren: what's the problem?
[06:13] <soren> A machine that seemed to not respond to arp requests.
[06:13] <soren> You can take a peek at the channel log about 9 hours ago.
[06:15] <ivoks> oh... meeting :/
[06:15] <ivoks> sorry, i forgot
[06:15] <ivoks> again :/
[06:16] <wolfeySI> okey one problem
[06:16] <wolfeySI> i want to keep my old database
[06:16] <wolfeySI> but now new ubuntu script is complaining
[06:16] <wolfeySI> /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
[06:16] <wolfeySI> error: 'Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES)'
[06:17] <wolfeySI> so to what this user must have access?
[06:17] <ivoks> for upgrades of mysql
[06:18] <wolfeySI> grant all on *.* ?
[06:18] <wolfeySI> or what
[06:18] <ivoks> soren: um... where are logs? :)
[06:18] <soren> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[06:19] <ivoks> wolfeySI: yes
[06:19] <ivoks> i need new pair of eyes :D
[06:21] <wolfeySI> finally thx God and you guys
[06:21] <ivoks> sensei: what ubuntu version is that?
[06:24] <sensei> ivoks: 7.04 I think
[06:27] <wolfeySI> can i just turn off this debian mysql startup thin
[06:40] <ivoks> very strange
[06:41] <ivoks> sensei: if router doesn't have arp for those computers, then it's router's fault
[06:41] <ivoks> router should return who-has answer to client
[06:41] <ivoks> it would be great if you could debug router
[06:42] <wolfeySI> i guess you could on some
[06:42] <wolfeySI> i have Linksys WRT54GL... since i can install non-cisco firmware, you could
[06:42] <wolfeySI> power of linux
[06:43] <wolfeySI> thx guys.. new server works so much better than old
[06:43] <wolfeySI> and all data and most of config safely copied
[06:43] <wolfeySI> :)
[06:44] <mralphabet> wolfeySI: You seem to have things working again, what was the change that made it work for you?  You seem to have went from Start: FAIL to asking about db's so I am just curious . . .
[06:44] <wolfeySI> before poor pentium 3 600 mhz tried to work.. now xeon 2.4
[06:44] <wolfeySI> mralphabet: mm my old my.cnf and new ubuntu mysql my.cnf had mysql.sock in different directories
[06:44] <wolfeySI> so mysql start failed
[06:44] <wolfeySI> that was most of the problem
[06:45] <wolfeySI> took me a while
[06:45] <wolfeySI> so it said mysql.sock does not exist, but i cant bind to port 3306
[06:45] <wolfeySI> that told me in /var/log/daemon.log
[06:46] <lafuma> hey, does anyone use ISPconfig ?
[06:47] <wolfeySI> i tried to install it... realized it's pointless
[06:47] <lafuma> why is that ?
[06:48] <lafuma> easier to do everything just manually ?
[06:48] <wolfeySI> well main reason was, that compile failed
[06:48] <wolfeySI> now i know i should do apt-get install build-essential
[06:48] <wolfeySI> but then i didnt
[06:49] <lafuma> okay
[06:49] <wolfeySI> lafuma: now i come here crying to help cause my perfect config from old ubuntu didnt work on new
[06:49] <wolfeySI> :)
[06:49] <wolfeySI> and these guys think i should use new configs:)
[06:49] <lafuma> hehee
[06:49] <wolfeySI> but that means work that i did a year ago
[06:49] <wolfeySI> :)
[06:49] <lafuma> just go with the old one ;)
[06:49] <wolfeySI> yes;)
[06:49] <lafuma> less headache
[06:49] <wolfeySI> oh well...
[06:49] <wolfeySI> there was some:)
[06:50] <wolfeySI> apache2.2 seems to be a bit different than 2.0
[06:50] <lafuma> what are you running ?
[06:50] <lafuma> on your server
[06:50] <wolfeySI> apache, mysql, postfix, courier
[06:50] <lafuma> nice
[06:50] <lafuma> maybe you can somewhat help me
[06:50] <lafuma> i have to set up damn 30-40 mail accounts on postfix
[06:50] <lafuma> on 5 different domains
[06:50] <lafuma> never touched that thing
[06:51] <wolfeySI> well i did it mostly according to http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/
[06:51] <wolfeySI> i skipped some antispam things i dont think are worth my pain
[06:51] <wolfeySI> this tutorial does with mysql user database and 'virtual' mail boxes
[06:51] <wolfeySI> and imap
[06:51] <lafuma> yeah, nowadays mail clients have spam filters built in ;)
[06:51] <lafuma> nice
[06:52] <lafuma> thats exactly what i need
[06:52] <wolfeySI> dunno how updated it is
[06:52] <ivoks> wolfeySI: that's not what we said
[06:52] <wolfeySI> but... it worked for me (with some trial and error)
[06:52] <ivoks> i've said you shouldn't touch my.cnf
[06:52] <wolfeySI> ivoks: you said i'm impolite to you
[06:52] <wolfeySI> :)
[06:52] <lafuma> 2006 end
[06:52] <ivoks> and put your config in conf.d/
[06:52] <ivoks> files in conf.d overwrite configs set by my.cnf
[06:53] <wolfeySI> ivoks: i'll do that in a year when disk dies
[06:53] <wolfeySI> :
[06:53] <wolfeySI> :)
[06:53] <ivoks> just don't come here again when upgrade of mysql overwrites default my.cnf
[06:53] <ivoks> :)
[06:53] <wolfeySI> ivoks: but is it just my impression
[06:53] <wolfeySI> or gentoo is actually easier to configure than ubuntu?
[06:54] <wolfeySI> cause gentoo doesnt try to be smart in debian-way
[06:54] <ivoks> i'ts hard when you force logicA on logicB
[06:54] <ivoks> that's why there are so many windowse users, while linux is much better
[06:54] <wolfeySI> it seems problem with binary distributions... if you dont do it their way, they are angry
[06:54] <ivoks> if you understand debian logic, you will find benefits of it
[06:55] <wolfeySI> that's why i left fedora world forever and switched to gentoo for my home pc
[06:55] <ivoks> tell me, what happens when you upgrade mysql on gentoo?
[06:55] <ivoks> and there are some changes in my.cnf
[06:55] <ivoks> you get two files
[06:55] <wolfeySI> it asks me what to do
[06:55] <ivoks> and you should manually pick new things from new my,cnf
[06:56] <ivoks> on ubuntu, if you put you my.cnf in conf.d, no one asks you anything, and everything works
[06:56] <wolfeySI> oh now i remember where i was mosty angry at ubuntu
[06:57] <wolfeySI> ubuntu by default blocks cups web interface, cause i should do it from gnome?!
[06:57] <wolfeySI> i had to find out to which group user must be added
[06:57] <wolfeySI> so i could use web interface
[06:57] <ivoks> that's not true?
[06:57] <wolfeySI> it is
[06:57] <wolfeySI> at least for admin part
[06:57] <ivoks> i'm in ubuntu printing team :)
[06:57] <wolfeySI> by default you cant log in as cups admin
[06:57] <ScottK> wolfeySI: That's probably just a side effect of Ubuntu changing CUPS to not run as Root.  That IMO was a very good decision from a security perspective.
[06:58] <ivoks> as on any distribution, users in lpadmin group have all the rights
[06:58] <wolfeySI> ivoks: root doesnt
[06:58] <wolfeySI> that troubled me
[06:58] <wolfeySI> oh and one another
[06:58] <wolfeySI> if i'm in Xwin... and i in console 'su root'
[06:58] <ivoks> root also
[06:58] <wolfeySI> root cant use my desktop for programs
[06:58] <wolfeySI> some security thing
[06:59] <wolfeySI> so i cant do sudo kate
[06:59] <wolfeySI> i must do kde-su kate
[06:59] <ivoks> that's on all distros :D
[06:59] <lafuma> is there something similar to ISPconfig, that can handle my apache and postfix ?
[06:59] <lafuma> over web
[06:59] <ivoks> what's wrong with ispconfig?
[07:00] <lafuma> i'm just too damn dumb to use it
[07:00] <lafuma> i couldnt get email accounts working
[07:00] <ivoks> :)
[07:00] <wolfeySI> ivoks: nope
[07:00] <lafuma> also it indicated me that none of the services worked "offline" although they were running
[07:00] <wolfeySI> in gentoo i can be in Xorg as user and when i run something as root, it appears on Xorg
[07:00] <wolfeySI> because i have no security manager for Xorg?! ;)
[07:00] <lafuma> i would gladly use it, if you have time to answer to some of my questions
[07:00] <ivoks> wolfeySI: then gentoo has security problems
[07:00] <ScottK> lafuma: For getting Postfix and Email working, my recommendation is to buy a copy of "The Book of Postfix" and work from that.
[07:01] <wolfeySI> ivoks: well gentoo is not automatic... you do what you want
[07:01] <ivoks> lafuma: ispconfig on ubuntu is 5 minutes work
[07:01] <ivoks> lafuma: i have it and it works great... i even have uptime of 200 days with it
[07:01] <lafuma> heh
[07:01] <lafuma> i got it working
[07:01] <lafuma> ofcourse
[07:01] <lafuma> but it has some errors
[07:01] <lafuma> and i have no clue why
[07:02] <lafuma> brb
[07:04] <wolfeySI> ivoks: one stupid question
[07:04] <wolfeySI> do you know how to add a custom service at boot? let's say more user level, after most is loaded
[07:04] <wolfeySI> i remember having it in /etc/rc2.d
[07:04] <wolfeySI> as S99MyService
[07:04] <wolfeySI> is that ok?
[07:05] <ivoks> you should create init script in /etc/init.d/
[07:05] <ivoks> and then use update-rc.d
[07:05] <ivoks> or you can do it like you did
[07:05] <wolfeySI> yeh but there was some command
[07:05] <wolfeySI> to add it
[07:05] <ivoks> to add it where?
[07:05] <ivoks> runlevel?
[07:05] <wolfeySI> to init scripts
[07:05] <wolfeySI> yes
[07:06] <ivoks> as i said, create a script in /etc/init.d/mambojambo
[07:06] <ivoks> update-rc.d mambojambo defaults
[07:06] <wolfeySI> but then i must do some scripting for start restart stop
[07:06] <ivoks> well, of course
[07:07] <wolfeySI> i want it simple
[07:07] <wolfeySI> just that it loads
[07:07] <wolfeySI> rc.local would do too
[07:07] <ivoks> or rc.local, yes
[07:08] <wolfeySI> i have some lovely java programs written for us
[07:09] <wolfeySI> so boss can add product images for web shop from java.. click... it is sent to server and thumbnails are created by imagemagick
[07:09] <wolfeySI> i'm more java expert than linux admin
[07:09] <wolfeySI> but.. what can i do
[07:09] <wolfeySI> :)
[07:10] <ivoks> you should buy support for linux then :D
[07:11] <ivoks> and since you live very near me, i would be happy to sell it some support contracts :D
[07:15] <lafuma> ivoks: do you know what might be the reason that ispconfig shows most of the services "offline"
[07:15] <lafuma> only mysql seems to be online
[07:16] <lafuma> according to ispconfig
[07:16] <ivoks> what version of ubuntu do you have?
[07:16] <lafuma> 7.04
[07:16] <lafuma> i followed some tutorial
[07:16] <lafuma> sec, i'll find a link
[07:16] <ivoks> there's a great howto on howtoforge.org
[07:17] <lafuma> http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_ubuntu704
[07:17] <lafuma> this one
[07:17] <lafuma> did everything exactly step-by-step
[07:17] <lafuma> no errors on the way
[07:18] <ivoks> which version of ispconfig?
[07:18] <lafuma> the newest
[07:18] <ivoks> and it shows apache as offline?
[07:19] <lafuma> yes
[07:19] <ivoks> but apache is working?
[07:20] <lafuma> yes
[07:20] <lafuma> otherwise i couldnt see ispconfig ;)
[07:21] <ivoks> um... no
[07:21] <ivoks> ispconfig uses its own apache
[07:21] <lafuma> oh
[07:21] <lafuma> damn
[07:21] <ivoks> which listens on :81
[07:21] <ivoks> distribution's apache is something else
[07:21] <ivoks> you will host web sites with apache from distribution
[07:22] <lafuma> okay
[07:22] <ivoks> apache in ispconfig is only for administration of ispconfig, webmail, and stuff like that
[07:23] <lafuma> got it
[07:24] <lafuma> that doesnt fix my problem tho
[07:24] <ivoks> i guess you didn't follow that howto :)
[07:24] <ivoks> i bet you skiped this part:
[07:25] <lafuma> the mail setting part in ispconfig ?
[07:25] <ivoks> We need a DNS and LAMP server, but nevertheless I don't select any of them now because I like to have full control over what gets installed on my system. We will install the needed packages manually later on
[07:25] <lafuma> nah m8
[07:25] <lafuma> i didnt skip it ;)
[07:25] <ivoks> so, you have apache2 installed?
[07:25] <lafuma> i do
[07:25] <ivoks> then start it
[07:25] <lafuma> its working
[07:27] <ivoks> and still offline in ispconfig?
[07:27] <lafuma> yes
[07:29] <ivoks> interesting...
[07:30] <lafuma> indeed
[07:31] <ivoks> you should ask people in #ispconfig
[07:31] <lafuma> hehe
[07:31] <ivoks> some intenal checking in ispconfig doesn't work
[07:31] <lafuma> there isnt anyone in that channel
[07:31] <ivoks> heh
[07:31] <lafuma> i checked it before joining this channel ;)
[07:37] <ivoks> uff... ispconfig's code is complicated :/
[07:38] <ivoks> so, when you go to http://localhost, it shows ispconfig default page?
[07:57] <lafuma> ivoks: exactly
[07:59] <ivoks> ask at ispconfig's mailing list
[07:59] <ivoks> i can't debug it now, cause i have to go
[08:00] <lafuma> ok
[08:00] <lafuma> thanks for your help
[08:00] <ivoks> np
[09:01] <wolfeySI> Morning wolfey
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[09:01] <wolfeySI> heung puklek
[09:01] <wolfeySI> http://kristd.com/
[09:01] <wolfeySI> i love spam:)
[09:07] <gamble6x> lol
[09:07] <wolfeySI> i talked to schoolmate at university about this spam about penis enlargment
[09:07] <wolfeySI> he said, it aint too bad, they recommend me to enlarge boobs as well
[09:22] <wolfeySI> enjoy folks and thanx a lot for help
[10:11] <ScottK> Three cheers for soren.
[10:13] <mathiaz> How could I test if the print server task is installed successfully ?
[10:14] <mathiaz> (I'm adding a testcase for the print server task)
[10:17] <ScottK> soren: Now that you're a core-dev, would you be up for helping me with some source backports?
[10:45] <heno> mathiaz: looks good, will you add mailserver as well? I don't think we'll add those categories to the tracker until after beta
[10:45] <mathiaz> heno: I'm in the process of doing so.
[10:45] <heno> great
[10:45] <mathiaz> heno: I've just installed all the tasks and need to figure out what can be tested.
[10:46] <heno> ok
[10:56] <ajmitch> soren: good work on core-dev
[11:06] <nealmcb> soren: congrats
[11:06] <ajmitch> nealmcb: thanks for raising the point about meeting times :)
[11:11] <nealmcb> ajmitch: np  I'm all for getting more folks involved
[11:11] <nealmcb> ajmitch: you should suggest a time to get the ball rolling
[11:11] <ajmitch> 3AM just hasn't been a convenient time
[11:17] <mathiaz> ajmitch: dendrobates suggested moving the meeting earlier. I thought about later instead. What would you prefer ?
[11:19] <ajmitch> earlier is easier, but it depends on how much later or earlier
[11:19] <ajmitch> would +- 12 hours work?
[11:19] <nealmcb> I was thinking we could leave one meeting as is, and have another (alternate weeks) at a different time, e.g. 12 hours off
[11:20] <ajmitch> nealmcb: we try & do that for MOTU
[11:20] <nealmcb> what times do you use?
[11:21] <mathiaz> well if we do +12, europeans won'T make it.
[11:21] <ajmitch> 12:00UTC
[11:21] <ajmitch> so we vary between 0 & 12 UTC on a friday
[11:22] <ajmitch> there's not much point having a meeting if there's only going to be a couple of people there who aren't usually involved
[12:01] <lafuma> what might be the problem if postfix recives the emails just fine, but doesnt send
[12:15] <ScottK> lafuma: Pastebin the relevant log entries and we can have a look.


[08:44] <boospy|2> hi :)
[08:45] <boospy|2> i have an Problem with an new installation of Edubuntu 12.04
[08:45] <boospy|2> LTSP work, but the LTS.conf is completly ignored
[08:46] <boospy|2> i have running some produktive systems they are up to date and they work correctly
[08:47] <boospy|2> has anyone an idea what can be? It is not the Squasfs. I copyied one working Squasfs and it is the same
[09:47] <boospy|2> The Path is under /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
[09:47] <boospy|2> was the path changed?
[11:59] <skaet> hiya highvoltage,  is Edubuntu participating in Alpha 1 next week?
[12:06] <highvoltage> skaet: hey! probably not
[12:06] <highvoltage> skaet: how are things?
[14:06] <skaet> highvoltage, going well.   Thanks.  :-)
[14:07] <skaet> highvoltage, ok.  will mark down Edubuntu as not participating in this alpha
[14:13] <highvoltage> skaet: great, thanks