[01:11] <rsalveti> rcn-ee: on-line?
[01:11] <rsalveti> about beagle xm
[01:33] <rsavoye> rcn-ee: back from vacation ?
[02:50] <rcn-ee> hey rsavoye back.. ;) power lines went..
[02:50] <rsavoye> everybody wants XM fixes. :-)
[02:51] <rsavoye> TI is sending me another XM board, hopefully without the RAM problem, so real soon I'll be ready for more testing. :-)
[02:51] <rcn-ee> i bet they do.. ;)  Fingers crossed on getting one on monday. .;)
[02:56] <rsavoye> I'll send you my flakey one:-)
[02:57] <rcn-ee> that's okay i got a good collection of broken beagles. ;)
[02:57] <rsavoye> also got an iMX51 coming tomorrow.
[02:58] <rsavoye> Genesis is giving them to developers, if you don't have one yet
[02:58] <rcn-ee> i was playing around with an imx51 based system last month, someone needs to take that git tree by the hornes and fix it.. i know freescale wont'..
[02:58] <rsavoye> hope you had a few good days off
[02:59] <rsavoye> so I assume Maverick won't run on it, but it ships with a hacked up lucid
[02:59] <rcn-ee> oh, i've just been busy this week... ;) lots of testing the gpio stuff to finally fix the 'ro' issues in 2.6.35.. going to post v6 to linux-omap later..
[03:03] <rsalveti> rcn-ee: I'm building with my custom v6 version now to test on my xM
[03:03] <rsalveti> didn't test my xM yet :-)
[03:04] <rsalveti> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=rsalveti/ubuntu-maverick.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/rsalveti-master
[03:04] <rsalveti> it's just finishing the build, takes quite a while =\
[03:04] <rcn-ee> yeah, about 6 hours. .;)
[03:05] <rcn-ee> i'm about 95% sure that one will get pulled and put in tmind's tree. ;)
[03:05] <rsavoye> I've got an OpenJDK test that's been running for 4 days... and still not done
[03:05] <rsalveti> ouch
[03:06] <rsavoye> it's my third try to even see if if actually finishes...
[03:08] <Martyn> Hey there Rob :)
[03:08] <rcn-ee> rsavoye, is that on a c4 or igepv2?
[03:08] <rcn-ee> hey Martyn how's it going..  Still fun stuff happening at smoothstone. ;)
[03:08]  * Martyn has a CortexA9 compile farm now :)
[03:08] <Martyn> smooth-stone, yeah :)
[03:08] <rsavoye> a babbage board sitting in a closet in Sweden someplace
[03:08] <Martyn> (the - is important, we're even being SUED over it.. sheesh)
[03:09] <rcn-ee> ah crap...  someone wants to stop innovation and forward progres...
[03:09] <Martyn> rsavoye : if you give me a git tree to pull from, I can do a clone and compile it...
[03:09] <rsavoye> that's what I want. distcc on a rack of arms
[03:09] <Martyn> rsavoye : Not quite a "rack" of em, but we do have a lot of Versatile Express hardware
[03:10] <rsavoye> Martyn: for OpenJDK ?
[03:10] <Martyn> and other CortexA9 boards
[03:10] <rsavoye> any remote access :-)
[03:10] <Martyn> oh, I thought you were doing kernel compiles :)
[03:10] <Martyn> rsavoye : No :)  That firewall is airgap.
[03:10] <rsavoye> no, testing rcn-ee's kernel builds on an XM
[03:11] <rsavoye> right now I'm deep in fixing the ARM assembler for OpenJDK, but running the tests is slow
[03:11] <Martyn> I bet
[03:11] <Martyn> Shark is very bad at the moment
[03:11] <rsavoye> but I'd bet rcn-ee would love a faster build
[03:11] <rsavoye> I'm not using shark yet, just fixing the real arm interpreter after a calling convention change broke it a few months ago
[03:12] <rcn-ee> i could.. ;) i finally up'd my main kernel build machine from the 500Mhzish to 600.. ;)
[03:13] <Martyn> Heh
[03:13] <Martyn> I'm clocking around the same (800Mhz) but on a quad core machine
[03:13] <Martyn> and with more of 'em
[03:13] <rcn-ee> it's a little scary in the basement right now.. i need to find room to install my tegra and panda. ;)
[03:13] <Martyn> tegra = ok
[03:13] <Martyn> panda = *shudder*
[03:13] <Martyn> bamboo is a strange creature of a board
[03:14] <rcn-ee> it's a little strange.. ;)
[03:16] <rcn-ee> rsavoye, is your openjdk testing scripted and automated?
[03:16] <rsavoye> yes, "make check" :-)
[03:17] <Martyn> lol
[03:18] <rsavoye> so I'm running the tests on one board in NZ, and gdb on the other one
[03:19] <Martyn> sheesh
[03:19] <rsavoye> hopefully I'll get some hardware in here soon that actually works so I stop begging for remote access
[03:19] <rcn-ee> i think we need to pull kblin in again, he's had some grand schemes of an arm mulitnode build/etc machine. ;)
[03:19] <Martyn> Indeed
[03:20] <Martyn> rsavoye : I'm surprised you need to remote that far to get access to the hardware
[03:20] <rsavoye> there don
[03:20] <rsavoye> 't seem to be many of us here in the US...
[03:21] <rcn-ee> i think there's almost a dozen.. ;)
[03:21] <rsavoye> oh right, you're on this side of the big puddle too
[03:22] <rcn-ee> yeah i just get up early so it looks like i'm europe.. ;)
[03:23] <rsavoye> me too, I like my few hours of intersection with the OpenJDK team in the UK
[03:24] <rcn-ee> and sometimes it's the only way to get things done, otherwise your chasing emails over the next day..
[03:25] <rsavoye> in my case it's useful, as they understand java, and I don't. course they don't know assembler, so we have interesting discussions :-)
[03:25] <rsalveti> interesting :-)
[03:26] <rsavoye> lately we connect someplace in the middle, which works
[03:26] <rsavoye> talking to java guys about assembler is pretty funny though.
[03:27] <rcn-ee> in the back of my mind i've always kinda wondered, does openjdk use the ARM_THUMBEE stuff?
[03:29] <rsavoye> it will when I'm done :-)
[03:29] <rsavoye> after I fix the calling  convention, then comes all the new thumb2 stuff
[03:29] <rsavoye> I have a huge patch for that luckily, but it'll need debugging
[03:30] <rcn-ee> cool! ;)
[03:30] <rsavoye> the point of this is to make java run as fast as possible
[03:31] <rcn-ee> and those builtin java instructions will defintelly help that.. i always thought it was weird the old java instructions in the arm9/etc where so closed..
[03:39] <rcn-ee> okay send v6... i really hope no more changes are needed.. ;)
[06:06] <rsalveti> hm, lots of crashes with my xm =\
[06:06] <rsalveti> probably the memory issue
[06:06] <rcn-ee> but no read only.. ;)
[06:07] <rsalveti> hahah, true :-)
[06:07] <rsalveti> does it work better if I limit the memory at the cmdline?
[06:08] <rcn-ee> umm, i've never tried doing that...
[06:10] <rcn-ee> in your bootarg try half.. "mem=256M"
[06:10] <rsalveti> yeah, that's what I'm trying now
[06:11] <rsalveti> weird, sometimes the kernel does boot
[06:11] <rsalveti> other doesn't even shows the boot log
[06:11] <rsalveti> other some random seg faults haha :-)
[06:11] <rsalveti> memory issues are awesome
[06:11] <rcn-ee> yeah they are a pain...
[06:15] <rsalveti> ok, now just some cool warnings that were happening all the time
[06:16] <rsalveti> [    0.000000] WARNING: at /home/ubuntu/kernel/ubuntu-maverick/arch/arm/mach-omap2/clkt_clksel.c:375 omap2_init_clksel_parent+0xf4/0xf8()
[06:16] <rsalveti> [    0.000000] WARNING: at /home/ubuntu/kernel/ubuntu-maverick/arch/arm/mach-omap2/clkt_clksel.c:194 omap2_clksel_recalc+0xcc/0xf0()
[06:16] <rsalveti> [    0.000000]  (null): no physical address for uart#3, so skipping early_init...
[06:16] <rsalveti> [    0.000000] WARNING: at /home/ubuntu/kernel/ubuntu-maverick/arch/arm/mach-omap2/serial.c:727 omap_serial_init_port+0x88/0x1f8()
[06:16] <rsalveti> probably some missing patches all around
[06:17] <rcn-ee> yeap, the uart#3 stuff isn't in 2.6.36-rc1 either..
[06:19] <rsalveti> rcn-ee: do you know if they are somewhere at least?
[06:19] <rsalveti> or it's something we should fix
[06:20] <rsalveti> rcn-ee: it seems that it does works fine with mem=256M
[06:20] <rcn-ee> cool... stress it fully at that setting.. some of the ideas going around, was the chip select that split the 512 in two halves wasn't correctly working..
[06:21] <rsalveti> yep, that would make sense
[06:23] <rcn-ee> this was the original uart3 fix, it didn't get merged<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for 2.6.36-rc1 the usart changed alot so it needs to be tweaked..
[06:24] <rsalveti> cool, some work for the weekend
[06:24] <rsalveti> :-)
[06:27] <rsalveti> rcn-ee: does your xM works with usb and ethernet?
[06:28] <rsalveti> hm, seems to work now :-)
[06:28] <rcn-ee> yeap, both usb's (otg/ehci), usb Ethernet, hdmi, serial work...  it runs till in run aptitude.. ;)
[06:29] <rsalveti> cool :-)
[06:51] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: sent you an email, about x-loader and u-boot for es2
[06:51] <rsalveti> you can find them at http://people.canonical.com/~rsalveti/maverick/boot/es2/
[07:03] <kblin> morning folks
[07:09] <rsalveti> night! :-)
[07:22] <DanaG> Say, I see we're now getting some stuff marked Linaro.
[07:22] <DanaG> I get that Linaro is some consortium that includes Canonical, but what does that DO for us?
[07:32] <DanaG> Say, and what does "flash-kernel" do on XM?  There's no Flash... does it do SD instead?
[07:38] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flash-kernel/+bug/365053
[07:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 365053 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "On armel (Babbage platform), kernel image upgrading breaks if Ubiquity is instructed not to install a bootloader (affects: 1) (heat: 19)" [Medium,Triaged]
[07:42] <sid> hello
[07:43] <sid> anybody there
[07:43] <DanaG> Flash-kernel is also trying: Erasing Kernel NAND space... + dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mtdblock3 bs=4194304 count=1
[07:43] <andrew_708476> Is there someone that know a little about Ubuntu that can help me
 : hi i dont know much of ubuntu but i can help you
[07:44] <andrew_708476> ok cool
[07:45] <andrew_708476> you know how with Ubuntu firefox comes with it well on firefox I have lost my web browser and can you help me get it back
[07:49] <DanaG> hmm, ubuntu kernel fails on beagleboard: http://pastebin.com/WTjJgxgm
[07:52] <andrew_708476> does anyone know anything about Ubuntu that wont mind giving someone a hand
[07:52] <DanaG> GO in #ubuntu -- this channel is for ARM-specific stuff.
[07:53] <sid> <andrew_708476: ok try to install new firefox browser use following command sudo apt-get install firefox
[07:54] <andrew_708476> thanks
[07:54] <sid> i want to create ubuntu image for arm tell me the exact procedure
[07:54] <andrew_708476> can I add you and chat to you again
[07:54] <sid> ya sure
[07:55] <sid> my id<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:55] <sid> send me request
[07:55] <andrew_708476> thanks I need to unstall firefox first do you know how to do that
[07:56] <andrew_708476> in Ubuntu
[07:56] <sid> ok run command sudo apt-get remove firefox
[07:59] <andrew_708476> its gone
[07:59] <sid> ok now run previous command
[08:00] <andrew_708476> I have to restart be back in a minute
[08:00] <sid> no not required
[08:00] <andrew_708476> ok
[08:01] <andrew_708476> its installing it again
[08:41] <cooloney> ogra: morning, oli, did you guys tested latest daily build omap4 image.
[08:41] <cooloney> it looks like it stops at booting
[09:00] <DanaG> Now if only we could get PowerVR drivers in the repos as nicely as fglrx and nvidia... and if only the danged things had GLX, and not just ES.
[09:01] <ogra> cooloney, yes, we're trying to find out why oem-config doesnt come up since a week
[09:01] <ogra> cooloney, i assume it stops at the X wallpaper ?
[09:03] <cooloney> ogra: oh, no, it stops at just enabled the AppArmor
[09:03] <ogra> after the automatic reboot it does ?
[09:14] <cooloney> let me post you an image
[09:14] <cooloney> ogra: http://people.canonical.com/~roc/IMG_20100820_160409.jpg
[09:14] <ogra> hmm, seems it doesnt reboot
[09:15] <ogra> it should actually reboot at the point where it does the "reboot check" line
[09:15] <ogra> smells like a kernel regression
[09:16] <ogra> GrueMaster, on an up to date panda image, if you call sudo reboot on cmdline, does it do the right thing ?
[09:16] <GrueMaster> I haven't had a chance to get to a cmdline post-update.  System hangs.
[09:17] <cooloney> ogra: did the latest 903.7 kernel work before?
[09:17] <GrueMaster> Same as cooloney.
[09:17] <cooloney> ogra: i didn't try daily build for sometime,
[09:17] <ogra> GrueMaster, hmm, i thought you had a way to at least get a console
[09:17] <GrueMaster> cooloney: The kernel appears fine.  There is something else that appears to be hanging the system.
[09:18] <ogra> GrueMaster, the kernel doesnt seem to work fine if the reboot command cant execute
[09:19] <GrueMaster> ogra: I am running the current kernel now.  And yes, reboot works fine.
[09:19] <GrueMaster> I reboot in between package updates.
[09:19] <ogra> weird
[09:20] <ogra> why doesnt it work from initramfs then
[09:25] <DanaG> argh, es2gears won't run on the powervr.
[09:41] <ogra> hmm, so i downgraded upstart and dbus now, still hangs hard if i start p the system bus
[09:41] <ogra> *up
[09:49] <cooloney> ogra: A3 image works fine.
[09:49] <ogra> cooloney, yes, we know, can you give me the /var/log/jasper.log file from your broken test ?
[09:54] <cooloney> ogra: ok, pls wait for a while
[09:57] <GrueMaster> ogra: I saw the same issue that he is seeing once before, but couldn't reproduce it.
[10:11] <DanaG> argh, stupid SGX.
[10:24] <vstehle> DanaG: which platform are you on?
[10:25] <DanaG> Beagleboard.
[10:25] <DanaG> Exit message has been set to: "PVRShell: Unable to create surface"
[10:25] <DanaG> ... and those stupid powervr demos show that their hardware really is annoying...  with ATI, nvidia, intel, and even all the various open-source 2D things, you use standard OpenGL.   PowerVR?  They use some proprietary .POD, and god-only-knows what.  Their demos don't even compile on x86_32 -- missing make_platform.mak and such.
[10:27] <vstehle> DanaG: Your best option with powervr is OGLES2 it seems.
[10:28] <DanaG> Anyway, my definition of "Useful 3D" is "Runs Compiz".
[10:28] <DanaG> As long as nothing ARM will do that, ARM is not viable for netbooks or such for me.
[10:29] <vstehle> DanaG: does compiz run on something else than OGL? GLES maybe?
[10:29] <DanaG> Nope.
[10:29] <DanaG> Nor can kwin, I believe.
[10:54] <cooloney> ogra: too bad, i failed to find that log file in my SD card, it enters initramfs eventually
[11:07] <DanaG> http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Beagleboard_from_scratch#Run_the_TI_demos
[11:07] <DanaG> ah, fixed my PVR.
[11:18] <persia> So, I got a beagle+zippy, and I connected power, ethernet, USB, and HDMI, and inserted a class 6 Sd with the maverick Alpha 3 image.  I get lights for power and ethernet, but nothing else appears to happen (no video output, no ARP registration on the network).  Any suggestions on how to debug?  I also see nothing on the zippy serial port.
[11:20] <ogra> HDMI ?=
[11:21] <ogra> the beagle doesnt have HDMI, there are only DVI signals on the port
[11:21] <ogra> you dont even see uboot on serial ?
[11:21] <persia> There's a port that fits an HDMI cable
[11:21] <ogra> right
[11:22] <persia> I don't see anything at all.
[11:22] <ogra> its a HDMI port but DVI signals
[11:22] <persia> That's fine: it's wired to an HDMI->DVI-D converter before going to a DVI screen.
[11:22] <ogra> ah, good
[11:23] <ogra> how do you boot ?
[11:23] <ogra> you need to hold down the user button to make the romcode access the SD
[11:23] <persia> S1 or S2?
[11:24] <vstehle> ogra: You are not relying on the u-boot in NAND?
[11:24] <ogra> persia, the one that has "user" written next to it :)
[11:24] <vstehle> ogra: This way you would only need a boot.scr, no MLO, no u-boot
[11:24] <ogra> vstehle, that wouldnt work with XMs
[11:24] <GrueMaster> vstehle: New versions of both.
[11:24] <ogra> nor with pandas
[11:25] <vstehle> ogra: Oh you want a generic solution for OMAP3 & 4? I see...
[11:25] <ogra> yes, thats how our images are designed
[11:25] <vstehle> ogra: Of course; silly me :)
[11:25] <persia> vstehle, I'm not sure I have anything in NAND, or I'd expect to see some serial output
[11:26] <vstehle> persia: "old" beagle for sure say hello on serial, even with no SD
[11:26] <ogra> you should see 40T on the serial port as soon as you fire up the board
[11:26] <ogra> that tells you "i'm alive but have nothing in NAND"
[11:26] <GrueMaster> persia: You need a null modem.
[11:26] <persia> I still have nothing on the serial port, but I've some DVi output now, so I'm happy.  Thanks.
[11:26] <ogra> ah, great
[11:27] <vstehle> persia: strange you have nothing on serial; check cable & config
[11:27] <ogra> you will likely run into mmc issues though
[11:27] <ogra> either it wont find the mmc at all or only have it available in readonly mode
[11:28] <persia> We'll see.  Plymouth is running now.
[11:29] <ogra> plymouth ?
[11:29] <ogra> so it did the resizing already and rebooted ?
[11:29] <persia> Yep.
[11:29] <ogra> hmm, then you dont seem to have mmc issues
[11:29] <persia> It's a very small card :)
[11:29] <ogra> 4G is minimum
[11:30] <cooloney> ogra: too bad, i failed to find that log file in my SD card, it enters initramfs eventually
[11:30]  * ogra will add enough spare space on the image to make it 2.2G big so people dont get the idea to use it on less than 4G cards
[11:30] <ogra> cooloney, the log should be in /dev/.initramfs/
[11:31] <ogra> during the initramfs
[11:31] <persia> Yeah, 4G.  I wouldn't do less, after all the time I spent arguing that supporting 2G was madness :)
[11:31] <ogra> or if you got to the reboot stage it might already have been copied to the rootfs
[11:34] <ogra> persia, if its a normal C4 i'D suggest to immediately create a swap file manually and swapon once ubiquity created the user
[11:34] <ogra> (on a tty while the removal stuff of oem-config runs)
[11:37] <cooloney> ogra: if i ran 'halt' or 'reboot' during initramfs, the log will be gone?
[11:38] <ogra> cooloney, if it went through the second part (that sets up everything) the log should have been copied to the rootfs already
[11:38] <ogra> (that part ends with the "reboot check" message)
[11:38] <persia> ogra, I'm still waiting for something interesting to load over the eye-searing background.  That said, how would I distinguish an abnormal C4?
[11:38] <ogra> persia, you cant, its OOming silently
[11:39] <ogra> persia, though you could be hit by Bug 616581
[11:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 616581 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "oem-config fails to run (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 24)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/616581
[11:40] <NCommander> ogra: I'll pull down the latest dove live when I get back to the hotel and try  and get you anothe rdata point on the dbus issue to confirm if its specific to  pre-installs
[11:40] <ogra> NCommander, great
[11:41] <persia> ogra, Indeed I am :)
[11:41] <ogra> though i just downgraded a daily to the last known working upstart and dbus packages
[11:41] <ogra> persia, just wait until you can hit enter and end up on a rootshell
[11:41] <NCommander> ogra: isn't it nice how easy it is to tweak a pre-installed image ;-)?
[11:41] <ogra> persia, then you can do the setup manually
[11:41] <persia> Indeed.
[11:41] <ogra> NCommander, well, next i'll try to downgrade to the former kernel ...
[11:42] <ogra> NCommander, and *thats* tricky on preinstalled images
[11:42] <ogra> packages are surely a lot easier to change though, i agree
[11:42] <NCommander> ogra: can't you just kick a new uImage into the VFAT and turn it on?
[11:43] <ogra> uImage isnt the prob :)
[11:43] <NCommander> ogra: and respin the uInitrd?
[11:43] <ogra> right you need to respin it
[11:43] <NCommander> ogra: that's not super difficult
[11:44] <ogra> if you cant chroot into the rootfs it is :P
[11:44] <persia> respinning isn't an issue, but it helps if you mount the SD on another armel device to do so...
[11:44] <NCommander> ogra: strip the top 64 bytes of the uInitrd, zcat uInitrd | cpio -ivd
[11:44] <NCommander> change the files yo uneed, then repack, and mkimage
[11:44] <ogra> urgh
[11:44] <ogra> nah
[11:44] <ogra> i prefer to use a clean respin from scratch
[11:45] <NCommander> ogra: that being said, the kernel should still boot if its mismatched; we're not depending on any special modules on OMAP for normal boot last I checked
[11:45] <persia> Clean respin or same-arch chroot is much better than that hack
[11:45] <ogra> right, without input devices etc :P
[11:45] <DanaG> "an hdmi port but DVI signals" -- say, how is that even different?
[11:46] <DanaG> ooh, fbvncserver!
[11:46] <DanaG> http://code.google.com/p/android-vnc/
[11:46] <DanaG> Static one works fine on my non-Android Beagle.
[11:46] <DanaG> Say, now that I don't need Flash... I should try android beagle again.  It's a bummer I couldn't find the danged asix module, though.
[11:48] <persia> DanaG, HDMI can have lots of different signals, but usually includes DVI-D and audio, and may contain one or more serial channels, and perhaps even an ethernet channel.
[11:50] <DanaG> Serial and ethernet?  That'd be spiffy.
[11:50] <DanaG> That serial channel must be how LG makes their receivers and TVs work together.
[11:51] <NCommander> persia: do you plan to be around tonight? I can use your help w/ the libd-i changes
[11:51] <persia> HDMI 1.4 added ethernet.  I think the serial is limited to Consumer Electronics Control messages though, by the spec (although one could conceivably generate non-compliant equipment...)
[11:51] <DanaG> say, I need to ask rcn-ee for kernel headers... since the ubuntu ARM official kernel fails to init omapfb.
[11:52]  * persia refers to the specs for more detail, having only a limited understanding of HDMI
[11:52] <persia> NCommander, probably not more than another hour or two (it's later here than there)
[11:54] <DanaG> argh, ureadahead bails on my thing -- OOM.
[11:54] <persia> Didn't rsalveti have a patch for that?
[11:54] <ogra> dont use the netbook images on less than 512M :)
[11:55] <DanaG> I used the "minimal".
[11:55] <ogra> persia, yes, but Keybuk wasnt available the last days
[11:55]  * persia mumbles "We don't have maintainers in Ubuntu"
[11:55] <DanaG> ah, that android vnc server needs "kbde" -- keyboard emulator.
[11:55] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and what's the deal with Linaro?
[11:55] <DanaG> I know it's a working-group of sorts, but what does it DO for us?
[11:56] <ogra> persia, but we have braches owned by people you cant commit to :P
[11:56] <ogra> DanaG, you know how you can run any x86 machine with the ubuntu -generic kernel ?
[11:56] <persia> DanaG, From my (limited) understanding, it's ARM's linux initiative group doing upstream stuff we can use.
[11:56] <ogra> DanaG, thats one example of things linaro will implement
[11:56] <DanaG> Cool.
[11:56] <DanaG> Either openfirmware-type or UEFI-type could be useful.
[11:57] <DanaG> Though, right now there's a TianoCore for ARM... but no way to really do anything with it.
[11:57] <DanaG> There's no arm grub-efi.
[11:57] <ogra> currently they are working on unifying uboot
[11:57] <persia> ogra, branches are for people who don't know how to use the archive as a VCS.  keybuk wrote a great document explaining how the archive was essentially a VCS.  Plus, james_w set up a VCS that auto-imports anything uploaded, just in case people wanted to use obsolete external VCSs.
[11:58] <ogra> persia, right, but still he is the only one with access to the ureadahead branch
[11:58] <persia> DanaG, There's a few openfirmware implementations for ARM: someone just needs to add support for specific hardware of interest :)
[11:58] <ogra> persia, indeed i could just blindly upload and ignore bzr
[11:59]  * persia is of the opinion that folks using bzr to handle packaging and not following UbuntuDistributedDevelopment guidelines deserve the side effects
[12:02] <cooloney> ogra: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/480892/
[12:03] <cooloney> ogra: this time it stops before initramfs
[12:04] <ogra> cooloney, WOAH !
[12:05] <ogra> that looks really bad
[12:06] <cooloney> i looks like my SD card is not good
[12:06] <cooloney> *it
[12:06] <ogra> no, i see the same on a fresh image here
[12:06] <cooloney> need i try another onw?
[12:06] <cooloney> ok,
[12:06]  * ogra is just done with a test
[12:06] <cooloney> got it
[12:12] <DanaG> oh yeah, I tried btrfs... got lack of fsck.btrfs/
[12:14] <ogra> hmm, so doing an fsck on a freshly dd'ed image doesnt show any errors
[12:14] <ogra> thats weird
[12:15] <michaelh1> Hi there. What's a good filesystem to use on a SD card?  On my 4 GB card I get 17.5 MB/s read.  FAT gives 3.7 MB/s write but ext3 is half that at 1.7 MB/s...
[12:19] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/zR7pepwM
[12:19] <DanaG> that's my problem with -1001-omap.
[12:21] <persia> michaelh1, The best filesystem is one supported by the FTL on the flash card, which is incredibly hard to detect.  All filesystems are bad to some degree, as we don't have raw access to the eraseblocks, and are dealiing with a false abstraction of a block device.
[12:21] <DanaG> Say, I'm wondering if I should make my laptop's ssd be btrfs.
[12:22] <persia> In general, journalling filesystems are less bad.
[12:22] <ogra> DanaG, 1001-omap isnt an ubuntu kernel, talk to the people maintining it :)
[12:22] <persia> DanaG, again, depends on the FTL
[12:22] <DanaG> So -15 is Ubuntu?
[12:24] <DanaG> But the linux-omap package depends on 1002 (which isn't even out yet).
[12:25] <DanaG> Okay, I'll try 15.
[12:25] <ogra> surely not
[12:25] <persia> Hrm?  Any kernel in the archives is inherently an Ubuntu kernel.  Any other kernel isn't.
[12:26] <ogra> persia, we have two omap3 flavours, one is a linaro oen
[12:26] <ogra> linux-omap is ours, linx-linaro-omap is linaros
[12:27] <ogra> or linux-linaro-image-omap
[12:27] <ogra> seems their meta doesnt have a toplevel metapackage
[12:27]  * persia doesn't see how linux-linaro-image-omap isn't an Ubuntu kernel, although it's not the default kernel.
[12:27] <ogra> in any case linux-omap should not depends on the -1001- package (which is linaros)
[12:28] <ogra> if that happens, thats a bug
[12:28] <persia> I agree with that :)
[12:28] <mopdenacker> DanaG: at least ext4 gives much better performance than ext3, according to several tests I made. At least on a SATA disk. And I have no problem using it on eMMC.
[12:29] <mopdenacker> btrfs sounds good too. Now sure how mature it is though. ext4 is definitely mature enough (used in our servers without any issue)
[12:30]  * ogra wonders if lag knows if there were any filesystem driver related changes in the omap4 kernels recently
[12:31] <mopdenacker> DanaG: otherwise, Squashfs rocks for read-ony parts of your fs. It's lightning fast.
[12:31] <ogra> i can fsck the SD card 100 times on x86 without any errors ...
[12:31] <ogra> but as soon as i run it on the üpanda i have lots and loits of filesystem errors
[12:31] <mopdenacker> ogra: perhaps issues in the mmc block drivers?
[12:31] <ogra> mopdenacker, possible
[12:32] <mopdenacker> ... causing corruption after time.
[12:32] <lag> ogra: Not that I'm aware of, but I can check
[12:33] <lag> ogra: So I don't have to read all the backlog, can you briefly tell me what the problem is?
[12:33] <mopdenacker> ogra, do you confirm that your pre-installed images don't support OMAP ES2.0 yet? alpha3 doesn't boot on my Blaze, that's why I suspect this.
[12:34] <ogra> lag, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/480892/ all these fs errors (which i dont get when running fsck on other arches with the same filesystem)
[12:34] <ogra> mopdenacker, right, we only have one es2 yet thats at the QA person
[12:34] <ogra> mopdenacker, so we cant do any development for es2 yet
[12:35] <ogra> lag, so looking at the changelog of the linux-ti-omap4 package it seems there were a lot mmc realted changes
[12:38] <mopdenacker> ogra: thanks! That's an issue. We will address it during the call this afternoon.
[12:39] <ogra> i think the es2's are on their way now
[12:39] <lag> ogra: Nothing's been changed in the past 2 weeks
[12:39] <ogra> lag, there was an upload on the 5th
[12:39] <ogra> and the first image after the 5th was the first one that stopped working
[12:40] <lag> Yes, two weeks ago
[12:40] <lag> So something in that lot has killed your build?
[12:40] <ogra> well, something between the 4th (alpha3) and the 9th (teh first image that was buildable again)
[12:42] <lag> ogra: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-maverick.git;a=commitdiff;h=371114579a7d9c313ff76707fbeff39f0a0a4015
[12:42] <lag> ogra: Take your pick
[12:42] <ogra> lag, well grep for MMC in there
[12:43] <lag> Brain grepping :)
[12:43] <ogra> ha !
[12:43] <ogra> at least i see oem-config again now
[12:43] <ogra> with lots of hacking
[12:43] <lag> 15 MMC changes
[12:43] <ogra> yeah
[12:44] <ogra> it could as well be e2fsprogs
[12:44] <ogra> there was a merge on the 7th
[12:45] <ogra> the new oem-config ui looks nice
[12:46] <ogra> argh
[12:46] <ogra> no more way to set the hostname
[12:46] <ogra> thats bad
[12:46] <lag> ogra: Take a know good kernel (I suggest alpha3) and put it on the daily build image
[12:46] <lag> known*
[12:46] <lag> Then test
[12:47] <lag> If you are greeted with the same results, it's the kernel's fault
[12:47] <lag> If not, blame e2fsprogs
[12:48] <ogra> lag, yeah, its just not that easy :P
[12:48] <lag> ogra: Why isn't it?
[12:48] <persia> initrd
[12:48] <ogra> right
[12:48] <lag> Rebuild that too
[12:49] <lag> Do you want me to rebuild it for you?
[12:49] <ogra> i need to test on a virgin image
[12:49] <ogra> which means it is tricky to get exactly all the changes into the initrd
[12:49]  * lag chuckles "virgin"
[12:49] <lag> Do you have any better ideas?
[12:50] <ogra> not really
[12:50] <lag> :)
[12:50] <ogra> but i'm trying all other opportunities first :)
[12:51] <ogra> and additionally i just got oem-config up so i have to finish that install
[12:52] <lag> k
[12:54] <mopdenacker> ogra: do you have documentation for building your pre-installed images? Our plans are to make such images for our next internal release.
[12:55] <lag> mopdenacker: dd and go
[12:55] <ogra> mopdenacker, not yet and the last two weeks i was held up due to the non-booting images its on my TODO to provide such docs
[12:56] <mopdenacker> ogra: I understand. Thanks. Do the images boot now?
[12:56] <ogra> not really
[12:57] <ogra> i have hacked around some issues though
[12:57] <ogra> but they dont resize the filesystem properly due to all these FS errors
[12:57] <mopdenacker> lag: I wish it was that easy... At least you need to make the installer start...
[12:57] <ogra> and there are odd things going on in oem-config
[12:57]  * ogra takes a break
[12:57] <lag> ogra: I have some scripts that may help you create your initrd file if that's the route you decide to go
[12:58] <persia> ogra, The test-build for the pulse stuff isn7t going to complete before I lose track: I'll send you a patch tomorrow.
[12:58] <lag> mopdenacker: How do you mean?
[12:59] <lag> If you're talking about the Panda/Beagleboard all you have to do is dd the image onto an SD card and put it in
[12:59] <lag> The rest is automated
[12:59] <mopdenacker> lag: Yes, but there are a few special things to do:
[12:59] <lag> mopdenacker: There are?
[12:59] <mopdenacker> lag: - create an image that's just the size that you need.
[13:00] <mopdenacker> (and not the size of the sd card you used)
[13:00] <lag> The installer re-sizes the card for you
[13:00] <lag> Wrong: The image
[13:00] <mopdenacker> - modify the rootfs so that the installer starts and does its job (configure the TZ, create the user, choose the login mode).
[13:00] <mopdenacker> A standard image would just boot.
[13:00] <mopdenacker> without starting the installer.
[13:01] <DanaG> oh yeah, something I found on the rcn-ee maverick minimal: it left dhcp-client-identifier set to "d-i".
[13:01] <lag> The TZ and user creation is done via an intuitive GUI
[13:02] <mopdenacker> lag: I'm taking the developer point of view. If I use a 4 GB SD card for development, my image will be 4 GB big, and will contain plenty of unused blocks at the end.
[13:02] <lag> mopdenacker: Ah, I see
[13:02] <mopdenacker> lag: Yes, no issue from the user perspective ;-)
[13:02] <lag> mopdenacker: You just make the image as small as you can <2GB
[13:03] <mopdenacker> that's why I need Oliver's doc
[13:03] <lag> mopdenacker: Make the installer probe the card and re-size on first boot
[13:03] <lag> I didn't realise Oliver was creating a doc from the developer's angle
[13:03] <lag> ogra: When it's ready can you CC me?
[13:04] <kblin> morning rcn-ee
[13:04] <rcn-ee> morning kblin..
[13:04] <lag> mopdenacker: Nice pic :) http://opdenacker.org/images/michael_opdenacker.jpg
[13:05] <lag> rcn-ee: 6th lucky
[13:05] <lag> rcn-ee: I have everything crossed for you!
[13:05] <DanaG> (05:01:41 AM) DanaG: oh yeah, something I found on the rcn-ee maverick minimal: it left dhcp-client-identifier set to "d-i".
[13:05] <rcn-ee> yeap luckly number 6.. time to ship it.. ;)
[13:05] <DanaG> Oh, and one thing I'm using the user-button function for:
[13:05] <DanaG> alt-boot will load uImage.alt and uInitrd.alt.
[13:06] <rcn-ee> kblin, are you still working on the multi node arm setup?  I think a couple users on this list would be interested in setting up big arm farms build building.. ;)
[13:06] <DanaG> Oh, and that android vnc server works fine with non-android ARM!
[13:09] <rcn-ee> lag now that those patches will be merged, there's a couple old bugs we can tackle, like actually setting up the usb on the C4.. (currently u-boot sets that up..)
[13:10] <lag> rcn-ee: I can't help you with that one
[13:10]  * lag only has Panda & XM
[13:10] <kblin> rcn-ee: I was mostly looking at multi-node storage so far
[13:11] <DanaG> c4 is all I have.
[13:11] <rcn-ee> i think the XM has the same issue, although the older u-boot's that don't set the USB won't boot it.. ;)
[13:11] <kblin> rcn-ee: but a working distcc setup is on my todo list
[13:11] <DanaG> But I'm really interested in that panda.
[13:11] <lag> rcn-ee: Who's Jarkko
[13:11] <rcn-ee> I'm not really sure, he either works for TI or Nokia..
[13:11] <DanaG> say, how stable is btrfs?  Will it at least not silently corrupt things when approaching full?
[13:12] <amitk> lag: rcn-ee: ex-Nokia, audio driver maintainer
[13:12] <kblin> DanaG: dunno, just installed my first maverick VMs with brtfs
[13:12] <lag> amitk: Thanks
[13:12] <kblin> will stress them a little the following days
[13:12] <amitk> lag: got a message for him? :)
[13:13] <DanaG> Specifically, SSD optimizations are what I want.
[13:14] <DanaG> wow, btrfs actually makes my dog-slow cruzer not dog-slow.
[13:14] <lag> amitk: Why? Are you having lunch with him? ;)
[13:15] <amitk> lag: i will, next week :-p
[13:15] <amitk> or I can ask him to get onto irc if you need to chat
[13:17] <lag> amitk: I don't - I just saw that he was helping Robert to upstream his patches
[13:17] <lag> rcn-ee needs lots of help ;)
[13:17]  * lag hopes Robert can take a joke :D
[13:18] <amitk> lol
[13:20] <rcn-ee> just a little.. .;)  i was looking at a coupe other board-omap3* files (such as the touchbook) and it looks like it has the same bug.. (wrong setup wp's..)
[13:21] <lag> rcn-ee: Are we talking about USB again?
[13:21] <lag> The patches you've just submitted?
[13:22] <rcn-ee> this is the 'ro' bug on the mmc that my patches fixed for the beagle..  if i'm write, the touchbook will have the same issue if you boot it with 2.6.35..
[13:23] <GrueMaster> persia: ping - bug 616581 started after alpha 3.
[13:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 616581 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "oem-config fails to run (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 459)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/616581
[13:24] <rcn-ee> ^^^  i've always had to run with atleast 50Mb of swap, no matter the amount of ram.. (128/256/512)
[13:24] <lag> rcn-ee: I'm assuming you don't have the HW to test?
[13:25] <rcn-ee> i do.. ;)  bug i'm missing other touchbook patches so i haven't booted my own kernel yet.. but you guys (ogra) had it working for lucid, so you might run into a 'ro' bug, depending on the logic of pin 23..
[13:26] <ogra> rcn-ee, i had only the upstream dev kernel working
[13:26] <ogra> (ai upstream i mean)
[13:26] <ogra> which iirc was 2.6.32 or so
[13:27] <rcn-ee> okay, cool wasn't sure on which kernel you used...
[13:27] <ogra> it never worked (or even booted) with anything else than the ai kernel trees
[13:32] <mopdenacker> ogra: I tested your -alpha3 pre-installed image on the Beagle RevC2 (256 MB of RAM). UNE us hardly usable. Not enough RAM, I would say....
[13:33] <mopdenacker> Hi robclark! Did you find a Panda (board)?
[13:33] <mopdenacker> Don't hesitate to ask me to test stuff if it can help...
[13:33] <robclark> mopdenacker: no not yet..  still trying to debug other issue on LCD/blaze..
[13:34] <robclark> but I will try to find a panda to use for the weekend
[13:34] <mopdenacker> robclark: great, thanks!
[13:38] <DanaG> ooh, g_nokia is cool, but it leaves the link down!
[13:39] <ogra> mopdenacker, yeah, i would love to no support the C series beagles with these images, but that requires XM to work
[13:45] <DanaG> g_audio gadget: Playback error: -77
[13:45] <DanaG> loops infinitely.
[13:45] <DanaG> Where do you even FIND a panda?  I can't find so much as a single picture, or a press release, about it!
[13:46] <GrueMaster> ogra: So you found the oem-config issue?
[13:47] <vstehle> DanaG: it is not released yet.
[13:47] <DanaG> Ah.  Is the release date under NDA?
[13:47] <ogra> GrueMaster, no, only a symptom
[13:48] <ogra> GrueMaster, the lines in question shouldnt be executed
[13:48] <vstehle> DanaG: yep.
[13:48] <DanaG> Bummer.
[13:49] <DanaG> hmm, can you describe what you ARE allowed to say about it?
[13:49] <vstehle> DanaG: certainly: nothing :)
[13:49] <DanaG> Damn, that sucks.
[13:50] <DanaG> er, s/damn/dang/
[13:50] <mopdenacker> ogra: ouch, do you mean you have issues with the kernel for XM? Or do wish you had an XM?
[13:50] <ogra> mopdenacker, i wish there were stable XMs :)
[13:51] <mopdenacker> ogra: understood :-) BTW, the final version is supposed to start shipping today.
[13:51] <mopdenacker> shipping to distributors at least.
[13:51] <ogra> hmm, i stopped counting how often i heard something similar :)
[13:51] <DanaG> I hope it's at least more comparable to xM than to C4.
[13:51] <ogra> if i see them on sale i'll belive it :)
[13:53] <XorA> TI is using the openmoko schedule for XM and panda :-)
[13:55] <ogra> persia, E: ubiquity-frontend-gtk: arch-independent-package-contains-binary-or-object ./usr/lib/ubiquity/panel
[13:55] <ogra> pfft
[13:56] <ogra> so we try to exec an x86 binary
[13:56] <ogra> GrueMaster, ^^^
[13:56] <ogra> fixing that should at least solve one of the issues
[13:58] <GrueMaster> oops.
[13:59]  * ogra goes for a short break
[14:12] <rsalveti> morning
[14:13] <GrueMaster> rsalveti: morning.
[14:27] <rsalveti> mopdenacker: it seems that prpplague found what is wrong with the kernel and your monitor
[14:28] <rsalveti> seems an issue when calculating the 1280x1024 PLL values
[14:28] <rsalveti> he was going to try a fix today, i guess
[14:28] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: were you able to test your es2?
[14:29] <rsalveti> persia: you can find the ureadahead "fix" at the bug, I sent a branch with it
[14:29] <GrueMaster> Getting to that point.  I've actually had to be interactive with the sprint wrap-up mostly.
[14:29] <rsalveti> persia: also, which zippy did you get?
[14:29] <GrueMaster> I have it all downloaded, just need to swap out es1 for es2 & boot.
[14:30] <rsalveti> cool
[14:30] <mopdenacker> Oi rsalveti ! That's good news!
[16:03] <mopdenacker> Morning prpplague !
[16:07] <ogra> lag, argh
[16:08] <ogra> lag, i think we mixed up a bug, while you were looking at bug 605488 for which i gave you swap file instructions, it should have been bug 605739 instead
[16:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 605488 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "BUG: scheduling while atomic: mmcqd/46/0x00000002 (affects: 1) (heat: 108)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/605488
[16:09] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 605739 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "BUG: Bad page state in process swapper pfn:94d23 (affects: 2) (heat: 119)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/605739
[16:12] <prpplague> mopdenacker: ho ho ho, merry freakin friday!
[16:13] <prpplague> mopdenacker: i think i have the dvi issue nailed down
[16:13] <prpplague> mopdenacker: got to do some more testing this morning
[16:15] <lag> orga: You and I are going to fall out!
[16:15] <lag> ogra: That's another bulk of time you've wasted! Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[16:15] <ogra> lag, i'll compensate that with beer at the next sprint
[16:16] <lag> ogra: That would be a good start ;)
[16:16] <lag> ogra: Thanks for letting me know
[16:17] <prpplague> beer good
[16:17] <lag> Beer very good
[16:17] <mopdenacker> prpplague: cool! Many thanks!
[16:20] <prpplague> i picked up a couple different hdmi switchers this morning too
[16:20] <prpplague> have a look at geting those working
[16:20] <prpplague> mopdenacker: you have a kernel build environment setup?
[16:21] <mopdenacker> prpplague: I can set it up quickly
[16:21] <prpplague> mopdenacker: you still got the one line patch i posted yesterday?
[16:23] <mopdenacker> prpplague: yes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/480502/
[16:23] <prpplague> mopdenacker: okie dokie, there is another hack we can do for testing
[16:24] <prpplague> mopdenacker: let me get that posted
[16:26] <mopdenacker> prpplague: ouch, the CodeSourcery cross toolchain is sloooow to download.
[16:26] <prpplague> mopdenacker: indeed
[16:26] <prpplague> mopdenacker: http://paste.ubuntu.com/481007/
[16:26] <prpplague> mopdenacker: that's the other patch
[16:26] <prpplague> mopdenacker: let me give you a binary to test
[16:27] <prpplague> mopdenacker: oh wait, are you using a es2 or es1 board?
[16:27] <mopdenacker> prpplague: I have an es1 panda board.
[16:28] <prpplague> mopdenacker: ahh ok, my binaries are for es2
[16:28] <mopdenacker> prpplague: if you have a binary, that'll be quicker.
[16:29] <prpplague> mopdenacker: let me get a es1 build going
[16:32] <mopdenacker> prpplague: great, thanks a lot!
[16:40] <mopdenacker> hey, I'm using the phoronix-test-suite on arm (based on php scripts).
[16:40] <mopdenacker> I'm fed up with these warnings:
[16:40] <mopdenacker> oops, can't copy paste easily.
[16:41] <mopdenacker> Anyway, is the following a bug or a feature:
[16:41] <mopdenacker> dpkg -S /etc/php5/cli/conf.d/gd.ini
[16:41] <mopdenacker> dpkg: /etc/php5/cli/conf.d/gd.ini not found.
[16:42] <mopdenacker> Shouldn't every file that exist be in a package? Perhaps that's a generated file and that's acceptable...
[16:42] <ogra> do you have php5-gd installed ?
[16:42] <mopdenacker> ogra: yes I do.
[16:42] <ogra> well, it might be that the postinst script generates it
[16:43] <mopdenacker> ogra: yes, probably. I'll check this out. Thanks.
[16:47] <GrueMaster> rsalveti: I am currently getting hangs from your xloader.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/481014/
[16:48] <ogra> wow thats odd
[16:48] <ogra> it usually hangs a lot earlier
[16:48] <ogra> having a hang message after the kernel is up is something i havent seen yet
[16:50] <GrueMaster> It is fairly immediate.
[16:51] <ogra> well. it happens at a point where the kernel should have taken over already
[16:57] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: weird, that generally happens to me when my uInitrd is broken
[16:59] <rsalveti> prpplague: did yo ever see this?^
[16:59] <rsalveti> I built the x-loader and u-boot from es2 banch from gitorious
[16:59] <ogra> and the kernel ?
[17:00] <ogra> wasnt it that the es2 wont run with the es1 kernel ?
[17:02] <prpplague> rsalveti: let me look
[17:02] <rsalveti> ogra: I created my own, with es2 patches on top of ubuntu kernel
[17:02] <ogra> ah
[17:02] <rsalveti> thats why I askes GrueMaster to test
[17:02] <ogra> i was just wondering i fan es1 kernel might be able to cause that
[17:02] <ogra> *if an
[17:03] <prpplague> rsalveti: that happens with the kernel returns, which usually means something on the image startup failed, you can enable earlyprintk's to get more details as to the cause
[17:03] <GrueMaster> I am remaking uImage & uInitrd now, but I had installed rsalveti's kernel package.
[17:04] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: es2 package, right?
[17:04] <GrueMaster> yes.
[17:04] <rsalveti> hm
[17:07] <rsalveti> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=rsalveti/ubuntu-maverick.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/rsalveti-ti-omap4-es2
[17:07] <rsalveti> the tree I used
[17:08] <rsalveti> argh, my N900 is very slow :)
[17:09] <prpplague> mopdenacker: got some place me to upload the image to?
[17:09] <GrueMaster> Ok, working now.  Must have clobbered uInitrd or something.
[17:10] <rsalveti> cool
[17:10] <GrueMaster> Eww.  No USB.
[17:10] <ogra> heh, did the kernel pass lag at some point ?
[17:11] <rsalveti> mopdenacker: let me know if the patch works for you, cause then I can put it at my tree and build a new package
[17:11] <GrueMaster> heh
[17:11] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: can you paste the boot?
[17:11] <prpplague> rsalveti: that patch is just for testing
[17:12] <GrueMaster> Yes. just a sec.
[17:12] <rsalveti> oh, ok :)
[17:12] <prpplague> mopdenacker: http://www.elinux.org/images/2/2f/UImage-test-panda.bin
[17:12] <mopdenacker> prpplague: cool, thanks a lot!
[17:12] <prpplague> mopdenacker: that is a minimal kernel to test the dvi support
[17:16] <GrueMaster> rsalveti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/481025/
[17:17] <mopdenacker> prpplague: I owe you a beer when we meet in Cambridge at ELC-E. IT WOOOOORKS!
[17:17] <mopdenacker> Yooohoo!
[17:17] <prpplague> mopdenacker: hehe
[17:18] <prpplague> mopdenacker: ok i need to do some digging for a more reasonable fix
[17:18] <prpplague> mopdenacker: atleast we know the root of the problem
[17:18] <GrueMaster> I'm being informed that I need to start packing up.  We're getting booted from the room at 6 and I have a lot to pack (typical for mobile)
[17:19] <mopdenacker> Great! Thanks again!
[17:19] <rsalveti> cool, no oops at least
[17:20] <rsalveti> GrueMaster: good luck and have a nice trip back home :)
[17:21] <mopdenacker> Well, it does oops, but that's probably elsewhere. prpplague told us it's a minimal kernel. At least the fb looks great.
[17:21] <mopdenacker> The oops happens loading the initramfs
[17:28] <GrueMaster> rsalveti: As a final note, OTG fails to be detected as well.  "May" be a hw issue.
[17:29] <rsalveti> hm
[17:30] <GrueMaster> I'll look at it more in depth next week.
[17:41] <lag> ogra: Eh?
[17:50] <lag> robclark: ping
[17:51] <robclark> lag:  pong
[17:52] <lag> robclark: Hey Rob, how are you?
[17:52] <robclark> oh, alright
[17:52] <lag> robclark: That doesn't sound too promising :)
[17:53] <lag> robclark: Have you met my friend mpoirier?
[17:53]  * robclark would be better when he gets his panda back ;-)
[17:53] <mpoirier> robclark: hello
[17:53] <lag> robclark: He was sitting opposite me in Prague
[17:53] <robclark> hi mpoirier
[17:53] <robclark> ahh, ok
[17:53] <lag> He was wondering about your readedid patches
[17:54] <lag> He's doing something similar for us
[17:54] <robclark> ahh, ok
[17:54] <lag> mpoirier: All yours
[17:54] <mpoirier> lag: thanks.
[17:54] <robclark> mpoirier: go ahead and ask away
[17:54] <mpoirier> rob,
[17:55] <mpoirier> I just spent a week trying to read the edid with my beagleboard.
[17:55] <mpoirier> finally had to add an entry for the eeprom driver in board-omap3beagle.c
[17:55] <mpoirier> works great right now.
[17:55] <mpoirier> decode-edid recognise my monitor flawlessly.
[17:56] <mpoirier> I did all this 'cause I couldn't find a get-edid in the arm package.
[17:56] <robclark> ahh, cool... I didn't even realize beagle had hw connected to read edid
[17:56] <mpoirier> lag tells me it has been implemented and you're the magician.
[17:56] <robclark> get-edid doesn't exist on arm
[17:56] <robclark> what I did was add a sysfs file
[17:57] <mpoirier> interesting...
[17:57] <robclark> so you could run: parse-edid /sys/devices/display0/edid  (or something roughly like that)
[17:57] <mpoirier> humm...
[17:57] <mpoirier> here is what I did.
[17:58] <robclark> fwiw, here is the patch to add the sysfs file: http://gitorious.org/~robclark/pandaboard/robclarks-kernel-omap4/commit/12fa02c44710ee3c379d0ce2d18811b2a80bec1f
[17:58] <mpoirier> Ok, i'll look at it.
[17:58] <mpoirier> on the other hand, here is what I did:
[17:59] <mpoirier> 1) added an 'i2c_board_info' entry in board-omap3beagle.c
[17:59] <mpoirier> this adds an entry in sysfs: /sys/bus/i2c/devices/3-0050
[17:59] <mpoirier> under 3-0050 you find 'eeprom'.
[17:59] <mpoirier> from there, I simply call decode-edid.
[18:00] <mpoirier> what do you think ?
[18:00] <robclark> ok..
[18:00] <robclark> well, I guess the dss driver, somewhere, needs to get at the EDID in order to utilize it to set the display..
[18:01] <mpoirier> yes
[18:01] <robclark> so at that point it would make sense to expose as a display sysfs file.. I guess that would make life a bit easier for userspace so it didn't have to know which i2c device..
[18:01] <mpoirier> I proceeded in user space 'cause it was a requirement from the arm team.
[18:02] <mpoirier> I'll look at your approach - you're propably getting the perfect settings right away from the drivrer
[18:02] <robclark> hmm.. ok..  well, it seems like it would be nice to have framebuffer working before you boot up far enough to get into userspace..
[18:02] <rsalveti> yep, a sysfs file would be easier to port, but needs to be somehow a standard
[18:02] <robclark> yeah
[18:02] <mpoirier> I didn't want to dive in the driver.
[18:03] <mpoirier> thanks robclark for the tutoring session.
[18:03] <robclark> probably in some dss related struct in the board file, we'd need to add whatever info is needed to get the edid..
[18:03] <robclark> but probably we should chat w/ mythripk too..
[18:03] <robclark> since there will be some cleanup underway in hdmi driver..
[18:04] <rsalveti> yeah, there are two ways to use the edid, one is in the driver, to automatically set the resolution and the other to show it so we can set up the correct boot args
[18:04] <robclark> anyways.. adding the sysfs file is probably the easy part.. the bigger thing I guess is figuring out how to make the hdmi driver know where to find the EDID
[18:05] <mpoirier> yes indeed.
[18:05] <mpoirier> requires to get intimate with the driver itself.
[18:05] <rsalveti> at our blueprint we wanted to at least get the values to set it up after the first boot
[18:05] <rsalveti> after the installation
[18:07] <robclark> I guess for temporary solution.. if you can figure out what kind of board you are on in the installer, then you could know to go read under i2c driver in sysfs and use parse-edid
[18:07] <robclark> of course better solution would be for driver to figure things out for itself.. because you might unplug one monitor and plug in a different one..
[18:08] <rsalveti> yep, that would work
[18:08] <rsalveti> true
[18:08] <robclark> (and even better solution would be able handle that at runtime.. although that is far from perfect on panda either)
[18:09] <mpoirier> robclark: do you get some sort of interrupt when a monitor is plugged in ?
[18:09] <mpoirier> is there a notification mechanism ?
[18:09] <robclark> mpoirier: yeah, there is a hpd (hot plug detect) interrupt..
[18:09] <mpoirier> ah.
[18:09] <mpoirier> an entry should probably have to get in there too.
[18:09] <robclark> well.. the beagle has different HDMI IP probably.. actually, I don't really know what beagle has..
[18:09] <robclark> yeah
[18:10]  * robclark has to get lunch..
[18:10] <robclark> bbl
[18:10] <mpoirier> robclark: thanks.


[00:14] <GridCube> :(
[00:14] <GridCube> my computer is all crashing again
[00:48] <Nalleman> Hi, dark theme? how to get  menu background etc. in a more plesant color?
[00:51] <Unit193> Use MediterraneanDarkest?
[00:52] <Nalleman> Unit193, Is it a download?
[00:52] <Unit193> Yes.
[00:53] <Nalleman> So, then the question where to download themes :)
[00:53] <Nalleman> and how to install
[00:54] <larrypg> Nalleman, xfce-look.org
[00:55] <Nalleman> larrypg, thanks!
[01:07] <Nalleman> Where to save the theme files, or how to find where?
[01:08] <drc> Nalleman: The easiest place is ~/.themes, you may have to create it.
[01:09] <Nalleman> drc, ok. then the theme manager have a look there and check what I have customised?
[01:10] <drc> I've never used the theme manager, but I would suspect so.
[01:10] <Nalleman> drc, how do you choose your theme then?
[01:11] <drc> Settings>Appearence>Style...but I just use ochosi's default greybird
[01:12] <drc> Depending on what you're using, you may have to use Settings>Window Manager>Style also
[01:15] <Nalleman> drc, ok. that whas what I thought of as "theme manager" :)
[01:16] <drc> Oh OK, sorry then.
[01:17] <Nalleman> np, my enlish is a bit fussy so sometimes I cant express myself
[01:19] <drc> Your English is fine, names especially can be tricky, I've seen two people trying to help/het help go crazy simply because one person called it X and the other Y and neither knew what the other was talking about :)
[01:22] <larrypg> Nalleman, have you tried...http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php?content=149647 ?
[01:23] <larrypg> Nalleman, that has to do with xfce-theme manager
[01:24] <Nalleman> hehe :) Well, now the problem is that the theme does not show up in "Settings>Appearence>Style" even though I put them in .themes directory
[01:24] <Nalleman> larrypg, no, will have a look
[01:26] <Nalleman> maybe log off/ log on will do?
[01:27] <Nalleman> I will have a try, brb
[01:29] <indy_> how do i customize my xubunty 14.04 desktop? any goo ideas?
[01:31] <Nalleman> nope, I can't load the extracted themes.
[01:31] <drc> Nalleman: ok, the theme is in ~/.themes?
[01:33] <larrypg> Nalleman, just another place to look...http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/install_new_themes
[01:34] <Nalleman> drc. well. sorry, i found that they where actually in the "window manager", talking about x and y :)
[01:35] <drc>  :)
[02:25] <chrispage1980> So the device I'm using is Logitech K400r - Hold down the blue funtion key and the left trackpad key simultaneously. - No software required, OS is irrelevant.
[02:26] <chrispage1980> Same again to turn tap to click back on
[02:29] <holstein> chrispage1980: it works "out of the box" for me
[02:39] <share> Xubuntu rocks my socks
[04:50] <gry> i wanted to ask why texworks isn't included by default
[04:50] <gry> it's so much more wonderful and powerful than libreoffice
[05:05] <xangua> neither libreoffice is incluided, but you can install both if you wish can't you¿
[06:20] <xubuntu178> anyone here and can help me to rescue a bit of my windows files
[06:20] <xubuntu178> xubntu have deletet all and installt only xubuntu
[06:21] <xubuntu178> bt i selectet to install xubuntu with windows
[06:29] <goodtime> i did the upgrade on this and it just kept freezeing in like every 10 minutes after bootup
[06:29] <goodtime> so i reinstalled 13.10
[06:29] <goodtime> just fine for days now
[06:31] <goodtime> \sure would have liked to have had the latest LTS though
[06:31] <goodtime> sure*
[09:07] <z4nD4R> Hii all, is here some alive? :P Q: I've changed my sound driver to alsa. Everything works but notify bar by changed volume dissapears... any ideas?
[09:23] <starrats> z4nD4R is that the one up by the clock that is missing?
[09:24] <starrats> damn he quit alreadt
[09:36] <Golynx> hi, i cant seem to find a search tool that is similar to Unity search in Xubuntu. Like when searching for images it just shows a black icon instead of the images. Why is xubuntu so limited when it comes to searching for stuff on he pc ?
[09:39] <starrats> Golynx are you on xubuntu 14.04?
[09:39] <starrats> Are you searching for what's on xubuntu or?
[09:40] <Golynx> starrats: no , i'm still on 12.04 lts . I will get a new dvd with xubuntu 14.04 lts on it in this month
[09:40] <starrats> ah okay
[09:41] <Golynx> no i want a tool like unity search in xubuntu
[09:41] <starrats> 14.04 uses the whisker menu at the top of the left hand corner for finding everything in xubuntu.
[09:42] <Golynx> like it shows previews of images and videos in search results
[09:42] <starrats> the icon is thxubuntu mouse profile
[09:42] <starrats> ah okay not familiar with that, sorry
[09:43] <Golynx> okay, so you guys made a default search tool for 14.04 in xubuntu
[09:43] <Golynx> i dont like catfish
[09:44] <starrats> I don't like catfish either, lol
[09:44] <Golynx> a great thing to have will be to have a search input bar in thunar , to help search for files and folders easily
[09:45] <Spike29> starrats: the whisker menu only search for applications, not files :(
[09:45] <starrats> most of the nicks I see helping folks are not currently on, don't know why
[09:46] <starrats> I know Spike29, thought that is what he was looking for
[09:47] <Spike29> ok :)
[09:47] <Spike29> Golynx: you could use synapse ( https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/synapse/ )
[09:47] <Golynx> the whisker thing is not what i wanted. Looks like catfish will have to stay for a while
[09:50] <Golynx> Spike29: ty , but i always keep Zeitgeist disabled. I will try that though
[09:51] <amigamagic> what do you dislike of the whisker menu?
[09:52] <amigamagic> and what do you dislike of catfish?
[09:53] <amigamagic> maybe they are not so "bells and whistles" as Unity is, but they do the job...
[09:53] <Spike29> amigamagic: ofc, and I use both of them
[09:54] <Spike29> but some people prefer one tool to search apps and files, like synapse or the Unity dash
[09:55] <starrats> I should not have said "I don't like catfish either, lol' just not have used it enough to appreciate it, :)
[09:55] <amigamagic> you have to consider that Unity is a big and heavy thing, so Ubuntu is much slower on old pc. Anyway, who likes Unity, should use Ubuntu, not Xubuntu.
[09:56] <starrats> this is true amigamagic
[09:57] <Golynx> synapse just gives one result lol
[09:57] <amigamagic> and many people (like me) don't like the very poor customizability of the UI in Unity or Gnome3
[09:59] <amigamagic> (for example, I hate the vertical taskbar on the left of the screen, but you cannot change its position... You have to accept is as the designer liked.)
[09:59] <Golynx> catfish is an okay search tool. When used as custom action in Thunar it works well.
[10:00] <bluesabre> so, what would make it a great search tool?
[10:01] <bluesabre> I'm the developer, so I'm always looking for feedback :)
[10:01] <amigamagic> anyway I suggest to continue this topic on the xubuntu-offtopic channel, before comes knome with thunders and lighning :D
[10:02] <Golynx> bluesabre: for it to be a great search tool i would like the results of the images previews to show the images instead of black icons. And having a quick search input bar on the Thunar header will make it perfect.
[10:03] <bluesabre> oh, there is a preview mode now that displays the images
[10:03] <bluesabre> the button to the left of the menu button
[10:04] <Golynx> bluesabre: i mean the catfish search results
[10:05] <Spike29> Golynx: you're using 12.04, that's why you don't have it yet :p
[10:05] <bluesabre> ah
[10:05] <bluesabre> look forward to http://imagebin.org/308750
[10:05] <Golynx> Spike29: which version of catfish have that
[10:05] <bluesabre> :)
[10:05] <bluesabre> 1.0
[10:06] <bluesabre> older versions also have thumbnails when started as "catfish --thumbnails"
[10:06] <Golynx> oh , thank goodness :)
[10:07] <Golynx> ty guys this will work perfect
[10:09] <bluesabre> :) good to hear
[10:40] <c2tarun> I don't remember XFCE look this http://imagebin.org/308755  UGLY, what did I miss?
[10:41] <brainwash> c2tarun: select a proper theme via settings manager > appearance
[10:42] <c2tarun> brainwash, yeah I changed it, after I took the screenshot, but why is everything so opaque? I can't make any of my panels transparent?
[10:43] <brainwash> right click on the panel and configure it :)
[10:43] <c2tarun> Also all the buttons are so Squared :P I remember there was slight curve at the corners.
[10:43] <c2tarun> brainwash, I tried its not highlighted?
[10:43] <c2tarun> brainwash, I tried its not highlighted!
[10:44] <brainwash> see http://images.maketecheasier.com/2013/08/xfce-new-panel-alpha-configuration.png
[10:45] <brainwash> the button shape is defined by the gtk theme
[10:45] <c2tarun> brainwash, thanks man :)
[10:46] <c2tarun> actually I had to enable it from compositor
[10:46] <brainwash> ah, right
[10:53] <c2tarun> brainwash, there is no synapse in Ubuntu 14.04 :( can you suggest me something.
[10:55] <brainwash> c2tarun: you could install it from this PPA https://launchpad.net/~synapse-core/+archive/testing
[10:55] <brainwash> see bug 1288839
[10:56] <c2tarun> ohhh... so do you installed it from testing repo? is it working fine?
[10:56] <brainwash> I did not, but people report that it's working fine
[10:57] <brainwash> I guess that the new whiskermenu search and xfce4-appfinder (alt+f2) do not fit your needs, right?
[10:57] <Nalleman> Hi, I have found out that sometimes when I try ty wake my computer up from suspend mode the screen is all black after login. Is this a common problem? Fix?
[10:58] <brainwash> Nalleman: yes, it's a known issue
[10:58] <brainwash> bug 1303736
[11:13] <Nalleman> :/ I guess thats good in some way, better than if it was only my computer
[11:19] <brainwash> Nalleman: you can easily fix it by disabling light-locker or replacing it with xscreensaver
[11:20] <Wizard> I've disabled locking screen after wake-up and seems it doesn't appear anymore.
[11:20] <_jay> i have a problem when installing 14.04 edition
[11:20] <_jay> it shows no wallpaper
[11:20] <Wizard> :O
[11:20] <_jay> and it doesnt installl
[11:22] <p1ro> hi, i dont know why i cant prevent teamviewer for starting with system
[11:22] <p1ro> i have disable it on settings "in teamviewer" but still
[11:23] <knome> p1ro, check under session and startup in the settings manger
[11:23] <knome> *manager
[11:23] <Wizard> _jay: dvd or usb install?
[11:24] <Wizard> Check iso image checksums and/or do dvd self-check, _jay.
[11:25] <_jay> i redownloaded it
[11:25] <Wizard> Cool, verify checksums.
[11:36] <p1ro> knome, umm where the settings manager should be ?
[11:36] <knome> p1ro, in the main menu. if you are using whiskermenu, it's one of the three buttons at the bottom of the menu
[11:38] <p1ro> whisker menu? im suing what is default or comex with lxde
[11:38] <knome> then ask #lubuntu - this is not the lubuntu channel
[11:38] <p1ro> ohh my bad sorry
[12:30] <starrats> I recently added, today that is, icons to my desktop, like Firefox, Thunderbird and a few others but when I double click on them I get 'Untrusted application launcher' what's that all about, I set it up via xubuntu's instructions?
[12:49] <brainwash> starrats: maybe you need to mark the launcher as executable
[13:27] <pascal_dher_> hi. I'm trying to get ubuntu 13.10 minimal install with xfce to run a command before going to sleep.
[13:28] <pascal_dher_> Can anyone tell me how to get ether xfce-power-manager or logind to run a command before going to sleep? or a third way
[13:31] <pascal_dher_> going to sleep = suspend.
[13:32] <brainwash> pascal_dher_: use pm-utils to run a custom script on suspend, usually you need to place it in /etc/pm/sleep.d/
[13:33] <brainwash> make sure the script is marked as executable
[13:34] <brainwash> and it will be executed as root
[13:37] <pascal_dher_> brainwash: ok. trying that out..
[14:01] <KeyboardNotFound> Can I disable fans in my laptop ?
[14:01] <starrats> brainwash how do I make launcher executable?
[14:01] <brainwash> starrats: open a terminal window and run "chmod +x <file>"
[14:02] <pascal_dher_> brainwash: Thanks, it works now with your hook in tandem with logind (apparently, first I set it to ignore, but then nothing happens).
[14:02] <brainwash> pascal_dher_: glad you got it sorted
[14:03] <starrats> Brainwash <files> = launcher?
[14:05] <brainwash> yes, example: chmod +x ~/Desktop/firefox.desktop
[14:05] <starrats> Sorry I'm confused on it brainwash, please forgive still learning things
[14:05] <starrats> ah ok
[14:05] <starrats> so do that to each icon I have on desktop?
[14:06] <starrats> I have 5 icons
[14:07] <brainwash> try it
[14:07] <brainwash> if it works for one launcher, then edit the other ones too
[14:08] <brainwash> as of now we don't even know for sure that this will do the trick
[14:08] <starrats> chmod: cannot access ‘/Desktop/firefox.desktop’: No such file or directory
[14:08] <starrats>    this was my answer in term
[14:09] <brainwash> did you skip the "~"?
[14:09] <starrats> ah, yes, lol
[14:09] <brainwash> and you have to specify the correct launcher filename
[14:09] <starrats> ah okay
[14:09] <brainwash> firefox.desktop was just an example
[14:09] <starrats> ok
[14:09] <starrats> gotcha
[14:17] <starrats> done
[14:18] <kingplusplus> hello guys, i have do users which is A and B. When i log into A i try to switch user so I can access b but i get a "Black Screen of Death" anyone here with an idea to fix this?
[14:19] <starrats> it was easy since that little window that said 'Untrusted application launcher' had an 'executable' tab on it, lol!
[14:20] <drc> starrats: Now that you have learned the power of chmod, you could have used thunar.  In this case, click on Desktop in the left panel, CLT-Click on each icon you want to change, right click on any one of them, go to Properties> Permissions, and click the box at the bottom (Allow this file...) :)
[14:21] <starrats> ah okay cool, thanks drc
[14:23] <drc> Easier when doing multiple files/launchers.
[14:27] <pascal_dher_> brainwash: only problem is that suspend now takes considerably longer time 15-30 seconds instead of 2 seconds.
[14:28] <brainwash> pascal_dher_: what does your script exactly do?
[14:28] <brainwash> any script will delay the suspend routine
[14:29] <pascal_dher_> just runs a killall  which terminates the application immediatly - I moved it to the resume phase now though and it's still slow.
[14:29] <kingplusplus> hello guys, i have do users which is A and B. When i log into A i try to switch user so I can access b but i get a "Black Screen of Death" anyone here with an idea to fix this?
[14:29] <pascal_dher_> I didn't pm-utils installed before
[14:30] <brainwash> pascal_dher_: that's odd
[14:30] <brainwash> pascal_dher_: take a look at /var/log/pm-suspend.log
[14:30] <starrats> done and thanks drc!
[14:31] <drc> starrats: thank brainwash. he taught you something, I just added a shortcut.
[14:34] <starrats> thought I did, but than k you too brainwash, sorry
[14:34] <starrats> my bad!!
[14:37] <pascal_dher_> brainwash: wow - didn't know it does so many things when suspending - anyway my system is quite low on IO due to having root on USB-stick. Suspend worked fine before pm-utils, I just didn't know how to run a hook. Do you know any other way of running a hook than through pm-utils
[14:37] <pascal_dher_> ?
[14:39] <brainwash> pascal_dher_: how do you trigger suspend usually?
[14:39] <brainwash> starrats: glad we could help you :)
[14:40] <starrats> and thank you again both of you, the more I learn the better I'll be, lol
[14:41] <drc> starrats: remember to "pay it forward".
[14:41] <starrats> now going to try something that I hope will take away the 'freeze' problem I'm still having, but that has to wait until this afternoon.
[14:42] <starrats> yes I have been practicing that idiom
[14:42] <pascal_dher_> brainwash: change /etc/systemd/logind.conf to have "HandlePowerKey=suspend"
[14:42] <starrats> here and in real life
[14:43] <pascal_dher_> brainwash: and then suspend works. There seems to be many systemd hooks but since systemd isn't "really used" by ubuntu I don't know how to handle them.
[14:44] <brainwash> pascal_dher_: not sure then
[14:44] <brainwash> exactly, ubuntu only uses logind and a simple wrapper for systemd to get it working
[14:44] <pascal_dher_> I also tried with the xfce power manager, but I cannot get it to do anything else than shutdown or ask
[14:46] <brainwash> does "xfce4-session-logout --suspend" work?
[14:47] <pascal_dher_> brainwash: yes
[14:48] <brainwash> so you could write a simple script which runs "killall xyz; xfce4-session-logout --suspend"
[14:49] <brainwash> or any other command which triggers suspend
[14:49] <brainwash> and the assign it to the power button via acpi event script
[14:50] <brainwash> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/acpid
[14:50] <brainwash> the package is also named acpid in debian/ubuntu
[14:53] <kingplusplus> How do i get around the problem of switching user in Xubuntu? When i switch from user A to B it works but getting back to A from B i see a black screen which means I have to restart because nothing else works. Please someone should give me advise on how to solve this.
[14:54] <pascal_dher_>  brainwash ok. I got something to work with... I'll be back
[14:55] <brainwash> kingplusplus: do you run 14.04?
[14:55] <kingplusplus> brainwash:  yes i do
[14:56] <brainwash> I assume that the new screen locker app "light-locker" is locking the inactive session
[14:56] <brainwash> try to disable it
[14:57] <brainwash> settings manager > light locker settings
[15:07] <kingplusplus> brainwash: thanks it seems like it fixed it. I have switched a couple of times and didn't have the probs
[15:08] <pascal_dher_> brainwash: thanks, I removed pm-utils and installed acpid and configured the powerbutton event to only do my kill command and it works great :-)
[15:08] <brainwash> pascal_dher_: that's awesome :)
[15:08] <brainwash> kingplusplus: ok :)
[15:29] <kingplusplus> brainwash: i noticed i can't lock screen when system is idle for 10 mins? So i need to manually lock screen right?
[15:56] <sheer> is there an easy way to get rid of the stupid bluetooth icon?
[15:56] <sheer> (when I have bluetooth disabled)
[15:58] <holstein> sheer: i just removed it from startup
[15:59] <sheer> that's genius, thanks
[16:04] <Nalleman> Hi, my computer goes into suspend mode when I close the lid, I dont want it to do anything. I have choosen accordingly in the power menu and such
[16:04] <brainwash> kingplusplus: so, you've configured light-locker to automatically lock the screen after certain amount of time, but it does not work?
[16:06] <brainwash> Nalleman: take a look at bug 1307545
[16:14] <Nalleman> hm, was this a problem in the verson before?
[16:16] <brainwash> which version before?
[16:16] <Nalleman> 13.10
[16:17] <brainwash> it has been patched in 13.10 some months ago
[16:17] <brainwash> and it should be also fixed in 14.04
[16:17] <brainwash> but some people report that the problem is still present
[16:18] <brainwash> maybe due to some configuration mess up
[16:35] <Random832> anything i should watch out for upgrading to 14.04?
[16:37] <brainwash> Random832: you should read the release announcement beforehand
[16:37] <brainwash> http://xubuntu.org/news/14-04-release/
[16:39] <Random832> >The panel layout is updated, and now uses Whiskermenu as the default menu - how do i purge my current panel layout to get the new default one?
[16:40] <brainwash> xfce related config files are located in ~/.config/xfce4
[17:11] <j83> hello :)
[17:20] <j83> hi all, new user here, installed 14.04 any advice on extra things 2 do?
[17:21] <j83> it is working great on my laptop.  i really enjoy it.
[17:21] <holstein> j83: no.. just relax and try and get comfortable with the defaults.. experiement with the live CD or guest account
[17:21] <CuriousTahr> Hi, it depends on what you want to do with...
[17:22] <j83> holstein: ok great
[17:23] <j83> CuriousTahr: i pretty much use web, email, vlc.  pretty basic, but all i do
[17:24] <drc> j83: I'd look at the panel plugins (mail check, weather, sensors, etc)
[17:24] <j83> drc: yeah thanks guys, i will play around
[17:24] <j83> :)
[17:25] <CuriousTahr> j83: so you already have all what you need ;)
[17:25] <j83> lol.... sounds like it right
[17:26] <j83> i was jus curious because only been using linux 3month's now
[17:26] <j83> i was on mint 16 xfce
[17:28] <j83> it only took 2month's before i nuked win8 off HD
[17:28] <skribblezatcha> j83: if you dont want your panel on the top, you can put that down on the bottom so that it has that mint feel to it by default.
[17:28] <j83> 500gb hd all for xubuntu
[17:28] <j83> yes i did few things
[17:28] <skribblezatcha> the more traditional appearance and feel of a desktop environment. thats what i do since that is what i prefer.
[17:28] <skribblezatcha> cool j83.
[17:28] <j83> right
[17:29] <j83> hey anyone use a dock program?
[17:29] <j83> or can suggest one?
[17:29] <skribblezatcha> i used to use docky j83. its a nice dock..but it doesnt have the shutdown buttons on it, for that you want cairo dock, but i think that docky is more attractive.
[17:30] <skribblezatcha> so i just use the shutdown buttons in the menu and am ok with that.
[17:30] <j83> hey ok, i will google and read up
[17:30] <skribblezatcha> now i dont use docky though, i just add desktop icons and panel launchers for the things that i use most and am good to go.
[17:30] <skribblezatcha> cool.
[17:30] <j83> oh ok
[17:31] <skribblezatcha> yeah, thats they best thing to do, or just use synaptic to install it and check it out and if you dont like it use synaptic to also remove it.
[17:31] <skribblezatcha> yeppers.
[17:32] <j83> well right on guys good 2 see nice ppl here, i will play around and if i have a question or problem i will be back
[17:32] <j83> ty all and hagd
[17:32] <j83> gonna go get lunch :)
[17:33] <skribblezatcha> have fun j83.
[17:39] <xubuntu991> anyone here?
[17:42] <xubuntu991> anyone here?
[17:46] <xubuntu991> just installed xubuntu 14.04 and no modules are loaded after restart. suggestions
[17:46] <xubuntu991> ?
[17:49] <holstein> xubuntu991: not likely
[17:50] <holstein> xubuntu991: the kernel is modular, so there are lots of modules that are trying to provide hardware support for you.. what is not working for you specifically?
[18:06] <xubuntu991> so lsmod shows nothing
[18:07] <xubuntu991> specifically, i log in and get a frozen cursor, the wrong resolution, no networking, etc.
[18:09] <xubuntu991> however, using the live usb worked perfectly
[18:10] <xubuntu991> holstein: you stil here?
[18:11] <holstein> xubuntu991: yes
[18:52] <xubuntu991> anyone have any ideas if lsmod shows nothing?
[18:52] <holstein> xubuntu991: i would take them one at a time..
[18:52] <holstein> !nomodeset
[18:52] <holstein> then, move on to a proprietary graphics driver if needed. the wifi driver..
[18:52] <holstein> !wifi
[18:52] <holstein> if its broadcom or whatever
[18:53] <holstein> keeing in mind, that i was not promised linux support, so knowing that diligent troubleshooting will be necessary
[18:56] <holstein> the differences in the live cd and the installed system is something to look at as well. the most important of which is the hard drive.. testing the hard drive would be a nice step.. i like gsmartcontrol
[18:56] <holstein> also, recieving updates during the installation can make the installed OS differ from the live OS
[18:59] <xubuntu991> holstein: thanks, good places to start
[19:17] <Demontager>  Is any good dark Xubuntu theme exists ? I want to safe battery power while out of AC
[19:18] <Lazar> That wont save your battery very much
[19:18] <Lazar> You can use tlp to set powersaving options
[19:19] <Lazar> I think its tlp, maybe tpl :D google that pls :D
[19:19] <Lazar> I dont have battery problems so dont know exact name, but its very good tool
 already using TLP
[19:19] <Aritheanie> turn off wifi and use ethernet where possible
[19:20] <Aritheanie> screen brightness to minimum
[19:20] <Demontager> darker theme will keep monitor darker so it will consume less power obviously
[19:21] <Demontager> simple powertop test shows less power consumption on dark environment
[19:22] <Lazar> Not true dude, if its on same brightness level then nothing will change
[19:22] <Lazar> Anyhow you hafe xfce themes on deviantart
[19:27] <Demontager> 13.1 Watt draw on light Xchat window and 12.4 draw on black terminal window
[19:30] <holstein> Demontager: http://xfce-look.org/ install what you like.. if "13.1 watt" refers to "wattOS 13.10", its not supported here
[19:30] <holstein> Demontager: in 12.04 or any version, in the terminal, you can set the colors as you want
[19:46] <dreamon> How can I reset xubuntu settings. by starting xubuntu with Prime / nvidia im stucked in a blackscreen. But system is still running .. later I can here skype connecting
[20:24] <Random832> when I asked if there was anything to watch out for upgrading to 14.04
[20:24] <Random832> I kind of expected "might make my system unbootable" to make the goddamn list
[22:44] <NorthSide> man i got to fight to read files threw my network in this xubuntu 14.04
[22:47] <NorthSide> seems to have a very hard time trying to mount the drives
[22:48] <NorthSide> i have to close windows and reopen them
[22:56] <Zyde> Hi guys. I am a new Xubuntu user, and I am having some difficulties installing Wi-Fi drivers. I posted a thread on reddit (here: http://www.reddit.com/r/xubuntu/comments/24lpkf/need_help_installing_wifi_drivers/). Anyone know whats up?
[23:06] <angelo_> ciao a tutti
[23:06] <angelo_> avrei un problema con xbuntu
[23:07] <angelo_> buona notte
[23:19] <NorthSide> anyone having problems trying to access network drivers/folders
[23:19] <NorthSide> xubuntu 14.04
[23:19] <j83> what's up all
[23:19] <j83> :)


[01:22] <handsome_feng> @ItzSwirlz: Hi,  Can you explain in more detail? Or is there a screenshot? we are now support English and Chinese.
[02:54] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:09] <jphilips> seems the irc to telegram bridge is down presently
[03:09] <jphilips> guess popey is fiddling with it :D
[03:10] <jphilips> morning lotuspsychje
[03:10] <lotuspsychje> hey there jphilips
[03:10] <jphilips> two days left for the release. its exciting
[03:11] <lotuspsychje> yay!
[03:12] <jphilips> popeydc did track down the issue of the jumbling of words on the bridge - https://twitter.com/popey/status/1252325608207659011
[05:15] <guiverc> :) @ the tweet, thanks jphilips (cat->dog)
[05:17] <jphilips> guiverc: how things going in lubuntu land
[05:18] <guiverc> a few minor issues with calamares (some minor, eg. I don't think many will have a floppy drive, let alone floppy in their system on boot to create one found).  otherwise looks good
[05:59] <jphilips> i remember finding a bug in the installer on the partition page, how it displays which partition it would install to
[06:06] <jphilips> guess i should have reported it
[06:08] <jphilips> oh i did mention it in the lubuntu-devel channel
[06:09] <jphilips> guiverc: "was trying out the lubuntu installer and how it shows the after section in 'replace a partition' would definitely be confusing - https://i.imgur.com/OB0Fe06.png"
[07:09] <guiverc> looking (sorry missed the ping; i was out feeding birds)
[07:12] <guiverc> yeah I agree.. i'm booting a system & will have a look, if you'd like to file a bug might be best
[07:12] <guiverc> jphilips, ^
[07:18] <jphilips> guiverc: you can go for it. not familiar with where to file it :D
[07:19] <guiverc> no probs, will do, thanks for noticing jphilips
[07:20] <jphilips> assume it should be filed upstream with calamares
[07:20] <guiverc> I'd assume that too, but i'll file here first.. were you using VM or hardware?
[07:21] <guiverc> sorry I see now VMWARE
[07:35] <guiverc> jphilips, FYI: lp 1874023
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[18:21] <jphilips> hi popey
 I keep getting this error

 Anyone else getting it
 I didn't have any trouble with the boot loader. Was it possible for you to install GRUB manually?
 i installed budgie instead xd
 and rn im installing ubuntu-desktop
 What flavor is this?
 DId that one work? (re @ItzSwirlz: i installed budgie instead xd)
 yeah
 ok - good to know.
 TA
 I was actually able to take my wife's little Lenovo Flex, plug in an SSD attached to a USB adapter, plug the Kubuntu 20.04 installer thumbdrive into a USB C-to-A adapter and install to the SSD without affecting the onboard eMMC. This little Celeron N4100 was really slow in Windows, but it's fast as heck in 20.04! I have it hooked to a TV and GZDOOM runs great!
 But the display settings are weird. I can't get mirrored screens to work. When I try and mirror, the TV looks fine but the onboard screen shows the upper-left 1366x768 of the 1920x1080.
 And I can't set the TV to 1366x768. Just 1280x720.
 Who would I report these display issues to?
 welcome @lipe66
 @franksmcb @wimpress sometimes when i run ubuntu mate, the live session has not internet connectivity (no ethernet or wifi) and when i go to shutdown, i only see a single cancel button and i'm not sure how to file a bug through ubuntu-bug in this situation.

 forgot to mention that sound also doesnt work
 If you issue ubuntu-bug -w it lets you select a window.
 yes i'm aware of that @kc2bez but what do i do if i have no internet connectivity
 Oh I missed that part sorry.
 is there a way to collect the bug info, copy it on a usb, and then file it from another computer?
 oh thank you (re @kc2bez: If you issue ubuntu-bug -w it lets you select a window.)
 thankfully it in help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing_bugs_when_offline_or_using_a_headless_setup
 Thanks for sharing. (re @philipz: thankfully it in help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing_bugs_when_offline_or_using_a_headless_setup)
 not sure if this has happened with others, but many times i tell the crash dialog to report the bug and then nothing happens.
 had a brisk menu crash, told it to report and nothing
 i see 2 bluetooth indicators in the mate system tray and not sure what package to file that against. @kc2bez any thoughts
 I am not sure what mate uses for a Bluetooth applet, perhaps @franksmcb can help here.
 Blueman

 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1874003 :
 anger is filling inside me, I now have to make a brand new repo because this one is just screwed up :
 its back
 guess it needed some rest :D
 great that it still was logging on the stuff that from telegram and pushed it out to irc, though not sure how happy the irc crowd is ;)
 what was the cause? (re @popeydc: its back)
 the cause of what?
 the bot stop working
 I don't know right now, I just started it as it wasn't running. I am not looking at it right now.
 Don't worry about it.
 oh okay. just curious as we we've setup the same for xubuntu and wondering if there is anything that we should be aware of
 I don't think there's anything to worry about
 thanks for fixing it
 discussions werent as lively today as it was down
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[00:25] <bluesabre> ochosi: great, I'll work on the artwork tonight
[02:08] <bluesabre> Unit193, micahg: you guys around?
[02:16] <bluesabre> was wondering if you have an opinion on packaging lo-style-elementary with xubuntu-artwork.  The icon themes install a zip file and a link... would it be wrong to just provide the zip file as is in the package source, or should we actually do the "build" step of zipping up the icons in the rules file
[03:01] <bluesabre> crap, didn't think about this, but if it's going to be upstreamed, it won't work in xubuntu-artwork for one reason
[03:01] <bluesabre> libreoffice-style-elementary_15.10.1_all.deb
[03:01] <bluesabre> vs libreoffice 5
[03:02] <bluesabre> or maybe
[03:02] <bluesabre> since lo is already epoched
[03:02] <bluesabre> libreoffice_style_human: 1:4.4.4~rc3-0ubuntu1
[03:03] <bluesabre> dashes that is, 1:4.4.4~rc3-0ubuntu1libreoffice-style-human: 1:4.4.4~rc3-0ubuntu1
[03:03] <bluesabre> :)
[03:16] <Unit193> https://github.com/shimmerproject/libreoffice-style-elementary being the source?  I don't see a zip anyway, soo?
[03:41] <bluesabre> yeah, just feels weird since xubuntu-artwork doesn't currently do any building
[03:41] <bluesabre> so gotta make a makefile and whatnot
[03:41] <bluesabre> :)
[03:41] <bluesabre> ubuntu's overlay scrollbars are completely gone now, right?
[03:43] <bluesabre> well, the package still exists for them, so won't drop the patches yet
[03:47] <bluesabre> starting to wonder if numix 2.0 is ever going to be finished
[03:47] <bluesabre> :D
[03:47] <Unit193> :(
[03:56] <bluesabre> actually, looks like Albatross and Numix might be due for some new releases, been a while since their last releases and they have a few fixes between
[03:57] <bluesabre> ochosi: ^
[04:02] <bluesabre> I'll upload that tomorrow in case you want to hook me up with at least one of those ;)
[04:02] <bluesabre> I can at least do xubuntu-default-settings before I go to bed
[04:25] <bluesabre> heading to bed now, bbl
[04:26] <bluesabre> xubuntu-default-settings uploaded, should bring lots of nice fixes to tomorrow's image
[13:11] <bluesabre> I might finish this artwork package sometime today
[13:11] <bluesabre> :)
[14:37] <bluesabre> micahg: do you have any feedback on https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-art/xubuntu-artwork/wily/revision/288 ?
[14:38] <bluesabre> adds libreoffice-style-elementary to xubuntu-artwork
[14:38] <bluesabre> I imagine I'll have to raise a conversation up with ubuntu-devel and the lo packaging team before this gets accepted when I upload it
[15:17] <micahg> bluesabre: is there a reason for this not to be its own sourcE?
[15:19] <micahg> also, I think it should be Enhances: libreoffice-core, not Recommends
[15:21] <bluesabre> micahg: I copied libreoffice-style-human's recommends
[15:21] <micahg> sounds like that's wrong too :)
[15:22] <bluesabre> micahg: no particular reason for it to not be its own source, but work is underway to include it in libreoffice upstream
[15:22] <micahg> ah, that's good news
[15:25] <bluesabre> probably won't be included before 5.0 if I had to guess :)
[15:26] <bluesabre> but yeah, I can make this it's own source package if we'd like.  I included it in xubuntu-artwork since the elementary theme is in xubuntu-icon-theme (xubuntu-artwork source package)
[15:33] <micahg> ok, one of the things with a source is that it should connect to an upstream, is this the same upstream as the elementary theme?
[15:33] <micahg> usually the homepage and Vcs-* fields are used to reflect the upstream
[15:34] <micahg> if Xubuntu is upstream, that's fine, but I don't think that's the case here
[15:35] <bluesabre> shimmerproject is upstream for the icon theme and lo theme, https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce https://github.com/shimmerproject/libreoffice-style-elementary
[15:36] <bluesabre> we do snapshots of the icon theme and commit that to lp:xubuntu-artwork
[15:36] <bluesabre> shimmer is knome and ochosi
[15:36] <micahg> ah, you mentioned a zip file before
[15:37] <micahg> if we're upstream, yeah, it's fine in xubuntu-artwork
[15:37] <bluesabre> yeah, instead of doing the zip snapshot, I included the source and added a makefile to build and install the zip
[15:37] <bluesabre> but i'm flexible ;)
[15:38] <micahg> oh, lo needs the zip?
[15:38] <bluesabre> yeah, lo icon themes are contained and read from the zip file (and an associated symlink
[15:39] <micahg> I have to run now, I'll have to take a look later (we should probably fix LO needing a zip for icons...)
[15:39] <micahg> we == Ubuntu
[15:40] <bluesabre> is there anything we can do about that? it's like that upstream with LO
[15:40] <micahg> so, at the moment, I think the only suggestion I have is to change recommends to enhances, but I can look at some other packages later to verify
[15:40] <bluesabre> ok
[15:40] <micahg> yeah, well, we have an LO dev on the desktop team
[15:40] <bluesabre> I'll be around most of the day, so you can ping me anytime
[15:40] <bluesabre> cool
[15:40] <micahg> ok, probably back in 6-7 hours
[15:40] <bluesabre> k, have fun!
[19:36] <ochosi> evening all
[19:38] <knome> hey ochosi
[19:40] <ochosi> hey knome
[19:40] <ochosi> bluesabre: thanks for all the updates
[19:41] <ochosi> i talked to satya about numix, he's still planning to finish the SASS port (aka v2) as soon as possible, but i guess he's also busy with work atm
[19:42] <ochosi> also, i don't think our icon theme for LO will make it upstream for 5.0
[19:42] <ochosi> maybe for later
[19:43] <ochosi> i can take another look at albatross, but we're not even installing that one by default anymore
[19:43] <ochosi> so i'm not sure i really wanna spend time on that
[19:44] <knome> maybe i'll look at it some point...
[19:44] <ochosi> k, perfect :)
[19:44] <knome> maybe!
[19:45] <knome> no promises
[19:50] <ochosi> sure sure
[19:50] <ochosi> as always
[19:51] <knome> ;)
[19:51] <knome> anything you'd fancy working on today, or shall i look for something to do with other hobbies? :)
[19:55] <ochosi> heh
[19:55] <ochosi> could do something
[19:56] <ochosi> atm i wanna investigate why status.ubuntu doesn't receive updates anymore
[19:56] <ochosi> not really sure anymore who to ask
[19:56] <ochosi> forgot who was in charge of that
[19:57] <knome> right...
[19:57] <knome> iirc, chrisccoulson
[19:58] <knome> and others
[19:58] <knome> https://launchpad.net/launchpad-work-items-tracker
[19:58] <knome> i guess i forgot :)
[19:58] <knome> pitti, cjohnston and apw
[19:58] <ochosi> would suck if that were retired
[19:59] <knome> mmmeehh.
[19:59] <knome> yeah.
[19:59] <ochosi> after all, that was one of the main drivers of using launchpad blueprints for progress tracking
[19:59] <ochosi> (apart from bug-linking)
[19:59] <knome> otoh, it doesn't sound like a task TOO big to set that up, considering the LP API actually works
[19:59] <knome> i could look at that briefly today
[20:00] <ochosi> you mean setting it up for ourselves?
[20:00] <knome> yep
[20:00] <ochosi> *if* we do it, then i'd say let's improve the css dramatically :)
[20:00] <knome> likely not the same codebase, but something
[20:00] <knome> yeah
[20:00] <knome> and the usability generally
[20:00] <ochosi> and let's integrate it into x.org/development or something
[20:00] <knome> right...
[20:01] <knome> considering the code needs to go through the IS, i can't promise how soon that'll happen
[20:01] <ochosi> sure
[20:01] <knome> but we can surely set it up *somewhere*
[20:01] <ochosi> well, we can set it up elsewhere meanwhile
[20:01] <knome> yes
[20:05] <knome> hmm.
[20:05] <knome> i must have done some lp hacking already
[20:05] <knome> this looks so familiar
[20:06] <ochosi> so you're already looking?
[20:07] <knome> oh right, *that*...
[20:07] <knome> yeah, i am
[20:07] <knome> just briefly, remind you
[20:08] <knome> pffft
[20:09] <ochosi> hhmm, albatross would really need a lot of attention in order to be okay again
[20:10] <knome> yep...
[20:10] <ochosi> no rules for .flat buttons, etc etc
[20:10] <knome> oh stupid
[20:10] <ochosi> toolbars have the wrong bg in gtk3
[20:10] <ochosi> even many linked buttons don't look alright
[20:18] <ochosi> plus indicators are seemingly broken
[20:18] <ochosi> which might be the worst part
[20:25] <ochosi> ok, fixed that latter part
[20:25] <knome> hah
[20:25] <knome> well if that was the worst part...
[20:26] <bluesabre> ochosi: only mentioned albatross because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shimmer-themes/+bug/1314977/comments/1
[20:26] <bluesabre> ;)
[20:26] <ochosi> oh right
[20:26] <ochosi> heh
[20:31] <ochosi> fixing the .flat style now
[20:32] <ochosi> then we can upload a new version of it
[20:32] <bluesabre> nice
[20:35] <ochosi> ok, please give this a spin now
[20:35] <ochosi> should work quite a bit better
[20:35] <ochosi> but tbh i haven't looked very closely cause greybird and albatross are already massively out of sync
[20:36] <ochosi> so it's hard to say whether i got everything right
[20:36] <ochosi> (rebasing is not an option)
[20:36] <ochosi> (at least not for me)
[20:37] <bluesabre> :)
[20:37] <ochosi> bluesabre: so what was the conclusion today wrt LO icons? xubuntu-artwork for now?
[20:39] <ochosi> also, this one should be marked fix released as soon as you upload greybird 1.6
[20:41] <bluesabre> ochosi: will do
[20:42] <bluesabre> yeah, xubuntu-artwork
[20:42] <bluesabre> albatross seems ok to me
[20:42] <ochosi> meh, no button-default style
[20:43] <ochosi> this theme is really lacking in so many aspects
[20:44] <sorinello> what are you working i guys ?:)
[20:44] <sorinello> *on
[20:45] <bluesabre> one of our legacy gtk themes
[20:45] <ochosi> different things, currently artwork/theme updates
[20:46] <sorinello> that's nice. so you're doing design work ?
[20:46] <knome> the LP API is pretty generous on the data... https://api.launchpad.net/devel/ubuntu/+spec/topic-w-flavor-xubuntu/dependencies
[20:46] <bluesabre> knome: nice
[20:47] <sorinello> I only see an unformatted json here :)
[20:47] <knome> i said "API"
[20:47] <ochosi> knome: sweet, looking forward to a first draft of our own status page ;)
[20:47] <knome> it'll be done by the end of the week
[20:47] <knome> no kiddinf
[20:47] <knome> *kidding
[20:48] <sorinello> so you're working on the future version of xfce I take it ?
[20:48] <sorinello> or this is xubuntu related
[20:48] <knome> this is minor play compared to the API i used to scrape off information last week...
[20:48] <bluesabre> sorinello: xfce development is on #xfce-dev, this is xubuntu-related development and updates on this channel :)
[20:49] <bluesabre> (sometimes overlaps, but not at this moment)
[20:49] <sorinello> yeah, I know. But Xubuntu doesn't use the vanilla xfce ?
[20:50] <ochosi> no
[20:50] <bluesabre> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument
[20:50] <ochosi> try fedora, that's supposedly vanilla xfce
[20:50] <sorinello> I thought fedora uses KDE
[20:51] <sorinello> thanks for the link.
[20:52] <ochosi> bluesabre: just to make it easier for you: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Albatross/releases/tag/v1.7.4
[20:53] <bluesabre> ochosi: nice, thanks a lot!
[20:54] <bluesabre> I'll upload with this then
[20:54] <ochosi> good good
[20:54] <bluesabre> ochosi: ubuntu's overlay scrollbars... are they completely gone as of wily?
[20:54] <ochosi> i think they should be
[20:54] <ochosi> not sure whether they've taken them out of the archive already though
[20:55] <ochosi> but we could ask larsu or Laney tomorrow
[20:55] <bluesabre> still in the archive, so I suppose we should carry the patches for them a bit longer
[20:56] <ochosi> yeah, i guess so
[20:56] <ochosi> well, could be that they drop it at some point
[20:56] <bluesabre> I'll upload shimmer-themes later tonight, look for them tomorrow with some closed bug reports
[20:56] <ochosi> but i think some u-dev folks were unhappy with the gtk3 scrollbars
[20:56] <ochosi> nice
[20:57] <bluesabre> ochosi: understandably, they're pretty bad compared to what ubuntu had before
[20:58] <bluesabre> but meh :D
[20:58] <ochosi> even with adwaita?
[20:58] <bluesabre> adwaita's fine since they are 2px wide, but then they are crappy for clickable scrollbars
[20:59] <ochosi> oh, they're always 2px wide?
[20:59] <bluesabre> I'd have to check again
[20:59] <bluesabre> no hurry to do that though
[20:59] <ochosi> right, that's not very a11y friendly i guess
[20:59] <ochosi> wonder what hicontrast theme does
[21:08] <ochosi> ok, hicontrast also has a 2px scrollbar
[21:10] <ochosi> i guess in most cases thin scrollbars are ok
[21:10] <ochosi> but i guess some folks still wanna click and drag scrollbars...
[21:11] <ochosi> oh crap
[21:11] <ochosi> bluesabre: ok, it's a theming issue
[21:11] <ochosi> adwaita does what i would expect it to do
[21:11] <ochosi> thin scrollbar when the mouse isnt there, when you hover, it extends and becomes clickable
[21:11] <ochosi> guess i'll add that too for greybird 1.6.1
[21:12] <bluesabre> ah
[21:12] <bluesabre> that sounds not as bad then
[21:12] <ochosi> that's pretty ideal if you ask me
[21:18] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbabl
[21:36] <ochosi> right, so ambiance also hasn't been patched for those scrollbars (the scss makes for some complex css), hence the complaints about it i guess
[21:38] <ochosi> anyway, time to go to sleep
[21:39] <knome> nighty ochosi
[21:40] <ochosi> night knome
[23:24] <bluesabre> and I'm back
[23:25] <knome> hey bluesabre
[23:44] <bluesabre> :(
[23:44] <knome> what?
[23:44] <bluesabre> shimmer-themes is out of the xubuntu packageset again
[23:44] <knome> aha...
[23:44] <bluesabre> micahg: can you take a look at that? :)
[23:45] <bluesabre> somehow it keeps getting taken over by the kubuntu packageset http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/wily/kubuntu
[23:46] <micahg> bluesabre: sure
[23:46] <bluesabre> thanks
[23:50] <bluesabre> bbiab