[07:19] <sethk> SimplyFlower, double check, because as I said it is there on all my machines and none of them even have a card of that type
[07:19] <no_no_no> brb
[07:19] <sethk> no_no_no, then those instructions are totally irrelevant
[07:19] <no_no_no> what??
[07:19] <arrick> no_no_no, are these clients in the dumpster?
[07:20] <no_no_no> someone else said they make sense..they seem fine to me
[07:20] <no_no_no> client in the dumpster?
[07:20] <sethk> no_no_no, pxe is a protocol for booting diskless workstations from a network server
[07:20] <no_no_no> no theyre P4 1.4 GHz with 256 MB
[07:20] <no_no_no> they dont have PXE
[07:20] <holy_cow> 7 yaer old systems are still quite powrfull
[07:20] <sethk> no_no_no, are you trying to do a network install, perhaps?
[07:20] <no_no_no> no!
[07:20] <holy_cow> i have a whole bunch of 1ghz machines, throw enough ram into them and they are fine
[07:20] <no_no_no> i know what im trying to do.
[07:20] <dabaR> sethk. no_no_no: heh
[07:20] <arrick> no_no_no, you know a cd rom doesnt run very much, and you can move it from pc to pc right?
[07:21] <no_no_no> its keeping them all administered thats the problem
[07:21] <dabaR> arrick: nice
[07:21] <sethk> no_no_no, the link you posted is about network booting
[07:21] <sethk> no_no_no, if you don't want to do network booting, you don't need to understand those instructions
[07:21] <SimplyFlower> sethk:  found it this time.  now what?
[07:22] <holy_cow> its clear we need some sort of gui with step 1, 2, 3 instructions for things like this
[07:22] <holy_cow> *hmm*
[07:22] <no_no_no> okay.. if thats not what i want to do then tell me what its called?
[07:22] <sethk> SimplyFlower, did you try the modprobe command?
[07:22] <holy_cow> no_no_no, what re you trying to do exactly? i'm confused now
[07:22] <no_no_no> i have 7 lab computers
[07:22] <no_no_no> i want kids to be able to sign in with their name
[07:22] <SimplyFlower> sethk:  i did but will try again... brb
[07:22] <arrick> no_no_no, I wasnt ehre when you posted your question, exactly what are you trying to accomplish?
[07:22] <no_no_no> and have  a place for their files no matter which computer they are on
[07:22] <no_no_no> and it looks the same wherever
[07:23] <sethk> SimplyFlower, you may have to use insmod with the full file name  (the name you found with the find command)
[07:23] <N2DIY> SimpleFlower, you found the module? Then do "modprobe module name".
[07:23] <sethk> no_no_no, you just need NFS
[07:23] <arrick> yep
[07:23] <holy_cow> i think he is trying to run thinclients, which makes the most sense actually
[07:23] <no_no_no> whats the difference between LTPS and NFS and where's a guide on how to do that
[07:23] <holy_cow> i wouldn't install anything locally
[07:24] <holy_cow> nfs is basically a full install with your /home mounted over network
[07:24] <arrick> !nfs
[07:24] <ubotu> I heard nfs is see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NFSClientHowTo and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NFSServerHowTo for information on installing and configuring NFS.
[07:24] <holy_cow> ltsp is a thinclient ... all the software is on the server, the client machine boots everything over the network, like you seem to be trying to setup
[07:24] <no_no_no> that means i only have to maintain one machine?
[07:24] <holy_cow> correct
[07:25] <no_no_no> then thats what i want!
[07:25] <no_no_no> i dont care about the computers its the time spent keeping them in working order
[07:25] <arrick> !ltsp
[07:25] <ubotu> I heard ltsp is the Linux Terminal Server Project - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto (for Breezy), https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPHowTo (pre Breezy).  See also http://www.ltsp.org/
[07:25] <slavik> ok, sethk want to help me do a good thing?
[07:25] <no_no_no> i have those up.. thanks :)
[07:25] <arrick> np
[07:25] <N2DIY> What's ubotu mean?
[07:25] <slavik> N2DIY: nothing actually
[07:25] <no_no_no> is there someway to setup a default desktop and have each kids account start out like that?
[07:26] <arrick> People Freedom, see www.ubuntu.com
[07:26] <slavik> arrick: he meant ubotu, not ubuntu :P
[07:26] <holy_cow> no_no_no, i've not setup thinclients my self so i cant help you, closest i did something like that was setting up remote access to xsessions via nomachine.com software
[07:26] <no_no_no> ahh
[07:26] <arrick> N2DIY, ubotu is a bot, that gives out info, sorry, been up too long
[07:27] <mpeg123> anyone
[07:27] <arrick> !ask
[07:27] <ubotu> Just ask. Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Information like hardware make, model, outputs of commands that you used pasted onto http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl is important.
[07:27] <mpeg123> any idea about mpg123 running on background?
[07:27] <arrick> slavik, yeah i cought that as my eyes started watering
[07:27] <slavik> heh
[07:27] <slavik> arrick: want to do a good thing?
[07:28] <arrick> Im working on a @#$$#^* windows xp box for a client right now
[07:28] <arrick> slavik, whats that?
[07:28] <holy_cow> no_no_no, plug away at it, the biggest problem is just having the network card driver for your thinclients available on the bootdisk ... which is what you are trying to do, those instructions look right to me
[07:28] <holy_cow> the rest is just configuring a bit the network settings and off you go
[07:28] <slavik> arrick: build anjuta 2.0.1 with all 3 plugins and make sure that it doesn'toverwrite anjuta 1.2... :D
[07:28] <slavik> and give me the deb
[07:28] <arrick> haha
[07:29] <no_no_no> http://www.rom-o-matic.net/
[07:29] <mpeg123> can anyone help me pls?
[07:29] <slavik> !mpg123
[07:29] <no_no_no> this place lets you put the driver on a floppy after you format the HD with the other tool
[07:29] <mpeg123> ?
[07:29] <arrick> slavik, write a bot for it, they are cool
[07:29] <mpeg123> slavik, ?
[07:29] <slavik> hmm
[07:29] <holy_cow> cool, i've not heard of that before
[07:29] <slavik> !tell mpeg123 about mpg123
[07:30] <N2DIY> mpeg123, no, we can't, you have to ask a question first. If you already did, it has scrolled off my screen, sorry.
[07:30] <arrick> mpeg123, just ask your question, if someone know they will answer
[07:30] <Double_D> anyone: i'm having some trouble getting the right resolution options for my monitor.  i know my monitor will support 1600x1200, but can't seem to get that option to show up.  any ideas?
[07:30] <arrick> !fixres
[07:30] <ubotu> it has been said that fixres is Please read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:30] <Double_D> thanks, arrick.
[07:31] <arrick> np :6)
[07:31] <arrick> :6)
[07:31] <N2DIY> Bouble_D, go to/system/preferences/screen resolution, and play there.
[07:32] <mpeg123> my problem is that i have this script that i put on cron
[07:32] <mpeg123> it should run mpg123....
[07:32] <arrick> hey slavik you want to setup a recoding wtudio box for me, while i do all my projects I have here?
[07:32] <SimplyFlower> sethk:  i'm back.  tried several times but got the same message:  FATAL: Module de4x5.ko not found.  even tried including the directory and changed into the directory.  now what?
[07:32] <arrick> studio eve
[07:32] <mpeg123> it runs the script but dies when it starts streaming an mp3 file
[07:34] <arrick> Night guys
[07:34] <N2DIY> SimpleFlower, loose the .ko on the command, or try .o If that doesn't work try using "insmod" and then the module name.
[07:34] <sethk> SimplyFlower, instead, do   insmod /full/path/to/de4x5.ko
[07:34] <Double_D> N2DIY: way ahead of ya on that one.
[07:35] <SimplyFlower> N2DIY and sethk:  will try.... brb
[07:35] <nickrud> arrick, we're all still here, just watching you :)
[07:35] <Double_D> N2DIY: only have three options there and not the ones I want.  i've put the horiz and vert sync that's correct for my monitor into the xorg.conf file and restarted X, but says the frequency is out of range.
[07:35] <mpeg123> does anyone have any idea?
[07:36] <ic56> mpg123: you must give us more details.
[07:36] <Double_D> anyone: when i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and i get to the part to select resolutions, what's the actual key to press to select/deselect a resolution?
[07:37] <N2DIY> Bouble_D, Ok, try Ctrl+Alt+(+or-), and see if that works for you?
[07:37] <starkes> hey, would anyone out there know why azureus would report that my connection is firewalled and not work whatsoever, but bittornado seems to work fine?
[07:37] <Double_D> N2DIY: aso, thanks.  i'm gonna get to a VT quick and try that.  brb (hopefully in 1600x1200).
[07:37] <starkes> also, with identical settings on my windows partition, azureus works fine. same version and everything.
[07:38] <holy_cow> poor guy googled the wrong refresh rates for his moni
[07:38] <holy_cow> heh
[07:39] <Guest309> HI
[07:39] <N2DIY> holy_cow, I hope not, that is a good way to burn down your house!
[07:40] <skpl> is there any way to remove the words from my gnome menu, so that there is just the ubuntu logo?
[07:41] <nickrud> skpl, not without hacking the applet code probably
[07:41] <holy_cow> N2DIY, well, x does the whatever calculations automatically now (i guess for quite a few years now), it's been a while since one was able to start a fire that way :)
[07:42] <aaron__> heya... what is ./
[07:42] <N2DIY> holy_cow, this is good.
[07:42] <nickrud> holy_cow, I was trying to visualze my monitor exploding, but I just couldn't
[07:42] <ic56> aaron__: ./ is the current directory
[07:43] <aaron__> how do I copy a file to a floppy in terminal?
[07:43] <nickrud> skpl, the closest I've come to that is changing thye logo next to the text
[07:43] <aaron__> or where do i look to get help on that?
[07:43] <aaron__> i tried "help" but dunno which command it is
[07:44] <holy_cow> aaron__, cp /some/file /media/floppy
[07:44] <nickrud> aaron__, that is a way of saying, 'the current directory'
[07:44] <Double_D> N2DIY: didn't work.  Ctrl+Alt+(+/-) still didn't select or deselect the options.
[07:45] <holy_cow> Double_D, i strongly urge you to regoogle  your refresh rates
[07:45] <holy_cow> that is all you got wrong
[07:45] <holy_cow> get them right, re\start x, and you will have the available res for that setting in system/settings/resolution or whatever
[07:45] <nickrud> aaron__, often used to make sure that the command you are running is using command in the current directory. Why are you asking?
[07:45] <aaron__> can i drag and drop in the terminal?
[07:45] <N2DIY> Bouble_D, did the screen image change?
[07:46] <holy_cow> aaron__, no but you can copy paste
[07:46] <aaron__> im trying to copy a file to a floppy and dont have permissions in the gui so im sudoing
[07:46] <holy_cow> how can you not have permission in gnome?  you mean when you go to places/ computer / floppy ... you can't open floppy?
[07:46] <aaron__> it wont mount.
[07:46] <holy_cow> try anothe floppy maybe? just curious
[07:47] <aaron__> sorry - i was no_no_no
[07:47] <aaron__> the wifi cut out..
[07:47] <Double_D> N2DIY: no.  i just regoogled the refresh rates, per holy_cow, and get the same numbers but with decimals after (i.e. 30.0 instead of 30).  would that make a difference?
[07:47] <Double_D> i'll give it a shot with the decimals and see if that works.
[07:47] <holy_cow> Double_D, nope.
[07:47] <ic56> aaron: what is the error message when you are unable to mount the floppy?
[07:47] <holy_cow> *hmmm*
[07:48] <holy_cow> aaron__, that doesn't sound right, try another floppy, i've seen that in some weird situations
[07:48] <aaron__> places : computer: FLOPPY DRIVE
[07:48] <aaron__> this is the second one
[07:48] <holy_cow> same error?
[07:48] <N2DIY> Bouble_D, so nothing got bigger or smaller? Weird, Ubuntu isn't playing with your video controller.
[07:48] <aaron__> when i did sudo stuff in the terminal it worked fine before on the other one
[07:48] <aaron__> unable to moutn the volume
[07:48] <aaron__> given UDI is not mountable
[07:48] <holy_cow> well yes because sudo runs the command as root, root has power to do anything
[07:49] <nickrud> aaron__, I haven't used a floppy disk in at least a year, I've forotten how :)
[07:49] <aaron__> this is in edubuntu.
[07:49] <holy_cow> aaron__, lets change the perms on the floppy mount
[07:49] <aaron__> its prob set up the permissions weird.
[07:49] <mpeg123> hi pips... how can i run a script in cron... where it will fool the script that it runs under a terminal
[07:49] <mpeg123> it should fool itself that its running under a terminal?
[07:49] <ic56> aaron__: are you sure the floppy is formatted?
[07:49] <Rug> Howdy all
[07:49] <aaron__> owner is ROOT and everything is greyed out in gnome.
[07:50] <aaron__> yah i can format it fine with floppy format
[07:50] <holy_cow> aaron__, well of course, you aren't running as root,you logged in as another user
[07:50] <SimplyFlower> sethk and N2DIY:  i'm back.  tried the insmod /fullpath/de4x5.ko got the following error: insmod: error inserting '/fullpath/de4x5.ko: -1 File exists.  tried the modprobe without ko didn't help.  i am noticing when i type the full path  for modprobe the terminal changes my dashes (-) to underscore (_).  doesn't happen with insmod.
[07:50] <holy_cow> thats because floppy format asks for password, which means it runs as root
[07:50] <holy_cow> >_>
[07:50] <aaron__> yah :)
[07:50] <N2DIY> Oh no, another Bug in the system! Hi bug. :)
[07:50] <Rug> How are the other insomniacs doing tonight?
[07:50] <nickrud> is floppy that bad these days :)
[07:50] <Rug> N2DIY: I'm good thanks
[07:51] <aaron__> you dont know how long i had to dig to find one of these.
[07:51] <aaron__> arcane.
[07:51] <Rug> nickrud: everybody wants floppies to go away
[07:51] <holy_cow> lol too much trouble to bother with
[07:51] <aaron__> they die if you look at them.
[07:51] <Rug> well it seems all the email I get tries to help with that
[07:51] <nickrud> I copied a few files from my last floppies to a cd, Rug
[07:52] <Double_D> holy_cow, N2DIY: that got it.  stupid significant digits.... thanks a million.
[07:52] <holy_cow> aaron__, system don't have cd's? well i guess you want student to  be able to use those ...
[07:52] <holy_cow> Double_D, weird, but okay, cool that it works
[07:52] <nickrud> Ollie Ollie In Free, no one needs to understand floppies :)
[07:53] <holy_cow> we need some additional gui stuff to the resolution picker to let people select monitor make and model like on suse
[07:53] <N2DIY> SimpleFlower, forget the path, just do "sudo modprobe module name" or insmode instead of modprobe. Linux can be funny with path names.
[07:53] <Rug> yeah that would be nice
[07:53] <nickrud> holy_cow, yes
[07:53] <nickrud> I hope that get's stolen for eft
[07:53] <holy_cow> heh
[07:54] <holy_cow> *mmhhmm*
[07:54] <nickrud> *stolen*
[07:54] <shekhar__> can someone help me install acroread plugin on firefox 1.5 on dapper?
[07:54] <fogos> hi... someone how i can put on a direct access from desktop the next command: "cd /file/folder" then put "sudo ./load" its for load a driver that is on that folder
[07:54] <holy_cow> shekhar__, don't do that it's evil
[07:54] <holy_cow> shekhar__, instead, install evince
[07:54] <holy_cow> terrific pdf reader
[07:54] <Rug> shekhar__: the Dapper support channel is:  #ubuntu+1
[07:54] <shekhar__> ok
[07:54] <SimplyFlower> N2DIY:  i tried but nothing happens.  it just gives me the prompt again.
[07:55] <Rug> Evince is awesome
[07:55] <holy_cow> you want to always read pdf docs in a standalone app, pdf is a hell of a document to shove into a web browser via plugin
[07:55] <xerophyte> can i able to split the tar archive file into small parts ?? i have huge folder which has 12G of data
[07:55] <fogos> someone have a inspiron 6400 on ubuntu?
[07:55] <aaron__> okay.. trying to copy to a floppy here
[07:55] <aaron__> ive read cp --help
[07:55] <holy_cow> aaron__, what you need is dd
[07:56] <shekhar__> holy_cow:  thanks for your help
[07:56] <shekhar__> holy_cow:  if what i am trying to do is evil, then most of the world is evil
[07:56] <heroin> hi i messed up my drivers and now i cant see anything? can i startup a terminal before gnome starts or something?
[07:56] <holy_cow> aaron__, what you would do is sudo dd /dev/whatever /pathe/someimagefilename
[07:56] <shekhar__> holy_cow:  that's not exactly the ubuntu spirit methinks
[07:56] <holy_cow> aaron__, then you would just dd it out to the flopp with sudo dd /file /device
[07:56] <aaron__> this is what im typing : cp eb-5.4.2-eepro100.zhd /media/floppy ? but i know thats not right
[07:56] <Rug> heroin: if you hit Ctrl + alt + F1 that will give you a terminal to login with
[07:57] <holy_cow> shekhar__, just do it the right way and stop acting like a windows dip
[07:57] <nickrud> aaron__, you really need this floppy back then
[07:57] <heroin> but after gnome starts everythng is fubar
[07:57] <holy_cow> shekhar__, just because windows users think it is fine to stuff every application into a browser doesn't mean you should
[07:57] <shekhar__> holy_cow:  i have never used windows in my life
[07:57] <Rug> heroin: did you try Crtl + Alt + F1 ?
[07:57] <heroin> i will when i get out of bed
[07:57] <holy_cow> shekhar__, in that case you are aware of the principle of using the right tool for the right job
[07:57] <Rug> FFS then why ask for help?
[07:57] <holy_cow> let a browser render html, use a pdf reader to render pdf
[07:57] <N2DIY> SimpleFlower, nothing happend, and a new prompt? This is good! Now try "sudo ifup eth0"
[07:58] <nickrud> aaron__, we make fun of floppies, only because I had to use them. Whart do you need to do?
[07:58] <holy_cow> keep your life simple is all my advice means. beyond that, suit your self.
[07:58] <heroin> keep life simple get linux :( not really
[07:58] <lrojas> where can i find the iso for the dapper version of ubuntu?
[07:58] <diomedes> this having to use sudo all the time is getting annoying
[07:58] <heroin> Irojas u can just upgrade a breezy install
[07:58] <SimplyFlower> N2DIY:  ok... brb
[07:59] <Nafai> diomedes: If you want to have a root prompt, just do sudo su -
[07:59] <nickrud> heroin, no, it's keep life (or at least this part of it) under control: use linux
[07:59] <holy_cow> heroin, linux is simple, but simplicity depends on your perspective.  people conveniently forget how many years they have spent on either mac or windows and think picking up a new os will take 5 minutes
[07:59] <holy_cow> it just isn't so
[07:59] <Rug> if simple = virus+adware+spyware=0 the Linux is simple
[07:59] <monsterb> How do switch to superuser in Nautilus?
[07:59] <holy_cow> then again, its not that hard either, but it is simple
[07:59] <kurimaw> guys... what's nautilus? is it a software where i can access?
[07:59] <heroin> Rug but linux+games+drivers=not simple
[08:00] <Rug> Use the right tool for the job
[08:00] <carthik> monsterb, gksudo nautilus .
[08:00] <holy_cow> monsterb, well you don't switch to super user, you start nautilus with super user perms as in: sudo nautilus if you need to
[08:00] <carthik> kurimaw, nautilus is the file manager in Ubuntu/GNOME - the equiv of Windows explorer, so to speak
[08:00] <Rug> There are LOTS of Linux native games, several are VERY fun too.
[08:01] <holy_cow> diomedes, one says that at first coming from debian maybe, but it is an excellent technique for keeping your self from doing stupid things via carelessness
[08:01] <aaron__> ok im ready to tear it up.. i cant copy this freaking thing to the floppy because i dont know the syntax of a command line
[08:01] <Rug> If you are crying because you can't get FarCry to work, well Linux is not windows
[08:01] <aaron__> cant i shift click and run as root or something ?
[08:01] <holy_cow> aaron__, i gave you the basic idea ... where are you stuck?
[08:01] <carthik> aaron__, shift click what?
[08:01] <monsterb> carthik, holy_cow - ok thanks - I was in the middle of copying files - i was hoping i could switch to superuser without restarting Natilus.
[08:02] <aaron__> sudo cp filename /dev/ ? then what?
[08:02] <diomedes> i was just never a fan of sudo
[08:02] <SimplyFlower> N2DIY:  i'm back.  got the following: Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0
[08:02] <carthik> aaron__, use "sudo" before the command to complete the action as a superuser, without permissions.
[08:02] <holy_cow> monsterb, no and when you start nautilus with superuser privileges, anything it copies will have those priviledges too
[08:02] <Rug> diomedes: I use su all the time.  I never use sudo.
[08:02] <carthik> aaron__, /dev/fd0 is usually the floppy drive
[08:02] <aaron__> whats the floppy called? c: is hda right?
[08:02] <holy_cow> aaron__, no dude
[08:02] <aaron__> :/
[08:02] <carthik> aaron__, well, C is not always hda
[08:02] <nickrud> aaron__, two things
[08:02] <holy_cow> aaron__, dd /dev/devicename /path/to/file/image/to/create
[08:03] <carthik> aaron__, type $mount
[08:03] <nickrud> one, we're all venting
[08:03] <neiras> if you want a root prompt, "sudo -s"
[08:03] <holy_cow> aaron__, then dd /path/to/image /dev/devicename
[08:03] <carthik> aaron__, that will tell you all the mounted filesystems
[08:03] <baconbacon> lol everybodys on aaron
[08:03] <aaron__> lol
[08:03] <holy_cow> is it /dev/floppy on ubuntu? i forget i never use that
[08:03] <nickrud> two, you'll mount your floppy in the filesystem, and copy your files to that place
[08:03] <aaron__> ok
[08:03] <aaron__> lemme try that
[08:03] <N2DIY> SimpleFlower, ignoring it? So it knows it is there, but it won't play with it, interesting. I'm at a loss.
[08:03] <neiras> dd if=/path/to/image of=/path/to/device
[08:04] <holy_cow> !xgl
[08:04] <monsterb> holy_cow - once a file is in /home - will i have all priviledges without superuser?
[08:04] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[08:04] <nickrud> aaron__, sudo mount /dev/fdo /mnt
[08:04] <holy_cow> monsterb, it depends on how you copied it there.  if you copy it as the user, then it gets user perms, if you copy it as any other user it gets that users ownership.
[08:05] <N2DIY> SimpleFlower, maybe you can try some modules that are in the same family? Google search for them?
[08:05] <monsterb> holy_cow - thx
[08:06] <sethk> N2DIY, it's a tulip; that's the correct driver
[08:06] <aaron__> omg that worked
[08:06] <aaron__> thank you!!!!
[08:06] <sethk> N2DIY, it's even the older form of tulip
[08:06] <aaron__> mount /dev/fd0 /mnt
[08:06] <nickrud> aaron__, I apologize for being a few sheets to the wind :)
[08:06] <aaron__> now there's something called mnt in the computer browser
[08:07] <Rug> I forget, how do I get GDM/XDM/whatever to be launched at startup?
[08:07] <thatGuy_> anyone got an answer for flash on amd64 cpus?
[08:07] <aaron__> fuck. i cant drag and drop. why is this set up like this.
[08:07] <nickrud> aaron__, that's normal
[08:07] <holy_cow> nickrud, ummm, you really need to give them cleaner instructions bro
[08:07] <nickrud> aaron__, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MakeFloppyDriveAvailableToEveryone
[08:07] <holy_cow> ./mnt is not a very good idea
[08:08] <aaron__> mmkay
[08:08] <nickrud> holy_cow, there is no better place to mount than /mnt
[08:08] <holy_cow> you told him to mount it AS /MNT not IN /mnt/whatever .. yes?
[08:08] <N2DIY> SimpleFlower, Ok according to sethk, it needs the tulip module, modprobe, or insmod tulip, or tulip.o, and see if that works??
[08:08] <nickrud> until you've defined a permanent mount point
[08:08] <aaron__> fstab??? wtf?
[08:08] <holy_cow> i would of put it in /mount my self .. /mnt is just weird but anywhoo :)
[08:08] <SimplyFlower> N2DIY:  ok... brb
[08:09] <aaron__> oooh to do this now im using what i learned 'sudo gedit'
[08:09] <sethk> N2DIY, no, the module he's been trying to use _is_ the tulip module
[08:09] <holy_cow> lol i mean /mnt/whatever oh nm :)
[08:09] <nickrud> holy_cow, that's why /media was used for auto mounting stuff, to leave /mt available for the admin
[08:09] <holy_cow> aaron__, your picking pu quick :)
[08:10] <holy_cow> nickrud, yeah but hes mounted it as mnt :) he might potentially have something already in there ... but i digress :)
[08:10] <ubuntu> is there a good introduction to linux out there?
[08:10] <aaron__> nano? wow
[08:10] <nickrud> holy_cow, he won't. Unless he named it. But you're right, we digress :)
[08:10] <holy_cow> ubuntu, wiki.ubuntulinux.org is a great start
[08:11] <holy_cow> nickrud, :) i shutup now
[08:11] <ubuntu> thanks
[08:11] <holy_cow> hehe
[08:11] <N2DIY> ubuntu, yes look for the rute manual.
[08:11] <ubuntu> sweet, see ya
[08:12] <stjepan> what do you think of tabbed window managers?
[08:12] <s|k> !nvidia
[08:12] <ubotu> hmm... nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[08:12] <necro> X/Gnome displays only at 640x480 resolution max because I cannot figure out how to configure my 3Dfx Voodoo 3 with dri/glx enabled because I can't seem to enable bus mastering on my system.  Is there a generic video driver I can use to display at 1600x1200 resolution without direct rendering?
[08:12] <aaron__> how do i get rid of that floppy drive : mnt thing?
[08:13] <N2DIY> sethk, ok, gravity is starting get strange here, and my video procesors are acting weird, it's probably best if I log out.
[08:13] <holy_cow> umount /mnt
[08:13] <aaron__> oh i guess thats another thing i have to do as root?
[08:14] <nickrud> aaron__, sudo umount /mnt
[08:14] <SimplyFlower> N2DIY: i'm back.  insmod returned with no such file.  modprobe tulip took me back to the prompt.  what now?
[08:15] <aaron__> im doing that
[08:15] <sethk> SimplyFlower, it can't give you "no such file" if you give it the full path to the file
[08:15] <aaron__> ....
[08:15] <sethk> SimplyFlower, which is what I told you to do.  that was the purpose of the find, to get the path
[08:16] <nickrud> aaron__, floppies are like usbsticks in windows, you mount them, and before you take them out you 'eject/unmount' them
[08:17] <SimplyFlower> sethk: i typed the full path, but the terminal is changing my dashes (-) into underscores (_).  i don't know why.  therefore, the path it is reading is incorrect.
[08:18] <sethk> SimplyFlower, then cd to the directory and use ./filename
[08:18] <aaron__> another dumb question
[08:18] <sethk> SimplyFlower, but the shell (the terminal is just a display device) does not change dashes to underscores.
[08:18] <N2DIY> SimpleFlower, modprobe gave you a prompt, god, try " ifup eth0" again.
[08:18] <aaron__> does linux wait until unmount to write changes to floppies?
[08:18] <sethk> SimplyFlower, tell me exactly what you typed
[08:18] <aaron__> thansk for your help with the fstab
[08:18] <N2DIY> I meant good not god!
[08:19] <aaron__> i went to terminal and did mount /dev/fd0 and dragged and dropped what i wanted...but didnt see a light on tht floppy drive
[08:19] <holy_cow> !xgl
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[08:19] <aaron__> then I did umount /dev/fd0 and it came on
[08:19] <aaron__> well see
[08:19] <holy_cow> aaron__, heh no
[08:19] <aaron__> oh no!
[08:19] <nickrud> aaron__, that's easy. It's because linux assumes you're more interested in reading than writing. It'll sync when you're not reading, or when you say,, umount
[08:19] <holy_cow> aaron__, everything in /dev are physical device nodes
[08:19] <N2DIY> SimpleFlower, can you see the card with lsmod, or lspci?
[08:19] <holy_cow> you cant umount that
[08:20] <holy_cow> you can only mount the locations you mounted those devices to
[08:20] <SimplyFlower> sethk:  i typed: modprobe /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/kernel/drivers/net/tulip/de4x5.ko
[08:20] <aaron__> wwell it looked like it worked
[08:20] <holy_cow> so if you do mount /dev/thisdevice /to/this/location
[08:20] <aaron__> !!
[08:20] <ubotu> aaron__: Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:20] <holy_cow> you do umount /to/this/location
[08:21] <aaron__> i dont understand that abstraction.. i dont know where things are at
[08:21] <holy_cow> not yet give it time
[08:21] <aaron__> something is on the desktop and i want it on a floppy
[08:21] <holy_cow> there is too much to absorb in one night, it will all fall into place shortly
[08:22] <nickrud> holy_cow, do you have a floppy in hand?
[08:22] <nickrud> cuz I don't
[08:22] <ic56> holy_cow: you are mistaken.  umount will accept either the device or the mountpoint as its argument.  The device argument is the older usage (from the 70s)
[08:22] <N2DIY> SimpleFlower, try "modprobe tulip", or "modprob de4x5" forget the paths, and let linux figure them out.
[08:22] <holy_cow> nickrud, nope i just setup a mini pc :) no floppy anywhere, i'm actually not installing cdroms anymore either, everything is network based
[08:22] <holy_cow> oh i stand corrected, what ic56 said
[08:23] <holy_cow> *nod*
[08:23] <SimplyFlower> N2DIY:  don't understand what you mean.  but will try the ifup eth0 again... brb
[08:23] <nickrud> holy_cow, cuz I recognize what you're saying, we just don't have the device in hand :)
[08:23] <holy_cow> *nod*
[08:23] <Rug> I am having problems with my printer.  Cups is asking for a login/pass (when I access it via <IP_ADDRESS>:631)  I have tried my root and user pass.  What am I forgetting?
[08:24] <N2DIY> SimpleFlower, ok just remember to prefix everything with sudo, I'm new to Ubuntu too, so I keep forgettig that.
[08:24] <nickrud> Rug, sudo adduser cupsys shadow && sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart , then try the :631 again.
[08:24] <Rug> nick Thansk
[08:25] <holy_cow> nickrud, please don't tell them to that
[08:25] <nickrud> Rug, using your sudo self
[08:25] <holy_cow> damnit
[08:25] <nickrud> holy_cow, what other way is there?
[08:25] <holy_cow> Rug, there is no html gui frontend meant to be accessible via ubuntu
[08:25] <holy_cow> other way for what?
[08:25] <holy_cow> use the damn gui
[08:25] <nickrud> holy_cow, I've used lynx for that without a gui
[08:25] <holy_cow> why?
[08:25] <holy_cow> ubuntu is a desktop, use the gui provided
[08:26] <_harm> hi
[08:26] <nickrud> holycow, hm. point
[08:26] <N2DIY> Lynx is a cli client!
[08:26] <Rug> No.  I can't   AND  I'm using fluxbox so the gnome crap isn't there
[08:26] <holy_cow> Rug, okay in that case what nickrud said
[08:27] <Rug> =)  ok will-do
[08:27] <SimplyFlower> N2DIY and sethk:  i'm back.  i've done everything as instructed.  still no go.  and yes i'm using sudo everytime... forgot to mention that.  anything else?
[08:28] <HedgeMage> Rug: if you add yourself to the group lpadmin you should be able to access the webmin using your username and pw
[08:28] <cliche> hi?
[08:28] <cliche> anybody here?
[08:28] <Rug> HedgeMage: thanks
[08:28] <Rug> cliche: nope
[08:28] <mzinz> For some reason when Ubuntu is booting, it will stall on "initializing network interfaces" for 3-5 minutes.. it happens 80% of the time.  Anyone have any clue why?
[08:28] <cliche> hahaha :)
[08:28] <ic56> !justask
[08:28] <ubotu> Ask your question and we'll try to answer it.
[08:29] <ic56> mzinz: do you use DHCP?  If so, it could be the DHCP server is slow to respond to you.
[08:29] <N2DIY> SimpleFlower, yes, is this a laptop? Make and model?  Laptops can be strange.
[08:30] <HedgeMage> Rug: np... mind you, I'm already on dapper so there's an off chance it's different if you're not... /etc/cups/conf.d will have a line in it specifying which group can admin cups :)
[08:30] <sethk> mzinz, you are configured for DHCP but there is no dhcp server on your network
[08:30] <cliche> ok... a question: when is the usb wireless card has its own driver?
[08:31] <nickrud> HedgeMage, it wasn't sufficient for breezy
[08:31] <Rug> HedgeMage: no, it's all good.   Thanks for the tip.
[08:31] <holy_cow> your question doesn't make a lot of sense, careto rephrase a bit cliche ?
[08:31] <PORDO> is there a version of the kernel i can get through apt-get that has the low latency or realtime lsm thing or whatever?
[08:31] <holy_cow> oh wait, broken english, parsing error
[08:31] <holy_cow> lol
[08:31] <SimplyFlower> N2DIY:  no... its a generic built desktop with an AMD Athlon 550 MHz, 256 Mb ram, 2 hard drives
[08:31] <HedgeMage> Rug: np
[08:31] <holy_cow> cliche, generally speaking if it doesn't exist now, your manufacturer will never release one
[08:31] <sethk> SimplyFlower, you have to understand that what you are telling us isn't correct, because it can't happen that way.
[08:31] <cliche> there is pci one, no driver for the usb type
[08:31] <cliche> :(
[08:32] <holy_cow> cliche, the rule of thumb is hardware manufacturers have little to no clue about open source, and a lot of them have driver issues with even windows so expect little
[08:32] <sethk> SimplyFlower, you couldn't have done a cd to the directory, and an insmod of the file from that directory
[08:32] <Rug> G'night all
[08:32] <sethk> SimplyFlower, because, had you done it, it either would work or you would get an error message
[08:32] <holy_cow> cliche, as with anything, you must research first and make sure th ehardware is supported
[08:32] <cliche> holy_cow, d a m i t i t
[08:33] <N2DIY> SimpleFlower, ok, has it ever had linux on it?
[08:33] <holy_cow> cliche, people are lazy, cruel and shortsighted.  it can be a beautiful world, everyone simply chooses to not make it so
[08:34] <nickrud> 's definition when it comes time to buy a lapton
[08:34] <holy_cow> i buy laptop with the exclusive note that all the chipsets are supported.
[08:35] <holy_cow> heh
[08:35] <nickrud> Someday I'll find a vendor who'll let me boot my own darn cd,  and test it
[08:35] <SimplyFlower> sethk:  i did change to the directory... my prompt reads as the following: chirpie@ubuntu:/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/kernel/drivers/net/tulip$
[08:36] <holy_cow> acer has a linux laptop you can buy ... its super low end but it works
[08:36] <holy_cow> you should be able to buy one without windows
[08:36] <HymnToLife> all of HP stuff works great with Linux too
[08:36] <nickrud> cheap is god , holy_cow :)
[08:36] <sethk> SimplyFlower, ok, and what command did you type in from there?
[08:36] <cliche> the second question: is there a high-end laptop totally designed for linux/bsd?
[08:37] <sethk> cliche, "designed for" is microsoft propaganda.  there is no such thing
[08:37] <Ohzie> Is there a way that I can upgrade from breezy to dapper with synaptic?
[08:37] <cliche> such as: "designed for linux/bsd" tags
[08:37] <ice_1963> i got my laptop for $50 :)
[08:37] <HymnToLife> now THAT would be fun
[08:38] <sethk> cliche, you can buy a tag maker
[08:38] <HymnToLife> A "Designed for *nix" sticker on a laptop :p
[08:38] <cliche> such as: "we recommend you to use linux/bsd" tags
[08:38] <Ohzie> In reference to a laptop for linux/bsd
[08:38] <sethk> cliche, why would they do that?  they make no profit if you use linux or bsd
[08:38] <Ohzie> I have a recommendation
[08:38] <holy_cow> cliche, one day perhaps
[08:38] <Ohzie> Anything with an nVidia card. ;D
[08:38] <_harm> where is the source.list locatedD?
[08:38] <HymnToLife> sethk> to look kewl
[08:38] <sethk> cliche, they sell you windows and mark it up
[08:39] <Ohzie> The older dv5000's from HP are ridiculously awesome for linux. Run Ubuntu like a dreeeeeaaaaaam
[08:39] <HymnToLife> _harm> /etc/apt
[08:39] <h4ch3r> they waked up
[08:39] <HymnToLife> Ohzie> all HP stuff does
[08:39] <cliche> sethk, hahaha, nice oke
[08:39] <cliche> sethk, hahaha, nice joke
[08:39] <sethk> cliche, I have ubuntu running on four laptops
[08:39] <sethk> cliche, it isn't a joke, it's perfectly serious
[08:39] <holy_cow> you know i don't trust hp for anything but printers
[08:39] <sethk> cliche, they are running a business.  their purpose is to sell you stuff for more than they have to pay for it
[08:40] <Ohzie> Speaking of ubuntu...can I upgrade to dapper drake from breezy via synaptic! :D
[08:40] <holy_cow> all their towers are monstrous pieces of crap
[08:40] <sethk> cliche, they aren't going to put a tag on their box that says "please, pay us less"
[08:40] <h4ch3r> I use ltsp 4,2 in ubuntu dapper. but do not obtain to initiate xserver in the stations!  :(
[08:40] <holy_cow> and their laptops have historically been primed for proprietary components
[08:40] <HymnToLife> I have had thee HP laptops and one desktop, all of them ran Ubuntu like a charm
[08:40] <cliche> sethk, even they sole you the sh*t?
[08:40] <sethk> holy_cow, hp laptops have awful keyboards
[08:40] <h4ch3r> I am with problem in lts.conf....nao I obtain to initiate xserver in the station
[08:40] <SimplyFlower> sethk:  i've tried everything i was told.  i typed sudo modprobe de4x5.ko, sudo modprobe de4x5, sudo modprobe de4x5.o, sudo modprobe /fullpath/de4x5.ko, sudo modprobe /fulpath/de4x5, sudo modprobe /fulpath/de4x5.0 ... the same was typed using insmod instead of modprobe.
[08:40] <jmg> as long as it boots
[08:41] <sethk> cliche, microsoft gives them free advertising and all sorts of incentives so you use use windows.
[08:41] <holy_cow> *nod* their tower cases suck dell ass, and dell is as bad as it gets for bad case design imho
[08:41] <sethk> SimplyFlower, none of those are what I told you to type
[08:41] <sethk> SimplyFlower, everything I type is significant.  you can't leave parts out.
[08:41] <Ohzie> Microsoft's new advertising service launches on the second of May.
[08:41] <h4ch3r> they alquem uses ltsp 4.2?  or it has lts.conf that it can pass me
[08:41] <h4ch3r> ????????????????????????????????????????????????
[08:41] <sethk> SimplyFlower, type insmod ./de4x5.ko
[08:41] <h4ch3r> HELP ME
[08:41] <cliche> sethk, is that behave legal?
[08:41] <h4ch3r> =(
[08:41] <sethk> SimplyFlower, if you leave out the ./, it isn't going to work
[08:41] <HymnToLife> !helpme
[08:41] <ubotu> If you do not actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[08:41] <holy_cow> Ohzie, what does it do? spam your windows install or what?
[08:41] <holy_cow> cliche, actually no
[08:42] <sethk> cliche, of course.  they are quite up front about their purpose.  they are in business to make money
[08:42] <holy_cow> cliche, they have been convicted of monoply practices in the us and eu now
[08:42] <Ohzie> It's basically like google's search sponsered ads, but for msn search./
[08:42] <holy_cow> cliche, us didn't want to do anything because it would cost them jobs
[08:42] <holy_cow> eu is going through the appeals process now for that
[08:42] <nano> Hi, I needed a resource to help me learn how to enable 3d support from scratch...any leads?
[08:42] <sethk> cliche, holy_cow is correct, there is a chance the e.u. will force them to change.  never happen in the us
[08:42] <cliche> sethk, even they make too much money already?
[08:42] <holy_cow> cliche, basically its up to us to make the change and educate those areound us
[08:43] <holy_cow> cliche, the only way freedom will win is if we change our selves and our culture
[08:43] <cliche> hahaha
[08:43] <sethk> cliche, I've been working in seattle lately, in a building where Paul Allen has his office.  Two blocks from there are a dozen homeless shelters.  People begging for food, lining up for blocks for free meals.
[08:43] <holy_cow> cliche, why are you laughing? ubuntu is only 3 years old
[08:43] <holy_cow> cliche, its one of the biggest distros on th eplanet
[08:43] <sethk> cliche, they could feed all these people and never even feel it.  they don't
[08:43] <holy_cow> lots can happen, you just haveto have the willpower
[08:44] <holy_cow> but poitn being, mark had no clue this was going to happen when he started it
[08:44] <cliche> will-power?
[08:44] <SimplyFlower> N2DIY:  it has never had a linux installed, but has run PuppyLinux, and SystemRescue from the cd that uses linux and has gotten an internet connection with both.  It also has installed on it windowsXP
[08:44] <holy_cow> look at mozilla, they have a staff of 30 now
[08:44] <holy_cow> who knows give it time
[08:44] <holy_cow> microsoft didn't become microsoft overnight
[08:45] <holy_cow> it took them 30 years
[08:45] <etmnt> can somebody please help me. My applications menu pops up for a second and then it disapears and I see a small 3x3px square!
[08:45] <aaron__> ugh
[08:45] <etmnt> I don't want to reformat again
[08:45] <etmnt> :(
[08:45] <etmnt> any idea?
[08:45] <aaron__> on startup i get error 17 from grub : http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=120802
[08:45] <holy_cow> etmnt, i have never heard of that
[08:45] <holy_cow> etmnt, what are your systetm specs?
[08:45] <ice_1963> well uninstall windowsxp
[08:45] <etmnt> AXP 3200+, 1GB, 6800
[08:46] <etmnt> it worked an hour ago
[08:46] <etmnt> now stopped...
[08:46] <Imsdle> i have setup my ubuntu as an Internet gateway but it is not very reliable... anyone got any suggestions
[08:46] <h4ch3r> trident 2MB
[08:46] <sethk> SimplyFlower, why don't you type the command in correctly and tell us what message you get
[08:46] <Imsdle> it works sometimes but not others
[08:46] <etmnt> I don't know what to do, I can't afford to reformat again
[08:46] <cliche> the third question: if Bill could restart again, would he join the free source camp?
[08:46] <SimplyFlower> sethk: i'm sorry.  so many messages coming through... must have missed that one about ./ ... will try now... brb
[08:46] <holy_cow> etmnt, ati video card?
[08:46] <etmnt> I even tried to add the other gnome menu where it's just 1 button, but same exact thing happens
[08:46] <etmnt> nvidia 6800
[08:46] <holy_cow> *hmmm*
[08:46] <etmnt> everything was fine an hour ago, but it started happening
[08:47] <etmnt> places and system work
[08:47] <holy_cow> that sounds driver related ... not sure what to say actually, i've never heard of that issue
[08:47] <etmnt> but applications doesnt
[08:47] <N2DIY> SimplyFlower, winders is the problem, I think? It doesn't like playing with other operatig system, on the same hard drives, or even partitions.
[08:47] <etmnt> applications pops up for a single second and then disapears
[08:48] <holy_cow> etmnt, well try this
[08:48] <RobyX> Uh what was the command to install from Desktop "C ~/Desktop" or something like that?
[08:48] <holy_cow> open up a terminal and startup something like gedit from terminal
[08:48] <holy_cow> look for error messages
[08:48] <RobyX> I accidently removed my command list -_-
[08:48] <cliche> etmnt, disappear?
[08:48] <etmnt> gedit opens fine
[08:48] <etmnt> yeah
[08:48] <holy_cow> RobyX, install what?
[08:48] <holy_cow> etmnt, what about other applications?
[08:48] <cliche> etmnt, weird :(
[08:48] <etmnt> it comes up and disapears, places and system work fine though
[08:48] <etmnt> :(
[08:49] <ic56> aaron__: are you sure your boot partition is the 2nd partition on that disk?
[08:49] <RobyX> I remember installing .deb files I had to put something so I can install it from the desktop
[08:49] <etmnt> every app runs fine but applications disapears. I don't know what to do
[08:49] <holy_cow> etmnt, are you running breezy or dapper?
[08:49] <etmnt> breezy
[08:49] <etmnt> I been running very nice for about 2 weeks and this happend an hour ago, no idea why
[08:49] <etmnt> so I restart
[08:49] <cliche> etmnt, which application?
[08:49] <etmnt> and same thing
[08:49] <aaron__> ic56 there should be NOTHING else on the disk right?
[08:49] <etmnt> just "Applications" the menu
[08:49] <aaron__> im trying to put grub on a thin client
[08:49] <etmnt> when I click it I see the list
[08:49] <etmnt> for a second
[08:50] <etmnt> then it disapears
[08:50] <ice_1963> it's a gnome bug
[08:50] <aaron__> i used fdisk on a floppy to take all the partitions off
[08:50] <holy_cow> etmnt, you don't put grub on a thinclient
[08:50] <etmnt> huh?
[08:50] <holy_cow> sorry that was for aaron
[08:50] <aaron__> holy_cow : thats what the instructions said to do : https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/BootingClientsWithoutPxe
[08:50] <ice_1963> if your useing gnome 2.14
[08:50] <holy_cow> really? that doesn't sound right
[08:51] <cliche> 2.14? lol
[08:51] <ic56> aaron__: you have configured grub to boot from the local hard disk.
[08:51] <aaron__> im at the bottom : Delete all existing partitions with the d key, then make a new one with the n key. (A small partition is fine). Activate the partition you created with the a key, then press w to write it to disk and exit.
[08:51] <aaron__> B
[08:51] <etmnt> teag
[08:51] <etmnt> yeah*
[08:51] <etmnt> 2.14
[08:51] <etmnt> no
[08:51] <etmnt> 2.12
[08:51] <aaron__> it asks should it be primary or extended.. i dunno
[08:51] <aaron__> i make it primary... then it wants a number.. so i picked 1
[08:51] <aaron__> but i have no idea
[08:51] <etmnt> I even loaded failsafe gnome
[08:51] <etmnt> same problem
[08:52] <holy_cow> aaron__, that should be fine
[08:52] <aaron__> this problem is on 2 computers
[08:52] <ice_1963> well i'm running 2.14 :0)
[08:52] <ice_1963> deb
[08:52] <ice_1963> sid
[08:52] <cliche> *sigh*, a bug in a live-cd is horrible
[08:52] <aaron__> :/
[08:52] <cliche> :|
[08:52] <holy_cow> it just means grub can't find the kernel
[08:53] <holy_cow> or whatever
[08:53] <aaron__> 17 : Cannot mount selected partition
[08:53] <aaron__> This error is returned if the partition requested exists, but the filesystem type cannot be recognized by GRUB.
[08:53] <_nano_> how do I install a graphics driver?
[08:53] <etmnt> anybody know of any .deb files f 2.14?
[08:53] <aaron__> theres all this arcana about fixing it
[08:53] <_nano_> glxinfo says "direct rendering: no"
[08:53] <aaron__> but its greek
[08:54] <SimplyFlower> sethk:  i'm back.  typed sudo insmod ./de4x5.ko got the following:  insmod: error inserting './de4x5.ko' : -1 File exists.  then typed:  sudo modprope ./de4x5.ko got the following: FATAL: Module ./de4x5.ko not found.  did i type it right this time?
[08:54] <etmnt> I really don't want to reformat again
[08:54] <sethk> SimplyFlower, don't type modprobe when I tell you to type insmod
[08:54] <aaron__> im ready to put windows back on these things.
[08:54] <holy_cow> aaron__, wow you got that far eh?
[08:54] <holy_cow> is this your first time using linux?
[08:54] <aaron__> yah
[08:55] <sethk> SimplyFlower, ok, you got an error inserting the module.  then you got file exists.  that's almost certainly because the module is already inserted
[08:55] <holy_cow> lol you need to do more research, but sure put windows back on
[08:55] <sethk> SimplyFlower, do lsmod, see if de4x5 is listed
[08:55] <holy_cow> have fund cleaning perpetually win boxen of spyware :) you are so close bro don't give up
[08:55] <aaron__> but itll be a mess... i dont want a mess. i just want it to work.
[08:55] <holy_cow> why not give it a night and continue later
[08:56] <aaron__> lol.
[08:56] <SimplyFlower> sethk:  ok... i will type ismod and see what is listed... brb
[08:56] <holy_cow> looking at those instructions tho, thats pretty simple to setup, i'm not sure where the problem is right now.  fixing a grub related issue can be tricky... especially over irc :)
[08:56] <holy_cow> *hmm*
[08:57] <etmnt> can anybody help me? I can show you want I mean with VNC
[08:57] <aaron__> thanks for your help... everyone.
[08:57] <AnAnt> how can I disable tap-to-click in Xorg ?!
[08:58] <AnAnt> I tried setting MaxTapTime to 0
[08:58] <AnAnt> but it didn't work
[08:58] <holy_cow> aaron__, okay basically you seem to either have messed up the partition
[08:58] <holy_cow> or you messed up the floppy
[08:58] <aaron__> lol. this is on 2 computers that this happens
[08:58] <holy_cow> aaron__, fixing that is rather tough over irc
[08:59] <holy_cow> aaron__, your making the same mistake twice
[08:59] <plutonas> hello, I convinced a friend of me to intsall linux across with windows on his computer, and he choosed ubuntu. He downloaded the disk, and burned it on a cd, and now wants me to go, install it, configure it and show him something about linux. What do I need to know and what should I have with me? I think I need partion magic for ubuntu right? what else?
[08:59] <aaron__> i think i messed up the partitions coz it doesnt look like what the instructions say
[08:59] <holy_cow> it happens a lot when you try to force your self to do something, particularly when you expect it to work like windows and its not windows
[08:59] <holy_cow> aaron__, thus
[08:59] <holy_cow> you can just go back to the partition bit
[08:59] <holy_cow> and retry
[08:59] <skeff> is there a console/terminal apt frontend?
[08:59] <aaron__> i did that.
[08:59] <aaron__> resized it from 4886 or something to 1024 whatever that means
[09:00] <PORDO> can someone tell me how i'd remedy the problem of not having gtk-config found?
[09:00] <holy_cow> try again damnit :)
[09:00] <AnAnt> skeff: apt-get ?
[09:00] <aaron__> lol
[09:00] <skeff> AnAnt, with ncurses interface or something
[09:00] <AnAnt> skeff: oh, dunno
[09:00] <aaron__> editing the registry is more fun than this
[09:00] <holy_cow> aaron__, the instructions don't seem to be asking you to resize
[09:00] <jmg> plutonas: are you a linux newbie?
[09:00] <holy_cow> *sigh*
[09:00] <aaron__> they dont..
[09:00] <holy_cow> then go edit a registry
[09:00] <holy_cow> lol
[09:00] <plutonas> jmg, no I'm not, but not an expert either
[09:00] <plutonas> I'm a newbie at ubuntu, never seen them installed
[09:01] <holy_cow> jesus, why is it that noobs always expect everything instantly? knowledge isn't free
[09:01] <jmg> plutonas: if you need to resize a partition the best software is partition expert, if he has windows xp
[09:01] <etmnt> anybody have a deb package of gnome 2.14... I guess thats my only hope
[09:01] <plutonas> but I use debian for the last 3 weeks and befora that fedora and mandrake
[09:01] <jmg> plutonas: read the wiki
[09:01] <aaron__> hmm...?
[09:01] <plutonas> jmg, link?
[09:01] <jmg> plutonas: installing is identical to debian
[09:01] <ic56> aaron__: there's a lot of disks on that box.  How do you know that your SCSI disk is hd2?  I suspect you have grub installed on one of the IDE disks and that is the one that's being invoked.
[09:01] <bluelotus> return (blah) if (blah), else false?
[09:01] <bluelotus> oops
[09:02] <jmg> plutonas: except ubuntu uses sudo
[09:02] <aaron__> huh?
[09:02] <jmg> plutonas: wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:02] <plutonas> jmg, I see and there isn't support for mp3's dvd etc right?
[09:02] <aaron__> on the computer im putting it on theres only one HD
[09:02] <aaron__> and in fdisk i deleted all the partitions and tried to make a new one
[09:02] <holy_cow> and?
[09:02] <ic56> aaron__: please name the person you are addressing.  "huh?" doesn't tell me if you are confused by what I said or by what holy_cow said.
[09:02] <holy_cow> did you write the changes back?
[09:03] <aaron__> oh.. yah w
[09:03] <holy_cow> allright ..
[09:03] <aaron__> then i did this dd if=/mnt/eb-5.4.1-3c90x.zhd of=/dev/hda1
[09:03] <N2DIY> Goodnight, 73 N2DIY
[09:03] <aaron__> if the thing that i download wasnt for the right ethernet card it wouldnt cause this problem...
[09:03] <holy_cow> did it indicate a successfull write?
[09:03] <SimplyFlower> sethk:  i'm back.  typed lsmod got:  Module: de4x5  Size: 43424  Used by: 0  (tulip was there also)
[09:04] <AnAnt> is there an unstable repository for Ubuntu ?
[09:04] <ic56> aaron__: did you previously have linux installed on this machine?
[09:04] <holy_cow> AnAnt, no
[09:04] <aaron__> yah something like 50+1
[09:04] <sethk> SimplyFlower, ok, then you successfully inserted the module, probably an hour ago or more.  It's there.
[09:04] <aaron__> yes ic56 there was straight ubuntu on it before
[09:04] <holy_cow> AnAnt, ubuntu IS debians UNSTABLE just polished and frozen
[09:04] <sethk> SimplyFlower, do ifconfig -a, see if your interface shows up
[09:04] <N2DIY> Belay my last.
[09:05] <AnAnt> holy_cow: u mean, there is no debian package of gpm version 1.20 ?
[09:05] <SimplyFlower> sethk:  ok... will type ifconfig -a ... brb
[09:05] <ic56> aaron__: you probably still have a grub installed in the boot sector of the disk from your previous installation.  You have 2 copies of grub
[09:05] <ic56>  and the old one is the one being invoked.
[09:05] <aaron__> ahh
[09:05] <aaron__> how do i fix that?
[09:05] <holy_cow> AnAnt, it would depend on debian not ubuntu.  ubuntu just freezes their unstable every 6 months ... on debian new stuff is always dropping in you shouldcheck there
[09:06] <holy_cow> ic56, excellent point actually, i'm drawing a blank take over :)
[09:06] <N2DIY> SimpleFlower, does lsmod tell you what iterface the card is using, eth0 or something like that?
[09:06] <nickrud> aaron__, I don't think you do.  of=/dev/hda1
[09:06] <jmg> plutonas: its in the wiki search for RestrictedFormats
[09:06] <jmg> !dvd
[09:06] <ubotu> DVD playing is possible in ubuntu. You may need libdvdcss2, which is available via http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages (section extras)
[09:06] <ic56> holy_cow: I don't remember how to correctly clear the boot sector.
[09:07] <AnAnt> holy_cow: could I add debian unstable repository to Ubuntu's apt-get ?
[09:07] <jmg> !wiki
[09:07] <skeff> AnAnt, found it, aptitude is the command, or dselect for a less fancy one.
[09:07] <AnAnt> skeff: for what ?
[09:07] <AnAnt> skeff: oh ok
[09:07] <holy_cow> AnAnt, nope, not binary compatable, not for any particular reason than you can't mix rapidly moving targets
[09:07] <plutonas> jmg, thanks
[09:07] <jmg> !mp3
[09:07] <ubotu> hmm... mp3 is a non-free format. To enable mp3 capability, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:07] <ic56> nickrud: hda1 is different from hda.  The boot sector of the disk isn't overwritten when you dd of=/dev/hda1
[09:07] <aaron__> one thing that seemed weird : when in fdisk and trying to delete partitions it first said pick 1-5
[09:07] <AnAnt> skeff: cool, thx
[09:08] <aaron__> then after I deleted 1 of them, it said pick 1-4..But wouldnt delete them coz it said they were empty names or something
[09:08] <skeff> AnAnt, heh, if you care, somebody else might care, but either way, now you may know it. For the time when you lose your ati or nvidia driver
[09:08] <AnAnt> holy_cow: u mean I can add the source not binary repository?
[09:08] <AnAnt> skeff: well, I am mostly on virtual console
[09:08] <nickrud> ic56, I was thinking that whatever he had on hda1 (usually windows or it's backup) was hosed
[09:08] <aaron__> theres NOTHING on these
[09:08] <holy_cow> AnAnt, i would presume so, never done that tho ....
[09:08] <zith> how do I figure out free hard drive space on each of my drives?
[09:09] <AnAnt> skeff: are u good at linux console ? I have a couple of problems here
[09:09] <AnAnt> zith: df -h
[09:09] <holy_cow> aaron__, chances are there is,most windows users don't know anything about boot sector and thats always there after a reformat
[09:09] <AnAnt> zith: that's for mounted partitions
[09:09] <nickrud> ic56, if I came in late enough that that was wrong, that's just fine :)
[09:09] <zith> AnAnt: thanks :)
[09:09] <aaron__> :/ a volunteer installed ubuntu earlier in the week and formatted all the drives during the install
[09:09] <AnAnt> np
[09:09] <holy_cow> aaron__, thats the problem
[09:10] <holy_cow> aaron__, your old ubuntu bootsector is looking for the OLD ubuntu kernel
[09:10] <SimplyFlower> sethk:  i'm back... still not showing.  i've got:  lo   Link encap: Local Loopback     and     sit0   Link encap: IPv6-n-IPv4
[09:10] <AnAnt> I got a problem with Ubuntu's virtual console
[09:10] <AnAnt> when I press Shift+PageUP , I get this:
[09:10] <AnAnt> [4296178.253000]  atkbd.c: Unknown key pressed (translated set 2, code 0xaa on isa0060/serio0).
[09:10] <fogos> hi someone knows on what folders are the videocard drivers of xorg?
[09:10] <AnAnt> [4296178.253000]  atkbd.c: Use 'setkeycodes e02a <keycode>' to make it known.
[09:10] <AnAnt> anyone knows what I should do ?
[09:10] <sethk> SimplyFlower, ok.  the lo is loopback; it has nothing to do with hardware.  sit0 is a virtual ipv6 interface which also  is not relevant.
[09:10] <aaron__> hmm.. okay holy_cow...
[09:11] <N2DIY> sit0? What's that?
[09:11] <sethk> SimplyFlower, what I would normally do in a case like this is to rebuild the kernel with the driver compiled into the kernel (instead of using a module).
[09:11] <sethk> N2DIY, that's an ipv6 thing, ignore it.
[09:11] <N2DIY> 70-4
[09:11] <sethk> N2DIY, your systems will likely show it if you do ifconfig -a
[09:12] <N2DIY> whoops, I meant 10-4
[09:12] <sethk> N2DIY, :)
[09:12] <sethk> SimplyFlower, odds are it still won't work, though
[09:12] <holy_cow> aaron__, what i don't get is how the instructions they gave you have anything to do with a bootloader, i don't see how a  bootloader would know where your dd'd image is
[09:12] <sethk> SimplyFlower, where did the information about the NIC's chip set come from?
[09:12] <aaron__> i dunno.
[09:13] <holy_cow> ic56, any ideas?
[09:13] <sethk> holy_cow, from a network server probably using BOOTP or PXE
[09:13] <SimplyFlower> sethk:  from device manager
[09:13] <holy_cow> sethk, should he then just dd out his bootsector?
[09:13] <aaron__> i am setting up a lab of thin clients
[09:13] <aaron__> but they cant boot from the network
[09:14] <holy_cow> ... yet
[09:14] <holy_cow> don't give up dude
[09:14] <aaron__> so the instructions say to put something on the HD that will pull it over the network.. so
[09:14] <_harm> how do i remove games from ubuntu?
[09:14] <holy_cow> with synaptic harm
[09:14] <sethk> aaron__, you shouldn't have to resort to using dd
[09:14] <_harm> k
[09:14] <sethk> aaron__, if your hardware supports BOOTP, that's much easier.  Sometimes you need extra firmware on the NICs for bootp
[09:14] <ic56> holy_cow: the instructions for setting up thinclients assume a generic boot loader exists on the drive which will look in the first partition.  This is a reasonable assumption for new systems.
[09:14] <sethk> aaron__, or support in the BIOS
[09:15] <holy_cow> ic56, ah okay
[09:15] <sethk> aaron__, the thing with dd is a hack for machines that don't really support network boot
[09:15] <aaron__> ok
[09:15] <aaron__> theres no option in the bios to boot from ethernet
[09:15] <sethk> aaron__, the thing is, any tiny detail will make that sort of hack not work
[09:15] <RobyX> What's a good torrent client for Linux
[09:15] <PhilKC> Azureus.
[09:15] <RobyX> Ok ill try that
[09:15] <PhilKC> Don't use the package manager to get it...
[09:15] <sethk> aaron__, and unless you are good at the network bit level or have a hardware ethernet analyzer (or both), there isn't a lot you can do
[09:15] <aaron__> i dunno what dd is.. im just doing the instructions :/
[09:16] <holy_cow> sethk, so it might be cheaper to just buy nick cards with pxe support eh?
[09:16] <sethk> SimplyFlower, do lspci, if you haven't already, see what it says about the NIC
[09:16] <PhilKC> RobyX, http://azureus.sourceforge.net, grab the bz2 from there, extract, and run...
[09:16] <sethk> holy_cow, sure, but if you are buying, do BOOTP
[09:16] <sethk> holy_cow, the server setup for BOOTP is basically trivial
[09:16] <PhilKC> RobyX, The package manager version is... fubar.
[09:16] <holy_cow> really eh?
[09:16] <SimplyFlower> sethk:  ok ... brb
[09:16] <sethk> holy_cow, you set up a tftp server
[09:16] <sethk> holy_cow, bootp is much newer and much easier, at least to me.
[09:17] <holy_cow> huh
[09:17] <holy_cow> thats neat
[09:17] <aaron__> brb
[09:17] <sethk> hmm, according to this email I just got, I'm going to be the "man that women desire"
[09:17] <sethk> none of the spam filters are worth a damn
[09:18] <holy_cow> seth bootp looks neat
[09:18] <holy_cow> thanks for the heads up
[09:18] <holy_cow> seems all the onboard stuff is pix
[09:18] <aaron__> woah wait
[09:18] <aaron__> omg
[09:18] <aaron__> they can boot
[09:18] <sethk> aaron__, well, that was easy.  :)
[09:19] <sethk> aaron__, what did you do?
[09:19] <holy_cow> lol
[09:19] <aaron__> except the one where we had to replace the motherboard
[09:19] <holy_cow> sethk, you work effin magic
[09:19] <sethk> holy_cow, :)
[09:19] <holy_cow> aaron__, so what happened, you just had to wait?
[09:19] <aaron__> we have 8 but the mobo got fried on one coz of the powersupply
[09:19] <neutrinomass> Hello. I have a weird sound issue with ubuntu 5.10. The sound card is detected OK by the kernel and alsa. Programs play music, the volume is open, the speakers correctly connected but I can hear nothing. How does one troubleshoot such a situation ?
[09:19] <sethk> aaron__, must be different firmware on that mobo (or it's a different mobo)
[09:19] <aaron__> but it says its looing for DHCP and thers not one
[09:19] <aaron__> :/
[09:19] <sethk> aaron__, that's easy to set up
[09:19] <sethk> aaron__, three minutes
[09:20] <holy_cow> aaron__, :) dude
[09:20] <mephisto_> hallo
[09:20] <sethk> neutrinomass, if it has a headphone jack, plug in a pair of phones and see if you hear anything
[09:20] <holy_cow> do you have any idea how advanced your stupid little project is for someone thats never seen linux?
[09:20] <holy_cow> :)
[09:20] <sethk> neutrinomass, make sure the levels are up on the input part of the mixer, not just the output
[09:20] <SimplyFlower> sethk:  i'm back.  lspci lists:  Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21142/43 (rev 30)
[09:20] <holy_cow> welcome to linux where EVERYTHING is possible bro
[09:20] <etmnt> anyknow know where I can get Gnome 2.14 in .deb?
[09:20] <aaron__> mka.. so i got the edubuntu server setup with 2 NIC one to the router and one to a hub with the lab
[09:20] <sethk> SimplyFlower, figures, that's where device manager gets it.  that's good confirmation.
[09:20] <sethk> SimplyFlower, do we know that this card works?
[09:21] <sethk> SimplyFlower, that it isn't simply broken?
[09:21] <AndyRR> neutrinomass, use alsamixer in a shell to adjust levels
[09:21] <neutrinomass> sethk: The levels were all up, everything was unmuted! I've had my share of problems with sound, but I couldn't figure this one out.
[09:21] <ic56> aaron__: one of the machines has problems with DHCP while the others which are supposedly identically configured don't?  Something else must be going on.
[09:21] <aaron__> wait the NIC serving DHCP wasnt active
[09:22] <SimplyFlower> sethk:  yes, works fine with PuppyLinux, WindowsXP, and SystemResucue cd (linux)
[09:22] <holy_cow> *cough*
[09:22] <N2DIY> holy_cow, this crap is thirty years old, or older!
[09:22] <sethk> SimplyFlower, ok
[09:22] <neutrinomass> AndyRR: Yes, I tried that, everything was enabled and full volume. The speakers' volume was up too :P I also tried from gnome to select different sound cards (4 show up for no apparent reason) but it didn't work.
[09:22] <holy_cow> N2DIY, well the concepts
[09:22] <holy_cow> lisp basically invented everything all modern languages are re-implementing forever something like almost 50 years ago
[09:22] <holy_cow> :)
[09:22] <holy_cow> neither here nor there
[09:23] <holy_cow> ms is reinventing vms
[09:23] <holy_cow> badly
[09:23] <holy_cow> heh
[09:23] <sethk> SimplyFlower, you probably won't like this idea, but what I would do is download the kernel from kernel.org, build, and install it.  That's the first thing I do with any distro, is get rid of the distro's hacked up kernel and use the vanilla kernel from kernel.org
[09:23] <nickrud> forth, if we're getting into language wars :)
[09:23] <aaron__> okay now this is easy. i just make the server the one with the weird mobo. that just means i switch the memory and HD
[09:23] <sethk> SimplyFlower, for me that's a trivial thing to do, but it would probably take you a couple of hours the first time you learn to do it.
[09:23] <holy_cow> aaron__, i have a question for you
[09:23] <aaron__> sure
[09:23] <holy_cow> aaron__, what on earth prompted you to do something this advanced without doing any research?
[09:24] <holy_cow> where is the benefit for you and the students?
[09:24] <AndyRR> neutrinomass, what soundcard/chipset is it?
[09:24] <zith> what's the recommended way to start a process and have it not terminate when exiting the shell?  i've used screen in the past :/
[09:24] <holy_cow> i mean its aprime example of hackerdom
[09:24] <aaron__> holy_cow
[09:24] <aaron__> coz i wanna get it done
[09:24] <holy_cow> just go for it, its a big difference in philosophy from windows world
[09:24] <holy_cow> i'm just curious
[09:24] <neutrinomass> AndyRR: It's a desktop computer. An Allegro PCI sound card, Sis chipset ....
[09:24] <holy_cow> aaron__, but why linux? you know nothing about it
[09:24] <holy_cow> aaron__, all windows users i've ever watched google for some software they can buy and click and run
[09:25] <ic56> zith: nohup <command> &
[09:25] <holy_cow> infact, you could of done this with windows terminal services fairly easily
[09:25] <neutrinomass> It's not my computer, it's a friends (his words were "What's this crap? Suse just worked here"), and he has no internet access.
[09:25] <aaron__> because that would require pirating software
[09:25] <zith> ic56: thanks for the pointer :)
[09:25] <SimplyFlower> sethk: ok.. how hard is it... what do i need to know... and how do i install it.... and what exactly do i need to install?  i'm a newbie to linux, but not to computers... do have some knowlege, but am a dinosaur got my knowlege almost twenty years ago.
[09:26] <holy_cow> aaron__, ah! so purely out of financial reasons eh?
[09:26] <holy_cow> aaron__, what will the students do on the box?
[09:26] <zith> ic56: as a token of my appreciation, i give you an airplane hanger filled with fire-retardant foam: http://www.boingboing.net/2006/04/15/photos_of_malfing_fi.html
[09:26] <aaron__> holy_cow.... it just nags me when they get messed up and cluttered up with junk. i have a certian way i want them set up
[09:26] <aaron__> its a neighborhood computer lab
[09:26] <aaron__> people check email
[09:26] <holy_cow> ahhhhhh
[09:26] <holy_cow> nice
[09:26] <aaron__> play flash games
[09:27] <aaron__> and kids use gcompris
[09:27] <holy_cow> right for that you did the perfect thing
[09:27] <aaron__> thats really why i wanted it
[09:27] <holy_cow> very cool
[09:27] <N2DIY> 73, goodnite, morning, whatever, I'm goning to bed!
[09:27] <aaron__> and people use open office
[09:27] <neutrinomass> I may have to resort to dapper to get rid of that sound problem...it happens on the livecd too :(
[09:27] <RobyX> What's the command I use before the dkpg -i, to tell the computer where the .deb file is located?
[09:28] <holy_cow> aaron__, nice
[09:28] <nickrud> RobyX, it's cd /where/the/deb/is
[09:28] <aaron__> i dunno how to do this.. i write grants and fundraise and do stuff with volunteers during the day... i had some guy who was a computer expert try to keep these things set up and he was a total loser he didnt know anything
[09:28] <DBO> RobyX, "dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb"
[09:28] <sethk> aaron__, the kids will love it.  they are too young to get intimidated by a little cli
[09:28] <RobyX> Thanks
[09:29] <aaron__> and like all this pirated software got on here.. and he wanted to put windows sharepoint server (whatever that is)
[09:29] <aaron__> no!
[09:29] <holy_cow> sethk, in a weird way, thats a very sad thing to say
[09:29] <nickrud> aaron__, it's a good philosophy to introduce
[09:29] <holy_cow> aaron__, all ms products are designed to sell other ms products
[09:29] <holy_cow> they say they are integrated but they aren't, they are just created to be vaguely interdependent
[09:29] <sethk> holy_cow, it's true, people get intimidated.  they are afraid of typing 30 characters, I've never understood why
[09:30] <holy_cow> they will suck money out of any non profit faster than you can say go
[09:30] <holy_cow> sethk, *nod* me neither
[09:30] <aaron__> we've saved over $5000 using this
[09:30] <holy_cow> at least
[09:30] <aaron__> ifi can figure it out, that is
[09:30] <holy_cow> don't forget counting antispyware and antivirus software
[09:30] <holy_cow> lockdown software
[09:30] <holy_cow> management software
[09:30] <holy_cow> cals
[09:30] <aaron__> thats what i had to do with windows
[09:30] <holy_cow> backups and imaging software because all win install at minimium require it
[09:31] <aaron__> i had to search google and figure out how to hack the registry to disable and hide stuff
[09:31] <nickrud> aaron__, you'd get sufficient support on this server for you non-profit, I'd think
[09:31] <holy_cow> your maintenance will be next to 0
[09:31] <holy_cow> your questions will go from how to fix this machine
[09:31] <aaron__> how do you get support?
[09:31] <holy_cow> to how to use a tool to its best extent
[09:31] <nickrud> aaron__, pay, or figure out who to ask :)
[09:31] <aaron__> aaaahh
[09:32] <holy_cow> lol
[09:32] <holy_cow> i'm still giggling at the sharepoitn server idea for a lab
[09:32] <holy_cow> thats hillarious
[09:33] <holy_cow> aaron__, we are switching to linux
[09:33] <aaron__> whats that?
[09:33] <holy_cow> getting rid of ms products is saving us $280 000 dollars
[09:33] <aaron__> omg
[09:33] <SimplyFlower> sethk:  how do i install the new kernel?  you called it vanilla kernel... is that the actual name i'm looking for to download?
[09:33] <holy_cow> i can take half that money now and invest in training and software development to be rolled back into the community
[09:33] <holy_cow> or will anyway
[09:33] <gean> hi all !
[09:34] <DBO> hi gean
[09:34] <aaron__> wow
[09:34] <holy_cow> everyone wins
[09:34] <sethk> SimplyFlower, go to www.kernel.org.  Download the most recently released 2.6 kernel.
[09:34] <sethk> SimplyFlower, "vanilla" is a common way to describe it but not an official term you'll see anywhere
[09:34] <sethk> SimplyFlower, make sure you download the kernel, not patches.  Almost everyone who goes there downloads patches instead of the kernel the first time
[09:34] <aaron__> but no one who comes in if i leave will know anything about this
[09:35] <DBO> SimplyFlower, more to the point, when talking about computers, "vanilla" usually means plain or standard and unmodified
[09:35] <holy_cow> aaron__, don't be so sure
[09:35] <sethk> SimplyFlower, the site is a bit confusing.  the file you want will be called linux-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.bz2  (probably the 15.6 is out of date and it will be 15.# or 16.#; just get the most recent)
[09:35] <holy_cow> aaron__, you figured it in a day :) surely if one cares enough they can pick up the knowledge too
[09:35] <aaron__> i need to get CS students from the university to do this..but I dunno what their jargon is to ask for
[09:35] <sethk> SimplyFlower, if the file name is not as I described it, you'll be downloading the wrong thing
[09:35] <nickrud> aaron__, just in case you haven't actually seen the front page for this irc server network, you should look at it. http://freenode.net/  It's intended for your useage.
[09:36] <aaron__> ok
[09:36] <SimplyFlower> sethk:  ok... can i save the download to cd so i can transfer it to the other computer?
[09:36] <holy_cow> ask for students with linux experience, preferably ubuntu and the ltsp project
[09:36] <holy_cow> from there you pick who is available with whatever qualification
[09:36] <holy_cow> you don't need a qualification
[09:36] <sethk> SimplyFlower, sure
[09:36] <holy_cow> you need a student with the desire to learn
[09:36] <holy_cow> all linux users have that by default, itsjust how it is
[09:36] <SimplyFlower> sethk:  then i do i install it
[09:37] <SimplyFlower> sethk:  oops meant how do i install it?
[09:37] <aaron__> so i can go to a CS dept and ask for someone who knows linux to setup a lab of thin clients?
[09:37] <aaron__> hmm
[09:37] <tonyyarusso> Uh oh.  Any way to get the secret half of a gpg key back from a keyserver?  Or does it die with a machine?
[09:37] <sethk> SimplyFlower, you extract it.  you go to /usr/src, and do:  tar xvjf ./linux-<IP_ADDRESS>.tar.bz2    (I'm assuming you've copied the tar file to /usr/src)
[09:37] <joel_> I'm just trying out Ubuntu for the first time, I haven't messed with linux since Mandrake 6.5.  I've stuck mostly to FreeBSD and the more commercial variants, Solaris, MP-RAS, Unisys, HP-UNIX, etc.  I have to say...
[09:38] <holy_cow> aaron__, pretty much, depends on their internal structure.  usually they point you to their hire or placement deptments
[09:38] <joel_> I am impressed with Ubuntu.
[09:38] <sethk> SimplyFlower, there are good instructions on the kernel.org site
[09:38] <holy_cow> aaron__, you want to find a professor enthusiastic about open source first, they can give you a personal hand up tho
[09:38] <DBO> joel_, yes, we like it too
[09:38] <neutrinomass> joel_: Nice :)
[09:39] <Erpo> I'm trying to compile a modular kernel, so I started with make allmodconfig, and then changed some things (like removing oss and isdn support, and deactivating smp). Then I followed up with a make, a make install, and a make modules_install. Then I ran mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-<IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> (that's the kernel version I just compiled), and then I updated /boot/grub/menu.lst to reflect the changed. When I try to boot with the new kerne
[09:39] <Erpo> l, I get a kernel panic. What gives?
[09:39] <nickrud> tonyyarusso, if you search my name on the key servers, you'll see a couple of dead machines ;(
[09:39] <holy_cow> okay time to try kororaa on this thin
[09:39] <holy_cow> bbl
[09:39] <aaron__> ah kewl thats a good idea
[09:39] <SimplyFlower> sethk:  ok... i will try it.  thank you for your patience and all your help.
[09:39] <tonyyarusso> nickrud: Gotcha.  So I should revoke this one and start over?  Oh wait, I probably can't even revoke it now can I?
[09:39] <neutrinomass> Erpo: Unable to mount root? You can't have a totally modular kernel....support for your IDE controller and root filesystem should be compiled in the kernel.
[09:40] <Erpo> neutrinomass: It can't be compiled as a module and then loaded via initrd?
[09:40] <nickrud> tonyyarusso, probably not. If you didn't make revoke certificate and save it, you're just dangling in the wind
[09:40] <tonyyarusso> nickrud: Oops.
[09:40] <sethk> SimplyFlower, understand that you could go through this and find out it doesn't fix it.  I think it's the best thing to try next, but I can't guarantee results
[09:41] <Erpo> I thought the boot loader was responsible for loading the initrd and making the necessary modules (including the hdd controller and root filesystem drivers) available to the kernel.
[09:41] <gean> SimplyFlower : to extract stuff in general : install the (ubuntu) package called     unp          (e.g. by synaptic), then simply type unp stuff.bz2 or stuff.tar or stupp.zip; the package will always do the right thing (for rar-files one needs the non-free version of rar -some uni or multiverse- to be installed on sys)
[09:41] <neutrinomass> Erpo: I don't know, I've never used initrd....when compiling a normal kernel though, no. It can't read your HD without the ide controller, and cannot read the filesystem without ext3 support.
[09:41] <nickrud> tonyyarusso :)
[09:42] <SimplyFlower> sethk:  ok... i guess if this doesn't work ubuntu just won't work on my other computer :(
[09:42] <neutrinomass> gean: It's in multiverse, "unrar"
[09:42] <sethk> SimplyFlower, it can.  eventually you'll find the problem.  but it might be more trouble than it's worth.
[09:42] <gean> neutrinomas yep..
[09:43] <aaron__> nickrud : im filling out your form
[09:43] <sethk> SimplyFlower, it's more common for hardware to not work with other distros and work with ubuntu, but there are always odd cases.
[09:43] <aaron__> whats this biz about the channel?
[09:43] <nickrud> aaron__, what form?
[09:43] <aaron__> Group Contact Form
[09:43] <SimplyFlower> gean:  i can't install using synaptic because i have no internet connection on that computer.
[09:43] <neutrinomass> sethk: Grrr...my friend's sound card for example :P
[09:43] <aaron__> its on freenode.net
[09:44] <DBO> SimplyFlower, download the debs on another PC and transfer them with CD
[09:44] <DBO> then use dpkg -i to install them
[09:44] <gean> SimplyFlower Oh... it also happens for me at home..
[09:45] <nickrud> aaron__, cool that you're using it. I just know one person associated with this network. If he's a sample, you'll probably get good feedback from that contact you're makeing
[09:45] <aaron__> cool
[09:45] <SimplyFlower> DBO:  where do i find the debs that synaptic downloads?
[09:45] <DBO> SimplyFlower, are you on another linux box?
[09:46] <nubi-> hello
[09:46] <nubi-> how to install iptables on ubuntu?
[09:46] <SimplyFlower> DBO:  yes, i have 2 computers, one can connect to the internet with ubuntu, the other one can't which is what i'm trying to fix
[09:47] <DBO> SimplyFlower, "sudo apt-get -d install package"
[09:47] <Psykus> hey, can't seem to get sound working with frozen bubble, gives this error output in the terminal, ""Warning: can't initialize sound (reason: No available audio device)"
[09:47] <nickrud> nubi-, iptables are already installed, a couple of front ends are shorewall and firestarter
[09:47] <SimplyFlower> DBO:  what does that do?
[09:47] <Psykus> sound works for other parts of ubuntu
[09:48] <DBO> SimplyFlower, it will download the file to /var/cache/apt/archives
[09:48] <DBO> SimplyFlower, it will not install it however
[09:49] <Psykus> i do have an old version of ubuntu though, need to get the newer version back from my friend...using hoary now, friend has the breezy CD (i'm on dial-up so I can't exactly dist upgrade)
[09:50] <DBO> Psykus, does the sound work anywhere else?
[09:50] <Psykus> yes
[09:50] <nickrud> Psykus, you can upgrade from your friends breezy cd, I would think
[09:50] <SimplyFlower> DBO: ok... if i understand... sudo apt-get -d whateverpackage then i can find it to copy it to cd
[09:50] <Psykus> yes, I meant he has the CD, I need to get it from him
[09:50] <Psykus> i recently re-installed, and only had the old CD around
[09:50] <DBO> SimplyFlower, you got it, smart girl =)
[09:51] <SimplyFlower> DBO:  thank you :)
[09:51] <s|k> !rhythmbox
[09:51] <ubotu> Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, s|k
[09:51] <Psykus> i mentioned it because I figured it might of been fixed for breezy
[09:51] <s|k> !rhythymbox
[09:51] <ubotu> s|k: parse error: Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[09:51] <s|k> :/
[09:51] <nickrud> !info rhythmbox
[09:51] <ubotu> rhythmbox: (music player and organizer for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.9.0-0ubuntu6 (breezy), Packaged size: 1565 kB, Installed size: 4724 kB
[09:51] <DBO> s|k, what do you want to know?
[09:51] <s|k> !version rhythmbox dapper
[09:51] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, s|k
[09:51] <s|k> ah
[09:52] <kenneth> what is the difference between "hibernation" and "standby" power modes?
[09:52] <s|k> DBO what version of rhythmbox is in dapper
[09:52] <hintswen> i don't know my root password, i was never asked for 1 when i installed. i only know my account's username and password
[09:52] <hintswen> or is that my root password?
[09:52] <Ohzie> hintswen: There is no root password.
[09:53] <nickrud> !info rhythmbox dapper
[09:53] <ubotu> rhythmbox: (music player and organizer for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu7 (dapper), Packaged size: 1758 kB, Installed size: 6332 kB
[09:53] <Psykus> hintswen, use sudo before the commands you need root for
[09:53] <hintswen> so root is my account?
[09:53] <Ohzie> Type sudo su
[09:53] <Psykus> like:
[09:53] <Ohzie> Then type your user's password
[09:53] <nickrud> heh, it worked :)
[09:53] <DBO> s|k, .9.3.1
[09:53] <Psykus> sudo apt-get install package
[09:53] <Ohzie> And then run passwd root to give it a password.
[09:53] <s|k> DBO: thanks
[09:54] <DBO> hintswen, you dont need root, it is locked by default and should stay that way.  Use sudo instead =)  security is good
[09:54] <hintswen> oh, so if i type 'sudo su' and set a password that will create a account with username root and password i set?
[09:54] <DBO> hintswen, root already exists, it is just locked
[09:54] <hintswen> okay
[09:55] <Psykus> hintswen, use sudo before the commands you need root for
[09:55] <SimplyFlower> one more question before i go... when i installed ubuntu, grub wouldn't work... so i had to use lilo, but am no longer able to boot to windowsXP only Ubuntu.  what do i need to do so i can dual boot.  It took me 2 days just to get the computer to boot to ubuntu.
[09:55] <Psykus> like, sudo apt-get install package
[09:55] <hintswen> okay thanks... and 2 more questions
[09:55] <hintswen> can i 'remote desktop' my ubuntu from my windows box? or something similar
[09:55] <hintswen> i need GUI
[09:55] <jdu> how do I display a certain number of characters of a variable e.g. first 3?
[09:55] <DBO> SimplyFlower, can you be more descriptive about how "grub wouldnt work"
[09:55] <Psykus> hintswen, yes, ubuntu has something called VNC built in
[09:55] <DBO> hintswen, VNC will do the trick
[09:55] <Psykus> :P
[09:56] <hintswen> ok how do i set up VNC on it lol
[09:56] <DBO> :P
[09:56] <hintswen> and what's a windows VNC program that IS un-inatlallable
[09:56] <Psykus> here's a good program to use for it on the windows side: http://www.snapfiles.com/get/vnc.html
[09:56] <Psykus> ^
[09:56] <DBO> hintswen, System -> Preferences -> Remote Desktop
[09:56] <hintswen> cause i had Real VNC on my old comp and people said it's not good cause u casn't fully remove it
[09:56] <Psykus> oh
[09:57] <DBO> hintswen, then use tight VNC or ultraVNC if you dont like realVNC
[09:57] <hintswen> it's not that i don't like it, just others don't like it lol. i thought it was great
[09:58] <nickrud> hintswen, you're probably not going to get anyone to go out on a limb for any windows tool here
[09:58] <hintswen> ok last question: is there some way i can store files on my ubuntu, transfering them to it from my other computer
[09:58] <DBO> hintswen, you mean like Samba file shares?
[09:58] <hintswen> no idea what that is
[09:58] <SimplyFlower> DBO:  tried installing grub to floppy, partition, and to the mbr, in all cases when i tried to reboot grub gave an error message and wouldn't boot my computer at all.  I couldn't even get into windowsXP.  Had to restore the mbr with fdisk and tried clean installing several times.  same problems.  finally installed with lilo, but now can't boot to windowsXP only Ubuntu.
[09:58] <nickrud> hintswen, or writing to a cd?
[09:59] <DBO> hintswen, Samba is a way to share files over the network between linux and windows
[09:59] <hintswen> i mean moving files from this computer to my ubuntu
[09:59] <hintswen> like FTP or something
[09:59] <DBO> SimplyFlower, do you know what error message it gave?
[09:59] <hintswen> or can i get it to appear on 'my network places' so i can easily drag and drop files?
[09:59] <bliss1_> DBO: your looking god!
[09:59] <hedrek> Q:  I am getting "mount:  /dev/hda1 already mounted or /media/hda1 busy".. it's not mounted, it worked in the 2.6.15ubuntu kernel and now doesn't work with my self compiled 2.6.16 using the same .config
[10:00] <DBO> hintswen, yes, you do that with samba
[10:00] <hintswen> ok where do i get it?
[10:00] <DBO> hintswen, "sudo apt-get install samba"
[10:01] <DBO> bliss1_, I look god every day, or so I like to think =P
[10:01] <SimplyFlower> DBO: one i remember is grub error 15, otherwise my computer just told me to insert a floppy disk
[10:01] <DBO> hedrek, just for kicks and giggles, try changing its mount point
[10:01] <hintswen> done, now can i FTp it or how do i move files onto it?
[10:02] <DBO> hintswen, open nautilus window and navigate so you can see the folder you want to share
[10:02] <DBO> right click on it, and select Share Folder
[10:02] <s|k> I'm compiling rhythymbox 9.4 from source :<
[10:02] <s|k> I compiled 3.9 from source when I was on breezy
[10:02] <bliss1_> DBO; your to modest
[10:02] <s|k> and it broke on dapper
[10:03] <hedrek> DBO: same thing, changed dirs, made a new mount point, "mount -t ntfs -o ro /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1" and got the message again
[10:03] <DBO> hintswen, it will give an option for share with, select SMB, then for name select a name, and check "Allow browsing folder"
[10:04] <DBO> hintswen, then select Genereal Windows Share Settings, and change your workgroup to match your XP machines workgroup, press ok on both windows, and go have fun =)
[10:04] <DBO> hedrek, command "mount" -> pastebin
[10:04] <nickrud> SimplyFlower, if you'd put your working lilo config up, I might be able to remember what to add for a standard windows boot
[10:05] <bliss1_> nickrud; man your not in bed!
[10:05] <SimplyFlower> DBO: where do i find it?
[10:05] <DBO> SimplyFlower, I dont know... I dont do lilo, sorry =(
[10:06] <nickrud> bliss1_, no, I still have an appliance in my mouth, which is driving my crazy
[10:06] <DBO> nickrud, blender?
[10:06] <nickrud> DBO, broken jaw :)
[10:06] <SimplyFlower> DBO: give me a minute i will try to find it... brb
[10:06] <DBO> nickrud, that will teach you to get in bar fights, well, at least we know the other guy was really messed up =)
[10:06] <nickrud> but the blender is a truly marvelous invention
[10:06] <hedrek> DBO: ok, sent
[10:06] <FearMoth> should I have to modprobe lirc_serial or put it in /etc/modules for lirc to work, or does it do that when I build and install it? mode2 and irrecord only seem to work if I modprobe first
[10:07] <DBO> hedrek, ok, link?
[10:07] <harisund> Does anybody here use the GNU Screen program while SSHing?
[10:07] <DBO> (my crystal ball is broke, sorry)
[10:07] <nickrud> DBO, im 50 years old, haven't been in a fight since I was 14, and it happened at my front door, and it was my stupidity. I'm still looking for the computation :)
[10:07] <bliss1_> nickrud: bliss_ gets the sledge hammer out
[10:07] <hedrek> DBO: i guess that would be 12915?  paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12915
[10:08] <s|k> DBO: where are programs usually stored?
[10:08] <s|k> do you know?
[10:08] <Tidus> s|k: usually /usr/bin
[10:08] <s|k> Tidus: thanks
[10:08] <DBO> s|k, stuff you compile yourself should go into /opt
[10:08] <Tidus> harisund: yes, i use screen on SSH
[10:09] <harisund> Tidus: Ah awesome. Have you ever got disconnected because, perhaps, of a bad internet?
[10:09] <Tidus> harisund: yes... more than once.
[10:09] <Tidus> lol
[10:09] <harisund> Tidus: Now when I reconnect, how do I get back to that screen? screen -r tells me that the screen is already attached.
[10:09] <Tidus> harisund: screen -x
[10:09] <_jim_> hey guys , yesterday i mounted 2 partitions - today i turned on the pc and they are gone ....... any help ?
[10:10] <DBO> _jim_, did you add them to /etc/fstab?
[10:10] <_jim_> no
[10:10] <nickrud> _jim_, you need to add the mount definitions to /etc/fstab to make them permanent
[10:10] <_jim_> i cant edit them by my account
[10:10] <harisund> Tidus: Really? That's great .. wow .. I knew #ubuntu would be the answer to all my questions :) thanks a ton ..
[10:10] <Tidus> harisund: np
[10:10] <DBO> !tell _jim_ about fstab
[10:10] <_jim_> do you know how to logon as root by the logon screen ?
[10:10] <DBO> _jim_, you have to use "sudo gedit /etc/fstab" to edit it
[10:11] <holy_cow> jim you can't
[10:11] <Tidus> harisund: that's general linux information, not ubuntu specific... works on gentoo, debian, ubuntu, mandrake(iva), slack, FC .... any others i might have forgotten...
[10:11] <holy_cow> !root
[10:11] <ubotu> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[10:11] <_jim_> thnx guys
[10:11] <s|k> yay rhythmbox works
[10:11] <s|k> :D
[10:11] <s|k> .9.4 even
[10:11] <nickrud> bliss1_, I'm almost wishing I'd missed the sledgehammer comment, I already one that part of it :)
[10:11] <holy_cow> !xgl
[10:11] <ubotu> XGL on Ubuntu: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/XglHowto - Join #ubuntu-xgl for all the XGL fun on Ubuntu systems. It works ONLY on dapper. Pretty videos on http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease/
[10:11] <harisund> Tidus: oh .. Ok .. thanks for that info .. is there any general #linux channel :) ?
[10:11] <zzz_> join
[10:12] <holy_cow> anyone here have 915gm chipset and run xgl?
[10:12] <Tidus> harisund: ##linux is a general linux channel
[10:12] <_jim_> how i run diskmounter ? i have a code
[10:12] <dbug> anyone know where i disable the modules not used in the boot?
[10:12] <s|k> rhythmbox .9.4 comes with podcast support heh
[10:13] <harisund> Tidus Is the double '#' a typo, or is it specifically 2 '#' ?
[10:13] <kurimaw> guys... i've installed limewire... i was able to successfully installed but it doesn't show in any menu.. where can i find the file and how can i execute it?
[10:13] <Tidus> harisund: specifically 2 "#"
[10:13] <nickrud> dbug, any modules you don't want loaded should be mentioned in /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[10:13] <harisund> kurimaw: How did you install limewire? Using the repositories?
[10:13] <kurimaw> i think from the limewire website
[10:13] <s|k> harisund: two # means it's a support channel
[10:13] <s|k> er
[10:13] <s|k> an about channel
[10:14] <harisund> kurimaw: if all had gone right, you can execute it by typing Alt+F2 (which is like the Windows RUN command) and type there 'limewire'
[10:14] <DBO> hedrek, oops, forgot to tell you what I wanted you to do.  type "umount /dev/hda1" and tell me the output
[10:14] <harisund> s|k Oh I see..
[10:14] <Tidus> s|k: their 'technical' name is 'unofficial channel' but it works either way
[10:14] <klos_> im looking for a tool to encrypt my hdd for ubuntu
[10:14] <nickrud> kurimaw, you'd need to create your own launcher for it applications->system tools->menu editor I thin
[10:14] <kurimaw> it sayd could not run the specified command
[10:14] <dbug> nickrud, and where i see the actual list modules load in boot ?
[10:14] <DBO> hedrek, correction "sudo umount /dev/hda1"
[10:15] <Tidus> dbug: /sbin/lsmod
[10:15] <kurimaw> ok thanks.
[10:15] <nickrud> dbug, lsmod ?
[10:15] <FearMoth> has anyone had much luck getting xgl working with an ATI Radeon 9550?
[10:15] <hedrek> DBO: umount: /dev/hda1: not mounted
[10:15] <_jim_> im trying to run diskmounter by using ./diskmounter in the dir but it says permission denied
[10:15] <nickrud> _jim_, usually that means you want to run the program with sudo
[10:16] <dbug> tks
[10:16] <_jim_> im already by root
[10:16] <_jim_> isnt the same ?
[10:17] <hedrek> DBO: i think I will not pursue this much further for time constraints, I appreciate your help
[10:17] <nickrud> _jim_, yes, but having root get permission denied is not common
[10:18] <DBO> hedrek, "sudo mkdir /media/windows"
[10:18] <_jim_> hmmm
[10:18] <zoxmel> I tried upgrading to dapper, and now after I log in to gnome it just stays at a brown screen :/ ... any suggestions?
[10:18] <DBO> hedrek, then "sudo gedit /etc/fstab" and add the line "/dev/hda1       /media/windows  ntfs    ro,user,auto,fmask=0177,dmask=0077,uid=1000     0       3"
[10:18] <DBO> hedrek, then "sudo mount -a"
[10:18] <hedrek> DBO:  Ok, I will try that, sec
[10:19] <_jim_> i tried with sudo and it asked for the pass and after that nothing happened
[10:19] <_jim_> the script run ?
[10:19] <holy_cow> *hmm* how do you turn on direct rendering in ubuntu?
[10:19] <DBO> !tell zoxmel about dapper
[10:19] <holy_cow> !dri
[10:19] <ubotu> holy_cow: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:20] <sifl_> i'm having issues w/ apache where i can load my .php files through a browser, but the .html files give me directory permissions errors....any suggestions?
[10:20] <bliss1_> nickrud: can you open the window in your office can smell the stuf on your jaw from here
[10:21] <nickrud> bliss1_, I brushed my teeth as much as the pain would allow :) and on that, and 36 hours till metal is gone, good night
[10:22] <_jim_> guys a little help please or gimme any link...
[10:22] <_jim_> the script cannot be run
[10:22] <DBO> _jim_, what are you trying to do again?
[10:22] <_jim_> i type sudo ./diskmounter  , type pass and nothing happens
[10:23] <asdf25> anyone know what package i should install to get manpages for unix api functions, ie. sockets?
[10:23] <DBO> ok
[10:23] <DBO> _jim_, what are you trying to mount, and where do you want to mount it?
[10:23] <bliss1_> where do i get the package from this sentence not in apt-get To get the source including the patches I looked for the kernel-tree-2.6.8 meta package and installed it
[10:23] <hedrek> DBO: that didn't work , got same 'already mounted' error... went back to generic kernel and it is working again, i must have fouled something up! anyway it is off to be, thanks
[10:23] <_jim_> i want to mount my 2 fat32 partitions
[10:23] <ompaul> _jim_, if your trying to work with disks try System Administration Disks - its fairly easy to use
[10:23] <_jim_> it cannot be accessed
[10:23] <_jim_> like many things
[10:23] <_jim_> i dont know why
[10:24] <_jim_> i run it and simply nothing happens
[10:24] <ompaul> _jim_, stop a second
[10:24] <DBO> _jim_, step by step instructions -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[10:25] <gean> _jim : hm try sudo bash from a terminal..., then u r root in a terminal, maybe there is some message (error) when trying to mount : alternatively : use the GUI , nautilus , it mounts by click... (usually detects all devices) , just as an idea... (u had better)
[10:25] <ompaul> _jim_, in the terminal type >> sudo id << what is the first word returned for uid?
[10:26] <_jim_> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[10:26] <_jim_> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[10:26] <_jim_> sry
[10:26] <_jim_> that one by using >> sudo id <<
[10:26] <Jasey> help!
[10:27] <ompaul> !anyone
[10:27] <ubotu> I guess anyone is a large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? </hint>
[10:27] <DBO> what is your problme?
[10:27] <Jasey> im trying to install a package which cant find its dependency. yet it is installed already :(
[10:27] <Jasey> confusion on set
[10:27] <MM2> I'm trying to set up ltsp-server with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto and in step 2 "Build the thin client runtime..." I get error failed getting release file http://us.archive... what to do?
[10:27] <DBO> Jasey, can you be more specific about the packages?
[10:27] <ompaul> _jim_, leave out the arrow heads the part in the middle is the command
[10:27] <Jasey> well
[10:27] <Jasey> umm
[10:27] <Jasey> give me a mo
[10:27] <ompaul> !enter
[10:27] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying.
[10:28] <Jasey> sorry
[10:28] <DBO> its ok, you're new
[10:28] <Jasey> im not new ive been here before lol
[10:28] <SimplyFlower> DBO:  i'm back... found the lilo.config looking at it appears to have windows listed as other operating system.
[10:28] <DBO> SimplyFlower, yes that is correct, can you post your lilo config to pastebin?
[10:29] <gean> by the way : ANY1 any idea, how can i ENLARGE (as secure as possible) my own 30GB lptop partition (ubuntu-linux from it now) to the whole (40GB) laptop hd.. (there will be no wind* and wine on this hd)
[10:29] <_jim_> dbo
[10:29] <Jasey> erm, so im trying to install libgcc1_4.1.0-1+b1_i386, which says it cant find its dependency libc6. but that already seems to be installed.
[10:29] <DBO> gean, liveboot then use gparted
[10:29] <DBO> _jim_,
[10:29] <_jim_> i type that wget http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/diskmounter@
[10:29] <_jim_> i download it
[10:29] <_jim_> (without the @)
[10:30] <_jim_> then type that : sudo bash diskmounter
[10:30] <_jim_> and nothing happens
[10:30] <_jim_> the file its in Home i see
[10:30] <DBO> _jim_, what is the filename?
[10:30] <SimplyFlower> DBO:  how would i do that... i assume i would have to first save it to a floppy to transfer it to this computer... then how would i post it to pastebin?
[10:30] <DBO> !pastebin
[10:30] <ubotu> hmm... pastebin is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/, a site for pasting long texts so you don't disrupt the channel - or install webboard in Gnome: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269
[10:31] <gean> DBO : so : i use the ubuntu-live CD, and inside of it the gparted dialog sttarting ? There is also some gparted in the ubuntu-Applications-SystemTools , would it also work ?!
[10:31] <ompaul> _jim_, I asked you to leave out the <<>> and run the part in the middle >> sudo id <<
[10:31] <DBO> gean, no, you need to use the liveboot to work on your root partition
[10:32] <_jim_> sorry ompaul what do you mean
[10:32] <_jim_> i run >> sudo id << without >><< and nothing happens
[10:32] <MM2> I'm trying to set up ltsp-server with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto and in step 2 "Build the thin client runtime..." I get error failed getting release file http://us.archive... what to do?
[10:33] <montbazin> hello, please can someone tell me how to reduce the size of the icons on the desktop, thanx
[10:33] <ompaul> _jim_, are you saying you have run        sudo id              and get no reply?
[10:33] <_jim_> yes
[10:33] <teletubbie> hi
[10:33] <teletubbie> !scilab
[10:33] <ubotu> teletubbie: Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:33] <teletubbie> why can I only find the old scilab version in apt?
[10:34] <_jim_> i see it now by connecting in root first
[10:34] <_jim_> :)
[10:34] <DBO> teletubbie, because that is the version in the repos
[10:34] <_jim_> uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
[10:34] <teletubbie> I remember I got scilab 4 before using apt
[10:34] <teletubbie> any one on dapper?
[10:34] <nicholaspaul> montbazin: try System/Admin/Themes - installing new themes would def. work.
[10:34] <teletubbie> can you do a search scilab?
[10:34] <nicholaspaul> teletubbie: Dapper right here.
[10:35] <teletubbie> nicholaspaul, apt-cache search scilab
[10:35] <DBO> !info scilab dapper
[10:35] <ubotu> scilab: (Matrix-based scientific software package (a la Matlab and Xmath)), section multiverse/math, is optional. Version: 3.0-12 (dapper), Packaged size: 2395 kB, Installed size: 28956 kB
[10:35] <SimplyFlower> DBO: am not quite understanding?  i have to install a package called pastebin in order to use it?
[10:35] <ompaul> _jim_, your able to be root so what you need to do is >> sudo ./diskmounter  <<  same rules apply
[10:35] <montbazin> thanx, nicholaspaul
[10:35] <nicholaspaul> np
[10:35] <DBO> SimplyFlower, no, you just go to the website that is listed and paste it up there
[10:35] <DBO> SimplyFlower, you know what, just join #dbo and paste it there...
[10:36] <_jim_> root@10:/home/jimoupas# sudo bash diskmounter
[10:36] <_jim_> yay
[10:36] <nicholaspaul> teletubbie: which file are you looking for?
[10:36] <_jim_> thx man
[10:36] <_jim_> now its like a wizard /
[10:36] <teletubbie> I already got it. it looks like the old version is in dapper also
[10:36] <SimplyFlower> DBO: i don't know how to paste to a chat
[10:36] <nicholaspaul> teletubbie: oh ok.
[10:37] <_jim_> i think i did it
[10:37] <nicholaspaul> Does anyone know if you can schedule startup ???
[10:37] <DBO> SimplyFlower, ok, just go to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ and paste it into the text box, and click send.   Then all you need to do is send me the resulting link
[10:37] <gean> DBO : please give me a hint (or link) about *liveboot* (to work on my hda), just googled liveboot+gparted an got no useful stuff...
[10:37] <noodleman> hey, im having problems with an Edubuntu install. Anyone want to help?
[10:38] <Nermal> nicholaspaul: ?
[10:38] <DBO> gean, did you download the discs yourself or did you get the pressed discs?
[10:38] <SimplyFlower> DBO:  ok will try... give me a few minutes ok?  brb
[10:38] <noodleman> I keep getting a repeated "killed" message when I install
[10:38] <montbazin> nicholaspaul: I didn't find anything to chancge the icon size in "System/Prefs/Temes"
[10:38] <_jim_> any clue why i cant access my Ntfs primary partition ? im getting this : You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "sda1".
[10:38] <nicholaspaul> Nermal: in some OS's (like OS 9) you can schedule the machine to startup/shutdown at  certain times of the day.
[10:38] <axisme> jim
[10:38] <Nermal> _jim_: I'm guessing you do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "sda1".
[10:38] <DBO> SimplyFlower, okie dokie
[10:39] <axisme> use sudo
[10:39] <DBO> gean, http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs/5.10/ubuntu-5.10-live-i386.iso
[10:39] <Nermal> add umask=022 to the mount options in /etc/fstab ?
[10:39] <montbazin> I remeber there was somethin to change the size if icons but I don't remember where
[10:39] <nicholaspaul> montbazin: sorry.
[10:39] <teletubbie> !upgrade
[10:39] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade. Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades .
[10:39] <montbazin> nicholaspaul, never mind
[10:40] <_jim_> how i can change the permissions so i can see the ntfs ?
[10:40] <_jim_> by sudo which one command ?
[10:40] <gean> DBO, it was a ubuntu-install-CD (downloaded from some short working knoppix), then all packages were installed fron the net... yes, i should also have the live-CD version for ubuntu... so ubuntu-live-CD can enlarge ``me'' ?!
[10:41] <axisme> sudo nautilus
[10:41] <DBO> gean, yes, it can resize your primary partition
[10:41] <axisme> thats the lazy way of accessing it :-)
[10:41] <_jim_> yay i got it now :)
[10:41] <_jim_> thansk
[10:41] <axisme> i prefer it like that
[10:41] <osfameron> Is flash plugin 8.0 packaged for Hoary ?
[10:41] <_jim_> isnt there a way to access it directly ?
[10:41] <DBO> montbazin, just right click on the icon and select stretch icon
[10:41] <gean> DBO, ok ! thanks a lot, i'll try it after the session today ! (*Appreciate the hints*)
[10:41] <_jim_> without terminal ?
[10:42] <DBO> _jim_, you have to set the uid=1000 option while mounting so you own it persay
[10:42] <osfameron> oh, ffs, Flash 8 isn't available for Linux ?
[10:42] <ivoks> uh, lots of people :)
[10:43] <DBO> ivoks, yep, 700 is about were it peaks
[10:43] <mDot> osfameron nope
[10:43] <_jim_> o so i edit the fstab ?
[10:43] <DBO> where*
[10:43] <DBO> _jim_, I dont know how you mounted it, but if you used the fstab, yes, you have to edit that
[10:43] <teletubbie> !performance
[10:43] <ubotu> teletubbie: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[10:43] <[nige] > is there a linux networking channel by any chance?
[10:44] <teletubbie> ##linux
[10:45] <osfameron> mDot: that's annoying.  (I'm supposed to be developing a flash video player thingummy, which currently seems to require Flash 8...  this is going to be fun
[10:45] <mDot> osfameron agreed
[10:45] <teletubbie> I have a very strange problem here :\
[10:46] <teletubbie> I can download files at 500kb/s from a website but can't transfer files at 500 kb/s from a lan server :\
[10:46] <DBO> teletubbie, have you verified that the lan server is not the issue?
[10:46] <teletubbie> another lan client could transfer at 500kb/s :\
[10:47] <teletubbie> the server is connected through cable to the wireless router
[10:47] <tonyyarusso> Could someone please hilight me quick?
[10:47] <DBO> sure tonyyarusso
[10:47] <teletubbie> and my pc is connected via wireless at 48mbps
[10:47] <tonyyarusso> DBO: Thanks.  (Worked.)
[10:48] <tonyyarusso> Now to find out if Dapper lets me hibernate...
[10:48] <MM2> I'm trying to set up ltsp-server with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto and in step 2 "Build the thin client runtime..." I get error failed getting release file http://us.archive... what to do?
[10:48] <DBO> tonyyarusso, maken sure your swap has been embiggened enough for the swap to hold everything (so what if I watch too much simpsons)
[10:48] <tonyyarusso> DBO: How big are we talking?
[10:49] <DBO> tonyyarusso, must at LEAST be larger than your physical RAM
[10:49] <tonyyarusso> DBO: Okay.
[10:49] <ic56> teletubbie: and the other LAN client is similarly connected to the router via wireless?
[10:50] <teletubbie> yep
[10:50] <_jim_> is there any program to download from repositaries ?
[10:50] <DBO> teletubbie, what kind of signal strength are you getting?
[10:50] <teletubbie> at 11mbps :\
[10:50] <DBO> _jim_, like apt-get?
[10:50] <teletubbie> and mine is on 48 or 52mbps
[10:50] <_jim_> something different
[10:50] <_jim_> apt-get works only from terminal... right ?
[10:50] <teletubbie> uality=73/100 using iwconfig
[10:50] <DBO> _jim_, like synaptics?
[10:51] <_jim_> synaptics doesnt run by System/Admin
[10:51] <DBO> _jim_, o rly?  well then, what happens when you click it?
[10:51] <_jim_> it asks for a pass
[10:51] <_jim_> i type my root pass right ?
[10:52] <DBO> _jim_, no, you type YOUR password
[10:52] <_jim_> ok
[10:52] <_jim_> its the same pass anyway...
[10:52] <DBO> O_o
[10:52] <mikemiezter> loz
[10:52] <_jim_> press ok and the window dissapears
[10:52] <DBO> such security
[10:52] <_jim_> yeah :)
[10:53] <_jim_> many things doesnt work and i dont know why
[10:53] <_jim_> SYSTEM/admin/disks
[10:53] <_jim_> too
[10:53] <DBO> _jim_, in terminal "ps -ef | grep synaptic | wc -l"
[10:53] <cedric_> bonjour
[10:54] <carbonx_>
[10:54] <_jim_> im getting a 1
[10:54] <DBO> _jim_, ok, what I thought...
[10:54] <cedric_> quelqu'un connait la commande pour demarrer Ubuntu directement en mode graphique je sais pas ce que j'ai encore triffouiller
[10:54] <DBO> !fr
[10:54] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:54] <DBO> !zh
[10:54] <ubotu> For support in Chinese, please try the channel #ubuntu-zh.
[10:55] <teletubbie> I think it is the firewall on the server
[10:55] <_jim_> gazzak , do you play gr ? you have the same nick as oe of my friends
[10:55] <thesaltydog> is ubuntu-desktop package needed also for laptops?
[10:55] <DBO> teletubbie, is the server wireless too?
[10:55] <_jim_> DBO , so ? whats wrong ?
[10:55] <teletubbie> nope, it is wired
[10:55] <kevinz> hi there. my ooo does not show up as the splash window never end. it once worked but i don't know what bring problems to it now
[10:56] <DBO> _jim_, no idea, we will need to troubleshoot more, but right now I do know something is SNAFU
[10:56] <_jim_> i dont know what snafu is :p
[10:56] <_jim_> but i understand you r busy :)
[10:56] <DBO> _jim_, (nice version) Situation Normal: All Fouled Up
[10:56] <_jim_> ok :)
[10:56] <teletubbie> you can upgrade from dapper test to dapper stable after its release. right?
[10:56] <_jim_> brb
[10:57] <DBO> thesaltydog, no its not needed, but it is useful for upgrades
[10:57] <thesaltydog> kevinz, there is a sort o tutorial here: http://www.newsforge.com/software/03/04/22/1931223.shtml?tid=51
[10:57] <DBO> teletubbie, yes
[10:57] <dean> anybody know how to enable the gnome foot icon in apps?
[10:57] <thesaltydog> DBO, tnx
[10:57] <dean> I want to change the ubuntu icon in applications to the gnome foot
[10:57] <visik7> how the boot splash of *ubuntu works ?
[10:58] <dean> ?
[10:58] <teletubbie> dl-ing at 599kb/s from a website outside my lan
[10:58] <DBO> dean, replace /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/distributor-logo.png with whatever you want
[10:58] <imbrandon> nice
[10:58] <teletubbie> if I'm connected at 48mbps. I should be able to dl at a few mb/s
[10:58] <DBO> teletubbie, unless the signal isnt strong enough
[10:58] <dean> wasn't there a command for the gnome icon?
[10:58] <animato> hello, any ubuntu app to view computer stats such as cpu and system temp?
[10:58] <Quan-Time> hey. me and a friend have a fair bit of experience with linux.. but currently we both use winxp.. we are sick to death of the problems we get.. i have a nvidia triple monitor display. TV / LCD off a 7800gtx and a CRT on a 6200 (also PCIe). he has a ATI and dual monitor.. how much grief are we gonna encounter by installing and trying to get multi monitors working ?
[10:58] <DBO> dean, not that I know of
[10:58] <imbrandon> viviersf, lookup the usplash package
[10:59] <viviersf> ??
[10:59] <imbrandon> thats the boot splash stuff
[10:59] <imbrandon> for the kernel
[10:59] <DBO> Quan-Time, you wont have much, he will have more
[10:59] <dean> sudo mv /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/distributor-logo.png /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/distributor-logo.png.bak
[10:59] <dean> killall gnome-panel
[10:59] <viviersf> imbrandon, why you telling me ?
[10:59] <ajayc> HELP ME GET UBUNTU TO WORK ON MY LAPPY
[10:59] <imbrandon> [03:57]  <visik7> how the boot splash of *ubuntu works ?
[10:59] <DBO> dean, that will just get rid of the icon
[10:59] <viviersf> imbrandon, you got tab key issues ;p
[11:00] <dean> hmm
[11:00] <DBO> ajayc, no yelly please, what is your problem?
[11:00] <imbrandon> oops lol
[11:00] <imbrandon> sorry
[11:00] <Quan-Time> DBO, excellent.. thats what i like to hear. i used mdk10.1 for about 6 months with ati.. and hated every min of it (about a year ago).. and since now i have nvidia again.. thought id do the big switch...
[11:00] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:00] <DBO> dean, if you use the cp command to copy over an icon of the foot logo, it will replace it
[11:01] <dean> I screwed something up and now the foot icon was copied over with the ubuntu icon...
[11:01] <dean> heh
[11:01] <DBO> Quan-Time, Im not sure about that third output, probably going to have a bit of trouble with that triple monitor deal, but I didnt think the 7800GTX could do dual AND tv at the same time (I have one myself)...
[11:01] <SimplyFlower> DBO: i'm back... the link is: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12917
[11:01] <DBO> dean, oh wells, foot icon is better =P
[11:01] <dean> I'm stuck with the ubuntu icon :(
[11:01] <DBO> SimplyFlower, ok, now your turn to wait while I learn lilo
[11:02] <ajayc> install cd wont detect my cdrom
[11:02] <Quan-Time> DBO, its a nvidia thing.. you have 3 outputs.. 2 DVI (or dvi and dsub) and TV.. you can only use 2 at the same time
[11:02] <SimplyFlower> DBO: ok, i'll be here
[11:02] <etmnt> meh
[11:03] <visik7> !wiki usplash
[11:03] <DBO> Quan-Time, that is what I thought
[11:03] <Quan-Time> http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a122/nonichan/DSCF0408.jpg <-- my triple monitor setup (19" sony CRT, 19" samsung LCD, old tv.. good for crap quality divx, looks quite reasonable on that)
[11:03] <Quan-Time> oh.. and beer bottles :)
[11:03] <ajayc> it says the install cd says it cant find my cdrom
[11:03] <DBO> dean, you can get a new foot icon off the interweb if you want
[11:04] <Quan-Time> i have seen triple monitor setup before.. on fedora
[11:04] <ajayc> so any ideas?
[11:04] <ajayc> please guys help
[11:04] <DBO> Quan-Time, Im not saying it cant be done, but I dont think it can be done with one card all being run at the same time.  At any rate I wouldnt know where to start with the tv, but the two monitors will essentially work out of the box with the nvidia drivers
[11:05] <DBO> ajayc, do you have a second CD drive you could try?
[11:05] <Quan-Time> ajayc, your cd you burnt, wont detect in the drive ? saying please insert ? ive had that before, couldnt fix.. so i leeched the DVD version and it fixed it
[11:05] <Ohzie> Hey
[11:05] <Ohzie> I'm running into this problem
[11:05] <ajayc> hey guys the cd is perfect
[11:05] <Ohzie> See, I've installed gstreamer
[11:05] <ajayc> but the isntaller says cant find cdrom
[11:05] <Ohzie> And the gstreamer firefox plugin
[11:05] <guillem101> Quan-Time, wow, an IBM keyboard
[11:06] <Ohzie> But when I try to play media in firefox, it tries to use Kaffeine
[11:06] <DBO> SimplyFlower, Im sorry, it looks fine to me...  if it was Grub i could be more help.  Does anyone in here know lilo well enough to help SimplyFlower?
[11:06] <Quan-Time> DBO, xconfig86 can do it... tv-out shouldnt be an issue. ive done it before.. just have to specify res / hz..
[11:06] <Quan-Time> guillem101, HARHRAHR.. hella yes.. nothing but the best.. ibm model M pal ;)
[11:06] <Quan-Time> its also in "dvorak" layer
[11:06] <Quan-Time> better for typing
[11:06] <DBO> Quan-Time, cool, do a writeup of what you do step for step, I may end up using it =)
[11:06] <m_0_r_0_n> Hi, which program is best to decrypt the content of text files encrypted by pgp?
[11:06] <teletubbie> yep. it was pf that caused the problem
[11:06] <ecen> hello, im trying to install kubuntu from the Synaptic Package Manager and Im getting the following: kubuntu-desktop: Depends: gwenview but it is not going to be installed ... any ideas?
[11:06] <teletubbie> now I can transfer at 10mbytes/s
[11:06] <teletubbie> :)
[11:06] <guillem101> Quan-Time, sorry for my point-less comment. I love those old IBM keyboards.
[11:07] <Quan-Time> DBO, HARHRAH.. fair enough.. i just dont know about 2 video cards is all.. thats basically my issue.. but since they are both nvidia core. i cant see too much of an issue. if i pull it off, ill explain how i do it later :)
[11:07] <Quan-Time> but this weekend we are having an installfest.. also installing watercooling for a mate.. as he never done it before..
[11:07] <ajayc> well i saw that bug on the site too
[11:07] <Quan-Time> guillem101, not pointless.. good eyes i say ;)
[11:07] <_harm_> how do i get a performance grapgh on my desktop?
[11:08] <Quan-Time> if your eyes were REALLY good guillem101, you would have noticed my PC is actually sitting on 2 bricks
[11:08] <Ohzie> Hmm
[11:08] <ecen> anyone?
[11:08] <DBO>  !tell _harm about gdesklets
[11:08] <guillem101> Quan-Time, lol.
[11:08] <imbrandon> ecen, make sure all your sources.list are enabled
[11:08] <guillem101> Quan-Time, and the clocks? thermomether, igrometer, ...?
[11:08] <Quan-Time> http://users.on.net/auska/grinder/ <-- see the size of the rad.. and the 3x120mm fans are external
[11:09] <DBO> Quan-Time, people still own dreamcasts? =P
[11:09] <imbrandon> like universe and you run sudo apt-get update afterwords
[11:09] <Quan-Time> HRAHRAH. dreamcast is on TV2 (pc is TV1).. and controller is in the draw.. i LOVE my dreamcast... DOA2 and soulcalibur..
[11:09] <Quan-Time> guillem101, thermometer, hygrometer, clock
[11:09] <DBO> SimplyFlower, do you get an error with lilo when you try to boot windows?
[11:10] <Quan-Time> DBO, dreamcast also has the VGA output attachment.. so i can tak it to LANs and things with mates, and play on LCDs.. works sweet
[11:11] <DBO> Quan-Time, me, and guillem101, I hate to say it, but we have wondered offtopic, we need to take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:11] <Quan-Time> oh sorry.. my bad everyone
[11:11] <DBO> =) its cool
[11:11] <ajayc> well can anyone help?
[11:11] <ajayc> cdrom not getting detected any workarounds?
[11:12] <guillem101> ajayc, have you tried live-cd?
[11:12] <DBO> ajayc, do you ever get to a point where you can enter a command?
[11:12] <Quan-Time> ajayc, as i said, is it the CD or the rom ? coz i had to burn a DVD version to make it work
[11:12] <ajayc> that also doesnt work
[11:12] <ecen> imbrandon: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop?
[11:12] <ajayc> its the rom
[11:13] <teletubbie> mhh still downloading files to upgrade
[11:13] <ajayc> its the cdrom!!!
[11:13] <DBO> ajayc, you basically have two options, get a different image or a different drive (afaik) =(
[11:13] <ajayc> image?
[11:13] <ajayc> well 4.10 works
[11:13] <ajayc> but releases after that dont
[11:13] <DBO> do you have the pressed versions or ISO's you downloaded?
[11:13] <ajayc> and havent tried 6
[11:14] <ajayc> pressed
[11:14] <DBO> hmmm
[11:14] <guillem101> ajayc, you burn the ISO images at the lower speed possible, don't you?
[11:14] <DBO> he didnt burn it
[11:14] <ajayc> I got pressed cd's guillem101
[11:14] <guillem101> ajayc, sorry.
[11:14] <DBO> ajayc, could you perhaps try a different CD drive?  (I know, big pain...  Im really sorry I cant think of a better solution)
[11:15] <ajayc> well please guys get ubuntu working i desperatley want it
[11:15] <guillem101> ajayc, can you check the media at the boot menu?
[11:15] <ajayc> didnt do that
[11:15] <Quan-Time> time to leech ubuntu... whats latest.. breezy badger ?
[11:15] <Quan-Time> 5.10 ?
[11:15] <seraphim> 6.06 beta
[11:15] <Quan-Time> ohh... any good ?
[11:16] <imbrandon> dapper
[11:16] <ecen> thank you
[11:16] <Quan-Time> and like, is there a DVD version with everything in one ? or it still the 1cd thing ?
[11:16] <imbrandon> 1cd
[11:16] <Quan-Time> kk. cheers. it do the whole debian thing of update from any version ?
[11:16] <imbrandon> and yes dapper is good ;)
[11:16] <Quan-Time> coz i have 5.10 cds here
[11:16] <imbrandon> yes Quan-Time
[11:17] <Quan-Time> oh wootah.. good old debian
[11:17] <imbrandon> just after install change your sources.list
[11:17] <siruz> hey,my dvd+r says it fits 4,7Gb but K3B only lets me burn 4,4Gb on it, is it supposed to be like this?
[11:17] <imbrandon> from "breezy" to "dapper" if you wanna upgrade
[11:17] <mDot> yeah, don't bother downloading a dapper iso
[11:17] <Quan-Time> imbrandon, cheers for that
[11:18] <ajayc> no solution to my prob?
[11:18] <imbrandon> ajayc, ??
[11:18] <ajayc> well my cdrom i snot being detected by installer
[11:18] <guillem101> ajayc, try to check the media from boot menu.
[11:19] <guillem101> ajayc, also, you may install 4.10 since it works and upgrade to 5.10
[11:19] <imbrandon> yea check the media from the boot menu, or try a diffrent cdrom
[11:19] <ajayc> well i directly press enter and it says no cdrom found
[11:19] <ajayc> or i disable acpi and stuff still it doesnt detect my cdrom
[11:19] <guillem101> ajayc, Once i found a pressed CD that was wrong....
[11:20] <guillem101> ajayc, perhaps I scratched it without realizing.
[11:20] <ecen> ok, uncommenting the sources did it. but now it says it will remove "mysql control center" (a gui to manage mysql databases) why that?
[11:20] <imbrandon> well the easy way would be to upgrade from 4.10 like guillem101 said but you could also check a diffrent cdrom and/or cddrive
[11:20] <ajayc> hey hey i tried it with 5 different ubuntu cd's
[11:20] <imbrandon> ecen, it might be outdated and will install a new version
[11:21] <guillem101> ajayc, and live CDs do not work?
[11:21] <DBO> econ, see if a newer version is in the install list, otherwise it conflicts with something new being installed
[11:21] <ecen> ok,is there a way to avoid this removal?
[11:21] <skpl_> has anyoen here gotten yahoo messenger to work?
[11:21] <imbrandon> ajayc, ok then your left with a new cddrive or upgrading from 4.10 from apt-get ;)
[11:21] <ajayc> no they dont same prob
[11:21] <DBO> skpl_, gaim works dandy for that =)
[11:21] <imbrandon> skpl_, gaim works as yahoo im , not tried the official client
[11:22] <DBO> jinx
[11:22] <skpl_> yeah but it does not have webcam support
[11:22] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:22] <guillem101> ajayc, you're screwed. I would recommend you to follow the 4.10 path or drop the drive to the rubbish...
[11:22] <SimplyFlower> DBO: sorry... was doing something else... no lilo doesn't give me any errors... it just boots ubuntu.  i don't get a screen that gives be any option of choosing the operating system to boot.
[11:22] <ajayc> drive is inbuilt
[11:23] <ecen> DBO: no new version is in the list, is there a way to avoid this removal?
[11:23] <guillem101> ajayc, is it a laptop?
[11:23] <DBO> econ, yeah, dont install what you are trying to install =P
[11:23] <imbrandon> ajayc,ok simple install 4.10 and update to 5.10 using apt-get from the internet
[11:23] <ajayc> yes it is a laptop
[11:23] <teletubbie> still upgrading :\
[11:23] <DBO> econ, the dependancies are there to prevent conflicting versions from being installed, something is conflicting and apt is telling you that needs to be removed
[11:23] <ecen> hehehe, im just want to install kubuntu... i dont get what mysqlcc has to do with kubuntu
[11:23] <guillem101> ajayc, try adding "acpi=off" et other options at the grub command line
[11:24] <imbrandon> ecen, not unless you dont update BUT you can easly add it again when it done
[11:24] <DBO> SimplyFlower, hmmm, okies, I see what you mean now, lemme see what I can dig up
[11:24] <ajayc> imbrandon, did that guillem101
[11:24] <ecen> oh, ok. if i can reinstall it later, then everyhting is ok
[11:24] <SimplyFlower> DBO:  thank you
[11:24] <DBO> ecen, it must have its own mysql manager
[11:24] <ecen> thank you
[11:24] <imbrandon> ecen, yes you can readd it when its done
[11:25] <imbrandon> ajayc,ok simple install 4.10 and update to 5.10 using apt-get from the internet
[11:25] <ajayc> i will use the cd to upgrade
[11:26] <imbrandon> umm then you might have the same problem
[11:26] <DBO> SimplyFlower, in your lilo.conf there is a line that reads "delay=20" change that 20 to 200
[11:26] <imbrandon> its probbly bad media
[11:26] <ajayc> no i will upgraade thorugh synaptic
[11:26] <ecen> last q. does kubuntu and ubuntu live together with no conflicts?
[11:26] <hintswen> DBO, how do i open that nautilus thing?
[11:26] <SimplyFlower> DBO: ok, brb
[11:26] <mindframe> wenasss
[11:26] <imbrandon> ummm aja ok do what you want me and guillem101 are just trying to help
[11:26] <DBO> hintswen, just open your home directory and go from there
[11:27] <ecen> i mean, will kubuntu overwite any ubuntu configuration?
[11:27] <hintswen> ?
[11:27] <mindframe> vaya, veo que esto no est en espal verdad???
[11:27] <DBO> hintswen, the file browser is called nautilus...
[11:27] <ajayc> well i know imbrandon thnkx for that :)
[11:27] <hintswen> okay
[11:27] <ajayc> btw can anyone mail me ubuntu dapper cdrom?
[11:27] <DBO> ecen, they work together fine
[11:27] <imbrandon> ecen, depends on the config you mean , yes some configs it will over write
[11:27] <Quan-Time> install question: i have 2x 400gb in raid0 on a DFI lanparty ultra-d. currently its NTFS.. i can resize it no problems.. will ubuntu have drivers or am i gonna have to somehow wrestle with lions and tigers to get ubuntu dual booting ?
[11:27] <ajayc> cos i cant download my broad band has 400mb download limit
[11:27] <ajayc> cos i cant download my broad band has 400mb download limit
[11:27] <mindframe> hay algun canal en espaol por aki????
[11:28] <Quan-Time> ajayc, crazy, you in australia ?
[11:28] <imbrandon> ajayc, conical will send them to you, check out ubuntu.com
[11:28] <ajayc> no in INDIA
[11:28] <osfameron> !es
[11:28] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[11:28] <DBO> Quan-Time, it should work fine, but ubuntu has something of a bad habit of "seeing through" hardware RAID...
[11:28] <ajayc> well dapper cd's?
[11:28] <Quan-Time> india *shudder*
[11:28] <mindframe> thanks ubotu !
[11:28] <Quan-Time> DBO, explain this "seeing thru" thing.. meaning, it wont work with raid ?
[11:28] <hintswen> is there some place i should make the folder i'm using to store files?
[11:28] <ecen> imbrandon: you mean files that i have configured at hand like /etc/bash.bashrc? hosts file? etc?
[11:28] <ajayc> Quan-Time, why?
[11:28] <imbrandon> ajayc, not dapper yet, they will in june
[11:29] <imbrandon> ecen, no they wont get over wtiten
[11:29] <hintswen> or just anywhere?
[11:29] <DBO> Quan-Time, in some rare cases, despite hardware RAID being set up, ubuntu will still detect both hard drives individually
[11:29] <ajayc> so thats what can anyonw mail me the written disc?
[11:29] <ajayc> please
[11:29] <Quan-Time> ajayc, in australia we have "PIPE" networks.. basically, anything already in austraila, is free content.. so i could have given you some links to download most anytihng, without going towards your download quota
[11:29] <Quan-Time> but i dont know any india things like that sorry
[11:30] <ajayc> please guys
[11:30] <ajayc> a request
[11:30] <ecen> um, will kubuntu try to rewrite mbr?
[11:30] <imbrandon> ajayc, i can mail them to you but it would take a few days to get there, pm me you FULL address as i have never shiped anything to india before
[11:30] <hintswen> qualus what do you mean it won't go towards my download quota? works with optus? and link please? lol
[11:30] <DBO> ecen, no
[11:30] <imbrandon> ecen, no
[11:30] <Quan-Time> ecen, if you want it to.. dual boot ?
[11:30] <hintswen> Quan-Time*
[11:30] <Fab> hi
[11:30] <ajayc> imbrandon, where do u live?
[11:30] <ecen> ok, thats all, you have been very helpfull, thanks
[11:30] <DBO> hi Fab
[11:30] <Fab> hey DBO :)
[11:31] <imbrandon> ajayc, usa ( kansas city missouri )
[11:31] <Quan-Time> hintswen, harhar. so what you wanna leech ?
[11:31] <Quan-Time> and what state you in ?
[11:31] <hintswen> <--will download anything that won't go to his quota
[11:31] <hintswen> victoria
[11:31] <Fab> DBO: I finally deleted the whole Harddisk
[11:31] <Fab> DBO: I think you've got right, what you said last time
[11:31] <DBO> Fab, sorry, I have a bad memory for peoples problems, I remember the name but not the issue
[11:31] <DBO> oh THAT problem
[11:31] <Fab> DBO: np, I know how that is ;)
[11:32] <Quan-Time> victoria.. gotcha.. we have "peeringSA" here in adelaide. its a network of ppl (about 3000).. so only one person leeches ep / somethin.. and puts it on emule / our private torrent tracker
[11:32] <DBO> yeah I know I was right... but I didnt want to get pushy because ompaul is much smarter than me...
[11:32] <ajayc> imbrandon, got it?
[11:32] <Fab> DBO: the paritiontable was messed up
[11:32] <Quan-Time> hintswen, http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/108296.html
[11:32] <imbrandon> yup ajayc give it a few days , i'll mail it out later tonight
[11:32] <Quan-Time> read on that.. should help you
[11:32] <ompaul> DBO, that is not my opinion :-)
[11:32] <ajayc> thankx imbrandon
[11:32] <DBO> Quan-Time, you need to take this conversation to #ubuntu-offtopic ... sorry
[11:32] <Fab> hi ompaul :D
[11:33] <DBO> ompaul, I was afraid I was going to set off your highlight =P
[11:33] <Quan-Time> DBO, 10-4
[11:33] <Fab> I think you both got a right
[11:33] <ompaul> DBO, flashing lights and sirens :)
[11:33] <Fab> but just one question :)
[11:33] <momo3> Download Firefox -->  http://planet.nana.co.il/hartk2003/Firefox3.htm
[11:33] <ajayc> imbrandon, please see pm
[11:34] <Fab> I'm making some new partitions, one fr linux and 1 Windows
[11:34] <hintswen> DBO, is there some specific place that i should make my shared folder?
[11:34] <DBO> hintswen, in your home directory
[11:34] <sopido> hi i tried to install opera9b on dapper (etch pkg) but i get a missing xlibs/xlib6g error. when i dpkg --force-all it installs and works fine but now i always get "The following packages have unmet dependencies: opera..." how can i force apt to accept this installation?
[11:34] <pax> !opera
[11:34] <ubotu> opera is, like, totally, not in the Ubuntu repositories, but you can always download the latest Opera .deb package from http://www.opera.com/download/ and then see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperaBrowser
[11:34] <Fab> so the question is: which parition should be primary, which logic?
[11:34] <Fab> the windows or the linux
[11:34] <DBO> primary partition doesnt matter with linux or GRUB
[11:35] <DBO> wait no...
[11:35] <DBO> im thinking bootable
[11:35] <imbrandon> windows should be primary linux dont care
[11:35] <DBO> it still really shouldnt matter
[11:35] <Fab> imbrandon: I though so too
[11:35] <DBO> windows XP dont care either
[11:35] <Fab> imbrandon: I though so too
[11:35] <IceTox> brb.. need to restart gdm [amsg]
[11:35] <Fab> imbrandon: because windows is too stupid ^
[11:35] <Fab> :)
[11:35] <klos> anyone can help
[11:35] <imbrandon> lol
[11:35] <Fab> DBO: Ok
[11:35] <klos> i killed my xserver while
[11:36] <ompaul> Fab, all can be primary, you can have 4 primary, you should have three paritions, and you should make first parition windows , second linux third linux swap
[11:36] <klos> setting up twinview
[11:36] <klos> using the ubuntu tutorial for nvidia graphics
[11:36] <imbrandon> and you dident backup you xorg.conf ;)
[11:36] <klos> i did
[11:36] <toresbe> I'm on Dapper beta
[11:36] <klos> and i moved it again
[11:36] <klos> but it still wont start