[03:53] <thewrath> hey all!
[04:02] <UndiFineD> o/
[04:04] <eiriksvin> im recording a video for friends to show them how cool Ubuntu is:)
[04:42] <GarryFre> I am spending a LOT of time trying to find out in google where autostart.sh file is. I need to edit it, but google is being my frenemy and all I get is about editing  it, not where to find it TO edit it!
[04:46] <GarryFre> find -name autostart.sh just drops to the command line. I KNOW it'sthere, because I had to edit it to fix conky covering over all the windows.
[04:47] <bioterror> sudo find / |grep autostart.sh
[05:10] <eiriksvin> how do i convert .ogv to something that i could put on facebook?
[05:11] <holstein> you *could* put those on facebook
[05:11] <holstein> a better question would be posed to facebook
[05:11] <holstein> 'why cant i upload my .ogv'
[05:11] <holstein> BUT
[05:11] <holstein> eiriksvin: what formats do they accept?
[05:11] <holstein> .avi ?
[05:12] <eiriksvin> idunno
[05:12] <eiriksvin> :)
[05:12] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=168634&highlight=avi+files
[05:13] <holstein> you'll need to have a target in mind
[05:13] <holstein> if you search 'ubuntu convert .ogv to .whatever'
[05:13] <holstein> you'll find something :)
[05:13] <eiriksvin> yeah, im looking at video conversion lists right now... wow
 well OpenShot Video Editor seems to be ok, but does im looking for a nice converter
[05:18] <holstein> yeah, thats overkill
[05:18] <eiriksvin> i guess i could put it onto YouTube, and link it there
[05:18] <holstein> i know all about converting audio formats
[05:18] <holstein> but, i dont do video much
[05:18] <holstein> and yeah, when i do
[05:18] <holstein> i just do youtube
[05:18] <holstein> or i just put the ogv on my server
[05:20] <eiriksvin> i really want to get some mp3s and movies, but im worried my ISP will get mad if they see the file names. got any ideas on how to get them masked as i download?
[05:21] <holstein> ?
[05:21] <holstein> if its legal
[05:21] <holstein> do it
[05:21] <holstein> and tell them where to go
[05:21] <holstein> if its not legal
[05:21] <holstein> im not helping you with it
[05:22] <eiriksvin> heh, yeah i know, gotta pay to play:(
[05:23] <holstein> well, im a musician
[05:23] <holstein> so, i am closely connected to the issue
[05:46] <AJH101> hi i have just upgraded - all running ok except i am getting the following request for a user name and password - any idea to what this relates?! A user name and password are being requested by http://localhost:53300. The site says: "bookmarkable-user-auth". Thanks!
[05:47] <holstein> AJH101: can you just close that page?
[05:47] <holstein> its in the browser right?
[05:48] <holstein> just close it
[05:48] <holstein> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/128771
[05:48] <holstein> looks like its ubuntuone related
[05:49] <AJH101> it comes up as a small dialogue box. If i cancel it reapears!
[05:49] <holstein> yeah
[05:49] <holstein> check out that link i dropped
[05:49] <holstein> see if that helps
[05:53] <AJH101> got my user and pass thanks - will try
[06:05] <AJH101> U1 happy thanks guys
[06:06] <AJH101> Second question: my theme has changed this morning and i cannot change it back to the default! :-(
[06:07] <holstein> unity?
[06:07] <holstein> you've logged out and back in?
[06:08] <AJH101> went back to gnome - will log out now
[06:20] <Ambrose83> how do I run itunes with the ubuntu system
[06:21] <holstein> wine
[06:21] <Ambrose83> okay i downloaded wine now what?
[06:21] <holstein> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/128771
[06:22] <holstein> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/itunes
[06:22] <holstein> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=1347
[06:22] <holstein> Ambrose83: i dont know
[06:22] <holstein> i dont like itunes
[06:22] <holstein> so im not motivated to sort out how to hack it into shape on ubuntu
[06:22] <holstein> but, im sure you can :)
[06:24] <holstein> GN all
[08:42] <Angelo_abe> Hi, I reinstalled my laptop with ubuntu 11.04, since that I cannot export displays from a server to my screen, how can I fix that? The error on the remote host is "Cannot open display". I did run "xhost +" on my localhost
[10:20] <s-fox> !topic
[10:20] <ubot2> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[10:21] <s-fox> Hmm, character limit. ;)
[10:22] <MrChrisDruif> That /topic doesn't even work >_<
[10:22] <s-fox> \o/
[10:22] <MrChrisDruif> good job s-fox :) o/
[10:23] <s-fox> Hello MrChrisDruif .
[10:23] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha s-fox :)
[10:34] <glivezoo> ;-)pb avecn vidia et natty narvall au demarrage de X
[10:34] <glivezoo> help
[10:34] <glivezoo> au secours
[10:34] <glivezoo> est ce que ca marche le chat
[10:35] <MrChrisDruif> glivezoo: This is an English channel :)
[10:35] <MrChrisDruif> But if I understand it well enough, your having problems with Natty Narwhal and nVidia drivers?
[10:36] <glivezoo> oh sorry  i ve some troubles on starting with nvidia et natty narval
[10:36] <glivezoo> some ideas..
[10:37] <s-fox> glivezoo,  essayer #ubuntu-fr
[10:38] <glivezoo> ok merci
[15:00] <newubuntu> anyone here?
[15:00] <holstein> sure
[15:00] <holstein> theres always someone here newubuntu
[15:01] <holstein> just give the /topic a look, and go for it :)
[15:01] <newubuntu> question: how to make flash videos run smoothly on ubuntu, youtube videos get stuck when changed to full screen mode sometimes...
[15:03] <holstein> newubuntu: that can be a tricky question
[15:03] <newubuntu> hmm
[15:03] <holstein> i would like to suggest that you pose that question to the maintainer of flash
[15:03] <holstein> BUT, let me talk about some ideas you can use
[15:04] <holstein> to troubleshoot
[15:04] <newubuntu> go on...
[15:04] <holstein> sometimes, using a proprietary graphics driver can help
[15:05] <newubuntu> pl dont talk about graphics card
[15:05] <holstein> newubuntu: pl?
[15:05] <newubuntu> coz the same problem is NOT there in windows XP
[15:05] <holstein> newubuntu: right
[15:05] <newubuntu> holstein: didnt get u?
[15:05] <holstein> pl = please?
[15:05] <MrChrisDruif> holstein: indeed
[15:06] <newubuntu> holstein: yeah so?
[15:06] <holstein> you are asking that i please *not* talk about graphics cards?
[15:06] <holstein> OK
[15:06] <holstein> im talking about the graphics card *driver*
[15:06] <holstein> which i assure you *is* different from the one you use in XP
[15:06] <newubuntu> holstein: urghhh! i meant to say that only!
[15:07] <holstein> newubuntu: i have had that issue
[15:07] <holstein> on several devices
[15:07] <newubuntu> hmm
[15:07] <holstein> and i think i can help shed some light on this issue
[15:07] <holstein> but, i will need to talk about your graphics card
[15:08] <UndiFineD> patience of a saint holstein, bravo
[15:08] <holstein> UndiFineD: :)
[15:09] <UndiFineD> newubuntu, we need to know your graphics card manufacturer, so know if a binary driver would help here
[15:09] <newubuntu> lemme clarify 1 thing: the driver for my graphics card aint avaliable for ubuntu, ive checkd already
[15:10] <holstein> allow me to further clarify
[15:10] <newubuntu> go on
[15:10] <holstein> the manufacturer of your graphics hardware doesnt supply a driver for linux*
[15:11] <holstein> but, if you would like to link the manufacturer, and type
[15:11] <holstein> we could look around a bit
[15:11] <newubuntu> people...ill be right back
[15:24] <Sidewinder1> Sometimes, helping can be a very "trying" experience.
[15:24] <MrChrisDruif> ??
[15:25] <DejaVu> this might help http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4790346&postcount=1
[15:28] <MrBadWiki> Aloha?
[15:28] <MrChrisDruif> Hello myself :P I already like you MrBadWiki ;)
[15:30] <Daniel0108> hi MrBadWiki
[15:30] <Daniel0108> :P
[15:30] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha Daniel0108 ;)
[15:36] <UndiFineD> :P
[15:45] <Sidewinder1> Hello bodhi_zazen
[15:47] <Sidewinder1> Never seen you on the channel before; but many, many times on the forums. Nice to see you!
[15:49] <s7nf> hey guys, how can i open my tab delimited file (.txt) with open office spread sheet?
[15:49] <s7nf> when i try to, it associates it with writer, and opens it there
[15:51] <stevd> Hello
[15:52] <stevd> I have been having a problem with setting up my wireless router
[15:53] <stevd> not router wireless card
[15:54] <Sidewinder1> stevd: Please elaborate.
[15:55] <stevd> ok I am using ASUS USB N13 N
[15:56] <Sidewinder1> Is that a router? If so, I'm unfamiliar with it.
[15:56] <stevd> I have tried trouble shooting with documentation, my computer says thats its not enabled
[15:56] <stevd> um wirless card not router my mistake
[15:58] <Sidewinder1> Oh, OK, sorry I can't really help too much (beyond basics) with wireless cards...
[15:58] <stevd> the terminal says it sees the card and drivers but it says its enabled
[15:59] <Sidewinder1> Enabled? Are you sure it doesn't say "disabled"?
[16:01] <stevd> Im mean disabled... early morning
[16:01] <stevd> I cant find a turm to try to just make it enabled
[16:02] <Sidewinder1> Get a cup of coffee... :-)
[16:03] <stevd> yeah
[16:03] <stevd> need one
[16:04] <Sidewinder1> If it's not "enabled", it may be a driver issue. Are you certain you're using the most current one for the distro (10.04, 10.10, or 11.04)?
[16:04] <Sidewinder1> And for that card?
[16:04] <stevd> i dont know if I am
[16:05] <Sidewinder1> That may be a place to start.
[16:05] <stevd> the computer told me someware else that it was a firmware issue
[16:06] <Sidewinder1> I only update firmware as a last resort, but, that's just me.
[16:06] <Sidewinder1> But after all else fails you may need to do that if it's an old card.
[16:08] <stevd> its only 3 month old card
[16:10] <Sidewinder1> Then it probably isn't a firmware issue. What is the output of, in a terminal, lsusb? Re: the ASUS?
[16:11] <stevd> let be check
[16:12] <stevd> I got it up were do you want to know the output
[16:12] <stevd> Bus 009 Device 003: ID 0b05:1784 ASUSTek Computer, Inc. 802.11n Network Adapter
[16:16] <stevd> what do you think
[16:16] <Sidewinder1> Well this is getting a little beyond my abilities...;-( The next thing I would try is typing in terminal dmesg and see if anything jumps out regarding that card / port, etc...
[16:18] <stevd> not really
[16:19] <Sidewinder1> AT this point you have two choices: Ask your question in #ubuntu (mentioning your card, ubuntu version, etc) or better yet going to ubuntuforums.org and asking there; although it'll take longer for someone to answer.
[16:19] <stevd> oh ok
[16:20] <Sidewinder1> Sorry I wasn't a better helper. :-( Side slinks away with his tail between his legs... :-)
[16:20] <stevd> its ok I have a tough one to figure out
[16:21] <Sidewinder1> Actually it's not that tough for someone that is more familiar with wireless cards.
[16:22] <Sidewinder1> ndiswrapper is anothe LAST-RESORT.
[16:22] <Sidewinder1> another, sorry
[16:22] <stevd> ok I tried that before it sucks and buggy
[16:24] <Sidewinder1> Maybe 'it' screwed something up?
[16:24] <stevd> yeah but I redownloaded linux so its not that
[16:25] <Sidewinder1> Did you "totally remove" ndiswrapper?
[16:25] <Sidewinder1> Oh, OK, you answered while I was typing.
[16:25] <stevd> I typed this sudo lshw -C network and got into the network card info
[16:25] <stevd> the computer was wiped
[16:27] <Sidewinder1> Then I would suggest ubuntuforums.org, they're very knowlegable and more than willing to help; just be very specific with your problem. The more info. the better.
[16:27] <stevd> ok
[16:28] <Sidewinder1> Good luck!
[16:32] <Sidewinder1> Try addressing your question on the main chanel (#ubuntu) Dr_Willis is there now and he's an expert...
[16:34] <Sidewinder1> Phrase your question, all on one line, listing your distro (10.10, 11.04, etc.) your card, any error messaged, etc,...
[18:15] <mang0> Heya!
[18:17] <mang0> I'm just wondering if I can use a virtual cd drive to run the ISO file for the ubuntu install....for instance, daemon tools lite.
[18:17] <mang0> I don't have any re-writable cds, and I already have a liveCD of 10.10
[18:17] <mang0> holstein
[18:17] <mang0> -----------^ and hello :)
[18:40] <holstein> mang0: o/
[18:40] <holstein> i would use unetbootin
[18:40] <mang0> \o/
[18:41] <holstein> with a USB stick
[18:41] <holstein> if you dont have that
[18:41] <holstein> and you're trying to do something from an already running install
[18:41] <holstein> in theory, you should be albe to do that
[18:41] <holstein> but, its over my head
[18:41] <mang0> I have heard (in #ubuntu) that 11.04 has a newer kernal and so maybe it would detect my drives...
[18:42] <mang0> it might be a bios problem though, but I really don't know much about bios, i'm sorta a noob to bios tbh.
[18:42] <holstein> mang0: you can probably try the mainline kernel
[18:42] <holstein> in whatever you are running
[18:43] <holstein> and get the functionality of the newer kernel
[18:43] <holstein> without too much hassle
[18:43] <holstein> when i did it, i just DL'd a .deb for the mainline kernel
[18:43] <holstein> and installed/uninstalled like anything else
[18:43] <holstein> *thats plausible i suppose
[18:43] <mang0> aw god, I cba with all this hassle, just gonna dl 11.04, burn a CD and hope for the best.
[18:44] <holstein> yeah, i would
[18:44] <holstein> you can try it live
[18:44] <mang0> yearp
[18:44]  * mang0 dls
[18:44] <mang0> !download
[18:44] <ubot2> Ubuntu installation CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com - Mirrors can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors - PLEASE use the !torrents to download !Karmic, and help keeping the servers' load low!
[18:44] <holstein> those CD's are handy for diagnostics or whatever
[18:44] <holstein> i usually just carry one around
[18:45] <holstein> and if i end up using it on someones machine
[18:45] <holstein> i give it to them
[18:45] <mang0> heh, yeah
[19:45] <mang0> holstein it might be a bios problem, how do I check if my Bios is set up okay?
[20:05] <holstein> mang0: its really case by case
[20:05] <holstein> you cant get it to boot the CD ?
[20:05] <mang0> As I can well imagine! Yes I can boot from the CD, but I can not install
[20:05] <mang0> I need 2.7GB space, and it is telling me I don't have it...
[20:06] <mang0> Even though I have two 120GB hard drives
[20:07] <mang0> holstein ^
[20:07] <holstein> mang0: whats on the drives?
[20:08] <holstein> you said they were SATA?
[20:08] <mang0> On one of them (C) I have all my stuff - Windows, software etc
[20:08] <mang0> the other one is empty
[20:08] <mang0> they are both NTFS
[20:08] <holstein> i would unplug the one with all your stuff
[20:08] <holstein> then, i would probably go in and blank it
[20:08] <holstein> see if gparted sees it
[20:09] <holstein> and get it nice and blank
[20:09] <holstein> then, try the installer
[20:09] <mang0> how do i blank it?
[20:09] <holstein> and let me know
[20:09] <holstein> mang0: using gparted
[20:09] <holstein> thats an easy GUI way
[20:09] <mang0> *confused*
[20:09] <mang0> Gparted doesn't see it
[20:09] <holstein> OK
[20:09] <holstein> thats not good
[20:09] <holstein> mang0: have you tried a parted magic disc?
[20:10] <holstein> what kind of hard drives are these?
[20:10] <mang0> one sec
[20:10] <mang0> gonna screenshot
[20:11] <mang0> hm
[20:11] <mang0> they are NTFS
[20:11] <mang0> SATA
[20:11] <holstein> what about the sata controller?
[20:12] <mang0> http://img1.uploadscreenshot.com/images/orig/4/11712260312-orig.jpg
[20:12] <mang0> you can see the stuff there
[20:12] <holstein> you got hardware RAID or something else odd?
[20:13] <holstein> its not going to be the hard drives then
[20:13] <holstein> or the format
[20:14] <holstein> its going to be the SATA controller i think
[20:14] <mang0> so what should I do?
[20:15] <holstein> well
[20:15] <holstein> tell me if you have hardware raid set up or not
[20:15] <holstein> and then tell me what the sata controller is ;)
[20:15] <holstein> get that live CD running on there
[20:15] <holstein> and i'll give you a few commands
[20:15] <holstein> it really doesnt matter what XP sees
[20:15] <holstein> we cant use any of its drivers
[20:17] <mang0> problem no. 1: I can't use the internet on the livecd
[20:17] <mang0> my broadcom card doesn't work
[20:17] <mang0> f**k
[20:17] <mang0> Hmm
[20:17] <mang0> I could go downstairs on my mum's comp
[20:18] <mang0> and open up IRC
[20:18] <mang0> then boot up LiveCD here
[20:18] <mang0> :/
[20:18] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2557
[20:19] <mang0> :|
[20:19] <mang0> UUUUUU
[20:19] <holstein> mang0: how about this
[20:19] <holstein> you mind DLing another live CD?
[20:19] <holstein> and trying it?
[20:19] <mang0> Right, lets do this one at a time. Lets get my internet working........with the liveCD
[20:19] <mang0> and no i dont
[20:19] <mang0> i have 11.04 on my desktop
[20:19] <mang0> if you like I can burn it
[20:19] <mang0> ...
[20:20] <holstein> http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04/
[20:20] <holstein> ^ i would try that
[20:20] <mang0> 8.04?!
[20:20] <holstein> see if gparted can see your drives
[20:20] <holstein> then, note the kernel version
[20:20] <mang0> okay........if it can, should I just install it from that liveCD? and then I can update
[20:20] <holstein> nah
[20:21] <holstein> *well, not yet
[20:21] <holstein> we're just collecting information
[20:21] <mang0> Thing is, I only have a limited amount of CDs here....and my download speed is crappy....like, srsly crappy
[20:22] <holstein> you dont have to*
[20:22] <holstein> its just an idea
[20:22] <holstein> its nice to have diagnostic discs around though
[20:22] <holstein> i routinely use ubuntu 8.04, 10.04, puppy linux, gparted discs, maybe knoppix
[20:23] <holstein> for me, sometimes its easier to just try a kernel out
[20:23] <holstein> a really different one
[20:23] <holstein> and then look up what the differences are
[20:23] <holstein> i mean, if i were you
[20:23] <holstein> i would probably just put a PATA drive in somewhere
[20:23] <holstein> and install ubuntu on it
[20:23] <mang0> Hmm
[20:23] <mang0> tell you what
[20:23] <mang0> I'm gonna burn the 11.04 CD
[20:23] <mang0> and try it
[20:24] <holstein> sure
[20:24] <holstein> im just thinking that acutally the opposite has happened
[20:24] <mang0> thanks for your help with this btw, i really appreciate it!
[20:24] <holstein> that support for your controller has been removed*
[20:24] <holstein> mang0: sure, anytime :)
[20:24] <mang0> :)
[20:24] <mang0> it is very possible that it has been removed
[20:24] <mang0> as it is fairly old...
[20:25] <holstein> thats good though, in a way
[20:25] <mang0> ?
[20:25] <holstein> that means, you coud roll up your own
[20:25] <holstein> with a kernel that will support it
[20:25] <holstein> *in theory
[20:25]  * mang0 is so nooby he is asking in a nooby way what a kernel is
[20:25] <holstein> or, step back to a kernel that supports it
[20:25] <holstein> nah, ask away :)
[20:26] <holstein> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel
[20:26] <mang0> thanks
[20:26] <holstein> every OS has a kernel
[20:26] <holstein> linux is actually the kernel*
[20:26] <holstein> the operating system is ubuntu
[20:26] <mang0> shit
[20:26] <holstein> that utilizes the linux kernel
[20:26] <mang0> I accidentally dled 10.04 instead of 11.04
[20:27]  * mang0 facepalm
[20:27] <holstein> IF you want to be totally accurate
[20:27] <holstein> actually
[20:27] <holstein> mang0: lets download an alternate CD
[20:27] <mang0> shall i try 10.04?
[20:27] <mang0> oh
[20:27] <mang0> okay
[20:27] <holstein> let me get alink
[20:28] <mang0> I'm gonna make a cuppa tea, brb
[20:29] <holstein> http://ubuntu-releases.cs.umn.edu//natty/
[20:29] <holstein> you'll see the alternate imgages
[20:29] <holstein> i say, go for http://ubuntu-releases.cs.umn.edu//natty/ubuntu-11.04-alternate-i386.iso
[20:34] <mang0> holstein im back
[20:35] <Error404NotFoun1> howdy people
[20:35] <Error404NotFoun1> how do i remove the gnome panel
[20:35] <mang0> downloading it, its gonna take 3 bloody hours
[20:42] <mang0> Error404NotFoun1 hit it with a hammer?
[20:43] <Error404NotFoun1> tried that
[20:43] <Error404NotFoun1> it only got rid of my monitor...
[21:01] <mang0> Error404NotFound you could use a chain saw instead of a hammer....
[21:01] <Error404NotFound> my chainsaw is burried in my garage...
[21:01] <Error404NotFound> how do you login on classic
[21:03] <mang0> hmmmm
[21:03] <mang0> How about you scream and run around in circles untill you collapse on the floor?
[21:03] <Error404NotFound> i would think it was easy but i see no option when logging in
[21:04] <Error404NotFound> how bout i bash my face off this keyboard till its a bloody mess
[21:04] <mang0> yes!
[21:05] <Error404NotFound> found it brb
[21:09] <holstein> hey Error404NotFound
[21:09] <Error404NotFound> howdy
[21:09] <holstein> when loging in
[21:09] <holstein> you will see it
[21:09] <Error404NotFound> i didnt
[21:09] <holstein> at the bottom of the screen
[21:09] <holstein> after selecting your name
[21:09] <Error404NotFound> but i found start up options and defaulted it to classic
[21:09] <holstein> and before putting in your password
[21:09] <holstein> OK
[21:09] <Error404NotFound> now how do i stop desktop icons from showing
[21:10] <mang0> slap them
[21:10] <holstein> you can delete them
[21:10] <Error404NotFound> ima slap you
[21:10] <holstein> BUT
[21:10]  * mang0 feels helpful
[21:10] <holstein> i guess you are talking about hiding mounted volumes
[21:10] <holstein> thats a gconf setting
[21:10] <Error404NotFound> it just shows my magic jack
[21:10] <holstein> hit alt+F2
[21:10] <Error404NotFound> which dont work on linux
[21:10] <holstein> type in
[21:11] <mang0> holstein just outta curiosity, what timezone/country are you in?
[21:11] <holstein> gconf-editor
[21:11] <holstein> mang0: EST us
[21:11] <mang0> hmm
[21:11] <mang0> what time is it there now?
[21:11] <holstein> northcarolina
[21:11] <holstein> 4pm
[21:11] <mang0> I'm in UK, its 21:12....
[21:11] <mang0> not too bad
[21:12] <mang0> if you were in NZ i would be like FUUU
[21:12] <mang0> lol
[21:12] <holstein> Error404NotFound: then go to apps > nautilus > desktop and unclick volumes_visible
[21:12] <mang0> right, I'm gonna go read my book for a bit, leaving ubuntu to download. Cya tomoz!
[21:12] <holstein> mang0: right on :)
[21:12] <mang0> :)
[21:12] <Error404NotFound> yay
[21:13] <Error404NotFound> now if i can get this system monitor thingy to move
[21:13] <Error404NotFound> id be good
[21:14] <holstein> Error404NotFound: right click
[21:14] <holstein> select 'move'
[21:14] <Error404NotFound> right clicking on it does nothing
[21:14] <holstein> Error404NotFound: what are we talking about?
[21:14] <Error404NotFound> opens config for the monitor thats it
[21:14] <holstein> right
[21:14] <Error404NotFound> GKrellm
[21:14] <holstein> move is not an option?
[21:14] <Error404NotFound> performance monitor
[21:15] <holstein> OK
[21:15] <holstein> Error404NotFound: first thing
[21:15] <holstein> accept the fact that we are going to make it move
[21:15] <Error404NotFound> i swear when i first installed it i could move it
[21:15] <holstein> period
[21:15] <holstein> its a machine
[21:15] <holstein> and we're going to tell it what to do
[21:15] <holstein> that being said
[21:15] <holstein> let me add the thing
[21:15] <holstein> and i'll tell you how to move it...
[21:16] <holstein> Error404NotFound: its called 'system monitor' ?
[21:16] <holstein> right?
[21:16] <holstein> everything on the panel
[21:16] <holstein> *the gnome panel
[21:17] <holstein> when i right click
[21:17] <holstein> i get a 'move' option
[21:17] <Error404NotFound> erm i cant find crap now that im in clasic lol
[21:17] <holstein> they are different*
[21:17] <Error404NotFound> gkrellm system monitor
[21:18] <holstein> right
[21:18] <holstein> what was it called
[21:18] <holstein> when you added it?
[21:18] <holstein> how did you add it?
[21:18] <Error404NotFound> searched for performance monitors
[21:18] <Error404NotFound> in apps
[21:18] <holstein> Error404NotFound: OK
[21:18] <holstein> how did you add it?
[21:18] <holstein> you clicked on something in the menu?
[21:19] <Error404NotFound> found in list and hit install
[21:19] <holstein> OK
[21:19] <holstein> then, you probably cant move that
[21:19] <holstein> BUT
[21:19] <holstein> what is it doing?
[21:19] <Error404NotFound> iots just not where i want it lol
[21:19] <Error404NotFound> its*
[21:19] <holstein> Error404NotFound: do this
[21:19] <holstein> on the gnome panel
[21:20] <holstein> right-click
[21:20] <holstein> select 'add to panel'
[21:20] <Error404NotFound> and then
[21:20] <holstein> find and add 'system monitor'
[21:20] <holstein> see if that'll do what you want
[21:20] <holstein> you can move that around anywhere
[21:21] <Error404NotFound> its nothing like what im using now
[21:22] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7322845
[21:23] <holstein> i think you need to edit the config page
[21:23] <holstein> to move those around
[21:24] <holstein> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man1/gkrellm.1.html
[21:29] <Error404NotFound> ffs
[21:29] <Error404NotFound> i tried removing it and reinstalling
[21:29] <holstein> why?
[21:29] <Error404NotFound> it remembered all my settings...
[21:30] <holstein> that was zero of the suggestions i just gave ... :/
[21:30] <holstein> its going to be a config file
[21:30] <holstein> like conky i bet*
[21:30] <Error404NotFound> what you said sounded to hard
[21:30] <holstein> lol
[21:30] <holstein> what i said will probably work*
[21:31] <Error404NotFound> brb
[21:38] <holstein> Error404NotFound: OH
[21:38] <holstein> im checking the config options
[21:38] <holstein> i think theres a GUI
[21:38] <holstein> yeah
[21:38] <holstein> im able to just drag it around
[21:38] <holstein> click and drag
[21:39] <holstein> and F1 is bringing up a menu
[21:39] <holstein> with options
[21:39] <holstein> one option is 'remember screen position
[21:39] <Error404NotFound> i cant drag it
[21:39] <Error404NotFound> no matter where i click on it
[21:40] <Error404NotFound> i see that optiojn
[21:40] <Error404NotFound> option
[21:40] <Error404NotFound> still dont let me drag it anywhere
[21:42] <Error404NotFound> whoah
[21:42] <holstein> try holding alt
[21:42] <Error404NotFound> idk what i did but now i have 2 identical monitors on my screen
[21:42] <Error404NotFound> and i can move the new one
[21:43] <holstein> lol
[21:43] <holstein> i find that when i have the name turned off
[21:43] <holstein> i cant click and drag
[21:43] <holstein> but alt+click+drag works
[21:43] <Error404NotFound> ooh that works
[21:45]  * holstein is looking for a better theme
[21:45] <holstein> so far, i prefer conky
[21:45] <holstein> but, i can never stop messing with these things
[21:45] <holstein> too many options
[21:45] <Error404NotFound> theme for what lkol
[21:45] <holstein> i'll be playing with it this time next week ;)
[21:46] <Error404NotFound> i like classic mode and im using docky
[21:46] <Error404NotFound> nice osx feel to it now
[21:46] <holstein> http://muhri.net/
[21:47] <Error404NotFound> wish i knew how to install this crap lol
[21:48] <holstein> no translucent skins?
[21:48] <holstein> i guess it supports old hardware as-is
[21:48] <holstein> and i like that
[21:49] <Error404NotFound> i want to install the gkrellm skin
[21:49] <Error404NotFound> biut dont know how lol
[21:51] <Error404NotFound> how the hell do i install this crap holstein
[21:55] <holstein> Error404NotFound: you can extract it
[21:55] <holstein> how ever you want
[21:55] <holstein> right-click and extract
[21:55] <Error404NotFound> and then lol
[21:56] <holstein> then move it over into the themes dir
[21:56] <holstein> under the themes tab
[21:56] <holstein> it says where to put them
[21:56] <Error404NotFound> i see no theme tap
[21:56] <holstein>  /home/you/.gkrellm/themes
[21:56] <Error404NotFound> tab
[21:56] <holstein> something like that
[21:56] <holstein> e?
[21:56] <holstein> when you hit F1
[21:57] <holstein> you see gkrellm configuration
[21:57] <holstein> then
[21:57] <holstein> in there
[21:57] <holstein> there is a 'themes' area
[21:57] <holstein> under the 'info' tab
[21:57] <holstein> thats where the info is on where to get skins
[21:57] <holstein> and what to do with them
[21:58] <holstein> /home/YOU/.gkrellm2/themes/
[21:58] <holstein> ^ thats where you move them to
[21:59] <Error404NotFound> i dont see that path
[21:59] <holstein> ?
[22:00] <holstein> where are you looking
[22:00] <holstein> the "." hides it
[22:00] <holstein> SO, in nautilus
[22:00] <holstein> you have to ask to see hidden directories
[22:00] <holstein> control+h i think
[22:01] <Error404NotFound> how do i get nautilus again
[22:01] <holstein> places
[22:01] <holstein> and go somewhere
[22:01] <holstein> like "home"
[22:01] <holstein> nautilus is the default file manager
[22:01] <holstein> in ubuntu
[22:03] <Error404NotFound> nno clue
[22:03] <Error404NotFound> you told me to go to nautilis b4 and i found it now i cant
[22:04] <Error404NotFound> found it
[22:04] <holstein> right
[22:04] <holstein> just go to 'places'
[22:04] <holstein> and pick something
[22:04] <holstein> like 'home'
[22:04] <holstein> or 'documents'
[22:04] <holstein> thats nautlius*
[22:04] <holstein> the file manager
[22:17] <Error404NotFound> holstein how do i get krellm to start with ubuntu
[22:19] <holstein> in gnome
[22:19] <holstein> system - preferences - startup applications
[22:19] <holstein> you'll just make a custom one
[22:21] <Error404NotFound> i dont know the command
[22:23] <holstein> Error404NotFound: you can always open the terminal
[22:23] <holstein> and test
[22:24] <holstein> gkrellm should be it
[22:26] <Error404NotFound> you mean just type gkrellm into terminal?
[22:26] <holstein> right
[22:27] <Error404NotFound> command not found
[22:27] <holstein> Error404NotFound: type gkr
[22:27] <holstein> and hit tab
[22:27] <holstein> it should auto-complete to the proper command
[22:28] <holstein> again..
[22:28] <holstein> try and imagine that the command to start gkrellm exists
[22:28] <Error404NotFound> it did
[22:28] <holstein> and that you can obtain that information:)
[22:28] <Error404NotFound> well ima reboot
[22:28] <Error404NotFound> see if it starts
[22:28] <holstein> :)
[22:34] <Error404NotFound> ok that didnt work
[22:34] <holstein> look at the other entries
[22:34] <holstein> in the starup section
[22:35] <holstein> make sure you enter it properly
[22:35] <Error404NotFound> i didnt
[22:35] <holstein> you want to add i as a command
[22:35] <Error404NotFound> all i did was put gkrellm
[22:35] <holstein> add it*
[22:35] <holstein> Error404NotFound: right
[22:35] <holstein> you put gkrellm in as the command
[22:36] <Error404NotFound> didnt work
[22:36] <holstein> :/
[22:36] <holstein> right
[22:36] <eiriksvin>  hello, im trying to use Remote Desktop Veiwer, how do i set up my desktop to be veiwed by me from another computer?
[22:36] <holstein> its hasnt worked yet Error404NotFound *
[22:36] <Error404NotFound> use team viewer
[22:37] <holstein> eiriksvin: using?
[22:37] <holstein> remmina?
[22:37] <eiriksvin> Ubuntu Remote Desktop Viewer
[22:37] <eiriksvin> ?
[22:38] <eiriksvin> is there supposed to be a server for it or is that just a client?
[22:38] <Error404NotFound> http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/index.aspx
[22:38] <holstein> well, the server isnt running
[22:38] <Error404NotFound> ^ use that
[22:38] <holstein> teamviewer is a little overkill for a home network i think
[22:38] <Error404NotFound> i like it
[22:38] <holstein> and it pulls in some wine dependancies*
[22:39] <holstein> not that theres anything wrong with that
[22:39] <eiriksvin> well this sint a home network
[22:39] <holstein> eiriksvin: what is it?
[22:39] <Error404NotFound> wish there were logitech linux drivers for my mouse...
[22:39] <holstein> if you are trying to connect over the internet
[22:39] <holstein> then, team viewer is an easy way to get around firewall configruations
[22:40] <eiriksvin> im goiing to my sisters house and putting Ubuntu on her PC, i already did my moms... and she loves it, but i want to be able to admin either of them from my own home computer, should they run into any issues
[22:40] <Error404NotFound> id use team viewer then
[22:41] <holstein> yeah, id to teamviewer for that i think
[22:41] <eiriksvin> thank you
[22:41] <holstein> otherwise, you'll need to tunnel in through ports
[22:42] <eiriksvin> now, will that show their desktop from mine?
[22:43] <Error404NotFound> yep
[22:43] <holstein> i'll let Error404NotFound fill you in :)
[22:43] <Error404NotFound> will be like you are sitting at their computer
[22:43] <eiriksvin> great, its alot easier to troubleshoot problems from that!:)
[22:43] <holstein> ive used it from and to win lin and OSX*
[22:44] <holstein> yeah, except network problems eiriksvin :/
[22:44] <holstein> i set it up everywhere, and its nice when i can use it
[22:44] <Error404NotFound> there an anti virus program for this crap?
[22:44] <eiriksvin> notyeah, well we wont have any of those... well unless my wifi disconnects on some random fluke:)
[22:45] <holstein> Error404NotFound: what crap?
[22:45] <Error404NotFound> ubuntu
[22:45] <holstein> probably
[22:45] <Error404NotFound> do i need it?
[22:45] <holstein> thats for you to decide
[22:45] <holstein> AVG has a linux version AFAIK
[22:45] <eiriksvin> heh, i have been everywhere on the internet... not one virus yet:)
[22:46] <Error404NotFound> wonder if norton has av for linux
[22:46] <holstein> not that i see
[22:47] <holstein> its really a matter of user permissions
[22:47] <Error404NotFound> mcafee?
[22:47] <holstein> on windows, you are an administrator
[22:47] <holstein> the whole time
[22:47] <holstein> well, *usually
[22:47] <Error404NotFound> just curious i was told not much to worry about using linux
[22:47] <holstein> thats the typical setup
[22:47] <holstein> not so with linux
[22:48] <holstein> Error404NotFound: i would say ubuntu is still safer than a windows box running AV
[22:48] <holstein> its also still a matter of statistics
[22:48] <holstein> hackers dont want to bother with a small perentage of desktop base
 linux is my dream come true, heh after just a few days... i nuked Windows 7:)
[22:48] <Error404NotFound> wish i could find a decent browser
[22:48] <holstein> AND, its not as easy of a target*
[22:49] <Error404NotFound> i dual boot ubuntu and win 7
[22:50] <holstein> nice Error404NotFound
[22:50] <eiriksvin> yeah, so did i... but i wanted that extra 106 gb that Win7 sucked up... with hardly a thing on it
[22:50] <holstein> i was dual booting for a while
[22:50] <Error404NotFound> if i could game on linux id dump win 7
[22:50] <holstein> its coming
[22:50] <holstein> just be part of the solution
[22:51] <holstein> ask for linux versions
[22:51] <eiriksvin> i felt like i had just broke out of prison when i nuked win7, it felt sooo victorious!!
[22:51] <holstein> buy linux games
[22:51] <holstein> support it, and it will come
[22:52] <Error404NotFound> im just mad about playstation network
[22:52] <eiriksvin> next, my goal is to learn the programming... that way i can really be a Linux user, and a contributor
[22:53] <eiriksvin> i have 2 ps3s, its been an angry past 2 weeks
[22:53] <holstein> eiriksvin: thats awesome
[22:53] <Error404NotFound> more so for me
[22:53] <Error404NotFound> i spent easter in jail lol
[22:53] <eiriksvin> wow
 i just gotta learn where to begin
[22:54] <holstein> bash scripting was suggested to me
[22:54] <eiriksvin> shoot, u have seen how far i have come is what a little over a week
[22:54] <holstein> and i look at python from time to time
[22:54] <holstein> but, im not sure if i'll ever be that kind of contributor
[22:55] <holstein> python is relevant*
[22:55] <Error404NotFound> if at some poiont i think i can contribute i will..
[22:55] <Error404NotFound> erm
[22:55] <holstein> Error404NotFound: you did already
[22:55] <holstein> you suggested teamviewer to eiriksvin
[22:56] <eiriksvin> yeppers!!
[22:57] <eiriksvin> Thats the linux community, "For the people, by the people", not like Microsoft... "By the company, for the money"
[22:57] <holstein> eh
[22:57] <holstein> its just a different model
[22:57] <holstein> cannonical is a buisness too
[22:58] <holstein> buisnesses sell things
[22:58] <cfhansen> well, you should remember that linux =/= ubuntu
[22:58] <cfhansen> most linux distros have no corporate support
[22:58] <holstein> we just take direct advantage of cannonicals contributions
[22:58] <eiriksvin> yeah, they are... but if it werent for the contributions of people like us... Linux would not be around after the 90s
[22:58] <holstein> cfhansen: true
[22:58] <Error404NotFound> im thinking bout installin on my lappy
[22:59] <Error404NotFound> i was told to use suse on laptop though
[23:00] <holstein> yeah?
[23:00] <holstein> use what you want
[23:00] <holstein> the live CD's are a handy resource
[23:00] <Error404NotFound> i think ubuntu will worl just fine
[23:00] <Error404NotFound> not to mention i dont want to have to learn 2 diff os's
[23:00] <holstein> suse and buntu both have live medium
[23:00] <eiriksvin> remember when Red Hat used to be offered by custom cumputer companies... even the big ones could get it
[23:00] <holstein> media?
[23:00] <holstein> CD's*
[23:01] <Error404NotFound> i got a ?
[23:01] <Error404NotFound> can g parted give back space?
[23:01] <Error404NotFound> like if i split the partition to install ubuntu
[23:01] <eiriksvin> c yall later
[23:01] <holstein> eiriksvin: o/
[23:01] <Error404NotFound> transfer something from win 7 partition then delete win partition
[23:01] <holstein> Error404NotFound: you can try
[23:01] <holstein> i say yes
[23:02] <holstein> BUT, you should not do anything major like that withough backing up
[23:02] <holstein> without*
[23:02] <Error404NotFound> cuz i dont gave on my lappy  so no use for windows
[23:02] <Error404NotFound> game*
[23:04] <Pac_Man> where is the .bash_profile located, or better yet, how do i search for files?


[02:26] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>correct the behaviour of add-id when an id value is specified and multiple paths are specified (patch-41)
[02:32] !lilo:*! Channel notes.... PC hardware:  #hardware.pc .... Polish GNU/Linux users: #linux.pl .... thanks!
[02:55] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>extract the add_id heuristics from cmd-add-id.c, and move them into inv-ids.c. (patch-42)
[03:49] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>do not add ids to non existant paths. adjust arch_choose_id to return the chosen id, to allow success detection. (patch-43)
[05:34] <kiko> evening
[03:55] <kiko> morning
[05:35] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>prevent add-id on control dirs and files (patch-44)
[05:49] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>tweak permissions on the libneon configure.in (patch-45)
[06:28] <ddaa> lifeless: one datum against my process handling
[06:28] <ddaa> I had a busy hang when running the full pyarch test suite in twisted (make check-twisted-arch)
[06:29] <ddaa> Had to kill -9 the command.
[06:29] <ddaa> (well, did not try sigterm and sigquit, I admit)
[06:29] <ddaa> Of course it is not reproducible.
[06:31] <ddaa> I saw someone reporting a problem with tar.
[06:31] <ddaa> Hang in futex...
[06:31] <ddaa> elmo said it was a known-and-fixed tar bug.
[06:31] <ddaa> But giving a linker option to use the old libc code (not using futex) seemed to fix the problem.
[06:32] <ddaa> So, maybe it is a similar python or twisted bug...
[08:49] <ddaa> Another hang in the test suite.
[08:50] <ddaa> The totally weird thing is that the hangs in the test suite never happened before. The only difference of note I can think of is that buildbot is running at the same time.
[08:50] <ddaa> The process handling code itself has not been modified.
[08:51] <ddaa> Mh... in that case, sigterm is enough to kill the test suite program though.
[11:45] <BradB> woohoo, stub rocks
[11:45] <kiko> tell us something we don't know!
[11:45] <BradB> heh heh
[11:48] <BradB> kiko: is there a place where i assign a particular name a value for a certain project in ZCML? e.g. in malone, I want to define the global notification email address, in lieu of having a UI for that.
[11:48] <BradB> s,i assign,i can assign,
[11:49] <kiko> there is nowhere conventioned, I don't believe
[11:49] <BradB> hm


[01:41] <mup> PR snapd#9380 closed: tests: update to support nested kvm without reboots on UC20 <Run nested> <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9380>
[04:42] <mup> PR snapd#9388 closed: bootloader: lk cleanups <Simple 😃> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9388>
[05:01] <zyga> mvo: good morning
[05:02] <mvo> zyga: good morning
[05:02]  * zyga works while Lucy is sleeping
[05:06]  * mvo works while still sleeping (or that's how it feels)
[05:18] <zyga> haha, that
[05:18] <zyga> that's how I often feel too ;)
[06:09] <mborzecki> morning
[06:12] <mvo> good morning mborzecki
[06:12] <mborzecki> mvo: hey, i see you're working from 6am ;)
[06:13] <mvo> mborzecki: yeah, teaching the kids to make breakfast for themself ;)
[06:14] <mborzecki> mvo: nice, mine are too sleepy to wrap their heads around the morning routine, so it's on me to have them fed, packed and ready for school :P
[06:15] <mvo> mborzecki: yeah, usually I do this too but tried to shake up things today, I don't think it will last though :)
[06:15] <mvo> mborzecki: I addressed your feedback on the snap debug show-recovery-key
[06:15] <mborzecki> mvo: ok, let me take a look
[06:15] <mvo> mborzecki: but I'm not sure if it's woth a re-review yet before samuele had a look
[06:16] <mvo> mborzecki: otoh, hopefully except for naming this should be fine(?)
[06:16] <mborzecki> didn't i +1 it already?
[06:16]  * mvo looks again
[06:16] <mvo> mborzecki: I don't see anything on the pr
[06:16] <mvo> mborzecki: anything I can help you with?
[06:17] <mborzecki> mvo: hm so based on yday discussion, i'm putting that rpi recovery on hold, i've left notes in the doc
[06:17] <mup> PR snapd#9371 closed: o/snapstate: improve snapshot iteration <Created by stolowski> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9371>
[06:17] <mborzecki> mvo: now given that, anything else in the uc20 queue i should try to pick up now?
[06:20] <mvo> mborzecki: there is the robustness work for grub.cfg, i.e. if normal boot keeps failing even after a rollback to the known good state boot into recovery
[06:21] <mvo> mborzecki: or maybe poking at the snap run --experimental-gdbserver to see if we can make it no longer experimental
[06:23] <mborzecki> mvo: ok, let me look around a bit
[06:25] <mvo> ta
[06:26] <zyga> re
[06:26] <zyga> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9384 is green as master currently allows
[06:26] <mup> PR #9384: overlord: export and use snapd tools <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9384>
[06:28] <zyga> mborzecki: do you think we could have a call about ^^ to do a sanity check review?
[06:29] <zyga> mborzecki: code sharing / overview thing
[06:30] <zyga> mvo: I need to look after lucy still but I will start enabling r-a-a now
[06:30] <mvo> zyga: ta
[06:31] <mborzecki> zyga: yup
[06:33] <zyga> mborzecki: what time would work for you?
[06:33] <mborzecki> zyga: 9 sounds ok?
[06:35] <zyga> yeah
[06:35] <zyga> great, thank you
[06:56] <pstolowski> morning
[07:02] <zyga-mbp> mborzecki standup?
[07:02] <mborzecki> zyga-mbp: ok, joining
[07:45] <zyga> ok, lucy is with grandparents
[07:57] <pstolowski> mvo: hey, thanks for pushing tweaks to snapshots PR; i tweaked one of the comments in #9389
[07:57] <mup> PR #9389: o/snapshotstate: tweak comment regarding snapshot filename <Simple 😃> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9389>
[07:57] <mup> PR snapd#9389 opened: o/snapshotstate: tweak comment regarding snapshot filename <Simple 😃> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9389>
[07:58] <mvo> pstolowski: nice! I added skip-spread
[08:42] <mup> PR snapd#9390 opened: boot: fix debug bootloader variables dump on UC20 systems <Simple 😃> <UC20> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9390>
[08:44] <mborzecki> mvo: trivial fix ^^
[08:44] <mvo> mborzecki: \o/ in a meeting but will see what I can do
[08:44] <mborzecki> mvo: no rush
[08:50] <zyga> mborzecki: I had a look but I'm so out of the uc20 loop I cannot review that
[08:51] <mborzecki> zyga: no worries
[09:00] <mvo> mborzecki: looks good! would it make sense to have a spread test on core20 for that? just a smoke test basicly?
[09:02] <pstolowski> hmm, something broke on 20.10 in preseeding test: /tmp/snapd-preseed/usr/lib/snapd/snapd: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.32' not found (required by /tmp/snapd-preseed/usr/lib/snapd/snapd)
[09:03] <pstolowski> do we depend on libc?
[09:05] <zyga> oh
[09:05] <zyga> yes
[09:05] <zyga> we might be depending on libc as we built on 20.10
[09:06] <zyga> and then we put this into an environment with older libraries
[09:09] <mborzecki> pff
[09:09] <zyga> I've never done this but we can probably pick a fixed symbol version somehow
[09:12] <zyga> pstolowski: if this is a blocker I can look and try to help
[09:13] <zyga> I'm enabling r-a-a and changing tests to cope
[09:18] <pstolowski> zyga: r-a-a?
[09:18] <zyga> refresh app awarenes
[09:18] <zyga> awareness
[09:18] <mborzecki> hmm tumbleweed still fails
[09:18] <zyga> mborzecki: yeah, pretty annoying - I plan to look at that later today
[09:18] <pstolowski> zyga: i think we don't require 20.10 for merging? in that sense it's not a blocker, but we need fix it
[09:18] <zyga> to at least see what crashes
[09:19] <zyga> pstolowski: correct
[09:19] <pstolowski> zyga: i'm not sure where to start with this, if you can help or advise that would be appreciated
[09:19] <zyga> pstolowski: but may require changes to the build system
[09:19] <mborzecki> zyga: we should probably file a bug report (not that anyone will look at it, but still)
[09:19] <zyga> pstolowski: we should build snapd snap once and repackage from a 16.04 build
[09:19] <zyga> pstolowski: or learn the linker scripts
[09:19] <zyga> but with go it could be tricky
[09:22] <zyga> wife is back,one sec
[09:41] <zyga> mborzecki: do you think we can run into new issues with abi and exported host tools?
[09:44] <mborzecki> zyga: snapd snap is built on xenial (so old glibc), and if not reexecing, then relevant host tools are built statically
[09:44] <zyga> mborzecki: right, I'm thinking about fedora
[09:45] <zyga> fedora has explicitly disabled re-exec
[09:45] <zyga> now fedora's snap-exec will be used
[09:45] <zyga> it's linked statically
[09:45] <zyga> but snap-confine is only partially static
[09:45] <zyga> rigth?
[09:45] <zyga> we cannot avoid udev
[09:46] <zyga> unless we re-architect a small part of s-c to collect udev meta-data using ABI-independent methods
[09:47] <zyga> mborzecki: to support cgroup2 we could re-think how we look at udev data
[09:48] <zyga> if snapd looks at udev, it's much much easier to have entirely static snap-confine
[09:48] <mup> PR snapd#9391 opened: [RFC] o/assertstate: introduce ValidationTrackingKey/ValidationSetTracking and basic methods <validation-sets :white_check_mark:> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9391>
[09:48] <zyga> or perhaps there must be a new tool, snap-udev
[09:48] <zyga> which always runs on the host
[09:48] <zyga> and exposes that meta-data in a way that we can read from a fixed snap-confie
[09:48] <zyga> *confine
[09:51] <zyga> looking at r-a-a not that many tests are affected
[09:51] <zyga> but a few require more work
[09:56] <pstolowski> pedronis: i pushed first validation-set PR
[10:01] <pedronis> pstolowski: thx
[10:02] <pedronis> pstolowski: I might not get to it today though (lots of meetings)
[10:03] <pstolowski> pedronis: np. just a high-level look (at the 2 new structs would be good for starters)
[10:45] <pstolowski> 020-09-22T08:29:11.1929785Z 2020-09-22 08:29:11 Failed tasks: 1
[10:45] <pstolowski> 2020-09-22T08:29:11.1979453Z     - google:ubuntu-16.04-64:tests/main/lxd:snapd_cgroup_both
[10:45] <pstolowski> i think we need to disable more of that
[10:48] <mup> PR snapd#9389 closed: o/snapshotstate: tweak comment regarding snapshot filename <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9389>
[11:08] <mup> PR snapd#9392 opened: tests: disable part of the lxd test completely on 16.04 <⚠ Critical> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9392>
[11:11] <zyga> pstolowski: reviewed
[11:12] <pstolowski> ty
[11:23] <mup> PR snapd#9393 opened:  spread: drop vendor from the packed project archive <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9393>
[11:25] <mborzecki> ok, back to zyga's branch
[11:25] <zyga> oh thanks!
[11:25] <zyga> btw
[11:25] <zyga> just made a tiny tweak to install
[11:25] <zyga> how does this look like:
[11:25] <zyga> zyga@kaveri:~/go/src/github.com/snapcore/snapd/cmd/snap$ ./snap install
[11:25] <zyga> error: which snap would you like to install?
[11:25] <zyga> original message was something technical about zero snaps
[11:30] <pedronis> I don't think it explains what to do
[11:31] <pedronis> also the tone doesn't match almost any of our other messages
[11:36] <pedronis> we are not very consistent atm, and yes the curent message is not great either: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Qfh9FGkwHK/
[11:46] <zyga> pedronis: fair enough, I just wanted to try making it different
[11:46] <pedronis> maybe degville has input on this
[11:50] <degville> zyga / pedronis: I totally agree it needs to be improved. Maybe something more like help output: error: you need to specify one or more snaps to install. See snap help install.
[11:52] <pedronis> yes, that is more like some other of our main commands
[12:06] <zyga> degville: I can use that message, I'll send a PR later
[12:28] <zyga> pedronis: good call to check what remove says in this case!
[12:35] <zyga> mvo: first tests passing with r-a-a enabled :)
[12:35] <zyga> (that were failing before)
[12:35] <mvo> zyganice
[12:36] <mvo> zyga nice
[12:36] <zyganice> ;D\
[12:38] <mup> PR snapd#9392 closed: tests: disable part of the lxd test completely on 16.04 <⚠ Critical> <Created by stolowski> <Merged by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9392>
[13:09] <mup> Issue core18#171 opened: core18 first login experience: out-of-the-blue reboot <Created by panlinux> <https://github.com/snapcore/core18/issues/171>
[13:34] <ogra> abeato, is it known that "bluez.hcitool lescan" does not work ? (weem there is a capability missing in the apparmor profile)
[13:34] <ogra> s/weem/seems/
[13:34]  * ogra glares at his fingers
[13:34] <ogra> gra@stream:~$ sudo bluez.hcitool lescan --duplicates
[13:34] <ogra> Set scan parameters failed: Operation not permitted
[13:34] <ogra> ...
[13:34] <ogra> ogra@stream:~$ dmesg | tail -1
[13:34] <ogra> [175894.306074] audit: type=1400 audit(1600781361.500:106😞 apparmor="DENIED" operation="capable" profile="snap.bluez.hcitool" pid=3828 comm="hcitool" capability=13  capname="net_raw"
[13:35] <abeato> ogra, I don't think I've tried lescan before, so yes, probably we need more permissions in the interface
[13:36] <ogra> yeah ... bluez has everything but home connected here ...
[13:37] <ogra> hmm, interesting:
[13:37] <ogra> Suggestions:
[13:37] <ogra> * adjust program to not require 'CAP_NET_RAW' (see 'man 7 capabilities')
[13:37] <ogra> * add one of 'firewall-control, network-control, network-observe' to 'plugs'
[13:37] <ogra> * do nothing if program otherwise works properly
[13:37] <ogra> network-control is definitely connected ...
[14:19] <zyga> back from lunch
[15:02] <pstolowski> zyga: https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1895291 is another namespace thing that looks familiar, do you recall a relevant bug where this could be linked to (if applicable)?
[15:02] <mup> Bug #1895291: Error on content disconnect in autopkgtests <snapd:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1895291>
[15:02] <zyga> mmm
[15:03] <zyga> looking
[15:03] <zyga> this was reported relatively recently
[15:03] <zyga> hmm
[15:03] <zyga> hmm
[15:04] <zyga> pstolowski: no idea
[15:11]  * cachio lunch
[15:46]  * zyga finally solved a blocker
[15:46] <zyga> I need coffee
[15:46] <zyga> or a nap
[15:47]  * genii puts on a fresh pot of coffee
[15:58]  * zyga runs all spread tests for 16.04 and goes for a coffee
[15:58] <zyga> and a small break
[15:58] <zyga> the hard part is done, now for some boring tweaks to a few tests
[16:28] <zyga> drat
[16:28] <zyga> I didn't connect the usb3.0 front panel connector
[16:34] <mup> PR snapd#9394 opened: update-pot: ignore .go files inside .git when running xgettext-go <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9394>
[17:20] <mup> PR snapd#9395 opened:  o/snapstate/check_snap_test.go: mock osutil.Find{U,G}id to avoid bug in test <Bug> <Test Robustness> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9395>
[17:32] <ijohnson> jdstrand: this is not high priority, but I opened https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9396 and marked it blocked until you or maybe Emilia (who is not in the channel currently I notice) can take a look at it and confirm my understanding about the review-tools component as well
[17:32] <mup> PR #9396: snapstate/check_snap: add snap_docker to shared system-usernames <Needs security review> <⛔ Blocked> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9396>
[17:35] <mup> PR snapd#9394 closed: update-pot: ignore .go files inside .git when running xgettext-go <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by anonymouse64> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9394>
[17:35] <mup> PR snapd#9396 opened: snapstate/check_snap: add snap_docker to shared system-usernames <Needs security review> <⛔ Blocked> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9396>
[17:38] <mup> PR snapcraft#3293 opened: project loader: install dirmngr prior to configuring package repositories <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3293>
[17:41] <jdstrand> ijohnson|lunch: whoa, I'm shocked at this development :)
[17:43] <mup> PR snapcraft#3293 closed: project loader: install dirmngr prior to configuring package repositories <Created by cjp256> <Closed by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3293>
[17:43] <mup> PR snapcraft#3294 opened: project loader: install dirmngr prior to configuring package repositories <Created by cjp256> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3294>
[17:44] <jdstrand> ijohnson|lunch: so, I have a number of questions. I've added it to my todo. not sure when I'll have time to respond to the extent I would like, but I can be thinking about it in the background
[17:50] <ijohnson> jdstrand: :-) happy to answer any questions you might have, it's atm very specific to the docker case, but came about as a result of conversations just this morning
[18:09] <jdstrand> ijohnson: ack, I commented at a high level. emitorino can you add a card to trello in the snappy lane to review this PR? it should be either amurray, you or me to do that
[18:10] <jdstrand> emitorino: for simplicity, lets have a checklist that is to review the PR and to adjust the review-tools
[18:13] <ijohnson> jdstrand: thanks for the comment, yes that sounds good but unfortunately the docker use case is a bit more complicated than the udev case since there are no devices at play, just the dockerd socket, and my comment in the PR was more about the snapd API side of things that results in calling (eventually) `sudo adduser <user> snap_docker` but you are right there may be some overlap
[18:13] <ijohnson> this is for a brand store customer who is already using snapd-control to create users
[18:14] <ijohnson> but yes anyways can be discussed more in depth when someone gets a chance to look at the pr more in depth, I will respond to the pr comment as well for posterity
[18:14] <pedronis> ijohnson: notice that there's a skipped test as well related to that code, because it would fail on a system that already the user, maybe it's one you fixed?
[18:15] <ijohnson> pedronis: yes I fixed that test
[18:15] <ijohnson> pedronis: I broke out that into a separate pr
[18:16] <jdstrand> ijohnson: I wasn't saying there were devices in play for docker, just that when you start adding users to groups/etc, that is something that device access would also be doing, so considering that in the future design makes sense
[18:16] <ijohnson> yes good point
[18:19] <ijohnson> cachio: this morning in SU you said that you fixed the tumbleweed image in gce, but I still see failures preparing opensuse tumbleweed, for example see this one from this afternoon: https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9395/checks?check_run_id=1150814939
[18:19] <mup> PR #9395:  o/snapstate/check_snap_test.go: mock osutil.Find{U,G}id to avoid bug in test <Bug> <Test Robustness> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9395>
[18:22] <emitorino> ack jdstrand !
[18:29] <cachio> ijohnson, well, fixed one issue but not that one
[18:29] <cachio> this is the kernel issue which still not fixed
[18:29] <jdstrand> emitorino: thanks. we could get started on the snap_docker override if desired to go ahead of the PR landing. we can discuss that outside of this channel if you like
[18:30] <emitorino> sure jdstrand
[18:31] <cachio> ijohnson, I was not able to boot tumbleweed last week
[18:31] <ijohnson> cachio: ah so there were multiple tumbleweed issues you mean then?
[18:32] <cachio> ijohnson, yes, now that's fixed, what I can do now is to skip the kernel which produces this problem
[18:32] <cachio> I'll do that today
[18:32] <cachio> after I push the chagne for nested
[18:32] <ijohnson> I se
[18:32] <ijohnson> e
[18:37] <cachio> ijohnson, the weird part is that the nightly suite worked on tumbleweed https://travis-ci.org/github/snapcore/spread-cron/builds/729180440#L3715
[18:37] <ijohnson> huh
[18:37] <cachio> with the change I did yesterday
[18:37] <cachio> ijohnson, so, now I don't know
[18:38] <ijohnson> yeah I dunno, we probably need somebody like zygmunt to take a look who knows more about tumbleweed
[18:38] <cachio> ijohnson, yes, agree
[18:50] <mup> PR snapd#9397 opened: tests/nested: misc robustness fixes <Run nested> <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9397>
[19:21] <cachio> zyga, ijohnson when you have a time could you please take a look to #9398
[19:21] <mup> PR #9398: tests: split the nested helper in 2 parts <Run nested> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9398>
[19:22] <ijohnson> cachio: sure probably not today though for me
[19:22] <cachio> ijohnson, is a simple change but modifies everything in nested
[19:23] <cachio> ijohnson, zyga when you review that please leave extra modifications for following pr, so I dont have to spend to much time doing manual merge
[19:24] <cachio> I'll collect all the improvements and apply them in another PR
[19:25] <mup> PR snapd#9398 opened: tests: split the nested helper in 2 parts <Run nested> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9398>
[19:37] <ijohnson> tianon: hey regarding the docker snap being maintained on LP, maybe you could create a new github repo for it, and setup snapcraft.io/build to build the snap for you instead of using LP? since you're not using tracks for the docker snap at all anymore, there's no advantage to use lp anymore really
[20:13]  * zyga checks on results and goes to bed
[20:13] <zyga> r-a-a has some interesting container consequences
[20:14] <zyga> I've updated a few tests and running another pass
[20:14] <zyga> I'll deal with containers tomorrow
[20:22]  * cachio afk a bit
[20:34] <tianon> ijohnson: oh interesting, that sounds like a good idea
[20:39] <ijohnson> tianon: that may make it easier to maintain as well as accept contributions :-)
[20:40] <tianon> ijohnson: for sure, launchpad's usability and friendliness is ... a barrier 😅
[20:41] <tianon> ijohnson: maybe we should just ressurect https://github.com/docker-snap :)
[20:42] <tianon> we still share history with https://github.com/docker-snap/docker, can probably just push there and have things kinda work, although not sure whether anything external is attached; should probably audit settings first
[20:44] <tianon> issues there are outdated enough it's probably worth archiving though
[20:49] <ijohnson> tianon: I see you created https://github.com/docker-snap/docker-snap :-)
[20:49] <ijohnson> lgtm, thanks for that
[20:49] <tianon> yep :D
[20:49] <tianon> gonna pull that PR in Soon(tm)
[20:50] <ijohnson> nice
[20:53] <tianon> now the conundrum is that I don't/can't trust snapcraft.io with access to my GitHub auth :P (probably gonna make a dummy account to do the linking)
[20:53] <ijohnson> tianon: you could also adjust the contact link for the snap to point to this github repo too :-D
[20:53] <tianon> yep, that's the plan :)
[20:54] <tianon> maybe we'll get github issues and I'll actually see them O:)
[20:58] <Eighth_Doctor> mborzecki, zyga: have you folks seen https://github.com/containers/udica?
[20:58] <Eighth_Doctor> it seems broadly similar to what we were talking about a couple of years ago for how snapd would do SELinux policies to implement snap security rules
[21:05] <tianon> (looks like this has been discussed before, but not from the specific angle of not allowing snapcraft.io admin access to *all* my GitHub orgs, most of which aren't actually mine, so I added a necropost /o\  https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/build-snapcraft-io-support-webhook-build-trigger/8640/16?u=tianon)
[21:07] <ijohnson> tianon: one thing you could try is to still have the snap build recipes on LP, but trigger the LP snap build recipe from something like travis or github actions like this: https://github.com/siggiskulason/edgex-launchpad-build-action/blob/master/action.yml
[21:08] <ijohnson> tianon: obviously you wouldn't use the edgexfoundry snap there, but you could adjust the launchpadlib python to use the docker snap instead as well as add all the other architectures that are needed for the docker snap
[21:09] <tianon> ijohnson: that makes sense, but snapcraft.io/build is the new shiny and I don't have to hunt for the right URL when I use it O:)
[21:09] <ijohnson> tianon: haha yes it is the shiny thing that is true
[21:09] <tianon> ijohnson: so I think I'll keep jumping through GitHub hoops (I have an account I think I can use)
[21:09] <ijohnson> 👍
[21:09] <tianon> ijohnson: snapcraft.io/build can do all the same arches, right?
[21:09] <ijohnson> tianon: yes
[21:09] <ijohnson> it just can't do tracks
[21:10] <tianon> perf
[21:30] <tianon> looks like the main lost feature is in-progress build logs, but I'll just learn to be more patient :)
[23:01] <mup> PR snapd#9399 opened: snap help output refresh <Created by degville> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9399>