[00:04] <silverarrow> zumodoki, small?
[00:04] <silverarrow> simple you mean
[00:04] <silverarrow> yes it is
[00:05] <silverarrow> compared to mountain lion with all kinds of flash
[00:05] <silverarrow> or windows 7 even
[00:05] <silverarrow> not really
[00:05] <silverarrow> zumodoki, lubuntu is kept simple with out the flashy stuff deliberately
[00:06] <kanliot> he was talking about wiki
[00:06] <silverarrow> oh I see
[00:06] <silverarrow> lol
[00:06] <silverarrow> have a good night
[00:06] <silverarrow> I need to be off
[00:06] <kanliot> c u
[00:07] <silverarrow> i shall have to look further into burner alternative tomorrow
[00:07] <silverarrow> :-)
[01:00] <zumodoki> Anyone have peppermint a try?
[01:00] <holstein> peppermintOS? i have used it often
[01:02] <zumodoki> How do you find it over lubuntu?
[01:03] <holstein> similar.. peppermint has a few custom tools that are nice
[01:03] <holstein> both have live CD's.. try them both for yourself
[01:04] <zumodoki> I like that lubuntu is lite, But if I stick it infront of say my mum, I feels shell sturrgle to use it
[01:04] <zumodoki> I need something lite and is still nice on the eyes.
[01:05] <zumodoki> PeppermintOS seems to fit that, However in peppermint 3 the screenshots suggest its another desktop enviroment now
[01:05] <holstein> your mum needs what she is comfortable with.. mum will have to learn some OS
[01:06] <holstein> zumodoki: they are both LXDE.. i would expect mum to have a similar experience on both
[01:06] <zumodoki> Peppermint 3
[01:06] <zumodoki> javascript:;
[01:07] <zumodoki> http://peppermintos.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/3screen_two.png
[01:07] <zumodoki> Isnt that the same enviroment mint is using?
[01:07] <holstein> zumodoki: peppermint and lubuntu both use LXDE
[01:08] <zumodoki> I know that, But the menu in the screenshot is what im used to seing on mint, Which isnt LXDE based.
[01:08] <holstein> zumodoki: they customize
[01:09] <holstein> zumodoki: you can add a menu like that to anything... you can try them all live
[01:09] <zumodoki> Its the visual eye candy I think will make the machine perfect.
[01:10] <holstein> zumodoki: sure, but there really i no eye candy, its just a different implementation of LXDE
[01:10] <zumodoki> It looks visually nicer than lubuntu by default. It may be the selling point I need.
[01:10] <holstein> zumodoki: i think both are a nice balance of performance and functionality...
[01:10] <zumodoki> Unless you have suggestions on installing that.,
[01:11] <holstein> zumodoki: "visually nicer" is a matter of opinion, and you can try both from a live CD and see exactly what is going on
[01:11] <holstein> zumodoki: my suggestion is that.. try them both live
[01:11] <zumodoki> I need performance, but it if looks "ugly" I can't convince someone to use it.
[01:11] <zumodoki> lubuntu I have installed. peppermint seems to come witha  bunch of stuff id never use.
[01:11] <holstein> zumodoki: sure, but i dont think lubuntu looks ugly.. some prefer the clean UI
[01:12] <zumodoki> Whatever peppermintos has going on, I think is a nice clean simple UI
[01:12] <holstein> sure, and thats the goal, and i think they delivered quite well
[01:12] <zumodoki> lubuntu by default I feel it looks to small
[01:12] <holstein> looks to small?
[01:13] <holstein> you mean, the text is too small?
[01:14] <zumodoki> I suppose
[01:15] <zumodoki> Hard to explain
[01:15] <holstein> zumodoki: you suppose the text is too small?
[01:15] <holstein> zumodoki: you can find the text too small... its not a problem.. its also not a problem to increase the text size
[01:15] <holstein> nor, is it a problem to prefer the default installation of peppermint
[01:17] <zumodoki> Would it be possible to stip out the stuff from peppermint I dont want before install? I.E so if I run the disk its missing the stuff like amsn
[01:18] <holstein> zumodoki: all of this software is open, so anything is possible... cant imagine it would matter that much though
[01:19] <holstein> both iso's sizes are pretty lean by today's standards
[01:19] <zumodoki> If im installing it on a few machine, I dont want to have to go and remove the same programs on 5 installs.
[01:21] <holstein> zumodoki: you can make your own OS, your own live CD.. you can do one install, strip it down, and clone that one
[01:21] <holstein> you can make a script that would remove whatever you like after installing
[04:05] <nessmuk> I'm trying to find an iso for Lubuntu 10.04....not on their home site or torrent so far. Anyone here can help me?
[04:06] <Unit193> Why do you want 10.04?
[04:14] <Unit193> nessmuk: ^
[04:22] <bioterror> yeah
[04:22] <bioterror> why would you want 10.04
[04:22] <bioterror> it's so outdated what comes to LXDE components
[04:25] <nessmuk> first because the instability in the new installer in 10.10 gave me total grief. Second, I'm just playing with small distros on an old Toshiba Satellita laptop. Pre-usb bootable, 192Meg Ram 400mhz chip. I wanted to see if Lubuntu is that much faster than Xubuntu. Trying guadelinux-mini next
[04:27] <Unit193> 10.10 is in end of life, so 12.04 would be the one to try, and is AntiX as well as SliTaz on that list? :D
[04:28] <bioterror> those distros are huge
[04:28] <bioterror> I demand Tiny Core on that list too
[04:28] <bioterror> as it's the smallest
[04:36] <nessmuk> end of life is no concern....I'm just PO'd that the links on lubuntu's site for 10,04 don't GO to that iso...it goes to 10.10
[04:37] <nessmuk> if I just wanted tiny, I'd use damnsmalllinux....which I've used a lot. Just want to see how 10.04 runs on this old laptop
[04:38] <Unit193> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/PreviousReleases#A10.04
[04:40] <nessmuk> my bad! missed that one. As they say in Jazz....Sanctuary Macho!
[06:46] <rbaskers> hi
[06:50] <rbaskers> can someone help
[06:51] <bioterror> we always try to help with what know and can
[06:51] <bioterror> +we
[06:51] <rbaskers> i am not very experienced with linux
[06:51] <rbaskers> so its an easy question
[06:52] <rbaskers> i downloaded playonlinux, i have extracted it to my desktop, now what?
[06:53] <rbaskers> i presume i open lxterminal
[06:53] <rbaskers> navigate to desktop
[06:54] <bioterror> http://www.playonlinux.com/en/download.html
[06:54] <bioterror> there's commands for ubuntu
[06:55] <bioterror> dont take the deb
[06:55] <bioterror> just use the reposotiry
[06:55] <bioterror> repository
[06:55] <bioterror> then. http://www.playonlinux.com/en/manual.html
[06:56] <rbaskers> i already have installed an older version of playonlinux via software centre
[06:56] <rbaskers> but down the bottom is says a newer version is available
[06:56] <bioterror> and you should use the repository
[06:57] <bioterror> as it's easier to maintain
[06:57] <rbaskers> sorry what is that ?
[06:57] <bioterror> !repository
[06:57] <rbaskers> sry i have used windows my whole life
[06:57] <rbaskers> reading now
[06:58] <bioterror> I have too!
[06:58] <jokerdino> hey guys. anyone on 12.10?
[06:59] <jokerdino> bug fix to bug #1035607 doesn't seem to work fine.
[06:59] <bioterror> nope, becouse lack of PAE
[06:59] <bioterror> jokerdino, and your lubuntu-artwork is which version?
[07:00] <jokerdino> 0.30
[07:00] <bioterror> there you go
[07:00] <jokerdino> oops
[07:00] <bioterror> !patience
[07:00] <bioterror> ;)
[07:00] <jokerdino> :D
[07:01] <bioterror> takes a while to move to repos ;)
[07:01] <jokerdino> i'll check back in a while. thanks much.
[07:01] <bioterror> have you updated your system already?
[07:01] <jokerdino> yeah. i have to dist-upgrade now
[07:01] <jokerdino> one sec.
[07:02] <jokerdino> ok 0.31 fixes the bug :-)
[10:42] <Timo_> Hi, for some reason I always need approval on the Lubuntu-mailing, while I am registered to the mailing list :(
[11:13] <kanliot> timo_ ask on the mailing list
[11:13] <Timo_> alright
[11:14] <kanliot> also , be sure and introduce yourself
[11:14] <kanliot> how long you've used lubuntu
[11:14] <kanliot> and what your role on the team is
[11:14] <bioterror> quite long
[11:14] <bioterror> old face
[11:14] <kanliot> oh
[11:15] <kanliot> didn't know :)
[11:15] <Timo_> :D
[11:15] <Timo_> I did use the list for some time, but now I started using daily digest, because it was spamming me a bit :P
[11:15] <bioterror> I stopped reading mailing lists when they changed lubuntu-desktop to something else
[11:16] <bioterror> and it was full of emotional mails
[11:16] <Timo_> That's the negative side of active mailing lists :p
[11:16] <bioterror> I rather spend my time and mobiles bandwith for something else than all that emo stuff
[11:16] <Timo_> hahaha :d
[11:17] <Timo_> I just read the subjects, and if it sounds interesting, I read it :p
[11:17] <kanliot> i might be the worst person on the mailing list, IMHO
[11:17] <bioterror> quite many times I was "ooohhh new email!" and when I checked it, it was mostly "you dont like me and my adhd acting at all! why you're all like that?"
[11:17] <Timo_> lol :D
[11:20] <kanliot> really i don't see how people put up with me
[11:21] <Timo_> mm I just bought the Humble Bundle, it always contains some nice games :D
[11:21] <kanliot> i'm as annoying as lxpanel
[11:21] <Timo_> oh, it's been some time ago I abandoned LXpanel
[11:21] <Timo_> AWN here :P
[11:21] <kanliot> lol
[11:21] <Timo_> AWN+DockbarX :D
[11:23] <kanliot> don't know anything about either one
[11:23] <kanliot> qwertyuiop
[11:23] <kanliot> 321`qWADSEFRGTH
[11:23] <kanliot> sorry
[11:23] <kanliot> needed to clean my keyboard
[11:24] <kanliot> seriously
[11:27] <Timo_> np
[11:27] <Timo_> so, kanliot, where are you from?
[11:28] <kanliot> usa: ohio and tennessee
[11:28] <kanliot> u?
[11:29] <kanliot> some people say that instead of tennehio person i loook more pennslytucky
[11:29] <kanliot> bad joke for aussies
[11:32] <kanliot> i need something at the store, brb
[12:45] <silverarrow> hi
[12:46] <Timo_> hi
[12:46] <silverarrow> do you know how to report on testing packages?
[12:46] <silverarrow> I am still in 12.04 but have built the 1.0.6 (testing) packages locally
[12:48] <smartboyhw> Use packages.qa.ubuntu.com
[13:45] <silverarrow> Phiscribe,
[15:47] <silverarrow> hi
[15:48] <silverarrow> any good burner for powerpc?
[15:48] <holstein> silverarrow: you mean, cd type media burner?
[15:48] <holstein> i would think most packages would be in the repos for that
[15:49] <silverarrow> cd, and iso at least, data
[15:49] <holstein> silverarrow: i heard about something on a podcast that made me think of you.. https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/1303/
[15:49] <silverarrow> xfburn could potentially be good
[15:49] <silverarrow> or rather become
[15:49] <silverarrow> cool
[15:49] <holstein> silverarrow: i was wondering if it could just strip the audio out when it converts mp4 to mp3 or whatever audio
[15:49] <silverarrow> tanks
[15:50] <holstein> silverarrow: though i havent used PPC in a while, i would expect xfburn and brasero and whatever else to just be in the repos
[15:50] <silverarrow> oh, yes I am still on that one
[15:51] <silverarrow> xfburn is default but crashes
[15:51] <holstein> i would start it from the terminal and see if there is any helpful output
[15:51] <silverarrow> it crashes as soon as I add a track to the adio project
[15:54] <silverarrow> paste.ubuntu.com/1159242
[15:55] <holstein> maybe you dont have the proper codecs installed...
[15:56] <silverarrow> paste.ubuntu.com/115244
[15:56] <silverarrow> how am I suppose to know what they  are?
[15:57] <silverarrow> weird, because I have installed just about every plugin and lib there is
[15:57] <holstein> silverarrow: i usuallu just search.. its just an idea anyways... you can try another burner, and try another type of audio file
[15:58] <silverarrow> I could
[15:58] <silverarrow> brasero is an option
[15:58] <silverarrow> it has been good in the past
[15:59] <holstein> silverarrow: should take a few seconds to install and test.. then you'll know if its xfburn or codecs
[16:15] <silverarrow> brassero seems to work
[16:15] <silverarrow> attempting burn now
[16:15] <silverarrow> normalizing tracks...
[16:20] <silverarrow> holstein, and it plays in cd player
[16:20] <silverarrow> !!
[16:20] <silverarrow> I need a better stereo
[17:06] <holstein> silverarrow: could be something to do with the PPC build of xfburn... could be a very small group supporting those packages
[17:06] <holstein> i think most PPC users are doing the server thing with them...
[17:08] <silverarrow> true
[17:09] <holstein> silverarrow: not that that is a valid excuse for a bug... just a resonable explanation
[17:09] <silverarrow> there are a few who keeps up their G4 laptops though
[17:09] <holstein> from what i read, sometime after 10.04 PPC went "unofficial".. whatever that means
[17:09] <silverarrow> and some hold on the top model 64bit G5s, those where very expensive at a time
[17:10] <silverarrow> some of the G5s are upgradable
[17:11] <silverarrow> there are loads of powerpc still in use
[17:11] <silverarrow> however, they are not that good anymore with some stuff
[17:11] <silverarrow> linux could improve those areas easily
[17:12] <holstein> well, loads of any linux user is a minority.. and the #'s dont matter.. if its unofficial, its unsupported, officially
[17:12] <silverarrow> but with debian bugs seeping in to every related distro linux get a bad reputation for the G3, 4 and 5
[17:13] <holstein> yeah, in the end it likely is better to just go and help and support upstream
[17:13] <silverarrow> ppc is actually suported, just not assigned that much attention
[17:14] <holstein> silverarrow: i read it was community supported
[17:14] <silverarrow> debian still support ppc fully and officially
[17:14] <holstein> PowerPC was an officially supported architecture for Ubuntu between versions 4.10 and 6.10. From 7.04 onwards it is a community supported port
[17:14] <holstein> thats via https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPC
[17:15] <holstein> i thought the 9.10 i had tried was official though
[17:15] <silverarrow> though what happens in practicality is another story, I think it has to do with feedback info
[17:15] <silverarrow> I filed a separate bug for the 1.0.6 packages, and it was deleted from launchpad
[17:15] <holstein> silverarrow: that statement and stance on the wiki means bascially it may be buggy, and theres not much officially done about it
[17:16] <silverarrow> I already had filed a bug on the 1.05 package, which I spent 14 days on getting to work lol
[17:16] <holstein> silverarrow: thats the kind of community support that really helps though
[17:16] <silverarrow> yeah, unfortunately really
[17:17] <silverarrow> and I spent two nights in a row with 1.0.6 packages
[17:17] <holstein> eh... you cant expect the higer-ups to support legacy hardware forever.. i think it was a necessary call, and it makes me a little sad
[17:17] <silverarrow> they should, lol
[17:18] <bioterror> why they should?
[17:18] <bioterror> do you pay them for supporting your obsolete hardware?
[17:18] <silverarrow> the bugs are not that hard to fix if the right person get to work on it
[17:18] <holstein> well, to be clear, you can.. you can always build a version that supports whatever you like
[17:18] <holstein> but, the focus of ubuntu is not to support legacy hardware
[17:18] <silverarrow> who pays them to support newer hardware then?
[17:19] <silverarrow> I suppose debian is the source anyhow
[17:19] <holstein> silverarrow: i think the idea is, someone might.. and the "mainstream" idea of ubuntu is to be for newer hardware
[17:19] <silverarrow> yes, it has to be for the newer hardwre
[17:19] <silverarrow> I still like the old ibook though
[17:19] <holstein> again, doesnt have to be a deal breaker.. you might find a friendlier out of the box solution for legacy hardware though
[17:20] <holstein> and you can always customize to your liking
[17:20] <bioterror> silverarrow, people buys newer hardware to play with
[17:20] <bioterror> that's normal cycle
[17:21] <bioterror> and some people might get newer hardware as they are ment to make drivers and software for it
[17:21] <bioterror> like Raspberry Pi for example, they have given away prototype to get it running and working
[17:21] <silverarrow> ppc is just a bit out of luck
[17:21] <bioterror> PPC is dead
[17:21] <silverarrow> any old intel hardware is supported
[17:22] <holstein> well, PPC is not being made anymore
[17:22] <silverarrow> except the IBM stuff
[17:22] <bioterror> PPC was doomed when Apple said during 2005 "we are now going to make x86 computers"
[17:22] <bioterror> silverarrow, IBM stuff is Power
[17:22] <holstein> intel is easier to support in a legacy fashion as well likely due to the way they are open about hardware specs
[17:25] <silverarrow> powerpc is pretty well supported still, just a few issues that need attention
[17:26] <silverarrow> I hope there is a dev who has an old g4 or 5 they like
[17:26] <holstein> i find its much like bioterror states.. PPC is dead
[17:27] <holstein> i find a few places that support all kinds of legacy hardware quite well.. ubuntu is not necessarily one of those places
[17:27] <bioterror> it really requires to have some sort of asperger to use G4 PPC's in a year 2012 when C2D computers are already given away for free
[17:28] <bioterror> just like some people likes to use CDE ;-)
[17:29] <holstein> well, im an advocate of using hardware when its around and appropriate, but usually the TCO is lower just getting newer hardware thats better on power usage
[17:37] <silverarrow> yeah, maybe I should stick to installing ubuntu on my new samung in stead
[17:38] <silverarrow> or debian
[18:07] <silverarrow> the ones with the oldest hardware is often studens
[18:07] <silverarrow> they start off with hand me down computers
[18:08] <silverarrow> and improve standard as soon as they can
[18:08] <silverarrow> which often means a couple of years
[18:08] <Unit193> Did you need something?  This is a support channel after all.
[18:08] <silverarrow> yes I do
[18:08] <silverarrow> but not ppc this time
[18:11] <silverarrow> extracting audio file from mp4
[18:13] <Unit193> What about it?  You should be able to use Audacity for example to do that.
[18:17] <silverarrow> apparently vlc is better at it
[18:19] <Unit193> "Better at it"
[18:19] <psichas> hello lubuntu users :))
[18:31] <pH5> when using XVidcap the sound isn't recoding... why???
[18:31] <silverarrow> because it is lubuntu
[18:32] <silverarrow> a bit crappy some times
[18:33] <pH5> so what do you use to record screen actitvies?
[18:33] <holstein> lubuntu is a bit crappy sometimes?.. maybe its soemthing to do with that particular package
[18:33] <silverarrow> screen shots or video capture?
[18:33] <pH5> video
[18:34] <silverarrow> holstein, yeah
[18:34] <holstein> last one i used was gtk-recordmydesktop
[18:35] <silverarrow> I thought gnome mplayer could do video capture?
[18:35] <silverarrow> vlc can
[18:37] <pH5> i had gtk-recordmydesktop but when to play back the video look crappy in the sence i cant see it properly
[18:37] <pH5> what's vlc
[18:37] <pH5> ?
[18:37] <holstein> !vlc
[18:37] <silverarrow> vlc works
[18:38] <silverarrow> must be the only thing on ppc that just works
[18:38] <silverarrow> I just testet
[18:38] <silverarrow> ph5, do you have vlc?
[18:38] <silverarrow> oh, sorry, a video player
[18:39] <silverarrow> media player
[18:39] <pH5> so vlc can record desktop activities and no
[18:39] <silverarrow> hmm, well, no not like that
[18:39] <silverarrow> only what you can stream in vlc
[18:40] <pH5> oh i need something that record desktop videos and sounds
[18:41] <silverarrow> hmm, you mean download or transfer from other media?
[18:41] <holstein> silverarrow: like, a screencapture
[18:42] <pH5> yeah like XVidcap but i get no sound recording
[18:43] <silverarrow> new to me, never used it
[18:44] <pH5> its good but i get no sound.... by the way where do you find the microphone settings on Lubuntu?
[18:45] <holstein> pH5: you can look in the terminal in alsamixer
[18:45] <silverarrow> oh, VLC has desktop option too¨
[18:45] <silverarrow> but haven`t tried
[18:46] <silverarrow> not sure about recording though
[18:46] <silverarrow> ...seem like there it that too
[18:47] <pH5> oh hard to find a good one
[18:47] <holstein> wonder is the linux version of teamviewer works for recording
[18:55] <jonasen> i have downloaded minitube to /home/minitube . what should i write in the CLI to get it installed?
[18:57] <pH5> jonasem: if it work you let me know... doesn't seem to work for me?
[18:57] <pH5> ...
[18:57] <holstein> jonasen: i would do http://www.ubuntugeek.com/install-minitube-1-7-in-ubuntu-using-ppa.html
[18:58] <j0bi> can someone help me make wifi usb adapter TL-WN723N work
[18:58] <holstein> http://www.noobslab.com/2012/01/install-minitube-youtube-client-in.html suggests sudo apt-get purge phonon-backend-xine if you have any problems
[18:59] <holstein> j0bi: i would run lsusb and see if it shows up
[18:59] <j0bi> it shows
[18:59] <holstein> j0bi: then i would share the line about the hardware here, and i'll help you search
[18:59] <j0bi> but it doesnt been shown in the network manager
[18:59] <j0bi> ok just a sec please
[19:00] <j0bi> ID 0bda:8176 Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
[19:01] <j0bi> holstein:
[19:01] <jonasen> thanks for the link, but i have downloaded version 1-8 via http://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/minitube/
[19:01] <pH5> hey the trash bin disappear, how do i get it back?
[19:02] <jonasen> so i need the commands to write in the cli, the links you sent me was only for version 1.7
[19:02] <holstein> i would either follow something like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1658112 or try the windows driver in ndisgtk j0bi
[19:03] <holstein> jonasen: i would look and see what version is currently in that PPA... otherwise, there should be a readme in the pacakge you downloaded with support
[19:03] <holstein> jonasen: consider using checkinstall
[19:03] <holstein> !checkinstall
[19:03] <j0bi> let me read and try something and if i have prob i will ask for help
[19:03] <j0bi> thanks
[19:06] <holstein> j0bi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1030858 seems relevant?
[19:07] <j0bi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1030858     i will check
[19:07] <Jotek> Hello everybody! Can someone help me with running native applications on Lubuntu?
[19:08] <holstein> Jotek: sure.. anything "native" should just install and run easily
[19:09] <holstein> Jotek: i would just use whatever package manager you are comfortable with to search and install them.. synaptic is a nice tool... full featured and easy to use
[19:09] <Jotek> holstein: it does not! When I'm trying to run it I get an window, where I have to choose the best app to work with, when I try to run it with terminal I get a "permision denied" error.
[19:09] <holstein> Jotek: it? synaptic?
[19:10] <Jotek> hostein: nope, this application
[19:10] <holstein> Jotek: cool... what application are you tying to run?
[19:10] <Jotek> holstein: (the one I'm trying to run)
[19:10] <Jotek> holstein: Tibia Client for linux (rpg game)
[19:11] <j0bi> holstein: the wget at the bug report and solution asks for user and pass
[19:11] <j0bi> :(
[19:11] <holstein> j0bi: link what you got in pastebin.. wget should download into your home folder anywhere with no issues
[19:12] <j0bi> i dont understand what to link?
[19:12] <j0bi> the ftp asks for pass
[19:13] <holstein> j0bi: whatever error messages you are seeing and having an issue with
[19:13] <holstein> j0bi: ok. then i would search for the package from another source, or ask the maintainer for the pass, or try the windows driver in ndiswrapper with ndisgkt
[19:13] <holstein> ndisgtk**
[19:13] <j0bi> ok
[19:14] <holstein> !ndisgtk
[19:14] <j0bi> how to see what driver the wifi uses
[19:15] <holstein> j0bi: i would go to the manufacturer and ask... i would grab the windows one and try it
[19:15] <holstein> ndisgtk: graphical frontend for ndiswrapper (installation of Windows WiFi drivers)
[19:16] <Jotek> holstein: StartTibia.sh: 11: StartTibia.sh: ./libc6/ld-linux.so.2: Permission denied <- this is an error I have
[19:17] <holstein> Jotek: i would be cautious of running that as root.. maybe to the point of running a live CD to test it
[19:17] <Jotek> holstein: jotekk@jotekk-HP-d530-SFF-DC578AV:~/Tibia$ sudo sh StartTibia.sh StartTibia.sh: 11: StartTibia.sh: ./libc6/ld-linux.so.2: Permission denied <- as you can see - same thing
[19:17] <holstein> Jotek: where did you get what you have downloaded?.. i cant see a download option without making an account
[19:17] <Jotek> uhm
[19:18] <Jotek> http://static.tibia.com/download/tibia961.tgz
[19:21] <holstein> Jotek: i dont see a readme, and all i get is errors
[19:22] <holstein> i would ask the maintainers what you are supposed to do, and maybe consider wine, or looking in a PPA
[19:22] <j0bi> holstein:  can i ask you. i download the driver from the manufacture that is for windows?
[19:22] <Jotek> holstein: damn
[19:23] <holstein> j0bi: if you see a linux one, try it. you can also try with ndisgtk the windows driver
[19:24] <holstein> http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2011/08/download-ubuntu-gamepack-1104.html has it for example Jotek
[19:24] <Jotek> thanks :)
[19:24] <holstein> i would look into where it got it from and how
[19:25] <j0bi> holstein:  i just installed ndisgtk i open the prog and it i click install new driver
[19:25] <j0bi> and i asks me for the inf file
[19:25] <holstein> j0bi: correct.. the windows driver from the manufacturer
[19:25] <Jotek> hostein: 4.3gb, argh!
[19:25] <j0bi> so i must download it from internet
[19:25] <holstein> Jotek: im not suggesting you download or use it.. im just saying it was included there.. in ubuntu
[19:26] <Jotek> yeah, it works on ubuntu
[19:26] <holstein> Jotek: lubuntu *is* ubuntu
[19:26] <Jotek> holstein: as we can see - not totally
[19:27] <holstein> Jotek: you dont have to say "we", becuase they are the same repos.. with access to the same programs..
[19:27] <holstein> i would think it more likely a software version issue.. like, you are using a verion of ubuntu that support that software, and the lubuntu version doesnt
[19:27] <j0bi> holstein:  i have the cd
[19:28] <j0bi> can i use that???
[19:28] <holstein> j0bi: what cd?
[19:28] <j0bi> with the drivers of the wifi adapter
[19:28] <holstein> j0bi: sure...
[19:28] <j0bi> that came with the usb
[19:29] <holstein> that is a plausible method to obtain windows drivers supplied by the manufacturer
[19:29] <holstein> and, you'll know they should work :)
[19:29] <j0bi> holstein: wich one to use
[19:29] <j0bi> it has for win xp vista and 7
[19:30] <holstein> i always try XP... you can try one, and see, and try another...
[19:30] <j0bi> ok
[19:31] <jonasen> holstein-> i have installed checkinstall, but it the command "sudo checkinstall minitube" doesnt work
[19:32] <holstein> jonasen: i would install from PPA...
[19:32] <jonasen> PPA? sorry im new
[19:32] <holstein> if you want to troubleshoot the current issue, you'll need to pastebin errors
[19:32] <holstein> jonasen: the link i linked earlier
[19:33] <j0bi> it says hardware not present but i d
[19:33] <j0bi> see it blinking
[19:33] <j0bi> and in lsusb
[19:33] <j0bi> should i do a restart holstein
[19:33] <holstein> j0bi: shouldnt have to, but you can try
[19:34] <holstein> jonasen: the link where you said the version was too old.. but when i look at the PPA, it contains version 1.8 https://launchpad.net/~ferramroberto/+archive/minitube
[19:35] <holstein> jonasen: you get version 1.8 from ppa by following http://www.noobslab.com/2012/01/install-minitube-youtube-client-in.html
[19:35] <jonasen> http://pastebin.com/tRNFtDdd
[19:36] <holstein> jonasen: the PPA wont work for you?
[19:37] <jonasen> ok, now i understand. i havent tried it. I would like to be able to install the file i downloaded earlier from minitubes homepage. i coult use that info when installing other apps
[19:37] <j0bi> holstein:  the restart did the trick
[19:38] <j0bi> it started working it asked me for wifi pass and now choose password fro new keyring
[19:38] <j0bi> what is this???
[19:38] <holstein> j0bi: should be the user pass..
[19:39] <holstein> j0bi: get on the network, and then sort out those little issues
[19:39] <j0bi> i cant because its asking me this
[19:39] <holstein> jonasen: and you can, but there should be a readme there.. otherwise, the maintainer of that PPA has already done that for you, if you'd like to use his package
[19:39] <j0bi> an application want to create a new keyring called default
[19:39] <holstein> j0bi: should be the user password
[19:40] <j0bi> ok i put the same i use to log in the system
[19:42] <j0bi> GIOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ITS WORKING
[19:42] <j0bi> yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeea
[19:42] <j0bi> thanks a lot holstein
[19:43] <j0bi> to tell you the truth i knew about the ndisgtk but afraid to use cause of the threads i was reading and its problems
[19:43] <j0bi> :)
[19:43] <j0bi> but thanks encouraging me
[19:43] <holstein> its an option to explore... an easy one in some cases
[19:43] <j0bi> no this old laptop will go to a poor family
[19:44] <j0bi> for hobby i find old computers tha others want to throw i remove them the windows install a lightweight distro and give them to poor familys
[19:45] <j0bi> thanks i will tell them about you
[19:45] <j0bi> holstein:
[19:45] <j0bi> :)
[19:46] <jonasen> holstein: i tried the PPA you sent me, it worked. thanks! I will read more about PPA:s i would like to be able to make my own
[19:48] <holstein> jonasen: enjoy!.. again, just an option, and an easy one to explore.. and also, it makes it easy to uninstall the package, and it will be maintained as long as the PPA is maintained
[20:14] <silverarrow> is firefox 5 still available?
[20:14] <silverarrow> or 4 even
[20:14] <holstein> i would expect to find the source for all of them somewhere
[20:38] <silverarrow> I was thinknig of having both 14.01 and 5
[20:39] <silverarrow> and I think I will install Debian Weeezy when it launches
[20:43] <silverarrow> I lost connectoin


[00:22] <BiosElement> Is it odd that I'm actually really looking foward to Unity? (And I'm a KDE user, ironically so it'd mean a return to gnomesoft land) >.>
[00:48] <canthus13> Ugh. Unity. :(
[01:35] <nhandler> Nothing official yet, but I'm getting close to deciding on a college, and since one of them is in Ohio, I figured I might as well start idling in here
[01:36] <Unit193> That's what we all do :)
[01:36] <Unit193> Welcome to the #ubuntu-us-oh channel!
[01:37] <nhandler> Thanks Unit193 :)
[01:39] <Unit193> Man, you're in everything!
[01:40] <canthus13> nhandler: Which college?
[01:41] <Cheri703> welcome nhandler :)
[01:41] <nhandler> Unit193: Not quite, but as a member of the IRCC and freenode staff, I like to idle in a lot of channels
[01:41] <nhandler> canthus13: Case Western
[01:42] <nhandler> Thank you Cheri703
[01:42] <Cheri703> where are you currently?
[01:43] <nhandler> Cheri703: I'm in the NW suburbs of Chicago
[01:43] <Cheri703> ah, I think I may have known that....
[01:43] <Cheri703> we got a few inches of snow here today -_-
[01:43] <paultag> heyya nhandler :)
[01:43] <paultag> nhandler: wellcome to snowhell 2011
[01:43] <nhandler> Sounds fun. I'm in Florida on vacation, so I was at the beach today
[01:43] <nhandler> Hi paultag
[01:43] <paultag> nhandler: it just snowed
[01:43] <Cheri703> I kind of hate you now nhandler
[01:44] <paultag> hehe
[01:44] <nhandler> :D
[01:44] <paultag> nhandler: No shit, when are you coming to check out CW?
[01:45] <paultag> nhandler: the maintainer of bash in GNU is at CWR IIRC
[01:45] <nhandler> paultag: I've gone once already. I'll be setting a date to go a second time sometime this week
[01:45] <paultag> nhandler: let me know! I'm two minutes down the road! :)
[01:45] <nhandler> paultag: As a professor or student?
[01:45] <paultag> nhandler: professor, methinks
[01:45] <nhandler> paultag: I thought you were farther away
[01:45] <paultag> nhandler: no way! CW is Cleveland
[01:45] <paultag> and on the east side, too
[01:46] <paultag> it's about 10 minutes to CWR from JCU
[01:46] <nhandler> paultag: Alright. I'll definitely let you know. It would be great to finally get to meet up in person
[01:46] <paultag> Case kids go to the same bars as us
[01:46] <paultag> nhandler: for sure!
[01:46] <canthus13> nhandler: Cleveland... :(
[01:46] <paultag> nhandler: there's a few great places to eat around
[01:48] <paultag> nhandler: if you end up at CWR, you might consider taking the NEO LoCo from me :)
[01:48] <paultag> since I'll be out of town
[01:51] <nhandler> paultag: I'll talk to you about that if I end up at CWR and after I attend a meeting or two ;)
[01:51] <paultag> nhandler: sure thing :)
[01:57] <paultag> nhandler: so, I got Synnamon chrootable :)
[01:57] <paultag> nothing fancy, yet. It's actually pretty cool
[01:57] <paultag> I've tried to fix all the problems with dpkg :)
[01:58] <nhandler> paultag: Very nice. I've been watching your various status updates about it. It sounds very cool.
[01:58] <paultag> nhandler: I'm super stoked about it :)
[01:58] <paultag> nhandler: I'm matching glibc and gcc versions, so I can "shift without a clutch"
[01:59] <paultag> nhandler: then I'll just upload a new gcc to my build machine, then a new glibc, and do an archive rebuild live
[02:01] <paultag> buhaha :)
[02:03]  * djoe was just in OH briefly
[02:04] <nhandler> paultag: Can you run your package manager alongside dpkg/apt ?
[02:05] <paultag> nhandler: all my machines are doing that now, but they will start to conflict and bork. It's sane enough to not do anything stupid, I'm just using it to do basic builds
[02:05] <paultag> nhandler: it can convert debs into syns, though
[02:06] <paultag> nhandler: I've just removed the idea of multi-binary packages totally. It's all in one blob, with a config file telling syn what files belong to what subpackage
[02:06] <paultag> it'll auto-install some things (marked default) and not install other things (headers) by default
[02:07] <paultag> so deb-to-syn breaks sometimes
[02:08] <nhandler> paultag: I would have been surprised if it didn't. Converting deb->anything is a quite daunting task
[02:08] <paultag> +1
[06:18] <Unit193> It would be really cool if you could integrate Synergy and LibreOffice (Impress)
[06:18] <Cheri703> how so?
[06:22] <Unit193> Like how you can use dual monitors with the "Presenter View" (would be more of a remote control then synergy, but still)
[06:26] <Cheri703> hmm...k
[06:27] <Unit193> Dual monitors and Impress without dual monitors
[06:28] <Cheri703> easiest way would be teamviewer and "don't display mouse on remote computer" or whatever :)
[06:29] <Unit193> That wouldn't give you thre presenter mode...
[06:29] <Cheri703> dunno
[06:30] <Unit193> Anyway, it isn't going to happen...
[15:26] <thafreak> Morning Ohio!
[16:56] <canthus13> Herro.
[16:57]  * canthus13 contemplates running vuln scans on his neighbors' computers.
[16:59] <Cheri703> ?
[16:59] <canthus13> Cheri703: 2 networks near me are wide open, no security.  I'm pondering whether or not to scan their machines for vulnerabilities... If they're running decent AV, it *should* alert...
[17:00] <Cheri703> ah
[17:00] <Cheri703> there are SEVERAL of those near me
[17:00]  * canthus13 figures he could prolly root most of their boxes easily with db_autopwn... but that kinda strays across ethical lines. :P
[17:01] <canthus13> I'm just debating whether or not simply scanning their boxes counts as malicious. :P
[17:01] <canthus13>  /me is getting bored with attacking boxes on his own network. :P
[17:05] <djoe> http://thinkgeek.com/blog/2011/03/take-these-broken-things.html?cpg=fb <- Columbus-area hardware-hackers take note
[17:05] <djoe> heck, I guess paultag  et al could even drive down once a quarter
[17:06] <paultag> ohai
[17:07] <Cheri703> huh, never knew they had a warehouse in cbus
[17:11] <canthus13> One more reason to not buy HP.  http://consumerist.com/2011/02/hp-pretends-linux-voids-netbook-hardware-warranty.html
[17:12] <Cheri703> did you see the thing about samsung and the keyloggers!?
[17:15] <canthus13> Nope.
[17:16] <canthus13> http://www.pcworld.com/article/223872/samsung_cleared_of_keylogger_accusation_one_nagging_question_remains.html
[17:16] <canthus13> that?
[17:16] <Cheri703> maybe, didn't see the newer one...will read now :)
[17:16] <canthus13> Apparently, it was a false alarm with VIPRE.
[17:18] <Cheri703> that's good then
[17:19] <djoe> well, it's proprietary software, so one has to take at their word people who are beholden to the vendor anyway.
[17:19] <djoe> that's the default situation with any proprietary OS.
[17:20] <djoe> which is not news, but it is very much a case of "oh, so why exactly are you worrying about this sort of thing in this case only"
[17:33] <canthus13> djoe: Don't attribute malicious intent where stupidity is more likely.
[17:34] <canthus13> It's far more likely that the windows live crap that it alerted on just happened to have crap code that kind of resembles a keylogger than it is that there is actually malicious code.
[17:43] <djoe> who would I be attributing malice to?  I didn't think I was.
[17:43] <djoe> mostly, I'm attributing naivetee to folks who have such a selective worry about security
[17:44] <djoe> if you're worried about security, maybe proprietary software is not for you
[18:33] <canthus13> djoe: *shrug* You just seem to be equating proprietary with malicious, which isn't necessarily true.
[19:11]  * BiosElement sighs
[19:34] <djoe> canthus13: sorry you see it that way, I don't see that I'm doing anything of the sort.
[19:35] <djoe> it's a basic epistemological question:  "How do you know?"
[19:35] <djoe> with FOSS, you can either look, or choose anyone at all as your agent to look at the code on your behalf
[19:36] <djoe> and that way, there is an auditable chain of accountability.
[19:36] <djoe> with proprietary code, you still have some options, but they are more limited, and colored by the licensing relationships.
[19:37] <djoe> it's not "proprietary software has molicious software in it" but rather "how you can know whether its there or not is more limited"
[19:39] <BiosElement> The arguement is kinda patchy though. Only a dev who spent many, many hours could tell if any piece of foss software was malicious or not. To an end-user, that's not gonna happen. Thus it's no different really.
[19:42] <canthus13> djoe: All good. :)
[19:43] <canthus13> Any Toledo locals who are interested, your local ISP is hiring technical support types... pay is decent, benefits are pretty good.
[19:45] <djoe> BiosElement: an end user isn't going to be a dev who spends hours on the code?
[19:46] <djoe> of course not.
[19:46] <djoe> that's a strawman.
[19:46] <djoe> thus the bit about "choose anyone at all as your  agent to look at the code on your behalf
[19:46] <djoe> "
[19:46] <BiosElement> And that's so very likely.
[19:48] <djoe> happens all the time.
[19:48] <djoe> or maybe you've never read a project mailing list to see who is active in it.
[19:48] <djoe> in which case, you'd have no clue.
[19:48] <djoe> but I suspect you do do that, and so you're familiar with that sort of dynamic.
[19:49] <canthus13> The average user has no clue how to initiate something like that.
[19:50] <BiosElement> And yet it's still not difficult to argue that proprietary software can and usually is equally secure to F/OSS software. Arguing it's inherently less secure is just silly and an average end-user won't hire someone to review it.
[19:50] <canthus13> Not to mention that most people don't know a competent dev that they trust to evaluate something like that, so it's still word of mouth.
[19:50] <djoe> right.  So, if we take, say, one of our family members as the "average user" then they rely on us, and we rely on our inspection of the dev community and therefor on that dev community.
[19:51] <djoe> it doesn't have to be grandpa sitting down with some Russian code whiz, directly.
[19:53] <djoe> BiosElement: I have trouble respecting any attempt to treat "security' as if it is some scalar quantity.  I'm not arguing about 'security' I'm arguing about the presence of malicious code.  They are related, but not the same.  Perhaps too subtle a distinction for you, but that's what we were talking about.
[19:53] <djoe> 'security' usually being wildly context dependent.
[19:53] <BiosElement> That 'is' the same. Malicious code isn't secure for an end-user.
[19:54] <djoe> right.  but the lack of deliberately malicious code isn't the same thing as being 'secure'
[19:54] <djoe> hence the non-identity.
[19:55] <djoe> most security problems are not from malicious code introduced upstream, but due to vulnerabilities in the code that are later exploited.
[19:55] <djoe> so, very very much not the same thing.
[19:55] <BiosElement> Arguing proprietary software inherently has Malicious software in it (or has a higher chance too) is just as bad as Microsoft's average FUD.
[19:55] <djoe> good thing I'm not doing that.
[19:56] <djoe> apology accepted.
[19:57] <BiosElement> Smartass remarks don't help your case. :) Enjoy arguing alone, since you'd rather make petty remarks then actually debate something.
[19:57] <djoe> heh
[20:00] <djoe> I'm glad I had the opportunity to clear up some of your misconceptions, BiosElement, and would be happy to try to help you out of similar confusion in the future, if you'd like.
[20:01] <paultag> hehe
[20:01] <paultag> this conversation is great
[20:02] <paultag> BiosElement: it may in practice be about the same, but at least I can audit my code, and make sure it's not sending passwords over the wire, with F/OSS
[20:02] <paultag> Nonfree crap will not allow me to do this, short of sniffing
[20:02] <paultag> but if it's encrypted, all is lost
[20:02] <djoe> paultag: not true.  there are people outside of the originating companies who look at proprietary code.
[20:02] <BiosElement> paultag: I'm not arguing it isn't easier to secure, but it's FUD to argue it's inherently evil. (As for passwords, that's easy to watch for but I'll give you that one :P)
[20:02] <paultag> djoe: truth
[20:03] <djoe> so, there is some level of inspection there.
[20:03] <djoe> it's just that, in order to look at that code, who knows what contractual limitations have been put in place.
[20:03] <paultag> djoe: yes, but that does not prevent them from doing this. Who knows if that's the code that gets shipped
[20:03] <paultag> djoe: or if they can talk about it
[20:04] <djoe> in principle, one could inspect those agreements, ad infinitum, but at that point it's no less cumbersome than grandpa trusting me and me trusting some dev community . . .
[20:04] <djoe> so, yeah.
[20:05] <djoe> this doesn't even get into the question of whether a data-harvesting "feature" put in to "enhance the customer experience" is in the interests of the user, or not.
[20:05] <paultag> aye
[20:06] <paultag> so, who's got the beer
[20:06] <djoe> maybe some Inherently Evil Ale?
[20:06] <paultag> that'd be awesome
[20:07] <djoe> also, BiosElement, I never said "inherently evil" so I would thank you very much not to ascribe that to me.  I find it, at best, impolite that you accuse me of "arguing" and so on, when what it seems is happening is that you are arguing with some figment of your severely limited imagination.
[20:08] <djoe> You seem to inhabit a world in which any question always only has two sides, and you seem to have assigned me whatever color best fits your chessboard.
[22:09] <nhandler> paultag: Looks like I might be going to an overnight program the 21-22
[22:11]  * SkrappJaw is lurking
[22:11] <Cheri703> hey SkrappJaw
[22:11] <Cheri703> is facebook working for anyone else?
[22:11] <SkrappJaw> sup?
[22:11] <SkrappJaw> hmm...
[22:11] <Unit193> Hello SkrappJaw
[22:11] <SkrappJaw> lemme check
[22:11] <SkrappJaw> hey.
[22:12] <SkrappJaw> ya
[22:12] <Cheri703> other websites are working, facebook chat is connecting via empathy, but I can't reach facebook.com -_-
[22:12] <SkrappJaw> fb works for me
[22:12] <SkrappJaw> i have it
[22:12]  * Unit193 can get to facebook.com but didn't login
[22:13] <Cheri703> weird
[22:13] <SkrappJaw> the cia is decrypting the code in your profile info.
[22:13] <SkrappJaw> lol
[22:14] <Cheri703> could be
[22:14] <Unit193> FBI, not CIA...
[22:14] <SkrappJaw> NSA... :P
[22:14] <Unit193> That was my next one
[22:15] <Cheri703> restarted FF and we're good now :)
[22:16] <SkrappJaw> dont ya know canines arent supposed to eat cookies?
[22:17] <Cheri703> ?
[22:18] <SkrappJaw> ops. thought i was typing in pidgin
[22:18] <SkrappJaw> lol
[22:18] <Cheri703> heh
[22:21] <SkrappJaw> Setting up vbox for Andy.
[22:21] <Cheri703> nice
[22:21] <SkrappJaw> bout to get him in xchat.
[22:22] <Unit193> Not pidgin?
[22:24] <SkrappJaw> he's on pidgin
[22:25] <Unit193> Pidgin also works with IRC...
[22:25] <SkrappJaw> ya?
[22:25] <Cheri703> I tried it and didn't like it
[22:25] <Unit193> Yeah, but Xchat will give you a little more info
[22:25]  * Cheri703 likes xchat :)
[22:26] <SkrappJaw> I like a dedicated IRC window.
[22:26]  * Unit193 likes irssi >:)
[22:26]  * SkrappJaw likes ssh
[22:26] <Unit193> +screen
[22:26] <SkrappJaw>  +screen?
[22:27] <Cheri703> screen is pretty cool, I've still not really messed with it though, and I like my non-command line based chat :)
[22:27] <Cheri703> screen is via ssh
[22:27] <Cheri703> so you could have irssi running on your home computer and hop back into it from your laptop
[22:27] <Unit193> Or from Panera ;)
[22:28] <Cheri703> indeed
[22:28] <SkrappJaw> sweet
[22:28] <Unit193> If you like pidgin, you could try finch (about the same, finch is for terminal)
[22:28] <SkrappJaw> Terminal? that sounds cool.
[22:28] <SkrappJaw> can i apt-get install that?
[22:29] <Unit193> You already have that...
[22:29] <Cheri703> terminal is your command line program
[22:30] <SkrappJaw> I know but i didnt know there was a chat app that ran in the terminal
[22:30] <Unit193> sudo apt-get install finch (I use the pidgin PPA)
[22:30] <SkrappJaw> cool
[22:31] <Cheri703> ah, yeah
[22:31] <Unit193> It uses libpurple and the same config dir as pidgin (so if you have pidgin setup, you have finch setup with all your logs)
[22:34] <SkrappJaw> brb
[22:34] <SkrappJaw> food
[22:51] <SkrappJaw> back
[22:53] <Unit193> How/what was the food?
[22:53] <SkrappJaw> cheri703: When is the next mans ubuhour?
[22:53] <Cheri703> as of now, it is next thursday at 6
[22:53] <paultag> nhandler: of april?
[22:53] <SkrappJaw> cool. gives me time to get to wood st afte taht
[22:55] <SkrappJaw> http://www.facebook.com/home.php#!/pages/Skrapp-Jaw/163509587038250
[22:55] <SkrappJaw> I made a page for my solo bits.
[22:58] <Unit193> SkrappJaw: Do you use Google Cal? you can hit the + Google Calendar on (http://ohio.ubuntu-us.org/calendar) to add to your calendar
[23:00] <SkrappJaw> no. I dont. just facebook.
[23:00] <Cheri703> you can still bookmark it and look at it :)
[23:09] <SkrappJaw> ctrl+d
[23:10] <Unit193> FF4?
[23:43] <SkrappJaw> any


[14:29] <akgraner> Good Morning! :-)
[15:30] <akgraner> Hi all  - I answered a question on AskUbuntu last night about UWN..and we've already had some folks join the team and or ask questions about how they can help...
[15:31] <akgraner> so I am hoping that after UDS we can once again be back on a predictable schedule etc...I'll email the those who have contributed in the past first them move to the list...
[15:32] <akgraner> But I was hoping you all could help me think about updating UWN...to make it more appealing to those readers who will be reading it on their mobile devices
[15:32] <akgraner> also think about how we can used more visual items in it as well..
[15:33] <akgraner> and before anyone says "but I like plain text"  I'm not saying the wiki nor the email will go away I'm saying I want to get more readers by offering something updated
[15:34] <holstein> akgraner: good idea
[15:34] <holstein> especially if its something that happens kinda auto-magcially
[15:34] <holstein> at the same time
[15:34] <holstein> why not right?
[15:35] <akgraner> yep
[15:36] <akgraner> for quality content we can just auto everything on our side - but if our readers think its auto-magic then great!
[15:36] <akgraner> s/can/can't
[15:36] <holstein> sure
[15:36] <holstein> but nows the time to look into alternativs
[15:37] <holstein> that make it easy as possible on the back end too
[15:37] <holstein> i mean, we use linux
[15:37] <akgraner> nods
[15:37] <akgraner> I agree
[15:37] <holstein> i tell folks, with linux, the answer is always yes :)
[15:37] <holstein> just might have to work for it
[15:37] <akgraner> well I am carving out times to do UWN like I was befire
[15:37] <akgraner> before
[15:38] <holstein> akgraner: i will try and do the same
[15:38] <holstein> i got real busy again
[15:38] <holstein> which is good
[15:38] <akgraner> with a goal of training anyone who wants to help
[15:38] <holstein> but, i can make some time for this project for sure :)
[15:38] <akgraner> me too - I finish with my todo stuff on the book this week
[15:38] <akgraner> and Ubuntu User for this cycle has gone to print
[15:39] <akgraner> so those two things are wrapping up
[15:39] <akgraner> we are back in the house and my office is set up  so that is off my plate
[15:39] <holstein> yeah, thats awesome akgraner
[15:39] <holstein> congrats :)
[15:39] <akgraner> so after UDS :-) woot woot....
[15:40] <akgraner> no I just have to figure out what else I need to hand over :-)
[15:40] <holstein> akgraner: im sure you and i and daniel could meet in person about some of this backend
[15:40] <holstein> he's a great problem solver
[15:40] <akgraner> yep...I'm in Asheville almost every week after UDS
[15:40] <holstein> not that we have to meet in person though
[15:40] <holstein> akgraner: if you are going to be around
[15:40] <holstein> message me
[15:41] <akgraner> will do...
[15:41] <holstein> and lets try and get a hang going on
[15:41] <holstein> try and get a indeal scenario
[15:41] <akgraner> I also need to hand off come CD's and stuff to you
[15:41] <holstein> well, a couple of scenarios
[15:41] <holstein> from the current set up
[15:41] <holstein> to something totally automated
[15:41] <akgraner> s/come/some
[15:41] <holstein> and some inbetween
[15:42] <holstein> and we can kinda work through implemeting those in our minds
[15:42] <akgraner> totally automated is not ideal but something in between is
[15:42] <holstein> and get the ball rolling
[15:42] <akgraner> yep
[15:43] <akgraner> but like nhandler has the script for the interviews that's awesome
[15:43] <akgraner> and stuff like that
[15:43] <holstein> maybe at the firestorm or something where theres internet
[15:43] <holstein> and i can try streaming or something
[15:43] <holstein> to get those regular contributors here envolved too :)
[15:45] <akgraner> I have almost unlimited bandwidth here...
[15:45] <akgraner> so if you and Daniel want to do a road trip to the house that would work too
[15:45] <holstein> akgraner: so maybe that week of the 15th then?
[15:46] <akgraner> we could have JFo over as well
[15:46] <holstein> lets shoot for meeting in some capacity by then
[15:46] <akgraner> grill out and problem solve
[15:46] <akgraner> k
[15:46] <holstein> even if just IRC
[15:46] <holstein> cool, i gotta run.. BBL
[15:46] <akgraner> you all just tell me what day works for you after the 16th
[17:37] <pleia2> nhandler: I think the interview sync script is broken
[17:38] <pleia2> s-fox added one yesterday and no sync
[19:59] <nhandler> pleia2: Let me check on that