[00:08] <Takyoji> So, what sane open alternatives are there to flee to from Skype? :P
[01:29] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: XMPP, obviously.
[01:30] <tonyyarusso> Voice and video chat works flawlessly through Empathy between Jabber users.
[01:48] <Takyoji> It's SIP through XMPP or something though, correct?
[01:48] <Takyoji> Or does XMPP actually have it's own specific specification for audio/video?
[01:50] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: XMPP has it's own thing.  (Although SIP is another option also.)
[01:50] <tonyyarusso> *its
[06:02] <Takyoji> Aww, I thought there was tunnel server in Minneapolis just added to HE's IPv6 tunnel list
[06:02] <Takyoji> But I guess it must just be a backbone connection endpoint or something that was recently added


[05:16] <xchris2168x> can anyone help me diagnose why i'm getting 12 XRUNS a second on my comp?
[05:16] <holstein> sure
[05:16] <holstein> xchris2168x: try running as root temporarily
[05:16] <holstein> look at the messages in the JACK window
[05:17] <holstein> consider trying other kernels
[05:17] <xchris2168x> realtime or not?
[05:17] <holstein> xchris2168x: RT usually permits lower latency
[05:17] <holstein> you can also just relax the JACK settings
[05:17] <holstein> increas the latency
[05:17] <holstein> depends on what you are doing if you actually need low latency
[05:18] <holstein> i say, if you dont have 12ms, you dont need RT
[05:18] <xchris2168x> i mean, at this point i'm just trying to get it to the point where my guitar doesn't sound like a helicopter
[05:18] <holstein> anything around 15ms starts to get unacceptable to me
[05:18] <holstein> xchris2168x: when? after you record it?
[05:18] <holstein> just dont monitor with the computer
[05:19] <holstein> monitor live... track at a higher latency...
[05:19] <xchris2168x> well i like to use rakarrack as an amp since i'm in college and don't have space/$$ for a real amp right now
[05:19] <holstein> also depends on the hardware... you wont get low latency or great quality from an internal card
[05:20] <holstein> xchris2168x: i use it... i use it via firewire.. and with several USB devices
[05:20] <xchris2168x> yeah, i've got a Line 6 UX2
[05:20] <holstein> you can try a different kernel
[05:20] <holstein> you can ask in #opensourcemusicians
[05:21] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa
[05:21] <holstein> you dont *need* the line6
[05:21] <holstein> you can try the internal card
[05:21] <holstein> see if you get better performance
[05:22] <xchris2168x> well i need the line6 to hook up to my monitors
[05:22] <xchris2168x> and my guitar too
[05:22] <holstein> xchris2168x: hook it up
[05:22] <holstein> then line out of that into the internal sound card
[05:22] <holstein> im just suggesting trying the other interface you already have
[05:23] <xchris2168x> yeah, the drivers ARE a little bit iffy...
[05:23] <xchris2168x> good suggestion
[05:23] <xchris2168x> thank you
[05:23] <holstein> yeah, it wont hurt
[05:23] <holstein> i hate using internal cards though
[05:23] <holstein> how about as root?
[05:23] <holstein> still bad?
[05:23] <xchris2168x> just as bad yeah..
[05:24] <holstein> try the kernel too though
[05:24] <xchris2168x> how long do you think that'll take?
[05:24] <holstein> xchris2168x: ?
[05:25] <holstein> trying a kernel?
[05:25] <xchris2168x> yeah, never done it
[05:25] <holstein> depends... not long
[05:25] <holstein> it would take me about 4 mintues longer than it takes my machine to reboot
[05:25] <xchris2168x> alright, let me give it a try
[05:26] <holstein> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:abogani/ppa
[05:26] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[05:26] <holstein> sudo apt-get install linux-lowlatency
[05:27] <holstein> then, you can decide about editing grub to show you the kernels, or just holding shift down when you reboot
[05:27] <holstein> !grub2
[05:27] <holstein> xchris2168x: i have also been told that USB devices need to have 2 periods/buffer
[05:27] <holstein> not 3
[05:28] <xchris2168x> i've tried with 2-6 periods
[05:28] <xchris2168x> literally tried it all within the qjackctl settings
[05:28] <holstein> xchris2168x: well, you can just set it to 2 for the tests with the lowlatency kernel
[05:28] <holstein> leave the RT box checked


[07:10] <didrocks> good morning
[08:32] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[08:34] <didrocks> re seb128
[08:34] <seb128> re :)
[08:48] <willcooke> morning
[08:49] <thumper> o/ willcooke
[08:49] <thumper> o/ seb128 and didrocks
[08:49] <didrocks> hey willcooke, evening thumper :)
[08:49] <seb128> hey willcooke thumper
[08:49] <seb128> how are you?
[08:49] <thumper> good
[08:49] <thumper> spending my time tonight looking for a resource leak
[08:49] <thumper> just found it
[08:50] <thumper> running test suite with the fix to see if I broke anything else :)
[08:50] <didrocks> thumper: juju was mentioned on the 8 year celebration blog post of Go ;)
[08:50] <thumper> oh?
[08:50] <didrocks> https://blog.golang.org/8years
[08:53] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers!
[08:53] <didrocks> hey hey oSoMoN
[08:58] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, ça va?
[08:59] <didrocks> ça va bien, et toi ?
[09:00] <seb128> lut oSoMoN
[09:00] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[09:00] <oSoMoN> bien
[09:01] <oSoMoN> pas très reposé, mais bien :)
[09:02] <oSoMoN> didrocks, seb128: when you have a moment, please add a word of support or two to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OlivierTilloy/PPUApplication
[09:02] <Laney> hey hey
[09:02] <oSoMoN> hey Laney
[09:03] <seb128> oSoMoN, oh, sure
[09:03] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you? good w.e?
[09:03] <seb128> oSoMoN, le w.e c'est fait pour s'amuser et la semaine pour se reposer non ? ;-)
[09:04] <didrocks> morning Laney
[09:05] <oSoMoN> seb128, ça c’est la théorie… :)
[09:05] <seb128> :-)
[09:06] <Laney> hey oSoMoN didrocks seb128
[09:06] <Laney> seb128: great!
[09:06] <Laney> family visiting, went for walks / beer / meals
[09:06] <Laney> you?
[09:08] <oSoMoN> I had a gargantuan raclette for lunch yesterday, that was the highlight of the week-end :)
[09:09] <Laney> :D
[09:11] <oSoMoN> seb128, so LO in bionic is still failing to build because linebreak functionality is broken with ICU 60. There's an upstream bug report (https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113705) but they don't seem to be in a hurry to address it. Do you reckon I should invest time in fixing it myself, or do we skip the corresponding unit test temporarily to allow the package to build, knowing that actual functional
[09:11] <oSoMoN> ity is broken?
[09:13] <seb128> oSoMoN, do we need the update to migrate now? or is it fine to keep it in proposed for a while?
[09:15] <oSoMoN> seb128, it's fine to have it in proposed, but it's blocking the 5.4.2 SRU for artful
[09:15] <seb128> oSoMoN, do you know what user visible impact it has? like what is not working correctly in libreoffice?
[09:16] <oSoMoN> linebreak is not going to work correctly
[09:16] <oSoMoN> this will be most visible in writer
[09:16] <seb128> oSoMoN, SRUs don't require to have the change out of proposed, just to have it uploaded so it doesn't get forgotten
[09:16] <oSoMoN> seb128, ah that's a good point, then I'll ping the SRU team to unblock it
[09:17] <ricotz> oSoMoN, seb128, hi, lo is the last item blocking the icu transition to complete
[09:17] <seb128> oSoMoN, thanks
[09:17] <oSoMoN> yeah, I know
[09:17] <seb128> ricotz, well, somebody who cares about icu needs to fix that bug then
[09:17] <seb128> and hey :)
[09:17] <ricotz> oSoMoN, I got the impression it is "just" an behaviour change, e.g. icu/unicode allows breaks on "/" to wrap url or the like
[09:17] <seb128> oSoMoN, but in any case we are not forcing in buggy softwares so that option isn't a valid one
[09:18] <seb128> oSoMoN, I would keep it in  proposed for now until somebody who cares enough investigate/fixes it
[09:19] <ricotz> oSoMoN, but this is better to be investigated by upstream
[09:19] <seb128> (which might end up being us, but I wouldn't drop everything else for that yet)
[09:20] <ricotz> I would assume upstream bumps to icu 60 with lo 6.0 which will result in a more pressing need for them to fix it
[09:20] <oSoMoN> ricotz, I agree, but it doesn't look like they're very interested in fixing it, given that they ship an older copy of ICU with LO
[09:20] <oSoMoN> ricotz, is there any strong indication they intend to bump to 60 with 6.0 ?
[09:20] <oSoMoN> or just an assumption?
[09:21] <ricotz> oSoMoN, right, especially for the 5.4 branch, but the fix should be backportable
[09:21] <ricotz> just an assumption
[09:21] <oSoMoN> what I can do is test writer in an i386 VM and see the extent of the linebreak issue
[09:22] <oSoMoN> if it's not too bad then we can just skip the unit test temporarily
[09:24] <ricotz> I agree
[09:26] <ricotz> oSoMoN, fyi, I will copy 5.4.3 to the main PPAs later today
[09:26] <andyrock> seb128: hey regarding gnome-disk-utility showing snap squashfs
[09:26] <seb128> hey andyrock
[09:27] <andyrock> gnome-disk-utility maintainers agreed to accept the patch to skip devices marked as UDISK_IGNORED
[09:27] <andyrock> but we still need to add an udev rule somewhere
[09:27] <andyrock> maybe inside the snap deb package?
[09:29] <seb128> andyrock, oh, nice
[09:29] <seb128> andyrock, do you have an idea what the udev rule would be already?
[09:30] <oSoMoN> ricotz, ack, thanks
[09:37] <andyrock> seb128: I've already a working one. Let me check if I can make it less generic
[09:37] <andyrock> making sure it will filter just snap squashfs
[09:37] <seb128> andyrock, right, I'm asking because it might make sense in different packages according to what is in the rule
[09:38] <seb128> andyrock, if you have a way to flag snaps mount only the snapd package makes sense imho
[09:42] <Laney> indeed
[10:08] <andyrock> mmm skipping ignored devices is not an option anymore
[10:09] <andyrock> we could filter for devices mounted in /snap
[10:09] <andyrock> but does snapd mounts always in /snap in all ditros?
[10:12] <seb128> andyrock, that's a question for #snappy or the snapcraft forum
[11:44] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, hi, do you have a moment?
[12:10] <bigon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1713457 << an idea about this?
[12:10] <bigon> this is quite annoying
[12:24] <seb128> bigon, I don't think we have much n-m people around, maybe cyphermox or xnox on #ubuntu-devel would know
[12:30] <zhaoqiang> hi
[12:35] <seb128> bigon, you might want to report it upstream, more chance to get a reply there
[12:40] <Laney> andyrock: out of interest, why is not an option?
[12:48] <seb128> didrocks, uploading https://launchpadlibrarian.net/344786398/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock_0.8.1_source.changes to artful was an error right? (it's in the queue, asking before rejecting)
[12:51] <seb128> Laney, willcooke, do you if robert plans to do a gnome-software SRU to 17.10 and when? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/gnome-software/ubuntu-artful has quite some segfaults & other issues fixed, it would probably make sense to do an upload now
[12:53] <Laney> not sure but 3.26.2 came out the other day
[12:53] <seb128> he was waiting on that?
[12:54] <jbicha> bigon: do you experience that NM bug on Debian too?
[12:55] <Laney> I don't know, but it would be sensible to upload that
[12:55] <bigon> jbicha, seb128 it's the laptop of a coleague
[12:56] <bigon> IIRC I don't see that on debian
[12:56] <bigon> could be a problem with resolvconf
[12:57] <ogra_> resolvconf is dead and gone (well ... to universe)
[12:58] <seb128> systemd-resolved?
[12:58] <ogra_> yeah
[13:02] <andyrock> Laney: there are other partitions marked with the HintIgnore that should be shown
[13:06] <bigon> it's not installed by default in 17.10
[13:06] <bigon> ?
[13:06] <bigon> mmh
[13:06] <bigon> vpnc is pulling it on that laptop
[13:27] <bigon> 13:57 < ogra_> resolvconf is dead and gone (well ... to universe) << uninstalling resolveconf is fixing the probleme here
[13:27] <ogra_> do-release-upgrade or update-manager should have removed it actually
[13:28] <bigon> it's pulled by vpnc
[13:28] <bigon> (or vpn-scripts)
[13:30] <koza> willcooke, hey man, what are the chances PA 11 lands in bionic? rmadison shows v10 packaged as of today
[13:34] <ogra_> bigon, ah, that should be fixed then
[13:35] <willcooke> koza, pretty good, duflu was looking at it before hols.  1 sec
[13:35] <willcooke> koza, https://trello.com/c/2Cy6kdqt
[13:52] <koza> willcooke, sweet
[13:53] <ricotz> oSoMoN, fyi, https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/44665/
[14:17] <willcooke> restart, brb
[14:23] <Trevinho> Hola desktoppers!
[14:23] <Trevinho> I'm back to the digital world....
[14:23] <willcooke> hey Trevinho!   No connection a part in some public parks where it's 1$/hour
[14:24] <Trevinho> And not really reliable
[14:25] <seb128> nice
[14:25] <Trevinho> So... Lots of social interactions, using the great social network they have there in human relationships
[14:26] <Trevinho> Basically what we have here with airbnb and uber, there exists for years just using the word of mouth
[14:28] <ogra_> uuh ... VoA protocol .. scary
[14:32] <oSoMoN> welcome back Trevinho
[14:32] <Laney> hey Trevinho
[14:32] <Laney> happy email day
[14:34] <oSoMoN> ricotz, interesting. I don't see changes related to linebreak though
[14:34] <Trevinho>  Hi oSoMoN and Laney
[14:42] <ricotz> oSoMoN, yes, not part of it and this is blocked by your bug report of course, but there is movement
[14:50] <didrocks> seb128: ok, I'm having a déja-vu impression, I thought I removed it (and yeah, grrrr dch -r "")
[14:51] <didrocks> seb128: deleting it, I have the page opened
[14:51] <seb128> didrocks, k, thanks
[14:51] <didrocks> thanks for noticing :)
[14:51] <seb128> np!
[14:51] <didrocks> ah
[14:51] <didrocks> Rejection comment required.
[14:51] <didrocks> probably why it didn't remove (I'm only adding them for others ;))
[14:51] <seb128> "do what I say"
[14:51] <seb128> :p
[14:51] <didrocks> heh
[14:52] <didrocks> so, I wasn't dreaming I tried to remove it already :p
[14:52] <seb128> I've probably got bitten by that a few times as well
[14:59] <oSoMoN> ricotz, that's encouraging
[16:10] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, ping
[16:13] <ricotz> see pm
[16:21] <seb128> ricotz, you maybe better ask on channels, other might be able to help?
[16:22] <ricotz> seb128, it is a very-specific firefox packaging problem which also hit the current 57 build due some late cherry-picking
[16:22] <seb128> k
[16:23] <ricotz> thanks, but honestly you can't help here
[16:23] <seb128> well we are trying to get out of Chris being the only one to look at firefox
[16:23] <seb128> that doesn't work if people ping him only directly
[16:24] <ricotz> I know, this part is more trial and error for me still
[16:24] <ricotz> regarding distro-specific searchplugins patching
[16:26] <ricotz> is there some mass-rebuilding of snaps going on?
[16:27] <ricotz> seb128, ^
[16:45]  * Laney doesn't know of one if there is
[16:49] <kenvandine> ricotz, i've been building a bunch of snaps today :)
[16:49] <kenvandine> all done now though
[17:01] <seb128> ricotz, k
[17:05] <ricotz> kenvandine, ah, I see
[17:39] <chrisccoulson> hi ricotz
[17:39] <chrisccoulson> yeah, I'll take a look at that issue
[17:40] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, I have reverted the corresponding changes https://paste.debian.net/plain/995512
[17:41] <ricotz> but I guess a proper fix to deal with those would be nice
[18:02]  * kenvandine just realized that "snap refresh" will refresh all installed snaps
[18:02] <kenvandine> wished i had discovered that sooner :)
[18:08] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, is this the only change you made compared to the beta branches? https://paste.debian.net/plain/995518
[23:56] <jbicha> robert_ancell: good afternoon
[23:57] <jbicha> we were wondering today/yesterday whether you were going to be doing a gnome-software/artful SRU soon since 3.26.2 was released recently


[00:18] <infinity> Ahh, the best part about sending release announcements is all the useful constructive criticism I get in return:
[00:18] <infinity> "Dear Adam, I am sorry to disturbing you, but i have a problem with
[00:18] <infinity> Gnome, which is as peace of junk and it ruis 18.04 for a long time."
[00:19] <sarnold> I've always said it ruis 18.04 for long time
[00:19] <sarnold> infinity: it's easy to see why so many companies turn to faceless noreply@ addresses :(
[00:20] <infinity> sarnold: I actually get a lot of nice messages too.
[00:21] <sarnold> oh nice :)
[00:21] <infinity> sarnold: There's this 77 year old user who responds to every second or third release announcement with kind words thanking us.
[00:21] <sarnold> aww <3
[15:13] <tomreyn> after a minimal installation of 18.10 with the 'install updates during installation' option left enabled, you end up with this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/k3w6npyNrN/
[15:13] <tomreyn> i had assumed it would apt --purge autoremove and install all pending updates.
[15:14] <tomreyn> is this expected or should i file a bug?
[17:54] <jbicha> tomreyn: please file a bug
[17:54] <jbicha> We can't fix that issue for 18.10 without creating new iso's which we won't be doing, but we can change our test procedures so that the 19.04 release doesn't have that problem
[17:56] <tomreyn> jbicha: can i quote you on this? i expect this bug will otherwise just remain open until 18.10 goes EOL and then get archived / closed.
[17:59] <tomreyn> also, which package would i file against?
[18:00] <tomreyn> ubiquity?
[18:09] <jbicha> tomreyn: could you file against https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests?
[18:10] <jbicha> that's the project that controls what is set in the test case descriptions like in http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/397/builds/182644/testcases
[18:23] <tomreyn> sure, thanks.
[18:40] <tomreyn> this is bug 1798992
[18:52] <jbicha> great, thank you


[19:34] <c7p> hey all
[19:34] <c7p> godbyk: ping
[22:03] <godbyk> c7p: pong
[22:04] <c7p> hey what's up
[22:04] <c7p> we got a minor problem with manual build
[22:05] <c7p> godbyk: i broke things
[22:05] <godbyk> Uh oh.
[22:05] <c7p> moved burning section from hardware to working with ubuntu
[22:05] <godbyk> I'm afraid I got in Hannie's way earlier. :)
[22:05] <c7p> hehe
[22:05] <c7p> can you find the problem ?
[22:06] <c7p> the changes are on the branch
[22:06] <godbyk> Yeah, I'm pulling the latest bzr.  Building now.
[22:07] <godbyk> c7p: It looks like the burning.tex file is missing.
[22:07] <godbyk> c7p: If you have a copy of it, can you add it to the working-with-ubuntu/ dir?
[22:08] <c7p> i forgot to write the add command
[22:08] <c7p> i pushed the change, doe it work ?
[22:09]  * c7p i got to install tex live
[22:09] <godbyk> checking...
[22:10] <godbyk> c7p: I think so. It's finding some other bugs now. Lemme fix these real quick.
[22:11] <godbyk> c7p: Okay, it compiles successfully now.
[22:11] <godbyk> I'll push these fixes.
[22:11] <c7p> oh thx
[22:12] <godbyk> pushed
[22:30] <c7p> godbyk: let's say the material of the manual is ready
[22:30] <c7p> what remains to publish the manual ?
[22:40] <godbyk> Once all the editing is done, I usually make a final editing pass of the manual to reposition margin notes, screenshots, etc.
[22:40] <godbyk> Then I upload it to the ubuntu-manual.org site and lulu.com.
[23:11] <c7p> cool i guess this week or the next one we'll be ready
[23:12] <c7p> good night all
[23:23] <godbyk> g'night, c7p.


[06:54] <flocculant> makes sense to me
[06:56] <knome> what? :P
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[09:54] <knome> ahha
[09:55] <knome> does LP recognize comments left for translators again?
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[11:35] <flocculant> it only recognises them the 3rd time
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[01:36] <ChinnoDog> chirp
[09:45] <rmg51> Morning
[09:59] <JonathanD> hi rmg51
[10:02] <rmg51> o/
[11:22] <scottrigby> hi :)
[12:05] <jedijf> good morning
[12:05] <scottrigby> morning jedijf
[12:17] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[13:29] <ChinnoDog> morning--
[13:51] <teddy-dbear> o/
[14:27] <MutantTurkey> morinn
[14:29] <teddy-dbear> morinn MutantTurkey
[14:36] <MutantTurkey> my Galaxy S III just kicked it yesterday
[14:36] <MutantTurkey> whats the latest and greatest? jedijf any ideas?
[14:37] <MutantTurkey> still have my totally working Galaxy S Captivate... but the SIM card doesn't work
[14:37] <ChinnoDog> S4?
[14:38] <ChinnoDog> The girlfriend has an S4. I'm envious.
[14:38] <MutantTurkey> yeah... but after how poorly the S3 held up
[14:38] <MutantTurkey> I mean did Gorilla Glass take a giant drop in quality?
[14:38] <MutantTurkey> I was actually testing out my original galaxy, hitting it on concrete and stuff
[14:38] <MutantTurkey> and nothing happened
[14:38] <MutantTurkey> so...
[14:39] <MutantTurkey> this s3 is a POS!
[14:44] <ChinnoDog> My S3 seems sturdy to me.
[14:45] <ChinnoDog> MutantTurkey: stop breaking your phone
[14:47] <MutantTurkey> compared to my SI it is not
[14:47] <MutantTurkey> i mean the back is plastic...
[14:47] <MutantTurkey> the phone actually bends when you but torsion on it
[14:50] <ChinnoDog> It survives being in my pocket and has survived a couple concrete drops before I put a massive battery on it. It has barely a scratch.
[14:51] <waltman> MutantTurkey: Wait, you were *intentionally* hitting your phone on concrete just to see what happened?
[14:51] <ChinnoDog> MutantTurkey wants a phone made of adamantium.
[14:54] <waltman> Could Wolverine break a phone made of adamantium?
[14:54] <ChinnoDog> Uncertain. Have you seen the latest Wolverine movie?
[15:00] <waltman> No.
[15:09] <MutantTurkey> yes
[15:09] <MutantTurkey> my old phone
[15:09] <MutantTurkey> and nothing happened
[15:10] <MutantTurkey> no, i just want a phone that is decently strong, made out of not plastic, but something sturdy
[15:10] <MutantTurkey> aluminum maybe
[15:10] <MutantTurkey> with built in shocks inside of it, a screen that is not so thin it breaks (because gorilla glass should be able to stop it)
[15:12] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: i am liking the note
[15:12] <MutantTurkey> is it to large for you?
[15:12] <jedijf> no
[15:13] <jedijf> don't have - am liking/thinking/waiting for note3 at this point
[15:13] <jedijf> son-in-law has note3 and loves it
[15:13] <jedijf> note2
[15:14] <MutantTurkey> hmmm
[15:14] <MutantTurkey> ok
[15:14] <jedijf> bigger is better if you want to /use/ it
[15:14] <jedijf> of just get a flip phone
[15:14] <jedijf> or
[15:19] <MutantTurkey> right
[15:35] <waltman> I still think think the Note is an absurdly big clown phone.
[15:36] <MutantTurkey> fits me
[15:36] <jedijf> it's really not that big
[15:37] <jedijf> my 10 inch tab is a clown phone
[15:37] <jedijf> but i wear the shoes to match, so it works
[15:48] <waltman> I was watching a podcast the other day where someone was wishing he could use the Nexus 7 as his phone.
[15:49] <jedijf> that was me
[15:50] <jedijf> been saying that for a little bit now
[15:50] <waltman> No, it was Leo Laporte on TWiT
[16:45]  * waltman admits to confusing the Galaxy S$n's with Nexus $n's.
[17:19] <adom> MutantTurkey ChinnoDog: just saw the mention of the geeknic. that IS a far drive for ChinnoDog and myself, and there was only a couple days notice :/
[17:20] <adom> i need to login here more often
[17:20] <JonathanD> adom: yeah, it was short notice :P
[17:20] <JonathanD> adom: it amounted to KyleYankan saying "hey wanna have a picnic"
[17:20] <JonathanD> and me saying "sure, lets call it a geeknic and invite everyone"
[17:20] <adom> haha i see
[17:20] <adom> fair enough
[17:20] <JonathanD> it rained
[17:20] <JonathanD> a lot
[17:20] <JonathanD> we'll do it again after fosscon.
[17:20] <adom> :(
[17:20] <JonathanD> adom: coming to fosscon?
[17:21] <adom> when is it?
[17:21] <JonathanD> Aug 10
[17:21] <JonathanD> (quite soon)
[17:24] <KyleYankan> Hah, sorry adom. It was like a 36 hour notice for most people. If that.
[17:26] <adom> is the fosscon up in PA?
[17:27] <JonathanD> adom: Philadelphia
[17:27] <adom> KyleYankan: no worries, like ChinnoDog, i probably couldnt have made the drive anyway
[17:27] <MutantTurkey> nothing is more beautiful than this:
[17:27] <MutantTurkey> Records: 6784715  Deleted: 0  Skipped: 0  Warnings: 0
[17:27] <adom> wow lucky
[17:29] <adom> JonathanD: its enticing. at first i was worried about the drive but i see its about 3hrs from me.
[17:29] <adom> im still not going to say its likely, but im going to say its possible
[17:30] <adom> if ChinnoDog happens to go, maybe ill be more likely to go. we really should meet finally, since we now live like, 40 minutes apart from each other. >.<
[18:14] <MutantTurkey> tfmaybe I should get an iPhone
[18:14] <MutantTurkey> i have been resisting so hard
[18:16] <adom> guys, remind me what irc command sends in-channel private messages? am i stupid?
[18:17] <pleia2> /msg nickname hi
[18:17] <pleia2> I assume that's what you mean
[18:18] <pleia2> "in-channel" and "private messages" are two different things, but you seem to know how to send messages in channel :)
[18:18] <adom> for a second i thought there was a command that shows a private message only in the channel you choose, rather than a PM.
[18:18] <adom> alas, twas a theme setting of mine playing tricks on my eyes.
[18:18]  * adom blushes.
[18:18] <pleia2> where private messages show up depends on your client
[18:18] <pleia2> (some people choose to have them show up inline in a channel)
[18:19] <adom> it was just that someone was mentioning me, so the hilight settings for my theme made that line look different in the channel and i thought [for some reason] that only i could see it
[18:19] <pleia2> ah
[18:19]  * adom is dum.
[18:21] <adom> man, if you ever forget how unforgiving IRC users are, just join a highly populated channel and ask a simple question.
[18:22] <adom> well, i got my answer so back to work :(
[18:22] <adom> ill try to login here more often
[18:22]  * adom waves.
[18:24] <MutantTurkey> cya!
[18:25] <jedijf> adom: msg me
[18:25] <jedijf> :P
[19:02] <waltman> MutantTurkey: iphones are awesome!
[19:03] <waltman> And if you splurge for AppleCare, they'll replace it if you drop it, so you don't have to worry concrete!
[19:03] <ChinnoDog> How many times will they replace it?
[19:04] <waltman> An excellent question!
[19:04] <waltman> I don't know, because I've never gotten AppleCare on a phone
[19:05] <MutantTurkey> i wouldn't waste money on any extended things
[19:05] <MutantTurkey> they are easy money for most companies
[19:05] <teddy-dbear> leave it to a turkey to try to smash a phone
[19:05] <MutantTurkey> 'perpetually afraid of thanksgiving'
[19:05] <waltman> I think it's a good deal for the laptops because there are all sorts of things than can fail, and they're all expensive to fix.
[19:10] <JonathanD> I always had it on my laptops, where it included the tech coming out onsite to fix the thing.
[19:10] <JonathanD> This has been nice because you're back up in a day if something breaks.
[19:11] <waltman> It's really nice to be able to bring the box into the apple store and say "fix it!"
[19:13] <waltman> They replaced a faulty screen and battery in my macbook.
[19:13] <waltman> They also fixed up the mess I made of the bottom cover when I upgraded the ram to 8 gb.
[19:15] <KyleYankan> "Those screwriver scratches? Came like that"
[19:15] <ChinnoDog> hehe
[19:16] <MutantTurkey> "your easily worn off warranty sticker is broken? no sorry wecan't service that
[19:16] <MutantTurkey> your battery water indicator is purple even though it was kept in a watersafe container placed in a sealed vault for the entirety of its life, whilst next to a dehumidifier? sorry we can't service that.
[19:17] <KyleYankan> I recently dropped my phone in a puddle for ~10 min. Sticker is still white.... not sure if it's a trap....
[19:22] <jedijf> MutantTurkey doens't need a warranty/guarantee he's opening a repair business
[19:22] <jedijf> repair my doesn't
[19:22] <waltman> It's REALLY difficult to take the bottom cover of a Macbook off and on without messing up the rubber coating on it.
[19:23] <waltman> Also getting the tiny screws all lined up properly is damn near impossible
[19:24] <jedijf> AppleCare sell Koolaid?
[19:24] <waltman> I'm sort of glad the newer models are designed to not be opened. It removes the temptation to do so :)
[19:25] <jedijf> hammer
[19:26] <pleia2> my laptops don't tend to break
[19:26] <KyleYankan> pleia2: then you're not tinkering enough
[19:26] <waltman> It's more that parts of them break :)
[19:26] <waltman> Also I was taking this on the train every single day.
[19:27] <waltman> Nowdays it gets to stay home most days, and I just bring in the much lighter iPad. :)
[19:27] <pleia2> my secret is not buying mac+applecare, but buying cheapo x86 laptops that last forever
[19:27] <pleia2> my netbook has been all over the world with me, 4.5 years with no issues
[19:28]  * pleia2 toss in purse
[19:28] <waltman> Do you have one of those Linux laptops that require a reboot every time you try to connect them to a projector? :)
[19:28] <pleia2> nope, all mine work great with projectors
[19:28] <pleia2> I loan mine to mac people who forget their dongles :)
[19:30] <waltman> Meanwhile I'm still trying to convince my boss I can do a presentation in Powerpoint on my Mac, and that I don't want/need a Surface :)
[19:32] <jedijf> pleia2: did you find your way home or are you still in the office?
[19:32] <pleia2> jedijf: found my way home!
[19:32] <jedijf> :)
[19:33] <pleia2> we didn't get home until 10PM or so and I was all *so tired* and mjoseph was like "you know I do this every day, right?"
[19:33] <jedijf> ha
[19:33] <waltman> pleia2: Wait, you have an office in SF and you work from home?
[19:33] <pleia2> waltman: no, palo alto
[19:33] <waltman> Or is it way down in the valley?
[19:34] <waltman> aha
[19:34] <pleia2> not my office, I'm badge for sunnyvale
[19:34] <waltman> PA's nice from what I remember.
[19:34] <pleia2> badged
[19:34] <pleia2> PA is very nice ($$$$)
[19:34] <waltman> pleia2: Tell them they need to bring back their RPN calculators :)
[19:34] <JonathanD> Title for this position: FTP Specialist
[19:34] <pleia2> lol
[19:34] <JonathanD> Doing FTP full time doesn't sound very fund.
[19:34] <JonathanD> fun
[19:34] <JonathanD> how is that even a job?
[19:34] <jedijf> btw, isn't that Buffy's hometown? Where you are badged.
[19:35] <KyleYankan> JonathanD: We have one at QVC.
[19:35] <JonathanD> heh
[19:35] <pleia2> jedijf: alas no, that's sunnydale
[19:35] <pleia2> near LA
[19:35] <JonathanD> KyleYankan: is he/she being replaced...?
[19:35] <ChinnoDog> HP48 ftw
[19:35] <KyleYankan> JonathanD: I dont think so, but he does need to take some Vaca, dude it here waaay too much. He ahs no backup, so when a FTP job goes down, we're supposed to contact him. 24/7/365
[19:35] <JonathanD> KyleYankan: and what does he/she do... upload and download things all day?
[19:36] <ChinnoDog> I run an HP48 emulator on my phone as my calculator.
[19:36] <waltman> I have an old HP 11C that's going on 30 years old and still works great.
[19:36] <JonathanD> KyleYankan: maybe his is more involved
[19:36] <JonathanD> this descript is just... funny
[19:39] <pleia2> waltman: oh, and there are a couple sf offices but one is snapfish and another is sales or something (they don't let engineers in)
[19:39] <waltman> :(
[19:39] <waltman> that's a lot of offices
[19:39] <pleia2> yeah, there are like a zillion
[19:40] <pleia2> the one in sunnyvale is cool, old palm building that looks out over Moffett air field
[19:40] <pleia2> not cool enough for me to actually go to it though
[19:41] <waltman> Do they at least have free lunch?
[19:41] <pleia2> hah, no
[19:41] <pleia2> yesterday I was like "oh, cafeteria, do I need money?" "yes"
[19:42] <waltman> How quaint!
[19:43] <waltman> Was it actually possible to pay with cash, or do you need to use paypal or nfc or suchlike?
[19:43] <pleia2> can use cash
[19:44] <JonathanD> payapl? wouldn't it at least be google wallet?
[19:44] <waltman> At HP?
[19:45] <JonathanD> oh
[19:45] <waltman> Bitcoin!
[19:45] <JonathanD> nevermind :P
[19:45] <JonathanD> bitcoin!
[19:45] <waltman> pleia2: Did you realize this early enough that you could do some quick mining on your laptop on the way down? :)
[19:46] <pleia2> lol
[19:46] <JonathanD> I don't think "quick mining" is a thing.
[19:46] <JonathanD> Certainly not on anything portable.
[19:46] <pleia2> google's cafeterias don't take google wallet either, but that's because the food there is free ;)
[19:46] <pleia2> they probably take it in their on site shop
[19:46] <waltman> Whose food is better -- HP's or Googles?
[19:47] <pleia2> certainly more selection at Google, but I quite enjoyed my taco salad yesterday


[18:01] <canthus13> paultag: The Game.
[18:01] <paultag> canthus13: fffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[18:54] <thafreak> bastards
[18:55] <thafreak> so anyone try out ubuntu business desktop remix?
[18:55] <thafreak> also, anyone else having trouble with flash not working on 12.04?
[18:56] <thafreak> it might just some how be my one really old laptop...it just stopped working out of the blue
[18:56]  * canthus13 hasn't even tried out ubuntu since 10.10
[18:56] <thafreak> it was running 10.04, stopped working, installed 12.04 on it, still can't get flash to work
[18:56] <thafreak> canthus13: then what the hell you doing here?
[18:56] <thafreak> :-P
[18:57] <canthus13> thafreak: Hoping they'll regain their sanity at some point and ditch this unity crap.
[18:57] <thafreak> i doubt it man
[18:58] <thafreak> i'm trying to like it...but i still like gnome3 vanilla better :/
[18:58] <thafreak> oh well, desktops not that important to my life honestly :)
[18:59]  * canthus13 likes gnome 3... there are some bits that suck, but overall it's not bad.
[20:36] <thafreak> bleh, business desktop is still the same desktop installer
[20:36] <thafreak> so no full disk crypto
[20:36] <thafreak> lame
[21:36] <canthus13> crypto makes it difficult to upgrade. :/
[21:36] <canthus13> or reinstall, anyway.
[23:16] <dzho> I'm also suspicious of full-disk lending aid to a known-plaintext attack, but when I ask about that, I usually get silence or people who say "well, yes, that would be a problem if it was susceptible to such an attack, but it's not"
[23:17] <dzho> I find the latter a bit hard to credit.


[00:04] <kim0> smoser: hi o/ .. someone facing an ec2 image error, let me know any thoughts you may have and I'll relay http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1748533
[00:07] <flaccid> Kyle__: google
[03:34]  * Heartsbane curses euca_conf because it took him a half hour to figure out how to swap nodes.
[03:34] <Heartsbane> :|
[03:35] <julian_c> Auto-detecting the nodes, or setting them manually?
[03:35] <Heartsbane> manually
[03:35] <Heartsbane> I had one with bad credentials too
[03:37] <julian_c> How many NCs in your setup?
[03:37] <Heartsbane> 2 but my boss gave me a bigger blade and took my old :(
[03:39] <Heartsbane> which meant I need reconfigure for 2 blades and well it is fixed now... I going to have a beer
[03:39] <julian_c> Enjoy.
[08:10] <shahid_> hi
[08:10] <shahid_> I am not able to mount  the volume which is created from snapshot
[08:11] <flaccid> sorry to hear that shahid_ , whats the problem?
[08:11] <shahid_> getting this error at the time mounting "mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1,"
[08:11] <flaccid> it means what it means
[08:11] <flaccid> is it formatted?
[08:12] <shahid_> no
[08:13] <flaccid> you can't mount something that is not formatted
[08:13] <shahid_> I can mount if I format it
[08:13] <shahid_> but its a snapshot volume. If format it I will loose my data.
[08:14] <flaccid> look at fdisk -l
[08:14] <flaccid> you will see the partitions
[08:14] <shahid_> fdisk -l output : /dev/sdb1               1       51200    52428784   83  Linux
[08:14] <flaccid> what command are you using to mount
[08:15] <shahid_> sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /data
[08:16] <shahid_> This is the syslog error : "XT4-fs (sdb1): bad geometry: block count 13107196 exceeds size of device (10485756 blocks)"
[08:16] <shahid_> EXT4-fs
[08:16] <flaccid> thats your problem for sure
[08:17] <flaccid> try an fsck /dev/sdb1
[08:18] <shahid_> Getting the bellow error
[08:19] <shahid_> fsck.ext4: Can't read an block bitmap while retrying to read bitmaps for /dev/sdb1
[08:19] <shahid_> e2fsck: aborted
[08:21] <flaccid> looks like the part is screwd in some way
[08:22] <flaccid> try another restore from snap to a new to vol to check if the vol creation was the prob or not
[08:24] <shahid_> tried 4,5 times getting same error
[08:24] <flaccid> part and/or fs is screwd in the snap
[08:35] <shahid_> flassid: I reduced the size of the volume when I created volume from the snapshot. Is that the problem
[08:35] <flaccid> not if it fits inside gemoetry which in this case it may not have
[08:38] <shahid_> ok,
[08:50] <shahid_> flaccid: fixed the problem
[08:51] <flaccid> sweet, what you do?
[08:51] <shahid_> flaccid: we cannot reduce size of the volume. When I increased the size it worked
[08:52] <flaccid> hmm maybe i'm wrong and you can only increase
[08:52] <flaccid> yeah would make sense considering its an image
[08:52] <flaccid> yeah sorry, its a disk map so as long as the volume is big enough it will fit
[08:53] <shahid_> flaccid: yes
[08:53] <flaccid> rsync between volumes to go to small volume; then snap
[08:53] <flaccid> my bad on that one; long day
[08:54] <shahid_> flaccid: ok, Thanks for your time & cooperation
[08:54] <flaccid> np
[10:04] <shahid_> flaccid: I am facing on e problem
[10:05] <shahid_> created new volume (60GB) from snapshot but but after mounting it is showing 50GB(size of snapshot)
[10:06] <shahid_> insted of 60Gb
[10:06] <shahid_> executed sudo resize2fs -f /dev/sdb1
[12:49] <smoser> hallyn, you have a pastebin of that or something ?
[14:20] <hallyn> smoser: is there a simple way to create a ramdisk eri without installing the kernel .deb?
[14:20] <smoser> hallyn, no.
[14:21] <hallyn> guess i'd just have to hack on mkinitrd a bit
[14:21] <hallyn> ok, thanks.
[14:21] <smoser> well, yah, mkinitrd would do it.
[14:21] <smoser> but that assumes you have /lib/modules/<uname> and such
[14:22] <hallyn> right, i'd want to hack mkinitrd to take an alternative directory as argument
[14:22] <hallyn> so i can dpkg -x kernel.deb  and then pass x/lib/modues to mkinitrd
[14:22] <hallyn> not really worth it :)
[14:23] <smoser> hallyn, i looked into doing that once
[14:23] <smoser> and basically gave up
[14:23] <smoser> :)
[17:08] <koolhead17> hi all
[17:10] <kim0> o/
 hey guys
 I have a few questions
 first all diskspace of all nodes is used and managed by the walrus controller or?
 and second: I can't run images using hybridfox
 it always returns an error
 runinstance error or bucket error
 *createvloume
[17:56] <scalability-junk> *createvolume
[17:58] <kim0> scalability-junk: hi, not really, each instance has its own internal storage. Walrus provides an s3 like key-value store. And the StorageController (SC) provides mountable volumes over the network
[17:59] <scalability-junk> but walrus storage is just available to the node running eucalyptus-walrus?
[17:59] <scalability-junk> hi btw
[18:03] <obino> the NC will use the local disk space as cache and for the instance store
[18:04] <obino> the SC provides EBS supports to the instances
[18:04] <obino> and Walrus provides S3 API (get-put interface)
[18:04] <obino> those are 3 different kind of storage available to the insstance
[18:05] <obino> typically the component (W, SC and NC) will use the local disk as directed by the cloud administrator
[18:05] <scalability-junk> ah ok
[18:05] <obino> and for hybridfox: which version are you running?
[18:05] <scalability-junk> the latest
[18:05] <obino> version?
[18:06] <scalability-junk> 1.7.000047
[18:07] <obino> I have not tried but it should work: do you get errors for each command?
[18:07] <scalability-junk> for creating an instance i get imageverify error and EC2 responded with an error for RunInstances
[18:08] <obino> and you are sure you are pointing hybridfox to your Eucalyptus cloud and not EC2?
[18:08] <scalability-junk> and for s3: EC2 responded with an error for createvolume and nothing else is shown
[18:08] <scalability-junk> yeah
[18:08] <scalability-junk> I can see my security group
[18:09] <scalability-junk> + my downloaded images from the store
[18:14] <scalability-junk> I don't know why its not working
[18:25] <scalability-junk> any suggestions obino?
[18:34] <obino> scalability-junk: I'm still confused if you are talking with Eucalyptus or EC2
[18:34] <obino> did you change the endpoint if you use eucalyptus?
[18:35] <obino> if command line works, you are probably missing a step
[18:35] <scalability-junk> the endpoint url?
[18:35] <scalability-junk> yeah
[18:36] <obino> hmm .. not sure then. Hybridfox works pretty well for me
[18:36] <scalability-junk> mh damn
[18:36] <obino> which version of Eucalyptus or UEC are you using?
[18:36] <scalability-junk> firefox 4?
[18:36] <scalability-junk> 10.10
[18:37] <obino> I'm still on firefox 3
[18:37] <obino> not sure if that is an issue though
[18:37] <scalability-junk> let's try
[18:43] <scalability-junk> seems to be my uec installation
[18:43] <scalability-junk> thanks
[18:53] <obino> scalability-junk: what is the problem?
[19:01] <kim0> Hi everyone
[19:01] <kim0> Welcome to the weekly Ensemble cloud community meeting
[19:01] <kim0> jimbaker: Can you get us started please
[19:01] <jimbaker> kim0, sounds good
[19:02] <jimbaker> the team is preparing for our budapest milestone. you can see our current progress here: http://people.canonical.com/~niemeyer/budapest.html
[19:02] <niemeyer> Hi there!
[19:03] <kim0> Hey
[19:03] <jimbaker> some of these bugs in uncategorized should not be there, btw. however, the other columns reflect the current progress
[19:03] <di3gopa> :)
[19:03] <kim0> jimbaker: can you comment on what has been accomplished since last meeting ?
[19:03] <kim0> di3gopa: hi there
[19:04] <jimbaker> kim0, i think the highlight for me was reestablishing the stability of ensemble.
[19:04] <jimbaker> this was somewhat confounded by the AWS outage
[19:05] <kim0> I remember back then, you were trying to get Ensemble running in multiple regions ?
[19:05] <jimbaker> however, it was more of an issue of keeping our dependencies current, in particular as i recall, the python zookeeper bindings
[19:05] <kim0> CurtisElgin: Hi
[19:05] <jimbaker> once that was fixed, we were able to see multiregion support, which is now in trunk
[19:06] <kim0> jimbaker: so right now .. we do have multi-region support
[19:06] <jimbaker> kim0, correct
[19:06] <kim0> how can I launch in eu-west for example
[19:06] <jimbaker> kim0, yes
[19:06] <kim0> what do I need to do that ?
[19:07] <jimbaker> kim0, you need to specify the region setting in environments.yaml
[19:08] <kim0> Okay sounds good
[19:08] <kim0> that's great .. so we're liberated from us-east now
[19:08] <kim0> Amazon can fail all they want now
[19:08] <kim0> jimbaker: anything else to add
[19:08] <jimbaker> by default it is us-east-1, but you can specify other regions like us-west-1, etc
[19:08] <jimbaker> i will see if i can dig up the comprehensive list
[19:09] <jimbaker> kim0, progress is also being made on the following issues:
[19:09] <jimbaker> 1. automatic dependency resolution of services
[19:09] <jimbaker> 2. service configuration settings
[19:10] <jimbaker> 3. exposing of ports, so we can move away from the current "all ports are open" firewall policy
[19:10] <kim0> these features are not merged into trunk yet, right ?
[19:11] <jimbaker> kim0, some of the supporting functionality for 2 and 3 is now merged into trunk, but not yet the full functionality
[19:11] <jimbaker> the team is working hard on 2 and 3 to see that they are available at budapest
[19:11] <kim0> great!
[19:11] <jimbaker> we will all be there at UDS
[19:11] <kim0> awesome
[19:12] <kim0> jimbaker: thanks a lot
[19:12] <kim0> switching to hazmat
[19:12] <jimbaker> kim0, thanks for giving me the floor
[19:12] <kim0> anything to add?
[19:12] <kim0> jimbaker: you covered everything right ?
[19:12] <kim0> like the whole team :)
[19:13] <jimbaker> kim0, that should have been the highlights for everybody, but i'm sure bcsaller and hazmat can add more to the discussion
[19:13] <kim0> cool .. throwing the ball to hazmat first
[19:13] <kim0> anything to add here
[19:13]  * hazmat ponders
[19:14]  * kim0 waves at everyone
[19:14] <niemeyer> kim0: I think that was good coverage as far as current activity goes
[19:14] <kim0> Anyone with questions or comments about Ensemble
[19:14] <kim0> sounds good
[19:14] <kim0> great progress indeed
[19:14] <niemeyer> We're really focused on having something good for UDS now
[19:14] <kim0> Yes that makes sense
[19:14] <niemeyer> We hope that past UDS we should have a stable release with those features in a more consumable fashion
[19:15] <kim0> niemeyer: are we having dedicated ensemble uds sessions
[19:15] <kim0> I think I only spotted one
[19:15] <jimbaker> kim0, here are the currently supported regions: us-east-1, us-west-1, eu-west-1, ap-northeast-1, ap-southeast-1
[19:16] <kim0> jimbaker: I think that's all the regions that exist :)
[19:17] <kim0> Anyone new or having questions this time ? please say hi or ask your question
[19:17] <jimbaker> kim0, sounds good then! next up will be covering availability zones, but we need to have a better process for that (too manual at this point)
[19:18] <kim0> jimbaker: an Ensemble formula however all lives inside on region correct
[19:18] <kim0> one*
[19:18] <jimbaker> kim0, we only support ensemble at this time in one region
[19:18] <kim0> With the ec2 failure, many are considering spreading out their deployments
[19:18] <jimbaker> an obvious thing for us to support is doing this across availability zones (where the latency is low)
[19:19] <kim0> Yeah
[19:19] <kim0> Awesome
[19:19] <jimbaker> and then across regions. however high latency between regions makes that not desirable with zookeeper, which is a foundational technology for ensemble
[19:19] <kim0> - open floor -
[19:19] <kim0> Any questions or comments from anyone is welcome
[19:20] <kim0> jimbaker: Thanks for all the info :)
[19:20] <kim0> looking forward to see'ing the whole team at UDS
[19:20] <jimbaker> there are some current patches for zookeeper, plus ongoing discussion, that may allow for zookeeper to support what we need to do that, via a delegated model
[19:20] <kim0> that's good to know
[19:21] <jimbaker> see https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ZOOKEEPER-892 for the true bleeding edge :)
[19:21] <kim0> hehe :)
[19:22] <kim0> Okie
[19:22] <kim0> I think that's all
[19:22] <kim0> thanks everyone!
[19:23] <kim0> MennaEssa: Hi there
[19:27] <kim0> MennaEssa: Hi again :)
[19:28] <kim0> di3gopa: hi there .. first time around here?
[20:02] <lifesf> hi,... i've been looking all over the net and I cannot seem to find answers to my question.. this is the first time I try cloud and I am completely stuck here euca-run-instances my instance never changes away from pending,.. yesterday one had quit and that was it
[20:09] <lifesf> It seems the more i look the more confused i'm becoming concerning all of this... i got an account on rightscale, the node and controller detect each other, downloaded an image,... and stuck there