[17:30] <xivulon> hey jono congrats for your album! although not my style, the whole thing is way too cool!
[17:30] <jono> thanks xivulon :)
[17:32] <xivulon> as mentioned in the past I am 1 click away to launch the wubi banner campaign
[17:33] <xivulon> here is the announcemente text: http://paste.ubuntu.com/62081/
[17:33] <xivulon> comments welcome
[17:34] <xivulon> The whole thing is quite disorganized, and I made a promise about prizes for the top 3, I hope canonical will back me up there :)
[17:51] <xivulon> well I take that as a go ahead, hoping that someone somewhere will provide the top 3 prizes...
[17:55] <xivulon> here we go: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=957543
[17:57] <xivulon> jono what about an album of yours :) ^
[17:58] <jono> xivulon, could you mail me about this?
[22:14] <Lorelei-> evening all, was just thinking about the Spreadubuntu query that's flying around about the use of the Ubuntu symbol on promotional materials. In terms of the t-shirts if we're not selling them do we need to ask for permission? Surely if its just for volunteers etc we don't ??


[00:05] <vorlon> QUEUEBOT
[00:08] <vorlon> Restart=always :P
[00:09] <vorlon> bdmurray, ginggs: there are libtimezone and ubiquity uploads in the queue for review
[00:16] <liushuyu> Eickmeyer: I am unsure if Ubuntu Studio accepts the localizations for the installer slideshow, but here is the MP: https://code.launchpad.net/~liushuyu-011/ubuntustudio-default-settings/+git/ubuntustudio-default-settings/+merge/463850
[00:17] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu: THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! 😊
[00:17] <Eickmeyer> I'll merge and upload when I get back to my system. Getting dinner with the in-laws.
[00:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: s390-tools-signed (noble-proposed/main) [2.31.0-0ubuntu1 => 2.31.0-0ubuntu4] (core)
[00:41] <mwhudson> ^ i think that's all it needs
[00:41] <sarnold> wb queuebot
[00:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libtimezonemap [source] (noble-proposed) [0.4.6-6ubuntu1]
[00:49] <vorlon> hmm in principle I *like* what update-i386-whitelist is showing me, I just don't *trust* it
[00:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted s390-tools-signed [source] (noble-proposed) [2.31.0-0ubuntu4]
[00:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubiquity [source] (noble-proposed) [24.04.4]
[00:52] <vorlon> and the last 2 britney runs now have died on a rabbitmq reset, sigh
[01:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: 54 entries have been added or removed
[01:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted openvswitch [source] (noble-proposed) [3.3.0-1ubuntu1]
[01:50] <vorlon> bah why does ubiquity ftbfs when it built for me here
[01:51] <vorlon> ah because it's trying to build against the old libtimezonemap with libsoup2
[02:01] <arraybolt3> ubuntu-release: heads-up, need calamares-settings-ubuntu let through to fix a critical Kubuntu installation failure. Should show up in unapproved in a second, I just uploaded it.
[02:01] <arraybolt3> (I did not file a bug report for the issue, but it results in installation failing unconditionally.)
[02:02] <arraybolt3> gah, wait, someone uploaded the same version i'm trying for???
[02:08] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: calamares-settings-ubuntu (noble-proposed/universe) [1:24.04.23 => 1:24.04.24] (lubuntu, ubuntustudio)
[02:08] <arraybolt3> ^ alright it came through this time
[02:09] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: bcmatroska2 (noble-proposed/universe) [5.2.0-2build2 => 5.2.0-2build3] (no packageset)
[02:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted bcmatroska2 [source] (noble-proposed) [5.2.0-2build3]
[02:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: belle-sip (noble-proposed/universe) [5.2.0+dfsg-3.1build2 => 5.2.0+dfsg-3.1build3] (no packageset)
[02:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: bzrtp (noble-proposed/universe) [5.2.0-2ubuntu3 => 5.2.0-2ubuntu4] (kubuntu)
[02:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: belcard (noble-proposed/universe) [5.2.0-2build2 => 5.2.0-2build3] (no packageset)
[02:11] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: belr (noble-proposed/universe) [5.2.0-2build2 => 5.2.0-2build3] (no packageset)
[02:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted belcard [source] (noble-proposed) [5.2.0-2build3]
[02:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted belr [source] (noble-proposed) [5.2.0-2build3]
[02:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted belle-sip [source] (noble-proposed) [5.2.0+dfsg-3.1build3]
[02:22] <vorlon> arraybolt3: approved
[02:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted calamares-settings-ubuntu [source] (noble-proposed) [1:24.04.24]
[02:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ukui-media (noble-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-2build5 => <IP_ADDRESS>-1] (ubuntukylin) (sync)
[02:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: casparcg-server (noble-proposed/multiverse) [2.3.3+dfsg-3.2 => 2.3.3+dfsg-3.2build1] (no packageset)
[02:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gr-osmosdr (noble-proposed/universe) [0.2.5-2.1build2 => 0.2.5-2.1build3] (no packageset)
[02:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cryfs (noble-proposed/universe) [0.11.4-1build4 => 0.11.4-1build5] (kubuntu)
[02:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libpwiz (noble-proposed/universe) [3.0.18342-4.1build2 => 3.0.18342-4.1build3] (no packageset)
[02:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted casparcg-server [source] (noble-proposed) [2.3.3+dfsg-3.2build1]
[02:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libpwiz [source] (noble-proposed) [3.0.18342-4.1build3]
[02:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libpwizlite (noble-proposed/universe) [3.0.5-2.1build2 => 3.0.5-2.1build3] (no packageset)
[02:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gr-osmosdr [source] (noble-proposed) [0.2.5-2.1build3]
[02:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: uhd (noble-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>+ds1-5.1build3 => <IP_ADDRESS>+ds1-5.1build4] (no packageset)
[02:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libeatmydata (noble-proposed/main) [131-1build1 => 131-1ubuntu1] (core, i386-whitelist)
[02:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ukui-control-center (noble-proposed/universe) [<IP_ADDRESS>-2ubuntu2 => <IP_ADDRESS>-1] (ubuntukylin) (sync)
[02:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libeatmydata [source] (noble-proposed) [131-1ubuntu1]
[02:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected libeatmydata [source] (noble-proposed) [131-1ubuntu1]
[02:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libpwizlite [source] (noble-proposed) [3.0.5-2.1build3]
[02:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted uhd [source] (noble-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>+ds1-5.1build4]
[02:53] <fossfreedom_> ubuntu-archive please allow livecd-rootfs to make its way into the release pocket before the spins ... ubuntu budgie needs this to have something that can actually install.  Cheers
[02:54] <dbungert> fossfreedom_: if for some reason that doesn't happen, I was able to identify a workaround and listed that on the bug.  Hopefully not necessary.
[03:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntustudio-default-settings (noble-proposed/universe) [24.04.24 => 24.04.25] (ubuntustudio)
[03:31] <Eickmeyer> ubuntu-release: ^ fixes a script error and gives the installer zh-CN localization to the slideshow (thanks to liushuyu!).
[03:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted bzrtp [source] (noble-proposed) [5.2.0-2ubuntu4]
[03:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ukui-media [sync] (noble-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1]
[03:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted cryfs [source] (noble-proposed) [0.11.4-1build5]
[03:48] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ukui-control-center [sync] (noble-proposed) [<IP_ADDRESS>-1]
[03:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntustudio-default-settings [source] (noble-proposed) [24.04.25]
[03:55] <doko> mwhudson, vorlon: gcc-14-cross: britney not being able to handle binary packages with the same name from different source packages. I promoted these packages, but somebody keeps demoting these
[04:07] <vorlon> doko: I only demote things that show up on https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/component-mismatches-proposed.html and https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/component-mismatches.html both
[04:20] <vorlon> hrm so java-atk-wrapper is hinted for inclusion on i386; openjdk-23-testsupport is built on i386 and depends on libatk-wrapper-java-jni; if I drop java-atk-wrapper from the script, it wants to be removed from the whitelist...
[04:23] <vorlon> boo, isn't the bot supposed to tell us about image builds being available on the beta milestone?
[04:25] <tsimonq2> Just showed up Matrix-side *shrug* :)
[04:33] <vorlon> x13s image still fails with references to linux-laptop, gonna have to rev livecd-rootfs for that
[04:34] <vorlon> hmm but linux-laptop-23.10 does exist in noble
[04:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: livecd-rootfs (noble-proposed/main) [24.04.59 => 24.04.60] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist)
[04:38] <vorlon> bdmurray, ginggs: ^ to be accepted only after current livecd-rootfs clears
[04:38] <vorlon> yay, openmpi hint worked, just got the accept messages
[04:39] <vorlon> so that's openmpi+pmix+opencv+vtk9, which should unblock krita installability
[04:39] <vorlon> and should also unblock mathgl and make 3depict installable, to slowly work our way down https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/noble_uninst.txt
[04:42] <vorlon> hmmmm maybe 7 days is long enough for a package to be trying to build on arm64 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acl2/8.5dfsg-5build3/+build/27996988
[04:42] <vorlon> oh except it hasn't hit an idle timeout, it's really still building?
[04:43] <vorlon> that's... unhealthy
[04:48] <dbungert> the previous build looks speedy at 15.5 hrs
[05:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: epic4 (noble-proposed/universe) [1:2.10.10-1build7 => 1:2.10.10-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[05:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted epic4 [source] (noble-proposed) [1:2.10.10-1ubuntu1]
[05:37] <tsimonq2> Ubuntu Unity's ISO was broken on Feb 29th by a gnome-session upload, which removed support for sessions passing either --builtin or --systemd, now forces the latter to my understanding. Only affects the unity-session binary (which is in Universe). Tested, uploading. Happy to explain further if needed.
[05:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-session (noble-proposed/main) [46.0-1ubuntu2 => 46.0-1ubuntu3] (ubuntu-desktop)
[06:14] <fossfreedom_> tsimonq2 unity could use probably budgie-session that is a fork of gnome-session that retain the builtin stuff.
[06:34] <tsimonq2> fossfreedom_: That's great to know, I think rs2009 should be made aware. That being said, the Unity startup is mostly systemdified already, so I'll leave that switch up to rs2009 unless you foresee issues with not using --builtin with Unity.
[07:15] <juliank> vorlon: ah sorry it seems I did upload build-essential that also can be dropped from proposed and teste
[07:16] <juliank> The handful of meta packages that are arch: any are quite annoying
[07:31] <juliank> ubuntu-archive: please remove build-essential and java-common from proposed
[07:32] <juliank> ubuntu-archive please also drop ["init-system-helpers/1.66ubuntu2"]
[07:32] <juliank> That's the trigger but you get the idea
[07:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: shadow (noble-proposed/main) [1:4.13+dfsg1-4ubuntu2 => 1:4.13+dfsg1-4ubuntu3] (core, i386-whitelist)
[07:35] <juliank> Next time I know, I'll just check if the package has any library dependency
[07:35] <juliank> Or presumably I should have rebuilt only those depending on libc6
[07:35] <juliank> That would have been best
[07:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: strace (noble-proposed/main) [6.6-0ubuntu2 => 6.8-0ubuntu1] (core, i386-whitelist)
[07:37] <juliank> Who's uploading new major release or strace in beta freeze 🥶
[07:39] <juliank> Ah well it ftbfs everywhere and needs to match the kernel version or something
[07:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ghdl (noble-proposed/universe) [4.0.0+dfsg-0ubuntu4 => 4.0.0+dfsg-0ubuntu5] (no packageset)
[07:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ghdl [source] (noble-proposed) [4.0.0+dfsg-0ubuntu5]
[07:42] <juliank> ubuntu-archive also RM boost-defaults from proposed, sorry
[07:45] <juliank> Total list: build-essential java-common init-system-helpers boost-defaults
[07:46] <tsimonq2> Xubuntu is getting a warning about the executable being untrusted when launching their installer. I've fixed this in casper, uploaded it to the queue, and pushed to Git. Waiting to tag until acceptance.
[07:47] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: casper (noble-proposed/main) [1.495build1 => 1.496] (desktop-core)
[07:56] <sil2100> tsimonq2: o/
[08:00] <sil2100> Okay, I think this is good. I don't know if checking for xfdesktop is 'the way', but I suppose it might
[08:00] <sil2100> Accepting
[08:01] <sil2100> Checking gnome-session as well
[08:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted casper [source] (noble-proposed) [1.496]
[08:16] <tsimonq2> sil2100: casper> thank you :)
[08:18] <tsimonq2> I also just uploaded calamares-settings-ubuntu, which fixes some edge cases and slight UX hiccups we've ran into over the course of our recent testing.
[08:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: calamares-settings-ubuntu (noble-proposed/universe) [1:24.04.24 => 1:24.04.25] (lubuntu, ubuntustudio)
[08:31] <sil2100> tsimonq2: gnome-session looked good, accepted! Checking the calamares one ;)
[08:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-session [source] (noble-proposed) [46.0-1ubuntu3]
[08:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted livecd-rootfs [source] (noble-proposed) [24.04.60]
[08:33] <juliank> sil2100: Should I build a list of triggers for all my no-change uploads such that we can move them to huge queues, so the normal ones free up?
[08:35] <sil2100> juliank: removed the above packages o/
[08:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted calamares-settings-ubuntu [source] (noble-proposed) [1:24.04.25]
[08:37] <jamespage> I'm still seeing some installability issues with packages on i386 - this is from manila (https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xzbsDkvbc2/) which uses mysql-server
[08:38] <jamespage> is it acceptable to mark those as known bad and not in regression?
[08:39] <tsimonq2> sil2100: Thank you so much :D
[08:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: s390-tools-signed (noble-proposed/main) [2.31.0-0ubuntu4 => 2.31.0-0ubuntu5] (core)
[08:42] <jamespage> same on glance as well
[08:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: s390-tools (noble-proposed/main) [2.31.0-0ubuntu4 => 2.31.0-0ubuntu5] (core)
[08:45] <doko> sil2100: please could you remove the queued tests on the removed packages as well? it's a substantial amount
[08:45] <schopin> qa-help: ^
[08:46] <schopin> I'm not sure Lukasz has the access needed to dequeue tests.
[08:46] <sil2100> Yeah, +1 on that, but I did not do that before so possibly best for the QA/release team to handle
[08:46] <juliank> Those have been dropped already
[08:46] <sil2100> ...and solved
[08:47] <juliank> I have compiled a regular expression for all my no-change uploads in the normal queues to move them to huge
[08:47] <schopin> sil2100: now could you perhaps handle the s390-tools uploads? fheimes thanks you :)
[08:47] <juliank> I'll send that to the qa team
[08:51] <Skia> schopin: I'm not sure I've followed entirely, are there more tests to drop than what juliank asked? (build-essentials, java-common, init-system-helpers, and boost-default)
[08:52] <schopin> Skia: not that I know of, I just redirected the query to the proper folks (i.e. you)
[08:52] <Skia> juliank: do you want us to move some of your jobs to the huge queue? We now have the right tooling to do that easily :-)
[08:53] <juliank> Skia: So I compiled a regular expression for all my no-change rebuilds in  https://gist.github.com/julian-klode/2ee2dadd17430b619e0a011536332c2a that you can pass to pull-amqp
[08:53] <juliank> Skia: The list of triggers is above, the regular expression in the jupyter notebook at the bottom
[08:53] <juliank> (Just so you can see the method)
[08:54] <juliank> I made it only match single trigger ones as some triggers got grouped together by britney
[08:54] <Skia> juliank: from a quick glance, the regex won't work correctly because of some `+` present in some package versions that needs escaping
[08:54] <juliank> Ah
[08:54] <juliank> Need to call re.escape
[08:54] <juliank> one sec
[08:55] <juliank> Now it escaped lots of things
[08:56] <juliank> Skia: It's overescaped now, re.escape even escapes -
[08:56] <Skia> :D
[08:56] <juliank> But yeah gist updated
[08:57]  * juliank calculated the "triggers" file directly from his .changes files :)
[08:57] <Skia> thanks I'll give it a try, and if dry run is satisfying, I'll move the items to the huge queue
[08:57] <Skia> looking good! :-)
[09:01] <juliank> :)
[09:02] <Skia> obviously this kinda failed because of some bytes/str conversion, but I have the list and will square this shortly :-)
[09:02] <juliank> heh
[09:17] <sil2100> tsimonq2: yw! ;)
[09:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ruby-hdfeos5 (noble-proposed/universe) [1.2-12ubuntu1 => 1.2-12ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[09:24] <juliank> I guess just reject  that one ^
[09:24] <juliank> the libhe5-hdfeos0 is being reverted in proposed
[09:24] <juliank> * the t64 transition for it
[09:25] <juliank> Now hang on a minute
[09:25] <juliank> The NMU of hdf-eos5 was just overriden
[09:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ruby-hdfeos5 [source] (noble-proposed) [1.2-12ubuntu2]
[09:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: hdf-eos5 (noble-proposed/universe) [2:2.0-2build1 => 2:2.0-2ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[09:45] <juliank> I reverted the hdf-eos5 revert of the time_t changes
[09:45] <juliank> The -2 upload did not include the changelog from the -1.1 upload, I can only assume this was unintentional
[09:45] <juliank> And it certainly blocks migrating everything related to it
[09:45] <schopin> juliank: my head is starting to spin.
[09:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted hdf-eos5 [source] (noble-proposed) [2:2.0-2ubuntu1]
[09:47] <juliank> schopin: Yeah the problem is NMUs have  a lower version than a maintainer upload, so if the maintainer doesn't check for NMUs being present they silently override them
[10:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-openstackclient (noble-proposed/main) [6.6.0-0ubuntu1 => 6.6.0-0ubuntu2] (openstack)
[10:05] <seb128> release team people, is that fine if I accept the s390-tools-(signed) uploads from the unapproved queue, it's targetted to beta
[10:30] <Skia> juliank: it took a while, but the move to the huge queue of your regex is done :-)
[10:31] <juliank> Skia: thanks!
[11:12] <RikMills> ubuntu-release: please let kubuntu-meta in proposed through, if possible
[11:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-initial-setup (noble-proposed/main) [46.0-1ubuntu4 => 46.0-1ubuntu5] (ubuntu-desktop)
[11:32] <seb128> ^ the upload there is a fix we would like to get in desktop for beta
[11:34] <seb128> it's a fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-initial-setup/+bug/2049670
[11:34] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2049670 in gnome-initial-setup (Ubuntu) "noble: gnome-initial-setup 20 second delay & error popup" [High, Fix Committed]
[11:40] <ginggs> seb128: accepting s390-tools-(signed) sounds fine to me
[11:40] <seb128> ginggs, thanks, doing so
[11:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted s390-tools-signed [source] (noble-proposed) [2.31.0-0ubuntu5]
[11:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted s390-tools [source] (noble-proposed) [2.31.0-0ubuntu5]
[11:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-initial-setup [source] (noble-proposed) [46.0-1ubuntu5]
[11:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-openstackclient [source] (noble-proposed) [6.6.0-0ubuntu2]
[11:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted strace [source] (noble-proposed) [6.8-0ubuntu1]
[11:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted shadow [source] (noble-proposed) [1:4.13+dfsg1-4ubuntu3]
[11:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: s390-tools (noble-proposed/main) [2.31.0-0ubuntu4 => 2.31.0-0ubuntu5] (core)
[11:55] <schopin> ginggs: thanks :)
[11:55] <ginggs> RikMills: kubuntu-meta/1.449 unblocked
[11:56] <RikMills> ginggs: ty :)
[12:20] <mkukri> libwfa2 is seemingly blocked due to missing build on armhf, but that seems expected 'Missing build dependencies: architecture-is-64-bit'
[12:24] <schopin> seems like a good candidate for removal.
[12:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: astrometry.net (noble-proposed/universe) [0.93+dfsg-1.1build3 => 0.93+dfsg-1.1ubuntu1] (kubuntu)
[12:33] <ginggs> mkukri, schopin: iirc libwfa2 armhf binaries were removed from release, but are now back in -updates
[12:34] <schopin> ginggs: well then, I guess it's a candidate for hintings?
[12:34] <ginggs> yes, i'll add a force hint
[13:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rocm-hipamd (noble-proposed/universe) [5.2.3-13 => 5.7.1-3] (no packageset) (sync)
[13:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: lftp (noble-proposed/main) [4.9.2-2build2 => 4.9.2-2ubuntu1] (ubuntu-server)
[13:32] <Eickmeyer> apw: Hi! I forgot where to look to see where the checklist is for kernels to unblock so they're promoted to main. I've just been noticing linux-meta-lowlatency has been stuck in -proposed since 6.8.0-7.
[13:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: msgraph (noble-release/universe) [0.2.1-0ubuntu3 => 0.2.1-0ubuntu3] (i386-whitelist) (sync)
[13:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: uhttpmock0 (noble-release/universe) [0.5.5-0ubuntu2 => 0.5.5-0ubuntu2] (i386-whitelist) (sync)
[13:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted msgraph [sync] (noble-release) [0.2.1-0ubuntu3]
[13:37] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted uhttpmock0 [sync] (noble-release) [0.5.5-0ubuntu2]
[13:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: software-properties (noble-proposed/main) [0.99.46 => 0.99.47] (core)
[13:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Removed openfec from i386-whitelist in noble
[13:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added msgraph to i386-whitelist in noble
[13:54] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Packageset: Added uhttpmock0 to i386-whitelist in noble
[13:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ruby-hdfeos5 (noble-proposed/universe) [1.2-12ubuntu2 => 1.2-12ubuntu3] (no packageset)
[13:58] <juliank> sil2100: wanna do a round of nbs removals?
[14:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ruby-hdfeos5 [source] (noble-proposed) [1.2-12ubuntu3]
[14:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-dateutil (noble-proposed/main) [2.8.2-3 => 2.8.2-3ubuntu1] (i386-whitelist, ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-server)
[14:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: tiktoken (noble-proposed/universe) [0.6.0-2build2 => 0.6.0-2ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[14:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted tiktoken [source] (noble-proposed) [0.6.0-2ubuntu1]
[14:34] <bdrung> I am looking at hfsutils now
[14:36] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: util-linux (noble-proposed/main) [2.39.3-9ubuntu5 => 2.39.3-9ubuntu6] (core, i386-whitelist)
[14:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted lftp [source] (noble-proposed) [4.9.2-2ubuntu1]
[14:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-control-center (noble-proposed/main) [1:46.0.1-1ubuntu2 => 1:46.0.1-1ubuntu3] (ubuntu-desktop)
[15:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted s390-tools [s390x] (noble-proposed) [2.31.0-0ubuntu5]
[15:27] <vorlon> cleaning up more source packages from noble-updates (168)
[15:31] <amikhalitsyn> Dear colleagues, can we get lxc package updated in Noble to the version 1:5.0.3-2ubuntu3? The problem is that autopackage tests are failing, at the same time it is NOT a degradation because this tests are new and reason why they are failing is not in the LXC itself
[15:31] <amikhalitsyn> https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#lxc
[15:32] <amikhalitsyn> As far as I understand there is a mechanism "hints-ubuntu" that allows to upload package even if tests are failing in cases like this one.
[15:32] <vorlon> amikhalitsyn: why would you not fix the package to not include broken tests?
[15:33] <amikhalitsyn> I'm happy to do that, but I have no upload right and each attempts takes many weeks to get uploaded and checked. I can confirm that I was able to run autopackage tests locally and these tests were working
[15:34] <amikhalitsyn> So it's a matter of time to get this stuff sorted out and I will do that, but doing this right now before the release is a bit problematic :(
[15:34] <vorlon> we don't add hints to deliberately regress tests that aren't already regressed
[15:34] <stgraber> they are already regressed
[15:34] <stgraber> the ubuntu1 package that's currently in the release pocket also didn't pass adt
[15:35] <amikhalitsyn> yeah, current version 1:5.0.3-2ubuntu3 is not worser than 1:5.0.3-2ubuntu1 in this regard
[15:35] <stgraber> ubuntu3 actually fixes all the adt failures found in ubuntu1 but somehow is still failing in a way that's not locally reproducible, at least from what amikhalitsyn tells me
[15:36] <jamespage> Ok so I think this is right - https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/britney/+git/hints-ubuntu/+merge/463923
[15:36] <jamespage> feel free to tell me otherwise - not done that for some time
[15:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: livecd-rootfs (noble-release/main) [24.04.60 => 24.04.60] (desktop-core, i386-whitelist) (sync)
[15:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted livecd-rootfs [sync] (noble-release) [24.04.60]
[15:47] <paride> @pilot off
[15:47] <paride> @pilot out
[15:47] <paride> wrong command, wrong channel. :-)
[15:50] <tsimonq2> ubuntu-release: Beta unblock hints> jamespage query above && unblock casper/1.496 gnome-session/46.0-1ubuntu3 calamares-settings-ubuntu/1:24.04.25 livecd-rootfs/24.04.60
[15:51] <tsimonq2> That would go a long way in moving the needle forward. :)
[15:52] <tsimonq2> If you want paperwork, let me know where to throw it. ;)
[15:58] <vorlon> stgraber, amikhalitsyn if they're already regressed then you don't need a hint either?
[15:59] <vorlon> because we don't block if it's not a regression vs the release pocket
[16:04] <amikhalitsyn> vorlon: yes, but for some reason https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#lxc says that it's a regression.
[16:04] <vorlon> any uploader can do use retry-autopkgtest-regressions --no-proposed to request a baseline retest
[16:05] <amikhalitsyn> while from https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/lxc/noble/amd64 you can see that 1:5.0.3-2ubuntu1 was failing too
[16:06] <juliank> want baseline tests queued
[16:06] <juliank> ?
[16:06] <juliank> not sure why britney didn't queue any
[16:07] <amikhalitsyn> I'm sorry guys, I'm doing my first steps in packaging :) I don't know that this stuff means at all
[16:07] <juliank> ah I see
[16:07] <amikhalitsyn> I can only guess that this baseline retest will ensure that 1:5.0.3-2ubuntu1 fails too
[16:07] <juliank> The current version in the release pocket is 1:5.0.1-0ubuntu8
[16:07] <juliank> This has passing autopkgtests
[16:07] <juliank>  1:5.0.3-2ubuntu1 is in updates
[16:07] <juliank> this is awkward
[16:08] <juliank> We should have copied *lower* versions to updates
[16:08] <amikhalitsyn> yes, this is a very very old and obsolete version and it has less tests
[16:08] <stgraber> oh, I missed the part where 2ubuntu1 is in updates, hmm, what happened there :)
[16:08] <amikhalitsyn> 1:5.0.1-0ubuntu8 -> 1:5.0.3-2ubuntu1 update technically introduced a degradation (really, not). Just because 1:5.0.3-2ubuntu1 introduced new tests
[16:09] <juliank> New tests failing is still a regression
[16:09] <stgraber> so that does explain why britney sees it as a regression, but also, why is there stuff in -updates on a dev release
[16:09] <juliank> And the answer would have been remove the tests or fix them
[16:10] <juliank> stgraber: pre-xz-utils packages were copied to -updates and binaries on amd64 removed from release pocket to allow safe rebuilds
[16:10] <juliank> vorlon: any idea why a newer version of lxc landed in -updates than in release?
[16:10] <vorlon> juliank: that wouldn't be due to britney
[16:11] <juliank> vorlon: Well yes, it seems we copied that lxc from proposed to updates
[16:11] <juliank> or even weirder https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc/1%3A5.0.3-2ubuntu1/+publishinghistory
[16:11] <vorlon> right well no idea
[16:11] <juliank> it was superseded in proposed but then the pre-xz proposed one reinstated in updates
[16:12] <juliank> Anyway, the answer here is this is a regression for real, we should not ignore it
[16:12] <juliank> The new tests that are failing should be disabled, set to expected failurre, whatever
[16:13] <vorlon> bdrung: python-dateutil doesn't look beta critical to me, do you have an argument to the contrary?
[16:13] <juliank> We don't want to regress our testing ability, if we accept new broken tests, future uploads would also be accepted if they break existing tests
[16:14] <bdrung> vorlon, it causes the ipykernel autopkgtest to fail
[16:14] <vorlon> bdrung: which doesn't sound beta-critical
[16:14] <bdrung> right
[16:15] <juliank> amikhalitsyn: So the answer is, the unprivileged-containers should be disabled, I could upload that, it's a simple change of deleting the paragraph in debian/tests/control really
[16:15] <juliank> or commenting it out maybe, never tried comments
[16:16] <amikhalitsyn> juliank: yes, "unprivileged-containers" should be disabled (came from new Debian and unfortunately, fails on CI)
[16:17] <amikhalitsyn> juliank: give me one second because it's not all
[16:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted rocm-hipamd [sync] (noble-proposed) [5.7.1-3]
[16:19] <amikhalitsyn> We also had some tests disabled in "exercise" testsuite. Just look: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc/tree/debian/tests/exercise?h=applied/ubuntu/noble#n129
[16:19] <amikhalitsyn> and compare with https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc/tree/debian/tests/exercise?h=applied/ubuntu/noble-devel
[16:20] <juliank> Ah yes
[16:20] <juliank> ugh
[16:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: power-profiles-daemon (jammy-proposed/main) [0.10.1-3 => 0.21-1~22.04.1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[16:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: power-profiles-daemon (mantic-proposed/main) [0.13-2 => 0.21-1~23.10.1] (ubuntu-desktop)
[16:26] <juliank> amikhalitsyn: 0693s FAIL: lxc-tests: /usr/bin/lxc-test-unpriv
[16:26] <juliank> So this is the test still failing
[16:27] <juliank> And I wonder if this all makes sense
[16:27] <juliank> Because AppArmor in 24.04 has additional restrictions on user namespaces
[16:29]  * juliank goes run the test shimself
[16:30] <amikhalitsyn> juliank: AppArmor stuff is addressed because we have Ubuntu-specific changes in the AppArmor profile
[16:30] <amikhalitsyn> but as you can see https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc/tree/debian/tests/exercise?h=applied/ubuntu/noble#n142 this test /usr/bin/lxc-test-unpriv was disabled before
[16:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: hfsutils (noble-proposed/main) [3.2.6-15build3 => 3.2.6-15ubuntu1] (core)
[16:32] <amikhalitsyn> juliank: also I wanted to say that I tested all of this manually offline by using autopkgtest tool it tests were passing. But this time, I wasn't able to reproduce this because VM that autopkgtest spawns is getting stuck each time when I run tests. It looks like something is terribly wrong with autopkgtest itself or Ubuntu noble image used in it.
[16:33] <ahasenack> since a long while I tend to use the "ssh" autopkgtest runner, instead of the qemu one, fwiw
[16:34] <amikhalitsyn> juliank: https://gist.github.com/mihalicyn/0a6374c35890f92ff73a96ac1a542ab5
[16:35] <juliank> amikhalitsyn: You're going to need autopkgtest 5.34ubuntu1 from proposed to test noble at least
[16:35] <amikhalitsyn> ahasenack: ah, that's interesting. So, you are setting up a VM by your own and then just make autopkgtest to use it?
[16:36] <ahasenack> amikhalitsyn: right. I either just "lxc launch ubuntu-daily:noble n", or "lxc launch ubuntu-daily:noble n --vm" (my default profile pulls in my ssh key)
[16:36] <juliank> Previous versions don't support deb822
[16:36] <juliank> the latter is whimsical as you can also just use -- lxd --vm ubuntu-daily:noble in autopkgtest :D
[16:36] <ahasenack> and then use the ssh runner like "autopkgtest ..... -- ssh -H <ip> -r --capability isolation-machine --capability revert-full-system"
[16:36] <ahasenack> or --capability isolation-container, depending what <ip> is
[16:37] <juliank> But it may all fail perhaps due to cloud-init
[16:39] <amikhalitsyn> juliank: I have autopkgtest 5.20, this is really weird that it was working with Noble just a few month ago. Or maybe I missed something...
[16:39] <amikhalitsyn> ahasenack, juliank: HUGE thanks for your advices
[16:39] <juliank> It worked until like February
[16:39] <amikhalitsyn> yes, I think I have tested this back in February
[16:58] <andersson1234> amikhalitsyn: maybe you encountered this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/autopkgtest/+bug/2056461
[16:58] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2056461 in autopkgtest (Ubuntu) "autopkgtest-virt-qemu on noble images sometimes hangs doing copydown" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[16:59] <andersson1234> I encountered this today and am working around it by using lxd vm instead of a qemu vm.
[17:04] <juliank> lxd vm doesn't work at all for me, fwiw
[17:04] <juliank> Error: websocket: close 1006 (abnormal closure): unexpected EOF
[17:04] <juliank> autopkgtest [18:32:01]: ERROR: testbed failure: testbed auxverb failed with exit code 255
[17:04] <juliank> Very unhappy
[17:04] <juliank> :D
[17:05] <juliank> Oh but that was an old branch
[17:05]  * juliank tries with 5.34ubuntu1
[17:09] <amikhalitsyn> juliank: I have tried to create LXD VM with Noble inside and try to run my setup with autopkgtest+qemu and it still getting stuck in the same way. Now I'm on the way to try with LXD...
[17:10] <amikhalitsyn> I tend to think that something is terribly wrong with the kernel 6.8.0-22-generic and that's why the whole test VM is getting stuck
[17:11] <amikhalitsyn> andersson1234: yeah, it looks like what I'm facing
[17:11] <tsimonq2> ubuntu-release: Heads-up, was just made aware of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-desktop/+bug/2054246 which needs another casper upload
[17:11] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2054246 in plasma-desktop (Ubuntu) "Cannot unlock screen on NN live ISO" [Undecided, New]
[17:12] <tsimonq2> Any volunteers before I can get to it in 60 mins?
[17:12] <tsimonq2> (<= 60)
[17:22] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: JFDI. This is the key we've been looking for, and I'm kindof upset with KDE for not documenting that properly.
[17:22] <Eickmeyer> (affects Ubuntu Studio too)
[17:25] <juliank> Oh
[17:25] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: caffeination takes priority :)
[17:26] <juliank> amikhalitsyn: andersson1234 So what's going on with the curent lxd vm is something for like schopin, needrestart does systemctl restart cron.service lxd-agent.service [...] - but lxd-agent.service should be on the blocklist
[17:27] <juliank> *or* lxd-agent.service should not be restartable in the first place perhaps
[17:27] <juliank> so that would be a lxd issue
[17:27] <bdmurray> tsimonq2: Why is this critical for Beta?
[17:34] <amikhalitsyn> juliank: I can confirm that autopkgtest with lxd fails in the same way: Error: websocket: close 1006 (abnormal closure): unexpected EOF
[17:36] <amikhalitsyn> juliank: Recently there were some changes and updates in lxd-agent.service from our side.
[17:37] <juliank> amikhalitsyn: we know it's a regression in the recent addition of the ubuntu mode to needrestart
[17:38] <amikhalitsyn> juliank: I'll reach you in MM ;-)
[17:38] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: simgear (noble-proposed/universe) [1:2020.3.18+dfsg-2 => 1:2020.3.18+dfsg-2.1] (no packageset) (sync)
[17:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted simgear [sync] (noble-proposed) [1:2020.3.18+dfsg-2.1]
[17:43] <tsimonq2> bdmurray: Automatic screen timeout is set, on an older machine where the install takes some time, the screenlocker could come om without the ability to log back in.
[17:43] <Eickmeyer> bdmurray: In the live session, if a user lets leaves the session alone (which happens frequently), it times out to the lock screen which *requires* a password that cannot be blank. This prevents the timeout from occurring. KDE (upstream) changed the keyname.
[17:43] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: jinx? :)
[17:43] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: I think we owe each other enough that it cancels out at this point.
[17:44] <tsimonq2> hahaha :)
[17:44] <bdmurray> What does takes some time translate to in numbers?
[17:45] <Eickmeyer> 10 minutes IIRC.
[17:46] <tsimonq2> Some installs could take longer than that, indeed.
[17:47] <Eickmeyer> Ubuntu Studio installs typically do unless you have a SSD.
[17:48] <bdmurray> Getting a confirmed number would make me feel better one way or another.
[17:51] <amikhalitsyn> juliank: Should I prepare a debdiff for LXC package with failing tests disabled?
[17:52] <Eickmeyer> bdmurray: 15 minutes.
[17:52] <amikhalitsyn> JFYI: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxc/+bug/2059550
[17:52] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2059550 in lxc (Ubuntu) "autopkgtest failures on 1:5.0.3-2ubuntu2 (Noble)" [Undecided, New]
[17:54] <Eickmeyer> bdmurray: There's a 5 second buffer after screen locks where it allows unlocking without password, but as you imagine that's not much.
[17:55] <juliank> amikhalitsyn: that would be terrific, thanks
[17:56] <amikhalitsyn> juliank: will do!
[17:59] <liushuyu> I want to understand if the non-flavour (i.e. "official" distribution) is allowed to have pre-installed packages that are not in main?
[18:00] <liushuyu> (or is there an exception to the rules)
[18:06] <tsimonq2> liushuyu: To my understanding, build depends can be in Universe but runtime depends must be in Main.
[18:06] <tsimonq2> Please, someone do correct me here ^^^^
[18:14] <tsimonq2> bdmurray: casper incoming
[18:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: casper (noble-proposed/main) [1.496 => 1.497] (desktop-core)
[18:15] <bdmurray> tsimonq2: thanks for referencing a bug this time!
[18:16] <tsimonq2> bdmurray: you're welcome :P
[18:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: isoquery (noble-proposed/universe) [3.3.3-1build1 => 3.3.3-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[18:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted isoquery [source] (noble-proposed) [3.3.3-1ubuntu1]
[19:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: flightgear (noble-proposed/universe) [1:2020.3.18+dfsg-1build5 => 1:2020.3.18+dfsg-1.1] (no packageset) (sync)
[19:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted flightgear [sync] (noble-proposed) [1:2020.3.18+dfsg-1.1]
[19:09] <bdmurray> vorlon: s390-tools is prevented migrating due to a missing build on amd64
[19:09] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, we really need a transition for ghc
[19:09] <LocutusOfBorg> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1068586
[19:09] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Debian bug 1068586 in ghc "ghc: Broken on arm{el,hf} because of time_t transition" [Grave, Open]
[19:09] <LocutusOfBorg> or to kick ghc out on armhf
[19:09] <LocutusOfBorg> :/
[19:09] <vorlon> bdmurray: according to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/s390-tools/2.31.0-0ubuntu5 it is built?
[19:09] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: is that something you want to drive? I don't see it conflicting with beta, afaik no haskell packages are seeded
[19:10] <vorlon> we will have to manage queues to avoid resource contention with the beta
[19:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gdcm (noble-proposed/universe) [3.0.22-2.1ubuntu1 => 3.0.22-3] (kubuntu) (sync)
[19:10] <bdmurray> vorlon: sorry, s390x-tools-signed
[19:10] <LocutusOfBorg> vorlon, still no fix on Debian
[19:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ghc (noble-proposed/universe) [9.4.7-3 => 9.4.7-4] (no packageset) (sync)
[19:10] <LocutusOfBorg> but yes, I can drive rebuilds with pleasure
[19:12] <vorlon> bdmurray: also looks like it's fixed and just waiting for britney to refresh
[19:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ghc [sync] (noble-proposed) [9.4.7-4]
[19:16] <vorlon> really, what is this, this is insane https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acl2/8.5dfsg-5build3/+build/27996988
[19:18] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: the only problem with removing ghc* on armhf is pandoc
[19:20] <vorlon> doing i386 binary removals (blocks libdumb)
[19:22] <vorlon> ah libdumb is noble-updates actually so not blocked by *these* binary removals
[19:22] <vorlon> will sort out both though
[19:25] <vorlon> isoquery "fixed", ubiquity building on armhf now
[19:32] <vorlon> quite a few i386 binaries in noble-updates blocking things; nice that I can now remove them
[19:36] <vorlon> very encouraging how many packages will be unblocked by i386 removals from noble-updates, that's easy
[19:38] <vorlon> though, how many of these binaries am I having to remove because the packages hadn't been rebuilt since we dropped i386...
[19:42] <vorlon> LocutusOfBorg: gdcm seeded on ubuntukylin, so blocked until beta
[19:48] <tsimonq2> ubuntucinnamon-environment is bug 2060725, Josh is short on time so I jumped in to help, he says it's a Beta blocker, I'll take a neutral stance, it's in the queue if you think it's acceptable
[19:48] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2060725 in ubuntucinnamon-environment (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Cinnamon Installer has non-visible icon on starting page" [High, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2060725
[19:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntucinnamon-environment (noble-proposed/universe) [24.04.1 => 24.04.2] (no packageset)
[19:52] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntucinnamon-environment [source] (noble-proposed) [24.04.2]
[19:55] <bdmurray> That bug doesn't tell me what it looks like for the end user.
[19:57] <vorlon> bdmurray: ^ I accepted it though on the basis that flavors should have wide discretion in deciding for themselves what bugs should be beta-critical (in exchange for them being responsible for the testing of image respins)
[19:59] <vorlon> bdmurray: fwiw I'm thinking about just throwing all the remaining packages out of noble-updates.  They were mostly there to ensure that we'd be able to re-bootstrap amd64 binaries (i.e. that build-dependencies were satisfied), but now increasingly they seem to be a source of blockers for proposed-migration (because of assertion failures in the update_output). thoughts?
[19:59] <bdmurray> vorlon: "mostly there"?
[19:59] <arraybolt3> ubuntu-release: please accept `hud`, uploaded to fix a googletest-related FTBFS that would mess up Ubuntu Unity. All I did was change it to build with C++14.
[20:00] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: hud (noble-proposed/universe) [14.10+17.10.20170619-0ubuntu5 => 14.10+17.10.20170619-0ubuntu6] (no packageset)
[20:00] <tsimonq2> ^ similar uploads incoming for indicator packages to do the same
[20:00] <juliank> I mean not all we really needed :D
[20:00] <vorlon> bdmurray: that was the primary reason; a lesser reason was for package installability outside the buildds
[20:00] <juliank> Go for it
[20:00] <juliank> This will give us a much more reasonable sense of where the beta is at
[20:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted hud [source] (noble-proposed) [14.10+17.10.20170619-0ubuntu6]
[20:01] <juliank> When users go test installing packages and so on on the beta
[20:01] <bdmurray> Yeah, I'd rather not have them have a bad experience.
[20:01] <juliank> It also removes all the solver issues plaguing us
[20:01] <bdmurray> So I'm a +1 on removing them
[20:01] <juliank> Like I said in flavours, apt will prefer to install libfoo0 from updates over libfoo0t64 from release right now :D
[20:02] <juliank> (if it sees a libfoo0 dependency)
[20:02] <juliank> (it might even dedicde to remove a libfoo0t64)
[20:02] <juliank> This will make things a lot better
[20:02] <vorlon> ok, 421 source packages, let's remove them
[20:03] <vorlon> it does mean we don't have the list of source packages in noble-updates to work from anymore
[20:03] <vorlon> (to identify packages that still need to get migrated into the release pocket)
[20:03] <vorlon> so I'll take a snapshot of that list now
[20:04] <juliank> vorlon: either that or use snapshot.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/20240409T200000Z/ as your mirror :D
[20:04] <vorlon> heh
[20:04] <tsimonq2> <3 snapshots service, underrated tbh
[20:05] <juliank> tsimonq2: Did you know, if you don't add a timestamp, it gives you the same archive view as the ftpmaster.internal
[20:05] <juliank> it's as real time as it gets
[20:05] <vorlon> why does pastebinit default to dpaste, it used to default to paste.u.c :P
[20:05] <juliank> I like it
[20:05] <juliank> paste.u.c has weird login requirements
[20:06] <bdmurray> yes
[20:06] <tsimonq2> juliank: woah that's really cool :D
[20:06] <juliank> But we cool kids can just have a share script that just uploads to people.canonical.com:public_html/pastebin :D
[20:06] <tsimonq2> *shrug* Ubuntu Members have people.ubuntu.com too :)
[20:06] <vorlon> sources left to migrate: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gSTHF4cdJQ/
[20:07] <juliank>   * task:ubuntustudio-video                  depends on missing libopenvdb10.0:amd64 (>= 10.0.1) via blender
[20:07] <juliank>   * task:ubuntustudio-video                  depends on missing libopenvdb10.0:amd64 (>= 10.0.1) via libopenimageio2.4
[20:07] <juliank> (same for -graphics)
[20:07] <juliank>   * task:lamp-server                         depends on missing libaio1:amd64 (>= 0.3.93) via mysql-server-core-8.0
[20:07] <juliank> (and some other mysql-server 8.0 packages)
[20:07] <juliank> these are the missing unsatisfiable task packages
[20:07] <juliank> They may be recommends
[20:08] <juliank> (from https://magenta.jak-linux.org/ubuntu-archive/distcheck/noble/release-binaries.txt)
[20:09] <juliank> both blender and openimageio have versions in proposed
[20:09] <juliank> Eickmeyer: ^ fyi blender / openimageio ubuntustudio uninstallabilites
[20:10] <Eickmeyer> juliank: ack
[20:10] <juliank> ugh
[20:10] <juliank> openvdb depends on llvm-toolchain-14
[20:11] <juliank> But yeah this is the chain that needs solving for full task installability
[20:11] <juliank> llvm-toolchain-14 <- openvdb <- blender, openimageio; mysql-8.0
[20:12] <juliank> llvm-toolchain-14 is building on arm64 now
[20:13] <juliank> f3d needs a retry once -updates is empty I suppose
[20:13] <juliank> I'll go retry it without opencv though
[20:14] <juliank> I seem to have rebuilt openvdb
[20:15] <juliank> ah shoot rebuild-for "libvtk9.1t64" f3d
[20:15] <juliank> I think this may be the missing piece there
[20:16] <juliank> That's where the dependency resolution fails
[20:16] <juliank> lemme upload that
[20:16] <vorlon> which piece?
[20:16] <liushuyu> Eickmeyer: so I have tried the latest Ubuntu Studio installer with translations, and the layout is very broken. It seems like you made a mistake in the slides, you might want to check for any floating and unmatched html tags (hint </li>)
[20:17] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu: Looking
[20:17] <juliank> vorlon: f3d rebuild
[20:17] <juliank> vorlon: I forgot though that yes, cleaning out updates will make that work
[20:18] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: f3d (noble-proposed/universe) [2.2.1+dfsg-2build2 => 2.2.1+dfsg-2build3] (no packageset)
[20:18] <vorlon> juliank: ok
[20:18] <juliank> bBut it's a leaf package so meh
[20:18] <juliank> The interesting thing is the more leaf your package, the more likely it fails to install/upgrade
[20:18] <juliank> or more likely to be removed :D
[20:18] <vorlon> it's not a leaf if it's seeded?
[20:18] <juliank> *f3d*
[20:19] <juliank> f3d is blocking a seeded package due to dependency error from libvtk9.1
[20:19] <juliank> f3d blocks openimageio, the test will work with new f3d or cleaned out updates pocket
[20:19] <vorlon> ah
[20:19] <juliank> now we did both
[20:19] <juliank> :D
[20:20] <juliank> (and this is fine because f3d won't trigger more tests)
[20:20] <juliank> (other than itself)
[20:20] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu: Is there a specific slide?
[20:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted f3d [source] (noble-proposed) [2.2.1+dfsg-2build3]
[20:21] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: indicator-power (noble-proposed/universe) [12.10.6+17.10.20170829.1-0ubuntu8 => 12.10.6+17.10.20170829.1-0ubuntu9] (ubuntu-budgie)
[20:21] <liushuyu> Eickmeyer: slide no. 4 and 5
[20:22] <vorlon> init.c:140:21: error: implicit declaration of function ‘time’ [-Werror=implicit-function-declaration]
[20:22] <vorlon> yes maybe we care about that one
[20:22] <liushuyu> also the link on slide no.7 does not work. I think it's probably a Flutter limitation (or a safety filter)
[20:22] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu: Honestly, no clue where those came from, but great catch. I'll upload a fix shortly.
[20:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: libauthen-krb5-perl (noble-proposed/universe) [1.9-6build4 => 1.9-6ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[20:23] <arraybolt3> ubuntu-release: indicator-power is another FTBFS fix for Ubuntu Unity
[20:24] <vorlon> arraybolt3: that doesn't sound beta-critical?
[20:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libauthen-krb5-perl [source] (noble-proposed) [1.9-6ubuntu1]
[20:25] <liushuyu> Eickmeyer: It seems like Flutter's HTML rendering system is very non-standard, things laid out correctly in Firefox/Chromium/WebKit do not work in Flutter. (And also the "Ubuntu Studio website" part on slide 7 is not clickable)
[20:25] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu: That's correct, there's a limitation of some kind there in the HTML implementation.
[20:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntustudio-default-settings (noble-proposed/universe) [24.04.25 => 24.04.26] (ubuntustudio)
[20:26] <liushuyu> Maybe you should just spell the website link there
[20:27] <Eickmeyer> Honestly, having a clickable link or not is not a show stopper. There's a link to the website in the menu upon install.
[20:27] <liushuyu> Eickmeyer: Okay.
[20:27] <arraybolt3> vorlon: doko had pinged me about it being FTBFS and it was my understanding that it was a release blocker for Unity?
[20:28] <Eickmeyer> Or, even in the live session if they're already there.
[20:28] <vorlon> arraybolt3: release blocker; not beta critical
[20:28] <Eickmeyer> ubuntu-release: New ubuntustudio-default-settings that fixes a slideshow layout issue per mine and liushuyu's conversation here.
[20:28] <tsimonq2> vorlon, arraybolt3: Keep it in the queue until after beta?
[20:28] <vorlon> correct
[20:28] <arraybolt3> +1 from me
[20:29] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: and you want that for beta?
[20:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: 3dchess (noble-proposed/universe) [0.8.1-21build2 => 0.8.1-21ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[20:29] <liushuyu> The English texts are long enough to cover up the layout problems
[20:29] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Would be nice. I consider first-touch user experience issues like that pretty important. Besides, I believe a new casper is still in the pipe?
[20:30] <vorlon> bdmurray: are you shepherding casper?
[20:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted 3dchess [source] (noble-proposed) [0.8.1-21ubuntu1]
[20:32] <tsimonq2> If we want that extra information bdmurray requested via casper on the bug report, let me know, I'll copy/paste ;)
[20:32] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntustudio-default-settings [source] (noble-proposed) [24.04.26]
[20:32] <liushuyu> I am unsure if Ubuntu Kylin maintainer is also in this channel, but the Weather app is broken (this is somewhat important because the app pops up by itself in the Live Session), and the fact that the language selected during the installation does not work
[20:33] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: indicator-messages (noble-proposed/universe) [13.10.1+18.10.20180918-0ubuntu6 => 13.10.1+18.10.20180918-0ubuntu7] (ubuntu-desktop)
[20:33] <arraybolt3> vorlon: is the mozjs102 FTBFS also a release blocker but not a beta blocker?
[20:33] <tsimonq2> liushuyu: Want someone to pass a message? They're in Matrix
[20:33] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu: handsome-feng is hard to find as he doesn't maintain a persistent connection.
[20:33] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Except for Matrix :P (or email, from what I hear)
[20:33] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2: And jinx again.
[20:33] <tsimonq2> :D
[20:34] <vorlon> arraybolt3: yes
[20:35] <liushuyu> I am going to test Kubuntu next. So far, there are a lot of issues if you select a non-Latin language during the installation
[20:36] <liushuyu> (Especially for GTK + Wayland combo, where the IME was not configured properly, surprising, Ubuntu Studio does not have this issue)
[20:36] <liushuyu> * surprisingly
[20:37] <tsimonq2> liushuyu: Kubuntu uses Calamares, although we'd appreciate the extra testing :)
[20:37] <bdmurray> vorlon: It's partially blocked by a ubiquity test failure on ppc64el
[20:37] <vorlon> bdmurray: we discussed that ubiquity-casper is no longer relevant though?
[20:38] <liushuyu> tsimonq2: First issue: if I select Chinese on the login screen, KWin will insta crash
[20:38] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu: Ubuntu Studio does a lot of GTK configuration out of the box.
[20:38] <bdmurray> vorlon: Sure but what magic do you suggest to get it through?
[20:38] <vorlon> bdmurray: skiptest if and when that's the only blocker
[20:39] <bdmurray> vorlon: skiptest for ubiquity would also cause libtimezonemap (and maybe others?) to migrate.
[20:40] <vorlon> bdmurray: that's badtest. this would be skiptest hint for casper
[20:40] <liushuyu> Eickmeyer: I can see Ubuntu Studio picked a theme that fit both GTK and Qt apps, that
[20:40] <tsimonq2> liushuyu: The "Try or Install" screen?
[20:40] <liushuyu> .. is a job well done
[20:40] <bdmurray> vorlon: gotcha
[20:40] <bdmurray> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-24-04-beta-release-status-tracking/44043
[20:41] <tsimonq2> bdmurray: Discourse> I like that, thanks :)
[20:41] <bdmurray> So we are waiting for casper, gnome-session, gnome-initial-setup and calamares-settings-ubuntu.
[20:41] <liushuyu> tsimonq2: https://imagebin.ca/v/7xvx3qqZdqT0
[20:41] <Eickmeyer> liushuyu: Yep, unfortunately it's gone mordibund, so we're transitioning to a new theme for 24.10.
[20:44] <tsimonq2> liushuyu: kwin crashing> Looking to see if I can confirm
[20:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: aa3d (noble-proposed/universe) [1.0-8.2build1 => 1.0-8.2ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[20:46] <vorlon> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gSTHF4cdJQ/ I've uploaded 3dchess and aa3d; aac-tactics is unblocked by noble-updates removals (lets coq and revdeps migrate).  Looking at abx
[20:47] <vorlon> bdmurray: I'm reviewing these now for unblock hints to make sure we don't lose a britney cycle waiting
[20:48] <bdmurray> vorlon: Thanks, I think we are missing one for casper
[20:48] <vorlon> abx was blocked by i386 in noble-updates, sorted now
[20:48] <vorlon> bdmurray: done
[20:49] <vorlon> acl2: still waiting on the arm64 build from hell
[20:50] <vorlon> looking at alex4
[20:50] <vorlon> unblocked by libdumb/i386 removal
[20:50] <bdmurray> vorlon: why did you not use ubuntu-release?
[20:50] <vorlon> bdmurray: because I'm a schmuck
[20:50] <vorlon> alien-arena
[20:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted aa3d [source] (noble-proposed) [1.0-8.2ubuntu1]
[20:52] <liushuyu> tsimonq2: I have finished installing, another OOBE problem: if the language is set to Chinese/Japanese/Korean, an input method editor configuration app will be installed. This is good, but this app auto-set the IME to fcitx5, which is not installed on the system (compare to Ubuntu Studio, which also uses KDE, has the fcitx5 installed and configured properly on the first boot)
[20:54] <liushuyu> redshift-qt is also missing its icon
[20:55] <tsimonq2> liushuyu: Are you suggesting installing fcitx5 fixes the problem? Have you tested it as such? :)
[20:55] <tsimonq2> The redshift-qt icon is ... relatively easy, just need to cross-ref Lubuntu's icon theme with Kubuntu's
[20:57] <liushuyu> tsimonq2: installing fcitx5 itself won't fix all the issues, since Debian splitted this package into many smaller pieces, you will also need specific language support, dictonary data etc
[20:57] <liushuyu> * dictionary
[20:58] <liushuyu> (maybe you can ask Eickmeyer how they did it?)
[20:59] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: yes hi how did you do this :) ^^^^
[21:00] <vorlon> ampliconnoise
[21:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: alien-arena (noble-proposed/multiverse) [7.71.3+dfsg-3build2 => 7.71.3+dfsg-3ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[21:02] <vorlon> heh ampliconnoise already removed from noble and noble-proposed but not from -updates
[21:02] <vorlon> anthy
[21:03] <tsimonq2> ubuntu-release: Do we consider the lack of ability to do no network installs with Ubuntu Desktop Installer (whatever it's called these days) a Beta blocker?
[21:03] <vorlon> anthy was i386 blockage, cleared now
[21:03] <liushuyu> tsimonq2: At least for me, I usually install fcitx5 fcitx5-material-color fcitx5-chinese-addons after installing Kubuntu to restore my ability to type
[21:03] <vorlon> tsimonq2: are you asking because you want to be able to use that as an argument to escalate to the installer developers or because you want to land a fix
[21:03] <vorlon> arrayfire
[21:04] <bdmurray> tsimonq2: Also is there a bug for this?
[21:04] <liushuyu> (using fcitx5-material-color because the default panel is too ugly)
[21:04] <tsimonq2> liushuyu: ack :) passed along to sgmoore
[21:04] <vorlon> tsimonq2: I would not generally consider it a beta blocker.  I think it's not even something we've ensured works for all flavor images at release time.
[21:05] <tsimonq2> vorlon: ack, the fix is in each flavor's seed (not even metapackage), will see if I can do an analysis here to figure out who all is still broken
[21:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted alien-arena [source] (noble-proposed) [7.71.3+dfsg-3ubuntu1]
[21:06] <tsimonq2> vorlon: (for your earlier question, the latter :P)
[21:10] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2 vorlon: In order to figure out if it works in the seed, though, it requires a respin. Xubuntu, Kubuntu, Ubuntu Studio, and Edubuntu were all affected.
[21:10] <Eickmeyer> (was a change to STRUCTURE for ship-live)
[21:11] <Eickmeyer> I think that's what tsimonq2 was saying. :)
[21:16] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: debian-science (noble-proposed/universe) [1.14.5 => 1.14.5ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[21:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted debian-science [source] (noble-proposed) [1.14.5ubuntu1]
[21:21] <enr0n> Looking at astrometry.net
[21:22] <bdmurray> enr0n: there's an upload in the queue for astometry.net
[21:22] <enr0n> bdmurray: ack, thanks
[21:22] <bdmurray> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/723913984/astrometry.net_0.93+dfsg-1.1build3_0.93+dfsg-1.1ubuntu1.diff.gz
[21:23] <enr0n> Looking at aview then
[21:24] <enr0n> For builds that fail with "libelf1t64 : Breaks: libelf1 (< 0.190-1.1build3) but 0.190-1 is to be installed", should I just retry?
[21:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected cinder [source] (jammy-proposed) [2:20.3.1-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>.1]
[21:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected cinder [source] (mantic-proposed) [2:23.0.0-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>.1]
[21:29] <enr0n> I think that's right, so I am just retrying the aview armhf build
[21:30] <arraybolt3> It looks like the ISOs have *not* been respun yet. About when are we planning on doing that?
[21:30] <vorlon> enr0n: yes
[21:30] <arraybolt3> (I'm waiting for some Kubuntu fixes to come down the pipeline)
[21:31] <vorlon> arraybolt3: only when casper, gnome-session, gnome-initial-setup and calamares-settings-ubuntu migrate
[21:31] <arraybolt3> kk
[21:32] <bdmurray> It'd be neat if britney announced in here when she'd completed a run.
[21:35] <enr0n> looking at backstep
[21:35] <vorlon> doko: arrayfire seems to ftbfs on ppc64el with a ppc64el-specific failure in failure in the g++ headers: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/arrayfire/3.3.2+dfsg1-4ubuntu6/+build/27972565
[21:36] <enr0n> retried armhf build for backstep (it was the libelf issue)
[21:36] <vorlon> doko: removing arrayfire binaries to get xz-utils stuff sorted, let me know if you want a bug report
[21:36] <enr0n> looking at bear
[21:37] <bdmurray> I misread that package name
[21:38] <vorlon> looking at avrp
[21:38] <vorlon> avrp: i386
[21:39] <vorlon> o, arrayfire ppc64el binaries were in noble-updates, so this is now also cleared
[21:39] <vorlon> but arrayfire needs new clblas which ftbfs on armhf, so looking
[21:42] <bdmurray> vorlon: When does britney look at the hints? At the beginning of its run or the end? I see some things not being touched but we added hints.
[21:42] <vorlon> bdmurray: it grabs them at the beginning
[21:42] <vorlon> (git pull)
[21:43] <enr0n> bear is uninstallable on s390x and ppc64el. I am not sure how to investigate that further at the moment.
[21:44] <enr0n> looking at berkeley-abc
[21:45] <enr0n> retried berkeley-abc armhf build (libelf issue)
[21:45] <enr0n> looking at betaradio
[21:46] <enr0n> betaradio just migrated, nothing to do
[21:46] <enr0n> looking at biosig
[21:47] <sbeattie> bdmurray: hey, are you taking on SRU rotation tasks today? Can you review the apparmor binary copies in the unapproved queues for jammy-proposed and focal-proposed? They are a security update to address LP: #1597017, and originate from https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security-proposed/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages
[21:47] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 1597017 in apparmor (Ubuntu Jammy) "mount rules grant excessive permissions" [Undecided, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1597017
[21:48] <sbeattie> The security team would like to make them available in the {jammy,focal}-proposed pockets for a time before we publish them to the respective security pockets for people to test.
[21:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: clblas (noble-proposed/universe) [2.12-4.1build1 => 2.12-4.1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[21:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted clblas [source] (noble-proposed) [2.12-4.1ubuntu1]
[21:53] <vorlon> enr0n: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wN82jyCb8F/
[21:54] <vorlon> enr0n: so it needs a rebuild for abseil, apparently raced the new soname?
[21:55] <vorlon> looking at bisonc++
[21:56] <enr0n> vorlon: oh thanks. odd
[22:04] <vorlon> ok bisonc++ migrated today
[22:04] <vorlon> blktool was i386, I know I've unblocked it. ditto blktrace
[22:04] <vorlon> and bluez-btsco
[22:05] <vorlon> boost1.74 migrated
[22:05] <vorlon> looking at bornagain
[22:05] <vorlon> which uses distutils
[22:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: bear (noble-proposed/universe) [3.1.3-1build3 => 3.1.3-1build4] (no packageset)
[22:06] <vorlon> but may have a fix in Debian
[22:06] <vorlon> ok bornagain synced
[22:06] <vorlon> bristol
[22:07] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: bornagain (noble-proposed/universe) [21.1+ds3-3build2 => 21.1+ds3-4] (no packageset) (sync)
[22:08] <vorlon> bristol, another libelf. wondering if I should do a mass-retry
[22:08] <vorlon> yeah I think I should
[22:08] <vorlon> doing
[22:08] <vorlon> bro-aux, bustle have migrated
[22:09] <vorlon> c2esp just unblocked (as discussed in Foundations stand-up: it's seeded but it's a Recommends so things carry on without it
[22:10] <vorlon> which that looks like the last package from main that was missing that would affect images?  the full list of sources in main was c2esp gcc-14-cross lftp linux-firmware nullboot openvswitch s390-tools.  lftp, openvswitch, s390-tools have all been accepted already
[22:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted bear [source] (noble-proposed) [3.1.3-1build4]
[22:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted bornagain [sync] (noble-proposed) [21.1+ds3-4]
[22:11] <vorlon> hmmmm linux-firmware has no version in -proposed
[22:11] <vorlon> and no amd64 build in release
[22:12] <vorlon> we just missed doing a no-change rebuild of it because of the ^linux- pattern match. uploading now
[22:13] <vorlon> bdmurray: ^ that particular noble-updates removal probably makes all image builds angry
[22:14] <vorlon> looking at calculix-ccx
[22:14] <vorlon> has migrated
[22:14] <vorlon> care
[22:14] <vorlon> migrated
[22:15] <vorlon> cbatticon was i386, sort
[22:15] <vorlon> +ed
[22:15] <vorlon> cdcd, ciopfs, clamz were i386
[22:15] <vorlon> clanlib migrated
[22:16] <vorlon> clblas, handled per above
[22:16] <vorlon> clutter-imcontext
[22:16] <vorlon> migrated
[22:16] <vorlon> code-saturne
[22:16] <vorlon> removed
[22:16] <vorlon> cohomcag
[22:16] <vorlon> *cohomcalg
[22:17] <bdmurray> vorlon: so we need to wait for linux-firmware to migrate too?
[22:17] <mwhudson> oh i must have misread linux-firmware version numbers yesterday, i thought the version in release was newer than updates
[22:17] <vorlon> bdmurray: yeah.  just uploaded, should hit unapproved queue shortly
[22:17] <vorlon> mwhudson: well even if it was there was no amd64 binary which is Problematic
[22:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: linux-firmware (noble-proposed/main) [20240318.git3b128b60-0ubuntu1 => 20240318.git3b128b60-0ubuntu2] (core, kernel)
[22:17] <mwhudson> vorlon: i guess that's the real thing i should check yes
[22:17] <vorlon> cohomcalg migrated
[22:18] <vorlon> connman-ui migrated
[22:19] <vorlon> coq shows problems still on armhf, digging...
[22:20] <enr0n> biosig FTBFS because it still uses numpy.distutils (bug 2060746). I need to EOD so I will look into it more tomorrow
[22:20] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Bug 2060746 in biosig (Ubuntu) "biosig FTBFS due to use of deprecated numpy.distutils" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2060746
[22:20] <vorlon> mclemenceau_: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/noble/ubuntu/+build/602963 so that should be spitting an image out soon I think? (unless linux-firmware breaks the squashfs->iso part, but we can rerun that quickly if we want)
[22:21] <mclemenceau_> Excellent Thanks vorlon !
[22:22] <vorlon> .... why is abs() not defined in stdlib.h on armhf
[22:27] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: coq-elpi (noble-proposed/universe) [1.19.3-2build4 => 1.19.3-2build5] (no packageset)
[22:29] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected coq-elpi [source] (noble-proposed) [1.19.3-2build5]
[22:29] <vorlon> bdmurray: self-accepting linux-firmware
[22:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted linux-firmware [source] (noble-proposed) [20240318.git3b128b60-0ubuntu2]
[22:33] <vorlon> coq blocked on various queued autopkgtests
[22:33] <vorlon> cpdb-backend-file
[22:33] <vorlon> removed
[22:33] <vorlon> crossfire
[22:37] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: I tried asking earlier, but does anybody have any idea what's going on with linux-meta-lowlatency (or the lowlatency kernel in general)? Without attempting to spark flames in here, it seems as though it's been neglected.
[22:39] <bdmurray> vorlon: I typo'ed the unblock for calamares-settings-ubuntu should we manually promote it?
[22:46] <vorlon> bdmurray: I see no reason not to
[22:51] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: I see linux-lowlatency @ 6.8 in noble, which seems like where it's supposed to be?
[22:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: calamares-settings-ubuntu (noble-release/universe) [1:24.04.25 => 1:24.04.25] (lubuntu, ubuntustudio) (sync)
[22:55] <vorlon> bdmurray: oops, '--auto-approve'
[22:56] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: 6.8.0-7 but generic is at 6.8.0-20. I see lowlatency is 6.8.20 in proposed, only just uploaded today (copied fromthe PPA)?
[22:56] <vorlon> bdmurray: (^ accepted now)
[22:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted calamares-settings-ubuntu [sync] (noble-release) [1:24.04.25]
[22:56] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: I don't assume that the package revision numbers are supposed to be in sync? but if there's a question I think you should contact the uploader
[22:56] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Tried, no response (apw).
[22:57] <vorlon> ah
[22:58] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted apparmor [sync] (jammy-proposed) [3.0.4-2ubuntu2.4]
[22:59] <bdmurray> vorlon: you mean calamares-settings-ubuntu? I also did a copy
[23:00] <vorlon> bdmurray: yeah your copy wound up in the unapproved queue because I forgot to tell you --auto-approve
[23:01] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted apparmor [sync] (focal-proposed) [2.13.3-7ubuntu5.4]
[23:01] <bdmurray> ah-ha
[23:04] <vorlon> oh gee I was worried for a second.  I go to the crossfire website and I see their 'development' page talks about CVS
[23:04] <vorlon> but then I scroll down and see they also have a subversion repo
[23:05] <vorlon> so crossfire builds on all archs except armhf, but the missing prototype is for a function that's obsoleted in python3.12 :P
[23:06] <sbeattie> bdmurray: thank you!
[23:06] <vorlon> removing crossfire
[23:06] <vorlon> cura-engine
[23:07] <Eickmeyer> CVS > stuck reading long receipts. 😁
[23:07] <vorlon> saw a truck out the other day from a company calling themselves SVN
[23:07] <Eickmeyer> XD
[23:08] <vorlon> cura-engine: already removed from the release pocket for LP: #2059171
[23:08] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 2059171 in cura-engine (Ubuntu) "cura-engine regression in tests on armhf for 1:5.0.0-4build1" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2059171
[23:09] <vorlon> cutmp3 migrated (was i386)
[23:10] <vorlon> cyrus-imapd, daemonlogger, dante, dapl, dares migrated
[23:10] <vorlon> das-watchdog
[23:13] <vorlon> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1052226 heh
[23:13] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Debian bug 1052226 in das-watchdog "das-watchdog: package description severely oudated, what is kernel 2.6 or 2.4?" [Minor, Open]
[23:17] <vorlon> mclemenceau_: had to add it manually to the tracker for some reason https://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/452/builds/299171/testcases
[23:18] <vorlon> oh well also, the image isn't posted!
[23:18] <vorlon> ah no
[23:18] <vorlon> mclemenceau_: ignore that link, it didn't post because the image build failed. But that's a debian-cd fix
[23:22] <vorlon> dcraw
[23:23] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: das-watchdog (noble-proposed/universe) [0.9.0-4build2 => 0.9.0-4ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[23:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted das-watchdog [source] (noble-proposed) [0.9.0-4ubuntu1]
[23:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: mozjs102 (noble-proposed/universe) [102.15.1-3ubuntu1 => 102.15.1-3ubuntu2] (no packageset)
[23:32] <arraybolt3> ^ can wait until after beta, fixes the mozjs102 ftbfs
[23:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted mozjs102 [source] (noble-proposed) [102.15.1-3ubuntu2]
[23:53] <vorlon> blah also needs an ubuntu-cdimage fix for x13s
[23:55] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: well, linux-lowlatency 20 is in noble-proposed
[23:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: dcraw (noble-proposed/universe) [9.28-5build1 => 9.28-5ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[23:57] <vorlon> deepin-log-viewer
[23:57] <vorlon> migrated
[23:58] <vorlon> devilspie, dhcp-probe, dnstop, dsda-doom, dvblast, migrated
[23:58] <vorlon> dvbstreamer
[23:58] <Eickmeyer> vorlon: Yeah, hence I said "I see lowlatency is 6.8.20 in proposed, only just uploaded today".
[23:59] <vorlon> Eickmeyer: ok I missed that part before, sorry
[23:59] <bdmurray> I'm tyring to sort out s390x autopkgtesting


[13:01] <BubbaBeans> hi all
[13:02] <BubbaBeans> anyone here have experience writing startup scripts for edubuntu?
[14:16] <BubbaBeans> wow, busy room


 Hi, is anyone else unable to see any conversation inside TELEports?, I'm on the Volla
 I already cleared data, but it kept like that
 [Edit] I already cleared data, but it stayed like that
 @vince1171 [Here it is ;) … https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NxqQCCd9xk/], Thanks man!
 @Flohack [Ok so one thing: Charging information is a problem in recent devices. I found th …], It's interesting because for the Volla there are much less items than for those shown for example by Vince:
 Fwd from TartanSpartan: phablet@ubuntu-phablet:/sys/devices/platform/battery/power_supply/battery$ ls … capacity        current_avg  device  present    technology  uevent … charge_counter  current_now  health  status     temp        voltage_now … charge_full     cycle_count  power   subsystem  type
 I wonder if your changes @Flohack  will help the implementation of this indicator for the Volla because right now it isn't showing things like the ``cycle_count``. Here's what it looks like:
 [Edit] I wonder if your changes @Flohack  will help the implementation of this indicator for the Volla because right now it isn't showing things like the `cycle_count`. Here's what it looks like:
 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/17JavWSl.png
[02:03] <ubptgbot> tosti nacho was added by: tosti nacho
 @the_cave_dweller [Hi, is anyone else unable to see any conversation inside TELEports?, I'm on the …], do you have other UT devices to test it from? … that seems to be the known random issue which usually just fixes itself after a random amount of time
 https://www.pling.com/p/1495288/
 @Javacookies [do you have other UT devices to test it from? … that seems to be the known random …], Really? 😢, not at the moment, I hope it will somehow just work later
 But thanks
 sadly, it seems to be an issue with tdlib, official telegram library, so TELEports can't do anything about it
 He how to use ub on my mobile ??
 ^ Which phone do you have?
 The answer to your question depends on the answer to my question.
[03:37] <ubptgbot> <: )> (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/SQ4EFN6y.webp
 @TartanSpartan [I wonder if your changes @Flohack  will help the implementation of this indicato …], Please dontping me in every message, it was 2am here...
[06:48] <ubptgbot> Edwin Hao was added by: Edwin Hao
[07:26] <ubptgbot> NocturnalEngine was added by: NocturnalEngine
 @dohbee [The phone will still charge in that situation. Describing it as "no charging sup …], Ahh okay. Thanks for the explanation!
 Quick query, is it possible to dual boot Ubuntu with Lineage using EFIdroid?
 @NocturnalEngine [Quick query, is it possible to dual boot Ubuntu with Lineage using EFIdroid?], The device in question is bacon
 I don't think it might be posiible on bacon
 on newer a/b devices you can simply change slot from a to b, but older devices are non-a/b
 [Edit] on newer a/b devices you can simply change slot from a to b, but older devices are non-a/b (one slot)
 I was able to switch to a ubuntu recovery but i couldn't manage to install the os using the installer.
 Is there a way to manually flash the os?
 Hello. How to make a bash script that will be launched as clickable&
 BBVA: Para realizar tu operacion utiliza el codigo 017041
 @pupe69 remove that
 Just a reminder to users. Please don't post your banking codes 😂
[09:50] <ubptgbot> Louie Flowers was added by: Louie Flowers
 @ruditimmer [Hi, … Me and a few Ubuntu Touch community members have decided to start an Anbox …], Wow, thank you to those that have already donated. I have made my contribution, but I doubt anyone can duplicate the 1000 EUR donated by Jörg Wurzer. Thank you friend for your huge donation!
 Please tell me !!
 Fwd from pabbloescobarr: Greetings!!! Can you please tell me what to do!! The bootloader is unlocked !! I'm trying to flash it further through UBportsInctaller but it doesn't work !! The download is in progress at first while in Fastboot mode there is some kind of download in the program) then it reboots into Recavery and everythin
[10:15] <ubptgbot> g gets up on it! Can I flash the TWRP first ?? Tell me! Everything is simple not like the video does not have such a way to load in Recavery !!
 Fwd from S1zENY: И что тут сложного ? https://youtu.be/zuLFTGkuD68
 @rikshaw [Wow, thank you to those that have already donated. I have made my contribution, …], Indeed i have already thank Jorg for that.
 @pabbloescobarr [Please tell me !!], Redmi Note 7
[10:33] <ubptgbot> <Louie Flowers> [https://twitter.com/PA_EllonnMuusk/statuс/3787889002255859](https://cutt.ly/ExbpTNz) … Magnificent! 🚀🚀🚀
[10:43] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @rikshaw [Wow, thank you to those that have already donated. I have made my contribution, …], Waw! Awesome! A Huge Thanks to Jörg !!
 how can i know what santoni has already finished?  I did not see any information, except for the download button on the device page
 that means someone will need to take the time to add the information
 @rikshaw [Wow, thank you to those that have already donated. I have made my contribution, …], Great job, Jorg! This is very exciting indeed.  great work guys
[13:20] <ubptgbot> TheSrikanthG was added by: TheSrikanthG
 @Flohack [Its not a Swiss company its from the Netherlands... See https://www.fairphone.co …], Yes, on the Website its in Holland, but after contacting the they found out Im calling from switzerland and they said then I could call the HQ in Switzerland, as the Inventors are located here... Dont asked about the company politics or why
[13:21] <ubptgbot> what is located where. We invited them to come to us for talking about future things, but Ill remember to ask them
 @Fuseteam [that means someone will need to take the time to add the information], How i can contribute?
 @TheBakerCat [How i can contribute?], if you have the device you can contribute to gitlab.com/ubports/infrastructure/devices.ubuntu-touch.io
 Any update on the echoing from phone calls yet
 @darthsavaloy [Any update on the echoing from phone calls yet], on lavender? that should be fixed iiuc
 https://t.me/ubports/331048
[15:14] <ubptgbot> Lily_Jay was added by: Lily_Jay
 👍
 i want to suggest that more UI features be made into gestures … e.x. back buttons, option menus … for option menus it would be great if we had the pull down gesture from sailfish
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/l21SvpuI.mp4
 I don't think the pull down gesture will ever come to UT. Sailfish OS and UT designs are very different despite both being gesture based. Sailfish OS is mainly for touch or mobile devices while UT is trying to be convergent.
 @HengYeDev [i want to suggest that more UI features be made into gestures … e.x. back buttons, …], the thing is what gestures?
 kugi has a nice bottom edge gesture for option menu and back tho :^3
 Also, I have one quite big concern about it... when there is a list and it's long😅
 for the pull down you mean?
 @Fuseteam [kugi has a nice bottom edge gesture for option menu and back tho :^3], I treat it like a "helper" … it's there but you don't need to use it and it's not taking out anything from the app 😄
 @Fuseteam [for the pull down you mean?], yes, and the pull down menus can be from the top and bottom. When there's a list and you scroll somewhere in the middle, you can't easily open those menus
 sailfish pull-down gestures are nice, as are the back/forward swipe ones
 honestly sailfish's gestures are all pretty amazing
 horizontal swipe for going back or forward similar to Sailfish and Plasma can be good though … we just need to give up the list item swipes 😛
 means your app is like 99% content rather than 75% content and 25% buttons 😆
 @Javacookies [I treat it like a "helper" … it's there but you don't need to use it and it's not …], i'm starting to like it tbh, not totally obvious at first but once you get it, you get it
 @Javacookies [horizontal swipe for going back or forward similar to Sailfish and Plasma can be …], noooooo not the the trailing actionssss 😂
 @PiecerEdd [honestly sailfish's gestures are all pretty amazing], I don't have extensive experience with Sailfish but I agree. It's one of the benefits of focusing on one goal. Designing convergent UX can be really hard and limiting unfortunately 😅
 @Javacookies [horizontal swipe for going back or forward similar to Sailfish and Plasma can be …], I like that feature of sailfish, its dificult t reach back button on big phones, so much easier with a swipe
 @Javacookies [horizontal swipe for going back or forward similar to Sailfish and Plasma can be …], [Edit] I like that feature of sailfish, its dificult to reach back button on big phones, so much easier with a swipe
 indeed, one pain point on UT right now and to make it worse, default back buttons are usually small 😅
 I like some apps like QML Creator and where the back button is the icon plus the title beside it so it's easy to hit at least
[16:03] <ubptgbot> vikipranata was added by: vikipranata
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/XH0BFAHL.mp4
 is that the N9?
 how teeny does that phone look now
 I think it's still perfect sized
 The whole experience was thought for you to reach any part of the system with 3 swipes maximum and with a single hand
 was just talking about this in another telegram group, I've still got all my old phones, its amazing to see the size progression
 yeah, Sailfish gestures are more or less the same as meego's
 Sailfish is some kind of a successor to Meego right?
 I think there's a few additional ones but they're by and large the same from what I remember (I only used Meego a little bit)
 yeah, its the same team from Nokia who made it
 Canonical brought in a lot of the good ideas in the original version of the OS
 that whole family of OS's is a convoluted web of madness
 @Javacookies [Sailfish is some kind of a successor to Meego right?], maybe in spirit perhaps, but not really afaik. Tizen was the direct successor to it
 (Photo, 1019x729) https://irc.ubports.com/AWw0ddEz.png
 @dohbee [maybe in spirit perhaps, but not really afaik. Tizen was the direct successor to …], and Mer... and Nemo... 😆
 @PiecerEdd [is that the N9?], I have an N9, it's so small
 @Lyokanthrope [I have an N9, it's so small], ❤❤
 Oh hi Sam
 when I first used an iPhone 2G, it was so big to my eyes … then I saw Samsung S3, it's too big again … then both are too small now 😂 … I'm good with 5" screens nowadays
 Sometimes I go back and try to use my Moto X XT1060. Then I realize that I really don't want phones that small to come back.
 Meanwhile here I am with a 6" phone
 better be the fxtec
 God I wish
 love my Cosmo phone, 6" internal screen and a fold-out keyboard I can 2-hand type on 😆😆
 Someday I hope to have the money to throw at things like that
 @Lyokanthrope [Someday I hope to have the money to throw at things like that], once you have the money, you won't have the time to use it 😆
 @Javacookies [I don't have extensive experience with Sailfish but I agree. It's one of the ben …], that's right, in my x86 UEFI build i can barely use it without touchscreen
 i wonder if ubuntu touch can be installed on neo freerunner's. i would buy one.
 doesn't have enough RAM or storage i guess
 As far as size goes - have to say the Volla with its stock case feels excellent in my hand. Where as my Meizu Pro 5 in its case always felt a tiny bit too wide for confort. It's amazing the difference in just a few millimeters can make in this.
 [Edit] As far as size goes - have to say the Volla with its stock case feels excellent in my hand. Where as my Meizu Pro 5 in its case always felt a tiny bit too wide for comfort. It's amazing the difference in just a few millimeters can make in this.
 @Flohack [Please dontping me in every message, it was 2am here...], Sorry my friend.
 Do you know about my question, though?
 @TotalSonic [As far as size goes - have to say the Volla with its stock case feels excellent …], yeah, good thing phones nowadays are taller so they can stay narrow even with bigger screen
 @TartanSpartan [Do you know about my question, though?], First lets fix one problem, then fix the next one :P
 @Javacookies [yeah, good thing phones nowadays are taller so they can stay narrow even with bi …], Yup - and bezels getting much smaller in current designs is helping towards that as well.
[20:49] <ubptgbot> <Ted Rendol> @C0n57an71n [Hi! Had anybody from you noticed a slightly decrease in Nexus's 5 performance af …], Not really
[21:30] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @darthsavaloy [Any update on the echoing from phone calls yet], If you are on the stable channel and don't want to wait for the next OTA, you can try this: … Open terminal and type: setprop persist.audio.fluence.voicecall false
[21:31] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @darthsavaloy [Any update on the echoing from phone calls yet], [Edit] If you are on the stable channel and don't want to wait for the next OTA, you can try this: … Open terminal and type:  … setprop persist.audio.fluence.voicecall false
 @Steve Kueffer [If you are on the stable channel and don't want to wait for the next OTA, you ca …], oh, maybe that can help that company
 they posted a job and on thing they listed was fixing echo on their device
 @mateosalta [they posted a job and on thing they listed was fixing echo on their device], That is Sage Tea Mobile - seems they are using refurbished rebranded Samsung Galaxy Edge S7 - I sent them an email with the fix. https://sageteamobile.com/
 @mateosalta [they posted a job and on thing they listed was fixing echo on their device], [Edit] That is Sage Tea Mobile - seems they are using rebraned refurbished Samsung (not sure of the model) I sent them an email with the fix. https://sageteamobile.com/
 @mateosalta [they posted a job and on thing they listed was fixing echo on their device], [Edit] That is Sage Tea Mobile - seems they are using rebranded refurbished Samsung (not sure of the model) I sent them an email with the fix. https://sageteamobile.com/
 Ubuntu touch worked with android ROM using multirom confirmed in poco f1 but I cant get WiFi working on 2nd android ROM sad :(
 [Edit] Ubuntu touch worked with android ROM using multirom confirmed in poco f1 but I cant get WiFi working on 2nd android ROM but else is oki sad :(
 Does anyone know if there's a way to lock all Anbox apps to portrait orientation? They still won't present well in landscape.
 I thought you might find it under ``cd /userdata/system-data/opt/click.ubuntu.com/`` but that does just seem to be for (non-system app) clicks.
 [Edit] I thought you might find it under `cd /userdata/system-data/opt/click.ubuntu.com/` but that does just seem to be for (non-system app) clicks.
 are looking for where the android app desktop files are?


[11:05] <Bachstel1e> /hahahttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1810805
[11:06] <Bachstel1e> lol another guy ho thinks I'm Ken Thompson :o
[15:28] <ole_oz6oh> hello friends off ubuntu
[15:30] <ole_oz6oh> i am looking for a source from brainstorm called Idea #414441 a hello world graphic program
[15:31] <ole_oz6oh> no people here??
[15:32] <ole_oz6oh> no answer=no problems
[15:34] <Pici> ole_oz6oh: I'm not sure what you're asking.  Ubuntu Brainstorm has their own channel in #ubuntu-brainstorm, and the main Ubuntu support channel is #ubuntu
[15:38] <Bachstel1e> a hello world graphic program
[15:39] <Bachstel1e> I think that's the one thing Ubuntu lacks
[15:39] <Bachstel1e> and when we have that we can dominate the OS world


[15:02] <GyrosGeier> hi
[15:02] <GyrosGeier> is there a way to display all bugs on one page?
[15:03] <GyrosGeier> I have a list of 600 bugs, with a lot of duplicates, and would like to merge some
[15:23] <GyrosGeier> also, is there a way to delete blueprints?
[15:23] <GyrosGeier> we have a lot of blueprints that are really wishlist bugs
[23:03] <cjwatson> GyrosGeier: You'd be better off using the API for that kind of work.  Trying to significantly increase the batch size will sooner or later just time out.
[23:03] <cjwatson> GyrosGeier: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/489288
[23:03] <cjwatson> (or https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/177519)


[22:13] <Tigerboy> cheers to all in Egypt...
[22:23] <OCboy> where're u from ?
[22:24] <Tigerboy> USA and England
[22:24] <OCboy> where are u at mment
[22:25] <OCboy>  momnet*
[22:25] <OCboy> feel drunk cant typr right letters lol
[22:29] <Tigerboy> oh sorry in USA
[22:29] <Tigerboy> we are all supporting you 100 percent
[22:29] <Tigerboy> assuming you are not a mubarak staffer :)
[22:31] <Tigerboy> are you in Egypt?\
[22:31] <OCboy> i'm not his .. but to be honest dont trust USA anymore
[22:31] <Tigerboy> No it is not USA it's Israel
[22:31] <Tigerboy> and you can trust the people who are not brainwashed
[22:32] <Tigerboy> it seems like our government supports him but it's only israel
[22:32] <Tigerboy> USA would be much better off if Egypt were totally free.
[22:33] <Tigerboy> only one that benefits by repression is Israel
[22:33] <OCboy> buddy u shold know that USA & Isreal are
[22:33] <Tigerboy> what?
[22:33] <OCboy> two faces to same coin
[22:33] <Tigerboy> no
[22:33] <Tigerboy> the problem is Israel has a network that hijacks or political system
[22:34] <Tigerboy> israel costs the USA trillions in money and countless lost lives
[22:34] <Tigerboy> they make it so a politician cannot be elected
[22:34] <Tigerboy> You see they take money from our treasury to subvert our democracy
[22:35] <Tigerboy> not the same coin
[22:35] <Tigerboy> did you know 76 percent of americans including jews want to cut off military aid to Israel
[22:35] <Tigerboy> well that poll was covered up
[22:35] <Tigerboy> because they control the US media
[22:36] <Tigerboy> Israel is a big scam a criminal organisation
[22:36] <OCboy> just second
[22:36] <Tigerboy> There are good people in Israel but not those that run it.
[22:36] <OCboy> wait secind
[22:36] <Tigerboy> ok
[22:36] <OCboy> second*
[22:36] <Tigerboy> Obama actually made it possible to have this revolution
[22:36] <Tigerboy> he did it in spite of Israel
[22:37] <Tigerboy> Now israel is trying to stop it.
[22:37] <OCboy> let me answer pls
[22:37] <OCboy> u wanna say that u support us ?
[22:37] <Tigerboy> Israeli government said they want egypt not to have a democracy for at least one more generation
[22:37] <OCboy> do u wanna say that u like us
[22:37] <OCboy> ?
[22:37] <OCboy> i mean usa ?
[22:37] <Tigerboy> yes I know I support egypt
[22:38] <Tigerboy> and the USA does
[22:38] <Tigerboy> the people do
[22:38] <OCboy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syi2Yoflcqs
[22:38] <Tigerboy> let me see be back in a minute
[22:38] <OCboy> watch it and dont tell me that bullshits
[22:45] <Tigerboy> hi thank you
[22:45] <Tigerboy> ok it is very complicated
[22:46] <Tigerboy> the USA has a certain group of people that are racists and they were brainwashed
[22:46] <Tigerboy> they needed someone to hate and Bush has said it is ok to hate arabs
[22:46] <Tigerboy> Israel is behind this
[22:46] <Tigerboy> Israel is pushing this
[22:46] <Tigerboy> But most people don't feel this way
[22:46] <Tigerboy> they are just idiots
[22:46] <Tigerboy> idiots that don't care to learn the truth
[22:47] <Tigerboy> I blame them for not fighting brainwashing.
[22:47] <OCboy> i know not all of american aer racists .. i dosen't matter
[22:47] <Tigerboy> But the real criminal is Israel and it's agents in the usa
[22:47] <Tigerboy> most are not
[22:48] <Tigerboy> USA is occupied just like Palestine it is just not obvious
[22:48] <Tigerboy> israel has come into the USA and murdered americans
[22:48] <OCboy> pleased to talk with u wanna smoke excuse me
[22:48] <Tigerboy> ok


[17:11] <hakimsheriff> Hey People
[23:29] <awanti> Hi. I'm from india. I have completed my M.Sc (IT) and i am red hat certified. Presently i am working small company in Bangalore (india) as a System Admin. From last 3 + years i am using/working on  ubuntu.
[23:31] <awanti> Now i want to start Ubuntu support in my region. So I need your help