[12:11] <crimsun> git-format-patch -o ~/logs master
[12:11] <LaserJock> *well
[12:11] <crimsun> err, oops
[12:11] <luisbg> the bright side is... all the hype means ubuntu is really getting a huge user base
[12:12] <luisbg> how many machines running ubuntu do you reckon?
[12:12] <LaserJock> theCore: http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/all-packages.html has pretty much all the info you need
[12:12] <crimsun> LaserJock: hey, it's your sound you're playing fast and loose with
[12:12] <theCore> LaserJock, thanks
[12:12] <imbrandon> luisbg: last i heard there was 12 million installs last est bt canonical but thats a few months ago
[12:12] <LaserJock> crimsun: who needs sound anyway?
[12:13] <crimsun> not me!
[12:13] <imbrandon> s/bt/by
[12:13] <imbrandon> i have no idea how they come up with the numbers
[12:13] <LaserJock> crimsun: I honestly don't use sound very much as I usually work around people who are annoyed by it
[12:13] <LaserJock> ntp
[12:13] <crimsun> LaserJock: sound's one of those things people just tend not to notice unless it doesn't work
[12:13] <imbrandon> i cant live without my amarok, i hope my rommie in mtv likes my music heh
[12:14] <crimsun> then all hell breaks loose
[12:14] <LaserJock> yep
[12:14] <imbrandon> crimsun: kinda like email
[12:15] <imbrandon> i learned one thing working for an ISP as a sysadmin for 9 years, someones website can be down for 2 days and they whine a little and you might get a phone call , possibly , but if email is down 20 minutes the phone is off the hook and all hell breaks loose
[12:15] <theCore> hmm... no bug
[12:15] <luisbg> I want to know how ubuntu works from the inside out in depth... where should I go? (is there a free online version of the ubuntu book? and is it too user oriented?)
[12:15] <LaserJock> yeah, mine was down for 3 *days*
[12:15] <imbrandon> wow
[12:15] <LaserJock> good thing I know the sysadmin
[12:16] <LaserJock> or he'd be having some hate mail when he got the server up again ;-)
[12:16] <theCore> I wonder what cause bug 57951
[12:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57951 in xchat "xchat crashes frequently on quit" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/57951
[12:16] <imbrandon> luisbg: alot of things arent 100% transparent but look into the debian way and its very similar
[12:16] <imbrandon> luisbg: things like soyuz isnt "open" etc to know exactly how it works
[12:17] <luisbg> imbrandon, why not?
[12:17] <LaserJock> luisbg: Launchpad is a closed source app
[12:17] <imbrandon> luisbg: i dont know to be honest
[12:17] <bhale> even if it was open, it would be less than useful
[12:17] <LaserJock> very true
[12:17] <luisbg> lol
[12:17] <imbrandon> but LP is closed for one and we rely on it
[12:17] <bhale> its managed by a very large staff of programmers and sysadmins
[12:17] <bhale> across many servers
[12:17] <imbrandon> yup
[12:17] <bhale> if you had the code you couldnt easily use it
[12:17] <luisbg> my question is where can I get the information of how ubuntu works, a easy to follow documentation
[12:18] <bhale> can you narrow that down a bit?
[12:18] <imbrandon> luisbg: there are thousands of ways that can be intrepreted
[12:18] <imbrandon> how in what way>
[12:18] <imbrandon> ?
[12:18] <luisbg> I have a lot of docu about packaging, and have started doing my packaging
[12:18] <imbrandon> we're happy to help when we can or point you in the right direction but we need a little more focus
[12:18] <luisbg> but with time would like to help the core-dev
[12:19] <imbrandon> luisbg: then the best thing in that respect is learn as much about packaing as you can and all the diffrent ways it can be done and such
[12:19] <imbrandon> to start with
[12:20] <luisbg> is there a "and then..."?
[12:20] <imbrandon> like python packaing , ruby packing , mono-cli packing , library packing etc are all slightly diffrent
[12:20] <imbrandon> the and then is to start working on main bugs as a MOTU with a core-dev sponsor or sponsors, after some time you go infront of the TB
[12:21] <imbrandon> and they vouch for you and your woprk is reviewed
[12:21] <luisbg> TB?
[12:21] <imbrandon> if all go's well you are core-dev with main upload rights ( this is all greately simplified )
[12:21] <imbrandon> technical board
[12:22] <luisbg> oh ok
[12:22] <luisbg> thanks for the info imbrandon =)
[12:22] <imbrandon> :)
[12:23] <luisbg> I have started trying to fix unmetdep bugs, have uploaded some debdiffs to launchpad
[12:23] <bhale> you have to have *significant* experience before going for core-dev
[12:23] <bhale> not to discourage, but you cant rush it
[12:23] <luisbg> but I still have a long travel of learning =) which is always good
[12:23] <luisbg> I have no rush
[12:23] <imbrandon> luisbg: great , thats some good first steps for MOTU , keep it up, if you stick with it and us in here you'll mpick it up soon enough :)
[12:24] <luisbg> I want to contribute, not have this or that "label", plus... I want to learn as much as I can, in its rythm
[12:24] <luisbg> imbrandon, will do ;)
[12:25] <luisbg> the only thing I want to rush is having at least one point of karma in the launchpad LOL
[12:25] <luisbg> that "0" looks so sad
[12:25] <imbrandon> luisbg: i can tell you one thing, i lurked in here for 3 months without saying much of anything before i started asking questions etc , that is when you learn the basics ( every one is diffrent but i learn by watching )
[12:25] <azeem> bddebian: do you still have your bkchem package around?
[12:25] <bhale> imbrandon: hah it sucked being first
[12:26] <bhale> imbrandon: i felt like an idiot talking to mdz
[12:26] <imbrandon> luisbg: thats not to say dont ask , i was just giving what __I__ did
[12:26] <luisbg> imbrandon, are you asking me to "shut up and listen"? (not in a degrading way of course)
[12:26] <imbrandon> no no not at all
[12:26] <luisbg> imbrandon, LOL
[12:26] <imbrandon> i'm saying you can learn alot though by watching
[12:26] <imbrandon> bhale: hehe
[12:27] <imbrandon> bhale: my core-dev interview was 1+ hour long just on __me__ , i thought for sure i wouldent get it after that long, but i did :)
[12:27] <bhale> heh
[12:27] <imbrandon> like an hour and 15 minutes or something close to that
[12:27] <bhale> its getting harder
[12:27] <bhale> because the TB doesnt know everyone personally
[12:28] <bddebian> azeem: Yeah, I think so, why?
[12:28] <imbrandon> yea and working mostly only on KDE packages myself they knew me very little
[12:28] <imbrandon> they == TB
[12:28] <azeem> bddebian: did you use python-support or python-central or something?
[12:28] <crimsun> imbrandon: to be fair, only about half that amount of time was TB actually "grilling" you.
[12:29] <imbrandon> crimsun: true
[12:29] <imbrandon> alot was lag time waiting
[12:29] <imbrandon> but it seemed like forever
[12:29] <imbrandon> hehe
[12:30] <crimsun> yes, it always seems like an eternity when you're in the hot seat
[12:30] <crimsun> once hobbsee is core-dev, you guys will be on a roll
[12:30] <imbrandon> heh yea
[12:30] <imbrandon> definatly
[12:30] <imbrandon> +e in there somewherre
[12:31] <bddebian> azeem: pycentral
[12:31] <imbrandon> i hate this notebok keyboard
[12:31] <bddebian> Gotta eat dinner, bbiab
[12:31] <imbrandon> trying to use it more though so i can make sure all my "essentials" are on it and ready for MTV
[12:32] <azeem> bddebian: cool, can you put it up somewhere?  We need to migrate the unofficial bkchem package to new python policy, that would help a lot
[12:32] <imbrandon> as before i just used it as a "backup" when i wasent at my desktop
[12:39] <imbrandon> luisbg: there is a transition most of the time going on that new packagers can "get their feet wet" with too
[12:40] <imbrandon> like unmetdeps etc
[12:40] <luisbg> etc?
[12:41] <luisbg> unmetdeps are great for me right now =)
[12:41] <imbrandon> etc means , ummm ectectra ( sp? )
[12:41] <luisbg> too bad this days most unmetdeps are bigger bugs camouflaged, you guys did a hell of a job making all good for edgy
[12:41] <luisbg> ironic I want feisty to come and things to get wild, to have more stuff to play with :P
[12:42] <LaserJock> luisbg: me too, I'd like to go for core-dev sometime during Feisty
[12:42] <luisbg> imbrandon, I meant... can you make that etc broader?
[12:42] <LaserJock> but I need some practice with some sponsored uploads
[12:43] <luisbg> LaserJock, good luck
[12:43] <imbrandon> oh like a while back the libgamin transition ( rebuilds to make packages not use it anymore ) and ummm dh_iconcache from packages where it was missing
[12:43] <luisbg> I see a bright future for you :P
[12:43] <imbrandon> but those are both done, new ones will come along
[12:43] <LaserJock> luisbg: well, I'm not nearly as good as imbrandon or ajmitch or crimsun or bhale :/
[12:44] <luisbg> imbrandon, will be looking forward to give a hand in future transitions
[12:44] <imbrandon> LaserJock: blasphmey
[12:44] <imbrandon> :)
[12:44] <luisbg> LaserJock, practice makes perfection (insert karate kid quote here)
[12:44] <crimsun> s/crimsun/bddebian/
[12:44] <imbrandon> s/imbrandon/crimsun/
[12:44] <imbrandon> :)
[12:45] <crimsun> I don't think I'm going to win this battle.
[12:45] <luisbg> LaserJock, damn you and your ponies
[12:45] <LaserJock> don't blame me, I didn't start it
[12:46] <joejaxx> LaserJock: guess what?
[12:46] <imbrandon> instead of champaigne i'll spray mt dew everywhere :)
[12:46] <joejaxx> at does not work! :D
[12:46] <joejaxx> imbrandon: Lol
[12:47] <joejaxx> LaserJock: also i did pbuilder debuild *.dsc but it did not build any packages
[12:47] <LaserJock> imbrandon: well, you could sell your golden pony for a truck load of Mt. Dew
[12:47] <imbrandon> pbuilder build file.dsc
[12:47] <joejaxx> imbrandon: i know i did that
[12:47] <imbrandon> not debuild
[12:47] <luisbg> bbl
[12:47] <joejaxx> i do not get debian files from that though
[12:48] <LaserJock> joejaxx: where did you look for the .deb ?
[12:48] <imbrandon> joejaxx: look in /var/cache/pbuilder/result
[12:48] <joejaxx> oh
[12:48] <joejaxx> LaserJock: imbrandon i have a question about the at package
[12:49] <joejaxx> well it is my question before but
[12:49] <joejaxx> when you install at in debstrap it does not configure right
[12:49] <joejaxx> someone told me to look at strace
[12:49] <joejaxx> and that it was not outputting to syslog
[12:49] <jdong> would a MOTU be willing to consider looking at an azureus edgy-updates candidate for me?
[12:50] <joejaxx> he package configuration fails on starting the at daemon
[12:50] <jdong> full sources at http://buntudot.org/people/~jdong/azureus-edgy/, closes bug 42269
[12:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42269 in azureus "Does not create a tray icon" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42269
[12:51] <imbrandon> debootstap starts a daemon >?
[12:51] <crimsun> jdong: matthias's will probably supercede that.
[12:51] <joejaxx> imbrandon: no
[12:52] <jdong> crimsun: matthias's what?
[12:52] <joejaxx> chroot'd inside the debstrap environment
[12:52] <jdong> did he have a fix ready to upload already?
[12:52] <joejaxx> as in
[12:52] <crimsun> jdong: azureus package
[12:52] <jdong> crimsun: his is broken, or is there one that I don't know about?
[12:52] <joejaxx> chroot dbstrap-test
[12:52] <joejaxx> apt-get install at
[12:52] <crimsun> jdong: the latter, he was supposed to email mdz
[12:52] <jdong> ah, ok
[12:52] <jdong> I didn't know
[12:53] <crimsun> that's ok, you have a life.
[12:53] <jdong> crimsun: sadly, I don't think I do :D
[12:53] <bddebian> azeem: I'll stick it on bddebian.com, give me a sec
[12:53] <jdong> I've just been too absorbed in other nerdy stuff :)
[12:54] <jdong> 300 of which are duplicates of the flashplayer bug :D
[12:54] <crimsun> what flashplayer?
[12:54] <jdong> crimsun: from when I broke it a while back :D
[12:55] <imbrandon> time for some food, bbiab
[12:55] <crimsun> oh, flashplugin-nonfree?
[12:55] <jdong> yeah
[12:55] <jdong> still haunts my inbox
[12:55] <jdong> :)
[12:55] <jdong> mostly from people with too much time marking duplicates
[12:55] <crimsun> oh don't worry, it just gets worse.
[12:55] <jdong> (and then rejecting duplicates) ?!
[12:55] <jdong> so I got 30 dups, 10 of which got marked rejected.... which gives me 300 messages in my inbox :)
[12:56] <imbrandon> jdong: just think thats only one package, wait till your MOTU
[12:56] <jdong> imbrandon: I suppose by then I'll start filtering LP out of my inbox :)
[12:56] <crimsun> LP sends me about a thousand e-mails daily
[12:57] <imbrandon> yea i get aobut 400 or 500 a day from LP
[12:57] <imbrandon> i only get to read about 100 of them
[12:57] <imbrandon> if that some days
[12:57] <jdong> wow
[12:57] <jdong> I guess I have no right to complain then :D
[12:57] <crimsun> complaining doesn't resolve anything; fixing bugs does :)
[12:57] <jdong> grr, azureus is doing a suckier job than ktorrent on this particular baddie :)
[12:57] <jdong> crimsun: the problem is the bug is already fixed :D
[12:58] <bddebian> azeem: http://www2.bddebian.com:8000/packages/ubuntu/bkchem/
[12:58] <LaserJock> bddebian: thanks dude
[12:58] <imbrandon> whoa , i dident know you had bddebian.com /me go's to fanboi
[12:59] <joejaxx> bddebian: hurd?
[12:59] <joejaxx> bddebian: is that the next debian release?
[12:59] <imbrandon> no heh
[12:59] <jdong> :)
[12:59] <jdong> joejaxx: no, it'll take longer :D
[12:59] <imbrandon> hurd is an alternative to the linnux kernel from GNU
[12:59] <joejaxx> oh
[12:59] <joejaxx> why whould someone want to do that?
[01:00] <jdong> joejaxx: ask wikipedia
[01:00] <joejaxx> ie why was the project started :)
[01:00] <jdong> joejaxx: GNU thinks linux is a hackjob, and a good OS should be engineered as one from ground up?
[01:00] <imbrandon> it was started about the same time as linux just dident catch on as well
[01:00] <jdong> besides, linux is getting boring :)
[01:01] <imbrandon> microkernel vs monolithic kernel too :)
[01:01] <ivoks> hurd? :)
[01:01] <joejaxx> are they trying to do this because everyone calls it linux and not gnu/kinux?
[01:01] <joejaxx> gnu/linux*
[01:01] <jdong> joejaxx: it still has to be called gnu/hurd
[01:01] <jdong> so it doesn't fix that "problem"
[01:02] <imbrandon> joejaxx: hurd was the first kernel for gnu systems, then linux cam and was less buggy and worked
[01:02] <LaserJock> that's a "feature" not a "problem" ;-p
[01:02] <imbrandon> thus was use
[01:02] <imbrandon> d
[01:02] <imbrandon> and i cant say /worked/ enough heh
[01:02] <joejaxx> oh ok
[01:03] <ivoks> does hurd work today?
[01:03] <imbrandon> also like i said you have the micro-kernel ( hurd ) vs monolithic kernel ( linux ) too , kinda like kde vs gnome
[01:04] <joejaxx> yeah
[01:04] <LaserJock> ivoks: for some value of "work"
[01:04] <imbrandon> and then you have darwin , micro-kernel + bsd(ish) kernel strapped togather :)
[01:04] <imbrandon> and ofcourse the bsd kernel
[01:04] <pcniatic> but there is a working version of hurd??
[01:05] <imbrandon> and dos kernels ( command.com ? ) and windows kernels ( ntldr.sys ? )
[01:05] <joejaxx> imbrandon: whould you like to help me solve the at dilemma?
[01:05] <joejaxx> imbrandon: yeah windows kernels
[01:05] <imbrandon> joejaxx: i know nothing about it
[01:05] <imbrandon> pcniatic: http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/
[01:05] <imbrandon> and http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/
[01:06] <joejaxx> imbrandon: well if you debstrap a test environment and try and install at it does not work
[01:06] <imbrandon> joejaxx: yea it works here, i have a etch , sid , dapper, edgy, and feisty chroots all setup using debootstrap
[01:07] <joejaxx> imbrandon: well when you chroot in what are the first things you do before you do anything major ie apt-get install
[01:07] <joejaxx> imbrandon: with me export LC_ALL & HOME and mout /sys and /proc
[01:07] <imbrandon> nothing
[01:07] <joejaxx> nothig?
[01:07] <joejaxx> nothing?
[01:07] <joejaxx> mount*
[01:07] <imbrandon> thats all done via dchroot and my .bashrc
[01:08] <joejaxx> dchroot?
[01:08] <ajmitch> LaserJock: bah, I'm not any better than you
[01:08] <joejaxx> imbrandon: i have never used that
[01:08] <LaserJock> ajmitch: sure you are
[01:08] <imbrandon> dchroot -c <chrootname> -d
[01:08] <imbrandon> :)
[01:08] <joejaxx> hmm
[01:09] <imbrandon> also you might want to setup the bind mounts in your fstab
[01:09] <jdong> they clean up after my messes :)
[01:09] <LaserJock> jdong: yeah, I just wish they were faster to unpack on my machines :(
[01:09] <joejaxx> jdong: Lol
[01:09] <jdong> LaserJock: yeah, there's a good 10 second delay to accessing a chroot, but it's worth it
[01:09] <joejaxx> i hate when this happens
[01:09] <joejaxx> root@equinox:/# umount /proc
[01:09] <joejaxx> umount: /proc: device is busy
[01:10] <joejaxx> :(
[01:10] <LaserJock> jdong: mine's a little longer then 10 s I think
[01:10] <jdong> LaserJock: loopbacking a reiserfs will give you quite a boost
[01:10] <jdong> but that takes setting aside a dedicated area of space
[01:10] <imbrandon> takes about 8s here to pbuilder-<dist> login
[01:11] <jdong> actually, jfs with nointegrity is a hair faster
[01:11] <joejaxx> so you all use pbuilder for chroot also?
[01:11] <jdong> I don't think everyone's as crazy as me, no
[01:11] <jdong> joejaxx: pbuilder takes extra time to unpack and clean every usage cycle....
[01:11] <imbrandon> joejaxx: i use both, depends on my need at the time
[01:11] <joejaxx> cleaning is nice
[01:12] <jdong> joejaxx: typically I use my chroots  to test backports and other experimental-nature packaging work
[01:12] <joejaxx> oh ok
[01:12] <jdong> joejaxx: so I'd rather do it in a self-cleaning environment
[01:12] <LaserJock> imbrandon: takes exactly 1 min 3 sec to do a pbuilder login on my fast machine
[01:12] <joejaxx> i am trying to use my chroots to build the fluxbuntu livecds
[01:12] <jdong> LaserJock: holy crap
[01:12] <imbrandon> LaserJock: wow
[01:12] <jdong> LaserJock: what is your setup?!?
[01:12] <jdong> I think my junk router/server unpacks faster than that
[01:12] <joejaxx> once i get past this at package error and can start
[01:13] <LaserJock> 2.8 GHz Celeron with 512 MB Ram
[01:13] <LaserJock> that's my laptop
[01:13] <imbrandon> ahh slow hdd
[01:13] <imbrandon> thats the holdup
[01:13] <jdong> yeah, your hd is likely to blame
[01:13] <imbrandon> 5400 rpm probably
[01:13] <ajmitch> LaserJock: how big is your base tarball & apt cache?
[01:13] <jdong> and 512MB of RAM is probably not helping you out
[01:13] <LaserJock> I also have a 1.3 GHz P4 with 256MB of Ram
[01:14] <jdong> imbrandon: my 5400rpm is MUCH faster than that!
[01:15] <ajmitch> heh, pbuilder login is somewhat broken on my box, due to the hook script used
[01:16] <LaserJock> the base tarball is 91 MB and the apt cache is 464 MB
[01:17] <joejaxx> how do i force a umount?
[01:17] <joejaxx> umount -f does not work
[01:17] <LaserJock> ok, on my intel imac at work it takes 20 s :-)
[01:17] <ajmitch> LaserJock: ok, that's pretty small
[01:18] <LaserJock> well, I reinstall so often there usually isn't even a chance for it to get that big
[01:18] <LaserJock> hmm, takes 38 s on my P4 1.3GHz
[01:18] <Jozo-> Hjum... sid-base.tgz 64MiB, edgy-base.tgz 59MiB, breezy-base.tgz 38MiB ....
[01:18] <LaserJock> this laptop sucks
[01:19] <joejaxx> bah/win 16
[01:20] <jdong> joejaxx: -l
[01:21] <jdong> joejaxx: WARNING: may send undesired SIGKILLs to random processes :D
[01:21] <joejaxx> that is not a app flag for umount is it?
[01:21] <jdong> yes
[01:21] <jdong> your results may vary, not responsible for damaged belongings, not a low calorie product
[01:21] <bhale> LaserJock: bah, bhale doesnt know anything
[01:21] <joejaxx> jdong: thanks
[01:22] <LaserJock> bhale: of course you do silly
[01:22] <joejaxx> jdong: that flag is not under --help lol
[01:22] <jdong> joejaxx: it's lazy unmount
[01:22] <LaserJock> bhale: you wouldn't be a core-dev and do the cool things you do if you didn't
[01:22] <joejaxx> jdong: normall i just restart my computer that works
[01:22] <joejaxx> normally
[01:22] <jdong> joejaxx: it is in the manpage
[01:22] <jdong>        -l     Lazy unmount. Detach the filesystem from the filesystem  hierar
[01:22] <jdong>               chy now, and cleanup all references to the filesystem as soon as
[01:22] <jdong>               it is not busy anymore.  (Requires kernel 2.4.11 or later.)
[01:23] <jdong> joejaxx: force unmount really doesn't do anything... unless you're using like NFS
[01:23] <joejaxx> oh ok
[01:24] <LaserJock> hmm, now I'm just confused as to why my laptop takes so long to unpack the base tarball
[01:24] <jdong> LaserJock: sane filesystem?
[01:24] <LaserJock> maybe that's also the reason why when I install stuff in synaptic it freezes so bad
[01:24] <jdong> not an XFS user, are you? :D
[01:24] <LaserJock> just default ext3
[01:25] <jdong> ok
[01:25] <LaserJock> I've never used anything but ext and reiser
[01:25] <jdong> btw, anyone know if I can get pbuilder to use a different form of compression for the tarball?
[01:25] <jdong> don't see anything enlightening in the manpage
[01:25] <LaserJock> jdong: you could probably patch it to
[01:26] <jdong> LaserJock: that's what I was thinking....
[01:26] <bhale> or you could just patch it to use straight tar
[01:26] <bhale> if you actually wanted to speed things up
[01:27] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:27] <jdong> bhale: I care slightly about disk space though :D
[01:27] <bhale> i have 3 chroots or so on my other laptop
[01:27] <joejaxx> chroots are fun
[01:27] <bhale> an empty debootstrap isnt that big
[01:27] <jdong> around 1GB for all my pbuilders added together
[01:27] <joejaxx> especially when you have dapper, dapper-dev dapper-test dapper-exp edgy edgy-dev edgy-test edgy-exp
[01:27] <jdong> enough for me to start caring on my space-limited machines
[01:29] <LaserJock> what are the -dev and -test for?
[01:29] <LaserJock> I just have dapper and edgy :/
[01:29] <LaserJock> well and sid
[01:31] <joejaxx> so how do i use pbuilder for chroot?
[01:31] <joejaxx> pbuilder login?
[01:31] <bhale> yes.
[01:32] <joejaxx> 15 seconds on mine
[01:32] <joejaxx> and when i exit it will clean itself up?
[01:32] <bhale> yes.
[01:32] <bhale> unless --save-after-login
[01:33] <joejaxx> should i still export home & LC_ALL and mount sys and proc?
[01:33] <LaserJock> no
[01:33] <LaserJock> but I don't do that in a chroot either
[01:33] <bhale> you need /proc in chroot often
[01:33] <bhale> but pbuilder handles it
[01:33] <LaserJock> right but I have bindmounts for that
[01:34] <LaserJock> I don't do it inside the chroot
[01:34] <bddebian> BTW LaserJock and azeem, there were still some issues with what I did :)
[01:34] <bhale> mount -t proc /proc /chroot/proc
[01:34] <joejaxx> oh also i was wondering why apt-get does this
[01:34] <bhale> works for me
[01:34] <joejaxx> Ign http://archive.fluxbuntu.net dapper Release.gpg
[01:34] <joejaxx> Ign http://archive.fluxbuntu.net dapper Release
[01:34] <bhale> same as bind mount effectively
[01:34] <LaserJock> bhale: sure
[01:34] <bhale> but seems more correct somehow
[01:34] <LaserJock> bddebian: better then nothing
[01:34] <bhale> shrug
[01:35] <joejaxx> anyone know how i can correct that?
[01:35] <joejaxx> is that because my pgp key is not in the keyring ?
[01:35] <bhale> it doesnt need Release, anyway
[01:35] <bhale> most likely you didnt make one?
[01:35] <joejaxx> i did make one
[01:36] <bhale> shrug
[01:36] <joejaxx> and gpg signed it
[01:36] <bhale> you really need Packages/Sources .gz
[01:36] <joejaxx> they are there
[01:36] <LaserJock> joejaxx: btw, have you seen https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot ?
[01:36] <bhale> ignoring releases is no big deal
[01:37] <imbrandon> joejaxx: how did you make the repo ? i recomend something like falcon, it automates most of that for no more packages than what you are working with
[01:37] <joejaxx> imbrandon: created the directory
[01:37] <imbrandon> ( i use it for my repos with less than 30 packages )
[01:37] <joejaxx> scanned them
[01:37] <joejaxx> created the *.gz and *.bz2
[01:37] <imbrandon> and Seveas obviously uses it for all his as he wrote it :)
[01:38] <joejaxx> lol
[01:38] <joejaxx> well i cannot actually install falcon on this machine
[01:38] <joejaxx> which is why i did it manually
[01:38] <imbrandon> joejaxx: yea try falcon, it takes about ~10 minutes to setup and will save you lots of mundane work when dealing with repos
[01:38] <joejaxx> and it still works
[01:38] <Jozo-> I use reprepro.
[01:38] <LaserJock> well you could use reprepro or mini-dinstall
[01:38] <joejaxx> are those default on debian?
[01:38] <imbrandon> you dont have to have falcon running on the machine where the repo is
[01:39] <joejaxx> if they are not i cannot use it
[01:39] <joejaxx> imbrandon: oh
[01:39] <imbrandon> it will mirror ( i host at dreamhost and run falcon localy )
[01:39] <joejaxx> imbrandon: ah
[01:39] <joejaxx> imbrandon: my predicament
[01:39] <joejaxx> :)
[01:39] <joejaxx> for some reason i like manually doing it
[01:39] <joejaxx> lol
[01:39] <imbrandon> imbrandon.com and buntudot.org are both on dreamhost :)
[01:39] <LaserJock> joejaxx: yes, reprepro and mini-dinstall are standard Debian tools
[01:39] <joejaxx> i will try falcon anyway though
[01:39] <joejaxx> LaserJock: ah ok good
[01:39] <joejaxx> imbrandon: :)
[01:40] <imbrandon> joejaxx: yea dh has reprepro installed ( not sure about mini-di )
[01:40] <joejaxx> oh ok
[01:41] <joejaxx> Setting up fluxbuntu-standard (0.1) ...
[01:41] <joejaxx> root@equinox:/#
[01:41] <imbrandon> dh it debian 3.1 based ( i assume you host fluxbuntu.net there from the IP )
[01:41] <joejaxx> do you knwo what that means? :D
[01:41] <joejaxx> know*
[01:41] <joejaxx> imbrandon: yes
[01:41] <joejaxx> imbrandon: yeah
[01:41] <joejaxx> i loved when i found out dpkg-scanpackages worked
[01:42] <joejaxx> before that i did it on my computer
[01:42] <joejaxx> and uploaded the directories
[01:42] <imbrandon> if you do it by hand check the script Riddell uses on kubuntu.org
[01:43] <imbrandon> it will help somewhat, its what i used before falcon
[01:43] <joejaxx> Riddell?
[01:43] <imbrandon> head kubuntu honcho
[01:43] <joejaxx> who is riddell?
[01:43] <joejaxx> oh
[01:43] <joejaxx> :)
[01:45] <imbrandon> here is an example he uses for the koffice repo on kubuntu.org that he does by hand, obviously you'll need to edit the paths but it works on DH as i used to use a modified one on DH before i got falcon
[01:45] <imbrandon> http://www.kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-16/ARCHIVE
[01:45] <joejaxx> right now all i do is two commandlines
[01:46] <joejaxx> and the repo is updated
[01:47] <joejaxx> yeah the other thing is i do not use a pool
[01:47] <joejaxx> lol
[01:47] <imbrandon> wow, that will be hard to maintain later
[01:48] <joejaxx> imbrandon: well
[01:48] <joejaxx> wait how so?
[01:48] <joejaxx> if everything is automated?
[01:49] <imbrandon> well moreso i dunno how a repo would work without a pool and putting the old packages in thre morgue
[01:49] <imbrandon> never tried making a repo without a pool
[01:49] <joejaxx> imbrandon: oh ok
[01:50] <joejaxx> well everything goes in binary-arch and source
[01:50] <imbrandon> just seems like it would be harder
[01:50] <joejaxx> oh ok
[01:50] <imbrandon> but hey if it works for you , more power :)
[01:50] <imbrandon> linux is about choices and thats your show, just adding my 0.2c
[01:50] <imbrandon> :)
[01:51] <joejaxx> well atleast i just have the fluxbuntu metapackages in there until feisty
[01:52] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: !!
[01:53] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon!!!
[01:54] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee
[01:54] <Hobbsee> hey LaserJock
[01:55] <TheMuso> So are we still waiting for feisty?
[01:55] <Hobbsee> yes
[01:55] <imbrandon> mostly :)
[01:56] <imbrandon> mom is running ( but will likely have to be re-testbuilt again after the new toolchain hits )
[01:56] <imbrandon> before any are uploaded
[01:57] <ajmitch> hello Hobbsee
[01:57] <Hobbsee> hi ajmitch
[01:57] <imbrandon> omg kmail has crashed on me the last time /me sudo apt-get install mozilla-thunderbird
[01:58] <imbrandon> i have tried to for a long time, but every since 3.5.3 its segfaulted and i've submited bug report after report upstream ans it keeps getting marked "fixed" but it never is
[01:59] <joejaxx> is there a way to find out the maintainer of a pakcage through apt?
[01:59] <imbrandon> it runs long enough for me to read about 3 ro 4 emails then boom
[01:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: heh.  yes, it's crap
[01:59] <joejaxx> i need to email the pbuilder maintainer and personally thank her/him
[01:59] <joejaxx> lol
[02:00] <imbrandon> joejaxx: in ubuntu it would be all of core-dev ( as its in main ) we dont really have maintainers "per se"
[02:00] <imbrandon> :)
[02:00] <joejaxx> oh ok
[02:00] <joejaxx> well i thank all of you core-dev for this package
[02:00] <imbrandon> and universe is the MOTU's :)
[02:00] <joejaxx> and the MOTU's
[02:00] <joejaxx> hmm
[02:01] <joejaxx> apparently ubuntu does not build the ubuntu-boot packages?
[02:01] <imbrandon> but it originates in from debian and if you wanna find the debian maintainer iirc you can apt-cache show <package> for some info
[02:01] <joejaxx> so now i am going to have to make a fluxbuntu-boot package
[02:01] <joejaxx> imbrandon: :D
[02:02] <imbrandon> looks like a team,
[02:02] <imbrandon> Maintainer: Debian pbuilder maintenance team<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:02] <LaserJock> why do you need a fluxbuntu-boot package?
[02:02] <imbrandon> :)
[02:02] <joejaxx> LaserJock: i am building livecds
[02:02] <LaserJock> still
[02:02] <imbrandon> joejaxx: just depend on ubuntu-live(fs?) i woudl think
[02:03] <LaserJock> I think you'll need your own ubuntu-live
[02:03] <joejaxx> The default kernels and bootloaders are not to be installed by debootstrap,
[02:03] <joejaxx> and *-minimal metapackages should not depend on them; however, they do need
[02:03] <joejaxx> to end up on CD images and in live filesystems. We therefore put them in a
[02:03] <joejaxx> separate seed.
[02:03] <LaserJock> but you should only need -desktop -live -artwork (or -default-settings)
[02:03] <joejaxx> LaserJock: i have a live
[02:04] <joejaxx> live: minimal standard desktop
[02:04] <joejaxx> live does not include boot :\
[02:04] <LaserJock> fine
[02:04] <LaserJock> but there is no ubuntu-boot that I know of
[02:04] <joejaxx> LaserJock: btw that was a quote fom the seeds
[02:04] <TheMuso> Searching the apt databases shows none here.
[02:04] <joejaxx> not my own wording
[02:05] <joejaxx> it must include them at livecd build time
[02:05] <joejaxx> ship-live: boot minimal standard desktop live
[02:05] <LaserJock> ah, so there is a boot seed, that makes sense
[02:05] <LaserJock> there isn't an ubuntu-boot package though
[02:05] <LaserJock> joejaxx: how are you planning on making the .iso?
[02:06] <joejaxx> LaserJock: from scratch
[02:06] <LaserJock> ah
[02:06] <joejaxx> i am doing manually now
[02:06] <LaserJock> that's going to be tough
[02:06] <joejaxx> but i am going to make a script for it
[02:06] <ajmitch> that's mildly insane
[02:06] <imbrandon> rock on joejaxx , i've been waiting for someone to take that task on
[02:07] <LaserJock> I would think it would be much easier to use and existing .iso
[02:07] <imbrandon> good luck
[02:07] <ajmitch> imbrandon: why?
[02:07] <ajmitch> what's so wrong with debian-cd ?
[02:07] <joejaxx> LaserJock: you are right about that
[02:07] <imbrandon> ajmitch: just to see if it could be done from the "outside"
[02:07] <ajmitch> well, apart from it not being for live cds
[02:07] <joejaxx> LaserJock: that is what i have been doing but customized livecds are not clean
[02:07] <LaserJock> joejaxx: have you talked to Kamion or one of the other release people?
[02:07] <imbrandon> ajmitch: debian-cd ? is that to make d-i cd's ?
[02:07] <LaserJock> not clean?
[02:07] <joejaxx> which is why i decided to build them from scratch
[02:08] <joejaxx> LaserJock: leftovers
[02:08] <joejaxx> LaserJock: when you customize a livecd there are alot of leftovers
[02:08] <ajmitch> imbrandon: yeah, sorry, I thought joejaxx was making one
[02:08] <TheMuso> And I believe they also use mksquashfs flags to better optimize the livefs.
[02:08] <LaserJock> joejaxx: like what?
[02:08] <LaserJock> I'm just curious
[02:08] <imbrandon> ajmitch: yea he is doing a live cd, but i wouldent mind looking at making a d-i cd, that seems cool too
[02:09] <LaserJock> as Ichthux uses a kubuntu .iso to start with
[02:09] <joejaxx> empty directories, random packages, configs, stuff i should not be on there
[02:09] <joejaxx> i know*
[02:09] <imbrandon> LaserJock: but ich is based on kde, imagine removing kubuntu-desktop and everything associated
[02:09] <joejaxx> especially trying to take a ubuntu(gnome) live cd
[02:09] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't think I've seen any of those
[02:09] <LaserJock> imbrandon: true
[02:09] <joejaxx> and trying to get rid of gnome everything and putting on fluxbox
[02:09] <LaserJock> Ichthux builds on top of
[02:10] <LaserJock> Kubuntu
[02:10] <LaserJock> not replacing it
[02:10] <joejaxx> yeah
[02:10] <LaserJock> ok, but have you talked with Kamion?
[02:10] <joejaxx> LaserJock: yes
[02:10] <imbrandon> yea he is replacing it with fluxbox and lightweight apps so in both cases it seems like the right choice, ich with custom kubuntu and flux form scratch imho
[02:10] <LaserJock> did you get scripts from him?
[02:10] <joejaxx> no
[02:11] <joejaxx> i do not think i am allowed to anyway
[02:11] <joejaxx> lol
[02:11] <LaserJock> not allowed? if he gives them to you then it's allowed ;-)
[02:11] <imbrandon> joejaxx: he would probably give you the scripts that make the cd's from the seeds
[02:11] <imbrandon> if you asked right/nice
[02:11] <joejaxx> imbrandon: seeds.fluxbuntu.net
[02:11] <joejaxx> :)
[02:12] <joejaxx> seeds are pulled from there
[02:12] <LaserJock> from what I understand it's still a lot of work as Ubuntu uses LP so much
[02:12] <joejaxx> meta packages built
[02:12] <LaserJock> joejaxx: no, but the scripts that they use to build the .isos
[02:12] <joejaxx> livecds created
[02:12] <joejaxx> 1,2,3
[02:12] <joejaxx> LaserJock: yeah i do not have neither
[02:12] <joejaxx> i have to do it from scratch lol
[02:13] <joejaxx> plus
[02:13] <joejaxx> those scripts are probably done local
[02:13] <LaserJock> well, I'm not sure how much use they would be to you but it would probably be better then from scratch
[02:13] <joejaxx> as i am doing them remote
[02:13] <LaserJock> I have no idea about that
[02:14] <ajmitch> joejaxx: it's easier just to ask & find out
[02:14] <joejaxx> i have already
[02:14] <joejaxx> ship-live: boot minimal standard desktop live
[02:14] <joejaxx> i mean
[02:14] <joejaxx> Setting up fluxbuntu-live (0.1) ...
[02:14] <_MMA_> Laserjock: With Ichthux do you guys only do a Desktop-Live cd?
[02:15] <LaserJock> _MMA_: yep
[02:15] <LaserJock> that's what a Desktop cd is
[02:15] <LaserJock> I'll be looking into also creating an Alternate CD too at some point
[02:16] <joejaxx> alternate cds are going to be fun to build
[02:16] <joejaxx> lol
[02:16] <_MMA_> Thats one of the things we have been discussing with Ubuntu Studio. I dont know which way we should go.

[02:16] <joejaxx> i have to include the pool of debian packages that are going to be installed
[02:16] <joejaxx> :\ lol
[02:16] <imbrandon> _MMA_: if its based on gnome/kde i would go the editing livecd way
[02:16] <TheMuso> Alternate CDs will actually be easier to build, as just about everything you need is in the archive, or in bzr repositories.
[02:17] <joejaxx> TheMuso: yeah
[02:17] <TheMuso> afaik anyway
[02:17] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso , later TheMuso
[02:17] <joejaxx> TheMuso: put for me the pools are different
[02:17] <_MMA_> TheMuso: We just need to figure out the process. UDS/MV will be a good place for info.
[02:17] <TheMuso> imbrandon: hehe
[02:17] <TheMuso> Right.
[02:18] <LaserJock> _MMA_: yeah, I think probably doing a Desktop .iso starting from Ubuntu would be the best to start with
[02:18] <_MMA_> imbrandon:Thing is, we arent sure how we are going to present the users with a choice of packages.
[02:18] <LaserJock> it you don't care about things like boot artwork
[02:18] <LaserJock> it's pretty trivial actually
[02:18] <imbrandon> _MMA_: yea if there is time, MV is pretty jam packed :) ( but you might coax kamoin afterhours heheh )
[02:18] <_MMA_> I can edit the boot art.
[02:19] <joejaxx> imbrandon: time to try and build the iso
[02:19] <joejaxx> lol
[02:19] <LaserJock> well, getting the boot artwork ot actually work ;-)
[02:19] <joejaxx> LaserJock: :P
[02:19] <_MMA_> imbrandon: I really cant wait for it. :)
[02:20] <_MMA_> I hope to learn alot.
[02:20] <ajmitch> it'll be interesting, sure
[02:21] <LaserJock> well, I don't know if it would help, but the Ichthux Desktop .iso creation notes are at http://wiki.ichthux.com/Development/CD
[02:21] <_MMA_> LaserJock: You've tried Reconstructor right?
[02:21] <LaserJock> nope
[02:21] <_MMA_> It creates edits Desktop CDs.
[02:21] <imbrandon> _MMA_: i have, its mostly geared to lang pack installs
[02:21] <LaserJock> _MMA_: I know what it is
[02:21] <imbrandon> not the other stuff
[02:21] <LaserJock> but I don't use a gui for it and we change other things
[02:22] <_MMA_> imbrandon are you sure? :) http://reconstructor.aperantis.com/
[02:22] <_MMA_> I used it to create test Ubuntu Studio disks. But only for out audio apps.
[02:23] <_MMA_> We need to find a way to give users a coice of what to install. Audio/Video/Graphic apps.
[02:23] <_MMA_> At some point in the process.
[02:24] <_MMA_> *But only for our audio apps.
[02:24] <joejaxx> what is that grub update command once again?
[02:24] <LaserJock> well, tasksel would probably help in the future
[02:24] <imbrandon> sudo update-grub
[02:25] <LaserJock> _MMA_: you could include a little app that asks the user on after install perhaps
[02:25] <_MMA_> LaserJock: Yea. I still have to read up more on it.
[02:25] <imbrandon> _MMA_: looks like its come a ways since i last looked
[02:25] <joejaxx> hmm
[02:25] <joejaxx> how can i find out the current pbuilder session?
[02:25] <_MMA_> We thought about that. C.Berg poo-pooed all over that idea. :)
[02:25] <imbrandon> still dosent look like you can update things like the kernel and such
[02:26] <LaserJock> _MMA_: well, it depends on how you do it
[02:26] <imbrandon> _MMA_: does it work with the edgy livecd's ?
[02:26] <_MMA_> imbrandon: Id play with it a bit. Its dev is a REALLY nice guy also. :)
[02:27] <_MMA_> Yes. It works with Edgy.
[02:27] <_MMA_> I used the Beta for our tests.
[02:27] <imbrandon> ahh but no KDE
[02:27] <imbrandon> only gnome :(
[02:27] <_MMA_> No. :)
[02:27] <imbrandon> http://reconstructor.aperantis.com/index.php?option=com_joomlaboard&Itemid=44&func=view&id=1&catid=2
[02:27] <imbrandon> yes ^^
[02:27] <_MMA_> Thats why he has this Moduals" thing. :)
[02:27] <joejaxx> yippeee fun
[02:27] <joejaxx> time to build the cds
[02:28] <_MMA_> "Modules"
[02:28] <_MMA_> Ive been talkin to him about it. Well, yes. Officially now thats what it says.
[02:28] <_MMA_> Ive used it on Xubuntu disks also.
[02:29] <_MMA_> He pland to make it U/K/X independant through the use of "modules". Just little scripts.
[02:29] <_MMA_> *plans
[02:30] <LaserJock> I might try it out for a custom Desktop CD I want to make for my department
[02:30] <imbrandon> LaserJock: yea i was thinking the same thing, for inhouse here
[02:30] <imbrandon> if i can work with KDE
[02:31] <_MMA_> LaserJock: Its what I use. I have 5 desktops. All with custom cds.
[02:31] <LaserJock> I think it might convince my Department Chair might be convinced to use Ubuntu in the computer lab if it has the school artwork and chemistry packages by default ;-)
[02:31] <LaserJock> bah, I need to proofread my sentences
[02:31] <_MMA_> Codecs, samba, art, whatever.
[02:32] <_MMA_> You can switch kernels also through chroot with it.
[02:32] <imbrandon> ah cool
[02:32] <imbrandon> might be ok then
[02:32] <imbrandon> :)
[02:32] <_MMA_> I dont think so. I told him to lurk in here. He has.
[02:33] <imbrandon> who is "he" heh
[02:33] <_MMA_> Hell.  It kinda helped me learn how disks work. Even though its not the "proper" way I guess.
[02:35] <imbrandon> LaserJock: i really hate the lappy keyboards
[02:35] <imbrandon> but trying to make myself use it
[02:35] <imbrandon> so i can be productive next week with it
[02:36] <LaserJock> _MMA_: well, since the "proper" way involved closed source LP software, I suppose we just do what we can
[02:38] <_MMA_> LaserJock: I know. I just worry about it. I want to do things as I should and not get bitched at for hacking things together.
[02:40] <LaserJock> well, I think people mostly have issues with hacked together 3rd party software
[02:40] <LaserJock> i.e. we would complain more if you were using checkinstall to build your .debs
[02:40] <_MMA_> 3rd party?
[02:40] <LaserJock> how you put your packages together into an .iso is a bit less of a concern, IMO
[02:40] <joejaxx> is there a ubuntu man pages anywhere?
[02:40] <_MMA_> By using reconstructor?
[02:41] <joejaxx> ma pages site*
[02:41] <joejaxx> man*
[02:41] <LaserJock> _MMA_: I mean, putting in 3rd party software (maybe even not .debs) in your .iso
[02:42] <LaserJock> that would be a much bigger concern then how exactly you build the .iso
[02:42] <_MMA_> Ah.. Even for myself. I stuck to the repos. :)
[02:44] <imbrandon> there is only two things in this world i dont stick to the repos on and those i install from source
[02:44] <_MMA_> Whats that sir?
[02:44] <imbrandon> libdvdcss2 and w32codecs ( from mplayerhq )
[02:45] <_MMA_> Ahh..
[02:45] <_MMA_> I just use your packages now. :)
[02:46] <imbrandon> heh those are actualy Seveas's packages i just host them for him ( http://seveas.imbrandon.com is Seveas's and http://www.imbrandon.com/packages is mine )
[02:46] <_MMA_> Ok. I got it.
[02:48] <joejaxx> LaserJock: guess what?
[02:48] <joejaxx> i am up to the livecd part
[02:48] <joejaxx> i need to use casper now
[02:54] <joejaxx> :)
[02:54] <_MMA_> Good news joe?
[02:55] <joejaxx> well i am trying to build the livecd part of the iso
[02:55] <joejaxx> if i cannot understand casper i might have to find another way lol
[02:57] <_MMA_> imbrandon: When I messed with Xubuntu and Reconstructor I used the chroot to change things that were Xubuntu specific.
[02:58] <LaserJock> Kubuntu might be a bit tricky too
[02:58] <imbrandon> _MMA_: yea i'll get more indepth with it later , just poking at it for now as i'm headed to sleep soonish
[02:58] <LaserJock> as some stuff is a bit more hardcoded
[02:58] <imbrandon> yea
[02:58] <imbrandon> lots
[02:59] <imbrandon> but i'm not afraid of makin some replacement packages for things i need :)
[02:59] <imbrandon> specialy if its for in-house
[02:59] <_MMA_> If any of you guys like the app and want to suggest things its dev is really open and easy to talk to.
[02:59] <imbrandon> make a easy to use kubuntu version that uses pyqt so i dont have to load gtk :(
[02:59] <imbrandon> heh
[03:00] <imbrandon> gtk+glade actualy
[03:00] <imbrandon> i can give him *.ui files and there are *.glade to *.ui files out there :)
[03:00] <joejaxx> everyone having fun?
[03:00] <ajmitch> no
[03:01] <joejaxx> i am
[03:01] <LaserJock> ajmitch: no fun?

[03:01] <joejaxx> *
[03:01] <joejaxx> ajmitch: do you know anything about debian livecds?
[03:01] <imbrandon> ahh it dont work with the edgy usplash yet ?
[03:02] <joejaxx> ajmitch: i know i can ust bootcd
[03:02] <_MMA_> imbrandon: Crap. Yea. I forgot to mention that.
[03:04] <_MMA_> I think thats one of the things he plans to make a module out of.
[03:05] <imbrandon> how does it handle making iso's larger than 700mb , it dont complain hopefully ( i like to make 800mb iso's and dvd iso's )
[03:05] <Laser_away> my inlaws are taking us out to dinner
[03:05] <Laser_away> I'll bbl
[03:05] <joejaxx> fun
[03:05] <imbrandon> l8tr Laser_away
[03:05] <joejaxx> building the livecd
[03:06] <joejaxx> but just for kicks and soccerballs i am not using casper
[03:08] <_MMA_> imbrandon: It works fine with big isos.
[03:09] <_MMA_> I use DVDs also.
[03:09] <imbrandon> :)
[03:09] <ajmitch> joejaxx: I'm working, I'm not having fun
[03:09] <_MMA_> Though, if you dont need OO.o you can save alot of space. :)
[03:09] <imbrandon> just makin sure , ok, i'm headed to sleep for a few hours hopefully , bbiab
[03:09] <_MMA_> night sir.
[03:09] <joejaxx> ajmitch: :\
[03:09] <imbrandon> _MMA_: yea i replace OO.o with koffice
[03:09] <_MMA_> Ahh...
[03:09] <imbrandon> and remove the winfoss
[03:10] <imbrandon> etc, i ahve done all this before by hand, just looking at the "pretty way"
[03:10] <imbrandon> :)
[03:11] <_MMA_> Yea.  ;) You better not keep me up all night.
[03:39] <joejaxx> LOL
[03:39] <joejaxx> haha
[03:39] <zul> heh its not like your are going to get any sleep anyways
[03:40] <joejaxx> yeah
[03:40] <joejaxx> lol
[03:40] <_MMA_> Im so gonna take you to a stripclub. ;)
[03:40] <joejaxx> lol
[03:41] <zul> you are going to be so tired you will not want to go to a stripclub
[03:41] <joejaxx> uds' are tiring?
[03:41] <zul> they are going to work you into the ground :)
[03:41] <joejaxx> nice lol
[03:41] <joejaxx> that should be an interesting event
[03:41] <imbrandon> yes that is the point of UDS , its a hands on for the next release, not a party :)
[03:42] <joejaxx> imbrandon: i know ;)
[03:42] <joejaxx> hey
[03:42] <zul> imbrandon: of course after the day is finished
[03:42] <joejaxx> why are openoffice-packages being installed >:(
[03:42] <ajmitch> at UDU, it was ~12 hours a day, from 9AM till 9PM
[03:42] <joejaxx> udu?
[03:42] <ajmitch> ubuntu down under
[03:42] <imbrandon> zul: shhhhhh keep em scared
[03:43] <zul> doh..
[03:43] <zul> ajmitch: less people were at UDS wasnt there?
[03:43] <ajmitch> I remember seeing people sleeping on the floor during breaks at UBZ
[03:43] <imbrandon> yea long tecnical days with lots of hands on though
[03:43] <joejaxx> so wait
[03:43] <ajmitch> there were quite a few people
[03:43] <joejaxx> every summit has a different name?
[03:43] <_MMA_> Thats cool ajmitch. The clubs will still be open.
[03:44] <joejaxx> _MMA_: lol
[03:44] <zul> heh there isnt alot of clubs in sj
[03:44] <_MMA_> There are 3 that look goot.  But there we gotta be carful we dont wind up in the wrong one. :)
[03:47] <joejaxx> imbrandon: lol
[03:47] <_MMA_> imbrandon: I dont drink but I have a good time.  You need a faster machine. :)
[03:55] <joejaxx> _MMA_: well it is compressing the filesystem Lol
[03:55] <joejaxx> entire*
[03:56] <_MMA_> how long so far?
[03:56] <joejaxx> 3 minutes
[03:56] <_MMA_> oh.
[03:56] <joejaxx> Pentium M 1.4GHz with 1.25GBS of ram
[03:56] <joejaxx> on a*
[03:56] <joejaxx> 120mb mark
[03:57] <joejaxx> 180mb mark
[04:01] <joejaxx> woohoo
[04:01] <joejaxx> 275MB
[05:20] <Chandu> hi
[05:20] <Chandu> good morning
[05:20] <Chandu> hey , I found in README of motu-tools that ...Ping elmo to sync the package .... What is this elmo ...
[05:21] <crimsun> that's outdated; ignore that.
[05:21] <crimsun> the sync procedure is outlined on the wiki.
[05:21] <Chandu> crimsun, can you give me the link
[05:21] <nixternal> heh, that took me a sec to figure that one out..im like elmo??  then i remembered, ohhh elmo
[05:22] <nixternal> LaserJockeeeeee
[05:22] <LaserJock> Chandu: were did you get motu-tools?
[05:22] <LaserJock> nixternal: hola senor
[05:22] <joejaxx> LaserJock: really quick do you know how to hibernate from commandline?
[05:23] <LaserJock> joejaxx: no I don't
[05:23] <LaserJock> I've only used the KDE and Gnome tools
[05:23] <joejaxx> hmm i need to figure that out hibernation from commandline
[05:23] <joejaxx> that is
[05:23] <joejaxx> alright then LaserJock thanks anyway :)
[05:23] <crimsun> Chandu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[05:24] <crimsun> odd, Banshee is crashing on submitting to last.fm
[05:24] <joejaxx> LaserJock: btw the disc built it just stopped at configuring some drivers because i did not add some stuff
[05:24] <joejaxx> when i booted it up that is
[05:24] <joejaxx> well i am going to shutdown my laptop Goodnight #ubuntu-motu
[05:24] <LaserJock> hmm
[05:24] <LaserJock> cya joejaxx
[05:39] <Fujitsu> 'obbsee!
[05:42] <LaserJock> hmmm, somebody should go through UniverseCandidates and get rid of the ones that made it in or are completely ridiculous
[05:42] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: I shall take a look at it.
[05:42] <Hobbsee> hey Fujitsu
[05:42] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: heh
[05:42] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Any news on SRUs yet?
[05:43] <LaserJock> well, ajmitch was going to write some stuff
[05:43] <LaserJock> *cough*
[05:43] <Chandu> LaserJock, I got motu-tools from this link , http://tiber.tauware.de/~shermann/motu-tools/
[05:43] <Fujitsu> This is getting a bit stupid, though. I isolated the patch about a month ago.
[05:44] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: well, didn't we decide to just have a motu-uvf person ok it?
[05:44] <Chandu> Hey, How to get the list of packages for the merge ..How MOM is working
[05:44] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: dholbach said he'd do it after release, but I haven't seen him much.
[05:44] <Chandu> I found one script in MON..grab-merge.sh ..... But I dont know how to work with that
[05:44] <LaserJock> merges.ubuntu.com is the website for it
[05:45] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I doubt it ;-(
[05:45] <LaserJock> good thought though
[05:45] <LaserJock> I think the canonical guys are on vacation
[05:45] <Chandu> LaserJock, Ya , I got the link ...I founf grab-merge.sh script over there ..but How to work with that ...
[05:45] <LaserJock> so once dholbach is back we can bug him
[05:45] <crimsun> Chandu: read http://merges.ubuntu.com please.
[05:46] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yeah, I'm a failure again...
[05:46] <LaserJock> don't worry ajmitch , I am too
[05:46] <Fujitsu> That Redhat authconfig thing ended up being packaged, didn't it?
[05:46] <ajmitch> no
[05:47] <Chandu> crimsun, I gone through .. But Iam not able to understand
[05:47] <Chandu> crimsun, it has thsi , Merges are generated by combining both the Ubuntu and Debian changes since their first common ancestor
[05:48] <Hobbsee> Chandu: that's not the script that does the actual comparison
[05:48] <Hobbsee> s
[05:48] <Chandu> crimsun, is this pool generated manually
[05:48] <Chandu> Hobbsee, then who will do that comparision ..is it done manually ..package by package
[05:48] <LaserJock> Chandu: MoM tries to do it automatically
[05:49] <crimsun> Chandu: it's generated by an automated tool we affectionately call MoM
[05:49] <LaserJock> but in the end every one needs to be at least checked
[05:49] <Hobbsee> Chandu: it's not.  the script used to compare isnt on that page
[05:49] <Chandu> LaserJock, then where can I get MOM tool to do that
[05:49] <Chandu> Hobbsee, Where can I get that script for comparision
[05:50] <LaserJock> from Keybuck
[05:50] <crimsun> (-c)
[05:50] <LaserJock> but you don't need it to do the work
[05:50] <LaserJock> darn, I always do that
[05:50] <LaserJock> Key+buck != Keybuk
[05:50] <Chandu> Hey , If I have to do it for the first time ..means I dont have my own pool for my project .. I have to careate it form debian with some gnome related and few other packages modified
[05:51] <LaserJock> Chandu: what are you doing? what is this project?
[05:51] <crimsun> why don't you just piggyback off the Ubuntu repo directly?
[05:51] <ajmitch> Chandu: then you'll have lots of fun & lots of work
[05:52] <Chandu> LaserJock, I am working on building a distro based on Debian .. I need to have a repo same as Ubuntu .. But this our first release .. We ahve modified some gnome packages and few others
[05:52] <LaserJock> Chandu: ah, so it's like Ubuntu, but not?
[05:52] <Chandu> LaserJock, ya ,exactly
[05:53] <crimsun> if you need a repo "same as Ubuntu," why not just use the Ubuntu repo as a base?
[05:53] <Chandu> LaserJock, I hope MOM will be used to compare UBUNTU and Debian repo .. But in my case we dont have our repo yet
[05:53] <Chandu> LaserJock, We have a small repo of nearly 1000+ packages which have put into our single cd distro with some modified gnome packaes
[05:55] <Chandu> crimsun, I cannot do that on my own when I am working under some organisation .. I have to according to them
[05:56] <LaserJock> hmm, well I can't find the MoM source on people.ubuntu.com
[05:56] <crimsun> will your organisation not listen to reason, then?
[05:56] <LaserJock> I thought it *was* there
[05:56] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: It's not, and hasn't been since before Edgy's MoM.
[05:57] <LaserJock> is it on LP?
[05:57] <Fujitsu> I don't believe so.
[05:57] <LaserJock> I thought it was available somewhere
[05:57] <Fujitsu> Used to be under ~scott on p.u.c, I believe.
[05:57] <Fujitsu> Not any more, though.
[05:57] <LaserJock> Chandu: anyway, you can ask Keybuk for the MoM script I suppose
[05:57] <LaserJock> or write you're own
[05:58] <ajmitch> writing your own wouldn't be too hard
[05:58] <Fujitsu> Or derive from Ubuntu, which is probably a better option.
[05:59] <Fujitsu> Chandu: How many modified packages do you have?
[05:59] <Chandu> Fujitsu, May be around 30+
[05:59] <minghua> I assume to derive from ubuntu, translation is going to be quite a problem
[05:59] <Chandu> Fujitsu, and my base is dcc
[05:59] <Fujitsu> dcc?
[06:00] <ajmitch> 30 packages isn't many
[06:00] <Chandu> LaserJock, How can I contach Keybuk
[06:00] <Chandu> LaserJock, contact Keybuck
[06:00] <Hobbsee> h'es on irc
[06:00] <Chandu> Hobbsee, which channel
[06:00] <LaserJock> well, he's not up right now
[06:00] <LaserJock> https://launchpad.net/people/keybuk
[06:01] <LaserJock> ^^ has contact info
[06:01] <Chandu> LaserJock, ok thank you
[06:01] <Chandu> LaserJock, hey , If I know what exactly that MOM tool will do .,.. then I can write on my own
[06:01] <Burgundavia> Chandu: dcc is essentially dead
[06:01] <minghua> Fujitsu: maybe DCC is http://www.dccalliance.org/
[06:02] <Chandu> Burgundavia, Oh... No new developments are happening
[06:02] <minghua> which is quite likely dead as Burgundavia said
[06:02] <Chandu> minghua, ya the same
[06:02] <Burgundavia> Chandu: dcc was a stillborn idea. Base off of pure Debian or Ubuntu
[06:04] <Chandu> Burgundavia, But our idea was to go for LSB certified ,,so we started with dcc
[06:04] <Burgundavia> right
[06:04] <Burgundavia> both debian and ubuntu will give you that
[06:05] <Chandu> Burgundavia, I dont think sarge is lsb compliant .. but from etch debian is providing
[06:05] <Burgundavia> yep
[06:05] <minghua> I doubt you get lsb compliant effortlessly just by deriving from DCC
[06:05] <Burgundavia> especially if you change any packages
[06:08] <ajmitch> hi Burgundavia
[06:08] <Burgundavia> hey ajmitch
[06:08] <Burgundavia> I could kiss seb128
[06:08] <Burgundavia> his "upstream delta" stuff
[06:08] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: yes
[06:08] <ajmitch> something for the MOTUs to do as well
[06:08] <Burgundavia> exactly my thoughts over the last few days
[06:09] <ajmitch> every package merged, the MOTU must check upstream & debian
[06:09] <Burgundavia> s/days/weeks & months/
[06:09] <Chandu> minghua, Ya .. We have generated the journals for lsb3.0 and lsb3.1 ..and have unofficially submitted to freedesktop.org..Which has been satisfied
[06:09] <LaserJock> MOTU Science is just organizing a "reduce the delta" project
[06:09] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: how does directory's delta look?
[06:09] <LaserJock> I tried to work on it a little during Edgy but I had so many other things to do it slipped past me
[06:09] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: no idea
[06:10] <Burgundavia> there must be an easy way to generate that information
[06:10] <ajmitch> sure
[06:11] <ajmitch> it's not hard
[06:11] <ajmitch> but classifying the changes that we may carry is harder
[06:11] <Burgundavia> I was thinking across the entire distro
[06:11] <ajmitch> like MoM does?
[06:11] <Burgundavia> basically
[06:11] <Burgundavia> we need a -qa page, like debian has
[06:11] <Chandu> hey , where do I get germinate tool for download
[06:12] <Hobbsee> you write one?
[06:12] <minghua> I believe germinate is packaged
[06:12] <Hobbsee> ah
[06:12] <LaserJock> Chandu: apt-get install germinate
[06:13] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: we have http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/all-packages.html
[06:13] <minghua> Burgundavia: you mean pages like the packages.qa.d.o ones?
[06:13] <LaserJock> but it doesn't describe the kinds of divergence
[06:13] <Burgundavia> minghua: yep
[06:13] <Burgundavia> something that would merge all these various pages
[06:13] <minghua> Burgundavia: yeah, those would be wonderful
[06:13] <Chandu> LaserJock, ok
[06:16] <LaserJock> yeah, package information is a particularly bad maze
[06:16] <Burgundavia> there is no clear heirarchy
[06:16] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia: There is, sort of.
[06:17] <Fujitsu> But it's a very convoluted hierarchy.
[06:18] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: spec it
[06:18] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: right, add that to my todo
[06:18] <LaserJock> heh
[06:18] <LaserJock> that reminds me
[06:18] <LaserJock> LP needs to grow a dotproject-like interface
[06:18] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: A civilian writing an LP spec?
[06:19] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: dotproject?
[06:19] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: excuse me?
[06:19] <Burgundavia> Fujitsu: proper project management interface
[06:19] <LaserJock> yeah, what Corey said ;-)
[06:19] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Isn't spec stuff for LP meant to be on their super-private wiki thingy?
[06:19] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia: Aha.
[06:20] <Burgundavia> no, launchpads wiki si open
[06:20] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: so?
[06:20] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/
[06:21] <Fujitsu> Burgundavia: That's the documentation wiki. The proper development (ie. spec) wiki is private.
[06:21] <Burgundavia> right
[06:21] <Burgundavia> but that lists most of the specs
[06:29] <Chandu> LaserJock, Do you know How to generate diffrerent seeds list
[06:30] <ajmitch> you write them
[06:30] <ajmitch> seeds are maintained manually
[06:30] <LaserJock> Chandu: the seeds themselves? you just edit a plain text file with the package names
[06:30] <Chandu> LaserJock, I didnt get
[06:31] <LaserJock> well a seed is just a file with a list of packages
[06:31] <Chandu> LaserJock, oh! I can create a seed list for desktopjust by listing the packages related to desktop in a text file ..right
[06:32] <Chandu> LaserJock, Is there any syntax for that ..or just list packages
[06:33] <Chandu> LaserJock, I found something different as this link .. http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/dapper/boot
[06:34] <LaserJock> yeah, that's an old seed
[06:34] <LaserJock> you can get the current ones from Launchpad
[06:35] <Chandu> LaserJock, Oh .. Give me the link dear
[06:35] <LaserJock> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-core-dev/+branch/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.edgy
[06:36] <Chandu> LaserJock, Is this launchpad si specifically for ubuntu
[06:36] <LaserJock> no
[06:36] <LaserJock> Ubuntu derivatives and other projects also use it
[06:37] <Chandu> LaserJock, How do I make use of that
[06:38] <LaserJock> Chandu: well, it depends on what you want to do exactly
[06:38] <LaserJock> you can register an upstream product or a maybe even a distro
[06:38] <LaserJock> you can use Rosetta for translations
[06:38] <LaserJock> Malone for bug tracking
[06:38] <LaserJock> Blueprint for specification tracking
[06:39] <Chandu> LaserJock, Is it to be paid ..or its allowed for free
[06:39] <LaserJock> use is free
[06:39] <Chandu> LaserJock, ok
[06:40] <LaserJock> it's what virtually all Ubuntu development is done on
[06:41] <Chandu> LaserJock, ok
[06:50] <Chandu> LaserJock, hey .. I didnt any text file of seeds in launch pad ..Do I need to check out from bzr
[06:50] <Chandu> didnt get
[06:51] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:51] <LaserJock> Chandu: just do: bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.edgy
[06:53] <Chandu> LaserJock, ok
[07:04] <LaserJock> good night MOTU land
[07:04] <ajmitch> night LaserJock
[07:39] <naxx> ||.Req.:||  Help on building a debian package |pm me pls ;)||
[07:41] <minghua> why does pm is required?  can't be talked in the channel?
[07:41] <naxx> can be
[07:41] <naxx> i dont mind
[07:42] <naxx> i just prefer not to spam the channel
[07:42] <naxx> and keep it free for others
[07:43] <naxx> ||.Req.:||  Help on building a debian package |contact me pls ;)||
[07:45] <ajmitch> have you looked at the ubuntu packaging guide?
[07:45] <naxx> yes
[07:46] <naxx> and i got some trouble
[07:46] <ajmitch> it may help if you ask a more specific question then
[07:46] <naxx> i can read manuals, and documentations and put it all together
[07:46] <naxx> my problem is i'm trying to build a package for truecrypt
[07:46] <naxx> but that stuff is weird ;)
[07:47] <naxx> coz it requires some kernel modules
[07:47] <naxx> and it tries to build some stuff frome the kernel src
[07:47] <naxx> but the source is in a archive
[07:47] <ajmitch> then you'll probably need the appropriate linux-headers package
[07:47] <naxx> i know
[07:48] <ajmitch> & do a bit of makefile hacking
[07:48] <ajmitch> it's a shame it appears to not be free software
[07:49] <ajmitch> hm, it may be
[07:49] <naxx> problem is, truecrypt needs drivers/md/dm.h, and linux-headers does not include it
[07:49] <ajmitch> it looks like it may allow modification & distribution of modified sources provided you don't use the truecrypt name
[07:49] <naxx> i know
[07:49] <ajmitch> closest match I can see is:
[07:50] <ajmitch> linux-headers-2.6.17-10: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.17-10/include/config/blk/dev/dm.h
[07:50] <naxx> let me check
[07:50] <ajmitch> perhaps that's not a public header
[07:50] <naxx> i fear that ;)
[07:51] <ajmitch> since the source tree does have drivers/md/dm.h
[07:51] <naxx> exactly
[09:09] <dholbach> good morning
[09:16] <nemequ> is there something I can do to help make sure you don't release an ancient version of libraptor in the future? like help maintain the package, maybe?
[09:18] <ajmitch> yes, you could help out, especially by filing bugs about it
[09:18] <ajmitch> it's in main, so release conditions are stricter
[09:18] <nemequ> Bugs like "1.4.9 is ancient, please update"?
[09:19] <ajmitch> you'd have to give some reasons for it
[09:20] <nemequ> I can do that.
[09:20] <nemequ> thanks.
[09:20] <ajmitch> it just wasn't updated once upstream version freeze hit, since automatic syncs were turned off
[09:20] <ajmitch> and noone has filed any bugs about it
[09:22] <nemequ> um, 1.4.10 was released in july. we're on 1.4.13 now. was there a feature freeze in july?
[09:22] <ajmitch> yes
[09:23] <ajmitch> upstream version freeze was july 13th
[09:23] <ajmitch> 1.4.10 wasn't uploaded to debian until august 12th
[09:23] <nemequ> oh bloody hell. 1.4.10 was released on the 14th.
[09:24] <ajmitch> even so, syncs are based on debian packages
[09:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43150 in gcl "[SRU]  maxima frontends fail to connect" [Undecided,In progress]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43150
[09:24] <ajmitch> so dajobe didn't get it packaged for awhile
[09:24] <dholbach> Fujitsu: we need a policy
[09:24] <dholbach> Fujitsu: the situation has not changed :/
[09:25] <dholbach> Fujitsu: and it's not only "my call"
[09:25] <dholbach> nemequ: if you want to stay up to scratch, I'd recommend subscribing to https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-announce and https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/raptor/+subscribe
[09:25] <nemequ> okay well i'll file a bug in launchpad, and i'll talk to dajobe tomorrow--he just went to bed. thanks for your help.
[09:25] <dholbach> nemequ: it is possible to get exceptions granted
[09:25] <dholbach> nemequ: but as long as nobody has an eye on it, it doesn't happen :/
[09:26] <ajmitch> nemequ: it's very unlikely that you'd get a new upstream release into edgy-updates though
[09:26] <ajmitch> exceptions generally happen up to a week or two before release at the very latest
[09:26] <nemequ> that's okay about it not being in updates. as long as this kind of thing doesn't happen again next release.
[09:27] <dholbach> nemequ: if you could help with that, that'd be GREAT :-)
[09:27] <nemequ> and I will, of course.
[09:27] <dholbach> ROCK ON
[09:30] <fraco> I'm repackaging scorched3d with the latest version, and get this complaint at the end of the build: http://www.pastebin.be/3452/
[09:30] <fraco> the path to docs contains two / iso only one
[09:30] <fraco> I just don't know where it could come from
[09:30] <fraco> (packaging newbie)
[09:40] <fraco> no-one?
[09:45] <nemequ> sorry guys, another question... where should I submit the bug? The raptor project on launchpad doesn't seem to be the right place to do it...
[09:48] <fraco> can anyone tell me where i can go for help with packaging?
[09:50] <Plug> Here, at a different time of day ;)
[09:51] <Plug> Your error suggests the directory isn't being created
[09:53] <fraco> US daytime is better then?
[09:54] <Plug> .eu daytime I think
[09:54] <Plug> hang on tho:
[09:54] <Plug> how are you building the package?
[09:54] <Plug> I doubt the two //s matters
[09:54] <fraco> Plug: you're right, the dir isn't being created; I was staring at the //
[09:54] <fraco> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[09:55] <fraco> I suppose the docs have moved
[09:55] <Plug> probably
[09:57] <minghua> fraco: check with "fakeroot debian/rules build" first, and make sure that dir is created during build
[09:58] <fraco> brb
[10:12] <fraco> minghau, Plug: it is being built but at different location
[10:12] <Plug> edit the debian/docs  file
[10:14] <fraco> has separate package for docs, i think it is defined in debian/scorched3d-doc.install
[10:15] <fraco> Plug, minghau: can I test changes to install without having to clean the entire thing?
[10:15] <fraco> fakeroot debian/rules install ?
[10:15] <Plug> "dpkg-buildpackage -nc" will do what you want
[10:15] <Plug> (no clean)
[10:17] <fraco> got past the docs now
[10:19] <fraco> thnx
[10:25] <fraco> I edited the pastebin with a new error i get now http://www.pastebin.be/3452/
[10:25] <fraco> i really don't have a clue - stumped
[10:26] <Plug> isnt that the same error as before?
[10:27] <fraco> i reused the pastebin
[10:27] <fraco> still shows
[10:28] <fraco> ill make a new one i guess
[10:28] <fraco> http://www.pastebin.be/3455/
[10:32] <fraco> i'll try to build it clean, maybe some file hanging around
[10:33] <Plug> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=375749
[10:33] <Plug> could be relevant.
[10:34] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 375749 in dpkg-dev "tar: -: file name read contains nul character" [Important,Closed]
[10:34] <minghua> that's harmless
[10:35] <fraco> ah
[10:36] <fraco> I had lack of patiance then
[10:36] <fraco> i thought the build was hanging on that
[10:36] <fraco> but just a warning
[10:36] <fraco> thnx again
[10:59] <giskard> hello
[11:04] <fraco> how do i get an app to install in the ubuntu games dir instead of in the debian/games/strategy dir?
[11:05] <azeem> fraco: ship a proper .desktop file
[11:05] <fraco> links 2 wiki?
[11:05] <azeem> no idea
[11:30] <xerxas> Hi everyone !
[11:34] <fraco> so now, with the help of Plug and minghua i made a updated package for scorched3d
[11:34] <fraco> should i leave it to the original contributor to update the repos
[11:34] <fraco> (me being a packaging virgin and not part of the MOTU team)
[11:35] <fraco> should i send it to the original contributor (==siretart)?
[11:36] <fraco> should i step in and follow the wiki to upload the package for review and later inclusion?
[11:36] <fraco> I'm willing to work through that if it helps
[11:37] <fraco> but only if it helps
[12:04] <bjp> hi guys, I've merged the original debian-unstable package of flamerobin to an ubuntu package. Should I build the package with debuild -S -sa and dput it, like necessary for other packages?
[12:06] <Fujitsu> bjp: Is the package currently in unstable?
[12:08] <bjp> Fujitsu: yes it is
[12:09] <Fujitsu> bjp: It is new, correct?
[12:09] <bjp> Fujitsu: well it's accepted in unstable about a month ago so it's pretty new yes
[12:10] <Fujitsu> OK, so what do you mean when you say you've merged it?
[12:10] <Fujitsu> There aren't any Ubuntu changes to merge with...
[12:12] <bjp> Fujitsu: I've changed the package maintainer in debian/control and bumped the version in debian/changelog (concatenated it with '~ubuntu.1')
[12:12] <Fujitsu> bjp: Why did you change the maintainer?
[12:12] <bjp> Fujitsu: you're right, I'm sorry. I meant that I've adapted the debian contents for ubuntu
[12:12] <bjp> Fujitsu: the debian maintainer told me too
[12:12] <Fujitsu> No adaptations are required in the vast majority of packages.
[12:13] <bjp> s/too/to/
[12:13] <Fujitsu> Er, why!?
[12:14] <Fujitsu> Did the Debian maintainer give a reason for changing the maintainer field?
[12:14] <bjp> Fujitsu: one moment please, I'll ask..
[12:14] <Fujitsu> OK.
[12:15] <ogra> if its in universe it will get imported automatically anyway
[12:16] <ogra> no need to change anything except it breaks
[12:16] <Fujitsu> ogra: Not automatically, AFAIK.
[12:16] <Fujitsu> Upon our request, yes. There's no need to change anything, unless the Debian maintainer has an incredibly good reason for it.
[12:16] <ogra> if MOM runs for feisty it will get imported automatically
[12:17] <ogra> MOM imortas all packages automatically that have no -XubuntuX in the versioning
[12:17] <ogra> *imports
[12:17] <Fujitsu> I'm pretty sure it doesn't automatically import new ones...
[12:17] <ogra> or that are manually blacklisted because we are uzpstream (i.e. ltsp)
[12:18] <ogra> if it doessnt, thats a bug
[12:18] <ogra> it did before afaik
[12:18] <bjp> ogra: well okay, but AFAIK it isn't imported yet.. how long does it take?
[12:18] <Fujitsu> I would consider it a bug if it DID import new source packages without checking.
[12:18] <Fujitsu> bjp: Once Feisty opens, it could take a few days.
[12:18] <ogra> bjp, it has to wait until the archive opens
[12:18] <Fujitsu> bjp: Has the maintainer given a reason yet?
[12:19] <ogra> and MOM runs indeed
[12:19] <bjp> Fujitsu: nope not yet, he's busy right now and will answer me later..
[12:19] <ogra> its very very odd to have to maintain a delta manually for a maintainer name change
[12:19] <ogra> we usually dont do that
[12:19] <Fujitsu> Add a couple of verys to ogra's statement, and you get my view.
[12:20] <bjp> Fujitsu: :-)
[12:22] <bjp> Fujitsu: well I guess he isn't that aware of the Ubuntu system. Maybe I'm just having the wrong approach to get a flamerobin package included in Ubuntu. What steps should I take to do it, or should I wait for a system that includes it automatically?
[12:23] <Fujitsu> bjp: Source packages are (unless requiring modifications) synced straight from Debian, with no changes at all. That includes most of the archive.
[12:24] <Fujitsu> You should wait until Feisty opens, and wait a few days to see if it appears. If not, file a bug requesting it be synced, and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors to get a developer to approve it.
[12:27] <bjp> Fujitsu: well, shouldn't it have appeared in edgy as the debian package is accepted in unstable over a month ago now?
[12:27] <Fujitsu> bjp: No. Autosyncing was turned off in mid-July.
[12:27] <thom> bjp: no, edgy was frozen some time ago
[12:27] <bjp> Fujitsu: okay I see
[12:28] <bjp> Fujitsu: so it will be synced to Feisty sometime soon as far as you consider this?
[12:28] <Fujitsu> Yes.
[12:30] <bjp> Fujitsu: okay well I'll just wait for that moment then :-) any ideas on the time period before Feisty is opened? And the sync system runs every night I guess?
[12:30] <Fujitsu> StevenK: I've almost finished my 19.
[12:31] <StevenK> Heh. I've glanced at 3 of them, all of them turn into syncs.
[12:42] <Fujitsu> Hey Hobbsee
[12:44] <Hobbsee> hey Fujitsu
[01:06] <fraco> I updated a package (scorched3d) with the latest version
[01:07] <fraco> should I now upload it for review and later inclusion
[01:07] <fraco> or should a packaging virgin and not motu team member leave it be
[01:07] <fraco> or maybe i should contact the original packager for ubuntu?
[01:12] <luisbg_zZzZz> hi all
[01:15] <siretart> fraco: do you happen to have your contribution in a bzr branch?
[01:16] <siretart> fraco: I (at least) try to maintain it in debian, so that both distros profit from that
[01:16] <fraco> i don't even know what a bzr branch is
[01:16] <siretart> fraco: the current problem of scorched3d is that it uses a non-free font, which renders the package undistributable
[01:16] <fraco> I c
[01:16] <fraco> no, i didn't take any of that into account
[01:16] <siretart> I'd be happy to upgrade the package 40.1b, if someone could provide me the replacement font
[01:17] <fraco> how did you do it for the older releases?
[01:17] <siretart> what?
[01:17] <fraco> replace the font
[01:17] <siretart> for older releases, we didn't notice that problem
[01:17] <fraco> ah
[01:17] <siretart> this is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=298932, btw
[01:17] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 298932 in scorched3d-data "scorched3d-data: contains non-free fonts" [Serious,Closed]
[01:18] <fraco> so there will not be an offical universe package until someone fixes that font?
[01:18] <siretart> I should 'import' it into launchpad.net as well, right
[01:18] <siretart> fraco: unless that issue is fixed, I cannot upload a newer package to debian
[01:18] <siretart> fraco: and I really like it to be fixed in debian first. OTOH, we don't want non-free stuff in multiverse as well, so..
[01:19] <fraco> the reason i went and produced a package is that as a user i *just want* scorched3d :-S
[01:19] <siretart> fraco: btw, I talked to Gavin (scorched3d upstream). he agreed to include new fonts if I could provide some
[01:20] <siretart> fraco: I know. however you need to see that the package does have problems. I'm no font artist either
[01:20] <fraco> I c
[01:20] <siretart> and I'd really appreciate an updated scorched3d as well ;) - I love that game
[01:20] <fraco> same here
[01:21] <fraco> actually, as I don't care much (maybe not enough) about the non-freedness of the font, I have my own packages now
[01:21] <fraco> however, I imagine it's frustrating for other players
[01:21] <fraco> I'm not sure if I can help anything in the font department (being a newb in packaging and totally in fonts)
[01:22] <fraco> however, if I do get any results, I'll ping you again ?
[01:22] <siretart> fraco: the bug already mentions a good replacement font I intend to use. we only need an 'outline' font based on that
[01:22] <fraco> so we need a font artist
[01:22] <fraco> !=me
[01:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about me - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:22] <fraco> which im not
[01:22] <siretart> fraco: I've looked into the issue again this weekend with a friend.  it doesn't look to hard to create such a font
[01:22] <fraco> never even tried that
[01:23] <DarkMageZ> siretart, what is the licencing on the font?
[01:23] <fraco> willing to try, but I have serious doubts on how far I would get
[01:23] <siretart> but if you happen to meet someone who can handle fontforge, just ask him to do such an outline font based on the bitstream font
[01:23] <fraco> if I do happen to meet someone like that, I will
[01:23] <siretart> DarkMageZ: the copyright is "all rights preseverd, including modification and redistribution"
[01:23] <fraco> dont put any money on it though...
[01:24] <DarkMageZ> oh, that IS serious
[01:24] <siretart> yepp
[01:25] <fraco> siretart: btw. why is nvidia-glx marked as a conflicts?
[01:26] <siretart> fraco: of scorched3d? it isn't
[01:26] <siretart> only as build-conflicts
[01:26] <fraco> ok as build-conflicts then?
[01:26] <Hobbsee> so that the nvidia package doesnt become a dependancy of it
[01:27] <siretart> to prevent building against the non-free headers. use a changeroot with the mesa headers
[01:27] <Hobbsee> that too
[01:27] <fraco> *ding*
[01:27] <fraco> Ok, out of my depth
[01:27] <fraco> nm
[01:27] <fraco> I'll google some on that
[01:28] <fraco> siretart: thnx for the info, If I have something on the fonts I'll get back to you.
[01:28] <siretart> fraco: ok. great!
[01:28] <fraco> if for some reason you would be interested in the package I made, you can contact me of course
[01:28] <siretart> fraco: what did you need to change?
[01:28] <siretart> besides debian/changelog and the new upstream tarball?
[01:29] <fraco> erm the alut stuff (but you had a patch for that
[01:29] <fraco> removed some patches
[01:29] <fraco> did the .configure with an extra flag (to prevent it from choking on the openal/alut stuff)
[01:29] <fraco> docs have moved up one dir
[01:29] <fraco> thats all
[01:30] <fraco> not much
[01:30] <siretart> yes, many patches can be dropped (and are already in my bzr branch)
[01:30] <DarkMageZ> !bzr > DarkMageZ
[01:31] <fraco> extra configure flag was --disable-openaltest
[01:31] <fraco> but i think you did work around that in a different way
[01:31] <siretart> ah, that broken configure snippet, yes, I think I fixed that check
[01:31] <siretart> at least in my local copy
[01:32] <fraco> ok, well, erm, big thnx for maintaining that fun game
[01:32] <siretart> :)
[02:08] <Hobbsee> thom: +1 on yoru post on -devel
[02:08] <Hobbsee> (ML)
[02:09] <jsgotangco> nice post
[02:10] <thom> i think the big problem is going to be providing an infrastructure that makes sense for kde and gnome; it may well be that the one-size-fits-all style of beryl isn't appropriate
[02:10] <gnomefreak> antone else think its a good ideat o get frostwire in multiverse?
[02:11] <gnomefreak> s/antone/anyone  s/ideat o/idea to
[02:11] <thom> i have no idea what frostwire is, so you may want to provide some more details
[02:12] <gnomefreak> thom: an Opensource p2p app. pretty much Open Souce version of limewire also runs on java.
[02:13] <gnomefreak> !frostwire
[02:13] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[02:14] <gnomefreak> what spurs me asking is they never build a version of the installer to work with dash. many users use this app and i have had to fix a few people so far with the bash/dash conversion
[02:14] <azeem> so why in multiverse?
[02:14] <gnomefreak> azeem: i was thinking universe but since it depends on java it should be a canidate for multiverse
[02:15] <azeem> oh, I assumed there was a free java stack in Ubuntu by now
[02:15] <gnomefreak> unless it can be compiled with gcj but i doubt it
[02:15] <azeem> well, would be useful to research that
[02:16] <gnomefreak> agreed but my knowledge is slim when it come to packaging it may take me a while to figure it out. and i didnt want to spend a week on packaging it if it was not possible to be added to repos. i dont know why its not there now
[02:19] <gnomefreak> i wrote frostwire an email about building an edgy version of saturday so im expecting a reply on that (makes packaging a bit easier not having to change the installer script)
[02:20] <azeem> why does it have an installer anyway?
[02:21] <gnomefreak> azeem: cause its writen in java i assume
[02:21] <azeem> *blink* :)
[02:21] <gnomefreak> it would be nice if we can drop the installer but thats well over my head
[02:23] <gnomefreak> maybe the reason its not in repos
[02:23] <gnomefreak> however there are .debs built for it on their site
[02:23] <azeem> ah, so the .debs don't use the installer?
[02:24] <gnomefreak> azeem: im assuming they do. since the .deb wont install on edgy proprely because of the #!/bin/sh
[02:25] <gnomefreak> the installer is made to run on bash
[02:27] <gnomefreak> downloading the .deb and opening it i never saw the installer file but i might have missed it
[03:41] <bhale> debconf at 9600baud is painful
[03:41] <bhale> ncurses that is
[03:42] <zul> bhale: what are you doing to use 9600 baud?
[03:42] <bhale> zul: serial console server
[03:42] <zul> ah
[03:42] <bhale> it could do much faster
[03:42] <bhale> but 9600 is default
[03:43] <bhale> i got tired of managing remote servers via the network
[03:43] <bhale> there is an obvious problem with this
[03:45] <Jozo-> Is there any chances push fixed gnunet-package to edgy-updates? See bug 66467 and bug 66507
[03:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66467 in gnunet "Missing dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66467
[03:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 66507 in gnunet "[DEBDIFF]  gnunet: merge new debian version" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/66507
[03:49] <sivang> hi all
[03:54] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:59] <Gloubiboulga> hi sivang, hi bddebian
[04:01] <gnomefreak> in theroy we would like all scripts to run in dash instead of bash correct?
[04:02] <gnomefreak> theory even
[04:03] <thom> well, if you want them to work as /bin/sh there's no theory about it
[04:04] <trappist> gnomefreak: if they're POSIX-compliant, yeah
[04:04] <gnomefreak> doesnt seem to be so changing the #!/bin/sh to #!/bin/bash is ok?
[04:05] <thom> if you _have_ to. fixing the script would be better IMO
[04:05] <gnomefreak> thom: yeah figured as much
[04:05] <gnomefreak> will see if i can find where its defined other than #!
[04:06] <bddebian> Hi Gloubiboulga
[04:06] <trappist> gnomefreak: what script?
[04:06] <gnomefreak> AVA_PROGRAM_DIR="$D/bin/"  that looks like it needs to be changed
[04:07] <gnomefreak> +J in front
[04:07] <gnomefreak> frostwire
[04:07] <gnomefreak> assuming this means no gcj # short-circuit gcj
[04:07] <trappist> that looks like it ought to be find
[04:08] <trappist> most of the stuff breaking in dash has to do with command substitution
[04:08] <trappist> s/find/fine/
[04:09] <gnomefreak> everything i see is defining javas path not so much bash/dash
[04:10] <thom> gnomefreak: does it run with /bin/sh ? if not, what are the errors
[04:10] <gnomefreak> its a 9 error
[04:10] <gnomefreak> oops
[04:10] <gnomefreak> ( error
[04:10] <gnomefreak> cant read the (
[04:11] <thom> paste the whole thing, or run it as "sh -x foo" and see exactly what the line is that fails
[04:12] <zul> anyone know if its ok to remove the files in /var/run/sudo?
[04:12] <gnomefreak> ok let me see if i can try to install her
[04:13] <trappist> zul: I don't have a /var/run/sudo
[04:14] <gnomefreak> it installs fine when you go to run it you get runFrost.sh: 44: Syntax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "}")
[04:15] <gnomefreak> line 44 looks noraml
[04:15] <gnomefreak> so does 43 and 45
[04:15] <trappist> gnomefreak: got a link to the script?  pastebin maybe?
[04:17] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29375/
[04:17] <trappist> ah, I knew I'd see command substitution on line 44 :)
[04:17] <gnomefreak> trappist: english please
[04:17] <gnomefreak> lol
[04:18] <gnomefreak> you mean the j*
[04:18] <gnomefreak> i dont see an ending "
[04:19] <trappist> I mean the ``
[04:19] <gnomefreak> i see beginning
[04:19] <gnomefreak> nvm i found it
[04:19] <gnomefreak> ` isnt a sub is it since it has one at beginngina nd end?
[04:20] <gnomefreak> beginning
[04:21] <trappist> gnomefreak: try getting rid of the parens
[04:22] <gnomefreak> ` or "
[04:22] <gnomefreak> ack )?
[04:24] <gnomefreak> would the deb use the same .sh file as the tar?
[04:27] <gnomefreak> runFrost.sh: 45: Syntax error: Bad substitution
[04:27] <gnomefreak> after removing the ( )
[04:28] <gnomefreak> in line 44
[04:30] <trappist> change that to
[04:30] <trappist> for D in "$potential_java_dirs"; do
[04:30] <gnomefreak> mind you this is witout changing the #!
[04:30] <trappist> (line 45)
[04:31] <gnomefreak> ok trying
[04:31] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm thats not good
[04:32] <gnomefreak> now its not seeing my java
[04:35] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29381/
[04:35] <bhale> [[ is bash, no?
[04:36] <bhale> there is a binary version for compatibility
[04:36] <bhale> er, only [
[04:36] <gnomefreak> bhale: it gonna end up being chaning the full script to do this and i will be looking it up
[06:11] <joejaxx> LaserJock: hello
[06:11] <joejaxx> :)
[06:11] <LaserJock> hi joejaxx
[06:12] <joejaxx> i wanted to ask you if you could be motu mentor
[06:12] <joejaxx> since you already help me :)
[06:13] <joejaxx> hmm if i just built a package that is in edgy but for dapper that should be in backports
[06:13] <joejaxx> my motu mentor*
[06:16] <LaserJock> joejaxx: sure, that's fine
[06:17] <joejaxx> LaserJock: alright
[06:17] <LaserJock> regarding motu mentorship
[06:29] <giskard_> hello  LaserJock
[06:29] <LaserJock> hi giskard
[06:30] <imbrandon> ugh
[06:30] <imbrandon> today sucks
[06:30] <imbrandon> i think i'm gonna get an ulcer
[06:30] <imbrandon> i think i /have/ an ulcer
[06:30] <joejaxx> imbrandon: :\
[06:31] <zul> imbrandon: that sucks..
[06:31] <imbrandon> zul: well thasts not the bad news, its becouse i got divorce papers today
[06:31] <imbrandon> :(
[06:31] <zul> doh!~
[06:31] <imbrandon> fsk, i need to call a lawer
[06:31] <joejaxx> :(
[06:32] <imbrandon> and i really think i have an ulcer now
[06:32] <imbrandon> man today is gonna suck
[06:33] <zul> it could be worse..
[06:33] <imbrandon> i guess, i just cant see how right now
[06:33] <Tonio_> hi
[06:33] <imbrandon> ello Tonio_
[06:34] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ;)
[06:34] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I finally bought a dual core......
[06:34] <Tonio_> third laptop of the year..... shame on me
[06:34] <imbrandon> heh
[06:34] <zul> imbrandon: you could loose your foot due to frost bite
[06:34] <_MMA_> imbrandon: Sorry to hear the news. Thats a shame.
[06:34] <imbrandon> zul: haha
[06:34] <imbrandon> i need a stiff drink
[06:34] <zul> zul: then we could call you clubby
[06:35] <imbrandon> i think i'm gonna go get sloshed tonight
[06:35] <_MMA_> Ill buy one at UDS. ;)
[06:35] <Tonio_> imbrandon: good point is that the seller was an ubuntu user, so when I show him my ubuntu card, he reduced the price 300..... I was completly amazed :)
[06:35] <imbrandon> Tonio_: rockin
[06:36] <Tonio_> imbrandon: absolutly :)
[06:36] <imbrandon> man my head is going 100000 miles an hour
[06:37] <Tonio_> imbrandon: did you test my patches for multimedia simplification ?
[06:37] <Tonio_> packages are available for edgy, waiting for feisty
[06:37] <_MMA_> imbrandon: Do you have kids?
[06:37] <imbrandon> yea 3
[06:38] <imbrandon> Tonio_: cool, i'm not really in the rightn frame of mind to test them right now, but i will
[06:38] <_MMA_> Wow. Im sorry to hear that man. Thats rough. I have 2.
[06:38] <Tonio_> imbrandon: better wait for mtv now.... :)
[06:39] <imbrandon> _MMA_: http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/all.gif has 2 of them in the pic
[06:40] <_MMA_> Cute :) http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1189795&postcount=12 Me and mine.
[06:52] <herzi> dholbach: ping
[06:52] <dholbach> herzi: pong
[06:53] <herzi> dholbach: about a year ago you told me about your network-lib?
[06:53] <dholbach> oh man
[06:53] <herzi> can you set up a repository for it?
[06:53] <dholbach> I'll have to dig it out
[06:53] <dholbach> you'll be thoroughly disappointed
[06:53] <dholbach> phone brb
[06:53] <herzi> k
[07:03] <Tonio_> I didn't read the log before speaking here....
[07:03] <Tonio_> stupid of me
[07:03] <imbrandon> :) its all good
[07:04] <fernando> hi all
[07:07] <joejaxx> any documentation on how to properly go about putting a package into dapper-backports?
[07:08] <Burgwork> joejaxx: it needs to be in dapper itself
[07:08] <Burgwork> and then you ask for it via a bug report
[07:08] <LaserJock> joejaxx: what do you mean by "putting"
[07:08] <joejaxx> well i was building this packages for testing on fluxbuntu
[07:08] <joejaxx> and it is already packaged
[07:09] <joejaxx> for dapper
[07:09] <joejaxx> but it was for edgy
[07:09] <LaserJock> ok, what package is this?
[07:09] <joejaxx> xcompmgr
[07:10] <LaserJock> joejaxx: and you want 1.1.3?
[07:10] <joejaxx> yeah
[07:10] <joejaxx> i am about to try the package on my system
[07:10] <joejaxx> lol
[07:10] <joejaxx> i still need to run linda and litian
[07:10] <LaserJock> then you need to file a backports request
[07:10] <joejaxx> lintian
[07:10] <joejaxx> LaserJock: oh
[07:11] <joejaxx> oh ok
[07:16] <marv_> hi, the easiest way to include my debian packages to ubuntu universe is to upload to REVU, right?
[07:17] <LaserJock> marv_: are they already in Debian?
[07:17] <marv_> LaserJock: yes
[07:18] <marv_> http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=Marvin+Stark&comaint=yes
[07:18] <LaserJock> marv_: then they should be automatically be included when we sync for Feisty
[07:19] <marv_> LaserJock: ah ok right, but do i receive bug reports from ubuntu?
[07:19] <marv_> or is the maintainer changed?
[07:19] <LaserJock> well, the Maintainer: field will change per Debian's request
[07:19] <bhale> marv_: bug mail isnt automatically sent to the Maintainer from control
[07:19] <bhale> marv_: (from Ubuntu)
[07:19] <LaserJock> but there is another field that will have your name
[07:19] <bhale> you can search bugs by package
[07:20] <imbrandon> you can add your self to the bugmail in LP easy
[07:20] <bhale> or subscribe to a package
[07:20] <joejaxx> LaserJock: well the package works :)
[07:21] <LaserJock> joejaxx: did you have to change anything to get it to work on Dapper?
[07:21] <joejaxx> nope
[07:22] <LaserJock> good
[07:22] <marv_> LaserJock: is there only a sync if ubuntu gets updated?
[07:22] <joejaxx> LaserJock:  *** 1.1.3~20060831-0ubuntu1 0
[07:22] <joejaxx>         500 http://archive.fluxbuntu.net dapper/main Packages
[07:22] <joejaxx>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[07:22] <LaserJock> we sync to Debian sid at the beginning of each release cycle
[07:23] <LaserJock> but you can request a manual sync later on if it's needed
[07:24] <marv_> LaserJock: ok, universerse is comparable with sid, right?
[07:24] <bhale> marv_: sortof?
[07:25] <bhale> thats wheremost packages come from
[07:26] <LaserJock> it's a snapshot of sid plus any Ubuntu specific packages and a few other packages
[07:26] <marv_> my target is, that my packages are well tended on debian and ubuntu ;-)
[07:27] <LaserJock> sure
[07:27] <bhale> sounds good
[07:27] <LaserJock> that's my target too :-)
[07:28] <joejaxx> qqq/win 11
[07:29] <LaserJock> marv_: If I were you I'd put myself as a bug contact for the packages I maintain in Debian
[07:29] <LaserJock> marv_: and if there are particular things the Ubuntu people need to know just ping them on IRC or ubuntu-motu mailing list
[07:30] <LaserJock> the MOTU can't always keep everything maintained as we would like
[07:30] <LaserJock> so just getting a little "heads up" from the Debian maintainers is really nice
[07:33] <marv_> ok.
[07:43] <crimsun> ProN00b: please do not fill -devel will senseless drivel. Those applications are not relevant to Ubuntu development. Ask in here regarding updates -- and specifically WHAT YOU CAN DO to help maintain them. Complaining that they're nonexistent or outdated is likely to be ignored if you're not going to step up.
[07:52] <gnomefreak> im assuming we are still all kinds of frozen?
[07:52] <gnomefreak> for edgy
[07:53] <imbrandon> as its stable yes, any edgy updates have to go through the SRU processes
[07:54] <gnomefreak> ah
[07:56] <imbrandon> crimsun, did you hear any word on -backports ? amarok is ready to go so it might be a good "test"
[07:57] <gnomefreak> backports not -updates?
[07:57] <imbrandon> gnomefreak, yes becouse its a new upstream version , not a simple fix to an existing version
[07:57] <gnomefreak> ah
[07:59] <ajmitch> morning all
[07:59] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch
[08:00] <gnomefreak> good morning ajmitch
[08:00] <herzi> dholbach: back?
[08:01] <dholbach> yes
[08:03] <herzi> so, where'd you like to host that code?
[08:04] <dholbach> herzi: I will try to find it (I think I have it burnt on a CD or something) and send you a tarball
[08:04] <dholbach> it's horribly broken and maybe won't even build
[08:04] <dholbach> so I doubt i'll put it online anywhere atm
[08:04] <herzi> okay
[08:04] <herzi> i might ping you on saturday again :)
[08:05] <dholbach> won't be here on saturday, but i'll look into it
[08:05] <herzi> thank you
[08:05] <ajmitch> what fun code have you written, dholbach ?
[08:05] <dholbach> for my thesis, nothing fancy :)
[08:06] <ajmitch> aha :)
[09:09] <luisbg> the english expresion "what so ever" is it written like that?
[09:09] <bhale> whatsoever
[09:10] <luisbg> all together?
[09:10] <bhale> yes.
[09:10] <luisbg> ok, look at bug number 65450
[09:10] <luisbg> I just apt installed it with no problem whatsoever
[09:10] <luisbg> was just going to add a comment saying so
[09:11] <luisbg> should I make the comment or check with you guys the bug doesn't really exist first?
[09:11] <bhale> did you install every binary
[09:11] <bhale> or one?
[09:11] <bhale> you should not ask us if you are sure
[09:11] <luisbg> did apt-get install libao-ruby
[09:12] <bhale> no no
[09:12] <luisbg> and it got libao-ruby1.8 too and installed it all
[09:12] <bhale> apt-cache showsrc libao-ruby | grep inar
[09:12] <bhale> install all of them
[09:12] <bhale> if you havent already
[09:13] <luisbg> it also depends on libao-ruby1.6 (which is broken)
[09:13] <bhale> there you go
[09:13] <bhale> the cause of the bug
[09:13] <luisbg> but shouldn't it work with libao-ruby1.8 only?
[09:13] <bhale> a binary from that source is uninstallable
[09:13] <bhale> its a bug
[09:14] <luisbg> so I should like at why libao-ruby1.6 is not working, right?
[09:15] <imbrandon> right
[09:16] <geser> I assume it's because libruby1.6 is gone (only libruby1.8 and 1.9 is there)
[09:16] <luisbg> libao-ruby1.6 depends on libruby1.6 when that's obsolete, it's libruby1.8
[09:16] <luisbg> damn... you wrote it at the same time as I did
[09:16] <luisbg> so I'm going to update the depends of libruby1.6 =)
[09:16] <bhale> in that case it should stop building libao-ruby1.6
[09:16] <bhale> no?
[09:17] <luisbg> and building libao-ruby1.8?
[09:17] <bhale> why make 1.6 depend on 1.8
[09:17] <bhale> defeats the purpose it seems
[09:17] <luisbg> it seamed weird to me to depend on two versions of the same thing, must be for some reason
[09:17] <geser> libao-ruby1.8 exists
[09:17] <bhale> so that ruby 1.6 and 1.8 are paralel installable
[09:17] <bhale> but apperantly 1.6 is being dropped?
[09:17] <luisbg> geser, yes yes, libao-ruby depends on 1.6 and 1.8
[09:17] <bhale> would be nice to hear that from the ruby guys
[09:18] <luisbg> so where are the ruby guys to ask?
[09:18] <geser> http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/sound/libao-ruby shows only libao-ruby1.8
[09:18] <luisbg> geser, apt tells an other story
[09:19] <luisbg> but then that means the package should depend only in 1.8
[09:19] <geser> $ apt-cache show libao-ruby | grep Depends
[09:19] <geser> Depends: libao-ruby1.8
[09:19] <luisbg> geser, yes... that's why I could install it without problems but...
[09:20] <crimsun> imbrandon: no. I wouldn't count on it until feisty's floodgates open.
[09:20] <luisbg> d33p@selene:~/Desktop/development/ubuntu$ apt-cache showsrc libao-ruby | grep inar
[09:20] <luisbg> Binary: libao-ruby, libao-ruby1.8, libao-ruby1.6
[09:21] <geser> yes, the source package builds also libao-ruby1.6 but libao-ruby doesn't depend on it
[09:21] <luisbg> geser, in the debian/control of libao-ruby there is a package: libao-ruby1.6
[09:21] <luisbg> the package installs and works, but that section is obsolete
[09:22] <luisbg> seams like 1.6 is deprecated
[09:22] <trappist> I don't see a reason to keep the 1.6 stuff
[09:22] <luisbg> me neither
[09:22] <geser> if you stop building libao-ruby1.6 (remove from control) then the bug is fixed
[09:22] <trappist> you'd also want to remove it from debian/rules
[09:22] <luisbg> removing it and sending the debdiff as a comment to launchpad
[09:22] <trappist> lines 24-28
[09:23] <luisbg> trappist, ok thanks
[09:23] <trappist> so then of course you want to remove the build-depends too from control
[09:24] <imbrandon> crimsun, figured as much, wish we could upload directly :(
[09:25] <crimsun> imbrandon: you could try after asking kamion/infinity/keybuk
[09:26] <luisbg> in the changelogs it isn't "unstable" anymore right? is it "edy" or "feisty"?
[09:26] <crimsun> luisbg: the latter.
[09:26] <imbrandon> yea i asked in general in -devel, but i'll do it again when one of them is "awake"
[09:26] <imbrandon> luisbg, correct "feisty"
[09:27] <luisbg> =)
[09:28] <imbrandon> gnomefreak, you still arround, i got to looking at the frostwire packages , seems only needs 3 small changes to work great
[09:29] <joejaxx> backporting is fun
[09:30] <joejaxx> except when you have to backport the package's dependencies and their dependencies haha
[09:30] <imbrandon> joejaxx, that wouldent be my choice of words :)
[09:30] <joejaxx> imbrandon: :P
[09:30] <joejaxx> imbrandon: ^
[09:30] <imbrandon> joejaxx, thats when it becomes in pratical to backport something, it should be able to be backported alone :)
[09:31] <imbrandon> s/in pratical/impratical/
[09:31] <joejaxx> imbrandon: yeah :)
[09:31] <luisbg> debdiff sent =), I have sent a few ones in the last days... how do I know if they have actually been looked at by a MOTU and possibly uploaded?
[09:31] <joejaxx> imbrandon: like i am looking about backporting usplash also
[09:31] <joejaxx> usplash-dev that is
[09:31] <ajmitch> luisbg: you've subscribed ubuntu-universe-sponsors to the bug?
[09:32] <luisbg> ajmitch, yes =)
[09:32] <imbrandon> joejaxx, wow , to what ? if you mean from edgy to dapper, why on earth would you ?
[09:32] <ajmitch> ok, then someone will get to them in time
[09:32] <imbrandon> luisbg, yup it will get taken care of then
[09:32] <joejaxx> imbrandon: well for productivityu
[09:32] <joejaxx> productivity :)
[09:33] <luisbg> my question was how I know it has been taken care of
[09:33] <ajmitch> luisbg: you'll see comments on the bug
[09:33] <imbrandon> a comment on the bug ( along with it being closed when it has )
[09:33] <luisbg> cool
[09:33] <ajmitch> we can't upload anything at the moment
[09:33] <imbrandon> and since you made a comment or filed the bug you will get an email notification about it
[09:33] <luisbg> frozen
[09:34] <joejaxx> imbrandon: i am told that the new usplash supports more colours
[09:34] <luisbg> how does the assigning bugs work in launchpad? I mean when it is used?
[09:34] <joejaxx> imbrandon: instead of the normal 16
[09:34] <imbrandon> joejaxx, it does but its very very involved package, you will have to backport many many packages and libs for little or no benifet
[09:34] <imbrandon> and introduce more bugs into a stable release
[09:35] <joejaxx> imbrandon: well i do not have rights to upload to the repository
[09:35] <joejaxx> lol
[09:35] <imbrandon> so i'm still at the stance "why on earth would you?" , instaead of just using edgy if you want "bling"
[09:35] <joejaxx> imbrandon: there whould not be an bugs
[09:36] <joejaxx> as it whould not be uploaded
[09:36] <joejaxx> imbrandon: because edgy has problems in this application
[09:36] <imbrandon> joejaxx, even if it was used localy , it took the devs many months to get it right and it still falls back on amd64 and such
[09:37] <imbrandon> right but it still boils down to why you "need" more colors for usplash , time spent getting that to work ( weeks at the leaste ) on dapper would be better spent getting the app in question to work on edgy , and also benifet others too
[09:38] <imbrandon> but again , its your time, i cant tell you what to do, just seems off base to me
[09:40] <joejaxx> imbrandon: for fun
[09:40] <imbrandon> okies :)
[09:40] <joejaxx> :)
[09:42] <joejaxx> imbrandon: just trying to explore all the jobs of a motu
[09:42] <joejaxx> that you all do
[09:43] <joejaxx> right now i have building a package from source, backporting
[09:43] <joejaxx> i still do not know how to update or patch packages
[09:43] <joejaxx> or maybe i do and i just do not understand that terminology
[10:01] <ajmitch> luisbg: please remember to use x.y-zubuntu1 versioning
[10:01] <ajmitch> so that 0.1-1 becomes 0.1-1ubuntu1, not 0.1-2
[10:02] <crimsun> betterdesktop.org has some interesting usage videos
[10:02] <luisbg> ajmitch, oops
[10:02] <luisbg> ajmitch, going to fix, sorry
[10:04] <luisbg> ajmitch, since when is this new ubuntu versioning?
[10:06] <Plug> imbrandon: can I grab your art-staging.ubuntu.com g2 theme?
[10:06] <Burgwork> luisbg: since the very beginning of ubuntu
[10:06] <imbrandon> Plug, yes its on art.ubuntu.com live now, but sure
[10:06] <Burgwork> luisbg: it means that when we sync -2 from debian, we don;t have issues
[10:06] <imbrandon> Plug, need me to tar it up for you ?
[10:08] <ajmitch> luisbg: it's always been like this, for any changes we make
[10:08] <Plug> imbrandon: I have another site that could benefit from having it
[10:09] <Plug> imbrandon: if you could, that would be great!
[10:09] <imbrandon> Plug, yea give me a few minutes to finish this upload then i'll login and grab it
[10:09] <Plug> cool, no hurry
[10:11] <luisbg> Burgwork, ajmitch, ooooh, wondered because I've seen a few packages without this versioning
[10:11] <ajmitch> because they're unmodifed from debian
[10:18] <luisbg> ajmitch, ok cool
[10:24] <imbrandon> hrm who is the copyright holder for the software hosted on gnu.org , the FSF ? or the upstream authors
[10:24] <imbrandon> ( thinking about gnash )
[10:26] <ajmitch> whatever the copyright says
[10:28] <crimsun> imbrandon: the authors listed here: http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewcvs/gnash/AUTHORS?rev=<IP_ADDRESS>&root=gnash&view=markup
[10:30] <imbrandon> yea i have the authors but not sure whom to list as the copyright holder in the debian/copyright
[10:30] <ajmitch> imbrandon: look at the source licensing headers
[10:34] <imbrandon> it lists the FSF , so i guess thats it
[10:41] <imbrandon> crimsun, you said libmad0-dev is likely not to stay in main for feisty possibly? should i not link against it ?
[10:41] <imbrandon> err s/-dev//
[10:43] <LaserJock> imbrandon: are you doing backports already?
[10:43] <imbrandon> amarok 1.4.4 , yea
[10:45] <crimsun> imbrandon: no, I said I'd be pleased if it didn't remain in main
[10:45] <crimsun> (it and xmms)
[10:46] <imbrandon> crimsun, ahh ok, hrm well i'm at the point now i'm ready to upload gnash to REVU for some crituque before feisty opens , but the only "questionable" thing i can see is it ( optionaly ) uses libmad0 for mp3 stuff
[10:46] <crimsun> gnash would be universe, no?
[10:47] <imbrandon> to begin with, but i could see it easly goto main if it matures a bit
[10:47] <crimsun> if it remains in universe, I see no reason not to link against libmad
[10:47] <ajmitch> crimsun: gtk+ 1.2 should be dropped from main
[10:48] <imbrandon> yea i guess that could always be removed later ( as its a ./configure option )
[10:48] <crimsun> oh happy day when that happens
[10:49] <crimsun> xmms.
[10:49] <ajmitch> I don't know the justification of xmms remaining in man
[10:49] <ajmitch> s/man/main/
[10:49] <ajmitch> laggy ssh today :)
[10:49] <Burgwork> ajmitch: likely canonical staff
[10:49] <TheMuso> Righ
[10:49] <TheMuso> right
[10:50] <Burgwork> seems everybody is having issues with typing today
[10:50] <TheMuso> Rhythmbox is better than xmms IMO.
[10:50] <Burgwork> yes, yes it is
[10:50] <Burgwork> but there are oldschool people hooked on xmms
[10:50] <ajmitch> Burgwork: git is taking much of my bandwidth getting the latest feisty kernel code
[10:52] <imbrandon> yea but old school can enable universe hehe
[10:52] <Burgwork> yes, yes they can
[10:52] <imbrandon> but it is the only thing that plays mp3s OOTB i guess in main
[10:52] <ajmitch> I used to be hooked on xmms as well
[10:52] <Burgwork> welcome to "I work for a Linux distro company"
[10:52] <bhale> it might end up being orphaned
[10:53] <ajmitch> until I realised that it's crap
[10:53] <Burgwork> therefor I get my crap in main
[10:53] <imbrandon> heh i uesd xmms untill i learned about amarok :)
[10:54] <bhale> Burgwork: eh i have had people buy into putting stuff in main w/o much question as well
[10:54] <crimsun> gst-launch-0.10 all the way.
[10:55] <LaserJock> I just don't listen to music
[10:56] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I can't go without it
[10:56] <LaserJock> it just distracts me from my raging Ubuntu-holic MOTU behaviors
[10:56] <crimsun> yeah, us lowly mortals have to have some distractions
[10:56] <LaserJock> haha
[10:56] <ajmitch> it helps lift me to even higher levels of hacking :)
[10:56] <LaserJock> well, I listen to some music
[10:57] <ajmitch> so that one day, I can hope to be as great as LaserJock :)
[10:57] <LaserJock> but I have pretty much stopped watching TV and playing games because of Ubuntu
[10:57] <Burgwork> so have I
[10:58] <LaserJock> I think I have some music on this thing
[10:58] <joejaxx> i have not used rhythmbox before
[10:58] <ajmitch> but music while hacking is essential
[10:58] <_MMA_> Laserjock: Have you tried "Listen"?
[10:58] <LaserJock> ajmitch: what kind of music do you listen to while hacking, everything?
[10:58] <Burgwork> _MMA_: that bastard child of rb and muine?
[10:58] <_MMA_> Yea. :)
[10:58] <LaserJock> most of my stuff is rock/alternative
[10:58] <ajmitch> LaserJock: classic rock, classical, gregorian chant, you name it :)
[10:59] <LaserJock> maybe I need to go classical for hacking
[10:59] <_MMA_> http://listengnome.free.fr/
[10:59] <ajmitch> nothing better than banging out some code while listening to Bach :)
[11:00] <Burgwork> you can also write marketing and docs well to bach or gregorian chant
[11:00] <crimsun> I tried Banshee yesterday; I like it
[11:00] <LaserJock> oh, I do have a Norah Jones cd on here
[11:01] <LaserJock> that's about as low key as I've got
[11:01] <ajmitch> I need to get something portable that I can take to work
[11:01] <ajmitch> something that'll play the many .ogg files I have
[11:01] <LaserJock> my grandpa was offering to give me a ipod nano loaded with old gospel tunes he likes
[11:01] <LaserJock> I wonder if I should take him on on that
[11:02] <crimsun> definitely. Then install rockbox or whatnot on it.
[11:02] <Burgwork> crimsun: try changing your username to jono and run banshee
[11:02] <LaserJock> Burgwork: what?
[11:02] <Burgwork> abock wrtoe some special jono-only code
[11:02] <LaserJock> haha
[11:02] <ajmitch> Burgwork: why does that not surprise me?
[11:03] <ajmitch> what sort of special code is it?
[11:03] <Burgwork> something todo with sharing
[11:03] <poningru> wtf
[11:03] <Burgwork> I don't think anybody named jono can connect to other peoples shared music
[11:03] <LaserJock> heh
[11:04] <Burgwork> I can see the bug reports on that one
[11:04] <ajmitch> how cruel
[11:04] <ajmitch> slomo_ will have to deal with those :)
[11:04] <LaserJock> hehe
[11:04] <LaserJock> we need an Ubuntu patch to give our Community Manager back full functionality ;-)
[11:04] <Burgwork> no we don't
[11:05] <Burgwork> our community manager is fully function
[11:05] <Burgwork> functional
[11:05] <Burgwork> I mean, look at the dog he got ;)
[11:05] <LaserJock> doh
[11:05] <ajmitch> Burgwork: that's a dog? :)
[11:05] <LaserJock> yeah, my wife loved that puppy
[11:06] <Burgwork> finding ephy has been freezing at least once every two hours for me
[11:07] <ajmitch> this was due to a google maps thing on a page
[11:07] <LaserJock> yikes
[11:07] <ajmitch> it slows everything down
[11:07] <poningru> ajmitch: try getting rid of their cookies
[11:08] <poningru> and there are few js stuff you should disable but that doesnt allow the newer maps features to function
[11:11] <_MMA_> ajmitch: My iRiver has been great and Cowon makes a good player.
[11:12] <slomo_> Burgwork: oh i thought abock removed that part again
[11:12] <slomo_> Burgwork: apperantly not... will be fixed with next upload ;)
[11:14] <LaserJock> yikes
[11:15] <LaserJock> I obviously haven't listened to music enough
[11:15] <LaserJock> I can't figure out how to do much of anything cool with banshee
[11:15] <LaserJock> I got all my music imported
[11:15] <LaserJock> at least
[11:16] <LaserJock> I guess I need to make some playlists
[11:28] <Burgwork> slomo_: don't fix it
[11:29] <Burgwork> slomo_: according to abock at Boston it was still there
[11:33] <LaserJock> what the heck
[11:34] <LaserJock> MOTU Science got an email from the gpredict maintainer asking us to sync edgy
[11:34] <LaserJock> "the gpredict version living in ubuntu is way out of date."
[11:34] <LaserJock> well so I finally had a look at what package we had and what Debian had
[11:35] <ajmitch> I love how these things come up *after* release
[11:35] <LaserJock> and Edgy's version was uploaded to Debian on 2006-07-01
[11:35] <LaserJock> and he uploaded the new version on 2006-9-12
[11:36] <ajmitch> Burgwork: you'll love this..
[11:36] <ajmitch> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1689401#post1689401
[11:38] <Admiral_Chicago> i've got a user who suggests kpowersaver be moved from the universe to defaiult repos
[11:38] <Admiral_Chicago> anyone know why it's in univer
[11:39] <LaserJock> ajmitch: haha
[11:39] <bhale> everything is in universe until someone determines otherwise
[11:39] <Burgwork> ajmitch: saw that
[11:40] <Admiral_Chicago> bhale: ah i see
[11:40] <imbrandon> wow made my 3rd post on the forums
[11:40] <ajmitch> Burgwork: yes, just shows the detachment of the forums from the rest of the Ubuntu world
[11:40] <Burgwork> yep
[11:41] <luisbg> imbrandon, url?
[11:41] <LaserJock> imbrandon: I've got 66 beans ;-)
[11:41] <luisbg> hey LaserJock =)
[11:41] <LaserJock> hi luisbg
[11:41] <luisbg> when is mark giving that interview at bbc?
[11:41] <imbrandon> well considering my other 2 posts were 8 or 9 months ago heh
[11:42] <imbrandon> luisbg, afaik he already has
[11:42] <luisbg> imbrandon, is there any digital copy in the intraweb?
[11:42] <imbrandon> yea , i forgot the url, lemme look, i thought it was on the fridge
[11:42] <imbrandon> lemme check
[11:43] <Admiral_Chicago> imbrandon: i never go on the forums
[11:43] <imbrandon> luisbg, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6080048.stm
[11:43] <tenshu> hi all
[11:43] <luisbg> imbrandon, you are a fast googler
[11:44] <imbrandon> heh
[11:44] <tenshu> i'm getting a weird error with pbuilder, could someone help me with my first package? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1690387
[11:44] <imbrandon> tenshu, have you read the package guide, and whats the error
[11:45] <tenshu> i'm getting a "install: cannot create regular file `/tmp/buildd/ciso-1.0.0/debian/ciso/usr/bin': No such file or directory" error
[11:45] <imbrandon> a forum url does me no good :)
[11:45] <LaserJock> shesh
[11:45] <tenshu> i read the manual on ubuntu-fr.org
[11:45] <imbrandon> did you create the dir ?
[11:45] <_MMA_> luicbg: Heres a audio copy of the interview: http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rmhttp/downloadtrial/worldservice/digitalplanet/digitalplanet_20061023-1700_40_st.mp3
[11:45] <imbrandon> in the debian/dirs file or in the makefile ?
[11:45] <imbrandon> err rules file
[11:46] <tenshu> imbrandon: should i create one through the app makefile (sorry i'm quite confused)
[11:46] <imbrandon> no ignore i said makefile, my head was elsewhere, but you need to make it in the rules or debian/dirs
[11:46] <LaserJock> tenshu: if the app's makefile doesn't you can do it in debian/dirs
[11:46] <imbrandon> if you are trying to install files there
[11:47] <tenshu> i have this in rules "	$(MAKE) install DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/ciso"
[11:47] <luisbg> imbrandon, why are there so many references to microsoft in the article about mark? especially the last two paragraphs
[11:47] <LaserJock> tenshu: do you have a debian/dirs file?
[11:47] <tenshu> yes
[11:47] <imbrandon> tenshu, i dident write it bro :)
[11:47] <imbrandon> err luisbg
[11:47] <LaserJock> tenshu: what's in it?
[11:48] <tenshu> changelog, compat, control, copyright and rules =)
[11:48] <imbrandon> then no dirs file
[11:48] <tenshu> nope
[11:48] <LaserJock> tenshu: no, I was asking if there was a file called dirs in debian/
[11:48] <tenshu> nope
[11:49] <LaserJock> tenshu: make one and put usr/bin in it
[11:49] <tenshu> okai
[11:49] <LaserJock> maybe that should be user/bin/
[11:49] <tenshu> should i do it manually or through the rules file?
[11:49] <LaserJock> just make a file called dirs in debian/
[11:49] <tenshu> okay
[11:50] <tenshu> am i supposed to di this every time i package something?
[11:50] <imbrandon> for the most part yes, every packages is slightly diffrent though
[11:50] <tenshu> ok big thanks to all of you
[11:51] <tenshu> =)
[11:51] <LaserJock> you're welcome ;-)
[11:51] <imbrandon> :)
[11:53] <LaserJock> good to know
[11:53] <imbrandon> wont ya sleep better tonight ? hehe
[11:54] <imbrandon> Tonio_, connection issues ?
[11:54] <imbrandon> heh , why were you subscribed to that list ?
[11:55] <LaserJock> well, there was a cool post
[11:55] <LaserJock> that I wanted to get in on
[11:55] <imbrandon> ahh
[11:55] <LaserJock> somebody wanted to start a Biobuntu
[11:55] <Werdna> imbrandon: what should I package after my dist-upgrade finishes?
[11:55] <luisbg> LaserJock, what's the difference between banshee and rythmbox?
[11:55] <imbrandon> Werdna, as in , learning to package ?
[11:55] <Werdna> yeah
[11:55] <LaserJock> luisbg: well, they're different, but similar
[11:55] <imbrandon> luisbg, obvious diffrence one is c++ one is c# :)
[11:56] <luisbg> LaserJock, let me guess rythmbox is the c# one
[11:56] <imbrandon> no
[11:56] <TheMuso> Is rhythmbox C++? I thought it was just C.
[11:56] <imbrandon> banshee is c#
[11:56] <imbrandon> TheMuso, possibly, i combine c/c++ in my head
[11:56] <luisbg> rythmbox is a little cpu heavy for what it does
[11:56] <TheMuso> That could be gstreamer.
[11:56] <Werdna> imbrandon: hmm?
[11:56] <TheMuso> Pitty the xine back-end wasn't maintained.
[11:57] <imbrandon> for what ?
[11:58] <TheMuso> RHythmbox used to have a xine backend.
[11:58] <TheMuso> Use mpd, and your mind may be changed again.
[11:59] <imbrandon> i have a daap server running
[11:59] <imbrandon> on the file server that i connect to for music
[11:59] <Tonio_> imbrandon: yeah my internet connections sucks for a few days now.......
[11:59] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Right.
[11:59] <Tonio_> imbrandon: I'm getting tired with it
[11:59] <imbrandon> Tonio_, i bet
[11:59] <luisbg> TheMuso, really?
[11:59] <LaserJock> TheMuso: what do you use for a client
[12:00] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Mostly mpc.
[12:00] <TheMuso> But sometimes ncmpc, and when in GUI I use pympd.
[12:02] <tenshu> Sorry this is me again, i had creted the debian/dirs and adding usr/bin in it but i still have the "install: cannot create regular file `/tmp/buildd/ciso-1.0.0/debian/ciso/usr/bin': No such file or directory"
[12:02] <TheMuso> LaserJock: I used to use rhythmbox, but since I have several machines on a KVM, if I wanted to change the track, I always had to go back to the machine running rhythmbox to do so.
[12:02] <TheMuso> This is where mpd is really handy.
[12:02] <LaserJock> the biggest thing I like about mpc is that I can logout and switch DEs and still have my music
[12:02] <TheMuso> CLients on all machines means I can change whenever I feel like it, and from the current box that I'm using.
[12:02] <LaserJock> Werdna: whatever you want
[12:03] <Werdna> LaserJock: I'm after ideas here/
[12:03] <luisbg> TheMuso, that is cool
[12:03] <imbrandon> Werdna, shouting will get you ignored more, but do any package you fancy to
[12:03] <TheMuso> luisbg: Yeah it is.
[12:03] <luisbg> TheMuso, how many machines do you have?
[12:03] <LaserJock> Werdna: pick something on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates
[12:03] <Werdna> I know, but I was trying to figure out which ones would be easiest
[12:03] <TheMuso> luisbg: 5.
[12:04] <TheMuso> One alpha, one PPC, and threst x86.
[12:04] <LaserJock> Werdna: that's a very tough question to answer
[12:04] <luisbg> TheMuso, alpha? why?
[12:04] <LaserJock> Werdna: pick one you are interested in try it out
[12:04] <TheMuso> luisbg: Because I got it for free, and I like learning about non x86 hardware.
[12:04] <luisbg> TheMuso, nice, lucky you to get it for free
[12:04] <tenshu> no idea guys?
[12:05] <TheMuso> luisbg: Yeah.
[12:05] <TheMuso> Its an old Alphastation 500.
[12:05] <luisbg> nice
[12:06] <TheMuso> And is singlehandedly the loudest machine I have.
[12:06] <luisbg> lol
[12:06] <luisbg> and why 3 x86's?
[12:06] <luisbg> isn't one enough?
[12:06] <TheMuso> One dual celeron, one Pentium M notebook, and one P4.
[12:06] <LaserJock> tenshu: pastebin your debian/rules file
[12:06] <imbrandon> tenshu, add "mkdir -p $(CURDIR)/debian/ciso/usr/lib" in the rules above the make install
[12:07] <LaserJock> !pastebin > tenshu
[12:07] <luisbg> TheMuso, why don't you retire the p4?
[12:07] <LaserJock> retire?
[12:07] <imbrandon> retire a p4 ?
[12:07] <TheMuso> Because I currently haven't got the cash to upgrade it yet, and it still works fine for my needs.
[12:08] <TheMuso> But I have a family member who will receive it once I move on.
[12:08] <luisbg> or why did you got the dual celeron having a p4?
[12:08] <tenshu> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29462/
[12:08] <TheMuso> As I would like a dual core machine at some point.
[12:08] <TheMuso> luisbg: I wanted a dual CPU machine.
[12:08] <TheMuso> luisbg: There are people out there who have much more hardware than I ever will have.
[12:09] <luisbg> TheMuso, I know
[12:09] <TheMuso> But having lots of machines allows you to spread tasks between them very efficiently.
[12:09] <TheMuso> Even if some of them are quite slow.
[12:09] <luisbg> TheMuso, do you really have that much tasks?
[12:09] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Mine is a dual celeron 466 on an Abit BP6 mobo.
[12:09] <LaserJock> tenshu: and how are you building the source package?
[12:09] <imbrandon> :)
[12:09] <TheMuso> luisbg: SOmetimes.
[12:09] <_MMA_> Speaking of hardware. Laserjock. Did you have a chat with the System76 guys?
[12:09] <luisbg> I used to have a few old machines running all time, until I realized it wasn't worth it
[12:09] <imbrandon> luisbg, yes , many of us have that many tasks and more
[12:10] <tenshu> debuild -S -sa
[12:10] <luisbg> imbrandon, like what?
[12:10] <LaserJock> _MMA_: not yet, we're still getting our stuff together :/
[12:10] <_MMA_> Ahh...
[12:10] <_MMA_> Hopefully they make it to UDS/MV.
[12:10] <TheMuso> luisbg: For example, when ripping a lot of CDs, I rip four CDs at once on four machines.
[12:11] <luisbg> TheMuso, LOL
[12:11] <TheMuso> Very quick and efficient overall.
[12:11] <_MMA_> Laserjock: They mentioned going.
[12:11] <TheMuso> And store them on one machine via NFS.
[12:11] <luisbg> I just think sometimes it is useful in such puntual moments, in general it might not
[12:11] <Burgwork> LaserJock: system76 going to be offering the MOTUs some buildds?