[19:00] <RonSilver> Hello. I have been trying to find a good version of Ubuntu to put on a computer to give to my 6 year old son. Is this a good version?
[19:05] <oed> Sure, it has the simplicity of ubuntu with additional education tools


[10:47] <cpaelzer> thanks rharper for your mail
[10:47] <cpaelzer> rharper: I was creating wrappers accordingly to show our user-stories
[10:47] <cpaelzer> so far working fine
[10:48] <cpaelzer> I also made some time analysis with cloud-init-analyze on case 2 I wanted to discuss with you
[10:48] <cpaelzer> Also I'm not sure if we want/need to "show" user story #4, I'd more expect that to be the story that leads over to the discussion on how to stage it into Xenial
[10:52] <cpaelzer> rharper: now lunch, then creating case 3 but that is essentially 2 on Openstack which should be fine
[10:52] <cpaelzer> rharper: please ping me once you are around for the discussion on the #2 timings
[11:24] <cpaelzer> smoser: you would have enjoyed this lunch http://johorkaki.blogspot.com/2015/10/samyang-extremely-spicy-chicken-flavor.html
[12:21] <cpaelzer> rharper: comparing times on the Openstack based execution is just as non-helpful
[12:22] <cpaelzer> rharper: I need to discuss if/where I should see something stable enough for the Demo other than the huge ec2 conf timeout
[12:22] <cpaelzer> that one I have and I also like how we can show of the "snap config and install via cloud-init"
[12:23] <cpaelzer> but everything I threw at cloud-init analyze so far didn't give me a good showcase for the timing at least
[12:23] <cpaelzer> on top it seems that the older ci enabled image has not yet the improvements on the output for cloud-init analyze to be able to differ the stages more easily
[12:23] <cpaelzer> rharper: ping me, I can send you data or let you to my bastion whatever we need
[12:24] <cpaelzer> other than that the tech part is ready creating a few raw slides to guide along
[13:31] <cpaelzer> rharper: smoser: jgrimm: I've made a draft for the ds-identify show and fully automated the demo part of it based on ryans work
[13:31] <cpaelzer> rharper: thanks
[13:31] <cpaelzer> I'll share the draft slide deck so you can review/modify
[13:32] <cpaelzer> if nothing is fatally broken jgrimm and I will adapt depending what comes up on Monday
[13:32] <cpaelzer> shared
[13:33] <cpaelzer> rharper: the only blind spot that is left is my lack of a good case to show the timing - waiting for you to show up
[13:33] <cpaelzer> maybe I even have all I need but just don't find it impressive enough :-)
[13:46] <rharper> cpaelzer: not quite in yet, but I think this should capture the delta we need (the first being , no searching, then latter how cloud-init on OpenStack looks without identify)  http://paste.ubuntu.com/23746042/
[14:03] <cpaelzer> rharper: forgot to reply - I think I see what you mean - gathering that on my dmeo env now and seeing it it shows something nice
[15:14] <cpaelzer> hrm
[15:15] <cpaelzer> rharper: smoser: I found every now and then (about 1/8 of the cases) that the final stage hangs
[15:15] <cpaelzer> thought it is part of my ssh setup, but now got in and I find it hanging
[15:15] <cpaelzer> oh I see
[15:15] <cpaelzer> not "us" but snap it seems
[15:16] <rharper> cpaelzer: ok, here now
[15:16] <rharper> yes
[15:16] <rharper> if you use my user-data
[15:16] <rharper> it does snap installs
[15:16] <rharper> which may take some time
[15:16] <cpaelzer> which I want for some of the cases
[15:16] <cpaelzer> but, what I mean is that this sometimes hangs
[15:16] <cpaelzer> like really for minutes
[15:16] <rharper> snaps do that
[15:17] <cpaelzer> how unfriendly
[15:17] <rharper> download, verify, unpack, squash mount, etc
[15:17] <cpaelzer> is there anything cloud-init should do to unlock that?
[15:17] <cpaelzer> the process is sleepng
[15:17] <rharper> apt isn't fast either
[15:17] <cpaelzer> I really think it is dead some way
[15:18] <rharper> possible, in general, we've discussed the idea of doing some config modules in parallel but it's a non-trivial problem if one has dependencies between them
[15:18] <cpaelzer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23746560/
[15:18] <cpaelzer> what I want would be a timeout and retry
[15:18] <cpaelzer> this is now crossing the 10 minute mark - it won't ever succeed
[15:18] <cpaelzer> (likely)
[15:18] <rharper> no
[15:18] <rharper> see the mount
[15:18] <rharper>  systemctl start snap-part\x2dcython-3.mount
[15:18] <rharper> that's not us
[15:19] <cpaelzer> the x2dcython-3.mount one
[15:19] <rharper> right
[15:19] <cpaelzer> ok let me rephrase
[15:19] <rharper> I understand what you suggest;
[15:19] <cpaelzer> I think it is a snap issue, but should the snap module of cloud-init take care to detect and recover in those cases
[15:19] <rharper> config modules can certainly have timeouts
[15:19] <cpaelzer> oh ok
[15:19] <cpaelzer> sorry for feeling misunderstood then
[15:19] <rharper> we do in other places (like searching for data sources)
[15:19] <rharper> no
[15:19] <rharper> no worries
[15:22] <cpaelzer> but when scripts start a bunch of them 1/8 hits often enough to feel bad :-)
[15:24] <rharper> yeah, maybe use different snaps
[15:27] <cpaelzer> one instead of three should already help to mitigat most I hope
[15:27] <rharper> yeah
[15:27] <rharper> hello is going to be fast and easy
[15:27] <rharper> it's the #1 snap in the store  =)
[15:41] <cpaelzer> another issue seems to be that if I check /var/lib/cloud/instance/boot-finished too early that seems to conflict with the final stage (re)starting ssh - that makes the final stage hang as well it seems
[15:41] <cpaelzer> which still is part of config snappy I jsut see
[15:41] <cpaelzer>  |`->running config-snappy with frequency once-per-instance @02.00000s +912.00000s
[15:41] <cpaelzer> that is in the analyze after I hard restarted the ssh on the UC16 openstack guest
[15:42] <rharper> strange
[15:43] <cpaelzer> that is in the case without user-data even
[15:44] <rharper> not following final stage restarting ssh ?
[15:44] <cpaelzer> the cloud-analyze output is linear as well right?
[15:44] <rharper> sure, it's just sorted by event timestamp
[15:45] <cpaelzer> rharper: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23746681/ line 212
[15:45] <cpaelzer> the pastebin has three cases with-data, no-data-ds-identify, no-data-old
[15:46] <rharper> hrm
[15:46] <rharper> I'm not seeing that huge time
[15:46] <rharper> which image?  recent or the old one ?
[15:47] <cpaelzer> old one
[15:47] <cpaelzer> you think it might just be an old issue?
[15:47] <rharper> possibly
[15:47] <rharper> it certainly has older packages
[15:47] <rharper> which may get refreshed updated
[15:47] <rharper> which could block time
[15:47] <rharper> let me upload a newer  image without the updated cloud-init
[15:47] <rharper> so it's more apples to apples w.r.t boot time
[15:52] <cpaelzer> no hurry ping me or write mail once you rebuilt one - so I can exchange the image I use
[15:54] <cpaelzer> thanks for the "policy can be overridden" statement - missed to add that
[15:57] <cpaelzer> rharper: FYI - I have all the timing data if discussion comes up, but I think there is nothing with enough "bang" in it to get a slide
[15:57] <cpaelzer> I can pull them out whenever needed - or not if not
[15:57] <cpaelzer> too much data without the need could lead to deep dives on unimportant numbers
[15:57] <rharper> well, I think a 10x factor in time to run cloud-init-local is nice enough
[15:58] <rharper> the biggest win will be in the ec2 image (we don't have those times) simply because ec2 runs *last*
[15:58] <cpaelzer> of course
[15:58] <cpaelzer> just at least on openstack old and new image both are rather fast
[15:59] <cpaelzer> or my timing granularity is bad
[15:59] <cpaelzer> it's basically 00.0000 for init-local and init-network on OLD
[15:59] <rharper> well, you need to use the journalctl method to get subsecond resolution
[15:59] <cpaelzer> I had both
[15:59] <cpaelzer> ah year
[15:59] <cpaelzer> it is so small
[15:59] <cpaelzer> fine
[16:00] <rharper> I suggest trying again with the journalctl -o short,precise -u cloud-init-local | cloudinit-analyze show -i -
[16:00] <cpaelzer> do I miss something that init-network is not in the journal methof?
[16:00] <cpaelzer> method
[16:00] <cpaelzer> I already have the journal data rharper
[16:00] <rharper> I just did one unit
[16:00] <cpaelzer> 00.56115 -> 00.08126
[16:00] <rharper> you can string them all
[16:00] <rharper> in total time it's small
[16:00] <cpaelzer> I'll do so
[16:01] <rharper> but it's a rather huge reduction
[16:01] <rharper> -u cloud-init-local -u cloud-init -u cloud-config -u cloud-final
[16:01] <rharper> are the unit names to append to the journalctl command
[16:01] <cpaelzer> now that I spent the automation effort for all showcases it is a minor change to get it with that on top :-)
[16:01] <rharper> that'll get you all stages
[16:01] <rharper> k
[16:02] <rharper> for the images using config-drive, the change will be small, ones using Openstack datasource, will be larger win as it probes local + other clouds then OpenStack datasource
[16:03] <rharper> so the further from the "head" of the list, the greater the win w.r.t time reduction;  and you're right, it's not huge in terms of wallclock time
[16:03] <rharper> but the improvement scales with the speed of the system
[16:04] <cpaelzer> ok, then I'm good
[16:04] <rharper> a follow up is that the POC only prevents cloud-init from probing other sources
[16:04] <cpaelzer> it means I rad the data correctly and it isn't impressive until underlining the sweet spots :-)
[16:04] <rharper> we will further have cloud-init skip the specific datasource probe as well
[16:04] <rharper> yes, that's true
[16:05] <cpaelzer> but - as we said when you showed cloud-init analyze - no matter if big or small, having the data is the important point for the discussions
[16:05] <rharper> yep
[17:47] <powersj> magicalChicken: https://paste.ubuntu.com/23747530/
[17:54] <magicalChicken> powersj: needs --upgrad
[17:55] <magicalChicken> I had meant to do that yesterday, I;'ll get that done now
[17:55] <magicalChicken> I added a config flag to automatically do --upgrade on linuxcontainers.org images
[17:55] <magicalChicken> since they don't ship with cloud-init
[17:55] <powersj> ok
[17:55] <powersj> let me know when I can pull again (no rush) and I can continue playing with it :)
[17:56] <magicalChicken> powersj: sure, should have that fixed in just a bit
[18:23] <aixtools> o/
[18:25] <aixtools> before I get started again - a git question. How do I update 'my' copy - aka aixtools (aixtools<EMAIL_ADDRESS>(push)) - from origin  (https://git.launchpad.net/cloud-init (fetch))
[18:27] <nacc> aixtools: do you have changes in your branch relative to what you currently have from cloud-init origin?
[18:27] <magicalChicken> aixtools: you can add the origin as a remote and pull
[18:28] <nacc> and then you'd rebase your branch(es) onto the updated origin/master, normally
[18:28] <nacc> it depends on your workflow, and what, if any changes, you have locally
[18:35] <aixtools> i have a seperate branch I am working (an AIX port I hope); I have 'aixtools' that is my clone of master.
[18:36] <aixtools> what I would like to do is: 1) get my launchpad "clone" up to date; 2) use that to update (i think fetch?) my 'local' copy of 'master';
[18:36] <nacc> aixtools: sorry, can you pastebin the output of `git remote; git branch; git branch -r` ?
[18:36] <aixtools> finally,. 3:
[18:37] <aixtools> update/merge the changes of the current status into my 'changes' for aix-port
[18:37] <aixtools> moment
[18:43] <aixtools> http://pastebin.com/8wfzSqTq
[18:43] <nacc> aixtools: ok, so this is how *I* would do it, you can choose to take/leave what you want :)
[18:43] <aixtools> i am a noob - I shall live and learn :)
[18:43] <nacc> aixtools: what i would first do (for your own sanity/helpfullness) is make sure that your ~/.gitconfig has:
[18:44] <nacc> [log]
[18:44] <nacc>       decorate = short
[18:44] <nacc> that will put in `git log` output, things like tags and head names if they are in the history
[18:44] <nacc> if you do that, in your current branch (aix-port), `git log` should indicate that an ancestor of HEAD is origin/master (I'm guessing, presuming you have not fetched yet)
[18:45] <nacc> so the way to update your tree would be then:
[18:45] <nacc> 1) git fetch origin
[18:45] <nacc> 2) git rebase -i origin/master
[18:46] <nacc> iiuc, (it does depend on how many commits you have relative to the old upstream you were using), this will present you with an $EDITOR window, which allows you to specify how to treat the commits that are to be carreid forward
[18:46] <aixtools> did that also update my copy i.e<EMAIL_ADDRESS>, or is that an update of my local disks?
[18:47] <aixtools> (step 1, that is)
[18:47] <nacc> just local
[18:47] <aixtools> and step 2 - starting now...
[18:47] <nacc> all step 1) did was to fetch from the 'origin' remote any branches and commits
[18:48] <nacc> so then 3) would be `git push aixtools aix-port` (presuming your remote branch is also called aix-port, if it's master there, you would say aix-port:master)
[18:48] <aixtools> step 2 - what is that 'trying' to do. looks like my changes coming into 'master' which I do not want.
[18:49] <nacc> aixtools: look at the pictures in `man git-rebase`
[18:49] <aixtools> i want to move 'master' into aix-port and.or see conflicts, so I can review them
[18:49] <nacc> basically you have a topic branch (aix-port)
[18:49] <nacc> oh
[18:49] <nacc> wait, what?
[18:50] <aixtools> maybe my thought process is 'wrong',
[18:50] <aixtools> yes - topic branch aka aix-port
[18:50] <nacc> so git is just storing a DAG, right?
[18:50] <nacc> directed acyclic graph
[18:50] <aixtools> DAG was shorter, still do not know the fancy verb
[18:51] <aixtools> adjective i should say
[18:51] <nacc> ok, let's gloss it for now
[18:51] <aixtools> hence, i wanted my 'local' master to be equal to the project master.
[18:51] <nacc> if you look at the first example in `man git-rebase` (around line 68)
[18:51] <nacc> aixtools: right, but you don't *need* that at all for git
[18:52] <aixtools> git is turning into the new trick this old dog cannot learn
[18:53] <aixtools> i read somewhere git is keeping three copies: the 'master', a local copy of the master, and then the local changes
[18:53] <nacc> aixtools: i mean, yes your repository's master branch can track origin/master, but you also already have origin/master :)
[18:54] <nacc> i feel like this would be way faster to explain on the phone :)
[18:54] <nacc> but let me keep going
[18:54] <aixtools> my thought is to keep my topic-branch as close to master as I can.
[18:54] <nacc> yep
[18:54] <nacc> that's smart
[18:54] <nacc> you do that with regular rebases
[18:55] <aixtools> ok, so all i have done now is step 1, step 2 I aborted.
[18:55] <nacc> aixtools: do you have hangouts? i can explain this quickly if you have the time?
[18:55] <aixtools> for the rebase - would I go back to my branch and then execute 'rebase'
[18:56] <aixtools> (imho - git has a lot of features - I wiull someday see the benefit(s) - but for now they just confuse.
[18:56] <nacc> right, i didn't realize you had left your branch
[18:56] <nacc> as your output before was that you were on the aix-port branch
[18:56] <nacc> and `git fetch` doesn't move your checked out state at all
[18:57] <aixtools> well, I did git checkout master before starting irc
[18:57] <nacc> ah
[18:57] <nacc> don't do that :)
[18:57] <nacc> wasn't in my list of steps :)
[18:57] <aixtools> no, it was in someone elses list (long-live google)
[18:58] <aixtools> seemed to be the way to prepare for a merge
[18:58] <aixtools> which is what I thought I needed to do
[18:58] <nacc> so, here's my opinion
[18:58] <nacc> you have no need for a local master branch
[18:58] <aixtools> nods
[18:58] <nacc> it is of no use to you, as you're always doing topic branches forked from upstream's master
[18:58] <nacc> so let's just ignore the local master :)
[18:58] <aixtools> :)
[18:59] <nacc> you can delete it, but git will complain sometimes, so it's easier to leave it around, but ignore it
[18:59] <nacc> so we're going to only work on your aix-port branch
[18:59] <nacc> (git checkout aix-port)
[18:59] <nacc> we're going to run the rebase step here, which is basically telling git (long typing to follow)
[18:59] <nacc> git rebase -i origin/master
[18:59] <nacc> (implicilty the commit to rebase is HEAD)
[19:00] <nacc> I was based off something in the history of origin/master
[19:00] <nacc> but now origin/master has moved on without me
[19:00] <nacc> I want git to 'remember' all the stuff that i've done from that historical fork-point (called the merge-base) and save it
[19:00] <nacc> then I want to fast-forward the branch I'm on (which HEAD is on) to the updated state of origin/master
[19:01] <nacc> and then I want to replay the 'remembered' stuff, as new commits
[19:01] <aixtools> so, just save the file with all the 'picks' in it.
[19:01] <nacc> aixtools: in your case, yeah
[19:01] <nacc> aixtools: as you don't want to drop anything
[19:01] <aixtools> not yet :)
[19:01] <aixtools> Successfully rebased and updated refs/heads/aix-port.
[19:02] <nacc> aixtools: you can, in the future, probably, drop the -i. I like to always see what git-rebase is going to do, but your case should be a quick rebase each time, esp. if you do it often
[19:02] <aixtools> On branch aix-port
[19:02] <aixtools> Your branch and 'aixtools/aix-port' have diverged,
[19:02] <aixtools> and have 9 and 10 different commits each, respectively.
[19:02] <nacc> right
[19:02] <aixtools> so, rather than the pull suggested, I would do a push?
[19:03] <aixtools> to put the local copy on the server?
[19:03] <nacc> yep, i said that earlier, `git push aixtools aix-port`
[19:03] <nacc> now, if i had to guess, that will complain saying it's not a fast forward
[19:03] <aixtools> forgot that... my apologies
[19:03] <nacc> np!
[19:05] <aixtools> few lines too many... http://pastebin.com/289U3mCR
[19:05] <nacc> non-fast-forward is the important bit
[19:05] <nacc> so the reasoning here is
[19:05] <nacc> imagine someone was using your branch as the basis for their work
[19:06] <nacc> they, just like you did, want to be able to do a `git fetch origin` (excpet their origin is your repository)
[19:06] <nacc> and have it make sense and be a linear history
[19:06] <nacc> but you just 'moved' your history by rebasing it
[19:07] <nacc> so for your topic branch, it's relatively likely you'll need to tell `git-push` the '-f' flag (to force), *if* you know your local branch is correct
[19:07] <aixtools> so, just add -f
[19:07] <nacc> after verifying you want your local aix-port branch to be what is ont he server
[19:08] <nacc> (by looking at git-log, diffing against origin/master, etc)
[19:08] <aixtools> well, as I am working solo - it is either a mess and I get to start over again, or it is okay.
[19:09] <aixtools> I'll vote (read hope) for the latter.
[19:09] <nacc> ack, it's not a big deal for topic branches that are one-offs
[19:09] <aixtools> Total 56 (delta 40), reused 0 (delta 0)
[19:09] <aixtools> To ssh://git.launchpad.net/~aixtools/cloud-init
[19:09] <aixtools>  + f1dee34...be633b8 aix-port -> aix-port (forced update)
[19:09] <nacc> it's a bigger deal for origins, masters, etc
[19:10] <aixtools> So, maybe even a good way to learn the ropes.
[19:10] <nacc> note that until you do a MR, there's not really even a reason to push
[19:10] <nacc> except if you develop in multiple places, or if you are worried about your system dying
[19:10] <nacc> there's also not a reason *not* to push, admittedly
[19:10] <aixtools> thanks very much - the boss (wife) called. time to go...
[19:10] <aixtools> well, I am also trying to learn git.
[19:11] <aixtools> later, or tomorrow. thx.
[19:11] <nacc> aixtools: np! i'll be around
[19:11] <aixtools> afk
[19:33] <magicalChicken> powersj: I got the setup_overrides working so lxd images can force --upgrade even if it isn't specified
[19:33] <magicalChicken> powersj: so 'run -n xenial' should work now without upgrade
[19:42] <powersj> magicalChicken: tests appear to be running, thank you!
[19:46] <powersj> magicalChicken: I just got the too many open files on my laptop
[19:46] <magicalChicken> powersj: what image was it on?
[19:47] <powersj> python3 -m tests.cloud_tests run -v -n xenial
[19:47] <powersj> didn't think you mentioned that with the ubuntu image
[19:47] <magicalChicken> powersj: i've never seen it with xenial
[19:48] <powersj> https://paste.ubuntu.com/23748172/
[19:48] <magicalChicken> i only get it on centos 7/6.6, debian wheezy, and ubuntu precise
[19:49] <magicalChicken> powersj: you're getting it in a different place too
[19:49] <magicalChicken> i've always seen the stacktrace come from inside pylxd
[19:50] <magicalChicken> not sure what's going on yet, must be resources leaking somehow
[19:51] <rharper> something is leaking file descriptors, likely the exec bits in pylxd ?
[19:51] <magicalChicken> yeah, it must be something like that
[19:51] <magicalChicken> this only started after the switch to pylxd 2.2 i think
[19:52] <magicalChicken> i'm going to make a branch with centos/debian support but using pylxd 2.1, see if it happens there
[19:52] <rharper> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1602192
[19:53] <rharper> Apparently the relevant limit is /proc/sys/fs/inotify/max_user_instances. This is "128" by default. When increasing it with
[19:53] <rharper>    sudo sysctl fs.inotify.max_user_instances=256
[19:53] <rharper> looks to be the tl;dr
[19:54] <rharper> https://github.com/lxc/lxd/blob/master/doc/production-setup.md
[19:54] <rharper> that looks helpful here
[19:54] <magicalChicken> that definitely looks related
[19:55] <magicalChicken> from the last comment on there, it sounds like the init system being used by the container has an effect on whether or not the bug occurs
[19:55] <magicalChicken> which could explain why i'm only seeing it with some distros
[19:56] <rharper> for sure
[19:56] <rharper> systemd new enough spawns cgroups per unit
[19:56] <rharper> including inotify watches on each one
[19:56] <magicalChicken> aah
[19:56] <magicalChicken> that make sense
[19:56] <rharper> so, pre-systemd like 2XX or something like that isn't affected
[19:57] <magicalChicken> I'm hesitant about just bumping the limit though
[19:57] <magicalChicken> because it may still hit the limit eventually
[19:57] <rharper> but there's nothing to do about that other than wait
[19:57] <rharper> right?
[19:57] <magicalChicken> Maybe minimizing the calls to execute() would help, as right now it polls for the system being up using execute()
[19:57] <rharper> it's a global limit
[19:57] <rharper> well, sounds like systemd execution in the guest is consuming them
[19:58] <rharper> not exec (I was thinking of leaking fd's , we say that like more than a year ago)
[19:58] <magicalChicken> oh, yeah if its systemd itself that's using all the fd then there's not much to help
[19:58] <rharper> right, other than watching the global limit and raising it before running
[19:58] <rharper> we can raise it up, watch the count during a run
[19:58] <rharper> and see how close we get
[19:59] <rharper> and then in jenkins (at least) ensure we run with a limit high enough to handle things with some head room
[19:59] <magicalChicken> yeah, that should work
[19:59] <magicalChicken> hopefully there'll be either systemd or kernel changes to fix this eventually though
[19:59] <rharper> there's no fix
[19:59] <rharper> it's just a global resource that's being used
[20:00] <rharper> sorta like file descriptors;  if you make that man opens, it has to be tracked;
[20:00] <powersj> magicalChicken: also https://github.com/lxc/pylxd/issues/209
[20:00] <rharper> systemd is a heavy inotify user
[20:00] <powersj> and 211 from the link at the bottom
[20:00] <rharper> ha!
[20:00] <rharper> double whammy
[20:00] <magicalChicken> yay :)
[20:01] <rharper> time to poke  rockstar in #lxd
[20:01] <magicalChicken> well, that one is fixable
[20:01] <magicalChicken> haha yeah
[20:01] <magicalChicken> temp fix in the test suite is to go back to polling inside the instance with a single call to execute() though
[20:02] <rharper> we could even test it
[20:02] <rharper> either way, for sure
[20:02] <magicalChicken> funny enough, I changed to doing it in python right after the pylxd 2.2 switch
[20:02] <rharper> hehe
[20:02] <magicalChicken> yeah, doing that swicth should show which bug broke us
[20:02] <magicalChicken> or it could be both too :)
[20:03] <rharper> well, I suspect the exec fd is the big one, but it was hard to find without systemd consuming a bunch of stuff too
[20:03] <magicalChicken> the systemd limit is still an issue without exec though too
[20:03] <magicalChicken> because ideally I had wanted to get all of this going in parallel
[20:03] <rharper> yeah, but I think raising the limit on a jenkins instance is reasonable, and we can add that to testsuite docs
[20:03] <rharper> yeah =)
[20:03] <magicalChicken> yeah, that makes sense
[22:13] <erick3k> hi
[22:13] <erick3k> anyone here?
[22:13] <erick3k> or everyone hidleing?
[22:13] <erick3k> idleing
[22:14] <rharper> best to just ask, folks will answer when they can
[22:14] <erick3k> oh nice
[22:14] <erick3k> just making sure there is ppl
[22:14] <erick3k> i go other rooms and they are full yet is like there is nobody
[22:14] <rharper> happens here too
[22:14] <rharper> =)
[22:14] <erick3k> oh
[22:14] <erick3k> hehe
[22:15] <erick3k> question
[22:15] <erick3k> i am trying to expire root password after launch
[22:15] <erick3k> is it possible to do it within the vm?
[22:15] <erick3k> in cloud.cfg?
[22:15] <erick3k> although this doesnt work: # System and/or distro specific settings # (not accessible to handlers/transforms) system_info:    # This will affect which distro class gets used    distro: ubuntu    # Default user name + that default users groups (if added/used)    default_user:      name: root      lock_passwd: false 	 chpasswd:       expire: True
[22:15] <rharper> let's look at the user config
[22:15] <erick3k> something like that?
[22:16] <erick3k> like the cloud.cfg?
[22:17] <rharper> http://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/modules.html#users-and-groups   shows you can set expire to a date;
[22:17] <rharper> lemme look at the code to see what get's passed around
[22:17] <rharper> another option is to use the chage command as a run_cmd
[22:18] <erick3k> sorry rharper am not familiar with terms
[22:19] <erick3k> by user config you mean cloud.cfg on /etc/cloud?
[22:19] <rharper> there's a linux command called 'chage'
[22:19] <rharper>  /etc/cloud is the default config, typically one passes in user-data into the stance in addition to the default
[22:19] <rharper> at least on debian/ubuntu, there's no root password set, so nothing to expire
[22:19] <erick3k> problem is i would like to do it within the vm
[22:20] <erick3k> instead of passing it throught user-data
[22:20] <erick3k> i did set a password
[22:20] <rharper> and your image already has a password set for root, right
[22:20] <erick3k> but upon launching i want it to expire so customers have to reset it
[22:20] <rharper> if you're authoring the image
[22:21] <rharper> then when you set the root password, you can use the chage command to expire it immediately
[22:21] <rharper> rather than doing it in cloud-init (which is just going to run the 'chage' command anyhow)
[22:22] <erick3k> i tried both
[22:22] <erick3k> passwd --expire root and  chage -d 0 root
[22:22] <erick3k> before powering off and runing cloud-init
[22:22] <erick3k> but does't work
[22:23] <rharper> you want to look at the 'mount-image-callback' command; this let's you run commands inside the filesystem of the vm
[22:23] <erick3k> it applies whatever password you set but upon login it is not expired
[22:23] <rharper> you can use chage --list root to see what got set
[22:25] <erick3k> ok gonna try that agian
[22:31] <erick3k> ummm
[22:31] <erick3k> rharper it worked
[22:32] <erick3k> but
[22:32] <erick3k> i get this https://i.imgur.com/xPgaxcO.png
[22:32] <erick3k> until i change the expired password i can't ssh
[22:32] <rharper> are you trying to ssh in as root ?
[22:33] <erick3k> yes
[22:34] <erick3k> i had to login throught the vm console and set the expired password
[22:35] <rharper> yeah; I've never set a root password or forced it to expire; I suspect there's something at play with sshd config with root
[22:37] <rharper> sorry I'm not more help here
[22:39] <erick3k> thanks for trying
[22:40] <rharper> http://askubuntu.com/questions/427153/change-expired-password-via-ssh
[22:40] <rharper> maybe not; -1 disables expiration
[22:56] <erick3k> quick question
[22:56] <erick3k> does the ubuntu user needs to exist for cloud-init to run?
[22:58] <rharper> no
[22:58] <rharper> but many modules expect there be a default non-root user
[22:58] <rharper> so, things like 'add ssh keys' only work if you use the default config (which supplies a non-root user for your distro type)
[23:02] <erick3k> is it safe to delete the ubuntu directory in /home?
[23:02] <erick3k> ubuntu home user directory
[23:03] <rharper> only affects the ubuntu user


[09:11] <jenda> beuno: there was a quiz yesterday! :)
[09:12] <jenda> beuno: which calls for the quiz section in the UWN again... when's the next UWN due?
[09:12] <jenda> beuno: it was hosted by theCore, Alexander Vassalotti and won by coNP, Aaron Sisak. I sponsored it, but coNP donated his prize towards the next quiz, so he's the sponsor.
[12:53] <rjian> hello everyone
[12:54] <Mike_Feravolo_> hello
[12:57] <rjian> wats new here
[12:59] <Mike_Feravolo_> I am not sure, I think something is going on in Oregon
[01:01] <rjian> really? an event hehe
[01:06] <Mike_Feravolo_> I guess it's a little to far for me to drive to.
[01:09] <rjian> even me coz im in php :)
[01:12] <Mike_Feravolo_> time to get out there and sell
[01:13] <Mike_Feravolo_> then i can get back to programming
[01:16] <rjian> heh
[10:51] <johnc4510> beuno: you around?
[10:51] <beuno> hey johnc4510
[10:52] <johnc4510> how come issue 49 not on fridge or rss feed?
[10:52] <johnc4510> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/uwn/feed/
[10:52] <beuno> ah
[10:52] <beuno> I forgot
[10:52] <johnc4510> np
[10:52] <beuno> that's why  :D
[10:53] <johnc4510> also
[10:53] <johnc4510> fridge events calendar only goes thru end of month
[10:53] <johnc4510> where can i get first of next month?
[10:56] <beuno> johnc4510: there's an arrow on top, in the same line where the month is
[10:56] <beuno> you can go through the months with that
[10:56] <johnc4510> k thanks     duh
[10:56] <johnc4510> :)
[10:57] <beuno> or you can use: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event/2007/07/24/list/all/all
[10:57] <beuno> np  :D
[10:57] <johnc4510> ty
[10:57] <johnc4510> oh, that link is nice
[10:57] <johnc4510> ty