[10:16] <geniek> How to format USB in Xubuntu?
[10:16] <diogenes_> open gparted
[10:17] <geniek> i dont have GParted app
[10:17] <diogenes_> install it
[10:18] <geniek> i cant install it now
[10:18] <geniek> Updates is installing
[10:18] <diogenes_> later then
[10:20] <geniek> How to login to freenode? (Create account)
[10:20] <Unit193> !register
[10:24] <geniek> WOW! I created my own server :) #GeniekServer
[10:25] <diogenes_> I think I know you
[10:26] <geniek> diogenes_, My server is now registered
[10:26] <Unit193> That's a channel, not a server.  Not really of any concern for this channel either.
[10:29] <geniek> Unit193, You're right. This is a channel
[10:30] <geniek> pls join
[10:30] <Unit193> No, and please don't advertise.
[10:31] <geniek> Unit193, Okay.
[10:31] <Unit193> Thanks.
[10:33] <geniek> Unit193, !register not work, /msg NickServ register <password> <E-Mail> works.
[10:34] <Unit193> That's a factoid to give you a link with instructions.
[10:34] <geniek> LOL
[10:38] <geniek> How to format USB without GParted?
[10:42] <geniek> Best channel support in the world (I hate this support)
[10:43] <geniek> iPhone 5C in 2017 is the good idea?
[10:44] <geniek> !exit
[10:45] <geniek> !kick pavlushka
[10:46] <bazhang> geniek, whats the problem
[10:47] <bazhang> this is xubuntu support only not chatter
[10:47] <geniek> !ban works?
[10:47] <bazhang> no
[10:48] <geniek> :(
[10:48] <bazhang> geniek, do you have am actual xubuntu support issue
[10:48] <geniek> !ban bazhang
[10:48] <bazhang> geniek, stop that
[10:48] <geniek> NOT WORK :(
[10:48] <bazhang> take the chatter elsewhere
[10:49] <geniek> jofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjh
[10:49] <geniek> nfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhj
[10:49] <geniek> vfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfb
[10:49] <geniek> ljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljbvhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvnjofbnlhhvfbljhfjnfhjhnfjhhcbvljb
[10:49] <geniek> vhfbfrvuhjvfjhuvnhvn                I NOW BANNED?
[10:49] <geniek> LOL! NO!
[10:49] <bazhang> please take the chatter somewhere else
[11:03] <genieq2> LOL
[11:03] <genieq2> IT WORK!
[11:22] <pavlushka> oh snapz, there was a seizure attack to some user
[19:36] <xubuntu75d> Hi there
[19:37] <xubuntu75d> Can someone help me please im having troubles with the resolution, im installing xubuntu on my old parents computer desktop but the resolution is stuck on 640x420 cant put more
[19:38] <diogenes_> xubuntu75d, run in terminal: xrandr
[19:39] <diogenes_> and tell me what's the highest resolution you see there
[19:39] <xubuntu75d> it gives me an erro
[19:39] <xubuntu75d> failed gamma size
[19:39] <diogenes_> is it a fresh install?
[19:40] <xubuntu75d> but if i install the xubuntu 14 it gives me lots of resolutions, yes it is a fresh install
[19:41] <diogenes_> what version on xubuntu you have installed now?
[19:41] <xubuntu75d> 16.04.3
[19:42] <diogenes_> do you still have the installation media? (usb/dvd)
[19:42] <xubuntu75d> yes
[19:42] <diogenes_> try to boot the installation media in live session and see if you get the correct resolution
[19:43] <xubuntu75d> only on all recent distros this happens
[19:44] <xubuntu75d> ive done somuch searching and i cant find a solution to my problem
[19:44] <xubuntu75d> its stuck on 640x420 resolution
[19:44] <diogenes_> why don't you wanna use 14?
[19:45] <xubuntu75d> because i wanna stay updated
[19:45] <diogenes_> newest versions don't support older hardware
[19:46] <xubuntu75d> there most bee a way
[19:46] <diogenes_> try in terminal: sudo ubuntu-drivers list
[19:46] <diogenes_> and see what you get
[19:48] <xubuntu75d> it just appears  intel- microcode
[19:49] <diogenes_> install it by: sudo apt install intel-microcod
[19:50] <xubuntu75d> will that solve the problem?
[19:50] <diogenes_> not sure, but worth trying
[19:51] <xubuntu75d> done
[19:51] <xubuntu75d> going to reboot it
[19:51] <diogenes_> reboot
[19:51] <xubuntu75d> w8 for it to start
[19:53] <xubuntu75d> dint work
[19:53] <xubuntu75d> aff
[19:53] <xubuntu75d> im going to install the 14
[19:53] <xubuntu75d> this is driving me ccrazy
[19:53] <xubuntu75d> thanks anyway man
[19:53] <diogenes_> ok
[19:53] <diogenes_> 14 is cool anyways
[19:57] <liviuc> join ##test
[22:40] <xubuntu34i> I keep having issues typing. everytime i try to type a new post into facebook the box automatically disappears and for some reason my cursor keeps jumping around the screen and messing up what i'm trying to type. any ideas?
[22:40] <xubuntu34i> i'm going to go for a drive. so if anyone is there to help, please pm me
[22:43] <xubuntu34i> it only happens when i'm trying to make a new post. not when i'm commenting or talking to friends. but for some reason when i'm using the messenger part it keeps erasing what i type if i get over somewhere around 20 words in the window


[21:04] <hatch> lazyPower: https://jujugui.wordpress.com/2015/03/19/juju-gui-1-3-4-not-so-sticky-release/
[21:26] <lazyPower> hatch: \o/
[21:26] <lazyPower> will read after dinner
[21:26] <lazyPower> (FIX) Bundle deploys no longer fail with invalid name error. <- ok so i lied. Best fix ever. have a puppy
[21:26] <lazyPower> https://www.care.com/img/cms/web/content/articlephotos/2012/08-aug/img-article-puppy-care-stages.jpg
[21:27] <hatch> lol


[00:15] <klarix> hello
[00:52] <user|12401> how to install on virtual box?
[05:02] <user|36858> I can't install Kubuntu. I have checked the install media with fsck.ext4 and verified the ISO
[05:03] <valorie> !md5
[05:03] <user|36858> X/KDE won't start and I get errors that say something like kmsserver has crashed
[05:03] <valorie> user|36858: the above is the way to check
[05:03] <user|36858> I verified the MD5
[05:03] <valorie> which version are you trying to install?
[05:04] <user|36858> Kubuntu 16.10
[05:04] <user|36858> 64bit
[05:04] <valorie> hmmm
[05:04] <user|36858> I'm going out on a limb and gonna say it has something to do with my ATI radeon card
[05:04] <valorie> I've installed that quite a few times
[05:04] <valorie> if you suspect that, you might try nomodeset
[05:04] <valorie> !nomodeset
[05:05] <valorie> that doesn't sound like what you are reporting, however
[05:05] <valorie> !info kmsserver
[05:06] <valorie> so not a package, but a process
[05:06] <user|36858> nomodeset is a boot parameter
[05:06] <valorie> !info ksmserver
[05:06] <user|36858> ?
[05:07] <valorie> I've seen a similar error before, but another boot always worked
[05:07] <valorie> did the live session work for you?
[05:07] <user|36858> I can't even get to the live session
[05:07] <valorie> hmmm
[05:07] <sintre> try the live media you used
[05:08] <sintre> again
[05:08] <user|36858> I'm trying a different USB drive
[05:08] <user|36858> does UEFI/Secure boot have anything to do with it?
[05:09] <sintre> what program and what os are you using to create this  install from?
[05:09] <sintre> what did you install to
[05:09] <sintre> not the media but the hdd
[05:09] <user|36858> Im using Linux Mint's default tool to write the image
[05:09] <sintre> new or older
[05:09] <user|36858> LM 18 Sarah
[05:10] <user|36858> I installed to a USB2.0 flash drive with an ext4 FS on it
[05:10] <user|36858> I ran fsck.ext4 to check the media and no errors were reported
[05:10] <sintre> ok if you have a system with uefi bios you need to had target fdrive to be using a gtp partition table
[05:10] <sintre> if older or mimicked you need to use ms/dos partition table
[05:11] <user|36858> I turned off SecureBoot/UEFI in the bios
[05:11] <sintre> ok then if you want legacy , then you need to install in megacy and the hdd/ssd needs to be ms/dohg
[05:11] <sintre> ms/dos sey
[05:12] <sintre> so you need to use a live cd/usb
[05:12] <sintre> then use kde partition manager
[05:12] <user|36858> so ext4 is wrong for the fdrive?
[05:12] <sintre> and change it to either or that you want
[05:12] <sintre> ext is fine
[05:12] <sintre> this is diffferent
[05:13] <sintre> this is the entire file table
[05:13] <sintre> not the partiton type
[05:14] <sintre> so first off choose if you want legacy oe efi
[05:14] <sintre> or efi
[05:14] <user|36858> what do you suggest?
[05:14] <sintre> then you create the correct partition table for that firmware
[05:14] <sintre> i've done both on same system
[05:14] <user|36858> In the 'DISK' program it says the partition is EFI
[05:14] <sintre> a budget notebook
[05:14] <sintre> ok then
[05:15] <sintre> fdisk -l ?
[05:15] <user|36858> EFI(FAT-12/16/32)
[05:15] <user|36858> ef EFI (FAT-12/16/32)
[05:15] <sintre> you need a ext 4 for kubuntu
[05:16] <sintre> or any linux for optimal but i guess it should run on ffat 32
[05:16] <user|36858> OK I think I have all that setup correctly
[05:16] <sintre> how you partition is up to you
[05:17] <sintre> ok so now we need to turn efi back on in bios
[05:17] <sintre> i would keep secure boot on
[05:17] <sintre> i mean off
[05:17] <sintre> so we can go thru this step by step
[05:17] <user|36858> ok... I turned on SB and am using "Windows UEFI mode"
[05:17] <sintre> i don' t know you pc
[05:18] <sintre> are you duel installing on same drive?
[05:18] <sintre> aka duel boot
[05:18] <user|36858> no. single boot Kubuntu
[05:18] <sintre> then where is the windows from?
[05:18] <user|36858> It's just what the option is called in the BIOS
[05:18] <sintre> ok then let it be if you wanr efi
[05:19] <sintre> i assume you have two pc's and your talking to one connected
[05:19] <sintre> sry just getting infp
[05:19] <sintre> o
[05:19] <user|36858> yea... im chatting on my laptop and im trying to setup Kubuntu on the desktop
[05:20] <sintre> k bios good to go get into live cd encirment again
[05:20] <sintre> envirmoment
[05:20] <sintre> keyboard works user has bad spelling habbits sry :)
[05:20] <sintre> but before new isntall make sure secure boot is turned off
[05:21] <sintre> and before next install attempt
[05:21] <sintre> need to delete all partitions one the drivr to be sure
[05:21] <user|36858> hahhahaha
[05:22] <user|36858> ok, just booted from usb
[05:22] <sintre> when in there tell me
[05:22] <user|36858> and im getting a kernel panic
[05:22] <sintre> what program do you make this live usb with
[05:23] <user|36858> USB image writer
[05:23] <user|36858> from Linux Mint 18 default install
[05:23] <sintre> can you download unetbootin
[05:23] <user|36858> yea
[05:23] <sintre> pls try that
[05:24] <sintre> it auto uses a efi bootloader
[05:24] <sintre> so sisne firmare is set to it that should work
[05:25] <sintre> before installing wipe the usb stick , just ahabbit i have :)
[05:26] <user|36858> should I use mkfs.ext4?
[05:26] <sintre> usb instlaller?
[05:26] <sintre> na fat 32 if fine when you write
[05:26] <user|36858> ok
[05:26] <sintre> the new iso to usb
[05:29] <user|36858> OK just wiped the drive
[05:29] <user|36858> now im going to install via unetbootin
[05:29] <sintre> ok now hold a sec
[05:30] <sintre> make sure you create new partition table
[05:31] <user|36858> msdos partition table?
[05:32] <sintre> no
[05:32] <sintre> other one gtp or gpt
[05:32] <sintre> goofy acronyms irritating me tonight :)
[05:33] <[Relic]> eat more alphabet soup
[05:33] <user|36858> done... I used gparted to create gpt partition table and allocated a new fat32 fs
[05:33] <sintre> then afterwards go ahead and use all unused allot all space as a ext4 partition
[05:33] <sintre> don't start install till you do that either just for safe reaosning
[05:34] <user|36858> done
[05:34] <sintre> [relic] hey reminds me i have some chef boi r d's ravioli cans in panty making me hungry
[05:34] <sintre> ok start install
[05:34] <sintre> it will probally give you a msg saying er other devices might not work , but continue
[05:34] <sintre> in uefi mode
[05:36] <user|36858> it's installing
[05:36] <valorie> nice!
[05:36] <valorie> how strange that the program used to burn the ISO onto the drive would make a difference
[05:37] <[Relic]> sintre, strange place to store ravioli
[05:37] <sintre> it comes in a can what am i gonna do put it in the freezer
[05:37] <sintre> it says good till 20123
[05:37] <sintre> so figure its safe :)
[05:38] <[Relic]> kinda thinking maybe on a shelf would be a nice place to store it
[05:38] <sintre> my rent is cheap got make do lol
[05:39] <[Relic]> hope it ain't in the ones you are wearing  :)
[05:39] <sintre> oh crap i've drank to much i didn't see my own typo lol
[05:39]  * sintre has pie on face
[05:39] <user|36858> ok...finished installing.....booting desktop in 3..2..1....
[05:40] <sintre> gj user
[05:40] <sintre> now we get to upgrading
[05:41] <sintre> lol now it logged i store my ravioli in my panty
[05:42] <user|36858> weird...when I boot from the USB it says: Missing operating system
[05:42] <sintre> you boot from hdd now
[05:43] <user|36858> i dont have an os installed on the HDD/SDD
[05:43] <sintre> om what?
[05:44] <user|36858> this is a fresh install of Kubuntu
[05:44] <user|36858> from USB drive
[05:44] <user|36858> sorry. i though that was clear
[05:44] <sintre> ok well now you are , so you want a usb stick install of ubuntu and not a real installtion to a internal hdd?
[05:45] <user|36858> i want to install to the HDD, but I cant even boot into the live session from usb
[05:45] <sintre> um didn't you just do that?
[05:46] <user|36858> no...i installed the live cd to the usb to boot from
[05:46] <sintre> yes and you said it was installing
[05:46] <sintre> or were you refering to the program unetbooting putting it on the stick
[05:46] <user|36858> THe live session installed to the stick with unetbootin
[05:47] <sintre> yes
[05:47] <sintre> no the installion iso , creates the live session once booted from it
[05:48] <user|36858> yea, but when i try to boot from the stick. it says os missing
[05:49] <sintre> ok not sure where this chain broke down but all i can think is to back track
[05:49] <sintre> unetbooting , this linux or windows that you used to make the stick
[05:49] <[Relic]> ufei and tried to boot not in ufei(sp?)
[05:50] <sintre> also check bios and see if its in uefi mode
[05:50] <user|36858> My laptop is linux
[05:51] <user|36858> i used linux to make the stick
[05:51] <sintre> linux very broad term
[05:51] <sintre> what distro is your laptop
[05:51] <user|36858> LM18
[05:52] <sintre> check bios on desktop
[05:52] <user|36858> bios is in UEFI mode
[05:52] <sintre> what is you one time boot menu
[05:52] <sintre> hot key
[05:52] <user|36858> del or F2
[05:53] <sintre> on desktop
[05:53] <sintre> go find it
[05:53] <user|36858> then  I select my USB drive
[05:53] <sintre> see if it reconise the stick
[05:53] <user|36858> yes the bios recognizes the stick
[05:54] <sintre> and one you select it it says can't see os
[05:54] <sintre> meaning something is wrong with the install to the stick
[05:55] <sintre> i hope for your sake that is
[05:55] <user|36858> i hope so too
[05:55] <sintre> so take stick back to lappy ,
[05:56] <user|36858> done
[05:56] <sintre> this time go ahead and format the thing to gtp
[05:56] <user|36858> Im using a different stick
[05:56] <user|36858> i formatted to gpt and using ext4
[05:56] <user|36858> on the stick
[05:56] <sintre> tthen fat32 again
[05:58] <user|36858> ok
[05:58] <user|36858> done
[05:59] <sintre> now use unetbooting with iso again
[05:59] <sintre> also what iso are you using newest or lts
[06:01] <user|36858> newest
[06:01] <user|36858> 16.10
[06:02] <sintre> k np either way , just as much info the better
[06:02] <sintre> if they is round doesn't work  :)
[06:02] <sintre> this
[06:05] <user|36858> so does unetbootin unzip the iso to the usb drive?
[06:05] <user|36858> and make it bootable?
[06:05] <sintre> is it in a zip file?
[06:05] <sintre> no
[06:05] <user|36858> uncompress?
[06:05] <user|36858> no its an iso
[06:05] <sintre> de compress it so the iso can be used
[06:05] <sintre> yes lol
[06:06] <sintre> it will use contents of the iso
[06:06] <sintre> thats its job
[06:07] <user|36858> is their a way to verify the iso was written to the stick correctly?
[06:07] <user|36858> when i run fdisk -l  I get: Disklabel type: gpt
[06:07] <sintre> in unnetbootin not that i'm i'm aware of
[06:08] <sintre> but can check iso itself
[06:08] <user|36858> when I open the usb drive, I have a boot folder and efi folder
[06:08] <sintre> good
[06:08] <sintre> go to desktop with stick
[06:08] <user|36858> casper....etc
[06:08] <sintre> see if it boots
[06:09] <user|36858> Missing operating system?
[06:10] <user|36858> what am i doing wrong
[06:10] <sintre> again?
[06:10] <user|36858> yea
[06:10] <sintre> well honestly i don't know
[06:10] <sintre> i've had this problem myself a couple months and , i went thru everystep i missed myself
[06:11] <sintre> newer budget notebook to replace a fried laptop
[06:11] <sintre> reinstalled like 5 times , [ having a ssd] helps
[06:12] <sintre> once i figured out the new firmware compatability issues
[06:12] <sintre> so it aint over yet
[06:12] <sintre> do you have a blank dvd you wouldn't mind using?
[06:12] <sintre> we can elimate the prograsm middle man
[06:12] <user|36858> my xps doesn't have a dvd drive :(
[06:13] <sintre> ok plan b out then
[06:14] <user|36858> does the live cd load graphics drivers?
[06:14] <sintre> yes it should load
[06:14] <user|36858> im going to try nomodeset
[06:14] <sintre> ok this might sound a bit crazy
[06:14] <valorie> dd always works imo
[06:14] <sintre> but can you turn your current laptop off
[06:14] <valorie> you have to be very sure to do it correctly
[06:14] <valorie> !dd
[06:15] <sintre> and try to boot from the stick
[06:15] <valorie> oh pfff
[06:15] <user|36858> welcome back valorie :)
[06:15] <valorie> !info dd
[06:15] <valorie> thanks
[06:15] <valorie> oh my gosh it does too
[06:16] <user|36858> so Linux Mints tool creates a bootable stick
[06:16] <sintre> yes
[06:16] <user|36858> not sure why unetbootin doesnt
[06:17] <sintre> try that , but check to see if its efi
[06:17] <valorie> !info fileutils
[06:17] <user|36858> im in the boot menu. how do i set nomodeset
[06:17] <valorie> !nomodeset
[06:18] <valorie> also I found https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DriveImaging
[06:19] <user|36858> ok, reading the post. BRB
[06:19] <sintre> his error msg seems to simply say no os found , not sure if its gfx or the creation of the live usb
[06:20] <valorie> sounds like the ISO is not being correctly written for one reason or another
[06:20] <valorie> all those apps used to be so easy
[06:21] <valorie> now they fail so often
[06:21] <sintre> i don't use his mint distro
[06:21] <sintre> so maybe he can try his integrated tool
[06:22] <valorie> he did, and that failed
[06:22] <valorie> and it seems so did unetbootin
[06:22] <sintre> :(
[06:22] <valorie> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[06:22] <sintre> he doesn't have a dvd either
[06:22] <valorie> the kubuntu ISO burner used to fail as well, but it's been working for me without fail for the past year
[06:23] <valorie> if he doesn't have kubuntu though, he can't use that
[06:23] <sintre> its work the start up disk creator but in 16.04 atleast still has goodfy bug at start up
[06:23] <sintre> gotta trick it to let you use it
[06:23] <user|36858> so i hit F6 and selcted nomodeset
[06:23] <user|36858> and I can finally boot into kubuntu
[06:23] <user|36858> :):):):):)
[06:24] <user|36858> :)
[06:24] <sintre> ok thank god
[06:24] <valorie> very cool!
[06:24] <sintre> now lets get you online and updated
[06:24] <user|36858> kwin is unstable
[06:24] <user|36858> kwin closed unexpectedly
[06:24] <sintre> just keep going
[06:25] <sintre> hardwired or wifi?
[06:25] <user|36858> hardwired
[06:25] <sintre> online?
[06:25] <user|36858> i cant tell
[06:25] <user|36858> kwin closed
[06:25] <user|36858> multiple dialogs
[06:26] <user|36858> system froze
[06:26] <sintre> ok this is turning into a war of sorts :)
[06:27] <user|36858> I think it's the graphics
[06:27] <sintre> i had some stability issues myself with 16.10
[06:27] <sintre> but others none to be reported
[06:28] <user|36858> Im thinking about pulling the amd gpu and letting it use intel grpaphics
[06:28] <sintre> well might be a good start
[06:28] <sintre> then we can trouble shoot gfx later ewith other card
[06:29] <sintre> if its a card and all it costs if a few minutes
[06:30] <valorie> user|36858: what version of Kubuntu are you using?
[06:31] <user|36858> on the usb drive  I have 16.10 iso image installed
[06:31] <user|36858> on my laptop I have Linux Mint 18 cinnamon installed
[06:31] <valorie> and kwin is unstable for you on both?
[06:32] <valorie> btw we do not do Mint support here
[06:32] <user|36858> only on the live cd on the desktop
[06:32] <valorie> ok
[06:32] <sintre> his laptop is mint , he's installing to a second pc kubuntu or trying
[06:32] <user|36858> im not having issues with my laptop. just the live cd and the desktop
[06:32] <user|36858> what sintre said
[06:32] <valorie> sorry, I lost the thread of the conversation
[06:32]  * valorie butts out
[06:34] <user|36858> im pulling the gpu out
[06:34] <user|36858> brb
[06:34] <sintre> k
[06:40] <user|36858> kernel panic :(
[06:40] <user|36858> with intel graphics
[06:40] <user|36858> :(
[06:40] <sintre> ok in bios you did turn secure boot off correct?
[06:40] <sintre> and fast boot or ready boot
[06:40] <user|36858> ummmmm
[06:41] <user|36858> lemme check
[06:41] <user|36858> Ill get back to you in a sec
[06:48] <user|36858> secure boot off
[06:48] <user|36858> and fast boot disabled
[06:49] <sintre> ok that new changes or were the settings like that
[06:49] <sintre> i assume the former
[06:49] <user|36858> fastboot was already off
[06:49] <sintre> secure?
[06:49] <user|36858> im still getting a kernel panic
[06:50] <user|36858> secure boot i just turned offf
[06:50] <sintre> ok , does your desktop have the ability to burn a dvd
[06:50] <user|36858> yea
[06:50] <user|36858> but im pretty sure i dont have any dvds
[06:51] <user|36858> lets debug a kernel panic
[06:51] <sintre> ok well that would be my plan E at this point
[06:51] <user|36858> that would be fun ;)
[06:51] <sintre> is to try a different live cd reg ubuntu or something
[06:51] <user|36858> ok. Ill give that a go tomorroq
[06:51] <sintre> or mint , then burn to a dvd a iso raw
[06:51] <user|36858> I appreciate all your help sintre
[06:51] <sintre> instead of relying on a middle man program
[06:52] <sintre> no i want this resolved as much as you do
[06:52] <user|36858> I do too
[06:52] <sintre> at this point i think we've come at it from every angle possible
[06:52] <hateball> have you tried with nomodeset
[06:52] <user|36858> the desktop is my main machine
[06:52] <user|36858> not yet
[06:52] <sintre> alot of the iso- usb programs fail on us alot like valorie mentioned ealier
[06:53] <sintre> i remembered upgrading my ssd firmare and no program i could get toboot
[06:53] <hateball> you only need dd anyhow, there's no need for special programs to make your liveboot
[06:53] <sintre> i dug out an old box and found some blank cdz
[06:53] <sintre> and whoot it booted and updated my drive
[06:54] <valorie> dd is slow, but it works
[06:54] <hateball> it's only slow if you dont pass proper parameters to it :p
[06:54] <hateball> as the defaults are terrible in 2017
[06:54] <valorie> just be careful about getting source and destination correct
[06:54] <hateball> "sudo dd bs=8M status=progress if=kubuntu-16.10-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdb"
[06:56] <user|36858> so i tried nomodeset withe intel graphics and im still getting a kernel panic
[06:56] <sintre> ok plan k
[06:57] <sintre> redownload a lts version of kubuntu
[06:57] <viewer|84669> Hello Kubuntu users, could you please help me with simple question? I'm going to install a new release of Kubuntu, but I have a dilemma.
[06:57] <sintre> 16.04 , we can upgrade it later
[06:57] <sintre> same drill lol
[06:57] <user|36858> ok...
[06:58] <user|36858> downloading torrent
[06:58] <viewer|84669> If I install 16.10 (current non-LTS) will it be possible to upgrade to LTS version in the future?
[06:58] <valorie> certainly
[06:58] <hateball> viewer|84669: yes, 18.04. but you will need to keep upgrading every 6-9 months to not go EOL until that
[06:59] <valorie> however the next LTS is not for over a year
[06:59] <valorie> 16.04, then 18.04
[06:59] <valorie> our next release is 17.04, in April
[06:59]  * valorie is already running that
[07:00] <viewer|84669> ok, so until July I need to keep upgrading it (as 9 months of support from release date) and when next LTS release is avaliable I can simply "jump" to it? right?
[07:01] <sintre> view> many upgrade options
[07:01] <sintre> if you want
[07:01] <sintre> or none and just lil bug fixes if you choose
[07:01] <hateball> viewer|84669: 18.04 will be the same type of update as the ones before it, it just gives you the option of sitting still there for 2 years
[07:02] <hateball> that said, you can do !eolupgrade but it's not really a nice option if you can instead keep your machine updated and secure instead
[07:02] <hateball> bonus points for extra instead, me
[07:02] <viewer|84669> so I can upgrade to 18.04 but not to 17.04? do I understand it correctly?
[07:03] <hateball> viewer|84669: from 16.04 you can jump straight to 18.04 when it is out
[07:03] <hateball> viewer|84669: from 16.04 or 16.10 you can jump to the next release, so 16.04 -> 16.10 -> 17.04 -> 17.10 -> 18.04
[07:03] <valorie> well, a month or so after release
[07:04] <valorie> the first bugfix
[07:04] <hateball> Well yeah, first point-release
[07:04] <viewer|84669> great so also 17.04 which will be sooner
[07:04] <hateball> for LTS-upgrades that is
[07:04] <viewer|84669> thank you for explanation
[07:04] <hateball> For a desktop, I personally wouldnt use LTS. Just ends up having to use PPAs and such to keep up at the end of the cycle
[07:05] <hateball> But I guess it all depends what and how you use your machine
[07:05] <viewer|84669> yes, this is desktop/laptop
[07:05] <viewer|84669> for software developement, so I will go for the latest one then
[07:06] <[Relic]> wonder if changing the dm would get me my two independent screens, still can't figure out what is failing
[07:06] <viewer|84669> thank you, time to say good bye to Mint :)
[07:06] <user|36858> writing 16.04 to the usb
[07:06] <sintre> [Relic] kde developers not concerned with duel monitors support atm is what is
[07:07] <sintre> ok had to be a lil smart mouth there but i think its try
[07:07] <hateball> [Relic]: which version are you using?
[07:07] <[Relic]> 16.10 with backports
[07:07] <hateball> sintre: and that's quite untrue, #plasma is doing multimonitor fixing daily
[07:07] <hateball> [Relic]: hmm, has 5.8.4 landed in 16.10 backports yet?
[07:08] <hateball> it's in 16.04 backports anyhows, multimonitor works quite well for me now
[07:08] <sintre> user36> tell me when done
[07:08] <[Relic]> says plasma 5.8.4, frameworks 5.28, qt 5.6.1 kernel 4.8.0-32-generic
[07:09] <valorie> sintre: that's not true
[07:09] <valorie> that capability comes from Qt
[07:09] <hateball> [Relic]: cant be much more up to date then atm. what exactly is your issue?
[07:09] <valorie> and we've not been able to get up-to-date Qt because of Ubuntu's own process
[07:09] <valorie> especially their phone support
[07:10] <[Relic]> my exact issue is getting two screens that work independently as if they were both kde sessions
[07:10] <valorie> however, we should be able to upgrade soon
[07:10] <valorie> [Relic]: not sure about that
[07:10] <valorie> you'll have to check with the Qt devels about that
[07:10] <sintre> my issue is i can't get two screens to run infified aka clone mode with correct reolsutions in the monitors
[07:10] <[Relic]> up to 14.10 I would simply run nvidia settings and set 2 xscreens and reboot with the new xorg
[07:10] <valorie> *maybe* in #kde
[07:10] <sintre> so make duel screens useless
[07:10] <valorie> so you've said
[07:11] <[Relic]> now if I use nvidia settings I technically get 2 screens but, any right click on the second pops up a box on the first
[07:12] <hateball> [Relic]: so you dont want two monitors in the same session, you want 1 session on each?
[07:12] <hateball> or am I not reading this correct
[07:14] <[Relic]> I think so.  Basically up to 14.10 it was that each monitor had its own plasma/taskbar/etc though I accessed both through the same keyboard/mouse each had a set of virtual desktops so I could leave say IRC open on one screen and flip through any of the virtual desktops on the second screen
[07:15] <hateball> umm... so you *do* want to use both monitors in the same session?
[07:16] <hateball> just have the panels act independently?
[07:16] <[Relic]> think that is pretty much what it is
[07:17] <hateball> [Relic]: can you check in kscreen that monitors are alongside each other and not on top (clone)?
[07:17] <[Relic]> I don't want 2 screens = one big monitor; one screen one monitor
[07:17] <user|36858> sintre
[07:17] <sintre> user
[07:17] <user|36858> done and booting into the live session
[07:17] <sintre> it worked on desktop?
[07:18] <hateball> [Relic]: and then you can rightclick your panel/activity plasmoid and go into settings. tell it to only show stuff from Current Screen
[07:18] <[Relic]> if I try tampering with xorg settings, xrandr/kscreen can't find the 2nd monitor at all
[07:18] <user|36858> im getting kded5 closed
[07:19] <sintre> user36> so did it even boot into kubntu
[07:19] <user|36858> it booted into kubuntu for a second
[07:20] <[Relic]> hateball, I'd have to put in the xorg info again and restart; to check that but since I already know when I do that randr/kscreen only finds one monitor, there is no second monitor to move around in kscreen
[07:21] <sintre> ok plan L user > use native mint iso maker
[07:21] <hateball> [Relic]: why would you need to touch xorg.conf? should work fine unless you need special options
[07:21] <sintre> for the usb stick and stich your boot config back to legacy
[07:21] <hateball> [Relic]: that is, using nvidia-settings just for your user
[07:22] <hateball> [Relic]: could be that only one screen works in sddm unless it's defined globally but iirc should work fine once you log in to your session and the nvidiarc gets read
[07:22] <hateball> I don't have a multimonitor nvidia-setup handy currently
[07:23] <[Relic]> two make 2 xscreens with nvidia-settings you need to save the info, doesn't like to apply all the changes necessary if you try just apply
[07:33] <sintre> user|36858  > Are you till around?
[07:38] <[Relic]> hateball, was trying to figure out if switching to lightDM might let me find out if it is just sddm weirdness
[07:41] <hateball> [Relic]: well sddm has nothing to do with things once you're in Plasma
[07:41] <hateball> panels etc
[07:42] <[Relic]> not sure what to look at to see if I can find a reason
[07:53] <[Relic]> night all, will try again tomorrow to figure this out
[07:54] <sintre> Well sleep time for me , user|36858  if you come back around best bet is to grab some blank dvds and burn an iso imo .have a good night , night to |Relic| as well
[07:54] <sintre> been a long one happy new year to all one last time :)
[07:54] <[Relic]> and put that ravioli somewhere else  :)
[07:55] <sintre> lol i'll never live down that typo , i'll just have to beat it hehe
[08:03] <sudhirkhanger> On a new 16.04 system I notice that main, universe, restricted, and multiverse are all enabled by default. Also important security, recommended, and unsupported updates are also enabled by default. Are those correct defaults?
[08:05] <valorie> sudhirkhanger: yes
[08:05]  * valorie goes to bed as wll
[08:06] <valorie> well
[08:09] <sudhirkhanger> :) thanks.
[08:09] <sudhirkhanger> I couldn't find the difference between multiverse/restricted and Canonical partners.
[08:09] <sudhirkhanger> They sound pretty much about the same.
[11:42] <hay207> Hi, can i reset my password with only my email ? , can't remember my username
[11:43] <hateball> hay207: ... for what?
[11:43] <hay207> on kde identity
[11:43] <hateball> hay207: probably better off asking in #kde
[11:43] <hay207> Ok
[13:26] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:28] <nathan> hello
[14:39] <yotux> Looking for software to manage podcast anyone have some feedback
[16:19] <bangolio> hi, I'm trying to install kubuntu and the installer keeps crashing at the same point, looked it up, looks like a known bug with not much information, I'm pretty sure I am missing something, it can't be that I just can't install, right? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1650767
[16:20] <genii> Use a supported Kubuntu and not the development version
[16:22] <bangolio> 16.10 is not supported?
[16:23] <acheronuk> the bug you linked to is for the 17.04 daily development iso
[16:25] <bangolio> sorry, wrong bug then, I am on 16.10, it looks very similar (error msg and such)
[16:26] <bangolio> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1647363
[16:34] <bangolio> can anyone please help me?
[16:35] <[Relic]> install 16.04 and upgrade
[16:35] <[Relic]> for some reason 16.10 kept crapping out during install so that is what I did
[16:40] <[Relic]> and if you go 16.04 to 16.10 route then you might need to get the dist upgrade package when ready to do that
[16:41] <bangolio> I'm just baffled, I've installed 16.10 multiple times in the last 2-3 months on this same hardware with the same USB stick & ISO file
[16:42] <bangolio> I fear 16.04 might not work either
[16:42] <bangolio> since the problem is probably on my end
[16:42] <BluesKaj> bangolio, , make sure you have the latest 16.10 iso, some of the earlier images would crash due to bug in ubiquity, the latest iso worked fine on my pc
[16:43] <sintre> was in here 3 hours last night with another install , that was a head scratcher , seems our new years treat here
[16:47] <bangolio> I do, downloaded today, checked md5 and it matched the one I was using
[16:47] <bangolio> I've put it on the USB again, boots fine to live,
[16:48] <bangolio> connects to wifi and after I choose whether to install packages from repo + 3rd party stuff it crashes
[16:48] <sintre> i had a similar problem with 16.10 iso on my new budget notebook
[16:49] <sintre> plsma crashes mostly but installer wouldn't make it thru till the end without crashing half the time
[16:49] <sintre> wasn't at that specific place though
[16:49] <sintre> 16.04 worked for me
[16:50] <BluesKaj> bangolio, then don't DL the 3rd party apps, wait til after the install
[16:50] <bangolio> tried that
[16:55] <BluesKaj> make sure your wifi connection isn't glitchy as well
[17:03] <BluesKaj> I usually, but not always, connect via ethernet on the laptop to install an OS, altho my wifi here is quite stable
[17:04] <bangolio> I tried with and without connecting to wifi
[17:04] <sintre> i'd not download updates , only third party stuff
[17:05] <BluesKaj> bangolio, what about your target partition , is it set up correctly? I have to ask
[17:05] <bangolio> I've tried every possible combination of options
[17:05] <bangolio> including skipping any extra packages (3rd party or not)
[19:14] <user|36858> is their a non graphical installer for kubuntu
[19:15] <sintre> user
[19:15] <sintre> same from last night?
[19:15] <user|36858> Hi sintre
[19:15] <user|36858> yup
[19:15] <sintre> i owe you an apology ten fold
[19:15] <user|36858> no worries.
[19:15] <sintre> i know where i screwed up and super sry wanna fix it
[19:15] <user|36858> ...?
[19:15] <sintre> the insaller live from unetbootin needs msdos partition
[19:16] <sintre> for the usb stick
[19:16] <sintre> i just tested it this morning
[19:16] <sintre> then we fix target hdd in system sry about that
[19:16] <sintre> i didn't think it would be a differece
[19:16] <user|36858> I already tried the msdos partition table
[19:16] <sintre> i recreated same problem with me uefi system
[19:17] <user|36858> i read the uefi blog on ubuntu forums.
[19:17] <sintre> so you up and running
[19:17] <sintre> ?
[19:17] <user|36858> i disabled fastboot, and put bios mode in legacy
[19:17] <user|36858> no...installer is still crashing
[19:17] <user|36858> with segfaults in kwin
[19:17] <sintre> ok back to efi  turn thos bios settings back on
[19:17] <sintre> , except for secure for now
[19:18] <sintre> make sure install media usb is msdos partition and use netbootin
[19:18] <user|36858> I use gparted to set the prtition table
[19:18] <sintre> good
[19:19] <sintre> using 16.10 or 16.04
[19:19] <user|36858> i have both downloaded
[19:19] <user|36858> Both installers are crashing
[19:19] <sintre> try 16.04 in efi
[19:20] <sintre> did you atgleeast get to a live enviroment?
[19:20] <user|36858> so turn on fastboot and do bios mode in EFI?
[19:20] <sintre> yes
[19:20] <sintre> as long as usb stick has msdos partitoon now
[19:20] <sintre> then when we get to a live enviroment , we need to work on your target installation drive
[19:21] <sintre> before using installer
[19:32] <BluesKaj> user|36858,  if you're using UEFI it's best to keep the GPT table and install grub to the UEFI boot partition, to preserve any future needs for dual booting with windows 8-10
[19:33] <user|36858> SInce the installers GUI crashes, do i work on it via commnd line
[19:33] <sintre> is the taget drive turned to a gtp partiion
[19:34] <sintre> i mean file system
[19:34] <sintre> you can use kde parition manager to do it
[19:34] <sintre> then for safe side just make the disk a ext4 , then run installer
[19:35] <BluesKaj> gpt is a pertition table , not a partition
[19:35] <sintre> i corrected myself
[19:37] <BluesKaj> user|36858, if you plan on using linux exclusively then using bios mode amd a msdos partition table will work ...the uefi/bios has to be in legacy mode on most machines
[19:38] <BluesKaj> amd=and
[19:39] <user|36858> So this is what I did. I use gparted to set the partition table to msdos, I have  fat32 fs on the stick. Then I use unetbootin from the ppa to burn the iso.
[19:40] <sintre> can you get into a live enviroment
[19:40] <sintre> end instal efi or msdos the usb needs to be msdos , wierd but tested that myself this morning
[19:41] <user|36858> I have bios setup to efi mode and fastboot enabled and I keep getting 'missing operating system'
[19:41] <sintre> once in the live enviroment you need to figure out what to do with your target install drive
[19:41] <sintre> efi gpt table legac clone mode msdos
[19:42] <sintre> use one time boot menu
[19:42] <sintre> might as well turn fast boot off
[19:42] <sintre> i always normally have a few seconds at start up to hit f12 on my machine even with it enabled
[19:43] <BluesKaj> in the uefi/bios use legacy mode, turn off "fast boot" if so equipped, some machines also need secure boot disabled too, user|36858
[20:08] <user|36858> installer keeps crashing :|
[20:08] <sintre> ok did you get the target drive rdy for what type of install you want?
[20:08] <sintre> uefi or legacy?
[20:08] <user|36858> yes
[20:09] <user|36858> uefi
[20:09] <sintre> ok and that matches bis set up corfrect?
[20:09] <sintre> so bios set to legacy as well
[20:09] <sintre> i mena uefi
[20:09] <user|36858> yes
[20:09] <sintre> and drive is gtp
[20:09] <sintre> with a partion of ext before using installer?
[20:10] <sintre> ext4
[20:10] <sintre> using 16.10 or 16.04
[20:10] <sintre> ?
[20:11] <user|36858> yes, gpt wth ext4 fs and 16.10
[20:11] <sintre> make a new one with 16.04
[20:11] <sintre> i also had alot of crashing issues with 16.10 installer
[20:11] <sintre> after installed an dupdated you can upgrade to newer distro from terminal
[20:12] <user|36858> 16.04 crashes as well... but ill try again
[20:19] <user|36858> sintre: I can get to the splash screen but then everything crashes
[20:20] <sintre> honestly i'm out of ideas
[20:20] <user|36858> I have a black screen and dialog boxes
[20:20] <user|36858> yea.... its weird. I had LM18 installed without problems
[20:20] <user|36858> last week
[20:21] <user|36858> is their  a non gui installer?
[20:21] <sintre> ok , i'd try same route with a regular ubuntu image
[20:21] <sintre> see if it has same affect, if it doesn't then something is up with the installer and your hardware
[20:21] <sintre> in kubuntu image
[20:21] <sintre> this is temp for testing
[20:22] <user|36858> I already tried multiple distros
[20:22] <sintre> not recomending reg ubuntu long term :)
[20:22] <sintre> same problem?
[20:22] <user|36858> installer always crashes
[20:22] <user|36858> I thought it was the grapchis car
[20:22] <sintre> well there is some hardware compatability issue somewhere
[20:22] <user|36858> card
[20:22] <sintre> do you have a different hdd you can throw in there
[20:22] <sintre> that may be culprit
[20:23] <user|36858> i tried memtest... no errors
[20:23] <sintre> doesn't matter
[20:23] <user|36858> i have multiple hdd's and one ssd
[20:23] <sintre> i've had failed hard dtives that pass tests before
[20:23] <sintre> ok now were got some info
[20:23] <sintre> i'd disconnect all but one that you want to install to
[20:23] <sintre> if they're currently in desktop
[20:24] <sintre> this if of course if you want to continue
[20:24] <sintre> with this quest of sorts
[20:24] <sintre> only thing i can think of
[20:24] <user|36858> well I NEED to install something :?
[20:24] <user|36858> im going to disconnect all drives besides the ssd
[20:25] <sintre> ok sounds like a pan :)
[20:25] <user|36858> but doesnt the installer run in RAM?
[20:25] <sintre> live image does yes
[20:25] <sintre> i don't get this either
[20:25] <sintre> only thing we can do now is throw stuff at the wall and hope it works
[20:26] <sintre> if all other distros have same problem
[20:26] <sintre> and you have a dead box atm
[20:26] <sintre> nothing to lose right?
[20:29] <user|36858> i give up
[20:29] <user|36858> :(
[20:29] <sintre> :( sry man
[20:30] <sintre> well worst advice is , use one of the win10 loops holes
[20:30] <user|36858> gonna give it a rest for now
[20:30] <sintre> and download that see if it works
[20:31] <BluesKaj> make sure the drive you want is first in the boot sequence in your efi/bios, user|36858
[20:31] <sintre> he can't get any installer to complete
[20:31] <sintre> :(
[20:31] <sintre> even on other distros
[20:32] <sintre> so somewhere a hardware issue i believe
[20:32] <user|36858> Pulled out all of one stick of ram and installer is stable
[20:32] <user|36858> I mean I only left one stick of ram
[20:32] <sintre> um what light?
[20:33] <sintre> we may get an install?
[20:33] <user|36858> I have somewhat modern MB and it has dual channel
[20:33] <BluesKaj> like i said above , the installer has to be able to see the partition it's installing to , no matter which OPS
[20:33] <BluesKaj> OPS=OS
[20:33] <sintre> user> most use duel chanel or are capable of it
[20:33] <user|36858> SYSTEM IS STABLE
[20:33] <sintre> duel synch i think is tgtech term
[20:33] <user|36858> :0
[20:33] <sintre> ok so something up with ram
[20:34] <sintre> not playing nice with each other
[20:34] <sintre> , that for later now lets get you updated atleast
[20:34] <BluesKaj> gotta go...bbl
[20:34] <sintre> c ya blues
[20:34] <sintre> how much is on that one stick?
[20:36] <user|36858> 6gb
[20:36] <sintre> more than enough , sure a pain
[20:36] <sintre> not using others
[20:36] <sintre> but lets get you running while its working hehe
[20:36] <sintre> my new lappy came with 4 , aded another 4 gig stick , concerned myself it wouldn't play nice
[20:36] <sintre> so far i'm lucky
[20:37] <sintre> ut yea for normal stuff 6 gis easily enough to cover you
[20:37] <sintre> once updated , we can work on getting you gfx card working
[20:37] <user|36858> ok....here we go
[20:38]  * sintre prays it boots
[20:48] <user|36858> should I do full disk encryption or just the home directory?
[20:48] <sintre> i'd just get it up atp
[20:49] <user|36858> I want / on ssd and /home on the hdd
[20:49] <sintre> not sure never sintalled ot multiple drives
[20:50] <sintre> maybe take a breather , sure there are guides
[20:50] <sintre> i'd personnally keep it on ssd , but i only have 1 hdd in all my computers
[20:50] <sintre> but at this point i wouldn't wanna try to make another problem to solve atm
[20:52] <sintre> well i should say ssd on all my computers
[20:53] <sintre> i'd kinda consider this a test install , until other stuff gets sorted out
[22:39] <Crashing> Hello guys, I been using Plasma (Kubuntu) but it keeps crashing for unknown reassons, I am not doing anything
[22:40] <Crashing> I am running live version now and it is still crashing time to time and relaunching the applications once again. The installer for the OS crashed just now also....
[22:44] <soee> what Plasma version ?
[22:47] <Crashing> plasmashell 5.5.5
[22:47] <Crashing> I am gonna try KDE Neon which have 5.8 and see if the same still happens, when I tried KDE Neon for half year ago I had the same problem
[23:02] <soee> Crashing: Kubuntu has Plasma 5.8
[23:02] <soee> add backports ppa and enjoy it :)
[23:03] <Crashing> Not accoriding to the LTS


[00:25] <jaso> Good day everyone! I’m seeking a little wisdom - would it be a terrible idea to just add Ubuntu studio without the desktop to an Ubuntu 18.04 Gnome install? Would I loose a ton?
[00:26] <OvenWerks> should work just fine
[00:27] <OvenWerks> the only thing you need to do is run ubuntustudio-controls to make sure you have "real time" permission.
[00:28] <OvenWerks> (means you can lock memeory and assign process priority)
[00:29] <jaso> I’ve seen this awesome
[00:30] <jaso> Thank you!! Getting ready to rebuild my rig with a bunch of Linux
[00:31] <jaso> Totally blew me away when my NI audio Kontrol 1 and akai mom 49 worked automatically! — things have come along way
[00:31] <OvenWerks> generally any USB device that works on a mac works with linux.
[00:32] <jaso> Amazing
[00:34] <jaso> I’ll probably head doe something pci soon — I need my synths to have as little latency as possible but we will see how she does with this
[00:35] <jaso> Thanks again!
[00:35] <OvenWerks> no problem


[00:09] <elky> AlanBell, they seem to find their own way there. many of them speak english with cyrillic rather than latin anyway. The lithuanians find their way there too afaik.
[04:21] <vibhav> According to my scedule , I will be absent in the next Asian reigonal board meeting , Is there any way I can apply for membership OFFLINE?
[04:21] <vibhav> Also the timings of other boards are far beyoond my reach
[04:28] <vibhav> Sorry for quitting
[04:28] <vibhav> Connection loss
[04:28] <vibhav> So?
[07:11] <pangolin> vibhav, you can wait until the next meeting if you are unable to attend.
[07:12] <vibhav> aww man
[07:12] <vibhav> what if i can use a bot?
[07:12] <vibhav> Get it authorized?
[07:13] <vibhav> sorry gotta go
[07:13] <Tm_T> vibhav: no bot can help you for the meeting
[07:18] <vibhav> Could I get somebody to represent myself?
[07:21] <Tm_T> no I don't think so
[07:22] <vibhav> :(
[07:28] <Vibhav> So?
[07:31] <Vibhav> sorry for frequent disconects
[07:32] <pleia2> Vibhav: email the mailing list linked on the meeting agenda page and they board will see what they can do for you
[07:33] <pleia2> but people will just wait until the next one if they can't attend one month
[07:38] <pangolin> How is a bot supposed to answer questions that will be asked?
[07:49] <pangolin> pleia2: is it normal  for an email to the membership board to be held?
[07:55] <pangolin> yes, yes it is.
[07:55]  * pangolin learns to read all the words on  wiki pages.
[13:14] <AlanBell> hi staff can we have an ubuntu/member/beuno cloak for beuno please
[13:18] <christel> yessir
[13:19] <christel> cloak set, AlanBell, beuno
[13:19] <jussi> ooh christel is doing cloaks! nice!
[13:19] <beuno> thank you christel!
[13:19] <christel> (after attempting to cloak bueno because my brain automagically attempted to "correct" your nick)
[13:19]  * christel tickles jussi
[13:19] <christel> beuno: np
[13:20] <k1l> "you are spelling your nick wrong" :)
[13:20] <jussi> christel: no baby still :/
[13:20] <christel> aw! slow baby is slow!
[13:20] <beuno> yes, whoever is bueno must get a lot of confusing messages
[13:21] <christel> jussi: how many days overdue? 3? -- he must be enjoying himself where he is currently :)
[13:21] <jussi> christel: he? Ive no idea what it is... how do you know? :D
[13:22] <christel> psychic!
[13:24] <christel> (i bet it will turn out to be a girl now)
[13:25] <k1l> because she is late? :)
[13:25] <christel> hehe because i am always wrong :(
[13:27] <Tm_T> jussi: my bet is it's a baby
[13:27] <Pici> :O
[13:28] <Tm_T> I would have bet something else, but I haven't had my afternoon coffee yet
[13:37] <Pici> Tm_T: a jawa?
[13:38] <Tm_T> (:)
[13:38] <jussi> nah, its a jabawokki
[13:38] <Pici> snicker-snack
[13:42] <christel> and jussi wanted a puppy :(
[13:48] <jussi> christel: nah, definately no puppies. more sheep though :D
[14:06] <christel> hehe
[14:37] <AlanBell> thanks christel
[14:38] <christel> pleasure
[15:34] <Tm_T> bueno
[21:35] <DJones> Who is the best person to mention a change needed on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot It mentions free recovery disks from Neosmart Technologies, looking at their website, they now make a $9 charge to cover the cost of licencing fees with MS
[21:37] <DJones> The link to the change is http://neosmart.net/blog/2009/windows-7-system-repair-discs/ with details of the licencing change at http://neosmart.net/blog/2011/windows-recovery-discs-updated-reinstated/
[21:49] <Myrtti> DJones: AFAIK that is pulled from the wiki to some degree, so check that the Wiki page is clean and then poke ... hum... documentation team?
[21:50] <DJones> Myrtti: I get the option to edit the page, but didn't want to change it in case it came from somewhere else, but just seems to be fixed text
[21:51] <DJones> plus with it being the help.ubuntu.com, I was working on the idea that it should be changed by somebody officially in case it needed documenting anywhere else, will have a look round anyway
[21:53] <DJones> Mentioned it in #ubuntu-doc anyway


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[09:00] <kanashiro[m]> tjaalton: could you please take a look at LP #1960449 ? There is a docker.io regression and we listed there some options to sort it out
[09:00] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 1960449 in runc (Ubuntu Bionic) "Backport container stack from Jammy" [Medium, Fix Committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1960449
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[09:15] <RikMills> sil2100: we good to upload?
[09:17] <RikMills> I guess 'Archive: Open' is self explanatory... ;)
[09:34] <LocutusOfBorg> auto sync off right?
[09:37] <doko> not yet enabled
[09:46] <LocutusOfBorg> ok lets publish perl?
[10:07] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: yes, do it
[10:08] <LocutusOfBorg> .
[10:14] <LocutusOfBorg> we should setup a tracker for it
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[10:32] <LocutusOfBorg> done, also ghc
[10:35] <LocutusOfBorg> level1 perl rebuilds ongoing
[10:44] <doko> LocutusOfBorg: sorry, it's not very productive to entangle python and perl transitions, as we have seen last year. I don't understand why you do this anyway despite yesterday's concerns
[10:48] <LocutusOfBorg> where are yesterday concerns?
[10:49] <LocutusOfBorg> opening archive before doing perl is source of many uninstallabilities...
[10:50] <LocutusOfBorg> we will have time at ubuntu summit to fixup perl and python? :)
[10:56] <ginggs> doko: that's my fault, i said LocutusOfBorg should go ahead.  my understanding is the current python transition is not blocking (i.e. python packages can migrate independently of python3-defaults)
[10:57] <LocutusOfBorg> ginggs, this is my understanding of python transition too, I don't see enangling packages
[10:57] <LocutusOfBorg> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/html/perl5.36.html
[10:57] <LocutusOfBorg> I don't see anything there...
[10:59] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: python3.11-add through cod-tools, exactimage, hamlib, hivex, jellyfish, lasso, libgetdata, libguestfs, libprelude, marisa, mecab, redland-bindings, remctl, rrdtool, subversion, uwsgi, xmms2
[11:01] <LocutusOfBorg> yes, and almost all of them already migrated
[11:01] <LocutusOfBorg> and others will be need some fix, or kick out
[11:03] <LocutusOfBorg> jellyfish libgetdata redland-bindings uwsgi xmms2 are the ones needing fixes
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[11:10] <LocutusOfBorg> schopin, libgit2 merge please? :)
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[11:13] <rbasak> arraybolt3: just responding to your ping about dkms. I think this is done now, right?
[11:13] <tjaalton> kanashiro[m]: okay
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[11:17] <tjaalton> RAOF: ^ I just realized the template is a bit incomplete as is, missing the regression risk part. koba will finish it soon so no reson to review this just yet :)
[11:20] <schopin> LocutusOfBorg: I'm OOO for a couple of weeks after today, so I won't get to it until then. The merge itself would probably be fairly straightforward, but it'll kick off a small transition
[11:20] <LocutusOfBorg> can I steal it?
[11:20] <schopin> Sure :)
[11:20] <RAOF> @tjaalton cool, thanks.
[11:20] <LocutusOfBorg> schopin, are you going at ubuntu summit?
[11:20] <RAOF> @tj
[11:21] <schopin> LocutusOfBorg: sadly no
[11:21] <RAOF> @tjaalton Ah, yeah. I was focusing on the test case which kinda implies the regression potential; thanks for double checking!
[11:22] <tjaalton> indeed, the test case is solid
[11:27] <LocutusOfBorg> sad
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[11:39] <ricotz> tjaalton, hello :), would you have time to take a look at libreoffice/jammy SRU? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1995054
[11:39] -ubottu:#ubuntu-release- Launchpad bug 1995054 in libreoffice (Ubuntu Jammy) "[SRU] libreoffice 7.3.7 for jammy" [High, In Progress]
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[13:04] <tjaalton> ricotz: there
[13:06] <ricotz> tjaalton, thank you very much
[13:16] <tjaalton> kanashiro[m]: okay, so what exactly were you asking me again? :)
[13:22] <kanashiro[m]> tjaalton: sorry, ahasenack helped me with that
[13:22] <tjaalton> kanashiro[m]: great
[13:23] <tjaalton> I mean, really :)
[13:23] <kanashiro[m]> thanks for taking a look :)
[13:24] <tjaalton> got interrupted for a few hours
[13:25] <kanashiro[m]> np
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[14:59] <utkarsh2102> ahasenack: hi! I was wondering if you could look at the google oslogin SRUs, please?
[14:59] <utkarsh2102> we need to get them in as soon as we can. No rush but still. :)
[15:00] <ahasenack> if it's a simple one, yes, I'm still "on probation" :)
[18:39] <arraybolt3> rbasak: Yes, it looks like DKMS is done. I think I may have just forgotten to refresh the page and didn't know it was done when I pinged you... But at any rate, yes, last I looked it was done.
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[07:18] <arif-ali> afaik, Ubuntu does not shop with Gnome 40, maybe 21.10 may do. However, there may be some apps that are from Gnome 40
[07:18] <arif-ali> o/
[08:41] <Myrtti> time of day
[08:51] <zxmpi> o/
[11:24]  * daftykins yawns
[11:24] <daftykins> woken up by the neighbour's 90s pop revival
[11:27] <zxmpi> so... karaoke tonight at 3am? :-P
[11:27] <daftykins> you're on!
[11:28]  * zxmpi goes looking for my klingon opera cd
[11:38] <daftykins> of course it'll sound much better on the Defiant
[11:57] <daftykins> i think i'm making progress with this employee with the ongoing trouble, although today she's sent me a screenshot showing her code had crashed... and i'm wondering if she's expecting my job to involve debugging her code as well xD
[12:17] <zxmpi> even better. you're supposed to be able to see the bug offscreen and fix that too :-)
[12:42] <daftykins> :D
[14:33] <daftykins> phew and another laptop spruced up and on its' way back to England for my pal's latest minion
[15:09] <daftykins> ooh my, this one just asked me if her neighbours working from home could impact her service... she's now got one of my essays to read
[15:12] <zxmpi> this netflix user is next door but this netflix user is on a different street cabinet :-P
[15:13] <daftykins> if the line checker stats about her 1.5km telephone line and truly terrible attainable speeds are accurate, plus the fact she's with TalkTalk... they also say there's no cabinet capacity in her area :O
[15:15] <daftykins> so yeah xDSL over 1.5km due to no FTTC
[15:15] <zxmpi> broadband poverty is a real thing
[15:16] <zxmpi> beautiful house, fantastic view, great commutes, sucky broadband
[15:16] <daftykins> yep, if the results are accurate to reality, a mobile broadband service would be a night and day improvement there
[15:17] <daftykins> even with LTE (4G)