  First time for about, erm, 25 years
[09:12] <willcooke> :(
[09:19] <seb128> willcooke, lucky you & not wise at the same time!
[09:19] <willcooke> :)
[09:24] <Nafallo> willcooke: what seb128 means is probably that you'll loose the wisdom teeth ;-)
[09:24] <willcooke> ha
[09:24] <Nafallo> morning channel btw. had coffee now :-P
[09:24] <willcooke> morning Nafallo
[09:39] <seb128> willcooke, btw that unity-control-center SRU got moved to updates after nagging yesterday (in case you didn't notice)
[09:44] <Nafallo> 17.04 → 17.10 → 18.04 on the go. first time in a long while I'm a bit... hesitant about dist-upgrades ;-)
[10:07] <oSoMoN> got my flights booked for FOSDEM, looking forward to it!
[10:07] <seb128> oSoMoN, wooot
[10:08] <oSoMoN> I'm kind of worried that https://fosdem.org/2018/beerevent/ returns a 404 though
[10:35] <willcooke> seb128, kenvandine - I've got a clash with the team meeting now, could one of you guys run it?  I'll forward the updates I have
[11:38] <Nafallo> seems update-manager -cd breaks in artful ;-)
[11:38] <Nafallo> /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/DistUpgrade/DistUpgradeFetcher.py:23: PyGIWarning: Gtk was imported without specifying a version first. Use gi.require_version('Gtk', '3.0') before import to ensure that the right version gets loaded.
[11:38] <Nafallo>   from gi.repository import Gtk, Gdk
[11:38] <Nafallo> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[12:39] <jibel> Nafallo, it's known
[12:39] <Nafallo> good, no bug needed then ;-)
[12:40] <Nafallo> hmm. if not that much have had a change yet perhaps it's worth doing an old-style upgrade? :-P
[12:40] <jibel> Nafallo, it happens under wayland
[12:40] <jibel> Nafallo, run xhost +si:localuser:root before running the command
[12:40] <jibel> Nafallo, it'll add root to the ACL
[12:42] <jibel> Nafallo, for reference it's bug 1732185
[12:42] <Nafallo> cheers, I'll try :-)
[12:42] <Nafallo> I suppose changing + to - after will remove it again?
[12:43] <seb128> willcooke, I can do
[12:43] <jibel> Nafallo, yes but after a release upgrade you'll usually reboot and it'll reset the acl
[12:44] <Nafallo> ah. it's not a permanent change. I see :-)
[12:44] <seb128> jibel, wouldn't it be simpler to set GDK_BACKEND=x11 to have those using xwayland rather than poking a security hole through like that?
[12:48] <jibel> seb128, let me try again with do-release-upgrade, I couldn't make it work AFAIR
[12:48] <seb128> jibel, yeah, thinking more about it that's probably not going to make a difference in the auth
[12:53] <seb128> oSoMoN, you noticed that libreoffice is blocked in bionic-proposed due to i386 autopkgtest issues?
[12:53] <Nafallo> → 18.04
[13:02] <oSoMoN> seb128, yes, I'm on it
[13:02] <seb128> great
[13:02] <seb128> I don't know if you received those emails about it being stucked migration?
[13:04] <ricotz> oSoMoN, I think openjdk 9 supposedly fixed this i386 issue
[13:04] <ricotz> the i386 kernel java issue
[13:31] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, yeah the 404 for the beerevent is discouraging :)
[13:37] <oSoMoN> ricotz, yes, I thought so too, just trying to reproduce and confirm locally for now
[13:38] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, will you be going?
[13:39] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, yup!
[13:40] <ricotz> oSoMoN, of course it isn't the default yet? so it would have to be used explicitly
[14:09] <oSoMoN> kenvandine, cool!
[14:09] <oSoMoN> ricotz, yes, we would have to specify the version
[14:20] <simonizor> Well then... LXQt is super duper broken in 18.04 daily right now
[14:20] <simonizor> dunno how you push an update that breaks so many deps at once
[14:21] <simonizor> https://u.teknik.io/z7DgL.txt
[14:21] <Trevinho> morning guys
[14:23] <seb128> hey Trevinho, how are you?
[14:23] <Trevinho> hey seb128 finally well :-D
[14:23] <seb128> great news
[14:24] <Trevinho> I mean energetic as always :-D
[14:24] <seb128> \o/
[14:24] <jbicha> simonizor: try #lubuntu-devel
[14:30] <kenvandine> Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel/heber, kenvandine, laney (out), oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[14:30] <jbicha> o/
[14:30] <didrocks> hey
[14:30] <kenvandine> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2017-11-28
[14:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Nov 28 14:30:25 2017 UTC.  The chair is kenvandine. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:30] <andyrock> hey
[14:30] <seb128> o/
[14:30] <kenvandine> #topic andyrock
[14:30] <andyrock> hey
[14:31] <andyrock> 1. Removing snaps from gdu
[14:31] <oSoMoN> o/
[14:31] <andyrock> 1.1 proposed a mp for snapd
[14:31] <andyrock> 1.2 proposed a mp for udisks
[14:31] <andyrock> 1.3 proposed a mp for gdu
[14:31] <kenvandine> andyrock, woot!
[14:31] <andyrock> 2. Livepatch desktop integration
[14:31] <andyrock> 2.1 prepared mp for bionic
[14:32] <andyrock> 2.2 working on backporting py-macaroonbakery in xenial
[14:32] <andyrock> eow
[14:32] <kenvandine> andyrock, thx
[14:32] <kenvandine> #topic dgadomski
[14:32] <dgadomski> hey
[14:32] <dgadomski> I don't have anything desktop-related this time.
[14:32] <dgadomski> eof
[14:32] <kenvandine> thx
[14:32] <kenvandine> #topic didrocks
[14:32] <didrocks> * Learnt Meson/ninja (reading docs and playing examples)
[14:32] <didrocks> * Do initial building blocks and branch for GNOME Shell new themes, add build system, refresh strategy and packaging. Offering a special session for this community theme setting up GNOME Shell, icon theme, GTK theme and setting default GDM theme to it.
[14:32] <didrocks> * Discussion on sound panel volume within GNOME (waiting on Allan to be back from holidays)
[14:32] <didrocks> * Discussion on session mode management within GNOME (still waiting for feedback after additional thoughts provided)
[14:33] <didrocks> * Entered google code in dekstop tasks into the system.
[14:33] <didrocks> * A lot of community/hub interactions (on the community theme side)
[14:33] <didrocks> .
[14:34] <kenvandine> didrocks, thx
[14:34] <kenvandine> #topic jbicha
[14:35] <jbicha> • fonts-noto-color-emoji is in Ubuntu today. MIR is LP: #1734885
[14:35] <jbicha> • fonts-roboto-slab is in Debian & Ubuntu (a default font for Pop!_OS)
[14:35] <jbicha> • Debian has gnome-software-plugin-snap again (snapd-glib is now in Debian)
[14:35] <jbicha> • Merged gnome-software 3.26.3 with Debian for bionic
[14:35] <jbicha> • Uploaded goocanvasmm-2.0 to Debian (build-dependency for glom)
[14:35] <jbicha> • Waiting on a license issue to be resolved before uploading glom to Debian
[14:35] <jbicha> • New version of babl uploaded but https://bugzilla.gnome.org/790745
[14:35] <jbicha> • I need help with LP: #1734586 I think we should consider dropping the patch if no one is going to rebase it.
[14:35] <jbicha> eof
[14:35] <kenvandine> jbicha, thx
[14:36] <kenvandine> #topic jamesh
[14:36] <kenvandine> * snapd: update user-mounts branch to use snap-update-ns and add a
[14:36] <kenvandine> spread test.  This seems close to being accepted, and is the base
[14:36] <kenvandine> infrastructure needed to enable the xdg-desktop-portal's document
[14:36] <kenvandine> portal for snaps.  Once this is merged, I want to get portal access
[14:36] <kenvandine> working by default with the "desktop" snap interface.
[14:36] <kenvandine> * snaps:
[14:36] <kenvandine>  - Investigated where time was being spent on the first run of snapped
[14:36] <kenvandine> desktop apps.  I experimented with some moving generation of some
[14:36] <kenvandine> caches from first run to snap generation, which makes a massive
[14:36] <kenvandine> difference.  I've got a patch for snapcraft-desktop-helpers that solve
[14:36] <kenvandine> the issue for apps using the GNOME platform snap.  At present, it
[14:36] <kenvandine> isn't clear how to handle this without snapcraft.yaml changes for the
[14:36] <kenvandine> other desktop-* cloud parts.
[14:36] <kenvandine>  - oSoMoN pointed me at a report that a user's personal fonts (i.e.
[14:36] <kenvandine> those in ~/.fonts or ~/.local/share/fonts) were not visible in the
[14:36] <kenvandine> snapped LibreOffice.  This seems to be a case of fontconfig not
[14:36] <kenvandine> finding them rather than being denied access.  I put together another
[14:36] <kenvandine> snapcraft-desktop-helpers PR that should solve this.
[14:36] <kenvandine> #topic jibel
[14:36] <jibel> - Debugged upgrade failure from Xenial to Bionic (bug 1723115)
[14:36] <jibel> - Continued SRU verification of gnome-software on artful
[14:36] <jibel> - Built bionic image for MaaS and enable testing on hardware of the dev release (pre-requisite for bootspeed tests and app startup tests)
[14:36] <jibel> - Started work on app startup time for snap packages
[14:36] <jibel> - Update tests setup to ensure they load the proxy environment variables in systemd
[14:36] <jibel> - Create a snap with testability plug to make sure introspection is possible and submit a test.
[14:36] <jibel> ..
[14:38] <kenvandine> jibel, thx
[14:38] <kenvandine> #topic kenvandine
[14:38] <kenvandine> * I've been mostly out since last weeks meeting.  I was busy eating too much :)
[14:38] <kenvandine> * Reviewed and merged gnome-3-1604 platform snap fixes from jamesh, this is the basis for some work to speed up app launching
[14:38] <kenvandine> * Reviewing/testing snapcraft-desktop-helpers PRs from jamesh, improving font handling and speedup work
[14:38] <kenvandine> #topic oSoMoN
[14:38] <oSoMoN> hey
[14:38] <oSoMoN> • chromium
[14:39] <oSoMoN>   ∘ uploaded chromium-browser 62.0.3202.94 to bionic and Chris published to all supported series
[14:39] <oSoMoN>   ∘ updated chromium beta to 63.0.3239.59 and updated snap in beta channel
[14:39] <oSoMoN>   ∘ updated chromium dev to 64.0.3269.3 and updated snap in edge channel
[14:39] <oSoMoN>   ∘ following conversation with DMB, started using a more standard versioning scheme for chromium packages (was using bzr revno until now, this was inherited from the existing packages, I'm not really sure why)
[14:39] <oSoMoN>   ∘ gave a quick shot at jumbo builds (https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/master/docs/jumbo.md), the result is faster builds indeed, but also a much larger binary (×3) as a result − need to look at that again some time
[14:39] <oSoMoN> • libreoffice
[14:39] <oSoMoN>   ∘ investigating a crash report that's blocking the 5.4.2 SRU to artful (unlikely to be a regression, but gotta get to the bottom of it)
[14:39] <oSoMoN>   ∘ updated libreoffice snap to 5.4.3, now in candidate channel and issued a call for testing
[14:39] <oSoMoN>   ∘ 5.4.3 in bionic-proposed, currently looking into an i386 autopkgtest failure that prevents the migration
[14:39] <oSoMoN> • misc
[14:39] <oSoMoN>   ∘ got my tickets for FOSDEM
[14:39] <oSoMoN> CRLF
[14:39] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, thx
[14:39] <kenvandine> #topic seb128
[14:39] <seb128> • had one day off
[14:39] <seb128> • dealt with some HR backlog
[14:39] <seb128> • bugs reviews/triaging
[14:39] <seb128> • catching up on upstream/community discussions
[14:39] <seb128> • some planning work

[14:39] <kenvandine> seb128, thx
[14:40] <kenvandine> #topic tkamppeter
[14:40] <tkamppeter> - OpenPrinting web site: Tested GitHub Pages functionality for a possible move of the main page.
[14:40] <tkamppeter> - cpdb-libs (Common Print Dialog Backends Libraries): As Nilanjana does not have much time, looked into how to improve the library layout for Debian packaging.
[14:40] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[14:41] <kenvandine> tkamppeter, thx
[14:41] <kenvandine> #topic Trevinho
[14:41] <kenvandine> · Need to take 2.5 of sickness leave because Panama hit me with some fever
[14:41] <kenvandine> · Proposed a gjs fix to avoid crashes when calling methods on deleted
[14:41] <kenvandine> objects
[14:41] <kenvandine>   https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gjs/merge_requests/22
[14:41] <kenvandine> · Some fixes and improvements to the gnome-shell fractional resource scale
[14:41] <kenvandine>   (I think there's nothing really more do to at shell toolkit level, just
[14:41] <kenvandine>   waiting for upstream review)
[14:41] <kenvandine> · Fixed yet another gnome shell crash happening on monitor setting changes
[14:41] <Trevinho> 🇨🇴
[14:41] <kenvandine> hey Trevinho!
[14:41] <Trevinho> hey :)
[14:42] <Trevinho> faster than me to paste
[14:42] <Trevinho> thanks
[14:42] <kenvandine> #topic robert_ancell
[14:42] <kenvandine> - Working on snap channel selection in GNOME Software
[14:42] <kenvandine> - snapd-glib 1.30 released
[14:42] <kenvandine> #topic aob
[14:44] <kenvandine> ok, seems no other business
[14:44] <kenvandine> everyone continue making Ubuntu Desktop awesome!
[14:44] <kenvandine> #endmeeting
[14:44] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Nov 28 14:44:48 2017 UTC.
[14:44] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2017/ubuntu-desktop.2017-11-28-14.30.moin.txt
[14:44] <seb128> thanks kenvandine!
[14:45] <oSoMoN> thanks kenvandine
[14:45] <jbicha> seb128: could you add the bug subscribers for LP: #1731065 and  LP: #1734885 ?
[14:45] <jbicha> I've got an NMU in progress for mod-dnssd to update the packaging some
[14:46] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, what's needed to allow the chromium snap to set the default browser?
[14:46] <kenvandine> isn't that just gsettings?
[14:46] <didrocks> thanks!
[14:46] <seb128> jbicha, done
[14:47]  * kenvandine wants irc links to open the snap instead of chrome :)
[14:48] <seb128> kenvandine, https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/browser-not-setting-itself-as-the-default/1547/
[14:48] <kenvandine> great, another link that will open in chrome :)
[14:48] <seb128> kenvandine, it's not gsettings but ~/.config/mimeapps.list which is outside the snap env
[14:48] <kenvandine> ah
[14:48] <seb128> also they are not wanting to give free access to that
[14:49] <kenvandine> that leaks info
[14:49] <seb128> otherwise random crap could claim to be handling types and do not nice thing
[14:50] <seb128> kenvandine, you should be able to pick the snap in gnome-control-center -> details to make it default though?
[14:50] <seb128> just the other way around doesn't work (the app prompt)
[14:50] <kenvandine> i hadn't tried
[14:51] <kenvandine> yay
[14:51] <kenvandine> indeed that works fine :)
[14:51] <seb128> :)
[14:51] <kenvandine> makes dogfooding even better :)
[14:55] <jbicha> didrocks: do you do MIR reviews?
[14:56] <didrocks> jbicha: as time permits, I do some, I plan to do the gnome-characters one before EOW
[14:56] <jbicha> the Noto Emoji one should be easy
[14:56] <didrocks> I'll see if I can review it, no promess though
[14:56] <jbicha> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.html shows a bunch of fonts-smc-* packages (split to separate packages I believe)
[14:57] <didrocks> jbicha: it won't be before Friday for me at least
[14:57] <jbicha> seb128: do you need to subscribe Desktop Bugs to those fonts-smc packages?
[14:57] <jbicha> ok
[14:58] <seb128> jbicha, what is fonts-smc?
[14:58] <seb128> ah
[14:58] <seb128> I wouldn't bother
[14:59] <seb128> I'm not even sure we should sign up to maintain fonts
[15:00] <jbicha> fonts-smc has been stuck in bionic-proposed for a few weeks 🤷
[15:04] <seb128> changing location, brb
[16:54] <willcooke> off to the dentist, l8r doodz
[16:54] <oSoMoN> seb128, I confirm that the i386 autopkgtest regression for libreoffice in bionic-proposed is the infamous i386 java kernel issue
[16:55] <oSoMoN> seb128, IIRC last time we ignored the failure to allow LO to migrate to the release pocket
[16:56] <oSoMoN> ric_otz reminded me that this is supposedly fixed in openjdk 9, so if we don't want to ignore the failure I could look into having the tests run with openjdk9
[17:42] <Nafallo> hmm. I have no menus in thunderbird on 18.04 I just realised. is this a bug or did I forget to remove something? :-)
[17:48] <kenvandine> with gnome-3-26-1604 from edge and desktop helpers fixes from jamesh, startup time for gnome-characters went from 31s to 3s!
[17:48] <kenvandine> woot
[17:49] <kenvandine> jamesh, great work!
[17:54] <Nafallo> oh. rightclick, menubar... :-P
[18:28] <seb128> oSoMoN, can you nag #ubuntu-release to do that again?
[18:28] <seb128> Nafallo, use alt-f, the idea is that the menubar shouldn't be needed that all the options are available in the popdown menu from the top right
[18:29] <seb128> kenvandine, jamesh, well done!
[18:29] <oSoMoN> seb128, you mean ignore the failure?
[18:32] <seb128> oSoMoN, right, I would ask that to unblock it, you can look at using openjdk9 but time to do the change/test/upload/build
[18:32] <seb128> there is no reason to not migrate the current one
[18:37] <oSoMoN> seb128, ack
[19:22] <Nafallo> seb128: alt-f just pops down the hidden menu?
[23:32] <robert_ancell> jbicha: so how do you build from the git debian branches?
[23:46] <jbicha> robert_ancell: are you familiar with git-buildpackage?
[23:46] <robert_ancell> jbicha: I've never got it to work from a branch that doesn't contain the source
[23:50] <jbicha> use --git-tarball-dir=../tarballs (assuming that's where your original tarballs are kept)
[23:51] <jbicha> you might need --git-no-pristine-tar too
[23:52] <jbicha> personally I really like pristine-tar and full upstream source in the git repo but sunweaver doesn't for some reason
[23:52] <robert_ancell> jbicha: it can't just get the tarball automatically from debian/watch?
[23:53] <jbicha> I use uscan -dd to download the new version
[23:53] <jbicha> I see you have a new version out already, you develop too fast 😉
[23:53] <robert_ancell> release early, release often :)


[12:53] <Guest_13> xfce4-weather-plugin stopped working on 18.04LTS.  This commit fixes the bug.  https://gitlab.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-weather-plugin/-/commit/97601ab2ad1f9810516be6d3d91c5c9b16d6397a  Is there any way to get this version backported to 18.04LTS?
[13:02] <Guest_13> I'm running a 32-bit version of 18.04LTS and can't update to 20.04LTS to fix
[13:08] <pmjdebruijn> you can download the sources and rebuild them locally
[13:09] <pmjdebruijn> or put the commit in debian/patches (and put in in series) en rebuild your current version locally
[13:10] <Guest_13> Ok.
[13:13] <pmjdebruijn> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xfce4-weather-plugin/xfce4-weather-plugin_0.8.11.orig.tar.bz2
[13:13] <pmjdebruijn> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/x/xfce4-weather-plugin/xfce4-weather-plugin_0.8.11-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>.debian.tar.xz
[13:13] <pmjdebruijn> presumably
[13:13] <pmjdebruijn> not sure if that patch will apply though
[13:13] <pmjdebruijn> oh it might
[13:13] <pmjdebruijn> it's simply enough
[14:13] <Guest_13> Those patches won't apply cleanly to the 0.8.11 version of xfce4-weather-pugin.  Can I build the newer version from focal or groovy on a 32-bit system?
[14:28] <pmjdebruijn> I doubt it, given that xfce moved to gtk3
[14:28] <pmjdebruijn> iirc
[14:42] <Guest_13> So if the patch won't apply cleanly, how do I go about getting a working xfce4-weather-plugin working on 18.04LTS 32-bit?
[22:27] <pjotter> Does anybody know what;s going on with xfce4-weather-plugin? It stopped working a couple of days ago.
[22:31] <tomreyn> did you look up the latest bug reports, yet?
[22:31] <pjotter> I'm not sure where to look. I searched google and came up with some discussion about it on a mint forum.
[22:33] <tomreyn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-weather-plugin is where bugs filed against the packages in ubuntu (by running "ubuntu-bug xfce4-weather-plugin" ony our system) would end up.
[22:33] <tomreyn> but this is actually a package maintained by debian as seen at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-weather-plugin
[22:34] <tomreyn> so you may want to look at https://bugs.debian.org/xfce4-weather-plugin also
[22:35] <tomreyn> (keeping in mind that xfce4-weather-plugin versions in your ubuntu release and those current debian releases may differ)
[22:35] <pjotter> https://git.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-weather-plugin/commit/?id=97601ab2ad1f9810516be6d3d91c5c9b16d6397a
[22:37] <pjotter> Seems they switched to a new API version
[22:38] <pjotter> Just wondering... is it hard to recompile this package for 16.04 and 18.04?
[22:40] <tomreyn> i wouldn't know, never tried. there are few dependencies, though, which should be a good thing.
[22:41] <tomreyn> xubuntu 16.04 has been EOL since april 2019, though: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL
[22:41] <pjotter> I understand
[22:49] <tomreyn> pjotter: if it's really as simple as applying those two patches then you should be able to just do this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpdatingADeb
[22:50] <pjotter> I've never done this before. I can just edit the files mentioned in the patch and then recompile?
[22:50] <tomreyn> yes
[22:51] <tomreyn> you'll need to add "deb-src" lines to be able to download source packages with apt beforehand
[22:51] <pjotter> Where can I find the source for  xfce4-weather-plugin
[22:51] <pjotter> ok
[22:51] <tomreyn> ...to your /etc/apt/sources.list, that is
[22:51] <pjotter> I can't download them manually?
[22:52] <tomreyn> sure, you can, it's just less convenient
[22:53] <tomreyn> apt doesn't ust download, but also verifies the digital signatures. you can also do this manually, but it's not as easy.
[22:53] <pjotter> Ok, so I added the deb-src line.
[22:54] <tomreyn> xfce4-weather-plugin is in universe, so you just need the deb-src for that
[22:54] <pjotter> deb-src http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial-updates main universe multiverse restricted
[22:55] <pjotter> So how to I download the source? (sorry for the many questions)
[22:56] <tomreyn> apt-get update && apt-get source xfce4-weather-plugin
[22:56] <tomreyn> sudo apt-get update && apt-get source xfce4-weather-plugin
[22:56] <tomreyn> ^ that rather
[22:58] <pjotter> it worked :)
[22:58] <pjotter> I now have the 08.9 version source
[22:58] <tomreyn> yeay :)
[22:59] <pjotter> now edit the files... ;)
[22:59] <tomreyn> i jumped ahead, though, you need to start form the top of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpdatingADeb
[23:00] <pjotter> I understand. But I first need to apply the changes, right?
[23:01] <tomreyn> whether oyu first install the build dependencies and build tools or do that after editing the source code should not matter
[23:01] <pjotter> I think the build depenencies are already on my system from previous attempts to compile stuff
[23:03] <tomreyn> you mean the build utilities, or this very packages' build dependencies?
[23:03] <tomreyn> i.e. first grey box on the wiki
[23:10] <pjotter> Mo, just de build dependencies.
[23:10] <pjotter> No
[23:10] <pjotter> I made the alterations to the files.. let's see how this compiles.. :)
[23:17] <tomreyn> good luck, that's the point where i need to weasel off
[23:19] <pjotter> it;s running... :D
[23:21] <pjotter> Hurray! we got some errors :S
[23:21] <pjotter> undeclared something... I'll dive into this


[10:08] <rbasak> cristiangsp: o/ could you glace at OOPS-f2385d538cbf2412dc1a6eda8e25afce for me please? I'm not sure I understand why I wouldn't be able to see this.
[10:08] <rbasak> from https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+git/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+merge/402465
[10:08] <rbasak> In trying to review the MPs posted at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+bug/1927795
[10:12] <rbasak> Ah never mind. I'm told the MPs have been replaced. Sorry!
[10:15] <cjwatson> If Chad had linked the MPs to the bug in the usual way rather than posting them in a comment then it would have been more obvious :)


[19:05] <lugarius> Hello Mikaela
[19:06] <lugarius> Hello everyone else
[19:22] <Mikaela[m]> Mau Lugarius Albe, I am more of SailfishOS person, but idling here thanks to curiosity
[19:31] <lugarius> I got an bq aquaris m10 for Christmas, that's why I am here
[20:28] <Acou_Bass> i switch between ubuntu and sailfish quite often, love them both XD
[20:28] <Acou_Bass> sailfish *right now* i believe is the better OS, but im more interested in ubuntu's direction so im sorta like... i want ubuntu to get better, so i keep trying it :D


[01:07] <LINKSWORD2> Hey everybody.
[01:09] <LINKSWORD2> A while back, I used to have a customized display for the digital clock widget on my taskbar. (Admittedly, it was Kubuntu 10.04. but still.) I wanted to change the font color for just the clock widget, if possible.
[01:22] <LINKSWORD2> Any suggestions?
[01:28] <LINKSWORD2> Anybody active?
 10.04 was still Plasma 4 I think
 you can look on say, KDE store and see what's available *now*
 Hello, i am new linux user and i would like to use ubuntu on my laptop but each flavour i try of ubuntu ( kubuntu, ubuntu budgie) i have problem with screen tearing when i use nvidia drivers but when i don t instal nvidia drivers i use only integrated gpu on intel i5 5200u. I would really appriciate asvice from you. Thank you.
 @Legendx7, I have nvidia 920m grapgic card
[07:30] <dsbye> when I attempt to connect to a 5 GHz network, connection manager keeps spinning at configuring interface. after sometime, the wifi password diaolog pops up. if I enter my password it goes back to configuring interface and after someimte the password dialog opens again
[07:30] <dsbye> this is only a problem with the 5 GHz SSID
[07:31] <dsbye> it connnects to the 2.4 just fine
[07:31] <dsbye> other devices have no problems connecting to the 5 GHz ssid
[08:17] <w0lf> hello all
[08:17] <w0lf> I have Kubuntu installed
[08:17] <w0lf> sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
[08:17] <w0lf> [sudo] password for w0lf:
[08:17] <w0lf> chattr: Operation not supported while reading flags on /etc/resolv.conf
[08:17] <w0lf> why its saying not supported ?
[08:18] <w0lf> I have done it in past on another machine and it worked
[08:24] <w0lf> hello ?
[08:26] <acheronuk> w0lf: symlink?
[08:27] <acheronuk> yep. that is a symlink
[08:27] <w0lf> ah its symlinked to resolv.conf -> ../run/systemd/resolve/stub-resolv.conf
[08:27] <w0lf> so should I remove the symlink ?
[08:28] <w0lf> as I want to use the nameserver from cloudflare
[08:28] <acheronuk> I wouldn't. If you HAVE to make it immutable for some reason, then sounds like you want to chattr the link target
[08:29] <acheronuk> oh. in /run
[08:29] <acheronuk> fun!
[08:57] <w0lf> acheronuk, sudo chattr +i stub-resolv.conf
[08:57] <w0lf> chattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device while reading flags on stub-resolv.conf
[10:11] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
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[12:31] <Korrora> hello everyone,may i ask a question if possible?(it can be a stupid one im sorry if it is )
[12:33] <Korrora> help help help :D please
[12:36] <BluesKaj> !ask | Korrora
[12:38] <Korrora> im a new ssd user(it is adata su650 model one),i have a 4gb ram on my laptop;shall i create a swap or i shall not?on web some says create some says it will kill lifespan of ssd and dont create you dont need.Anyone have any information about that?And thank you already :)
[12:42] <BluesKaj> Korrora, this is a swap file, not a partition, but it will work for you, https://linuxize.com/post/create-a-linux-swap-file/
[12:45] <Korrora> so i will create first an fat32 for grub efi and ext4 for root partition,after installation completes i will login and create that file on terminal,am i right BluesKaj?
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Korrora, best to just set the whole drive to gpt partition table then install kubuntu using the guided method at partitioning, the installer will take care of formatting and installing the efi boot partition and the / partition for kubuntu...there's no need to preformat the ssd to ext4
[12:50] <BluesKaj> then after installation  create the swap file, if you think you need it
[12:52] <Korrora> i dont know if i need it with 4gb ram :D and i dont want to kill ssd lifespan with swap partition,but if you say swap file doesnt effect lifespan and can be useful i can create idk :D i hate to being newbie to something
[12:55] <BluesKaj> Korrora, well, you could always buy some more RAM , it's not expaensive anymore especially if buy another 4GB
[12:56] <BluesKaj> if you have room for it
[12:57] <Korrora> it is actually damn expensive in the place where  i live BlusKaj :) i just want to use best with what i have, i wouldnt switch to ssd if my hdd wouldnt fail,desperate stupid situation
[12:57] <Korrora> i have an empty slot but possibly will stay empty for years or untill laptop dies i guess unfortunately :/  :D
[12:58] <BluesKaj> ssds are more efficient than hdds so 4GB Ram might be enough
[12:58] <BluesKaj> as long as you keep your desktop activity fairly lean
[13:02] <Korrora> so i dont have to create a swap partition,but in th future i can create a swap file if i need it really,without reinstalling system etc. right? :)
[13:02] <BluesKaj> yes
[13:02] <Korrora> im sorry BlusKaj if im giving you a headache with my questions :/ :D
[13:03] <BluesKaj> no problem Korrora , we're here to help :-)
[13:03] <Korrora> thank you so much BluesKaj, i will do what you said,i hope manjaro budgie doesnt give me a headache also :D
[13:03] <Korrora> i wish you have a nice day,and thank you soooooo much :)
[13:04] <Korrora> if it gives i will go for kubuntu,im just scared if kde eats lots of ram :/ its a gorgeous De :/
[13:05] <BluesKaj> if you already have a linux install on that machine , my suggestion will wipe it of the the drive
[13:05] <BluesKaj> off
[13:06] <Korrora> its a fresh ssd inside unopened package :) one last question may i ask please?
[13:06] <BluesKaj> Korrora, where do yo have manjaro installed ?
[13:06] <Korrora> i dont have i just have kubuntu 18.04 image and manjaro budgie image :)
[13:06] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:07] <Korrora> i will install one of them but i dont know if my laptop can handle it,
[13:08] <BluesKaj> dunno much about budgie, but KDE/Plasma is probly a bit more memory hungry
[13:08] <Korrora> i want kde but dont know if it uses lots of ram,someone told me i can try manjaro budgie so i downloaded it, i was using ubuntu with love for years but after they switched gnome from unity,i felt like strange and kept hopping distros :/
[13:09] <Korrora> can you tell me how many ram your system uses with only one firefox tab open with no other programs?
[13:09] <BluesKaj> I ran kde/plasma with 4GB Ram with a swap file for years ,,, it was fine
[13:10] <Korrora> you ran it without problem? i will definitely go for kde then :D kde has that global menu thing from ubuntu unity and i love that thing :) im coming kubuntu!
[13:10] <BluesKaj> Korrora, it's using 1GB with Konversation and FF open with one tab
[13:12] <Korrora> fair enough i guess, i will still have 2.74 gb free ram
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Korrora, there are many ways to trim kubuntu daemons from running at the same time as well
[13:14] <BluesKaj> Korrora, come back here after installing and I'll give a soeme easy suggestions
[13:14] <Korrora> killing services? i dont know how to choose them because kde apps are named so closely :D i am scared to hurt system by killing something,but i would be happy to try it if you have a webpage shows that :)
[13:14] <Korrora> ohh okay it would be great :D
[13:15] <BluesKaj> I'll be around for another 4hrs or so
[13:15] <Korrora> im switching to windows 10+ kubuntu installations,see you after that then BluesKaj :) THANK YOU sooooooo much :)
[13:16] <BluesKaj> w10 as well?
[13:17] <BluesKaj> Korrora, hope w10 is ona diffeent drive
[13:18] <Korrora> i thought i can use it for light gaming
[13:18] <BluesKaj> on a different drive
[13:18] <soon> Am I the only one, who can not connect to an external bluettooth device as regular user? ...must be root
[13:18] <soon> ...and my regular user is part of the dialout and tty groups
[13:18] <Korrora> i just have one 240gb ssd and do other slots :/ is it bad to install them side by side ?
[13:20] <BluesKaj> that complicates things, dual booting off the same drive with windows is not as simple
[13:21] <BluesKaj> w10 should ber installed first
[13:22] <Korrora> ohhh okay,windows stupidity first then,then kubuntu i see
[13:26] <BluesKaj> thast's if they're installing on the same drive
[13:30] <Korrora> unfortunately they are :D but i hope i will see Evil one only for gaming i hope :) i hope kubuntu goes as good as ald ubuntu
[13:30] <Korrora> old*
[13:31] <Korrora> before my hdd died i tried manjaro deepin and gnome for a little time,bad thing is system was going to unstable quickly after some updates,and in ubuntu it was never a thing for me,so im kinda scared rolling stuff :D
[15:17] <BluesKaj> !ot
[15:18] <tomreyn> !offtopic
[15:29] <user|87606> use install for update
[15:31] <Greenfrog> i'm having a reboot problem, if i reboot the external usb drive is not recognized, but if i disconnect the usb then reconnect it's there and usable, any ideas?
[15:32] <Greenfrog> it isnt a mount issue
[15:32] <Greenfrog> its just mostly off then on again
[15:33] <Greenfrog> odd behavior
[15:33] <Greenfrog> mostly off after reboot
[15:35] <Greenfrog> the drive has been formated ext4 and files loaded in fact i have variety using the background pics there
[15:36] <Greenfrog> ext4
[15:37] <Greenfrog> do you think this might be a bug?
[16:06] <tomreyn> Greenfrog: hmm, could be many things. this might happen due to power saving issues, or due to firmware bugs, or due to insufficient power supply by the usb controller
[16:07] <tomreyn> Greenfrog: check your system journal (or post it), it may have further hints on it.
[16:07] <Greenfrog> ok thanks i'll try
[16:08] <Greenfrog> how do i check my system journal?
[16:09] <tomreyn> Greenfrog: i'll tell you if you tell me which kubuntu version you're running
[16:10] <Greenfrog> 18.04
[16:11] <tomreyn> Greenfrog: i keep switching between different applications and irc channels. if you'd like more timely responses please prefix what you'll say by my nickname (tomreyn).
[16:11] <tomreyn> Greenfrog: you can run this to post your journal online: journalctl -b | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:11] <tomreyn> or just the first part to inspect it on your computer
[16:12] <Greenfrog> ok done that before
[16:12] <Greenfrog> https://termbin.com/ri5d
[16:13] <Greenfrog> wow thats all gobled gook to me
[16:15] <Greenfrog> it seems odd that i cant reboot and have the exernal dirve recognized but can disconnect the drive then reconnect and everything is fine
[16:16] <Greenfrog> but ok look it over
[16:16] <Greenfrog> i'd appreciate any help :)
[16:19] <Greenfrog> i'm new to kubuntu so the repair aspects is dizzying
[16:21] <tomreyn> Greenfrog: there's an issue with USB device 2-2 during USB port scan / device enumeration:    Apr 15 07:10:23 greenfrog-1 kernel: usb 2-2: device descriptor read/64, error 18
[16:21] <tomreyn> if you'll look at this and following lines this shows the issue.
[16:22] <Greenfrog> so is there a fix?
[16:22] <tomreyn> try a different usb port and reboot, i guess
[16:22] <Greenfrog> ok i can look at the log but then what?
[16:22] <Greenfrog> i have and no change
[16:23] <tomreyn> 6-2 also experiences problems
[16:24] <Greenfrog> so i'm not sure what you mean. what do i do next?
[16:24] <Greenfrog> this is way beyond my tech knowledge
[16:25] <tomreyn> if swapping the usb ports does not help, also trying to swap to the other side of the computer, then there is probably not much you can do
[16:26] <tomreyn> also, this hardware is way beyond its planned lifetime.
[16:26] <tomreyn> and suffers from unfixable hardware security issues
[16:27] <Greenfrog> ok the other side is taken by triplehead2go so  i can try that
[16:28] <Greenfrog> so if not would you consider that a bug report?
[16:28] <Alexfrench> hello
[16:28] <Alexfrench> sorry you have hardware problems ?
[16:28] <tomreyn> Greenfrog: probably not.
[16:28] <Greenfrog> what is it then?
[16:29] <tomreyn> my guess is on hardware issues
[16:29] <Greenfrog> ya maybe
[16:29] <tomreyn> power supplies age, capacitors age
[16:29] <tomreyn> this is a 12yo platform
[16:29] <Greenfrog> ok thanks for the reply
[16:29] <Greenfrog> yes it is
[16:30] <tomreyn> laptops are designed for ~ 5 years
[16:30] <Alexfrench> my 10 hp laptop died few weeks agos
[16:30] <Greenfrog> i was just trying to breath new life into it without paying 3oo bucks to use win 10
[16:31] <Alexfrench> one day is working, another day it die
[16:31] <Greenfrog> ok maybe i'll just have to live with it
[16:31] <Greenfrog> thanks
[16:32] <tomreyn> you're welcome.
[16:32] <Greenfrog> too bad its a nice laptop
[16:32] <Greenfrog> yes thanks
[16:32] <Alexfrench> have you tried bios update or drivers before ?
[16:32] <Greenfrog> :)
[16:32] <Greenfrog> dont member but i think so
[16:32] <Alexfrench> mine was too but it is dead, a nice dead laptop
[16:33] <Greenfrog> but i'll ck again
[16:33] <Greenfrog> yes todays technology tomorrows doorstop
[16:33] <tomreyn> BIOS R0200Y2 08/12/2008
[16:34] <tomreyn> but there is no vendor support anymore
[16:34] <Greenfrog> thanks i'll try that
[16:34] <Greenfrog> yes i understand
[16:34] <tomreyn> what i posted is what you have
[16:34] <Greenfrog> yes i see
[16:35] <Greenfrog> too bad so sad :P
[16:35] <Greenfrog> its a nice laptop
[16:35] <Greenfrog> ok thanks again :)
[16:36] <Greenfrog> i like coming into these channels lots of support
[16:36] <tomreyn> you'll change your opinion when you compare it to a curren tone
[16:36] <Greenfrog> thanks
[16:37] <Greenfrog> everyone has been nice and helpful
[16:54] <proctrap> Greenfrog: you could get a non-os laptop
[16:54] <proctrap> and just go with what ever you want on top
[17:08] <Greenfrog> not an option, i'm on limited income
[17:08] <Greenfrog> thanks just the same :)
[17:09] <Greenfrog> using old technology is all i have atm
[17:11] <Greenfrog> i appreciate all your help thank you :)
[17:20] <tomreyn> you could probably get a desktop with more current and better performing hardware for free, though. maybe a laptop, too.
[18:50] <oysteins> How can I debug a non-responding Kickoff→ Turn off→ Turn off?
[18:50] <oysteins> Basically that Kickoff's shutdown feature sometimes does nothing.
[18:59] <oysteins> nvm, it happened because okular was requesting permission to close tabs. Closing okular fixes issue.
[19:45] <hugowf> when 19.04 will be launch ?
[19:46] <jacky> soon hugowf
[19:46] <jacky> can't rush awesomeness :)
[19:48] <bprompt> hugowf:    it'll be released on April 30th 15 11:59:999 PM, as it's for most release dates
[19:49] <bprompt> hugowf:    it'll be released on April 30th at 11:59:999 PM, as it's for most release dates, that is
[19:49] <bprompt> hugowf:   hmm what's so awesome about it anyway?
[19:49] <bprompt> besides, the Release Candidate must already be out, and that's just as good, so use that =P
[19:49] <jacky> ^
[19:51] <bprompt> so they say the release date is April, they really mean the beginning of May, or say October, they really  mean the beginning of November hehe
[19:51] <bprompt> hugowf:  so just use the Release Candidate and don't be so Pavlovian hehe
[20:16] <yadotrian> hallo
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[22:55] <Guest52013> hello... i recently made a clean installation of kubuntu.. but i have one issue... the applications section of the app launcher is constantly updating.. i cant open any category...
[22:57] <valorie> which version of Kubuntu, Guest52013?
[22:57] <Guest52013> 18.04.2 LTS
[22:59] <Guest52013> oh, and plasmashell uses in averge 60% of CPU
[23:24] <faLUCE> hello. Is there a free public mail server associated to ubuntu, to which is possible to register?
[23:31] <valorie> faLUCE: for instance, @ubuntu.com email addresses?
[23:31] <valorie> or @kubuntu.org which is what I use
[23:31] <valorie> that is a perk of membership
[23:31] <valorie> !membership
[23:34] <faLUCE> thnks
[23:45] <Guest52013> hum, is there a solution to my problem?


[06:46] <CAZ_au> So i should create a wiki page instead of making a forum tutorials and waiting for it to be approved and converted?
[06:53] <Atamira> is that what the instructions say on the documentation pages?
[07:01] <CAZ_au> yeah but there a little obscure
[09:59] <smartboyhw> Anyone here?
[22:51] <elfy> hi peeps


[06:50] <lamont> Setting up gij-4.1 (4.1.0-0ubuntu1) ...
[06:50] <lamont> gcj-dbtool-4.1: error while loading shared libraries: libgcc_s.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:50] <lamont> dpkg: error processing gij-4.1 (--configure):
[06:50] <lamont>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 127
[07:01] <infinity> Maybe gcj-4.1_4.1.0-1ubuntu2 would treat you better?
[07:06] <lamont> yeah, probably
[07:07] <lamont> I was trying to avoid that 8 hour build, though...
[07:08] <lamont> that was from gettext_0.14.5-2ubuntu3's log, fwiw
[07:08] <lamont> anyway, bed for me.
[01:54] <jbailey> doko: Is g[ic] j-4.1 the released version?
[01:55] <doko> yes
[02:27] <jbailey> Cool, thanks.