[01:30] <brousch1> rick_h_: http://www.flickr.com/photos/brousch/sets/72157636102863644/with/10046522396/
[01:55] <rick_h_> brousch1: :)
[01:57] <rick_h_> brousch1: have a good time there?
[01:57] <brousch1> Yeah. A lot of good wines
[01:58] <brousch1> And chocolate
[01:58] <rick_h_> yea, we're a wine and chocolate vs wine and cheese couple
[01:59] <brousch1> My wife likes mostly sweet wines, so that's mostly what we bought
[02:02] <rick_h_> brousch1: cool, mostly whites?
[02:03] <brousch1> yeah
[02:03] <brousch1> Got an incredible mulled red wine from Fenn Valley though
[02:11] <brousch1> Hm. I was wrong. 4 whites, 2 blush, 7 red
[03:05] <cmaloney>  You can't go wrong with mulled wine
[03:05] <cmaloney> unless it makes you sick.
[12:10] <rick_h_> morning
[12:11] <brousch1> yes
[12:11] <brousch1> Feels like a Monday
[12:11] <rick_h_> yea, kind of does
[12:23] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:59] <rick_h_> hah, wifi network upgrades ftw!
[12:59] <rick_h_> cleaners are here so I can just go wait out in the camper and still have good wifi
[13:01] <cmaloney> Nice!
[13:04] <cmaloney> You on AC or N?
[13:04] <rick_h_> N
[13:04] <cmaloney> Also, <3 Prestige
[13:04] <rick_h_> I added a second router in AP mode upstairs so that reaches out into the front yard now more. For sitting on the porch and such
[13:05] <rick_h_> lol, yea they show up fast in their little vancs
[13:05] <cmaloney> Dude delivered some CDs and a toner cartridge like he was Santa Claus on a tear
[13:05] <rick_h_> lol
[13:18] <rick_h_> woot http://r.bmark.us/u/bee197af28b46b go chromecast go
[13:20] <brousch1> I can't wait for local media streaming
[13:21] <rick_h_> I don't much much local stuff so for me it's all about the apps updating. Hulu was one more roku did that chromecast didn't.
[13:21] <rick_h_> The only one now is AMZ that roku does but I don't think it'll get to chromecase since it's not on android :(
[13:22] <brousch1> I thought chromecast already did amazon video
[13:22] <rick_h_> nope
[13:23] <rick_h_> roku doens't do google play video or youtube and chromecast doesn't do AMZ
[13:23] <rick_h_> roku also has the for pay stuff like baseball if you do that
[13:24] <rick_h_> but really I just need my netflix, google play, youtube, and hulu for the wife
[13:24] <rick_h_> and trying to migrate off AMZ (which sucks, bought lots of disney stuff for the boy on there)
[13:25] <brousch1> Can you download it and free it?
[13:25] <rick_h_> probably some way, but more work than it's worth
[13:27] <brousch1> Meh. You won't care about Disney in 5 years anyways
[13:28] <rick_h_> yea, he's watching different stuff from the google play store atm
[13:28] <rick_h_> and I tend to stick my stuff on there so I can tablet it on travels and camping trips anyway
[13:29] <brousch1> George just watches youtube these days
[13:29] <brousch1> And a little netflix
[13:30] <brousch1> He has the semi-animate Dr Seuss books for offline
[13:30] <rick_h_> yea, we try to do offline books all the time. Working through the pooh book right now
[13:30] <rick_h_> nice big lots of stories
[13:30] <rick_h_> and can reinforce with a movie on weekends
[13:31] <brousch1> Do you get the kid's LEGO magazine?
[13:31] <brousch1> That's like his Playboy
[13:32] <rick_h_> lol, no. We're waiting for christmas/birthday for lego
[13:32] <rick_h_> otherwise daddy will break his wallet and then erica will get angry
[13:33] <rick_h_> and every year people are asking what he's into. We did play-doh one year, animals this past year, and lego is this year
[13:34] <brousch1> He really likes the people. So every time I go grocery shopping we get one of those little mystery person packages
[13:35] <brousch1> He remembers which head belongs to who. I have no idea how he does that.
[13:35] <rick_h_> nice
[13:36] <brousch1> We must have 100 people by now
[13:37] <brousch1> Did anyone else get in on http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/danshapiro/robot-turtles-the-board-game-for-little-programmer ?
[13:40] <rick_h_> I looked at it but decided not to for now
[13:40] <rick_h_> We're still working on getting into basic games as it is
[13:41] <brousch1> Some of the LEGO games can be fun too
[13:41] <brousch1> We too the minotaur game and added a bunch of our own new features when it got boring
[13:42] <brousch1> http://shop.lego.com/en-US/Minotaurus-3841
[13:43] <brousch1> We added another die, equipment for the little guys (helmets, spears, night-vision goggles) and a Theseus to chase the minotaur
[13:52] <cmaloney> I have that game
[13:52] <cmaloney> They're really cool for creativity
[13:52] <cmaloney> and lots of little pieces for game design
[13:52] <brousch1> We took apart the lego walk the plank game for some of the pieces
[13:54] <cmaloney> Meijer had some of those games on clearance
[13:55] <brousch1> yeah, i always get stuff on clearance at meijer
[13:55] <cmaloney> Picked up http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/94734/heroica-nathuz
[13:57] <cmaloney> I thought they might be interesting to use for RPGs as well. :)
[13:57] <brousch1> I got 3 of these 379-piece kits for like $20 each http://www.hasbro.com/kre-o/en_US/shop/details.cfm?R=6CF1B564-5056-900B-1018-5814FF887EB8:en_US
[13:58] <cmaloney> Yeah, those seem to go on clearance pretty rapidly
[13:59] <brousch1> 379 pieces for $20. I nearly crapped myself
[14:08] <cmaloney> http://events.leukemiamichigan.org/site/MessageViewer?em_id=4441.0&dlv_id=8021
[14:08] <cmaloney> brousch1 ^^
[14:09] <cmaloney> My dad and I have done
[14:10] <brousch1> I have GiveCamp that weekend :(
[14:10] <cmaloney> Do both. :)
[14:11] <cmaloney> Trust me, getting all the Black Note you can stagger is worth it
[14:11] <brousch1> I can't do both. GiveCamp is like a 3 day sprint
[14:11] <cmaloney> It's like Dragon's Milk
[15:08] <greg-g> g'early-morn
[15:08] <greg-g> well, it's 8, but been up since 5:40, after a 4:30 wake up from Rowan who thought it was time to be up for the day (laughing and trying to play)
[15:12] <cmaloney> Woo woo
[15:53] <jrwren> make dependency already exist but make is building it   :(
[16:17] <rick_h_> not for me, but this is kind of cool http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/701992503/the-worlds-only-earbuds-with-no-strings-attached
[16:27] <jrwren> rick_h_: when you have a minute, I need gnu make help.
[16:27] <jrwren> https://github.com/lucab/adns/blob/upstream/1.2/Makefile exactly the Makefile i have.
[16:28] <jrwren> in my case, the build server doesn't have lynx, so I think, no problem, I'll just touch README.html so that the README target doesn't need to run. This doens't work, can you suggest why?
[16:28] <rick_h_> jrwren: because README is .PHONY. It doesn't exist. It depends on README.html, but it's not limited to it
[16:29] <rick_h_> it's always going to get run no matter what because there's no physical target on disk for it to check/verify hasn't changed since last run
[16:29] <jrwren> like by default?   .PHONY: install is in the file
[16:29] <rick_h_> jrwren: well, README should be labeled .PHONY as well
[16:29] <jrwren> i just touched README.html, so it does exist on disk, with a current date.
[16:29] <jrwren> oh!
[16:29] <rick_h_> anything that's not a real target should be .PHONY
[16:30] <rick_h_> jrwren: right, but you need to look at it from the other direction
[16:30] <jrwren> got it.
[16:30] <rick_h_> install-here says "Before I can run, README must be run"
[16:30] <jrwren> thank you
[16:30] <rick_h_> then README says "Before I can run, readme.html must be there...oh it is cool...I'll run now"
[16:30] <jrwren> *nod*
[16:30] <jrwren> i wasn't thinking of the target as a possible file too.
[16:31] <jrwren> to many phonys
[16:31] <jrwren> i should have touched both README and README.html
[16:31] <rick_h_> honestly, README should have a dep on /bin/lynx and then install it if it's not there
[16:31] <rick_h_> or lynx should be an xdg-open to use whatever browser is available
[16:31] <jrwren> agree.
[16:33] <jrwren> huge thanks rick_h_, i wasn't seeing that side of it.
[16:34] <rick_h_> jrwren: cool
[16:45] <rick_h_> booo, no daily show over lunch. The videos from yesterday all come up "Sorry this video is unavailable" :(
[16:47] <jrwren> blame government shutdown
[16:47] <rick_h_> yea! sounds good to me
[18:15] <rick_h_> going to be heading down to CHC early if anyone else is bored. Probably get some potbelly for dinner.
[18:16] <brousch1> Get some for me too
[18:16] <rick_h_> will do
[18:18] <cmaloney> Dammit, the humble bundle added Karateka + the ebook on the making-of
[18:18] <cmaloney> the one that I accidentally picked up when I was looking to pick up the Prince of Persia "making-of" book.
[18:20] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Want some company for the Potbelly run?
[18:22] <rick_h_> cmaloney: if you're around, sure thing
[18:23] <cmaloney> What time are you heading over there?
[18:23] <rick_h_> cmaloney: I can ping hwen I leave if that works. I've got to swing by the pet store on my way down so not 100% sure on time there
[18:23] <cmaloney> kk
[18:23] <rick_h_> probably around 6pm ish
[18:24] <cmaloney> Sounds like a plan.
[18:33] <cmaloney> http://www.jwz.org/blog/2013/10/mobile-web-design-the-reign-of-morons-indeed/
[20:53] <jrwren> and wtf would JWZ know about it?
[20:53] <jrwren>  software he has written in last 10 yrs? next to none.
[20:54] <jrwren>  clubs he has owned and operated: one :)
[20:54] <jrwren> he should write about what he knows.
[21:47] <jrwren> omg, just noticed this code is using psycopg, not even psycopg2
[23:22] <cmaloney> Evening
[23:22] <cmaloney> jrwren: He still maintains XScreensaver
[23:22] <cmaloney> and has ported daliclock to several modern platforms
[23:23] <cmaloney> also: Even mainframe programmers can say something is wrong with the modern web. ;)
[23:43] <jrwren> anyone can say it, but they certainly wouldn't know anything about it :)
[23:48] <jrwren> the article is fine, the sensationalist slug is what annoyed me
[23:53] <rick_h_> https://github.com/joelcarranza/particular-pinboard kind of cool
[23:55] <rick_h_> http://shawnblanc.net/2013/09/pinboard-guide/ was the blog post I was peeking at that was cool


[09:11] <alexaf> Hello there. We are using bionic-server-cloudimg-amd64.img as provided by Ubuntu and we're experiencing a regression regarding GRUB terminal_output . We think that the issue is probably related to "grubx64.efi" bootloader binary. Given that this binary is provided as-is by the cloud image I'd like to track down how it was built. So the question: how is "grubx64.efi" built? Is there a repository
[09:11] <alexaf> tracking down changes between different releases of a cloud image? Thanks in advance.
[09:13] <alexaf> I already had a look at https://code.launchpad.net/cloud-images , but I don't think any of these repo is directly responsible for what I'm looking for
[09:16] <rbasak> alexaf: it's built by the grub2 source package
[09:17] <rbasak> alexaf: see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+publishinghistory and https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/log/?h=ubuntu/bionic-devel perhaps
[09:20] <alexaf> rbasak: oh okay. Will look into grub2 source package as well.
[09:21] <alexaf> rbasak: the efi binary is placed on a separate partition in cloud-images; I guess there's something creating that partition then copying over the binary there?
[09:33] <rbasak> Right
[09:41] <alexaf> rbasak: so how are these cloud-images being built?
[09:44] <rbasak> That's done by the livecd-rootfs source package I think. But this is getting towards the edge of my knowledge
[09:44] <rbasak> A cloud image is mostly just a disk image with a bunch of packages installed
[10:07] <alexaf> thanks rbasak
[10:42] <littlebit> hi people, I have question about using snap. I'm planning to install nextcloud and gitea through snap which is at first no problem but how can put both snaps, which are under different subdomains, on port 443
[11:08] <usr123> I just discovered mosh. It seems like a really good replacement for ssh. I wonder if there are any resources or books on such information, stating the tools and ways for common day to day tasks for backend developers?
[11:22] <isene> I have a badly broken letsencrypt/certbot setup. How do I unistall the whole shebang and start over? I'm on 18.04 with certbot installed via snap
[11:24] <isene> Basically, my site was only running http, I installed certbot and letsencrypt and broke the thing. Now my site is responding as it redirects to https which is misconfigured and the site is therefore not responding.
[11:27] <isene> Fixed it :-)
[11:50] <rbasak> isene: not sure how you did it, but certbot has a rollback command for exactly that situation
[12:10] <isene> rbasak: Just for future reference (in case I fuck up again) - what's the rollback command?
[12:20] <rbasak> isene: sorry I don't remember. Some argument to "certbot" IIRC. Try "certbot -h"?
[12:22] <isene> OKI
[14:36] <jamespage> icey, coreycb: can you do the initial MIR bug for python-invoke
[14:36] <jamespage> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-invoke/+bug/1892875
[14:36] <jamespage> then I can review
[14:39] <coreycb> jamespage: yes I'll take that
[14:39] <jamespage> ta
[15:16] <Blueking> how long time would it take to have hardware support on new amd cpu  zen3  ?
[15:19] <tomreyn> this primarily depends on how different those are from earlier architectures, and whether amd provides complete kernel patches in time.
[15:20] <tomreyn> plus the time span from when those patches are merged into mainline, and from then to when the next HWE kernel is released by canonical
[15:21] <tomreyn> Blueking: ^
[15:22] <Blueking> okey.. waiting for new amd cpu to arrive before upgrading..
[15:22] <tomreyn> well, not just 'the next HWE kernel', but 'the next HWE kernel that is based on a mainline kernel (as in >= version) that has the patches
[15:23] <tomreyn> backporting might also be possible, but unlikely.
[15:23] <Blueking> ordered motherboard with new intel ethernet chip (at that time) that ubuntu failed recognize :P
[15:24] <tomreyn> sometimes hardware producers don't provide linux support in time, and pressure is too high to go to market
[15:25] <Blueking> and I ordered this one -> https://www.icydock.com/goods.php?id=175
[15:25] <Blueking> uh wrong window
[22:29] <IngCr3at1on> hello. I'm having an issue installing ubuntu server 20.04 on a single SSD in a Dell R720XD server. Previously I had 19.10 on it for _some reason_ and decided it made more since to do a fresh install of an LTS instead of an upgrade... I'm running the installer and it's hitting `Could not set BootOrder: Invalid argument` (I had to record it on my phone cause it goes away to quick to actually read the output)
[22:30] <IngCr3at1on> Is anyone familiar with out to debug this? I can't go back to 18.04 either it would seem. Also for knowledge sake there are other drives in the server but they're all part of zpools and are not part of the installation
[22:32] <IngCr3at1on> I'm guessing it's more or less the same as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shim-signed/+bug/1851955
[22:33] <IngCr3at1on> just not sure how to prove that since the installer doesn't really give me any fallback terminal or similar
[22:36] <sarnold> IngCr3at1on: my guess, disable CSM or Legacy in the bios
[22:38] <IngCr3at1on> it's already set to UEFI and I'm booting the USB device with the installer via the UEFI boot menu
[22:38] <IngCr3at1on> I could obviously try installing it using legacy but it would be nice if UEFI could work as it did previously just fine
[22:47] <IngCr3at1on> though since you mentioned CSM I'm curious now if the USB device is configured wrong... first time I've actually used rufus for lack of a usable linux machine lol...
[22:48] <IngCr3at1on> trying  `UEFI (non-CSM)`
[22:48] <sarnold> IngCr3at1on: the usb bootable media should cope with both legacy systems and uefi systems
[22:48] <IngCr3at1on> that's normally what I would think also but I'm running out of ideas over here lol
[22:56] <tomreyn> IngCr3at1on: is the bios up to date? usually the problem discussed in the bug report you mentioned is casued by buggy mainboard firmware.
[23:01] <IngCr3at1on> that made no difference sadly... I check tomreyn (I updated everything when I set it up previously but never know) just interesting that it was working anyway
[23:08] <tomreyn> IngCr3at1on: maybe try a cmos / nvram reset
[23:09] <tomreyn> dont do that if you have any important data stored there, though, such as hardware raid info
[23:12] <tomreyn> IngCr3at1on: also make sure you're using the ubuntu 20.04.*1* installer, not *0*, and if that still fails, use the option provided to carry out an in-place (non-persistent) subiquity (ubuntu server installer) upgrade to the latest version available.
[23:15] <tomreyn> the Dell R720XD design is eight years old, it's possible that it doesn't have a good uefi implementation, yet.
[23:37] <IngCr3at1on> tomreyn: thanks for the advice, I'm working on updating the bios and will go from there


[09:55] <ion_> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/upstart-devel/2009-May/000967.html “My wiki implementation will have a comment chain / mailing list attached to each page.” He’s duplicating Google Wave?


[14:49] <Roguehorse> Good Morning
[20:54] <nhaines> Roguehorse: good morning!
[21:12]  * ianorlin just learned FTBFS means Fails to Build From Source
[21:13]  * ianorlin also imagines a multiple choice test of wihch of the following is not a file system a.Btrfs b.Zfs c.Reiser2fs d.FTBFS
[22:01] <pleia2> hanging out with debian folks this afternoon http://bad.debian.net/pipermail/bad/2014-August/003634.html
[22:01] <darthrobot`> Title: [Informal Debian hacking hours: Sunday, September 7th]
[22:02] <pleia2> other bay area folks are welcome to join :)
[22:05] <nhaines> Except for Arch users.  Get out!
[22:05] <rww> I'd come, but I'm on gentoo and compiling BART takes too long.
[22:07] <pleia2> heh
[22:14] <nhaines> I wonder if my moderator duties at /r/ubuntu should go on LinkedIn and my resume.
[22:14] <rww> no.
[22:14] <nhaines> rww: but I'm leveraging the social community medias!
[22:15] <rww> go ahead and do some pondering about what the average person thinks of when they hear "reddit"
[22:15] <nhaines> Apparently it's a great way to get your photo out in the news.
[22:17] <pleia2> haha
[22:42] <nhaines> I once got first post on a Slashdot article.  Maybe I should put that on linkedin.
[23:30] <Roguehorse> nhaines: Cool
[23:30]  * Roguehorse is browsing homework to see what needs to get done
[23:37] <Roguehorse> I heard a great story from Rick Moen about when VA Linux bought Slashdot - great story!
[23:38] <rww> speaking of whom, his website's been down for over a week
[23:39] <Roguehorse> Yeah, his 2230 server died and I went over and helped him get it going again from other 2230's we butchered in his garage
[23:40] <Roguehorse> I was under the impression he would have it going this past week but I guess not
[23:40] <Roguehorse> He's on "tour" now across the pond
[23:40] <rww> ah, okay :)
[23:41] <Roguehorse> He's working on it though :-)
[23:46]  * Roguehorse built a new site for EBLUG - http://www.roguehorse.com/eblug/index.html
[23:46] <darthrobot`> Title: [East Bay Linux Users Group]


[00:14] <IosifZ> Hi all
[00:14] <IosifZ> I had a 19.04 installed on this HP 8460p, exclusive wireless usage
[00:15] <IosifZ> worked without a hitch
[00:15] <IosifZ> 20.04 seems to have an issue with my wifi now but really likes my phone hotspot
[00:15] <IosifZ> so not the driver
[00:15] <IosifZ> tried with ubuntu 20.04 and kubuntu twice
[00:16] <IosifZ> read about the killer wifi and now after install I upgraded the kernel to 5.6
[00:16] <IosifZ> I still have the same issue
[00:16] <IosifZ> any ideas please ? I'm no linux savy person
[00:48] <IosifZ> *-network
[00:48] <IosifZ>        description: Wireless interface
[00:48] <IosifZ>        product: Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak]
[00:48] <IosifZ>        vendor: Intel Corporation
[00:48] <IosifZ>        physical id: 0
[01:49] <unknownTX> so ive been duckduckgoing and just cant get this figured correctly. scanning a usb hard drive for errors and repairing them when the fs is exfat...
[01:49] <unknownTX> maybe my brain is just dead or something but can someone throw me a bone
[02:43] <valorie> unknownTX: there is this: https://www.diskinternals.com/partition-recovery/how-to-fix-a-corrupted-external-hard-drive-at-home/
[02:45] <valorie> unknownTX: this looks better: https://www.r-studio.com/external-disk-recovery.html
[02:46] <valorie> btw I just googled your phrase above and added 'linux' when all it showed was win stuff
[02:46] <unknownTX> ya all i got was windows stuff :(
[03:25] <Shesh> Hi, How can I change the Inkscape icons to factory default  in 20.04
[03:31] <Shesh>  I tried to use an icon theme, it doesn't work as well
[03:31] <Shesh> sorry, I meant it was not read at all
[03:32] <valorie> Shesh: they might know in #kde
[03:33] <Shesh> thanks +valorie
[03:33] <valorie> but inkscape isn't KDE software so I have no clue where that infor is stored
[03:33] <Shesh> I see, I asked there as well
[03:33] <Shesh> I installed it from Discover
[03:33] <valorie> keep in mind all the kde chans are most active in euro-working hours
[03:34] <valorie> sure, you can install anything from the archive from discover
[03:34] <Shesh> I got used to the default icons. Finding it hard to understand the new ones
[03:34] <valorie> and if you allow snap/appimage/flatpak, those too
[03:35] <Shesh> sorry, I didn't follow the last line
[03:36] <valorie> those are alternative packaging systems
[03:36] <valorie> !snaps
[03:36] <Shesh> what does Discover offer by default ?
[03:36] <valorie> everything in the archive
[03:36] <Shesh> +ubottu thanks.
[03:37] <valorie> and everything in backports, etc. if you have those enabled
[03:37] <Shesh> I meant to ask, flatpak /app image / snap +valorie
[03:37] <valorie> ?
[03:37] <Shesh> someone told me that Discover offers Flatpak
[03:37] <valorie> it can, yes
[03:37] <valorie> you have to allow it
[03:37] <valorie> probably in settings
[03:38] <Shesh> because I installed Inkscape through Discover
[03:38] <valorie> I've never installed a flatpak
[03:38] <Shesh> may I ask where in " Settings " ? +valorie
[03:38] <valorie> I don't know
[03:38] <valorie> I never allowe them
[03:38] <Shesh> neither do I. No
[03:38] <valorie> I just know you can
[03:38] <Shesh> No Flatpak yet
[03:38] <Shesh> ok
[03:39] <Shesh> Can I rephrase my question. If I install from Discover, by default, which packaging will it use for Inkscape
[03:39] <Shesh> please don't feel bad
[03:39] <Shesh> I am trying to understand
[03:39] <valorie> !inkscape
[03:39] <valorie> pfff
[03:39] <valorie> !info inkscape
[03:40] <Shesh> +ubottu, I will check store to see.
[03:40] <valorie> in my discover, I see the option to enable flatpak
[03:40] <valorie> right in settings
[03:40] <valorie> near the top
[03:40] <Shesh> ok
[03:41] <valorie> but no appimage
[03:41] <Shesh> right
[03:41] <valorie> I think the issue there that is no single trusted source of appimages
[03:41] <valorie> yet
[03:42] <Shesh> I see
[03:42] <Shesh> +valorie what will be the Euro Timezone
[03:42] <Shesh> in GMT
[03:43] <valorie> probably the same as there
[03:43] <valorie> from 08:00 on
[03:44] <valorie> you know you can be in more than one channel at a time, right?
[03:44] <valorie> if you are running an IRC client
[03:45] <Shesh> yes, thanks. I know
[03:45] <valorie> cool
[03:45] <Shesh> I am new, but I discovered that much
[03:45] <Shesh> :)
[03:45] <valorie> some just don't pay attention
[03:45] <valorie> and thus don't learn
[03:45] <valorie> :-)
[03:47] <Shesh> :)
[03:47] <Shesh> with someone like you help, it will change
[03:47] <Shesh> you to *
[03:47] <valorie> ha!
[03:47] <valorie> thank you
[03:47] <Shesh> :)
[03:48] <Shesh> I am quite happy with Kubuntu at the moment
[03:48] <Shesh> Impressed
[03:48] <valorie> me too, have been using it for many years
[03:48] <Shesh> I have been using default
[03:48] <valorie> me too
[03:48] <Shesh> I see
[03:48] <valorie> almost all default
[03:48] <Shesh> Nice to have flavours
[03:49] <valorie> I do change the home background image when I get tired of it
[03:49] <Shesh> I tried Lubuntu in 18.04
[03:49] <Shesh> very light
[03:49] <valorie> aside from that, everything's good
[03:49] <Shesh> Kubuntu takes only 600 MB
[03:49] <Shesh> +1
[03:49] <valorie> lubuntu people are great!
[03:49] <valorie> all the flavors are
[03:49] <Shesh> :claps:
[03:49] <valorie> we work togther a lot for testing and stuff
[03:49] <Shesh> I see
[03:50] <Shesh> are you a team member ?
[03:50] <valorie> yep
[03:50] <Shesh> nice to know :)
[03:50] <valorie> release manager, although I didn't really do that job this cycle
[03:50] <Shesh> what is your role ? :neutral tone :
[03:50] <valorie> and council member
[03:50] <Shesh> great
[03:51] <Shesh> Nice to see people spending time to help others
[03:51] <Shesh> can you tell me about Krunner
[03:51] <Shesh> I think it is like Dash
[03:51] <valorie> most of the fossy channels are full of helpful folks
[03:51] <Shesh> is it ?
[03:52] <valorie> I don't know dash
[03:52] <valorie> but krunner does a loooooot of things
[03:52] <Shesh> As in Ubuntu unity and Gnome search bar
[03:52] <valorie> it does search, yes
[03:52] <Shesh> I see, the shortcut is ?
[03:52] <valorie> it will do math
[03:52] <valorie> alt+space
[03:52] <valorie> it translate measurements
[03:53] <valorie> and on and on
[03:53] <Shesh> awesome
[03:53] <valorie> https://store.kde.org/c/1327054 is some of the plugins available
[03:54] <valorie> but it does a lot by default
[03:54] <valorie> for instance you can restart plasma from there, if there is a plasma issue
[03:54] <Shesh> I will try
[03:54] <valorie> and other short commands
[03:54] <Shesh> i see
[03:54] <valorie> it is plasmashell-replace
[03:54] <valorie> the command, I mean
[03:55] <Shesh> thanks, got it :)
[03:55] <Shesh> not whole restart right ? In app restart
[03:55] <valorie> you can turn on apps that way
[03:55] <valorie> just plasma
[03:55] <valorie> not apps
[03:55] <Shesh> +1
[03:55] <Shesh> yes, I mean, in OS restart.
[03:55] <Shesh> no logout
[03:55] <valorie> it won't do a full restart I don't think
[03:56] <Shesh> +1
[03:56] <valorie> right, no logout
[03:56] <valorie> although perhaps you can logout that way too
[03:56] <valorie> dunno
[03:56] <Shesh> ok :)
[03:58] <Shesh> thanks for your time. I will come back some time later. See whether I can fix the Inkscape icon issue
[03:58] <valorie> yw
[03:58] <valorie> ttyl
[03:58] <Shesh> sure
[03:58] <Shesh> have a nice time :)
[03:58] <Shesh> bye
[04:09] <Shesh> How to use " Activities " like tiling ?
[04:10] <Shesh> It happens automatically to me
[04:10] <valorie> tiling?
[04:11] <valorie> it's not really an analogue
[04:11] <Shesh> something that happens when we click on " Activities " in Gnome
[04:11] <valorie> activities are a way to group applications, browser tabs etc. to a particular activity
[04:11] <valorie> like Work, Gaming, Vacation Planning
[04:12] <valorie> etc.
[04:12] <Shesh> oh
[04:12] <valorie> tiling is just an auto window arrangements
[04:12] <valorie> I hate it!
[04:12] <valorie> lol
[04:12] <Shesh> a minute before, my 2 windows shrunk, just like in Gnome upper right hand corner
[04:13] <Shesh> :)
[04:13] <valorie> don't really use activities because mine are all sort of the same
[04:13] <valorie> that's the "hot corner"
[04:13] <Shesh> I see
[04:13] <valorie> I turn that off too
[04:13] <valorie> don't like it
[04:13] <Shesh> :)
[04:13] <valorie> but some love it
[04:13] <Shesh> how to use hot corner ? just to know about it
[04:13] <valorie> plasma is all about choice
[04:14] <Shesh> I got used to it while using default
[04:14] <valorie> I think it enlarges a window?
[04:14] <Shesh> +1
[04:14] <valorie> or shrinks
[04:14] <valorie> or something
[04:14] <Shesh> shrinks, lists them as tiles
[04:14] <valorie> if you type corner into krunner you can change the defaults
[04:14] <valorie> I just remove them
[04:14] <Shesh> ok
[04:15] <valorie> I have only laptops; might be different if I had some huge monitor
[04:16] <Shesh> same here.
 Can anyone tell me pls whether kubuntu creates swap file if we font create a swap partition?
[06:25] <valorie> @mello009 - a swap file will be created (I think) no matter what
[06:25] <valorie> !swap
 @valorie, Thanks
[06:26] <valorie> yw
[07:38] <masonbee-M1> Must be hot corner day, I just removed mine in settings land then removed the widgets widget as well. I think it has all been redone in 5.18 but having the hot corner in the same place as the widget widget in the same place as the close buttons for windows was annoying to say the least.
 Addition driver appliaction says graphics driver manually selected...How I can Install nvidia driver properly for my laptop nvidia mx250?
[09:00] <denki> hi
[09:01] <Guest57092> hi
[09:01] <Guest57092> does this work
[09:03] <Guest57092> well
[09:04] <mike-hs> hi. I've messed something with libvirt-qemu profile. How I can reset it to default state?
[09:10] <mike-hs> I meant apparmor profile. Sry
[09:10] <mike-hs> How to reset apparmor profile to default
[09:59] <ceska> Hey. I did broken my Kubuntu 18.04 with trying too make python 3.7 be default and now some programs doesnt work. even apt manager droping errors is there any way to get system to defaults? at least things related to Python? I gues default Python version on 18.04 must be 2.7 correct?  thanks for ant help
[10:00] <ceska> FOr one reason I missing Opensuse that it has Snapper in system by default
[10:02] <ceska> If I uninstall Python 3.7 , will system defaults to 2.7? I don't think so?
[10:04] <yossarianuk> Hi - does anyone know how to use KDE IM to access a Lync account ?
[10:04] <yossarianuk> i use pidin-sipe at present but I would prefer to use the native KDE IM
[10:05] <yossarianuk> sorry pidgin-sipe
[10:07] <yuradoc> hello. am i able upgrade somehow from 19.10 20.04 or it's not yet ready?
[10:07] <yuradoc> i have some messages - no new realeases
[10:08] <yossarianuk> if I go to -KDE IM ->  add account - office365/Lync  nothing happens
[10:09] <yossarianuk> if I choose Office/365/Lync (via libpurple) I get a screen that has only options - connect when wizard is finished and adcanec (which just has do not sync calander) - i click OK
[10:09] <yossarianuk> and nothing happens
[10:09] <yossarianuk> *advanced*
[10:09] <yossarianuk> anyone using KDE IM to connect to lync?
[10:10] <yossarianuk> as it seems broken
[10:12] <yossarianuk> i.e no where to put username/pass, etc
[10:19] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
 @Roger Light, 1st see if it is already reported @ bugs.kde.org
[11:35] <jhdore> Good morning - I've been following the instructions for upgrading to 20.04 in the article you've linked to, but the apt-get dist-upgrade command tells me there is nothing to do. Is this correct (it's not released yet) or something up with my machine?
[11:38] <BluesKaj> jhdore, use the newer command, do-release-upgrade -d, (you still need the -d flag til the point release in july)
[11:38] <RikMills> jhdore: apt-get dist-upgrade upgrades packages on your current release (e.g. bugfixes). It does not upgrade you TO a new release.
[11:40] <jhdore> Thanks! do-release-upgrade -d isn't in the Upgrade doc on the Ubuntu site!
 @Roger Light, In that case, please report it if you can
[13:05] <user|62682> what is system requres for kubuntu
[13:08] <montered> è xdcc send # 1
[13:08] <montered> xdcc send #1
[13:09] <ordinarydude1> 1024 MiB to 2048 MiB RAM, inimum of a 2ghz cpu, 8gig of space
[13:51] <gls> hello, I upgraded to Kubuntu 20.04 and now I have this issue : https://i.imgur.com/IySpsh5.png (screenshot of my desktop with system settings open, same problem with SDDM) does anybody here have an idea of what package is missing ? :) thanks a lot
[13:53] <BluesKaj> gls, have you run updates /upgrades since installation?
[13:53] <gls> BluesKaj: yes, everything is up to date :(
[13:54] <gls> I reinstalled kubuntu-desktop sddm plasma-desktop (I think)
[13:55] <gls> but I don't really know what's missing, the bottom bar and system settings work fine if I click. There is just a problem with the color
[13:55] <BluesKaj> which gpu?
[13:59] <gls> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 630 (Mobile) (rev 02)
[13:59] <gls> it is a dell laptop for my work, I don't think I have another GPU
[14:00] <gls> xserver-xorg-video-intel is already the newest version (2:2.99.917+git20200226-1). but I guess that if I had a problem with my xorg drivers, I couldn't even reach SDDM/desktop
[14:02] <BluesKaj> gls, my laptop is a dell with the same gpu using the i915 driver... did you update/ upgrade your existing packages before upgrading to 20.04?
[14:04] <gls> yes, it was clean. I did update+upgrade then reboot, then do-release-upgrade then update & upgrade
[14:05] <muni> hi team
[14:05] <muni> i'm not able to click or operate kubuntu with laptop touch pad
[14:06] <BluesKaj> gls,  the proper command for upgrade to 20.04 is to use -d flag as well, sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[14:06] <muni> can you tell me the solution
[14:07] <muni> touch pad is not working
[14:08] <gls> BluesKaj: yes I used -d but I think that I also used -m desktop (I am not sure)
[14:08] <gls> which should be fine
[14:09] <BluesKaj> -m desktop?why?
[14:10] <BluesKaj> ther's no need for that afaik
[14:12] <gls> okay mistake but what is the impact ? we can have desktop or server so I guess it doesn't impact negatively my OS
[14:12] <gls> btw, I can start a Ubuntu session and the desktop seems to be fine
[14:20] <BluesKaj> so you have both gnome and kde/plasma desktops?
[14:21] <gls> BluesKaj: apprently yes, don't know why though since I never used gnome
[14:22] <gls> ubuntu-desktop is not installed
[14:23] <BluesKaj> so what does your ubuntu session desktop look like ?
[14:24] <gls> similar to this : https://149366088.v2.pressablecdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/ubuntu-20.04-desktop-screenshot.jpg
[14:25] <BluesKaj> gls, that looks an awful lot like gnome to me :-)
[14:27] <gls> yes but ubuntu-desktop is not installed so I am trying to find some kind of "gnome" package
[14:29] <BluesKaj> suggest you go ask in #ubunbtu chat for help on that
[14:30] <BluesKaj> oops correction #ubuntu
[14:30] <gls> I found ubuntu-session and gnome-shell installed
[14:31] <BluesKaj> do you have kubuntu-desktop installed as well?
[14:32] <gls> yes, this one is installed
[14:33] <BluesKaj> what do you mean by "this one"
[14:35] <gls> kubuntu-desktop but all the others *-desktop are not installed (lubuntu, xubuntu, ...)
[14:36] <gls> I uninstalled all the gnome stuff, rebooting now
[14:39] <gls> okay no change, I think I am going to backup all my work dir and clean install this version :)
[14:39] <gls> thanks for your help
[14:40] <R13ose> Sometimes when I using Kubuntu, this will logout for no reason.  I don't know why.  How do I not logout?
[14:41] <BluesKaj> ok is plasma-desktop installed ?
[14:41] <BluesKaj> gls,^
[14:43] <ericmci> Hello
[14:44] <gls> BluesKaj: yes
[14:45] <BluesKaj> gls, ok, seems a clean install is in order
[14:57] <gls> BluesKaj: indeed, thanks again for your time
[14:58] <masonbee-M1> OK, that is weird. On 20.04 chromium-browser is now a transitional package that installs the snap. There is no package for a non snap version.
[14:58] <jukebohi> I'm going to install clean 20.04 (once I get some SSDs, USB sticks and such). I'm now on 18.04.4. If I move the Plasma Vault as is, will it open? Or should I just fetch the files to unencrypted for a little while and then create a Plasma Vault?
[15:00] <masonbee-M1> Also, is there some way to blacklist snapd from installing?
[15:17] <BluesKaj> masonbee-M1, snapd is not installed by default, if you don't want it, remove it
[15:22] <genii> https://snapcraft.io/blog/chromium-in-ubuntu-deb-to-snap-transition
[15:22] <genii> This snap-only transition of chromium was announced a while ago
 How to install fingerprint driver for asus x512?
[15:46] <masonbee-M1> BluesKaj: snapd was installed by default on my install. After removing it I went to install chromium and it reinstalled again.
 When I tried to boot with usb and the system startes scanning those filesystem after 100% I see something "1 error found you will encounter erros" like this I'm not sure
 Anyone know why?
 Maybe something error on flashing iso
 It's check the integrity of the files written to the usb
 Try rufus or etcher
 So either your download was correct, there was an error writing to the usb, or your usb is faulty
 Yeah I think so
 I will download the iso again and check my usb
 Thanks guys 👍
[15:52] <masonbee-M1> genii: I don't do snap. I suppose I will have to install Chrome instead.
 I hate it becos it shows 1 error 😅
 I had the same thing and it installed fine.
 @masonbee-M1> <mello009, So you went ahead and installed it?
[16:05] <barry> Hello
[16:05] <barry> I am new to Kubuntu
 I have just gone through and made sure all the programs I have in 18.04 are able to install on 20.04 and everythign is fine except for Chromium....for which I will have to use chrome. The install has been running for a couple of days now, updates, installs, etc...all good. Wrote the image with the startup usb maker (kde version). The image was fine if I checked it in a virtual machine. So maybe check the image
[16:07] <masonbee-M1> that way and then try writing to a different usb with dd or something. Or give it a go.
[16:14] <mparillo> masonbee-M1: You could try Falkon
 @masonbee-M1> <mello009, Yeah im about to re the image again
 Also I have to fully check my usb
 It's brand new one idk if it's corrupted or not
 Thank you
[18:57] <masoud> hi
[18:57] <masoud> what is this chat?
[18:59] <user|16698> Hello everyone, I have some trouble with the "new" Focal version on Kubuntu. After upgrading sddm seems blocked.
[18:59] <diogenes_> !topic | masoud
[18:59] <user|16698> Can someone have any clue ?
[18:59] <user|16698> !topic
[19:00] <masoud> tanks guys
[19:01] <diogenes_> user|16698, how did you upgrade?
[19:02] <user|16698> with the do-release-upgrade command inside a tty
[19:02] <user|16698> (currently running my firefox using startx on tty2)
[19:03] <diogenes_> user|16698, try a new user with; sudo adduser test
[19:04] <diogenes_> and login as test.
[19:04] <user|16698> I could sddm don't event land to the users page so i don't think it will help
[19:04] <user|16698> I could but sddm don't event land to the users page so i don't think it will help
[19:06] <diogenes_> then try re-installing sddm.
[19:06] <user|16698> done :/
[19:09] <diogenes_> user|16698, systemctl status sddm see if it shows any errors also xorg logs, btw any GPU drivers were installed before the upgrade?
[19:11] <user|16698> in logs I just go Auth: sddm-helper exited with 11
[19:12] <user|16698> (but stille running)
[19:14] <user|16698> my driver for my intel GPU is i915
[19:15] <user|16698> (mesa drivers)
[20:42] <unknownTX> evening all... :) well pre-evening here
[20:45] <oerheks> :-)
[20:47] <unknownTX> man, been moving files off my 2TB drive to 2 othere drives , so i can repair the 2TB beast
[20:47] <unknownTX> dont EEEEEEVER use exFAT
[20:49] <mario_> list
[20:56] <jhunold> !list | mario_
[20:57] <oerheks> exfat is not the issue, ubuntu or linux as whole does not give complete set of filecheck+repair utils
[20:57] <oerheks> work in progress
[20:58] <oerheks> mario_, https://torrent.ubuntu.com/tracker_index
[21:01] <ivan_> hi
[21:57] <sharmarran> I have tried everything recommended and so far, none of them work. Can someone please tell me how to permanently enable boot numbers lock on focal fossa?
[22:02] <sharmarran> I have tried everything recommended and so far, none of them work. Can someone please tell me how to permanently enable boot numbers lock on focal fossa?
[22:02] <genii> Repeating every 7-10 minutes instead of every 2 minutes would be better :)
[22:03] <user|19575> Hola
[22:04] <sharmarran> genii myob
[22:04] <genii> sharmarran: So, numlock on after user logs in, or numlock when login screen comes up?
[22:10] <genii> sharmarran: To set it for your user: System Settings -> Input Devices -> Keyboard   ..then on the right of the screen, a section called NumLock on Plasma Startup    with 3 choices: Turn on  - Turn off - Leave unchanged. Choosing "Turn on" here, and hitting "Apply" button in bottom right of the window should change it
[22:16] <sharmarran> genii I have been told this before, and there is no such option on my keyboard settings.
[22:18] <sharmarran> I have tried everything recommended and so far, none of them work. Can someone please tell me how to permanently enable boot numbers lock on focal fossa?  Please if someone can answer this question directly, I would much apit. cheers
[22:18] <sharmarran> I have tried everything recommended and so far, none of them work. Can someone please tell me how to permanently enable boot numbers lock on focal fossa? If someone can answer this question, I would very much appreciate it. cheers
[22:19] <genii> sharmarran: PLease stop spamming, or I will be forced to remove yuo from the channel, thanks.
[22:21] <sharmarran> genii I am 66 years old and require a bit more respect. thank you! And I have no idea what you mean by spamming. Also, I would appreciate it, if someone else could answer this question for me. cheers
[22:22] <genii> sharmarran: Spamming is repeating the same content over and and over close togther in time. And I am not a young man either.
 @sharmarran, for login screen, create the file /etc/sddm.conf   if not exist and add: … [General] … Numlock=on
[22:25] <sharmarran> genii I am a woman, not a man. Please stop talking to me. thank you. I am new to unbuntu, and i do not appreciate being threatened. If this is how you treat people looking for help, then I will look elsewhere.  But some patientince on your part must also be had.
[22:27] <genii> Hah, I am the one trying to be polite
[22:27] <sharmarran> patientince?
[22:27] <dougl> enuff please
[22:27] <genii> You were given a solution to try, perhaps to to attapt it.
[22:28] <sharmarran> Threatening people is not being polite
[22:28] <genii> attempt it, rather
[22:28] <sharmarran> what is patientince?
[22:28] <housecat> patience, presumably
[22:28] <sharmarran> you are being rude
[22:28] <genii> sharmarran: Patience. My spelling is not good lately
[22:29] <el> sharmarran: he's trying his best in his current situation. the instructions genii gave appear correct to me
[22:29] <sharmarran> is there anyone here who can answer my question? If not, then I will try back later
[22:29] <sharmarran> and I responded
[22:30] <sharmarran> and then was threatened
[22:30] <el> yes and given he can't see your keyboard, and neither can i, neither of us know what else to suggest to you
[22:30] <sharmarran> what is next?
[22:31] <sharmarran> then you don't know the answer to my question. cheers. I will try again later
[22:31] <dougl> sharmarran, what did not work? or did you find a stumbling block we dont know about?
[22:31] <el> repeating yourself over and over doesn't make the answer change unfortunately, trying back later would be a better idea, and preferably come in hand with something to help the next people know what your keyboard is like
[22:31] <sharmarran> and again. what genii recommended is not an option on my system
[22:32] <housecat> sharmarran: can you describe what you do see in keyboard settings?
[22:32] <housecat> might help us get on the same page :)
[22:34] <sharmarran> i will write to the developers again. maybe they can help me with this dilemma. I found this support section last night for the first time. I received decent help last night for another issue, and so i returned.
[22:34] <el> sharmarran: does it look like https://i.imgur.com/k6uWbRT.png ?
[22:34] <el> if not let us know everything that is missing
[22:34] <sharmarran> yes it does
[22:35] <el> so all the lines are the same?
[22:35] <el> i don't have kubuntu so i'm kinda limited in what i can help with :-/
[22:36] <sharmarran> el yes
[22:37] <el> ok so you can see the three choices in the top box?
[22:37] <sharmarran> yes
[22:37] <el> is the "turn on" option the one that's enabled?
[22:38] <sharmarran> yes
[22:39] <sharmarran> el this is one of the first thing I have tried. It doesn't work
[22:39] <el> ok, and is the button in the bottom right hand corner "apply"
[22:39] <el> ?
[22:40] <sharmarran> oh come on!
[22:40] <sharmarran> really
[22:40] <dougl> what?
[22:40] <el> is it or not?
[22:40] <sharmarran> I am not an imbecile
[22:41] <sharmarran> of course I click on APPLY

[22:41] <el> is it currently lit up or it is greyed out?
[22:41] <sharmarran> come on!
[22:41] <sharmarran> can you help me or not
[22:41] <el> we're just double checking things, i can't see your screen so i'm making sure what you're looking at is what i think you're looking at
[22:42] <el> you're helping me make sure we're on the same page, i'm the imbecile in this case
[22:42] <sharmarran> it fine. you probably do not know another way. I will check with the developers again.
[22:42] <sharmarran> I did say, that I had already tried this
[22:43] <el> i was going to help you do the sddm.conf edit that was suggested via the telegram bot
[22:43] <sharmarran> as well as trying to change it on the Konsole ...and in the BIOS. but nothing has worked so far
[22:43] <sharmarran> LOL
[22:43] <dougl> its all fun...
[22:43] <dougl> and whats not fun is educational
[22:44] <el> but ok if you want to wait for someone else that's your choice, that's the thing you need to ask for help with next time: ~IrcsomeBot | <da_ni_el> @sharmarran, for login screen, create the file /etc/sddm.conf   if not exist and add: … [General] … Numlock=on
[22:44] <el> perhaps da_ni_el is still around to walk you through that
[22:47] <sharmarran> I told you I already tried the config route
[22:52] <sharmarran> El i have already tried configuring it and adding the line ...greeter-setup-script=/usr/bin/numlockx on
[22:52] <sharmarran> and a number of other things as well. I realize you do not know the different things I have tried. But I will know when you tell me something that I have not tried
[22:53] <sharmarran> take care and have a lovely day/ evening :)
[23:45] <kbdproblem> hello I would like to enable keyboard backlight on my dell inspiron laptop. However, since no dell_backlight folder is to be found /sys/class/leds I would like to know if I can create my own config
[23:45] <kbdproblem> Can anyone tell me how to approach this problem?
[23:50] <mauricio> hey
[23:51] <kbdproblem> hello