[00:39] <porkinz> hi. quick question.  how do i ensure that password is always required to sudo su -?  after setting a root pw, i tried to update /etc/sudoers and add PASSWD: ALL at the end of the lines, but it's still letting me sudo without a password.
[00:40] <leftyfb> porkinz: ok, lets go through this 1 step at a time. First, why are you setting a root password? Why not just use "sudo su"?
[00:43] <porkinz> leftyfb: am using sudo su, but want to get a password prompt whenever using it.  this is for an AWS VM, so in the worst case scenario where someone gets ahold of my private key and gains access to the server, all the important files are still encrypted by some keys that are only visible to root, so i don't want someone to simply sudo into root without having to also know its password
[00:44] <leftyfb> porkinz: ok, step #1, disable the root password, that is not relevant to what you are trying to accomplish. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo#Re-disabling_your_root_account
[00:46] <leftyfb> porkinz: next, remove whatever you have added to the sudoers file and add this line towards the top with the rest of the Defaults:   Defaults timestamp_timeout=0
[00:46] <leftyfb> porkinz: this will make it so every time you call sudo for anything you'll be asked for your users password (not root's, that's not how sudo works)
[00:49] <leftyfb> porkinz: your sudoers file should look like this https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/4Hc59CBqtk/   If you've added anything and think you still need it, feel free to share it here so we can determine if it's necessary for your end goal
[00:49] <porkinz> leftyfb: thanks. giving this a shot right now
[00:51] <leftyfb> porkinz: hint:  login with a different terminal and sudo su  ... keep that logged in and work in a different terminal just in case you make a mistake with sudoers
[00:55] <porkinz> leftyfb: ran sudo passwd -dl root  to disable root, then updated the sudoers file per your recommendation, but it still lets me right into root after i exit and sudo su -
[00:56] <leftyfb> porkinz: (while logged in a root in a different terminal/window) log out and log back in and then try
[00:56] <porkinz> leftyfb: did that with no luck
[00:57] <porkinz> leftyfb: exited all the way out to my local prompt and ssh'ed in again, then sudo su - and it let me in with no pw
[01:00] <leftyfb> porkinz: cat /etc/os-release | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:01] <porkinz> leftyfb: termbin.com/mmwa
[01:02] <leftyfb> porkinz: sudo cat /etc/sudoers | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:04] <porkinz> leftyfb: termbin.com/qpz7
[01:07] <leftyfb> porkinz: I know it's commented out, but lets remove that ubuntu line completely. This really should work. It's working fine on my test machine
[01:07] <porkinz> leftyfb: removed and exited all the way out, but no change
[01:08] <porkinz> was able to even login on another computer and still sudo in
[01:09] <porkinz> i checked the groups to see if i added the ubuntu uer to root through usermod, but that doesn't look to be the case
[01:09] <leftyfb> porkinz: wait, do this...   login via ssh. Then type "sudo ls /"    it should ask for a password. Then "sudo ls /tmp/"
[01:11] <porkinz> did not ask for a password on either of those commands
[01:11] <leftyfb> porkinz: echo $USER
[01:11] <porkinz> ubuntu
[01:12] <leftyfb> porkinz: something isn't right here, this should just work. What is it about this machine or the testing process are you leaving out?
[01:14] <porkinz> leftyfb: i ran a bunch of other commands when trying to get WinSCP to access some privlidged content.  i think that i ran something like usermod -aG root sysadmin
[01:14] <porkinz> if i looks at the groups that ubuntu user is a part of "adm" comes up.  wondering if that is whats going on?
[01:15] <leftyfb> porkinz: sysadmin is not a default group
[01:16] <leftyfb> porkinz: I would spin up another AWS VM and test this on a fresh install. If it works, then maybe move everything to the new one ... or remember all the random commands you typed and undo whatever they did
[01:17] <porkinz> leftyfb
[01:18] <porkinz> thanks, will give that a try and report back
[01:35] <guiverc> I upgraded an 16.04/xenial box to 20.04 (re-install; something-else no-format)..  thus system dirs got wiped & my added fonts in /usr/share/fonts are gone.. I restored most; but not one I used obviously.. anyone know what config/xml file has my altered xfce (desktop/menu/panel etc) font?
[02:07] <rfm> guiverc, no idea but probably under ~/.config somewhere.  You could "find ~/.config -type f -print | xargs grep <the font name>"
[02:10] <guiverc> rfm, thanks, I was trying grep searches for 'font' & didn't find it.. I want to know font name (see if I'm willing to install that font; I don't want to restore the whole directory I believe it was in)
[02:11] <leftyfb> guiverc: I would create a new user and login as the new user and see if you have any issues
[02:13] <guiverc> leftyfb, yeah that'd work I believe; also restoring the whole font dir & then logout, login would allow me to work normally I believe (& find what I'm asking for) restored (there are heaps I've not restroed); asked in case someone knew a file that had what I'm convinced is just a font-name I'm missing
[02:21] <guiverc> thanks leftyfb :)
[02:27] <parclytaxel> Hello?
[02:29] <porkinz> leftyfb: the problem ended up being that cloud-init created an entry in a file under /etc/sudoers.d that gave ubuntu ALL with nopasswd rights.
[02:29] <parclytaxel> (sorry was tweaking some things on my local client)
[02:29] <leftyfb> porkinz: ah, I should have thought about sudoers.d/
[02:29] <leftyfb> porkinz: sudo apt remove --purge cloud-init
[02:30] <parclytaxel> So, has my LiberaChat registration gone well?
[02:30] <LjL> parclytaxel, you don't seem identified at this time
[02:30] <leftyfb> parclytaxel: please go to #libera for help with IRC
[02:32] <parclytaxel> oh sorry
[02:32] <parclytaxel> I should be identified now
[02:32] <leftyfb> parclytaxel: you're not, please go #libera for help with IRC related issues
[02:33] <LjL> actually they are
[02:34] <LjL> but you can talk here whether or not you're identified, anyway
[02:37] <porkinz> leftyfb: what is the purpose of purging cloud-init instead of just commenting out the line in the offending file. i'm afraid to remove it since everything else is running smoothly
[02:38] <leftyfb> porkinz: if you have to ask, then you're not utilizing it. It's meant for system bringup with preconfigued options or to manage some settings remotely, mainly at an enterprise level. Beyond that, it just gets in the way
[02:39] <porkinz> leftyfb: good to know. will remove it and see what happens..
[02:47] <cluelessperson> despite being thoroughly disabled, ubuntu's built in on screen keyboard won't stay away
[02:47] <cluelessperson> it keeps popping up randomly.
[05:02] <gneeriiloeepdeer> I want to use 'locate' to find all jpg files inside a directory. I cd'ed to the directory and executed 'locate .jpg', but it showed results from all directories of my computer.
[05:02] <gneeriiloeepdeer> how do I do this right?
[05:02] <Unit193> `find -name '*.jpg'` instead?
[05:02] <ubot3> "'*.jpg'`" is not a valid release: bionic, bionic-backports, bionic-proposed, experimental, fasttrack, focal, focal-backports, focal-proposed, groovy, groovy-backports, groovy-proposed, hirsute, hirsute-backports, hirsute-proposed, partner, stable, stable-backports, testing, unstable
[05:09] <gneeriiloeepdeer> how come find is better than locate?
[05:11] <Unit193> It's not, it just does what you'd like in this case better.  find will list files in the current directory and recurse, locate searches the system.
[05:12] <Unit193> locate can be faster since it's backed by a db.
[05:26] <juceliofloresta> gneeriiloeepdeer you can read man locate and man updatedb to see that locate is to a another usecase than find.
[05:27] <gneeriiloeepdeer> thank you
[05:29] <juceliofloresta> sorry if I wasn't be respectful in my aweser, I trying to help you. 🌹
[06:11] <gneeriiloeepdeer> 🌹 that's a cool ascii
[06:11] <gneeriiloeepdeer> arose
[06:54] <cbreak> it's not even remotely ASCII
[09:48] <xikkub> buffer hide
[09:48] <Conna> hmm
[09:50] <xikkub> buffer hide
[09:53] <xikkub> sorry about that
[10:43] <pinnerup> A question of fallback fonts: After upgrading to hirsute, I see a strange phenomenon with font fallback for Arabic text. Generally, Arabic is displayed fine, but if an Arabic word contains a ٱ, that word (or the rest of the word) will render in FreeMono, which is, sadly, a horrible font for Arabic. Even if I've plenty of decent Arabic fonts ...
[10:43] <pinnerup> ... installed that contain ٱ. Can I change this somehow?
[10:50] <cbreak> I can't really help you, but out of interest: does this happen in all programs the same? For example in web browsers, in the terminal, in file names?
[11:03] <pinnerup> Hmm, it seems to function differently for different programs, and even for different text fields within the same program.
[11:05] <ThinkT510> do those programs have separate font settings?
[11:07] <pinnerup> For instance, if in Chrome I do a Google search for the phrase "أَعُوذُ بِٱللَّٰهِ مِنَ ٱلشَّيْطَانِ ٱلرَّجِيمِ", on the Google results page, it'll show the entire phrase in the search field at the top in FreeMono, but in the Chrome address bar, it'll show the address for the search page, which ...
[11:07] <pinnerup> ... includes the same phrase, and here the words "أَعُوذُ" and "مِنَ" (notably words not containing the ٱ character) in a "proper" font, using FreeMono for the rest.
[11:08] <ThinkT510> does firefox do the same?
[11:10] <pinnerup> ThinkT510: No, Firefox seems to display it all in a proper font.
[11:10] <pinnerup> Weird.
[11:10] <ogra> pinnerup, there was a longish discussion on the discourse community hub recently around better support for arabic fonts, perhaps there are some suggestions in it for you https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/request-better-arabic-font-for-ubuntu-20-04/14573
[11:11] <pinnerup> ogra: Thanks for the tip.
[11:11] <ogra> (note that this is a looooong thread 🙂 )
[11:12] <ThinkT510> does chrome have an equivalant for about:config? perhaps there is some obscure font setting to change
[11:13] <greyblue9> chrome:flags is the closest thing i know of
[11:21] <cbreak> pinnerup: here on 21.04, the character looks like an orange | with a hat.
[11:21] <cbreak> at least in HexChat
[11:22] <cbreak> weird...
[11:22] <pinnerup> Orange? :D
[11:22] <cbreak> unless I select it... then it shows totally different text.
[11:22] <cbreak> wonder if that's some kind of confusion with the LTR / RTL switching
[11:22] <greyblue9> 👀
[11:25] <cbreak> pinnerup: https://postimg.cc/bDJ24sv6
[11:26] <cbreak> maybe some artefact of sub-pixel anti-aliasing
[11:26] <cbreak> yeah
[11:34] <urth> https://pasteboard.co/K4qR8eOA.png
[11:34] <urth> quassel doesn't like it either
[11:37] <ThinkT510> looks fine in fira code
[11:37] <pinnerup> It seems to be fixed (at least for Chrome and Anki) if I create a /etc/fonts/conf.d/99-arabic.conf file with the contents as per the link ogra gace.
[11:37] <pinnerup> s/gace/gave/
[11:38] <pinnerup> cbreak: Thanks. It's good to see that the character acts up on your computer as well. At least it's not just a problem with my install :)
[11:40] <pinnerup> urth: It seems to render properly in your screenshot?
[11:42] <urth> the font renders but the margin/padding is wrong
[11:55] <sentiment> hello everyone. I removed pulseaudio because of a problem I had with duplex stereo sound in other words I could not record sound.
[11:55] <sentiment> so i've installed pipe-wire and pipewire-pulse and the same problem persists.
[11:55] <sentiment> https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2462882
[11:56] <sentiment> ^ this problem, still with pipewire.
[11:59] <tatertots> sentiment: replaced the culprit with something else..and your problem(s) persists eh?.....maybe your culprit wasn't the culprit after all
[12:00] <sentiment> not sure what that is supposed to mean
[12:00] <tatertots> sentiment: how many different GNU/Linux distributions have you tested with? Grand total?
[12:01] <sentiment> did you read that link above?
[12:01] <tatertots> so you've only tested Ubuntu
[12:01] <sentiment> I'm willing to spend money if that might speed up the support process. where can I get such support?
[12:01] <sentiment> It's been over two days now and this is frustrating.
[12:02] <sentiment> tatertots: I have arch as well, but it only has ALSA
[12:03] <sentiment> So it doesn't suffer from this problem.
[12:03] <tatertots> If you have the same problem(s) with "multiple" GNU/Linux distributions, it's very likely no software will address your problem(s)
[12:03] <sentiment> did you read that link where I said the recording works so long as it's pure ALSA?
[12:04] <sentiment> are you willing to accept money for a better focused help?
[12:05] <felco> i not an audio/video guy, but i read that you have a custom kernel for such workloads
[12:05] <tatertots> Once everything soft/hard has been ruled out...some problem(s) are problems in human perception...and those kind of problems will never be address with hard/soft wares
[12:05] <felco> but i dont remember what it is called
[12:06] <sentiment> tatertots: you're not being helpful.
[12:07] <tatertots> truth is bitter and hard to swallow sometimes
[12:07] <sentiment> I'd rather ignore you and wait for someone else who can help, paid or not.
[12:07] <sentiment> as it is, you're wasting my time and energy and I SHOULD ask you for money, not other way around.
[12:09] <felco> sentiment maybe you can try to compile arecord with pulse support?
[12:10] <felco> rollback to alsa maybe painful
[12:10] <sentiment> felco: please read my last post on that thread.
[12:10] <sentiment> I can't record via whatever application.
[12:11] <sentiment> Also PLEASE look at the first image in the OP.
[12:11] <felco> thats wierd
[12:11] <sentiment> (unavailable)
[12:11] <felco> yeah, I saw that
[12:11] <sentiment> felco:  it is
[12:11] <felco> i cant help debug that, sorry
[12:12] <sentiment> I have a question.
[12:12] <sentiment> Does ASLA manipulate firmware on the sound card  too?
[12:12] <tatertots> whats the syntax for the bot to show information on packages ?
[12:12] <tatertots> is it !packagename
[12:13] <sentiment> For the lack of a better guess, I suspect this happened after I installed Arch.
[12:13] <sentiment> Could it be related felco?
[12:14] <felco> wait, are you arch or ubuntu?
[12:14] <sentiment> right now Ubuntu
[12:14] <felco> if your reinstalled ubuntu, thats not the case
[12:14] <sentiment> No, I installed Arch after Ubuntu.
[12:14] <sentiment> and I dual boot between the two.
[12:15] <felco> yeah I understand, but I dont think that could ever happen
[12:15] <sentiment> yeah well, I thought maybe the firmware has been changed somehow but then, pure ALSA works on Ubuntu too. So it was pointless.
[12:15] <felco> I mean, under normal circustances not will mess the soundcard itself
[12:16] <sentiment> I feel like ALSA does not talk the mic input to the audio server .
[12:16] <sentiment> Where's the config for that? asoundrc?
[12:16] <felco> maybe you can find better help in a community thats works with those stuff, like vlc
[12:17] <sentiment> but this is pure recording issues, not playback.
[12:17] <felco> i know, but you need better understanding of the underlyning stuff
[12:17] <sentiment> I should add that the volume meter in the mic input panel of pulseaudio moves when I talk. But it doesn't "show" the mic input to other applications.
[12:17] <sentiment> how could that happen?
[12:18] <felco> this is a guess, but you have tried to mix everything?
[12:18] <felco> mic and line in?
[12:18] <felco> usually you have a switch that mix everything on alsamixer
[12:18] <sentiment> not intentionally. I haven't done that no.
[12:18] <sentiment> hmm
[12:18] <felco> just to try if you get any input
[12:18] <sentiment> you men stereo mix? it's off.
[12:19] <ThinkT510> tatertots: just !info
[12:19] <felco> i dont remember what its called
[12:20] <sentiment> the issue is just that: pulseaudio or pipewire do no expose the mic input to other programs.
[12:20] <sentiment> as said, the mic input meter moves in the PA panel.
[12:21] <sentiment> somehow someone knowledgeable about such stuff would be able to resolve it given those hints.
[12:21] <felco> yes, i guess
[12:21] <sentiment> Hints:
[12:21] <sentiment> PA mi level moves.
[12:21] <sentiment> arecord works without PA running.
[12:21] <sentiment> other apps do not see the mic port at all.
[12:23] <gordonjcp> sentiment: PA takes over everything to do with sound and provides its own interfacs
[12:23] <gordonjcp> *interfaces
[12:23] <gordonjcp> sentiment: you'll need to use something that can talk to PA's own magic method to record audio
[12:24] <gordonjcp> it's literally the worst of all possible worlds
[12:24] <gordonjcp> I honestly don't know why every distro uses it
[12:24] <sentiment> used to work though.
[12:24] <gordonjcp> pulseaudio is fundamentally broken
[12:24] <sentiment> because there was no alternative arguably?
[12:24] <mort> Is there a nice way to download libraries for cross-compilation? E.g I'm on x86_64, but I want libz built for aarch64 to use with aarch64-linux-gnu-gcc
[12:25] <felco> i liked alsa better, but then i dont have any specials needs towards sound stuff
[12:25] <sentiment> me too, no special needs either.
[12:25] <felco> i mean, control wise
[12:26] <sentiment> what does this line mean to you? in the output of pactl ----> analog-input-front-mic: Front Microphone (type: Mic, priority: 8500, availability group: Legacy 1, not available)
[12:26] <sentiment> it says not available at the end
[12:26] <sentiment> why?
[12:26] <felco> sentiment maybe you can try livecd ubuntu i see if it works out-of-the-box there, if so, you may go deeper troubleshooting or else change your distro
[12:26] <ogra> mort, try https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO ...
[12:27] <felco> sentiment maybe it sees the mic as diconnected, which would be bad start
[12:27] <sentiment> why would it though, given those hints above.
[12:27] <sentiment> this is rather confusing . :/
[12:28] <felco> yeah I know, you may like debian
[12:28] <felco> worth a shot
[12:28] <sentiment> why though?
[12:28] <felco> it is pretty much similar to ubuntu and it may work outofthebox
[12:29] <sentiment> I thought downstream distros are better streamlined?
[12:29] <felco> well.. distros are usally very personal choice
[12:29] <sentiment> also "it MAY work" doesn't cut it for me unfortunately.
[12:29] <ogra> sentiment, have you tried using pavucontrol ? it gives you a lot more options to manage pulse setups
[12:29] <felco> in the end, you can pretty much build whatever you want
[12:29] <ogra> (perhaps there is a toggle in it that simply enables your mic)
[12:30] <sentiment> ogra: please see this link: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2462882
[12:30] <sentiment> and please read above too. I said the mic input meter moves in the PA panel.
[12:31] <ogra> sounds like you should file a bug then ...
[12:31] <felco> yeah
[12:31] <sentiment> I'm fine with that if it increases the chance of a solution.
[12:31] <sentiment> Where?
[12:32] <ogra> sentiment, "ubuntu-bug pulseaudio"
[12:32] <ogra> just from a terminal
[12:32] <sentiment> oh ok, so it's not like a newsgroup.
[12:32] <ogra> alternatively launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+filebug ... but that wont collect configs/settings and logs
[12:33] <sentiment> that wouldn't give me any likely solution though would it?
[12:33] <ogra> it will make the devs working on pulse aware of the issue so there is at least a chance it gets fixed
[12:33] <sentiment> I know.
[12:34] <ogra> no developer reads the forums ... so to ever get it fixed a bug needs to be filed
[12:34] <sentiment> however I'm inclined to believe it's a problem with ALSA connectivity to sound servers.
[12:34] <ogra> else nobody will be aware that there is an iaaue at all
[12:34] <sentiment> because it is happening with pipewire-pulse as well.
[12:34] <ogra> *issue
[12:34] <ogra> might be
[12:34] <sentiment> so are there any configs worth checking out?
[12:35] <sentiment> like asoundrc? (which is advised against anyways(
[12:35] <ogra> probably an issue with alsa-ucm ... simply not providing the correct device to pulse/pipewire
[12:35] <ogra> the ubuntu-bug tool usually collects all relevant logs
[12:35] <sentiment> oh that seems to ring a bell... I say that ucm somewhere while reading configs and commands
[12:36] <mort> ogra: I'm not able to add either aarch64, arm64 or aarch64-linux-gnu as architectures
[12:36] <ogra> mort, "arm64" should be the dpkg architecture
[12:36] <felco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchCross
[12:37] <mort> really? arm64 causes a bunch of 404s, while aarch64 just causes a bunch of "skipping acquire of configured file blah as repository blah doesn't support architecture aarch64"
[12:37] <sentiment> ogra: any jumpstart to that alsaucm command?
[12:37] <sentiment> I'm reading its man page
[12:38] <ogra> not really ... has been years ago that i had to touch it ...
[12:38] <sentiment> ALSA lib parser.c:2152:(load_toplevel_config) Unable to find the top-level configuration file '/usr/share/alsa/ucm2/ucm.conf'.
[12:38] <ogra> mort, oh, the sources.list entries you mean ? the server is different for arm ... "ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports"
[12:38] <sentiment> is that a problem? no ucm.conf?
[12:39] <mort> ogra: so what it says about dpkg --add-architecture isn't correct for arm?
[12:39] <ogra> mort, dpkg --add-architecture arm64
[12:40] <ogra> that should enable it
[12:40] <ogra> and then "deb [arch=arm64] http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports focal main universe" in sources.list
[12:41] <ogra> (and whatever other pockets you need in there)
[12:43] <mort> alright, after manually adding the ports.ubuntu.com repos it seems to work
[12:43] <ogra> 👍
[12:43] <mort> still a lot of 404s though, because the existing repos don't have arm64 versions
[12:45] <mort> do I have to manually go through and add [arch=amd64] for all repos which don't have arm stuff?
[12:46] <ogra> no, you should only add that one line i gave you above to the end of your sources.list
[12:46] <ogra> then run apt update ...
[12:46] <ogra> and then apt install libfoo:arm64  ... for the lib you want
[12:49] <mort> but then apt-get update looks like this: https://p.mort.coffee/vaN
[12:49] <mort> it works, but returns a non-zero exit code and prints a bunch of errors because it tries to find the arm64 version of the normal ubuntu archives
[12:55] <ogra> mort, can you paste your sources.list too ? you should really only add that one line for arm64 that i gave above, not edit any existing lines
[12:56] <ogra> (and indeed s/focal/hirsute/ in my line for your release)
[12:58] <tieinv> `
[12:58] <mort> ogra: https://p.mort.coffee/P4A.list
[12:59] <mort> all that's from ubuntu itself except for the last linve
[12:59] <weq> is there any method to install "additional software" to a snap package... ?
[12:59] <ogra> and you get these errors when simply running "apt update" ?
[13:02] <mort> ogra: yeah
[13:02] <ogra> very strange
[13:24] <FreeBDSM> hi. I need help with apt's error preventing me from updating packages. The error is: `E: The package docker-ce needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.`
[13:25] <FreeBDSM> and I even get the same error when I do `sudo apt -y remove docker-ce`!
[13:28] <mgedmin> can you pastebin the full error?
[13:34] <mgedmin> there's no docker-ce package in the ubuntu archives, so you must've had some 3rd-party repo enabled
[13:34] <mgedmin> I see dpkg has an option --force-remove-reinstreq, but I don't know if it would be a good idea to use it
[13:49] <Guest93> 20.04LTS youtube-dl package is out of date enough that it no longer works. Can't create launchpad account, someone else able to report it?
[13:49] <FreeBDSM> mgedmin: yeah, googled that solution as well, went with it, thanks
[14:05] <locsmif> Hi all. I want to add a locale, but if I e.g. run localedef nl_NL.UTF-8 the process enters a state S and does nothing?
[14:07] <hggdh> locsmif: localedef is a *compiler* for locale data. It is in S probably because it is waiting user input (the data to be compiled).
[14:08] <hggdh> locsmif: you probably want 'setlocale', or similar
[14:09] <ogra> locale-gen i think ...
[14:12] <locsmif> ogra: I mistook this system for Ubuntu-based (I'm dealing with dozens :|) but it's Debian. dpkg-reconfigure locales as root worked
[14:12] <ogra> ah, indeed
[14:12] <locsmif> Not sure if that matters much but it may?
[14:12] <ogra> (thats a no-op on ubuntu nowadays i think)
[14:13] <locsmif> Ah
[14:13] <locsmif> Yeah, we have mainly Ubuntu here but there are a few exceptions
[14:13] <ogra> you'd just call locale-gen fo_FO.OO
[14:19] <sentiment> Hello , I have a question. Are ucm profiles necessary for a sound card to work properly?
[14:20] <sentiment> why am I asking? because: -----------> alsa-lib main.c:1021:(snd_use_case_mgr_open) error: failed to import hw:0 (empty configuration)
[14:20] <sentiment> Found hardware: "HDA-Intel" "VIA VT1705" "HDA:11064397,101905b3,00100000" "0x1019" "0x05b3"
[14:20] <sentiment> ^ that error
[14:25] <ogra> sentiment, the majority of cards doesnt need UCM ... this is really rather for complex cards with many in/outputs usually
[14:41] <Livero> Hi. I'm trying to find a program that allows me to resize unresizeable windows forcefully. Unfortunately, I have no luck finding one. Does anyone know something like that?
[14:45] <leftyfb> Livero: I don't think that's a thing. Why do you need to do that?
[14:45] <braewoods> Livero: doesn't really exist.
[14:45] <braewoods> Livero: they're unresizeable for a reason typically.
[14:45] <entuland> Livero - what's the point of that? if the window can't be resized, chances are that even if you force it to have a different size the contents wouldn't get arranged accordingly
[14:46] <entuland> I know many programs that lay out the widgets assuming a specific size and in some cases they "forgot" to make the window fixed in size, which resulted in the program simply showing blank around the widgets (right + bottom) or clipping the interface
[14:47] <urth> the kde window manager allows for some forced window settings but I don't know if it works on unresizeable windows
[14:47] <entuland> (I mean, that happens if you resize the window anyways)
[14:49] <lokiichoco> \quit
[14:50] <entuland> I found hits about wmctrl which may be able to do so or not, can't find mentions of fixed size windows
[14:51] <urth> Livero: if you want to resize a window without a border, most window managers allow that via ALT+right click
[14:59] <Livero> urth: It does have a border. It just won't let me resize it.
[15:00] <Livero> Also, I don't think Alt+right click works for me. Resize is greyed out, even for windows I can resize
[15:02] <entuland> Livero you tried wmctrl as well?
[15:53] <Abrax> why did you move here
[15:55] <entuland> you mean here on Libera?
[15:56] <lotuspsychje_> #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic please Abrax
[16:24] <Travis> Hello.  Can Mac programs be installed on Ubuntu?
[16:25] <Toadisattva> most everything not proprietary to apple should have a linux alternative
[16:25] <Toadisattva> er linux version as it were
[16:25] <Travis> Well, maybe not.  Paltalk does not have a Linux version.
[16:25] <Travis> I wish it did.
[16:28] <ogra> Travis, https://snapcraft.io/sosumi perhaps ?
[16:28] <cbreak> Travis: it is possible to install MacOS in a VM via Qemu / KVM on linux
[16:29] <gordonjcp> yup
[16:29] <gordonjcp> it even works, too
[16:29] <cbreak> this will not be productively usable though, unless you somehow dedicate a whole GPU to it
[16:29] <Travis> I don't have that OS.
[16:29] <gordonjcp> Travis: what are you trying to do?
[16:29] <node1> Hi
[16:29] <Travis> I am trying to install Paltalk onto Ubuntu.
[16:30] <Travis> I gave up on the Mac version, as that is what came up, when I accessed the website via Ubuntu.
[16:30] <cbreak> I don't really want to post a link to it here, but if you search for OSX-KVM you should find stuff... wouldn't recommend it for anything serious though.
[16:31] <Travis> If I can get my other radio programs to work, I may switch to Ubuntu full time.
[16:31] <Toadisattva> it appears it has a windows version?
[16:31] <Toadisattva> maybe you can just run it in wine?
[16:31] <tatertots> Paltalk can probably be used with a browser also...firefox/chrome
[16:31] <tatertots> Paltalk is pretty basic
[16:31] <cbreak> it does look like Discord?
[16:31] <Travis> no
[16:32] <Travis> Paltalk doesn't have a web-based chat anymore.
[16:32] <Travis> I am trying that now, Toadisattva
[16:36] <DrkTremos> evening people
[16:42] <sima> hi, I updated 20.04 minimal install (advanced) and added xubuntu packages for desktop, then updated to 20.10 nd now to 21.04 with ' do-release-upgrade -d '
[16:42] <Travis> I have the program installed, yet get zero sound from the software.
[16:43] <sima> But every time after logging in, it pops-up with some warning about reporting bug/having an error to report
[16:44] <sima> Since I am preparing the laptop for relatively average user, I don't want qestions like, Why Ubuntu always want to report some error. How do I stop him from doing that and maybe report it and make that pop-up go away?
[16:46] <sima> maybe it's about apt-btrfs-snapshot not working by default, without installing additional required packages (not listed as dependencies)
[16:47] <alkisg> sima: https://askubuntu.com/questions/135540/what-is-the-whoopsie-process-and-how-can-i-remove-it
[16:47] <alkisg> You can see the existing crash dumps with: ls /var/crash
[16:54] <cbreak> people actually use btrfs?
[16:55] <cbreak> if you don't, you might be able to just systemctl disable the btrfs related services / units... or remove them?
[17:02] <sima> alkisg, huh, I just removed everything from /var/crash Thanks.
[17:02]  * sima will re-login to see if it re-appears
[17:28] <Chunkyz-RPi> what's ubuntu's software centre called on 21.04?
[17:28] <Lerner> I just install Ubuntu 21.04 and I tried to install XRDP using "sudo apt install xrdp" but it just says "Unable to locate package xrdp"
[17:28] <Chunkyz-RPi> so I can install it?
[17:29] <cbreak> Lerner: sudo apt update && apt search xrdp
[17:29] <Lerner> I did the first already
[17:30] <cbreak> on my 21.04 it finds xrdp/hirsute 0.9.12-1.1 amd64 among others
[17:30] <Lerner> The second says "Sorting... Done." then "Full Text Search... Done" and that's it
[17:30] <Chunkyz-RPi> Lerner: do you have multiverse/universe enabled?
[17:30] <cbreak> https://packages.ubuntu.com/hirsute/xrdp
[17:31] <Lerner> I don't know how to do that
[17:31] <cbreak> there's a checkbox for it in the Software & Update settings
[17:32] <Lerner> i'll try and come back
[17:32] <cbreak> Ubuntu Software > Downloadable from the Internet > Community-Maintained free and open-source software (universe)
[17:33] <Chunkyz-RPi> cbreak: what's the software center package name?
[17:35] <ioria> Chunkyz-RPi, on 21.04 you should have the snap ver. (snap-store), but you can also install gnome-software, if you want
[17:36] <Chunkyz-RPi> I'm trying to stay away from snap, what's the gnome-software package name ioria ?
[17:36] <ioria> !info gnome-software
[17:36] <ubot3> gnome-software (3.38.1-1, hirsute): Software Center for GNOME. In component universe, is optional. Built by gnome-software. Size 876 kB / 6,835 kB
[17:37] <ioria> that ^
[17:37] <Chunkyz-RPi> nvm!
[17:37] <Chunkyz-RPi> thanks!
[17:37] <ioria> ok
[17:39] <Chunkyz-RPi> ioria: what's the snap store package name? sorry.
[17:39] <ioria> snap-store
[17:40] <Chunkyz-RPi> don't think so ioria
[17:40] <Chunkyz-RPi> ioria> snap-store
[17:40] <Chunkyz-RPi> oops
[17:40] <Chunkyz-RPi> E: Unable to locate package snap-store
[17:40] <Lerner> That was it. Enabled universe/multiverse and was able to install xrdp. Thanks.
[17:41] <ioria> it's not a regular pkg; snap find snap-store
[17:41] <ioria> Chunkyz-RPi, ^^
[17:42] <ioria> Chunkyz-RPi, you cannot find/install/remove  snaps with apt tools
[17:55] <Anna_> jeremy31: the "xrandr --output LVDS1 --off" command didn't work on installer's terminal
[17:55] <nomike> Hi
[17:55] <Anna_> can we try plan B ?
[17:56] <jeremy31> Anna_: My idea was to disconnect the broken monitor
[17:57] <Anna_> and TJ was telling the same. But how?
[17:58] <nomike> I'm running ubuntu 20.10. A few days/weeks ago update manager offered me to upgrade to 21.04. Id didn't upgrade back then and I know there was this issue with upgrading and upgrades where temporarily disabled. But AFAIK these issues have been solved for some time now and when I run "do-release-upgrade" I'm just told there aren't any new releases.
[17:58] <nomike> Is the upgrade still delayed and I just need to be patient, or could if be an indication that something is wrong?
[17:58] <jeremy31> Anna_: Look up monitor replacement for your model, likely a youtube video
[18:01] <Anna_> jeremy31: I copied him
 Anna_: there is a way to add an option to the kernel command-line when the installer bootloader starts, and that would allow you to disable the laptop display and therefore the VGA display should be used by the installer. The option to add would be:  "video=LVDS1:d". I have to go so I cannot talk you through that process, but others here can. It's generally a case of first identifying whether the installer is booting in BIOS mode (and thus
[18:01] <Anna_> uses the syslinux bootloader) or UEFI mode (and uses GRUB) - depending on which it is, the process of editing the kernel command line is different
[18:04] <Deuteranopia>
[18:04] <jeremy31> Anna_: to do that you have to press 'e' during boot to edit the grub command line and put that bit next to quiet splash
[18:08] <jeremy31> Anna_: it might need to be video=LVDS-1:d
[18:09] <Anna_> do what? the editing? He said i need to identify something else first...
[18:14] <jeremy31> Anna_: I am doing some checking on the grub
[18:14] <Anna_> ok
[18:18] <jeremy31> Anna_: adding the video=LVDS-1:d  should disable lvds if that is what xrandr showed the connected monitor to be
[18:21] <Anna_> jeremy31: was it? you tell me ---> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jx5SWPfjkC/
[18:21] <Aavar> how can I list large files/directories on my drive? I managed to move some files to my / drive instead of deleting them, but I cant seem to find out where they went (the drive is at 100%)
[18:22] <jeremy31> Anna_: It should work
[18:24] <Anna_> jeremy32: so all I have to do is press "e" while boot from usb and then blindly type "video=LVDS-1:d" ?
[18:26] <MikeB> When will Ubuntu member cloak be available on liberachat?
[18:26] <jeremy31> Anna_: the second monitor doesn't work at boot?
[18:26] <jeremy31> MikeB: ask in #ubuntu-irc have the URL to your LP page ready and have it updated with your Libera nick
[18:27] <Anna_> you mean the external one?
[18:27] <jeremy31> Anna_: yes
[18:28] <|macallan|> Hi, still getting used to ubuntu and gnome (from previous kubuntu). One thing I use fairly often both on kubuntu and windows is the "windows button" and arrow to fit for example to apps side by side to fill the screen. is there an equalent shortcut in gnome?
[18:29] <Anna_> jeremy31: in all cases, including while on installer from usb, the external monitor is my only hope to see something. It works, just not with the right resolution. It's the internal that doesn't work at all.
[18:32] <jeremy31> Anna_: any chance you can go through the menus on the external monitor and see if screen size can be adjusted?  Is the aspect ratio the same, neither monitor a wide screen?
[18:32] <rfm> Aavar, "ncdu" is popular for displaying file/directory usage and drilling down into the directories
[18:36] <MTecknology> In default ubuntu 21.04, how do I configure virtual desktops? I know where the option /used/ to be (settings > appearance > enable workspaces), but the option doesn't seem to be available.
[18:37] <rfm> Aavar, the older way is "du -x / | sort -rn } less" if you don't have ncdu installed and can't because root is full...
[18:38] <ThinkT510> MTecknology: gnome makes a new workspace when the current one has an app open on it
[18:40] <MTecknology> ThinkT510: then it seems I'm missing how to switch to it
[18:40] <ThinkT510> MTecknology: open activities and the workspaces are on the right
[18:41] <Anna_> jeremy31: No chance I could navigate on any menu. I don't know what aspect ratio has each, but it doesn't seem to be the same. The external is as bulky as a usual monitor from the 80s could be. The internal is wider, but not too wide. A normal internal monitor for a normal 15.4 laptop.
[18:42] <MTecknology> ThinkT510: I don't see any workspaces... just a list of apps
[18:45] <jeremy31> Anna_: So grub menu doesn't appear?
[18:46] <ThinkT510> MTecknology: do you have an app open?
[18:46] <MTecknology> well, not "list," it's thumbnails of open apps; either way, not workspaces
[18:46] <MTecknology> I have a few open, yes.
[18:47] <ThinkT510> is there one that's empty?
[18:48] <MTecknology> nope
[18:49] <ThinkT510> could you send a screenshot please?
[18:49] <ThinkT510> !screenshot
[18:49] <ubot3> Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://imgur.com/ and link the created page here.
[18:51] <MTecknology> ThinkT510: https://i.imgur.com/eO5TiLz.png
[18:51] <Anna_> jeremy31: by pressing "e" while boot from usb you mean? I remember something appeared last time I tried to press "e", but I couldn't even recognize what it was. Now, of you meant the regular boot menu, someone advised me to use a program called grub customizer. Selecting to boot the "right" OS between the installed but unsupported Windows 7 and the equally unsupported Ubuntu MATE 16.04 is something I can do. The only problem I managed to solve
[18:51] <Anna_> during this frustrating week.
[18:52] <ThinkT510> MTecknology: I can see it to the right
[18:52] <MTecknology> ah...
[18:52] <MTecknology> I see it now
[18:53] <MTecknology> Where an I see the keys for switching between and switching while bringing the app with?
[18:55] <Josh_2> Hi I got quite the problem on my server, https://dpaste.com/2868WR6ZN can anyone tell me how to sort this out?
[18:57] <Josh_2> tried to do an upgrade & update
[19:00] <Bright> Hi, is anyone using Srain to chat?
[19:00] <Bright> The config instructions on this page of https://doc.srain.im/en/stable-1.2/config.html is difficult for me.
[19:00] <Josh_2> Thats how I ended up in this situation, cant really do anything now :(
[19:00] <jeremy31> Anna_: I am doing a check on an ISO customizer program, hopefully it can change the default command line so it will use your external monitor
[19:00] <Bright> My aim is to keep only "Libera Chat" in the list of servers, using auto-login with username and password. Can anyone help me?
[19:04] <genii> Josh_2: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libpython3.9-minimal_3.9.5-3~20.10.1_amd64.deb
[19:06] <Anna_> Bright: Libera.Chat is not a server, it's a network. Even I know that. For saving your preferences you need a good client. Maybe HexChat if you're on a desktop, but don't ask me how to install it. I found it already installed on my brother's laptop. Not really an expert.
[19:10] <ravage> apt install hexchat
[19:10] <ravage> its not that difficult :)
[19:10] <Anna_> that
[19:12] <Bright> Anna, thanks for your recommendation. I have installed HexChat.
[19:13] <Bright> Thank you ,ravage
[19:14] <Anna_> Bright: On HexChat select Networks list , then use the favor button to select favorites and then ckick the option "show favorites only"
[19:15] <Anna_> that's how I did it
[19:16] <Bright> Yes, thanks! I've been using HexChat for a long time. Just found srain, it has a beautiful interface
[19:16] <jeremy31> Bright: see https://askubuntu.com/questions/1339682/how-do-i-connect-to-libera-chat-with-hexchat that will show you how to add Libera to the server list in hexchat
[19:18] <Anna_> I have no idea if HexChat is the best there is. It's what my brother uses, so not really mine the recomendation. Blame him if it won't worl for you :-P
[19:18] <Anna_> work
[19:18] <Bright> xD
[19:29] <Josh_2> genii: tyvm!
[19:29] <genii> Josh_2: Glad to assist
[19:37] <Josh_2> okay, now thats fixed. I am starting postgres with systemctl start postgresql, however when I run ps -e | grep post I get no output
[19:37] <Josh_2> same if I use /etc/init.d/postgresql start
[19:39] <oerheks> systemctl status postgresql
[19:39] <oerheks> journalctl -xe # couls also be a help
[19:40] <Josh_2> https://dpaste.com/5E5YDF5AZ
[19:40] <Josh_2> output from journalctl -xe
[19:41] <Josh_2> oo got a problem with my config
[19:47] <Josh_2> Okay got it :D
[19:56] <Anna_> jeremy31: any luck with that program?
[19:57] <jeremy31> Anna_: No, I can't get it to change the ISO to disable my internal like I can by changing grub
[19:57] <Anna_> So there is no solution?
[19:58] <alkisg> Anna_: are you trying to get the correct resolution in the external monitor, and disable the internal? Did you try: xrandr --output LVDS1 --off; xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1024x768 ?
[20:00] <Anna_> alkisg: is this 1 big command or two?
[20:00] <jeremy31> Anna_: you might have to wait for tom or disconnect the laptop monitor.  On this laptop I can read from an external monitor in BIOS and the Grub menu
[20:00] <jeremy31> Anna_: one command
[20:01] <alkisg> Anna_: there are two commands, paste them in a single line, the question mark properly separates them:    xrandr --output LVDS1 --off; xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1024x768
[20:01] <Anna_> I have tried "xrandr --output LVDS1 --off" as TJ had suggested and nothing happened. he never mentioned that's only the half of it
[20:02] <alkisg> That would disable your internal monitor, without changing the external monitor resolution
[20:02] <alkisg> So if your internal monitor is broken, you wouldn't see any change
[20:03] <Anna_> the second half sets the resolution on 1024x768?
[20:03] <alkisg> Yes
[20:03] <alkisg> It's what your xrandr says that the monitor supports
[20:04] <Anna_> I don't think the external can support that. It's an ancient monitor (from the 80s)
[20:04] <alkisg> If you're afraid to try, then try this: xrandr --output LVDS1 --off; xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1024x768; sleep 10; xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 800x600
[20:05] <alkisg> That big command will set the 1024x768 resolution for 10 seconds, then revert to your current 800x600 one
[20:05] <alkisg> So you'll see if it supports 1024 as it claims, or not
[20:06] <Anna_> I'm not afraid. Worst case scenario, I drag the usb stick out and restart.
[20:08] <jeremy31> Anna_: wasn't the main thing to be able to install a new version of Ubuntu?
[20:11] <Anna_> jeremy31: I'd like to be able to see graphics while installing it, because, frankly, I'm not sure if I want xubuntu. i might have to try to install a new distro several times. So, no, installing is not the main thing. the main thing is whether I can "hack" the resolution with 1 crappy monitor and 1 totally broken.
[20:12] <Anna_> Simply put, I had enough with "ready" computers from my brother. I want to select on my own.
[20:13] <jeremy31> The big problem is that the monitor isn't completely broken, as it thinks it is connected
[20:14] <Anna_> yes, I got that. Just a minute...
[20:18] <Anna_> I'm trying to understand what alkisg said... alkisg, did you call "question mark" this symbol ---> ";" ?!? ...are you Greek?
[20:18] <alkisg> Anna_: yes sorry, that's question mark in greek, while I should say "half colon" or however it's called in english :)
[20:18] <Anna_> LOL
[20:18] <alkisg> It's a command separator in any case
[20:19] <alkisg> *semicolon :)
[20:19] <Anna_> thank god you didn't call it "half-ass" ha ha ha
[20:20] <alkisg> Haha
[20:20] <jeremy31> Only Americans say that
[20:21] <Aavar> Is there a tool to show what is taking up space? On a server (terminal/ncurses)
[20:22] <tomreyn> Aavar: ncdu
[20:23] <Anna_> hello tomreyn :)
[20:23] <Aavar> tomreyn: THank you.
[20:23] <tomreyn> hi Anna_
[20:23] <tomreyn> you're welcome Aavar
[20:25] <Aavar> tomreyn: do you know if I can Exclude more than one directory?
[20:26] <Aavar> found it :)
[20:27] <Anna_> Aavar: If you were on MATE, I would recomend MATE Disk Analyzer. You can select any disk or folder with that. I'm going to follow alkisg's suggestion now. I'll return in very few minutes if that won't work. ASre you going to be here, tomreyn?
[20:28] <tomreyn> Anna_: i'll have some supper and watch some tv, but should be back later. do you need me specifically?
[20:29] <Aavar> hmm... my syslog is 116GB... How can that be? Could it be that logrotate is not working? should that be rotated via cron?
[20:30] <tomreyn> Aavar: syslog as in /var/log/syslog ?
[20:30] <Anna_> I;kk update you on your initial suggestions if you're interested, plus everyone here seem to trust you and recomend you as top adviser. See you later
[20:30] <tomreyn> hah, thanks. there are certainly more experienced people posting here, though.
[20:31] <Aavar> tomreyn: Yes
[20:32] <Aavar> I think that was managed by cron before. Maybe systemd has taken over?
[20:32] <tomreyn> Aavar: it should get rotated in deed, unless you removed logrotate
[20:32] <Aavar> tomreyn: is that a package?
[20:32] <tomreyn> systemd managed rsyslogd, which is the default syslog daemon on ubuntu.
[20:33] <tomreyn> systemd also has its own logging service, but not syslog compatible. it is systemd-journald
[20:33] <tomreyn> use journalctl to control it
[20:33] <Aavar> tomreyn: I can see that the logrotate.service is not running... I'll try to enable and run it.
[20:34] <Aavar> or is it managed by logrotate.timer?
[20:34] <tomreyn> i assume so, but don't have a system using this at hand.
[20:35] <Aavar> haha! I ran the service by hand and gained 115 GB...
[20:36] <tomreyn> if you don't need logs in syslogd format, you could consider purging rsyslogd and the logs at /var/log/syslog* and instead use journald, enable persistent journals by creating /var/log/journal (if it does not already exist)
[20:36] <Aavar> I guess there is something wrong with the timer...
[20:36] <Aavar> tomreyn: I have not learned to use journald yet, so I want to keep the logs for now.
[20:36] <tomreyn> could be, or something logs to syslog with high frequency
[20:37] <illuminated> how do you remove apt's cache?
[20:37] <illuminated> package cache
[20:37] <tomreyn> okay, tv break now, ttyl
[20:37] <illuminated> and refresh it
[20:38] <Aavar> illuminated: apt clean and apt update
[20:38] <Bright> hi,all. How to enable google chrome HW acceleration in wayland, I'm using GNOME.
[20:39] <illuminated> thanks
[20:39] <illuminated> this is really annoying me
[20:39] <illuminated> I added the microsoft repo
[20:39] <illuminated> did an apt update
[20:39] <illuminated> did an apt search powershell
[20:39] <illuminated> shows fine in the listings
[20:39] <illuminated> then do an apt install -y powershell
[20:39] <illuminated> and it says no package found
[20:40] <illuminated> is this a problem with their repo
[20:40] <illuminated> or something on my end?
[20:40] <illuminated> "unable to locate package powershell" is the exact error
[20:41] <Aavar> illuminated: did you follow a guide?
[20:41] <illuminated> yeah on ms's site
[20:43] <Aavar> ahh... I did not solve anything. I was using the wrong machine :P
[20:45] <Aavar> illuminated: this one?
[20:45] <Aavar> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/scripting/install/installing-powershell-core-on-linux?view=powershell-7.1
[20:45] <illuminated> yeah
[20:46] <illuminated> I figured it out
[20:46] <illuminated> this is an old 32 bit system I'm trying to dump it on
[20:46] <illuminated> the packages apt search finds are only for 64 bit
[20:47] <Aavar> should I be worried? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/htysTBBqHQ/ from syslog
[21:14] <Thete> Aavar: if those numbers start climing yah
[21:14] <Thete> might help to have backups if you don't
[21:15] <Aavar> Thete: I do, but this should be a healty raid...
[21:15] <Thete> drives fail though
[21:16] <Aavar> They do... and they are of a similar vintage... Maybe I should move the files to a new raid... I do have one set up.
[21:16] <Aavar> I'll keep an eye on it for now.
[21:17] <Thete> what does smartctl say?
[21:17] <Thete> are you seeing lot of errors on those devices specifically?
[21:21] <Anna_> alkisg: it didn't work
[21:22] <Anna_> tomreyn: how can you login on tty terminal since there is no account to login for a distro not installed yet?
[21:23] <Aavar> Anna_: I believe the login is ubuntu with no password.
[21:25] <Aavar> I am still struggling with setting up bridged containers with bridged network. I have managed to create a bridge on my system but when I connect a container to the bridge it stops the connection to the host (to the network). I am following this guide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgBbhrv3KQg
[21:25] <Aavar> There is something very wrong with my setup...
[21:41] <tomreyn> Anna_: i did not know (or realize?) you were referring to an installer. but i think Aavar was right. Have you given this a try?
[21:44] <tomreyn> Aavar: thos disks you have a running hot. check your fans, increase air flow, reduce disks if needed. they'll die faster when running hot
[21:44] <Anna_> I will now. The proper command is still DISPLAY=:0 xrandr --size 800x600 ?
[21:45] <tomreyn> Anna_: i think you had been given better commands since, after you provided more details.
[21:46] <tomreyn> something where the primary, broken monitor is disabled, and the resizing applies to the secondary screen?
[21:46] <Anna_> And none of them worked.
[21:47] <jeremy31> Anna_: does the broken monitor do anything?
[21:47] <Anna_> the laptop's internal monitor is broken, but probably still detectable, and the external one supports only 800x600
[21:47] <tomreyn> i didn't follow the full conversation on that, so i'm not sure what you tried exactly and how those did not work. that makes it more difficult to come up with alternative approaches.
[21:47] <tomreyn> i had suggested trying to install ubuntu-server. i do not know whether it outputs to all monitors, but would hope it does.
[21:49] <Anna_> jeremy31: of course not, it's broken, what do you mean
[21:50] <jeremy31> Anna_: You did say it was Ubuntu 16.04?  I know there were some issues around that time with brightness settings with Intel graphics and it would require the user to use the FN combo to increase brightness
[21:51] <Anna_> No, it's really broken. Once upon a time FN was useful for what you said, but no matter. the monitor went completely black.
[21:51] <Anna_> no more*
[21:55] <Anna_> tomreyn: I wasn't expecting you to follow the entire conversation, I was talking for your suggestions only and whether there is update regarding them. Althoughg, to be honest, I did think you followed the conversation since you seem to know "better commands" were being given since you.
[21:56] <Anna_> I;m almost more confused now than when I started using this channel :(
[21:56] <tomreyn> Anna_: i noticed some nick highlights and had a quick look, but don'T expect me to have read or remember all that was said. ;)
[21:57] <oerheks> this is beyound ubuntu support, broken hardware, and an external monitor that does not meet the minimum specs of xorg, 1024x768
[21:58] <oerheks> get a different monitor, how hard could that be?
[21:58] <Anna_> So, should I use the initially suggested command on tty terminal (assuming I will be able to login) or not?
[22:01] <tomreyn> Anna_: trying whether or not you're able to login there should not be too difficult, would it? which version is this installer cd? which hardware is all this about anyways?
[22:01] <jeremy31> Anna_: I would take it to a computer shop and have the connected monitor disconnected if you do not want to do it
[22:02] <jeremy31> tomreyn: Toshiba Tecra IIRC
[22:02] <Anna_> oerheks: being totally broke and unemployed during a hard covid lockdown shouldn't be difficult for someone to understand or necessary for me to say, unless you want to embarrass me
[22:03] <Anna_> to make me feel embarrassed*
[22:04] <tomreyn> thanks jeremy. that's just a series, though. i understand that's all the info we have,t hough.
[22:04] <Anna_> it's a toshiba tecra A10-11M. the usb stick contains a xubuntu 20.04 iso
[22:05] <jeremy31> Anna_: you can ask a question at ubuntuforums.org that will make it easier for people to keep track of what has been suggested and what does and doesn't work
[22:06] <Travis> To whomever was helping me earlier, thank you!
[22:06] <Travis> I fixed the Paltalk issue in Wine.  I had to switch to Alsa, for my sound
[22:07] <Anna_> jeremy31: I'd like to try one last thing. The suggestion about the tty terminal seemed good. I only asked whether I should use the initially suggested command, because tomreyn said better commands were suggested since then?
[22:08] <tomreyn> Anna_: hmm that's indeed old - without meaning to insult you, it's just old hardware. but it's 64-bits, and apparently those systems have 2 GB RAM. 4 is recommended for current default ubuntu, but you can try something lighter such as xubuntu, lubuntu or the like.
[22:08] <Anna_> ram is 6gb
[22:09] <Anna_> it was extended
[22:09] <tomreyn> Anna_: oh nice! if you can get to a tty on the working monitor AND can take a photo of the    xrandr    output there that'll be helpful.
[22:09] <tomreyn> take a photo and upload that, that is
[22:12] <tomreyn> Anna_: umm sorry, i guess i didn't think much. you may not actually be able to switch the secondary monitor to a tty with a key combo. i think it will keep shopwing the graphical login, only the the first monitor would switch to a tty.
[22:15] <leftyfb> Anna_: did you try reaching out to that makerspace? They're usually community-orientated and willing to help out with this sort of thing. I know if someone were to reach out to the one around here, myself and many others would be willing to meet the person in the space to hook up a monitor and get the install going.
[22:17] <Anna_> I haven't tried the "ubuntu" username yet. Last time, the tty terminal was also hard to read (i was typing my usual username blindly) so I don't see how a photo would help. The photo will only show you the mess I see. It is either going to be fixed or not. leftyfb: That site announced they are closed due to covid.
[22:19] <tomreyn> Anna_: have you tried this while runnign the installer?
[22:19] <tomreyn> is "hard to read" because it was on the primary, broken, monitor?
[22:19] <leftyfb> Anna_: ah, right, Sun - Mon closed. Ok, well, if you don't get things going today, maybe you can reach out to them tomorrow
[22:20] <Anna_> the "ubuntu" username? Not yet. I have tried your initial suggestion but I couldn't login
[22:21] <Anna_> So, assuming the "ubuntu username and no password" backdoor works, should I use the "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr --size 800x600" command?
[22:22] <Anna_> leftyfb: no, they are all week closed, (lockdown)
[22:23] <leftyfb> Anna_: where does it say that on their site? I don't see that
[22:27] <oerheks> xrandr -s 800x600 # not display 0, that one should be the broken one.
[22:27] <Anna_> I also tried that guide ubot3 gave, but I couldn't edit the grub file
[22:27] <oerheks> i think it is not going to work.
[22:27] <Anna_> not that it would matter. that affects only the installed distro, right?
[22:39] <tomreyn> Anna_: when i gave you the "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr --size 800x600" command, i was assuming all sorts of things which, as further information you have since provided indicates, won't actually work for you.
[22:40] <Anna_> okay... so what now? another suggestion or no hope?
[22:43] <oerheks> in my experience; nope. maybe you can hook it on a TV in a livingroom?
[22:46] <Anna_> I never had a TV set. movies and news from internet for me. This old laptop wasn;t even mine. My brother gave it to me before he moved to another town.
[22:49] <Anna_> If you guys are 100% sure there is no way a solution to be found, I guess I should focus in finding someone who could lend me a monitor for awhile. Was I naive to believe my brother when he said "you can do everything with command line" ?? Maybe all this was a prank of his :(
[22:50] <cbreak> if you don't need graphics, the CLI is quite powerful
[22:50] <cbreak> if you want graphics, then... X is a lot more useful than a CLI
[22:57] <tomreyn> Anna_: what does the second monitor show when you boot from the usb? just a graphical image, or a black screne, or a login prompt, or...?
[22:58] <tomreyn> if you can can get a login on the working screen then you'll be in a much better position to fix this. but only then, i guess.
[23:00] <Anna_> You mean the external. It shows everything, but with the wrong resolution. I can see the xubuntu logo first, then little words at the bottom (probably loading) and then a graphical window, for which i assume it is a menu where i'm asked what i want to do, try the distro or install it and how. the only thing i can regognize is an image of a disk. No text is viewable at all.
[23:02] <tomreyn> Anna_: so try the server installer. i assume you have not done so, yet?
[23:03] <Anna_> Even the xubuntu logo is showing badly. Is that also graphical?
[23:06] <tomreyn> yes that's most likely graphical
[23:06] <Aavar> Ahh... I finally got lxd working like it should and now zfs is bugging. Can someone help me with zfs? the pool is not showing in "zpool status". It worked fine before the reboot. Can I mount or initialize it somehow?
[23:09] <Anna_> I was so desperate at a point that it crossed my mind to choose random options with the arrow keys, but I didn't cause I was afraid I might mistakenly order it to format the entire disk (while i have obnly a partition really available)
[23:10] <Aavar> I'll try a reboot. Brb..
[23:12] <Aavar> A reboot did not help...
[23:15] <Anna_> You know, instead of me sending photos, which is impossible, it would make more sense if I had screenshots of the installer's initial menu from someone.
[23:15] <Anna_> I'm not asking, just saying.
[23:19] <jeremy31> Anna_: The installer is different between UEFI and Legacy installs.   On xubuntu installer happens nothing if I wait long enough.
[23:24] <jeremy31> Anna_: I wish you luck but it is time for me to eat
[23:25] <Anna_> tomreyn: WOW how did you do that!!! are screenshots possible on instaler?
[23:25] <tomreyn> i ran it in a VM
[23:27] <Anna_> thank you jeremy31 ...okay... since the cursor is not just multiplied, but not even visible, can someone choose one of these options with tab button? (by the way, the first page is ridicoulously safe)
[23:29] <kota> join #openstack-snaps
[23:31] <remline> Are hirsute kernels still going to be released today? cf. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-sru-announce/2021-May/000179.html
[23:43] <Anna_> I'm thinking... maybe I could click the "try" option, just to start the OS and be able to use the xrandr command and then return to install. I assume the installation can begin from the trial session?
[23:46] <ravage> yes you can start the installation from the desktop in the live session
[23:47] <Anna_> Is it also logical to assume the xrandr would work during the live session?


[00:00] <panus> I read it may be a problem with xorg.conf file
[00:00] <panus> anyone have a clue?
[01:53] <Kasm279> help, my xubuntu cd seems not to work correctly
[01:54] <Kasm279> but it verified correctly
[01:57] <brandonban6> fellas, flash has got me going in circles! I could use some advice here. I've installed the adobe package, manually and with the installer. I have tried gnash, I have installed the flashplugin-nonfree. I have tried Opera and Firefox....and I can not get flashplayer to run at all. Websites like youtube  just show a blank screen. Any thoughts?
[02:00] <Shut-> hey, i burnt xubuntu live cd and it frezes up while i try to load it any idea why?
[02:04] <Kasm279> brandon, use kubunt and install xfce on it
[02:06] <brandonban6> thanks Kasm279, but I have put a lot a time configuring xubuntu and customizing it, I would rather not put up the white flag and do a re-install. There has to be some way to get this thing working.
[02:09] <Kasm279> i had the same problem with ubuntu
[02:10] <Kasm279> but kubuntu has flash with it
[02:11] <brandonban6> yeah, kubuntu is really nice. I like it....I just feel defeated you know? I really want to get this working and am determined to.
[02:11] <Kasm279> i know wat you mean
[02:14] <Kasm279> if you have the power, kubuntu is best
[02:15] <Kasm279> power>less power list
[02:15] <Kasm279> Kubuntu, Ubuntu, Xubuntu
[02:16] <cody-somerville> brandonban6, I can help you
[02:16] <cody-somerville> brandonban6, What version are you running?
[02:18] <brandonban6> hi cody-somerville, xubuntu version? 8.10
[02:19] <cody-somerville> brandonban6, Do you have adobe-flashplugin installed?
[02:19] <brandonban6> yep.
[02:20] <brandonban6> cody-somerville, I have <IP_ADDRESS>-2intrepid installed
[02:20] <brandonban6> cody-somerville, i meant that's the adobe-flashplugin version :)
[02:22] <cody-somerville> What does the following return?: update-alternatives --list xulrunner-flashplugin
[02:23] <brandonban6> three lines #1: update-alternatives --list xulrunner-flashplugin
[02:23] <brandonban6> update-alternatives --list xulrunner-flashplugin
[02:23] <brandonban6> update-alternatives --list xulrunner-flashplugin
[02:23] <brandonban6> lol, wait
[02:24] <brandonban6> /usr/lib/swfdec-mozilla/libswfdecmozilla.so
[02:24] <brandonban6> /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so
[02:24] <brandonban6> /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
[02:24] <brandonban6> cody-somerville,  those are the lines it puts out
[02:35] <cody-somerville> any of them have a star beside them?
[02:39] <brandonban6> negative, just as I pasted above, no stars.
[02:40] <cody-somerville> okay, do: sudo update-alternatives --config xulrunner-flashplugin
[02:40] <cody-somerville> Then select the number beside /usr/lib/adobe-flashplugin/libflashplayer.so
[02:42] <brandonban6> okay, then test it?
[02:42] <cody-somerville> restart firefox
[02:42] <cody-somerville> and it should hopefully work
[02:43] <brandonban6> doing the same thing, let me reboot the entire system really quick.
[02:44] <brandonban6> brb
[02:47] <brandonban6> cody-somerville, the video acts as if is playing (youtube) but the screen is black :(
[02:47] <cody-somerville> is this new?
[02:47] <Cerepol> sup
[02:47] <Cerepol> anyone know why it won't let me a create a root partiton?
[02:48] <Cerepol> hey
[02:48] <Cerepol> anyone here?
[02:48] <cody-somerville> yes...
[02:48] <Cerepol>  might just be idleing
[02:48] <Cerepol> you never know :)
[02:48] <Cerepol> anyways
[02:48] <Cerepol> how do I set a root file system
[02:49] <Cerepol> I can't seem to set one when I try to partition my drive manually
[02:50] <Cerepol> never mind I figured out why
[02:50] <brandonban6> cody-somerville, no. same thing it was doing before
[02:50] <Cerepol> seem's gparted wasn't reading the drive properly
[02:50] <cody-somerville> brandonban6, amd64?
[02:50] <Cerepol> needed a quick defrag
[02:51] <brandonban6> cody-somerville, i86
[02:51] <cody-somerville> brandonban6, weird, sounds like a bug :(
[02:52] <brandonban6> man!
[02:52] <Cerepol> what's going on?
[02:54] <brandonban6> Cerepol, flash player is not working, i've tried everything I can think of, using gnash, using the nonfree plugin, manually installing the adobe .so file.....and nothing.
[02:54] <brandonban6> Youtube or hulu, just shows up a blank. the video plays (you can see the status moving) but no picture or sound
[02:55] <Cerepol> in firefox?
[02:55] <brandonban6> and opera
[02:55] <Cerepol> no idea, never used opera
[02:55] <Cerepol> sorry :(
[02:55] <brandonban6> no problem.
[03:01] <brandonban6> how do I look a program's installation path?
[03:12] <brandonban6> holy crap!!! cody-somerville I got it working in Opera!!! Holy Crap!!!
[05:16] <n2diy> anybody concious and alert here?
[06:30] <ramontayag> hey all. i've got a compaq presario 1200 with a fresh install of xubuntu. i booted it up but the login screen is blank! i tried connecting an external monitor, and then restarted gnome, and then that's when the laptop shows the login screen. what should i do so I won't need to plugin a cable to make the laptop display something?
[06:50] <volta82> hi
[06:51] <volta82> i have ubuntu 8.10 on IBM T41 but sometimes it become freeze and i need to power it off then on
[06:51] <Kasm279> hello
[06:51] <volta82> hi
[07:00] <n2diy> wow, look at all the folks from Ubuntu!
[07:02] <n2diy> ramontayag: are you still here?
[07:02] <ramontayag> n2diy: yup! and i see you're in #ubuntu too
[07:04] <n2diy> ramontayag: yea, this channel was dead an hour and a half ago. Can you ID the video chip set? You may need "restricted drivers" for them?
[07:05] <ramontayag> n2diy: i'll try and ID it (will look around). although i'm no expert, it doesn't seem like i need the restricted drivers, because it works fine when I plugin a monitor (even if I don't make it display in the monitor just yet).
[07:32] <Wanyal> Is anyone here?
[07:32] <TheSheep> no
[07:32] <TheSheep> we don't exist :)
[07:32] <Wanyal> Can you help me? Xubuntu wont boot.
[07:32] <TheSheep> any details?
[07:33] <Wanyal> It's on a friend's laptop, and it's just been installed. Boots to a black screen after displaying the Xubuntu splash screen.
[07:33] <TheSheep> try the recovery mode
[07:33] <n2diy> IMG, life forms!
[07:33] <Wanyal> It has a 1.6Ghz processor, possibly an AMD, and has 386Mb of RAM
[07:33] <Wanyal> MB*
[07:34] <Wanyal> ive tried fixing xserv, but no change.
[07:34] <TheSheep> so the recovery mode works?
[07:34] <Wanyal> Well, i booted into the recover option in GRUB, but i have no idea what to do from there
[07:34] <xenocit> wait
[07:35] <xenocit> i now this question
[07:35] <xenocit> :)
[07:35] <xenocit> http://michaelminn.com/linux/toshiba1800/
[07:35] <xenocit> read this
[07:36] <n2diy> how do I enable remote VnC viewing? I installed a client and server, and can view other boxes, but this Xubuntu box refuses connections?
[07:37] <Wanyal> xenocit: i dont see anything thats relevant
[07:38] <TheSheep> Wanyal: the part about graphical environment freezing waiting for DCC seems relevant
[07:38] <TheSheep> Wanyal: do you have it running in recovery mode? when you press alt+f2, you will get a text terminal
[07:39] <TheSheep> Wanyal: can you type 'lspci | grep VGA' in it, to see what graphics card you have?
[07:39] <_Pete_> !vnc
[07:39] <xenocit> Wanyal, NoDDC
[07:40] <_Pete_> n2diy: I found out that this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC?action=show&redirect=VNCOverSSH#x11vnc
[07:40] <Wanyal> ah, right, thanks :)
[07:40] <_Pete_> is easiest method for me
[07:40] <_Pete_> e.g. when I need it I'll manually launch x11vnc
[07:41] <n2diy> _Pete_: thanks
[09:03] <MaxFrames> hello
[09:03] <knome> !hi | MaxFrames
[09:03] <MaxFrames> is it possible to choose a theme in the user interface and then tweak it a bit?
[09:04] <MaxFrames> I like the Darkroom theme, but with my current desktop I'd need the icons to have black text
[09:04] <MaxFrames> so I'd like to choose the darkroom theme and then change the icon label colour to black and leave the rest unchanged
[09:05] <knome> MaxFrames, not with a gui. you are free to change the gtk theme from /usr/share/themes/
[09:08] <MaxFrames> do you know what's the relevant parameter?
[14:36] <Slonkie> THe application "Remote Desktop Viewer" what sort of remote desktop is it capable of connecting to?
[14:37] <Slonkie> Would it be capable of connecting to a UltraVNC server ?
[14:38] <charlie-tca> !info vinagre
[14:38] <charlie-tca> That is the Remote Desktop Viewer
[14:44] <charlie-tca> should be capable of any connection, I think
[14:48] <Slonkie> All right
[14:49] <Slonkie> I'll try it out.
[15:29] <xenocit> hai hai
[16:20] <Melcom> any monderators to chat to?
[16:20] <charlie-tca> What up
[16:20] <charlie-tca> ?
[16:20] <Melcom> hi
[16:20] <charlie-tca> Hello
[16:21] <Melcom> can you please tell me how to become a monderator?
[16:21] <charlie-tca> I think you have to go to #ubuntu-irc and talk to them, but I am not sure
[16:21] <Melcom> Thanks for your kindness bye
[16:22] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[16:29] <zoredache> charlie-tca: was he wanting to be a mod here?   It seems generally Cody just gives permissions to people who hang out here a long time and are generally helpful
[16:31] <charlie-tca> I don't know.
[16:31] <charlie-tca> full moderator, I thought.
[16:44] <Myrtti> a troll who has been banned from #ubuntu, impersonating as a "ubuntu support rep"
[16:47] <charlie-tca> Then did I send it to the right place?
[16:47] <Myrtti> yeah, he was given the link to CoC there too
[16:48] <charlie-tca> oh, good!
[16:48] <charlie-tca> Always makes me wonder, when the question is "any moderators here?"
[18:14] <micahg> anyone have trouble of their panel settings disappearing with 4.6?
[18:14]  * TheSheep had the clipman disappearing regularly
[18:15] <micahg> I just found some packages not upgraded
[18:15] <micahg> I'll try that first
[18:17] <charlie-tca> like once a week or so?
[18:17] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: once a reboot
[18:18] <charlie-tca> Mine don't go that fast. Just once a week, I think, when the panels disappear for a day
[18:19] <TheSheep> it must be the new labor laws, they have a day off ;)
[18:20] <moodog> evening :)
[18:20] <TheSheep> an apple spy!
[18:25] <charlie-tca> :-)
[18:44] <KrisHome> Good evening, has anyone had any luck removing compiz and emerald from an Xubuntu install and reverted back to xfwm4? I've removed the compiz* and emerald packages with apt, but when I reboot I don't get any window decoration unless I run "xfwm4 --replace", but I have to do this every time I reboot. Any ideas?
[18:45] <TheSheep> clear your sessions in ~/.cache/sessions
[18:45] <TheSheep> also, revert any edits you did to config files
[18:46] <TheSheep> in particular the ones related to session and startup
[18:47] <KrisHome> Thanks TheSheep, just truncated the directory, now rebooting. I didn't modify any config files.
[18:48] <KrisHome> Worked perfectly, thanks again TheSheep
[19:12] <drozdak> hello all i'm having some problems with folder sharing between my xubuntu 8.04 machines: i've already added home folders of both xubuntu installations on system>shared folders in menu, but they aren't appearing anywhere in thunar, anyone know how to solve this problem?
[19:16] <TheSheep> thunar doesn't support network browsing, use other programs for that
[19:17] <TheSheep> you can use somehting like pyneighbourhood, or just mount the network in some directory with FUSE
[19:17] <TheSheep> the it will appear as regular files
[19:18] <drozdak> thanks a lot, i'll try pyneighbourhood
[23:50] <roffle7> I obviously get internet, but my network icon refuses to refresh and state "Yay, you have tubes"; When clicked it says "No valid Connections available" what's the dealio?\
[23:53] <charlie-tca> Using a wired connection?
[23:53] <genii> roffle7: When your /etc/network/interfaces file has an entry for some interface, the gui network app believes it is manually configured and doesn't try to do anything with it, even if it's already up and running.
[23:55] <roffle7> yes using a cat5(i know i know, too po' to upgrade)...So I need to add an entry into interfaces for it to show up normally?
[23:55] <roffle7> IIRC interfaces only has lo.
[23:57] <genii> roffle7: Are you making your internet connection manually somehow? (like pon/poff for ppp/pppoe or so)
[23:59] <roffle7> I told it to ifup -a --force to get internet in the first place... if that's what you mean. I have cable.


[02:16] <mup> PR snapd#3403 opened: Sync packaging from Fedora Dist-Git <Created by Conan-Kudo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3403>
[02:38] <mup> Bug #1693664 opened: Snapd won't install anbox, Character error <Snappy:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1693664>
[08:17] <Chipaca> mo'in peeps
[08:18] <Chipaca> I've got a meeting at the boys' school today so I'll be gone for a chunk of the morning, starting in about 15 minutes
[08:18] <Chipaca> shout if you need me for something before i'm gone
[08:22] <pedronis> Chipaca: hi, I'll look at your branches
[08:22] <Chipaca> pedronis: appreciated as always
[08:23] <Chipaca> pedronis: one of them went up in the middle of a store outage yesterday, so everything was red. I redid travis, but the others i'd have to repush if needed
[08:40] <Chipaca> ok, i'm off, will bbl (nominally in 2h)
[09:04] <fgimenez> hi pedronis, we are still getting crete-key timeouts on ubuntu-16.04-32 (haven't seen it failing on other systems) https://travis-ci.org/snapcore/spread-cron/builds/236217996#L1960
[09:04] <fgimenez> in the same run https://travis-ci.org/snapcore/spread-cron/builds/236217996#L1960, also -32
[09:13] <pedronis> fgimenez: not sure why, otoh it would be ok to run those test only on classic amd64
[09:16] <fgimenez> pedronis: ok, should we wait for more errors to make sure it only timeouts on i386? if not i can propose a PR for disabling them now
[09:17] <pedronis> fgimenez: let's wait a bit more
[09:17] <fgimenez> pedronis: ok thx
[09:55] <pstolowski> hmm i'm getting '- Run configure hook of "core" snap (run hook "configure": 2017/05/26 11:13:09.680326 cmd.go:93: DEBUG: core snap (at "/snap/core/current") is older ("2.26.3+git212.34125a5~ubuntu16.04.1") than distribution package ("13<IP_ADDRESS>"))' locally with one of the spread tests; is this something to be worried about or a problem with my local env?
[09:58] <pedronis> pstolowski: it means what you have outside is older than what you have inside, but I cannot read that message, is it failing or just a debug message
[09:59] <pstolowski> pedronis, failing
[09:59] <pedronis> pstolowski: anyway it's failign for other reasons that you don't see
[09:59] <pedronis> that bit is just debugging
[10:00] <pedronis> afaict
[10:01] <pstolowski> something weird with versions - i think this starts failing at:
[10:01] <pstolowski> Setting up snapd (13<IP_ADDRESS>) ...
[10:01] <pstolowski> + MATCH unknown
[10:01] <pstolowski> + snap --version
[10:01] <pstolowski> error: pattern not found, got:
[10:01] <pstolowski> snap    13<IP_ADDRESS>
[10:01] <pstolowski> snapd   13<IP_ADDRESS>
[10:01] <pstolowski> series  16
[10:01] <pstolowski> ubuntu  16.04
[10:01] <pstolowski> kernel  4.4.0-78-generic
[10:01] <pstolowski> + MATCH unknown
[10:01] <pstolowski> + /usr/lib/snapd/snap-confine --version
[10:01] <pstolowski> error: pattern not found, got:
[10:01] <pstolowski> snap-confine 13<IP_ADDRESS>
[10:03] <pedronis> pstolowski: were is match unknown coming from
[10:04] <pedronis> I see only one very early in prepare.sh
[10:04] <pedronis> that should kill the whole run
[10:11] <pstolowski> pedronis, the spread test i'm running is not doing that explicitely, so must be part of some general preparations
[10:11] <pedronis> maybe building is failing
[10:13] <fgimenez> pstolowski: pedronis i've seen that "MATCH unknown -> pattern not found" previously, it is expected to fail if i read correctly https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/blob/master/tests/lib/prepare.sh#L96, probably the error is somewhere else
[10:13] <pedronis> yes, it should day saying that something is weird
[10:13] <pedronis> with the built snapd
[10:15] <pedronis> s/day/die/
[10:15]  * pedronis lunch
[10:17] <pstolowski> i'm trying on linode now
[10:17] <pstolowski> but not sure if that's relevant at all
[10:39] <pstolowski> hmm same error on linode
[10:41] <fgimenez> pstolowski: do you have a complete error log?
[10:43] <pstolowski> fgimenez, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/24665653/
[10:46] <fgimenez> pstolowski: if the problem is not related to yur branch it should be easy to reproduce, trying that now
[11:17] <pstolowski> fgimenez, this is failing on a new spread test I added in my branch. but I see no direct relation to my test yet, it's just installing a test snap as any other test, and modifies its config
[11:24] <fgimenez> pstolowski: something seems to be making the prepare step to fail, i can't reproduce locally, also fwiw the automated execution after the new core was published to edge this morning was good, i've retriggered it and has already passed successfully the prepare stage https://travis-ci.org/snapcore/spread-cron/builds/236247437 (this executes from master)
[11:34]  * Chipaca returns from the dead
[11:34] <Chipaca> see, even when i pad these things out i fail to account for the time it takes :-(
[11:34] <Chipaca> pedronis: thank you for the reviews! I'll get on them in a bit
[11:35] <ogra_> abeato, oh ... one other thing about the androidboot support, why /writable/androidboot ... i thought we agreed to have an actual /boot/androidboot/  partition available ?
[11:36] <ogra_> abeato, you could use that directgly
[11:37] <fgimenez> pstolowski: mmm i'm getting a different error locally from master http://paste.ubuntu.com/24665927/
[12:10] <abeato> ogra_, using the current userdata partition makes our life easier, and I do not see any advantage in using a separate partition that might not be always available
[12:11] <abeato> ogra_, we can be flexible though and contemplate both cases
[12:11] <ogra_> abeato, well, it will require changes to snapd i guess ... since it looks at /boot/<bootloader> (i think ... perhaps i'm wrong though)
[12:12] <ogra_> to decide what way of mangling it needs to use for the cdmline on updates
[12:12] <abeato> ogra_, no, no need for changes to snapd, it is transparent for it, so in fact the decision depends on system specific parts
[12:12] <ogra_> i'm really not sure this is still the case ... but in the past it looked for the mounted /boot partition to detect the right bootloader path
[12:13] <ogra_> ok, then we're fine i guess
[12:13] <abeato> ogra_, it just searches for files in /boot/xxx
[12:13] <ogra_> ok
[12:21] <fgimenez> pstolowski: looks like i had some leftover files that were making the build to fail, this is from a clean master http://paste.ubuntu.com/24666236/ all seems to be fine
[12:50] <pstolowski> fgimenez, thanks for checking
[12:58] <niemeyer> Hellos
[13:01] <niemeyer> Chipaca, fgimenez, pstolowski: Stand up?
[13:01] <fgimenez> niemeyer: omw
[13:02] <Chipaca> niemeyer: omw indeed
[13:14] <mup> PR snapd#3402 closed: many: error types should be called FooError, not ErrFoo <Created by chipaca> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3402>
[13:22] <abeato> ogra_, something else that I'd like to do is to add a modified klicb package in snappy PPA with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/klibc/+bug/1692494/+attachment/4881283/+files/add-reboot-argument-support.patch
[13:22] <mup> Bug #1692494: klibc does not support reboot arguments <patch> <klibc (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1692494>
[13:22] <abeato> ogra_, even if we land in arty we still need that
[13:22] <ogra_> abeato, did you talk to upstream yet
[13:23] <ogra_> (infinity ... )
[13:23] <abeato> ogra_, nope, where does he hang around?
[13:24]  * abeato tries ubuntu-desktop
[13:24] <ogra_> abeato, #ubunru-devel
[13:24] <ogra_> *ubuntu
[13:25] <abeato> ok
[13:25] <ogra_> (he's foundations ... really not a desktop guy :) )
[13:26] <ogra_> if we could SRU it right away we'd not need the PPA ... i woudl prefer that
[13:35] <pedronis> niemeyer: snapd#3350 , not blocking my current work but would be good to have some feedback, it was planned for the next release
[13:35] <mup> PR snapd#3350: interfaces,overlord/ifacestate: make sure installing slots after plugs works similarly to plugs after slots <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3350>
[13:35] <niemeyer> pedronis: +1
[13:42] <Son_Goku> anyone able to merge snapd#3403?
[13:42] <mup> PR snapd#3403: packaging/fedora: sync packaging from Fedora Dist-Git <Created by Conan-Kudo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3403>
[13:42] <Son_Goku> the stupid failure is just Linode being awful
[13:47] <niemeyer> Son_Goku: I've restarted the integration tests
[13:48] <Son_Goku> niemeyer: I'd hope they pass, since it's all dead code to Travis
[13:48] <Son_Goku> we don't have any Fedora CI yet
[13:48] <niemeyer> Son_Goku: I always hope they pass as well
[13:53] <niemeyer> fgimenez: Small comment in #3401
[13:53] <niemeyer> snapd#3401
[13:53] <mup> PR snapd#3401: tests: move static and unit tests to spread task <Created by fgimenez> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3401>
[13:54] <fgimenez> niemeyer: thx on it
[13:54] <niemeyer> fgimenez: Let's please fix on a follow up.. this is taking 6 minutes out of everything else
[13:54] <mup> PR snapd#3401 closed: tests: move static and unit tests to spread task <Created by fgimenez> <Merged by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3401>
[13:55] <fgimenez> niemeyer: sure, i'll prepare it
[13:57] <ogra_> kalikiana, you are currently working on the cross stuff iirc ... do you know if there is already a way to use arch specific tags in "build-packages:" in snapcraft.yaml ? (i.e. i want to make gadgets build uboot from source, if i build it on an amd64 system i need gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi installed, on native builds i dont)
[13:58] <ogra_> (i cant find anything in the docs about that)
[14:00] <niemeyer> fgimenez: Thank you!
[14:04] <sergiusens> ogra_: that should iirc work, but for it to work automatically in launchpad there's this https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1253
[14:04] <mup> PR snapcraft#1253: go plugin: cross-compilation support <Created by kalikiana> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1253>
[14:04] <sergiusens> specifically https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/1253/files#diff-e405f18ae8c707ccb3d5ea4e828718c9R202
[14:06]  * ogra_ checks (we can move to rocket, i just asked there btw)
[14:07] <sergiusens> ogra_: don't multi post :-P
[14:07] <ogra_> :P
[14:07] <sergiusens> niemeyer: can I have uour thoughts on https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/version-script-helpers/648?u=sergiusens ?
[14:08] <ogra_> sergiusens, hmm, not really what i want ... that only reacts to --target-arch
[14:09] <niemeyer> sergiusens: Sure, just let me finish a review and will be there
[14:13] <sergiusens> thanks, shouldn't take much of your time, but mostly to make sure I captured your suggestion correctly
[14:34] <mup> PR snapd#3403 closed: packaging/fedora: sync packaging from Fedora Dist-Git <Created by Conan-Kudo> <Merged by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3403>
[14:43] <niemeyer> cachio_: Reviewed the spread PR.. it's looking pretty good, thanks. Just a few details and should be mergeable.
[14:44] <cachio_> niemeyer, sure
[14:49] <niemeyer> sergiusens: Replied, thanks for poking
[14:50] <Chipaca> pedronis: is there any case where a snap can have a local revision but also a snapid?
[14:51] <ogra_> snap download ... then you sideload ?
[14:51] <Chipaca> ogra_: you get the revision from the assert
[14:51] <ogra_> ah
[14:52] <pedronis> Chipaca: well, a snap can have a revision (as in SideInfo) with a snap id and some without,  a revision with both would be an incosistent state though
[14:52] <ogra_> Chipaca, well, do i get the assert if i sideload (and dont snap ack it)
[14:53] <Chipaca> ogra_: if you don't have the assert, you don't get the snap id
[14:53] <ogra_> ok
[14:53] <pedronis> Chipaca: just pointing out it's a per revision/SideInfo property, is not global
[14:53] <Chipaca> but i don't know what happens if you mix n match; going to try that now
[14:53] <Chipaca> pedronis: right, but they're at the same level
[14:54] <Chipaca> they're both in the sequence, not in the snap
[14:54] <pedronis> yes
[14:54] <pedronis> each one should be consistent, if you manage to have both it's a bug
[14:54] <Chipaca> pedronis: basically i'm wondering about this bit of code that sets revision to 0 before checking snapid
[14:54] <pedronis> Chipaca: where?
[14:55] <Chipaca> pedronis: in master i think this is store.ListRefresh
[14:55] <pedronis> store?
[14:56] <pedronis> or snapstate?
[14:56] <Chipaca> pedronis: store/store.go
[14:56] <Chipaca> that's where ListRefresh lives
[14:56] <pedronis> well, the we check SnapID a line below
[14:57] <pedronis> I think that code is a bit non-sense
[14:57] <pedronis> it's not there like that to deal with a real case
[14:57] <Chipaca> pedronis: maybe i should change it to do the same thing in both cases
[14:57] <Chipaca> while i'm here
[14:58] <pedronis> just continue
[14:58] <pedronis> works for me
[14:58] <Chipaca> that is, if !revision.Store() || snapID == ""
[14:58] <pedronis> you could log in one
[14:58] <pedronis> of the two
[14:58] <pedronis> anyway
[14:58] <Chipaca> “found a snap with rev<0 and snapID != ""! get out the champagne!”
[14:58] <Chipaca> :-p
[14:59] <Chipaca> pedronis: thank you
[14:59] <pedronis> Chipaca: fwiw I think it's from before we fully understood things
[14:59] <Chipaca> yeah... before...
[14:59] <Chipaca> because now we totally understand things, yes?
[15:00] <pedronis> Chipaca: we have a way to install a local unasserted revison on top of a store one, I don't think we have a way to do the reverse though
[15:00] <pedronis> snap refresh foo will hit that code
[15:01] <pedronis> Chipaca: I didn't tell you what "things" are
[15:01] <pedronis> :)
[15:01] <Chipaca> pedronis: right, but it doesn't matter if a previous revision had a revision and a snapid; it's only current that matters
[15:01] <pedronis> exactly
[15:02] <pedronis> that's why we don't have a way to do that
[15:02] <pedronis> you need to snap remove --revision yourself out of that corner
[15:02] <pedronis> I think right now
[15:02] <pedronis> assuming revision there works with local ones
[15:02] <pedronis> (I don't know if we test for that)
[15:08] <Chipaca> pedronis: would panicing be appropriate in those cases?
[15:08] <pedronis> no
[15:08] <pedronis> panicing is if the non-sense is so big that we cannot really go forward
[15:08] <pedronis> here we can ignore it
[15:08] <pedronis> not great
[15:09] <pedronis> but also no dead snapd trying to refresh either
[15:12] <pedronis> Chipaca: there's no panic in store atm, except in init()
[15:14] <pedronis> Chipaca: I think most our panics are either lock related, some early initialisation or early order of ops, or related to marshaling/unmarshaling from state
[15:16] <pedronis> or wrong types being passed around
[15:16] <pedronis> (the latter is something our tests should catch)
[15:30] <Chipaca> hah! just realised
[15:31] <Chipaca> this test class is still called "UbuntuStoreRepository" :-D
[15:33] <pedronis> Chipaca: yes, the tests are still using old names sometimes, I would do a separate PR to fix that though
[15:34] <Chipaca> aww
[15:34] <Chipaca> alright
[15:34] <pedronis> Chipaca: search and replace together with real change don't mix well
[15:35] <Chipaca> pedronis: you are absolutely correct
[16:19] <pedronis> reworking the retry code I noticed that indeed we don't retry DNS errors
[16:55] <niemeyer> cachio_: Another pass on the spread PR, and then it GLTM
[16:55] <niemeyer> LGTM even
[16:55] <niemeyer> pedronis: Nice, glad that one is simple to fix.. I was afraid it might be something more involved
[16:55] <kyrofa> Good-lookin?
[16:58] <niemeyer> kyrofa: GLTM! ;)
[17:49] <pedronis> niemeyer: well, it might be complicated, for now I find the point where to log them, we might need to look at some examples from spread test run to decide what to do
[17:49] <pedronis> s/I find/I found/
[17:50] <kyrofa> Anyone here know anything about squashfuse?
[17:50] <niemeyer> pedronis: That sounds very close to what cachio_ is working on already.. one of the errors there was precisely a DNS error
[17:51] <kyrofa> Maybe I should go to the lxc channel
[17:53] <pedronis> niemeyer: I mean examples once we have the log with the exact internal error
[17:53] <pedronis> niemeyer: there's a bit of a russian dolls of errors going on (like for connreset)
[17:54] <niemeyer> pedronis: Yeah, DNS should be easy to reproduce locally
[17:54] <niemeyer> cachio_: ^
[17:54] <niemeyer> cachio_: Spread PR is in
[17:55] <niemeyer> (second point unrelated to first point, sorry for confusing points :))
[18:26] <niemeyer> I'm taking a break
[18:29] <Chipaca> i'm taking a beer
[18:29] <Chipaca> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯🍺
[18:30] <niemeyer> Chipaca: Sounds like a much better idea
[18:30] <Chipaca> niemeyer: it's 1930 here so it's allowed
[18:32] <niemeyer> Chipaca: I should try.. the reviews might become much more colorful
[18:33] <niemeyer> Anyway, biab
[18:33] <Chipaca> niemeyer: no reviews after beer
[18:33] <Chipaca> or during, for that matter
[19:57] <cachio_> niemeyer, how do you usually connect to linode to see tho nodes that are running and their info?
[19:57] <cachio_> niemeyer, do you use user/pass in the web page?
[19:58] <niemeyer> cachio_: Yes, to maintain the provide maintenance when necessary I use the administration panel.. when using spread, I don't do that though
[19:58] <cachio_> niemeyer, because I need a way to monitor nodes, I am trying to reproduce the reboot timeout issue
[19:59] <cachio_> niemeyer, do you have credentials to share with me?
[19:59] <niemeyer> cachio_: You can just try to connect to them/ping as usual.. is this not working?
[19:59] <niemeyer> cachio_: I don't at this time
[20:00] <niemeyer> cachio_: What happens when you connect to the machine?
[20:00] <cachio_> niemeyer, I couldn't repproduce the issue yet
[20:00] <cachio_> niemeyer, I created a specific test for that and I am gonna run it now
[20:01] <niemeyer> cachio_: Okay, so to get started I suggest opening a  terminal to the machine
[20:01] <niemeyer> cachio_: The web interface won't be doing much better than that
[20:01] <cachio_> niemeyer,
[20:01] <cachio_> ok
[20:01] <niemeyer> cachio_: Then monitor if the machine is rebooting at all, or if it's stuck
[20:02] <niemeyer> cachio_: If it gets stuck at a point where there's no network, then please ping me and I'll try to see via the console
[20:02] <cachio_> ok
[20:03] <cachio_> niemeyer, apart of this one, I want to raise an issue for the econnreset test
[20:03] <cachio_> niemeyer, should I create a forum topic? or go to launchpad?
[20:06] <niemeyer> cachio_: Depends a bit on the content/context.. you already have two topics on the forum for "chasing unreliable tests" and "dealing with flaky tests".. perhaps one of these is a good starting point?
[20:07] <cachio_> niemeyer, ok
[20:59] <cyphermox> niemeyer: is there a way I can bring up a bug (fixed by SRU in ubuntu classic) to attention for ubuntu-core? it would require an update of the core snap
[20:59] <cyphermox> https://bugs.launchpad.net/netplan/+bug/1672740
[20:59] <mup> Bug #1672740: Netplan replug function is incompatible with ath9k_htc module <verification-needed> <netplan:Fix Released by cyphermox> <nplan (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <nplan (Ubuntu Xenial):Fix Committed> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1672740>
[21:04] <niemeyer> cyphermox: Device category in the forum might be a good place
[21:04] <cyphermox> there's already a bug in launchpad, isn't there a real bug tracker?
[21:15] <niemeyer> cyphermox: Sorry, I'm not sure of what you're actually looking for.. Launchpad is a real bug tracker.. the forum is a good place to talk. What are you looking for?
[21:15] <cyphermox> reporting the bug to you.
[21:15] <cyphermox> there is a bug in launchpad already, that affects ubuntu classic; it also needs an update of the core snap
[21:16] <kyrofa> also-effects snappy?
[21:18] <cyphermox> it's the snappy project? I wasn't sure as there's also "ubuntu-core".
[21:20] <kyrofa> cyphermox, haha, I'm not familiar with that one. I typically use snapd for snapd-specific things (interfaces, etc.), and snappy for larger system things (e.g. core snap, image issues)
[21:20] <kyrofa> (but just because that's what I do doesn't mean it's the right thing, either)
[21:21] <kyrofa> cyphermox, note that the core snap is also used on classic, so another vote for snappy over ubuntu-core
[21:27] <daker> hello, does anyone know if there is an nginx snap available ?
[21:28] <kyrofa> daker, not standalone that I know of, no. Typically it's bundled
[21:28] <daker> kyrofa: do you have a .snapcraft of it ?
[21:28] <kyrofa> daker, all I've got myself is apache
[21:29] <daker> kyrofa: hmm, ok thanks
[21:57] <zyga> o/
[21:57] <zyga> any news on the error spike?


[18:16] <OvenWerks> hmm, "You can use libgtk3-nocss to make Gnome 3 apps use the window manager
[18:16] <OvenWerks> theme under xfce (on Debian, at least: sudo apt install gtk3-nocsd).
[18:16] <OvenWerks> It's also supposedly possible to add 'export GTK_CSD=0' to ~/.xsessionrc
[18:17] <OvenWerks> to achieve the same result, though I haven't actually tried that.
[18:18] <OvenWerks> That might be something to look into so that our theme or the user chosen theme is uniform on all applications.
[23:35] <DalekSec> It uses a LD_PRELOAD library, so not a good idea to seed it.


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[13:46] <hezinho> hello all
[13:46] <hezinho> iam new here and new with ubuntu system
[13:47] <hezinho> i need basic help plz
[13:47] <hezinho> does any1 know how to change the bar after installation of the notebook sys ?