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[00:48] <teward> was 18.04.2 released?  And if so did I miss an announcement email about it?
[01:01] <guiverc> teward, i haven't seen it; I'm ~watching to put notice on fridge..
[01:02] <teward> guiverc: yeah i didn't see an announcement either
[01:02] <teward> I set up a poller on my locla mirror to tell me when 18.04.2 pulled down so I know it's present but
[01:08] <infinity> teward: I mean, define "released".
[01:08] <teward> infinity: as in "ready for use" :P
[01:09] <infinity> teward: It's on mirrors.  I'm not sending the email and updating the topic until the website has the right versions/links, which should be in a few minutes.
[01:09] <teward> ah, makes sense.
[01:09] <teward> but it is on the mirrors so i'mi good to go.
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[09:31] <Laney> "Hmm, why are arm64/armhf's test queues not empty?"
[09:32]  * Laney scrolls down
[09:32] <Laney> "k, k, k, k, k, k, ..."
[09:32] <Laney> The is-KDE-still-buildable network is in operation
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[10:09] <apw> ^ these are going to be replaced shortly by a .3
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[11:09] <tomreyn> hi. http://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04/ubuntu-<IP_ADDRESS>-live-server-amd64.iso.torrent , as found at https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads#bittorrents , returns a 404
[11:12] <juliank> tomreyn: the .0 should not be there
[11:12] <juliank> tomreyn: that is, http://releases.ubuntu.com/18.04/ubuntu-18.04.2-live-server-amd64.iso.torrent exists
[11:12] <tomreyn> juliank: makes sense. do you know who could fix the url on the web page?
[11:13] <tomreyn> juliank: looks like cpaelzer is taking care of it, thanks
[11:16] <cpaelzer> "care" is the wrong word tomreyn :-)
[11:17] <cpaelzer> I just pinged the people I thought coudl do something about it
[11:17] <cpaelzer> juliank: in case you have the powers to do so, plese do so - I don't know what/who defines the content of the website
[11:18] <juliank> I don't know what creates that particular site
[11:18] <cpaelzer> ok, then I think we can stick to the highlights I have put in #ubunut-devel
[11:18] <cpaelzer> the NUT :-/
[11:18] <juliank> ah here we go https://github.com/canonical-websites/www.ubuntu.com/blob/master/templates/download/alternative-downloads.html
[11:21] <infinity> juliank: Yeah, already poked the web team about it.
[11:21] <juliank> ack
[11:21] <infinity> cpaelzer: ^
[11:21] <infinity> They're on it.
[11:25] <cpaelzer> thanks infinity
[11:28] <tomreyn> thanks all. also, this mirror, http://ftp.lug.ro/ubuntu-releases/ , has both 18.04.2 and <IP_ADDRESS> directories - was it like this on the main mirrors initially?
[11:28] <infinity> tomreyn: It was like that briefly to paper over a different .0 bug on the website that was since fixed.
[11:28] <infinity> tomreyn: mirrors will catch up and drop the .0
[11:29] <tomreyn> alright :)
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[04:23] <Pwnna> Is there any reason why... when I connect to launchpad.net from one machine i get verify error:num=20:unable to get local issuer certificate while from another it is totally fine
[04:23] <Pwnna> i think it's a locally configuration error? but i'm not sure.
[04:23] <Pwnna> the log that's suspicious are like:
[04:23] <Pwnna> CONNECTED(00000003)
[04:23] <Pwnna> depth=1 C = US, O = DigiCert Inc, OU = www.digicert.com, CN = DigiCert SHA2 Extended Validation Server CA
[04:23] <Pwnna> verify error:num=20:unable to get local issuer certificate
[04:23] <Pwnna> verify return:0
[04:23] <Pwnna> .... vs on the machien that works:
[04:23] <Pwnna> CONNECTED(00000003)
[04:23] <Pwnna> depth=2 C = US, O = DigiCert Inc, OU = www.digicert.com, CN = DigiCert High Assurance EV Root CA
[04:23] <Pwnna> verify return:1
[04:23] <Pwnna> depth=1 C = US, O = DigiCert Inc, OU = www.digicert.com, CN = DigiCert SHA2 Extended Validation Server CA
[04:23] <Pwnna> verify return:1
[04:24] <Pwnna> depth=0 businessCategory = Private Organization, <IP_ADDRESS>.4.1.3<IP_ADDRESS>.3 = GB, serialNumber = 06870835, street = 110 Southwark Street, street = "Blue Fin Building, Fifth Floor", postalCode = SE1 0SU, C = GB, L = London, O = Canonical Group Ltd, CN = launchpad.net
[04:24] <Pwnna> verify return:1
[04:24] <Pwnna> what am i doing wrong?
[04:24] <Pwnna> even with -CAfile specified to openssl this doesn't work?
[04:25] <Pwnna> note the depth=2 for the machien that works vs starting at depth=1? or is that a red herring?
[05:13] <voidconf> test
[05:14] <voidconf> can someone gimme an ack please
[19:11] <soee> +99999/
[19:11] <soee> ADFD/'
[19:11] <soee> ';L C/X33'4'434''


[08:29] <denbeiren_> i'm running a file transfer from a livecd to my backuplocation, the pc seems to be frozen up
[08:29] <denbeiren_> i can see the capslock led blink
[08:30] <denbeiren_> screen is black
[08:30] <denbeiren_> any way to revive the pc?
[08:33] <flocculant> denbeiren_: h- this isn't a support channel - try #ubuntu :)
[08:33] <denbeiren_> oh
[08:34] <denbeiren_> so i should see this one as discussion?
[08:35] <flocculant> no this is where the people working on desktop hang out and is like a desert during the weekend :)
[13:09]  * Laney sprays sand all over flocculant
[13:14] <flocculant> I thought you might :p
[13:18] <flocculant> on the plus side I grabbed the libgtk stuff from -proposed and I've not got 'normous grey borders anymore ;)
[14:48] <renso> hi


[14:51] <zequence> OvenWerks: Should we think about moving either media playback so that it appears directly under our menu items, or we move our stuff into the regular menu area?
[18:20] <zequence> I think now is a good time to really push for making everything end up in the right place
[18:20] <holstein> ideally, getting a "right" place implemented with freedesktop
[18:21] <holstein> im assuming they are open to that.. and have not made an attempt at contact yet
[18:21] <holstein> im *sure* other folks have the same issue
[18:21] <holstein> if they had what the community needs, then, the creators of the software can put it where they like
[18:22] <holstein> which, would benefit everyone, potentially... could be one of those things thats never implemented correctly, though
[18:22] <zequence> It's a little bit tricky. The right place right now is really just the "right" place the way we see it
[18:22] <zequence> But, it's good if we follow the freedesktop standard with the menu as far as possible
[18:22] <holstein> sure, and i get that, and dont think it will be addressed upstream in a timley fashion
[18:23] <zequence> It's a little but open for interpretation, and we're really going crazy with it
[18:23] <zequence> I haven't made any contact upstream yet, so I have no idea
[18:23] <holstein> its just that, the freedesktop standards are not appropriate for *any* proaudio setup, so, if we "fixed" that, upstream, it would just trickle to everyone
[18:23] <holstein> could be, the plan is to phase the menu out
[18:23] <holstein> which, i get..
[18:23] <zequence> I think it works a long way, just that the categories are not being used a lot yet
[18:24] <holstein> i mean, brasero is a great example.. since, its *not* just for burning audio
[18:24] <holstein> when i want to create a backup data bluray of a hard disk, i look in an audio menu
[18:24] <holstein> its gotta go somewhere :)
[18:24] <holstein> but, at least, the creators of brasero can put it where they like..
[18:25] <zequence> There are probably a lot more examples where the category doesn't really fit
[18:25] <holstein> just as sane default works..
[19:40] <OvenWerks> The right place is workflow dependant. The standard place is alpha order.
[19:41] <OvenWerks> holstein: zequence ^^
[20:27] <zequence> OvenWerks: Yes, but do we keep separating the multimedia items from the rest? What do you think? If we do straight off alphabetical order, then we do not make any separation between our menu items and others, just that the multimedia ones will be finer tuned
[20:56] <OvenWerks> zequence: I honestly don't know. I think the only thing we gain by grouping them is that it highlights to the user what the differences are in Studio from Ubuntu (or Xubunt or whatever).
[20:56] <OvenWerks> zequence: it is pretty hard to say if that is worth while or not.
[20:56] <OvenWerks> I personally like not having to drag my mouse down as far ;)
[20:57] <holstein> how about, an A-K tab :)
[20:57] <OvenWerks> But that is really not a case for going non-alpha
[20:57] <holstein> A-K and L-Z ;)
[20:57] <holstein> im totally kidding around..
[20:58] <OvenWerks> The main part of our menu is not that big. :)
[20:58] <holstein> im with whatever you guys decide.. i wouldnt mind getting involved in contacting the freedesktop folks and "fixing" it up there
[20:59] <OvenWerks> holstein: in truth I have two screens and I have a second small pannel on the right screen (vertical/lower/left) and I put the programs I use in that.
[20:59] <holstein> yeah, i dont use a menu.. you dont either
[21:00] <holstein> some folks would appreciate the things moved, others will wish they had been left alone ;)
[21:00] <OvenWerks> holstein: I do use the menu for a lot of things, but the pannel has a terminal, an ssh to my server, qjackctl and ardour in it.
[21:01] <holstein> i installed gnome-do, probably 4+ years ago.. now i use kupfer.. but, since then, i dont use any menu
[21:04]  * OvenWerks is running 10 terminals right now...


[00:52] <Cheri703> rawr
[00:56] <Unit193> Eh?
[00:58] <Cheri703> eh, just tons to do and not doing it
[01:19] <Unit193> Great. The computer is now set to autoboot memtest ...with no grub screen
[01:20] <Cheri703> heh
[01:20] <Cheri703> you could liveboot and then edit grub conf
[01:27] <Unit193> It's set to the one I want.... Wha?
[01:28] <dmcglone1> hiya
[01:28] <Unit193> dmcglone1: Hello
[01:29] <Cheri703> hi
[01:29] <Unit193> I like the old grub much better...
[01:31] <Unit193> Still the wrong kernel, but not memtest!
[01:31] <Cheri703> progress!
[01:32] <dmcglone1> my wife just got a glimpse of Unity, she's bitchin.. LOL
[01:32] <Cheri703> heh
[01:32] <dmcglone1> she sure as hell doesn't want it
[01:33] <Unit193> What are you going to give her?
[01:33] <dmcglone1> well at the moment she's running KDE and is bitchin about that, so I showed her my unity install and she said hell no, so I guess it's Gnome 10.10
[01:34] <dmcglone1> I mean Ubuntu 10.10
[01:36] <dmcglone1> looks like Unity is gonna be a hard sell to casual users for Ubuntu :-/
[01:37] <Unit193> dmcglone1: You going to show the other Ubuntus? You could rollback to 10.04 (LTS)
[01:38] <dmcglone1> She used to have 10.10
[01:39] <Unit193> So if I point StartupManager to the kernel I want, it sets memtest as default.... grrrrr
[01:45]  * dmcglone1 is installing Gnome on my netbook
[01:45] <dmcglone1> from there going to gnome 3
[02:49] <Unit193> It's just not going to take that kernel....
[03:06] <canthus13> That's weird...
[03:07] <Unit193> And I need to figure out how to install grub menu
[03:07] <jgould> well...  It seems that my issues with what ever was causing the crash on boot have been resolved by an upstream patch...
[03:09] <canthus13> Unit193: That's weird. My wife's machine can't get grub menu to work.. She's running Lucid.
[03:09] <canthus13> It boots straight with no menu.  I'm running Maverick and it comes up just fine.
[03:09] <Unit193> Eh... I don't think I checked that option at boot
[03:09] <Unit193> s/boot/install
[03:12] <Cheri703> canthus13: any word on the sully toy?
[03:12] <Cheri703> I leave on saturday (as long as I can get a ride to the airport -_-)
[03:13] <canthus13> In the mail tomorrow. Last two days have been crazy.... It should make it in time, though. I'll mail it from the post office.
[03:14] <Cheri703> ok
[03:14] <Cheri703> no problem, just wanted to check :)
[03:15] <Cheri703> I have so much stuff to do >.< I'm trying to convince myself to tackle it all :/
[03:23] <canthus13> Heh. gotta do it... It'd suck to show up in Hungary and realize you didn't pack underwear...
[03:23] <jgould> That would suck
[03:24] <Cheri703> true
[03:24] <Cheri703> I have a bunch of laundry going so I can figure out what to pack
[03:24] <jgould> I hate it when I get cold feet
[03:25] <Cheri703> my list for the week thus far: acquire second suitcase, pack, doctor's appointment tomorrow, plan open week session, present open week session, locate a ride to the dang airport
[03:25] <Cheri703> *plus all of the regular crap around here
[03:25] <jgould> Where are you Cheri703 (and which airport are you flying out of?
[03:25] <Cheri703> I'm in mansfield and I'm going to columbus :/
[03:26] <Cheri703> that's the difficulty
[03:26] <Cheri703> if I was still in columbus, I'd be fine
[03:26] <Cheri703> I have enough people who owed me from times I picked them up ;)
[03:26] <jgould> If I had a reson to go to mansfield, I'd pick you up and drop you off at CMH
[03:27] <Cheri703> heh, I appreciate it
[03:27] <Cheri703> mansfield is AWESOME >.>
[03:28] <Cheri703> one option I'm considering is getting a ride to cbus friday night (if possible) and crashing at a friend's house and then going in the morning from there. that greatly shortens my time table though :/
[03:30] <jgould> Just a little bit
[03:30] <Cheri703> you under estimate how late I stay up
[03:31] <Cheri703> to get to columbus at a reasonable hour (even by 10) would require leaving by 9, which would cut 4-5 hours off of my general "doing stuff" time...possibly even more
[03:32] <Cheri703> not counting any time in the morning
[03:38] <jgould> I stay up late when Our jobs at work slow down (which they are, and layoffs are looming again...)
[03:39] <Cheri703> where do you work?
[03:40] <jgould> I work for a little company called Lifetouch National School Studos
[03:40] <jgould> er Studios
[03:40] <Cheri703> wait...lifetouch...where is that?
[03:40] <Cheri703> that sounds vaguely familiar
[03:40] <Cheri703> is there another place called lifetouch?
[03:41] <jgould> We have subsidiaries...  Not that I know of
[03:41] <jgould> where, we are an international company with offices around the US and Canada
[03:41] <Cheri703> ah, ok, I'm thinking of lifetouch church directories...I had to go there for my old job
[03:42] <jgould> That's owned by us.  I work for NSS as a photographer.  I've said in the past that almost everyone has heard of us, but few know what we do
[03:43] <Cheri703> ah, gotcha
[03:43] <Cheri703> that's cool
[03:43] <Cheri703> I worked for a short time at "picture people" omg it was horrible. I like photography, but that place...
[03:43] <jgould> I need to find something else to do
[03:43] <Cheri703> this is what I'm up to these days: www.TechHeroOhio.com  need more clients though :/
[03:44] <jgould> That helps
[03:44] <canthus13> Cheri703: You should change those bottom lines.. They give a double vision effect that's a bit disconcerting.
[03:45] <Cheri703> ok
[03:45] <canthus13> Side-by-side of offset a bit more, maybe.
[03:45] <jgould> I'm just happy that I am working in Ubuntu on my MacBook Pro 8,1...
[03:45] <Cheri703> I was pondering whether I needed to have both email AND web address (that's basically my flyer, but with different font)
[03:48] <jgould> So what goes on at a Ubuntu Hour
[03:49] <Cheri703> at ours we just hang out and chat
[03:49] <jgould> Sounds like waht we did Sunday XD
[03:49] <Cheri703> heh, possibly
[03:50] <jgould> With Jacob's machine attached to the projector
[03:52] <jgould> Hmm...  (I use two gmail accounts almost exlcusivly with the calendar
[03:55] <Cheri703> I have like 4 different google calendars synced
[03:55] <Cheri703> it's fine
[03:56] <jgould> And it's an all in one app, which I like better than the Mail/iCal/Address Book trio that apple uses
[03:57] <Cheri703> yeah
[03:57] <Cheri703> on my netbook, the google calendar page is a PAIN unless I put firefox into full screen
[03:58] <jgould> How big is the scren on your netbook?
[04:00] <Cheri703> 10.1"
[04:04] <jgould> I've thought about getting a netbook for an even more portable machine than the 13.3" MacBook Pro, but I fear that I will run into the same issue that I did with the 11.6" MacBook Air...  The screen was too short and it hurt my neck to use it for an extended period of time
[04:05] <Cheri703> I like mine a lot
[04:05] <Cheri703> I was using a 15" for a while (not especially wide screen, was kind of tallish), and I didn't like that there was only a VERY specific spot that looked "right" instead of the crappy "wrong angle lcd" appearance
[04:06] <Cheri703> canthus13: check it now
[04:08] <jgould> Wow...  I've only  really been back in teh commmunity for a few days and I'm already helping people in teh Ubuntu fourms... XD
[04:08] <Cheri703> heh, go you!
[04:09] <canthus13> Much better. :)
[04:09] <jgould> I like the new version better aws well
[04:09] <jgould> I can't type worth a damn, but hey
[04:10] <Cheri703> thanks :)
[04:10] <Cheri703> I had just uploaded the equivalent of my initial flyer. I'd since redone it, so I updated to match that (and take off the website)
[04:12] <jgould> do you just delete messages from the inbox in evloution to archive them?  (I can't rememmber.  It's been a while...)
[04:14] <Cheri703> I don't use evolution for email
[04:15] <jgould> I find it easier to do it all in one place
[04:15]  * canthus13 does all of his emailing in one place: gmail. :)
[04:15] <Cheri703> same here
[04:15] <canthus13> Much easier than dealing with a mail client. :/
[04:15] <jgould> unless you have 3 accounts that you bounce between on a regular basis...
[04:17]  * Cheri703 sets gmail to check the others, also to send as others
[04:18] <jgould> How does that work from a mobile device?  I send and recive off of all three from my BlackBerry
[04:18]  * Unit193 uses Alpine half the time, gmail half the time and Thunderbird the rest of the time :D
[04:19] <Cheri703> I could use the main mail thing, or gmail...either one...
[04:19] <canthus13> jgould: I just use the gmail mobile client for my phone. (not blackberry, but gmail seems to have a client for everything...)
[04:20] <jgould> If I do that, then there is no reason to have the blackberry... :P (Although it about got tossed into traffic the other day on Hilliard Rome Road because it was pissing me off...)
[04:21]  * Cheri703 hearts android
[04:21] <jgould> I'm leaning toward andriod.  My love for Apple is slowly waning
[04:21]  * canthus13 is still looking to get a Pre/Pre plus.. WebOS <3
[04:22]  * canthus13 lost his love for Apple around 1991.
[04:23] <jgould> The build quality on my Macbook is great, If I would have knowm that I was goign to have problems, I would have kept my C2D MBP and not gotten this Core i5...
[04:24] <jgould> Now I'm thinking ahead to when this one goes and depending on how much I'm using Ubuntu as a primary OS, looking at System76 for the next one
[04:25] <jgould> A little over $200 cheaper for pretty much the same comptuer.   They're priced more like a good HP business laptop or a higher-end Dell.
[04:27] <canthus13> From what I've seen, they're worth it.  And I like the guys that I've met that work there. :)
[04:27] <canthus13> Cheri703: How's the netbook holding up so far?
[04:27] <jgould> This is one of those indrusties that is a "You get what you pay for" thing
[04:27] <canthus13> to a degree. I don't see Mac being worth the stupid price.
[04:28] <Cheri703> they replaced the case, but...the customer service is SEVERELY LACKING...don't go zareason
[04:28] <Cheri703> :/
[04:28] <Cheri703> the computer itself is fine
[04:28] <Cheri703> the crappy email I got from the ceo of the company is NOT
[04:28]  * canthus13 won't be recommending zareason for a while...
[04:29] <Cheri703> yeah...I'm glad they fixed it, but...even then, crappy customer service
[04:29] <jgould> I will say that every time I've had a hardware problem (with the exception of the dog giving the MacBook I bought in early 2009 a drink of cofffee) Apple has fixed issues without much fuss.
[04:29] <jgould> I had an intermitent screen flicker and they repalced the inverter board just on my word. (which did fix it by the way)
[04:31] <canthus13> jgould: I've heard nightmare stories about apple service.. of course I've heard the same about Dell, and my dad hasn't had a single issue with them (aside from one know-it-all that tried to blame the hard drive when the machine wouldn't post, but he caved when I got on the line and told him I was Dell certified (I'm not, but A+))
[04:31]  * canthus13 personally will never buy HP again for the customer service.
[04:31]  * canthus13 has had 3 dell laptops so far, and the only one to die was one that got stepped on and then dropped off a table.
[04:32] <canthus13> And that one was 8 years old. :D
[04:35] <jgould> Dell's customer service is funny...  My wife has an insprion 600m that the dog threw up in.  (He had drank a lot of water and it was too much) I dumped the machine, opened it up, determined the only thing I needed was a keyboard, called and told the guy to send me the keyboard, and he was like "You need to send it in."  needless to say, I got the keyboard.  by that point I had replaced 4 or 5 keyboards... She strikes hard....
[04:42] <canthus13> jgould: My dad also buys XPS systems exclusively, which have different service contracts than the cheaper systems, so that probably makes a difference.
[04:46] <jgould> probably.  I love the way to install software in Ubuntu
[04:47] <canthus13> Repos make it soooo easy. :)
[04:49] <jgould> Yes.  I wonder how hard it would be to create a list of software that you've installed on one machineso you can install it on the other...
[04:49] <Cheri703> SUPER EASY
[04:50] <Cheri703> in synaptic, you can save markings
[04:52] <jgould> Taht would install stuff that I need on one machine, but not the other (eg. ndiswrapper)
[04:53] <canthus13> There's a way to export the installed package list and import it on another machine... Use it for reinstalls, usually. I just don't remember what the command is.
[04:54] <canthus13> jgould: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=261366
[04:54] <Cheri703> you can save it and then restore it on another machine
[04:54] <canthus13> Just edit the list and remove the stuff you don't want.
[04:55] <jgould> Lets see you do that on an OS that isn't a Ubuntu/Debian deritive!
[04:58] <canthus13> redhat-style systems can do it as well.
[04:58] <canthus13> but forget windows. :)
[04:58] <canthus13> OSX could be set up for it fairly easily.
[04:59] <jgould> Why can't gmail imap to itself...
[04:59] <jgould> canthus13: I think that's part of the reason for the App Store.  Linux has been doing it for years though...
[04:59] <canthus13> Yeah, but you don't pay for ubuntu repos. :)
[05:00] <canthus13> Actually, nm. that's not true.. there *are* a few items for sale in there.
[05:02] <jgould> I know.  One of the peices of software I have under OS X is going to be payware for the linux version.  I will probably buy it
[05:03] <canthus13> don't say that too loud.. the freetards will yell at you. :(
[05:03] <jgould> It's some very specialized writing software that fits the way I write
[05:04] <jgould> but I can't seem to type tonight
[05:05]  * canthus13 has no issue with pay software. If he could afford it, and they ported it to Linux, he'd probably buy Photoshop.
[05:07] <Unit193> Free software = software you don't pay for!!
[05:07] <canthus13> yeah...?
[05:07] <jgould> There's a lot of software that I use that I can't afford
[05:07] <jgould> I understand making money, but some of the prices they charge are outragious
[05:08] <Unit193> canthus13: Freetards think Free software = OpenSource
[05:08] <canthus13> jgould: Generally, the more specialized the software is, the more expensive it is, because the market is smaller and dev costs have to be recouped.
[05:08] <Cheri703> teamviewer has INSANE prices
[05:09]  * canthus13 never checked into their prices.
[05:09] <Cheri703> it's crazy
[05:09] <canthus13> gotoassist is actually reasonable iirc.
[05:09]  * canthus13 wonders how feasible skype's screensharing is for support...
[05:09] <Cheri703> is it cross platform? and VERY easy on the other side?
[05:09] <Cheri703> horrible
[05:12] <dmcglone27> that was a disaster
[05:13] <Unit193> dmcglone27: Then don't do it again!
[05:13] <dmcglone27> Thought I was never gonna get this netbook running again
[05:13] <Unit193> Unity?
[05:13] <jgould> What did yo do to it
[05:13] <dmcglone27> I tried installing gnome, then upgrading to gnome 3 and poof it all went south
[05:14] <dmcglone27> I'm back to 10.10
[05:14] <dmcglone27> I'm sticking with 10.10 and Gnome 3
[05:18] <jgould> Gah... nidswrapper just took out my Macbook
[05:18] <dmcglone27> again?
[05:18] <jgould> sye
[05:18] <jgould> er yep
[05:19] <dmcglone27> dang
[05:19] <dmcglone27> that sux
[05:19] <canthus13> ndiswarper...
[05:19] <jgould> yeah, that
[05:20] <jgould> Now lets see if I can get it to come back up
[05:21] <jgould> that was weird...
[05:23] <jgould> Nope,  My kernel bug still exists...
[05:23] <jgould> :(
[05:24] <canthus13> Bummer... :(
[05:24] <jgould> I wonder if rolling my own kernel would help...
[05:25] <Unit193> There is mainline on launchpad
[05:25] <dmcglone27> have you tried the server kernel?
[05:25] <jgould> Not yet,  It's going to take a reinstall to do anything now
[05:38] <jgould> I wonder if starting minimal and adding things in manually would help with this issue...
[05:40] <dmcglone27> when you re-install, go with the server edition and see if you have the same problem
[05:42] <jgould> I'll need to grab the 64 bit server edition
[05:46] <dmcglone27> it's worth a shot
[05:47] <jgould> Yep
[05:47] <jgould> How many others would have just given up?
[05:48] <dmcglone27> yup, I agree
[05:48] <dmcglone27> brb
[05:55] <jgould> well, this sounds like shit
[05:57] <dmcglone27> Ok running gnome 3
[05:57] <dmcglone27> I'm about to call it a night
[05:58] <Unit193> dmcglone27: Does it like nice and pretty?
[05:58] <dmcglone27> It's nice, but can't say if I'll like it long term
[06:01] <jgould> dmcglone27: I'm going to try the see what happens
[06:02] <dmcglone27> good luck
[06:03] <dmcglone27> Unit193: seen gnome 3 yet?
[06:03] <Unit193> dmcglone27: No
[06:04] <Unit193> Have some handy SS?
[06:05] <dmcglone27> hang on I'll get some
[06:10] <jgould> Interesting.  If you hold your windows key, numbers will appear on the launcher in Unity and you can just hit the windows key and the number and be th ere
[06:29] <jgould> At this point I'm tempted to grab 11.10 and see what I can do with it
[06:30] <Unit193> 11.10?
[06:32] <dmcglone27> Unit193: http://ubuntuone.com/p/qg8/
[06:33] <dmcglone27> http://ubuntuone.com/p/qg7/
[06:34] <Unit193> dmcglone27: Not bad at all!
[06:35] <dmcglone27> I have it installed alongside the default gnome, so I can use either one
[06:35] <Unit193> I might even try Gnome with that...
[06:36] <jgould> Unit193: The alpha (!) release of the next version.  Who knows it may work better...
[06:37] <dmcglone27> Unit apt-get install gnome3-session
[06:37] <dmcglone27> log out and back into gnome 3
[06:38] <Unit193> That's default settings?
[06:38] <Unit193> And they dumped that for Unity...
[06:38] <dmcglone27> yup
[06:43] <dmcglone27> I can actually say I like this way better than Unity
[06:45] <jgould> Hmmm.. I can't install gnome3,  It needs gnome-shell wich isn't in the repo... (11.04)
[06:46] <dmcglone27> that was my problem jgould so I tried installing gnome classic first then gnome 3 and everything went south
[06:46] <dmcglone27> so I re-installed 10.10 and gnome 3
[06:46] <dmcglone27> 11.04 is shitty!
[06:47] <dmcglone27> what about you Unit193 did you get it?
[06:48] <Unit193> dmcglone27: Nothings going to happen right now
[06:48] <Unit193> I may try it in VBox...
[06:48] <dmcglone27> cool, I can almost guarantee you will like it
[06:49] <jgould> I wonder how the MacBook will respond if I roll it back to 10.04 or even 10.10
[06:49] <dmcglone27> we are gonna have to get used to this new format sooner or later, because I can see everybody doing it soon
[06:49] <dmcglone27> I'm not sure jgould
[06:49] <Unit193> Last time using Ubuntu full install was 6.10 and I'm not changing that soon...
[06:50] <dmcglone27> well I'm gonna get some shut eye, I'll see y'all tomorrow
[06:51] <jgould> Night
[06:51] <dmcglone27> Oh yeah, one more thing before I go, gnome 3 moved the damn icons back to the right side where they belong!!! :-)
[06:51] <Unit193> dmcglone27: Have a good rest!! (Thanks for the SS)
[06:51] <dmcglone27> Ok, no problem. night guys
[06:52] <Unit193> Min, Max, Close?
[06:52] <jgould> dunno
[06:52] <jgould> Heh
[06:52] <jgould> Are you in columbus, Unit?
[06:52] <Unit193> jgould: Having fun? ;)
[06:52] <Unit193> No I'm not...
[06:52] <jgould> Loads of fun.  More than I should be allowed ot have
[06:52]  * Unit193 wanted to go to the C-Bus thing
[06:53] <jgould> I was there.  First LoCo event ever
[06:53] <Unit193> Other then U-H, it would have been mine...
[06:54] <Unit193> I SO wanted to go...
[06:54] <jgould> U-H?
[06:55] <Unit193> Ubuntu Hour
[06:55] <jgould> I may go to that tomorrow.  Not sure yet.  I don't think the Missses will tag along, she was bored at the LoCo event on sunday..
[06:56] <Unit193> Come to mine?
[06:56] <Unit193> ;)
[06:56] <Cheri703> Unit193: he's in cbus
[06:56] <Unit193> I know... ---> ;)
[06:57] <jgould> Which one is yours?
[06:59] <jgould> any one else have a little blue triangle at the upper left of thier screen in Unity on 11.04?
[07:00] <Unit193> I'm not sorry, I don't use Unity
[07:05] <jgould> hmm...
[07:11] <Unit193> Cyanide and Happiness anyone?
[07:16] <jgould> Anyone else having issues with backspace not working in FF/Chrome
[07:17] <jgould> Be right back...
[07:21] <jgould> How in the hell do you pick another kernel?
[07:25] <Unit193> Last ones here: apt-cache search kernel image
[07:26] <Unit193> What one are you looking for?
[07:26] <Unit193> sudo apt-get install linux-image-virtual
[07:27] <jgould> something other than generic to see if my issue with the i915 driver is limited to generic
[07:28] <Unit193> Server or Liquorix?
[07:28] <jgould> I'm tempted to try to compile my own kernel... It's been about ten years since I've done that
[07:28] <jgould> I'm trying server
[07:38] <jgould> damn it
[07:39] <Unit193> Still errors?
[07:39] <jgould> Yep
[07:42] <jgould> I'm going to give 10.04 a shot...
[07:44] <jgould> I figure I can't hurt anything
[07:51] <Unit193> Wireless card (I don't remember)
[07:54] <jgould> Nope
[07:54] <jgould> [drm:intel_dsm_pci_probe] *ERROR* failed to get supported _DSM functions
[07:54] <jgould> It's a kernel bug with the i915 chipset
[07:58] <Unit193> jgould: Did you look at this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds?action=show&redirect=KernelTeam%2FMainlineBuilds
[08:01] <jgould> This is making my head hurt
[08:02] <Unit193> I can't help any...
[08:08] <jgould> Doing what I'm doing is how bugs get fixed...
[08:13] <Unit193> jgould: I think someone in one of my other channels has the same device
[08:15] <Unit193> Were you getting freezes from screen-savers?
[08:19] <jgould> No
[08:25] <jgould> My problem occurs on boot, and once it does, there is no recovering
[08:25] <Unit193> "xorg had an update today for intel chipsets"
[08:26]  * Unit193 <--- REALLY can't help
[08:26] <jgould> This is kernel level
[08:27] <Unit193> Yep...
[10:24] <jgould> *gru05:24:08     rchavik | *sigh*, this is going to destroy my    │ _marix
[10:25] <jgould> m05:24:08     rchavik | *sigh*, this is going to destroy my    │ _marix
[10:25] <jgould> bl05:24:08     rchavik | *sigh*, this is going to destroy my    │ _marix
[10:25] <jgould> us
[10:25] <jgould> ok then05:24:08     rchavik | *sigh*, this is going to destroy my    │ _marix
[10:25] <jgould> 05:24:08     rchavik | *sigh*, this is going to destroy my    │ _marix
[11:57] <canthus13> ..?
[13:42] <Derath-Srvr> <-- owns a System76 Lappy, and has loved it... paid extra for 3 year warranty (which I think is just about to expire, if not already...)
[17:02]  * jgould finds the nearest wall
[18:19] <jgould> Ok, I can say I've filed my first bug...
[18:38] <Derath-Srvr> ?
[18:38] <Derath-Srvr> For the macbook graphics?
[18:39] <jgould> Yep
[18:58] <jgould> intresting...
[18:58] <dmcglone> jgould: managed to try gnome 3 yet?
[18:59] <jgould> Nope.   I looked all over /usr/share/icons and nothing
[19:56] <jgould> Something intresting of note...  Under Ubuntu, the keyboard backlighting works.  Under Xubuntu, it doesn't
[20:00] <Unit193> apt-cache show pommed
[20:00] <jgould> busted install.  Irrelevent...
[20:00] <Unit193> I know - pommed also monitors the ambient light sensors to automatically light up the keyboard backlight on machines that support it.
[20:01] <jgould> 10.04 is out.  There isn't even support for the wired network card...
[20:02] <jgould> I *will* get this working or die trying...
[20:03] <Unit193> Did you try anything other then Ubuntu? What works, works (And maybe you can steal the kernel too )
[20:04] <jgould> No I haven't.  Maybe I should...
[20:04] <jgould> I wonder what kernel debian 6 is using for a default
[20:05] <deejoe> jgould: 2.6.32-5-xen-686 is what I have on one of my Debian 6 boxes
[20:07] <jgould> We'll give it a shot.  Can't be any worse than what I'm working with now...
[20:08] <jgould> I also wonder why I am unable to boot from a usb Drive on this macBook
[20:13] <jgould> I need to learn more about weechat...
[20:14] <Unit193> There are quickstart guides online
[20:17] <jgould> yep.  Been too busy dealing with the macbook and trying to get it to work
[20:18] <Unit193> Note to self: Don't try to get cousin to dual-boot
[20:19] <jgould> Why?
[20:19] <Unit193> He has a Mac
[20:19] <jgould> which mac
[20:20] <jgould> my issue is specific to this model (MacBook Pro 8,x)
[20:21] <Unit193> I have no idea... I only know what it looks like (Not really done anything with it)
[20:21] <jgould> How long has he had it?
[20:22] <Unit193> I think this year (We don't visit much, they are out of state)
[20:22] <jgould> Laptop or desktop?
[20:23] <Unit193> Silver Laptop
[20:23] <jgould> do you know if it has a thunderbolt port?
[20:24] <Unit193> No I don't...
[20:25] <jgould> Debian 6 can't see the network card..
[20:27] <jgould> So  much for trying debian 6
[20:27] <Derath-Srvr> lol @ Unit
[20:27] <Unit193> Derath-Srvr: What? I don't know what Mac he has (I've only seen it once or twice)
[20:28] <Derath-Srvr> Just laughing over dual'ing it... lol
[20:28] <jgould> With the random issues I've had with this MacBook, I regret taking the c2d MBP back...
[20:41] <jgould> Hmmm.    Unity was ok for a little bit, but now it's just annoying
[21:27] <dmcglone1> jgould: try gnome 3 it's good
[21:27] <dmcglone1> really good
[21:27] <Unit193> Linux Journal has something about Unity
[21:27] <jgould> Unit193: is it good?
[21:28] <Unit193> jgould: It's a video...
[21:32] <jgould> dmcglone1: I have to get a working system before I worry about gnome 3
[21:33] <dmcglone1> I keep forgetting you can't get anything working :-/
[21:39] <Unit193> dmcglone1: If it was on Ubunbtu, I would try it in a VM
[21:39] <dmcglone1> it's in the repos
[21:40] <Unit193> I know.   What does that mean?
[21:48] <Unit193> Link?
[21:49] <dmcglone1> it means it was confirmed to exsist
[21:49] <Derath-Srvr> means they know it's a real bug...
[21:51] <jgould> Good.  Maybe I'll get a fix and then I can fix the hole in the wall...
[21:51] <dmcglone1> don't hold your breath
[21:56] <jgould> Why do you say that
[21:57] <Derath-Srvr> Aside from taking a while to reproduce and fix?
[21:57] <dmcglone1> sometimes it takes a long time to fix bugs
[21:57] <Derath-Srvr> Well, time to go home...
[21:57] <Derath-Srvr> laters
[21:59] <dmcglone1> later
[22:27] <dmcglone> hi
[22:28] <Unit193> Hello dmcglone1, dmcglone
[22:28] <Unit193> I thought one would be weechat...
[22:29] <dmcglone> this is his douter  i did not mean to say that sorry
[22:29] <Unit193> Well, hello there!
[22:30] <dmcglone> i cant talk sorry so sorry
[22:30] <dmcglone> bot i am amy
[22:30] <Unit193> NP :x <-- me
[22:30] <dmcglone> wa
[23:53] <dmcglone1> Ha I see my daughter Amy stopped in
[23:54] <dmcglone1> She was on my desktop in the other room while I was cooking dinner
[23:55] <dmcglone1> Unit193: Actually dmcglone1 is my netbook and dmcglone is my desktop :-)
[23:56] <Unit193> School?
[23:56] <dmcglone1> I'm not following
[23:57] <dmcglone1> if you mean the kids, they are out for the day, they get out at 3:00
[23:57] <Unit193> Did she have homework to go?
[23:57] <dmcglone1> Ah no, this week is OAA testing so no homework
[23:58] <dmcglone1> I'm happy there's no homework, because I have to help them most of the time. It's like I'm going through school all over again :-/


 Is there any way to make kde connect connects automatically to my phone?
 kde connect is based on ip (re @Omar: Is there any way to make kde connect connects automatically to my phone?)
 And that automatically connect if you have already allowed
 And that automatically connect if you have already auth
 kde connect is based on ip. You can do that by add device (re @Omar: Is there any way to make kde connect connects automatically to my phone?)
[12:54] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 Hi
 Hi I installed kubuntu 23.04 KDE plasma version 5.27.4 in my laptop Dell latitude E7470 and say the followings errors No server Is especified ; no suitable video mode found ; and no video mode activated . Can someone please help me with the problem
 IB5B
 Hi I installed kubuntu 23.04 in my laptop Dell latitude E7470 and say the followings errors no server is especified; no suitable video mode found and no video mode activated. Can someone please help me?
 Hola instale kubuntu 23.04 en una laptop Dell latitude E7470 al iniciar da los errores relacionados con video y servidor . Alguien tendrá la solución para esos errores ?
[19:41] <user|9> would kubuntu run fine on 14 yr old pc with 512mb ram?


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 Hello!
 Does Ubuntu Touch work with practically every phone?
 only if its been ported
 think of it as similar to LineageOS, ot has to be ported before it will work
 @Javacookies [that looks edited? UT doesn't have that kind of "convergence" unless they implem …], lets hope they really did pull off the u4a type of thing, maybe like dex or maruos? otherwise that was a really bad choice for picture
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[07:35] <cc> excuse me ,how to install fcitx on ubtouch? i mean on libertine
[07:36] <cc> when i search fcitx on libertine,it has so many
[07:36] <cc> i dont know which one is correct
 @RX [Does Ubuntu Touch work with practically every phone?], There's a gsi version of it soo for devices that support treble yes
[07:46] <cc> can i install fcitx
 @VerenaFrey [The video shows the issue much better :). Sorry to bother you with this, if you …], I have once seen something very similar on a Nexus 4, here's the link to my post: … https://t.me/ubports/200907
 @cc [can i install fcitx], is it IME?
[08:10] <cc> https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fcitx
 you probably can't just install and use it
[08:10] <cc> i want to insatll a input
 @ruedigerkupper [I have once seen something very similar on a Nexus 4, here's the link to my post …], It looked as if the software was driving the lens so far it would hit the outer enclosure. And that would cause the wobbling. That was the best explanation I could think of. I replaced the camera, but this did not fix the problem.
[08:10] <ubptgbot> I never found out what was the real cause.
 if it is for Chinese, maybe someone can help here
[08:18] <cc> yes,
[08:18] <cc> i just want to use chinese
[08:18] <cc> when i connect keybord and mouse, i cant use input for chinese
 If the Chinese keyboard issue is a general problem we need to flag it somewhere
[09:28] <cc> maybe it's a bug
 Could be. Other users may have some experience. I wonder if it affects other languages?
[09:30] <cc> i just use english and chinese
[09:30] <cc> other languages i dont know
 I mean do we have the same in Russian and Japanese?
 If you have access to the forum, I recommend starting a topic there
 @Stereofont [I mean do we have the same in Russian and Japanese?], Russian and Japanese are not same in regards to input. Russian uses keyboard layout like English but with cyrillic letters, Japanese needs input engine like Chinese to convert (normally phonetic) input into characters
 @Stereofont [I mean do we have the same in Russian and Japanese?], [Edit] Russian and Japanese are not same in regards to input. Russian uses keyboard layout like English but with cyrillic letters, Japanese needs input engine like Chinese does to convert (normally phonetic) input into characters
 probably this issue is for CJK languages
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/Sl0oLUVn.png
 Somethings off with the font rendering in morph? Though this is actually the only site that has the problem 🤔
 Which might be intentional? 😜
 I think intentional haha
 @Stereofont [I think intentional haha], Question is, from which side? Or both?🤔
 Sigh. Fonts in Browsers. Never meant to be definable like they are today, since fonts must normally be properly installed on the system. Maybe we use a fallback font and then it looks crazy.
 Try to inspect the DOM on a desktop browser and find the font name
 Renders normally on desktop
 Haha. Small 'r' is not affected…
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 it's the quicksand font. as the site loads in Morph, first a different font is used until the rendering is completes, then quicksand is loaded and the font breaks
 @Stereofont [Haha. Small 'r' is not affected…], actually, the N and n are the only ones rendering correctly 😃
 R almost
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 @Flohack [Sigh. Fonts in Browsers. Never meant to be definable like they are today, since …], it looks to me like the Quicksand font is at least recognized, or we'd see the Ubuntu font, which surely is installed. so the Quicksand font is broken on UT?
 @YougoChats [it looks to me like the Quicksand font is at least recognized, or we'd see the U …], Well everything is possible, but its not a standard font, so maybe its downloaded incorrectly or so
 looked it up on Google Fonts, and it seems variable fonts aren't handled well by Morph.  should i make a bug report?
 You can but what can we do, its in QtWebEngine
 Its kinda sealed thingie. YOu can investigate with Qt :P
 hmm. okay given my skill level with Qt that's a dead end go me
 [Edit] hmm. okay given my skill level with Qt that's a dead end for me
 Reporting a bug is easy ^^
 that bit is in the works yes
 https://github.com/ubports/morph-browser/issues/402
 did anyone try using novnc in Morph?
 my friend reports that he can't move any windows and keyboard does not come up for him on text input
 @mateosalta [lets hope they really did pull off the u4a type of thing, maybe like dex or maru …], https://twitter.com/thefxtec/status/1320681805985550336?s=20
 https://twitter.com/thefxtec/status/1321026775732944898?s=20
[11:40] <ubptgbot> Mohamed Sayed was added by: Mohamed Sayed
 They are claiming it is a real picture, lets hope they put that feature in :)
 I don't really think having 2 different guis that change like that in a phone is to wise, I think its to much change, more bugs and issues, and more ram, CPU, and storage space used.
 I think unity 8 wont take a lot before its good enough as a desktop environment, I think the main issue is mouse and keyboard support in different apps. … The file manager for example is a mess when you use a mouse, so at the moment you might want seperate apps for desktop and mobile usage, but unity 8 is getting better and bett
[11:49] <ubptgbot> er as a desktop gui.
 hm is anyone working on a VNC client app
 @hacker12455 [hm is anyone working on a VNC client app], That needs to be implemented in Mir. But, so far as I'm aware, isn't on anyone's todo list. … https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/467
 thanks for the info and link to the issue
 my friend currently is using anbox and a vnc client in there
 suggested novnc but it has issues I listed above
 @hacker12455 [my friend currently is using anbox and a vnc client in there], Oh! I was misreading your post. I thought you wanted to VNC into the phone. Sorry!
 yeah I was wondering
 about the mir issue
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[12:29] <ubptgbot> <Václav Straka> Can i here ask questions about the kernel patching needed for flashing the GSI?
 @Václav Straka [Can i here ask questions about the kernel patching needed for flashing the GSI?], See this channel if u cant answer here … @ubports_porting
 Hello, how's the status of vcard/caldav support in UT ?
 carddav sorry
 @hacker12455 [hm is anyone working on a VNC client app], i managed to install RealVnc (armhf) in libertine some while ago. it is tiny on a phone screen and you do need a mouse and keyboard (and libertine still has that portrait mouse space bug) but it works
 @mateosalta [They are claiming it is a real picture, lets hope they put that feature in :)], oh really? hmmm....I'd still prefer a Lomiri actual convergence though but would still be good if it's real.
 so it's an Indiegogo campaign. I thought this device is already available
 @mateosalta [https://twitter.com/thefxtec/status/1320681805985550336?s=20], https://twitter.com/FukumaAkio/status/1320786810545590272 scrolling down from your link i see this. aside from their cover display pitch, does mey eye spy UT phone app??
 @mateosalta [https://twitter.com/thefxtec/status/1320681805985550336?s=20], [Edit] https://twitter.com/FukumaAkio/status/1320786810545590272 scrolling down from your link i see this. aside from their cover display pitch, does my eye spy UT phone app??
 @mateosalta [They are claiming it is a real picture, lets hope they put that feature in :)], i'm sure the picture is real. what they claim is happening vs what is really happening may vary though. if this is a picture of a running session on both screens then they are either using isodrive or some form of u4a construction. either way r
[12:51] <ubptgbot> unning full blown Gnome+ubuntu gnome extensions from a phone will be one battle for the RAM
 @mateosalta [They are claiming it is a real picture, lets hope they put that feature in :)], I think someone just made a mistake
 yeah, Lomiri can already be a memory hog on its own 😄
 @YougoChats [https://twitter.com/FukumaAkio/status/1320786810545590272 scrolling down from yo …], first time I saw this video, that doesn't look like Lomiri but the phone apps looks familiar...
 @Javacookies [first time I saw this video, that doesn't look like Lomiri but the phone apps lo …], looks like a tweaked debian to me. but it's funny how they explain they accomplished phone calls 'last time', and then show ubports' dialer app 😃
 that's open source at work 😊 but funny still
 it would ve great though if they contribute 😄 … I remember plasma mobile using most of the UT core apps years ago
 https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pro1-x-smartphone-functionality-choice-control#/ (:
 https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/10/27/fxtecs-new-pro1-x-keyboard-slider-is-the-first-phone-to-ship-with-lineageos/
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw4B1H4h39I
 so Yumi is really at the back of the phone? awesome!
 and looks like Ubuntu on Android-like feature is real
 Wait both on same phone?
 At same time?
 Like nethunter?
 honestly it's still confusing … the campaign video shows gnome desktop. The screenshot in th indiegogo page shows Lomiri on the monitor
 you can choose which OS you want, it supports Lineage UT android
 there are a lot of things I don't like — very rounded corners, curved screen, big screen than my preferred size and the price LOL … but I'm seriously interested. I like the color 😄
 my biggest issue is the price. My bq E5 is the most expensive phone I ever bought. The rest are 2nd hands and the pinephone.
 I want one but a) I'm broke, b) i have 4 phones, soon go be 5
 I want one but a) I am broke
 anyway, this is a great news for UT … more exposure and big media entities might cover this device
 [Edit] I want one but a) I'm broke, b) i have 4 phones, soon to be 5
 @Javacookies [anyway, this is a great news for UT … more exposure and big media entities might c …], Yes, kinda saying to them "hey, Ubuntu Touch isn't actually dead"
 it doesn't have the latest snapdragon processor but it's the "flagship" device we've been looking for 😁
 835 runs everything
 yeah, I'm sure it's still great
 i mean it supports anything
 what do you mean by supoort though?
 It's been around for a while and it went in the correct devices, so the Android community knows how to build for it.
 oh I see
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 I'm so tempted right now.....
 after rewatching the video, I was wrong. it is Lomiri on the monitor. So their tweeted image might be really wrong.
 @Javacookies [after rewatching the video, I was wrong. it is Lomiri on the monitor. So their t …], yes, the tweeted image is obviously wrong, as the phone also doesn't show the virtual touchpad mode
 maybe it's on edge channel 😆
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 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/TCqQrr12.png
 Yes should be like this
 I took this myself
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 Is there any port for x00td ?
 HDMI on the phone never worked for me until yesterday
 @Sam [https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pro1-x-smartphone-functionality-choice-contro …], I do hope their eventual pricing doesn't shoot too far over the pre-early bird price
 Might buy one eventually then
 @Waxberry [<reply to media>], you have the device? … It looks great already, just needs a landscape mode of ths lockscreen 😄
 @Javacookies [you have the device? … It looks great already, just needs a landscape mode of ths …], psst, that's one of the company's co-founders
 Liangchen is the founder of F(x)tec
 @UniversalSuperBox [psst, that's one of the company's co-founders], you know what? I had an idea as I just watched the podcast with them but I just wasn't sure LOL
 anyway, I'm really curious about the multi-display support that landed in edge so I was leading to that and perhaps someone try it show a sample 😅
 i just need to find someone to fund building the phone i want :P
 Newsflash: Their campaign is FUNDED!
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 @Waxberry [<reply to media>], That looks good, and the user experience  Unity8^WLomiri was intended for. … Good luck!
 @alan_griffiths [That looks good, and the user experience  Unity8^WLomiri was intended for. … Good …], it is and the dream of many people 😄
 everybody wants that
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/kE1LxRtS.webp
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/Nzm7Y1d7.mp4
 Nice phone but too expensive for me.
 @Maik_aD [Nice phone but too expensive for me.], +1
 @Maik_aD [Nice phone but too expensive for me.], Same here, but if I didn't buy a phone 3 months ago, I would totally consider it...I've been wanting a modern slider phone for years.
 @Follpvosten [Same here, but if I didn't buy a phone 3 months ago, I would totally consider it …], me too, bought a Nokia 6.2. If i had known i could buy a PinePhone with UBPorts here in Belgium and this one that came out now i would have save my money.
 @Follpvosten [Same here, but if I didn't buy a phone 3 months ago, I would totally consider it …], [Edit] me too, bought a Nokia 6.2. If i had known i could buy a PinePhone with UBPorts here in Belgium and this one that came out now i would have saved my money.
 I'd consider selling my current phone, but I think I'd rather support the port for it now
[17:08] <ubptgbot> MoriOgaj was added by: MoriOgaj
 how i can set up vpn in ubuntu touch?
 is there any way to import ovpn config?
 configuration in settings is a bit hard to me
 @Bibarub [how i can set up vpn in ubuntu touch?], doh, I remeber it used to be in the indicators (network) but not anymore … you can launch system settings, and open the VPN menu :')
 @Bibarub [configuration in settings is a bit hard to me], bruh
 @Bibarub [bruh], sry, typed it before ^^
 i gues you can use a config file, but i don't know where it is located, maybe someone knows here
 I'm loving how many Ubuntu Touch phones we're getting these days!
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/h65CUXPs.webp
 yep, me too :) … did you see the Pro1 X  ?
 @Bibarub [is there any way to import ovpn config?], not yet
 @arudy [yep, me too :) … did you see the Pro1 X  ?], Yeah, I cant afford it atm, but it's looking really good! … my main thing with the Pro1 X though is that despite the fact that it would make a bulky phone, bulkier, I like the fact that I can remove my pinephones battery and replace it if I wish, and the privacy switches are a
[17:23] <ubptgbot>  pretty thing to! … Like, my perfect phone it pretty much if the Pro1 X and the PinePhone had a child! :') … I love the keyboard, I love the camera button, I've missed the camera button from my xperia t, like, I can't wait to see the future of FX technology and the Pine64 phones because they're both offering me features that I love!
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Yeah, I cant afford it atm, but it's looking really good! … my main thing with th …], i love the pinephone, but mine is not received :/
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Yeah, I cant afford it atm, but it's looking really good! … my main thing with th …], [Edit] i love the pinephone, but mine is not received :/ … yes, finally a dedicated cam button
 @arudy [i love the pinephone, but mine is not received :/ … yes, finally a dedicated cam b …], and curved border on ubuntu touch, yay
 I'm hoping the more cool interesting and different phones we get out there, the more and different kinds of developers will join our story you know?!
 yay :) … for me this phone is the best i've seen so far (i just wish all the manufacturer think like fairphone, because it matters)
 [Edit] yay :) … for me this phone is the best i've seen so far (i just wish all those manufacturers think like fairphone, because it matters)
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Yeah, I cant afford it atm, but it's looking really good! … my main thing with th …], they said it is still possible to open it easly:  … https://youtu.be/zw4B1H4h39I?t=1046 … "the phone has been designed to open it without tools to replace the batteries"
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Yeah, I cant afford it atm, but it's looking really good! … my main thing with th …], [Edit] they said it is still possible to open it easly:  … https://youtu.be/zw4B1H4h39I?t=1046 … "the phone has been designed to open it without tools to replace the batteries"
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Yeah, I cant afford it atm, but it's looking really good! … my main thing with th …], [Edit] they said it is still possible to open it easly:  … https://youtu.be/zw4B1H4h39I?t=1046 … "the phone has been designed to open it without tools to replace the batteries" … the screen can by replaced in 5min without any glue
 i think all this explains why it is not so slim plus the keyboard, but the more i watch this video, the more i love this device
 @arudy [they said it is still possible to open it easly:  … https://youtu.be/zw4B1H4h39I?t …], Ooooo
 @arudy [i think all this explains why it is not so slim plus the keyboard, but the more …], as a owner of the device i like this device alot :P
 i have one on my desk
 @RealDanct12 [as a owner of the device i like this device alot :P], pics or it didnt happend :P
 @dohbee [not yet], i'm trying to connect, but unsuccessfully … can i pm u?
 @arudy [pics or it didnt happend :P], You bet.
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/t3P0d33k.png
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/0O6qXkZu.mp4
 @Bibarub [i'm trying to connect, but unsuccessfully … can i pm u?], i don't have time to help/direct personally. you can import an ovpn file on a PC running network-manager (it's easy with the gnome openvpn stuff), and then copy the config file and keys onto the phone and put them in the right places
 @Bibarub [i'm trying to connect, but unsuccessfully … can i pm u?], everything can be asked here so that others can learn from it too ;)
 (Photo, 606x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/sHTbwR0X.png what's wrong?
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 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/wdoltLa9.txt
 ovpn config is public
 i deleted that (i hope nobody downloaded it)
 ovpn contains the keys to connect to the vpn
 @Bibarub [ovpn config is public], it's a public config
 so no matter to delete
 sorry for bad english, i'm russian
 @Bibarub [so no matter to delete], telegram doesn't have a feature to restore deleted messages. if it really is public and ok to share in public you can upload it again
 @RealDanct12 [<reply to media>], How is it as a device?!?!
 so far awesome
 @RealDanct12 [so far awesome], you got one?
 not the X version
 @RealDanct12 [<reply to media>], jealous ++;
 still... i'm jealous
 @RealDanct12 [<reply to media>], jealous as heck, is it somehow feasible as a daily driver?
 you can use it as a daily driver
 but have not tried because im still using redmi 4x as a daily driver with android
[17:57] <ubptgbot> DrLeeB was added by: DrLeeB
 Since i've seen the AZERTY options (Bonjour), i have tears :'3
 @RealDanct12 [you can use it as a daily driver], Battery life ?!!!!
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/wd1YOAGp.txt
 @Bibarub [<reply to media>], used these files
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/26sFLUSs.null
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/9lR9YIMN.null
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/LFYWXB56.null
 what i did wrong?
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/13GDaYnI.png successfully installed ubuntu touch on redmi 4x using the installer (credit to nagendra on discord) :)
 can't wait to see this gets on people's hand
 @Bibarub [used these files], @arudy can u help me?
 @Bibarub [@arudy can u help me?], if someone has the time and ability to help you, they will try to do so. please don't ping arbitrary people to beg for help like this. thanks
 @dohbee [if someone has the time and ability to help you, they will try to do so. please …], as i told you, i hope someone know the filename of the vpn config because i don't know what it is, sorry
 @Bibarub [@arudy can u help me?], patience
 @RealDanct12 [<reply to media>], sadly, stable isnt booting :'(
 @RealDanct12 [<reply to media>], I really love it . Thank you for all your work
[19:16] <_Sym_> so how is the Pro1-X
 https://github.com/ubports/installer-configs/pull/39
 can i install snaps on UT?
 now waiting this to be merged
 @Bibarub [can i install snaps on UT?], installed snapd, but can't start it
 no you can't use snaps on UT currently
 @dohbee [no you can't use snaps on UT currently], how to install anbox?
 in a completely different way because phones aren't PCs
 also depends on which device you have because all of them aren't supported for running anbox
 @Bibarub [how to install anbox?], i've already patched my kernel
 @Bibarub [how to install anbox?], See docs.ubports.com there is a description
 @Flohack [See docs.ubports.com there is a description], Anbox kernel is not installed! Please flash this first!
 but my kernel is already patched..
 phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ ls -1 /dev/{ashmem,binder} … /dev/ashmem … /dev/binder
 @Bibarub [Anbox kernel is not installed! Please flash this first!], Hmm would need to take a look. Maybe we are whitelisting devices somehow idk
 @Flohack [Hmm would need to take a look. Maybe we are whitelisting devices somehow idk], my device is not officially supported
 @Bibarub [phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ ls -1 /dev/{ashmem,binder} … /dev/ashmem … /dev/binder], you need /dev/anbox-binder for UT Anbox
 is it Halium 9?
 @NotKit [is it Halium 9?], patched kernel
 used erfan's instructions
 https://github.com/ubports/porting-notes/wiki/Generic-system-image-(GSI)
 this
[19:29] <ubptgbot> brewages_1920 was added by: brewages_1920
 @Waxberry [<reply to media>], I like that blue
 @Bibarub [https://github.com/ubports/porting-notes/wiki/Generic-system-image-(GSI)], any ideas how to install anbox?
[20:12] <ubptgbot> <Didac Sanchez> @RealDanct12 [<reply to media>], uuuuauuu, i try iy now
[20:15] <ubptgbot> <Didac Sanchez> @RealDanct12 [<reply to media>], but the installer there isn't to phone xiaomi
 @Didac Sanchez [but the installer there isn't to phone xiaomi], because it's not released yet
 they got it installed because they're a tester
[20:19] <ubptgbot> <Didac Sanchez> aaaahh, at new realase
[20:19] <ubptgbot> <Didac Sanchez> ok
[20:27] <ubptgbot> <Didac Sanchez> if i use the isntaller, i lose of my recovery twrp?
 yes
[20:27] <ubptgbot> <Didac Sanchez> ok
 UT doesn't use TWRP to push OTA updates
[20:29] <ubptgbot> <Didac Sanchez> ok ok, i try when a new realase were to publish
 (Photo, 417x553) https://irc.ubports.com/v1mTJZRF.png Good time! Binance-Team help community!
[20:56] <ubptgbot> Raniatara was added by: Raniatara
 @Waxberry, will the Secure Boot fuse be blown on the Pro1 X shipping to customers?
 We can work with the devs to bring our own keys for UB Ports if needed
 But that means not being able to flash other things?
 No need.
 Someone was asking about super long-term possibilities with the device, and whether that is blown or not would be the key case. It's unlikely that software that could take advantage of an unblown fuse will exist within the device's lifetime.
 don't blow the secureboot fuse, or hackers wouldn't like it
 Only if they're bootloader, TrustZone, or radio hackers.
 what about people who wants to develop a FOSS modem firmware?
 @RealDanct12 [what about people who wants to develop a FOSS modem firmware?], I wish you good luck ^^
 You will finish 3G when its obsolote and 7G is standard :P
 [Edit] You will finish 3G when its obsolete and 7G is standard :P
 And, you will have 3 forks with you, which work or dont work in different countries
 Because the devs decided to not bother with implementing the standard fully ^^
[22:35] <ubptgbot> Emils was added by: Emils
 https://lotro-wiki.com/index.php/Aria_of_the_Valar
[23:09] <ubptgbot> ch3ll0v3k was added by: ch3ll0v3k
 @Bibarub [it's a public config], https://bytzvpn.com/ovpn/BytzVPN-for-Ubuntu-Touch.pdf … Try this ,from the Brax.Me app , and their openvpn instructions, I hope it helps


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[19:02] <charlie-tca> # Continue working with the new Governance structure
[19:02] <charlie-tca> # Changes for Natty Narwhal
[19:02] <charlie-tca> # login manager, GDM vs ???, a new one would be desirable - charlie-tca
[19:02] <charlie-tca> #
[19:02] <charlie-tca> New icon theme, elementary vs faenza - charlie-tca
[19:02] <charlie-tca> # Team updates (Packaging, Bug Triage, Development / Coding, Testing, Documentation, Artwork)
[19:02] <charlie-tca> Hm, not quite the order I wanted. Let's start with Team updates
[19:03] <charlie-tca> developers, where we at in natty?
[19:04] <mr_pouit> inclusion of Xfce 4.7.x is in progress (a bit blocked currently because of some stupid stuff done by glib developers)
[19:04] <charlie-tca> Great! Are we staying with the same applications as maverick?
[19:04] <mr_pouit> almost all 4.8 core libs are already there
[19:05] <mr_pouit> I think so, unless someone has new things to propose to the ml
[19:05] <charlie-tca> Okay. Thanks, mr_pouit
[19:05] <charlie-tca> website ?
[19:05] <mr_pouit> (there will probably be some issues because ubuntu is moving to gtk3 and we don't, but we'll see when they arise)
[19:06] <charlie-tca> anything else, mr_pouit ?
[19:07] <mr_pouit> no, that's all :p
[19:07] <charlie-tca> vinnl: there was some discussion of moving the website to wordpress. Is that still on-going?
[19:07] <vinnl> charlie-tca, I don't know, I believe that was knome's initiative, I have not much to do with keeping the website running
[19:08] <charlie-tca> I had hopes you knew more than me... ;-)
[19:08] <vinnl> Hehe, sorry to disappoint
[19:08] <charlie-tca> Appears that is falling by the wayside, then.
[19:09] <charlie-tca> Anyone here want to grab documentation? We really need to try and get that updated for Natty
[19:09] <vinnl> Wasn't Pasi working on an updated version with the new Xubuntu style?
[19:09] <mhall119> quick question, is Xfce upgrading to GTK3?
[19:09] <vinnl> (@website)
[19:09] <charlie-tca> As far as I know
[19:09] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: what about gtk3?
[19:09] <mr_pouit> mhall119: no, 4.8 will use gtk2
[19:10] <mhall119> ok
[19:10] <vinnl> There was a discussion on the Xfce list about this today
[19:10] <vinnl> They wanted to wait until it's been released for a while so bugs have been ironed out
[19:10] <mhall119> works for me
[19:10] <mr_pouit> (ah, I didn't have the time to check my mails from today ;)
[19:11] <mhall119> how about settings, I thought I heard a while ago plans to move to dconf/gsettings
[19:11] <vinnl> They mentioned that too, same conversation
[19:11] <mhall119> ok
[19:11] <vinnl> They wanted to, eventually, but xfconf works fine, so they're not in a hurry
[19:11] <mhall119> do you happen to hav a link to that thread vinnl ?
[19:11] <vinnl> It's not the transition that's a lot of work, it's conversion of settings :)
[19:11] <vinnl> Ehm, let me look
[19:12] <vinnl> mhall119, here: http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2010-November/028400.html
[19:12] <mhall119> thanks, cause that move is going to affect QImo
[19:12] <charlie-tca> [LINK] http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2010-November/028400.html
[19:12] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2010-November/028400.html
[19:13] <charlie-tca> okay, moving on then
[19:13] <charlie-tca> http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2010-November/028400.html
[19:13] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2010-November/028400.html
[19:14] <charlie-tca> Bugs and Testing: We are working to triage bugs as they come in. We are getting hit pretty hard on abiword right now
[19:14] <charlie-tca> Got to try and upstream those
[19:14] <charlie-tca> Testing will be ongoing, with the changes in Natty for Ubuntu, we need to try and test every day or two.
[19:15] <charlie-tca> I am running a full upgrade maverick to natty already, on my daily use machine
[19:16] <charlie-tca> Artwork: I have gotten with the community artwork team, they have drawn up a preliminary spec for us:
[19:16] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/Request-7
[19:16] <charlie-tca> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/Request-7
[19:16] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/Request-7
[19:16] <charlie-tca> If anyone has suggestions for that, I am open.
[19:17] <charlie-tca> Also, we are looking at replacing the elementary icon theme with faenza
[19:17] <charlie-tca> [LINK] http://shimmerproject.org/hg/faenza-xfce
[19:17] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://shimmerproject.org/hg/faenza-xfce
[19:17] <charlie-tca> It looks to be a very nice theme
[19:17] <charlie-tca> well, icon set
[19:18] <charlie-tca> any objections to replacing elementary?
[19:18] <vinnl> Ehm
[19:18] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: I think that faenza has severe usability problems
[19:18] <vinnl> I recall reading on the faenza page that a lot of icons were missing, recently. Is that still the case?
[19:18] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: especially with the small icons
[19:19] <thorwil> hi, let me catch up
[19:19] <TheSheep> charlie-tca: in particular, all the icons have the same outline
[19:19] <charlie-tca> You mean, the squares?
[19:19] <TheSheep> yes
[19:20] <mr_pouit> yeah, for the completeness, I think ochosi is working on it (but he doesn't seem to be here now)
[19:20] <charlie-tca> The colors are great for visibility, though
[19:20] <TheSheep> plus, the icons are different than the default icons for most applications
[19:20] <thorwil> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/Request-7 is the work of j_baer, not the "team". well, and full of problems
[19:20] <charlie-tca> Yesw, they are different
[19:20] <TheSheep> I just spent a minute looking for gimp (I enabled faenza for test)
[19:20] <charlie-tca> thorwil: help?
[19:21] <vinnl> charlie-tca, also, about the spec - what Creative Commons license must submissions adhere to?
[19:21] <vinnl> -NC is quite restrictive
[19:21] <thorwil> charlie-tca: i'm Thorsten Wilms. you will remember that we talked about design and the need for differentiation and a strategy at UDS
[19:21] <charlie-tca> Yup
[19:21] <charlie-tca> I remember. I did not realize that spec was not good.
[19:21] <thorwil> so the problem of that spec is that it is not based on any such thoughts
[19:22] <charlie-tca> should I email you and Saleel for this one?
[19:22] <thorwil> sure
[19:22] <mhall119> vinnl: IIRC, -NC isn't allowed in universe
[19:22] <charlie-tca> Glad you made it here.
[19:22] <thorwil> unless you want to discuss the very definition of the project and the strategy right here :)
[19:22] <vinnl> mhall119, more reason to state that in the spec :)
[19:23] <charlie-tca> Okay, throw the spec page out for now. I will get the artists and get a real one drawn up. If anyone has ideas, we need them.
[19:23] <mr_pouit> I can't see where -nc is written…
[19:23] <thorwil> if CC, ask for plain CC or CC-SA
[19:23] <vinnl> mr_pouit, no, but no specific CC license is specified, which implies -NC is an option
[19:23] <thorwil> NC and ND don't belong
[19:23] <vinnl> Exactly
[19:24] <mr_pouit> yeah ok
[19:24] <vinnl> Ah yeah I meant ND, that's the worst clause :)
[19:24] <knome> 'lo
[19:24] <thorwil> hi knome
[19:24] <charlie-tca> Hey , knome
[19:24] <charlie-tca> We were just discussing possible specs for artwork
[19:25] <knome> mm-hmm
[19:25] <mr_pouit> (well, with -nc you can't even put a screenshot of the desktop in a book/magazine…)
[19:26] <charlie-tca> apparently, I am in a pile of straw when it comes to it. thorwil is going to help draw up specs, I think
[19:26] <vinnl> mr_pouit, I suppose that would fall under Fair Use, which I think most countries have? Still, it'd definitely be undesirable
[19:27] <vinnl> But okay, if a new spec is going to be written, this  can be something to keep in mind, no need to discuss it further I suppose
[19:27] <thorwil> knome: where i have been gently pushing, along with Saleel, to first have a clear definition of the xubuntu project. especially how it differentiates itself from ubuntu and other. why it is worthwhile
[19:27] <thorwil> knome: as these questions will lead to a message to get across via the artwork
[19:28] <knome> yes..
[19:28] <charlie-tca> vinnl: I think we can draw it up to give us the license we need submissions to fall under
[19:29] <charlie-tca> but right now, it seems to be "guess and pray" requests
[19:29] <charlie-tca> knome: thoughts on this?
[19:30] <knome> not really
[19:30] <knome> sounds doable
[19:30] <thorwil> i'v been told that the "lightweight" aspect often makes people think xubuntu would be only for old hardware. so instead, maybe emphasize performance?
[19:30] <charlie-tca> Do we need to have a separate meeting for this discussion to happen, or do it via mailing list/emails. I don't think thorwil and saleel are on the xubuntu lists
[19:31] <thorwil> and it seems xubuntu will be conservative compared to ubuntu
[19:32] <knome> charlie-tca, since there is not artwork team in xubuntu ATM, isn't it you who accepts or declines what thorwil and saleel have drafted?
[19:32] <charlie-tca> I like the emphasize performance part
[19:32] <beardygnome> i agree with thorwil, lightweight tends to give the wrong impression
[19:32] <charlie-tca> I guess it is. but I kind of take everyone's word on it, since I don't know all the in's and out's
[19:33] <thorwil> knome: ideally most of this would come from team members, while i just offer guidance
[19:33] <knome> thorwil, there is no such 'team members'
[19:33] <charlie-tca> knome: we still like to have input on it. You know more about licenses and what the artwork should represent than I do
[19:35] <charlie-tca> [ACTION] charlie-tca to get with thorwil and Saleel about artwork specs by email
[19:35] <MootBot> ACTION received:  charlie-tca to get with thorwil and Saleel about artwork specs by email
[19:35] <knome> imo if somebody wants his work in xubuntu, it should be no problem to publish the artwork in whatever license you ask for
[19:36] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] login manager, GDM vs ???, a new one would be desirable
[19:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  login manager, GDM vs ???, a new one would be desirable
[19:36] <mhall119> why?
[19:36] <knome> charlie-tca, there has been talk about LightDM
[19:37] <charlie-tca> why? because we keep getting issues with GDM when they change things in Gnome
[19:37] <mhall119> LightDM uses webkit?
[19:38] <charlie-tca> I have been following the lightDM stuff. Does it use webkit?
[19:38] <highvoltage> yep, you can even try it in your web browser :)
[19:38] <mr_pouit> one of the greeters uses webkit
[19:38] <highvoltage> (well, the greeter, anyway)
[19:38] <mhall119> oh, appears there's a separate -webkit and -gnome versions
[19:38] <charlie-tca> gnome versions are what makes things difficult sometimes.
[19:39] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: what about what is it ? lxdm?
[19:39] <mhall119> how about LXDE's new one?
[19:39] <mhall119> heh
[19:39] <charlie-tca> Wouldn't it make things easier than GDM?
[19:39] <cyberanger> I use SLiM myself
[19:40] <mr_pouit> I don't know, didn't try since a long time. But I trust lightdm to be better written ;]
[19:41] <charlie-tca> hm, it seems like lightdm is not quite ready. Can we get with Robert Ancell on it and see what is happening?
[19:42] <charlie-tca> Who wants to follow that up?
[19:43] <charlie-tca> [ACTION] Find out more information about LightDM
[19:43] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Find out more information about LightDM
[19:43] <charlie-tca> anything else on this subject?
[19:43] <knome> charlie-tca, maybe consider also asking xfce devs
[19:44] <knome> they could know something about that...
[19:44] <charlie-tca> I like that idea, too
[19:44] <mr_pouit> Robert Ancell sent a mail to xfce4-dev a few weeks ago iirc
[19:44] <charlie-tca> [ACTION] follow up with xfce devs on display managers
[19:44] <MootBot> ACTION received:  follow up with xfce devs on display managers
[19:45] <charlie-tca> I will try to research it, then
[19:45] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Continue working with the new Governance structure
[19:45] <MootBot> New Topic:  Continue working with the new Governance structure
[19:45] <charlie-tca> yes, this is on-going.
[19:46] <charlie-tca> We are going to have to set up a vote of some kind to formalize a project lead so we can set up a governing council
[19:46] <charlie-tca> Does that make sense?
[19:46] <charlie-tca> suggestions for doing that?
[19:46] <vinnl> How are the nominees going to be decided?
[19:47] <knome> charlie-tca, the thread about lightdm @xfce4-dev ml: http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2010-August/028200.html
[19:47] <charlie-tca> At this point, I am an interim Project Lead. We can ask for monimees through the mailing list again, and give a time frame for submissions, like about two weeks
[19:47] <charlie-tca> Thanks, knome
[19:48] <charlie-tca> [LINK] http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2010-August/028200.html
[19:48] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2010-August/028200.html
[19:48] <charlie-tca> two weeks appears to be the accepted time for submissions, doesn't it?
[19:48] <vinnl> I suppose it's long enough
[19:49] <charlie-tca> then we can ask for votes, either in a meeting like this, through the mailing list, throught the community council
[19:50] <charlie-tca> I just think we need to do something
[19:50] <charlie-tca> I also plan on a meeting every two weeks at this time, to keep everyone up to date on what is happening in Xubuntu
[19:51] <charlie-tca> any suggestions on how to select the project lead?
[19:51] <vinnl> Do you think attendance will be high enough with such frequent meetings?
[19:51] <knome> just see if any volunteers step up frist
[19:51] <knome> *first
[19:51] <JanC> BTW: the LightDM -gnome greeter is actually a Gtk greeter
[19:51] <knome> agreed with vinnl - once per two weeks is a bit too much
[19:52] <mhall119> edubuntu does weekly meetings, I'm sure xubuntu can bring in at least as many people
[19:52] <charlie-tca> How high does attendance need to be? If we get the team leads to give updates, that is a good meeting for updating everyone
[19:52] <knome> would have been too much even when we had a more active community
[19:52] <charlie-tca> um, you won't generate interest without creating something
[19:52] <vinnl> mhall119, how many does Edubuntu bring?
[19:52] <vinnl> Agreed
[19:52] <charlie-tca> we have tried without any meetings, and it falls way short
[19:52] <mhall119> vinnl: usuallly only a few
[19:53] <mhall119> but it's good to keep in touch and everyone up to date
[19:53] <vinnl> Yeah zero meetings is too few I suppose :P
[19:53] <charlie-tca> We get about 10 in QA, less in bugsqad meetings.
[19:53] <charlie-tca> Accessibility has what, about 5 or 6 regulars at the meetings?
[19:53] <vinnl> Then I suppose Xubuntu would be able to pull it off as well. Still, that's a lot of meetings during the cycle. Perhaps one in three weeks would be better?
[19:54] <highvoltage> even when there's only 1 or 2 people present at an edubuntu meeting I find it useful for making sure that at least *someone* knows what's been happeneing the last week :)
[19:54] <vinnl> Hmm yeah, sounds reasonable
[19:54] <vinnl> Would be very useful for the project lead at least, I suppose
[19:54] <charlie-tca> I figured two weeks at first, then if we want to, go to monthly. It is easier with regular schedules of 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, etc
[19:55] <vinnl> So if the project lead is willing to be there once every two weeks, I suppose it's fine
[19:55] <mhall119> weekly meetings are easy to remember
[19:55] <charlie-tca> I am thinking of every two weeks, on Thursday, 19:00 UTC
[19:55] <mhall119> no "is this a meeting week or not'
[19:55] <mhall119> if it's wednesday, I know there's an edubuntu meeting
[19:56] <charlie-tca> mhall119: you make a really good point
[19:56] <charlie-tca> I have enough people here, maybe. should we vote?
[19:56] <mhall119> some edubuntu meetings don't last very long, but it's good to have them so regularly
[19:57] <charlie-tca> We could have two votes, I guess. one for weekly and one for two weeks apart. a yes vote is marked by +1, a no vote is -1
[19:57] <charlie-tca> everyone is allowed to vote
[19:58] <charlie-tca> [VOTE] for weekly meeting
[19:58] <MootBot> Please vote on:  for weekly meeting.
[19:58] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[19:58] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[19:58] <vinnl> +1
[19:58] <MootBot> +1 received from vinnl. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[19:58] <mhall119> +1
[19:58] <MootBot> +1 received from mhall119. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[19:58] <mr_pouit> +1
[19:58] <MootBot> +1 received from mr_pouit. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[19:58] <beardygnome> +0
[19:58] <MootBot> Abstention received from beardygnome. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
[19:58] <charlie-tca> -1
[19:58] <MootBot> -1 received from charlie-tca. 3 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
[19:58] <knome> -1
[19:58] <MootBot> -1 received from knome. 3 for, 2 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
[19:59] <charlie-tca> Any other votes?
[19:59] <charlie-tca> [ENDVOTE]
[19:59] <MootBot> Final result is 3 for, 2 against. 1 abstained. Total: 1
[20:00] <charlie-tca> Now what do I do? should we vote for two weeks too?
[20:00] <beardygnome> yes
[20:00] <knome> vote for one month
[20:00] <charlie-tca> [VOTE] for meetings every two weeks
[20:00] <MootBot> Please vote on:  for meetings every two weeks.
[20:00] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[20:00] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[20:00] <charlie-tca> +1
[20:00] <MootBot> +1 received from charlie-tca. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[20:00] <beardygnome> +1
[20:00] <MootBot> +1 received from beardygnome. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[20:01] <mr_pouit> +0
[20:01] <MootBot> Abstention received from mr_pouit. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
[20:02] <vinnl> +0
[20:02] <MootBot> Abstention received from vinnl. 2 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 2
[20:02] <mhall119> +0
[20:02] <MootBot> Abstention received from mhall119. 2 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 2
[20:02] <charlie-tca> [ENDVOTE]
[20:02] <MootBot> Final result is 2 for, 0 against. 3 abstained. Total: 2
[20:03] <charlie-tca> I am not sure that did any good. If we have meetings every week, we get more attendance, it looks like.
[20:03] <charlie-tca> Some people will make every other meeting, which is great!
[20:03] <charlie-tca> I think the second vote was pointless. plan on meeting every week
[20:04] <beardygnome> charlie-tca: if you're happy to run the meeting every week then go with every week
[20:04] <charlie-tca> [AGREED] Xubuntu community meetings will be held every week on Thursday at 19:00 UTC
[20:04] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Xubuntu community meetings will be held every week on Thursday at 19:00 UTC
[20:04] <highvoltage> if weekly meetings doesn't work you can always fall back on not doing them :)
[20:05] <charlie-tca> If I miss a week, someone else should feel free to chair
[20:05] <charlie-tca> And now,
[20:05] <vinnl> I'm not sure if  that's going to happen :P
[20:05] <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Any other business
[20:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any other business
[20:06] <charlie-tca> going,
[20:06] <mhall119> is Xubuntu going to automatically benefit from the work being done to reduce the size of the Ubuntu ISO?
[20:06] <charlie-tca> Not necessarily. It depends on what they do
[20:06] <charlie-tca> When they cut gimp, it did not help us
[20:07] <charlie-tca> going,
[20:07] <mhall119> they're dropping perl deps
[20:07] <mhall119> and re-building packages to be smaller
[20:07] <mhall119> optimizing images
[20:07] <mhall119> etc
[20:07] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: that should help, right?
[20:07] <mhall119> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/performance-desktop-n-install-footprint
[20:08] <mr_pouit> yeah, for the ones that are done automatically (png optimization)
[20:08] <charlie-tca> [LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/performance-desktop-n-install-footprint
[20:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/performance-desktop-n-install-footprint
[20:08] <mr_pouit> (and also removal of packages' changelogs)
[20:09] <charlie-tca> I want to thank all of you for attending. Let's continue next week! :-)
[20:09] <charlie-tca> mhall119: does that work?
[20:09] <mhall119> same day/time?
[20:09] <mhall119> charlie-tca: does what work?
[20:09] <charlie-tca> the answer from mr_pouit
[20:09] <mhall119> oh, yeah, thanks
[20:10] <charlie-tca> Next meeting Thursday 19:00 UTC
[20:10] <charlie-tca> #endmeeting
[20:10] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 14:10.
[20:10] <mhall119> I'll be bugging you guys a lot more in the next 5 months, for sure
[20:10] <charlie-tca> Works for us
[20:10] <mhall119> should I hang out in #xubuntu or #xubuntu-devel?
[20:10] <vinnl> Thanks for chairing charlie-tca
[20:11] <beardygnome> thankc charlie-tca
[20:11] <charlie-tca> mhall119: #xubuntu-devel
[20:11] <beardygnome> *thanks
[20:11] <mr_pouit> mhall119: -devel if it's for development related questions :P
[20:11] <mhall119> ok, thanks
[20:11] <charlie-tca> You are welcome.


[15:13] <cjwatson> wgrant: Considering buildinfo storage.  Current tools may include a buildinfo file with each upload.  But PackageUpload is probably too recondite a place to store this, and I think it should probably go on SourcePackageRelease or BinaryPackageBuild as appropriate.  Does that make sense?
[15:13] <cjwatson> The plausible alternative would be to just ignore buildinfo files in uploads, but I'd rather keep them even if we do only minimal processing at the moment.
[18:59] <wgrant> cjwatson: Seems to belong to SPR and BPB to me. PU doesn't make much sense.


[19:15] <vish> !away
[19:15] <vish> ^the excessive scrolling is unfair to everyone, and just just new users :)
[19:20] <vish> i meant not* just …
[19:20]  * vish is just too good at "English-IRC" thats all.. ;p
[19:30]  * bcurtiswx takes back vish's award for best "English-IRC-ist of the year"
[19:31] <vish> bcurtiswx: hehe! thanks! hope it goes to someone more deserving... i always wished i wasnt soo good at it ;)