[08:53] <juliux> RichEd-1, are this logos still the right? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuLogo?highlight=%28logo%29%7C%28edubuntu%29
[08:53] <RichEd> hi juliux
[08:53] <RichEd> chceking now
[08:53] <RichEd> *checking
[08:54] <juliux> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=EdubuntuLogo.eps
[08:54] <RichEd> juliux: should be as far as I know
[08:54] <juliux> ok
[08:54] <juliux> then i can send this to the printer for the mugs;)
[08:57] <juliux> RichEd, 300 edubuntu mugs are now on there long way to the german locoteam
[08:57] <RichEd> :)
[14:35] <sakhi> Hi, where can I download the the educational apps in edubuntu?
[14:47] <RichEd> sakhi: please clarify a bit
[14:48] <RichEd> do you have edubuntu installed ?
[14:48] <RichEd> or do you want to add edu apps to ubuntu
[14:51] <sakhi> RichEd: Hi,
[14:51] <RichEd> hi
[14:51] <sakhi> I have edubuntu installed
[14:52] <RichEd> okay ... so now you will have some education apps installed by default ... on the menu options [Education] & [Games]
[14:52] <RichEd> To see what else is (1) available from the Ubuntu repositories and (2) tested for your Edubuntu installation version ...
[14:53] <RichEd> [Applications]
[14:53] <RichEd> [[Add/Remove]]
[14:53] <RichEd> Look in the catagory education
[14:54] <RichEd> To see more than just the supported & non commercial apps, select the two checkboxes
[14:54] <RichEd> --
[14:56] <sakhi> ok, thanks
[14:59] <RichEd> note that any application you install from there will 1. work 2. be supported with automatic updates & security & patches etc. when your machine checks the repositories every time you connect to the internet
[15:01] <sakhi> ok, lets say I customised edubuntu and now I need to take that customisation and add it on a CD for installation.
[15:03] <sakhi> RichEd: basically I need to be able to put the same customisation to any other PC with Edubuntu.
[15:03] <RichEd> sakhi: if the machines are all the same, you can do a ghost type disk cloning using a opensource ghost
[15:04] <RichEd> if not, there is a way to build the setup you have just created for auto-install on many machines ...
[15:04] <RichEd> let me try to dig out the info for you
[15:08] <sakhi> RichEd: Can you please forward me you e-mail address.
[15:09] <sakhi><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:11] <RichEd> sakhi: done
[15:11] <RichEd> back in 5 mins
[15:11] <sakhi> thanks
[17:08] <DJ_Danni> Hello


[01:30] <DoverMo> CubebUtils for html5 playback? is this normal?
[01:30] <DoverMo> i don't think i've ever seen it before
[01:43] <DoverMo> looks like it's in mozillas source code
[09:37] <leighton> hey guys anyone got a link on how to add a new resolution. brand new hp laptop will only run 800x600. searched google and tried what they say and am getting all sorts of errors
[09:37] <leighton> ubuntustudio btw 14.04 lts
[09:39] <cfhowlett> leighton, you gotta get the right video card driver
[12:59] <ya_> Всем привет
[13:01] <cfhowlett> !ru | ya_
[15:21] <darkad> Hi all, have you ever tried to optimize your distro?
[15:31] <holstein> darkad: yes
[15:31] <holstein> darkad: i actually, to borrow something from Yoda, have not tried.. i just do it
[15:32] <holstein> i have optimized a filesystem for ssd.. i have optimized a kernel for various hardware support.. optimized lots of different parts of many operating system.. phone OS's for battery life.. etc
[15:33] <darkad> Where can I start from to optimize my os?
[15:34] <holstein> darkad: you would first state the intention, and either search for that, or a volunteer can assist
[15:34] <holstein> like "i am trying to optimize my operating system for web browsing".. or, whatever you are trying to do..
[15:35] <holstein> if its "im trying to optimize ubuntustudio for audio production"... it is already optmized for that..
[15:35] <holstein> if its not meeting your needs, you share, again, what those specific needs are..
[15:39] <darkad> the fan coolers are so noisy while I browse on internet, everytime I change a webpage, fan start in a noisy way !
[15:39] <holstein> darkad: sounds to me like, you are likely using flash
[15:40] <holstein> you can read here http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[15:40] <darkad> no
[15:40] <holstein> adobe doesnt create current flash for desktop linux. they make it for chrome
[15:40] <holstein> i suggest trying the chrome browser with the built-in current flash player.. then you can see if your performance is "better"
[15:41] <holstein> also, another factor is the GPU driver.. if you have a proprietary graphics driver available, you can try that
[15:41] <holstein> !ati
[15:41] <darkad> performance are better with chrome but it's noisy although I don't browse flash websites.
[15:41] <holstein> if not, you can look into the hardware as well.. see that its not malfunctioning..
[15:42] <darkad> I've isntalled latest intel driver from 01.org
[15:42] <holstein> darkad: you should be using the one in the repos
[15:42] <holstein> darkad: regardless, i'll just list the possibilities, and you can rule them ou
[15:42] <holstein> out*
[15:42] <darkad> are same driver but older
[15:43] <holstein> darkad: i would open the machine, and look and see that the cooler is attached properly, and that the fans are working.. and that its clean
[15:43] <holstein> i would test with live isos.. i'll also pull my hard drive so i can test and not worry about breaking it
[15:43] <holstein> darkad: it can be a possibility that the hardware is not intended to perform as well under linux
[15:44] <darkad> fans are ok until I start browsing on internet
[15:44] <darkad> If I don't change page after two minutes the noise is reduced
[15:45] <holstein> darkad: sure, friend.. but, we konw that "then internet" is not making your machine hot
[15:45] <holstein> darkad: so, you look into the processes and drivers that are running, and what they are doing
[15:45] <holstein> darkad: or, you accept that, since you are not promised linux support, you may have to deal with compromises like that
[15:45] <holstein> darkad: if all is well, and the performance is acceptable, then, i would just use the machine as is
[15:46] <holstein> darkad: one thing i also would want to test is the default generic kernel with the ubuntu repo drivers in place.. nothing added.. i would do that with the stock ubuntu iso or xubuntu iso live
[15:48] <darkad> in which way you would look into processes and drivers that are running?
[15:50] <holstein> darkad: what i do, friend, is i'll actually remove the hard drive, so i can *really* test these factors ,and force reset if needed
[15:50] <holstein> this is on a new machine that i want to force linux on, which is what we are doing
[15:51] <holstein> you are taking a machine that states support for a completely different operating system,a nd forcing it to run something else
[15:51] <holstein> a team of professionals were paid and worked years, likely, to make sure that hardware ran cool and quiet in windows or another OS
[15:51] <holstein> we are taking that responsibility on ourselves, when we choose to put something else on it
[15:52] <darkad> it's like running os from usb
[15:52] <holstein> i'll test with differtent live iso's.. i wont use the niche flavors like ubuntustudio.. i'll test with main ubuntu, and/or xubuntu
[15:52] <holstein> i want the largese community of relevant support
[15:53] <holstein> ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu, so, anything i learn at ubuntu support will be relevant, but, im not at the niche audio-specific support avenue asking about hardware level support that is not addressed specifically in the community
[15:53] <holstein> i'll use the latest LTS, and any other support LTS.. 12.04, and 14.04 now, as well as any other versions like the upcoming release
[15:54] <holstein> i want different kernels, for testing different hardware support.. i'll also entertain the possibility that, everything is just fine, and thats the way it will actually function in linux
[15:54] <holstein> its likely, well know, and common for hardware to take a hit in performance, due to driver support in linux
[15:56] <darkad> well I think ubuntustudio can be considered as an os itself
[15:57] <holstein> darkad: no doubt
[15:57] <holstein> darkad: i didnt say, nor imply that its not
[15:57] <holstein> darkad: im simply telling you the fact that, we dont address anything relevant to hardware support like that
[15:57] <holstein> darkad: everything, that would effect the driver support, or process issues you are tracking down, relevant to your fan speed, is directly inherited from upstream
[15:58] <holstein> darkad: and, when i stop typing, its just you here.. by yourself
[15:58] <holstein> darkad: so, im explaining to you what i would do, since ubuntustuduio is not responsible for addressing those issues, and it is using all the same software repos from upstream
[15:59] <holstein> darkad: this is simply a way for you to get an actual community of support.. volunteers that *are* in the area of providing support for the tools and software that can be effecting your fan speed
[15:59] <holstein> darkad: you should do this with a live iso, since you are not using the ubuntu drivers any longer
[15:59] <holstein> darkad: if you use intel's driver, you get support from intel..
[16:11] <darkad> It was the same before Intel driver installation. I think that something changes when the cpu ondemand changes the power or speed requested from cpu. You are asking to talk about it in ubuntu channel, by doing the same experiment with a live iso. I would like to find a solution now, with my operating system. Anyway if you don't want to talk about cpu governor choice on an ubuntustudio os, do that, as I'm free to talk about it, in this ubuntustudio ch
[16:11] <darkad> annel isnt'it?
[16:12] <cfhowlett> darkad, he suggested a reasonable troubleshooting method to localize the issue ...
[16:16] <darkad> I understood it and I'll try, it's reasonable but it's one of ways to find the solution, I think. Would we try with debian os too?
[16:16] <cfhowlett> darkad, can't advise you on debian ...
[16:16] <holstein> darkad: what im actually suggesting is, there may be *no* "solution". that there actually may be nothing wrong
[16:17] <holstein> darkad: the linux kernel is modular, and, though, i do personally suggest trying different distros, i think you'll find *all* major distros contain the same driver for your hardware
[16:17] <holstein> darkad: and, we are assuming its driver support, still..
[16:18] <holstein> darkad: you are free and welcome to be in this channel for as long as you like.. we are glad to have you.. all im suggesting is a way to get to a place that actually deals with that level of support
[16:19] <holstein> darkad: this channel is more specific to the higher level of audio specific configruation.. we dont do anything on that level.. we just inherit the kernel from upstream.. dont address any hardware support here
[16:21] <holstein> *we dont address hardware support here, in this community, i mean... though, you are welcome to ask, certainly, here, anytime you like...
[16:27] <darkad> Thank you anyway!
[16:29] <holstein> thats just how i address that *exact* issue, personally.. which, i'll find that, about half the time, a GPU driver effects the fans speed in some way.. the rest of the time, no change


[05:17] <bcx> How can i set a gnome-shell theme from the command line ?
[10:02] <vitalish> good day to everybody! i hope i got to the right place and there will be someone to help with my little problem.
[10:03] <darkxst> vitalish, how could we know if you don't describe your problem ;)
[10:04] <vitalish> i am trying to type the decription =))
[10:06] <vitalish> how do you set the number of workspaces in ubuntu gnome? i've tried it in the bottom right corner of desktop there's a workspace switcher (which i found to be the only graphical mention of workspaces in the system), when trying to select preferences of it and set the number to be more than 1, it still defaults to 1, however it changes the number of rows.
[10:06] <vitalish> i couldn't find the settings of workspace switcher anywhere else. =) so i am kind of stuck.
[10:07] <darkxst> vitalish, they are by default dynamic (created as required) but you can set a number in gnome-tweak-tool
[10:07] <vitalish> i will be fine with any console way of resolving it as long as it works
[10:10] <vitalish> =) thank you darkxst for the tip. however it doesn't change the switcher. as far as i can see now. it does let to change the number but the switcher still says it's got one workspace =)
[10:10] <vitalish> am i doing something wrong?
[10:11] <darkxst> could be a bug, its not really a supported config
[10:19] <darkxst> vitalish, can you switch to workspaces that don't show in switcher?

[10:43] <vitalish> sorry for the silence =)
[10:43] <vitalish> no, i cannot switch to other workspaces.
[10:46] <vitalish> unless the key combination to switch have changed, it was ctrl+alt+arrowkey, right?
[10:46] <darkxst> yes
[10:47] <darkxst> vitalish, file a bug
[10:49] <bcx> How can i enable a gnome-shell theme from the command line ?
[10:50] <darkxst> bcx by typing a lot
[10:50] <vitalish> right. there's always no easy way =))) but thanks, darkxst! =)
[10:50] <darkxst> vitalish, its a bug, do file a report
[10:51] <darkxst> vitalish, preferbably upstream as well, on bugzilla.gnome.org
[10:51] <bcx> darkxst: I use a machine build script, so typing is not an issue
[10:51] <darkxst> bcx there is an extension-enabled key in the gsettings schemas
[10:52] <darkxst> just add your extension to that array
[10:53] <darkxst> "enabled-extenstions"
[10:53] <darkxst> "enabled-extensions"
[10:53] <bcx> darkxst: at the moment i have user-theme extension installed but setting the name is not enough
[10:53] <darkxst> oh themes
[10:54] <darkxst> they are different
[10:54] <bcx> darkxst: I am talking about the gnome-shell one
[10:54] <darkxst> bcx, I am confused are you trying to enable user-theme extension or actual themes?
[10:55] <bcx> both
[10:55] <bcx> user-themes extension is in the enabled array and shows in tweak tool
[10:55] <darkxst> well the first uses the above mentioned key
[10:56] <bcx> the theme name is in the "name" but it is not applied
[10:56] <darkxst> the latter, idk, but all user-themes does is make shell look in the user home dir for themes
[10:57] <bcx> I think my issue is that dbus is not available while my build script is running
[10:58] <darkxst> that could cause problems depending on how you are doing what
[10:59] <bcx> when I look at user-theme extension srouce code I can see:   const Main = imports.ui.main; Main.setThemeStylesheet(_stylesheet); Main.loadTheme();
[11:00] <bcx> I don't know how to do equivalent thing from the command-line without dbus, ie the unix file-only way as the information must end someone on filesystem
[11:00] <darkxst> bcx, you can't
[11:02] <darkxst> that is actually loading the theme into the JS engine
[11:02] <bcx> so my current implementation installs user-theme extension, installs the theme, sets it in dconf -> so i can see it selected with gnome-tweak-tool, but is not applied since dbus was unavailable at install time, manually selecting again in gnowme-tweak-tool though resolves my problem
[11:02] <darkxst> bcx, probably you are doing it all wrong
[11:03] <darkxst> and I don't know what you are building, but look at gsettings overrides and or gnome-shell modes
[11:03] <bcx> darkxst: what is the right way to pre-build a gnome themed env ?
[11:04] <darkxst> bcx, at a system level, gsettings overrides
[11:04] <bcx> I use glib overrides to activate the user-theme extension and setting my chosen theme
[11:05] <darkxst> bcx you don't even need user-theme extension if theme is installed properly in the root filesystem
[11:07] <bcx> darkxst: great ! how to do that ?
[11:08] <darkxst> bcx, look at ubuntu-gnome-default-settings
[11:09] <darkxst> I have zero time for tutoring people atm
[11:10] <bcx> darkxst: ok will look at the package sources
[11:26] <bcx> darkxst: 20_ubuntu-gnome-default-settings.gschema.override in the mentionned package sets a gtk-theme but no gnome-shell theme
[11:27] <darkxst> bcx, yes, we use the upstream gnome theme
[11:28] <darkxst> but you can set that also similarly
[11:29] <bcx> darkxst: setting [org.gnome.shell.extensions.user-theme] / name, is not enough
[11:29] <darkxst> bcx, again no user-theme for system themes
[11:30] <bcx> darkxst: hmmm, should I understand that i should not use user-theme extension to set the gnome-shell theme ?
[11:30] <bcx> darkxst: and use another dconf key ?
[11:31] <darkxst> bcx, so long as theme is installed in /usr/share/ you can just use the standard keys, no extenstion required
[11:32] <bcx> darkxst: ok, what is the standard key for setting the gnome-shell theme, I have not found it ?
[11:34] <bcx> darkxst: I thought that only the user-theme extension was able to do that
[11:36] <darkxst> bcx, I don't know what the key is off the top of my head
[11:36] <darkxst> but user-theme is only to load themes from home dir
[11:55] <bcx> darkxst: maybe there is a dbus message doing this ?
[11:59] <bcx> darkxst: currently all literature I can find on google mentions the user-theme extension for setting the theme
[12:00] <darkxst> bcx, don't trust google, there are no good docs there
[12:01] <darkxst> you can set a system theme without that extension
[12:01] <darkxst> of course that is beyond most users, that just want download a theme to their home-dir and then set it
[12:03] <bcx> darkxst: so where can I find docs/clues about it ?
[12:06] <bcx> darkxst: or if it is undocumented how can I talk to a developer that knows it ?
[12:07] <darkxst> bcx, the keys are there, gnome-tweak-tool uses them
[12:08] <darkxst> bcx, you can talk to me more about it, but not tonight, I sleep
[12:10] <bcx> thanks darkxst, what is the right timezone for you (i'm in Europe) ?
[12:14] <darkxst> bcx, australia
[12:15] <darkxst> bcx UTC +11 atm
[12:16] <bcx> darkxst: thanks for helping, I will come back this night (your day), good night
[14:57] <Olotila_> computer goes to sleep when wathcing youtube, how do i stop that?
[14:58] <Olotila_> now i have "never sleep", but i do want it to sleep when i dont use it, but not sleep when watching videos etc.
[14:59] <bcx> Olotila_:  check out https://github.com/hotice/lightsOn , I have not tried it
[18:09] <octoquad> Olotila_, you can also check out https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/517/caffeine/
[18:09] <octoquad> bcx, thanks for sharing that one :)


[07:04] <Kilos> morning all
[07:04] <Kilos> hi superfly
[07:04] <superfly> morning Kilos
[10:07] <charl> good afternoon
[10:07] <charl> hi Kilos, superfly
[10:07] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[10:07]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[10:11] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[10:18] <charl> Maaz: thanks :)
[10:18] <Maaz> charl: no problemo
[10:19] <Kilos> hi charl sorry i was outside cracking nuts
[10:19] <Kilos> hehe
[10:21] <Kilos> pecan nuts that sis chops into tiny pieces and adds in fruit cakes and other cookie things
[10:27] <inetpro> good afternoon
[10:28] <Kilos> ohi inetpro dit werk
[10:28] <inetpro> Kilos: our pecan nuts failed us this year
[10:28] <Kilos> aw
[11:15] <charl> nice Kilos
[11:15] <charl> hi inetpro
[11:15] <inetpro> hi charl
[11:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> g'day
[11:50] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[12:42] <charl> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[13:15] <charl> http://web.media.mit.edu/~mellis/cellphone/
[13:16] <charl> DIY cellphone
[13:16] <charl> amazing
[13:26] <Kilos> mooi, lyk presies soos die ander
[13:26] <Kilos> rofl
[13:45] <charl> net so lelik
[13:49] <Trixar_za> Squirm: I gave into the temptation of the brownie again
[15:09] <inetpro> oh cool
[15:12] <Kilos> guys sis has lost the ebook icon on the desktop of her android tablet after an upgrade now she cant find how to put it back from wherever its hiding
[15:12] <Kilos> can someone please advise me
[15:14] <Kilos> she says the ebooks are in applications but she cant open them from there
[16:23] <charl> http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/57249/the-mystery-of-the-disappearing-app-icons
[16:23] <charl> what about simply reinstalling the app ?
[16:23] <charl> or will that result in data loss as well ?
[19:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo all
[19:35] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[21:05] <superfly> ohi
[21:05] <Kilos> hi superfly
[21:24] <superfly> hi Kilos


[01:33] <alexandros_c> has anyone had linux 3.5.0-26 -generic failed to upgrade? and did you resolve this problem?
[03:36] <gohst> CR
[03:36] <gohst> CR
[03:36] <gohst> CR
[03:53] <JDude> Hi, I'm trying to manually pair an apple bluetooth keyboard following this link: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224673 And I cannot locate hcid.conf, where bluetooth device information is stored, I'm aware this may be different in Lubuntu, but can anyone help me find the package to get this file or maybe something equivalent to this file on lubuntu. Thanks
[04:03] <JDude> Okay it worked using the package bluez-compat. Nevermind that problem
[04:06] <lxle> cool
[04:19] <cdoublejj> simcity 4 is the one you can fly and drive in?
[04:25] <lxle> up for beta testing if anyone is interested, www.lxle.net
[04:25] <artrei> so i'm using ubuntu and i already tried lxde, now i want to switch completely to lubuntu but i don't wanna lose my files, how should i do this? i have lubuntu cd
[04:26] <lxle> artei, http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelubuntu
[04:28] <artrei> lxle, that's how to remove ubuntu, how to install lubuntu after that?
[04:30] <artrei> oh it
[04:31] <artrei> i see it will installed lubuntu too, thanks lxle
[04:32] <lxle> np
[04:44] <phiscribe> i just did an update today and it wrecked my flash.  i saw iced tea stuff coming in.  i thought id gotten rid of that and was using adboe.  anyone have flash video go south?
[04:45] <lxle> ya a few times, i had to resort to using an older flash on some machines to get it back
[04:48] <phiscribe> why did it remove my prefrences for adobe flash and force the iced tea crap on me i wonder
[04:48] <phiscribe> im looking at it now and it removed the adboe-flashpugin
[04:51] <lxle> icedtea is java plugin
[04:51] <lxle> not flash
[04:55] <phiscribe> but it seem to do something to my flash
[04:55] <phiscribe> not iced tea itself but the update.
[04:56] <phiscribe> i didnt even think i was using ice tea.  its like it was forced. with just apt-get upgrade.  i dunno wasnt paying that much attention
[04:58] <phiscribe> crap flash is half dead now.  i can hear the audio but not video.  not controls, pause stop ect. in youtube.  somtimes i really hate linux
[04:59] <phiscribe> now i begin a nerdy pilgrimage to the alter to find the esoteric bugg in the land of google.  might take a minute, might take a month.
[05:05] <phiscribe> apt needs a built in rollback
[06:55] <kakes> Hi,
[06:59] <kakes> i've got a mediasonic 2bay enclosure connected to a netbook running lubuntu 12.10. I'm trying to turn this into a NAS to access mostly video from a raspberry pi and other computers on my LAN. I installed samba and dependencies and the drive is visible on my mac book pro and on my raspberry pi running raspbmc. i can access local files on netbook but get the following error when I try to access the mediasonic drive "The operation can’
[07:00] <kakes> The operation can’t be completed because the original item for “Folder name” can’t be found.
[07:01] <kakes> I found one solution that requires me to use the "force" command but this command does not appear to be available. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1797058
[07:01] <kakes> Could someone help me figure out what package i'd need to install to use this command or a better way to go about solving my problem? Many thanks
 how do i get multiple key layouts on the same gui
 like dvorak, querty, devanagari, chinese & arabic
[13:15] <Ned_Flanders> hi can anyone help me?
[15:11] <oid> Do any normal people use Linux or is it just for hardcore computer geeks?
[16:49] <artrei> hi, how to fix glx missing for nvidia?
[17:49] <artrei> how do i call panel settings from terminal?
[17:49] <Dantas_> hello, does lubuntu comes with a menu editor?
[17:50] <Dantas_> just like alacarte or something similar
[18:12] <coventry> The first time through the lubuntu installer, it gave me the option to use the advanced partitioner, after I elected to encrypt the installation and use LVM.  On that installation, my password didn't go through correctly, perhaps because I chose the dvorak keyboard layout.  Going through the installer again, it's no longer giving me the option to use the advanced partitioner after I elect encryption, it's just asking me for a
[18:12] <coventry> key, and instead of the "Next" button, there's "Install now."  This concerns me because I want to install on /dev/sdb, and I'm worried it's going to go straight to installing on /dev/sda, and blow away what I currently have there.  How can I work around this?
[18:13] <xnox> coventry: there is no way to setup lvm in advanced partitioning.
[18:13] <xnox> coventry: you can setup encryption in both automatic and advanced partitioning.
[18:14] <coventry> xnox:  Thanks, how do I do that in advanced partitioning?
[18:14] <xnox> coventry: it will ask you for /dev/sdb or /dev/sda
[18:15] <xnox> coventry: but it's best to unplug precious hard-drives ;-) when formatting stuff
[18:15] <coventry> Oh, yeah, that'll work.  :-)  Thanks.
[18:49] <zleap> skyblues rock :D
[18:56] <leoquant> blueskies also
[18:59] <zleap> leoquant, skyblues are the nickname for coventry city fc
[18:59]  * zleap is kind assuming coventry is from coventry
[18:59] <zleap> kind of
[18:59] <leoquant> ah!
[18:59] <leoquant> ツ
[19:00] <zleap> :)
[19:00]  * zleap is also from coventry originally
[19:04] <coventry> No, not from Coventry, it's my surname.  Never heard of skyblues before.  Good to know, though.
[19:05] <zleap> ok cool
[19:05] <zleap> :)
[19:19] <lxle> the lxle distro is tentatively off the ground today.... thanks everyone for all your help


[11:33] <weltschmerz> how do i make my machine refresh after changing the hosts file?
[11:33] <vertex> i have it
[11:33] <axisys> ls -al /root/.ssh/known_host
[11:33] <axisys> paste that output here
[11:33] <aaron> weltschmerz, shouldn't have to do anything
[11:33] <cameron_> what app should I use to setup a network?
[11:33] <howlingmadhowie> weltschmerz: it should use the hosts file automatically
[11:33] <ompaul> axisys, no
[11:33] <bobn> weltschmerz - should happen automatically linux doesn;t cahce.
[11:33] <ompaul> vertex, do not
[11:33] <ompaul> !paste
[11:33] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:33] <axisys> ompaul: thats one like
[11:33] <bobn> (cahce
[11:33] <axisys> line
[11:33] <weltschmerz> weird.
[11:33] <bobn> *cache
[11:34] <howlingmadhowie> cameron_: what do you want to do with the network? (you don't set up a network, you set up services which run on a network)
[11:34] <axisys> ompaul: that is just one line
[11:34] <bobn> browsers may cache tho.
[11:34] <Juan> hey
[11:34] <weltschmerz> i have defined LIBERECO as <IP_ADDRESS>, but when i ping it, it says it is pinging <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:34] <ompaul> axisys, supposing he had 20 machines in there
[11:34] <axisys> ompaul: u just pasted more line here
[11:34] <axisys> ompaul: no I know what I am doing
[11:34] <Incandenzian> has anyone put Google Earth on their machine?
[11:34] <howlingmadhowie> weltschmerz: you enter: ping libereco
[11:34] <weltschmerz> yup.
[11:34] <howlingmadhowie> weltschmerz: and it pings <IP_ADDRESS>?
[11:34] <vertex> however the right path is /home/wxcvbn/.ssh/known_hosts
[11:34] <axisys> ompaul: look at his previous output http://rafb.net/p/LiYPh436.html
[11:34] <Juan> i'm having problems copying dvds, it takes about 20 minutes to just create the iso on 16x and 18x dvdrws. does anyone know why?
[11:34] <ompaul> axisys, then just tell him to delete that fingerprint and start again
[11:34] <weltschmerz> another entry in my hosts file works, but not this one.
[11:34] <weltschmerz> howlingmadhowie indeed.
[11:35] <Ominous> is there some kind of roleback feature in ubuntu
[11:35] <cameron_> well, I have a windows based pc with file sharing, and I want to share files on that ps and maybe use the printer
[11:35] <axisys> ompaul: but he said no file exists
[11:35] <axisys> ompaul: earlier
[11:35] <hsatera> to install linux under windows previous installation, the ubuntu partitioner would solve the problem?
[11:35] <emohand> ati radeon 9250......?
[11:35] <axisys> ompaul: i deal with this million times
[11:35] <ompaul> axisys, it must if that is the error
[11:35] <howlingmadhowie> weltschmerz: then i would presume there is an entry for libereco in your hosts file
[11:35] <weltschmerz> yes of course.
[11:35] <Juan> i'm having problems copying dvds, it takes about 20 minutes to just create the iso on 16x and 18x dvdrws. does anyone know why?
[11:35] <vertex> i got that file axisys
[11:35] <axisys> ompaul: i know .. trust me
[11:35] <weltschmerz> i added a new entry and it works.  strange.
[11:35] <ompaul> axisys, I have a large network
[11:35] <howlingmadhowie> weltschmerz: it works now?
[11:35] <vertex> known_hosts ----i got that file
[11:35] <vertex> but it's like encrypted
[11:36] <chrisellis> hey, how do you get the drivers you had at install for the video card ?
[11:36] <ompaul> axisys, I have about 150 accounts using ssh keys in my little office :)
[11:36] <mcscruff> whats the default dir for java?
[11:36] <cameron_> Juan: your pc has to process the video, so it could be the speed of your pc
[11:36] <axisys> ompaul: i manage 300 servers all with ssh rsa auth for account manage ;-)
[11:36] <howlingmadhowie> mcscruff: /usr/lib/jvm
[11:36] <vertex> axisys should i paste the output?
[11:36] <Red_Wullf> Good afternoon.
[11:36] <axisys> ompaul: not kidn' there is big company that I am sysadmin of ;-)
[11:36] <weltschmerz> oh...duh...i named this laptop the same name as the hosts entry. :/
[11:36] <crabgrass> trying to install vmware server, and i keep getting "A previous version of a VMWare product has been detected, you need to remove the package, yadda yadda." problem is, i remember using synaptic to remove the old one a month or two back, and now i dont know where to go or what to delete. any ideas?
[11:36] <Juan> cameron_, i'm copying a disc, does it still process it?
[11:36] <axisys> vertex: just paste it in pastebin
[11:36] <ompaul> axisys, well we only got 80 desktops
[11:37] <vertex> ok
[11:37] <axisys> vertex: no time to argue with ompaul
[11:37] <howlingmadhowie> weltschmerz: that would explain it :)
[11:37] <axisys> vertex: just paste `ls -al /root/.ssh/known_hosts' in pastebin
[11:37] <cameron_> well, it all depends, u are copying a disc from a disc, it may have to decrypt it
[11:37] <howlingmadhowie> cameron_: to share files with a windows pc, just right click the file and select share
[11:38] <cameron_> yet I want to view the files being shared on the network
[11:38] <howlingmadhowie> cameron_: go to places->network
[11:38] <crabgrass> anyone?
[11:38] <axisys> vertex: got it?
[11:39] <cameron_> I'm running Xubuntu..., what should I install?
[11:39] <robert_> how do I use NAS?
[11:40] <lechack> Hello everyone ! I just did a bigmistake : i added noatime to my fstab options and now my root partitions is mounted as read only ! how can i fix this ?
[11:40] <Falstius> lechack: did you only add noatime?
[11:40] <vertex> http://rafb.net/p/C0d8zs92.html
[11:40] <PriceChild> lechack, use a live cd to change it.
[11:41] <axisys> vertex: nawp.. that is not what I asked
[11:41] <howlingmadhowie> robert_: you want to configure a router?
[11:41] <crabgrass> anyone?
[11:41] <lechack> Falstius: data=writeback
[11:41] <elliotf> huzzah.
[11:41] <vertex> you said another path
[11:41] <elliotf> crabgrass: anyone what?
[11:41] <vertex> but it's inexistent on my box
[11:41] <robert_> howlingmadhowie, eh?
[11:41] <Falstius> lechack: thought so, that's what you get for reading slashdot.  Remove the data=writeback (using a liveCD) and you'll be good.
[11:42] <crabgrass> elliotf: have an idea as to my question
[11:42] <Juan> i'm having problems copying dvds, it takes about 20 minutes to just create the image on 16x and 18x dvdrws. does anyone know why?
[11:42] <AboSamoor> how i can make the port forwarding with firestarter ?
[11:42] <howlingmadhowie> robert_: i only know nas as "network access server"
[11:42] <axisys> vertex: ls -al /root/.ssh/known_hosts  <-- please paste the output of that line
[11:42] <lechack> Falstius : argh :p
[11:42] <robert_> howlingmadhowie, network audio server
[11:42] <howlingmadhowie> robert_: aha. found it
[11:42] <howlingmadhowie> robert_: looks like you need the server and the client
[11:42] <lechack> Falstius : and if i have no cd drive ? there is no other solution ?
[11:43] <Gary> NAS = Network Attached Storage
[11:43] <Juan> i'm having problems copying dvds, it takes about 20 minutes to just create the image on 16x and 18x dvdrws. does anyone know why?
[11:43] <ompaul> vertex, there are a couple of reasons your ordinary user can't see your /root/.ssh/known_hosts file, to actually do this, you would need to be root, now why do you want to ssh somewhere as root?
[11:43] <B-rabbit> hi ,i am trying to install the 32 Bit Emulation Libraries for firefox, i am following instruction from one of the ubuntu help form which tells me to install the library file first..so when i type " sudo aptitude install ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk linux32 lib32asound2
[11:43] <B-rabbit> " in terminal i get reading database...building dependency and so on but at the end it says that nothing was installed or upgraded and then it says "Need to get 0B of archives.after unpacking 0B will be installed" dont know what to do now...any help
[11:43] <Falstius> lechack: can you boot from usb?
[11:43] <lechack> Falstius : yes
[11:43] <sauvin> Juan, have you made DVDs before?
[11:44] <TBZ> I finally got my friggin video goin!!! Chyeaaa
[11:44] <TBZ> Falstius: hey, whats up
[11:44] <howlingmadhowie> Gary: oh, of course :) that too :) (I'm looking at one at the moment as well)
[11:44] <Falstius> lechack: get yourself a usb key and DSL, set it up and boot from that.
[11:44] <vertex> http://rafb.net/p/XjDlwV46.html
[11:44] <Juan> sauvin, i'm not making it from scratch
[11:44] <Juan> sauvin,disc to disc
[11:44] <Gary> B-rabbit, have you done a sudo aptitude update
[11:44] <lechack> Falstius: okay thanks :p
[11:44] <excessluggage> I'm having some teething issues with Ubuntu 7.04 and my monitor/graphics card.  I have the proprietary drivers for my ati x1550 card running and have manually edited xorg.conf to use 1400x900 resolution by default, but the res still come out at 1024x900.  Can someone please suggest a next step
[11:44] <sauvin> But have you made DVDs before? I mean, 20 minutes doesn't seem like a lot. A DVD is freaking HUGE.
[11:45] <excessluggage> *1024x768
[11:45] <vertex> ompaul-i'm trying to access my fonera
[11:45] <Juan> sauvin, just the image creation is taking 20 minutes
[11:45] <lechack> Falstius: by the way do you have any tips to improve battery life that on't involve breaking the system ?
[11:45] <Falstius> lechack: most of the time you could just remount / read only, but data=writeback won't allow remounting (with the -o remount option)
[11:45] <sauvin> Oh... image *creation*, not burn?
[11:45] <Juan> yeah
[11:45] <howlingmadhowie> sauvin: sounds like a dma problem
[11:45] <ompaul> excessluggage, the thing is that the restricted drivers tool on the system -> administration menu is where you should be looking first
[11:45] <TBZ> Falstius: I finally found a precombiled binary setup someone had posted on the forums for my same exact setup, worked flawlessly (so far)
[11:46] <ompaul> excessluggage, after it is done it will require the box to be rebooted
[11:46] <B-rabbit> Gary: yes, it still isn't working
[11:46] <Falstius> TBZ: for your video card right?  cool.
[11:46] <nickrud>  B-rabbit possibly because they're installed; dpkg -l ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk linux32 lib32asound2 will tell you
[11:46] <sauvin> howlingmadhowie, if DVD image *creation* is anything like an mkisofs, 20 minutes is a very long time.
[11:46] <excessluggage> ompaul: been there already and it is checked and being used and ive rebooted
[11:46] <TBZ> Falstius: indeed
[11:46] <ThatLazyGuy> Can someone please answer my question from this thread please http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=521993
[11:46] <Juan> on 2 drives
[11:46] <Juan> same results
[11:46] <TBZ> How do you run a FPS overlay?
[11:46] <Falstius> lechack: not really, just the usual stuff (frequency stepping, turning down the brightness, and you can make syslog not flush the cache)
[11:47] <lechack> Falstius: okay thanks for the tip. And could you explain why it makes it read only ? i did read the mount manpage before turning on the option...
[11:47] <howlingmadhowie> sauvin: the way i understood it, he's creating an image of an existing disc on the harddrive by pulling the data off the disc. i wonder why that's going so slow
[11:47] <Juan> dma is on in the bios settings
[11:47] <ompaul> vertex, so as a plain user type "ssh -C root@IP" where IP is the number for the router, if you are getting warnings and that router is the only place you want to ssh to do this, "cat > .ssh/known_hosts" with no " and straight away type CTRL+C
[11:47] <sauvin> Oh. In that case, yea, either DMA or he's running a firewire device on a USB 1.mumble port?
[11:48] <Juan> no
[11:48] <Juan> ide drives
[11:48] <Falstius> lechack: I didn't look into it really, I guess that option isn't supported by the ubuntu kernel.  If you read kernel trap, you can guess they're using the most recent kernel and probably some non-standard patches.
[11:48] <ompaul> vertex, then up arrow on the command line and whamo you better have a password :)
[11:48] <sauvin> Juan, in making this image, what is the source device?
[11:48] <excessluggage> what sort of results does an hdparm -Tt /[device]  give
[11:48] <B-rabbit> nickrud: how do i know if it installed or not..i don't understand it
[11:48] <axisys> vertex: sudo vi +1 /root/.ssh/known_hosts
[11:48] <TBZ> Falstius: I read one post, a guy said that he had gotten or used the nvidia-glx drivers, does that mean his setup actually supports GLX? or is that just his way of installing? I installed, and everything is working, does that mean that my setup is GLX enabled now? or it totally incompatible?
[11:48] <axisys> vertex: dd
[11:48] <syte> has anyone used envy for the 8600 GT. I've tried all the tutorials none of them worked. I really would like to play a few games, so until the new release of ubuntu comes out should i just install envy?
[11:48] <axisys> vertex: :wq!
[11:49] <axisys> vertex: thats it
[11:49] <aelliott> syte: i used envy for a 8800gts when the built in process didn't work.  Envy did a good job.
[11:49] <Falstius> TBZ: you're probably just using a newer driver.  It should be fine and mostly stable.
[11:49] <vertex> axisys /root/.ssh doesn't exist for me
[11:49] <sauvin> howlingmadhowie, do you know anything about rosegarden not being able to find a high resolution midi device on a stock ubuntu feisty?
[11:49] <lechack> Falstius: okay. thanks :)
[11:49] <nickrud> B-rabbit, if you run that command, the first two letters tell you the state of the package; the coding is just above
[11:49] <axisys> vertex: u were able to read the file
[11:50] <vertex> i have home/wxcvbn/....ssh
[11:50] <vertex> yep
[11:50] <syte> aelliott, thx a lot. I've just heard a lot of bad things about envy but i have no other choice.
[11:50] <nickrud> B-rabbit, what you're looking for is ii at the beginning of the line
[11:50] <axisys> vertex: did u type exactly sudo vi +1 /root/.ssh/known_hosts
[11:50] <excessluggage> The thing I find most odd is that the 1400x900 resolution option is never available in the System->Preferences->Screen Resolution
[11:50] <vertex> yeah
[11:50] <vertex> is there a way to delete completely the key
[11:50] <vertex> ?
[11:51] <axisys> vertex: that is exactly what I was doing ..
[11:51] <Pelo> excessluggage, just add it to xorg.conf manualy and restart X
[11:51] <axisys> vertex: if u can read the file u should be able to open it
[11:51] <vertex> 'cause on windows there's no problem
[11:51] <lightfight> Does anybody know why Ubuntu would hang up repeatedly? It will work fine for a while, sometimes even a few hours. But for the last 5 times in a row or so it randomly hangs up on me while I"m doing something. i can't move the mouse, I can't use any hotkeys. Nothing.
[11:51] <excessluggage> Pelo, I have and its still not there
[11:51] <vertex> i can read it but it's unreadable
[11:51] <axisys> vertex: i dont know anything about windows.. trust me i have no f**** idea how windows works
[11:52] <vertex> i mean it's encrypted
[11:52] <excessluggage> Heated silicone or something isnt it?
[11:52] <mcscruff> axisys, dont worry bout learning
[11:52] <vertex> i mean ssh works on windows
[11:52] <sauvin> lightfight, that happens to me when I'm using pan (gui newsreader) and it's trying to manage really REALLY huge article lists. Memory glut. What are you running when the freezes happen?
[11:52] <FxChiP> er
[11:52] <Pelo> excessluggage, ati and nvidia cards have special ways of doing it, check the forum and intel 915 need a package from the repos to fix it
[11:52] <axisys> mcscruff: so redundant :P
[11:52] <FxChiP> Does *anyone* know how Windows works?
[11:52] <FxChiP> The answer = no :)
[11:52] <FxChiP> You don't have the source code after all :)
[11:52] <mcscruff> axisys, ooooooo
[11:52] <TBZ> Anyone know a package for something like "Fraps" for linux? A screen video capture with an FPS overlay?
[11:52] <sauvin> FxChiP, your point is...?
[11:53] <axisys> vertex: windows ?? what is that.. kid u not i do not know how it works
[11:53] <excessluggage> Pelo, ok thanks will do
[11:53] <FxChiP> sauvin: it was a bad joke.
[11:53] <FxChiP> That's all.
[11:53] <lightfight> One time I remember I was running Nautilus, a few times I was in Gaim.
[11:53] <Pelo> FxChiP, no one knows how windows work, the only important thing is that it doesn'T
[11:53] <B-rabbit> nickrud: its was already installed..thanx :)
[11:53] <axisys> Pelo: heh
[11:53] <sauvin> Oh. I thought you were SERIOUS when you were talking about windows "working".
[11:53] <robert_> no matter what I do, I get 'nas: Can't open server: (null)'
[11:53] <vertex> the point is not windows i was just saying that ssh worked on windows without problem that's all
[11:53] <axisys> vertex: i will help u w/ ssh on ubuntu
[11:54] <vertex> ok that's what i need :-)
[11:54] <axisys> vertex: just answers my questions please and we will get there .. promise my friend
[11:54] <vertex> ok
[11:54] <aelliott> lightfight: next time you get a freeze, try hitting Ctrl-alt and F2.  If you get a prompt, then you will know the problem is just with x windows and not with your system itself
[11:54] <Pumpelly> what's the point of this chat thing?
[11:54] <axisys> vertex: go ahead become root by running this command
[11:54] <ompaul> !root
[11:54] <axisys> vertex: sudo bash
[11:54] <ubotu> do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[11:54] <ompaul> not in this channel pal!
[11:54] <Xoris> Pumpelly: giving support to users of the Ubuntu operating system
[11:54] <nickrud> Pumpelly, time wasting ;)
[11:54] <robert_> bwahaha
[11:55] <lightfight> aelliott - ok, what should I do if I get a prompt. Is there a way to unhang it?
[11:55] <robert_> nice Matrix quote
[11:55] <howlingmadhowie> sauvin: i think you need to install the low latency kernel
[11:55] <axisys> oh no.. ompaul again!!
[11:55] <ompaul> axisys,  what you do in on your own command line is your business
[11:55] <ompaul> but here we don't use root
[11:55] <Tribes> d
[11:55] <aelliott> lightfight- you could try logging in and running "top", often the top process is the one which is hanging
[11:55] <sauvin> howlingmadhowie, if I do that, would it break existing drivers and stuff? If not, where is it?
[11:55] <Xoris> axisys: "sudo bash"? that's the worst one i've seen
[11:55] <lightfight> ok thanks, I'll try that next time.
[11:55] <axisys> Xoris: heh ..
[11:56] <ompaul> axisys, seriously that is rubbish from the perspective
[11:56] <aelliott> lightfight- "top" and "ps -aux" will both let you see what programs are running, you can use "sudo kill -9" followed by the PID number to try killing them
[11:56] <ompaul> axisys, of this channel
[11:56] <TBZ> Hey, anyone know of a good video editting suite for Ubuntu/Linux?
[11:56] <Xoris> cat "su - root" | sudo -c "sh sudo -i"
[11:56] <aelliott> lightfight: it is worth having a think about any applications you have installed recently
[11:56] <lightfight> What is a PID number.
[11:56] <Pelo> TBZ,  avidemux might do if that is the kind of thing you are looking for
[11:57] <nickrud> lightfight, process id
[11:57] <TBZ> lightfight: process ID number, used for numerically organizing processes
[11:57] <vertex> ok let me know what i shoul write pls
[11:57] <lightfight> I've only installed VLC and Firestarter. I just installed linux for the first time yesterday, hence the glut of questions.
[11:57] <aelliott> lightfight: when linux shows you running processes, it identifies each one with a unique number - you can use kill along with this number to stop a process
[11:57] <vertex> *should
[11:57] <TBZ> Pelo: thx
[11:57] <lightfight> ok, I'll try that
[11:57] <axisys> vertex: looks like someone here flexing his/her muscle.. just private msg me please
[11:57] <ompaul> vertex,  do this, "cat > .ssh/known_hosts" with no " and straight away type CTRL+C .. problem solved
[11:57] <howlingmadhowie> sauvin: apt-cache show linux-lowlatency
[11:58] <howlingmadhowie> sauvin: i imagine drivers like nvidia will need to be compiled again.
[11:58] <sauvin> !@#$@%#@#$
[11:58] <eboyjr> Why would nothing happen when I try to launch a program? i.e. "supertux"
[11:58] <memelo> hi
[11:58] <eboyjr> hi
[11:58] <nikron> Does anyone know how to add insults to the sudo insult database?
[11:58] <howlingmadhowie> sauvin: i'm sorry? i think there was some data corruption there :)
[11:59] <sauvin> yes, that was me self-censoring. It took me a WHILE to get hardware acceleration going on my ATI Radeon.
[11:59] <aelliott> eboyjr: if you open a terminal and run supertux from it, you will see any error messages which may be preventing it running
[11:59] <axisys> vertex: this chnl some ops probably don't like freespeech.. if u need help just private message me
[11:59] <howlingmadhowie> sauvin: oh :(
[11:59] <emre> hi how can i install ff 2.0? i saw smt related with ./configure and make install but there isnt any configure or make file in the tar i downloded...
[11:59] <howlingmadhowie> sauvin: well, your choice, of course
[11:59] <sauvin> yea. I'm stuck with the [BEEP]  Radeon because it's what's in the laptop, and it's turning out to be quite a ball and chain.
[11:59] <Xoris> axisys, people here don't like free speech because this is an Ubuntu support channel, not a "free speech" channel. and "sudo bash" is about the worst possible way to get to a root login, possibly after "sudo su"
[12:00] <kitche> !noroot | axisys
[12:00] <ubotu> axisys: Regardless of your choice: Please do not advise against user security policy and create a root password, please see !rootsudo
[12:00] <eboyjr> aelliott, It says "Datadir: /usr/share/games/supertux" and then hangs.
[12:00] <Xoris> there is "sudo" for running commands, and "sudo -i" if you need to type a few in a row.
[12:00] <nickrud> !firefox > emre (see the private message)
[12:00] <howlingmadhowie> sauvin: i know this problem. i once had a radeon graphics card.
[12:00] <ompaul> axisys, we spent three years educating people that being root is silly, not required, and really just a handy way to break your machine
[12:00] <howlingmadhowie> sauvin: probably the worst 5 minutes of my life :)
[12:00] <sauvin> if I install an alternative kernel, it won't wipe out the existing kernel's stuff, will it?
[12:00] <ompaul> !rootsudo | axisys
[12:00] <kitche> Ej you should really turn that script off it's annoying when I do the noroot switch
[12:00] <ubotu> axisys: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[12:00] <ompaul> read it and understand
[12:01] <howlingmadhowie> sauvin: the new kernel will install new modules of course
[12:01] <vertex> ompaul i did your command but seem not to work


[00:18] <greg-g> pleia2: yay!
[01:12] <nhaines> pleia2: \o/
[01:12] <nhaines> pleia2: congratulations!  :D
[01:16] <pleia2> :D
[02:36] <bkerensa> pleia2: Do you sign all of your e-mail?
[02:37] <bkerensa> Just wondering because we are have a discussion in our channel on the importance if any of signing e-mail
[02:38] <pleia2> bkerensa: I don't sign any of it
[02:38] <pleia2> I only use gpg for debian package signing and as an encryption method (I'll email gpg encrypted files to specific recipients so only they can open them)
[02:39] <bkerensa> exactly :D
[02:40] <akk> I've never managed to get mutt to do anything useful with GPG signatures.
[02:42] <pleia2> I had it all set up for a while, but it was tedious to maintain
[02:44] <bkerensa> yeah I just noticed one member of the loco signs all his e-mail and imho when I see GPG in e-mail its kind of distracting :P so I asked why he was in the practice of doing such and told him that I didnt sign e-mail unless I was sending something important I didnt want others to have
[02:47] <pleia2> it's not a bad practice to be in if you can be bothered to do it, email is ridiculously easy to spoof
[02:47] <pleia2> I'm just lazy, and it makes heads of non-geeks explode
[02:48] <akk> I did once get it working briefly in mutt, and found that it added 5 sec or so to displaying every email
[02:48] <akk> while it went off and did ... something ... that didn't end up giving me any more info than I'd had before
[02:48] <pleia2> yeah, even on a beefy server it takes a second or two, and that's annoying
[02:49] <akk> (except that yes, this email was indeed signed by someone)
[02:49] <akk> Even when it was someone I'd been to a keysigning with, that didn't seem to give me any higher level of info
[02:49] <akk> like "yes, this is the person whose key you've signed and vice versa"
[02:50] <pleia2> I have other ways to contact people if they send a suspicious email anyway :)
[02:50] <akk> because that info was on some random server somewhere that wasn't the one being checked by mutt
[20:46] <bkerensa> MarkDude: When you come up for CLS we are doing a big BBQ you know?
[20:46] <bkerensa> :P
[20:46] <bkerensa> Have some UbuBurgers :P
[20:46] <Guest80204> redundant. should be UbuRgers
[20:48] <bkerensa> indeed
[20:48] <Guest80204> oo-boor-gerz
[20:48] <bkerensa> I thought redundancy was a good thing though?
[20:48] <bkerensa> :D
[20:48] <bkerensa> In technology anyways
[20:48] <bkerensa> :P
[20:49] <Guest80204> food technology is not healthy
[20:49]  * Guest80204 is a fan of -Os over -O3
[20:53] <Darkwing> yay! new toy
[20:54]  * MarkDude would like to
[20:54] <MarkDude> And Fedora gold-plated steaks
[20:54] <MarkDude> rofl
[20:54]  * MarkDude kids
[20:54] <MarkDude> We would most likely bring Beefy Miracles
[20:54] <Guest80204> steaks with hats?
[20:55] <Darkwing> http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_Pad/Eee_Pad_Slider_SL101/ wife got it for my birthday.
[20:55] <MarkDude> Steaks covered in edible gold
[20:55] <MarkDude> ,sarcasm>
[20:55] <Darkwing> gold... bah
[21:07] <nhaines> Darkwing: it's not just for breakfast anymore.
[21:13] <Guest80204> duck is typically dinner, not breakfast
[21:18] <Darkwing> lol


[05:04] <cire_> hi
[05:04] <cire_> need some help
[05:04] <cire_> just installed xubuntu
[05:04] <cire_> the sound is not working
[05:05] <Unit193> You may want to ask in the support channel in that case...b
[05:06] <Unit193> #xubuntu is the support channel
[15:03] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[15:03] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: thanks for the "how to fix lightdm" info. It worked!
[15:04] <mr_pouit> glad to hear that
[15:04] <mr_pouit> well, to read that
[16:44] <madnick> "Unable to correct missing packages" :(((
[16:45] <madnick> its supposed to not be missing :)
[16:45] <madnick> !libsoup2.4-dev
[16:58] <charlie-tca> ehy?
[16:58] <charlie-tca> What release of xubuntu?
[16:59] <charlie-tca> !info libsoup2.4-dev
[17:01] <madnick> I need it for oneric
[17:01] <madnick> !info info libsoup2.4-dev oneiric
[17:02] <madnick> oh
[17:12] <charlie-tca> too many info there
[17:12] <charlie-tca> !info libsoup2.4-dev oneiric
[17:13] <charlie-tca> looks valid, maybe they have an update going in
[17:15] <madnick> I need it for lightdm :<
[17:16] <charlie-tca> :(
[17:34] <charlie-tca> madnick: seems there are some issues right now for developers using oneiric
[17:36] <madnick> charlie-tca: oh okay :(
[17:36] <charlie-tca> At least it isn't just you ;)
[17:39] <micahg> charlie-tca: BTW, I found some more space, if we get hal out of exaile, we can get back ~1MB
[17:40] <charlie-tca> We need it, although I don't know why 386 only goes oversize
[17:41] <micahg> BTW, I think the size will sort itself after the next translations run, synaptic was demoted to universe so now the translations are in the package
[17:41] <mr_pouit> hum, we shouldn't ship exaile anymore
[17:41] <micahg> mr_pouit: you have a replacement?, there's a branch to fix hal upstream, but it still hasn't been committed to trunk AFAIK
[17:42] <charlie-tca> I thought we were shipping parole and gmusicbrowser only in oneiric
[17:44] <micahg> oh yeah, right...idk what was going through my head
[17:45] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit is usually all-knowing
[17:45] <micahg> ah, we don't have hal anymore
[17:46] <mr_pouit> I think we switched to gmusicbrowser recently
[17:46] <mr_pouit> or I dreamed we did
[17:46] <micahg> yeah, that was last cycle
[17:46] <mr_pouit> so it replaced exaile, right?
[17:46] <charlie-tca> right
[17:46] <micahg> yeah, that sounds right
[17:46] <GridCube> yes
[17:47] <charlie-tca> I guess I use these apps so seldom, I forget to look what we do have.
[17:48] <micahg> mr_pouit: have I been doing ok WRT the seeds/packageset while you were away?
[17:48] <charlie-tca> He ain't reverted them yet?
[17:49] <micahg> nope
[17:49] <charlie-tca> Usually a really good sign
[17:50] <mr_pouit> huhu
[17:50] <mr_pouit> yeah, no problem
[17:51] <micahg> BTW, the next meta upload will pull in a few more printer drivers (all small), dailies should have them already
[17:52] <mr_pouit> I don't find pastebinit _that_ useful to be in the default install, but as it was requested in several meetings, I won't touch it :P
[17:52] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[17:52] <micahg> well, we have the option to make it live only and not in the install
[17:52] <charlie-tca> We just got tired of telling people they had to install it to use it
[17:52] <mr_pouit> W: murrine-themes: non-standard-file-perm usr/share/themes/greybird/xfwm4/stick-toggled-inactive.png 0664 != 0644
[17:53]  * micahg uses pastebinit all the time
[17:53] <mr_pouit> something's messing with my oneiric sbuild, and I don't like that /o\
[17:53] <micahg> mr_pouit: umask in oneiric changed to 0002
[17:54] <mr_pouit> micahg: yup, I read that, but I can't find what to do to fix my chroot
[17:54] <micahg> I think lintian needs to be fixed :)
[17:54] <mr_pouit> playing with login.defs, nor pam.d/common-session* was successful :(
[17:54] <mr_pouit> mmmh
[17:55] <micahg> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/umask-to-0002
[17:55] <mr_pouit> micahg: no, lintian is right, all pngs have wrong permissions in my built debs
[17:56] <mr_pouit> and only pngs :>
[17:56] <micahg> oh, that sounds familiar actually
[17:57] <mr_pouit> I guess that's when they're optimized that something happens =]
[17:57] <micahg> mr_pouit: ah, maybe ask pitti, could be that pkgbinarymangler needs a fix
[19:01] <charlie-tca> Going for a walk time...
[19:57] <micahg> mr_pouit: we're sticking with 4.8.x until oneiric release, right?
[19:59] <mr_pouit> looks like it's advpng that breaks the file permissions :/
[19:59] <mr_pouit> micahg: I'd say: until we're sure that 4.10 will be released on time
[19:59] <micahg> well, even if released on time, it won't be ready until Jan, oneiric releases in Oct :)
[20:00] <micahg> but that suggests even post release you want to wait
[20:01] <mr_pouit> yep, because I don't think that the schedule will be respected
[20:02] <micahg> ok, makes sense
[20:03] <micahg> although I don't think it would be good if we're stuck with 4.8.x for the LTS, but it's better than a broken 4.9
[20:06] <mr_pouit> only 1 component has got a 4.9.x release so far (xfce4-settings)
[20:06] <mr_pouit> oh, and thunar 1.3.0
[20:06] <mr_pouit> (but it's outdated compared to 1.2.x for bugfixes)
[20:19] <mr_pouit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pkgbinarymangler/+bug/817792 \o/
[20:28] <mr_pouit> urg, I thought it was occurring on my system only, but it's the same on buildds


[04:49] <goddard> its awesome we have this channel and class room events but how can i stay up dated on when they are happening?
[04:50] <EvilResistance> goddard, /topic.
[04:50] <EvilResistance> see "Upcoming Schedule: "
[04:50] <EvilResistance> there's a link there
[04:50] <benonsoftware> goddard: http://is.gd/8rtIi
[04:53] <goddard> thats cool so the calender is updated ?
[04:57] <EvilResistance> pretty much, yeah
[04:57] <EvilResistance> some last-minute-scheduling might not show up, but its not often that comes up
[09:02] <qwebirc71951> Hi