[05:19] <Kilos> good morning everyone
[07:04] <MooDoo> howdy all
[09:22] <elacheche> https://www.codecademy.com/en/courses/learn-the-command-line/lessons/navigation/exercises/your-first-command


[14:25] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:31]  * BluesKaj wonders if the 13.04 daily build is still corrupt
[14:32] <BluesKaj> the Kubuntu image that is
[15:26] <BluesKaj> I guess my wireless KB and mouse are incompatible with the latest kubuntu desktop daily build ...I was thinking earlier that it's a corrupt image , but it must be a hw recognition problem
[17:10] <gotwig> hez
[17:10] <gotwig> I have big problems with ubiquity
[17:10] <gotwig> It doesnt work for me since 12.10
[17:11] <gotwig> After choosing the options if you like additional updates or restricted software packages, it just loads and loads, without an end.
[17:13] <gotwig_> I am going to post a log in 2 minutes
[17:13] <gotwig_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1397303/
[17:13] <gotwig_> file /var/log/installer/debug
[17:14] <gotwig_> is there an alternate version for daily 13.04 available yet_
[17:16] <gotwig_> is there anyone living in the room? hands up pls
[17:24] <gotwig_> zenx: hey
[17:25] <gotwig_> LjL: hey
[17:26] <gotwig_> tdignan: hey
[17:28] <gotwig_> Daekdroom: hey
[17:28] <Daekdroom> Hai.
[17:29] <gotwig_> Daekdroom: need help
[17:29] <Daekdroom> Who does?
[17:29] <gotwig_> Daekdroom: me
[17:29] <gotwig_> Daekdroom: I can't install Ubuntu, since version  12.10
[17:29] <gotwig_> becouse of ubiquity
[17:29] <gotwig_> same problem on ubuntu 13.04
[17:30] <gotwig_> it just does not load, after I selected next, from the dialog where he asks, if you want updates, or restricted software and codecs
[17:30] <gotwig_> it loads and loads
[17:30] <gotwig_> no end
[17:31] <gotwig_> Daekdroom: want the log?
[17:31] <Daekdroom> I'm not sure I'm able to help.
[17:34] <ActionParsnip> gotwig_: use the mini ISO, you'll be ok
[17:34] <gotwig_> ActionParsnip: for 12.10?
[17:34] <ActionParsnip> gotwig_: either
[17:34] <ActionParsnip> gotwig_: saves having to install the OS then upgrade it. It's installed via the repos :)
[17:35] <gotwig_> ActionParsnip: I dont see the mini ISO for 13.04
[17:36] <gotwig_> here is my ubiquity log
[17:36] <gotwig_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1397303/
[17:36] <gotwig_> there should be nothing strange with my partition setup
[17:37] <gotwig_> I can't find the right bug report
[17:37] <gotwig_> I am going to report a new bug report, if its a dupliacte, ok..
[17:38] <gotwig_> ActionParsnip: there is no mini iso for 13.04, right?
[17:41] <gotwig_> schmidtm: hey
[17:45] <gotwig_> please see my problem @ bug #1084627
[17:48] <gotwig_> Kubuntu offers an alternate daily build
[17:48] <gotwig_> I should install an other flavour, and than install unity environment
[17:50] <gotwig_> yeah, that is what I am going to do
[17:50] <gotwig_> see ya later
[17:50] <gotwig_> ActionParsnip: ^
[18:02] <ActionParsnip> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/raring/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[18:02]  * ActionParsnip shrugs


[13:46] <kidsodateless> naimbag nga rabii!  knightlust, terminus, zeroseven0183
[13:47] <zeroseven0183> Magandang gabi!
[13:47] <kidsodateless> magandang gabi sa lahat :)
[13:48] <kidsodateless> zeroseven0183, buti naman naintindihan mo? hehe
[13:48] <zeroseven0183> I assumed lang hehehe
[13:51] <kidsodateless> kala ko naman somehow nakakaintindi ka ng ilocano, hehe. what's up to you this night?
[13:52] <kidsodateless> @seen zakame
[13:52] <butiki> kidsodateless: zakame was last seen in #ubuntu-ph 21 weeks, 3 days, 7 hours, 19 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <zakame> hi hi
[13:56] <zeroseven0183> Wala naman. Nagaaupdate lang ng blog
[13:56] <zeroseven0183> I'm into blogging na lately heheh
[13:58] <kidsodateless> wow nice, ako naman maguupdate ng wiki
[13:58] <zeroseven0183> Ayos
[13:58] <zeroseven0183> Teka, break muna ako
[13:58] <kidsodateless> try ko din magblog ngayon about sa kasiyahan last open web day
[13:58] <zeroseven0183> Sure sure
[13:58] <kidsodateless> oright
[14:22] <zakame> hi
[14:26] <kidsodateless> hello zak, i've hardly seen you these past couple weeks
[14:27] <zakame> hehehe
[14:27] <zakame> busy busy ;)
[14:29] <kidsodateless> he does hehe


[16:19] <Lirusaito> E: Encountered a section with no Package: header
[16:19] <Lirusaito> E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_precise-updates_universe_binary-amd64_Packages
[16:19] <Lirusaito> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[16:19] <Lirusaito> Halp?


[00:00] <apothegm> ssh? :)
[00:02] <mrand> apothegm: I just found a duplicate bug, which contains a hack to work around the problem: Bug 480555
[00:02] <Zinn> Bug 480555 in lirc (Ubuntu) "No /var/run/lirc/lircd created, only /dev/lircd" [Undecided, New] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/480555
[00:04] <apothegm> he says IRW works for him. I just get cnonect refused
[00:04] <apothegm> I'll try that symbolic link though
[00:05] <apothegm> oh, wait. I don't even have a /dev/lircd
[00:11] <mrand> I wonder if this could somehow be related to upstart race condition stuff (bug 334414, 460027, 507142, etc)
[00:11] <Zinn> Bug 334414 in do-plugins "Do stops silently" [Undecided, Fix Released] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/334414
[00:15] <apothegm> DOH.
[00:16] <apothegm> START_LIRCD= was set to false
[00:16] <apothegm> now IRW is working
[00:17] <apothegm> but now I get nothing in frontend at all.  not even the arrow keys which used to work
[00:17] <mrand> so now go back and check your mapping(s)
[00:19] <apothegm> I'm using the sample file from the wiki article
[00:19] <apothegm> and IRW and the lircd.conf seem to match up. I only checked a few
[00:21] <apothegm> Do I have to enable LIRC in mythfrontend somewhere?
[00:23] <superm1> mythbuntu-lirc-generator would create lircrc conffiles for you
[00:23] <superm1> has it been ran?
[00:24] <superm1> (generate dynamic button mappings in MCC)
[00:24] <apothegm> alright I'll try it that way
[00:25] <apothegm> But I have to select a remote
[00:25] <apothegm> and mine is not listed
[00:25] <superm1> run the command by hand then
[00:25] <apothegm> so how do I do that?
[00:25] <superm1> it will use the contents of /etc/lirc/lircd.conf to generate it
[00:25] <apothegm> command?
[00:25] <superm1> mythbuntu-lirc-generator
[00:26] <apothegm> no options?
[00:27] <apothegm> WHOOHOO!
[00:28] <apothegm> had to create a .lirc in my home directory apparently
[00:28] <apothegm> Thanks for all the help!
[00:38] <mrand> apothegm: cool!  Could you update that bug with details on how you fix it (what you changed and where you changed it?)
[00:39] <apothegm> well the only thing I had to do was change START_LIRCD="false" to ="true" inside hardware.conf
[00:40] <apothegm> Shouldn't checking off "linux infrared remote control (lirc) support" in MCC do this?
[00:41] <apothegm> Now I have the problem that the keymappings dont' tie anything on my remote to the "menu" bottom (normally M on the keyboard)
[01:27] <Pwen> hi all. I am trying to login to the mythbuntu site using openid, but it keeps telling me my openid is invalid, despite the fact that I am currently logged into launchpad.net with it. any ideas?
[01:27] <Zinn> [launchpad.net] Launchpad
[01:30] <Pwen> nevermind ... you have to copy the username from launchpad.net as https://launchpad.net/~yourname
[01:30] <Zinn> [launchpad.net] Launchpad
[01:31] <mrand> tgm4883 or rhpot1991 - see apothegm's last couple of comments.
[01:48] <Pwen> does mythlcdserver print a logfile to anywhere?
[01:49] <tgm4883> mrand, I assume you are talking about the ="true" setting inside hardware.conf?
[01:49] <tgm4883> in which case, mine is set to true already
[01:52] <mrand> tgm4883: but his wasn't.
[01:54] <tgm4883> mrand, I see
[01:55] <tgm4883> mrand, mine is a fresh 10.04 install too updated though
[01:58] <mrand> hmm.
[03:00] <rhpot1991> #Enable lircd
[03:00] <rhpot1991> START_LIRCD="true"
[03:00] <rhpot1991> mine is pretty tweaked though so I dunno what was generated and what wasn't
[15:13] <crankygeek> I am in the process of setting up a Mythbuntu system, I am using a Hauppauge HD-PVR 1212....I am outputting to a 46" Sony Bravia XBR HDTV. The problem I have is that when I use a 15 RGB cable the screen size at 1920x1080 is perfect, but as soon as I change it over to a HDMI cable the desktop and mythtv front end get streched out off the edges of the screen, changing the resolution does not seem to help at all, no matter what r
[15:48] <rhpot1991> crankygeek: its called overscan
[15:48] <rhpot1991> and normal for HDMI
[15:55] <mrand> Unless you have a model that allows you to turn it off ;-)
[15:55] <Shadow__X> isnt there an option of tv's to just do 1:1 or is the issue on the computer side
[15:58] <rhpot1991> Shadow__X: crankygeek you can normally do it on your TV and thats the best solution
[15:58] <rhpot1991> normally the TV will turn it off for VGA ports
[15:59] <Shadow__X> rhpot1991: are you saying that i am right?
[15:59] <rhpot1991> for HDMI on my TV it has to be in the first port and then I have to adjust the "display mode" I believe
[15:59] <rhpot1991> Shadow__X: yep you do it on the tv
[16:00] <rhpot1991> I have another TV that it isn't possible to adjust too
[16:00] <rhpot1991> so it all depends on your TV
[16:00] <Shadow__X> yeah there are display modes on most if not every tv i have seen and the stretching occurs because the mode is off. Once you select the display mode that correctlates to 1:1 then it should be god
[16:00] <rhpot1991> personally I leave it on, so you don't see the crap on the edges of the broadcast that isn't meant to be seen anyways
[16:01] <rhpot1991> the only time you really miss it is if you are out of mythtv and looking for the menu, even then just push top left and click till something shows up
[16:10] <crankygeek> Thanks for all the input, I will play around with that when I get home today, once I fugure that out, then maybe I can move onto actually getting MythTV up and running with DirecTV, I have found some guides on it but they all seem to be lacking information on the actual setup.
[16:13] <crankygeek> And with me being a noob on this tv stuff, I was kinda of looking for a simple walkthrough with setting up the remote and stuff, but I have not run into anything or anyone that is using the same type of setup that I am using, even though it seems to be a common configuration...
[16:18] <rhpot1991> crankygeek: all depends on your hardware, you will need to setup a lineup with schedulesdirect.org and then setup your HDPVR in mythtv-setup
[16:18] <Zinn> [schedulesdirect.org] Schedules Direct
[16:18] <rhpot1991> you will need to IR blast, and I have no idea how to do that
[16:18] <rhpot1991> and then your remote all depends on what kind it is, hopefully its listed in mythbuntu control centre
[16:54] <crankygeek> Do you happen to know if there is a way to use the regular directv remote as opposed to the hauppauge remote?
[16:55] <crankygeek> or better yet whT I should use for a channel chaning script instead of using /bin/true  ?
[16:55] <rhpot1991> crankygeek: no idea what channel changer, google should be able to tell you something
[16:56] <rhpot1991> and doubtful on the remote, unless you can somehow tell it to use the same signals
[21:59] <pepsiman> hi, my computer is stuck on the mythbuntu splash screen. network, ssh, mythtv-backend are working. Xorg log ends "using VT number 8"


[05:59] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Podcast Ubuntu Portugal: E284 Portageiro, Quem És Tu? @ https://podcastubuntuportugal.org/e284/
[09:10] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::security:: Episode 217 @ https://ubuntusecuritypodcast.org/episode-217/
[19:12] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Real-time Linux vs RTOS – Part II @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/real-time-linux-vs-rtos-2
[19:12] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Scarlett Gately Moore: Some exciting news! Kubuntu: I’m back!!! @ https://www.scarlettgatelymoore.dev/some-exciting-news-kubuntu-im-back/


[13:53] <d4rkn3t> hello guys, I've a question about MaaS . Is there a way to make the upgrade of nodes via MaaS or Juju? thanks
[14:01] <d4rkn3t> anyone can tell me if it's possible or not?
[14:12] <d4rkn3t> I've another question for you, after to deploy all service to realize a cloud infrastructure using Openstack I can not open the Horizon Dashboard (http://it.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=szel4n&s=8#.VAHbuWCSxNw) where everything relations are in green status.
[14:26] <d4rkn3t> anyone can answer me?


[03:32] <cmaloney> http://openmetalcast.com/2016/06/20/open-metalcast-episode-132-thank-you-for-being-a-fan/
[10:16] <cmaloney> morning
[11:14] <rick_h_> morning
[11:47] <_stink_> yo
[12:00] <mrgoodcat> morning
[12:36] <cmaloney> How's the day so far?
[12:39] <mrgoodcat> warm
[12:40] <mrgoodcat> no A/C
[12:40] <mrgoodcat> its not too bad right now but i'm not excited for the afternoon
[12:45] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Ugh
[12:45] <cmaloney> Is this at work?
[12:50] <mrgoodcat> yea
[12:50] <mrgoodcat> the guy is supposed to come look at it this morning
[12:50] <cmaloney> Not cool
[12:50] <cmaloney> (literally)
[12:50] <mrgoodcat> hopefully he can get it working before it gets too warm
[12:50] <mrgoodcat> its 78 in my office right now
[13:02] <cmaloney> http://rbsekurity.com/the-journal-of-physical-security.html
[13:13] <_stink_> huh, interesting
[13:18] <cmaloney> Yeah, I heard about it on Security Now. Definitely brain-fodder.
[21:00] <cmaloney> Afternoon / Evening
[21:00] <_stink_> yo
[21:01] <cmaloney> how goes
[21:01] <cmaloney> ?
[22:08] <gamerchick02> howdy cmaloney
[22:08] <gamerchick02> i'm back from vacation! work tomorrow. :(
[22:18] <greg-g> gamerchick02: where'd you go/what'd you do?
[22:18] <gamerchick02> i went to Indianapolis IN for a conference
[22:18] <gamerchick02> a fun conference. for my Daughters of the Nile group. i'm glad to be home but work tomorrow is gonna be ugh
[22:21]  * greg-g had to look that up
[22:21]  * greg-g isn't in the know about secret groups :P
[22:22] <greg-g> I was catholic growing up, so I know of the Knights of Columbus, but that's about it :)
[22:23] <greg-g> 'supreme queen' heh (sorry, not really making fun of it, I know these things have their history and fun/weird names)
[22:23] <greg-g> http://www.daughtersofthenile.com/
[22:25] <greg-g> (surprisingly, Wikipedia doesn't have a dedicated article about DotN, only Shriners, the parent/father/sibling/whatever org)
[22:27] <cmaloney> gamerchick02: Sorry to hear re: the vacation ending
[22:29] <gamerchick02> greg-g that's ok
[22:29] <gamerchick02> eh, vacations always end and we have to come back to reality.
[22:30] <gamerchick02> we support the Shriner's Hospitals for Children.
[22:30] <greg-g> which is awesome, I should say :)
[22:30] <gamerchick02> if you watch some of the stations like MeTV and whatnot there are commercials for SHC and their giving program
[22:30] <greg-g> gamerchick02: obvious question everyone probably asks you: do you get to ride in the little cars during parades ever? :P
[22:30] <gamerchick02> no, and i'm super-mega disappointed in that!!
[22:30] <greg-g> sorry, I'm in a punchy mood :)
[22:31] <gamerchick02> considering i'm the QUEEN and should get to ride in a small car if i want to!!
[22:31] <gamerchick02> (no really, i'm the leader again and the leader is called the Queen)
[22:35] <greg-g> but not the supreme queen, someday!
[22:37] <gamerchick02> i... no.
[22:38] <gamerchick02> i have no aspirations in that direction. i'd love to work with Supreme Temple on something related to the foundation or whatever but not being Supreme Queen
[22:38] <greg-g> :)
[22:39] <gamerchick02> i LEFT my PEN in my bag and it's at home!!!
[22:39] <gamerchick02> (yes it's a thing. i love this pen, it's the one i use with my bullet journal and i use it literally multiple times a day)
[22:39] <gamerchick02> my coleto hi-tec C, purple


[15:40] <ChinnoDog> hi peeps
[15:42] <bcurtiswx> hi
[15:45] <ChinnoDog> Next Ubuntu release around the corner.
[15:45] <bcurtiswx> correct
[15:50] <ChinnoDog> par-t?
[15:51] <bcurtiswx> We probably will, do you want to bring it up at the next meeting?
[16:12]  * ChinnoDog adds meeting to calendar
[18:09] <bcurtiswx> meeting help
[18:09] <meeting> bcurtiswx: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
[18:09] <bcurtiswx> meeting help start
[18:09] <meeting> bcurtiswx: Error: There is no command "start".
[18:09] <bcurtiswx> meeting help startmeeting
[18:09] <meeting> bcurtiswx: Error: There is no command "startmeeting".
[18:09] <bcurtiswx> meeting list
[18:09] <meeting> bcurtiswx: Admin, Alias, AutoMode, BadWords, Channel, ChannelStats, Config, Ctcp, Dict, Dunno, Factoids, Herald, Karma, Later, Lingvo, MeetBot, Misc, MyLogger, Network, News, Nickometer, Note, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Protector, Quote, QuoteGrabs, RSS, Reply, Scheduler, Seen, Services, ShrinkUrl, Status, Success, Time, Topic, URL, User, Utilities, and Web
[18:10] <bcurtiswx> meeting help MeetBot
[18:10] <meeting> bcurtiswx: Error: There is no command "meetbot".
[18:11] <ChinnoDog> meeting list MeetBot
[18:11] <meeting> ChinnoDog: addchair, deletemeeting, listmeetings, pingall, recent, and savemeetings
[18:11] <ChinnoDog> meeting listmeetings
[18:11] <meeting> ChinnoDog: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
[18:11] <ChinnoDog> :-(
[18:12] <bcurtiswx> ah i c http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot
[18:14] <bcurtiswx> it's similar i think
[18:44] <bcurtiswx> kjcole, where is this channel logged?
[18:48] <bcurtiswx> kjcole, nvm. irclogs.ubuntu.com
[18:48] <bcurtiswx> im guessing meeting stores them elsewhere
[18:48] <bcurtiswx> we'll see next week...
[18:49] <kjcole> bcurtiswx: See the IRC topic.
[18:50] <kjcole> bcurtiswx: I see you found it. I
[18:50] <kjcole> I'm just a slow reader. ;-)
[18:50] <bcurtiswx> no prob, seems like we left a lot of the old frameworks around so getting the meeting to be seen to the Ubuntu world shouldn't be that hard
[18:51] <bcurtiswx> I think our workload is still promising, and they just want to see us have more meetings..
[18:51] <bcurtiswx> the Takoma Park is the big thing for us
[19:12] <ChinnoDog> What is the Takoma Park thing?
[19:19] <bcurtiswx> ChinnoDog, there's a folk festival in Takoma Park every year and it's usually lands around the same time as Software Freedom day so Kevin gets a spot for us to promote Ubuntu to the passerby's


[00:00] <quentusrex> [   13.408612] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready
[00:00] <quentusrex> is the only line that looks like it has an issue
[00:00] <CrazyGir> weird
[00:00] <quentusrex> happens on multiple boxes
[00:01] <quentusrex> Im' just finally tired of dealing with it.
[00:01] <quentusrex> the only commonality is that I have bridged networking configured for KVM
[00:01] <CrazyGir> grep the source, see what' causes that error?
[00:02] <CrazyGir> do all of the systems have the same nic?
[00:02] <CrazyGir> mmm
[00:02] <quentusrex> no, completely different nics
[00:03] <CrazyGir> I look to the source in these sorts of situations
[00:10] <CrazyGir> what are primary differences between the generic and server kernel flavors?
[00:21] <onecrazycat> djbdns vs BIND vs ???:  Any suggestions for a home DNS server with under 30 hosts (some VMs)?
[00:24] <CrazyGir> openbsd + built in BIND
[00:24] <CrazyGir> it'll take you 10 minutes to setup
[00:24] <CrazyGir> but that's mee
[00:24] <CrazyGir> *moho
[00:31] <cloakable> dnsmasq?
[00:31] <cloakable> pfsense?
[00:38] <onecrazycat> CrazyGir:  I want it to run on Ubuntu Server since that's what I'm comfortable with.
[00:53] <CrazyGir> I can't make a recommendation for you, sorry :(
[00:53] <onecrazycat> np
[01:02] <JanC> onecrazycat: if it's for a home network, dnsmasq might be all you need...
[01:12] <onecrazycat> JanC:  That's what I'm going with.
[01:21] <drkmachine> would anyone have a few moments to help me troubleshoot a samba share?
[01:55] <rallias> I just discovered my apache installation is being used for an http proxy. Can someone assist me in the process of preventing such?
[01:56] <JanC> rallias: disable mod_proxy ?
[01:57] <rallias> I don't have it installed
[01:58] <JanC> it's part of every apache install...
[01:58] <rallias> er wait... i do, but it was allready disabled.
[01:59] <JanC> why do you think apache is used as a proxy?
[02:00] <rallias> <IP_ADDRESS> - - [20/Mar/2011:07:36:48 -0500] "GET http://<IP_ADDRESS>/?login=jokerincal232&passwd=testing HTTP/1.0" 200 455 "-" "-"
[02:00] <rallias> numerous lines similar to that
[02:04] <rallias> along with evidence of other exploits such as webdav and phpmyadmin
[02:04] <rallias> *attempted
[02:05] <ChmEarl> rallias, the byte count is 455.. likely exactly the size of your default page
[02:06] <ChmEarl> rallias, do wget http://localhost/   -> 455?
[02:07] <rallias> 525 bytes
[02:07] <ChmEarl> everyone gets `vulnerability scans` everyday
[02:08] <JanC> the size of an error page is likely to be different depending on the URL requested  ;)
[02:09] <ChmEarl> rallias, do you know how to telnet into your default page?
[02:09] <JanC> you don't get the default page when there is an error
[02:09] <ChmEarl> its 200
[02:10] <rallias> 400 bad request is 301 bytes
[02:10] <JanC> if you get a 200 response for a non-existing page, that's certainly wrong too
[02:10] <ChmEarl> give me your IP/domain - I will telnet it
[02:11] <JanC> rallias: I suppose that IP address is not yours?
[02:11] <rallias> umm... nope.
[02:11] <JanC> ah, Yahoo
[02:12] <rallias> Yep
[02:12] <rallias> I also have evidence that they're trying to get on IRC, returning a 405 error
[02:14] <JanC> seems like it originates from a server in Amsterdam
[02:15] <rallias> I can extract all the IP addresses from it if you want
[02:15] <ChmEarl> rallias, I also get proxy attempts with 200 returned and they get my default page
[02:16] <rallias> I'm just in the process of downloading the access.log files
[02:16] <ChmEarl> welcome to internet hosting
[02:17] <ChmEarl> the water is fine, jump in
[02:17] <rallias> oh :/
[02:18] <rallias> just curious, but is it "legal" to have a colon in a filepath in unix?
[02:19] <JanC> rallias: only '/' and NULL are not allowed in a file name or directory name
[02:19] <rallias> ah.
[02:19] <rallias> So would it be possible to have a file path be /var//?isac
[02:20] <JanC> a file named "?isac" is certainly possible
[02:21] <patdk-nb> those are always fun
[02:21] <rallias> but would that thing be a valid file path?
[02:21] <patdk-nb> sure
[02:21] <rallias> i mean the /var//?isac
[02:22] <JanC> in most cases it would be valid, yes
[02:23] <rallias> most cases?
[02:23] <JanC> well, some applications might complain about the double //
[02:23] <JanC> and depending on where you use it, you might need to escape the ?
[02:24] <rallias> oh ok, so apache won't b&m?
[02:24] <JanC> b&m ?
[02:24] <rallias> b and moan
[02:25] <JanC> I guess that depends on how apache is configured  ;)
[02:26] <rallias> under standard ubuntian configuration (with about 20 vhosts)?
[02:26] <JanC> I've never tested using such filenames  ;)
[02:26] <patdk-nb> apache normally changes invalid to _ I think
[02:26] <patdk-nb> anything it doesn't like atleast :)
[02:27] <rallias> ok
[02:27] <JanC> and most likely it won't serve anything outside its DocumentRoot(s)
[02:27] <rallias> wow some people keep out of date dns...
[02:27] <rallias> ok
[02:28] <rallias> well... i've tried using .com/../ before...
[02:29] <JanC> when you use the default file serving stuff, that should not work  ;)
[02:29] <rallias> ok
[02:29] <rallias> oh noes someone found my youtube rips folder...
[02:29] <JanC> lol
[02:30] <rallias> <IP_ADDRESS> - - [10/Apr/2011:10:07:37 -0500] "GET /I%20Just%20Had%20Sex%20(feat.%20Akon)_(1080p).mp4 HTTP/1.1" 200 24820 "http://*****
[02:30] <rallias> :/
[02:30] <JanC> rallias: did you try using your server as a proxy from home?
[02:30] <rallias> yeah
[02:30] <rallias> it didn't work...
[02:31] <rallias> i feel slightly... er... not as smart as possible.
[02:33] <rallias> now that i think about it... why do I have port 8080 open...
[02:39] <rallias> how do I modify the php max run time thing?
[02:47] <onecrazycat> any good djbdns install guides available for 10.04 Lucid Server?
[02:49] <patdk-nb_> that's nuts :)
[02:51] <ChmEarl> session.gc_maxlifetime ?
[02:51] <onecrazycat> djbdns or dnsmasq:  FIGHT! (I really want opinions though…)
[02:53] <JanC> onecrazycat: for a simple home network it's easy: dnsmasq
[02:54] <onecrazycat> JanC:  I'm still on the fence…  I don't want to limit myself in the future…  what is it that makes dnsmasq better for a simple network?
[02:55] <patdk-nb_> I thought all the djbdns stuff hadn't been updated for years
[02:55] <patdk-nb_> dnsmasq is simple, does everything a network needs :)
[02:55] <onecrazycat> patdk-nb_:  From what I'm reading it doesn't support redundancy in DHCP (failover).
[02:56] <patdk-nb_> small networks generally don't have multible routers :)
[02:56] <patdk-nb_> therefor it would be pointless anyways
[02:57] <onecrazycat> patdk-nb_: for me I want to install a lot of VMs, and even a small VPS at home…  I'm getting my learn on, and I want this solution to expand with my network (virtual hosts).  You still think dnsmasq will be cool for around 30-50 servers?
[02:57] <patdk-nb_> dnsmasq could handle that without an issue
[02:57] <patdk-nb_> all depending on your dns query rate
[02:58] <patdk-nb_> I would probably go with dhcpd and pdns-recursor, cause that is what I default to
[03:00] <JanC> it depends on what you want to do and what you want to integrate with
[03:01] <JanC> if you want to use a tool to manage your VMs that also configures DHCP/DNS, check what it supports...  (I doubt any such tools integrates with djbdns though)
[03:04] <onecrazycat> It's a home network, so I'm rocking a little linksys router too… but i want it virtualized and customizable.
[03:05] <onecrazycat> It's a learning experience endeavor :)
[03:34] <Jasonn> I am trying to install openVPN from openvpn.net
[03:35] <Jasonn> and I get an error message when I try to start the server
[03:35] <Jasonn> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/595019/
[05:23] <CrazyGir> onecrazycat: my suggestion, if you have not yet decided, is to go with what is simple easy, get your learn on, and if you out-grow it in the future, switch
[05:24] <CrazyGir> you'll learn quite a lot more that way, and the experience won't be lost
[05:24] <CrazyGir> but more importantly, you won't be tripped up anylonger
[05:24] <onecrazycat> CrazyGir:  dnsmasq is installed and running :)
[05:24] <onecrazycat> CrazyGir: … and more importantly, working :)
[05:27] <CrazyGir> sweet
[05:27] <CrazyGir> that's fantastic
[05:27] <CrazyGir> yea, there's a certain amount of time/energy I allow myself to mull over a decision like that
[05:27] <CrazyGir> afterwhich it's time to get to work
[05:30] <CrazyGir> so the server flavor doesn't ship with man by default?
[05:30] <CrazyGir> am I off my rocker?
[05:32] <van7hu> hello
[05:33] <van7hu> I am just getting started with ubuntu server
[05:33] <van7hu> I installed it as LAMP, could I use it for a DNS server now?
[05:33] <onecrazycat1> van7hu: yes
[05:35] <onecrazycat1> van7hu:  here's a good rule to remember…  you can run as many daemons (services) as you want as long as you have the memory, hard drive space, and processor cycles.  That and open ports.  If say, port 80 is already used by Apache, nothing else can use that port.
[05:35] <van7hu> yeah, thanks
[05:35] <van7hu> I just asked to ask
[05:52] <CrazyGir> HAH: motd includes See "man sudo_root" for details.
[05:52] <CrazyGir> foo@base:~$ man sudo_root >>> -bash: man: command not found
[05:53] <CrazyGir> this is a vm built with vmbuilder
[05:53] <CrazyGir> am I missing something?
[06:17] <CrazyGir> sorry for the n00b question, but I'm from the BSD world where init/rc is a bit different.. how do you get a list of the daemons that start with each runlevel?
[06:25] <rigved> CrazyGir: afaik, /etc/rcx.d/ has the list of scripts that run at run-level 'x'. those with 'S' are the ones that are started at that run-level.
[06:26] <CrazyGir> yea, I'm also seeing stuff about upstart, which is cool, but adds complexity to the question
[06:26] <CrazyGir> :P
[06:27] <CrazyGir> here's a better question.. I've added ntpd via openntpd, assuming this hasn't been converted to upstart (not showing up in service --status-all), what should I do to ensure openntpd starts on boot and stays up?
[06:31] <CrazyGir> is it best to create your own upstart init config as described here? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBootupHowto
[06:36] <rigved> CrazyGir: yes, that seems to be the proper one
[06:38] <rigved> CrazyGir: see, the link also says that this process has been tested for the latest ubuntu version, 11.04. so, that is the way to go
[06:38] <CrazyGir> yea, I never know with ubuntu docs though, they're a bit all over the place
[06:39] <CrazyGir> much more complete than many other linux distros, but not really fully trustworthy either
[06:40] <rigved> CrazyGir: that may be because sometimes, the docs are not updated for the newer ubuntu versions. but for docs that are, they are the way to go
[06:43] <CrazyGir> sure, just not what you are used to when coming from BSD ;)
[06:44] <CrazyGir> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/ <--- this is a fantastic example of good quality, but this is not seen across the board
[06:45] <CrazyGir> well.. sort of. some sections are missing :P
[07:12] <lucky711x>  having trouble installing ubuntu server 10.10 on seagate cheetah ST39204LC SCSI hard drive using Adaptec 39160 PCI card on channel B, BIOS detects the drive, I did a low level format from the SCSI Utility, it was successful, then I verified the disk, and it passed, I have it set as ID0 and is being detect as so... BIOS sees it but Ubuntu partioner doesnt....hmm?
[07:27] <CrazyGir> are you stuck with adaptec  hardware lucky711x ?
[07:28] <lucky711x> yes I am CrazyGir
[07:32] <CrazyGir> :(
[07:32] <CrazyGir> are you _sure_ it is supported? (and well)
[07:36] <CrazyGir> lucky711x: ^^
[07:36] <lucky711x> yes CrazyGir I have had it detected and install before on the same eqpt
[07:36] <lucky711x> installed*
[07:37] <lucky711x> but it wouldnt boot and I did a low level format then tried to install again and no luck now
[07:43] <lucky711x> CrazyGir, what scsi hardware do you prefer?
[07:45] <lucky711x> CrazyGir, its weird while im trying to install ubuntu in power cycles on and off
[08:09] <CrazyGir> lucky711x: by 'supported' I mean to ask if you know this hardware model works well in linux/ubuntu
[08:10] <CrazyGir> in short, adaptec makes crap hardware as I've seen (see the OpenBSD write ups from a decade ago if interested)
[08:10] <CrazyGir> I prefer scsi/raid controllers that are well documented for devs to build working drivers
[08:10] <lucky711x> Yes is it support i forget what driver the kernel uses but it should work just fine
[08:11] <CrazyGir> 'supported' and 'working well' are not the same
[08:11] <CrazyGir> especially for 'open' hardware, note my sarcasm enclosing open
[08:12] <CrazyGir> supposing it does work well, do you end up with anything in dmesg?
[08:12] <CrazyGir> and / or do you have another card you can confirm as working?
[08:12] <CrazyGir> and/or can you try an install to a std disk to confirm the rest of the hardware works
[08:13] <lucky711x> lol well i wish i could get a dmesg but i am still stuck on install
[08:14] <lucky711x> im trying a low level format again, but unfortunately i keep getting a stop
[08:14] <lucky711x> i am probably about to boot up my sata drive and run some tools on the drive
[08:14] <CrazyGir> try other hardware.. in all the various combinations, to confirm what works and what doesn't
[08:14] <lucky711x> on the scsi drive*
[08:15] <lucky711x> well i have been working on this for about 36 hours troubleshooting different things, jumpers, settings in SCSIselect utility, settings in bios, formats, you name it, ive probably tried it
[08:19] <lucky711x> CrazyGir, mind if i pm you?
[08:20] <CrazyGir> sure
[14:20] <CrazyGir> any reason why ubuntu-server would be unable to figure out its hostname? even with a proper hostname set in /etc/hostname
[14:23] <CrazyGir> ah.. a _ is not a valid character for a hostname :P
[15:45] <Melonking_> Can anyone give me a link to the changes in 11.04 server?
[15:52] <Melonking> Anyone know the changes? Other than small ui things?
[17:11] <bsd123123> quick question. If I have dovecot running pop3 plain mode. and I log in remotely, is my password sent totally in the clear
[17:12] <patdk-nb_> only if you broke docecot's config
[17:13] <bsd123123> so what encryption is used for dovcot pop3 plain
[17:13] <patdk-nb_> none, that is why it's called plain :)
[17:14] <bsd123123> so passwords are sent in the clear?
[17:14] <patdk-nb_> not unless you break the config :)
[17:14] <bsd123123> lol
[17:14] <bsd123123> I can connect to my server using plain and pull mail
[17:14] <bsd123123> I broke the config?
[17:15] <patdk-nb_> disable_plaintext_auth = yes, is default
[17:15] <bsd123123> ah
[17:15] <patdk-nb_> if so, dovecot won't allow you to connect
[17:15] <patdk-nb_> so unless you change that, no, you can't
[17:39] <bsd123123> is there any security advantage between pop3 secure and imap secure
[17:39] <bsd123123> or are both same secure
[17:41] <patdk-nb_> heh
[17:41] <patdk-nb_> use ssl or tls
[17:42] <patdk-nb_> or both :)
[17:42] <qman__> they use the same methods to encrypt, if that's what you're asking
[17:42] <qman__> tls uses the standard port, ssl uses alternate ports
[17:43] <patdk-nb_> I think he was asking the difference between pop3 and imap, but heh, not enough info :)
[17:44] <bsd123123> i have it set up for pop3s. I configure my client for pop3 ssl/tls and it works, it sends a cert and connects. So good. but also in my client there is the option for 'normal password' and 'encrypted password'
[17:44] <bsd123123> when i choose normal I get the cert and connect fine
[17:44] <qman__> imap is a much better system IMO, especially with people getting email on their phones and several computers and whatnot
[17:45] <bsd123123> choose encrypted and it says - pop server doesnt support this
[17:45] <qman__> yeah, don't do that
[17:45] <qman__> that encryption is weaker than SSL and is deprecated
[17:45] <bsd123123> lol ok
[17:45] <qman__> it's how they used to do things before SSL/TLS existed
[17:45] <bsd123123> right sweet
[17:49] <bsd123123> I want to pick up roots email - for log reports and whatnot. I can't login directly as root. so in aliases, I add root: user and newaliases
[17:49] <bsd123123> user is not getting roots email though
[17:49] <qman__> there is actually a function built in when you set up the email the first time
[17:49] <qman__> who to deliver root's mail to
[17:49] <bsd123123> oh
[17:50] <bsd123123> I don't have to start again do I?
[17:50] <qman__> I'll see if I can find how to invoke it
[17:51] <qman__> ah, looks like it was just a frontend to /etc/aliases
[17:51] <qman__> so you did it right
[17:52] <qman__> might have to restart postfix
[17:53] <qman__> bsd123123, ^
[18:34] <DigitalFlux> Hi Guys
[18:35] <DigitalFlux> I'm having problems with configuring the puppet client, modifying puppet.conf for the [client] section doesn't seem to be read by the puppet service when it is restart !
[23:38] <CrazyGir> hello! I have a few VMs I created with vmbuilder and specified the server kernel release, main and universe repos, etc.. pretty stock stuff for a server, though some things like man seem to be missing.. does this seem correct? and if so, is there a list of differences between ubuntu std and server?
[23:41] <CrazyGir> dig/dns tools is another


 NeVeR_
[06:53] <NeVeR_> on windows at the moment.. doing some work.  :D
[11:44] <smile4ever> you like alison moyet, Kilos ? :p
[11:44] <Kilos> ?
[11:45] <smile4ever> Kilos: it's a singer :)
[11:45] <Kilos> dont know her
[11:45] <Kilos> havent heard her i think
[11:46] <smile4ever> well, should listen to "this house" song :p
[11:46] <smile4ever> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy5aAQktE68
[11:47] <Kilos> how big is it data wise
[11:47] <Kilos> i dont go youtube it eats data  and doesnt work half the time
[11:47] <Kilos> videos chew data
[11:51] <smile4ever> Kilos: hm :p
[11:51] <smile4ever> i don't know :p
[11:51] <smile4ever> I don't have to worry about it :)
[11:52] <Kilos> lucky hey?
[11:53] <smile4ever> yes. wanna have some bandwidth? :)
[11:53] <Kilos> send
[11:55] <smile4ever> you will need bandwidth for that :|
[11:56] <Kilos> i cant waste bandwidth on music videos
[12:06] <smile4ever> well yeah, I understand
[12:16] <charl> smile4ever: the internet in south africa is extremely bad and expensive
[12:16] <smile4ever> charl: i know :s
[12:16] <charl> smile4ever: we have to pay about 60 euro or so a month or 1mbps for my mom
[12:16] <tumbleweed> not actually that bad
[12:16] <tumbleweed> but yes, expensive
[12:16] <charl> tumbleweed: bad too
[12:16] <charl> terrible actually
[12:16] <smile4ever> charl: well I have about 8 mpbs (1MB/s) for 40 euro (400R)
[12:16] <charl> unless if you work at a university and you are on tenet or go and pay an absurd amount of money
[12:17] <charl> charl: i have 50mbps for 30 euro
[12:17] <charl> smile4ever i mean
[12:17] <charl> replied on myself lol
[12:17] <smile4ever> lol. :p
[12:17] <tumbleweed> charl: totally unscientefically, my south african 10Mbps DSL feels better than many UK friends' 24Mbps DSL, when I visit them
[12:17] <smile4ever> charl: that's sad, you may less :|
[12:17] <smile4ever> * pay
[12:18] <tumbleweed> the latency between us and US is pretty bad
[12:18] <smile4ever> but my internet is very stable :D
[12:18] <tumbleweed> but ZA ISPs have been getting a lot better. There's less shaping and less http-interception than there was before
[12:18] <charl> tumbleweed: it's because all the traffic gets routed to europe first
[12:18] <charl> then still has to go across the ocean to the usa
[12:18] <tumbleweed> charl: well, yes. We are quite far from the US
[12:19] <charl> tumbleweed: well before it was horrific so if it's better it's now just terrible :)
[12:19] <tumbleweed> also, we have no censorship
[12:19] <charl> well i would hope so :P
[12:19] <tumbleweed> UK ISPs tend to block the pirate bay, these days
[12:19] <charl> otherwise .za is going back into apartheid
[12:20] <smile4ever> charl: :(
[12:20] <tumbleweed> for me, the latency is the biggest issue. And there's nothing that can be done about that, except to use protocols that are less latency-sensitive
[12:20] <charl> smile4ever: for background, in apartheid there was limited media freedom
[12:20] <charl> tumbleweed: latency-wise south africa isn't too bad, kenya is much worse even though the bandwidth is better
[12:20] <tumbleweed> (and websites like twitter.com that take >30s to load)
[12:20] <charl> it's because they route all their traffic via india
[12:20] <smile4ever> charl: oh, really? :|
[12:20] <charl> so if you ping the usa you get > 1000 ms
[12:21] <tumbleweed> charl: yeah, remember when ZA latency to US was routinely > 500ms
[12:21] <tumbleweed> and when lots of outgoing traffic used to go over SAFE, returinng via SAT-3. Which seriously messed with geoDNS
[12:21] <smile4ever> 26.8ms for google.be :DD
[12:21] <charl> tumbleweed: if you go to the west coast, that might still be the case
[12:21] <charl> tumbleweed: but part of the patency issue was that a lot of traffic was being routed via satellite
[12:22] <charl> now with the new underseas cables, that improved obviously
[12:22]  * tumbleweed was never on cheap ISPs that did that
[12:22] <charl> "cheap" is hardly the term i would use
[12:22] <tumbleweed> :)
[12:22] <smile4ever> charl: what's your time for google.be? :)
[12:22] <charl> "less inaffordable" perhaps
[12:22] <tumbleweed> vaguley affordable? :)
[12:22] <smile4ever> ping -c 1 www.google.be
[12:23] <tumbleweed> google.be resolves to a local google site for me, so 6ms
[12:23] <charl> tumbleweed: yeah something like that
[12:23] <charl> smile4ever: i get 27.4ms to google.be
[12:24] <charl> but i'm on crappy wifi atm
[12:24] <smile4ever> charl: that's not much.. :)
[12:24] <charl> smile4ever: lemme ping from my work machine... 1sec
[12:25] <tumbleweed> smile4ever: well, it's not actually belgium
[12:25] <tumbleweed> belgium would be more like 200ms
[12:25] <tumbleweed> (> 200ms)
[12:25] <smile4ever> tumbleweed: where is google.be located then? :)
[12:25] <charl> smile4ever: 7ms consistently
[12:25] <charl> from work
[12:25] <smile4ever> ok :o
[12:25] <tumbleweed> smile4ever: it resolves to cpt01s01-in-f23.1e100.net for me
[12:25] <charl> yeah the cape town mirror
[12:25] <smile4ever> oh :)
[12:26] <charl> for me it resolves to wi-in-f94.1e100.net
[12:26] <tumbleweed> so, probably not even leaving cape town
[12:26] <smile4ever> 177 ms to cpt01s01-in-f23.1e100.net :)
[12:26] <charl> i get about the same, just over 180ms
[12:33] <smile4ever> and you are in the SA o.O
[12:37] <charl> have any of you people been playing with the raspberry pi?
[12:37] <charl> been looking at, unless perhaps you got an early version
[12:37]  * Banlam is still waiting for his to get made
[12:38] <Banlam> +-3 weeks till I'm supposed to get it
[12:38] <charl> yeah that sounds about right
[12:38] <tumbleweed> charl: got one. Don't intend on doing much playing, just wanted an ARM box for testing the occasional thing
[12:38] <charl> they are going to be shipping the first batches soon right?
[12:39] <tumbleweed> they've been shipping for a couple of months now
[12:39] <Banlam> charl, lost of people have their already
[12:39] <Banlam> well perhaps not lots
[12:39] <Banlam> but yeah
[12:39] <charl> ah ok maybe i haven't been monitoring it properly
[12:39] <charl> i know some people who ordered theirs
[12:39] <charl> there are a couple of alternatives now as well
[12:40] <charl> one of them is gnublin http://www.gnublin.org/
[12:40] <charl> there's also APC which is android-based http://apc.io/
[12:40] <charl> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e2jAaovuwk
[12:41] <tumbleweed> gnublin has very little RAM
[12:41] <Banlam> do any of the gnublin products have HDMI out?
[12:41] <charl> dunno only looked at it now for the first time
[12:41] <charl> http://shop.embedded-projects.net/index.php?module=artikel&action=artikel&id=1296
[12:41] <charl> yeah 8MB RAM but ok for small projects
[12:42] <tumbleweed> it's pushing it for linux
[12:42] <charl> it's a lot more expensive than the raspberry pi though
[12:42] <charl> tumbleweed: yeah but i bet it's a really dumbed-down version
[12:42] <tumbleweed> http://www.solid-run.com/products/cubox
[12:43] <charl> tumbleweed: nice
[12:43] <Banlam> no IO pins though
[12:46] <charl> have any of you tried running kde on a tablet?
[12:47] <charl> only looked at it now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPkYyDiuGyc
[12:51] <charl> tumbleweed: if you want really crappy internet, you should visit ireland
[12:52] <charl> tumbleweed: the dsl falls out every hour or two for a couple of minutes and the speed is terrible
[12:52] <charl> i was only there for 2,5 days and the dsl fell out probably 10 times
[12:52] <tumbleweed> charl: I have, I don't recall it being quite that awful, though :P
[12:53] <charl> tumbleweed: we were crawling coffee shops because there wasn't even wifi at the hotel
[12:53] <charl> tumbleweed: everyone seems to have had this "aercom" or whatever it was called
[12:53] <charl> 8mbps was about the fastest we got
[12:54] <tumbleweed> that's not so bad
[12:54] <charl> i can recall on the way back i saw in the airplane magazine "get 20 mbps for your business"
[12:54] <charl> i almost fell off the chair
[12:54] <tumbleweed> :)
[12:55] <charl> i wouldn't even want 20mbps at my house
[12:55]  * tumbleweed is going to debconf in nicaragua next week, which apparently will have 20Mbps backhaul for the conference http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf12/Bids/Managua#Network_connectivity
[12:55] <superfly> charl: that's fine, I'll take the 20Mbps
[12:55] <tumbleweed> I wonder how that'll work out :P
[12:56] <charl> ouch!
[12:56] <charl> central america... hmmm
[12:56] <charl> go outside and enjoy the weather instead :P
[12:56] <charl> or the beach
[12:56] <tumbleweed> it's the rainy season :)
[12:56] <charl> "20 Mbits will cost us 3,000 USD"
[12:57] <tumbleweed> but yeah, will be hot
[12:57] <charl> ok that sucks
[12:57] <tumbleweed> don't know if that information is still correct, maybe they organised something better
[12:57] <tumbleweed> apparently government is partially sponsoring (and letting us bypass customs/passport queues) so maybe...
[13:10] <smile4ever> bye :)
[13:10] <Kilos> bye smile4ever
[13:10] <charl> bye smile4ever
[13:19] <charl> http://www.geeksphone.com/ <- ooh!
[13:49] <charl> bbl
[15:37] <Kilos> evening all
[15:53] <Kilos> yo not_found
[15:54] <not_found> hello uncle Kilos
[15:54] <Kilos> huntyed but not_found  hehe
[15:54] <Kilos> hunted as well
[15:55] <not_found> :)
[17:18] <Kilos> evening charl
[17:18] <Kilos> inetpro, you here?
[17:18] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:18]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[17:18] <charl> hi Kilos
[17:18] <charl> Maaz, coffee please
[17:18] <Maaz> charl: Okay
[17:19] <inetpro> Kilos:  . ....
[17:19] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[17:19] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure
[17:20] <Kilos> naand boetie
[17:20] <inetpro> good evening everyone
[17:22] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos, charl and inetpro!
[17:22] <charl> thanks Maaz
[17:22] <charl> hi inetpro
[17:22] <charl> my goodness what is this link i just got from my mom http://mg.co.za/article/2012-06-30-anc-introduces-its-new-policy-on-land-reform
[17:22] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[17:22] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[17:24] <Kilos> yo Kerbero
[17:26] <Kilos> dont forget we have out next meeting on the 6th hey guys
[17:26] <Kilos> still lots of stuff on the agenda we didnt finish last time
[17:28]  * Kilos ^^
[17:29] <Kilos> most of you need at least a week to get your affairs in order
[17:30] <Kilos> yo magespawn
[17:30] <magespawn> Evening all
[17:30] <magespawn> Hey Kilos
[17:30] <Kilos> you just too late
[17:30] <magespawn> For ?
 dont forget we have out next meeting on the 6th hey guys
 still lots of stuff on the agenda we didnt finish last
 most of you need at least a week to get your affairs in order
[17:31] <magespawn> Reminders?
[17:31] <Kilos> lol i had just posted that when you came on
[17:32] <Kilos> all good there in warm land?
[17:32] <magespawn> Cool.
[17:32] <magespawn> Had a very warm day, today.
[17:32]  * Kilos jealous
[17:40] <magespawn> gc coffee
[17:40] <gc> magespawn: coffee is served with pastry
[17:41] <magespawn> gc coffee on
[17:41] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:41]  * gc flips the salt-timer
[17:41] <Kilos> magespawn, did you teach het that?
[17:41] <magespawn> Yup
[17:41] <Kilos> gc coffee please
[17:41] <gc> Kilos: Righto
[17:42] <Kilos> what pastry gets served with coffee
[17:42] <magespawn> Was trying to get her to serve it with the coffee.
[17:42] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:43] <Kilos> one cant fiddle with their default settings so easily
[17:43] <magespawn> Apparently not.
[17:44] <Kilos> you should sometime see where our 2 bots are looking at the wrong place for pretoria weather
[17:44] <magespawn> I was trying to do it through the 'teaching' commands.
[17:45] <magespawn> Will, when I get a second.
[17:45] <gc> Coffee's ready for magespawn and Kilos!
[17:45] <Kilos> you have to godeeper to alter default things
[17:45] <Kilos> gc ty
[17:45] <gc> It's a pleasure to serve humans Kilos
[17:46] <magespawn> gc bot snack
[17:46] <gc> magespawn: thankyou!
[17:46] <Kilos> i wouldnt know where they are supposed to find the pretoria or irene weather from anymore
[17:48] <magespawn> Lots of places, I assume you could set it to any website, or publicly available info.
[17:50] <Kilos> they used to have it right so the weather peeps musta changed something
[17:55] <Kilos> have a good night guys. i go crash now
[17:55] <Kilos> see ya morrow
[17:55] <Kilos> sleep tight
[18:14] <charl> wb smile4ever
[18:19] <smile4ever> thanks :)
[18:19] <smile4ever> i worked on the website of my dad
[18:19] <smile4ever> it's progressing slowly :)
[18:19] <smile4ever> round corners and stuff like that
[18:19] <smile4ever> :p
[18:21] <charl> ah nice
[18:24] <magespawn> Can we have a look?
[18:30] <smile4ever> bye
[18:30] <charl> lol
[18:30] <charl> bye smile4ever
[18:30] <smile4ever> good night, charl
[18:30] <smile4ever> magespawn: well, later :)
[18:30] <smile4ever> ;)
[18:30] <smile4ever> thank you charl
[18:30] <smile4ever> in a few days, magespawn :D
[18:31] <magespawn> Okay cool, let us know.
[18:31] <magespawn> And he is gone.
[18:33] <charl> http://i.imgur.com/QRauh.jpg
[18:39] <Banlam> trollface magnets long arms?
[18:40] <charl> yeah cause smile4ever just trolled us, in a strange way :P
[18:41] <Banlam> ok
[18:55] <magespawn> Yeah but not in a bad way.
[18:57] <magespawn> I am also out of here, battery needs the rest.
[22:54] <stavros> Hi all.  Please can someone help me get/buy the CD's for the latest Ubuntu.


[00:32] <gnoob> Hello, will the XFCE power manager show setting for a UPS box?  I have a cyberpower UPS that I am trying to get working.
[01:14] <Anom01y> hey
[01:14] <Anom01y> my buddy just freshly install Xubuntu 10.04,
[01:14] <Anom01y> did all the updates
[01:14] <Anom01y> and he sais that the mouse pointer vanished ?
[01:42] <Thermi> Anom01y: he should take a look at the Updates he made and, if possible, do a complete role back of his system to when it workes
[01:42] <Thermi> *worked
[02:24] <Anom01y> Thermi, yeah
[02:24] <Anom01y> I think its a graphics card issue
[02:25] <Anom01y> he has a Dell inspiron 6000 type model (120gb hd)
[02:25] <Anom01y> ATI radeon card of some type
[02:26] <old-laptop> argh my bad; im here now
[02:26] <old-laptop> how would i check which versio i have?
[02:26] <old-laptop> *of xubuntu
[02:27] <bazhang> !version
[02:27] <knome> oi bazhang :)
[02:27] <old-laptop> k....
[02:29] <old-laptop> ok thx;i have 10.04 but i wanna get 10.10 now :)
[05:19] <gnoob> XFCE power manger icon says that my UPS box is fully charged.  So it knows it exists.  Are there settings for controlling the automatic shutdown but I am not seeing them?
[05:38] <lighta> gnoob, do you mean auto shutdown when you battery is full ?
[05:40] <gnoob> lighta, auto shutdown when the UPS box is low on battery.
[05:41] <Mokura> (10.10) I'm having a heck of a time trying to figure out how to change the login screen theme.  Nothing in Session and Startup settings, and apparently gnome-appearance-properties doesn't exist.  Although that could be due to user confusion, I've tried googling the problem with little luck.
[05:41] <lighta> for me I simply right click on battery then choose preference and set auto shutdown for a lvl of battery
[05:41] <lighta> Mokura, are you using Xfce or gnome ?
[05:42] <Mokura> xfce
[05:42] <Mokura> default w/Xubuntu install.
[05:42] <gnoob> lighta, you have a "battery" tab on your power manager preferences?  I have "General" "On AC" an "Extended".
[05:42] <Mokura> I figured gnome settings things wouldn't exist, but I'm kind of new and I figured I'd try anyway. *shrug*
[05:44] <lighta> yes gnoob but for your issue
[05:44] <Mokura> I find it odd that the default setup app gives me the ability to change the splash animation, but not the theme or login background.
[05:44] <lighta> should you go on batterie
[05:44] <lighta> choose critique
[05:44] <lighta> then set shutdown
[05:44] <lighta> then you can set what a critique lvl on advanced menu
[05:45] <lighta> looking where I changed loading screen Mokura
[05:45] <lighta> oh the theme like your destock background ?
[05:45] <lighta> what are we talking about exactly ?
[05:45] <lighta> background or login ?
[05:46] <Mokura> preferably both, like changing a theme, but
[05:46] <Mokura> login screen BG would be a nice start
[05:47] <Mokura> (it's currently the default xubuntu wallpaper, and I already changed my desktop wallpaper.)
[05:49] <Mokura> I'm talking about changing the theme for the login, where it asks for user/password/etc.  I can change desktop stuff (after I've logged in) just fine.
[05:53] <lighta> ok ok Mokura
[05:53] <Mokura> Ah, sorry
[05:53] <lighta> not a problem I was just remenbering
[05:54] <lighta> I think it's on menu, parameter, starting and session
[05:54] <lighta> did you check that already ?
[05:54] <Mokura> in xfce settings manager?
[05:54] <Mokura> where I was looking was:
[05:55] <Mokura> Settings -> Xfce Settings Manager -> Session and Startup
[05:55] <Mokura> However
[05:55] <lighta> same
[05:55] <lighta> that for splash ye
[05:55] <Mokura> the tabs are General, Splash, Application Autostart, Session, and Advanced
[05:55] <lighta> splash would be for loading I think
[05:55] <Mokura> Splash is the animation that plays after I type in my password and log in.
[05:55] <lighta> now for menu where you put your pass hmm
[05:56] <lighta> ye
[05:56] <Mokura> And the BG for that.
[05:56] <lighta> yes with configure you can set your image
[05:57] <lighta> now for your loging menu hmm
[05:57] <Mokura> There's no option to set the image on Session and Startup.
[05:57] <lighta> configure ?
[05:57] <Mokura> Configure?
[05:57] <Mokura> Hm
[05:57] <lighta> on splash
[05:58] <lighta> chose simple
[05:58] <lighta> then configure
[05:58] <Mokura> ...oh.
[05:58] <lighta> use a personal image
[05:58] <lighta> yeah, got it ?
[05:58] <Mokura> welp don't I feel foolish
[05:59] <gnoob> lighta, I think that is my issues I do not have a battery section on power management.
[05:59] <Mokura> hm, wait
[05:59] <lighta> ohh !
[06:00] <lighta> ah yeah that odd gnoob,
[06:02] <Mokura> ...that changes the image used for the splash.
[06:03] <Mokura> at the rate I'm going it might be easier just to use gnome, but I'd much prefer xfce. <_>
[06:06] <lighta> well I think you can change value in
[06:06] <lighta> menu, parameter, parameter editor
[06:06] <lighta> just need to found the good option
[06:09] <lighta> brb what do I have again
[06:18] <Mokura> well bodge.
[06:19] <Mokura> I should have just installed Ubuntu at this rate, even though it's irritating how the panels are less configurable
[06:19] <gnoob> I had to look up what doge meant.
[06:19] <gnoob> bodge
[06:20] <Mokura> I have no idea if it means anything
[06:20] <Mokura> I just used it as a term of exasperation.
[06:20] <gnoob> 1. Informal to make a mess of; botch
[06:20] <gnoob> 2. Austral informal to make or adjust in a false or clumsy way I bodged the figures
[06:20] <Mokura> ahaha
[06:20] <Mokura> I wasn't too far off the mark then
[06:21] <gnoob> nope
[06:23] <Mokura> oh well, at least reinstallations are super easy in VMs
[06:23] <Mokura> thanks for trying
[06:24] <Mokura> -hm
[06:25] <Mokura> what annoys me is, apparently this login BG thing (GDM?) was possible
[06:25] <Mokura> http://softsolder.com/2009/04/02/changing-the-xubuntu-8-10-gdm-login-splash-screen/
[06:25] <Mokura> but /usr/share/gdm/themes/xubuntu apparently doesn't exist in 10.10
[06:31] <gnoob> Yeah, I am not sure what login manger they use.
[06:31] <moetunes> it is gdm afaik
[06:35] <Mokura> yes but
[06:35] <Mokura> I'm going nuts just trying to change the theme for it in xubuntu 10.10
[06:35] <Mokura> is it even possible to do it in an easy way?
[06:35] <Mokura> all I can easily change is the splash image
[06:36] <Mokura> which is what appears when you log in
[06:38] <gnoob> can you install whatever tool you used in gnome>
[06:40] <Mokura> I never started with gnome.
[06:40] <Mokura> I started with Xubuntu.
[06:40] <gnoob> http://www.techdrivein.com/2011/01/how-to-change-gdmlogin-screen.html
[06:41] <Mokura> ahahaha
[06:41] <Mokura> I just found a different article about that
[06:41] <Mokura> gonna give it a go
[06:41] <gnoob> if that works let me know. I would change mine.
[06:41]  * Mokura installed gnome-core earlier, didn't work, too much of a pain to try to hunt down all the dependencies since apparently synaptic won't
[06:42] <Mokura> er, well
[06:42] <Mokura> all the crap that came WITH gnome-core.  hurr.
[06:47] <Mokura> aaaaaand success
[06:47] <Mokura> thank fuzz
[06:47] <Mokura> (and gnoob too)
[06:49] <Mokura> it doesn't change the login window theme but really
[06:49] <Mokura> all I really wanted was the BG and the logo
[06:50] <Mokura> now I'm gonna reinstall Xubuntu since I actually know what I am doing now
[06:50] <Mokura> thanks for the help!
[06:50] <gnoob> I agree with the background.  I will probably change mine.
[13:52] <abualijawad> hi
[13:52] <abualijawad> parole player cannot play live video on xubuntu 10.10
[14:03] <abualijawad> your help please
[16:52] <xubuntu958> who learn compiles c++ in terminal?
[17:08] <Yew> Ciao a tutti
[17:09] <Yew> Ciao
[17:16] <tuxum> hello, I have a wireless connection established but I get no response with ping. I don't have this problem with the livecd. What can i do?
[18:18] <Goliath> i need help
[18:18] <Goliath> what is folder .mailcup for?
[19:15] <Infinity8> I need some help
[19:15] <Infinity8> whenever i try installing xubuntu it just freezes at the logo of xubuntu


[00:09] <NCommander> Hey all, I'm working on setting up a mythbuntu box, and I was having an issue with SUID messages, but running mythfrontend as sudo just leads to a segfault
[00:09] <NCommander> Help please :-/
[01:41] <MythbuntuGuest83> i am looking for a way to edit my fstab so that it will pull media from my main myth
[01:41]  * Batshua looks around.
[01:42] <Batshua> Can anyone help me fix my xorg.conf?
[01:42] <Batshua> We were trying to make it less horrible and somehow succeeded in trashing it completely
[01:44] <aegis> check /etc/X11 for backups
[01:44] <MythbuntuGuest83> i found a link one time that had a step by step tutorial of what to add to fstab
[01:45] <MythbuntuGuest83> now i can't find it
[01:59] <Batshua> Oh, it's visible again
[01:59] <Batshua> I just don't know how to make it WORK
[01:59] <Batshua> you know, where all parts of the screen align with the monitor
[01:59] <Batshua> and the resolution works.
[02:03] <MythbuntuGuest83> i remember i had to create a directory somewhere and ....
[02:08] <MythbuntuGuest83> found it...http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=667580
[02:09] <MythbuntuGuest83> in case anyone wanted it
[02:14] <Batshua> Um, my xorg.conf could use some help.    I have three ways to connect the mythbox to the tv: DVI, Composite, and S-Video.  So far none of them work right.
[02:15] <Batshua> By "work right", I mean "has proper resolution, is centered, and is the right color".
[02:15] <Batshua> Could anyone assist me with the configuration?
[02:15] <Batshua> I would really appreciate it.
[02:28] <kevinle> Anyone here get irblaster.info serial blaster to work with mythbuntu?  with out messing up the PVR150 remote capabilities?
[03:28] <MythbuntuGuest06> is there a problem with the cover art not downloading on movies now?
[03:35] <MythbuntuGuest06> what is the new tmdb?
[03:39] <MythbuntuGuest06> please help
[03:45] <MythbuntuGuest06> how do i change over to the tmdb now?
[04:47] <stiev3> MythbuntuGuest06, I have yet to try it, but if you have an existing install you'll have to get your hands on the tmdb.pl script and edit your mythvideo settings to switch from imdb.pl to tmdb.pl
[04:47] <stiev3> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/364704
[04:50] <stiev3> Coverart isn't working because your imdb.pl script expects a certain layout from imdb.  If imdb changes its layout, the script no longer finds the proper links to posters when it reads imdb and you get no coverart/no plot/no whatever they changed.
[04:56] <MythbuntuGuest06> the cover art part is not working...i want to switch to the tmdb
[04:57] <rhpot1991> warning: the movie database may be missing some info on some films
[04:57] <rhpot1991> so pick your poison
[04:57] <stiev3> yes, where you lack posters on imdb, you may lack everything from tmdb
[04:59] <stiev3> it's easy enough to fix and you do that by creating a tmdb account and filling in the missing info/poster.  I think if you follow the info in that link you'll get there.
[06:04] <kevinle> has anyone here been able to work the irblaster from irblaster.info
[11:45] <guindous> has anyone a pinnacle pctv analog card?? i have some issue with the remote control...
[16:51] <whoDat> anyone alive? ;)
[16:51] <neoneddy> define alive?
[16:51] <tgm4883_laptop> the popes alive
[16:51] <whoDat> mmm.. had your caffine this morning
[16:52] <tgm4883_laptop> jean claude van dam is alive
[16:52] <neoneddy> I'm sipping some Coke in a luminum can they were giving out at the Minnesota Wild game last night
[16:52] <neoneddy> JCVD FTW!
[16:52] <whoDat> whats a luminum can lol
[16:53] <neoneddy> I'm space happy ... aluminum bottle rather ... sorry
[16:54] <whoDat> oh heh
[16:54] <whoDat> so anyone know what happened to the multimedia keys in mythbuntu 8.10?
[16:55] <whoDat> my volume keys still work, but they dont register in XEV with key codes so that I can remap them.
[17:06] <neoneddy> http://snipurl.com/ahccu here is that coke can/bottle thing
[20:44] <hads> You left an i out of your aluminium :)
[21:01] <tritium> English is an evolved language, with Greek, Latin, German root words.  So what if he's using a newer version than you?
[21:05] <hads> --> :) <--
[21:06] <neoneddy> no I just can't type well..
[21:07] <hads> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminum#Present-day_spelling


[09:18] <tdr112> morning
[09:18] <tdr112> can you downgrade
[15:18] <slashtom> so....
[15:19] <slashtom> what happens when if rains on sunday?
[15:28] <ebel> we grumble about the weather like normal irish people
[15:38]  * slashtom stands under ebel's umbrella
[15:38] <ebel> (Note to self: bring umbrella on sunday)
[15:43] <tdr112> slashtom: there is a place where you can take cover
[15:50] <slashtom> aye, next to ebel


[07:39] <gioele> I got an oops while using a mainline kernel. Is there a tool in Ubuntu to report oops to kerneloops.org?
[07:47] <smb> gioele, There is the kerneloops package. Though the setup by default reports through apport. But iirc you can run it manually and modify the options then.
[15:36] <smb> apw, rtg Hm, am I looking the wrong place or could it be that the generic inclusion list in utopic lost some elements? Just saw someone complaining about virtio_scsi and it indeed appears to be missing (compared to trusty)
[15:37] <apw> they do sound like things we did very recently, so ... i could believe they have not been syncd
[15:37] <rtg> smb, maybe it never acquired then.
[15:37] <rtg> them*
[15:37] <rtg> I've been known to forget to forward port. we haven't done a resync in awhile.
[15:38] <smb> Yeah there is a certain diff...
[15:38] <apw> i did only debian when i did the emergency one at the weekend
[15:39] <smb> Guess I should send a diff then... :)
[15:41] <rbasak> ppisati: your post sounds reasonable, but could you also post it to cross-distro please?
[15:56] <ppisati> rbasak: yep, i'll do
[15:57] <ppisati> rbasak: i was waiting for some other answer just to hear what the general consensus was
[15:58] <rbasak> ppisati: thanks. I think we'll probably want to get consensus on cross-distro. I think it's fine to not yet have consensus but still have a discussion there.
[16:01] <apw> start_line_y = weechat.infolist_integer(infolist, "start_line_y")
[16:27] <wilhelm1> apw: Does building a 64bit kernel on 32bit software require cross compiling?
[16:28] <apw> wilhelm1, "kinda" the tool chain generally can build both 32 and 64 bit in the case of x86
[16:28] <apw> wilhelm1, i would normally not cross build, but build in a 32bit chroot on a 64bit box
[16:28] <apw> oh .. you said the other way round, interesting ...
[16:29] <apw> i think in theory the compiler has -m64 avaialble, though if the package knows how to trigger that
[16:32] <wilhelm1> apw: Are the 64bit linux softwares cross compiled or built from 64bit toolchains?
[16:33] <apw> wilhelm1, we build them all "nativly" in a chroot of teh appropriate type, in some cases we can share the builders, for example a 64bit x86 builder can build either 32 or 64 bit chroots
[16:36] <wilhelm1> So apw is it built on a 64bit machine on software that was written and compiled for it?
[16:37] <apw> we nativly compile the kerenls yes
[16:37] <apw> people do cross them, but not for the archive
[16:38] <wilhelm1> Where do we get the code from is it always forked from debian?
[16:42] <apw> for the kernel we work mostly directly against mainline, as we are generally versions ahead of debian
[16:45] <wilhelm1> apw: That is kernel.org or vger?
[16:45] <apw> linus' releases
[16:46] <wilhelm1> apw: Where are linus' releases found?
[16:46] <apw> we get them from his git tree, but they are also released as tarballs on kernel.org
[16:47] <wilhelm1> Share with me the link to his git tree.
[16:48] <apw> git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git
[16:55] <wilhelm1> Do we use any security measures to verify the authenticity of what is taken from git?
[17:00] <apw> wilhelm1, yes, we use only signed (and verified) tags as base
[17:02] <wilhelm1> apw is we defined as canonical?
[17:02] <apw> we is defined as those of us in the kernel-team who pull in new upstream versions, be it mainline or stable
[17:06] <wilhelm1> apw: How many times has the signing key changed since the last in person meeting with linus?
[17:07] <apw> wilhelm1, i only know of it changing once
[17:08] <wilhelm1> once too many?
[17:08] <apw> we have strong web of trust connections to both of the keys he has used
[17:09] <wilhelm1> apw: What is linus' email?
[17:10] <apw> he has various emails, but he is using Linus Torvalds<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[17:46] <wilhelm1> signing off now
[20:24] <wilhelm1> The bots could deliver fresh baked bread daily.
[20:24] <wilhelm1> Is there a goal?
[20:24] <wilhelm1> fresh baked bread daily


[09:45] <andyrock> morning
[14:42] <clvx> systemd-resolve is eating my cpu 100% after upgrading to Zetsy. It happens everytime I'm connected to a wifi network.
[14:45] <clvx> This is the bug in question https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1670959
[15:42] <ximion> Laney: the crazy memory consumption of asgen might indeed have been an GirToD bug
[15:43] <ximion> it wasn't freeing strings properly if they were transfer: full annotated
[15:43] <ximion> (and also had problems with arrays)
[15:43] <ximion> AppStream API doesn't use that much at all, but if you run the very few cases thousands of times, you run out of space anyway
[20:56] <Laney> ximion: nice, did you fix those?
[21:04] <ximion> Laney: no, but others did: https://github.com/gtkd-developers/GtkD/commit/83cab4a45f27c5a0551185abe3f76248c3e368f7
[21:05] <ximion> not sure if that actually was the issue, it's really hard to test - but I will know for sure when I rebuild the metadata for Debian with the updated generator next time
[21:07] <ximion> after I checked and profiled the hell out of my code, the bindings are the only thing left to blame at least :P
[21:17] <dobey> where does evolution store its accounts configuration these days?
[21:22] <dobey> since i can't seem to delete a remote address book from the UI
[21:26] <jbicha> dobey: do you remember how you added the account in the first place? UOA, GOA or Evolution itself?
[21:27] <jbicha> you could also ask in #evolution on irc.gnome.org
[21:28] <dobey> evolution itself
[21:30] <jbicha> ok, I don't know
[21:32] <dobey> ok thanks anyway
[21:37] <dobey> ah apparently it was added via UOA; deleted that accounts db and it fixed my issues there


[15:23] <xnox> dalurka:  somebody should have a salesforce account to file a request.
[15:23] <xnox> dalurka: you can always modify /etc/initramfs-tools/modules locally to make things work for you
[15:24] <xnox> dalurka:  i am on holiday until next year =/ but even if i did act upon it, i would only do it for jammy devel release; you would still need to file support request if you want it in other releases.
[18:14] <dalurka> xnox: I have a salesforce account.. not sure what to do in there though
[18:14] <dalurka> xnox: I still have this week left at work :(
[18:15] <dalurka> I've manually patched the initramfs we use now so i'll do for now.. but really want it into next LTS if possible
[18:15] <dalurka> xnox: modules, would that be the names of the kernel modules?
[20:54] <tomreyn> dalurka: i'm just a random person reading this, so this is not anywhere close to as useful as an answer by xnox, but i'll add my POV nevertheless: the context of your conversation tells me that canonical uses salesforce as a request tracker for commercial support requests. xnox suggested that you use this to file a commercial support request (I don't know how to do that exactly, but I bet you can find out, since your account will have
[20:54] <tomreyn> limited acccess anyways). When doing so, unless there are explicit form fields leading you through the process, I would at least make sure to explain (a) what you need done (describe the existing problem, link to the bug report, and add a 'definition of done'), (b) what impact it has for you, (c) until when you need it done or how impact changes for you if this does not happen until then. If reaching this goal or not reaching it makes a
[20:54] <tomreyn> difference as to whether your organization can continue or extend using Canonical services, that would also be relevant info.


[05:19] <fta> ok, i'm gone. let's the marathon begins :P
[11:06] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: you have a minute (should have looked before asked in -ot
[11:06] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: Sure.  Just be warned my brain is at up-too-late functioning.
[11:07] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: are you working on flash 10 for backports, and how far back are we backporting it?
[11:07] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: my rain is on vacation :)
[11:07] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: I'm not - I just brought it up; don't have the skill to actually do anything about it.
[11:07] <gnomefreak> s/rain/brain
[11:09] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: ok thanks i will work on them its very simple to do. i just need to know if someone else is working on it. ive been having issues getting packages pushed so i will think about it.
[11:11] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: The last comment on the bug is from someone with an @canonical.com e-mail address saying that they are working with Adobe on a solution.
[11:12] <gnomefreak> good luck with that. they are trying to get adobe to change the tarball name when updating flash
[11:12] <gnomefreak> atleaast im sure that is it but i havent seen bug
[11:13] <tonyyarusso> Another option discussed was putting a copy in the partners repo
[11:13] <gnomefreak> asac: Jazzva  how do you feel about extensions depending on other extensions?
[11:14] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: that is not a bad idea but adding it there my not be so good since people cant enable multiverse now we are gonna expect them to enable that :)
[11:15] <tonyyarusso> gnomefreak: An excellent point, but it's probably better than having it *appear* to install correctly (as happens in the GUI where you don't see the 404 message) and then having it not work.
[11:15] <gnomefreak> true
[11:16] <gnomefreak> ive been online for like 20-30 minutes and i managed to break kernel nvidia and sound
[11:17] <tonyyarusso> meh, I have a machine with neither NIC working
[11:17] <tonyyarusso> and a speaker that crackles during startup for some reason
[11:18] <gnomefreak> the login sound is broke on jaunty among other things :)
[11:18]  * gnomefreak will be back i need smoke
[11:20] <tonyyarusso> Wow.  I just realized that the Ubiquity time zone selector has the town of Menominee, Wisconsin in completely the wrong place.
[11:27] <gnomefreak> asac: fta_out Jazzva we need to go over the extension list for done ones and push them since we are very behind on that list
[12:33] <gnomefreak> asac: are you here or is the connection at google a problem?
[12:47] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, asac left this morning for UDS
[12:47] <gnomefreak> oh crap i thought it was sunday :(
[12:47] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, which extension would depend on other one? but that should be ok, if something like that happens.
[12:48] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: flashgot (on site says it needs a download manager i have asked people in #ubuntu-offtopic if they use it and if it does but no answer
[12:49] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, on AMO or flashgot's site?
[12:50] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, I see
[12:50] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: http://flashgot.net/ i will look for the direct link
[12:51] <gnomefreak> i would rather not but i need to know if it is needed or if wget is good enough
[12:52] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, it mentions that it supports curl, which is a CLI program, so that should be good enough, because it's not Gnome- or KDE-specific
[12:53] <gnomefreak> ok good i shouldnt have to add curl since it is installed with -desktop package atleast im fairly sure it is
[12:54] <gnomefreak> im in synaptic atm so i can add that to my search to dos
[12:55] <directhex> did someone say CLI?
[12:55] <directhex> oh, wait... ._.
[12:56] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, maybe someone removed curl after the installation of ubuntu, so I think it would be safer to add it
[12:57] <gnomefreak> ok works for me
[12:58] <gnomefreak> i also have to work on iceweasel-linky maybe for monday
[13:00] <gnomefreak> unless someone else wants to fix it
[13:03] <gnomefreak> does look like it was removed from -desktop deps
[13:17] <gnomefreak> why do i package shit
[13:17] <gnomefreak> ive had firegpg done for months (since august) and now i find iceweasel-firegpg
[15:11] <gnomefreak> there flashgot is done now i can go to work


[06:05] <tjaalton> RAOF: did you accept intel-mediasdk? :)
[06:08] <tjaalton> many thanks if so, there's also intel-opencl-clang on the queue.. -graphics-compiler and -compute-runtime are on then way
[06:08] <tjaalton> *the
[07:15] <RAOF> tjaalton: yup! I don't suppose there's any way to do this without having three copies of llvm in the archive 😜
[07:22] <tjaalton> RAOF: all I care about is already on llvm 8 (including mesa), I'm not sure if we can drop older ones yet.. I'll have a look though
[07:24] <RAOF> That was snark on my part. I haven't looked at intel-opencl-clang yet. You mean it doesn't include its own llvm fork?!
[07:28] <tjaalton> ah.. it doesnt'
[07:29] <tjaalton> intel-cm-compiler kinda does, but it's a clang based compiler so doesn't actually ship clang
[07:30] <tjaalton> but it's not strictly needed at this point, only when we want to build the media shaders from source
[07:32] <tjaalton> "Opencl-clang is a thin wrapper library around clang"
[07:32] <tjaalton> :)
[09:19] <rbalint> RAOF, also thanks for waylandpp if you accepted that, too! :-)
[09:22] <rbalint> btw i can't trigger autopkgtests manually, i get gateway timeouts :-(
[09:23] <rbalint> can i please get the ff exception for LP: #1822341?
[12:30] <acheronuk> sil2100: why does this bileto ticket only see one source package, when there are 66 in the PPA? https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3680
[12:37] <ahasenack> Hi, I'm having a dep8 test failure in cosmic in what seems to be a math rounding error, I vaguely remember something like this when glibc was upgraded in one of the cycles, but can't remember it well. it's only happening on i386: https://bileto.ubuntu.com/excuses/3686/cosmic.html
[12:37] <ahasenack> I added some debugging, and this is what I get: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/gDwknD4rZK/
[12:39] <ahasenack> ganhei um bounce, peraí
[12:39] <ahasenack>     Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table
[12:39] <ahasenack> ops
[12:39] <ahasenack> sorry
[12:39] <ahasenack> wrong channel (the pt_BR and bounce bits)
[13:14] <xnox> jamespage, how come nova-compute-libvirt and nova-network depend on package 'vlan' which as far as i can tell useless.
[13:15] <xnox> jamespage, and like if any vlan stuff is needed to be done by libvirt, it should be like using iproute2/netplan/networkd and not ifupdown....
[13:15] <xnox> jamespage, we shouldn't need to install vlan package at all anymore.
[13:19] <cpaelzer> xnox: libvirt used to use netcf (for ifupdown) but this didn't work in the networkd world anymore
[13:20] <cpaelzer> furthermore it was an unused (and unwanted) feature to control networking through libvirt
[13:20] <cpaelzer> due to that the netcf dependency and feature was droped I think at Bionic or Cosmic
[13:20] <cpaelzer> not sure what it would do with vlan, but you said that is a dependency of nova right?
[13:21] <xnox> cpaelzer, should the vlan dep be then dropped from nova-network and nova-compute-libvirt then as well? i don't see those calling ifupdown/vconfig or anything like that.
[13:21] <xnox> cpaelzer, not sure if that dep was added because it used to be used indirectly via libvirt...
[13:22] <cpaelzer> from libvirt's POV it isn't neede dthere
[13:22] <cpaelzer> waiting for jamespage to answer the nova POV on this
[14:04] <xnox> coreycb, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/635533/3 did you include that in ubuntu's nova now? or are you still waiting on usptream to incorporate that?
[14:05] <xnox> coreycb, we are in final stages of pushing openssl 1.1.1 update into bionic, and we will need that patch in bionic's nova.
[14:23] <xnox> jibel, hmmmm.... is one supposed to configure /etc/utah/config on per-arch basis? or do we need to install/detect the right things on per-arch basis?
[14:24] <xnox> jibel, i see that ppc64 jobs are using the wrong libvirt xml file. THye use default-vm.xml instead of default-vm-ppc64.xml
[14:24] <xnox> and i'm not sure how/where/why it's configured that way.
[14:32] <jibel> xnox, it's defined in https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa-jenkins/qa-jenkins-jobs/trunk/view/head:/scripts/iso-testing/run-iso-test.sh
[14:32] <jibel> but there is no way to override it apparently
[14:33] <xnox> right
[14:33] <xnox> jibel, and we (a) don't generate bridged-network-vm.xml for ppc64le & s390x b) don't use them.
[14:34] <xnox> jibel, i guess i can extend utah to generate those and make that script use per-arch xml files then.
[14:34] <xnox> let me try to do some typpy typpy
[14:39] <coreycb> xnox: i was waiting for it to land upstream first
[14:40] <coreycb> xnox: sounds like we need to expedite this to get back to bionic
[15:08] <xnox> jibel, it looks like in some jobs run-iso-test.sh is carbon copied included and changes the -xml arg. but in other praces the script is used, but arch argument is passed. So just updating the script should do the trick to unbreak ppc64le.
[15:11] <xnox> jibel, could you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/qa-jenkins-jobs/enable-per-arch-xml/+merge/365357 or should i like self merge that?
[15:17] <xnox> coreycb, not quite expedite, but we need it. also it means nobody to date uses that bit of code on any recent releases, cause clearly xenapi+openssl1.1.1 is busted.
[15:45] <jibel> xnox, merged
[15:45] <jibel> xnox, there is no config for s390x on venonat
[15:46] <xnox> jibel, tah.
[15:46] <xnox> jibel, and no s390x jobs yet.
[17:46] <wxl> ␂
[17:47] <wxl> ooh that was a fun oopsie
[18:20] <Eickmeyer> Updated screenshot for Ubuntu Studio's slideshow in bug 1822663.
[18:20] <Eickmeyer> (includes patch)
[18:21] <Eickmeyer> cyphermox: ^
[18:27] <cyphermox> ack
[19:05] <seb128> jdstrand, hey, just as a fyi ipset/firewalld needed to be hinted to be tried together from proposed, I did that and they both migrated now. Thx for the work dealing with the iptables/ebtables side of things
[19:28] <robert_ancell> infinity, did you approve the snapd-glib packages in NEW in cosmic? If so, can you do the same for bionic/xenial?
[19:38] <cyphermox> Eickmeyer: could you please just attach the image file in it's entirety instead? it'll be much easier to update that way
[20:05] <Eickmeyer> cyphermox: Okay, sure thing.
[20:10] <infinity> robert_ancell: I did, and I can go look, sure.
[20:10] <robert_ancell> infinity, thanks!
[20:10] <Eickmeyer> cyphermox: Done.
[20:23] <infinity> robert_ancell: Intentional that xenial doesn't ship test-qt?
[20:23] <robert_ancell> infinity, yes, we never added qt support to xenial
[20:24] <infinity> Kay.
[20:24] <infinity> robert_ancell: Processed.
[20:24] <robert_ancell> infinity, cheers


[08:30] <kalikiana> timp: please have another look at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/acceptTheOptionSelector/+merge/301478 CI is now definitely passing, and the bug should be sorted