[00:44] <YokoZar> ScottK: Can I just make a straight upload of r-base since it's not a new package (but rather a replacement for the older one) or does that need a freeze exception too?
[03:16] <ScottK> YokoZar: It's a new upstream release that's not just bugfixes, so it needs to be included.
[03:17] <YokoZar> ScottK: so attached to the bug report then
[03:17] <ScottK> Yes.
[05:59] <lamalex> Can anyone see why lintian gives me this? http://lintian.debian.org/tags/manpage-has-bad-whatis-entry.html on http://paste2.org/p/402746
[06:00] <lamalex> I don't understand what's not right- it looks fine t me
[06:23] <dholbach> good morning
[06:23] <lamalex> :) just barely
[07:18] <lamalex> so can anyone help me fix this manpage?
[07:22] <binarymutant> lamalex, on line 27 should there be a "."?
[07:24] <lamalex> binarymutant: I dont think that would create the warning lintian gives, would it?
[07:25] <lamalex> i guess ill try it and see..
[07:26] <lamalex> nope, still get it
[07:27] <binarymutant> lamalex, no clue, it could be lacking escape characters or something. srry :/
[07:28] <lamalex> binarymutant: no problem
[07:31] <lamalex> ahha! got it
[07:32] <lamalex> the name should be the binary name, not the application name
[07:32] <lamalex> tictactoe instead of Tic Tac To
[11:17] <sluimers> Hi there, Ive got a build error of which I don't know what to do with: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30927603/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-amd64.ika_0.62~21_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[11:18] <sluimers> It seems the amd64 version wants to use a uint from <sys/types.h>, how do I prevent that
[11:18] <sluimers> ?
[11:24] <shiki-> hello everyone. I got a problem with one of my packages: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30930407/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-amd64.mpg123_1.7.2-3ubuntu1~ppa2~intrepid1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz . here is the file which it refers to: http://pastebin.com/d5534de35
[11:27] <gnomefreak> does cupsddk replace cupsddk-drivers?
[12:07] <shakaran> hi, I need some help for create a .deb (exactly with signing gpg)
[12:08] <shakaran> I run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot and get this:
[12:08] <shakaran> gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available
[12:09] <shakaran> but gpg --list-secret-keys show me a key
[12:09] <shakaran> what I need for signing my .deb?
[12:10] <azeem_> shakaran: I think you need to specify which key you want to sign with via the -k option
[12:10] <azeem_> shakaran: however, it is usually better to pass the -us -uc options to dpkg-buildpackage in order to skip signing
[12:10] <azeem_> and do the signing later on using debsign
[12:11] <shakaran> how to use debsign?
[12:11] <shakaran> a guide? I search on google?
[12:11] <azeem_> it has a manpage I think
[12:11] <shakaran> ok, I search now, thanks
[12:20] <shakaran> I am doing wrong.
[12:20] <shakaran> debsign -k 1DEEE63D myprogram_0.0.1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[12:20] <shakaran> debsign: Only a .changes, .dsc or .commands file is allowed as argument!
[12:22] <azeem_> shakaran: remove the space between the -k and your keyid
[12:23] <shakaran> oh, was easy! thanks again
[12:51] <shakaran> another question, I have in the file rules a command for copy my binary to /usr/bin
[12:51] <shakaran> But the command dont work
[12:51] <shakaran> cp myapp $(CURDIR)/debian/usr/bin/myapp
[12:51] <shakaran> if I put with sudo dont work
[12:55] <shakaran> I need more privileges for copy in /usr/bin?
[12:59] <shakaran> some help please?
[13:00] <azeem_> what do you mean with dont work?
[13:01] <azeem_> do you get an error message?
[13:04] <shakaran> $ myapp
[13:04] <shakaran> bash: /usr/bin/myapp: No such file or directory
[13:04] <sebner> shakaran: where is myapp locatet?
[13:04] <sebner> *located
[13:05] <shakaran> I made a shell script for run in /usr/share/myapp/myapp.py
[13:05] <shakaran> /usr/bin/myapp invoque to /usr/share/myapp/myapp.py
[13:05] <azeem_> shakaran: just copying things under $(CURDIR)/debian is not enough, you need to make sure it is actually getting into the .deb at the end
[13:06] <sebner> shakaran: yeah and where is your shell script myapp currently?
[13:06] <shakaran> on myapp-0.0.1/myapp
[13:07] <sebner> shakaran: cp $(CURDIR)/myapp $(CURDIR)/debian/myapp/usr/bin/myapp
[13:07] <azeem_> shakaran: look into dh_install to install it properly so thata it ends up in the .deb
[13:08] <shakaran> oh, maybe is for $(CURDIR)
[13:08] <shakaran> My actual command is:
[13:08] <shakaran> cp ./myapp $(CURDIR)/debian/usr/bin/myapp
[13:09] <sebner> shakaran: your commend can't work. $(CURDIR) = myapp-0.0.1 and you have to use debian/myapp/usr/foo because debian/usr doesn't exist
[13:10] <shakaran> I do this before:
[13:10] <shakaran> mkdir -p $(CURDIR)/debian/usr/bin
[13:10] <shakaran> then /usr exists no?
[13:11] <sebner> shakaran: please don't do such weird stuff. For creating folders there is debian/dirs and it won't be in the archive. You want /debian/myapp/usr/bin
[13:12] <shakaran> ok, I gonna try
[13:15] <shakaran> yeah, it works ;) thanks
[13:15] <sebner> shakaran: installing the shell script should be done by makefile/python install though if it's in the upstreams tarball
[13:16] <shakaran> ok
[14:31] <sistpoty|work> hi folks
[14:31] <iulian> Hey.
[14:32] <DktrKranz> hey sistpoty|work
[14:32] <sistpoty|work> hi DktrKranz and iulian
[14:46] <qnix> hi, I forgot how to build a source package even if I can sign it (it's a packge from another dude)
[14:46] <lool> -kyou
[14:46] <lool> e.g. debuild -klool
[14:46] <lool> To disable signing, -us -uc
[14:46] <lool> qnix: Check the dpkg-bp and debuild man pages for the available options
[14:47] <qnix> ha, that's it. I had the -uc, but the -us was missing.
[14:47] <qnix> thanks a lot
[14:59] <bddebian> Heya gang
[15:00] <sistpoty|work> hi bddebian
[15:00] <bddebian> Hi sistpoty|work, congrats! :)
[15:00] <sistpoty|work> hm? what are you congratulating me for?
[15:01] <bddebian> Oh nevermind, wrong person, I'm not awake yet.  I was thinking you just got married but I was confusing you with someone else :)
[15:01] <sistpoty|work> heh, well, I know whom you confused me with ;)
[15:01] <bddebian> :)
[15:04] <qnix> Is it safe to rebuild the intrepid gcc 4.3.2 package for hardy, and install it ? Or it could be a few packages that could have be built against the old version ?
[16:25] <IntuitiveNipple> Is there an in-depth guide to python-support (for apps) or a mailing-list available somewhere?
[16:33] <DktrKranz> IntuitiveNipple: internals guide, or "How to implement stuff with pysupport" ?
[16:35] <IntuitiveNipple> I think 'internals' - I've got a package built using pysupport and the deb looks good and it installs fine. The problem is, python-support compiles to /var/lib/python-support/pythonX.Y/<package>/ and adds symlinks to the source in /usr/share/python-support/<package>, but it isn't linking any non-python supporting files. In this case, it is the application's Glade interface definitions in a sub-directory of one of the module directories.
[16:37] <DktrKranz> it does so for python only files, I see no reason for glade files to be under python directory
[16:37] <DktrKranz> IIRC there's a specific directory for glade files
[16:37] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm wondering if the way to do it is have the glade files installed to /usr/share/<package/glade/ - but if I do that, the upstream authors would have to refactor the existing source quite dramatically since it expects to find its glade files in a sub-dir of the application module
[16:38] <IntuitiveNipple> Locations the app expects to find things are hard-coded relative to the app's main() module
[16:38] <DktrKranz> hmm
[16:38] <IntuitiveNipple> indeed! :D
[16:39] <IntuitiveNipple> I've been humming for the last 24 hours trying to find documentation that describes this kind of scenario.
[16:39] <DktrKranz> http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/collab-maint/deb-maint/python-support/trunk/README?revision=13985
[16:39] <DktrKranz> these are pysupport internals, but code is easy enough to be fully understandable
[16:40] <IntuitiveNipple> Yes, I've read the README several times but it doesn't provide any guidance for this kind of issue.
[16:41] <IntuitiveNipple> If there were something saying "python-support" enabled packages will separate python and non-python files to different paths, so the application may need to be patched, I at least know what is required :)
[16:41] <DktrKranz> and you won't find in pysupport as well
[16:42] <DktrKranz> but wait
[16:42] <DktrKranz> is it a standalone app?
[16:42] <DktrKranz> e.g. no public modules, or extensions?
[16:42] <IntuitiveNipple> define 'standalone' ? It's called "openshot" (a non linear video editor) and it depends on the MLT framework
[16:42] <DktrKranz> it's an application?
[16:43] <IntuitiveNipple> so no, nothing public or extensions and it is an application
[16:43] <DktrKranz> does any other part depend on one of its components?
[16:43] <IntuitiveNipple> I've already added a python-mlt package to 'mlt' which openshot depends on
[16:43] <DktrKranz> (part of Ubuntu archive)
[16:43] <IntuitiveNipple> no, openshot is new. I'm doing the packaging for the very first time
[16:44] <IntuitiveNipple> It depends on several mlt/ffmpeg/etc/ packages that are in my PPA since they need newer upstream releases than are in the archives so far
[16:44] <DktrKranz> good, so it can be self-contained in a private directory
[16:44] <IntuitiveNipple> Yes, it can
[16:45] <DktrKranz> so, things are getting easier
[16:45] <DktrKranz> does it use distutils?
[16:45] <IntuitiveNipple> I've created a distutils setup.py for generic cross-distro installations and added debian/unbuntu specific stuff in debian/openshot.{install,postinstall,postrm}
[16:46] <IntuitiveNipple> yes, it does... that bit and pysuport with CDBS works nicely
[16:46] <DktrKranz> you can instruct distutils to install things under /usr/share/pkgname
[16:46] <DktrKranz> and then provide a symlink in /usr/bin pointing to /usr/share/<app>/<applauncher>
[16:47] <DktrKranz> and you're in business!
[16:48] <IntuitiveNipple> hmmm... ok, how to tell distutils the install location when using CDBS? I've been looking at the CDBS web doc and it isn't clear there's a CDBS_ variable for that
[16:49] <IntuitiveNipple> The only one I thought might be it is "DEB_PYTHON_PRIVATE_MODULES_DIRS"
[16:49] <IntuitiveNipple> but the description isn't too precise on its intent
[16:49] <DktrKranz> mh... look at distutils.mk, it has something to pass to setup.py install
[16:50] <DktrKranz> I don't remember variable name, though
[16:50] <IntuitiveNipple> do you mean "python-distutils.mk" ?
[16:50] <pochu> to install a module in a private dir?
[16:50] <IntuitiveNipple> pochu: to install the entire app in a private dir :0
[16:51] <pochu> try --install-lib
[16:51] <pochu> if you're using CDBS: DEB_PYTHON_INSTALL_ARGS_ALL = --install-lib=usr/share/emesene
[16:52] <IntuitiveNipple> Does the 'lib' affect the fact it is an application in any way?
[16:53] <IntuitiveNipple> looking at python-distutils.mk I think I'd need to set DEB_PYTHON_INSTALL_ARGS_$(cdbs_curpkg)
[16:54] <IntuitiveNipple> because the CDBS script sets DEB_PYTHON_INSTALL_ARGS_ALL already
[16:54] <IntuitiveNipple> e.g.: DEB_PYTHON_INSTALL_ARGS_ALL = --no-compile -O0 --install-layout=deb
[16:55] <DktrKranz> it is DEB_PYTHON_INSTALL_ARGS_ALL += --install-lib=/usr/share/<app> --install-scripts=/usr/share/<app>
[16:57] <IntuitiveNipple> ahhh, I see the way you're thinking :)
[16:57] <IntuitiveNipple> I was forgetting about delayed evaluation of the variables in the makefile
[16:58] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm testing the build/install/execution now
[16:59] <DktrKranz> you have to provide symlinks as above, or adjusting sys.oath
[17:00] <DktrKranz> *path
[17:10] <IntuitiveNipple> Fab guys, thanks! the .deb shows the new locations... I just have to alter setup.py now to install the glade files in a sub-dir and it ought to start.
[17:19] <zooko`> k zooko_work
[17:20] <DktrKranz> IntuitiveNipple: check if your package has a .private file
[17:21] <IntuitiveNipple> I don't see one listed via Gdebi... let me check in the installed directory
[17:25] <IntuitiveNipple> DktrKranz: No .private file under /usr/share/openshot
[17:34]  * sistpoty|work heads home... cya
[17:45] <DktrKranz> IntuitiveNipple: it's not in /usr/share, do dpkg -c *.deb | grep private
[17:46] <IntuitiveNipple> DktrKranz: No, there is no 'private' file
[17:51] <IntuitiveNipple> DktrKranz: Thanks for all your help... the app is now partially starting although needs some changes to more path assumption in looking for files. I'll revisit the 'private' indicator another time. I assume that should be set by distutils ?
[18:17] <zooko`> I see a pair of tickets which are duplicates.
[18:17] <zooko`> Do I have the power to link them together?
[18:17] <zooko`> If not, what would it take to give me that authority?
[18:19] <andv> zooko, you need to be member of bug-control LP team
[18:19] <andv> zooko, which requires full understanding of how bugs reports works / priorities etc
[18:19] <zooko`> Sounds like a lot of authority.  Is there a way to give me such authority but only for bugs related to my projects?
[18:19] <james_w> no you don't
[18:20] <zooko`> Projects of which I'm the maintainer?
[18:20] <james_w> anyone can duplicate bugs can't they?
[18:20] <andv> zooko, I guess yes
[18:20] <zooko`> How doI do it?
[18:20] <zooko`> I explored the UI but didn't see it.
[18:20] <andv> james_w, not really sure
[18:20] <james_w> "Mark as duplicate" under the bug title
[18:20] <james_w> just above the package name
[18:20] <zooko`> james_w: thanks.
[18:21] <zooko`> How can I see what are the other duplicates already makred as duplicated of this ticket?
[18:21] <andv> at your right side
[18:21] <james_w> "Duplicates" list on the right
[18:21] <andv> yeah
[18:21] <zooko`> Thanks!
[18:21] <andv> yw
[18:22] <zooko`> Here's another question.  This package of which I'm the upstream maintainer -- pycryptopp -- was uploaded to REVU, but then it was instead synced from Debian.
[18:22] <zooko`> How do I mark the REVU item as "duplicate" of the please-sync ticket?
[18:22] <andv> what do you mean with REVU item?
[18:22] <zooko`> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/pycryptopp
[18:23] <andv> you should ask to have it archived
[18:23] <james_w> done
[18:24] <zooko`> james_w: you archived the REVU page for pycryptopp?
[18:24] <james_w> yeah
[18:24] <zooko`> Thanks.
[18:24] <james_w> np
[18:28] <Laney> geser: do you know what changed in the LP API to break getSourcePackage?
[18:29] <geser> bug 418802?
[18:30] <james_w> I think I'm just going to re-upload the older python-wadllib
[18:31] <Laney> ValueError: Invalid value '"Published"' for parameter 'status': valid values are: "Pending", "Published", "Superseded", "Deleted", "Obsolete"
[18:31] <Laney> that error
[18:32] <Laney> is that the same thing?
[18:32] <geser> yes
[18:32] <Laney> ok
[18:32]  * Laney grabs the older wadlib then
[18:35] <geser> james_w: is the old python-launchpadlib also affect by the problem that keeps python-oauth out of main? as it embeds a copy of it (according to a comment on the MIR)
[18:36] <Laney> which version is the most recent unbugged one?
[18:36] <geser> current - 1
[18:36] <Laney> makes sense
[18:36]  * Laney should check timestamps
[18:36] <james_w> well, the old launchpadlib is in main
[18:36] <james_w> was, sorry
[18:37] <james_w> so python-oauth *could* be promoted based on that
[18:37] <james_w> however, ubuntuone also embeds a copy, and so we want to fix that
[18:37] <james_w> but they have some issues with it
[18:37] <james_w> so we're at a bit of an impasse
[18:37] <Laney> can't they continue to use their bundled one?
[18:38] <james_w> not for release
[18:38] <Laney> I mean, if that's what they're currently doing then there's no change right
[18:38] <geser> I can understand it but isn't the problematic code already in main (as part of python-launchpadlib (the old version as the new doesn't build currently))?
[18:38] <james_w> it's currently in main *twice*
[18:38]  * Laney has forgotten what he was initially doing
[18:39] <james_w> so having it in as a separate package is fine from that point of view
[18:44] <geser> and if the code is already in main (as embedded copies) it shouldn't block the MIR of a separate package for it IMHO
[18:46] <james_w> well, the issue is that we probably don't actually want the package in main by release
[18:46] <james_w> does putting it in now make that harder?
[18:46] <james_w> probably not
[18:47] <zooko`> How can I find a list of all packages that depend on python-foolscap?
[18:47] <geser> if the code is that problematic should launchpadlib be moved to universe instead till it's fixed?
[18:48] <james_w> it's not problematic for launchpadlib's usage
[18:48] <zooko`> james_w: could you please archive this REVU page, too: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/zfec
[18:48] <james_w> rdepends:   python-apport
[18:48] <james_w> geser: ^that's why
[18:49] <slayton> how long after a package is accepted into debian unstable will it make it into the ubuntu repositories
[18:49] <james_w> zooko: it is already archived
[18:49] <zooko`> james_w: okay, thanks.
[18:49] <james_w> slayton: currently it won't get in until 10.04 opens for development at the start of November
[18:50] <geser> currently main has a source version of python-launchpadlib not matching the published binaries, this should be probably also fixed before release
[18:50] <james_w> it will be
[18:50] <slayton> is 10.04 a lts?
[18:50] <james_w> dobey is currently working on an alternative to python-oauth that he hopes to get everyone using in karmic
[18:50] <zooko`> Here is the package web page for python-foolscap, and I don't see any mention of other packages that depend on it: http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/python-foolscap
[18:50] <zooko`> Does that mean that there are none?
[18:50] <james_w> that could well be the  way we go
[18:51] <james_w> % apt-cache rdepends python-foolscap
[18:51] <james_w> python-foolscap
[18:51] <james_w> Reverse Depends:
[18:51] <james_w>   ipython
[18:51] <james_w> zooko`: ^
[18:52] <zooko`> james_w: thanks!
[18:55] <james_w> geser: ok, I have permission to put it in main and track it for release
[18:55] <james_w> geser: thanks for talking sense in to me :-)
[18:57] <geser> np :)
[19:32] <sluimers> Hi, I have a question. I've got a failedtobuild error and I don't know how to solve it. -> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30927603/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-amd64.ika_0.62~21_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[19:32] <sluimers> It's for PPA
[19:33] <sluimers> I want to put something on PPA
[19:34] <sluimers> and for some reason the program I'm trying to put on doesn't want to be built in amd64 because of a duplicate uint. Problem is, I don't want to use usr/include/sys/types.h at all
[19:35] <sluimers> Another thing is, for reason the program itself doesn't end up in the pacakage.
[19:37] <mzz> I suspect getting rid of that (indirect) sys/types.h include would be much harder than getting rid of the conflicting definition in the package, but c++ (or c for that matter) really isn't my strongest language
[20:30] <wildnfree_> !help register
[20:50] <sistpoty> crack... hard-coded dependencies against libraries... ffmpeg transition isn't as easy as I thought
[20:50]  * sistpoty admits to have missed dvdauthor's hardcoded one :(
[20:51] <sistpoty> dvdstyler even
[20:52] <sistpoty> btw.: if anyone wants to help out: apt-cache rdepends libavutil-unstripped-49
[20:53] <sistpoty> anything in that list needs to get rebuild to pick up the new shlibs dependencies. You can see if it worked out if there are no more -unstripped dependencies in the resulting binary
[20:53] <sistpoty> instead it should be "... | ...-extra"
[20:53]  * sistpoty walks the list from top to bottom right now, and I'm at zoneminder
[20:54] <sistpoty> oh, and if s.th. ftbfs, or the dependencies don't go away, please inform me, I'll add that to the trouble candidates lists
[21:13] <sluimers> !help packaging
[21:15] <sluimers> !help they're after me!
[21:15] <sluimers> okay :)
[21:15] <sluimers> Hi, I have a question. I've got a failedtobuild error when tryng to upload my PPA and I don't know how to solve it. -> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/30927603/buildlog_ubuntu-jaunty-amd64.ika_0.62~21_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[21:16] <sluimers> For some reason the program I'm trying to put on doesn't want to be built in amd64 because of a duplicate uint. Problem is, I don't want to use usr/include/sys/types.h at all
[21:22] <sistpoty> sluimers: then don't include it? (or did a dependency include types.h?)
[21:23] <sluimers> I don't know how it gets included
[21:24] <sluimers> could be a dependency yes
[21:25] <sluimers> If I only knew where it was included
[21:25] <sistpoty> sluimers: I assume looking at ./common/port.h:44 might shed more light?
[21:27] <sluimers> It's just a bunch of typedefs
[21:28] <sistpoty> maybe grep for types.h?
[21:39] <sluimers> thanks, not sure if it'll work by turning "types.h" into "common/types.h" (because the program I'm trying to upload to the PPA also has a types.h), but I'll test it.
[22:04] <arvind_khadri> what does dpkg-source -x do??
[22:05] <geser> eXtracts a source package
[22:05] <arvind_khadri> ok, so it necessary to do before we do fakeroot debian/rules?
[22:07] <geser> yes
[22:20] <YokoZar> ScottK (or others): If I have a package that I uploaded a couple weeks ago but was rejected due to an incomplete copyright file, do I need a feature freeze exception to upload it?
[22:20] <YokoZar> (I've since fixed it)
[22:26] <sistpoty> YokoZar: if it was in the new queue before FF, you don't need an FFe
[22:26] <sistpoty> YokoZar: just make sure to find an archive admin to review it again
[23:21] <c_korn> I add a line 'm4_include([m4/intltool.m4])' in aclocal.m4 but after running autogen.sh the line is disappeard. any idea why ?
[23:21] <c_korn> I need that m4 file because a Makefile.am uses it
[23:22] <sistpoty> c_korn: afaik aclocal.m4 is autogenerated
[23:22] <sistpoty> c_korn: you could try acinclude.m4 though
[23:24] <c_korn> sistpoty: this file does not exist. I wonder why this m4 file is not included although it is required
[23:26] <sistpoty> c_korn: hm... actually on a second thought, the configure.{ac|in} should get this straight, given that you b-d on intltool
[23:27] <c_korn> b-d? build-depend ?
[23:27] <sistpoty> yep
[23:28] <c_korn> intltool is installed, yes
[23:28] <sistpoty> hm...
[23:29] <c_korn> is a line like "IT_PROG_INTLTOOL([0.35.0])" required in configure.ac to get it right ?
[23:31] <sistpoty> c_korn: that macro doesn't sound too wrong to me (maybe except for the version)... but I must admit that I'm a little bit clueless myself right now
[23:32] <sistpoty> let me look at the autoconf documentation for a second ;)
[23:32] <c_korn> hm, I added it. now I get this error http://pastebin.com/d5e22d5c3
[23:32] <c_korn> there is no po directory actually
[23:36] <sistpoty> but there's a directory with translations?
[23:51] <c_korn> I think I messed something up
[23:51] <c_korn> all I want to have is some code in Makefile.am to install a gconf schema
[23:54] <sistpoty> hm... sorry, can't really help you there, haven't done that myself yet
[23:55] <c_korn> ok, thanks anyway


[00:18] <Muscovy> Could someone tell me if http://bugs.ubuntu-manual.org/ is open source?
[01:07] <dutchie> Muscovy: er
[01:08] <dutchie> i can't remember whether i put the code anywhere or not
[01:08] <dutchie> it is in theory
[01:08] <dutchie> ah, it is
[01:09] <dutchie> Muscovy: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual-website/ubuntu-manual-website/bug-form


[19:42] <vish> is anyone OP around?
[19:42] <vish> -meeting is being trolled
[19:42] <Tm_T> vish: wrong channel, and we're at it...
[19:43] <vish> cool.. ok , just that entering in -ops is scary for me :)
[19:43] <Tm_T> !ops call does the trick too, and is been used
[19:44] <Tm_T> bah
[19:44] <vish> hehe!
[19:44] <Tm_T> ubottu: forget !ops call does the trick too, and
[19:44] <niko> ?
[19:45] <Tm_T> forgotten...
[22:14] <foul_owl> I have a suggestion for ubuntu irc. Perhaps make various extra channels for specific support, the same way that the forums do. Networking, graphics, etc.
[22:15] <erUSUL> that have been discussed already. there is an open bug in launchpad you can go read the opinions there
[22:15] <bazhang> foul_owl, been considered many many times
[22:16] <erUSUL> foul_owl: https://bugs.launchpad.net/empathy/+bug/392799
[22:16] <guntbert> foul_owl: there are not *that* many helpers ...
[22:16] <foul_owl> thanks for the link. i wanted to give my input, but i never considered it would be a bug in launchpad. thanks!
[22:17] <foul_owl> guntbert: gotcha. that makes sense.
[22:17] <erUSUL> foul_owl: thanks; anyway :)
[22:17] <guntbert> you can tell your client to ignore the join/part messages
[22:17] <foul_owl> i do, i was just thinking about specific support issues, such as networking
[22:18] <foul_owl> thanks again!


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[22:22] <rockesha> hi. unable to install ubuntu on toshiba satellite a135 s2326 previously running vista. tried xubuntu, no luck. can work on xubuntu cd by setting acpi=off. any advice?


[11:37] <ingvar> Got a question on CVE-2020-11653 aka 1971504. I think it is important. Being new to the ubuntu bug/change process, I'd like to know if there is anything else I should do to get attention to this bug.
[11:37] <ingvar> I have added my comments to that bug
[11:42] <ingvar> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/varnish/+bug/1971504
[12:42] <rbasak> ingvar: that bug is confusing since it covers multiple issues. I suggest that if you want to track a specific issue in the bug tracker, you ensure that a bug exists that specifically tracks that issue only.
[12:44] <rbasak> ingvar: we generally cherry-pick security fixes, so you if you provide a suitable debdiff that fixes just a specific issue and it meets the security team's requirements, then they can sponsor it for you. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/SponsorsQueue, and for help, use #ubuntu-security.
[12:45] <rbasak> According to https://ubuntu.com/security/CVE-2020-11653 Ubuntu is not affected by that CVE. Is that wrong? If so, please ask in #ubuntu-security for that entry to be fixed.
[12:56] <ingvar> rbasak: Thanks. Being used to the patching method in rpms, I find Debian/Ubuntu's quilt quite cumbersome. I may look into this, but I do _not_ guarantee anything. I have reported my findings in #ubuntu-security.


[12:04] <tedthetrumpet[m]> Quick question: am I right in thinking that recent versions of Ubuntu Studio can be installed on top of a regular Ubuntu install? I'm thinking of trying that route. Thanks!
[13:12] <veremitz> I think that's been the way for some time now ..
[14:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> !ubuntustudio-installer | tedthetrumpet
[14:54] <tedthetrumpet[m]> Great, thanks!


[09:22] <crodrigue> Hello
[09:24] <crodrigue> Anyone there?  I have news re: pixel cleanups on the Humanity Icon Set
[09:27] <megabyte405> i'm here
[09:27] <megabyte405> but I haven't done anything with it
[09:35] <crodrigue> ...?
[09:35] <crodrigue> I didn't know you were supposed to.  Last time I was on this channel, I volunteered.
[09:37] <crodrigue> I was using the link (http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/humility-icons.tar.bz2) to grab the latest set.
[09:37] <crodrigue> I have now completed icon cleanups for all the icons in that tar.bz2, unless the tar.bz2 has been chanced since I started working on them.
[09:38] <crodrigue> *changed, not chanced.
[09:38] <crodrigue> Anyway.  I was wondering: where do I upload my contribution?
[09:39] <crodrigue> I already have my contribution here: http://www.worlord.com/misc/GonzO-Humility.tar.gz , but I was wondering if there was a special place I had to put it for the rest of the team to get it.
[09:48] <crodrigue> ...hello?


[09:13] <G> hads: I know this is a late response and you've prob figured it out, but it sounds like a hashing thing
[09:58] <hads> G: Thanks. Turned out it's kinda complex, AES encrypted and hashed with various bits. Ran out of time to play with it in between real work.
[09:59] <hads> Been trying to hack the "WeMo" setup commands.
[10:01] <G> ahhh right
[10:39] <G> gonna wait for the price on that sort of stuff to come down and/or more open solutions (some of the kickstarter projects are interesting, but lack anything NZ wise)
[10:50] <hads> Yeah, that's why I was hacking on this. Relatively low price for a standards compliant NZ product.
[19:08] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:34] <ajmitch> morning
[20:35] <mwhudson> morning


[17:43] <eliasps> Hello, is there a Ubiquity developer here? Greek users are affected by a critical bug regarding locales. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1158750
[17:43] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1158750 in ubiquity "Ubiquity does not create correct UTF-8 locales" [High,Confirmed]
[22:10] <darkxst> is there some way we can force the installer to use UTF-8 locales written into /etc/default/locale? we are hitting issues with gnome-shell crashing when locales are non UTF-8 like "sv_SE"
[22:11] <darkxst> basically we need "sv_SE.UTF-8" instead
[22:33] <darkxst> cjwatson, ^
[22:33] <darkxst> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1165681
[22:33] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1165681 in gnome-shell "GDM/gnome-shell fails to start" [Undecided,New]


[00:00] <cbreak> Genius: which ever protocol you want obviously
[00:00] <leftyfb> cbreak: go read the documentation for unrealircd. It's not an officially supported application in ubuntu
[00:00] <biscuitbutter[m]> How do I look at the partition table or choose the GA kernel option
[00:01] <cbreak> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat#Technical_information
[00:01] <matsaman> biscuitbutter[m]: GA?
[00:01] <leftyfb> biscuitbutter[m]: have you tried the HWE kernel?
[00:02] <matsaman> General Availability
[00:03] <tomreyn> biscuitbutter[m]: sudo fdisk -l | nc termbin.com 9999    will post info on your partition tables on termbin.com, so we can also inspect it
[00:03] <tomreyn> this only works when you have a working internet connection, such as from the live / installer system
[00:03] <tomreyn> (or from the installed system by other means than the non-working wthernet)
[00:03] <matsaman> I've always found the update-while-installing option to be highly problematic
[00:04] <biscuitbutter[m]> tomreyn: Okay thanks, I will try this during the live session.
[00:04] <matsaman> there's no way anybody's done all the QA for that
[00:05] <biscuitbutter[m]> matsaman: There's a way to turn this off?
[00:05] <tomreyn> biscuitbutter[m]: a knowledgebase article on dell.com suggests the partition error at boot can be a bios bug https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/de-de/000132051/how-to-fix-an-invalid-partition-table-error-on-a-system-with-a-ssd-solid-state-drive?lang=en  latest bios update is https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-us/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=x26vm&oscode=wt64a&productcode=latitude-3150-laptop
[00:06] <tomreyn> biscuitbutter[m]: 'install updates during installation' (or similar) is an option during installation. i think ti is disabled by default.
[00:07] <tomreyn> (i don't (yet?) see how that's related to your issue, though)
[00:08] <biscuitbutter[m]> tomreyn: There is an SSD in my laptop. So that may fix the partition table error, but not the ethernet error. I'll still do this though.
[00:10] <tomreyn> biscuitbutter[m]: the ethernet issue is probably a driver problem, i'd look into that next. once you're on the live system, post this as well:   lspci -knn | grep -EA3 '(Network|Ethernet) controller' | nc termbin.com 9999
[00:11] <biscuitbutter[m]> ok. so I don't need to put a windows iso onto the usb, i just need to put the .exe file onto the usb? or no since ubuntu is linux
[00:11] <biscuitbutter[m]>  * ok. so I don't need to put a windows iso onto the usb to install the bios from the usb, i just need to put the bios .exe file onto the usb? or no since ubuntu is linux
[00:14] <tomreyn> biscuitbutter[m]: bring up the live system first of all, i'll see how to do the bios upgrade in the meantime
 "biscuitbutter: bring up the live..." <- I figured out how to update the bios and already noticed an improvement, now I actually see gnu grub, I hadn't seen it until now
[00:24] <tomreyn> you don't usually get to see grub during boot, unless you're holding down shift (bios boot) or hitting escape once (uefi boot) during boot
[00:27] <biscuitbutter[m]> Does it matter whether I do legacy or uefi boot? My boot method should be the same as the original installation, right?
[00:28] <tomreyn> it should not matter for the live/installer system unless you're planning to install, it will matter for the on-disk installation, where you'll need to use the same mode as you installed in
[00:33] <biscuitbutter[m]> https://termbin.com/8taf
[00:33] <biscuitbutter[m]> The other command gave me errors, do I need to include sudo for that too?
[00:34] <tomreyn> biscuitbutter[m]: "the other command" was   lspci -knn | grep -EA3 '(Network|Ethernet) controller' | nc termbin.com 9999    i assume?
[00:34] <tomreyn> no need for sudo there, but you probably had a typo then - consider just copying and pasting instead
[00:36] <tomreyn> biscuitbutter[m]: other than the usb connected storage device (60 GB), only a TOSHIBA MQ01ACF0 500 GB hard disk was detected,no SSD.
[00:37] <biscuitbutter[m]> oh right. i guess the ebay seller scammed me then. that's irrelevant to this though
[00:38] <tomreyn> upgrading the bios was probably good anyways, though, based on the latest versions' changelog about battery swelling
[00:40] <biscuitbutter[m]> https://termbin.com/0lv2
[00:45] <tomreyn> biscuitbutter[m]: okay, maybe then the GA kernel is really better for you. are you able to bring the system online by other means after installing?
[00:45] <tomreyn> i.e. wireless lan, or a smartphone connected with a cable and set to tethering mode?
[00:47] <biscuitbutter[m]> I've tried configuring wifi but idk how since it requires an ssid. i could try using a smartphone though
[00:48] <tomreyn> it "requires and ssid"?, how so, are you prompted to enter one by keyboard, or do you just not have access to a wireless access point?
[00:50] <biscuitbutter[m]> I know how to login on windows it's easy, i just put in a username and password
[00:50] <biscuitbutter[m]> but idk how to login to the wifi on linux. i'll try the smartphone idea
[00:51] <tomreyn> the same user experience on Ubuntu should be the same as you discussed for Windows, unless you have wireless chipset which the manufactrurer did not provide good linux support for.
[00:52] <tomreyn> what you're saying sounds like the latter is the case for yours
[00:53] <biscuitbutter[m]> it's either that or idk which option to select for security, but you're probably right
[00:54] <biscuitbutter[m]>  * it's either that or idk which option to select for security, but you're probably right. so I guess the solution is keeping the GA kernel?
[00:56] <tomreyn> biscuitbutter[m]: a workaround may be to move to tracking the GA kernel only, removing the HWE kernel
[00:57] <biscuitbutter[m]> tomreyn: How do I do this?
[00:58] <TJ-> note: there are some systems where network connection is /either/ wired Ethernet or Wireless, but not both at once.
[00:59] <biscuitbutter[m]> I found this command  sudo apt install --install-recommends linux-generic
[01:00] <biscuitbutter[m]>  * I found this command  sudo apt install --install-recommends linux-generic ; should I do this during the live session before I install?
[01:00] <TJ-> biscuitbutter[m]: no
[01:00] <biscuitbutter[m]> @tj-
[01:00] <TJ-> biscuitbutter[m]: that won't change anything, especiall in the live session
[01:01] <TJ-> biscuitbutter[m]: what does "rfkill list" report? anything blocked or soft-blocked?
[01:04] <biscuitbutter[m]> TJ-: No, weird.
[01:05] <biscuitbutter[m]> oh nvm it works now, cool
[01:05] <biscuitbutter[m]> weird, what a massive waste of time this all was. oh well, at least i upgraded my bios. Thank you!
[01:16] <Lago> test: https://www.dropbox.com/s/f5e08tu3ca4rh76/lago%20on%20libera.chat%20irc%20network%20%20ubuntu%20%28901%20users%29%20%28cjnt%20510%29%202021-08-09%2020-16-06.jpg
[01:17] <tomreyn> Lago: is this an ubuntu support topic?
[01:18] <Lago> stfu
[01:43] <Croran> what's the fanciest IRC client available from Ubuntu official repos?
[01:45] <oerheks> clli or gui ?
[01:45] <oerheks> hexchat vs irssi
[01:47] <matsaman> ^ those are the big choices
[01:47] <oerheks> go wild on irssi scripting, or use a reliable rich client
[01:48] <Croran> oerheks: fanciest! no cli! haha
[01:48] <matsaman> https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=172
[01:48] <Croran> hexchat is GTK?
[01:48] <oerheks> hexchat is the supported xchat fork
[01:48] <oerheks> yes
[01:48] <Croran> matsaman: comic chat lol
[01:48] <matsaman> =D
[01:48] <Croran> that was a good idea really. too bad it didn't take off.
[01:49] <matsaman> well, it's not like it'd be hard to reimplement
[01:50] <Croran> well yeah, but you'd need the marketing to get it going
[01:50] <matsaman> lot of IRC "competitors" do avatars, too
[01:50] <Croran> oh yeah?
[01:50] <Croran> hexchat?
[01:50] <matsaman> nah you only need marketing if you need to make money
[01:50] <matsaman> and even then, only if you need to make money on a product people don't want to buy
[01:50] <matsaman> not hexchat, no
[01:50] <matsaman> hexchat is an IRC client
[01:50] <matsaman> there are competing systems other than IRC
[01:50] <matsaman> and their clients allow for avatars
[01:50] <Croran> oh
[01:51] <Croran> like what?
[01:51] <oerheks> irc does no webcam
[01:51] <matsaman> doesn't matter they all suck at the moment
[01:51] <matsaman> they're all proprietary
[01:51] <Croran> ah
[01:51] <matsaman> well all the popular ones
[01:51] <matsaman> mattermost is free & open source, IIRC
[01:51] <matsaman> but it's not presented as a hosted just-join community
[01:51] <matsaman> it's for local private systems
[01:52] <matsaman> and then there's mumble
[01:52] <Croran> yeah hexchat looks pretty nice. i like that it seems to default to a fixed-width font.
[01:52] <matsaman> which I know less about, but it's free/open
[01:52] <toddc> weechat screen
[01:52] <matsaman> fixed with is very sensible in a text only medium
[01:55] <kevin38> Hey. Is there a way to get the proper host names of a few raspberry pi's that I have on my network using Ubuntu ? nmap returns info: Raspberry Pi Foundation as the hostname. I have set the raspberry pis with proper hostnames.
[01:57] <biscuitbutter[m]> I'm confused. So if I want to keep LTS, then I should never update?
[01:57] <Croran> kevin38: if you set the hostnames, then why do you need to 'get' them? you already know, right?
[01:58] <Croran> kevin38: if you want those hostnames to be usable from other PCs then you need to either set up your own DNS, or put HOSTS files on each of the machines on your LAN
[01:58] <kevin38> I have 20-25 of them. I just want to make sure that they are on and available. So, It helps knowing.. Which hostnames are online at that moment.
[01:59] <Croran> kevin38: ok you might want some network monitoring software. one is Nagios, another is MRTG
[01:59] <Croran> i don't have much experience with either.
[02:01] <oerheks> biscuitbutter[m], not until you got a new LTS release announcement
[02:01] <oerheks> and !hwe
[02:01] <kevin38> Croran Thanks !
[02:01] <oerheks> !hwe
[02:02] <kevin38> I am looking into it right now
[02:04] <Croran> kevin38: you're welcome
[02:09] <biscuitbutter[m]> Unsupported file error
[02:10] <oerheks> must be a non open format, lolz
[02:10] <oerheks> and just spawning a random eeror is not oke, you must share details
[02:14] <biscuitbutter[m]> oerheks: My bad, I figured it out, I will be more specific in the future.
[03:08] <th3g3ntl3man> Hey guys
[03:10] <Croran> Hey.
[03:11] <gnux> hi
[03:11] <Croran> Hey does anyone else have this problem with Nautilus? You switch to thumbnail view, increase the size to maybe 200% and then you scroll down a ways and click an item, and then the view scrolls back up unexpectedly?
[03:12] <Croran> more noticeable when you try to ctrl+select multiples.
[03:47] <gnux> can someone help me compile a kernel
[03:49] <gnux> there is something wrong with the debian/scripts when the kernel is about to be compiled. then it crashes what should i do to compile a kernel successfully
[03:56] <Croran> just me huh?
[04:27] <Ali-Karam> hello, how do I configure oidentd? I'm using my mobile's hotspot
[04:33] <guiverc> gnux, you've provided no OS & specifics (what release/product etc), but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel maybe helpful  (assuming normal *deb* based Ubuntu system)
[04:33] <gnux> ubuntu focal
[04:36] <Ali-Karam> ubuntu 21.04
[04:37] <gnux> 20.04
[05:43] <Croran> yeah Quassel is pretty bad.
[05:44] <Croran> no dark theme, and even manual color adjustment is buggy.
[05:44] <Croran> and even when it works, you can't change the color of the chat server list and user list.
[05:44] <Croran> and some bots apparently use a subscript text and quassel cuts it off with the next line.
[06:11] <Nitrousoxide> Croran: check your PMs
[06:28] <Croran> okay you're right it's not bad if you do a bunch of extra stuff
[06:29] <Croran> https://imgur.com/a/YCutb3W
[06:29] <Croran> ty nos
[06:31] <questiontux> hi, a long time opensuse user here, looking at kubuntu
[06:31] <questiontux> and i have questions regarding snaps
[06:32] <questiontux> what are their advantages compared to flatpaks
[06:32] <Croran> Why don't you like OpenSUSE? I thought it was like, the premiere distro for KDE.
[06:32] <questiontux> and is there more software available for snaps?
[06:32] <Croran> last time i tried installing some additional snaps, they were pretty much all broken, and most of the maintainers don't really maintain them.
[06:32] <Guest83> does any1 know how to install wordpress on this root document /var/www/html/john?
[06:33] <questiontux> Croran, I am more of a stable release conservative user, and I have a couple of issues: tumbleweed is getting promoted more and more, and i posted some bugs for Leap on bugzilla, and they're not addressed
[06:33] <Croran> Guest83: that's a super vague question and I'd suggest wordpress support is beyond the scope of #ubuntu.
[06:33] <questiontux> I appreciate the compatibility of enterprise linux and opensuse leap
[06:33] <questiontux> but it seems they release it and leave it be
[06:34] <questiontux> which leaves you with a year of issues
[06:34] <Croran> ah interesting
[06:34] <questiontux> I feel all the attention goes to tumbleweed
[06:34] <questiontux> (though it may be my subjective feeling, i admit)
[06:34] <Guest83> Croran ok
[06:34] <questiontux> the distro does feel quite premiere and really professional
[06:35] <questiontux> but according to opensuse stats, more and more users are on tumbleweed with regular releases being left more and more for servers
[06:35] <questiontux> and i don't feel like installing a gig of updates every two days
[06:35] <questiontux> even if i have a chance of rolling back
[06:36] <Croran> makes sense. well last time i tried kubuntu it was pretty buggy. admittedly that was like 10 years ago.
[06:36] <Croran> but everyone said ubuntu wasn't the best distro for kde
[06:37] <Croran> personally, I'm a Unity user and still happy with that
[06:38] <Croran> I gave GNOME a fair shot when i upgraded to 20.04, but too many things about it sucked.
[06:43] <questiontux> oh croran, that's good to know :D
[06:43] <questiontux> then it seems i'm better off with opensuse :)
[06:44] <Croran> tell me what you don't like about KDE. if anything.
[06:44] <questiontux> i love kde
[06:44] <questiontux> what's not to like :D
[06:45] <Croran> does it still have the default setup with the terrible 'start menu' and you have to replace it with a third-party one to get basic stuff like a text search to find applications?
[06:45] <Croran> does it still have 'plasmoids'?
[06:45] <Nitrousoxide> Croran: No problem man
[06:45] <questiontux> as for plasmoids, i don't know what you think
[06:45] <questiontux> but as search in the start menu - works perfectly for me
[06:46] <Croran> good. i remember when there was no search unless you customized the menu.
[06:46] <questiontux> don't remember that (may be too long back)
[06:46] <questiontux> i was a gnome user for couple of years
[06:46] <questiontux> tried kde at the end of the 4.x series
[06:46] <Croran> well may have been a kubuntu-specific issue too
[06:46] <questiontux> and got hooked
[06:46] <questiontux> i setup everything i like
[06:47] <questiontux> and just roll, but every little thing is customizable
[06:47] <Croran> oh yeah. see i was on it for 3.x and it was maybe the best premium DE at that time
[06:47] <Croran> and then 4.x came and it was completely terrible
[06:47] <Croran> for the first... 3 or 4 minor revisions
[06:49] <questiontux> how's unity these days
[06:50] <questiontux> it was quite nice back then
[07:31] <McE> hi.., why does "iwlist wlan0 scan |grep -i ssid " is printing only half the line.., until the first space..., and then cuts the find into two lines.., how do i manage to have output in a single line ?
[07:32] <McE>  cuts the matchinto into two lines.., how do i manage to have output in a single line ?
[07:48] <docmax> anyone sucessfully installed ubuntu on an iscsi target? i have troubles.
[07:53] <McE> hi..,  how do i cause "iwlist wlan0 scan |grep -i ssid " to print an ssid with a whitespace in it on a single line, instead of printing it in two lines ?
[07:57] <grtestuser> test
[07:58] <grtestuser> which tool 4 repair the bootloader?
[07:58] <grtestuser> a grub
[07:59] <alkisg> McE: example output?
[07:59] <alkisg> Do you mean that you get multiple ssids and you only want the first one?
[08:04] <grtestuser> not available, example output
[08:05] <EriC^^> grtestuser: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[08:05] <grtestuser> no internet available
[08:06] <grtestuser> but - i'll look it up in an i@offee
[08:08] <McE> alkisg, no .
[08:08] <McE> hi..,  how do i cause "iwlist wlan0 scan |grep -i ssid " to print an ssid on a single line
[08:08] <McE> alkisg,
[08:09] <McE> the ssid, has whitespaces in it...
[08:09] <McE> empty spaces..
[08:10] <McE> like SSID: "My Wlan No. 2"
[08:10] <McE> like 4 words...
[08:11] <McE> here is would print the words in different lines
[08:15] <alkisg> McE: that doesn't make sense, can you upload the whole output of your `iwlist wlan0 scan`?
[08:16] <alkisg> Like: iwlist wlan0 scan | nc termbin.com 9999
[08:17] <McE> alkisg, sorry i am on a windows pc , right now.., but maybe later on...
[08:17] <alkisg> OK. In general, "grep" doesn't produce more lines
[08:17] <alkisg> So you're mis-reporting something; the whole output would be needed to see what
[09:23] <Endo22> hi
[09:25] <Endo22> was wondering if any one can help me in this regard. using ubntu 20.04 LTS. I am unable to see USB option when trying to upload or download anything from USB online. But USB is accessible from file manager.
[09:34] <yxhuvud> So hmm. Given a custom kernel, how do I get a `perf` with support for libunwind nowadays? kernel was installed from kernel-ppa, but that doesn't have the tools-deb so I had to build perf by myself, which worked, except for the libunwind stuff :(
[09:40] <yxhuvud> I found some old answers (~2014), but those only had fixes that were already merged upstream and present in the current code
[11:02] <wonko[m]> Wine/proton game stability (in some games) has degraded going from 20.04 to 21.04 (Ubuntu Studio). Are there any known issues regarding this? I've so far been unable to figure out what the issue is. For example BL2 went from being rock solid to randomly freezing. There was also a hardware change in there as well but I'm sceptical of that being a cause.
[11:14] <SysGhost> Could be your wine config is set to try native libs first, then the builtin ones. When you updated some of the libs went missing, so wine had to go for the builtin ones which could be less stable/have issues.
[11:15] <SysGhost> It's just my guess though.
[11:30] <Ali-Karam> hello again, how do I configure oidentd? I'm using my mobile's hotspot .. trying to get rid of the ~ in front of my username on irc by having an Ident reply to the irc server.
[11:31] <Ali-Karam>  https://bpa.st/SVJQ these are my /etc/oidentd.conf & ~/.oidentd.conf
[12:41] <Sadistic_Dyke_Ne> Hi
[12:42] <UED> Hello
[12:42] <Sadistic_Dyke_Ne> Need Help with Realtek RTL8822BE
[12:43] <UED> Does someone know, if Ubuntu mounts automically NTFS HDDs, when running it from a DVD? I would like not to have them mounted.
[12:44] <Sadistic_Dyke_Ne> no it doesn't do that automatically @UED
[12:44] <cbreak> if they were mounted, you could unmount them again?
[12:45] <UED> Nice, thanks for the quick reply!
[12:45] <Sadistic_Dyke_Ne> @cbreak of couse through GUI
[12:45] <Sadistic_Dyke_Ne> @UED u're welcome
[12:45] <Sadistic_Dyke_Ne> @cbreak nautilus
[12:45] <cbreak> I was more thinking about sudo umount /whereever
[12:45] <cbreak> but sure, that probably also works
[12:47] <tuxinator> Dear Ubuntu Users, i am looking for a list of the default UserGroups in Ubuntu and their permissions/meaning, could not find any Documentation.
[12:49] <hightower4> Hey where can I find a repo of all ubuntu releases and binary packages? On http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ there is only some selection, not older than xenial or so...
[12:50] <UED> Hmm, is there a overview/list of preinstalled programs for the current release?
[13:22] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:34] <bryan_> :)
[13:59] <Ali-Karam> hello, how do I configure oidentd? I'm using my mobile's hotspot .. trying to get rid of the ~ in front of my username on irc by having an Ident reply to the irc server. https://bpa.st/SVJQ these are my /etc/oidentd.conf & ~/.oidentd.conf
[14:10] <rapid16> Is Unity2d/3d specifically game programming API?
[14:27] <leftyfb> Ali-Karam: try this in /etc/default/oidentd  https://termbin.com/ixro
[14:29] <Ali-Karam> leftyfb, I have the same just OIDENT_OPTIONS="-mf -l 10"
[14:31] <ogra> :q
[14:40] <gaoc> hello
[14:40] <gaoc> hello
[14:56] <digup> Hello guys, I have ran into problem when trying to install Virtualbox-6.1 through "apt"
[14:56] <digup> then upon uninstalling I get error messages too
[14:56] <digup> here's a log
[14:57] <digup> https://pastebin.com/YtDtui2W
[14:59] <BluesKaj> autoremove?
[15:00] <digup> that gives me error
[15:00] <digup> the log is in the pastebin
[15:00] <digup> it's just combined both
[15:01] <BluesKaj> use apt remove virtualbox
[15:01] <BluesKaj> not autoremove
[15:09] <alkisg> digup: frequently, virtualbox isn't compatible with the -hwe kernels (5.11), but it's always compatible with the -ga kernels (5.4)
[15:09] <alkisg> Either install the generic kernel, or apt purge virtualbox-dkms
[15:17] <docmax> how can i add support for iscsi to ubuntu?
[15:19] <leftyfb> docmax: how far have you got? What issues have you run into?
[15:19] <docmax> i installed ubuntu 21 to an image
[15:20] <docmax> i exported the image as iscsi target
[15:20] <docmax> i sanboot into that target... it boots but drops me into initramfs
[15:20] <docmax> so i guess i have to add iscsi support to initramfs?
[15:21] <docmax> i though netroot= kernel parameter would be sufficient
[15:21] <docmax> how has the image to be modified to run?
[15:22] <ogra> docmax, how about https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/installation-iscsi/11321
[15:23] <cornfeedhobo> hello and good day. I need some help. I have a newly installed stock ubuntu 20 workstation with no built in gpu and a nvidia card. Everything was working smoothly with the stock gonme. After running `apt install kde-full`, setting sddm when prompted, and rebooting, the gpu seems to not be being used after grub finishes
[15:23] <docmax> yeah, THIS is not working as described!!! i boot without disks... and ubuntu says the is no space to install ubuntu
[15:23] <leftyfb> !yy.mm | cornfeedhobo
[15:24] <docmax> no option to load a iscsi target
[15:25] <cornfeedhobo> leftyfb: 20.04.2
[15:27] <cornfeedhobo> aaanyways, since i'm pretty sure that's irrelevant, I've chrooted back into the system and looking around. but I'm not seeing something obvious. so my question is; is there some steps that I'm missing when switching from the stock wayland/gnome setup to x11/plasma?
[15:36] <Kon> cornfeedhobo: Try installing kubuntu-desktop and see if you get anything that wasn't in the kde-full metapackage
[15:52] <cornfeedhobo> hmm that's a good idea. let me check that out.
[15:53] <cornfeedhobo> from what i can tell, sddm was starting, but there is some config that didn't pick up the nvidia card, but i don't know what that would be
[15:56] <cornfeedhobo> oh, am i mistaken? I thought ubuntu switched to wayland for 20.x
[15:56] <cornfeedhobo> so the stock gnome is x11 too?
[16:09] <cornfeedhobo> well, i can ssh in, but still no display
[16:16] <cornfeedhobo> switching to another pty activates the card again.
[16:16] <cornfeedhobo> x11 has a nvidia config as expected
[16:39] <rootkea> Hello!
[16:39] <rootkea> I updated my Ubuntu 20.04 in the afternoon and now VLC doesn't show video. I can hear audio playing. In terminal I get "hardware accelerator failed to decode picture" error message multiple times.
[16:39] <rootkea> Here is the complete log: https://pastebin.com/raw/93tiub2c
[16:40] <rootkea> I purged and installed vlc again but still no video output.
[16:41] <lotuspsychje> rootkea: pastebin; sudo lshw -C video please?
[16:42] <rootkea> lotuspsychje: `-C` doesn't seem to be a correct flag. It shows help instead.
[16:43] <rootkea> Oops
[16:43] <SnoopJ> it's an alias for -class, if your lshw has that
[16:43] <rootkea> Got it. Wait a moment.
[16:44] <rootkea> Here is `lshw -C video` o/p: https://pastebin.com/raw/JmT4sRtw
[16:44] <lotuspsychje> rootkea: ok tnx, seems like your graphics driver is good
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> rootkea: maybe share your dmesg in a paste, so volunteers can take a closer look?
[16:52] <rootkea> lotuspsychje: Here's `sudo dmesg` o/p: https://pastebin.com/raw/6tEePXi4
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> rootkea: you got the same issue on other players like smplayer, or whatever default on your DE?
[16:55] <leftyfb> rootkea: try booting into the previous kernel
[16:56] <rootkea> leftyfb: Sure. Let me reboot the system.
[16:57] <lotuspsychje> a few of these repeat in his dmesg EDAC amd64: ECC disabled in the BIOS or no ECC capability, module will not load
[17:01] <rootkea> leftyfb: Oh I forgot to mention. I don't see GRUB menu at all. After vendor's logo Ubuntu boots directly. So where can I select the previous kernel?
[17:02] <leftyfb> rootkea: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode
[17:02] <leftyfb> rootkea: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/07/key-to-show-grub-menu-ubuntu
[17:04] <rootkea> Thanks! Let me try Escape key.
[17:05] <leftyfb> rootkea: I'm pretty sure the shift key is the one
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> some cases grub doesnt trigger, might need a manual edit
[17:19] <Guest58> anyone know how to run wordpress at the root document /var/www/html/john?
[17:20] <leftyfb> Guest58: that is a really loaded question. You are probably asking about an #apache config
[17:21] <Guest58> like i want to install it on my root document
[17:21] <mneptok> what httpd are you using?
[17:22] <rootkea> leftyfb: I tried both `Escape` and Shift keys but still didn't see GRUB menu. :(
[17:22] <rootkea> I have 5.4.0-77 and 5.4.0-80 kernel images installed. I just don't know how to select 5.4.0-77 (previous one)
[17:22] <Guest58> apache2
[17:23] <leftyfb> Guest58: this is what you want https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-apache-virtual-hosts-on-ubuntu-18-04-quickstart
[17:23] <mneptok> Guest58: grep -i 'DocumentRoot' /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf
[17:24] <leftyfb> mneptok: that is very wrong
[17:24] <leftyfb> mneptok: this is an #ubuntu support channel
[17:27] <Guest58> @leftyfb i want wordpress to be installed on my root document
[17:28] <rootkea> Editing the `/etc/default/grub` now. Hopefully, on reboot I'll see the grub menu. 🤞
[17:28] <leftyfb> Guest58: why do you want to do it that way as opposed to a virtualhost?
[17:29] <mneptok> leftyfb: i'm aware of this channel's purpose.
[17:29] <leftyfb> Guest58: btw, DocumentRoot for a virtualhost is wherever you want it
[17:30] <Guest58> because i  want to access and install the wordpress website
[17:30] <Guest58> ok
[17:31] <leftyfb> Guest58: ok, so you don't actually have a reason to install it to /var/www/html/john. You should setup a virtualhost for a user called "john" who's home is in /home/john/ and maybe the DocumentRoot can be /home/john/WWW/. Follow the link I posted above
[17:34] <Guest58> ok
[17:39] <rootkea> Okay.  I set `GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=menu` and `GRUB_TIMEOUT=10` but still no grub menu on boot.
[17:39] <rootkea> I'll see if I can reproduce this when I shift to Debian next week.
[17:39] <rootkea> Thanks for the help though. :)
[17:41] <EriC^^> rootkea: did you try the record variable?
[17:44] <EriC^^> GRUB_RECORDFAIL_TIMEOUT=$GRUB_TIMEOUT
[17:48] <rootkea> Oops! I had forgotten to `$ sudo update-grub` after updating `/etc/default/grub`
[17:48] <rootkea> After doing update-grub now I see the grub menu. :)
[17:48] <rootkea> I can report that the "no video on VLC" issue remains as it is on 5.4.0-77 too. Now let me boot into recovery entries of both the kernels to see if it makes any difference.
[17:49] <rootkea> EriC^^: Didn't have to. :)
[17:49] <EriC^^> ah good :)
[18:00] <rootkea> I don't know what's wrong with vlc but smplayer, GNOME videos play the same video without any issue.
[18:04] <rootkea> lotuspsychje: ^
[18:48] <lotuspsychje> rootkea: ok great, so we could assume thats a vlc fault
[18:49] <coconut> that's weird if you look at it's reputation of vlc
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> coconut: not sure yet, but could be something like bug #1936844 for example
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> rootkea: lets try something else, create a new second user and go test vlc there please?
[18:55] <audiocat> which iso should i download for an ubuntu server?
[18:56] <[itchyjunk]> Dumb question, real quick. it says `21 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.` do i just `sudo apt upgrade` and it will do it all for me?
[18:56] <lotuspsychje> rootkea: this could be interesting too, bug #1917432
[18:58] <sarnold> audiocat: there's some options on https://ubuntu.com/download/server that might help you decide which download to use
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | [itchyjunk]
[18:58] <SnoopJ> in other words, yes
[18:58] <[itchyjunk]> lotuspsychje, and okay i'll do the upgrade part too
[19:07] <evert_> do you want one ?
[19:08] <evert_> whoops sorry
[19:11] <rootkea> lotuspsychje: I created fresh user. Experienced the same VLC issue with exact same error message printed on terminal.
[19:11] <lotuspsychje> tnx for testing that rootkea
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> rootkea: check that previous bug #1917432 see if your symptons are the same?
[19:14] <rootkea> lotuspsychje: Nope, I see only one progress bar. Everything is usual. Audio, window everything. Just that there's no video. Blank screen.
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> rootkea: you hear audio playing?
[19:15] <rootkea> Yes. I think I mentioned that in my very first message too. :)
[19:18] <lotuspsychje> rootkea: well you got a lot of similar details as the bug above, maybe fill in a new comment on this bug with your story
[19:19] <lotuspsychje> rootkea: or create a new, also possible; ubuntu-bug vlc
[19:35] <rootkea> lotuspsychje: Done. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc/+bug/1939447
[19:36] <lotuspsychje> thank you for your report rootkea
[19:38] <ioria> rootkea, have you tried to disable Hardware acceleration in vlc ?
[19:38] <coconut> audiocat, normally you just want the latest LTS
[19:40] <coconut> audiocat, https://releases.ubuntu.com/20.04/ubuntu-20.04.2-live-server-amd64.iso.torrent
[19:40] <coconut> or
[19:40] <coconut> https://releases.ubuntu.com/20.04/ubuntu-20.04.2-live-server-amd64.iso
[19:42] <lotuspsychje> rootkea: also add to the bug you tested a new user, tnx
[19:43] <rootkea> ioria: Since the issue is with hardware accelerator ("hardware accelerator failed to decode picture") disabling hardware acceleration does show the video.
[19:43] <rootkea> But I would like to use the hardware acceleration. The way it was already being used till today's afternoon when I upgraded the packages.
[19:44] <ioria> rootkea, what packages ?
[19:45] <rootkea> I don't remember exactly. Is there any way to see the history of `apt upgrade`?
[19:45] <lotuspsychje> dpkg logs
[19:45] <ioria> 7var/log/apt/history.log rootkea
[19:45] <rootkea> Thanks! Let me check.
[19:53] <rootkea> lotuspsychje: Here are the packages that I upgraded and then I stared to experience this vlc issue: https://pastebin.com/raw/Apevt42K
[19:53] <rootkea> I see `mesa` driver packages there which are a probable culprits.
[19:53] <lotuspsychje> yeah that could well be rootkea
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> something for the devs to workout, above my knowledge rootkea
[19:54] <lotuspsychje> rootkea: at least you been able to rule out a lot of things right
[19:55] <rootkea> lotuspsychje: Sure. How can I rollback these mesa driver packages? That is, to install previous versions
[19:56] <rootkea> That will surely help zeroing on the exact package.
[19:56] <lotuspsychje> well downgrading packages is not how ubuntu works exactly
[19:57] <lotuspsychje> could be interesting to browse recent mesa bugs then
[20:01] <rootkea> There are two versions 20.0.4-2ubuntu1 and 21.0.3-0ubuntu0.2~20.04.1 (currently installed) available for these 3 driver packages.
[20:01] <rootkea> I think I need to install 20.0.4-2ubuntu1 and purge 21.0.3-0ubuntu0.2~20.04.1 ones.
[20:06] <tomreyn> you could also try 21.0.3-0ubuntu0.3~20.04.1 from focal-proposed
[20:06] <tomreyn> (or read up on the bug tracker first)
[20:14] <rootkea> tomreyn: I would like to stay away from `proposed`. Testing packages may carry new bugs. Instead I'm thinking of reverting to the previous version which was working correctly.
[20:16] <tomreyn> rootkea: fine with me, i just wanted to provide more options.
[20:17] <rootkea> Sure. Thanks or the suggestion. :)
[20:38] <ash_worksi> why doesn't `sudo login ash_m PS1='login1# '` not set the prompt after I log in?
[20:46] <rootkea> So downgrading `mesa-vdpau-drivers` fixed the issue!
[20:47] <ogra> you should then report that with "ubuntu-bug mesa-vdpau-drivers" 😉
[20:47] <ogra> so devs know it needs fixing
[20:57] <rootkea> ogra: Done. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/+bug/1939455
[21:01] <ogra> 👍
[21:27] <roltux> hi
[22:36] <JumpinJimmy> Can anyone help me? I'm having trouble getting Ubuntu to load from DVD.
[22:36] <sarnold> an actual dvd?
[22:37] <JumpinJimmy> yes, burned DVD
[22:37] <JumpinJimmy> DVD is properly burned, but on restart, it says it cannot boot from this device.
[22:37] <JumpinJimmy> i've gone through this link, but still having no luck  https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/try-ubuntu-before-you-install#2-boot-from-dvd
[22:37] <oerheks> UEFI bios ?
[22:37] <JumpinJimmy> also tried this one. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootFromCD?_ga=2.135387569.1211454995.1628632146-289697072.1628632146
[22:38] <JumpinJimmy> UEFI is set to allow it to boot, BIOS is set for legacy.  I feel like i'm missing something simple
[22:39] <oerheks> secureboot should be oke, just make sure fastboot is disabled
[22:39] <coryc257> secure boot shenanigans?
[22:39] <oerheks> !uefi
[22:39] <JumpinJimmy> it will let me manually crawl through the directories on the CD to find the boot file, but won't boot.
[22:41] <JumpinJimmy> secure boot automatically disables when enabling Legacy mode
[22:41] <JumpinJimmy> ubottu, are you suggesting i can't Live CD and that it must be installed?
[22:41] <jjavaholic> what is the appropriate steps to get fan speed to adjust to CPU/GPU load?
[22:43] <tomreyn> JumpinJimmy: ubottu  is actually a bot, a script. ;-) and no, it's not suggesting that - it would be nonsense, since the DVD is both live system and installer.
[22:43] <jjavaholic> using 4.13.0-36-generic
[22:43] <coryc257> are you using an hp laptop by chance?
[22:43] <tomreyn> JumpinJimmy: maybe what you should try is to add some variety. do you have a usb stick you could write th einstaller to?
[22:43] <JumpinJimmy> coryc257, yes i am.
[22:44] <sarnold> jjavaholic: normally the fans just run as needed, I've never needed to do anything to get them to speed up or slow down as necessary
[22:44] <coryc257> JumpinJimmy, it's fastboot or optane messing things up I'm almost certain.
[22:44] <coryc257> I have a spectre and it's terrible to work with
[22:44] <JumpinJimmy> coryc257 ok, i'll double check.
[22:45] <coryc257> anyone know if ubuntu does the shimloaded grub like fedora/redhat does?
[22:45] <JumpinJimmy> tomreyn, why would changing the media affect how the OS functions? If it was an issue that it can't be ready at all, but i can parse through the disc and can see what's written on it.
[22:45] <sarnold> coryc257: yes https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shim https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shim-signed
[22:46] <tomreyn> JumpinJimmy: the contents of the file system on the dvd may be fine, but this doesn't tell us whether it's bootable, or whether you system can actually boot off dvds
[22:47] <oerheks> fan speed to adjust to CPU/GPU load? .. there is no such thing to set; it already is done by the chipset
[22:47] <coryc257> tomreyn, preventing bootable dvds sound like something hp would do
[22:47] <tomreyn> JumpinJimmy: there could be a couple reasons why it would work with other boot media but not the dvd. but indeed this doesn't need to be helping, there can be several other reasons why it's not booting, too.
[22:48] <tomreyn> JumpinJimmy: so my suggestion was just about 'trying something else' really.
[22:49] <tomreyn> just because it can sometimes be faster than getting to the bottom of it
[22:49] <JumpinJimmy> ok. I'll try to find a USB stick, and try it there.
[22:49] <JumpinJimmy> if it does boot normally, what does that mean for my laptop?
[22:49] <tomreyn> we wont know
[22:50] <oerheks> check for bios updates
[22:50] <JumpinJimmy> does that mean I can't use ANY live CDs, but can use USB sticks? or is this something specific to Ubuntu?
[22:52] <oerheks> again, we cannot tell, test the dvd on an other machine, or other distro,...
[22:52] <JumpinJimmy> ok.  I can try that too.
[22:56] <jjavaholic> I might have misunderstood what ACPI=forced does
[23:32] <Billy> so somebody gave me one of those ASUS EEE PC NETBOOKS for free, and I bought a charger for 8 dollars - it holds a charge and works etc
[23:32] <Billy> i wanna set it up so my mom can use it to watch amazon prime in the kitchen
[23:33] <Billy> its 32 bit only - should I try running ubuntu on it?
[23:33] <LjL> if it's one of the original EeePCs like the 700 or 901 i doubt it can decode amazon prime videos at realtime speed
[23:33] <tomreyn> not if you want to use it online
[23:33] <Billy> its not that one
[23:33] <Billy> i'll tell you uh hold on
[23:34] <Billy> 1025C
[23:35] <Billy> I used to have one before, a long time ago - and i remember watching youtube and stuff on it
[23:35] <Billy> idk if it was this model though
[23:35] <Billy> but this is the EEE PC 1025C
[23:35] <LjL> Billy, that one seems to feature a H.264 codec so you might have luck, i dunno
[23:36] <Billy> what should i even put on it though
[23:36] <Billy> i was trying to consider an OS
[23:36] <LjL> i don't know, not GNOME or KDE
[23:36] <Billy> a distro i mean
[23:36] <oerheks> maybe a 18.04 iso..
[23:36] <LjL> i'd default to Debian but that might just be because i default to Debian
[23:37] <Billy> I personally default to slackware but i alreayd have a good slacktop setup
[23:38] <Billy> anyway thanks
[23:38] <oerheks> put android on it?
[23:38] <sarnold> is lubuntu 18.04 still supported? that might be a good starting point for an older machine
[23:38] <Billy> lubuntu was on the table too
[23:38] <Billy> in my mind
[23:39] <oerheks> lubuntu gives 3 year support?
[23:39] <oerheks> not 5 like ubuntu/gnome
[23:41] <sarnold> but if you never do anything other than firefox to get to amazon prime video it might be okay
[23:41] <sarnold> I'm not really a desktop person so I don't know what exactly you'd be missing out on
[23:41] <Billy> like i said it was given to me
[23:41] <Billy> and i want to set it up for my mom to watch amazon prime on when shes in the kitchen lol
[23:42] <oerheks> good luck!
[23:44] <tomreyn> https://news.itsfoss.com/netflix-issue-32-bit-linux/
[23:44] <tomreyn> amazon also depends on widevine
[23:45] <tomreyn> * amazon prime
[23:50] <LjL> wow, if that goes for 32bit ARM too, my Kodi box is also going to stop working


[12:16] <SteveA> the launchpad bugtracker will indeed silently ignore bug reports from non-registered users
[12:17] <SteveA> unfo: what do you suggest we do instead?
[12:21] <unfo> SteveA: 1. i mean this wiki: wiki.launchpad.canonical.com
[12:22] <unfo> SteveA: 2. wouldn't it be better to tell them their mail was ignored, and to please register?  or to automatically offer to them to register?
[12:24] <SteveA> unfo: 2: I commented in the bug.  basically, we need to be careful here because almost all spam has a forged "from" address
[12:24] <unfo> SteveA: there are feature requests filed for the auto register offer idea: https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/50653 (for bugs) and https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/96595 (for comments)
[12:24] <ubotu> Malone bug 50653 in malone "Malone should support craigslist-style anonymous bug reporting" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[12:24] <SteveA> and we dont' want to be sending "hi, you tried to mail launchpad, but we haven't heard of your address" to people
[12:24] <SteveA> who haven't really mailed us
[12:25] <SteveA> on 1: that's an obsolete wiki, and I really should get it entirely removed
[12:25] <SteveA> but, as to the larger issue, yes there is a bunch of at least somewhat confidential stuff on the current launchpad development wiki
[12:25] <unfo> SteveA: on 1: ah.  i saw a link to it on some spec.
[12:26] <SteveA> there are some of our specs that should stay private for now
[12:26] <SteveA> and some that should be public
[12:26] <SteveA> we have a plan to change this -- and make the public ones public
[12:26] <SteveA> but that needs to wait until a chap called Jonathan starts work next month
[12:26] <SteveA> as he'll be working on the specs system, that is blueprints.launchpad.net, and will add a feature
[12:27] <SteveA> where the text to specs may be managed within launchpad itself
[12:27] <unfo> SteveA: on 2: i wonder what bugzilla and other web apps that parse emails do when they get emails from random people.
[12:27] <SteveA> rather than on an external wiki
[12:27] <SteveA> and so we'll be able to do that for our specs, and mark some public and some private
[12:27] <SteveA> unfo: if you're interested, find out and add the info in comments to the bug
[12:29] <unfo> SteveA: from what I have seen, the debian bug tracking system replies to all emails I send it.  It has no concept of account registration.
[12:29] <SteveA> I don't think that's necessarily a good thing though
[12:30] <unfo> maybe it has some spamassassin filter that looks at emails first or something
[12:30] <unfo> i dunno.
[12:37] <LaserJock> unfo: there's a lot of spam on Debian BTS too
[12:38] <unfo> LaserJock: dunno.  I hardly ever see any; maybe it's already been marked as spam by someone else already though.
[02:23] <MerlinsLair> anyone here from Alabama?
[02:24] <MerlinsLair> guess I'll try again later
[02:48] <ryanakca> any way to rename https://launchpad.net/kcypher/ to https://launchpad.net/kcipher/ ?
[05:14] <shiris2> guys how can one be approved for launchpad beta?
[05:15] <RAOF> shiris2: You can't, 'cause it's gone public :)
[05:15] <shiris2> hi ROAF: it is shirish here
[05:16] <shiris2> RAOF: I have already applied for it
[05:16] <LaserJock> shiris2: Beta is now public, no need to sign up
[05:17] <shiris2> LaserJock: if its public then why cannot I access it?
[05:17] <LaserJock> you are
[05:17] <LaserJock> *everybody* is using Beta now
[05:18] <shiris2> Restricted Launchpad test site        This site is accessible by launchpad admins and members of the         Launchpad Beta Testers        team only.              You may use the main Launchpad site       instead.               You can log out.
[05:18] <LaserJock> don't you beta.launchpad
[05:18] <LaserJock> it's just launchpad
[05:18] <shiris2> I am saying about http://beta.launchpad.net
[05:18] <LaserJock> what I'm saying is beta.launchpad.net = launchpad.net
[05:18] <shiris2> ah ok
[05:21] <shiris2> LaserJock: RAOF: I have a bug written for apport which can be a blueprint, although do not know if its already there in your minds or not. Actually it should be but still can u guys look at it & give me verdict if somebody already has talked about it or not
[05:22] <shirish> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/102868
[05:22] <Hobbsee> shirish: the beta's getting mroe features added later.  everyone's seeing what was the pre-beta interface now
[05:22] <ubotu> Malone bug 102868 in apport "apport should be mini-ftp client with resuming capabilities" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[05:22] <shirish> hi Hobbsee
[05:22] <Hobbsee> hiya
[05:22] <shirish> as well as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/99989
[05:22] <ubotu> Malone bug 99989 in apport "apport should use another browser if firefox crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[05:24] <shirish> Hobbsee: while you are right, and it does look to have more functionality each day, but for me it feels more like the interface has been simplified for now.
[05:24] <Hobbsee> maybe.  *shrugs*
[05:25] <shirish> what would really be nice if we the users are able to the results of the hardware database put by hwdb-client so we know which or what hardware works out of box for linux or not
[05:27] <shirish> also apport needs to be fortified much more than what is as of today
[05:28] <shirish> I am also looking at the apport.log while it does log what things crashed it still does not log what it did while trying to send if it had any problems or something
[05:28] <shirish> /var/log/apport.log.1
[05:29] <shirish> anybody?
[05:39] <LaserJock> shirish: this really isn't the right channel for that I don't think
[05:39] <LaserJock> and in fact, it's probably better in an email or a spec
[05:40] <shirish> LaserJock: the thing is I want some features added to apport, and do not really know whom to send this in email or how to write a spec.
[05:40] <shirish> LaserJock: I can write what I do want or atleast somethings about what apport should be doing, has somebody written about this before or not
[05:41] <LaserJock> shirish: file a bug
[05:41] <LaserJock> shirish: email pitti
[05:41] <shirish> LaserJock: I have already filed 2 bugs
[05:41] <LaserJock> there you go :-)
[05:41] <shirish> LaserJock: what is pitti full email address, is it<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:42] <Hobbsee> or ubuntu-devel/ubuntu-devel-discuss ML
[05:42] <shirish> LaserJock: the point is nobody has even looked at them, so its just lying there which is a pity
[05:42] <LaserJock> shirish: martin.pitt@
[05:42] <shirish> LaserJock: ok will do, thnx for the heads up
[05:43] <LaserJock> shirish: well, thats the nature of things
[05:43] <LaserJock> people are busy getting Feisty out the door
[05:43] <Hobbsee> shirish: you appear to think that there are hundreds of ubuntu devs, too.  there arent.
[05:43] <shirish> LaserJock: that is totally understandable
[05:43] <Hobbsee> if you want to get involved, you're welcome
[05:44] <shirish> Hobbsee: in some ways its good, as the saying goes too many cooks spoil the broth, we all know what is happening with Vista
[05:45] <shirish> btw what is the link to see the traffic of ubuntu-dev mailing list?
[05:45] <Hobbsee> lists.ubuntu.com
[05:45] <shirish> ok cool thanx Hobbsee :)
[05:45] <Hobbsee> shirish: that's more where there are thousands of developers, yes.
[05:47] <shirish> ok will be hanging here just to see if any interesting discussion happens for improvement to launchpad or something like that, thanx all for your concern LaserJock Hobbsee :)
[05:50] <LaserJock> shirish: np
[06:12] <muntyan> hi guys, how do i get myself removed from launchpad?
[06:12] <muntyan> and a project too
[06:13] <shirish> muntyan: actually wrong place to ask that, as #launchpad would be more appropriate I think
[06:13] <shirish> also I do not know
[06:14] <muntyan> um, #launchpad?
[06:14] <muntyan> is it me or you thinking about wrong channel?
[06:18] <muntyan> mdz, SteveA: around? (you guys are listed as admins at wiki )
[06:19] <muntyan> lifeless, stub: or maybe you guys?
[06:20] <LaserJock> muntyan: I think you can email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:20] <LaserJock> muntyan: or file a RT request.
[06:20] <muntyan> RT?
[06:20] <shirish> oops sorry I thought I was on ubuntu+1
[06:21] <LaserJock> muntyan: Request Ticket
[06:21] <LaserJock> I'm trying to dig up a URL
[06:21] <LaserJock> muntyan: most of the Launchpad admins are away for weekend/holiday
[06:23] <LaserJock> muntyan: hmm, maybe lauchpad-users is better, I think it's rt [at]  canonical.com but I could be totally wrong
[06:23] <muntyan> google found "request tracker" but it seems to be the Request Tracker project, not the request tracker for requests in launchpad
[06:23] <muntyan> um, i am lost :)
[06:24] <muntyan> LaserJock: i guess i'll email those guys directly (web page says it's okay)
[06:24] <LaserJock> request tracker is I think a part of Launchpad
[06:24] <LaserJock> but I'm not sure if it's used for these kinds of things
[06:25] <muntyan> oh, there is "Launchpad" project
[06:25] <stub> here is fine
[06:25] <lifeless> answers.launchpad.net
[06:25] <lifeless> or here
[06:25] <lifeless> but here only after you get someone relevants attention ;)
[06:25] <LaserJock> wahoo, they're ALIVE ;-)
[06:25] <stub> bearly...
[06:26] <lifeless> mmmmm easter indulgence
[06:26] <stub> muntyan: What are you trying to do? You may well have access to do it yourself if you know where to look
[06:26] <muntyan> lifeless: i want to remove my account and remove a project, how do i do it?
[06:27] <muntyan> oops, i don't want to remove account. i want to remove a project
[06:27] <stub> For those, you need to open a support request to confirm you are who you say you are.
[06:27] <stub> Unless the project is empty, in which case I can do it now given there will be no harm
[06:28] <muntyan> i wish there was one single account for all bugbases everywhere
[06:28] <muntyan> stub: yes it's empty
[06:28] <stub> project name or url?
[06:28] <muntyan> https://launchpad.net/medit
[06:29] <stub> Project disabled
[06:29] <bhavi> hello How to open SSH keys?
[06:29] <muntyan> stub: thanks a lot
[06:30] <stub> lifeless: Bars open on Chakri Day since it isn't a Buddhist holiday
[06:30] <lifeless> stub: excellent. Hic.
[06:32] <bhavi> how to register a branch in launchpad? I have interest in developing Linux mobile edition... Kernel simulation is over in my mobile..
[06:33] <bhavi> Hello anyone there?
[06:36] <bhavi> hhhhhheeeeeeeelllllllllllloooooooooooo
[06:38] <LaserJock> hi bhavi
[06:39] <bhavi> hi answer to above questions please..
[06:40] <LaserJock> hmm, so you want to create a new project in Launchpad?
[10:21] <sabdfl> lifeless: ping
[10:22] <sabdfl> rebooting...
[10:26] <ubotu> New bug: #104024 in launchpad "translation filter does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104024
[10:36] <ubotu> New bug: #104027 in malone "cannot go from package overview to package bugs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104027
[11:00] <ubotu> New bug: #104032 in malone "bug search useless" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104032
[12:29] <j^> hi, http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/network-manager/main/changes gives me an internal error
[01:31] <ubotu> New bug: #104070 in launchpad "Lauchpad needs global translation review" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104070
[01:46] <mimilus> plop
[01:47] <mimilus> is there someone which knows ow to know if a bug has already been posted on lunchpad
[01:47] <mimilus> i'm a beginner under linux , i have just switched under ubuntu
[01:48] <mimilus> i think i've found a bug under OOo
[01:50] <mdke> mimilus: you can search at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs
[01:51] <mimilus> ok i'm going to do it
[01:51] <mimilus> thank's
[02:06] <Yannig> Hello everybody :)
[02:06] <Yannig> I have a problem merging two accounts at Launchpad :(
[02:06] <Yannig> https://launchpad.net/token/zXfc0X9CXBf3vB0TXCTj/+accountmerge
[02:06] <Yannig> (time-out)
[02:07] <Yannig> I've tried several times for 4-5 weeks and no way :(
[02:10] <Kmos> Yannig: file a bug against launchpad
[02:11] <Kmos> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug
[02:14] <Yannig> Thanks :)
[02:26] <ubotu> New bug: #104087 in launchpad "http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/network-manager/main/changes  gives me 500 Internal error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104087
[02:26] <ubotu> New bug: #104088 in launchpad "Time-out problem at merging accounts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104088
[02:27] <Yannig> The last one is mine :)
[03:00] <lotko> hi! I have a question: When I'm translating in Launchpad, are the result only visible for Ubuntu Edgy, or will they be transfered to Feisty?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> they're only visible for feisty, i would assume
[03:01] <lotko> and if I'm translating for Edgy, are they moved to Feisty. Or does every new ubuntu version have to be translated from scratch?
[03:07] <lotko> it's ok. i've searched the mailing list (https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/launchpad-users/2006-August/000536.html)
[03:08] <Kmos> it's better you translate in feisty
[03:08] <Kmos> after in edgy you only need to click on suggested translation
[03:08] <Kmos> and compare them
[03:13] <lotko> thanks!
[03:31] <Adri2000> hmm, affects distros/ubuntu/mantis < that doesn't work anymore?
[03:38] <Adri2000> I guess ubuntu/mantis should work
[03:39] <Adri2000> also, does anyone know if the smtp server fiordland.ubuntu.com is open to everyone and is supposed to work?
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #104118 in launchpad "'unexpected form data' error when cancelling joining a team" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/104118
[03:53] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: yes, yes.
[03:53] <Hobbsee> afaik
[04:00] <Adri2000> I see, my FAI blocks the smtp port, fortunately it can be disabled
[05:50] <shirish> pochu: are u there?
[05:51] <pochu> shirish: for a bit
[05:51] <shirish> pochu: did u see I put another file of the same, perhaps you can trace it this time around, it is the exaile bug
[05:52] <shirish> bug #103604
[05:52] <ubotu> Malone bug 103604 in exaile "Exaile crashes while closing from status bar" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103604
[05:52] <pochu> shirish: yeah, I've tried it again, and now apport-retrace tells I have to install the dbgsym, which I can't do because dependency issues (it seems that the dbgsym packages are a little out-of-date)
[05:53] <pochu> shirish: it would be really really easy if you can report it directly to Launchpad with apport
[05:53] <pochu> btw, we shouldn't be speaking here, but in #ubuntu-bugs
[05:53] <shirish> I know its my low-low dsl speed :(
[05:53] <shirish> oops
[05:53] <shirish> we can switch there
[05:54] <shirish> btw I opened this window for something else altogether
[05:54] <pochu> hehe, don't worry ;)
[05:55] <shirish> in launchpad in overview for launchpad instead of the bug symbol I get some other symbol & hovering on that says support-tracker what does it mean?
[05:56] <shirish> any ideas?
[05:56] <shirish> its looks like a paper & pen or something like that
[05:57] <shirish> its paper & question mark
[06:31] <rmjb> Hello
[06:31] <rmjb> how do I make a bug in one package depend on a bug in another package in launchpad? the only options I see are affects distribution or upstream
[06:33] <Adri2000> what do you mean by "depend"?
[06:34] <rmjb> well bug A can only be fixed after bug B
[06:34] <Adri2000> I don't think it's possible
[06:35] <rmjb> hmm... well that's not too good... even bugzilla has that
[06:35] <rmjb> I'll just put a note in the comments then
[06:35] <Adri2000> wait for someone to confirm, but I've never seen that on launchpad
[06:35] <rmjb> ok
[06:37] <Adri2000> it is possible for specs though, eg: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/automated-testing-deployment/+deptree
[07:16] <rmjb> I emailed the launchpad-users list with the question
[08:08] <ryanakca> any chance of renaming https://launchpad.net/kcypher to https://launchpad.net/kcipher ?
[08:08] <ryanakca> (if it's not too much work?)
[08:14] <mc__> hello! what do i have to do so that  a branch gets mirrored?
[08:32] <mc__> how often does the launchpad bzr branch gets updated?
[08:55] <ryanakca> mc__: each time you push to it?
[08:56] <mc__> ryanakca: but how can i push to launchpad? http is read only
[08:57] <ryanakca> what's the name of your branch on launchpad?
[08:58] <mc__> ryanakca: https://code.launchpad.net/~m-otteneder/agfxmbcs/devel
[09:00] <mc__> ryanakca: and now?
[09:02] <ryanakca> bzr push<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:02] <ryanakca> iirc
[09:02] <mc__> ryanakca: and there is no automatical mirroring?
[09:02] <ryanakca> what do you mean?
[09:02] <ryanakca> You either host it on launchpad or you don't...
[09:03] <ryanakca> mirror it from another server, dunno... maybe #bzr...
[09:03] <ryanakca> the mirror is: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~m-otteneder/agfxmbcs/devel
[09:03] <ryanakca> you push to your main branch server...
[09:03] <ryanakca> which'll then get mirrored by bazaar.launchpad.net
[09:04] <ryanakca> but I don't think you can push to bazaar.lp.net if it isn't your main branch server/host...
[09:04] <ryanakca> just a guess.
[09:04] <mc__> ryanakca: i pushed  new revision to my main branch(which isnt bazaar.lp.net) but i dont see it in lp
[09:04] <mc__> ryanakca: how long will it take till it is in lp?
[09:06] <ryanakca> dunno
[09:07] <mc__> ryanakca: alright,thank you
[09:07] <ryanakca> when you push to lp, it usually takes 3-4 minutes
[09:07] <ryanakca> I guess people don't really like to have lp using up their bandwidth and checking that often, so, probably in the next 20 min
[09:13] <mc__> ryanakca: but i cant push to lp
[09:14] <mc__> bzr: ERROR: Connection error: Unable to connect to SSH host bazaar.launchpad.net:None:
[09:16] <mc__> ryanakca: i tried the cmd you gave me
[09:17] <ryanakca> mc__: the address I use is<EMAIL_ADDRESS>... adapt it for your use
[09:18] <mc__> ryanakca: alright,ill try,ty
[09:18] <mc__> ryanakca:  is your lp-id i assume?
[09:18] <ryanakca> yup
[09:26] <mc__> ryanakca: alright,now im a step further,i added my ssh-key. bzr now says bzr: ERROR: File exists: u'/~m-otteneder/agfxmbcs/devel': mkdir failed: unable to mkdir
[09:26] <mc__>  any idea what this could mean?
[12:01] <Amaranth> launchpad is lying to me :/
[12:02] <Amaranth> The little lock for the importance says only the maintainer or bug contact can change it