[08:53] <bekks> Shal: Names are irrelevant, actually.
[08:53] <Shal> thatis why I said /designation
[08:53] <dr_willis> try 'sudo blkid' pastebin thaat
[08:53] <nicolette> dr_willis, I've actually never done that
[08:53] <nicolette> how do I make a new user?
[08:54] <dr_willis> sda1 is a partion   - sda is a 'drive'
[08:54] <dr_willis> nicolette:  sudo adduser billgates              at the console - is whata i normally do
[08:54] <Shal> Of course I am using GPT, who wouldn't if they can help it.
[08:54] <Mig_> the great thing about linux is that i have just about enough knowledge to fix my problems, but not enough to make sure my fixes don't break something else :D
[08:54] <Shal> How do I make | on my keyboard?
[08:55] <dr_willis> I just use the | key ;)  its right there above my \ key
[08:55] <Shal> I used copy paste to put that here
[08:55] <dr_willis> above my enter key
[08:55] <dr_willis> sudo blkid | pastebinit
[08:55] <tozen> Shal: Shift + \ ?
[08:55] <Shal> Ah the print on the key looks like something else, no wonder I couldn't find it
[08:55] <dr_willis> im not sure any of my pcs aree using GPT. ;)
[08:56] <Shal> why not?
[08:56] <dr_willis> but my newest 'pc' is a raspnberry pi
[08:56] <dr_willis> why should i?
[08:56] <dr_willis> other newest pc is a 2 yr old netbook
[08:56] <bekks> Shal: Until a PC only supports GPT, there is basically no reason to use it.
[08:57] <Shal> Because the alternative of primary  and extended partitions and their limitations are a nightmare unless your partition setup is super simple
[08:57] <dr_willis> I really dont have  much need for complex partion layouts either. ;)
[08:57] <dr_willis> it pays to keep things simple.
[08:58] <bekks> Shal: Thats pretty much just untrue. Nowadays one uses LVM, and thus there is no need to mess with extended partitions anymore.
[08:58] <Shal> well there is no real disadvantage of using gpt
[08:58] <bekks> Shal: And, that applies to GPT, too.
[08:58] <Shal> LVM?
[08:58] <bekks> LVM.
[08:58] <Shal> Which stands for?
[08:58] <dr_willis> !lvm
[08:58] <Shal> a raid setup?
[08:58] <bekks> No.
[08:58] <dr_willis> im so old skool - i dont even use lvm or raid. ;) but i do have my linux on its own ahrd drive
[08:58] <bekks> A Logical Volume Manager.
[08:59] <dr_willis> redhat sets up lvm by default in its normal install i seem to recall
[08:59] <Shal> dr_willis, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6109569/
[08:59] <bekks> dr_willis: Yeah, that applies to RHEL6.
[09:00] <Shal> See how it contains no useful information for identifying partitions
[09:00] <bekks> Shal: You dont have enough partitions to use extended partitions ;)
[09:01] <Shal> Its just a temporary setup right now. and there is no reason to NOT use GPT, anyway GPT is what it is, so...
[09:01] <dr_willis> Shal:  you have a whole 2 linux partions..  sda1 and sda2.   and a ntfs on sda4.. you want a linux one.. so mount sda1 and look at whats in it.. same for sda2
[09:02] <Shal> dr_wllis Is there, or is there not a command that will list partitions with their designation along with size and free space?
[09:02] <dr_willis> you gave no label for the partion - so  they got no names.
[09:02] <dr_willis> parted or cfdisk might be able to. i dont see why it matters.
[09:02] <dr_willis> it will take all of 20 sec to mount both partions and look at whats on them
[09:03] <dr_willis> i would imagine that sda1 is the / partion and sda2 is the /home
[09:03] <Shal> for easily identifying the partition without having to go through mounting them one by one. I might only have a few right now, but in the future I could have more, and I want to be able to have that data
[09:04] <dr_willis> then i suggest you start labeling your partions
[09:04] <nicolette> dr_willis, creating a new user accoutn brought back unity, but as soon as  re-installed drivers unity broke again
[09:05] <dr_willis> nicolette:  ;)   so now remove them again and see if billgates is broken? :) if he is. removce all the setting files in his home and see if he works.  this wy you are not goofing around with your main user as a test user.
[09:06] <Rory> nicolette: what drivers? What Ubuntu version? How did it break?
[09:06] <nicolette> I saw a thread with someone with that same graphics chip saying that it was because they installed drivers before Linux headers?
[09:06] <Shal> dr_willis, Labels won't tell me a partitions size and free space
[09:06] <dr_willis> nicolette:  i have only one amd/ati machine. and it uses the open sourced drivers. so other then this basic troublke shooting  i dont know much  more about them
[09:06] <dr_willis> Shal:   i use fdisk -l. if you want to use gpt. then you need to look into the newer partion tools i guess.
[09:06] <Rory> Shal: df -h
[09:07] <Rory> Shal: But that only works for mounted partitions
[09:07] <nicolette> Rory, flgrx on Radeon HD 7970M. Unity reaks after installing drivers
[09:07] <Rory> nicolette: "breaks"
[09:07] <dr_willis> it reaks that it breaks. ;)
[09:08] <nicolette> unity fails to open. I have no window manager but can open terminal through hotkeys.
[09:08] <Rory> nicolette: I need to know your Ubuntu version also
[09:08] <nicolette> 13.04
[09:08] <Shal> dr_willis, Anyway, moving on for the moment, I seem to have mounted it, but where do I find said mounted partition?
[09:08] <dr_willis> nicolette:  if you have jwm installed - you can select it at the Lightdm login screen
[09:08] <dr_willis> Shal:  its at the directory you told it to via the mount command
[09:08] <Rory> nicolette: Can you run the command: "fglrxinfo" and paste the output on http://paste.ubuntu.com please?
[09:09] <Shal> dr_willis, and where is that directory?
[09:09] <dr_willis> mount makes a filesystem APPEAR at a directory  of your designation
[09:09] <dr_willis> Shal:  what command did you use to mount it?
[09:09] <dr_willis> I dont see whats complex about this idea. ;)
[09:09] <dr_willis> mount /dev/sda1   /media/sda1           it SHOWS up at /media/sda1
[09:10] <Benkinooby> hi - i use ubuntu 12.10 and lightdm. when i set lightdm to a custom background still the purplebackground flashes up, before my background is set. how can i set my background from the very first moment i see lightdm?
[09:10] <dr_willis> mount /dev/sda1   /home/billgates/money            it SHOWS up at /home/billgates/money
[09:10] <nicolette> http://pastebin.com/T1H4X4rc
[09:10] <nicolette> Rory
[09:11] <Shal> dr_willis, I used  sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/mydir
[09:11] <dr_willis> Benkinooby:  you can change tghe bg its using in the lightdm configs. or edit the  background image its useing in /usr/share/backgrounds (i think)
[09:11] <dr_willis> Shal:  so look in  /media/mydir
[09:12] <Shal> And where is that?
[09:12] <Shal> I see clutters of icons to partitions on my desktop, but none of them work
[09:12] <dr_willis> Shal:  err... that is the path to the location.    open a shell.. cd /media/mydir
[09:12] <basiclaser> anyone in here tried Lubuntu?
[09:12] <Shal> How do i go there through the DE
[09:12] <Benkinooby> dr_willis: i changed the baground. my problem is, that the default baground is visible for a short moment before the becground i chose is set
[09:12] <dr_willis> Shal:  use the terminal. or type in the path in your file managers address entry field.
[09:13] <dr_willis> Shal:  easier to use the terminal
[09:13] <loredann> Re all
[09:13] <dr_willis> Shal:   or hit  the parent  arrow.button/whatever to you get to  / then look for a 'media'  directory
[09:13] <nicolette> you still there Rory
[09:13] <nicolette> ?
[09:14] <dr_willis> basiclaser:  lubuntu is very popular
[09:14] <Rory> Yes sorry nicolette I missed that before
[09:14] <Mig_> i actually run lubuntu
[09:14] <dr_willis> been using lubuntu on my netbook. and  lxde on my rasppberry pi. ;)
[09:15] <loredann> The system is running in low-graphiccs mode
[09:15] <loredann> Ubuntu 13
[09:15] <Rory> nicolette: Take a look at this link http://askubuntu.com/a/299945
[09:15] <Benkinooby> dr_willis: brb
[09:16] <loredann> Pls help me
[09:16] <Shal> dr_willis,  It's doing something different when I tried the same thing twice, its difficult to explain
[09:16] <Shal> but something isn't right
[09:17] <bekks> Shal: So whats different, and whats "something"? :)
[09:17] <nicolette> Rory, that link only seems to restore default config. will it fix my ATI drivers/
[09:17] <nicolette> ?
[09:17] <dr_willis> you could always reboot so everything gets back to  a sane state. and unmounted. then you could try remounting the partions.  Its possible one or more were auto mounted.. we cant tell what all have been done to the system
[09:17] <Shal> dr_willis, there is the issue of all this clutter of drive listings in my file manager that give me error when I try to click on them.
[09:17] <Rory> nicolette: No, it will put you back to the default open-source drivers, from there we can work on installing fglrx properly
[09:18] <dr_willis> Shal:  the mount command will tell you what is mounted where.
[09:18] <nicolette> well I have a fresh profile I can use
[09:18] <nicolette> let me jump to a new clean profile
[09:18] <Tex_Nick> !details | loredann
[09:18] <dr_willis> Shal:  if you mounted sda1 to /media/mydrive   then   'ls -l /media/mydrive' should show its contents
[09:18] <Alpotr> hey
[09:18] <Alpotr> how can i disable the alt+right click menu?
[09:19] <Shal> dr_willis, I am talking about through the DE, not everyone wants to run things through commands only, or even can
[09:19] <Alpotr> i have twice already closed a window accidentally because of that
[09:19] <Vbitz> what's the channel for 13.10?
[09:19] <Mig_> i'm assuming getting a screen with vertical lines when starting up a game means there's something wrong with my graphics driver? :P
[09:19] <Alpotr> i disabled alt+space menu from settings but can't find where o disable the alt+right click menu
[09:20] <dr_willis> Shal:  im not on a ubuntu box so i dont have the desktop memorised. and commonly support in irc is easier with the terminal.     unless you want to start posting screenshots and videos.
[09:20] <nicolette> brb, gotta switch profiles
[09:20] <bekks> Mig_: Or with the settings of the game, or with the hardware requirements of the game, or or or
[09:20] <Shal> First time I went to media/mydir, it took me to one of those 50gb listings, it showed me a bunch of system files, I was actually able to access one of these. But then suddenly it was giving me the error instead of accessing . So then I renavigated to it, and I found myself in a empty 4gb space, I don't have any partitions of that size
[09:21] <Mig_> bekks, it are pretty low req games and i didn't mess about with any settings
[09:21] <bekks> Shal: Which error?
[09:21] <Rory> Shal: An alarm bell in my head is screaming hard-drive imminent failure
[09:21]  * dr_willis agrees with rory.
[09:21] <Shal> failed to mount "Adding read ACL for uid 999 to `/media/xubuntu' failed: Operation not supported."
[09:22] <bekks> Shal: Did you check wether the disk is going to fail soon and did you run fsck -f while everything is unmounted?
[09:22] <dr_willis> Shal:  you said the drive was at  /media/mydrive
[09:22] <Shal> Rory My HDD has been behaving fine before I tried to acess it through this live, so I really doubt its the physical drive
[09:22] <bekks> Shal: BEhaviour can change. Think of kids.
[09:22] <Rory> Shal: OK but don't say I didn't warn you. I'd recommend a backup at least.
[09:22] <bekks> Shal: Did you check the physical state of the drive?
[09:23] <Shal> dr_willis I told you, I got a bunch of these, and that is the error trying to access one gives me. And when I went to media/mydrive the first time it dumped me into one of these
[09:23] <nicolette> hi Rory, what would you like me to do now?
[09:23] <bekks> Shal: And which error...?
[09:23] <Rory> nicolette: Did it work?
[09:23] <Shal> I just said what error
[09:23] <nicolette> creating a new profile fixes my issue, yes.
[09:23] <Shal> bekks, failed to mount "Adding read ACL for uid 999 to `/media/xubuntu' failed: Operation not supported."
[09:23] <bekks> Shal: Then answer the question I asked please.
[09:23] <nicolette> well it restores open source drivers
[09:24] <Rory> nicolette: Did you follow the instructions in the link I sent you, and have you rebooted since? Are you now looking at a fully functional Unity desktop, using the open source drivers?
[09:25] <Shal> bekks, I have not run some kind of test on the physical drive to confirm what I already know, it's fine. Aside from the error being a that of a mounting failure, and the timing of this being right when I am using a Live, I've experienced HDD failure before and know what it looks like
[09:25] <nicolette> Rory, I created a new profile, it does the same thing,
[09:25] <Shal> what it sounds like
[09:25] <Rory> nicolette: No it doesn't do the same thing.
[09:26] <Rory> nicolette: It's actually even better...  I you dont want to believe it or at least check that, it is your choice. Good luck.
[09:26] <nicolette> I'm on it again, but, I can go back to open source.
[09:26] <bekks> Shal: They can die quietly.
[09:26] <Rory> nicolette: No don't! You wanted Unity working with fglrx and you've got it!
[09:27] <dr_willis> http://askubuntu.com/questions/202560/cant-mount-any-partition-due-to-usb-adding-read-acl-for-uid-1000-to-media-e
[09:27] <nicolette> nah unity broke again once I switched the driver back
[09:27] <occ> i think someone might have been on my computer while i was out just now.... is there any command i can run that will show what programs were launched in the past hour and what time they were launched ?
[09:27] <nicolette> I need to re-do the profile again
[09:27] <Shal> bekks, confirming it will be as simple as going to my regular installed distro, and I got nothing to back up onto except this tiny usb flash drive so if it was failing, nothing I can do about it
[09:27] <dr_willis> Shal:  look there.. it seems you need to make a /media/YOURUSERNAME directgory for the system to auto-mount those partions to - IF you are using the gui
[09:27] <Rory> nicolette: Stay using the open-source driver then?
[09:28] <nicolette> I have to have proprietary drivers for gaming
[09:28] <bekks> Shal: No, you need a live cd/usb.
[09:28] <dr_willis> Shal:  they changed in recent releases where  stuff the user mounts goes to  /media/theusername/diskname
[09:28] <dr_willis> each user has their own directory in  /media/ for their own mounts
[09:29] <Shal> bekks If I load back to my install and access is normal, you don't think that confirms the HDD is fine?
[09:29] <bekks> Shal: No.
[09:29] <Shal> bekks how's that?
[09:29] <bekks> Shal: Because a car _looking_ good maybe totally broken for real.
[09:30] <bekks> Shal: To confirm it, check your drive, and, in addition, run fsck -f for every linux filesystem.
[09:30] <Shal> If the car runs fine, except when you run it over speed bumps and you bounce up and down, then its probably the speed bumps and not the car
[09:30] <bekks> Shal: However. Check your harddrive and check your filesystems. Nohing more to say until you did it.
[09:31] <Shal> bekks, Are you saying that accessing a HDD from a life flash drive is more stressful on it then operating from the OS on said HDD?
[09:31] <bekks> Shal: No. I did say: Check your harddrive and your filesystems.
[09:32]  * dr_willis wonders if anyone saw the answer at -- http://askubuntu.com/questions/202560/cant-mount-any-partition-due-to-usb-adding-read-acl-for-uid-1000-to-media-e
[09:32] <dr_willis> well night all ;) work is  about done for the day
[09:32] <Shal> Can anyone take over for willis in helping me figure this out?
[09:33] <dr_willis> Shal:  read the URL i posted
[09:33] <bekks> Shal: Read his link would be a good start :)
[09:33] <dr_willis> it shows the exact error you ahve been saying....
[09:34] <Shal> Yeah but I need help with what is said there
[09:34] <bekks> Help with what? Checking wether /media exists?
[09:34] <dr_willis> they give the commands to use.
[09:34] <dr_willis> make a directory the same name as your user. make it owned by them..
[09:35] <bekks> Shal: And they explain what they do...
[09:35] <Shal> Well for example "changing user owner and group owner of the directory", won't that screw up my installed distro?
[09:35] <bekks> Shal: Not until you use "-R" ...
[09:36] <Shal> r?
[09:36] <Shal> Whats that do?
[09:36] <bekks> And since there is nothing mounted there, what should be screwed?
[09:36] <bekks> Shal: "-R" is not "r". And -R is an option for chmod/chown. And you are told to not use it.
[09:36] <Shal> and it says to make and mount the directory, but that is exactly what I did. Nor does it explain why I have so many of these broken device listings, or why my mounted partition is empty and 4gb
[09:37] <bekks> Shal: Thats not the intention of that link. It fixes the error message. Not your usage.
[09:37] <bekks> Shal: Please read it completely.
[09:37] <dr_willis> !permissions | shal   Worth bookmarking and reading this url
[09:37] <Shal> I know you said -R, please don't get all semantical on me, I was just referring to what you said
[09:38] <crocket> After installing cinnamon-screensaver on ubuntu 13.04, I can't lock my computer via menu.
[09:38] <crocket> But I can't lock it via Ctrl+AltL.
[09:38] <crocket> But I can't lock it via Ctrl+Alt+L.
[09:38] <crocket> But I can lock it via Ctrl+Alt+L.
[09:38] <nicolette>  whew, I accidentally went into the Debian channel
[09:39] <crocket> Why does ubuntu menu fail to recognize cinnamon-screensaver?
[09:39] <nicolette> Rory, I'm in Unity with open source drivers.
[09:39] <nicolette> what now?
[09:39] <nicolette> I need fglrx working.
[09:39] <Shal> dr_willis, So if I use those commands, minus any r, it will have no effect at all on my installed OS?
[09:39] <dr_willis> Shal:   looked like they were using the exact path to the directory.
[09:40] <dr_willis> if you are booted from a live cd/usb - then  /media/ is on the cd/usbs system.. not your installed system
[09:40] <Shal> So is that a yes or a no?
[09:41] <dr_willis> you are chowning the directory BEFOR you mount anything. so it cant affect whats on the hard drive befor its mounted
[09:41] <nicolette> Rory, are you there?
[09:42] <dr_willis> time to head home. bye all..  maybe back in about an hr.
[09:43] <Shal> dr_willis Also a reply says using 777 is bad advice, why would that be bad advice?
[09:43] <Shal> why could it be bad advice?
[09:44] <bekks> Because 777 means "full access to everyone". You dont want that.
[09:44] <bekks> Please read the link about permissions as he provided it to you.
[09:44] <Shal> I did
[09:44] <wilad007> Does anybody code in python here?
[09:44] <Shal> But there is only so much I understood of it
[09:44] <bekks> Shal: You did not understand it then.
[09:44] <Shal> So?
[09:44] <cfhowlett> !python|wilad007
[09:45] <Shal> I am here for help, not criticism for lack of understanding.
[09:45] <nicolette> Sigh.. this  is such a waste of time.
[09:45] <wilad007> Anyone besides a bot...:-D
[09:45] <bekks> Shal: Well, if you dont want to hear the answer, you get no answer (from me) anymore.
[09:45] <Shal> bekks, bottom line, what are some worse case scenarios with 777?
[09:46] <Shal> bekks, Telling me to read the link I did not understand isn't a matter of not wanting to hear a answer, but not getting one in the first place
[09:46] <wilad007> sounds like a heated conversation
[09:46] <Shal> Is it?
[09:47] <wilad007> Any python guru's want to help a newbie out
[09:47] <Shal> What can happen if you set a directory for 777?
[09:47] <cfhowlett> wilad007, as noted earlier, python types are more prevalent in #python.  Best to seek them in their home turn.
[09:47] <cfhowlett> *turf*
[09:48] <wilad007> Yes I known, but they won't let you post unless you register you nickname which I tried but it failed. Sign.
[09:49] <cfhowlett> wilad007, solve that.  trying to get python guidance in the ubuntu channel is ... questionable.
[09:49] <Shal> cfhowlett, Well might you please help me?
[09:50] <cfhowlett> Shal, 777 is completely over my head.  sorry.
[09:51] <Shal> cfhowlett, At all familiar with access error problems to partitions from live?
[09:53] <bekks> Shal: Dr_Willis gave you the link with the solution to your problems.
[09:54] <Shal> bekks, please help or at least stop sabotaging my efforts to find help
[09:54] <cfhowlett> Shal, I've experienced them only in passing.  hang out for awhile.  no doubt, someone more qualified than I will visit at some point.
[09:54] <bekks> Shal: How much help do you want, in addition?
[09:54] <Shal> You could answer my question for starters
[09:55] <Luyin> Shal: if you did "not understand" a link, ask specific questions about what parts you're having problems with, don't ask us to give you a new explanation or other solution if that's the solution.
[09:56] <Shal> and stop acting like there is a magical link. There is a link that might be related to my issue, first I need to establish instructions safety before trying out. And even after that, it doesn't seem to be quit the same thing and might not fix it
[09:56] <Shal> I did luyin
[09:56] <Luyin> Shal: doesn't look very much like it to me
[09:56] <bekks> Shal: I answered your question about 777.
[09:56] <bekks> So continue now please.
[09:57] <Shal> I will ask my question again. What are the issues with 777, what are the possible negative repercussions?
[09:57] <dr_willis_> on a single user system. not anything.
[09:57] <dr_willis_> use 750 if you want
[09:58] <bekks> (and 750 is mentioned in the article)
[09:58] <Shal> dr_willis_, doesn't mean any compromise with internet safety?
[09:58] <jost> Hi! I've recently gotten a new machine. It works fine with windows, but with Ubuntu I experience random freezes. It is not due to overheating, and I doubt that it is a hardware problem, as windows runs fine. Any idea how to diagnose the problem?
[09:58] <jost> dmesg doesn't reveal anything
[09:58] <dr_willis_> Shal:  if people on the internet are getting to your files. you got bigger issues to begin with
[09:59] <Shal> dr_willis_ I mean it won't open me up to programs installing without permission or anything?
[09:59] <dr_willis_> Shal:  of course not.
[10:00] <Shal> well obvious to you, but clearly not to me
[10:00] <Shal> which is why I asked
[10:00] <Luyin> Shal: 777 means that every user on your machine has every permission set, nothing to do with the internet
[10:00] <Shal> Luyin, Which means the same as being logged in as admin?
[10:01] <dr_willis_> turn off your internet if you are worried
[10:01] <Shal> dr_willis_, I bristle at such sarcastic advice, please don't
[10:01] <dr_willis_> it may be time to read up on some linux permissions
[10:02] <dr_willis_> and its sound advice
[10:02] <Shal> If it's anything like the link you gave me, it's no good. Too much I don't understand in order to comprehend the page in the first place
[10:03] <Luyin> Shal: it means nobody with access to your machine needs to be logged in as root to change/read/execute this file
[10:03] <Shal> dr_willis_, Ok, once you turn off your PC, I will turn off my internet
[10:03] <dr_willis_> making a directory and setting its owner is rather simple in concrpt.
[10:03] <dr_willis_> my pc is off. im on my phone now.
[10:03] <Shal> Yeah which leads me to believe that has nothing to do with my weird problems
[10:04] <Shal> I count your phone as the PC, anyway I was just matching sarcasm for sarcasm
[10:04] <dr_willis_> which weird problem now?
[10:04] <Shal> I described it before
[10:05] <dr_willis_> your acl error seemed identical to the askubuntu answer.  a directory is missing.
[10:05] <Shal> A population of icons giving strange errors. mounted drive that leads to a crowded 50 gb drive one time,(one of those that otherwise errors) and a empty 4gb the next
[10:05] <dr_willis_> make it. make it owned by your user. gui should Work
[10:05] <Shal> GUI as in DE, as in point and click?
[10:05] <dr_willis_> good luck. gotta catch my ride.
[10:06] <Luyin> Shal: yes
[10:06] <Shal> yeah well its buggy as hell, as I mentioned
[10:06] <Luyin> which do you use? unity?
[10:06] <Shal> This is xubuntu 12.10 running live, trying to access drives made under ubuntu 11.10
[10:06] <Shal> a installed ubuntu 11.10
[10:07] <Luyin> show me the link given to you, please
[10:07] <Shal> http://askubuntu.com/questions/202560/cant-mount-any-partition-due-to-usb-adding-read-acl-for-uid-1000-to-media-e
[10:07] <Shal> but that isn't exactly the error message I get
[10:08] <Shal> And the symptoms are beyond just the error message
[10:08] <Luyin> ok since I haven't been there, give me a minute to read tha backlog
[10:10] <Shal> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount and file permissions (dang it, copy paste is acting up now)
[10:13] <Shal> One other symptom to mention. My desktop is completely locked up
[10:13] <Luyin> Shal: you are trying to access a hard drive from a live OS?
[10:13] <Shal> I can access things through taskbars and stuff, but one of the drives is highlighted, and I can not select anything else, or right click, or anything
[10:13] <Shal> mouse floats over it is all
[10:14] <Shal> Yes
[10:14] <Luyin> Shal: please open a terminal and tell me the output of mount
[10:14] <Shal> I got other stuff I want to do after that, but first I need to get over this
[10:14] <Shal> Ok, please specify the mount command
[10:15] <Shal> I think the desktop froze up when I tried to access one of the listed drives off it
[10:15] <Luyin> Shal: open a terminal, type mount and enter and paste it.
[10:16] <Shal> oh never mind, i figured out why the desktop was frozen
[10:17] <Luyin> still give us the output of mount, please
[10:17] <Shal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6109805/
[10:19] <Luyin> Shal: ls /dev | grep [sh]d[a-z][0-9] and blkid please
[10:19] <jost> Hi! I've recently gotten a new machine. It works fine with windows, but with Ubuntu I experience random freezes. It is not due to overheating, and I doubt that it is a hardware problem, as windows runs fine. Any idea how to diagnose the problem? dmesg does not reveal anything...
[10:19] <jost> sorry for the repetition
[10:20] <Luyin> jost: taking a look at /var/log could help for starters
[10:20] <gordonjcp> jost: what kind of graphics card does it have?
[10:20] <jost> Luyin: did that
[10:20] <crocket> Is there a nautilus alternative that has a lot more settings?
[10:20] <jost> gordonjcp: nvidia geforce 9800GTX+
[10:21] <crocket> nemo is one, but it comes with cinnamon-screensaver.
[10:21] <Shal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6109809/
[10:21] <gordonjcp> jost: are you running noveau or the binary drivers?
[10:21] <crocket> cinnamon-screensaver deletes gnome-screensaver.
[10:21] <crocket> unity is hard-coded against gnome-screensaver.
[10:21] <crocket> What a bullshit DE unity is
[10:21] <Shal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6109812/
[10:21] <jost> gordonjcp: the drivers that come eith ubuntu (noveau i guess)
[10:22] <gordonjcp> jost: and it just freezes solid, no crash report or anything?
[10:22] <Shal> well not a fan of unity myself, but I haven't tried its latest incarnation
[10:22] <gordonjcp> crocket: why do you want to install cinnamon-screensaver?
[10:22] <crocket> gordonjcp, I don't want to install cinnamon-screensaver instead of gnome-screensaver.
[10:22] <crocket> nemo wants to install it.
[10:22] <Shal> there you go Luyin , got both links?
[10:23] <gordonjcp> crocket: oh, okay
[10:23]  * gordonjcp quite likes Unity
[10:23] <gordonjcp> it's like the OSX desktop, but done right ;-)
[10:24] <jost> gordonjcp: yes, exactly - the screen freezes, the mouse doesn't move anymore
[10:25] <gordonjcp> jost: any evidence in /var/log/syslog or /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[10:25] <gordonjcp> jost: can you switch to a console when it's frozen?
[10:25] <gordonjcp> jost: or even shell in from another machine over ssh?
[10:26] <jost> gordonjcp: I have not checked whats in these logs - switching to a console does not work
[10:27] <jost> (can't check the logs right now, I'm on windows)
[10:28] <crocket> Can anyone recommend a file manager for unity packed with fine-grained settings?
[10:28] <crocket> nautilus is a menace.
[10:28] <advisor> hi all, is there a german-language ubuntu support channel?
[10:28] <Shal> Luyin Are you still there?
[10:29] <Shal> crocket, What do you have against nautilus?
[10:29] <crocket> Shal : autosearch
[10:29] <crocket> It's very annoying
[10:29] <crocket> And it lacks a lot of configuration options.
[10:29] <Shal> What specifically about it is annoying?
[10:29] <crocket> Shal : Haven't you used autosearcH?
[10:29] <Shal> yes
[10:30] <Shal> I have
[10:30] <Shal> But I'm not you
[10:30] <crocket> autosearch should be replaced with file-matching.
[10:30] <crocket> file-matching was the deafult.
[10:30] <crocket> autosearch is slow and annoying.
[10:30] <Shal> What's the difference?
[10:30] <SinCos> what is the 12.04 LTS ubuntus current kernel version??
[10:30] <crocket> Shal : How could you be ignorant of differences after using it?
[10:31] <crocket> Shal : It's one of the most annoying things.
[10:31] <Shal> I've never used file matching AFAIK though
[10:31] <Shal> So I can't know the difference if I've only used one
[10:32] <cfhowlett> !kernel
[10:32] <crocket> Shal : When you type "ha", nautilus used to match a file whose filename starts with "ha".
[10:32] <Rory> I dont think that did what you wanted it to, cfhowlett
[10:32] <crocket> It just moved the focus to a file.
[10:32] <SinCos> does 12.04 have 3.8 kernel???
[10:32] <crocket> Now it searches automatically.
[10:33] <cfhowlett> Rory, damn.  hoped on one would notice ...
[10:33] <Rory> crocket: Oh, I saw an article about this the other day, let me dig it out for you
[10:33] <jost> gordonjcp, nothing in the XOrg or syslog
[10:33] <crocket> Rory : Thanks
[10:33] <Rory> WTF Feedly wants to make me PAY to search my articles
[10:33] <Shal> and now it searches for a file starting with ha? that still doesn't tell me what the difference between matching and searching is
[10:33] <Rory> Shal: matching will just jump to any file starting with that in the directory
[10:34] <bekks> !de | advisor
[10:34] <Rory> Shal: Searching will do a recursive search and bring up a list of all matching files
[10:34] <crocket> Rory : nemo is superior to nautilus in every aspect, but it comes with cinnamon-screensaver. cinnamon-screensaver removes gnome-screensaver, and unity is hard-coded against gnome-screensaver.
[10:34] <Rory> crocket: You could symlink cinnamon-screensaver to gnome-screensaver maybe?
[10:34] <crocket> Rory : don't know
[10:34] <Shal> Rory so matching only checks the start of files, where as searching uses the full files name?
[10:34] <crocket> Rory : I can try. Anyway, what is the article?
[10:35] <Rory> Shal: Yes, and matching only applies in the current directory
[10:35] <Shal> Rory matching couldn't help you find a file with "ha" in its name, but doesn't start with "ha"?
[10:35] <Rory> crocket: I'm trying to find it, but I can't search my Feedly
[10:35] <Rory> Shal: Correct
[10:35] <schmackofatz> hi, usually i use nm-applet to config my wireless and all that, but now i only have command line. is there a cli tool for network manager?
[10:36] <Shal> Well it sounds like matching is limited to make it quicker, and one should be able to use both
[10:36] <gordonjcp> schmackofatz: some hints here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo
[10:36] <Rory> !info nmcli
[10:36] <crocket> Shal : If you type "ha" in previous version of nautilus, nautilus selected a file whose name starts with "ha" as if you clicked the file.
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> !info nm-cli
[10:36] <Rory> Dr_Willis: It's a command that's part of network manager anyway :)
[10:37] <advisor> thx bekks
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> crocket:  you mean this -> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/09/how-to-disable-recursive-search-in.html
[10:37] <Rory> schmackofatz: You want the command: nmcli [http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/man1/nmcli.1.html]
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> !find nmcli
[10:37] <Shal> crocket, Like I said, it sounds like it has some annoying limitations in trade of its speed
[10:37] <Rory> Dr_Willis: That was the article yes. I couldn't remember if it was OMG! or WebUpd8
[10:38] <crocket> Shal : Can you rephrase it?
[10:38] <aantoon> hi, i am trying to install a brother dcp165c printer. installed cups and drivers. all seems to be working but it will still not print. printer is recognized by ubuntu 12.04 just fine (as far as i can tell) but still not printing. what can i do?
[10:38] <crocket> Dr_Willis, That's a nasty hack, but it would work.
[10:38] <Dr_Willis> crocket:  cant say that ive ever really used the feature in nautilus at all at any time :)
[10:39] <Shal> crocket, It sounds like it should offer filematching for when its speed can be utilized, and searching for when filematching is inadequate/doesn't cover it
[10:39] <crocket> Shal : There should be a separate search box.
[10:39] <Luyin> re
[10:39] <Luyin> Shal: thank you, I got the pastes
[10:39] <Shal> Or a box toggle
[10:40] <Shal> I thought you had left :p
[10:40] <Shal> Its really late for me btw, so if I can at least get this one problem resolved before I log off.
[10:40] <Rory> Shal: Honestly, learn to use the terminal - once you get used to managing files that way, all the squabbling about what nautilus is doing just sails over your head while you Get Stuff Done
[10:40] <schmackofatz> ok - thank you all! nmcli is waht i was looking for.
[10:41] <Shal> Well searching for a file will be the same whether done through terminal or point and click
[10:41] <Rory> Yes but nobody's going to drastically change the behaviour of the "find" command overnight
[10:41] <Rory> Anyway this is getting offtopic :P
[10:41] <Shal> is find, matching or search?
[10:42] <Shal> yeah, like the topic of figuring out why I am having trouble mounting my physical drive partitions to my live
[10:42] <Luyin> Shal: do you receive an error message when mounting your hard drive?
[10:42] <Shal> Luyin, you just started reading those links the moment you came back?
[10:42] <Shal> yes
[10:42] <crocket> Rory : Sometimes, a GUI file manager is more productive than a shell.
[10:43] <Shal> Adding read ACL for uid 999 to `/media/xubuntu' failed: Operation not supported
[10:43] <crocket> Rory : I use a shell and a file manager both.
[10:44] <Shal> Well one problem with using terminal for things is you got to remember so many blasted things, and I struggle remember what I need to remember, I don't need to unnecessarily add more
[10:44] <Shal> and of course point and click is usually much faster
[10:45] <Luyin> Shal: it isn't, actually, as soon as you learn how to use it.
[10:45] <Luyin> have you created the directory /mount/xubuntu before trying to mount to it?
[10:46] <Shal> That is what it generates when I try to mount the drives shown on my Desktop and in file manager. I didn't specifically choose such a directory, its default
[10:47] <Luyin> Shal: please show me ls /media. forget that about /mount, was crap.
[10:48] <Shal> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6109882
[10:48] <Luyin> Shal: sudo mkdir /media/xubuntu && sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/xubuntu
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> there is no /media/xubuntu directory is my guess.  the disks should be getting mounted to /media/xbuntu/drivename
[10:51] <aantoon> if i try to print something i get "Processing - "Waiting for printer to become available."
[10:51] <Shal> Actually, just the first one worked, making that directory then click mounting it. I tried  before with the mydir I made and terminal mounting it, but it gave me funny results. Perhaps I just misunderstood something
[10:51] <Luyin> Dr_Willis: why should there? he just created it
[10:52] <Luyin> Shal: what "funny results"?
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> Luyin:  i found an identical question  about this on askubuntu.com -  the directory was either not there, or had wrong permissions
[10:52] <crocket> hmm
[10:52] <Luyin> Dr_Willis: found that one too, that was the reason I wanted him to create /media/xubuntu and mount to it.
[10:53] <Dr_Willis> Luyin:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/202630/cant-mount-any-partitions-acl-error
[10:53] <Shal> it looked like one drive when I navigated to what I made one time, and another the second time, also its 4gb big, and I don't even have such a partition that small, except maybe on the flash drive and that shouldn't have mounted with what I used
[10:53] <Dr_Willis> Luyin:  but they are mounting to a directory under that directory - this is a new change to ubuntu in the last few releases.
[10:53] <Shal> Its strange that it would be assigned to mount to that directory, but not already have made that directory
[10:53] <Luyin> ah, ok
[10:53] <Luyin> Shal: have you tried to use the code from the link Dr_Willis just gave?
[10:54] <Dr_Willis> Luyin:  now why the xubuntu live cd dosent have it - no idea. could be it somehow got removed. and a reboot MIGHT bringit back
[10:54] <Shal> Why should I? The problems been fixed
[10:54] <Shal> thankyou
[10:54] <Luyin> Shal: it has? didn't get that. well then, you're welcome
[10:54] <Dr_Willis> sounds like a bug  on the live cd - if it dosent make that directory
[10:54] <Shal> I just had to make the directory media/xubuntu
[10:55] <Shal> which it was defaulting to looking for
[10:56] <Shal> Well now that I got that fixed, theres the main issue I had originally wanted help with, getting xfce set up like gnome 2
[10:57] <Shal> Someone said its simple enough and quick enough to do, but then once we got into it, it didn't seem very quick or simple
[10:57] <funkt> hi there would anyone know how I can hide my hidden folders it seems when I press ctrl- h or view> do not show hidden folders or even dconf > unticking show hidden folders nothng seems to actually work I am using ubuntu 12.04 I just would like to not have to go through zillions of folders in my home folder
[10:57] <Shal> Didn't help that my helper kept on going AFK
[10:58] <Luyin> Shal: if you want gnome 2, why don't you just use it? since I've never used gnome 2, I won't be able to help you much there, especially as I'm about to leave.
[10:58] <Shal> Because none of the latest releases have it
[10:59] <Shal> And if I use  a earlier release of ubuntu I got security issues, stuff that can't update or upgrade etc
[10:59] <Dr_Willis> actually gnome-shell 3.8+ i think a gnome-2 clone mode.   but ive not used it.
[10:59] <Luyin> Shal: not by standard or not in the repos?
[10:59] <Dr_Willis> i cant even recall what gnome2 layout was.. panel at top? apps at the left side. clock on right.. what else.
[10:59] <Shal> I don't quit understand what you mean, but I start running into all sorts of problems with incompatibility and stuff
[11:00] <Shal> gnome 2 is 3 menu trees on top, applications, places, systems. a bar for mounting app shortcuts, clock. that is on top
[11:01] <Dr_Willis> http://www.instructables.com/id/Xubuntu-1304-GNOME-2-mimic/
[11:01] <Shal> on the bottom is a show desktop button, a task bar for open windows, then a 4 way screen switching thing on the right
[11:01] <lapt0p> Can someone remind me of the command for getting a GUI Window, after changing a certain path in Terminal?
[11:01] <Shal> I find it works very well, and XFCE is not close enough
[11:02] <Dr_Willis> lapt0p:   you mean   'nautilus .'
[11:02] <Dr_Willis> or without the . perhaps. ;)
[11:02] <Dr_Willis> nautilus /path/to/open/
[11:03] <Luyin> Shal: well XFCE can be configured to look exactly like that... go for settings > panel and set it up as you like, or right click on one panel and chose panel settings
[11:03] <aantoon> do i have to blacklist usblp?
[11:03] <Shal> The biggest thing for me is the 3 menu trees
[11:03] <Shal> I hate having stuff crowded into one
[11:04] <Luyin> Shal: I don't quite get what you mean by that. but you might want to check #xfce
[11:04] <Shal> well and I don't begrudge the space of one bar, a autohide isn't really necessary for me
[11:05] <Shal> I mean, XFCE puts all its menu options into that blue and white circle icon
[11:05] <Shal> I see no point in squishing everything into it
[11:06] <Shal> I got a question, how come there are only 3 things in "systems" under that?
[11:06] <Luyin> well I'm off now, see you later guys
[11:06] <Shal> I don't want it just to look like gnome 2, but function like it, and there are alot more menu items in systems then that
[11:06] <Shal> under gnome 2
[11:06] <Dr_Willis> Shal:  i doubt you are going to get it identical in function.
[11:07] <Luyin> Shal: that's because gnome thinks you're too thick to use all of them
[11:07] <gordonjcp> Shal: there's gnome-fallback I guess
[11:07] <Shal> And I have heard something of a classic mode,  AKA gnome fallback?
[11:07] <Dr_Willis> and gnome-shell has its gnome2 look in gnomeshell 3.8+
[11:07] <gordonjcp> if you want a billion pointless things to fiddle with, use KDE
[11:07] <Shal> is that in 13.4?
[11:07] <gordonjcp> I'd be quite happy with having no control panel at all in Gnome or Unity, or even a menu bar
[11:07] <Shal> I don't need a billion pointless things, systems in gnome 2 was populated with useful functions
[11:08] <gordonjcp> just a button in the middle of the screen saying "make it work"
[11:08] <Shal> Like system monitor, settings for my video card, sound settings etc
[11:08] <gordonjcp> and as long as clicking that button made whatever I was doing work, that would be fine
[11:09] <Shal> Well "work" is a subjective concept
[11:09] <gordonjcp> Shal: click the button and all my PMI reports appear, telepathically sucked out of my brain and typeset in a neat professional-looking way
[11:10] <gordonjcp> Shal: or this bloody Python network code, all tidy and pythonic

[11:10] <gordonjcp> give it a minute
[11:10] <gordonjcp> done
[11:10] <Shal> Yeah, keep dreaming.  "ah well my 911 will be different then yours" etc
[11:13] <lapt0p> Is there a way to search through the all command line history? I mean, does it keep the history only from the last session, or from the day i started using it?
[11:13] <Shal> well with terminal, you can press the up key to go to previous commands
[11:13] <Shal> but its only good for that terminal window, and is lost once you close it
[11:14] <lapt0p> Shal: Okay than, thanks :).
[11:14] <Shal> and down too to go forward
[11:14] <schmackofatz> lapt0p: .bash_history
[11:14] <Shal> you can also cut and paste with mouse in terminal. Strangely the hotkeys don't work in terminal though
[11:14] <schmackofatz> lapt0p: or bashrc_history - not sure
[11:15] <Shal> not the cut and paste ones I mean
[11:15] <schmackofatz> lapt0p: the size of that file is limited - somewhere you can set how many commands you want to keep in there
[11:15] <Dr_Willis> lapt0p:  'history | grep pattern'  will let you search also
[11:15] <eguerra> hello
[11:16] <aantoon> hi, i am trying to install a brother dcp165c printer. installed cups and drivers. all seems to be working but it will still not print. printer is recognized by ubuntu 12.04 just fine (as far as i can tell) but still not printing. what can i do? if i try to print something i get "Processing - "Waiting for printer to become available." do i have to blacklist usblp? Google is no help at all :(
[11:16] <lapt0p> schmackofatz: Thanks, but where do i find that file?
[11:17] <Shal> So is gnome-fallback in ubuntu 13.4 ? and is it a exact replica of gnome 2?
[11:17] <schmackofatz> lapt0p: it is in your home direcory. it is hidden, sorry i forgto to say that
[11:17] <Dr_Willis> Shal:  none of them are 'exact' replicas
[11:17] <Shal> enable view hidden
[11:17] <schmackofatz> lapt0p: .bash_history
[11:17] <lapt0p> Dr_Willis: This is the output: 18  history | grep pattern
[11:17] <Dr_Willis> !fallback
[11:18] <lapt0p> schmackofatz:Np, i will check that now
[11:18] <Dr_Willis>  lapt0p  pattern is the pattern of what you are looking for.
[11:18] <schmackofatz> lapt0p: so usually yo do what what Dr_Willis said: cat ~/.bash_history  | grep something
[11:18] <Shal> well I don't mean down to some excruciating detail or something. But does it have a fully populated system menu tree for example Dr_Willis ?
[11:18] <Dr_Willis> history | grep ssh   -> show all my ssh commands
[11:18] <bekks> schmackofatz: useless use of cat ;)
[11:18] <lapt0p> Oh, i forgot that grep was a searcing script :D
[11:19] <Dr_Willis> Shal:  no idea. i dont bother with gnome2 any more. I imagine the 'defacto' gnome2 mode  will be the gnome-shell gnome2 look mode.
[11:19] <Dr_Willis> lapt0p:  ;)
[11:19] <Shal> So does 13.4 have the fallback in it?
[11:19] <Dr_Willis> lapt0p:  bash has a very powerfull history features - but most people never notice them
[11:19] <Dr_Willis> !fallback
[11:19] <Dr_Willis> !nounity
[11:20] <schmackofatz> omg, i really have to chnage that coloring scheme of urxvt - people taking to me are written yellow on withe backgound - i can't read it
[11:20] <Shal> Which version is natty?
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> every release seems to have its own named gnome2 look. im on 13.10 testing right now.
[11:20] <Dr_Willis> !natty
[11:21] <Shal> Is this gnome shell, the fall back, is it gnome 2 like?
[11:21] <Shal> Or is it gnome 3?
[11:21] <Shal> minus unity
[11:22] <Dr_Willis> you use Unity OR gnome-shell. both are shells that run over gnome
[11:23] <Dr_Willis> https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.8/   'classic mode' screen shot
[11:24] <lapt0p> Which skills are needed for me to develop a GUI? Which software is needed for the "visual" part?
[11:24] <ufk_> i installed icinga and icinga-web from pta. the web interface doesn't show any hosts
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> lapt0p:  the gui part can be done in dozens of differnt ways. ;)   Python is a common 'starting language' to ease you into programming
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> !info gnome-shell-extensions
[11:25] <lapt0p> Dr_Willis: So you say a good starting point will be learning Python, right? :)
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> seems the classic-mode for ghome shell is in the gnome-shell-extensions package from what i just read.
[11:26] <Dr_Willis> lapt0p:  python is worth learning
[11:26] <Dr_Willis> fun python site -> http://pyweek.org/
[11:27] <lapt0p> Dr_Willis: I have some experience and basic/medium knowledge in C and C++, is Python's "thinking" similar to their "thinking" ?
[11:27] <Dr_Willis> python is object oriented, and very structrued.
[11:28] <Dr_Willis> C can be total chaos at times. ;P
[11:28] <lapt0p> Oh, since its OO, its cool :D
[11:28] <Dr_Willis> http://www.learnpython.org/
[11:28] <lapt0p> I mean, neat ;)
[11:28] <Shal> hmm seems classic mode doesn't even have systems
[11:28] <bazhang> !ot | lapt0p
[11:28] <Shal> What the hell, I guess they decided to hide all the systems stuff on us
[11:29] <Dr_Willis> I come from an age befor there was 'OO' so the whole OO concept is a bit over my head, and needs. but a lot of ubuntu support tools, apps, and interfaces use python
[11:29] <Shal> Doing a windows on us and treating us like we can't be trusted to access our own ssytems
[11:29] <bazhang> Shal, please take the running commentary to #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:30] <lapt0p> Sorry about the offtopic, i just have to get used to the "rigor" :)
[11:31] <Shal> Well it's less about any running commentary and more to say, any other options for gnome 2 type setup while still keeping up to date?
[11:31] <[FreeBSD]> xfce is the most similar
[11:31] <[FreeBSD]> if you want the panels and gtk themeage
[11:31] <Jakey> [FreeBSD]: lol
[11:31] <Jakey> what are you doing in #ubuntu
[11:31] <[FreeBSD]> Jakey: what
[11:31] <[FreeBSD]> chatting
[11:32] <Jakey> k what about #freebsd
[11:32] <[FreeBSD]> what about it
[11:32] <Shal> FreeBSD But I need to know how to set up "systems" under XFCE then
[11:32] <Dr_Willis> gnome classic mode - dosent use a system menu item. the far right 'user name' icon has a system settings button
[11:32] <[FreeBSD]> Shal: what do you mean by "systems"
[11:32] <Jakey> anyway i think need to customise ubuntu and its power management i know jupiter is a good tool
[11:32] <Larz> Hello.
[11:32] <Jakey> i just want to optimize my system or monitor the usage
[11:32] <randy__> hello
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> click on name at top right, (your name) and select settings
[11:33] <Shal> I mean the menu tree systems, like in gnome 2, if you have used gnome 2 before, please think back
[11:33] <Larz> How can I install PaX? (I have AppArmor installed, but now I want to install PaX too.)
[11:33] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: you need a custom kernel
[11:33] <[FreeBSD]> with the grsec patchset
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> theres a system-settings item under the applications menu here also.
[11:33] <Larz> [FreeBSD]: what?
[11:33] <Larz> [FreeBSD]: I use the 3.2.0 kernel.
[11:33] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: pax is in the kernel
[11:33] <[FreeBSD]> not a program
[11:33] <Larz> [FreeBSD]: I see.
[11:33] <Larz> [FreeBSD]: How can I check if I have PaX installed?
[11:34] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: you wont have if you're running the ubuntu kernel
[11:34] <bekks> Larz: You would know if you would have installed it, since its not in the ubuntu kernel.
[11:34] <[FreeBSD]> not sure if theres a ppa with a grsc enabled kernel or not
[11:34] <Shal> [FreeBSD],  http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gnome2.30.0.png top left corner
[11:34] <Larz> bekks: How can I check it out though.
[11:34] <[FreeBSD]> you're probbaly better off patching a vanilla kernel and customizing the settings
[11:34] <bekks> Larz: Look at uname -a
[11:34] <Shal> after applications and places
[11:35] <Larz> Linux ubuntu 3.2.0-48-generic-pae #74-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jun 6 20:05:01 UTC 2013 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> Shal:  and which gnome-2 thing are you using exactly?
[11:35] <Larz> bekks: well?
[11:35] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: you can normally get away with nearly all the security settings on, but if you run nvidia binary drivers you will have to play with paxctl on a lot of stuff or disable some sec settings
[11:36] <bekks> Larz: If it shows an ubuntu kernel, you arent using pax.
[11:36] <Tex_Nick> Dr_Willis : may i PM you for a one line question ?
[11:36] <Shal> Dr_Willis, Sorry, I don't understand the question
[11:36] <jost_> Hi again. Installing NVIDIA drivers doesn't prevent my machine from freezing... (context: My machine freezes regularly, but only under Ubuntu. Windows 7 runs fine. There is nothing in the logs, and I'm using NVIDIA graphics drivers).
[11:36] <jost_> Ideas how to get to the bottom of this?
[11:36] <Larz> bekks: how can I setup pax on my current distro?
[11:36] <bekks> Larz: Recompile your own kernel.
[11:36] <Dr_Willis> Shal:  theres several differnt gnome 2 look alikes out there. which one are you using? I got the gnome-shell classic mode going
[11:36] <Dr_Willis> Tex_Nick:  go for it. ;)
[11:36] <Larz> oh....
[11:37] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Grsecurity
[11:37] <Larz> does openbsd have pax installed by default?
[11:37] <[FreeBSD]> all you need to know is in there
[11:37] <Shal> Dr_Willis, I am referring to the systems in actual gnome 2. According to screenshot, "Systems" is missing altogether in classic mode, and is replaced by "documents"
[11:37] <[FreeBSD]> no it doesnt use it
[11:37] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: its for linux
[11:37] <Larz> then?
[11:37] <bekks> Larz: pax is linux-only. And you have to configure it manually.
[11:38] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: no point asking in here all you need to know is in that link i posted
[11:38] <Larz> Do you guys know of any linux distribution that has PaX and AppArmor enabled by default?
[11:38] <randy__> has anyone play
[11:38] <bekks> Larz: No.
[11:38] <Shal> Dr_Willis, So do you see applications places system, or applications places documents?
[11:38] <bekks> Larz: You have to enable it yourself.
[11:38] <randy__> has any one play dota2 on ubuntu?
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> Shal:  if you are refering to the gnome shell.  'classic mode' - yes  tere is No system settings menu item in the top panel. as i mentioned earlier - its in either the TOP RIGHT button/menu wher eyour users name is at. Or under the applications Menu -> 'system settings'
[11:38] <Larz> bekks: can I install/setup PaX on my current distro?
[11:38] <bekks> Larz: If you recompile your own kernel, sure.
[11:39] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: you're not going to get far unless you research stuff, or youll end up trying to do this kernel and not having a clue why stuff isnt working or breaking
[11:39] <bekks> Larz: Please read the article given.
[11:39] <ikonia> Larz: look - enough, lets cut to the chase, you seem unable to grasp the simple instructions given to you in this channel - so don't do it
[11:39] <ikonia> Larz: the fact that you don't even know its part of the kernel suggests you shouldn't be doing it, so move on from this
[11:40] <Dan-E> how to I install adobe flash player for unity 13.04?
[11:40] <bekks> !flash | Dan-E
[11:40] <[FreeBSD]> flash isnt specific to unity
[11:40] <[FreeBSD]> o i guess you meant ubuntu
[11:41] <Shal> Dr_WiLlIs,  Would you please pull out that menu a few stages and take some screen shots so I can know what's in it
[11:41] <Dan-E> syntax please
[11:41] <bekks> Dan-E: Read the article.
[11:41] <Dan-E> thanks
[11:41] <[FreeBSD]> Shal: in a terminal try typing gnome-[tab] it might be called gnome-system-settings or similar
[11:41] <Shal> You don't mean the off, sleep, change users, options, right?
[11:42] <Shal> I'm not using gnome right now freebsd
[11:42] <[FreeBSD]> ok
[11:42] <Dr_WiLlIs> Shal:  it has all the items the 'system settings' has only layed out in a vertical menu. and in alphabetical order. instead of  grouped.
[11:42] <Shal> I am trying to determine what DE environment would be best for giving me a gnome 2 like experience
[11:43] <[FreeBSD]> xfce
[11:43] <[FreeBSD]> like i said
[11:43] <Dr_WiLlIs> power, priinters, display. mouse , sound,   and  so forth
[11:43] <[FreeBSD]> Shal: what is it about gnome2 you like?
[11:43] <Dr_WiLlIs> gnome-shells classic mode - is similer to gnome2 - but defainatly differnt - and has some enhance3d featured
[11:43] <[FreeBSD]> there are a lot of faster, simpler and easier DE's out there
[11:43] <Shal> I like my menu options spread out, and not nestled in
[11:44] <[FreeBSD]> what do you mean by that
[11:45] <Dr_WiLlIs> gnome-shell has extensive number of extensions, that can add most features you may want
[11:45] <Shal> I mean for example with xfce, there's one menu button, a blue circle with some strange white thing in the center, for everything, aside from the hidout options along the bottom which sort of annoy me
[11:45] <Dr_WiLlIs> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/6/applications-menu/
[11:45] <jost_> Shal: you can customize the XFCE panels
[11:45] <Shal> I want to be able to go into a menu tree for system stuff without having to to to a special options window
[11:46] <[FreeBSD]> Shal: still dont get what you mean
[11:46] <[FreeBSD]> lol
[11:46] <Shal> OK are you using xchat?
[11:47] <[FreeBSD]> most big des like xfce etc have a settings
[11:47] <[FreeBSD]> im not no
[11:47] <Shal> Ok let me get a screenshot for you then
[11:47] <Shal> or no, better yet a folder
[11:49] <Shal> When I open a folder under XFCE there are 5 menu trees along the top, though the last one doesn't really count. "file" "edit" "view" "go" "help"
[11:49] <[FreeBSD]> thats the file manager
[11:49] <Shal> Now imagine if that was all folded into one menu tree branch called file
[11:49] <Shal> yeah your missing the point
[11:49] <[FreeBSD]> they are standard buttons
[11:49] <Shal> thankyou captain obvious
[11:49] <[FreeBSD]> there are simpler ways to do things
[11:50] <Shal> You are still missing the point
[11:50] <bazhang> !attitude | sha
[11:50] <Dr_WiLlIs> !screenshot
[11:50] <shubb> I just joined Shal, what are you trying to do?
[11:50] <bazhang> Shal, ^
[11:50] <Shal> Well with XFCE, on desktop it IS all folded into one, that blue and white circle
[11:51] <Shal> trying to get gnome 2 like experience yet be up to date with ubuntu
[11:51] <jost_> Shal, you can build custom menus in XFCE
[11:51] <jost_> and add custom launchers
[11:51] <shubb> have you looked into Mate?
[11:51] <shubb> it's a moderngnome 2
[11:51] <ikonia> it's not modern
[11:52] <auronandace> shubb: mate isn't supported here
[11:52] <ikonia> it's a dead codebase that people are trying to keep alive
[11:52] <[FreeBSD]> i agree
[11:52] <[FreeBSD]> waste of time
[11:52] <Ben64> let gnome 2 die already
[11:52] <Shal> Well the other issue is, I want it to be layed out like gnome 2, that way if I come across a old guide, the navigation instructions can work
[11:52] <shubb> lol fair enough, gnome 3 is cool, but I think people can have the DE they want....
[11:52] <Ben64> Shal: why not use gnome-fallback or something like that?
[11:52] <[FreeBSD]> Shal: try openbox, panel like tint2, right click menu
[11:52] <bazhang> Shal, this is way offtopic now, lets move on
[11:52] <Shal> fallback does not have systems
[11:53] <Ben64> what is "systems"
[11:53] <Dr_WiLlIs> http://imagebin.org/270993  Gnome Shell _ Classic Mode - showing its menus.
[11:53] <imark> ikonia: Ben64: Mate is in active development, its far from dead.
[11:53] <ikonia> imark: the codebase is dead
[11:53] <Shal> bazhang, I don't know why you suddenly decided to pick on me, but I have not said anything with "attitude" or whatever
[11:53] <shubb> imark: I think it is more of a philosophical thing here
[11:53] <imark> ikonia: Mate is it's own codebase
[11:53] <Shal> and this isnt off topic, the topic is trying to figure out how to get the ubuntu experience I desire
[11:53] <ikonia> imark: it's not written from the ground up
[11:53] <bazhang> Shal, time to wrap up your shopping for a perfect DE
[11:53] <[FreeBSD]> Shal: what de are you using now?
[11:54] <Shal> Well right now I am using a live xfce 12.10
[11:54] <Shal> xubuntu
[11:54] <[FreeBSD]> ok, might be easier to post a screenshot of the problem
[11:54] <[FreeBSD]> whats bothering you
[11:54] <imark> ikonia: Doesn't matter, its a free standing project now with active development, it's not depending on any other projects to keep it alive
[11:54] <k2__> Hello all, anyone have any expirience setting a speech recognition software like dragon on 12.04 i tried julius and simon with no luck so far
[11:54] <[FreeBSD]> as you can normally customize most stuff
[11:54] <Ben64> imark: it's dead, you can argue about it, but either way its unsupported here
[11:54] <ikonia> imark: the gnome2 code base is dead - applications are not designed for it, people can fork and maintain that all they want, but it's dead.
[11:55] <Shal> I can show you a screen shot of gnome 2
[11:55] <ikonia> Shal: we know what gnome2 looks like
[11:55] <[FreeBSD]> Shal: post screenshot of the thing thats bothering you
[11:55] <shubb> k2__: not me, but I'd be really interested to hear when you do get something working (been thinking about doing it)
[11:55] <Timvde> Is there a way to either a) change the current terminal profile or b) close a terminal window (so I can open a new window with a new profile) from within a script?
[11:55] <auronandace> [FreeBSD]: i don't think he has a problem, he just wants xfce to be like gnome2 with a seperate system menu
[11:55] <Shal> Well Im not trying to get gnome 2, I got no specific loyalty to it, just set up like gnome 2
[11:55] <Shal> pretty much
[11:55] <Ben64> Shal: if you explained exactly what you want it would really help
[11:55] <Shal> and other things like it, but the system one seems to be trickiest
[11:55] <Shal> I keep trying ben
[11:56] <Ben64> no, you don't
[11:56] <Shal> not for a lack of effort
[11:56] <Jakey> Shal:  i just remove unity and install cinnamon
[11:56] <Shal> YEs, i have
[11:56] <k2__> ive been researching for days i hope i get it julius is so complicated
[11:56] <imark> Ben64: ikonia: Okay this is not the place, but because Gnome2 is dead does not make all of its forks dead too, as I say Mate is completely independent now. That's my last on that matter
[11:56] <Shal> Is cinnamon like gnome 2?
[11:56] <Larz> I have AppArmor Installed, but I am willing to secure my system more, I ran a paxtest and I am not impressed by the results, how can I make my results better and make my linux system kill those stuff? Here are my results: http://pastebin.com/qfupaSaq
[11:56] <Ben64> Shal: "the system one" "blue and white circle" ... how are we supposed to know what you're talking about?!
[11:56] <auronandace> Shal: cinnamon is a gnome3 fork that is meant to be like gnome2
[11:56]  * Dr_WiLlIs wondered if his screen shot was close enough to gnome2 ;)
[11:57] <Shal> you would if you use xubuntu, and I was talking to at least one person who said they were currently using it
[11:57] <bekks> Larz: Read more about pax, what it is, how it works, how to set it up.
[11:57] <Jakey> Shal: yes
[11:57] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: pax will help on that but like i said read the link on doing your own kernel, or find a ppa with a prebuilt one
[11:57] <Jakey> try it out
[11:57] <auronandace> Ben64: he means the menu button (blue circle with white mouse in it (xubuntu))
[11:57] <Larz> bekks: I don't want to install pax.
[11:57] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: stop asking then
[11:57] <bekks> Larz: Then why do you mess with it?
[11:57] <bazhang> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1871989   <----- how to make xfce look like gnome2 Shal read it
[11:57] <Shal> A mouse, is that what it is, then yeah, that
[11:57] <[FreeBSD]> pax helps prevent exploits, apparmor contains damage
[11:57] <Larz> I am just using paxtest to determine my level of security, are you stupid?
[11:57] <Larz> I am saying, how can I kill those things?
[11:58] <Larz> the ones saying "Vulnerable"
[11:58] <Larz> How can I make those functions, to Killed?
[11:58] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: by using an exploit prevention like "pax"
[11:58] <bekks> Larz: paxtest tests on pax functionality. You dont use pax, so it is useless.
[11:58] <Dr_WiLlIs> xubuntus mascot is a 'mouse' ;)
[11:58] <[FreeBSD]> bekks: its not useless
[11:58] <Dr_WiLlIs> well xfce's mascot is. xubuntu is a mouse in a blue ball.
[11:58] <[FreeBSD]> bekks: its still useful on a non pax system
[11:58] <[FreeBSD]> for info anyway
[11:58] <jost> Shal: you can add more menus like that, but you may remove/change that icon, replace it by a text, etc.
[11:59] <bekks> FloodBot1: The result will always be "vulnerable".
[11:59] <jost> isn't that sufficient to get what you want?
[11:59] <Larz> Executable anonymous mapping (mprotect)  : Vulnerable - Is there anyway to make this "killed"
[11:59] <Shal> Well the systems menu tree will be trickiest
[11:59] <Shal> I want it to be laid out the same
[11:59] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: by enabling pax and the "mprotect" option
[11:59] <bekks> Larz: Yes, by using pax.
[11:59] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: you dont seem  to udnerstand
[12:00] <Dr_WiLlIs> shal this is close. but its under the applications menu. http://imagebin.org/270993  Gnome Shell _ Classic Mode - showing its menus.
[12:00] <Larz> Can I use PaX alongside AppArmor?
[12:00] <[FreeBSD]> yes
[12:00] <[FreeBSD]> as long as you dont enable rbac
[12:00] <Larz> RBAC?
[12:00] <[FreeBSD]> which is like apparmor but more powerful
[12:00] <bekks> Larz: resource based access control.
[12:00] <[FreeBSD]> its like apparmor but it profiles everything, read the link
[12:00] <jost> Shal: As far as I can tell from screenshots (haven't used gnome 2 in a long time), it should be not that hard to get XFCE to look like it
[12:00] <Shal> Dr_WiLlIs, not closer because it doesn't have a systems menu at all
[12:01] <bekks> *role, not resource.
[12:01] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: read the grsec link, its all in there
[12:01] <Dr_WiLlIs> Shal:  it has a MENU in the applications menu.
[12:01] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: as theres too mcuh to explain in here also its probably offtopic
[12:01] <Shal> I want it to be out of the applications menu then
[12:01] <Dr_WiLlIs> Shal:  and it can use all the gnome-shell extensions that can ad dother things to the top panel
[12:01] <Jakey> cinnamon looks way better than gnome or xfce
[12:01] <Larz> How can I setup a custom kernel and install PaX alongside AppArmor?
[12:01] <bekks> Larz: Read the link.
[12:01] <Shal> Can cinnamon be used in any ubuntu distro now?
[12:01] <[FreeBSD]> Larz: stop messing around
[12:01] <Dr_WiLlIs> Shal:  so find a gnome-shell extension  i guess. i dont see the point in worrying about a menu you might use 2 times a day
[12:01] <Larz> what was the link again?
[12:02] <[FreeBSD]> https://grsecurity.net/
[12:02] <[FreeBSD]> "Documentation"
[12:02] <auronandace> Shal: perhaps it is time to try to adapt your workflow to more modern desktop environments, honestly just try it for a little while
[12:02] <Shal> Jakey, Can cinnamon be used in any ubuntu distro now?
[12:03] <auronandace> Shal: cinnamon is available in the repos for 13.04
[12:03] <Dr_WiLlIs> cinnamin at one time could cause severe breakage in some ubuntu releases
[12:03] <Dr_WiLlIs> i wouldent suggest trying it in anythng other then 13.04+
[12:03] <Ben64> cinnamon is supported now
[12:03] <Shal> auronandace, The definition of modern seems to be hiding system settings because they don't trust us with them or something:p
[12:03] <Ben64> !info cinnamon
[12:03] <Dr_WiLlIs> moveing a menu to a diffnet submenu is not hideing it.
[12:03] <auronandace> Shal: no, the system settings are there, under settings
[12:03] <Shal> Well then mimicing windows then :p
[12:04] <Dr_WiLlIs> everything is  getting away from the huge bar of cluttered menus for a nested menu look.
[12:04] <Jakey> Shal: yes latest cinnamon on ubuntu 13.04
[12:04] <k2__> is 13.04 more stable than 12.04?
[12:04] <Jakey> i'm using it right now
[12:04] <Shal> with its giant singular menu
[12:04] <Dr_WiLlIs> k2__:  depends onyour hardware i imagine
[12:04] <Ben64> k2__: 12.04 is LTS, so i'll go with "no"
[12:04] <auronandace> Shal: and as has been pointed out to you several times there are toold that allow you to make your own menus under xfce if you so desire
[12:04] <randy__> both easy to use
[12:04] <Shal> nested menus may look better to some, but are more of a pain to use
[12:04] <Dr_WiLlIs> k2__:  if you have a laptop that came out after 12.04 and is very new - it might run better on a newer release.
[12:05] <k2__> ive never had issues with 12.04 i like it a lot compiled it from source from 8
[12:05] <bazhang> !brainstorm | Shal then file something
[12:05] <Jakey> Shal: http://askubuntu.com/questions/292394/how-to-completely-remove-unity-and-replace-it-with-cinnamon
[12:05] <Jakey> Shal: where are you from btw
[12:05] <Jakey> Shal: india?
[12:05] <Dr_WiLlIs> is brainstorm even still up? ;)
[12:05] <k2__> i have a desktop ive done about 15 ubuntu installs and one fedora im working on android ubuntu atm
[12:06] <Jakey> is there an article what ubuntu improve/change debians distro that makes it diff\?
[12:06] <Jakey> i like to know
[12:07] <randy__> i wanna ask a question
[12:08] <jost> randy__: do it.
[12:08] <randy__> dota2 runs bad on ubuntu
[12:09] <randy__> i 'v installed the latest intel
[12:09] <auronandace> randy__: that is a statement, not a question
[12:09] <randy__> driver on ubuntu
[12:09] <bekks> randy__: Intel what? CPU, grahics driver, wireless chipset?
[12:09] <Shal> I was trying to adjust xfce earlier and this happened http://i.imgur.com/7z1lKX8.png?1 a big open space on the right that I can't seem to do anything with, on the bar
[12:10] <randy__>  grahics driver
[12:10] <Shal> how do I fix this/get ride of this unusable space?
[12:10] <Dr_WiLlIs> the xfce panel has 'spacer' items you can remove/move
[12:10] <auronandace> Shal:  insert a seperator
[12:10] <jost> Shal: add a "separator"-item, and check the "expand" checkbox in its settings
[12:10] <bekks> randy__: And whats your question then?
[12:11] <Dr_WiLlIs> i wonder if any of the docks in the repos have a gnome-2 look to them.
[12:11] <Dr_WiLlIs> !dock
[12:11] <Dr_WiLlIs> well bbl.
[12:11] <randy__> in dota2 trees and some hero cant see,and game quit automaticly after play a while or after loading game
[12:12] <k2__> using opengl?
[12:12] <randy__> yes
[12:13] <Shal> jost, auronandace I found the separator add, but when I clicked to add it, it put a moving red dotted line around the task bar, and didn't seem to add in or anything, and I don't see any "settings" to to expand for it
[12:14] <k2__> i had that problem on WoW and any game really all i did was get the driver for 3d acceleration
[12:14] <k2__> before i did that i would get gpu lockup
[12:14] <randy__> what's the last word mean
[12:15] <k2__> GeForce 6150 LE/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
[12:16] <k2__> and i have an Ati radeon graphics card
[12:16] <auronandace> randy__: a lockup for a graphics card means it froze
[12:16] <randy__> intel driver include mesa the 3D lib
[12:16] <randy__> ty
[12:17] <k2__> intel drivers are unreliable to say the least
[12:17] <Ben64> what? intel has some of the best drivers for linux for quite a while
[12:17] <Shal> hello?
[12:17] <randy__> my graphics card is intel HD4000
[12:17] <Shal> jost, auronandace I found the separator add, but when I clicked to add it, it put a moving red dotted line around the task bar, and didn't seem to add in or anything, and I don't see any "settings" to to expand for it
[12:18] <k2__> just in my expiriencei had more trouble getting them to work
[12:18] <k2__> without bugs
[12:20] <auronandace> Shal: once you added it right click the separator and you'll find the settings (when you add items to a panel they will normally be put at the end, move it to where you want it)
[12:21] <Shal> I don't see any separator to click, though I don't even know what/if I added
[12:21] <auronandace> Shal: it is a thin vertical line
[12:22] <randy__> after some google work i  update mesa to 9.2 then i can see tress and heros ,but game auto quit almost every load in .before this i can play a while .....
[12:22] <Shal> I only see the moving red dotted line around the outside of the panel auronandace
[12:23] <auronandace> Shal: or just open up the panel settings and you can do it all from there
[12:23] <auronandace> Shal: the red outline shows the currently selected panel
[12:23] <Shal> Welll Im looking, still not seeing a way to fix this space on the right
[12:24] <A1Recon> Ubuntu is frozen..... I was taking some backup...Any ideas how I can get it back to normal....?
[12:24] <A1Recon> Around 250 GB of data....
[12:24] <bazhang> !details | A1Recon
[12:25] <randy__> i have a problem with dota2
[12:25] <A1Recon> I am running Ubuntu 13.04 and the system froze when I was taking a backup of 250 GB from my internal to my external HDD...
[12:26] <A1Recon> Any way that I can kill some processes?
[12:27] <bazhang> A1Recon, copying how? rsync? sbackup? other?
[12:27] <bazhang> randy__, how did you upgrade mesa to 9.2 exactly, and where did you get the intel drivers from
[12:27] <A1Recon> Bazhang just copy and paste....
[12:28] <bazhang> A1Recon, thats not going to work
[12:28] <A1Recon> Bazhang it was working .... now its hung up...
[12:29] <bazhang> A1Recon, that doesnt sound like "works" if it stopped
[12:29] <bazhang> A1Recon, what were you copy and pasting
[12:30] <A1Recon> Bazhang... how do I get the system back into my control.....
[12:30] <randy__> i get intel driver form this site https://01.org/linuxgraphics/
[12:30] <bekks> randy__: Thats not an intel website.
[12:31] <A1Recon> Bazhang I was taking a backup of some media and doc files...
[12:31] <bazhang> A1Recon, were you doing a system backup?
[12:31] <randy__> it's intel open source
[12:31] <bazhang> randy__, how did you upgrade mesa
[12:31] <bekks> randy__: Thats not an intel website.
[12:32] <bazhang> A1Recon, what are the FS in the two hdd
[12:33] <A1Recon> Yes system backup and NTFS in both....
[12:33] <A1Recon> Bazhang^
[12:33] <randy__> i dont remeber the detail ,i download a file form mesa git issue,someone provide a version of mesa
[12:34] <bazhang> A1Recon, how is this ubuntu related if both are ntfs
[12:34] <bazhang> A1Recon, are you using wubi?
[12:34] <randy__> bekks,i am not sure,it's intel web site or not
[12:34] <bazhang> randy__, likely your "fixes" caused more harm than good
[12:36] <A1Recon> Bazhang 2 internal HDDs and one external HDD. One internal and one external is NTFS.
[12:38] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:38] <randy__> yes bazhang,i'v searched every corner in the net
[12:38] <A1Recon> Bazhang I am running it in Ubuntu 13.04 now.... and the system is hung up. Can you just tell me how to get it back into control......
[12:39] <lola> hola
[12:40] <A1Recon> Bazhang...... how do I get the system back...
[12:41] <Eduard_Munteanu> Are the release / image signing keys' fingerprints posted on the wiki or some other https page?
[12:41] <emen> join #apache
[12:41] <A1Recon> Can I switch off the system as in pull the plug....
[12:43] <A1Recon> Bazhang can I switch off the system as in restart but using the switch on the cabinet....
[12:46] <A1Recon> Anyone here.....
[12:47] <bekks> A1Recon: /names shows a large list.
[12:50] <dampjam> Is there a way to disable discover on install?  Whenever it tries to load up a bunch of drivers on my MacbookAir6,2 it's crashing the kernel
[12:51] <bekks> dampjam: Without discovering, it found know where to install.
[12:53] <DarkShadow> snql
[12:54] <DarkShadow> cristian
[12:54] <DarkShadow> develop
[12:54] <dampjam> I just want to avoid it from loading wifi or network dirvers
[12:54] <DarkShadow> dampjam
[12:55] <dampjam> DarkShadow
[12:55] <DarkShadow> surferboy
[12:55] <DarkShadow> yes sampjam
[12:55] <Shal> Someone posted a link earlier for convering xfce to gnome 2 like, but I can't seem to find it
[12:57] <Jakey> there is no such thing as a free lunch
[12:57] <Jakey> even for FOSS
[12:57] <Jakey> or opensource or linux
[12:57] <Jakey> its not free someone has to pay
[12:57] <Jakey> so why its diff than MS
[12:57] <Jakey> none
[12:58] <UserError> Jakey
[12:58] <UserError> Do restaurants grow food?
[12:58] <DarkShadow> why to reject
[12:58] <UserError> Someone has to pay.
[12:58] <DarkShadow> mo@userERRoR
[12:59] <aantoon> hi, i am trying to install a brother dcp165c printer. installed cups and drivers. all seems to be working but it will still not print. printer is recognized by ubuntu 12.04 just fine (as far as i can tell) but still not printing. what can i do? if i try to print something i get "Processing - "Waiting for printer to become available." do i have to blacklist usblp? Google is no help at all :(
[13:02] <Jakey> UserError: still
[13:02] <Jakey> UserError: customers has to pay
[13:02] <Jakey> UserError: irrevelant
[13:02] <UserError> Yes, my model and example were perfect.
[13:02] <Jakey> no its not
[13:02] <UserError> It is called the service industry
[13:02] <UserError> Which is exactly what OS companies do
[13:03] <UserError> they code to their own service propagation
[13:03] <UserError> You asked a question and told me the answer was wrong
[13:03] <Jakey> its the same thing ms doing
[13:03] <UserError> That is a logical fallacy
[13:03] <UserError> affirming the disjunct
[13:03] <Jakey> who would be doing this huge project for free
[13:03] <UserError> They aren't
[13:03] <UserError> If you know anything about OSS you know they get paid by service contracts and funding from companies that don't want to
[13:04] <BluesKaj> !ot
[13:04] <Jakey> BluesKaj: yeah i just don't know where else to rant this
[13:05] <Jakey> i see the flaw in this free software opensource stuff
[13:05] <UserError> A little bit of knowledge is poison
[13:05] <Jakey> ppl think they are using the stuff for free but actually they aren't
[13:05] <UserError> come to #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:08] <gregor3005> hi, i try to build a little server which has nfs shares for the home folder and the users should login to the server like m$ active directory, it should also be possible to set folder rights for the users from the ldap directory. which software are preferred for this?
[13:09] <gregor3005> aso additional feature later i will combine this with my radius server for wifi. currently i use only the raduis users file
[13:10] <gregor3005> when it is finished it will be the new server for the firefighters in my town :-)
[13:10] <Shal> in xfce for panel, what do system settings look like/where are they?
[13:10] <gregor3005> sry wrong channel
[13:17] <letalis> hey guys i was curious if the addon for screen (or perhaps it was another screenlike program) is still in ubuntu that would give you a status bar with a clock and wifi status and things like that. im having trouble finding it in 13.04
[13:18] <letalis> anyone know if its still around it was pretty useful
[13:22] <evilpoptart> hi - i have an ubuntu 12.04 install that's using 3 primary partitions (sda1-3 for boot, root, swap) and I want to move /boot onto / without reinstalling.  From a rescue CD can I create a new /boot directory in the / partition with the same contents as the separate partition, redo /etc/fstab, run grub-install and still be good to go?
[13:27] <unknown101> i have downloaded nvidia geforce 9800 gt from nvidia's official site the downloaded file is caled NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-319.49.run how i install it?
[13:28] <letalis> evilpoptart: as long as boot is not setup to actually be where it looks for the kernel, i dont see any reason why you couldnt do that.
[13:29] <unknown101> i have downloaded nvidia geforce 9800 gt from nvidia'sofficial site the downloaded file is calledNVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-319.49.run how i install it?
[13:30] <jrib> !nvidia | unknown101
[13:30] <zykotick9> unknown101: is there not a 314 version in ubuntu?
[13:31] <unknown101> okay
[13:32] <unknown101> !system]
[13:32] <unknown101> !system
[13:32] <unknown101> where i can find system...Sorry new here
[13:33] <jrib> unknown101: I don't know in unity, but run the "jockey-gtk" command
[13:33] <rickyrayjay> had an issue with monitor, possibly a resolution setting that didnt revert to original? i connected NETBOOK (low resolution) to HDTV and used "display" in menu to set up options. chose the highest resolution for TV. Then, before disconnecting, chose option to "don't use TV display" and yes to use netbook display, but i never physically chose the lower resolution for netbook. when i rebooted this morning, FF widow and File Browser windows are overlayed
[13:33] <rickyrayjay>  off the screen and i have no control of moving them. they covered menu button as well. and mouse cursor would display a black X in areas that should allow a resize...
[13:33] <jrib> unknown101: actually, isn't it a tab in "software sources" now?  Check there
[13:33] <bwayne> letalis: something like this? it's based upon screen, but more easily configurable. it used to be named screen-profiles. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Byobu
[13:34] <rickyrayjay> sorry for the book here, but just wanted to cover the details  and hope for someone with a solution
[13:36] <rickyrayjay> only thing i can figure is that i did not physically chose the lower resolution when disconnecting from HDTV. is there a way to change screen resolution in boot setup? or someone have the commands thru terminal if i can somehow get it to open? (im new with commands, i know a few, but no idea on resolution settings
[13:36] <paul_> hi everyone
[13:36] <letalis> bwayne: thanks man i knew it was something else and i thought it was awesoem when i was just using the terminal because of the hud it gave me.
[13:37] <paul_> is there anyone who can help me with the ubuntu installation on a lenovo with win 8? I get grub-install fatal error
[13:37] <bwayne> letalis: screen's pretty nice.  i prefer tmux nowadays. it'd be interesting to get all of those status bar featuring in tmux like that.
[13:38] <rickyrayjay> paul_: newer hardware needs to have "secure boot" disabled under "setup" on boot
[13:38] <zykotick9> bwayne: i have load and time/date in my tmux "status bar"...  no wifi (network) though :(
[13:39] <paul_> i did , also tried with legacy option
[13:39] <paul_> but then everything leads to the error
[13:39] <bwayne> zykotick9: right now i just have hostname, date, and time. pretty bland. but i'm usually using the terminal within a WM which has all of that stuff anyway.
[13:40] <rickyrayjay> paul_ im kinda new at this so dont know much else besides google, or trying diff setups/settings/options on boot setup
[13:40] <letalis> exit
[13:40] <paul_> i read about the installation procedure
[13:41] <gordonjcp> paul_: are you installing to the correct drive, first?
[13:42] <paul_> it said to create a /boot partition of 250 MB , i created one and i set boot loader to the one just created (which is not sda, but a different one ) , could it be this the problem?
[13:42] <fanshawe> Hello everyone. I was wondering if there are any differences between the Sun and OpenJDK Java installations available for Ubuntu. I'm mainly looking to just run a game called Minecraft. Is there a particular set of packages I should go with? Ideally I'm looking for the most conservative with space.
[13:42] <paul_> i don 't know, that s why i am asking
[13:43] <gordonjcp> the boot loader should go on /dev/sda
[13:43] <gordonjcp> at least, assuming you are installing to /dev/sda
[13:44] <paul_> i read not to since it would override the windows boot loader
[13:44] <paul_> on the guidelines
[13:44] <guest-YR3YGr> It seems like i did something wrong. lapt0p here, just logged in from a Guest Account. I wanted to open a GUI interface from the command line, i wrote "startx", after choosing a certain path and after that a black screen appeared. I rebooted, and i now can't login to my account, even if i provide the correct password, it just blinks a black screen and it's taking me to the login screen again. I can only login with a guest account. How am i able to
[13:44] <guest-YR3YGr> fix this? Thanks in advance.
[13:44] <paul_> there was the procedure to create a new boot partition and set the bootloader to this new partition
[13:44] <gordonjcp> paul_: but then you add Windows to the GRUB bootloader
[13:45] <gordonjcp> paul_: or something, it's been a couple of decades since I last had to install Windows
[13:45] <paul_> and then use the easy bsd tool
[13:45] <paul_> the problem is with uefi
[13:45] <paul_> i think
[13:46] <paul_> i would like to keep both win  8 and ubuntu for now
[13:47] <zykotick9> fanshawe: if i where you, i'd research if minecraft runs properly in openjava (i'm guessing it might not, but no personal experience).
[13:47] <l01> paul_: what is the error message? if you install grub from the terminal by chrooting, what is the error message?
[13:47] <paul_> i did not try chrooting
[13:47] <paul_> i am installing from usb flash
[13:47] <paul_> then it goes to the fatal error while installing
[13:48] <paul_> should i try chrooting as i get to the kubuntu installation screen
[13:48] <paul_> ?
[13:48] <l01> Well, try it, and give us the exact error message
[13:48] <l01> since "fatal error" is not much descriptive
[13:48] <paul_> i know
[13:49] <paul_> i ll try, need 10 mins
[13:49] <fanshawe> zykotick9: From what I can find, OpenJDK seems to work well enough with Minecraft. If its the smaller option (space-wise) I think I'll go with that. I just thought I'd check first.
[13:51] <seventhsamuari> Optical Mouse Question: I have Logitech wireless mouse that works perfect when my laptop is connected to a power source but as soon as I disconnect it the mouse will lag after not touching it for a few seconds. Any idea why this happens? I have checked my power setting but I haven't found anything. I could't find anything online either.
[13:52] <zykotick9> fanshawe: i doubt there is much difference in size between the two.  BUT, i'd guess that the JDK is a lot bigger then the JRE, if space is that limited for you...
[13:52] <kota[Kat]> this one has me confuzzled: laptop w/ Intel graphics, ubuntu 12.04 LTS, graphics worked fine in the USB live install, but after reboot, black screen? :|
[13:52] <fanshawe> zykotick9: Thank you. If there's a way to install only the runtime environment, I'd be really grateful, but I'm not sure how.
[13:53] <zykotick9> fanshawe: sorry, i personally avoid java.  but see "/msg ubottu java" for some details.  good luck.
[13:57] <fanshawe> A new question then: When I follow the link to install the Open JDK runtime environment (from here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java), my browser asks me to select an application to open the package. Where should I navigate to/what should I choose?
[13:58] <nikolai__> java is useless crap:)
[13:58] <dumnut> hi, i just bought  a new lenovo with windows 8, i waant to install ubuntu 12.04. but microsoft is really monopolistic and will not let me boot from dvd drive. i looked at forums posts pressing del f2 f12 but none works, help please?
[13:59] <nikolai__> dumnut, you should have made the dvd bootable
[13:59] <nikolai__> dumnut, make sure you burn it with software that specializes in burning .iso files
[14:00] <nikolai__> dumnut, not the standard buring tools
[14:00] <seventhsamuari> isn't there a a key you can hold down to force the boot from cd?
[14:00] <nikolai__> that doesnt work if you didnt burn it properlty
[14:00] <nikolai__> properly
[14:01] <dumnut> nikolai__: hmm, i will get software buring iso files, thank-you for the tip
[14:01] <seventhsamuari> Optical Mouse Question: I have Logitech wireless mouse that works perfect when my laptop is connected to a power source but as soon as I disconnect it the mouse will lag after not touching it for a few seconds. Any idea why this happens? I have checked my power setting but I haven't found anything. I could't find anything online either.
[14:01] <zykotick9> nikola: ahhh, burning software that can't to ISOs properly?  does that even exist (in gnu/linux, i might believe it in windows).
[14:01] <lapt0p> Can someone tell me, what kind of graphics card drivers come pre-installed with Lubuntu? Are they generic drivers, or Lubuntu is "smart" to detect your graphics card and find drivers for that particular model?
[14:02] <l01> fanshawe: it should open the Ubuntu Software Center
[14:03] <zykotick9> lapt0p: xorg comes with probably hundreds of graphics drivers out of the box?
[14:03] <lapt0p> seventhsamurai: What is the working frequency of the mouse? Is it in the 2.4 GHz range or 5 GHz?
[14:03] <fanshawe> l01: Unfortunately it doesn't. It asks me what application I'd like to use to open 'apt links'. Is there any way I can choose Ubuntu Software Centre?
[14:03] <l01> fanshawe: if it doesn't, open manually USC and type the package name at the top right
[14:04] <fanshawe> Thank you, I'll try that
[14:04] <l01> by "manually" I mean by means of the system's Applications menu
[14:04] <seventhsamuari> 2.4
[14:05] <unknown101> how can i install the nvidia drivers i just downloaded?
[14:05] <unknown101> I am running ubuntu 13.04
[14:05] <zykotick9> unknown101: it's a bad idea to use nvidia.com's driver actually...  using the ubuntu version would be WAY better.
[14:06] <lapt0p> zykotick9: Thanks, i am asking this because some pictures used to appear more clear on Windows 7, compared to Lubuntu..
[14:06] <unknown101> well how can i download ubuntu version drivers?
[14:06] <lapt0p> seventhsamurai: It may interfere with wireless routers which are placed near your wireless mouse station
[14:07] <lapt0p> seventhsamurai:Not the case if your Wi-Fi routers are in the 5 GHz range.
[14:08] <zykotick9> unknown101: have you tried nvidia-current (304), is there a reason to require 314?
[14:09] <unknown101> I have nvidia 9800 gtx and i want to install it'd drivers...I believe will work better
[14:12] <zykotick9> unknown101: there is an #nvidia channel that may be able to give you directions.  personally, i'd consider your ubuntu to be "broken" if you use nvidia.com's driver.  good luck, you might need it.
[14:13] <unknown101> This is why i sometimes hate ubuntu
[14:13] <Eduard_Munteanu> unknown101: don't install drivers from nvidia.com, use Ubuntu packages.
[14:13] <unknown101> how i can get them..?
[14:14] <Eduard_Munteanu> unknown101: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[14:15] <unknown101> how i can go to system->administration-->additional driver
[14:16] <Eduard_Munteanu> "Note: In newer version of Ubuntu, older graphic adapters may not be supported with the repositories provided driver." -- that's odd... there should be a legacy driver version
[14:16] <BluesKaj> unknown101,  software center > additional drivers
[14:17] <zykotick9> BluesKaj: i see nvidia-current is using 304, are there other versions listed in additional drivers?
[14:17] <BluesKaj> unknown101, usually the nvidia-current driver is correct for your card
[14:18] <Eduard_Munteanu> The GPU is a bit old though.
[14:18] <BluesKaj> zykotick9, I'm on 13.10 ,but i beleive the nvidia-313 driver should be available for 13.04
[14:18] <Eduard_Munteanu> Best Google for the release notes and check if it supports it.
[14:19] <zykotick9> BluesKaj: ya on 13.10 that would make sense ;)
[14:26] <Eduard_Munteanu> What's Canonical's relationship with / involvement in Ubuntu releases?
[14:27] <Eduard_Munteanu> Do they sign releases in any way?
[14:27] <ikonia> Eduard_Munteanu: they are the company that owns the distro
[14:27] <ikonia> that is ths relationship
[14:28] <Eduard_Munteanu> ikonia: are releases signed by them, or is the free Ubuntu an entirely community-driven effort?
[14:28] <ikonia> what do you mean "signed by them"
[14:29] <ikonia> they run the company that owns it and distributes it
[14:29] <Eduard_Munteanu> ikonia: hashes are GPG signed, I wonder who owns that key.
[14:29] <tertu> canonical
[14:29] <tertu> probably
[14:29] <ikonia> Eduard_Munteanu: that will be signed from the tin that canonical own/run
[14:30] <paul_> ok
[14:30] <Eduard_Munteanu> Ah, I see.
[14:30] <paul_> i got the grub-install error
[14:30] <paul_> what should i do now?
[14:30] <Eduard_Munteanu> Any chance I could find a fingerprint on the wiki, a secured page like the MD5SUMS one?
[14:31] <l01> paul_: what is the exact error message string?
[14:31] <paul_> how do i get the full string?
[14:31] <l01> Eduard_Munteanu: apt-key list
[14:31] <l01> Eduard_Munteanu: man apt-key
[14:31] <Eduard_Munteanu> l01: I don't have Ubuntu installed
[14:32]  * Eduard_Munteanu looks up the Canonical website
[14:32] <l01> paul_: you tried the chroot way in a terminal, right?
[14:33] <paul_> not yet
[14:33] <paul_> can you help me out a little more
[14:33] <l01> paul_: ok, do you see an error message box?
[14:33] <paul_> i just got one where it said
[14:34] <paul_> file a report with ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[14:34] <paul_> then i got the screen
[14:36] <l01> paul_: please either use the terminal way so that you have a meaningful error message that we can use to detect the prolbem, or try another way at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#Fixing_a_Broken_System
[14:36] <l01> the chroot is described in detail here http://askubuntu.com/a/88432
[14:36] <l01> alternatively there's boot-repair which is graphical, but personally I've never used it so I can't help
[14:37] <paul_> i typed the ubuntu-bug command and got a screen with data
[14:38] <paul_> should i look for something specific?
[14:39] <Eduard_Munteanu> Nothing on Canonical's website, and it doesn't seem to support https either.
[14:39] <EchoDev> Hi, I want to run an application without sudo but it requires a shared library
[14:39] <ikonia> Eduard_Munteanu: you keep going on about this, what do you want us to do about it ?
[14:39] <Eduard_Munteanu> I personally don't get the point of signing stuff if you're hiding keys in a package.
[14:39] <EchoDev> Any way to fix this? I already copied the file to the same oflder but no luck
[14:40] <l01> EchoDev: program name and library name?
[14:40] <l01> EchoDev: why do you want to run it without sudo? what's the problem you're trying to solve?
[14:40] <Eduard_Munteanu> ikonia: I just said I couldn't find it on canonical.com, that's all
[14:40] <ikonia> Eduard_Munteanu: and moaned again that it's not https
[14:40] <Eduard_Munteanu> And I was going to ask if I should rather mail Canonical or Ubuntu's web contact rather than waiting for that bug on the tracker to be answered.
[14:41] <ikonia> Eduard_Munteanu: they work through the bug system,
[14:41] <fanshawe> The game's now working. Thank you #ubuntu.
[14:41] <ikonia> Eduard_Munteanu: you could push the ticket at the web content if you feel it's appropriate
[14:41] <EchoDev> l01 libpcsclite.so.1 and a non public app
[14:42] <ikonia> (web contact, sorry)
[14:42] <Eduard_Munteanu> Yes, I do moan about https because it's unimaginably cheap. :)
[14:42] <Eduard_Munteanu> Ok.
[14:45] <zenko> Hello
[14:45] <thezanke> o7
[14:46] <paul_> trying chroot procedure  - the "main partition" is the root  partition (mounted in  / )?
[14:47] <Eduard_Munteanu> paul_: can you rephrase that question? I'm not sure what you're doing.
[14:47] <the_roots> i have a question.  i have a dual boot laptop.  win/ubuntu can i install a thied/
[14:47] <the_roots> third
[14:47] <Eduard_Munteanu> the_roots: sure
[14:48] <the_roots> just do the usb boot and it will create another partition/
[14:48] <paul_> in the guide there is "determine the partition of your main partition" - does that mean the root partition mounted in / ?
[14:48] <orangepnut> I'm fairly new to linux and am having a graphics issue.  Before install the 'additional drivers' my resolution was fine but afterwards my highest res is now no where near where it should be.  I've used google and tried multiple fixes but nothing seems to work.  The system details shows 'unknown graphics' but the nvidia x server settings shows my card.  Any ideas?
[14:48] <the_roots> or should i create the part before hand
[14:48] <Eduard_Munteanu> the_roots: if you have spare, unpartitioned space. Mind it will probably try to install the bootloader over the existing one.
[14:49] <l01> paul_: yes
[14:49] <paul_> ok
[14:49] <the_roots> i will create  a blind partition and give it a try
[14:50] <Walex> orangepnut: the nVidia settings utility should allow you to change the pixel sises.
[14:51] <Walex> orangepnut: also try 'xauth' or one of its many graphical frontends.
[14:51] <orangepnut> Walex: the highest resolution in the nvidia utility is the same, no where near where it should be
[14:51] <Walex> orangepnut: or it could be that your card is not supported by the nVidia driver version you ha e installed
[14:52] <Walex> orangepnut: check carefully the resolutions and drivers listed in '/var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[14:52] <Eduard_Munteanu> orangepnut: did you generate an xorg.conf? Look at the Monitor section and check hsync/vsync frequency ranges.
[14:54] <Timvde> Is there a way to either a) change the current terminal profile or b) close a terminal window (so I can open a new window with a new profile) from within a script?
[14:54] <Naphatul> can anyone reccomend something other than dejadup for backups? it lacks options a bit
[14:55] <zykotick9> Walex: xauth?  did you mean xrandr?
[14:55] <Walex> zykotick9: ah yes...
[14:55] <orangepnut> Walex: I see this which displays my correct resloution: Virtual screen size determined to be 1920 x 1080
[14:56] <Walex> orangepnut: that's virtual, what about the driver and physical resolutions?
[14:57] <Eduard_Munteanu> Timvde: what do you mean by "profile"?
[14:57] <orangepnut> Walex: Setting mode "HDMI-0: nvidia-auto-select @1024x768 +0+0"
[14:57] <Timvde> Eduard_Munteanu: gnome-terminal has different profiles (for colours, fonts...)
[14:58] <Eduard_Munteanu> Ah.
[14:58] <Walex> orangepnut: yes, but you should also have a large list of modes that have been probed.
[14:59] <Timvde> Eduard_Munteanu: Well, what I *actually* want, is my terminal to have a different colour based on hostname, but the closest I could get so far is scripting an ssh command that'll open a new terminal with the selected profile
[15:00] <Timvde> It's just a tad annoying that it also leaves open the old terminal window
[15:00] <zykotick9> Timvde: i have the hostname configured in different colours in my .bashrc on each box (handy for lots of mosh/ssh connections)
[15:00] <Eduard_Munteanu> Timvde: you could spawn a background job that reads a named pipe and you can tell it to log out.
[15:01] <Timvde> zykotick9: I know I can do that, but I'd prefer to have the terminal background to a different colour to, since I yesterday executed "init 1" as root on a production server :)
[15:01] <Timvde> s/to,/too,/
[15:01] <Eduard_Munteanu> I personally use xmonad and spawn an entire terminal window, and the ssh ones have are watermarked with a background image.
[15:02] <Timvde> Eduard_Munteanu: That'd be great :) What terminal emulator is that?
[15:02] <orangepnut> Walex: is there anything specific you want me to find?  Not to sure what I'm doing.
[15:02] <falematte> Hi all, I want to know if is possible to not share windows between different workspaces. Better explained: I want 4 workspaces but i don't want windows to be half on one workspace and hal on the other
[15:02] <zykotick9> Timvde: ;) i sorta hear ya - i never use "init 1" myself, but i've renamed "shutdown" on my server to avoid the most dangerous thing to computing, human error.
[15:02] <Walex> orangepnut: why don't you post your '/var/log/Xorg.0.log' to the Ubuntu pastebin?
[15:03] <Eduard_Munteanu> Timvde: urxvt / rxvt-unicode, but you need to avoid invoking ssh manually
[15:03] <falematte> Hi all, I want to know if is possible to not share windows between different workspaces. Better explained: I want 4 workspaces but i don't want windows to be half on one workspace and hal on the other. Each window should stay on a workspace. Anyone may help?
[15:03] <Eduard_Munteanu> Timvde: I have a keybinding configured to show a ssh prompt asking me for the target host, then that spawns the terminal
[15:03] <Timvde> zykotick9: Well, I wanted to locally fsck my /home... It was the first thing I could come up with
[15:04] <orangepnut> Walex: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6110790/
[15:04] <Timvde> Eduard_Munteanu: Ah, I might give that a try too :) Thanks for the idea
[15:04] <paul_> I did chrooting, but still nothing
[15:05] <paul_> in step 6 i got "cat /boot/grub/video.lst  no file or dir"
[15:05] <falematte> Hi all, I want to know if is possible to not share windows between different workspaces. Better explained: I want 4 workspaces but i don't want windows to be half on one workspace and hal on the other. Each window should stay on a workspace. Anyone may help?
[15:06] <Fuchs> don't move it there? Aside from that: could probably be scripted with devilspie.
[15:06] <zykotick9> Timvde: if you are use to gnome-terminal, urxvt will be a BIG change (but it is an amazing terminal for sure!).  i use ~/.Xdeaults-$YOURREALHOSTNAMEHERE to configure it BTW, it's non-trivial.
[15:06] <paul_> but i did not execute step 7. should i repeat the procedure and do step 7?
[15:08] <l01> paul_: yes, run step 7
[15:09] <paul_> ok
[15:09] <Walex> orangepnut: it is a bit peculiar because it looks like the driver and everything is good, but there is no probing for modes supported by the monitor.
[15:09] <UserError> Does anyone know of the minimal Xorg package list for a specific driver only?
[15:10] <UserError> it seems loading only the specific driver ends up pulling in full Xorg eventually
[15:10] <UserError> or is there a slim Xorg ppa
[15:10] <orangepnut> Walex: you have any ideas?
[15:10] <Walex> orangepnut: instead it does fall back to 'nvidia-auto-select', and there are several web pages about that being an issue
[15:10] <zykotick9> UserError: i don't think you can "trim" xorg very easily.  are you really that short on space?  best of luck.
[15:11] <UserError> Not short on space but it is for a specific platform
[15:11] <l01> UserError: apt-get install --no-install-recommends should exclude the Recommended packages. AFAIK there's no way to remove "dependencies"
[15:11] <UserError> where space matters
[15:11] <Walex> orangepnut: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/169.04/README/chapter-19.html
[15:11] <UserError> there are very few "recommends"
[15:11] <UserError> for xorg
[15:11] <UserError> that should be recommends
[15:12] <Walex> orangepnut: have you connected the monitor directly to the card or via some KVM or other switch?
[15:13] <orangepnut> Walex: directly to the card with and HDMI cable
[15:13] <l01> Investigate dependencies via apt-cache depends, and find alternative dependencies, they're marked with the pipe symbol at the beginning of the line
[15:13] <Walex> orangepnut: that's very strange because there was no EDID probing, and usually that does not happen if there is some intermediate thing that blocks it.
[15:14] <Walex> orangepnut: your best bet is to use 'nvidia-xconfig' as described, to create an Xorg configuration file with the modes that EDID apparently cannot find.
[15:14] <Walex> orangepnut: consider for example: http://askubuntu.com/questions/188060/force-video-mode-without-edid-information
[15:15] <paul_> at step 7 i got "embedding is not possible "
[15:15] <paul_> grub can only be installed in this setub by using blocklists. however blocklists are unreliable and their use is discouraged
[15:15] <Walex> orangepnut: this advice to use newer if less official drivers might help: http://askubuntu.com/questions/188060/force-video-mode-without-edid-information/188064#188064
[15:16] <paul_> /usr/sbin/grub-setup: error : will not proceed with blocklists
[15:16] <columb> What's the easiest way to setup VPN on remote (ssh) ubuntu server for usage on android/ubuntu? PPTP? OpenVPN?
[15:17] <Walex> orangepnut: but you seem to have a very recent nVidia driver anyhow (304.88 from March 2013)
[15:17] <paul_> also "/usr/sbin/grub-setup warn: this GPT partition label has no bios boot partition - embedding won t be possible"
[15:17] <l01> paul_: do not grub-install /dev/sdXn, do grub-install /dev/sdX where X is a letter
[15:17] <[FreeBSD]> paul_: nmake a 1mb ef02 partition
[15:17] <l01> oh, wait - it's GPT? then I can't help
[15:17] <l01> I thought it was MBR, sorry
[15:18] <paul_> what should i do?
[15:18] <[FreeBSD]> paul_: make a 1MB partition on the disk of type EF02 so grub can use it
[15:18] <orangepnut> Walex: yeah, and I dont see why in the nvidia control it shows the resoltion being 1920x1080 but my only options are 1024x768 and lower
[15:18] <[FreeBSD]> you need it to boot from gpt
[15:18] <Walex> orangepnut: the virtual screen size is just a software thing.
[15:19] <paul_> can i do it in gparted?
[15:19] <[FreeBSD]> yes
[15:19] <ellipsis753> Hello. My Ubuntu server 12.04 is set to automatically update against security patches. However today my website broke with "Connection for controluser as defined in your configuration failed" error, presumably because of an update. This isn't good. Did I do something wrong or are automatic updates very hit-and-miss?
[15:19] <paul_> ok hold please
[15:20] <orangepnut> Walex: well under the native resolution in the nvidia control it shows the correct one
[15:20] <[FreeBSD]> paul_: in gparted the type is calle bios_grub
[15:20] <[FreeBSD]> or similar
[15:20] <Wiz_KeeD> Hello everyone!
[15:20] <Walex> orangepnut: that's peculiar because the log shows there was no EDID probing. Anyhow you can select it and ask it to generate a Xorg.conf for you.
[15:21] <orangepnut> Walex: and how exactly do I do that? and will it fix this issue?
[15:22] <Walex> orangepnut: have you tried 'nvidia-xconfig' with the suggested parameter?
[15:23] <paul_> cant find it
[15:23] <orangepnut> Walex: not sure how to do that
[15:24] <paul_> i mean it is not in the list unless it is shortened
[15:24] <[FreeBSD]> paul_: let me pm you
[15:24] <paul_> sure
[15:25] <Walex> orangepnut: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man1/alt-nvidia-current-xconfig.1.html might help
[15:26] <Walex> orangepnut: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2118501
[15:28] <karab44> anybody know about serious security issue in skype?
[15:30] <Wiz_KeeD> Could someone please help me fix my broadcom wireless driver so it can start showing the wireless networks when I boot? At the moment it's working very well except that fact that there are no networks show on boot and I have to connect manually
[15:30] <karab44> I was just talking with friend and some fake user poped up with one letter different and forced us into a group-chat to sniff conversation. I have screenshots
[15:30] <sabgenton> how to i find the size of the file system
[15:30] <sabgenton> (not the partition)
[15:31] <bekks> sabgenton: "df -h"
[15:31] <sabgenton> like in blocks
[15:31] <[FreeBSD]> df
[15:31] <Eduard_Munteanu> sabgenton: df -h should show it
[15:31] <Eduard_Munteanu> sabgenton: what blocks?
[15:31] <bekks> Eduard_Munteanu: df -h does not show blocks.
[15:31] <bekks> Eduard_Munteanu: File system blocks.
[15:31] <Eduard_Munteanu> Um, that's FS-specific.
[15:32] <[FreeBSD]> Eduard_Munteanu: the -h is human readable
[15:32] <bekks> Eduard_Munteanu: Thats why "df" shows them.
[15:32] <sabgenton> ext4
[15:32] <sabgenton> I rember using a tool
[15:32] <Karmahacker> Hi guys  anyone  know how to enable TUN/TAP module on OpenVz Ubuntu  vps
[15:32] <Eduard_Munteanu> sabgenton: try debugfs
[15:32] <sabgenton> sometool  /dev/sda1
[15:33] <bekks> sabgenton: That will evaluate the file partition size.
[15:33] <bekks> sabgenton: df shows you the filesystem blocks.
[15:33] <sabgenton> partiton?
[15:33] <sabgenton> or filesystem
[15:33] <Eduard_Munteanu> Why do you need blocks though?
[15:33] <sabgenton> fdisk -l shows the partion
[15:33] <bekks> sabgenton: df shows you the block sizes of the filesystem.
[15:34] <sabgenton> just been resizing hardrive with resize2fs
[15:35] <sabgenton> ok I guess df works
[15:35] <bekks> sabgenton: technically, you cant resize harddrives. You can only resize partitions/volumes and filesystems.
[15:35] <sabgenton> yes my bad
[15:35] <Eduard_Munteanu> sabgenton: resize2fs works with prefixes other than blocks too
[15:35] <sabgenton> heh
[15:36] <Eduard_Munteanu> s/prefixes/units/
[15:36] <sabgenton> bytes would have been fine too
[15:37] <Eduard_Munteanu> sabgenton: furthermore, if you enlarged the partition, you can just call resize2fs without specifying the new size, and it will extend out as much as it can.
[15:37] <sabgenton> yeah thats what i did
[15:38] <Guest76143> Does anyone know of any automatic time-tracking applications?
[15:38] <Hodapp> automatic time-tracking?
[15:38] <bekks> Guest76143: "Worklog" on iPhone. ;)
[15:38] <sabgenton> Eduard_Munteanu: is du dead accurate to the byte?
[15:38] <sabgenton> er I mean df
[15:38] <bekks> Guest76143: Otherwise, you need a full blown project management software.
[15:38] <Hodapp> sabgenton: well, it's giving you blocks, not bytes.
[15:39] <Eduard_Munteanu> sabgenton: that's also fs-specific :)
[15:39] <sabgenton> ext4
[15:39] <bekks> sabgenton: you can specify a desired blocksize for df.
[15:39] <sabgenton> if I covert the blocks to bytes
[15:39] <hipsterZues> Anybody know what the easiest way to add/remove vi features?
[15:39] <Eduard_Munteanu> sabgenton: if this is about the filesystem size then yeah, I think it is.
[15:39] <Eduard_Munteanu> I meant filesystems like btrfs can't give an accurate free space count.
[15:40] <bekks> sabgenton: Specify the desired blocksize, you do not need to convert it.
[15:40] <Eduard_Munteanu> hipsterZues: "features"?
[15:40] <sabgenton> Eduard_Munteanu: but btrfs would still give the fs boundary end
[15:40] <bekks> sabgenton: So does every other filesystem.
[15:40] <Guest76143> bekks: And what about applications simply logging the currently focused window's titles, and their duration? I would settle for that, but had difficulty finding any
[15:40] <Eduard_Munteanu> Yeah.
[15:41] <hipsterZues> Eduard_Munteanu: yes, like statusline, python, SQL, etc.
[15:41] <sabgenton> Eduard_Munteanu: that's all i want from df i mean
[15:41] <bekks> Guest76143: Havent found anything like that for the past years.
[15:41] <Eduard_Munteanu> On a related note it's a shame there are no FS that could work on variable-size block devices. Would be useful to have a compressed block device.
[15:41] <bekks> sabgenton: Then read "df --help" and specify the desired blocksize.
[15:42] <bekks> Eduard_Munteanu: ZFS provides transparent compression and deduplication.
[15:42] <[FreeBSD]> love zfs
[15:42] <[FreeBSD]> i use it for everything :)
[15:42] <Eduard_Munteanu> bekks: yeah, btrfs too, but in many ways generalizing that to ext4 and other filesystems would be great
[15:43] <bekks> Eduard_Munteanu: I'd just use ZFS ;)
[15:43] <Eduard_Munteanu> bekks: how's it working on Linux? I've been using btrfs for a few years already and it kept my data safe, but it's been slow as hell at some point.
[15:44] <[FreeBSD]> Eduard_Munteanu: works good on linux
[15:44] <[FreeBSD]> supports feature flags etc
[15:44] <Eduard_Munteanu> It isn't a FUSE driver, is it?
[15:44] <[FreeBSD]> no
[15:45] <[FreeBSD]> it hasnt been for ages
[15:45] <mackwerk_> Help! I've been a complete retard, I've modified /etc/passw and /etc/groups (I think that's what they're called) and now I cannot login to ubuntu, what can I do?
[15:45] <SchrodingersScat> !language | mackwerk_
[15:45] <Eduard_Munteanu> mackwerk_: boot to single mode and fix them
[15:46] <mackwerk_> Eduard_Munteanu: how do I do that?
[15:46] <Luyin> mackwerk: or boot from a live OS, so you don't need to use a second computer to check, search and ask things ;)
[15:46] <Eduard_Munteanu> http://askubuntu.com/questions/132965/how-do-i-boot-into-single-user-mode-from-grub  -- Google suggests that
[15:46] <mika__> salut
[15:46] <Eduard_Munteanu> mika__: hi
[15:47] <mika__> i'm french
[15:47] <mackwerk_> Eduard_Munteanu: Thanks, will give it a shot :)
[15:47] <Eduard_Munteanu> mika__: we have that greeting in Romanian too :)
[15:47] <mika__> i'm search tchat french
[15:48] <Eduard_Munteanu> That was a short visit.
[15:49] <tjj> Can anyone recommend a better chat client than xchat-gnome?
[15:49] <[FreeBSD]> weechat
[15:52] <A_J_> hey all. i'm trying to connect via ubuntu pc to a wired network through a router, it's not working exactly. please can someone give me some pointers
[15:55] <A_J_> anyone ?
[15:55] <[FreeBSD]> A_J_: connect to what
[15:55] <Luyin> !patience > A_J_
[15:56] <A_J_> [FreeBSD] my internet via a router
[15:56] <[FreeBSD]> how
[15:56] <[FreeBSD]> ssh?
[15:56] <[FreeBSD]> oh
[15:56] <falematte> Hi all, I want to know if is possible to not share windows between different workspaces. Better explained: I want 4 workspaces but i don't want windows to be half on one workspace and hal on the other
[15:56] <falematte> Hi all, I want to know if is possible to not share windows between different workspaces. Better explained: I want 4 workspaces but i don't want windows to be half on one workspace and hal on the other
[15:56] <A_J_> no normally. i mean i want internet on my linux pc
[15:56] <falematte> Hi all, I want to know if is possible to not share windows between different workspaces. Better explained: I want 4 workspaces but i don't want windows to be half on one workspace and hal on the other. Each window should stay on a workspace. Anyone may help?
[15:56] <A_J_> oh god
[15:56] <[FreeBSD]> A_J_: is it dhcp>?
[15:56] <A_J_> yes [FreeBSD]
[15:57] <falematte> sry for the spam XD
[15:57] <Luyin> falematte: yes that is possible, depending a little on the DE you're using
[15:57] <[FreeBSD]> A_J_: wireless>
[15:57] <[FreeBSD]> ?
[15:57] <[FreeBSD]> o you said wired
[15:57] <[FreeBSD]> sorrt
[15:57] <[FreeBSD]> y
[15:57] <A_J_> [FreeBSD] both wireless or wired. which ever works i'm happy
[15:57] <[FreeBSD]> wired dhcp should work by default
[15:58] <A_J_> i know it used to. it's acting funny now.
[15:58] <A_J_> not sure if the OS or the network. i mean the light blinks on the lan port
[15:58] <A_J_> and ocassionally on the royter
[15:59] <sabgenton> bekks: I should have known about -B  I use it in du with --apparent-size
[15:59] <sabgenton> :)
[16:00] <A_J_> [FreeBSD] maybe you can help me set up the wireless ?
[16:00] <[FreeBSD]> i cant
[16:00] <A_J_> why not
[16:00] <[FreeBSD]> dont know much about wireless
[16:01] <A_J_> hmm okie any troubleshooting you can do on wired
[16:01] <A_J_> to check if my network is the fault, the pc or the os
[16:01] <A_J_> it works okie on windows 8
[16:01] <[FreeBSD]> cat /etc/network/interfaces
[16:01] <[FreeBSD]> i think thats the one
[16:02] <A_J_> reads auto lo
[16:02] <littlegirl> A_J_: Can you type cat /etc/network/interfaces in a terminal window in the computer you want to connect to the internet and paste the results into http://paste.ubuntu.com/ so we can see it?
[16:02] <crocket> I finally nailed ubuntu 13.04 configuration. http://wiki.technocrata.com/xwiki/bin/view/System+Settings/Ubuntu+13.04+Desktop
[16:02] <A_J_> iface lo inet loopback
[16:04] <dhyana> hi crocket
[16:04] <A_J_> littlegirl your free to help me in main. tell me what do i do now.
[16:04] <A_J_> cause i'm not sure what's wrong. but it's broken in unix that i'm sure
[16:05] <littlegirl> A_J_: Can you paste the results of cat /etc/network/interfaces in http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[16:05] <littlegirl> A_J_: Or was iface lo inet loopback the entire contents of the file?
[16:05] <A_J_> yes littlebe1r
[16:05] <A_J_> littlegirl*
[16:06] <hplc> does ubuntu support Thai in live cd session?
[16:06] <Maple__> yes
[16:06] <gabriel123> does ubuntu support SSD's?
[16:07] <Maple__> first screen ya see, choose the language
[16:07] <mmazing> A_J_, just curious, what localization is your keyboard using :) (girl->be1r)
[16:07] <A_J_> mmazing the standard US keyboard is what i use.
[16:07] <A_J_> with a ruppee symbol for some reason.
[16:08] <mmazing> gabriel123 - i'm running ubuntu on an ssd as we speak
[16:08] <gabriel123> has it ever froze on you?
[16:09] <OldTexas> mmazing, I jes bought one to do that.
[16:09] <littlegirl> A_J_: This is an example of a working /etc/network/interfaces file (please do not try to use it on your system - it's just an example): http://paste.ubuntu.com/6111044/
[16:09] <OldTexas> Seem any faster?
[16:09] <l01> it never froze on my ssd
[16:09] <mmazing> i've lost several SSD's
[16:09] <littlegirl> A_J_: What you want to do is to copy your /etc/network/interfaces file so that you can restore it if you need to before you make any changes.
[16:10] <mmazing> i wouldn't recommend them to anyone who needs reliability
[16:10] <gabriel123> mmazing: how?
[16:10] <mmazing> they just crapped out
[16:10] <gabriel123> oh
[16:10] <matanya> is it possible to run ubuntu on a tablet?
[16:10] <OldTexas> sO MIRROR TO A MECHANICAL DRIVE?
[16:10] <mmazing> you can install linux on a badger
[16:10] <OldTexas> oops
[16:10] <matanya> not alongside android
[16:10] <A_J_> littlegirl i'm using an auto config setup. don't want to try using a manual ip.
[16:11] <littlegirl> A_J_: Ah, okay, then I'm out. I only know how to do it manually. (:
[16:11] <gabriel123> well windows is running fine on my ssd but when i boot linux, it starts up fine but lkie 2 minutes kater it freezes
[16:12] <mmazing> OldTexas - i guess that would work, but it would probably cause performance issues that might offset the gains from an SSD
[16:12] <gabriel123> mmazing: what filesystem did u use??
[16:12] <mmazing> ext4
[16:12] <OldTexas> You guys are getting me depressed.  I just bought an SSD, haven't  even opened the box yet :(
[16:12] <A_J_> OldTexas it's a waste of money if your running unix on it
[16:12] <A_J_> imho
[16:13] <A_J_> littlegirl do you know anything about networking. i have a few questions
[16:13] <OldTexas> Guess I'll use it on my beta machine instead of my LTS machine then.  :(
[16:13] <gabriel123> so does anyone know what causes an I/O error to happen?
[16:14] <littlegirl> A_J_: I know some, so go for it. I'll see what I can do. (:
[16:14] <mmazing> gabriel123 - random io errors?
[16:14] <sabgenton> Eduard_Munteanu:   bekks:  for the record the command (ext4) is: tune2fs -l /dev/sda1|grep 'Block count'
[16:14] <sabgenton> and it's more accurate
[16:14] <gabriel123> yes
[16:14] <mmazing> probably a defective drive
[16:14] <A_J_> well littlegirl i've figured out that my network randomly drops. how do i troubleshoot this ?
[16:14] <gabriel123> but windows works fine
[16:15] <sabgenton> df -B4k /dev/sda1 was smaller
[16:15] <falematte> Hi all, I want to know if is possible to not share windows between different workspaces. Better explained: I want 4 workspaces but i don't want windows to be half on one workspace and hal on the other. Each window should stay on a workspace. Anyone may help?
[16:15] <littlegirl> A_J_: The first thing I'd do is figure out what I'm doing each time it happens to see if I'm causing it somehow (either with a hardware thing like the computer going to sleep or the router having a bad cord and it getting bumped or something).
[16:15] <mmazing> gabriel123: hmmm, so probably not a hardware problem
[16:16] <gabriel123> yea its not that haha, i just got the drive 2 weeks ago
[16:16] <A_J_> littlegirl this pc was made to be a 24x7 online pc. so idk when it happens, although it's hampering my process.
[16:16] <A_J_> i'm guessing wires
[16:16] <mmazing> littlegirl: A_J_: yes, that JUST happened to me about 30 minutes ago, been troubleshooting network issues, and turned out it was because i was using Suspend instead of shutting the computer down
[16:17] <littlegirl> mmazing: Heh, I was actually just guessing that something like that could happen, but it's often the simplest things that cause trouble rather than all the intricate advanced setups. (:
[16:17] <mmazing> switched network cables, router, cable modem
[16:17] <A_J_> changing out the whole wired network is a pain. it's concelled for starters
[16:18] <littlegirl> A_J_: They also seem to have changed something in the network setup. It took us forever to figure out that you now have to have the dns-nameservers line in your /etc/network/interfaces if you want to connect to the internet via DHCP. As soon as we did that all was well, and we never had to do that before Kubuntu 13.04.
[16:19] <A_J_> hmm i'm on 12.XX
[16:19] <A_J_> i have a continuity tester maybe use that and check
[16:19] <A_J_> but the problem is it's a random drop.
[16:19] <A_J_> and goes away once a jiggle the cables
[16:21] <mmazing> gabriel123: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2011/05/the-hot-crazy-solid-state-drive-scale.html
[16:21] <gabriel123> mmazing: thanks! i will check it ouy right now
[16:22] <acidulous> hm, why do you guys use ubuntu and not debian?
[16:22] <A_J_> cause imho debain is more complicated to use acidulous
[16:22] <A_J_> and unix is complicated enough
[16:22] <Maple__> acidulous, I don't use Ubuntu :P
[16:22] <littlegirl> A_J_: If jiggling the cables fixes it every time you either need new cables or a new connector where the cable attaches. Unless (and this is the trouble with troubleshooting) your jiggling just happens to coincidentally happen at exactly the same moment that the actual culprit fixes itself for the moment, in which case your jiggling has nothing to do with it. (:
[16:22] <acidulous> A_J_: it's also botnet!
[16:23] <littlegirl> A_J_: Do you have another cable you can try?
[16:23] <mmazing> acidulous: why do you use debian instead of ubuntu?
[16:23] <A_J_> littlegirl it's a conceled network. so i guess i can't do that
[16:23] <acidulous> because it's not botnet
[16:24] <mmazing> acidulous: how is ubuntu a botnet?
[16:24] <acidulous> and sorry if i interrupted a support conversation here, i'm just trying to start a conversation.
[16:24] <acidulous> mmazing: do you know what a botnet is?
[16:24] <A_J_> naah acidulous you didnt
[16:24] <Maple__> acidulous, how about you? >.>
[16:24] <zykotick9> !ot
[16:25] <mmazing> ... i think i do, unless there is some other meaning that i am unaware of
[16:25] <acidulous> @ubuntu-offtopic
[16:25] <Guest72232> I know what a botnet is :P
[16:25] <Guest72232> I've actually owned/operated quite a few in my skid days
[16:25] <acidulous> i'm just going to give support here, since i used ubuntu previously for 2 years.
[16:26] <UserError> Nice to know guest, care to say more?
[16:26] <Guest72232> Sure
[16:26] <UserError> What year was this?
[16:26] <A_J_> acidulous tell me what should a noob user get if he switches
[16:26] <A_J_> in terms of better]
[16:26] <Guest72232> Eh maybe 2006-2009
[16:26] <acidulous> A_J_
[16:26] <acidulous> What?
[16:27] <acidulous> Oh
[16:27] <Guest72232> I have some screenshots of my previous nets if you guys wanna see :D
[16:27] <acidulous> Took a second read.
[16:27] <A_J_> switches from ubuntu to debain
[16:27] <gabriel123> mmazing: my drive is ok, like everyone is saying it is the drive, but it cant be because my windows installation is running perfectly
[16:27] <acidulous> He'll probably run into issues as it's a lot more complicated.
[16:27] <bazhang> !ot | acidulous A_J_
[16:27] <A_J_> okie bazhang.
[16:27] <acidulous> Alright, I was trying to get on topic, but got brought into another conversation.
[16:27] <acidulous>  /emd
[16:27] <acidulous>  /end*
[16:28] <Guest72232> Here is a screenie of one of my nets a while back if anyone is interested:
[16:28] <Guest72232> http://i.imgur.com/dOYLf.png
[16:28] <falematte> Hi all, I want to know if is possible to not share windows between different workspaces. Better explained: I want 4 workspaces but i don't want windows to be half on one workspace and hal on the other. Each window should stay on a workspace. Anyone may help?
[16:29] <PrideAndSorrow> hi
[16:29] <A_J_> scary Guest72232
[16:30] <Guest72232> That was a Windows net I was running, here is my biggest Linux net: http://i.imgur.com/UNAt0.png
[16:30] <Guest72232> :D
[16:30] <Guest72232> But that's all behind me now :/
[16:30] <PrideAndSorrow> is this a help channel?
[16:30] <acidulous> PrideAndSorrow: Yes, it's a support channel.
[16:30] <unknown101> yy
[16:31] <acidulous> If you're looking for off-topic Ubuntu conversation, check out #ubuntu-offtopic.
[16:31] <mmazing> gabriel123: it could be a problem with the area of the drive that you have ubuntu installed on
[16:31] <PrideAndSorrow> i got this message
[16:31] <PrideAndSorrow> drfaustus@mhmdimstfa:~$ sudo sudo: /usr/lib/sudo/sudoers.so must be only be writable by owner sudo: fatal error, unable to load plugins
[16:32] <gabriel123> mmazing: i dont understand, what do u mean?
[16:32] <unknown101> pride wait for the other download to get finished so you can use that command
[16:32] <jrib> PrideAndSorrow: did you recently manipulate permissions?
[16:32] <PrideAndSorrow> rhat can fix that?nope
[16:32] <jrib> PrideAndSorrow: what?
[16:32] <PrideAndSorrow> nope
[16:32] <PrideAndSorrow> i havn't
[16:32] <jrib> PrideAndSorrow: output of: ls -ld /usr/lib/sudo/sudoers.so
[16:33] <unknown101> is 13.04 the latest kubuntu version?
[16:33] <cowbacon> !13.10
[16:33] <PrideAndSorrow> -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 259656 فبر 28  2013 /usr/lib/sudo/sudoers.so drfaustus@mhmdimstfa:~$
[16:33] <cowbacon> !13.10 | unknown101
[16:33] <jrib> PrideAndSorrow: and you're sure you haven't run any chmod commands?
[16:33] <unknown101> ubottu i am talking about kubuntu
[16:34] <littlegirl> A_J_: This Bash script I use to check my internal and external IP might be of some use to you in troubleshooting. It will at least tell you if you have an external IP at any given time: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6111139/
[16:34] <PrideAndSorrow> yep,pretty sure
[16:34] <cowbacon> !ot | unknown101
[16:34] <jrib> PrideAndSorrow: are you the only admin with sudo privileges on this system?
[16:34] <littlegirl> A_J_: Also, please look up the commands I used either on the internet or in their man pages just so you know that they won't do anything malicious to your machine.
[16:34] <PrideAndSorrow> tea,i'm
[16:35] <PrideAndSorrow> yes,i'm the only admin
[16:35] <jrib> PrideAndSorrow: what's the output of « ls -ld /usr/lib »?
[16:35] <unknown101> obunttu reply
[16:35] <falematte> Hi all, I want to know if is possible to not share windows between different workspaces. Better explained: I want 4 workspaces but i don't want windows to be half on one workspace and hal on the other. Each window should stay on a workspace. Anyone may help?
[16:36] <unknown101> ubottu
[16:36] <unknown101> ubottu reply
[16:36] <DJones> !bot | unknown101
[16:36] <PrideAndSorrow> here, drwxrwxrwx 196 root root 36864 سبت 14 14:24 /usr/lib
[16:36] <jrib> unknown101: ubottu is a program/bot/robot/machine
[16:36] <bazhang> unknown101, its a bot
[16:36] <unknown101> ik i was trying to see something
[16:36] <unknown101> btw its very inteligent
[16:36] <bazhang> unknown101, use /msg
[16:37] <unknown101> for?
[16:37] <quick--> falematte: Please don't repeat the question. Someone will answer if they know about it.
[16:37] <jrib> unknown101: to investigate with ubottu
[16:37] <bazhang> !msgthebot | unknown101
[16:38] <PrideAndSorrow> i also have linuxmint installed in this machine
[16:39] <unknown101> ok nice, i am at kubuntu's website and i clicked to download it..(ik i can upgrade ubuntu to kubuntu, but i want to format ubuntu) anyway my machine can handle 64 bit but kubuntu's website recommend me 32,any idea on what to download?
[16:39] <littlegirl> falematte: Is http://askubuntu.com/questions/48951/keep-windows-from-jumping-workspaces-when-they-request-focus of any use?
[16:39] <cowbacon> unknown101: if you can use 64 bit download the 64bit iso
[16:40] <unknown101> okay thanks
[16:40] <cowbacon> unknown101: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/raring/release/kubuntu-13.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[16:41] <PrideAndSorrow> no,but i dropped to root shel and typed chown commans
[16:41] <littlegirl> falematte: This one is old, but maybe it will work: http://superuser.com/questions/263151/assigning-applications-to-specific-workspaces
[16:42] <sec^nd> What is a good calendar app for ubuntu? I don't want to use google and I want to use caldav
[16:43] <MonkeyDust> sec^nd  try orage
[16:43] <bazhang> sec^nd, apt-cache search calendar and see
[16:44] <acidulous> sec^nd: rainlendar
[16:44] <bazhang> !info rainlendar | acidulous
[16:45] <svernagovich> ragazzi ho un problema con il plugin di flash...
[16:45] <acidulous> idk, i just googled linux calendars
[16:45] <MonkeyDust> !it
[16:45] <ingev> как называется русский канал убунту:?
[16:45] <bazhang> acidulous, its not an ubuntu package, please try to stick to those
[16:46] <bazhang> ingev, /join #ubuntu-ru
[16:48] <PrideAndSorrow> on typing in terminal ,i get this message:"sudo: /usr/lib/sudo/sudoers.so must be only be writable by owner sudo: fatal error, unable to load plugins"what can fix this
[16:48] <LordAioria> hi all, could you help me? I have created a self-signed certificate using PEM format and RSA public/private key .. then i have created a self-signed server application certificate . now .. i have 2 questions.... i have installed a tool inside apache : that says that is necessary to run it under HTTPS ..... is it necessary install CA certificate into "tomcat 7" ?? and next question ... How can i install this SSL certificate in tomca
[16:49] <sec^nd> acidulous: rainlender sucks
[16:49] <peppe90mg> ciaooooooooo
[16:49] <peppe90mg> !list
[16:51] <PrideAndSorrow> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6111245/
[16:53] <lvleph> It appears that my system was hacked and all file permission in / were changed to 777 is there are quick and easy way to set everything to proper permissions? Also, what are the proper permissions?
[16:55] <DJones> lvleph: Being honest, if your system has been hacked, the only safe thing to do is to take it off the internet immediately and then do a fresh install, no matter how careful you are trying to fix it, you can never be certain that you get everything thats been changed so you could spend days fixing but still be compromised
[16:55] <jrib> lvleph: if your system was hacked, you need to format and restore from known safe backups.
[16:56] <PrideAndSorrow>   what could fix this ?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6111245/
[16:56] <lvleph> I am still trying to figure out how it was hacked.