[01:16] <ardmncK1237> Hello, I want to install xfce4-mouse-settings but apt can only find the whole xfce4-settings. Why? Thanks in advance.
[01:17] <krytarik> Because it's part of the package.
[01:18] <ardmncK1237> Ah ok. So xfce4-mouse-settings can't be installed separately? I thought it was modular
[01:20] <krytarik> Well, it's a separate binary, yes - but packaging each binary individually...
[01:22] <ardmncK1237> Ok ok. However, thanks. I will just install the whole package. I was just trying to understand if it was me or the package just wasn't there.
[01:23] <ardmncK1237> Thanks bye
[01:24] <ardmncK1237> *or if the binary just wasn't there.
[01:24] <krytarik> Why would you need it for LXDE btw?
[01:28] <ardmncK1237> I need it because I want to disable the touchpad on my laptop. Lxde doesn't have that. That's actually the only reason why I'm installing that part of xfce.
[01:29] <ardmncK1237> For all the rest I love and use lxde, tho. It's so fast.
[01:29] <krytarik> So you tried this before and it worked?
[01:35] <ardmncK1237> You mean it I've ever tried to install xfce4-settings separately? Nope. But I thought it could be done.
[01:36] <ardmncK1237> Or do you mean if xfce4-mouse-settings did work before to disable the touchpad? Cuz well I just found out now that it doesn't work now. Why?
[01:36] <krytarik> Yes, I mean use the settings app of one desktop environment for another.
[01:36] <ardmncK1237> *You mean if I've ever
[01:36] <krytarik> That's why.
[01:36] <ardmncK1237> Oh
[01:37] <ardmncK1237> Then no I've never tried that
[01:37] <ardmncK1237> I didn't know it wouldn't work for another DE :/
[01:37] <ardmncK1237> Why is that?
[01:38] <krytarik> Because each one uses its own settings daemon.
[01:38] <ardmncK1237> Oh ok. How can I disable the touchpad on lxde then?
[01:38] <ardmncK1237> Disable permanently
[01:39] <ardmncK1237> It uses synaptics btw here
[01:39] <krytarik> There are numerous suggestions and ways on it posted on the interwebs.
[01:39] <ardmncK1237> Ok. I will have a look.
[01:40] <krytarik> And every time the question comes up, I again have to go look for the one I deem most proper.. >_>
[02:06] <ardmncK1237> Ok. I added 'synclient=MaxTapTime=0' into Autostart of LXsession configuration. It works.
[02:07] <ardmncK1237> *'synclient MaxTapTime=0'
[02:08] <ardmncK1237> (I actually wanted to disable the tap-to-click, not the whole touchpad's functionality).
[10:15] <ANAND> Greetings, I'd like to know whether Lubuntu 18.04 uses LXQt. If not, when will LXQt become main-stream?
[10:16] <diogenes_> wishwanathan anand?
[10:28] <ANAND> diogenes_, haha nope :)
[10:29] <diogenes_> ok :(
[10:30] <ANAND> Even better! (TM)
[11:10] <ChunkzZ> is there an app that can view my specs on a laptop? I just bought a samsung laptop and want to know if it's ddr3 and want to check other specs and so on.
[11:10] <ChunkzZ> I installed lubuntu 18 straight away on it.
[11:12] <diogenes_> ChunkzZ, run in terminal: inxi -Fxrc0
[11:15] <diogenes_> ChunkzZ, to find out memory type and stuff you run: sudo inxi -m
[11:15] <ChunkzZ> diogenes_, it says everything except the ram lol
[11:16] <diogenes_> i just gave you the command
[11:16] <diogenes_> sudo inxi -m
[11:16] <ChunkzZ> thanks! :D
[11:16] <diogenes_> yw
[11:16] <ChunkzZ> it says I have 4 slots, doubt that's correct?
[11:17] <ChunkzZ> I'll have to google, thanks diogenes_ :P
[11:18] <diogenes_> ChunkzZ, 4 slots it means you have only slots to insert the memory into, but you might have only one or two memory cards
[11:18] <diogenes_> that's a different story
[11:19] <ChunkzZ> yeah figured. :p
[11:20] <ChunkzZ> nice one though diogenes_ :)
[11:20] <diogenes_> indeed nice tool
[11:20] <ChunkzZ> I've emailed it myself so I don;t have to ask again
[11:21] <diogenes_> always take notes of commands and store them in a folder
[11:25] <ChunkzZ> yeah rather than that though i just email it myself, quicker and easier.
[11:25] <ChunkzZ> I'm shocked on how good lubuntu is with this pc tbh. it's only an i5 2nd gen and 2gb ram :P
[11:26] <ChunkzZ> gonna put an ssd in it and more ram
[11:26] <ChunkzZ> £20 from a local carboot.
[11:26] <ChunkzZ> needed a clean though
[11:26] <ChunkzZ> lol
[11:26] <ChunkzZ> anyway, thanks again diogenes_ you're a legend. /back to lurking
[11:27] <diogenes_> ChunkzZ, you're welcome :)
[11:28] <ANAND> Long live diogenes_ the legend!
[11:28] <diogenes_> ANAND, LOL hehe
[11:29] <ANAND> :P
[12:28] <testdr> hello, i checked the irc-logs and there was no entry about missing cpu-clock-frequency part of the indicator taskbar tool -- did i miss something? This tool was available in lubuntu-17.04, but seems now gone.
[14:32] <antis> Upgrade from 16.04/17.10 to 18.04 failing? -> "do-release-upgrade -d" runs into "unresolvable problem"
[15:25] <n-iCe> I installed lubuntu in a different way, minimal.iso selected minimal lxde desktop, is it lubuntu? haha
[16:24] <YADW1> Hello! I'm on lubuntu-desktop 16.04.4 LTS and I'm trying to make an external monitor work properly in extend mode. By now it just displays my desktop background (the center is wrong but bruh) and I can drag windows between the primary and the secondary monitor. The latter is missing panels, and oddly enough when I right click the lxde menu appears instead of the one of lubuntu
[16:25] <YADW1> Arandr is not of much help
[16:26] <YADW1> Can anybody suggest me what should I do to make it work in the right way?
[17:11] <laptop> does lubuntu 18.04 contain better graphics drivers
[17:11] <wxl> 18.04 does include updates to the kernel, so quite possibly
[17:11] <wxl> they certainly shouldn't be getting worse
[17:14] <laptop> what about for the ancient intel gma 4500
[17:14] <laptop> i am wondering if there is anyway to implement those drivers for 18.04 for 16.04
[17:15] <n-iCe> I installed minimal.iso and lxde package
[17:15] <n-iCe> but looks different
[17:23] <ChunkzZ> any idea when lubuntu-next is going to be released??
[17:24] <ChunkzZ> 18.04 looks the same here n-iCe, using lubuntu/minimal too.
[17:24] <wxl> lubuntu as lxqt-only should be released next cycle
[17:25] <ChunkzZ> wxl, next cycle? what does that mean?
[17:26] <wxl> ChunkzZ: next version
[17:26] <krytarik> October this year.
[17:26] <ChunkzZ> next version? next versiob od what?
[17:26] <ChunkzZ> of*
 18.10.
[17:26] <krytarik> Lubuntu...
 Lubuntu 18.10 is LXQt.
[17:27] <ChunkzZ> 18.10 oh :P should've said that lol
[17:27] <ChunkzZ> I thought it'd be better if LXQt was released under LTS...
[17:27] <ChunkzZ> no?
 No.
 We need to iron out things before releasing to users.
 So it's the opposite.
[17:28] <ChunkzZ> ahh alright :)
[17:29] <JohnDoe_71Rus> https://i.imgur.com/hYYD6F3.jpg 18.04 lxqt netinstall. so sad
[17:30] <ChunkzZ> nice old monitor JohnDoe_71Rus :P
[17:35] <JohnDoe_71Rus> i have more old. Nec 1535vi  2001-2 year production :)
[17:38] <JohnDoe_71Rus> so they don't know window manager and ask user
 No, it's a bug.
[21:47] <littlegirl> Hi I have a question about lubuntu 18.04 installation
[21:48] <littlegirl> is there anyone who can answer me?
[21:48] <diogenes_> !ask
[21:58] <littlegirl> Ok sorry I was not aware of the rules. the problem is that I downloaded lubuntu-18.04-desktop-amd64.iso and tried to install it on virtualbox, but when I try to install lubuntu, the desktop does not load normally and I encounter a mixed desktop that I cannot do anything with it. here it the screenshot: https://pasteboard.co/HjYQWCj.png
[21:59] <diogenes_> littlegirl, try open devices and install gues additions
[22:00] <diogenes_> then reboot the VM
[22:06] <littlegirl> but I recieved this error: Could not mount the media/drive 'C:\Program Files\Oracle\VirtualBox/VBoxGuestAdditions.iso' (VERR_PDM_MEDIA_LOCKED).
[22:07] <wxl> this sounds like you're having a problem with virtualbox rather than lubuntu
[22:07] <littlegirl> received*
[22:07] <diogenes_> so your VM is on windows?
[22:07] <diogenes_> yep, virtualbox is faulty
[22:08] <littlegirl> but there is no problem in using lubuntu 17.10.1 :|
[22:08] <littlegirl> yes it's installed on windows
[22:08] <wxl> that said we do occassionally run into weird issues with virtual machines. if you toggle from a tty and back (hold right control and hit f1, then release, then hold right control and hit f7) the iso should behave fine
[22:08] <n-iCe> hi wxl
[22:08] <wxl> hey n-iCe
[22:09] <n-iCe> how are you? do you remember me?
[22:09] <n-iCe> I just bought finally a new laptop.
[22:10] <wxl> i'm good and yes
[22:19] <littlegirl> when I reset the vm the install page appears completely, but when I reset again the same problem occurs. So it seems I have problem using 18.04, so I wanted to ask if I continue to use lubuntu 17.10.1, will there be any problem? I mean will there be any issue because of not upgrading to the latest version? because I'm working on a project on lubuntu and I don't want to lose or damage my data and configuration that I have made on l
[22:19] <wxl> the problem you're experiencing is a graphics issue specific to virtualbox. it doesn't affect our data
[22:20] <wxl> that said, 17.10.1 will continue to be supported, but not as long as 18.04, nor will it have the latest software packages
[22:21] <littlegirl> Ok so I will try to upgrade my virtualbox to the latest version and see if the problem still persists. thank you
[22:21] <wxl> the problem will likely persist but not after you have the system installed
[22:23] <littlegirl> So if I can install the lubuntu 18.04, the problem will be solved?
[22:23] <wxl> yep
[22:23] <littlegirl> ok so I will try again
[22:43] <littlegirl> I could install Lubuntu 18.04 finally. It seems that the problem is solved for now. thank you for ur support :)
[22:44] <diogenes_> and how did you solve it?
[22:46] <littlegirl> I reseted the vm several times and at last the install page appeared. I installed Lubuntu as wxl said and the problem is disappeared for now.
[22:46] <diogenes_> cool


[04:58] <emdub> cjwatson: do you know if #855921 was supposed to be resolved in precise?  i am seeing the same bug in 12.04-server.
[08:11] <xnox> bug 855921
[08:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 855921 in netcfg "does not honor netcfg/choose_interface in preseed" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855921
[16:16] <bdmurray> ev: bug 1018032 might be worth looking at
[16:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1018032 in apport "Unable to file crash report in Quantal" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1018032
[16:17] <ev> bdmurray: yeah, a few people have pointed that out. Haven't had a chance to look at it yet. Unrelated to errors.ubuntu.com (it refers to Launchpad as a crash database), but I'll see what I can come up with if pitti doesn't beat me to it.
[21:33] <CIA-12> ubiquity: stgraber * r5523 ubiquity/ubiquity/ (nm.py plugins/ubi-wireless.py): Merge fix for bug 929092 by James M. Leddy
[21:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 929092 in oem-priority/quantal "ubiquity crashed with DBusException in call_blocking(): org.freedesktop.DBus.GLib.UnmappedError.NmSettingWirelessSecurityErrorQuark.Code1: Failed to determine AP security information" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/929092
[21:34] <stgraber> hmm, looks like we no longer run pyflakes? Merging that branch pyflakes actually found an unused import in ubi-wireless that's been there for a little while
[21:35] <cjwatson> We certainly do
[21:35] <CIA-12> ubiquity: stgraber * r5524 ubiquity/ubiquity/plugins/ubi-wireless.py: Unused import
[21:35] <cjwatson> clean: check
[21:35] <cjwatson> and
[21:35] <cjwatson> check:
[21:35] <cjwatson> ...
[21:35] <cjwatson>         ./tests/run-pyflakes
[21:36] <stgraber> stgraber@castiana:~/data/code/ubiquity/ubiquity$ tests/run-pyflakes
[21:36] <stgraber> stgraber@castiana:~/data/code/ubiquity/ubiquity$ pyflakes ubiquity/plugins/ubi-wireless.py
[21:36] <stgraber> ubiquity/plugins/ubi-wireless.py:33: 'nm' imported but unused
[21:36] <stgraber> stgraber@castiana:~/data/code/ubiquity/ubiquity$
[21:37] <stgraber> oh, it's in .excludes... wondering why...
[21:38] <stgraber> ev added it to the exclude list, though AFAICS, pyflakes is actually right, nm isn't used in __init__
[21:38] <cjwatson> eh, must have made sense at one point
[21:39] <stgraber> yeah... anyway, will drop it from the exclude list too then
[21:39] <cjwatson> I wonder if there was something about importing the module having side-effects
[21:39] <CIA-12> ubiquity: stgraber * r5525 ubiquity/tests/pyflakes.exclude: Drop ubi-wireless from pyflakes exclude list
[21:39] <cjwatson> Which it does seem to, although I don't know if they're relevant
[21:40] <cjwatson> It registers the NetworkManagerWidget type
[21:40] <cjwatson> Which is used by the wireless UI.  I think you may be incorrect to remove it
[21:40] <cjwatson> But it could use a comment!
[21:40] <stgraber> sounds like it, will revert my change and add a comment :)
[21:41] <cjwatson> Maybe something should artificially reference something in the module as a neater way to silence pyflakes
[21:42] <cjwatson> Also, is ~/data/code/ just to mess with people's heads when you paste something?
[21:43] <infinity> cjwatson: Where does your build junk live?
[21:43] <cjwatson> ~/src/ubuntu/
[21:43] <infinity> ~/build/$project is vaguely a standard in my house.
[21:43] <CIA-12> ubiquity: stgraber * r5526 ubiquity/ (tests/pyflakes.exclude ubiquity/plugins/ubi-wireless.py): Turns out, this 'unused' import is actually required to register NetworkManagerWidget. Revert last two commits and add a comment to ubi-wireless.
[21:46] <CIA-12> ubiquity: stgraber * r5527 ubiquity/debian/changelog: Add missing changelog entry for James' change.


[01:14] <fairuz> pagi
[14:10] <jipang_menjerit> ping
[14:14] <angch> pong
[14:14] <jipang_menjerit> hey angch..long time no ping
[14:14] <jipang_menjerit> lol
[14:15] <angch> more active during office hours in #myoss
[14:16] <jipang_menjerit> seems to me like ghost city to me
[14:17] <jipang_menjerit> people prefer on faceboor or whatsapp rather here
[14:17] <angch> depends. different channels for different topics.
[14:18] <jipang_menjerit> wonder if we *still* got plan for 14.04 release
[14:19] <angch> Yeah, get ready to ban stupid leechers.
[14:20] <angch> This time around the mirror is at office 20mbps. Hope can tahan.
[14:20] <jipang_menjerit> dengg
[14:20] <angch> Heh, everytime we moved hosting and eased up on our throttling and a new release got released, the DC people thought ddos.
[14:21] <angch> Even no plan also, the .iso *is* popular. Quite a number of downloads in Malaysia.
[14:21] <angch> Mainstream now, too popular, no need to special party.
[14:21] <jipang_menjerit> ubuntu.tuxuri eh?
[14:22] <angch> yeah
[14:22] <jipang_menjerit> I haven't used local mirror quite a long time
[14:22] <jipang_menjerit> so, banyak lost..lol
[14:23] <jipang_menjerit> just host the update file then
[14:23] <angch> the main ubuntu download page auto geo ip redirects to local mirror.
[14:24] <jipang_menjerit> i see
[14:24] <angch> http://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt always dynamically lists the local mirrors.
[14:24] <angch> only oscc still going strong.
[14:24] <angch> (and us)
[14:25] <jipang_menjerit> I'm not sure how long oscc can last
[14:25] <angch> Still... use torrents, please.  Coz we normally seed, and we can easily throttle the seeding bandwidth easier compared with webserver.
[14:29] <angch> And it *does* help, coz if 10 currently downloading from us, they can still download from each other while grabbing from us. otherwise, *we* are the bottleneck.
[14:30] <jipang_menjerit> haha..I get you
[14:30] <jipang_menjerit> same problem at oscc
[14:30] <angch> Those jokers config'd their (http) downloaders to be mega aggressive.
[14:30] <jipang_menjerit> but I remember last time we ask for additional bandwith
[14:31] <angch> bandwidht so bloody hard to get....
[14:31] <jipang_menjerit> I heard there's T3 DC at cyberjaya
[14:32] <jipang_menjerit> or T4, can't remember
[14:33] <angch> Most of us gave up on local DC.
[14:37]  * jipang_menjerit understand


[00:06] <rick_h_>  snap-l woot!
[00:37] <snap-l> Yeah, happy happy.
[01:49] <snap-l> Yay Ceph Talk for March MUG Meeting
[02:00] <rick_h_> woot
[03:43] <greg-g> cool, we're making use of Ceph here
[03:44] <greg-g> you know, it feels good to work for a legit tech company now ;)
[03:44] <snap-l> Heh
[03:44] <snap-l> AS opposed to "OMG, please don't screw things up or we'll be screwed"?
[03:45] <greg-g> basically, and more :)
[04:19] <jrwren> what you using ceph for?
[04:20]  * greg-g shrugs
[04:20] <greg-g> :)
[04:22] <greg-g> jrwren: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Media_storage
[04:45] <jrwren> ty
[04:45] <jrwren> so only media files.
[04:45] <jrwren> damn, was hoping for everything :)
[04:48] <snap-l> heh
[12:52] <rick_h_> morning
[12:54] <snap-l> mornng
[12:55] <rick_h_> got the shovels out and ready
[12:56] <rick_h_> come on snow!!!!
[12:56] <rick_h_> that radar looks pretty with all those colors :P
[13:01] <rick_h_> bah, sounds like it's moved to later in the day
[14:09] <snap-l> Again: I have a board meeting. The later the better. :)
[14:53] <jrwren> anyone have thoughts on how libvirt and ganeti fit together? or don't they? are they competing? complementary?
[14:54] <jrwren> nvm. ganeti is google's non-libvirt
[14:55] <rick_h_> yea, not really read much on ganeti but looking now it seems competing to an extent
[15:19] <jrwren> just saw it referenced in that how we use ceph post by jcastro
[15:21] <jcastro> do they use ganeti?
[15:22] <jcastro> jrwren: I am lunching with sellers this week yo
[15:23] <jrwren> they support it.
[15:23] <jrwren> ganeti can point directly to rados for storage.
[15:23] <jrwren> http://ceph.com/community/ceph-comes-to-synnefo-and-ganeti/  linked from your http://ceph.com/dev-notes/deploying-ceph-with-juju/
[15:23] <jrwren> !!! Have fun with Sellers.
[15:23] <jrwren> make him wine you and dine you :)
[15:25] <jcastro> oh, in the intro
[15:25] <jcastro> I totally missed that link
[15:27] <snap-l> jcastro: Did you see on G+ that we're having Patrick McGarry talk about Ceph in March?
[15:27] <snap-l> Apparently he'll be doing a demo using something called "Juju"
[15:27] <jrwren> lol
[15:28] <rick_h_> hah
[15:28] <snap-l> I swear, people must think we have verbal ticks whenever we have conversations
[15:28] <snap-l> "ceph comes to synneinfo an ganeti using juju deploy"
[15:29] <snap-l> berp de derp derp
[15:32] <jcastro> hah yeah
[15:33] <jrwren> ceph could be wonderful.
[15:34] <jrwren> a radosgw s3 bridge could be sweet which mirrors your radosgw content to s3.
[15:34] <jrwren> although I guess you could do that app level easily enough
[15:52] <rick_h_> very cool, pushing Go to the limits and cool to see A2 hosting on there as signed on to support it http://r.bmark.us/u/17752200544930
[15:54] <snap-l> Nice!
[15:56] <snap-l> x10Hosting <- Wonder if that's web over powerlines.
[15:56] <snap-l> hey turn a04 on
[15:56] <snap-l> heyu, rather
[16:08] <jcastro> rick_h_: man, railgun looks badass
[16:14] <jcastro> rick_h_: filed a bug on it for a charm
[16:21] <jrwren>  the CSP v. threaded C++ comment shows a fundamental lack of understanding by either the code author, or the article author
[16:39] <greg-g> man, bugzilla is annoying
[16:40] <greg-g> I can't believe I'm going to say it, but, LP spoiled me :)
[16:44] <snap-l> Bugzilla is when you care more about reporting than filing bugs
[16:45] <snap-l> And dare I say it: more than fixing bugs. *cough*
[16:45] <greg-g> or getting bugs backported to a specific release, apparently
[16:45] <greg-g> fucking tags and shit
[16:48] <snap-l> Yeah, Bugzilla reminded me of the IT forms from Ford under Remedy
[16:49] <snap-l> Lots of fields that may or may not apply, but supported one workflow that (god help you) you better follow or bad juju occurs.
[16:53] <greg-g> yeah
[16:53] <jrwren> zomg Remedy
[16:53] <greg-g> and you have to remember so much...
[16:53]  * jrwren has flashbackes
[16:54] <snap-l> jrwren: Supported some of the patches that Ford did to that system using Perl.
[16:57] <jrwren> i only had to use it.
[16:57] <jrwren> that was bad enough
[16:57] <rick_h_> 50% off http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920027072.do
[17:25] <rick_h_> shuttleworth on stage http://www.mobileworldlive.com/mobile-world-live-tv-live-stream
[17:30] <snap-l> I want this guys hair
[17:31] <rick_h_> http://www.weather.com/weather/map/interactive/48346:4?interactiveMapLayer=radar&baseMap=r&zoom=7 lol, ever feel like a wave is coming at you?
[17:31] <snap-l> Not looking forward to this.
[17:32] <jcastro> hah yeah
[17:32] <jcastro> it's raining here right now
[17:32] <rick_h_> yea, it's showing 33 here, hoping we get just full snow
[17:32] <rick_h_> but sounds like rain for a couple of hours until it turns to snow :(
[17:32] <snap-l> Yeah, that's how it's supposed to start
[17:33] <snap-l> so it'll be a nice wet sheet to freeze under a pile of snow
[17:33] <rick_h_> yea, nothing like a solid ice base layer to help out the shoveling later
[17:33] <jcastro> hah yeah
[17:34] <jrwren> any reprepro users?
[17:34] <snap-l> jrwren: No. What's that?
[17:34] <jrwren> very nice repo mirror tool
[17:34] <jrwren> but i can't figure quite how to get it to filter the way I want.
[17:34] <rick_h_> no, when I did a deb mirror I just did full deb mirror
[17:35] <jrwren> I want an ubuntu mirror minus x11,games,video,kde,gnome Sections
[17:35] <jrwren> and then I'd also like to filter some packages out too
[17:35] <jcastro> have you seen ubumirror in the archive?
[17:35] <jrwren> no
[17:36] <jcastro> https://launchpad.net/ubumirror
[17:36] <jcastro> I don't know the specifics, but I would start there
[17:36] <jcastro> or just set up a proxy and you'd only ever mirror on demand
[17:36] <jrwren> thanks.
[17:36] <snap-l> jcastro: BTW: Oakland's mirror is behind
[17:36] <snap-l> severely.
[17:37] <jrwren> in the proxy case, I'm worried about stale things getting deleted that I actually want to keep around
[17:37] <jrwren> yeah, ubumirror is not what I want.
[17:37] <jrwren> no partial support
[17:38] <rick_h_> what's the use case? I tried the 'mirror what I use' but then it's basically always slow when I use it since i'm not loading 100 machines with the same package sets
[17:39] <jrwren> use case is datacenter with lots of ubuntu servers.
[17:39] <jrwren> and I don't want to waste space
[17:39] <rick_h_> meh, in a DC, how much space are you talking?
[17:39] <jrwren> i mean really, I don't want terabytes of gnome/kde stuff when I'll always be server only
[17:39] <snap-l> jrwren: What's the climate for creating an official mirror?
[17:40] <jrwren> we don't have bandwidth to spare
[17:40] <rick_h_> jrwren: all 64bit?
[17:40] <jrwren> yes, all 64bit
[17:40] <jrwren> only amd64/main
[17:41] <rick_h_> I wonder how big it is. I just find something saying full mirror was around 248GB, but I bet that's both 32/64bit
[17:41] <jrwren> even if I only save 1/4 of that, it is worth it IMO. for moving the VM around, backup, etc.
[17:42] <rick_h_> yea, gotcha.  They just put stubs in there to do curl.
[17:45] <snap-l> Oh wait, that's Ruby.
[17:45] <rick_h_> yea, those packages need to diaf
[17:45] <jrwren> mirror github
[17:45] <rick_h_> now you're talking
[17:45] <snap-l> git clone github
[17:46] <rick_h_> tar czf github.tar.gz git://
[17:46] <jcastro> jrwren: a full mirror isn't as big as you'd think
[17:46] <jcastro> it's like, way under a TB
[17:47] <jcastro> iirc at OU it was like 300GB and we were carrying i386 and a bunch of other crap
[17:47] <rick_h_> right, that's what I mean. set aside 500GB and just always have everythign you need and pull the internet plug without worry
[17:47] <jcastro> though, I prefer to just run squid-deb-proxy and set an apt config (though probably without zeroconf in a server setting)
[17:47] <rick_h_> nothing worse than needing one thing that's not in the bucket when you need it
[17:48] <jcastro> yeah, but in a server setting you have the machines cronning the updates
[17:48] <jcastro> you only need one machine to go before yours.
[17:48] <jcastro> though that doesn't help when you want like 34503984GB of eclipse and no one else has done that yet
[17:49] <jcastro> but IME, the machine after the first kickstart sucks, after that, it's mostly good
[17:49] <jrwren> we have a list of concerns a mile long when it comes to this.
[17:49] <jrwren> we know what we want. we aren't sure best way to get it.
[17:49] <jcastro> are you coming to lunch?
[17:49] <jcastro> wait, you work with sellers right?
[17:50] <jrwren> yes.
[17:50] <jrwren> he didn't invite me, so I guess not.
[17:50] <jcastro> lol
[18:02] <rick_h_> man, this is actually kind of interestnig to listen to these three discuss the phone platforms
[18:02] <rick_h_> err, interesting
[18:02] <rick_h_> I keep thinking I'll just turn it off...but nope
[18:06] <jcastro> yeah
[18:06] <jcastro> I know
[18:22] <jrwren> for the record, reprepro is awesome. I needed to learn that , is the and operator in the stupid deb selection language
[18:22] <jrwren> | and , instead of | and &. strange at first, but i'll admit it isn't bad
[18:25] <rick_h_> coolio
[18:25] <rick_h_> love it when taking 20min to tinker pays off
[18:26] <rick_h_> jcastro: gotta say Mark wins the keyword wars. Afterwards everyone is using his phrasing "lustful experiences..." lol
[18:26] <jcastro> hah
[18:26] <jcastro> the commenters are right though
[18:26] <jcastro> a bunch of things left unanswered, etc.
[18:27] <rick_h_> yep, but I think some of that comes to the platforms 'secret sauce'
[18:27] <jrwren> why does open source need secret sauce?
[18:27] <rick_h_> but I love how Mark is like "our research shows..."  Meant more cool that hangouts have come along
[19:25] <jcastro> greg-g: there will be team sprints still
[19:25] <rick_h_> greg-g: I'm not sure. I know there are still sprints, but not sure about a real all hands like that.
[19:25] <greg-g> yeah, we use em here a lot for meetings, but hose are mostly 2-5 people
[19:25] <jcastro> but we haven't had a full all hands since Spain
[19:25] <greg-g> gotcha
[19:25] <greg-g> oh, really? huh
[19:25] <greg-g> good to know
[19:25] <jcastro> G+ every 3 months instead
[19:26] <jcastro> so we'll be more agile too
[19:26] <greg-g> cool
[19:26] <greg-g> bbiab, lunch meeting
[19:27] <snap-l> greg-g: Oh nuts... I think I deleted that. :)
[19:29] <snap-l> Just forwarded.
[19:29] <snap-l> This is awesome
[19:30] <snap-l> ALthough there go my dreams of ever being a part of the Ubuntu all-stars
[19:30] <snap-l> Les Sob
[19:33] <rick_h_> heh, well at least I made 3 days of a UDS before they were killed off
[19:35] <snap-l> It makes more sense, honestly
[19:35] <snap-l> It'll be interesting to see how the Global Jam works out this weekend
[19:41] <dzho> nice way to get google in there are essential infrastructure
[19:42] <dzho> s/are/as/
[19:44] <snap-l> Would you prefer Skype? :)
[19:44] <dzho> heh
[19:45] <rick_h_> no multi user video on skype for linux :(
[19:47] <snap-l> rick_h_: Snark begets snark. :)
[19:47] <rick_h_> :P
[19:47] <rick_h_> snap-l: no snow yet :(
[19:48] <widox> lovely freezing rain here :-/
[19:48] <jrwren> assuming the output of this command is correct, I'll have an 8.5GB mirror :)
[19:48] <jrwren> reprepro -V --noskipold checkupdate | grep ^Size | awk '{sum+=$2}END{print sum}'
[19:49] <jrwren> no java, no kde, no gnome, no qt, no gtk, no games, no sound, no tex, no video, no x11 makes for a small ubunt u:)
[19:50] <jrwren> hell, I could fit it on a DL DVD
[19:50] <jrwren> tempting :)
[19:50] <rick_h_> I remember when I would install debian from their little 50mb cd
[19:50] <rick_h_> used to love that
[19:50] <jrwren> yup
[19:51] <jrwren> or netinst from 2 floppy boot
[19:51] <jrwren> LLOVED that
[19:51] <dzho> rootboot, huzzah
[19:51] <jrwren> kernel on 1 floppy, root/inst on second floppy - and the rest from net :)
[19:51] <jrwren> which is not much diffent from todays pxe & minimal boot insts
[19:52] <jrwren> oh yeah, no libreoffice or openoffice, those are large.
[19:54] <snap-l> I remember when it was all Slackware diskettes as far as the eye could see
[19:54] <snap-l> network installs and upgrades were for weenies.
[19:57] <jrwren> that was never true
[20:20] <rick_h_> pixel reviews...man if my wife's EMR worked on Chrome I'd have gotten this vs the thinkpad for her I think http://r.bmark.us/u/26761b11b86272
[20:24] <rick_h_> kind of cool, can read with the 'publisher font' on the kindle night light' so reading python cookbook with oreilly font choice.
[20:40] <greg-g> so not happy with this Dell XPS 13
[20:41] <jcastro> what? you went non thinkpad?
[20:42] <greg-g> yeah, not happy (work laptop)
[20:42] <greg-g> I didn't really have a choice
[20:43] <jcastro> nod
[20:43] <jcastro> I mean, theoretically you'd think it'd be awesome
[20:43] <greg-g> blegh, if I wanted to have a Macbook Air but couldn't afford it, or something
[20:45] <rick_h_> greg-g: :(
[21:51] <rick_h_> the trifecta is complete. rain to ice to snow
[21:52] <greg-g> yum
[21:59] <jcastro> hey greg-g what's your tldr on this thing? https://gitorious.org/copyleft-next/copyleft-next/blobs/raw/master/Releases/copyleft-next-0.2.0
[21:59] <jcastro> ever hear of it?
[22:13] <greg-g> hahaha
[22:14] <greg-g> so, fontana (red hat lawyer, persistent instigator of bkuhn) is drafting an updated copyleft license for reasons that are opaque.
[22:14] <greg-g> theories:
[22:14] <greg-g> 1) license as art, especially the repurcussions/discussions around it with especially bkuhn
[22:15] <greg-g> 2) legitamately address nagging legal issues with copyleft licesnses (esp GPL)
[22:15] <greg-g> 3) something else
[22:15] <greg-g> jcastro: ^
[22:16] <greg-g> I follow him on identi.ca, and the discussions are hilarious
[22:16] <greg-g> he's always trolling bkuhn, and tagging his posts #notatroll or #trulynotatroll
[22:16] <greg-g> so good, comedy gold
[22:16] <greg-g> he trolls bkuhn so well because they, I believe, are actually pretty good friends in real life
[22:30] <rick_h_> sweet, fun drive to go pick up the wife from work. I'll be back out later. Nice and slick.
[22:58] <jcastro> greg-g: ok so they want a session @ UDS to discuss this license for ubuntu developers
[22:58] <jcastro> I'm thinking this is a waste of time
[23:36] <greg-g> jcastro: lol, saw that on identi.ca
[23:36] <greg-g> jcastro: license development that are strictly OSI approved/approvable shouldn't be a concern of Ubuntu, right
[23:37] <jcastro> this doesn't even look real
[23:38] <greg-g> jcastro: real as in?
[23:38] <jcastro> this whole thing
[23:38] <jcastro> looks like satire to me
[23:38] <greg-g> jcastro: right, option 1
[23:38] <greg-g> :)
[23:51] <snap-l> I think it's just trolling, personally
[23:52] <snap-l> Anytime I've ever engaged with Fontana, I have a hard time figuring out if he's trolling me, or if he's being serious
[23:53] <jcastro> well then, he can go through the normal submission process, shrug
[23:55] <snap-l> Speaking of performance as art: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/199fuq/falcon_pro_developer_increases_app_price_to_13213/


[20:05] <Unit193> ochosi: That was more geared to Sean.  In sync with Debian, as Debian disables the gsettings backend we also won't have it unless we break being in sync with Debian.  Since we don't really push it or enable it...Well.
[20:47] <ochosi> oh ok, i thought syncing settings to xfconf... :'D
[20:47] <Unit193> No, that's https://gitlab.xfce.org/xfce/xfconf/-/issues/17 sort of.
[20:47] <ubot3> Issue 17 in xfce/xfconf "GSettings backend enabled by default and no migration script" [Opened]
[21:47] <Unit193> ochosi: ...If you're really on track with that timeline, that might be soon enough to get it into Bullseye.
[21:51] <ochosi> yup, still aiming for that
[21:51] <Unit193> ...Pretty sure I'm going to have to package most of it. :/
[21:59] <ochosi> lucky you!
[22:03] <ochosi> but then tons of people will benefit from it
[22:03] <Unit193> ...Not if I break all of Xfce!
[22:03] <ochosi> and tbh 2020 is in desperate need of some good stuff too...
[22:04] <Unit193> ...We got snow today, does that count?!
[22:04]  * Unit193 runs off.
[22:04] <ochosi> weeeee, how nice
[22:04] <Unit193> I think it's just the gir lockstep update which will be fun right now, but such is life.
[22:15] <Unit193> awordnot: Sorry I haven't gotten to it, a bit under the weather.  With .8 due to be released very soon I believe I may as well wait for that.
[22:15] <awordnot> Unit193: ok, no worries at all
[22:32] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: libxfce4ui 4.15.8 released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-libxfce4ui-4-15-8-released-tp59662.html (by Simon Steinbeiss)
[22:33] <Unit193> ...Speak of the devil.
[22:39] <ochosi> since when is 4ui the devil?
[22:39] <Unit193> Common turn of phrase?
[22:40] <ochosi> yeah yeah ... :]
[23:08] <awordnot> Unit193: pushed .8 for whenever you get the chance (but again, no rush at all)
[23:08] <Unit193> Doing 4util now, so hopefully 4ui will shortly follow.
[23:09] <awordnot> +1
[23:37] <Unit193> ...Note to self: Make sure you're in the new package directory when doing a testbuild, less confusion over why it's now failing the gir stuff.