[00:03] <darkxst> jbicha, its working here
[00:04] <darkxst> not sure if I am running the same version of g-c-c though
[11:41] <darkxst> jbicha, can you test the new g-c-c on my ppa?
[11:41] <darkxst> should be pretty good now
[11:42] <darkxst> particularly interested if you still get a crash in activity-log, since I haven't been able to reproduce that
[13:18] <arpu> darkxst,  hello again i see today i get gedit 3.8.0 and gedit-plugins 3.8.1
[13:54] <phako> hey, you might want to recompile rygel against tracker 0.16 to avoid https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rygel/+bug/1158535
[14:42] <camelinahat> Will any other 3.8 packages be promoted from Staging to the main gnome3 ppa? Or everything left has the known regressions? (in particular I'm curious about gnome-terminal but others as well)
[14:51] <jbicha_> camelinahat: we haven't figured out how to get new tabs to open with the same current working directory with gnome-terminal 3.8 yet
[14:52] <mgedmin> that would be a nasty regression
[15:15] <gdtr54trgfd> Hi, I'm having a little problem. I've got a 1gb usb key and I'm using unetbootin to load ubuntu-gnome in it. But seems like there's no sufficient space for it.
[15:21] <tommie-lie> jbicha_: does the solution provided in the changelog for gnome-terminal 3.7.0 not work?
[15:26] <atrus> tommie-lie: where? 3.7.0 doesn't seem to be mentioned in /usr/share/doc/gnome-terminal/changelog.gz
[15:26] <tommie-lie> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-terminal/tree/NEWS
[15:27] <tommie-lie> you're right, it's not the usual Changelog file, that only seems to contain formatted commit messages when compiled
[15:28] <atrus> i don't see this "__vte_ps1" script anywhere...
[15:29] <atrus> oh, i see.
[15:29] <tommie-lie> it's a shell function
[15:29] <tommie-lie> and is included in libvte
[15:29] <atrus> i don't seem to have that function defined though, which is odd.
[15:30] <atrus> does something automatically invoke things in /etc/profile.d/ ?
[15:30] <tommie-lie> don't POSIX shells do?
[15:31] <atrus> maybe this was only introduced to the package recently, and i need to logout/login again?
[15:31] <atrus> if i start a new login shell, i do get it.
[15:31] <tommie-lie> ah, all Bourne shells, actually
[15:32] <tommie-lie> they execute /etc/profile and this calls all scripts from profile.d
[15:34] <atrus> logging out and logging in didn't help, I still don't have that function defined in new gnome-terminals.
[15:34] <ricotz> darkxst, seems to works :)
[15:35] <tommie-lie> atrus: I'm just checking in which version vte.sh was introduced
[15:36] <atrus> vte.sh is here, and it's in /etc/profile.d
[15:36] <atrus> if i ssh to localhost, OR just source that file, I get the __vte_ps1 function defined.
[15:36] <tommie-lie> then just starting a new bash should provide __vte_ps1
[15:36] <atrus> but it's not defined in terminals launched from gnome-shell (launched by gnome-session launched by gdm...)
[15:36] <tommie-lie> that's odd
[15:38] <atrus> does the function need to be exported?
[15:38] <atrus> can functions even be inherited by non-shell child processes?
[15:39] <atrus> if i start a bash *login* shell (ie, bash -l), it does source those files.
[15:39] <tommie-lie> uhm, ok, I can reproduce your behavior, even logging in on a TTY gives me the function, gnome-terminals don't
[15:39] <tommie-lie> yep
[15:39] <atrus> yeah, gnome-terminal shells aren't login shells.
[15:39] <atrus> ie, putting this in profile.d is probably the wrong solution.
[15:40] <atrus> does this work outside of ubuntu?
[15:41] <lukepl> hi
[15:42] <lukepl> i would like to upgrade my ubuntu 13.xx to ubuntu-gnome
[15:42] <tommie-lie> atrus: dunno, this might actually be a "bug" in the NEWS file, you probably have to source vte.sh first in .bashrc
[15:42] <lukepl> but cant find desc how to do it on the ubuntu gnome webpage
[15:43] <lukepl> am i blind ... or it is not how it suppose to go
[15:43] <lukepl> like i shoul reinstall entire OS
[15:43] <atrus> following up on bugzilla 675987
[15:43] <tommie-lie> atrus: otoh, the package bash-completion installs /etc/profile.d/bash_completion.sh, which then would also only work on login shells
[15:44] <atrus> tommie-lie: that just sets environment variables, which can be inherited by child processes
[15:45] <atrus> functions cannot be exported to child processes AFAIK, only sub-shells.
[15:45] <tommie-lie> atrus: actually it sources /usr/share/bash-completion/bash_completion which defines some functions, I also have it enabled in my .bashrc, so I don't know if I have them because I am supposed to have them
[15:46] <atrus> tommie-lie: ah, yes. it looks like my .bashrc has that as well, as a standard bit
[15:46] <tommie-lie> yep
[15:46] <tommie-lie> _userland is from the completion stuff, for instance
[15:47] <atrus> so, the workaround is simple enough, source /etc/profile.d/vte.sh from .bashrc. but the documentation for the workaround is entirely wrong :)
[15:47] <tommie-lie> yep
[15:49] <tommie-lie> you could still add it to /etc/bash.bashrc which is read for non-interactive non-login shells
[15:49] <atrus> with that, and the other .bashrc trick (actually setting PS1), the workaround does appear to work for me (with ubuntu 13.04 + gnome3 ppa + gnome3-staging ppa)
[15:50] <tommie-lie> I don't think this should be considered a workaround, it's the way it#s intended to work (minus explicitly sourcing vte.sh)
[15:51] <tommie-lie> actually I think it's a much cleaner solution than having vte/gnome-terminal setting the environment accordingly
[15:51] <tommie-lie> plus the user can decide wether to have his own shell use it or not
[15:56] <tommie-lie> atrus: I wonder why nobody noticed this and has reported it somewhere
[15:57] <tommie-lie> at least I can't find anything about it
[15:58] <tommie-lie> atrus: after having said that, I found<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:13] <mgedmin> this is https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=675987, right?
[16:13] <atrus> gonggggg showwwww
[16:14] <mgedmin> or, rather, a side effect of that bug being resolved
[16:14] <atrus> yeah.
[16:17] <mgedmin> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=697475 is a more useful bug to follow
[16:50] <Madonna> hi all
[16:54] <Madonna> anyone is here?
[16:57] <phako> yes
[16:59] <atrus> !anybody
[17:00] <Madonna> Could you tell me how to install Ubuntu Gnome in Ubuntu Unity?
[17:11] <mgedmin> Madonna, install the ubuntu-gnome-desktop package
[17:12] <mgedmin> with Software Center (or apt-get install, if you prefer the command line)
[17:12] <camelinahat> In addition to above, check out the recent article by OMG Ubuntu: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/04/gnome-3-8-ppa-for-ubuntu-gnome
[17:15] <Madonna> ok, thanks
[17:15] <Madonna> but Ubuntu 13.04's repos are not working well in my country
[17:15] <atrus> that omgubuntu link is only relevant if you're interested in playing with something not actually in real "ubuntu gnome" releases yet
[17:16] <Madonna> many packages can't be downloaded
[17:17] <Madonna> Maybe it is due to the fact that my country is in war with China? =))
[17:20] <camelinahat> atrus, is ubuntu-gnome-desktop not _the_ Ubuntu GNOME meta package?
[17:20] <atrus> camelinahat: it is
[17:21] <camelinahat> Oh sorry I misread.
[17:21] <camelinahat> Yes my bad it does also contain the steps for adding the gnome3 ppa in addition to the desktop
[17:23] <camelinahat> That said, I think most Ubuntu GNOME users have the main gnome3 ppa added, though not necessairly the staging (I know I'm not using staging myself, primarily because it's my work laptop and just-in-case ;)
[17:48] <FrozenFire> Yeah, I use the PPA, but not staging
[19:30] <JackSprat> I restarted GNOME using sudo /etc/init.d gem restart. Now when I restart I get a blank desktop with no icons or menus nor a login. I have Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
[19:35] <atrus> JackSprat: that's a better question for #ubuntu. this channel is for the gnome-variant distribution, which only exists in 12.10 or so and later.
[19:36] <JackSprat> gotcha, thanks!
[21:08] <darkxst> jbicha_, so the network manager pc file is wrong
[22:40] <atrus> hrm. i tried unity for a few minutes, then switched to gnome-shell, now focus-follows-mouse is disabled, and i can't see a place to enable it in gnome-tweak-tool. any idea what might have happened?
[22:48] <atrus> huh. unity definitely altered my gsettings >:|


[05:01] <Takyoji> Bleh, if only Minnesota had a formed Pirate Party already..
[12:02] <kermit> or a party with a less self-deprecating and defeatist name..
[12:02] <kermit> but with the same cause.


[01:12] <lamont> hrm... so what's the new soundjuicer, now that it's in universe?
[01:14] <wgrant> lamont: Rhythmbox has done that for years, hasn't it?
[01:15] <lamont> used to be it did it by launching sound-juicer, I thought
[01:15] <lamont> just ran into it when my daughter asked me to put soundjuicer on her laptop, and it fetched from universe
[01:16] <wgrant> It doesn't appear to use Sound Juicer any more.
[01:23] <lamont> it could also be that I'm misremembering ... ta
[14:54] <real_ate> hi guys... i'm wondering if anyone has 5 mins to help me out with a bit of mentoring. I just have 2 things i need explained to me before i can make the app that i want to make but i'm a KDE/Qt programmer and i don't know how the GTK/Ubuntu technologies fit together
[14:55] <Riddell> real_ate: use KDE/Qt then?
[14:56] <real_ate> Riddell: well the app i want to build is for an installation of pure Ubuntu machines
[14:56] <real_ate> not really a production environment but its close ;)
[14:56] <real_ate> and KDE is not an option, so i wanted to learn a bit of the local lingo ;)
[14:57] <real_ate> ... i'll just throw out my first question here and if anyone things i shouldn't be asking like this please just let me know
[14:59] <real_ate> one of the main requirements of the app is that there is a status icon at all times. and based on the work for lucid that is described here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators There is a good bit of info for me to work with
[15:00] <real_ate> but some code has to run to setup the application indicator but i don't know where that code should be run from
[15:01] <real_ate> should i be looking to create a startup python script or something? or is there a better way to do this?
[15:36] <real_ate> hello again
[15:36] <real_ate> can anyone explain the message ** (test.py:22994): WARNING **: Unable to create Ayatana Watcher proxy!  Could not get owner of name 'org.ayatana.indicator.application': no such name
[15:36] <real_ate>  to me?
[19:17] <jussi01> Hrm, seems to be that the last kernel update broke the anysee driver...
[22:24] <flyback> running hmm
[22:24] <flyback> 8.10 here
[22:24] <flyback> and I don't know if it's changed in 9 or whatever it is
[22:24] <flyback> but seriously consider compiling xchat2 to *NOT* accept dcc by default
[22:25] <flyback> some cornhole last night dcc send spammed me with rather disgusting pornographic titles and I ended up having to just kill X to get rid of all the directory prompts
[22:27] <crimsun> flyback: patches welcome.
[22:27] <flyback> don't think you need a patch it's just a compile time option
[22:28] <crimsun> flyback: i.e., debdiff attached to a bug report
[22:29] <flyback> I run the livecd for now so kinda hard to setup a compile fix etc :P
[22:30] <crimsun> nothing in ./configure --help output.
[22:30] <crimsun> are you referring to something else?
[22:30] <flyback> no the default config is set to auto get dcc
[22:31] <crimsun> be aware of debian/patches/11_fix_dcc_close_message.dpatch
[22:33] <crimsun> hmm, not applied to current builds.
[22:35] <flyback> it's not a bug
[22:35] <flyback> they just setup their default config in a insecure manner
[22:35] <crimsun> flyback: so, provide a patch
[22:36] <crimsun> either I spend a night reading xchat's source instead of fixing alsa bugs, or someone else (you?) more familiar with xchat's source dives in directly
[22:39] <flyback> it was just a suggestion
[22:39] <flyback> sheesh
[22:40] <crimsun> I think you fail to understand me. Suggestions can be converted into patches. #ubuntu-motu can assist.
[22:41] <flyback> unfortunitely I don't have time or the mental health left to work on that right now
[22:43] <flyback> thx for the help thought


[22:23] <norbi> soreau: i`m coming to compiz right now
[22:23] <yshavit> acicula: yup, 5400rpm, you're right. duh to me!
[22:23] <Preposteruss> I think it would be great for your girlfriends computer, you don't have to go into the command prompt at all if you don't want
[22:24] <acicula> PingFloyd: the small cheap ssd drives found in netbooks are not really comparable to the 2.5" sata disks
[22:24] <Emanon> i use tilda for all my cli needs hehe
[22:24] <yshavit> Preposteruss: Yeah, I have Ubuntu on my home (and work!) machines. I love it. Glad it's working on your netbook too :)
[22:25] <PingFloyd> acicula: maybe not, but if he can find out how many write cycles, he can do the same math and then decide what he thinks is his best alternative
[22:25] <tp43> acicula, where is this drop down menu for selecting wireless access points?
[22:25] <acicula> PingFloyd: write cycles depends on the type of flash chip used
[22:25] <yshavit> alrighty, gotta go wash that cats. Thanks your help guys, and acicula, thanks for reminding me that the SSD issue is a non-issue for us. ;-)
[22:25] <acicula> tp43: your network manager icon
[22:25] <acicula> left click it
[22:26] <r3c4ll> how i execute a command like another user (example if i'm root and want execute play as user01)?
[22:26] <acicula> its in the top taskbar/panel by default
[22:26] <tp43> acicula, thats what I mean, where is the network manager icon
[22:26] <PingFloyd> acicula: ok, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in china?
[22:26] <r3c4ll> is for use in a shell script
[22:26] <Sashi1> hi, I have compiz enabled and it uses some hotkeys for expose, zoom etc... those hotkeys are working but, accasionally they don't work and I have to hover my mouse over the title bar of any window to make the hotkeys work. How can I make the compiz hotkeys work properly?
[22:26] <yshavit> r3c4ll: sudo <username> -c <command>
[22:26] <r3c4ll> yshavit, thnxs
[22:26] <yshavit> r3c4ll: oops, nevermind the "-c" part, you don't need that
[22:27] <acicula> PingFloyd: all cool tea pluckers have flash enabled devices
[22:27] <Emanon> "tea pluckers"?
[22:27] <yshavit> r3c4ll: it's "sudo -u <username> <command>
[22:27] <yshavit> this time for real ;-)
[22:28] <r3c4ll> ok thnxs ;) again
[22:28] <stwange> where does ubuntu store the equivalent of ifcfg-eth0? I'm trying to remove an cipsec0 entry under ip addr list
[22:29] <yshavit> r3c4ll: no prob :)
[22:29] <acicula> stwange: /etc/network/ ?
[22:29] <mawst> stwange: ifconfig eth0
[22:30] <tp43> acicula, when I right click the panel, and add to panel, I don't see a network manager there, how can I add a network manager to my gnome panel?
[22:30] <acicula> its not a panel widget
[22:30] <pepper_haze> what is the command to exit x server?
[22:30] <acicula> tp43: type nm-applet in a console and it will show in your systray
[22:31] <sebastian> does anyone knows a good tutorial for ubuntu 9.10?
[22:31] <acicula> though it should be started by default
[22:31] <rsk> sebastian define a good turtorial for you
[22:31] <stwange> acicula, there's nothing there (of interest), and interfaces only contains loopback. mawst: ifconfig cipsec0 shows the information but how do I get rid of it? ifdown cipsec0 says "interface cipsec0 not configured" and it only shows under ip addr list, not under ifconfig
[22:31] <Emanon> sebastian: the official faq is pretty good
[22:31] <tp43> acicula,
[22:31] <acicula> sebastian: https://help.ubuntu.com/community ?
[22:31] <acicula> tp43,
[22:31] <tp43> acicula, Could not acquire the NetworkManagerUserSettings service as it is already taken.  Return: 3
[22:31] <Bonst4r> for wat?
[22:31] <pepper_haze> I want to exit x server, what is the command for it?
[22:31] <sebastian> well the thing is that i'm new to ubuntu
[22:31] <acicula> tp43: means nm-applet is already running
[22:32] <acicula> if you have trouble finding it in your systray(it may have crashed)
[22:32] <pepper_haze> is anyone here that can help?
[22:32] <acicula> tp43: then do a killall nm-applet and start it again
[22:32] <tp43> acicula, ok, but then it doesn't have a drop down menu to see the various wifi nets available
[22:32] <tp43> acicula, ok
[22:33] <acicula> it says wireless networks but below that it is not showing any networks to connect to you mean
[22:33] <pepper_haze> acicula, do you know the command to exit x server?
[22:33] <cbleslie> pepper_haze, ctrl+alt+F6
[22:33] <acicula> pepper_haze: aside from just using logout?
[22:33] <rfa_> tp43 uninstall network manager use knetworkmanager is better , but first try wicd
[22:33] <Emanon> pepper_haze: if you have enabled it in keyboard options you can restart x with ctrl alt backspace
[22:33] <acicula> cbleslie: that switches you to tty6
[22:34] <cbleslie> acicula, I assume that's what he/she Actually wants.
[22:34] <tp43> rfa_, I am using the glx-dock wifi manager, but it looks like it uses nm-applet
[22:35] <rfa_> aaa ok then dont try my support ;)
[22:35] <hmw> A small program was (is) running in wine, but suddenly disappeared. ps -A shows the exe is still running and i can hear sounds. Can I get it visible again without restarting the app?
[22:35] <torprivoxy> hey i can not get my tor privoxy working
[22:35] <torprivoxy> any assistance
[22:35] <DarkStar1> acicula: I'm still no where near solving my goal
[22:35] <sine_> how do i drop out of x into full console mode
[22:36] <torprivoxy> how do i surf anonymously
[22:36] <hmw> sine_: CTRL+ALT+F1
[22:36] <VCoolio> to stop x do ctrl+alt+f1 to go to virtual terminal, then 'sudo service gdm stop'
[22:36] <hmw> sine_: CTRL+ALT+F1 .. F6,,   F7 --> X
[22:36] <rsk> sebastian guess i can't help you then
[22:36] <Emanon> torprivoxy: you try vidalia?
[22:36] <sine_> brilliant thanks
[22:37] <torprivoxy> emanon: i type sudo apt-get install vidalia no such package
[22:37] <Emanon> thats the gnome-supported tor proxy GUI
[22:37] <Tricia> How can I reinstall X with default configs and everything without breaking everything?
[22:37] <binarystar> Ok i tried removing the grub files to remove all the old updates of ubuntu but the file only shows my old linux mint grub files. ( installed ubuntu over mint). The ubuntu grub files are NOT there. Any ideas?
[22:37] <sine_> exit
[22:37] <sine_> oops
[22:37] <Emanon> vidalia is in a partner repository i think
[22:37] <Emanon> and tor has its own repository
[22:38] <romain_> hi
[22:38] <romain_> is there somebody who is using nvidia driver on lucid ?
[22:38] <Emanon> !hi | romain_
[22:38] <guntbert> !lucid | romain_
[22:38] <Emanon> quite a few of us romain_
[22:39] <Emanon> oh on lucid sorry no
[22:39] <romain_> i can't start with nvidia driver :s
[22:39] <tp43> acicula, oh, I figured it out, if I middle click, it disconnect, and when I left click it connects.  But I still can't find the gui for "iwlist scan" command
[22:39] <romain_> i have a Quadro NVS 160M card
[22:39] <guntbert> romain_: 10.4 support in #ubuntu+1
[22:39] <ZykoticK9> romain_, wrong channel to ask in "/join #ubuntu+1"
[22:39] <romain_> ok thanks
[22:39] <Emanon> torprivoxy: deb http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org karmic main
[22:40] <binarystar> Ok i tried removing the grub files to remove all the old updates of ubuntu in the grub,but the file only shows my old linux mint grub files. (I installed ubuntu over mint). The ubuntu grub files are NOT there. Any ideas?
[22:40] <Emanon> there is the sources entry for tor
[22:40] <Emanon> not a one binarystar i dont mess with my grub much hehe
[22:41] <Emanon> on a side note does anyone here know of a good gui for configuring grub?
[22:41] <Emanon> something analogous to kgrubeditor
[22:42] <tp43> I never heard of kgrubeditor,  cool
[22:42] <acicula> tp43: nm-applet normally handles that
[22:42] <Emanon> it was nice but i think it got removed in karmic
[22:42] <jenia> hello everyone
[22:42] <Emanon> as i havnt seen it in the repos since jaunty
[22:42] <Emanon> !hi | jenia
[22:43] <madjoe1> is it possible to change the login screen (theme) when I lock my Ubuntu Karmic (CTRL+ALT
[22:43] <guntbert> Emanon: thats because of the switch grub->grub2
[22:43] <Emanon> makes sense guntbert
[22:44] <Emanon> is there something that works similarly for grub2?
[22:44] <guntbert> Emanon: not that I know of
[22:44] <Emanon> cause i respect cli but i dont want to wade into it if there is a gui alternative
[22:44] <madjoe1> Is it possible to change the theme of the login screen when I lock my Ubuntu Karmic (CTRL+ALT+L)?
[22:45] <guntbert> !repeat | madjoe1
[22:45] <madjoe1> guntbert: I had typos in my first query, sorry
[22:46] <tp43> acicula, I am gonna install and try plasma-widget-wifi and wifi-radar
[22:46] <Emanon> it is most likely possible madjoe1 but idk how someone else may
[22:46] <Emanon> it gets kind of hectic in here sometimes
[22:46] <Hitek> server irc.darksin.net
[22:46] <Emanon> tp43: you using kubuntu tp43?
[22:46] <madjoe1> Emanon: ok, thanks
[22:46] <VCoolio> madjoe1: for the login screen check gdm2setup at launchpad.net, don't know if that affects the lock screen
[22:46] <tp43> Emanon, Ubuntu
[22:47] <Emanon> anything plasma is for kubuntu
[22:47] <madjoe1> VCoolio: ok, thanks!
[22:47] <Emanon> as plasma is part of kde
[22:47] <VCoolio> madjoe1: there are difficult terminal command to change it (gdm2 has no gui configuration yet), but that app is really easy and working
[22:47] <acicula> tp43: eh ok
[22:48] <madjoe1> VCoolio: I'll take a look.. thanks guys
[22:48] <ToastyJustice> Anyone be able to help me troubleshoot my graphics/mouse problems? I have a radeon 4350 and my mouse moves really choppy
[22:49] <koltroll> Hi People. I have a asus 1000he. Watching HD-movies (720p) in windows XP goes very smoothly, however in ubuntu it is unwatchable for me. It is very very laggy. Any tip on what I can do, if there's something, to get better results?
[22:49] <guntbert> Emanon: btw you *could* spare us a little scrolling by not pressing <enter> so often :-) -- and please use the nick of a person you are talking to - conversation are much easier to follow (from the side line) that way
[22:49] <torprivoxy> can anyone help me with tor i can not surf i still see my ip when i browse
[22:50] <Emanon> yea i forget to sometimes guntbert sorry
[22:50] <guntbert> Emanon: np - only a gentle reminder :)
[22:50] <Emanon> torprivoxy: deb http://deb.torproject.org/torproject.org karmic main
[22:50] <Emanon> torprivoxy: there is the tor repository
[22:51] <torprivoxy> emanon i dont see that karmic main
[22:52] <Emanon> just copy everything from just after your name in that message to the end into sources.list
[22:52] <torprivoxy> emanon whats the settings on firefox
[22:52] <madjoe1> Emanon, VCoolio: is it python-gdm2setup from the Synaptic repos?
[22:52] <Emanon> torprivoxy: refresh synaptic then install tor, torgeoipdb, and vidalia
[22:52] <torprivoxy> emanon whats the settings on firefox
[22:53] <VCoolio> madjoe1: yes
[22:53] <Emanon> it might be madjoe1 but i got it from their ppa :-)
[22:53] <Emanon> torprivoxy: socks5 proxy <IP_ADDRESS> port 9050 all others same ip port 8118
[22:53] <VCoolio> madjoe1: it's not in the repos, but if it says version 0.5.1 it's ok
[22:53] <Emanon> or use torbutton
[22:53] <madjoe1> VCoolio, Emanon: oh, I had it installed, but version <IP_ADDRESS> - now I upgraded it to 0.5 branch
[22:54] <Emanon> torprivoxy: torbutton works well enough or foxyproxy if you dont mind configing it first
[22:54] <XXer> Has anyone had a prob with ubuntu reading sd drives, I have seen a lot of thing on the net about not being able to mount them but nothing about not being able to read the card
[22:55] <Emanon> torprivoxy: those are firefox plugins that will work with tor so you can switch it with an icon in ff
[22:55] <acicula> XXer: havent had problems myself
[22:55] <acicula> XXer: its ussually a pretty straightforward affair
[22:55] <madjoe1> VCoolio, Emanon: can you give me some hint what should I look for in  System > Administration > Login Screen (GDM2Setup)?
[22:55] <acicula> XXer: but theres a lot of diska nd formats out there that can cause issues i suppose
[22:56] <Emanon> XXer: all my cards work just fine and the SSD on my moms netbook (shes running unr 9.10 with now issues)
[22:56] <VCoolio> madjoe1: you wanted to change the theme right? so point it to a gtk2 theme you like
[22:56] <torprivoxy> emanon:http:8118,ssl 8118,ftp 8118,gopher 8118,socks 9050 .
[22:56] <madjoe1> VCoolio: oh, ok.. and GTK2 stands for? :)
[22:56] <Emanon> yea torprivoxy
[22:57] <VCoolio> madjoe1: anything but the borders; so buttons, widgets, font colors etc
[22:57] <torprivoxy> emanon my ip is still there whatsmyipadress
[22:57] <Emanon> madjoe1: gtk2 is the rendering framework used by gnome
[22:57] <Oli_> Is it possible to install to an external drive with a Mac?
[22:57] <XXer> Should you be able to mount the sd drive with no dist in it?
[22:57] <torprivoxy> netstat -a | grep 9050
[22:57] <torprivoxy> tcp        0      0 localhost:9050          *:*                     LISTEN
[22:57] <XXer> dik
[22:57] <Emanon> is tor on?
[22:57] <XXer> disk
[22:57] <acicula> XXer: that question does not make sense
[22:57] <acicula> oh no disk, no
[22:58] <Emanon> torprivoxy: the process tor must be active for routing through 8118 or 9050 to have any effect
[22:58] <leOn> gee.. this channel is almost empty
[22:58] <leOn> =P
[22:58] <torprivoxy> sudo /etc/init.d/tor start
[22:58] <torprivoxy> Raising maximum number of filedescriptors (ulimit -n) to 32768.
[22:58] <torprivoxy> Starting tor daemon: tor...
[22:58] <torprivoxy> done.
[22:58] <FloodBot1> torprivoxy: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:58] <masu3701> i just install virtualbox in ubuntu but cant see it under Application, system tools
[22:58] <aldo> helo
[22:58] <aldo> hello
[22:58] <Emanon> now try in firefox torprivoxy
[22:58] <acicula> masu3701: accesories
[22:58] <Emanon> now that ff is routed through tor and tor is on it should work fine torprivoxy
[22:59] <madjoe1> VCoolio, Emanon: I have it configured like this: GTK Theme: HumanLogin, and Icon Theme: HumanLoginIcons... if I change it it won't affect my customization of my Desktop, right?
[22:59] <aldo> xubuntu its a stable version?
[22:59] <General_Failure> virtualbox doesn't appear in menus
[22:59] <acicula> aldo: yes
[22:59] <VCoolio> madjoe1: right
[22:59] <masu3701> acicula: i see
[22:59] <masu3701> thanks
[22:59] <torprivoxy> http://whatismyipaddress.com/ it shows my real ip
[22:59] <Oli_> I'm using virtualbox, but I can't get the display above 800x600...
[22:59] <aldo> acicula its stable than ubuntu?
[22:59] <XXer> I can see the sd drive in the computer window but when I click on it it says "Unable to mount location No media in the drive"
[22:59] <LetsGo67> I cannot use Wi-Fi on any computer except Nintendo DS
[22:59] <Emanon> i dont think the login screen theme has bearing on your users but idk for sure madjoe1
[22:59] <leOn> quick question, after an update a few days ago, my /etc/profile is no longer beeing called upon login .. is this a bug or did ubuntu change that behaviour on purpose?
[22:59] <acicula> aldo: xubuntu is ubuntu, just uses a different set of packages
[22:59] <seanbrystone> torprivoxy, maybe thats cached, use another ip website to check
[23:00] <madjoe1> VCoolio, Emanon: we have 2 different login screen: when you boot your Ubuntu, and the second is when you lock your screen... will this GTK Theme affect both situations?
[23:00] <ZykoticK9> Oli_, install the "Guest Additions" in your VM
[23:00] <General_Failure> Oli_ could be a video ram issue. also have you got the guest extensions installed?
[23:00] <aldo> acicula ah i understand ...
[23:00] <aldo> thanks
[23:00] <torprivoxy> http://www.whatsmyip.us/ ssame real ip
[23:00] <General_Failure> err... additions, like Zy said
[23:00] <torprivoxy> what iam doing wrong
[23:00] <acicula> leOn: the use of /etc/profile is goverened by bash, seems unlikely that it changed
[23:00] <acicula> torprivoxy: are you sure you are connecting to privoxy
[23:01] <Oli_> Ah, no, I haven't. Thanks =)
[23:01] <stwange> can anyone help me with an ipsec/l2tp VPN connection? I'm trying to connect using this protocol and the only details I have are username, password, IP/hostname, shared key. On Windows that's enough but it doesn't seem to be enough on here
[23:01] <torprivoxy> acicula: yes i have the right settings
[23:01] <LetsGo67> I cannot use Wi-Fi on any computer except Nintendo DS.
[23:01] <acicula> leOn: but bash distinguishes between login shells and just spawned shells, maybe thats whats causing confusion?
[23:01] <torprivoxy> i installed tor privoxy
[23:01] <aldo> is there a software like a avant windows manager that doesnt use compiz?
[23:01] <leOn> acicula: well .. the weird part is that i have done no changes on any of those files and it just stopped being sourced after an update
[23:02] <VCoolio> madjoe1: that would be surprising; if it doesn't, try to configure lock screen with gconf-editor at apps > gnome-screensaver > lock_dialog_theme
[23:02] <seanbrystone> torprivoxy, if you go to google.com and its in german or Russian, then TOR is working, thats how i know it works for me
[23:02] <acicula> leOn: how can you tell?
[23:02] <leOn> because i had some aliases defined in there and they just stopped working
[23:02] <soreau> aldo: awn doesn't use compiz
[23:02] <acicula> leOn: overwritten, purged maybe?
[23:03] <Emanon> torprivoxy: you need tor-geoipdb as well
[23:03] <aldo> soreau yes ..without compiz active i can not use it
[23:03] <madjoe1> VCoolio: wow THAT's a nice hint! Thanks!
[23:04] <aldo> maybe its high effect graphics?
[23:04] <Sattvic> Anyone using Amazon's EC2 cloud space?
[23:04] <leOn> acicula: i cannot tell you what happened since i have not yet taken time to fully understand what the problem is. I just remembered of asking if there was any change or introduced bug before i start debbugging
[23:04] <seanbrystone> Sattvic, nope i use CrashPlan, one of the few that works for Linux
[23:04] <acicula> leOn: not that im aware of
[23:05] <masu3701> looking for a remote desketop tool in ubuntu...
[23:05] <LetsGo67> I cannot use Wi-Fi on any computer except Nintendo DS.
[23:05] <Sattvic> @seanbrystone:  I thought EC2 supported linux?
[23:05] <masu3701> i would like my friend to access my pc
[23:05] <lojack> Hello all!  I have a Ubuntu 8.10 system that I'd like to update to 9.04 but I don't get the option to do so from the Update Manager like the online docs suggest.  Could there be a setting somewhere on my system that is supressing that option?
[23:05] <masu3701> i use teamviewer in windows but not use what to use in ubuntu
[23:05] <lojack> Is there another way to complete the upgrade from 8.10 to 9.04?  Edit sources.list directly?
[23:05] <blakkheim> lojack: sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude full-upgrade; sudo do-release-upgrade
[23:05] <acicula> leOn: only other thing i can think of, maybe your local profile file is generated based on /etc/profile and that got changed?
[23:05] <seanbrystone> maybe it does Sattvic i was just making an off-comment since you brought it up :)
[23:06] <acicula> leOn: since /etc/profile just pulls in whatever is defined in /etc/profile.d/
[23:06] <masu3701> lojack: release upgrade
[23:06] <Emanon> lojack: might download the 9.04 iso burn it and upgrade from disk
[23:06] <Notis> How Can I Install A tar.bz2 file?
[23:06] <red> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/ssh-no-route-to-host-also-ping-problem-645496/
[23:06] <seanbrystone> !tar | Notis
[23:06] <red> i have the same problem
[23:07] <masu3701> any remote desktop application in ubuntu?
[23:07] <Sattvic> @seanbrystone:  Can you easily partition space for other developers that want space in the cloud?
[23:07] <blakkheim> Notis: what is inside of it?
[23:07] <acicula> masu3701: plenty, vnc/ssh/rdp take your pic
[23:07] <Emanon> masu3701: only about 50,000 of em
[23:07] <masu3701> try vnc viewer but it wont work
[23:07] <Ganymede> hey, i was wondering...is there a way to make sshd listen on one port on one interface/IP and another port on a different interface/IP?
[23:07] <LetsGo67> I cannot use Wi-Fi on any computer except Nintendo DS.
[23:07] <r3c4ll> what is kcryptd? what do? in who application generally come as dependence? i havent installed and now are running in my host
[23:07] <acicula> Ganymede: cant make it listen on two ports afaik
[23:07] <seanbrystone> Sattvic, with CrashPlan you can send files to the cloud, to a friend or to other computers in your house.
[23:07] <acicula> Ganymede: you can start it twice i suppose with different configuration files
[23:08] <acicula> but why would you want to
[23:08] <Ganymede> acicula, then, won't it listen to both ports on both IPs?
[23:08] <leOn> acicula: that's the weird part ... things in profile.d are getting pulled
[23:08] <Jon-> Is there a way to automatically set your friendly name (the display name basically) for a Pidgin MSN account
[23:08] <lojack> blakkheim: do-release-upgrade says "No new release found"
[23:08] <masu3701> acicula: vnc just allow computers on the same network
[23:08] <acicula> vnc allows whatever you set it to allow
[23:08] <Sattvic> @seanbrystone:  Oh - I am not talking about online backup - I use JungleDisk for that - I am talking about Server Space in the Cloud for Developers
[23:08] <masu3701> cant connect from outside
[23:08] <Notis> Yes but how can I install Firefox 3.6.tar.bz2 can't find a way after i extract it
[23:08] <acicula> Ganymede: i think port is fixed across interfaces
[23:08] <smix> Yo
[23:08] <acicula> you can choose multiple interfaces though?
[23:08] <gosia> hi
[23:09] <Sattvic> Anyone have experience with Ubuntu Cloud server?
[23:09] <seanbrystone> Sattvic, i figured you were talkign about Amazon's JungleDisk this entire time, ack! Sorry!
[23:09] <smix> Yes
[23:09] <acicula> isnt ubuntucloud == amazon cloud?
[23:09] <acicula> all stored in EC2?
[23:09] <Jon-> Is there a way to automatically set your friendly name (the display name basically) for a Pidgin MSN account?
[23:09] <General_Failure> the clouds use the same protocol, but are different
[23:10] <Sattvic> @acicula - no, Ubuntu cloud can run on your local machine - EC2 is owned and managed by Amazon
[23:10] <acicula> Sattvic: i see
[23:10] <blakkheim> Jon-: it should do that automatically, but there was a (fairly) recent bug in pidgin that would make it reset
[23:10] <blakkheim> Jon-: ubuntu uses old packages, not the newest, so that's why yours still resets probably
[23:10] <Jon-> blakkheim: Looks like I have that bug. I'll compile from source. Thanks.
[23:10] <Oli_> OK, when trying to install virtualbox guest additions from Synaptic Package Manager, loads of the dependencies fail...
[23:11] <Sattvic> @general_failure:  I am thinking about setting up some cloud space for me and other developers, but don't know much about partioning FTp RESTRICTIONS, etc.
[23:11] <LetsGo67> Bye y'all.
[23:12] <Sattvic> Is there a chat room for Ubuntu server admins?
[23:12] <madjoe1> VCoolio: ok, in gconf-edit I can just switch between existing lock themes, but can I preview/download just lock screens from somewhere and install it on my Karmic?
[23:12] <acicula> partitioing ftp restrictions?
[23:12] <acicula> Sattvic: there is ubuntu-server i think
[23:12] <VCoolio> madjoe1: put them (extracted) in /usr/lib/gnome-screensaver
[23:12] <Daughain> ANyone know the release date for Lucid yet?
[23:12] <Sattvic> @acicula:  yes, like give different developers separate FTP access
[23:12] <linxeh> Sattvic: or you can ask in here too
[23:12] <VCoolio> madjoe1: sorry; /usr/share/gnome-screensaver
[23:13] <blakkheim> Daughain: it's been known for a long time
[23:13] <acicula> Sattvic: seems straightfoward? create users, asign quotes and flog them if they choose bad passwords
[23:13] <linxeh> Sattvic: what kind of developer uses ftp in this day and age ?
[23:13] <Sattvic> @linxeh:  Do you have any experience with CLoud Servers?
[23:13] <acicula> cat o nine tails is my personal administrative tool
[23:13] <madjoe1> VCoolio: so, no installation required... just put the files there and that's it? I'll check gnome-looks.org
[23:13] <Sattvic> @linxeh - ok, ok, SSH
[23:13] <Daughain> blakkheim: Mind telling me what it is?
[23:13] <blakkheim> !lucid > Daughain
[23:13] <ojm> hi, does anyone know how I can build laby on ubuntu?
[23:13] <linxeh> Sattvic: cloud servers are just servers
[23:13] <Daughain> Thanks.
[23:13] <acicula> ojm: laby source?
[23:14] <linxeh> the "cloud" is the internet. its not new
[23:14] <ojm> yeah, newest 0.5.5
[23:14] <ojm> it's not on repos
[23:14] <acicula> cloud is just another word for virtualized machine
[23:14] <kinja-sheep> The servers usually are in warehouses but now they're on the clouds!
[23:14] <acicula>  marketing speak
[23:14] <karl> hi can any one help with a default bottle on crossover
[23:14] <Sattvic> @linxeh: Yes, but I am a programmer, not a server admin - I want to share cloud space and learn how to develop on the cloud
[23:14] <linxeh> acicula: not necessarily
[23:14] <VCoolio> madjoe1: most theme types just get extracted to the right paths when 'installed', nothing complex, just need to know where
[23:14] <acicula> linxeh: well true
[23:14] <ojm> it depends on ocaml and lablgtk, but I think I have both and it doesn't build
[23:14] <Oli_> Why do loads of the packages fail when I try to install guest additions?
[23:14] <linxeh> Sattvic: sounds like you've had too much buzzword bingo :o
[23:14] <acicula> you can also get some services
[23:14] <Sattvic> @kinja-sheep actually, cloud refers to elasticity and on-call-resources
[23:15] <erpo> I'm looking for a "turbo-click" application. I hold down the mouse button, and the program sends mousedown and mouseup events to the application in rapid succession. Can anyone point me towards such a program?
[23:15] <karl> # wine
[23:15] <Sattvic> @linxeh: Sounds like some of you are on old serrvers
[23:15] <linxeh> Sattvic: it may do, but not necessarily
[23:15] <acicula> linxeh: like the google cloud service thing,  you dont get  a vm there
[23:15] <madjoe1> VCoolio: cool, but I can't find anything like lock-theme screens on gnome-look.org... maybe I should download the whole theme just to extract the lock-screen
[23:15] <linxeh> Sattvic: no, Ive built clusters of 200+ machines
[23:15] <acicula> linxeh: what kind of clusters?
[23:16] <VCoolio> madjoe1: here is one; I think you need to check the 'screensavers' section; http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Dark-Minimal+Lock+Dialog?content=109151
[23:16] <borys> hello
[23:16] <linxeh> acicula: datagrid/compute - 1/2PB for research etc
[23:16] <lojack> I don't get it.  Something in my system is preventing me from upgrading from 8.10 to 9.04.  And I have no idea what it is?
[23:16] <madjoe1> VCoolio: you're the man ;)
[23:17] <borys> I do upgrade to 10.04 on my UNE and now I can't add any applets to panel
[23:17] <ZykoticK9> Oli_, are you using the VBox from Ubuntu or direct from Oracle?
[23:17] <acicula> linxeh: numbercrunching :)
[23:17] <Sattvic> @linxeh: right - then cloud computing may be a marketing term, by how else do you describe dynamic allocation for resources the effortless creation of multiple server instances within seconds - how long did it take for the 200+ machines to configure?
[23:17] <ZykoticK9> borys, #ubuntu+1 for that question
[23:17] <lojack> Can I simply edit my sources.list file and change the paths from Intrepid to Jaunty links?
[23:17] <linxeh> acicula: well, data processing yeah - I guess its numbers at the end of the day :)
[23:17] <borys> ZykoticK9 ok
[23:17] <acicula> linxeh: everything boils down to ints eventually :)
[23:17] <linxeh> Sattvic: our 200+ machines were kickstart installed with an os image in about a day
[23:18] <linxeh> Sattvic: and then managed with puppet
[23:18] <DarkStar1> acicula: Once again thanks matey.. I'm gonna go cool the nugget down with some beer
[23:18] <acicula> np
[23:18] <DarkStar1> :)
[23:18] <Oli_> ZykoticK9, It's the Mac version from the VB site.
[23:18] <madjoe1> VCoolio: take a look at this one: http://lh3.ggpht.com/_FJH0hYZmVtc/SrEaTRaYnCI/AAAAAAAAC0w/r8DtGgd_vk4/self_thumb%5B6%5D.png?imgmax=800
[23:18] <linxeh> Sattvic: and I'd call what you described as dynamic virtualisation
[23:19] <Sattvic> @linxeh: this is not a competition, I am not a server admin - I have clients that want to be on the cloud - I come here for answers - maybe I should look elsewhere?
[23:19] <ZykoticK9> Oli_, assuming it's the same for the moment -- in the window around the VM do you see a Devices menu?  Click it the "Install Guest Additions"
[23:19] <linxeh> Sattvic: "on the cloud" doesn't mean anything. the cloud is "some compute space out there somewhere on the internet"
[23:19] <linxeh> Sattvic: what do you want to achieve, what are you developing etc ?
[23:19] <Sattvic> @linxeh:  Fine, but cloud is definately shorter to spell than dynamic virtualization - jesus!
[23:20] <hugo> Hey guys, could someone give me a hand with GRUB ?
[23:20] <linxeh> and as I said, cloud is ambiguous - its a bad term to use as a result
[23:20] <Sattvic> @linxeh:  I want to install Django and build apps on a linux server
[23:20] <Oli_> ZykoticK9, So it is! Thanks for that =)
[23:21] <linxeh> Sattvic: ok, so get either vhost or a vps
[23:21] <VCoolio> madjoe1: I wouldn't use the butterfly, but that's your user picture; yeah, looks cool; I like the New Wave one (also the highest rated)
[23:21] <madjoe1> VCoolio: lol.. I know.. hehe
[23:21] <madjoe1> VCoolio: New wave?
[23:22] <Jon-> When running a ./configure for Pidgin installer I got this: "You must have GLib 2.4.0 or newer development headers installed to build."  - are these available in repositories? how do I get them?
[23:22] <Sattvic> @linxeh: how about if I refer to it as the Ubuntu Enterprise Cloud - otherwise known as Eucalyptus - would that make you feel better?
[23:23] <acicula> why is django popular these days, i looked into it a few years ago but didnt think that much of it
[23:23] <hugo> I am having a problem with GRUB2, when using update-grub it fails to find windows boot files located in media/windows/Windows/boot .. Does anyone have an idea ?
[23:23] <madjoe1> VCoolio: oh, found it! with russian cyrilic
[23:23] <VCoolio> madjoe1: don't worry, it'll pick up your language
[23:23] <acicula> hugo: can you access the windows drive?
[23:23] <acicula> hugo: ie is it mountable
[23:23] <hugo> Yes it's mounted
[23:23] <madjoe1> VCoolio: ok, I'm gonna try it right now..
[23:24] <Sattvic> @linxeh: lets say that I get the server running on EC2 - what should I research to configure different FTP accounts for different users?  Or will this come with Cpanel?
[23:24] <linxeh> Sattvic: ok, that makes it a little clearer. it still doesnt address what you are trying to achieve though, other than do it cos its trendy
[23:24] <linxeh> ok, so the cloud doesnt come into it
[23:24] <Jon-> When running a ./configure for Pidgin installer I got this: "You must have GLib 2.4.0 or newer development headers installed to build."  - are these available in repositories? how do I get them?
[23:24] <linxeh> Sattvic: just look at normal ubuntu server user admin. the ubuntu server guide is a good start
[23:24] <acicula> hugo: hmm dunno then, dont think wheter it is mounted or not makes any difference
[23:25] <Sattvic> @linxeh: how about do it because Motorola is one of my clients and wants to be on EC2?!
[23:25] <VCoolio> Jon-: try libglib2.0-dev  ; if compiling throws an error like that, put 'lib' in front and -dev behind and see if there is a package like that
[23:25] <hugo> Nah i figured aswell
[23:25] <stwange> I'm trying to connect to an ipsec/l2tp VPN and it keeps saying it's unable to identify. Please can someone help? I'm out of idea. Openswan conf: http://pastie.org/private/n7w9qndtmgzbmhhjkprt3g
[23:25] <git__> how can you add a group under a group in Ubunut?
[23:25] <borys> And one another issue, when I start system, it's boot into console and I have to press clt + f7 to go into X session, it's possible to fix it?
[23:25] <madjoe1> VCoolio: I love Ubuntu.. everytime I come here, I learn something new :)
[23:25] <Sattvic> c'mon guys - think bigger - the world moves foward
[23:25] <VCoolio> madjoe1: that's also the addicting part...
[23:25] <hugo>  /dev/sdb = hd1 ? Right
[23:26] <Sattvic> If I am trendy, it is because fortune 500 clients that I serve demand trendy
[23:26] <linxeh> Sattvic: ok, still sounds like management buzzword bingo :)
[23:26] <hugo> Cuz when booting windows it reports bootmgr missing
[23:26] <madjoe1> VCoolio: very.. I just moved from Windows quite recently, and I'm treating Ubuntu as my new toy... lol
[23:26] <linxeh> wow :)
[23:26] <Sattvic> @linxeh - you sound bitter
[23:27] <norbi> guys, how can i restart the x server?
[23:27] <ZykoticK9> norbi, "sudo service gdm restart" if you're using karmic
[23:27] <hmw> norbi: either /etc/init.d/gdm restart  or  ALT-SysRq+K (Kill X)
[23:27] <linxeh> Sattvic: not at all - just I can't see how you can possibly work with such vague requirements, but that's your call. install UEC on your EC2 instance and start playing.
[23:28] <madjoe1> VCoolio: I know I've used a screenshot with a delayed option quite recently, but now I don't remember where did I find it.. was it a part of my Compiz? I tried to find it, with no luck.. I'd like to make a screenshot of my Compiz cube, but I can press PrtScr while I'm holding my CTRL+ALT keys already, so I need to delay taking a screenshot
[23:29] <Jon-> VCoolio: I now get "You must have GTK+ 2.4.0 or newer development headers installed to compile Pidgin.  If you want to build only Finch then specify --disable-gtkui when  running configure."
[23:29] <rfa_> madjoe1 install ksnapshot
[23:29] <acicula> !dualboot > hugo
[23:30] <rfa_> madjoe1 or do screenshot from terminal command
[23:30] <madjoe1> rfa_: with sleep?
[23:30] <madjoe1> rfa_: how to take a screenshot from terminal?
[23:30] <madjoe1> sleep 10; screenshot? :)
[23:31] <meatbun> i just installed a fresh 9.10. youtube video is slow. how to fix it? it was fast on 8.x
[23:31] <bobbyyu> Do you guys know where I can find offline repositories for Ubuntu?
[23:31] <hugo> ubottu: I saw them
[23:31] <bobbyyu> I don't want to download since it's time-consuming
[23:31] <VCoolio> madjoe1: gnome-screenshot -i
[23:32] <madjoe1> VCoolio: cool, now I know everything.. :) I prefer reducing my unnecessary installed apps
[23:32] <bobbyyu> ubottu: Offline repositories
[23:32] <rfa_> hmadjoe1 look scrot >> ttp://tips.webdesign10.com/how-to-take-a-screenshot-on-ubuntu-linux
[23:32] <mac9416> bobbyyu, osdisc.com if you want them on CDs.
[23:32] <mac9416> bobbyyu, er, DVDs
[23:33] <bobbyyu> I understand
[23:33] <VCoolio> Jon-: same deal: libgtk2.0-dev
[23:33] <madjoe1> VCoolio: I'd rather use cron and gmessage than install a freakin reminder app :)
[23:33] <mac9416> bobbyyu, http://www.osdisc.com/cgi-bin/view.cgi/products/dvd/ubuntu/repo.html
[23:33] <Jon-> VCoolio: Just did sudo apt-get build-dep pidgin   thanks
[23:34] <hugo> In grub2 does sdb translate to hd1,1?
[23:34] <VCoolio> Jon-: I was just typing that, but you got it; cool
[23:34] <melodie_> hugo, no
[23:34] <melodie_> hd1,0
[23:34] <Jon-> VCoolio: I have efficient Google-foo ;P
[23:34] <melodie_> no
[23:34] <seanbrystone> fu* not foo
[23:34] <melodie_> hugo, hd2,0
[23:34] <hugo> It is ?
[23:35] <Jon-> seanbrystone I will type it my way thanks.  (You're right it's a typo)
[23:35] <hugo> I thought partion indexes started at 1 in grub 2
[23:35] <melodie_> hugo : disk number starts from one but partition number starts from 0 : very confusing !
[23:35] <mikelifeguard> I'm looking at bugs.launchpad.net -- where do I click to submit a bug report?
[23:35] <VCoolio> madjoe1: gmessage? what's wrong with osd-notify?
[23:35] <seanbrystone> jon :)
[23:35] <Jon-> melodie_: Seriously!? That's silly.
[23:35] <madjoe1> VCoolio: never tried osd-notify..
[23:36] <melodie_> Jon-, that's my opinion too, and that's what I read at french ubuntu wiki
[23:36] <melodie_> !grub2
[23:36] <hugo> melodie: Thanks i'll give it a try
[23:36] <madjoe1> VCoolio: even though I think Tomboy is a nice and handy tool (with the reminder plugin)
[23:36] <ZykoticK9> mikelifeguard, does your ubuntu work?  easiest way to report bugs is to use "ubuntu-bug $PACKAGE_NAME" then follow the prompts
[23:36] <VCoolio> madjoe1: no need for an extra package like gmessage; just 'notify-send -i icon "title" "message" '
[23:37] <Typos_King> bobbyyu:    you need/want the .iso?
[23:37] <mikelifeguard> ZykoticK9: it can't contact the bug database
[23:37] <mikelifeguard> ZykoticK9: "Cannot connect to crash database, please check your Internet connection."
[23:37] <mikelifeguard> ZykoticK9: bug clearly, there is no problem with my connection, here I am :)
[23:37] <mikelifeguard> *but
[23:37] <ZykoticK9> mikelifeguard, ahh yes, i've heard about that issue -- sorry don't know how to do it with only LP site.  There is a bug about that, you should add yourself to it.
[23:38] <acicula> mikelifeguard: using lucid?
[23:38] <mikelifeguard> acicula: karmic
[23:38] <madjoe1> VCoolio: The program 'notify-send' is currently not installed. (for e notify-send IS an additional package) :)
[23:38] <madjoe1> me*
[23:38] <ZykoticK9> mikelifeguard, https://launchpad.net/bugs/538097 is the Lucid bug
[23:39] <VCoolio> madjoe1: darn..., ok, well, didn't remember that; whatever floats your boat of course
[23:39] <hugo> update-grub not finding my windows kernel under /media/Windows indicates it isn't linked correctly in 40_custom i guess ?
[23:39] <bootlaces> Ciao a tutti, has anyone had any experience of setting up hybrid-ircd and hybserv?
[23:40] <munsking> http://munsking.pastebin.com/0yQmNcNX  can someone tell me why this doesnt work?
[23:40] <norbi> how can i enable back nautilus desktop, please tell me, this gconftool-2 /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop -t bool -s true does not work, or it need x server restart/
[23:40] <norbi> ?
[23:42] <madjoe1> VCoolio: if I want to try notify-send and install it by sudo apt-get install libnotify-bin, when I want to remove it with sudo apt-get remove libnotify-bin - Should I be worried that some data will be left behind afterwards, just like on stupid Windows?
[23:42] <ZykoticK9> norbi, try gconftool-2 --set "/apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop" --type bool "true"
[23:42] <VCoolio> madjoe1: nope, only maybe a config folder in your home section (but not in this case)
[23:43] <Jon-> madjoe1: Please less Windows bashing ;). Add --purge to an apt-get remove in order to ensure no configuration files are left behind. Besides that, it is completely removed.
[23:43] <ZykoticK9> norbi, no need to restart - it should be instant
[23:43] <norbi> it doesn`t work
[23:43] <majorastro> any danger charging ipod touch on ubuntu
[23:43] <melkor> is there /window 2
[23:43] <jrib> majorastro: no...
[23:43] <VCoolio> madjoe1: also you can uninstall thoroughly with "apt-get purge" and "apt-get autoclean" to remove unnecessary dependencies for apps/libs you uninstalled
[23:44] <tp43> majorastro, nope
[23:44] <majorastro> are you sur e
[23:44] <madjoe1> Jon-: ok, thanks.. why are you so sensitive regarding Windows? :)
[23:44] <majorastro> okay thanks
[23:44] <jrib> majorastro: well I've had mine charging for about a year if it makes you feel better
[23:44] <Jon-> madjoe1: I like Windows 7 quite a bit, I use both it an Karmic.
[23:44] <tp43> majorastro, if I had one myself, I would plug it in no fear.  Do you have the reciept?
[23:44] <norbi> it needed the x server restart
[23:44] <majorastro> you also have ipod touch
[23:44] <General_Failure> VCoolio, that works great except if you have dev libraries for things. I don't use it anymore because I kept losing my openGL stuff etc.
[23:44] <majorastro> yes
[23:45] <chelz> munsking: that's pretty offtopic. try asking the bash or mysql people maybe.
[23:45] <madjoe1> Jon-: I pimped my Ubuntu so much that I don't want to touch my Win7 partition :)
[23:45] <tp43> it is retarted to use windows once you have you have used ubuntu.  It is like white woman and black men
[23:45] <munsking> chelz: and where could i find those? :)
[23:45] <hugo> If update-grub doesn't find your windows kernel does that indicate that the path in 40_custom is wrong ?
[23:45] <chelz> munsking: #bash #mysql
[23:46] <jrib> tp43: erm, let's try to avoid those kind of comments...
[23:46] <General_Failure> good luck playing your games in Wine. Windows still has a use.
[23:46] <tp43> one you go black you never go back
[23:46] <madjoe1> can I use apt-get purge and apt-get autoclean per cron basis?
[23:46] <munsking> chelz: thank you :D
[23:46] <VCoolio> General_Failure: you mean autoclean removed stuff you needed? then "apt-get install" those packages; it will say 'already installed' but put them as wanted instead of dependency
[23:46] <chelz> madjoe1: those both would *only* need to be run when you're uninstalling something
[23:46] <majorastro> flash is a little flaky on ubuntu
[23:47] <seanbrystone> a little?
[23:47] <madjoe1> chelz: thanks
[23:47] <HowardtheDuck> is there a cli command that will let me open any file with whatever is associated with it in nautilus?
[23:47] <jrib> HowardtheDuck: xdg-open
[23:47] <majorastro> you find flash flaky also
[23:47] <madjoe1> majorastro: yes it is
[23:47] <tp43> I have no problem with flash
[23:47] <jrib> HowardtheDuck: or gvfs-open, check the differences
[23:48] <VCoolio> HowardtheDuck: gnome-open rather; for xdg-open use (g)alternives to configure associations
[23:48] <madjoe1> tp43: do you use amd64 version of Flash? if anybody does, try to play poker on Facebook... no way! :)
[23:48] <askasa> hi
[23:48] <jrib> HowardtheDuck: I *think* xdg-open may just try to use the right command (some command if you are using kde and gvfs-open if you are using gnome)
[23:49] <majorastro> why is there a smooth working flash on ubuntu
[23:49] <majorastro> not
[23:49] <tp43> madagu_, hmm, can't argue that one, I watch videos fine though
[23:49] <HowardtheDuck> i tried gnome-open i dont have that
[23:49] <jrib> HowardtheDuck: yep, so moral of the story: use xdg-open because it should do "the right thing"
[23:49] <HowardtheDuck> and sudo apt-get install didn't work for it
[23:49] <majorastro> to you have nivdia gpu
[23:49] <majorastro> do
[23:50] <majorastro> does it work better with nvidia gpu
[23:50] <hexdump2> I've been thinking about trying Moho instead of flash I've heard good things abourt it.
[23:50] <HowardtheDuck> majorastro:  me?  yeah i have an nvidia card
[23:50] <VCoolio> HowardtheDuck: you need to 'gnome-open something', not use it as standalone; it's default on ubuntu, you should have it
[23:51] <meatbun> somethign is wrong with my gaphics. after upgrade gui lags
[23:51] <HowardtheDuck> i tried that...let me do again maybe i screwed up
[23:51] <HowardtheDuck> i'm stupid, yeah, i sure do
[23:51] <HowardtheDuck> heh
[23:51] <majorastro> I am asking about flash does it rub better with nvidia vd intel gpu
[23:52] <majorastro> dam spelling
[23:52] <chelz> majorastro: currently gfx cards have no bearing on flash player performance
[23:52] <hexdump2> yer asking does flash "run" better?
[23:52] <chelz> assuming it's a modern gfx card, vendor shouldn't matter
[23:52] <majorastro> ok so I should not bother putting my nividia card in the pc
[23:52] <hexdump2> flash was running just fine on my crap computer 10 years ago
[23:53] <VCoolio> hexdump2: did you monitor cpu usage with that? ...
[23:53] <majorastro> I to had good flash with older pc
[23:53] <hexdump2> or 8 years ago
[23:53] <chelz> majorastro: if you do it won't make flash perform better
[23:53] <hugo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8960635#post8960635
[23:53] <majorastro> ok
[23:53] <hugo> Assistance needed
[23:53] <antivirtel_> hello all
[23:53] <hexdump2> VCoolio:  nope I just know it was running just fine
[23:53] <SemiBz> hugo: ??
[23:54] <hugo>  ?
[23:54] <antivirtel_> can I ask, that how can i look for an "avi" file's codec, to setup it, and play it good ?
[23:54] <z3ro3x> When trying to create new accounts in Empathy it doesn't show all the chat protocols I know for a fact it supports.  Any ideas why they aren't showing up?
[23:54] <jrib> antivirtel_: double click on it
[23:54] <SemiBz> hugo: Assistance .. for what ?
[23:54] <antivirtel_> jrib
[23:54] <hugo> GRUB, check the link
[23:54] <antivirtel_> but it writes error
[23:54] <jrib> antivirtel_: what error?
[23:54] <hugo> Tried pretty much everything
[23:54] <hexdump2> anyway I gotta get back to work be back later
[23:55] <antivirtel_> jrib 1 moment, i translate it to english
[23:55] <Oli_> I can't get my virtualised ubuntu to run higher than 800x600, and I've just installed guest additions...
[23:56] <SemiBz> hugo: patience .. :)
[23:56] <chelz> hugo: you might add your current grub.cfg to that post
[23:56] <infecto> Oli_: whats your graphic card?
[23:56] <quizme> is /etc/hostname supposed to be the name of the machine (e.g. ralph) or the domain? (e.g. mysite.com) ?
[23:56] <ZykoticK9> Oli_, you might want to ask in #vbox
[23:56] <infecto> a man :) virtualised. sry.
[23:56] <ZykoticK9> infecto, Oli_ is using Mac as Host OS
[23:56] <hugo> chelz: I'll do that right now
[23:56] <infecto> how you virtualise it? :)
[23:56] <antivirtel_> jrib: it can't expect the stream's type
[23:56] <infecto> hmm
[23:56] <infecto> ok, so i cant help You :)
[23:56] <infecto> ZykoticK9: you rox :)
[23:57] <antivirtel_> it is only a simple .avi file
[23:57] <Oli_> ATI Radeon X1600M
[23:57] <jrib> antivirtel_: right click on the file -> properties  will have a tab with codec information
[23:57] <VCoolio> quizme: machine; but if you want to change it use 'about me' in the menus
[23:57] <Jon-> Is there a way to automatically set your friendly name (the display name basically) for a Pidgin MSN account? I have installed Pidgin 2.6.6 and it is still setting it to my first name with Ubuntu (Jonathan) instead of the name I specify when I log in.
[23:57] <hexdump2> VCoolio:  my buddy created this site like 9 years ago or something and it was running pretty good http://www.gosupercar.com/
[23:57] <chelz> quizme: it can be either. usually it's left as the machine name but if one is setting up a FQDN they change it in there.
[23:57] <shrewdlepop> Добрый вечер всем (good evening all)
[23:57] <antivirtel_> jrib: video/x-msvideo
[23:58] <majorastro> what is ibus
[23:58] <DcMeese> shrewdlepop: What language?
[23:58] <jrib> antivirtel_: you can try installing ubuntu-restricted-extras and see if that's enough
[23:58] <isidro1> tengo un chip intelgraphics y no puedo poner la resulcion 1600x1200, me pueden ayudar
[23:58] <hexdump2> well I better leave now before I get sucked into here.
[23:58] <ZykoticK9> !es > isidro1
[23:58] <antivirtel_> jrib: thx, 1 moment
[23:58] <majorastro> what is ibus prefernces
[23:59] <shrewdlepop> DcMeese: was trying russian, but it didnt work
[23:59] <hugo> Added
[23:59] <antivirtel_> jrib 30 new updates :D:D
[23:59] <antivirtel_> it will take some minutes with my slow connection
[23:59] <SemiBz> shrewdlepop: seems just fine from here.


[00:03] <smoser> utlemming, could you push on that mirror update ? looks like they're stale again.
[00:53] <tkeith> I apt-get installed python-django-doc, which automatically installed libpython2.6, python2.6, and python2.6-minimal. I then apt-get removed python-django-doc, and then ran apt-get autoremove. This removed libpython2.6, but not python2.6 or python2.6-minimal. Why aren't these other dependencies autoremoved?
[01:01] <rwilson> I wonder if google uses linux
[01:05] <twb> rwilson: what do you think android and chromeos are based on
[01:07] <rwilson> I was speacking in tearms of servers
[01:07] <rwilson> Yes they do http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_platform
[02:06] <utlemming> smoser: ack
[02:56] <hodgy> Is it possible to setup Ubuntu server to stream music and play it by SSHing into it through Putty and running cmus on it?
[02:57] <hodgy> Say the music is stored on the server, and I ssh on it to it with Putty from a windows machine. I run cmus on the server in the putty window.  How can I have that music stream and come through the speakers on the windows machine?
[03:01] <twb> Apart from cmus, that all sounds fine to me
[03:02] <twb> What I used to do was simply run an httpd (e.g. thttpd or busybox httpd) on the music directory, and then make a little m3u linking to all the tracks
[03:02] <twb> Then your client side just pulls them down magically as ordinary HTTP files (instead of a stream)
[03:02] <hodgy> There is no way I can make cmus do this? It's my player of choice.
[03:03] <twb> hodgy: I am simply not familiar with cmus
[03:03] <hodgy> I happen to love it.
[03:03] <twb> For all I know it works fine
[03:03] <twb> cmus appears to be a unix audio *client*, i.e. it can't serve music streams to a Windows consumer
[03:03] <hodgy> My idea is, music and software is on the server(no speakers/kb/screen), and the ssh session is from the laptop or desktop of choice, running cmus in the terminal window. Making audio play through the system that is remotely connecting
[03:04] <hodgy> The Linux server would actually be running cmus... Only thing active on the connecting system is an SSH window
[03:04] <twb> hodgy: are the speakers hooked up to the ubuntu server, or the windows desktop?
[03:04] <hodgy> Like right now I am on my windows desktop, in putty running IRSSI through SSH on the linux box.
[03:05] <twb> hodgy: where are the speakers
[03:05] <hodgy> Connected to the windows system.
[03:05] <twb> I don't think you can use cmus for this, then
[03:06] <hodgy> What about mpd?
[03:06] <twb> mpd and cmus both assume they run on the host where the speakers are
[03:06] <twb> you need more like icecast or thttpd on the server and winamp on the desktop
[03:06] <hodgy> I could try it I assume, transfer over one or two mp3's via ftp
[03:06] <hodgy> I want to try and avoid client side music players if possible.
[03:12] <hodgy> twb: what is DECnet?
[03:31] <twb> where did that question come from?
[03:45] <delinquentme> zookeeper?
[03:45] <twb> delinquentme: no where hodgy asked out of the blue about decnet
[03:45] <twb> Presumably he's reading a REALLY silly howto blog or something
[03:46] <delinquentme> twb, ? Im asking about its functionality
[03:46] <twb> delinquentme: ok, carry on then
[03:46] <delinquentme> O_o
[03:59] <geek0091> I have achieved true geek, a server rack in my room.
[06:12] <Guest32813> f
[06:21] <whoaski_> anybody awake?
[06:34] <greppy> whoaski_: nope.
[07:11] <whoaski_> thats what I thought
[07:14] <whoaski_> hey greppy if you were deploying a production ecommerce site what would you use?
[07:14] <whoaski_> right now I'm liking Ruby on Rais on ubuntu server but the rest is up in the air.   This is some kind of humanist ecommerce site, I take it
[07:36] <whoaski_> no more like a giant vending machine
[07:38] <whoaski_> have you ever written your own kernel?
[07:41] <whoaski_> yes I want to sell things but I want to get it from the shelf to a place where a mailman can pick it up automatically
[07:45] <uksysadmin> morning all
[07:45] <uksysadmin> can someone let your ubuntu.com team know the download the final beta link is pointing to Beta1, not Beta2 page.
[07:47] <whoaski_> but my question is what do would you use for a secure webserver    I'm thinking ubuntu server, ruby on rails, apache2, mysql.    and what do you think about nginx?
[07:48] <twb> uksysadmin: #ubuntu-devel might be a better place to mention it
[07:48] <twb> Make that #ubuntu-release
[07:55] <jamespage> morning all
[07:58] <uksysadmin> cheers twb
[08:24] <lynxman> morning o/ morning jamespage
[08:39] <mrintegr1ty> hi, can anyone tell me what the number represents as prepended to various config files (any in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d for example)
[08:43] <xranby> jamespage: morning
[08:44] <jamespage> morning xranby!
[08:44] <mrintegr1ty> if it is a documented feature then i dont know how to find it!
[08:46] <greppy> mrintegr1ty: it's to control the order that they are executed in most of the time.
[08:46] <mrintegr1ty> greppy: but they are config files.. not executed
[08:46] <greppy> ok, fine, "read"
[08:47] <mrintegr1ty> hmm ok
[08:48] <mrintegr1ty> so for /etc/apt/apt.conf.d it contains 01autoremove and 01ubuntu.. does that mean that it doesn't matter which is read first or something else?
[08:48] <greppy> most likely, it will sort on the number first and then the alphas that follow.
[08:49] <mrintegr1ty> something doesn't quite sound right about that.. in the absense of a different explanation i will go with what you say though :)
[08:50] <mrintegr1ty> seems like an ultra basic dependency system
[08:50] <greppy> this is a bad thing? :)
[08:51] <greppy> why make it more complicated than it has to be?
[08:51] <mrintegr1ty> no, guess not
[08:51] <mrintegr1ty> should be documented somewhere though as it's not 100% obvious
[08:51] <mrintegr1ty> i guess udev does it too..
[08:52] <greppy> mrevell: man apt.conf
[08:53] <mrevell> mrintegr1ty, ^^
[08:53] <mrintegr1ty> greppy: hmm i was looking there.. must have missed it
[08:53] <greppy> mrintegr1ty: bah, man apt.conf
[08:53] <greppy> description, item 3
[08:53] <greppy> dangit, item 2
[08:53] <greppy> ( too much multitasking )
[08:56] <mrintegr1ty> greppy: i don't have an ubuntu system with man pages installed so reading this: http://linux.die.net/man/5/apt.conf and I can't see it
[08:57] <uksysadmin> hey all - anybody know if OpenStack Swift 1.4.8 is landing in 12.04? (ttx?)
[08:57] <greppy> mrintegr1ty: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/natty/man5/apt.conf.5.html
[08:57] <ttx> uksysadmin: err, should already be in there
[08:58] <ttx> uksysadmin: interesting
[08:58] <ttx> uksysadmin: Daviey should know more about that.
[08:59] <ttx> I no longer presides over the contents of Ubuntu Server :)
[08:59] <uksysadmin> cheers ttx - just did an apt-get update and still on 1.4.7
[08:59] <greppy> mrintegr1ty: is there a reason that you don't have man pages installed?  ( the irony of you complaining about a lack of documentation and not having man pages installed is... priceless )
[08:59] <uksysadmin> I'll wait for Daviey to respond
[08:59] <mrintegr1ty> greppy: fantastic, thanks
[09:00] <mrintegr1ty> greppy: haha. i looked extensively through the online docs, i do have manpages installed just not on any of the ubuntu servers. locally on my fedora desktop (which wouldn't help here obviosuly)
[09:01] <mrintegr1ty> greppy: reason being minimal virtual machines don't (usually) need them installed
[09:02] <greppy> mrintegr1ty: ah, I normally install them for the occaision when I don't have access to anything else and only have the man pages to check things against.
[09:02] <mrintegr1ty> also, i wasn't really complaining. i actually assumed that it was probably documented somewhere but i just didn't know what terms to search for
[09:02] <greppy> they don't take up that much space.
[09:02] <mrintegr1ty> true
[10:38] <iclebyte> where can I find v2.5 debs of puppet?
[10:42] <alamar> any ideas on what tool to use to generate "forged" ethernet packets in the shell (meaning i'd like to set src,dst,type etc. manually)
[11:29] <jibel> jamespage, I'm re-running raid1 i386. It failed on grub.
[11:30] <jamespage> jibel, oh - nice
[11:30] <jamespage> amd64 was OK?
[11:30] <jibel> jamespage, yes, same version of grub
[11:56] <dogmatic69> Hi all, I am looking for help in changing my dns config permanently. using /etc/resolv.conf is reset during startup.
[11:56] <dogmatic69> using http://tinyurl.com/cafkwbm in the gui seems to work, but I need to do it on a server.
[11:57] <dogmatic69> I cant seem to find what that is changing to replicate on the server. Any ideas? thanks
[12:00] <rbasak> dogmatic69: are you usingn dhcp on the server?
[12:01] <smb> dogmatic69, If you set static ip addresses in /etc/network/interfaces add dns-nameservers and dns-search to the interface stanca
[12:01] <dogmatic69> rbasak: the router is doing dhcp an I am not able to change it.
[12:01] <dogmatic69> smb: the thing is, that window I pasted does not do the config in /etc/network/interfaces
[12:03] <smb> dogmatic69, You are using dhcp anyway. Maybe somewhere under /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/
[12:04] <smb> or update.d
[12:04] <dogmatic69> smb: I have gone through all the files int /etc/resolvconf and /etc/dhcp and /etc/dhcp3
[12:04] <rbasak> dogmatic69: dhclient does it automatically.
[12:05] <dogmatic69> cant find anything with the ip I added
[12:05] <smb> rbasak, I think it needs to be different from what dhcp sets for some reason
[12:06] <rbasak> dogmatic69: on a really old server (hardy I think) I can override DNS using a file that does new_domain_name_servers="$old_domain_name_servers" in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-enter-hooks.d but I don't know if that's still the recommended way and can't remember where it's documented
[12:06] <dogmatic69> smb: I set up a dev server with a dns, so I have *.dev for sites I build.
[12:06] <dogmatic69> running my desktop through the server
[12:07] <smb> I have not done that variation... so unlikely of much help... :/
[12:08] <rbasak> dogmatic69: see /sbin/dhclient-script - looks like that's still current
[12:09] <rbasak> dogmatic69: it allows for overrides
[12:09] <dogmatic69> I will eventually get a better router and that will be easier. Stupid internet provider locks you to their routers
[12:09] <rbasak> dogmatic69: that's the script that actually changes your resolv.conf (when not using resolvconf)
[12:10] <dogmatic69> thanks for the help any how
[12:10] <dogmatic69> better get back to actual work now
[12:11] <rbasak> dogmatic69: how about a cron job to replace your /etc/resolv.conf every minute? :-P
[12:11] <dogmatic69> rbasak: :/
[12:12] <dogmatic69> I cant believe this is so unknown. the amount of blog posts that say edit /etc/resolv.conf (which works, till reboot) and then comments on the post with doggy hacks like that :D
[12:14] <smb> There is a lot of new thinking needed now as the resolvconf replacing /etc/resolv.conf is new
[12:20] <rbasak> The simple reason is that DHCP isn't generally used on servers.
[12:20] <rbasak> (or even if it is, DHCP servers are expected to serve the right thing)
[12:21] <rbasak> And on the desktop, Network Manager allows you to set DNS overrides, and that covers most DHCP users.
[12:39] <zul> morning
[12:51] <Adri2000> zul: hi. why didn't you merge my branch for the horizon bug fix? you included the fix, that's ok, but now I've got a branch + an open merge request lying around in LP. if you really merged the branch, I guess those would have been marked "merged" accordingly?
[12:52] <zul> Adri2000: i did merge it its in the archive right now
[12:56] <jamespage> zul: can you give me an opinion on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dovecot/+bug/970782
[12:57] <jamespage> I've checked the merge and fixed up another issue that the upstream author pointed out to me - mail-stack-delivery works OK
[12:57] <jamespage> but wanted a second opinion on the upstream stability of 2.0.x branch before I talk to the release team
[12:58] <Adri2000> zul: why is https://code.launchpad.net/~adri2000/horizon/rename-apache-config-file/+merge/99574 still open then? I suppose if you did "bzr merge" it would have updated that page, etc.
[12:58] <zul> Adri2000: i merged it against our ci branch, ill close it in a couple of minutes when im done
[12:58] <Adri2000> ok. that's not really important anyway, just wondering why you did it that way
[12:59] <zul> jamespage: is that the only fixes in 2.0.19?
[12:59] <zul> jamespage: and you scanned the ml to make sure there are no regressions?
[13:04] <zul> jamespage: im happy with 2.0.19 but i would talk to ivoks as well
[13:15] <jamespage> zul, lemme take a scan of the ML
[13:23] <jamespage> zul: nothing that I can see - I'd probably just push it up to 2.0.18 as thats been in Debian for a while now
[13:23] <zul> jamespage:  safer than sorry
[13:24] <jamespage> ivoks, if you are around would value your opinion on the above as well :-)
[13:26] <ivoks> jamespage: sure.. let me see what's that we are talking about :)
[13:26] <ivoks> jamespage: oh, dovecot
[13:29] <ivoks> jamespage: lucid's dovecot is of 1.4.x series; meaning that 'mbox: Fixed accessing Dovecot v1.x mbox index files without errors' is a - must have?
[13:30] <jamespage> ivoks, thats a good point
[13:31] <ivoks> that changelog doesn't tell much
[13:31] <ivoks> is that fixed or wasn't broken, but just printing errors? :)
[13:32] <ivoks> if it's just printing errors, while everything works, maybe we can stay with debian
[13:38] <jamespage> ivoks, looking at the commit does not tell much more - but it does do an explicit upgrade step to sort out old indexes
[13:40] <ivoks> sorry, i haven't looked at the code; give me a minute
[13:41] <ivoks> jamespage: right; it looks like it does an upgrade of the mailbox
[13:41] <ivoks> errr. index
[13:41] <jamespage> agreed
[13:42] <ivoks> so, that's a must have
[13:42] <jamespage> ivoks, ack - building now (I'd only merged 2.0.18 so far)
[13:42] <ivoks> it's also something that can be pushed later
[13:42] <ivoks> or just patched to 2.0.18
[13:42] <jamespage> ivoks, TBH the delta for 2.0.19 is quite small - I'd be more comfortable taking the whole release I think
[13:44] <ivoks> jamespage: ack
[13:44] <ivoks> i should find some time for that mail-stack stuff again :)
[13:45] <jamespage> ivoks, its been a bit neglected for the last couple of releases TBH
[13:45] <jamespage> I keep finding time about now in the cycle :-)
[13:45] <jamespage> which is a little late
[13:45] <ivoks> my plan is to work more on it in next releases
[13:46] <jamespage> the drac plugin is completely borked in the current package (Timo pointed this out to me...)
[13:46] <ivoks> too bad it's after lts
[13:47] <ivoks> jamespage: and it supports only ipv6
[13:47] <ivoks> typos, damn typos...
[13:48] <ivoks> jamespage: ipv4 of course
[13:51] <ivoks> oh, that reminds me...
[13:51] <ivoks> zul: around; when i install dashboard, i tries writting in /var/www/.novaclient/ as www-data user; is there a bug about that?
[13:52] <zul> ivoks: yeah fixed in rc3
[13:52] <ivoks> awesome
[13:52] <zul> which i just uploaded like 2 minutes ago
[13:52] <ivoks> zul: you rock :)
[13:53] <zul> ivoks: thats novaclient doing it
[13:53] <ivoks> oh, could be; i wasn't investigating
[14:26] <kirkland> smoser: do you have time to review https://code.launchpad.net/~kermit666/ubuntu/precise/ssh-import-id/newline-fix/+merge/100000 ?
[14:28] <Daviey> kirkland: you need to get the beers in for capturing review number 100000
[14:49] <smoser> kirkland, if i were going to touch that code one more time, i think i'd just remove all the checking.
[14:50] <smoser> you're trusting the other side of the https connection
[14:50] <smoser> the sanity checking has only hurt us
[15:06] <ivoks> win 15
[16:00] <cr3> hi folks, I'm getting this error when running virsh on a configuration containing <os><type>hvm</type></os>: unknown OS type hvm
[16:03] <jcastro> mrevell: hey can we talk maas docs real quick?
[16:04] <mrevell> jcastro, Sure. What works for you. Hangout?
[16:04] <jcastro> IRC is fine
[16:04] <jcastro> I just need to know the canonical location of the docs
[16:04] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/MAAS
[16:04] <jcastro> and there's also, http://people.canonical.com/~gavin/docs/lp:maas/install.html
[16:06] <kirkland> smoser: yeah
[16:06] <kirkland> smoser: my original implementation had no checking
[16:06] <kirkland> smoser: and just hoped that you knew what you were doing when you put that key
[16:06] <kirkland> smoser: I think jdstrand added most of that checking, IIRC
[16:06] <mrevell> jcastro, The link on the Ubuntu wiki is what we're giving people. That'll always be either the docs themselves or have a link to them. Gavin's docs are generated from the restructured text in the MAAS branch. I'm going to pare back the docs in the branch and link out from them to the wiki. Within time we'll have a chapter in the server guide.
[16:06] <jamespage> SpamapS, OK if I pull your proposed upstream patch for http://code.google.com/p/memcached/issues/detail?id=252 into memcached for precise?  looks like we hit this on i386 during the most recent rebuild test...
[16:06] <mrevell> jcastro, So, ignore Gavin's docs unless you're interested in hacking MAAS.
[16:07] <jcastro> mrevell: ok awesome, that's all I needed, thanks!
[16:07] <mrevell> great :)
[16:10] <jcastro> mrevell: ok so one thing we're trying to figure out
[16:10] <jcastro> is where in the docs we tell people to test.
[16:11] <jcastro> so is it like "follow these 2 pages, and then run the checkbox tests" or are the tests done along with the instructions step by step
[16:11] <mrevell> jcastro, matsubara has been working with balloons to get some checkbox tests ready. matsubara is just at lunch. I'll get him to fill you in as soon as he's back.
[16:12] <jcastro> ok awesome, I'll just chill  until he returns
[16:12] <mrevell> cool
[16:23] <SpamapS> jamespage: totally ok. I talked to dormando about it the other day and he said that instead of 5, we should just make it 20
[16:23] <SpamapS> jamespage: I was looking at that FTBFS the other day actually, so glad you're picking it up. :)
[16:24] <jamespage> SpamapS, it should probably re-check the assertion after the loop as well so if it really does fail we pick it up on that test - I'll revise the patch and attach to the upstream bugtracker
[16:25] <SpamapS> jamespage: I talked to dormando about it.. the only reason I didn't merge it was that he was going to do exactly that, but he just hasn't gotten itto it yet
[16:26] <jamespage> SpamapS, ack - on it now
[16:30] <jcastro> jamespage: what flavor of hadoop is in our charm/hadoop PPA?
[16:30] <jamespage> jcastro, hadoop hadoop
[16:30] <jcastro> Apache Hadoop then?
[16:30] <jamespage> vanilla upstream 1.0.1 (will be 1.0.2 once it gets released)
[16:30] <jamespage> jcastro, spot on
[16:31] <jamespage> well almost vanilla - I had to pull in build system patches for precise and arm
[16:34] <MagicFab> If you use Zabbix or will be using it in Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, please mark this as "affects me too": https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zabbix/+bug/972881
[16:36] <EvilResistance> isn't 12.04's repos under freeze?
[16:48] <jamespage> MagicFab, EvilResistance: that does look like a bug fix only release so once its in Debian we should sync up - hopefully early next week looking at the DM's comment in the Debian bug report.
[16:48] <EvilResistance> you assume it'll be uploaded to Debian in time
[16:49] <EvilResistance> if its not in Debian by release, you'd have to have an update done which would dump it in precise-updates
[16:49] <EvilResistance> then everyone would need precise-updates repo added who wants that update
[16:50] <jamespage> EvilResistance, lets hope it is then :-)
[17:05] <zul> jdstrand: fyi https://launchpadlibrarian.net/99952594/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-i386.keystone_2012.1~rc2-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[17:15] <jdstrand> zul: cool, thanks. am commenting in the bug on your latest
[17:15] <zul> jdstrand: cool
[17:21] <adam_g> jamespage: ping
[17:21] <dork> anyone know if it's possible to use compiz over vnc and a xen domu?
[17:23] <jdstrand> zul: commented
[17:23] <zul> jdstrand: thanks
[17:31] <Rapid2214> Hiya, does anyone have a working Bond (LACP) - Bridge with VLAN support?
[17:35] <patdk-wk> Rapid2214, sure, many
[17:36] <patdk-wk> but then, what do you mean by bridge?
[17:42] <zul> adam_g: i updated the changelog to get it ready for tomorrow
[17:42] <adam_g> zul: for what?
[17:42] <zul> for release tomorrow
[17:43] <adam_g> what pkg are you talking about?
[17:46] <matsubara> jcastro, hola!
[17:46] <matsubara> jcastro, mrevell asked me to join this channel as you're looking for me
[17:46] <jcastro> hey
[17:47] <jcastro> hey is there a maas channel or just this one?
[17:48] <jcastro> matsubara: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/MAAS/Testing
[17:48] <jcastro> so I've been working on the wiki pages
[17:48] <jcastro> and the one thing left to do is fill in "Testing"
[17:48] <jcastro> which balloons will be filling out
[17:49] <matsubara> jcastro, AFAICT, there's no #maas channel here on freenode
[17:49] <jcastro> ok so this is the home channel then, good. :)
[17:49] <matsubara> I think this is the right place to talk about maas stuff
[17:49] <jcastro> matsubara: ok so I have an appointment so I have to step out for an hour, but my general idea is to build up this set of wiki pages
[17:50] <jcastro> with step by step instructions on what we want people testing
[17:50] <jcastro> and then we should be good to go
[17:50] <MagicFab> EvilResistance, yes, but I'm hoping to get a sync anyways.
[17:51] <matsubara> jcastro, how about the checkbox tests? would them help?
[17:51] <matsubara> they're fairly complete now
[17:53] <marcoceppi> Can I get some clarification on MAAS, the setup docs recommend having two servers for MAAS, is it that MAAS doesn't use virtualization and only uses the entire hardware or does it virtualize/create containers on the baremetal?
[17:57] <matsubara> marcoceppi, if you're using real hardware, then you'd need at least two machines. one for the maas server and another for the node (and if you add juju to the picture you'd need at least 2 nodes + the server)
[17:58] <matsubara> marcoceppi, what the setup guide doesn't cover yet is how to setup everything using virtual machines but I'm pretty sure there's some doc in the maas tree with that info
[17:58] <zul> jdstrand: we already supply a keystone.8 btw
[17:58] <marcoceppi> matsubara: So, in the case of Juju + maas, if I run a juju bootstrap and that uses an entire server for the bootstrap node?
[17:58] <jdstrand> zul: yes, I was saying add the lack of SSL to it :)
[17:59] <matsubara> another thing you can do is to install the maas server on the host and spin up a couple of virtual machines to act as the nodes. I'm trying that use case today and couldn't get it working just yet
[17:59] <matsubara> marcoceppi, yes
[17:59] <zul> jdstrand: ah ok
[18:00] <marcoceppi> matsubara: Ah, okay. I've got some beefy hardware. Using one of these machines for a bootstrap doesn't make sense. But if it's possible to do with virtual machines that might be better. So, I know this is all still new, just fishing, in the even of using maas with virtual machines as nodes, each node would have to exist prior to it being used, correct? Or would maas be able to create these nodes (
[18:00] <marcoceppi> doesn't seem like it would, given that I know what it does now)
[18:01] <hallyn> roaksoax: hey, would you mind adding guest uuid support to testdrive?
[18:01] <matsubara> yes, you'd need to setup your virtual machine to boot up from an precise-server iso and then choose the option to enlist into an existing MAAS
[18:01] <matsubara> marcoceppi, ^
[18:01] <marcoceppi> matsubara: cool, I look forward to playing with this more tonight
[18:02] <zul> jdstrand: done
[18:02] <matsubara> marcoceppi, cool! if you have any trouble setting it up, feel free to ping me
[18:02] <marcoceppi> will do, is there a preferred vm software to use?
[18:02] <claude2_> anyone here having issues with the megaraid_sas driver for a perc 5i with ubuntu 11.10?
[18:02] <marcoceppi> I guess, virtualizing method
[18:03] <matsubara> marcoceppi, I couldn't get enlistment working on my local machine but it might be a problem with my laptop. I'm debugging that
[18:03] <claude2_> the raid keeps coming up read only
[18:03] <hallyn> roaksoax: there's been a request to do it in kvm directly, but while "nothing is impossible" there is no good clean place to do that there.
[18:03] <matsubara> marcoceppi, I use virtual box
[18:03] <roaksoax> hallyn: sure, could you please file a bug with the details?
[18:03] <hallyn> roaksoax: I'd mark bug 959308 as affecting testdrive
[18:03] <matsubara> marcoceppi, but that's because I already had it set up. I think you can use any virtualization method you prefer as long as a) it can boot from the cd b) the guest can reach the host through the network
[18:04] <roaksoax> hallyn: cool thanks
[18:06] <hallyn> roaksoax: I don't know if it makes sense to specify a uuid in testdriverc, but it's also been suggested on qemu m-l that you could use the fs uuid of the root fs
[18:07] <marcoceppi> matsubara: I've got a spare proliant dl380 lying around, I may try to setup a few Xen machines. Would it be preferable for the maas server to be on the same server, or would it be fine to run it from say my desktop or laptop?
[18:08] <marcoceppi> Then treat each virtual machine on the 380 as a node
[18:08] <roaksoax> hallyn: cool, i'll look into it as soon as I have some free time
[18:09] <hallyn> roaksoax: thanks!
[18:09] <matsubara> marcoceppi, it should be fine to run on your desktop/laptop as long as they're in the same network
[18:09] <marcoceppi> matsubara: awesome, thanks. I'll play around this this more when I get home
[18:10] <matsubara> marcoceppi, ok. let me know how it goes. if i'm not around email the list<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and someone might be able to help you
[18:11] <matsubara> marcoceppi, and thanks for helping testing this!
[18:11] <marcoceppi> matsubara: will do!
[18:14]  * pehden is back (gone 00:34:57)
[18:24] <jamespage> adam_g, pong
[18:35] <adam_g> jamespage: hey about squid
[18:36] <adam_g> missed you yesterday
[18:37] <amarcolino> I have added my user to www:data and made /www writable to users within that group, however, I would like to know how I can make it that when I create file and folders the owner and group should be www:data instead of my user?
[19:02] <jamespage> adam_g, ah yes we did
[19:02] <jamespage> so whats you opinion on how to resolve this?
[19:03] <jamespage> I think we should not be aiming to transform the configuration - it risks to much in terms of edge cases and exposing thing accidentally.
[19:03] <adam_g> jamespage: i agree. i think the only thing we can really do is warn very loudly if we find that they are using a custom squid(v2).conf
[19:03] <jamespage> I'd rather place the users existing squid config somewhere accessible and let then know that they need to rationalise that into a squid 3 config
[19:03] <adam_g> jamespage: perhaps give an option to move it to the squid3 location with a warning that it may not parse or produce the same service
[19:04] <jamespage> adam_g: maybe
[19:04] <adam_g> jamespage: squid.conf (in both v2 and v3) is generated a build time, i went back to lucid and got the hashes for squid(v2): http://paste.ubuntu.com/915009/
[19:06] <jamespage> adam_g, I'll give it a bit of thinking over the next few days
[19:06] <jamespage> anyway have to dash now - later...
[19:07] <adam_g> jamespage: k
[19:08] <thys> hi
[19:08] <thys> where do I configure the  php limit in ubuntu?
[19:08] <thys> ubuntu server
[19:09] <thys> php memory limit
[19:09] <amarcolino> Hi I have added my user to www:data and made /www writable to users within that group, however, I would like to know how I can make it that when I create file and folders the owner and group should be www:data instead of my user?
[19:10] <amarcolino> thys,  /etc/php5/apache/php.ini
[19:11] <thys> I use lighttpd still the same place?
[19:12] <amarcolino> I actually wouldn't know
[19:13] <amarcolino> a quick google search gave this /etc/php5/cgi/php.ini
[19:46]  * pehden is away: I'm busy
[20:52] <Zaitzev> hello
[20:52] <Zaitzev> I just installed proftpd-basic and wonder what I can do about users, shares and whatnot
[20:52] <Zaitzev> anyone here that can help me out a little?
[21:02] <jcastro> matsubara: ok what do you think of this:
[21:02] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/MAAS/Testing
[21:04] <matsubara> jcastro, it looks great to me. I'm really glad we won't have to duplicate the checkbox test in the wiki :-)
[21:05] <jcastro> is there a summary page with all the maas testing information?
[21:05] <jcastro> or is that on each person's hwdb-submissions launchpad page?
[21:08]  * robbiew just did a header cleanup of MAAS pages...fyi
[21:09] <jcastro> saw that, ta
[21:09] <jcastro> matsubara: what's the bare minimum # of machine to test maas?
[21:09] <jcastro> I'm thinking 3 right? one for maas and then 2 nodes for juju?
[21:10] <matsubara> jcastro, yep, for maas only, 2 is enough, so you can test that one node enlists into the server
[21:10] <matsubara> but if you want to use juju, then you'd need 3
[21:10] <matsubara> one for the server, and one for the bootstrap env and another for the service you're deploying
[21:11] <matsubara> jcastro, I don't think there's any other page with a summary page with all the maas testing info. I think we should use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/MAAS/Testing as it looks good to me
[21:11] <jcastro> ok, doing the call for testers now then
[21:11] <matsubara> and we can improve from there, so let's make that the official page from now on :-)
[21:11] <jcastro> rock
[21:12] <matsubara> jcastro, great! thanks a lot for helping with this
[21:12] <matsubara> jcastro, also, you probably seem it, but Nicholas blogged about it here: http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/04/testing-maas-no-mas-no-poco.html and the blog post has all the contact info in case people get blocked
[21:12] <jcastro> I have 3 people already
[21:12] <matsubara> s/seem/seen/
[21:13] <jcastro> but with real hardware they can't just up and test right away, so it gave me some time to fix up the docs
[21:13] <jcastro> matsubara: yeah I am reblogging what he posted since he's not on planet yet.
[21:13] <matsubara> cool
[21:14] <matsubara> jcastro, and feel free to tell people to ping me here or email me if they need help. I'll help as much as can, and if I don't know I'll find someone who can help
[21:15] <jcastro> oh don't worry I got one guy who was so lost in the docs I am sure he'll have an earful for ya. :)
[21:15] <jcastro> though I do like how in one day we're already better than the orchestra docs ever were. *snicker*
[21:21] <matsubara> :)
[21:27] <jcastro> matsubara: hey so, I promise this isn't a trick question. But did we forget to announce MAAS on the server list?
[21:27] <matsubara> jcastro, don't know. mrevell will be able to help you with that as he's doing the announcement
[21:27] <sako> how can i check on which software raid# is configured?
[21:42] <jMCg> Hey folks o/~
[21:43] <jMCg> since I enabled ufw, I see tons olf loglines in syslog which look like this:
[21:43] <jMCg> Apr  4 21:43:09 monitoring kernel: [1539121.328202] [UFW BLOCK] IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=52:54:00:9f:f6:ef:fe:54:00:9f:f6:ef:08:00 SRC=<IP_ADDRESS> DST=<IP_ADDRESS> LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=48470 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=879 DPT=40222 WINDOW=14600 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
[21:44] <jMCg> Yeah. Someone scanning for an exploit.. in.. exchange?
[21:45] <jMCg> Or something.
[21:45] <jMCg> Anyway. I think I should like to reduce the noise.
[21:46] <jMCg> Looks like I'll have to disable logging, because it already *is* on low
[21:51] <jMCg> I see I'm talking to myself again.
[22:36] <jbicha> hi, this is awfully late in the release cycle but would updating libvirt to 0.9.11 be considered?
[22:36] <jbicha> Debian just uploaded it to unstable today
[22:37] <jbicha> I was asking because gnome-boxes needs libvirt-glib 0.0.5 which needs libvirt 0.9.10
[22:38] <hallyn> zul: ^
[22:39] <hallyn> Daviey: ^
[22:39] <zul> ummm.....i would say no
[22:39] <hallyn> jbicha: we had a merge of 0.9.9 from unstable, but nacked it bc we had no compelling need
[22:40] <zul> what we are like a month a way from release arent we?
[22:40] <hallyn> less
[22:43] <zul> so yeah...nack from me
[22:44] <jbicha> ok, if it's a no, I think I'll backport the quirky libvirt (when it's ready) to the GNOME3 PPA then
[23:03] <jbicha> thanks, I was assuming it wouldn't happen but thought it was at least worth making sure! :)


[03:05] <ionstorm> when I upgraded to kernel 2.6.25 in hardy my pulseaudio was gone, how can I get that back
[03:16] <Amaranth> uh
[03:16] <Amaranth> ionstorm: this channel is for intrepid
[03:17] <ionstorm> k
[05:10] <rkazak> So where is the pre-alpha....
[05:15] <rkazak> daily-live I take it?
[18:17] <abarbaccia> hey - can someone here help me out with making a package quickly
[18:18] <abarbaccia> its the latest v4l-dvb modules - i have a package built but then get some conflicts with modules.symbols
[18:24] <qaws> hi, are here fixed dependencies problems, which are in Hardy?
[20:55] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/201202
[23:43]  * Luckrider alerts everyone that I might die again due to lightning


[14:52] <ohsht> hello everyone, has anyone had trouble installing katoolin? by system doesnt load unless i startx command (system loads in command line interface)
[21:10] <xubuntu14i> Hi everybody :)