[12:57] <alex_mayorga> Hello, anyone can tell me how can I add packages on Debian pool to my PPA?
[01:00] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[01:26] <ubotu> New bug: #138489 in launchpad "In project "Name", Launchpad lets me type characters that it knows aren't allowed" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138489
[01:31] <ubotu> New bug: #138490 in launchpad "approximateduration shouldn't spell out numbers <10" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138490
[01:40] <ubotu> New bug: #138492 in malone "Bug page says "Filed here by" when it was actually filed elsewhere" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138492
[01:42] <mpt> Anywone here speak Turkish?
[02:04] <mpt> https://launchpad.net/deisy
[02:40] <ubotu> New bug: #138500 in malone "Warn if assigning a bug to someone not involved with the project" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138500
[03:32] <poolie> mpt, i agree with you about bug 138490
[03:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138490 in launchpad "approximateduration shouldn't spell out numbers <10" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138490
[03:33] <poolie> i got an oops timeout trying to file a new bug, OOPS-618D79
[03:33] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/618D79
[03:34] <poolie> and again.
[03:45] <ubotu> New bug: #138504 in launchpad "confirmation before assigning bugs to unlikely people" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138504
[03:55] <mpt> poolie, I'm sorry, I reported that bug an hour earlier :-]
[03:56] <mpt> ah, you've seen it
[03:57] <mpt> so I guess it depends on whether you think they're the same bug
[04:07] <MFen> i don't suppose there are any migration tools from e.g. berlios/sourceforget to launchpad?
[04:10] <poolie> MFen, i don't know if there's a tool but I think people in this channel can help
[04:10] <poolie> or send mail to launchpad-users
[04:10] <poolie> mpt, you already filed a dupe of bug138504?
[04:10] <MFen> it's not a very big project.  there's probably about 10 bugs in it and an svn tree
[04:10] <MFen> it's probably just the bugs i want to migrate
[04:10] <jamesh> MFen: we can migrate sourceforge.net bugs
[04:11] <jamesh> I don't know about berlios
[04:11] <MFen> same cms type thing
[04:11] <jamesh> s/same/similar/
[04:11] <MFen> (when it's up.. sheesh)
[04:13] <jamesh> MFen: if you are willing to do a bit of work to convert the bug reports to our interchange format, I can probably do the import
[04:14] <jamesh> I can provide you details of the interchange format if  you are interested
[04:14] <MFen> jamesh: it'll be faster to do it by hand, i'm sure
[04:14] <jamesh> MFen: as for the Subversion tree, there are a few options here
[04:15] <MFen> actually, i was misremembering when i said that (too many projects in my head).. i've already migrated the svn to mercurial
[04:16] <jamesh> MFen: okay.  If you are interested in switching to bazaar (the only VCS Launchpad provides hosting for), https://launchpad.net/bzr-hg might be useful
[04:16] <MFen> i'm not. i'm extremely happy with mercurial
[04:17] <MFen> the integration with the bug tracking/history whatevers is frankly not interesting to me
[04:18] <jamesh> fair enough.
[04:22] <MFen> jamesh: i would like to know, though how you make a super-project
[04:22] <jamesh> MFen: at the moment you need to ask an administrator (asking a question at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad should do).
[04:23] <jamesh> MFen: if you need one, they'll create it for you
[04:24] <MFen> jamesh: ok, sounds good
[04:25] <jamesh> MFen: previously we had lots of people creating super-projects where it wasn't appropriate, which just confused matters
[04:25] <MFen> ah
[04:25] <jamesh> (in most cases, a simple project did everything they needed)
[04:25] <MFen> well i've already got two and in the process of creating a third project
[04:26] <jamesh> so it sounds like you have a valid use for one
[04:26] <jamesh> there should be no problem getting it added
[04:27] <MFen> unless there's a better way to organize things? one of the projects is actually an application framework
[04:28] <MFen> i'd like applications built with it, if they appear on launchpad, to be able to connect to it or cobrand somehow
[04:28] <MFen> the other two are basically applications of that one
[04:28] <MFen> but.. i don't really know what you *use* super-projects for :)
[04:29] <poolie> for example, bazaar is a superproject
[04:30] <poolie> containing the tool itself, and all the plugins as subprojects
[04:30] <poolie> https://launchpad.net/bazaar
[04:30] <MFen> ok, but what functionality does the container get you?
[04:35] <mpt> poolie, you linked to it in your subsequent comment on your bug report. :-)
[04:36] <poolie> uh
[04:36] <poolie> i thought i filed that one
[04:36] <poolie> i filed 138504
[04:37] <jamesh> MFen: (a) you can view bugs across all projects in the group, (b) there is a group +filebug form, (c) there are some translation access controls that work based on the project group
[04:37] <jamesh> there are a few others
[04:37] <MFen> hmm
[04:38] <MFen> view bugs across all projects would be useful
[04:38] <MFen> the rest not so much
[04:43] <MFen> argh
[04:43] <MFen> how do you delete a series? :)
[05:15] <thumper> MFen: delete?
[05:16] <thumper> MFen: LP has historically been bad at allowing people to undo mistakes
[05:16] <thumper> but it is getting better
[05:16] <thumper> MFen: seriously though, I'm not sure you can
[05:32] <mpt> poolie, into 138504 you pasted this text from me: "...For fixing the problem when it does occur, Launchpad could warn you on the resulting page but *not* require you to confirm it. Then if it's not what you meant, you can fix it. <http://launchpad.net/bugs/138500>..."
[05:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138500 in malone "Warn if assigning a bug to someone not involved with the project" [Undecided,New]
[05:36] <poolie> mpt, we could do something similar when marking duplicates
[05:36] <poolie> if we don't already
[05:36] <mpt> Well, sure, we need more "Undo" buttons all over Launchpad
[05:38] <mpt> I'm not sure how to solve the "people will think they've caused spam already" problem, but I don't think that's a reason to interrupt them with a confirmation instead
[05:38] <mpt> http://alistapart.com/articles/neveruseawarning
[05:40] <poolie> heh
[05:40] <poolie> i agree with the principle
[05:40] <mpt> bzr commit && bzr undo -> bzr uncommit
[05:40] <mpt> bzr merge && bzr undo -> bzr revert
[05:40] <mpt> bzr push && bzr undo -> ??
[05:51] <jamesh> mpt: gets tricky if you perform operations on a branch from multiple terminals
[05:51] <jamesh> mpt: e.g. Terminal 1: bzr merge, Terminal 2: bzr commit, Terminal 1: bzr undo
[05:52] <mpt> yeah
[05:53] <jamesh> mpt: or "bzr something; cd some-other-branch; bzr undo"
[05:53] <jamesh> does the undo track the session or the branch?
[05:54] <mpt> "bzr undo" would track the branch", "undo" by itself would track the session :->
[05:54] <MFen> thumper: crud.
[05:54] <mpt> (the latter being even less possible than the former)
[05:54] <jamesh> mpt: rewindable desktops!

[05:58] <mpt> I've read that name before somewhere
[06:04] <mpt> ah, http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2002-December/msg00269.html
[06:06] <mpt> cf. http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/features/timemachine.html
[06:10] <jamesh> I'm not sure why "remembers how your system looked on any given day" makes it different from any other software that provides daily incremental backups ...
[06:13] <mpt> It's the UI, the UI, the UI.
[06:14] <jamesh> I am sure it has a nice UI, but the text seems to imply that other backup software can't let you restore files as they existed on particular days in the past
[06:15] <mpt> By now I must have seen half a dozen attempts by developers to design an Ubuntu equivalent of Time Machine, and they're all, "We'll add an item to Nautilus's context menu for files" ...
[06:15] <mpt> missing the point entirely
[06:15] <jamesh> yep.
[06:16] <jamesh> for a start, what do you right click on to recover a file you accidentally deleted? :)
[06:16] <mpt> exactly
[06:16] <mpt> and how do you know which is the last version of the file/folder that contains the stuff you want?
[06:16] <mpt> without actually seeing it?
[06:17] <jamesh> yeah
[06:17] <jamesh> what you really want is a big rewind button on the panel
[06:17] <jamesh> :)
[06:18] <mpt> That would be one way of presenting it, though perhaps over-prominent given how rarely it would be used.
[06:19] <jamesh> mpt: if you're wondering about the response to Bowie's suggestion in the mailing list archives, note that this wasn't his first correspondence
[06:19] <mpt> I guessed as much :-)
[06:20] <mpt> I don't think Apple's design is particularly good, though, because it means there are three different ways of going back to previous versions: Edit > Undo, File > Revert, and Time Machine.
[06:20] <jamesh> This is related to the first idea he brought forward: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3039
[06:21] <mpt> oh!
[06:21] <mpt> *That*'s where I know his name from
[06:21] <jamesh> we actually implemented it in the platform libraries before finding it useless
[06:21] <mpt> I remember that article being linked to from Slashdot
[06:40] <jimmacdonald> where is the shipit status page?
[06:40] <jamesh> https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ ?
[06:47] <jimmacdonald> yeah thanks.
[07:29] <wfarr> about how long does it take on average for uploaded packages to show in "currently building" for PPA's?
[07:30] <jamesh> wfarr: it'd be highly dependent on how many other packages are queued
[07:31] <wfarr> jamesh, but after about 5 minutes, shouldn't it at least show under "Needs building"?
[07:33] <wfarr> I got the "Accepted" email from Launchpad PPA nearly 10 minutes ago
[07:33] <jamesh> wfarr: you'll probably need to wait for some of the soyuz guys to wake up
[07:33] <wfarr> k
[07:34] <jamesh> https://launchpad.net/+builds/samarium <- looks like the x86 builder is idle
[07:34] <wfarr> interesting
[07:35] <wfarr> might be for routine maintenance or something though - last build ended only 12 minutes back
[07:42] <Fujitsu> wfarr: It should start building within a few minutes. The source will be accepted on the 5-minutely job after you upload it, then published on the next 20-minutely job (ie. about 2 minutes), then given builds a few minutes after that.
[07:42] <Fujitsu> Erm, about 2 minutes ago, that should be.
[07:42] <wfarr> ok - thanks Fujitsu
[07:43] <Fujitsu> The binaries won't be available until the */20 after they finish building.
[07:44] <wfarr> and there she goes
[07:44] <Fujitsu> Once the builds are listed, buildds should pick them up within a couple of minutes.
[07:44] <wfarr> k
[07:44] <wfarr> now to wait for the binaries
[07:46] <wfarr> the PPA's make my life easy since my laptop cannot realistically compile large projects like Emacs
[07:46] <wfarr> so having the PPA's let me build packages I otherwise couldn't
[07:49] <jamesh> wfarr: and you don't need to manage chroots for each architecture/distro :)
[07:49] <wfarr> that was the easy part ;)
[07:49] <wfarr> having a laptop that overheats on any compile besides smaller projects
[07:49] <wfarr> was the real pain
[07:49] <jamesh> or worry that your builds will end up depending on some quirk of your development system
[07:50] <wfarr> jamesh, that's what pbuilder was for ;)
[08:02] <wfarr> blah
[08:02] <wfarr> my packages failed to build =(
[08:03] <Fujitsu> wfarr: Wow, your clock is rather fast, but that doesn't look like what broke it.
[08:04] <wfarr> no
[08:04] <wfarr> patches didn't apply cleanly it seems
[08:04] <wfarr> which means another half hour uploading a fixed package :X
[08:05] <Fujitsu> No, you won't have to upload the .orig.tar.gz again.
[08:06] <wfarr> even if I change debian folder to not apply some patches?
[08:06] <Fujitsu> That's in the .diff.gz.
[08:06] <superm1> wfarr, the debian folder is in the .diff.gz
[08:06] <wfarr> kk =0
[08:06] <wfarr> =) **
[08:06] <superm1> so unless its debian native
[08:06] <superm1> you won't need to
[08:07] <superm1> just remember to build the source package with 'debuild -S' rather than 'debuild -S -sa' to not include the .orig.tar.gz in the upload
[08:07] <wfarr> kk
[08:07] <superm1> also note you'll need to bump the ppa version number when you re-upload, so probably ~ppa2 now
[08:07] <superm1> its a good idea to try the builds locally first generally, to make sure that things will build right when you put it on the ppa
[08:07] <superm1> rather than having to reupload, and bump version numbers over and over
[10:00] <ubotu> New bug: #138545 in malone "Option for project bug listing to include bugs in project's packages" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138545
[10:27] <AlinuxOS> hello all, danilos is it normal that https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/nautilus/+imports nautilus(ka.po) isn't still imported ? :)
[10:29] <danilos> AlinuxOS: yes, if you look at https://translations.launchpad.net/+imports/+index?field.filter_target=ubuntu/gutsy&field.filter_status=APPROVED&field.filter_extension=all you can see we've got ~1911 entries to import for Gutsy
[10:29] <danilos> AlinuxOS: and we are currently processing those from September 4th, so your entry should probably get in today or tomorrow
[10:30] <AlinuxOS> :)
[10:30] <AlinuxOS> danilos, why so long time?
[10:31] <AlinuxOS> why not improve this ? :)
[10:32] <danilos> AlinuxOS: well, we are improving it all the times, but there are other things to improve as well...
[10:32] <AlinuxOS> ah... ok :)
[10:33] <AlinuxOS> because some imports need really loong time..sometimes weeks :)
[10:35] <danilos> AlinuxOS: yeah, we are aware of that, but that happens only when we get a lot of Ubuntu packages at the same time (like GNOME and OpenOffice.org update at the same time)
[10:35] <danilos> AlinuxOS: but, we'll fix it soon enough, I hope... and the easier fix is to actually just prioritise human uploads
[10:36] <AlinuxOS> danilos, I understand.
[11:45] <YokoZar_> When I file a bug I can only select what package it affects at the time of file - I can't specify it after I file the bug :(
[11:45] <YokoZar_> So I know my bug affects gnome-chess but it's stuck at "Ubuntu" (no package specified)
[11:46] <pochu> YokoZar_: click on the arrow near Importance or Status, and then change the package.
[11:47] <YokoZar_> pochu: That's an arrow?  Hmm... that part is a little too hidden
[11:48] <YokoZar_> pochu: still, thanks
[11:51] <pochu> YokoZar_: it's been changed recently... if you think it's not clear, file a bug :-)
[11:51] <YokoZar_> So, where do I file a bug in launchpad itself?
[11:51] <YokoZar_> pochu: I went to the top page and clicked report bug but couldn't find a launchpad in there.
[11:52] <pochu> YokoZar_: launchpad.net/launchpad for the general launchpad, and launchpad.net/malone for the bugtracker
[11:52] <YokoZar_> ty
[11:59] <AlinuxOS> danilos, sorry for disturbing, I was thinking about "confirmed terms" dictionary integration with launchpad...
[11:59] <AlinuxOS> is it in program enywhere?
[11:59] <AlinuxOS> teminology dictionary... or something similar.
[12:01] <jtv> AlinuxOS: we have one somewhere, just a moment
[12:03] <jtv> AlinuxOS: oh wait, do you mean for translation?  Or as documentation for Launchpad itself?
[12:04] <AlinuxOS> jtv, something that terms list.
[12:05] <AlinuxOS> or translation memory, transformed in a standard term list.
[12:06] <jtv> AlinuxOS: so, for translation...  Many people have proposed that, and we are working on some things to make that easier.  But for now, it's something that should be agreed with other translators, maybe on a wiki somewhere.
[12:10] <jtv> AlinuxOS: if you look at the blueprints for rosetta, you'll see several proposals.
[12:46] <ubotu> New bug: #138592 in malone "Bug notifications have personal To: header but aren't personal" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138592
[12:51] <kiko> dupe!
[12:53] <AlinuxOS> jtv, thank you!
[12:53] <AlinuxOS> It's really useful feature.
[12:53] <AlinuxOS> jtv, implement something similar & dynamic, will improve translation quality.
[01:01] <jtv> AlinuxOS: we know, but there's so much work to do first!  :)
[01:01] <AlinuxOS> :)
[01:05] <mpt> kiko, do you really think bug 44 is Medium?
[01:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 44 in rosetta "Translations should be searchable" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[01:05] <kiko> mpt, hmmmmm.
[01:05] <kiko> mpt, well, we do have half a workaround
[01:07] <danilos> well, I'll probably just go with stub's proposal to use table partitioning, because his major concern is growing database size with adding a FT index
[01:08] <danilos> (of course, provided LIKE performs as well on those subtables as it does on pomsgid table in my experiments)
[01:08] <mpt> kiko, how important something is is independent of what other work it depends on, IMO
[01:09] <mpt> What would be cool, if/when we get bug dependencies, is Launchpad saying "hey, this is marked Critical but it depends on something else that is only Medium"
[01:09] <mpt> "That ain't right"
[01:09] <mpt> I suppose Blueprint could do that sort of thing right now
[01:13] <jamesh> detecting priority inversion
[01:19] <Kuhrscher> carlos, danilos: Hi, for the new introduced app (Tribe5?) "kdesudo" there is no translation template in Rosetta.
[01:19] <Kuhrscher> carlos, danilos: Do I have to file a bug agains Rosetta for this issue?
[01:20] <danilos> Kuhrscher: more likely a bug in kdesudo package
[01:21] <danilos> Kuhrscher: (I see nothing in https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/kdesudo/+imports)
[01:21] <Kuhrscher> Hmm, the source inlcudes a pot file and a french translation...
[01:22] <danilos> Kuhrscher: ah, it probably just changed from universe to main, or something like that, right?
[01:22] <carlos> danilos: yeah, that's it
[01:22] <carlos> I just checked it
[01:22] <danilos> Kuhrscher: if that's the case, we require a package rebuild
[01:22] <carlos> Kuhrscher: a new package build will introduce those translations
[01:22] <carlos> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdesudo/
[01:23] <Kuhrscher> carlos, Thanks. Do I have to ask someone for this?
[01:23] <carlos> Kuhrscher: anyway, if you request such rebuild, note that the .pot file must be regenerated on build time to be sure that we get latest messages to translate
[01:24] <carlos> Kuhrscher: package maintainers or wait for next package update
[01:24] <carlos> I guess we should add such procedure to package movement from universe to main as a policy
[01:24] <Kuhrscher> carlos: thanks, btw. Kmplayer still doesn't get translated by the langpacks although it is back in main for some month...
[01:25] <Kuhrscher> Same issue?
[01:25] <carlos> Kuhrscher: not sure, language packs didn't get an update since start of this month so maybe is just that
[01:26] <Kuhrscher> carlos: it came back to main August 4th...
[01:27] <Kuhrscher> Btw. shpuld not there be daily langpacks? I though I read something like that...
[01:28] <carlos> yeah, but the build infrastructure had some problems and Martin Pitt was out to fix it
[01:29] <carlos> he came back today, so I hope it will be fixed this week
[01:30] <carlos> Kuhrscher: seems like is not trivial to rebuild the package when it's moved to main
[01:30] <carlos> so that procedure will have a small delay until that's fixed
[01:30] <carlos> it just means that will take some extra days until you can translate it with launchpad
[01:30] <Kuhrscher> carlos: Nothing for a fix it friday? :)
[01:31] <carlos> well, that's outside the scope of Launchpad Translations
[01:31] <carlos> so no idea :-)
[01:31] <Kuhrscher> carlos: I checked mplayer again. There are 2 templates for it in Rosetta, but no *.mo file in the langpack
[01:32] <Kuhrscher> carlos: Ok, the langpack is from August 3rd
[01:32] <carlos> that's it then.
[01:32] <Kuhrscher> probably ;-)
[01:34] <Kuhrscher> You don't know when we will get a newer langpack?
[01:34] <carlos> talking with Martin pitt about that
[01:35] <carlos> Kuhrscher: Martin did an upload today
[01:36] <Kuhrscher> Ah, great.
[01:36] <Kuhrscher> :)
[01:36] <carlos> Kuhrscher: and seems like it will be updated every Wednesday from now
[01:36] <Kuhrscher> Good news.
[01:37] <carlos> Kuhrscher: although the data is from last Wednesday (seems like I broke something :-P) next Wednesday will have a more up to date version
[01:37] <Kuhrscher> ok ;-)
[01:43] <Kuhrscher> ok, bye
[01:53] <Kuhrscher> carlos, danilos: One last question. Are there any issues with the import queue atm?
[01:54] <Kuhrscher> My last upload took about 11 days?
[01:54] <carlos> Kuhrscher: we are finishing catching up with a huge queue
[01:54] <carlos> we have a performance problem with OO.org imports
[01:54] <carlos> and we got three different versions
[01:54] <carlos> our backlog now is 5 days
[01:55] <carlos> and I expect it will catch up before the end of this week
[01:55] <carlos> maybe earlier
[01:55] <Kuhrscher> carlos: Ah, ok. And how could I avoid a review of an uploaded po file?
[01:55] <Kuhrscher> Thanks
[01:55] <carlos> Kuhrscher: for ubuntu, you should not need such review
[01:55] <carlos> it's done automatically
[01:55] <carlos> even if its initial status is 'Needs review'
[01:56] <Kuhrscher> Ah, ok.
[01:56] <carlos> it will change automatically to Approved and then imported
[01:56] <Kuhrscher> Ok, thank you. No more questions for now ;-)
[01:57] <carlos> ok :-)
[02:11] <stone-unix> where should i report a bug of launchpad itself? occur when i doing english to chinese translation online
[02:12] <Fujitsu> stone-unix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta/+filebug
[02:13] <stone-unix> Fujitsu: ok, great. i will go there and report. thanks
[02:13] <intellectronica> stone-unix: https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta/
[02:26] <ubotu> New bug: #138618 in launchpad "Unexpected form data" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138618
[02:31] <ubotu> New bug: #138620 in soyuz "change-override.py -S doesn't move binaries with different names from source" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138620
[02:31] <stone-unix> ok, i just reported the bug, 138618
[02:40] <ubotu> New bug: #138623 in rosetta "Unexpected form data" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138623
[03:23] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi all
[03:24] <Le-Chuck_ITA> mrevell: I am looking forward to join the launchpad-beta-testers team, ahem :)
[03:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I will have to wait a little more it seems :)
[03:37] <mrevell> Le-Chuck_ITA: Sorry, was on a call. I'll post this for anyone else who's reading, even though you've left the channel: we're making a change to the beta team later today, so that beta testers get redirected to our edge server .I'm waiting for that to happen, so I can tell new beta testers, before I approve anyone else. Thanks.
[03:41] <Hobbsee> he's still online, so i wonder why he left...
[04:06] <ignas> hi
[04:07] <ignas> where do i submit bug reports/ feature requests for launchpad / bzr branch handling (namely mailing list support)
[04:10] <kiko> ignas, what sort of mailing list support?
[04:10] <ignas> simple small things
[04:11] <ignas> like - would it be possible ot have a revision number/id in the subject
[04:11] <ignas> so that emails would not be threaded
[04:11] <kiko> ah
[04:11] <ignas> and have a name like "Launchpad checkins" instead of<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:11] <kiko> launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar
[04:12] <ignas> thanks
[04:44] <pgquiles> what's the fqdn to use the PPA in edge? upload.edge.launchpad.net and upload.launchpad.net do not work, and dogfood seems not to build anymore :-?
[04:44] <laga> fqdn = ppa.launchpad.net
[04:45] <kiko-fud> as the docs state. :)
[04:47] <pgquiles> laga: thank you
[04:48] <pgquiles> kiko-fud: where are the docs for edge.launchpad.net?
[04:48] <kiko-fud> pgquiles, I'm not sure I understand. edge has no specific documentation. I was referring to the PPA docs!
[04:49] <pgquiles> kiko-fud: let's hope uploading to ppa.launchpad.net makes my stuff show on edge.launchpad.net
[04:50] <kiko-fud> pgquiles, it will. edge uses the same database as launchpad.
[04:50] <pgquiles> kiko-fud: ok
[05:23] <ignas> i have just accidentally subscribed some poor soul to my branch
[05:23] <ignas> how do i unsubscribe him?
[05:24] <ignas> i can only see edit buttons near subscriptions i have permission to change
[05:24] <ignas> so apparently i can subscribe anyone, but i can't unsubscribe them after that
[06:00] <LaserJock> cprov-lunch: can you be available at 15:00 or 16:00 UTC on Wednesday
[06:09] <AlinuxOS> danilos,
[06:12] <AlinuxOS> msgfmt -cv ka.po -o /dev/null
[06:12] <AlinuxOS> ka.po:3347: end-of-line within string
[06:12] <AlinuxOS> msgfmt: found 1 fatal error
[06:12] <AlinuxOS> I got this error every time
[06:12] <AlinuxOS> even I have no strange things on that line
[06:12] <AlinuxOS> can anyone help me ?
[06:14] <AlinuxOS> ops
[06:15] <AlinuxOS> stragely fixed!
[06:28] <ignas> is it possible to assign some email for a team in launchpad?
[06:29] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:29] <Hobbsee> as in, you want to set a team contact address, or get some bugmail, etc, sent to all members of the team?
[06:29] <ignas> i want bzr checkins sent to the checkin mailing list of my team
[06:30] <ignas> so we could reply to them, and every team member would see the comments
[06:30] <Hobbsee> ie, subscribing to a branch?  or a whole project, maybe...
[06:30] <ignas> at least a branch
[06:31] <ignas> at the moment it seems that every member gets an email if a team is subscribed (i hope, as i am testing that at the moment)
[06:31] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:31] <ignas> but the from email is noreply, and to email is my personal email
[06:31] <Hobbsee> you can set the team email to be the ML though
[06:31] <ignas> so i have no easy way to comment on that change so other team members would see it
[06:32] <Hobbsee> which presumably everyone subscribes to
[06:32] <ignas> ok, i'll ask the team leader to do that
[06:32] <ignas> will i get a bounce if i will accidentally reply to the checkin email with "reply to all"?
[06:33] <Hobbsee> unsure
[06:35] <ignas> it would be kind of nice to have that email set to "whoami" data of the checkin
[06:35] <ignas> instead of<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:36] <bdmurray> I was submitting a new bug report and was shown bug 86701 as a "my bug" candidate, yet while 86701 is new it is a duplicate of bug 3797 which is Fix Released.  Does anyone know if either issue has been reported?
[06:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 86701 in malone "the X-launchpad-bug header is missing information, why I got the mail (dup-of: 3797)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/86701
[06:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 3797 in malone "Bug mails should explain why the person is getting emailed." [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3797 - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko)
[06:40] <ubotu> New bug: #138696 in malone "bug tags do not appear in e-mail headers" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138696
[06:46] <ignas> if only someone would add a mailing list for every single branch registered in launchpad, so emails comming from branches would be not from noreply, but from the mailing list for the branch.
[06:46] <ignas> And any emails sent to the branch would get sent to all subscribers of the branch.
[06:47] <ignas> Should not be too difficult as there already is something like a mailing list for every bug in launchpad.
[06:47] <ignas> So you'd only need unique id's for every branch in launchpad ...
[06:50] <ianm1> what's the best way to do an anonymous checkout from launchpad bzr?
[06:58] <ignas> bzr get "http://code.launchpad.net/..." --lightweight
[06:58] <ignas> if you only need the code
[07:05] <charlieg> how do i register a team?
[07:05] <charlieg> it's really, really not very obvious
[07:05] <synic> where can I see a list of changes for Edge?
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #138701 in malone "Help text for /bugs/+filebug" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138701
[07:07] <LaserJock> charlieg: go to https://launchpad.net/people/
[07:07] <LaserJock> charlieg: there is a link on the left for "Register a new team"
[07:08] <LaserJock> synic: you mean edge.launchpad.net?
[07:08] <synic> yeah
[07:08] <LaserJock> I don't think there is a specific list, but https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+milestone/1.1.9 might give you an idea
[07:09] <synic> k
[07:09] <LaserJock> I think stuff that's "Fix Released" and "Fix Committed" would be on edge
[07:18] <Ng> can beta testers elect to not necessarily be redirected to edge all the time?
[07:19] <LaserJock> you can change it temporarily
[07:19] <LaserJock> if you go to the main Launchpad page
[07:19] <LaserJock> there is a "Disable for 2 hrs" button
[07:19] <Ng> I'm looking at edge.lp.net and I don't have that (I remember that being there the last time this was done)
[07:20] <soren> Ng: nono, launchpad.net
[07:20] <Ng> aha, good point
[07:20] <soren> It's the "real" launchpad that has to not redirect you :)
[07:20] <Ng> yeah
[07:20] <Ng> I'd like to be able to disable my inverted ducky more indefinitely, but this'll do :)
[07:21] <Ng> ooh, it's a rocketship now
[07:22] <charlieg> thanks!
[07:28] <Odd_Bloke> mrevell: 'Am I on a list of beta test applicants somewhere?'-related ping.
[07:30] <`23meg> is it impossible to remove an accidentally added affected distro/package from a bug?
[07:30] <LaserJock> pretty much
[07:30] <LaserJock> you can retarget
[07:31] <LaserJock> I think
[07:32] <`23meg> doesn't seem possible
[07:33] <LaserJock> what's the bug #?
[07:33] <`23meg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/baltix/+source/nautilus/+bug/13199
[07:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 13199 in file-roller "Drag n' Drop directories from File-Roller is somewhat tricky" [High,Confirmed]   - Assigned to Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs)
[07:33] <LaserJock> which one are you trying to remove?
[07:33] <`23meg> baltix
[07:35] <LaserJock> hmm, I'd rather baltix people messed around with their tasks, but you could mark it as "Invalid" to sort of get rid of it
[07:35] <AlinuxOS> when I get to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/gnome-control-center/+imports , I got OOPS-618B1426
[07:35] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/618B1426
[07:35] <`23meg> I think I'll have to do so
[07:36] <LaserJock> LP bug for what?
[07:36] <`23meg> no way to remove affected packages
[07:37] <LaserJock> I *think* that is by design, but I'm not sure
[07:37] <`23meg> me neither :)
[08:47] <geser> is https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/91426/+activity for others also to wide for layout?
[08:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91426 in human-icon-theme "human-icon-theme missing gnome-dev-media-sdmmc.png" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[08:48] <LaserJock> I gotta scroll a little bit, but it's not bad
[08:49] <geser> scroll only vertically or also horizontally?
[08:50] <geser> for me the message column is off-screen
[08:52] <LaserJock> horizontally
[08:52] <LaserJock> if I maximize the window it all fits in horizontally
[08:55] <geser> http://members.ping.de/~mb/Screenshot.png and firefox is already maximized
[08:56] <LaserJock> mines a bit better than that, but it is pretty wide
[08:58] <geser> the other activity logs I checked all fit into the window
[08:58] <geser> so I wonder if I should a bug report it or not
[09:11] <dcm_> how does one make a new project a "super-project"?
[09:12] <dcm_> or "project group" - whatever its called
[09:12] <zzorn> email the admins, I think
[09:12] <dcm_> oh - really? hmmm
[09:15] <Odd_Bloke> dcm_: I think asking a Question in the Launchpad project is the way to go.
[09:16] <dcm_> Odd_Bloke: ah - right, OK thanks
[10:30] <pochu> danilos, carlos: tracker isn't actually translatable, but it seems the templates are waiting in the queue: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/tracker/+imports . Is that Ok, or is there any problem? It seems they have been there for a month.
[10:31] <danilos> pochu: that means we need to manually approve them: we'll slowly get to it
[10:31] <carlos> pochu: the source package needs to be updated to generate the .pot file
[10:31] <carlos> danilos: it lacks the .pot file
[10:32] <danilos> carlos: ah, indeed
[10:32] <carlos> pochu: you can read more about it on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/beagle/+bug/104219
[10:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 104219 in beagle "Translation template was not imported to Feisty" [Undecided,Confirmed]   - Assigned to Kevin Kubasik (kkubasik)
[10:33] <carlos> beagle has the same problem
[10:33] <LaserJock> kiko-afk: ping me when you have a minute
[10:33] <pochu> carlos: cool, thanks a lot
[10:33] <kiko-afk> LaserJock, I have physio in a minute. what's up? :)
[10:35] <carlos> np
[10:58] <carlos> good night!
[10:58] <pwnguin> which product does one report bugs against ppas on?
[10:58] <salgado> pwnguin, soyuz
[10:59] <pwnguin> thanks
[11:00] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[11:01] <mpt> The sun never sets on the Launchpad Empire
[11:02] <pwnguin> guess someone else already filed it =/ six months ago =(
[11:03] <LaserJock> pwnguin: what's the problem?
[11:17] <pwnguin> LaserJock: just a strange default with the build records
[11:17] <pwnguin> maybe i just dont package big things, but ive never actually caught a packing "building"
[11:18] <pwnguin> i'd personally prefer a "all states" view of package builds, but if that's too costly then at least something like finished
[11:20] <LaserJock> pwnguin: ah, yeah
[11:20] <pwnguin> its just annoying to click twice because "currently building" was the alphabetically first in the drop down menu
[11:25] <ubotu> New bug: #138758 in malone ""If you wish report it..., you must log in first"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138758
[11:34] <bdmurray> What is being testing on on edge now?
[11:35] <Kmos> bdmurray: the next LP version.. 1.1.9
[11:36] <bdmurray> Kmos: Do you know where the list of new features is?
[11:39] <Kmos> bdmurray: i don't think they're available before the release.. ask on launchpad-users ML.
[11:39] <Kmos> http://news.launchpad.net/
[11:39] <Kmos> the blog doesn't have anything
[11:39] <LaserJock> bdmurray: https://launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+milestone/1.1.9 ?
[11:40] <Kmos> that's it
[11:45] <bdmurray> Hmm, that isn't as helpful as I would have hoped
[11:51] <yml> Hello goodevening launchpaders,
[11:52] <yml> Is there a way to force launchpad to "refresh" after a bzr push?
[12:10] <mdke> danilos: i need your help with something; you're not around by any chance?
[12:21] <mdke> danilos: emailed :)


[00:01] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: ping
[00:17] <jMCg> How can a package have configs for cron or logrotate but not depend on those?
[00:17] <SpamapS> jMCg: its just dropping them.. it works just fine without them
[00:17] <SpamapS> jMCg: err.. dropping the configs there I mean
[00:17] <SpamapS> jMCg: usually it will recommend or suggest them though
[00:19] <glen1> hey
[00:20] <glen1> when downloading from a server, does it take up much processing power or ram?
[00:23] <SpamapS> no
[00:23] <SpamapS> glen1: it shouldn't anyway
[00:24] <glen1> could I max out the bandwidth(say 100mbit) and not have it max out the cpu?
[00:24]  * RoAkSoAx ends his day
[00:25] <JanC> glen1: that depends on things like the CPU type and the way storage is attached
[00:25] <glen1> ah, just curious bout that thanks SpamapS and JanC
[00:26] <JanC> if your server is a Commodore 64, it will max out the CPU long before you get to 100 Mbit/s  ;)
[00:26] <JanC> with most modern hardware it shouldn't be an issue though
[00:26] <glen1> haha
[00:36] <kellnola_> these day that depends on the ethernet driver mostly. shitty cards will use more CPU
[00:36] <kellnola_> look through the kernel sources and find out which drivers have the most curse words, and avoid them :)
[00:54] <kaushal> Hi
[00:54] <glen1> yo
[00:54] <kaushal> I have installed Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
[00:55] <kaushal> is there a way to know when it has been installed
[00:55] <kaushal> I mean which date
[00:55] <kaushal> on desktop i find installer.log
[00:55] <kaushal> under /var/log
[00:55] <kaushal> i dont find anything on server
[00:55] <kaushal> glen1: hi
[00:56] <glen1> Im a noob I have no clue sorry :P
[00:59] <pmatulis> kaushal: yes, the dates of the files under /var/log/installer
[01:00] <kaushal> pmatulis: i dont have installer directort
[01:00] <kaushal> directory*
[01:30]  * SpaceBass did the unthinkable
[01:31] <SpaceBass> I did an ssh remote upgrade from 10.10 to 11.04... via vpn...and forgot it was running when I closed my laptop for the day...   i
[01:31] <SpaceBass> it appears do-distro-upgrade is smart enough to use byoubu - is that the case? history in the byoubu shell shows it as finishing successfully
[01:37] <JanC> SpaceBass: you should always use screen or byobu when doing anything system-changing remotely anyway   :P
[01:40] <twb> or tmux
[01:41] <JanC> or run it detached or whatever
[01:43] <twb> yeah
[04:22] <Herbs> hi all, I have an 8.04 box (not mine) that is failing to login as tty1 is respawning whenever a user is being authenticated, /etc/events.d/tty1 looks ok script content and permissions /dev/tty1 also anyone got any ideas Im lost with this one
[04:35] <twb> Herbs: is tty2 ok?
[04:56] <Herbs> twb sorry have been in the ubuntu channel I tried editing the /etc/events.d/tty1 respawn to spawn tty2 and got the same
[05:00] <twb> Please just answer the question
[05:09] <Herbs> well if I set the respawn to use tty2 then surely that answers it no?
[05:13] <elb0w_> How do I change the timezone?
[05:13] <twb> elb0w_: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[05:14] <elb0w_> ok will try
[05:15] <elb0w_> hmm
[05:15] <elb0w_> it says 00:14:51 EDT when
[05:15] <elb0w_> I set to America/New_York
[05:17] <elb0w_> wtf
[05:17] <elb0w_> :/
[05:40] <twb> What does "date --rfc-3339=seconds" say?
[05:41] <juzzy_> hello! how might i update from 11.04 beta to 11.04 the official release?
[05:41] <twb> !upgrade
[05:42] <twb> juzzy_: for "beta" to "release" it is probably just applying package updates
[05:42] <juzzy_> twb, yes, i hoped so, but i still see gnome 2.3x
[05:43] <elb0w_> twb: it was correct, im just half asleep
[05:43] <twb> 11.04 ships with gnome 2.30.
[05:43] <elb0w_> I thought its shipping with unity?
[05:44] <twb> I wouldn't know about that, GUIs are off-topic for -server
[05:44] <twb> I'm just quoting the version of the "gnome" package
[05:45] <elb0w_> yeah pretty sure they are going unity now, gnome3 wont be offered by default
[05:45] <elb0w_> need to add a ppa
[05:45] <juzzy_> ahh
[05:45] <juzzy_> where might i find said gnome 3.0 ppa?
[05:46] <elb0w_> you need 11.04
[05:46] <elb0w_> ask in #ubuntu+1
[05:46] <elb0w_> or google
[05:47] <elb0w_> night
[06:21] <juzzy_> IS it safe to uninstall FGLRX?
[06:34] <twb> IMO it's not safe to install, so you're already screwed
[08:13] <grincheux> hi there
[08:15] <grincheux> i installed a 10.04 lts server a few days ago and i'm blocked with ethernet realtek chipset card, reading lot of faqs doing a lot of googleling but still blocked
[08:15] <grincheux> :/
[08:18] <smw> grincheux, define "blocked"
[08:19] <grincheux> in fact lspci -nn or -vvv doesn't show nothing about the card
[08:19] <grincheux> and i tried to compile the r8168 module instead of the r8169 wich is present in the distro but doesn't work at all
[08:19] <smw> grincheux, I know nothing about realtek drivers, but maybe the restricted drivers manager will have it.
[08:20] <grincheux> smw i'll see about it
[08:20] <smw> grincheux, damn, it looks like the still have not made a cli frontend to jockey
[08:21] <smw> nm, jockey-text
[08:21] <smw> grincheux, ^
[08:21] <grincheux> :/
[08:21] <smw> grincheux, didn't work?
[08:21] <grincheux> sorry what dio u mean by jockey-test ?
[08:22] <grincheux> -dio+do
[08:22] <smw> grincheux, run the command sudo jockey-text
[08:22] <smw> grincheux, I am assuming you have no gui btw
[08:22] <grincheux> no have not
[08:23] <smw> grincheux, did it work?
[08:23] <grincheux> btw i tried also debian squeeze and sid and nothing to do to make this damned card working
[08:24] <grincheux> command not found
[08:24] <smw> grincheux, does it tell you the package to install?
[08:24] <smw> grincheux, maybe jockey-common...
[08:25] <grincheux> same not found
[08:27] <smw> grincheux, sudo apt-get install jockey-common
[08:27] <smw> then run jockey-text
[08:27] <smw> grincheux, ubuntu should have told you the package to look in
[08:27] <grincheux> smw, ok i'll
[08:27] <smw> grincheux, run sudo jockey-text. Sudo is so hard to remember ;-)
[08:28] <grincheux> hehe ure right about it
[08:28] <grincheux> :-)
[08:32] <smw> grincheux, did it work?
[08:33] <smw> grincheux, damn... it just occurred to me that jockey uses internet...
[08:48] <grincheux> yep and i have not internet on the box so it's a little bit tricky to do u know
[08:55] <smw> grincheux, yep. I don't think it will be easy... buy a new nic
[08:55] <smw> grincheux, they are 20 bucks and would save you alot of pain
[09:07] <grincheux> smw yep but i only have pci express slots do u know a net card wich is fine in this kind of slots ?
[09:08] <smw> grincheux, no idea. newegg.com :-)
[09:20] <grincheux> k thk for all smw :-)
[11:54] <kyleh0000> hi all has anyone here had any experience in creating an ubunut load balanced cluster?
[11:55] <kyleh0000> or if they know where i can look to get some howto's on the subject
[11:55] <alamar> probably howtoforge... it depends on what kind of cluster you want
[11:56] <twb> So, postfix...
[11:56] <twb> I see this log entry: Apr 27 16:04:31 soy postfix/local[28653]: 479B15AC014<EMAIL_ADDRESS>relay=local, delay=0, status=sent (delivered to mailbox)
[11:56] <alamar> 2 nginx instances in a pacemaker/corosync active/passive cluster as loadbalancers  for webrequest loadbalancing to a farm of webservers with a shared storage works fine
[11:56] <twb> But I can't see a message in /var/mail/jane (mbox), nor can I see a ~jane/.forward
[11:57] <kyleh0000> yeah i tried howtoforge but i cant seem to get any of them working I was just wondering if anyone has had any experience in getting it up and running
[11:57] <kyleh0000> im getting stuck on the shared storage stuff
[11:58] <kyleh0000> the end server will be running 4 nodes with netatalk file services for a fleet of MAC's
[13:23] <Pumpkin-> anyone have a recommendation on what package to use to provide DHCPv6 service from a pair of Ubuntu machines in a fault-tolerant configuration. I specifically want DHCPv6 over SLAAC.
[13:23] <remix_tj> Pumpkin-: i did a test with dhcpd-test
[13:23] <remix_tj> *server
[13:23] <remix_tj> and was working
[13:24] <Pumpkin-> okay, sounds good. I can see a bunch of potential packages, but if good old isc-dhcpd will do it, that will be good.
[13:29] <twb> Note that DHCPv6 is only needed for additional info -- discovering an IP and available routes is all automatic in IPv6 land
[13:32] <Pumpkin-> twb: yeah, I specifically don't want to use SLAAC for some crazy requirements about logging things.
[13:33] <twb> Oh, I see
[13:33] <twb> I misread you as saying "DHCPv6 over SLAAC" as in "I have SLAAC and I want to run DHCPv6 on top of it"
[13:33] <twb> ITYM "instead of" or "in preference to"
[13:34] <twb> If you just have logging requirements, you could always have something like tcpdump log the SLAAC traffic
[13:39] <hggdh> good morning Daviey
[14:08] <RoAkSoAx> morning all
[14:08] <RoAkSoAx> TREllis: ping
[14:08] <RoAkSoAx> negronjl: ping
[15:21] <Doonz> Can anyone recomend a bandwidth monitoring package that allow you to line up your billing cycle
[15:21] <Doonz> Im using vnstat2 and have the 17 set as my roll over day but when ever i look at the stats it just shows the standard 1-3* data
[15:46] <hggdh> Daviey: we gotta talk, sir
[15:50] <Daviey> hggdh, hello!
[15:50] <Daviey> hggdh, fancy a call?
[15:57] <hggdh> Daviey: certainly
[16:01] <robbiew> hggdh: while you're chatting it up...can you close out https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/cloud-server-n-uec-qa
[16:02] <hggdh> robbiew: sir, yes sir! ;-)
[16:02] <robbiew> hggdh: ;) thnx
[16:08] <pmatulis> i did a "tasksel remove virt-host" and my desktop began to be removed.  normal?
[16:29] <nealmcb> (having no luck in #ubuntu....) at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NattyUpgrades#AlternateUpgrade it says to   gksu "sh /media/cdrom/cdromupgrade"   but the natty cdrom doesn't have a cdromupgrade file.  What's up?
[16:30] <JanC> nealmcb: what natty CD dod you have?
[16:31] <JanC> s/dod/do/
[16:31] <nealmcb> JanC: ubuntu-11.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[16:31] <JanC> nealmcb: those instructions are for the alternate CD ?
[16:31] <nealmcb> hmmm - that's il....
[16:32] <nealmcb> thx
[16:32] <alamar> is there any particular reason why there are no natty torrents on the v6 tracker?
[16:42] <robos> so ubuntu doesn't install /usr/bin/mail by default?
[16:43] <RoyK> no, there are packages for that
[16:43] <RoyK> just run 'mail' and ubuntu will tell you where to find it
[18:23] <jcastro> soren: hey how did etherpad end up working for you guys?
[18:24] <soren> jcastro: I think it's holding up reasonably well. I'm not sure how badly we're beating on it, though.
[18:25] <soren> jcastro: while there are hundreds of attendees here, I'm not sure how many are actually using etherpad.
[18:30] <jcastro> soren: ok
[18:30] <jcastro> thanks!
[18:31] <soren> jcastro: Sure!
[18:32]  * SpamapS is sure if etherpad used mongodb it would be web scale.
[18:48] <Pumpkin-> I've just done a fresh 11.04 server install, and I'm having some trouble getting it to output a display my monitor will actually display. I'd be more than happy with just a 80x25 text display, but I can't even stop the grub2 boot process with shift to even think about setting some boot flags
[18:52] <SpamapS> Pumpkin-: you should see grub without pressing shift for 3 seconds
[18:54] <Pumpkin-> yeah, this is bizzaro, but I think grub is setting some video mode the monitor isn't liking
[18:54] <savid> Can anyone point me to a guide on setting up additional interfaces on ubuntu server?   My server has another IP available, but I'm responsible for configuring the interface.
[18:54] <Pumpkin-> if I just leave it long enough, it boots and gives me a nice old 80x25 console
[18:55] <SpamapS> Pumpkin-: there's a setting to make sure grub is text only..
[18:56] <SpamapS> Pumpkin-: try /etc/default/grub   GRUB_TERMINAL=console
[18:56] <Pumpkin-> cheers, giving that a shot now
[18:56] <SpamapS> Pumpkin-: and if you wouldn't mind filing a bug with your monitor's specs, that would help us avoid the issue later. :)
[18:57] <Pumpkin-> sure
[18:57] <savid> All the howto's I can find on google simply point to switching from DHCP to static IP,  but I want to add an additional static IP address.
[18:58] <patdk-wk> pumpkin, older motherboard? with onboard video?
[18:58] <pmatulis> savid: edit /etc/network/interfaces
[18:58] <Pumpkin-> patdk-wk: its whatever is in this HP Proliant DL360 G4 (which is a bit old, yes)
[18:58] <pmatulis> savid: and 'man interfaces'
[18:59] <patdk-wk> hmm, ati rage
[19:00] <patdk-wk> not sure about that one
[19:02] <zul> SpamapS: did you do the samba sru for the upsstart job?
[19:03] <SpamapS> zul: yes
[19:03] <zul> SpamapS, ok cool
[19:03] <zul> just asking
[19:05] <Pumpkin-> okay, but report coming in when I get back to a real machine. I've just tried it with a more modern monitor too, both monitors say "signal out of range".
[19:09] <Pumpkin-> but forcing grub into console mode has the thing booting at least, thanks
[19:11] <strigoi66> how would one go about getting there server viewable on net
[19:14] <SpamapS> Pumpkin-: DL380 G4's are amazing machines. ;)
[19:14] <SpamapS> Pumpkin-: had one stay up for about 30 months straight
[19:15] <SpamapS> Pumpkin-: thanks, btw.. let us know if you need help w/ the bug report
[19:15] <SpamapS> Pumpkin-: the best way is to run 'ubuntu-bug grub-pc' on the box itself
[19:16] <SpamapS> Pumpkin-: then once its collected/sent the info, copy the link to your real machine and finish the report
[19:17] <patrickmw_> Spamaps: hey, I'm validating bug 761971 . What is the expected result when "boot degraded disk" is false and a disk is disconnected?  Should the system hang on a blank screen or should there be some sort of message?
[19:17] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 761971 in mdadm "no notification that one of the disks has been disconnected in a raid 1 configurtion" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/761971
[19:17] <SpamapS> patrickmw_: it should stop and ask you if you want to boot degraded or not
[19:19] <SpamapS> patrickmw_: note the link to http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ServerRAID1 in the description
[19:20] <patrickmw_> SpamapS:  I had a long wait time before the system started to boot.   So ignore that.  But, now that the system booted, I still did not get prompted whether to boot or not.
[19:21] <patrickmw_> I'm double checking the mdadm version
[19:22] <SpamapS> patrickmw_: make sure also that when you installed it triggerd update-initramfs
[19:23] <SpamapS> patrickmw_: and make sure its actually degraded (cat /proc/mdstat)
[19:24] <SpamapS> I only test on kvm so it may be very different w/ hardware :-/
[19:24] <patrickmw_> SpamapS, I think that was the problem :)  I just restarted again and I got the key prompts
[19:25] <patrickmw_> Spamaps, sorry to bother, thanks
[19:25] <SpamapS> patrickmw_: no apologies necessary, THANK YOU for testing!
[19:25]  * SpamapS bear hugs patrickmw_
[19:26] <patrickmw_> Spamaps, hehe np.
[19:26] <robertj> man I hope this turns out to be a hardware issue :( my lvm partition keeps getting mysteriously corrupted
[19:42] <SpamapS> robertj: pay it more and threaten it with legal action if it can't stay on the straight and narrow. ;)
[19:42] <robertj> Dude, I already built temple in each of my server closets and great paramid
[19:44] <SpamapS> there's your problem... gotta slay a goat
[19:48] <ublunt> hey iam using ubuntu server 10.10 and need some assistance on troubleshooting my mail server it has suddenly stopped sending and recieving mail
[19:51] <Pici> ublunt: Have you noticed anything weird in /var/log/mail.* ?
[19:53] <ublunt> so that would be the first thing i would do is check my log/mail?
[19:58] <SpamapS> ublunt: yes logs generally are the first place to look for clues
[20:14] <arrrghhh> hey all, anyone mind offering some advice on LVM?  i'd like to set it up, but i obviously want to backup my data - which i'll need to get a new hard disk to backup all my data.
[20:15] <pmatulis> how do i get a more verbose log/output of a package install?  is there a proper way (not using strace) to do that?
[20:28] <pmatulis> arrrghhh: what is your question?
[20:28] <arrrghhh> well i assume i have to format to switch to lvm
[20:28] <arrrghhh> so i need to buy a new hard disk to back everything up
[20:29] <arrrghhh> then do i add LVM to the other disks, move the data, and then add the new hard disk into LVM?
[20:29] <arrrghhh> i've never used it before, but i've done a lot of reading so i have basic concepts
[20:29] <pmatulis> arrrghhh: you need to start over if you want to use LVM on existing partitions
[20:29] <arrrghhh> my 'main'/boot disk i don't think i will add lvm to
[20:30] <arrrghhh> only the 'data' disks
[20:30] <arrrghhh> and i understand the existing partitions need to go.  so i need to buy another hdd, backup everything to the new hdd
[20:30] <arrrghhh> then apply lvm to the old disks
[20:30] <pmatulis> arrrghhh: add hard drive, put on lvm, transfer data
[20:30] <arrrghhh> move data again
[20:30] <arrrghhh> add new disk using lvm ?
[20:31] <pmatulis> of course, that's what you want right?
[20:31] <arrrghhh> it also seems like a good idea to leave some raw/unpartitioned space so i can expand the sections later
[20:31] <arrrghhh> well if i could add lvm without backing up data that would be ideal
[20:31] <pmatulis> there you go
[20:31] <arrrghhh> but it seems necessary step
[20:31] <arrrghhh> no?
[20:31] <pmatulis> arrrghhh: add hard drive, put on lvm, transfer data
[20:31] <arrrghhh> oh start new hdd with lvm
[20:31] <arrrghhh> backup data
[20:32] <arrrghhh> to lvm disk
[20:32] <arrrghhh> then format old disks and add them to lvm
[20:32] <pmatulis> right
[20:32] <arrrghhh> ah ha, that will be much easier.
[20:32] <arrrghhh> either way, i'm buying a new hard disk tho yea?
[20:33] <pdg1> i'm having a heck of a time finding information on this. are ports closed on ubuntu server? I'm used to the desktop edition :p
[20:33] <arrrghhh> i don't have enough disk space to backup all my data.
[20:33] <arrrghhh> pdg1, yes
[20:33] <arrrghhh> no ports are open by default
[20:33] <arrrghhh> no services are listening by default
[20:33] <arrrghhh> same on desktop edition
[20:33] <pdg1> alright
[20:33] <pdg1> thanks :)
[20:34] <arrrghhh> np
[20:34] <arrrghhh> if you're going to run a service like apache pdg1
[20:34] <arrrghhh> or any service really, might want to use a firewall.  ufw makes iptables easy.
[20:34] <pdg1> ufw?
[20:34] <pdg1> ultimate fire wall?
[20:34] <arrrghhh> lol
[20:34] <arrrghhh> uncomplicated
[20:34] <pmatulis> !ufw
[20:34] <arrrghhh> but you can think ultimate, that works.
[20:34] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: howdy! Is it possible to specify the mirror to the archive to use when using the NQA preseed?
[20:35] <arrrghhh> ah, i forget about the bang commands :P
[20:35] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: hmm, not really;  it's totally static
[20:35] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: we need to generate the NQA preseed
[20:35] <pdg1> mama pajama... that's awesome :)
[20:36] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: right, but in the preseed we would be able to specify what mirror to use if we generate it, right?
[20:36] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: oh, yeah, absolutely
[20:36] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: so kinda like: import mini.iso, enable reposync by debmirroring, and then generate the preseed to point to the reposync created by cobbler...
[20:37] <RoAkSoAx> s/to the reposync/mirror/
[20:43] <arrrghhh> pmatulis, thx for the help.  i'm a little nervous about the process, but i have a lot more reading to do before i attempt it ;)
[20:44] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: right
[21:30] <andriijas> why is there both python2.6 and python2.7 in natty?
[21:36] <lifeless> andriijas: because its nice for users to be able to upgrade their local scripts separately from the os upgrade
[21:40] <andriijas> as far as i know 2.7 is totally backwards compatible with 2.6, except that it adds deprecation warnings to 3.x stuff
[21:41] <coco> is this the right channel for asking about setting up an irc server
[22:07] <bluethundr> hello.. I am trying to cat /etc/lsb-release to find the version of this old ubuntu server, but that file doesn't exist. any guesses as to what other file I can look in for clue as to release version?
[22:07] <bluethundr> I suspect it's because this machine is too old
[22:10] <alamar> sources.list?
[22:12] <bluethundr> alamar, thanks I'll have a look
[22:41] <jMCg> /proc/version?
[23:00] <zul> bluethundr: cat /etc/issue
[23:01] <bluethundr> zul tx!
[23:10] <quentusrex> I'm running into an issue on an Ubuntu KVM server install where the the qcow2 image is created, but the guest is not defined  in libvirt.
[23:10] <quentusrex> I'm running vmbuilder, and I don't see any errors with the script running with the --debug flag.
[23:10] <quentusrex> I have this issue reproduced with two servers,
[23:11] <quentusrex> but I have other servers working with the same provision script.
[23:12] <hallyn> quentusrex: you're using --libvirt flag or whatever it is?
[23:12] <hypetech> what's a good tool for taking a full image of an ubuntu server install and restoring it to a fresh hard drive?
[23:13] <_SHuN_> hypetech: dd
[23:13] <quentusrex> hallyn, yes, I believe so.
[23:14] <quentusrex>   --libvirt qemu:///system
[23:14] <quentusrex> and virsh --list all works fine.
[23:15] <hypetech> _SHuN_: how can you restore a DD image on a blank drive?
[23:15] <Patrickdk> the same way you made a dd image :)
[23:15] <hallyn> quentusrex:  best to file a bug against vmbuilder.  show full cmdline and virsh list --all results before/after.
[23:15] <_SHuN_> hypetech: dd if=image of=destination
[23:17] <hypetech> _SHuN_: hmm, could I DD to/from a network location from a live CD?
[23:19] <compdoc> I notice in a fresh install of natty, that services like acpid and irqbalance are not set to run. Are these not needed anymore? I intend to use the box as a qemu-KVM server
[23:19] <_SHuN_> hypetech: i believe that's possible through a ssh pipe
[23:20] <hypetech> _SHuN_: alright, thanks
[23:22] <_SHuN_> hypetech: something like that... ssh user@hostname dd if=image | dd of=destination
[23:28] <SpaceBass> hey folks
[23:29] <SpaceBass> have a server box that has a failed upgrade to 11.04 - trying to recover using a recovery CD. I did a series of apt-get -f and dpkg --configure -a .... that made some progress, however it appears to have reached the end. dpgk --configure -a keeps failing
[23:29] <SpaceBass> can I force a re-application of the upgrade?
[23:57] <nimrod10> SpaceBass,  just out of curiosity which version was it previously on your server ?
[23:58] <hypetech> Any solutions to keystroke lag over SSH to a server with minimal load and a low latency traceroute?


[14:46] <ricotz> mlankhorst, hi :), regarding the mesa-packaging-git, could you merge the mesa/ubuntu changes into mesa/ubuntu+1?
[15:07] <mlankhorst> sure
[18:29] <LiamW> hi guys, I recently installed Ubuntu 11.10 from a LiveCD on an iMac with a shot GPU (I used the kernel options "root=0 recovery nomodeset") to boot the LiveCD successfully. Now that I have installed Ubuntu, I can no longer start X (I can assure you that the NVIDIA drivers are installed. nvidia-xconfig does nothing.) I have ssh access to the machine, any help would be appreciated!
[18:33] <LiamW> here is the output of "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log": http://paste.ubuntu.com/7208968/
[23:06] <tomreyn> LiamW: so have you read the "COMMON PROBLEMS section in the README"? also, does it work with nouveau?
[23:07] <tomreyn> did you do what the channel topic suggests?
[23:10] <LiamW> tomreyn: turns out it was an issue with the kernel. I installed Ubuntu 13 and now everything seems to work fine, despite that the GPU glitches out over 1280x720
[23:11] <tomreyn> there's no such thing as "Ubuntu 13"
[23:12] <LiamW> ... 13.04
[23:12] <tomreyn> better install a version which is not EOL
[23:15] <tomreyn> (unless you have no plans to connect to any networks nor connect any external storage.)
[23:17] <LiamW> http://itsfoss.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Linus-Torvalds-Fuck-You-Nvidia.jpg


[03:48] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[12:44] <lotuspsychje> affected to bug #1865169
[14:41] <nael_n> lotuspsychje I can confirm that bug. Looks like it's well taken care of
[14:48] <nael_n> Some time ago I reported here that GEdit's Terminal plugin crashes GEdit in 20.04: bug #1866565. It's been fixed upstream and the developers have made a bugfix release. The fix isn't making its way into downstream Debian and Ubuntu though. Is there a maintainer to contact to notify them of the new upstream release? I don't know how to proceed here
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> nael_n: the #ubuntu-release guys might know more of that, i see seb128 helped you in that bug
[15:19] <nael_n> lotuspsychje yeah is it acceptable to contact him directly? Launchpad doesn't have a tagging feature like GitHub or GitLab. I'm not sure what's the proper etiquette for notifying other users
[15:19] <lotuspsychje> nael_n: seb128 sits in #ubuntu-release
[15:21] <lotuspsychje> could ask him there whats the prefered next step
[15:21] <nael_n> Oh OK, I had no idea! I'm omw
[15:23] <nael_n> Do you know where every Ubuntu developer is? XD
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> nael_n: #ubuntu-release is where alot of devs gather, to push the packages
[15:24] <lotuspsychje> there's also #ubuntu-devel
[15:24] <nael_n> Alright! Good to know (y)


[15:31] <Riddell> is there a tech board meeting now?
[15:37] <shadeslayer> \o
[15:48] <shadeslayer> guess not
[15:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[15:49] <Riddell> hum
[16:01] <Riddell> 16:31 < Riddell> is there a tech board meeting now?
[16:02] <mdeslaur> hi Riddell
[16:02] <mdeslaur> Riddell: infinity, pitti and stgraber can't attend
[16:03] <Riddell> this doesn't quite answer my question :)
[16:06] <mdeslaur> I'm not sure yet, if kees doesn't show up and it's just me and slangasek, we're likely to cancel it I guess
[16:07] <Riddell> sigh
[16:07] <slangasek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda also didn't get updated, who's supposed to be chairing this week?
[16:08] <mdeslaur> infinity was supposed to
[16:18] <mdeslaur> slangasek: looks like kees isn't going to show up. Should we cancel, and respond on-list?
[16:19] <slangasek> mdeslaur: I think that's the way to go
[16:20] <slangasek> Riddell: sorry - no reason we can't still have discussions on IRC as needed, but I think there's no point in calling that a TB meeting


[10:56] <jahshua> irc lag
[10:56] <shmoolik> hello
[10:57] <xIllu> oh
[10:57] <jahshua> i have jumped servers etc
[10:57] <jahshua> efnet
[10:57] <jahshua> so its not that
[10:57] <xIllu> ur isp maybe?
[10:57] <jahshua> nah
[10:57] <jahshua> its never like that on xp
[10:57] <jahshua> which is what i used to use
[10:57] <jahshua> about 2 hours ago =]
[10:57] <jahshua> heh
[10:58] <M_Cheevy> morning ppls
[10:58] <Voodoo_Vibe> M_Cheevy: Morning!
[11:00] <M_Cheevy> welp, just did the upgrade to kde3.5  should I be concerned that "Login Screen Setup" application doesn't work anymore (maybe because it's gdmsetup and I'm now using kdm?)
[11:00] <M_Cheevy> other than that one hiccup, all seems to have gone well...
[11:01] <hunika> can I have winamp for linux a new version
[11:01] <hunika> not like xmms
[11:01] <hunika> it is a bit ild
[11:01] <hunika> old
[11:01] <hunika> something new like winamp
[11:02] <M_Cheevy> hunika: there is a winamp for linux?
[11:02] <hunika> it is??????????????
[11:02] <hunika> where/
[11:02] <hunika> ???????????
[11:02] <hunika> it is downloadable
[11:02] <hunika> ?
[11:02] <M_Cheevy> hunika: sorry, misunderstood...
[11:03] <M_Cheevy> english a second language for ya?   "it is" makes a statement "is it" makes a question
[11:03] <M_Cheevy> sorry, still working on my first cuppa coffee
[11:05] <ninnghizidha> oh .. coffee ... i want a cup of it too.
[11:05] <M_Cheevy> ninnghizidha: good Kenya AA... come to auckland and I'll pour ya a cup ;)
[11:06] <M_Cheevy> Kenya AA and the Graceland concert on DVD... god Narobi would be nice for an hour or two today.....
[11:06] <M_Cheevy> (so I just got dvd playback working :) )
[11:07] <nalioth> hunika: xmms = winamp
[11:07] <M_Cheevy> only problem is now that everything is stable I only have 120mb left on my 3gb cap for the month
[11:09] <ninnghizidha> too late for coffee, guys.
[11:09] <M_Cheevy> ninnghizidha: hahaha ;) just don't try to make a custom kernel after drinking that ;)
[11:10] <ninnghizidha> ... but i guess i'd have lots of fun while compiling.
[11:10] <M_Cheevy> so, is there an equivlant program to gdmsetup for kdm?
[11:11] <M_Cheevy> ninnghizidha: yeah, but some of the kernel config choices might be a bit garbled ;)
[11:11] <bam_> anyone knwo if korganizer can sync with a remote ical file
[11:11] <ninnghizidha> ... like they are now ....
[11:11] <M_Cheevy> and wine would help?
[11:12] <ninnghizidha> ... no ...
[11:12] <ninnghizidha> ... quite delicious wine ....
[11:13] <Voodoo_Vibe> is there any program like daemon-tools on Windows for Linux??
[11:13] <M_Cheevy> enjoy ninnghizidha, seeing as how I woke up not too long ago I'll refrain
[11:13] <mmport81> what does daemon-tools do?
[11:13] <ninnghizidha> what does the daemone-tool do?
[11:13] <Voodoo_Vibe> mount an image file
[11:14] <M_Cheevy> bbiab
[11:14] <ninnghizidha> i guess this is possible with internal tools, mmport81
[11:14] <ninnghizidha> ... look for loopback-devices, mmport81
[11:14] <mmport81> ninnghizidha: yeh maybe, no idea - never tried b4
[11:15] <shmoolik> hello
[11:15] <shmoolik> does any one here used koffice ?
[11:15] <ninnghizidha> well ... i know this is possible .. but i dont know how .. tjust search the forums for loopback, i'km sure you will find a way.
[11:16] <ninnghizidha> are there any kde-icons-sets with a low eyecancer-risk out there too?
[11:16] <mmport81> mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/isotest -o loop
[11:16] <mmport81> possibly?
[11:16] <mmport81> oops no
[11:16] <ninnghizidha> sounds good ... just try it :-)
[11:17] <mmport81> that won't work...
[11:17] <shmoolik> ninnghizidha: u mena likr 'highcontast' ?
[11:17] <ninnghizidha> no .. i mean without colors.
[11:17] <mmport81> well u could try something like that...
[11:17] <shmoolik> yeah then u mean 'highconrast'
[11:18] <ninnghizidha> hehe .. learning by trying.
[11:18] <shmoolik> wait i will give the package name ( its nice black and white icon set :] )
[11:19] <ninnghizidha> hehe ... no .. not really, shmoolik  ... something a bit for style at the cost of color.
[11:19] <ninnghizidha> i'm curious :-)
[11:19] <shmoolik> Monochrome ninnghizidha  thats the IconSetPakage
[11:19] <ninnghizidha> i'll try it .. give me a minute to try it out.
[11:20] <shmoolik> :]  o love this icon set :]  look real stylesh
[11:20] <shmoolik> styleish *
[11:21] <ninnghizidha> oh .. i cant find it .. where shall i seek it?
[11:22] <shmoolik> wait  i will give ya the deb pakage name
[11:22] <shmoolik> try kdeaetwork-theme-icon
[11:23] <shmoolik> i think its in there
[11:24] <ninnghizidha> got it ... and found some themes too with it ... hooray!
[11:24] <shmoolik> :[[
[11:24] <ninnghizidha> thanks a lot so far ... i'll post reactions as soon as possible
[11:24] <shmoolik> :] ] *
[11:25] <voicu> Aptitude doesn't let me install a package (glibc-2.3.2). What could be the problem? No errors, just that when I press '+' nothing happens
[11:27] <_nano_> I'm getting a "composite failure" popup alert in kde whenever I logon, is there a way to remove that? I remember enabling transparency in the window behaviour settings, but i've disabled that now. and still the popup is not refusing to go. what seems to be the problem?
[11:28] <ninnghizidha> i got the same today ... but it vanished after disabling transparency.
[11:29] <_nano_> ninnghizidha: you disabled from the Kcontrol right?
[11:31] <ninnghizidha> thats right.
[11:31] <_nano_> Also I'm getting a lot of "An error occured while loading ....Unknown host" errors while using Konqueror for web browsing...any tweaks I could use to avoid that?
[11:31] <ninnghizidha> at window-options ... something like that.
[11:32] <_nano_> !konqueror
[11:32] <ubotu> [konqueror]  the default Web Browser, File Manager, FTP manager and Universal viewing manager for the K Desktop Environment. See http://konqueror.org
[11:36] <ninnghizidha> i guess, i'll stay with kde ... its is far more costumizable... i really like that
[11:37] <Snake__> Hey, if I Download kubuntu off the site, will it have KDE 3.5??
[11:38] <ninnghizidha> .. but i cant find iconSetpackage ...
[11:39] <voicu> right after i installed kde games, kynaptic or aptitude won't install anything... it says that the package 'locales' doesn't exist and when i want to install it (locales) nothing happens. what is going on?
[11:40] <voicu> i tried to download it and it doesn't want to replace it because it already exists
[11:41] <_nano_> voicu: try using apt-get, you can see the messages in that way and thus the problems
[11:42] <voicu> that's what i used... i got a message that said that those packages already exist
[11:43] <voicu> i should mention that when i installed kde games, kynaptic uninstalled some packages
[11:43] <voicu> i uninstalled kde games but i can't put back those that kynaptic deleted
[11:45] <_nano_> you can use force install if you have the packgages downloaded
[11:45] <_nano_> !dpkg
[11:45] <voicu> do you know which flag should i use?
[11:47] <_nano_> sudo apt-get --force-yes install  <packagename>
[11:47] <voicu> ok, thanks
[11:47] <_nano_> sudo apt-get -f install
[11:47] <_nano_> ^^ shorter form
[11:48] <ninnghizidha> Do you guys need firefox when there is konqueror too?
[11:49] <_nano_> ninnghizidha: konqueror still seems to have problems with plugings
[11:49] <_nano_> *plugins


[09:54] <karthik> hello
[09:54] <karthik> a small help ?
[09:55] <karthik> anyone ?
[09:55] <karthik> i'm on the final stage of installing ubuntu touch UI
[13:14] <ogra_> cyphermox, we need to look into manta (N10) bluetooth together at some point, i can see it being powered in dmesg once i rfkill unblock it, but i dont manage to get the Ubuntu side to work at all
[13:48] <RodrigoAlmeida> Hi there.. I am always reading about ubuntu phone.. I want to install it on my nexus 4 but before do it i want to know if the description about "what to expect after flashing" will really work on my phone. After flashing can I use it day by day?
[13:49] <RodrigoAlmeida> I use Ubuntu since 6.04 in my computer and in my company.. I am big fan
[13:49] <RodrigoAlmeida> I want to use it in my phone.
[13:50] <ogra_> RodrigoAlmeida, the features that are there work well ... but there are still many things missing ... it really depends what you usually do with your phone ...
[13:51] <RodrigoAlmeida> I use everything like email, sms, hangout..
[13:51] <RodrigoAlmeida> Those apps works on ubuntu phone? Like google hangout?
[13:51] <ogra_> no hangouts, no email yet
[13:51] <ogra_> calls, sms and the like work well
[13:52] <RodrigoAlmeida> Hmmmm I see
[13:52] <ogra_> calendar, alarmclock etc too
[13:52] <ogra_> there is a G+ app that kind of works but isnt comparable with the android one at all
[13:53] <ogra_> facebook and gmail are there as webapps (which is essentially their mobile webpage)
[13:53] <ogra_> if you can live with such limitations the phone is usable on a day to day basis ... if you cant ... well, then it isnt
[13:54] <RodrigoAlmeida> Hmmm nice.. I guess i will it today. My 4g or 3g works? Mobile data?
[13:54] <ogra_> (someone just started work on an imap client)
[13:54] <ogra_> yep, that stuff works fine
[13:54] <RodrigoAlmeida> Woow.. So this is perfect for me.. I really do not use social network a lot..
[13:54] <ogra_> location doesnt work so well yet (maps etc)
[13:55] <RodrigoAlmeida> Hmmm ok.. Are you using it now?
[13:55] <RodrigoAlmeida> On your phone?
[13:55] <ogra_> (it works but only via GPS (which needs up to 40min to register toi a sattelite) not via AGPS (the fast variant))
[13:55] <ogra_> yes
[13:56] <ogra_> i usually only read some news, do some G+ and phone and sms with it
[13:56] <ogra_> for these it works fine
[13:56] <ogra_> i'm missing email a lot though :)
[13:56] <RodrigoAlmeida> Nice! I am going to flash my phone right now..
[13:57] <RodrigoAlmeida> I will try it and see what's happen
[13:57] <ogra_> just dont put to high expectations in ... it is still a very young system :)
[13:57] <RodrigoAlmeida> Thank you a lot and sorry for bug you!
[13:57] <RodrigoAlmeida> All right. :)
[13:57] <ogra_> heh, nobody forced me to answer you ... enjoy :)
[13:58] <RodrigoAlmeida> :D
[13:58] <RodrigoAlmeida> Thanks.
[14:12] <Tassadar> ogra_: does adding google account in system settings -> accounts do anything? I mean, does it sync with it somehow or something like that?
[14:12] <ogra_> it does *someting* ... no idea what :P
[14:12] <ogra_> i dont think the gmail app uses it
[14:13] <Tassadar> no
[14:13] <ogra_> and i know for sure G+ doesnt
[14:13] <Tassadar> it wants me to log in again)
[14:13] <ogra_> it is supposed to be used by apps ... but i dont think there are many that mke use of the accounts API yet
[14:14] <ogra_> that email app is in an astonishingly good state already, wow
[14:14]  * ogra_ is just playing around with it
[14:15] <Tassadar> is it on the "store"?
[14:15] <ogra_> nope
[14:15] <ogra_> the click is at http://ubuntuone.com/4TfdZdBSpLuR7DEwn8MPc3
[14:16] <Tassadar> by the way, how do you call your "app store"?
[14:16] <ogra_> udo -H -u phablet pkcon install-local /path/to/downloaded/click
[14:16] <ogra_> *sudo
[14:16] <Tassadar> thanks
[14:16] <ogra_> i call it "frank"
[14:16] <ogra_> :P
[14:16] <ogra_> i dont think it has a name yet :)
[14:17] <ogra_> i usually call it the click store
[14:20] <Tassadar> huh, it's enough to type in the address and password, it'll figure out the rest by itself, nice
[14:20] <ogra_> i guess that only works if your server has the right domain
[14:21] <ogra_> i had to set it up in the detailed settings later to work properly
[14:21] <Tassadar> I used gmail account
[14:21] <ogra_> it also eats cpu like crazy when syncing
[14:21] <ogra_> but for a first preview its really good
[14:21] <Tassadar> yeah, it's also not very smooth on n5
[14:21] <ogra_> https://plus.google.com/103255629963793469067/posts/FUai6JMLQyW
[14:22] <ogra_> neither on n7
[14:22] <ogra_> :)
[14:22] <Tassadar> I guess because it has a lot of objects on the screen
[14:23] <ogra_> well, it syncs in the background
[14:23]  * ogra_ has 30000+ mails in his Inbox alone ... about 3mio in total across all folders
[14:23] <Tassadar> it isn't eating any cpu anymore, I think it already downloaded everything
[14:23] <Tassadar> well, like 8% now
[14:23] <ogra_> ah, nice
[14:24] <ogra_> it goes that low for me as well and then it is actually responsive
[14:24] <ogra_> changing to another folder nearly kills it though
[14:25] <Tassadar> (keep in mind that I'm still a bit biased by Android, which made it it's goal to get stable 60fps last year)
[14:26] <Tassadar> (and has years of development behind it)
[14:26] <ogra_> well, i think we are not to far if it comes to the shell itself
[14:26] <ogra_> apps are still lagging a lot
[14:26] <ogra_> especially the browser sucks ... cant wait til the new one comes
[14:27] <Tassadar> yeah, the "homescreen" is fine, but for example calendar isn't, especially with the "yearly" view
[14:27] <ogra_> yeah
[14:27] <ogra_> we'll switch to Qt 5,2 next week
[14:27] <ogra_> that should improve things a bit
[14:28] <Tassadar> by the way, it seems to me the landscape orientation detection is a bit too sensitive - like, it is enough to shake the phone a bit and it starts the portrait -> landscape animation already
[14:28] <ogra_> i have that on android too
[14:29] <ogra_> but you are not the first to mention it
[14:29] <ogra_> probably needs some "de-sesibilization" :)
[14:32] <Tassadar> that's weird, the screen dims a bit when I don't touch it for a while on N5, but brightness setting does not work on N5 Oo
[14:32] <ogra_> heh
[14:33] <ogra_> popey, bah, when was planet ripped out of the defaults from shorts ?
[14:38] <Tassadar> hmm, powerd-cli brightness works too
[14:48] <Tassadar> indicator-power doesn't use powerd, wonder why
[14:48] <Tassadar> it tries to search for the sys file in /sys/class/backlight/, but hammerhead doesn't have any in there
[15:36] <popey> ogra_: long time back, for 13.10 release iirc
[21:46] <bob__> do we have any concept as to supported date for nexus 5?


[09:46] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:05] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:08] <Dragonkeeper> hey guys im wondering if anyone can help me with my audio .   i only manage to get sound from headphone jack  not from speakers
[11:12] <BluesKaj> Dragonkeeper,  laptop with intel audio?
[11:13] <Dragonkeeper> BluesKaj: chromebook with intel audio *
[11:14] <BluesKaj> Dragonkeeper,  open alsamixer and make sure automute is disabled
[11:15] <Dragonkeeper> BluesKaj: wheres automute ?
[11:19] <BluesKaj> use F6 to see all the controls
[11:25] <Dragonkeeper> f6 gives me devices,   builtin or hdmi      built in has speakers and headphones turned up  .. didnt see no automute.   but i have pulseaudio on here too and thats all turned up and showing activity  just no sound
[11:27] <BluesKaj> does pavucontrol have the correct audio output settings ?
[11:30] <Dragonkeeper> well it shows activity on speaker setting but cant hear anything ..  shows activity on headphones and i have sound there   .  its one card with seperate ports
[11:32] <BluesKaj> do the speakers work when the 'phones are unplugged?
[11:36] <Dragonkeeper> no
[11:38] <BluesKaj> could you pastebin alsamixer with the F6 setting pls
[11:40] <Dragonkeeper> http://paste.ubuntu.com/11903479/
[11:46] <BluesKaj> Dragonkeeper,  looks like you have to choose the soundcard in box on the upper right, the run, sudo alsactl store after using escape to get back to the prompt
[11:47] <BluesKaj> no guarantees , chromebooks audio might be different then regular laptops
[11:47] <BluesKaj> than
[11:48] <BluesKaj> usually intel is pretty straightforward, but this situation seems puzzling
[11:59] <Dragonkeeper> well that broke it .. so i removed pulse . reset alsa ,  went through settings and managed to get headphones back   but still no speaker
[11:59] <Dragonkeeper> might just have to leave it for now
[12:02] <BluesKaj> Dragonkeeper,  try sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel , then reboot
[14:55] <studio_> hi
[14:56] <studio_> is there a solution to get the ui from ubuntu-next-desktop working on vbox 5.0?
[14:59] <studio_> i mean, how to fix the problem with the not working logon ...
[15:07] <studio__> is someone here?