[04:13] <Kakalto> (...strange thing is, this version of the bios isn't meant to have this problem)
[04:13] <Kakalto> okay...
[04:14] <snowblink> kakalto: usually set to AUTO
[04:14] <Kakalto> it is set to auto, but not LBA
[04:15] <Kakalto> do I set it to LBA?
[04:15] <snowblink> yup
[04:15] <Kakalto> but I still can't specify how big the HDD is
[04:15] <snowblink> kakalto: will reboot and check current BIOS settings
[04:15] <snowblink> kakalto: brb
[04:15] <Kakalto> okie
[04:16] <kraetzja> im trying to write code that uses readline/readline.h, and ive installed libreadline4-dev, and the code compiles fine, but when it links, im getting an undefined reference to 'readline'
[04:16] <belal122> can someone please help me with this.  im trying to install gyach but i get this error
[04:16] <belal122> root@ubuntu:/home/mohammed # dpkg -i gyach-enhanced-pyyvoicechat_1.0.6-2_i386.deb
[04:16] <belal122> dpkg: error processing gyach-enhanced-pyyvoicechat_1.0.6-2_i386.deb (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[04:16] <belal122> Errors were encountered while processing:
[04:16] <belal122>  gyach-enhanced-pyyvoicechat_1.0.6-2_i386.deb
[04:16] <kraetzja> what am i doing wrong?
[04:19] <snowblink> Kakalto: It's an AWARD BIOS
[04:19] <Kakalto> yup
[04:19] <snowblink> Kakalto: Set to User defined
[04:19] <Kakalto> err
[04:19] <Kakalto> there is no option for that, is there?
[04:19] <belal122> can someone please explain this to me:
[04:19] <belal122> root@ubuntu:/home/mohammed # dpkg -i gyach-enhanced-pyyvoicechat_1.0.6-2_i386.deb
[04:19] <belal122> dpkg: error processing gyach-enhanced-pyyvoicechat_1.0.6-2_i386.deb (--install): cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[04:19] <belal122> Errors were encountered while processing:
[04:19] <belal122>  gyach-enhanced-pyyvoicechat_1.0.6-2_i386.deb
[04:19] <snowblink> Kakalto: It's the very first column
[04:20] <Kakalto> it says there "Press Enter" for autodetecting
[04:20] <snowblink> Kakalto: Should be under a colum labelled TYPE
[04:21] <Kakalto> hang on, from the main BIOS menu
[04:21] <Kakalto> I go to the first option
[04:21] <snowblink> Kakalto: Got to Standard CMOS Setup
[04:21] <belal122> oops..nvmd.  got it
[04:22] <Kakalto> ya...
[04:22] <snowblink> Kakalto: should give you 4 HDD slots
[04:22] <Kakalto> well, 4 slots, anyway, two are cd-drives, and one is unused
[04:23] <snowblink> Kakalto: okay. Next to the drive in question, what options can you change?
[04:23] <Kakalto> "IDE HDD Auto-Detection
[04:23] <Kakalto> "
[04:23] <Kakalto> "IDE Primary Master"
[04:24] <Kakalto> and Access Mode"
[04:24] <snowblink> Kakalto: Try the primary master
[04:24] <Kakalto> My Options: Auto/Manual/None
[04:24] <amblin> yes
[04:24] <Kakalto> None turns the hdd off completely
[04:25] <amblin> grr
[04:25] <snowblink> Kakalto: that's good. go for manual
[04:25] <Kakalto> ok
[04:25] <Kakalto> then...
[04:25] <snowblink> Kakalto: I'm assuming your drive is >33GB
[04:25] <Kakalto> which it is
[04:26] <snowblink> Kakalto: set the size to 33816MB
[04:26] <Kakalto> I can't
[04:26] <Kakalto> those options are shaded for no possible use
[04:26] <Kakalto> *no change possible
[04:26] <afonit> is there much of a performance difference between PC2700/PC3200/PC3700 DDR ram?
[04:27] <snowblink> Kakalto: okay try this
[04:27] <larsrohdin> can someone help me configure my tv-out port on my gfx card?
[04:27] <snowblink> Kakalto: can you get into linux?
[04:27] <snowblink> Kakalto: would like to see what fdisk reckons is on that disk
[04:27] <Kakalto> snowblink... on the livecd, yeah...
[04:28] <Kakalto> try it?
[04:28] <snowblink> Kakalto: can you show output of fdisk for that drive?
[04:28] <Kakalto> give me a few moments
[04:28] <snowblink> Kakalto: If the remaining space is being used, then windows may well have a problem with it
[04:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> what exactly is the system called in ubuntu that handles mounting?  hal or something like that?
[04:30] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: g-v-m is the final thing that receives the messages and invokes the commands.
[04:30] <Kakalto> snowblink, I gave windows its own partition
[04:30] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: before that, the kernel basically tells hal, which tells g-v-m
[04:31] <snowblink> Kakalto: how big is the partition?
[04:31] <snowblink> Kakalto: are there any other partitions on the same drive?
[04:32] <Kakalto> first: the windows partition is approx. 30GB
[04:32] <Kakalto> secondly: and there is 4 other partitions
[04:32] <snowblink> Kakalto: I believe Windows will object to those other partitions
[04:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> The problem with g-v-m is that if you have two g-v-m's running, both will get messages from HAL which means that they will race for mounting the device. Ideally one of them should go to sleep even though that solution may not be so satisfactory.
[04:33] <snowblink> Kakalto: what is on those partitions?
[04:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> is this true?
[04:33] <Kakalto> snowblink, I think not
[04:33] <snowblink> Kakalto: did you have access to those partitions before via windows?
[04:33] <jdub> BROKEN_LADDER: roughly
[04:33] <Kakalto> I have tried combining everything, and installing windows on the hdd, with only 1 partition, and it still won't work
[04:33] <Kakalto> snowblink: I have ubuntu on those partitions
[04:34] <Kakalto> apart from the swap partition, and the win 95 ext'd
[04:34] <snowblink> Kakalto: so this all worked and could boot before?
[04:34] <Kakalto> and the partitions didn't exist when windows last worked on this comp
[04:34] <Kakalto> snowblink:yes
[04:35] <snowblink> Kakalto: that's what I meant. If those partitions exist, you won't be able to boot windows
[04:35] <snowblink> Kakalto: Only when I used fdisk to make sure there was nothing past 30GB could I boot windows
[04:35] <Kakalto> ahh, I think I understand now
[04:36] <Kakalto> so, free up everything apart from what windows uses
[04:36] <Kakalto> and leave the free memory, free
[04:36] <snowblink> Kakalto: exactly
[04:36] <Kakalto> ?
[04:36] <Kakalto> kewl
[04:36] <Kakalto> I HAVE to get sleep soon...
[04:36] <snowblink> Kakalto: kia ora
[04:36] <Kakalto> fingers crossed this works
[04:36] <Kakalto> lol
[04:36] <Kakalto> you in NZ?
[04:37] <snowblink> Kakalto: no, but you are. ;)
[04:37] <Kakalto> ;p;
[04:37] <Kakalto> *lol
[04:37] <Kakalto> you posh british person you
[04:37] <Falstius> where can I download the warty packages from directly? (without using apt)
[04:37] <tfh> lo, what is the easiest way to edit the menu in gnome 2.9 (hoary version)
[04:37] <Falstius> or hoary for that matter
[04:38] <scylax> Falstius: www.ubuntulinux.org
[04:39] <Kakalto> snowblink: hopefully I'll get this working within the next 4 hours, the comp has to be ready by then ;)
[04:39] <Kakalto> give or take half an hou
[04:39] <Kakalto> *hour
[04:40] <snowblink> Kakalto: good luck. don't forget to make sure the windows partition is bootable and to write the partition table
[04:41] <Kakalto> I have.
[04:41] <Kakalto> although, I very much hope this works
[04:41] <Kakalto> if it doesn't, I won't be surprised, but I have one other alternative
[04:41] <larsrohdin> what alternatives are there to nautilus?
[04:41] <snowblink> Kakalto: remove windows and install ubuntu?
[04:42] <Kakalto> I wish
[04:42] <tfh> there are no ways to edit the menu ?
[04:42] <Kakalto> snowblink: sadly, it's not my comp, I can't make that kind of call
[04:42] <tfh> because i tried nautilus applications:///
[04:42] <tfh> didn't work
[04:43] <seb128> hoary ?
[04:43] <Kakalto> snowblink there's a special boot loader which (apparently) bypasses the 33gb cap
[04:43] <seb128> no graphical way to edit the menus with 2.9 atm, but you can create/changes .desktop files
[04:43] <tfh> ok
[04:43] <Kakalto> snowblink; which would mean I could install windows
[04:43] <tfh> where are those situated  ?
[04:43] <snowblink> Kakalto: ah - sounds good
[04:44] <seb128> /usr/share/applications for the system ones and ~/.local/share/applications/ for the user ones
[04:44] <tfh> thanks
[04:45] <seb128> np
[04:45] <Kakalto> snowblink: do I require the LBA access mode?
[04:45] <snowblink> Kakalto: stuff I've read suggests you have it on.
[04:45] <tfh> seb128, i can't find that folder
[04:46] <Kakalto> snowblink; in the BIOS settings for the hdd, you choose either auto, CHS, LBA, or something else
[04:46] <Kakalto> should I leave on auto
[04:46] <Kakalto> or go LBA
[04:46] <snowblink> Kakalto: try on auto and see if you have problems
[04:46] <Kakalto> I've always had problems on auto
[04:46] <snowblink> Kakalto: give LBA a go
[04:46] <Kakalto> (windows is a problem-generator, I suppose)
[04:46] <seb128> tfh: the user one ? that's normal, that's an user config, it's not created for you, just create it if needed
[04:48] <manchot> is there a way to automatically generate /etc/fstab ?
[04:48] <Kakalto> manchot: It's a small file, why would you need to?
[04:49] <Kakalto> however, I believe you can
[04:49] <Kakalto> snowblink: I think I'm gonna get some hdd  read errors...
[04:49] <manchot> Kakalto, I hate to manually edit it and I lost my backup
[04:51] <Kakalto> manchot, obviously your backup wasn't backed-up ;)
[04:51] <Xerbee> what do i type for the xserver config? Its something with xserver-config xfree86 or something?
[04:51] <snowblink> Kakalto: any luck?
[04:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> if you're using xfree86 it's like xf86config
[04:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> XF86Config..something like that
[04:52] <Kakalto> snowblink: installing base windows files now...
[04:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> or you can just edit your file manually.
[04:52] <snowblink> Kakalto: oh - I thought you had a working windows already
[04:53] <Xerbee> BROKEN_LADDER, Ok, occy told me a way yesterday, think it was somemore then XF86Config
[04:53] <tfh> seb128, ok i see the .desktop files and read some, but I don't understand how they are arranged in the menu, how is that done ? in order to edit it ?
[04:53] <Kakalto> snowblink, nope, that's why I've been having troubles
[04:53] <bet0x> Hello all, any can tell me how i add a apt-get source 2 download programas?
[04:53] <bet0x> its my first Ubuntu day :D
[04:53] <Kakalto> snowblink, that doesn't mean your help won't work, does it?
[04:53] <occy> Xerbee: :)
[04:53] <Kakalto> bet0x: join the club
[04:53] <Xerbee> Hi there occy :)
[04:53] <snowblink> Kakalto: still good
[04:54] <bet0x> i have the original cds
[04:54] <bet0x> looks really good
[04:54] <Kakalto> bet0x: That is, assuming you count from when I first touched ubuntu
[04:54] <occy> Xerbee: what be the problem?
[04:54] <snowblink> Kakalto: but refers back to the time when I first installed windows on this box
[04:54] <Kakalto> otherwise it's the day after
[04:54] <tfh> seb128, ok sorry just saw thath some .desktop files had a Category tag in there .... that must be it
[04:54] <bet0x> im a fedora user, im using rh at 5.0v
[04:54] <bet0x> :D
[04:54] <Kakalto> snowblink: ah
[04:54] <Kakalto> k
[04:54] <bet0x> and ubuntu looks really good at speed and work
[04:54] <bet0x> very fast installation too
[04:54] <maart> hi. can someone help me with restoring grub?
[04:54] <bet0x> perfect for desktop
[04:55] <bet0x> maart, grub-install /dev/hda
[04:55] <bet0x> or the first mbr partition where you whant to install it
[04:55] <bet0x> :)
[04:55] <Kakalto> bet0x: indeed, the ubuntu installation was fast.... that in itself was a problem for me
[04:56] <Kakalto> I now can't get it to dual boot with windows
[04:56] <bet0x> Kakalto, you know how i add a ubuntu mirror for APT?
[04:56] <bet0x> Kakalto, but?, say the problem
[04:56] <bet0x> shoot
[04:56] <bet0x> :D
[04:56] <maart> bet0x im using knoppix atm and that command doesnt work
[04:57] <maart> cannot create directory `/boot/grub': Read-only file system
[04:57] <Kakalto> snowblink: disk read error occured.
[04:57] <tfh> you have to fakeroot into the /boot/ partition on your hd
[04:57] <bet0x> maart, are you root?
[04:57] <maart> yes
[04:57] <Kakalto> bet0x, to add a mirror for APT, I think you go into
[04:57] <snowblink> Kakalto: Auto or LBA?
[04:58] <bet0x> maart, dont use knnopix, use the livecd of ubuntu
[04:58] <Kakalto> snowblink:auto
[04:58] <maart> livecd crached
[04:58] <snowblink> Kakalto: What version of Windows are you trying to install?
[04:58] <Kakalto> bet0x: into the main thing... cant' remember exactly what it was called
[04:58] <Kakalto> XP Home
[04:58] <Kakalto> The most user-friendly, and the most linux-un-friendly
[04:59] <Kakalto> (likely)
[04:59] <bet0x> :p
[04:59] <snowblink> Kakalto: what's it doing when you get the error?
[04:59] <Kakalto> I mean, I'm sure DOS would co-operate with linux
[04:59] <Kakalto> it's just past the DMI pool stuff
[04:59] <Kakalto> straight after checking if it can boot off a cd
[05:00] <snowblink> Kakalto: are you sure your media is good?
[05:01] <Kakalto> you mean my hdd?
[05:01] <snowblink> Kakalto: your windows CD
[05:01] <Kakalto> snowblink: sure as can ever be
[05:01] <Kakalto> it worked earlier yesterday
[05:02] <manchot> I got these errors when booting:
[05:03] <manchot> in hotplug section, pcirhp.ko and shpchp.ko can't be loaded. "operation not permitted"
[05:03] <Kakalto> okay, I'm worried now
[05:03] <snowblink> Kakalto: sorry.  on phone
[05:05] <snowblink> Kakalto: read errors sound like CD issues
[05:05] <Kakalto> snowblink couldn't be.
[05:05] <Kakalto> at that time, it's not accessing any cds
[05:06] <Kakalto> it's accessing the hdd
[05:06] <snowblink> Kakalto: ah - you've installed already?
[05:06] <Kakalto> half
[05:06] <safir> hi all
[05:06] <Kakalto> windows has 2 stages of installation
[05:06] <Kakalto> the base files, then configuring the devices, drivers, accounts, etc.
[05:07] <snowblink> Kakalto: you may want to just check all your hardware - IDE cables are pushed in etc.
[05:07] <Xerbee> Can someone help me? I think the problem is my graphic card drivers, the live cd runs great but when im installing ubuntu the drivers wont work :(
[05:07] <safir> which server should i type in synaptics to download ubuntu packages?
[05:07] <Kakalto> snowblink; it can't be that, because ubuntu had no problems installing
[05:08] <Kakalto> snowblink; but if I look up on the internet, it is apparently a problem with version 4.5 of the award bios, but I have version 6, so I shouldn't get this problem
[05:09] <snowblink> Kakalto: have you tried installing to this partition?
[05:09] <snowblink> Kakalto: with linux
[05:09] <Kakalto> no, why?
[05:09] <Kakalto> you think it would work?
[05:09] <snowblink> Kakalto: just thinking - could be bad sectors in this partition
[05:10] <snowblink> Kakalto: wouldn't help your windows
[05:10] <Kakalto> snowblink; I wouldn't think so, but it's worth a try
[05:10] <Kakalto> snowblink; attempting an install on the linux(currently free) par of the hdd
[05:11] <Kakalto> if it works, I will be liking British accents even more ;)
[05:11] <snowblink> Kakalto: that should work, but not sure how that will help
[05:11] <optyk> safir: -> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SynapticHowto
[05:12] <safir> thx optyk
[05:12] <Kakalto> well, it'll mean I have a solid problem which I can say to my friend "YOUR HDD IS SCREWY. GET A NEW ONE!"
[05:12] <Kakalto> :P
[05:12] <optyk> Xerbee: X won't start after install?
[05:12] <Xerbee> optyk, Nope the thing is that it runs on the live cd... but after install it complains about no device found and im 90% sure its the graphic card
[05:13] <optyk> what kind of card is it?
[05:13] <Xerbee> optyk, Its a X800 vivo Sapphire
[05:14] <Kudret> I have problem with wxga screen on my laptop. X is working great in 1280x800, but when I switch to consoles using ctrl+alt+f{1-6} screen gets garbled that I cannot read anything, untill I switch back to X. how can I solve that problem? While booting everything is readible, problem starts after X is started.
[05:14] <safir> optyk, the howto doesnt mention any servers?!
[05:15] <snowblink> Kakalto: windows has the first primary partition right?
[05:15] <Kakalto> snowblink, before, it did, yes
[05:15] <Kakalto> originally it had the whole hard drive
[05:15] <Kakalto> I am now making it not have the first primary partition.
[05:16] <Kakalto> hopefully it won't throw a hissy fit about not being the no.1 on teh comp
[05:16] <snowblink> Kakalto: I don't think it will like that
[05:16] <Kakalto> you know how emotional windows gets, don't ya?
[05:16] <Kakalto> heheh
[05:17] <Kakalto> maybe if I say "THIS OR NOTHING!!" to it?
[05:17] <Kakalto> in a nice-sounding, polite voice?
[05:18] <Kakalto> if only it understood how lucky it is to have 5hrs of my precious sleep-time used up for it
[05:18] <Kakalto> ...for it to NOT WORK
[05:18] <Kakalto> ...atleast half a dozen times
[05:18] <optyk> Xerbee: try running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 in a terminal
[05:19] <Xerbee> optyk, And then? I have tried VGA, ATI and VIA
[05:20] <optyk> vesa, maybe...I don't have any cards that new to play with
[05:20] <Pluk> Xerbee, you installed the fglrx driver?
[05:21] <kern> How can I browse the available packages that Ubuntu provides?
[05:21] <Xerbee> Pluk, Nope, im new on ubuntu so i dont think i have installed them
[05:22] <Pluk> install xfree86-driver-fglrx  and then run fglrxconfig
[05:22] <bretzel> hi all :-) -- Someone knows motherboard : P4 S478 ASUS P4P800-SE 865PE 4D5P1A ?? because I want to change my actuall mb for that one - Want to know if Ubuntu / linux will install well in that mb ..
[05:23] <Xerbee> Pluk, How do i install them?
[05:23] <Pluk> your in textmode now i presume?
[05:23] <Xerbee> yep
[05:24] <Pluk> sudo apt-get install xfree86-driver-fglrx
[05:25] <Kakalto> snowblink; I am just about to give up on windows, aye... maybe the idiot that wants windows for games will be smart enough to figure out how to get WINE or something similar working
[05:26] <bretzel> Kakalto: Hummm... WINE cannot plays C&C Generals -- so I still need WinXp :-)
[05:26] <Kakalto> meh
[05:27] <bretzel> And I realized that that game need at least 1GB RAM -- When I've added 512MB - to - 1GB
[05:27] <snowblink> Kakalto: heh - win 98/2000 for games
[05:27] <pisuke> ps2
[05:28] <pisuke> forget about pcs for gaming
[05:28] <pisuke> directshit is a mess
[05:28] <Ribs> pisuke, and you are basing that oppinion on what?
[05:28] <bretzel> pisuke: Need keyboard and mouse to play games well: Especially for Tribes/Tribes2
[05:28] <Kakalto> snowblink: Well, absolutely everything I have tried has completely failed, I'm feeling very "glad"
[05:29] <Kakalto> (My sarcasm was here marked with speech marks)
[05:29] <pisuke> Ribs, my eXperience
[05:29] <snowblink> Kakalto: tell him to get a new MB
[05:30] <snowblink> Kakalto: and HDD
[05:30] <Kakalto> Windows - The crappiest eXPerience since sliced peas.
[05:30] <Kakalto> snowblink; sadly, I highly doubt that's gonna happen soon
[05:30] <Kakalto> his dad won't pay for anything, and he is a 14-year-old
[05:31] <Kakalto> with no job (fairly obvious for new zealand)
[05:31] <snowblink> Kakalto: best time to start him learning linux
[05:31] <kern> Hey uh... where can I find the available packages list for Ubuntu Linux?
[05:31] <Kakalto> snowblink; he doesn't mind linux, it's his brother who wants win for games, otherwise only linux would be on there
[05:32] <Kakalto> does ubuntu come with a windows emulator?
[05:32] <drspin> where do I go to free up some HD space?
[05:32] <Kakalto> try reformatting
[05:32] <Kakalto> frees up lots of space ;)
[05:32] <drspin> Kakalto: right...
[05:33] <snowblink> drspin: du -sh /
[05:33] <Kakalto> ask a silly (or vague) question, get a silly (or vague) answer
[05:34] <drspin> what are common places that ubuntu stores files that are safely removeable (apt-related, tmp dirs, etc...)
[05:34] <kern> Hey, is there a browsable package list somewhere?
[05:34] <pisuke> drspin, first try apt-get clean
[05:34] <drspin> kern: use synaptic
[05:35] <kern> Thanks.
[05:35] <Ribs> pisuke, and your 'eXperience' is what?
[05:35] <Ribs> you code DirectX applications?
[05:35] <randabis> ubuntu doesn't come with a windows emulator installed, but you can install one later after you add the universe and multiverse repositories to your sources.list
[05:36] <randabis> it is called WINE
[05:36] <drspin> ok that didn't do anything
[05:36] <Kakalto> I absolutely love my windows eXPerience, especially today. I wasted over 5 hours of sleep, for windows to just say "NO."
[05:36] <kern> I guess synaptic isn't a commandline tool?
[05:37] <randabis> synaptic is graphical
[05:37] <pisuke> no. I don't touch windows since 1994.
[05:37] <kern> I did a custom install.
[05:37] <kern> I guess that's out of the question.
[05:37] <Kakalto> does wine come with ubuntu?
[05:37] <randabis> you can use aptitude instead kern
[05:37] <Kakalto> pisuke:lucky you
[05:37] <pisuke> :)
[05:37] <kern> randabis: How do I browse the available packages?
[05:37] <pisuke> but some of my family members do
[05:38] <Kakalto> can anyone answer my question of whether or not wine comes w/ ubuntu
[05:38] <SuSE|UsER> Hello, what do I need to play mp3 files?
[05:38] <SuSE|UsER> In Warthy?
[05:38] <randabis> kakalto if would have read my text correctly, you would have seen that I said it doesn't come installed, but you can install it later quite easil
[05:38] <randabis> y
[05:38] <Kakalto> randabis?
[05:39] <randabis> randabis ubuntu doesn't come with a windows emulator installed, but you can install one later after you add the universe and multiverse repositories to your sources.list
[05:39] <Kakalto> ah, sorry, I thought you were talking to someone else
[05:39] <Kakalto> I was sure we had names for a reason
[05:39] <Kakalto> anyways, I'm thoroughly sick of this computer now
[05:40] <randabis> perhaps the content of the post was relevent to your question and thus it applies to you?
[05:40] <kern> Is there a way I can browse the available packages for Ubtuntu on the site? Like Gentoo?
[05:40] <pisuke> to make a long history short. I was asked to install a game in a win98 pc. the game updated directx, what broke all the other games. And this game hanged. I reinstalled directx from m$ and same result. know they have a ps2 and use the pc for inet and worprocessing
[05:40] <Kakalto> so I'm going to wake up the owner of the computer that just decided to be stingy
[05:40] <randabis> kern I think it's archive.ubuntu.org
[05:40] <Kakalto> and hopefully I'll get some sleep before I wake up this morning or this afternoon
[05:41] <kern> Yeah, I've been there. But I thought there might be a category based page or something.
[05:41] <kern> Thanks anyway.
[05:41] <randabis> SuSE|UsER you'll need the gstreamer0.8mad package installed to listen to mp3s
[05:41] <SuSE|UsER> randabis, thx
[05:42] <randabis> there's a cornocopia of information in the ubuntu wiki and at www.ubuntuguide.org that anyone new to ubuntu should read
[05:42] <SuSE|UsER> Ok
[05:42] <Kakalto> snowblink: thanks for your help, even though it didn't.
[05:43] <snowblink> Kakalto: good luck
[05:43] <SuSE|UsER> I cant see this file
[05:43] <SuSE|UsER> mad
[05:43] <SuSE|UsER> gstreamer0.8mad
[05:43] <Kakalto> snowblink: I'll tell it frankly, windows won't go on there
[05:43] <SuSE|UsER> Hmm maybe it is in universe
[05:43] <snowblink> SuSE|UsER: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8mad
[05:44] <pw> Got a single header line over 360 chars <-- I'm seeing this when I dist-upgrade; wossit mean?
[05:44] <bet0x> hey, any know where i can download firefox 1.0 for ubuntu?
[05:44] <bet0x> a non-official mirror?
[05:45] <SuSE|UsER> Yes
[05:45] <bet0x> but the version of firefox its a little old
[05:45] <bet0x> :p
[05:45] <bet0x> 0.9.4
[05:45] <SuSE|UsER> Backports rep
[05:46] <kern> Doesn't firefox come with Ubuntu?
[05:46] <SuSE|UsER> Yes it does
[05:46] <pw> Yes, but it's too old to satisfy the version weenies.
[05:47] <SuSE|UsER> Yep, mad is in universe
[05:47] <SuSE|UsER> URL http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu/
[05:47] <SuSE|UsER> Distribution warty-backports
[05:47] <SuSE|UsER> Selection(s) main universe
[05:48] <SuSE|UsER> There is Firefox 1.0
[05:49] <bet0x> deb http://ubuntu-bp.sourceforge.net/ubuntu warty-backports main universe
[05:49] <bet0x> groxo
[05:49] <bet0x> :D
[05:49] <kern> What the heck is a version weenie?
[05:49] <bartas> hi all
[05:49] <bartas> crimsun: remebmer me?
[05:50] <randabis> Well firefox 1.0 is superior to the .99/1.0PR release
[05:50] <drspin> how can check to see how big a folder is
[05:51] <randabis> right-click it and click properties...that's what I usually do anyway
[05:51] <Xerbee> Pluk, I tested that command sudo apt-get install xfree86-driver-fglrx but it didnt work, cant find the package..
[05:53] <pw> kern: someone who has to have the latest version, no matter what.
[05:53] <pw> kern: Like, "omfg E17 CVS HEAD!"
[05:54] <snowblink> drspin: man du
[05:54] <randabis> os[Linux 2.6.10-2-k7 - Debian 3.1]  up[2 days, 8 hours, 42 minutes]  cpu[AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3200+, 2205.296 MHz (4358.14 bogomips)]  mem[498.39/504.25 MB (98.8%)]  video[ at 1280x1024 (24 bits)]
[05:54] <randabis> dammit
[05:54] <randabis> sorry
[05:55] <drspin> snowblink: thanks
[05:56] <paulproteus> drspin: On the command line or in the GUI?
[05:56] <paulproteus> Command-line:
[05:56] <paulproteus> du foldername
[05:56] <paulproteus> GUI:
[05:56] <paulproteus> right-click properties
[05:57] <drspin> paulproteus: unfortunately this doesn't work with the  "home" desktop icon -- it will work if you navigate to /home and do it though
[05:57] <drspin> thanks ;)
[05:59] <randabis> heh I don't keep any icons on the desktop
[06:00] <choopi> hello
[06:01] <randabis> hi
[06:01] <Ex-Cyber> bah, backing store doesn't seem to do anything
[06:01] <Cam-> is java vm provided in java-common?
[06:02] <crimsun> Cam-: no.
[06:02] <crimsun> Cam-: that provides faq, documentation, policy, etc.
[06:03] <Cam-> right. just getting it off the sun website
[06:03] <Cam-> ta
[06:09] <claude> oi. can someone help me with a link problem?
[06:09] <kraetzja> if i want to apt-get upgrade gaim to the newest version, what do i have to do with 'linux-image-2.6-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6-386'?
[06:09] <crimsun> claude: what sort? use #flood as necessary.
[06:09] <crimsun> kraetzja: gaim has nothing to do with kernel image or modules
[06:10] <kraetzja> The following packages have been kept back:
[06:10] <kraetzja> ... 2 not upgraded
[06:10] <kraetzja> with what i pasted as a middle
[06:10] <claude> crimsun, dunno what flood is. but it's the firefox link that's in a std ubuntu install.. it doesn't work, I've tried uninstalling firefox and re-installing, nothing happens when I presss it
[06:11] <crimsun> claude: warty? where is this firefox link of which you speak?
[06:11] <claude> crimsun, yes, warty. it's up top in the gnome panel.
[06:13] <Scognito> hi all
[06:13] <crimsun> claude: open a terminal and execute mozilla-firefox
[06:13] <claude> crimsun, yeah, sure, but that doesn't make my button work :)
[06:13] <paulproteus> kraetzja: Try apt-get install gaim
[06:13] <paulproteus> That installs the latest version of gaim, which may be an upgrade.
[06:14] <Scognito> [hoary]  I cannot install muine because muine depends on libflac4, but libflac4 was removed in favour of libflac6. Should i submit some bugreport or something?
[06:14] <crimsun> claude: right-click the icon and choose Properties
[06:14] <kraetzja> paulproteus, in this case that doesnt fetch the latest. i switched from gentoo, is there any type of 'masked' newer version?
[06:14] <claude> crimsun, yup... then what
[06:14] <crimsun> Scognito: it needs to be recompiled against libflac-dev >= 1.1.1-3
[06:14] <crimsun> Scognito: I'll ping
[06:15] <Scognito> ping == ask to someone competent?
[06:15] <crimsun> ogra_: if you're around, please adjust muine's (hoary/universe) Build-Depends for libflac-dev to be versioned >= 1.1.1-3
[06:16] <Scognito> ok :)
[06:16] <crimsun> Scognito: I have to ask someone who has upload rights until I gain them.
[06:16] <Casanova> will i b able to install debian packages in ubuntu?
[06:17] <rexec> yep
[06:17] <Casanova> k thanx
[06:17] <crimsun> Casanova: highly UNrecommended, because you may well introduce massive headaches. Always prefer Ubuntu's debs.
[06:17] <Casanova> crimsun y is that?
[06:18] <rexec> Casanova: because they are built for normal debian, not ubuntu
[06:18] <Casanova> rexec ubuntu is a distro based on debian isnt it
[06:18] <rexec> and hence they can cause dep. problems
[06:18] <crimsun> Casanova: Debian packages from Debian's repos may have dependencies versioned higher than ones (and/or not available) in Ubuntu.
[06:18] <claude> crimsun, if yer gonan tell me to have it point at /usr/bin/firefox.. i've already done that
[06:18] <crimsun> claude: just plain "firefox"
[06:19] <claude> crimsun, also did that.. it looks af if the button tries to start something, nothing showsa up tho'
[06:20] <claude> crimsun, I've also got an install in my home dir of the 1.0 install, which runs fine from console.
[06:20] <crimsun> claude: um... is your user-specific install causing problems?
[06:20] <Xerbee> Im getting a error when trying sudo apt-get install xfree86-driver-fglrx can someone help me? It says that the package is not available
[06:21] <Scognito> crimsun, tell him to also compile the 0.8.0 ;)
[06:21] <funk> If V1.0 is working.  Why not just point your shortcut to the newer working version?
[06:21] <crimsun> Scognito: that would require importing dave's personal debs, and that's a sticking point.
[06:22] <claude> crimsun, no, it's the default firefox install that's acting up. I tried to have the button run my user installed firefox, to no avail... then when I set it to just 'firefox' again, it doesn't work
[06:22] <crimsun> claude: do you have any rogue firefox-bin processes?
[06:23] <gustav_> Xerbee: it's just fglrx-driver
[06:23] <claude> crimsun, nope... it's a clean boot jsut 5 minutes ago, checked the processes already.
[06:26] <crimsun> claude: in Properties, what type is selected?
[06:26] <claude> crimsun, Program
[06:27] <claude> crimsun, does firefox have any file's arround that locks it perhaps?
[06:28] <crimsun> claude: yes, there's a lock file
[06:28] <robertj> speaking of firefox and defaults, 1.2's resolution should be to erase all traces of the profile editor
[06:28] <claude> crimsun, what's it called?
[06:29] <robertj> 1 profile per user, if you need more download an extension or create another user...
[06:29] <robertj> Anyone else here have a Default User 59324
[06:36] <claude> crimsun, what's it called?
[06:39] <crimsun_> claude: sorry, my other client's connection is completely hosed.
[06:40] <claude> crimsun_, no worries
[06:40] <claude> crimsun_ but do you know the name of the file?
[06:40] <crimsun> claude: my connection is very screwed atm
[06:40] <crimsun_> claude: which file?
[06:40] <crimsun_> heh, there's my other client, speak of the devil.
[06:41] <claude> crimsun_ which file is the firefox lock? i wanna delete it
[06:41] <crimsun> claude: in ~/.mozilla/firefox/something.default/
[06:41] <crimsun> claude: there is a lock file
[06:41] <Ex-Cyber> is it normal for rhythmbox to take over 10% CPU on an Athlon XP 1800+?
[06:42] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: playing music? scanning files to add to the library?
[06:42] <Ex-Cyber> crimsun, playing music
[06:42] <Ex-Cyber> an ogg, whatever the warty defaults for sound juicer are
[06:42] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: it uses gstreamer0.8-mad, and mad doesn't using any fp code, so it's possible.
[06:42] <crimsun> doesn't use, rather.
[06:43] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: 10% is fairly high, though.
[06:43] <Ex-Cyber> yeah
[06:43] <crimsun> claude: located it?
[06:43] <Ex-Cyber> I'm wondering if my X problems are really library or kernel problems
[06:43] <claude> crimsun, yup. and it worked, I'm up and running again, thanks for yout time!!!
[06:44] <crimsun> claude: np at all.
[06:44] <Ex-Cyber> because I have yet to see reasonable X performance on anything past 2.6.9
[06:44] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: what video card?
[06:44] <Ex-Cyber> crimsun: ATI Radeon 8500
[06:44] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: is that supported by the fglrx driver?
[06:45] <Ex-Cyber> crimsun: yes, and it doesn't help
[06:45] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: you're not renicing X or anything, are you?
[06:46] <Ex-Cyber> crimsun: nope... I had this problem with the warty defaults, and it's persisted after a dist-upgrade as well
[06:46] <lerio> hi! i'm looking for a vmware-clone available for ubuntu. do you know any?
[06:46] <crimsun> lerio: I don't know of any clones, but there're qemu, bochs, and xen, among others
[06:47] <Ex-Cyber> lerio: the closest thing I know of is QEMU, and I don't think that has full virtualization
[06:48] <lerio> crimsun Ex-Cyber: thanks guys. let me explain you my problem: i have problems with my cd-burner and i wanted to clean the lens. i just bought the cd cleaner, but the thing works with a .exe visual interface
[06:49] <lerio> crimsun Ex-Cyber: i tried to run it in wine with no luck
[06:49] <lerio> crimsun Ex-Cyber: if you have any other suggestion...
[06:49] <Ex-Cyber> crimsun: I was going to try an Accel-X Summit demo, but it requires kernel source installed and I don't see a corresponding kernel source package
[06:50] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS> for warty, linux-source-2.6.10 for hoary
[06:51] <Ex-Cyber> crimsun: odd, must have missed that in the search
[06:52] <Ex-Cyber> and that would be because it doesn't exist, evidently
[06:53] <Ex-Cyber> I see linux-source-2.6.9
[06:53] <Ex-Cyber> but no 2.6.10
[06:54] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: in hoary?
[06:54] <Ex-Cyber> crimsun: right
[06:55] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: ii  linux-source-2.6.10   2.6.10-10             Linux kernel source for version 2.6.10 with Ubuntu patches
[06:55] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: have you run `sudo aptitude update'?
[06:55] <Ex-Cyber> aptitude?
[06:55] <crimsun> Dko: did you sort out your mud daemon issues?
[06:55] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: yes.
[06:55] <Ex-Cyber> I did apt-get update
[06:56] <Dko> crimsun: No last night I went to bed to frustrated with it.  Was gona kill my computer. >_>
[06:56] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: aptitude tends to be more intelligent than apt-get, and it keeps a log of attempted actions in /var/log/aptitude as well.
[06:57] <Dko> crimsun: You know where I could go to get csh help like you said I should?  Can't seam to find much on it.
[06:58] <Ex-Cyber> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "kernel-source-2.6.10"
[06:58] <Ex-Cyber> blah
[06:58] <crimsun> Dko: contact the developers of the mud daemon themselves, since it seems to be a local application-specific issue
[06:58] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: linux-source-2.6.10, not kernel-source-2.6.10
[06:58] <Ex-Cyber> yeah
[06:59] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: the former is Ubuntu's naming scheme, the latter, Debian's
[07:00] <Ex-Cyber> in any case, I can't imagine what's causing this to go so slow
[07:00] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: perhaps hdparm tuning is necessary?
[07:00] <Ex-Cyber> crimsun: I mean X
[07:01] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: I'm not familiar with the free "radeon" driver, so I'm afraid you may need to consult the X.Org wiki
[07:01] <crimsun> Ex-Cyber: as for "fglrx," ask in #ati
[07:02] <Ex-Cyber> well, #ati is the only place I can think of that I haven't tried
[07:02] <Ex-Cyber> heh
[07:03] <Coutsos> can someone help me? i'm trying to install ubuntu, i get to about 61% for installing the base system and it tells me "No installable kernel found"
[07:03] <Neo_654> Should there be a difference between internet connectivity speed between Linux and Microsoft based systems?
[07:03] <froust-school> how can i send a message to a user on a certain terminal of the box that i'm on?
[07:03] <Parallax_> anyone with a NVIDIA 6600 ????????????????
[07:04] <crimsun> Neo_654: theoretically, no. Empirically, Linux systems tend to outperform their Microsoft equivalents.
[07:04] <crimsun> froust-school: talk, mail, etc.
[07:06] <froust-school> There was one really simple one, but I forget
[07:06] <Dko> crimsun: Well it seams im a little screwed with the whole contacting the developer.  They kinda just posted this code on source forge and didn't leave a real E-mail.
[07:06] <crimsun> Dko: surely within the tarball itself there exists a file with contact information?
[07:07] <Neo_654> crimsun: Reason I ask is I've aplied the firefox tweaks and the internet browsing seems slower and file transfers are slower from this machine.  If I transfer the same file from MS machine it's alot faster.  Transfer even seems to pause a few times during transfer from here.
[07:07] <froust-school> neofeed: MIght have something to do with firefox trying ipv6 first
[07:07] <Dko> crimsun: Might of found something
[07:07] <crimsun> 'evening ogra :)
[07:08] <ogra> hi :)
[07:08] <Neo_654> froust-school: ipv6 has been disabled.
[07:08] <froust-school> ahh... i don't know then.
[07:10] <andrew__> holy shit... enuff people in here?
[07:10] <crimsun> andrew__: not yet. :)
[07:10] <Mortini> i'm trying to use wine from http://wine.sourceforge.net/Ubuntu/apt/binary/, and no matter what i do, it whines about a command-line problem with dcom95
[07:11] <Mortini> crossover office complains about the same thing
[07:11] <jon1012> :s
[07:11] <jon1012> mortini > are you a crossover advocate ?
[07:11] <Mortini> No.
[07:12] <jon1012> mortini > try to speak to the codeweavers team maybe, on channel #crossover
[07:12] <Dko> I just wana know why is it that everything I try to do in linux seams to drive me insane beffore I can get it to do what it should? >_<
[07:12] <andrew__> lol... you're taking lessons from froust
[07:12] <jon1012> ?
[07:12] <jon1012> lol
[07:13] <Dko> Well its probibly cause im taking lessons from no one. :/  All I got to learn is the net.
[07:13] <bobalien> anyone here have any experience getting an Ubuntu box on a Win2k network?
[07:13] <bobalien> I've been having permissions issues for a couple of days
[07:13] <bobalien> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=51948#post51948
[07:13] <bobalien> that's my dilemma
[07:14] <Ex-Cyber> blah
[07:14] <Mortini> Dko: It'll get easier, eventually. but you still run into stupid problems.
[07:14] <Mortini> Like, the last time i installed visio under wine, it worked just fine. now it isn't working. at all.
[07:14] <Ex-Cyber> it's times like these that I just want to go back to Windows
[07:14] <Coutsos> does anybody know why the "No installable kernel" bug occurs for some people?
[07:14] <Ex-Cyber> but then I remember that it's apparently Microsoft's purpose to make my life a total pain in the ass
[07:14] <Parallax_> anyone with a NVIDIA Serie 6 ????????
[07:15] <Coutsos> i know lots of people who've gotten ubuntu working fine, but i get that error during the base install, same thing happens when i tried installing debian
[07:15] <borgista> last time i tried to install Debian, X download broken.
[07:15] <Ex-Cyber> I've wasted way too much time on this, heh
[07:16] <shizzlean> hi all.. what's a good file manger for ubuntu?
[07:16] <borgista> i just use nautilus.
[07:16] <Ex-Cyber> seems like I can't find an OS that's not a tremendous waste of time
[07:16] <paulproteus> I use KDE and Konqueror sometimes.
[07:16] <shizzlean> yea. can nautilus do split window?
[07:16] <borgista> split window? nope.
[07:17] <Ex-Cyber> I think it can with some manual gconf twiddling, but my memory could be playing tricks on me
[07:17] <borgista> but i'm happy with nautilus, although i did really like konqueror wheni used to use kde.
[07:17] <Neo_654> bobalian: This might be dumb question but is it supposed to be possible for a *nix machine to be able to connect to a win2k domain?
[07:17] <Ex-Cyber> the gnome guys REALLY like the "spatial metaphor"
[07:17] <Ex-Cyber> or whatever
[07:17] <shizzlean> yea im running gnome
[07:17] <no0tic> jbailey: hi, after rebooting my routing tables was lost
[07:18] <Ex-Cyber> what I heard is that you can turn nautilus back to the old view, but it's deliberately hidden in gconf
[07:18] <shizzlean> I was looking for a powerful file manager.. something like directory opus, etc
[07:18] <paulproteus> Neo_654: Yes, it is possible.
[07:18] <Ex-Cyber> try google I guess... something like "nautilus disable spatial"
[07:18] <no0tic> jbailey: networking startep up normally but routing was missing
[07:18] <eruin> am I the only one having trouble with gnome-theme-manager refusing to scroll the metatheme list in hoary?
[07:19] <scoon> Ex-Cyber, /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_browser
[07:19] <borgista> yeah....i have the browser setting in Nautilus.
[07:19] <Neo_654> paulproteus: ok guess I'll go back to the searching cause I was having somewhat the same issue with my 2k3 server.  I can view all the drives as readonly but that is it.
[07:19] <borgista> other wise i'd go nuts.
[07:21] <jnk> Just upgraded to hoary and fonts, especially in Evolution, are damn thick!
[07:21] <borgista> you can always fix those,jnk.
[07:21] <jnk> borgista, you mean it's not a bug ?
[07:21] <borgista> i wouldn't know.
[07:22] <borgista> i don't use hoary.
[07:22] <borgista> i use warty.
[07:23] <lerio> hi! is it possible to launch the installation of win98 se from cdrom on qemu?
[07:24] <Scooter> Good Morning everyone :) , I am chopping my hard disk up into little pieces with a partition utility and i was wondering, : "Can I place a /SWAP and a /HOME partition inside an extended partition, on  logical partitions?"... TIA :D
[07:25] <lerio> hi! is it possible to launch the installation of win98 se from cdrom on qemu?
[07:25] <snowblink> Scooter: yes
[07:25] <borgista> i don't think so lerio.
[07:25] <borgista> why would you want to run a win installation in linux?
[07:26] <borgista> it really serves no purpose.
[07:26] <Scooter> Thankyou <snowblink> :)... I need lots of little partitions.. I hav 2 windows and 2 linux OS I want on this system :)
[07:26] <Dko> Gehh so white.  >_<  Anyone know how to make the background for the terminal black instead of white?  and the text white instead of black?
 Gnome terminal?
[07:27] <Dko> I bealieave so
[07:27] <bobalien> What does "Nautilus cannot display<EMAIL_ADDRESS>mean?!
[07:27] <Scooter> 1 sec I look
[07:27] <snowblink> Scooter: yup always good to share swap, and home if you're careful
[07:28] <Scooter> SHOOT! I can share swap and home? LOL! I just destroyed a partition sceme like that LMAO!
[07:28] <Scooter> thanks <snowblink>
[07:28] <snowblink> Dko: edit profile
[07:28] <scizzo> Dko: right click and edit the profile?
[07:28] <snowblink> Scooter: I meant between 2 linux installs
[07:28] <jnk> borgista, look at http://<IP_ADDRESS>/~jnk/screenshot.png ...  do you think it's normal ?
, that is cool, then I wont have to install stuff all over again for other OS, this is nice Idea :)
[07:29] <Scooter> some of the games i play take up a few GIGs each
[07:29] <Dko> There we go.  Had to turn off an option but now I can see text with out it hurting the old eyes. ^^
[07:29] <snowblink> Scooter: maybe separate partition for /opt or /usr depending on where your games install
 yea, I always turn mine to green text on black :)
[07:30] <snowblink> Dko: transparent is always fun too
[07:30] <scizzo> Dko: actually it is said that black text on white is better for the eyes
, must usr be on a primary partition?
[07:31] <Scooter> and opt?
[07:31] <snowblink> Scooter: nope. Linux is not so picky like Windows
[07:31] <snowblink> jnk: borgista left
[07:31] <Scooter> Nice... this will make so I can have smaller partitions on my master disk... this is great news :)
[07:32] <Scooter> then i can keep bloody windows all contained in its own little partition
[07:32] <jnk> snowblink, ah right :)
[07:32] <snowblink> Scooter: yes, you can keep it fenced away from the good stuff
[07:33] <Scooter> keep it fenced away because it dont play well with any other OS
[07:33] <Scooter> :D
[07:33] <Dko> Anyone recomend a good mud client with a gui for linux?
[07:33] <titoxx69> hello :)
[07:33] <titoxx69> mud ? mail user agent ?
[07:34] <titoxx69> or distribution ?
[07:34] <chibifs> Multi user dungeon, I belive he means :P
[07:34] <titoxx69> erf ok, sorry :)
[07:35] <Dko> or dominion or what not.  the 'd' has a couple variations.  :P  But its all basically the same.
 run synaptic, and do a search for MUD under games ;)
[07:35] <snowblink> Dko: apt-cache search mud
[07:35] <Scooter> I cant because i dont play MUD
[07:35] <chibifs> Dko - try papaya.
[07:36] <chibifs> It's got color and such. Should be good enough :P
[07:37] <Scooter> can NTFS be inside extended partition also? just a data partition?
[07:37] <snowblink> has anyone used linuxant WLAN driverloader in Ubuntu (Hoary)?
[07:37] <snowblink> Scooter: yup - why not make it FAT for ease of linux use?
[07:38] <no0tic> how to enable translucency & shadows on xorg 6.8.1?
, yes i will have a small transfer area for FAT... a place for windows and linux to place things to share , like quake 3 mods ;)
[07:39] <lerio> borgista: sorry for the late reply. i need to run a .exe program..
[07:39] <titoxx69> snowblink, why don't you try with ndiswrapper ?
[07:39] <lerio> borgista: and on wine is not working
[07:40] <larsrohdin> crimsun, you there?
[07:40] <snowblink> titoxx69: checks card on ndiswrapper page
[07:40] <Scooter> BRB, I am going to finish up this partition scheme and i will be back while Ubuntu, windowsX2, and Fedora install :)
[07:40] <lerio> sorry, does anybody know ho to create a virtual hd on qemu?
[07:41] <titoxx69> ok snowblink
[07:41] <larsrohdin> the .xsession file... how do i create it?
[07:41] <Dko> Thankie for the help everyone.  Later
[07:42] <larsrohdin> is it just to create a file with e.g. gedit and name it .xsession?
[07:42] <titoxx69> I don(t know driverloader's price, but i think buying a new wifi card based on ralink's chipset would be a good choice
[07:42] <titoxx69> because they've released a GPL driver for all their chips
[07:43] <larsrohdin> anyone?
[07:43] <Scooter> is there a way with Ubintu installer to tell it to mount multiple folders into 1 partitino like /USR /OPT /HOME... ? TIA :)
[07:43] <snowblink> titoxx69: thanks, will give it a go. The only listing on the page is not promising. I had it working on a 2.4.x kernel, but I'm on Hoary now.
[07:43] <no0tic> brb
[07:43] <larsrohdin> does anyone now how to create the .xsession-file?
[07:44] <titoxx69> Scooter, I think that once you've mounted your partition in /home, you can mount another ones into the first
[07:44] <lerio> does anybody know ho to create a virtual hd on qemu?
[07:44] <titoxx69> snowblink, wait a minute, i'll give you the ralink url
[07:44] <Mortini> Scooter: just do / on whatever disk partition and all those things will be on that partition
[07:45] <larsrohdin> help!
[07:45] <Mortini> you really can't do /usr and /var (as examples) on the same partition.
[07:45] <titoxx69> snowblink : http://www.ralinktech.com/supp-1.htm (see Linux files and the rt2x00 link)
[07:45] <snowblink> titoxx69: cheers. Will go take a look
 Thankyou :)
[07:45] <titoxx69> msi has released cards using such cheaps
[07:46] <titoxx69> nope :)
[07:46] <spacey_> seb128, You there?
[07:48] <lerio> does anybody know ho to create a virtual hd on qemu?
[07:48] <lypanov> daniels: ping
[07:51] <Ex-Cyber> so can anyone suggest a decent (with "decent" being defined roughly as "Q3A is playable") 2D/3D graphics chipset other than ati and nvidia ones that have good X/Linux support?
[07:52] <lypanov> ita? :P
[07:52] <lypanov> (make ur computer face the other way)
[07:52] <Ex-Cyber> haha
[07:53] <Ex-Cyber> I'm about ready to make it face a windowpane at high speed
[07:53] <lypanov> hehe. what u got in there now?
[07:53] <Ex-Cyber> Radeon 8500
[07:53] <lypanov> whats up with that?
[07:53] <Ex-Cyber> the problem could be the chipset though
[07:53] <Ex-Cyber> for some reason 2D is really slow
[07:53] <lypanov> with ati drivers of xorg?
[07:53] <lypanov> s/of/or/
[07:54] <Ex-Cyber> I've seen it with XFree86 "ati", xorg "radeon" and ATI's fglrx
[07:54] <optyk> I had to set agp to 4x in my bios to get my radeon9200 to run on my amd64
[07:54] <Ex-Cyber> optyk: define "run"
[07:55] <optyk> operate
[07:55] <Ex-Cyber> as in you had to swap another video card in to configure the BIOS?
[07:56] <optyk> no, it made text fine, but X would freeze
[07:56] <Ex-Cyber> hm
[07:56] <optyk> green screen
[07:56] <zAo^> Who can help me? In /etc/group im in the group 'su_root', when I do `id` it doesnt show up. When I do `id zao` with root, it shows up!!!
[07:56] <Ex-Cyber> lypanov: and I'm thinking about going back to a 5-year-old card :P
[07:56] <lypanov> zAo^: logout and back in
[07:56] <Ex-Cyber> actually I think it's older than that
[07:56] <Ex-Cyber> probably more like 7 years
[07:57] <lypanov> Ex-Cyber: yeah. gfx cards suck
[07:57] <Mortini> zAo^: use 'groups'
[07:57] <larsrohdin> what alternatives are there to Nautilus?
[07:57] <Mortini> er. nevermind.
[07:57] <lypanov> rox
[07:57] <Ex-Cyber> I'm not sure this is a graphics card problem though
[07:57] <Cloudchaser> welli just tried to get my pics off my camera for the first time in ubuntu and...tada!!! it just worked! no fuss! :)
[07:57] <lypanov> larsrohdin: u want more complex or even simpler?
[07:57] <zAo^> thanks lypanov : the gnometerm didnt work that way :-S Thanks!
[07:57] <Ex-Cyber> several aspects of the system seem slow that shouldn't be
[07:57] <zAo^> Mortini, groups?
[07:58] <lypanov> zAo^: yeah u don't get login with that. just a new shell
[07:58] <Mortini> zAo^: 'groups' shows the groups you're in. but. ignore me :)
[07:58] <larsrohdin> lypanov, i dont know... i use openbox right know... and i think nautilus is plain ugly
[07:58] <lypanov> zAo^: and np. that problem has annoyed me a lot in the past. it should change imo
[07:58] <zAo^> lypanov, forgot that. Thanks
[07:58] <lypanov> larsrohdin: try rox. lightweight
[07:58] <lypanov> larsrohdin: or konqi. heavyweight powerful even uglier ;)
[07:58] <zAo^> lypanov, hehe. Thnx. I have a group for users that are allowed to `su` like AIX
[07:58] <larsrohdin> lypanov, ok thx
[07:59] <lypanov> zAo^: why not use  wheels?
[07:59] <lypanov> s/ls/l/
[07:59] <zAo^> lypanov, it is like wheels; only changes the name :-)
[07:59] <lypanov> zAo^: ah :)
[07:59] <Cloudchaser> test
[07:59] <zAo^> Cloudchaser, test confirmed :D
[07:59] <lypanov> zAo^: with aix the change of groups  is immediate?
[07:59] <Cloudchaser> hehe sorry
[08:00] <Cloudchaser> i changed themes and couldn't see the text i typed in the bottom so i had to change the color to something readable
[08:00] <lypanov> hehe
[08:00] <zAo^> lypanov, no: with AIX you need to login again.
[08:01] <lypanov> zAo^: ah. okay. i thought it got it 'right' :)
[08:01] <zAo^> lypanov, :-) I think AIX sucks, but that's me :-)
[08:01] <lypanov> zAo^: i don't use gnometerm because its so slow. but in konsole its very easy to add --login to the cmdline in order to get a login everytime :)
[08:01] <larsrohdin> lypanov, what should i type in the .xsession file to make it start at X startup
[08:02] <lypanov> larsrohdin: no idea :/
[08:02] <lypanov> larsrohdin: i don't use x
[08:02] <zAo^> lypanov, I use gnometerm so that I can read this channel at the same time :)
[08:02] <larsrohdin> ok... anyone else has an idea?
[08:02] <lypanov> zAo^: hehe
[08:02] <WebMaven_> hey folks.
[08:03] <zAo^> larsrohdin why not use GDM?
[08:03] <WebMaven_> Does anyone else think the deadline for the Ubuntulinux redesign is too soon?
[08:03] <zAo^> WebMaven_, no: not this time. Xorg must be used, so does the new ATI driver
[08:04] <SuSE|UsER> Uhh how to force Totem palyer to play movies?
[08:04] <SuSE|UsER> player*
[08:04] <zAo^> SuSE|UsER,  why forcing? Got the codec pack?
[08:04] <lypanov> WebMaven_: always best to aim for faster than u could ever manage :)
[08:04] <SuSE|UsER> I downloaded codecs
[08:04] <SuSE|UsER> w32
[08:04] <zAo^> installed them? :)
[08:04] <redfun> the new kernel does not work for me, still. I hope Hoary will be as good as Warty was for me, at least
[08:04] <SuSE|UsER> Yes :)
[08:04] <WebMaven_> lypanov: explain.
[08:04] <zAo^> k. What is the error message?
[08:05] <SuSE|UsER> No error , just black screen
[08:05] <SuSE|UsER> But there is sound
[08:06] <zAo^> SuSE|UsER, thy to start it from console
[08:06] <snowblink> titoxx69: am trying ndiswrapper, seems to be going well so far. Thanks. :)
[08:06] <SuSE|UsER> Ok
[08:06] <SuSE|UsER> ** (totem:12428): WARNING **: don't know how to handle video/x-divx, divxversion=(int)4, framerate=(double)25, width=(int)720, height=(int)576
[08:07] <tritium> redfun, which kernel?
[08:08] <zAo^> well there you got it SuSE|UsER
[08:08] <SuSE|UsER> Hmm
[08:09] <SuSE|UsER> What do i got?
[08:09] <zAo^> what is the oposite of the `nice` command? (so a nicelevel of -10)
[08:09] <zAo^> SuSE|UsER, the codec cant be loaded. Installed the RPM?
[08:09] <SuSE|UsER> O_o
[08:09] <martink> zAo^, sudo nice -10
[08:09] <SuSE|UsER> deb
[08:10] <SuSE|UsER> Not rpm ;)
[08:10] <zAo^> marthink just like that? oof: shame on me: `man nice` ..... :-$
[08:10] <zAo^> SuSE|UsER, not on suse? :-)
[08:10] <SuSE|UsER> If i were on SuSE i wouldnt ask here ;)
[08:11] <martink> zAo^, also, I should insert -n in the appropriate place ;-)
[08:11] <SuSE|UsER> I have them both, I know how to do it on SuSE but I have problems on Ubuntu
[08:12] <SuSE|UsER> I installed w32codecs from Marillat repository
[08:12] <zAo^> well I am on SID, totem plays everything. Hmm. Restarted Totem?
[08:12] <Ex-Cyber> anyone know if it's normal for a KT333 northbridge to be detected as a KT400/600?
[08:12] <SuSE|UsER> I have totem-gstreamer installed
[08:13] <zAo^> SuSE|UsER, installed Totem dummy package?
[08:13] <SuSE|UsER> No
[08:13] <zAo^> Ex-Cyber, I have one, let me check :)
[08:13] <tritium> redfun, which kernel?
[08:14] <zAo^> Ex-Cyber, amd:~# lspci | grep -i kt
[08:14] <zAo^> 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8366/A/7 [Apollo KT266/A/333] 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8366/A/7 [Apollo KT266/A/333 AGP]
[08:14] <Ex-Cyber> zAo^: what kernel version is that?
[08:14] <redfun> tritium, 2.6.10-2 I think. both 2.6.10 don't (didn't) work for me. I'm on Linux heaven <IP_ADDRESS>-3-386 #1 Tue Oct 12 12:41:57 BST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux , still
[08:14] <Ex-Cyber> 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8377 [KT400/KT600 AGP]  Host Bridge
[08:14] <Ex-Cyber> I'm pretty sure it's actually a KT333 in there
[08:14] <tritium> redfun, in what way did it not work?
[08:14] <[BoD] Spyder> lo people
[08:14] <krischan> hey guys, I am looking for a motherboard monitoring tool, i.e. a programm that measures temperatures, fan speeds and that produces CPU load. Does anybody have a suggestion?
[08:14] <zAo^> Ex-Cyber, 2.6.8-1-k7
[08:15] <Ex-Cyber> zAo^: that might explain my problems then
[08:15] <Ex-Cyber> heh
[08:15] <zAo^> Ex-Cyber, what kernel are you on then?
[08:15] <Ex-Cyber> 2.6.10-k7
[08:15] <zAo^> Ex-Cyber, you better wait with 2.8.10
[08:15] <zAo^> lol
[08:16] <zAo^> 2.6.10 that is :)
[08:16] <Ex-Cyber> and I've had X performance problems on anything after 2.6.9
[08:16] <bretzel> Marvell Gibabytes (onboard) RTH device is supported in linux kernel ?
[08:16] <bretzel> oops read ETH
[08:16] <redfun> tritium, they don't configure my USB keyboard and when GDM loads it locks playing the sound no-stop and I can't type down anything. that's the road block for me
[08:16] <zAo^> Ex-Cyber, VGA card?
[08:16] <optyk> bretzel: sk98lin driver, yes
[08:16] <Ex-Cyber> zAo^: radeon 8500
[08:17] <zAo^> Ex-Cyber, I have no problems here: R9600 Pro (Debian SID btw..)
[08:17] <bretzel> optylc: ooooh!!! great because I've just bought a ASUS P4 P800 SE 865PE mother board :-) this is the integrated eth device on it
[08:17] <tritium> redfun, regarding gdm, did you look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log ?
[08:18] <zAo^> Ex-Cyber, why dont you use your old kernel instead?
[08:18] <larsrohdin> does anyone know what i should write in .xsession to make rox start at startup?
[08:18] <Ex-Cyber> actually I had this problem on <IP_ADDRESS> also
[08:18] <Ex-Cyber> with ubuntu anyway
[08:18] <zAo^> Ex-Cyber, I should downgrade
[08:19] <redfun> tritium, nope. what would I found there? (without the keyboard I can't do much, but I could attach another keyboard if that would help me see the log, don't know)
[08:19] <SuSE|UsER> zAo^, it works now, but..Colors are strange :S
[08:19] <tritium> redfun, you could look for any error message to help you track down the problem
[08:19] <bretzel> With that MB I will be able to overclock my P4 2.4ghz cpu to 2.8 :-)
[08:19] <zAo^> SuSE|UsER,  what did you do?
[08:19] <Ex-Cyber> blah
[08:19] <larsrohdin> anyone?
[08:20] <Ex-Cyber> I can't believe how much time I've wasted on this
[08:20] <zAo^> Ex-Cyber, why dont you downgrade????
[08:20] <SuSE|UsER> zAo^, i installed dummy package
[09:01] (spacey`ki/#ubuntu) seb128, oh sorry
[09:01] (spacey`ki/#ubuntu) typo ;)
[09:01] (scizzo/#ubuntu) SuSE|UsER: are we talking about totem-xine or something?
[09:01] <SuSE|UsER> I'm talking about Totem
[09:01] <SuSE|UsER> It works almost perfect
[09:01] <SuSE|UsER> Almost
[09:02] <SuSE|UsER> Because he doesnt show colours good
[09:02] <SuSE|UsER> I have violet instead of green etc.
[09:02] <scizzo> SuSE|UsER: does gstreamer give you weird colors also?
[09:02] <seb128> there is some image settings in the properties
[09:03] <SuSE|UsER> Should i install totem-gstreamer?
[09:04] <scizzo> SuSE|UsER: try with totem-xine instead
[09:04] <SuSE|UsER> I have totem-xine now
[09:05] <SuSE|UsER> Maybe i should change something in gstreamer properties
[09:05] <|QuaD-> SuSE|UsER: if you use totem-xine, gstreamer isn't used
[09:05] <SuSE|UsER> Oh
[09:05] <SuSE|UsER> So what can i do?
[09:06] <|QuaD-> i don't feel like reading up to read about your problem, state it in 1 easy to understand sentence
[09:06] <SuSE|UsER> I did xine-check
[09:06] <SuSE|UsER> Everything looks good
[09:07] <|QuaD-> 1 easy to understand sentence
[09:07] <|QuaD-> not 6 sentences
[09:07] <tanek> how do I change the default output card for alsa? i finally (somehow, don't really know how) got my sound working after trying a week (!!!), but now, to be able to use it i have to manually change sound card in the options (XMMS is the only thing I've got working yet)
[09:07] <tanek> had system + gaim sound before last reboot
[09:08] <tanek> think it all started working when i installed xmms-mad that uninstalled gstreamer-packages
[09:08] <sladen> tanek: this is a question people are puzzling over---how to present this to the user
[09:08] <neofeed> okay I need some SERIOUS help. what has shut my system so down that I can not even answer request from my local net?
[09:09] <neofeed>  /etc/hosts.deny is empty
[09:09] <crimsun> tanek: how many sound cards are you using?
[09:09] <|QuaD-> neofeed: i don't understand the question
[09:09] <sladen> neofeed: the power-cable?
[09:09] <crimsun> sladen: yes, it's certainly not trivial :/
[09:09] <neofeed> i tried:echo GET / | netcat <IP_ADDRESS> 80
[09:09] <tanek> crimsun I have 2 cards, 1 soundblaster and 1 sis onboard sound that i do not use
[09:09] <neofeed> that works from my local box (.10) . but if i try that frm the router (.100) it does not.
[09:09] <neofeed> neither does it from any other box on the network.
[09:10] <neofeed> sladen, no
[09:10] <sladen> neofeed: Ubuntu has a zero-open ports policy in the default install
[09:10] <neofeed> sladen, where do I change that?
[09:10] <scizzo> SuSE|UsER: have you tried totem-xine for the eleventh time
[09:10] <scizzo> ?
[09:10] <sladen> neofeed: by installing stuff
[09:10] <neofeed> sladen, iptable seems not to be loaded
[09:10] <tanek> switched sound cards with my mom yesterday, got sound working today, and i think there are settings left behind by my old soundblaster card
[09:10] <sladen> neofeed: there is no firewall.  Nothing is listening!
[09:10] <sladen> neofeed: nothing is listening, because nothing is running
[09:11] <tanek> 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  Sound Controller (rev a0)
[09:11] <neofeed> sladen, I have apache running
[09:11] <tanek> 0000:00:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI (rev 02)
[09:11] <tanek> those 2
[09:11] <SuSE|UsER> scizzo, yes
[09:11] <crimsun> tanek: is the onboard sis grabbing id 0?
[09:11] <sladen> neofeed: right.  So your question is ''how do I configure Apache'' ?
[09:11] <scizzo> SuSE|UsER: and you get the same result there?
[09:11] <SuSE|UsER> Yes
[09:11] <tanek> onboard seem to be 1,0 and the one I want is 2,1
[09:12] <neofeed> sladen, well more like: how do I stop hoary to block all ports
[09:12] <scizzo> ok..then I don't know
[09:12] <SuSE|UsER> I tried Xine
[09:12] <SuSE|UsER> And the same result
[09:12] <tanek> so i guess it grabs id 1?
[09:12] <|QuaD-> neofeed: hoary doesn't block any ports, there is no firewall
[09:12] <sladen> neofeed: as I repeated.   Hoary is not blocking any ports
[09:12] <crimsun> tanek: paste the contents of /proc/asound/cards in #flood, please
[09:12] <neofeed> hmm than it must have been a new apache.conf
[09:12] <|QuaD-> neofeed: did you ever START apache?
[09:12] <neofeed> |QuaD-, trust me it's running!
[09:13] <|QuaD-> neofeed: how do you know?
[09:13] <neofeed> because telnet and netcat work?
[09:13] <neofeed> and give me the right header, right source?
[09:13] <|QuaD-> ok
[09:13] <|QuaD-> then i would check any error logs apache produces
[09:13] <|QuaD-> see what the error is
[09:13] <sladen> neofeed: okay, so come again.  What /doesn't/ 'appear' to be working?
[09:14] <|QuaD-> sladen: neofeed never really stated the problem too well
[09:14] <neofeed> sladen, any service from the network.
[09:14] <sladen> neofeed: what other services have you tried?
[09:14] <tanek> crimsun: done
[09:14] <neofeed> sladen, http,ftp,jboss,ssh
[09:14] <tanek> btw, when setting alsa plugin in xmms to default i get no sound from either card
[09:14] <|QuaD-> neofeed: if you can telnet to them, the port is open, and you are configuring it wrong
[09:14] <SuSE|UsER> Maybe i should change video driver in xine options?
[09:15] <crimsun> tanek: which do you want to use?
[09:15] <tanek> ensoniq
[09:15] <crimsun> tanek: are you using hoary?
[09:15] <tanek> just set that one as id 0?
[09:15] <tanek> no warty
[09:15] <neofeed> |QuaD-, localhost -> localhost DOES work, remote-host -> localhost does NOT work
[09:15] <sladen> neofeed: ssh is off by default even when installed
[09:15] <|QuaD-> neofeed: what is your network topology?
[09:16] <sladen> neofeed: can you paste the output of    sudo lsof | apache.*LISTEN  in #flodd
[09:16] <tanek> tried hoary and gnome stopped working together with gdm and x and a lot of other stuff :)
[09:16] <sladen> neofeed: can you paste the output of    sudo lsof | apache.*LISTEN  in #flood
[09:16] <crimsun> tanek: hoary has a workaround for it, but warty will require a slightly more kludgy method: echo snd-ens1371 | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[09:16] <neofeed> sladen, bash: apache.*LISTEN: command not found
[09:16] <neofeed> sladen, dun think I need #flood for that
[09:16] <sladen> neofeed: you missed the   'lsof'  off before that
[09:17] <crimsun> tanek: when you reboot, your ensoniq card will be the first one (id 0).
[09:17] <sladen> neofeed: oh, sorry.    sudo lsof | grep apache.*LISTEN
[09:17] <neofeed> sladen, yea I guessed so.
[09:17] <tanek> ok, I'll try that
[09:18] <Imsdle> can anyone help me with ubuntu on a 500 mhz machine with 386 mgs of ram.. I am only on dial up so its hard to download stuff.. i am a newbie.. please message me
[09:18] <neofeed> sladen, four services. All listening on TCP *:www . But all IPv6
[09:18] <neofeed> sladen, and I guess my router does not do IPv6... it only does IPv4 at the moment.
[09:18] <mz2> which package should i install to make soundjuicer be able to encode mp3s?
[09:18] <drspin> mz2: mpg123
[09:19] <tanek> crimsun: it says snd_ens1371... all done?
[09:19] <drspin> mz2: no -- lame
[09:19] <crimsun> Imsdle: have you considered ordering a set of warty cds?
[09:19] <mz2> at least it's not mpg123
[09:19] <crimsun> tanek: what says snd_ens1371?
[09:19] <tanek> the terminal
[09:19] <tanek> when i ran the echo etc etc
[09:19] <crimsun> tanek: yes.
[09:20] <Imsdle> i can download the warty CD's but I need to do at work then take them home.  i can't find what to download then take home.. does anyone have a link for the warty cds?
[09:20] <tanek> great, I'll just save some stuff and reboot, and get back to tell you if it worked, thanks!
[09:20] <drspin> mz2: nevermind... neither work... I use Grip to rip my cd's --
[09:20] <mz2> hmm, it's still not enabled in the preferences... i'm thinking, it's not lame. i thought it would be gstreamer-mad but i have that installed too
[09:20] <neofeed> sladen, okay so I need to enable IPv4 for all my services.
[09:20] <crimsun> Imsdle: linked on the ubuntu web site
[09:20] <neofeed> sladen, can you help me with that?
[09:20] <drspin> mz2: install lame and viola - mp3 encoding
[09:20] <sladen> neofeed: simplist is to disable IPv6 for the moment
[09:20] <Imsdle> i have ubuntu up and going great.. but its really slow especially with firefox running
[09:20] <neofeed> sladen, how?
[09:21] <mz2> viola? huh, where do i get that from
[09:21] <poppo> Greetings, i installed ubuntu today but i  dont see login screen -  distro boots but i dont find login screen commin up , i tried  to install yoper but it wont  boot until i type novesa ...  can  anyone help me pls ?
[09:21] <crimsun> poppo: are you at console when it finishes booting?
[09:21] <|QuaD-> poppo: is x xcrashing?
[09:21] <crimsun> poppo: what video chipset are you using?
[09:21] <poppo> no.. screen becomes blank
[09:22] <poppo> i belive its a issue with my graphic card ..
[09:22] <poppo> i have mercury graphic card  ,... is it supported ?
[09:22] <|QuaD-> poppo: what chipset?
[09:23] <poppo> intel chipset
[09:24] <crimsun> poppo: switch to a console: ctrl+alt+F1
[09:24] <crimsun> poppo: then log in and type: lspci -v|grep VGA
[09:24] <poppo> crimsun :  what shld i do after that ? iam not on that box right now .
[09:25] <Imsdle> I was wondering aobut the http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html.... do i have to download icewm or is it on the CD.. sorry for the stupid questions. im x-windows or trying to be :P
[09:25] <WebMaven_> Hi folks what do I need to do to enable Java plugins in Mozilla Firefox?
[09:26] <poppo> crimsun : what shld i do after that ?
[09:26] <sladen> neofeed: they should be listening on IPv4 and IPv6, can you paste your output in #flood
[09:26] <tanek> crimsun: THANKS!!! now it works, and even ESD works, so I can have multiple apps running sound at the same time!
[09:27] <crimsun> tanek: np
[09:27] <tanek> people like you make linux so much better than anything else :)
[09:27] <crimsun> tanek: it's a huge team effort.
[09:28] <poppo> : )
[09:28] <tanek> yep, that's the beauty, people helping eachother out :)
[09:28] <scizzo> WebMaven_: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3713.html
[09:28] <scizzo> WebMaven_: you can follow the instructions there to get it going...I did that anyway and it works fine
[09:28] <tanek> just got a few more tasks to go before i can at last get rid of crappy windows
[09:28] <Imsdle> crimsum... i have the install CD. What other CD's do i need to download for minram install
[09:28] <WebMaven_> scizzo: thx.
[09:29] <crimsun> poppo: we need to see the output of that command (paste into #flood) before we can continue
[09:29] <crimsun>                crappy windows
[09:29] <crimsun> err, sorry.
[09:29] <GoneBoB> Imsdle: there isn't any other CDs
[09:29] <crimsun> Imsdle: just the install CD.
[09:29] <scizzo> tanek: like what?
[09:29] <poppo> crimsun : i understand. thanks
[09:30] <tanek> getting cedega to use my cddrives so i can start warcraft 3 and get midi through wine for guitar pro, which i've heard is a very tricky thing to do
[09:31] <mz2> argh this is really frustrating, i'm sure it's either lame or gstreamer-mad that i need for enabling sound-juicer to work with mp3's
[09:31] <mz2> anyone?
[09:31] <|QuaD-> mz2: are you using totem-gstreamer?
[09:31] <Imsdle> does anyone know if the installation CD has all the universe-repository for the Mini-RAM???? i.e icewm
[09:31] <tanek> gstreamer was kind of buggy when i tried to get it, depended on old versions or versions i coudn't get :S
[09:32] <mz2> |QuaD, no? and what has that got to do with it anyways...
[09:33] <GoneBoB> mz2: gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:33] <GoneBoB> is the package you need to play/encode mp3s
[09:33] <GoneBoB> it's in universe
[09:33] <mz2> GoneBoB, that's what I thought. that's what I've installed, and it still won't do it
[09:34] <mz2> before it used to be enabled in the list and just failed when it tried to do it, but now the whole option box is disabled... strange
[09:34] <GoneBoB> are you running hoary
[09:34] <mz2> warty
[09:34] <mz2> To rip MP3's with Sound Juicer, you you will need to install the following:
[09:34] <mz2> 1. liblame0 (in another world)
[09:34] <mz2> 2. gstreamer0.8-lame (this one is in a galaxy, outside our universe!)
[09:35] <mz2> that's what it says in http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-957.html
[09:35] <GoneBoB> ah yep
[09:35] <GoneBoB> ok
[09:36] <GoneBoB> and obviously you've got those
[09:37] <GoneBoB> and restarted sound-juicer
[09:39] <mz2> didn't even remember that such a package as gstreamer-lame even exists, last time i did this was on FC ages ago :)
[09:39] <Ex-Cyber> how can I make my GL client libs sane again if I somehow ended up with stale fglrx ones sitting around?
[09:40] <GoneBoB> gstreamer is relatively new
[09:40] <GoneBoB> Ex-Cyber: remove/move away the stale libs>
[09:40] <GoneBoB> ?
[09:41] <Ex-Cyber> GoneBoB: that doesn't solve the problem of getting sane ones in their place
[09:41] <Ex-Cyber> or does it?
[09:41] <GoneBoB> um
[09:41] <GoneBoB> what exactly did you do
[09:42] <Ex-Cyber> there exists no record of "exactly" what I did
[09:42] <Ex-Cyber> but more or less I installed fglrx, found out it didn't solve my problem, and uninstalled it
[09:42] <mz2> Ex-Cyber, at least you'll need to change your XH86Config to use the ati dri driver, and fix the symbolic links that point to your GL libs to point to the mesa ones, not your fglrx ones. normally this should be just a matter of uninstalling the fglrx packages, though?
[09:42] <Ex-Cyber> but glx apps appear to still be loading the ATI libs
[09:43] <mz2> you'll probably find the files you have to fix for example from the package you used for installing the fglrx driver (the files it provides)
[09:43] <Ex-Cyber> mz2: how do I get that?
[09:44] <GoneBoB> Ex-Cyber: apt-get remove the fglrx package
[09:45] <kent> Ex-Cyber, What do you meen with glx apps still using the ati libs?
[09:45] <Ex-Cyber> GoneBoB: already done
[09:45] <Ex-Cyber> kent: direct rendering: No
[09:46] <Ex-Cyber> client glx vendor string: ATI
[09:46] <Ex-Cyber> direct rendering is enabled in the server
[09:46] <mz2> Ex-Cyber, or actually, the easiest is probably to just reinstall your mesa-related packages
[09:46] <Ex-Cyber> but it appears to be falling back to indirect because the client libs are incompatible
[09:46] <kbrooks> hi
[09:48] <Ex-Cyber> I guess I should have known better than to touch fglrx in the first place
[09:49] <Ex-Cyber> mz2: "mesa-related" packages?
[09:49] <kbrooks> oops
[09:49] <mz2> Ex-Cyber, well i dunno, use your brains :) search for mesa in synaptic and mark all of that stuff to be reinstalled, that should do it
[09:49] <kbrooks> Ex-Cyber, did you use sudo to install fglrx
[09:49] <kbrooks> ?
[09:50] <Ex-Cyber> kbrooks: probably
[09:50] <mz2> that, and checking that you use the correct driver in your /etc/X11/XF86Config
[09:50] <Ex-Cyber> mz2: the driver is correct
[09:50] <Ex-Cyber> or at least claims to be, it's been giving me crap 2D performance
[09:50] <Ex-Cyber> but I can't find anyone who has a reasonable idea of what's wrong
[09:51] <mz2> Ex-Cyber, what card are you using?
[09:51] <kent> Ex-Cyber, and you are sure its not just built-in gl support in the xfree driver? i thought some old ati-card had that?
[09:51] <kbrooks> oh. a idea came up to me
[09:51] <mz2> kent, not even very old cards
[09:51] <Ex-Cyber> this is baffling enough that I've actually entertained the notion of going back to Windows, which is not something I objectively consider to be a sane idea
[09:51] <Ex-Cyber> mz2: Radeon 8500
[09:53] <Ex-Cyber> kent: if it was from the xorg driver the vendor string should not be "ATI"
[09:53] <mz2> Ex-Cyber, that would point to the direction of you using the wrong driver. check if it says Driver "ati" in you XF86Config
[09:53] <Ex-Cyber> mz2: I'm using xorg, and it's "radeon"
[09:54] <mz2> isn't radeon the name for the fglrx driver? or is it "fglrx"? I can't remember anymore :)
[09:54] <Ex-Cyber> it's "fglrx"
[09:54] <Ex-Cyber> in any case I got crap performance with XF86 "ati" also
[09:55] <Mortini> is there a known problem with smbfs mounting windows shares? I get 'offset is larger than SMB_READX_MAX_PAD or negative!' in /var/log/messages when copying stuff across a server mounted via smbfs
[09:55] <drspin> would I see a performance gain if I boot with the 686 kernel rather than the 386 kernel?
[09:55] <drspin> I'm using Warty
[09:55] <drspin> ;)
[09:55] <mz2> Ex-Cyber, that's an indication of your kernel module either not compiling at all or not being loaded
[09:55] <GoneBoB> drspin: somewhat yes
[09:56] <Ex-Cyber> mz2: come again? kernel module for decent 2D performance?
[09:56] <drspin> GoneBoB: would I need to reinstall my nvidia drivers?
[09:56] <mz2> Ex-Cyber, ah, sorry I'm mixing up things, that would apply if it did read "fglrx" :)
[09:56] <drspin> GoneBoB: for the performance gain would it be worth it?
[09:57] <mz2> Ex-Cyber, but anyways, why not just grab the new X.org fglrx drivers from ati.com and be a happy linux user? :)
[09:57] <larsrohdin> crimsun, you there?
[09:57] <Ex-Cyber> mz2: because those don't solve the problem
[09:57] <Ex-Cyber> at least, I think I tried that
[09:58] <Arkainium> rofl... Evolution just locked up on me while writing some mail.  :(
[09:58] <larsrohdin> does anyone know alot about idesk?
[09:58] <Ex-Cyber> in any case it was some version of fglrx, and it behaved identically as far as I could gauge it
[09:58] <Ex-Cyber> and yes, I switched the driver to fglrx et. al.
[09:58] <mz2> Ex-Cyber, I can assure, yes they do when you get them to work :) it can be a bit of a hassle but it's worth it
[09:58] <larsrohdin> i've just installed idesk and i get this error message when trying to run it: Can't find config file or missing 'Config' table in the config file.
[09:58] <Ex-Cyber> and I've never heard of someone needing fglrx to get reasonable 2D performance
[09:59] <GoneBoB> drspin: well considering you've probably taken more time thinking about it than it would to install :)
[09:59] <Ex-Cyber> mz2: several people have assured me that the problem I'm having should not exist
[09:59] <GoneBoB> drspin: it also features a few things like >800mb ram support
[10:00] <larsrohdin> a little help on idesk anyone?
[10:01] <K-Rich> greets
[10:01] <larsrohdin> help on idesk!!
[10:02] <scizzo> larsrohdin: we saw you the first time.. :P
[10:03] <drspin> how do I set numlock = ON at boottime?
[10:03] <larsrohdin> yeah, i hoped so=) can you help me?
[10:03] <Ex-Cyber> what's the oldest kernel that would be sane with hoary?
[10:03] <GoneBoB> drspin: in your bios
[10:03] <GoneBoB> Ex-Cyber: <IP_ADDRESS>
[10:04] <Ex-Cyber> bleh
[10:04] <mz2> Ex-Cyber, well I'm not :)
[10:04] <scizzo> larsrohdin: never tried it
[10:04] <larsrohdin> doh!
[10:05] <drspin> GoneBoB: hmmm
[10:05] <Ex-Cyber> mz2: the really frustrating thing about all this is that there are plenty of well-intentioned, generally knowledgeable people who want to help me with this, but once we get to the point of establishing that acceleration is enabled, there's not really any other obvious place to check
[10:05] <drspin> GoneBoB: I'm pretty sure that's on in the Bios...
[10:06] <K-Rich> Can anyone here help me get my modem working (it's not a win modem, i had it working under SID before)
[10:07] <Ex-Cyber> K-Rich: what kind of modem, and what's not working about it?
[10:07] <mz2> Ex-Cyber, what I'd do is trying to install the fglrx again (and make sure you have the most recent drivers that are actually supposed to be used with X.org)
[10:07] <K-Rich> Ex-Cyber: can't seem to access it with minicom or efax
[10:08] <drspin> how do I tell Grub to use the 686 kernel?
[10:08] <K-Rich> Ex-Cyber: it's generic BTS modem
[10:08] <drspin> by default?
[10:08] <Ex-Cyber> mz2: I guess I could try it, but I'm pretty sure I already did
[10:08] <Ex-Cyber> K-Rich: what device are you using for the modem?
[10:09] <K-Rich> Ex-Cyber: can't remember looking in proc now
[10:10] <poppo> guys i can configure my monitor by doin vi /etc/x11/xf86config-4   right ?
[10:10] <Arkainium> poppo, sudo
[10:11] <Arkainium> poppo, and it's case sensitive
[10:11] <poppo> {{{ sudo nano /etc/x11/xf86config-4}}} ??
[10:11] <poppo> oh k
[10:11] <Arkainium> poppo, let the tab completion take care of it
[10:11] <poppo> my login wont comeup after booting .. was wonderin if it  has somethin to do with my vga card
[10:12] <Arkainium> does it try to start gdm?
[10:12] <poppo> even for win xp  i shld use " enable vga" to boot into win xp
[10:12] <larsrohdin> another call for help on idesk! =) anyone
[10:12] <poppo> Arkainium : screen becomes blank after booting
[10:13] <mz2> is there something like klipper on gnome btw?
[10:13] <snowblink> does anyone know where I can apt-get xine 1.0?
[10:14] <larsrohdin> in a terminal?
[10:14] <Arkainium> poppo, you can't even see the console after it loads the kernel?
[10:14] <poppo> and if u are aware of yoper - i shld use novesa to install  it
[10:14] <Serengeti> scoon, i don't know if you remember me but thanks for your help anyway, fscking boot partition helped :)
[10:14] <poppo> Arkainium : i didnt try using console till now . i will do  it once i reach house ..  i am tryin to write down the stuff i need to do cause i dont have access to net from that box
[10:15] <Arkainium> that's weird though, vesa modes are usually pretty safe.
[10:15] <poppo> Arkainium : do u think  shuttin down x  using alt+ctrl+f7 and then typin startx will help me ?
[10:15] <xiphias_> could someone help me with my linksys wireless pcmcia card?
[10:16] <poppo> i have a mercury vga card if that helps
[10:16] <bev> how can i manually select my monitor? it wont let my refresh go above 60.
[10:16] <crimsun> poppo: did you ever paste that info we requested?
[10:16] <poppo> crimsun : iam not at that box now  mate .
[10:17] <larsrohdin> crimsun, can you help me with an idesk error message?
[10:17] <crimsun> larsrohdin: I've never used idesk
[10:17] <crimsun> larsrohdin: have your checked their faq and news pages?
[10:17] <larsrohdin> maybe you know anyway Can't find config file or missing 'Config' table in the config file.
[10:18] <zAo^> how can I make a test-entry in /var/log/messages??
[10:18] <crimsun> zAo^: man logger
[10:18] <Arkainium> poppo, you can boot using the recovery mode, make whatever changes you need to XF86Config-4, and telinit 3.  i would think setting the device to vesa would be safe, but i'm not really sure about your card.  i guess googling it is your best bet.
[10:18] <zAo^> lol :) thanks
[10:19] <xiphias_> after installing ndiswrapper and loading the .inf file, and doing modprobe ndiswrapper, i don't have a wlan0 device, can anyone help?
[10:20] <snowblink> is anyone here running xorg?
[10:20] <snowblink> xiphias_: iwconfig
[10:20] <poppo> Arkainium : i tried using recovery mode but it doesnt help .  but pls correct me if iam wrong we can make changes  by sudo /etc/x11 .... right ?
[10:21] <xiphias_> yeah, but i don't have a wlan0 device, so it just lists lo and eth0 and says none of them has wireless extensions
[10:21] <Arkainium> yea, but poppo, recovery mode doesn't even start gdm.  if you get a blank screen while loading the kernel, something else is wrong.
[10:21] <forcotton> I'm using hoary. The window list in gnome is unappealingly small. It leaves lots of empty space unused. Is there anyone sharing the same bug?
[10:22] <snowblink> xiphias_: dmesg| tail
[10:22] <scoon> snowblink, i am running xorg
[10:22] <poppo> Arkainium : kernel loads just fine . just when we shld see login screen - screen becomes blank .
[10:22] <snowblink> scoon: just wondered if you found the colours more faded than with XFree?
[10:22] <scoon> snowblink, no.  not at all.
[10:22] <snowblink> scoon: must be me then.
[10:23] <xiphias_> snowblink, it doesn't list wlan0, id that was what you meant..
[10:23] <Arkainium> poppo, do you mean the gdm login screen, or the console login prompt?
[10:23] <thully> I have some information on this whole time zone bug that's been around forever
[10:23] <K-Rich> ugh, may have to open my cae and pull m modem to find out where it is :/
[10:23] <K-Rich> s/cae/case
[10:24] <snowblink> xiphias_: after modprobe, check your dmesg - it should say something about your wireless card if successful
[10:24] <poppo> Arkainium : kernel loads fine - i see  ok ok ok .. and just when iam supposed to get login screen -- monitor becomes blank  and remember even  to boot into xp - i shld select enable vga mode - thats the reason of me believin this has somethin to do with my vga card
[10:24] <smogger914> can some one help insta;; java
[10:25] <smogger914> can someone help me install java
[10:25] <xiphias_> snowblink, Thanks. can see it now at least :) dunno what I did different before though :)
[10:25] <smogger914> the kernel thing says cannot execute binary file
[10:25] <smogger914> what do i do
[10:25] <scoon> smogger914, http://ubuntuguide.org/index.html#jre
[10:25] <drspin> how can I run my hdparm commands at boot time? I want them to run right before GDM loads
[10:26] <snowblink> xiphias_: cool
[10:26] <scoon> smogger914, there are also forums that you can look thru and find some more help as well.
[10:26] <xiphias_> now, if ndiswrapper is in /etc/modules it will load automatically at boot, right?
[10:26] <Arkainium> poppo, ah, so then i can't really tell you much else.  you already know what you have available to fix it, you just need to figure out the specifics of your card.
[10:26] <scoon> drspin, look over /etc/init.d/hdparm
[10:27] <poppo> Arkainium : thanks for the help . : )
[10:28] <Arkainium> drspin, /etc/hdparm.conf?
[10:28] <Arkainium> drspin, that's the file used by the startup script
[10:29] <drspin> Arkainium: so do I make it run the right hdparm commands?
[10:29] <drspin> for all three drives in my system?
[10:30] <Arkainium> drspin, if you look in hdparm.conf it gives you some examples of how you can specify the options.  i'm not sure if you can just explicitly write the commands in there.
[10:31] <drspin> Arkainium: thanks --
[10:31] <icerogue> is there any way to get ubuntu to not ask for the install cd when installing some packages?
[10:31] <Scooter> I am trying to format and install over an empty NTFS partition, and it is not letting me...
[10:31] <kbrooks> icerogue, yeah.
[10:32] <neofeed> what happens if I try to install ubuntu on a winXP box?
[10:32] <neofeed> does it automatically install the bootloader acordingly?
[10:32] <icerogue> kbrooks: how do you do that?
[10:32] <poppo> neofeed : yes
[10:32] <kbrooks> icerogue, insall all remaining packages to the hard disk
[10:32] <kbrooks> it's in the d-i menu
[10:32] <neofeed> poppo, can I chain grub?
[10:32] <kbrooks> install*
[10:32] <icerogue> d-i menue?
[10:32] <poppo> may i know what do u mean by chain ??
[10:32] <neofeed> poppo,  like. Load grup ( win,lin ); if lin Load grub ( kernels )
[10:32] <kbrooks> debian installer
[10:33] <icerogue> how do you access that?
[10:33] <Serengeti> neofeed yes but be careful not to let it erase all your hdd during the installation, if I remember correctly it is the default option
[10:33] <Arkainium> icerogue, you can remove the cd from the apt source, but then you have to download everything from the internet
[10:33] <poppo> neofeed : yeah
[10:33] <neofeed> poppo, and say have grub (win,lin) installed on hda / mbr,  and grub (kernels) on hda3
[10:33] <icerogue> Arkainium: thats fine, where is the apt source list located again?
[10:34] <kbrooks> icerogue, /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:34] <neofeed> Serengeti, well yea I'll do partitioning myself. I was just wondering if it would automatically install grub to the right position and create an entry for the winxp start
[10:34] <kbrooks> neofeed, use the expert setup.
[10:34] <micsch> hi, where is the mp3 plugin for rhythmbox?
[10:34] <kbrooks> neofeed, boot up the ubuntu install cd annd say linux expertt
[10:35] <neofeed> kbrooks, okay.
[10:35] <Arkainium> icerogue, you can use # to comment the line out so you can add it back later
[10:35] <kbrooks> neofeed, you will get a lot of messages
[10:35] <kbrooks> ignore them.
[10:35] <kbrooks> and say no to the pcmcia prompt
[10:36] <nuOpus> hello
[10:36] <Serengeti> neofeed, in my case it did just the right thing
[10:36] <nuOpus> Hey does anyone know WHEN Array-3 was released?
[10:36] <nuOpus> Hoary Array-3
[10:36] <sergeantmcd> I am trying to install...the install loads the drivers, etc then just hangs w/ blue screen and gray bar.  any thoughts?
[10:37] <linuxn00b> hey hey, is there a cdplayer that I can add skins?
[10:37] <nuOpus> beep media
[10:37] <nuOpus> it is a gtk2 port of xmms that takes the xmms skins
[10:38] <linuxn00b> oh it plays cd haha I didn't now that haha
[10:38] <nuOpus> ya
[10:38] <nuOpus> beep is cool
[10:38] <kbrooks> hmm
[10:38] <kbrooks> i'll add user accounts
[10:38] <kbrooks> bbl.
[10:38] <linuxn00b> what the differance between the two since it's just a gtk2 port?
[10:38] <linuxn00b> also does it have an alarm??
[10:38] <micsch> hi, how can i install the mp3 plugin for rhythmbox?
[10:39] <linuxn00b> mistic, gstreamer-mad :D
[10:39] <nuOpus> The interface is 10x better because its gtk2 .... and the configuration interface is better too
[10:39] <linuxn00b> oops that for micsch
[10:39] <nuOpus> I just installed gstreamer-plugins ... gets all of them so no issues
[10:39] <linuxn00b> ahh ok...oh ok
[10:39] <linuxn00b> i'll take a look at it :)
[10:39] <nuOpus> just try it linuxn00b
[10:39] <nuOpus> lol
[10:39] <nuOpus> not gonna kill ya
[10:39] <linuxn00b> oh I will :) once my current cd is done playing haha
[10:39] <kbrooks> and "modem devices are"?
[10:39] <nuOpus> ... or will it?
[10:39] <nuOpus> dum dum dum
[10:40] <kbrooks> s/are\"/are
[10:40] <micsch> thx
[10:40] <linuxn00b> only one way to find out :D
[10:40] <kbrooks> and "modem devices" are?
[10:40] <mz2> micsch, the package you need is called gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:40] <linuxn00b> np :)
[10:40] <kbrooks> i need a definition of them.
[10:40] <sergeantmcd> anyone seen issues with instlaling ubuntu 4.10?
[10:40] <nuOpus> modem devices are where you plug your phone line in
[10:40] <nuOpus> lol
[10:40] <kbrooks> nuOpus, aha. ok
[10:40] <fred_> hello
[10:41] <linuxn00b> fred_,  Hi :D
[10:41] <nuOpus> kbrooks: usually its a serian interface
[10:41] <nuOpus> kbrooks: ttyS0 if its on COM1
[10:41] <Kaa_NL> hi
[10:41] <fred_> ahh ya du francais dans le coin ?
[10:41] <kbrooks> nuOpus, thanks. i had to ask because i am adding users in users / groups
[10:41] <kbrooks> fred_, #ubuntu-fr
[10:42] <nuOpus> kbrooks: gotcha ... unless its a software modem though
[10:42] <fred_> ahh :) autant pour moi je viens de l'installer l'ubuntu
[10:42] <jfly> hello
[10:42] <linuxn00b> hello :)
[10:42] <linuxn00b> nooo toto!!!!
[10:42] <Kaa_NL> every time i run a configure script is get this error configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check, does anyone know wat i can do about that?
[10:42] <jfly> need help :-)
[10:42] <nuOpus> kbrooks: in that case it is probably STILL a tty device .... ttyS4 maybe? Or could be something else
[10:42] <jfly> try to have sound but haven't succeed yet
[10:43] <nuOpus> jfly: What kind of sound?
[10:43] <jfly> to make my soundcard working
[10:43] <nuOpus> jfly: I mean ... what kind of sound card?
[10:43] <fred_> je me demandais si il etait possible de lire un film via un partage smb ou si il fallait obligatoirement le telecharger localement avant ?
[10:43] <jfly> first, i didn't find alsaconf so i downloaded alsa-utils from the alsa-project site
[10:43] <linuxn00b> fred_,  #ubuntu-fr :D
[10:43] <kbrooks> fred_, i don't pensent que n'importe qui ici sait le franais, veuillez ainsi demandent dans # ubuntu-fr
[10:44] <nuOpus> jfly: Well what kind of sound card
[10:44] <poppo> hello, iam wonderin can we change the settings of vga  in grub ?
[10:44] <fred_> sory thanks
[10:44] <jfly> i810-intel
[10:44] <linuxn00b> poppo, yes
[10:44] <nuOpus> jfly: I know what your issue is
[10:44] <linuxn00b> dont ask me how tho I just no you cna haha
[10:44] <jfly> really?
[10:44] <jfly> great
[10:44] <poppo> linuxn00b : k thanks : )
[10:44] <kbrooks> fred_, rien  tre dsol environ
[10:44] <linuxn00b> np :)
[10:44] <nuOpus> jfly: Well .... does it load but the volume doesnt work? I mean ... the MASTER volume doesnt control it
[10:45] <jfly> when I finish with the alsaconf, it tells me that no soundcards were found
[10:45] <linuxn00b> poppo, change the line that say vga=777 (or what ever number it is)
[10:45] <nuOpus> jfly: I have one of those ... the card WAS working .. but the MASTER volume was not working ... to get it to work I had to adjust with the headphones volume
[10:45] <linuxn00b> check the gentoo docs
[10:45] <kbrooks> fred_,
[10:45] <kbrooks> d'ailleurs, j'utilise un traducteur :)
[10:45] <nuOpus> jfly: Passed the ac_97 quirk and it fixed it
[10:46] <kbrooks> fred_, oops dsols
[10:46] <jfly> nuOpus: but iz's not the problem because he does tell me that there is no soundcard
[10:46] <poppo> linuxn00b : yeh i know we have to change  it but how do we change it ? by hitting " e" once grub comes up rite ?
[10:46] <nuOpus> jfly: oh
[10:46] <linuxn00b> poppo, i this its esc...I could be wrong tho
[10:46] <fred_> kbrooks, i indeed thought u used a translator, this is not even ar from being perfect :)
[10:46] <nuOpus> jfly: Sorry I can't help you jfly
[10:46] <jfly> nuOpus:how did you configure yours?
[10:46] <nuOpus> jfly: it did it automatically ... just had the volume trouble making me think it didnt work
[10:46] <poppo> k thanks linuxn00b .
[10:47] <snowblink> fred_: my French is rusty, so this might not help at all. Try mount -t smbfs
[10:47] <jfly> nuOpus:OK i see. Thx anyway
[10:47] <linuxn00b> your welcome :)
[10:47] <kbrooks> fred_, well. ;) can we talk in english now, ;)
[10:48] <jfly> is there any alsa guru? :-)
[10:48] <linuxn00b> ssh uses port 22 right?
[10:48] <nuOpus> yes
[10:48] <fred_> ok snow i'll try
[10:48] <poppo> linuxn00b : yup its esc . cheers .
[10:49] <linuxn00b> :) cheers :)
[10:49] <rexec> 2
[10:50] <sergeantmcd> I have found the ubuntu blue screen of death.
[10:50] <GoneBoB> you have?
[10:50] <linuxn00b> sergeantmcd, are you sure???
[10:50] <linuxn00b> and I htought I was drunk haha
[10:51] <drspin> OK I edited /etc/hdparm.conf for all 3 of my drives (/dev/hda; /dev/hdc; /dev/hdd) unfortunately - when that script is run, only /dev/hda is available and therefore... the other two drives don't get configured...
[10:52] <sergeantmcd> linuxn00b, I can't get it installed.  It goes thru the process of finding hardware, loading drivers, etc, then just dies with a blue screen.
[10:52] <linuxn00b> get what to work?? sound card??
[10:52] <K-Rich> Ex-Cyber: i opoened my case and now know where my modem is set but still can't get it working it's set for Com2 (/dev/ttyS1) and IRQ 3
[10:52] <drspin> anyone know how I can fix that?
[10:53] <linuxn00b> humm I just re-read...did you upgrade the kernel or is this a fresh install?
[10:53] <Scooter> is the only way to install Ubuntu to let it format and partition its self? i have a partitioned hard disk with only ext3 and linux swap... the installer is not working
[10:54] <Scooter> I tell it guided and it will let me continue
[10:54] <drspin> where can I go to add 2 commands that should execute only when the system is botting into multi-user mode
[10:54] <drspin> *booting
[10:54] <K-Rich> minicom: cannot open /dev/ttyS1: Device or resource busy
[10:54] <K-Rich> argh
[10:54] <linuxn00b> Scooter, it should...did you set the mount points?
[10:54] <sergeantmcd> Scooter, you got farther than I did.  :-(
[10:54] <Scooter> yea I got / and a swap, I even told it to format
[10:55] <neighborlee> i've installed linux-source-<IP_ADDRESS> but my nvidia driver still wont compile against it saying wrong kernel....why is the linux-source package different than the installed default kernel  ie: default installed is <IP_ADDRESS>-2-i386 yet linux-source package from apt is just '<IP_ADDRESS>' ????..its causing nvidia to not want to compile ;((and this is bad ...
[10:55] <GoneBoB> neighborlee: you do not need to compile the nvidia driver
[10:55] <poppo> Scooter : if u have /  and swap i see no reason why its not gettin installed
[10:55] <GoneBoB> the kernel module is in linux-restricted-modules
[10:55] <poppo> it worked just fine for me
[10:55] <GoneBoB> and the other files are in nvidia-glx
[10:55] <K-Rich> neighborlee: i had same issue, are you using the -686 kernel?
[10:55] <Scooter> yea... I let it auto configure, and i write down the settings, reboot , and try to mimic, I guess...
[10:56] <GoneBoB> so apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:56] <drspin> K-Rich: echo ATZ -> /dev/ttyS1
[10:56] <Scooter> Hi k- rich :)
[10:56] <GoneBoB> nvidia-glx-config enable
[10:56] <K-Rich> drspin: bash: /dev/ttyS1: Device or resource busy
[10:56] <swim> hay folks
[10:56] <linuxn00b> swim, hey :)
[10:56] <rattboi> yo
[10:56] <drspin> K-Rich: lsof |grep ttyS1
[10:56] <shado1> Hey
[10:56] <swim> where does ubunut put modules to load at boot?
[10:56] <swim> :)
[10:57] <Scooter> lol now it is not even letting itself do the partitioning...
[10:57] <rattboi> has anyone here tried ubuntu on an iBook?
[10:57] <melazyboy> i just ran a dist-upgrade, and compiled 2.6.10 now my unchanged entries in fstab are not working, i have the option rw and users, and am sending a username and password any ideas
[10:57] <rattboi> I'm wondering what won't work
[10:57] <Scooter> Bah,
[10:57] <neighborlee> K-Rich, whatever came stock with ubuntu
[10:57] <GoneBoB> melazyboy: why did you compile the kernel?
[10:57] <K-Rich> drspin: nothing, but i just noted my 2nd NIC is using irq 3 as well
[10:57] <neighborlee> GoneBoB, yes I do if I want to use the 'newest' driver from nvidia ?
[10:57] <GoneBoB> neighborlee: the newest driver from nvidia is in hoary
[10:57] <GoneBoB> if you want 'newest'
[10:57] <GoneBoB> you can use that
[10:58] <neighborlee> yes but i'm not sure I want to  use hoary...I thought about it but im ..uncertain at best
[10:58] <melazyboy> GoneBoB: Yes but im not seeing any information that says this is a kernel problem. i don't have any different results if i use the ubuntu bin kernel
[10:58] <neighborlee> I should be able to grab linux source and just do: sh NV*.run...;-)
[10:58] <shado1> Has anyone had any problems running a Xircom Cardbus 10/100 + 56k card?  Specifically the card running at half duplex instead of full duplex.
[10:58] <drspin> K-Rich: I Would pull the second NIC; get the modem working then work with the second NIC
[10:58] <melazyboy> GoneBoB: And these are the ubuntu kernel sources with their patches
[10:58] <Scooter> LMAO!!! I have so many partitions I have to scroll down now to see the other menu Items, it will let me install no LOL, sorry for gettting grumpy :)
[10:58] <swim> where does ubunut put modules to load at boot? anyone??
[10:59] <GoneBoB> melazyboy: what is the error or exact symptoms
[10:59] <poppo> guys , can i do xf86config in shell to configure my vga ?
[10:59] <GoneBoB> neighborlee: if you install the nvidia source it can stuff things up quite badly
[10:59] <drspin> does ubuntu use DevFS?
[10:59] <GoneBoB> and X won't start
[10:59] <GoneBoB> drspin: no, ubuntu uses udev
[11:00] <drspin> thanks
[11:00] <melazyboy> GoneBoB: It just doesn't allow me to write as non-root, and i can mount or unmount as root, even those i have users in my fstab, when i try to touch as non-root, i get touch: setting times of 'test': Permission denied
[11:00] <linuxn00b> poppo, yes
[11:00] <GoneBoB> poppo: if you want to do that, use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[11:00] <melazyboy> GoneBoB: The file permissions on the folder aren't set right after the mount
[11:00] <drspin> melazyboy: try adding umask=002
[11:00] <poppo> linuxn00b : thanks .
[11:00] <linuxn00b> :)
[11:00] <drspin> to your fstab
[11:00] <GoneBoB> melazyboy: what he saud
[11:00] <GoneBoB> said
[11:00] <snowblink> swim: /lib/modules/... ?
[11:00] <linuxn00b> poppo, you can also do what GoneBoB bob suggested :)
[11:00] <poppo> GoneBoB :  correct me if iam wrong that cmd will configure my vga ?
[11:01] <melazyboy> GoneBoB: I tried that -- out of curiosity if you can unmount something if you mount over with a different umask that should work for debugging right
[11:01] <swim> snowblink, I mean file to list the modules to load at boot
[11:01] <melazyboy> GoneBoB: its not failing
[11:01] <neighborlee> GoneBoB, i've never had trouble in the past with any other distro and doing sh NV*.run....but hoary is 'tempting' I admit ..if for no other reason but to help out....so hoary has 6629 nvidia I take it then...
[11:01] <K-Rich> drspin: rather annoying cause i had no issues with SID until the borked the ALSA modules :/
[11:01] <melazyboy> ehh now when i try to unmount it i get its mounted multiple times
[11:02] <K-Rich> drspin: meaning all worked fine
[11:02] <snowblink> swim: /etc/modules I think
[11:02] <GoneBoB> neighborlee: that's right
[11:02] <GoneBoB> neighborlee: if you install the nvidia drivers, when you reboot, you will need to reinstall them
[11:02] <neighborlee> GoneBoB, ok thx Ill give it a go then..
[11:02] <GoneBoB> poppo: yes it will
[11:03] <drspin> K-Rich: perhaps the Alsa modules are borked for the same reason that you have problems with SID
[11:03] <poppo> GoneBoB : thanks.
[11:03] <drspin> if only hdparm.conf would work right :(
[11:03] <GoneBoB> melazyboy: sorry I'm not following
[11:03] <GoneBoB> melazyboy: you can mount -o remount,umask=002 /mount/point
[11:03] <AndyR> lo ppl
[11:03] <K-Rich> drspin: actually, they got borked, i sis an apt-get dist-upgrade and sound stoped working heh
[11:03] <drspin> K-Rich: you upgrade to hoary?
[11:04] <scoon> drspin, what doesn't work ?
[11:04] <swim> alright anyone know how to stop gdm from starting at boot in Hoary ?
[11:04] <melazyboy> GoneBoB: I didn't relise you could mount over a mount point, ie run the same command with different arguements and you create a mount queue, but still no joy with umask=002, i was able to unmount, and when mounted with rw,users,umask=002 i still can't write
[11:04] <GoneBoB> swim: chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm
[11:04] <swim> GoneBoB, that will STOP it ?
[11:04] <GoneBoB> swim: after that, later on you can just use chmod +x to let it start
[11:04] <drspin> I added my drives & their respective settings to hdparm.conf but it will only work on /dev/hda -- /dev/hdc & /dev/hdd settings won't load
[11:04] <swim> oh I see -
[11:04] <GoneBoB> swim: /etc/init.d/gdm stop will stop it right now
[11:04] <K-Rich> drspin: naw... on Warty... i was using debian sid beore this though
[11:04] <snowblink> swim: remove from your runlevel
[11:05] <swim> instead of +
[11:05] <alexrait1> hello, I have some problem with ubuntu warty livecd.. I can't play mp3 files with totem. It keeps saying "failed to open" and gives no reason
[11:05] <GoneBoB> runnign chmod will stop it from starting
[11:05] <drspin> K-Rich: oh ok
[11:05] <seb128> GoneBoB: that's a really ugly hack
[11:05] <GoneBoB> swim: yes
[11:05] <scoon> drspin, and how do you know this.  i have all of my drives in there just fine.
[11:05] <swim> GoneBoB, would you happen to know where I can list nvidia to start at boot?
[11:05] <drspin> scoon: because I get an error message when I boot -- lemme find it real quick
[11:05] <GoneBoB> seb128: what's a nice way to do it that's easily user reversed
[11:05] <Scooter> wow , I just read that Nintendo ROMS are legal as long as i own the original game :) I have LOTS of nintendo games 8)
[11:05] <GoneBoB> removing the rc2.d link is the correct way
[11:06] <snowblink> swim: rm /etc/rc2.d/S13gdm
[11:06] <GoneBoB> but it's harder for a user to replace
[11:06] <seb128> GoneBoB: update-rc.d
[11:06] <K-Rich> drspin: don't get me wrong... i like ubuntu... just been having ALOT of issues (like getting my scanner to work, modem, etc etc)
[11:06] <Scooter> but no nintendo
[11:06] <Scooter> now I turn my ubuntu into a Ubuntendo with an emulator LOL!
[11:07] <alexrait1> anyone? I guess it has nothing to do with the sound server
[11:07] <GoneBoB> seb128: thanks
[11:07] <seb128> np
[11:07] <scoon> GoneBoB, actually just editing /etc/inittab is the preferred way
[11:07] <GoneBoB> scoon: that won't get you anything
[11:07] <swim> so should I list nvidia in /etc/modules or in /etc/modules.conf ?
[11:07] <neighborlee> so I change 'main' to 'hoary' I take it....replacing all instances of 'warty' with 'hoary' isn't working....
[11:08] <GoneBoB> redhat uses differnt runlevels
[11:08] <GoneBoB> debian/ubuntu don't
[11:08] <scoon> GoneBoB, it most certainly will: change the default runlevel to something other than one w/ X
[11:08] <drspin> Scooter: I use snes9x :)
[11:08] <Agrajag> Scooter: they're not legal, even if you do own the game
[11:08] <drspin> but that's SNES
[11:08] <Agrajag> but don't let that stop you
[11:08] <scoon> GoneBoB, take a peak at the man for inittab
[11:08] <Agrajag> fceu-sdl is a good NES emulator
[11:09] <Scooter> Hmmm, that is sad :( i wanted to play old games again
[11:09] <Scooter> I broke my nintendo
[11:09] <mz2> how do i add something to the debian boot process "after everything else"? like rc.local in suse/redhat etc
[11:09] <drspin> scoon: can't find the exact error but something like /dev/hdc does not exist...
[11:09] <drspin> but once I'm booted - there it is :)
[11:10] <drspin> non of my settings were applied... except to /dev/hda
[11:10] <scoon> drspin, what is /dev/hdc for you ? hard-drive or cdrom
[11:10] <Agrajag> Scooter: well who cares if it's legal
[11:10] <K-Rich> bbl
[11:10] <drspin> hdc && hdd are cdroms
[11:10] <scoon> drspin, what setting are you trying to use for them ?
[11:11] <scoon> drspin, is it just dma, cuz that can be conf'd in the kernel to happen during boot.
[11:11] <Scooter> I do, I dont do anything ilegal on this system, i am an american and i dont trust the government, I bet in the next few years thousands of people get sued in america for software and music Piracy,
[11:11] <drspin> scoon: join #flood (pasting)
[11:11] <poppo> eh ?
[11:11] <GoneBoB> scoon: I know exactly what inittab does
[11:11] <GoneBoB> and that's a redhat-ism
[11:11] <Agrajag> Scooter: do you honestly think nintendo is going to come after you for playing a 20-year-old game that you already own?
[11:12] <Agrajag> And if you don't trust your own government, why do you live here?
[11:12] <scoon> GoneBoB, i have always used it.  and am not certain that you are correct
[11:12] <melazyboy> drspin GoneBoB: Solution found! it was in the fmask=777 option, because its mounting as root, i guess i could use gid/uid to mount as a differnet user, and lower it for security but whatever =D, thanks for your help
[11:12] <borgista> Because we can.
[11:12] <Scooter> I have seen lawyers sue each other over spilling coffee in their office
[11:13] <melazyboy> drspin: GoneBoB: don't ask why but before i ran dist-upgrade i did not need an fmask or any *mask option, just rw
[11:13] <Scooter> Lawyers are the ones I fear... Blood sucking Bottom feeders
[11:14] <chka> i have in de Applications menu a submenu Debian
[11:14] <chka> is that normal
[11:14] <mwh_> hi, just installed a hoary cd, version 3, and my display is 640x480, how do I change it?
[11:14] <mwh_> I tried editing the xorg config file but it did not work :(
[11:14] <chka> but of all he items i have a double item
[11:14] <chka> double items
[11:15] <chka> e.g 2 times emacs, 2 x firefox
[11:15] <snowblink> mwh_: check your frequencies under your monitor
[11:15] <drspin> scoon: my cd's wouldn't be mounted at boot-time
[11:15] <mwh_> snowblink, ah
[11:16] <mwh_> snowblink, there is none
[11:16] <snowblink> mwh_: check your XF86Config file, otherwise you'll have to put them in by hand
[11:17] <scoon> drspin, i guess i don't really understand what the problem is that you are having.
[11:17] <_4strO> soir all
[11:17] <mwh_> snowblink, I dont have a XF86Config file
[11:17] <scoon> drspin, how many hd are you trying to tweak w/ hdparm
[11:17] <mwh_> snowblink, as I told you, I run the hoary version
[11:17] <drspin> scoon: 1 HD and two cd drives
[11:18] <scoon> drspin, ok.  so just set options for your hda.
[11:18] <drspin> scoon: since /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd are CD drives they are not available when this script is run during boot... my question was... where do I go to place two little commands for the cd drives ONLY when booting into multi-user mode
[11:18] <GoneBoB> mwh_: can you paste your /var/log/X*log file on somwhere (like pastebin.com)
[11:19] <scoon> drspin, what do you want them to do ?  i let the kernel manage my burner.
[11:19] <drspin> scoon: where can I put an hdparm command so it will run if I type init 2 at the command prompt?
[11:19] <mwh_> bbl, log is on the teli
[11:19] <mwh_> GoneBoB, hsync out of range seems to be the problem
[11:20] <mwh_> maybe I need to setup that stuff manually, though it works with fedora core 3 out of the box
[11:20] <scoon> drspin, i don't know.  never thought about runlevel tweaks.  sorry.
[11:20] <drspin> it's cool thanks anyway --
[11:20] <__learner__> I need help!
[11:20] <scoon> drspin, sounds like the hard way to me tho .
[11:20] <drspin> __learner__: with what?
[11:21] <drspin> scoon: it's an easier solution that running an hdparm command everytime I reboot -- I also need to set up a  symlink for my joystick at the same time
[11:21] <__learner__> Let me tell you. I bought a new HD (Thats Great!), the new one is way faster than the old, so would like to "transfer" my ubuntu system tyo the other HD, so I don't need to install/tweak it again.
[11:22] <__learner__> can you help me with that?
[11:22] <drspin> __learner__: are you experienced with bootloaders?
[11:22] <scoon> drspin, but that goes back to why i don't understand your question.  /etc/init.d/hdparm does not work for you ?
[11:22] <__learner__> no
[11:22] <__learner__> I don't. But I can learn how.
[11:23] <__learner__> I'm very happy!
[11:23] <__learner__> LOL!
[11:23] <drspin> scoon /etc/init.d/hdparm reads the settings from /etc/hdparm.conf
[11:23] <tibnerd> hi, wondering if anyone has got Xfce running on a AMD64 system via debs?
[11:24] <scoon> drspin, correct.  change that file to suit your needs.
[11:24] <neighborlee> in not so sure upgrading to hoary on my 'main' OS is smart...so how do I get past this error where nvidia installer says i've got the wrong kernel source..indeed ubuntu came with : <IP_ADDRESS>-2-i386 yet the linux-source pacakge is : <IP_ADDRESS> ;(
[11:24] <drspin> scoon: that's what I pasted for you in #flood were my changes
[11:24] <__learner__> I have other option, wich is to load windows on the new HD, and let the old completely for ubuntu? Do you think that would be better (since ubuntu performs far better than windows on the old HD)?
[11:24] <neighborlee> please leave message il get on my return
[11:24] <scoon> drspin, luckily i just closed that window.  so what was the problem then.
[11:25] <nenubat>  i search a ftp search engine for ubuntu
[11:25] <nenubat>
[11:25] <nenubat> helo
[11:25] <nenubat> salut
[11:26] <drspin> scoon: the settings for /dev/hda work the one's for /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd do not :: "/dev/hdc does not exist" or a similar error -- doesn't say anything about /dev/hdd because I assume that when it encounters an error it just quits
[11:26] <scoon> drspin, or what it could be is that those options do NOT work for those drives.
[11:26] <AndyR> any ideas how long a warty --> hoary upgrade will take on a 512kb/s adsl?
[11:26] <kbrooks> i have a question: is there any  software that enables me to watch tv
[11:26] <drspin> scoon - I run identical hdparm commands after boot and they work fine...
[11:27] <drspin> kbrooks: do you have a TV capture card?
[11:27] <larsrohdin> hay, idesk sucks=)
[11:27] <kbrooks> in ubuntu
[11:27] <kbrooks> drspin, yeah.
[11:27] <drspin> kbrooks: xawTV is what I used to use long long ago... not sure what to use now
[11:27] <larsrohdin> i've tried to get it to work good the last hour... now its gone=)
[11:27] <scoon> drspin, which is possible.  hdparm -I suggests a setting that is not available on my drive.
[11:28] <nenubat> helo i search an ftp search engine
[11:28] <nenubat> please
[11:28] <randabis> andy downloading the packages should take too long, but the time it takes to set it all up afterwards might be a little while
[11:28] <randabis> I have a fast system and it was able to finish the whole upgrade in under an hour
[11:28] <nenubat> for ubuntu
[11:28] <kbrooks> how do i delete the complete home directory of a user
[11:28] <AndyR> someone else in uk :)
[11:29] <RachelJM> hi, I need some help with the Live CD version
[11:29] <drspin> scoon: join #flood once again please
[11:29] <drspin> RachelJM: what is the problem?
[11:29] <AndyR> RachelJM, in what way?
[11:30] <tibnerd> kbrooks: rm -rf should do the trick
[11:30] <RachelJM> when you boot it gives a list of boot options, one of them is booting with a persistant home, and I can't figure out how to make one
[11:30] <drspin> scoon: LOL kicked for excess flood ;)
[11:30] <drspin> scoon: did you get all that?
[11:30] <scoon> drspin, no
[11:30] <drspin> ok
[11:30] <drspin> lemme t5y again
[11:30] <scoon> none of it
[11:31] <drspin> LOL
[11:31] <drspin> twice...
[11:31] <drspin> well - the settings that I have setup work just fine...
[11:31] <RachelJM> also, how can I save my settings to floppy or somewhere like that?
[11:31] <drspin> the problem is that when the /etc/init.d/hdparm script is run, it's before the drivers for the CD drives are available...
[11:32] <drspin> what I want to do is run two hdparm and an ln command right before gdm gets started
[11:32] <__learner__> is there any way to tell ubuntu to take the hole HD for it?
[11:32] <__learner__> or will I need to reinstall?
[11:32] <AndyR> well, not sure about ubuntu live but other live cd's ive tried need a fat32 partition for it
[11:33] <scoon> drspin, the kernel gets info about the drives from your BIOS
[11:33] <drspin> scoon: yes but does hdparm?
[11:34] <gen> quitter
[11:34] <scoon> drspin, and hdparm (and everything else) gets its info from the kernel that got it from the BIOS
[11:34] <AndyR> i know for sure i can access my usb pen drive from live cd
[11:34] <sergeantmcd> hard not to quit.  can't get it installed.
[11:34] <AndyR> sergeantmcd, whats up?
[11:35] <RachelJM> AndyR, do you know how to use the pen drive as a persistant home? or to save changes to?
[11:35] <AndyR> what h/w?
[11:35] <drspin> scoon: ok
[11:35] <sergeantmcd> AndyR, the installation hangs after detecting hardware/loading drivers.
[11:35] <drspin> scoon: I appreciate your help -- the solution is simple I just don't know how to add commands to the startup procedure...
[11:35] <drspin> scoon: so I'm going to figure that out...
[11:35] <AndyR> RachelJM, not persistant home but i can read and write to it
[11:36] <AndyR> sergeantmcd, any unusual h/w?
[11:36] <RachelJM> AndyR, hm, ok, how about saving a config file to it containing all changes and such?
[11:36] <sergeantmcd> AndyR, a pentium pro, 196M ram, ide cdrom, scsi drives.
[11:36] <scoon> drspin, take a look at man update-rc.d for some suggestions
[11:36] <gen> pentium pro haha
[11:36] <drspin> scoon: thanks
[11:37] <gen> i have a p133 that sits in the corner upstairs
[11:37] <Quest-Master> I have Celeron :(
[11:37] <AndyR> unsupported scsi controller?
[11:37] <Quest-Master> At least it is 2.20Ghz though
[11:37] <sergeantmcd> lol
[11:37] <mrcranky> celerons work OK.  Only gamers need the top-of-the-line
[11:38] <gen> celerons have weaksauce cache
[11:38] <sergeantmcd> I just wanted to play with ubuntu to see if I would like it.  the p-pro was the only hardware I had laying around.
[11:38] <Quest-Master> AMD64 =  I want. :(
[11:38] <RachelJM> mmmmm, sauce
[11:38] <RachelJM> so, any ideas about the config saving?
[11:39] <gen> my laptop is a p3/500, on it now
[11:39] <gen> ibm 600x
[11:39] <RachelJM> it's my only problem with an otherwise superb OS
[11:39] <AndyR> RachelJM, give me a few mins, i have a live cd here i can try on another comp
[11:39] <looksaus> I urgently need a native speaker of FRENCH/FRANCAIS
[11:39] <RachelJM> AndyR, cool, thanks :)
[11:39] <looksaus> for translating a software patents press release
[11:40] <gen> use a online translator..
[11:40] <looksaus> for Belgian opponents
[11:40] <mrcranky> looksaus I was about to say I speak some french, but not enough for that.
[11:40] <RachelJM> looksaus, tried using an online translator?
[11:40] <looksaus> RachelJM, you really can't do that
[11:40] <mrcranky> online translators are only good for a laugh.
[11:40] <looksaus> I speak enough french myself
[11:40] <looksaus> to make a rough translation
[11:40] <looksaus> more than most non-native speakers
[11:40] <looksaus> it needs to be really good and fast...
[11:40] <gen> well i would hope more then a non-native speaker
[11:41] <gen> otherwise it would be nil
[11:41] <ssam> should amarok be in the universe?
[11:41] <RachelJM> amarok?
[11:41] <gen> amarok is the xmms visualization plugin
[11:41] <gen> ?
[11:41] <optyk> no
[11:41] <ssam> the media player
[11:41] <optyk> amarok is a kde jukebox app
[11:42] <ssam> http://amarok.kde.org/
[11:42] <gen> its in uni
[11:42] <ssam> could my universe be broken, beacuse i cant find it in synaptic
[11:42] <GoneBoB> ssam: it's not there
[11:42] <GoneBoB> I think
[11:42] <gen> i see it in hoary uni repos
[11:42] <GoneBoB> someone was complaining about it the other day
[11:43] <GoneBoB> gen: not in warty
[11:43] <gen> figured as much
[11:43] <Riddell> ssam: amarok is in universe
[11:43] <ssam> i have warty
[11:43] <Riddell> ssam: don't know about warty, maybe not
[11:44] <ssam> i might have to upgrade then
[11:44] <gen> why do you want amarok so bad
[11:44] <mrcranky> how stable is hoary, anyhow?
[11:45] <gen> depends cranky
[11:45] <gsuveg> mrcranky: ist a devel
[11:45] <gsuveg> mrcranky: me was insane unstaable eht gnome 2.9 on lappy
[11:45] <gen> nice english
[11:46] <mrcranky> I was thinking the same thing
[11:46] <gsuveg> gen: sorry. i cant write
[11:46] <mrcranky> gsuveg you have frozen fingers or something?
[11:46] <ssam> i am not really happy with any of the linux media players, so need to keep swapping around
[11:46] <gsuveg> mrcranky: if you 'play' or 'hack' use, if you use for 'work' use warty
[11:46] <gen> i like muine ssam
[11:46] <Ex-Cyber> is there some way to get a BIOS dump through a linux device?
[11:47] <mrcranky> ssam you don't like rythmbox?
[11:47] <gsuveg> mrcranky: i need sleep
[11:47] <Quest-Master> Oh my god
[11:47] <ssam> i think rythmbox has the best interface
[11:47] <gen> you'd like muine then
[11:47] <mrcranky> gsuveg - this is my first hour on a Ubuntu system.  I think I'll stick to warty.
[11:47] <Quest-Master> I believe Ubuntu just killed my parents' $500 camera
[11:47] <drspin> mrcranky: I don't like rhythmbox YET -- it needs to add the ability to sort playlists before I can even use it
[11:47] <ssam> but its still not quite itunes
[11:47] <Quest-Master> ><
[11:47] <Quest-Master> nonononononono
[11:47] <gsuveg> mrcranky: then warty
[11:47] <RachelJM> Quest-Master, eep!
[11:47] <GoneBoB> Quest-Master: highly unlikely
[11:47] <Quest-Master> this is so bad.
[11:48] <GoneBoB> Quest-Master: what happened
[11:48] <gsuveg> mrcranky: me too the first ubuntu
[11:48] <Quest-Master> I deleted all of the pictures in the camera through Nautilus
[11:48] <GoneBoB> yes
[11:48] <Quest-Master> And the camera is clean and empty
[11:48] <Quest-Master> And now
[11:48] <Quest-Master> On the LCD
[11:48] <Quest-Master> The camera says there is no memory left
[11:48] <Quest-Master> And Nautilus says there is still 1.4MB left
[11:48] <mrcranky> ssam - iTunes is the only decent windows app, true
[11:48] <Quest-Master> But there is supposed to be 64MB free
[11:48] <drspin> Quest-Master: reformat the card with the camera
[11:49] <Quest-Master> How?
[11:49] <ssam> is muine in the universe
[11:49] <gen> quest, does it have removable flash memory?
[11:49] <drspin> Quest-Master: what kind of camera?
[11:49] <Quest-Master> Sony DSC
[11:49] <gen> ssam, i compiled my own in warty, it's in repos on hoary
[11:49] <Quest-Master> Yes, it has removable flash memory
[11:49] <gsuveg> mrcranky: and myabe howary backport if you need fesh packages
[11:49] <Quest-Master> I don't want to format it though and the camera not be able to read from it
[11:49] <Quest-Master> :\
[11:49] <Quest-Master> What to do?
[11:50] <gen> quest, well regardless, it didnt KILL your camera
[11:50] <Quest-Master> I have got to get this fixed before my parents are home
[11:50] <Quest-Master> ><
[11:50] <kbrooks> why? :o
[11:50] <drspin> Quest-Master: the flash card simple needs a filesystem (or file structure) that the camera supports on it
[11:50] <kbrooks> who owns the camera
[11:50] <kbrooks> and why did you remove all pictures?
[11:51] <drspin> and the only way to do that is navigate through the menus and find the option that will let you format the card
[11:51] <kbrooks> do you have a backup
[11:51] <GoneBoB> Quest-Master: the camera will format itself
[11:51] <gen> well if you removed all the pictures, why do you not want to format
[11:51] <drspin> GoneBoB: not all cameras... mine doesn't
[11:51] <RachelJM> I still need help saving settings to somewhere :(
[11:52] <GoneBoB> drspin: what a pain
[11:52] <drspin> RachelJM: what settings
[11:52] <drspin> GoneBoB: not really -- I on;y format it once a year...
[11:52] <mz2> how do i make .debs myself, from binaries i've built myself using the normal configure && make procedure?
[11:52] <GoneBoB> true, but it would be handy :)
[11:52] <drspin> I just remove the pics from it
[11:52] <RachelJM> drspin, all of them, as in all changes I make when I use ubuntu
[11:52] <kbrooks> Quest-Master, did you backup the  pictures?
[11:52] <kbrooks> well?
[11:52] <drspin> RachelJM: you mean to GNOME?
[11:53] <GoneBoB> kbrooks: he's not worried about the pictures, only the format of the card
[11:53] <AndyR> RachelJM, back now
[11:53] <RachelJM> drspin, um, probably, but I also want things like GAIM settings, and xchat servers that I add
[11:53] <Quest-Master> kbrooks: I saved the pictures luckily, yes
[11:53] <RachelJM> AndyR, cool, find anything useful?
[11:53] <drspin> RachelJM: the LiveCD won't let you save settings....
[11:54] <drspin> you should install Ubuntu
[11:54] <mrcranky> is there any way to get web-links in evolution emails to go to firefox when you click them?
[11:54] <Quest-Master> Can I reformat the camera from here?
[11:54] <Quest-Master> brb
[11:54] <kbrooks> Quest-Master, as for the format of the card.
[11:54] <AndyR> RachelJM, i tried it, but there doesnt seem to be any difference
[11:55] <kbrooks> RachelJM, install ubuntu.
[11:55] <kbrooks> RachelJM, i have.
[11:56] <AndyR> live cd is great for checking h/w compatability