[16:58] <sokmar> hi, is there a way to reset the state of a job that's stuck in /starting state? start and stop can only get it between start/starting and stop/starting; upstart 1.12.1


[11:03] <kupernetes> hello
[11:04] <kupernetes> anyone familiar with this error?
[11:04] <kupernetes> WARNING no API addressesERROR cmd: error out silently
[11:04] <kupernetes> for juju clouds
[20:13] <thumper> morning team
[22:16] <babbageclunk> thumper: release question - is disco still supported?
[22:16] <thumper> babbageclunk: probably not so much any more
[22:18] <babbageclunk> looks like it ended in Jan. Ok, sounds like I need to update build_package.py
[22:20] <babbageclunk> ah no, just hadn't fetched latest trunk
[22:50] <babbageclunk> kicked off the release job
[22:50] <thumper> timClicks: got a few minutes?
[23:28] <timClicks> thumper: yes, if you're still free


[00:00] <savvas> changed the ssh key wiki: https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/CreatingAnSSHKeyPair?action=diff
[00:03] <savvas> actually, changed it twice, sorry: https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/CreatingAnSSHKeyPair?action=diff&rev2=19&rev1=17
[00:13] <wgrant> mwhudson: Can you help karvec_?
[00:13]  * mwhudson reads back
[00:14] <mwhudson> karvec_: what can you remember about your launchpad account?
[00:17] <wgrant> mwhudson: We've resolved it in a PM, it would seem.
[00:18] <karvec_> Yup, thanks to both of you, I'm logged in.  :)
[00:21] <savvas> wgrant: what did you do? send a "contact this user" email to karvec_ 's username to find out which email it was? :)
[00:21] <wgrant> savvas: No, he happened to have it public.
[00:21] <wgrant> Lots of people don't these days :(
[00:21] <savvas> oh cool!
[00:21] <wgrant> And/or lots of people don't remember their username.
[00:21] <karvec_> :P  *grins*  It's been about a year.
[00:22] <savvas> that's because some proxies tend to catch it, spam-a-phobics :P
[01:37] <xnox> Hello everyone =D vcs-import from svn that I care about has been failing for quite some time now. Where should I report the bug with possible solution to the problem?
[01:38] <lifeless> xnox: file a question on launchpad-bazaar at answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar
[01:38] <lifeless> that will notify the relevant team
[01:42] <xnox> thanks
[01:53] <savvas> I wonder why launchpad vcs-import team doesn't get notified of failing imports
[01:54] <mwhudson> because we haven't fixed that bug yet
[01:54] <savvas> ah, my bad then :)
[01:54] <mwhudson> also, it's not clear that we'd have time to babysit them all :/
[01:54] <savvas> well at least a mailing list where people get notified of it
[01:55] <savvas> vcs-import-fails for 5+ fails in a row :P
[01:55] <mwhudson> right yes
[01:55] <savvas> do you know the bug number?
[01:56] <savvas> thanks for the information by the way
[01:57] <mwhudson> grr, can't find it
[01:59] <mwhudson> savvas: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/237533 is related
[02:07] <savvas> ok thanks
[02:11] <savvas> it has a pretty nice suggestion for a fix, stop importing by itself after a number of failed attempts
[05:14] <bd_> Is it me, or did edge's +builds page's CSS break just now?
[05:14] <bd_> as in, over the past few minutes
[05:15] <bd_> hmm, fixed itself
[05:19] <spm> bd_: I suspect you caught the edge servers doing their nightly (for them...) update. that kicked off about 18 minutes ago, and should be finishing nowish.
[05:20] <bd_> that'd do it, I guess.
[07:17] <lifeless> BjornT: it would be nice if the 'also in' text in the bug home pages were links IMO
[07:48] <jamesh> lifeless: I posted a testresources branch with a prototype for the make/reset/clean API, and found a bug in the dependency resource handling (bug 324202)
[07:52] <lifeless> jamesh: cool
[07:53] <lifeless> jamesh: is there a fix too?
[07:53] <jamesh> lifeless: not yet.  It'd probably look different depending on what you thought of the make/reset/clean change ...
[07:54] <lifeless> jamesh: ok, I'll peek at that when I'm more awake
[07:56] <jamesh> lifeless: I noticed the dependency resources bug when looking at how they'd interact with a reset() method.  Turns out that the problem I was worried about existed on trunk too :(
[07:59] <lifeless> jamesh: thank you
[09:35] <mrevell> morning
[09:36] <wgrant> Morning mrevell.
[10:20] <wgrant> Is it intentional that lazr.config and lazr.delegates aren't actually LGPL3'd?
[10:20] <wgrant> They have it as COPYING, but they're not actually licensed with it...
[10:23] <wgrant> Oh.
[10:23] <wgrant> lazr.config has both 'All rights reserved' and LGPL3, but lazr.delegates just 'All rights reserved'
[10:24] <wgrant> The former doesn't seem to make sense, and the latter is clearly wrong.
[10:32] <kiko-zzz> is there such a thing as LGPLv3?
[10:32] <kiko-zzz> hmm, yes there is
[10:35] <wgrant> kiko-zzz: The intention seems to be to LGPLv3 them both, but it hasn't actually been done properly.
[10:36] <kiko-zzz> I'll follow up with barry and francis
[10:37] <wgrant> Thanks.
[10:57] <savvas> does anyone know how to get a list of bazaar branches of a group using python and launchpadlib? I'm reading the documentation.. and I'm not pretty keen to this
[10:58] <kiko-zzz> savvas, I know thumper was working on this yesterday
[10:58] <kiko-zzz> savvas, rockstar will know as soon as he is up -- in some 4h
[10:58] <wgrant> savvas: Team or project?
[10:58] <kiko-zzz> savvas, have you seen the API docs?
[10:59] <savvas> wgrant: I'll be more specific, the list of vcs-imports bazaar branches
[11:00] <savvas> kiko-zzz: looking at them right now, the only thing I can do is follow the tutorial and use the launchpad api, but don't know how to load/import/use the stuff for bazaar
[11:00] <intellectronica> savvas: i don't think you can get the branches from a person/team using the api yet
[11:01] <savvas> ah
[11:01] <savvas> well that explains it then :P
[11:01] <kiko-zzz> savvas, there's an example API tool available. intellectronica, do you know where bac put it? is it already inside launchpadlib?
[11:01] <intellectronica> savvas: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/264902
[11:03] <intellectronica> kiko-zzz, savvas: not sure. not sure where the example is. there's enough on https://help.launchpad.net/API/launchpadlib to get you started, though
[11:03] <savvas> intellectronica: so there's no other way to grab a list of names of branches? something like (fictional
[11:03] <intellectronica> savvas: you can get the list of branches for a project
[11:03] <kiko-zzz> savvas, there will be this week, because I think thumper has a patch for this up already
[11:04] <savvas> (fictional) launchpad.bazaar['team'].display_branches ?
[11:04] <savvas> ok
[11:04] <savvas> thank you all :)
[11:04] <savvas> I'll subscribe myself to that bug
[11:06] <savvas> intellectronica: by the way, how do you get the list of branches for a project?
[11:07] <wgrant> savvas: launchpad.projects['someproject'].branches
[11:07] <savvas> thanks!!
[11:08] <wgrant> savvas: (Where launchpad is retrieved with something like Launchpad.get_token_and_login('some app name', EDGE_SERVICE_ROOT))
[11:08] <savvas> yes, I know that from the tutorial thankfully hehe
[11:08] <savvas> I think I got the hang of it
[11:08] <savvas> launchpad.project_groups['something'] searches of project names?
[11:09] <wgrant> project_groups is for project groups.
[11:09] <wgrant> What do you mean?
[11:10] <savvas> wait, I'll read up the api
[11:10] <wgrant> Huh.
[11:10] <wgrant> Indeed, that's odd.
[11:10] <gourgi> i;m having a problem branching from launchpad, i checked my launchpad ssh key, it is the right own,  http://pastebin.com/d3c7aaf6f
[11:10] <wgrant> It seems to work for all pillars.
[11:11] <wgrant> gourgi: You run bzr launchpad-login and gave bzr your Launchpad username?
[11:11] <gourgi> $ bzr launchpad-login  results gourgi , the right one
[11:12] <wgrant> gourgi: You have no SSH keys on Launchpad.
[11:12] <kiko-zzz> wgrant, and launchpad-login should probably fail if so, right?
[11:12] <wgrant> kiko-zzz: I don't see why it should.
[11:13] <kiko-zzz> because it's nonsensical if it doesn't?
[11:13] <wgrant> But bzr upon attempting to dereference the lp: URL should give the error message that the SSH server gives.
[11:13] <spiv> wgrant: https://edge.launchpad.net/~gourgi/+sshkeys shows a key to me?
[11:13] <gourgi> i do have and is the right one
[11:13] <wgrant> spiv: I of course cannot type 'r'
[11:14] <gourgi> is there a problem if the ssh key is passwordless  ?
[11:14] <spiv> No, at least not in Launchpad.
[11:15] <spiv> (That's a matter between you and your SSH client, but I doubt that is an issue)
[11:15] <wgrant> gourgi: What happens if you ssh to bazaar.launchpad.net manually?
[11:15] <gourgi> let me see
[11:15]  * spiv bets on "Permission denied (publickey)."
[11:15] <gourgi> spiv is correct
[11:15] <wgrant> spiv: Won't it sometimes give more descriptive errors?
[11:15] <spiv> gourgi: if ssh directly fails, try "ssh -v bazaar.launchpad.net" and see which key files it's trying to read.
[11:16] <spiv> wgrant: ssh -v (or -vvv if you're a glutton for noise) will.
[11:16] <savvas> spiv: it shows their email
[11:16] <savvas> or is that possible?
[11:16] <spiv> savvas: it shows their SSH key comment text, you mean?
[11:16] <savvas> look at the end of the string: https://edge.launchpad.net/~gourgi/+sshkeys
[11:17] <spiv> Right.  There's a bug open about munging emails in that text.
[11:17] <gourgi> spiv actually at the end of the string is just my comment there,
[11:17] <spiv> It's basically the same sort of thing as if someone puts their email address in their description; it's another free-form field that people, and people sometimes do put emails there.
[11:17]  * gourgi looking ssh -v now
[11:19] <spiv> gourgi: right, that's the comment field of the SSH key, as I said.
[11:20]  * spiv -> afk
[11:22] <savvas> wgrant: do you know what's wrong here: [group.name for group in launchpad.project_groups.search("mysql")]
[11:23] <savvas> Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
[11:23] <savvas> TypeError: __call__() takes exactly 1 argument (2 given)
[11:23] <gourgi> spiv, thanks for the 'ssh -v', i found the problem
[11:23] <savvas> gourgi: what was it?
[11:24] <wgrant> savvas: Launchpad API named operations only take kwargs.
[11:24] <gourgi> ssh was looking for id_dsa.pub, while my key's name was key.pub
[11:24] <gourgi> i think my ~/.ssh/config needs some more love :)
[11:25] <wgrant> savvas: Do you want to get a list of projects in the mysql project group?
[11:26] <savvas> wgrant: I was trying something I dug up from a tutorial for the launchpad api: http://news.launchpad.net/general/this-week-in-launchpads-web-api-2
[11:26] <wgrant> savvas: .search(text="mysql")
[11:27] <savvas> darn, and I was wondering what was that text it was talking about in the launchpadlib api :P
[11:27] <savvas> ok got it
[12:23] <EagleScreen> hello, i am trying to upload a package to my PPA, i am following now this guide: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#Adding%20a%20PPA%20to%20your%20Ubuntu%20repositories
[12:24] <EagleScreen> this is my PPA: https://launchpad.net/~eaglescreen/+archive/ppa
[12:25] <EagleScreen> this is my .deput.cf http://pastebin.ca/1325267
[12:25] <EagleScreen> I obtain this output:
[12:25] <EagleScreen> $ dput my-ppa usb-creator_0.1.11ubuntu1~ppa1_source.changes
[12:25] <EagleScreen> No host my-ppa found in config
[12:26] <stdin> ".deput.cf" ?
[12:26] <stdin> it should be .dput.cf
[12:27] <EagleScreen> oh! i will check it
[12:29] <EagleScreen> yes, it was wrong, sorry
[12:30] <stdin> everyone needs another pair of eyes now and then :)
[14:41] <yml> hello,
[14:42] <yml> is there a way in launchpad to view the file store in a bzr branch ?
[14:42] <yml> Without all the decoration added by loggerhead
[14:43] <yml> I would like to use http://rst2a.com to render rst file.
[14:46] <intellectronica> yml: you have a download link for every file in loggerhead
[14:48] <yml> intellectronica: yes I have seen it but this is not exactly what I am looking for.
[14:49] <yml> I would like to view the raw file online. Then I could use the bookmaklet to render it.
[14:49] <yml> http://rst2a.com/news/8/handy-bookmarklet/
[14:50] <intellectronica> ah, and you can't because of the mime type?
[14:51] <intellectronica> beuno, rockstar: b.t.w is there anything that can be done about this? serve text files with a mime type which will prompt browsers to view them?
[14:53] <yml> yes you are right
[14:54] <yml> I mean automatic conversion rst2html is also fine  :-)
[14:55] <intellectronica> yml: so, basically, you want a wiki :P
[14:57] <yml> Edit in place over the web is not something I like but being able to view the rst file in a formated hmtl is nice
[15:00] <intellectronica> yml: file a bug, i think it's a nice idea
[15:00] <intellectronica> yml: also, loggerhead is free software. patches are welcome ;)
[15:01] <beuno> intellectronica, well, it's kinda complicated to support viewing files, downloading files AND annotating files
[15:01] <beuno> annotating is what shows you the content of the file
[15:02] <yml> beuno: removing the mimetype would do the trick to view it online, isn't it ?
[15:02] <intellectronica> beuno: yes, but most version-controlled files are likely to be text files, so if you serve them with a text mimetype, users can both view them in a browser and save them
[15:03] <beuno> intellectronica, my guess is that it will break with images, won't it?
[15:03] <intellectronica> beuno: or, if you consider the automatic save prompt a feature, maybe we could have a [view as plain text] link
[15:03] <beuno> yml, no, removing the mime-type will make the browser thing it's always binary
[15:03] <intellectronica> beuno: with images you'll use the appriproate mime type for the image
[15:04] <beuno> intellectronica, but then we have to add mime-type detection in LH
[15:04] <intellectronica> beuno: from mimetypes import guess_type
[15:05] <beuno> intellectronica, nothing is that easy in LH
[15:05] <beuno> but
[15:05] <beuno> either way
[15:05] <beuno> making the download link not download it, will break quite a vew use cases
[15:05] <beuno> I guess we can add a "view plain text" within the annotated view
[15:05] <intellectronica> yeah, now that i think about it, it is a useful feature, but "view plain text" would be useful, i think
[15:06] <intellectronica> or even just "view", which can work with any mime type the browser supports
[15:13] <yml> That would be excellent
[15:13] <beuno> yml, file a bug  :)
[15:15] <yml> beuno: where should I do it ?
[15:16] <beuno> yml, https://bugs.launchpad.net/loggerhead
[15:18] <intellectronica> beuno: huh, so, it appears that download already uses mimetypes.guess_type - it simply defaults to application/octet-stream when it doesn't detect anything
[15:18] <intellectronica> so if that's a feature, it's an accidental one :)
[15:19] <beuno> intellectronica, it's all mwhudson's doings
[15:19] <intellectronica> ah, no, i think what makes it prompt for download is the Content-Disposition
[15:19] <beuno> but we do force downlods
[15:24] <yml> for your information : https://bugs.launchpad.net/loggerhead/+bug/324350
[15:28] <intellectronica> beuno, yml: lp:~intellectronica/loggerhead/view-file
[15:30] <intellectronica> oh, how strange. if a revision adds a new file, you don't see it in the diff you get from loggerhead
[15:31] <rockstar> intellectronica, really?
[15:31] <intellectronica> rockstar: yeah, see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~intellectronica/loggerhead/view-file/revision/264
[16:28] <beuno> intellectronica, "known" bug  :/
[16:29] <AlexC_> morning
[16:29] <AlexC_> my project is set to not use blueprints, however people can still register blueprints. Is this expected?
[16:33] <intellectronica> AlexC_: sounds like a bug to me. which project?
[16:33] <AlexC_> intellectronica, tangocms
[16:35] <AlexC_> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-foundations/+bug/210535 - seems to be the issue
[16:35] <intellectronica> AlexC_: yup
[16:36] <Alinux> ping danilos
[16:36] <AlexC_> is it possible to remove all blueprints from our project to? We no longer use them, and they are very dated. I'd rather them not be there
[16:36] <danilos> Alinux: hi Vladimer
[16:37] <Alinux> danilos, Salut Danilo!
[16:38] <intellectronica> AlexC_: we can arrange that. would you please file a question? an admin will look into that asap
[16:39] <AlexC_> intellectronica, sure. I did actually before, though I also asked about Bugs however I was told not possible (for blueprints to). I shall try again, though
[16:40] <intellectronica> AlexC_: oh, maybe i was missing something then. do you have a link to that question?
[16:40] <AlexC_> intellectronica, https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/56563 - it's more a general purge of the project, instead of just blueprints though
[16:47] <AlexC_> intellectronica, should I still file the other question?
[16:47] <intellectronica> AlexC_: what's the other question?
[16:47] <AlexC_> intellectronica, about just removing blueprints
[16:48] <AlexC_> other wise I am going to have to go through all 100+ blueprints manually and set the status ... not fujn
[16:48] <AlexC_> s/fujn/fun
[16:49] <intellectronica> AlexC_: i don't think that's necessary. we just have to see that your original question gets answered. i don't promise any particular result but i promise to get on the case
[16:49] <intellectronica> AlexC_: if the answer is that the data can't be deleted, we can still help you set those blueprints to OBSOLETE without you risking RSI
[16:50] <AlexC_> intellectronica, much appreciated. I'd just like it cleaned up as much as possible, since we've not used LP for quite some time and the data on there is old
[16:50] <AlexC_> intellectronica, excellent =)
[16:52] <AlexC_> btw, how would I go about getting our own Redmine installation as a registered bug tracker with LP? Am I right in thinking, if this is done - our bugs would be synced over to LP?
[16:54] <intellectronica> AlexC_: b.t.w why did you mark that question solved?
[16:54] <intellectronica> AlexC_: what's redmine? is it another bug tracker?
[16:54] <AlexC_> intellectronica, I felt it was getting no where, and no one replied for a long time. Thought I'd just say it was solved and do as much cleaning as I could my self
[16:55] <AlexC_> intellectronica, yes, for example http://dev.tangocms.org
[16:55] <AlexC_> you could call it a Trac clone really, but in Ruby
[16:55] <intellectronica> AlexC_: i'm afraid we don't support that bug tracker yet
[16:56] <AlexC_> ok, no worries
[16:56] <intellectronica> we support trac and bugzilla, and to a lesser extent also roundup, SF and savannah
[16:56] <intellectronica> AlexC_: it would be great if you could file a bug about supporting Redmine
[16:56] <AlexC_> intellectronica, what do I file it against?
[16:58] <intellectronica> AlexC_: malone
[16:58] <intellectronica> AlexC_: b.t.w why did you decide to move away from LP (if i may)?
[16:59] <AlexC_> intellectronica, ever since the UI re-design, it's just gone downhill and in a direction I'm not a fan of personally. The lack of control is a big one for me, little things such as being able to delete blueprints, remove code branches without having to get someone to hold my hand and do it for me
[17:00] <AlexC_> I just feel I have no control over my project if it is in Launchpad
[17:00] <AlexC_> which is a shame, since at the start (back in 07 when I registered the project) it was great
[17:01] <intellectronica> AlexC_: did you consider using the API to automate some tasks? (granted, there's no API for blueprints yet)
[17:01] <AlexC_> intellectronica, wasn't aware there was one
[17:03] <intellectronica> AlexC_: https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/
[17:04] <AlexC_> seems like an interesting API, though way too much hassle for us to move back now - would just cause total confusion
[17:10] <geser> cprov: Hi, can you re-publish a (arch:all) deb eaten by LP due to many promotions/demotions? It's libtest-perl-critic-perl. This already happened in intrepid, so jaunty got also only the source. Re-publishing in jauty would be enough for now.
[17:10] <MattCampbell> Is it acceptable for someone other than a project's owner to register a project on Launchpad and set up a VCS import?
[17:11] <cprov> geser: sure, can you file a question with all the information, please ?
[17:11] <Ursinha> MattCampbell, in which sense?
[17:12] <intellectronica> AlexC_: no problem re: deleting your blueprints. will be done later today
[17:12] <AlexC_> intellectronica, thank you very much, appreciate it. By delete do you mean fully delete, or just obsolete?
[17:13] <MattCampbell> I want to make some changes to a program and publish those changes, to contribute them back, but I'm not a committer on that project.
[17:14] <intellectronica> AlexC_: full delete, unless you prefer otherwise
[17:14] <AlexC_> intellectronica, full would be perfect =) Are you able to do the same for Bugs as well?
[17:14] <MattCampbell> This project isn't yet registered on Launchpad, so I was thinking I could register it, make it clear that it's not my project, then start registering branches for my changes.
[17:15] <MattCampbell> then post to the project's mailing list or bug tracker
[17:15] <intellectronica> AlexC_: sure
[17:15] <AlexC_> intellectronica, you're a star, thank you
[17:15] <MattCampbell> but this project uses SVN for version control
[17:16] <Ursinha> MattCampbell, well, I guess that if the program is opensource and it's license has no restrictions about it, and you keep the credits, than no problem
[17:17] <intellectronica> MattCampbell: you can register the project, get the sources imported from SVN and then use bzr to branch from them
[17:17] <Ursinha> MattCampbell, but I think the best would be you talking to the owner about adding your contributions to the main project
[17:17] <Ursinha> :)
[17:18] <Ursinha> intellectronica, I think that MattCampbell's point is less practical :)
[17:18] <Ursinha> or maybe I'm just wrong :)
[17:18] <intellectronica> Ursinha: you mean that it's impractical? ;)
[17:18] <Ursinha> intellectronica, :)
[17:19] <Ursinha> you got the idea :P
[17:25] <geser> cprov: sure, filed as question #59622
[18:00] <sproaty> should I make a release series for each new version of my app I make?
[18:00] <sproaty> i.e. add a new feature, new release?
[18:01] <Ursinha> sproaty, I think it's more a matter of taste
[18:02] <sproaty> I just want to do it to add download links, I'm uploading the source to LP via bzr at the moment, then uploading a .tar.gz to google code
[18:02] <sproaty> seems a bit silly if I could do it all through LP
[18:11] <Ursinha> sproaty, you can take a look at https://help.launchpad.net/Projects/SeriesMilestonesReleases
[18:11] <Ursinha> sproaty, I believe it'd be pretty helpful
[18:12] <sproaty> Ursinha: I'm reading that now actually :)
[18:12] <Ursinha> sproaty, right :)
[18:12] <sproaty> seems a bit overkill for a 1man project though :/
[18:20] <kfogel> So I'm a member of the bkrpr team in Launchpad, and when I go to the project's Downloads page:
[18:20] <Ursinha> sproaty, that's why I told you it's more a matter of taste :) there are people who prefer to keep the project organized in that way even with only a few people involved
[18:20] <kfogel> https://edge.launchpad.net/bkrpr/+download
[18:20] <kfogel> It says "No download files exist for this project."
[18:20] <kfogel> But, even though I'm an admin for the project, there is nothing saying how one would make a Download appear.
[18:20] <kfogel> In other words, how does one upload?
[18:21] <kfogel> Searching in Answers, and in LP general search, does not turn up an obvious answer...
[18:23] <Ursinha> kfogel, guess here is the answer: https://help.launchpad.net/Projects/FileDownloads
[18:23] <Ursinha> but it's not easy to find, I share your pain
[18:24] <kfogel> Ursinha: thank you.  Yes, I never would have found that (s/never/eventually, after trying many places/)
[18:26] <kfogel> Ursinha: one thing that LP Downloads pages don't make clear is that this isn't a place for arbitrary file uploads.  For example, the bkrpr project wants to upload some test image data, so people can try out bkrpr without going through the trouble of scanning their own images.  But that's not one of the approved kinds of downloads; unfortunately, only the help page above lists the approved kinds of downloads, the Downloads page itself does not.
[18:26] <Ursinha> kfogel, that's a good point
[18:26] <Ursinha> I'll talk to mrevell about it
[18:27] <Ursinha> kfogel, would you mind filing a bug about it, please?
[18:27] <kfogel> Ursinha: should I file a bug?
[18:27] <kfogel> heh
[18:27] <Ursinha> :)
[18:27] <kfogel> Ursinha: we're reading each other's minds.
[18:27] <kfogel> Will do.
[18:27] <Ursinha> thanks kfogel
[18:29] <kfogel> Ursinha: what's the right project to file against?  launchpad-foundations?
[18:31] <Ursinha> kfogel, guess so
[18:31] <Ursinha> if not, I can change that later :)
[18:40] <matsubara> kfogel: launchpad-registry
[18:41] <kfogel> matsubara: ah!  Okay.
[18:42]  * kfogel tries manually changing the URL while in the middle of typing up the bug report...
[18:48] <kfogel> matsubara, Ursinha: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-registry/+bug/324429
[18:48] <Ursinha> thanks kfogel
[18:48] <kfogel> Ursinha: would you like me to mail mrevell, CC'ing you?
[18:49] <Ursinha> kfogel, subscribing mrevell to that bug and commenting on it would be enough
[18:50] <kfogel> Ursinha: hmm, "matthew.revell" or "canonical-matthewrevell"... the latter, I think?
[18:51] <Ursinha> kfogel, I always subscribe him using matthew.revell
[18:51] <kfogel> ok
[19:31] <zu22> how the heck do i create a blueprint in launchpad?
[19:31] <zu22> i just clicked every fucking option in the project i am in
[19:31] <zu22> and i cannot find anything!
[19:31] <zu22> when i click "blueprints" it just has a damn link on the general blueprints documentation
[19:31] <zu22> DAMMIT
[19:32] <zu22> anyone?????????
[19:32] <zu22> how do i create a BLUEPRINT???????
[19:33] <zu22> ??????????????????
[19:34] <Ursinha> calm down zu22
[19:34] <Ursinha> go to blueprints on your project and "Register a blueprint"
[19:35] <zu22> sorry this is just gviing me a headache
[19:35] <Ursinha> zu22, did you find it?
[19:35] <Ursinha> a blue button
[19:36] <Ursinha> in your right
[19:36] <zu22> i am looking, i clicked "Blueprints"
[19:36] <zu22> there is no "Register a blueprint"
[19:36] <zu22> all it says:
[19:36] <zu22>     * Assignee
[19:36] <zu22>     * Drafter
[19:36] <zu22>     * Approver
[19:36] <zu22>     * Subscriber
[19:36] <zu22>     * Registrant
[19:36] <zu22>     * Feedback requests
[19:36] <zu22>     * Workload
[19:36] <AlexC_> zu22, I'd highly suggest being more polite in future, that attitude will get you less help. And use a pastebin.
[19:36] <zu22>     * Mentoring offered
[19:36] <zu22> AlexC_: sorry but i was very frustrated with this i just wasted 20 minutes of my life on it
[19:37] <Ursinha> zu22, which is the project's name?
[19:37] <zu22> here is where i am: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~netrek-server-team
[19:37] <zu22> Netrek Server Project
[19:37] <Ursinha> zu22, this is a team, not a project
[19:37] <zu22> i see people did blueprints in there
[19:37] <zu22> so i know it is possible
[19:37] <zu22> ursinha: what?
[19:37] <Ursinha> let me see it for you
[19:37] <AlexC_> zu22, people/groups can't have blueprints
[19:37] <zu22> team/project i thought is same thing
[19:37] <zu22> AlexC_: oh
[19:38] <Ursinha> zu22, you are able to register blueprints for projects
[19:38] <zu22> Ursinha: yes i want to do that
[19:38] <Ursinha> so the project is https://edge.launchpad.net/netrek-server, right?
[19:39] <zu22> yes
[19:39] <Ursinha> so go there and click on blueprints, please
[19:39] <zu22> Ursinha: yay! THANK YOU
[19:40] <zu22> Ursinha: btw, what is this "karma points" i see? i only have 27 points, how may i earn more points?
[19:40] <zu22> does 27 mean u are a noob?
[19:40] <zu22> lol
[19:40] <Ursinha> zu22, https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/Karma
[19:40] <Ursinha> zu22, you earn karma points for your activity on launchpad
[19:41] <Ursinha> zu22, so if you recently registered, you'll have few points
[19:42] <Ursinha> zu22, a team can work on a blueprint, but it's always attached to a project
[19:43] <Ursinha> that's why you can see blueprints related to that team
[19:44] <zu22> Ursinha: oh i see, it is asking me who to asisgn this blueprint to, i don't know who will wish to work on it, so i can just leave this blank?
[19:44] <Ursinha> zu22, sure
[19:45] <zu22> ok thanks :)
[19:48] <zu22> sorry guys i was so frustrated earlier
[19:49] <Ursinha> zu22, okay, next time just ping the Help contact mentioned on topic
[19:49] <Ursinha> in this case, me
[19:49] <Ursinha> :)
[19:49] <beuno> or always Ursinha, she's the nicest
[19:49] <Ursinha> beuno, :P
[19:50] <beuno> :)
[19:50] <Ursinha> beuno is the lp wizard
[19:50] <Ursinha> not me
[19:50] <Ursinha> I'm just an apprentice
[19:50] <beuno> right, I make you click "next" a million times!
[19:51] <AlexC_> is anyone here able to removes some code branches for a project of mine? They are very out of date (last import 20 weeks ago) and not needed
[19:51] <Ursinha> AlexC_, you can do that yourself
[19:51] <Ursinha> beuno, lol
[19:52] <AlexC_> Ursinha, oh really? I can't see to find anything in LP 'Code' part to remove them
[19:52] <Ursinha> AlexC_, there's a red button on the right side of the branch title, after clicking on it
[19:52] <beuno> Ursinha, actually, he can't if they're imports
[19:52] <beuno> because it's owned by ~vcs-imports
[19:53] <Ursinha> beuno, oh, really?
[19:53] <Ursinha> :/
[19:53] <AlexC_> ah, yeah they are vcs-imports (https://code.edge.launchpad.net/tangocms)
[19:53] <AlexC_> tbh, I have no idea how they got there in the first place. I don't recall adding them =3
[19:54] <beuno> AlexC_, file a question and someone will remove them  :)
[19:54] <AlexC_> ok, will do. Thanks both
[19:56] <Ursinha> np AlexC_ :)
[19:56] <AlexC_> =)
[19:58] <zu22> i wish to have launchpad adopt darcs
[19:58] <zu22> darcs is my favorite vcs
[19:58] <zu22> who do i email about this?
[19:59] <zu22> i hate svn/cvs
[19:59] <zu22> darcs is so much better in all respects
[19:59] <zu22> www.darcs.net
[19:59] <zu22> i wish to ask launchpad to please add darcs support
[19:59] <zu22> can you guys let them know?
[19:59] <zu22> everyone on my projects already has darcs repos
[20:00] <zu22> so we'd appreciate it
[20:00] <thumper> morning
[20:00] <zu22> morning thumper
[20:00] <thumper> zu22: have you tried bzr?
[20:00] <thumper> zu22: there is a bug about darcs support, but it isn't high priority
[20:01] <zu22> thumper: no never tried bzr
[20:01] <thumper> zu22: give it a whirl :)
[20:01] <zu22> thumper: ok :)
[20:02] <zu22> i heard linux kernel developers use bzr or is it git?
[20:02] <oojah> zu22: It's git.
[20:03] <zu22> ah
[20:04] <oojah> But that doesn't mean that it'd be the best for you of course.
[20:06] <thumper> :)
[20:08] <wgrant> Ursinha: It's a bin icon now, actually. Not a red obscure one.
[20:09]  * Ursinha looks
[20:09] <wgrant> Fixed in 2.2.1
[20:09] <kiko-afk> ken
[20:10] <Ursinha> it's true!
[20:10] <Ursinha> much better, must say
[20:10] <wgrant> It is.
[20:10] <wgrant> Except that it's all inconsistent now.
[20:10] <wgrant> Not only does the edit icon on that page look out of place, all of the other delete links use the red one.
[20:10] <zu22> i hope launchpad becomes more popular than sourceforge haha
[20:12] <zu22> sf is *so slow*
[20:12] <zu22> and they have too much downtime
[20:12] <zu22> i hope launchpad keeps many FAST REDUNDANT SERVERS
[20:12] <kiko-afk> wgrant, in this case it's inconsistently good. imagine if it was all bad:)
[20:12] <zu22> with quad core cpus and much ram!!
[20:12] <zu22> on gigabit internet backbones
[20:12] <wgrant> kiko-afk: True, true.
[20:13] <wgrant> I think that is the first time I've ever seen somebody complain about how slow another project hosting site is in here.
[20:14] <thumper> wgrant: we'll fix the other delete links to be bins too :)
[20:15] <zu22> wgrant: hehe
[20:15] <mwhudson> wgrant: have you got examples of other red delete icons?
[20:15]  * mwhudson fixed merge proposals just before 2.2.1 went out
[20:15] <thumper> mwhudson: code reviews :)
[20:15] <thumper> ah that's right
[20:15] <thumper> :)
[20:15] <thumper> hey, I even reviewed and QAed that
[20:15] <mwhudson> i mean, if _i_ can't figure out where the delete button is for a code page...
[20:16] <wgrant> mwhudson: I can't remember, but those more privileged can grep!
[20:16] <wgrant> Code reviews was one example that I noticed, right.
[20:16] <mwhudson> that's a point
[21:48] <mwhudson> wgrant: fwiw, i've just sent off a branch that changes the last inappropriate use of the red delete icon, let me know if you find any more hiding somewhere :)
[22:14] <wgrant> mwhudson: Great! Is there an appropriate use of it?
[22:16] <mwhudson> wgrant: beuno's thought was that it's appropriate for unlinking as opposed to deleting
[22:16] <mwhudson> (certainly the trashcan wouldn't really be appropriate there)
[22:20] <wgrant> mwhudson: True.
[22:40] <knitt1> hello
[22:40] <mwhudson> hi
[22:40] <knitt1> a friend of mine (on a windows machine) has a project on launchpad
[22:40] <knitt1> he now wants to create a feature-branch on launchpad
[22:40] <knitt1> how can he do this?
[22:41] <knitt1> i'm not really good with bzr+lp :D
[22:42] <mwhudson> knitt1: just push to lp:~<userid>/<project>/<branch-name>
[22:42] <knitt1> mwhudson: it should be a project branch
[22:42] <knitt1> not a user branch
[22:42] <mwhudson> um
[22:42] <knitt1> is it lp:~project/branchname?
[22:42] <mwhudson> branches always have an owner
[22:42] <mwhudson> the owner can be a team though
[22:43] <knitt1> ok
[22:57] <popey> barry: http://news.launchpad.net/podcast/launchpoad-16-talking-about-launchpad-221  "launchpoad"
[22:58] <barry> popey: i thought you were going to say how much you loved the theme music :)
[22:58] <popey> I will when I've heard it :)


[14:59] <slashd> o/
[15:02] <sil2100> o/
[15:02] <slashd> from what I can see no applicant today.
[15:03] <sil2100> Yeah, we just have the 2 carried-over action items to touch-base on
[15:04] <slashd> yeah do we start a meeting anyway ?
[15:04] <slashd> My action for APAC is waiting on the original APAC requester
[15:04] <sil2100> hm, we usually wait for quorum when starting the meeting, but that's only relevant for when voting is required
[15:05] <sil2100> tsimonq2 doesn't seem to be around for his action item as well
[15:05] <sil2100> So I guess we'll be carrying them over
[15:05] <sil2100> All the other action items are done, so yay
[15:05] <tsimonq2> I'm around, but alas, with no completed action item :(
[15:06] <slashd> ok, I guess we are done then ? ;)
[15:06] <sil2100> tsimonq2: no worries! Hope you'll find some time for that - remember, it's enough if you just have some base we can all chip in on
[15:06] <sil2100> I'd say we're done, but let's stick around here in case anyone comes with some DMB-related request
[15:07] <sil2100> I like treating DMB meetings as 'time when we're available for the community'
[15:07] <sil2100> (I mean, we're available always, but here we're specifically for that ;p)
[15:07] <slashd> sil2100, make sense
[15:16] <ddstreet> sil2100 slashd tsimonq2 or any other dmb member, my application is sched for next mtg; if you have any requests for info for me to gather before the mtg, please let me know at your convenience (or now, if you have something now)
[15:18] <slashd> ddstreet, I won't be able to attend next meeting on May 20th, on my side I worked enough with you to have my opinion about your work. I'll make sure the dmb get my vote pre-next mtg.
[15:18] <slashd> so my absence won't be a blocker for you
[15:23] <ddstreet> slashd thnx
[15:24] <slashd> Here's my recommendation :
[15:24] <slashd> - set yourself as patch pilot for 1 or 2 days
[15:24] <slashd> it's low traffic really low
[15:24] <slashd> - http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/
[15:24] <slashd> fix something FTBFS
[15:24] <slashd> again it's up to you, but I think it might help
[15:24] <slashd> more 'upload' won't satisfy them I'm afraid
[15:25] <slashd> there must be something in the list that is not super time consuming if you want to have a look
[15:26] <teward> just as a heads up SOMETIME before the end of the month (next week or two) I intend to file my application for Core Dev.  If you need any requests for info you need from me, let me know now or after I post the item to the agenda. (just wanted to give a heads up about it)
[15:26] <cyphermox> aaaa. sorry, I thought I was on, but my connection was dead
[15:27] <teward> (work schedule is chaotic evil with interrupting my ability to get the application filed :P)
[15:28] <slashd> ddstreet, try to expand your work outside more 'upload' only if possible, show that you can also handle other coredev task basically.
[15:28] <sil2100> teward: ok o/
[15:35] <slashd> sil2100, cyphermox, tsimonq2 : did we establish a list of thing we would like ddstreet to do before he re-apply for coredev (beside more upload) I know tsimonq2 is working on a document but meanwhile can we help ddstreet to reach its objective ?
[15:38] <tsimonq2> slashd: set yourself as patch pilot for 1 or 2 days> That seems to me to be a bit of a catch 22.
[15:39] <tsimonq2> Of course, recommendations can be made about what to do, and triage can be done, but a lot of it is, well, sponsoring.
[15:39] <cyphermox> not that I know. the story for applications is pretty much "do work", where that's ftbfs fixes, etc.
[15:39] <tsimonq2> Since we're at that point in the cycle, I would also recommend merges from Debian.
[15:39] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: +1
[15:40] <slashd> tsimonq2, ddstreet did a few merge already from what I can remember
[15:40] <tsimonq2> As was said before, we're not looking for a set amount of uploads. We're looking to see that you have demonstrated skill in a wide variety of tasks.
[15:40] <tsimonq2> slashd: Ah, got it.
[15:40] <slashd> tsimonq2, right this is why i put focus on not only more uploads, ddstreet already showed his skill in the upload area imho
[15:41] <slashd> tsimonq2, remember ddstreet is already a sponsor in stable release, so he can help as patch pilot for stable release at least.
[15:42] <ddstreet> is that something that would carry any weight at all in my coredev application?  sponsoring to sru releases?
[15:42] <ddstreet> i was under the impression it would not
[15:42] <tsimonq2> slashd: Ohh, got it.
[15:42] <slashd> tsimonq2, ack
[15:42] <tsimonq2> ddstreet: Yes and no.
[15:43] <ddstreet> well that's not ambiguous xD
[15:43] <tsimonq2> You should have devel uploads to supplement your SRUs, but I would say that if you can demonstrate your skill that way, that's fine.
[15:43] <tsimonq2> Sorry ;)
[15:48] <slashd> tsimonq2, I think he did a decent amount of devel upload in disco, and will continue in eoan : https://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu-sponsorships.cgi?render=html&sponsor=&sponsor_search=name&sponsoree=Dan+Streetman&sponsoree_search=name I don't think devel upload is an issue for ddstreet
[15:48] <slashd> we can have a wider discussion next mtg, but my goal is more that provide reasonnable goal for him to succeed
[15:49] <slashd> s/that/to ^
[15:49] <tsimonq2> ok
[15:52] <slashd> this is why I have suggested patch pilot, and FTBFS situation, (he already did merge (for vlan) iirc and decent amount of devel uploads imho).
[16:03] <slashd> ddstreet, so bottom line ddstreet continue to do what you are doing, and if you can show us other things such as FTBFS it won't hurt your next application I guess, that's what I can think of and seem to come out from the discussion so far, as you already did other proposal (merge, devel uploads, ...) hope it helps a little bit to prepare you for next mtg
[16:03] <ddstreet> slashd thnx


[07:45] <dholbach> good morning
[08:00] <tuos> Hi! I am beginning to give some love back and picked up a quite simple bug to get it fixed: (LP: #610622). I pushed a fix-proposal to lp and posted a review request/merge proposal. According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/Documentation/SeekingSponsorship , that should be pretty much it to get the sponsorship process going.
[08:01] <tuos> I set the status of the bug to "In progress" and assigned it to my self, just like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status said. However, I started to think if it was the right thing to do.
[08:02] <tuos> Code-review docs talk about setting the status to "In progress" if the patch needs still work and is done by a reviewer.
[08:03] <tuos> So the long story in short: what should be the status of the bug during a review/merge process? And should it be assigned to someone only by reviewers?
[11:16] <nigelb> tuos: sponsoring has its own process and happens automatically
[11:16] <nigelb> tuos: the reviewers generally don't go through the sponsors list.  Someone will get to it soon :)
[11:16] <nigelb> (except for the reviewers who are also sponsors)
[15:54] <MWelchUK_work> Hey jono - haven't seen you about for a few years (I'm the daft one from LRL a few years back and Linux Expo UK with long Blonde hair...). Hows the land of the free treating you.
[15:58] <jono> hey MWelchUK_work!
[15:58] <jono> long time
[15:58] <jono> about to hop on a call, but all good?
[15:58] <MWelchUK_work> Certainly is
[15:58] <MWelchUK_work> Yup - I'll pester you some other time :-)
[16:09] <nigelb> MWelchUK_work: sorry about the other day.  I fell asleep.
[16:09] <nigelb> If something is in the sponsorship queue, it will be checked out soon enough.  I'm not sure what's the current wait time time.
[16:09] <nigelb> Generally, I poke somone I know for sponsorship.
[16:10] <MWelchUK_work> nigelb, np
[16:10] <nigelb> but that's not needed at all.  I do it only for feedback for future :)
[16:11] <MWelchUK_work> I'm afraid I'm a bit naive to the processes arround Ubuntu development - for the most part it "just works" for me as a dev host.
[16:11] <MWelchUK_work> I just gagging to move up to 10.04 (my current dev machine is 8.04)
[16:12] <nigelb> ah :))
[16:12] <MWelchUK_work> Work machine - I go from LTS to LTS. Not sure my manager would be too happy with me taking time to re-install my machine every 6 months...
[16:13] <nigelb> yeah that's what we plan to do too.  Just moved to 10.04 from windows 2000
[16:14] <MWelchUK_work> Now that's an upgrade :-)
[16:14] <nigelb> Yep.  They were planning on buying new systems.
[16:15] <nigelb> Now, just some ram and it works great.
[16:19] <candrea> Hi there! I'm looking for someone to review a quick and easy patch of mine, can somebody help me, please?
[16:19] <nigelb> candrea: sure, bug 3?
[16:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 3 in mono (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Custom information for each translation team (affects: 1) (heat: 2)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/3
[16:20] <nigelb> bug # rather
[16:20] <nigelb> fail.... bug number?
[16:20] <candrea> bug 399711
[16:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 399711 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "add-apt-repository ppa:username does not add deb-src entry (affects: 5) (heat: 36)" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/399711
[16:20] <candrea> here's the MP: https://code.launchpad.net/~andrea.corbellini/software-properties/bug-399711/+merge/22593
[16:24] <nigelb> candrea: I just poked mvo.  He's looking into it :)
[16:26] <nigelb> candrea: < mvo> nigelb: looks fine
[16:26] <candrea> nigelb: I poked him too some months ago, but he never replied, probably he was just busy... anyhow thanks!
[16:27] <nigelb> candrea: np :)
[16:27] <candrea> nigelb: cool. I'm not a core dev so I suppose he will merge it for me, right?
[16:28] <nigelb> you've asked for it to be branched to the software cener trunk
[16:28] <nigelb> he has to do it
[16:28] <candrea> ok


[00:42] <Riddell> 00:00 < tsdgeos> Riddell: any clue why installing the new xserver-xorg-input-synaptics wants to uninstall kde-config-touchpad ?
[00:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ↑
[03:33] <xnox> i want to test how a qt5 app looks if rendered using gtk2 style,  how do I force that?
[03:33] <xnox> in qt4 world there used to be qtconfig, which appears to be non-existant in qt5 world.
[04:10] <jarkko_> guys
[04:10] <jarkko_> does ext4 have filesystem "cleanup" or not? fschek or something
[06:31] <jussi> jarkko_: afaik, fsck can b used on ext4...
[06:44] <Tm_T> a suitable question to be asked in #kubuntu too btw
[07:56] <apachelogger> xnox: -style gtk IIRC
[08:08] <apachelogger>  ErrorMessage: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/oxygen/32x32/apps/networkmanager.png', which is also in package kde-workspace-data 4:4.10.5-0ubuntu0.1
[08:08] <apachelogger> pff, how very rude
[08:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: developer-sdk won't be displayed because it has no Exec line btw
[08:31] <apachelogger> and why does it Depends  subversion, python-rbtools, kdesrc-build
[08:59] <ghostcube> hmm hi guys i noticed the ubuntu virtualbox addon package is still 4.3.2 there is 4.3.6 already and will get higher in some days. is there a reason this is not updated in sync?
[09:00] <ghostcube> 4.3.6 doesnt work anymore but just for info
[09:00] <valorie> ghostcube: have you looked for a bug about that?
[09:01] <valorie> the packagers often rely on those bug reports
[09:01] <ghostcube> nah i havent cause i normally install the modules by myself with the run script just noticed this yesterday, as i seen that 14.04 pumped xorg to 1.15 and virtualbox cant handle this
[09:01] <ghostcube> can do this later today
[09:02] <valorie> you might find more information in the bug reports
[09:02] <ghostcube> ok
[09:02] <ghostcube> the 1.15 is supported with next update, i get this from vbox devs.. but you cant grab a beta release... they dont do such things  grml
[09:03] <ghostcube> so, anybody running the alpha in vbox must wait till next week or so
[09:03] <ghostcube> :D
[09:33] <apachelogger> valorie: seems to me translation export is going to be a PITA
[09:33] <valorie> :(
[09:34] <apachelogger> or I am missing something
[09:34] <apachelogger> trying to wire up an en_US package right now
[09:35] <apachelogger> though from what I have seen getting translations exported correctly requires one to manually use the export function for each translation
[09:37] <valorie> we don't have many, so that might not be a problem for now
[09:37] <valorie> but hopefully we'll get lots in time
[09:37] <valorie> it would be good to have ahoneybun figure this stuff out and do it
[09:37] <valorie> and we're starting to document our process
[09:38] <valorie> last I looked, there is not objection to us using the Community wiki for our policy page and etc.
[09:42] <valorie> so you can look forward to wiki work, instead of mourning lost work on moinmoin
[09:53] <valorie> i'll check email now; off for the night
[10:04] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/gnuXOzP.png
[10:04] <apachelogger> valorie: \o/ wiki work
[10:04] <apachelogger> oh wait
[10:04] <apachelogger> -.-
[10:04] <apachelogger> work
[10:04] <apachelogger> pff
[10:13] <apachelogger> oh god docbook is terrible
[10:13] <apachelogger> sweet baby jesus
[10:13]  * apachelogger runs into a wall
[10:20] <apachelogger> !find kde-chunk-common.xsl
[10:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: poke, image build failures due to synaptiks?
[11:05] <apachelogger> ah yes
[11:06] <apachelogger> ahoneybun, valorie: welcome page has an issue ... there is more than one == foo == section which results in sections being converted to chapters http://i.imgur.com/gnuXOzP.png <- here you have what is linux, what is kde, thank you... and those are supposed to be sections of welcome
[11:07] <apachelogger> also the trademark signs in the documentation are very excessive ^^
[11:07] <apachelogger> oh that's probably from the conversion
[11:42] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:14] <ghostcube> hi BluesKaj  :)
[12:15] <BluesKaj> Hi ghostcube
[12:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: pling
[12:56] <ghostcube> hmm ok self patching virtualbox install script didnt work lulz... it gets my xorg server change somehow...
[12:56] <ghostcube> -.- killing md5 check worked but the rest meeh
[12:58] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/vTRSjp7.png
[12:58] <apachelogger> valorie: I think I got most of it scripted now
[12:59] <apachelogger> no clue why yuri's script doesn't do the export business as well, it's really just a very simple http POST request
[12:59] <apachelogger> also the script has a bug or two
[13:00] <apachelogger> totally failes to create valid docbooks from the current el and pl translation ^^
[13:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you get to the API review yet?
[13:30] <apachelogger> Riddell, ahoneybun, valorie: git@git.kde.org:scratch/sitter/kubuntu-docs
[13:33] <apachelogger> uploading initial upload now
[13:40] <apachelogger>   Uploading kubuntu-docs_14.04ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[13:40] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[13:42] <apachelogger> ahoneybun, valorie: assuming it works, does one of you want to blog about this?
[13:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: btw, please remember to blog about driver manager
[13:49] <jussi> our libre office is really broken in 13.10 :/
[13:49] <jussi> crashes consistently when doing a "save as"
[14:27] <tsdgeos> Riddell: shadeslayer: did you see my yesterday's comment about xserver-xorg-input-synaptics wanting to uninstall kde-config-touchpad on dist-upgrade ?
[14:32] <Riddell> tsdgeos: yes, we're still waiting on shadeslayer to show up today
[14:32] <tsdgeos> oki
[14:32] <Riddell> but I'm mostly ill and not able to do much so I can't complain
[14:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: it is top of my todo list but alas I have no energy today so it may not happen
[17:37] <genii> A question from #ubuntu+1 : <pietro10> Hi. Is there a reason kde-config-touchpad has been removed? Has it been replaced by something? If not, will I still be able to turn off certain features like tapping in a future reinstall? Thanks.
[18:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hi
[18:16] <shadeslayer> what's the problem?
[18:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I think someone incorrectly merged the synaptics driver
[18:22] <shadeslayer> and now synaptiks needs a merge
[18:23] <shadeslayer> I can't get to it before sunda
[18:23] <shadeslayer> *Sunday
[19:52] <ahoneybun> apachelogger: what is going on with the docs? you have managed to make a package? if so I will make a post on the Docs Google+ page.
[20:34] <jarkko_> http://pastebin.com/VZaCmuB3
[21:00] <shadeslayer> jarkko_: seems like a issue in evnice
[23:08] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[23:08] <valorie> greetings, ahoneybun
[23:08] <ahoneybun> how are our docs doing?
[23:09] <valorie> did you read up on what apachelogger said?
[23:09] <valorie> if not I can paste for you
[23:10] <ahoneybun> I did not fully understand the error
[23:11] <ahoneybun> I see he uploaded a kubuntu-docs package
[23:11] <ahoneybun> well saw as I don't know how to access it
[23:11] <ahoneybun> if I could
[23:12] <valorie> pasted
[23:12] <valorie> please ask apachelogger about that; I haven't a clue
[23:12] <ahoneybun> so what did I need to find out?
[23:12] <valorie> oh, he's got it in git
[23:12] <valorie> you have to have git installed to clone that
[23:13] <ahoneybun> i see
[23:15] <valorie> I learned how to do that when I learned how to build amarok
[23:21] <valorie> !git
[23:21] <valorie> pfff
[23:21] <valorie> sec
[23:32] <valorie> ok I'm going to try to do it based on myriam's blogpost about how to build amarok: http://blogs.fsfe.org/myriam/2009/09/compiling-amarok-from-git-locally-full-summary/
[23:32] <valorie> more about git here: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Sources/KDE_git-tutorial
[23:40] <ahoneybun> well first would have to clone it
[23:42] <valorie> no, if this is the first time you've used git, there are steps before that
[23:42] <valorie> which is why I provided both links
[23:42] <valorie> I found an inaccuracy in the wiki page so I'm fixing that
[23:49] <ahoneybun> I see the walkthough but I still get the same error
[23:52] <ahoneybun> we don't have permission
[23:58] <valorie> you don't need permission
[23:58] <valorie> I'm at http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Git/Configuration now
[23:59] <valorie> setting up for more than amarok, in my case


[05:07] <Mr__> anyone here?
[05:08] <johnc4510-laptop> Mr__: yes
[05:08] <Mr__> anyone here officially with ubuntu?
[05:08] <johnc4510-laptop> not sure
[05:08] <Mr__> i c
[05:11] <Mr__> i wonder if they will flip over my domain name
[05:13] <boredandblogging> Mr__: whats your domain name?
[05:14] <Mr__> they asked me to change the other one
[05:14] <Mr__> which i am in the middle of
[05:14] <Mr__> the new name i picked is
[05:14] <Mr__> buntfu.com
[05:15] <boredandblogging> Mr__: was the old one ourbuntu or something?
[05:15] <Mr__> yea
[05:15] <Mr__> still have a lot to do to totally switch it
[05:15] <boredandblogging> yeah
[05:21] <Mr__> soo...
[10:14] <katkin> elkbuntu: hey
[10:15] <elkbuntu> katkin, hi, in teleconf atm, can i get back to you?
[10:15] <katkin> elkbuntu: absolutely, no probs at all - just wanted to catch up about LCA and see how it went?
[11:06] <elkbuntu> katkin, i started writing a report up today, but have to find out the name of the sole volunteer that showed up to help run the booth.
[11:09] <elkbuntu> i'll email it through when i get it done :)
[11:11] <katkin> thanks
[11:11] <katkin> did you see anyone from Canonical there?
[11:21] <yama> there were several Canonical folk at LCA


[00:01] <Volans> script?cript?
[14:57] <qense> hello
[15:10] <newz2000> hey qense
[15:32] <newz2000> Today is International talk like a pirate day
[15:34] <qense> aargh
[15:34] <newz2000> I wonder why Google calendar didn't notify me, usually it tells all the holidays.
[16:44] <thorwil> newz2000: ahoy! did the crew decide on the countdown banner for ubuntu.com yet?
[16:44] <newz2000> yes, I will be using the column 3 one for ubuntu.com's beta homepage banner
[16:44] <newz2000> and it sounds like they like the final frame of the ibex
[16:45] <thorwil> good :)
[16:46] <thorwil> newz2000: now, don't you need a bit larger size with those rounded corners cut out?
[16:46] <newz2000> I don't think so, I think I'm going to make that size fit in the beta banner
[16:46] <thorwil> cool
[16:46] <newz2000> but I think you sent me svgs didn't you? if so I can work it in I think.
[16:47] <newz2000> oh, never mind
[16:47] <thorwil> newz2000: yes, you have all the material. but please make sure to ask back if you have to edit it
[16:47] <newz2000> that's silly I don't want to make 30 more images
[16:47] <newz2000> ok
[16:47] <newz2000> I'm going to try not to edit it


[05:27] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> morning Sveta :p
[05:46] <Sveta> morning lotuspsychje :) i am eyeballing http://www.glump.net/howto/desktop/create-global-shortcut-keys-for-rhythmbox-music-player-in-any-desktop and hoping that ubottu's unity advice you gave is going to work
[05:48] <Sveta> then i find https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/950743, it may be relevant
[05:49] <lotuspsychje> Sveta: such an old bug on artful?
[05:50] <Sveta> it's 5 years old and makara faces similar symptom
[05:50] <Sveta> at least it tells me that they need a dbus plugin enabled in their rhytmbox
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> yeah sympton is same as bug indeed
[05:51] <lotuspsychje> but i presume later rythmbox version on all this years should have fixxed it no?
[05:52] <Sveta> they probably has a missing package
[05:54] <Sveta> this silence is disturbing
[05:54] <Sveta> i don't want to give them 'ppa is unsupported' advice, i need to get info from them first
[05:54] <Sveta> get info, like output of apt install
[05:54] <lotuspsychje> yeah
[05:54] <Sveta> then they go silent
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> Sveta: 2 things are a kill for systems, upgrades & ppa's add
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> seen alot of them in the past
[05:56] <dax> i wish ubuntu had a https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> what does that do dax?
[05:57] <dax> it's a page you throw at people doing stupid things
[05:57] <dax> like mixing repository versions and installing crap off nvidia's website
[05:58] <dax> (and presumably, in our case, thoughtless adding of PPAs)
[05:58] <Sveta> i'm trying to figure out whether it's from a ppa or not by asking for policy output
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> hmm good idea for ubuntu factoid?
[05:58] <dax> if there were a wikipage, a link to it from ubottu would be a good idea
[05:59] <dax> the wikis and i do not get along well at all, i gave up a few years ago
[05:59] <lotuspsychje> i see
[05:59] <Sveta> ok that is not a ppa
[06:00] <Sveta> !info rhythmbox-plugins
[06:00] <Sveta> what about artful
[06:00] <Sveta> !info rhythmbox-plugins/artful
[06:00] <Sveta> !info rhythmbox-plugins artful
[06:00] <dax> space, not /
[06:01]  * dax checks on his request to get that fixed
[06:01] <dax> oh, only a couple of days ago. will poke next time he's around
[06:02] <Sveta> i'm confused... where'd they get librhythmbox-core10 3.4.2 from..
 hubby's computer is having a bad time. the monitor is full of weird colors and lines (ubuntu 16.04)
[06:04] <Sveta> i read that as 'computer is having a bed time'
[06:04] <dax> version number google would suggest https://launchpad.net/~ubuntuhandbook1/+archive/ubuntu/apps?field.series_filter=zesty
[06:05] <Sveta> so they need to 1) remove the ppa 2) purge everything they've got from that ppa 3) install rhythmbox and rhythmbox-plugins from the official repo
[06:05] <Sveta> (1) i can google, (2) i have no idea, (3) is easy
[06:05] <dax> yes. ppa-purge will handle at least the first 2 of those, i forget whether it also handles the third
[06:06] <Sveta> i think it does
[06:06] <Sveta> so it would be `sudo ppa-purge ppa:ubuntuhandbook1/apps`
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> dependecy errors mostly scrambled system theirselfs..
[06:07] <Sveta> if this is the case, they need to be told to read the output carefully in case they're using another useful package from that ppa
[06:07] <Sveta> yes, i'm waiting on output of `apt-cache policy librhythmbox-core10` to determine whether they're using a ppa
[06:14] <Sveta> i need to head out
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> laterz mate
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> !unity
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> !wayland
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> dax: another one to fix :p
[06:15] <dax> fun
[06:15] <dax> !search mir
[06:16] <dax> oh right, *mir*ror, bleh
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> morning EriC^^
[06:20] <Sveta> laters
[06:20] <EriC^^> morning lotuspsychje
[06:20] <dax> we have any wikipages for wayland issues yet?
[06:20] <dax> wiki.ubuntu.com's Wayland page is not very helpful
[06:21] <lotuspsychje> dax: lemme look for that
[06:22] <dax> k. so far I'm thinking !wayland is <reply> Wayland is a display server protocol that can be used instead of X. Ubuntu 17.10 onwards use Wayland by default on systems that support it.
[06:22] <dax> with an extra sentence if we have somewhere to point to
[06:22] <dax> !mir
[06:22] <dax> looks fine already, i just fixed the version to 17.10
[06:22] <dax> the second version that is
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> cant find any decent wayland
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> just that older wiki
[06:23] <dax> will just use the FDO homepage i guess, meh
[06:24] <dax> i forget if this is instant
[06:24] <dax> !wayland
[06:24] <dax> guess so
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> nice one
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> until new wiki thats perfect
[06:26] <lotuspsychje> alot of questions arising at main lately, like xrandr replacement,..etc
[06:28] <dax> k, gonna go see if i can get sqlite to cooperate and give me a list of http factoids
[06:31] <lotuspsychje> cool
[06:31] <dax> sqlite> SELECT COUNT(*) FROM facts f WHERE value LIKE '%http:%';
[06:31] <dax> 465
[06:31] <dax> hrm.
[06:33] <dax> 386 after i ignore the <deleted> ones. this is gonna be tedious.
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> ouch
[06:36] <dax> yeah. i'm gonna go by domain i think
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> dax: this usefull? https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/Wayland
[06:37] <dax> thankfully ubottu supports !foo =~ s/bar/baz/ to replace "bar" with "baz" in factoid "foo", so it won't be absolutely awful
[06:37] <dax> (e.g. i just got all the factoids containing http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ and can now use that on each of them without needing to know the contents of the factoid, so i can mock up the commands in a text editor)
[06:38] <lotuspsychje> bbl
[06:40] <dax> 06:39 < ubottu> You've given me 10 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 2 minutes.
[06:40] <dax> apparently "invalid commands" includes valid Encyclopedia commands. great.
[06:48] <dax> oh excellent, the copy of the factoid database on the website is from 2015
[07:08] <dax> down to 308, will poke at it more tomorrow
[07:15] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:38] <ducasse> good morning
[08:14] <ikonia> win 8
[08:14] <ikonia> oops
[08:24] <lordievader> Hey ducasse
[08:24] <ducasse> hiya lordievader, how's your morning?
[08:26] <lordievader> Okay, bit tired.
[08:26] <lordievader> How are you?
[08:27] <ducasse> about the same, fighting to wake up :)
[08:30] <lordievader> Good luck
[08:34] <ducasse> you too - have some coffee, it usually does the trick :)
[09:01] <lordievader> Just did, it goes a little better now :)
[10:14] <jink> COFFEEEEEEEEEEEEEE O_______o
[12:35] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[13:10] <Ben64> apport is spying on you!
[13:11] <BluesKaj> oh lord
[13:12] <BluesKaj> someone has put a bug in his ear ...that's where the bug is :-0
[13:19] <Ben64> how does this guy get through life
[13:30] <Ben64> ah, it's a troll
[13:31] <Ben64> had me fooled till the sigyn name drop
[13:32] <BluesKaj> he thinks the chat has become his personal blog ...we need room for real issues that others have
[13:33] <Ben64> yeah
[13:35] <Ben64> just filling the channel with nonsense
[13:44] <ducasse> "sending memory dumps behind my back" - lol
[13:48] <Ben64> yep
[13:48] <Ben64> i tried for a bit and realized it was hopeless
[18:47] <Bashing-om> Hello Monday support . We can do this :)
[19:33] <dax> hrm, no daily ISOs for bionic yet
 My computer froze, I hard-shutoff, and now my trackpad is malfunctioning. How do I restore it to its original functionality?
[23:14] <Sveta> <big sigh>
[23:14] <daftykins> o0
 demophobia: what are the symptoms?
 Sveta, frequently click-dragging (highlighting?) when i'm trying only to move the cursor with my finger
[23:16] <Sveta> Tempting to send them off to #ubuntu-touch so have someone assist them with calibrating screen sensitivity settings.
[23:16] <Sveta> Ah, crap.
[23:17] <daftykins> screens aren't touchpads
[23:33] <TJ-> Here's something I think is of interest - a replacement for bloated UEFI using the Linux kernel: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15579592
[23:42] <daftykins> yep, everything is broken


[12:42] <jelmer> cjwatson: yep
[16:29] <xnox> cjwatson, wgrant is there anything that could be done about https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1727496 ? it hinders us processing ibm-java80 updates in a timely manner, and requires a bit of manual tracking of "upload ibm-java80, yet update ibm-java71 bugs"
[16:29] <mup> Bug #1727496: can't reassign bug to ibm-java80 package <Launchpad itself:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1727496>
[16:39] <cjwatson> xnox: It's probably a regression from http://blog.launchpad.net/beta/beta-test-new-package-picker, but you should be able to work around it using the API
[16:39] <xnox> cjwatson, ooooh, interesting. I will try the API thanks!
[16:40] <xnox> if i can reassign it once these bugs come in, it should then continue to work fine for everybody else.
[16:40] <xnox> *via the API
[16:41] <cjwatson> I see no reason why you should believe that
[16:42] <cjwatson> Its publication status won't change by you reassigning some bugs to it, so I wouldn't expect the picker's behaviour to change
[16:51] <xnox> cjwatson, right, but people can find the bug report under the right name; and it will be assigned to the right package name; and nobody will get confused anymore
[16:51] <xnox> cjwatson, unless i go and break the bug via manipulation of the bug tasks, that is =/
[16:51] <xnox> cjwatson, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-z-systems/+bug/1775641 no longer loads via webui
[16:51] <mup> Bug #1775641: [Comm] IBM JDK <IP_ADDRESS> integration into Ubuntu <architecture-s39064> <bugnameltc-168695> <severity-high> <targetmilestone-inin---> <Ubuntu on IBM z Systems:In Progress by ubuntu-archive> <ibm-java80 (Ubuntu):New for sil2100> <ibm-java80 (Ubuntu Xenial):Fix Committed> <ibm-java80
[16:51] <mup> (Ubuntu Bionic):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1775641>
[17:03] <cjwatson> works for me but presumably after you deleted some tasks
[17:04] <cjwatson> xnox: can you leave it alone for a bit and I'll see if I can get them in place?  I think you must have broken conjoined tasks
[17:04] <xnox> cjwatson, yes, i've deleted all the tasks, and readded ubuntu-z-systems project task, and saved everything.
[17:04] <xnox> there were duplicate tasks/targets, multiple.
[17:05] <xnox> it loads now.
[17:05] <xnox> (and saved all the tasks & bug, after deleting all the duplicate tasks)
[17:07] <cjwatson> in oopsing state again, debugging
[17:07] <cjwatson> ah, hmm - sort of the same bug, because it can't initialise the edit form
[17:09] <xnox> 😔 i shall hang my head in shame for totally breaking it now
[17:09] <cjwatson> that is quite adjectival
[17:09] <xnox> protip since forever - try thing on staging first...
[17:11] <cjwatson> shall I put back the ibm-java71 tasks for now?
[17:11] <cjwatson> this is going to need some work on the webapp
[17:11] <xnox> yes please
[17:12] <xnox> if they will still load.
[17:14] <cjwatson> xnox: done; you'll need to put back the status of the ubuntu-z-systems task (I think it was In Progress / Medium)
[17:15] <cjwatson> and assigned to ~ubuntu-archive
[17:15] <xnox> tah