[01:01] <darkxst> jbicha, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1058845
[01:03] <darkxst> also log out (with autologin enabled ) is basically broken now
[01:03] <darkxst> getting a random result between, autologin, going to gdm and crashing
[01:03] <darkxst> and more often than not, logout from classic results in crashing
[01:04] <darkxst> I suppose it was working before due to one of the CK bugs
[01:05] <jbicha> I wonder who besides Debian & Ubuntu uses gdm on consolekit
[01:06] <darkxst> arch might by default
[01:07] <darkxst> although I think all other distros are planning to switch to systemd if they havent already
[01:07] <jbicha> arch is moving to systemd soonish, despite the complaining
[01:08] <jbicha> if we had a gnome theme for lightdm and if it wasn't for the annoyingly-close integration between gnome-shell & gdm this cycle, we'd be using lightdm
[01:08] <jbicha> it's better supported on Ubuntu
[01:11] <jbicha> I've had a few times where I couldn't even get sudo service gdm stop; sudo service gdm start to get the login screen back :(
[01:11] <darkxst> I havent had that, but I do get a race condition sometimes with, sudo service restart gdm
[01:12] <darkxst> the new gdm comes up before the old one closes down
[01:12] <jbicha> yeah, that's why I split the command in two
[02:10] <darkxst> https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-shell/+bug/1058859
[04:33] <everaldo> jbicha, awake?
[04:34] <jbicha> everaldo: yes
[04:34] <everaldo> jbicha, we need to update ubuntu-gnome-meta, but I did not understand exactly how
[04:35] <jbicha> I'm already doing it, but this is how it works:
[04:35] <jbicha> you first have to update https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-gnome.quantal
[04:36] <jbicha> and then run ./update in https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-dev/+junk/ubuntu-gnome-meta
[04:37] <jbicha> if it's a brand new package like this time, you have to wait until the package gets published or else ./update won't add it
[04:37] <everaldo> right, thank you for explanation, I see you already did it but
[04:38] <everaldo> when I try to branch https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-gnome.quantal
[04:38] <everaldo> I got some problems
[04:38] <everaldo> let me try to reproduce so next time I can do it
[04:39] <everaldo> bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-gnome-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-gnome.quantal - works ok
[04:40] <everaldo> then I try bzr push lp:~ecanuto/ubuntu/quantal/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-gnome.quantal
[04:41] <everaldo> and looks like it works this time :)
[04:41] <everaldo> strange
[04:41] <everaldo> last time I got some errors
[04:42] <jbicha> LP was acting up this morning (like 16 hours ago) for me
[04:42] <everaldo> jbicha, ah, I know now
[04:42] <everaldo> when I make this branches I don't have "Propose for merging" option on lauchpad
[04:43] <jbicha> I think you want to push to lp:~ecanuto/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-gnome.quantal instead
[04:45] <everaldo> yes, thanks... now I have it :)
[04:45] <everaldo> I think I must learn a little more about this "namespaces"
[04:47] <jbicha> um, I don't know if it's really explained anywhere
[04:47] <jbicha> but the first part after the first / is the project name
[04:48] <jbicha> which is ubuntu if it's a ubuntu-package but it could be something different
[04:48] <jbicha> if a project hasn't been registered you can use +junk (like our iso-build-script branch)
[04:49] <jbicha> see, here's the project page: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-seeds
[04:49] <everaldo> oh, I see it
[04:49] <everaldo> and ~ubuntu-gnome-dev, is it a user?
[04:50] <jbicha> well in this case, it's a team, but same idea
[04:50] <everaldo> so, it the future I must create my branch and merge it or I can commit direct to ~ubuntu-gnome-dev?
[04:51] <jbicha> you have to do a merge proposal
[04:51] <everaldo> understand now
[04:53] <jbicha> that team is basically reserved for Ubuntu Developers, since it controls our seed and build script, but you're welcome to propose merges
[04:53] <everaldo> very cleaver this merges proposal
[04:53] <everaldo> look like github
[04:53] <everaldo> s/look/looks/
[04:54] <everaldo> about iso creation, I saw some place (don't found it now) that Ubuntu is now using live-builds
[04:55] <everaldo> but we have for ubuntu-gnome a script that build iso
[04:55] <everaldo> do you know how other teams build isos?
[04:56] <jbicha> the official flavors all use Ubuntu's build system, that system isn't fully public or documented but it's becoming more open
[04:56] <jbicha> but you don't have to do the entire live-build process to make an iso
[04:57] <jbicha> our script uses a regular Ubuntu iso to provide most of the pieces like wubi and the bootloader
[04:58] <everaldo> yes, I see it
[04:58] <everaldo> just curious about the way used by official flavors
[04:58] <jbicha> we create a minimal Ubuntu environment and add ubuntu-gnome-desktop and the installer pieces and then create the squashfs
[04:59] <jbicha> the squashfs is the compressed image for the live environment and it's copied to disk during install instead of installing the 1000 or more packages individually
[05:00] <everaldo> humm, that explain why installation is so fast
[05:00] <jbicha> there's some other ways of making Ubuntu flavor disks but this way seemed the best
[05:01]  * everaldo reading https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomizationFromScratch
[05:01] <jbicha> it took me the summer to figure it out, the script I got was from the Ubuntu GNOME Shell Remix
[05:02] <everaldo> normally here I take on iso as basis and then I customize with packages that I use
[05:02] <everaldo> so next time I install it comes with my packages
[05:02] <everaldo> but I use my "ubuntomize" script :-)
[05:02] <everaldo> jbicha, I don't know if you are right person but I see one problem on all flavors
[05:03] <everaldo> some years ago when ubuntu was in alpha and beta it comes with xterm and xdiagnose
[05:03] <jbicha> oh, that problem...
[05:03] <everaldo> and it is aways removed from final version
[05:03] <everaldo> but last two versions comes with this tools even on final version
[05:04] <everaldo> I know it is not a big deal but
[05:04] <jbicha> bug 129041
[05:06] <jbicha> those tools have been in Ubuntu for a long time, I think I was told that xterm and xdiagnose are needed for the failsafe mode when X won't start
[05:06] <everaldo> so the idea is to remove the icon?
[05:07] <everaldo> it looks ok
[05:07] <jbicha> that's what I woud like
[05:07] <everaldo> when "normal" users see the ugly icons they are just scared
[05:08] <everaldo> the same for imagemagic, mc and java packages
[05:08] <everaldo> I always had imagemagic instaled as dependency of gimp and inkscape
[05:08] <everaldo> but it never comes with the "ugly wizard icon"
[05:09] <everaldo> but last release start to comes with this ugly icon
[05:09] <everaldo> jbicha, what is better place to post this bug report?
[05:11] <jbicha> you need to get someone else's attention, I tried following up on that bug but the developers who added the icons back didn't seem to see the problem
[05:11] <jbicha> I added a design task so maybe the designers will make a decision
[05:12] <jbicha> it's too late for quantal
[05:13] <everaldo> :(
[05:13] <everaldo> so bad
[05:14] <jbicha> but...
[05:14] <jbicha> I think we can cheat for Ubuntu GNOME
[05:15] <everaldo> how?
[05:15] <jbicha> by adding those desktops to /usr/share/gnome/applications and settings nodisplay on them
[05:16] <jbicha> *setting nodisplay
[05:16] <everaldo> so, gnome use a different applications folder
[05:16] <everaldo> did not know that
[05:17] <jbicha> in fact, Xubuntu does just that, check out xubuntu-default-settings
[05:18] <everaldo> good to know
[05:19] <everaldo> jbicha, can I change ubuntu-gnome-default-settings to do the same?
[05:19] <everaldo> or is too late?
[05:20] <jbicha> no, it's not too late for us, it won't require new translations and there is no documentation that would be hurt by changing that
[05:21] <jbicha> sure, go ahead and fix it
[05:22] <everaldo> any problem if I do it also for mc and imagemagic or dont make sense as it is not included on default instalation?
[05:23] <jbicha> test it and see what happens when those apps are installed and when they aren't
[05:23] <everaldo> ok, I will do it right now
[05:23] <jbicha> I don't think we need to do that for mc though
[05:24] <jbicha> nothing depends on mc, and byobu is a similar terminal app with its out .desktop
[05:24] <jbicha> *its own .desktop
[05:25] <everaldo> yes, and not everybody uses mc, a end user will never install it
[05:25] <everaldo> also imagemagik is used by "ooo-thumbnailer"
[05:26] <everaldo> let me just remove xterm's
[05:26] <everaldo> and for others that I don't like I will create a "everaldo-settings" on my ppa :)
[05:27] <jbicha> hiding imagemagick might be useful too
[05:28] <everaldo> yes, but I see now  that most packages depend on imagemagic-common
[05:28] <everaldo> the exception is ooo-thumbnailer
[05:28] <everaldo> I will fill a bug report to change ooo-thumbnailer
[05:29] <everaldo> so the "imagemagic" without "common" will never be installed
[05:30] <jbicha> what do you mean? does anybody actually use imagemagick from a gui directly?
[05:30] <everaldo> yes
[05:30] <everaldo> the imagemagic package just install and desktop icon with a ugly gui tool to convert images
[05:31] <jbicha> the gui looks useless, let's hide it
[05:31] <everaldo> ok
[13:44] <smartboyhw> Hi jbicha
[14:03] <jbicha> smartboyhw: hi
[14:06] <jbicha> everaldo: I think Unity would use the gnome-menus blacklist too if it were enabled so I don't think we want to mess with that
[14:06] <jbicha> we just want to copy what xubuntu-default-settings does
[14:07] <jbicha> also your merge request includes a bunch of plymouth stuff, you probably want to start over from what is actually at ubuntu:ubuntu-gnome-default-settings
[16:12] <jbicha_> ricotz: hey, I was working on ibus today
[16:13] <jbicha_> what do you think about a gnome3 testing PPA, that way more than one person can push to it?
[17:21] <jbicha_> oh, that's cute, unity won't start with the new ibus
[17:24] <jbicha_> maybe I just need to rebuild nux
[17:43] <everaldo> jbicha_, hey
[17:44] <everaldo> jbicha_, the gnome-menus blacklist is not used anymore, the gnome-menus-blacklist utility is not calling on gnome-menus postinst
[17:47] <jbicha_> ok, rebuilding nux worked but maintaining nux in a ppa is going to be a headache
[17:48] <everaldo> jbicha_, about default-setting, how I can start again, remerge and then apply setting?
[17:48] <jbicha_> everaldo: right, and we shouldn't enable it without knowing why it's been disabled in Ubuntu
[17:48] <jbicha_> just bzr branch into a new directory
[17:50] <everaldo> ok, let me fix this first then I will explain the blacklist because I am prety confident that it is the right way for blacklist
[17:51] <jbicha_> but I'm pretty confident that will affect Unity as well
[17:51] <everaldo> jbicha_, ok, then is better I check it again
[17:51] <everaldo> jbicha_, do you know that I havent included xterm and uxterm in blacklist, it is already there since long time?
[17:52] <everaldo> they just stop to call gnome-menus-blacklist
[17:52] <everaldo> and I made the ubuntu-gnome-default settings call it
[17:52] <jbicha_> yes, xterm and uxterm have been installed in Debian & Ubuntu for a long time by default but they've been kept hidden until a recent Ubuntu change
[17:53] <jbicha_> we don't need to use gnome-menus-blacklist, the xubuntu approach will work too
[17:54] <everaldo> ok
[17:56] <everaldo> xubuntu aproach did not work for me but let me fix the merge then we can back to it
[17:57] <everaldo> oh, I see you comments on bug, hard discussion
[17:57] <everaldo> (xterm, uxterm)
[17:58] <jbicha_> the guy has been maintaining xterm for 16 years, he's got a lot invested in it and wants to see it used more
[17:58] <jbicha_> he also commented on the Debian bug
[18:00] <everaldo> understand him but everybody must move on
[18:01] <everaldo> about my first merge, I see that the "Plymouth theme added" is a already included but " Plymouth background color changed to #133773" not
[18:01] <everaldo> is it normal?
[18:01] <everaldo> approve one patch but not other?
[18:03] <jbicha_> I tweaked the changelog, did everything else get merged though?
[18:03] <everaldo> let me see
[18:05] <everaldo> ah, so you merge it in only one revision
[18:05] <everaldo> understand now :-)
[18:06] <everaldo> so now I can delete the branch or do I need to keep it?
[18:08] <jbicha_> I don't think there's a need to keep it
[18:12] <everaldo> ok, let me restart and test how it affect unity
[18:19] <everaldo> ok, /etc/gnome/menus.blacklist don't affect unity
[18:19] <everaldo> but when we run gnome-menus-blacklist it move some entries to "/usr/share/gnome/applications"
[18:19] <everaldo> and it also affects unity
[18:20] <everaldo> so, put files on /usr/share/gnome/applications or run gnome-menus-blacklist have same effect
[18:21] <everaldo> so, no different from xubuntu but using a different approach
[18:22] <jbicha_> everaldo: interesting
[18:22] <everaldo> the package gnome-menus still have gnome-menus-blacklist utility but now it is not calling in postinst probably to keep icons on unity on default installation
[18:22] <jbicha_> but at this point in the release cycle, I'd rather only touch one package than two
[18:22] <everaldo> so, my approach just run gnome-menus-blacklist
[18:22] <everaldo> jbicha_, we dont need to touch two
[18:22] <jbicha_> as the Release Team has to manually approve each upload
[18:22] <everaldo> just gnome-settings
[18:22] <jbicha_> oh?
[18:22] <everaldo> my merge in gnome-menus is just an improvment of blacklist
[18:23] <everaldo> xterm and uxterm is already there
[18:23] <everaldo> I just added java7
[18:23] <everaldo> look at my changes on gnome-menus
[18:24] <everaldo> 131. OpenJDK 7 and IcedTea added to menus.blacklist
[18:24] <everaldo> 132. Midnight Commander and X Diagnostics added to menus.blacklist
[18:24] <everaldo> 133. dconf editor added to menus.blacklist
[18:25] <everaldo> jbicha, look at https://code.launchpad.net/~ecanuto/ubuntu/quantal/gnome-menus/gnome-menus
[18:25] <everaldo> last three revisions
[18:25] <jbicha> please don't add new changelog entries for every change unless the package is released
[18:25] <jbicha> dconf-editor is too useful to hide
[18:26] <everaldo> ok, I will make a new propose without dconf and just one changelog entry
[18:26] <jbicha> you should talk to bryceh about whether xdiagnose should be hidden or not
[18:27] <everaldo> ok I will do it
[18:27] <jbicha> anyway, we're not going to change gnome-menus at this point, we're well after UI freeze
[18:28] <everaldo> just deleted this proposal for merging
[18:28] <jbicha> you may want to talk to the Debian GNOME maintainers if you think more stuff should be added to the blacklist
[18:29]  * everaldo noting all
[18:29] <everaldo> s/noting/recording/
[18:29] <everaldo> about gnome-default-settings way to blacklist, did you now agree or still want use xubuntu approach?
[18:30] <jbicha> I don't think mc needs hidden, there's a big difference between something installed by default or very common like Java and something that needs to be explicitly installed
[18:31] <everaldo> ok, I will just leave this gnome-menus changes and discuss it in Debian GNOME maintainers
[18:32] <jbicha> I don't want to hide all that KDE stuff, my wife plays some of the KDE games for instance
[18:32] <jbicha> while she uses Unity, she wouldn't be happy if her games were missing just because I encouraged her to try GNOME Shell
[18:33] <jbicha> the xubuntu approach allows us to be more selective about the 2 or 3 things we don't want to see by default
[18:33] <everaldo> ok let me do it
[18:34] <everaldo> jbicha, which application, only xterm and uxterm or also java stuff?
[18:36] <jbicha> I'd like to hide xterm, uxterm, and imagemagick; I don't really use java any more so I don't know how useful the java settings thing is
[18:39] <everaldo> ok
[19:59] <everaldo> jbicha, ok, just propose the merge, tested here and it works
[20:00] <everaldo> on xubuntu add NoDisplay=true is enought
[20:01] <everaldo> but for gnome we need also to add also Exec and Type to desktop file
[20:20] <darkxst> NoDisplay should be enought
[20:20] <darkxst> unless we accidently imported the debian path
[20:20] <darkxst> s/path/patch/
[20:30] <jbicha> everaldo: I don't have ooo-thumbnailer installed but I still have the imagemagick icon
[20:36] <everaldo> darkxst, NoDisplay isant work
[20:36] <everaldo> but I don't know why
[20:36] <everaldo> darkxst, what is this debian patch?
[20:37] <everaldo> jbicha, that is because you installed imagemagic, now most packages depends on imagemagic-common
[20:37] <everaldo> the imagemagic only add the icon
[20:40] <darkxst> everaldo, there was a debian patch that disables noDisplay
[20:41] <jbicha> everaldo: ah, it looks like I have it because of shutter, not inkscape
[20:42] <darkxst> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=658176
[20:42] <darkxst> jbicha, we should drop that patch
[20:52] <everaldo> jbicha, do you want it also removed?
[20:55] <everaldo> so bad, lots of programs depends on imagemagic
[20:55] <everaldo> I will hide it
[21:00] <jbicha> yeah, http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/imagemagick/filelist
[21:01] <jbicha> darkxst: I don't the fix for that bug is causing problems
[21:03] <darkxst> jbicha, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=658176#c13
[21:03] <darkxst> see comment #13
[21:03] <darkxst> that is the patch we should drop
[21:06] <darkxst> debian don't even have that one anymore
[21:09] <jbicha> darkxst: we comment that patch out
[21:09] <darkxst> ah, ok
[21:10] <darkxst> I should have checked series ;)
[21:11] <jbicha> np, I commented out the disable-nm patch because it's likely to come back but the last I heard Debian might even be dropping that after Wheezy
[21:12] <everaldo> jbicha, I added imagemagik hide but it is not on merge proposal, do I need to wait or propose again?
[21:13] <jbicha> everaldo: just go ahead and push again, lp will update the merge proposal
[21:14] <everaldo> ok, thanks
[21:17] <darkxst> jbicha, that should be fine, as long as we have a dep against nm
[21:20] <jbicha> yeah, it's not a problem for Ubuntu but it is an issue for non-Linux architectures
[21:27] <everaldo> humm, just see that I added changelog entry, forget recomendation :(
[21:59] <everaldo> time for dinner, be back later


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[09:32] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[09:33] <superfly> morning Kilos!
[09:33] <nlsthzn> o/ to all in ZA land :)
[09:33] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[09:34] <nlsthzn> Hello uncle Kilos :)
[09:34] <nlsthzn> All well?
[09:34] <Kilos> yeah ty and there nlsthzn
[09:34] <nlsthzn> OK... same old same old...
[09:34] <Kilos> here is a all well add for you
[09:35] <Kilos> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVTTE90g78Y
[09:36] <nlsthzn> @work so no good, but thanks :)
[09:36] <Kilos> aw sorry nlsthzn
[09:38] <nlsthzn> no worries :)
[09:49] <Kilos> zeref, did you win??
[09:49] <Kilos> and you JabberwockyA19
[09:50] <JabberwockyA19> good morning Kilos, no I just used a pci network card
[09:51] <Kilos> ah
[09:51] <JabberwockyA19> I've got two of those motherboards, the only OS I've gotten the network cards to work was, ironically, in windows vista
[09:54] <Kilos> eish
[09:55] <Kilos> have you tried the manufacturers for more info
[09:55] <Kilos> then lotsa googling
[10:06] <Kilos> google setting up that card in linux
[10:07] <Kilos> if redhat or mint or so go drivers then use alien to convert to .deb
[10:11] <JabberwockyA19> hehe there's no hope for that board unless I reverse eng. it
[10:13] <Kilos> well if you can do that it will keep you outa trouble for a while
[10:15] <Kilos> oh
[10:15] <Kilos> im thinking of the wrong guy now
[10:16] <Kilos> someone battled with a modem. and i membered after a few days i had to use ozerocdof to get mine working
[10:17] <Kilos> ozerocdoff
[10:52] <zeref> hurrrrmmmmm
[10:52] <zeref>  Kilos> zeref, did you win??
[10:52] <zeref> yebo
[10:52] <Kilos> lol
[10:52] <Kilos> great, what was the prob
[10:53] <zeref> i had to change the tranparency in the panel
[10:53] <zeref> to opague
[10:53] <zeref> BOOM
[10:53] <Kilos> wow
[10:53] <Kilos> was it an update that changed it
[10:54] <Kilos> i was working before
[10:54] <Kilos> it
[10:54] <zeref> nah, i read the bug report on the freeze problem
[10:54] <zeref> okes said that the wnck was the prob
[10:54] <zeref> mem leak
[10:54] <Kilos> ah an actual bug
[10:55] <Kilos> eish
[10:55] <Kilos> glad you fixed it
[10:55] <Kilos> well done
[10:55] <zeref> ;-D
[10:55] <zeref> wasa going to upgrade to 10.10
[10:56] <Kilos> you can do that safely i am sure
[10:56] <Kilos> i found 10.10 just that bit better
[10:56] <zeref> yeah, but since prob is fixed, i'll wait to 12.04
[10:56] <Kilos> lol
[10:56] <Kilos> then gnome gone
[10:56] <zeref> yeah :-(
[10:57] <zeref> i'll run 11.10 on a VM to check it out
[10:58] <zeref> sigh, need to find a job in the holi's
[11:02]  * JabberwockyA19 notices netbeans have been removed from oneiric repos
[11:03] <Kilos> thats life lad
[11:03] <zeref> nooooooo
[11:03] <JabberwockyA19> I actaully dont like the multiverse anyhow :P
[11:04] <JabberwockyA19> only brought it in last night
[11:13] <JabberwockyA19> I'm still waiting for my beta access to desura
[14:22] <Kilos> superfly, hows the grass, become lawn yet\


[13:26] <paride> Odd_Bloke, I've been able collect the logs of an i3.metal instance failing to reboot following your suggestion of attaching the volume to another instance
[13:26] <paride> Odd_Bloke, https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1841182
[13:26] <paride> there is my bug report
[13:28] <Odd_Bloke> Thanks!
[15:53] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: or rharper if you get a chance to review my SRU branches into Xenial, Bionic and Disco, landing those are the only thing blocking us from moving forward with SRU Xenial: https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/371685 Bionic: https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/371686   Disco:
[15:53] <blackboxsw> https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/371687.   The only thing unique there is my enablement of Exoscale in debian/cloud-init.templates
[15:54] <rharper> right
[16:00] <rharper> blackboxsw: I looked at xenial/bionic, both have changelog entries mentioning enabling Aliyun, which I think you meant exoscale, right ?
[16:02] <blackboxsw> rharper: grr right fixing
[16:15] <blackboxsw> git.lp is super slow again today
[16:45] <blackboxsw> rharper: all fixed bionic xenial and disco debian/changelog s/AliYun/Exoscale
[16:45] <blackboxsw> and retagged
[16:45] <rharper> ok, I'll re review
[18:17] <rharper> blackboxsw: one more fix up on the sru branches in the cloud-init.templates
[18:44] <blackboxsw> rharper: per the cloud-init.templates, there is a mix-n-match set of descriptions, some datasources say "Read from X metadata service", others say "X metadata services".
[18:44] <rharper> *shrug* ok
[18:44] <blackboxsw> shall we update them all to be the same verbiage?
[18:44] <rharper> I wouldn't risk changing them
[18:44] <rharper> I'm not sure what happens if we do; isn't this debconf input or something ?
[18:45] <blackboxsw> s/X metadata services/X metadata service/
[18:45] <blackboxsw> rharper: that particular line item is just the human readable description that you can see in the 'ncurses' TUI if running dpkg-reconfigure
[18:46] <blackboxsw> maybe it's not ncurses anymore, but whatever the TUI is
[18:46] <rharper> so, we don't have to now; but I would like a tools/add-datasource script which manipulates/renders that file
[18:46] <rharper> that way, we don't have to manually edit that file each time
[18:46] <rharper> blackboxsw: so I'll rereview and approve
[19:07] <blackboxsw> powersj: Odd_Bloke: just pushed sru templates to https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/tree/master/20190823
[19:07] <powersj> blackboxsw, thx!
[19:08] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: it's t-minus 0 mins until end of week your time, but if you end up grabbing one of the sru-related bugs listed in https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/tree/master/20190823 just let me know
[19:08]  * blackboxsw was going to try looking at one of the cloud manual scripts to see if it needs to be extended to check for a specific bug in this release.  (I imagine azure will have a bit)
[19:09] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: Ack, will check in a few minutes if I think there's something I can take care of before EO[DWM].
[19:10]  * blackboxsw queues  xenial/bionic and disco sru
[19:59] <blackboxsw> Okie dokey SRU into xenial, bionic disco approved by vorlon. so it should be built shortly
[19:59] <powersj> woohoo
[20:00] <blackboxsw> tribaal: for next week there should be cloud images with updated cloud-init 19.2.21 with exoscale enabled. If you do get a chance to peek at it on your platform, feel free to comment on the SRU bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/1841099
[20:00] <blackboxsw> ... it better be  well past tribaal's EOD
[20:02] <blackboxsw> you'll need to:    echo deb $mirror $(lsb_release -sc)-proposed main |
[20:02] <blackboxsw>        tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/proposed.list; apt-get update
[20:04] <blackboxsw>   mirror=http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[20:08] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: Cloud images won't include it until after the SRU is complete, right?  Or am I misunderstanding what you're asking tribaal to do?
[20:08] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: agreed. but <series>-proposed will have it. per my comment: echo deb $mirror $(lsb_release -sc)-proposed main |
[20:08] <blackboxsw> 14:02        tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/proposed.list; apt-get update
[20:09] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: Right, but "there should be cloud images with updated cloud-init 19.2.21 with exoscale enabled" is misleading, I think?
[20:09] <blackboxsw> tribaal: will need to add a <series-name> proposed apt-source to his instances to see and install updated cloud-init-19.2.21 and then run "sudo cloud-init clean --reboot  --logs" to exercise the updated cloud-init
[20:10] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: ahh right sorry tribaal. That is misleading. there are a couple of steps to enable that new -proposed cloud-init in the image; 1. add <series>-proposed apt source;  2. apt-get update; 3. sudo apt-get install cloud-init; 4: sudo cloud-init clean --reboot --logs;
[20:13] <blackboxsw> we run the following script on a new vm https://github.com/cloud-init/ubuntu-sru/blob/master/bugs/lp-1797480.txt#L17-L23
[20:14] <blackboxsw> followed by cloud-init clean --logs --reboot.   given that a new datasource is enabled, you might have to add  Exoscale to /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/90_dpkg.cfg
[20:14] <blackboxsw> or dpkg-reconfigure cloud-init
[20:15] <Odd_Bloke> Do we have docs on how to do this?
[20:27] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: I can add something to our SRU docs if needed, but we do have the following: https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/datasources.html?highlight=datasource_list#adding-a-new-datasource
[20:27] <blackboxsw> "Add your datasource name to the builtin list of datasources:" and "Enable datasource by default in ubuntu packaging branches:"
[20:43] <Odd_Bloke> blackboxsw: I meant specifically on how people can test cloud-init from -proposed for us.
[21:00] <blackboxsw> Odd_Bloke: I'll add a trello card, yeah we should add new section on the testing/debugging page simple on https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/debugging.html
[22:18] <blackboxsw> rharper: yeah for openstack network v2 I'll have to address network_state passthrough for v2 IBMCloud, ConfigDrive or OpenStack all use the adapted cloudinit.sources.helpers.openstack.py:convert_net_json helper to create NetworkState  instances. So, it looks like this branch will be a bit bigger :/


 Waht was the package that allowed Ubuntu's logo to show up at boot alongside the OEM?
 plymouth?
 what a beautiful site:
 Going good.  Been using home assistance in a docker container on it.
 Working good.
 Only issues is on reboot it keeps setting the date to the day I installed it.
 So I have to do a ntpdate sync towards my pfSense to get the time.  Then it works. (re @philipz: how is it going running on a RPi)
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> good morning
 It was 10:01pm for me when you sent that.... (re @ubuntutesting_bot: [irc] <lotuspsychje> good morning)
 morning here :D
 is anyone else noticing this bug with the close button:
 i'm running the cawbird snap
 I also experience this with the Firefox Snap. (re @philipz: )
 Incidentally, I don't experience it with all of them, just some of them.
 Never heard of cawbird.
 Looks cool. (re @philipz: i'm running the cawbird snap)
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> morning @troyBORG and @philipz
[09:10] <shaban238> im still getting this blank screen even though in the power manager i selected everything correctly. so after computer is idle i got a black screen and it should not
 Should the issue of ubuntu-server preinstalled server image report here?
[09:40] <shaban238> https://streamable.com/1f9k7w
[09:55] <shaban238> this are my settings: https://postimg.cc/Mcjh1Bfx
 did you file a bug for it? (re @schykle: Incidentally, I don't experience it with all of them, just some of them.)
 fork of elementary OS's abandoned twitter client called corebird (re @troyBORG: Never heard of cawbird.
 Looks cool.)
 shaban238: i'd report that upsteram with xfce https://bugzilla.xfce.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Xfce4-power-manager&component=General&resolution=---
 paste the link here when you do. attach your settings file in the bug report
[10:16] <shaban238> ok thank you
[10:47] <shaban238> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16712
 shaban238: can you attach the actual file and not the screenshot of it
[11:13] <shaban238> ok i will do that
[11:19] <shaban238> did it!
 thanks
 moving day is upon me
 Morning/afternoon everyone
 afternoon @ItzSwirlz
 Looks like there has been no daily builds for today, so keeps your eyes peeled for Focal Final testcases
 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/412/builds
 Meanwhile i'll go work on website
 Here's a sneaky peeky:
 did you also get the .com?
[14:36] <Ussat> Anyone here able to maby point out something that makes zero sence to me:  https://pastebin.com/j5i78zT7 this is a fresh install of a iso from yesterday, but I installed it on a 50GB disk, in vmware. I chose use entire disk and put in a LVM
[14:37] <RikMills> can someone hint software-properties past the crash/7.2.8-1ubuntu1 test failures, or retry the tests if it is likely to now find the missing ddebs?
[14:37] <RikMills> damn. typed in wrong chat^ sorry
 XD
 All good @RikMills
[14:39] <RikMills> ubuntu-quality and ubuntu-release IRC channels are right next to each other on my client :P
 Don't forget -release-party I'm sure that has never been done by anyone either. :D
[14:45] <RikMills> I don't join there until a release is imminent!
 we have .org-i'm not sure if .com will be important but we will see (re @philipz: did you also get the .com?)
 better to have both, to keep squaters away
 yeah i read it (re @philipz: better to have both, to keep squaters away)
 dont worry, dming the person who owns the domain
 do i have to worry about a .net squatter?
 or will .com be enough
 I would worry about .* squatter. You probably want all the things just to be safe.
 .com and .org minimum should be fine
 Yeah, focus on the mainstream stuff first.
 .com is most important
 strange, as godaddy says the .com is available
 you sure? (re @ItzSwirlz: dont worry, dming the person who owns the domain)
 ? yeah (re @philipz: you sure?)
 if we can try to get it minus well
 asking if you are sure its already registered, as godaddy has it as available
[18:50] <shaban238> Eickmeyer can i please ask you smth?
 i'll try to help shaban238 if i can
[18:53] <shaban238> thank you :)
[18:54] <shaban238> there is an option in realtimequickscan to add the soundcard to be checked also. in the help file it says that you need to find the IRQ in proc/interupts and than do export SOUND_CARD_IRQ={IRQ #} in the same terminal window. i did that and im getting Checking for devices at IRQ {IRQ #32}... did not find any. not ok.
 oh that's above my knowledge. sorry.
[18:55] <shaban238> no worries
 @RikMills, @kc2bez: you guys have any input for our tester
 not a clue :P
 Sorry, I don't know either.
 a heads up to all the flavors, i'll be putting out a call for testers tomorrow, to give one last push for testing before the release.
[18:59] <shaban238> :)
 are all the isos for final being uploaded at the same time
[20:10] <Eickmeyer> shaban238: So, that's a support question, and this isn't exactly a support chat. I'm pretty confident OvenWerks in #ubuntustudio would know what to do there, I have no clue. For some reason, all of my hardware Just Works™.
[20:10] <shaban238> ok thnks anyway
[20:12] <Eickmeyer> shaban238: Also, realtimeconfigquickscan isn't the be-all/end-all, it's just a few "pointers" to get you to a more-optimized configuration, but it is 100% dependent on the hardware, OS, and tools available. Sometimes it returns false positives, too.
[20:13] <Eickmeyer> Kinda like the audio engineering mantra: Mix with your ears, not with your eyes. :)
[20:13] <shaban238> yes i remember you told me that. i managed to have all good btw and im not getting any xruns so its good to go :D
[20:13] <Eickmeyer> Sweet. :(
[20:13] <Eickmeyer> s/:(/:)
[22:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Netboot amd64 [Focal Final] (20101020ubuntu613) has been added
[22:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Netboot armhf [Focal Final] (20101020ubuntu613) has been added
[22:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Netboot s390x [Focal Final] (20101020ubuntu613) has been added
[22:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Netboot arm64 [Focal Final] (20101020ubuntu613) has been added
[22:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-quality- Builds: Netboot ppc64el [Focal Final] (20101020ubuntu613) has been added
 We got netboot!

[22:45] <Eickmeyer> RCs are slowly pouring in.
 currently testing netboot amd64 in vm
 iso is still wrong but I went to the mirror, grabbed latest (apr 16)
 the latest update was apr 18 tho, but i can't figure out how to update it
[23:27] <Eickmeyer> @ItzSwirlz: The netboot's date will always be wrong. It has something to do with when the first netboot was created, and that it is manually built as opposed to built daily.
 checking out @bashfulrobot on DLN - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB2BazvTDk4
 Is it a bug when after using netboot to install ubuntu desktop (all, first two options not minimal), the wallpaper isn't set
 the warty-final-ubuntu.png hasn't been placed
 file as a bug?
[23:53] <Eickmeyer> @ItzSwirlz Does the file exist at all in the install?
 ill check-i saw when looking at the backgrounds i saw the focal image
[23:54] <Eickmeyer> Ok. the warty-final-ubuntu.png should be a symlink to whatever the name of the default wallpaper is.
[23:55] <Eickmeyer> If it's not there, then there might be a bug in ubuntu-settings.
[23:57] <Eickmeyer> actually, the bug would be in ubuntu-wallpapers.
 It’s there
[23:57] <Eickmeyer> Is it symlinking then?
 No, the dconf is correct
 But the wallpaper isn’t changing
 Actually
 It’s not even able to change
 Or be enabled


[00:02] <kklimonda> hmm.. So I've just noticed that Evolution has a new "default" signature - Sent from Ubuntu..
[00:02] <kklimonda> bah, free advert is the best advert ;)
[00:03] <nigelb> kklimonda: oh, I like that
[00:05] <svu> kklimonda, yes
[00:05] <svu> just apt-get dist-upgraded
[00:06] <kklimonda> svu: do you have empathy installed?
[00:07] <svu> kklimonda, yes
[00:07] <kklimonda> there is a bug 621507 reported about this issue but it was supposed to be fixed
[00:07] <svu> oops. may be not
[00:07] <svu> damn
[00:09] <svu> kklimonda, installed epiphany. still no luck
[00:09] <svu> empathy
[00:29] <CarlFK> fresh 10.10 install, dist-upgrade, hit a web page that wants flash, used the 'missing plug-in' thing to install whatever the top/default one is (I think it is the nonfree one)  the "applying changes" dialog seems to have gone out to lunch.  I can't move it, and dragging a term window over it leaves term window traces
[00:29] <CarlFK> ah, I see why
[00:29] <CarlFK> the "done' dialog came up behind it
[00:41] <RPG-Master> Is 10.10 going to have Firefox 4.0?
[00:41] <Daekdroom> RPG-Master, It's too late for that
[00:42] <RPG-Master> Daekdroom: Crap. I figured... :/
[00:42] <RPG-Master> Was just curious.
[00:42] <Daekdroom> RPG-Master, tomorrow is the final freeze.
[00:43] <RPG-Master> Daekdroom: And Firefox is still beta :(
[00:43] <Daekdroom> We shouldn't expect any API/ABI/bin updates after then
[00:43] <Daekdroom> Precisely.
[00:44] <RPG-Master> Watch FF 4 be released the same week.
[00:46] <SoulShadow> quick question: how crashy is 10.10?
[00:48] <yofel> depends on what you're using, KDE and the other apps I'm using are prefectly stable here
[00:49] <Aphex> its not
[00:49] <Aphex> not had a crash yet
[00:49] <Aphex> if you gonna do a full reinstall then wait 2-3 weeks til its officially released imo
[00:49] <Aphex> my only prob is i cant get ubuntu one to work on it yet
[00:50] <Aphex> only want it so my daughter can use the music store
[00:50] <SoulShadow> i have it running in a VM right now
[00:51] <Aphex> 10.10?
[00:51] <SoulShadow> since it's currently not feasible for me to be dualbooting between OS's i'm just running it inside vmware workstation
[00:51] <SoulShadow> yeah
[00:51] <SoulShadow> it's updating atm
[00:51] <yofel> hey, 64bit flash is back :D
[00:52] <Aphex> I have xp on this one but can't remember the last time time I booted it
[00:52] <SoulShadow> haha
[00:52] <SoulShadow> my i7 loves VM's :D
[00:52] <SoulShadow> just..it doesn't love the memory usage :p
[00:53] <Aphex> I found out years ago that I could easily live without all the windows only bits
[00:53] <SoulShadow> i like to game
[00:53] <SoulShadow> and other things
[00:53] <SoulShadow> i'm far too used to windows to switch completely
[00:54] <Aphex> I play a bit of wow and thats it
[00:54] <SoulShadow> wow bores me
[00:55] <nemo> yay!
[00:55] <Aphex> used to enjoy it but they made it too easy to help the casuals
[00:55] <nemo> 64 bit flash for linux again!
[00:55] <nemo> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/
[00:55] <Aphex> I have quit til new expansion
[00:55] <nemo> "64-bit support — Native support for 64-bit operating systems and 64-bit web browsers on Linux, Mac OS, and Windows."
[00:55] <Aphex> ooh nice
[00:55] <nemo> Does that mean Maverick reenables it?
[00:55]  * yofel just said that and got ignored :(
[00:55] <nemo> I'd so far skipped on using the wrapped version
[00:55] <SoulShadow> yofel :(
[00:55] <nemo> yofel: heh. you weren't excited enough?
[00:55] <yofel> probably :D
[00:56] <nemo> Hm.
[00:56] <nemo> I was going to install the 32 bit one
[00:56] <nemo> I guess I could install the 64 bit one in ~/.mozilla/plugins
[00:56] <yofel> works fine so far in firefox 3.6
[00:56] <nemo> then remove it once it is available
[00:56] <nemo> yofel: install FF4 man! it is all kinds of fun!
[00:56] <yofel> that's what I did
[00:56] <SoulShadow> ehh
[00:56] <SoulShadow> i dislike FF4
[00:56] <nemo> why??
[00:56] <yofel> nemo: I have it installed, but it doesn't support all the addons I'm used to yet :P
[00:56] <SoulShadow> it's just..weird
[00:57] <nemo> ah
[00:57] <Aphex> whats 64 bit like these days?
[00:57] <nemo> yofel: addons are an issue - but I only care about noscript and firebug
[00:57] <nemo> and those 2 are supported
[00:57] <nemo> SoulShadow: that's vague :-p
[00:57] <SoulShadow> dunno, i can't compile android with 64bit, so i can't  use it
[00:57] <Aphex> I was too scared to take the 64 bit option last install so went x86
[00:58] <Aphex> only just come back to ubuntu as the wife moaned too much about slackware
[00:58] <SoulShadow> gotta love when it sais 9 installed are no longer supported
[00:59] <SoulShadow> and so starts the upgrade :D
[00:59] <nemo> Aphex: heh. slack and gentoo ain't bad, but ubuntu has grown on me
[00:59] <nemo> so much stuff just works, yet I usually can still customise and build what I want
[00:59] <nemo> plus it has style
[00:59] <yofel> heh, well, it works fine here, except for minor annoyances like flash and I would image that wine could cause issues, but for what I need 64bit works fine. it's lost a bit of importance since we got the -PAE kernel though
[00:59] <Aphex> between you and me im glad to be back on ubuntu
[00:59] <Aphex> just dont tell the wife :-p
[01:00] <yofel> WB! :D
[01:00] <SoulShadow> god
[01:00] <nemo> Aphex: gentoo has been relegated to the servers at my home - well, the servers and my P133 notebook
[01:00] <nemo> Aphex: w/ a whopping 96MiB of ram :)
[01:00] <SoulShadow> i just booted my XP VM
[01:00] <SoulShadow> lmao
[01:00] <nemo> Aphex: that one runs a severely stripped down gentoo w/ xfce4 for the desktop
[01:00] <SoulShadow> i kinda like XFCE
[01:00] <nemo> Aphex: after ssh + nfs + xfce4 + seamonkey, I have about 15MiB left for use :)
[01:01] <nemo> w/o using swap! \o/
[01:01] <SoulShadow> i don't think my computer is happy
[01:01] <SoulShadow> with my vm ram usage
[01:01] <SoulShadow> 73% lol
[01:01] <Aphex> lol
[01:02] <SoulShadow> surprise: chrome is using 600MB
[01:02] <Aphex> still haven't tried chrome
[01:02] <SoulShadow> i love chrome
[01:02] <SoulShadow> just not the mem usage
[01:03] <Aphex> heard good and bad things and firefox does the job for me
[01:03] <nemo> Aphex: the graphics accel for FF4 does awesome stuff on my machine.
[01:03] <nemo> well. most of 'em.
[01:03] <nemo> one it does not work on at all :-/
[01:03] <nemo> hopefully they'll get that fixed
[01:03] <SoulShadow> why's paste not working
[01:04] <SoulShadow> i can't paste between host and VM ><
[01:04] <nemo> SoulShadow: virtualbox?
[01:04] <SoulShadow> vmware
[01:04] <nemo> oh
[01:04] <nemo> bleah
[01:04] <Aphex> didn't even realise ff4 was out
[01:04]  * nemo ♥ virtualbox
[01:04] <nemo> Aphex: still beta
[01:06]  * SoulShadow murders his xp vm
[01:06] <h00k> So, does sun-java6 not appear in the 'Partner' repo anymore?
[01:08] <kklimonda> it's not uploaded yet
[01:08] <SoulShadow> does mint menu work?
[01:08] <SoulShadow> in 10.10
[01:10] <h00k> So...I have to wait, 'eh?
[01:10] <kklimonda> or use package from 10.04
[01:10] <h00k> SoulShadow: You'd have to check with Mint support
[01:10] <h00k> !mint
[01:11]  * SoulShadow eyerolls
[01:11] <SoulShadow> it's a package
[01:11] <SoulShadow> available to install for any debian-based distribution
[01:11] <jbroome> it's also not supported here.
[01:11] <SoulShadow> okay, i just asked if anyone had it working, was all
[01:11] <h00k> I suppose ask the package maintainer
[01:11]  * h00k shrugs
[01:11] <SoulShadow> meh it's a vm, i'll give it a shot
[01:17] <nemo> now if only I could get sound to work on my new 10.10 install
[01:17] <nemo> I'd be happy
[01:17] <nemo> kklimonda says it is 'cause the alsa kernel module is still not available for my version of kernel
[01:17] <Aphex> had that on my mums pc nemo
[01:17] <nemo> I checked on boot, it seems the version in synaptic is exactly between the two kernel versions I have available
[01:17] <Aphex> just ran sound test and somehow it fixed it
[01:18] <nemo> hm
[01:18] <nemo> I tried that
[01:21] <kklimonda> nemo: nah, I'm saying that alsa in 10.10 may be too old to properly support your hardware.
[01:21] <nemo> oh :(
[01:21] <nemo> kklimonda: I've been waiting hoping for that backports version to update
[01:22] <kklimonda> nemo: you can, in the meantime, test ~ubuntu-audio-dev ppa
[01:22] <nemo> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 05)
[01:23] <Aphex> nemo have you got the nightly repositories?
[01:23] <kklimonda> I'm not familiar with sound at all - all I can help with is give you some more options to check.
[01:23] <nemo> Aphex: no? :)
[01:23] <nemo> Aphex: just tell me what to do and I shall do it!
[01:24] <nemo> first thing being to add ubuntu-audo-dev ppa
[01:24] <nemo> righto
[01:24] <Ian_corne> no more sun-java6?
[01:24] <Ian_corne> Package sun-java6-jdk is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[01:24] <Ian_corne> However the following packages replace it: sun-java6-demo
[01:25] <Ian_corne> I've got partner repo's enabled
[01:25] <Aphex> ttp://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntuone/nightlies/ubuntu.
[01:25] <Aphex> oops wrong one
[01:25] <Aphex> brb
[01:27] <yofel> Ian_corne: not there for mav yet
[01:27] <Ian_corne> ok, *sad panda*
[01:27] <Ian_corne> Guess openjdk will have to do for minecraft :)
[01:28] <nemo> fingerprint gui is awesome
[01:28] <nemo> that guy rocks for having created that
[01:28] <Vi0L0> hi, can somebody please give me a link to catalyst (fglrx) 10.10 beta for ubuntu 10.10? It should be called fglrx-installer i gues...
[01:31] <nemo> kklimonda: you know, I was watching startup this time...
[01:31] <nemo> aaaand, just occurred to me my lack of sound could be related to the kernel oops on startup :-/
[01:33] <Aphex> probably is
[01:34] <nemo> hm. now where would that terminal spam on startup be kept
[01:34] <kklimonda> nemo: you can use dmesg to get the log from startup where oops should be located
[01:34] <nemo> 'cause I'm not finding it in dmesg or syslog
[01:34] <nemo> kklimonda: no oops :)
[01:34] <nemo> oh
[01:34] <nemo> just doesn't *say* oops
[01:34] <nemo> says "Oops"
[01:34] <nemo> and I fail at case insensitive
[01:38] <nemo> http://m8y.org/tmp/dmesg.txt if anyone cares to speculate on the error, my attempts at searching for a matching call trace are so far fruitless.
[01:41] <nemo> er. that should have gone into channel
[01:41] <nemo> bug #632430 in launchpad seems same
[01:41] <nemo> similar laptop model to mine
[01:44] <kklimonda> looks the same
[01:47] <yofel> nemo: unless it's the *exact* same laptop with the same hardware, chipset and firmware versions, file a new bug
[01:47] <yofel> kernel team policy
[01:47] <nemo> yofel: hardware seems identical, laptop is very close
[01:48] <charlie-tca> Isn't the trace towards the bottom of dmesg, [   11.851246] Call Trace:  ??
[01:49] <nemo> charlie-tca: hm?
[01:49] <nemo> charlie-tca: I did note I found it once I searched for the right thing, right? :)
[01:51] <charlie-tca> Wellll, not unless I missed it after :
 http://m8y.org/tmp/dmesg.txt if anyone cares to speculate on the error, my attempts at searching for a matching call trace are so far fruitless.
[01:52] <charlie-tca> seems identical means file a new bug. If the hardware is different even by version number, it might need a different fix
[01:53] <nemo> charlie-tca: I meant a matching one on google
[01:53] <nemo> then I found one :)
[01:53] <charlie-tca> You can give the bug number in your report
[01:53] <nemo> but. fine...
[01:53] <nemo> will do that later, since I'm already running really really late on getting home
[01:53] <charlie-tca> kernel team would prefer to call it the same on their own, truth be told.
[01:54] <nemo> charlie-tca: the hardware doesn't seem different though - just the model #
[01:54] <charlie-tca> That's enough to be different
[01:54] <nemo> I expect it is identical HW in a different shell and w/ slightly tweaked something or other
[01:54] <nemo> fine w/ me
[01:54] <nemo> more bugs means more attention
[01:54] <charlie-tca> Just reference this bug for them
[01:54] <charlie-tca> They can then verify if it matches for the fix
[02:44] <Seven_Six_Two> I had both E16gnome and Ubuntu Standard Desktop (or similar) as gdm choices. For the first time, I chose E16gnome. I didn't like the window decorations. I went back to the other choice, and somehow got the same grey decorations. I uninstalled E16, and now gnome starts without decorations at all and I have to open a terminal (metacity --replace &) but that's irritating and I had effects on (I believe). Have I misunderstood wh
[02:44] <Seven_Six_Two> at's going on?
[02:47] <Seven_Six_Two> I just reenabled effects (I forgot I just chose a different driver too...) I'll log and try again. sorry to possible have wasted time
[02:48] <trojan_spike> u can save effect settings
[02:52] <nemo> /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager
[02:52] <nemo>  /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager  is the gconf key if I understand
[02:52] <nemo> oh. he left
[02:52] <nemo> n/m
[02:58] <Kendalja> hello all
[02:59] <Kendalja> I am having problems upgrading ubuntu 10.04 to 10.10
[02:59] <Kendalja> Well I decided to update to 10.10 via Distribution Upgrade and the installer is stuck with 10 mins to go
[03:00] <Kendalja> Says installed xserver-xorg-input-mouse
[03:00] <Kendalja> and just sits there...
[03:00] <Kendalja> for about 1 hr now
[03:01] <Kendalja> any ideas?
[03:03] <Kendalja> ...
[03:04] <nemo> Kendalja: hey
[03:04] <Kendalja> hello
[03:04] <nemo> Kendalja: is there anything in details?
[03:04] <nemo> normally "stuck" means "waiting for user interaction"
[03:04] <nemo> like a config file changed
[03:04] <nemo> and they want you to approve the mods
[03:04] <Kendalja> well I cant see the bottom of the install window
[03:04] <nemo> wow.
[03:04] <nemo> your resolution is that low
[03:04] <nemo> ?
[03:04] <Kendalja> no I am on a netbook
[03:04] <nemo> alt left click on the install window
[03:04] <nigelb> err, unity?
[03:04] <nemo> to forcibly drag it up
[03:05] <Kendalja> sweet
[03:05] <trojan_spike> Kendalja, > you'd be best getting the iso onto a disk and installing.. from my disk i still had to do a partial upgrade.. So with a full upgrade it would be even dodgier..
[03:06] <Kendalja> says installing new version of config file /etc/logrotate.d/samba ...
[03:06] <Kendalja> then thats it
[03:07] <trojan_spike> not moving at all?
[03:08] <Kendalja> nopers
[03:08] <Kendalja> sucks'
[03:10] <trojan_spike> do u have any disk u can use to put the iso on?
[03:11] <Kendalja> I am getting the netbook iso now
[03:11] <Kendalja> all I have is USB stick
[03:11] <Kendalja> is that ok
[03:11] <Kendalja> ?
[03:12] <trojan_spike> yea,, u can get a usb creator,, then put it on
[03:12] <trojan_spike> i had netbooks.. buh sure
[03:12] <trojan_spike> have u tried the chrome O.S yet? its great for netbooks
[03:13] <Kendalja> no I havent
[03:13] <Jordan_U> Kendalja: If you haven't closed the upgrade window yet, hold alt to click and drag the window with the mouse to where you can see the bottom of it.
[03:13] <trojan_spike> try that,, or Jolicloud.. best for netbooks
[03:13] <Kendalja> I did that Jordan_U
[03:15] <Jordan_U> Kendalja: Try clicking within the terminal output area and pressing enter.
[03:16] <Kendalja> did that also
[03:16] <Kendalja> just creates space
[03:16] <Jordan_U> Kendalja: Try ctrl+c
[03:16] <Kendalja> that wants to close it
[03:17] <Kendalja> it says it will abort the operation
[03:18] <Jordan_U> Kendalja: If nothing has happened for a long time then it may be the best that you can do (hopefully afterward the other operations will continue). What is the exact text of the error message?
[03:18] <Kendalja> says installing new version of config file /etc/logrotate.d/samba ...
[03:18] <Paddy_NI> trojan_spike, Is JoliCloud ready yet?
[03:18] <Kendalja> is jolicloud linux?
[03:18] <Paddy_NI> yes
[03:19] <trojan_spike> yea,, Jolicloud is ready for use
[03:19] <trojan_spike> google chrome O.S has gone public too
[03:19] <Paddy_NI> trojan_spike, which Ubuntu release is it based on?
[03:19] <Paddy_NI> Joli that is
[03:19] <Kendalja> you have to build chromium though
[03:20] <trojan_spike> ubuntu remix
[03:20] <Paddy_NI> which
[03:20] <Paddy_NI> :)
[03:20] <trojan_spike> im trying to think.. i remember hearing it
[03:20] <Kendalja> have you guys used chromium or joli?
[03:21] <Paddy_NI> Kendalja, Yeah I have used chromium OS
[03:21] <Kendalja> fast?
[03:21] <Paddy_NI> its not really ready
[03:21] <Paddy_NI> yeah its fast
[03:21] <Paddy_NI> Haiku is nice too
[03:21] <trojan_spike> it got good reviews
[03:22] <Paddy_NI> Haiku has a great feel to it also
[03:22] <Paddy_NI> blazing fast
[03:23] <vbabiy_> is there a fix for the cpu usage by xorg
[03:25] <trojan_spike> Mozilla prisim and ubuntu remix << Jolicloud
[03:25] <trojan_spike> prism
[03:25] <Paddy_NI> they use a custom netbook launcher
[03:27] <Paddy_NI> I am enjoying a highly customised Ubuntu Lucid netbook at the moment
[03:29] <Kendalja> lucid?
[03:29] <Paddy_NI> yes
[03:29] <Kendalja> I think I will try those os' you mentioned
[03:29] <Kendalja> can I use irc and stuff on them?
[03:30] <Paddy_NI> of course
[03:30] <Kendalja> run anything linux based..?
[03:30] <Paddy_NI> huh>
[03:30] <Paddy_NI> ?
[03:30] <Kendalja> I mean if I wanted to dl an app do i just dl a linux version
[03:31] <Kendalja> for the os
[03:31] <Paddy_NI> Preferably use that systems package manager if any before downloading packages
[03:31] <Paddy_NI> would not want to end up in dependency hell
[03:31] <Kendalja> ok
[03:32] <Kendalja> which OS would you recommend I start with?
[03:32] <Paddy_NI> also HaikuOS is not linux based
[03:32] <Paddy_NI> Kendalja, for a netbook>
[03:32] <Paddy_NI> ?
[03:32] <Kendalja> yep
[03:32] <Kendalja> I am getting Jolicloud now
[03:32] <Paddy_NI> Ubuntu 10.04 netbook edition
[03:32] <Paddy_NI> :)
[03:32] <Kendalja> and that also
[03:32] <Kendalja> well 10.10
[03:32] <Paddy_NI> 10.10 aint ready yet
[03:33] <Paddy_NI> plus 10.04 is an LTS release
[03:34] <Kendalja> lts?
[03:34] <Paddy_NI> !lts
[03:35] <Kendalja> jolicloud looks nice
[03:35] <Paddy_NI> yeah it is pretty
[03:35] <Kendalja> it will run linix apps?
[03:35] <Paddy_NI> Kendalja, yes
[03:35] <Paddy_NI> its ubuntu based
[03:35] <Kendalja> ahh
[03:35] <Paddy_NI> shares the same repositories
[03:36] <Kendalja> so why is it better than ubuntu 10.04 netbook?
[03:36] <Kendalja> or not...
[03:36] <Paddy_NI> I did not say it was
[03:38] <Kendalja> well in your opinion which is better?
[03:38] <Paddy_NI> Well I have not tried Jolicloud for a while now and when I had it was in a VM
[03:39] <Paddy_NI> I thought it was nice but I still love ubuntu
[03:39] <Paddy_NI> You should really try for yourself and make your own decision
[03:39] <Paddy_NI> !better
[03:39] <Paddy_NI> :-)
[03:45] <qwm> when i change user with sux, i can't run any gtk apps (they crash with "Aborted (core dumped)"), but other apps work fine. i've had the problem for about a week.
[03:46] <Paddy_NI> Hey qwm have you tried throwing cabbage at it?
[04:12] <Volkodav> anybody tried this Square evil 64 bit from Adobe ?
[04:16] <yofel> Volkodav: works fine here in firefox 3.6
[04:17] <Volkodav> yofel: did you uninstall both the player and the wrapper before installing a new one ?
[04:18] <yofel> I did run apt-get purge flashplugin-installer, but rather because I don't need them anymore than that they caused problems
[04:19] <Volkodav> i removed the nswrapper what it is called too just in case
[04:19] <yofel> the wrapper is still installed, but doesn't seem to be used
[04:19]  * yofel purges that too
[04:27] <Volkodav> hmm works ok so far trying in opera 10.7
[04:30] <Volkodav> cpu usage is still out there
[04:31] <Volkodav> like it always does this monster
[04:46] <crimsun_> you don't need to remove nspluginwrapper; just removing the [links to] system-wide libflashplugin.so and installing the native-arch one will suffice
[04:47] <crimsun_> the former is easily accomplished via purging flashplugin-installer, as yofel alluded to
[04:59] <SoulShadow> do switchable graphics work in ubuntu?
[06:18] <bullgard4> How can I persuade Audacious to keep in mind the URL http://player.streamtheworld.com/_players/entercom/player/?id=KDFC and play it when pressing a key combination?
[07:55] <Wubbbi> Hey guys. I found a strange bug. I use a netbook with broadcom Wifi and it realy works good. But now the problem. When I'm in Batterie mode ( even if the batterie is very very full ) my Wifi speed is like 3,4kb/s ... it takes 5 minutes to load google.com. In Lucid I dont have any problems. Well when I put in my Charger, the Wifi connection speeds up to normal speed. I dont have to reboot, no reconnect. I just put it in and its fast as normal.
[07:55] <Wubbbi> When I put it out again, the connection slows down. Can you confirm it? Or even help me?
[07:57] <MarkDude> Wubbbi, - what type of machine?
[08:03] <Wubbbi> MarkDude: Netbook
[08:05] <Wubbbi> MarkDude: Netbook ( Intel )
[08:06] <MarkDude> So an atom then?
[08:06] <Wubbbi> yes
[08:07] <Wubbbi> MarkDude: any ideas?
[08:07] <Wubbbi> Cause I cant be in Charge-Mode always. My Battrie will be destroyed. I also wanna move arround etc.
[08:08] <MarkDude> Odd, when you said that^^ I unplugged mine and it killed updating
[08:09] <MarkDude> apparently it cant do the right speed for updates on mine - wheter unplugged or not
[08:09]  * MarkDude cant reproduce
[08:10] <Wubbbi> MarkDude: uff ... -_- thats not good
[08:10] <MarkDude> Looking at my logfiles
[08:23] <MarkDude> sorry Wubbbi - I need to sort out what I just did
[08:23] <MarkDude> your issue is prolly related to acpi
[08:23] <MarkDude> Or some power issue is my guess
[08:24] <Wubbbi> MarkDude: ok so what do I have to do now`?
[08:24] <MarkDude> Check and make sure there is no crash log in   var/log
[08:27] <Wubbbi> MarkDude: I found a pm-powersave.log ... there are interessting Lines. Do you wanna have?
[08:27] <MarkDude> sure
[08:29] <eruditehermit> hey, is there a working ATI catalyst driver in maverick?
[08:29] <Wubbbi> MarkDude: http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/398951/ here ... just look at line 142 for example. Sounds strange
[08:32] <Wubbbi> MarkDude: Is it possible to turn off the powersave mode? May I gonna test it.
[08:32] <Wubbbi> seems to be an issue with it
[08:35] <MarkDude> Yes there is
[08:35] <Wubbbi> MarkDude: found something? ( like a bug? )
[08:35] <MarkDude> right click on your upper panel
[08:36] <MarkDude> Add to Panel
[08:36] <MarkDude> *inhibit applet*
[08:36] <MarkDude> put that on your panel
[08:36] <Wubbbi> MarkDude: ok
[08:36] <MarkDude> it will stop it from getting sleepy, unlike myself
[08:37]  * MarkDude wishes he had something to prevent sleepmode
[08:37] <MarkDude> It is only a workaround (if it works)
[08:37] <Wubbbi> MarkDude: Ahhh ... xD do you know the german word of the Applet? I cant find it ^^
[08:38] <MarkDude> Ill screenshot it for you
[08:38] <Wubbbi> thx ^^
[08:39] <MarkDude> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10527806/Screenshot-Add%20to%20Panel.png
[08:40] <MarkDude> Its where my mouse is
[08:40] <Wubbbi> MarkDude: ahhh ok
[08:40] <Wubbbi> I did ... now do I have to configure something?
[08:40] <MarkDude> It looks like the restricted drivers icon
[08:41] <MarkDude> left click will keep it from sleeping
[08:41] <MarkDude> one more click will let it sleep
[08:41] <Wubbbi> MarkDude: Its workd ;D
[08:41] <Wubbbi> thank you.
[08:41] <MarkDude> Cool
[08:42] <Wubbbi> May we just fix the bug now, cause its just a workaround xD
[08:42] <MarkDude> Of course Wubbbi
[08:42] <Wubbbi> stupid powersave ... ruined my day xD
[08:43] <MarkDude> The bug will prolly get fixed, my guess is that its looking at a file that is blank
[08:43] <Wubbbi> Well MarkDude as I come from germany ... and its is morning here ... I have to go to work now. I'lll be here later. Can you create to bug report? I realy have to go now ^^
[08:45]  * MarkDude is almost asleep Wubbbi
[08:45] <MarkDude> Im srry
[08:45] <Wubbbi> xD ok I will come back later and do it. Np ;)
[08:46] <Wubbbi> Good night ;D
[09:14] <bullgard4> How can I persuade Audacious to keep in mind the URL http://player.streamtheworld.com/_players/entercom/player/?id=KDFC and play it when pressing a key combination?
[10:24] <Wubbbi> MarkDude: hey :) are you sleeping? xD
[10:24] <syn-ack> *burp*
[11:45] <red> hello, I removed my laptop from its dock, now the eth0 interface is still excpeting to be the same MAC \ Device, how do I tell ubuntu to regenerate those configurations?
[11:51] <red> sorted
[11:56] <bac> hi apw ... i tried installing 10.10 desktop beta 1  on a MBP5,1 (your favorite) and ran into the same problem with nouveau as reported against lucid in bug 546393
[11:58] <apw> bac lovely
[11:58] <apw> bac, can you add that to the bug ?
[11:58] <bac> apw: do you want a new bug?
[11:58] <gnomefreak> it says it is fixed
[11:59] <gnomefreak> i havent gone to site. just the info from bot
[11:59] <apw> bac will see if i can add a maveric nom to it
[11:59] <bac> apw ok, your call
[11:59] <apw> gnomefreak, yeah he is saying it was fixed in lucid and now it is unfixed
[11:59] <gnomefreak> regression?
[12:00] <bac> apw: the workaround in that bug worked so i could install and switch to nvidia driver.  all is well now.  (nouveau.noaccel=1 blacklist=vga16fv)
[12:00] <bac> er, vga16fb
[12:00]  * gnomefreak goes to check.
[12:02] <apw> bac yeah i've sorted the tasks could you update the body
[12:38] <bac> apw: done.  please let me know if you want me to test when the time comes.
[12:53] <mikehh> I have a problem with Kate locking up if a file changes outside of Kate - where should I discuss this?
[12:54] <bazhang> mikehh, in 10.10?
[12:54] <mikehh> yup
[12:54] <mikehh> works in 10.04
[12:54] <bazhang> mikehh, consider filing a bug then
[12:55] <mikehh> 'k
[12:55] <bazhang> !bugs
[12:57] <IdleOne> samba upgrade broken for you folks this morning?
[12:58] <IdleOne> samba (2:3.5.4~dfsg-1ubuntu6)
[12:58] <IdleOne> :(
[13:01] <bazhang> mikehh, just searched launchpad, not seen any kate bugs yet
[13:08] <mikehh> bazhang: I am logged into launchpad - can't find anything at the moment
[13:09] <mikehh> what happens is that I use Kate as my default editor, make changes, save then commit the change (via svn), which modifies the file. (more)
[13:10] <mikehh> if I dont close the file before I commit it locks up kate (ok if I do)
[13:11] <mikehh> when I was working with the beta of 10.04 kate would crash when I did this, but that was fixed, now in 10.10 beta it just locks up, can't do anything with it
[13:12] <mikehh> I have to end it with system monitor
[13:21] <yofel> mikehh: bugs in kate directly should go to bugs.kde.org, search there too
[13:21] <yofel> *should directly go
[13:21] <maxb> Are there any LVM-related cautions against upgrading to Maverick Beta at the moment?
[13:23] <gnomefreak> maxb: search for your bug in launchpad. we are unable to know everything ;)
[13:24] <maxb> I do not have a bug. I am asking for vague generalities :-)
[13:24] <maxb> If someone's been burnt recently, they might speak up and caution me. If not, I'll upgrade anyway and see what happens :-)
[13:25] <gnomefreak> why not skip this step since you are going to do it anyway
[13:37] <CC12> hey all
[13:37] <CC12> need help with ati drivers
[13:38] <gnomefreak> CC12: in 10.04?
[13:38] <CC12> no 10.10 beta
[13:38] <CC12> this is what iam getting ...
[13:38] <gnomefreak> need yhelp with* means nothing
[13:38] <CC12> Error: ./default_policy.sh does not support version
[13:38] <CC12> default:v2:x86_64:lib32::none:2.6.35-19-generic:; make sure that the version is being
[13:38] <CC12> correctly set by --iscurrentdistro
[13:39] <gnomefreak> CC12: that needs to have a bug filied againsts ait drivers
[13:39] <CC12> dang
[13:39] <CC12> ok ill stick with 10.4 for now thanks
[13:39] <gnomefreak> if you want it looked at a bug is best
[13:40] <gnomefreak> you also have an old kernel
[13:40] <CC12> hmm didnt expect that..but ill stick 10.04
[13:48] <alvin> Are there people here who installed Kubuntu with encrypted home? I did such an install, and I can't log in anymore. (could log in once)
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. did a update/upgrade. and it semed to hang on    update-alternatives: using /usr/bin/smbstatus.samba3 to provide /
[14:08] <alvin> I'm reinstalling with the new daily. Let's see how it goes
[14:09] <jpds> Dr_Willis: Samba providing root... impressive.
[14:19] <Ian_corne> Dr_Willis: I had that too
[14:19] <Ian_corne> just aborted
[14:19] <Ian_corne> :p
[14:33] <Aray> Hi Everyone!!
[14:34] <Aray> Need your help in solving an issue with Kwin. I am on kubuntu 10.10 / kde 4.5.1
[14:34] <Aray> The problem is desktop getting freezed at times. Since last 2-3 days this has happened 4 times.
[14:34] <Aray> I am on intel driver. Can I do something to avoid this freeze?
[14:35] <Aray> I am presently working with all the effects off
[14:35] <Aray> effects = desktop effects
[14:36] <alvin> Aray: Did you use Lucid before? Because I have this on my Lucid machine (with Intel gpu) too. It freezes a while. As a workaround, I wait.
[14:36] <Aray> Alvin: Yes you are right. I had Kubuntu Lucid earlier and then updated from PPA
[14:37] <Aray> Yes I too wait and then it comes back but the real problem is sometimes the screen just freezes with multiple color and no key works.
[14:37] <alvin> And you didn't notice these freezes in Lucid?
[14:39] <Aray> Alvin: No freeze in Ubuntu Lucid - I worked smoothly there for month. But on Kubuntu Lucid I just installed and upgraded immediately.
[14:39] <alvin> Is there anyone willing to log out of Kubuntu and tell me if kdm reappears for them?
[14:39] <alvin> Aray: What Intel card is that?
[14:39] <Aray> Alvin: 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Memory Controller Hub (rev 07)
[14:39] <Aray> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
[14:39] <Aray> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
[14:40] <alvin> There are several known issues with different types. I didn't try yours yet.
[14:40] <Aray> Alvin: Sorry, I should have use pastebin perhaps
[14:40] <alvin> For 2 lines? Nobody will care :-)
[14:40] <Aray> Thanks
[14:40] <Aray> Actually I am on a Dell Laptop inspiron
[14:40] <alvin> Maybe that model is even certified by Canonical :-)
[14:41] <Aray> and I worked in Gnome for an year or more without a single freeze. That is why I got surprised with this freeze
[14:41] <Aray> Alvin : Should I download a beta 10.10 from Kubuntu and install from there?
[14:41] <Aray> which might remove all old settings etc.?
[14:41] <alvin> I have a machine here with an Intel card and only X. (no gnome/kde) It crashes several times a day since Jaunty. It's a known bug (not the same as yours)
[14:42] <Aray> Though that will be a pain.
[14:42] <alvin> Aray: Well, I'd look for an existing bug report first
[14:42] <Aray> alvin: Oh! that means is it Intel driver?
[14:42] <alvin> Most probably
[14:42] <Aray> alvin: I also think it's intel driver.
[14:43] <Aray> alvin: But once I tried with an older intel driver long back, that time I had no freeze
[14:43] <alvin> Intel is doing a lot of changes in their driver. It works faster, but not more sttable
[14:43] <Aray> alvin: Ok
[14:44] <Aray> alvin: but I have one question? How then Ubuntu never freezed? are they using some other driver?
[14:45] <Aray> I love Kubuntu - that is why I intend to use it this time and ready to face the freezes D:
[14:45] <Aray> Alvin: I am now working with just the desktop effects as on and all filters as off
[14:45] <Aray> Alvin: No further crash since then.
[14:46] <Aray> till now
[14:46] <alvin> Aray: There is a difference in Gnome/KDE. KDE uses some new functions that Gnome doesn't (if I understand it correctly)
[14:46] <Aray> Alvin: I understand. I also thought so.
[14:47] <Aray> Alvin:One thing I forgot I am using oxygen transparent . Is that a reason for freezing?
[14:47] <alvin> There are issues with nVidia drivers too, but I haven't experienced those yet
[14:47] <Aray> No blur though.
[14:47] <alvin> Let me see. I remember reading something
[14:49] <alvin> Here: http://hugo-kde.blogspot.com/2010/09/performance-issues-one-script-and-call.html Oxygen issues with nVidia cards
[14:50] <Wubbbi> MarkDude: Are you here?
[14:54] <Aray> Alvin: Thanks a lot. I will read that.
[15:18] <mbeierl> is aptitude deprecated in maverick or did I just miss it?
[15:19] <alvin> mbeierl: It is. It's left out to make room on the cd
[15:19] <bjsnider> it isn't installed by default
[15:19] <peturi> How can i adjust the amount of volume-up\down changed by my laptops volume buttons?
[15:19] <mbeierl> alvin: ah, ok, thanks.  I'm never sure which is the preferred one anymore...
[15:19] <alvin> Well, personally, I think it's unwise. Upstream (debian in this case) recommends aptitude over apt-get in the Administration guide
[15:19] <mbeierl> some seem to indicate aptitude, others say it's apt-get
[15:20] <mbeierl> THAT'S where I read it!  I knew I saw it somewhere!
[15:30] <alvin> I'm getting concerned about KDM. It really is not working for me on fresh install. I simply can't log in.
[15:31] <nemo> hm
[15:31] <nemo> looks like (just by coincidence and slacking) we might end up roughly syncing up w/ Ubuntu's release schedule again
[15:31] <alvin> Ah, it's not KDM. It's X. startx gives me a segmentation fault
[15:32] <nemo> I have a feeling that once again, just weeks before 10.10 release, I'm gonna pleading w/ Ubuntu managers to approve the new version
[15:32] <nemo> juuust like my pleading for Lucid and Karmic...
[15:32] <alvin> nemo: New version of what?
[15:33] <Ian_corne> 10.9 catalyst is out, this is not the one we want yet right?
[15:34] <nemo> alvin: Hedgewars
[15:34] <nemo> alvin: there's a few things we still wanna finish up
[15:34] <nemo> but Tiyuri has been making release noises
[15:35] <nemo> so some of the other stuff will just have to wait for the next release I guess :)
[15:35] <delta9> i updated to the new kernel on 10.10 and when i booted my machine my trackpad buttons and trackpad didnt work at all
[15:36] <delta9> how do i fix it
[15:43] <delta9> i updated to the new kernel on 10.10 and when i booted my machine my trackpad buttons and trackpad didnt work at all
[15:43] <delta9> how do i fix it
[15:43] <delta9> hi dink
[15:43] <delta9> i updated to the new kernel on 10.10 and when i booted my machine my trackpad buttons and trackpad didnt work at all
[15:44] <delta9> someone help :[
[15:44] <delta9> im a no0b
[15:44] <jbroome> delta9: then whyTF are you running beta software?
[15:44] <delta9> :(
[15:45] <delta9> cuz i want to.
[15:45] <Dink> try a previous kernel ?
[15:45] <Dink> if it works file a bug ?
[15:45] <jbroome> It's generally assumed that if you're going to dance on the bleeding edge, you know how to use a band-aid
[15:45] <delta9> 10.10 works fine w/ the original 10.10 kernel, but i updated the kernal and now the damn mouse wont work
[15:46] <jbroome> then boot into the prev kernel
[15:46] <delta9> eh
[15:46] <delta9> what do you think im on now
[15:46] <jbroome> beats me, my spectral teleportation is down right now
[15:46] <delta9> heh?
[15:47] <delta9> dudem you arent any help, if anything you are a troll
[15:47] <thecntr5> how do i change the date format?, it says: Thu Sep 16, 16:45  and  i want it to be Thu 16 Sep, 16:45
[15:47] <jbroome> i'm the harsh smack of reality.
[15:47] <delta9> jbroom
[15:47] <delta9> help him
[15:48] <delta9> you aere the harsh breath of an asshole.
[15:48] <delta9> lol
[15:48] <jbroome> breathe deep
[15:48] <delta9> h3rb
[15:48] <delta9> ill smell my own farts, they are delicious
[15:49] <delta9> you should try a wiff jbroom
[15:49] <delta9> you'd like it.
[15:49]  * delta9 spreads his cheeks and places his asshole directly over jbrooms nose
[15:49] <delta9> mmm, you like that, dont you?
[15:50] <Lynoure> !ops
[15:50] <delta9> thecntr, dont bother/wc
[15:50] <jpds>
[15:50] <Pici> hmm
[15:51] <Lynoure> Pici: I did not think me telling him to shut up would have made a difference, but weirdly the summon did...
[15:51] <IdleOne> Pici: if i am going to be on the highlight list. Feel free to add me to access also :)
[15:51] <nemo> thecntr5: I believe that is local controlled
[15:52] <nemo> thecntr5: try changing LC_TIME in your env
[15:52] <nemo> to, oh, some canadian or brit thing :)
[15:52] <thecntr5> how do i do that?
[15:55] <nemo> thecntr5: set an environment variable? :)
[15:56] <nemo> thecntr5: wellll, do you just want it for your user, or system-wide?
[15:56] <thecntr5> it doesnt matter
[15:56] <thecntr5> as far as i see i myself
[15:57] <jbroome> thecntr5: "Invoking `date' with no FORMAT argument is equivalent to invoking it
[15:57] <jbroome> with a default format that depends on the `LC_TIME' locale category."
[15:57] <nemo> jbroome: yeah, but I'm guessing he means the gnome date widget
[15:57] <nemo> which probably uses LC_TIME
[15:58] <jbroome> Doh sorry.  I defaulted to CLI
[15:58] <thecntr5> steps please?
[15:58] <nemo> thecntr5: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnvironmentVariables
[15:58] <JAMD456> Has anyone been able to get the sound on the 64 bit version of Adobe Flash Square working on Ubuntu 10.10? I am having difficulties.
[15:58] <nemo> thecntr5: scroll to "persistent" although you might want to read it through
[15:58] <thecntr5> k
[15:59] <nemo> JAMD456: I have no sound at all due to a kernel oops that I hope will be resolved soonish, so I'll be no help :)
[15:59] <nemo> thecntr5: oh. to see your full set of variables, type "locale" at the terminal
[16:00] <JAMD456> nemo: ok thanks though
[16:00] <nemo> thecntr5: from your date format I'm somehow betting you're on en_US.UTF-8 :)
[16:00] <nemo> (across the board)
[16:00] <thecntr5> i am
[16:00] <thecntr5> because i use everything in english from USA
[16:01] <thecntr5> my lang sux
[16:01] <thecntr5> :)
[16:01] <nemo> which is? :)
[16:01] <thecntr5> Spanish
[16:01] <nemo> huh. ubuntu should have good spanish localisation
[16:01]  * nemo uses the french locale w/ good success
[16:02] <thecntr5> and i use US english because brits are weird
[16:02] <thecntr5> O_o
[16:02] <mwilliams12201> good  morning.  I just got a Dell Inspiron mini with XP installed.  I installed Ubuntu netbook remix last night and can't get connected to the internet=wired or wireless.
[16:04] <nemo> thecntr5: heh. they are that ;)
[16:04] <nemo> mwilliams12201: don't know too much about that model, can you dump your lspci output somewhere?
[16:05] <nemo> even w/o internet can use like a flash drive or something
[16:05] <mwilliams12201> ?
[16:05] <nemo> mwilliams12201: it does seem like it should have good support though
[16:05] <nemo> hell, there's an ubuntumini.com website...
[16:06] <mwilliams12201> oh, that is good news
[16:06] <mwilliams12201> hold on, I have to reboot the net book-it froze
[16:06] <nemo> mwilliams12201: p'raps try one of the older versions of ubuntu instead of getting all beta :)
[16:06] <nemo> ubuntumini.com seems to have extensive docs for various prior versions
[16:10] <mwilliams12201> here is the lspci result:
[16:10] <mwilliams12201> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Memory Controller Hub (rev 03)
[16:10] <mwilliams12201> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[16:10] <mwilliams12201> 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[16:10] <mwilliams12201> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[16:10] <mwilliams12201> 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family PCI Express Port 1 (rev 02)
[16:10] <mwilliams12201> 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family PCI Express Port 2 (rev 02)
[16:10] <mwilliams12201> 00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family PCI Express Port 3 (rev 02)
[16:10] <mwilliams12201> 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 02)
[16:10] <mwilliams12201> 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 02)
[16:10] <mwilliams12201> 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 02)
[16:10] <mwilliams12201> 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 02)
[16:10] <mwilliams12201> 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 02)
[16:10] <mwilliams12201> 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev e2)
[16:10] <mwilliams12201> 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801GBM (ICH7-M) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 02)
[16:10] <jpds> !pastebin | mwilliams12201
[16:11] <thecntr5> ubottu got mad guys.
[16:11] <mwilliams12201> crap, I don't understand the directionjs I am getting from channel
[16:12] <mwilliams12201> http://paste.ubuntu.com/494796/
[16:13] <mwilliams12201> did that work?
[16:16] <jbroome> holy crap.  pastebin
[16:18] <mwilliams12201> ?
[16:19] <mwilliams12201> I think Iknow what I need to do to get wireless working, but I can' get wired to woirk either
[16:30] <nemo> mwilliams12201: ouch. pastebin. yeah. well anyway let's see how support is for your card
[16:30] <nemo> hm
[16:30] <nemo> I don't see either card in the list.
[16:30] <nemo> not even as unknown devices
[16:30] <nemo> mwilliams12201: there isn't some sort of network toggle switch on that thing, is there? (granted, you'd still think it'd be visible)
[16:31] <nemo> oh
[16:31] <mwilliams12201> nope
[16:31] <nemo> I see. is 'cause you got cut off... is in the pastebin
[16:31] <nemo> ok. that's pretty standard
[16:31] <mwilliams12201> internet works fine inn winndows (blech)
[16:31] <nemo> mwilliams12201: lol. that's a totally pointless statement
[16:32] <nemo> mwilliams12201: if you've EVER had to install windows from scratch you would know that manufacturers do a lot of customisation of an install
[16:32] <mwilliams12201> okay
[16:32] <nemo> mwilliams12201: linux default HW support is far superior to windows - something you'll notice if you try one of those windows rescue CDs :)
[16:32] <nemo> installing a clean windows on a laptop is a nightmare
[16:32] <nemo> my last XP install took me over a week and I still didn't find all the drivers
[16:33] <nemo> anyway....
[16:33] <jbroome> nemo: i see a realtek card and a broadcom
[16:33] <nemo> jbroome: yeah. standard stuff - I just checked the pastebin
[16:33] <nemo> jbroome: is there any known breakage in 10.10? I'm new to this release
[16:33] <mwilliams12201> I believe you-I would rather pay college kids atr local repair shop
[16:33] <nemo> the odds of both being broken seems small, that's why I was wondering about switches
[16:33] <jbroome> nemo: i dunno, i'm only runing maverick on a desktop
[16:34] <nemo> desktops still have realtek cards :)
[16:34] <nemo> mwilliams12201: aight. lemme look around a bit
[16:34] <mwilliams12201> I have 10.4-just double checkedand there is no visible switch
[16:34] <nemo> mwilliams12201: I'm at work so frequently AFK
[16:34] <nemo> mwilliams12201: wait. you are on 10.04??
[16:34] <mwilliams12201> okay
[16:35] <mwilliams12201> 10.4
[16:35] <jbroome> then you need #ubuntu
[16:35] <mwilliams12201> afk
[16:35] <jbroome> cat /etc/issue
[16:35] <mwilliams12201> okay
[16:38] <apw> bac, posted some test kernels to that bug
[16:39] <nemo> mwilliams12201: yeah, I would have asked you that sooner but I assumed you were on 10.10 since you were here :-p
[16:40] <mwilliams12201> sorry, I miss read the room description
[17:00] <volodya> I have kdm and/or X crashing right after login, with  NVIDIA Quadro NVS 3100M, using both nvidia's and open-source drivers. Any ideas?
[17:04] <_Alexia_Death_> volodya: Check the logs for why its crashing.
[17:06] <volodya> _Alexia_Death_: well -- which logs? Xorg.0.log and kdm.log don't contain any stacktraces.
[17:21] <killer999> I am learning packaging...Is there a specific channel for queries relating to packaging??
[17:22] <Dr_Willis> Ok. lets see if i can get samba installed now.. its been.. quirky today
[17:23] <maxb> killer999: #ubuntu-motu for packaging as it pertains to getting packages Ubuntu universe, #ubuntu-packaging for more general questions
[17:23] <killer999> maxb, thanks!
[17:24] <maxb> Hmm, so ATI suck as usual and fglrx is a no-go in current maverick. Does anyone know if the OSS driver can do multi-monitor at all?
[17:26] <trojan_spike> any1 getting a prob with wine on 10.10,, ? not accessing online?
[17:34] <Dr_Willis> you mean wine apps not getting to the internet?
[17:36] <trojan_spike> yea,, its only on 10.04..
[17:36] <trojan_spike> sorry,, not on 10.04
[17:37] <trojan_spike> im thinking firewall.. buh i have none installed
[17:37] <jbroome> they ususally default to allow all outbound anyway
[17:38] <trojan_spike> Its got me stumped.. Have to revert to v-pc
[17:39] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. samba still not installing...
[17:39] <trojan_spike> Crossover cant get online either..
[17:40] <Dr_Willis> testing now.
[17:41] <Dr_Willis> well wine and winscp.exe works (connecting to the local lan at least)
[17:42] <trojan_spike> any suggestions
[17:42] <trojan_spike> u mean wire it up?
[17:42] <trojan_spike> lota hassle
[17:45] <Dr_Willis> winscp in ftp mode.. works here in wine also.
[17:45] <Dr_Willis> connected to ftp.ubuntu.com
[17:46] <Dr_Willis>  wine --version
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> wine-1.2
[18:37] <edgy> crimsun_: hi
[18:41] <nemo> hey dudes
[18:41] <nemo> I'd like to try out gcc 4.5 which unfortunately is not yet in maverick
[18:41] <nemo> there are 3 PPAs
[18:41] <nemo> is any one of 'em a better choice to add?
[18:41] <nemo> "Ubuntu Toolchain Hackers", "Ubuntu Toolchain Uploads (test)", "Ubuntu Toolchain Uploads"
[18:42] <jbroome> i'd go with the most recent
[18:46] <edgy> Hi, chromium-browser segfautls! what about you?
[18:46] <yofel> nemo: it's not? and what is:
[18:46] <yofel> !info gcc-4.5
[18:47] <nemo> eep?
[18:47] <nemo> yofel: huh. I don't see it in synaptic
[18:47] <nemo> yofel: is that for x86?
[18:47] <nemo> when I checked synaptic there was only 4.4, and no other versions listed
[18:47] <yofel> x86_64 here
[18:47] <Pici> Its for amd64 and i386
[18:47] <Pici> gcc-4.5 | 4.5.1-7ubuntu1 |      maverick | source, amd64, i386
[18:47] <nemo> oh
[18:47] <nemo> lol
[18:47]  * nemo <- thick
[18:48] <nemo> is a separate install...
[18:48] <nemo> I was looking at "gcc" not "gcc-4.5"
[18:48] <yofel> heh, gcc is the default compiler, and that's still set to 4.4
[18:48] <nemo> well. thanks.
[18:52] <edgy> any one here with experience in audio drivers? my alc888 doesn't work properly
[19:29] <bjsnider> edgy, try the #ubuntu-audio-dev channel
[19:29] <edgy> bjsnider: I just ried it but no one is there!
[19:31] <edgy> bjsnider: I don't think they have a channel
[19:31] <DrHalan> hey
[19:31] <DrHalan> tehre is a new adobe flashplugin for 64bits
[19:31] <DrHalan> is it already in the repositories?
[19:42] <andlabs> Hi. After upgrading to 10.10, it appears my laptop's internal middle mouse button is now treated as the left mouse button, and I don't see an option in Mouse preferences to restore the middle mouse button behavior.
[19:42] <andlabs> How do I restore the behavior?
[20:08] <CosmiChaos> O.o chromium segfault, firefox segfault, thunderbird segault, oh happy day
[20:24] <DrHalan> 64bit flash? anyone?
[20:24] <nemo> yes.
[20:24] <nemo> what about it?
[20:27]  * yofel is happy that he's using it :P
[20:32]  * Jordan_U tries it now
[20:36] <nemo> yofel: ditto :)
[20:36] <nemo> yofel: I hope they update the package though
[20:36] <yofel> someone should first update the wiki page
[20:36] <yofel> !flash64
[20:41] <pietro10> Hi. After upgrading to 10.10, I can no longer use my laptop's internal middle mouse buttons as middle buttons; they behave as left mouse buttons. I don't see any options in Mouse preferences to revert the behavior. What do I do to fix this? THanks.
[20:44] <yofel> I don't know if that can be fixed, but I do remember seeing a bug report about that somewhere, can't remember which one though
[20:44] <nemo> pietro10: well...
[20:44] <nemo> pietro10: way back in the prehistoric era
[20:44] <nemo> when we specified this stuff ourselves
[20:44] <nemo> you'd add your middle mouse to the X11 mouse config
[20:44] <nemo> I guess you could resort to that
[20:44] <nemo> pietro10: might be interesting to see what xorg log file has to say about the detected mouse though
[20:45] <pietro10> It does work on my external mouse though
[20:45] <pietro10> and worked in 10.04
[20:45] <pietro10> (as far as I remembeR)
[20:45] <pietro10> Dell Precision M6400
[20:45] <pietro10> meh, it's not important right now, just wondering if this was deliberate (like unconfigurable notifications and the showexec in vfat)
[20:45] <nemo> well. if your xorg is not detecting the mouse model for some reason
[20:45] <nemo> it probably fails over to basic 2 button
[20:46] <pietro10> ok then
[20:46] <nemo> you could override that, buuut, yeah. would be interesting to look at the xorg log
[20:46]  * nemo only *has* a basic 2 button
[20:46] <nemo> then again, is a touchpad, and all the touchpad stuff is working just fine, including scroll
[20:46] <nemo> they even have the sensitivities at decent defaults for a change
[20:47] <pietro10> Yeah, I hate the click-with-touchpad feature tbh
[20:48] <pietro10> since I ALWAYS trigger it
[20:48] <nemo> my SO hates the touchpad so much she just had me disable it
[20:49] <nemo> the location of touchpad cries out for accidental movement w/ wrist while typing, if your angle is wrong
[20:49] <nemo> frankly, I hate laptops with touchpads - I've avoided subnotebooks 'cause they waste all that space just to have a touchpad
[20:49] <nemo> I'd rather have a nipple if I don't have an external mouse
[20:49] <nemo> or a couple of scrollers
[20:50] <nemo> there are a few subnotebooks w/o, like the my vaio, or the pandora
[20:50] <nemo> unfortunately the first one is windows only, and the 2nd one exists in like 500 built units so far
[20:50] <pietro10> Also
[20:50] <yofel> heh, I'm happy that my thinkpad has a trackpoint for exactly the same reason, alsways have to bend my wrist when using my eeePC :/
[20:50] <pietro10> would it be reasonable to put in the following feature request
[20:50] <pietro10> have the update distro process detect that you removed openjdk and respect that
[20:50] <pietro10> IcedTea fails miserably for me
[20:50] <pietro10> on every Linux distro I've tried that has it
[20:51] <yofel> pietro10: file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug update-manager' as that what we're using for upgrades usually
[20:51] <pietro10> ok then]
[20:53] <yofel> pietro10: it might make sense if you file your mouse issue too with 'ubuntu-bug xorg' - xorg is probably the wrong package as I suspect the driver to be at fault, but the X team will reassign it
[20:53] <pietro10> I'll try my external mouse first then
[20:54] <AirBender> Hello guys... how is maverick going?
[20:57] <nemo> pietro10: IcedTea works reasonably well for me, except w/ my dev tools
[20:57] <nemo> pietro10: you know, eclipse and such
[20:57] <nemo> so, I leave it on, I just have stopped using it as the default
[20:58] <pietro10> nemo: on Firefox it doesn't work
[20:58] <pietro10> no applets, not even Java's online version detection works
[20:58] <pietro10> better than my experience with java on mac os x
[20:59] <pietro10> I can't wait to reinstall that thing
[20:59] <pietro10> (software portability is an issue for me so I run win, mac, linux)
[21:02] <nemo> pietro10: huh. really? worked for me last time I tried...
[21:03] <nemo> but admittedly that hasn't been recently
[21:03] <nemo> hm. haven't installed sun java on this machine yet...
[21:03]  * nemo adds the IcedTea one
[21:04]  * yofel wishes the canonical devs would hurry up with sun-java6 for mav, the lucid package works fine though
[21:05] <nemo> interesting. openjdk was not installed by default
[21:05]  * Ian_corne aggrees with yofel
[21:05] <nemo> pietro10: aight. link me to some applet that failed horribly for you in openjdk?
[21:05] <Ian_corne> altho this ensures more testing of openjdk
[21:05] <Ian_corne> which isn't bad
[21:05] <nemo> I was thinking of trying that nifty NASA world winds
[21:06] <nemo> (open source and not a stupid crude bundling of google earth like Google's plugin that is not linux compat)
[21:06] <nemo> shame they haven't paid for the road data
[21:07] <nemo> yofel: one thing that doesn't seem to work quite as well in maverick - fingerprint gui
[21:07] <nemo> works for sudo/gksudo, login, su on VT
[21:07] <nemo> does not seem to work right for gdm and gnome-screensaver and su in a gnome terminal
[21:08] <nemo> pattern there seems to be "Gnome"
[21:08] <nemo> hum. works for gksudo though
[21:08] <yofel> I usually don't use my fingerprint reader for anything else than the bios PW and windows yet ^^
[21:08] <yofel> never bothered to read the documentation
[21:13] <Votan> is there a way to change the ubuntu logo at the login screen ? like with a custom avatar or whatever ?
[21:15] <Ian_corne> ubuntutweak does that
[21:15] <Ian_corne> ubuntu-tweak
[21:16] <Votan> is ubuntu tweak available for 10.10 yet ?
[21:18] <nemo> yofel: setting it up under linux is pretty easy w/ the fingerprint gui project
[21:19] <nemo> yofel: nice gui for recording fingerprints. the only bit that was manual was enabling it in pam, which I'm guessing he didn't automate just because he wants to be sure it is done slowly and carefully :)
[21:19] <nemo> yofel: but the parts that aren't working for me apparently used to work in 10.04 ... so hopefully he figures out what changed
[21:19] <yofel> hm, maybe I'll look at it when I get the time
[21:19] <nemo> is nice to just do sudo *swipe*  instead of typing
[21:20] <nemo> yofel: oh. doesn't work for that polkit nonsense, but then polkit fails at everything
[21:20] <nemo> ever tried using it w/ ssh -YC or nxclient ? :(
[21:20]  * nemo hates polkit
[21:20] <nemo> soooo frustrating to do remote support and the only way to get it to work is a VNC session 'cause polkit prevents anything else
[21:21] <nemo> polkit seems to follow the recent trend towards "just support the desktop"
[21:35] <alvin> I'm not used to apt-get. How can I see what version of the nvidia driver is installed through the nvidia-current package?
[21:35] <Dink> if you know the package name... apt-cache policy blah
[21:37] <alvin> Dink: Thanks
[21:37] <alvin> Another question. By messing with xorg.conf (well, adding 2 lines) the Ubuntu splash screen appears. This is kubuntu with no extra packages installed. How can I get the kubuntu splash back?
[21:39] <alvin> Hmm, the reason for the splash screen is probably the installation of nvidia-current
[21:40] <alvin> This also scales down the resolution of said splash
[21:42] <alvin> Well, away with the splash! Who needs it anyway?
[21:42] <lotuspsychje> lol
[21:42] <lotuspsychje> u like maverick alvin?
[21:43] <charlie-tca> alvin: you have the hardware drivers installed?
[21:43] <alvin> Yes, most of them are in the kernel. nvidia is the only proprietary driver.
[21:43] <charlie-tca> It messes with the splash screen (conflict between the nvidia driver and plymouth)
[21:44] <alvin> I remember that this was also the case with Lucid. It was fixed then.
[21:45] <drdozer> http://pastie.org/1163621
[21:45] <drdozer> I updated today, and kdm now crashes when I try to log in
[21:45] <drdozer> that's my /var/log/kdm.log
[21:45] <alvin> There are good technical reasons for those problems, and they can be avoided by using an open source driver like nouveau. Unfortunately, X segfaults when using nouveau
[21:45] <drdozer> with a segfault in it
[21:46] <yofel> nouveau works fine here (well, mostly), just the experimental 3D support is crappy
[21:47] <alvin> yofel: Maybe it's not on all cards, but that paste from drdozer looks the same crash I'v been experiencing. It's impossible to start X.
[21:47] <drdozer> alvin - nouveau, as of the last day or two?
[21:48] <alvin> drdozer: Might I suggest you put a tick at "this affects me too" here: bug 640596
[21:48] <alvin> drdozer: Yes, only since yesterday
[21:48] <drdozer> anything unusual abut your system? I'm running 2 30" monitors which means I have an unusually wide screen
[21:50] <alvin> No, it's a T61p Lenovo notebook. The Graphics card is pretty uniaue though. Quadro FX570m (only be found in this model....)
[21:50] <drdozer> mine is an off-the-shelf from PC world card
[21:50] <alvin> But Kubuntu has been working fine (well, the graphics part) since Breezy Badger.
[21:50] <drdozer> it was fine until 2 days ago :(
[21:51] <yofel> there was a recent mesa update, might have been that
[21:52] <drdozer> any ideas how I can at least work around it?
[21:52] <alvin> If you have a launcpad account, please set the bug to confirmed so it can be triaged.
[21:52] <alvin> Workaround is $ sudo jockey-text -e xorg:nvidia_current
[21:52] <drdozer> nope, it doesn't seem to give me the option to confirm
[21:53] <alvin> This might screw DPI, but that's a known bug in several distro's
[21:53] <yofel> drdozer: click on the arrow besides 'New' in the status bar on launchpad
[21:53] <drdozer> oh cool - it's now confirmed
[21:54] <alvin> Good. I'll nominate for Maverick
[21:55] <KukuNut> drdozer: i reinstalled my nvidia drivers and kdm now lets me login.  used to loop around
[21:55] <alvin> Yes, in the meantime, the proprietary drivers will have to do
[21:56] <drdozer> ok
[21:57] <drdozer> KukNut: the nuveau ones, or the proprietary ones?
[21:57] <KukuNut> drdozer: proprietary
[21:58] <KukuNut> drdozer: i don't use nouveau
[21:59] <drdozer> seems to be stuck on "Searching for available drivers" but perhaps that is my laughably narrow broadband
[22:35] <gintonic> My calendar (left click clock) is floating mid screen. Which file in home is responsible for this?
[22:40] <gintonic> never mind. It's bug #631664
[22:52] <Volkodav> what's up with samba ? does not behave lately huh //&
[22:54] <Ian_corne> Indeed it doesn't
[22:57] <BUGabundo> evening
[22:58] <yofel> hey BUGabundo
[22:58] <yofel> (you are running 64bit flash again btw?)
[22:58] <BUGabundo> not yet
[22:58] <BUGabundo> I've downloaded it
[22:59] <BUGabundo> but not installed
[22:59] <yofel> works fine here, it's nice to get rid of those regular npviewer.bin segfaults in dmesg :P
[22:59] <BUGabundo> true
[22:59] <BUGabundo> are we pulling it from updates?
[23:00] <BUGabundo> I don't see anything in my updates
[23:00] <yofel> not yet I think, I installed it manually
[23:01] <BUGabundo> kk
[23:01] <BUGabundo> let me just finish my batch of updates
[23:01] <BUGabundo> then ill purge np
[23:06] <yofel> huh? byobus network traffic info changed from B/s to bps, makes sense I guess..
[23:17] <drdozer> back again
[23:17] <drdozer> I typed: sudo jockey-text -e xorg:nvidia_current
[23:17] <drdozer> it printed out "Searching for available drivers..."
[23:18] <drdozer> and then afer a long time of downloading things very slowly, exited
[23:18] <drdozer> nothing else printed
[23:18] <drdozer> is that what it was meant to do?
[23:25] <drdozer> ok, just rebooted and logged into kde
[23:25] <drdozer> it seems to be ignoring my xorg.conf and only using one monitor
[23:26] <drdozer> or perhaps the xorg is set up right for nuveau, but not for the nvidia driver
[23:28] <drdozer> I've been able to enable it again with nvidia-settings
[23:32] <sburwood> I downloaded 10.10 beta and burned the image once with k3b and once with brasero.  Booting from each CD, I got the message that the kernel was corrupted.  Why?
[23:36] <yofel> sburwood: checked the checksum of the downloaded iso?
[23:37] <sburwood> How do I do that?
[23:37] <sburwood> yofel: how do I do that?
[23:37] <Volkodav> wait for release
[23:37] <yofel> !checksum
[23:39] <sburwood> yofel: thx.  As you can see, I'm a relative n00b
[23:39] <sburwood> bye
[23:44] <BUGabundo> yofel: you ever heard of bad image loading ?
[23:44] <BUGabundo> like I have 14MPx photos hear that look very pixelized
[23:45] <BUGabundo> I *really* *really* *really* *really* *really* *really* *really* hope its not the camara... and rather bad lib decoding :(
[23:45] <DanaG> Say, I wish somebody would adopt fatELF: http://icculus.org/fatelf/
[23:45] <DanaG> Nifty idea -- one CD for both 32-bit and 64-bit.
[23:47] <yofel> depends, checked the compression settings in the camera?
[23:47] <BUGabundo> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/112892/DSC00007.JPG
[23:47] <BUGabundo> its set to max quality
[23:47] <BUGabundo> Super Fine
[23:47] <yofel> -> 404
[23:47] <BUGabundo> uploadin
[23:48] <BUGabundo> its 5MBs each
[23:49] <BUGabundo> yofel: should be fine now
[23:49] <yofel> o.O
[23:50] <BUGabundo> ?
[23:50] <yofel> that looks like an oil painting to me tbh.
[23:50] <BUGabundo> yep
[23:50] <BUGabundo> me too
[23:50] <yofel> never seen a picture like that
[23:50] <BUGabundo> see what I'm talking about?
[23:50] <BUGabundo> of this is cam, its going back right now
[23:50] <Tetsuo55> BUGabundo:  looks like a perfect example of wayyyyy to high iso for that amoung t light
[23:50] <BUGabundo> all photos look like that
[23:51] <BUGabundo> Tetsuo55: its on auto
[23:51] <Tetsuo55> try not using super fine
[23:51] <Tetsuo55> see what happens
[23:52] <Tetsuo55> maybe the auto isnt so smart, or exposure is too long, does it have a flash?
[23:52] <the_bot_died_las> hey is there an alternate installer for ubuntu 10.10
[23:52] <Kendalja> hello
[23:52] <BUGabundo> let me do a stupid thing: format the SD
[23:53] <BUGabundo> _they_ recommend it
[23:53] <Tetsuo55> that sounds pointless but go ahead
[23:53] <Kendalja> I am using Unetbootin to make a bootable usb 10.10 and it has been stuck on 4% for like 15mins now
[23:53] <Kendalja> but the usb activity light still is blinking
[23:53] <Tetsuo55> BUGabundo:  its cleary something wrong with the cameras ISO or shutter time
[23:54] <Tetsuo55> anyway gtg
[23:54] <Tetsuo55> nite
[23:54] <the_bot_died_las> is there an alternate installer for ubuntu 10.10
[23:56] <yofel> the_bot_died_las: there is
[23:56] <the_bot_died_las> can you link the torrent?
[23:56] <the_bot_died_las> of it?
[23:56] <Kendalja> ?
[23:57]  * yofel doesn't know anything about unetbootin
[23:57] <yofel> the_bot_died_las: of the daily iso?
[23:57] <yofel> wait, not sure if that even has a torrent
[23:57] <the_bot_died_las> of the alterternate installer iso
[23:57] <yofel> give me a minute
[23:57] <the_bot_died_las> k
[23:58] <Kendalja> how can I see in CLI if something is writing to my usb>?
[23:59] <yofel> the_bot_died_las: scroll to the bottom and select the torrent of the alternate cd you need http://ftp.stw-bonn.de/ubuntu-cd//10.10/