[00:40] <Eickmeyer> cyphermox: Okay, so in reading the policy, this needs to happen: by installing calf-plugins, calf-ladspa needs to be removed. The two will conflict, and since calf-ladspa is depricated, calf-plugins nees to provide, confict, and replace.
[00:41] <Eickmeyer> Basically, the root of much of the crashing problems (and in my experience, confirmed by the github issue I linked above) is the calf-ladspa package.
[00:42] <Eickmeyer> Am I correct with provides, conflicts, AND replaces?
[18:37] <captain-tux> Hi! o/
[18:37] <Eickmeyer> Hi!
[18:38]  * Eickmeyer isn't feeling too well, bad side-effect of a medication he's on.
[18:39] <captain-tux> Ugh.. what have you done?
[18:41] <Eickmeyer> I have restless leg syndrome, so my dr put me on a medication and had me ramp it up to the highest dose. I don't think the highest dose is good for me.
[18:43] <captain-tux> Oh, not cool.
[18:50] <eylul> hi and yikes
[18:50] <eylul> Today I realized I completely forgot to do the pdf/epub of the guide.
[18:50] <eylul> on it now
[18:52] <Eickmeyer> Oh cool! The handbook got some press this week.
[18:52] <Eickmeyer> I figure with the edits regarding VST plugins we're okay.
[18:53] <eylul> yeah the omgbuntu article might have reminded me of it ;)
[18:54] <Eickmeyer> Cool. Just going to do a copy/paste? I can get you a larger version of the cover if you'd like.
[18:56] <eylul> actually unless we go for a print version we don't need a much higher resolution.. (I think)
[18:56] <eylul> let me double check
[18:56]  * eylul is having a tiny bit of an issue logging to the wiki
[18:58] <Eickmeyer> I've had to let the login page just sit there. Quite annoying.
[19:00] <eylul> yep it just took forever. :)
[19:01] <Eickmeyer> Okay, here we go...
[19:01] <Eickmeyer> #startmeeting
[19:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Sat Jul  7 19:01:39 2018 UTC.  The chair is Eickmeyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[19:01] <Eickmeyer> #chair krytarik eylul captain-tux OvenWerks
[19:01] <meetingology> Current chairs: Eickmeyer OvenWerks captain-tux eylul krytarik
[19:02]  * Eickmeyer hopes he's not forgetting anyone
[19:02] <Eickmeyer> Anyhow... I guess we can get started.
[19:02] <Eickmeyer> We can continue the conversation we were having just before I hit the button RE: Handbook
[19:02] <Eickmeyer> #topic Audio Handbook
[19:03] <Eickmeyer> eylul: You said you were working on the pdf and epub, and I mentioned I could get you a larger version of the cover. My reasoning was because the small version wouldn't translate to a full-page cover on a PDF very well.
[19:03] <Eickmeyer> I also added "by Peter Reppert and the Ubuntu Studio team" to the bottom-left-corner.
[19:04] <Eickmeyer> er, bottom right corner
[19:04]  * Eickmeyer doesn't know his left from his right today... ask captain-tux.
[19:04] <eylul> haha
[19:04] <eylul> ok email it to me?
[19:04] <Eickmeyer> Yep. Can do.
[19:04] <Eickmeyer> Just gotta get Krita to export a PNG, probably just need the library installed.
[19:05] <eylul> should I create a PPA for myself and stick the epub in there along with the pdf output?
[19:05] <eylul> epub can serve as source code
[19:05] <Eickmeyer> Not a bad idea.
[19:05] <eylul> until we find a good way to export epub/pdf directly out of wiki that is
[19:05] <Eickmeyer> Then we can publish there and link to it. I was just going to do an attachment in the wiki and link it.
[19:05] <Eickmeyer> But, I like your idea better.
[19:06] <eylul> it should ideally be a PPA in the ubuntustudio assets
[19:06] <eylul> but I assume if I can SOMEHOW put it into a dev ppa, you can pull it easily enough from there
[19:06] <Eickmeyer> That's easy to do. Just make a local git repo and git push to lp:~eylul/ubuntustudio/+git/handbook or something like that.
[19:07] <Eickmeyer> Or, just do it the easy way. :)
[19:07] <eylul> which is?
[19:07] <Eickmeyer> dput? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[19:07] <OvenWerks> I am sure we could make it one of the ubuntustudio-core owned subs
[19:08] <Eickmeyer> Yeah.
[19:08] <OvenWerks> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-documentation
[19:08] <OvenWerks> eylul: you are a member there anyway.
[19:09] <Eickmeyer> So, one just needs to create a ppa under that.
[19:09] <eylul> yep but you know me and versioning software.
[19:09] <OvenWerks> the git can be under that too: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-documentation
[19:09] <eylul> ok lets figure this out after the meeting I don't want to hog the time
[19:09]  * Eickmeyer gives a thumbsup
[19:10] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: You good with assisting with that?
[19:10] <OvenWerks> ok
[19:10] <Eickmeyer> #action eylul to create epub & pdf and upload to -documentation team ppa, OvenWerks to assist
[19:10] <meetingology> ACTION: eylul to create epub & pdf and upload to -documentation team ppa, OvenWerks to assist
[19:11] <Eickmeyer> Reason being is that it seems eylul and versioning software don't get along. :)
[19:11] <OvenWerks> I don't know if I will be available right after meeting... but I will work with it.
[19:11] <Eickmeyer> Cool
[19:11] <eylul> :)
[19:11] <Eickmeyer> Cool, then.. moving right along...
[19:11] <Eickmeyer> #topic Progress Reports
[19:12] <Eickmeyer> #subtopic ubuntustudio-controls
[19:12] <OvenWerks> ready to test, ready to release...
[19:12] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Is this ready for upload?
[19:12] <OvenWerks> I need bug reports to do much else
[19:13] <Eickmeyer> Sweet.  Let's give cyphermox, tsimonq2, and or Ross the heads-up on this.
[19:13] <Eickmeyer> (they will probably see this, but Ross will need an email)
[19:14] <OvenWerks> The best test case is to install on a non-ubuntustudio flavour to test rt fix
[19:14] <OvenWerks> (worked for me)
[19:14] <Eickmeyer> Gotcha. Truth be told, I'm on a Kubuntu install that I converted to Ubuntu Studio at the moment.
[19:15] <Eickmeyer> -controls seems to run rather smoothly in my setup, but qjackctl doesn't like it, and other than Catia I have yet to find a good way to monitor Jack with it running from -controls.
[19:16] <OvenWerks> carla works too.
[19:16] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, but carla doesn't show xruns.
[19:16] <OvenWerks> if qjackctl is started after jack is running it works fine
[19:16] <eylul> we did have a few new people who offered to help. we could reach out to them too, and ask them to test the daily image? assuming it will be there?
[19:16] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, most have said they'd be up for testing.
[19:18] <Eickmeyer> Well, should we have them subscribe to the Autobuilds PPA?
[19:19] <eylul> we should probably contact them via email first
[19:19] <eylul> then surprise. :)
[19:19] <OvenWerks> Is there anything else in there that may be a problem?
[19:19] <eylul> that's a good question
[19:20] <Eickmeyer> I'm subscribed to it and haven't seen any problems.
[19:20] <OvenWerks> ya it looks ok.
[19:21] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: it should be possible to build Catia separate from Cadence.
[19:21] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Not in my experience. It depends on carla-data.
[19:21] <Eickmeyer> er, cadence-data
[19:21] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: :)
[19:22] <OvenWerks> so maybe write a bug against -controls to show xruns as a start
[19:22] <Eickmeyer> When you install catia, it only pulls-in cadence-data, so cadence itself doesn't get pulled-in, though cadence will pull catia in.
[19:22] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Okay, I'll do that.
[19:22] <Eickmeyer> Okay. OvenWerks, do you want to do the call-for-testing email for -controls?
[19:22] <OvenWerks> I could detect cadence is installed and limit what controls can do in that case.
[19:23] <Eickmeyer> Oh, not a bad idea! That way I could get rid of the Breaks: line in the debian/control file.
[19:23] <OvenWerks> But I don't use cadence because it is quite intrusive
[19:23] <OvenWerks> Once cadence is installed, pulse will no longer start without cadence running.
[19:24] <Eickmeyer> Right, unless you edit ~/.pulse/client.conf
[19:24] <OvenWerks> That may be ok for audio users, but not for graphics only users
[19:24] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. I don't think cadence should be installed by default, but it has been requested.
[19:24] <OvenWerks> hopefully a good -controls will help that not to be needed
[19:25] <OvenWerks> I will write the email. I was hoping for a release first though.
[19:25] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. Honestly, the features in Cadence, aside from the pulse bridge, are available in Catia alone.
[19:25] <OvenWerks> I will include how to add the autobuilds PPA
[19:25] <Eickmeyer> Cool.
[19:26] <Eickmeyer> #action OvenWerks to put a call-for-testing out to the -devel ML, instructions to add autobuild PPA.
[19:26] <meetingology> ACTION: OvenWerks to put a call-for-testing out to the -devel ML, instructions to add autobuild PPA.
[19:26] <Eickmeyer> Shall we move on to the next topic?
[19:26] <OvenWerks> I have no more for that
[19:26] <Eickmeyer> Cool.
[19:26] <Eickmeyer> #subtopic ubuntustudio-plasma
[19:27] <Eickmeyer> Any progress?
[19:27] <OvenWerks> not really.
[19:27] <OvenWerks> I have been working on Ardour for the past few weeks.
[19:28] <OvenWerks> I will have a seed up soon, after that I don't know how to go about getting a second ISO built
[19:28] <Eickmeyer> Okay. I noticed a cool file in /etc that configures the "About This System" to customize the distro & logo.
[19:29] <Eickmeyer> That sould be a matter of contacting the release team.
[19:29] <OvenWerks> which file?
[19:30] <Eickmeyer> Trying to remember...
[19:30]  * OvenWerks notes that changing the os-release file may have odd problems
[19:31] <Eickmeyer> Nah, it's a simple little config file specifically for the plasma system info app.
[19:31] <OvenWerks> Ah, ok
[19:32] <Eickmeyer> KInfoCenter
[19:33] <Eickmeyer> /etc/xdg/kcm-about-distrorc
[19:33] <Eickmeyer> That's it.
[19:33] <Eickmeyer> Anyhow, anything else on this topic?
[19:33] <OvenWerks> ok, I will be doing the plasma seed as a bzr repo for now. I don't know how they want git repos set
[19:34] <Eickmeyer> They might not want seeds as git yet for all I know.
[19:34] <Eickmeyer> tsimonq2 would have more info.
[19:34] <OvenWerks> I know they wated master with branch per cycle or something like that
[19:34] <OvenWerks> bzr has repo per cycle
[19:35] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. Branch per cycle makes sense.
[19:35] <OvenWerks> (or maybe even tag per cyce)
[19:35] <Eickmeyer> Yeah.
[19:35] <Eickmeyer> Shall we move on?
[19:36] <OvenWerks> ok]
[19:36] <Eickmeyer> #subtopic Plymouth Theme
[19:36] <Eickmeyer> eylul: Any progress?
[19:37] <Eickmeyer> (looks like we may need to come back to this)
[19:38] <Eickmeyer> Okay, moving along for now. eylul, if you come back, we'll go back to this topic.
[19:38] <Eickmeyer> #subtopic Website theme and backend access)
[19:39] <Eickmeyer> Still roadblocked on this one. Honestly, I haven't been working too much on the administrative end on this, the past two weeks have been crazy and I've been learning a lot about packaging.
[19:39] <Eickmeyer> So, that's my progress report.
[19:39] <Eickmeyer> Anybody have anything to add?
[19:40] <eylul> no progress on plymouth theme
[19:40] <Eickmeyer> Okay.
[19:40] <Eickmeyer> No worries.
[19:40] <Eickmeyer> :)
[19:40] <eylul> :)
[19:40] <Eickmeyer> #subtopic Packaging for Carla
[19:40] <OvenWerks> please test?
[19:41] <Eickmeyer> So, I've got it packaged in a very dirty way, and it doesn't include the wine bridges, which looks like they have to be packaged separately to keep carla from pulling-in wine.
[19:41] <OvenWerks> same as lmms
[19:41] <Eickmeyer> I ran into a compilation error on the 32-bit side where it just plain wouldn't compile even though I had the right dependencies and everything.
[19:43] <Eickmeyer> So, that's where I'm at. Testing Carla would probably be good, but since it's just a git snapshot with a /debian directory added, any bug reports will have to be reported upstream.
[19:44] <Eickmeyer> Any questions?
[19:45] <Eickmeyer> Okay, moving along
[19:45] <Eickmeyer> #topic Discussion
[19:45] <Eickmeyer> #subtopic Replacing lightdm with sddm
[19:45] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I believe this was your idea.
[19:46] <OvenWerks> ya
[19:46] <Eickmeyer> The floor is yours, my friend. :)
[19:47] <OvenWerks> It deals with wayland sessions better
[19:47] <Eickmeyer> Would this be something we can or should do this cycle?
[19:48] <OvenWerks> I noticed that when I added plasma, that it gave two entries in the login page using lightdm. As happens the first one was really for plasma with wayland and so failed.
[19:48] <OvenWerks> it failed in such a way that I needed to reboot
[19:48] <Eickmeyer> Yikes
[19:49] <Eickmeyer> And, from what I saw you write before, sddm doesn't have this problem.
[19:49] <OvenWerks> using the sddm at least puts a (wayland) behind anything for that
[19:50] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. And from what I've seen, sddm is fairly customizable, so we could even come up with our own theme from that.
[19:50] <OvenWerks> Now it is possible to configure both sddm and lightdm to look in a different directory for the desktop files, so that is another solution.
[19:50] <OvenWerks> that is another thing.
[19:52] <OvenWerks> US-plasma will probably, at first come with sddm
[19:52] <OvenWerks> so maybe test it there
[19:53] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. So, maybe hold-off on switching xfce to sddm until next cycle?
[19:53] <OvenWerks> wayland is coming... so is fusion power
[19:53] <OvenWerks> I think we should consider it testing this cycle if we can get us-plasma going
[19:54] <Eickmeyer> Okay. So, we'll focus on us-plasma then and having that use sddm. The default breeze theme for sddm in Plasma 5.13 is really pretty.
[19:54] <OvenWerks> If people really like it, I think it would not be hard to switch
[19:54] <Eickmeyer> We could take that and customize it to use our US background.
[19:54] <OvenWerks> yes
[19:54] <Eickmeyer> Cool. I like this idea.
[19:55] <Eickmeyer> So, we'll test this cycle and implement in Xfce if all goes well.
[19:55] <OvenWerks> eylul: as an aside, I have taken the jpg and reloaded it as a png, but it may be better to use a png made from the original.
[19:57] <eylul> jpg of...
[19:57] <eylul> the background.
[19:57] <Eickmeyer> #action sddm to be default display manager in Ubuntu Studio Plasma. If it goes well, look at making it default for Ubuntu Studio Xfce.
[19:57] <meetingology> ACTION: sddm to be default display manager in Ubuntu Studio Plasma. If it goes well, look at making it default for Ubuntu Studio Xfce.
[19:58] <eylul> The original is a tif and jpg that were edited in photography. It is in my todo list to check what can be done to reduce the file size.
[19:58] <eylul> I'll just roll that into it? I just didn't have a lot of time to experiment with tracing etc
[19:59] <Eickmeyer> I'd say just convert the tif to png and replace what's already there.
[19:59] <OvenWerks> The png is there now so there is no rush
[19:59] <eylul> I do have it converted... somewhere
[19:59] <eylul> I'll email it
[19:59] <OvenWerks> that sounds good.
[19:59] <Eickmeyer> Excellent. :)
[19:59] <Eickmeyer> BTW, it's my background now. :)
[20:00] <eylul> :))))
[20:00] <Eickmeyer> Okay, speaking of wallpapers...
[20:00] <OvenWerks> Ya, it is in autobuilds
[20:00] <eylul> I also was planning to do several color versions. epub/pdf first that next. then I will look into the plymouth theme?
[20:00] <Eickmeyer> #subtopic Wallpaper Contest
[20:00] <Eickmeyer> eylul: Absolutely.
[20:00] <Eickmeyer> So, we had talked about the Ubuntu Studio users coming up with wallpapers of their own.
[20:01] <Eickmeyer> Showcasing the best  of the US community.
[20:01] <Eickmeyer> I think with all the other flavors doing their wallpaper contests, we should start ours.
[20:01] <Eickmeyer> Question is, where should we host it?
[20:01] <eylul> we have had one...
[20:02] <eylul> for 16.04 possibly?
[20:02] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I saw some stuff for 16.04.
[20:02] <OvenWerks> That sounds like the last one.
[20:02] <Eickmeyer> Should we have people link us their work and post it on the wiki, then vote on the top 10?
[20:02] <Eickmeyer> Or, vote to create a top 10?
[20:02] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: I would argue that all new seeds need to be Git.
[20:03] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: There's our answer. tsimonq2, I think OvenWerks is going to need some help with that down the road.
[20:03] <Eickmeyer> #chair tsimonq2
[20:03] <meetingology> Current chairs: Eickmeyer OvenWerks captain-tux eylul krytarik tsimonq2
[20:03] <OvenWerks> tsimonq2: ok, so just load it with no cosmic?
[20:03] <tsimonq2> OvenWerks: Huh?
[20:04] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Sure.
[20:04] <OvenWerks> in bzr we have: lp:~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio.cosmic
[20:04] <Eickmeyer> #action tsimonq2 to assist OvenWerks with ubuntustudio-plasma seed
[20:04] <meetingology> ACTION: tsimonq2 to assist OvenWerks with ubuntustudio-plasma seed
[20:05] <OvenWerks> for git it would be just ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntustudio?
[20:05] <tsimonq2> Look at how Lubuntu does it :) https://git.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/lubuntu
[20:05] <OvenWerks> ok
[20:05] <tsimonq2> So https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntustudio
[20:05] <OvenWerks> tsimonq2: we want a second iso ubuntustudio-plasma, same thing?
[20:06] <tsimonq2> OvenWerks: That needs some tweaks in lp:livecd-rootfs, lp:ubuntu-cdimage, and a few other misc places, but essentially, yes.
[20:07] <OvenWerks> I expect I don't have access for the rest :)
[20:07] <Eickmeyer> So, once we have the seed, is it a matter of contacting the release team?
[20:07] <tsimonq2> OvenWerks: Instead of https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntustudio you would have https://git.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntustudio-plasma
[20:07] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Yep.
[20:07] <tsimonq2> (I don't have access either :) )
[20:07] <OvenWerks> Ok, I will do that
[20:07] <Eickmeyer> So, then infinity and slangasek are our contacts once we have the seed ready.
[20:08] <tsimonq2> It's generally useful to talk to someone who is an Archive Administrator, is on the Release Team, and works for Canonical. I always personally bug infinity and slangasek (<3) but there are other options too, depending on who you're comfortable with.
[20:09] <Eickmeyer> slanasek has always been cool with me.
[20:09] <tsimonq2> ("Works for Canonical" is not something I usually look for, but in this case, they have SSH access as Canonical employees where I don't.)
[20:09] <tsimonq2> Eickmeyer: Then there you go. :)
[20:10] <tsimonq2> Once you have a seed for Plasma, you'll need a separate metapackage.
[20:10] <tsimonq2> I can help with getting that uploaded.
[20:11] <Eickmeyer> Okay, cool. I'm starting to run low on time, so I think we need to get back to the wallpaper contest.
[20:11] <tsimonq2> Thanks. :)
[20:11] <Eickmeyer> No, thank YOU!
[20:12] <Eickmeyer> :)
[20:12] <Eickmeyer> So, how should users submit their creation? Email us a link and we post that on the wiki? Then we vote at a later time?
[20:13]  * OvenWerks needs to go as well, my lovely Laura is calling. :)
[20:13] <eylul> :)))
[20:14] <Eickmeyer> Okay, we'll table the rest of the topics for next meeting.
[20:14] <Eickmeyer> Everybody okay with that?
[20:14] <eylul> I can sort out how we could theorically do the uploading, have them email and then put it somewhere in website. the voting part. I'd really look into how we did it last time
[20:14] <eylul> because I came in right after it happened.
[20:14] <Eickmeyer> Okay. Sounds good.
[20:15] <Eickmeyer> #action eylul to look into how the last wallpaper contest was run
[20:15] <meetingology> ACTION: eylul to look into how the last wallpaper contest was run
[20:15] <eylul> errr
[20:15] <eylul> haha actually I was hoping we could ask on email.
[20:15] <Eickmeyer> #undo
[20:15] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION
[20:15] <eylul> I think the person who ran it might still be around
[20:15] <Eickmeyer> Okay, then we can take the discussion to email. :)
[20:15] <eylul> *nods*
[20:16]  * eylul really doesn't want to take on more work, before clearing the backlog
[20:16] <Eickmeyer> Okay, well, the next topic is something that can wait (replacing abandoned patchage with Catia).
[20:16] <eylul> *nods*
[20:16] <Eickmeyer> Just something to think about.
[20:17] <Eickmeyer> And the installability of Cadence is something I can work on with OvenWerks throughout the next two weeks.
[20:17] <Eickmeyer> Everybody okay with ending the meeting here?
[20:17] <eylul> from a user perspective I love patchage, and if catia has the same tools it would be wonderful to have it. (I use carla, as a sort of replacement, but it doesn't show alsa midi inputs)
[20:17] <eylul> (otherwise is wonderful)
[20:17] <eylul> yes for me
[20:17] <Eickmeyer> Catia shows alsa midi inputs, but it's considered experimental. :/
[20:18] <eylul> :)
[20:18] <Eickmeyer> Allrighty then...
[20:18] <Eickmeyer> #endmeeting
[20:18] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sat Jul  7 20:18:13 2018 UTC.
[20:18] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntustudio-devel/2018/ubuntustudio-devel.2018-07-07-19.01.moin.txt
[20:18] <eylul> Carla shows jack midi inputs btw
[20:18] <eylul> just not alsa ones
[20:18] <Eickmeyer> Yeah.
[20:18] <eylul> I won't be done with the epub tonight. this basically turned into, manually coding everything which will be a bit slow.
[20:19] <eylul> but... please send me the image asap so that I do replace it
[20:19] <Eickmeyer> Absolutely.
[20:19] <eylul> (and yes the one we have on wiki is REALLY tiny ;) )
[20:19] <Eickmeyer> I'll get right on that.
[20:19] <eylul> also who should be the preface credited to?
[20:19] <eylul> you or Ubuntu Studio team.
[20:19] <Eickmeyer> You can credit me for the preface.
[20:19] <eylul> *goes to write it*
[20:20] <Eickmeyer> Okay, I'll get that to you in the next 30 minutes.
[20:20] <Eickmeyer> I'll get the meeting notes out later this evening.
[20:20]  * Eickmeyer always feels good after these meetings, we get stuff DONE! :)
[20:20] <eylul> thanks :)
[20:21] <eylul> doing the releases is a bit of a messy procedure, in that we do need to redo everything, or reflect the changes to wiki manually (which I think will be at least direct copy paste of the whole page, but makes editing the epub required step, rather than doing so at the wiki) I don't have a good answer to this yet
[20:22] <eylul> but I'd rather have the epub/pdf out, then figure it out
[20:27] <Eickmeyer> Email is away
[20:28] <eylul> thanks :)
[20:29] <eylul> received :)


[12:42] <Vej> Could someone please triage https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deja-dup/+bug/1472598 and set the importance as "Low" (Bug that affect a non-essential aspect and limited scope of the application)? I want to forward this to upstream afterwards.
[14:14] <rbasak> Vej: done. Thank you for taking care of sending this upstream.
[15:49] <Vej> rbasak: Thanks. Could you also set this to triaged please?
[16:04] <rbasak> Vej: done. Sorry, I didn't interpret your request as asking for that, but I see what you meant now.
[16:05] <Vej> rbasak: No Problem and thanks again.


[21:06] <gem-cat> its been a long time since i a last installed lamp -everything looks different - is there a usable guide somewhere?


[01:52] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Debian is about as unfrozen as it gets.
[05:30] <cortexA9> testing the daily of today
[05:30] <cortexA9> downloading right now
[05:31] <cortexA9> in live environment
[07:14] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:49] <jussi> hrrr
[07:49] <jussi> my saucy wont login...
[07:50]  * jussi tries the guest session
[07:50] <jussi> meh. logs into ubuntu just fine
[07:50] <jussi> wonder whats up...
[07:52] <lordievader> jussi: Had that yesterday too, updated and rebooted. Things worked fine again.
[07:52] <jussi> hrr, I guess Ill have to reboot (updated, but not rebooted)
[08:18] <cortexA9> all ok with the daily of today.
[08:35] <Riddell> cortexA9: can you mark your reports on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/303/builds for the beta?
[08:35] <cortexA9> yes Riddell
[08:36] <cortexA9> i did it
[08:37] <yofel> Riddell: didn't we have an installer icon in some obvious place in plasma-netbook live session in the past?
[08:38] <Riddell> yofel: mm that's a known but that I had hoped to get round to fixing but haven't yet
[08:39] <Riddell> cortexA9: lovely
[08:39] <cortexA9> Riddell: there are other isos about the nexus 7 ?
[08:40] <yofel> hm, images got respun I see
[08:40] <yofel> Riddell: wifi setup still doesn't work in dm-ubiquity
[08:41] <yofel> can we remove that before release?
[08:43] <cortexA9> oh this plasma-active-4-armv7hl-google-nexus7.tar.gz
[08:49] <Riddell> yofel: I want to check if ubuntu unity has the same issue then work out what to do
[08:50] <yofel> ack
[08:51] <Riddell> cortexA9: you can try that but note that plasma active generally doesn't work just now (individual bits work but not the whole setup) so the nexus will be even more broken
[08:54] <cortexA9> Riddell: did a package for multirom eheh testing right now
[08:59] <smartboyhw> Riddell, BTW why does dh still calls dh_pysupport instead of dh_python2 when the former one is deprecated? We still have to explicitly call --with python2......
[09:04] <yofel> file a bug against debhelper? ^^
[09:04] <yofel> we're like 3 months behind debian though, so checking there might be good too
[09:05] <yofel> though I wonder what the new default should be. --with python2,python3 ?
[09:12] <smartboyhw> yofel, dunno
[09:12] <smartboyhw> Ubuntu will want default = python3
[09:14] <smartboyhw> yofel, hmm, it is fixed in upstream
[09:14] <smartboyhw> Debian
[09:15] <Riddell> not something ubuntu wants to differ on from debian that
[09:15] <smartboyhw> Ouch, that's dh_python instead
[09:52] <smartboyhw> yofel, ah, I get it
[09:52] <smartboyhw> If compat = 9, dh_pysupport will simply not be run
[09:57] <apachelogger> good thing we concluded that compat has no reasonable impact :P
[09:58] <cortexA9> Riddell: i am in ssh on my nexus 7 :D
[09:58] <cortexA9> with the plasma active 4
[09:58] <cortexA9> hehe
[09:58] <cortexA9> it's good.
[09:58] <Riddell> cortexA9: err, wow, really?
[09:59] <Riddell> cortexA9: take a photo!
[09:59] <cortexA9> yea
[09:59] <cortexA9> lol
[09:59] <Riddell> does it just load up and plasma active is all running?
[09:59] <Riddell> cos that's not the case on the i386 image
[09:59] <cortexA9> no i have to do a package multirom
[09:59] <Riddell> cortexA9: what's one of those?
[09:59] <Riddell> hi vassie
[10:00] <cortexA9> it's an application
[10:00] <vassie> Hello Riddell
[10:00] <cortexA9> for select
[10:00] <cortexA9> the roms
[10:00] <cortexA9> in the begin
[10:00] <cortexA9> hello wassie
[10:00] <cortexA9> *vassie
[10:00] <vassie> :) Hello
[10:00] <vassie> brb
[10:01] <cortexA9> Riddell: it's ok but i have a problem
[10:01] <cortexA9> ssh freeze
[10:01] <cortexA9> after some minutes
[10:03] <cortexA9> i think there is a protection
[10:03] <cortexA9> with the wifi network
[10:04]  * Riddell notices the image from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/daily-preinstalled/20130227/ is from february
[10:04] <Riddell> so that's running an older plasma active
[10:04] <Riddell> which explains it
[10:04] <cortexA9> oh Riddell
[10:05] <cortexA9> i have downloaded it from kde.org
[10:05] <cortexA9> the image 4.0
[10:05] <cortexA9> of today
[10:07] <Riddell> oh I see, not a kubuntu one, that makes more sense then
[10:08] <cortexA9> yes sorry Riddell
[10:08] <cortexA9> not the right channel to talk
[10:08] <cortexA9> hehe
[10:26] <Riddell> cortexA9: no that's fine, we need to look at kubuntu active and decide what to do with it
[10:26] <cortexA9> Riddell:  oh there is kubuntu active ?
[10:27] <smartboyhw> There is
[10:27] <cortexA9> good
[10:27] <Riddell> there is but for whatever reason it doesn't start up
[10:27] <Riddell> plasma-device starts ok when I run it on its own
[10:27] <Riddell> but the full session login doesn't work
[10:27] <Riddell> so that needs debugged
[10:27] <Riddell> volunteers welcome :)
[10:28] <cortexA9> sorry i am not a dev
[10:28] <cortexA9> hehe
[10:28] <Riddell> not yet :)
[10:33] <smartboyhw> No time, sorry, testing in ubuntu Studio (and found a bug, presumably)
[10:57] <vassie> i'm back
[10:57] <Riddell> it's... vassie!
[10:57] <Riddell> vassie: able to join in the beta candidates testing?
[10:57] <vassie> sure
[10:59] <vassie> quick question, is there anyway to fix this before 4.11.2? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/1225347
[11:00] <vassie> where to i get the beta from btw?
[11:03] <Riddell> vassie: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/303/builds
[11:03] <vassie> Riddell: Thanks
[11:04] <yofel> vassie: that bug is already fixed in 4.11.2
[11:04] <apachelogger> yofel: oh, there were problems with runtime ... you forgot to change the package to arch:any in your sed change, leading to broken path setup on amd64
[11:04] <apachelogger> all fixed now
[11:04] <yofel> ouch
[11:04] <vassie> yofel: I know, but 4.11.2 is not out yet
[11:04] <yofel> thanks
[11:05] <yofel> vassie: I thought we had fixed that...
[11:05] <vassie> yofel: nope, i cannot pin anything to my task bar
[11:06] <yofel> what release are you on?
[11:06] <apachelogger> also there's magic scripts setup... if one appends PROMOTE to the snapshot-daily ppa description it will get promoted automagically after <=30 minutes to snapshot-weekly, that along with the sync script is now in ~neon/project-neon5/syncer
[11:14] <vassie> yofel: raring
[11:15] <yofel> hm, I see, this was never backported :/
[11:15] <yofel> I'll do so later
[11:15] <vassie> sweet, thanks
[11:23] <shadeslayer> yofel: so I fixed virtuoso by passing add-missing to automake
[11:23] <shadeslayer> instead of linking it manually
[11:24] <shadeslayer> which seems like a better fix to me
[11:27] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1183030] package plasma-widgets-workspace 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying to ov... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1183030 (by Fila Kolodny)
[11:36] <yofel> ack
[12:03] <ScottK> apachelogger: It was standards version we concluded not to update, not compat.
[12:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: I was talking about one of the grilling questions that had to do with compat :P
[12:04] <ScottK> Oh.  OK.
[12:34] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:35] <Riddell> hi BluesKaj, able to do any beta 2 candidate testing?
[12:36] <BluesKaj> yes Riddell I suppose
[12:36] <Riddell> great
[12:39] <BluesKaj> I can do a clean install image ...have a couple of empty partitions for / and /home , if that's what's needed.
[12:43] <Riddell> yeah that would be great
[12:43] <BluesKaj> ok , got a url ?
[12:44] <BluesKaj> i see the beta1 site is "up"
[12:44] <Riddell> BluesKaj: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/303/builds
[12:44] <Riddell> this will be beta 2
[12:50] <BluesKaj> ok Riddell DLing
[13:00] <shadeslayer> virtuoso fixed as well
[13:00]  * shadeslayer does some Beta 2 QA
[13:00] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: ta da http://ro.kubuntu.org/
[13:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: awooga
[13:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what was up with it?
[13:01] <ovidiu-florin> yeeey
[13:01] <ovidiu-florin> I was just about to ask you
[13:01] <ovidiu-florin> :D
[13:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: so automake 1.13 introduced this new file called a test-driver
[13:01] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: anything else needed or can we announce it?
[13:01] <cortexA9> Riddell
[13:01] <cortexA9> some new isos for today ?
[13:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: which is not generated in the virtuoso tarball
[13:01] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, well I usually turn nepomuk and akonadi off
[13:01] <cortexA9> 24.1 ?
[13:01] <cortexA9> :P
[13:01] <cortexA9> yes me too
[13:02] <cortexA9> nepomuk always
[13:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/p02dc4496/
[13:02]  * vHanda should leave
[13:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we should sync virtuoso-opensource next cycle though
[13:02] <Riddell> cortexA9: yes we have new candidates today http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/303/builds
[13:02] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: a loco Mail List ?
[13:02] <shadeslayer> sync/merge , whatever is appropriate
[13:03] <shadeslayer> because Debian has multiarch'd virtuoso
[13:03] <Riddell> shadeslayer: lovely
[13:03] <shadeslayer> yofel says there will be some issues with soprano, so let's see
[13:03] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: I was going to announce on my blog and kubuntu.org
[13:03] <shadeslayer> vHanda: why? :(
[13:04] <cortexA9> Riddell: cool
[13:04] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: the announcement sounds great
[13:04] <vHanda> irc complaints are depressing
[13:04] <Riddell> nepomuk rocks!
[13:05] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I was asking for a mail list for Kubuntu-ro
[13:05] <cortexA9> hehe
[13:05] <vHanda> haha. Thank you Johnathan!
[13:05] <Riddell> alt-f2 search in files very useful
[13:05] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: or is that canonical sysadmins again?
[13:05] <vHanda> Riddell: try out milou?
[13:05] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yes that'll be canonical sysadmin, and it may well be an idea to use any existing ubuntu-ro mailing list
[13:05] <BluesKaj> Riddell, I have no need for nepomuk , as a home user
[13:06] <Riddell> milou will change that
[13:06] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: will do
[13:06] <Riddell> vHanda: it's on my todo
[13:07] <yofel> what's milou?
[13:07] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: thank you
[13:08] <yofel> bug 1229700 o.O
[13:08] <cortexA9> what akonadi do ?
[13:09] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw, I am no longer in the future :(
[13:09] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, welcome to the cruel reality:)
[13:10] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: you are in the future however
[13:11] <Riddell> yofel: milou is shadeslayer's spotlight style desktop search applet
[13:11] <shadeslayer> mine?
[13:11] <shadeslayer> great
[13:11] <Riddell> um no
[13:11] <Riddell> yofel: milou is vHanda's spotlight style desktop search applet
[13:11] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, huh?
[13:11] <shadeslayer> vHanda can do all the work, and I take credit :P
[13:11] <smartboyhw> I'm always in the present:P
[13:11] <yofel> lol :)
[13:11] <Riddell> getting my catalonians confused
[13:12] <yofel> vHanda++
[13:12]  * vHanda is okay with that as long as shadeslayer's gets the blame as well
[13:12] <shadeslayer> no no, see that
[13:12] <shadeslayer> *see that's my evil plan
[13:12] <shadeslayer> take all the credit
[13:12] <shadeslayer> forward blame
[13:16] <shadeslayer> HDD's are so slow :(
[13:23] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: ping, over here :)
[13:23] <ovidiu-florin> oh... sorry
[13:23] <ovidiu-florin> wrong channel
[13:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no, now you are in the past
[13:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: as are you then?
[13:28] <apachelogger> no
[13:28] <apachelogger> I show my face before noon :P
[13:29] <shadeslayer> just because I'm not on IRC doesn't mean I'm not here :P
[13:29] <shadeslayer> here being the office
[13:29] <apachelogger> riiight :P
[13:31] <apachelogger> oh great now I forgot what branch I was in :@
[13:34] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: how do I say Kubuntu Romania in Romanian?
[13:34] <ovidiu-florin> what context?
[13:35] <smartboyhw> I think it's writing
[13:35] <smartboyhw> (Since I have a hunch that Riddell is writing a blog post)
[13:35] <ovidiu-florin> i get that
[13:36] <ovidiu-florin> but it could be: Kubuntu România or Comunitatea Kubuntu România
[13:36] <Riddell> just for the link on http://www.kubuntu.org/community for now
[13:36] <ovidiu-florin> Kubuntu România
[13:37] <BluesKaj> ok Riddell , here goes , just burned the beta 2 image , so wish me luck :)
[13:38] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: how's this? kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-românia
[13:38] <ovidiu-florin> we're planning on news and support
[13:39] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: updated and put on http://www.kubuntu.org/
[13:40] <ovidiu-florin> saw it
[13:40] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[13:41] <ovidiu-florin> I'm updating the wiki right now.. lot's of Ubuntu's there
[13:41] <soee> what is the date for saucy final release ?
[13:41]  * Riddell blogs http://blogs.kde.org/2013/09/24/kubuntu-rom%C3%A2nia
[13:41] <Riddell> soee: 1 month
[13:42] <soee> Riddell, ok so ill put it on my new laptop today :)
[13:42] <soee> and my old one will go to my parents, and ill install them kubuntu also :)
[14:14] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you been playing with tanglu?
[14:22] <davmor2> Riddell: I'm sorry tanglu?  that sounds like something you would use to stick essex girls together with
[14:23] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yes, so?
[14:23] <smartboyhw> davmor2, LOL
[14:24] <smartboyhw> Riddell, the libqinfinity update we mentioned before now finally surfaces: http://scummos.blogspot.com/2013/09/collaborative-text-editing-02-beta.html
[14:28] <Riddell> smartboyhw: rumbled, you updated kubuntu-meta using their version of deboostrap
[14:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ouch:(
[14:28] <Riddell> davmor2: I don't think I can comment since I've never liked the name kubuntu
[14:29] <davmor2> Riddell: hehe
[14:34] <shadeslayer> yofel: did you switch out workspace in Neon 4 to 4.11?
[14:35] <Riddell> ta da! https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/13.10ubuntu1
[14:36] <smartboyhw> Riddell, \o/
[14:36] <Riddell> now who remembers what we used to do with kubuntu docs, we have a link on the desktop somewhere?
[14:36] <shadeslayer> apparently yes
[14:36] <smartboyhw> yes
[14:36] <Riddell> but where and when?
[14:37]  * shadeslayer would prefer a lite version of the docs on the ISO itself
[15:00] <BluesKaj> ok , running beta 2 here , no crashes yet , altho i haven't tried to setup kmail yet :)
[15:02] <Riddell> lovely
[15:02] <Riddell> remember to report on iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[15:03]  * shadeslayer is almost done with the 32 bit iso
[15:03] <BluesKaj> FF looks absolutely retro , but I haven't rebooted since I setup the themes and fonts etc
[15:04] <Riddell> kubuntu netbook live link to ubiquity was done by casper script scripts/casper-bottom/37kubuntu_netbook_installer_link
[15:04] <BluesKaj> ok reboot
[15:04] <Riddell> but I removed that in 2010 and replaced with a patch in kdebase-workspace
[15:07] <ovidiu-florin> Can we get a trello board on kubuntu Romania?
[15:07] <ovidiu-florin> or how does this work?
[15:08] <ovidiu-florin> Should I make a new Organization?
[15:09] <Riddell> hum I'm not sure
[15:09] <Riddell> I think we can just make a board under kubuntu if you want
[15:11] <ovidiu-florin> which ever you think it's best
[15:11] <ovidiu-florin> I would like to keep the Romanian comunity in close contact with the official one
[15:13] <ovidiu-florin> can we get a board under kubuntu?
[15:13] <ovidiu-florin> no, wait
[15:14] <ovidiu-florin> You only allow members to write in it right?
[15:14] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yes, although we can add anyone as a member
[15:15] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: go wild https://trello.com/b/OxkEQ8dS/kubuntu-romania
[15:16] <ovidiu-florin> aaaa, so there's members by board not by organisation
[15:16] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[15:17] <ovidiu-florin> Can you make it publicly readable?
[15:18] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: done
[15:18] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[15:18] <Riddell> hmm kubuntu_netbook_favourites.diff in kde-workspace should add the link
[15:23] <shadeslayer> oh my
[15:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: OEM is kaput
[15:24] <Riddell> hmm
[15:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that'll be the same wifi issue as on standalone install
[15:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: the question is does ubuntu have it?
[15:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/p29dcb15f
[15:25] <shadeslayer> er
[15:26] <shadeslayer> http://i.imgur.com/QBriqe6.png
[15:26] <shadeslayer> looks like a NM issue
[15:27] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah known issue
[15:27] <Riddell> shadeslayer: agateau says it affects ubuntu too
[15:27] <shadeslayer> bug number?
[15:27] <shadeslayer> okie
[15:27] <Riddell> but I think that needs confirmed
[15:27] <Riddell> bug 1220193
[15:27] <shadeslayer> thx
[15:28] <shadeslayer> 32 bit all done then
[15:29]  * shadeslayer goes off to do KDE hacking
[16:18] <yofel> shadeslayer: workspace is 4.11 yeah
[16:19] <shadeslayer> okay
[18:01] <ovidiu-florin> what does flavor mean? in the fontext of ubuntu flavors?
[18:01] <ovidiu-florin> context*
[18:04] <BluesKaj> ovidiu-florin:  mostly differnt desktops like kde , xfce etc
[18:05] <ovidiu-florin> I know what it is
[18:05] <BluesKaj> well , you asked :)
[18:05] <ovidiu-florin> but what I mean it what does flavor mean? I mean what's the connection between Kubuntu and Ubuntu?
[18:06] <ovidiu-florin> besides that Kubuntu is based on Ubuntu
[18:09] <BluesKaj> kubuntu is a flavour of ubuntu, ubuntu being the core
[18:11] <ovidiu-florin> I'm asking this becouse someone from Ubuntu Romania started to rebuke me becouse I did not announce them that I'm working on the Kubuntu website.
[18:11] <ovidiu-florin> Kubuntu Romania website, I mean
[18:11] <ovidiu-florin> I haven't answered yet
[18:12] <BluesKaj> that depends on what his ubuntu definition is then
[18:12] <ovidiu-florin> should I have done that?
[18:12] <BluesKaj> is it exclusive or inclusive of the different ubuntu flavouirs
[18:13] <ovidiu-florin> I thougnt Kubuntu is a different distribution, isn't it?
[18:14] <BluesKaj> seems his defintion is ubuntu only , gtk/unity/gnome/gnome shell, and that's all , no kde xfce or other desktop environments
[18:15] <ovidiu-florin> Can someone please help me sort this out? what should I do?
[18:15] <BluesKaj> yes it's a distro unto itself , they all are but they are still defined as flavours
[18:16] <BluesKaj> maybe you should consult with the person who tried to rebuke you
[18:17] <BluesKaj> ask him what's allowed
[18:17] <BluesKaj> if he's administering the site
[18:18] <ovidiu-florin> He's the contact person for Ubuntu Romania
[18:18] <ovidiu-florin> does this have anything to do with what does the Kubuntu comunity do?
[18:21] <BluesKaj> perhaps he should be reminded or informed what ubuntu flavours really are and find out what's allowed , the if not allowed then consider setting up a kubuntu site with help or advice from the other kubuntu communities in other countries
[18:22] <BluesKaj> after it does look like ubuntu and kubuntu are going in different directions
[18:22] <BluesKaj> after all
[18:24] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj: the Kubuntu Romania site is set up here http://ro.kubuntu.org/ and has nothing to do with the http://ubuntu.ro site
[18:27] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: any opinions?
[18:28] <lordievader> Looks very Ubuntu targeted, so why should he object.
[19:11] <ScottK> I just replied on the list to the above question.
[19:11] <ScottK> ovidiu-florin: See my reply on the Kubuntu ML.  Does that help?
[19:12] <BluesKaj> well ,so far so good with beta 2 , I've set it up to my preferences , so I've rid the OS of kmail, kontact, ktorrent, network manager , modemmanager and added vlc , konversation and tixati
[19:13] <ovidiu-florin> thank you ScottK
[19:15] <ovidiu-florin> I agree that talking with them might help. But I don't feel that I did something wrong by not letting them know that I'm working on this
[19:16] <ovidiu-florin> I find their reaction rather upsetting
[19:17] <ScottK> I agree.
[19:17] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[19:18] <ScottK> They have no right to control what you are doing, on the other hand, improving communication is a good thing.
[19:19] <ScottK> You might ask them to add a link to the Kubuntu site from theirs.
[19:19] <ovidiu-florin> :))
[19:19] <ovidiu-florin> good joke
[19:19] <ScottK> No.  Seriously.  They should do it.
[19:19] <ovidiu-florin> not that I wouldn't
[19:19] <ovidiu-florin> but will they?
[19:20] <ScottK> They certainly won't if you don't ask.
[19:20] <ovidiu-florin> I'll write them an email
[19:21] <ScottK> Be nicer than you feel like being.
[19:21] <ScottK> (I confess this would be a challenge for me)
[19:23] <ovidiu-florin> My first reaction was: I'll send them this: Kubuntu != Ubuntu
[19:23] <ovidiu-florin> But I thought I'll ask you guys first
[19:24] <ScottK> Part of the problem is the work Ubuntu is heavily overloaded.
[19:24] <ScottK> It refers to the project, the Linux distribution, and a desktop flavor of that project.
[19:28] <ovidiu-florin> Why isn't Kubuntu completly separating itself from Canonical and Ubuntu? I mean, no strings attached?
[19:28] <ovidiu-florin> this is something I don't understand?
[19:28] <ovidiu-florin> will this happen when wayland comes?
[19:28] <ovidiu-florin> or?
[19:31] <soee> lates daily build - saucy
[19:31] <soee> during installation when i want to connect to wifi installer crashes :)
[19:33] <yofel> soee: bug 1220193 - either go through the live session or use a wire
[19:34] <soee> yofel, ill just skip it
[19:34] <ovidiu-florin> that installer crashes awfly a lot.
[19:35] <ovidiu-florin> last week it crashe don me when I clicked next on the User info page
[19:38] <soee> :P
[19:39] <soee> i skipped wifi part and its almost finished
[19:41] <ovidiu-florin> Kubuntu Romania is now on Distrowatch
[19:41] <ovidiu-florin> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=kubuntu
[19:41] <ovidiu-florin> wohooooo
[19:41] <ovidiu-florin> who do we have to thank for this?
[19:48] <soee> uhm only english language is available ?
[19:49] <yofel> huh?
[19:49] <soee> in Available languages i see only British  English :M
[19:51] <soee> Additional drivers fails to start :)
[19:52] <yofel> oh drat, there was that jockey issue
[19:52] <yofel> lordievader: didn't you try to fix that? how far did you get?
[19:52] <yofel> soee: available languages in system settings?
[19:52] <soee> yofel, yes
[19:52] <yofel> hm, refresh you package cache, should  work then (I think)
[19:53] <yofel> shadeslayer: so your cache generation work ended nowhere? ^^
[19:53] <BluesKaj> jockey on beta2 needs a workaround , installing the additional drivers doesn't launch the installer
[19:54] <soee> is it possible to install propriety drivers somehow ?
[19:55] <BluesKaj> basically inert, so i ninstalled the nvidia-319-updates and installed nvidia-319 in the terminal
[19:55] <BluesKaj> installed
[19:56] <soee> yofel, apt-get update and i have languages, but its strange it didnt use PL as i set it in installer
[19:56] <yofel> manually installing by hand certainly works (possibly using the ubuntu app would work too)
[19:57] <yofel> soee: didn't you install without network? I don't think we have pl translations on the image
[19:57] <BluesKaj> yofel:  installed the updates with muon
[20:08] <ovidiu-florin> the LoCo link from http://www.kubuntu.org/community/contribute is not pointing to kubuntu.org/comunity at the Local Language Support page. It's pointing to the Ubuntu LoCo list. shouldn't this be changed?
[20:10] <soee> BluesKaj, so whats the step do install nvidia drivers ?
[20:12] <BluesKaj> soee:  install the nvidia-319-updates in muon first then install nvidia-319 in the terminal..that method worked for me on the beta1 and beta 2
[20:12] <soee> BluesKaj, ok ill try
[20:13] <soee> btw Kubuntu looks lovely on my new laptop :D <3
[20:16] <BluesKaj> that's great soee :)
[20:16] <ovidiu-florin> How can I upload images to the Kubuntu wiki?
[20:16] <soee> BluesKaj, what about nvidia-319 (binary Xorg drivers) ?
[20:17] <BluesKaj> from nvidia's site ?
[20:17] <soee> nope, from muon
[20:17] <soee> or only 319-updates
[20:18] <BluesKaj> oh , i see , yeah why not they should work if available
[20:19] <BluesKaj> I didn't bother looking for them on beta2 because they wren't avialble in muon on beta 1
[20:19] <soee> ;]
[20:19] <BluesKaj> guess i shouldn't assume
[21:05] <ScottK> ovidiu-florin: Kubuntu and Ubuntu and all the other flavors are all co-developed/released out of the same package archive.  If you separated it, it wouldn't be Kubuntu anymore.
[21:11] <shadeslayer> yofel: not quite
[21:11] <shadeslayer> yofel: we should populate xapian index
[21:11] <shadeslayer> but generating the kde cache is useless since we don't have a way to generate the plasma theme cache
[21:11] <shadeslayer> which forms a big chunk of the cache
[21:12] <shadeslayer> ( space-taken-on-disk wise )
[21:19] <soee> my o my it is impossible to install nvidia 319 on latest saucy
[21:22] <yofel> soee: hm, not really, I'm running it after all
[21:22] <yofel> just installing nvidia-319 doesn't work
[21:22] <soee> for me kbuntu freezes when showing logo
[21:22] <yofel> @_@
[21:22] <soee> yofel, what else then
[21:23] <yofel> er, that's missing a '?' at the end
[21:23] <soee> ?
[21:23] <yofel> why would it freeze though...
[21:23] <soee> no idea, it dies when this glowing logo shows up
[21:27] <soee> i think ill back to Raring
[22:41] <Riddell> KTp 0.7 beta1 is out.
[22:41] <Riddell> anyone want to package for a PPA?


[00:05] <ovidiu-florin> yofel: are you still around?
[00:05] <yofel> trying to find the motivation to sleep, but for now, yes ^^
[00:06] <ovidiu-florin> can you please tell me just the username and the password for the current site?
[00:06] <ovidiu-florin> I'm working on the sqldump, and I can't login
[00:06] <yofel> pm
[00:06] <ovidiu-florin> on a test site
[00:06] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[00:28] <ovidiu-florin> good night yofel, I'll continue this in the morning.
[00:28] <yofel> same, good night
[08:15] <ovidiu-florin> good morning everybody
[08:25] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: are you around?
[08:37] <valorie> April Fools, everybody! http://babe.debian.plumbing/ (sune made it -- and looke what shirt Paul is wearing in one of the photos!)
[08:51] <Riddell> hi ovidiu-florin
[08:52] <Riddell> valorie: ooh sexy
[08:53] <valorie> :-)
[09:00] <Riddell> even better we'll finally be joining the civilised counties once independent http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/01/scotland-driving-on-right-independence-road-scheme
[09:00] <jussi> Riddell: *IF*
[09:00] <Kalidarn> btw is it known about multiple devices appearing?
[09:01] <Kalidarn> eg http://i.imgur.com/hpC0j6D.png
[09:01] <Kalidarn> i have a nexus 7 and a nexus 5 plugged in and i see all these "blank" devices
[09:01] <Kalidarn> unplugging both of them makes them all go away. I don't recall this being an issue in KDE 4.13 on 13.10
[09:01] <Kalidarn> (using the backports ppa
[09:01] <jussi> Kalidarn: usually those are "open pictures with gwenview" type things
[09:01] <Kalidarn> yes but im not sure what these other blank looking ones are
[09:01] <jussi> perhaps try changing the theme and checking if its not just black on black?
[09:01] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: arg it's started, you mention sponsoring links and now the SEO spammers are onto us http://paste.kde.org/pncsr2oxa
[09:02] <Kalidarn> nah its not
[09:02] <Kalidarn> they appear in dolphin too
[09:03] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: :)
[09:04] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: the company I was talking about, they agreed to migrate our site for us for free
[09:04] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yay!
[09:04] <ovidiu-florin> I've tried to do a demo migration last night, but I ran into a pickle
[09:05] <Riddell> jussi: and when we're independent you'll be begging us to send our nuclear armed submarines to free Finland from the Russians
[09:05] <ovidiu-florin> there's something wrong with the sqldump I've got from canonical
[09:05] <ovidiu-florin> or ubuntu rt, or what ever it's called
[09:05] <jussi> Riddell: we dont need you - look at what happened last time they tried to invade...
[09:05] <Riddell> canonical sysadmin
[09:05] <ovidiu-florin> yes
[09:06] <ovidiu-florin> the sqldump is incomplete
[09:06] <ovidiu-florin> they've cleared some tables
[09:06] <ovidiu-florin> most specific: the users table
[09:06] <ovidiu-florin> Do you know someone from the canonical sysadmins?
[09:07] <jussi> ovidiu-florin: #canonical-sysadmin
[09:07] <ovidiu-florin> I would like to get a full backup of our current site (all files and a FULL DB dump)
[09:07] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: no I'm afraid not, maybe jose does he's a useful sort, else just e-mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>or ping on their irc channel
[09:07] <Kalidarn> btw all those "blank" devices open up to camera:
[09:08] <Kalidarn> ie:
[09:08] <Kalidarn> camera:/Google%2520Inc%2520(for%2520LG%2520Electronics%252FSamsung)%2520Nexus%25204%252F5%252F7%252F10%2520(MTP+ADB)@usb:001,012
[09:08] <Kalidarn> camera:/Google%2520Inc%2520(for%2520Asus)%2520Nexus%25207%2520(MTP+ADB)@usb:001,010
[09:08] <ovidiu-florin> I don't know jose
[09:11] <valorie> happy All Fools day everyone
[09:11] <valorie> later.....
[09:12] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: what should I say to the can. Sysadm. that the backup is for?
[09:13] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: to transition to a new CMS
[09:14] <ovidiu-florin> ok
[09:20] <shadeslayer> *hugs*
[09:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: 4.98
[09:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: 4.12.97 works fine here, although I'm not convinced file search in dolphin is any better
[09:20] <shadeslayer> vHanda: ^^
[09:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: does it work for you?
[09:22] <shadeslayer> I've been debugging some crashes in baloo with vHanda since yesterday, so atleast I can keep poking him with crashes and make him fix those :p
[09:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer: but does it find the files?
[09:25] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: i'm saying in the request mail that they can ask you for confirmation. Is that ok?
[09:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah, works for me
[09:29] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: sure
[09:29] <ovidiu-florin> sent
[09:29] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[09:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: apparently kubuntu-notification-helper (14.04ubuntu7) had changelog modifications after upload :'<
[09:55] <apachelogger> on that note
[09:56] <apachelogger> alert alert alert
[09:56] <apachelogger> your's truly forgot to port the daemon to the new dbus api
[09:56] <apachelogger> how does that sort of thing slip through QA
[09:56] <shadeslayer> :(
[09:57] <apachelogger> ah, because no one bothered to remind people of the test cases we have online
[09:58] <apachelogger> it does help a lot less if people don't get reminded
[09:58] <apachelogger> >.<
[09:58]  * ghostcube hands apachelogger a cup of calm down tea
[09:59]  * shadeslayer hugs apachelogger
[09:59] <apachelogger> there isn't much time to calm down this close to release
[09:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I am also adding some kdebug
[10:00] <ghostcube> hmm then is shouldnt ask for an upstream update of kdeconnect eh?
[10:00] <apachelogger> prolly not
[10:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: to k-d-m ?
[10:00] <apachelogger> and on that note
[10:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: knh
[10:00] <apachelogger> the driver thing in knh more specifically
[10:00] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: actually, that does need updating
[10:00] <shadeslayer> just that we're fixing broken things
[10:00] <ghostcube> :)
[10:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you do ktp update or is that still pending?
[10:01] <shadeslayer> I don't see it in the repo
[10:01] <shadeslayer> so needs doing
[10:01] <shadeslayer> I'll do that today
[10:01] <shadeslayer> oh man, things are going to suck, since I'm unavailable the entire next week :/
[10:02] <apachelogger> there's a bug for it anyway
[10:03] <apachelogger> mh
[10:03] <apachelogger> ah
[10:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes
[10:03] <apachelogger> also
[10:03] <apachelogger> we need libk-d-m
[10:03] <apachelogger> for the marshal
[10:03] <apachelogger> muhahahahahahaha
[10:04] <apachelogger> time for a 14.10 board I think
[10:05] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[10:08] <shadeslayer> phonon-backend-gstreamer1.0-0.0~git20140324/debian/phonon4qt5-backend-gstreamer1.0/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/phonon4qt5_backend
[10:09] <shadeslayer> whats with the weird thing there
[10:09] <shadeslayer> oh my
[10:09] <apachelogger> oh you
[10:09] <apachelogger> btw
[10:09] <apachelogger> if one installs the old backend (or the old backend is not migrated) amarok breaks
[10:10] <apachelogger> and other stuff using stuff that uses gst1
[10:10] <apachelogger> so there really should not be any such stuff
[10:11] <shadeslayer> oh
[10:11] <shadeslayer> en
[10:11] <shadeslayer> eh
[10:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well
[10:11] <shadeslayer> installing the 1.0 backend will remove the 0.10 one
[10:11] <apachelogger> yeah
[10:11] <shadeslayer> so when you logout/login things will unbreak
[10:12] <apachelogger> tell that to the bug reports that did not get the 1.0 backend installed
[10:12] <apachelogger> and now amarok is broken
[10:12] <shadeslayer> >.>
[10:12] <apachelogger> and while you are at it, please also draft an announcement we can point to for all future occurances when a user installs the 0.10 backend by whatever means
[10:13] <shadeslayer> out of curiosity how would that work ( amarok not install the 1.0 backend )
[10:15] <apachelogger> amarok depends on phonon depends on phonon-backend-gstreamer1.0 | phonon-backend, can be fullfilled by phonon-backend-gstreamer, phonon-backend-gstreamer1.0 will not be installed because the requirements are met
[10:15] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/1298380
[10:16] <apachelogger> there simply is no reason for phonon-backend-gstreamer to be around
[10:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[10:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but what if we want to roll back :)
[10:18] <shadeslayer> oh
[10:18] <shadeslayer> we go to vlc then
[10:19] <shadeslayer> not gst, since plugins are broken as fuck
[10:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: plz nuke the 0.10 backend
[10:21] <shadeslayer> since it won't work in any case
[10:21] <shadeslayer> qtwebkit was built against 1.0 , so it's utterly useles
[10:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: okay dokay
[10:23] <apachelogger> why does notification helper have a po/ dir again?
[10:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any reason why debian/phonon4qt5-backend-gstreamer1.0/ dir in the pgst1.0 packaging?
[10:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: pgst has reverse depends btw
[10:36] <jose> hey ovidiu-florin! even though you don't know me, feel free to ping me for anything you need, specially if rt related
[10:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: are you working on getting qapt plugin install working?
[10:37] <apachelogger> no
[10:37] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[10:38] <apachelogger> I am not a qapt developer Oo
[10:38] <shadeslayer> ok
[10:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: isn't that package building both qt4 and qt5 from one source?
[10:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: but then why the empty folder in the packaging :)
[10:42] <shadeslayer> also, apachelogger ^^ , does the qt4 and qt5 code get built in one .so ?
[10:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no it builds qt4 then qt5
[10:42] <Riddell> installing qt5 into debian/phonon4qt5-backend-gstreamer1.0/ so I probably just forgot a clean rule to rm that directory
[10:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I don't think so
[10:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/170599598/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-amd64.phonon-backend-gstreamer1.0_0.0~git20140324-0ubuntu1_UPLOADING.txt.gz
[10:45] <shadeslayer> don't see Qt5 stuff being built there
[10:45] <shadeslayer> possibly the branch needs rebasing on master
[10:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: probably I just copied it from phonon-backend-gstreamer0.10
[10:59] <shadeslayer> on that note
[11:00] <shadeslayer> the 1.0 branch probably needs rebasing on master
[11:00] <apachelogger> god how I hate variant types
[11:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: where rebasing is fancy git speak for a new checkout?
[11:00]  * apachelogger is going to do code copy now :@
[11:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://nooooooooooooooo.com/
[11:03] <apachelogger> your fault anyway
[11:03] <shadeslayer> Riddell: nope
[11:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what
[11:03] <apachelogger> had you done proper marshalling you had needed to make a library when you created the knh event
[11:03] <apachelogger> had you had created a library I'd now not have to do code copyz
[11:04] <shadeslayer> :(
[11:04] <ghostcube> folks blame scientologie... :D better than blaming each other
[11:04] <apachelogger> even so it is curious that qt can't automarshall to variants for some reason
[11:08] <shadeslayer> heh
[11:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: mind approving ktp-common-internals
[11:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: approved!
[11:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thx
[11:13] <apachelogger> well, that only took longer than expected
[11:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: knh fixy ready
[11:14] <shadeslayer> yay
[11:14]  * shadeslayer is updating ktp
[11:14] <Riddell> thanks shadeslayer
[11:14] <apachelogger> weeh
[11:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: where are we on the python3.4 thing?
[11:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fixed pending a merge
[11:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: plz unapprove kpeople
[11:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: approve my second kpeople upload
[11:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kpeople rejected¡
[11:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kpeople rejected!
[11:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kpeople accepted!
[11:37] <apachelogger> knh uploaded
[11:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's new?
[11:37] <apachelogger> repaired driver notifications
[11:37] <apachelogger> I also changed the way the init timeout works, it now defaults to 1s in manual builds (outside dpkg-buildpackage) and 3 minutes when built via dpkg-buildpackage
[11:38] <apachelogger> makes testing easier without having to resort to manually changing the timeout all the time
[11:38] <Riddell> lovely
[11:38] <Riddell> I don't suppose you added codec installation back now that qapt doesn't do it?
[11:40] <apachelogger> does that happen in the event?
[11:40] <apachelogger> well that's badly architectured alright
[11:40] <apachelogger>     m_kopetePackages["kopete-gcall"] = i18n("Google Talk support for Kopete");
[11:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: can't past string freeze, adding stuff apparently requires strings
[11:41] <apachelogger> which reminds me that I wanted to find out why exactly knh has a po dir
[11:43] <Mamarok> seriously, moun is not usable, it is simply impossible to search, as soon as I start typing something the complete Package window turns empty and stays like that
[11:44] <Mamarok> s/moun/muon/
[11:45] <kubotu> Mamarok meant: "seriously, muon is not usable, it is simply impossible to search, as soon as I start typing something the complete Package window turns empty and stays like that"
[11:45]  * Mamarok goes back to synaptic
[11:45] <ghostcube> hmmm muon is working here
[11:45] <Mamarok> you can search?
[11:45] <ghostcube> package and software based
[11:45] <ghostcube> yep
[11:45] <Mamarok> talking about current Trusty latest release
[11:45] <Mamarok> ?
[11:46] <ghostcube> just updated on my 14.04 virtual box
[11:46] <ghostcube> so it should be the same
[11:46] <Mamarok> well I tried, restarted, started with kdesudo, nothing, the package windows goes totally blank once I enter something in the search field
[11:46] <yofel> Mamarok: which muon? package manager, sc or discover?
[11:47] <Mamarok> just muon, which is the package insntaller, of course
[11:47] <ghostcube> hmm package one works fine here
[11:47] <yofel> try this: 'sudo update-apt-xapian-index', then check if search works
[11:47] <Mamarok> and when searching for updates it shows one package, while apt-get and synaptic show 35
[11:47] <ghostcube> i got 2.1.70-ubuntu3
[11:48] <Mamarok> yofel: why on earth does one always have to go through loops for someting to work, why can't it "just work"?
[11:48] <yofel> Mamarok: uhm, I'm not sure why it's not finding anything for you. The search index should be updated on every package cache update
[11:48] <ghostcube> maybe update regression?
[11:49] <BluesKaj> also system settings>multimedia>audio&video settings when chosen just hangs and doesn't open.
[11:49] <apachelogger> actually muon will auto update the xapian index
[11:50] <apachelogger> there is however a bug that it does not try to open the cache after initial creation (i.e. right after installation)
[11:50] <Mamarok> well no, it doesn't, at least not for me, now it works
[11:50] <ghostcube> BluesKaj: yep can confirm this
[11:50] <Mamarok> so the xapian db uptdate is not working
[11:52] <ghostcube> i get a dbus server warning if i launch systemsettings
[11:52] <ghostcube> inside terminal
[11:52] <yofel> apachelogger: IIRC that was because there is no cache that it could generate the index from after install
[11:53] <apachelogger> don't launch it in a terminal then
[11:53] <apachelogger> Mamarok: the reason things don't work is because people work around issues so they never get resolved
[11:53] <ghostcube> apachelogger: lol just wanted to see if anything comes up
[11:53] <BluesKaj> ghostcube, it's been a problem for a few days, altho the audio settings don't seem to be affected since it all works ok. Kmix and alsamixer seem to be normal.
[11:53] <apachelogger> yofel: it will create a new one then
[11:54] <apachelogger> install -> install muon -> start muon -> progress bar at bottom -> wait till finished -> restart muon -> search works
[11:54] <ghostcube> ok
[11:54] <apachelogger> if libqapt/muon did try to reopen on updatefinished search would work after the progressbar has finished
[11:54] <yofel> ah
[11:54] <apachelogger> before it is finished it will not work regardless though because there is no cache
[11:54] <apachelogger> which is also slighly UI snafu
[11:55] <Mamarok> apachelogger: I never even touched that thing, usually I use either the cli or synaptic
[11:55] <apachelogger> it's a minor issue though as there's plenty of things triggering xapian updates and ultimately ubiquity shoudl trigger one after installation, for which we have a card somewhere
[11:55] <apachelogger> which I think is blocked on someone looking into it or something
[11:55] <yofel> I think shadeslayer gave up on it
[11:56] <Mamarok> well, an isuse not getting any package updates in a package manager is not something I would call minor
[11:56] <apachelogger> Mamarok: quite possibly the xapian index got corrupted
[11:57] <apachelogger> though I reckon it would fail to open then, which in turn would trigger an update
[11:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 1300480
[11:58] <apachelogger> bug 1300478
[11:58] <apachelogger> bug 1298380
[11:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: are you on the digikam thing?
[12:00] <apachelogger> BluesKaj, ghostcube: find /usr/lib -iname phonon_gstreamer.so
[12:00] <yofel> what's there to do with digikam?
[12:00] <apachelogger> if that yields one result run ldd on that path
[12:00] <apachelogger> yofel: bug 1299738
[12:00] <yofel> ouch
[12:00] <ghostcube>  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/plugins/phonon_backend/phonon_gstreamer.so
[12:01] <apachelogger> library transitions past feature freeze is an interesting way of breaking the release
[12:01] <apachelogger> ghostcube: ldd on that
[12:02] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, file does not exist
[12:02] <ghostcube> http://pastie.org/8985459
[12:02] <yofel> hm, digkam WFM
[12:02] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: ls -lah /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/plugins/phonon_backend
[12:02] <apachelogger> yofel: try installing kipi-plugins
[12:02] <apachelogger> ghostcube: install phonon-backend-gstreamer1.0
[12:03] <apachelogger> you are affected by bug 1298380
[12:03] <yofel> apachelogger: I have everything from digikam sc intalled (except maybe -doc)
[12:03] <apachelogger> yofel: kipi is not part of the sc, is it?
[12:03] <yofel> it is
[12:03] <apachelogger> plugins even?
[12:03] <apachelogger> I know lib is
[12:03] <ghostcube> fixed systemsettings
[12:04] <yofel> apachelogger: *digikam* SC, not kde sc
[12:04] <apachelogger> yofel: yes, I know :P
[12:04] <yofel> but kipi-plugins is shipped with digikam these days
[12:04] <apachelogger> ok
[12:05] <yofel> let me make a VM to test this
[12:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 1298125
[12:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: bug 1297351
[12:20] <apachelogger> what the hell is bug 1276820
[12:21] <yofel> a meta bug for... mesa? ^^
[12:21] <apachelogger> is it mesa?
[12:21] <apachelogger> reads a lot like pebkac
[12:22] <yofel> not sure, I usually blame rendering issues on mesa. but that's also a possibility
[12:22] <yofel> *sigh*
[12:22] <yofel> our installer still says it's installing kubuntu on a disk with 1B of space
[12:22] <apachelogger> I've installed plasma-desktop package and the problem doesnt appear
[12:22] <apachelogger> that's not mesa
[12:23] <yofel> hm
[12:23] <apachelogger> this report is so much crap it's not even funny
[12:25] <ghostcube> this mouse bug could be a compiz kde problem
[12:25] <apachelogger> what is a compiz kde problem?
[12:26] <ghostcube> compiz is started and makes trouble inside the kde rendering
[12:26] <ghostcube> compiz and kde isnt working pretty well since long time :D
[12:26] <apachelogger> it could also be a mesa problem, a x problem, a driver problem, a qt problem, a gtk problem, a pebkac problem, a cursor theme problem ....
[12:27] <ghostcube> yeah but as i seen the compiz thing i think its nothing about that all
[12:27] <apachelogger> ghostcube: it also happens in unity
[12:27] <ghostcube> yeah i know but still he has compiz on its way
[12:27] <apachelogger> compiz starting in a plasma session seems slightly odd though
[12:28] <apachelogger> IIRC the kde configured window manager will start as very first thing by ksmserver
[12:28] <apachelogger> so there is no way that compiz could even start since window managers block one another
[12:28] <BluesKaj> had to switch back to xrender and native from OpenGL and raster , due to font problems in web browsers and dialogs, and blanking of desktops and parts of desktops
[12:28] <apachelogger> that is a mesa problem
[12:29] <yofel> well, it might not be fun
[12:29] <yofel> the ubuntu-bugcontrol discussion is fun though
[12:29] <BluesKaj> been like that for quite a few weeks now
[12:29] <apachelogger> yofel: mh?
[12:30] <ghostcube> apachelogger: but he hasent got the prob in the vm
[12:30] <yofel> apachelogger: " Kubuntu triage policy conflicts with Ubuntu triage policy", to which you're CC'd I believe
[12:30] <ghostcube> so i dont think this is mesa
[12:30] <apachelogger> ghostcube: who?
[12:30] <ghostcube> the one posting the bug
[12:30] <apachelogger> yofel: yeah, well, I did not reply for a reason :P
[12:31] <shadeslayer> :D
[12:31] <apachelogger> ghostcube: sure it can, drivers talk to mesa, and sometimes drivers cause mesa bugs or vice versa, which is actually what BluesKaj is seeing
[12:31] <apachelogger> so it is entirely possible that something works on bare metal but does not in a VM
[12:31] <apachelogger> because they have different drivers
[12:37] <ghostcube> ughs radeon drivers used iam out of business :D
[12:37] <ghostcube> hihi
[12:37] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, there were a few artifacts in VB W7 guest, but nothing serious compared to the utter blanking of all fonts in FF and chromium
[12:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, Riddell: regarding the LO thing... dropping libreoffice-kde fixes it apparently so that might be something we'll need to do unless a fix appears in time for final
[12:50] <shadeslayer> :S
[12:50] <shadeslayer> where's jmux :P
[12:51] <apachelogger> hiding, for obvious reasons :P
[12:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: have you worked out what the LO thing is?
[12:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer: on holiday?
[12:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: not exactly, but will be unavailable next week due to family reasons
[12:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: jmux is on holiday
[12:55] <apachelogger> yofel: ah, you continued the thread
[12:55] <apachelogger> noooo
[12:55] <Riddell> I wonder if whatever the libreoffice thing is, is related to jmux's fix bug 1290514
[12:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: potentially might want to approve ktp in unapproved queue
[12:59] <shadeslayer> or do you want me to upload everything
[12:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I don't really mind as long as it compiles and works without adding beasties
[12:59] <shadeslayer> :)
[12:59] <shadeslayer> If it adds beasties I shall move over to d_ed's table and poke him
[13:00] <shadeslayer> along with mck182
[13:00] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, the phonon_gstreamer.so file exits in the path you posted , but it doesn't seem to have any effect on the device preferences in multimedia
[13:00] <BluesKaj> exists rather
[13:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I take it mck182 is in town too?
[13:02] <shadeslayer> yep
[13:03] <apachelogger> omg, dfaure broke kwin xD
[13:04] <shadeslayer> so he's human after all!
[13:04] <shadeslayer> :D
[13:04] <apachelogger> nah
[13:04] <apachelogger> must be april 1
[13:04] <shadeslayer> bah :P
[13:09] <BluesKaj> I was going to suggest that MS is launching it's own version of Linux named Winux , but somebody beat me to the April fool's joke by about 13 yrs :)
[13:10] <ghostcube> best one is... apple and MS are working on a new version of iDos
[13:10] <ghostcube> :D
[13:10] <BluesKaj> :)
[13:11] <ghostcube> gnah s5 still not available
[13:11] <ghostcube> -.-
[13:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ktp all up
[13:34] <shadeslayer> plz approve
[13:41] <manchicken> apachelogger: I almost have that done.
[13:41] <shadeslayer> manchicken: hi!
[13:41] <shadeslayer> manchicken: I don't suppose you could look at the gst plugin install stuff :P
[13:41] <manchicken> shadeslayer: Hi! It's been an interesting day here at ThinkGeek so far :)
[13:41] <manchicken> Naw, I'm at work, and I was up late working.
[13:41] <shadeslayer> ThinkGeek? :D
[13:41] <shadeslayer> you work at TG?
[13:41] <manchicken> Yeah, that's where I work.
[13:42] <shadeslayer> hah, awesome
[13:42]  * shadeslayer was browsing last night, looking for a alarm clock
[13:43] <shadeslayer> specifically, the one that looks like the old alarm clocks, but with the LED face
[13:45] <apachelogger> can't type straight in mails
[13:45] <apachelogger> outragous
[13:46] <manchicken> apachelogger: You got that I said I'm almost done with the debug installer, right?
[13:46] <manchicken> I just haven't had time to tidy it up. Since I fixed the duplicate portion it seems like it's mostly working. I need to find a package that only has debug syms in a ddebs repo.
[13:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no shit http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/01/plasma-desktopi27348.png
[13:46] <apachelogger> manchicken: yes, we are still way past feature freeze and considering everything is broken anyway I'd rather not do it for .04
[13:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ktp accepted!
[13:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ?
[13:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can't type anything for the first time today
[13:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uau
[13:47] <shadeslayer> ^^ see what I mean
[13:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it's always the case for me
[13:47] <apachelogger> I have shell aliases for everything otherwise I'd spend half the time correcting typos :O
[13:47] <shadeslayer> xD
[13:48]  * shadeslayer is rebasing pgst on master
[13:50] <manchicken> Yeah
[13:51] <yofel> manchicken: if you need one, e.g. ksnapshot has not -dbg package
[13:51] <yofel> *no
[13:53] <manchicken> That's awesome.
[13:54] <manchicken> apachelogger: I can't comment on the card yet, could you stick yofel's comment onto the card so I don't lose that?
[13:54] <yofel> uh, I can just do that ^^
[13:56] <yofel> where is the card though o.O?
[13:56] <shadeslayer> oh god http://paste.ubuntu.com/7189754/
[13:57] <yofel> found it
[14:22] <shadeslayer> wtf
[14:22] <shadeslayer> wtf
[14:22] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktp-call-ui/0.8.0-0ubuntu1
[14:23] <shadeslayer> it built fine in my pbuilder?!
[14:24] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7189897/
[14:24]  * apachelogger ninja
[14:24] <Riddell> hi littlegirl
[14:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: u pbuilder update first?
[14:25] <apachelogger> if not that'd be why it worked in pbuilder
[14:25] <littlegirl> Riddell: Hey there, did you get my emails last night? (:
[14:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hooks should have done that
[14:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: not to mention, it builds on i386
[14:25] <littlegirl> I know I'm a pest, but some pests are okay to have around. (: (: (:
[14:25] <Riddell> littlegirl: hmm probably but didn't read them properly sorry
[14:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well, it could be that someone uploaded somethign and now its broken xD
[14:25] <littlegirl> Riddell: It's okay. I just have some questions and figured I'd put them in separate emails. (:
[14:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sigh
[14:26] <yofel> shadeslayer: your pbuilder is ppc64el? ^^
[14:26] <shadeslayer> yofel: amd64
[14:26] <shadeslayer> yofel: I returned it
[14:26] <yofel> ah ok, so I missed it
[14:27] <shadeslayer> seems to be working now I think
[14:28] <littlegirl> Hey, does the beta update itself or do you have to grab a fresh copy of it each day?
[14:29] <apachelogger> regular updates are the updates of the beta
[14:29] <apachelogger> up to release, when regular updates become stable release updates
[14:29] <littlegirl> I grabbed Trusty Tahr from https://wiki.kubuntu.org/TrustyTahr/Beta2/Kubuntu. Can I just keep it or do I need to grab it again to be sure I have the latest one?
[14:29] <apachelogger> this ISO does not change
[14:30] <apachelogger> so you can just keep it
[14:30] <littlegirl> Cool, thanks. (:
[14:30] <apachelogger> if you want an up-to-date iso you can also use the ones here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[14:31] <littlegirl> Thanks - I'll give that a try as well. (:
[14:38]  * littlegirl hugs Riddell
[14:38] <shadeslayer> sigh, rebase gone wrong :/
[14:39] <littlegirl> Riddell: Thanks for getting to those so quickly. I'm off to email the other guy. I may come in with some more questions abotu the new options that were added, but that will be a bit later. (:
[14:40] <sgclark> Riddell: calligra-l10n http://paste.ubuntu.com/7189973/
[14:42] <apachelogger> looks like we'll have some of our long waiting kubuntu specific stuff get l10n finally
[14:44] <Riddell> well done apachelogger
[14:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: although I do wonder if kde-l10n will disappear in kf5 land and we'll need to reinstate the language-pack-kde packages
[14:45] <Riddell> morning sgclark
[14:45] <Riddell> sgclark: well done on figuring that mess out, it always confuses me
[14:45] <Riddell> sgclark: you can bump the standards version if you check there's nothing relevant in the new debian policy version
[14:46] <sgclark> Riddell: good morning, and yeah wow
[14:46] <Riddell> sgclark: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/upgrading-checklist#ch1
[14:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: what? why?
[14:47] <apachelogger> kde would still have to distribute l10n somehow
[14:48] <Riddell> sgclark: debian-rules-missing-recommended-target build-indep  is weird, that target is there, so it binary-arch
[14:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: you think?  but not for kf5 or plasma presumably
[14:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: kde would still have to distribute translations somehow
[14:49] <apachelogger> you cannot have a not translated workspace :P
[14:50] <sgclark> Riddell: right via  build: $(STAMP_BUILD) correct?
[14:52] <Riddell> sgclark: nah lower down is binary-arch: # No architecture dependent files available
[14:52] <Riddell> sgclark: anyway just ignore them
[14:52] <sgclark> Riddell: ok this in rules http://paste.ubuntu.com/7190036/
[14:52] <sgclark> Riddell: ok
[15:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: where?
[15:37] <apachelogger> paris
[15:37] <apachelogger> what?
 looks like we'll have some of our long waiting kubuntu specific stuff get l10n finally
[15:37] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1300841] GTK Windows (i.e. gvim) do not maximize properly @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1300841 (by Alex Roman)
[15:37] <shadeslayer> what I wanted to say was, where did you hear that? :)
[15:38] <shadeslayer> <- over excited at the thought of getting i10n
[15:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: pitti said he'd do it today
[15:42] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1292471] Missing locale notification does not inform about package @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1292471 (by Marcin Sągol)
[15:42] <shadeslayer> yay
[16:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can I drop the [linux-any] from the pgst1.0 depends on gst1.0-alsa
[16:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I'm going to upload KDE SC 4.12.97
[16:04] <shadeslayer> want to approve that later this evening?
[16:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah, go for it, I'm out for the next few hours, will get to it later
[16:08] <Riddell> or nudge ScottK
[16:08] <shadeslayer> okie
[16:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I also still see pgst
[16:11] <shadeslayer> in the archive
[16:11] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that's because I've not deleted it yet
[16:12] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: and last thing, review plz http://paste.kde.org/phnvuegcp
[16:14] <shadeslayer> fix for 1300480
[16:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^
[16:29]  * apachelogger had too much to eat
[16:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: looks good I guess
[16:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ack
[16:30] <shadeslayer> pushed
[16:33] <shadeslayer> ScottK: can you approve pgst1.0 from queue
[16:45] <shadeslayer> lazr.restfulclient.errors.ServerError: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error
[16:45] <shadeslayer> yay
[16:47]  * yofel would prefer if someone would append 'Thank you for using the launchpad services' to that, it would at least feel nicer
[16:49] <shadeslayer> sigh
[16:49] <shadeslayer> should have called with --nopush
[16:49] <yofel> what did you do -.-
[16:49] <yofel> actually
[16:50] <yofel> let me switch the default for that
[16:50] <yofel> it's just a pain
[16:50] <yofel> and send a mail to the ML
[16:50] <shadeslayer> well, it's just that it pushed some useless history
[16:50] <shadeslayer> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/amor
[16:51] <yofel> ah lol
[16:51] <yofel> well, you can only tag once, so it doesn't really matter
[16:51] <yofel> I'll still switch the default
[16:51] <yofel> the whole process is too error-prone
[16:52] <sgclark> I keep getting [Errno 110] Connection timed out part way through trying to dput calligra-l10n is it my internet?
[16:53] <yofel> should be... can't say I ever got that from launchpad while uploading.
[16:53] <yofel> Then again, this is launchpad...
[16:53] <shadeslayer> ^^
[16:55] <sgclark> Well I have tried rebooting router, hard wired to no avail, US cable companies are notorious for throttling our connections. I put the files in my ubuntu one yofel.
[16:57] <sgclark> I saw Riddell was heading out. If you don't have toime to look I will keep trying..
[16:58] <doko> Riddell, do you plan another calligra upload? or else I'd like to build it using the updated xbase version
[16:59] <yofel> doko: Riddell is out, but I don't think anyone is working on calligra right now
[17:00] <shadeslayer> yay failed again
[17:00] <doko> yofel, ok, will upload
[17:01] <yofel> doko: as long as you commit what you have to bzr there shouldn't be any conflict anyway
[17:01] <yofel> or is it a plain rebuild?
[17:01] <doko> yofel, can you check it in for me? no, has a patch
[17:01] <yofel> doko: will do that then once I see the upload
[17:02] <shadeslayer> doko: iirc if you're ubuntu-dev you can check it in too
[17:02] <doko> can I?
[17:02] <doko> damn ...
[17:02] <doko> ;p
[17:02] <yofel> you should be able to..
[17:02] <apachelogger> lol
[17:02] <shadeslayer> I think so ...
[17:03] <yofel> ~ubuntu-core-dev can at least
[17:03] <shadeslayer> yeah, I don't see why we should exclude ubuntu-dev btw :P
[17:03] <shadeslayer> atleast for checking in commit
[17:03] <shadeslayer> *commits
[17:03] <yofel> IIRC it was to not allow ~ubuntu-motu to commit changes for out packages in main
[17:04] <yofel> *our
[17:04] <shadeslayer> which seems moot now :)
[17:04] <yofel> well, with how Riddell handled scarlett's case it is completely moot :(
[17:04] <shadeslayer> hm, I have to leave, and script is running ..
[17:05] <yofel> great timing :P
[17:05] <shadeslayer> yeah :P
[17:05] <sgclark> handled my case? what did I do?
[17:05] <shadeslayer> did not expect it to fail twice
[17:05] <shadeslayer> yofel: maybe I'll come back after dinner xD
[17:06] <shadeslayer> just to sign  and upload
[17:06] <yofel> sgclark: going completely by existing policy, you shouldn't be a member of ~kubuntu-packagers
[17:06] <yofel> so you didn't do anything ;)
[17:07] <sgclark> I won't let you down, I will earn it
[17:07] <yofel> in theory, we would give people access to ninjas first, and review all bzr changes for a while. And by the time one would get permission it would be time to apply for membership anyway and get it like that
[17:07] <yofel> this time... the process was kinda turned upside down
[17:08] <shadeslayer> sigh
[17:09] <yofel> failed again?
[17:09] <shadeslayer> on the 30th package
[17:09] <yofel> lol
[17:09] <shadeslayer> out of 160th
[17:09] <shadeslayer> s/th//
[17:09] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "out of 160"
[17:09] <yofel> it's 170 btw.
[17:09] <shadeslayer> yofel: how's qvim
[17:09] <shadeslayer> ._.
[17:09] <shadeslayer> yofel: btw qvim has a full screen mode apparently
[17:09] <shadeslayer> set fu
[17:09] <yofel> shadeslayer: better than gvim in any case, but haven't played with it too much yet
[17:10] <shadeslayer> mhm
[17:10] <yofel> I simply like my vim in yakuake :P
[17:10] <shadeslayer> xD
[17:11] <shadeslayer> yofel: maybe also add a check in kubuntu-automation to check for the tag we're trying to add
[17:11] <shadeslayer> if it exists, then bzr was pushed to and no need to introduce more delta
[17:12] <yofel> not sure I like that solution, but it might make sense
[17:15] <shadeslayer> k bye
[17:15] <shadeslayer> cya tomorrow
[17:15] <shadeslayer> script running
[17:38] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1300841] GTK Windows (i.e. gvim) do not maximize properly @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1300841 (by Alex Roman)
[17:58] <sgclark> finally got https://launchpad.net/~scarlett-7/+archive/kubuntu-ppa/+builds?build_state=building
[18:00] <yofel> \o/
[20:04] <shadeslayer> yofel: btw script failed again
[20:04] <shadeslayer> today is just not a good day for Launchpad
[20:04] <shadeslayer> also
[20:04] <shadeslayer> drool http://liliputing.com/2014/03/minnowboard-max-99-intel-atom-powered-single-board-computer.html
[20:05] <shadeslayer> yofel: ^^
[20:05] <shadeslayer> apparently goes up to quad core + 4 GB
[20:05] <shadeslayer> *4 GB RAM
[20:05] <yofel> :O
[20:06] <shadeslayer> yeah, :)
[20:06] <shadeslayer> I was hoping for *exactly* this
[20:07] <shadeslayer> the best ARM SoC at the moment is the iMX6 I think
[20:07] <shadeslayer> 2 GB RAM + 4 cores @ 1.2 GHz
[20:08] <shadeslayer> 129 USD + shipping
[20:08] <shadeslayer> I'd love to see what the quad core / 4 GB Intel atom thing does
[20:09] <ovidiu-florin> thank you jose
[20:09] <yofel> right, but I doubt that'll work on a 5V power jack
[20:09] <yofel> at least an actually fan-less atom board is nice indeed, esp. for that price
[20:10] <yofel> except that I can't really think of a personal use case for one :(
[20:10] <yofel> not right now at least
[20:10] <shadeslayer> heh
[21:45] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1299920] defaulting to qt5 does not work siunce QT_SELECT=qt4 is in the environment by default. @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1299920 (by Søren Holm)
[21:52] <yofel> shadeslayer: ^
[21:52] <shadeslayer> it should be unset
[21:53] <shadeslayer> wah
[21:53] <shadeslayer> dafuq
[21:54] <yofel> well, yeah, you are unsetting it, after the session is done
[21:54] <yofel> doesn't really help while you're actually in the session
[21:54] <shadeslayer> fooey
[21:55] <shadeslayer> yofel: move to line 447?
[21:56] <yofel> as far as I understand startkde, the script stops at line 421 until ksmserver exits, i.e. you log out
[21:56] <yofel> anything after that is irrelevant to the session
[21:57] <shadeslayer> ack, will try it out tomorrow and fix
[21:57] <shadeslayer> this is just mental >.>
[21:57] <yofel> can we just go and install qdbus and qdbus-qt5 by default -.-
[21:58] <shadeslayer> qt5? :O
[21:58] <shadeslayer> is this sparta? :D
[21:58] <yofel> then again, as timo says, 'qdbus -qt4' might work
[21:59] <shadeslayer> iirc it will
[21:59] <shadeslayer> alternatively
[21:59] <yofel> uh, isn't qdbus-qt5 not being installed the whole problem? ^^
[21:59] <shadeslayer> replace all qdbus calls with QT_SELECT=qt4 qdbus
[21:59] <shadeslayer> yofel: really? I thought it was the wrong var being set for people who want to build Qt5 thingums on KDE 4
[21:59] <shadeslayer> or wrong path earlier
[22:00] <yofel> well, yeah, having qt5-default installed requires qdbus-qt5 for working dbus
[22:00] <shadeslayer> :S
[22:00] <shadeslayer> why is a configuration package depending on qdbus-qt5?
[22:00] <yofel> it's not?
[22:01] <yofel> nothing depends on qdbus-qt5
[22:01] <yofel> so it is never installed
[22:01] <yofel> and 'qdbus' points to an inexistent file
[22:01] <shadeslayer> ah hm, I see
[22:02] <yofel> your fix works for sure, and breaks qt5-default while at it
[22:03] <shadeslayer> not fun ... not fun at all :/
[22:03] <shadeslayer> I'll look at it tomorrow
[22:03] <shadeslayer> off to bed
[22:04] <yofel> sure
[22:04] <yofel> nini :)
[22:46] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1299920] defaulting to qt5 does not work siunce QT_SELECT=qt4 is in the environment by default. @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1299920 (by Søren Holm)
[22:51] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I can look at it.
[22:51] <ScottK> (if it's a New package, it'll take more time than i have now though)