[04:09] <zestyFT> what's up, peeps?
[04:10] <tbird> hi
[04:10] <zestyFT> so, what's a better choice 13.10 or 12.04
[04:10] <zestyFT> I'm re-doing this PC for my dad
[04:11] <zestyFT> it will be in the garage, and mostly used for web surfing and maybe some music and cd burning
[04:12] <holstein> they are different.. 12.04 is the lts, 13.10 is the latest
[04:12] <holstein> zestyFT: try them both live
[04:12] <zestyFT> yea, I want to minimize the shock of linux on my dad
[04:13] <holstein> zestyFT: neither will do that.. you will do that
[04:16] <Poisoned_Dragon> If your dad is a noob windows user, I wish you the best of luck. :)
[04:16] <zestyFT> no, he is pretty good, just leary
[04:17] <David-A> zestyFT: some old people don't like changes. LTS minimize that, for some time.
[04:18] <holstein> the LTS is supported longer.. so you can run it longer within the support contract
[04:18] <zestyFT> yea, how much longer is the current LTS good for?
[04:18] <zestyFT> 04/2014?
[04:18] <Poisoned_Dragon> No, That's WinXP
[04:21] <zestyFT> yea, that is the main reason I'm starting this excersize
[04:21] <holstein> !12.04
[04:21] <David-A> zestyFT: according to wikipedia, 12.04 LTS until april 2015
[04:22] <zestyFT> ah, thanks david-a
[04:52] <bingo> hello. Is there Antivirus software for xubuntu?
[04:52] <holstein> !av
[04:53] <holstein> bingo: ^
[04:53] <bingo> but what about like java script and stuff?
[04:54] <holstein> bingo: one thing that helps is the user permissions. not running as root or admin
[04:54] <holstein> bingo: did you just start using xubuntu?
[04:54] <bingo> yes. How can i know if i am running as root or admin
[04:54] <holstein> bingo: you are not.. if you are using stock xubuntu
[04:54] <bingo> ok
[04:54] <holstein> !sudo
[04:55] <bingo> yes i have to put in password when i sudo
[04:55] <bingo> ty
[04:55] <bingo> anything cool i can install for xubuntu as far as how it looks?
[04:55] <holstein> bingo: sure.. xubuntu is ubuntu with XFCE.. you can look into themeing xfce
[04:56] <holstein> bingo: are you coming from windows?
[04:56] <bingo> yes
[04:56] <holstein> bingo: think of how long you used windows *just* like it came out of the box, without changing anything.. try and be patient and take your time
[04:56] <bingo> i alright
[04:56] <holstein> bingo: consider playing around with the look and feel on the live CD, or create another user account to test.. or use the guest account
[04:57] <bingo> where can i look into theming xfce
[04:58] <holstein> bingo: i usually just seach specifically for what i want.. "xfce change panel layout".. "xfce icon theme dark". etc
[04:58] <bingo> ty
[04:58] <holstein> bingo: you can, from one of the arguably more safe areas i mentioned (live CD, guest account, test user) poke around in the menus and see what does what
[05:00] <bingo> yes i see it comes with many built in, mostly seems to change the windows color and icons
[05:02] <David-A> bingo: first see what is in the default, settings>appearance>style, settings>windowmanager>style and advanced, then look for extra xfce themes in the software center, and if that is not enough, on the site xfce-look.org
[05:02] <bingo> ty
[05:03] <David-A> bingo: you can also kind of style things with conky and screenlets, both in software center
[05:04] <bingo> ty
[05:04] <David-A> bingo: oh i forgot, settings>windowmanagertweaks>compositor
[05:05] <David-A> bingo: they say you can install compiz with xfce, but i don't know how complicated that is. if you want rotating cube and those things.
[05:05] <bingo> cant find settings>windowmanger>style or settings>windowmanagertweaks>compositor
[05:05] <bingo> i found appearance and styles
[05:06] <bingo> oh i found them
[05:45] <kingbeowolf> I want to overclock my monitor refresh rate
[05:45] <kingbeowolf> whats the best way to do this in xubuntu
[05:46] <kingbeowolf> xrandr?
[10:55] <cer> hi everybody! Do you know of a microblogging client that allows you to post at the same time on different social network websites? In particular, I need google+ and twitter.
[11:07] <well_laid_lawn> cer:  the nsa has enough to read atm
[11:22] <cer> well_laid_lawn: :D:D:D:D
[11:23] <cer> well_laid_lawn: I wanted to make sure they did not get out of a job, I am working hard against unemployment rates
[11:23] <cer> well_laid_lawn: you know I need to post my fair sahere of cats, pictures of the fmaily and so on ....
[11:24] <cer> well_laid_lawn: in reality, it is because we have adopted google+ and twitter at work, but it si a disaster to have to repost everything twice, it is very time consuming
[11:31] <TheSheep> hmm, evince doesn show the "file view etc." menu for me
[11:33] <well_laid_lawn> keyboard shortcut doesn't bring it up ?
[11:34] <TheSheep> I tried ^M but no
[11:34] <TheSheep> what other shortcuts should i try?
[11:35] <TheSheep> hmm, it seems it only disappears on some documents :/
[11:37] <well_laid_lawn> might be time to try another pdf reader
[11:39] <TheSheep> I'd rather fix the xubuntu's default, thank you
[11:39] <well_laid_lawn> k :)
[11:54] <TheSheep> hmm, seems like switching to fullscreen and back brings the menu back, strange
[11:55] <knome> TheSheep, 13.10?
[11:55] <TheSheep> yeah
[11:55] <TheSheep> it only happens with some pdf files
[11:55] <knome> TheSheep, yep, the evince version in 13.10 is *weird*...
[11:56] <TheSheep> I wish they stopped fiddling with the user interface and instead added support for more formats, like epub, for example
[11:56]  * knome shrugs
[11:56] <TheSheep> but no, gnome
[11:56] <TheSheep> anyways, thanks
[11:56] <knome> well yeah, not much i can do here about evince...
[11:57] <knome> if you can put up a bug report though with possibly a pedf attached that has the problem... maybe we can get somebody to look at it or sth
[11:57] <knome> s/pedf/pdf/
[11:58] <TheSheep> they removed the 'report bug' from the menu...
[11:58] <knome> heh.
[11:58] <knome> ubuntu-bug evince
[11:58] <TheSheep> I know, I know, I can use launhcpad
[11:58] <knome> :]
[11:59] <TheSheep> Bugs are tracked in GNOME Bug Tracker.
[11:59] <TheSheep> marvelous
[11:59] <knome> heh.
[12:00] <knome> ultimately you can always report against the evince package in ubuntu
[12:00] <knome> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince
[12:00] <TheSheep> will do, thanks
[12:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> Since I use chrome, I usually pull evince off the system, altogether.
[12:11] <TheSheep> Poisoned_Dragon: what has one to do with the other?
[12:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> Google Chrome has a built in pdf reader now.
[12:12] <xubuntu354> xubuntu and all linux world is beautiful
[12:12] <xubuntu354> i love it
[12:13] <TheSheep> Poisoned_Dragon: evince is not just a readef for pdfs, it supports many more formats
[12:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> Meh... Never needed it for more than pdfs
[12:14] <TheSheep> good for you :)
[12:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> Not like I use Djvu
[12:16] <Poisoned_Dragon> Also, some of the format support relies on lib backends. I could probably use something other than evince.
[12:17] <well_laid_lawn> I use zathura
[12:50] <enrico_> Ciao a tutti, come faccio ad aumentare la luminosità massima del netbook? Su risparmio energetico non è settato niente che la abbassi, i pulsianti per regolare la luminosità funzionano ma quella massima è decisamente troppo bassa.
[12:51] <cfhowlett> !it|enrico_,
[12:52] <enrico_> Sorry, how do I increase the max brightness on my netbook? Energy saving settings are not the problem and brightness regulation with button works, but the max level is way too low
[12:53] <Myrtti> how old is your netbook?
[12:53] <enrico_> 2010
[12:53] <enrico_> eeepc t101mt
[12:57] <Myrtti> my laptop leds just dimmed the older it got, so it's also a possibility that they're going.
[12:58] <enrico_> It seems to be a common issue
[12:59] <enrico_> I've found a guide in italian that says to do "sudo edit /etc/rc.local"  and add a string
[12:59] <enrico_> but it says I don't have permission even if I type the right password
[13:00] <cfhowlett> enrico_, you have to be using the the sudo account ...
[13:00] <enrico_> sudo su?
[13:01] <enrico_> I'm a newbie, sorry for the silly question
[13:01] <bekks> enrico_: sudo su isnt necessary, since there is sudo -i
[13:01] <cfhowlett> enrico_, no apologies
[13:01] <cfhowlett> needed
[13:02] <enrico_> so
[13:02] <enrico_> sudo -i edit /etc/rc.local
[13:02] <enrico_> right?
[13:03] <cfhowlett> enrico_, gedit not edit
[13:04] <enrico_> I thought that was a typo, with gedit I get: -bash: gedit: command not found (in italian)
[13:04] <cfhowlett> enrico_, what is your editor?
[13:04] <enrico_> terminal
[13:05] <Myrtti> mousepad or leafpad or nano
[13:05] <cfhowlett> ^^^
[13:05] <enrico_> errr...
[13:05] <cfhowlett> should be nano
[13:05] <enrico_> where do I see that?
[13:06] <cfhowlett> do the command.  instead of edit use nano
[13:07] <enrico_> it works!
[13:07] <cfhowlett> :)
[13:08] <enrico_> ok, I've added the string
[13:09] <enrico_> ^0=save
[13:09] <enrico_> ?
[13:09] <enrico_> how do I do that
[13:09] <enrico_> or maybe that's an O
[13:10] <enrico_> definetly an O
[13:10] <TheSheep> ^ means ctrl
[13:10] <enrico_> Ok, that should be it
[13:10] <enrico_> I'll reboot and see if it works
[13:10] <enrico_> thanks a lot
[13:10] <enrico_> :)
[13:11] <cfhowlett> best of luck
[14:53] <xubuntu589> hi, I would like install xubuntu 13.10 on Dell C840 without USB,DVD...any clue?
[16:45] <amjjawad> Hi, need some help here for Xubuntu 12.04.3
[16:45] <holstein> amjjawad: ask, and we'll see if a volunteer has any direction for you
[16:45] <amjjawad> holstein: hi :)
[16:46] <amjjawad> I am giving an online support to someone who has Xubuntu 12.04 - chatting with him now - and chatting here
[16:46] <amjjawad> his Xubuntu 12.04.3 is fresh new installed
[16:46] <amjjawad> when he turn on his machine, he is stuck on the splash screen!!
[16:47] <jgmdev> which video card he has?
[16:47] <amjjawad> ahh, I need to ask ... I am the one who installed Xubuntu for him and when the machine was with me, it was perfect
[16:47] <amjjawad> I guess it was Radeon
[16:47] <holstein> !ati | amjjawad
[16:48] <jgmdev> did you installed catalyst?
[16:48] <holstein> !nomodeset | amjjawad
[16:48] <holstein> ^ thats how i try and get to a live desktop before installing
[16:48] <amjjawad> again, when the machine was with me at home, it worked perfectly
[16:48] <jgmdev> did you installed catalyst from amd site?
[16:49] <amjjawad> no
[16:49] <jgmdev> usually kernel upgrades mess up
[16:49] <amjjawad> because the machine worked :)
[16:49] <amjjawad> I hadn't do anything further
[16:49] <holstein> amjjawad: you installed for a friend? and the machine stopped working? could be the hardware in any capacity is failing.. or, an update (a kernel update for example) has broken something.. you could ask the user to boot an ealier kernel
[16:49] <holstein> ^^ as jgmdev is suggesting as well
[16:51] <amjjawad> I am sorry, I just checked and it is: Thinkpad T400 (I'm dying to have one of those Thinkpads - these are rock solid) with Centrino 2  @2.53GHz with 3GB RAM - Intel Graphics - Wireless driver = iwlwifi - the father (my neighbour) is going to use this one
[16:51] <amjjawad> just copied it from the email I sent to Xubuntu mailing list
[16:52] <holstein> amjjawad: *all* hardwar can fail
[16:52] <amjjawad> but
[16:52] <amjjawad> I am on the tty1
[16:52] <holstein> amjjawad: could be the hard drive or memory failing. have the user boot a live CD
[16:52] <amjjawad> and it gives us: E:unmet dependancies, try using -f after trying to run "sudo apt-get upgrade"
[16:52] <holstein> amjjawad: are you in front of the machine? if so, boot a live CD and take the current installed OS out of the equation
[16:53] <holstein> amjjawad: could be you, or the 'friend' added unsupported sources
[16:53] <amjjawad> of course now, I am at my home and he is at his home :D I am helping him via Facebook
[16:53] <amjjawad> He has no experience with Linux, I doubt he did something :/
[16:54] <jgmdev> tell him to boot in rescue mode
[16:54] <jgmdev> then drop to root shell
[16:55] <jgmdev> and remount the main partition in write mode
[16:55] <holstein> amjjawad: something has caused unmet dependancies.. that could be breaking something, or be a symptom of a larger issue
[16:55] <amjjawad> "Nope, downloaded some stuff from torrents yesterday, checked quality then shut down" <<< what he sid
[16:55] <amjjawad> said*
[16:56] <amjjawad> "Downloaded dropbox, didnt ibstall, tried itunes and failed" << from him
[16:57] <holstein> amjjawad: fact: you see an error about packages.. the user has the sudo password. the user is new
[16:58] <amjjawad> but remember, he doesn't even know how to use the Terminal :)
[16:58] <holstein> amjjawad: you are assuming one would need access to a terminal to break an install... if he has the sudo password, that is enough
[16:59] <amjjawad> Ok
[16:59] <holstein> amjjawad: if it were me (as i do, professionally for any machine i work on) i would test the hardware if only briefly.. i would load a live CD to test with the current hard drive and OS configuration out of the equation. i would then test with a different user, and/or address the broken package issue
[17:01] <amjjawad> funny enough that I installed Lubuntu 13.10 to a woman (my neighbour too) and for a month now, she has never ever asked me a Q
[17:02] <holstein> amjjawad: i usually lock them down.. if im going to frequent the users machine personally, i make them a non-sudo user, and i have a sudo account that they dont have a password for.. or, i just make an image before handing it over
[17:02] <holstein> planning for failure is a good option, no matter what level the user is at..
[17:02] <amjjawad> what if they want to install something?
[17:03] <holstein> amjjawad: they ask me, and i do it properly, instead of "hey, i tried to download dropbox and a few torrents and the machine wont boot"
[17:04] <jgmdev> wow, not giving them permission to install application is too much xD
[17:04] <elfy> not from where I sit it isn't :)
[17:05] <holstein> if they want it, and ask, i'll give it.. but, its a way of promising them uptime.. i cant guarantee they wont break the system otherwise.. not in the beginning.. it requires education and time
[17:09] <amjjawad> black screen
[17:09] <amjjawad> I asked him to bring it to me better
[17:09] <amjjawad> I have a headache and can't really do much now so better to see the machine and play with it
[17:10] <jgmdev> yah just boot in rescude mode, drop to root shell and do whatever is needed
[17:20] <xubuntu964> hi, there
[17:23] <amjjawad> thank you guys, might need some help later
[17:23] <amjjawad> must go and have some rest, can't take the headache anymore ... cya and thanks :)
[18:22] <pmt_> problems with update of 13.10. My laptop without working screen all of a sudden did not use the external screen! Could not logon after restart. Anyone have a fix for this?
[20:44] <naquad> hi
[20:45] <naquad> i have an issue with Thunar & automounting: it doesn't work. udisksd is running, gvfs-udisks2-volume-monitor is running too, dmesg says device was added and manual mounting works, but Thunar doesn't automount :( how do i troubleshoot?
[22:48] <teebrz> Anyone know how I can get emacs24 to respect my icon choices? Changing sets changes the icons for firefox etc, but emacs keeps it's crummy old one - the pack has an icon for emacs


[00:00] <blueyed> Just report it manually, through LP webinterface and then attach the files / info manually.
[00:00] <telexicon> ok
[00:02] <ubotu> New bug: #162992 in ubuntu ""top" core-dumps when console window is shrunk" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162992
[00:06] <ubotu> New bug: #162991 in gdm "Stops logging after .xsession-errors grows large (dup-of: 15027)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162991
[00:06] <ubotu> New bug: #162993 in ia32-libs "ia32-libs missing 32-bit gnome libraries needed for gtk stock icons" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162993
[00:06] <ubotu> New bug: #162994 in ubuntu "suspend and hibernate broken in hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162994
[00:10] <ubotu> New bug: #162995 in ubuntu "no image in dvd totem" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162995
[00:10] <ubotu> New bug: #162996 in update-manager-core (main) "do-release-upgrade gives Traceback when using a proxy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162996
[00:12] <blueyed> telexicon: is it bug 162992 that you've reported?
[00:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 162992 in ubuntu ""top" core-dumps when console window is shrunk" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162992
[00:15] <ubotu> New bug: #162997 in ubuntu "cannot sync PalmOS Treo PDA" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162997
[00:20] <ubotu> New bug: #162998 in xdvik-ja (universe) "Please sync xdvik-ja 22.84.12-j1.34-1  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162998
[00:25] <ubotu> New bug: #162999 in ubuntu "Update manager failed with unresolved issues" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/162999
[00:30] <ubotu> New bug: #163000 in ltsp (main) "ltsp-client-setup changes order of lts.conf "RCFILE_nn" and breaks some scripts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163000
[00:40] <ubotu> New bug: #163001 in openoffice.org (main) "Presentation Wizard image art bug" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163001
[00:54] <telexicon> bluekuja, no
[00:55] <telexicon> 162992
[00:55] <telexicon> no i haven't reported it yet
[00:55] <telexicon> im debating whether i should
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #163004 in file-roller (main) "Segmentation Error when unzipping Open Arena" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163004
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #163005 in openoffice.org (main) "no highlight text integration with the gnome theme" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163005
[01:16] <ubotu> New bug: #163007 in gcalctool (main) "Constants keyboard shortcuts broken in alphabetic precedence mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163007
[01:16] <ubotu> New bug: #163008 in ipy (universe) "python-ipy should be synced with upstream 0.55, alreayd in debian" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163008
[01:35] <ubotu> New bug: #163009 in network-manager (main) "odd syslog errors for NetworkManager" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163009
[01:46] <ubotu> New bug: #163010 in ubuntu "ACPI causes system lockup on Ubuntu 7.10 with Foxconn 945P7AA Motherboard" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163010
[01:47] <Jimerson> Good evening all.
[01:50]  * Hobbsee waves
[01:51] <Jimerson> How are you this evening?
[01:51] <Hobbsee> hating physics :)
[01:52]  * Hobbsee did a physics exam a few hours ago :)
[01:52] <Jimerson> Been there done that :)
[02:01] <ubotu> New bug: #163011 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "[FTBFS] unknown field ‘aio_reserved3’ building User Mode Linux" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163011
[02:01] <ajmitch> that bug looks familiar
[02:30] <ubotu> New bug: #163019 in ubuntu "open office crashes when i try and edit apearence preferences " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163019
[02:40] <ubotu> New bug: #163020 in network-manager (main) "Network Manager runs Ralink RT2500 poorly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163020
[03:15] <ubotu> New bug: #163021 in kile (universe) "ps2pdf ends up with a file with no top space" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163021
[03:55] <ubotu> New bug: #163026 in thunderbird (main) "Missing /usr/bin/mozilla-thunderbird required by firefox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163026
[04:05] <ubotu> New bug: #163027 in totem (main) "[hardy] New upstream Totem release" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163027
[04:30] <ubotu> New bug: #163028 in petsc (universe) "While trying to compile against libpetsc2.3.2-dev:  "undefined reference to `PetscFPrintf'" ...." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163028
[04:41] <ubotu> New bug: #163029 in gnome-panel (main) "Preferences for Workspaces doesn't allow you to add more workspaces" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163029
[04:50] <ubotu> New bug: #163030 in landscape-client (main) "Against Ubuntu Promise" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163030
[05:57] <Hobbsee> !codecs
[05:57] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:26] <ubotu> New bug: #163037 in ubuntu "Many applications of universe are neglected and produce frustration in users" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163037
[06:31] <ubotu> New bug: #163038 in psi (universe) "Please sync psi 0.11-3 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163038
[06:37] <warp10> Hi all!
[06:44] <dholbach> good morning
[06:45] <persia> hello dholbach
[06:47] <dholbach> hey persia
[07:16] <ubotu> New bug: #163039 in banshee (universe) "Banshee SIGSEGV on startup in gtksharp_cellrenderer_override_get_size on PPC" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163039
[07:21] <ubotu> New bug: #163040 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] gtkmm-utils" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163040
[07:27] <ubotu> New bug: #163041 in ktorrent (main) "[SPONSOR] Ktorrent 2.2.3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163041
[07:27] <ubotu> New bug: #163042 in samba (main) "nmbd crashes after routine Dapper upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163042
[07:33] <persia> Wasn't there a reason why we didn't like gtkmm ?
[07:35] <dholbach> persia: some people don't like C++ - other than that?
[07:36] <dholbach> upstream are nice guys
[07:36] <persia> dholbach: I thought there was some maintenance issue.  If you also can't remember specifics, there's no reason to post to the bug.  Maybe I'm thinking of gtkmm-1.2?
[07:36] <dholbach> yeah, that might be it
[07:50] <ubotu> New bug: #163044 in ubuntu "terminal display error when reading PDF files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163044
[08:06] <ubotu> New bug: #163045 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "TS-L632D writes blank DVDs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163045
[08:06] <ubotu> New bug: #163046 in ubuntu "Poor resolution and screen frozen in compiz fusion with board driver rv100 7000" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163046
[08:11] <ubotu> New bug: #163047 in ubuntu "firefox: mouse pointer disappears while page is loading" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163047
[08:16] <ubotu> New bug: #163048 in deskbar-applet (main) "deskbar doesn't detect mozilla search engines" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163048
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #163049 in ubufox (main) "ubufox adds universe repository altough it already exists" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163049
[08:42] <ubotu> New bug: #163051 in apport (main) "apport-retrace crashed with LPUrlError in _safe_urlopen()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163051
[09:06] <ubotu> New bug: #163036 in update-manager (main) "UNABLE TO UPDATE OR UPGRADE TO 7.10" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163036
[09:06] <ubotu> New bug: #163054 in rails (universe) "Please sync rails 1.2.4-1  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163054
[09:11] <ubotu> New bug: #163055 in pioneers (universe) "CVE-2007-5933: Remote denial of service" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163055
[09:11] <ubotu> New bug: #163056 in pioneers (universe) "CVE-2007-5933: Remote denial of service" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163056
[09:41] <ubotu> New bug: #163064 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Computer becomes unresponsive with 2.6.22-14-rt" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163064
[09:43] <persia> Right.  It's best to wait until the submitter finishes filing the bug before looking at it :)
[09:44] <ubotu> New bug: #163058 in ubuntu "Strange ACPI Behaviour (ACPI: Unable to turn cooling device [df80df18] 'on')" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163058
[09:44] <ubotu> New bug: #163059 in ubuntu "Wireless network activity slows down USB mouse" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163059
[09:44] <ubotu> New bug: #163060 in yelp (main) "Kann kein Update auf Gutsy durchführen, ACPI wird nicht mehr erkannt" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163060
[09:51] <ubotu> New bug: #163067 in libsdl1.2 (main) "libsdl-1,2debian-all claims to include ggi support but doesn't" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163067
[09:51] <ubotu> New bug: #163068 in kdegraphics (main) "kfaxview showing fax .TIF files with incorrect ratio" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163068
[10:04] <ubotu> New bug: #163071 in update-notifier (main) "Please backport hardy version into gutsy-backports" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163071
[10:05] <ubotu> New bug: #163070 in pidgin (main) "pidgin crashed with SIGSEGV in g_hash_table_remove()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163070
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #163073 in hibernate (universe) "after returning from hibernation, graphics in 3d games is messed up" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163073
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #163074 in dvd-slideshow (multiverse) "New upstream version" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163074
[10:16] <ubotu> New bug: #163075 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "dm-multipath + scsi_transport_fc interop problems" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163075
[10:17] <ubotu> New bug: #163072 in ubuntu "oz776 smart card reader no longer works" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163072
[10:20] <ubotu> New bug: #163076 in multipath-tools (main) "New upstream version available" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163076
[11:05] <ubotu> New bug: #163081 in ubuntu "64bit gutsy doesnt show bootsplash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163081
[11:05] <ubotu> New bug: #163082 in evince (main) "PDF pages not rendered" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163082
[11:05] <ubotu> New bug: #163083 in acroread (multiverse) "acroread only prints the first page on hpij 1200" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163083
[11:36] <ubotu> New bug: #163086 in ubuntu "Applications > Quit works only after 2nd try in Xfce4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163086
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #163088 in wine (universe) "CPU lag with wine" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163088
[12:01] <dholbach> MOTU Q&A session in #ubuntu-classroom now
[12:22] <ubotu> New bug: #163089 in xserver-xorg-video-sis (main) "[hardy] upgrade driver to 0.9.4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163089
[12:22] <ubotu> New bug: #163090 in ubuntu "Login screen runs with different screen resolution than desktop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163090
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #163093 in xfce4-panel (main) "Panels disappeared from Xfce4 desktop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163093
[12:41] <ubotu> New bug: #163095 in gnome-panel (main) "sometimes the pc cant open a song or files, once i open a folder, it say "The folder contents could not be displayed". i have to restart it to open the files, but after sometimes, the error come out again. how?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163095
[12:50] <ubotu> New bug: #163097 in samba (main) "nmdb crashes on startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163097
[13:06] <ubotu> New bug: #163098 in evolution (main) "Evolution crashed while changing calendar properties" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163098
[13:11] <ubotu> New bug: #163099 in gnome-panel (main) "gnome panel crashed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163099
[13:41] <ubotu> New bug: #163102 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] libtext-levenshteinxs-perl" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163102
[13:41] <ubotu> New bug: #163103 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] libtk-toolbar-perl" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163103
[13:50] <ubotu> New bug: #163105 in ubuntu "Writer uses straight ticks instead of apostrophes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163105
[13:50] <ubotu> New bug: #163106 in thunar (main) "[gutsy] thunar produces lots of zombies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163106
[14:02] <ubotu> New bug: #163107 in kdepim (main) "KPilot Crash in PCToHHState::handleRecord()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163107
[14:20] <ubotu> New bug: #163110 in ubuntu "not work wi fi in laptop Acer aspire 3000" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163110
[14:28] <ubotu> New bug: #163111 in alsa-driver (main) "Sound at ICH5 Cannot work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163111
[14:31] <ubotu> New bug: #163112 in sarg (universe) "core dumped sarg last version" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163112
[14:55] <ubotu> New bug: #163114 in ubuntu "forbidden access to samba updates from security.ubuntu.com" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163114
[15:02] <ubotu> New bug: #163115 in ubuntu "HP nx7400 fails to resume from suspend to RAM " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163115
[15:02] <ubotu> New bug: #163117 in ubuntu "Startup screen displays colored pattern" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163117
[15:06] <ubotu> New bug: #163116 in samba (main) "libsmbclient: upgrade fails with error 403" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163116
[15:50] <ubotu> New bug: #163128 in python-central (main) "error after update Ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163128
[15:51] <ubotu> New bug: #163120 in ubuntu "add firmware-tools to Ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163120
[15:55] <ubotu> New bug: #163129 in db (universe) "bad description for db4.6_dump in db package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163129
[15:55] <ubotu> New bug: #163131 in ubuntu "network profiles can not be saved" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163131
[15:55] <ubotu> New bug: #163132 in kdepim (main) "Palm Zire 71 no sync: Kpilot crashes, serial or USB" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163132
[16:05] <ubotu> New bug: #163133 in xpdf (universe) "Merge version 3.02-1.3 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163133
[16:06] <ubotu> New bug: #163126 in gnumeric (main) "Printing misplaces merged cells background color" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163126
[16:08] <ubotu> New bug: #163122 in ubuntu "add firmware-addon-dell to Ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163122
[16:08] <ubotu> New bug: #163127 in compiz (main) "group plugin slows down everything" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163127
[16:09] <ubotu> New bug: #163121 in ubuntu "Cannot remove an application" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163121
[16:21] <ubotu> New bug: #163134 in evolution (main) "evolution occasionally but reliably hangs when opening calendar event or deleting calendar event" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163134
[16:26] <warp10> andrea-bs: \o/
[16:27] <andrea-bs> hi warp10
[16:31] <ubotu> New bug: #163135 in gnome-panel (main) "cannot config my workspace as i like" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163135
[16:31] <ubotu> New bug: #163137 in gnome-art (universe) "gnome-art : sh: gnome-theme-manager: not found" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163137
[16:37] <ubotu> New bug: #163136 in gst-fluendo-mpegdemux (universe) "Please sync gst-fluendo-mpegdemux (universe) 0.10-12-1 from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163136
[16:42] <norsetto> boo
[16:42] <bddebian> boo hoo ;-P
[16:55] <ubotu> New bug: #163138 in ekiga (main) "no install with web cam plugged in (orbit mp) no camera at all after install HELP ME!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163138
[17:01] <ubotu> New bug: #163139 in ubuntu "[sync request] Please sync miro from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163139
[17:05] <ubotu> New bug: #163140 in ubuntu "ubuntu Gutsy i386 crashes to busybox in Qemu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163140
[17:10] <ubotu> New bug: #163141 in ubuntu "Touchpad recognized as generic mouse on Thinkpad R61 laptop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163141
[17:10] <ubotu> New bug: #163142 in graphviz (main) "graphviz should be built with gtk support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163142
[17:26] <ubotu> New bug: #163146 in gnumeric (main) "gnumeric file open will not open xls files" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163146
[17:26] <ubotu> New bug: #163148 in ubuntu "Can't print with Canon LBP-660 in 7.10 (gutsy)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163148
[17:31] <ubotu> New bug: #163151 in ubuntu "Toshiba Satellite R20 Fails to Hibernate / Suspend" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163151
[17:45] <ubotu> New bug: #163154 in gnumeric (main) "change the setup to print is too complicate in gnumeric" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163154
[17:55] <ubotu> New bug: #163156 in linux-source-2.6.22 (main) "Fingerprint reader not recognized at all on Thinkpad R61 laptop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163156
[18:25] <ubotu> New bug: #163159 in gwenview (main) "gwenview cannot open Gimp" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163159
[18:26] <ubotu> New bug: #163158 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "[hardy] nvidia-glx-new driver and xserver-xorg-core version mismatch" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163158
[19:10] <ubotu> New bug: #157293 in dell "Gutsy wifi problem dell 1420n (dup-of: 146586)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157293
[19:10] <ubotu> New bug: #163166 in update-manager (main) "Get "403 Forbidden" in update manager" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163166
[19:10] <ubotu> New bug: #163167 in samba (main) "New Samba update fails to install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163167
[19:11] <ubotu> New bug: #163164 in meta-gnome2 (universe) "Ubuntu open text/plain documents with Evince" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163164
[19:11] <ubotu> New bug: #163165 in aclock.app (universe) "Please sync aclock.app 0.2.3-2  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163165
[19:12] <ubotu> New bug: #163160 in ubuntu "Unable to upgrade from 7.01 to 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163160
[19:12] <ubotu> New bug: #163161 in tomboy (main) "webdav sync does not work: fuse: mountpoint not empty" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163161
[19:16] <ubotu> New bug: #163168 in openoffice.org (main) "kde file picker clears filename" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163168
[19:25] <ubotu> New bug: #163169 in prelude-manager (universe) "errors from logrotate for files not present in default configuration" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163169
[19:25] <ubotu> New bug: #163170 in update-manager (main) "failed to fetch updates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163170
[19:28] <desertc> I found a simple GNOME bug.  Is it better to post to the Ubuntu bug list or the GNOME bug list?
[19:28] <desertc> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/17919
[19:30] <Kmos> desertc: gnome :)
[19:31] <griffinc> desertc: I was the one trying to help there...
[19:31] <desertc> Thanks for your attempts!  :-)
[19:31] <ubotu> New bug: #163171 in firefox (main) "I can not log on www. logmein.com" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163171
[19:31] <ubotu> New bug: #163174 in samba (main) "samba/smb/cifs shares in /etc/fstab do not auto-mount on boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163174
[19:32] <griffinc> sorry I could not find a fix.  I looked in the gnome bugzilla last night and did not see anything, so you might want to file it there.
[19:32] <desertc> Their bug tracker is so slow.
[19:33] <desertc> I love the Launchpad resource, but wish it spread it's info downstream.
[19:33] <griffinc> desertc: yes, it is.  and you are right about the F1 problem.
[19:33] <griffinc> it's a PITA
[19:34] <desertc> At least the work around is in Launchpad in case anyone else looks it up... :)
[19:34] <Kmos> desertc: attach to gnome bug the url of answers :)
[19:34] <desertc> The GNOME bug tracker is not coming up at all.  I'll have to try again later.
[19:34] <griffinc> bugzilla.gnome.org ?
[19:35] <Kmos> yes
[19:35] <desertc> Yes, not coming up.  Maybe I have to enable cookies.
[19:35] <griffinc> hm, working ok here
[19:35] <Kmos> it's slowly
[19:35] <ubotu> New bug: #163175 in update-manager (main) "update-manager /var/log/dist-upgrade/" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163175
[19:36] <desertc> No, nothing... I'll work on it later.  Thanks again for your help.
[19:36] <griffinc> desertc: np
[19:46] <ubotu> New bug: #163176 in samba (main) "Refuses to install, also samba and samba-common" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163176
[19:46] <ubotu> New bug: #163177 in update-manager (main) "Kubuntu 7.10 regular update dies with http error 403" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163177
[20:01] <ubotu> New bug: #163181 in exaile (universe) "[hardy] New upstream release <IP_ADDRESS>" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163181
[20:05] <ubotu> New bug: #163183 in rhythmbox (main) "Couldn't start playback Internal data flow error." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163183
[20:06] <ubotu> New bug: #163182 in ubuntu "Start-up hangs/jams on gutsy kernel 2.6.22-14-generic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163182
[20:10] <ubotu> New bug: #163184 in python-mysqldb (main) "MySQLdb reconnect patch is harmful" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163184
[20:27] <ubotu> New bug: #163187 in ubuntu "permission problem in security.ubuntu.com" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163187
[20:30] <ubotu> New bug: #163188 in yelp (main) "spelling and information issues " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163188
[20:33] <ubotu> New bug: #163189 in samba (main) "samba packages in gutsy-security repository have incorrect permissions (dup-of: 163116)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163189
[20:41] <ubotu> New bug: #163190 in ubuntu "Please add zd1201 driver to Ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163190
[21:08] <ubotu> New bug: #163197 in ubuntu "ubuntu 7.10 freez. intel core 2 quad q6600" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163197
[21:09] <ubotu> New bug: #163192 in xorg (main) "vesa driver freezes on VIA P4M900 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163192
[21:09] <ubotu> New bug: #163194 in samba (main) "need option to disable creation of lanman hashes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163194
[21:20] <ubotu> New bug: #163200 in gpib (universe) "Please sync gpib 3.2.09-2  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163200
[21:36] <ubotu> New bug: #163077 in xorg "Resolution not supported" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163077
[21:41] <ubotu> New bug: #163202 in grip (universe) "Please sync grip 3.3.1-13  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163202
[21:46] <ubotu> New bug: #163203 in ubuntu "Cannot Upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10 desktop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163203
[21:50] <ubotu> New bug: #163205 in kdemultimedia (main) "kubuntu: keyboard volume key always affects the main channel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163205
[22:05] <ubotu> New bug: #163206 in xubuntu-default-settings (main) "[Xubuntu] "Applications" menu button label can't be translated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163206
[22:05] <ubotu> New bug: #163207 in ubuntu "it just ask for an unknown "video/x-asf-unknown decoder" not installed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163207
[22:10] <ubotu> New bug: #163185 in ubuntu "ubuntu freezes completely (all graphics and mouse) when executing shell ascii forkbomb" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163185
[22:10] <ubotu> New bug: #163210 in gajim (universe) "wrong timezone sending on reqest "urn:xmpp:time (XEP-0202)"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163210
[22:21] <ubotu> New bug: #163211 in ubuntu "Vaio VGN-SZ3XWP docking station cant hot dock/undock." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163211
[22:26] <ubotu> New bug: #163212 in network-manager-openvpn (main) "network-manager-openvpn (kubuntu knetworkmanager version) with password authentication not working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163212
[22:40] <ubotu> New bug: #163213 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "thunderbird 2.0 couldn't manage any attachment (pdf, archives..etc..).Every time i ty to open a file attached to a message it can't be opened " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163213
[22:52] <ubotu> New bug: #163216 in knetworkmanager (main) "Channel Info is not refreshed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163216
[23:01] <ubotu> New bug: #163217 in thunderbird (main) "thunderbird marks mail as read after a delete" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163217
[23:05] <ubotu> New bug: #163218 in shorewall (main) "Shorewall broken DNAT feature" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163218
[23:05] <ubotu> New bug: #163220 in ubuntu "Update Manager bug" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163220
[23:11] <ubotu> New bug: #163222 in ubuntu "windows have lines to the right" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163222
[23:19] <ubotu> New bug: #163223 in ubuntu "When I login, the desktop doesnt't load completly and then it logs me out" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163223
[23:19] <ubotu> New bug: #163225 in ubuntu "xen kernel does not support CPU frequency scaling" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163225
[23:21] <ubotu> New bug: #163226 in ubuntu "some files could not be loaded" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163226
[23:26] <ubotu> New bug: #163227 in ubuntu "ubuntu jeos 7.10 boots to initramfs - busybox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163227
[23:26] <ubotu> New bug: #163230 in ubuntu "GnuTLS 2.0.4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163230
[23:26] <ubotu> New bug: #163231 in gcj-4.2 (main) "libgcj8-dev does not contain "static library" as advertised" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163231
[23:30] <ubotu> New bug: #163229 in ubuntu "fobidden (dup-of: 163166)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163229
[23:35] <baikonur> hi
[23:35] <ubotu> New bug: #163234 in dsniff (universe) "Please sync dsniff 2.4b1+debian-17  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163234
[23:35] <ubotu> New bug: #163235 in ubuntu "403 forbidden on security.ubuntu.com samba3.0.24 packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163235
[23:39] <baikonur> what do I do if http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/samba/libsmbclient_3.0.24-2ubuntu1.3_i386.deb is forbidden to download'?
[23:39] <baikonur> whom do I have to contact in order to get the permissions fixed?
[23:39] <keescook> baikonur: in a few hours, things will be better -- it is intentionally not available (due to a regression in the update)
[23:39] <Kmos> baikonur: no.. just wait for another update, it's removed
[23:40] <ubotu> New bug: #163236 in ubuntu "intel wireless ipw3945 randomly disconnects" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163236
[23:41] <baikonur> alright, thanks for the fast response
[23:44] <baikonur> can somebody explain to me why the status of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-mixer/+bug/90261 for "xfce4-mixer (Ubuntu)" is set to "incomplete" although there is no information about which information are missing. I would be glad to provide some. This problem really annoys me since upgrading to 7.10
[23:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 90261 in xfce4-mixer "Volume Control plugin can't be added to xfce4-panel" [Unknown,Confirmed]
[23:48] <Kmos> baikonur: isn't fixed upstream yet
[23:49] <Kmos> http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2971
[23:49] <ubotu> XFCE bug 2971 in mixer "Volume Control plugin can't be added to xfce4-panel" [Normal,New]
[23:49] <baikonur> Kmos: hmm, there it isn't assigned to anybody
[23:58] <Kmos> baikonur: no problem about that


[02:38] <wrst> Omnifrog: how is the new arrival doing?
[02:38] <wrst> howdy chris4585
[02:39] <chris4585> hey wrst
[02:51] <wrst> all going well chris4585?
[02:59] <chris4585> wrst, yes, thanks for asking
[02:59] <wrst> great
[03:12] <chris4585> wrst, yourself?
[15:30] <wrst> Unit193: looks like ubuntu is headed to systemd also
[17:40] <FredN> hello TNteam
[17:41] <FredN> new member here
[17:41] <twayneprice> Hey FredN .  Welcome to Nashville.  :)
[17:42] <FredN> thanks
[18:21] <wrst> hello FredN
[18:23] <FredN> hi, glad to be a part of the team
[18:24] <wrst> FredN: Friday treating you well?
[19:00] <FredN> yes, very well, it's a long weekend for me
[19:00] <FredN> you?
[19:01] <wrst> not a long weekend for me, but my wife (teacher) will be rubbing it in all weekend
[19:03] <FredN> heh, my wife and i are both teachers
[19:04] <wrst> ahh makes sense, my wife teaches kindergarten
[19:06] <FredN> music here
[19:07] <wrst> sweet
[19:07] <wrst> something that gets way too forgotten in all the no child left behind, common core, etc
[19:08] <FredN> indeed, which is more or less what brings me to the ubuntu community et al
[19:09] <wrst> really?
[19:09] <wrst> I get a little frustrated when people speak about math scores this or that and they cut music to help math and that's being entirely counter intuitive
[19:10] <FredN> well on one hand the district i teach in could greatly benefit from using open source software
[19:11] <FredN> instead of wasting precious resources for the same effect
[19:12] <FredN> on the other, i don't know if "fighting the good fight" is for me
[19:12] <FredN> but we'll see
[19:12] <wrst> I think you have to choose your battles
[19:13] <FredN> definitely true
[19:13] <FredN> at this point, i am just finally pursuing a long time interest
[19:13] <wrst> I'm not an open source worshipper however so I choose the practical route most of the time
[19:13] <wrst> so FredN you running/using linux?
[19:14] <FredN> ubuntu LTS on my laptop
[19:15] <wrst> cool
[19:15] <FredN> used to be a windows machine, my wife downloaded every piece of malware she could find lol
[19:16] <FredN> couldn't recover
[19:16] <wrst> ha ha I know the feeling
[19:16] <FredN> so i switched to ubuntu
[19:16] <FredN> got a mac desktop
[19:16] <FredN> everything is safe so far
[19:16] <wrst> I run Arch Linux on my laptop, have my mom on Ubuntu
[19:16] <wrst> yep my wife is an iFanatic so she has a macbook
[19:17] <FredN> i was debating between MInt and Ubuntu
[19:17] <FredN> Ubuntu seems easier for newbs like me
[19:18] <FredN> at least easier to find support
[19:18] <FredN> but i'm getting the hang of it
[19:18] <FredN> trying to use the terminal a little more
[19:19] <wrst> FredN: lots of people in here really good providing support so don't hesitate to ask
[19:19] <wrst> Unit193: is pretty much expert on all things ubuntu and cyberanger as well
[19:19] <FredN> great
[19:20]  * cyberanger isn't a fan of unity either
[19:20] <wrst> and I can really help you mess things up if you want help doing that :)
[19:20] <cyberanger> so bonus points if it's xubuntu, lubuntu or kubuntu
[19:20] <cyberanger> and a real win for ubuntu server
[19:21] <FredN> no bonus points for me :/
[19:21] <wrst> ha ha FredN cyberanger is hard core
[19:21] <wrst> :)
[19:21] <cyberanger> FredN: that's ok, just like who's line, the points don't matter ;-)
[19:22] <FredN> ha
[19:22] <wrst> FredN: I'm assuming you are a musician since you teach music, tried any of the recording software like ardour or audacity ?
[19:22] <wrst> or looked at ubuntu studio ?
[19:23] <FredN> looked at audacity once, haven't needed them yet
[19:24] <wrst> prety neat stuff, we use audacity to record at church with good results especially considering what I'm running it on
[19:25] <FredN> yea since we have the mac, i use garageband from time to time
[19:25] <FredN> to play with myself for lack of a better phrase
[19:25] <wrst> ha ha
[19:26] <wrst> we used that a few weeks ago to create a loop worked pretty well, a little limiting but really quick and sounded nice
[19:31] <cyberanger> FredN: solo practice might be that better word
[19:31] <cyberanger> but is it really practice if your just jamming
[19:32] <FredN> more like playing all parts of a quartet
[19:33] <FredN> but i do play jazz
[19:33] <wrst> well, FredN you are way over my head musically :)
[19:34] <cyberanger> Nice, I'm more of a rock fan, but I love Jazz & Blues too
[19:35] <cyberanger> probally my second favorite genre
[19:35] <FredN> that's ok you guys are way over my head technologically
[19:35] <wrst> oh I'm probably not :)
[19:37]  * cyberanger whistles innocently while trying to decide how to reply there
[19:37] <wrst> ha
[19:38] <cyberanger> still, sometimes you want real instruments, no sampling, no synthisizers
[19:38] <cyberanger> and you need talent there too
[19:38] <FredN> being a trombone player sets me pretty firmly in the acoustic category
[19:39] <cyberanger> I listen to real talent on pandora while fixing firewalls & such (my real talent I guess)
[19:39] <FredN> though i once saw a jazz guy from CO go to town through a crazy electric setup
[19:39] <wrst> I'm too out of shape for that :)
[19:39] <wrst> even if my wife does say I'm full of hot air
[19:40] <FredN> haha
[19:40] <cyberanger> I've heard some acoustic stuff that I thought sounded better than the main track
[19:40] <FredN> it's all about efficiency
[19:41] <cyberanger> just becuase of how they had to adapt to playing with no post production
[19:41] <FredN> depends what you want to hear
[19:41] <FredN> ear candy (uber-produced, autotuned etc)
[19:42] <FredN> or a performance that makes music a human thing
[19:42] <wrst> ear candy is not so sweet for my taste
[19:42] <cyberanger> true, there's a difference to overlay of vocals, vs dubstep
[19:42] <FredN> nothing wrong with tweaking this and that in the studio
[19:42] <FredN> but there is a line
[19:43] <wrst> agreed
[19:43] <cyberanger> yeah, agreed, same as there is nothing wrong with trying something different in a live set (like a radio studio) or show
[19:44] <cyberanger> and there's nothing wrong with a good cover like what nirvana did with bowie's the man who sold the world
[19:44] <FredN> yep
[19:47] <cyberanger> I can tell you must really like teaching music
[19:48] <cyberanger> still have passion for it, those were the teachers I liked, easier to enjoy it without the burnout
[19:48] <cyberanger> easier to learn what you enjoy
[19:51] <Unit193> wrst: I don't know *Ubuntu* hardly at all, never use Unity.  And where did you see the sysd bit?
[19:51] <wrst> Unit193: check shuttleworth's blog
[19:52] <FredN> well i will always have passion for music and teaching music, fortunately the public school system is not the only avenue
[19:53] <wrst> Unit193: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1316
[19:54] <Unit193> wrst: Hah, with how much you like it and all, you sure look at that thing more than I do. :P
[19:54] <wrst> I follow jono bacon on G+ I'm not antibuntu Unit193 :P
[19:54] <wrst> and that makes me like it more actually
[19:55] <Unit193> I don't. :P
[19:56] <cyberanger> FredN: yeah, that helps, public school half my life, boarding school the other half
[19:57] <cyberanger> and you'll notice, we're not a typical loco, some of us are bigger fans of other distros
[19:57] <cyberanger> I don't think any are anti-ubuntu, just preferences shift over time
[19:58] <wrst> yep but we all use, support, and install ubuntu in some way or fashion
[19:58]  * Unit193 mainly Xubuntu.
[19:58] <cyberanger> well, or we fake it at least >:-)
[19:59] <FredN> i can imagine i will change tastes over time, ubuntu is just the part of the pool where i got my feet wet
[19:59] <cyberanger> Ubuntu Server, Debian custom builds (Ubuntu is based off the Debian distro) and Kali linux (also based off of Debian)
[20:00] <cyberanger> wrst will tell you to forget getting your feet wet, just jump in the deep end with arch linux
[20:00] <cyberanger> well, actually wrst won't, but many arch users do say stuff like that
[20:01] <wrst> yeah arch users that say that aren't real bright :)
[20:01] <FredN> hah
[20:01] <wrst> I think for sane people ubuntu is really good and debian also if you want something a little different sometime
[20:02] <FredN> so i would like to contribute more than being an enthusiastic user
[20:02] <FredN> been searching around for a place to start
[20:04] <cyberanger> that depends on skillset to a point, can you code, translate, document, have the paitence for support etc.
[20:04] <cyberanger> I can barely do one of those things
[20:05] <wrst> FredN: just as you ask that question, this comes across my twitter feed: http://ubuntusense.com/2014/02/14/ubuntu-documentation-day-2014/
[20:06] <FredN> haha yea, skills are limited
[20:07] <FredN> wrst: thanks
[20:07] <FredN> seems like what i'm looking for
[20:08] <cyberanger> skills maybe limited, but the bigger issue is when even limited skills are wasted
[20:08] <cyberanger> or some saying like that
[20:09]  * cyberanger tries to recall that saying from middle school
[22:07] <cyberanger> gotta love znc
[22:08]  * wrst points cyberanger to quassel
[22:10]  * cyberanger points rifle at quassel
[22:10]  * cyberanger holds fire, checks for hunting permit
[22:11] <cyberanger> wrst: how do you use a webchat client with quassel
[22:13] <wrst> I don't, just use my phone if i'm in that need
[22:13] <wrst> but don't think that is possible
[22:13] <cyberanger> not only is that possible with znc, I have kiwi irc setup just for that reason
[22:14] <wrst> yep because znc is just an irc server that connects to another irc server :)
[22:15] <cyberanger> exactly, only now it's one that does so securely without errors (which would have annoyed anyone I may offer an account for it
[22:15] <wrst> cool :)
[22:15] <cyberanger> but I'll still keep an eye on the cert, despite having a valid and "trusted" CA sign it)
[22:16] <cyberanger> FredN: one thing you'll notice about me, I am a bit overkill with security
[22:17] <FredN> better safe than sorry i say
[22:17]  * cyberanger isn't paranoid, it's just...well....everybody is out to get me, that's all
[22:17] <wrst> ha :)
[22:18]  * cyberanger might want to back off that joke a little, use it too much and people might forget it's a joke
[22:19] <cyberanger> wrst: tried smuxi
[22:20] <cyberanger> ?
[22:20] <Unit193> Sounded interesting actually, just don't like that it's mono.
[22:20] <wrst> yes
[22:20] <Unit193> ncurses, gtk, and qt UIs.
[22:20] <wrst> you would think I would love it since its gtk
[22:20] <wrst> but harder to set up
[22:20] <wrst> so never been motivated to learn
[22:23] <wrst> also not for sure on an android client?
[22:25] <cyberanger> not sure either, ncurses is my ideal client, but then I gotta have something for android (andchat in my case) and days where I'm not at my computer for one reason or another (kiwi irc or pchat portable)
[22:25] <cyberanger> znc meets this best since it's able to be used with anything
[22:25] <wrst> yep and with znc could use a native android client
[22:28] <cyberanger> or pick up an iphone or windows phone, or even just a feature phone and install any irc client and go (why would I ever do any of this, maybe I'm in a jam and a used blackberry was cheap)
[22:29] <cyberanger> just saying, I like keeping options open
[22:38] <FredN> so i'm using xchat
[22:38] <FredN> seems super basic compared to quassel
[22:40] <FredN> but i haven't looked into any of xchat's features yet either
[23:41] <wrst> Omnifrog: all doing well?
[23:44] <Omnifrog> hi wrst
[23:44] <Omnifrog> recovering well from the snowpocalypse
[23:45] <Omnifrog> how's the frozen tundra there?
[23:45]  * cyberanger debates that, but conceeds it's unusual down there


[00:41] <kenvandine> robru, i don't think so
[00:41] <kenvandine> been there for quite a while
[00:44] <robru> kenvandine: Hmmmmmmm, train only found them in the xenial package
[00:44] <kenvandine> ok, so maybe in the overlay ppa then and not vivid proper
[00:45] <robru> kenvandine: did the format change at some point? Train looks for debian/tests/control
[00:45] <kenvandine> i thought they landed before vivid was released, but likely wrong
[00:45] <kenvandine> nope, we use debian/tests/control
[00:45] <robru> kenvandine: but the package I'm testing i grabbed from overlay ;-)
[00:45] <kenvandine> that has to have them
[00:46] <kenvandine> there is no delta between overlay and xenial
[02:35] <robru> kenvandine: can you comment on this failure? Is this expected<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:25] <tvoss> good morning
[08:25] <tvoss> robru, you happen to be around?
[08:25] <tvoss> robru, if so: what is our policy on landing to wily and xenial?
[08:25] <tvoss> robru, do we have a combined target for both available?
[09:32] <sil2100> davmor2, rvr: any news on silo 0?
[09:32] <sil2100> Since jibel mentioned that was the last one needed to land
[09:32] <sil2100> I don't see it even ready for QA..
[09:33] <davmor2> sil2100: you have as much info as I do, I just logged in ;)
[09:59] <rvr> davmor2: sil2100: Nope, I have no news
[10:03] <morphis> sil2100: ping
[10:04] <Mirv> OTA-8 candidate bug #1514173 <- jibel, sil2100
[10:10] <jibel> Mirv, k, do you have an example of this crash with an application?
[10:16] <Mirv> jibel: I'm asking faenil to show up and tell about it
[10:17] <Mirv> or zsombi can fill in if faenil doesn't appear
[10:18] <faenil> Mirv: here I am
[10:18] <zsombi> Mirv: I only know that there is a crash, not sure whether the app has been released with it or not. I assume if this is a blocker, it means the release or RC doesn't have the changes which would cause the crash
[10:18] <zsombi> faenil: ^ do you have an answer to this?
[10:18] <zsombi> faenil: Mirv: if the app changes are not in RC, then it's not OTA-8
[10:18] <faenil> jibel: re the bug, it's a bug I found while playing with the component, apps are in the process of transitioning to ListItemLayout, so I can't say if any of them causes the crash
[10:19] <zsombi> jibel: faenil: then it smells to me it's OTA-9
[10:19] <faenil> if there's any app released in OTA8 that uses ListItemLayout with an <img> tag in the text, it's going to crash
[10:20] <faenil> zsombi: let's hope no apps released for OTA8 trigger the bug then...
[10:21] <jibel> faenil, do you have an example of such app?
[10:21] <faenil> it's a risk...but if it's too much trouble to pull the fix in for OTA8, then yes, it's not a really common usecase
[10:21] <zsombi> faenil: show an app from RC image that has this crash
[10:22] <faenil> zsombi: jibel I don't know. Telegram uses <img> in its delegates, but Telegram is not using ListItemLayout yet
[10:22] <zsombi> OTA9 then
[10:23] <jibel> faenil, zsombi well a crash in the sdk sounds critical to me, if the fix is safe and you can kand just this fix then it's worth preparing a silo and then we can decide to land or not in ota8
[10:23] <sil2100> morphis: pong
[10:23] <jibel> s/kand/land
[10:23] <morphis> sil2100: OTA8 is now in freeze, right?
[10:23] <sil2100> jibel: we still waiting for silo 0 or should I do the snapshot and first rc candidate without that?
[10:23] <zsombi> jibel: all AP tests are crashing here'n'there lately... no idea where the crash is so far... bzoltan_ suffers with this for days
[10:23] <sil2100> morphis: yes, we don't accept anything else for ota8
[10:23] <morphis> sil2100: just wanted to know when the doors are open for ota9 things
[10:24] <jibel> sil2100, wait, probably more fixes to land today
[10:24] <sil2100> morphis: you want to land anything to the overlay?
[10:24] <bzoltan_> jibel:  I do... I really do
[10:24] <morphis> sil2100: nothing for ota8
[10:24] <Mirv> faenil: it's not that much about trouble but the risk involved in changing UITK at this point. so it depends on how risky the fix is.
[10:24] <sil2100> jibel: uh, so we stay frozen? Since we could let ota9 landings land to the overlay, but it would make things confusing for me as I would have to cherry pick to the snapshot
[10:24] <zsombi> jibel: bzoltan_ so as doors are closed, nothing will go for ota8 anymore, ota9 will get the fix, but first we have to find what causes the random crashes on AP!
[10:24] <jibel> sil2100, yes, we stay frozen
[10:25] <faenil> Mirv: I'd say the fix has quite low risk, but if pulling that fix will pull more stuff from recent uitk releases, then I can't say
[10:25] <faenil> (I don't know if you cherrypick it)
[10:25] <Mirv> faenil: yeah it would definitely need to be single cherry-pick fix if something. but those AP problems zsombi mentions complicate the issue.
[10:25] <faenil> Mirv: ok
[10:26] <zsombi> faenil: we already have few bugs we cherrypicked, and those were OK with AP... but something got basted since then
[10:27] <faenil> zsombi: ok
[10:29] <bzoltan_> zsombi: jibel: brendand knows about it and he knows how to reproduce the issue.. IMO it is a showstopper one.
[10:29] <faenil> I agree with jibel that a crash fix is a crash fix, it shouldn't be postponed. But given there are AP failures and the ListItemLayout bug requires a quite special usecase to be triggered, it could make sense...
[10:30] <faenil> jibel: just saw your tag. that bug is not a regression (fyi).
[10:31] <faenil> it is a new component (introduced in OTA7), the bug has always been there since the component was released
[10:31] <faenil> jibel: ^
[10:31] <brendand> bzoltan_, btw i'm looking at that now, i reproduced the issue
[10:32] <jibel> faenil, ok, thanks for the clarification
[10:32] <faenil> jibel: np :)
[10:32] <bzoltan_> brendand: thanks man!
[10:33] <brendand> bzoltan_, apart from the crash though what about all the failures?
[10:34] <bzoltan_> brendand:  I would be happy to jump on them and fix them.. but first is to bring back the AP tests to non crashing state
[11:09] <brendand> bzoltan_, i'm still not sure why the crash is happening but it is related to test failing, so no failures, no crashes :P
[11:10] <bzoltan_> brendand: Nice try :) but no. The Unity/Mir should not crash after a failing AP test... AP tests to very simple user interaction stuff.. apps could do the same.
[11:11] <brendand> bzoltan_, it happens when trying to write some error logs to the result
[11:11] <bzoltan_> brendand:  then it is an autopilot bug + a regression in Mir/Unity
[11:11] <brendand> bzoltan_, it's neither of those
[11:12] <brendand> bzoltan_, it's a testtools bug that's being exposed by lots of failures in uitk tests
[11:12] <bzoltan_> brendand:  what else could it be? Can not be UITK because I do have logs from the very same UITK with a different image... image changed, UITK AP tests crash... so something has landed
[11:13] <bzoltan_> brendand: nice try again... but please do not try to blame the UITK for something what it is not responisble for. No AP should crash the shell
[11:13] <brendand> bzoltan_, every time a test fails it tries to write some extra logs and at some point (probably on a race condition) that is not working and it crashes autopilot
[11:13] <bzoltan_> brendand:  Okey, then it is an autopilot bug
[11:13] <bzoltan_> brendand:  failing test must not crash the whole system
[11:14] <brendand> bzoltan_, of course
[11:14] <bzoltan_> brendand:  and we are not seeking 100% test success here... we are trying to prevent regression.. so tests failed yesterday can fail today... but tests failed yesterday can not block other test runs.
[11:15] <bzoltan_> brendand:  I am sure that something has landed in the last weeks what made this regression... because it is a serious regression.
[11:27] <brendand> bzoltan_, it's pretty unlikely to have been either testtools or autopilot though as they are practically static. i'm sure it's an existing issue there that's been exposed by some change
[11:29] <bzoltan_> brendand:  Most probably ... not the first time that somebody just dumped an untested crap on the Overlay... untested I mean not running the UITK tests.
[11:29] <bzoltan_> brendand:   do we have a dashboard to see since what image the UITK tests crash?
[11:30] <brendand> bzoltan_, nope
[11:30] <bzoltan_> brendand:  we used to have such dashboard :(
[11:31] <brendand> bzoltan_, we did, but only a handful of people took any responsibility for it
[11:31] <brendand> bzoltan_, whereas everyone was supposed to
[11:31] <bzoltan_> brendand: :(
[11:31] <brendand> bzoltan_, and some other changes meant the tests stopped being run a while back
[11:32] <brendand> bzoltan_, you could get a jenkins instance from ci and set up a regular run
[11:40] <bzoltan_> brendand: so what should we do now?
[11:41] <bzoltan_> brendand:  what disturbs me a lot is that stuff can land and screw up UITK tests without much control
[12:11] <mardy> rvr: hi! Did you manage to test silo 1 with the new click?
[12:12] <rvr> mardy: Nope, needed to land a higher priority silo
[12:12] <mardy> rvr: ok
[13:45] <tvoss> sil2100, ping
[13:49] <boiko> jibel: bfiller: not sure if there is still time, but: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/638
[13:58] <pmcgowan> boiko, yeah we want that one
[13:59] <pmcgowan> mark it when ready
[13:59] <boiko> pmcgowan: ready already
[13:59] <pmcgowan> davmor2, then ^^
[14:00] <pmcgowan> boiko, is it marked ready?
[14:00] <pmcgowan> oh it is
[14:01] <boiko> pmcgowan: yep
[14:02] <davmor2> pmcgowan: is that silo 0
[14:03] <davmor2> ah no 55
[14:03] <davmor2> rvr: ^^ silo 55 is in jibel's list of bug fixes
[14:04] <davmor2> pmcgowan, boiko: any news on silo0
[14:04] <boiko> davmor2: salem_ is working on it, fixing a bug bfiller found
[14:05] <davmor2> boiko: nice thanks
[14:17] <pmcgowan> davmor2, which image has silo 2? its not working here for me
[14:19] <davmor2> pmcgowan: 172 on krillin
[14:19] <pmcgowan> davmor2, not working on mako or mx4 for me
[14:19] <pmcgowan> with whatever I got this morning
[14:20] <pmcgowan> davmor2, I understood it would be in the next image
[14:21] <davmor2> pmcgowan: yes the one that landed last night 172, 171 was the last build yesterday
[14:21] <pmcgowan> davmor2, I am saying the update I got an hour ago does not have it, is that expected?
[14:22] <pmcgowan> or is it me
[14:22] <davmor2> pmcgowan: opening here I get a location on the front road almost instantly
[14:23] <ogra_> on MX4 image 162 location works fine again for me too
[14:24] <davmor2> pmcgowan: http://people.canonical.com/~lzemczak/landing-team/ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/172.commitlog
[14:25] <pmcgowan> something wrong here
[14:25] <pmcgowan> about telss me I have 154 which I updated to 11/11
[14:25] <pmcgowan> wtf
[14:28] <pmcgowan> I have the wrong channel
[14:28] <davmor2> pmcgowan: indeed somehow
[14:29] <davmor2> pmcgowan: that sounds most strange
[14:29] <pmcgowan> davmor2, last time I reflashed I picked poorly
[14:29] <pmcgowan> cockpit error
[14:30] <davmor2> pmcgowan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubw5N8iVDHI
[14:32] <pmcgowan> davmor2, I just bricked my phone with a wrong flash
[14:32] <pmcgowan> forgot to give it a channel so it installed v1
[14:33] <davmor2> pmcgowan: ouch yeah that will do it, for mx4 power and volume down to get to bootloader, for mako power and volume+ & volume-
[14:33] <pmcgowan> davmor2, its back
[14:34] <pmcgowan> now to fix it
[14:42] <davmor2> pmcgowan: you all sorted now?
[14:42] <pmcgowan> davmor2, waiting to see, it keeps saying failed to enter recovery but then finishes
[14:42] <pmcgowan> ubuntu spinny logo
[14:44] <davmor2> pmcgowan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ChannelsToFlash  does your flash command resemble the ones on that page?
[14:45] <pmcgowan> davmor2, I have 162 now
[14:45] <davmor2> \o/
[14:45] <davmor2> pmcgowan: and does location work now?
[14:45] <pmcgowan> davmor2, at some pint I used ubuntu instead of mezu.en
[14:46] <pmcgowan> davmor2, yes, bam
[14:46] <davmor2> pmcgowan: \o/
[14:53] <salem_> trainguards, hi, can you guys help me with silo 0 and 20? we created two silos because we can't dual land libphonenumber as it's a source package, but we have to land dialer-app along with the libphonenumber change. But the vivid silo now complains about versioning of dialer-app. how should I proceed?
[14:58] <xavigarcia> trainguards: hey guys, one question... I see silo 46 landed. Just would like to know if it landed for ota-8 or ota-9
[14:58] <xavigarcia> trainguards: please note that the silo adds some new strings that need to be translated
[14:59] <sil2100> salem_: I'm on holidays right now but let me try taking a quick look
[15:00] <sil2100> salem_: ok, seeing the vivid silo it seems dialer-app needs a rebuild
[15:05] <xavigarcia> sil2100, Hi there... sorry to bother you, I know you are off today... silo 46 landed and in case it landed in ota-8 I think we might have problems... the silo adds new strings that I'm not sure are translated
[15:06] <salem_> sil2100, I tried that, but I believe the problem here is that I am using the same MR on both silos. we usually do dual landing for dialer-app.
[15:06] <sil2100> salem_: ah, yeah, that won't do...
[15:07] <sil2100> salem_: you can just have a separate silo for just dialer-app if anything and dual land that there
[15:07] <sil2100> If, of course, you don't need to build against the new libphonenumber explicitly
[15:07] <salem_> sil2100, yes, we don't. I think I will end up doing that. thanks!
[15:08] <sil2100> salem_: this would make some things easier, and you can ask QA to for instance signoff both at once
[15:08] <salem_> sil2100, yeah, will do that. thanks for the help. enjoy your holidays :)
[15:09] <alecu> sil2100: sorry to bother, but we are concerned with xavigarcia about silo 46 being published
[15:09] <alecu> sil2100: we decided to delay it to OTA-9, but it seems that it was published yesterday: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-046-2-publish/27/
[15:10] <alecu> was it somehow published to OTA-8?
[15:11] <alecu> any other trainguard around? ^^^
[15:12] <sil2100> alecu: it was signed off so we landed it, it was rebuilt without the dep-changes right?
[15:13] <alecu> sil2100: yes, it was rebuilt without that, but it was bounced by cyphermox after that
[15:13] <alecu> sil2100: and since it was already late, we decided to postpone it to ota-9
[15:14] <alecu> we added a note about that to the silo: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/528
[15:14] <alecu> sil2100: the thing is that it adds a few strings that are very user-visible
[15:14] <alecu> those are shown whenever you change the volume
[15:15] <alecu> jibel: ^ should we revert it?
[15:15] <sil2100> hm, well, that's bad in that case
[15:15] <cyphermox> fwiw it wasn't just the dependency issues that bothered me, but also the fact that there are changes that have no relation to the changelog entry.
[15:15] <sil2100> cyphermox: those all were fixed, there were no packaging changes
[15:15] <sil2100> Since I was able to publish it with my powers
[15:15] <alecu> cyphermox: yes, I think you did right to bounce it at that point
[15:16] <cyphermox> I don't know; I still see these changes in the build job
[15:16] <sil2100> cyphermox: if there were packaging changes I wouldn't be able to publish as it's a main package
[15:16] <cyphermox> and on the publish job
[15:16] <sil2100> And I'm a MOTU
[15:16] <cyphermox> sil2100: it doesn't matter in this case, that wasn't the problem
[15:17] <cyphermox> my issue with it, and it looks unresolved, is that there are a dozen files added that aren't obviously mappable to adding OSD notifications
[15:18] <alecu> xavigarcia: cyphermox is right: the silo diff still seems to contain all of the testing harness
[15:18] <cyphermox> in other words, this is a new version, it probably should say that it's a new upstream version, or list the changes that introduce, for instance, the files in gmenuharness
[15:18] <renatu> Mirv, ping
[15:19] <cyphermox> I realize this is likely tests, but it's not so good to include changes that aren't listed in changelog
[15:19] <alecu> cyphermox: agreed.
[15:19] <alecu> so, should I ask to revert this?
[15:20] <cyphermox> alecu: I'm not sure I'd bother unless there is another reason to
[15:20] <alecu> cyphermox: the big reason is that this adds new strings, and that they are very user visible
[15:20] <xavigarcia> alecu, cyphermox: the files are present but are no longer compiled
[15:21] <cyphermox> xavigarcia: it's irrelevant, we don't necessarily see what is compiled and what isn't from a quick look at the diffs
[15:21] <cyphermox> alecu: strings aren't an issue for xenial, at least
[15:22] <cyphermox> for vivid, you need an SRU bug in which case it may be arguable.
[15:22] <boiko> trainguards: could you please remove dialer-app from silos 0 and 20 PPAs?
[15:23] <alecu> cyphermox: I think we only want to land in the phone vivid overlay, not in vivid itself
[15:24] <sil2100> boiko: done
[15:24] <alecu> cyphermox: and I worry if this has landed in the overlay, because ota-8 will have those strings untranslated.
[15:25] <cyphermox> alecu: that's up to you I suppose
[15:25] <boiko> sil2100: thanks
[15:25] <renatu> Mirv, could you get a silo for this? https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/ubuntu/vivid/qtpim-opensource-src/fix-1514350/+merge/277264
[15:28] <cyphermox> alecu: sil2100: shouldn't we be trying to land things for the overlay as SRUs as well though?
[15:28] <cyphermox> ie. not just in the overlay but also in vivid
[15:30] <boiko> sil2100: so, on silo 0, I removed dialer-app from the source package names, but it stills shows the silo as dirty saying dialer-app needs rebuilding
[15:51] <alecu> cyphermox: sorry, otp. I understand that the changes here apply to the phone, so we need the on the overlay, and I'm not sure about SRUing them
[15:51] <alecu> xavigarcia_: can you confirm that? ^
[15:55] <xavigarcia_> alecu: yeah, the changes apply to the phone
[15:56] <xavigarcia_> alecu: the desktop is not showing those strings
[15:56] <alecu> xavigarcia_: great
[16:05] <pmcgowan> another update just popped up
[16:09] <alecu> hi trainguards, may we ask to revert this landing? https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/528
[16:10] <greyback> trainguards: this should really go in for ota8: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/627
[16:10] <greyback> I keep forgetting if I'm supposed to click "publish" or that's a guard's job
[16:12] <rvr> bfiller: ping
[16:21] <brendand> bzoltan_, can you return the favour and have someone look at https://code.launchpad.net/~brendan-donegan/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/swipe_into_view_keyboard/+merge/273805
[16:21] <brendand> bzoltan_, it's been sitting around for a while
[16:21] <bzoltan_> brendand:  sure
[16:22] <brendand> bzoltan_, i just managed to do a full run without it crashing :/
[16:22] <brendand> bzoltan_, not really a good thing, but interesting
[16:22] <pmcgowan> greyback, yeah 44 can publish
[16:22] <bzoltan_> brendand:  how did you do that???
[16:22] <bzoltan_> brendand:  must be black magic
[16:23] <brendand> bzoltan_, luck maybe
[16:24] <bzoltan_> brendand:  tomorrow I will eliminate 50% of the failures ... about that much fails because of the popover button introspection.
[16:24] <brendand> bzoltan_, yeah there were a lot of those
[16:24] <greyback> wtf
[16:31] <greyback> lousy luck, newer qtmir pushed to -proposed, but problem to fix on armhf xenial
[16:41] <rvr> jgdx: ping
[17:12] <robru> greyback: that silo was already published when you published it
[17:13] <greyback> robru: yeah? Sorry, the train made it look like it wasn't
[17:13] <rvr> boiko: ping
[17:13] <robru> greyback: look at the audit log on the ticket. sil2100 published it, it was migrating, you published it again
[17:13] <robru> greyback: what did it look like when you clicked published?
[17:13] <greyback> robru: ok, then was my bad timing
[17:13] <greyback> as it definitely had the QA signoff as the last thing in the log when I clicked publish
[17:14] <robru> greyback: the full log is hidden by default. the status would have said "x is in the proposed pocket" which means "this is already published" when you published.
[17:15] <greyback> robru: sure, that I know. Perhaps I hadn't hit F5 soon enough
[17:15] <greyback> robru: anything broken?
[17:15] <robru> greyback: doubtful: sil published it ~20 hours before you, and the page auto-refreshes every 3 minutes. ;-)
[17:15] <robru> greyback: no nothing broken. but probably worth checking why it's in proposed for so long
[17:16] <greyback> robru: yeah I'm trying to figure that out, something weird with xenial
[17:17] <robru> alecu: still want that reverted? I can do it if you're sure.
[17:19] <robru> tvoss: the train is technically capable of doing a xenial+wily silo but this isn't exposed in the UI because I'm not aware of a use case for it.
[17:19] <alecu> robru: yes, we'd like to revert that silo, please.
[17:20] <alecu> robru: thanks!
[17:24] <robru> alecu: just to confirm: you want to go back to 12.10.2+15.10.20151019-0ubuntu1 right? that's the one before the most recent upload.
[17:30] <robru> hmm
[17:31] <boiko> rvr: pong
[17:31] <rvr> boiko: Hi
[17:31] <boiko> rvr: hello
[17:31] <rvr> boiko: I'm testing silos 49 and 0
[17:31] <boiko> rvr: ok
[17:32] <rvr> boiko: I did a dial-number /ril_0 123456789#1 and worked
[17:32] <rvr> boiko: Do you need any specific test?
[17:32] <rvr> (also tried with the dialer app, manually)
[17:33] <boiko> rvr: nope, that's it, and also make sure you create a contact with a number including a #, and try to call from address-book-app
[17:33] <rvr> boiko: Nice, trying...
[17:34] <boiko> rvr: why is 55 blocked?
[17:35] <rvr> boiko: Cannot reproduce
[17:35] <boiko> rvr: ah ok, in any case, the fix is harmless, in dialer-app's live call view there will be only at most one header section, so we just set the selectedIndex to zero
[17:36] <alecu> robru: if that's the previous version, then yes. Where can I check all the versions?
[17:37] <robru> alecu: sorry, that didn't work, apparently reverts don't work on dual silos. switched to revert in vivid only and now it's reverting down to 20151014. but it looks like that is the second most recent version in the overlay:
[17:37] <robru> https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay/+packages?field.name_filter=indicator-sound&field.status_filter=&field.series_filter=vivid
[17:40] <boiko> rvr: you tried to reproduce in the latest rc-proposed?
[17:40] <robru> alecu: once it's built I'll get you to review the diff to make sure it has sensible contents.
[17:41] <rvr> boiko: Yes
[17:41] <robru> alecu: also this revert will only be in vivid, it won't revert your trunk or anything, so you'll be able to keep developing on your same code until you're ready to release again
[17:41] <boiko> rvr: let me try here
[17:42] <rvr> boiko: Address book and messaging app can dial to numbers with #
[17:42] <boiko> rvr: great! so the problem is fixed
[17:43] <rvr> boiko: I'm going to do some extra sanity checks, and will approve is everything is fine.
[17:45] <boiko> rvr: thanks
[17:54] <alecu> robru: sounds great, thanks
[17:55] <alecu> robru: when you say that the revert will be in vivid, do you mean the overlay?
[17:55] <robru> alecu: yeah
[17:56] <robru> alecu: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-057-1-build/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/indicator-sound_content.diff/*view*/ this looks a little weird to me
[17:59] <robru> alecu: aside from the changelog being completely nuts, do the code changes make sense to you?
[18:00] <robru> alecu: my reading of that diff is that there are 52 files just being totally removed. does that sound right? the most recent landing added 52 new files?
[18:05] <pmcgowan> xavigarcia, ^^
[18:07] <robru> pmcgowan: xavigarcia alecu: if that diff is not correct, I'm not sure what went wrong or how to fix it. You'll have to prepare your own merge to revert the changes you don't want. Sorry guys
[18:12] <xavigarcia> robru: what error do you get?
[18:13] <robru> xavigarcia: what? I don't get an error. I built a package that is ostensibly a revert of the last release except the contents make no sense to me, i want you to review it: https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-057-1-build/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/indicator-sound_content.diff/*view*/
[18:13] <xavigarcia> robru: ok... let me take a look
[18:16] <alecu> robru: sorry, was having a late lunch
[18:21] <rvr> boiko: Could you reproduce the label issue with latest rc-proposed?
[18:22] <xavigarcia> robru: diff looks fine to me
[18:23] <xavigarcia> robru: there were many new files in that silo
[18:23] <robru> xavigarcia: ok, with your approval I'll release that to vivid overlay then.
[18:23] <boiko> rvr: nops, not happening, but still, the fix is correct, we cannot rely on the SDK selecting anything by default
[18:26] <robru> pmcgowan: alecu: xavigarcia: ok the package is now in vivid overlay, so ota8 won't contain the most recent landing. feel free to make a new landing when you're ready
[18:27] <alecu> robru: yay! \o/
[18:27] <alecu> robru: thanks a lot.
[18:27] <xavigarcia> robru: thanks!
[18:27] <robru> alecu: xavigarcia: you're welcome
[18:39] <rvr> boiko: I see
[18:40] <rvr> boiko: I think it first needs to set a default SIM
[18:42] <boiko> rvr: well, shouldn't make a difference, but who knows? :)
[18:55] <rvr> boiko: Approving silos 49 and 0
[18:56] <boiko> rvr: great! thanks!
[18:56] <boiko> rvr: with that in mind, I think it is a good idea to also approve silo 20 (which is the xenial silo for the libphonenumber changes)
[18:57] <boiko> pmcgowan: should I go ahead and merge those?
[18:57] <boiko> s/merge/publish/
[18:57] <pmcgowan> sure they are happroved
[18:57] <boiko> \o/
[19:24] <rvr> boiko: davmor2: Approving silo 55.
[19:25] <davmor2> rvr: nice
[19:25] <rvr> Err
[19:38] <boiko> trainguards: publishing silo 0 failed because it says it's dirty, that dialer-app needs rebuilding, but dialer-app is not on that silo anymore
[19:39] <boiko> rvr: davmor2: great! thanks, I will just have to rebuild that after silo 49 lands
[19:41] <boiko> robru: could you please check what is going on with silo 0?
[19:57] <robru> boiko: one sec
[19:59] <boiko> robru: thanks
[20:00] <robru> boiko: ok, had to manually drop dialer-app from inside jenkins' local silo dir, just doing a WATCH_ONLY to clear up the status, should be ready to publish as soon as that finishes
[20:00] <robru> there
[20:01] <robru> brb
[20:02] <boiko> robru: thanks
[20:08] <boiko> robru: turns out I am not authorized to publish libphonenumber, could you please publish it?
[20:08] <robru> boiko: if you're not authorized, neither am i. You need a core dev
[20:09] <boiko> robru: anyone here who could do that?
[20:10] <davmor2> boiko: slangasek might be able to help
[20:10] <robru> boiko: i usually poke kenvandine or mterry
[20:10] <slangasek> it's a US holiday today
[20:11] <davmor2> boiko: don't forget to land 20 too
[20:11] <slangasek> but I happen to be around so I'll have a look
[20:11] <boiko> davmor2: that's my next question: do you guys need to validate it?
[20:11] <boiko> davmor2: it is the same changes as silo 0, but targetting xenial
[20:11] <boiko> slangasek: thanks
[20:11] <davmor2> boiko: we don't touch xenial yet
[20:12] <boiko> davmor2: so it is just landing and that's it?
[20:12] <davmor2> boiko: that can just land the important one was 49 which touches both
[20:12] <davmor2> boiko: yeap
[20:12] <boiko> davmor2: ok, let me change the silo
[20:13] <boiko> slangasek: if that's not asking too much, could you please publish silo 20 too? (same changes as silo 0, but for xenial)
[20:15] <slangasek> boiko: I'm surprised by the version number of the libphonenumber package for vivid; is this targeted as an SRU, or for the phone overlay ppa?
[20:16] <boiko> slangasek: phone overlay
[20:16] <slangasek> boiko: then it must not use this version number, which is reserved for SRUs
[20:16] <boiko> slangasek: ah, I think that's missing in the silo
[20:17] <boiko> slangasek: what version number would be fine?
[20:17] <slangasek> boiko: the previous changelog entries show '6.0+r655-0ubuntu7vivid1', '6.0+r655-0ubuntu7vivid2' - something in that vein is probably ok
[20:17] <slangasek> robru: ^^ is there a specific numbering convention boiko should use here?
[20:18] <boiko> I think kenvandine advised salem_ to use that version number
[20:18] <slangasek> mm
[20:18] <boiko> not sure why
[20:18] <slangasek> well, unless it's targeted for SRU, it's wrong and a problem
[20:19] <slangasek> as it would lead to any later SRU of libphonenumber in vivid having the same number but different content
[20:19] <robru> slangasek: boiko: train only enforces a certain version for MPs, so no preference on my end for manual sources
[20:20] <slangasek> robru: sure, but what's the convention?  maybe there's something we can use for consistency
[20:20] <boiko> I have no preference either (and no knowledge about the policies for that)
[20:21] <robru> slangasek: well it would be upstream+15.04.YYYYMMDD-0ubuntu1
[20:21] <slangasek> right
[20:21] <slangasek> so no help for this ;)
[20:21] <robru> Maybe Ken thought it was an SRU
[20:21] <boiko> robru: would it be possible to tweak the versioning in the silo ppa, or do we have to go through all the uploading, building, etc again?
[20:22] <slangasek> the package needs reuploaded and rebuilt
[20:22] <robru> slangasek: I'm not sure why the existing version has +rNNN in it, not familiar with that convention. I mean i get it's a revno but dunno who's idea that was
[20:22] <robru> boiko: no way to change the version without a new upload
[20:23] <boiko> robru: ok, I will ask salem_ to provide a new package, which version you advise us to use? I have really no idea there :)
[20:24] <robru> boiko: i guess 6.0+15.04.20151111-0ubuntu1 unless anybody has a good reason to keep the revno in there
[20:24] <boiko> salem_: ^
[20:25] <boiko> salem_: can you provide a package with that versioning?
[20:26] <boiko> slangasek: what about the version in silo 20? is that one ok?
[20:26] <salem_> robru, boiko sure, but it doesn't match the previous versions in the overlay ppa, is that ok?
[20:26] <salem_> last one was 6.0+r655-0ubuntu7vivid2
[20:26] <boiko> slangasek: 7.0.8-0ubuntu3
[20:26] <boiko> slangasek: (for xenial)
[20:28] <robru> boiko: salem_: wait, that version I said isn't actually higher than the one already there
[20:29] <robru> boiko: salem_: I guess just use 6.0+r655-0ubuntu7vivid3 or something. I don't know where that scheme came from
[20:30] <robru> boiko: salem_: if you guys ever do a 6.0.1 or a 6.1 it'd be nice to switch to the train style versions for consistency
[20:31] <boiko> robru: we are not upstreams for that, I think kenvandine wanted to change the packaging to be able to do dual landings, that might include fixing the versioning
[20:36] <slangasek> boiko: yes that version is ok for xenial
[20:36] <boiko> slangasek: would you mind publishing it then?
[20:37] <slangasek> boiko: I haven't looked at the actual package yet - what's the ticket number?
[20:38] <boiko> slangasek: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/622
[20:43] <slangasek> boiko: ok, publishing
[20:43] <boiko> slangasek: thanks!
[20:45] <boiko> robru: package with the right versioning (we used 6.0+r655-0ubuntu7vivid3) building in a ppa on my launchpad page, I'll let you know when it finishes so that you copy it to the silo 0 ppa
[20:46] <robru> boiko: is your ppa devirt? If not we can just do a source copy now
[20:47] <boiko> robru: what is devirt? If I am supposed to know, then my PPA is not :D
[20:47] <boiko> robru: https://launchpad.net/~boiko/+archive/ubuntu/source-uploads/+packages
[20:49] <robru> boiko: yeah train PPAs have special builders, so i can't binary copy, have to source copy and rebuild.
[20:49] <boiko> robru: that's fine
[20:51] <boiko> robru: thanks
[20:52] <robru> boiko: UGH that version is lower than the version in the PPA
[20:52] <boiko> robru: yeah, I guess so
[20:52] <robru> boiko: let's free the ppa and get you a new one
[20:52] <boiko> robru: ok
[20:52] <robru> boiko: I'll do it
[20:58] <robru> boiko: OK building in silo 6 now, when it finishes please give it a quick smoketest to make sure nothing exploded in the rebuild
[20:58] <boiko> robru: sure thing, thanks for the help
[20:59] <robru> boiko: you're welcome
[21:30] <boiko> robru: all good with silo 6
[21:31] <boiko> slangasek: if you are still around, mind publishing it? we had to reassign the silo to fix the version: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/623
[21:35] <boiko> pmcgowan: if slangasek is not around anymore, we just need a core dev to publish silo 6, all the other dialer-app related silos are publishing already
[21:37] <pmcgowan> boiko, wonder who is working
[21:38] <pmcgowan> rsalveti, ?;)
[21:39] <pmcgowan> maybe cyphermox is around
[21:52] <cyphermox> what's up?
[21:56] <pmcgowan> cyphermox, hey, we want to publish silo 6
[21:57] <cyphermox> libphonenumber?
[21:57] <pmcgowan> yes
[21:58] <cyphermox> ok
[21:59] <pmcgowan> ty
[21:59] <cyphermox> tiagosh, boiko: usually I'd expect to see comments in the patch following the DEP-3 patch tagging guidelines, but I'm not going to block that publishing on it
[21:59] <cyphermox> http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/
[22:00] <cyphermox> note that there's another issue with the package, the version number isn't sustainable, as soon we'll be at something that might not map as being bigger than z, so it would be better to use release numbers rather than release codenames in the version number.
[22:00] <cyphermox> (by that I mean the "vivid" in 6.0+r655-0ubuntu7vivid3)
[22:01]  * cyphermox presses the buttons
[22:03] <cyphermox> please make sure this lands in xenial too; as well as an SRU in the appropriate releases as necessary.
[22:03] <cyphermox> oh, I see it's already in xenial
[22:06] <pmcgowan> cyphermox, thanks
[22:07] <cyphermox> fwiw: # as a dialable char, useful ;)
[22:10] <pmcgowan> indeed
[22:11] <boiko> cyphermox: thanks
[22:12] <robru> cyphermox: yeah i mentioned already getting them on the train version scheme but unfortunately "15.04" isn't newer than "r655" so it won't work until they bump the upstream number.
[22:13] <cyphermox> robru: you could just replace "vivid3" ".15.04.3" or something to that effect
[22:14] <robru> cyphermox: i think that would interfere with the SRU versioning
[22:14] <cyphermox> plus given that we just do snapshots all the time, the upstream version numbers are close to meaningless, except for here when we're doing sru
[22:14] <cyphermox> robru: not that much
[22:14] <robru> cyphermox: are we the upstream of this project? If so why is it not using MPs?
[22:15] <cyphermox> it just needs some extra fudging, like adding a .$n more above whatever version is SRU'd to vivid
[22:15] <robru> boiko:  ^^
[22:15] <cyphermox> robru: there's always a way to make the version numbering work for what we need it to do, without using release codenames
[22:16] <robru> cyphermox: yeah i agree the codenames are bad in version numbers
[22:17] <robru> cyphermox: ironically this whole mess started because Steve rejected "0ubuntu7.1" as a version because it would conflict with SRU versioning
[22:17] <cyphermox> sure
[22:17] <cyphermox> I mean, it's true that it would
[22:17] <cyphermox> what you want is probably always something higher than whatever might be in vivid-proposed until you merge between proposed and overlay
[22:18] <cyphermox> so, 0ubuntu8~15.04.1 ?
[22:19] <cyphermox> as opposed to the SRUs which will always grow from 0ubuntu7
[22:19] <cyphermox> but all this quickly becomes quite ugly
[22:19] <robru> cyphermox: yeah tilde is probably better for wedging versions in between other versions
[22:20] <cyphermox> IMHO the overlay needs to disappear and we need to find some way to be more agile at doing SRUs, which is a process we already are pretty good at I think
[22:21] <cyphermox> either that or getting back to the ubuntu-rtm derived distro?
[22:22] <robru> cyphermox: agree that overlay PPA is a gross hack, but disagree about SRUs. In my experience they take months of pain each. Better solution is just build phone images on dev series
[22:22] <robru> cyphermox: rtm was a bad idea, let's never mention it again
[22:27] <cyphermox> robru: I don't know that I'm sure of that.
[22:28] <cyphermox> and let's not fool ourselves, the overlay PPA is SRUs, just with relaxed regression checking.
[22:28] <cyphermox> bbl, I need to make a phone call :/
[22:28] <robru> cyphermox: yeah, "relaxed regression testing" meaning "not having to wait months for your SRU to get approved"
[22:29] <cyphermox> you don't have to wait months to get SRUs approved; if you do it right it can take just 7 days, just long enough to have a bit more assurance in proposed that things aren't breaking
[22:30] <robru> cyphermox: heh, "just 7 days", we fly by the seat of our pants in phone land.
[22:30] <robru> cyphermox: pat is currently freaking out because a 9 hour delay on an image build is too long.
[22:30] <cyphermox> I'm not saying either option is perfect.


[04:20] <cmaloney> http://www.tutorialspoint.com/pascal/index.htm
[04:20] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/44BGIi - text/html
[12:53] <rick_h__> hello from across an ocean
[14:09] <cmaloney> rick_h__: Greetings.
[18:52] <brousch> rick_h__: You in Japan?
[18:57] <rick_h__> brousch: no, london
[20:25] <gamerchick02> nice. enjoy your time rick_h__
[20:47] <cmaloney> whew
[20:47] <cmaloney> just did the lawn
[21:42] <gamerchick02> yay lawn
[21:42] <gamerchick02> wow i was digging into my collection to steam games and whoa. i have some decent stuff
[21:43] <gamerchick02> The Swapper is cool puzzle fun
[21:43] <gamerchick02> also i just lost an hour to Civ V
[21:54] <_stink_> that you limited it to an hour is a victory
[21:54] <_stink_> congrats
[21:56] <gamerchick02> well i wanted to see what else i had in my steam inventory and... yeah.
[22:07] <cmaloney> heh
[22:10] <gamerchick02> i picked up Terraria too
[22:10] <gamerchick02> Steam sale.
[22:10] <gamerchick02> "hide yer credit cards!!"
[22:11] <cmaloney> http://robotpornmetaldubstep.bandcamp.com/
[22:11] <bookiebot> http://goo.gl/mIz5S0 - Robot Porn (Metal/Dubstep)
[22:48] <gamerchick02> this is... interesting.


[04:46] <infinity> bdmurray: Since you reviewed/accepted the gtk+2.0 upload to precise, can you do the same for trusty?  I assume the context is sort of fresh in your mind.
[07:50] <darkxst> infinity, we are still blocked on bug 1466290, any chance you can take a look over that?
[21:22] <slangasek> can anyone explain to me why python-pbr shows up in the python3 transition tracker?  it has neither a build-depend on python3-all-dev nor a dependency on python3 << 3.5... http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/python3.3-5.html
[21:22] <slangasek> oh, sorry, was looking at the vivid version
[21:23] <slangasek> still, it build-depends on python3-all-dev but doesn't depend on python3 (<< 3.5), so I'm not sure why it shows as 'bad'
[21:23] <slangasek> oh, there we go, depends: python3.4
[23:28] <Logan> slangasek: Ben can be a mystery sometimes :/
[23:54] <slangasek> Logan: in this case I just hadn't read the ben rules completely because I assumed I knew what they were, and then found that python-pbr has some amazingly broken packaging :)
[23:59] <infinity> slangasek: Less urgently, there are the matching apt SRUs for vivid and precise ^
[23:59] <infinity> slangasek: And wily is in proposed.


[12:07] <ricotz> mlankhorst, hi, please consider updating libxi -- this includes an additional post-release fix https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/ubuntu/testing/+sourcepub/4300601/+listing-archive-extra
[12:08] <mlankhorst> hm
[12:08] <jcristau> meh.  there'll be 1.7.4 in a couple of days.
[12:09] <mlankhorst> ah no point then :p
[12:09] <mlankhorst> been busy with xorg-server 1.16 transition in ubuntu
[12:10] <ricotz> mlankhorst, alright