[03:51] <Hobbsee> seaLne: i couldnt, i had no kdesktop and no kicker.
[03:52] <Hobbsee> hmmm...and kicker is borked...
[03:53] <OdyX> Hobbsee: can't access to TTY ?
[03:53] <Hobbsee> OdyX: nothing GUI will run from there
[03:53] <OdyX> Hobbsee: sure it will !!
[03:53] <Riddell> Hobbsee: alt-F2?  katapult?
[03:53] <OdyX> Hobbsee: export DISPLAY=:0 && kwin &>/dev/null
[03:54] <OdyX> Hobbsee: try it
[03:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i eventually figured that out...katapult was running.  alt+f2/win+r wouldnt work, for some reason - think that was part of the freezing, half killed kdesktop
[03:57] <Hobbsee> i'm back :)
[03:58] <imbrandon> night Riddell / Hobbsee / OdyX , tis my bedtime
[03:58] <Hobbsee> night imbrandon
[03:59] <imbrandon> lol
[03:59] <OdyX> Hobbsee: keyboard in raw with SysRQ then go to TTY 1 and start whatever needed from there.
[03:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i was only 4 hours late to uni, you know :P
[03:59] <Hobbsee> OdyX: in english?  :P
[04:01] <OdyX> Hobbsee: well.. If you're blocked /freezed, you should use SysRQ commands
[04:01] <Hobbsee> OdyX: when i get really frozen, ie, cant do anything, i cant get to a tty either - so have to hit the power button.
[04:02] <OdyX> Hobbsee: no... not always
[04:02] <OdyX> [Alt] -[SysRQ] -[R]  for "Raw"
[04:03] <OdyX> these are special commands that permit to guide directly the kernel
[04:03] <seaLne> you would need to enable sysrq first tho
[04:03] <Hobbsee> hmmm okay...didnt know about them
[04:03] <OdyX> seaLne: it is per default, no ?
[04:03] <seaLne> i'd hope not
[04:03] <OdyX> seaLne: verfiy
[04:07] <OdyX> seaLne: when you cat something in /proc (or was it /sys), is it permanent ?
[04:07] <seaLne> no, something needs to set it at boot unless its a default
[04:08] <OdyX> seaLne: well.. It works then...
[04:08] <OdyX> do you want to be sure ?
[04:08] <OdyX> try sysRq b (reBoot)...
[04:08] <OdyX> Seveas tried ^^
[04:08] <OdyX> :D
[04:09] <seaLne> hmm, sysrq shouldn't be on by default its a security risk
[04:09] <OdyX> seaLne: I'm almost sure it is enabled per default...
[04:09] <OdyX> seaLne: it is...
[04:10] <seaLne> i'm begining to agree
[04:10] <OdyX> seaLne: but very useful though
[04:10] <seaLne> it didn't used to be on because i enabled it on my home machine a while ago
[04:10] <OdyX> seaLne: it allows to safely reboot with syncing, proper killing.
[04:10] <seaLne> i'm familiar with it
[04:10] <OdyX> OK
[04:10] <OdyX> :D
[04:11] <OdyX> where's the place we can check (and make checks) it is enabled ?
[04:11] <seaLne> it should be getting turned on somewhere in /etc
[04:12] <seaLne> unless it is turned on by default in the ubuntu kernel?
[04:12] <OdyX> grep gives nothing in /etc about sysrq, sysRQ nor SysRQ
[04:12] <OdyX> it seems default in ubuntu kernel
[04:12] <seaLne> yeah
[04:12] <OdyX> at least desktop's (so default's)
[04:13] <seaLne> CONFIG_MAGIC_SYSRQ=y
[04:13] <seaLne> so that answers that one
[04:13] <OdyX> yep
[04:14] <OdyX> do we have time to make it change ?
[04:15] <seaLne> its a simple change, but it depends why it was enabled
[04:17] <OdyX> seaLne: who asks on ubuntu-devel ?
[04:18] <Riddell> fabbione and benc are the linux people
[04:18] <seaLne> file a bug if you want against linux-source-2.6.15 if you want
[04:18] <Riddell> where linux == our kernel
[04:19] <OdyX> seaLne: well.. I don't see exactly the security issue...it needs local /serial access, no ?
[04:22] <seaLne> yes but not everyone with local access should be able to do evrything it can
[04:23] <OdyX> [16:22:54]  <BenC> OdyX: the only reason I know of is "it's always been on"
[04:23] <OdyX> [16:22:47]  <mjg59> OdyX: If someone has physical access to the console, then in general they can own the system
[04:24] <seaLne> unless its physically secured and the software is secured
[04:24] <seaLne> but i think there are way more important issues atm with dapper to worry about :)
[04:25] <OdyX> seaLne: could you please argue on #ubuntu-devel
[04:25] <Riddell> might be best to argue after dapper release :)
[04:25] <seaLne> i'd much rather you could sync a palm while using bluetooth than have sysrq disabled :)
[04:25] <OdyX> Riddell: sure !
[04:26] <OdyX> Sure
[04:26] <OdyX> Some'd like to connect to Internet through Bluetooth
[04:31] <seaLne> its a strange problem tho
[04:31] <OdyX> seaLne: [16:30:45]  <mjg59> OdyX: Put kernel/sysrq=0 in /etc/sysctl.conf
[04:31] <seaLne> OdyX: yip
[04:32] <OdyX> seaLne: <fabbione> OdyX: if a server is on the network is not secure. if a server has power is not secure. if there are cables coming out is not secure. if the disks are replaced the data are not secured. if you don't slam it in a 2x2x2mt cube of concrete is not secure (a nuclear blast might cause DoS)... if
[04:32] <OdyX> arf ^^
[04:32] <seaLne> desktops not servers
[04:33] <seaLne> but i don't really care enough to argue
[04:33] <seaLne> bug 43686 is very hard to reproduce on a clean install, yet happens on my home machine i wonder if there is something in that fact
[04:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43686 in linux-source-2.6.15 "kpilot stops responding" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/43686
[04:35] <seaLne> it alo effects pilot-xfer so is not just a kpilot problem
[04:46] <abattoir> I cannot seem to download off cdimage.ubuntu.com... "Connection to host cdimage.ubuntu.com is broken."
[04:46] <abattoir> does anyone else get this error?
[04:47] <abattoir> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/current/dapper-dvd-i386.iso
[04:47] <abattoir> for example
[04:49] <abattoir> hello pygi :)
[04:49] <pygi> hello abattoir
[04:49] <pygi> congrats :)
[04:50] <abattoir> thank you :D
[04:50] <Riddell> abattoir: works for me
[04:50] <Riddell> abattoir: what are you using to download?
[04:50] <seaLne> Connection closed at byte 1448. Retrying.
[04:50] <abattoir> Riddell: plain old konqueror
[04:50] <seaLne> ^ wget
[04:50] <abattoir> I guess it's my network then...
[04:50] <abattoir> only the .iso s dont work
[04:50] <seaLne> abattoir: i get error
[04:50] <abattoir> other files work fine
[04:51] <abattoir> seaLne: oh, ok.
[04:51] <seaLne> it is sending back "206 Partial Content"
[04:52] <Riddell> some programmes have problems with extra large files
[04:52] <Riddell> abattoir: try wget
[04:52] <seaLne> Riddell: i get the error with wget
[04:52] <abattoir> Riddell: HTTP request sent, awaiting response... Read error (Connection reset by peer) in headers. Retrying.
[04:53] <abattoir> that's with wget
[04:53] <abattoir> i'll try installing kget
[04:53] <seaLne> my problem maybe be  proxy getting upset tho
[04:53] <abattoir> but it has worked fine w/ konqueror's file transfer 'thing' before
[04:53] <seaLne> i can get cd iso's fine just not the dvd
[04:53] <pygi> abattoir, pm? :)
[04:54] <abattoir> pygi: sorry, was checking out wget... :)
[04:56] <abattoir> seaLne: yes, the cd ISOs work fine
[04:56] <seaLne> you behind a proxy? maybe even "transparent" proxy?
[04:57] <Firetech> hmm, anyone here using QT4 (on kubuntu)? I'm trying to run qmake-qt4, but it seems to want to run uic from qt3...
[04:57] <abattoir> seaLne: I dont think so.
[04:57] <Firetech> I don't really want to change the links in /usr/bin, since I still want to be able to compile qt3 stuff...
[05:00] <kwwii_afk> night Hobbsee
[05:01] <abattoir> seaLne , Riddell : ftp works fine
[05:01] <abattoir> thanks
[05:02] <seaLne> abattoir: sounds like it might have been a proxy then, looks like you are on broadband or sme sort of home connection?
[05:03] <abattoir> yes, ADSL
[05:04] <abattoir> but i dont think i am behind a proxy....
[05:05] <OdyX> night Hobbsee
[05:07] <seaLne> https://launchpad.net/bugs/46374
[05:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46374 in kubuntu-meta "Could not find "About Ubuntu"" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[05:07] <seaLne> interesting point
[05:11] <Riddell> seaLne: Reject, kubuntu isn't ubuntu
[05:11] <seaLne> i presume he means about kubuntu
[05:11] <Riddell> well there's no such thing :)
[05:12] <Riddell> if we were to add it we'd put it in the About KDE box
[05:12] <seaLne> about ubuntu in gnome seems to just give the help page
[05:12] <Riddell> yes
[05:12] <seaLne> and adding another help item would be bad
[05:13] <seaLne> "about kubuntu" is available in the "help" menu option seem ok response? i don't want him to hate me :)
[05:13] <Riddell> yep, good idea
[05:17] <seaLne> should help:/ not give you something?
[05:17] <Riddell> ideally, but too late to fix as I said to raphink the other day
[05:17] <OdyX> seaLne: this was pointed yesterday by raphink
[05:18] <seaLne> ah this was related to the other doc stuff
[05:39] <OdyX> Riddell: how are AAC files supposed to be read in AmaroK ?
[05:39] <OdyX> in libxine-extras ?
[05:41] <cmvo> Riddell: dapper alternate 0525, expert mode, i386, ok :-)
[05:42] <bddebian> Hello
[05:43] <OdyX> Riddell: the icon "Install" on live CD is supposed to launch ubiquity, huh =
[05:44] <seaLne> yes
[05:44] <OdyX> seaLne: OK. We'll see
[05:44] <OdyX> seaLne: 256 is supposed to be enough RAM ?
[05:45] <seaLne> well its way more than 64k
[05:46] <OdyX> Sure.
[05:50] <seaLne> Riddell: what about patching kio_help to redirect to help:/kubuntu/about-kubuntu/ when no result?
[05:52] <cmvo> Riddell: s/25/24
[05:55] <Riddell> seaLne: an index of some sort would be nicer, but as far as I know KDE doesn't put anything there so I'm not going to add a new feature to dapper
[05:55] <Riddell> edgy yes
[05:55] <Riddell> cmvo: great, can you update the kubuntu table at Current/Testing
[05:55] <seaLne> its a 1 line patch
[05:55] <Riddell> OdyX: yes, Install should launch ubiquity
[05:55] <Riddell> OdyX: aac Files probably with libfaad
[05:56] <cmvo> Riddell: I'll take a look...
[05:57] <OdyX> Riddell: thanks and thanks
[06:07] <bddebian> w00t, congrats OdyX
[06:07] <OdyX> ;-)
[06:07] <seaLne> its amazing how its starts to add up
[06:07] <kwwii_afk> does that mean you get a free t-shirt or what?
[06:07] <OdyX> kwwii_afk: if it were...
[06:08] <seaLne> kwwii: that would actually be a very cool idea
[06:08] <OdyX> kwwii: it means I don't see the sun anymore.
[06:08] <kwwii> OdyX: I know *exactly* what you mean
[06:09] <OdyX> kwwii: ...
[06:09] <kwwii> my wife thinks that I will get a suntan next week in portugal - how wrong she is :-)
[06:09] <OdyX> kwwii: looking at top left edge of screen to know outside's weather ?
[06:09] <kwwii> yeah :-)
[06:09] <kwwii> I do not even open my blinds anymore
[06:13] <kwwii> the MIT 100$ laptop is Ubuntu themed! (even if it runs fedora)
[06:14] <pygi> kwwii, joy :-)
[06:15] <seaLne> kwwii: i didn't think they were going to be brown :)
[06:15] <kwwii> seaLne: they are red and orange in the pics
[06:24] <Riddell> kwwii: did you have any thougts about a release image?
[06:25] <Riddell> would any of these be good enough for release candidate do you think? http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/mug/
[06:25] <Riddell> cropped obviously
[06:26] <OdyX> could be cool if we saw all of the word
[06:26] <Riddell> can't really fix the word and the logo into view
[06:27] <OdyX> Riddell: yeah... We have some real good blenderists on forums, maybe some funky 3D image ?
[06:28] <Riddell> go ahead and poke some, random images to go with news on the website are always welcome
[06:29] <Riddell> so long as it has some connection to kubuntu
[06:29] <OdyX> OKi.
[06:29] <OdyX> I'll go and make propositions
[06:29] <OdyX> what's the reward ($$$) ?
[06:29] <OdyX> ;-)
[06:29] <Riddell> fame and women, no money
[06:31] <OdyX> OK. I think they'll need woman's pictures..
[06:31] <OdyX> :D
[06:31] <freeflying-g4> Riddell: is RC out?
[06:31] <OdyX> freeflying-g4: tomorrow as I heard
[06:31] <freeflying-g4> OdyX:
[06:31] <freeflying-g4> thx
[06:33] <Riddell> freeflying-g4: no, all testing of curren CDs welcome
[06:33] <Riddell> add results to Testing/Current
[06:34] <freeflying-g4> Riddell: thx
[06:36] <seaLne> Riddell: is there no way to fix the certificate problem with wiki.kubuntu.org?
[06:37] <Riddell> seaLne: if you report it to bugs.kde.org I'll poke the sysadmin to change it
[06:37] <seaLne> bugs.kde.org?
[06:37] <Riddell> actually that probably needs a separate IP address so they probably won't
[06:37] <Riddell> seaLne: konqueror doesn't remember to not warn you about the certificate, I'd say that's a KDE bug
[06:37] <seaLne> IPs are free :)
[06:38] <Riddell> yeah yeah, just because you university types have thousands of them :)
[06:38] <seaLne> Riddell: thats a secondary issue, it looks very unprofesional
[06:38] <seaLne> no i mean they are free
[06:38] <Riddell> I know
[06:39] <seaLne> they have a /20 they aren't exactly short
[06:39] <Riddell> although a lot of hosting companies find ways of adding admin fees for the privilage of routing them
[06:39] <Riddell> but yes, I'll poke sysadmin
[06:39] <seaLne> even geeksoc has a /24 :)
[06:41] <seaLne> ah sorry its mNET that has the /20 the servers are only in a /25
[06:52] <seaLne> can anyone else confirm that moused over links in the footer on wiki.kubuntu.org unreadable due to foreground and background being the same?
[06:52] <seaLne> or actually slightly different but still unreadable
[06:54] <OdyX> seaLne: I confirm. Riddell: can someone try to make a slightly different /Dapper CSS therefore (wiki.kubuntu.org) ?
[06:54] <OdyX> someone could be me though
[06:59] <kwwii> Riddell: something like that would be nice, but I would suggest making a better pic
[06:59] <kwwii> Riddell: I also started to render an image with nifty light shining through it, etc.
[07:00] <kwwii> I actually bought two cups like that and then forgot to bring them with me when the LT was over
[07:00] <Riddell> OdyX: please do :)
[07:00] <kwwii> I have a light table for taking pics like that
[07:01] <OdyX> Riddell: OK. Going to.
[07:01] <kwwii> but no cup :-(
[07:01] <Riddell> kwwii: how does that work?
[07:07] <kwwii> Riddell: you mean a light box?
[07:07] <seaLne> indirect light so no glare?
[07:08] <kwwii> basically it is a big piece of opaque plexi-glass which you can bend in all directions and underneath it is a series of lights which you can individually dim
[07:08] <kwwii> erm, semi-opaque
[07:08] <kwwii> translucent is the word I was looking for
[07:08] <seaLne> cool
[07:10] <kwwii> actually you could build one yourself...just buy white translucent plexiglas and a bunch of neon lights
[07:10] <kwwii> the color of the lights is unimportant since it shines through the plexiglas first (so you could also use tungsten light or whatever)
[07:11] <seaLne> how big is it?
[07:12] <kwwii> actually I have two of them, a small one I made myself and a bigger one I bought
[07:12] <kwwii> but the small one is too small
[07:12] <kwwii> basically 1mx1m is big enough for most things
[07:12] <kwwii> it depends on which angle you are shooting from
[07:12] <seaLne> do you use other lighting aswell?
[07:12] <kwwii> and how high the object is
[07:13] <kwwii> yes, I rent a studio with a friend and we have a full set of studio lighting
[07:13] <kwwii> but those lights are "daylight" lights which are expensive
[07:14] <kwwii> you could also simply use a white sheet or piece of paper and blend the details out with light but because the cup is white it would be better not to do it that way
[07:15] <kwwii> you will loose some of the edges of the cup
[07:17] <kwwii> another way would be to put it on a grey bg and only use minimal lighting to illuminate the cup nicely but the edges might be a bit rough
[07:18] <kwwii> there is a nice filter in krita which could help (min and max colorizing stuff)
[07:18] <kwwii> help with cutting out the cup, I mean
[07:23] <seaLne> is gksudo "update-manager -d" really the recomended way to dist-upgrade?
[07:25] <OdyX> seaLne: under K ?
[07:26] <OdyX> seaLne: certainly not
[07:26] <seaLne> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DapperUpgrades
[07:26] <OdyX> hum
[07:26] <OdyX> If you are in command line, i'd say a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade is the only best one
[07:26] <seaLne> i'm not exactly sure how wiki.kubuntu works, does it access wiki.ubuntu.com content aswell?
[07:27] <OdyX> seaLne: they are exactly the same
[07:27] <seaLne> OdyX: not very friendly for users
[07:27] <OdyX> just two diferent hosts
[07:27] <seaLne> thought that
[07:27] <OdyX> seaLne: well.. users have to change their /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:28] <tvo> hi abattoir
[07:29] <OdyX> seaLne: a Kubuntu version could be good
[07:33] <seaLne> should the live cd drop out of usplash into text if safe mode was selected?
[08:10] <OdyX> I made a first adaptation of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RestrictedFormats for Kubuntu. Could some take a look (and modify) ?
[08:16] <apokryphos> looks good; gonna add a note on kubuntu mp3 under breezy. gstreamer0.8-mad required for mp3 playback using the gstreamer engine, and k3b-mad for k3b
[08:17] <Riddell> OdyX: where?
[08:18] <OdyX> Riddell: directly on the page.
[08:19] <OdyX> Riddell: This page is referred everywhere, so I took the liberty to modify directly there.
[08:19] <apokryphos> yes; I'd almost definitely say it was the most-visited wiki page
[08:22] <Riddell> OdyX: describe what kaffeine and amarok do, like on the line above for ubuntu
[08:22] <Riddell> OdyX: Breezy Badger needs gstreamer0.8-mad too
[08:23] <apokryphos> I've changed to add that already btw
[08:24] <OdyX> Riddell: OK. On my way doing it
[08:24] <Riddell> "here is ever a plugin in Kubuntu" -> "Kubuntu comes with a plugin by default"
[08:25] <Riddell> where does flash get installed these days? does konqueror know about that directory?
[08:26] <Riddell> looks good
[08:27] <apokryphos> the actual plugins go to usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[08:27] <Riddell> that should be ok
[08:27] <apokryphos> yeah, I very vaguely recall flash being picked up
[08:28] <apokryphos> but not java; had to manually change it to /usr/bin/java for sun-java to be used. Plain 'java' would never be picked up for me
[08:29] <yuriy> OdyX: the original page had gnome stuff listed first everywhere, then KDE, for the kubuntu page i think it should be flipped
[08:29] <OdyX> yuriy: there is no kubuntu page..
[08:29] <OdyX> yuriy: there is only one page...
[08:30] <OdyX> yuriy: both wiki show the same pages
[08:30] <apokryphos> the two wikis are the same thing exactly
[08:33] <yuriy> oh, i thought you were creating a new one for kubuntu. i see, nevermind then.
[08:38] <Riddell> Sime: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StreamlinedBoot  we need to move guidance to 60
[08:39] <OdyX> btw, if someone has time to test from Breezy, it could be cool to update that page too: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DapperUpgrades
[08:45] <apokryphos> OdyX: which part?
[08:49] <OdyX> apokryphos: well.. the whole... I doubt it'll work "as is" from Kubuntu breezy
[08:49] <apokryphos> of course it will
[08:49] <apokryphos> the second part, anyway (Upgrading by changing sources...)
[08:53] <OdyX> apokryphos: the second part, for sure, OK.
[08:54] <OdyX> apokryphos: and there is no Breezy/KDE tool to make it
[09:24] <Sime> Riddell: fine
[09:40] <marseillai> hi! i'll soon make two new installation of kubuntu before the final release is there any test to do? (aka live cd installation or breezy upgrade ?)
[09:42] <robotgeek> marseillai: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing
[09:44] <Riddell> marseillai: see kubuntu table https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Testing/Current
[09:44] <Riddell> breezy upgrade would be interesting actually
[09:50] <marseillai> oki I'll try both of them!
[12:44] <OdyX> Riddell: just thought about a bad issue: Kdm splash is not translated...
[12:45] <Riddell> kdm or ksplash?
[12:51] <OdyX> well.. graphical login prompt
[12:52] <OdyX> damn... these translation pages are sooo heavy
[12:53] <OdyX> Riddell: I just checked... All are complete green in Rosetta
[12:53] <OdyX> I mean, kdm* ksplash*
[12:54] <OdyX> Riddell: In which package are "username", "password" and all that stuff from login prompt ?
[12:56] <Riddell> should be in KDM I expect
[12:56] <OdyX> well.. Everything is translated then...
[12:57] <OdyX> well.. translatable are only kdmgreet and kdmconfig
[12:58] <OdyX> it's in kdmgreet. Correct in FR
[01:01] <OdyX> Riddell: I'm going to search an existing bug and file one if noone found.
[01:01] <toma> OdyX: can you ckeck your settings?
[01:02] <OdyX> toma: I can, where ?
[01:02] <toma> system settings->
[01:02] <OdyX> .
[01:02] <toma> system management
[01:02] <toma> login screen
[01:03] <OdyX> OK. Seen.. It's in "nothing"
[01:03] <OdyX> That's still a bug...
[01:03] <OdyX> My system is in fr_FR
[01:03] <toma> can you change it and see if it works?
[01:04] <OdyX> let's go
[01:04] <toma> afaik kdm does not look at the locale (gdm does)
[01:04] <OdyX> toma: it works
[01:06] <toma> I'm not sure you would call this a bug, but I guess so.
[01:06] <OdyX> toma: could that be changed at install (ubiquity or/and text install) ?
[01:08] <OdyX> rapid other question: "half translated" packages will be uploaded or not ?
[01:09] <toma> OdyX: it is in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc so I guess it can
[01:09] <OdyX> toma: so will it ?
[01:09] <OdyX> toma: I mean, it's not soooo critical, but makes "user's first sight bad" when getting out of ubiquity
[01:10] <toma> OdyX: yes, better ask Riddell then
[01:11] <Riddell> that's pretty silly of kdm
[01:12] <toma> Riddell: yes, it is
[01:14] <toma> there is an endless discussion at http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55379
[01:14] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 55379 in general "language selection in kdm" [Wishlist,New]
[01:14] <toma> about language selection, but touches this subject here and there
[01:18] <Riddell> new desktop and alternative CDs are up for those who want to test
[01:18] <Riddell> quite likely to become final release candidate
[01:22] <toma> nite!
[01:32] <OdyX> nite all.
[02:18] <bddebian> Howdy
[02:21] <Riddell> morning bddebian
[02:21] <Riddell> bddebian: what timezone are you in?
[02:21] <bddebian> EST
[02:21] <bddebian> UTC -5 I think?
[02:21] <Riddell> so you must be getting home from work at this time?
[02:22] <Riddell> for whatever definition of work
[02:23] <bddebian> Maybe we're -8 Here?  Hell I don't know.  It's 8:23pm :)
[02:56] <crimsun> that's -4, dude, you're EDT like me.
[03:02] <bddebian> Oh, hehe
[03:04] <bddebian> Told ya I was dumb :-)
[03:04] <crimsun> date -R  :-)
[06:24] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: any article introduce kubuntu dapper?
[06:24] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: hmmm?
[06:26] <freeflying> Hobbsee: I'd write an anticle about kubntu for a magazine, so any artcle can be reference
[06:27] <crimsun> freeflying: the Kubuntu links in the right side of http://doc.ubuntu.com/ are good
[06:28] <crimsun> namely About, Release, and Adept
[06:28] <freeflying> crimsun: thanks
[06:29] <freeflying> crimsun: how about the UVFe of zhcon  :)
[06:30] <crimsun> freeflying: malone #?
[06:31] <freeflying> crimsun: heh, I thought you would work on it
[06:31] <crimsun> freeflying: no, I've been too busy
[06:43] <poimen> .me loves it
[06:43] <poimen> ;)
[06:43] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:43] <poimen> but only linux related stuff school crap is hatefull
[06:43] <Hobbsee> especially with techniques - ack!
[06:44] <Hobbsee> true
[06:44] <poimen> Hobbses what u do in kubuntu
[06:44] <poimen> ?
[06:46] <Hobbsee> poimen: well....
[06:46] <poimen> lol
[06:46] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: how should i answer poimen's question?
[06:46] <Hobbsee> yay!  we got new emails!!!  :D
[06:46] <imbrandon> *looks* sorry wasent looking
[06:47] <poimen> :p
[06:47] <imbrandon> poimen: she is a member of the comunity council and a motu(ish) person ;)
[06:47] <Hobbsee> yay.  that's cool :D
[06:47] <Hobbsee> poimen: and work with bug reports, bits of organisation, rather than coding, per se...
[06:48] <freeflying> poimen: you like article, so you have kubntu's ?  :)
[06:48] <poimen> freeflying
[06:48] <poimen> ??
[06:48] <freeflying> poimen: introduce kubuntu to windows users
[06:48] <poimen> I am running kubuntu dapper 6.06 updated yesterday to curent and downloading updates rightnow ;)
[06:49] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: new emails ? /me is still waiting on his @ubuntu.com and/or @kubuntu.org and @ubuntu/members/imbrandon hostmask ;)
[06:49] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: see the topic
[06:49] <poimen> you are aking me to write something?
[06:49] <Hobbsee> for the hostmask, poke Seveas
[06:50] <imbrandon> ahh nice, i'll have to try it .... go's off to email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:51] <freeflying> poimen: no, just I'd write, but I hate articles
[06:51] <poimen> freeflying I can help ;)
[06:51] <freeflying> poimen: really? fine
[06:51] <poimen> for when u want the article?
[06:52] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: PERM_FAILURE: SMTP Error (state 9): 550<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table
[06:52] <imbrandon> heh
[06:52] <poimen> u want the article for that kubuntu websitE?
[06:52] <freeflying> poimen: as soon as you can
[06:52] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: the emails should already work...
[06:52] <freeflying> poimen: no, it's for a e-magazine
[06:52] <imbrandon> yea i just tried it
[06:52] <Hobbsee> it's a redirect to your email account listed on launchpad
[06:52] <imbrandon> see the smto erir
[06:53] <imbrandon> error
[06:53] <poimen> freeflying one page?
[06:53] <poimen> or how many?
[06:53] <freeflying> poimen: about 1k words
[06:53] <imbrandon> Hobbsee:  i know, but the mailserver is kicking it back
[06:53] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: :(
[06:53] <poimen> 1k <----- that mens 1000
[06:53] <poimen> ?
[06:53] <imbrandon> Error (state 9): 550<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table
[06:54] <poimen> ok I will try to ;)
[06:54] <poimen> were u live USA
[06:54] <poimen> its 1 am here
[06:54] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: try to send a message to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:54] <freeflying> poimen: no, I'm in China
[06:54] <poimen> I can have it for 4pm
[06:54] <imbrandon> and yes thats my lpad-id and yes i have an email setup on lpad ;)
[06:55] <poimen> but I wont say it will be pefect but I think it could help
[06:55] <freeflying> poimen: thx
[06:56] <poimen> freeflying u want what from the article?
[06:57] <freeflying> poimen: it's up to you
[06:58] <poimen> ok
[06:59] <poimen> well I have to take a nice shower
[06:59] <poimen> I have a strange smell in me....
[06:59] <poimen> :p be back in a hr or so ;)
[06:59] <freeflying> poimen:  :)
[07:10] <dereks> i am trying to use krdc, which required libkdnssd.so.1, which isn't on my system, i looked in the kdnssd package, and it doesn't inclued it. any suggestions? (i am on dapper btw)
[07:12] <Hobbsee> dereks: as in, libkdnssd.so.1 isnt in kdnssd?
[07:12] <dereks> Hobbsee: i did a dpkg -c and it wasn't
[07:12] <dereks>  dpkg -c /var/cache/apt/archives/kdnssd_4%3a3.5.2-0ubuntu6_i386.deb
[07:13] <Hobbsee> how odd...
[07:13] <dereks> Hobbsee: do you see that on yours?
[07:13] <Hobbsee> dereks: yes
[07:13] <dereks> Hobbsee: ok, so thats causing krdc not to work
[07:14] <Hobbsee> dereks: gotcha - breezy or dapper?
[07:14] <dereks> dapper
[07:15] <Hobbsee> dereks: it's in kdelibs4c2a
[07:15] <poimen-shower> btw : I am going to install ubuntu kubuntu or xubuntu in a friends PC but he has a olf 400MHZ with 128mb of ram
[07:15] <poimen-shower> Hobbsee :D can I have kde4 in my system :D
[07:15] <poimen-shower> ??
[07:15] <Hobbsee> poimen-shower: ouch,  xubuntu might be better for that :P
[07:16] <Hobbsee> poimen-shower: huh?
[07:16] <poimen-shower> btw: shower done..
[07:16] <poimen-shower> btw: shower done..
[07:16] <poimen-shower> bah
[07:17] <poimen-shower> Hobbsee :D how can I have kde4 in my system ??
[07:17] <Hobbsee> dereks: try reinstalling kdelibs4c2a - the libkdnssd.so.1 is in there, and it's listed as a dep for krdc
[07:17] <Hobbsee> poimen-shower: compile it?  i'm not sure, i've not tried
[07:18] <poimen> derek .... u sing kde 4 ?
[07:18] <dereks> Hobbsee: i just did, sudo apt-get --reinstall install kdelibs4c2a
[07:19] <Hobbsee> dereks: it's definetly in kdelibs4c2a version 0ubuntu18
[07:19] <dereks> Hobbsee: i see it in there, it doesn't seem to be installing though
[07:20] <dereks> when i do an updatedb;locate libkdnssd i get only "/usr/lib/libkdnssd-avahi/libkdnssd.so.1.0.0.kdecore"
[07:20] <dereks> Hobbsee: i wonder too
[07:20] <dereks> Hobbsee: is --reinstall right? or should i do a different param
[07:21] <Hobbsee> you'd have to look under apt-get -h for that
[07:22] <dereks> so i know --reinstall works, i just don't know if it does the desired thing
[07:22] <poimen> I can set up KDE for best preformance in a system like my firends ?
[07:22] <dereks> lemme read
[07:22] <crimsun> --reinstall install
[07:22] <dereks> crimsun: yeah tahts what i did
[07:23] <dereks> crimsun: that should put the files where i need them?
[07:23] <crimsun> it should
[07:23] <dereks> crimsun: should i try 1 step lower and do a dpkg-reconfigure?
[07:23] <dereks> or would that not work
[07:25] <crimsun> dpkg -P --force-depends kdelibs4c2a && apt-get -f install
[07:26] <Hobbsee> dereks: the other, less elegant solution, is probably to just grab the source, and copy the files over to where they need to be...but you might be having trouble with more than just that file..
[07:26] <dereks> crimsun: whoa, lots of dependency issues
[07:27] <dereks> heh
[07:27] <dereks> sorry
[07:28] <Hobbsee> odd.  didnt know that had a lmit
[07:28] <dereks> oh, thought you meant our convo :)
[07:30] <Hobbsee> no...the topic :P
[07:30] <dereks> :)
[07:31] <poimen> well time to sleep
[07:31] <poimen> see you all laterz
[07:31] <Hobbsee> now it fits :D
[07:32] <dereks> this is annoying me
[07:32] <crimsun> did you purge it and reinstall it?
[07:32] <dereks> crimsun: yeah
[07:33] <dereks> crimsun: http://pastebin.com/736523
[07:34] <crimsun> well, that's the command I gave you, yes, but that's a bit less than helpful for debugging.
[07:34] <dereks> crimsun: what do you mean?
[07:34] <crimsun> I'd be more interested in seeing dpkg's and apt-get's output.
[07:35] <dereks> oh, sorry i thouhgt it was pasted there :) darn webboard applet
[07:35] <dereks> http://pastebin.com/736526
[07:36] <Hobbsee> dereks: did it finish after that?  install kubuntu-desktop again after that...
[07:37] <dereks> Hobbsee: reinstall it ?
[07:37] <dereks> kuz it is already the latest version
[07:37] <Hobbsee> odd
[07:37] <dereks> me too
[07:37] <crimsun> dereks: well, what /is(are)/ the symptom(s)?
[07:39] <ajmitch_> dereks: ls -la /usr/lib/libkdnssd.so.1
[07:39] <dereks> crimsun: i am looking for libdnssd.so.1 so i can use kdrc, but it isn't installed, hoever its in the kdelibs package
[07:39] <dereks> ls -la /usr/lib/libkdnssd.so.1
[07:39] <dereks> ls: /usr/lib/libkdnssd.so.1: No such file or directory
[07:39] <ajmitch_> dpkg -L kdelibs4c2a |grep kdns
[07:39] <Lathiat> trentl@ubuntu:~$ dpkg -S  /usr/lib/libkdnssd.so.1
[07:39] <Lathiat> kdelibs4c2a: /usr/lib/libkdnssd.so.1
[07:40] <dereks> /usr/lib/libkdnssd.so.1.0.0
[07:40] <dereks> diverted by libkdnssd-avahi to: /usr/lib/libkdnssd-avahi/libkdnssd.so.1.0.0.kdecore
[07:40] <dereks> /usr/lib/libkdnssd.so.1
[07:40] <ajmitch_> right, so it is a diversion
[07:40] <ajmitch_> I thought it might be..
[07:40] <dereks> whats that mean?
[07:40] <ajmitch_> it's avahi so I blame Lathiat for all those problems
[07:40] <Lathiat> libkdnssd-avahi isnt used
[07:40] <dereks> haha
[07:40] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: run!
[07:40] <Lathiat> thats something youve installed previously
[07:40] <Lathiat> and the diversion wasnt cleaned up
[07:40] <dereks> Lathiat: how should i fix it :)
[07:41] <Lathiat> dunno
[07:41] <Lathiat> who knows the magical command? :)
[07:41] <Lathiat> dpkg-divert --remove /usr/lib/libkdnssd.so.1
[07:41] <Lathiat> perhaps
[07:41] <Lathiat> ?
[07:41] <dereks> do i need to remove a package? lemme see
[07:41] <ajmitch_> probably by dpkg-divert --remove /usr/lib/libkdnssd.so.1.0.0
[07:41] <Lathiat> dereks: check its installed but i doubt it
[07:41] <Lathiat> given it doesnt exist
[07:42] <Lathiat> ah
[07:42] <Lathiat> indeed
[07:42] <dereks> rc  kdnssd-avahi
[07:42] <dereks> its not
[07:42] <ajmitch_> right
[07:42] <dereks> though other parts of avahi are, is that ok?
[07:42] <ajmitch_> so the remove script of it is broken
[07:43] <ajmitch_> since you once had it installed, but the diversion remains
[07:43] <ajmitch_> dereks: have you tried the dpkg-civert magic foo?
[07:43] <dereks> yeah i just did it
[07:43] <ajmitch_> s/civert/divert/
[07:43] <ajmitch_> any effect?
[07:43] <dereks> trying
[07:43] <dereks> let me reinstall kdelibs, right?
[07:44] <ajmitch_> shouldn't need to reinstall it
[07:44] <dereks> ajmitch_: yeah i needed to reinstall it
[07:44] <dereks> but now its working :)
[07:44] <dereks> thaks guys
[07:45] <dereks> now its time for bed so i can play with this in the morning
[07:45] <dereks> have a nice evening/morning
[07:45] <Hobbsee> bye dereks
[07:46] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: test passed
[09:14] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: talk about dev stuff in here :P
[09:14] <imbrandon> yea i know , was just lazy ;)
[09:14] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: er....that's already uploaded
[09:14] <imbrandon> brb i'ma grab some mt dew while you do that
[09:15] <Hobbsee> maybe the launchpad page is just slow or something
[09:15] <imbrandon> what is ?
[09:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: kmess.  do you still have the debdiff for that at all?  i cant see it changed in the rules file, but the changelog is updated...
[09:16] <Hobbsee> no, wait...i'ts just rebuilt, that's okay...
[09:16] <imbrandon> nothing changes it was just a rebuil;d
[09:18] <Hobbsee> interesting.  i only see -0ubuntu2 in repos...
[09:18] <imbrandon> yea probbly becouse it ftbfs
[09:19] <freeflying|away> avahi-utils has two entries in menu, anyone would like fix it?
[09:19] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: trying to build it now
[09:20] <vinboy> is the release candidate coming?
[09:20] <imbrandon> vinboy: when its ready
[09:21] <vinboy> lol
[09:21] <vinboy> hi imbrandon
[09:21] <vinboy> it is you again
[09:21] <imbrandon> hello ;)
[09:21] <vinboy> hehe
[09:21] <vinboy> so funny
[09:21] <vinboy> i keep asking and u keep answering
[09:21] <imbrandon> yes youve been asking that all night and will get the same awnser all night ;)
[09:21] <Hobbsee> it's only 7am UTC - be patient...
[09:21] <vinboy> lol
[09:22] <vinboy> i have been waiting for 5 days
[09:22] <imbrandon> 7:22 ;)
[09:22] <Hobbsee> vinboy: when it's there, it'll be in the topic
[09:22] <vinboy> ok
[09:22] <vinboy> kool!
[09:23] <vinboy> imbrandon where u from?
[09:23] <vinboy> Hobbsee where u from
[09:23] <Hobbsee> vinboy: sydney, australia
[09:23] <imbrandon> kansas city , missouri , usa
[09:24] <imbrandon> heh
[09:24] <imbrandon> freeflying|away: two menu entries in kmenu ?
[09:24] <vinboy> ic
[09:24] <vinboy> i'm from little New Zealand
[09:25] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: ya
[09:25] <OdyX> crazy.. people from all around the world.
[09:25] <imbrandon> btw vinboy not that i personaly care but this is the development channel, release info will probbly be told in #kubuntu first  ;)
[09:25] <Hobbsee> vinboy: another one of you.  you're multiplying.
[09:25] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: one in system, another in utilities
[09:25] <imbrandon> freeflying|away: k i'll grab that , seems simple enough ;)
[09:26] <freeflying|away> imbrandon:  :)
[09:26] <imbrandon> what one would be more approperate ? system or utils  ?
[09:26] <Lathiat> whats the menu item?
[09:26] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: I prefer to util
[09:26] <imbrandon> k
[09:27] <Lathiat> yeh utilities is probably better
[09:28] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: configuring...
[09:28] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: can you upload?
[09:28] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: actually, i'tll probably be said here at around the same tiem
[09:28] <imbrandon> no but i can get someone to do it when i finish it
[09:28] <imbrandon> *working on upload privs soon* just need a little more under my belt ;)
[09:28] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: imbrandon just went for membership - not motu :P
[09:29] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: then I can upload it for you
[09:29] <imbrandon> but i spend 50% of my time in #kubuntu helping newbs or the other 50% with motu stuff ..... soooo it wont be long ;)
[09:29] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee:  how about your motu ship?
[09:29] <imbrandon> ok
[09:30] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: havent thought about it
[09:30] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: well, not much, anyway
[09:31] <seaLne> freeflying|away: btw german version of kinnison is done now just waiting on french :)
[09:31] <freeflying|away> seaLne: heh, you may give us new, we can prepare for the next one
[09:32] <seaLne> then i'd just have you asking for even longer :P
[09:32] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: it's getting to the point where it's getting annoying to have to ask for uploading people hehe
[09:32] <imbrandon> lol yea Hobbsee ;)
[09:33] <Hobbsee> then again, i really dont want to kill the repos accidently
[09:33] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: if you are a code-dev, you will not get annoying anymore  :)
[09:34] <seaLne> Hobbsee: its ok you are probably far enough away that no one would be bothered to kill you :)
[09:34] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:34] <Hobbsee> seaLne: heh
[09:35] <crimsun> forgive freeflying, who's probably not as familiar with those intricacies ;-)
[09:36] <imbrandon> hahaha
[09:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:36] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: damn.  ftbfs indeed.
[09:36] <crimsun> but yes, you never say to a woman that she's annoying. Unless she's your sister and you're on the phone with her. And you don't plan to talk to her for four years.
[09:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:37] <imbrandon> yea and i changed nothing Hobbsee so it was probbly that way before *or* something else is breakin it
[09:37] <Hobbsee> it cant have ftbfs before...
[09:37] <Hobbsee> tha'ts really weird...
[09:37] <imbrandon> yea but a changelog only will not cause it to ftbfs
[09:37] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: sorry for using wrong word, and I'm not so good at English, maybe I exprress something wrong
[09:38] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: i know :P  i was amused
[09:39] <Hobbsee> but yes, i wouldnt end up annoying people anymore with upload requests...
[09:39] <crimsun> (it's not annoying, btw. We all understand it's protocol you have to endure.)
[09:40] <Hobbsee> no, what annoys me is if i say "hey, i need this uploaded, and someone goes "no, it's kde, ask the kde people, we dont want to touch it" when it's only a simple debian/control change
[09:41] <imbrandon> heh
[09:41] <Hobbsee> i start to think "hey, i wouldnt have asked you to if i thought it was a fix that needed kde-experienced eyes over it - especially way after UVF - really!
[09:42] <imbrandon> ok not to look *totaly* stupid but i thought menu entries were in .desktop files ? *sees none*
[09:43] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: they usually are
[09:43] <imbrandon> do they get generated durring build or something?
[09:43] <Hobbsee> no, they should be there - look around it may not be right in the debian folder
[09:43] <Hobbsee> might be in a subdir
[09:44] <imbrandon> yea  ..... updatedb &
[09:44] <imbrandon> err
[09:44] <imbrandon> nm
[09:45] <Hobbsee> i am wondering about that ftbfs, and why i'ts there
[09:45] <imbrandon> yea i think thats beond us , maybe convice crimsun or someone too look at it ?
[09:45] <imbrandon> btw found it lol
[09:46] <Hobbsee> crimsun: any idea why this FTBFS?  http://pastebin.com/736614
[09:47] <crimsun> (looking)
[09:48] <crimsun> line 95.
[09:50] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yeah, more info than that?
[09:51] <crimsun> err, give me a sec to apt-get source
[09:55] <imbrandon> freeflying|away: ping
[09:55] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: pong
[09:55] <imbrandon> freeflying|away: http://ubuntustuff.sytes.net/devel/dapper/avahi_0.6.10-0ubuntu3.debdiff
[09:55] <imbrandon> there she be
[09:56] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: ok
[09:56] <crimsun> (err, avahi is main, and the repo is still frozen for RC prep...)
[09:56] <crimsun> (you can still upload, but it'll be queued)
[09:56] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: just a thought, what happens with that in gnome then?  does it still keep it's menu entry?
[09:57] <imbrandon> *dident know* freeflying|away just ask me to remove the dupe ;)
[09:57] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: it has two entries in K menu
[09:57] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: so i hear, but does taking out one of them effect the gnome menu?
[09:57] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: it has two in gnome too
[09:57] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[09:58] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: no
[09:58] <imbrandon> -Categories=GNOME;Application;System;Utility;
[09:58] <imbrandon> +Categories=GNOME;Application;Utility;
[09:58] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: silly my network, I can not access to the url you given
[09:59] <imbrandon> hmm want me to dcc it ?
[09:59] <Hobbsee> yeah, didnt know what the "GNOME" bit actually meant..
[09:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: email it, surely
[09:59] <imbrandon><EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[09:59] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: zhengpeng-hou AT ubuntu.com
[09:59] <imbrandon> k
[10:00] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: that is, of course, the disadvantage of not using your irc nick in launchpad - no one can guess your email...
[10:01] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: it's used to be, but raphlink told me to use real name on launcpad
[10:01] <crimsun> Hobbsee: you need the patch from #357764
[10:01] <Hobbsee> bug 357764
[10:01] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: ah okay
[10:01] <freeflying|away> :)
[10:01] <crimsun> debian #357764
[10:01] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 357764 in kmess "Subject: kmess: FTBFS: g++ compile error" [Serious,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/357764
[10:02] <crimsun> hmph, or pull it from upstream
[10:03] <imbrandon> freeflying|away: sent, but i found out why the url dident work either ( my local file/webserver cycles every night at 3am so its rebooting ) but its on its way in the email
[10:03] <crimsun> that's because 1.4.2-2 is only in testing now (1.4.3-1 is in unstable)
[10:03] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: ok, thx
[10:04] <Hobbsee> crimsun: grab it from testing then?
[10:04] <crimsun> +-  messageLabel_->setSizePolicy( QSizePolicy::Minimum, QSizePolicy::Minimum );
[10:04] <crimsun> ++  messageLabel_->setSizePolicy( QSizePolicy(QSizePolicy::Minimum, QSizePolicy::Minimum) );
[10:04] <crimsun> that's the relevant portion of the diff
[10:05] <Hobbsee> crimsun: what are you suggesting?  patch that bit, or sync it?
[10:05] <Hobbsee> how big's the diff?
[10:05] <crimsun> just wrap both actual parameters in a method call to QSizePolicy()
[10:05] <crimsun> Hobbsee: no, just manually edit kmess/notification/balloonbase.cpp
[10:06] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ah, gotcha...
[10:06] <crimsun> the change is just one line
[10:06] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: did you want to do it?
[10:06] <Hobbsee> seeing as it was his to begin with
[10:06] <imbrandon> sure, dosent matter, yea i got it open
[10:06] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: You have just changed the upstream source tarball, you'd provide a patch for that
[10:07] <imbrandon> huh?
[10:07] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: for kmess, you mean?
[10:07] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: no, for avahi-utils
[10:07] <imbrandon> freeflying|away: ok send my patch to upstream tooo ?
[10:07] <Hobbsee> ah
[10:08] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: no,  change anything for upstream source tarball shall provide a patch
[10:08] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: that's debian's policy
[10:09] <imbrandon> ok i'm missing something ....... *confused*
[10:09] <Hobbsee> how does one go about implementing a patch with cdbs?  ie, how do you make one?
[10:10] <imbrandon> freeflying|away: i just apt-get source and changed it then debdiffed it, sent you the debdiff ...... so i need to send the debdiff upstream also ? ( i'm not familiar with debian policy )
[10:10] <Hobbsee> woohoo!  it's c++  Stuff i can more or less understand!
[10:10] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: no, this patch is for debian's package
[10:12] <imbrandon> umm i got it from ubuntu repos 0ubuntu2/3
[10:12] <imbrandon> i guess i'm not seeing where debian comes in ....
[10:12] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: we can only patch the source tarball when we package it ,but can not change it directly
[10:13] <imbrandon> umm ok we packaged it right ( thus the 0ubuntu2/3 at the end )
[10:13] <imbrandon> ?
[10:13] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: there are examples in  debian/patches
[10:14] <imbrandon> ahhh ok i think i get you now, dont change the file directly , make a patch in debain/patches
[10:14] <imbrandon> ?
[10:14] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: y
[10:14] <imbrandon> ahhh ok sorry i wasent understanding, still kinda new to this, ok i'll redo it here in a sec
[10:16] <Hobbsee> crimsun: stupid questoin maybe, but how do you actually *create* a patch?
[10:16] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
[10:16] <imbrandon> with "patch" ?
[10:16] <imbrandon> heh
[10:17] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: sorry for my silly English, I can not sxpress it clearly to you
[10:20] <imbrandon> ahh thats ok, i have a hard time understanding good english half the time ;)
[10:20] <imbrandon> building kmess now, will rebuild that when this is done
[10:20] <imbrandon> brb mt dew time
[10:21] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: no, not with patch, it seems...
[10:22] <imbrandon> ahh ok, was just a guess
[10:22] <Hobbsee> :P
[10:22] <Hobbsee> patch applies the patches
[10:22] <imbrandon> debdiff / diff ?
[10:23] <OdyX> Hobbsee: and "man patch" ?
[10:23] <Hobbsee> OdyX: didnt show much that i understood
[10:23] <OdyX> Hobbsee: arf...
[10:23] <imbrandon> looks like diff Hobbsee
[10:24] <Hobbsee> hmmm..
[10:38] <OdyX> Could someone with rights on specs note that https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-language-selector as superseeded ?
[10:41] <imbrandon> freeflying|away: ok got it changed, should i use diff or dpatch to make the patch .....
[10:41] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: up to you
[10:42] <imbrandon> btw Hobbsee the kmess builds now fine ..... here is the diff http://ubuntustuff.sytes.net/devel/dapper/kmess.debdiff
[10:42] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ah, so you can do it that way - great :D
[10:42] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: better poke siretart or someone
[10:44] <OdyX> Does any Launchpad specialist know how you get the rights about specs ?
[10:44] <Hobbsee> OdyX: i dont, soryr..
[10:44] <imbrandon> not i
[10:45] <OdyX> Hobbsee: well.. thanks anyway
[10:45] <Hobbsee> OdyX: does it acutally have the language selector?
[10:45] <OdyX> Hobbsee: sure...
[10:46] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, that dh_iconcache fix looks to have worked, too
[10:46] <imbrandon> heh
[10:47] <Hobbsee> according to postinst
[10:49] <imbrandon> yea i looked when i was done to make sure
[10:50] <Hobbsee> :)
[10:52] <imbrandon> freeflying|away: i'm having a bit of trubble figuring out how exactly to make the patch ( i tried diff like i'm used to normals but it dosent output the same as the other patches so i dont think its working right. on the other hand the main guide says use dpatch and that dosent look like the same output either as the other patches  .... any insight ? )
[10:53] <Hobbsee> OdyX: ask that on #launchpad
[10:54] <imbrandon> diff avahi-python/avahi-discover.desktop.in avahi-python/avahi-discover.desktop.in.orig > debian/patches/03_dupe_menu.patch   . thats what i did the first time, but again it didten output the same as the others
[10:54] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: I used to get a diff, and write it manually into a dpatch
[10:54] <seaLne> diff -urN i think?
[10:54] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: diff -ruN orig  new >
[10:54] <imbrandon> kk
[10:55] <OdyX> Hobbsee: sure
[10:55] <imbrandon> ahhh looks MUCH better thanks
[10:55] <imbrandon> building now
[10:56] <imbrandon> it should apply all the patches in the debain/patch dir on build right becouse debian/rules includes include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk
[10:56] <imbrandon> correct ?
[10:56] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i believe so
[10:57] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: it do
[10:58] <imbrandon> kk building now, will have a diff in a few
[11:00] <imbrandon> btw thanks for putting up with a newbie freeflying|away
[11:00] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: nope, anyway, me too
[11:01] <Hobbsee> i think we all are :P
[11:02] <OdyX> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-katapult <- Don't you find katapult kool ?
[11:03] <OdyX> Riddell: this is superseeded for me ^^
[11:04] <seaLne> some of these specs seem stupid
[11:05] <OdyX> seaLne: yeah... sure.
[11:05] <OdyX> seaLne: I'm going through some... I just can't modify...
[11:05] <Hobbsee> OdyX: i expect that they'll go thru these in paris
[11:05] <OdyX> Hobbsee: sure
[11:07] <seaLne> anyone know what does "ber" translate in english as?
[11:09] <seaLne> not sure if tat showed up properly its uber with dots above the u, i'm not convinced that it is german for "stuff"
[11:09] <Hobbsee> seaLne: awesome, or something?  it's not a real word
[11:10] <seaLne> yeah thats what it means to me
[11:10] <imbrandon> seaLne: "cool" or "awesome"
[11:11] <seaLne> but definitly not similar to "stuff"
[11:11] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:11] <seaLne> as in "ubuntu stuff"
[11:12] <OculusAquilae> seaLne: or about
[11:12] <seaLne> hmm ok, that sounds similar ish
[11:12] <seaLne> OculusAquilae: are you german?
[11:12] <OculusAquilae> yes
[11:13] <seaLne> what wuld you say was the equivelant of stuff?  also what does Dinge mean?
[11:14] <imbrandon> dinge is "dirty"
[11:14] <OculusAquilae> "Dinge" is things
[11:15] <seaLne> OculusAquilae: thanks
[11:15] <OculusAquilae> what about the context? "dinge" is mostly a bad word :)
[11:15] <OculusAquilae> it says nothing :)
[11:15] <seaLne> Persnliche Dinge
[11:16] <OculusAquilae> hm
[11:16] <OculusAquilae> ok, there it could be ok
[11:40] <seaLne> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/39658
[11:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 39658 in kubuntu-meta "[dist-upgrader]  dist-upgrade wants to delete almost kde packages while migrating from breezy to dapper" [Major,Confirmed]
[11:40] <seaLne> breezy upgrade fails :(
[11:40] <OdyX> seaLne: shite...
[11:40] <OdyX> seaLne: for all ?
[11:41] <OdyX> seaLne: hplip is still a problem
[11:42] <seaLne> so it uninstalls kubuntu-desktop and also seems to have a problem with login
[11:48] <Firetech> hmm, I can't get QPainter to paint anything with Qt4 in kubuntu :/ The same code works fine on Windows (I also tried a simple code just to draw a square in an empty window, but nothing appeared)
[11:51] <isaac> Riddell: around?
[11:52] <raphink> hi isaac
[11:52] <Riddell> isaac: hi
[11:52] <raphink> hi Riddell
[11:52] <isaac> hi raphink
[11:52] <isaac> uhm
[11:53] <isaac> we would like to switch koffice
[11:53] <isaac> to build against graphicsmagick
[11:53] <isaac> instead of imagemagick
[11:53] <marseillai> seaLne: i've got a same with an upgrade i did with vnc .... apt-get install kubuntu-desktop in a tty solve de problem ...
[11:53] <isaac> but to get that graphicsmagick should be available in all the "major" distros
[11:53] <isaac> and AFAIK it's only available in debian now
[11:54] <isaac> any chance to get it uploaded to ubuntu? :)
[11:54] <raphink> isaac: then we can sync it in edgy
[11:54] <Riddell> interesting, I've never heard of graphicsmagick
[11:54] <Riddell> isaac: what's the advantage over imagemajick?
[11:54] <isaac> stable API and ABI
[11:54] <isaac> imagemagick causes headaches
[11:55] <isaac> which each ABI and API change, both to debian release dudes
[11:55] <isaac> and koffice developers
[11:55] <Riddell> and it's a dropin replacement to compile against for the moment?
[11:55] <isaac> no
[11:55] <isaac> but koffice developers are willing to change the code
[11:55] <isaac> or whatever is needed
[11:55] <isaac> to use graphicsmagick
[11:55] <isaac> once it's available in debian, kubuntu, suse, ...
[11:56] <Riddell> shouldn't be a problem to include the package in edgy next month
[11:56] <raphink> isaac: it being available in kubuntu shouldn't be too hard. It just has to be sync from Debian in the beginning of Edgy dev
[11:56] <isaac> ok :)
[11:57] <Riddell> I suspect it'll be questioned when moving it to main about duplication with imagemagick
[11:57] <Riddell> but if the package requires it then that's what'll have to happen
[11:57] <raphink> yes
[11:57] <raphink> quite a lot of other programs will still depend on imagemagick though
[11:58] <isaac> well, it would be really nice to have graphicsmagick available
[11:58] <isaac> so app developers can switch to it
[11:58] <raphink> but maybe having graphicsmagick available in most distros will encourage other devs to switch to it
[11:58] <Riddell> isaac: I'm being asked if anyone from debian plans to upload icecream/icecc
[11:58] <isaac> they're eager to do it, but stopped by the fact that's not shipped in some distros
[11:58] <isaac> Riddell: uhm, no idea :(
[11:59] <Riddell> isaac: the package is there, maybe I could convince you to sponsor uploading it for me next month sometime
[11:59] <isaac> Riddell: ok
[12:00] <isaac> well, this graphicsmagick thing is the kind of thing that doesn't happen if it's not somehow coordinated
[12:00] <isaac> packagers don't include it because it's not used
[12:00] <isaac> developers don't use if because it's not packaged ... :)
[12:00] <toma> (the ubuntu icecream packages work great on a debian system)
[12:02] <Riddell> developers shouldn't not use something because it's not packaged, if a program needs it people will package it unless there's some obvious problem with it
[12:02] <isaac> I'm quoting you at #koffice :p
[12:02] <Riddell> :)
[12:12] <sebas> Did I miss something?
[12:12] <sebas> Ubuntu icecream packages?
[12:12] <sebas> *Where*?
[12:15] <OdyX> sebas apt-get install icecream && icecram &>/dev/mouth.
[12:15] <imbrandon> lol
[12:16] <isaac> raphink: I met David Glassey at DebConf
[12:16] <raphink> isaac: Daniel I guess
[12:16] <isaac> yeah, that:P
[12:16] <isaac> damn
[12:16] <raphink> hehe
[12:16] <isaac> too many names
[12:16] <raphink> yes I guess :)
[12:16] <isaac> in too few days :P
[12:17] <raphink> how was it ?
[12:17] <isaac> it was quite nice
[12:17] <raphink> :)
[12:17] <isaac> although I couldn't get much work done
[12:17] <raphink> :(
[12:17] <raphink> tell me about that :(
[12:18] <Riddell> sebas: it's icecc
[12:19] <seaLne> ooh the latest live cd works on a t60 wonder what changed
[12:19] <seaLne> previously X didn't work
[12:22] <sebas> it uses the vesa driver?
[12:22] <sebas> The x1300 is not yet supported by ATi drivers
[12:22] <sebas> x1xx even
[12:22] <sebas> Eeh, ati / radeon oss driver/
[12:22] <sebas> The binary one supports it.
[12:23] <sebas> Riddell: Ah, thx.
[12:23] <sebas> Installed it on two machines from source :/
[12:25] <OdyX> Riddell: Add/Remove Programs in english here. It has been in fr_FR once...
[12:25] <Riddell> OdyX: is adept.mo installed?
[12:25] <OdyX> Riddell: seems to...
[12:26] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell and sebas
[12:26] <OdyX> Riddell: adept is "mostly" in fr_FR, not totaly
[12:27] <sebas> Are those icecc packages new?
[12:28] <mornfall> icecc packages?
[12:28] <sebas> Yes.
[12:29] <sebas> Or they're in {uni|multi}verse and I didn't have those enabled.
[12:29] <Riddell> they only recently passed NEW
[12:32] <seaLne> sebas: yeah but previously the live cd didn't try to use vesa for it and i had to select the safe or whatever its called option
[12:33] <sebas> seaLne: Yes, that's what I tried to imply
[12:33] <sebas> I've got a T60, too.
[12:34] <seaLne> sebas: asides from the graphics card kubuntu detects everything fine on it unfortunatly at work our default is sarge and it isn't playing very well for me so far
[12:34] <crimsun> Hobbsee: sorry, was in a meeting. Yes, use diff to create something applicable with patch.
[12:34] <Hobbsee> crimsun: right..
[12:35] <sebas> seaLne: Ah.
[12:36] <seaLne> the upside is that the frustration has driven me to kubuntu bug triage :)
[12:50] <marseillai> kat's developper are looking for tester, may be create test package for kat would help ton include a stable and functionnal release of kat in edgy ....
[12:50] <OdyX> marseillai: please do.
[01:23] <vinboy> marseillai: what is kat?
[01:24] <marseillai> a kde-beagle more efficient if it works .... but it has many problems
[01:25] <vinboy> any webpage?
[01:25] <vinboy> i gonna get some info
[01:25] <vinboy> i'd love to test it if it is interesting
[01:26] <marseillai> http://kat.mandriva.com/
[01:26] <marseillai> or #kat
[01:27] <vinboy> thx
[01:42] <Riddell> testing of desktop 20060525 and alternate 20060525.1 welcome
[01:42] <vinboy> ??
[01:43] <vinboy> sorry?
[01:43] <freeflying|away> Riddell: is altenative the install cd?
[01:44] <Riddell> altenative is text installer
[01:44] <Riddell> desktop is live CD and live installer
[01:44] <vinboy> Riddell: is the RC out yet?
[01:44] <Riddell> vinboy: no, that's why I'm asking for help testing
[01:46] <vinboy> ic
[01:46] <vinboy> i wish i can help, but my connection is too slow
[01:47] <Riddell> yeah, .nz is like that
[01:48] <vinboy> do u know if RC will be released soon today?
[01:49] <vinboy> :D
[01:49] <Hobbsee> vinboy: that's precisely why they need the damned testers - to see if the daily cd works or not - if it does, it will become the RC, if not, then it wont!
[01:49] <Hobbsee> and all the questioning in the world wont stop that from happening.
[01:49] <vinboy> ic
[01:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do we happen to have koffice1.5 debs out somewhere?  you've got a repo on kubuntu.org or something?
[01:51] <OdyX> Hobbsee: c.f. kubuntu.org
[01:51] <OdyX> Hobbsee: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-1.5 dapper main ?
[01:52] <Hobbsee> OdyX: hmmm... deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-151 dapper main
[01:52] <OdyX> welll. Was /dev/memory/brain > /dev/hands > sss:laptop:/dev/keyboard
[01:52] <OdyX> sorry then
[01:52] <OdyX> I was not far.
[01:53] <OdyX> s/sss/ssh
[01:53] <Hobbsee> hehe it's okay
[01:53] <OdyX> sure
[01:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: @kubuntu.org emails work nicely, btw
[01:59] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: we have @kubuntu.org
[01:59] <freeflying|away> s mail
[01:59] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: we have @kubuntu.org's mail?
[02:00] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: yep.  see the topic
[02:00] <vinboy> how do I get a kubuntu.org email?
[02:00] <freeflying|away> vinboy: you'd be a member of kubuntu
[02:00] <vinboy> ic
[02:00] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: do you know how to do like that?
[02:02] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: it redirects to the account specified in your launchpad account
[02:02] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee|Coding: how can it be redirect to our mail?
[02:04] <Hobbsee|Coding> freeflying|away: i dont know the logistics of it - but mine gets directed to hobbseeATgmail.com, as that's my primary launchpad email
[02:04] <Hobbsee|Coding> well, it was
[02:05] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee|Coding: okey thx
[02:10] <toma> Hobbsee|Coding: I'm finishing my wiki page, how do i prevent TwoCapitalWords from becoming a link?
[02:10] <Hobbsee|Coding> toma: no idea, sorry...
[02:10] <toma> haha
[02:10] <toma> ok
[02:13] <OdyX> toma: try to insert  between your words...
[02:13] <OdyX> toma: HTML char for word-separation
[02:14] <toma> ? It is one word with two capitals..
[02:14] <OdyX> yeah,,, Try WordCapitalised
[02:15] <toma> does not work
[02:15] <OdyX> well. good try though
[02:15] <OdyX> :P
[02:15] <toma> hehe
[02:18] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee|Coding: bother u again, how can mail all members in a team on launchpad?thx
[02:18] <OdyX> freeflying|away: I don't think it's possible without ML..
[02:19] <OdyX> freeflying|away; for spam preventing, obvisously.... imagine I could mail all fr translators...
[02:19] <freeflying|away> OdyX: but most of them haven't subscirbed to our ml
[02:19] <OdyX> freeflying|away: then... dunno
[03:04] <Riddell> toma: put '' in the middle of it or there's some other way
[03:04] <Riddell> moin is crazy like that
[03:04] <Hobbsee> !
[03:07] <OdyX> Hobbsee: :-) Sure
[03:07] <Hobbsee> OdyX: you can *paste* into it :D
[03:07] <OdyX> Middle-clic ?
[03:08] <Hobbsee> that too
[03:08] <Hobbsee> you cant in a standard DOS prompt :(
[03:08] <OdyX> DOS ? Does it still exist ?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> well, cmd.exe
[03:09] <Hobbsee> great for things like net send :P
[03:10] <toma> Riddell: thnxs
[03:35] <jjesse> Riddell: ping
[03:35] <Riddell> hi jjesse
[03:36] <jjesse> did you get the missing figures you mentioned ?  can i help you out?
[03:36] <Riddell> the adept and rss ones were missing
[03:36] <Riddell> also the kaffeine one wasn't se as far as I could see in the text I got
[03:37] <jjesse> do you need them sent to you or did deb was?  i can try and find them in a backup
[03:37] <Riddell> debra only seems to have sent me ubiquity ones
[03:37] <jjesse> ok i'll get them out to you
[03:39] <mornfall> does kubuntu have deb-src lines in default install?
[03:43] <Riddell> mornfall: for main yes
[03:43] <Riddell> assuming you had internet during the install
[03:43] <Riddell> universe are there too but commented out
[03:47] <Hobbsee> and multiverse arent there at all :(
[03:50] <Riddell> except for backports strangely enough
[03:54] <Hobbsee> seems dogdy to me - users keep coming in, saying yes, i've got multiverse, when they only have multiverse backports.  odd.
[03:59] <seaLne> Bug #46526 is strange grepping the package for Rodney i don't find that string at all
[03:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46526 in amarok "Amarok description in Add/Remove programs is silly" [Normal,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/46526
[04:04] <seaLne> mornfall: where does adept look for the description it places below the app name?
[04:06] <seaLne> 0mb
[04:07] <mornfall> seaLne: try apt-cache show <package>
[04:07] <seaLne> mornfall: its fine see bug above
[04:07] <mornfall> seaLne: well, why you ask about "adept" when you mean adept installer?
[04:08] <mornfall> seaLne: that one is from the .desktop file
[04:08] <seaLne> sorry
[04:08] <seaLne> thanks
[04:10] <seaLne> doh the amarok package has a tar ball inside it thats why my grep didn't find it, less of a mystery then
[04:13] <Riddell> the amarok.desktop file is stupid, I'll fix it in edgy
[04:14] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:18] <Riddell> although that means changing all the transations too, I might need to do the translating .desktop files stuff first
[04:35] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[04:35] <OdyX> howdy bddebian
[04:35] <bddebian> Hello OdyX
[04:36] <bddebian> Hey, where's that testing page?
[04:36] <Riddell> see topic
[04:36] <bddebian> I am.  Am I ohhh. NM :-)
[04:36] <seaLne> Riddell: what about just changing it to something like "Multimedia Player" and steal the translations from another package?
[04:37] <Riddell> seaLne: good plan
[04:39] <seaLne> as amarok is a tbz inside the tgz how would i go about replacing the desktop file?
[04:40] <bddebian> seaLne: Is the desktop inside the tbz or in a debian dir?
[04:41] <seaLne> the tbz
[04:41] <Riddell> seaLne: extract tbz, cp amarok.desktop amarok.desktop-orig; emacs amarok.desktop; diff -u amarok.desktop-orig amarok.desktop > debian/patches/kubuntu_xx_unstupidiy_desktop.diff
[04:41] <seaLne> i don't understand why the tbz wasn't just recompressed?
[04:41] <seaLne> Riddell: ah simple :)
[04:41] <Riddell> I just followed how it was done in debian, some packagers prefer that, it means you know the sources are unmodified
[04:43] <bddebian> Yeah but it's a pain :-)
[04:43] <bddebian> unstupidity_desktop.diff... lol
[04:44] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:44] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian
[04:44] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[04:45] <Hobbsee> is it mandatory that a source has .orig.tar.gz, .diff.gz, and .dsc for the ubuntu repos?
[04:45] <Riddell> Hobbsee: no, packages which are made only for debian or ubunu have a .tar.gz instead of .orig and diff
[04:45] <Riddell> they're called native packages
[04:46] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[04:46] <bddebian> Hobbsee: If the package is native I ...   I almost removed my entire /home by accident then!
[04:50] <seaLne> but not every .desktop has a coment so i think just removing Comment from the .desktop files is better than changing it?
[04:52] <toma> Riddell: what is a "kde formatting tool" ?
[04:52] <toma> soc
[04:52] <Riddell> floppy and usb disk formater
[04:52] <Riddell> where did you see that?
[04:52] <toma> kubuntu-devel ml
[04:53] <seaLne> Riddell: thoughts on just removing Comment as it is the problem and not a necessary part of .desktop file?
[04:54] <Riddell> seaLne: go ahead, that's easier than patching the .desktop file each time
[04:54] <seaLne> well that would still need to modify the 2 .desktop files
[04:55] <Riddell> there's 2?
[04:55] <seaLne> konquisidebar not sure what its for
[04:56] <Riddell> oh, that, I wouldn't bother I don't think that shows anywhere
[04:56] <seaLne> what is konquisidebar?
[04:56] <Riddell> press F9 in konqueror to find out
[04:57] <seaLne> oh you can get amarok in it
[04:57] <Riddell> yes
[04:58] <mornfall> seaLne: i believe so, yes
[05:00] <mornfall> when we speak about silly
[05:01] <mornfall> http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/release-notes/C/ar01s01.html#releasenotes-new <-- this is silly, too
[05:01] <mornfall> "Wahoo a sweet new installer is available for Kubuntu 6.06!!!!"
[05:01] <mornfall> "It is extremly easy to install Kubuntu 6.06."
[05:02] <mornfall> ^^ those are outright ridiculous statements
[05:02] <mornfall> for release notes at least
[05:02] <mornfall> i wouldn't mind in someone's personal blog i guess
[05:02] <seaLne> "kubuntu is so hard to install yu should just give up right now"
[05:02] <jjesse> why do you think that is silly? mornfall?
[05:03] <seaLne> it dosen't give a reason, if it said with the new installer you are asked fewer questions or something like that might be better
[05:03] <jjesse> those statements have been since the beginning of the dapper release stage
[05:04] <mornfall> jjesse: those are release notes, i assume release notes would be done before release :)
[05:04] <OculusAquilae> but they are not very serious :)
[05:04] <mornfall> jjesse: either way
[05:04] <mornfall> jjesse: the latter of those about kubuntu being extremely easy to install is both false and useless
[05:04] <jjesse> mornfall: you believe that installing kubuntu is not easy?
[05:04] <mornfall> jjesse: yes
[05:05] <mornfall> jjesse: installing OS is always nontrivial, especially if you try to do it side-by-side
[05:05] <OculusAquilae> easy yes, but what makes it easier than installing for example suse?
[05:05] <mornfall> jjesse: backing up existing data is nontrivial already, so :)
[05:05] <jjesse> mornfall: can you explain whY?  i have never had any issue installing kubuntu especially side by side
[05:05] <seaLne> i think the statement would be improved if it was qualified
[05:05] <Hobbsee> jjesse: for new users, tryign to dual boot, it's still complicated, and a pain
[05:06] <mornfall> Hobbsee: don't say that, even if it was "easy", that's a looong shot from "extremely easy"
[05:06] <jjesse> before i started using k/ubuntu i used suse and it was harder to install especially in a dual boot scenario
[05:06] <mornfall> even TV is not "extremely easy" to install
[05:06] <Hobbsee> jjesse: and this comes from someone who managed to format her hard drive, trying to install kubuntu in hoary :P
[05:06] <mornfall> extremely easy is something a five year old can do without further explanations
[05:06] <mornfall> without breaking things
[05:06] <jjesse> i can change the notes, i just thought it was easy to do compared to other distrobutions i have tried and installed
[05:07] <jjesse> though i don't know if i5t can be changed due to the stage of the ballgame
[05:07] <mornfall> jjesse: "easy to install" is a regular overstatement you can do
[05:07] <Riddell> nah, it's too late to change
[05:07] <mornfall> okey, no matter then
[05:07] <mornfall> definitely fix it for edgy
[05:08] <mornfall> if you don't want to be a target of ridicule
[05:08] <jjesse> can i ask why this is being addressed now for the first time?
[05:08] <mornfall> the exclamation marks are, umm... umm!
[05:08] <jjesse> as they have been there since flight 1?
[05:08] <mornfall> probably noone cared so far
[05:08] <mornfall> i just stumbled upon a link
[05:08] <mornfall> and read it
[05:08] <mornfall> and thought, ow my
[05:09] <mornfall> ah, it's because someone mentioned release, something and adept guides are linked from doc.ubuntu.com sidebar
[05:09] <mornfall> so i got highlighted on adept
[05:09] <mornfall> btw the adept manual there is sort of useless as well, written for 1.0 and not even complete on that version
[05:09] <jjesse> ah
[05:10] <jjesse> yes i know it is useless
[05:10] <mornfall> it would help if someone was employed on the documentation for kubuntu
[05:10] <mornfall> ubuntu have paid writers, no/
[05:10] <mornfall> ?
[05:11] <jjesse> no
[05:11] <jjesse> not that i am aware of, the ubuntu writers (ubuntu-doc team) covers both kubuntu and ubuntu
[05:11] <mornfall> all of ubuntu-doc is volunteer?
[05:11] <jjesse> however prior to dapper there was no one else writing kubuntu docs besides myself
[05:11] <jjesse> all is volunteer
[05:11] <Riddell> only the writers of the official ubuntu book are paid
[05:12] <mornfall> oh well
[05:12] <jjesse> and not all the writers of the official ubuntu are members of the doc-team
[05:13] <mornfall> i would have hoped canonical hires some people, since good documentation is so sorely needed
[05:13] <vinboy> r they making any money out of ubuntu yet?
[05:13] <mornfall> there is only so much volunteers can do
[05:13] <mornfall> vinboy: don't think, it was never supposed to make any?
[05:13] <vinboy> ic
[05:14] <vinboy> but at least to cover the developers' cost
[05:14] <jjesse> mornfall: agreed but the people that do the docs put in a lot of time to get the docs good and for dapper the documentation is better then any release so far
[05:14] <Riddell> certainly is, jjesse and robotgeek rule
[05:15] <mornfall> Riddell: they would rule more if they had more time for it (eg. being part-time paid by canonical for the work)
[05:15] <jjesse> Riddell: btw i'm starting to compile some thoughts for edgy located at KubuntuDocs/Edgy
[05:16] <mornfall> i definitely think that the doc team is undermanned
[05:17] <bddebian> mornfall: Great idea.  So why don't you get out there and recruit some for us? :-)
[05:17] <jjesse> agreed bddebian
[05:17] <mornfall> bddebian: i'm a poor student, myself working for wage... i can't hire anyone
[05:18] <Hobbsee> unfortunately, not everyone can be paid.
[05:18] <bddebian> Did I say hire?  I don't get paid for my MOTU work.
[05:18] <jjesse> mornfall: he didn't suggest you would pay for it
[05:18] <mornfall> i must have misunderstood then
[05:19] <OculusAquilae> perhaps we (kubuntu.de) could encourage some people to help
[05:19] <OculusAquilae> I'll suggest that :)
[05:19] <seaLne> Riddell: http://stuff.duffus.org/tmp/amarok/
[05:19] <mornfall> Riddell: is canonical not approving documentation bounties?
[05:20] <jjesse> OculusAquilae: we would love more help in the doc team especially in the kubuntu side
[05:20] <mornfall> well, get me another 4-6 hours a day and i will help
[05:20] <Riddell> mornfall: not as far as I know, although there's very few bounties that actually get finished in general
[05:21] <mornfall> Riddell: tell me about it :-)
[05:21] <jjesse> heck if there wer bounties for doc id do them :)
[05:21] <mornfall> jjesse: try arranging some
[05:21] <OculusAquilae> jjesse: I'll mention the doc-team highlighted :)
[05:22] <mornfall> jjesse: for edgy
[05:23] <mornfall> umm, i'll have to book tickets for paris
[05:23] <jjesse> OculusAquilae: thanks it will be appreciated
[05:23] <mornfall> grmble
[05:23] <Hobbsee> mornfall: after just getting home again?  nasty
[05:23] <seaLne> better than walking
[05:23] <mornfall> well, yes
[05:24] <mornfall> Hobbsee: well, i have exam tomorrow... you can imagine how much i'm motivated to study :p
[05:24] <mornfall> another one on monday
[05:24] <Hobbsee> mornfall: haha
[05:24] <seaLne> yeah not good of them scheduling exams near a release :)
[05:24] <Hobbsee> study?  what's that strange thing you speak of?
[05:24] <mornfall> then 6th and 12th
[05:24] <Hobbsee> seaLne: try them scheduling exams thru the spec stuff...
[05:24] <Riddell> people with extream bandwidth: new DVDs are up http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dvd/20060525/
[05:25] <mornfall> Hobbsee: school interference?
[05:26] <Hobbsee> mornfall: right in uni exams
[05:26] <Hobbsee> s/in/in the middle of
[05:26] <mornfall> i have scheduled exams early on
[05:26] <seaLne> squid really dosen't like that dvd iso
[05:26] <mornfall> hope i don't have to repeat any
[05:27] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:27] <mornfall> and, umm, i only have 4 exams this term
[05:27] <mornfall> compared to 7 last one
[05:28] <mornfall> --> food
[05:28] <mornfall> bbiab :-)
[05:28] <vinboy> hmm exams
[05:28] <vinboy> my last exam was end of last year
[05:29] <Hobbsee> hmmm...kopete just crashed on me :(
[05:35] <seaLne> or as Riddell is probably busy with more important stuff anyone else that can upload fancy looking at http://stuff.duffus.org/tmp/amarok/ to fix 46526?
[05:35] <Hobbsee> amarok's in main, i expect
[05:35] <bddebian> Yep :-( I can't touch it
[05:35] <Hobbsee> bddebian: so when do you go for core dev?
[05:36] <bddebian> Hobbsee: I put my name on the list but I was considering withdrawing it
[05:36] <Hobbsee> ah
[05:37] <seaLne> nn
[06:08] <Riddell> seaLne: it's probably too late for that in dapper,but it'll be first in the queue for edgy
[06:08] <seaLne> bah :)
[06:09] <seaLne> dosen't seem a major change
[06:09] <Riddell> it's not a major problem
[06:10] <OdyX> Riddell: what's your todo for Dapper ?
[06:10] <OdyX> Riddell: what are the last critical bugs ?
[06:11] <Riddell> adept 2.0, guidance init script change, turn off media notifier in ubiquity, fix going Back to qtparted in ubiquity, match language packs to CD size
[06:12] <Riddell> making usplash_down more reliable would be nice but I doubt that'll happen
[06:17] <mornfall> adept 2.0, i will try to have that ready tonight
[06:17] <Riddell> cool
[06:21] <OdyX> adept 2.0 ?
[06:21] <OdyX> 1.92 for now..
[06:22] <Riddell> we're going to splash out and jump by 0.08
[06:25] <OdyX> fine
[06:25] <OculusAquilae> 2.0 sounds a lot better than 1.92 :)
[06:26] <mornfall> well, i think the only missing bit is fixing about dialogs
[06:26] <mornfall> i make a tarball for isaac and then for Riddell
[06:26] <OdyX> Riddell: and you don't plan to solve impossibility to add HP printers ?
[06:26] <Riddell> OdyX: I can add my HP printer ok
[06:26] <OdyX> Riddell: I can't...
[06:26] <OculusAquilae> OdyX: i can add my HP printer too
[06:27] <OdyX> well.. I'll give it a try... :D
[06:27] <OculusAquilae> better I could at the beginning of this week
[06:27] <MidMark> Riddell: italian kde language isn't included in daily 25/5 cd?
[06:28] <OdyX> OculusAquilae: is there something I should "purge" before trying ?
[06:28] <OculusAquilae> here it ran after a simple update I think
[06:28] <OdyX> ok.
[06:30] <Riddell> MidMark: no, I removed a bunch to make everything fit, I'll add them back as much as possible for the final one
[06:31] <MidMark> ok that is normal that it is in english :)
[06:32] <MidMark> on dvd there are all languages isn't?
[06:32] <OdyX> Riddell: sorry.. I still can't install my printer...
[06:33] <OdyX> Riddell: "Impossible to create Foomatic pilot (...)". I'll try with new user.
[06:35] <Riddell> seaLne: sssh
[06:35] <MidMark> and is it normal that in manual partitioner with ubiquity disable keyboard at all?
[06:36] <Riddell> MidMark: I think the embedding doesn't handle it properly
[06:36] <Riddell> seaLne: what are you testing?
[06:36] <seaLne> "critical error during ped_disk_new" when selecting manual partitioning
[06:36] <seaLne> Riddell: dvd
[06:36] <Riddell> erk, it crashed?
[06:37] <seaLne> got that twice and then a sort of hung prepare partitions
[06:37] <seaLne> let me reboot and try again
[06:37] <Riddell> seaLne: error in qtparted or ubiquity?
[06:38] <seaLne> qtparted i think
[06:38] <Riddell> anything unusual about your hardware?
[06:39] <seaLne> not really PIII 512Mb nv graphics card 6.4Gb disk
[06:39] <seaLne> its my normal dev machine tho the hard disks change
[06:42] <bddebian> Is it worth testing an install on this Dell Latitude laptop?
[06:46] <seaLne> Riddell: got it again http://stuff.duffus.org/tmp/snapshot1.png
[06:46] <Riddell> that's not good
[06:46] <Riddell> IDE disk?
[06:46] <seaLne> trying a different hard disk just incase, i have a pile that i switch between
[06:46] <seaLne> yep
[06:47] <Riddell> very strange
[06:47] <Riddell> you don't have LVM or something on that disk do you?
[06:47] <seaLne> no
[06:47] <Riddell> or RAID
[06:48] <seaLne> nope, it just had a breezy install on it i think
[06:53] <seaLne> Riddell: no problems with this hard disk, wonder what it didn't like about the previous, current disk had lvm on it aswell and it seems fine with that so far
[06:54] <bddebian> OK, I have the Ubuntu desktop.  Now what? :-)
[06:55] <crimsun> ?
[06:55] <bddebian> I just booted my desktop CD :-)
[06:55] <crimsun> enocontext
[06:55] <Riddell> bddebian: live or installed?
[06:56] <seaLne> oops spoke too soon: http://stuff.duffus.org/tmp/snapshot2.png
[06:56] <seaLne> nothing mounted
[06:56] <Riddell> seaLne: any swaps on?
[06:57] <bddebian> Riddell: Dunno.  I'm a little confused.      It's still a matter of installing Ubuntu then install kubuntu-desktop?
[07:01] <mornfall> and i'm switching to incremental development model for adept now :-)
[07:02] <Riddell> bddebian: if you have an ubuntu CD yes
[07:02] <Riddell> use a kubuntu CD if you want kubuntu
[07:02] <Riddell> mornfall: thanks
[07:02] <OdyX> Riddell: I still confirm bug 42965. sudo foomatic-cleanupdrivers is missing somewhere...
[07:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42965 in kdeprint "Can't add a printer in KDE: parser error?" [Major,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42965
[07:03] <Riddell> OdyX: added to TODO list
[07:03] <OdyX> Riddell: fine. Thanks.
[07:11] <bddebian> I didn't see a kubuntu CD?
[07:11] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/
[07:11] <bddebian> Gah, damnit
[07:18] <MidMark> riddell don't want to push it, want to know only if Bug #45398 will be fixed for final release or not. It isn't important, just can confuse people
[07:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45398 in qtparted "with a non-empty fat32 hard disk, after delete the partition it still says that it's non-empty" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/45398
[07:21] <Riddell> MidMark: I will be looking at qtparted but I suspect I won't get round to that
[07:23] <MidMark> do you think it isn't qtparted?
[07:29] <Riddell> oh it is qtparted
[07:35] <yuriy> mornfall: (looking at bug #44202) isn't the point of having the deb-src lines in sources.list commented out so that adept/apt-get/aptitude don't check the source repos?
[07:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44202 in ept "Adept wastes bandwidth" [Wishlist,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44202
[07:35] <yuriy> i realize you want to be consistent with apt-get, but shouldn't apt-get not check those as well (it does.)
[07:36] <mornfall> umm
[07:36] <mornfall> let me repeat
[07:36] <mornfall> I DON'T CARE
[07:37] <claydoh> lol
[07:38] <mornfall> someone tell me that tens of thousands of users download deb-src index every day
[07:38] <mornfall> from every mirror
[07:39] <mornfall> it's not like it changes all the time in the stable distribution
[07:39] <mornfall> and if it doesn't change, it's not downloaded
[07:39] <mornfall> OH MY
[07:39] <mornfall> it's fscking 300 kilobytes for dapper
[07:40] <mornfall> that's not a bugreport that's an insult
[07:46] <yuriy> mornfall: my bad, i had one of them not commented, so adept/apt-get/aptitude do do it correctly.  and i'll be POLITE and tell the user to make sure they are commented out/disabled in adept
[07:46] <yuriy> the bug report was written poorly, but IMHO if it was indeed using sources.list incorrectly that would certainly be a bug.
[07:47] <mornfall> it's using sources.list correctly
[07:48] <yuriy> yup :)
[07:48] <mornfall> if the reporter doesn't have enough respect to me to do some research or file useful reports and not overinflate severity, i don't feel obliged to respect him either
[07:49] <marseillai> mornfall: if i report you something about adept? will you hurt me ?
[07:49] <marseillai> :)
[07:49] <mornfall> marseillai: maybe :-)
[07:49] <marseillai> lol
[07:49] <mornfall> marseillai: i only screw people as much as they screw up their reports
[07:50] <marseillai> mornfall: when using adept i got this messages before every dpkg-action : http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/737494 don't know if it's a bug or not
[07:50] <marseillai> so i prefer ask you if i have to report or no?
[07:50] <mornfall> marseillai: unfortunately, i  hit that as well and have no idea what to do about it :\
[07:50] <marseillai> oki
[07:51] <mornfall> it's a problem if you would want to use x-based debconf frontend
[07:51] <marseillai> i had the same thing with my debian sid! i made a mistake when upgrade dpkg and it did that ....
[07:51] <mornfall> apparently, it only breaks for some people
[07:51] <Riddell> looks like debconf is trying to use the kde frontend
[07:51] <mornfall> Riddell: which is fine, but it should be allowed to connect...
[07:51] <mornfall> unless kdesu screws something up
[07:51] <Riddell> more than likely
[07:52] <marseillai> mornfall: it does it on a breezy upgrade and a DF6 install ...
[07:52] <mornfall> marseillai: i suppose it doesn't happen *everywhere* since i have seen a screenshot of kdebconf running from adept
[07:52] <mornfall> i would have to dissect kdesu i suppose
[07:53] <marseillai> oki
[07:53] <marseillai> so you know the problem! I don't have to report ?
[07:54] <mornfall> whatever you prefer
[07:54] <mornfall> if you report, it's less likely it is forgotten
[07:54] <bddebian> Damnit, now I have to download a kubuntu CD
[07:54] <mornfall> on the other hand, i suppose it's kdesu problem
[07:55] <mornfall> so it should be filed with kdesu
[07:55] <mornfall> and there, i won't notice it
[07:55] <mornfall> you could file against kdesu and assign to me
[08:01] <marseillai> Riddell: where is located moc 4.0 in kubuntu ????
[08:01] <marseillai> I only find  this one Qt Meta Object Compiler version 26 (Qt 3.3.6)
[08:38] <marseillai> Riddell: for edgy is it possible to dream about a kubuntu-live-dvd with ubiquity, every langage pack, aibility to dist-upgrade if there is an active connection, aibility to choose package to install, configure repository to enable (universe/multiverse/restricted/plf), ask installation for restricted format, ask installation and configuration for graphic card (aka ati and nvidia) ??? ar is it a pure dream ?
[08:47] <Riddell> marseillai: dapper DVD has all language packs and ubiquity on it
[08:48] <marseillai> Riddell: yes but not the features i was talking about ....
[08:48] <Riddell> marseillai: moc is in one of the qt4 packages
[08:48] <marseillai> yes i install it ..
[08:49] <marseillai> all the libqt4 package
[08:49] <marseillai> i'll try to look where it can be
[08:56] <yuriy> what's a good place to start a wiki page and spec? wiki.kubuntu.org/YuriyKozlov/KDEGuidanceWine or just wiki.../KDEGuidanceWine or wiki.../KubuntuSummerOfCode2006/...
[09:12] <marseillai> Riddell: do you know where is locate moc for qt4 ? i only find moc 3.3.6
[09:13] <marseillai> /usr/bin/moc-qt4
[09:13] <marseillai> find
[09:13] <marseillai> :)
[09:14] <pygi> Riddell, would something like Alacarte be useful to Kubuntu?
[09:14] <Riddell> yuriy: top level
[09:14] <Riddell> yuriy: have you registered it in launchpad?
[09:14] <Riddell> pygi: remind me again what that is
[09:15] <pygi> Riddell, menu editor
[09:15] <Riddell> we already have kmenuedit
[09:15] <Riddell> userinterface could do with some improvements of course
[09:15] <yuriy> Riddell: not yet
[09:16] <pygi> hm,ok
[09:25] <yuriy> ooh found this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetterIntegratedWineSpec
[09:38] <mornfall> Riddell: well, there's at least one thing that can go to edgy as far as adept goes :)
[09:38] <mornfall> Riddell: i'm almost done splitting up the package to -common, -installer, -manager, -notifier and -updater
[09:39] <Riddell> mornfall: good idea
[09:40] <mornfall> well, possibly other things...
[09:40] <mornfall> ah, and i renamed the source package to "adept"
[09:40] <mornfall> it may be that it is ported to new apt-front before edgy
[09:40] <mornfall> and some polish issues can be solved
[09:41] <mornfall> i will kick out all user strings from apt-front as well, so translating adept should be straightforward for 2.1
[09:42] <Riddell> I'm doing a breezy -> dapper update just now, and an estimated time to go would be pretty handy
[09:43] <Riddell> oh and the single mouse button mac users have been complaining about having to right click to enable stuff in Manage Repositories
[09:47] <OdyX> Riddell: that's bad.. Isn't there a keyboard combination
[09:48] <OdyX> ?
[10:07] <claydoh> thelogo is a bit "flat" compared to the new text
[10:07] <claydoh> if that makes any sense
[10:08] <claydoh> love the colors, I dig blues quite a bit :)
[10:51] <marseillai> new kat works fine!!!!!
[10:52] <marseillai> indexer does a great job
[10:52] <marseillai> system is usable during indexation
[10:54] <Riddell> which new?
[10:56] <marseillai> kat is being recoded
[10:56] <marseillai> and i'm currently svn
[10:56] <marseillai> and i can tell it works fine
[10:56] <marseillai> there many work to do
[10:56] <marseillai> but it works fine
[10:56] <marseillai> daemon and search
[10:57] <marseillai> i've ask if it'll be ready for edgy and dev told me he'll try to have at least a beta in two month
[11:02] <nixternal> how come there isn't a kubuntu laptop testing community like there is in ubuntu?
[11:02] <nixternal> wrong channel
[11:02] <nixternal> sorry
[11:02] <OculusAquilae> marseillai: nice
[11:04] <Riddell> nixternal: because canonical never put kubuntu in the laptop testing team's contracts and because nobody has taken the inititive to start one
[11:05] <nixternal> ahhhh...well i have been testing on a couple of laptops thinking there was one ready...i don't know where to post the information
[11:05] <Riddell> nixternal: where would you post it for ubuntu?
[11:05] <nixternal> dapper flight 7 that is
[11:05] <nixternal> ubuntu-laptop under the specifications area
[11:05] <OculusAquilae> why not making a new kubuntu laptop testing team
[11:05] <Riddell> nixternal: URL?
[11:05] <nixternal> where they have the laptop testing table
[11:05] <nixternal> one sec...it is on the laptop ;)
[11:06] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTesting
[11:07] <nixternal> that is where the info is concerning the testing...the rest is about as confusing as getting microsoft to run my dishwasher w/o crashing
[11:08] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ToshibaTecraM2  right
[11:08] <Riddell> question is do we want to put kubuntu on the same page somehow, or on separate pages
[11:09] <nixternal> Riddell: i would go with a seperate page. there is a lot with kubuntu and ubuntu getting thrown together that might be confusing for some
[11:09] <Riddell> yes, although they should have links to each page
[11:10] <nixternal> sure. but i like the blue kubuntu theme a little better ;)
[11:10] <Riddell> nixternal: please put your data on LaptopTestingTeam/MyModelKubuntu and we'll see how it looks
[11:10] <nixternal> it could become usefull with edgy
[11:10] <nixternal> i can do that Riddell
[11:10] <nixternal> no problem
[11:14] <OdyX> Riddell: about http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/newsite/ <- I was doing something very similar though
[11:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[11:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: hi
[11:16] <apachelogger> heya
[11:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: what do you think about opening a kubuntu pastebin?
[11:17] <Riddell> kubuntu.pastebin.com
[11:17] <OdyX> apachelogger: it's easy, and done..
[11:17] <apachelogger> as in _real_ kubuntu pastebin ;-)
[11:18] <OdyX> apachelogger: ah... well...
[11:18] <apachelogger> interated into kubuntu.org etc.
[11:18] <OdyX> apachelogger: what's the interest ? apart of "look" ?
[11:18] <apachelogger> nothing
[11:18] <apachelogger> at least from my point of view
[11:18] <apachelogger> http://paste.bit-freaks.net/
[11:19] <OdyX> Well.. That's fine...
[11:19] <marseillai> 8000 files indexed in less than half an hour! it tooks more than a night to do the same thing with beagle ....
[11:19] <Riddell> marseillai: what's the user interface like?
[11:20] <marseillai> lol
[11:20] <marseillai> for the moment there's no user interface
[11:20] <marseillai> only daemon running in background and a text-box for search content!
[11:20] <marseillai> the next stage is to polish the daemon and do the interface
[11:21] <Riddell> no user interface would be the best thing actually, it should be integrated with konqueror
[11:22] <marseillai> Riddell: it's exactly what he wants
[11:23] <Riddell> perfect :)
[11:23] <marseillai> I tell you what he think about front end :
[11:23] <marseillai> [23:22]  <vandenoever> i'm relying on other people for that
[11:23] <OdyX> Riddell: Just a beginning: http://didier.raboud.com/share/temp/kubuntu.org.png
[11:23] <nixternal`afk> gotta get some work done
[11:23] <marseillai> [23:22]  <vandenoever> i do make it easy for any kde app to access the engine
[11:24] <OdyX> Riddell: do you wan't me to prepare integration of yours in wiki and stuff ?
[11:24] <OdyX> well.. it's done :-(
[11:25] <OdyX> Riddell: I'd make titles a little darker.
[11:26] <Riddell> OdyX: keep that design around, we'll use it for edgy if nothing else
[11:26] <OdyX> Riddell: you won't change the actual with yours ?
[11:26] <OdyX> Riddell: I'll polish it for Edgy then
[11:26] <Riddell> I've no time just now
[11:26] <Riddell> only 4 months to edgy!
[11:26] <Riddell> and a week
[11:28] <OdyX> Sure. So it'll stay "as is" for Dapper ?
[11:28] <OdyX> Well.. I could do integration if you want (and give me access).
[11:30] <Riddell> I can't give access to website, and I have no access to wiki or shipit which are the other two that need updated
[11:32] <OdyX> pfiouh... Ok.
[11:32] <OdyX> Good try though
[11:32] <Riddell> I could put it in a bzr archive so other people can change it and I could sync from them
[11:32] <Riddell> but not today
[11:34] <OdyX> Riddell: well. If you do, ping me...
[12:19] <MrFaber> hi all
[12:20] <MrFaber> Does anyone knows where the display suspend time of system settings is saved because it is always resetted to 30 minutes?
[03:35] <Burgundavia> anybody know who loic2 on the wiki?
[03:39] <Riddell> pef?
[03:39] <Riddell> dunno, where did you find him?
[03:39] <Burgundavia> we is doing odd things on the wiki
[03:40] <apachelogger> kood nikht all :-)
[03:41] <Burgundavia> s/we/he
[03:43] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/people/loic  <-- kubuntu's loic
[03:44] <bddebian> Heya
[03:44] <Riddell> hi bddebian
[03:45] <bddebian> Hi Riddell.  Hows things going?
[03:46] <Riddell> release candidate is out
[03:47] <bddebian> Cool
[03:47] <Riddell> I think dapper is going to be a great release
[03:48] <bddebian> Yeah, it looks nice.  Both kubuntu and Ubuntu
[04:30] <imbrandon> yea i totaly agree
[04:30] <imbrandon> morning bddebian Riddell
[04:31] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon
[04:31] <imbrandon> heh
[04:33] <claydoh> I do want to say you folks are doing an amazing job w/kubuntu
[04:34] <bddebian> Yes, they are :-)
[04:47] <imbrandon> Riddell: hows your new google soc guy ;)
[04:50] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: hi, how about avahi-utils  :)
[04:50] <imbrandon> freeflying|away: thought i gave that to ya, hold on lemme grab the diff
[04:51] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: well
[04:51] <imbrandon> http://ubuntustuff.sytes.net/devel/dapper/avahi.debdiff
[04:53] <imbrandon> sorry for being so late, thought i gave you the link before i went to sleep yesterday
[04:59] <freeflying|away> imbrandon: I'd upload it soon, thanks
[05:03] <crimsun> freeflying|away: you have main privs?
[05:04] <freeflying|away> crimsun: avahi in universe
[05:04] <Lathiat> avahi is in main
[05:04] <imbrandon> avahi is main i think
[05:04] <Lathiat> trentl@ubuntu:~$ apt-cache showsrc avahi|grep Direct
[05:04] <Lathiat> Directory: pool/main/a/avahi
[05:05] <freeflying|away> silly me
[05:06] <bddebian>  apt-cache madison avahi ;-)
[05:06] <imbrandon> heh
[05:08] <Lathiat> ah yes madison
[05:08] <Lathiat> forgot about that
[05:10] <freeflying|away> avahi-utils is in universe, I'm right  :)
[05:11] <bddebian> But the source is in main ;-)
[05:11] <bddebian> bdefreese@bdubuntu1:~$ apt-cache madison avahi-utils
[05:11] <bddebian> avahi-utils | 0.6.10-0ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Packages
[05:11] <bddebian>      avahi | 0.6.10-0ubuntu2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main Sources
[05:11] <imbrandon> ouch
[05:38] <freeflying|away> bddebian: around
[05:38] <bddebian> Yo
[05:39] <freeflying|away> bddebian: seems I can not upload avahi-utils, would you like sponsor my upload?
[05:40] <bddebian> freeflying|away: I can't upload to main :-(  Sorry
[05:42] <freeflying|away> bddebian: heh, avahi-utils in universe,but avahi is in main
[05:42] <freeflying|away> crimsun: around ?
[05:55] <Lathiat> freeflying|away: yep but main standards still apply
[05:58] <freeflying|away> http://www.ubuntu-zh.org/~freeflying/debdiff/avahi.debdiff
[06:44] <poimen> !seen freeflying
[06:46] <robotgeek> poimen: no ubotu here
[06:46] <poimen> :(
[06:46] <freeflying|away> poimen: hey
[06:46] <poimen> hi
[06:46] <freeflying|away> robotgeek: hi
[06:46] <poimen> can we priv msg?
[06:47] <freeflying|away> poimen: sure
[06:47] <robotgeek> hey freeflying|away
[06:49] <freeflying|away> robotgeek: long to see you  :)
[06:49] <robotgeek> freeflying|away: yeah, been busy
[09:34] <freeflying> Riddell: around?
[10:11] <nixternal> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ToshibaSatellite1735 <-- there she is, completely tested for Kubuntu
[10:11] <nixternal> good night all
[10:11] <Hobbsee> nixternal`zzz: good point, i should do that...
[10:12] <nixternal`zzz> hehe
[10:12] <nixternal`zzz> i am burnt
[10:12] <nixternal`zzz> been testin' that bad boy all night...it took everything i threw at it...i am so happy i ran into kubuntu ;)
[10:13] <nixternal`zzz> i even broke xorg so bad i confused myself...don't try attaching 2 screens to 1 display...doesn't work...hehe
[10:13] <Hobbsee> wonder what it says...
[10:14] <nixternal`zzz> i tried to force desktop extension for a card that will not do it...i was close...but i just couldn't get it
[11:15] <vincentrc> Hi J.Riddel, are you there ? I'd like to talk to you about 2 bugs (release candidate). Is it the correct channel for this ?
[11:19] <freeflying|away> vincentrc: what's wrong with RC
[11:19] <vincentrc> Wait please. coming.
[11:21] <vincentrc> Sorry, I tape very slowly (Lol !) please go on #kubuntu.
[11:22] <seaLne> Riddell: just checked and qtparted gives the error i had ~1800 yesterday with the disk when run on its own
[11:26] <imbrandon> he is speaking of malone bug #40596 ( taken from #kubuntu )
[11:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40596 in kde-systemsettings "(Dapper) Same reaction whatever option choosen in Desktop>Windows behavior>Actions in title bar" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/40596
[11:27] <seaLne> anyone getting OptionalError from launchpad every few page loads?
[11:28] <imbrandon> seaLne, yea i thought it was just me
[11:28] <imbrandon> maybe we should report in #launchpad
[12:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: horrible!
[12:59] <Riddell> err?
[12:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how do you spell my nick???
[12:59] <Riddell> vincentrc: hi
[12:59] <Riddell> Hobbsee: no idea, I always get confused about which letters are double and which aren't
[12:59] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:59] <Hobbsee> hobbsee
[12:59] <Riddell> fortunately most of the time I have tab completion
[01:00] <Hobbsee> it's *not* a single b :P
[01:00] <Hobbsee> and your blog is wrong :P
[01:00] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: for shame - most people can remember how to spell yours :P
[01:00] <vincentrc> Hi JR
[01:01] <Riddell> Hobbsee: except that before you arrived vincentrc didn't, which is why I didn't respond to him earlier :)
[01:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hmmm?
[01:02] <Riddell> nixternal`zzz: lots of nice ticks there
[01:02] <vincentrc> Riddel : What do thing about this ? Can you confirm ? (if you have some time)
[01:03] <Riddell> freeflying: hi
[01:03] <freeflying> Riddell: hey
[01:03] <marseillai> so! after a night of testing : kat daemon and kat searching klient works really fine! it's almost ready for a beta test ....
[01:03] <marseillai> it kills beagle on much features
[01:04] <freeflying> Riddell: avahi-utils has two entries in menu, shall we fix it?
[01:04] <marseillai> through one in system and one in utilitaires
[01:04] <Riddell> freeflying: it's in universe, go ahead
[01:05] <vincentrc> Riddell : There was something else about the live CD (RC) : you have to do Ctrl + Alt + Backspace in order to the screen resolution modifications take effect. Should I report on launchpad ?
[01:05] <Riddell> although source is in main, but I can upload
[01:05] <Riddell> vincentrc: yes, report under kde-guidance package
[01:05] <freeflying> Riddell: http://www.ubuntu-zh.org/~freeflying/debdiff/avahi.debdiff
[01:05] <vincentrc> Ok
[01:07] <OculusAquilae> hi
[01:07] <OculusAquilae> is it normal that guidance only works at the second boot here?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> hi OculusAquilae
[01:08] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: nope
[01:08] <Riddell> which module?
[01:08] <OculusAquilae> Display
[01:09] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: could you give some more info about what you are seeing?
[01:10] <OculusAquilae> _Sime: there was this text saying you that it couldn't be loaded (now its my second boot and it works)
[01:10] <OculusAquilae> the same that comes if you change the code and reinstall it
[01:10] <OculusAquilae> i think
[01:11] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: kde-systemsettings said that it could not load the display module?
[01:11] <OculusAquilae> right
[01:11] <OculusAquilae> right after installation of the RC
[01:11] <OculusAquilae> from desktop-cd
[01:15] <_Sime> I'll be able to test that in a minute... (just installed the RC)
[01:15] <OculusAquilae> ok
[01:17] <vincentrc> Riddell : Done : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/46734
[01:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46734 in kde-guidance "(Kubuntu Dapper RC, Live CD only) Screen resolution modifications take effect only after Ctrl + Alt + Backspace." [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[01:21] <vincentrc> Sorry to bother you again with this bug (https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/40596), somebody told me it was too late to solve it. Is it true (I had reported it a long time ago) ? Can somebody confirm this bug, or is it only happening on my computer.
[01:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40596 in kde-systemsettings "(Dapper) Same reaction whatever option choosen in Desktop>Windows behavior>Actions in title bar" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[01:26] <seaLne> having kubuntu-desktop removed during breezy upgrade means you miss out on quite a lot of packages
[01:28] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: the display modules starts up ok.
[01:28] <OculusAquilae> _Sime: hm
[01:28] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: and the resolution change in fact does not work correctly.
[01:28] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: I also saw this problem recently when I switched over to a new nvidia card (from ATI).
[01:28] <OculusAquilae> hm
[01:28] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: it is something to do with X11 and nvidia.
[01:29] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: and the RandR extension.
[01:29] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: wine couldn't change res either.
[01:29] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: I really don't know what we can do about it.
[01:30] <OculusAquilae> _Sime: did the resolution-change work with the module of KDE for Display things?
[01:30] <OculusAquilae> Hobbsee: :) right, it is too hard :)
[01:31] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: don't know. But wine uses the same x extension, and it had trouble too. I also tried the xrandr command.
[01:32] <Hobbsee> got it!!!!
[01:32] <Hobbsee> :D
[01:32] <Hobbsee> nyah to those painful grey things!
[01:32] <OculusAquilae> _Sime: what about the krandr-thing for kicker?
[01:32] <OculusAquilae> it works
[01:32] <_Sime> yeah, it works now, So does guidance and xrandr.
[01:33] <_Sime> i'm using the nvidia driver BTW
[01:34] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: now xrandr works but guidance still doesn't. :-/
[01:35] <_Sime> grrr
[01:35] <OculusAquilae> _Sime: hm, here it works , but it seems that the monitor config of this module don't write the size of the monitor into the xorg.conf, so it can't choose bigger resolutions
[01:36] <OculusAquilae> I choose 1280x1024 but this resolution is not in my xorg.conf and then it isn't possible to select it
[01:37] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: now guidance works too. Everything suddenly works.
[01:37] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: your monitor is probably Plug n Play, and it is not being detected propertly at boot time.
[01:38] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: try selecting a monitor manually in systemsettings.
[01:38] <_Sime> OculusAquilae: and restart X
[01:38] <seaLne> is there a "problems with dapper" wiki page?
[01:40] <seaLne> ah https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperKnownProblems
[01:40] <seaLne> is linked but dosen't exist
[01:41] <Riddell> linked from where?
[01:41] <seaLne> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[01:41] <OculusAquilae> _Sime: ok now it works
[01:42] <OculusAquilae> but its 17" so i switch back to 1024x768 :)
[01:43] <Riddell> seaLne: ah, that's foor final I think, but please do start off that known problems page
[01:44] <seaLne> k
[01:52] <seaLne> is there a wiki way to link to a bug?
[01:52] <Riddell> just URL I tihnk
[02:10] <MrFaber> hi all
[02:10] <freeflying> Riddell: did you get the debdiff of avahi
[02:11] <MrFaber> Is this bug known? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-systemsettings/+bug/46739
[02:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46739 in kde-systemsettings "monitor power off time isn't saved" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[02:11] <Riddell> freeflying: yep, I'll ask to upload it along with a couple others I'm preparing
[02:12] <MrFaber> It happens for a long time but I though that this is a widely known bug.
[02:12] <freeflying> Riddell: thx, we can upload to universe now?
[02:12] <Riddell> freeflying: yes, if other MOTU agree
[02:15] <MrFaber> Can this be fixed until release?
[02:15] <freeflying> Riddell: thanks
[02:15] <Riddell> MrFaber: report it to kde-guidance and see what _Sime says
[02:16] <MrFaber> at least the power off time, the display bug isn't important
[02:16] <MrFaber> Riddell: in channel kde-guidance?
[02:16] <Riddell> MrFaber: package kde-guidance, not kde-systemsettings
[02:17] <MrFaber> Riddell: ups, sorry
[02:19] <MrFaber> done
[02:20] <Hobbsee> you know, it'd be cool if we could package basic cli help with edgy, too...seems that people need it...
[02:20] <MrFaber> _Sime: you there?
[02:20] <MrFaber> Riddell: btw thx :)
[02:21] <_Sime> MrFaber: hi
[02:21] <MrFaber> _Sime: Do you know this bug https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/46742 ?
[02:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46742 in kde-guidance "monitor power off time isn't saved" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[02:21] <MrFaber> hi _Sime :)
[02:22] <_Sime> MrFaber: yeah I just read it.
[02:23] <_Sime> MrFaber: ok, the first thing you can do is open up a konsole and run systemsettings from there so that you can see any error messages,
[02:23] <MrFaber> _Sime: ok
[02:24] <MrFaber> open /dev/mem: Permission denied
[02:24] <MrFaber> VESA BIOS Extensions not detected.
[02:24] <MrFaber> _Sime:
[02:25] <MrFaber> _Sime: When I change it this is posted. BTW it looks like changed setting but if I restart X it is resetted to 30 minutes.
[02:28] <_Sime> MrFaber: what gets posted?
[02:29] <MrFaber> _Sime: ok, I paste the whole output in pastebin
[02:29] <MrFaber> one second
[02:29] <MrFaber> _Sime: http://pastebin.ca/59015
[02:30] <MrFaber> _Sime: its changes the time but only for session
[02:31] <_Sime> MrFaber: that looks normal to me.
[02:31] <MrFaber> _Sime: hm, and it overwrites laptop mode setting. Where is the power off time saved?
[02:39] <MrFaber> _Sime: please post where the setting is saved so I can change it with a script on every start
[02:39] <MrFaber> _Sime: thx for checking - bbl
[02:43] <_Sime> MrFaber: the setting is set with xset. I'm not sure who or what actually saves it between logins.
[02:43] <_Sime> MrFaber: I'll do a test here.
[02:45] <_Sime> MrFaber: the setting is being automatically saved after log out for me.
[02:46] <_Sime> MrFaber: what are laptop-mode settings?
[02:58] <imbrandon> Riddell, or Hobbsee, any idea why i would not get any printers on my printer list ( see screenshot http://imbrandon.sytes.net/misc/printer.png )
[02:58] <imbrandon> upto date dapper , just made sure everyting is updated
[02:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: The requested URL /misc/printer.png was not found on this server.
[02:59] <imbrandon> sorry http://imbrandon.sytes.net/misc/printerlist.png
[03:00] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: that's there again?
[03:00] <imbrandon> it sees the printer on the port etc, just cant choose a driver ;)
[03:00] <imbrandon> guess so, dident know it was there before
[03:00] <imbrandon> is there an easy fix i can do ?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> i had that, then got cups updates...
[03:01] <imbrandon> i just made sure i had all updates , so if there is one its not in the rpos yet
[03:01] <imbrandon> repos
[03:02] <imbrandon> grr just when i need to print some stuff too lol
[03:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:03] <imbrandon> poke'em with one of your super pokes in the ribs Hobbsee ;)
[03:03] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: heh.
[03:04] <imbrandon> hahaha , thats the only way ( well that and my winxp theme ) i got my mother to let me switch her computer to linux ( hp printer support )
[03:04] <imbrandon> heh
[03:05] <imbrandon> you see my new tux start button ?
[03:05] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ewww...hadnt noticed how xp-ish it was, until you mentioned that...
[03:05] <imbrandon> lol
[03:06] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: what theme are you using on that?
[03:06] <imbrandon> thats a good thing, transparency ;)
[03:06] <Hobbsee> window deco is plastic, i assume - standard blue theme?
[03:06] <imbrandon> Hobbsee,  one i've made, havent got it packaged up
[03:06] <Hobbsee> ah...is that it...
[03:06] <imbrandon> yea kwin deco and kbfx are the main changes
[03:07] <imbrandon> plastik is the widgets
[03:07] <Riddell> imbrandon: works for me
[03:07] <Riddell> imbrandon: is the mouse cursor a busy cursor?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: try removing all your printers, then adding htem again.
[03:07] <imbrandon> nope
[03:08] <imbrandon> its a normal cursur, it  says "loading driver list .... " or similar for like 3 seconds then go's blank
[03:09] <imbrandon> with a normal cursor like its wanting me to select from the list , but obviouisly i cant do
[03:10] <imbrandon> what package should i remove and reinstall to see if that helps .... cupsd ?
[03:10] <imbrandon> err cupsys ?
[03:11] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you can try sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
[03:11] <imbrandon> did that ;(
[03:11] <imbrandon> before i came in here
[03:11] <Hobbsee> odd
[03:12] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, you have a printer ? try it  ....... if your brave heh
[03:12] <Hobbsee> well, one of two...
[03:13] <Hobbsee> there's stuff in the mailing lists about cups being borked again, it seems
[03:13] <imbrandon> heh i dunt wanna install windows just to print something lol
[03:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: nope, I can happily remove and add again
[03:13] <imbrandon> whoa hmmm wonder whats diffrent on my system
[03:14] <Riddell> imbrandon: try purging cupsys and reinstalling it and the other stuff that depends on it
[03:14] <imbrandon> Riddell, anything else i can check to help ?
[03:14] <imbrandon> kk will do, back in a few when thats done
[03:14] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: checking it
[03:15] <Hobbsee> MODEL:HP Color LaserJet 4500
[03:15] <imbrandon> Riddell, should i manualy delete these files ......
[03:15] <imbrandon>  * Stopping Common Unix Printing System: cupsd                                                                                [ ok ]
[03:15] <imbrandon> Purging configuration files for cupsys ...
[03:15] <imbrandon> dpkg - warning: while removing cupsys, directory `/var/cache/cups' not empty so not removed.
[03:15] <imbrandon> dpkg - warning: while removing cupsys, directory `/var/run/cups' not empty so not removed.
[03:16] <imbrandon> before reinstalling ?
[03:16] <Riddell> make sure cupsys isn't running and remove those directories
[03:16] <imbrandon> k
[03:17] <Hobbsee> hmmm....this kde print wizard doesnt force you to use kdesu
[03:17] <Hobbsee> so you cant load any new drivers
[03:18] <imbrandon> you can hit the admin button
[03:18] <Hobbsee> true...
[03:19] <Hobbsee> yeah, it added again...
[03:19] <imbrandon> whooo hooo worked this time .... wonder what got borked on my sys
[03:20] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it's CUPS - heisenburg bugs are to be expected.
[03:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what would it take to get rid of  that darned certificate message for accessing wiki.kubuntu.org?
[03:35] <Riddell> fix konqueror to remember it, poke sysadmin to get a certificate
[03:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: happens in firefox too
[03:35] <imbrandon> firefox does it too
[03:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: who's sysadmin
[03:36] <Hobbsee> ?
[03:37] <Riddell> probably znarl, but I'll poke him
[03:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: okay, cool, thanks
[03:45] <Hobbsee> bad sound!
[03:46] <jsgotangco> wooo
[03:46] <Hobbsee> hi jsgotangco
[03:46] <Hobbsee> what 'cha dancing over?
[03:46] <jsgotangco> i just installed Kubuntu again after a year
[03:47] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: yay!  arent you one of those edubuntu-type-people though?
[03:47] <Hobbsee> or do you have multiple machines?
[03:47] <jsgotangco> Hobbsee: i wrote some stuff for Kubuntu-docs back then
[03:47] <Hobbsee> jsgotangco: ah...i see...i see :)
[03:47] <jsgotangco> but im very much a gnome person
[03:47] <jsgotangco> Hobbsee: but i like what i see now :)
[03:48] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:49] <jsgotangco> seriously..this is a quantum leap
[03:50] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:50] <jsgotangco> i gotta check my laptop if it got to capture all the stuff
[03:51] <pygi> hey jsgotangco :)
[03:51] <jsgotangco> pygi: hey :)
[03:52] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[03:52] <jsgotangco> hi
[03:52] <bddebian> Heya jsgotangco
[03:52] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian (again)
[03:52] <bddebian> heh
[03:56] <Hobbsee> they're very interesting, you know
[03:57] <Hobbsee> and maybe i can cope with appearing in them :P
[03:57] <Hobbsee> perhaps.
[03:58] <Riddell> ah hah, Hobbsee can be our model for the image to go with the dapper release announcement
[03:59] <Hobbsee> seeing as he will have a camera when he's over here
[03:59] <imbrandon> send a kubuntu cd with him too ;)
[04:00] <imbrandon> done deal ........ *hides*
[04:00] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, i'd like one of them - it wouldnt get to NZ before he flies here though
[04:00] <\sh> kubuntu pr0n nice ;)
[04:00] <imbrandon> heh
[04:01] <seaLne> stabbing is always good
[04:01] <Hobbsee> seaLne: hehe - want the honours?
[04:02] <\sh> I would model for the release announcement but I think I'm not the type of model riddell wants to have ;)
[04:02] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:02] <jsgotangco> Riddell: is kubuntu going to have a separate release annoucement? I thought we're going to all-in-one route?
[04:02] <seaLne> "kubuntu - linux for hetrosexuals" :P
[04:03] <Riddell> jsgotangco: it'll be separate for the final thing yes
[04:03] <jsgotangco> ahh k
[04:03] <\sh> seaLne: metrosexuals ;)
[04:04] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: help it out a bit?  :P
[04:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm sure you dont want me as a model either :P  I'm not that pretty
[04:04] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: sure; I'll be swarming the channels on release right before and after my egzam ;-)
[04:04] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:07] <\sh> Hobbsee: this is punishment enough http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/v/shermannpics/Karlsruhe2006/20060518PaulsAbschied/P1000333.JPG.html
[04:07] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:07] <\sh> ;)
[04:07] <Hobbsee> yeah, stick that as the model pic...
[04:08] <\sh> Hobbsee: http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/v/Linuxtag2006/P1000274.JPG.html
[04:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hehe
[04:08] <\sh> 2 of the new kubuntu council members are on this picture
[04:09] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it'll be entirely obvious though, when i actually get to a conference about (k)ubuntu - very few women - especially not of  my age...
[04:09] <imbrandon> hahah true
[04:09] <Hobbsee> \sh: want to enlighten us on who they are?
[04:09] <imbrandon> who is that \sh
[04:09] <imbrandon> the female is too old to be Hobbsee ;)
[04:09] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:10] <imbrandon> can you even get one yet?
[04:10] <\sh> Hobbsee: left front: Amu, left behind amu is allee,  right front: zerlinna, right back: raphink
[04:10] <Hobbsee> i can, but if  i wait till i'm over 18, then i can get a 10 year one...
[04:10] <jsgotangco> ahh its been a year since i last saw amu
[04:10] <imbrandon> ahhh ok Hobbsee wasent sure on teh au rules for them
[04:11] <apokryphos> does amu still not work on the live cd?
[04:11] <apokryphos> or desktop cd now, I should say
[04:11] <\sh> apokryphos: he is doing the kubuntu.de releases for new software etc. he did as well the linuxtag dvd
[04:12] <\sh> http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/v/Linuxtag2006/P1000254.JPG.html <= kwwii and amu @ indian restaurant
[04:12] <apokryphos> ah yes, I remember reading that
[04:12] <apokryphos> cool :)
[04:12] <imbrandon> there should be a pic database somewhere for all the kubuntu members ;)
[04:12] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: hehe.  with labels.
[04:12] <imbrandon> yea
[04:12] <Hobbsee> the UDU and UBZ pics are pretty good - with labels...
[04:13] <Riddell> launchpad.net/people has hackergotchis
[04:13] <imbrandon> flickr is nice
[04:13] <Riddell> but a kubuntu group photo would be cool
[04:13] <imbrandon> yea Riddell pic like these
[04:13] <\sh> apokryphos: flickr is not nice enough...the pictures are not big enough after upload
[04:13] <imbrandon> brb i gott hit the store
[04:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe, send me a plane ticket :P
[04:14] <apokryphos> \sh: you can keep the original size (though I think it's not displayed for normal accounts). There's always a "large image" option, which is something like 1000xbleh
[04:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: heh.  good luck.
[04:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: no...wait...do you actually have a picture of me at all?
[04:15] <imbrandon> ummm now that i think about it nope
[04:15] <imbrandon> lol
[04:16] <imbrandon> hold on Hobbsee brb , i got to hit the store
[04:16] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:16] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: few do, i wouldnt worry.
[04:16] <imbrandon_gonesh> brb
[04:38] <\sh> apokryphos: for the non paying people as well?
[04:40] <apokryphos> free users get the following sizes available http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=149765727&size=o
[04:40] <apokryphos> (up to 1200x900). If the album owner has a "pro" account, then whoever views the picture... there'll always be the option to see original resolution, however large it is
[04:41] <\sh> I stay with my own gallery ;)
[04:41] <apokryphos> I use my own gallery script too, but mainly because I'm lazy
[04:41] <apokryphos> flickr is really good because of the options available for it (kipi-plugins, kflickr). Camera -> album in 30 secs
[04:42] <apokryphos> and the organisation tools are pretty damn excellent, if I may say so. Some awesome javascript wizards there
[04:44] <Hobbsee> Lure: hehe.  Riddell managed to spell your nick right?
[04:44] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:44] <Lure> name not, but nick yes ;-)
[04:45] <Lure> blog editor probably does not support tab ;-)
[04:45] <OdyX> Lure: it doesn't seem to support uppercase...
[04:46] <Hobbsee> Lure: having names on pages that other people read is bad.
[04:46] <Riddell> Hobbsee: my mis-spelling could have been a deliberate attempt to respect your privacy
[04:47] <Lure> Riddell: good one ;-)
[04:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: that's true - nah, i dont mind people using my nick :P
[04:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: nice try :P
[04:47] <robotgeek> i'm all over the interweb anyways, too late for remorse :)
[04:47] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: same here - my nick, not my name.
[04:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell:  i come up enough in google that any misspelling of my name would be repointed to the correct version.
[04:50] <Lure> Riddell: btw, who is upstream maintainer for knetworkconf? In case we do not get network guidance for Edgy, I would like to get WPA/WPA2 support in knetworkconf for people who do not want knetworkmanager...
[04:51] <Riddell> Lure: Juan Luis Baptiste<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:52] <Riddell> I've told him I'll put in the current kubuntu patches soon
[04:52] <Hobbsee> does anyone happen to know when i'm supposed to be working tomorrow?
[04:54] <OdyX> Riddell: almost... OdyX <- uppercase at last too... :D
[04:54] <OdyX> Hobbsee: at 2.
[04:55] <Hobbsee> OdyX: serious?  i really have no idea...
[04:55] <OdyX> Hobbsee: not at all.
[04:55] <jeroenvrp> hi guys
[04:55] <Hobbsee> darn.
[04:55] <Hobbsee> hi jeroenvrp
[04:55] <jeroenvrp> great RC
[04:56] <jeroenvrp> one question: why is CUPS a dependancy of almost any application?
[04:57] <jeroenvrp> I dont want cups, I have a paperless office :-)
[04:57] <OdyX> jeroenvrp: good question
[04:58] <jeroenvrp> OdyX: thanks, and now the answers ;-)
[04:58] <OdyX> next question jeroenvrp
[04:58] <OdyX> :D
[04:58] <jeroenvrp> no thats the only one
[04:58] <OdyX> woops
[04:58] <OdyX> ;-)
[04:58] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: cupsys isn't, libcups probably will be
[04:59] <OdyX> Well. Can't you let cups, desactivated ?
[04:59] <jeroenvrp> I just installed kubuntu-desktop, to make sure I've got all new things and now am nusy going to strip tjinks, like raid, bluetooth, laptop things and printer support
[05:01] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: yes indeed
[05:01] <jeroenvrp> OdyX: yes than I have to dsiable it
[05:02] <OdyX> jeroenvrp: that'it...
[05:02] <OdyX> jeroenvrp: the only inconveniant would be the place it takes.
[05:02] <jeroenvrp> OdyX: yes I know, but I like to clean it up a little bit
[05:03] <OdyX> jeroenvrp: well.. We all want.. :D Compile all your apps removing cups dependancy then
[05:03] <OdyX> :D
[05:04] <seaLne> its ok they aren't installed by default
[05:04] <OdyX> :P
[05:08] <Hobbsee> night all...
[05:08] <MrFaber> _Sime: with laptop-mode you can define different power off times for working on battery or with ac adapter, but I haven't set 30 minutes in laptop mode
[05:11] <\sh> oh did I tell you that kubuntu.de has now "planet.kubuntu.de" ?
[05:13] <apokryphos> cool
[05:15] <Riddell> \sh: nice
[05:15] <Riddell> can anyone get to http://picasa.google.com/linux/ ?
[05:15] <Hobbsee> Not Found
[05:15] <Hobbsee> The requested URL /linux/ was not found on this server.
[05:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: no
[05:16] <freeflying|away> Riddell: it's not native linux application
[05:16] <\sh> Hobbsee: no available for europe and other non american people
[05:16] <Hobbsee> \sh: what?  urgh!
[05:16] <freeflying|away> Riddell: picasa+ wine + mshtml
[05:16] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: can get the direct link for you
[05:16] <apokryphos> http://picasa.google.com.nyud.net:8080/linux/
[05:17] <robotgeek> http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/pool/non-free/p/picasa/picasa_2.2.2820-5_i386.deb
[05:17] <Riddell> so the web pages don't work outside the US but you can wget the .deb fine
[05:17] <Riddell> that's very daft
[05:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:17] <Hobbsee> that's the idea
[05:18] <apokryphos> no actual idea why it's only available in US only, too. As some /. noted, Windoze version is available anywhere.
[05:18] <Hobbsee> same with those dreaded windows programs too, you know - you can get the dir link after going thru the activatoin process - then just post the link.  extremely daft.
[05:19] <apokryphos> is Picasa really Qt though?
[05:19] <Riddell> apokryphos: no, that's google earth
[05:19] <apokryphos> heard someone say it, then heard someone say in ubuntu-offtopic that it's definitely not
[05:19] <apokryphos> ..and then I see this blog http://cartman-kde.blogspot.com/2006/05/google-is-clueless.html
[05:20] <jeroenvrp> mm laptop-mode has also a systemwide dependency
[05:20] <jeroenvrp> I don't have a laptop, so... can I disablem it?
[05:21] <apokryphos> Riddell: interesting. Funny with a blog title about Google being clueless =)
[05:32] <imbrandon_gonesh> kubuntu - "kollaboration to the core"  ;)
[05:32] <Hobbsee> wb imbrandon
[05:33] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[05:34] <imbrandon> some*
[05:35] <Hobbsee> bleck.  smokes.
[05:35] <bddebian> Yummy
[05:35] <Hobbsee> nice strawberry milk though :P
[05:38] <Hobbsee> okay, i'm really off to bed this time...night all...
[05:38] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: if you're any good with xine and alsa and amarok, #kubuntu needs you
[05:41] <imbrandon> looks like they got it before i got in there, heh, was updating my blog ( FINALY )
[05:42] <nixternal> good mornin'...i am gettin' up, hobbsee is goin' to sleep..this is what i call an aroudnt he clock operation...and imbrandon the code monkey has been up for 4 days straight :)
[05:43] <imbrandon> lol nah
[05:43] <nixternal> i went to sleep 6 hours ago and your were still up..hehe
[05:43] <bddebian> heh
[05:44] <nixternal> put down the keyboard and step away form the machine ;D
[05:44] <imbrandon> its about my bed time thats for sure
[05:44] <nixternal> hehe
[05:45] <imbrandon> heya bddebian
[05:45] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[05:59] <bddebian> What the heck is the difference between the ksimus.desktop and the ksimus-execute.desktop?
[06:01] <OdyX> "-execute" ?
[06:13] <Riddell> bddebian: where?
[06:39] <bddebian> Riddell: Inside the source.
[06:39] <bddebian> bdefreese@bdubuntu1:~/devel/ksimus$ dpkg-deb -c ksimus_0.3.6-2-10ubuntu2_i386.deb |grep desktop
[06:39] <bddebian> -rw-r--r-- root/root       357 2002-08-05 17:44:00 ./usr/share/applnk/Applications/ksimus.desktop
[06:39] <bddebian> -rw-r--r-- root/root       395 2002-08-05 17:44:00 ./usr/share/applnk/Applications/ksimus-execute.desktop
[06:39] <bddebian> -rw-r--r-- root/root       130 2002-08-05 17:44:00 ./usr/share/mimelnk/application/x-ksimus.desktop
[06:39] <bddebian> And in the source, they look pretty much identical
[07:11] <bddebian> Man, I am going to kill this poor Dell laptop installing every derivative of Ubuntu on it..
[07:12] <jsgotangco> heh this has 4
[08:11] <bddebian> Well Live CD and Live Install seemed to work great for me
[08:11] <jjesse> that's good news, haven't had a chance to download them yet myself as i am !high speed internet (dial up connection for awhile) :(
[08:11] <bddebian> :-(
[08:30] <jjesse> Riddell: i sent you the pictures you were missing for the chapter
[08:33] <Riddell> jjesse: thanks, I'll see if I can upload them (it'll need approval)
[08:33] <jjesse> Riddell: it shouldn't be too hard ot get approval should it?
[08:34] <Riddell> jjesse: no
[08:35] <jjesse> ok, let me know what else i can do to help
[09:26] <pascalFR> hello
[09:26] <pascalFR> bug 42232
[09:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42232 in kdepim "all contacts lost - address book resource truncated to zero" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/42232
[09:26] <pascalFR> this is really a showstopper for me ...
[09:28] <toma> pascalFR: which version of kdelibs are you using?
[09:29] <toma> i recall the fix got in at version 3.5.2.
[09:31] <pascalFR> toma: 3.5.2-0ubuntu18
[09:39] <toma> pascalFR: so far you are the only reporter of this problem with 3.5.2 as far as i can see, in the br and upstream report
[09:40] <toma> pascalFR: not sure what to do
[09:40] <pascalFR> toma: humm strange ... then I'll try with a clean .kde       strangely kde upgrades have always lead to problems with old .kde
[09:41] <pascalFR> toma: or maybe my  vcs file  is corrupted somewhere and triggers another bug
[09:41] <toma> pascalFR: never had problems with that, since 3.1.4 when i started with kde.
[09:41] <toma> pascalFR: possible
[09:43] <pascalFR> toma: for example  on some entries   firstname lastname  combinaison  only appears when I edit then save the entry
[09:44] <pascalFR> toma: in the listing columns they call  formatted name
[10:08] <yuriy_> when i go to the kubuntu wiki, opera tells me The server's name "wiki.kubuntu.org" does not match the certificate's name "wiki.ubuntu.com".
[10:11] <nixternal`chores> that is due to wiki.kubuntu.org just using ubuntu.org's ssl certificate for the good ol' https...they need to get their own in order for it to go away
[10:34] <Tm_M> hey
[10:34] <Tm_M> whats up
[10:48] <yuriy_> nixternal`chores: i realize that, i was hoping "they"= somebody here who can go fix it
[10:49] <Riddell> I've had more complaints about that in the last week than in the last month or two since it was launched
[10:51] <Riddell> I've put in a request with the sysadmins to fix it
[11:53] <Riddell> MiKiX!
[11:53] <Riddell> everyone: welcome our new summer of code student
[11:54] <MiKiX> good evening everybody
[11:56] <Riddell> MiKiX: so, you'll be writing our super cool floppy disk and USB formatting tool?
[11:57] <MiKiX> yes
[11:57] <Riddell> MiKiX: have you coded in qt/KDE before?
[11:59] <MiKiX> yes, some program with qt3 and qt4 (a  picture viewer, a network simulator...)
[11:59] <Riddell> ah, wonderful
[11:59] <Riddell> in C++?
[11:59] <MiKiX> yes
[12:00] <Riddell> MiKiX: are you in England?
[12:02] <pygi> MiKiX, hey, welcome :)
[12:02] <MiKiX> now, yes, I finish a project at teesside university and I come back in france during june
[12:03] <marseillai> another french kde developer! :) the french kde-community is really strong! :)
[12:03] <Riddell> french kubuntu community certainly is
[12:03] <Riddell> MiKiX: you could pop in and visit us at our developers summit in Paris next month
[12:04] <Riddell> MiKiX: do you think you'll use qt3 or qt4?
[12:05] <MiKiX> I think I will use QT4
[12:06] <Riddell> good plan
[12:06] <Riddell> MiKiX: have you put a spec into launchpad/the wiki?
[12:09] <MiKiX> I will put the spec in my blog this week ens
[12:13] <Riddell> MiKiX: can you add a column to the table KubuntuSummerOfCode2006 and link to it when you do
[12:13] <Riddell> MiKiX: when do you think you'll start work on this?
[12:15] <MiKiX> I think I will start to work on next tuesday
[12:16] <Riddell> MiKiX: have you had any thoughts about user interface design?
[12:23] <MiKiX> I think I will try to make about the same user interface as kformat
[12:25] <Riddell> you should pass the UI by a usability person at some point, canonical's usability guy is mpt
[12:26] <Riddell> it would be good to have the application launched in the right click menu of media:/ rather than from the k-menu
[12:29] <MiKiX> yes, I try to add autodetecton to launched it when a media non formatted is inserted
[12:30] <MiKiX> I find some information about solid to do this but this library isn't finished
[12:30] <Riddell> that's a good idea
[12:30] <Riddell> well I think I'm out of questions for just now
[12:31] <Riddell> I'd like short weekly reports by e-mail of progress
[12:31] <Riddell> and do hang around on IRC, it's our natural medium
[12:31] <Riddell> oh and tvo was last years student, he might be able to give you some tips
[12:35] <MiKiX> ok, I will try to stay connect when I can in IRC and thank you for the pseudo of the two last year student
[12:39] <LeeJunFan> yay! I figured out why kde can't mount floppies, and made it work!
[01:21] <Riddell> LeeJunFan: how?
[01:26] <LeeJunFan> I updated the bug in lauchpad, apparently udev is setup so it requires you to be in the group "disk" to mount floppies.
[01:28] <LeeJunFan> or perhaps it's just kde, not really sure, but it worked anyway, I stumbled on that while resolving a problem mounting USB drives for a user I just created and didn't add to plugdev.
[01:32] <Riddell> hi Mez
[01:32] <Riddell> Mez: there was some library of yours that had issues in NEW the other day
[02:05] <Mez> Riddell: which one ? and what issues?
[02:06] <Mez> liblog4net-cil? or libflaim ?
[02:08] <Riddell> libflaim
[02:08] <Riddell> hmm, we don't have irc logs
[02:13] <Mez> lamont logs it IIRC
[02:13] <Mez> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont
[02:15] <Mez> sorry, fabbione
[02:15] <Mez> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[02:15] <crimsun> the ifolder snippet is at the bottom of http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-devel-current.html