[00:56] <semitones> hello! i'm looking for a page on wiki.ubuntu.com that i can't seem to find -- a list of hardware vendors that come with ubuntu
[00:57] <semitones> i know the big two, but there was another vendor that had laptops like the "Be" and the "Do" that looked pretty interesting, which I can't remember
[08:06] <mdke> semitones: you will probably be interested in http://friendly.ubuntu.com/
[17:02] <semitones> mdke: unfortunately friendly doens't have a list of hardware vendors with ubuntu preinstalled
[18:14] <mdke> semitones: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuPre-installed ?
[19:06] <semitones> Thank you :D :D -- why couldn't I find it by searching (which keywords or method did you use?)
[19:12] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, did you mean to commit the build directory of html in the natty branch?
[20:08] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: yeah
[20:08] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: or rather, no
[20:08] <mdke> damn
[20:09] <mdke> thanks
[20:09] <mdke> semitones: "ubuntu preinstall" on google
[20:10] <semitones> ah thanks
[23:22] <DarkwingUDS> mdke: Did we want to do something for Ubuntu Docs at UDS?


[04:23] <pitti> Good morning
[06:07] <elopio> balloons: sorry for the late reply, I didn't get the highlight.
[06:07] <elopio> balloons: it's ready, reviewed and approved. Just waiting for jenkins runners to come back.
[06:07] <elopio> note to self: ask balloons tomorrow if he got this message.
[07:00] <pitti> jibel: gentle reminder to forward your three new autopkgtests to Debian
[07:08] <jibel> pitti, Good morning.
[07:08] <pitti> jibel: bonjour
[07:08] <jibel> pitti, that's on my list for this week :)
[08:05] <DanChapman> good morning all o/
[08:06] <elfy> morning DanChapman
[08:08] <DanChapman> howdy elfy how are you?
[08:15] <elfy> ok thanks - sun's out though it's a bit parky
[08:15] <elfy> DanChapman: you're name's gone from the membership thing?
[08:15] <elfy> changed your mind?
[08:23] <DanChapman> elfy it was last thursday :-D all went well
[08:23] <elfy> ooh
[08:23] <elfy> bad elfy
[08:24] <elfy> excellent - glad you made it then :)
[08:24] <DanChapman> thanks, and thanks for the testimonial :-)
[08:24] <elfy> I only write them for people I think deserve it :)
[08:25] <elfy> cya later
[08:27] <DanChapman> :-) see you later elfy o/
[08:56] <jibel> pitti, I forwarded to Debian patches for python-jsonschema, python-datetutil and python-imaging. I'll update python-mock before submitting it.
[08:57] <pitti> jibel: merci !
[08:57] <pitti> jibel: as I'm patch pilot today anyway, I'll upload them so that we can see the results
[08:58] <pitti> ... or not, without the QA lab :)
[08:59] <pitti> jibel: oh, I don't even see -imaging and -dateutil in the sponsoring queue
[08:59] <pitti> ah, they were already uploaded
[09:00] <pitti> -imaging was, but not -dateutil
[09:00] <jibel> pitti, -imaging you sponsored it already, and -dateutil I asked seb128 to unsubscribe sponsors
[09:00] <pitti> ah, that's why
[09:00] <jibel> there is no emergency and can just wait to sync
[09:01] <pitti> if they are forwarded that's good enough for me, thanks
[09:01] <pitti> jibel: btw, did you find out why packages propagate without autopkgtests? Colin or bug?
[09:02] <jibel> pitti, bug
[09:03] <jibel> jibel, well, the interface tries to sync statuses from the lab, fails with "unable to resolve address" and skip the package
[09:03] <jibel> s/jibel/pitti/ :)
[09:03] <jibel> talking to myself, that's becoming really sad ;)
[09:04] <pitti> pitti: yes, it is!
[09:04] <pitti> jibel: ah, so for short outages that's indeed a bug
[09:05] <jibel> pitti, yes, and for long outage that's a feature
[09:05] <pitti> import predict_future
[09:06] <jibel> DanChapman, thanks for your patch, I'm reviewing it
[09:06] <pitti> http://xkcd.com/413/ , one of my favourites :)
[09:06] <DanChapman> jibel, cool cheers :-)
[09:08] <pitti> jibel: ah, so the current p-mock MP is outdated/incomplete? (as you said you were going to update something)
[09:11] <jibel> pitti, it can be simplified and without specific tox file for ubuntu or debian, and I also want to remove sphinx test which are useless for autopkgtest
[09:11] <pitti> jibel: ah good; I'll set the MP to WIP then; please set back to "needs review" once you are done
[09:33] <DanChapman> jibel it seems only the english installs are working atm. Selecting a random language is broken, i forgot about the unicode/str changes in py3
[10:16] <jibel> DanChapman, looks good. I tried with english and non-english/non-ascii languages and it works fine. Thanks!
[10:20] <jibel> DanChapman, I'll add a way to configure the branch you want to run the test from. That'll avoid changing the code to test specific changes
[10:21] <DanChapman> jibel, brilliant that would help alot :-)
[10:58] <davmor2> Morning all
[13:07] <jibel> DanChapman, https://code.launchpad.net/~jibel/ubiquity/add_autopilot_test_configuration/+merge/195050
[13:08] <jibel> there is an example in autopilot/ubiquity-autopilot-runner/config/testrunner.cfg to change point the test to another branch
[13:08] <jibel> s/change//
[13:09] <DanChapman> jibel awesome. :-) 5 mins and I will take a look
[13:10] <jibel> DanChapman, no hurry, the lab is still down, so I won't deploy anything today :)
[14:00] <elopio> good morning.
[14:55] <balloons> elopio, ahh, I got your message fyi, ty
[16:05] <DanChapman> jibel, works lovely :-) merged a few minutes ago. I like the no shutdown option :-) does the test timeout still continue running if not shutdown?
[16:06] <DanChapman> not test timeout the global timeout
[16:06] <jibel> DanChapman, the global timeout defined in the main runner does continue
[16:07] <jibel> It should be configurable too I think but I want to differentiate it from the test timeout
[16:09] <DanChapman> jibel, cool it's quite a long timeout anyway. It will come in handy if i need to quickly fire up ap-vis if needed, rather than booting up a new vm each time
[16:12] <jibel> DanChapman, I'll make it overridable with an environment variable something like TIMEOUT=123123 ./run-ubiquity-test ....
[16:13] <jibel> that'll avoid adding tons of options for every single variable
[16:13] <jibel> and it's used mostly for development/debugging
[16:38] <DanChapman> jibel, ok cool. that makes more sense to set it that way
[17:12] <elopio> ping mzanetti: would you give us a talk of 15 minutes about QML best practices?
[17:13] <mzanetti> elopio: humm... in which context?
[17:13] <mzanetti> elopio: testing?
[17:15] <elopio> mzanetti: well, it would be great if one of the best practices is to make it testable :) But not just that. We write a little QML and I'm never sure if I'm doing it right. And we review a lot of QML, and I'm not sure if the code I'm looking at could be made clearer or simpler.
[17:15] <elopio> we are doing short QA talks on ghangouts, and it would be nice if somebody can give us a few pointers to start improving there.
[17:22] <mzanetti> elopio: I'm not sure I'm the right guy for this
[17:22] <elopio> mzanetti: do you know somebody?
[17:22] <mzanetti> elopio: as what I consider being good QML code seems to differ from what we tell people otherwise
[17:23] <elopio> oh, that's bad :)
[17:23] <elopio> so maybe we can have you giving us suggestions, and somebody else giving other suggestions, and contrast them.
[17:24] <mzanetti> yes, I'd be happy to help
[17:25] <mzanetti> elopio: well, I can come up with something I guess
[17:25] <mzanetti> elopio: when would that be?
[17:25] <elopio> mzanetti: probably the week after the UDS.
[17:26] <mzanetti> elopio: and the audience is the community people? or canonical people?
[17:27] <elopio> mzanetti: the audience is the canonical QA team, but we'll invite all canonical and the QA community.
[17:27] <mzanetti> ah ok.
[17:27] <mzanetti> well for that I guess I'm quite ok
[17:27] <elopio> mzanetti: do you work at 10:30 UTC?
[17:28] <mzanetti> yes
[17:28] <jibel> DanChapman, r6062, global TIMEOUT is now configurable via environment
[17:28] <elopio> mzanetti: ok, then you choose the date for the week of the 25th and let me know.
[17:29] <mzanetti> elopio: ok
[17:29] <elopio> mzanetti: and do you know who can give the other point of view?
[17:30] <elopio> maybe he can attend at the session after yours.
[17:30] <elopio> that would be in a month or so.
[17:38] <mzanetti> elopio: well, given that it's for QA I guess I'm good
[17:40] <pitti> good night everyone!
[17:56] <elopio> bye pitti. Have a good night.
[18:49] <balloons> evening dkessel
[18:49] <dkessel> good evening balloons - just seeing ubuntu-on-air the first time...
[18:49] <dkessel> nice stuff!
[18:54] <dkessel> QUESTION: is the anonymization and encryption mechanism described anywhere in public?
[18:54] <dkessel> meh, wrong chan
[18:54] <balloons> dkessel, hehe
[18:55] <balloons> I'll let them answer
[18:55] <dkessel> balloons, everything all right? :)
[19:01] <balloons> dkessel, yes, yes
[20:05] <balloons> buonsera Letozaf_
[20:06] <Letozaf_> balloons, buonasera :)
[20:16] <balloons> doug5, howdy
[20:16] <balloons> Letozaf_, have you messed with rss reader lately?
[20:17] <balloons> doug5, something is definitely off with the calendar tests in your mp. not sure if you saw my messages about trying them out
[20:17] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes, but there is still something to fix, tests fail, but not always
[20:17] <Letozaf_> balloons, trying to figure out what's wrong
[20:18] <balloons> Letozaf_, if the tests sometimes fail, feel free to disable them for now if you can' t otherwise fix them.
[20:18] <balloons> Having 3 solid tests is better than 6 buggy ones :-)
[20:18] <Letozaf_> balloons, the strange thing is that if you run them alone, one test at a time they work but together they fail
[20:19] <balloons> Letozaf_, ohh we had that issues before
[20:19] <balloons> is it not cleaning up properly?
[20:19] <Letozaf_> balloons, no I don't think it's that, but maybe I am wrong
[20:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, looks like its network activity indicator
[20:20] <Letozaf_> balloons, sometimes it does not wait for it to stop running
[20:25] <balloons> Letozaf_, weird
[20:30] <TheLordOfTime> greetings!
[20:31] <TheLordOfTime> balloons, i don't have to introduce myself to the -quality mailing list until after bugsquad/qa merger is approved, right?  (i just lurk the list for now)
[20:31] <TheLordOfTime> (with the occasional comment)
[20:31] <doug5> balloons, yeah, I saw it
[20:31] <doug5> doug5, what's the status on it?
[20:31] <balloons> TheLordOfTime, lol.. you can intro yourself whenever
[20:32] <TheLordOfTime> balloons, heh, i have to take time to write an intro post though, little bit busy beating openssl into submission today
[20:32] <TheLordOfTime> was a little bit busy*
[20:32] <balloons> doug5, well I haven't had time as of yet to dig back into it as the whole got kind of big :-) I'm working on some easier to fix things atm
[20:33] <TheLordOfTime> balloons, what basically needs to be in an intro email, or rather, what would you prefer to see in an intro email?  :)
[20:34] <balloons> TheLordOfTime, just say hello to everyone, talk about what you do, what your interests are, etc
[20:35] <balloons> it's meant to let others now a little about you and what you do or intend to do in ubuntu quality
[20:35] <balloons> helps people get connected, etc ;-)
[20:35] <TheLordOfTime> I see :)
[20:35] <TheLordOfTime> i'll have to write something up...
[20:35] <TheLordOfTime> ... after fixing more problems on my servers >.<
[20:35] <TheLordOfTime> fix one, another ten happen >.>
[20:36] <doug5> balloons, ok, are the ap1.4 fixes already on trunk?
[20:36] <balloons> doug5, yes everything is ap 1.4 now
[20:36] <balloons> I see the new event test is failing, otherwise seems ok
[20:37] <doug5> balloons, ok
[20:40] <doug5> balloons, I should finally have some free time next days, I will look at it :)
[20:41] <balloons> doug5, excellent, thank you. It's definitely confusing
[20:41] <balloons> I trust digging in will reveal the piece we're missing
[20:41] <balloons> TheLordOfTime, interesting how that works eh? it's like the finger in the dam
[20:41] <TheLordOfTime> balloons, yeah, really.
[20:41] <balloons> eventually you run out of fingers, hah
[20:42] <TheLordOfTime> balloons, eventually I just say "screw it" and reinstall the OS after backing up critical data
[20:42] <TheLordOfTime> then everything works again xD
[20:45] <TheLordOfTime> balloons, i see we have the Bug Triager role listed on the QATeam/Roles pages... (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Roles/BugTriager)
[20:45] <TheLordOfTime> nice.
[20:49] <Letozaf_> balloons, balloons can you run the tests and see what happens ? I will push them for you
[20:49] <Letozaf_> balloons, on the device the toolbar  does not open while on the desktop now the tests work fine
[20:51] <balloons> Letozaf_, yes, tell me the branch and I can run on device
[20:51] <Letozaf_> balloons, lp:~carla-sella/ubuntu-rssreader-app/all-tests-fixed
[20:52] <balloons> k, grabbing
[20:52] <Letozaf_> balloons, great
[20:54] <balloons> I got 3 errors
[20:54] <balloons> does the merge bot run them all ok?
[20:55] <Letozaf_> balloons, I did not propose for merge this branch
[20:55] <Letozaf_> balloons, I can now if you want
[20:55] <balloons> sure go for it
[20:55] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok
[20:56] <balloons> Letozaf_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/6412665/
[20:56] <balloons> all three are list index out of ranges.. should be easy to fix those
[20:57] <Letozaf_> balloons, its for the action popover, just before that there is the activity indicator running, to me it looks like the test
[20:58] <Letozaf_> balloons, does not wait for the activity indicator to stop running so the action popover is not "detected" correclty
[20:58] <balloons> Letozaf_,  my guess is that your first select comes up blank, so there is a null object
[20:58] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes
[20:58] <balloons> Letozaf_, ahh. indeed it may never get past that point, heh, but I meant to solve the list index issues :-)
[21:00] <Letozaf_> balloons, I think that the index issue is due to the activity indicator that has not finished running so the action popover is null
[21:00] <Letozaf_> balloons, hence the index issue
[21:00] <balloons> Letozaf_, ahh can you check to ensure the activity indicator is gone first?
[21:01] <Letozaf_> balloons, tried to use a select_many_retry in the emulator.py but does not work all the same
[21:01] <Letozaf_> balloons, the test just carries on even if the activity indicator has not stopped running
[21:01] <balloons> i'll have to look at the code, but at one poin there was an assert for the activity indicator to disappear
[21:02] <balloons> menaing it would check to see if it existed and wait for it to be gone before going on
[21:02] <Letozaf_> balloons, yes at line 31
[21:02] <balloons> Letozaf_, I think this might work in this case: http://unity.ubuntu.com/autopilot/_modules/autopilot/introspection/dbus.html#DBusIntrospectionObject.wait_until_destroyed
[21:03] <balloons> maybe not, but..
[21:03] <Letozaf_> balloons, nice I must try this did not know of it :P
[21:03] <balloons> yea, give it a try
[21:03] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok
[21:39] <balloons> elopio, when do you expect this to land? https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-swipe_to_delete/+merge/194544
[21:39] <balloons> I think I'm just waiting on that and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1245651 :-)
[21:40] <elopio> balloons: they said tomorrow the jenkins services will start to work
[21:40] <balloons> ohh right.. ok, you just need jenkins for that too
[21:40] <balloons> Letozaf_, how's it going?
[21:41] <balloons> I can take a deeper look now, I'm freed up
[21:41] <elopio> balloons: I hope friday, tops. Otherwise I'm going to collapse with the stack of branches I have in queue.
[21:41] <Letozaf_> balloons, looks like it's working, just a minute until the test ends
[21:41] <balloons> Letozaf_, hurray!
[21:42] <balloons> so you have more commits to push?
[21:42] <balloons> slickymaster, howdy!
[21:43] <Letozaf_> balloons, :P had just one failure now :P instead of three
[21:43] <balloons> closer, closer :-)
[21:44] <slickymaster> hi balloons, how are you<'
[21:46] <balloons> slickymaster, I'm doing well, how about yourself?
[21:47] <Letozaf_> balloons, can you run the tests please, now I got two failures, without touching the code :(
[21:47] <Letozaf_> balloons, lp:~carla-sella/ubuntu-rssreader-app/all-tests-fixed
[21:47] <Letozaf_> balloons, if you got time
[21:47] <balloons> Letozaf_, sure.. I'll do one better and have a look
[21:47] <balloons> I'd like to get this landed too
[21:47] <slickymaster> balloons, fine, thanks. Keeping my self busy with the Xubuntu team
[21:47] <Letozaf_> balloons, I would also like too :P
[21:48] <balloons> slickymaster, elfy's not giving you any trouble is he?
[21:48] <balloons> CC election voting ends today btw
[21:48] <knome> balloons, he ain't, i am
[21:48] <knome> :P
[21:48] <slickymaster> balloons, Nops :) if anything it would be the other way around
[21:51] <slickymaster> balloons, knome it's kinda of working for the man ;)
[21:52] <knome> huh? the man islands? ;P
[21:52] <slickymaster> LOL
[21:53] <balloons> lol
[21:53]  * balloons was voting
[21:53] <balloons> since I remembered wanted to make sure I got my vote in :-)
[21:59] <knome> wait, you want your vote in even if you can't vote me?
[22:07] <balloons> knome, I'm sad.. but your name isn't on the ballet?
[22:08] <knome> nope
[22:08] <knome> not this time at least
[22:09] <Letozaf_> balloons, it's late for me, should I propose a merge so you can take a look at it when you got time ?
[22:10] <balloons> yes, push it up to your mp
[22:10] <balloons> I'll keep on it
[22:10] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok done
[22:10] <balloons> perfect.. ciao Letozaf_
[22:10] <balloons> thanks!
[22:11] <Letozaf_> balloons, thank you ! see you tomorrow
[22:11] <Letozaf_> balloons, buona notte !
[22:11] <balloons> buona notte :-)
[23:36] <forestpiskie> balloons: I see you thinking I'm trouble ;)


[14:52] <becks`> hi, trying to install Ubuntu Server 2004 2 on a HP Z2 Mini G5 Workstation... getting these ACPI errors and the console GUI is not readable. somebody knows how to fix this? https://i.imgur.com/ESkBH74.png


[01:35] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
[01:35] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)
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[01:46] <LjL> !staff | spammers keep joining #ubuntu-unregged (since #ubuntu is +r)
[01:46] <ubotu> spammers keep joining #ubuntu-unregged (since #ubuntu is +r): Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
[03:05] <ubotu> bazhang called the ops in #ubuntu (hoodieanon)
[04:29] <Pici> Well.. I applied for membership.  They probably wont get to me since I did it late and its tomorrow, but it would mean a lot to me if one or some of you could cheer me on/vouch for me.
[04:33] <Hobbsee> yay, Pici!
[04:33] <Hobbsee> there's a CC meeting tomorrow?
[04:33] <Pici> Hobbsee: I meant cheer me on at the meeting :p
[04:34] <nickrud> Pici not a member, but I'll be there to cheer
[04:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:34] <Pici> Yeah, it was announced today.
[04:34] <Hobbsee> nice of them to actually email those involved, and tell us.
[04:35] <mneptok> details, details.
[04:36] <Hobbsee> yeah, i know.
[04:36] <Hobbsee> nice of them to check if we could be there, too
[04:37] <nickrud> the guy palatine has already said he can't
[04:37] <Hobbsee> oh nice.
[04:37] <mneptok> council people don't *have* lives outside Ubuntu. and if they do, i'm pretty sure it's against the CoC
[04:37] <Hobbsee> mneptok: i'm not on their council.
[04:37] <Hobbsee> nickrud: then i shouldn't be needed at the meeting
[04:39] <nickrud> gonna be a dull meeting without you then
[04:45] <Hobbsee> hah
[04:45] <Hobbsee> well, it means that the CC won't care about hte irc council stuff, so none of us should need to be there
[04:45] <Hobbsee> should be just memberships
[07:27] <Hobbsee> [16:19] <elemjay> Latest Google Tech Talk on the future of Linux: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A6ImflixL8
[07:28] <Hobbsee> seems to be spamming
[08:30] <ubotu> stdin called the ops in #ubuntu (stintage)
[08:30] <ubotu> unop called the ops in #ubuntu (stintage)
[09:22] <Myrtti> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flCvt1LdQUg AWWWWWWW
[09:25] <Myrtti> woops
[09:25] <Myrtti> :-D
[09:56] <jpatrick> damn all that "Update of "CommunityCouncil/..."" email flood..
[09:56] <ompaul> jpatrick, that is not a flood
[09:57] <jpatrick> ompaul: 'tis when it fills up me mail
[09:57] <ompaul> jpatrick, what you got an 80k mailbox ;-)
[09:57]  * ompaul runs
[09:58] <jpatrick> no, long live disconnected IMAP
[09:58] <Seeker`> jpatrick: where?
[09:58] <jpatrick> Seeker`: where what?
[09:59] <Seeker`> You mean update notifications for the wiki?
[09:59] <jpatrick> yeah
[10:02] <Amaranth> aww, no flamewar today
[10:02] <Amaranth> heh, paladine wants the meeting to be rescheduled
[10:03] <Amaranth> sure, we'll just ignore the 20 or so people on the list for membership and make them wait for you
[10:03] <elkbuntu> fair enough though
[10:03] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, the 20 or so people probably wont be able to make it anyway
[10:03] <Myrtti> who thought there wouldn't be complaints about the schedule? really?
[10:03]  * Amaranth raises his hand
[10:04] <Myrtti> :-o
[10:04] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, remind me again of the cutoff before meeting for changes to the agenda....
[10:05] <Amaranth> I don't know anything about that stuff
[10:05] <Amaranth> I just show up to interesting meetings
[10:07] <nalioth> sacrifices need be made
[10:07] <Myrtti> /me shuts up because it's not her business
[10:08] <nalioth> if you put yourself on a TBA time/date meeting schedule, you need to be aware you might be missing sleep or work to make it
[10:08] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, the council get peeved when people add items to the agenda <24hrs before the meeting. did setting the time of the meeting occur less than or more than that figure this time?
[10:09] <Seeker`> elkbuntu: The cutoff was about 5 hours before they announced the meeting?
[10:09] <elkbuntu> nalioth, and if others put us on it?
[10:09] <elkbuntu> Seeker`, bingo.
[10:09] <elkbuntu> since setting the time of a meeting is a change to the agenda...
[10:09]  * Seeker` added an agenda item after the 24 hour cutoff :O
[10:10] <ompaul> Seeker`, well it was about time someone did that meeting item
[10:10] <elkbuntu> agreed
[10:11] <nalioth> but paladine sat his hobby horse on the path weeks ago
[10:11] <Myrtti> oh, my boss is going to apply for a membership
[10:11] <Myrtti> woo for him
[10:11] <ompaul> Seeker`, check your pm
[10:11] <Myrtti> I guess I should too
[10:12] <elkbuntu> nalioth, how on earth does that validate a meeting that nobody, including paladine who got in weeks ago, can make
[10:12] <Myrtti> well, my team boss
[10:12] <elkbuntu> nalioth, had he waited for the meeting announcement... he wouldnt have been able to add it anyway since it'd be past the 24hr cuttoff
[10:13] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, ooh, who's you're boss?
[10:13] <Myrtti> Mirv
[10:13] <Myrtti> he's the head of the Finnish LoCo
[10:14] <elkbuntu> oh nice
[10:14] <Myrtti> also the pr person of Finnish Wikipedia and what not
[10:14] <Myrtti> gnome localization head
[10:14] <nalioth> elkbuntu: to my knowledge, quite a few of the meetings past have had their meeting times announced 24h in advance
[10:14] <Myrtti> great person
[10:15] <elkbuntu> nalioth, and this makes it right how?
[10:15] <Amaranth> @schedule Chicago
[10:15] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Chicago: 15 Apr 06:00: Community Council | 16 Apr 16:00: Server Team | 23 Apr 16:00: Server Team | 30 Apr 16:00: Server Team
[10:15] <Myrtti> elkbuntu +1
[10:15] <elkbuntu> thats like saying i can go commit $crime, because $crime has been done before.
[10:16] <Daviey> It wouldn't suprise me if the CC are calling it earlier than they wanted to as the situation is getting out of hand
[10:16] <elkbuntu> that's like a someone deciding to spam our channels, because they've seen spam in our channels before
[10:17] <Amaranth> elkbuntu: no, it'd be the same person spamming the channels because he got away with it before
[10:17] <elkbuntu> Daviey, if the situation is getting out of hand, they'd try their best to make it possible for an actual resolve
[10:17] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, ah yes, thanks.
[10:18] <Daviey> elkbuntu: i think that is what they are doing...
[10:18] <nalioth> elkbuntu: i was not saying it was right or wrong
[10:18] <elkbuntu> Daviey, then they're Doing It Wrong.
[10:18] <Daviey> elkbuntu: and blogging about it helped?
[10:18] <nalioth> elkbuntu: i was saying that if you're going to put your place on a meeting schedule where the date/time has not been announced, you _should_ expect to jump if necessary
[10:18] <elkbuntu> Daviey, blogging about it helped relieve some of my pent up stress.
[10:18] <Daviey> elkbuntu: blogging about it just exasperated the problem
[10:19] <elkbuntu> Daviey, no, it didnt actually.
[10:19] <Seeker`> ompaul: check your PM
[10:19] <Mez> @schedule
[10:19] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 15 Apr 11:00: Community Council | 16 Apr 21:00: Server Team | 23 Apr 21:00: Server Team | 30 Apr 21:00: Server Team
[10:19] <Mez> @schedule London
[10:19] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/London: 15 Apr 12:00: Community Council | 16 Apr 22:00: Server Team | 23 Apr 22:00: Server Team | 30 Apr 22:00: Server Team
[10:21] <jpatrick> hi Mez
[10:21] <Mez> hey jpatrick
[10:21] <Amaranth> lunchtime in the UK, seems like a sane time to have the meeting considering who is supposed to be involved
[10:22] <Seeker`> what mailing list are CC meetings announced on?
[10:23] <jpatrick> Seeker`: on the wiki
[10:23] <Seeker`> Amaranth: Sadly Paladine cant make it because he has been invited to rant about privacy etc. in London
[10:23] <Amaranth> surely even privacy kooks get lunchtime
[10:23] <Seeker`> jpatrick: So it isn't possible to find out when previous meetings are announced?
[10:24] <Myrtti> ....
[10:24] <elkbuntu> they spend it whinging to each other
[10:24] <elkbuntu> Seeker`, sure it is. revision history
[10:24] <Seeker`> The revision history only goes back to January
[10:25] <elkbuntu> well that's lame
[10:25] <Amaranth> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/CC
[10:25] <Amaranth> logs show you when the meeting were
[10:25] <Seeker`> Amaranth: I;m trying to find out how much notice there was
[10:25] <Amaranth> ah, you're screwed :P
[10:27] <Seeker`> Amaranth: It would appear so
[10:27] <elkbuntu> find someone who's subscribed
[10:28] <mc44> ah, remember when CC meetings were every two weeks. Those were the days
[10:29] <jpatrick> Seeker`: well, I got a ton of emails after the date placement..
[10:29] <Seeker`> jpatrick: do you still have the emails from previous meetings?
[10:29] <jpatrick> Seeker`: no
[10:56] <jpatrick> "< ~aLone> hy, i need bugs, if u have, pm me, thx friend" - he appears to be repeating that in several channels (#u, and #freenode by what I can see) and his /whois is...
[10:57] <jpatrick> hmm, did #kde too
[11:42] <Mez> who's Paladine?
[11:42] <Mez> I've never heard of that guy
[11:42] <Seeker`> Mez: A guy from -uk
[11:42]  * Mez still has never heard of him
[11:42] <jpatrick> bloody Brits
[11:42] <Seeker`> Surely you must have seen him ranting there over the past few months
[11:42] <jpatrick> err, wait
[11:42] <Mez> Seeker`, no... not at all.
[11:43] <Seeker`> Mez: Wrote a 3 page essay on the HMRC child benifit data loss every time someone mentioned the government
[11:43] <Seeker`> for about 3 months after it happened
[11:44] <Seeker`> jpatrick: :P
[11:44] <Mez> Seeker`, lol - I havent seen it
[11:44]  * jpatrick waves to Seeker`
[11:44] <Mez> and jpatrick do you count yourself as a brit ?
[11:44]  * Seeker` facedesks
[11:44] <Mez> Pici, good luck for membership
[11:44] <jpatrick> Mez: it was sarcastic :)
[11:45] <Mez> jpatrick, I thought you lived in ireland?
[11:45] <ompaul> Mez, he most certainly does not
[11:45] <ompaul> see what thought did ;-)
[11:45]  * Mez is confused then
[11:45]  * ompaul runs
[11:45] <Seeker`> jpatrick: whereabouts do you live?
[11:45] <ompaul> as now
[11:45]  * Mez trips ompaul over
[11:45]  * ompaul falls upright
[11:49] <ikonia> ompaul: hello
[11:49] <ikonia> ompaul: sorry I missed you last night
[11:50] <ompaul> ikonia, np
[11:50] <ikonia> got home later than expected
[11:51] <Mez> well, jpatrick is in ontario atm
[11:53] <jpatrick> yep, virtually
[11:57] <Mez> but where do you come from jpatrick ?
[11:57] <jpatrick> Mez: south-east London, Blackheath, near Greenwich
[11:57] <Mez> I coulda sworn you said Ireland
[11:58] <jpatrick> Mez: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackheath,_London
[11:59] <Mez> I know where it is :P
[12:09] <PriceChild> an interesting start...
[12:10] <jpatrick> what? all the members of staff /join'ing?
[12:10]  * jpatrick hides
[12:11] <PriceChild> I was referring to the no membership applications.
[12:18] <Pici> hrm.
[12:20] <nickrud> I got up for nothing then
[12:22] <jpatrick> nickrud: I think they're on it now
[12:22] <Pici> No, they're discussing delegating membership applciations to regional councils.
[12:27] <Pici> I guess this means that I can go get some breakfast this morning.
[12:29] <nickrud> rah rah Pici (said I would cheer)
[12:29] <Pici> nickrud: Thanks ;D
[13:06] <Mez> does CC no longer approve members?
[13:07] <Pici> Appears that way.
[13:07] <PriceChild> Its been the plan for months and months.
[13:08]  * nickrud suggests that Pici suck up to PriceChild
[13:08] <Pici> nickrud: I'm not in Europe
[13:08] <nickrud> oh, then no point in it ;)
[13:08] <ompaul> Pici, nothing like a bit of misguided sucking up
[13:09] <PriceChild> I think the point is having groups around the world for different timezones... No idea of the rules, but would think it a bit odd if you weren't allowed to come to a european one if the time suited you better.
[13:20] <ubotu> murlidhar called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[13:22] <elkbuntu> Mez, if it's at all possible could you please not send people trying to pick up to -ot without explaining they cant pick up in there either
[13:22] <nickrud> lol
[13:22] <Mez> elkbuntu, didnt think about that ;)
[13:24] <elkbuntu> Mez, generally if someone is trollish, letting them know about -ot only doubles our workload :(
[13:28] <elkbuntu> anyway, nite, behave
[13:46] <Hobbsee> nalioth: you're lucky you're in such a job where you *can* move stuff around to get to meetings announced at the drop of a hat.
[13:47]  * Mez hugs Hobbsee
[13:47] <nalioth> sometimes i have to meet from my vehicle
[13:48] <Hobbsee> some of us don't even have the *internet* from our workplaces, let alone irc.
[13:48] <nickrud> stone ages
[13:49] <Hobbsee>  yeah well.
[13:49] <Hobbsee> one of our ladies is going to throw another hissy fit soon, at actually having to use a computer with a mouse.
[13:50] <Hobbsee> it's amusing.  at least she didn't hit us for laughing at her last time
[13:50] <Pici> That sounds all too familiar.
[13:51] <Hobbsee> what's amusing is that she's fine with the computers we normally use, which have a touchscreen.
[13:51] <Hobbsee> it's the mouse that she actually has trouble with
[13:51] <nickrud> must be too abstract, move hand->arrow moves
[13:51] <Pici> We had the same problem here when we went from green screen terminals to real computers with terminal emulation software on them.
[13:51] <Hobbsee> nickrud: something like that, yeah.
[13:52] <Hobbsee> nickrud: i'm not exactly sure what it is
[13:52] <nickrud> could simply be she has motor skills issues, hand to eye coordination
[13:52]  * Hobbsee has been slowly instructing them that killing the power to the UPS, then turning it back on again is *not* a good way to reboot the machines.
[13:52] <Hobbsee> she doesn't usually
[13:53]  * nickrud thinks about going back to bed, getting another hour of sleep before work
[14:21] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-irc, yann2 said: uBOTu-fr  is not under our control and I wouldn't feel cumfortable with it having a cloak...
[14:21] <Pici> handled.
[14:36] <ikonia> ["Press ALT+F4 to kick a random user..."]
[14:36] <ikonia> best part message I've seen in ages
[14:37] <PriceChild> I remember that was in the #ubuntu-offtopic topic a year or so ago.
[14:38] <ikonia> actually made me laugh
[14:38] <ikonia> it is a good one
[14:39] <ompaul> except it bought a ban for the random user who used it as a quit message, iirc
[14:39] <ikonia> flood bot is getting annoying now
[14:39] <ikonia> two lines of text and it complaing
[14:39] <ompaul> na count back and look at your total in 10 seconds
[14:40]  * ompaul wonders if LjL is around
[14:40] <LjL> yes, mom
[14:40] <LjL> ent
[14:40]  * ompaul has a suggestive mod for that ;-)
[14:40] <ompaul> hahaha
[14:40] <Myrtti> <3
[14:40] <ikonia> ah so it works off lines in 10 seconds
[14:40] <LjL> yes, the thing here is that you posted two consecutive lines, then another two before 10 seconds had passed after the first two
[14:40] <ikonia> rather than continues lines
[14:40] <LjL> no, not exactly
[14:41] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[14:42] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[14:44] <Pici> LjL: All the member applications were deferred for the regional teams to deal with. So I guess that posting my application really late wasn't so bad after all.
[14:48] <LjL> Pici: i'm aware
[14:48] <Pici> LjL: Now you're aware again.
[17:02]  * Mez growls at spb. You just turn up everywhere and type "fail" :(
[17:03] <Mez> (usually at me!)
[17:03] <spb> fail
[17:03] <Mez> see! :(
[17:03]  * Mez runs and hides
[18:40] <Seveas> Mez, you fail
[19:27] <ompaul> sudo apt-get install Mez --- fail
[19:28] <ompaul> Mez, you should never ever have said that ;-)
[19:28] <Mez> ?
[19:28] <ompaul>  You just turn up everywhere and type "fail" :(
[19:28] <ompaul> Mez, it can't have scrolled off your window yet?
[19:29] <Mez> at home
[19:29] <ompaul> ajj
[19:29] <ompaul> ahh
[19:29] <Mez> the rest was at work
[19:29] <ompaul> even
[19:29] <ompaul> ack
[19:29] <jussi01> Mez: I have the perfect factoid for you on my bot...
[19:29] <ompaul> ohh ohhh
[19:29] <jussi01> Mez: join #dib5sn if you care to see...
[19:29] <ompaul> jussi01, dare we ask
[19:29] <ompaul> dare we join
[19:30] <Seeker`> !Mez
[19:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mez - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:30] <Seeker`> !Mez is fail
[19:30] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, Seeker` said: !Mez is fail
[19:30]  * ompaul looks at Seeker`
[19:31] <Seeker`> what?
[19:31] <ompaul> na I won't add that but I think jussi01 has a great factoid
[19:31] <jussi01> :P
[19:31] <Seeker`> hmm, website spam in -meeting
[19:31] <Seeker`> but the guy left
[19:32] <Seeker`> might be worth a ban though, looking at the host
[19:32] <jussi01> Seeker`: by which nick?
[19:32] <ompaul> Seeker`, very few have access to that
[19:32] <Seeker`> -19:30:57- ~s~ uyriry686 ><EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-meeting
[19:32] <ompaul> Seveas, ^^^
[19:32] <Seeker`> -19:30:59- :uyriry686 : www.HOTTIES4FREE.tk XXX BRUNETTES
[19:32] <Seeker`> -19:31:14- ~s~ uyriry686 <<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu-meeting []
[19:33] <ompaul> Gary, PriceChild nalioth ^^
[19:33] <jussi01> Seeker`: i banned that guy in #u a few moments ago
[19:33] <jdong> aww the website lied.
[19:33] <jdong> they're blondes.
[19:33] <Myrtti> /me smacks jdong
[19:33] <Seeker`> jdong: :'(
[19:33] <Myrtti> /me smacks Seeker` too
[19:33] <jdong> lol ;-)
[19:33] <Seeker`> Myrtti: What is that for?
[19:33] <jdong> oh did I pick the wrong hair color?
[19:34] <jdong> well have my word it was completely arbitrary ;-)
[19:34] <Seeker`> There isn't anything wrong with blondes, its just that we were promised Brunettes
[19:34] <Myrtti> you keep on thinking about that while I load my emp cannon
[19:34] <Seeker`> (did I dig myself out of that hole?)
[19:34] <jdong> Seeker`: lol I think we're both in over our heads
[19:35] <jdong> well as the American, I've got to point out there's bottles of chemicals that fix this problem ;-)
[19:36] <jussi01> anyway, im off ofr a bit, catch you all later... Myrtti I expect to come back to the charred remains of Seeker` and jdong
[19:36] <Seeker`> :(
[19:36] <Myrtti> you keep on beating the dead horse and you'll find yourself covered in maggots sooner or later
[19:36] <jdong> as my death wish..... take over backports.... :D
[19:38]  * Pici wonders what ammo the emp cannon actually has
[19:38] <Pici> Not wondering too hard, mind you.
[19:38] <Seeker`> well, emp = electro-magnetic pulse, so I'm guessing a big battery or something similar
[19:39] <jdong> capacitor.
[19:39] <jdong> at least I'd recommend using one
[19:39] <jdong> I've built a mild version out of a car battery though
[19:39] <jdong> it at least worked on RFID security badges
[19:39] <jdong> (which doesn't say much)
[19:40] <jdong> (I also don't recommend shorting 1000 cold cranking amp car batteries mind you...)
[19:40] <Myrtti> which reminds me that I should order a new battery for my phone
[19:52] <tonyyarusso> I want an emp cannon...
[19:53] <tonyyarusso> Preferably one that could disable the computer running the fuel injection on cars, so when idiot drivers try to kill me I could take them off the road.
[20:06] <jdong> tonyyarusso: they're making those :(
[20:06] <jdong> tonyyarusso: 1000kW microwave waveguide thing
[20:06] <tonyyarusso> jdong: WIll it be small enough to mount on my bike?
[20:06] <jdong> tonyyarusso: it doesn't fit on a lincoln towncar currently
[20:06] <jdong> so umm... work in progress
[20:07] <tonyyarusso> bah
[20:10] <Gary> anyone else get pm'd a : by funda_aciyoooo from #ubutnu
[20:10] <Gary> erm, #Ubuntu even
[20:11] <Pici> nope
[20:12] <tonyyarusso> no
[20:12] <Gary> oki, i'm special then
[20:13] <Mez> Gary, spe-shal
[20:13] <Gary> duuuur
[20:13] <Mez> :P
[20:14] <Gary> anyways, be aware it might be a bot, /whois looks dubious
[20:18] <Gary> also <sevdaa911> Evde Tek Basýmayým Bana Arkadaþ Olmak Ýstiyorsan EEE@@eeklee eda1478@
[20:18] <Gary> they be picking on me tonight
[20:22] <Seeker`> Gary: I got that too
[20:33] <Pici> I need to run to a meeting, but could someone keep an eye on killAnig in #u, I have a feeling he will be trouble, I already warned and removed him once.
[20:38] <ompaul> Gary, <sevdaa911> Evde Tek Basýmayým Bana Arkadaþ Olmak Ýstiyorsan EEE€€eeklee eda1478@
[20:38] <ompaul> gary you see the lag between you and me ;-)
[20:38] <Gary> you got more EEEE's than me, meh
[20:38] <Myrtti> /me peeks
[20:39] <ompaul> gary please request the k train for that person ;-)
[20:39] <Gary> it's so far a channel tissue :p
[20:40] <ompaul> rioght so
[20:40] <Gary> I can sort it if you likey
[20:40] <Gary> let me at em?
[20:40] <Seeker`> at what point does it become a staff issue?
[20:40] <ompaul> well that person is not in #ubuntu
[20:40] <ompaul>  / bot
[20:40] <ompaul> and was not at the time of the message
[20:41] <Gary> they were, and are not now, note the leave message :p
[20:41] <ompaul> thank you
[20:41] <Gary> 20:40 -!- sevdaa911<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit [K-lined]
[20:41] <ompaul> I noted
[20:41] <Myrtti> what's that tor/regular/sid hostmask?
[20:42] <Seeker`> <IP_ADDRESS>.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer dsl85-102-33138.ttnet.net.tr.
[20:43] <ompaul> Seeker`, dns fits a stereo type again
[20:43] <Seeker`> oh?
[20:45] <Seeker`> ompaul: ?
[20:46] <ompaul> Seeker`,  turkish spam as opposed to a turkish spa
[20:54] <Myrtti> I don't totally understand http://ubuntuultimateedition.blogspot.com/ what this link is, but whoever pasted it on #ubuntu, I removed
[20:54] <Myrtti> seems like a spam to me
[20:55] <ompaul> Myrtti, I think you are right
[20:55] <Myrtti> referral junk I believe
[20:55] <Myrtti> as it is
[20:56] <tpw_rules> may i please be tested
[20:56] <ompaul> tpw_rules, how can we help you?
[20:59] <tpw_rules> i got a pm from that ompaul
[21:00] <ompaul> you would you asked for a test
[21:00] <tpw_rules> ah
[21:00] <tpw_rules> still rejects me :(
[21:01] <ompaul> tpw_rules, you are free to access the channel - it takes a while longer when I am at the controls ;-)
[21:01] <tpw_rules> thanks
[21:01] <ompaul> you are free to access that channel please leave here and -read-topic also thank you  ;-)
[21:16] <ompaul> what is the protocol if you see one of the floodbots being stupid - you know it is just out of sync do you remove it from the channel and let it come back itself?
[21:17] <Seveas> no
[21:22] <Mez> PriceChild, LjL nalioth elkbuntu you have mail
[21:23]  * nalioth usually does
[21:23]  * Mez would appreciate any input before he mails that to the list
[21:25] <Myrtti> hm, helping people in #ubuntu is actually quite relaxing
[21:25] <Myrtti> I've forgotten that
[21:27] <Mez> Myrtti, hehe - yeah... I try it in #freenode and #phpc to get rid of the headaches
[21:27]  * Seeker` wonders what Mez is plotting :P
[21:27] <Seeker`> it is dangerous if Mez has been thinking
[21:27] <Mez> Seeker`, same as everyday - taking over the world
[21:28] <Mez> Seeker`, and not always dangerous in a good way
[21:28]  * Seeker` hums, "pinky and the brain brain brain brain"
[21:28]  * Mez wonder who the brain is
[21:29] <Mez> cause it aint me
[21:29] <Seeker`> ME!
[21:35] <Myrtti> [23:31] < baner> http://ircx.forum0.info/ <-- Free download games - programs -  hack tools - music - tutorials nice stay :)
[21:59] <Seveas> <-- melani9<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu (requested by Seveas)
[21:59] <Seveas> !staff | spammer
[21:59] <ubotu> spammer: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel or Gary,  I could use a bit of your time :)
 www.HOTTIES4FREE.tk the best site for hotties and brunettis
[22:07] <nalioth> klined, Seveas
[22:42] <maxamillion> be on the lookout for a user named djzn, he was just trolling around in #fedora and claimed he was on his way to #ubuntu
[22:48] <maxamillion> can someone unban lunitik from #ubuntu please? ... thank you :)
[22:49]  * jrib wonders who lunitik is
[22:52] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[22:54] <Seeker`> it seems to be a ban that is set by chanserv
[22:57] <ompaul> Seeker`, the answer is no iirc
[22:57] <Seeker`> ompaul: why?
[22:58] <ompaul> long time ago
[22:58] <LjL> 2005
[22:58] <LjL> at least
[22:59] <ompaul> and still valid if I remember rightly
[23:00] <Seeker`> what did they do?
[23:01] <ompaul> can't remember but I do know this - when I saw the nick I went noooooo
[23:06] <LjL> [23:56] <Seveas> logs would show the details if need be, I just remember him as never getting back in any channel where I'm op :)
[23:06] <LjL> [23:57] <Seveas> ompaul, isn't that ban from before this channel existed?
[23:06] <LjL> [23:58] <nalioth> not too many of those folks  :)
[23:06] <LjL> [23:58] <ompaul> bottom line that party is up there with one or two others
[23:06] <LjL> [00:05] <Seveas> i'd say broken_ladder, lunitik, nzk, syf and slak
[23:08] <ompaul> LjL, hehe
[23:09] <ompaul> Seeker`, they are special - trolls of a boarder line type that cost energy to understand
[23:09] <Seeker`> fair enough
[23:10] <ompaul> when you do see them for what they are then they end up on perm ban lists - if you see anyone getting dumped by chanserv understand that they are not best liked
[23:10] <Seeker`> 3:O
[23:11] <Seeker`> that 3 wasn't meant to be there. But it looks good anyway.
[23:23] <mneptok> son, you got a panty on your head.
[23:24] <mneptok> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOrDN21yoGk
[23:36] <ompaul> night


[01:21] <Darkwing-laptop> schultmc, schultmc_ ping?
[02:30] <schultmc> Darkwing-laptop: pong - responded on list - welcome!
[02:32] <Darkwing-laptop> Thanks. I fly in on August 3rd.
[02:33] <Darkwing-laptop> Just wondering, what is the status of the loco?
[02:33] <Darkwing-laptop> schultmc: just read the email.
[02:34] <Darkwing-laptop> schultmc: I've been deeply involved for so long, I would love to see what I can do.
[02:35] <schultmc> the loco's basically dormant
[02:35] <Darkwing-laptop> Okay.
[02:35] <schultmc> i'd love to see it be more active but don't have as much time as I've had in the past
[02:36] <Darkwing-laptop> Yeah, I understand. I'll be going to school at Indiana Tech so, I'll have time to help out where I can.
[02:36] <schultmc> cool


[04:14] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:08] <lordievader> Good morning
[13:10] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:16] <lordievader> Hey BluesKaj
[13:16] <lordievader> How are you?
[13:17] <BluesKaj> Hi lordievader, fine here, and you?
[13:18] <lordievader> Doing good here too, trying to unify my latex document into one font.
[13:35] <donofrio> anyone here running ubuntu inside windpws 10 with wsl?
[13:36] <oerheks> Not me donofrio , there is a dedicated channel too  #ubuntu-on-windows
[14:11] <donofrio> this one has 54 folks, that other channel has 12
[15:08] <nicomachus> donofrio: well this isn't a support channel
[15:12] <oerheks> I'd like to discuss the bash on win, but i have only info that is published lately,.. some even drive a desktop on it
[15:16] <nacc> oerheks: that'd be the WSL (which is distinct, aiui, from bash on windows)
[15:19] <oerheks> oh .. see,i knew there was something behind that
[15:19] <nacc> oerheks: that's my recollection, they were two different things
[15:19] <nacc> iirc, the bash thing is basically reimplementing a posix shell but in powershell
[15:19] <nacc> it's not quite bash, it's not quite windows :)
[15:20] <nacc> and it's not actually posix, as windows isn't posix, so there are some semantics you can't implement correctly
[15:20] <oerheks> I see, still it meets the minimum specs by design, as it is out of beta
[15:25] <nacc> oerheks: yeah, it's confusing -- I really don't use either, but iirc, bash on windows was an ubuntu-specific thing
[15:25] <nacc> oerheks: WSL has multiple linux images
[15:25] <nacc> but they aren't really images, they are more like tarballs (I think)
[15:27] <nacc> oerheks: but also, as far as the faq goes, it's still not supported by the public channel, i think
[15:28] <donofrio> my "Daily Driver" looks like https://1drv.ms/f/s!AsBlZbBf72iNmuEWch93phCzZB8s6A
[15:33] <nacc> I mean without virt., there are simply some things that can't be the same under the covers between WSL and just L, I'd think
[15:47] <donofrio> I don't think VM;s are the way to go, I mean I used to run three linux mint desktops joined with synergy and it worked great for four plus years then about a year ago or so the desktop folks would drop over or email things like yah nice desktops you have there can you rename them to blah and we need them to do ddns I figured that was when I needed to run core image corp and cygwin after that they stopped something around me...
[15:47] <donofrio> but I had to go down to two desktop's and only four monitors....it was glorious... https://1drv.ms/i/s!AsBlZbBf72iNwzx1bHEdEXKp1Fmp I mean I like windows 10 and wsl alot I also use mouses without boarders to share the single hid imputs to both desktops these days
[15:48] <nacc> donofrio: i meant in the general sense
[15:48] <nacc> donofrio: VMs are absolutely the way to go, depending on context
[15:48] <nacc> donofrio: if you want to be "running Linux", you need to be using a VM
[15:48] <nacc> donofrio: minimally, aiui, the WSL images don't have their own kernel
[15:49] <nacc> donofrio: they seem more like containers to me, but people will think they are VMs already and then be sad
[15:51] <donofrio> the reason why I like them not to be vm's is they should be able to control the files/repositories from within sccm or group policy (couldn't leverage group policy on linux before without expensive clients)
[15:51] <nacc> "sccm"?
[15:51] <nacc> donofrio: "group policy" = AD?
[15:53] <donofrio> yep
[15:53] <donofrio> too many folks have been running vm's here and vm's there now we should be able to discurage that and just run redhat or ubuntu on the core desktop's.....it should be more secure I believe....
[15:54] <nacc> except you're *NOT* running redhat or ubuntu
[15:54] <nacc> redhat and ubuntu are fundamentally tied to a kernel
[15:54] <nacc> you are running some userspace with a translation layer
[15:54] <nacc> that translation layer is not necessarily compliant with the specs (e.g., POSIX)
[15:54] <nacc> which is why I think VMs make way more sense :)
[15:55] <donofrio> I used to run cygwin so posix is awesome glue just this feels like a more stable thing for developers, unless your developing something for the kernel....if not userspace should be fine for 98% tasks....
[15:58] <nacc> donofrio: right, just don't call it Linux :)
[15:58] <nacc> donofrio: that's my opinion, admittedly
[16:09] <nacc> 16.04.3 released
[16:13] <donofrio> yah if I was creator update 1703 I'd be running 16.04
[19:04] <oerheks> nicomachus, 2nd one today that didn't look at updates
[19:05] <oerheks> there is a new kernel out, i noticed.
[19:05] <nicomachus> yes, 16.04.3 was released today.
[19:15] <ducasse> Bashing-om: wouldn't the amdgpu driver get loaded automatically if it is needed? looked at xorg.0.log?
[19:17] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Yes, I would expect so . but no idea YET what all the OP has done . From what I can gathjer the correct driver is amdgpu and maybe supported now by -PRO .
[19:20] <Bashing-om> ducasse: https://pastebin.com/yyvKQjM6 . Am I reading this right that radeon is loaded but that amdgpu is available ?
[19:21] <nacc> oerheks: nicomachus: just an fyi, i'm realizing this will be relevant, we should see everyone be taken off the 4.8 kernel to the 4.10 one if on 16.04 hwe
[19:22] <oerheks> yeah, some do not look for updates properly, others ignore issues and end up with that 4.8 kernel
[19:22] <ducasse> Bashing-om: looks like they are both loaded, maybe that's how amdgpu works - i don't know
[19:22]  * nicomachus is over here running 4.4.0-87
[19:24] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Humm .. lots to learn . " radeon               1507328  13 " says to me it is active while " amdgpu               1564672  0" means inactive ???
[19:25] <oerheks> note that himem is using i3 wm
[19:25] <nicomachus> yea, he waited an awfully long time to mention that too.
[19:25] <oerheks> with an ubuntu theme, so those artifacts garbish could well be a theme thing
[19:26] <ducasse> Bashing-om: misread that, you're right...
[19:32] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Not decided here yet on a best means to proceed . But I am set on making sure that amdgpu is the driver in use .
[19:33] <oerheks> man, is there a strange planet-constilation today??
[19:33] <nicomachus> it's the clipse
[19:33] <nicomachus> eclipse*
[19:33] <nicomachus> causing problems already
[19:33] <oerheks> ahhh .. i got tickets but cannot make it
[19:35] <oerheks> paid Ƀ 5 for it
[19:35] <nicomachus> I have to drive my boss to the epicenter :/ traffic is gonna suckkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
[19:37] <oerheks> why does this troll not paste what comes after ... Reading package lists...
[20:09] <nicomachus> ducasse: that is just too good
[20:09] <nacc> lol
[20:09] <nicomachus> thank you thank you thank you
[20:09] <ducasse> lol
[20:09] <oerheks> LoLz, compton, i3
[20:09] <oerheks> what is next?
[20:09] <ducasse> sometimes you just need to rtfm
[20:10] <nicomachus> I generally just stop trying to help anyone using i3 or similar tiling WMs. They seem to denote a certain type of user that I don't mesh with well.
[20:10] <oerheks> 5 hrs ago: [17:09] <oerheks> 16.04/i3 would be your choise then, i think and due to the lack of amdgpu-pro, the best option for i3 [17:10] <oerheks> 16.04 + hwe perhaps
[20:10] <oerheks> launchpad karma = 0 ... lolz
[20:12] <ducasse> nicomachus: i use i3 myself and love it, but lately tiling wms have started attracting a certain crowd i don't mesh with either...
[20:13] <nicomachus> "I'm a linux genius I use i3." "What? of course I updated, I ran apt-get update"
[20:13] <nicomachus> "reinstall??? you can't be serious, I have too much custom config here"
[20:15] <Bashing-om> a linux genius ; then you do have back ups ! Just how many times have "YOU" broke the system ... Only 2 .. takes 10+ to be a genius :)
[20:16] <ducasse> people are strange creatures
[20:18] <Bashing-om> ducasse: But interesting ( so long as effort is in a forward direction) .


[09:59] <yann2> hello :) is the community council scheduled for today taking place?
[10:00] <dholbach> yann2: yes, in 2h
[10:01] <dholbach> yann2: do you have an agenda item?
[10:01] <yann2> ok :) there is supposed to be a 3-months review for companies subscribing to the planet, it's been nearly 4 months now for us - do you think I can add that to the agenda for reviewing?
[10:01] <dholbach> yann2: sure
[10:03] <yann2> I added it to the agenda
[10:05] <dholbach> yann2: super
[12:00] <dholbach> hello everybody
[12:00] <davmor2> dholbach: hello
[12:00] <dholbach> hi elmo
[12:00] <dholbach> sabdfl is on his way afaik
[12:07] <elmo> is Yann here?
[12:07] <elmo> I believe his item is the only thing on the agenda
[12:07] <dholbach> yann2 was around earlier
[12:07] <yann2> I am :)
[12:07] <dholbach> hola sabdfl, como estas? :-)
[12:07] <sabdfl> atlichna
[12:07] <dholbach> we have an agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda and one agenda item
[12:08] <dholbach> yann2: "3-months review of Oxford Archaeology's blog on Planet Ubuntu" - your stage :)
[12:08] <yann2> there is supposed to be a three month review for companie's blogs aggregated on the planet, so it's been nearly 4 months :)
[12:08] <sabdfl> yann2: i saw you added that today, right?
[12:08] <yann2> feed is http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/oaubuntu/
[12:08] <yann2> sabdfl > yeah, a bit late, just wanted to check for the next meeting, and it happened to be today
[12:08] <sabdfl> thank you!
[12:08] <yann2> can report to next meeting if needed
[12:08] <sabdfl> any comments from community folks that you think should be considered in the review?
[12:09] <dholbach> yeah, that's what interested me too - how was the feedback you got?
[12:09] <yann2> dholbach > depends on the post - usually positive
[12:09] <yann2> to quite negative on some subjects
[12:09] <yann2> (but mostly on technical issues)
[12:10] <yann2> some people seem not to like ubuntu's approach to kvm :)
[12:10] <dholbach> yann2: what were the reasons for the negative feedback?
[12:10] <yann2> mmh, http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/oaubuntu/entry/kvm_84_in_hardy_how for example
[12:10] <dholbach> ok, so not necessarily bad feedback on the blog or the particular blog posts themselves?
[12:11] <yann2> not really, I think we're doing quite fine so far :P but it's up to you te decide
[12:11] <sabdfl> that looks reasonable
[12:11] <sabdfl> people often have different views technically, but there's nothing here that raises concerns about the blog on planet
[12:12] <sabdfl> cc?
[12:12] <sabdfl> ok, i'll vote +1
[12:12] <dholbach> I personally don't have any issues with the blog at all, I think the frequency of posts is alright, the ones I read were well-written
[12:13] <dholbach> +1 from me too
[12:13] <sabdfl> i don't think this needs quorum, it's just a review
[12:13] <sabdfl> yann2: so thank you for being a good pioneer :-)
[12:13] <sabdfl> is that a wrap?
[12:13] <elmo> +1 from me too
[12:13] <yann2> yay :) thx
[12:13] <sabdfl> thanks elmo - yet another fan of kvm :-)
[12:14] <yann2> am online most of the time anyway, you know who to ping if one of my colleagues goes across the line :P
[12:14] <sabdfl> any other business?
[12:14] <sabdfl> let's give it a minute
[12:14] <sabdfl> yann2: in the interim, how is kvm in jaunty looking?
[12:14] <yann2> sabdfl > more interested in the bacport for hardy to be fair
[12:15] <sabdfl> ok
[12:15] <sabdfl> i think that's a wrap, thank you all
[12:15] <yann2> should be the same version as far as I understood :)
[12:15]  * dholbach will update the team report
[12:15] <dholbach> thanks yann2, thanks everybody else
[15:59] <sommer> :-)
[15:59] <ttx> o/
[16:00] <ttx> Who is around for the server team meeting ?
[16:00] <zul_> hello
[16:00]  * sommer <-- this guy
[16:00] <nijaba> o/
[16:01] <nealmcb> \o
[16:01] <soren> o/
[16:01] <ttx> Your regular host is travelling today so I'll do the usual bad mathiaz ersatz
[16:01] <ttx> OK, let's start
[16:02] <ttx> #startmeeting
[16:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:02. The chair is ttx.
[16:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:02] <ttx> Welcome to the always amazing Ubuntu Server team meeting.
[16:02] <ttx> Today's agenda is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:03]  * ttx reloads to doublecheck nothing specific was just added
[16:03] <ttx> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:04] <ttx> Only unofficial ACTIOn item was the bug 360689 review by ivoks
[16:04] <ttx> Which is now in Fix Released state
[16:05] <dendrobates> ivoks doen't seem to be here, so ...
[16:05] <ttx> Anything else from last meeting someone wants to bring up ?
[16:05] <kirkland> o/
[16:05] <ttx> kirkland: yes ?
[16:06] <kirkland> ttx: sorry, late "i'm here"
[16:06] <ttx> Ah :)
[16:06] <ttx> Then, let's proceed to today's hot topic
[16:06] <ttx> [TOPIC] Jaunty release
[16:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Jaunty release
[16:07] <ttx> So we are now very very close to Jaunty release date, I hope there is no hidden issue someone wants to bring up ?
[16:08] <ttx> ISO testing is in full swing, please help if you can, especially if you own real hardware (as KVM-based testing is quite well covered already)
[16:08] <ttx> The "Virtualization host" test on ubuntu Server amd64 is not covered yet
[16:09] <kirkland> ttx: i was trying to free up some hardware to do that
[16:09] <kirkland> ttx: but my spare box is running hardy + kvm-84, and i don't really want to reimage that at this point
[16:09] <dendrobates> ttx: we also need to test the minimal install.
[16:09] <kirkland> ttx: so i echo your call
[16:09] <dendrobates> ttx: you select it using F4
[16:10] <kirkland> dendrobates: i can do that in a VM
[16:10] <ttx> dendrobates: I did the two "virtual machine install" ones
[16:10] <ttx> dendrobates: aka "jeOS on KVM"
[16:10] <kirkland> ttx: i was also going to do the virtual-host one, using nested kvm
[16:11] <dendrobates> ttx: did the instructions get updated?
[16:11] <ttx> dendrobates: 2009-02-25 23:10:25 by mathiaz
[16:12] <ttx> not exactly sure that answers your question though
[16:13] <ttx> dendrobates: does 20090421.1 shape up to be the final respin, from where you stand ?
[16:13] <dendrobates> ttx: I'll check, and fix if necessary
[16:13] <dendrobates> ttx: yes, I've done a couple dozen installs the last two days with no errors
[16:14] <ttx> Okay. Anything else on the Jaunty release front ?
[16:15] <ttx> then...
[16:15] <ttx> [TOPIC] Ideas for Karmic
[16:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ideas for Karmic
[16:16] <ttx> i'll echo last week call for ideas, feel free to fill https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/IdeaPool with your thoughts
[16:16] <ttx> If that's something more complex or advanced than an idea, you can also submit a blueprint and subscribe the ubuntu-server team to it.
[16:17] <aruetten> I got this URL http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/server/ for  Ideas for Karmic
[16:17] <ttx> aruetten: right, that's another source we look at.
[16:18] <aruetten> ok
[16:18] <ttx> moving on to...
[16:18] <ttx> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[16:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[16:18] <ttx> anything/anyone ?
[16:19] <ttx> Who goes to an Ubuntu Release party and where ?
[16:20] <sommer> I think there's a local one in my area, but I don't think I'll be able to make it :(
[16:22] <ttx> kirkland: anything shaping up in Austin ?
[16:22] <dinda> sommer: you can throw your own party ya know  :)
[16:23] <zul_> ill be going to one
[16:23] <dinda> ttx:  Kirkland's throwing one in austin. . .
[16:23] <dinda> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyReleaseParties#USA
[16:23] <ttx> zul_: a not so local one, from what I heard.
[16:24] <sommer> dinda: heh, very true
[16:24] <zul_> ttx: true with lots of fish
[16:24] <kirkland> that's true!\
[16:24] <kirkland> we actually have a bar called The Jackalope in Austin on 6th Street
[16:25] <ttx> kirkland: ah ! I was worried you weren't taking my bait :)
[16:25] <kirkland> ttx: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/04/jaunty-release-party-austin-texas.html
[16:26] <ttx> the place to be !
[16:26] <dinda> kirkland: that is awesome
[16:26] <kirkland> it's a pretty cheesey bar, but the name is too good to pass up :-)
[16:27]  * dinda wonders if there is a karmic bar in austin. . .
[16:27] <ttx> Other server team members shall be attending the Aalborg, Denmark one on Friday.
[16:27] <ttx> s/shall/might/
[16:27] <itnet7> dinda: did hela ever get a hold of you?
[16:27] <kirkland> dinda: there is Aussies Sports bar, with koalas on the wall ;-)  it's a beach volleyball place
[16:28] <dinda> ChrisCrisafulli: nope
[16:28] <kirkland> dinda: and there is a bar called "Karma" ... http://www.karma-austin.com/
[16:28] <ttx> anything else before we close the meeting ?
[16:29] <ttx> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:29] <ttx> Same place, same time, next week?
[16:30] <ttx> Hopefully we'll have a 9.04 by then.
[16:31] <sommer> works for me
[16:31] <ttx> Allrighty
[16:31] <ttx> #endmeeting
[16:31] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:31.
[18:00]  * manjo waves at amitk
[18:00] <amitk> hey manjo
[18:00]  * cking is here
[18:00]  * lieb here
[18:00]  * sconklin1 here
[18:00]  * smb_tp 2
[18:00]  * rtg waves
[18:01]  * bradf is here
[18:02]  * apw looks lost
[18:02] <manjo> bradf, you are the moderator for today ?
[18:02] <bradf> yes, I forgot
[18:02] <bradf> just a sec while I recover
[18:02] <apw> remember to 'pound' startmeeting
[18:03] <bradf> #startmeeting
[18:03] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:03. The chair is bradf.
[18:03] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:03] <bradf> meeign notes ate at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[18:04]  * apw sends bradf some extra letters
[18:04] <bradf> I forgot, I believe this meeting was supposed to be canceled
[18:04] <ogasawara> heh, that's what I thought
[18:04] <bradf> it's next week that was I am supposed to do
[18:04] <bradf> anyone have any issues they want to discuss right now
[18:04] <bradf> ?
[18:04] <apw> oh yeah, erm, this meeting is officially cancelled
[18:04] <awe> ;)
[18:04] <smb_tp> lets vote on it :)
[18:05] <manjo> ok with me
[18:05] <rtg> yeah, why can''t we have more beer at these meetings?
[18:05] <lieb> second
[18:05] <smb_tp> +1
[18:05] <awe> +1
[18:05] <cking> +1
[18:05] <bradf> +1
[18:05]  * apw seconds rtg's idea
[18:05] <rtg> +1
[18:05] <rtg> I'm outta here
[18:05] <bradf> #endmeeting
[18:05] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:05.
[18:05] <lieb> bye
[18:05] <bradf> bye
[18:05] <cking> wow that was quick
[18:05] <ogasawara> best meeting evar
[18:05] <apw> bradf, i'll fix the meeting page
[18:06] <amitk> lol
[18:06] <cking> snigger
[18:06]  * apw thinks up some evil questions for ogasawara
[18:12] <ogra> bradf, you should shut down the bot ;)
[18:12] <ogra> oh, you did already, sorry i'm blind
[22:03] <thewrath> hey beuno
[23:49] <thewrath> hey all
[23:50] <duanedesign> hello
[23:50] <thewrath> wats up
[23:50] <duanedesign> waitin on the meeting
[23:51] <thewrath> me too
[23:51] <andrew_46> me three
[23:54] <Ash_R_> hi all
[23:54] <Ash_R_> meeting in 5 mins right?
[23:54] <Rocket2DMn> Yes.  Please keep non-meeting chatter in our team channel please
[23:55] <thewrath> Ash_R_:  i beleive so
[23:57] <TuxPurple> hi :)
[23:58] <jamesrfla> almost forgot we are having it in here
[23:58] <Nano_ext3> omgomgomgomgomg meeting!


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[20:25] <EoflaOE> Hello Bashing-om
[20:44] <Bashing-om> EoflaOE: Sorry for the delay in respoinding - wandered away :)  Hoz yer day ?
[20:44] <EoflaOE> Bashing-om: My day is nice, however it's night and will have to sleep spoon. How about yours?
[20:44] <EoflaOE> soon*
[20:47] <Bashing-om> EoflaOE: Ben a busy morning with chores and such - then a catch up on UWN .. a bit of postponing on UWN that I can catch up on tomorrow :) .. now is ubuntu support time :)
[20:48] <EoflaOE> Bashing-om: OK. Do your best.
[20:50] <Bashing-om> EoflaOE: But of course - worth the doing worth doing the best that one can do :P
[20:51] <EoflaOE> Bashing-om: OK.


[12:01] <punk3r> Hi, do anyone know what's the filename to configure the overview search bar background ?
[23:17] <memeka> gnome-shell (zesty) crashes (so gdm3 and gnome3 won't start) in libmozjs38 ToBooleanSlow() - same crash as reported here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1334314
[23:17] <memeka> on armhf
[23:30] <jbicha> memeka: are you using armhf?
[23:31] <memeka> jbicha: yes
[23:34] <jbicha> ok, cool
[23:35] <jbicha> do you have a LP bug for this crash?
[23:37] <jbicha> do you have any useful looking crash reports in /var/crash/
[23:37] <jbicha> you could try using apport-cli to report them
[23:39] <memeka> i have core file, also pretty hard to debug gnome-shell since i cannot use gdb directly
[23:39] <memeka> so all i can go on is core file
[23:40] <memeka> there's no error reported but EE cannot connect to Wayland events - connection reset by peer
[23:40] <memeka> since gnome-shell just crashes with seg fault
[23:40] <memeka> i can start mutter directly, that's ok, but gnome-shell i guess uses libmozjs for layout of things - and here it crashes
[23:41] <memeka> i am not even sure that's the issue in the mozilla bug, but that's the only recent crash related to ToBooleanSlow i found - and that's where it crashes for me
[23:42] <jbicha> if you can use apport-cli to report them, Launchpad should automatically process them into stacktraces
[23:43] <memeka> jbicha: i don't even have /var/crash (probably bc i don't have apport installed)
[23:46] <jbicha> ok, do you at least have a LP account?
[23:47] <memeka> yeah i do :)
[23:47] <jbicha> if the commit on the mozilla bug applies, I can try doing a PPA build for you
[23:49] <memeka> i would appreciate that - since i am trying a native build, and it's extremely slow esp since it needs 4GB of swap space :-S
[23:58] <jbicha> memeka: the patch I tried doesn't apply, do you have a patch that does?
[23:59] <memeka> jbicha: not yet :(
[23:59] <jbicha> ok, let us know when you do


[08:22] <oulanka> Is there some drawback to keeping dotfiles in a git repository, with symlinks leading from their locations (so say ~/.bashrc symlinks to ~/dotfiles_git_repository/.bashrc)? Is there some other clearly better to keep dotfiles in a git repository?
[10:37] <beanj7> sorry an error occurred and it was not possible to install the bootloader at the specified location
[16:52] <pedro_junior_> hi
[16:54] <pedro_junior_> i am trying to use mate instead of Lubuntu user-session but my /usr/share/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d has many files
[16:55] <pedro_junior_> how is the precedence of this files? Should I copy mate file to  /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d/ ?
[19:52] <taiebot> Is it me or the galculator does not work in paper mode on 16.10?
[19:53] <taiebot> I cannot enter any number?
[23:31] <sakang> so when can we see lxqt? or never?


[05:57]  * sakrecoer[b] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/zflZxHZELofcFzvNsiIngzhN/message.txt >
[05:59] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer[b]: I have not tried it, Paul Davis has and seems to think it is ok. I think somemother people have tried it too.
[06:00] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer[b]: it is designed for less than wonderfull networks where things like aes67, avb, dante can't work
[06:00] <OvenWerks> as well as a lan
[06:01] <OvenWerks> so it can do pcm direct but also compressed (OPUS) low latency
[06:02] <sakrecoer[b]> yes they state on rhe frontpage that etherner makes a huge difference from WiFi
[06:02] <OvenWerks> I do not know if it interfaces with jack well or not because I have not tried it.
[06:02] <sakrecoer[b]> i will try! sometime this weekend
[06:02] <OvenWerks> I do  not think even OPUS can do lowlatency with wireless
[06:04] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer[b]: wifi has to deal with colisions followed by a rndom delay followed by a retry with a possible second colision.
[06:04] <OvenWerks>  sakrecoer[b]:  wifi not only has to worry about colisions within you own wifi, but everyone elses on the block using the same channel
[06:05] <sakrecoer[b]> it's quite amazing wifi can be as fast as it is lol
[06:05] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer[b]: typical latency using wifi is 500ms for sability
[06:05] <sakrecoer[b]> would be so neat to get some jaming going on again. probably what i miss the most about the restricitions
[06:05] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer[b]: speed and latency are not the same thing
[06:06] <sakrecoer[b]> aha, yes of course
[06:08] <sakrecoer[b]> but wouldn't it eventually affect speed too in the case of wifi? if those 500ms run out, wouldn't it neee to... add a new ... "lookahead"?
[06:21] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer[b]: the newer wifi just uses bigger packet sizes for more throughput
[06:21] <OvenWerks> sakrecoer[b]: and higher bitrates too of course
[06:22] <OvenWerks> so there is not guarentee when they will get there, but they can move faster
[06:29] <sakrecoer[b]> thanks for elaborating OvenWerks
[15:53] <SADe_> Hi everyone, I'm asking here again
[15:54] <SADe_> Is there a plan for new TASCAM US-4X4HR will be support by Linux ans UbuntuStudio ?
[15:55] <SADe_> and*
[16:02] <OvenWerks> Is the the unit USB? if so is it class compliant?
[16:02] <OvenWerks> Does it work on a MAC?)
[16:06] <OvenWerks> Basically, the mac requires USB devices to be class complient as it does not allow installing drivers. Linux should just work with any USB class complient device.
[16:07] <OvenWerks> SADe_: this page: https://tascam.com/us/product/us-4x4hr/spec seems to indicate it should work.
[16:10] <OvenWerks> however, the downloads page does have a "settings panel" for the mac (but not iOS) so it is best to check if ALSA can see it's controls.
[16:11] <OvenWerks> Actually, it looks like everything is knobs, not sure what a settings panel would do.
[18:38] <SADe_> i've install studio 20.4 on a iMac late 2009
[18:39] <SADe_> with a dual boot on high sierra, my tascam work on mac but not under ubuntu studio
[18:40] <SADe_> OvenWerks, on jack i can start with the integrated sound card but not the tascam ..
[18:46] <SADe_> Is there a place to open and an issue and report jack logs
[18:47] <SADe_> -and
[19:06] <OvenWerks> SADe_: if the device does not work in ALSA it will not work in jack. So check that it works with ALSA first
[19:08] <OvenWerks> If ALSA sees it... arecord -l and aplay -l both show it and something like firefox can send sound to it.... the next thing is to find out what sample rates/buffer sizes it can use
[19:11] <OvenWerks> SADe_: It could be you are trying to get jack to use the device with a sample rate or buffer size the device does not support. Both windows a macOS hide this from you, using SRC to give you what you ask for regardless.
[19:12] <OvenWerks> for example, many devices will only run at 48000 and not 44100 or vise versa
[20:26] <SADe_> Thank you for your advices OvenWerks 'ill give a try tomorow
[23:43] <sirriffsalot> Yo guys, I've been trying the Auburn Sounds-plugins... they're amazing
[23:44] <sirriffsalot> I hope you'll consider adding them to the next Ubuntu Studio release, if that's something you're allowed to do with the free versions. These plugins are astounding
[23:51] <oerheks> sirriffsalot, this Renegate ?
[23:52] <oerheks> https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2020/08/25/auburn-sounds-renegate-free/
[23:52] <sirriffsalot> oerheks: yeah https://www.auburnsounds.com/products/Panagement.html
[23:52] <oerheks> cool
[23:53] <sirriffsalot> oerheks: yeah I dunno, it's not opensource even, but they had free versions.. so I thought I'd mention it
[23:53] <sirriffsalot> They're truly something


[20:38] <pavlushka> zaki: o/
[20:38] <zaki> hey pavlushka
[20:44] <zaki> pavlushka, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTDldZN20R0
[20:44] <u-la-la> [ Mr Squirrel's Wild Ride - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com ( https://tinyurl.com/hmcrdrn )
[20:59] <pavlushka> zaki: in a bit, trying to compile coreboot again, compiling the payload for now, so need the download speed


[07:29] <ausfestivus> whats the best way to get some help with a cloud-init problem here?
[07:32] <meena> ausfestivus: asking a question is a good start.
[07:33] <ausfestivus> lol
[07:33] <ausfestivus> sure
[07:34] <meena> n.b.: most devs (the people with @ in front of their nick) are somewhere in North America… so if us, mere mortals cannot help, you'll have to wait for them to wake up.
[07:34] <ausfestivus> im trying to debug why a script is not running when its placed in /var/lib/cloud/scripts/per-once
[07:35] <ausfestivus> on ubuntu  18.04 on azure as part  of a  scale set
[07:35] <ausfestivus> the script IS in the above path
[07:35] <ausfestivus> root@cptadotfvm000000:/var/lib/cloud/scripts/per-once# lsinstall-ado-agent.sh
[07:36] <ausfestivus> root@cptadotfvm000000:/var/lib/cloud/scripts/per-once# lsinstall-ado-agent.sh
[07:36] <ausfestivus> apols for the formatting
[07:36] <ausfestivus> im following the steps at https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/faq.html#how-can-i-debug-my-user-data
[07:36] <ausfestivus> to debug the user data
[07:37] <meena> we've recently improved the documentation on per-X, or so i hope… i wonder if it's released on Read The Docs…
[07:38] <ausfestivus> when I run the `cloud-init query userdata > user-data.yaml` command, I get a bunch of python gunk. I suspect because the VM has python2 and cloud-init needs python3
[07:39] <meena> ausfestivus: that shouldn't really matter. cloud-init should be using the correct python.
[07:39] <meena> ausfestivus: can you pastebin the python gunk somewhere, please?
[07:41] <ausfestivus> standby
[07:41] <meena> i can't do anything else
[07:41] <meena> well, i could sleep, but i don't think it's appreciated at $customer's office.
[07:42] <meena> unless you have 20 years seniority…
[07:42] <ausfestivus> whats the best way to paste console output in here?
[07:42] <ausfestivus> webclient here
[07:43] <ausfestivus> ```
[07:43] <meena> ausfestivus: you copy/paste the output to your favourite pastebin… or gist.github.com or whatnot, and then post the link here
[07:43] <ausfestivus> ```cptuser@cptadotfvm000000:/tmp$ sudo cloud-init query userdataTraceback (most recent call last):  File "/usr/bin/cloud-init", line 11, in <module>    load_entry_point('cloud-init==19.4', 'console_scripts', 'cloud-init')()  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/cloudinit/cmd/main.py", line 893, in main    get_uptime=True, func=functor, args=(name,
[07:43] <ausfestivus> args))  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/cloudinit/util.py", line 2558, in log_time    ret = func(*args, **kwargs)  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/cloudinit/cmd/query.py", line 124, in handle_args    instance_data['userdata'] = util.load_file(user_data_fn)  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/cloudinit/util.py", line 1372, in load_file
[07:43] <ausfestivus> return decode_binary(contents)  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/cloudinit/util.py", line 146, in decode_binary    return blob.decode(encoding)UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0x8b in position 1: invalid start byte```
[07:43] <ausfestivus> yea okay
[07:43] <meena> ausfestivus: not like this… :P
[07:44] <ausfestivus> https://gist.github.com/ausfestivus/cdd1635b9340cb2f61ee83eed071f04e
[07:44] <ausfestivus> ^^ python  gunk
[07:47] <meena> ausfestivus: can you run `file /var/lib/cloud/scripts/per-once/install-ado-agent.sh`
[07:48] <ausfestivus> ```cptuser@cptadotfvm000000:/tmp$ file /var/lib/cloud/scripts/per-once/install-ado-agent.sh/var/lib/cloud/scripts/per-once/install-ado-agent.sh: Bourne-Again shell script, ASCII text executable```
[07:48] <ausfestivus> the script is fine
[07:49] <ausfestivus> if I run it from there it does the job fine
[07:49] <meena> ausfestivus: it would be nice to know which script it's complaining about
[07:49] <ausfestivus> hence why im  trying  to get some debug info from cloud-init
[07:49] <ausfestivus> hence the python gunk after following the debug steps in the docs
[07:50] <meena> oooh, waaait… is it userdata it's complaining about?
[07:50] <ausfestivus> it doesnt complain
[07:50] <meena> ausfestivus: python-gunking about
[07:50] <ausfestivus> oh
[07:50] <ausfestivus> `sudo cloud-init query userdat`
[07:50] <ausfestivus> `sudo cloud-init query userdata`
[07:51] <meena> that works?
[07:51] <ausfestivus> no
[07:51] <ausfestivus> gives the gunk
[07:51] <meena> i assumed from # that you're root.
[07:54] <meena> ausfestivus: it's odd, according to docs, gzip compressed userdata should just be decompressed…
[07:54] <meena> and your userdata is.
[07:54] <meena> here's a cut from /usr/share/mime/magic:
[07:55] <meena> [50:application/gzip]
[07:55] <meena> >0=^@^B^_<8b>
[07:55] <meena> that means, gzip is identified by a magic byte sequence of 0x8b
[07:58] <meena> ausfestivus: you can try play around with https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/analyze.html — or read the logs yourself, to figure out if this same behaviour happens on boot, cuz if it does that's a serious bug (or misconfiguration, or misunderstanding)
[08:03] <ausfestivus> are you saying  thefile in per-once should be mime-encoded?
[08:11] <meena> ausfestivus: no, i'm saying that your userdata is gzipped. that's what "python gunk" is saying. and for reasons unclear to me, cloud-init is choking on that, rather than ungzipping it, before trying to decode it as text
[08:11] <meena> the only thing i can imagine going wrong is double gzip encoding, or, a bug.
[08:13] <ausfestivus> afk dinner
[09:27] <ausfestivus> @meena how can I debug this problem further? Any tips?
[09:28] <ausfestivus> the debug tools in the FAQ are not working for a reason I cant decipher
[09:29] <meena> ausfestivus: pastebin your logfile, and i can help take a look. also pastebin your /var/lib/cloud-init/instance/userdata (or whatever the actual real path is)
[09:31] <ausfestivus> you want both log files?
[09:31] <meena> sure
[09:35] <meena> if you're unsure about your logs, cuz they're a lot, you can cloud-init clean --logs --reboot
[09:35] <meena> to get a new set of fresh logs
[09:47] <ausfestivus> cloud-init-output.log - https://pastebin.com/0CiR0yFEcloud-init.log - https://pastebin.com/iG6Up8SP
[09:47] <ausfestivus> grrr
[09:47] <ausfestivus> standby
[09:48] <ausfestivus> cloud-init-output.log - https://pastebin.com/0CiR0yFE
[09:48] <ausfestivus> cloud-init.log - https://pastebin.com/iG6Up8SP
[09:48] <ausfestivus> I have a userdata.txt and a userdata.txt.i both are binary data
[09:49] <ausfestivus> err correction
[09:49] <ausfestivus> .i isnt
[09:50] <ausfestivus> userdata.txt.i https://pastebin.com/qacVGm4p
[10:03] <meena> ausfestivus: how many boots is this? did you run clean --logs --reboot?
[11:16] <ausfestivus> just one boot, didnt run clean --logs --reboot
[11:47] <hkominos> Good morning guys. I wanted to ask the channel if cloud init works with only python3 installed. I am trying to build centos8 with cloud-init but I am facing issues. (even the upstream image of centos8 is showing missing deps for cloud-init)
[12:03] <meena> hkominos: the latest version has dropped python 2.7 support
[12:06] <meena> hkominos: but, you may wanna describe exactly what problems you're facing… or pastebin some stack-trace or similar.
[12:06] <meena> how are you trying to build cloud-init, etc…
[12:21] <otubo> rharper: quick question (because we talked about this last time): regarding BZ#1748015, I managed to fix this by adding "ExecStartPost=/usr/bin/systemctl try-restart NetworkManager.service" to cloud-final.service.
[12:22] <otubo> (I thought the bot would resolv bugzillas as well :-) - [cloud-init][RHEL7] /etc/resolv.conf lose config after reboot (initial instance is ok) - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1748015
[12:23] <otubo> oh it does :-D
[12:23] <otubo> rharper: do you know if this race is seen in other distros as well? Shall I send a pull-request or just keep it downstream?
[12:25] <meena> otubo: i'd open a PR. better safe than sorry
[12:25] <meena> i can imagine an insigificant update in systemd to create this race where it wasn't there previously
[12:26] <otubo> meena: true that!
[12:48] <hkominos> hi meena!. Yes python 2.7 has been dropped (correctly in my ipinion). SO the stock Centos8 image that comes from upstream here https://cloud.centos.org/centos/8/x86_64/images/ has cloud init 18,5 installed. However a dnf update shows for example that 19.2 is available BUThttp://cpaste.info/29lw/. In my case even I have a prebuild 19.4 that I use in
[12:48] <hkominos> our centos7 images which works fine but i see even more dependancies missing http://cpaste.info/29lx/. So i am trying to figure out if is a packaging issue or a cloud-init issue. (or other)
[13:01] <meena> seems pretty badly packaged
[13:20] <hkominos> so 19.2 is hosted upstream but cannot download it. 19.4 is packages and hosted by me. Dnf shows dependancy errros BUT all the binaries are actually visible by rpm -qa . So does that leave me with a badly build centos8 upstream image ?
[13:24] <hkominos> I just feel that the 18.5 cloud init might be causing problmes
[13:32] <meena> hkominos: you have more than one cloud-init installed?
[13:32] <hkominos> no.
[13:33] <hkominos> only 18.5 is installed in the upstream image. I am simply unable to upgrade to any other binary
[13:34] <meena> i wouldn't exactly call a bunch of python files strewn over your filesystem a "binary"
[13:36] <hkominos> ? what do you mean ?
[13:37] <meena> hkominos: if cloud-init was a self-contained binary, it might be easier to update.
[13:39] <meena> welcome back hkominos. i hope all your sorrows are taken care of, since we last met.
[13:39] <hkominos> hahahahaha.
[13:40] <hkominos> naaaaaah still things do not work. THat is why I turn to IRC for help
[13:42] <meena> hkominos: how did you build 19.4?
[13:42] <meena> how was the 19.2 package built?
[13:53] <hkominos> of course I did not document all this :P. It looks like I used a spec file for the older 18.5 cloud init and just changed the binary that it pointed to. to build 19.2
[13:53] <hkominos> http://cpaste.info/29m7/
[13:53] <hkominos> like so
[13:54] <meena> hkominos: my company proxy doesn't trust  cPaste.info
[13:54] <hkominos> ok. attempt2
[13:56] <hkominos> https://pastebin.com/hNCwe1Xk
[13:56] <hkominos> perhaps ?
[14:00] <hkominos> ok. so the spec specifies python requirements
[14:00] <hkominos> that I do have. But it cant find them
[14:03] <meena> hkominos: have you seen https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/master/packages/redhat/cloud-init.spec.in ?
[14:05] <meena> missing… things… are replaced with: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/blob/master/packages/brpm
[14:05] <meena> you can call it from the Makefile
[14:05] <meena> make rpm DISTRO=redhat
[14:35] <hkominos> first time i see this!
[14:41] <hkominos> Will get on it right away. thx
[15:59] <rharper> otubo: I suspect that if Ubuntu images only had network-manager we might see the same issue
[15:59] <rharper> otubo: would appreciate your thoughts on https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/226
[16:36] <blackboxsw> meena: thanks for being so active
[16:37] <blackboxsw> it adds a lot to the cloud-init project
[16:52] <hkominos> meena I will work on this tomorrow. But even with the spec file that you provided i get tricky issues. f.e. https://pastebin.com/tBgPrXBK
[16:53] <hkominos> Do i need python 2.7 to build cloud init ?
[17:01] <rharper> hkominos: for centos7, at this time, 2.7 is required, for python3 in centos8 etc, there's a branch with a modified spec file; that work has not yet landed, but you can get a look at those changes here: https://code.launchpad.net/~raharper/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/368845
[17:03] <hkominos> thx!
[18:55] <AnhVoMSFT> rharper: just checking if there is anything else we need for this PR: https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/pull/54
[18:57] <powersj> AnhVoMSFT, I don't think there is - we need to loop back and get that as part of our next SRU, but Chad can correct me if I am mistaken
[19:25] <rharper> AnhVoMSFT:  no, powersj is right; we can land that and it would get picked up in the next SRU
[19:33] <AnhVoMSFT> thanks rharper powersj
[21:13] <meena> blackboxsw: 💜
[21:14] <meena> btw, any of you seen ausfestivus issue? i was able to pin-point the exception. but not the reason why it's happening.
[21:17] <ausfestivus> Do you sleep meena? :-p
[21:19] <meena> ausfestivus: between 23:00 and hopefully 7…
[21:20] <meena> but my baby daughter is still pretty unpredictable.


[13:46] <GridCube> hi
[14:15] <sublevel> hi GridCube .  on IRC you can just start speaking/asking questions, no need to wait for someone to say hello
[14:17] <GridCube> :) thanks sublevel, i just missed that this is not the -offtopic channel, :P was just saying hi
[14:17] <sublevel> hi :)
[14:48] <Supa> Hi guys. How do I set up "Preferred Applications" to use a specific text editor for *.txt files? https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/exo/preferred-applications
[14:50] <sublevel> if you right click a .txt in the file manager -> open with other application -> is there a tickbox to set as default?
[14:51] <Supa> Yeah I did that, but sometimes it reverts to another text editor like Mousepad rather than Sublime Text.
[14:52] <sublevel> are they being detected as a different filetype in the Type column in the filemanager?
[14:52] <sublevel> linux doesn't pay much attention to file extensions, as I understand it
[14:53] <Supa> I don't use Thunar as I replaced it with Caja, so maybe I have to install the Mate preferred applications tool?
[14:53] <Supa> or install it?
[14:55] <akxwi-dave_> using thunar to set the defaults works for me, so it maybe a caja thing while they are not staying as selected
[14:55] <Supa> maybe
[14:56] <Supa> I moved from Ubuntu MATE to Xubuntu as I prefer the Xfce desktop, but there are certain things I like from MATE like Caja. It may be because I have a bit of a "Frankenbuntu" setup as to why things are not working right.
[14:58] <Supa> I did notice that the MATE Preferred Applications does have more options that the Xubuntu one. This was why I was wondering if I could add custom options to that.
[14:58] <akxwi-dave_>  I used to be the same, I used to prefer gnome files until I started to use Thunar more, and now wouldn't go back
[14:58] <akxwi-dave_> worth a try
[14:59] <Supa> Yeah I do like Thunar I have no isses with it. I've even written some custom scripts for it, it's just I've used Caja for so long that its part of my workflow. Especially with the "Split view".
[15:00] <akxwi-dave_>  Give the custom options a try and see if that fixes it for you
[15:00] <sublevel> uh-oh,  now you're tempting me to go frankenbuntu
[15:00] <Supa> I'll have a play with it. At present the only solution I've found is to uninstall any and all other text editors other than the one I specifically wish to use.
[15:01] <Supa> hehe sublevel
[15:01] <sublevel> I just went lubuntu 16.04 -> xubuntu 18.04 and am trying not to get too distracted by tweaking everything :)
[15:02] <Supa> The beauty of Linux is that the OS lets you do this stuff.
[15:03] <akxwi-dave_> true, but it may be worth installing thunar along side caja
[15:03] <Supa> I do still have Thunar installed.
[15:03] <akxwi-dave_> for me the right click oipen terminaal here is a god send
[15:04] <akxwi-dave_> try using that to change the default text editor and see it that causes problems
[15:04] <Supa> yeah I have that in Caja too
[15:07] <remline> In Xubuntu 19.04, evidently F4 (in Thunar) will open a terminal in the current path. (cf. https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/19.04/release-notes)
[15:10] <remline> Unfortunately, the new Thunar keyboard shortcuts do not work for me. Perhaps it is because I upgrade to 19.04 from 18.04?
[15:11] <Supa> ok I solved it. When I export code from the application it makes a file in /tmp so I right clikce don the temp file and set it to use the preferred Text Editor from there. Problem solved, thanks guys.
[15:11] <Supa> clicked
[15:30] <akxwi-dave_> remline, just checked the F4 option in Thunar is working fine for me.. it maybe a setting thats been brought over during the upgrade thats stopping  it
[15:32] <remline> akxwi-dave_, thanks, that sounds like a useful shortcut! I'll hunt for the proper config file.
[15:32] <sublevel> ~/.config/Thunar/accels.scm  possibly
[16:16] <remline> sublevel, thanks, modifying accels.scm worked great. The only trick was I had to look up the unique IDs in uca.xml.
[16:17] <sublevel> oh good, what did you end up putting in there? I wonder if it could work on 18.04 as well
[16:18] <sublevel> oh you can just pop the id into a <Actions>/ThunarActions/uca-action-  ?
[16:20] <remline> Hmm, I bet so. Here is what I did: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jCGR7dCrhg/
[16:21] <remline> I didn't modify uca.xml at all, but note that it defines the two custom uca-actions that I added to accels.scm.
[16:26] <sublevel> thanks,  ah I see -  I have two actions in uca, the one with %d  doesn't work but the %f  one does
[16:26] <sublevel> ...when called from the shortcut key
[16:32] <remline> sublevel, ah, what does %d represent (vs. %f)?
[16:36] <sublevel> the containing directory of the selected file   https://www.linux.com/tutorials/extend-xfces-thunar-file-manager-custom-actions/
[16:38] <sublevel> e.g. if I'm in my home directory and downloads is selected, I'd prefer the shortcut to open a terminal in ~ rather than ~/downloads
[16:41] <remline> sublevel, here are my three cases: If I select nothing, F4 opens the visible directory. If I select a folder, F4 opens in that folder (which I think is part of what you want). If I select a file, F4 does nothing (not so useful...).
[16:43] <sublevel> oh of couse, I can just click to deselect everything first - yep that's good
[16:44] <sublevel> ...but only if there's some blank space beneath the file list
[16:44] <remline> Still, that is curious that %d doesn't work. I can't think of why that would be.
[16:48] <sublevel> huh, if I change %f to %d  in uca.xml it does work, it's the other action that was already %d that is doing nothing.  weird.  not going to play with it further
[16:49] <sublevel> oh it's because the first action is tagged  <directories/>   and the second is tagged with various file types
[20:54] <xubuntu9w> Hello, I have a question. How can I install 18.04 lts on my laptop with 2 drives? Need raid1 (mdadm) encryption and efi support
[20:57] <xubuntu9w> I have tried installing mdadm on the live installer, creating the raid and installing the system with automatic partitioning on the raid but grub was unable to install
[21:12] <tomreyn> xubuntu9w: you could use the default server installer. but in the end, the easiest approach may be to manually partition, then use debootstrap
[21:19] <tomreyn> i have a VM setup here which is a software raid-1 with dm-crypt-luks encrypted / (incl. /boot), booting in UEFI mode. so pretty close to what you were looking for. back then, when you hadn't forgotten about this chat you had logged into on browser tab 34.
[21:20] <xubuntu9w> Still here, downloading server image and looking for documentation. Thank you for replying
[21:23] <tomreyn> great, you're an exception to the rule :)
[21:27] <xubuntu9w> Nice to hear :) Burning the server iso into an usb key right now. So I'll make a raid of the drives then manually create the partitions right?
[21:30] <tomreyn> if you'll want the setup i described you won't be able to use the installer. if you don't mind having /boot unencrypted, using the installer may work.
[21:33] <tomreyn> you'd want partitions esp, boot, raid on both drives (esp and boot only on one), then raid-1 the two raid partitions, then dmcrypt-luks on top of the raid, then LVM on top of that, then the file systems on those LVs on top
[21:34] <tomreyn> actually you could make /boot a raid, too, but you'll need to do this post installation, i dont think the installer likes that.
[21:35] <tomreyn> esp must be a simple partition and vfat file system (non raid) or your bios may run into troubles.
[21:35] <xubuntu9w> having /boot redundant would be great, so the machine would boot even if one drive breaks
[21:35] <tomreyn> s/bios/uefi/
[21:36] <tomreyn> it wont unless you have a mechanism which manually mirrors esp
[21:37] <xubuntu9w> Got it, might make a script for that that keeps efi partition syncd between the disks
[21:37] <xubuntu9w> But can't find how to use debootstrap
[21:40] <tomreyn> debootstrap you'd use from a usb (but uefi) booted live system (such as the desktop installer) after partitioning, after creating the raid and encryption layer and lvm and file systemas and mounting them. but before chrooting, installing kernel image, update-inintramfs, update-grub, grub-install
[21:42] <tomreyn> it's just a small script for just installing a simple (originally debian but also) ubuntu system.
[21:47] <xubuntu9w> So I'll make partitions, raid and configure lvm, make filesystems. After I mount them i run debootstrap?
[21:54] <tomreyn> xubuntu9w: if you'll use deboostrap rather than the installer, yes, that's right.
[21:54] <tomreyn> you forgot dmcrypt-luks though
[21:54] <tomreyn> that's be between raid and lvm probably
[21:54] <tomreyn> *that'D be
[21:59] <xubuntu9w> Ok, I'm going to try that out. Thank you very much!
[22:02] <tomreyn> you're welcome, good luck.