[04:26] <Unit193> Anyone awake?
[04:33] <phunyguy> w'sup
[04:33] <phunyguy> Unit193: ^
[04:34] <Unit193> phunyguy: Geeknerd might need watching in #ubuntu, but looks like elky is on it.
[04:34] <Unit193> SpaghettiMonster*
[04:34] <Flannel> Ramen.
[04:34] <phunyguy> milkman too
[04:35] <Unit193> I actually just had spaghetti not one hour ago.
[04:35] <phunyguy> nice atheist reference btw.
[04:35] <phunyguy> heh
[10:48] <k1l> expect him to come back with another torendnode or free proxy
[10:48] <ikonia> ok
[11:19] <k1l> i guess it was the nate guys form last month
[11:19] <k1l> *from
[13:37] <k1l_> the mint channels are set to autojoin on the irc clients on mint. so the people showing up in #ubuntu do this on purpose.
[13:37] <ikonia> yes,
[13:37] <ikonia> the channel is weak
[16:17] <dax> or, as we say it in the USA, "SAD!"
[19:25] <ohlolz> omg i need so much help because my upgrade to 16.04 doesnt work but cant send text to channel
[19:26] <ohlolz> help me
[19:26] <ikonia> you know why
[19:26] <ohlolz> i waited from 14.04
[19:26] <ohlolz> my pc doenst start anymore
[19:27] <ikonia> you know why you can't access #ubuntu
[19:27] <ohlolz> ikonia: why are you being so rude to me
[19:27] <ohlolz> i hardly visit #ubuntu
[19:27] <ikonia> I'm not being rude
[19:27] <ohlolz> i need so much help now
[19:27] <ohlolz> more than ever
[19:27] <ikonia> what other nicknames do you use
[19:27] <ohlolz> you are making my ubuntu experience very unpleasant
[19:28] <ikonia> what other nicknames do you use
[19:28] <ohlolz> i'm thinking of trying debian now
[19:28] <ikonia> what other nicknames do you use
[19:28] <ohlolz> i dont remember
[19:28] <ohlolz> i was asking your age
[19:28] <ohlolz> because you are so strict
[19:28] <ikonia> you where asking my age ?
[19:28] <ohlolz> that was all
[19:29] <ohlolz> they told me it's offtopic
[19:29] <ohlolz> it was like a week ago
[19:29] <ohlolz> i was unvoiced
[19:29] <ikonia> I'm pretty sure thats not what happened
[19:29] <ikonia> without your other nickname we can't help
[19:30] <ohlolz> maybe ddd333
[19:31] <ohlolz> they told me i'd have no problem with 16.04 i can't even start my new pc
[19:31] <ikonia> we do not do support here
[19:31] <ohlolz> so unvoice me
[19:32] <ikonia> you are
[19:32] <ohlolz> i can't send text to #ubuntu. are you trolling me?
[19:32] <ikonia> no
[19:32] <ikonia> you're banned from ubuntu
[19:33] <ikonia> I'm trying to find the details
[19:33] <ikonia> but sadly as you don't know your nickname we can't help
[19:33] <ohlolz> "ddd333" did you try that one?
[19:33] <ikonia> yes
[19:33] <ohlolz> i think it was k1l_ who banned me
[19:34] <ohlolz> unban my ip then
[19:34] <ohlolz> do you realize how strict you are with all this happening to me?
[19:34] <ohlolz> the debian guys dont get mad so easily
[19:35] <ikonia> then use debian
[19:35] <ohlolz> i will
[19:35] <ikonia> ok
[22:27] <joshua1234> have you fags finally gotten a life and something else to do than bully people on irc
[22:29] <joshua1234> you can read wow
[22:32]  * dax shrugs


[01:06] <crimsun> mjg59: (RE: #41015, #44066) yes, that's what I thought as well, since that's what the source in ac97_codec.c does, which is how -21- functioned. Note that the reporter of #41015 says that -21- has the bug whereas -22- fixed it. On the other hand, #44066 reports that -21- worked fine, but -22- broke the LED. And for kickers, they all have /identical/ sub{vendor,device} ids.
[01:09] <mjg59> crimsun: Right, but what change was there between -21 and -22?
[01:10] <mjg59> The only thing I can think of is that my magic quirk was broken and didn't do the headphones properly
[01:11] <crimsun> mjg59: I replaced AC97_TUNE_HP_MUTE_LED for 0x103c0934 with AC97_TUNE_HP_ONLY (which clearly explains #44066)
[01:12] <mjg59> crimsun: Right, but why was TUNE_HP_MUTE_LED not sufficient?
[01:13] <mjg59> HO_MUTE_LED is supposed to do what TUNE_HP_ONLY does
[01:13] <mjg59> If it's not, then that's the bug
[01:13] <crimsun> mjg59: that's what I can't figure out, since the code in ac97_codec.c clearly indicates that things _should_ work
[01:13] <mjg59> If there's no difference between them, then the submitter is on crack
[01:14] <crimsun> mjg59: right, I've reopened #41015 and asked for more information
[01:14] <mjg59> Ok, thanks
[01:14] <mjg59> It's known that over suspend/resume recent HPs seem to stop running the speakers
[01:15] <mjg59> I don't /think/ that's due to the TUNE_HP_MUTE_LED thing
[01:15] <crimsun> no, I'm pretty certain it's not
[01:18] <mjg59> The headphones still work, but, well
[01:18] <mjg59> And the ac97 registers are identical
[01:18] <mjg59> Which makes debugging it pain
[04:06] <crimsun> BenC: #44283 is legitimate, please merge http://hg-mirror.alsa-project.org/alsa-kernel?cmd=changeset;node=820fd69dc0f3a57236c7c7942cbd28a4bb9eae19;style=gitweb
[05:24] <BenC> crimsun: ok
[05:25] <crimsun> BenC: thanks!
[02:41] <zul> heylo
[04:46] <zul> wq
[04:46] <zul> damn
[05:02] <zul> BenC: having fun writing documentation?
[05:16] <BenC> not really :)
[05:47] <BenC> mjg59: ping
[05:49] <mjg59> BenC: Hi
[05:49] <BenC> mjg59: You have a Core Duo macbook, right?
[05:49] <mjg59> BenC: Nope
[05:49] <mjg59> I have a core duo Sony
[05:49] <mjg59> And an imac
[05:49] <BenC> ok, core duo is all I need
[05:50] <BenC> can you see if you can confirm https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/43281 somehow?
[05:50] <BenC> according to the report, core duo's hmm at low power state because of CONFIG_HZ=1000
[05:50] <BenC> hum
[05:51] <mjg59> It's nothing to do with core duos
[05:52] <BenC> it claims Core Duo Mac's and Core Duo Dell's
[05:52] <mjg59> It's poor quality capacitors
[05:52] <mjg59> Well, poor quality power regulation
[05:52] <BenC> should I bother with it?
[05:52] <mjg59> Do you want the overhead of supporting another binary? :)
[05:53] <BenC> no, not really :)
[05:53] <mjg59> Then I wouldn't bother
[06:37] <BenC> mjg59: Seems the problem with the latest bcm43xx isn't that it doesn't detect my chip, it's that it isn't initializing it correctly
[06:38] <BenC> hw addr is showing up as FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF
[06:38] <BenC> thought it might be some change in fw, but re-ripping fw with latest fw-cutter didn't help
[06:38] <BenC> bringing up the interface didn't help either
[06:43] <mjg59> BenC: Ah. There was a patch that was supposed to improve the mac address detection - it may have collided with the pcie patch
[06:43] <mjg59> Which could lead to it never setting the mac address at all. Hang on, I'll take a look
[06:44] <BenC> ok
[06:44] <BenC> there was some collision with your patch and current code, I thought I had made things proper
[06:47] <mjg59> BenC: Yeah, it loks ok
[06:47] <mjg59> I'd look around line 3488 or so
[06:49] <mjg59> Can you dump the different sprom macs and see which one it ought to be picking?
[06:49] <mjg59> Oh, does the interface come up at all (just with a silly mac address)
[06:50] <BenC> well, I didn't try much further after I saw the mac hosed
[06:51] <BenC> I wouldn't expect it to work well in that state anyway
[06:51] <mjg59> Well, that elts us know whether it's just the mac address or whether the entire card is hosed
[06:52] <BenC> let me see what this shows
[06:59] <BenC> mjg59: Well, it lets me set all the wireless opts I have, and it sees the ap's mac address, but no link
[07:00] <mjg59> BenC: Ok, so it sounds like it's just the mac address
[07:00] <BenC> it uses the first eth address (et1macaddr)
[07:01] <mjg59> Is that valid?
[07:01] <BenC> I need to print it out, because if is_valid_ether_addr() returns ok, then that should not be FF's
[07:01] <mjg59> Yeah
[07:05] <BenC> disconnectiont coming...
[07:10] <BenC> ok, is_multicast_ether_addr() was broken
[07:10] <BenC> so is_valid_ether_addr() was returning true for FF's
[07:10] <mjg59> Ah
[07:10] <BenC> I copied is_multicast_ether_addr from <IP_ADDRESS> and now bcm43xx works
[07:10] <mjg59> Yes, that would explain things
[07:10] <mjg59> Cool
[07:12] <alex_joni> hello
[07:13] <alex_joni> need some help running debuild on a linux-source source package
[07:14] <alex_joni> I added an ADEOS patch to debian/patches/ , and debuild started working ok, compiled most (all?) it needed, but then errored out:
[07:14] <BenC> which linux-source are you trying to build?
[07:15] <alex_joni> linux-source-2.6.12 from breezy
[07:15] <alex_joni> hello BenC, I was the one mailing you the other day.. :)
[07:15] <BenC> what's the error?
[07:15] <alex_joni> can I paste the error in here? or should I use pastebin (4 lines)
[07:15] <BenC> 4 lines is ok
[07:15] <alex_joni> +vmlinux zone_table 0x00000000
[07:15] <alex_joni> make: *** [build]  Error 1
[07:15] <alex_joni> debuild: fatal error at line 765:
[07:15] <alex_joni> dpkg-buildpackage failed!
[07:16] <BenC> you have an ABI bump
[07:16] <alex_joni> got advice what I should do?
[07:16] <BenC> echo "Yes" > debian/abi/i386.ignore
[07:17] <alex_joni> then run debuild again?
[07:17] <BenC> mjg59: If I make a kernel-acpi team in lp, can I make you head honcho? :)
[07:17] <BenC> alex_joni: yeah
[07:17] <alex_joni> BenC: thanks
[07:18] <mjg59> BenC: Heh
[07:18] <mjg59> BenC: Sure
[07:18] <BenC> I'm trying to create some teams related to kernel bugs
[07:22] <zul> ooh...i wanna be on a team ;)
[07:23] <lamont> BenC: pretty please on the CONFIG_ACPI_DEBUG=y for debian/config/ia64/config?  and when will a new kernel hit the archive?
[07:23] <lamont> BenC: and then I have a stupid sparc question for you...
[07:23] <BenC> lamont: Yeah, I'll do that...hopefully be upload in the next day or so
[07:24] <lamont> given a CD in the drive, and an 'ok' prompt on the serial console, how do I boot from the CD?
[07:24] <zul> boot cdrom
[07:24] <lamont> danke
[07:24] <BenC> yeah, that was a stupid sparc question :)
[07:25] <BenC> lamont: this acpi thing you are working on for ia64, is that related to the ACPI oops I see at every boot where it disables the ACPI irq?
[07:26] <lamont> BenC: the specific issue for ia64 is that udevplug dies opening the acpi event sysfs file (kernel oops), so you don't boot
[07:27] <BenC> what I get is an IRQ unhandled event, and it disables the IRQ that ACPI is on, so ACPI is disabled
[07:27] <BenC> crimsun: ping
[07:28] <lamont> BenC: ouch.  that might be happening earlier in the boot, dunno.. which arch for you?
[07:29] <BenC> itanium
[07:29] <lamont> ah, ok.  malone 40286, iirc.
[07:29] <BenC> it happens very early in boot, prior to initramfs actually
[07:39] <alex_joni> BenC: got 2 minutes to look at http://pastebin.com/713846 ? , I'm compiling for the xth time today.. hope I didn't forget anything ..
[07:40] <lamont> neet.  sparc box powers itself off if you leave it at that 'ok' prompt long enough.
[07:44] <crimsun> BenC: pong
[07:44] <BenC> crimsun: can you add ubuntu-kernel-team as a member of ubuntu-audio?
[07:44] <BenC> do you have admin for that team?
[07:45] <crimsun> sure
[07:45] <BenC> thanks
[07:45] <BenC> alex_joni: looks good
[07:46] <alex_joni> BenC: ok, thanks..
[07:50] <lamont> grumble
[07:50] <lamont> so after I type 'boot cdrom' it says "ok "
[07:55] <zul> thats should work
[07:56] <zul> unless there is something wrong with the openrom
[07:57] <BenC> lamont: It doesn't spit out a message?
[07:58] <BenC> What type of sparc is it?
[08:01] <lamont> Sun Blade 1000 (2 X UltraSPARC-III) , No Keyboard
[08:02] <lamont> screen not found.
[08:02] <lamont> keyboard not found.
[08:02] <lamont> Keyboard not present.  Using ttya for input and output.
[08:02] <lamont> Sun Blade 1000 (2 X UltraSPARC-III) , No Keyboard
[08:02] <lamont> OpenBoot 4.0, 8192 MB memory installed, Serial #16453963.
[08:02] <lamont> Ethernet address 8:0:20:fb:11:4b, Host ID: 80fb114b.
[08:02] <lamont> {0} ok boot cdrom
[08:02] <lamont> Boot device: /pci@8,700000/scsi@6/disk@6,0:f  File and args:
[08:02] <lamont> SILO Version 1.4.10
[08:02] <lamont> Fast Data Access MMU Miss
[08:02] <lamont> {0} ok
[08:03] <lamont> mind you, it could be a broken SB1000... or loose cables, or ....
[08:03] <zul> i think i have seen that before there was a bug in launchpad
[08:03] <lamont> something like yesterday's daily
[08:06] <lamont> ok.. how do I tell it to boot from <IP_ADDRESS>?
[08:06] <zul> not sure :(
[08:15] <BenC> you can netboot a tftp image
[08:15] <BenC> boot net
[08:15] <BenC> just need to setup rarpd and tftp
[08:16] <maswan> BenC: btw, out of curiosity, how far away would a debug package with vmlinux for oprofile, etc, be away for the distribution kernels?
[08:16] <BenC> probably something for edgy
[08:17] <BenC> if you are interested in seeing it happe, write a spec for it in lp so it can be discussed at the distro sprint in June
[08:18] <maswan> Well, looking forward to se it, so I guess. :)
[08:18] <lamont> no dhcp/bootp eh? feh.
[08:19] <BenC> you'll need the ether address in /etc/ethers
[08:20] <BenC> and the filename will need to be the ip address in hexformat, plus SUN4U
[08:20] <BenC> actually, no SUN4U
[08:20] <BenC> mine is: C0A80117
[08:21] <BenC> you can usually just do the netboot and watch /var/log/daemon.log for the filename it is requesting
[08:21] <lamont> hrm... how do I get stop+a on a serial console?
[08:21] <BenC> send a serial break
[08:22] <BenC> ^A f
[08:22] <BenC> in minicom
[08:25] <lamont> and there is booting.
[08:27] <lamont> hardware shut off just short of finishing the download... hrm.. wonder if it has overtemp issues....
[08:28] <BenC> sounds like it...the "power off at ok prompt" isn't usual of ultrasparc either
[08:28] <BenC> could be a loose power plug or something too
[08:30] <lamont> CPU casings seem rather warm...
[08:32] <BenC> lamont: preference of the ubuntu hppa team being ubuntu-hppa or ubuntu-parisc?
[08:32] <alex_joni> lamont: what's the mac of the eth ?
[08:32] <lamont> hppa
[08:32] <BenC> lamont: it's the IP address in hex, not the mac
[08:32] <lamont> oh, doh
[08:33] <cjb> lamont: Silly you.  People represent IP addresses in hex all the time, I don't know how you could possibly have missed that.  ;-)
[08:34] <BenC> hehe
[08:35] <lamont> local mirrors are nice for installs.
[08:35] <lamont> hrm... 2 ea 9.1 GB hard drives... to raid, or not to raid.
[08:35] <BenC> not to raid
[08:36] <BenC> silo is very fickle about raids :)
[08:36] <lamont> ah, good point
[08:37] <lamont> does it need a silo partition or such?
[08:37] <BenC> nah
[08:37] <alex_joni> BenC: got another error from debuild, it was building udebs I think, and it complained that 'fan' the module is missing
[08:37] <BenC> lamont: just make sure not to delete the 3rd partition (Whole Disk)
[08:37] <lamont> so just give it a nice / and toss /home on sdb, eh>?
[08:38] <lamont> uh...
[08:38] <BenC> it's needed for Sun Disk Label foo
[08:38] <BenC> yeah
[08:38] <lamont> in the partitioner, told it to wipe the disk
[08:38] <lamont> was that bad?
[08:38] <BenC> nah, that should be good
[08:38] <BenC> it knows
[08:38] <BenC> alex_joni: just do debian/rules binary-debs
[08:39] <alex_joni> BenC: the patch I installed is not compatible with ACPI, so those modules are turned off
[08:39] <BenC> alex_joni: a full debuild isn't going to be useful unless you need the udeb's to create a bootable CD or something
[08:39] <alex_joni> BenC: that's exactly what I am after, the udebs
[08:39] <lamont> BenC: is there a debian/rules invocation to just build one flavor?  (besides just nuking the unwanted arch/config.flavor?
[08:39] <alex_joni> is there a way to see what modules it expects?
[08:39] <BenC> alex_joni: otherwise edit files in debian/d-i/
[08:39] <alex_joni> ok.. looking
[08:39] <BenC> lamont: debian/rules binary-debs flavours=686
[08:40] <lamont> ah, ok
[08:40] <BenC> that leaves the debs in debian/build/
[08:41] <alex_joni> BenC: any way to run debian/rules binary-debs or udebs without having it recompile all?
[08:41] <BenC> alex_joni: don't use debuild :)
[08:41] <alex_joni> OK, thx
[08:43] <BenC> or pass -nc so it doesn't do a full clean/build
[08:43] <BenC> it will just start the build from where it left off (atleast dpkg-buildpackage does)
[08:44] <alex_joni> debuild -nc ?
[08:44] <alex_joni> or debian/rules -nc ?
[08:44] <lamont> debuild
[08:47] <BenC> lamont: You get the distinct privledge of owning two kernel arch teams :)
[08:47] <lamont> I feel so proud
[08:48] <BenC> will make it easier to assign bugs during the upcoming kernel hug day
[08:48] <lamont> thanks
[08:48] <lamont> note that I need that ia64 "fix" before I can do much with ia64...
[08:48] <BenC> I'll have it in the next kernel upload
[08:48] <lamont> anyone actually finding the bug is welcome to provide a real fix...
[08:49] <BenC> almost wish I could reproduce it, but maybe with the debug enabled I can atleast fix my acpi bug aswell
[08:54] <alex_joni> BenC: any idea what 'find: lib: No such file or directory' means?
[08:54] <BenC> no idea
[08:55] <alex_joni> :( debian/rules binary-udebs fails with that message
[09:02] <lamont> hehehe... it wants to know what xorg driver to use on this headless box
[09:03] <lamont> eventually
[09:03] <lamont> maybe.
[09:23] <alex_joni> did you guys ever use module-assistent ?
[09:27] <zul> nope
[09:52] <alex_joni> I meant module-assistant
[09:56] <lamont> why would SIOCSIFADDDR return EPERM, I wonder
[09:59] <zul> i blame foobared
[10:15] <alex_joni> anyone knows where the debian-installer package is?
[10:16] <alex_joni> nm, found it..
[10:48] <lamont> hrm.. and here I thought 3GB was a good amount for /...
[10:50] <lamont> fabbione: if you poke your nose in, machine is happy


[00:10] <jono> pleia2, little disappointed that Ubuntu Accomplishments 0.2 was not included in the UWN
[00:10] <jono> it was quite a big release
[00:11] <jono> no biggie though
[00:11] <pleia2> jono: sorry, can you let us know when there are important ones? We try to include them every week but on weeks like this when the planet section is already quite long we have to drop some :(
[00:12] <jono> pleia2, I understand, I get not including all the development updates ones I did, I was just a bit surprised that a new release blog entry was not included...but like i say, no biggie
[00:12] <pleia2> there are accomplishments posts most week, so I don't really know which are the important ones
[00:12] <pleia2> s/most week/most weeks
[00:13] <pleia2> but yeah, just let us know and we'll try to do a better job :)
[00:17] <jono> pleia2, oh, don't see this as anything of a big deal :-)
[00:17] <jono> pleia2, you folks do an incredible job with UWN
[00:18] <jono> I am just a publicity addict, lol
[00:18] <paultag> jono: they are on a wiki ;)
[00:18] <jono> paultag, I know, but I don't want to go and invade somebody else's space
[00:18] <paultag> pushing up a new item on the next week's page would be well recieved, I think :)
[00:18] <jono> mhall119, hey, I just did a special tutorial for how to build the web browser
[00:18] <jono> paultag, cool
[00:18] <pleia2> paultag: actually, we use a google doc for "in progress" stuff
[00:19] <paultag> pleia2: when did that happen, man, I've been away for a while
[00:19] <pleia2> but anyone can always swing by #ubuntu-news to say "this is important, please include" or post to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:19] <pleia2> paultag: since a lot of people can't log into the wiki :\
[00:19] <jono> paultag, so you are a prolific programmer, planning on writing an app for the contest?
[00:19] <paultag> jono: heh, I'm a bit busy, but I'll be watching to see what goes on :)
[00:19] <jono> cool :-)
[00:19] <jono> nice to see people interested in writing apps
[00:19] <pleia2> we tried using etherpads too, but they tended to be too unreliable (I don't love using the google doc, but here we are)
[00:19] <paultag> I'm waiting for someone to write me my lens idea
[00:20] <paultag> but alas, no one got into it
[00:20] <bkerensa> paultag: working on lots of RC bugs in Debian ;)
[00:20] <bkerensa> ?
[00:20] <paultag> bkerensa: that's right
[00:20] <bkerensa> nice ;)
[00:20] <paultag> it's getting chilly over in Debian
[00:20] <paultag> almost time for a freeze
[00:20] <bkerensa> indeed... we had a BSP on Saturday
[00:20] <bkerensa> Focused on RC's that will benefit Ubuntu
[00:21] <paultag> any RC will benefit Ubuntu
[00:21] <bkerensa> :P not if we dont use the package? :P
[00:21] <paultag> which packages don't get sunk?
[00:21] <paultag> besides the handful of blacklisted packages
[00:22] <pleia2> bkerensa: actually, the sooner all the RCs get fixed, the shorter the freeze and ubuntu can pull fresh packages again :)
[00:22] <pleia2> so fix ALL the RCs!
[00:22] <paultag> pleia2++
[00:22] <bkerensa> ;p
[00:22] <pleia2> bkerensa: online bsp or real life with awesome pics? :)
[00:23] <bkerensa> pleia2: irl... but I didnt take any pics... photo taking does not seem to be a popular thing ;)
[00:23] <pleia2> aw
[00:24] <paultag> blah
[00:24] <bkerensa> wait.. I do have one but it was a horrible panoramic
[00:24] <bkerensa> :D
[00:24] <paultag> even in the middle of Ohio we took photos :)
[00:24] <bkerensa> we did have 20+ people though
[00:24] <pleia2> nice
[00:24] <bkerensa> http://udd.debian.org/bugs.cgi?release=wheezy_and_sid&fnewer=&fnewerval=7&rc=1 <-- needs love
[00:24] <bkerensa> and bagels!
[00:25] <bkerensa> paultag: you going to Nicaragua?
[00:25] <paultag> bkerensa: NACK. I'm busy with work. I might go to DC13, though.
[00:42] <bkerensa> pleia2: was your con good?
[00:48] <pleia2> bkerensa: very good :)
[00:49] <pleia2> and intimidating, don knuth, vint cerf, ken thompson and lots of other major people in one room!
[00:50] <bkerensa> pleia2: did you get to meet vint?
[00:50] <pleia2> the R S and A of RSA were all there too, it was like crypto bingo!
[00:50] <bkerensa> heh
[00:50] <pleia2> no, but my fiance works with him from time to time so there will be a more appropriate meeting opportunity at some point
[00:50] <bkerensa> nice
[00:51] <bkerensa> ACM is a good org
[00:51] <pleia2> yeah
[00:52] <pleia2> quite academic for a poor uneducated sap like me, but I do ok :)
[00:56] <bkerensa> The local ACM chapter wanted me to do a talk on Ubuntu a few months back but scheduling conflicts =/
[00:56] <pleia2> aw
[00:57] <bkerensa> I also need to hit up toastmasters some :P
[00:59] <pleia2> I just scheduled my next Ubuntu talk for the Intro to Linux class at ITT Tech
[00:59] <pleia2> they are always a fun group to talk to
[01:00] <pleia2> very practical :)
[06:34] <dpm> good morning all
[06:37] <bkerensa> morning
[06:42] <hobgoblin> morning
[06:43] <nigelb> *groan*
[06:44] <dpm> morning bkerensa, hobgoblin and nigelb :)
[07:06] <dholbach> good morning
[07:11] <nigelb> dholbach: Morning! What phone did you eventually get?
[07:11] <dholbach> nigelb, an old school phone
[07:12] <dholbach> a Nokia C2 something
[07:12] <nigelb> Awesome :)
[07:12] <nigelb> I have a Sony Ericsson old school phone too.
[07:12] <nigelb> The only "fancy" thing it does is radio
[07:12] <dholbach> it did what my old phone did and if I'm clever enough to let it get as wet as the old phone I'm sure it'll survive :)
[07:12] <nigelb> heh
[07:13] <dholbach> on the weekend we had a party, where we camped outside Berlin at a lake - and I assume the phone got wet theree
[07:13] <nigelb> oh fun.
[07:13] <hobgoblin> sounds good
[07:13] <nigelb> and where did all the san in your apartment come from?
[07:13] <dholbach> it was absolutely awesome
[07:13] <nigelb> *sand
[07:15] <dholbach> from the shore of the lake - we camped directly at the lake, barbecued there, I DJed for a couple of hours and those of us who weren't too tired watched the sun go up over the lake
[07:16] <dholbach> if it wasn't for a bit of organisation, I could do this every weekend :)
[07:16] <hobgoblin> I used to do similar every weekend without organisation ;)
[07:17] <nigelb> heh
[07:17] <nigelb> where'd you get the power for your DJ stuff?
[07:17] <hobgoblin> 20km extension lead nigelb :p
[07:17] <nigelb> hahaha
[07:18] <dholbach> it was part of a larger camp site, so we got power from them - I think the extension cord was like 25m or something :)
[07:21] <hobgoblin> cheat :)
[07:25] <czajkowski> morning
[07:26] <hobgoblin> morning czajkowski
[07:26] <dholbach> hobgoblin, what did you want me to say? "We generated our own power!"? :-P
[07:26] <hobgoblin> absolutely :D
[07:27] <nigelb> I kinda hoped you guys had a whiskey-powered generator or something :P
[07:27] <hobgoblin> not me - we just had whisky
[07:28] <dholbach> there was a bit of whiskey, luckily not too much
[07:31] <bkerensa> :D
[07:31] <nigelb> "not to much whiskey" <-- this is never lucky
[07:34] <hobgoblin> depends nigelb ;)
[07:34] <nigelb> heh
[08:00] <czajkowski> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1014896 ouchies
[08:00] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1014896 in launchpad "Person:EntryResource:getMembersByStatus timeouts" [Critical,Triaged]
[08:03] <AlanBell> jono is breaking launchpad
[08:03] <czajkowski> with style :)
[09:58] <daker> Michael Dell in Casablanca, that's a good news ツ
[11:59] <jcastro> "I wish Canonical would enforce stricter UI guidelines. This app looks much more native than their own Ubuntu One app."
[11:59] <jcastro> dpm: nice job!
[12:04] <czajkowski> jcastro: ping (third time lucky hopefully)
[12:04] <jcastro> hi
[12:04] <jcastro> otp
[12:05] <czajkowski> jcastro: when I got to create a AU and answer it I keep getting Oops! Your question couldn't be submitted because:
[12:05] <czajkowski> body is missing
[12:05] <czajkowski> what do I need to put in there as answering it myself further down
[12:10] <jcastro> well you need to ask the question in the title and body
[12:10] <jcastro> and then at the bottom there is a checkbox "answer my own question"
[12:10] <jcastro> and then you can post an answer at the same time
[12:24] <czajkowski> jcastro: ah so not in the the title area
[12:26] <czajkowski> hmmm
[12:26] <czajkowski> still having issues
[12:26] <czajkowski> It does not meet our quality standards.
[12:26] <czajkowski> would have all the FAQs put on LP by now :/
[12:29] <jcastro> Ok
[12:29] <jcastro> so in the title you put your question
[12:30] <jcastro> and then in the body you have to explain the question
[12:30] <czajkowski> that does seem a bit pointless but ok
[12:30] <jcastro> if you're hitting the quality filter it's likely too short
[12:30] <czajkowski> aye 30 characters
[12:38] <dpm> thanks jcastro :)
[12:43] <jcastro> czajkowski: did that work?
[12:45] <czajkowski> jcastro: aye just got one in http://askubuntu.com/questions/153037/commissioning-never-completes/153038#153038
[12:45] <czajkowski> these are the FAQ the red squad have either done or get asked so adding them to AU
[12:45] <czajkowski> so I know they are right as the lads all answered them
[12:45] <czajkowski> ;)
[12:45] <czajkowski> jcastro: thanks for the help it's really not a nice system to use :/
[12:47] <jcastro> you don't have much reputation, it's a spam measure that is unfortunately necessarry
[12:48] <czajkowski> fair enough just makes it kinda hard but tis done now and have a few more to go
[12:48] <czajkowski> and have posted to the dev ml to get some more folks to suggest FAQ
[12:48] <czajkowski> will be putting another -4 up there today
[12:48] <czajkowski> and getting any other mass ones answered
[12:51] <jcastro> czajkowski: tomorrow or whatever you can accept the answers for them
[12:51] <jcastro> czajkowski: also, you can encourage people to submit fixes to your answers if they need it.
[12:52] <czajkowski> nods okthanks
[12:52] <jcastro> I think when you hit 100 or so the restrictions will lift on asking the questions
[12:53] <jcastro> well, except for the quality ones, those are for everyone
[12:53] <jcastro> but just try to explain in the body more I guess
[13:02] <cjohnston> mornin
[13:24] <czajkowski> jcastro: cheers, bit baffled as to the edits gone in there, someone deleted a line and wronte the exact line again
[13:25] <czajkowski> *wrote
[13:25] <czajkowski> jcastro: oh that was you
[13:25] <czajkowski> I dont get it
[13:25] <czajkowski> :s
[13:25] <jcastro> I think I just added whitespace?
[13:25] <jcastro> and some formatting for the filename
[13:27] <czajkowski> hmm ok
[14:51] <nigelb> mhall119: woops, no jono for the session.
[14:51] <mhall119> he'd better show
[14:51] <nigelb> heh
[14:53] <dholbach> hi jono
[14:53] <nigelb> aha there he is!
[14:53] <jono> hey dholbach
[14:53] <mhall119> jono: dpm: I created the hangout, but it's not broadcasting yet
[14:53] <jono> nigelb, eh?
[14:53] <jono> mhall119, ok, will be two mins
[14:53] <nigelb> jono: can you join the classroom channels too. The bot just complained about you not being there :)
[14:56] <dpm_> mhall119, can you post the URL to the hangout?
[14:56] <dpm_> or alternatively update the /classroom page and I'll fetch it from there
[14:57] <jono> nigelb, there now
[14:57] <nigelb> thanks :)
[14:58] <mhall119> dpm_: jono: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/de894affe3162108fdd3bf0b3631f8b0118fc674?authuser=0&hl=en
[14:59] <dpm_> thanks mhall119
[14:59] <dpm_> jono, I'll join in to help feed the questions
[15:19] <czajkowski> what keeps happening the desktop?
[15:19] <mhall119> czajkowski: ?
[15:19] <mhall119> you mean the desktop-within-the-desktop?
[15:20] <czajkowski> within the desktop within the desktop :)
[15:21] <mhall119> yeah, he's sharing his screen that contains the video of him sharing the screen, hangout-inception :)
[15:21] <czajkowski> mhall119: dpm_ http://blog.launchpad.net/  may want to link that to folks, lets them know the new features coming up
[15:21] <czajkowski> including all our new bug features that are coming or have just landed
[15:21] <mhall119> czajkowski: you can post it in -classroom-chat
[15:21] <dpm_> czajkowski, ok, will point Jono to it
[15:21] <czajkowski> mhall119: in the middle of PPA stff here sorry
[15:40] <czajkowski> oh I just know tomorrow I'm gonna have a ton of questions in my inbox after people created new projects/teams
[15:40] <czajkowski> when things dont go right
[15:47] <mhall119> dpm_: are you going to be around to help during my sessions?
[15:47] <dpm_> mhall119, happy to be, sure
[15:47] <mhall119> thanks
[15:48] <dpm_> I might just have a break on the second one
[15:53] <dpm_> a rocking start to the 2nd workshop days, good work jono for the session and mhall119 for setting it up!
[15:54] <jono> thanks dpm, mhall119
[15:54] <dpm_> mhall119, as soon as you've got the hangout URL, let me know and I'll post on FB and G+ pointing people to d.u.c/w/classroom and your session
[16:09] <jcastro> <-- lunching
[16:32] <dholbach> alright - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[18:41] <mhall119> where did jono go?
[18:42] <bkerensa> mhall119: maybe catching a bite for lunch? :) tis noon on the west coast
[18:54] <nigelb> mhall119: jono disappeared again?
[18:54] <mhall119> seems o
[18:54] <mhall119> so
[19:06] <jussi> o/
[19:58] <mhall119> jono: hey, do you want to do the Developer Q+A with me
[19:58] <mhall119> ?
[20:01] <jono> mhall119, sure, one sec
[20:13] <czajkowski> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GreekTeam/ReApprovalApplication2012  one of the most amazing applications I've seen in a long time by the Greek LoCo
[21:02] <mhall119> czajkowski: wow, that is nicely done
[21:02] <czajkowski> aye
[21:03] <czajkowski> mhall119: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChileanTeam/ReApprovalApplication2012  2 years post earth quake!
[21:05] <mhall119> we have some awesome teams
[21:05] <mhall119> (hopes czajkowski approves of using 'awesome' in this case)
[21:06] <czajkowski> :)
[21:06] <czajkowski> amazing :)
[21:06] <mhall119> :)
[21:07] <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-qc/events/history that is some list of activities!!
[21:16] <greg-g> all teams approved this LoCo Council meeting!
[21:17] <czajkowski> busy meeting
[21:18] <czajkowski> 4 down 26 more to do
[21:18] <czajkowski> busy cycle
[21:22] <greg-g> :)
[21:23] <bkerensa> quack
[21:32] <SergioMeneses> bkerensa, jajaja
[21:32] <SergioMeneses> I didn't know the quack thing =/
[21:33] <SergioMeneses> czajkowski, It was a great meeting!
[21:34] <bkerensa> SergioMeneses: Surely you have ducks in Colombia? :)
[21:35] <SergioMeneses> bkerensa, yes, we have... but I don't understand the context
[21:35] <SergioMeneses> xD
[21:35] <SergioMeneses> It was fun, really
[21:40] <czajkowski> sometimes things just don't translate well
[21:40] <czajkowski> plus in a meeting it kinda is distracting as well
[21:45] <czajkowski> mhall119: jcastro https://lists.launchpad.net/launchpad-dev/msg09472.html  one to keep an eye on
[21:48]  * ajmitch likes the look of being able to set up a local lp environment a bit easier
[21:54] <bkerensa> SergioMeneses: Oregon's state bird is a Duck (Because we have a lot compared to the rest of the country) and State Animal is a Beaver.... Our two largest university's also use the two animals as mascots :) OSU (Of Kernel.org fame) is the Beavers and OU is Ducks and each year we have a Civil War (Football game) and the entire state draws division lines around which team they root for :)
[21:57] <bkerensa> also UO entered into a agreement with Walt Disney to use Donald Duck in their mascot :) it was some sort of handshake deal but Disney has allowed them to use Donald for years :)
[22:08] <SergioMeneses> bkerensa, thanks for the information! :)
[22:08]  * SergioMeneses : quack!