[02:26] <keithzg> Hmmm well the 5.19.0-23 kernel seems to have made my desktop stable under Plasma/X11 . . . or it could be that I've left Latte Dock unlaunched and compositing disabled (or even a dark horse variable entirely separate from the top three contenders)
[02:26] <keithzg> I have narrowed down the possibility space: slightly ;)
[02:29] <keithzg> (Signal is failing to draw reliably but I mean that's an Electron app I don't want to worry about the number of variables THAT adds to this experiment!)
[02:30] <valorie> I don't keep it running, that's for sure
[02:47] <Roey> hi
[02:47] <Roey> how can I get locate working again?
[02:47] <Roey> it's not producing any results for me
 Q I G
 Eduardp, you may be interested in KDE Neon, it has Plasma as you wish, and is based upon LTS Ubuntu releases.
[06:24] <noot> o/
 Hello I am new to kubuntu os, what is the best way to install apps on kubuntu os
 Either the software centre or a better option apt in my opinion
 Either the software centre or a better option apt in my opinion (re @michael: Hello I am new to kubuntu os, what is the best way to install apps on kubuntu os)
[10:49] <guruprasad> You can also install apps using distro-agnostic package managers like flatpaks, snaps, appimages etc.
[12:56] <dagoar> cd
[13:31] <AssociateX> I'm trying to use Dolphin to convert *.webp videos to mp3, but I'm not seeing the conversion option. A right click on the video file should show a menu that contains an option called "Actions" or "More Actions" or something like that, but it's not there. I have audiokonverter installed.
[13:40] <AssociateX> *.webm*
[13:53] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 CG5E (re @join_captcha_bot: )


[16:16]  * wrst looks around to see if anyone is home
[18:51]  * cyberanger suggets wrst look further
[19:00] <wrst> cyberanger: i found someone it seems
[19:02] <cyberanger> Good, cause I left a note on the door, "I'm not home, but come inside for some cookies." I was pretty sure those cookies were gonna be wasted
[19:07] <wrst> ha
[19:07] <wrst> cyberanger: ever looked at pfsense before?
[19:07]  * wrst awaits swissknife-router but thinks he might need a router quicker
[19:09] <cyberanger> yes, I have, and swissknife-router has had that core code done awhile ago
[19:10] <cyberanger> the issues now is stability in older 386 hardware (which this week I decided had to be a bug with no plan to fix, due to dropped kernel support)
[19:10] <cyberanger> what's the issue anyway?
[19:12] <cyberanger> I mean, most people don't just go, I need a new router, lets try pfsense
[19:58] <wrst> cyberanger: i'm just tired of piddly little cheap routers that don't last long
[19:58] <wrst> my thought is build a machine with pfsense, then have a decent switch and an access point for wireless?
[19:58] <wrst> your thoughts?
[22:08] <cyberanger> wrst: that's almost exactly what I've done
[22:09] <cyberanger> so yeah, two Gigabit nic's, a Gigabit switch or hub (I prefer hubs for personal use, managed switches for a client) and a higher end AP


[10:18] <NRWlion> hi
[15:23] <NRWlion> hi there!
[15:23] <holstein> NRWlion: o/
[15:23]  * holstein is off today
[15:23] <NRWlion> hey holstein
[15:23] <NRWlion> have a good one
[15:23] <holstein> i hope to knock out a few summaries :)
[15:24] <NRWlion> i am dicking through my desk to clear it from a what has been put there from my colleagues
[15:25] <NRWlion> but if i could help, i would try to do so
[15:26] <holstein> NRWlion: theres always time :)
[15:27] <NRWlion> holstein i know ;)
[22:53] <NRWlion> hey there


[01:31] <zul> heylo
[03:03] <mjg59> BenC: Hmm. The bcm driver still seems to need a little handholding.
[03:04] <mjg59> BenC: Any chance of us being able to get an update?
[04:17] <BenC> mjg59: Updated it not too long ago, but I can always do another
[04:18] <mjg59> BenC: Ok
[04:18] <mjg59> BenC: I need to set the channel manually right now, and also need to limit it to 11M by hand
[04:32] <dilinger> yeesh
[04:32] <dilinger> dilinger@throat:~$ w
[04:32] <dilinger>  22:32:06 up 17 min,  3 users,  load average: 10.46, 10.69, 6.68
[04:33] <dilinger> BenC: any idea why a cp between an AMD8111 device and a 3w-9xxx device would be creating a bunch of d-state processes (that make the load look really high) and make kswapds go nuts?
[04:34] <dilinger> this is on 2.6.15-16-amd64-generic, dual processor opteron system
[04:34] <dilinger> 1g of ram.  it's not actually swapping, but both kswapd's show up consistently right behind the cp process in top
[04:35] <dilinger> hm, wonder what happens if i swapoff..
[04:36] <dilinger> well, they're lower in the process list as far as cpu usage, but still D-stating regularly
[04:40] <dilinger>  4267 ?        D      0:00 [pdflush]
[04:40] <dilinger>  4289 ?        D      0:00 [pdflush]
[04:40] <dilinger>  4290 ?        D      0:00 [pdflush]
[04:40] <dilinger>  4291 ?        D      0:00 [pdflush]
[04:40] <dilinger>  4292 ?        D      0:00 [pdflush]
[04:40] <dilinger>  4293 ?        D      0:00 [pdflush]
[04:40] <dilinger>  4294 ?        D      0:00 [pdflush]
[04:40] <dilinger> ugh.
[04:53] <dilinger> looks like the pdflush processes are spinning in lock_timer_base
[04:53] <dilinger>                         spin_lock_irqsave(&base->lock, *flags);
[04:56] <dilinger> (and sparc64 one, for that matter)
[05:59] <infinity> dilinger!
[05:59] <infinity> Oh, wait.  I'm an hour late.  I suck.
[06:00] <mjg59> http://www.livejournal.com/userpic/34302017/658522 is excellent
[06:01] <infinity> mjg59: A bit unreadable, though.
[06:02] <mjg59> "Of course, every stylish man wears a laptop as underwear"
[06:35] <dilinger> infinity: hey!
[06:36] <infinity> dilinger: I had an odd feeling I wanted to talk to you a few days ago, but I have no idea why now, so, uh... "Hi!"
[06:36] <dilinger> heh
[06:36] <dilinger> infinity: small talk, no doubt.  so how's the weather? :P
[06:52] <infinity> BenC: When you reassign kernel stuff to initramfs-tools, can you change the assignee to me as well, so I actually get notified about the bugs by email? :)
[06:52] <infinity> dilinger: The weather is hot.  And stuff.  How's NYC treating you?
[07:43] <dilinger> infinity: i'm about ready to leave NYC, i've had enough of it :/
[07:45] <fabbione> hey guys
[07:59] <dilinger> fabbione: hiya
[07:59] <fabbione> hey dilinger
[08:00] <fabbione> how you doing?
[08:00] <dilinger> good, other than the problems i'm having w/ this 3w-9xxx card :)
[08:00] <dilinger> you?
[08:01] <fabbione> i am fine
[08:02] <fabbione> busy as usual.. but i am surviving
[09:24] <chmj> BenC: ping?
[01:49] <jbailey> BenC: Heya!
[01:50] <BenC> hey
[01:50] <BenC> chmj: pong
[01:50] <jbailey> I need to file a bug for my touchpad bug (seems to move at half speed compared to breezy).  What info can I collect for you?  Just the usual lspci and dmesg bits?
[01:51] <mjg59> jbailey: Userspace, not kernel
[01:51] <jbailey> mjg59: Ah?  It works fine when I plug a USB mouse in.
[01:51] <jbailey> mjg59: So I'd assumed it was something in the /dev/input/mice mux.
[01:51] <BenC> jbailey: pb?
[01:52] <mjg59> jbailey: No, it seems to be the synaptics driver
[01:52] <jbailey> BenC: The only thing that comes to mind is "Philip Blundelle"..  What does that mean?
[01:52] <mjg59> Powerbook
[01:52] <BenC> powerbook :)
[01:52] <jbailey> mjg59: Ah, okay.  Anything I can usefully do?
[01:52] <fabbione> BenC: can you please pull from my branch on people?
[01:52] <jbailey> Ah, no, Toshiba.
[01:52] <BenC> fabbione: sure thing
[01:52] <fabbione> BenC: changelog: SUN4V support.
[01:53] <fabbione> BenC: more to come today or tomorrow
[01:53] <BenC> jbailey: if it's a powerbook, it's a known issue
[01:53] <fabbione> but i need you to pull and push to clean up my local branch
[01:53] <fabbione> BenC: packages can build. we will test tomorrow if they boot ok on niagara.
[01:53] <fabbione> BenC: i got ssh access to it :)
[01:54] <fabbione> BenC: we only need to get silo done for now.. asap
[01:54] <fabbione> KNOWN ISSUE: possible memory corruption with make -j 512
[01:54] <chmj> do we still push to our repo's in rookery
[01:54] <chmj> I notice that are people-<name> branches
[01:55] <mjg59> jbailey: Try sticking:
[01:55] <mjg59> Option          "MinSpeed"              "0.49"
[01:55] <mjg59> Option          "MaxSpeed"              "0.63"
[01:55] <mjg59> In the synaptics section of xorg.conf for now
[01:56] <jbailey> mjg59: 'kay.  firing it up, lagging a sec.
[01:57] <fabbione> BenC: do you think you can silo today?
[01:57] <fabbione> BenC: i must prepare a redhat cluster suite update for you before yesterday
[01:58] <fabbione> BenC: upstream did send me an email like: "UPDATE TO CVS NOW OR CLUSTER MANAGER WILL BITE YOUR ARSE!"
[01:58] <jbailey> mjg59: Silly question.  Those decimal places aren't locale-specific, right?
[01:58] <mjg59> jbailey: Doubt it
[01:58] <jbailey> In fr_CA, we use , 's
[01:58] <fabbione> jbailey: no they are not
[01:58] <jbailey> 'k
[01:59] <jbailey> mjg59: Appears to fix the problem.
[01:59] <mjg59> jbailey: Ok. Need to test it on a real synaptics.
[02:00] <jbailey> The min and max are ranges for accelleration, right?  The min might be a touch fast, but that might be me misremembering and just getting used to the painfully slow that I had.
[02:06] <jbailey> mjg59: Do you want me to make any 'worksforme' noises in a bug somewhere?
[02:07] <mjg59> jbailey: No, it's ok right now
[02:07] <jbailey> Hmm, this reminds me that I need to check for a bios update to see if that makes my suspend/resume happy.
[02:09] <BenC> fabbione: lol, yeah, I'll do silo today
[02:10] <fabbione> BenC: ok thanks!
[02:10] <fabbione> i really must take off now
[02:11] <jbailey> BenC: Are you and Dave still working wit Vincent on grub2 at all?
[02:11] <fabbione> BenC: if you can manage to pull/push within the next 2 hours it will just great..
[02:11] <fabbione> BenC: my local repo is falling apart in push/pull
[02:11] <fabbione> a new clone would be helpful ;)
[02:34] <zul> heylo
[02:43] <jbailey> g'm Scott, Chuck!
[02:43] <jbailey> zul: I still have to try disturbingly hard not to call you chunk.
[02:49] <zul> hehe...thats second on my list of most commonily used joke about my names
[02:53] <jbailey> It was an honestly misspelling the first time.
[02:53] <jbailey> Unfortunately, it's now what pops into my head as the mapping for "zul"
[02:54] <zul> hehe...
[02:55] <zul> i heard stupid comments that hey you arent short...blah blah...i heard it twice yesterday while i was at the hospital
[02:58] <jbailey> Bah.
[02:58] <jbailey> Nah, the only game that I really like with your name isn't derogatory.
[02:58] <jbailey> It's just so perfect for the name game.
[02:58] <jbailey> And I heard it from a teacher first, which made it so special. =)
[02:58] <jbailey> (clearly hadn't thought it through...)
[03:04] <zul> chuck, chuck, banna banna...bo...etc
[03:12] <jbailey> zul: Yup, that's the one. =)
[03:12] <jbailey> zul: Nice because it doesn't poke fun at the owner of the name, but usually the person in authority you convinced to lead the game.
[03:28] <zul> not how we played
[04:47] <zul> BenC: have you seen that PnPACPI thing yet?
[04:57] <BenC> zul: yeah, mjg59 is supposed to be looking into it
[04:57] <fabbione> re
[05:04] <fabbione> BenC: how is the merge going?
[05:15] <zul> BenC: i should have some patches for you by friday as well
[05:42] <mjg59> BenC: What am I meant to be looking into?
[05:42] <mjg59> BenC: Oh, I sent you a fix for acpi-sbs - did you get that?
[05:44] <BenC> fabbione: going through bug reports then I'll merge
[05:44] <BenC> zul: ok
[05:44] <BenC> mjg59: let me check
[05:44] <BenC> mjg59: I have a battery fix, but nothing that I can see for the PnPACPI thing
[05:44] <fabbione> BenC: ok.. you might want to give me an hour or two so i can give you the RH Cluster updates too
[05:45] <mjg59> BenC: Yeah, that's what I meant
[05:45] <BenC> fabbione: sure, I can hold off
[05:45] <fabbione> ok
[06:21] <fabbione> BenC: test building now..
[07:44] <fabbione> include/asm-generic/pgtable-nopud.h:15:1: warning: "PUD_SHIFT" redefined
[07:44] <fabbione> <command line>:1:1: warning: this is the location of the previous definition
[07:44] <fabbione> ^^ BenC do you see this one too?
[07:45] <BenC> never looked for it, but I don't recall seeing it
[07:45] <BenC> weird that it is defined on the command line
[07:46] <fabbione> yeah
[09:00] <fabbione> BenC: ok.. green light to pull from me
[09:01] <fabbione> test builded on i386 :)
[09:01] <BenC> fabbione: great, thanks
[09:02] <fabbione> no problem
[09:10] <lamont> fabbione/BenC: http://www.parisc-linux.org/~kyle/for_lamont/
[09:11] <lamont> these are relative to the top of git
[09:11] <BenC> our git, or upstream git?
[09:11] <lamont> tulip is needed for more than just hppa boxes
[09:11] <lamont> our git
[09:11] <lamont> or rather, "BenC's git"
[09:11] <BenC> sweet
[09:12] <lamont> sym2 is willy's version (he's upstream for sym2, does his initial releases to the parisc tree)
[09:12] <lamont> compat.diff is the only iffy one...
[09:12] <lamont> in that it appears to be half-applied already in our tree.
[09:14] <BenC> it is, but when I did it, I kept it local to parisc to reduce noise
[09:14] <lamont> ah, ok
[09:14] <BenC> I may skip that one
[09:14] <BenC> the other three, I'll include
[09:14] <lamont> the parisc.diff file has patches outside of arch/parisc type stuff, but they're all bug fixes that shouldn't hurt, or are required fixes to support said chip in hppa properly, or it's an hppa-specific driver (e.g., harmony)
[09:14] <lamont> dropping compat.diff is probably no big deal
[09:16] <lamont> BenC: there might be one more, I'm told.
[09:16] <BenC> ok
[09:17] <fabbione> lamont: is there any chance to get the 17bit jmp fixed?
[09:17] <fabbione> on hppa so to speak...
[09:17] <lamont> fabbione: I know someone was working on it, dunno if they fixed it...
[09:17] <lamont> it's a pretty deep architecturel f-up in ld.
[09:17] <lamont> (IMO)
[09:17] <fabbione> lamont: that would have been tas
[09:18] <lamont> tausq
[09:18] <fabbione> yeah
[09:18] <fabbione> i can't type his nick..
[09:18] <lamont> tau<tab> :-)
[09:21] <lamont> BenC: this "stubs out enough in arch/parisc to make everything work." (without compat.diff):  http://www.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff_plain;h=f671c45df23005692daa200aba768c642fb14ef2;hp=16541c8745e28f62b3dcb6cb354b73c9c01ea178
[09:22] <lamont> which might be the part that we already grabbed
[09:23] <fabbione> lamont: yes.. <tab> works when you are in the same chan
[09:23] <lamont> yeah
[09:23] <fabbione> and he is not here :)


[00:16] <cjwatson> wxl: libiconv is typically only needed on non-glibc systems; iconv() is built into glibc
[00:17] <cjwatson> no point in an external library when the base C library has it
[09:49] <Laney> pitti: amqpification, copied the requests from one queue to another
[09:49] <Laney> deleting would have been easier
[14:48] <mapreri> we (src:diffoscope devs) would like diffoscope autopkgtest to run every time one of its optional dependencies (aka "Recommends") are updated too, as they affects some parts of testsuite as well.  Do you think manually messing with the Testsuite-Triggers field can be accepted?
[14:48] <mapreri> pitti: opinions on ↑ ?
[16:55] <tsimonq2> pitti: Here's a relevant Launchpad bug. :) bug 1647031


[00:49] <studio-user155> русские есть?
[08:13] <Onslaught> hey im new to ubuntu studio, and im getting a error at the initial part of installation, imj getting a exit error code 10, can anyone give me some insight to what this is about?
[08:15] <smartboyhw> Onslaught, hmm, this never was mentioned before
[08:15] <smartboyhw> imj?
[08:15] <Onslaught> latest stable, i think 12.04 if memory serves me correctly
[08:15] <Onslaught> via usb.
[08:16] <Onslaught> im*
[08:19] <smartboyhw> Onslaught, latest stable is 13.04...
[08:19] <smartboyhw> Hmm, what's the error traceback?
[08:22] <smartboyhw> uh
[12:07] <infite> can any one help me very new. cant open software center :(
[13:52] <coyote> .
[18:06] <peeeps> Hi everyone
[18:06] <peeeps> Got a question. Is there any keboard key/command that allows me to switch the worplace on unbuntu studio?
[18:13] <peeeps> just found it
[18:13] <peeeps> ctrl-alt/left-right cursor
[18:13] <HisaoNakai> peeeps: Eh
[18:13] <HisaoNakai> Ctrl+Alt arrow keys?
[18:14] <peeeps> ctrl-alt/left-right cursoryes
[18:14] <peeeps> yes
[18:14] <HisaoNakai> :)
[18:14] <HisaoNakai> I think you can also modify the key
[18:14] <HisaoNakai> Not sure of it though.
[18:14] <peeeps> i guess so
[18:14] <HisaoNakai> ^^
[18:17] <peeeps> i have another question about ubuntustudio. newbie question i guess. how do i save setting for when i want to start a recording in ardour? by this in mean... do i always have to make connections in jack everytime i want to record someting? Id like to have mi midi  synths and guitar ready to go
[18:18] <peeeps> i'd like to have and the cables connections settings saved in patchage for example
[18:29] <HisaoNakai> peeeps:
[18:29] <HisaoNakai> aj-snapshot.
[18:29] <HisaoNakai> Also claudia. Also non-sessionn-manager.
[18:29] <HisaoNakai> And Ardour does some patching by itself too IIRC.
[18:30] <HisaoNakai> *session
[20:35] <prompt32> how can change my MAC of wlan0 ? macchanger inside initscripts (and outside ) fails ...
[20:35] <prompt32> ???


[01:29] <lamont> stage2/xgcc -Bstage2/ -B/usr/hppa-linux/bin/ -c   -O2 -DIN_GCC   -W -Wall
[01:29] <lamont> +-Wwrite-strings -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes        -DHAVE_CONFIG_H
[01:29] <lamont> +-I. -Iada -I../../src/gcc -I../../src/gcc/ada -I../../src/gcc/../include
[01:29] <lamont> +-I../../src/gcc/../libcpp/include  ../../src/gcc/ada/decl.c -o ada/decl.o
[01:29] <lamont> make[4] : *** [ada/decl.o]  Segmentation fault
[01:29] <lamont> make[4] : *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
[01:30] <doko> we don't support hppa ;-?
[01:31] <lamont> feh
[01:31] <doko> lamont: I did hear rumors you would work for a company producing hppa stuff ...
[01:31] <lamont> -7ubuntu7 built just fine though...
[01:32] <doko> maybe fabbione did change the kernel ...
[01:34] <lamont> doko: not on the machine where it's building... same kernel
[01:35] <doko> ohh, looks like hppa is catching up
[01:35] <doko> starting a 4.0 build as well
[01:36] <lamont> yeah - I dragged home a nearly-current source archive friday.. it's been building since saturday
[01:36] <lamont> or friday night..
[01:36] <lamont> Total 870 package(s) in state Installed.
[01:36] <lamont> Total 4295 package(s) in state Needs-Build.
[01:36] <lamont> still have a goodly distance to go
[01:37] <lamont> note also that ~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/breezy.all.hppa isn't really accurate, other than wrt needs-build and installed
[01:37] <lamont> er... needs-build could be any non-installed state, that is.. :-(
[01:38] <lamont> same is true for breezy.all.sparc: non-data-center architectures don't have w-b access, so installed is the only state that w-b accurately reflects
[01:38] <doko> hmm, packages.u.c doesn' list sparc ...
[01:38] <doko> fabbione: ^^^
[01:38] <lamont> does it list hppa?
[01:38] <doko> no
[01:38] <doko> but ia64
[01:38] <lamont> ia64 is probably way wrong
[01:39] <lamont> since it's split off to the same home as hppa/sparc...
[01:39] <lamont> guess it depends on the code running there..
[01:39] <lamont>  ~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/breezy.all.$ARCH is gospel for data-center architectures, and install-state-accurate for non-DC architectures
[01:50] <doko> E: Package gawk has no installation candidate
[01:52] <doko> E: Package libmpfr-dev has no installation candidate
[01:54] <doko> E: Package libart-2.0-dev has no installation candidate
[01:58] <doko> lamont: how do you build that?
[02:04] <doko> anyway, going to bed now
[03:59] <lamont> doko: clearly I have missed uploading some stuff...
[04:00] <lamont> adding people.u.c/~lamont/ubuntu-hppa hoary main to sources.list may help
[04:36] <lamont> doko: if you're still short packages after adding the hoary repository, let me know - I'll see about making them exist
[06:07] <fabbione> morning
[06:49] <infinity> Afternoon.
[07:02] <desrt> word.
[10:23] <fabbione> doko: gcc-3.4 on ppc is SERIOUSLY broken
[10:23] <fabbione> it keeps segfaulting at very high ratio
[11:37] <doko> morning
[11:37] <doko> fabbione: which version did you use before?
[11:38] <fabbione> the one before the ppc64 changes
[11:40] <jbailey> Heya Matthias.
[11:42] <doko> hi, already, or still awake? :)
[11:49] <jbailey> Sort of both.  It's humidity season in Toronto, so I will sleep like crap for the next 2 weeks before getting used to it.
[11:49] <jbailey> I watched the clock crawl from 4am to 5am and decided that I may as well work and nap mid-day
[12:17] <doko> fabbione: do you see the segfaults only when compiling kernels?
[12:23] <fabbione> doko: difficult to say.. i didn't build anything different
[12:24] <doko> and I only did build compilers ;)
[12:25] <fabbione> doko: gcc doesn't take 10 hours to build :)
[03:54] <fabbione> doko: gcc-4 is still FTBFS here with that timeout thingy
[03:54] <fabbione> i will try to build it manually
[04:10] <Mithrandir> I wonder if multiarch would make sense for doing ABI transitions like we're doing for gcc4.
[04:10] <jbailey> Mithrandir: taggart suggested that when I was chatting with him about it before.
[04:11] <Mithrandir> the only issue is we end up with a bloody long search path for ld at some point.
[04:16] <jbailey> fabbione: l?
[04:41] <fabbione> jbailey: i need to go out.. i will be back later
[05:26] <jbailey> doko: There?
[05:27] <doko> yes
[05:27] <jbailey> doko: Are the multiarch patches applied to gcc-4?  I'm pulling it down, but it'll be a couple minutes more
[05:28] <jbailey> ISTR there being stuff about multiarch in rules.defs
[05:30] <doko> multiarch-include.dpatch is included, but not applied
[05:30] <doko> no, no build support yet
[05:33] <Mithrandir> doko: would you care to pull in the changes from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?
[05:34] <jbailey> Mithrandir: It looks like the patch that's already included gets rid of lib64 support at the same time.
[05:35] <Mithrandir> well, lib64 is just a symlink on amd64, so.
[05:35] <jbailey> Oh, I see.  i386/t-linux64
[05:37] <doko> Mithrandir: ok
[05:37] <Mithrandir> doko: for both ubuntu and Debian or just Ubuntu?
[05:38] <jbailey> Mithrandir: I suspect that it shouldn't remove existing /lib32 /lib64 support, but just add the multilib directories.
[05:38] <doko> Mithrandir: it's the same archive
[05:38] <Mithrandir> jbailey: possibly, yes.
[05:51] <fabbione> jbailey: re
[05:51] <fabbione> i have only 10 minutes but i would love to spend them here for you :)
[05:54] <doko> fabbione: i386 kernel build did fail ...
[05:54] <fabbione> doko: read #u-k :)
[05:54] <fabbione> you are too slow
[05:55] <doko> so ppc64 does work now?
[05:55] <fabbione> doko: not in 1.2
[05:55] <fabbione> doko: ocalm is FTBFS :)
[05:56] <doko> xorg "reorganization" ...
[05:56] <fabbione> doko: i know :)
[05:56] <fabbione> jbailey: where are you?
[05:57] <fabbione> doko: you will be able to use ppc64 tomorrow
[05:57] <fabbione> doko: or....
[05:57] <jbailey> fabbione: Sorry, was in another window.
[05:57] <fabbione> doko: grab the latest 1.3 image from http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/
[05:57] <infinity> fabbione : Were you happy with that buildd result of linux-source on ppc, or did you still want me to build it on my machine?
[05:57] <fabbione> infinity: i didn't check them yet. i will have to
[05:58] <fabbione> infinity: i386 has a really weird FTBFS
[05:58] <fabbione> it wasn't there yesterday
[05:58] <fabbione> but it was building with the old gcc
[05:58] <fabbione> so i will need to investigate that too
[05:58] <fabbione> jbailey: what can i do for you?
[05:59] <jbailey> Mithrandir, doko: Would you consider a hack for now that added the multiarch includes now, but didn't touch /libFOO?
[05:59] <jbailey> fabbione: Erm.  What was it about...  bugger.
[05:59] <Mithrandir> jbailey: yes, sure.
[05:59] <Mithrandir> jbailey: also, we need to fix binutils.
[05:59] <fabbione> jbailey: dunno.. you pinged me before
[06:00] <jbailey> fabbione: Right, and trying to remember what the !@#$ it's for?
[06:00] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Even for just the include hack?
[06:00] <Mithrandir> jbailey: that's a start, yes.
[06:00] <infinity> fabbione : Alright, well I'll build it anyway, just for kicks.
[06:00] <fabbione> infinity: i am happy with the build. i think davis is the box having problems
[06:01] <infinity> Oh.  Then I won't build it. :)
[06:01] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Sorry, EPARSE, I think.  What needs hacking in binutils for adding the include hack?
[06:01] <elmo> fabbione: did you say you wanted me to not NEW ppc kernel?
[06:01] <fabbione> elmo: just wrote it in #u-d :)
[06:01] <jbailey> fabbione: Right!
[06:01] <jbailey> fabbione: I remember.  make-kpkg lovel for initramfs.
[06:01] <Mithrandir> jbailey: no, but you need to fix binutils for looking for the libs in the right place.
[06:01] <fabbione> elmo: i386 is FTBFS so don't wait for it. i will fix it tomorrow
[06:01] <jbailey> fabbione: When can I book time with you on that?  My perl is teh suck.
[06:01] <fabbione> elmo: given that it did build for me
[06:02] <fabbione> jbailey: tomorrow?
[06:02] <fabbione> jbailey: if you wake up early like today we will have plenty of time to work together
[06:02] <jbailey> Mithrandir: Right, except that I don't care about the libs right now.  libs are already sufficiently handled with /lib{32,64,}
[06:02] <fabbione> jbailey: otherwise i can schedule a late evening session with you
[06:02] <jbailey> Mithrandir: But right now, it assumes a common set of headers for those, which is not true in a number of cases.
[06:02] <Mithrandir> jbailey: hm, ok, sure.
[06:03] <Mithrandir> jbailey: ack, go ahead.
[06:03] <jbailey> fabbione: 'kay.  Probably near the end of your day then tomorrow?
[06:03] <fabbione> elmo: btw the source for 1.2 and 1.3 will be the same. only a few config tweaks to make ppc64 booting.
[06:03] <jbailey> fabbione: Your start-of-day is usually my hint that I should be asleep. =)
[06:03] <fabbione> jbailey: well today you woke up early and that was kind of ideal
[06:04] <jbailey> fabbione: I'm hoping not to repeat that.  5am doesn't agree with me.
[06:04] <fabbione> jbailey: ok. let's do this way
[06:04] <fabbione> if i don't see you around 9 UTC (that should be your 5 am)
[06:04] <jbailey> fabbione: My usual show-up time is 11GMT.  Will you still be around?
[06:05] <fabbione> i will shift the working hours for the evening
[06:05] <fabbione> 11UTC is 1pm here so yes
[06:05] <jbailey> Cool.  Wasn't sure, since you appear to start at 4UTC. =)
[06:05] <fabbione> i do start at 4UTC
[06:05] <jbailey> Sick&Wrong(tm)
[06:05] <fabbione> but i don't stop before 14 or so
[06:05] <fabbione> well it's 6am here
[06:05] <fabbione> i need to wake up to kick my wife out of the bed
[06:07] <fabbione> jbailey: so i guess from 1pm it's fine than
[06:07] <fabbione> let's just start on it as soon as you wake up
[06:07] <fabbione> so we don't need to end the day in 36 hours :)
[06:07] <jbailey> doko: Do you keep your source in something I can look at?  From what's in gcc-4/debian/patches/multiarch-include.dpatch, it looks like all we need is the gcc/Makefile.in patch, and the gcc/cppdefault.c patch.
[06:07] <jbailey> fabbione: Cool, thanks.
[06:07] <fabbione> ok cya tomorrow than
[06:07] <fabbione> bye bye guys
[06:07] <jbailey> g'd evening Fabio!
[06:14] <doko> jbailey: svn.debian.org
[06:14] <jbailey> doko: Cool, I think I have access there.  Is there an ubuntu branch?
[06:14] <doko> no
[06:19] <jbailey> doko: Have you imported Tollef's new change?
[06:19] <jbailey> doko: Or should I start from his patch?  I think even editting what's in there now is probably fine.
[06:24] <doko> jbailey: no, not yet. better to start from his patch
[06:24] <jbailey> doko: Cool, thanks.
[07:14] <doko> lamont, lamont_r, infinity: please could you update dep-waits on the buildds from chinstrap:~doko/frozenapps.txt?
[07:17] <\sh> doko: streber ;)
[07:21] <fabbione> elmo: can you please dist-upgrade breezy and breezy-i386 on concordia?
[07:21] <fabbione> elmo: with the old gcc i can't reproduce the i386 FTBFS
[07:22] <elmo> eh, old?
[07:22] <elmo> I dist-upgraded both, this morning?
[07:23] <fabbione> dpkg -p kernel-package
[07:23] <fabbione> Version: 8.135ubuntu2
[07:23] <fabbione> Filename: pool/main/k/kernel-package/kernel-package_8.132ubuntu2_all.deb
[07:23] <fabbione> either the version of the filename are bongs :)
[07:24] <fabbione> hmm gcc -v says it's ok...
[07:24] <fabbione> wtf
[07:24] <fabbione> elmo: nevermind...
[07:24] <fabbione> they are ok
[08:18] <\sh> guys...fast question fast answer ;)
[08:19] <\sh> a new debian source package for libX with new name libX-123 (not the version)
[08:19] <\sh> ubuntu package is libX-111 (not the version)
[08:19] <\sh> do we need to put the "c2" in the packagename, or do we only sync with debian?
[08:25] <Kamion> should add c2 since Debian is using the old ABI; otherwise we become binary-incompatible with Debian in a painful way
[08:28] <doko> Kamion: why do you care at this point? this is a temporary thing.
[08:29] <Kamion> binary-incompatibility is bad, temporary or not
[08:29] <Kamion> it's not hard to add c2, and it doesn't cause problems
[08:31] <doko> well, ok, we would need to add a conflict with the old ubuntu c2 package as well, so, yes, one more modifictation
[08:34] <\sh> Kamion: so u want to have the c2
[08:34] <Kamion> yes
[08:34] <\sh> ok :) small change
[08:35] <\sh> and C/R also to debian package?#
[08:35] <\sh> not only to old ubuntu package, but also to new debian package?
[08:36] <doko> \sh, you did say, there was no old ubuntu package? or old-ubuntu == old-debian?
[08:37] <\sh> ok again :)
[08:37] <\sh> Old ubuntu package: libcommoncpp2-1.0-1.0,13-5ubuntu1
[08:37] <\sh> sorry
[08:38] <\sh> Old ubuntu package: libcommoncpp2-1.0c102-1.0.13-5ubuntu1
[08:38] <\sh> New Debian package: libcommoncpp2-1.3-1.3.10-3
[08:39] <\sh> so C/R adjustments to libcommoncpp2-1.0c102 (= 1.0.13-5ubuntu1)
[08:39] <Kamion> C/R?
[08:39] <doko> so new ubuntu will be libcommoncpp2-1.3c2 C/R against libcommoncpp2-1.0c102 and libcommoncpp2-1.3
[08:39] <\sh> Conflicts/Replaces
[08:39] <\sh> doko: ok...now we have it :)
[08:40] <\sh> doko: for "libcommoncpp2-1.0-0, libcommoncpp2-1.0-0c102 (=1.3.10-1), libcommoncpp2-1.0-0c102 (= 1.0.13-5ubuntu1), libcommoncpp2-1.3"
[08:40] <\sh> can i say also "libcommoncpp2-1.0-0, libcommoncpp2-1.0-0c102 (>=1.3.10-1), libcommoncpp2-1.3" ?
[08:42] <\sh> forget it
[08:42] <\sh> different version
[08:42] <doko> just drop the version thing ...
[08:42] <\sh> ok...sorted out actually..thx guys :)
[08:50] <\sh> doko: if you have time, please have a look http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11542 so i can upload this lib
[09:52] <elmo> doko: what's this 32 gcj for?
[09:54] <doko> OOo2 runtime on amd64, we won't need it, when we have multiarch
[09:54] <elmo> hmm, are you splitting all libs out of ia32-libs?
[09:55] <doko> well, probably jbailes is splitting out glibc, not sure, what remains in there ... maybe ncurses?
[09:55] <elmo> X? :P
[09:56] <doko> wasn't that in ia32-libs-openoffice.org, or was this gtk?
[09:56] <jbailey> Should be ncurses and zlib, I think.
[09:56] <doko> no, I don't go any further at the moment
[09:56] <jbailey> Might be one other.  I think they're largely there for LSB requirements.
[09:56] <elmo> well, yeah, okay, I mean, are you planning to split out all of ia32-libs-oo.o and ia32-libs
[09:56] <elmo> I'm just curious as to why we're doing even these?
[09:57] <Mithrandir> there's a bunch of gtk stuff in ia32-libs-gtk
[09:57] <doko> my original goal was to get rid of OOo.amd64 and build it natively on amd64 using gcc -m32
[09:59] <Mithrandir> jbailey: the set of libraries in ia32-libs is based on "somebody wishlisted this", more or less.
[10:00] <jbailey> Right.  I'm less worried about ia32-libs.  amd64-libs is easy enough to get rid of completely.
[10:02] <Mithrandir> ok, good.
[10:03] <Mithrandir> amd64-libs felt like a gross hack to me.
[10:03] <Mithrandir> even grosser than ia32-libs
[10:03] <elmo> Mithrandir: now you know how we feel about multiarch
[10:03] <elmo> \o/
[10:03] <Mithrandir> elmo: "not happy, but less bad than the alternatives" :-)
[10:04] <Mithrandir> elmo: apart from the "ew multiarch", do you have any thoughts on the binutils patch? http://arch.err.no/index.cgi/tfheen@idi.ntnu.no--2005/binutils--multiarch--0--patch-1?cmd=cs_new&file=debian/patches/124_multiarch.dpatch
[10:05] <Mithrandir> (hooaray for long urls)
[10:11] <elmo> what's it do?
[10:11] <elmo> the description of the patch could use some love
[10:11] <Mithrandir> makes ld look in lib/i386-linux in addition to lib
[10:11] <Mithrandir> hm, agreed.
[10:13] <jbailey> Mithrandir: I trust that it does it to whatever GNU triple it was configured with, right?
[10:14] <Mithrandir> jbailey: not triplet, but yes.  Adding i386-linux every time would be quite silly. :-)
[10:28] <doko> Mithrandir: do you want i386-linux, not i486-linux-gnu (as the new dpkg will print it)?
[11:05] <\sh> hmmm
[11:06] <\sh> can someone check the buildd where /home/shermann/pbuilder/result/breezy/libbonobomm1.3-9c2_1.3.8-2.2ubuntu1_i386.deb is?
[11:07] <\sh> without the homedir stuff ;)


[13:27] <_MMA_> cody-somerville: Are you or any Xubuntu users getting hit by this GDM bug?
[13:27] <cody-somerville> link?
[13:29] <cody-somerville> _MMA_, ^^
[13:29] <_MMA_> No link. Only some people are gettin it. Im still trying to diagnose. If you were seeing this, you would know exactly what Im talking about.
[13:30] <cody-somerville> I still have pending updates
[13:31] <cody-somerville> but I can't seem to dist-upgrade
[13:31] <_MMA_> Ok
[13:31] <_MMA_> cody-somerville: And we got rid of OO.o. :P
[13:31] <cody-somerville> You can thank me in Prague ;p
[13:49] <cody-somerville> [<davmor2> not that I've noticed and I'm running hardy on 3 machines
[13:50] <_MMA_> So odd.
[14:09] <kwwii> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/210538
[14:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 210538 in ubuntu-gdm-themes "gdm hangs after theme upgrade and reboot" [High,Confirmed]
[14:12] <_MMA_> kwwii: That's not it for us.
[14:12] <_MMA_> :(
[14:13] <kwwii> ? you have a different bug?
[14:13] <_MMA_> No clue. Since we don't have the "Commenting the gtkrc gtk_color_scheme =" part.
[14:14] <kwwii> I am not sure if that is the real reason there is a bug to be honest
[14:14] <kwwii> I think that this bug will still exist even after I changed that
[14:14] <kwwii> as the same bug happens with your theme
[14:15] <kwwii> btw, I pushed a few packages: ubuntu-gdm-theme, human-theme, human-icon-theme, and ubuntulooks
[17:02] <psyke83> kwwii, hi, did you receive the update for Human-Murrine-Mod (just in case it's used)?
[17:04] <kwwii> psyke83: yes, and it has been uploaded so you should see it coming down the pipe soon
[17:04] <kwwii> it is back in the default selection
[17:04] <kwwii> but not set as default
[17:05] <kwwii> so everyone should be happy
[17:05] <kwwii> :-)
[17:05] <kwwii> thanks again for the great work
[17:16] <psyke83> no problem, glad I could help :)
[18:36] <kwwii> _MMA_: did you notice that in the login window selector you can select the standard ubuntu gdm theme but at the top pulldown also have the "with face browser" option selected?
[18:38] <_MMA_> I do now.
[18:38] <_MMA_> Hmm... Doesn't do anything. I bet its a switch for a theme.
[18:38] <kwwii> freaky
[18:39] <kwwii> I thought it would sort out the themes or such but it does not
[18:39] <kwwii> I think that it sets something somewhere though
[18:39] <_MMA_> ie: you have all the needed files in 1 theme and that setting switches it.
[18:39] <kwwii> either that or it is useless
[18:39] <kwwii> maybe that is part of the problems you were having
[18:44] <_MMA_> kwwii: Im gonna look through the code and see if they can be combined.
[18:54] <_MMA_> Hmm.... I notice users aren't shown in the Human face browsers but are in the happygnome-list one.
[18:56] <_MMA_> kwwii: nm. After trying the happygnome one they are there in the Human one. So odd.
[18:56]  * _MMA_ *hates* GDM.
[19:25] <kwwii> lol
[19:25] <kwwii> _MMA_: and gdm seems to hate you too :p
[19:26] <SliverRedman> So wait, what?
[19:26] <SliverRedman> nvrmnd
[19:29]  * kwwii grabs a bite to eat
[22:24] <psyke83> kwwii, just wondering; do you think we should enable animations in Human-Murrine, if we get a chance to push another update?
[22:25]  * _MMA_ has had it enabled for 2 releases with no bug reports.
[22:26] <kwwii> psyke83: sure, why not
[22:32] <psyke83> kwwii, great, thanks
[22:42] <psyke83> kwwii, what about the vertical menu bar? I like it, but it conflicts a bit with firefox's awesomebar, unfortunately


[00:00] <diddledan_> interesting: http://www.geek.com/news/scientists-confirm-origin-of-stonehenge-bluestones-1641412/
[00:06]  * zmoylan-pi awaits the announcement of the formation of the return stonehenge now group... :-)
[00:09] <zmoylan-pi> speaking of stones... ::puts on fifth element::
[00:11] <daftykins> multi pass.
[00:12] <zmoylan-pi> leeloo dallas... multi... pass...
[05:57] <mapps> hello
[06:25] <diddledan> mornin
[07:43] <diddledan> yey WerdPress
[07:43]  * diddledan just finished updating one of my plugins: https://travis-ci.org/diddledan/wp-a-z-listing
[07:44] <diddledan> err, https://wordpress.org/plugins/a-z-listing/ (the travis link is interesting, still, but doesn't tell you what it does)
[07:48] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:49] <diddledan> morning
[07:50] <brobostigon> morning diddledan
[08:10] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:11] <diddledan> m00
[08:12] <MooDoo> :)
[08:31] <DJones> Hmmh, after a week using Win 10 in work,  its actually quite user friendly and unobtrusive in day to day use
[08:34]  * zmoylan-pi schedules DJones for deprogramming... :-P
[09:11] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:29] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[09:31] <davmor2> MooDoo: me awld mucka, 'ow bin ya?
[09:42] <MooDoo> davmor2: crackin lad, waiting for 12, half day today ;)
[09:43] <davmor2> MooDoo: \o/ woohoo
[09:51] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah going to see laddo in his nativity this afternoon
[09:55] <davmor2> MooDoo: so you lied when you said half day, what you meant was, Half a day of freedom then half a day of torture ;) Not yours obvious it's the other out of tune kids that ruin it :D
[10:06] <MooDoo> lol
[10:13] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Tuesday, and happy Pretend To Be A Time Traveler Day! 😃
[10:14] <bittin_US> JamesTait: i feel like a timetravler :p
[10:14] <bittin_US> went from Sweden -> US
[10:14] <bittin_US> timezone differences and stuff
[10:17] <awilkins> Where I come from, Pretend To Be  A Time Traveller Day is regarded as an archaic but amusing event!
[10:20] <JamesTait> awilkins, where you come from, or *when* you come from?
[10:20] <JamesTait> bittin_US, my sympathies, I've been there many times.
[10:21] <awilkins> The Temporal Prime Directive (rather ironically named from an old documentary reel) prevents me from revealing that there is, in fact, a Temporal Prime Directive.
[10:21] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Adk1ujjmguo easy
[10:23] <awilkins> Happily the predestination paradox schroedingloop that this willant noncause will prevent any major ripples from emerging. And after all, this is an IRC channel - who actually reads these things!
[10:24] <SuperEngineer> errrmmm.... everybody in Durham, Durham. Durham, Durham reads this?
[10:26] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:26] <awilkins> I'm talking about participants in significant causality nexuses. Durham is <redacted> in a few years anyway.
[10:28] <SuperEngineer> awilkins, only in your [unstable] paradox does it get redacted.
[10:30] <davmor2> JamesTait: we can have this too as they time travelled enough times https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE
[10:32]  * SuperEngineer wonders about phrase: "time travelled enough times"
[10:33] <SuperEngineer> wot. no dimensions?  ;-)
[10:38] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p3A_tt8ERU
[10:59] <JamesTait> davmor2, I like it. 😃
[12:00] <diddledan> hopefully php7 has been released early enough in the xenial cycle that it'll be included in the LTS
[12:51] <jpds> diddledan: Or just stop using PHP
[13:13] <daftykins> afternoon all o/
[14:45] <daftykins> just called up a guy who's done home cinema installs etc for someone i know, helped me out with a few things... as i'd seen a clients' sky box often needs rebooting once a week minimum
[14:45] <daftykins> anything to be done? nope they're just that rubbish now apparently.
[14:48] <zmoylan-pi> get a timer plug to switch it off once a week at 3am in the morning :-)
[14:50] <directhex> clearly the problem is IT MUST BE OVERCLOCKED
[14:50] <zmoylan-pi> put a heat sink on it.  with massive fins
[14:50] <directhex> water.
[14:50] <directhex> 3x120mm rad
[14:51] <zmoylan-pi> frozen vodka... someone doing that got a zilog z80 up to silly speeds iirc
[14:51] <Myrtti> baby oil
[14:51] <Myrtti> squeezed from freshly harvested babies
[15:25] <SuperEngineer> Myrtti, why use squeezed ones?  Roast them & collect oil from from baking tray [plus you get a free meal]
[15:29] <Myrtti> SuperEngineer: that's the second phase
[15:29] <Myrtti> extra virgin virgin oil is always cold pressed
[15:30] <Myrtti> the dregs are collected from the baking tray
[15:32] <zmoylan-pi> the dregs with yummy crunchy bits in it...
[15:34]  * SuperEngineer has suddenly gone off roast baby
[15:35] <SuperEngineer> [should've used some garlic & black pepper, I guess]
[15:38] <Myrtti> baste it with butter
[15:41] <SuperEngineer> but that would spoil the baby oil collecting in the roasting dish!
[15:42] <SuperEngineer> ...& would clog up the cooling system
[15:44] <Myrtti> true
[15:54]  * SuperMatt steps in to the channel, reads the last 5 lines and start mashing the 9 button on his mobile
[15:57] <Myrtti> I just find the product name funny.
[15:57] <Myrtti> it has to be made of babies, just like canola oil and olive oil is
[16:09] <SuperEngineer> & they must be babies up to a certain age only
[16:10] <SuperEngineer> otherwise the oil becomes "a bit pongy" if not changed regularily
[16:11] <SuperEngineer> [& now he's definitely hitting the "9" key!]
[16:13] <Myrtti> it's starting to hit my nausea trigger point, too...
[16:15]  * SuperEngineer changes subject to reasting kittens
[16:15] <SuperEngineer> although well known not to be so good at producing oil ;)
[16:16] <Myrtti> actually
[16:17] <Myrtti> there was a rumour in the early days of margarine in Finland where did all the barn cats and strays disappear...
[16:17] <SuperEngineer> whoops!
[16:17] <Myrtti> and it was actually true, too
[16:17] <SuperEngineer> yuk!
[16:20] <SuperEngineer> Were "e" numbers used to disguise the dact?
[16:20] <SuperEngineer> *fact
[16:23] <Myrtti> ungh
[16:23] <Myrtti> I think it was a bit early days for any e numbers
[16:32] <popey> So, might as well put my FirefoxOS phone in the bin, looks like mozilla are killing it off.
[16:33] <daftykins> crikey, can't get anything else on there?
[16:33] <popey> no, i mean the current build works
[16:33] <popey> but dunno what future it has
[16:36] <daftykins> yeah but other OSs once it's definitely dead
[17:53] <davmor2> popey: ouch so ditching ffos and thunderbird so they are just going to do a browser that uses chrome plugins why not use chrome then
[17:53] <popey> well, FFOS will be reborn as an IoT platform it seems.
[19:17] <popey> http://techcrunch.com/2015/12/08/mozilla-will-stop-developing-and-selling-firefox-os-smartphones/
[19:19] <zmoylan-pi> qi was so looking forward to trying one of those...
[19:19] <zmoylan-pi> *i was
[19:19] <daftykins> i don't think we needed another mobile OS
[19:19] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: you could buy popey 's
[19:19] <zmoylan-pi> i think we do. a proper linux os
[19:20] <popey> people said that when blackberry and symbian were leaders
[19:20] <zmoylan-pi> no android java vm, no ios locked down tighter than ducks arse, no windows phone os silliness
[19:20] <daftykins> i doubt it would've amounted to anything
[19:21] <zmoylan-pi> needed more now than ever
[19:22] <daftykins> maybe with all these cutbacks Mozilla can stop screwing up Firefox so much \o/
[19:23] <zmoylan-pi> no no, now they can focus all their resources ON screwing up firefox...
[19:23] <daftykins> :)
[19:24] <popey> They're moving over to IoT
[19:25] <daftykins> i'm not sure what that means in actuality :D
[19:27] <zmoylan-pi> new ways to make old tech insecure :-)
[19:28] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: harsh dude
[19:29]  * zmoylan-pi waits for the local script kiddies to have davmor2's lights turning on and off at random at 2am :-)
[19:30] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: my devices would be powered by ubuntu so that won't happen :P
[19:30] <daftykins> haha
[19:31] <daftykins> plenty of folks spilling into #ubuntu are 'powered by ubuntu' but on lovely EOL releases ;)
[19:32] <popey> i found a laptop here that had a proper crusty old version on it
[19:32] <daftykins> :D
[19:33] <daftykins> that's fair when it's actively used, but how these folk get by with things like 13.10 still running
[19:33] <daftykins> err, not actively used.
[19:33] <davmor2> popey: 4.10?
[19:33] <daftykins> they even say "yeah i haven't been prompted for updates for ages!"
[19:54] <popey> I had one with 9.04 on it
[19:58]  * daftykins wonders if that was jaunty
[19:58] <daftykins> !9.04
[19:58] <lubotu3`> Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope) was the tenth release of Ubuntu. End Of Life: October 23, 2010. See !eol and !upgrade for more details.
[19:58] <daftykins> yessss \o/
[20:02] <MartijnVdS> that's a while ago already
[20:14] <daftykins> time is way too scary
[20:14] <diddledan> it's all that timey wimey stuff
[20:14] <daftykins> ikr
[20:14] <diddledan> the wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff
[22:50] <diddledan> news headline about donald trump: https://twitter.com/jaffathecake/status/674358927996403712
[22:50] <diddledan> or rather that's a quote from theoretical donald
[23:02] <diddledan> rowan atkinson at his best: https://youtu.be/umRRCkspaQU
[23:06] <daftykins> o0
[23:09] <daftykins> nah he's far better elsewhere :P
[23:10] <zmoylan-pi> as the gorilla gerald in not the nine o'clock news...
[23:12] <daftykins> time for bed i think
[23:13] <daftykins> nn all \o
[23:14] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[23:16] <diddledan> :-o


[05:22] <jea> jared: Completely agree. Posts and person removed from group. She is not from Aus anyway based on her profile
[05:25] <jared> jea: cool, I'm just too much of a social media newbie to be sure
[05:25] <jea> No worries. It is hard to tell with some people until afterwards, like in this case
[05:26] <jared> Yeah if in doubt I add and then clean up as quick as I can when I find out
[05:27] <jea> That is the approach I use too
[05:27] <jea> luckily it doesn't happen too often
[05:31] <jared> Hows uni coming along?
[05:31] <jea> Assignments finished on Tuesday, so now on study week before exams
[05:32] <jea> Handing in the last assignment was a very nice feeling, after having 10 assignments in 6 weeks
[05:32] <jared> Damn, the most I've had is about 7 in 6
[05:32] <jared> And 4 of those were only 500 words.
[05:33] <jea> Mine were basically all programming ones, apart from one course that was finding problems in a document and then writing such a document
[05:46] <jared> Ah, I'd be lying if I said I knew how much work that was ;)
[05:46] <jared> But either way, just getting that many things done in that time is a pain in the neck.
[05:47] <jea> Yep, certainly is
[05:47] <jared> I'm just writing an economics assignment tonight (due midnight) and then I only have 2 exams before I'm half way through the course.
[05:48] <jea> Cool. How many years is it?
[05:49] <jared> Well because I've been doing 2 subjects at once it's been 1 year to do half of it. But I'll be dropping back to 1 subject at a time from the end of this teaching period so it will take another 2 years to finish.
[05:49] <jared> You must be a fair way through yours now as well?
[05:50] <jea> Right. At least there is flexibility to do it over the time frame you want
[05:50] <jared> Yeah, pretty much you can do as much or as little as longa s you like.
[05:50] <jea> Yes, after this semester I will only have 3 more semesters of the degree
[05:50] <jared> I can not do teaching periods if I don't want to, etc.
[05:51] <jared> I think it's because it's so expensive as long as you're willing to pay they're willing to take the money. We worked it out that the tuition alone is $100 per student per contact hour.
[05:51] <jared> Plus books and standard uni fees.
[05:51] <jea> At this stage I just want to get it all over and done with
[05:51] <jea> Yes, it is quite expensive
[05:51] <jea> And the prices just keep going up
[05:52] <jared> Yeah I wanted to do it all in 2 years but it's really killing me at the moment. No time for anything between 40+ hour week at work and 20+ hours of uni a week (more in assessment weeks).
[05:53] <jared> Yeah, the thing is, if they cap the self eduation expense for tax claims it's going to really hurt everyone in my course. They want to cap it at 2000 a year whereas that is only one six week course for us.
[05:53] <jea> That change is going to hurt a lot of people
[05:54] <jea> Unfortunately the politicians in their world of politics don't need any of it, so they don't see the point
[05:55] <jared> I don't mind the loss of the reduction for if you paid upfront, that didn't bother me but I know there are people spending 40k plus a year on studies that are going to probably stop if that comes in.
[05:57] <jea> They want people to keep learning, but they do not want to assist them in doing it
[05:59] <jared> Ah well, my economics assignment is beckoning. I'm looking at the economic rationale behind paid parking as westfield shopping centres. Essentially, for shoppers it's great!
[05:59] <jea> That is an interesting topic to investigate. Certainly a divisive one
[06:00] <jared> When you get into it it's not really divisive at all. Those that were freeloading and not using the shopping centre will dislike it but the shopping centre car park isn't there for commuters or other businesses in the area.
[06:01] <jared> Less than 7% of shoppers even needed to pay anything at all.
[06:01] <jea> I don't have an issue with it. It seems the main complainers are the commuters
[06:02] <jared> And in fact all it meant was that the genuine shoppers had a much better experience beause it was then much easier to find a park on a regular basis.
[06:02] <jea> Possibly it is a bit annoying for the staff in the shopping centres, having to pay, but people in the CBD have to do that
[06:02] <jared> The shopping centre isn't paid to be a park and ride though, so the commuters aren't event contributing to the shopping centre revenue at all, just the operating cost of the centre.
[06:03] <jared> There are 1k parks assigned for employees out of the 6.5k total parks available.
[06:03] <jea> I think commuters just like to complain in general
[06:03] <jea> is this Chermside?
[06:03] <jared> That's the first one, yep.
[06:03] <jared> I believe carindale and soon garden city will have it as well.
[06:04] <jea> Yes, Carindale has it now. Garden City soon with their big upgrade
[06:04] <jared> Suits me to a tee, I'm never in a shopping centre for more than 3 hours.
[06:04] <jea> At GC they just demolished an entire carpark for the development. Paid parking would help them out a lot during the upgrade, so what spaces are left are not taking by people on the bus
[06:05] <jared> And if I am it's because I'm buying stuff, therefore parking will be free anyway.
[06:05] <jea> Neither. In and out quickly suits me
[06:05] <jared> jea: with garden city all you do is arrive right on 9am when they open up the car park near the bus way so you just drive straight into an empty car park.
[06:05] <jared> If you're there early trying to get a park don't bother, you just have to wait until they open it.
[06:06] <jea> I only found out yesterday that you didn't have to pay if you buy a certain amount
[06:06] <jared> Yeah you get an hour extra free for $50 and if you spend $200 it's free for all day.
[06:06] <jared> Something along those lines anyway.
[06:06] <jea> Ok. I suspect I will never be there long enough to find out
[06:07] <jea> and yes, the David Jones carpark at GC is useful for the late opening time. not that I shop at that time very much
[06:09] <jared> GC is my local "big" shopping centre. Realistically the CBD is closer but it's a pain
[06:10] <jea> GC is closest to us also. We often go to Carindale though due to having more shops available
[06:10] <jea> looking forward to the new shops in GC though
[06:10] <jea> two netsplits. that is a but much
[06:12] <jea> netsplits got a bit confusing then, so reconnected


[15:01]  * skaet waves
[15:01] <micahg> o/
[15:02] <skaet> #startmeeting
[15:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:02. The chair is skaet.
[15:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:02] <skaet> [Topic] Oneiric Release Meeting overview - skaet_
[15:02] <skaet> .
[15:02] <skaet> Agenda is at:
[15:02] <skaet> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-09-05
[15:02] <skaet> A couple of folk are traveling, and having schedule conflicts, so we'll be moving a few folks around from the usual pattern today.
[15:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Oneiric Release Meeting overview - skaet_
[15:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-09-05
[15:02] <skaet> .
[15:02] <skaet> Events Approaching:
[15:02] <skaet> • 11.10 FeatureFreeze : August 11, 2011 at 1800 UTC
[15:02] <skaet> • Beta 1: Sept 1, 2011.
[15:02] <skaet> .
[15:03] <skaet> Other News:
[15:03] <skaet> Alpha 3 11.10 release!   A big THANK YOU to all developers, testers and release team members who helped make it happen!!   :)
[15:03] <skaet> .
[15:03] <skaet> Bugs targetted for this release can be found:
[15:03] <skaet> [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs
[15:03] <skaet> Bugs milestoned for oneiric beta-1 are at:
[15:03] <skaet> [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=39143
[15:03] <skaet> .
[15:03] <skaet> Reminder:   please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing.   If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait.
[15:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs
[15:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=39143
[15:03] <skaet> questions?
[15:03] <skaet> ..
[15:03] <micahg> o/
[15:03] <skaet> yup micahg ?
[15:03] <micahg> link to topic is broken
[15:03] <micahg> s/topic/agenda/
[15:04] <micahg> should be https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-08-05
[15:04] <micahg> ..
[15:04] <skaet> s/09/08/
[15:04] <skaet> yup.
[15:04] <skaet> sorry about that.
[15:04] <skaet> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-08-05
[15:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-08-05
[15:04] <skaet> thanks for pointing it out micahg :)
[15:05] <skaet> any other questions?
[15:05] <skaet> if not,  on to the round table.
[15:05] <skaet> [TOPIC] QA team update -  pgraner
[15:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA team update -  pgraner
[15:06] <pgraner> == Results of Alpha 3 ISO Testing ==
[15:06] <pgraner> Thanks again to all the testers! We couldn't have done it with out you.
[15:06] <pgraner> Testing report
[15:06] <pgraner> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ReleaseReports/OneiricAlpha3TestReport
[15:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ReleaseReports/OneiricAlpha3TestReport
[15:06] <pgraner> List of bugs found during testing
[15:06] <pgraner> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ReleaseReports/OneiricAlpha3TestReport/Failures
[15:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ReleaseReports/OneiricAlpha3TestReport/Failures
[15:06] <pgraner> Email of test bugs found broken out by team sent to ubuntu-devel
[15:06] <pgraner> [LINK] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-August/033904.html
[15:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-August/033904.html
[15:06] <pgraner> The QA team will be reviewing all bugs in 7 days and following up with the teams on the ones that have not changed status.
[15:06] <pgraner> Note to the defect analysts & engineering teams:
[15:06] <pgraner> 13 bugs out of a total of 77 are still in New/Undecided status and need triage
[15:06] <pgraner> 4 bugs are High or Critical importance and not assigned
[15:06] <pgraner> ..
[15:06] <skaet> Thanks pgraner!
[15:07] <skaet> any questions?
[15:07] <skaet> [TOPIC] Hardware Certification team update - mlegris
[15:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Hardware Certification team update - mlegris
[15:07] <mlegris> Hi all!
[15:07] <skaet> :)
[15:07] <mlegris> [Week 31 Testing report]
[15:07] <mlegris> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/hw-testing/week31_2011.html
[15:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/hw-testing/week31_2011.html
[15:07] <mlegris> .
[15:07] <mlegris> Bugs:
[15:07] <mlegris> *  Bug #810145 - unity-panel-service crashes
[15:07] <mlegris> *  Bug #708286 - Resume after suspend not working - Toshiba Tecra R700R
[15:07] <mlegris> .
[15:07] <mlegris> Next week will be reserved for Alpha 3 testing, so no report next week
[15:07] <mlegris> ..
[15:08] <skaet> Thanks mlegris!
[15:08] <skaet> bugs have been noted.
[15:08] <skaet> any questions?
[15:09] <skaet> [TOPIC] Security team update
[15:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security team update
[15:09] <micahg> o/
[15:09] <skaet> :)
[15:09] <micahg> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:09] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:09] <micahg> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-security.html
[15:09] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-security.html
[15:09] <micahg> We are on the trend line for our assigned work items in our blueprints. We are trying to balance reactive security with work items at this time, and are getting to our remaining work items as time allows. We are hopeful several apparmor work items that our team is responsible for will be completed in the coming weeks.
[15:10] <skaet> ..?
[15:11] <micahg> I don't really see any bugs worth highlighting for our team
[15:12] <micahg> I will mention that apparmor might need a freeze exception
[15:12] <micahg> ..
[15:12] <skaet> thanks micahg!
[15:12] <skaet> appreciate the pre-warning about apparmor.
[15:12] <skaet> any questions?
[15:12] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kernel team update - ogasawara
[15:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel team update - ogasawara
[15:12] <ogasawara> Overall status is reported at the first link below.  Burn down for Oneiric Beta-1 is at the second link below.  Burndown for the cycle is at the third link:
[15:12] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:12] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-11.10-beta-1.html
[15:12] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[15:12] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:12] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-11.10-beta-1.html
[15:12] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team.svg
[15:13] <ogasawara> The first stable update from upstream for v3.0.1 has landed.  I plan to rebase our Oneiric kernel and upload today.  This upload will also contain misc bug fixes which we've been queuing.  We are even with our Beta 1 burn down line and are slightly over in our overall burndown.  We'll go through our remaining work items and get them sorted to keep us on track.  From a quick glance, the remaining work items are not release
[15:13] <ogasawara> critical.
[15:13] <ogasawara> Of the bugs called out on the agenda against the kernel, status is as follows:
[15:13] <ogasawara> #542660: looks to be related to EFI boot not loading the video bios into ram.
[15:13] <ogasawara> #557261: bug reporter has followed up in the upstream bug report regarding the driver warning, still no response yet.  Still not convinced the driver warning is the root cause of the usb-creator persistence issue.  Asked for testing with Alpha 3.
[15:13] <ogasawara> #754711: on a 3.0 oneiric kernel, system now suspends but doesn't resume.  systemtap debug scripts to help investigate are being worked on for Oneiric, see 815944.
[15:13] <ogasawara> #758486: updated debug information attached, investigation ongoing.
[15:13] <ogasawara> #760131: partly fixed in Oneiric and soon natty, more analysis ongoing upstream.
[15:13] <ogasawara> #784937: investigation by kernel dev still ongoing as well as discussion with upstream.
[15:13] <ogasawara> #790712: the order 5 allocation seems to be bogus and non-fatal; further investigation ongoing.
[15:13] <ogasawara> #791850: kernel dev able to reproduce on a CentOS test system. investigation remains ongoing but at least not blocking on amazon now.
[15:14] <ogasawara> Questions?
[15:14] <ogasawara> ..
[15:14] <skaet> Thanks ogasawara!
[15:14]  * skaet looks around...
[15:14] <skaet> ok,  moving on
[15:14] <skaet> [TOPIC] Foundations team update
[15:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Foundations team update
[15:15] <skaet> slangasek?
[15:15] <skaet> hmm..
[15:16] <skaet> anyone from foundations around today?
[15:16] <skaet> moving on then....
[15:16] <skaet> [TOPIC] Server team update - Daviey
[15:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server team update - Daviey
[15:16] <Daviey> o/
[15:16] <Daviey> short one this week.
[15:17] <Daviey> There isn't much to report due to the largely successful Alpha  release.  However, looking forward it is expected that the ISO will be somewhat unstable for the next ~2 weeks with the mountain of MIR's begining to land.
[15:17] <Daviey> The release bugs which are being tracked by us, if there are any missing please let me know ASAP:
[15:17] <Daviey> http://people.ubuntu.com/~davewalker/release-bugs.html
[15:17] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~davewalker/release-bugs.html
[15:17] <Daviey> Next week most of the server team will be attending various sprints, including an LXC and an OpenStack one.  Which means that the global overview might not recieve as much attention as we will be working on specific bugs and feature work.
[15:17] <Daviey> Questions?
[15:17] <Daviey> ..
[15:17] <skaet> Thanks Daviey!
[15:17] <Daviey> Just one comment..
[15:18] <Daviey> We might be needing some help from AA's to work through our queue.
[15:18] <Daviey> And we might require a blanket freeze exception for a few packages we are sharing development cycle of.
[15:19] <Daviey> That is really EOF now.
[15:19]  * skaet appreciated the nice low drama A3 from the server team, btw.
[15:19] <Daviey> o/
[15:19] <Daviey> skaet: It just means there is more fun next milestone :)
[15:19] <skaet> Daviey,  yup.
[15:19]  * hggdh shudders, but just a bit
[15:19] <skaet> when will you have a breakdown of what's going to need FFE?
[15:20] <Daviey> skaet: Mid next week.
[15:20] <Daviey> Or at least by release meting next week
[15:21] <skaet> hmm,  just before FF on Thursday huh...  :/
[15:21] <skaet> ah well.
[15:21] <skaet> any other questions for server team?
[15:21] <Daviey> skaet: Well we won't need FFe before FF :)
[15:21]  * skaet likes micahg's approach ... ;)
[15:22] <skaet> [TOPIC] ARM team update - NCommander or ogra_
[15:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM team update - NCommander or ogra_
[15:22] <ogra_> hey
[15:22] <skaet> :)
[15:22] <ogra_> = Full Status is at: =
[15:22] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:22] <ogra_> --
[15:22] <ogra_> = Summary =
[15:22] <ogra_>  - Bootstrapping of armhf in ubuntu has started
[15:22] <ogra_>  - Live build issues with filesystem resize speed are still being investigated
[15:22] <ogra_>  - Kernel/bootloader postinst handling for arm is fixed.
[15:22] <ogra_>  - Cleanup of jasper (our resizing tool) is ongoing
[15:22] <ogra_>  - AC100 image is in progess
[15:22] <ogra_>  - mx5 images are in progress
[15:22] <ogra_>  - new unique tests for server features were implemented during server QA testing
[15:22] <ogra_> --
[15:22] <ogra_> = Image Status =
[15:22] <ogra_>  - Desktop images built fine
[15:22] <ogra_>  - Server images build and install fine
[15:23] <ogra_>  - Netboot images work fine
[15:23] <ogra_> --
[15:23] <ogra_> = Specs =
[15:23] <ogra_>  - Entire http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html
[15:23] <ogra_>  - B1 http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-ubuntu-11.10-beta-1.html
[15:23] <ogra_>    (the tracker has not been fixed yet for the new LP name of the ubuntu-arm team)
[15:23] <ogra_> --
[15:23] <ogra_> thats all :)
[15:23] <ogra_> ..
[15:23] <skaet> Thanks ogra_ !
[15:23] <skaet> when will the ac100 and mx5 images first show up in the dailies?
[15:24] <ogra_> i hope latest by mid next week for ac100, cant easily say for mx5 since the developer doing it was lacking hardware until recnetly
[15:24]  * skaet is starting to worry its getting very close to FF time...
[15:24] <ogra_> yes :(
[15:25] <skaet> ok,  will keep fingers crossed.
[15:25] <skaet> is netboot omap3 figured out?
[15:25] <ogra_> :) we'll make it, no worries :)
[15:25] <ogra_> i think NCommander was looking at it, there is a bug on the status wikipage
[15:26] <ogra_> bug 820621
[15:26] <skaet> ogra_, ok,  will ask him about it a bit later then. :)   thanks.
[15:26] <skaet> any other questions for arm team?
[15:27] <skaet> [TOPIC] Linaro update - rsalveti or fabo
[15:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Linaro update - rsalveti or fabo
[15:28]  * skaet looks around for fabo or rsalveti ???
[15:29] <skaet> [TOPIC] Ubuntu One Team -  Chipaca or joshuahoover
[15:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu One Team -  Chipaca or joshuahoover
[15:29] <skaet> hmm... doesn't look like they're around either.
[15:29] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Team update - kenvandine
[15:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop Team update - kenvandine
[15:29]  * kenvandine waves
[15:29] <skaet> :)
[15:29] <kenvandine> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[15:29] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[15:30] <kenvandine> not much to report a3 was quiet for us
[15:30] <kenvandine> however, we expect lots to land right at FF
[15:30] <kenvandine> so expect fun next week :)
[15:30]  * skaet will put out a plea for AA's...
[15:31] <kenvandine> nothing else to report, questions?
[15:31] <skaet> any update on when the lightdm fixes will be landing?
[15:32] <kenvandine> not really, i would expect next week though
[15:32] <kenvandine> robert has been away
[15:32] <kenvandine> but will be back from vacation monday, however at desktop summit
[15:32] <kenvandine> but afaik we aren't concerned about it
[15:32] <kenvandine> should be ok :)
[15:33] <skaet> kenvandine, ok.  thanks for setting expectations.   Some of the interactions need to be sorted with the flavours a bit.
[15:33] <kenvandine> pitti will be back next week, sort of
[15:34] <skaet> i'll follow up with him and pitti next week.  :)
[15:34] <skaet> pitti at desktop summit too?
[15:34] <kenvandine> hackfest after desktop summit
[15:34] <skaet> ahh...
[15:34] <skaet> ok
[15:34] <kenvandine> not sure if he is going to be at the summit too
[15:34] <skaet> fair enough.   anyone else have questions?
[15:34] <kenvandine> but he will be online at least
[15:35] <skaet> :)
[15:35] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth or njpatel
[15:35] <MootBot> New Topic:  Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth or njpatel
[15:35] <dbarth> hey
[15:35] <skaet> :)
[15:35] <dbarth> usual report at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/OneiricReleaseStatus
[15:35] <dbarth> not everyone's at the desktop summit
[15:35] <dbarth> good news: we have a nice unity update, with new lens views, along with the lib update earlier this week
[15:36] <dbarth> and it's making its way also in unity-2d
[15:36] <dbarth> bad news: we're badly stuck with compiz
[15:36] <dbarth> issues with gsettings (just solved 15 min. ago, hoping not to find more later on)
[15:37] <dbarth> and the stacking issue is still not fixed
[15:37] <dbarth> we'll be generating new tarballs and test pacakages this week-end, to get some proper testing for next week
[15:38] <dbarth> and finally on the CJK issue: brandon updated his patch, this should be the right one for an ubuntu upload
[15:38] <dbarth> (didrocks said he was pleased, so i trust him :)
[15:38] <skaet> :)
[15:38] <dbarth> we identified a gap in the ZG FTS extension, but nothing ,ajor
[15:39] <dbarth> and im/ibus support work started this week
[15:39] <dbarth> ..
[15:39] <skaet> Thanks dbarth!
[15:39] <skaet> next wednesday for the drop?
[15:40] <dbarth> yes, that's the plan
[15:40] <dbarth> be with us on wednesday
[15:40] <skaet> coolio.   :)
[15:41] <skaet> any other questions for dbarth ?
[15:41] <dbarth> but ahem, i'll have an FFE or two as well
[15:41] <skaet> .....?
[15:41] <dbarth> missing views in the dash (we're too tight) and a new lens
[15:42] <dbarth> by views, i mean previews for certain doc. types; the overall structure will be in place
[15:43] <skaet> ack.   consider expectations set.
[15:43] <skaet> :)
[15:43]  * skaet keeping fingers crossed is not too far after FF
[15:44] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kubuntu Team update - ScottK
[15:44] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kubuntu Team update - ScottK
[15:45]  * skaet looks around for ScottK?
[15:45] <skaet> [TOPIC] Edubuntu Team update - highvoltage or stgraber
[15:45] <MootBot> New Topic:  Edubuntu Team update - highvoltage or stgraber
[15:46] <skaet> [TOPIC] Xubuntu Team update - charlie-tca
[15:46] <MootBot> New Topic:  Xubuntu Team update - charlie-tca
[15:46]  * charlie-tca nods
[15:46] <skaet> :)
[15:46] <charlie-tca> Alpha3 was not released for Xubuntu; images worked Monday and failed after that.
[15:46] <charlie-tca> We are still trying to find the cause
[15:46] <charlie-tca> * #789333: "users-admin crashes on start because of mixed GTK2 and 3 symbols"
[15:47] <charlie-tca> I don't know what we will do for this one yet
[15:47] <charlie-tca> We are trying not to use gtk3 since Xfce 4.8 doesn't need it
[15:47] <charlie-tca> * #799238: "Xubuntu i386 and amd64 20110618 xserver abort" - resolved with current xorg
[15:48] <charlie-tca> * #799754: "Please let vendors easily provide their own config"
[15:48] <charlie-tca> Needs help to get it resolved from Robert Ancell
[15:48] <charlie-tca> * #820731: "Oneiric Ocelot Xubuntu Desktop images fail to install" - Still trying to find the reason; both Ubuntu and Kubuntu install to the same hardware
[15:48] <charlie-tca> * #820460: "Encrypted LVM install will not allow login in Xubuntu Alpha3" - Haven't had time to do anything with this yet.
[15:48] <charlie-tca> The other bugs are blocked by issues with lightdm
[15:49] <skaet> kenvandine, ^^
[15:49] <charlie-tca> and, I am sorry, but
[15:49] <charlie-tca> lightdm has real issues for derivatives. The question right now is whether or not we will be able to use it.
[15:49] <charlie-tca> Any questions?
[15:49] <charlie-tca> ..
[15:49] <skaet> Thanks charlie-tca!
[15:49] <kenvandine> skaet, noted
[15:50] <skaet> charlie-tca, will let you know if I hear further news on lightdm.
[15:50] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[15:50] <skaet> any quesitons for charlie-tca?
[15:50] <skaet> [TOPIC] Lubuntu Team update - gilir
[15:50] <MootBot> New Topic:  Lubuntu Team update - gilir
[15:51] <gilir> hi :)
[15:51] <skaet> :)
[15:51] <gilir>  First, thanks to all people who make Lubuntu images possible :)
[15:51] <skaet> +1
[15:51] <gilir> Alpha 3 is the 1st Lubuntu 0neiric IS0 in shape for testing
[15:52] <gilir> So far, not so bad, essential items are working (installing, live session ...)
[15:52] <gilir> Next step is to finish updates of new upstream releases before FF
[15:52] <gilir> And try to switch back to lightdm by default if the problems reported by other flavors are solved
[15:53] <gilir> Also, we will probably need some help to setup alternate ISO from daily builds, if they don't magically pop up on cdimages in the next days :)
[15:53] <gilir> Any questions ?
[15:53] <gilir> ..
[15:53] <skaet> Thanks gilir!   and congratulations on getting first Lubuntu images published!
[15:54] <skaet> we're seeing a bit of space issues on cdimage,  so that might be a factor.
[15:54] <charlie-tca> +1
[15:54] <skaet> we should be moving to more disk space next week,  but please let us know on #ubuntu-release if it looks like that may be a factor.
[15:55] <skaet> for the alternate images.  :)
[15:55] <skaet> any other questions?
[15:55] <skaet> [TOPIC] Toolchain update - slangasek or doko
[15:55] <MootBot> New Topic:  Toolchain update - slangasek or doko
[15:56]  * skaet not sure they're here,  but figured best to check again...
[15:56] <skaet> MOTU is not able to make it today,  so...
[15:56] <skaet> [TOPIC] any other business?   last comments/questions?
[15:56] <MootBot> New Topic:  any other business?   last comments/questions?
[15:56] <micahg> o/
[15:56] <skaet> go micahg
[15:57] <micahg> I could give a quick MOTU update
[15:57] <skaet> please do micahg
[15:57] <skaet> :)
[15:57] <micahg> ~440 packages in universe still FTBFS across all archs
[15:57] <micahg> ~150 packages that haven't been merged from Debian this cycle
[15:58] <micahg> ~160 requests for new upstream versions of software
[15:58] <micahg> eclipse will probably need an FFe
[15:58] <micahg> are links for any of the above interesting?
[15:58] <skaet> micahg,  yes please.   nice and handy that way.
[15:59] <micahg> [LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=upgrade-software-version
[15:59] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=upgrade-software-version
[15:59] <micahg> [LINK] https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[15:59] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[15:59] <micahg> [LINK] http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/oneiric.html#universe
[15:59] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs/oneiric.html#universe
[16:00] <micahg> help from anyone appreciated
[16:00]  * skaet nods
[16:00] <micahg> I would suggest the first focus should be new version merges/updates before Feature freeze
[16:00] <micahg> ..
[16:01] <skaet> Thanks micahg!   appreciate you giving the update.  Yes new version merges should be done ASAP.  :)
[16:01] <skaet> any questions?
[16:02] <skaet> looks like its that time.
[16:02] <skaet> thanks everyone for a good meeting!
[16:02] <skaet> #endmeeting
[16:02] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:02.
[16:02] <charlie-tca> Thank you, skaet
[16:02] <skaet> Thank you micahg, pgraner, mlegris, ogasawara,  Daviey, kenvandine, dbarth,  ogra_ charlie-tca, gilir!
[16:02] <micahg> thanks skaet
[16:02] <kenvandine> thx!
[16:02] <charlie-tca> gilir: congrats on alpha3!
[16:03] <gilir> thanks charlie-tca :)
[17:52] <ScottK> Sorry.  Didn't think there would be a meeting today.