[02:21] <danjared> cyphermox: hey Mathieu, I was wondering where you were with your TPM ITPs (#815846 and #815849)
[05:48] <cpaelzer> good morning
[06:48] <pitti> Good morning
[07:56] <dholbach> good morning
[08:32] <LocutusOfBorg> hi folks, any core-dev here can upload llvm-toolchain-3.8 to main pretty please?
[08:32] <LocutusOfBorg> trivial diff, the stable 3.8 is out
[08:36] <LocutusOfBorg> I opened #1553923
[08:36] <LocutusOfBorg> doko asked me a while ago to do it :)
[08:52] <ginggs> LocutusOfBorg: i'll look at llvm-toolchain-3.8 now
[08:54] <LocutusOfBorg> ta
[09:45] <seb128> dear launchpad could you stop timeouting on bugs edit?
[10:30] <LocutusOfBorg> can anybody please ignore virtualbox autopkgtest?
[10:31] <LocutusOfBorg> they are xorg-server related
[10:45] <jtaylor> its getting really hard to backport packages to trusty, e.g. dpkg does not support !no-check
[10:46] <jtaylor> which makes backporting dpkg impossible, which is needed for a lot of other packages
[10:47] <jtaylor> are there maybe plans to bootstrap a newer dpkg into trusty to help backporting?
[11:29] <LocutusOfBorg> ok folks, I'm really lost.
[11:29] <LocutusOfBorg> ismrmrd is failing for armhf, but working correctly on pbuilder-qemu chroot
[11:29] <LocutusOfBorg> same toolchain, seems the ubuntu builders are somewhat broken
[11:30] <LocutusOfBorg> unknown location(0): fatal error in "test_acquisition_header": memory access violation at address: 0xbefd15da: invalid address alignment
[11:30] <LocutusOfBorg> Test is aborted
[12:48] <mapreri> LocutusOfBorg: imho you should get per-package upload rights for llvm-toolchain (at least)
[12:52] <LocutusOfBorg> or bother about becoming core-dev (joke)
[12:52] <LocutusOfBorg> :)
[12:53] <mapreri> can some core-dev try having a look at maybe syncing python-pymysql?
[13:27] <ginggs> mapreri: 'requestsync -e python-pymysql'
[13:37] <cyphermox> danjared: should be done today
[14:13] <mterry> seb128, re: MIR bug 1552507, is that something the desktop team would look after?
[14:14] <seb128> mterry, yes
[14:14] <mterry> seb128, can you bug subscribe?  that's all that's left for the MIR
[14:15] <seb128> mterry, done
[14:15] <mterry> seb128, thanks!
[14:15] <seb128> mterry, yw!
[14:19] <smb> mvo, Hm, did something change so a Xenial desktop may not look for dep-11 data on "apt-get update"?
[14:21] <mvo> smb: there was a new apt version a couple of days ago, but the changes are very small and isolated, I (strongly) doubt this broke anything. what issue do you see? the appstream metadata is not downloading? or do you use something other dep11 metadata?
[14:24] <smb> mvo, Oh I try try (or tried to) verify fixes to older apt-cacher-ng installs (P and T) and in the pastapt-get update was showing errors with an older caching... But today I fail to get those. Maybe something else I installed on the test box...
[14:26] <mvo> smb: ok, please let me know if you have more details or if there is anything I can do
[14:26] <smb> mvo, will do. was just wondering whether that maybe got disabled for normal desktops and I dig around for nothing.
[14:40] <tjaalton> how can kvm hosts recover a host network restart? they all use the bridge provided by host
[14:40] <tjaalton> *kvm guests
[14:41] <caribou> xnox: just saw your s390x sosreport plugin issue, just let me know if I can help
[14:41] <xnox> caribou, well, it was more of a todo item for myself =)
[14:41] <xnox> caribou, in general we have a debug.sh script in s390-tools which collects half the things sosreport does, and does a few z Series specific things
[14:42] <xnox> caribou, imho all the juicy bits should be merged into sosreport.
[14:42] <caribou> xnox: the plugin is not enabled for Ubuntu/Debian so it will only work on RedHat,
[14:42] <xnox> caribou, oh.
[14:42] <xnox> caribou, maybe we shall fix that on s390x =) cause we have s390x on ubuntu....
[14:42] <caribou> xnox: then just send them my way and I'll get them upstream
[14:42] <caribou> xnox: indeed, I'll fix that up
[14:43] <xnox> caribou, is that a packaging change....
[14:43]  * xnox takes a look
[14:43] <caribou> xnox: small change in the plugin; look at other 'enabled' pluging (juju is one)
[14:44] <caribou> xnox: I'm part of the upstream dev team, that could help
[14:45] <xnox> let me make a merge proposal then =)
[14:45] <xnox> ;-)
[14:45] <caribou> xnox: well juju is not a good example as it is only enabled for Ubuntu
[14:46] <xnox> i found e.g. dbus.py
[14:46] <xnox> which is what i need/want =)
[14:47] <caribou> xnox: FYI, I'm currently reorganizing the sosreport git repo so the debian bits are kept on alioth
[14:56] <barry> pitti: can you poke python-virtualenv 14.0.5+ds-6 in s390x?  it's been sitting in "Test in progress" since the weekend and it's holding up python-pip migration
[15:46] <xnox> arges, thank you. appointed.
[15:53] <arges> xnox: : )
[16:34] <Beret> can someone tell me why software-properties-common requires unattended-upgrades?
[16:34] <rbasak> mvo: can you help? ^^
[16:34] <Beret> it's quite reasonable that one would want add-apt-repository without unattended-upgrades - especially now that they're on by default
[16:45] <Beret> mvo, can you guys sort - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/831487 ?
[18:18] <ogra_> infinity, bug 1553110 seems to get worse the deeper i dig
[18:32] <juliank> cjwatson: mvo: Can someone syncpackage apt 1.2.5 now?
[18:33] <juliank> I forgot to mention this when I woke up
[18:33] <juliank> cjwatson: Given that you want to issue your commit in there as an SRU :)
[18:42] <juliank> And at the end of the week, there will be 1.2.6 which fixes a stack buffer overflow
[18:42] <juliank> (outside of parser code, in the solver, when you do crazy things; and caught by stack protector)
[18:43] <juliank> So _low_-risk
[18:44] <juliank> I could also release that now, though
[19:02] <juliank> OK, I released apt 1.2.6 now. It might make sense to get that diff into trusty as well: https://paste.debian.net/412876/
[19:02] <juliank> (That's the backport to pre-C++11 compilers)
[19:14] <jderose> cyphermox: this week oem-config seems very broken. as far as i can tell, the underlying problem is the "oem" user isn't getting removed after oem-config-firstboot runs
[19:46] <cyphermox> jderose: ack, please file a bug and I'll test it here and fix whatever is it that got broken
[19:46] <jderose> cyphermox: just finished filing a bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1554194
[19:46] <jderose> cyphermox: not sure it's actually a Ubiquity bug yet, could have been broken by other changes too :)
[19:47] <cyphermox> well, there wasn't a new ubiquity I know of that would have broken it this week
[19:49] <jderose> cyphermox: it might have been introduced in 2.21.47, it's been a while since i checked. i was originally going to follow up with an issue with oem-config + encrypted home directory, but seems since i last tested, oem-config got kinda broken overall
[19:49] <cyphermox> ok
[19:49] <cyphermox> well, things change, maybe this happened as a side-effect of some other thing
[19:50] <jderose> yeah, could be. that's my guess actually, but i don't know for sure yet :)
[19:53] <cyphermox> :)
[20:31] <smoser> is there a reason that 'journal -x -o verbose' would not seem to show a service file output ? ('systemctl status pollinate' shows it ran and had output)
[20:31] <smoser> i was hoping to basically get a log of all 'Starting' like things
[20:32] <tjaalton> so with the dhclient/bind bug in xenial I'm forced to restart networking on my kvm host, but it kills network on the guests.. how to fix that?
[20:34] <tjaalton> [277346.078520] br0: port 5(vnet3) entered disabled state
[20:34] <tjaalton> etc
[20:34] <smoser> tjaalton, what is forcing you to restart networking ?
[20:34] <tjaalton> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isc-dhcp/+bug/1551351
[21:17] <mvo> rbasak: lets talk tomorrow, I only saw the question about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/831487 now
[21:17] <mvo> juliank: I can do a sync if it was not done already
[22:04] <slangasek> nacc: php-imagick is unblocked in proposed-migration now, but there are packages that still depend on php5-imagick, so it won't propagate: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt
[22:04] <nacc> slangasek: looking
[22:05] <slangasek> and I hinted wrong, so php7.0 isn't yet a candidate but will be in the next p-m run
[22:05] <nacc> slangasek: ok, i see the list, can i provide additional debdiffs in the same bug for the other packages? will need to build & test them here first
[22:06] <slangasek> nacc: sure, just make sure you open bug tasks against those source packages
[22:06] <nacc> slangasek: yep, will do
[22:06] <nacc> slangasek: thanks for all your help! i know this one has been bad


[10:40] <rbasak> It's been a while since I've seen a DKMS build failure presumably (not verified) due to kernel package changes or HWE kernels or suchlike.
[10:41] <rbasak> bug 1783085
[10:41] <ubot5`> bug 1783085 in open-vm-tools (Ubuntu) "open-vm-tools-dkms 2:10.0.7-3227872-5ubuntu1~16.04.2: open-vm-tools kernel module failed to build [error: implicit declaration of function ‘init_timer_deferrable’]" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1783085
[10:41] <rbasak> How are these handled nowadays?
[10:42] <apw> rbasak, they shoud be being caught in ADT and preventing our kernels releasing in principle
[10:43] <apw> smb, ^
[12:14] <smb> apw, rbasak, they normally should, have not yet looked at the matrix to verify, though. There is only one drawback which is new kernel versions becoming hwe(-edge). But from the mentioned version this is xenial which should not change that much
[12:29] <smb> apw, so I looked at the adt page, the bug report is about hwe (4.15) kernel and those, and the adt matrix has neutral and fail which means likely it never worked since we got the 4.15 in xenial and as usual we have too much on our plates to get it all done
[12:30] <apw> if it has never worked with hwe, that is a thing at least; meaning we might not have intended to make it work
[12:41] <smb> apw, yeah, well we may have had good intentions...
[12:41] <smb> just practically ...
[12:43] <rbasak> smb, apw: thank you for looking! How should be triage the bug, set user expectations, etc?
[12:45] <smb> rbasak, not quite sure... sounds like cpaelzer was talking to klebers about the same on a different channel
[12:48] <smb> cpaelzer, I believe you said that open-vm-tools would normally be verified by someone else...


[00:00] <smoser> i use that everywhere, and see 'apt-get' output to that file.
[00:00] <smoser> and also, you *should* get it on the ec2 console
[00:01] <harlowja> *or openstack console
[00:01] <smoser> right.
[00:01] <smoser> there is a bug for the python2.7 thing
[00:01] <harlowja> 2.7 to new and hot
[00:01] <harlowja> ha
[00:03] <smoser> ctracey, feel free to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1232175
[00:04] <smoser> i released 0.7.3. and there was one thing that needed fixing
[00:04] <smoser> whihc is now fixed in trunk
[00:04] <smoser> i'd take your 2.6 fix also, and then release 0.7.4
[00:05] <smoser> i *would* do <IP_ADDRESS>, but i dont want to deal with any fallout of the additional dot
[00:08] <harlowja> to many dots!
[00:08] <harlowja> :)
[00:09] <harlowja> btw, smoser  taskflow 0.1 coming out tommorow
[00:09] <harlowja> u excited??
[00:09] <harlowja> ha
[00:10]  * smoser googles
[00:10] <smoser> awesome.
[00:11] <harlowja> ha
[00:11] <harlowja> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TaskFlow
[00:11] <harlowja> https://github.com/stackforge/taskflow
[00:12] <harlowja> and yes it even mostly works, ha
[00:13] <harlowja> ^^ why i haven't been so active in cloudinit
[00:23] <smoser> harlowja is one smart dude
[00:23] <harlowja> ha
[00:24] <harlowja> nah
[00:24] <harlowja> its just something openstack (imho) really really needs
[00:25] <harlowja> cause right now u stop nova-compute (the thing that manages the vms) to upgrade that code, and u lose who knows what that its actively doing
[00:25] <harlowja> what i call the poo cleanup crew
[00:25] <harlowja> so taskflow tracks enough of that state itself that it can just resume from where it left off :-P
[00:25] <harlowja> no poo cleanup crew required
[00:28] <harlowja> and its also going to hopefully be the core of https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mistral (TBD)
[00:29] <harlowja> *and in my dream world, it will be at the core of the rest of the projects
[00:34] <harlowja> cinder is already starting to use it, nova soon i hope
[00:35] <smoser> but what will happen to the poo cleaner uppers ?
[00:35] <smoser> will they find new jobs ?
[00:36] <smoser> what about their healthcare?
[00:38] <harlowja> ha
[00:39] <harlowja> no obamacare for poo cleaners
[01:00] <harlowja> *do we still have a government in the US
[01:00]  * harlowja checking news, ha
[01:07] <harlowja> seems like we don't, US gov people need to have there heads checked
[01:08] <harlowja> those people so crazy


[09:38] <czajkowski> I'd be well pissed if someone decided to bring a kid even if I said no kids
[09:38] <mungbean> they said because of space on the invite.
[09:38] <diplo> yeah I didn't want them at mine, I love kids ( have 2 ) but not at my wedding day :D
[09:38] <czajkowski> *shrugs*
[09:38] <mungbean> obviously i would ask first maybe infomrally via another channel
[09:38] <czajkowski> if others do the same thing, then eventually there will be no space :)
[09:38] <mungbean> babes in arms is not the same as kids
[09:38] <czajkowski> mungbean: you clearly haev your mind made up :)
[09:38] <Myrtti> go and ask them.
[09:38] <Myrtti> I'm sure you'll get some kind of an answer.
[09:38] <mungbean> i will find out, but not ask directly in case they feel obliged to say yes
[09:39] <Myrtti> this discussion makes my mind set more and more for elopement
[09:39] <Myrtti> less hassle++
[09:39] <czajkowski> Myrtti: true, and people tend to not respect peoples wishes
[09:39] <czajkowski> which is shite tbh
[09:40] <Myrtti> I wouldn't know about that, I've never organised anything where I've had other wishes than "please come"
[09:40] <Myrtti> and I've tried not to organise anything too.
[09:40] <Myrtti> I escaped my 30th birthday to a cottage in Cornwall.
[09:40] <czajkowski> hehe I went to canada for mine
[09:40] <czajkowski> and managed to upset my entire family by doing so
[09:41] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:41] <BigRedS> Gooood Morning!
[09:42] <bigcalm> Vietnam?
[09:42] <Myrtti> I should continue my jumper.
[09:44] <diplo> I'm going to go away for my birthday for the same reason
[09:46] <Myrtti> my main reason was to give my family and relatives an excuse to not get me any presents and for me to escape the harsh reality that I wouldn't get anything useful or reciprocal to what I've given them anyway
[09:49] <BigRedS> I've never understood the idea of a useful present
[09:50] <BigRedS> I always buy people useless tat
[09:50] <mungbean> amazon wish list seems to work well for my family
[09:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> We had a "no kids" wedding. Totally Black Tie event. Would have been outraged if anyone had brought a kid along. In fact I would have kicked them out.
[09:50] <diplo> Myrtti: I'd rather I didn't get anything, but people never listen :)
[09:50] <BigRedS> "Kits will be shot on sight"
[09:50] <BigRedS> er, kids
[09:50] <diplo> TheOpenSourcerer: My uncle and auntie still brought their kids, even though I had explicitly called her and told her why :/
[09:51] <mungbean> i think i go to different kind of weddings
[09:51] <diplo> heh, most of the weddings i go to allow kids mungbean
[09:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> diplo: I would have evicted them.
[09:51] <diplo> Mine was on a very tight budget ( i paid ) and I also didn't want kids there :)
[09:51] <mungbean> most of my family are erally close and would love to have kids but there's just not enough room
[09:52] <diplo> Should have done yeah, my ex was quite annoyed
[09:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> It is the bride and groom's day. If they do not want kids then they DO NOT WANT KIDS.  I buy my nieces and nephews mobile phone charging cable, hair straightener iron, shaving kit, laptop batteries and harddrives, mobile phone covers etc.
[09:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hold a separate event for families and have a bouncy castle ;-)
[09:54] <mungbean> i'm obviously gonna ask, but there will be a couple of close friends who will have v young babies that are a bit young to stay with anyone else, and would be carried etc, hence without baby then cannot come
[09:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> In my boat that means they don't come then.
[09:54] <diplo> heh, I never know what to buy Myrtti. I am so awful at buying anything
[09:54] <mungbean> in which case, sometimes the couple say, of course bring the sprog, it's cos we don't have room for 1-15yr olds
[09:54] <mungbean> and other people say nope
[09:55] <mungbean> depends on the couple though
[09:55] <mungbean> its rude to not ask of course
[09:55] <Myrtti> atleast this Christmas I didn't get any cosmetics after telling people that I still have about 40kilos of Bodyshop stuff and I won't use them in my lifetime
[09:55] <mungbean> i used to imagine that after my nan died we'd find a room stacked to the ceriling with oil of ulay
[09:55] <Myrtti> "do not buy me moisturiser or bath bubbles, I won't be able to go through it"
[09:56] <DJones> We said no kids at our wedding, the only exception turned out to be an Aunty who was so near full term that she started with labour pain during the evening reception, didn't end up having the baby until 2 days later though
[09:56] <diplo> hah DJones, that would have been fun
[09:56] <diplo> An event to remember for everyone
[09:56] <DJones> IT would have made a mess of the dance floor
[09:57] <diplo> :)
[09:57] <mungbean> just anyone have any just cause ...ARTTTTTGFHGHGHGHHH
[09:57] <mungbean> iIIITITISSS COMING
[09:57] <Myrtti> WINTER IS COMING
[09:57] <Myrtti> PREPARE YOURSELVES!
[09:57] <DJones> mungbean: Is that with DJ playing pop-goes-the-weazel tune
[09:58] <diplo> Mates just sent me a image from his 35 holiday, says it's live the med on the devon coast, not sure if i like him anymore
[09:58] <diplo> :(
[09:58] <diplo> 35 quid*
[09:58] <mungbean> scummer
[09:58] <MooDoo> diplo: disown him
[09:58] <mungbean> i went to devon in june
[09:58] <mungbean> rain EVERY DAY
[09:59] <Myrtti> I should get on with planning the wedding tho
[09:59] <Myrtti> been nearly a year since I got my ring
[09:59] <mungbean> weddings are overrated
[09:59] <diplo> I need to plan my divorce :(
[09:59] <diplo> Put it off for 2 1/2 years already
[09:59] <MooDoo> diplo: :(
[10:00] <BigRedS> Myrtti: yeah, I generally get odd bits of outdoorsy/motorbikey/computery tat and trivia. I've been carrying around a bottle opener that I got that way for about 10 years now...
[10:00] <diplo> it costs sooooooo much!!!
[10:00] <mungbean> solicitor fees?
[10:00] <MooDoo> diplo: got kids?
[10:00] <mungbean> i keep watching hoarders next door and being inspired to tidy
[10:00] <diplo> Just everything, can get married for like 50 quid, going to cost me 7-800 to get divorced. yeah MooDoo
[10:00] <MooDoo> diplo: ah crap
[10:00] <diplo> She left me so I feel she should pay for it :/
[10:01] <czajkowski> diplo: why didnt you just ask them to leave
[10:02] <diplo> Because they had driven 200 miles, and didn't want to cause a family row, they kept them out of the way most of the time.
[10:02] <mungbean> the wedding is in sussex, one of you can go as my SO then
[10:02] <czajkowski> thats still shite
[10:02] <MooDoo> +1
[10:02] <awilkins> The wedding industry is like a country of ghouls that prey on the memories of Disney dreams that grown women carry from their childhood.
[10:02] <diplo> Yep, I even phoned them previously so my dad didn't have to do it and cause him any agro
[10:02] <czajkowski> and people who do it as they know the people who requested not to bring kids are ding it to suit themselves
[10:02] <mungbean> awilkins: creepy but lol
[10:03] <diplo> Well I got invited to one of the cousins wedding but didn't go in spite last year :D
[10:03] <awilkins> Seriously, paying £12,000 so 200 of my wife's relatives who I don't know (or care to know) can sit down to a chicken dinner in their Sunday best is not my idea of a useful spend
[10:03] <diplo> Should have taken my 2 boys up there though really, would have shown them!
[10:03] <diplo> :P
[10:03] <mungbean> weddings shouldn't be so massive, since if couples live together they are practically married already, and if they didn't then the marriage is the occasion, not the wedding
[10:04] <czajkowski> such a manly way of thinking lads :)
[10:04] <diplo> yeah my wedding itself was 40 people, evening about 120
[10:04] <mungbean> its always interesting looking at guest list of your wedding to think, why did i invite them?
[10:04] <diplo> Was great, everyone got totally drunk and did stupid dancing and stuff, most relaxed wedding i'd been to in years if i don't say so myself
[10:04]  * bigcalm intends to have a jolly good wedding in October. And a happy ever after. No Disney required :)
[10:05] <diplo> mungbean: I didn't invite any of the should I/ shouldn't I people, made that decision early on
[10:05] <czajkowski> I think every wedding is unique and cant really be compared tbh
[10:05] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I found some cufflinks!
[10:05] <awilkins> czajkowski, Wouldn't mind unique - would much prefer an effort to make unique memories every year
[10:05] <mungbean> i was so nervous for wedding i didn't enjoy it
[10:05] <diplo> I hate weddings themselves, would love to go to one of these ones where they dance and stuff, now that would make it less formal
[10:06] <bigcalm> Came by fedex this morning http://www.etsy.com/listing/61040400/sterling-silver-pacman-cufflinks
[10:06] <czajkowski> if ne group[ asks 200 people and the other 20 it's still their choice and their prerogative
[10:06] <davmor2> Morning all from 13.04 at last, shuggin fashin uefi
[10:06]  * mungbean has spitfire ones
[10:06] <czajkowski> bigcalm: nice
[10:06] <diplo> Never owned any cufflinks
[10:06]  * TheOpenSourcerer thought ours was brilliant.
[10:06] <czajkowski> I do like black tie events though
[10:07] <czajkowski> went to a lot of them in college any excuse to get into a ball gown
[10:07] <awilkins> But weddings are largely cookie cutter assembly line jobs in my XP - they have a whole industry dedicated to stamping them out and extracting the money from flowers, photos, party favours, chocolates to sit on the tables, cake, table decorations, balloons, the anchors you tie the balloons to ... etc etc etc etc etc
[10:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> We got married here and had the reception etc.
[10:07] <diplo> Never been to one myself
[10:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.clandonpark.co.uk/
[10:07] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: nice
[10:08] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I also have a set of minecraft ones coming from the US http://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/105932237/minecraft-creeper-cuff-links-laser-cut
[10:08] <czajkowski> awilkins: ours tend to be different and start off in church, and if not there, a pub before hand, then church, then post pup and then off to hotel foods drinks dancing and most definately ear hours singining
[10:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Went to one in Sligo that was a real craick czajkowski
[10:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> We all had to "do a trun" at the reception - much fun.
[10:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> s/trun/turn
[10:09] <czajkowski> aye mates one started at 2pm that was the drnks in the pub oposite the church and finished up at 6am and back up for 10am fry up followed by BBQ
[10:09] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: great night last friday! cant wait for next year.
[10:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh jeez - will you be coming again then?
[10:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> ;-)
[10:10]  * diplo wants to do a release party at some point, always falls when I have the kids :/
[10:10] <bigcalm> diplo: have a release party with them
[10:11] <DJones> Last wedding I was at was South AFrican themed, normal church wedding first, then wedding breakfast with south african bbq'd food, evening had south african drummers & dancers
[10:11] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: and we have the RAT to look forward to
[10:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Have a release party with a bouncy castle and/or water pistols ;-)
[10:11] <czajkowski> but wont be as yummy ciders :(
[10:11] <diplo> My youngest would be bored, my eldest already uses my ubuntu machine, just gets on and uses it, never asked why it's different from his windows laptop :)
[10:11] <SuperMatt> mmm... ciders
[10:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> czajkowski: Feck - you coming on that too?
[10:11] <diplo> Kids are great
[10:12] <mungbean> my 3yr old was sitting in bed this morning and had a piece of paper and crayon
[10:12] <mungbean> then he wrote his name
[10:12] <diplo> DJones: That sounds a great wedding, all the ones I attend bore me to death
[10:12] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: yup ;)
[10:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh lovely...
[10:12] <diplo> mungbean: first time ?
[10:12] <mungbean> completely independently . i was amazed
[10:12] <mungbean> yes
[10:12] <MooDoo> mungbean my 18 month old had paper and a crayon then though it would be more fun to write on the carpet
[10:12] <mungbean> it actually loked like proper letters
[10:12] <diplo> Cool, it's great the first time, they start writing everywhere else soon
[10:13] <diplo> Got my first name writing in a box in the loft, good memories
[10:13] <mungbean> yeah we used to put crayons back in a special tin
[10:13] <DJones> diplo: It was good, Cousin was born in SA & lived there for about 14 years before moving back to the UK,
[10:13] <mungbean> he has a mario booklet with paper in
[10:13] <mungbean> mario ,shaun the sheep and ninja warrior are faves atm
[10:15] <diplo> IF and that's a big if I ever get married again, I defo want to do something slightly different
[10:16] <DJones> Didn't somebody get married while doing a bungee jump (I seem to remember seeing pictures in the newspapers), That would be different :)
[10:17] <diplo> Sounds great, or a skydive!!
[10:17] <DJones> Yep, I thought I'd seen it http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1084734/Pictured-The-couple-wedding-kiss-upside-bungee-line.html
[10:18] <diplo> hah great!
[10:20] <DJones> Wasn't quite what I thought though, I had visions of bride & groom, vicar & witnesses bouncing up & down at the bottom of the bungee rope reciting the wedding vows
[10:21] <diplo> heh, I thought that as well. But 7k! ooer
[10:43] <bigcalm> Anybody know how I use openjdk-6 on 13.04?
[10:44] <directhex> 6?
[10:44] <bigcalm> 6
[10:44] <directhex> you don't
[10:44] <davmor2> bigcalm: see if there is a 6 first
[10:44] <directhex> well, you could download sun java from oracle
[10:44] <bigcalm> usc says that 6 is installed
[10:44] <bigcalm> (as well as 7)
[10:45] <directhex> left over from quantal
[10:45] <directhex> sudo update-alternatives --config java
[10:45] <bigcalm> I did a fresh install
[10:45] <bigcalm> Ta
[10:46] <bigcalm> Yep, listed 6. Thanks
[10:47] <SuperMatt> java /o\
[10:49] <bigcalm> I know jack about java. Makes getting this app to run rather tricky
[10:49]  * bigcalm pokes the developer some more
[10:50] <SuperMatt> java's OK for my first programming language
[10:51] <brobostigon> how do i remove a package, properly, that i installed via a debian package,?
[10:51] <MooDoo> sudo apt-get --purge remove xxxxx won't that work for you?
[10:52] <MooDoo> or is it delete, can never remember
[10:52] <brobostigon> i am trying to work it out, aswell.
[10:52] <SuperMatt> you can just use apt-get purge
[10:52] <brobostigon> apt-get purge packagename ?
[10:52] <SuperMatt> yup
[10:52] <brobostigon> ok, thank you.
[10:53] <SuperMatt> that'll remove all config files too
[10:54] <brobostigon> yes, it did, :)
[10:56] <SuperMatt> good
[10:56] <brobostigon> just migrating something, from one vps to another, that has more free resources.
[11:05] <MooDoo> brobostigon: oooo fun :)
[11:06] <brobostigon> MooDoo: :) yes, openvpn-as
[11:06] <MooDoo> can't say I've used that....
[11:07] <brobostigon> it is assentially a preconfigured, easy to install package, that does most of the openvpn configuration for you.
[11:07] <MooDoo> yeah just read about it online.
[11:08] <brobostigon> the licence is limited to two people, doesnt bother me, as i will be the only person using it,
[11:09] <brobostigon> oh dear, that would have made things easier, they have a debian repo for their packages,
[11:09] <brobostigon> ohwell.
[11:09] <MooDoo> lol
[11:09] <brobostigon> would make removing also easier,
[11:10] <brobostigon> need to work out, ipv6 on it next.
[11:12] <SuperMatt> I'm not looking forward to the day I have to learn about ipv6 D:
[11:13] <brobostigon> i have had ipv6 here at home, using radvd and a tunnel, on my wrt54gl, for atleast the last year.
[11:13] <mgdm> I need to put a different firmware onto my GL so I can do IPv6
[11:13] <brobostigon> if i remeber, it has a version of openwrt.
[11:14] <mgdm> apparently the default DD-WRT firmware includes a gadget to make old Xboxes be able to play games across the internet, instead of IPv6
[11:14] <directhex> i'm waiting for BT to catch up with the glorious ipv6 future
[11:14] <directhex> i cba with tunneling
[11:14] <mgdm> so I need the firmware for weird people who never owned an old Xbox
[11:15] <directhex> xlink kai?
[11:15] <directhex> iirc
[11:15] <mgdm> something like that
[11:16] <mgdm> It seems an awfully niche feature to be in there by default, instead of something useful
[12:01] <ali1234> if you want useful use openwrt
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> \o/ openwrt
[12:03] <brobostigon> :)
[12:04] <MooDoo> my router doesn't support it
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> I decided which router to buy based on OpenWRT workingness
[12:05] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, I will buy my NEXT router based on OpenWRT workingness (current one is getting a bit long in tooth)
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: WDR4300 from TP-Link
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> seems to be the choice of the moment
[12:05] <awilkins> Not sure what bands my wifi bridge downstairs supports either
[12:05] <awilkins> :-(
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> that one is dual-band
[12:07] <MartijnVdS> though I turned down the txpower of the 2.4GHz bit so devices actually pick 5GHz
[12:08] <awilkins> The MythTV box is on a bridge
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> ooh exciting.. new king is going to do his oath now
[12:09] <awilkins> Because wake on lan doesn't work on wifi
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: wake-on-wifi is a thing
[12:09] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, Didn't work at the time - box is over 10 years old
[12:09] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, It's an ageing Sempron
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> ah, I can see why then :)
[12:10] <awilkins> It's weathered really well, even if it is now running off a cannibalised ATX power supply hanging out the back of the case because it won't fit
[12:11] <awilkins> Problem is I can't be bothered to upgrade it until we go HD
[12:11] <awilkins> TVs that fit into my requirements just get cheaper and better every year...
[12:11] <ali1234> any router that supports dd-wrt supports openwrt, because dd-wrt is just openwrt repackaged for xbox bros
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> same problem as PCs really ;)
[12:12] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: not really.. some high-end hardware has for-pay dd-wrt
[12:12] <awilkins> I guess I'll buy when the power requirements of my current big heavy CRT exceed the cost of a new one
[12:12] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: and no openwrt target
[12:12] <awilkins> But for now I like my viewing angle and true blacks
[12:12] <awilkins> Maybe when you can get OLED in 28" or better
[12:12] <awilkins> (can you?)
[12:13] <awilkins> I mean, I know they've been showing off Stupidly-Expensive-Giant-o-Vision OLEDs
[12:13] <awilkins> With curved screens just because they can (tm)
[12:14] <SuperMatt> woo, successful raring upgrade :)
[12:19] <bigcalm> I want to upgrade, but I also want to know for definite that my workstation will continue to be as usable as it is right now with 12.10. Curse my unique set-up
[12:19]  * bigcalm consoles himself with a lunch break trip to Maplin
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> /dev/console?
[12:21] <bigcalm> Hehe
[12:21] <bigcalm> I've been doing work on a serial console. Correct spelling is optional on IRC ;)
[12:23] <ocean22> Hi guys.
[12:23] <ocean22> Not sure if this is an ubuntu problem and I can post this up here. Guide me to the right place if it must be at some other places please.
[12:23] <ocean22> I am using ubuntu 13.04 with mozilla firefox as the web browser (default version on ubuntu 13.04). I have noticed that firefox stop streaming some media content around 15 to 20s (that is after playing the add) but keep saying “buffering” but would never play it again. I had this issue with previous versions of ubuntu but google chrome browser was spared but seems its chromium broswser (installed from repo) is affected on ubuntu
[12:23] <ocean22>  13.04.
[12:23] <ocean22> but intrestingly, youtube has never been affected and still not. i ahvent done anything apart from installing ubuntu restricted extras to start playing youtube videos.
[12:23] <ocean22> please see a link to one of the websites where it happens
[12:23] <ocean22> http://www.manoramanews.com/cgi-bin/...d=14&BV_ID=@@@
[12:23] <ocean22> please guide me and any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
[12:24] <mungbean> i get this problem with 4od website
[12:24] <mungbean> i don't think its client related but a server issue
[12:24] <mungbean> series 1 of a programme worked
[12:24] <mungbean> series 2 didn't
[12:25] <SuperMatt> if you have an add blocker install, 4od might not work
[12:25] <mungbean> tried that
[13:18] <hoover> join #puppet
[13:18] <hoover> oops, sorry ;)
[13:24] <MooDoo> lol
[13:30] <oly> hi, anyone know if there is a way to see what webapps are detected by firefox / chrome ?
[13:31] <oly> having real issues making them work and i constantly hit road blocks, but if they dont load its difficult to know why
[14:20] <dwatkins> oly: what do you mean by webapps?
[15:05] <sara_> ali1234, hi
[15:29] <popey> Morning!
[15:29] <MartijnVdS> \o
[15:33] <MooDoo> morning popey
[15:40] <davmor2> popey: pfff might be for you, some of us have been working hard for hours already,  although I'm glad to be here rather than at the sprint to be honest, sprints scrambles your head with info overload :)
[15:40] <popey> sprints are great
[15:41] <oly> dwatkins, the unity webapp integration
[15:42] <oly> figured it out in the end, syntax error in javascript
[15:42] <oly> i found out the chrome version of the plugin has debug options you can enable
[15:42] <sara_> popey,  hej
[15:42] <oly> could not find the same in firefox though
[15:44] <MooDoo> davmor2: hulllooooooo
[15:52] <davmor2> MooDoo: how am ya
[15:58] <MooDoo> davmor2: yes great
[16:03] <dwatkins> oly: aha
[16:04] <dwatkins> sara_: any joy with the bluetooth?
[16:34] <sara_> :)
[17:11] <brobostigon> wow, they are advertising ST 12 on tv, amazing,
[17:13] <brobostigon> omfg, google play updated itself auto-magically, wow.
[17:25] <sara_> :'(  I watched a very sick video today
[17:25] <sara_> it was part of a tv programme about the RSPCA
[17:26] <sara_> they raided apuppy farm, and showed what they found, including footage of some puppies in the back garden which had been burried alive.
[17:26] <sara_> when they dug them up they where still alive :(((
[17:27] <sara_> somepeople are really sick
[19:31] <mungbean> the number 6 for dortmund is called sven bender
[19:31] <mungbean> lol
[19:52] <sara_> ali1234, hiii
[19:53] <ali1234> sara_: i should have a new kernel for you in half an hour or so... maybe a bit longer
[20:04] <sara_> ali1234, :) you are sweet
[20:44] <mungbean> awesome idea for schools: wish my kid was old enough to have an airfix party http://www.airfix.com/project-airfix/
[20:45] <mungbean> should probably arrange a "team building exercise" for my office
[20:57] <ali1234> sara_: new kernel: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/btpatch/3/
[21:17] <sara_> dpkg -i
[21:17] <sara_> is that right?
[21:18] <ali1234> yes
[21:22] <sara_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5620513/
[21:22] <sara_> no for a reboot
[21:24] <sara_> now*
[21:24] <sara_> ali1234,
[21:35] <sara> ok so ali1234  thats recognising the broadcom devoce which is awesome, I can add a new device (nexus 4 in this case) BUT i have no access to services, eg "service not available" when i click send file to device
[21:35] <ali1234> broadcom?
[21:35] <ali1234> broadcom?!?
[21:35] <ali1234> whaaaaaaaaaat?
[21:35] <sara> may have the name of the bluetooth wrong
[21:35] <sara> sorry wait
[21:35] <ali1234> it should be atheros?
[21:36] <sara> this:
[21:36] <sara> 04:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
[21:36] <ali1234> no, that's your wifi
[21:37] <ali1234> pastebin dmesg and hciconfig -a please
[21:37] <ali1234> sounds like it is working though if you paired a phone
[21:39] <sara> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5620548/
[21:39] <ali1234> Manufacturer: Atheros Communications, Inc. (69)
[21:39] <ali1234> last line
[21:41] <sara> ok
[21:41] <sara> will try a few services and feed back :) Thank you for your work I really appriciate it
[21:45] <sara> OBEX Push is not working how can we work towards fixing this?
[21:46] <ali1234> no idea
[21:46] <ali1234> this is above the kernel layer
[21:47] <sara> ok :) I read about what a kernal is (not just popcorn apparently) so i understand on a basic very very basic level what it is
[21:48] <ali1234> does anyone know what the correct mailing list is for bluetooth patches?
[21:48] <directhex> bluez list? http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-bluetooth
[21:49] <sara> directhex, anyway of giving ali1234  a cookie? a nice one made out of chocolate. not a tracking cookie...
[21:51] <ali1234> i need to remember how to git-send-email too
[23:25] <Laney> wakka wakka
[23:45] <ali1234> ok, reported on linux-bluetooth
[23:45] <ali1234> sara: that kernel is only a temporary workaround and the fix will stop working when there is an update in ubuntu
[23:46] <ali1234> but hopefully it gets fixed upstream and then it will be fixed permanently in 13.10


[00:22] <Umeaboy> mhall119: The desktop iso should always be able to boot Live.
[00:23] <Umeaboy> You press ESC almost instantly after booting it up.
[00:23] <Umeaboy> Then you can choose to Use Ubuntu without installing it.
[00:29] <mhall119> Umeaboy: I was asking about a Unity 8 session specifically
[00:29] <Umeaboy> OK.
[00:29] <mhall119> IIRC, the Desktop Next ISO was discontinued at some point, and I don't know if it's been restarted
[00:30]  * mhall119 used to try Desktop Next on his wife's laptop
[05:11] <Mirv> Saviq: ok to 939, will update
[05:14] <Mirv> mhall119: I asked a few weeks ago and it was still on hold. maybe after xenial release?
[08:28] <tsdgeos> man we did a landing and still have 21 approved branches to land D:
[09:38] <cimi> tsdgeos, hola
[09:38] <tsdgeos> cimi: hola
[09:39] <cimi> that branch seems to have passed qmltests too https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/more_stable_lazy_image_test/+merge/284596
[09:39] <cimi> tsdgeos, you prefer this or transitionCount?
[09:41] <tsdgeos> let me un the tests here
[09:42] <tsdgeos> cimi: anything you miss on https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/preview_audio_playlist/+merge/284624 for the top approval?
[09:44] <cimi> tsdgeos,  I was missing the CI comment
[09:44] <cimi> tsdgeos, can top approve
[09:44] <Saviq> ltinkl, kbdLayout on unity8 conflicts, you can't merge trunk in your branch if it's based on some other branch - you need to follow the chain - otherwise bzr goes into criss-cross mode and barfs up conflicts
[09:44] <Saviq> ltinkl, so you'll need to rewrite history on that one, too
[09:56] <tsdgeos> cimi: can you do https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/do_not_use_components_generated_code/+merge/284289 too?
[09:56] <tsdgeos> Saviq: will you do https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/fallback_for_empty/+merge/284235 or do i ask cimi?
[09:56] <cimi> tsdgeos, I can do both if you want
[09:58] <tsdgeos> cimi: works for me
[10:02] <tsdgeos> Saviq: any idea what's wrong in https://unity8-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/build-2-binpkg/376/arch=armhf,release=xenial/console ?
[10:16] <tsdgeos> cimi: ok we can you with your branch if you prefer that
[10:16] <tsdgeos> cimi: i'll delete my branch and MR and you resubmit yours on top of trunk?
[10:17] <cimi> tsdgeos, when I did transitionCount, I didn't really like it :D
[10:17] <cimi> tsdgeos, can do
[10:18] <tsdgeos> cimi: oh launchpad is smart enough to do it itself
[10:18] <tsdgeos> except the diff...
[10:19] <tsdgeos> cimi: anyway merge unity8 trunk and see what happens to the MR
[10:19] <tsdgeos> Saviq: this seems bad https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1540490 :/
[10:19] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1540490 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "app icons getting their top cut off (Ubuntu Touch)" [Undecided,New]
[10:22] <Saviq> tsdgeos, well, not crazy bad since easily recoverable, but yeah, would be nice to fix - LVWPH looks like it?
[10:23] <Saviq> tsdgeos, "Cannot allocate memory" hum
[10:23] <tsdgeos> Saviq: yeah, probably together with the new "better updates" from the scopes-pluigin
[10:23] <cimi> tsdgeos, Saviq https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/more_stable_lazy_image_test/+merge/284708
[10:25] <Saviq> tsdgeos, re: jenkins build, I'll monitor stuff to see if we get it again
[10:25] <tsdgeos> Saviq: i'd say we just did, see the two new failed emails
[10:26] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I was looking at the top of https://unity8-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/build-2-binpkg/arch=armhf,release=xenial/
[10:26] <tsdgeos> k
[10:27] <tsdgeos> cimi: clean your tas
[10:27] <tsdgeos> tags
[10:27] <Saviq> tsdgeos, and can't see the same issues anywhere else
[10:35] <cimi> tsdgeos, all clean
[10:35] <cimi> tsdgeos, ta
[10:38] <Saviq> tsdgeos, ah I know what happened, it's running two builds in parallel on the armhf nodes, should only be one... but there's $reasons why I had to give it two executors
[10:38] <Saviq> and it just OOMed
[10:38] <Saviq> I've a plan, though
[10:39] <Saviq> let's see how bad this becomes
[10:39] <tsdgeos> ok
[10:49] <Mirv> Saviq: ok 053 qtmm is now there (with updated symbols)
[10:50] <Saviq> Mirv, tx
[10:50] <dandrader> Saviq, something funny happened with the qtubuntu landing
[10:50] <Saviq> dandrader, ?
[10:50] <dandrader> Saviq, revision 308 "Implement QPlatformOffscreenSurface" is also carrying its prerequisite (lp:~dandrader/qtubuntu/loggingCategory)
[10:51] <dandrader> Saviq, so lp:~dandrader/qtubuntu/loggingCategory didn't land on its own, separate, commit
[10:51] <Saviq> dandrader, d'uh, not funny, just /me being daft :/
[10:52] <Saviq> missed the prerequisite in there
[10:52] <Saviq> dandrader, did we break something?
[10:52] <dandrader> Saviq, no, just the bzr history got "weird"
[10:53] <Saviq> dandrader, I think we missed a commit or two from the top of loggingCategory, /me checks
[10:53] <dandrader> Saviq, I would think the landing machinery would automagically sort out those declared pre-requisites....
[10:53] <Saviq> dandrader, it does, when they are added as MPs, apparently it doesn't check whether they are
[10:53]  * Saviq files a bug
[10:54]  * dandrader sets https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/qtubuntu/loggingCategory/+merge/279629 to merged
[10:55] <ltinkl> Saviq, I'm a bit puzzled now, should I revert my trunk merge in kbdLayout and push+overwrite?
[10:56] <Saviq> dandrader, I'll see if I can fix the hisotry
[10:56] <Saviq> dandrader, but seems no diff missing
[10:56] <Saviq> dandrader, can you merge trunk in unity8 initial geom, and ltinkl you uncommit your last merge and merge ← into yours instead of trunk
[10:57] <ltinkl> Saviq, ok
[10:57] <dandrader> Saviq, yeah, it missed only a "merge trunk" commit from the original loggingCategory branch, which is irrelevant
[10:57] <Saviq> ltinkl, basically, bzr can't deal with you merging foo and then bar if foo is based on bar
[10:57] <Saviq> dandrader, indeed
[10:58] <ltinkl> Saviq, I see, so trunk has to be merged only in the root of the chain
[10:58] <Saviq> ltinkl, unfortunately, yes
[10:58] <Saviq> ltinkl, well, in theory it works, just until there's conflicts, which is usually the reason to have the chain in the first place, so...
[10:59] <ltinkl> dandrader, just ping me when you're done
[11:00] <cimi> tsdgeos, example of concierge mode is the photos scope where it asks for instagram account right?
[11:00] <tsdgeos> cimi: no, it's the "My videos" when no videos are present
[11:00]  * cimi checks
[11:01] <Saviq> dandrader, bug #1540860
[11:01] <ubot5`> bug 1540860 in CI Train [cu2d] "Should error out if a branch's prerequisite isn't in the list of MPs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1540860
[11:01] <cimi> tsdgeos, btw which one is the card for facebook and instagram account for example
[11:01] <cimi> ?
[11:01] <cimi> tsdgeos, we have an issue of aspect ratio over there
[11:01] <tsdgeos> it's a regular horizontal card, no?
[11:01] <cimi> tsdgeos, I have to see
[11:01] <tsdgeos> cimi: you mean the bug i filed like 3 years ago?
[11:01] <cimi> tsdgeos, maybe :D
[11:01] <Saviq> dandrader, can you uncommit the trunk merge from loggingCategory please and overwrite
[11:01] <cimi> tsdgeos, link,?
[11:02] <tsdgeos> cimi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1421293
[11:02] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1421293 in ubuntu-ui-toolkit (Ubuntu) "Icon width is inconsistent when height is specified" [Low,Triaged]
[11:03] <tsdgeos> ok, only 1 year ago
[11:03] <cimi> tsdgeos, yeah
[11:03] <cimi> tsdgeos, on arale is bad
[11:03] <cimi> tsdgeos, because we have 50gu
[11:03] <dandrader> Saviq, so that it matches the loggingCategory copy in offscreenSurface-lp1527737?
[11:03] <Saviq> dandrader, yes
[11:03] <tsdgeos> cimi: it's not, see it's marked as "Low" ;)
[11:04] <cimi> tsdgeos, :)
[11:04] <Saviq> dandrader, so when I merge it as I'm rewriting history, we get the ~same result
[11:05] <Saviq> w00t we're starting to get green test-0-autopkgtest :]
[11:05] <dandrader> Saviq, merged trunk in lp:~dandrader/unity8/initialSurfaceGeom
[11:05] <Saviq> dandrader, thanks, ltinkl you can merge ↑
[11:05]  * ltinkl on it
[11:06] <dandrader> Saviq, removed the top-most "Merge trunk" from lp:~dandrader/qtubuntu/loggingCategory
[11:06] <Saviq> dandrader, thanks
[11:07] <ltinkl> Saviq, done
[11:12] <ltinkl> Saviq, can I start the build?
[11:13] <Saviq> ltinkl, go for it
[11:13] <Saviq> dandrader, lp:qtubuntu fixeded
[11:14] <cimi> tsdgeos, just a comment https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/do_not_use_components_generated_code/+merge/284289
[11:16] <tsdgeos> cimi: right we can
[11:16] <tsdgeos> i used to have the code wrong
[11:16] <dandrader> Saviq, cool
[11:16] <tsdgeos> and then i was using isConciergeMode directly
[11:17] <Saviq> dandrader, thanks for noticing
[11:17] <tsdgeos> and that we can not since noone guarantees components["art"] && components["art"]["conciergeMode"] would be a bool
[11:17] <tsdgeos> but since we're ! it then it is fine
[11:17] <Saviq> dandrader, now let's hope no trainguard or davmor2 notices what we did ;)
[11:17] <Saviq> OOPS
[11:18] <sil2100> ..do I want to know?
[11:20] <davmor2> Saviq: I'm gonna beat you with sil2100 big stick so I don't have to travel with one
[11:21] <Saviq> sil2100, davmor2, j/k, we messed up lp:qtubuntu history (forgot to put a prerequisite MP in the train), but nothing bad happened
[11:22] <Saviq> like, code is the same, just there wasn't an explicit MP for it (and it was just logging refactor)
[11:22] <Saviq> I've now overwritten lp:qtubuntu history to say the truth about it
[11:23] <Saviq> and filed a train bug about it letting us do this
[11:23] <Saviq> sil2100, bug #1540860
[11:23] <ubot5`> bug 1540860 in CI Train [cu2d] "Should error out if a branch's prerequisite isn't in the list of MPs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1540860
[11:24]  * davmor2 slaps Saviq repeatedly with a stick of celery and tells him not to do it again
[11:31] <davmor2> Saviq:  on a fresh install in windowed mode open the clock app, here maps or weather app what happens to the window is ugly do you know if there is a way to work around that I assume the issue is the trust-prompt overlay right?
[11:31] <Saviq> davmor2, lemme see
[11:31] <tsdgeos> Saviq: still mismatches :/ https://unity8-jenkins.ubuntu.com/job/build-2-binpkg/381/arch=i386,release=xenial/console
[11:32] <davmor2> Saviq: check for window size and title of window
[11:32] <cimi> tsdgeos, we have a failing GenericScopeView test in that branch, is it related?
[11:32] <cimi> seems like possiblwe
[11:35] <Saviq> davmor2, window size seemed fine, title we'll have to look at
[11:36] <davmor2> Saviq: seriously when the prompt appear the window changes from a square to a rectangle and when you accept the prompt it changes back to a square
[11:36] <Saviq> davmor2, I think the problem is that the title gets set to that and then the app is blocked because of the trust prompt and is only able to reset the window title properly after it's let go
[11:37] <Saviq> davmor2, huuh, didn't see that
[11:37] <Saviq> davmor2, but I have an idea
[11:37] <tsdgeos> cimi: good question, should not, i'll have a look
[11:37] <tsdgeos> cimi: and actually we need the "true" : "false"
[11:37] <tsdgeos> without it we end up with 1 or 0
[11:37] <tsdgeos> which upsets qml
[11:37] <tsdgeos> since visible: 1 is wrong
[11:37] <cimi> tsdgeos, ok
[11:37] <Saviq> davmor2, does that include silo 19 btw?
[11:38] <Saviq> davmor2, scratch that, we've not landed those yet
[11:38] <davmor2> Saviq: I noticed testing it yesterday but only remembered it today because you only trigger the prompt once
[11:39] <Saviq> davmor2, I'd say it's bug #1532974
[11:39] <ubot5`> bug 1532974 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "large window flicker on ubuntu apps launching in window mode" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1532974
[11:39] <Saviq> just amplified by the trust prompt
[11:39] <Saviq> davmor2, I'll have a look out
[11:39] <davmor2> Saviq: thanks
[11:40] <tsdgeos> cimi: so it seems the test is indeed reproducible there
[11:40] <tsdgeos> that's scary :D
[11:40] <tsdgeos> s/test/test failure
[11:41] <cimi> tsdgeos, well, reproducing is always good :)
[11:47] <Saviq> tsdgeos, yeah I've asked for access to an internal mirror, didn't get it yet
[11:47] <Saviq> re hash mismatches
[11:47] <tsdgeos> ah
[11:48] <tsdgeos> i thought we had that alread
[11:48] <tsdgeos> y
[11:53] <Saviq> /food
[14:22] <Saviq> dandrader, ltinkl, can we wrangle https://code.launchpad.net/~dandrader/unity8/sizeHints/+merge/278743 and friends in between initial size geom and kbdlayout? FWIW it might be time to split out the API bumps into a separate MP, assuming we're not conflicting elsewhere (which we probably do?)
[14:22] <Saviq> in between, or after, /me no cares
[14:23] <dandrader> Saviq, well, since sizeHints is the oldest branch of them all, I think we should put the others on top of it
[14:23] <Saviq> dandrader, not sure if oldest/newest is a factor, whatever's easiest, really
[14:23] <ltinkl> makes sense... that means a lot of rebasing again right? :/
[14:23] <tsdgeos> cimi: if you have time https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/circleForAudioCards/+merge/284747 is something design wants to get soon asap
[14:23] <Saviq> ltinkl, dandrader, which is why I'd put sizeHints on top of kbdLayout instead
[14:23] <Saviq> as it doesn't have any prereq atm
[14:23] <ltinkl> Saviq, I agree :)
[14:24] <ltinkl> less rebasing imo
[14:24] <dandrader> Saviq, makes sense
[14:24] <Saviq> tsdgeos, https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/nodda/+merge/280814 - dependencies correct there? no need for anything in build deps?
[14:24] <ltinkl> I see mzanetti already threw in another stuff
[14:25] <tsdgeos> Saviq: there's a newer branch required but it also landed in the currently released uitk
[14:25] <Saviq> tsdgeos, https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/xvfb_pixels_per_mm/+merge/282149 didn't get released yet, did it?
[14:25] <Saviq> says revision 1801
[14:25] <mzanetti> ltinkl, ?
[14:25] <mzanetti> ah, the silo
[14:26] <ltinkl> mzanetti, yeah, the silo 51
[14:26] <Saviq> tsdgeos, and last released is 1795 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[14:26] <tsdgeos> Saviq: hmmm
[14:26] <tsdgeos> i just ran nodda branch today under xvfb and all aws good
[14:26] <Saviq> tsdgeos, can you add a >= 1.3.1801
[14:26] <dandrader> Saviq, ltinkl, but kbdLayout hasn't been approved yet
[14:27] <Saviq> dandrader, well, it will be, before we land it, hopefully
[14:27] <dandrader> Saviq, ltinkl, what I mean is that it's still subject to change, not a good branch to have as a prereq
[14:28] <dandrader> Saviq, ltinkl, so I still think it better to follow the seniority order
[14:29] <Saviq> dandrader, TBH I'd rather wait for kbdLayout to get approved instead of doing the rebase dance again
[14:29] <Saviq> it's not git :P
[14:29] <Saviq> dandrader, but, what we can do, is extract the debian/ changes and API bumps to a separate MP
[14:30] <Saviq> as long as the actual code changes won't touch the same areas, they wouldn't need to be chained then
[14:31] <dandrader> Saviq, sounds messy
[14:31] <Saviq> dandrader, why?
[14:31] <dandrader> Saviq, "yet another branch"
[14:31] <Saviq> dandrader, better than chaining IMO
[14:33] <dandrader> Saviq, + dependencies between those split branches. having a hard time visualizing that. how to split the diff to avoid conflicts
[14:34] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ha ha, it passed here because i rebuilt my uitk with that patch and forgot about it :D
[14:34] <cimi> tsdgeos, will review after my lunch :)
[14:34] <Saviq> tsdgeos, right, so keeping it out, please add >= 1.3.1801
[14:35] <Saviq> dandrader, we maintain api-bump branches for unity-api, qtmir, unity8 under unity-team,
[14:35] <Saviq> dandrader, MPs requiring those changes will have those as prereq
[14:36] <Saviq> dandrader, as we go, we bump things in the api-bump branches, but subsequent code MPs don't need to prereq each other
[14:36] <tsdgeos> Saviq: done
[14:36] <Saviq> unless they really touch code close to one another, at which point we're in the position we're in today, and have to chain
[14:37] <Saviq> dandrader, but until then we can relatively freely juggle MPs that will land together
[14:38] <Saviq> tsdgeos, do we care about https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/143073/ ?
[14:39] <tsdgeos> Saviq: doesn't seem critical i'd say, nice to have sure
[14:39] <cimi> tsdgeos, ok on it
[14:40] <Saviq> tsdgeos, Timo was asking if it was us, but I don't remember having asked for it
[14:40] <Saviq> likely SDK team
[14:40] <Saviq> dandrader, I can prepare a set of branches doing that across the ones we're talking about now to see how it'd work
[14:41] <tsdgeos> Saviq: yeah don't think it was us
[14:42] <dandrader> Saviq, still don't see how having yet more interdependent branches will help. but if you wanna do it...
[14:43] <dandrader> Saviq, I probably didn't understand your plan...
[14:43] <Saviq> dandrader, we have initial geom, kbdlayout, sizehints today
[14:43] <Saviq> dandrader, as it stands, we need to make them all a chain
[14:44] <dandrader> Saviq, which is ok
[14:44] <dandrader> Saviq, it's like having a virtual staging branch
[14:44] <Saviq> dandrader, except for when we need to bump one of them from the list when we discover an issue
[14:44] <Saviq> dandrader, un-chaining them is a chore (as is chaining them, for that matter)
[14:45] <dandrader> Saviq, it's like having to revert something from a staging branch
[14:45] <Saviq> dandrader, with "distilling" the conflicts (usually debian/ and API bumps) into a separate MP, we can just skip some without the need to modify the rest
[14:45] <Saviq> dandrader, also, maintaining the chain is a pain unless we put them all under unity-team since we have to merge trunk through it in case of conflicts
[14:46] <Saviq> otherwise we need to wait for whoever owns the branch
[14:47] <dandrader> Saviq, the root cause being that it takes too long to release, so we have way too many branches piling up
[14:48] <Saviq> dandrader, maybe, but I don't see it getting quicker any time soon
[14:48] <dandrader> Saviq, maybe a staging would help with that, as merging an MP into the staging branch should take much less time.
[14:48] <Saviq> dandrader, with the staging approach I'm after, I won't allow branches relying on other projects into staging anyway
[14:49] <Saviq> unless I can find that actually reverting on staging is relatively doable
[14:50] <dpm> hi all, I was wondering if someone could help wit a unity 8 session related question:
[14:50] <dpm>  I installed unity8-desktop-session-mir to dogfood unity 8 on the desktop (16.04) and how convergent apps behave
[14:50] <dpm>  I can choose the session and log into unity 8 via lightdm
[14:50] <dpm>  then the scopes window is shown
[14:51] <dpm>  however, when I click on an app, it's shown for a split second and then exits
[14:51] <Saviq> mzanetti, tsdgeos, shall I add https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/launcher-sizing/+merge/280149 ?
[14:51] <dpm> it happens to all apps
[14:51] <Saviq> dpm, install cgmanager...sthg (known dependency bug, should be fixed soon)
[14:51] <tsdgeos> Saviq: afaics it doesn't merge, so it won't build, no?
[14:51]  * Saviq finds the right package name
[14:51] <Saviq> tsdgeos, just asking :)
[14:51] <dpm> Saviq, ah, cool, thanks, will try that later on this evening
[14:52] <mzanetti> Saviq, pelase
[14:52] <mzanetti> Saviq, I will merge things now
[14:53] <mzanetti> Saviq, but this one is a big one, it will conflict with every upcoming branch, so the earlier the better
[14:53] <Saviq> dpm, ah! bug #1535058
[14:53] <ubot5`> bug 1535058 in ubuntu-app-launch (Ubuntu) "applications close instantly when launched from the launcher or dash" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1535058
[14:53] <Saviq> dpm, install libpam-cgm
[14:55] <Saviq> mzanetti, and launcher-updates
[14:55] <mzanetti> yep
[14:55] <Saviq> mzanetti, we've no settings UI for sizing or autohide yet, do we?
[14:56] <mzanetti> Saviq, no, I pinged ken about it, but he didn't reply... let me try to ping again
[14:56] <dpm> Saviq, actually, libpam-cgm is already installed, but I'll look at the bug comments in more detail
[14:57] <Saviq> dpm, ack, note that it's still not a good experience on a mixed click/deb system, you need to manually install .clicks and such
[14:57] <Saviq> mzanetti, do we have a bug for ↑ do you know?
[14:58] <dpm> Saviq, meaning that apps installed as .deb are not supposed to be startable on the unity 8 session?
[14:58] <dpm> I don't have any clicks, as they're not installable and won't be afaik
[14:58] <mzanetti> Saviq, the bug you linked, no?
[14:58] <Saviq> mzanetti, for clicks vs. deb
[14:58] <mzanetti> dpm, debs should work too I believe
[14:58] <Saviq> dpm, of course they will be
[14:59] <mzanetti> Saviq, no, clicks are not and I don't think that will change any time
[14:59] <Saviq> mzanetti, on a desktop unity8 session?
[14:59] <mzanetti> yeah
[14:59] <Saviq> what's it useful for, then/
[14:59] <Saviq> mzanetti, the store has to be functional there, why not?
[14:59] <dpm> Saviq, it will be, but with snappy
[15:00] <Saviq> oh well, .clicks, .snappy, potato, potahto
[15:00] <mzanetti> problem is that polkit/pkcon/dpkg bail out on it. I've reported a bug 2 years ago and pinged all sorts of managers. Eventually I got the reply that this is not working intentionally beause we can't guarantee the confinement promises of clicks
[15:00] <ubot5`> Error: Launchpad bug 2 could not be found
[15:00] <tsdgeos> ;D
[15:00] <mzanetti> I believe this is nuts and is probably just an excuse to not have to spend someones time to fix the polkit stuff for it
[15:01] <mzanetti> anyhow, that is as far as I could get
[15:01] <mzanetti> you can still manually force install them
[15:01] <Saviq> mzanetti, that's bshit
[15:01] <mzanetti> I know... but well, I tried for a long time
[15:01] <mzanetti> you might retry with your manager powers now
[15:01] <mzanetti> let me find the bug report
[15:02] <Saviq> thanks
[15:03] <dpm> I'm still not sure I follow what the issue with .debs on that bug report is
[15:03] <mzanetti> Saviq, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/click/+bug/1396611
[15:03] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1396611 in click (Ubuntu) "Can't install click packages with pkcon" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:07] <Saviq> mzanetti, I'm bumping https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/indicator-display/usage-mode/+merge/284730 from the silo then?
[15:07] <mzanetti> Saviq, why?
[15:07] <Saviq> mzanetti, because we don't wanna land it, and we do wanna land the silo
[15:08] <mzanetti> ooh, I thot this would be the MWC silo
[15:08] <mzanetti> in that case, sure, drop it, and the other I added too
[15:08] <mzanetti> ~mzanetti/unity8/better-windowed-logic
[15:08] <mzanetti> that's not ready for landing yet
[15:08] <mzanetti> Saviq, ^
[15:08] <Saviq> mzanetti, ack
[15:08] <mzanetti> Saviq, do we have a silo for MWC then?
[15:09] <Saviq> mzanetti, not yet, but we won't really need one for a week or two
[15:09] <mzanetti> Saviq, it would make things easier to test I think. I'll get started with one then
[15:15] <cimi> tsdgeos, I'd go for the code of my comment, I like it :D
[15:16] <tsdgeos> cimi: makes it harder to read, but whatever
[15:17] <cimi> tsdgeos, harder is relative :D
[15:17] <tsdgeos> of course
[15:17] <Saviq> @unity: if your branch is not top-acked, but should land in our next landing (and is not in silo 51 already https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/silo/051), please let me know
[15:17] <tsdgeos> that's why i said "whatever"
[15:18] <cimi> tsdgeos, we can also put radius width / 2 too
[15:18] <cimi> tsdgeos, usually it's what people write when they mean a circle
[15:20] <tsdgeos> cimi: pushed
[15:22] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, merged launcher-updates
[15:22] <cimi> tsdgeos, stylistic changes :D polite :D
[15:22] <cimi> tsdgeos, better than cimi's nonsense :D
[15:23] <Saviq> let the Conflict Olympics begin!
[15:23] <Saviq> oh just 33 MPs this time :P
[15:23] <mzanetti> pff... easy
[15:23] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: ok
[15:23] <ltinkl> in bzr case it's rather paralympics
[15:24] <cimi> lol ltinkl
[15:24] <cimi> tsdgeos, approved, waiting for ci to top approve
[15:25] <mzanetti> still better than the black magic you get when you put git on it... I'd end up in a "you are now in detached head state and can never got back" all the time
[15:28] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: you also fixing launcher-sizing ?
[15:30] <cimi> tsdgeos, we can top approve https://code.launchpad.net/~cimi/unity8/more_stable_lazy_image_test/+merge/284708
[15:31] <tsdgeos> done
[15:34] <mzanetti> tsdgeos, launcher-sizing merged
[15:41] <tsdgeos> mzanetti: depending on how we do the merging lp:~mzanetti/unity8/spread-visual-updates also fails to merge (directly against trunk), but i guess that if do all the merges of prerequisties in order it'll work
[15:45] <Saviq> tsdgeos, that shouldn't be possible in theory, should it? assuming the top-most branch has all the changes from the previous ones
[15:46] <tsdgeos> Saviq: ok
[15:58] <mzanetti> mterry, ltinkl: the OOBE meeting happening? want me there?
[15:59] <ltinkl> mzanetti, I guess we'll be fine
[15:59] <mterry> mzanetti, I want you in ALL my meetings :)  But yeah I bet we can do it
[15:59] <mzanetti> hah
[15:59] <mzanetti> I can surely join, no prob... just don't wanna be a pain with my comments if you guys think you're set
[17:06] <Saviq> dandrader, check out the top-four ~unity-team branches here https://code.launchpad.net/unity-api
[17:06] <Saviq> dandrader, this is what I propose for the api bump changes, that breaks the ~artificial prereq between initialSurfaceGeom and kbdLayouts
[17:07] <Saviq> in this case kbdLayouts still conflict with surfaceItemSizeHints, but that's more natural than prereq'ing because of changelog
[17:08] <Saviq> the api-bump doesn't even need to be a prereq for the others, with the caveat that it would "miss" the version and CMake bumps, which, you could say, is a bad thing
[17:08] <Saviq> so we could make it prereq after all
[17:10] <Saviq> dandrader, in any case, updating the changelog and CMakeLists accordingly would be a topic for landing, contained in that one MP instead of spread across all the separate MPs
[17:12] <dandrader> Saviq, so you're saying you want to strip all MPs of debian/changelog entries and version bumps? I'm fine with that.
[17:12] <dandrader> Saviq, it's the stuff of landing/releasing indeed
[17:13] <Saviq> dandrader, the CMakeLists.txt bumps are indeed debatable
[17:13] <Saviq> dandrader, as they will most likely conflict every time if they touch the same API
[17:13] <dandrader> Saviq, I say CMakeLists.txt version bumps fall into the same category
[17:14] <Saviq> dandrader, ack, so we're in violent agreement, this leaves you guys to work on actual code changes, and paperwork happens at release time
[17:15] <dandrader> Saviq, ok, so I should remove deban/changelog, debian/control and CMakeLists.txt version bumps from my MPs then?
[17:16] <Saviq> dandrader, just resubmit your branches with the ones I did, with api-bumps as prereq
[17:16] <Saviq> for unity-api that is
[17:16] <Saviq> dandrader, for others (unity8, qtmir), please strip the relevant changes, yes
[17:16] <Saviq> /away
[17:17] <dandrader> Saviq, having api-bumps as prereq looks weird
[17:17] <dandrader> Saviq, to me it looks like api-bumps should be the lid at the top of them all, not the base
[17:18] <Saviq> dandrader, ack, fine by me (only this means that commits are not "releasable" by themselves, but meh)
[17:21] <dandrader> Saviq, if I resubmit I gonna lose the approvals. can't I just remove the changes in order to keep those approvals?
[18:08] <dandrader> Saviq, removed version bumps and changelog entries from all initialSurfaceGeom branches (unity-api, qtmir and unity8)
[19:27] <josharenson> Do any of you use vim + YouCompleteMe?  I can't figure out how to work around this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vim-youcompleteme/+bug/1538532  I've tried building vim with python2 enabled, but it still isn't working...
[19:27] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1538532 in vim-youcompleteme (Ubuntu) "Broken in Xenial, vim requires python3 now" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:39] <mterry> Saviq, you suggest in bug 1540497 to "just react to clicks on Unlock" -- that's the proposed temp fix until ubuntu-ux gets back to us?  So just the little "unlock" area on the bottom, to make it clickable?  And probably look like a button.  Which would just swipe away the top layer and show the pin/passcode entry
[19:39] <ubot5`> bug 1540497 in Canonical System Image "No way to unlock narrow greeter with a mouse" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1540497
[20:29] <Saviq> mterry, fwiw the whole surface could react to clicks...
[20:29] <Saviq> (but not to taps!)
[20:33] <Saviq> mzanetti_, please put lp:~mzanetti/unity8/edgebarrier-click-transparent on top of launcher sizing
 mterry, fwiw the whole surface could react to clicks...
[20:33] <Saviq>  (but not to taps!)
[20:37] <mterry> Saviq, OK.  (just as a short-term fix right?)
[20:39] <mterry> Saviq, when a mouse is attached, we actually always use the wide view greeter, regardless of width.  In which case there should be a text prompt / login button...  I need to re-do the bug steps and see what actually happening
[21:05] <Saviq> mterry, not any more
[21:05] <mterry> Saviq, ah interesting
[21:05] <Saviq> mterry, we released yesterday a change where it needs to be more than 90GU long on the short edge
[21:05] <mterry> ah
[21:18] <mzanetti_> Saviq, I've merged it, but I found a test failure, will look at it in a few. need to put the baby to bed
[21:39] <mterry> mzanetti_, what's the best way to distinguish between a mouse click and a touch click?
[21:46] <mzanetti_> mterry, for what?
[21:47] <mterry> mzanetti_, I was looking at a short-term fix for bug 1540497 (hide greeter cover page on a mouse click but NOT a touch)
[21:48] <ubot5`> bug 1540497 in Canonical System Image "No way to unlock narrow greeter with a mouse" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1540497
[21:49] <mzanetti_> mterry, ah, options are: something like InputKeysFilter and emit the appropriate signals, or a MouseArea and a MultipointTouchArea
[21:49] <mhall119_> jhodapp: ping about aethercast
[21:50] <jhodapp> mhall119_, pong
[21:50] <mhall119_> jhodapp: hey, I'm following the instructions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DisplayCasting
[21:51] <mhall119_> and it finds my roku/tv, but when I try to connect to it I get Failed to connect with device: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Failed: Operation failed
[21:51] <jhodapp> mhall119, yeah it's not really that robust in connecting yet
[21:51] <jhodapp> mhall119, try again
[21:52] <jhodapp> mhall119, sometimes it'll work after the 2nd or 3rd time
[21:52] <mzanetti_> jhodapp, apart from connecting, what's the state there? somewhat functional?
[21:52] <mterry> mzanetti_, ah thanks :)
[21:52] <mhall119> I've tried 3 or 4 times, same thingaethercastctl> info ae:b5:7d:5e:ad:21
[21:52] <mhall119> Address: ae:b5:7d:5e:ad:21
[21:52] <mhall119> Name: Mike & Michelle Bonus Room TV
[21:52] <mhall119> State: failure
[21:52] <mhall119> Capabilities:
[21:52] <mzanetti_> jhodapp, asking because I need to build something on top of it when it's stable enough, and I haven't checked in a while
[21:52] <jhodapp> mzanetti_, it'll utilize software encoding in the version in that silo, so you'll get very very slow video
[21:52] <mhall119> I've tried a half dozen times now
[21:53] <jhodapp> mhall119, ok, best to ask morphis tomorrow then...he wrote the connecting part
[21:53] <mhall119> ok, thanks
[21:53] <mzanetti_> mhall119, last time I tried it had issues with 5GHz, would only work with devices that only have 2.4
[21:53] <mhall119> oh, hmmm....
[21:54] <mzanetti_> but it's been a while now, so not sure if that's still accurate
[21:54] <jhodapp> mhall119, also, you can try sudo service aethercast; sudo aethercast -d
[21:54] <jhodapp> mhall119, you'll see the debug output then
[21:54] <mhall119> well I'm on 2.4
[21:54] <jhodapp> mhall119, oops add a stop in there
[21:55] <jhodapp> mhall119, morphis will want to see that debug output
[21:58] <mhall119> [DD 2016-02-02 21:57:36] [p2pdevicestub.cpp:300@Connect]
[21:58] <mhall119> [DD 2016-02-02 21:57:36] [p2pdevicestub.cpp:305@Connect] path /fi/w1/wpa_supplicant1/Interfaces/1/Peers/aeb57d5ead21
[21:58] <mhall119> [DD 2016-02-02 21:57:36] [miracastservice.cpp:298@OnDeviceStateChanged] Device state changed: address ae:b5:7d:5e:ad:21 new state association
[21:58] <mhall119> [DD 2016-02-02 21:57:36] [networkmanager.cpp:177@StartConnectTimeout]
[21:58] <mhall119> [DD 2016-02-02 21:57:36] [p2pdevicestub.cpp:127@OnGONegotiationFailure]
[21:58] <mhall119> [DD 2016-02-02 21:57:36] [networkmanager.cpp:423@OnGroupOwnerNegotiationFailure] peer /fi/w1/wpa_supplicant1/Interfaces/1/Peers/aeb57d5ead21
[21:58] <mhall119> [DD 2016-02-02 21:57:36] [miracastservice.cpp:298@OnDeviceStateChanged] Device state changed: address ae:b5:7d:5e:ad:21 new state failure
[21:58] <mhall119> seems like maybe it doesn't like my roku
[21:59] <mhall119> which does say that screen mirroring is a beta feature
[21:59] <mhall119> so, maybe it's just my TV
[22:07] <mhall119> which would be disappointing
[22:18] <mzanetti_> Saviq, resubmitted: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/edgebarrier-click-transparent/+merge/284806
[22:20] <Saviq> mzanetti_, tx
[22:20] <mzanetti_> Saviq, I've updated the silo
[22:20] <Saviq> mterry, we've magic options on MouseArea and MultiPointTouchArea to deal with that
[22:20] <mhall119> jhodapp: do you know if the phone will act like a touchpad/keyboard when connected via aethercast, or does it just literally mirror the display?
[22:21] <mzanetti_> Saviq, yeah, but if you need both, you need two of them. not sure if a custom evenfilter in a simple QObject wouldn't be better
[22:21] <mterry> Saviq, I see tthe one on MultiPoint, but not on MouseArea.  Looks like I have to stack them?
[22:22] <mterry> mzanetti_, I just went with the stacked MouseArea way.  You think the eventfilter is cleaner?
[22:22] <mzanetti_> well, it's not many of them... so... either works for me I guess
[22:23] <Saviq> mzanetti_, we probably should make it easier in our SDK, have a component that will do both and let you decide what to do on each
[22:23] <mzanetti_> thinking if there are other areas where we need to use stacked areas... if we use that more often I'd definitely create some sort of mousearea that has different signals for both
[22:23] <mzanetti_> yeah
[22:25] <Saviq> mterry, kalikiana had a talk about that on FOSDEM https://fosdem.org/2016/schedule/event/converged_desktop_experience/ - there's a link to the slides
[22:25] <Saviq> page 12
[23:03] <jhodapp> mhall119, it'll act exactly like it does via HDMI today, it'll mirror the virtual display port that shows a full desktop in convergence mode
[23:55] <mhall119> jhodapp: awesome, that means I'll be able to go full convergence without cables or accessories


[01:31] <racarr> reading kDBus thread...
[01:31] <racarr> * With priority-inheritance, we can do synchronous calls into trusted
[01:31] <racarr> peers and let them optionally use our time-slice to perform the
[01:31] <racarr> action. This allows syscall-like/binder-like method-calls into other
[01:31] <racarr> processes. Without priority-inheritance, this is not possible in a
[01:31] <racarr> secure manner (see 'priority-inheritance').
[01:31] <racarr> that could be cool for us...(the time slice donation)
[11:19] <alan_g> I love it when a test tells me I accidentally broke something I didn't even realize I was touching
[12:49] <kdub> alan_g, with ~alan-griffiths/mir/first-pass-of-surface-spec-modification and my comment about rejecting some spec requests
[12:50] <kdub> it kinda feels like i'm coming late to the party on this discussion, but if there are some specs that can be invalid, isn't aborting on those a bit unfriendly to the client-api-users?
[12:57] <alan_g> kdub: if the client wilfully creates a spec intended for change and then tries using it for create they are breaking the contract and we shouldn't hide that.
[13:00] <alan_g> It isn't as though anything is outside their control
[13:02] <kdub> so, it just seems that aborting for misuses is harsh... and I guess I also see some degree of difference between requesting an invalid operation for a specific MirSurfaceType, and trying to do something that clearly violates the contract
[13:04] <kdub> and I guess I'm also assuming that there are some violations of policies that are more subtle, like, trying to resize or reposition type X that would be unclear to a client
[13:08] <alan_g> aborting is better for the client writer than trying to carry on and having unexpected behaviour later
[13:10] <alan_g> violations of policies (trying to resize a maximized window) are not invalid surface specifications but things the window management policy decides
[13:11] <alan_g> and that doesn't break contract and lead to an abort
[13:13] <kdub> right, so there's no such thing as an invalid MirSurfaceSpec?
[13:13] <kdub> its more that the client is just setting preferences (which can't fail), and that the server tries to respect the preferences, according to WM policy
[13:16] <alan_g> There can be a MirSurfaceSpec that is invalid for create, but not for apply
[13:19] <alan_g> But, yes that's the model
[13:22] <kdub> okay, so I based the comment on the idea that there was an "apply spec" that could be invalid, but if there's not, then I guess, comment resolved!
[15:11] <duflu> alan_g: We're going to need an expanded input::Surface in the stack to cover the "aura" or invisible resize area. I can imagine it could be either a secondary input::Surface underneath the existing one, or an expansion of the existing input::Surface. Do you have plans either way?
[15:12] <alan_g> duflu: not yet. But it likely will be done in terms of the bufferstreams kdub has started
[15:12] <duflu> alan_g: No I just mean the input region (which has no buffer stream)
[15:13] <duflu> It needs to extend beyond the buffer streams
[15:14] <alan_g> Exactly, currently there's a buffer stream conflated with the surface
[15:14] <duflu> alan_g: "buffer stream" shouldn't come into it. I'm not talking about pixels, just the invisible input region (that doesn't overlap any bufferstream)
[15:15] <alan_g> duflu: buffer stream comes into it because it is currently conflated with the surface (and needs separating)
[15:15] <kdub> right, so it would be a surface of size 100x100, and the buffer stream would be at 10,10 of size 80x80?
[15:16] <duflu> kdub: No, the input surface would be at (-10,-10) of the surface. Because the aura doesn't affect placement either
[15:17] <duflu> We already have input::Surface. Just need to unconflate it with the visible surface/buffer stream
[15:17] <duflu> Possibly with two separate input::Surfaces per surface
[15:17] <kdub> ah, yes I see
[15:17] <duflu> Or three
[15:18] <kdub> so maybe a MirSurface can have multiple buffer streams, and multiple input regions...
[15:19] <duflu> kdub: Yeah one or more. But only input over the client area goes to the client. Input to the aura should be handled by the server
[15:19] <duflu> -server + shell
[15:20] <duflu> Presently you can click the invisible input region of a non-focused window to raise it. That might not be important, but you still need to be able to do that to resize non-focused windows
[15:24] <duflu> kdub: I like the idea of adding the aura as a new input::Surface under the existing one. If input hits that then the shell handles it without the client being aware
[15:25] <duflu> It's also then independent of the decoration mode (client, server or hybrid)
[15:28] <alan_g> That's similar to what we have for title bar in examples
[15:28] <duflu> Maybe. I'm not aware of anyone making the input surface dimensions different to the buffer stream though
[15:29] <duflu> Yet
[15:30] <kdub> so, having aura as a new input::Surface seems like a good idea to me, and having the input surface dimensions be different also seems okay
[15:31] <kdub> with the limitation that the client api cant go grabbing input from anywhere on the screen
[15:32] <duflu> kdub: No the client would never be aware of it. It's all shell handled
[15:37] <kdub> right, so that plan seems even better then
[15:38] <duflu> kdub: We might want to start calling each app a window now :)
[15:43] <kdub> yay
[16:11] <duflu> Umm, the demo servers are all freezing on my laptop today. Did we break Mir or the kernel or something else?
[16:21] <alan_g> duflu: quick test of mir_demo_server seems OK - any clues to reproducing?
[16:21] <duflu> alan_g No clues yet
[16:21] <duflu> Everything worked yesterday but not today
[16:22] <duflu> I do update my system and Mir every day
[16:22] <alan_g> You just start it and it hangs?
[16:22] <duflu> Yep
[16:22] <alan_g> Hmm. I've not updated system today
[16:22] <duflu> Mouse doesn't move and can't switch VTs
[16:35] <duflu> alan_g: Yeah bisecting now. We broke lp:mir this past day
[16:45] <alan_g> duflu: confirmed, must be since I updated mir around lunchtime
[16:46] <alan_g> The only plausible culpret is -c 2480
[16:46] <duflu> alan_g: Yeah testing that one now
[16:48] <duflu> alan_g: No r2480 is also broken. r2477 works so guess
[16:50] <duflu> kgunn: Built as a deb solves all my Xmir problems. I'll do that and learn what I did wrong from debian/* later
[16:50] <duflu> Yesterday was going on 3 hours sleep at most
[16:50] <alan_g> duflu: I think one of us misunderstands - I'm guessing 2480 broke it (so predicting 2479 works)
[16:50] <duflu> alan_g: Yes, whoops. probably
[16:54] <duflu> alan_g: Doing final verification now. If that's it I'll just revert it. The change is too non-trivial and the bug too critical to wait for the proper fix
[16:54] <alan_g> duflu: +1
[17:00] <duflu> alf__: Re flickering we did land Android buffer changes yesterday.... :)
[17:01] <duflu> Or not using 0.13?


[14:25] <Essobi> Morning.
[15:38] <leprasmurf> hello all, I have two issues, the second being prompted by my misguided attempt to fix the first
[15:39] <leprasmurf> all of my recording schedules have dissappeared...they still appear in the database (so it seems) but they don't appear in the upcoming recordings or anywhere else
[15:39] <leprasmurf> for some reason, I thought it would be a good idea to upgrade to 9.04 in an attempt to fix this, which subsequently broke my nvidia drivers.  Has anyone else run into this on an nvidia geforce 5200 FX?
[16:21] <nawl> im having trouble with a fresh install of mythbuntu and my audio.  heres whats up, mythbuntu finds my on board card, play plays my file, alsamixer seems like it works, speakers are on, plug is in the right place.... no audio, am i missing something?
[16:22] <leprasmurf> have you tried playing a file in a standard player outside of mythtv?
[16:22] <leprasmurf> mplayer or vlc for example?
[16:23] <nawl> yes, play
[16:23] <nawl> from the command line
[16:24] <leprasmurf> ah, haven't heard of that player, thought that was a typo
[16:25] <nawl> no no audio from vlc either
[16:25] <leprasmurf> ah, so it's not just mythtv
[16:26] <nawl> no
[16:27] <leprasmurf> in alsamixer, at the bottom of the column, do master or PCM show MM, or are they both OO?
[16:30] <leprasmurf> nawl: might want to check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[16:38] <nawl> 00
[17:52] <leprasmurf> I recently upgraded to 9.04, and now two instances of myth-frontend are starting whenever I restart gdm.  can anyone tell me where to look for the autostart apps?  I already checked ~/.config/autostart and there's one instance there
[17:54] <superm1> leprasmurf, clean up ~/.cache
[17:55] <superm1> and then killall xfce4-session
[17:55] <leprasmurf> thanks!
[18:36] <netal> hi
[18:36] <netal> wonder if someone could help here, am looking for an HD-PVR receiver but am left with only few choices
[18:36] <netal> Topfield 7710, Humax iCord, Dreambox 800.... what do you guys recommend?
[21:05] <SirSchwank> does anyone know if the onboard IR receiver on the hauppauge 2250 works in mythbuntu?  mine doesn't appear to be detecting.
[21:59] <thedude_> Hey I have a good install onf mythbuntu 9.04 and was wondering of the streaming of the live video feed across the networks was possible, i have not been able to find a clear answer. thanks


[11:32] <sagaci> just wondering if anyone can turn on translations for the ubuntu-manual for the oneiric series


[04:05] <bllzz> I noticed mythbuntu 9.10 has ext4 as the default filesystem.  I always thought that the ext's had issues with large files (particularly when deleting them).  Is this still the case with ext4?  Should I use xfs instead?
[04:07] <mrand> bllz: ext4 doesn't have most of the problems ext3 did, so it's considered close enough to an all purpose filesystem to be the default.
[04:07] <bllzz> mrand:  oh that's good news.  I also remember that my beloved xfs did have issues with smaller files
[04:07] <mrand> If you look around at benchmarks, you'll see that xfs is technically better on some things, ext3 is better on other things, and ext4 is better on a few things.
[04:07] <bllzz> so maybe i'll give ext4 a whirl
[09:11] <beatbreaker> i'm having problems getting my frontend to talk to my backend, i don't know why - does it have to do with ports?
[17:06] <HEAdsd> hellou
[17:07] <HEAdsd> can someone help me get my anysee usb dvb-c card working
[17:07] <HEAdsd> pls
[17:08] <HEAdsd> !help
[17:08] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[17:16] <darragh> I can't seem to watch TV on my setup, using Hauppague PVR-150, logs are at http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f7b46d33
[17:18] <darragh> Mythtv justs says "Please Wait" and returns to the main menu after 15-20 seconds
[18:02] <rhpot1991> darragh: did you actually set up the tuner in mythtv-setup?
[18:03] <rhpot1991> if you look in mythweb or the system info under the frontend, does it list the tuner
[18:20] <darragh> rhpot1991: Yes, and it scanned 24 channels
[18:22] <darragh> rhpot1991: It's listed under Info Centre->System Status->Tuner Status
[18:22] <darragh> in the frontend
[18:40] <mrand> darragh: do you have a channel changer script set?  I'm guessing analog PVR-150 doesn't need one.
[18:42] <darragh> mrand: No changer script, using analogue tuner
[19:05] <mrand> darragh: right.  I was asking if one got configured on accident.  If it found 24 channels while scanning, it doesn't make much sense that it wouldn't find them now unless something else changed.  A few other things to try: make sure the video is visible via some other non-myth player, and maybe try to set it to record something later.  LiveTV sometimes behaves slightly differently than recorded TV.
[19:06] <darragh> mrand: I am trying it in XawTV but just getting static, can't seem to tune the frequencies
[19:21] <wilberfan> i'm about to set up an ubuntu system, to which i will end up adding mythtv...  what kind of partitioning is recommended?
[19:21] <wilberfan> i know there should be a storage partition of jfs or xfs...
[19:22] <wilberfan> this will be a backend AND frontend box...
[19:34] <mrand> wilberfan: with ext4 available, the reasons for using jfs or xfs are less.  jfs and xfs have slightly better performance, but ext4 does much better than ext3.  The main reason(s) for partitioning have fallen back to the same as before: being able to unmount them for whatever reason (be it reinstalls, maintenance, or something else), and to control what happens should a particular filesystem fills up (be it /tmp, or /var/log, or /var/l
[19:40] <wilberfan> not counting the recording space, what partition sizes are we looking at?
[22:20] <khunt> can someone help me get remote working in vlc works fine in myth have edited .lirc/vlc to match my remote name and key names
[23:23] <mike_hurley_1> Anybody else have problems with manually edited metadata in mythvideo reverting the title to the filename if there's a typo?
[23:42] <beatbreaker> i keep getting this error:  MediaRenderer::HttpServer Create Error
[23:43] <beatbreaker> when trying to connect, i changed the backends database from localhost to it's IP address and the backend can't find the database on that ip address
[23:52] <beatbreaker> i'm sorry my English isn't very good


[17:58] <Guest63> Hello. I'm running Budgie 22.04 and I'm looking for an example bluetooth network config. wiki.ubuntu.com indicated #ubuntu-stack would be the place to go, but the channel is empty.
[18:22] <fossfreedom_> #ubuntu is the support channel on irc