[03:23] <joseph_AJ> Hello channel.
[03:24] <drc> Hello
[03:24] <joseph_AJ> Can any one tell me how to get sound working on my Xubuntu system?
[03:25] <KM0201> joseph_AJ: well, whats your sound device?  if you don't know, type "lspci" no qoutes in a terminal, and find your audio device
[03:28] <joseph_AJ> That command shows that I have an nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a2)
[03:28] <joseph_AJ> installed but I am using a Creative Labs SB Live card.
[03:28] <joseph_AJ> I have both cards in the comb
[03:28] <zenrox> joseph_AJ,  are you using the ac97
[03:29] <joseph_AJ> how do I check that?
[03:29] <zenrox> lsmod
[03:29] <zenrox> and see if the module for ac97 and/or sb live are loaded
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> Here is the output of that command: Module                  Size  Used by
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> snd_emu10k1_synth       5136  0
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> snd_emux_synth         29012  1 snd_emu10k1_synth
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> snd_seq_virmidi         4193  1 snd_emux_synth
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> snd_seq_midi_emul       5547  1 snd_emux_synth
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> snd_emu10k1           131818  5 snd_emu10k1_synth
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> snd_intel8x0           25664  4
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> snd_usb_audio          86480  3
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> snd_ac97_codec         99227  2 snd_emu10k1,snd_intel8x0
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> ac97_bus                1014  1 snd_ac97_codec
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> snd_pcm                71475  4 snd_emu10k1,snd_intel8x0,snd_usb_audio,snd_ac97_codec
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> snd_usbmidi_lib        17413  1 snd_usb_audio
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> snd_util_mem            3118  2 snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> snd_hwdep               5040  3 snd_emux_synth,snd_emu10k1,snd_usb_audio
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> snd_seq_midi            4588  0
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> snd_rawmidi            17783  4 snd_seq_virmidi,snd_emu10k1,snd_usbmidi_lib,snd_seq_midi
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> snd_seq_midi_event      6047  2 snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_midi
[03:31] <KM0201> .. you gotta be kidding me?
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> snd_seq                47174  5 snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_seq_midi_emul,snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> snd_timer              19067  3 snd_emu10k1,snd_pcm,snd_seq
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> radeon                829223  2
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> snd_seq_device          5744  5 snd_emu10k1_synth,snd_emu10k1,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
[03:31]  * KM0201 sighs
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> snd                    49038  35 snd_emux_synth,snd_seq_virmidi,snd_emu10k1,snd_intel8x0,snd_usb_audio,snd_ac97_codec,snd_usbmidi_lib,snd_pcm,snd_hwdep,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> ttm                    56633  1 radeon
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> drm_kms_helper         30200  1 radeon
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> soundcore                880  1 snd
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> drm                   168060  4 radeon,ttm,drm_kms_helper
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> i2c_nforce2             5179  0
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> agpgart                32011  2 ttm,drm
[03:31] <joseph_AJ> i2c_algo_bit            5168  1 radeon
[03:32] <Unit193> !pastebin | joseph_AJ
[03:32] <joseph_AJ> psmouse                59033  0
[03:32] <joseph_AJ> gspca_sonixj           25900  0
[03:32] <joseph_AJ> gspca_main             23644  1 gspca_sonixj
[03:32] <joseph_AJ> k8temp                  3228  0
[03:32] <joseph_AJ> videodev               43098  1 gspca_main
[03:32] <joseph_AJ> v4l1_compat            13359  1 videodev
[03:32] <joseph_AJ> snd_page_alloc          7120  3 snd_emu10k1,snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
[03:32] <zenrox> ok snd_emu10k1 = live and ac97 is for ac'97
[03:32] <joseph_AJ> serio_raw               4022  0
[03:32] <joseph_AJ> emu10k1_gp
[03:32] <joseph_AJ> Sorry, I am new to this. :o(
[03:32] <zenrox> so it is loading the drivers for bolth
[03:32] <KM0201> joseph_AJ: you're new at this?.. you didn't think "hey, this outputted 100 lines, what should i tell you" rather than posting the whole thing here?
[03:33] <zenrox> also to joseph_AJ if you dont have any thang connected to the ac97 you should disable it in the bios of your pc to force it to use the sb live
[03:34] <zenrox> cause i assume the ac97 is the built in card
[03:34] <joseph_AJ> You're right.  My apologies, I am used to the Forums.....I guess I just assumed something that I shouldn't have.
[03:34] <zenrox> joseph_AJ, we are all allowed one mistake
[03:34] <zenrox> lol
[03:35] <joseph_AJ> :o(  I promise to control myself in the future. :o)
[03:36] <zenrox> its ok joseph_AJ
[03:37] <joseph_AJ> Good advise zenrox.  I didn't even think about using the BIOS to control my sound devices.
[03:37] <zenrox> your welcome
[03:38] <joseph_AJ> I know how to use M$ Windows but I am a noob at Linux and so I am still learning even the most basic uses of this OS
[03:39] <zenrox> joseph_AJ,  we were all thare at one time or another
[03:40] <joseph_AJ> Thank you all for your help.  I will try using the BIOS to disable the second audio card. I suspect that will solve this problem. Thank you again.
[03:41] <zenrox> n/p
[03:41] <zenrox> good luck
[03:52] <uofm49426> how can i tell what video ram is shared to my video card
[03:52] <uofm49426> i have a intel gma i915 running xubuntu 10.10
[03:54] <uofm49426> in window it can share up to 128
[03:54] <uofm49426> i want to see if ubuntu can too
[03:55] <zenrox> ubuntu can too i think your xorg.conf file should have it listed
[03:55] <zenrox> how much it can use
[04:00] <uofm49426> thinking of putting windows to the curb side for now or till ssd comes down or i get a docking station
[04:01] <uofm49426> i have a x41
[04:01] <uofm49426> the harddrive is rare
[04:02] <uofm49426> 1.8 inch ide
[04:02] <uofm49426> but the docking station has a option to add another drive
[04:04] <uofm49426> only thin i use windows for is when i need internet at my xbox 360 use my laptop as a bridge
[04:04] <zenrox> and you can set up linux to do that too
[04:05] <uofm49426> it easy for windows to do it not so easy on linux
[04:05] <zenrox> but it is posable
[04:07] <uofm49426> i wish someone would build it in  nm-applet or wicd
[04:07] <zenrox> agreed
[04:07] <zenrox> that could be a good feature request you can put up on launchpad.net
[04:07] <zenrox> for ubuntu
[04:10] <uofm49426> my laptop is fine for what i use it for its just for travel few low end game ill alway have window on my desktop
[04:10] <zenrox> i can play highend games on mine
[04:10] <zenrox> hp g60-249wm
[04:11] <zenrox> os[Linux 2.6.38-8-generic i686] distro[Ubuntu "natty" 11.04] cpu[2 x AMD Athlon Dual-Core QL-62 (AuthenticAMD) @ 2.00GHz] mem[Physical: 2.7GB, 70.9% free] disk[Total: 229.2GB, 76.9% free] video[nVidia Corporation C77 [GeForce 8200M G]] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia]
[04:11] <zenrox> not to shabbly for a 2 year old lappy
[04:12] <uofm49426> my desktop is a ga-ma78lm-s2h with a amd x2 be-2400
[04:13] <uofm49426> a geforce 330 gl
[04:13] <uofm49426> with 1024 of ram
[04:13] <uofm49426> 2 gb of ram
[04:14] <zenrox> that low of ram on a decktop
[04:14] <zenrox> i have 3 gigs in my lappy
[04:14] <uofm49426> my laptop is only 1.5
[04:15] <uofm49426> im slowly building up my desktop
[04:15] <uofm49426> i went for better video card over ram
[04:16] <zenrox> i got ride of my franken pc 2 years ago once i got this
[04:16] <uofm49426> i dont think i upgrading to 11
[04:17] <uofm49426> on my lappy
[04:17] <likemindead> What's the general consensus on Xubuntu 11.04 thus far?
[04:17] <KM0201> likemindead: i like it..
[04:17] <KM0201> :0
[04:17] <Unit193> 11.04 is sweet!
[04:17] <drc> Well worth the money spent
[04:18] <likemindead> I'm excited. Tried it back at Alpha 3, but some updates hardcore b0rked that install. :-\
[04:18] <zenrox> xubuntu 11.04 is perfect
[04:18] <likemindead> Plan to install it tomorrow on my laptop & regular Ubuntu 11.04 on my wife's.
[04:18] <Unit193> I had/have a bad update...
[04:18] <zenrox> i have it installed on my wifes allready too
[04:19] <zenrox> wanted to beat the rush on the servers
[04:19] <likemindead> I've been using Linux Mint 10 for the last few weeks. Good, but I miss Xfce in general & Xubuntu in particular.
[04:19] <uofm49426> well good for my desktop not so good for my thinkpad x41
[04:19] <likemindead> I'm rocking a five-year-old Lenovo 300 N1000.
[04:20] <zenrox> 2 year old hp g60
[04:20] <likemindead> Yeah, this laptop is "old" but man, it does everything I need it to & does it very well. :D
[04:20] <Unit193> likemindead: Do you think Xubuntu runs faster then Mint?
[04:20] <uofm49426> i hear there a problems with intel i915 and 11.04
[04:20] <zenrox> not saing old is good
[04:21] <likemindead> I can't really tell a difference, Unit193.
[04:21] <Unit193> Hrm... It just didn't feel as fast to me...
[04:21] <KM0201> uofm49426: i'vfe got a 965.. seems to work fine... it worked fine w/ Ubuntu.. its just th eeffects, etc.. drug down the rest of my laptop.. xubuntu was a great compromise.
[04:23] <uofm49426> i use to have a acer 5515 then ati stopped putting updates out
[04:23] <uofm49426> and the open driver sucked
[04:23] <KM0201> uofm49426: i've got an acer 5315.. :)  runs rather swimmingly w/ Ubuntu
[04:23] <KM0201> its actually what i'm on now
[04:24] <zenrox> that is why i will allways get a pc with an nvidia
[04:24] <zenrox> ati sucks with drivers for linux
[04:25] <uofm49426> well my desktop has a onboard ati hd 3000
[04:25] <uofm49426> replaced with nv geforce 330 gl
[04:26] <zenrox> i ant saying ati cards suck i am just saying ati does not support there drivers very well in the linux/oss sceine
[04:26] <zenrox> and nvidia seems to do a better job
[04:26] <uofm49426> best 50 dollar upgrade i ever spent
[04:26] <KM0201> zenrox: i agree... when i buy laptops/build my desktops.
[04:27] <KM0201> i always get nvidia.. this laptop was an exception, but the intel chipset has been fine (not really a gamer.. but fine for sitting around surfing)
[04:27] <uofm49426> ill take my x41 over a 5515 any day
[04:27] <zenrox> see i game on my lappy
[04:27] <zenrox> i needed the nvidia card a nv 8200m
[04:27] <KM0201> zenrox: i just play lbreakout  i love that game.
[04:27] <KM0201> olol
[04:27] <zenrox> i play second life
[04:27] <likemindead> Gaming for me equals NES, SNES, & Playstation emulation. ^__^
[04:28] <zenrox> see i am a retro gammer too
[04:28] <zenrox> love all the oldies
[04:28] <zenrox> zelda in the gold cartige for nes
[04:28] <uofm49426> in ubuntu a x1200 run like crap compared to i915
[04:29] <uofm49426> why cant open make better drivers
[04:30] <zenrox> not enuf money and hardware to test
[04:30] <uofm49426> old ati i mean
[04:31] <uofm49426> i was thinking maybe they would make better drivers then amd
[04:31] <zenrox> but thay dint have all the old hardware specs
[04:31] <zenrox> or the psyical hardware
[04:31] <zenrox> that is the limitaion in linux period
[04:33] <uofm49426> intel graphics always get a bad rap but so fare the open drivers are great
[04:33] <zenrox> early intel drivers like i810 suckd
[04:33] <zenrox> i9XX have bine better
[04:35] <uofm49426> if i decide to get ride of windows for no how can i do it with out reinstalling
[04:37] <zenrox> use gparted delete the windows partion and expand the linux one
[04:38] <uofm49426> would you boot from cd well doing this
[04:38] <zenrox> i would
[04:38] <KM0201> uofm49426: not sure how familiar you are w/ ubuntu/linux.. but if not "very" familiar, i'd recommend having some access to windows, for at least 6mo.. either another machine, or dual booting.. cuz if you don't, you'll be reinstalling by the end of the week when you run into a problem
[04:39] <KM0201> a friend of mine goes through this every ubuntu release.
[04:39] <KM0201> he downloads it.. thinks its awesome, nukes windows.. and literally, wthin a week, he's found some insurmountable problem (that he never asks for help about)... and is reinstalling Windows.
[04:39] <zenrox> KM0201, i did for ahile when i first started then i lernt how to fix it using irc and ubuntuforums.org
[04:40] <KM0201> i have tried to tell him so many times, to dual boot for 6mo, whether he only boots windows once a month or not.. before he removes windows.. but he never listens.. he actually IM'd me tonight said he was installing 11.04 and nuking windows(never learns)...
[04:40] <KM0201> i'm glad he's in japan, so he can't come over and ask me for help
[04:40] <zenrox> omg
[04:40] <zenrox> some ppl just never learn
[04:40] <uofm49426> im just thinking hard drive is just to small for them both
[04:40] <zenrox> and you cant teach them
[04:41] <zenrox> how big
[04:41] <zenrox> is it
[04:42] <uofm49426> is there a hard drive protection software in ubuntu
[04:43] <uofm49426> under windows thinkpad has a program that can protect harddrive from shock
[04:43] <KM0201> zenrox: i've tried telling him a gazillion times, and like i said.. he's installing as we speak(or at least as of an hour ago)... and i bet you by saturday, he's reinstalling windows
[04:44] <Unit193> uofm49426: Yes there is
[04:44] <zenrox> KM0201, tipical
[04:44] <KM0201> unfortunately... you can lead a horse to water..
[04:44] <uofm49426> what is it called
[04:44] <Unit193> hdapsd (I think)
[04:44] <zenrox> KM0201,  yep
[04:45] <uofm49426> and km0201 my desktop is dual boot vista and xubuntu
[04:46] <KM0201> uofm49426: see, thats fine...
[04:46] <KM0201> uofm49426: but this guy, he has one machine..
[04:46] <KM0201> like i said, i guarantee you, by saturday.. he'll be reinstalling 7.
[04:46] <uofm49426> my laptop i just a 40 gb hd
[04:46] <zenrox> go flat out xubuntu
[04:47] <zenrox> specaly since you have another pc
[04:47] <Unit193> uofm49426: checkout tpb and pidgin-blinklight if you use pidgin. You use Vista??
[04:49] <uofm49426> how do i use remote desktop and vista
[04:50] <KM0201> i haven't used xubuntu for a long time... but my old laptop was just struggling to keep up w/ all the flash and pizzaz of 11.04 and Gnome/Unity.. was gonna install lubuntu, but decided on Xubuntu.. happy i did.
[04:50] <zenrox> search for taht on ubuntuforums.org
[04:50] <zenrox> youll get a better or a howto
[04:50] <Unit193> uofm49426: Using RDP or VNC?
[04:51] <uofm49426> from xubuntu
[04:51] <zenrox> rdp
[04:51] <uofm49426> eather
[04:51] <Unit193> Are you OK with launchpad PPAs?
[04:52] <uofm49426> the computers are on a basic wireless network
[04:53] <Unit193> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:llyzs/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install freerdp-x11
[04:54] <uofm49426> i try to do it 2 days ago without luck'
[04:54]  * Unit193 uses RDP in linux when he needs it
[04:55] <KM0201> Unit193: i installed linux on several friends computers (out of state) w/ Teamviewer...lol.  it's easy for me, cuz they aren't techies, adn don't know how to open ports, etc
[04:56] <Unit193> KM0201: Wubi?
[04:56] <KM0201> Unit193: oh heck no.
[04:56] <KM0201> i partition the drive and everything.. i have them install teamviewer on the live cd..lol
[04:56] <KM0201> i wouldn't put Wubi on my worst enemies computer
[04:57] <Unit193> Ah! I didn't know how you would do it other then that...
[04:57]  * Unit193 has never used it
[04:57] <KM0201> Unit193: very simple app
[04:58] <KM0201> you start it.. it gives you a username and password... you give the remote person that username and passcode... whamo, your'e on their PC.
[04:58] <uofm49426> no if there was a program other then vm were you could install windows in a ex4
[04:58] <KM0201> no port forwarding, no running a vnc server, no command line, very very easy
[04:58] <uofm49426> that would be cool
[04:58] <Unit193> I don't like TeamViewer as much....
[04:58] <Unit193> xfreerdp -u $USER -f -x l -z $IP/HOSTNAME <--- if you want to use FreeRDP
[04:58] <zenrox> and thay have a teamviewer for linux (witch is wine and win ver of teamviewer)
[04:59] <KM0201> Unit193: i don't either, ut when its 1. use teamviewer or 2. rip hair out trying to explain port forwarding., 2a, gouge out eyeballs explaining setting up vnc server 2b, ram spikes into ears explaining how to set up vnc server... .. i'll just show them how to use teamviewer..lol
[04:59] <uofm49426> wubi install window in a linux partion
[05:00] <uofm49426> that would be cool
[05:00]  * KM0201 has saw wubi brick windows AND ubuntu way to many times, to ever trust it.
[05:00] <zenrox> i dont trust wubi either
[05:02] <Unit193> KM0201: It's sadly only for windows, but checkout UVNC SingleClick
[05:02] <uofm49426> would it be possible to run a vmware drive from grub
[05:03] <uofm49426> or plossible
[05:03] <KM0201> Unit193: meh.. teamviewer works fine for what i need it for, and i don't have to explain anything to them other than "double click that .deb and click install".. :)
[05:04] <Unit193> KM0201: Did you take a look at it?
[05:04] <KM0201> Unit193: naa.. don't really need to.. does it install on a linux live cd?
[05:04] <KM0201> Unit193: and you're still gonna have to deal w/ opening router ports, etc
[05:05] <Unit193> I don't think it will run under linux without wine: http://www.uvnc.com/addons/singleclick.html
[05:05] <Unit193> KM0201: That's the sweet part, it's a reverse connection
[05:05] <KM0201> oh ok.
[05:05] <KM0201> eh.. teamviewer works.. and i don't have to tell them how to install wine.. :).. it all gets installed when you install teamviewer
[05:06] <Unit193> Yeah, that way is better then using this in wine (But I like the *idea*)
[05:10] <KM0201> Unit193: no doubt the idea is awesome..
[07:00] <ball> hello jarnos
[07:01] <jarnos> ball, hello
[08:27] <ArisVer> Hi, today i say goobye to xubuntu.
[08:27] <mnemoc> hi, I upgraded to 11.04 and terminator stopped honoring my preferred browser. they say they delegated the job of choosing browser to "gtk". xdg-open opens chromium as I want, and I also set /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http{,s}/command and /desktop/gnome/applications/browser/exec with gconftool-2 to use chromium, but it insists in spawning firehog. any idea what else could gtk be looking at to decide what browser to spawn?
[08:27] <TheSheep> ArisVer: good luck on the new way of life
[08:28] <TheSheep> mnemoc: I spent a night on that one, it's /usr/share/applications/defaults.list
[08:28] <ArisVer> TheSheep, thank you. To be more precise, xubuntu said goodbye to me, it made that twice in the last two days.
[08:28] <mnemoc> TheSheep: thanks! :)
[08:31] <ArisVer> Goodbye ppl running xubuntu.
[08:32] <Unit193> Wonder what that was all about...
[08:32] <mnemoc> that was weird
[08:33] <lemraish> guys, is it possible to integrate thunderbird to mail menu, just as evolution in ubuntu? i'm using 11.4 beta
[08:45] <mnemoc> mail menu?
[08:48] <TheSheep> mnemoc: I guess it's the indicator plugin
[08:48] <TheSheep> mnemoc: new thing in 11.4
[08:50] <mnemoc> oh, nice. just added it
[08:51] <mnemoc> now i have two volume controls :p
[08:55] <jozefk> xubuntu 11.04 beta2 crashed for me. will the final release be stable?
[08:56] <mnemoc> beta2 is stable for me
[08:57] <jozefk> maybe your hardware is different
[08:57] <Unit193> Besides X seeming to freeze (and I think it's fixed) it is all fine
[08:58] <jozefk> yes I always have some problems with X or graphic driver I don;t know. it's eighter freezing or crashing
[09:00] <mnemoc> jozefk: tried reporting the bug properly?
[09:01] <TheSheep> !bug
[09:01] <jozefk> not yet. it's beta2. I was thinking about stable release. hope it work better
[09:01] <mnemoc> jozefk: developers can't fix problems they don't know about
[09:02] <jozefk> I see they already know about :)
[09:04] <mnemoc> good, so there is hope :)
[09:05] <jozefk> 11.04 will be release today right? we will see the hope very soon
[09:05] <jozefk> :)
[09:13] <mnemoc> having two displays (LVDS1+VGA1) is there a way yet to have them deal with virtual desktops separated instead of a single very large thing?
[09:20] <mnemoc> does that kind of multihead has a name?
[09:21] <knome> twinview?
[09:21] <knome> do you have an nvidia card?
[09:21] <mnemoc> intel
[09:21] <knome> integrated?
[09:21] <mnemoc> yes, notebook
[09:22] <knome> well, what you want is twinview-mode
[09:23] <mnemoc> i thought "twinview" was to see the same on both :)   thanks for the keyword, I'll search
[09:27] <Sysi> knome: my twinview doesn't work like that
[09:28] <knome> mine does
[09:28] <knome> well, it of course needs configuration
[09:28] <knome> but twinview is what i have
[09:28] <Sysi> xfce or xorg config?
[09:28] <knome> xorg
[09:29] <Sysi> if i need more space i'll use some workaround..
[11:27] <ichat> can anywone sugest me a  nice 'start menu'   that supports   recent apps,   search (apps and files)
[11:28] <knome> are you looking for something like gnome do?
[11:28] <ichat> i gues.
[11:28] <knome> have you tried that?
[11:31] <ichat> idid ounce but only got it to like like that bar -  rather than the start / pannel  / menu  ... i also tried mintmenu  but didn't get that to work with  xfce
[11:31] <knome> there is no panel applet that does what you are trying to achieve, afaik
[12:28] <tomtit> does anyone know if xubuntu 11.04 (stable) will be released sometime today?
[12:28] <knome> any time today UTC.
[12:29] <tomtit> knome: thanks
[12:29] <knome> no problem
[12:29] <tomtit> oh well got to go!
[12:30] <buff27> it's deleyed after the main ubuntu right?
[12:30] <Sysi> at the same time afaik
[12:31] <knome> it's parallel, yes
[12:31] <buff27> ubuntu site is updated for 11.04 downloads
[12:31] <buff27> xubuntu is not
[12:32] <knome> that'll be done once the new version is released and somebody with access right is available
[12:32] <buff27> ok
[12:32] <buff27> so just check the mirrors after annonce
[12:33] <knome> yes
[12:34] <knome> might be that some of the mirrors don't have xubuntu right away
[12:35] <KM0201> itsoutitsoutitsout   lol
[12:37] <KM0201> \o/oot   FINALLY!  :)
[12:43] <Sysi> !isitout
[12:43] <knome> :P
[12:44] <bazhang> its out
[12:44] <Sysi> bad bot
[12:44] <bazhang> very
[12:44] <knome> !isitout
[12:47] <Sysi> cdimage.ubuntu.com only has alternates of xubuntu
[12:47] <knome> ugh.
[12:56] <Sysi> yay desktops
[12:56] <knome> good
[12:56] <knome> i'm just upgrading :P
[13:08] <jimmy_> isen't the 11.04 for xubuntu being released today?
[13:08] <Sysi> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/11.04/release/
[13:09] <jozefk> that's final?
[13:09] <KM0201> jimmy_: well, ubuntu 11.04 was just released about an hour ago... doesn't lookk like xubuntu.com has beenr eeleased yet
[13:09] <Sysi> it will be updated
[13:10] <jozefk> updated? with what? and when?
[13:10] <jimmy_> KM0201, yeah i saw that, just woundering if it was scheduled to be released today or if it was delayed
[13:11] <Sysi> i mean website will get up-to-date
[13:12] <jimmy_> so the xubuntu 11.04 release was uploaded yesterday accoring to the link you provided me with Sysi? Say 2011 Apr 27
[13:12] <Sysi> they've propably been spinned tehn, for testing
[13:13] <Sysi> desktop-images just came out moment ago
[13:13] <KM0201> jimmy_: its not delayed.
[13:13] <jozefk> can we download from your link or not?
[13:14] <jozefk> the final stable I mean
[13:14] <jozefk> that's what i need
[13:14] <Sysi> that is the final release
[13:16] <jozefk> thanks
[13:19] <buff27> you can get xubuntu torrents from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/natty/release/
[13:20] <buff27> note torrent files have todays date.... HTTP is two days old
[13:20] <Mark76> What time does the upgrade start?
[13:20] <knome> you can upgrade already
[13:20] <Mark76> Hang on
[13:21] <buff27> already runnin it myself anyway
[13:21] <Mark76> Checking package info
[13:21] <buff27> prefer clean installs
[13:22] <knome> cdimage.ubuntu.com is under some serious pressure...
[13:22] <jimmy_> is it possible to run update-manager from 10.04 to 11.04? the only update that seems possible that way for me is to 10.10
[13:22] <knome> jimmy_, you need to upgrade to 10.10 first, then 11.04
[13:23] <jimmy_> thank you knome
[13:23] <buff27> knome, just a tad
[13:23] <knome> jimmy_, you can only "skip" releases if you are upgrading from lts to lts
[13:23] <knome> buff27, can't get to download the torrent...
[13:23] <buff27> really!
[13:23] <knome> well i'm upgrading so it's not necessary
[13:24] <buff27> i got it a bout 20-30min ago
[13:24] <knome> got it now
[13:24] <knome> just started trying ;)
[13:24] <jozefk> I'm getting 117kbps from cdimage
[13:24] <jozefk> that's enough for me :)
[13:24] <jimmy_> impressive :)
[13:24] <buff27> I like to have the ISO's handy incase I have other systems to install in next 6 months (before 11.10)
[13:25] <knome> well it's easier to download the iso tomorrow
[13:25] <knome> ;)
[13:26] <Sysi> http://lyseo.edu.ouka.fi/~jeremustonen/xubuntu/
[13:26] <Sysi> torrents
[13:26] <knome> let's d/l the i386 version as well
[13:26] <jimmy_> desktop iso just disappeard from cdimage, think i'll just sit tigth until the storm is over
[13:27] <jozefk> lol
[13:27] <Sysi> seeding torrent hard
[13:28] <knome> how hard? ;)
[13:28] <jozefk> so hard that i'll pass :)))
[13:28] <buff27> true easier.... I happy to let it trickle in overnight while i sleep
[13:30] <jimmy_> xubuntu.org - The site is currently not available due to technical problems.
[13:30] <knome> jimmy_, probably just too heavy load..
[13:31]  * buff27 is on the piss.....
[13:36] <buff27> Pici, voulf I pm you?
[13:36] <buff27> *could
[13:37] <Pici> buff27: Uh, sure go ahead.
[13:40] <knome> ugh?
[13:52] <fslima0> is xubuntu 11.04 also released?
[13:52] <Sysi> yes, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/11.04/release/
[13:52] <jozefk> yes
[13:53] <jozefk> maybe even this http://lyseo.edu.ouka.fi/~jeremustonen/xubuntu/
[13:53] <jozefk> :)
[13:53] <fslima0> i am upgrading from 10.10
[13:53] <fslima0> thanks
[13:53] <fslima0> hopefully it won't break things :)
[13:53] <jozefk> do backup anyway
[13:53] <jozefk> :)
[13:54] <knome> backup? is that some sort of exercise movement?
[13:54] <fslima0> lol
[13:55] <jozefk> backup is fun with rsync
[13:56] <knome> great, the new window resize grips
[14:00] <knome> erm, that link doesn't work
[14:00] <charlie-tca> no, We don t have the news release posted yet
[14:01] <knome> let's add the link when we do
[14:01] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[14:01] <elDingo> thanks
[14:01] <jozefk> knome what window resize?
[14:01] <knome> jozefk, the window resize grips at the bottom right
[14:02] <jozefk> don't know what you are talking about :))
[14:02] <knome> in natty
[14:06] <jozefk> I'm still downloading
[14:06] <elDingo> i can see only alternate isos
[14:08] <Sysi> torrents are working: http://lyseo.edu.ouka.fi/~jeremustonen/xubuntu/
[14:08] <knome> it's still weird that the desktop images are jumping up and down
[14:10] <elDingo> i'm firing up my seedbox right now! :)
[14:10] <charlie-tca> elDingo: you are right. Thanks. I am working on it now
[14:12] <elDingo> @Sysi where did you get that link from?
[14:12] <Sysi> i created it
[14:12] <charlie-tca> elDingo: you can get the desktop image at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[14:13] <elDingo> thank both of you
[14:20] <elDingo> goodbye, enjoy the new release! :-D
[14:23] <jozefk> knome what kind of desktop images?
[14:24] <knome> the desktop images as in .iso's
[14:25] <vabigoon> hey, is that thing in the title of chat, a stable release of xubuntu 11.04?
[14:25] <knome> yes
[14:25] <vabigoon> thank you guy :>
[14:25] <jozefk> I thought again something like a bug with window resize grips :))
[14:25] <knome> no :P
[14:25] <jozefk> whatever it is lol
[14:25] <knome> the resize grips are nice
[14:26] <knome> so you're still on maverick?
[14:26] <jozefk> don't know what you are talking about
[14:26] <jozefk> :))
[14:26] <jozefk> right now I'm in the office on win7
[14:26] <knome> a-ha
[14:26] <jozefk> but at home I will install xubuntu tonight
[14:27] <knome> hrm.. the first image result from google with "xubuntu natty" is from my own blog :P
[14:27] <jozefk> I tried some other xfce distros but ... ah are you talking about switching between desktops? on bottom right there are small windows for switching between desktops
[14:28] <jozefk> actually that's nothing to do with resize :D
[14:28] <knome> no
[14:28] <vabigoon> sorry for my stpid questions :> But, what's the difference between alternate and desktop cds?
[14:29] <knome> i'm not talking about the workspace switcher
[14:29] <knome> vabigoon, alternate does not have live cd capability
[14:29] <jozefk> ok. hope those grips will not push me away :)
[14:29] <knome> heh
[14:31] <knome> jozefk, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/window_resize_grip.png <- this is kind of the "worst" example, but it's the most visible
[14:31] <knome> jozefk, in maverick with greybird theme there was only 1px wide/tall area to resize the window
[14:32] <jozefk> oh boy. I thought it's some kind of serious problem
[14:32] <jozefk> that's nothing :)))
[14:32] <knome> it's not a problem at all
[14:32] <knome> it's a nice feature
[14:32] <jozefk> you can maximize and minimize the window that's enough :)
[14:33] <knome> not for me
[14:33] <jozefk> ah
[14:33] <jozefk> picky guy
[14:33] <drc> Wow...that was disappointing...woke up expecting a big final update...nada, nothing, no-updates-to-install... :(
[14:34] <knome> drc, but you can upgrade now, right?
[14:34] <jozefk> go back to sleep
[14:35] <drc> knome: running daily build from 2 days ago + daily updates.
[14:35] <knome> right... well we didn't expect a huge bunch of updates
[14:36] <drc> knome: I didn't either, even the beta2 was solid (for me)...but not even one gpgrade to mark the day?
[14:36] <knome> heh, i suppose not then :)
[14:36] <knome> don't fix it if it ain't broken
[14:37] <drc> don't break it if you can't fix it
[14:37] <knome> that too, but there wasn't really anything we should have rushed with
[14:38] <knome> so better leave it as is, and possibly break things only after the release
[14:38] <drc> I suppose I could install Unity and uninstall it, just for something to do :)
[14:38] <knome> err
[14:38] <drc> tea...now!
[14:39] <knome> i thought charlie-tca said you can't install unity and be able to remove it clenly
[14:39] <knome> +a
[14:39] <knome> so probably not the brightest idea..
[14:41] <fslima0> I went to upgrade from 10.10, but it gave the "xubuntu-desktop" error
[14:41] <fslima0> or something
[14:41] <knome> what 'error'? (if it's multiline, use !pastebin)
[14:42] <fslima0> "Can not mark 'xubuntu-desktop' for upgrade"
[14:42] <fslima0> o.O
[14:42] <drc> knome: Joke...see the smilie?
[14:42] <knome> drc, ":)" is not a joke smiley, ";)" is ;)
[14:43] <fslima0> WTF?
[14:43] <knome> fslima0, please watch your language
[14:43] <knome> fslima0, what happens if you do 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get upgrade' ?
[14:43] <fslima0> let me try that.
[14:44] <KM0201> servers are getting hammered
[14:44] <knome> no wonder
[14:44] <KM0201> lol
[14:49] <fslima0> "Thisis the BETA version"
[14:49] <drc> KM0201: How many times were you kicked from #u-r-p last night (I went to be early) ?
[14:49] <KM0201> drc: 15...lol
[14:49] <fslima0> so I am upgrading to the beta version or what?
[14:50] <knome> fslima0, it's not beta, it's final
[14:50] <fslima0> yea. but it gives me this warning when I upgrade with the command update-manager -d
[14:51] <fslima0> blah
[15:33]  * jozefk is burning
[16:04] <yeik> Hey, I was curious as to if anybody knows if I should run the ubuntu 11.04 update in xubuntu. Or why it shows up when xubuntu 11.04 isn't available yet.
[16:05] <Sysi> it is available
[16:05] <Sysi> update if you feel like it
[16:05] <yeik> hmm, the xubuntu website says it was last released as a beta 2
[16:06] <yeik> I thought maybe it was a bug pointing xubuntu directly to the ubuntu servers for its distro updates.
[16:07] <MK``> The website has just not been updated
[16:08] <yeik> Ok. where can I find a good changelog for the updates in 11.04?
[16:08] <Sysi> yeik: all *buntu'es download packages from same servers
[16:08] <yeik> Sysi, ok, does that mean the only difference is the packages it asks for and downloads?
[16:09] <MK``> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview
[16:09] <Sysi> yes, and things installed by default
[16:09] <MK``> that should list all changes
[16:11] <yeik> is there any difference between me making sure I get all the updates and the distro upgrade?
[16:18] <knome> yeik, yes, the distro upgrade is a different thing
[16:19] <yeik> knome, ok thanks.
[16:23] <boctulus> hola!
[16:23] <boctulus> algun amigo online ?
[16:23] <knome> !es | boctulus
[16:23] <boctulus> hi there
[16:24] <boctulus> anybody there ?
[16:24] <knome> yes
[16:24] <knome> obviously...
[16:24] <boctulus> hey hnome!
[16:24] <boctulus> :D
[16:24] <boctulus> I've a little issue
[16:24] <boctulus> with my network
[16:24] <boctulus> wi-fi
[16:24] <boctulus> ALMOST everytime I boot I need to press "Enable Networking" :@
[16:25] <boctulus> I've tried... re-install network-management
[16:25] <boctulus> Also.. I've tried with wicd but... It does not work for me (the password never works )
[16:26] <boctulus> anybody (not-bot) ?
[16:26] <knome> err, i'm not a bot
[16:26] <knome> :P
[16:27] <boctulus> :O
[16:27] <TheSheep> every bot says that
[16:27] <boctulus> sorry... he
[16:27] <knome> TheSheep, that too
[16:27] <boctulus> :D
[16:27] <boctulus> Could you help-me ?
[16:28] <knome> sounds a weird issue, maybe even something with hardware or the wifi connection, if it can connect sometimes
[16:28] <boctulus> yes
[16:28] <boctulus> almost 20% ... connects
[16:28] <boctulus> 80% fails
[16:28] <knome> does the wifi work okay with other machines?
[16:29] <TheSheep> I would check if you don' have something weird in /etc/network/interfaces
[16:29] <boctulus> BUT it's perfect working on Win 7
[16:29] <boctulus> I've re-wrote that several times
[16:29] <TheSheep> it?
[16:29] <boctulus> auto lo
[16:29] <knome> hmm... should all the interfaces be 'auto' there that network manager is managing??
[16:29] <boctulus> iface lo inet dhc
[16:30] <TheSheep> ugh, lo is loopback
[16:30] <boctulus> iface lo inet dhcp
[16:30] <boctulus> I now
[16:30] <TheSheep> it shouldn' use dhcp
[16:30] <boctulus> I tried before with lo
[16:30] <boctulus> lo0
[16:30] <boctulus> butt... It was the same :(
[16:30] <knome> if you need to paste multiline, use !pastebin
[16:30] <boctulus> there just 2 lines
[16:31] <boctulus> Any idea ? :D
[16:32] <TheSheep> is this a fresh ionstall?
[16:32] <boctulus> TheSheep,  YES!
[16:32] <boctulus> Ubuntu 10.10 Amd64
[16:32] <boctulus> fresh
[16:32] <knome> boctulus, maybe you should try upgrading to 11.04 which was released today...
[16:33] <TheSheep> and it works once you enable networking?
[16:34] <boctulus> yes!
[16:34] <boctulus> it works after a few seconds afeter
[16:34] <boctulus> after
[16:34] <boctulus> I very angry ...
[16:34] <boctulus> I've tried every solution
[16:34] <boctulus> EXCEPT make a script
[16:35] <TheSheep> I don't have any ideas either
[16:35] <boctulus> to do that at boot
[16:35] <boctulus> :(
[16:35] <TheSheep> well, you don't need a script
[16:35] <TheSheep> you can add config for eth0 to that network/interfaces
[16:35] <KM0201> is there an easy way to change the applications menu icon?
[16:35] <TheSheep> but it should work with just networkmanager
[16:36] <boctulus> when I add eth0 ... it does not work
[16:36] <knome> KM0201, what about trying to right-click and select properties?
[16:36] <boctulus> KM0201,  I 've no idea... but... xubuntu it's very basic desktop
[16:36] <KM0201> knome: don't see that option
[16:37] <KM0201> boctulus: yea... i seem to recall that option, but it's been so long since i used xfce
[16:37] <knome> KM0201, which xubuntu?
[16:37] <KM0201> 11.04
[16:37] <knome> KM0201, there is one.
[16:37] <knome> KM0201, try again.
[16:37] <KM0201> knome: where?
[16:37] <knome> right-click the applications menu
[16:38] <KM0201> oh geez
[16:38] <KM0201> duh
[16:38] <knome> in the context menu, you have the properties-menu
[16:38] <knome> *item
[16:38] <KM0201> <--- epic fail
[16:38] <boctulus> XUBUNTU 11.04 is innestable!
[16:38] <KM0201> i can't believe i missed that
[16:38] <boctulus> I do NOT recommend!
[16:38] <knome> boctulus, err?
[16:38] <boctulus> Many crashes
[16:38] <KM0201> boctulus: uh, i've had absolutely ZERO problems out of it.
[16:38] <boctulus> knome crashs with AMD X4
[16:39] <knome> boctulus, nope, it's considered stable.
[16:39] <boctulus> when I use instead a virtual machine with a basic processor... it works perfect!
[16:39] <KM0201> i had some problems w/ ubuntu 11.04, but i don't blame that on the OS.. it's the dinosaur laptop i was running it on, and Unity was just killin git.
[16:40] <boctulus> knome,  other issue: when I tried to install GNOME over XFCE... BOTH DESKTOPS where load at the same time!
[16:40] <boctulus> I shut down from XFCE and then.. Linux go to GENOME!
[16:41] <boctulus> and the performance fall a lot
[16:41] <KM0201> boctulus: i think your experience was in the minority... i never heard anything like that.
[16:41] <boctulus> (graph performance)
[16:41] <knome> boctulus, well, gnome3 is problematic. but why would you install gnome if you are using xubuntu?
[16:41] <KM0201> ..
[16:41] <KM0201> exactly
[16:41] <boctulus> knome, you are right :D
[16:42] <knome> anyway, until today, 11.04 was not advised to install on production machines anyway.
[16:42] <KM0201> gnome3 was problematic for me.. but.. honestly, i expected it to be.. i suspect when gnome 3 is actualy implemented into the OS(in 11.10) it will be much better
[16:42] <boctulus> KM0201, as I said... I think there is a problem with 2-processors 2-kernel chips
[16:42] <boctulus> I;m very sure
[16:42] <knome> i have a quadcore and no problems..
[16:43] <boctulus> Quads
[16:43] <boctulus> wich knome  ?
[16:43] <knome> AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black
[16:44] <boctulus> OK... It's better than mine
[16:44] <boctulus> maybe better sopported
[16:44] <boctulus> :D
[16:44] <knome> most probably no difference
[16:44] <boctulus> as you said
[16:44] <boctulus> in my experience...
[16:45] <boctulus> comparing with the same machine but virtualizated...
[16:45] <knome> yeah well. did you install gnome in that virtual machine?
[16:45] <boctulus> No
[16:45] <knome> there we go
[16:45] <boctulus> Just in the real machine
[16:45] <knome> as i said, gnome3 is problematic
[16:45] <boctulus> :O
[16:46] <knome> afaik, it's not possible to install gnome3 and then be able to remove it cleanly
[16:46] <boctulus> Maybe you are right
[16:46] <boctulus> Exactly!
[16:46] <KM0201> knome: that was mye xperience
[16:46] <boctulus> I was unable!
[16:46] <knome> yeah, but that doesn't mean xubuntu had a bug or xubuntu was unstable
[16:46] <boctulus> Ok... fireds...... I must to go :)
[16:46] <KM0201> boctulus: well what did you expect, you installed a GUI that wasn't totally supported... it's not gonna run flawlessly under most circumstances
[16:47] <boctulus> ha
[16:47]  * KM0201 thinks boctulus is just trying to be a rebel rouser
[16:47] <knome> gnome3 is probably better in plain ubuntu
[16:47] <boctulus> best regards KM0201  knome
[16:47] <knome> boctulus, have fun
[16:47] <boctulus> IDEM
[16:47] <KM0201> don't install anymore beta software, you're not smart enought o understand there will be problems
[16:47] <KM0201> lol
[16:49] <KM0201> man i want a good menu icon
[16:49] <KM0201> just cant come up w/ one
[16:49]  * drc think's he'll try to install gnome3 in kubuntu...
[16:49] <knome> well, we tried to get something nicer there but ended with problems with the panel padding etc., so we ended up with the logo...
[16:50] <knome> drc, well good luck, and happy reinstalling ...
[16:50] <KM0201> drc: if youv'e got a stable system, i wouldn't do it.
[16:51] <drc> Thanks...xubuntu 11.04 is so damn stable for me that I'm bored ;) (there...is <that> the joke smile?)
[16:51] <knome> drc, yep :P
[16:52] <KM0201> drc: i actually had very few probs through the beta process w/ 11.04.. well, none that could be blamed on the OS... and a few that could be blamed on me having a 6yr old laptop..lol
[16:53] <j1mc> hi all
[16:53] <j1mc> anyone around running xfce 4.8?
[16:54] <knome> j1mc, of course :)
[16:54] <j1mc> hey knome
[16:54] <j1mc> would you mind entering this: gdbus call --session -d org.freedesktop.DBus -o /org/freedesktop/DBus -m org.freedesktop.DBus.ListNames
[16:54] <knome> hey! (how's the website been?)
[16:54] <j1mc> and putting the output in a pastebin of your choosing?
[16:54] <knome> sure, just a sec
[16:54] <j1mc> knome: the website has been fine.  :)
[16:55] <knome> j1mc, http://pastebin.com/VjAEfKs3
[16:56] <knome> looks like there is a bug when resizing the terminal
[16:57] <j1mc> knome: thanks for that... the lead yelp developer is looking for some kind of way of determining what shell is running to display documentation appropriately
[16:57] <knome> :)
[16:57] <j1mc> so... if you're running unity, you'll see unity help. if xfce, xfce help, etc.
[16:57] <knome> yeah
[16:57] <knome> would be nice
[16:58] <j1mc> knome: i'm headed to uds in a week
[16:58] <knome> i'm not :|
[16:58] <j1mc> knome:   :/  that's too bad.  had you applied to go?
[16:59] <KM0201> UDS?
[16:59] <knome> no, can't go this time whatsoever
[16:59] <j1mc> ah
[16:59] <j1mc> KM0201: yes
[16:59] <Sysi> !uds
[16:59] <KM0201> oh ok
[16:59] <knome> Sysi, did you have a dualhead setup?
[16:59] <Sysi> i have
[17:00] <knome> Sysi, can you try something?
[17:00] <Sysi> not xubuntu stuff, but basically yes
[17:00] <knome> ugh well, then i don't know how meaningless it is, but let's try it
[17:00] <knome> open a terminal
[17:00] <knome> then maximise it
[17:00] <knome> does the other screen go black?
[17:01] <knome> (try maximising in screen 1, then screen 2)
[17:01] <knome> it happens with me when i open terminal in screen 2 and maximise
[17:01] <knome> if it's on screen 1 and i maximise it, nothing happens
[17:02] <Sysi> hum, i don't have xfce installed on this..
[17:03] <Sysi> if i had it would be 4.6
[17:03] <knome> bah
[17:04] <knome> how come you are so useless nowadays? ;)
[17:04] <Sysi> jockey.
[17:04] <knome> jockey what?
[17:04] <Sysi> jockey-gtk/Qt failed quite badly
[17:04] <knome> right...
[17:05] <Sysi> but i've started to think it maybe was lucid-only
[17:05] <knome> well, i still don't know why jockey says that a driver is installed, but not in use
[17:06] <Sysi> what is the name of nvidia module in natty?
[17:07] <aberhow> the main page, it is not updated!!!
[17:07] <drc> aberhow: true statement
[17:07] <Sysi> known bug :P
[17:09] <TheSheep> it's not a bug, it's a feature
[17:09] <knome> no, it's definitely a bug :P
[17:10]  * Sysi pokes webadmin
[17:10] <knome> not me
[17:11] <knome> pleia2, are you back from the holiday already?
[17:11] <pleia2> ah, yes
[17:11] <knome> (o hai)
[17:11] <pleia2> vinnl is our update-for-releases guy
[17:11] <pleia2> he'll have the proper text to add to it
[17:14] <Sysi> ugh, do i now have another broken memstick
[17:14] <Sysi> or is it just fedora..
[17:15] <knome> prolly just fedore :P
[17:15] <Sysi> i'll test on xubuntu
[17:18] <Sysi> ah, some /dev/zero does good
[17:18] <knome> :P
[17:20] <vabigoon> hi, i'm after system reinstallation, and my grub is "out of range" on my monitor, what should i do?
[17:20] <vabigoon> in xubuntu everything is ok
[17:20] <knome> !grub2
[17:21] <knome> probably check the latter link, might have some information on configuring grub. maybe try a smaller resolution or something like that
[17:25] <Sysi> knome: would you like to check if nvidia-xconfig gives valid xorg.conf on natty? :P
[17:25] <knome> err
[17:25] <knome> in which way valid
[17:25] <Sysi> one that doesn't throw you to xorg error screen
[17:25] <knome> well...
[17:25] <knome> maybe later?
[17:26] <vabigoon> What is the equivalent of gedit in xfce?
[17:26] <Sysi> mousepad
[17:26] <vabigoon> thanks
[17:27] <drc> Sysi: I have a nvidia-xconfig xorg.conf already, want me to pastbin it?
[17:27] <Sysi> i guess/wish my current will work on xubuntu too
[17:31] <KM0201> is there a way to show a thunderbird applet in the panel, so when i get mail.... it alerts me?
[17:32] <drc> KM0201: Yes
[17:32] <drc> Add New Items> Mail Watcher
[17:32] <KM0201> drc: i can't find that option in thunderbirds options
[17:32] <KM0201> drc: that one doesn't work
[17:33] <Sysi> how about indicator-plugin
[17:34] <drc> KM0201: If we are talking about the same thing, it works for me.
[17:34] <KM0201> i've used the mail watcher before, it keeps giving me errors.
[17:35] <drc> KM0201: I has given me errors with gmail, but I just cut-n-paste the gmail server from T-Bird and all was fine
[17:35] <drc> KM0201: I use it with gmail and a private mail server
[17:36] <KM0201> drc: gmail is not the prob
[17:36] <KM0201> yahoo is
[17:36] <Sysi> that plugin is quite unmaintained for what i know
[17:37] <drc> Sysi: It maybe (and probably is), but is there an alternative?
[17:37] <Sysi> my guess would be something with indicator-applet
[17:43] <KM0201> Sysi: the problem is, the indicator applet installs a truckload of junk that i don't need
[17:44] <Dice-Man> hello everybody
[17:45] <Dice-Man> i have some partition backup to do
[17:45] <Dice-Man> is the last xubuntu livecd is provided with partimage ?
[17:46] <vabigoon> it works :D thank you for that links, now i know how to change grub config and splashscreen ;D
[17:47] <charlie-tca> Dice-Man: not as a default application, but you can install it
[17:51] <Dice-Man> ok
[17:55] <bigbrovar-L> Hi guys, new to xubuntu, was wondering if it were possible to use compiz with xfce?
[17:55] <bigbrovar-L> it use to be possible the last time I tried which was 2008 (some 200 years ago)
[17:55] <Sysi> it is, but you need emerald or something to draw window borders
[17:56] <bigbrovar-L> Sysi, cool thanks, and how do I get it activated and booted with the system? there dont seem to be a way to do that from a gui? (been using kde for close to 3 years so am a bit rusty with compiz and the likes)
[17:56] <bigbrovar-L> I just know I would need to disable the native compositor for xfwm
[17:57] <Sysi> settings → sessions and startup → autostart → add compiz --replace
[17:57] <Sysi> install ccsm too
[18:13] <Sysi> can't test natty, need to seed it via torrent :/
[18:14] <beardygnome> hi all, anyone successfully upgraded from maverick to natty today?
[18:14] <beardygnome> i get "can not mark 'xubuntu-desktop' for upgrade" every time i try
[18:14] <beardygnome> can anyone suggest anything that might help me get around this?
[18:17] <Sysi> you're secon't to report that but i didn't notice a fix..
[18:17] <Sysi> you have maverick fully up-to-date?
[18:17] <charlie-tca> Do you have ubuntu-desktop installed also?
[18:17] <beardygnome> according to synaptic, all updates have been applied
[18:18] <beardygnome> charlie-tca: i'll check
[18:18] <charlie-tca> You can not have any other desktop for the upgrade to work
[18:18] <beardygnome> this *should* be an out-of-the-box maverick install
[18:19] <beardygnome> i have no other *-desktop package installed other than xubuntu-desktop
[18:20] <charlie-tca> try installing xfce4-application-indi
[18:20] <MK``> what was the first canonical-recognized xubuntu edition?
[18:20] <charlie-tca> try installing xfce4-application-indicator
[18:20] <charlie-tca> MK``: 6.06
[18:21] <MK``> thanks
[18:21] <charlie-tca> and, that was the first Xubuntu release
[18:22] <beardygnome> charlie-tca: xfce4-application-indicator is not a package that's available in synaptic
[18:22] <MK``> cool
[18:23] <charlie-tca> beardygnome: then I got the name wrong, let me find it
[18:23] <beardygnome> (I accidentally cleared the empathy window, so i may have got the package name wrong)
[18:23] <Sysi> xfce4-indicator-plugin maybe
[18:23] <beardygnome> Sysi: i have that installed already
[18:25] <MK``> wait, I can't upgrade if I have more than one desktop? :(
[18:25] <Sysi> only the *desktop-packages
[18:25] <Sysi> i'd think
[18:25] <MK``> I have 3 of them on here.
[18:25] <beardygnome> i've installed a few of the app-indicators recently, maybe i should remove them?
[18:27] <charlie-tca> beardygnome: you need to have xfce4-indicator-plugin instead of gnome/ubuntu indicator plugin
[18:28] <beardygnome> i have the xfce4 version installed
[18:28] <charlie-tca> encrypted home?
[18:28] <Arpad2> what this means? ' Failed to fetch http://hu.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gs-cjk-resource/gs-cjk-resource_1.20100103-2_all.deb 403  Forbidden' ?
[18:28] <beardygnome> i'll check that i don't have the others
[18:28] <n2diy> Was Xubuntu 11.04 released today?
[18:28] <MK``> yes n2diy
[18:28] <charlie-tca> yes, see the topic
[18:28] <Sysi> Arpad2: some problem with mirror
[18:28] <beardygnome> charlie-tca: i have a fully encrypted home
[18:29] <beardygnome> is that an issue?
[18:29] <charlie-tca> I don't know, but I am starting to think so
[18:29] <Arpad2> Sysi: to try tomorrow again?
[18:29] <charlie-tca> Arpad2: means that mirror is updating. Try later or tomorrow
[18:29] <Arpad2> ok
[18:30] <charlie-tca> beardygnome: file a bug for that against update-manager, and note that /home is encrypted
[18:31] <Sysi> does so-release-upgrade work?
[18:31] <Sysi> do-*
[18:31] <n2diy> Is there a way to display hard drive activity on my desktop or panel?
[18:32] <beardygnome> Sysi: no, that gives the same error
[18:32] <beardygnome> apt.log shows lots of broken packages
[18:53] <IdleOne> charlie-tca: what is the link for the natty shorcuts?
[18:54] <charlie-tca> http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts/28087#28087
[18:55] <IdleOne> thank you
[18:55] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[18:58] <Dice-Man> charlie tango charlie
[18:59] <vabigoon> is there any way to delete the icons of unmounted disks from the  desktop?
[19:02] <charlie-tca> vabigoon: not individually, but you can uncheck "removable drives" in menu -> Settings -> Desktop -> Icons
[19:03] <vabigoon> that possibility doesn't satisfied me because i've one partition which i want to see, only one :D
[19:05] <charlie-tca> :-(
[19:05] <vabigoon> i'll search, if i'll find something, i tell You
[19:06] <vabigoon> conditionals -_- , if i find something, i'll tell You :D
[19:06] <charlie-tca> I would appreciate that. I do not want all those partitions showing either, but that is the answer they gave me.
[19:07] <charlie-tca> Unfortunately, that also turns off the cd drive
[19:09] <Aey> where download new release xubuntu
[19:09] <charlie-tca> at the link in the topic
[19:10] <charlie-tca> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/natty/release/
[19:10] <Aey> try it error for download desktop 32 bit
[19:12] <charlie-tca> error when? It is downloading herre
[19:12] <Aey> Not Found
[19:12] <Aey> The requested URL /xubuntu/releases/natty/release/xubuntu-11.04-desktop-amd64.iso was not found on this server.
[19:12] <Aey> bolt
[19:13] <Sysi> torrents are better anyway :p
[19:13] <charlie-tca> um, that is not 32bit
[19:13] <Aey> same all
[19:14] <Aey> not found
[19:14] <charlie-tca> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/natty/release/xubuntu-11.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[19:14] <charlie-tca> every one downloads here
[19:15] <Aey> Not Found I try
[19:15] <charlie-tca> what is the full URL you are using?
[19:15] <Aey> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/natty/release/
[19:16] <charlie-tca> The links are working, maybe you have a busy connection from your location
[19:16] <Aey> I click PC (Intel x86) desktop CD
[19:16] <charlie-tca> and that takes you to a specific image to download
[19:17] <Aey> ok
[19:17] <Aey> I find it
[19:18] <charlie-tca> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/natty/release/xubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso
[19:18] <charlie-tca> click that link and download it
[19:21] <Aey> It Not found page
[19:21] <Aey> Not Found
[19:21] <Aey> The requested URL /xubuntu/releases/natty/release/xubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso was not found on this server.
[19:22] <Aey> try daily build?
[19:22] <Unit193> Even the link on the page is broken!
[19:23] <Aey> I see alternate list not see desktop
[19:24] <Unit193> Aey: I take it you don't want Alt or torrent?
[19:24] <Aey> want boot live CD
[19:24] <lojbaj> Aey: Can you use BitTorrent?
[19:25] <Aey> but it alternate BitTorrent
[19:25] <vabigoon> the most funny thing is that i set that partition to mount in fstab... and it disappeard from desktop by rebooting ;D
[19:25] <lojbaj> Aey: So you *can* use BitTorrent?
[19:26] <Aey> umm
[19:26] <Aey> maybe try daily build
[19:32] <Skaftafells> Hello to all of you! Is Xubuntu 11.04 stable going to be released today? Thanx
[19:32] <drc> Already is released.
[19:33] <charlie-tca> see the topic, please
[19:33] <Unit193> Aey: You can use the web torrent downloader: http://www.bitlet.org
[19:36] <Aey> check sum f1b224166bea923042e53b0e9d5ff63f *xubuntu-11.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[19:36] <Aey> 78719bfee11576729a62b4a241d40b19 *xubuntu-11.04-desktop-i386.iso
[19:37] <Aey> same daily build
[19:37] <charlie-tca> two different cd's
[19:38] <charlie-tca> amd64 is a 64bit version, i386 is a 32bit version
[19:38] <knome> Aey, amd64 vs i386
[19:38] <Skaftafells> Thank you. How to upgrade via the terminal?
[19:38] <Aey> I try 32 bit
[19:38] <Aey> 64 bit some time app not support
[19:39] <lojbaj> Skaftafells, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:39] <Aey> some drive
[19:39] <charlie-tca> Skaftafells: install the package update-manager-core if it is not already installed. Then execute the command sudo do-release-upgrade
[19:39] <lojbaj> oh, that's better
[19:42] <Skaftafells> charlie-tca, thank you
[19:42] <charlie-tca> no problem
[19:42] <charlie-tca> I suggest reading the release notes, though
[19:47] <Aey> I just switch xubuntu
[19:47] <Aey> It simple than ubuntu
[19:49] <charlie-tca> Aey: in some ways it is simpler, in some ways it can harder
[19:52] <Aey> um
[19:53] <vabigoon> is normal that i've session restored even if i don't want to have it? :(
[19:53] <charlie-tca> If you saved the session, then unchecked the box, yes
[19:53] <vabigoon> can i delete the session?
[19:55] <charlie-tca> yes, does anyone remember where the session was saved?
[19:58] <charlie-tca> vabigoon: delete ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-session.xml
[20:00] <vabigoon> thank you, now  will try to reboot without opera popping out
[20:06] <Sysi> ~/.cache/sessions ? or is that different
[20:08] <charlie-tca> I can't remember today
[20:09] <Dice-Man> err
[20:10] <Dice-Man> sorry to ask that
[20:10] <Dice-Man> but are there any desktop manager lighter than xfce ?
[20:10] <knome> Dice-Man, lxde (lubuntu) is probably the next lightest
[20:11] <knome> Dice-Man, there are even lighther, but naturally you lose userfriendliness the lighter you go
[20:11] <Dice-Man> ok you confirm what i was previously thinking
[20:13] <gglitch> Question for the xubuntu crowd, and apologies if this data is staring me in the face somewhere - what version of xfce is shipping with 11.04?
[20:13] <Sysi> 4.8
[20:13] <drc> 4.8.0, iirc
[20:14] <gglitch> Thanks
[20:14] <Sysi> not really .0 since it has patches
[20:14] <drc> Sysi: But not .1 ?
[20:15] <Sysi> i'm not sure about the release numbers, but xubuntu should have all bugfixes
[20:16] <drc> Whatever the number, it's nice.
[20:16] <gglitch> Looks nice, on the xfce site.
[20:17] <Sysi> nice new stuff
[20:17] <drc> gglitch: And the Xubuntu team did a really nice job on the menu(s).
[20:19] <drc> Believe me, I looked hard for something to complain about...but had to settle for minute and really insignificant problems.
[20:19] <zenrox> drc, i agree i have looked hard for bugs and it is perfect
[20:21] <bin_bash> hello
[20:21] <gglitch> Lovely.  It's not exciting because it seems like 60%+ of the functionality is outside of my scope.
[20:22] <bin_bash> kde is horrible
[20:23] <gglitch> I'm not sure I'd call it horrible; it works for me and it's not ugly. It's just...far too much. Way more than I need or want to spend cycles on.
[20:23] <bin_bash> Yeah
[20:23] <bin_bash> xfce is cleaner
[20:23] <drc> Ah...another cycle-miser.
[20:23] <gglitch> haha
[20:24] <bin_bash> true or false: there's less support for 64 bit xubunty
[20:24] <zenrox> false
[20:24] <bin_bash> true or false: all my stuff will work on x64
[20:24] <zenrox> false
[20:24] <knome> err
[20:25] <Sysi> random propietary apps maybe need some tweaking but shouldn't be really problem
[20:25] <knome> wrong answer :P
[20:25] <zenrox> but can be worked around
[20:25] <Sysi> basically there isn't difference
[20:25] <Sysi> exept that flash is "beta"
[20:25] <bin_bash> Yes... so I've heard...
[20:26] <bin_bash> Which kernel is natty running on?
[20:26] <KM0201> Sysi: i dont' know there's "no difference".. there's some differences, but i don't think the differences are huge... some hardware, you ahve to admit, dos not have a 64bit lnux driver.
[20:26] <knome> flash doesn't work glitchlessly, but it's okay, if your life doesn't depend on it
[20:26] <charlie-tca> I been running 64bit for two years without a problem
[20:26] <Sysi> KM0201: 32bit binaries can be run on 64bit system
[20:26] <bin_bash> My life depends on youtube videos.
[20:26] <KM0201> is the difference very narrow?.. absolutely
[20:26] <bin_bash> hey KM0201 <3
[20:26] <Sysi> knome: flash doesn't work great on 32 either
[20:27] <knome> bin_bash, well i'd suggest working on improving your life then
[20:27] <bin_bash> How about skype
[20:27] <knome> ;)
[20:27] <KM0201> Sysi: of course they can, but if you're going to install a 64bit system then d a bunch of workarounds to make 32bit drivers/software work, then what have you gained?
[20:27] <bin_bash> ;)
[20:27] <KM0201> bin_bash: :)
[20:27] <Sysi> KM0201: RAM
[20:27] <charlie-tca> bin_bash: I show the kernel as <IP_ADDRESS>.22.0
[20:27] <bin_bash> ok
[20:27] <KM0201> Sysi: i thnk she has exactly 4gigs of ram, iirc... so shes not gonna see a huge benefit from 64 vs 32
[20:27] <bin_bash> ^
[20:28] <charlie-tca> but that is 64bit
[20:28] <bin_bash> I has 4 gigs
[20:28] <Sysi> well i have only 4GB but i still prefer 64
[20:28] <charlie-tca> 32bit will only see 3.2gb
[20:28] <knome> if you have a 64-bit processor, i'd say install 64.
[20:28] <knome> even if you had 128MB ram.
[20:28] <KM0201> charlie-tca: the pae kernel will get installed automatically, and see all 4gigs.
[20:28] <bin_bash> This POS machine is brand new. I hate it
[20:28] <Sysi> knome: 64bit software uses a bit more ram but yeah, i would
[20:28] <gglitch> Point of sale?
[20:29] <gglitch> :)
[20:29] <KM0201> knome: my machine is "64b bit" but it only has 2gigs of ram... honestly I see no added benefit to using 64bit, so i stick w/ 32
[20:29] <bin_bash> Piece of S***
[20:29] <knome> Sysi, well isn't the idea in 64bit to buy as much ram as you can, so what's the problem ;)
[20:29] <KM0201> lol
[20:29] <knome> bin_bash, please watch your language, even obfuscated words. we're trying to keep the channel family friendly
[20:30] <bin_bash> oookay
[20:30] <knome> thanks
[20:30] <Sysi> KM0201: 64b should run a bit faster on it
[20:30] <bin_bash> Well maybe I'll just throw caution to the wind and install 64 bit
[20:30] <bin_bash> was sagt du?
[20:30] <Sysi> i don't say it's noticeable but it should
[20:30] <drc> The real 32 vs 64 question, for me, is what apps I use are really optimized for 64 bit (not merely compiled for it)?
[20:31] <knome> bin_bash, yeah, i'd say go for 64, and if it looks like nothing is working, use the extra time to go to 32 anyway
[20:31] <KM0201> Sysi: i've honestly had both on this machine, and saw no distinguishing difference.. other than the fact(back int he day) flash was a pain, multimedia codecs were a pain, any web plugin was a change.
[20:31] <KM0201> *pain
[20:31] <bin_bash> I'm really basic. I use irc and browsing and skype and pidgin.
[20:31] <bin_bash> So, konversation, firefox, pidgin, openoffice
[20:31] <Sysi> KM0201: i have never had any problems on 63 i haven't had on 32
[20:31] <Sysi> *64
[20:31] <KM0201> Sysi: how long have you been using ubuntu/linux?
[20:32] <Sysi> since hardy was released
[20:32] <bin_bash> The one problem I had on the basic ubuntu install was skype crashing
[20:32] <KM0201> Sysi: maybe thats part of the reasoning then, i remember some of the problems back w/ 5.10 and 6.06
[20:32] <bin_bash> KM0201: if I install 32 bit, I'll get the PAE kernel and be able to use all 4gigs?
[20:32] <knome> i've used 64 for years as well...
[20:32] <KM0201> and thats what forged my decision to use 32bit.
[20:32] <KM0201> bin_bash: yes, if you install 32bit, you'll get the PAE kernel, and it should see/use all 4gigs.
[20:33] <bin_bash> okay, then 32 it is.
[20:33] <Sysi> KM0201: ancient problems are ancient
[20:33] <drc> so is KM0201 ;)
[20:33] <KM0201> Sysi: unfortunately, i'm set in my ways,  that d i admitted that above.
[20:33] <bin_bash> NOW COMES THE FUN OF MAKING ANOTHER USB!!!!!! :|
[20:33]  * KM0201 will never own a mac..lol
[20:34] <zenrox> KM0201, me neather
[20:34] <bin_bash> KM0201: I was talking to my dad about it last night about how they had to replace my computer again and he offered to pay for me to exten my apple care, and I was like "no it's going to be like 200 bucks"
[20:34] <bin_bash> and he said "Well a new mac is like 2000"
[20:34] <bin_bash> and I was like "LOL I'm not ever getting another mac"
[20:34] <KM0201> lol
[20:34] <Pirkule> wierd problem here: I installed xubuntu on my acer aspire one using universal usb installer, now my computer won't give even the boot menu. is there anything I can do?
[20:35] <Sysi> bin_bash: too bad they're actually worth it :/
[20:35] <bin_bash> Sysi:  Not really to me anymore
[20:35] <Sysi> Pirkule: it goes past BIOS?
[20:36] <Sysi> and what is
[20:36] <Pirkule> sysi, no I can't get to bios, it is completely black, nothing on the screen
[20:36] <Sysi> "universal usb installer"
[20:36] <Pirkule> find it by google... guesss it is similar to usb creator
[20:36] <Sysi> linux never touches the bios, HW problem or really hidden splashscreen
[20:37] <charlie-tca> Does the live desktop work with that usb installer?
[20:37] <Pirkule> yeah, i thought it must be hw problem, but wierd connection, since it worked with xp
[20:37] <Pirkule> i didn't try the live desktop
[20:38] <Pirkule> i just installed
[20:38] <bin_bash> Pirkule: It's likely that it's not compatible
[20:38] <bin_bash> Which release did you use?
[20:38] <Pirkule> 10.10
[20:39] <bin_bash> hmm
[20:39] <bin_bash> Did you research that particular computer before installing?
[20:40] <drc> Pirkule: I'd try what charlie-tca  suggested...boot to the liveUSB and see what happens
[20:40] <Pirkule> no i didn't =/
[20:40] <Pirkule> i can't boot to anything...
[20:40] <bin_bash> Pirkule: did you erase your other install?
[20:40] <Pirkule> i had win xp before and i just gave the xubuntu installer permission to overwrite it
[20:41] <bin_bash> well
[20:41] <charlie-tca> put the usb drive in, and boot. There should be a try before installing option on it
[20:41] <drc> Pirkule: You had to boot the liveUSB to install, right?  Then Just use the "Try" rather than the "INstall"
[20:41] <bin_bash> Pirkule:  Did you backup your xp partition?
[20:41] <mikeatvillage> BIOS screen, than black... no boot messages at all?
[20:41] <charlie-tca> 10.10 you have to hold the right-shift key to see the grub menu
[20:41] <maolmuire> MY old dell would do that blank screen thing if I had a usb drive plugged in.
[20:41] <Pirkule> no, not even bios screen, nothing absolutely nothing
[20:42] <Pirkule> completely black all the time
[20:42] <bin_bash> No lights or anything?
[20:42] <Pirkule> power led
[20:42] <maolmuire> Would never get to teh bios screen.
[20:42] <charlie-tca> check the connectors
[20:42] <bin_bash> Unplug the USB and try
[20:42] <maolmuire> Make sure you've unplugged all usb drives, it can't hurt.
[20:42] <Pirkule> yes, tried that
[20:42] <bin_bash> congratulations.  I understood it was today?
[20:46] <charlie-tca> Read the topic please.
[20:46] <Pirkule> KM0201: ok, i will try that, but i don't have high hopes
[20:46] <mikeatvillage> I'm currently upgrading to 11.04
[20:46] <KM0201> lemonhaze: they prboably dont have the 11.04 iso's up yet, but it should be out.. if you upgrade 11.04 beta2, it will be current
[20:46] <charlie-tca> yes, 11.04 iso's are up
[20:47] <KM0201> xubuntu/kubuntu/lubuntu, always lag a bit behind ubuntu on getting the final version up
[20:47] <bin_bash> Pirkule: do you have any kind of CD drive or external HDD?
[20:47] <lemonhaze> charlie-tca: appologies I overlooked the topic
[20:47] <charlie-tca> Just read the topic, it gives the link even
[20:47] <Pirkule> i have external hdd
[20:47] <lemonhaze> yeah alright
[20:47] <lemonhaze> no need to go on about it
[20:47] <charlie-tca> Thanks, lemonhaze
[20:48] <lemonhaze> np charlie-tca
[20:48] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu has always had images up when the announcement goes out
[20:48] <bin_bash> Pirkule: you can try booting from an external
[20:48] <KM0201> charlie-tca: really?.. i've never noticed that... it's always been behind as long as i can remember
[20:48] <Pirkule> ok, got to try that also
[20:49] <charlie-tca> no, it hasn't, at least not since 7.04
[20:49] <bin_bash> KM0201: yeah it is a little behind. not in the announcements yet lol
[20:49] <KM0201> charlie-tca: well, today its lagging behind
[20:49] <charlie-tca> no
[20:49] <bin_bash> KM0201: should I try the ubuntu 11.04 cd and the xubuntu usb?
[20:49] <bin_bash> might be fun
[20:49] <KM0201> charlie-tca: have you looked at their website?
[20:49] <charlie-tca> I run it
[20:49] <KM0201> bin_bash: i would.. i think it will work fine
[20:49] <bin_bash> and if not then i'll burn a cd
[20:49] <charlie-tca> Why would you insist on telling the project leader he's wrong?
[20:50] <KM0201> charlie-tca: ok.. i'm not dyslexic, and i'm looking where it says "10.10 codename maverick meercat (latest stable version)"
[20:50] <maolmuire> Pirkule, try unplugging the box, all cables for 30 seconds or so, make sure it is completely powered off. Then re-connect and try booting again.
[20:50] <bin_bash> charlie-tca: I was just on there.  You should know the final is out
[20:53] <zenrox> i updated my usb drive earlyer
[20:53] <KM0201> charlie-tca: ?... i was looking at the web site... and all i said was.. "if you download the beta and update it, you'll be current"... is that not accurate?
[20:53] <bin_bash> Oh, KM0201 dude. I tried UNetbootin
[20:53] <bin_bash> And it didn't even work LOL
[20:53] <mikeatvillage> I will be using it in 2 hours, no, wait... 5 hours.  I gave a way to get the final version only to see you say "download beta2".
[20:55] <Sysi> i tried to make actual xubuntu installation to run from usb-stick, i think al almost did it
[20:55] <charlie-tca> bin_bash: unetbootin is broken again?
[20:55] <bin_bash> No, just this stupid computer
[20:55] <Sysi> it maybe would have worked with rEFIt
[20:55] <KM0201> charlie-tca: will downloading the beta2 iso(on xubuntu.org) and updating it.. not get you to what everyone is currently up right njow?... againl you're talking about the topic, i'm talking about the website.
[20:56] <charlie-tca> You get to download twice or three times as much. Why do that to people?
[20:56] <Sysi> KM0201: it doesn't make doing it less stupid
[20:56]  * drc looks to see if he got to #club-ubuntu by mistake.
[20:56] <KM0201> Sysi: i was talkign bout the website lagging behind, period, nothing less...  so if thats stupid, then talk to the website devs for xubuntu.org
[20:56] <Sysi> i i'll get that macbook defragged, it will run xubuntu
[20:57] <KM0201> i have no idea why this is such an issue..
[20:57] <TheSheep> KM0201: do you have anything else we can help you with?
[20:57] <KM0201> TheSheep: i wasn't having a problem, i was helping bin w/ her issue
[20:57] <jozefk> I just installed 11.04 and choose the option to download updates during installation. now after installation I change the repo server to france and reload. didn't get any error but no more updates. .is that fine?
[20:57] <KM0201> jozefk: so you're up to date.
[20:57] <TheSheep> KM0201: that's awesome, do you have a problem that we can help you with NOW?
[20:57] <bin_bash> Sysi:  I don't see why defragging has anything to do with it
[20:58] <KM0201> TheSheep: other than i hae no idea why charlie-tca freaked out on me, no.
[20:58] <jozefk> why no error no error on reload?
[20:58] <Sysi> bin_bash: partitioning (bootcamp) fails now
[20:58] <bin_bash> really
[20:58] <bin_bash> Which Macbook
[20:58] <jozefk> on*
[20:58] <TheSheep> KM0201: Fantastic. Let's conecntrate on helping users. Thank you.
[20:58] <Sysi> bin_bash: about one year old basic macbook, HDD filed and then removed everything, similar maybe several times
[20:59] <Sysi> *filled
[20:59] <bin_bash> hmmm interesting
[20:59] <bin_bash> Have you tried using gedit?
[20:59] <bin_bash> errrr
[20:59] <bin_bash> gparted
[20:59] <Sysi> nope, just following instructions
[21:00] <bin_bash> Sysi: is this your first linux experience?
[21:00] <Sysi> it should anyway be easy to fix with CCC
[21:00] <bin_bash> I like using gparted to partition
[21:00] <Sysi> bin_bash: i've used linux for little over two years, my GF haven't
[21:00] <bin_bash> Ah ok
[21:00] <bin_bash> Is this your first time installing it on a mac, then
[21:00] <Sysi> and i haven't used EFI-machine
[21:01] <bin_bash> Sysi:  Okay. Don't use the EFI boot
[21:01] <Sysi> what do you mean?
[21:01] <bin_bash> Did you install rEFIt already?
[21:01] <Sysi> nope
[21:02] <bin_bash> Okay. Good.
[21:02] <jozefk> can xubuntu play mp3, avi, vob, divx by default or I need to install something first?
[21:02] <Sysi> mactel guides are pretty good, i think i'll get it done after trick with CCC
[21:02] <Sysi> if she lets me tou touch that laptop again
[21:02] <bin_bash> Sysi:  partition with gedit
[21:02] <Sysi> jozefk: install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:02] <bin_bash> gparted
[21:02] <bin_bash> wtf
[21:02] <bin_bash> is wrong with me
[21:03] <knome> bin_bash, again, watch your language, even with abbreviations...
[21:03] <bin_bash> Sorry.
[21:03] <jozefk> server in france is so fast for me :)
[21:03] <Sysi> bin_bash: it can work even if bootcamp gives "can't move some files"-error?
[21:03] <bin_bash> Sysi: How big is the harddrive
[21:03] <Sysi> plenty of free space
[21:04] <jozefk> thanks Sysi  that was exactly what I needed
[21:05] <bin_bash> Sysi: Have you tried partitioning using disk utility instead of boot camp?
[21:06] <mikeatvillage> I don't know where my upgrade is coming from but it's telling me anything between 1hr 10m to 4hr 45m getting packages :-(
[21:06] <jozefk> which office is available for xubuntu? openoffice or libreoffice?
[21:07] <charlie-tca> libreoffice in 11.04
[21:07] <charlie-tca> OpenOffice in anything older
[21:07] <jozefk> nice
[21:07] <jozefk> :)
[21:07] <bin_bash> charlie-tca: no openoffice in 11.04?
[21:07] <charlie-tca> mikeatvillage: it depends on the speed of the connection usually
[21:08] <charlie-tca> bin_bash: nope, Ubuntu moved to libreoffice
[21:08] <jozefk> good idea
[21:08] <jozefk> about moving to libreoffice
[21:08] <Unit193> charlie-tca, I thought Xubuntu had gnome(?) office (gnumeric, abiword)
[21:08] <bin_bash> =/
[21:09] <charlie-tca> bin_bash: libreoffice has most of the changes ubuntu was making to openoffice, so it makes it a bit easier to use
[21:09] <mikeatvillage> charlie-tca: I'm out in the sticks and well accustomed to these d/l speeds :-)
[21:09] <bin_bash> hm ok
[21:09] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu does use gnumeric and abiword, but the user can install libreoffice if desired
[21:10] <charlie-tca> mikeatvillage: I got one takes 5 hours to download the upgrades, then more time to install everything
[21:10] <jozefk> this distro is amazing
[21:11] <uofm49426> help
[21:11] <Sysi> pop a question and we give ansver
[21:12] <uofm49426> how do i edit Videoram on 50-wacom.conf
[21:12] <jozefk> I can have 1920x1080 resolution + pulseaudio is working and I can have sound on all speakers 5+1. and above all it's XFCE! perfect :)
[21:13] <uofm49426> there is no xorg.conf anymore for me to VideoRam "130560"
[21:14] <uofm49426> for my 128 mb of ram to my i915
[21:15] <Sysi> you need to log in to virtual console and run Xorg-configure
[21:17] <uofm49426> how
[21:18] <jozefk> Ctrl+Alt+F2 maybe
[21:18] <jozefk> or change the init
[21:19] <Sysi> i think there is how-to somewhere
[21:19] <jozefk> no skype for xubuntu?
[21:20] <uofm49426> how do i run a virtual console
[21:20] <jozefk> Ctrl+Alt+F2 I think
[21:20] <Sysi> jozefk: same skype as in ubuntu
[21:20] <jozefk> come back with Ctrl+Alt+F7
[21:21] <jozefk> I don't see skype in repo
[21:21] <charlie-tca> !skype
[21:22] <Sysi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=83973
[21:22] <jozefk> ekiga is blocked in this country. even skype but skype is working. skype-to-skype is working
[21:22] <uofm49426> xorg-configure coomand not found
[21:23] <KM0201> jozefk: where are you that they block ekiga?
[21:23] <jozefk> UAE
[21:23] <KM0201> oh ok
[21:23] <jozefk> they block all VoIP SIP and anything alike...
[21:23] <KM0201> i wasn't aware that skype was blacklisted there...
[21:23] <jozefk> sucks the big one :)
[21:24] <jozefk> skype.com is blocked. the whole domain
[21:24] <KM0201> oh ok... but if you get the .deb, it works?
[21:24] <jozefk> but if I intall it it works. except that you can't call phones from it
[21:24] <KM0201> i see..
[21:25] <jozefk> before it was working for calls also but no more :)
[21:25] <KM0201> hm
[21:31] <KM0201> jozefk: was you able to download the .deb for skype?
[21:32] <jozefk> I forgot to open that link but if I need to download the deb file from skype.com it's not possible here
[21:33] <jozefk> I'll check the link now
[21:35] <jozefk> that instructions are for ubuntu
[21:35] <Sysi> doesn't matter
[21:35] <KM0201> jozefk: your'e not using ubuntu?
[21:35] <jozefk> lol this is xubuntu
[21:35] <KM0201> ubuntu/xubuntu   it's like a hot chick.. .she's still hot in a different dress
[21:36] <jozefk> hahah
[21:36] <KM0201> same underneath
[21:36] <mikeatvillage> lol
[21:36] <jozefk> I think I need to enable canonnical partner repo first
[21:37] <KM0201> jozefk: probably
[21:37] <bin_bash> KM0201: Making these USBs isn't as hard the 5th or 6th time.
[21:38] <KM0201> bin_bash: lol.. now you know why in grade school teachers made you write spelling lists.
[21:38] <KM0201> lol
[21:38]  * nonix4 ponders where to find xubuntu mirrors w/ 11.04...
[21:38] <bin_bash> I'm alwas like "KLHEWSEFJESKFELWJASK WHY SO CASE SENSITIVE"
[21:38] <KM0201> lol
[21:38] <KM0201> nonix4: topic
[21:39] <KM0201> nonix4: but for Gods sake, don't say you can't see them ont he website
[21:39] <bin_bash> LOL
[21:39] <nonix4> KM0201: don't see any mention of mirrors on that site, only cdimage which is overloaded and torrents which are underseeded :)
[21:39] <Sysi> bin_bash: how you're making mac-sticks, refit or something else?
[21:40] <bin_bash> Sysi: terminal
[21:40] <nonix4> (usual ubuntu mirrors only seem to have ubuntu & kubuntu atm, no xubuntu)
[21:40] <Sysi> torrent should work okay
[21:40] <bin_bash> nonix4: see the topic
[21:40] <KM0201> nonix4: looks like the only thing on the link in the topic, is the alt. cds
[21:40] <charlie-tca> IS is working on the xubuntu website, and until they get done, we can't add the mirrors to it
[21:41] <jozefk> skype installed
[21:41] <charlie-tca> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/natty/release/ has both desktop and alternate, jigdo and torrent along with the iso files
[21:41] <KM0201> jozefk: \o/oot
[21:41] <jozefk> I think I'm complete now :)
[21:42] <jozefk> if no errors on reload/updates in the future, this distro will last long :))
[21:44] <mikeatvillage> (I'm _still_ upgrading)
[21:44] <KM0201> jozefk: been 11.04 for about 5 weeks, i've had no problems that weren't self induced
[21:45] <bigbrovar> HI guys, got couple of question about xubuntu, 1, does xubuntu come with pulse audio? two are there any tool for xfce for configuring bluetooth?
[21:45] <mikeatvillage> yes, to pulse audio
[21:45] <KM0201> bigbrovar: yes it comes w/ pulse audio, and i'm pretty sure there's bluetooth tools (not sure if they are there by default though)
[21:46] <Sysi> i think bluez is installed by default
[21:46] <Sysi> if not, blueman works
[21:46] <bin_bash> okay brb tryan this
[21:46] <bin_bash> Sysi: I'll be back in a few if you have anymore mac questions
[21:46] <KM0201> lol
[21:46] <KM0201> then she can confuse you some more
[21:46] <bigbrovar> thanks
[21:47] <KM0201> bigbrovar: if they aren't installed out of the box.. they should be easy enough to install, assuming you have internet access
[21:47] <jozefk> I forgot about chrome. does it works with xubuntu?
[21:47] <KM0201> jozefk: it should.. i don't see why it wuldn't.
[21:48] <Sysi> chromium-browser is in repositories and chrome works too
[21:48] <KM0201> jozefk: xubuntu.. is ubuntu.. if you can do it with ubuntu, you can do it w/ xubuntu..
[21:48] <mikeatvillage> yes, chromium and chrome work OK
[21:48] <KM0201> the tools might be different, or you may do it in a slightly different(GUI) way, but it will work.
[21:48] <jozefk> I see chromium but not chrome there
[21:48] <KM0201> jozefk: chromium is the open source version of chrome
[21:48] <jozefk> I know that
[21:48] <KM0201> if you want chrome, download the .deb from google
[21:49] <jozefk> but i like chrome :)
[21:49] <KM0201> jozefk: they're the same browser.. youw ouldn't know the difference if soemone didn't tell you (at least i never saw a difference)
[21:49] <Sysi> it lacks the shiny pdf-opening but otherly totally same
[21:49] <KM0201> Sysi: ah, so there is a difference
[21:49] <bigbrovar> KM0201, Thanks, I use to use blueman a while back, so am quite comfy with it
[21:50] <KM0201> bigbrovar: ok.. so you shouldn't have an issue then.
[21:50] <Sysi> it also includes flash, what isn't necessarily good (and it's in the repositories anyway)
[21:50] <jozefk> by the way what's the default PDF reader?
[21:50] <KM0201> jozefk: evince i think
[21:50] <Sysi> evince it is
[21:50] <KM0201> gonna say,l if youd on't know, go download obama's birth-cert and find out..lol.. you can find that anywhere
[21:51] <jozefk> I don't see evince anywhere
[21:51] <jozefk> maybe it's hidden :)
[21:51] <KM0201> jozefk: it is.. download a pDF and open it.. and it will come up like magic
[21:52] <KM0201> well, bin_bash just signed back on to AIM very quickly,l so I'm guessing her USB didn't work..lol
[21:52] <KM0201> i'm guessing that didn't work?
[21:53] <bin_bash> lolno
[21:53] <bin_bash> gotta burn a cd
[21:53] <KM0201> freakin macs
[21:53] <bin_bash> iknorite?
[21:53] <jozefk> parole media player can't play .m2t files
[21:53] <bin_bash> jozefk:  get mbp
[21:53] <bin_bash> mbd
[21:53] <Sysi> try VLC or mplayer
[21:54] <jozefk> mbp mbd what are those?
[21:54] <bin_bash> mdp is a typo for mbd
[21:54] <bin_bash> !mbd
[21:54] <jozefk> lol
[21:54] <Sysi> !info mbd
[21:54] <bin_bash> ew
[21:54] <bin_bash> !info moc
[21:54] <Sysi> so mplayer
[21:55] <jozefk> vlc will be fine I think
[21:55] <Sysi> vlc is good
[21:55] <bin_bash> vlc is a decent ui-based player. what about totem
[21:55] <Sysi> totem isn't better than parole
[21:56] <jozefk> i don't care what app it is as long as can watch videos.
[21:56] <jozefk> I*
[21:56] <bin_bash> vlc then
[21:56] <bin_bash> !info vlc
[21:56] <jozefk> yes downloaded
[21:56] <bin_bash> !info mpd
[21:56] <bin_bash> that's it. mpd
[21:56] <jozefk> that's music player
[21:57] <bin_bash> I know
[21:57] <bin_bash> I was looking for myself
[21:57] <Sysi> i like simple players but still every CLI-one sucks
[21:57] <jozefk> there are some good cli music players
[21:57] <bin_bash> mpd doesnt seem bad
[21:57] <Sysi> mpd is just the daemon
[21:57] <jozefk> but I haven't use them for long long time
[21:58] <KM0201> i like audacious... for playing music... small foot print, easy to set up playlists, etc..
[21:58] <Sysi> there might be some good frontend but i don't like that daemon-style
[21:58] <jozefk> banshee, audacious both are nice
[21:58] <bin_bash> mehhh banshee is not so great
[21:59] <bin_bash> what was that one that came with 10.04
[21:59] <jozefk> why not? banshee looks nice :)
[21:59] <bin_bash> it's so bloated
[22:00] <jozefk> ah yeah it is but works nice
[22:00] <KM0201> anybody remember xmms?
[22:01] <jozefk> I do
[22:01] <jozefk> :)
[22:01] <KM0201> i think xmms2 is CLI now... if you're interested in command line
[22:01] <jozefk> xmms looks like winamp I think
[22:01] <bin_bash> omg hurry up and veirfy
[22:01] <bin_bash> jeez
[22:01] <KM0201> lol
[22:01] <KM0201> patience is a virtue
[22:01] <bin_bash> tbh making the img and then putting it on a usb takes less time
[22:02] <KM0201> bin_bash: yes, it does.. i can't understand why you have to make both though.. seems a little weird
[22:02] <Ceron^_> hi, how do i setup remote desktop in xubuntu i have been trying to figure that out for about 3 hours now
[22:02] <bin_bash> it's because it initially read the drive, but then the drivers don't exist for linux, so it's like "uhhh I don't see anything here"
[22:02] <KM0201> Ceron^_: 3hrs?... are they all on the same network?
[22:02] <bin_bash> "Oh wait. yeah, there's a live desktop on a USB"
[22:03] <Ceron^_> KM0201: yeah i just need a remote desktop to access my xubuntu box
[22:03] <Sysi> Ceron^_: install vino and connect via some vnc client
[22:03] <KM0201> bin_bash: lol
[22:03] <Ceron^_> it doesnt let me
[22:03] <Ceron^_> i installed vino i got it running but my pc doesnt connect to it
[22:03] <Sysi> you have right ip?
[22:03] <Ceron^_> yeah
[22:03] <Sysi> what error?
[22:03] <KM0201> Ceron^_: i'm going to assume you've got some sort of vncserver running on the xubuntu box, right?
[22:03] <bin_bash> kkbrbagain
[22:03] <Ceron^_> timed out
[22:04] <Sysi> firewall?
[22:04] <Ceron^_> nope
[22:04] <Ceron^_> ufw off
[22:04] <Ceron^_> on all pc's
[22:04] <KM0201> hmm
[22:04] <Ceron^_> anyone else using vino-server on xubuntu 10.10?
[22:04] <KM0201> Ceron^_: just install teamviewer on each one.. lol.
[22:04] <Ceron^_> teamviewer crashes
[22:04] <KM0201> really?
[22:04] <Ceron^_> yeah
[22:04] <KM0201> hmm, no probs here
[22:04] <Ceron^_> ...
[22:05] <Ceron^_> how hard can it be to setup a remote desktop on a xubuntu machine
[22:05] <KM0201> Ceron^_: well, to be truthful, its not
[22:05] <Ceron^_> thats actually working
[22:05] <KM0201> but you need to make sure the server is working.
[22:05] <Ceron^_> well it says its listening
[22:05] <KM0201> its probably not running as a server
[22:05] <Ceron^_> on 5900
[22:05] <KM0201> hmm
[22:05] <Ceron^_> with netstat
[22:05] <KM0201> Ceron^_: is port 5900 open on your router?
[22:06] <Ceron^_> i am on same LAN
[22:06] <Ceron^_> no firewalls
[22:06] <Ceron^_> what vnc client should i use?
[22:06] <Ceron^_> for vino?
[22:06] <KM0201> i always just use tsc.. but i'm sure there's others
[22:06] <Sysi> shouldn't matter if it's working one.. remmina or vinagre for xfce
[22:15] <Ceron^_> it says failed to connect from my windows pc
[22:15] <Ceron^_> when i try to connect to vino server using ultravnc viewer
[22:15] <Ceron^_> or tightvnc viewer
[22:15] <Ceron^_> or vnc4viewer
[22:15] <Ceron^_> ip::5900 / ip:5900
[22:15] <KM0201> sounds like there isn't a server running on the xubuntu box
[22:16] <Ceron^_> netstat on the xubuntu machine shows listening on 5900
[22:16] <Sysi> you could try something else than vino
[22:16] <Ceron^_> i can access the vino server on the xubuntu machine itself
[22:16] <Sysi> and check ip again, ifconfig
[22:16] <Ceron^_> yeh the ip is correct i can use ssh
[22:16] <Ceron^_> Sysi: got any recommendations what i could try
[22:17] <Sysi> apt-cache search vnc :b
[22:17] <Sysi> i shortly tried it year ago
[22:17] <Ceron^_> ..
[22:18] <knome> x11vnc is working, if you are okay with CLI
[22:19] <Ceron^_> nah i need the xfce native
[22:19] <Ceron^_> interface working
[22:19] <Ceron^_> i prefer 1:1 native display sharing
[22:19] <zenrox> is it bhind a firewall
[22:20] <Ceron^_> its inside internal lan
[22:20] <Ceron^_> i use it locally
[22:20] <Ceron^_> from windows pc -> access xubuntu "server"
[22:20] <zenrox> do you have a firewall running on the server side
[22:20] <Ceron^_> ufw is off
[22:20] <Ceron^_> xubuntu 10.10 default installation
[22:21] <zenrox> what about windows
[22:21] <Sysi> well vino is actually gnome
[22:21] <Ceron^_> yeah, so i need xfce vnc server
[22:22] <mikeatvillage> I thought it ran on port 5800, and port 5900 for accessing the vncserver from a browser ?
[22:23] <mikeatvillage> (5800 to get to it with vncviewer that is)
[22:23] <Unit193> mikeatvillage: Switch the ports and you're correct
[22:25] <mikeatvillage> Thanks Unit123, I always forget them :-)  I never put the port number on the end of the clientname or ip address of the vncserver, I just accept whatever it think its default is :-))
[22:26] <mikeatvillage> Oh, I owe you 270  lol
[22:26] <Unit193> You could do: x11vnc -safer -forever -display :0 (if it's installed)
[22:27] <Ceron^_> Unit193: what does that do?
[22:27] <Unit193> Starts a VNC server
[22:27] <Unit193> ^^^ That puts it up with NO password!!
[22:27] <Ceron^_> with what properties?
[22:27] <Ceron^_> does it show my xfce desktop?
[22:27] <Ceron^_> :)
[22:28] <Unit193> Does for me...
[22:28] <Ceron^_> :O
[22:28] <KM0201> you'll wanna password protect that, if youv'e got port frwarding tot hat desktop, and it can be contacted from the outside
[22:28] <tomasz> hi all
[22:28] <KM0201> yo
[22:28] <tomasz> 11.04 is relased ?
[22:28] <tomasz> xubuntu
[22:28] <Sysi> yup
[22:28] <KM0201> indeed
[22:28] <tomasz> becous dont see on official site
[22:29] <mikeatvillage> yup, I'm _still_ upgrading  :-))
[22:29] <tomasz> ok :)
[22:29] <Ceron^_> whats new with xubuntu 11.04?
[22:29] <Ceron^_> is it worth upgrading?
[22:29] <tomasz> new kernel
[22:29] <Ceron^_> stable?
[22:29] <pleia2> xfce 4.8 (rather than 4.6) is pretty shiny
[22:29] <tomasz> yes
[22:29] <Sysi> all new software, totally different xfce
[22:29] <Unit193> Ceron^_: -usepw if you want a password (I would say for testing you don't ned to use one)
[22:30] <Ceron^_> im just afraid that it will break my zoneminder setup
[22:30] <Ceron^_> if i upgrade to 11.04
[22:30] <Ceron^_> :D
[22:30] <Sysi> if you have working system and you like it, don't upgrade
[22:31] <tomasz> i have now unity but think about xfce
[22:31] <DingTo> hey
[22:32] <Ceron^_> Unit193: NICe thx
[22:32] <tomasz> some body put on youtube video about xubuntu 11.04 ?
[22:35] <KM0201> tomasz: a video about what?
[22:48] <KM0201> why is the icion for XFCE, a mouse?  How did that come about
[22:49] <KM0201> bueller.... bueller?
[22:49] <knome> KM0201, probably better to ask #xfce about that
[22:49] <KM0201> hmm, ok
[22:50] <bin_bash> Hello. Question: How can I disable the touch-click on my touchpad? There's no option under "mouse" and there's no trackpad settings option
[22:50] <knome> bin_bash, have you tried gsynaptics
[22:50] <bin_bash> knome. No. I'm still isntalling.
[22:50] <KM0201> !synaptics
[22:50] <KM0201> i didnj't think synaptics was around anymore
[22:51] <tomasz> video about work of new xubunru
[22:51] <knome> tomasz, have you maybe tried to search youtube with 'xubuntu 11.04'?
[22:52] <KM0201> tomasz: there's probably youtube videos of xubuntu in action..
[22:52]  * KM0201 remembers he wanted to install recordmydesktop
[22:53] <jozefk> it's freezing
[22:53] <jozefk> xfce is freezing
[22:54] <KM0201> brb.. dog needs out
[22:55] <jozefk> I think it's time to clean my PC or just to get reed of it. everything start freezing on it. KDE and XFCE. only gnome worked so far but gnome3 sucks so I'll not use that :)
[22:58] <KM0201> jozefk: gnome 3 doesn't suck, when properly implemented... it doesn't work well w/ ubuntu, but if you check out gnome3.org, and look at a couple of live cds they have there(base don fedora and opensuse) it's pretty good.. but anyway.. how are you attempting to install, cd or usb?
[22:59] <Unit193> jozefk: PC specs?
[22:59] <KM0201> fwiw, i think gnome 3 is properly implemented(probably 11.10) it's gonna be fine
[23:00] <jozefk> PIV 3.2GHz HT Intel Graphic on MoBo, 2GB DDR2 RAM
[23:00] <jozefk> I will  not use gnome 3  :)
[23:00] <Ceron^_> Unit193: lol now it stopped working?
[23:00] <jozefk> I would go for KDE but it was freezing
[23:00] <Ceron^_> does xubuntu have somekind of firewall
[23:00] <Ceron^_> i am unaware off?
[23:01] <jozefk> now XFCE is also freezing
[23:01] <KM0201> jozefk: ok... how are you attemptingm to install, usb or cd?
[23:01] <KM0201> kde... ::shutters::
[23:01] <jozefk> I think this is the end of this PC :)
[23:01] <Unit193> Ceron^_: It was working?
[23:01] <Ceron^_> yeah same command
[23:01] <Ceron^_> now it doesnt work wtf..
[23:01] <KM0201> jozefk: i doubt it... but you could have an underlying hardware problem that is causing this.
[23:01] <jozefk> like what?
[23:02] <DarkEra> Maybe a bit late but on the behalf of me and buddy of mine: Congrats with the new Xubuntu release Xubuntu-team. Looking great and runs very well. Thanks
[23:02] <jozefk> dust on memory or what?
[23:02] <KM0201> jozefk: to be honest, the laptop i am on now, isn't near as powerful as your machine, and has less ram, and 11.04 is running fine
[23:02] <KM0201> jozefk: i said *could be*... now answer my question, how are you installing, from usb or cd
[23:02] <jozefk> I installed everything from CD
[23:03] <KM0201> jozefk: ok.
[23:03] <KM0201> jozefk: if it were me... i would try the alternate install cd.. and if you're trying 64bit, i would try 32bit..
[23:03] <KM0201> jozefk: also, when you burn the CD, burn SLOWLY...
[23:03] <jozefk> no I use 32bit on this machine
[23:03] <KM0201> ok.. thats finje
[23:03] <KM0201> *fine
[23:04] <jozefk> I burned 4x to RW
[23:04] <KM0201> jozefk: ok, i would try the alt. install cd, have you ever used it?
[23:04] <jozefk> but this happened with other distros also. now only kbuntu and xubuntu
[23:05] <jozefk> never used the alt. cd
[23:05] <Unit193> Ceron^_: The computer is still responsive? Logged in? What does that command give you now?
[23:05] <jozefk> not only*
[23:05] <KM0201> jozefk: sometims if you have some hardware that is giving the live cd fits...
[23:05] <KM0201> the alt cd will get the system installed..
[23:05] <KM0201> !alternate | jozefk
[23:05] <Ceron^_> Unit193: the computer responds just fine
[23:05] <Ceron^_> with ssh
[23:05] <Ceron^_> all the time
[23:06] <KM0201> jozefk: as long as you're familiar w/ the install process, the alt cd will not be difficult for you
[23:06] <Ceron^_> 29/04/2011 01:04:27 Autoprobing TCP port
[23:06] <Ceron^_> 29/04/2011 01:04:27 Autoprobing selected port 5900
[23:06] <Ceron^_> 29/04/2011 01:04:27 Listening also on IPv6 port 5900 (socket 10)
[23:06] <jozefk> it's not about hardware support I think. it's more about some hardware defect or failure. I don't know
[23:06] <Ceron^_> The VNC desktop is:      ultrazoner:0
[23:06] <Ceron^_> PORT=5900
[23:06] <Ceron^_> there
[23:06] <Unit193> Ceron^_: I had it where X had issues but SSH worked fine
[23:06] <Ceron^_> Unit193: ?
[23:06] <jozefk> might be I need to clean it or something.
[23:06] <Ceron^_> what kind of problems?
[23:07] <MK``> How's Xubuntu 11.04 going? :) Stable enough to be recommended
[23:07] <KM0201> jozefk: very unlikely...
[23:07] <MK``> ?*
[23:07] <charlie-tca> jozefk: have you ever run the memory test on that machine?
[23:07] <KM0201> the only thing a "dirty" pc can really cause, is heat buildup... and most the time, the PC will shut down when it gets to hot.;
[23:07] <jozefk> didn't run memory test for long time
[23:07] <KM0201> memory test is another good idea.. as freezing is a good sign of bad ram..
[23:07] <drc> MK``: Rock stable for the past couple of weeks on my machine.
[23:07] <Unit193> Ceron^_: As long as you can move the mouse and click things, you don't have it
[23:07] <jozefk> it's not shutting down
[23:07] <charlie-tca> run is until it finishes, it takes a few hours
[23:08] <Ceron^_> its wierd cause its listening
[23:08] <jozefk> from xubuntu live cd?
[23:08] <Ceron^_> on port 5900 right now
[23:08] <Ceron^_> but it just wont connect
[23:08] <Ceron^_> says timed out
[23:08] <Ceron^_> when i try
[23:08] <KM0201> jozefk: if its not shuttingj down, its very unlikely its heat or because the pc is "dirty"
[23:08] <charlie-tca> that or the grub menu,. either one
[23:09] <jozefk> there is no grub menu, linux is the only one os here
[23:09] <Unit193> Ceron^_: Connection timeout? Try to ping it (are you using it's name or IP?)
[23:09] <charlie-tca> just hold right shift at the end of the bios checks, you should get a menu
[23:09] <Ceron^_> hmmph
[23:09] <Ceron^_> wierd
[23:09] <Ceron^_> netstat doesnt show it listening
[23:09] <jozefk> how many hours approximately?
[23:10] <charlie-tca> somewhere between 3 and 6
[23:10] <jozefk> ok then i need to start right now
[23:10] <jozefk> is there any log or the PC will wait with results?
[23:11] <Ceron^_> Unit193: yeah now x11vnc is not showing up on netstat
[23:12] <charlie-tca> I believe it will show the results on screen
[23:12] <Ceron^_> ok now it works :p
[23:12] <Ceron^_> just had to add network ip and another port
[23:13] <jozefk> and wait for me to wake up in the morning? screen will not be gone?
[23:13] <Unit193> !vnc | Ceron^_
[23:13] <jozefk> anyway I'll try and see
[23:14] <jozefk> thanks. it might be helpful.
[23:14] <charlie-tca> jozefk: correct, screen should not be gone even after all night
[23:14] <jozefk> if the RAM is fine then maybe the graphic on MoBo is the problem
[23:14] <KM0201> jozefk: i'd try the alt cd, but thast my opinimon.
[23:15] <jozefk> I can always try alt CD later
[23:15] <KM0201> jozefk: thats what i would do.. if you're familiar w/ the process of installing linux, it will be easy for you.
[23:15] <KM0201> but just keep in mind, its all text based
[23:15] <KM0201> if you need help, come here on another laptop and we can help you
[23:16] <jozefk> I don't mind if it is text as long as it's not too complicated as Arch for example or gentoo or slackware
[23:16] <KM0201> jozefk: its really not that difficult.
[23:17] <jozefk> then no problem. i'll try memtest now
[23:17] <jozefk> see you tomorrow :)
[23:17] <KM0201> hae fun.
[23:17] <KM0201> nobody in xfce knows where the mouse came from
[23:19] <aee> in partional can't mount /backup
[23:19] <drc> KM0201: It's the little mouse that crept in the corners being sneaky...while the big bad gnome stomped around making grunting noises.
[23:20] <KM0201> lol
[23:20] <KM0201> as good as any i guess
[23:20] <zenrox> or it was a pet that got put in to xfce
[23:20] <zenrox> pet named balou
[23:20] <KM0201> hmm, maybe
[23:21] <zenrox> so km what do you think ofthe new xfce
[23:21] <KM0201> zenrox: i like it.
[23:21] <KM0201> :)
[23:21] <KM0201> assuming you're talking bout the version w/ xubuntu 11.04
[23:23] <zenrox> yes
[23:23] <KM0201> yup, i like it
[23:23] <zenrox> me too its so much cleener
[23:23] <KM0201> i wish the menu was a little easier to edit/change
[23:24] <KM0201> like a gui tool, like alacarte for gnome.
[23:24] <KM0201> but.. beyond that.. i like it
[23:24] <zenrox> ya thats the only gripe i have
[23:24] <zenrox> but its great
[23:24] <KM0201> yup.
[23:24] <Unit193> I keep trying to right-click to findout what command runs the program :)
[23:24] <KM0201> lol
[23:24] <zenrox> lol
[23:25] <likemindead> Happy Release Day, all!
[23:25] <zenrox> back at ya
[23:25] <likemindead> Should I install libreoffice-gnome as well in Xubuntu?
[23:25] <likemindead> Or just skip that package?
[23:26] <zenrox> wouldent hurt
[23:26] <KM0201> likemindead: just sudo apt-get install libreoffice   if it needs it, it'll install it
[23:26] <drc> Do you need LibreOffice?
[23:26] <likemindead> I prefer it, drc.
[23:27] <DarkEra> it's up to you what you want to do, not us. :)
[23:28] <KM0201> drc: as do i?
[23:28] <drc> likemindead: Oh, sorry...you said "libreoffice-gnome"...I missed the gnome part...it was a late night at the release party....
[23:28] <KM0201> lol
[23:28]  * KM0201 got kicked 15x out of the release party
[23:29] <drc> I had to take my shoes off to keep track of how many times KM0201 got kicked...and then quit at lucky 13.....
[23:29] <KM0201> lol
[23:29] <KM0201> i thnk i got kicked an even 13...lol
[23:29] <KM0201> *15
[23:29] <zenrox> i was kicked at lest 10 times
[23:30] <Unit193> What channel?
[23:30] <zenrox> #ubuntu-release-party
[23:30] <KM0201> ubuntu-release-party
[23:31] <KM0201> you missed all the fun if you weren't there
[23:31] <zenrox> is it out yet? lol
[23:31] <drc> I thinnk for the next one, they should make an Eliza-bot.  "Is it out yet?"  "Why do ask if it's out yet?"
[23:31] <KM0201> lol
[23:32] <zenrox> it was way to much fun to trip up the bot
[23:35] <drc> Any one remember what the final "delay" (Somoa time) was when it actually was released?
[23:36] <charlie-tca> drc: I think the release happened close to 11:00 UTC, but I might be off by an hour
[23:37] <zenrox> it was after 12:15am pst
[23:37] <drc> I meant the "because you asked" dely time....
[23:37] <charlie-tca> yeah, it was between 10:30 and 11:00 UTC
[23:37] <charlie-tca> I don't know what that was
[23:38] <drc> charlie-tca: Every time some one asked, the bot added an houre to the projected release time.  By the time I went to bed it was midday on the 29th
[23:38] <MK``> ok I need advice: I want to do a clean install of Xubuntu on an older PC, and I already have a 10.04.2 livecd of Xubuntu. Should I install that and upgrade or is it better to download and burn an 11.04 livecd?
[23:39] <mikeatvillage> I would think an iso d/l would be quicker
[23:42] <KM0201> MK``: i would(and do) just download/burn the current cd
[23:42] <drc> MK``: I'd go for the new iso install...it's 2 releases on xubuntu and 1 of xfce...just to be safe
[23:43] <MK``> alright thanks for the advice, will do
[23:43] <charlie-tca> much faster to download 11.04 and install it
[23:43] <charlie-tca> You have to upgrade 10.04 -> 10.10 ->11.04
[23:44] <knome> faster and less prone to errors
[23:44] <drc> and use the torrent....
[23:47] <mikeatvillage> This machine has just taken 4 hours to download the updates, and now it's telling me it would like another 2 and a half to install ... I wish I'd gone for the iso :-))
[23:51] <uofm49426> can i do this in 10.10 http://www.ubuntugeek.com/intel-graphics-performance-guide-for-ubuntu-904-jaunty-users.html
[23:53] <KM0201> is there a keyboard shortcut, to change workspaces?..
[23:54] <drc> CTRL ALT right/left arrow?
[23:54] <Unit193> KM0201: Scroll on the desktop
[23:54] <KM0201> no scroll wheel
[23:55] <KM0201> drc: that worked
[23:55] <KM0201> where ca you change that/
[23:56] <charlie-tca> KM0201: menu -> Settings -> Window Manager -> Keyboard
[23:56] <mikeatvillage> What does the "Click to start dragging "[some app]" in the bottom r/h corner do, I can't seems to figure it out.
[23:56] <charlie-tca> It expands the window size
[23:57] <charlie-tca> That is the resize grip
[23:57] <charlie-tca> but it only works if the window is resizeable