[12:39] <saispo> bersace: ping ?
[12:39] <bersace> saispo: pong
[12:40] <saispo> :)
[12:40] <saispo> i try your solution, but don't find pipe :/
[12:41] <bersace> ISO_Level3_Shift + Maj + L
[12:41] <saispo> i use enter key in the num pad for 3rd group, but the conbinaison for pipe is ?
[12:41] <saispo> w00t
[12:41] <bersace> see gnome-keyboard-properties to examine keymap
[12:41] <bersace> my symbols map is as close as possible to Mac OS X one except the bugs
[12:41] <saispo> bersace: is more difficult than emacs :)
[12:42] <bersace> in Mac OS X, caps then  give , not
[12:42] <bersace> saispo: lol
[12:42] <saispo> bersace: will find another key fir 3rd group :)
[12:42] <bersace> that's not easy
[12:43] <saispo> apple on the right is not needed ?
[12:44] <saispo> a virtual keyboard which present all touch is not present in gnome ?
[12:52] <crimsun> argh, wtf. Upstream just reverted a patch that I made that reverted a patch that upstream made. So we get to reinstate what was correct all along.
[12:56] <TheMuso> crimsun: What package?
[01:00] <crimsun> take a wild guess :-)
[01:00] <geser> alsa
[01:00] <crimsun> hda_intel.c
[01:03] <TheMuso> oh ok
[02:08] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[02:21] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:22] <RAOF> Heya bddebian
[02:22] <bddebian> Hi RAOF
[02:22] <Hobbsee> hi bddebian, RAOF
[02:22] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[02:22] <RAOF> Hey Hobbsee
[02:23] <racarr> That was an absurdely large amount of greetings for 3 people
[02:24] <RAOF> I was hoping to get into a cycle of infinite greetings.
[02:24] <bddebian> heh
[02:25] <racarr> RAOF: That seems possible if you had a greeting chain so long that people left and came back during it
[02:25] <racarr> :p
[02:27] <RAOF> racarr: Or, maybe, you could have a cyclic greeting graph that spanned channels!
[02:28] <racarr> RAOF: It's only socially proper if it's Hamiltonian!
[02:32] <bddebian> HI AJMITCH!!
[02:32] <ajmitch> I could come up with some nasty reply to anyone who greets me
[02:32] <ajmitch> but that would violate the CoC
[02:34] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:42] <crimsun> well, that's more overt than imply breaking their audio :-)
[02:42] <crimsun> simply, even
[02:44] <ajmitch> hehe
[02:47] <bddebian> HI CRIMSUN
[02:47] <ajmitch> bddebian: your caps lock appears to be stuck
[02:47] <bddebian> nah
[02:47] <ajmitch> please go & take a hammer to your keyboard to fix it
[02:48] <crimsun> bddebian: HI 1/3 DEITY!
[02:48] <bddebian> not hardly :-(
[02:48] <crimsun> your wiki page belies you
[02:52] <bddebian> My wiki page?
[02:54] <crimsun> BdDebianIsAGod
[02:54] <crimsun> spelled correctly, of course
[02:56] <LaserJock> hi guys
[02:57] <LaserJock> HI BDDEBIAN
[02:57] <TheMuso> Does GTK, and more specifically glade, allow you to create combo boxes that also allow text entry? If so, what is the widget class name?
[02:58] <TheMuso> Referring to https://launchpad.net/bugs/59386
[02:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 59386 in gnome-ppp "using /dev/ttyUSB0 in gnome-ppp" [Medium,Confirmed]
[02:58] <LaserJock> what do you mean by text entry?
[02:58] <shawarma> Probably a GtkTextEntry. :-)
[02:58] <LaserJock> shawarma: ha ha, very helpful
[02:58] <TheMuso> LaserJock: I have seen combbo boxes that also allow you to enter text by hand. So you can either choose from a dropdown list, or enter something by typing ti in.
[02:59] <TheMuso> s/ti/it/
[02:59] <TheMuso> I thought that doing that for the above bug would be a quick fix at least.
[02:59] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[03:00] <LaserJock> TheMuso: interesting
[03:00] <shawarma> LaserJock: Hmm.. I'm mistaken. I was thinking of a GtkEntry.
[03:00] <TheMuso> Can't remember where I saw that though.
[03:01] <TheMuso> But since I don't delve into GUI specifics much, I could be totally wrong.
[03:21] <zul> hey
[03:23] <LaserJock> hi zul
[03:23] <zul> hery LaserJock
[05:14] (joejaxx/#ubuntu-motu) ajmitch: that is good to hear :)
[05:14] (jdong/#ubuntu-motu) hmm neither .6 or .8 work
[05:14] (jdong/#ubuntu-motu) that means I should sleep :)
[05:15] <jdong> hmm
[05:15] <jdong> ok, I'll blame my network and call it a night
[05:16] <jdong> Connecting to archive.ubuntu.com|<IP_ADDRESS>|:80...
[05:17] <joejaxx> jdong: i had that problem yesterday
[05:17] <jdong> oh look at that....
[05:18] <jdong> silly firestarter, assuming static ip's is for kids.
[05:18] <joejaxx> :P
[05:19] <crimsun> argh, this macbook saga just doesn't stop
[05:19] <jdong> is libnotify working for you guys?
[05:19] <jdong> somehow after this week's updating, libnotify popups no longer show for me.
[05:20] <crimsun> I hate notification bubbles anyhow.
[05:20] <jdong> notify-send foo bar; nothing happens....
[05:20] <jdong> crimsun: lol :)
[05:20] <joejaxx> crimsun: macbook saga?
[05:20] <joejaxx> lol
[05:20] <crimsun> fix one revision, breaks three others
[05:20] <joejaxx> :\
[05:20] <jdong> wow.
[07:03] <joejaxx> LaserJock: hello
[07:03] <LaserJock> hi joejaxx
[07:04] <joejaxx> how are you?
[07:04] <LaserJock> oh, pretty good
[07:05] <LaserJock> you?
[07:05] <joejaxx> that is good
[07:05] <joejaxx> i am ok
[07:05] <joejaxx> i am waiting for the new d-i and udebs to be published
[07:06] <joejaxx> :)
[07:07] <LaserJock> do they have good stuff for you?
[07:07] <joejaxx> who?
[07:07] <LaserJock> the new d-i and udebs
[07:08] <joejaxx> i am hoping it fixes the no cdrom detected problem
[07:10] <joejaxx> when you run the alternative discs
[08:10] <racarr>  If I'm packaging something (new desktop-effects), that's python, and loads a module at runtime
[08:11] <racarr> If beryl is installed (or after it installs Beryl)
[08:11] <racarr> it's ok not to have it as a dependency, right?
[08:11] <racarr> and is there anywhere I should put it in the control file, etc?
[08:11] <racarr> As in, it checks itself if what it needs is installed, because it needs to be in main, but Beryl probably can't
[08:12] <LaserJock> right
[08:12] <LaserJock> you could have it as Suggests: or Recommends:
[08:13] <racarr> Suggests is less authorative right?
[08:13] <racarr> and apt, etc installs recommends now?
[08:14] <Fujitsu> Suggests is probably the best idea.
[08:14] <Fujitsu> As you could very well want desktop-effects without beryl.
[08:16] <racarr> ok well I'll autotoolize package etc all of this in a bit...I hate autotools ><
[08:16] <Ademan> anyone know why jedit isn't packaged? it seems to be gpl and all that, is it just no one's done it yet?
[08:17] <LaserJock> Ademan: it's java isn't it?
[08:17] <Ademan> indeed
[08:18] <LaserJock> that's probably why
[08:18] <Ademan> pain in the ass factor of java packages?
[08:19] <Ademan> their website has a debian repository though, so i'd guess most of the work is already done...
[08:20] <racarr> an editor in java, that must take even longer to start up than emacs
[08:20] <LaserJock> Ademan: well many Java apps only work with Sun's JVM
[08:21] <LaserJock> so they might as well be non-free
[08:21] <LaserJock> racarr: I've heard it's not bad at all
[08:21] <racarr> I've never actually heard about it, I just couldn't resist the opportunity to take a shot at emacs AND java
[08:22] <Ademan> lol
[08:22] <LaserJock> it's a fairly popular editor
[08:22] <Ademan> vim uber alles
[08:22] <Ademan> anyways, isn't sun releasing the jvm under the gpl?
[08:22] <LaserJock> yes, eventually
[08:24] <racarr> JEdit features page: Copy and paste with an unlimited number of clipboards (known as "registers")
[08:24] <racarr> *cough emacs cough*
[08:24] <Ademan> meh, i guess i'll go back to hating autoconf and automake for a while
[08:24] <LaserJock> I find Java apps to be a real shame that way
[08:25] <racarr> Ademan: Me too!
[08:25] <LaserJock> there are several Chemistry apps I'd love to get into Ubuntu
[08:25] <crimsun> hey neat, beryl were source NEWd
[08:25] <LaserJock> they are GPL's
[08:25] <Ademan> wait what?
[08:25] <racarr> crimsun: source NEWd?
[08:25] <LaserJock> made it through the NEW queue
[08:25] <Fujitsu> crimsun: It actually passed!?
[08:25] <Ademan> is that like nekked?
[08:25] <crimsun> oh, that was just beryl-settings
[08:25] <racarr> ah yeah
[08:26] <racarr> everything else is still in new, heh
[08:26] <LaserJock> it actually goes through NEW twice
[08:26] <LaserJock> the first time is for the source package
[08:26] <LaserJock> then it gets build
[08:27] <LaserJock> s/d/t/
[08:27] <LaserJock> and then it goes through binary NEW
[08:29] <racarr> does binary new take as long?
[08:32] <LaserJock> no
[08:32] <racarr> mm, well I hope someone finds the time to  look at them soon so they get some good testing
[09:25] <cbx33> beta out today?
[09:27] <wereHamster|zZz> morning \sh :)
[09:37] <stgraber> morning
[09:37] <stgraber> cbx33: should be
[09:37] <\sh> moins
[09:38] <tepsipakki> cbx33, stgraber: nope, delayed for tomorrow
[09:38] <stgraber> ok :(
[10:06] <ajmitch> evening
[10:06] <RAOF> Eventide
[10:06] <\sh> hey ajmitch
[10:06] <ajmitch> RAOF: now which part of .au are you in again?
[10:06] <RAOF> Sydney.
[10:06] <ajmitch> aha
[10:06] <ajmitch> so we're only 1 hour ahead for a change
[10:07] <ajmitch> hey \sh
[10:07] <RAOF> Aaah.
[10:07] <jussi01> hi ajmitch, RAOF
[10:07] <ajmitch> jussi01: I can understand you running :)
[10:07] <jussi01> lol
[10:07] <RAOF> ...you just should have run to Hobart.
[10:07] <ajmitch> hah
[10:09] <RAOF> Hobart is awesome, and doesn't languish at 100% humidity for a week like Sydney :/
[10:11] <TheMuso> RAOF: Where in Sydney?
[10:11] <TheMuso> Yey! Another Sydneysider.
[10:11] <RAOF> Rose bay, actually.
[10:11] <ajmitch> too many sydney types around here
[10:11] <jussi01> hehe
[10:11] <RAOF> TheMuso: You?
[10:12] <jussi01> I was born in perth... but grew up in geelong...
[10:12] <TheMuso> RAOF: Croydon.
[10:12] <RAOF> Cool, although I don't actually know Sydney very well :-/
[10:13] <TheMuso> Right.
[10:13] <RAOF> I don't suppose anyone wants to review gnome-compiz-manager while I eat some dinner?
[10:13] <RAOF> Also, I don't suppose it's likely to get in now, even though there's a package sitting in NEW still.
[10:14] <RAOF> Mmm, tuna toasties!
[10:24] <racarr> Does anyone have time to look at my new desktop-effects?
[10:24] <racarr> the packaging I mean, I had to redo it
[10:27] <racarr> actually I should probably add a timer like the original one has incase beryl/compiz fails to start
[10:35] <dholbach> good morning
[10:36] <\sh> moins dholbach
[10:38] <ajmitch> hey daniel
[10:42] <dholbach> hey \sh, hey andrew
[10:52] <pochu> heya
[10:53] <gpocentek> morning
[10:54] <viviersf> sigh
[10:55] <ajmitch> hey viviersf
[10:55] <viviersf> hey, howz you
[10:55] <ajmitch> good, you
[10:55] <ajmitch> ?
[10:56] <viviersf> nah im good thx
[10:56] <viviersf> just hate it when i dont know how to do something
[10:56] <ajmitch> hehe
[12:14] <dholbach> does anybody of us look into exaile?
[12:14] <dholbach> it's CRASH-O-RAMA
[12:14] <dholbach> we get zillions of duplicates
[12:14] <dholbach> would be nice to get a new upstream version or debian fixes for it
[12:15] <Fujitsu> I've seen a whole lot of bugs about it, yeah...
[12:15] <shawarma> dholbach: I suppose I could take a look. i've hacked on it before.
[12:15] <StevenK> shawarma: Ahh, so it's your fault!
[12:15] <shawarma> I also remember it started crashing om me when we moved to python 2.5
[12:16] <dholbach> just run     bugnumbers -p exaile     to get a first impression :-)
[12:16] <Fujitsu> It has a whopping 1/200 of the universe bugs... :(
[12:17] <dholbach> i didn't know it was that popular
[12:17] <shawarma> Fujitsu: How can you tell?
[12:17] <shawarma> dholbach: bugnumbers? which package is that in?
[12:17] <dholbach> bughelper
[12:17] <Fujitsu> I can see it has 26 bugs, and we have 5041 universe bugs.
[12:17] <Fujitsu> s/uni/{un,mult}i/
[12:17] <shawarma> Only 5041? Wow.
[12:17] <Fujitsu> That's about a fifth of the Ubuntu total, which isn't too bad.
[12:19] <shawarma> I think it's interesting that a python application manages to trigger that many segmentation faults..
[12:19] <Fujitsu> Gr.
[12:19] <Fujitsu> Is anybody else noticing beta returning a lot of empty responses?
[12:20] <shawarma> lp beta?
[12:20] <shawarma> No.
[12:20] <Fujitsu> Darn.
[12:20] <Fujitsu> It's particularly frequent tonight.
[12:22] <dholbach> deluge-torrent has some python crasher bugs too
[12:23] <shawarma> Are any of you experiencing it?
[12:24] <shawarma> The exaile crashes. Not lp weirdness.
[12:25] <dholbach> python crashers should be fine to just forward upstream
[12:26] <shawarma> dholbach: I'm just thinking it might be .pyc files from the 2.4 days that might be messing things up..
[12:26] <StevenK> dholbach: -uvf has been resubscribed to #90749 asking for getting 0.5 into Feisty
[12:26] <dholbach> StevenK: alright - looking into it
[12:26] <dholbach> bug 90749
[12:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90749 in deluge-torrent "Deluge 0.5 in feisty" [Wishlist,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90749
[12:29] <shawarma> A "forward to upstream bug tracker" button in Launchpad would rock *so* hard.
[12:29] <StevenK> dholbach: I'm happy to merge deluge 0.5 if the UVF gets approved.
[12:31] <StevenK> dholbach: You just said 'thanks for the report' on bug 94580, but Package: deluge-torrent 0.5.0
[12:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 94580 in deluge-torrent "[apport]  deluge crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94580
[12:33] <dholbach> StevenK: and marked it as medium
[12:33] <dholbach> and assigned to motu
[12:33] <StevenK> dholbach: Same thing with bug 94572
[12:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 94572 in deluge-torrent "[apport]  deluge crashed with DuplicateTorrentError in sync()" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94572
[12:33] <dholbach> so it doesn't show up on the unconfirmed/undecided list
[12:33] <dholbach> and the backtrace is clear
[12:33] <dholbach> you can forward it to upstream just like that
[12:34] <Fujitsu> Is it really a great idea to assign to MOTU? That takes it off the unassigned list...
[12:34] <StevenK> But most of the deluge bugs look to be against versions that we don't have in the archive.
[12:34] <Fujitsu> And the MOTU bug list is unlikely to ever get looked at.
[12:34] <dholbach> it'd be nice if you pointed that out on the bug reports
[12:35] <StevenK> I can, but I'm pointing it out to you since you commented on them both roughly 10 minutes ago.
[12:35] <dholbach> StevenK: i'm going through 600 apport bugs atm
[12:35] <StevenK> Neat
[12:35] <dholbach> I don't intend to follow up on all of them
[12:35] <StevenK> Hrm.
[12:36] <dholbach> but I want to get clean retraces for all of them (where appropriate) - after a while retracing doesn't make sense any more
[12:36] <dholbach> it'd be a shame if people uploaded crash reports and they'd rot in LP
[12:37] <dholbach> StevenK: so I'd appreciate it if you'd leave a comment on those bugs
[12:37] <StevenK> I'm going to reject both of them, given the version.
[12:37] <dholbach> thanks a lot
[12:38] <Lutin> hey there
[12:38] <dholbach> hey Lutin
[12:38] <Lutin> hi dholbach
[12:40] <Lutin> dholbach: you assigned bug #94580 to MOTU bug it's reported against deluge 0.5.0, which doesnt seem to be in ubuntu ... am I missing something ?
[12:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 94580 in deluge-torrent "[apport]  deluge crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94580
[12:40] <StevenK> Lutin: I'm about to reject
[12:40] <dholbach> Lutin: sorry, the version number didn't occur to me to be wrong
[12:40] <Lutin> ok
[12:41] <dholbach> Lutin: I just said before: I'm doing the initial triage of crasher bugs (asking for retrace, assign to the right people, set importance)
[12:41] <dholbach> I'd really appreciate help with that
[12:41] <dholbach> I linked the motu crasher bugs on MOTU/TODO
[12:41] <Lutin> dholbach: ok
[12:41] <dholbach> so hopefully people will help out with those bugs tomorrow on Universe HUG DAY
[12:42] <dholbach> it'd be great to get some of those crashers resolved for release - maybe we can just grab a debian version or a new upstream version which fixes it
[01:26] <racarr> does anyone have time to look at the packaging at: http://people.freedesktop.org/~racarr/rc/
[01:26] <racarr> it's for the desktop-effects rewrite
[01:38] <geser> racarr: looking at it
[01:38] <Fujitsu> desktop-effects is main...
[01:38] <racarr> geser: I uploaded it to REVU incidentally
[01:38] <geser> the version should be 1.0-0ubuntu1
[01:38] <racarr> Fujitsu: Yes but I still need people to look over it
[01:38] <Fujitsu> racarr: Good point.
[01:39] <racarr> geser: Ok, I wasn't sure about that but should have looked it up
[01:39] <racarr> Fujitsu: As the above indicates, I definitely need people to look over it :p
[01:40] <racarr> geser: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4723 uploaded a fix for the ubuntu1 should show up soon
[01:40] <geser> W: desktop-effects; Executable /usr/share/desktop-effects/desktop-effects.glade with perms 0755 is not an ELF file or script.
[01:41] <geser> W: desktop-effects: binary-without-manpage desktop-effects
[01:41] <geser> E: desktop-effects: python-script-but-no-python-dep ./usr/bin/desktop-effects
[01:41] <geser> E: desktop-effects: copyright-should-refer-to-common-license-file-for-gpl
[01:41] <racarr> geser: mm I thought python-gconf depended on python
[01:42] <racarr> and python-gtk2
[01:42] <Fujitsu> I smell Python Policy non-compliance.
[01:42] <geser> apparently lintian doesn't check recurively
[01:43] <fernando> moin all
[01:43] <\sh> Can I remove wine from Ubuntu? ,-)
[01:43] <Fujitsu> \sh: Still giving you issues?
[01:43] <\sh> Fujitsu: well, this issue from yesterday, we'll investigate...
[01:44] <\sh> Fujitsu: but I can't test crashes like playing far cry or something like this, I don't have those programs and no hardware
[01:44] <geser> racarr: do you know http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ already?
[01:44] <racarr> geser: Parts
[01:44] <StevenK> racarr: The .glade shouldn't be 0755, too
[01:44] <StevenK> Like Linda siad
[01:44] <StevenK> Er, said
[01:46] <\sh> dholbach: do we have hardcore 3d ego shooter player in the bugsquad team?
[01:46] <dholbach> \sh: no idea
[01:47] <\sh> well, farcry is not on the list of apps in wine...somehow, and I can't test it because of no hw and sw...and no far cry license ... so what do I do? reject it?
[01:48] <StevenK> geser: Do you want to update bug 94263 with a proper sync request, or shall I?
[01:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 94263 in ez-ipupdate "Please merge ez-ipupdate 3.0.11b8-12 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94263
[01:48] <jwendell> can any sponsor take a look at my packages? https://launchpad.net/~wendell/+assignedbugs?search=Search&field.status=In+Progress
[01:49] <geser> StevenK: I wanted to do it later but if you have time now you can do it.
[01:49] <StevenK> geser: Aye, doing so.
[01:49] <StevenK> jwendell: I'll look at one in a sec
[01:49] <racarr> okuploaded a few of the fixes...
[01:50] <geser> racarr: you're missing a 's' in Suggests in your control file
[01:53] <StevenK> geser: Do it later, it gives Debian time to get -13 onto the mirrors
[01:55] <racarr> I'll get that uploaded in just a second, doing a patch now to use adept/kde if available
[01:57] <jekil> hello
[01:57] <Hobbsee> hiya
[02:03] <racarr> geser: Uploaded a new version with a patch (and hence a removed dependency) and the suggests fix, permissions, etc
[02:08] <StevenK> jwendell: I've munged bug 73983 to be a sync
[02:08] <Ubugtu> Bug 73983 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/73983 is private
[02:09] <StevenK> Um, bug 73893
[02:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73893 in cryptmount "Empty examples directory" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73893
[02:09] <StevenK> Thanks for showing I'm an idiot, Ubugtu.
[02:09] <pochu> geser: do u know if bug 93540 is going to be approved? :)
[02:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 93540 in liferea "UVF exception: liferea 1.2.8" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93540
[02:10] <jwendell> StevenK, but it's too late for merges, not?
[02:11] <jwendell> StevenK, i've updated maintainer fields with that debdiff too
[02:11] <StevenK> jwendell: It shouldn't be.
[02:12] <StevenK> jwendell: And? The updated maintainer field is only required if the version is -XubuntuY. Which a sync from Debian won't be.
[02:12] <jwendell> ok
[02:13] <StevenK> jwendell: As a consqeuence, I've unsubscribed ubuntu-universe-sponsors and unassigned the bug.
[02:14] <jwendell> StevenK, ok
[02:14] <StevenK> Oops.
[02:15] <geser> racarr: is revu for you also broken if you want to see the details for your package?
[02:16] <dholbach> man... the firestarter installation/upgrade/purging problems are quite a lot already
[02:16] <dholbach> could somebody look into this and see if it the maintainer scripts are fixed in debian?
[02:16] <racarr> geser: Yes
[02:17] <geser> pochu: liferea is in main and I don't know the details for UVF exceptions there
[02:17] <geser> a revu admin around?
[02:18] <pochu> this should help: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess :)
[02:18] <geser> racarr: the last package that I could get from REVU has still W: desktop-effects: executable-not-elf-or-script ./usr/share/desktop-effects/desktop-effects.glade
[02:18] <geser> E: desktop-effects: copyright-should-refer-to-common-license-file-for-gpl
[02:19] <racarr> geser: Err...I thought I fixed that just a second
[02:19] <racarr> and what is meant by the second warning?
[02:21] <elkbuntu> im guessing you did it the wrong way?
[02:21] <geser> debian/copyright should point to the full text of the GPL which can be found in  /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL
[02:21] <stgraber> racarr: it means that you should refer to /usr/share/common-licences/ in your copyright file
[02:21] <stgraber> geser: you're too fast for me ...
[02:21] <ivoks> there is a template for copyright file
[02:22] <elkbuntu> the error is quite self-explanatory really
[02:22] <jwendell> StevenK, who will take care of that bug?
[02:22] <ivoks> if program is GPL, then you should just 'link' it on existing GPL on Ubuntu
[02:22] <ivoks> like this;
[02:22] <ivoks> The software is released under GNU GPLv2. For more info
[02:22] <ivoks> see /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL
[02:22] <racarr> elkbuntu: It seems like there are several ways to interpret it :/
[02:23] <ivoks> geser: for example, take a look at /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/copyright
[02:23] <elkbuntu> i only interpret it one way.. how were you interpreting it?
[02:23] <racarr> I wasn't sure how to interpret it, I guessed it was something like that but it wasn't really unambiguous, and I wasn't usre if there was something very specific I had to do
[02:24] <racarr> ok fixed copyright...
[02:25] <racarr> will look at why it still thinks the glade is an executable now (I was sure I fixed that?)
[02:25] <elkbuntu> i would think there'd be a nice big section explaining licencing dos and donts in the debian packaging guide thingie.. but i've not read it myself so i could be wrong
[02:25] <StevenK> elkbuntu: There is
[02:25] <StevenK> elkbuntu: So nyah
[02:26] <elkbuntu> StevenK, so nyah.. i (kinda) knew without even reading it... im just *that* good
[02:26] <StevenK> elkbuntu: Uh huh. :-)
[02:26] <geser> racarr: if you lintian -i on the generated deb you get an explanation to each E: and W:
[02:26] <StevenK> Because it's rude to disagree...
[02:26] <elkbuntu> StevenK, ha!
[02:26] <racarr> Oops!
[02:26] <StevenK> elkbuntu: :-)
[02:26] <racarr> I did 655 instead of 644 -_-
[02:27] <racarr> geser: Ok
[02:27] <StevenK> racarr: Ha! That'd do it
[02:27] <racarr> StevenK: 4 for read...plus 0 for write and execute...equals 5!
[02:28] <racarr> ok uploaded fixes
[02:28] <StevenK> racarr: Your math needs a little work. :-)
[02:29] <racarr> it was more likely my typing, but whatever
[02:30] <StevenK> Blame your fingers, sure.
[02:32] <racarr> geser: Uploaded fixes for all of those.....
[02:36] <geser> racarr: have to wait for someone who can fix revu
[02:36] <racarr> ok I can throw them on my fdo apge in the meantime
[02:38] <racarr> geser: http://people.freedesktop.org/~racarr/rc/
[02:38] <racarr> err, I left the old ubuntu4 ones up there as well, but just ignore them , heh
[02:49] <geser> racarr: DEB_INSTALL_DOCS_beryl-settings-bindings := README NEWS in debian/rules
[02:50] <racarr> I've been told several times over the past few days
[02:50] <racarr> that cdbs takes care of that now
[02:50] <racarr> and it's useless
[02:50] <racarr> and I ended up removing it from all the beryl packages
[02:50] <racarr> are you sure?
[02:50] <geser> you have it in your debian/rules for d-e
[02:50] <geser> so either remove it or fix the package name in it
[02:51] <geser> and the install/beryl-{k,}ubuntu:: targets are useless there too
[02:55] <geser> and linda/lintian still report W: desktop-effects; Executable /usr/share/desktop-effects/desktop-effects.glade with perms 0755 is not an ELF file or script.
[02:58] <racarr> I don't get that anymore...
[03:10] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:10] <geser> Hi bddebian
[03:11] <bddebian> Hi geser
[03:50] <bigon> hi, is revu broken?
[03:51] <geser> seems so
[04:11] <Toadstool> g'morning!
[04:11] <bddebian> Heya Toadstool
[04:11] <Toadstool> hi bddebian
[04:31] <slomo> siretart: are you sure you run seahorse 0.9.7? i know of this bug only since seahorse 0.9.10 or something and it's "fixed" in experimental by a conflict now
[04:32] <siretart> slomo: that's not an option here: we are running a sunray server, with some users running kde and some gnome
[04:32] <siretart> slomo: please remove the conflicts, I'd have to recompile the seahorse package to remove the conflict
[04:37] <slomo> siretart: it<#
[04:37] <slomo> siretart: it's an upstream conflict... they check in configure if gpg2 is installed and if it is abort :/
[04:37] <slomo> no idea how this can be fixed correctly
[04:37] <siretart> slomo: don't start either gnupg-agent nor seahorse via Xsession
[04:37] <siretart> slomo: and make them only warn and not panic if the see each other
[04:37] <siretart> slomo: seahorse should imho better be started via gnome-session than Xsession.d
[04:37] <slomo> siretart: i'll talk with seahorse upstream later
[05:53] <bersace> siretart: seems my patch has broken revu
[05:53] <bersace> you should replace in scripts/Comments.py:170 (currentlevel == 'contributor') ? row['isadvocating']  : "" by row['isadvocating']
[05:55] <siretart> bersace: please give me a link to demonstrate the bug
[05:56] <bersace> siretart: you have to be a contributor
[05:56] <bersace> or dunno
[05:56] <siretart> oh
[05:56] <bersace> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3184
[05:56] <bersace> go to flood
[05:56] <bersace> if you want me to post you the python error
[05:58] <MrStein> Hi! I wonder, why does Feisty ship with discover v1.x when debian swiched to v2 ages ago (in Sarge) ?
[06:00] <jussi01> Hi motu's, could someone tell me how to enable the universe repo in pbuilder??
[06:02] <mr_pouit> jussi01: iirc, you have to uncomment the line starting with COMPONENTS
[06:02] <Laser_away> MrStein: I think we have v2
[06:02] <mr_pouit> COMPONENTS="main restricted universe multiverse" for example
[06:02] <jussi01> mr_pouit, in which file...
[06:03] <mr_pouit> jussi01: /etc/pbuilderrc or ~/.pbuilderrc
[06:03] <MrStein> Laser_away: I _know_ it is v1
[06:03] <Laser_away> MrStein: it's been v2 the whole time in Ubuntu, since warty
[06:03] <MrStein> Laser_away: The Herd 5 desktop i386 CD uses v1.7.19ubuntu1
[06:04] <Laser_away> MrStein: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/discover
[06:04] <Laser_away> MrStein: umm, unless we are talking about different packages that's not the case
[06:04] <jussi01> mr_pouit, thank you very much
[06:04] <mr_pouit> np ;)
[06:06] <MrStein> Laser_away: dpkg-query -S `which discover`    prints : discover1: /sbin/discover
[06:08] <Laser_away> MrStein: did you dist-ugprade or something?
[06:08] <MrStein> Laser_away: nothing
[06:08] <MrStein> boot, that is
[06:10] <Laser_away> MrStein: on my feisty I get "discover: /sbin/discover"
[06:10] <MrStein> I got it from the official site
[06:10] <Laser_away> got what?
[06:10] <MrStein> does "discover display" work or report an error for you ?
[06:11] <MrStein> Laser_away: The CD I am talking about all the time ;-)
[06:11] <Laser_away> MrStein: it gives me a Buss error
[06:11] <Laser_away> *Bus
[06:12] <MrStein> Jezus ....
[06:12] <Laser_away> MrStein: but Ubuntu has never had discover v1 as far as I can tell
[06:12] <Laser_away> so I have no idea how you could have gotten it
[06:12] <gnomefreak> !discover1
[06:12] <ubotu> discover1: hardware identification system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.7.18ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 65 kB, installed size 212 kB
[06:13] <gnomefreak> its in feisty also "dicover" is in uni  its 2.1.1
[06:14] <MrStein> Laser_away: I got it here : http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/herd5#head-de3d3f8b48e23a9bdc7294cc93da21f483949673
[06:15] <MrStein> to be precise , this is it : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd-5/feisty-desktop-i386.iso
[06:15] <Laser_away> gnomefreak: ahhh
[06:15] <Laser_away> MrStein: ok, now we figured it out
[06:16] <MrStein> great :-9
[06:16] <MrStein> :-)
[06:16] <tepsipakki> our beloved xorg relies on discover1
[06:16] <Laser_away> MrStein: we have both v1 and v2
[06:16] <MrStein> sure ? running xorg on itself actually works better than with the created xorg.conf ;-)
[06:17] <tepsipakki> the configuration
[06:17] <tepsipakki> you can remove it after installation
[06:17] <tepsipakki> discover1, that is
[06:20] <MrStein> can anyone tel me where do I find xserver-xorg.postinst.in from the feisty (on the web preferably ) ?
[06:22] <tepsipakki> that's in the source-package, but the real generated file is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg.postinst
[06:23] <MrStein> Hmm, as I see it, the xorg postinst can work with both discover v1 and v2. I doubt on part of xorg package suports v2 and other parts do not. What do you think ?
[06:23] <MrStein> on=one
[06:23] <tepsipakki> we are not going to change that for feisty
[06:23] <tepsipakki> instead the goal is to get rid of it completely for feisty+1
[06:24] <MrStein> OK, I guess 2007 is not the year when I start to use Ubuntu
[06:25] <gnomefreak> feisty+1 == oct
[06:25] <tepsipakki> MrStein: how so?
[06:25] <gnomefreak> or install ubuntu :)
[06:26] <tepsipakki> MrStein: oh you filed a bug recently?
[06:27] <gnomefreak> tepsipakki: he did and you commented on it ;)
[06:28] <tepsipakki> so many bugs, so little time ;)
[06:28] <gnomefreak> win 3
[06:28] <gnomefreak> bug 90175
[06:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90175 in xorg "vesa driver used instead of radeon for R300" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90175
[06:29] <gnomefreak> i find that summary a bit misleading though
[06:30] <tepsipakki> oh that one
[06:30] <gnomefreak> iirc vera is used by default on livecd because it gives X to everyone more or less
[06:30] <tepsipakki> there is another one where discover lists multiple cards
[06:30] <tepsipakki> vesa is used if discover doesn't find anything better
[06:30] <gnomefreak> that was the one he gave me when i was trying to explain it to him
[06:31] <tepsipakki> we need to glue the postinst anyway, and then throw it all away when feisty+1 opens :)
[06:31] <tepsipakki> nope, it takes time
[06:33] <MrStein> tepsipakki: a lot of them. I think one of them is even fixed (or about to be fixed). I think.
[06:35] <gnomefreak> tepsipakki: that woukd have to be done after merge. i know feisty X merge was the latest ive ever seen it
[06:35] <MrStein> hmm, I reported 24 bugs (not all recently). Not one is fixed ... :-(
[06:35] <gnomefreak> i would think after merge atleast
[06:56] <jussi01> hi motu's, can someone tell me why php4-dev isnt in the repos anymore, and what replaces it, if anything? thanks :)
[06:58] <phanatic> jussi01: php4 support was dropped, i think you should use php5 instead
[06:59] <jussi01> phanatic, thanks
[07:42] <dholbach> can we throw exaile out of the archive?
[07:43] <dholbach> LaserJock: shovel? what for? :)
[07:44] <dholbach> spe too
[07:44] <\sh> dholbach: there is a bug report about ekg (libgadu3 == main), that we should recompile it without openssl ... do I need an Freeze Exception Report for it, or can I just do the upload, because it's not a new feature (libgadu doesn't use ssl at all)
[07:45] <dholbach> i'm sure there was a reason for doing it whatever way it is now
[07:45] <dholbach> i'd suggest to consult with the people who uploaded it before
[07:45] <phanatic> dholbach: why do you want to throw exaile out?
[07:45] <dholbach> phanatic: did you take a look at its bugs?
[07:46] <dholbach> it's crash-o-rama
[07:46] <dholbach> and the bugs are virtually untouched
[07:46] <phanatic> dholbach: oops, in that case i have to agree with you
[07:46] <soc> I think we need a new channel besides main, restriced, universe, multiverse: buggyverse!
[07:46] <bddebian> Fix it! :-)
[07:46] <bddebian> soc: hehe
[07:46] <\sh> buggyverse? well, we are too less people to fix everything ;)
[07:46] <bddebian> Can we add antiquatedverse too ?
[07:47] <LaserJock> dholbach: A shovel to bury them with
[07:47] <dholbach> tomorrow is Universe HUG DAY
[07:47] <soc> but speaking for exaile: it has never chrashed once at me
[07:47] <dholbach> let's get some good upstream fixes in
[07:47] <soc> but I use the recent version from the autohrs homepgae
[07:47] <LaserJock> dholbach: we need to really work over ajmitch's list
[07:47] <dholbach> for example
[07:47] <bddebian> LaserJock: The RC bugs?
[07:47] <LaserJock> bddebian: yes
[07:47] <soc> is ajmitch's list public?
[07:47] <\sh> dholbach: well it's a sync from debian, as I read from launchpad
[07:47] <dholbach> there are lots of dups
[07:47] <LaserJock> soc: yes
[07:48] <soc> where can I see it
[07:48] <soc> where are the bugs for exaile, in launchpad or in exaile's trac?
[07:48] <LaserJock> soc: http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/missing-fixes-rc.html
[07:50] <crimsun> bah
[07:50] <bddebian> Hmm, something tells me that wxwindows2.4 won't be fixed? :-)
[07:50] <crimsun> I'm so tired of these alsa bugs that I just went out and bought a new laptop with one of these broken audio codecs just to fix it.
[07:50] <LaserJock> what kind of laptop?
[07:50] <\sh> crimsun: you are crazy ;)
[07:50] <crimsun> HP
[07:51] <jussi01> crimsun you have too much money
[07:51] <LaserJock> heh, as much as he works I seriously doubt it
[07:51] <crimsun> jussi01: if by "too much" you mean "very little". Professors don't make tons of money like software engineers do.
[07:52] <\sh> oh IT guys don't earn much in .de ;)
[07:52] <LaserJock> crimsun: you're at NC State?
[07:53] <crimsun> NC A&T
[07:53] <crimsun> an HBCU, the other land-grand institution
[07:53] <crimsun> -grant, even
[07:53] <LaserJock> ah
[07:53] <LaserJock> heh
[07:54] <crimsun> stupid Vista asking me all sorts of questions
[07:54] <LaserJock> = - money
[07:54] <bddebian> pfft
[07:54] <\sh> crimsun: throw it away ;)
[07:54] <jussi01> hehe LaserJock beat me to it
[07:54] <jussi01> lol
[07:55] <LaserJock> that's it
[07:55] <bddebian> house + 2 cars + 3 kids + wife ++ == -$
[07:55] <LaserJock> we're all broke!
[07:55] <bddebian> crimsun: Two wives?
[07:55] <bddebian> eeks
[07:55] <LaserJock> bddebian: I have 2 also if you count Ubuntu ;-)
[07:55] <crimsun> bddebian: IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad and HP Pavilion
[07:55] <\sh> and works as sysadmin...the world is really hard
[07:56] <bddebian> LaserJock: :_)
[07:56] <LaserJock> \sh: but you're doing better
[07:56] <\sh> yepp..better then last year ;)
[07:56] <bddebian> crimsun: D00d, laptops are no where NEAR as expensive as wives! ;-)
[07:56] <LaserJock> I remember when we had the "Save \sh" drive
[07:56] <crimsun> bddebian: uh, tell that to git-core, mercurial, patch, interdiff, wget, mutt, and scp
[07:56] <\sh> LaserJock: I still lack from this time
[07:57] <bddebian> LaserJock: :-)
[07:57] <dholbach> lighttpd installation problems too
[07:57] <bddebian> crimsun: pfftt.  Oh hey, speaking of git-core. If you're playing with that, please fix it for GNU/Hurd too will ya? ;-P
[07:57] <jussi01> crimsun, laptops take your time, and a little money... wives take your time and all of your money..:D
[07:57] <bddebian> heh
[07:58] <crimsun> jussi01: no, you don't understand. My time _is_ my money. You'll begin to understand when you see how many resources I pour into Ubuntu.
[07:58] <bddebian> Is ajmitch's list static or updated?
[07:59] <vil> imbrandon, ping
[08:01] <LaserJock> bddebian: updated
[08:01] <bddebian> Hmm, strange
[08:01] <LaserJock> crimsun: exactly
[08:06] <\sh> I hate umts
[08:09] <dholbach> jack-audio-connection-kit too
[08:14] <\sh> where do I find this script for changing the maintainer field ?
[08:18] <vil> dholbach, can I do anything to get eclipse uploaded?
[08:18] <dholbach> vil: I gave my ok - one other member will have to ACK the request
[08:18] <vil> I mean some lobbying ;)
[08:19] <dholbach> anything that convinces them and is worth pointing out... :)
[08:23] <crimsun> vil: bug # ?
[08:23] <ajmitch> morning
[08:23] <crimsun> dholbach: what's the situation with j-a-c-k?
[08:23] <dholbach> crimsun: I just saw a bunch of crashers there
[08:24] <crimsun> ah
[08:24] <crimsun> probably similar in number to audacity
[08:25] <crimsun> oh blah, this thing has broadcom wifi :/
[08:25] <vil> crimsun, bug #93145:
[08:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 93145 in eclipse "[UVFe]  update Eclipse to upstream 3.2.2" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/93145
[08:26] <crimsun> vil: confirmed
[08:28] <ajmitch> bddebian: why are you surprised that the list is updated? because there are so many bugs remaining?
[08:29] <bddebian> ajmitch: No, I just thought I had done apcalc :-(
[08:29] <vil> crimsun, cool, thx
[08:29] <ajmitch> bddebian: it only works on source versions in the archive
[08:30] <ajmitch> apcalc doesn't appear to have been touched
[08:33] <bddebian> I know it's weird.  Maybe my old age is just getting to me :'-(
[08:35] <bddebian> ajmitch: And mailcrypt looks suspicious
[08:35] <ajmitch> there are some funny ones on the list
[08:36] <ajmitch> due to the version stuff used in debian
[08:36] <ajmitch> note the case (cvs vs CVS)
[08:36] <bddebian> Gah, frick, I missed that :-)
[08:37] <ajmitch> ignore ones like cacti
[08:37] <ajmitch> where the bug was reported in one package & fixed in another
[08:37] <ajmitch> look over all the rest, request UVF exceptions where needed :)
[08:40] <bddebian> I'll try.  I'm freakin' swamped at work atm :'-(
[08:40] <ajmitch> heh
[08:40] <bddebian> Freakin' writing .NET crap
[08:40] <ajmitch> so am I :)
[08:40] <ajmitch> writing php crap
[09:30] <pirast> dholbach, hi, running a bot? ;-)
[09:30] <dholbach> not really :-)
[09:30] <dholbach> pirast: but soon I'll be through the old apport bugs
[09:30] <dholbach> and from that time on, I'm sure we'll better cope with those bugs coming in
[09:31] <dholbach> and I'm sure we'll fix a bunch of them in tomorrow's Universe HUG DAY
[09:31] <pirast> uh oh :)
[09:32] <pirast> lets see :)
[09:35] <ajmitch> hm
[09:35] <ajmitch> seems that people really aren't reading the note at the top of MOTU/Packages/Candidates
[09:35] <LaserJock> that's why I wanted to get through the current list
[09:35] <LaserJock> and delete everything
[09:36] <ajmitch> LaserJock: get bddebian onto it!
[09:37] <DktrKranz> shouldn't be a better choice to make a subpage of such a big list? so that note will be marked properly
[09:37] <bddebian> :'-(
[09:37] <LaserJock> hmm
[09:37] <DktrKranz> wipe it could be a little confusing
[09:38] <LaserJock> well, it should be wiped when we're done
[09:38] <LaserJock> and we should just have a link to LP
[09:38] <LaserJock> and instructions for what to add
[09:40] <DktrKranz> anyway, users usually posted in that list their requests, so they have do rehab to a new design
[09:41] <LaserJock> right
[09:42] <DktrKranz> so, i think you have to look at both sides :(
[09:42] <DktrKranz> wasn't REVU process revisited too?
[09:43] <LaserJock> we're working on it
[09:43] <LaserJock> I don't think REVU will really go away for a while
[09:45] <DktrKranz> i read something about using bzr
[09:45] <dholbach> have a nice evening - see you tomorrow
[09:45] <DktrKranz> see you daniel
[09:45] <LaserJock> cya dholbach
[09:45] <dholbach> see you! :-)
[09:45] <LaserJock> DktrKranz: yes, that's right
[09:45] <LaserJock> DktrKranz: dholbach came up with a crazy cool scheme to use LP
[09:46] <DktrKranz> so, suppose I want to package a new software
[09:46] <DktrKranz> should I use repos or push it into REVU?
[09:46] <dholbach> DktrKranz: I'm sure everybody in here can help you with that - if you have any more questions - I'll be around tomorrow again
[09:46] <dholbach> so just prod me if you need anything
[09:46] <DktrKranz> sure :)
[09:46] <dholbach> rock on
[09:46] <DktrKranz> thanks
[09:47] <LaserJock> DktrKranz: well, you could either use LP or REVU
[09:47] <LaserJock> DktrKranz: right now it's up to the contributor
[09:47] <DktrKranz> ok
[09:47] <LaserJock> we haven't really finalized how we want to use LP
[09:47] <LaserJock> it's not exactly trivial
[09:47] <DktrKranz> so, I have a brand new software already in a brz repo
[09:48] <DktrKranz> i pushed it into REVU a couple of week ago
[09:48] <DktrKranz> should I consider to add a branch too?
[09:48] <LaserJock> hmm, well you don't need to
[09:48] <LaserJock> but if you want to play around with it fine
[09:49] <DktrKranz> mh, maybe next release
[09:49] <DktrKranz> i think it would be redundant
[09:50] <DktrKranz> anyway, REVU is very easy to play with
[09:51] <DktrKranz> so I think you will have an hard fight to migrate to a bzr solution
[09:54] <LaserJock> DktrKranz: yeah, but it has it's weak points too
[09:55] <DktrKranz> of course
[09:56] <DktrKranz> we'll stay tuned to hear some cool announcements about it :)
[09:57] <Fujitsu> Morning everyone.
[09:59] <bddebian> Heya Fujitsu
[10:00] <Fujitsu> Hi bddebia.
[10:00] <Fujitsu> *bddebian
[10:13] <bddebian> Later gang
[10:25] <keescook> pirast: let me know if you are able to create a reproducer with "sipsak"...
[10:26] <pirast> keescook, i'll try but i am no expert
[10:26] <pirast> as you might have seen
[10:26] <keescook> dang.  neither am I.  :)
[10:26] <pirast> lol, i am such a fool
[10:26] <keescook> pirast: wait, why?
[10:27] <pirast> keescook, because of "finding" the fixing patch
[10:27] <pirast> which is the old one
[10:27] <keescook> hehe
[10:27] <pirast> hehe :P
[10:27] <keescook> I did the same thing initially; I'd been looking all morning for the right one.  geh.  I wish the asterisk folks would play nicer for security updates.  :)
[10:28] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[10:28] <keescook> hiya TheMuso
[10:28] <pirast> keescook, look at http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=9203  :P ( it really worked for phpmyadmin, they publish diffs now, even against older versions )
[10:29] <pirast> that's why i want to try to keep the feisty version safe from now on
[10:29] <pirast> but i have some problems with the cdbs patchsys currently
[10:29] <keescook> pirast: ah! very nice.  good bug.  :)
[10:30] <ajmitch> hey keescook
[10:30] <pirast> lol. kees.
[10:30] <keescook> hiya ajmitch!
[10:30] <pirast> have a look at the latest comment there: "there were no *security* fixes in 1.2.17"
[10:30] <keescook> pirast: "there were no *security* fixes in 1.2.17. Please try to abstain from reopening closed bugs -> if you have additional questions or comments, it is always better t o communicate realtime with a bug-marshall on #asterisk-bugs channel (freenode)"
[10:30] <pirast> hahahahaha
[10:30] <keescook> yeah!
[10:30] <pirast> lol
[10:30] <pirast> OMFG
[10:30] <keescook> so, ignore that dude's comments from now on.  :P
[10:31] <crimsun> what? there are no bugs, only features.
[10:31] <ajmitch> that looks pleasant
[10:31] <ajmitch> crimsun: of course. and ponies
[10:31] <LaserJock> lots and lots of ponies
[10:32] <crimsun> this laptop had better be playing pony music by tonight.
[10:32] <pirast> keescook, lol now i dont understand anything.. why does the announcment say "this release incorporates a fix for the SIP DoS vulnerability recently discovered by INRIA Lorraine"
[10:32] <pirast> and the guy say "there we no security fixes"?
[10:32] <keescook> pirast: perhaps point out to them that a remote DoS is considered "security" by many people.  :)
[10:32] <ajmitch> crimsun: how is the new laptop? ready to be thrown out the window?
[10:32] <pirast> keescook, hehehe, he is shirty enough i think
[10:32] <pirast> keescook, but hey, i cant loose any karma :P
[10:33] <crimsun> ajmitch: it's craptastic. Has lost clusters already, which caused 20070322.2 alt's ntfsresize to bail. Fixed those, installing now.
[10:33] <ajmitch> crimsun: how disturbing
[10:33] <ajmitch> it probably shipped with a half-broken FS from the factory
[10:33] <keescook> pirast: heh
[10:36] <pirast> keescook, <Mercestes> pirast:  shh... we dont' talk about security issues. lol :)
[10:36] <keescook> pirast: heh.  from #asterisk?
[10:36] <pirast> keescook, yeah :D
[10:37] <keescook> Funny, I asked for the commit earlier in the channel.  no one answered, of course.  :)
 yes, it's fixed.  K, thanks, bye.
[10:37] <pirast>  Shhhh.
[10:37] <keescook> hehe
[10:37] <ajmitch> isn't it comforting to know that lots of people rely on asterisk?
[10:39] <Burgwork> ajmitch: ugh, indeed
[10:39] <pirast> ajmitch, keescook, if they would enable distributors to have good secure packages, they would not sell there businnes edition, i guess
[10:39] <lionel> ajmitch: it is conforting in the fact that my asterisk box is not opened on the world
[10:39] <keescook> pirast: owch!
[10:40] <Burgwork> just when I was about to fill out a MIR for asterisk as well
[10:40] <Burgwork> ...
[10:40] <lionel> most IPBX "business edition" baed on asterisk doest not follow security update...
[10:40] <Burgwork> indeed
[10:41] <Burgwork> my phone system being owned freaks me out just a smidge
[10:41] <pirast> lol
[10:41] <pirast> i am off now, night
[10:41] <ajmitch> heh
[10:41] <lionel> night pirast !
[10:41] <ajmitch> *excitement*
[10:42] <lionel> :)
[10:42] <ajmitch> see you later :)
[10:42] <lionel> good day !
[10:42] <crimsun> Burgwork: why? It's not like people actually talk on phones.
[10:42] <Burgwork> crimsun: because my boss would raise my already near astronomic stress levels by harping on me to fix it
[10:47] <tonyyarusso> Burgwork: Have your brother fly _really_ close to your boss' window a few times - that'll keep him distracted
[10:48] <Burgwork> heh
[11:04] <DktrKranz> any main sponsor here?
[11:09] <crimsun> sure, but keep in mind that main is frozen for Beta.
[11:09] <DktrKranz> yeah
[11:10] <DktrKranz> anyway, i would like to receive your feedback about a merge request
[11:10] <DktrKranz> from bug #94916
[11:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 94916 in multipath-tools "Please merge multipath-tools 0.4.7-2 from Debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94916
[11:11] <DktrKranz> this is one of my firstr try with main, so i would like to hear some suggestions from some core-dev
[11:14] <crimsun> DktrKranz: the maintainer script changes are missing
[11:15] <crimsun> DktrKranz: also, where is the Ubuntu-specific udev rule/change?
[11:16] <DktrKranz> merged in debian version
[11:16] <crimsun> then note it as such in the changelog
[11:17] <DktrKranz> should i mention it in debian/changelog or somewhere in bug description?
[11:17] <crimsun> in the latest Ubuntu changelog entry
[11:17] <DktrKranz> ok
[11:17] <DktrKranz> i'm going to do it
[11:18] <DktrKranz> any other suggestions?
[11:18] <crimsun> I can more thoroughly review it after work
[11:19] <DktrKranz> thanks :)


[06:04] <mborzecki> morning
[06:07] <mardy> hi mborzecki
[07:06] <pstolowski> morning
[07:09] <mardy> hi pstolowski
[07:12] <mborzecki> heya
[07:12] <mborzecki> i'm investigating a curious case of seccomp blocking copy_file_range
[07:12] <mborzecki> copy_file_range takes 6 args, but somehow amtching agains 0 in the last arg, seems to fail?
[07:37] <jamesh> mborzecki: it's weird, I can duplicate it in a test program using the steam runtime's python but not core20's
[07:38] <jamesh> in both cases "snap run --strace" shows the same syscall arguments
[07:44] <mborzecki> jamesh: left some info i collected while investigating this: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/cannot-write-in-home-directory/24436/24 i'm open to ideas
[07:44] <mborzecki> actually, i wonder why docker-support uses `copy_file_range` without any arguments
[07:44] <mborzecki> perhaps the match didn't work back then too?
[07:44] <jamesh> mborzecki: I ran into this with steam
[07:45] <mborzecki> jamesh: btw. does it break steam? can you patch the profile manually and drop the args match?
[07:46] <jamesh> mborzecki: manually adding copy_file_range (no args at all) to the seccomp source works
[07:47] <mborzecki> let's see if i can get that libseccomp bpf simulator to work
[07:49] <mborzecki> hahah
[07:49] <mborzecki> `./scmp_bpf_sim -f /var/lib/snapd/seccomp/bpf/snap.recollectr.recollectr.bin -s 326 -0 29 -1 123 -2 39 -3 0 -4 10836 -5 0` -> ALLOW
[07:49] <mborzecki> `./scmp_bpf_sim -f /var/lib/snapd/seccomp/bpf/snap.recollectr.recollectr.bin -s 326 -0 29 -1 123 -2 39 -3 0 -4 10836 -5 1` -> ERRNO(1)
[07:50] <mborzecki> heh, yet somehow it fails on a live system
[07:58] <jamesh> mborzecki: I've put down what I know from the Steam snap here: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/cannot-write-in-home-directory/24436/25?u=jamesh
[07:59] <mborzecki> jamesh: thank you!
[08:00] <mup> PR snapcraft#3737 closed: Main merge <Created by sergiusens> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3737>
[08:05] <mborzecki> is there a way to run something with a seccomp profile? like aa-exec or runcon?
[08:42] <jamesh> mborzecki: I think I know what's going on.
[08:43] <mborzecki> jamesh: please share 🙂
[08:43] <jamesh> mborzecki: the 6th syscall argument is 32-bit, so there's probably garbage in the high 32-bits of the register
[08:43] <jamesh> just posted a reply on the forum
[08:44] <jamesh> I could make my test program work with the steam runtime Python by setting the last argument to ulong instead of uint
[08:44] <jamesh> which basically just ensures it zeroes out the high bits of the register
[08:46] <mborzecki> jamesh: ohh, that's intersting, maybe the seccomp_data is not zeroed in the kernel then?
[08:47] <jamesh> mborzecki: presumably it gets invoked before it knows how the registers are being used
[08:47] <mborzecki> then copy_file_range uses int as the last field, the args in seccomp_data are 8 byte, if that int flag is copied any garbage would remain?
[08:47] <jamesh> yes
[08:48] <mborzecki> jamesh: i think this is where it gets populated https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v5.17.5/source/kernel/seccomp.c#L239
[08:49] <mborzecki> the structure that's passed there is on the caller's stack and isn't cleared
[08:50] <jamesh> mborzecki: https://stackoverflow.com/a/2538212/721283 seems to indicate the syscall arguments are passed as 6 64-bit registers
[08:51] <jamesh> so I don't think the high bits are being cleared
[08:52] <mborzecki> jamesh: yeah, man syscall also states that arg1+ are passed in`x86-64        rdi   rsi   rdx   r10   r8    r9` which are all 64bit wide
[08:54] <mup> PR snapd#11759 opened: interfaces: Allow locking in block-devices <Created by stgraber> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11759>
[08:55] <jamesh> mborzecki: there is a seccomp.CompareMaskedEqual operation that could handle this, but would need some extensions to the snap-seccomp language
[08:56] <jamesh> the "|" operator passes the same value twice to CompareMaskedEqual, while here we'd want 0xffffffff and 0
[08:57] <jamesh> this sounds like an actual explanation for what's going on
[09:01] <jamesh> mborzecki: actually, maybe just adding it to syscallsWithNegArgsMaskHi32 will do the trick (even though we're not dealing with negative values here)
[09:50] <jamesh> mborzecki: success by changing syscallsWithNegArgsMaskHi32: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/cannot-write-in-home-directory/24436/27?u=jamesh
[09:54] <mborzecki> jamesh: fyi, if you want to try it without snaps: https://github.com/seccomp/libseccomp/pull/382
[09:54] <mup> PR seccomp/libseccomp#382: tools: add a tool to run command with a given BPF profile <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/seccomp/libseccomp/pull/382>
[09:55] <jamesh> mborzecki: I just modified snap-seccomp and rebuilt my snap's BPF
[10:00] <mborzecki> jamesh: do you want to open a PR to snap-seccomp?
[10:00] <jamesh> mborzecki: do you think the simple syscallsWithNegArgsMaskHi32 based fix is appropriate, given we're not dealing with signed values?
[10:01] <jamesh> I can open the PR.
[10:02] <mborzecki> jamesh: i'd rather have something more explicit, it's a single argument, and that map is more like a catch all
[10:02] <mborzecki> jamesh: but we can flesh out the details in the PR, i guess pedronis will have some input too
[10:02] <jamesh> mborzecki: they should probably all be per-argument
[10:03] <mborzecki> yeah, maybe something like `i32(value)`
[10:04] <mborzecki> so `copy_file_range - - - - - i32(value)` ? too bad there's no way of knowing what are the sizes of respective arguments without going though manpages
[10:06] <mborzecki> jamesh: our use of `|` is a bit weird
[10:07] <jamesh> mborzecki: we must have seen similar issues with these other syscalls and just assumed it was related to sign extension.
[10:22] <jamesh> PR filed at https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11760
[10:22] <mup> PR #11760: cmd/snap-seccomp: only compare the bottom 32-bits of the flags arg of copy_file_range <Created by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11760>
[10:25] <mborzecki> jamesh: thanks, in the meantime i came up with this strawman: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/N9MDCBRJWj/
[10:25] <mup> PR snapd#9585 closed: interfaces/builtin: Add device-mapper and LVM interfaces <Needs Samuele review> <:birthday:> <Needs security review> <Created by fnordahl> <Closed by fnordahl> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/9585>
[10:25] <mup> PR snapd#11760 opened: cmd/snap-seccomp: only compare the bottom 32-bits of the flags arg of copy_file_range <Created by jhenstridge> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11760>
[10:27] <jamesh> mborzecki: I wonder if there are any 16-bit arguments we compare against? :-)
[10:27] <mborzecki> jamesh: oh, please no 🙂
[12:00] <mup> PR snapd#11755 closed: tests/main/user-session-env: remove openSUSE-specific tweaks <Simple 😃> <Created by mardy> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11755>
[12:41] <mup> PR snapd#11761 opened: image/preseed: umount the base snap last after writable paths <Preseeding 🍞> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11761>
[13:26] <eoli3n> Hi
[13:26] <eoli3n> would you like to check that one please ? https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/cannot-open-path-of-the-current-working-directory-permission-denied-bis/28704
[13:28] <eoli3n> we mount home with NFS4 on /home
[13:29] <eoli3n> then snap packages doesn't work
[13:30] <eoli3n> mborzecki ogra
[13:58] <mborzecki> eoli3n: probably this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1662552
[13:58] <mup> Bug #1662552: snaps don't work with NFS home <snapd:Fix Released by zyga> <snapd (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1662552>
[14:00] <eoli3n> fixed ?
[17:38] <mardy> eoli3n: hi, can you please paste the output of the "mount" command?
[17:47] <eoli3n> mardy, at home right now, but I'll do it at work tommorow (france)


[09:52] <Kano> hi, why is the intrepid kernel for 686 only? a k6-2 would be working too when you use i586 or i586mmx
[14:12] <sven-tek> Hello kernel developers. Is there a chance to enable CONFIG_HID_FF (Force Feedback support) and drivers? Until now it is not set, i guess its not enabled because its in experimental state. But from my point of view it should be safe enough. I posted a bug report for this feature request recently, but there was no feedback at all.
[19:04] <mkrufky> Is Steve Langasek in here?
[19:06] <rtg> mkrufky: he is in London right now, probably off drinking beer by now.
[19:07] <mkrufky> thanks, rtg
[19:07] <mkrufky> i found him in #ubuntu-devel
[21:57] <mkrufky> what is the policy for driver submission for the intrepid kernel?
[21:57] <mkrufky> i have 1 small patch against xc5000 (patch will be in 2.6.27 and it applies cleanly against intrepid 2.6.26)
[21:58] <mkrufky> and i have to add the sms1xxx driver to intrepid as well.  sms1xxx will be included with 2.6.27
[21:58] <mkrufky> the current sms1xxx has some additional trivial cleanups.  for now, doesnt really pay to backport those into hardy lum
[22:00] <mkrufky> eh, i'll push them to my git tree and issue a pull request, but i'd like to know when is the deadline
[22:00] <mkrufky> (i'd prefer to wait for the last minute, in case sms1xxx gets any additional fixes in the linux-next tree before actual merge to 2.6.27)


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 @The_LoudSpeaker just started a vm I have that previously have the shortcut issue and now I didn't need to reatrart panel nor runner
 have you done something? could you check?
 I'll be on vacations so couldn't hel until 25.
[18:42] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALf0da5f2b5a32: Add partition type field] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALf0da5f2b5a32
 Didn't change anything. Was busy. I will have a look on a fresh install when I get time.
[19:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T21: Our xscreensaver theme is too old] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T21#2318
[19:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T21: Our xscreensaver theme is too old] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T21#2319
 for rART, I just clone the repo, make changes, check if it buids, then arc diff?
 ^ @tsimonq2 wxl
 I actually didn't understand the instructions in its readme.
[19:40] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker (re GRUB theme right?) yes but again remember you're defining a new binary package within the source packages, so you should build the binary and install the deb and make sure it actually works. otherwise, yes.
 aaaghh! internet gone. I was in the middle of cloning the repo and downloading the iso.
 @wxl [<wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker (re GRUB theme right?) yes but again remember you're defi …], Will check tomorrow. Thanks!
[19:41] <wxl> yep
[19:42] <wxl> also you might want to test that theory about using images
 Also, I just ran a vm, which was a week old I think. ran a full upgrade. no change in my case. will check on a real machine tomorrow.
[19:42] <wxl> i don't think it's necessarily true
 @wxl [<wxl> also you might want to test that theory about using images], resources?
[19:42] <wxl> report back and then maybe we can make a collective decision
[19:42] <wxl> yep
 @wxl [<wxl> i don't think it's necessarily true], Yeah. I also have doubts.
 @wxl [<wxl> report back and then maybe we can make a collective decision], ack.
 good night.
[19:43] <wxl> i think i'll make a poll here once we have that info
 noted.
 how do I measure it tho?
[19:44] <wxl> there's an option in xscreensaver to watch frame rates and such. you could also monitor cpu/memory usage with top and there's another thing for gpu
[19:47] <wxl> unfortunately with the gpus they tend to be specific to the gpu, e.g. radeontop, nvidia-smi, intel_gpu_top
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 sadly
[21:36] <wxl> what i don't understand is how the likes of e.g. conky tend to be agnostic about it
[21:36] <wxl> perhaps the level of detail is more limited. this is not a subject i've looked extensively into


[00:56] <mattfly> Kubuntu 18.04, qtDesigner suddenly fails to open with error: https://bpaste.net/show/FKPKQ
[01:15] <valorie> mattfly: `ubuntu-bug qtdesigner`
[01:15] <valorie> I don't believe that we (kubuntu) package that
[01:18] <oerheks> good ol' python-qt4 qt4-designer
[02:42] <kinghat> what is the difference between `kubuntu-desktop` and `kde-plasma-desktop`?
[02:44] <valorie> kde-plasma is just plasma and what you need to make it run
[02:45] <valorie> not sure what all more there is to kub-desktop, but it's got our tested settings and needed packages like fonts
[02:46] <valorie> I assume that kub-desktop depends on plasma and all its bits
[02:46] <kinghat> is there difference package sizes with the kde-plasma-desktop?
[02:46] <kinghat> and is the kubuntu-desktop a one size fit all in that regard? or is there a "lite" version with minimal apps, etc.
[02:46] <valorie> I assume so
[02:47] <valorie> if you are getting the desktop you aren't getting apps too
[02:47] <valorie> the ISO has regular and "light"
[02:47] <valorie> but just the desktop is just that -- the desktop
[02:48] <valorie> you can check in the commandline with apt policy kde-plasma-desktop
[02:48] <valorie> and same for kubuntu-desktop
[02:52] <kinghat> maybe i did it wrong but that is supposed to show the packages? https://paste.debian.net/hidden/05cdc628/
[02:54] <valorie> hmmm, I thought it would show all the packages
[02:55] <valorie> that didn't even show size
[02:55] <valorie> maybe apt show for each?
[03:00] <valorie> kinghat: did apt show work?
[03:01] <kinghat> yes tyvm valorie
[03:01] <valorie> \o/
[03:01] <valorie> I'll remember that
[03:01] <valorie> thanks
[05:02] <swift110> hey all
[05:02] <swift110> come on to ##forthenerds
[05:16] <valorie> please don't make offtopic remarks like that, swift110
[05:16] <valorie> this is a support channel
[05:17] <valorie> we have #kubuntu-offtopic for chat
 Oh sorry
 Hello! I am updating Kubuntu from 19.02 to 19.10. The installer seems to be stuck at: Installing the Updates - checking connectivity with the snap store - installing the chromium snap. What can I do???
 How do I get Discover to update flatpaks? It 'discovers' that flatpaks need updating but then fails to do so.
[09:20] <IrcsomeBot1> glados19965 was added by: glados19965
 hi guys i have a problem with kubuntu 19.04
 when i connect to wifi of my student dorm it cant connect anywhere
 but when i route that wifi connection from other pc it connects easyly
[09:33] <diogenes_> try reboot router.
 @diogenes_, they loked all of the modems and routers with a box thats why i cant do that and they blocked modem/router setup ip
[09:36] <IrcsomeBot1> David was added by: David
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 I've tried, but can't
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[10:26] <KDEUsr> HEY
[10:29] <user|16448> Hello, I have just installed 19.10 on my PC with AMD RX 5700. Whats the best solution to install the drivers for my graphic card? (as they are not included in kubuntu 19.10)
[10:33] <user|16448> Just upgrading to linux-firmware (1.183.1) eoan solves the problem ... cu
 @user|16448, That's good. Did you use the Kubuntu 'Device Manager'?  Chrome freezes every time I open it. The customization option (the three vertical dots on the right above), when I try to open it, causes Chrome to freeze completely, for about 30 to 40 seconds. Then it does not do it again, unless I close the application and open it again. The same with saved pages and passwords, but it happens not at the b
[17:37] <user|48073> eginning of having opened the application, but within a few minutes. Also the freezing time is 30 to 40 seconds. Having overcome these two moments of freezing, Chrome does not do it again, except close the application and close it again.
[17:38] <user|48073> sorry, except i close the application and open it again..
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[20:20] <cyskus> Hello, I have a question about apt.  I am getting connect errors when attempting to install packages or get package list updates (error message is "Connection Failed [IP: ... 80]").  I have ensured that no http_proxy or https_proxy is set in either the user or root environment and that the IP/port combinations are accessible through Firefox/wget/etc...  I have additionally tried disabling ufw and found that there was no difference.  The
[20:20] <cyskus> behaviour is always the same: a long wait in "Getting Headers" followed by the connection error.  Are there any additional ways that I should attempt to resolve this issue?
[20:25] <cyskus> Also, there is another issue that I have encountered.  After the update to Kubuntu 19.10 about 10 days ago (note: the apt issue just started today) Kate has been opening text files in a new window instead of in a new tab.  When attempting to run a new instance of Kate from Konsole, I see the following suspicious error message: 'Failed to register /MainApplication on DBus'.  Is there any possible resolution to this issue as well?
[20:25] <cyskus> Also of note: both issues persist across reboots.
[20:27] <hggdh> cyskus: you will be better served on the #ubuntu or #debian channels, not here
[20:28] <hggdh> cyskus: argh, forget -- I thought I was on another channel...
[20:31] <hggdh> cyskus: anyways. See if you have a proxy declared for apt --  /etc/apt.conf.d/* probably
[20:35] <hggdh> cyskus: or try sudo apt-get -oDebug::Acquire::http=true update
[20:35] <cyskus> I checked there already and did not find a proxy definition.  I also did not find a defined proxy in System Settings -> Network -> Proxy.  Looking back into the apt logs however it seems that apt is rarely able to connect.  This kind of behaviour reminds me of accessing websites through I2P (which I have installed).
[20:36] <cyskus> Thanks for the debug suggestion, I'm attempting it right now.
[20:37] <hggdh> cyskus: if you are using https, there is the equivalent debug option: s/http/&s/
[20:38]  * hggdh goes walk the dog
[20:42] <cyskus> The debug log can be found here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/C2ry3C6trH/
[20:46] <cyskus> Also, wget logs for one of the URLs can be found here: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Vt5g5cVGbX/
[20:51] <cyskus> How bad of an idea would it be to reinstall apt through dpkg?  I've seen odd issues caused by application file corruption in the past and wonder if this would resolve the issue.  I don't necessarily want to try it though in case doing do could cause further issues.
[20:52] <cyskus> ls
[20:58] <oerheks> CA mirror .. heard issues in #ubuntu earlier
[21:02] <cyskus> I might just need to wait them.  It would make sense as well as given further inspection of the logs it seems that the connections might succeed but expected data is not found.
[21:03] <cyskus> Actually, this is potentially further confirmed when I make the web request with ncat (copying the HTTP request from the apt debug logs); I get a 400 error in response.
[21:04] <oerheks> how about changing to the main mirror?
[21:05] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca-archive seems up2date >> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[21:08] <cyskus> I'll give that a try, thanks.  I tried previously to switch to the main mirror through Discover, but I'll try through the terminal this time.
[21:16] <cyskus> It's failing to connect to the mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca mirror as well.  I'll try over HTTPS to see if that makes any difference.
[21:19] <cyskus> It works over HTTPS.  Thanks once again for the help!