[19:00] <teward> i said 10min then shtf >.>
[19:00] <teward> arraybolt3: does that still need sponsored?


[00:07] <kingiy> so tell me is it possible to have a Ubuntu Touch smartphone that has nothing to do with Apple or Google
[00:07] <kingiy> ?
[07:41] <adobug> Hello everyone
[08:34] <adobug> Does anybody know how to make a .defconfig file


[15:49] <bcurtiswx> i got sponsorship :) woot woot
[16:05] <maco> grats!
[16:12] <bcurtiswx> thx, now I have to study up on how overseas travel is.. since this will be my first time
[16:13] <maco> bring a book but make sure to sleep on the plane
[16:13] <maco> i recommend trying to force yourself to sleep on the plane at the time that would be bedtime in your target country
[16:14] <maco> (this worked well for me for barcelona. i went to sleep when it was like midnight or 1am spanish time so it shifted my clock)
[16:18] <bcurtiswx> maco, how will my passport experience be at the airport.   "business" "ok"
[16:18] <maco> (valid answers are business or tourism)
[16:19] <maco> the worst part is waiting in line
[16:19] <bcurtiswx> does this all happen when i GET there?
[16:19] <maco> yes
[16:19] <maco> passport lines getting back into the US tend to be forever long
[16:19] <maco> passport lines getting into european countries seem to be a lot easier :P
[16:20] <bcurtiswx> so it'll be like any other day flying there, until i get there..
[16:20] <maco> at which point, just make sure you have your passport in your carry on!
[16:21] <bcurtiswx> what about me being English and others being... well.. whatever the native language in Hungary is
[16:21] <maco> english is the language of tourism
[16:21] <maco> all the airports ive been to in europe, they had everything in $native and english
[16:22] <maco> (and thatd be hungarian, which is, btw, one of the hardest languages there is. 17 cases iirc, so ya know...3x as hard as latin)
[16:22] <maco> (and unrelated to practically every other language)
[16:22] <bcurtiswx> lol, OK
[16:23] <maco> its "language family" consists of it, finnish, and estonian
[16:23] <maco> so i think they're used to foreigners being totally clueless
[16:24] <maco> (whereas i think the italians are used to americans like me who smash spanish into being workable)
[16:24] <bcurtiswx> what about getting to the Hotel? and getting my keys and such for the Hotel... will i need to fight non-english people at the counter?
[16:25] <bcurtiswx> oh and phones, what should I get?
[16:25] <maco> people will be listing their flight info on the ubuntu wiki. you'll probably want to share a cab with another ubuntu person. if you can say the hotel name, you're fine
[16:26] <maco> i usually consider a week in europe to be an excuse to avoid phones :P
[16:26] <bcurtiswx> well, emergencies?
[16:26] <maco> a GSM phone will work, but if you use your american SIM itll be expensive. you can get prepaid SIMs there
[16:26] <maco> ive never bothered
[16:27] <maco> i have Verizon, so my phone's CDMA and can't work in europe, period
[16:27] <bcurtiswx> yes, i have VZ too
[16:27] <maco> verizon will allow you to rent an international phone
[16:27] <maco> i remember my dad did that when we went to europe for two weeks
[16:28] <bcurtiswx> im assuming a tracphone would be cheaper than that tho
[16:28] <maco> guess my attitude is:  if i have an emergency in europe, what the hell are my american friends going to do about it? and i dont have #s to call here, so...??
[16:29] <maco> as far as just keeping in touch with your fiance... skype/IM
[16:30] <bcurtiswx> yeah, im guessing the hotel will have free internet for the Ubuntu people
[16:30] <maco> oh i guess you should know that the emergency phone number for (afaik) everywhere not-USA is 999 (not 911)
[16:30] <maco> yep, thats always part of the deal
[16:31] <bcurtiswx> will the room i stay in have that? or should I only expect it in the conference area?
[16:31] <bcurtiswx> like the US hotels do
[16:31] <maco> oooh wait nope. in the EU it's 112
[16:31] <maco> not sure about in rooms. hotel lobby tends to have free wifi negotiated for our week
[16:32] <maco> i *think* in dallas it was free-in-lobby and also free-in-room-outside-of-9-to-5 to keep people from going back to their room during sessions
[17:45] <bcurtiswx> maco, thx.  Do I need to get some hungarian currency?
[17:45] <maco> austria uses euro, so i imagine hungary does too
[17:46] <bcurtiswx> what meals (if any) are provided?
[17:47] <maco> breakfast if you wake up early enough and lunch
[17:47] <maco> afterward you can submit a reimbursement request for taxis + dinner
[17:47] <maco> they'll tell you what the per diem is
[17:47] <maco> you need receipts for taxi to/from hotel
[17:47] <maco> the per diem (to cover dinner, possibly public transit to/from restaurant) is honour-system
[17:48] <maco> i think it was $27/day in orlando
[17:48] <bcurtiswx> that you won't make it pricey... yeah.. i know how that is
[17:48] <maco> so you could claim $27 each day whether youd spent it or not, which...ya know...
[17:49] <bcurtiswx> why not...
[17:49] <bcurtiswx> i always do when i travel domestically
[17:49] <maco> i actually didnt fill in reimbursement forms for any of the UDSes i went to
[17:49] <maco> i figured i wouldve eaten dinner regardless
[18:01]  * bcurtiswx wonders how many euros i'd need
[18:07] <maco> i tookd 250€ when i went to barcelona
[18:08] <maco> it was Travelex's smallest number that you could get and be able to return leftovers with no fees
[18:08] <maco> i used most of it, though i still have a small stash of euros in my drawer
[18:08] <maco> wait thats not right
[18:08] <maco> i took $250-worth of euro
[18:09] <maco> so like 200€
[18:13] <bcurtiswx> lol, OK
[18:14] <maco> at the time that was probably more like 150€
[18:14] <maco> yay exchange rates
[18:18] <bcurtiswx> who's the most fun to hang out with?
[18:19] <maco> i usually hang out with the kubuntu team
[18:20] <maco> i tried hanging out with the kernel team the first time i went to uds, but... i get a bit much of a "little girl, go away" vibe from someone on there, and many of them are a bit crass...
[18:20] <bcurtiswx> I'd say I'd hang out with the Desktop Team, but im sure that won't happen
[18:22] <bcurtiswx> at least I've talked with om26er abotu hanging out


[00:05] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: i have done that but not at present
[00:05] <wrst> having issues?
[00:05] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: yeah. It's crashy.
[00:06] <RagnarokAngel> and my laptop likes to hang somewhere on resuming from suspend.
[00:06] <RagnarokAngel> or sleep
[00:06] <wrst> ubuntu's implementation of gnome 3 is awful
[00:06] <wrst> you might trie that gnomebuntu
[00:07] <RagnarokAngel> honestly I just want to give up running ubuntu
[00:59] <RagnarokAngel> I feel like I say that every time I get in this channel.
[01:22] <Unit193> RagnarokAngel: Could use gnomebuntu as wrst said, or try one of the others, or just go with mini.iso and install openbox.
[01:22] <Unit193> Or, another distro that works for you better.
[01:23] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: if you want a good gnome-shell experience, Arch is good, but not easy, or easier would be to use debian testing/unstable
[01:23] <wrst> debian testing is a little old but would give you a good vanilla gnome-shell that actually worked
[01:23] <Unit193> (Just don't use mint! :P )
[01:24]  * wrst despises the word mint unless it refers to candy or cookies or maybe chocolate of some type
[01:24] <RagnarokAngel> I had a friend keep trying to push mint.
[01:24] <Unit193> wrst: I have a half eaten peppermint candy cane in my pocket!  (Only been there for a couple weeks)
[01:24] <RagnarokAngel> I was unimpressed by his linux-fu
[01:24] <wrst> yeah i would go for that Unit193 ;)
[01:25] <Unit193> RagnarokAngel: Mint is to Ubuntu users as Ubuntu is to Arch users. :)
[01:25] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: if you don't care to go hardcare gnome-shell on arch is as good as gnome shell gets, but to be honest since the seem fit to break extensions with every release i have went away from it
[01:25] <Unit193> wrst: I have a blueberry one too. :)
[01:25] <wrst> Unit193: amen
[01:26] <wrst> Unit193: since i have ubuntu on my main drive now i feel a little bit dummer than usual so I installed arch on my spinner just so I didn't lose credibility
[01:26] <RagnarokAngel> I just don't really have a weekend to go through an arch install
[01:27] <wrst> RagnarokAngel: takes me about 30 minutes to get to the point that I'm installing xorg and a desktop, granted I've done it a couple of times, but since they have done away with the installer and you chroot to install its actually quicker
[01:28] <wrst> i just partition with some other distro's live disk or gparted live or whatever works and go to it
[01:28] <RagnarokAngel> wrst: hmmm
[01:28] <Unit193> wrst: All depends on how you use it. :P
[01:28] <wrst> but I've done it a couple of times RagnarokAngel will take considerably longer
[01:28] <wrst> Unit193: how you use what?
[01:28] <Unit193> Linux/Ubuntu
[01:28] <wrst> and Unit193 after I get a desktop I never stop tweaking
[01:29] <RagnarokAngel> alright before I get into something crazy here
[01:29] <wrst> Unit193: yeah i mean its all linux and truth be told with arch i get it up to the point of being ubuntu like
[01:29] <RagnarokAngel> I have a problem that should be solvable with chron
[01:29] <wrst> so really easier to uninstall stuff from ubuntu than build an arch system, but I must say i like systemd and the lightning boot times and shutdown times
[01:29] <Unit193> wrst: I would do much better with a binary distro, but I still compile/recompile/package stuff on this one, and terminal is my UI. ;)
[01:30] <Unit193> Could just build up from a mini.iso, that way you don't have to remove.
[01:30] <wrst> Unit193: yeah you are crazy why don't you just use gentoo!
[01:30] <wrst> what is your issue RagnarokAngel?
[01:30] <RagnarokAngel> I lost a file I was editing in gedit (good game something I wanted to get published) and thought I wanted to make everything that's open every 15 minutes get backed up as new text files.
[01:31] <wrst> that sounds like a Unit193 question :)
[01:31]  * wrst has no idea
[01:31] <RagnarokAngel> I really want to have it save as new files so I have lots of drafts
[01:31] <RagnarokAngel> makes it easier for me to go back in time when revising.
[01:32] <RagnarokAngel> would this be possible/better with a different text editor (no vi because F that)


[00:10] <thesheff17> has anyone ever installed office2003/2007 with wine and get it to work?
[00:14] <Ampelbein> thesheff17: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=10 (for word) and similar pages for the other parts will tell you.
[00:14] <thesheff17> Ampelbein: thx I will check it out
[00:43] <adlr> Hi folks, I have a couple questions about uTouch. I'm not sure if this is the proper IRC channel, or if anyone here has familiarity?
[01:23] <bryce_> adlr, you want cnd (who's probably off for the weekend)
[01:37] <adlr> bryce_: thanks, i'll try back on Monday
[02:51] <michaelfavia> how do you install gnome-shell form this repo ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3
[02:52] <michaelfavia> i have an unresolved dependency
[02:52] <michaelfavia> gnome-shell: Depends: gir1.2-upowerglib-1.0 which is a virtual package
[03:53] <cnd> adlr, I'm off, but you can find us in #ubuntu-touch
[03:53] <cnd> there's often people poking in and out, even on weekends
[06:19] <sistem_error> :-D
[19:11] <hyperair> hi. is there some mechanism for preventing the newly included resize handles from appearing on fullscreen windows?
[19:14] <kklimonda> hyperair: something like gtk_window_set_has_resize_grip ?
[19:14] <hyperair> kklimonda: ooh okay, thanks
[19:15] <hyperair> kklimonda: but isn't it a bug to have it appear on fullscreen windows by default?
[19:16] <hyperair> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=643360
[19:16] <hyperair> we have a bug.
[19:16] <ubot2> Gnome bug 643360 in User Interface ""Now Playing" has a window resize handle in fullscreen mode" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[19:16] <kklimonda> good question, gnome-terminal doesn't have this problem so it does sound like a bug.. right :)
[19:17] <hyperair> hmm
[19:17] <hyperair> i reckon gnome-terminal would disable the resize grips by default, right?
[19:17] <hyperair> or do those resize grips appear anyway?
[19:17]  * hyperair isn't running natty
[19:18] <kklimonda> thy appear when gnome-terminal isn't full screen
[19:18] <kklimonda> and disappear when you press F11
[19:23] <hyperair> i see.
[19:23] <hyperair> hmm
[19:24] <kklimonda> oh, now that I have you here - any idea why would banshee use much more cpu than rhythmbox when playing the same file?
[19:24] <kklimonda> I can't really debug it right now as banshee broke for me completely in natty after clean install.
[19:25] <kklimonda> (much more being like twice as much)
[19:25] <hyperair> hmm that's weird.
[19:26] <hyperair> it could be running something in the background
[19:26] <hyperair> otherwise it just uses gstreamer and the cpu usage should only stem from there..
[19:27] <kklimonda> that's why I'm surprised
[19:27] <JackyAlcine> Hey guys, how would I properly redirect someone to launchpad to place a bug for my app?
[19:27] <kklimonda> I can't really check it right now - I get lots of warnings like: http://pastebin.com/RMYGhQSD
[19:28] <hyperair> kklimonda: right, it's completely broken in 1.9.3. i just uploaded 1.9.4 though. could you test that?
[19:28] <kklimonda> sure
[19:29] <kklimonda> JackyAlcine: what do you mean by "redirect"?
[19:30] <kklimonda> hyperair: ah, builders are still in the manual mode :/
[19:30] <kklimonda> I'll build it locally
[19:36] <hyperair> kklimonda: right. what happened exactly?
[19:36] <hyperair> i read the mail, but i don't get what actually happened
[19:36] <hyperair> why was sudo used in a build?
[19:36] <hyperair> and how did that warp permissions?
[19:37] <JackyAlcine> kklimonda: I got it, thanks.
[19:39] <kklimonda> hyperair: somehow upgrading sudo (afaik part of the hardy->upgrade) resulted in changing the default umask to 0077 which resulted in packages building with wrong permissions.
[19:39] <hyperair> kklimonda: ah, i see. that sucks.
[19:40] <kklimonda> indeed, there were around 1000 packages that failed to build because of that with really weird error
[19:42] <hyperair> ouch
[19:42] <hyperair> kklimonda: could you check if totem has the resize grip issue, by the way?
[19:43] <kklimonda> hyperair: it doesn't
[19:43] <hyperair> okay
[19:43] <hyperair> lemme just look at totem's code
[19:45] <kklimonda> I don't think there is anything in the totem code - Gtk+ itself should hide the resize grip when window is set to full screen - unless Banshee uses some magic to do that it should just work.
[19:46] <hyperair> how weird =\
[19:48] <kklimonda> totem only hides the resize grip when it is maximized
[21:16] <RoAkSoAx> hi guys I was wondering how can I disable compiz in Unity?
[21:18] <kklimonda> RoAkSoAx: Unity is based on compiz, you can't really disable it. You can launch Unity 2D instead.
[21:23] <RoAkSoAx> kklimonda: yeah I actually ment disable compiz in 11.04, but already did it, just had to use the No effect option at login


[16:00] <pitti> ø
[16:00] <pitti> that was supposed to be a o/
[16:00] <xnox> iteresting =)
[16:00] <xnox> swiss keyboard?
[16:00] <pitti> no, compose key mess up
[16:00] <barry> o/
[16:01] <caribou_> o/
[16:01] <barry> meeting leader shuf? :)
[16:01] <pitti> do I need to run this again?
[16:01] <pitti> if I do it a second time, I'll have to do it forever
[16:02]  * barry says mwah ha ha!
[16:02] <pitti> #startmeeting
[16:02] <doko> pitti, yo do it very well ;)
[16:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Feb 25 16:02:10 2016 UTC.  The chair is pitti. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[16:02] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[16:02] <pitti> #topic lightning round
[16:02] <pitti> *thunder*
[16:02] <pitti> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox pitti tdaitx xnox chiluk)
[16:02] <pitti> slangasek robru chiluk cyphermox doko xnox caribou barry pitti sil2100 bdmurray infinity tdaitx
[16:02] <pitti> and we skip the winner :)
[16:02] <robru> ok
[16:02] <robru> lp:bileto
[16:02] <robru> * began work on jenkins replacement / ephemeral PPAs.
[16:02] <robru>  - can run parameterized jobs
[16:02] <robru>  - stream console output
[16:02] <robru>  - host old logs with meaningful permalinks
[16:02] <robru>  - can create & delete PPAs, but can't devirt them yet
[16:02] <robru>  - none of the useful features are hooked up yet (eg, can't actually build packages yet)
[16:02] <robru> lp:cupstream2distro
[16:02] <robru> * some minor hotfixes in response to various fires that happened relating to diff generation and invalid bzr commit author names.
[16:02] <robru> worked with #webops to reboot servers with security fix.
[16:02] <robru> (done)
[16:03] <pitti> robru: wohoo!
[16:03] <chiluk> slangasek skip me today... sprinting.
[16:04] <pitti> cyphermox: ?
[16:04] <cyphermox> yep
[16:04] <cyphermox> MIR:
[16:04] <cyphermox> - review barbican
[16:04] <cyphermox> - review designate
[16:04] <cyphermox> trusty:
[16:04] <cyphermox> - debug oem mode install (bug lp: #1547630)
[16:04] <cyphermox> - deploying using MAAS on powerVM
[16:04] <cyphermox> - discussion on ifupdown networking restart w/ support
[16:04] <cyphermox> - final 14.04.4 testing
[16:04] <cyphermox> - fix kernel cli separator in debian-cd
[16:04] <cyphermox> xenial:
[16:04] <cyphermox> - add mokutil to live seed
[16:04] <cyphermox> - debug syslinux w/ gcc 5
[16:04] <cyphermox> - debug ubiquity crash w/ new upower
[16:04] <cyphermox> - fix ubiquity crash when non-free is disabled
[16:04] <cyphermox>  - investigate MTA preseed for mdadm in server seed
[16:04] <cyphermox>   - smoser added mdadm in server seed and noticed debconf questions during install
[16:04] <cyphermox> - investigating ubiquity 2.21.45 breakage
[16:05] <cyphermox> - prepare grub-ieee1275 nvram handling change
[16:05] <cyphermox> - review libtimezonemap merge from mterry
[16:05] <cyphermox> - yet more debugging of lvm on mpath
[16:05] <cyphermox> ±other stuff:
[16:05] <cyphermox> - ITPs for TPM stuffs
[16:05] <cyphermox> - discuss grub-ieee1275 upgrade process w/ infinity
[16:05] <cyphermox> - investigate debootstrap InRelease support (bug lp: #1485511)
[16:05] <cyphermox> - ubiquity fix for dmidecode on skylake
[16:05] <cyphermox> (⚜done ✅)
[16:05] <doko> - build vim-*-py2 packages for users who can't yet switch to Python3
[16:05] <doko> - add packaging for talloc, tdb, ldb Python3 bindings
[16:05] <doko> - split out a openjdk-8-jdk-headless package from openjdk-8
[16:05] <doko> - gcc-4.8 cross updates for trusty
[16:05] <doko> - gccgo-9, gcc-5 updates
[16:05] <doko> - fixing regressions in twisted 16.0.0
[16:05] <doko> - dicuss how still to enable -fPIE by default on amd64 and ppc64el
[16:05] <doko> - gcc-6 updates, report upstream issues
[16:05] <doko> - investigate mariadb-10.0 build failures on s390x, LP: #1530482
[16:05] <doko> - finally finished gnutls and bind9 transition, fixed bind9 udebs
[16:05] <doko> - debian-installer fixes
[16:05] <doko> - cleaned up component mismatches, graphs are starting to look useful again
[16:05] <doko> - cleared up NBS except for two php packages
[16:05] <doko> - cleared update_output.txt a lot
[16:05] <doko> - helping with php7.0
[16:06] <doko> - got python3.5 and the pip stack migrating to the release pocket
[16:06] <doko> - gdb-7.11 final release
[16:06] <doko> - more multiarchifornications
[16:06] <doko> - dicussions about symbols files
[16:06] <doko> - tested and uploaded elfutils kernel debug info fix on ppc64el
[16:06] <doko> - and the usual small transitions, ftbfs, MIRs, nagging, ...
[16:06] <doko> (done)
[16:06] <xnox> nice.
[16:06] <pitti> cyphermox: what's wrong with networking restart?
[16:06] <cyphermox> apparently, people want to use that
[16:06] <pitti> doko: many thanks for clearing up c-m, it's soo much better to read already
[16:06] <caribou_> pitti: someone is (yet again) asking for it to be fixed
[16:06] <cyphermox> (especially with upstart)
[16:07] <xnox> .... but it "works" with upstart =) as in, restart networking -> does nothing and tells people to go away.
[16:07] <cyphermox> pitti: so I was asked to look into it, and I did and wrote down my notes
[16:07] <xnox> caribou_, interesting. I wonder if we should show them systemd-networkd where all interfaces grow unlimited configuration (things are only added, never removed in networkd)
[16:07] <pitti> xnox: your turn, btw
[16:07] <xnox> ok.
[16:07] <xnox> we were talking =)
[16:07] <xnox> Merge acpid (upon doko's request)
[16:07] <xnox> Uploaded juju patch to make it work with daily streams
[16:07] <xnox> mdadm is now used to assemble ISMS and DDF raids
[16:07] <xnox> bug fix to opencryptoki, missing symlinks to some s390x-tokens
[16:07] <xnox> did review, merge, upload for cloud team of the livecd-rootfs
[16:08] <xnox> did a couple final dh_python2 uploads, and thus doko remove python-support from the archive
[16:08] <caribou_> xnox: and a lot of people are "very" happy about that :)
[16:08] <xnox> Fixed old bugs: bug #1317153
[16:08] <xnox> Made qemu backport friendly into the cloud-archive
[16:08] <xnox> Improved sysconfig packaging for MIR
[16:08] <xnox> Fixed libica for MIR, which got rejected, instead of opencryptoki got demoted to universe.
[16:08] <xnox> Staging installer changes for uploads post milestone release
[16:08] <xnox> done.
[16:08] <xnox> caribou_, upstart->does-nothing or the excellent-networkd? Or both?
[16:08] <caribou_> xnox: we're talking trusty
[16:08] <cyphermox> xnox: what installer changes? I'm curious because I have some things pending on my list
[16:09] <barry> xnox, doko python-support \o/
[16:09] <caribou_> I'm also sprinting this week so nothing to report
[16:09] <caribou_> (done)
[16:09] <xnox> cyphermox, bits for s390x e.g. tweks in parted for default filesystem handling to be per disk, and possibly further changes here and there.
[16:09] <barry> LP: #1547196; LP: #1440564; LP: #1508081; LP: #1547370
[16:10] <barry> python-lockfile 0.12.2-1 (review & sponsorship); python-pex 1.1.2-1; tox 2.3.1-4 (and other related proposed migration problems); LP: #1546982; debian bug #813992 (wheel 0.29.0-1); LP: #1546447 (python-pip 8.0.2-8); syncpackage both wheel and pip
[16:10] <barry> Python 3 only: now just the most difficult samba-libs work to do
[16:10] <barry> --done--
[16:10] <xnox> cyphermox, not much. there are debian bugs filed for all of them, and launchpad issues too. I can pass them over to you as well.
[16:10] <pitti> autopkgtest:
[16:10] <pitti>  - Debug failure of armhf/s390x testbeds; turns out new lxc completely breaks this; downgraded, bug pending
[16:10] <pitti>  - Fix proxy setting in armhf/s390x LXC workers
[16:10] <pitti>  - Work around "lxc file push" regression that broke the LXD runner (#1548878)
[16:10] <pitti>  - britney: Add force-badtest hint for architectures
[16:10] <cyphermox>  xnox: why do you fail to complete on my irc client?
[16:10] <pitti>  - britney: Avoid confusing (because often wrong) version numbers for "in progress" tests
[16:10] <pitti>  - britney: Introduce a new state for regressions overridden by hints, to make reading and parsing excuses easier
[16:10] <pitti>  - britney: Support force-{skip,bad}test hints for multiple versions
[16:10] <pitti> distro:
[16:10] <pitti>  - ubiquity: Fix crash when trying to talk to upower (#1547956)
[16:10] <pitti>  - ubiquity: Fix FTBFS due to new grep 2.23
[16:10] <pitti>  - upower: Fix crash regression (#1547793)
[16:10] <pitti>  - plymouth: Fix passphrase input at boot when booting without "splash" (#1432265)
[16:10] <pitti>  - initramfs-tools: Adjust wait-for-root to long-deprecated udev API (#1539195)
[16:10] <pitti>  - lxd: Fix upgrade failure (#1549133)
[16:10] <pitti>  - langpack-o-matic: Move from macquarie to snakefruit, as the former is being killed
[16:10] <pitti>  - langpack-o-matic: Create charm for moving to Prodstack
[16:11] <pitti>  - moved all remaining main packages to tomcat8, drop tomcat7 from main (#1539903)
[16:11] <pitti>  - sponsoring shift on Friday
[16:11] <pitti> ⛇
[16:11] <pitti> ("HEAVY SNOWMAN" in celebration of the weather)
[16:11] <xnox> pitti, are you using LXD on s390x already, or not yet?
[16:11] <pitti> xnox: not yet
[16:11] <xnox> pitti, ok.
[16:11] <pitti> xnox: (1) time issue, (2) no images.linuxcontainers.org images yet
[16:11] <pitti> xnox: I could use the cloud images, but they are a bit of a nuisance
[16:12] <davmor2> pitti: that snowman is goth you can't blag me ;)
[16:12] <doko> barry, I think the samba-libs solution is to find a way to move it off the image and only install it on demand for those who want to install a samba printer
[16:12] <pitti> oh, no sil2100, he excused himself on mail
[16:12] <xnox> pitti, what's nuisance about them? it's trivial for me to tweak things to generate "better" images.
[16:12] <pitti> bdmurray: ?
[16:12] <bdmurray> further work on devops setup of the error tracker
[16:12] <bdmurray> discussions with stub regarding dse cassandra
[16:12] <bdmurray> worked on creating a way to disable LP bug creation in the error tracker
[16:12] <bdmurray> investigation into bind9 crash retracing
[16:12] <pitti> xnox: -> #u-devel
[16:12] <doko> pitti, caused by a bug in grep?
[16:12] <bdmurray> attended meeting re: automated upgrade testing
[16:12] <bdmurray> review of automated upgrade testing work
[16:12] <bdmurray> built / tested new version of ubuntu-release-upgrader for laney (LP: #1548858)
[16:12] <bdmurray> tested debian-installer bug LP: #1547630
[16:12] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[16:12] <bdmurray> research into python import issue bug LP: #1547370
[16:13] <barry> doko: after chatting w/the fedora guy trying to do essentially the same thing, you are probably right
[16:14] <pitti> doko: bug or changed behaviour, not sure
[16:14] <pitti> bdmurray: why do you want to disable bug creation, OOI?
[16:14] <tdaitx> infinity is not around... so here I go
[16:14] <tdaitx> * TCK 7 (Trusty/AMD64)
[16:14] <tdaitx> - Fixed & refactored scripts, updated TCK config files to conform to the new tests
[16:14] <tdaitx> - Fixed run failures/errors
[16:14] <tdaitx> - Rebasing my fixes into proper commits
[16:14] <tdaitx> - Preparing some documentation on how to set it up
[16:14] <tdaitx> Next:
[16:15] <tdaitx> * Setup and run interactive tests locally
[16:15] <tdaitx> * Update scripts and config files to run TCK 8
[16:15] <tdaitx> (done)
[16:16] <xnox> pitti, AOB?
[16:17] <bdmurray> pitti: When we cut over to the new cassandra database there will be some time when the db should be read only. It also makes sense for staging as the created bug would be written to the wrong db.
[16:17] <pitti> #topic AOB
[16:17] <pitti> xnox: sorry, still catching up with reading :)
[16:17] <xnox> So I have two merge proposals, that need someone to review and merge:
[16:17] <xnox> Britney: https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/britney/deps-components/+merge/286511
[16:18] <xnox> Germinate:
[16:18] <xnox> https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/germinate/+git/germinate/+merge/285180
[16:18] <pitti> xnox: ah, I didn't merge that yet; TBH I'm a bit uneasy about such complex changes without proper integration test cases
[16:19] <pitti> they are likely to break with merging from trunk (which got quite some refactoring)
[16:19] <xnox> both are trivial python scripts. thus hopefully everyone on our team can review them =)
[16:19] <pitti> I realize that writing tests is some effort as the current "mock" archive doesn't do components yet, so that needs to be added
[16:20] <xnox> pitti, i was not notified of any conflict yet, but i can re-merge. I can certainly write some tests, but the ones that were in, were all about autopkgtest integration which are nice, and don't cover anything else =)
[16:20] <pitti> xnox: I didn't merge with trunk yet
[16:21] <xnox> pitti, ah, ok.
[16:21] <xnox> so can people please try to review and run above codes? we do have germinate users and britney users right?! =)
[16:21] <pitti> I'll review the britney one
[16:22] <pitti> someone else can take germinate?
[16:22] <xnox> barry, ? =)
[16:22] <xnox> barry, it is simple graph processing of the archive in pure python =)
[16:22] <barry> xnox: opening some tabs is all i'll promise right now ;)
[16:23] <barry> xnox: ping me if i don't get to them soon-ish
[16:23] <pitti> ok, anything else from anyone?
[16:24] <pitti> l
[16:25] <pitti> ok, then thanks everyone!
[16:25] <pitti> #endmeeting
[16:25] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Feb 25 16:25:48 2016 UTC.
[16:25] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-02-25-16.02.moin.txt
[16:25] <barry> thanks pitti !
[16:26] <caribou_> thanks pitti


[00:18] <Saniok> hi to all
[01:08] <effie_jayx> hey all
[01:13] <nickellery> hi, I'm an ubuntu member requesting an IRC cloak
[01:13] <nickellery> launchpad.net/~nick.ellery
[01:15] <nalioth> interesting
[01:59] <effie_jayx> nalioth, who should I talk to about handing over the founder status of a channel
[02:01] <nalioth> effie_jayx: depends on the channel.  what's up?
[02:01] <effie_jayx> #ubuntu-ve was founded by me
[02:01] <effie_jayx> I want to set it to the current LoCo contact as I plan to resign from my IRC duties
[02:02] <effie_jayx> op duties
[02:02] <effie_jayx> that is
[02:02] <effie_jayx> nalioth,  does that make sense?
[02:08] <nalioth> of course
[02:08] <nalioth>   /msg chanserv help set
[02:08] <nalioth> you want to look at the founder option
[09:58] <huats> hello everyone
[09:58] <huats> elkbuntu: hey
[09:58] <huats> elkbuntu: do you remember last week the pb we had with the ban limit ?
[09:58] <huats> elkbuntu: we are still facing it...
[09:59] <huats> elkbuntu: I talked to seanw the freenode staffer to you send to me, but since another staffer had looked at it, he couldn't do anything (which I fully understand)
[10:00] <huats> the problem is that this other staffer (nalioth), has not explained anything to us....
[10:01] <huats> and when I try to talk to me and explain his decision (I am asking that since I am the leader of the loco and that this pb affects the loco) he says "you already had an answer ", which is false... and he refuses to say anything more...
[10:01] <huats> I have to admit that I am a bit loss...
[10:07] <tomaw> huats: can't you remove some of the old bans?
[10:08] <huats> tomaw: it has already been
[10:08] <huats> lots and lots of time
[10:08] <huats> but we are always near the limit
[10:09] <huats> the last time we removed bans, we were still around 40
[10:09] <huats> we are a big big loco
[10:09] <huats> and this is our main channel
[10:09] <huats> ...
[10:10] <huats> the pb is that some guys, try to come back very often (even if they were banned a long time ago)
[10:13] <tomaw> can you replace the bans for those people with chanserv akicks?
[10:14] <tomaw> it's a tiny bit more noisy but it should allow you to keep the actual ban listing shorter
[10:14] <tomaw> It's just a suggestion.  I don't know the reasons why nalioth said no and am in the same situation as seanw in that I'm not willing to grant it if he said no.
[10:15] <huats> tomaw: i will talk to the guys in charge of dealing with irc pbs of the locos about your solutions
[10:16] <huats> I fully understand your point tomaw (for not changing the decision of nalioth)
[10:16] <huats> the thing I don't understand is why he refuses to explain it...
[10:16] <huats> i've talked to him, asking him a reason, and he never answer...
[10:17] <huats> there is no dicsussion at all... that is why I am a bit dispointed
[10:17] <huats> I think every decision can be admit, but not one which is not explained...
[11:03] <kirjava1> evening folks
[11:03] <Myrtti> gday
[11:05] <kirjava1> how many different portions (spererated by slashes) can you have in freenode claoks?
[11:05] <kirjava1> *cloaks
[11:05] <kirjava1> would it be possible (for example) to have kirjava@ubuntu/locos/nz/kirjava ?
[15:44] <emgent> PriceChild: ping
[15:45] <nalioth> huats: the problem is that several of you have come forward as " the leader of #ubuntu-fr ", and requested the same thing.  the situation got explained by PriceChild and myself to one of you.  perhaps you need to get your group together and find out exactly what is going on?
[15:46] <huats> nalioth: glad I can talk to you again
[15:47] <huats> nalioth: to sum up, we are a very big loco... so indeed we have dedicated leaders (or at least group of responsible) for some part of the loco... I am the leader of the whole loco (not just #ubuntu-fr)
[15:47] <huats> that is why I come to talk to you...
[15:48] <huats> and clearly I don't see your point in refusing to explain it to me...
[15:48] <huats> because when I ask all the other guys each of them told me that there was no explanations at all...
[15:48] <huats> this is why I want to clarify that situation
[15:50] <huats> and honnestly I am not really sure that you behaviour (of refusing discussion) really helps to solve our pb...
[15:50] <nalioth> i am not "refusing discussion", i am tired of a new person showing up once a week saying they're the responsible party
[15:51] <huats> nalioth: but just say it...
[15:51] <nalioth> PriceChild: and myself have evaluated your request and you guys do not utilize your banlist properly
[15:51] <huats> nalioth: ok, can you detail a little more ?
[15:52] <nalioth> well, there are bans there that are very much out of date
[15:52] <nalioth> there were redundant entries there
[15:53] <huats> nalioth: all that has been cleared after you mention that to the guys in charge of our irc (and for the record I am here to talk to you, since the have the feeling that you are not answering them... this is why they asked me to contact you...)
[15:56] <huats> and regarding "a new person showing up once a week saying they're the responsible party" there is noone above me, in the french loco, you can ask around :)
[15:59] <nalioth> huats: well, we had the channel owner come here, and another fellow before him
[16:00] <nalioth> and the fact that you cleared a few bans doesn't mean y'all aren't gonna put 'em back  ( otw, they'd not have been there in the first place )
[16:02] <huats> nalioth: i trust my guys when they told me that they have cleared all the bans they can
[16:02] <nalioth> but you're missing the point
[16:02] <huats> probably
[16:02] <nalioth> there will be no +u.
[16:02] <huats> that is why I want to talk to you :)
[16:07] <huats> +u ? what do you mean ?
[16:08] <nalioth> er, +L
[16:08] <huats> ok
[16:08] <huats> but from my point of view you haven't still explained me why...
[16:08] <huats> you tell me : go and clear you ban list... that is what we do...
[16:08] <nalioth> banning folks with *away* *brb* *afk* and such is just petty
[16:09] <nalioth> clearing the ban list doesn't change how you guys ban people
[16:09] <huats> nalioth: ok
[16:09] <huats> that is just what I wanted from you... a clear explanations...
[16:10] <nalioth> PriceChild: and I feel that if you get an extended ban list for your channel, it'll be full of petty, ancient bans ( because if you have an extended ban list, you'll need to remove old bans less often )
[16:11] <huats> ok
[16:11] <huats> I get your point...
[16:11] <huats> that is all I wanted...
[16:11] <huats> thanks for taking the time for this explanation
[16:11] <huats> now I can come back and talk to my guys...
[16:12] <huats> but on the otherhand if we tend to come back to the limit, without all this "petty" bans, I won't hesitate to come back to you...
[16:12] <huats> you agree ?
[16:12] <huats> (I insist on the "without all these petty bans")
[16:13] <nalioth> petty and ancient bans
[16:13] <huats> ancient bans too...
[16:13] <Pici> It is probably a good idea to go through the ban list and figure out why each one is there.
[16:14] <huats> Pici: that is what I am going our IRC guys to do...
[16:14] <Pici> :)
[16:14] <huats> thanks a lot
[16:14] <nalioth> a lot of your bans are out of date ( if they have been set by the server, and of a numeric hostname, they're probably out of date )
[16:14] <nalioth> bans are not "fire and forget"
[16:15] <nalioth> this is Ubuntu and we give folks second (and third) chances
[16:16] <huats> nalioth: sure
[16:16] <huats> nalioth: but who someone insist in being inpolite or insulting we have to ban him
[16:16] <nalioth> i understand.
[16:17] <huats> nalioth: the problem is that in France most of us have fixed IP, even from home
[16:17] <huats> so the pb is that even old ban might still need to be in application...
[16:17] <Pici> But a month later, is that user going to come back? Probably not.
[16:17] <nalioth> you don't think people can change?
[16:18] <huats> Pici: and nalioth of course people can change
[16:18] <huats> but when someone gets banned
[16:18] <huats> we remove its ban, and comes back 2 months later (we had many times that)
[16:19] <huats> I tend question myself :)
[16:20] <Pici> huats: But surely not everyone is like that
[16:20] <huats> apparently we had really a lot of people acting like that
[16:21] <nalioth> bans should last 24h, unless you have other reasons to extend them
[16:21] <huats> 24h ?
[16:22] <huats> ok
[16:22] <Pici> 24 hours
[16:22] <nalioth> 24 hours
[16:22] <huats> (I understood)
[16:22] <huats> ok, I'll talk to my guys about that
[16:22] <huats> ...
[16:23] <huats> i'll ask them to have a register of all the guys who have been banned and that come back, after the 24h ban...
[16:23] <nalioth> a PM to folks that come to your channel with "Hey, we're here for FLOSS collaboration, not insults and such and so on  ( preach the Ubuntu way [ not the Debian way]) "
[16:24] <huats> it is lots of work (the register I mention) but it might all of us, if we face the limit pb again...
[16:28] <huats> nalioth: thanks for the discussion... I mean it...
[16:29] <huats> It might help us to improve our irc channels...
[16:29] <huats> and at least I know what were your point
[16:32] <emgent> nalioth: can you forward #ubuntu-flybook in #ubuntu-mobile ?
[16:42] <nalioth> emgent: what is #ubuntu-flybook ?
[16:43] <emgent> nalioth: channel for support flybook V5 (Dialuge) but it`s possile forward in ubuntu-mobile
[16:44] <nalioth> not sure why a ebook tablet channel needs to forward to #ubuntu-mobile
[16:51] <emgent> nalioth: i talked about dholbach for it
[16:52] <emgent> nalioth: http://en.emanuele-gentili.com/index.php/2008/06/23/ubuntu-flybook-team-is-up/
[16:52] <emgent> see daniel comment.
[16:54] <emgent> but I work mainly in Ubuntu Security
[16:54] <emgent> I'm Ubuntu MOTU Security Devel.
[16:54] <emgent> ops worng room
[19:56] <Pici> ...
[20:02] <Myrtti> lovely
[22:28] <PriceChild> nalioth: emgent owns the channel in question... *sends him a link to moving channels*
[22:31] <nalioth> ah, very good then
[22:37] <PriceChild> emgent just acknowledged


[06:24] <jku> is it a common problem that after upgrading to 10.04 mythfrontend wants to mount your removable although there isn't any sdcards or usb-sticks attached?
[06:25] <jku> I ran into this problem and spent quite a lot of time figuring out what is problem, and how to round it
[06:26] <jku> and actually the problem was the frontend setting "Monitor CD/DVD (and other removable devices)" which hasn't been problem earlier
[08:18] <qwebirc43809> I have the latest avenard 0.22 fixes installed on mythbuntu 9.10. I tried to update to 10.04 and therefore added the auto-builds to upgrade to mythtv-0.23. But whatever I do, it just ignores the weeklybuilds when refreshing. It refuses to update to mythtv 0.23. Any hints ?
[12:09] <AmokPaule> Hello, can someone recoomend me a good tv card to use with mythbuntu. i think i have analog cable in germany.
[16:57] <HeMan> Hi! Is the diskless client configurator removed from mythbuntu-control-center in 10.04?
[17:12] <mrand> HeMan: Yes.  A volunteer is working on figuring out all the steps so it can be added back in the future.
[17:13] <HeMan> ok
[17:13] <HeMan> Can I help?
[17:13] <HeMan> I have pretty good understanding in LTSP
[17:14] <mrand> If you two could work together, it would be awesome!  The only way I know to contact him is via his blog: (07:53:34 AM) Demerzel: http://learnonthejob.blogspot.com/2010/05/building-diskless-mythtv-frontend-with.html  there may be other ways.
[17:14] <Zinn> [learnonthejob.blogspot.com] Learning on the Job: Building a Diskless MythTV Frontend with Mythbuntu 10.04 - Lucid Lynx
[17:15] <mrand> He's trying to get all the steps scripted, then it can be added back to MCC.
[19:37] <Nidhoegger> hi
[19:38] <Nidhoegger> since today my remote isnt working. i looked up if the modules got loaded -> no. when i try to "modprobe lirc_serial", then it tells me the ressource is busy
[19:38] <Nidhoegger> what can i do?
[19:42] <Nidhoegger> okay when i do setserial it works, but how can i automat this?
[19:42] <Nidhoegger> that its done manually?
[20:11] <Nidhoegger> can i somehow get themes for mythbuntu mythtv that are NOT widescreen?
[20:15] <rhpot1991> Nidhoegger: there should be non widescreen themes in there
[20:15] <Nidhoegger> ive installed mythbuntu yesterday, all themes for mythtv are widescreen (except für the mythtv blue standart theme)
[20:29] <sabhain> !help diskless
[20:29] <Zinn> !help diskless For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[20:33] <mrand> Nidhoegger: I think Childish is the only other available 4:3 theme (it's brand new - not sure if it is included in Myth auto-builds yet or not - I need to check)
[20:34] <mrand> (besides MythCenter, the blue theme)
[20:34] <rhpot1991> mrand: did the old 4:3s get dropped or soemthing
[20:34] <rhpot1991> it used to be there was a 4:3 for every 16:9 pretty much
[20:34] <rhpot1991> since I've stopped using 4:3 I'm not sure what the current state or it is
[20:34] <mrand> Yeah, MythUI basically pushed the reset button.  I was half toying with the idea of porting Mythbuntu to 4:3.
[20:35] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, I don't think many 4:3 got converted to 0.22
[20:35] <mrand> but about the time I finished with that, I'd hope to have HD ;-)
[20:35] <rhpot1991> thats prob why
[20:35] <rhpot1991> ancient technology, people are working on other things
[20:35] <rhpot1991> mrand: I vote you just buy a new tv instead
[20:35] <mrand> You can vote with your dollars.
[20:36] <rhpot1991> heh
[20:37] <rhpot1991> I'm in a TV upgrade bind if I ever decide to
[20:37] <rhpot1991> the one upstairs barely fits into the cabinet, so the better one downstairs wont make it up there
[20:37] <rhpot1991> and it makes sense to upgrade the best one and cycle around
[20:38] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, new cabinent
[20:38] <mrand> yeah.
[20:38] <mrand> I wonder if I can convince the wife it is either upgrade the TV or upgrade the oven.  I'm not sure which she would pick, actually.
[20:38] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: its some fancy wood things, they aren't cheap
[20:38] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, wall mount
[20:38] <tgm4883> I wish all problems were this easy to solve :)
[20:38] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: and do what with the then empty cabinet?
[20:38] <mrand> rhpot1991: circular saw.  Reshape the fancy wood thing.
[20:38] <mrand> hahah tgm4883
[20:38] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, bonn fire
[20:38] <mrand> Bonfire
[20:38] <tgm4883> bonefire
[20:38] <rhpot1991> somehow I think that will end up resulting in a war I wont win
[20:38] <tgm4883> wait
[20:38]  * mrand remembers Bonfire
[20:38] <tgm4883> no
[20:38] <rhpot1991> much like the time I was ordering an antenna
[20:39] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, assault rifle
[20:39] <rhpot1991> which apparently may be an issue again now
[20:39] <tgm4883> rhpot1991, move to canada
[20:39] <tgm4883> seriously, i'm on fire right now
[20:39] <rhpot1991> tgm4883: I wouldn't mind
[20:39] <rhpot1991> canadians are nice
[20:39] <rhpot1991> and I like snow
[20:39] <rhpot1991> and hockey
[20:39] <mrand>  /topic ask tgm4883.  He has answers.
[20:39]  * tgm4883 opens tgm4883's issue resolver, you have problems, I got answers
[20:40] <mrand> jinks
[20:46] <sabhain> Re: diskless server.  I'm running a diskless setup in 8.04, now 2 years without touching it.  Thinking about upgrading, but hear that MCC no longer has the diskless config stuff.  Diskless server still in existence?
[20:47] <rhpot1991> last release you could still use diskless just no gui to set it up
[20:47] <rhpot1991> not sure about the state in lucid
[20:47] <sabhain> thanks for reply.  Is it on the chopping block?
[20:47] <tgm4883> sabhain, no, it just wasnt' converted to MCC-revamp
[20:47] <tgm4883> the dev got busy with life
[20:48] <sabhain> that be laga?
[20:48] <HeMan> sabhain: just looking into creating a diskless setup by hade
[20:48] <HeMan> *hand
[20:48] <sabhain> I'll have to go back and find my notes, the MCC stuff was a little buggy at the time I did it (first with 7.10), so my recollection is that I did it by hand.
[20:48] <tgm4883> sabhain, yea
[20:51] <sabhain> laga was always supremely helpful.
[20:52] <sabhain> HeMan: diskless is really quick.  My first setup was to boot from flash with root mounted on NFS .. and that was pretty clean.  But the diskless was enough faster that it was worth the PIA.
[20:54] <sabhain> by quick I mean .. bootup, usage .. etc.  Not *necessarily* the initial setup.  It's been a long time since I did it, and haven't really touched it in 30 months or so.  I've been dragging my feet on upgrading, but might get a HD-PVR .. so I need to get to .22 at least
[20:55] <HeMan> sabhain: I've ben running it on earlier versions but I've updated my frontend to 64 bit and the gui doesn't have the tool to create it in 10.04
[20:58] <sabhain> it was all chroot stuff wasn't it?  seems like it was mostly running a script?  I had pretty identical hardware across 3 FE's .. so it wasn't that bad.
[21:09] <HeMan> sabhain: http://www.xpmediacentre.com.au/community/linux-general-setup-support-discussion/41765-mythbuntu-diskless-front-ends-everywhere.html explains it pretty good
[21:09] <Zinn> [www.xpmediacentre.com.au]
[21:10] <HeMan> sabhain: the issue is to give --mythbuntu --mythbuntu-user-credentials "newuser":"userpassword" to ltsp-build-client
[21:13] <sabhain> HeMan: thanks for the link!  That brings me back quickly.  I'm a couple of weeks from pulling the trigger, but needed to start reading up so that downtime is minimized.  WAF at a consistent high .. don't want to risk it.
[21:14] <HeMan> sabhain: I virtualized my backend and uses lvm snapshots so that I can test the upgrade without any downtimes
[21:14] <HeMan> sabhain: that's a lifesaver when your kids also is depending on it...
[21:16] <HeMan> hmm, I should have used my proxy, now everything has to go by ADSL instead of gbit...
[21:17] <sabhain> HeMan: yep .. kids also.  My problem is that I never was able to get FCC mandated Firewire working on my STB, so I'm paying for digital cable, but only piping HD OTA (HDHR) and analog cable into mythbuntu.
[21:17] <HeMan> sabhain: ok
[21:17] <sabhain> HeMan: I really need to get off my tail and pipe the output of the STB into myth, and add the Hulu and some of the newer stuff in.
[21:18] <sabhain> I figure that adding the 20 or 30 new HD channels into the system will buy me another 2-4 years of peaked WAF.
[21:18] <HeMan> sabhain: I have similar problem, but here it is the DVB-T reception that isn't that great
[21:19] <sabhain> Only downtime was when my one year old reprogrammed my snapstream firefly .. and it took me a couple of weeks to sort it out.  We had a keyboard on the mantle .. everyone figured out what the keystrokes were within a few days.
[21:19] <HeMan> sabhain: It's good enough to get the EPG but not the programs
[21:20] <sabhain> HeMan: that's not good.  OTA here is the best HD you can get.  I watch mosquitoes humping on PBS just because it's really clear.
[21:20] <HeMan> sabhain: :)
[21:20] <dewman> sabhain, hahahahaha
[21:21] <dewman> that was a good one...
[21:22] <conda> Whenever I try to delete files in mythvideo it always says failed to delete file
[21:28] <sabhain> HeMan: reading through that link reminded me of one thing I always did different.  I have the DHCP setup on the router, not the backend.  It was a little tricky at first, but I don't want to bring the whole house's WAN access down if my backend is down or needs to be serviced.  I'm in the habit of using the DDWRT to set static IP's for all machines anyway .. so that was easy.  Then I think there was some redirect stuff
[21:28] <sabhain> that you can add right to the DDWRT which makes the backend dhcp stuff unnecessary.
[21:29] <HeMan> sabhain: me too, I'm using openwrt on the router
[21:30] <sabhain> HeMan: right, me too .. if I recall, there was a big thread over at ubuntuforums that detailed the router setup for the network booting.  My only headache at the time was getting the diskless server stuff to play nicely with my MVPMC stuff.  They used different versions of one of the services.
[21:31] <HeMan> sabhain: ok
[21:31] <HeMan> sabhain: I have my phone "netbooting" (loading configuration) so I have to have special rules for that
[21:33] <sabhain> I struggled big time with it, but the source of the troubles was that mvpmc was sort of old and not up to date.  I can't remember which service it was, but it just wouldn't accept commands from the updated mythbuntu version.
[21:42] <sabhain> HeMan: this was the big laga thread back when I last messed with this.  I think the router based PXE stuff is on page 22 or so.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=711079
[21:42] <Zinn> [ubuntuforums.org] [8.04] Mythbuntu-diskless: Testers wanted! - Ubuntu Forums
[21:42] <HeMan> sabhain: ok
[21:43] <HeMan> bleh, why do I always forget to use screen when doing these kind of slow jobs?
[21:44] <conda> Whenever I try to delete files in mythvideo it always says "failed to delete file". anyone know why it says this?
[21:48] <tgm4883> conda, sounds like permissions issues
[21:48] <tgm4883> are the files owned by mythtv?
[21:51] <conda> no the user
[21:55] <tgm4883> conda, it has to be owned by the mythtv group in order for mythtv to delete it
[21:55] <conda> i will try changing it
[21:56] <conda> no it still doesnt work
[21:58] <tgm4883> what is the full path to the file?
[21:58] <conda> nvm it does work thanks
[21:58] <tgm4883> yw
[22:01] <conda> why doesnt giving write access to other users work?
[22:02] <conda> chown -h
[23:17] <jreppiks> hello all, I have a haupauge hvr-2250 and I'm trying to get it to see my dish network receiver,  and it seems no matter what setting I do, it will not see the receiver.  I know there are some limitiations with the tunner,  any thoughts on how it should be connected? Copper vs. S-video?  Set up for input connections?
[23:31] <chiluk> jreppiks
[23:31] <chiluk> I also have a 2250 and last I checked the analog tuners in it do not have drivers yet.
[23:32] <chiluk> http://www.kernellabs.com/blog/?page_id=17
[23:32] <Zinn> [www.kernellabs.com] SAA7164 Linux Driver – KernelLabs.com
[23:33] <chiluk> jreppiks I hope that doesn't come as too much of a disappointment
[23:36] <jreppiks> I could have sworn that I saw someone on a post a long long timer ago (should have book marked it) that was using the 2250 w/ DN
[23:46] <mrand> 2250 doesn't support analog it appears.  only digital
[23:49] <jreppiks> so only over the air is what you're saying...
[23:49] <silverdulcet> jreppiks: and Clear QAM cable channels
[23:50] <chiluk> right...
[23:50] <chiluk> does anyone know if the 2250 driver is integrated into 10.04?
[23:50] <chiluk> that might be worth the upgrade alone.
[23:50] <silverdulcet> chiluk: yes it is, just need to download the firmware
[23:52] <chiluk> nice .. is the firmware in a package somewhere?
[23:53] <silverdulcet> I don't think so, you have to extract it, I believe there is a howto on linuxtv.org
[23:53] <Zinn> [linuxtv.org] LinuxTV.org - Television with Linux
[23:53] <chiluk> yeah I've been extracting it all along.
[23:54] <chiluk> I'm excited not to have to build it for once though,
[23:56] <silverdulcet> hmm, I upgraded my mythbuntu 9.10 install to 0.23 via the autobuilds repo and now mythwelcome hangs at 10 seconds, it looks like mythshutdown is hanging in the mythbackend log
[23:58] <silverdulcet> mythshutdown: Could not initialize myth context. Exiting.
[23:58] <silverdulcet> and there is some stuff about not being able to connect to the database, but recording and playing previous recordings works fine.


[12:16] <xerosis> how hard would bug #44778 be to fix?
[12:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 44778 in kdebase "kpager: 'Launch pager' seems to do nothing" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44778
[12:19] <fdoving> xerosis: works for me.
[12:19] <xerosis> do you have kpager installed?
[12:19] <fdoving> yes.
[12:20] <xerosis> default gutsy doesn't have kpager installed
[12:21] <fdoving> yeah, that's right, it doesn't use kdebase, like i always do.
[12:21] <xerosis> so it'd be nice to either grey it out, or remove it if it's not installed
[12:21] <fdoving> add the package as a depend is the easiest.
[12:22] <xerosis> that's out of my area...
[12:26] <giangy> fdoving: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146605
[12:26] <ubotu> KDE bug 146605 in general "Kicker fails to add Icon= value on .desktop files" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[12:27] <fdoving> confirmed.
[12:29] <giangy> thanks
[01:23] <mhb> fdoving: hi
[01:23] <fdoving> mhb: hi.
[01:25] <mhb> fdoving: the fix to bug 108870 will most likely be deprecated with gdebi-kde
[01:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108870 in kubuntu-default-settings "[Feisty regression]  install two or more debian files with right click on them and install doesn't work" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108870
[01:25] <fdoving> mhb: when is that finished?
[01:27] <mhb> fdoving: if all goes well then at the end of this month.
[01:27] <fdoving> good :)
[01:27] <fdoving> the fixed scripts are there anyway. i did them long time ago.
[01:28] <fdoving> didn't make it into feisty because ri.dell found the wrong bugreport, with the wrong fix, dupe of course.
[01:28] <mhb> heh, sorry to hear that. I wanted to let you know that you don't have to work on those anymore :o)
[01:29] <fdoving> finshed, tested, and confirmed to work well :)
[01:30] <fdoving> mhb: will the gdebi-kde executable be named gdebi-kde? - 'kdebi' would be a nice alias/symlink/name.
[01:32] <mhb> fdoving: it's not set in stone, but there's the "gdebi" CLI, then the "gdebi-gtk" GNOME interface, so "gdebi-kde" seems natural
[01:33] <fdoving> you know, all kde apps start with a k :)
[01:33] <fdoving> most.. anyway. :)
[01:34] <mhb> I KNow
[01:34] <fdoving> gdebi depends on gnome-icon-theme
[01:34] <fdoving> is that neccessary for a cli thing?
[01:35] <mhb> fdoving: the "gdebi" package contains both the CLI and the GNOME frontend
[01:35] <fdoving> ouch.
[01:35] <fdoving> so, what is gdebi-gtk for?
[01:36] <fdoving> ah.
[01:36] <fdoving> nevermind.
[01:36] <fdoving> gdebi-core is /usr/bin/gdebi
[01:36] <fdoving> gdebi is /usr/bin/gdebi-gtk
[01:36] <fdoving> kdebi /usr/bin/kdebi
[01:36] <fdoving> :)
[01:36] <mhb> heh :o)
[01:38] <fdoving> we could use gdebi already.
[01:39] <fdoving> instead of dpkg in that script.
[01:39] <fdoving> install gdebi-core, it installs without fetching any depends on a clean gutsy.
[01:41] <mhb> yeah, we could...but now it is kind of pointless .o)
[01:42] <fdoving> in a month, yeah :)
[01:42] <fdoving> need to add gdebi-core anyway, right?
[01:42] <mhb> I presume so
[01:42] <mhb> yes
[01:43] <fdoving> ouch, hardcoded paths.
[01:44] <fdoving>  /home/martin/processing/soc/gdebi-kde/branch/gdebi-kde/gdebi-kde: :)
[01:45] <mhb> fdoving: someone's been checking code that's not supposed to work :o)
[01:45] <fdoving> who, me? :)
[01:46] <fdoving> the commit messages says it was able to install a package :)
[01:46] <mhb> fdoving: nothing about all stuff in PATH, though
[01:47] <fdoving> mhb: how does translations work in python?
[01:48] <mhb> fdoving: it's gettext like everywhere else, you can say
[01:48] <fdoving> ok.
[01:48] <fdoving> no i18n, like c++.
[01:49] <mhb> fdoving: hmm, no you got me
[01:49] <mhb> now
[01:50] <mhb> fdoving: gettext works.
[01:50] <fdoving> ok, i just noticed you didn't use tr() or i18n().
[01:51] <fdoving> i know powermanager uses tr() in python.
[01:51] <mhb> hmm, true
[01:51] <mhb> fdoving: thanks for the point. I think both are available, but I don't know the difference.
[01:52] <fdoving> and mvo doesn't use tr() in the rest of gdebi.
[01:54] <RadiantFire> I worked on a program in python and we used gettext _()
[01:54] <RadiantFire> not sure what was up with that
[01:54] <RadiantFire> but it worked
[01:54] <fdoving> i'm sure it works perfectly.
[01:55] <fdoving> i don't know python at all.
[01:55] <RadiantFire> gasp! you sin against the ubuntu gods!
[01:55] <RadiantFire> ;-)
[01:55] <fdoving> ubuntu.py 7.10 :)
[01:55] <fdoving> kubuntu.cpp 7.10 :)
[01:55] <fdoving> well.. i need to go sleep a little.
[01:55] <fdoving> nite.
[01:56] <RadiantFire> nite
[01:56] <fdoving> mhb: keep up the good work, looks promising even though you had a hardcoded path in there, i found it :)
[01:57] <mhb> fdoving: yeah, I'm kicking those tiny evil gnomes out right now
[01:57] <RadiantFire> laters mhb
[01:57] <mhb> RadiantFire: goodnight
[01:58] <RadiantFire> time to go sleep on my ideas... or perhaps fold laundry on them
[01:58] <RadiantFire> but that can be put off too :-)
[02:01] <mhb> RadiantFire: good luck with that :o)
[02:20] <Riddell> manchicken|away: I have been keeping my changes in your branch in KDE's subversion
[02:34] <jjesse> stupid question for kde 3.5.7 on feisty what do i have to differently?
[04:50] <Jucato> jjesse: are you there?
[04:58] <nixternal> oi oi
[08:49] <Hobbsee> fdoving: if you're going to milestone things, then either find someone who's going to fix them, and assign it as such, or fix it yourself, and assign it as such.
[08:49] <Hobbsee> fdoving: please dont assign to kubuntu-team - it doesnt actually do anything.
[08:50] <Hobbsee> fdoving: and i will hunt you when we get close to tribe 2, for the bugs you've marked as milestone, but havent fixed - either by delegation, or action.
[08:51] <Hobbsee> oh wait, we dont even install kdebase
[08:56] <Hobbsee> fdoving: i'm also assuming that you'll do a full debdiff for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/108870 - i'll sponsor it for you, if you like
[08:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108870 in kubuntu-default-settings "[Feisty regression]  install two or more debian files with right click on them and install doesn't work" [Low,In progress]
[08:57] <Jucato> Hobbsee: we have the desktop pager kicker applet. but not the standalone kpager app
[08:58] <Jucato> sigh... looks like I'll have to settle for CGI:IRC later.... :(
[08:59] <Hobbsee> Jucato: oh interesting.  i wonder why.
[08:59] <Hobbsee> okay, kubuntu-default-settings package looks simple
[09:01] <nixternal> oi oi
[09:02] <nixternal> rm -C from the aspell stuff where it is...I am guessing somewhere in k-d-s
[09:02] <Hobbsee> !codecs
[09:02] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:02] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hrm?
[09:03] <nixternal> there is a boog, where catdog is actually correctly spelled because we ship aspell with the -C flag
[09:03] <nixternal> -C meaning run-together is good
[09:05] <Jucato> well, I'm off. see youz laterz :)
[09:09] <Hobbsee> nixternal: poke
[09:09] <nixternal> yup
[09:09] <Hobbsee> nixternal: the documentation is failing me here
[09:09] <Hobbsee> nixternal: what packages do you need for all the restricted stuff?
[09:09] <Hobbsee> like, mp3, dvd, etc
[09:10] <nixternal> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[09:10] <nixternal> there is a lot
[09:10] <Hobbsee> tell me which ones we still need - as thta's what i'm looking at
[09:10] <nixternal> libdvdread, libxine-extracodecs, liblame? ummmm
[09:10] <Hobbsee> Currently, the proposed apps to go into kubuntu-restricted-extras, are:
[09:10] <Hobbsee> *  libxine1-plugins (libxine1-ffmpeg replaces libxine-extracodecs, and is a dependancy of libxine1-plugins)
[09:10] <Hobbsee> *  flashplugin-nonfree
[09:10] <Hobbsee> *  sun-java6-plugin
[09:10] <Hobbsee> *  libdvdread3
[09:10] <Hobbsee> liblame?
[09:11] <nixternal> dunno why libxine1-plugins would be needed...the libxine-extracodecs would..that gives you mp3 support
[09:11] <Hobbsee> how much is that used?
[09:11] <Hobbsee> replaced by libxine-ffmpeg, which is a dep of -plugins
[09:11] <nixternal> liblame is used for ripping mp3s
[09:12] <nixternal> ahhh, so extracodecs are replaced...gotcha
[09:12] <Hobbsee> do you need lame, or liblame?
[09:12] <Hobbsee> oh ick
[09:13] <nixternal> dunno..I don't use either...I rip everything to ogg vorbis
[09:13] <Hobbsee> sent to ML to ask for discussion
[09:15] <Hobbsee> i'd really prefer not to hardcode a deb on liblame0 :P
[09:15] <fdoving> Hobbsee: for two of the bugs the solution is posted in comments, the third is 6 letters in debian/control, i can debdiff it or commit it to the kubuntu-default-settings bzr.
[09:15] <Hobbsee> fdoving: either is good.
[09:15] <Hobbsee> fdoving: bzr's better, come to think of it, i guess
[09:17] <fdoving> Hobbsee: but, i'm not sure i will, as mhb is making gdebi-kde, which makes my hack obsolete.
[09:18] <Hobbsee> fdoving: when will it be finished by?
[09:18] <Hobbsee> (we can always revert - although hacks can bring more bugs in)
[09:18] <fdoving> Hobbsee: i won't do anything about kpager, that's 6 letters, doesn't qualify for a debdiff. could have commited it if kubuntu-meta was managed in bzr. but it's not.
[09:18] <fdoving> Hobbsee: he said ~end of this month to me last night.
[09:18] <Hobbsee> fdoving: it's seed based, anyway.
[09:18] <Hobbsee> fdoving: okay, cool
[09:19] <Hobbsee> fdoving: seeds and such gets tricky - adn it is in bzr.
[09:19] <Hobbsee> (and you need to be in core to be able to commit to it)
[09:19] <fdoving> i know, i have them checkedout.
[09:21] <fdoving> Hobbsee: but the seeds are just a list of packages, the depends will be auto-added. so, if you update kubuntu-desktop to depend on kpager, it'll be added to the cd without modifying the seeds.
[09:21] <fdoving> isn't it?
[09:21] <Hobbsee> from what i understand, you've either got it around the wrong way, or you're trying to do something really crackful.
[09:22] <Hobbsee> you modify the seeds, commit to bzr, run the update script from kubuntu-meta, and it autogenerates from there.
[09:22] <fdoving> yep.
[09:22] <Hobbsee> not the other way around
[09:24] <Hobbsee> so if you're suggesting just adding to the control file...
[09:25] <Hobbsee> i more meant the other 2, with solutions posted in comments, but not a full debdiff / upload for it
[09:25] <fdoving> i'm suggesting it will be auto-added as a depend.
[09:25] <Hobbsee> in fact, if you're in kubuntu-members, youshould be able to commit to k-d-s...
[09:25] <fdoving> i am.
[09:26] <fdoving> ok, but i'll stop touching bugs. i really don't have time to finish everything, posting the solution should make it easy for others to debdiff->upload. if you don't want me to do it i'll do something else.
[09:27] <fdoving> i was thinking of milestoing as a way to show others this bug has a solution and should it should be included before release X.
[09:28] <fdoving> If i did everything myself milestoning wasn't neccesary, i would know when i needed to upload it.
[09:30] <Hobbsee> fdoving: sorry, i'm not griping at you for milestoning - my problem is that you've assigned them to kubuntu team, which doesnt actually do anything.
[09:30] <Hobbsee> it's fine to say "the patch is there, hobbsee, please find someone to take care of it" or wahtever
[09:30] <Hobbsee> i see them with release engineering stuff nayway
[09:30] <Hobbsee> and i didnt want to duplicate, or get others to duplicate your work
[09:30] <Hobbsee> fdoving: that was all
[09:32] <Hobbsee> fdoving: the bug stuff is cool - dont give it up :)
[09:32] <fdoving> i won't, you can make the debdiff if you like the solution :)
[09:33] <Hobbsee> it's like assigning to ubuntu bugs.  "ubuntu bugs will do this work"  "yes, but who is ubuntu bugs?"  "a team with a mailing list.  it's been proven that teams often dont do the work, it's usually an individual person that does"
[09:33] <fdoving> then i can continue reading my Qt4 book.
[09:33] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:33] <fdoving> i know kubuntu-team doesn't do much work, but assigning to it puts it in a nice list in launchpad.
[09:34] <fdoving> not assigned to joe random-reported that doesn't know what assigning means.
[09:34] <Hobbsee> yeah, that too.  twitch.
[09:34] <Hobbsee> :P
[09:37] <Hobbsee> errr, flash-plugin is getting thrown out of ubuntu, isnt it?
[09:37] <Hobbsee> flashplugin-nonfree
[09:37] <fdoving> is it? - i have no clue.
[09:39] <Hobbsee> there was talk on kubuntu-users@ about it
[09:39] <Hobbsee> iirc
[09:47] <crimsun> blink?
[09:47] <Hobbsee> hi crimsun
[09:47] <Hobbsee> crimsun: as in, from a canonical employee.
[09:49] <crimsun> sorry, meaning a Canonical employee stated it?
[09:51] <Hobbsee> crimsun: hmm.  perhpas not.  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2007-June/017541.html
[09:51] <Hobbsee> oh sorry, that's acroread
[09:51] <Hobbsee> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2007-June/017446.html
[09:51] <Hobbsee> crimsun: dont mind me.
[10:13] <crimsun> I'm a bit perplexed, though.
[10:13] <crimsun> I wonder if those items will be repackaged and placed in -commercial.
[10:14] <crimsun> Isn't this what CnR was supposed to offer?
[10:14] <Hobbsee> you'd think so
[10:29] <fdoving> Hobbsee: want to make a k-d-s upload if i commit the changes to fix #108870 ?
[10:30] <Hobbsee> bug 108870
[10:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108870 in kubuntu-default-settings "[Feisty regression]  install two or more debian files with right click on them and install doesn't work" [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108870
[10:30] <Hobbsee> sure
[10:37] <fdoving> Hobbsee: commited.
[10:38] <fdoving> to https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu
[10:43] <Hobbsee> cool
[10:44] <Hobbsee> oh woo.
[10:44] <Hobbsee> i dont actually have the bzr tree downloaded
[10:46] <fdoving> it's huge for some reason.
[10:47] <fdoving> as in ~22M for text files.
[10:47] <fdoving> .bzr history is 14M.
[10:47] <Hobbsee> sheesh
[10:50] <Hobbsee> i wonder what on aerth is in there, if there's so much
[11:24] <fdoving> history of the package, anything commited and later removed.
[11:48] <xerosis> is there anywhere easy bugs to fix are listed?
[11:48] <Hobbsee> usually they're tagged with "bitesize"
[11:49] <Hobbsee> but people seem to fix them faster than tagging mroe of them"
[11:49] <xerosis> makes sense
[11:51] <xerosis> i'm just looking for some easy hacking as my coding is okay, but i'm not that familiar with qt
[11:54] <Hobbsee> ahh, well fi you're looking for qt stuff to do, then that's not going to be in bitesize anyway
[11:55] <xerosis> well, not neccessarily qt, just want to fix some bugs :)
[11:56] <Hobbsee> hrm
[11:56] <Hobbsee> well, one asnwer is "find a metapackage of kde, look for something interesting to fix"
[11:57] <xerosis> that is what i am doing :)
[12:02] <mhb> Hobbsee: we should include the required plugins for k3b into k-r-e
[12:02] <mhb> Hobbsee: the mp3 encoding ones
[12:02] <Hobbsee> mhb: got a list of what they are?
[12:02] <Hobbsee> either here or on hte ML
[12:02] <mhb> Hobbsee: I'll post on the ML
[12:03] <Hobbsee> cool
[02:32] <Arby> does anyone know if there are known issues with grub following the latest (feisty) kernel update?
[02:32] <Arby> I have 2.6.20-16 installed and it appears in menu.lst
[02:32] <Arby> but it doesn't appear as an option in grub menu at boot
[02:33] <Arby> just wondering if this is a bug or something wrong with my setup
[02:36] <Arby> rebooting, brb
[03:01] <Arby> !patebin
[03:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about patebin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:01] <Arby> !pastebin
[03:01] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:56] <persia> Is there a Kubuntu equivalent to update-manager?  If so, what is it called?
[04:57] <xerosis> persia: adept_updater?
[04:58] <persia> xerosis: Thanks a lot.
[05:02] <apachelogger> xerosis: is that thing still not using pythong and the ubuntu-update-manager backend?
[05:02] <apachelogger> s/pythong/python
[05:04] <xerosis> apachelogger: just thought the question was more superficial
[05:05] <apachelogger> xerosis: :P
[05:06] <apachelogger> actually I consider learning python, just because of beloved kubuntu :)
[05:06] <apachelogger> <-- ruby nerd
[05:06] <xerosis> it's a nice langauge :)
[05:06] <apachelogger> ruby is nicer imo ;-)
[05:06] <xerosis> looked at ruby but didn't really have much use for it :p
[05:06] <apachelogger> other way round for me
[05:07] <apachelogger> but hey, difference is not that big
[05:07] <xerosis> coming from java, everything is a nice change...
[05:07] <apachelogger> ^_^
[05:08] <xerosis> afaict, adept only used app-install, nothing from ubuntu-update
[05:13] <RadiantFire> you don't live java?
[05:13] <RadiantFire> er, lik
[05:13] <RadiantFire> e
[05:24] <xerosis> i quite like it, just doing it for 2 solid years and hardly anything else melts your brain :p
[05:34] <RadiantFire> this is true
[05:34] <RadiantFire> the worst is randomly switching back and for between python and java now
[05:41] <jjesse> jucato were you looking for me?
[05:43] <Arby> are there known problems with utf_8 encoding in feisty?
[05:43] <Arby> I'm triaging bugs and have found several that traceback to ' File "encodings/utf_8.py", line 16, in decode'
[05:44] <Arby> followed by variations on UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode bytes in position 29-30: invalid data
[05:44] <Arby> bug 118576 is one example
[05:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118576 in adept "properties crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118576
[06:47] <Jucato> Tm_T: are you there? :(
[06:47] <Arby> does adept support displaying developer changelogs?
[06:48] <Arby> the changelog tab under $package > details is blank
[06:48] <Jucato> Arby: as of Feisty, yes
[06:48] <Arby> Jucato: seems to be broken for me
[06:48] <Arby> the developer changelog tab is blank
[06:48] <Arby> for all packages it seems
[06:49] <Arby> Jucato: does it work for you?
[06:49] <Jucato> hm... it takes a bit of time to download the changelog
[06:49] <Arby> well I've been waiting about 15-20 min so far
[06:50] <Arby> I was trying to reproduce bug 119089
[06:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119089 in adept "Unable to fetch the Developer Changelog" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119089
[06:53] <rbrunhuber> Where should i report tribe 1 bugs?
[06:54] <rbrunhuber> I found 3 now.
[06:55] <Jucato> Arby: I can't reliably reproduce it now because of my internet connection. I'll try when I get home
[06:55] <Arby> Jucato: OK thanks
[06:56] <Arby> Jucato: I tried running adept from terminal output is here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25012/
[06:56] <Arby> anything obviously wrong in that?
[06:56] <Arby> rbrunhuber: just file them in launchpad as normal
[06:57] <rbrunhuber> ok. I'll do
[06:57] <Arby> maybe mark them [Gutsy tribe1]  'blah' or something
[06:57] <Jucato> rbrunhuber: you could also probably try asking in #ubuntu+1
[06:59] <Tm_T> Jucato: pong
[07:00] <Tm_T> I plugged my phone in, connected with kppp, apt-get dist-upgrade says: Fetched 44.7MB in 51s (868kB/s)
[07:02] <rbrunhuber> Tm_T : I want a phone like this too :-).
[07:04] <Tm_T> well, I noticed that there's no activity in kppp
[07:04] <Tm_T> looks like I have had adsl online from friday or earlier
[07:05] <Tm_T> Jucato: WHAAAAT!
[07:05] <Tm_T> that was scary
[07:17] <Tm_T> why I still have kppp active
[09:21] <marseillai> hi
[09:22] <marseillai> a question! i've upgrade kima package with new upstream release. i have to send it to revu?
[09:32] <mhb> 2
[09:32] <mhb> (sorry)
[10:07] <_StefanS_> evening
[10:11] <Arby> hi _StefanS_
[10:11] <_StefanS_> anything happening, or usual slow sunday ? :)
[10:14] <Arby> usual slow sunday :)
[10:14] <Arby> brief bits of noise interspersed with long periods of silence :)
[10:15] <Arby> so I'm passing my time trying to squash bugs
[10:23] <fdoving> evening.
[10:26] <_StefanS_> hi fdoving
[10:26] <fdoving> hi stefans.
[10:27] <_StefanS_> a fellow viking.
[10:28] <fdoving> yep :)
[10:50] <fdoving> _StefanS_: i guess it's special, i've switched to the liberation fonts by redhat.
[10:50] <fdoving> used to use tahoma for everything, as it rocks.
[10:50] <Tm_T> yuk
[10:51] <_StefanS_> fdoving: is the liberation thingys good?
[10:51] <_StefanS_> Tm_T: I think dejavu is too big and not very nice to look at
[10:51] <fdoving> _StefanS_: i'm not annoyed by them, so the answer must be yes.
[10:51] <_StefanS_> fdoving: got a .deb for 'em?
[10:51] <Tm_T> _StefanS_: too big?
[10:51] <fdoving> _StefanS_:  no, i just installed them to ~/.fonts/
[10:51] <_StefanS_> Tm_T: yes, the kerning is not really my liking, they are far too wide
[10:52] <Tm_T> oki
[10:52] <_StefanS_> a matter of taste really ;)
[10:52] <Tm_T> I mostly use monospace fonts
[10:52] <_StefanS_> like everything
[10:52] <Tm_T> so...
[10:52] <_StefanS_> uhm ok
[10:52] <fdoving> _StefanS_: https://www.redhat.com/promo/fonts/
[10:52] <_StefanS_> thnx
[10:53] <Tm_T> _StefanS_: you know, I have ~20 terminal sessions open in my desktops
[10:53] <_StefanS_> Tm_T: ick, thats alot :)
[10:53] <Tm_T> it's not
[10:53] <fdoving> luckily konsole can have tabs.
[10:53] <_StefanS_> Tm_T: I mean, I like terminals, but I have a habit of always closing them for each command almost, might be better to them sticking around
[10:53] <fdoving> i usually have 3, with a bunch of tabs.
[10:54] <_StefanS_> yes 3 is usually enough
[10:54] <Tm_T> fdoving: I use tabs ofcourse
[10:54] <_StefanS_> ah cant wait to get my two new 200gb sata disks :D
[10:54] <Tm_T> I have, hmm, 6 Konsole open atm
[10:55] <fdoving> Tm_T: do you count tabs?
[10:56] <_StefanS_> fdoving: do you need to include them in xorg.conf?
[10:56] <_StefanS_> fdoving: the fonts i mean
[10:57] <fdoving> _StefanS_: not at all, put them in ~/.fonts/ and run 'fc-cache -f'
[10:57] <_StefanS_> ok
[10:57] <_StefanS_> forgot about that fc-cache thingy ;)
[10:57] <fdoving> spoiled by GUIs :)
[10:57] <_StefanS_> probably :D
[10:57] <_StefanS_> you get lazy after a while hehe
[10:58] <fdoving> yeah, i've noticed that too.
[10:58] <fdoving> use for loops for everything.
[10:58] <Tm_T> fdoving: every tab is terminal session
[10:59] <_StefanS_> wow they're actually pretty nice
[11:00] <_StefanS_> fdoving: thanks for the tip, I think they're a good replacement actually
[11:00] <_StefanS_> brb
[11:00] <fdoving> tm_t: then i have 8. :)
[11:02] <_StefanS_> back..
[11:02] <_StefanS_> the monospace is cool too I think
[11:04] <fdoving> _StefanS_: yes, i use that too.
[11:33] <xerosis> any macbook users?
[12:10] <mhb> xerosis: oh yes
[12:10] <mhb> xerosis: here is one
[12:10] <xerosis> mhb: works nice with kubuntu?
[12:11] <danimo> does anyone know how why some of my partitions do not have entries in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ ?
[12:11] <mhb> xerosis: works rather nicely
[12:12] <mhb> xerosis: although there are several glitches I found
[12:12] <mhb> xerosis: minor ones, though
[12:12] <xerosis> mhb: excellent, just bought one fairly spontaneously, figured i should check it worked alright
[12:12] <xerosis> mhb: what are they?
[12:13] <mhb> xerosis: the wireless card is behaving weirdly sometimes (reconnecting once per 10 minutes), the brightness keys dont work, when you use the "mute" key it wont mute...
[12:14] <xerosis> mhb: i can live with those
[12:14] <xerosis> mhb: did you keep a mac os partition?