[12:49] <pitti> hi
[12:50] <rodarvus> hi there
[12:50] <zul> hey pitti
[12:50] <zul> and rodarvus
[12:50] <rodarvus> hey pitti, zul
[12:52] <doko> hi
[12:54] <zyga> hi :)
[12:57] <Riddell> evening all
[12:58] <fschoep> Hello everyone.
[01:00] <sfllaw> Hello all!
[01:00] <iwj> Hello.
[01:00] <zul> hi
[01:00] <sfllaw> mdz asked me to moderate this meeting, because he's in an aeroport right now.
[01:00] <pitti> hey Simon
[01:01] <ogra> excuses !
[01:01] <Keybuk> that's hardly a "creative" excuse
[01:01] <sfllaw> I know.
[01:01] <ogra> theer are surely hotspots :)
[01:01] <sfllaw> Anyway, it feeds my lust for power.
[01:01] <sfllaw> So who am I to argue?
[01:01] <ogra> hehe
[01:01] <Keybuk> he wouldn't let us get away with that one
[01:01] <Keybuk> it'd be "well, dial in on your mobile then"
[01:02] <sfllaw> Has anyone seen heno?
[01:02] <ogra> hehe, yeah
[01:02] <Keybuk> did he even send in a report?!
[01:03] <sfllaw> BenC, Kamion, fschoep, Riddell, pitti, mvo, seb128: Ping!
[01:04] <seb128> sfllaw: pong
[01:04] <BenC> sfflaw: pong
[01:04] <mvo> hello
[01:04] <fschoep> sfllaw: pong
[01:04] <Riddell> I've ponged
[01:04] <Riddell> Kamion will be holidaying
[01:04] <Keybuk> sfllaw: Kamion is still on Holiday
[01:04] <sfllaw> Oh.
[01:04] <pitti> sfllaw: Kamion is still on holiday
[01:04] <pitti> Keybuk: /me takes a penalty card for being snapped
[01:04] <sfllaw> :)
[01:04] <Riddell> fschoep ponged too
[01:04] <BenC> sfllaw: Not sure if anyone told you, but Kamion is on holiday :)
[01:05] <sfllaw> doko: Ping.
[01:05] <sfllaw> BenC: StaffCalendar is not very reliable these days.
[01:05] <pitti> sfllaw: it's not supposed to be any more
[01:05] <pitti> sfllaw: canonicaladmin.com :)
[01:05] <Keybuk> sfllaw: are you using the canonicaladmin.com one
[01:05] <BenC> we have the mondo admin app now
[01:05] <pitti> Keybuk: snap!
[01:06] <doko> sfllaw: here from the beginning
[01:06] <iwj> So ... shall we go ?
[01:07] <sfllaw> Yup.
[01:07] <sfllaw> infinity?
[01:07] <infinity> sfllaw: I need about 5 mins.  Just woke up.  Sorry.
[01:07] <sfllaw> It's cool.
[01:07] <sfllaw> BenC?
[01:07] <BenC> * Implemented remainder of kernel side for apport.
[01:07] <BenC> * Implemented auto-module loading for speakup synth modules.
[01:07] <BenC> * Burned through a lot of kernel bugs.
[01:07] <BenC> * Benchmarked i386 and amd64 kernels. Result, kernels will be reduced to one generic of each of i386 and amd64, SMP enabled. Server kernels haven't changed. A -386 kernel will be retained as an alternate target for systems that need non-SMP capable (legacy) drivers.
[01:07] <BenC> * ia64 and hppa32 have been reduced to two SMP enabled kernels. The UP versions were removed.
[01:07] <BenC> * Lots of other trivial and not so trivial kernel stuff.
[01:07] <BenC> * Started implementing changes for Intel platforms: drm, e1000, scheduler fixups, iommu changes for IOAT.
[01:07] <BenC> * libata-for-all-disks: Pretty much stalled because of me. I think someone proposed some time for this at the distro-sprint, and it needs it. It's not hard, just needs some eyes and hands to get it done.
[01:08] <Keybuk> I did indeed propse time
[01:08] <Keybuk> randomly, I notice my ATA driver is still not in the list
[01:08] <Keybuk> (ALi -- FTB or some other reason?)
[01:08] <BenC> not all of them were turned on
[01:08] <BenC> some were "done, but never tested"
[01:09] <BenC> I honestly think that for edgy, we may not enable these drivers by default
[01:09] <BenC> but doing so in edgy+1 will be a lot easier
[01:10] <BenC> we should at least finish the UUID conversion regardless of the date of libata-for-all-disks
[01:10] <BenC> s/date/fate/
[01:10] <Keybuk> yeah; I'm inclined towards "edgy+1 when it's in mainline anyway" but have everything in place so that there's a switch in edgy they could throw if they wanted
[01:11] <BenC> right, I feel much better about that scenario too
[01:11] <Keybuk> ok, I'm done :p
[01:11] <sfllaw> Anyone else?
[01:12] <rodarvus> yes
[01:12] <rodarvus> BenC, the drm stuff you mention is the agpgart driver, right?
[01:12] <rodarvus> (the updates to it on intelinuxgraphics.org, I mean)
[01:12] <BenC> agp and drm
[01:12] <BenC> right
[01:12] <rodarvus> *nods*, thanks
[01:12] <doko> BenC: do you care about the misdn user tools, or should that somebody else?
[01:13] <BenC> are you doing the xorg side?
[01:13] <rodarvus> . o O ( we seriously need a machine with a i965g board )
[01:13] <rodarvus> BenC, its done, already
[01:13] <BenC> doko: Considering I don't have isdn, I would prefer someone else do it :)
[01:13] <BenC> rodarvus: excellent
[01:13] <rodarvus> I'll upload a new mesa later today, but it only has a minor fix
[01:13] <BenC> we have one such machine
[01:13] <BenC> it's in Montreal
[01:13] <BenC> we should bug jbailey about it
[01:13] <infinity> sfllaw: Kay, I guess I'm readyish now.
[01:13] <sfllaw> rodarvus: Or cr3.
[01:14] <rodarvus> cr3 said he didn't have one on his hands (but I might have read what he said incorrectly)
[01:14] <sfllaw> Perfect.  infinity?
[01:14] <infinity> Done:
[01:14] <infinity>  * build-failure-process: After many talks with cprov and some tests, this is rolled out in production, but not turned on, awaiting one final fix, which should be done today.
[01:14] <infinity>  * Spent lots of time this week with Team Soyuz, discussing their specs, discussing new and shiny bugs, and generally giving them gentle shoves in the directions we need.
[01:14] <infinity>  * General archive maintenance, NEW processing, etc.
[01:14] <infinity>  * Re-rolled, tested, published, and re-released the 6.06.1 Ubuntu Server CD for sparc.
[01:14] <infinity>  * General buildd maintenance, as usual.
[01:14] <infinity>  * Some random bugfixing, bootstrapping, and other faff not worth expanding.
[01:14] <infinity> To do:
[01:14] <infinity>  * While everyone is off sprinting, I intend to finish up what's left of larger-livefs, live-cd-stacked-filesystems, livefs-build-speedups, and debian-maintainer-field.  None have a great deal of work left, but all have some odd requirements here and there.
[01:14] <infinity>  * Need to put the pieces together with pitti to get ddebs off the buildds and onto rookery.
[01:14] <infinity>  * Need to do a couple dozen uploads for FTBFS issues to get edgy's out-of-date count back down to zero.
[01:15] <Keybuk> I got to 'p' in the NBS before I got bored
[01:15] <infinity> Awesome, thanks.
[01:15] <Riddell> NBS?
[01:15] <infinity> Not Built from Source.
[01:15] <infinity> ie: Removing old cruft.
[01:15] <Riddell> right
[01:16] <Riddell> infinity: are you coming to Wiesbeiden?
[01:16] <pitti> Riddell: Wiesbaden :)
[01:16] <Riddell> no, presume not from your update
[01:16] <Riddell> pitti: thingy
[01:16] <infinity> Nope.
[01:16] <Keybuk> UDMTW
[01:16] <pitti> Keybuk: Ubuntu Distro Meeting Thingy Wiesbaden?
[01:17] <Keybuk> that would work too
[01:17] <sfllaw> I just got a bug with an apport crash report.  It's sexy.
[01:17] <pitti> sfllaw: :)
[01:17] <Keybuk> I was just thinking of a Fawlty Towers scene
[01:17] <ogra> ugh
[01:17] <ogra> why did i read airport there ?
[01:18] <Keybuk> Irn Bru
[01:18] <Keybuk> of which, the only good thing that can be said is that it washes away the taste of the haggis
[01:18] <mvo> LOL
[01:18] <sfllaw> Any more questions for infinity?
[01:18] <ogra> hahaha
[01:18] <Keybuk> (actually, I rather like haggis, but anyway)
[01:18] <iwj> I think not judging by the conversation ...
[01:18] <pitti> infinity: happy to IRC meet with you next week for the ddeb stuff
[01:18] <pitti> infinity: (to do the rookery side)
[01:18] <infinity> pitti: Yeahp, will do.
[01:20] <Riddell> sfllaw: poke, do the clerking thing
[01:21] <pitti> Riddell: just go next :)
[01:21] <iwj> Yep, Riddell, go next.
[01:21] <Riddell> done:
[01:21] <Riddell>     kubuntu-hwdb: implemented
[01:21] <Riddell>     kubuntu-accessibility: implemented, just waiting on casper and gfxboot support from kamion/mithrandir
[01:21] <Riddell> todo:
[01:21] <Riddell>     kubuntu-edgy-package-manager: have a go at implementing commercial repository support in adept-installer
[01:22] <sfllaw_> Woah, sorry about that.
[01:22] <pitti> wb sfllaw_
[01:22] <Riddell> sfllaw: we're going without you
[01:22] <Keybuk> iwj: next :p
[01:22] <iwj> sfflaw_: Hello.  We decided to have Riddell next because he put his hand up.
[01:22] <sfllaw_> Nice.
[01:22] <pitti> Riddell: did you see any problems with langpacks-desktopfiles-kde?
[01:22] <mvo> Riddell: let me know if  I can do something for you there (commercial support)
[01:22] <iwj> Keybuk: I'll wait for us to finish with Riddell :-).
[01:23] <Riddell> pitti: seems to be working, although most of KDE needs recompiled to add it
[01:23] <pitti> cool
[01:23] <Riddell> mvo: we might also look at a kubuntu dist-upgrader at the sprint
[01:23] <mvo> Riddell: ok
[01:24] <mvo> Riddell: lets see how far we get with the support from python-konsole :)
[01:24] <Riddell> yep
[01:24] <Riddell> no kwwii this week, in the US
[01:24] <Riddell> I make it iwj next
[01:25] <iwj> firefox 2.0 beta merge: Finished.  Sorry for the mess last week.
[01:25] <iwj> LP `1.0' UI: Got involved in some discussions.  Not sure how fruitful it was.
[01:25] <iwj> automated-testing-deployment: No change since last week.
[01:25] <iwj> suggest-packages-for-filetypes: Not started.  I hope to discuss this briefly with mvo at the Sprint and implement it shortly after that; it doesn't look hard.
[01:25] <iwj> package-dependency-field-breaks: Following feedback after a deployment in firefox, it now seems that the changes to apt are an essential part of this.  I've started to understand the code for this.  If a ff theme package isn't available by late Friday I'll upload a firefox without Breaks to make the dependency problems go away, so that the theme ends up installed but silently broken.
[01:25] <doko> iwj: dselect aborts
[01:25] <iwj> doko: Coo.
[01:25] <iwj> Bug# ?
[01:26] <mvo> iwj: I would be interessted if you could let me know about the implementation plan in apt
[01:26] <fschoep> iwj: Are you waiting for me to do the FF2 theme (by tomorrow)?
[01:26] <iwj> mvo: I'll keep you posted.  I'm still reading code atm.
[01:26] <mvo> iwj: thanks
[01:26] <iwj> fschoep: I'm not really waiting on you, in that you're not blocking me.
[01:27] <doko> iwj: bug 56761
[01:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56761 in dpkg "dselect aborts on select" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/56761
[01:27] <fschoep> iwj: OK, that's fair - but it's kind of high prio, then?
[01:27] <iwj> fschoep: But the current situation wrt the Breaks in firefox is suboptimal and it needs to be made to go away either by having fixed themes or by changing firefox.
[01:27] <iwj> fschoep: So I agreed with mdz that if the theme wasn't ready by tomorrow I'd upload a new ff without Breaks.
[01:28] <iwj> fschoep: That has nearly no effect on you I think.
[01:28] <iwj> doko: Thanks.
[01:28] <fschoep> iwj: OK, when I finish the theme, it won't give you headaches if it's after tomorrow?
[01:28] <iwj> fschoep: No.
[01:28] <fschoep> iwj: OK, good to know.
[01:28] <iwj> But I think it would be good to have it sooner so we can test it, play with it, people can complain about things they don't like, etc.
[01:29] <iwj> doko: Ooo.  Thanks.  Will fix tomorrow.
[01:29] <fschoep> That's true, holds up for everything I think.
[01:29] <sfllaw> Any more quetsions for iwj?
[01:29] <iwj> doko: I know why that's happening and I should have thought of it ...
[01:30] <sfllaw> Right.  fschoep?
[01:30] <iwj> fschoep: Is it probably going to be after tomorrow ?  If so I can do the ff thing more or less straight away (after sleeping).
[01:30] <fschoep> Done:
[01:30] <fschoep>  * ubuntu-art-complete-highcontrast-icons, : find and document icons which need work
[01:30] <fschoep>  * starting up / assisting sound engineering, filtering proposals
[01:30] <fschoep>  * ubuntu-art-cd-dvd-artwork: communication with Jane / Kenneth on improving media package artwork
[01:30] <fschoep>  * attract some new active members to the artwork team
[01:30] <fschoep> Ongoing:
[01:30] <fschoep>  * art-polish-human-gtk-theme: summarize improvements, implement
[01:30] <fschoep> To-do:
[01:30] <fschoep>  * approve artwork production directions, then kick off production phase for community artwork
[01:30] <fschoep>  * update the Human icon priority list with the contents of the PDF to-do list
[01:30] <fschoep> iwj: yes, sorry to disappoint you.
[01:30] <iwj> fschoep: No problem; that doesn't cause me trouble.  It's good to know.  Thanks.
[01:32] <fschoep> Well... Anyone?
[01:32] <sfllaw> I suppose you were very clear!  :)
[01:32] <sfllaw> pitti?
[01:32] <pitti> Done:
[01:32] <pitti>  * automated-problem-reports:
[01:32] <pitti>   - some tweaks and bug fixes, added to ubuntu-desktop, announced to u-d-a
[01:32] <pitti>   - wrote tool for regenerating apport report backtraces with symbols
[01:32] <pitti>   - some thoughts how to improve the kernel<->apport protocol, to be discussed again at the sprint with BenC, seb128, and anyone else interested (registered slot on wiki page)
[01:32] <pitti>  * mentored Kees Cook for security updates
[01:32] <pitti>  * many pkg-create-dbgsym fixes
[01:32] <pitti>  * security updates: krb5, gnupg2, heartbeat, binutils, imagemagick
[01:32] <pitti>  * some general bug fixing
[01:33] <pitti>  * SoC project (apt-offline): horrible state, no way to get this ready by Monday; I deem the bounty failed, but maybe he'll continue working on it after Soc
[01:33] <pitti> To Do:
[01:33] <pitti>  * apt-get-debug-symbols: implement rookery side of ddeb cowboying once infinity finished the buildd side
[01:33] <pitti>  * have fun on distro sprint
[01:33] <pitti>  * vacation week!!!
[01:33] <Riddell> you're on holiday during distro sprint?
[01:33] <seb128> pitti: you are on VAC during the sprint? ;)
[01:33] <pitti> the week after
[01:34] <seb128> ah, ok ;)
[01:34] <sfllaw> The apport stuff looks very good.
[01:34] <iwj> I'm on holiday that week too.
[01:34] <pitti> seb128: of course not, we need to drink champagner together
[01:34] <sfllaw> It will make triaging a lot faster.
[01:34] <sfllaw> So thanks.
[01:34] <pitti> you're welcome :)
[01:34] <seb128> pitti: and schnaps too :p
[01:34] <infinity> pitti: Your update failed to mention if she said "yes".
[01:34] <pitti> let's hope that it'll get even better during the spring
[01:34] <pitti> s/g$/t/
[01:34] <pitti> infinity: she did!
[01:34] <sfllaw> pitti: Congrats!
[01:35] <pitti> http://www.piware.de/verlobung.jpg
[01:35] <mvo> CONGRATS pitti
[01:35] <infinity> pitti: See, that's the only news worth reporting. :)
[01:35] <pitti> thanks
[01:35] <zul> congrats
[01:35] <iwj> pitti: Excellent :-).
[01:35] <seb128> pitti: Congrats ;)
[01:35] <ajmitch> congrats pitti :)
[01:36] <sfllaw> doko?
[01:36] <pitti> so, as I threatened, prepare for champagner next week
[01:36] <doko> I was waiting for the champagne ...
[01:36] <doko> - this week
[01:36] <doko>   - edgy-toolchain: look at and finally find the cause for the gcc build
[01:36] <doko>     failures on powerpc, took too long.
[01:36] <doko>     state of edgy-toolchain: mostly implemented. remaining bugs/bits should
[01:36] <doko>     be addressed next week (libstdc++ link errors).
[01:36] <doko>   - some more tests with -mtune=generic, enabled now on i386 and amd64 in
[01:36] <doko>     gcc-4.1 and gcj-4.1.
[01:36] <doko>   - edgy+1-toolchain: look at the sparc biarch build failures in gcc-4.2
[01:36] <doko>     / gcc-snapshot; found it. the sparc developer machine is SLOW! where are
[01:36] <doko>     the niagaras?!
[01:36] <doko>   - java-roadmap: updated gcj-4.1, packaged gcj-4.2 with the new libgcj-bc;
[01:36] <doko>     rebuilt and updated required packages, updated java-gcj-compat,
[01:37] <doko>     updated and rebuilt the gnome java bindings (jni libraries), eclipse update
[01:37] <doko>     will need some UVF exceptions for java libraries.
[01:37] <doko>     some phone calls for packaging coordination.
[01:37] <doko>   - openoffice.org: OOo 2.0.4~m1 test build; would like to upload the 2.0.4rc1
[01:37] <doko>     to edgy (mdz?). glad to read the job offer for an OOo maintainer :)
[01:37] <doko>   - other: sun-java5 update; considering upload to dapper-updates after some
[01:37] <doko>     days.
[01:37] <doko>   - python-roadmap: no news
[01:37] <doko>   - python2.5: updated to python2.5~rc1, upload tomorrow
[01:37] <doko>   - other specs: no progress
[01:37] <doko> - next week
[01:37] <doko>   - stop uploading toolchain packages, the buildd's will need the time for OOo ;-)
[01:37] <doko>   - sprint: focus on toolchain bugs, java-roadmap, python2.5, ongoing OOo work.
[01:37] <pitti> wow, doko was really busy
[01:37] <infinity> Or just likes to type. :)
[01:38] <iwj> Oh, I'd just like to say:
[01:38] <sfllaw> doko: You'll have to talk to mdz when he gets back online.
[01:38] <iwj> ~++
[01:38] <pitti> well, -changes was full of dokoisms, too :)
[01:38] <sfllaw> Hey, hey!
[01:38] <sfllaw> Keep it down, boys.
[01:38] <doko> pitti: missed your fastjar updates ...
[01:38] <pitti> doko: no biggie, they are still on my list, too
[01:38] <doko> sfllaw: yes, maybe needs to wait until Monday
[01:38] <rodarvus> doko, regarding the OOo maintainer - have you talked with Pavel Janik? he is (or was) he biggest community contributer, back in my OOo time. Also he did some work for Novell, but it looks like he doesn't works there anymore (but I might be wrong)
[01:39] <rodarvus> I haven't talked with him, but I think he could be a great maintainer of OOo
[01:39] <Keybuk> what will doko do if he doesn't maintain OOo
[01:40] <doko> rodarvus: he's working on his own, and AFAIK all job offers are for full timers; I'be at OOoCon in September; hope to meet some people there
[01:40] <rodarvus> *nods*
[01:40] <doko> Keybuk: I'll find another office package ;)
[01:41] <mvo> doko: write one!
[01:41] <pitti> doko: you enjoy pain, don't you? :-P
[01:41] <sfllaw> Any other questions?
[01:41] <doko> pitti: yes, I love ssp ;-P
[01:41] <zul> i thought i was the one who enjoyed pain
[01:42] <pitti> zul: it's not limited to just one person, don't worry :)
[01:42] <sfllaw> mvo?
[01:42] <zul> pitti: oh ok...thank god
[01:42] <mvo> Did:
[01:42] <mvo> - apt:
[01:42] <mvo>   * merged ddtp support into apt, python-apt, synaptic, libapt-front, adept (rebuild aptitude too)
[01:42] <mvo>   * uploaded first ddtp tarball to the archive, a lp problem prevents full usage currently
[01:42] <mvo>   * added "--fix-policy" switch to apt (works like fix- borken and looks for not-satisfied recommends)
[01:42] <mvo>   * announced the --install-recommends support in apt
[01:42] <mvo> - gnome-app-install:
[01:42] <mvo>   * added better integration of the popcon data in gnome-app-install (sortable popularity column)
[01:42] <mvo>   * fix in the icon extraction code
[01:42] <mvo>   (should we enable it by default with next upload?)
[01:42] <mvo>   * work on the g-a-i cache (cPickle) branch (40% startup time reduction)
[01:42] <mvo> - gnome-system-tools/system-tools-backends work
[01:42] <mvo> - bug triage
[01:42] <mvo> - misc (update-manager, update-notifier, dist-upgrader, new realplayer dapper-commerical,apt)
[01:42] <mvo> Blocked:
[01:42] <mvo> * review of the "AlwaysEnableUniverseMultiverse" spec
[01:42] <mvo> Will do:
[01:43] <mvo> - devel meeting in wiesbaden
[01:43] <iwj> mvo: Thanks for that --auto-deconfigure change in apt, btw.
[01:43] <mvo> cheers
[01:43] <Riddell> mvo: anything I should look at with respect to AlwaysEnableUniverseMultiverse and adept?
[01:44] <mvo> Riddell: it is not accepted yet, I guess we can talk about it in wiesbaden
[01:44] <mvo> Riddell: there is a "plan b" in the spec :)
[01:44] <Riddell> ok
[01:45] <sfllaw> Questions?
[01:45] <iwj> mvo:
[01:45] <iwj> You have a bit of time at the sprint to talk about the suggest-packages-for-filetypes ?
[01:45] <iwj> You can tell me what you've done and I'll pick it up.
[01:46] <iwj> Shouldn't take too long.
[01:46] <mvo> iwj: I except so, yes. the gnome-app-install bits should be more or less done (modulo further startup optimizations)
[01:46] <iwj> Right.
[01:47] <sfllaw> ogra?
[01:47] <ogra> * this-week:
[01:47] <ogra>  - thinclient-local-devices many good changes in the implementation, nearly done, waiting for ltspfs/d MiR and promotion to main, floppy handling missing yet
[01:47] <ogra>  - student-control-panel-completion parts of the dbus interface implemented
[01:47] <ogra>  - gnome-screensaver update and bugfix
[01:47] <ogra> * next-week:
[01:47] <ogra>  - finish thinclient-local-devices
[01:47] <ogra>  - finish student-control-panel-completion
[01:47] <ogra>  - implement ltsp-dhcpd-autogeneration
[01:47] <ogra>  - start on fully-automatic-swap-server with rodarvus
[01:47] <ogra> * specs:
[01:47] <ogra>  - ltsp-dhcpd-autogeneration (started/suspended, resume planned before knot-2 to have it in there for testing)
[01:48] <ogra>  - student-control-panel-completion: (waiting for approval, slow progress)
[01:48] <ogra>  - ltsp-daily-image-tarballs: (in progress, scripts and tarballs available at http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltsp-tarballs/)
[01:48] <ogra>  - ltsp-convergence: (no progress, multi distro meeting sept. 14th-19th)
[01:48] <ogra>  - ltsp-netboot-enhancement: (no progress debian patches applied locally)
[01:48] <ogra>  - thinclient-local-devices (good progress)
[01:48] <ogra>  - fully-automatic-swap-server (no progress)
[01:48] <ogra>  - ltsp-login-and-session-handling (no progress yet)
[01:48] <ogra>  - edubuntu-xfce-desktop (no progress yet)
[01:49] <sfllaw> Questions?
[01:49] <pitti> ogra: let's sit together and finish the ltsp mount stuff
[01:49] <pitti> ogra: i. e. the suid mount wrapper and the gnome-vfs bug fix you wanted me to do
[01:50] <pitti> ogra: (next week)
[01:50] <ogra> pitti, sbalneav shuld have done the last bits ... i think he sent you the last changes
[01:50] <pitti> he did, will audit it tomorrow
[01:50] <ogra> yep
[01:50] <ogra> i thin its nearly done ...
[01:50] <ogra> *think
[01:51] <ogra> but lets sit down for the gnome-vfs stuff (also the cd thing is bothering me)
[01:51] <ogra> i'll bring my thin client and a bunch of local devcies ...
[01:51] <sbalneav> ogra: should we file a bug about g-v-m adding stuff in /tmp?
[01:52] <ogra> sbalneav, not if i'm working face to face with pitti on it anyway ;)
[01:52] <sbalneav> ah, ok :)
[01:52] <iwj> suid mount wrapper> Time for me to plug userv again ? :-)
[01:52] <ogra> btw, for anyone who didnt know it, that localdevice implementation is the sexiest ever !
[01:53] <ogra> thanks to sbalneav !
[01:53] <ogra> its completely desktop independent and i didnt need to make seb128 unhappy with ugly nautilus scripthacking ;)
[01:54] <seb128> cool :)
[01:54] <ogra> yep, we mount in /media now ... nautilus just picks it up :)
[01:55] <seb128> nice
[01:55] <seb128> sfllaw_: only 5 min before timeout for the meeting, can we move on?
[01:55] <sfllaw> rodarvus
[01:55] <rodarvus> Done:
[01:55] <rodarvus>  * Much Edubuntu administrativia
[01:55] <rodarvus>  * Planning OLPC Edubuntu Effort
[01:55] <rodarvus>  * X.Org bugfixing
[01:55] <rodarvus>  * Preparing for Wiesbaden Developers Sprint
[01:55] <rodarvus> Todo:
[01:55] <rodarvus>  * Wiesbaden Developers Sprint
[01:55] <rodarvus>    - X.Org bugfixing
[01:55] <rodarvus>    - Discuss OLPC effort with (at least) mdz and ubuntu-archive team, others welcome too :)
[01:55] <rodarvus>    - Work on fully-automatic-swap-server (pair programming with ogra)
[01:56] <sfllaw> Questions?
[01:56] <sfllaw> Keybuk?
[01:57] <seb128> 3min :p
[01:57] <rodarvus> >:-)
[01:57] <sfllaw> seb128: We started 5 minutes late as people were still showing up.
[01:57] <sfllaw> We've got 8.
[01:57] <seb128> sfllaw: we always do but we are on time usually ;)
[01:57] <sfllaw> That would be cool.
[01:58] <sfllaw> Well, Keybuk doesn't seem to be present...
[01:58] <sfllaw> seb128?
[01:58] <seb128> This week:
[01:58] <seb128> - caught up with most of my mails and SoC lag
[01:58] <seb128> - bug triage, bug triage, bug triage: a good number of bugs triaged or fixed but almost as many new ones coming
[01:58] <seb128> - worked on evolution, evolution-data-server, evolution-exchange news versions from GNOME 2.14.3 for dapper-proposed
[01:58] <seb128> - backport some desktop fixes to dapper-updates
[01:58] <seb128> - some GNOME updates to edgy
[01:58] <seb128> .
[01:58] <seb128> Next week:
[01:58] <seb128> - distro sprint to Wiesbaden
[01:58] <seb128> sfllaw: BTW thank you for the 4 bug changes you did on desktop bugs during the week :p
[01:59] <sfllaw> seb128: Was that sarcasm I detect?
[01:59] <sfllaw> Questions?
[01:59] <seb128> sfllaw: maybe ;)
[01:59] <sfllaw> Done
[01:59] <sfllaw>  * UbuntuBugDay
[01:59] <sfllaw>  * Bug triaging
[01:59] <sfllaw> To do
[01:59] <sfllaw>  * Prepare for UbuntuBugDay at the summit
[01:59] <sfllaw>  * Bug triaging
[01:59] <sfllaw>  * E-mailing CEGEPs about interns
[01:59] <seb128> sfllaw: an hand on desktop bugs would still be appreciated :)
[01:59] <sfllaw> seb128: I've been triaging across the board, as the number still keep climbing.
[02:00] <sfllaw> seb128: We have done bug days for desktop bugs, though.
[02:00] <seb128> right
[02:00] <Keybuk> sfllaw: sorry, got caught by a typing break there
[02:00] <sfllaw> Keybuk: I know the feeling.
[02:00] <sfllaw> You're up.
[02:00] <Keybuk> Done:
[02:00] <Keybuk>  * ReplacementInit: now only a few final bits to tidy up, notably initial console settings.
[02:00] <Keybuk>  * BootMessageLogging: implemented as part of upstart
[02:00] <Keybuk> To do:
[02:00] <Keybuk>  * Package upstart and get it into the archive (pre-Wiesbaden)
[02:00] <Keybuk>  * Wiesbaden: have everyone test while there, and with high bandwidth to me if things go wrong
[02:00] <Keybuk>  * Wiesbaden: UUID migration needs help from other people (LVM, MD, RAID, devmapper, sparc, ia64, hppa, PowerPC, etc.)
[02:00] <seb128> sfllaw: we have some people working on them which is nice, but having an hand from the QA master would be appreciated too ;)
[02:01] <sfllaw> Questions?
[02:02] <pitti> Keybuk: does it work? :)
[02:02] <sfllaw> rodarvus: I went an rejected some today.
[02:02] <rodarvus> (bug triaging X.Org bugs, I mean)
[02:02] <Keybuk> pitti: yeah, very well
[02:02] <rodarvus> sfllaw, thanks
[02:03] <pitti> Keybuk: \o/
[02:03] <sfllaw> Thanks everyone!  Please update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelTeamMeeting20060817.
[02:03] <rodarvus> I was unable to read my "bugs" mailbox today :/
[02:03] <iwj> I just wanted to say quickly that if I don't forget I'll have two UK->Euro adapters with me and only need one.  So if you're one short do ask me.  (I was going to post this to distro-team but it's not working for me atm.)
[02:04] <ogra> pitti, btw, getting the MiR approved for ltspfs/d would speed me up a bit ;)
[02:04] <pitti> ah, yeah, MIR is haunting me again
[02:04] <ogra> iwj, i'll bring a collection of powerstrips with me ... so we can multiply the adapters
[02:04] <sfllaw> I need to find North American power strips that won't short at 240V.
[02:04] <ogra> aww, indeed that doesnt wotk in that direction ... ignore me :)
[02:04] <iwj> I don't think I have a spare 4-way, unfortunately.
[02:05] <iwj> sfllaw: Ug.
[02:05] <infinity> sfllaw: Just get European plugs for all your auto-switching gear.  It's what I do.
[02:05] <infinity> sfllaw: Much less hassle.
[02:05] <iwj> sfllaw: You could buy a lead for your laptop with a sensible plug.
[02:06] <iwj> Now we'll be in the middle of a town I can buy a euro lead for my laptop.
[02:06] <infinity> sfllaw: I have a US, AU, EU, and UK plug for my laptop, just pack what I feel is appropriate.
[02:06] <Keybuk> I can't seem to find my EU one ;'(
[02:06] <Keybuk> I usually bring them all, as there's always *some* kind of power strip nearby, and not always the one you'd expect
[02:06] <iwj> Bed for me now though.
[02:07] <doko> good night
[02:07] <iwj> ttfn all
[02:08] <pitti> thanks to all, and good night!
[02:08] <Keybuk> night all
[02:08] <fschoep> Thanks everyone and good night. See you next week.
[02:08] <seb128> 'night
[10:09] <shawarma> @schedule copenhagen
[10:09] <Ubugtu> Schedule for Europe/Copenhagen: 22 Aug 18:00: Community Council | 23 Aug 14:00: Edubuntu | 29 Aug 22:00: Technical Board | 30 Aug 22:00: Edubuntu | 31 Aug 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team


[15:13] <sidi> Is there somewhere a version of the Launchpad logo that allows derivative works? https://github.com/FortAwesome/Font-Awesome/issues/4646
[17:23] <rbasak> sidi: you can ask Canonical for permission here: http://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/contact-us
[17:24] <rbasak> I don't understand what Font Awesome really is or why they want to use logos of various projects (the last I heard about was the Docker one). But that's just me. It's not up to me.
[17:27] <dobey> rbasak: font awesome is the thing that web sites used to break usability by shoving icons for things into fonts, rather than loading images
[17:28] <dobey> aka, it's not at all awesome
[17:29] <rbasak> What's their reasoning?
[17:31] <dobey> "speed" or some such nonsense
[17:31] <dobey> there is no good reason for it. but twitter/github/etc… all do this
[17:32] <rbasak> Ah, so they're the reason some websites break because I have overridden some fonts?
[17:33] <rbasak> What happened to CSS image sprites?
[17:34] <dobey> yes
[19:56] <sidi> dobey, rbasak people prefer this approach because it's easier
[19:56] <sidi> png sprites dont look good if resized, and im not sure how easy it'd be to have a nice layer of abstraction above an svg sprite that can be resized, as well
[19:57] <sidi> rbasak, thanks for the contact link
[20:17] <cjwatson> That sounds like something that would be referring to Launchpad rather than to something else and thus my guess is that it would be OK, but I can't give permission for this; you would indeed have to contact Canonical legal.
[20:41] <rbasak> sidi: ah, that's a reason I hadn't thought of, thanks.
[21:14] <cr3> hi folks, why does the exception guidelines say to never catch a TypeError: https://dev.launchpad.net/ExceptionGuidelines
[21:17] <lifeless> because they are not issued as a matter of course
[21:17] <lifeless> so its better to fix the bug causing it to be raised
[21:18] <lifeless> cr3: ^
[21:20] <cr3> lifeless: darn common sense that's not so common. makes perfect sense, thanks for the explanation!
[21:32] <lifeless> cr3: :)


[00:24] <ubern00b> Hello! I'm having grub trouble. When I boot I get to a grub prompt, it says "grub>". How do I get it to boot Ubuntu?
[00:26] <uchobby> Not an expert ubern00b, but I am looking it up for you.
[00:27] <uchobby> how did you end up at the prompt rather then booting?
[00:28] <uchobby> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[00:28] <uchobby> there seems to be instructions about 2/3rd down under Command line, you are at the probt so skip to step 5.
[00:29] <uchobby> I'm no expert, have only done simular thing once, but I would like to know how it goes for you
[00:48] <duanedesign> ubern00b: yep the link uchobby popsted is a good one
[00:49] <uchobby> have not herd from ubern00b, wonder if he's trying
[01:01] <aveilleux> uchobby: Evidently
[01:04] <uchobby> when you use VMWare, to run Ubuntu on Win7, and you have a shared dir setup, where does that show up in Ubuntu? I dont see the dir there.
[01:08] <aveilleux> ushobby: You have to connect to it. http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/how-to-share-folders-with-your-ubuntu-virtual-machine-guest/
[01:10] <uchobby> thanks aveilleux, looking now
[01:23] <uchobby> working now, thanks aveilleux
[01:23] <aveilleux> No problem, uchobby
[01:24] <meindian523> uh sorry duanedesign went off to sleep
[01:24] <meindian523> :P
[01:24]  * meindian523 checks links duanedesign provided
[02:32] <tcm5025> anyone know how i could solve an issue with a blank screen at startup?
[02:32] <stlsaint> tcm5025: blank screen as in no grub or ....?
[02:33] <tcm5025> well it's the only os on here, so i dunno if i'll see the grub screen
[02:33] <tcm5025> i had to d/l the alternate installer to be able to install the os at all
[02:33] <tcm5025> and now it just does the same thing it did when i tried to run the regular installer
[02:33] <tcm5025> it goes blank after the ubuntu logo comes up
[02:34] <tcm5025> got any idea??
[02:37] <stlsaint> tcm5025: yea boot into the livecd and check to see if you are using xorg or not
[02:46] <tcm5025> what do you mean xorg?
[02:47] <stlsaint> shoudl be in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:48] <aveilleux> stlsaint, tcm5025: The newest version of Ubuntu doesn't use that anymore
[02:51] <stlsaint> aveilleux: true but he may need to
[02:52] <aveilleux> stlsaint: xorg.conf is completely ignored now, to my knowledge.
[02:53] <stlsaint> aveilleux: what release of ubuntu are you referring to?
[02:53] <aveilleux> stlsaint: 10.04. I've never been able to get an xorg.conf to stick.
[02:54] <stlsaint> aveilleux: well i have used it to trouble shoot 10.10 so i know it is still viable to 10.04 ;)
[02:55] <stlsaint> in 10.10 i had a video issue..by removing xorg i was able to get down to the generic driver and wait for the next major update to fix my nvidia issue
[02:56] <stlsaint> thats why i ask if xorg is there or not so if it causing issues you can move it to xorg.conf.old or .bak and let the generic driver come into play
[02:56] <phillw> aveilleux: IIR, xorg.conf is still read if it exists
[02:56] <stlsaint> aveilleux: ^^^
[02:56] <phillw> it is not auto generated, as most of the time it is no longer needed
[02:58] <stlsaint> aveilleux: thus it is still useful in some cases ^^
[03:11] <stlsaint> tcm5025: poke
[04:48] <taboc741> I've been looking around and can't seam to find any pre-compiled drivers and software for the Clear usb modems.  Has anyone been terribly successful at getting ubuntu online via Clear?
[04:49] <stlsaint> taboc741: sorry i have not
[04:49] <stlsaint> taboc741: have you tried connecting via ethernet to the modem or is that what you are doing?
[04:51] <taboc741> well if i had the so called home modem that would work, but it's a usb modem (much like 3g service from att, except it's 4g from clear) wich required the software package and the driver for the wimax usb modem the software installs
[04:51] <stlsaint> taboc741: oh i see, have you been to their website to see about downloading a different version of the software?
[04:52] <taboc741> they've only released software (with drivers compiled into the software) for mac and windows
[04:53] <stlsaint> taboc741: yea that has been an issue with other usb internet providers
[04:53] <taboc741> i know mac osx is unix based as well is there a good util for importing mac software to linux?
[04:54] <stlsaint> http://www.linuxwimax.org/
[04:55] <taboc741> thanks a bunch i'll hit them up
[05:03] <taboc741> well it looks like they have a wimax stack, but since beecom won't release source for drivers they can't build drivers for my clear stick yet.
[08:50] <tdn> Is there any way to sort the output of du -sh? I know I can do: du -sm | sort -n, but is there any way to sort human readable sizes? I can not find anything on this in the man page of 'sort'.
[10:03] <Red1> hi
[10:05] <Red1> i've just installed ubuntu 10.04 using wubi on a laptop with windows 7, but sometimes the mouse and the keyboard don't work. i can move the mouse, but i can't click anywhere but on the firefox icon
[10:06] <Red1> what can i do?
[10:23] <suprengr> Red1: are you using the touchpad on the laptop... and can you access the menus at all?
[10:25] <Red1> i'm using the touchpad. nothing but the firefox icon
[10:26] <suprengr> Red1: hover mouse over System menu and press ,enter..  Do same for: System -> Preferences -> Mouse and enable  touchpad 'tap to click' [or something similar]
[10:27] <suprengr> Red1: ...& check the other settings while you're there.
[10:28] <Red1> i've already enabled the 'tap to click' thing
[10:29] <suprengr> Red1: then you have access to more than firefox, surely?
[10:30] <Red1> when i'm in firefox i can use the mouse and click
[10:33] <suprengr> Red1: are you saying you can access anything when Firefox is open but not otherwise or that you can only access items in Firefox
[10:33] <Red1> only access items in Firefox
[10:33] <suprengr> Red1: [confused :/  ]
[10:35] <suprengr> Red1: how did you set 'tap to click' then... getting more confused here
[10:36] <Red1> i noticed the mouse doesn't work when  I put a USB flash drive in for the first time
[10:38] <suprengr> Red1: let's try another line here.  Can you right click ok on e.g. the desktop itself
[10:40] <suprengr> Red1:
[10:40] <Red1> no
[10:41] <suprengr> Red1: 1/ What is the laptop?  2/ Do you have mouse control at login / password screen?
[10:42] <Red1> hp dv6 2193/yes/yes
[10:43] <suprengr> Red1: ..and this only started since you plugged in the flash drive?  was all ok before the USB was attached?
[10:46] <Red1> yes, but then when i rebooted ubuntu and put in the flash drive everything worked fine
[12:14] <Abhishek-17> is it neccessory to update ubuntu 9.10 before upgrading it to 10.04 with an alternate cd?
[13:48] <Mohan_chml> hiya hobgoblin
[13:50] <hobgoblin> hi Mohan_chml
[13:50] <Mohan_chml> hobgoblin: PM
[15:11] <pagar> how to expand linux partition
[15:12] <pagar> please help
[15:13] <pedro3005> hi pagar
[15:13] <pagar> hi
[15:14] <pedro3005> pagar, you can boot your live cd and use GParted to expand your partition if you wish
[15:16] <Mohan_chml> pedro3005: I think we need a free space right after the current partition. But really Idk about that
[15:17] <pedro3005> Mohan_chml, oh well, he went away
[15:17] <Mohan_chml> pedro3005: But I just need to clarify that
[15:17] <pedro3005> good
[15:18] <Mohan_chml> can you do that with having some freespace at the tail?
[15:19] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[15:20] <kosaidpo> whats the differents  on synaptic btw remove and remove compeletly
[15:20] <Mohan_chml> kosaidpo: hello. How are you these days?
[15:20] <kosaidpo> im fine
[15:20] <kosaidpo> Mohan_chml: tnx and you
[15:21] <saji89> kosaidpo, I think remove leaves back the configuration files, but remove completely removes the configuration files, aswell.
[15:21] <Mohan_chml> kosaidpo: "remove" removes the application "remove completely" removes the library files and the dependencies it needed during installation
[15:22] <Mohan_chml> *too
[15:22] <kosaidpo> ahh
[15:23] <kosaidpo> so its like using pruge is it ?
[15:23] <kosaidpo> as in sudo aptitude purge remove package ?
[15:23] <kosaidpo> right
[15:23] <kosaidpo> ?
[15:25] <Mohan_chml> kosaidpo: yes
[15:25] <kosaidpo> tnx :  }
[15:25] <kosaidpo> ;]
[15:25] <kosaidpo> Mohan_chml: can i pick up sumthin from u quickly
[15:25] <Mohan_chml> kosaidpo: yes?
[15:25] <kosaidpo> as in can u tel me any tip as comande line or w.e
[15:26] <kosaidpo> uhm
[15:26] <kosaidpo> w.e in ur mind
[15:26] <kosaidpo> u think it might be usfulle for me
[15:26] <kosaidpo> : ]
[15:26] <Mohan_chml> kosaidpo: join -team
[15:27] <Mohan_chml> kosaidpo: /join #ubuntu-beginners-team
[15:27] <kosaidpo> hihi
[15:27] <kosaidpo> :D i kno
[15:27] <Mohan_chml> Heh
[15:27] <kosaidpo> no i mean as a user linux
[15:27] <kosaidpo> you kno
[15:27] <kosaidpo> while using the commadn line
[15:27] <kosaidpo> well
[15:28] <kosaidpo> i nver get it what does chroot do ?
[15:28] <kosaidpo> the command chroot
[15:28] <Mohan_chml> change the root permissions
[15:28] <kosaidpo> to what ?
[15:28] <Mohan_chml> of a particular file
[15:28] <kosaidpo> can you pls explain
[15:28] <kosaidpo> im noob tho : D
[15:29] <Mohan_chml> If I have two accounts/ groups in my machine and If I want to change the owner permissions of a particular folder from one group to another, chroot is used
[15:29] <hobgoblin> no
[15:29] <kosaidpo> uhm why we cant use chmod ?
[15:29] <kosaidpo> or chown
[15:29] <Mohan_chml> kosaidpo: ^ Its good to learn after you find the codes by yourself ;)
[15:30] <Mohan_chml> kosaidpo: chown is to change the owner access and chroot to the root access
[15:30] <hobgoblin> Mohan_chml: chroot is "an operation that changes the apparent disk root directory for the current running process and its children. "
[15:31] <Mohan_chml> hobgoblin: aww. I told about chown then..?
[15:31] <hobgoblin> ye[
[15:31] <hobgoblin> yep
[15:32] <Mohan_chml> hobgoblin: ty. Just now googled =]
[15:32] <kosaidpo> hobgoblin: cus im not native english speaker inever get to uderstand the choot from the man
[15:32] <kosaidpo> can you please gimme some example pls
[15:32] <kosaidpo> Mohan_chml: many tnx : ]
[15:32] <hobgoblin> sorry - not really, something I used once or twice only
[15:33] <kosaidpo> hobgoblin: oh okies tnx
[15:33] <kosaidpo> well guys
[15:34] <kosaidpo> can you please give any usefull command line that ican pick up from you easily : D
[15:34] <Mohan_chml> kosaidpo: http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?t=156511 that has an elaborate story about chroot
[15:35] <Mohan_chml> kosaidpo: download a tutorial or work in terminal, so that you can learn by yourself ;)
[15:35] <kosaidpo> yeh id o
[15:35] <kosaidpo> but you kno i cant get to see all the cmmd line
[15:35] <hobgoblin> kosaidpo: what it is you are actually after - we'ere not a library :)
[15:36] <kosaidpo> so its like exchangin knowloage or sumthi
[15:36] <kosaidpo> cus what i kno you might dont kno n same
[15:37] <kosaidpo> hobgoblin: hii i kno me too
[15:37] <kosaidpo> for example ican tell you a word in french
[15:37] <kosaidpo> and im sure you sumthin to tell me too
[15:37] <kosaidpo> you get me
[15:38] <kosaidpo> so im askin you guys this on commd line
[15:38] <kosaidpo> : d
[15:39] <hobgoblin> yep - the only real way to learn the command line is in my opinion - need to use it for real to fix or accomplish something
[15:39] <kosaidpo> yeh i do use
[15:39] <kosaidpo> but you kno somtimes it night be danger
[15:39] <kosaidpo> like the other time
[15:39] <kosaidpo> i ereased my headers by accident
[15:39] <hobgoblin> run a vm then you can do whatever it is you want to
[15:40] <kosaidpo> n ipayed it so expensive to get em back i had to do a fresh install cus i messed it up
[15:40] <kosaidpo> uhm i dont thikn ican
[15:40] <kosaidpo> im using lubuntu
[15:40] <kosaidpo> i have an old toshiba with 512 ram
[15:40] <hobgoblin> oh - no then :)
[15:41] <hobgoblin> you could if you have sufficient disk space then make a new install and play in one and keep one for normal use
[15:42] <kosaidpo> uhm yeh isee
[15:42] <hobgoblin> I've done both in the past
[15:42] <kosaidpo> well tnx  n have nice day
[15:42] <kosaidpo> peace out : ]
[15:43] <Mohan_chml> hobgoblin: I think we have to tell him to avoid sms type of words. what about you?
[15:46] <hobgoblin> some of it might possibly be down to language  I think
[22:06] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[22:07] <kosaidpo> its absoluty impossible to rum virtual box on machine with 512 ram under lubuntu ??
[22:08] <seidos> kosaidpo, did you try?
[22:09] <aveilleux> kosaidpo: No, why?
[22:09] <aveilleux> kosaidpo: As long as you allocate less than half your physical RAM you should be fine
[22:09] <aveilleux> kosaidpo: To a degree
[22:09] <kosaidpo> uhm
[22:09] <kosaidpo> s icant ?
[22:10] <aveilleux> kosaidpo: I'm confused. What do you mean when you say "Can't"?
[22:10] <aveilleux> kosaidpo: Because I've done exactly what you're talking about (run VBox with < 512MB of RAM) before
[22:10] <kosaidpo> im under lubuntu with 512 ram so can i use virtual box
[22:10] <kosaidpo> ohh
[22:10] <kosaidpo> good
[22:11] <kosaidpo> how ?
[22:11] <aveilleux> kosaidpo: Y-yes.
[22:11] <kosaidpo> cus im new
[22:11] <aveilleux> kosaidpo: Um, install it
[22:11] <aveilleux> kosaidpo: sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose
[22:11] <kosaidpo> i did
[22:11] <kosaidpo> i have it
[22:11] <kosaidpo> now
[22:11] <kosaidpo> : D
[22:11] <kosaidpo> and how abt the virtual hdd
[22:11] <kosaidpo> how much shud  give it
[22:12] <aveilleux> kosaidpo: Whatever the recommended size is
[22:12] <kosaidpo> ahh
[22:12] <kosaidpo> okies tnx
[22:12] <kosaidpo> ill go dinner now
[22:12] <kosaidpo> many tnx
[22:12] <kosaidpo> for ur help
[22:46] <reaper50435> question: is their a linux alt to windows alcohol 120 program
[22:50] <aveilleux> reaper50435: Linux can mount ISOs natively.  Terrible
[22:55] <aveilleux> drubin: But he was asking if it was possible, which it is


[07:27] <foxbox> Has Ubuntu 21.04 been updated with new wallpapers yet?
[07:40] <guiverc> yep foxbox, my installed system grabbed them this morning (not sure about dailies, haven't looked)
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-nibbles
[18:05] <magic_ninja> How is the dev version coming along? I'm thinking about moving over to it.
[18:06] <Maik> magic_ninja: download the daily build, try it and if you're satisfied keep using it. Simple as that.
[18:07] <Maik> but since it's still a development version and not even Beta yet, using it as daily friver is at own risk
[18:07] <magic_ninja> Maik, or, I could just come in here and see what people's takes on it are. Simple as that.
[18:07] <Maik> you won't get much response here from what i gave seen through the last year
[18:07] <Maik> gave/have
[18:08] <magic_ninja> Sometimes you do. Or you get a warning about little quirks they still exist, etc.
[18:08] <magic_ninja> *that still exist
[18:08] <Maik> testing weeks started and thus bug hunting has been opened
[18:09] <magic_ninja> That's why I'm here. Just doing a bit of digging. I like to use it to help submit bugs, provided there isn't some massive issue going on.
[18:09] <Maik> this week is for testing before the Beta comes out next week thursday
[18:09] <Maik> April 1st that is
[18:11] <magic_ninja> So now it is mostly at the "polish" phase of things
[18:12] <Maik> you can call it like that and it will continue til the final stable iso comes out on April 22nd


[04:40] <hp> Goodnight everyone. In the beginning of ubuntu when the mouse cursor was placed over a photo you could see the same preview without opening it. With the dconfig editor how can I enable that option.
[04:40] <hp> Thanks for the help in advance.
[19:48] <KGB-0> glib pristine-tar c747481 Simon McVittie glib2.0_2.73.2+git20220724.orig.tar.xz.delta glib2.0_2.73.2+git20220724.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for glib2.0_2.73.2+git20220724.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/ikuZF
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[01:46] <ShawnR> did TinTin really just ask that?
[01:47] <Nothing_Much> ShawnR: Well in some places there are some people who aren't in FL
[01:47] <Nothing_Much> lol
[01:47] <Nothing_Much> that are in FL channels
[01:48] <ShawnR> i suppose, but you would assume at least the majority were from FL
[01:48] <Nothing_Much> yeah
[01:48] <ShawnR> so i'm not wanting to go through as much trouble as having a bootable ZFS system
[01:48] <ShawnR> but i would LOVE to be able to setup my home dir as ZFS and back it up to a server with same file system...
[01:49] <ShawnR> is that complicating things too much?
[01:49] <ShawnR> or would i just be better off rsyncing my home folder to a ZFS store on the network?
[01:49] <Nothing_Much> wut
[01:49] <Nothing_Much> o.O
[02:08] <ShawnR> lol... i'm doing too much thinking
[02:09] <ShawnR> i had an issue with bit rot in the past... but it was actually more to do with bad IDE cables (back when rounded IDE were the new thing, I bought cheap ones)
[02:09] <Nothing_Much> oh my
[02:09] <ShawnR> but I like the features of ZFS for storing my backups
[02:09] <Nothing_Much> ZFS is Oracle only right?
[02:10] <ShawnR> yeah... it was my 2-3 GB of mp3s downloaded from audiogalaxy (when it was a website and you had a "helper" program) and napster... on a 28.8k connection :/
[02:10] <ShawnR> well, it is mostly on solaris... but it is also on other platforms
[02:10] <Nothing_Much> Ah
[02:10] <ShawnR> mostly freebsd, freenas, etc
[02:10] <ShawnR> but also you can get it for ubuntu and other distros
[02:10] <Nothing_Much> interesting
[02:10] <Nothing_Much> I'm wondering if Ubuntu will adopt other fs's
[02:10] <ShawnR> it handles quite a bit diff than most of them
[02:11] <Nothing_Much> I heard that Brtfs was better than ext4 since it's newer and performs better
[02:11] <ShawnR> btrfs is supposed to be just as good as zfs once it gets stable
[02:11] <Nothing_Much> oh
[02:11] <ShawnR> but still missing too many features or too many features are in beta
[02:11] <ShawnR> google zfs vs btrfs
[02:11] <ShawnR> you'll learn some good stuff
[02:12] <Nothing_Much> *btrfs
[02:12] <Nothing_Much> oh
[02:12] <Nothing_Much> hmm..
[02:12] <Nothing_Much> interesting
[02:13] <Nothing_Much> phoronix's benchmarks are mostly in favor of ext4
[02:14] <Nothing_Much> but sometimes ZFS would win over BTRFS and EXT4
[02:21] <ShawnR> benchmarks?
[02:21] <ShawnR> you're only comparing speeds, right?
[02:22] <ShawnR> for backups, you don't want to wait for forever, but bit-insurance > speed IMO
[02:22] <ShawnR> if you want speed, you give up error correction effectiveness
[02:23] <ShawnR> ZFS on a machine with ECC RAM is a good way to ensure your data will not corrupt (as best as you can possibly try)
[02:23] <Nothing_Much> oh
[13:34] <munz> Solid10ftswell
[13:34] <munz> olid10ftswell
[13:34] <munz> olid10ftswell
[13:35] <munz> Solid10ftswell
[13:36] <mhall119> ya don't say
[13:36]  * mhall119 hopes that wasn't a password
[22:15] <balloons> jury duty tomorrow! Joyous fun!
[22:15] <Nothing_Much> balloons: o.O
[22:17] <balloons> Nothing_Much, yep, first time for me. Seems funny, as soon as you transfer to a new county you are called
[22:17] <Nothing_Much> county?
[22:17] <Nothing_Much> oh


[00:23] <bazhang> 'outdated tar'?
[00:23] <bazhang> @random tar tor HURD emacs
[00:23] <bazhang> why you...
[00:41] <chu> Ouch
[00:48] <bazhang> oh here to rub salt in
[00:48] <bazhang> I just knew it!
[02:15] <bazhang> gone
[02:32] <Unit193> Danke.
[03:31] <valorie> imo, !alsamixer should give the link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/Alsamixer
[03:31] <valorie> instead it gives nuttin'
[16:24] <bazhang> yetanotherpikapi help 'advisor'
[16:24] <bazhang> cap
[16:25] <Pici> eh?
[21:17] <Pici> :/
[21:18] <phunyguy> :-/
[21:18] <popey> :--/
[21:20] <k1l_> that user was a big issue on nov.1st already
[21:20] <genii> I'm too busy to keep a proper eye on him right now
[21:23] <k1l_> he is gone for now, so i will go and make my dinner
[21:50] <genii> @comment 69826 Inappropriate name, racially charged remarks.
[21:52] <k1l_> known troll
[21:52] <genii> Yeah he wanders in occasionally
[22:17] <k1l_> what is "lsb_release -d"? "15.04"  oh its a 11.10 :/
[22:19] <valorie> haha
[22:20] <k1l_> next time some user is arguing again why we want to see some output and not just believe what the users think they use.
[22:21] <valorie> fantasy IS reality
[22:21] <valorie> get with it, k1l_
[22:22] <valorie> watch some US political debates and see that in action!
[22:22] <k1l_> whatever pills you take, i want some too :)
[22:22] <genii> Heh
 I think I need to reinstall my dmraid
[23:15] <bazhang> walkthrough!


[00:59] <tomreyn> Thanos: for a supported LTS release, yes. 20.04 LTS (the next youngest LTS) lost support in april.
 Thanos I have the latest one and I love it.
 vefi
[01:02] <tomreyn> oh, i guess i got the question wrong - if Thanos is asking whether to use an LTS (22.04 LTS) or standard release (23.04) - depends on personal preferences (longer support duration vs more recent software).
 I feel like both are somewhat short term with KDE 6 on the way. (Just my personal opinion)
[01:06] <tomreyn> i don't expect a new kde release to put any kubuntu release out of its planned support lifecycle.
 True. But we can always hack it :)
 "hack" lol.
 From the Kubuntu 22.04.02 LTS that i have already installed can i go to Kubuntu 23.04 or not? Is it better to stay on 22.04? I don't uses snaps on my apps i am using the native repos of Ubuntu
 And also i have put the Kubuntu backports
[05:43] <alkisg> Thanos, it's better to stay on 22.04. When 24.04 comes out, you'll be able to upgrade directly from 22.04 to 24.04.
[06:21] <shaurya> hi
 Wow i see big difference in my laptop without encryption
 Its booting so fast and i can see that it response better
[07:26] <mmikowski> Thanos: That will depend on your CPU; more current ones handle the encryption almost transparently, but earlier generations can be a lot slower.
[07:27] <mmikowski> Not sure where the cut-off line was, but by intel 9th-gen, it was pretty much transparent.
[07:27] <mmikowski> However, boot times do still get dinged by FDE.
[07:28] <mmikowski> I'm referring to the speed once everything is set up. I typically see ~10s penalty for FDE systems.
 I have 4thgen ans 6gen laptops
 On both of them i can see the difference
[07:56] <mmikowski> Thanos: That certainly sounds about right. Again, when you bump to a later processor, you might want to try again. I have benchmarks showing FDE has almost no effect on read/write on ext4 + lvm + LUKS for 10th+ gen Intel. I assume AMD is similar.
[07:56] <mmikowski> kk, peace out :)
[12:41] <BluesKaj> Hi all
 When you upgrade from one LTS version to the next one we have to disable backports repo?
[13:19] <BluesKaj> it's advisable to comment out the backports since they are so by default in the sources.list
 You mean to leave then enabled?
[13:31] <BluesKaj> no comment them out by placing # in front
[13:39] <BluesKaj> make sure you upgrade your existing packages before upgrading to the new LTS
 Some packages i saw that are provided only by backports
 Iike kalendar
[18:25] <user|44> beep
[18:25] <user|54> Hi
[18:26] <user|54> Use arch you Fag$
[20:54]  * BayouGuru uses Kubuntu, by the way...  :)
[20:54] <BayouGuru> hehe


[01:19] <ja9vae9> ...../---------|
[04:05] <ja9vae9_> 9
[04:05] <mmikowski> salapin: If you return, I have the answer for you.
[04:09] <ja9vae9_> d
[04:15] <salapin> mmikowski:  helpme, please
[04:17] <salapin> I read you thanks to the bot mmikowski
[04:17] <Utkojhamela>  there was a settings where there is "show remote thumbnail" option. Can't remember where. Also I'm not with my pc. See in settings. It is there somewhere.
[04:19] <salapin> Yes, I have seen that option and I give it a very high rank. In local it shows me well but for someone nothing, it doesn't work well
[04:21] <Utkojhamela> :/
[07:04] <ja9vae9> @Urkojhamela : en puhu suomea
[07:08] <Utkojhamela> je9vae9: na re vai tumi ki koila kichui bujhina
[07:09] <Utkojhamela> nai
[07:10] <ja9vae9> @Urko: wo bizi dao ni zai shuo shu mo. [throws a fit] for heittää vihkisormuksen ulos ikkunasta bc taidot tiskaamaan on niin huonoa
[07:11] <ja9vae9> @:na re tumi koila DM
[11:09] <salapin> Hi!
 Can no one help me with video thumbnails via smb¿?¿?¿?¿?
 Hello, I am trying to connect my kubntu to windows via LAN(https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/setting-a-static-ip-in-ubuntu-linux-ip-address-tutorial/) but I could connect, can you help me how to do this?
 click on the "Network" icon in the Dolphin sidebar. This will open a browser that shows all of the computers on your network that are sharing files. To connect to a share, simply double-click on the computer and then double-click on the share. (re @Tabatabaei1999: Hello, I am trying to connect my kubntu to windows via LAN(https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/setting-a-static-ip-in-ubuntu-linux-ip-address-tutorial/) but I could connect, ca
[13:15] <Vara> Hello, i've a problem with my Kubuntu. This happens just few minutes ago after update.
[13:15] <Vara> I can't login to my user because the screen is glitching so bad i can't even see my mouse pointer
[13:17] <Vara> Right after update, the system requires me to restart. I do what it said & the booting went normal. But once it shows login screen, it immediately glitching so bad. Please help!
[13:22] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:30] <sigvart> hello
[13:31] <mark__> hi
[13:37] <sigvart> oh hi mark
[13:37] <sigvart> hows your sex life
[13:40] <BluesKaj> !offtopic
[13:44] <salapin> mmikowski: you are around here?
[14:03] <mmikowski> Hi salapin. I've answered your question before :)
[14:04] <mmikowski> The fix is two-fold. First you need to make sure you have the thumbnail rendering libraries installed.
[14:06] <mmikowski> Second, there is a setting in dolphin which defines the maximum file size for previews.
[14:08] <mmikowski> Iirc, there is also an option to not show previews on network drives. Once you get all those settings in place, previews should work.
 Anyone tried out the 23.10 yet?
[17:28] <mparillo> I have: Live USB, Bare Metal Install; and VMware VM Guest.
[17:29] <mparillo> Short version: It works for me. Both Wayland and x11
[17:37] <mmikowski> mparillo: fwiw, running Plasma 5.27.8 with Wayland on 22.04 LTS and Nvidia (RTX 4080 Mobile). It works quite well. The only problem, and I've seen this with Intel, is some web pages (in this case, only The Lounge) when HW acceleration is enabled. Even steam works well.
[17:40] <mmikowski> mparillo: clarification: the problem with TheLounge is text gets corrupted. Sorry for the sentence fragment :P
[17:57] <mmikowski> salapin: If you come back from before:
[17:58] <mmikowski> sudo apt install dolphin-plugins kio-extras. Dolphin > Settings > Configure Dolphin > General > Previews. See "Skip previews for remote files" at bottom. From a similar location, set the maximum allowable file size for previews. Boom, now you should have video previews in Dolphin.
[20:01] <user|55> https://www.facebook.com/maite.hernandes.3760


[00:55] <ThePendulum> Damned
[00:55] <ThePendulum> I still can't remove files from my hard drives :|
[01:00] <holstein> ThePendulum: ? ... sudo rm them
[01:00] <ThePendulum> The trash bin is gone
[01:00] <holstein> OK
[01:01] <holstein> just rm them, or right click and delete them in the gui, or highlight and hit the delete key
[01:01] <creativetux> Is the filesystem mounted as read only?
[01:02] <holstein> you likely just removed the icon in the file manager, or where ever you are looking
[01:12] <ThePendulum> It's a bit inconvenient to run the terminal for each file I'd like to delete
[01:12] <ThePendulum> I removed the trash folder, as I said earlier
[01:13] <ThePendulum> "or right click and delete them in the gui, or highlight and hit the delete key" <-- Thanks, but seriously.
[01:15] <holstein> ThePendulum: ?
[01:15] <holstein> i think that should delete the files... does it work?
[01:22] <creativetux> ThePendulum, in that case goto Settings, Desktop and then the Icons tab and tick it back on ?
[01:22] <holstein> i find it a bit inconvenient to click and drag or right click or whatever
[01:23] <creativetux> holstein, I'm with you on that, just select the files and then hit the big Delete key on the kb
[01:23] <holstein> maybe im just assuming those issues are related... maybe its like "i deleted the trash, *and*, in an unrelated issue i cant delete files"
[01:24] <GridCube> ThePendulum, http://nongeeksight.blogspot.com/2006/07/configuring-trash-bin-for-xubuntu.html
[01:24] <GridCube> lol 2006...
[01:24] <GridCube> XD
[01:24] <holstein> ThePendulum: anyways, im sure if you give us more to go on someone can help you sort out whatever is going on
[01:24] <ThePendulum> I didn't remove any icons, I removed the actual .Trash-000 folders on two of my hard drives
[01:25] <holstein> i assume you tried adding it back?
[01:25] <ThePendulum> Affirmative
[01:25] <holstein> and?
[01:25] <holstein> ThePendulum: what error?
[01:26] <holstein> how did you try?
[01:26] <holstein> were you root?
[01:26] <ThePendulum> But it doesn't seem to recognize them as trash bins, the error continues to show up
[01:26] <ThePendulum> Yes
[01:26] <ThePendulum> holstein: "Unable to find or create trash directory."
[01:26] <ThePendulum> I'll just try to add the trash folder again, perhaps it works now
[01:27] <ThePendulum> Let me login again
[01:28] <creativetux> ThePendulum, delete them and they get created automatically
[01:28] <holstein> but you *can* delete them correct?
[01:28] <holstein> ....
[01:28] <holstein> creativetux: that what i assumed
[01:28] <creativetux> If you delete a .Trash folder, the next time you delete something in the GUI it will recreate them automatically
[01:28] <ThePendulum> It should, but if it could the error wouldn't show up, would it?
[01:29] <ThePendulum> "Unable to find or CREATE trash directory"
[01:29] <holstein> sudo mkdir it
[01:29] <ThePendulum> I did, won't work
[01:29] <holstein> rm them, and re-log, and they should just come back.. have you done that?
[01:29] <ThePendulum> Affirmative
[01:29] <holstein> why are they deleted?.. were you doing other things? is there a page you were pasting in from?
[01:30] <ThePendulum> I removed them because I thought they were left from when Windows was using the disks
[01:30] <holstein> ThePendulum: you *can* delete files, correct? the issue you have is un-deleting, correct?
[01:30] <ThePendulum> I wasn't aware Ubuntu called the trash bin .Trash-000
[01:30] <ThePendulum> holstein: Undeleting? No, I can't remove them by simply clicking 'delete' because there's no trash bin on the disk
[01:31] <holstein> ThePendulum: can you delete files/directories from the commandline?
[01:31] <ThePendulum> sudo rm works for sure, but that's a tad annoying
[01:31] <holstein> im just trying to be clear.. you *can* delete.. you are missing trash functionality.. like undelete
[01:32] <ThePendulum> holstein: Lol, no, I can NOT delete anything, for there is no trash dir present on the hard disks
[01:32] <creativetux> Sounds like permission or chown problem on the trash or the home folder so Thunar can't create it
[01:32] <ThePendulum> Open folder --> Select file --> Hit [delete] or rightclick:Delete --> Error("Unable to find or create trash directory")
[01:33] <creativetux> from the terminal can you delete using gvfs-trash <file to delete>  ?
[01:34] <holstein> ThePendulum: but you *can* delete using the commandline or no? im trying to make sure this is not something permissions related
[01:34] <ThePendulum> niels@niels-main:/mnt/stor1/Videos/TV/Blackadder$ gvfs-trash "Blackadder Icon.ico"
[01:34] <ThePendulum> Error trashing file: Unable to find or create trash directory
[01:34] <ThePendulum> holstein: I can only delete using sudo rm
[01:34] <holstein> OK, so you *can* delete... you likely have no permissions issues keeping files from being removed
[01:35] <ThePendulum> I can completely remove a file, but not 'trash' it by hitting [delete] or using the menu
[01:35] <creativetux> ThePendulum, check this out, you might need a .Trash and a .Trash-xxxx folder for files outside of your home: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=103194
[01:35] <GridCube> ThePendulum, what if you create a .trash folder?
[01:35] <ThePendulum> GridCube: I did that, it won't work for some reason
[01:36] <holstein> ThePendulum: yeah, but you didnt actually create a .trash directory
[01:36] <ThePendulum> Then what did I create?
[01:36] <creativetux> .Trash is for "home" files, the .Trash-1000 is for outside of home files
[01:36] <holstein> you likely created .Trash-000 or whatever
[01:36] <ThePendulum> I created a whole bunch of trash folders with different names
[01:36] <holstein> i think i would do *exactly* what GridCube suggests and see if it works
[01:36] <riddlebox> is there a way to stop thunar from opening every time I login?
[01:37] <ThePendulum> Wait, I got it now
[01:38] <GridCube> riddlebox, close a session with the "remember session" box checked, then it will remember you had nothing, also uninstall nautilus if you happen to have it, it remembers even if you tell it bnot to
[01:39] <riddlebox> GridCube, I will try it out thanks
[02:04] <leo-unglaub> hi, has someone worked with the SpaceFM file manager on xfce ubuntu?
[02:06] <GridCube> nope
[02:10] <riddlebox> GridCube, actually you dont have to remove nautilus, http://www.robsearles.com/2008/11/25/xubuntu-nautilus-overtakes-xfce-on-startup/
[02:11] <riddlebox> just rm -Rf /home/user/.cache and it works just fine
[02:11] <GridCube> well removing nautilus is always a good idea :P
[02:11] <riddlebox> :) it would have removed gnome-session and I do like to bounce into gnome3 once in a while
[02:12] <GridCube> well :) good it works then
[02:12] <riddlebox> yup
[08:18] <geek__> just wanna say moved from win7 to xubuntu and love it :)
[08:19] <hobgoblin> nice
[08:20] <geek__> it put life back into my laptop
[08:20] <geek__> unreal
[11:45] <nimrod10> hi all , how do I change the notification settings to use notify-osd instead of xfce4-notifyd ? I have them both installed on a xubuntu 11.10 system
[11:47] <TheSheep> nimrod10: I guess you select one with update-alternatives
[11:49] <nimrod10> TheSheep, how would I use update-alternatives ? what <name> should I use ?
[11:51] <TheSheep> nimrod10: I have no idea
[11:52] <nimrod10> thanks anyway :)
[11:53] <nimrod10> TheSheep, notification is not in the list of changable alternatives, just found out by   sudo update-alternatives --get-selections | less
[12:23] <martii> hey :)
[14:58] <alexandru4392> hello
[14:59] <alexandru4392> which dock should i choose
[14:59] <alexandru4392> awn,cairo or docky
[14:59] <ThePendulum> lol
[14:59] <alexandru4392> what
[15:00] <ThePendulum> that's your choice
[15:00] <Sysi> whatever feels best for you
[15:00] <Sysi> cairo has most options, I think docky is simplest
[15:00] <alexandru4392> using cairo
[15:01] <alexandru4392> and why does it shrink when it is full of icons
[15:01] <Sysi> to fit to screen?
[15:02] <alexandru4392> i have put lots of icons into the dock and now it's unreadable
[15:03] <ThePendulum> You may remove some then?
[15:08] <alexandru4392> removed some icons
[15:08] <alexandru4392> and now it is good
[15:16] <vas> hi there
[15:16] <vas> there is an utility chkconfig
[15:17] <alexandru4392> yes
[15:17] <vas> i do not know why it is not installed in xubuntu, how possible without it to disable services?
[15:19] <alexandru4392> does anybody want to see how my customized xubuntu looks like
[15:19] <vas> i actually installed it, but it doesn't work  - /sbin/insserv: No such file or directory
[15:19] <alexandru4392> for vas:sudo apt-get install chkconfig
[15:19] <vas> i did it
[15:20] <alexandru4392> for me it works
[15:20] <vas> try to: sudo chkconfig pulseaudio off
[15:20] <Sysi> it's used for sysv initscripts which are replaced by upstart
[15:20] <vas> I got: /sbin/insserv: No such file or directory
[15:20] <alexandru4392> it says pulseaudio on
[15:21] <Sysi> you need something to configure upstart
[15:22] <alexandru4392> does anybody want to see my desktop after theming and customization
[15:23] <vas> you mean /etc/rc5.d and just remove pulse by hand?
[15:23] <manuel__> Hello there =) I'm new at Xubuntu =)
[15:24] <vas> why chkconfig doesn't work? it should
[15:24] <Sysi> vas: before that I'd use apt-get, or maybe rename it. I don't really know upstart
[15:24] <Sysi> why should it? it's for old init system, even back then sysv-rc-config was better
[15:24] <knome> manuel__, hey
[15:25] <manuel__> knome? do u understand german?
[15:25] <Sysi> though I'm not sure how compatible upstart is with sysv
[15:25] <manuel__> I#m from germany and very interesstet in use linux dists
[15:26] <manuel__> I'll be back in a few min. clean up my room...
[15:27] <knome> !de | manuel__
[15:27] <vas> if chkconfig shows services it should be able to manage them
[15:28] <Sysi> somewhere should read that LoCo channels also do derivatives if they don't have own localized channel
[15:28] <Sysi> vas: seeing and editing are quite different
[15:29] <vas> have you read man for chkconfig?
[15:30] <Sysi> nope
[15:30] <vas> do it, please
[15:31] <knome> hum
[15:35] <Sysi> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1559266
[15:35] <Sysi> trying to find info that tells (me) chkconfig actully works
[15:38] <vas> I see - for ubuntu chkconfig is deprecated, one has to use update-rc.d, thanks - will try
[15:45] <vas> it works, thanks
[15:51] <manuel__> vielen dank ubottu
[15:51] <manuel__> ist der #ubuntu-de channel auch auf diesem server vertreten?
[16:48] <tomasz> Hi! I have encountered a bug in 12.04 installation process and want to file a bug report on bugzilla. I am reading through, HOW TO manual on reporting bugs and it says to provide info on a package that causes probles. How on earth should I provide anything since the system didn't install?
[16:49] <tomasz> sorry, I meant launchpad.
[16:51] <lina> hello
[16:52] <lina> please help me to disable the start of LOGIN SCREEN in Xubuntu 11.10
[16:52] <lina> greets!
[16:52] <lina> i'm the only one user and i wont to be automaticaly log in, without pressing Login :)
[16:52] <lina> anybody?
[16:56] <knome> lina, you need to edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf. google for "lightdm autologin" :)
[17:12] <Luisa> Hey, i got a problem: I used Ubuntu on my netbook and there I am using LightDM with this nice red design. Now I installed Xubuntu on my other machine and there is LightDM, too, but it is very ugly. I just searched and found a config-file, but every time i try changing, nothing is working
[17:13] <Luisa> where do I get this ubuntu or other themes?
[17:14] <ThePendulum> Luisa: http://xfce-look.org/ ?
[17:24] <Luisa> ThePendulum: thanks! But on the first looks, i cant find what i am looking for - can i use GDM with XFCE?
[17:35] <echoJONES> Luisa: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1931149&highlight=xubuntu+change+login+screen
[17:36] <echoJONES> haven't tried this myself though
[17:41] <Luisa> echoJONES: Think I tried these configs, but I will again, perhabs i did a mistake
[19:41] <ra1ndr0p> can i get help with ndiswrapper?
[19:43] <ra1ndr0p> Or where can i get a ubuntu driver for my USB wireless card?
[19:43] <GridCube> mmm ra1ndr0p what model is it?
[19:43] <well_laid_lawn> dmesg will tell
[19:44] <GridCube> also lsusb
[19:46] <ra1ndr0p> Netgear WNA3100
[19:47] <ra1ndr0p> I have gotten all of the drivers installed through ndiswrapper but even after reboot there is no option for connecting through wireless
[19:49] <well_laid_lawn> you need to know the chip on the wifi dongle to find out what module it needs
[19:49] <GridCube> ra1ndr0p, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1549190
[19:50] <ra1ndr0p> Yah just went through that, where can i locate ntoskernal_io.c?
[19:50] <ra1ndr0p> oh i think i found it, thanks
[19:51] <ra1ndr0p> yah nevermind where can i find ntoskernal_io.c?
[19:54] <ra1ndr0p> i found it! Its actually spelled ntoskernel_io.c
[20:14] <ubuntu> can sombody please help me?  I have nuked grub and can't seem to reinstall it.  I have tried several walkthrus even installed "boot-repair" still no dice
[20:14] <ubuntu> am on an xubuntu live cd
[20:14] <ubuntu> have a partition map writtin down
[20:39] <ThePendulum> Are there any decent movie editors for Ubuntu?
[20:44] <ubuntu> ThePendulum, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/top5-linux-video-editing-system-software/
[20:50] <Marzata> ThePendulum: no.
[21:01] <noahk11> .
[21:01] <ra1ndr0p> I need help making ndiswrapper from source
[21:02] <ra1ndr0p> If I run make it says: cannot find kernal version in /lib/ etc.
[21:09] <ahcrap> hi folks
[21:10] <ahcrap> got a question ( prob useless)  how come Xubuntu is suposed to be based on xfce and its filled to the guillies with gnome crap ?
[21:14] <jadoe> How do I set default sound output? From time to time HDMI out is selected after reboot, instead of Analog Stereo out.
[21:16] <luroh> jadoe: i had a similar problem with onboard sound vs pci sound card and ended up blacklisting the onboard driver
[21:16] <luroh> but perhaps you're not interested in blacklisting anything
[21:18] <luroh> let me boot up that machine and check, perhaps i found a better way and left some notes around for future reference...
[21:18] <jadoe> one and the same onboard chip handles both, blacklisting doesn't help me
[21:19] <luroh> i see
[21:23] <luroh> jadoe: fwiw, i added the following at the end of my alsa-base.conf
[21:24] <luroh> options snd-emu10k1 index=0
[21:24] <luroh> options snd-via82xx index=1
[21:24] <luroh> but as you say, that may not apply in your case
[21:25] <luroh> (in my case, i wanted the soundblaster pci card to be the default at every boot)
[21:34] <jadoe> I just found out how to set this from terminal: pactl set-card-profile 0 output:analog-stereo. I'll autorun it on login, I guess.
[21:34] <jadoe> Thanks anyway
[21:35] <luroh> np, thanks for that tip
[22:34] <flo_> hi everybody.... sorry for my bad english, but i'm italian
[22:34] <knome> hullo
[22:35] <flo_> can somebody explain to me how xubuntu automount an usb storage device?
[22:35] <flo_> i'd like to change the permission on my usb key automatically...


[19:34] <balloons> flocculant, are you saying I should just mark this won't fix? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1532840
[19:34] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1532840 in Ubuntu QA Website "'Bugs to look for' table only displays on active results, when logged in" [Undecided,New]
[19:41] <dkessel> nuclearbob: we wondered if there is any update on the reporting issue for the ubiquity autotests yesterday. Is there?
[19:41] <flocculant> balloons: in my mind I'd say yes
[19:42] <flocculant> balloons: why do we need to see archive detail? it's either current or of no importance
[19:42] <nuclearbob> dkessel: there isn't at present. I'm working on getting the automated iso tests in better shape right now
[19:43] <flocculant> balloons: if it's current - then it should be on today's results - enough that old bugs get shown as having affected
[19:44] <flocculant> and especially my second point - what's the use in showing a bug that appeared today (example) on an archive from last year?
[19:44] <flocculant> if we're trying to deal with the tracker - then information presented to testers should be of use to them
[19:44] <balloons> flocculant, I'll put it as won't fix -- if anyone else has a similar complaint we can re-open
[19:44] <flocculant> yep - wfm
[19:44] <balloons> no one else is voicing any opposition, so ;-)
[19:45] <flocculant> :)
[19:45] <balloons> that might be the first time I 'won't fix' to my own bug
[19:45] <flocculant> I'm a bit 'aaaah' atm - but ploughing through the website bugs and trying to sort them out a bit is on my list
[19:46] <flocculant> as is February's hack at testcase stuff
[19:46] <flocculant> hi dkessel nuclearbob :)
[19:46] <nuclearbob> flocculant: howdy
[19:47] <dkessel> Hey flocculant :)
[19:47] <flocculant> balloons dkessel nuclearbob - one thing that has just occured to me ...
[19:48] <flocculant> what actual difference is there in Ubuntu or flavourbuntu as far as this testing goes?
[19:49] <flocculant> perhaps from this angle it reads better - if Ubuntu fails - do all flavours actually fail at the same point? with the same thing?
[19:49] <flocculant> if that's the case then ...
[19:49] <balloons> trying to fix the top20 -> top100 link.. and some other little things
[19:49] <balloons> I think I got'em
[19:49] <flocculant> \o/
[19:49] <nuclearbob> flocculant: ubuntu testing is running on qa hardware, but since the flavor testing isn't publishing right, I can't tell you whether flavors fail at the same time
[19:49] <flocculant> heh
[19:50] <balloons> anyone volunteer to do a summary of all the changes that have happened? It would be a wonderful writeup to share with everyone
[19:50] <balloons> wxl? tsimonq2? flocculant? dkessel?
[19:50] <balloons> lol, I'll just keep naming names till one sticks :-)
[19:50] <flocculant> nuclearbob: I just wondered - because if that *was* the case, then flavours would just need to read the ubuntu published item
[19:50] <teward> lol
[19:50] <flocculant> balloons: ha ha ha
[19:50] <wxl> random pings! omg it's like being on #freenode
[19:51] <nuclearbob> flocculant: yeah
[19:51] <wxl> you're trying to get all the recent changes to ubuntu quality summed up in a blog, balloons ?
[19:52] <flocculant> nuclearbob: though actually now I think about it - xubuntu draws the desktop that the try/install dialogue sits on with feh - so I guess that'd be enough difference
[19:52] <flocculant> (I think that's correct - it stopped us getting a black background to the try/install choice)
[19:53] <balloons> wxl, yes. In particular the tracker changes
[19:53] <flocculant> balloons: \o/
[19:53] <flocculant> I can excuse myself - no blog :D
[19:54] <balloons> mailing list post works too -- but we like pictures!
[19:54] <wxl> balloons: oh yeah that's what i meant. is this only gci tasks? are all of the changes tracked somewhere? cuz if they are, i can do it, i think :)
[19:54] <wxl> balloons: and/or help tsimonq2 do it :) but he's got a membership meeting tomorrow, so maybe not. you coming, btw?
[19:54] <balloons> wxl, yes.. the changelog for the project should jog your memory nicely. We should have the bugs fixed listed in there too
[19:55] <wxl> balloons: count me in then.
[19:55] <flocculant> I can try and sort a bug fixed list today
[19:55] <balloons> wxl, tsimonq2, yea I can be there for him. Which timeslot are you going in on? ohh -- I see @ 22:00
[19:55] <wxl> flocculant: awesome!
[19:56] <balloons> wxl, thank you much! If you need help grokking anything, let me know.
[19:56] <wxl> balloons: i got him working on a project that may help with that. trying to figure out a way to provide a summary of qa activity within a certain stretch of time. you know, to show consistency.
[19:56] <balloons> so top100 link should work, can you confirm?
[19:56] <balloons> ahh, that sounds like right up this alley then
[19:57] <wxl> balloons: totes. ideally it'll be a python script, but maybe we could throw it on the tracker, too, as quality rather than quantity is always preferable :)
[19:57] <flocculant> balloons: ack - works
[19:57] <wxl> balloons: we were discussing the problems with the top 100 list and that kind of led to it
[20:00] <balloons> I am all for such ideas -- go for it
[20:00] <wxl> balloons: sounds good. he may be in touch later today about it
[20:02] <wxl> tsimonq2: read above. balloons is more than willing to help you with that project i gave you :)
[20:09] <flocculant> balloons: mmm
[20:09] <flocculant> houston we have a problem ...
[20:09] <flocculant> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/defects
[20:10] <flocculant> only showing me the rather pointless list of xenial alpha2 bugs :)
[20:10] <balloons> wait -- we just SPOKE about this!
[20:10] <flocculant> what?
[20:10] <flocculant> no we didn't
[20:10] <balloons> lol, that was my bug
[20:11] <flocculant> well
[20:11] <balloons> or maybe the bug was poorly worded -- but essentially that's what I was crying foul over
[20:11] <flocculant> I read your bug as something COMPLETELY different
[20:11] <balloons> ahh
[20:11] <balloons> well, what do you want on that page?
[20:11] <balloons> I expect the other active milestones to also show any bugs
[20:11] <flocculant> eg - why would I be the slightest bit interested in old stuff :p
[20:12] <flocculant> I expect ALL active milestones to show bugs
[20:12] <flocculant> I expect ALL inactive milestones to wander off into the mists of time :)
[20:12] <balloons> right -- so we agree. And also my bug report sucks apparently
[20:13] <flocculant> balloons: you pointed me at something completely different :)
[20:13] <balloons> ohh I see now
[20:13] <flocculant> you linked to specific old builds and the bug lists - I see no need to see anything there
[20:14] <balloons> I guess I never reported the defects page
[20:14] <balloons> but I did notice it, and thought that bug was it
[20:14] <flocculant> ok
[20:14] <balloons> anyways, we need a proper bug for it and a fix too ;-)
[20:14] <flocculant> I'll let you get away with [20:10:39] <balloons> wait -- we just SPOKE about this! then :p
[20:14] <flocculant> I'll report that now
[20:14] <flocculant> in English :D
[20:16] <flocculant> balloons: bug 1541586
[20:16] <ubot5`> bug 1541586 in Ubuntu QA Website "Defect summary missing active milestones" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1541586
[20:20] <flocculant> wxl: you seen bug 1540003 ?
[20:20] <ubot5`> bug 1540003 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "[Lubuntu] Test cases for Release Upgrades" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1540003
[20:21] <wxl> flocculant: yeah i pointed that out to him. he's working on it. :)
[20:22] <flocculant> wxl: tsimonq2 is on your release team?
[20:22] <wxl> flocculant: he's been helping out extensively, yes
[20:23] <flocculant> wxl: maybe - but is he in the lubuntu release team on LP - if not he'll not be fixing that
[20:23] <wxl> flocculant: ah, well, we might need to make him on it :)
[20:23] <flocculant> needs specific access to the tracker admin side to fix it afaik
[20:23] <flocculant> hence - my @wxl on that bug :)
[20:24] <wxl> flocculant: well, it's in my inbox but yes thank you for pointing it out :)
[20:24] <flocculant> ok - not meaning to rabbit on about it - but I tend to corral the testcase bugs ;)
[20:24] <flocculant> manual
[20:25] <flocculant> by rabbit on I mean I want to get the list down to one page :p
[21:14] <flocculant> balloons: do we know which commit caused the defect list issue?
[21:15] <balloons> flocculant, yes -- the changes made to that page included it I believe
[21:16] <flocculant> ok - so not a major issue, where it's hidden away
[21:16] <flocculant> says me - when any code thing would be a major issue ;)
[21:33] <balloons> flocculant, :-) Yea, it slipped in during the frenzy of updates
[21:33] <balloons> really should have caught it, but I agree it's not super critical. So we can fix it now
[22:07] <tsimonq2> *YAWN* been sick with something, just now got a chance to be online
[22:07] <wxl> still sick? :( did you drink liquids like i told you, young man???? ;)
[22:08] <wxl> wasn't it you, balloons, who referred to the "ubunflu?" XD
[22:08] <tsimonq2> wxl: yeah I'm getting better
[22:08] <wxl> tsimonq2: glad to hear it. keep maintaining yourself.
[22:08] <tsimonq2> anyways, be back soon to look at what you people have been rambling about XD
[22:17] <tsimonq2> balloons: haven't gotten down all the way in backlogs but I would be open to whipping something up for the changes over the weekend to throw somewhere :)
[22:21] <tsimonq2> flocculant: lol I wouldn't mind the same "rabbiting" for the test case bugs XD
[23:15] <tsimonq2> balloons: does the tracker have api docs?


[04:19] <mup> Bug #1312013 changed: "cannot allocate memory" error when running `juju authorised-keys` <authorised-keys> <juju-core:Expired> <juju-core 1.25:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1312013>
[22:26] <thumper> ugh
[22:26] <thumper> need more coffee
[23:14] <menn0> thumper: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6456 pls