[03:13]  * pavlushka yawns
[04:32] <RemonShai> pavlushka, how're you??? I'm back....
[04:33] <pavlushka> RemonShai: I am great, thanks, and what about you?
[04:34] <RemonShai> pavlushka, এই তো....! মোটামুটি মাস খানেক পরীক্ষা সংক্রন্ত ঝামেলা নাই।
[04:35] <pavlushka> RemonShai: should feel like heaven then for you, :p
[04:35] <RemonShai> oops.... :)
[07:05] <Kilos> hi pavlushka and other guys
[07:05] <pavlushka> Morning Kilos !
[07:05] <Kilos> haha i worked it out
[07:06] <Kilos> can you ask researcher on fb to come talk to me please
[07:06] <Kilos> i first have to go do chores
[07:08] <pavlushka> on it.
[07:08] <pavlushka> Kilos: but he is not in my list.
[07:09] <Kilos> ai!
[09:19] <RemonShai> আজকাল AudaciousTUX এর সাথে কথাই হয় না...! কিরাম আছেন?
[09:20] <Kilos> hi RemonShai
[09:20] <RemonShai> hi my friend Kilos
[09:20] <Kilos> how are you lad?
[09:21] <RemonShai> after sleeping, now **** hahahahahaha
[09:22] <RemonShai> how're you, Kilos?
[09:22] <Kilos> haha
[09:22] <Kilos> im ok ty
[09:22] <RemonShai> ty too...
[09:24] <RemonShai> I don't understand one thing...! that is launchpad. in launchpad → jabber???
[09:25] <Kilos> jabber is the original xmpp im client
[09:25] <Kilos> like google talk
[09:26] <RemonShai> how can I fulfill it??
[09:27] <Kilos> try google jabber.org
[09:28] <Kilos> i dont have data atm to do much googling
[09:30] <RemonShai> o... its okey. but I don't understand openPGP key, SSH key, Signed Ubuntu Code of Conduct  too.
[09:31] <Kilos> pavel will help you
[09:31] <Kilos> thats tricky stuff for me
[09:35] <RemonShai>  okey :)
[10:25] <kamrul> QA, coffee please
[10:25] <QA> kamrul: There isn't a pot on
[10:25] <kamrul> QA, coffee on
[10:25]  * QA starts grinding coffee
[10:29] <QA> Coffee's ready for kamrul!
[10:30] <kamrul> QA, thank you
[10:30] <QA> kamrul: no problemo
[10:37] <Kilos> hi kamrul
[10:44] <kamrul> hi
[10:46] <zaki> Kilos, that was my friend.
[10:46] <Kilos> was or is
[10:46] <Kilos> oh he left
[10:46] <Kilos> ai
[10:47] <zaki> ha ha. :D
[10:47] <Kilos> keep them coming here
[10:47] <Kilos> wb kamrul
[10:47] <zaki> wb
[10:47] <Kilos> zaki make him feel welcome so he stays here
[10:48] <zaki> yes. :)
[10:49] <kamrul> thank you guys
[10:53] <zaki> Kilos, talk to you later, study time. bye
[10:53] <Kilos> study hard lad
[10:54] <zaki> :)
[16:03] <pavlushka> Hello everyone and QA!
[16:03] <pavlushka> :p
[16:04] <AudaciousTUX> :v
[16:08] <pavlushka> AudaciousTUX: why you are marked away? select automatically unmark away in the settings, :)
[16:10] <AudaciousTUX> ami beshirvag shomoy away e thaki :p
[16:10] <AudaciousTUX> pc te gan saira choila jai
[16:30] <pavlushka> HEllo kamrul !
[16:46] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:50] <pavlushka> Hello zaki wewlcome
[16:51] <Kilos> hi pavlushka zaki
[16:51] <Kilos> wb kamrul
[16:51] <zaki> hi pavlushka, Kilos :)
[16:52] <zaki> what are you doing guys?
[16:53] <kamrul> Kilos, thanks
[16:54] <Kilos> waiting for stormers rubgy game
[16:54] <Kilos> rugby
[16:56] <zaki> http://thestormers.com/home/
[16:57] <Kilos> super rugby 1/4 finals
[16:57] <zaki> oh.
[16:57] <Kilos> stormers/chiefs
[16:58] <zaki>  i don't know how to play rugby. :|
[16:58] <zaki> :D
[16:58] <Kilos> but i learned a bit more about locos and wikis and sites today
[17:01] <kamrul> hey guys i have a question
[17:01] <Kilos> ask
[17:01] <Kilos> always feel free to ask for help
[17:02] <Kilos> we are all friends here
[17:03] <zaki> (y)
[17:03] <kamrul> do you know about other video player beside  vlc
[17:03] <kamrul> or then vlc
[17:03] <kamrul> better then vlc
[17:03] <Kilos> your system comes with a built in media player
[17:04] <Kilos> but i use vlc for everything
[17:04] <Kilos> what OS are you using kamrul
[17:05] <kamrul> vlc is the best.i know....but other player....ubuntu 16.4.1
[17:06] <zaki> pavlushka, tell me about it https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bengali-translation
[17:06] <Kilos> kamrul if you right click the file and choose open with
[17:06] <pavlushka> zaki: try to see in the translation section of that page.
[17:07] <Kilos> then media you should see other installed media players
[17:08] <Kilos> or just google media players for 16.04
[17:08] <kamrul> okay.thank you
[17:09] <Kilos> zaki what is the default media player man
[17:09] <pavlushka> Totem
[17:09] <Kilos> pavlushka is using xubuntu so he wont know unless he has unity going somewhere
[17:10] <pavlushka> Kilos: I have Ubuntu, lubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu-MATE
[17:10] <Kilos> brag
[17:10] <Kilos> one missing still
[17:11] <pavlushka> hahaha, i cant afford that, the k thing\
[17:11] <Kilos> kubuntu isnt mush heavier than ubuntu
[17:11] <Kilos> they pretty close
[17:12] <Kilos> if you can run unity you can run kde
[17:12] <pavlushka> Kilos: I am actually dragging the Ubuntu, so dont like to drag two, :p
[17:12] <zaki> videos or totem Kilos
[17:13] <Kilos> oh ok
[17:13] <Kilos> i dont even look at other media players, just install vlc from the beginning
[17:14] <Kilos> and i can watch any dvds
[17:14] <zaki> i use vlc for for playing videos, and clementine for mp3
[17:14] <Kilos> kamrul why do you ask this, are you having problems with vlc
[17:14] <zaki> pavlushka, there everything translated.
[17:14] <Kilos> i use vlc for everything
[17:15] <pavlushka> what i got is lubuntu is not for the starters but very light, and Love Ubuntu-MATE
[17:15] <zaki> arc flat theme is working nice in unity
[17:16] <pavlushka> zaki: download po files of any app to translate and after completing, just upload, I used that because I wasn't in the ubuntu-bd translation team.
[17:17] <zaki> oh.
[17:17] <pavlushka> But I have pretty good experience on reader friendly translating, that helped me
[17:18] <pavlushka> zaki: I used poedit to edit the downloaded po files
[17:19] <pavlushka> poedit is the best in this regard
[17:19] <zaki> Kilos, may be he want to use a media player that have nice user interface. ha ha.. :D he is good at watching movies and cartoons. :D
[17:19] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:19] <pavlushka> :D
[17:19] <pavlushka> we need some one like that, to write some review, :p
[17:20] <zaki> lol
[17:21] <zaki> i used vlc  when i was a windows user.
[17:22] <zaki> pavlushka, https://poedit.net/ ?
[17:23] <pavlushka> btw xubuntu default is parole, but I grow up with Ubuntu using Totem, so I just installed it on Xubuntu, :p
[17:23] <pavlushka> and I like gnome-mplayer too
[17:24] <pavlushka> and for music its Audacious
[17:24] <pavlushka> zaki: yes
[17:28] <pavlushka> Kilos: but after getting a high performance machine, sure will try KDE, I like KDE, watched a video where the guy said that one of his friend is using KDE. :p
[17:28] <zaki> installing poedit\
[17:28] <pavlushka> Kilos: no seriously, In liked KDE and will try.
[17:28] <zaki> ha ha..
[17:31] <zaki> pavlushka, poedit সম্পর্কে আমাকে আগে বলা দরকার ছিল। :p
[17:32] <pavlushka> zaki: you haven't asked, :p
[17:32] <zaki> you should guess. :p
[17:32] <pavlushka> but zaki you should discuss with mak on translation, I recommend that.
[17:34] <zaki> oky.
[17:35] <zaki> Kilos, what you learned today about locos? says something back there.
[17:36] <Kilos> let me see if i can find some of the info to share here
[17:38] <Kilos> i was given steps
[17:38] <Kilos> 1  create a wiki for the loco
[17:39] <Kilos> 2 ask lc for a domain name. that is a .org
[17:39] <Kilos> 3 After years/months/days my team developed a proper website, so I ask LC to change the ubuntu-el.org redirection to my new HOSTING with my new website
[17:41] <Kilos> so now i know the steps into getting a website with an .org domain name
[17:43] <zaki> oh.
[17:44] <pavlushka> Kilos: wow!
[17:44]  * pavlushka claps
[17:44] <Kilos> you need to find guys that can do bazaar work
[17:44] <Kilos> then we build you guys a static website like za and africa sites
[17:44] <pavlushka> hmm.
[17:45] <Kilos> static sites are faster and more secure
[17:45] <zaki> don't know much about bazaar
[17:46] <zaki> version control system
[17:47] <Kilos> our sites are built with nikola and bzr
[17:48] <Kilos> built on launchpad so you score karma points all the time as well
[17:48] <zaki> nice
[17:52] <zaki> pavlushka, import queue is empty for Ubuntu-Bengali-translation
[17:59] <zaki> Generated Diff Size Limit: what is this Kilos ?
[18:00] <Kilos> lol i have no idea
[18:01] <zaki> got it.
[18:01] <zaki> In computing, the diff utility is a data comparison tool that calculates and displays the differences between two files. Unlike edit distance notions used for other purposes, diff is line-oriented rather than character-oriented, but it is like Levenshtein distance in that it tries to determine the smallest set of deletions and insertions to create one file from the other.
[18:02] <Kilos> yes but why did you want to know that
[18:02] <zaki> when i;m trying to subscribe in a branch, this diff option pop upd
[18:02] <Kilos> i thought it was something you were doing that gave that error
[18:02] <zaki> nope. Ha ha.
[18:04] <zaki> in launcpad.
[18:04] <zaki> brb, time for diner
[18:04] <Kilos> enjoy
[18:17] <zaki> wb pavlushka
[18:17] <Kilos> wb pavlushka
[18:17] <Kilos> haha
[18:18] <Kilos> you supposed to be eating zaki
[18:18] <pavlushka> lol
[18:18] <pavlushka> thanks!
[18:19] <zaki> eating done. :D
[18:20] <zaki> wb RemonShai  :)
[18:21] <zaki> Kilos, had your diner?
[18:21] <Kilos> so quick
[18:21] <RemonShai> zaki, yeh......
[18:21] <Kilos> yes i had dinner 1 1/2 hours ago ty
[18:21] <zaki> say about your problem
[18:21] <Kilos> hi RemonShai
[18:22] <Kilos> dinner is 2 n's zaki
[18:22] <RemonShai> hi Kilos & zaki
[18:23] <RemonShai> zaki, Signed Ubuntu Code of Conduct: ??
[18:23] <pavlushka> zaki: http://bazaar.canonical.com/en/
[18:23] <pavlushka> RemonShai: hello
[18:23] <RemonShai> pavlushka, hi
[18:23] <pavlushka> RemonShai: got your message on FB, on it
[18:23] <RemonShai> me back again...
[18:24] <pavlushka> RemonShai: ssh keys are keys to secure your ssh connections and shells
[18:24] <RemonShai> how to fulfill that??
[18:25] <zaki> yes i signed that
[18:25] <zaki> RemonShai,
[18:25] <pavlushka> QA define gpg | RemonShai
[18:25] <QA> pavlushka: I don't have a definition for that. Is it even a word?
[18:25] <pavlushka> QA define gpg
[18:25] <QA> pavlushka: GPG GNU Privacy Guard (GNU)
[18:26] <pavlushka> RemonShai: gpg key is to secure your almost every online activity including mail transferring using the machine where gpgp key is stored/installed.
[18:27] <pavlushka> RemonShai: jabber is not necessary if dont wish to bother, :)
[18:27] <RemonShai> pavlushka, how can i get?
[18:27] <pavlushka> RemonShai: what?
[18:27] <RemonShai> gpg
[18:28] <pavlushka> RemonShai: give me some moment, on looking for some contents for zaki
[18:28] <zaki> RemonShai, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[18:29] <zaki> this one helped me a lot getting my gpg key. :)
[18:29] <pavlushka> zaki: http://bazaar.canonical.com/en/, http://blog.launchpad.net/general/exporting-translations-to-a-bazaar-branch, http://blog.launchpad.net/releases/launchpad-223-multiple-ppas-and-translation-imports-from-bazaar
[18:29] <RemonShai> after trying i'll back.
[18:30] <pavlushka> zaki: https://launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[18:31] <pavlushka> zaki: get bzr package installed in your system, try "man bzr" then, :)
[18:32] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:32] <Kilos> this looks interesting
[18:32] <zaki> try RemonShai and if any problem happen, let us know. :)
[18:33] <zaki> it's better to use terminal RemonShai
[18:34] <pavlushka> zaki: to configure, I feel the CLI way easier, has less problems, configured my sis and cousins keys that way, :)
[18:36] <pavlushka> and mine
[18:37] <pavlushka> zaki: dont add the bzr ppa, that has no 16.04 candidate.
[18:37] <pavlushka> install bzr from regular repository
[18:38] <zaki> after generating my gpg key i useed "gpa" to sign my ubuntu code of conduct.
[18:38] <RemonShai> pavlushka, zaki yea
[18:38] <zaki> pavlushka, oky.
[18:38] <pavlushka> zaki: gpg key is the pre-requisite for signing the Code of conduct, :)
[18:38] <zaki> hmm
[18:38] <Kilos> i struggled with that
[18:39] <Kilos> think we even had a how to in trello at one time
[18:39] <pavlushka> Kilos: it took me a whole day for me as that was my first, :)
[18:39] <Kilos> i really battled
[18:39] <zaki> ha ha.
[18:39] <Kilos> fly had to help me
[18:39] <zaki> i;m in good position than. :p
[18:40] <pavlushka> zaki: but you got me, and you are good at catching up, lucky you
[18:40] <zaki> RemonShai, how is it going?
[18:40] <zaki> ha ha.. :)
[18:41] <Kilos> see this is how a team works, everyone helps anyone that needs help
[18:41] <pavlushka> Kilos: you should keep that how to still in trello
[18:42] <Kilos> i think it is still there pavlushka but trello also uses data
[18:43] <pavlushka> Kilos: "think we even had a how to in trello at one time", the had created the confusion, should have used Have, :p
[18:43] <Kilos> well
[18:44] <Kilos> im not sure what is there anymore
[18:44] <Kilos> we used it daily for months then everyone got busy with other stuff
[18:45] <pavlushka> Kilos: from last meeting, ZA guys including you are supposed to work on trello to my knowledge, :)
[18:46] <Kilos> yes i helped clean out some of the stuff that was out of date or ready to be archived
[18:46] <RemonShai> finally i'm angry to see that again and again https://paste.ubuntu.com/20634944/
[18:46] <Kilos> you watch me hey
[18:46] <Kilos> hehe
[18:46] <RemonShai> pavlushka, finally i'm angry to see that again and again https://paste.ubuntu.com/20634944/
[18:46] <pavlushka> RemonShai: keep your cool, relax
[18:47] <pavlushka> RemonShai: noticed that when you said it first.
[18:47] <Kilos> lol
[18:47] <Kilos> relax young man
[18:47] <RemonShai> pavlushka, yeh....
[18:48] <pavlushka> RemonShai: you have no need to install enigmail for this, first complete the gpg key creating.
[18:48] <Kilos> patience works better on computers
[18:48] <zaki> yes.
[18:49] <pavlushka> RemonShai: the reboot way will work for you without any other side effects except being offline, :(
[18:49] <RemonShai> i think so...
[18:50] <pavlushka> RemonShai: try logging off first
[18:50] <pavlushka> see if that works
[18:52] <zaki> pavlushka, why logging off?
[18:52] <pavlushka> Kilos: I told you already which group of people I keep an eye like NSA, :p
[18:52] <Kilos> lol
[18:53] <pavlushka> zaki: can you fix that https://paste.ubuntu.com/20634944/, happened to me few times recently, but rm way get me into some other problem, so logging of to terminate zombie process
[18:54] <pavlushka> zaki: if the process is really become zombie there's an CLI way to deal with it.
[18:55] <pavlushka> zaki:run "ps -aux"
[18:56] <pavlushka> RemonShai: dont install enigmail, tell us the progress of gpg key creation.
[18:57] <RemonShai> pavlushka, i installed bzr.    now?
[18:58] <pavlushka> RemonShai: why? I told it to zaki, its not for you man.
[18:58] <zaki> pavlushka, RemonShai's key generation is complete may be, now he have to publish it in ubuntu key server
[18:59] <RemonShai> zaki, yeh... I installed it.           then???
[18:59] <Kilos> pavlushka here is our trello
[19:00] <Kilos> and the gpg how to is gone sigh
[19:00] <Kilos> https://trello.com/b/GKXXiBxU/ubuntu-south-africa-loco
[19:00] <Kilos> maybe in archives
[19:01] <Kilos> hi walrider
[19:01] <walrider> pavlushka: bhai asen ?
[19:01] <walrider> helo kilos uncl how u doing
[19:02] <pavlushka> walrider: you remind me of টিকটিক, দেয়ালে থাকে, :p
[19:02] <pavlushka> টিকটিকি
[19:03] <walrider> pavlushka:  bhai ami amar team er shathe kotha bolsi ora bollo raji
[19:03] <pavlushka> welcome walrider , exam over?
[19:03] <pavlushka> walrider: copy that
[19:03] <walrider> pavlushka: ho bhai akhon just practical baki ogula 27 tarikh
[19:04] <walrider> pavlushka: akhon amar aktu office jaia dekha lagto bhai apne aktu office er apner known karo shathe kotha bolanor bebostha kore den please
[19:05] <Kilos> ok ty walrider and you
[19:05] <walrider> Kilos:  me too ucle
[19:05] <pavlushka> RemonShai: hold on a second, please
[19:10] <pavlushka> RemonShai: "gpg --send-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com $GPGKEY" to upload the key to ubuntu key server.
[19:13] <zaki> RemonShai,
[19:14] <pavlushka> RemonShai: for example "pg --send-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com D8FC66D2"
[19:17] <RemonShai> pavlushka, বুঝতেছি না। কোন ভিডিও টিউটোরিয়াল থাকলে দেন্।
[19:17] <pavlushka> RemonShai: for example "gpg --send-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com D8FC66D2"
[19:19] <pavlushka> RemonShai: আপনি এখন পর্যন্ত কি কি করসেন, steps গুলা বলেন অথবা command গুলো output সহ paste.ubuntu.com এ পেস্ট করেন
[19:20] <RemonShai> আমি শুধু bzr ইনস্টল করছি, তারপর থেকেই বুঝতেছি না।
[19:20] <zaki> after Publishing gpg key in ubuntu key server you can use gpa to decrypt or encrypt anything
[19:20] <zaki> oh my
[19:21] <pavlushka> RemonShai: bzr দিয়ে আপনার কোন কাজ নাই
[19:22] <pavlushka> RemonShai: একটা একটা করে বলছি, run করেন আর output paste.ubuntu.com এ পেস্ট করেন
[19:22] <RemonShai> pavlushka, আমাকে step by step বললে , আমার জন্য সুবিধে হয়।
[19:22] <pavlushka> RemonShai: একটা একটা করে বলছি, run করেন আর output paste.ubuntu.com এ পেস্ট করেন, ঠিক আছে RemonShai ?
[19:23] <RemonShai> OK... let's go.......
[19:24] <pavlushka> RemonShai: first get into normal usermode that is $ sign promp, got it?
[19:24] <RemonShai> yea.....
[19:25] <pavlushka> RemonShai: now run  "gpg --gen-key"
[19:26] <pavlushka> RemonShai: what it says?
[19:27] <RemonShai> https://paste.ubuntu.com/20640272/
[19:27] <pavlushka> RemonShai: put 1 and press enter
[19:28] <RemonShai> https://paste.ubuntu.com/20640535/
[19:30] <pavlushka> RemonShai: you see that default is Zero, so just hit enter.
[19:31] <RemonShai> Real name দিতে বলতেছে, এখানে<আমার নাম> নাকি?
[19:31] <pavlushka> RemonShai: yep
[19:32] <zaki> pavlushka, http://askubuntu.com/questions/15433/unable-to-lock-the-administration-directory-var-lib-dpkg-is-another-process
[19:35] <RemonShai> pavlushka, passphrase মানে কি?
[19:35] <pavlushka> zaki: did I told you to run "ps -aux"? see? and then the "| grep" filtering will come into act, :p
[19:35] <zaki> pavlushka, yes
[19:36] <zaki> ps aux | grep apt ?
[19:36] <zaki> passphrase mean your password RemonShai
[19:36] <pavlushka> RemonShai: just like password, but its very important in this case, so write it down, create a backup, as hard copy and soft copy.
[19:37] <Kilos> pavlushka im proud of you, you are becoming a good tutor
[19:37] <pavlushka> zaki: well if you used apt to manage package, but generally for apt, this kind of problem never rises, :)
[19:38] <pavlushka> Kilos: dont make me nervous, please, ;p
[19:38] <Kilos> keep it up
[19:39] <pavlushka> Kilos: thanks you, appreciated, :)
[19:39] <walrider> pavlushka:  bhai team lekhte gia auto correct  hoia gese
[19:39] <walrider> teen hoia gese
[19:39] <Kilos> a good tutor is never to impatient to go step by step with a new user
[19:40] <pavlushka> copy that, will keep in mind.
[19:41] <pavlushka> walrider: no problem, I got that but just kidding, :p
[19:41] <zaki> pavlushka, yes got it
[19:41] <RemonShai> pavlushka, https://paste.ubuntu.com/20642175/
[19:42] <pavlushka> zaki: the gui package managers usually creates the problems.
[19:43] <walrider> pavlushka: apner number den bhai :|
[19:43] <zaki> some people suggest to delete that lock. :|
[19:44] <walrider> ar office ta koi jani ?
[19:44] <pavlushka> RemonShai: keep doing other works, the more is your computer activity, the quick the gpg key will be generated.
[19:44] <pavlushka> walrider: corp Gulshan-2, noc - Banglamotor
[19:44] <Kilos> haha i just typed a lot of gibberish
[19:44] <zaki> RemonShai, this part is fun. :D
[19:44] <walrider> pavlushka: ok bhaii
[19:45] <RemonShai> zaki, যেমন?
[19:45] <walrider> pavlushka: bhai 16.04.1 kamon ?
[19:45] <walrider> dekhsen ?
[19:46] <pavlushka> zaki: read that well, the poster itself said that it is the last resort, noticed that?
[19:46] <pavlushka> walrider: better, faster, nicer
[19:46] <zaki> yes.
[19:46] <walrider> xfce ubuntu 16.04.1 install dibo
[19:46] <pavlushka> zaki: the 2nd method is preferred, the 3rd is repeat of the 1st.
[19:47] <zaki> RemonShai, ভিডিও প্লে করেন, যা যা পারেন একসাথে চালাই দেন :D
[19:47] <RemonShai> pavlushka, zaki ,ভুতুরে কান্ড!!! এই দেখি হচ্ছে...........
[19:47] <RemonShai> pavlushka, zaki >>>> key পাইছি sub লেখা
[19:48] <pavlushka> walrider: xubuntu has a little more bugs than the other distos, so for you , I would refer Ubuntu, if not then Ubuntu-MATE or Lubuntu, or as you like, ;p
[19:48] <pavlushka> RemonShai: paste.ubuntu.com please
[19:48] <walrider> xfce chalai obbhash bhai
[19:49] <pavlushka> walrider: then ok, go ahead, you will find me if there will be any problem, :)
[19:50] <walrider> apne asen deikhai to xfce er pise lagsi bhai :D
[19:50] <RemonShai> pavlushka, https://paste.ubuntu.com/20643182/
[19:50] <pavlushka> walrider: but I am in love with my old gnome2 fork, Ubuntu-MATE, :)
[19:51] <pavlushka> Ubuntu used to use gnome2
[19:51] <pavlushka> before unity
[19:51] <walrider> gnome hang kore
[19:51] <walrider> leptop e :|
[19:52] <Kilos> gnome2 was great
[19:52] <zaki> gnome3 is memory eater
[19:55] <pavlushka> walrider: there's no gnome2 anymore, it replaced by gnome3, MATE is the new gnome2, see?
[19:55] <walrider> ye
[19:55] <walrider> kisu game jodi linux e cholto dur
[19:55] <walrider> >:(
[19:55] <walrider> chole to chole abar fps kom
[19:55] <walrider> kopal
[19:55] <walrider> :(
[19:57] <RemonShai>  pavlushka , https://paste.ubuntu.com/20643182/
[19:59] <pavlushka> RemonShai: now run "export GPGKEY=C4DF0614"
[20:01] <RemonShai> pavlushka, terminal এ
[20:01] <walrider> ho
[20:02] <pavlushka> RemonShai: yes
[20:02] <RemonShai> then?
[20:02] <pavlushka> RemonShai: run "killall -q gpg-agent"
[20:03] <RemonShai> then?
[20:03] <pavlushka> RemonShai: run "eval $(gpg-agent --daemon)"
[20:04] <RemonShai> then?
[20:04] <zaki> pavlushka, i will try to write a tut on this in bangla.
[20:04] <pavlushka> RemonShai: now run "export GPGKEY=C4DF0614" again.
[20:04] <pavlushka> zaki: sure, that would be great, :)
[20:05] <RemonShai> pavlushka, এরপর?
[20:05] <zaki> thinking that may be we need this steps again sometimes. :p
[20:05] <pavlushka> RemonShai: now run "gpg --output revoke.asc --gen-revoke $GPGKEY"
[20:06] <pavlushka> zaki: well, you have the logs in two places, in ubuntu.com and in your machine, ;
[20:07] <Kilos> whew i cant remember doing all of that
[20:07] <zaki> yes
[20:07] <RemonShai> pavlushka, https://paste.ubuntu.com/20645286/ ঠিক আছে কিনা?
[20:08] <zaki> i don't have a revocation key. :|
[20:09] <pavlushka> RemonShai: yes, so far its okay, now run "gpg --output mykey.asc --export -a C4DF0614"
[20:10] <pavlushka> RemonShai: And please run it again "gpg --output revoke.asc --gen-revoke  C4DF0614"
[20:11] <pavlushka> walrider: install steam
[20:12] <walrider> amar steam id te 300$ er game ase
[20:12] <walrider> including csgo
[20:12] <walrider> :D
[20:12] <pavlushka> I am happy with my MAME, :p
[20:13] <RemonShai> pavlushka, https://paste.ubuntu.com/20646140/
[20:14] <pavlushka> RemonShai: put a null, :p and hit enter
[20:15] <zaki> 0
[20:18] <RemonShai> pavlushka, একটা ID পাইছি।   এখন??
[20:19] <pavlushka> RemonShai: keep it, save it, and we should move to next, ready?
[20:20] <zaki> pavlushka, i'm ready. :p
[20:20] <pavlushka> lol
[20:20] <RemonShai> pavlushka, yes.....
[20:20] <pavlushka> RemonShai: run "gpg --send-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com C4DF0614"
[20:22] <RemonShai> then?
[20:22] <pavlushka> RemonShai: now run "gpg --fingerprint"
[20:22] <RemonShai> then?
[20:24] <pavlushka> RemonShai: goto Launchpad and click on the "OpenPGP keys", over yellow pen indicator, and follow.
[20:24] <pavlushka> RemonShai: in your profile
[20:28] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight
[20:29] <pavlushka> Kilos: Night night, :)
[20:29] <RemonShai> pavlushka, finger print দিলাম,এর পর??
[20:29] <zaki> good night Kilos :)
[20:30] <pavlushka> RemonShai: check your mail inbox and tell me.
[20:31] <pavlushka> RemonShai: the mail you given in gpg key creation process.
[20:31] <RemonShai> হ্যা , আসছে।
[20:31] <zaki> pavlushka, i have to generate ssh key
[20:32] <pavlushka> RemonShai: check if it matches any part in here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto ?
[20:32] <pavlushka> zaki: yes, on it, a moment please.
[20:34] <pavlushka> zaki: click in your LP profile over the ssh keys yellow pen option.
[20:35] <pavlushka> RemonShai: try to look at the bottom of that page, found something matching?
[20:37] <RemonShai> pavlushka, Linux mail readers এইখানে??
[20:37] <zaki> i used gpa
[20:37] <zaki> RemonShai, OpenPGP keys and Launchpad
[20:38] <zaki> see this section
[20:40] <RemonShai> zaki, একবার কিন্তু দিয়েছি। আবার দেবো??
[20:41] <pavlushka> RemonShai: wait, dont you find any matching part with your received email?
[20:41] <pavlushka> RemonShai: anything looking similar?
[20:42] <RemonShai> pavlushka, my email https://paste.ubuntu.com/20648348/
[20:45] <pavlushka> RemonShai: now run in terminal "nano remonshai-gpg.txt"
[20:46] <pavlushka> RemonShai: and paste the "-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----, to -----END PGP MESSAGE-----" the whole part of the body, exactly into there, in the nano editor.
[20:48] <pavlushka> RemonShai: and press "ctrl+x" at a time.
[20:48] <zaki> pavlushka, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys how is it?
[20:48] <RemonShai> pavlushka, paste করছি । এখন??
[20:49] <pavlushka> RemonShai: and put y followed by hitting enter.
[20:49] <pavlushka> RemonShai: and press "ctrl+x" at a time.
[20:49] <pavlushka> RemonShai: and put y followed by hitting enter.
[20:50] <pavlushka> RemonShai: you have to have the text file as exactly as in the body of that mail, co extra character is allowed.
[20:51] <RemonShai> https://paste.ubuntu.com/20650742/
[20:51] <pavlushka> zaki: (y)
[20:53] <pavlushka> RemonShai: "-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----, to -----END PGP MESSAGE-----" এর -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- থেকে copy শুরু করার কথা না?
[20:54] <RemonShai> তাই তো করলাম।
[20:55] <pavlushka> RemonShai: https://paste.ubuntu.com/20650742/ কই এখানে ?
[20:57] <RemonShai> https://paste.ubuntu.com/20651436/
[20:57] <zaki> (y)
[20:58] <pavlushka> RemonShai: and press "ctrl+x" at a time and put y followed by hitting enter.
[20:59] <RemonShai> pavlushka, ohh ...হইছে।
[21:00] <RemonShai> তারপর
[21:01] <pavlushka> RemonShai: now run "gpg --decrypt remonshai-gpg.txt"
[21:03] <RemonShai> yahooooo হইছে , ভাই। :)
[21:03] <pavlushka> RemonShai: paste the output in paste-bin (paste.ubuntu.com) and post the link
[21:04] <RemonShai> https://launchpad.net/token/w9VVJh7rs8PVxL58n6KR
[21:05] <pavlushka> RemonShai: paste this link in your browser's address bar and hit enter.
[21:06] <RemonShai> pavlushka, OpenPGP keys অ্যাড সুসম্পন্ন হইছে। I already paste ...
[21:06] <pavlushka> wow
[21:06] <RemonShai> now ....., SSH keys
[21:07] <pavlushka> RemonShai: now run "Go to sleep and see you tomorrow"
[21:08] <zaki> ha ha..
[21:09] <zaki> QA, coffee please
[21:09] <QA> zaki: There isn't a pot on
[21:09] <RemonShai> pavlushka, OK .... আমি অনেক খুশি। আমার আশেপাশে আপনার বাসা হইলে , এই খুশিতে এককাপ coffee খাওয়াইতাম( নিজের হাতে বানানো)
[21:09] <zaki> lol
[21:09] <pavlushka> :)
[21:10] <RemonShai> pavlushka, zaki আমি কিন্তু কফি খোর....!!
[21:10] <pavlushka> RemonShai: we will sign the code of conduct tomorrow possibly, :)
[21:10] <pavlushka> and the ssh keys
[21:10] <zaki> QA, coffee please
[21:10] <QA> zaki: There isn't a pot on
[21:11] <zaki> QA, coffee on
[21:11]  * QA flips the salt-timer
[21:11] <pavlushka> QA coffee on
[21:11] <QA> pavlushka: There's already a pot on. If you ask nicely, maybe you can have a cup
[21:11] <RemonShai> inshallah.....
[21:11] <pavlushka> QA coffee please
[21:11] <QA> pavlushka: Sure
[21:11] <zaki> :3
[21:12] <pavlushka> :)
[21:12] <zaki> pavlushka, ঘুমাতে যাব।
[21:13] <pavlushka> zaki: sure, good night, :)
[21:13] <pavlushka> kamrul: Good night
[21:14] <pavlushka> zaki: QAর coffee খাইয়া যান, :)
[21:14] <zaki> he he..
[21:14] <zaki> অবশ্যই। :p
[21:15] <QA> Coffee's ready for zaki and pavlushka!
[21:15] <pavlushka> QA thanks :)
[21:15] <QA> no worries, pavlushka
[21:15] <zaki> pavlushka, i will install kubuntu this wk :p
[21:15] <zaki> QA, thanks
[21:15] <QA> zaki: no problemo
[21:15] <pavlushka> zaki: sure, be Kilos Guest, :p
[21:16] <zaki> :D
[21:17] <zaki> can i know about your pc hardware configuration?
[21:18] <zaki> :|
[21:18] <zaki> QA, good night
[21:18] <QA> Good night zaki sleep tight
[21:18] <zaki> :)


[03:04] <sethj> I'm trying to run this testcase http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/312/builds/63606/testcases/1310/results but after following steps 1-3 it only allows me to upgrade to 12.10 not 14.04 (I'm running 12.04 in a VM)
[03:05] <sethj> Do I need to allow pre-release updates?
[07:53] <dkessel> good morning
[08:15] <DanChapman> good morning all
[08:26] <dkessel> good morning DanChapman
[08:28] <elfy> hi dkessel DanChapman
[10:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[13:40] <cgoldberg> balloons, are you able to login to wiki.ubuntu.com ?  It times out on me waiting for my OpenID.
[13:42] <elfy> cgoldberg: works for me
[13:42] <cgoldberg> elfy, weird.  i'll try logging out of LP and clearing browser cache
[13:45] <cgoldberg> heh.. that worked.. logged in now
[13:51] <balloons> cgoldberg, :_) sometimes ff gets weird with ubuntu sso
[13:51]  * dpniel waves to the room from grouper
[13:52] <dpniel> Hey balloons
[13:52] <cgoldberg> o/ dpniel
[13:52] <balloons> hey dpniel
[13:52] <balloons> ohh nice! how's the irc client?
[13:52] <dpniel> hey cgoldberg
[13:53] <dpniel> balloons: finally got channel lists working, been a bit of a pain
[14:03] <balloons> pm's working?
[14:05] <dpniel> balloons: not atm should be soon though :-)
[15:24] <disc0tech> balloons DanChapman - revised MP now awaiting attention for fileroller...
[15:25] <balloons> disc0tech, happy friday to you
[15:25] <disc0tech> you too
[15:28] <balloons> so https://code.launchpad.net/~adam-disc0tech/ubuntu-autopilot-tests/fileroller/+merge/211072
[15:30] <balloons> ok so disc0tech in the _patch_home, you don't need the silliness with the length 25 temp dir
[15:30] <balloons> you can just make a temp folder and use it
[15:31] <balloons> otherwise this looks like a nice improvement at first glance
[15:31] <disc0tech> I wondered what all that was about
[15:31] <disc0tech> will remove :)
[15:31] <balloons> :-) it was something specific for music app needs..
[15:38] <disc0tech> pushed, back to rbox...
[17:57] <balloons> disc0tech, I approved.. have you ever thought about writing tests for the core apps?
[17:57] <disc0tech> Do you have a list of apps considered "core"?
[17:58] <balloons> disc0tech, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps/
[17:58] <disc0tech> ah, for the touch?
[17:58] <balloons> disc0tech, basically it's the community "core apps", meaning apps for the ubuntu phablet images
[17:58] <balloons> yep
[17:59] <disc0tech> I will probably wait until I have a supported device before I do anything on touch.
[18:00] <balloons> most folks just hack and write them on our desktops, so don't feel like you need a device
[18:00] <balloons> they run fine on the desktop
[18:00] <disc0tech> Sure, might take a look once I've finished with rbox.
[18:01] <balloons> just thought I'd ping, as I think you might like them. Since the upstream is other community folks within ubuntu, and the apps are in qml, the tests are much easier to write
[18:01] <disc0tech> I'm quite enjoying myself adding various mock items into the rbox tests at the moment :)
[18:01] <balloons> yes, I'm curious to see the end result
[18:01] <disc0tech> got it
[18:33] <senan> balloons, danchapman, hi
[18:33] <balloons> aloha
[18:34] <senan> balloons, work is hectic now a days..working more than 14hr per day :(
[18:35] <balloons> oO senan, hang in there :-)
[18:36] <senan> :(
[18:36] <senan> balloons, major release next month..
[18:39] <DanChapman> hey senan
[18:52] <dkessel> hmm i have to remote 'ubuntu-sdk' in order to upgrade my packages :/
[19:03] <dkessel> nvm p opey helped me
[19:23] <balloons> elopio, did you find any issues with the toolkit and qt 5.2?
[19:23] <balloons> err well, the autopilot helper for the toolkit :)
[19:25] <elopio> balloons: one with the header and notes app, that's the one where I added a skip
[19:25] <elopio> and a weird autopilot or qml misunderstanding that makes an object change before it's clicked.
[19:26] <elopio> balloons: have you found something?
[19:28] <balloons> I'm just suddenly having trouble switching tabs
[19:29] <elopio> balloons: on what app?
[19:32] <balloons> elopio, calendar atm. I was thinking of running the testsuite to see if it still happens
[19:33] <balloons> elopio,  I get dbus timeouts inside autopilot, or straight up crashes
[19:34] <elopio> balloons: I ran all the calendar tests yesterday, or the day before, as there were some failures.
[19:34] <elopio> but they started passing on the jenkins job and on my device.
[19:35] <elopio> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1291392
[19:36] <elopio> I'm flashing right now. I'll be able to retry in ~20 minutes if the elders of the internet are good with me.
[19:40] <balloons> elopio, kk.. I'll keep digging
[19:40] <balloons> elopio, yes I'm working on an mp, and i see only one failure now
[19:40] <balloons> well before the tab switching issue
[19:40] <elfy> hi balloons
[19:44] <balloons> hi elfy
[20:00] <balloons> aloha letozaf
[20:01] <letozaf> balloons, hi
[20:02] <letozaf> balloons, I was reading the notes on mzanetti merge proposal for reminders app
[20:03] <balloons> ah yes he pushed something to help
[20:03] <balloons> https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/reminders-app/qmlfile-param/+merge/210891
[20:11] <balloons> elopio, so things fail on the desktop for calendar, but the toolkit tests pass fine, so i'll dig into calendar as the potential source
[20:45] <balloons> elopio, to see what i mean have a look: http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-trusty/1759/?
[20:46] <balloons> this is before; http://<IP_ADDRESS>:8080/job/generic-mediumtests-trusty/1747/?. just the one failure at the end of the new event test
[20:46] <balloons> note, no code changes took place
[20:46] <knome> hey balloons
[20:46] <balloons> hey knome
[20:46] <balloons> how is your friday?
[20:46] <knome> busy ;)
[20:47] <knome> were shopping with wife, then had a two-hour sprint to get the xubuntu slideshow in shape
[20:47] <balloons> looking nice now I hope?
[20:47] <knome> better, will get it finished by tuesday, so will leave time nicely for a new upload before thursday :)
[20:47] <knome> and what's up in the QA world?
[20:49] <balloons> well, after vUDS I'm trying to ready plans for image testing in a few weeks, and doing a big drive to document things on d.u.c for app devs
[20:49] <knome> mhm
[20:49] <elfy> pffft - I've been fighting that battle since November
[20:50] <knome> i completely missed vUDS :P
[20:50] <balloons> yea, it came a little late
[20:50] <elfy> so did I
[20:51] <balloons> sessions are all recorded and all that
[20:51] <balloons> but yea, trying to spread some quality into app devs
[20:51] <knome> as if there was anything that was *really* interesting to xubuntu
[20:52] <knome> without taking anything off from the session, most of the things are unrelated and make no difference anyway
[20:52] <knome> those which do, well, the news will land to us sooner or later
[20:52] <knome> and i'd expect more than just vUDS sessions for bigger things :)
[20:52] <elfy> :)
[20:52] <balloons> heh.. it was an interesting vUDS I suppose
[20:53] <balloons> the mid-cycle meetups are interesting, but i;'m not sure how i feel about them
[20:53] <knome> mid-cycle?
[20:53] <knome> come on, we're past feature freeze, and it's soon beta 2 time
[20:53] <balloons> there was a session on vUDS itself. I kind of liked the idea rick mentioned about once a month, 1 day, focused sessions
[20:54] <balloons> knome, right, it's really akward
[20:54] <balloons> however, that idea didn't float, so :-)
[20:54] <knome> it would be a better time to meet with a team internally
[20:54] <knome> but i guess that's a lot what vUDS is for canonical people...
[20:54] <balloons> well, it's nice because it gets communication out to everyone, and anyone interested can follow along
[20:55] <balloons> plus, we don't plan full cycles of work much anymore
[20:56] <balloons> anyways, it was also dicussed about vUDS being only for devs, and others are a bit sidelined
[20:56] <knome> hmph, but what's the point to communicate out when it's really late already?
[20:56] <balloons> they suggested changes to open it up next time
[20:56] <knome> the "real" UDS's were much to devs as well
[20:56] <balloons> knome, well there's a lot of stuff going on
[20:56] <knome> i'd expect the major things to have been planned by now
[20:56] <balloons> meaning, if i only talked to you once every 6 months things can change
[20:56] <knome> and not need any specific communicating
[20:57] <balloons> well most of it was looking forward
[20:57] <knome> except to people who are interested, who can follow appropriate mailing lists etc.
[20:57] <balloons> we won't meet after trusty
[20:57] <knome> that's weird.
[20:58] <balloons> I'm stating fact, not opinion
[20:58] <knome> fact on what? :)
[20:58] <balloons> they are 3 month cycles, with no relation to release
[20:58] <balloons> vUDS
[20:58] <knome> yeah...
[20:59] <knome> and that's weird to me
[20:59] <balloons> yep..
[20:59] <knome> they should have relation to release
[20:59] <balloons> me too my friend
[20:59] <knome> UDS had a strong relation
[20:59] <knome> now they replace it with vUDS
[20:59] <knome> and make it something completely different?
[20:59] <balloons> I don't think that was the intent
[20:59] <balloons> the intent was to meet more often, it's simply shifted timing for whatever reason
[20:59] <knome> i try to have faith and believe that's the case, but if it is, and things have gone wrong, why not fix it?
[21:00] <balloons> that was part of the session methinks
[21:00] <knome> yeah, hard to comment on what was discussed there
[21:00] <balloons> i missed part of it too, so . . .
[21:01] <balloons> we'll see what happens next
[21:01] <knome> but the reality is that as long as vUDS is useful for canonical employees, it's going to do just fine
[21:01] <balloons> I wouldn't say it's useful for canonical employees
[21:01] <balloons> speaking personally
[21:01] <knome> well, you're not a dev
[21:01] <knome> maybe i should say "canonical developers"
[21:01] <balloons> if the goal was to talk amongst a dev group, there should be simpler ways
[21:02] <knome> there is... IRC channels
[21:02] <knome> you can have daily discussions
[21:02] <knome> there are mailing lists
[21:02] <balloons> right-o.. so if that was the only thing in contention, vUDS wouldn't exist
[21:02] <knome> note, i try not to sound bitter, or against anybody here
[21:02] <balloons> not at all, no worries :)
[21:03] <knome> but sometimes it has felt like (v)UDS is a public forum, where "everybody can participate", but actual decisions are still made by the core people
[21:04] <knome> and i think the virtual event actually makes people more disconnected than the live UDS
[21:04] <knome> sure, not all could come to attend the live event, but once they were there, it was easier to get involved
[21:04] <knome> now the thresold to jump into a hangout is bigger
[21:04] <balloons> yes, people feel anxious about joining hangouts, who might otherwise have joined a circle discussion
[21:05] <knome> and it's harder to get questions answered if you're not on the hangout
[21:05] <balloons> they shouldn't persay, but it's there
[21:05] <elfy> s/harder/almost impossible
[21:05] <elfy> just the same as in the old days
[21:05] <balloons> I mean you can go in audio only, etc.. IRC works for questions I think
[21:05] <balloons> but discussion doesn't work IRC -- hangout
[21:05] <knome> balloons, yes, but the hangout leader(s) should read those messages...
[21:06] <elfy> balloons: only if someone bothers to read the IRC stuff instead of watching a video
[21:06] <knome> which didn't happen in all vUDS sessions i was in
[21:06] <elfy> nor any I've been in
[21:06] <balloons> in the sessions I'm in, questions are treated well.. but, as I said, I think the bigger issue isn't a question, it's trying to discuss
[21:06] <elfy> or if they do - then it's too late
[21:06] <knome> yeah, it's so cool to watch pleia2's cat walk on the screen that people forget that somebody not on their audio/video might have a question ;)
[21:06] <balloons> course, if I'm in them, I watch irc, so
[21:07] <knome> balloons, i'm not saying that's a problem of vUDS, it's a problem of session leaders
[21:07] <elfy> you might ;)
[21:07] <knome> well... if people had the motivation, somebody on the session could act as an "announcer"
[21:07] <knome> that meaning, saying this others wrote on the channel
[21:07] <knome> of course it's slower than just audio-audio
[21:08] <knome> but hey, you took the event online!
[21:08] <knome> you knew that was coming.
[21:14] <balloons> knome, yea I tried to repeat questions before answering but surely didn't
[21:15] <balloons> it's hard without a dedicated notetaker and announcer as you said
[21:15] <balloons> in general my worry is disccusion doesn't happen unless you are in the fishbowl, aka hangout
[21:15] <balloons> so the hangouts feel like echo chambers
[21:15] <knome> exactly my thoughts
[21:16] <balloons> even shy folks @ UDS would discuss things and contribute.. even when i was alone in the fishbowl
[21:16] <balloons> last UDS I had a few sessions I did alone, with only folks on IRC and me on video
[21:16] <balloons> it's a horrible experience
[21:16] <knome> and the reason why i have thought that it is just a public place to "participate", but actually the core people make the decisions anyway
[21:16] <balloons> this time none of that, but ...
[21:17] <balloons> well, the point is these decisions aren;t meant to be in a vaccum.. and I suppose you are right mailing list threads end up being better for discussing than live if folks won't join in
[21:18] <knome> yeah, or even if people join...
[21:19] <knome> i mean it's good that people have planned and prepared the sessions
[21:19] <knome> but many times it feels like the decisions are already made
[21:19] <knome> if you know what i mean
[21:19] <knome> so the vUDS session just works as a "community stamp", where being quiet means approving...
[21:19] <knome> which is obviously wrong
[21:20] <balloons> yea... any ideas for a solution?
[21:20] <knome> not really
[21:20] <knome> the fact is,
[21:20] <knome> some of the decisions aren't for the community to make
[21:20] <knome> and maybe that should be communicated more clearly
[21:21] <knome> that is, per decision
[21:21] <balloons> not every decision is open for full debate. As you know a meritocracy isn't mob rule so to speak
[21:22] <knome> i'm also talking about canonical vs. community decisions
[21:22] <knome> some things will land, regardless of merit in the community
[21:22] <balloons> I mean i make no distinction on the person or group making the decision. if they are taking care of the system/package/platform within the echosystem, they are the ones driving decisions
[21:22] <knome> absolutely.
[21:22]  * balloons laughs that knome rules with an iron fist
[21:23] <knome> well i do... ;>
[21:23] <knome> i guess the other question is, "do we really need to take this discussion public"
[21:23] <dkessel> good evening. good discussion!
[21:24] <knome> rather than set up a "fake" public discussion prone to people whining about the decision without merit, why not prepare it well in advance, and plan *good* communication/news about it
[21:24] <knome> that's what has made many people in the community angry during the last years
[21:24] <knome> even (old) "core" members
[21:24] <knome> bad communication from canonical
[21:24] <knome> not being clear what is debatable and what is not
[21:24] <knome> landing stuff too late
[21:25] <knome> not always considering effects to other teams
[21:26] <balloons> so reading it on omg might be perferable?
[21:26] <knome> even a vUDS that was scheduled in a better place would help a lot with that
[21:26] <knome> no,
[21:26] <dkessel> I have one question. before the vUDSes, were there better notes from the sessions? Because that too is a problem I believe. I have to watch an entire hour of video to find out what was discussed.
[21:26] <knome> reading it come from canonical well in advance, with argumentation, is better than it landing in the archive
[21:27] <knome> dkessel, depends much on the session
[21:27] <balloons> mm, yea definitely depends
[21:27] <knome> if a session had a "secretary", they were good
[21:27] <knome> if not, it was just as good as an internal meeting
[21:27] <balloons> well gents I have got to run, dinner date with wife, truly I'd rather stay and chat
[21:28] <dkessel> enjoy, balloons
[21:28] <knome> balloons, have fun, tell her you love her, and come back on monday to discuss this with us :)
[21:28] <balloons> knome, I appreciate the feedback
[21:28] <balloons> hehe.. if we can arrive at a proposal for change, we can present and discuss it
[21:29] <balloons> i know folks agree with the sentitment.. it's fixing it. and indeed the desire for vUDS is to be open, communicative, etc, etc
[21:29] <balloons> ubuntu is unique in that regard, and I think folks hold us to a higher standard for it
[21:29] <balloons> which isn't a bad thing at all
[21:29] <balloons> hey dkessel
[21:29] <knome> it's hard to say what the community at large needs from a vUDS... it's hard to imagine how it could be useful for the xubuntu team
[21:29] <knome> because what *we* need more is more daily communication with people, and getting to know them
[21:30] <dkessel> yes balloons ?
[21:30] <knome> real-life UDS helped with getting to know people
[21:30] <knome> there is no hallway chats or beer-evenings in vUDS
[21:30] <balloons> dkessel, ohh, you said enjoy.. I thought you said hello
[21:30] <balloons> ty I will enjoy
[21:30] <dkessel> 😊
[21:30] <balloons> yep, all good points knome.. we'll pick up again next time we're both around
[21:30] <knome> yep
[21:31] <balloons> you know where to find me, hah!
[21:31] <knome> heh, i do
[21:31] <knome> balloons, for reading, when you have time, before i forget and/or if it's a long time we speak again: http://open.knome.fi/2013/03/04/is-uds-no-longer-uds/
[21:31] <knome> balloons, year old, and before the first vUDS, but most of that are still valid points
[21:47] <dkessel> knome, wow... long post ;) but I have to say I agree with many things. you also wrote about how canonical said they would review the new format after two vUDS events. so let's see if they will.
[21:48] <knome> two events went a long time ago... nothing changed
[21:48] <knome> dkessel, yeah, a long post, but also a long preparation, i think i had that boiling for almost a week, and consulted *many* people
[21:48] <knome> to try to be objective, and to the point, and not say untrue things
[21:49] <dkessel> oh right two events not cycles my mistake
[21:50] <knome> from what i've seen, the surveys jono did were as useful as nothing
[21:51] <knome> http://open.knome.fi/2011/11/09/canonical-community-collaboration/
[21:51] <knome> = almost longer comments than post itself, and many ;)
[21:52] <elopio> balloons: I can't see the icons of the calendar toolbar, but I can't get it to crash as it's doing there
[21:58] <elopio> ah, didier said we should dist-upgrade the image 237.


[13:39] <cmaloney> krondor: Yeah, I've pretty much stopped with Slashdot after the introduction of SlashBI
[13:39] <cmaloney> which to this day does not elicit "Business Intelligence" to me no matter how many times I see it.
[13:43] <brousch> I only read /. via RSS
[13:59] <cmaloney> I get my news from Ars Technica and Reddit now.
[14:00] <cmaloney> and G+ for that matter.
[14:03] <brousch> Meh. It's a small part of my feeds
[14:56] <krondor> yeah it's been decreasing for awhile for me... but now I think they're doing their best to kill it.
[14:57] <krondor> well and I mean the audience has shifted to a point that even the comments now: http://bit.ly/1e9m0Mf
[16:42] <mathomastech> Perhaps I am alone in this. But the slashdot beta is vastly easlier to read and easier to navigate than the old version. That being said, I spend very little time on /., except when something links back to it.
[17:05] <cmaloney> http://onethingwell.org/post/75893196347/bookie
[17:05] <cmaloney> YAY!!!!
[17:05] <cmaloney> rick_h_: ^^
[17:07] <krondor> mathomastech:  maybe, I wasn't as off put by the theming changes as I was by functionality breakage and bad content syndicated from other sites
[17:10] <trevlar> cmaloney: nice!!
[18:10] <brousch> Bookie is in my feedz!
[18:11] <brousch> Way to go cmaloney
[18:23] <brousch> Finally! One language to rule them all http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/02/julia/
[18:24] <cmaloney> brousch: :)
[18:24] <cmaloney> Thank you.


[13:13] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:47] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek Day 1  starting in 13 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[17:00] <Walther> Hello folks! It seems an update has broken my compiz - I can't switch between virtual desktops at all.
[17:05] <jbicha> Walther: try System Settings>Appearance>Behavior to reactive workspaces
[17:06] <Walther> jbicha: weird, was it *disabled by default* in some update?
[17:07] <jbicha> yes, bug 868423
[17:07] <Walther> huh? O_o
[17:08] <Walther> ...quite a major feature to be removed, in my opinion
[17:12] <Walther> So, did I get it right - from 13.04 onwards, no workspaces by default?
[17:13] <jbicha> yes but there's an easy button to add it back for those that use that feature (most people don't)
[17:13] <Walther> Wow. I kinda can understand the reasoning behind it, but I'm also pretty sure this will invoke *big* flamewars among the less tolerant
[17:14] <Walther> multiple workspaces/desktops has always been a major selling point in linuxes for me, compared to windows. Of course, nto the biggest nor the only one
[17:15] <jbicha> it's that the biggest thing people are flaming us for, I'm happy ;)
[17:15] <Walther> hehe
[17:16] <Walther> But yeah- I can't survive with only 4 desktops either - I always add 3x3 from ccsm :P
[17:16] <Walther> But yeah, I don't like alt-tabbing
[17:41] <MikeRL> Hmm.... I've reported a bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1102660 but the problem is I'm not sure if the bug relates to the kernel or Xorg.
[17:41] <MikeRL> Is there anyone that can make sense of the log filess?
[17:41] <MikeRL> Sorry for crap spelling.
[17:42] <MikeRL> It seems there is no bug supervisor for Xorg, so I figured I should ask to see if I can speed it along by categorizing the bug properly.
[17:42] <MikeRL> On raring, that is.
[17:45] <MikeRL> I know it's in development, yes, but I've used development Ubuntu versions before (I have two computers, so might as well use one to hunt bugs). But I haven't had the misfortune of having it tank on me without an error before, so I may need some guidance directing the bug to the right people.
[19:54] <AlanBell> hi all
[19:54] <AlanBell> is today a good day to upgrade to raring?
[19:57] <jbicha> AlanBell: probably, I upgraded a computer this weekend and it was fine, the -proposed staging really helps installability
[19:58]  * AlanBell hits the button
[19:59] <AlanBell> huh, it didn't disable PPAs and rolled back
[20:01] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone here able to play mp3 streams in Rhythmbox? I can only get ogg to work...  works in VLC though so I know the stream is good.
[20:01] <FunnyLookinHat> This is what I'm trying: http://audio.misproductions.com:9030
[20:04] <jbicha> AlanBell: weird, I used sudo do-release-upgrade -d but update-manager should work too
[20:07] <AlanBell> I removed them from sources.list.d and it is going fine now
[20:08] <AlanBell> 1622MB to download, 22 minutes on your connection \o/
[20:22] <IdleOne> AlanBell: i got you beat
[20:22] <IdleOne> 1,014 M. This download will take
[20:22] <IdleOne> about 14 minutes with your connection
[20:27] <AlanBell> I should have plugged into a wired connection :)
[21:15]  * AlanBell is on raring
[21:17] <jrgifford> AlanBell: welcome to the club!
[21:18] <AlanBell> terminal is a bit see through, but other than that it all works as before
[21:18] <AlanBell> some corruption in the gnome-shell overview mode
[21:19] <jrgifford> yeah, i kind of like the new terminal option.
[21:23] <IdleOne> time for a reboot.
[21:27] <IdleOne> WOW! The login screen is beautiful on kubuntu
[21:41] <BluesKaj> it's cool looking and about time too , IdleOne :)
[21:47] <yofel_> it's almost beautiful, we need to do something about the background rendering. It's different from ksplashx and looks a bit choppy (missing antialiasing or so)
[22:29] <TLoT> when's feature freeze?
[22:30] <yofel_> !schedule
[22:31] <yofel_> March 7th
[22:37] <TLoT> yofel: when's the final date for debian syncs to universe for raring to be processed?  feature freeze?
[22:38] <yofel> DebianImportFreeze is the end of the automatic syncs, after that you can request syncs yourself which will be processed until feature freeze
[22:39] <yofel> (or till final freeze if you can get a freeze exception)
[22:40] <TLoT> its a manual sync (from Experimental) hence my just needing the final date.
[22:40] <TLoT> thanks :)
[22:40]  * TLoT is a tad annoyed at Debian that sid's partially frozen :P
[22:41] <yofel> well, even they need a feature freeze sometimes ^^
[22:42] <TLoT> speaking of debian (and I know its partly offtopic), did they release yet?
[22:43] <yofel> not that I know of
[22:48] <lunarjar> Hi, I'm planning to move to 13.04. Can I use the daily and the just will have to update through repos, or will I have to rsync a new daily everytime I want to update?
[22:49] <yofel> you can just update using the repository after installing 13.04
[22:49] <lunarjar> oh cool
[22:49] <lunarjar> I heard 13.04 is quite stable right? For daily use?
[22:49] <yofel> I can only talk about Kubuntu, which is usable
[23:18] <FernandoMiguel> (29-01-2013 23:17:06) QuLogic: does ubuntu 13 use gtk3 yet?
[23:18] <FernandoMiguel> anyone knows?
[23:24] <TheLordOfTime> FernandoMiguel, as an aside, you may want to refrain from cross-posting across channels ;)
[23:24] <FernandoMiguel> TheLordOfTime: I'm aware of it.. and I do avoid it
[23:24] <FernandoMiguel> I don't like it either
[23:25] <TheLordOfTime> FernandoMiguel, when you ask a question you may have to wait 10, 20, sometimes 40 minutes to get an answer.  usually answers are fast
[23:25] <TheLordOfTime> unless nobody knows
[23:25] <TheLordOfTime> in which case you wait
[23:25] <FernandoMiguel> and waiting I am
[23:58] <FernandoMiguel> which is the package for gconftool-2 ?


[05:52] <mardy> amurray: hi! Is there a performance hit if an AppArmor profile contains the same rules multiple times? Or is apparmor_parser (or the kernel) smart enough to keep a single copy of them?
[05:54] <amurray> mardy: I am pretty sure the parser de-dupes rules before loading them into the kernel
[05:57] <mardy> amurray: thanks, then I'll definitely take your suggestion in https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12127
[05:57] <mup> PR #12127: i/b/system_packages_doc: restore access to Libreoffice documentation <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12127>
[05:57] <amurray> mardy: you could test this by loading a profile into the kernel, dumping it out - /sys/kernel/security/apparmor/policy/profiles/<profile_name>.N/raw_data - then editing the profile to contain a heap of duplicate entries, re-load it, dump it out again and check the difference
[05:57] <amurray> heh also that is such a small difference surely it is not worth the optimisation?
[05:59] <mardy> amurray: yep! I've updated the branch now
[08:39] <mup> PR snapd#12131 opened: client: prepare InstallSystemOptions for real use <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12131>
[09:05] <kkkssf> Hi
[09:08] <kkkssf> Is it possible to deny access to /home/<USER>/Desktop via snap connections?
[09:10] <ravage> ogra is the expert here. but i think if a snap gets the "home" permission there are no further limitations
[09:10] <mardy> kkkssf: hi! By default, /home/<USER>/Desktop is not a directory that snaps can access. If you have a snap which uses this directory and you would like to revoke this access, please run `snap connections <snap-name>` and see if it has the "home" interface connected
[09:14] <ogra> well ... that really depends on the snap ... if you have the xdg-desktop portal packages installed, you have indirect access to everything ...
[09:14] <ogra> there disabling the home interface would not help
[09:15] <ogra> so to really lock down the system you'd have to remove the xdg-portal packages alongside with disconnecting the home interface ... but since portals also handle other things beyond file access you might lose functionality
[09:37] <kkkssf> That sounds bad. the snap is firefox beta and i need xdg-desktop-portal for keepassxc browser integration. Is there anything i can do to keep  keepassxc browser integration  deny access to $HOME?
[09:39] <ogra> i fear you cant, beyond making the directory completely inaccessible for the user on a fileystem level (xdg portals operate as the user, so what the user can not access is blocked)
[09:40] <ogra> i guess long term the portals should be packaged more fine grained, so you could remove the file portal but keep the others or so ...
[09:41] <ogra> i'd file a whishlist bug against xdg-desktop-portal
[10:15] <mup> PR snapd#12095 closed: snap/quota,wrappers: allow using 0 values for the journal rate limit <quota> <Created by Meulengracht> <Merged by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12095>
[11:30] <mup> PR snapd#12132 opened: wrappers: use a revision-agnostic paths when rewriting a desktop file <Created by oSoMoN> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12132>
[13:02] <amurray> ogra: note portals require user interaction - so as long as a user isn't choosing to say have firefox access a file in ~/Desktop then it doesn't have that permission
[13:03] <amurray> ie portals spawn a file chooser dialog and then access to only the chosen file is then provided
[13:21] <mup> PR snapd#11157 closed: overlord: extended ssl support, synthetic update-ca-certification functionality <Precious but later :heart:> <Created by Meulengracht> <Closed by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11157>
[13:40] <ogra> amurray, that doesnt help an admin that wants to prevent users from stornig stuff in ~/Desktop
[13:41] <mup> PR snapd#12131 closed: client: prepare InstallSystemOptions for real use <Created by mvo5> <Closed by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12131>
[13:41] <ogra> portals sadly cmpetely circumvent the use of interfaces, without the ability of fine grained control
[13:41] <ogra> (not that interfaces have more fine grained control either indeed 🙂 )
[16:41] <mup> PR snapd#12133 opened: client: prepare InstallSystemOptions for real use <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12133>
[20:47] <mup> PR snapd#12134 opened: interfaces/u2f-devices: Add Flipper Zero U2F support (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1989376) <Created by ChrisMacNaughton> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12134>


[05:24] <jam> morning all
[09:02] <Chipaca> morning all!
[10:56] <facubatista> Muy buenos días a todos!
[10:57] <Chipaca> facubatista: heyy
[11:01] <facubatista> Chipaca, meeting?
[11:03] <Chipaca> facubatista: omw
[12:29] <facubatista> Chipaca, so, there's no "easy" or "integrated" way to make argparse to support a longer help for the command alone
[12:29] <Chipaca> facubatista: i'm listening
[12:31] <facubatista> I mean, if I do `charmcraft version -h`, the machinery of argparse triggers in, not allowing us to have contron on the output (unless we keep digging with hacking its internals), and it doesn't have a field to show a "long description"
[12:32] <facubatista> Chipaca, so, we could keep digging, but maybe is to first understand which are all the changes we'll need to do regarding help messages... we may totally craft a HelpFormatter if it's very different than the default
[12:32] <facubatista> Chipaca, IOW, what I propose is to forget about charmcraft#3 until we have news and directions from UX
[12:32] <mup> Issue charmcraft#3: Support for long help texts from each command <Created by facundobatista> <https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/issues/3>
[12:33] <Chipaca> facubatista: we already have that direction
[12:33] <Chipaca> facubatista: but i'm ok with slipping charmcraft#3 due to it turning out to be more work
[12:33] <mup> Issue charmcraft#3: Support for long help texts from each command <Created by facundobatista> <https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/issues/3>
[12:36] <facubatista> Chipaca, ok
[12:46] <Chipaca> i'm going to go figure out lunch before it's tea time
[13:11] <facubatista> Chipaca, please remember this: https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/57
[13:11] <mup> PR charmcraft#57: Make pip list current packages before proceeding with the install <Created by facundobatista> <https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/57>
[13:11] <facubatista> (note I re-did the PR, now from the forked project)
[13:11] <mup> PR operator#338 opened: ops/storage.py: Move SQLiteBackend <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/338>
[13:19] <Chipaca> facubatista: how could i forget
[13:19] <Chipaca> (answer: easily)
[13:19] <facubatista> dramatically
[13:19] <Chipaca> libnghttp2.so.14
[13:19] <Chipaca> sounds a bit rude
[13:20] <Chipaca> poor http2
[13:21]  * Chipaca close to having a working snap
[13:29] <Chipaca> woooo
[13:30] <Chipaca> 9.1MB for a working snap including git and enough helpers to pull https
[13:34] <Chipaca> facubatista, jam, standup?
[13:35] <facubatista> oops
[14:14] <jam> Chipaca, I'll need your +1 on #338 at some point :)
[14:14] <mup> PR #338: ops/storage.py: Move SQLiteBackend <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/338>
[14:22] <Chipaca> jam: you've got it
[14:23] <Chipaca> jam: facundo'll need your +1 on charmcraft#57 also :-D
[14:23] <mup> PR charmcraft#57: Make pip list current packages before proceeding with the install <Created by facundobatista> <https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/57>
[14:32] <Chipaca> facubatista: meeting?
[14:46] <Chipaca> facubatista: booooooo you missed the meeting boo
[14:46]  * Chipaca boos
[14:49] <facubatista> Chipaca, ugh
[14:49] <facubatista> there's something wrong with my notifications today
[14:49]  * Chipaca boos some more
[14:50] <facubatista> damn, I super wanted to be in that meeting
[14:52] <facubatista> ok, pulseaudio is sending the irc audio notification through the headset
[14:52] <facubatista> even if there's no headset connected :/
[14:53] <facubatista> ufa
[14:54]  * facubatista will need to reboot, probably, to fix this
[15:01] <facubatista> Chipaca, any particular outcome/progress?
[15:18] <Chipaca> facubatista: the good news is, there is another one next week
[15:19] <Chipaca> facubatista: also, we should probably consider moving to click
[15:25] <facubatista> Chipaca, ack
[15:25] <Chipaca> facubatista: big asterisks on the click thing though :)
[16:56] <Chipaca> facubatista: charmcraft#58 might be of interest to you
[16:56] <mup> PR charmcraft#58: changes to snapcraft.yaml, and version, for 0.2.0 <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/58>
[16:56] <facubatista> might
[16:56] <Chipaca> facubatista: my devious plan is to land charmcraft#57 to master before landing that
[16:56] <mup> PR charmcraft#57: Make pip list current packages before proceeding with the install <Created by facundobatista> <https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/pull/57>
[16:57] <facubatista> Chipaca, I'm *so* glad you're doing the snapcraft part :p
[16:58] <Chipaca> facubatista: I am too. At this point I have Opinions about it.
[16:58] <facubatista> Chipaca, I wonder how much of that hardcoded listings will change in time; it will be a maintenance problem?
[16:59] <Chipaca> facubatista: worst case, we delete the whole stanza and the snap grows 5×
[16:59] <Chipaca> not a terrible end
[16:59] <facubatista> ack
[16:59] <Chipaca> facubatista: for now, it works like this
[16:59] <Chipaca> facubatista: at some point maybe there'll be a better way
[16:59] <Chipaca> (like being able to call out to a git snap)
[16:59] <facubatista> yeap
[17:00] <Chipaca> almost all the really ugly bits is git
[17:00] <Chipaca> although picking and choosing python libs is also a pain, it's not as random
[17:01] <Chipaca> facubatista: for reference, I've done this with the icdiff snap, and it hasn't broken nor needed updated since I created it a couple of years ago
[17:01] <Chipaca> needed updating*
[17:01] <facubatista> Chipaca, nice
[17:01] <Chipaca> for 0.3, tab completion
[17:02] <Chipaca> icdiff, since 2018-09 (so just under 2 years)
[17:03] <Chipaca> filed charmcraft#59 for that
[17:03] <mup> Issue charmcraft#59: tab completion in-snap <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/issues/59>
[17:35] <mup> PR operator#338 closed: ops/storage.py: Move SQLiteBackend <Created by jameinel> <Merged by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/338>
[17:39] <jam> Chipaca, facubatista operator#323 updated
[17:39] <mup> PR #323: 317 state get <Created by jameinel> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/323>
[17:51] <facubatista> Chipaca, I don't like pointing the user to the logfile when CommandError
[17:53] <facubatista> Chipaca, or at least we need another exception that is "ended in error", but more gentle
[17:53] <facubatista> for example, it doesn't make sense to point the user to the logs when:    raise CommandError("the requirements file was not found: {!r}".format(str(fpath)))
[17:54] <facubatista> but it does make sense when:           raise CommandError("problems installing dependencies")
[17:54] <facubatista> maybe we need a CommandCrashed (pointing user to the logs) and CommandError (more gentle)
[17:55] <facubatista> what do you think?
[18:46] <Chipaca> facubatista: sounds like it, yes
[18:47] <Chipaca> facubatista: the difference being, i think, that in one case we can easily summarise the problem in Human, whereas in the other we can't
[19:04] <facubatista> Chipaca, the difference for me, which I'm not finding how to express in the name of the error class, is "here's a problem that I can explain you and give you some hint about how to solve", and "we found a problem because something exploded beneath us and we don't know really what or why"
[19:04] <Chipaca> facubatista: KnownError(CommandError)?
[19:05] <facubatista> the only case so far for the second case is when installing dependencies
[19:05] <facubatista> even a error from the store is a "controlled" one
[19:06] <facubatista> mmm... IF the store is really telling us an error in a field, it's a controlled one
[19:06] <facubatista> if the store explodes in unpredictable ways, is also the second case
[19:06] <facubatista> CommandControlledError vs CommandUnknownError
[19:07] <facubatista> ThisIsSomewhatExpectedError vs WhatWillWeDoWithAllThisBloodError
[19:58] <facubatista> Chipaca, so, release?
[20:45] <Chipaca> facubatista: looks like it
[21:30] <Chipaca> facubatista: think you can write up a release blurb?
[21:30] <Chipaca> facubatista: for https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/releases/edit/untagged-c8c90d68c4d08c8e2547
[21:35] <Chipaca> facubatista: edit https://github.com/canonical/charmcraft/releases/tag/0.2.0 when you can (or i can do it tomorrow)
[21:38] <facubatista> Chipaca, I can do it, but tomorrow
[21:40] <Chipaca> 0.2.0 in github, pip, and snap
[21:40] <Chipaca> facubatista: ⁵
[21:43] <Chipaca> EOD here
[21:45]  * facubatista eods too