[00:17] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] New Ubuntu Patch Pilot Scheme - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/11/20/new-ubuntu-patch-pilot-scheme/
[08:37] <finelytuned> o/
[08:49] <popey> morning slackers
[08:49] <finelytuned> morning popey
[09:00] <danfish> I would say lo but I'm too slack :)
[09:06]  * AlanBell just woke up
[09:06] <MartijnVdS> nothing wrong with that, it's the weekend :)
[09:06] <winniesun> hello everyone
[09:07] <AlanBell> hi winniesun
[09:08] <winniesun> AlanBell:I am from China
[09:08] <AlanBell> great
[09:08] <AlanBell> there is a china loco channel too
[09:08] <AlanBell> !cn
[09:08] <winniesun> well,just practise my English,thanks
[09:09] <AlanBell> that is fine, you are doing great so far, much better than my chinese
[09:09] <finelytuned> AlanBell: second that
[09:10] <winniesun> you are so kind
[09:15] <danfish> I thought openvz was effectively dead, but someone's ported it to a relatively new kernel
[09:16] <danfish> http://forum.proxmox.com/threads/4974-KVM-0.13.0-for-Proxmox-VE-1.6-(for-2.6.32-and-2.6.35)-pvetest-repository
[09:16]  * danfish likes openvz
[09:22]  * MartijnVdS hates it
[09:23]  * popey is ambivalent
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> Sysadmins at work are in love with it, but all I get (as a user of their servers) are slowdowns and "lag peaks" (a few seconds where nothing happens, then everything continues as normal)
[09:25] <danfish> MartijnVdS: what are you running on them?
[09:25] <danfish> blender?
[09:25] <MartijnVdS> danfish: gvim (X11 forwarding), NFS homedirs, and an unused apache
[09:30] <danfish> not an awful lot then. If you (or rather the sysadmins) mess around with some of the backend settings too much, like tinkering with the backend counters, you can really stuff things up :(
[09:32] <danfish> easier to put it in the hands of something like proxmox
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> or just use a supported virtualization tech
[09:36] <danfish> by supported I assume you mean kernel native, like kvm?
[09:36] <kazade> morning all
[09:38] <MartijnVdS> yes
[09:38] <MartijnVdS> something that people still work on
[09:40] <danfish> the proxmox team still do
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> I hope it won't turn into our previous "adventure"
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> (still running some pre-war version of FreeBSD on some boxes)
[09:50] <danfish> heh
[09:50] <looba> hi
[09:52] <kazade> popey, just uploaded screenshots of my level editor: http://kazade.imgur.com/platformation :D
[10:15] <czajkowski> c
[11:35] <jacobw> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1326604/Living-slow-lane-Hundreds-orphaned-sloths-given-new-lease-life-Costa-Rican-sanctuary.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
[14:55] <jacobw> can data be recovered from a CD with a small crack?
[14:55] <BigRedS> jacobw: generally not AFAIK
[14:55] <jacobw> the CD in question has a small crack about 1.5cm originating from the centre
[14:55] <jacobw> BigRedS, :(
[14:56] <BigRedS> You might be able to get some stuff from the outer portion of it, but I don't think there's any sort of data redundancy for that sort of instance
[14:56] <penguin42> I suspect the big problems are 1) Making sure the drive goes slow rather than trying to go at a high speed and 2) the tracking probably goes
[14:56] <BigRedS> so if the bits themsevles cannot be read, there's no way to calculate what they should have been from the rest of the CD
[14:57] <stuphi> ddrescue -b 2048 /dev/cdrom cdimage logfile
[14:57] <stuphi> Found that at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery
[14:59] <jacobw> thanks
[14:59] <stuphi> Hope it helps :-)
[15:11] <OmNomSequitur> jacobw: depends on how long the crack is, if it unbalances the disc...
[15:12] <OmNomSequitur> You'll lose all data from the tracks over the crack.
[15:12] <OmNomSequitur> So a crack going up 1cm from the centre means you lose all data up to 1cm from the centre.
[15:13] <jacobw> i guess i'll find out with this ddrescue thing
[15:14] <stuphi> Once you do the ddrescue, you can mount the image on a loopback device and play around without damaging the disk any more.
[15:23] <jacobw> hopefully :) i could be in trouble for losing the holiday photos :o
[15:24] <danfish> recipe no2 added to the new website http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/2010/11/20/a-spanish-twist-on-a-yorkshire-classic/
[15:29] <jacobw> i've got a very simple receipe.. cashew nuts and sweet chilli sauce mixed together in a bowl
[15:39] <penguin42> what is this? An Open sauce movement?
[15:42] <jacobw> ;)
[15:47] <stuphi> danfish: So you have given us the source code, when can we sample a pre-compiled version? :-)
[15:49] <jacobw> i've just joined twitter, i'm looking for people to follow, any suggestions?
[15:49] <jacobw> http://twitter.com/jacobw0
[16:04] <kaushal> hi
[16:04] <kaushal> has anyone tried searching @domainname.com in the search bar inside gmail ?
[16:05] <danfish> stuphi: there's some leftovers in the bin - I'll post them to you :D
[16:05] <kaushal> is that possible ?
[16:11] <BigRedS> kaushal: it's possible
[16:11] <BigRedS> it's just a full-text search for that string though
[16:32] <Azelphur> got a player who can't connect to my game server, http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=PsAMhhtp
[16:32] <Azelphur> looks like a pretty broken tracert that :(
[16:32] <Azelphur> any idea how he'd approach getting that fixed?
[16:36] <cprofitt> hello beginners team -- say hello to my class
[16:37] <jacobw> hallo class
[16:37] <AlanBell> o/
[16:37] <finelytuned> o/
[16:41] <Pendulum> o/
[16:42] <Pendulum> although last I checked this was #ubuntu-uk, not the Beginners Team
[16:44] <popey> :)
[16:44] <BigRedS> Azelphur: can you get to him?
[16:45] <BigRedS> as in traceroute to his IP
[16:45] <Azelphur> BigRedS: dunno
[16:45] <Azelphur> I'll find out
[16:46] <BigRedS> but I'd blame hisIP
[16:46] <BigRedS> ISP
[16:48] <Azelphur> BigRedS: I don't even get first hop on my way to him
[16:48] <ali1234> looks like intermittent connection
[16:49] <ali1234> that would explain the on-off dns and the random stop in the tracert output
[16:49] <Azelphur> if I don't even get first hop from the datacenter to his IP doesn't that mean some form of filtering is going on?
[16:49] <popey> hello ali1234, not seen you for a while, welcome back
[16:49] <ali1234> popey: i was at meego conf :)
[16:49] <popey> ahhh
[16:49] <ali1234> ironically i hate mobile computers
[16:49] <ali1234> so i didn't go on the internet for a week or so
[16:50] <ali1234> Azelphur: filtering at your end, yeah :)
[16:51] <Azelphur> hmm
[16:51] <ali1234> Azelphur: you know how tracert works right? packets have a maximum hop, so it sends a packet with a "max hops" of 1, then 2, then 3... and sees who reports an error. "max hops" also known as time to live. but some routers will silently drop those errors.
[16:51] <Azelphur> yea I know that
[16:51] <Azelphur> how would I check that my server hasn't somehow firewalled him?
[16:52] <Azelphur> I've never touched iptables so it shouldn't be that
[16:52] <ali1234> i doubt it would accidentally filter one guy
[16:53] <BigRedS> if it was a firewall error, he'd get almost as far as you
[16:53] <ali1234> but it can be hard to figure out what your firewall is really doing
[16:53] <ali1234> that his DNS is intermittent suggests a intermittent internet connection
[16:54] <Azelphur> still even if he had an intermittent connection or was completely unplugged, I should still get past the first hop right?
[16:54] <ali1234> yeah but that is unrelated
[16:54] <Azelphur> it is?
[16:54] <ali1234> yes
[16:55] <ali1234> presumably
[16:55] <ali1234> i mean his DNS path goes nowhere near your server
[16:56] <ali1234> if i were him i would do a ping -nt <IP_ADDRESS> and leave it going for a while
[16:56] <Azelphur> he's on windows
[16:56] <ali1234> windows has ping
[16:56] <Azelphur> ok :p
[16:56] <ali1234> i dunno if -n is right though
[16:56] <ali1234> but whatever one makes it not look up ips
[16:57] <ali1234> it's just ping -t
[16:57] <ali1234> doesn't resolve by default
[16:58] <ali1234> if that works ok i would start poking the dns servers
[16:59] <Azelphur> he randomly left after 30 minutes of debugging anyway \o/
[16:59] <Azelphur> gotta love the ask n runners
[17:02] <ali1234> randomly, or his connection went totally kaput
[17:02] <Azelphur> like he quit :p
[17:17] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Dean Sas] Married - http://www.deansas.org/blog/2010/11/20/married/
[17:25] <popey> how was meego conf btw ali1234 ?
[17:26] <ali1234> very technical, nokia played it very low key as well
[17:26] <ali1234> possibly because they don't want to take the blame for meego handset being totally unusable :)
[17:27] <popey> heh
[17:27] <ali1234> that and there is no official hardware to run it on
[17:27] <popey> helpful
[17:27] <popey> is there an x86 port?
[17:27] <popey> or is it arm only?
[17:27] <ali1234> of handset? yeah
[17:27] <ali1234> there's even an x86 phone that runs it, called avaa or something
[17:27] <ali1234> not available to the public though
[17:27] <ali1234> they wouldn't even let people take photos of it at the conf
[17:27] <popey> i guess they're using reference hardware?
[17:28] <popey> not actual phone shaped things?
[17:28] <ali1234> the avaa is phone shaped
[17:28] <ali1234> most community developers are using the n900
[17:28] <ali1234> it's not officially supported for for end users but nokia are putting some resources into the port
[17:28] <ali1234> but it will never be an official upgrade
[17:29] <ali1234> they gave us all ideapads though... netbook that transforms into a tablet
[17:29] <ali1234> so it has a touch screen... so we can develop meego touch apps
[17:30] <popey> the lenovo thing?
[17:30] <ali1234> yes
[17:30] <popey> nice
[17:30] <popey> well, is it a nice device?
[17:30] <popey> or are you under NDA and cant say? :)
[17:30] <ali1234> no NDA, it's not exactly new hardware either
[17:31] <ali1234> been out for like a year
[17:31] <ali1234> it's alright, i mean i can't really complain for free
[17:31] <popey> sure
[17:31] <ali1234> it's not as nice as that new dell thing though
[17:31] <ali1234> build quality... is a bit wobbly
[17:31] <ali1234> i wouldn't buy one for the price they normally cost... i'd get the dell instead
[18:24] <nucc1> erm, if apache simply says "fail" on the terminal when I try to start it, where can i find out why its failing?
[18:37] <penguin42> isn't there an apache log somewhere?
[18:51] <nucc1> penguin42, there is. thanks. thought there was some way of getting the daemon to spit out the errors it encountered
[18:54] <popey> evening
[19:01] <issyl0> popey: evening :)
[19:03] <jacobw> evening
[19:11] <czajkowski> bah
[19:17] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Pope] The Etherpad Foundation is Hiring - http://popey.com/blog/2010/11/20/the-etherpad-foundation-is-hiring/
[19:28] <DJones> popey: Have you seen the email re changing the /topic for the new log location? Looking at the wording on jussi's email, its not going to fit.  Any suggestions, or just change the log location part & miss out the acceptance of terms section
[19:28] <jussi> DJones: please use the chanserv message ;)
[19:29] <DJones> jussi: ok, cheers
[19:29] <jussi> DJones: as listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots
[19:29] <jussi> DJones: theres no need for it to be in the topic if theres an entry message
[19:29] <DJones> jussi: Yes, thats where I'm looking, thats fine, solves the problem
[19:29] <jussi> excellent :)
[19:30] <DJones> Is it just the owner that can set entry messages, or anyone with ops
[19:30] <jussi> anyone with +s
[19:31] <DJones> msg ChanServ SET #ubuntu-uk ENTRYMSG Welcome to #channel. This channel is publicly logged at irclogs.ubuntu.com. Use of this channel implies acceptance of the terms at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService
[19:31] <Azelphur> derp :p
[19:31] <Azelphur> oh dear not an entry message
[19:31] <Azelphur> those are silly
[19:31] <jussi> DJones: you need to fix the #channel
[19:31] <DJones> Yup, should have it now
[19:31] <Azelphur> jussi: entry messages are silly, that's what the topic is for :(
[19:32] <jussi> DJones: great :)
[19:33] <DJones> Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived:  http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/ | Mailing List: http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines -  http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | Meeting 23rd November 21:00 GMT in #ubuntu-uk-meeting http://tinyurl.com/uukmeet |  Christmas party http://ubunt.eu/c2 ☃
[19:35] <jussi> lol
[19:35] <jussi> not quite ;)
[19:37] <Azelphur> christmas party :o
[19:37] <czajkowski> Azelphur: where you been :)
[19:37] <Azelphur> nowhere :D
[20:31] <finelytuned> evening all
[20:55] <AlanBell> evening all
[20:57] <finelytuned> hi ya
[20:58] <dutchie>  hi AlanBell and finelytuned
[21:00] <Pendulum> hiya
[21:04] <AlanBell> http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/todays-chatter updated with the new log location
[21:15] <finelytuned> is there another alternative program to wine?
[21:15] <Azelphur> finelytuned: there are forks of wine, there's also virtual machines
[21:15] <Azelphur> besides that no
[21:15] <dutchie> "windows"
[21:17]  * AlanBell is loving wine
[21:17] <finelytuned> i love a type.......... just not the computing type :0
[21:18] <AlanBell> I am using python under wine to access a clunky old win32 api that extracts stuff from a document management system
[21:19] <AlanBell> then stuffs it into Alfresco via CMIS
[21:19] <Azelphur> I wish my TF2 would stop playing up under wine
[21:19] <AlanBell> about 140,000 files totalling 40GB or thereabouts
[21:20] <Azelphur> Anyone happen to know what this is about? http://pastebin.com/hQdE57SL
[21:20] <finelytuned> brb
[21:20] <dutchie> Azelphur: wine devs probably would if you filed a bug *cough*
[21:20] <Azelphur> the stuff line 33 onwards looks like the breakage
[21:21] <Azelphur> dutchie: I don't think it's a bug
[21:21] <dutchie> what is it then?
[21:21] <AlanBell> it is a bug, unless it also breaks in windows
[21:22] <Azelphur> I have no idea, I have one wine bottle which can launch tf2 but the other can't
[21:22] <Azelphur> I wonder if it's an account thing...
[21:22] <finelytuned> i think i have it working
[21:24] <Azelphur> yea I get that wined3d stuff in my second wine bottle but the game still starts
[21:37] <zleap> hi tombrough
[21:53] <zleap> is the new desktop going to be using unity or wayland
[21:55] <AlanBell> zleap: unity
[21:55] <zleap> ah
[21:55] <dutchie> zleap: it's not an either/or
[21:55] <zleap> so what is wayland,
[21:55] <AlanBell> wayland is a long term possible replacement for X
[21:55] <zleap> ah, so unity will sit on top of X
[21:55] <AlanBell> so one day it might be Unity on Wayland rather than unity on X
[21:55] <zleap> so is wayladn similar to X as in client / server type thing
[21:56] <dutchie> http://wayland.freedesktop.org/architecture.html
[21:56] <AlanBell> (or gnome-shell or traditional gnome panels if this funky new hotness isn't as hot as hoped)
[21:56] <zleap> ah
[21:56] <AlanBell> zleap: less network transparency and more OpenGL
[21:57] <zleap> so that means games are easier to write and other software that needs OpenGL
[21:58] <zleap> so less network transparency means more secure right
[21:58] <AlanBell> not sure it will make much difference to writing stuff that needs openGL
[21:58] <zleap> but it means more stuff like compiz etc
[21:58] <AlanBell> and I wouldn't think it is particularly more secure
[21:59] <zleap> ok
[21:59] <zleap> so what does that mean then
[21:59] <AlanBell> might be better performance
[21:59] <zleap> ah
[22:00] <zleap> sounds good
[22:00] <tombrough> will wayland support the X networking protocols?
[22:01] <zleap> looking at the link posted earlier yes,  as its going to be backward compatable
[22:01] <zleap> http://wayland.freedesktop.org/architecture.html
[22:24] <zleap> so is the switch to wayland ubuntu only or part of a longer term stragegy across distros
[22:27] <dutchie> so far, i think it's only ubuntu out of the major distros that have said they are considering wayland
[22:27] <popey> fedora have too
[22:27] <zleap> ah
[22:27] <popey> and mint say they'll wait and see
[22:27] <zleap> maybe there could be a wubuntu that can be a test bed for wayland development
[22:27] <popey> i dont think that would be helpful
[22:27] <zleap> ah
[22:27] <popey> it should be in the main distro so that its exposed to more people
[22:28] <AlanBell> it is not ready for anything yet
[22:28] <popey> indeed, this is all some way off
[22:28] <zleap> ah
[22:28] <zleap> sounds good though
[23:05] <AlanBell> http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/2010/11/20/christmas-party/
[23:05] <dutchie> when is that going to stop being beta.?
[23:05] <dutchie> and i like the "no sprouts" rule
[23:06] <AlanBell> "soon"
[23:07] <finelytuned> how do i take ownership of a folder containing multiple files thats been given to me
[23:17] <penguin42> finelytuned: chown -R yourusername directory
[23:18] <finelytuned> penguin42: ty
[23:18] <finelytuned> :)


[00:59] <aljosa> i'm getting "/usr/lib/lxc/templates/lxc-ubuntu-cloud: line 240: type: ubuntu-cloudimg-query: not found" when using "lxc-create -t ubuntu-cloud -n box2"
[00:59] <aljosa> any ideas?
[01:06] <resno> im considering splitting my server into mysql db and web server... which machine needs to be beefer?
[01:06] <resno> or would it be better to just get a better server and be done with it?
[01:07] <aljosa> resno: it's usually database that needs a good hw but depends on your case. do you actually have perfromance issues?
[01:10] <smoser> Deathvalley122, your issue is that you have wildcard domain for that
[01:10] <smoser> i think.
[01:10] <resno> aljosa: nah... just setting it up so, im curious if im just being silly or or not
[01:10] <smoser> basically, cloud-init tried looking up 'ubuntu-mirror' in the domain was found in metadata server's local-hostname.
[01:10] <resno> aljosa: im moving from a shared host to vps... so im unsure what my needs really are, but these are low inboxes
[01:11] <smoser> and got a hit.
[01:16] <Deathvalley122> smoser: was that a tab error?
[02:35] <mariooo> hi all. having consistent network issues with an upgraded 11.04 > 11.10 VM.
[02:35] <mariooo> hoping for some help as to how to debug/diagnose the issue, lots of googling but not really sure where to go from here.
[02:36] <mariooo> some system info + things i've tried: http://pastie.org/3876605
[02:36] <twb> Define "issues"
[02:36] <mariooo> basically all networking seems to work fine until any significant traffic occurs, most notably apt-get update/upgrade. this seems
[02:36] <mariooo> to crash the network adapter (if i'm SSHed my connection gets dropped) and can't do anything till networking is restarted
[02:36] <Bronze> twb++ :)
[02:36] <mariooo> I was intending to upgrade to 12.04LTS but wasn't aware of the required -d flag on do-release-upgrade, so now am stuck (do-release-upgrade fails as network crashes randomly while trying to get packages)
[02:37] <qman__> mariooo, release upgrades must be done incrementally; you'd have to go 11.04 -> 11.10 -> 12.04 regardless
[02:37] <qman__> the exception is that LTS can upgrade directly to LTS
[02:37] <mariooo> qman__: damn. was fearing that might be the case.
[02:37] <qman__> 8.04 -> 10.04 -> 12.04
[02:38] <mariooo> sure. well in that case guess I really can't avoid this issue, all our VMs are on 11.04 =(
[02:38] <twb> mariooo: is the VM running a GUI?
[02:38] <mariooo> twb: no, headless server VMs
[02:38] <twb> mariooo: is network manager (the backend daemon) installed?
[02:39] <mariooo> twb: I'm unsure. how would I check?
[02:39] <twb> mariooo: dpkg -l | grep network, I guess.  I forget if there's a hyphen in the package name
[02:39] <qman__> there is
[02:39] <qman__> network-manager, network-manager-gnome, etc
[02:40] <twb> qman__: package is network-manager, process is NetworkManager, right?
[02:40] <qman__> yes
[02:40] <qman__> couldn't tell you why, makes about as much sense as the rest of it
[02:41] <twb> mariooo: pastebin output of "cat /etc/network/interfaces; ip a; ip r"
[02:41] <twb> mariooo: and tell us if NM is installed
[02:41] <qman__> and now 12.04 has mandatory resolvconf, even more headaches
[02:41] <twb> qman__: apparently if you rm the symlink it goes back to traditional mode
[02:41] <ScottK> Not on servers.
[02:41] <twb> ScottK: ubuntu-standard isn't installed on servers?
[02:42] <qman__> it is on all the servers I installed
[02:42] <ScottK> It is.
[02:42] <mariooo> pastie updated. network manager doesn't appear to be there
[02:42]  * twb digs out a precise box to check the exact deps
[02:42] <qman__> when I first experienced the issue I used chattr +i to stop it, but the next update broke it
[02:42] <ScottK> Nevermind.  I was wrong.
[02:42] <mariooo> had an idle connection crash on me for the first time, so I guess I retract what I said before about high traffic. high traffic just seems to make it happen sooner.
[02:42] <twb> qman__: dpkg-divert --rename
[02:42] <qman__> granted that was a weak hack with no real research put into it
[02:43] <twb> Anyway wtf how could chattr +i be subverted
[02:43] <qman__> I don't know!
[02:43] <virusuy> mariooo: that issue only happens in your VM ??
[02:43] <virusuy> not in other VM .. or somewhere else ?
[02:43] <twb> mariooo: I cannot see anything wrong there.  When it crashes, what still works?  e.g. does ping still work?  What VM technology (KVM, ESX, ...) are you using?
[02:44] <mariooo> virusuy: not sure what you mean... I've only got 1 VM that i've upgraded atm. I had a previous VM that had the exact same issues, but I trashed it in hopes of upgrading straight to 12.04, but have ended up on 11.10 again with exact same issues
[02:44] <virusuy> and you're using ..... KVM? XEN? ESXI ?
[02:45] <mariooo> twb: I'm unsure what our underlying system is, I know what our hardware is but the guys at the colo are managing the VM pltform
[02:45] <twb> eek
[02:45] <virusuy> so.. let me see if i understand the issue...
[02:45] <mariooo> I could probably ask & find out, but it might take a while. Any way I can do it from the system?
[02:45] <twb> "Unassigned class [ff80]: XenSource, Inc. Xen Platform Device (rev 01)" sounds like xen
[02:45] <mariooo> oh yeah deffo Xen
[02:45] <virusuy> eek
[02:45] <mariooo> sorry, it wasn't in the list so thought you were talking abotu something lower level
[02:46] <twb> xen doesn't do full virtualization, it does some magic hacks in the kernel
[02:46] <twb> So you probably aren't running a stock 11.10 kernel
[02:46] <mariooo> right, so it's an issue the colo guys will need to help resolve?
[02:46] <twb> Oh wait, I take it back -- current kernels can be domU without any extra changes
[02:46] <mariooo> hrm.
[02:46] <twb> mariooo: it is definitely worth talking to them about it, since they have access to the dom0 and can check things we can't
[02:47] <twb> But it's a stock ubuntu kernel, going by the uname -a
[02:47] <mariooo> yeah well I've mentioned it before but they've not been very helpful about it, so I have a feeling they have no idea
[02:47] <virusuy> if you suffered this issue before in other VM ... looks like a issue with that eth
[02:48] <qman__> you might try booting the old kernel after the upgrade
[02:48] <twb> mariooo: get a better colo provider ;-P
[02:48] <virusuy> twb: :)
[02:49] <qman__> or a newer one
[02:52] <mariooo> twb: haha, they have been pretty awesome for everything aside from this. we're in australia so our choices seem pretty limited =(
[02:53] <mariooo> qman__: sorry to noob-out on this, but any pointers for how I'd go about this? something to do with grub? =D
[02:53] <qman__> yep
[02:53] <twb> mariooo: I'm in .au too
[02:53] <twb> mariooo: most people I know don't bother hosting within .au because it's so fucking stupidly expensive
[02:54] <mariooo> twb: financial clients. legal implications. yada yada.
[02:54] <qman__> connect to the 'local' console, use shift during boot, select old kernel
[02:54] <twb> mariooo: sorry to hear that :-(
[02:54] <twb> qman__: can he do that without dom0 access?
[02:54] <mariooo> twb: thing ping is glorious though, our colo is like 2 streets away from work. nobody works locally
[02:54] <qman__> if you can't do that, you can modify grub config, but I don't know how to do that specifically in grub2
[02:54] <twb> mariooo: you in sydney?
[02:54] <mariooo> twb: indeedy
[02:54] <twb> Who is the provider?
[02:55] <mariooo> qman__: hrm ok, I'll go poking around
[02:55] <mariooo> twb: spectrum networks
[03:06] <mariooo> twb / qman__: thanks for the pointers btw, really appreciate it!
[03:07] <Tohuw> How can I add a second image to my Ubuntu PXE server? I have the first one working, but am unclear on how to add the second and how to pick the image. I setup PXE per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallServer
[03:11] <TenLetters> I had a question if someone wouldn't mind answering...
[03:11] <virusuy> !ask
[03:11] <virusuy> !ask TenLetters
[03:11] <TenLetters> thanks
[03:12] <TenLetters> I was just trying to get somebodys attention
[03:12] <TenLetters> I found an old computer in my parents storage unit, Celeron 2.7 Ghz, 512 mb, 40 gb hd. I was wondering if you would think I would have significant problems running a server on it. I don't plan on anything major, I just wanted to learn to connect to and operate a server, and learn linux.
[03:14] <Tohuw> TenLetters: I have successfully run Ubuntu 9.04 on a Pentium MMX. You will be fine, provided you don't overburden it. I'd consider picking up >= 512MB more RAM, but overall you should be fine as a starter. Some server applications/platforms will considerably slow performance, though.
[03:15] <Tohuw> TenLetters: A base install of ubuntu server with OpenSSH server will run "fine" though.
[03:16] <TenLetters> Tohuw: Thank you so much! Will have to see what I can find in the way of ram, could probably bump it to 1 GB..
[03:17] <Tohuw> TenLetters: not a must, but it will certainly help if you start tooling around with Apache, SQL, etc.
[03:17] <Resistance> TenLetters:  a Celeron is kind of old... you might not be able to get 1GB of RAM in something that old
[03:18] <Resistance> you'd have to check the specs for that board
[03:18] <Resistance> for that system (and that may be hard to find)
[03:18] <TenLetters> Resistance: Good point, will have to look and see. It's a DDR400 board
[03:18] <Resistance> oh god, DDR?
[03:18] <TenLetters> yeah >.>
[03:18] <Resistance> i highly doubt you'll be able to even *FIND* RAM for that
[03:18] <TenLetters> I know a few places
[03:18] <Resistance> at least not within a normally-affordable range
[03:19] <TenLetters> I used to work at a computer store, I know they had a lot laying around.
[03:19] <Resistance> i'd still go search the specs up for that board, it sohuld have information about the maximum amount of RAM those systems can have
[03:19] <Resistance> if i remember when i worked on boards with Celeron in those days
[03:19] <TenLetters> ah
[03:19] <Resistance> they had 2 or 4 slots for memory, and could handle 128MB per slot
[03:19] <Resistance> which normally maxes out at 512
[03:20] <TenLetters> Well
[03:20] <Resistance> what's the make/model of the system
[03:20] <TenLetters> I have 2 slots with 256 in them
[03:20] <Resistance> i *might* be able to find it
[03:20] <TenLetters> I have to open it up
[03:20] <TenLetters> I replaced the mobo
[03:20] <TenLetters> give me a sec
[03:20] <Resistance> Desktop / Server?  or Laptop?
[03:20]  * Resistance assumes Desktop / Server for something that old
[03:20] <TenLetters> Desktop
[03:20] <TenLetters> I could find a better use for a laptop
[03:21] <Tohuw> Resistance: in my experience, motherboards supporting 2+ GHz Celerons rarely failed to support at least 1 GB maximum.
[03:21] <Resistance> ah, if you replaced the mobo, give me those specs
[03:21] <Resistance> Tohuw:  depends on the board, some could, others couldnt
[03:21] <qman__> TenLetters, it depends entirely on what you want to run -- but as another example, my shell server is a K6 200MHz with 256MB EDO and a 10GB hard drive
[03:21] <Resistance> i.e. mobo manufacturer and model (in case, i'll check what the max memory is in that, if possible)
[03:21] <TenLetters> well damn qman__
[03:21] <qman__> if it ain't broke
[03:22] <TenLetters> Resistance: Prescott 800 model P4i65G
[03:22] <TenLetters> Manufacturer: Asrock
[03:22] <TenLetters> my old POS when I was a little kid...
[03:22] <TenLetters> running it makes it feel like opening a time capsule.
[03:23] <Resistance> this one?  http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?model=p4i65g
[03:23] <Tohuw> qman__: K6's are indestructible processors. It's scientifically proven. I still have a working K6/128 MB RAM box sitting around, running some antiquated Slackware. I think it will outlast all my other systems... combined.
[03:24] <Resistance> TenLetters:  see my last message
[03:24] <qman__> that's why I use it
[03:24] <qman__> it's never going to stop
[03:24] <qman__> at least not before everything else I have
[03:24] <TenLetters> Resistance: That's it
[03:25] <Resistance> TenLetters:  mem specs of relevance: 2 x DDR DIMM slots, dual channel tech.  Supports DDR400/333/266 non-ECC, un-buffered memory.  Max. capacity of system memory: 2GB
[03:25] <TenLetters> Tohuw, qman__: I wish things were like the old days, all of these old products seem to last much longer than the newer ones. SNES are still going while XBox's and PS3 are dropping out of the sky
[03:26] <TenLetters> Resistance: Thanks, Supports 2 GB, which will cost an arm and a leg for DDR :/
[03:26] <qman__> plus the fact that it can literally only handle about 20 SSH login attempts a minute turns out to be a feature
[03:26] <Resistance> TenLetters:  indeed.
[03:26] <TenLetters> wow...
[03:26] <twb> qman__: you can simply tell sshd to do that
[03:26] <Resistance> TenLetters:  you *might* find some on ebay, or that shop you mentioned, but for all intents and purposes, i dont think you'll affordably find any
[03:27] <TenLetters> here's some on newegg
[03:27] <twb> qman__: MaxStartups 8:16:32
[03:27] <TenLetters> $25 :/
[03:27] <mariooo> twb: oh sorry, when you were asking if network-manager was installed, was it a good or bad thing for it to not be?
[03:27] <qman__> I use iptables to cull it further and stop the disk activity I was getting during brute force attempts before
[03:27] <TenLetters> which isn't terrible, but I don't think it's worth buying for an experiment Resistance.
[03:28] <twb> mariooo: NM causes problems, it should not be installed
[03:28] <twb> mariooo: at least not on a server
[03:28] <mariooo> right. ok
[03:28] <qman__> it's convenient on a laptop with wifi
 plus the fact that it can literally only handle about 20 SSH login attempts a minute turns out to be a feature <-- okay, that made me actually laugh out loud
[03:28] <qman__> that's about the only time it should be used, ever
[03:30] <Resistance> TenLetters:  its not *bad*, but its not experiment-like costs :P
[03:30] <Tohuw> qman__: any system with mobile broadband is also easier with nm, and any system that has to readily support multiple wired settings (for whatever reason) is also easier.
[03:31] <qman__> for multiple wired networks I usually just configure them all simultaneously as subinterfaces
[03:31] <qman__> I can see how that would be useful though
[03:38] <Destreyf> I was wondering if anyone had a recommendation for setting up openstack up and running with only having 4 machines (1 machine as MAAS/juju). https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuCloudInfrastructure <- says 10 machines, though i don't have that many on hand at the moment.
[03:40] <qman__> Destreyf, I don't know why exactly that is, but it does use 'minimum' twice in once sentence, so I assume that's important
[03:42] <qman__> then again, it appears to contradict itself, implying you need different machines for the juju and MAAS, then saying you can install juju on the MAAS a couple lines later
[03:45] <Destreyf> well i know you can use lxc to create virtual containers and deploy them, but i have near zero experiance getting there, i was trying to enter ubuntu-cloud channel, but it requires an invite apparently lol
[03:46] <qman__> I really don't know much about it, never used it
[03:46] <Destreyf> dang.
[03:47] <qman__> I run all my stuff bare metal, mostly on old junk, just don't have those kinds of requirements
[03:47] <Destreyf> lol my work has a bunch of powerful servers, that sit around 90% of the time idle, and we're trying to migrate into a cloud infastructure/virtualization so we can use those environments so we can utilizes only what's needed on the smaller machines.
[03:49] <qman__> good in theory, though I'd be interested to see at what point it actually pays off
[03:49] <qman__> in my case I'd have to buy a bunch of new hardware to do it, so a few extra kilowatt hours are cheaper for me
[03:50] <Tohuw> I'm baffled at why the example deployment they provide requires a "minimum of 10 machines" -- OpenStack itself doesn't really care. Juju might somewhere in there, though I don't know why...
[03:50] <qman__> a few grand can power the old K6 for a looong time
[03:52] <Tohuw> qman__: I usually argue virtualization/private cloud infrastructures not based on power savings, but balanced resource consumption. Being able to spike key services across more underlying hardware is nice.
[03:53] <twb> Tohuw: the main benefit of VMs is not having to deal with stupid hardware issues anymoer
[03:53] <twb> e.g. if a HDD dies, that is someone else's problem, not yours (the VM maintainer's)
[03:54] <twb> Your OS suddenly only has to care about a little old ne2000 and an ISA bus ;-)
[03:54] <Tohuw> twb: to an extent, yes. But I'm usually proposing virtualization to the parties for whom the dead HDD is a problem.
[03:55] <qman__> don't get me wrong, it's great tech, just wondering at what point it's worth doing, just how many servers you have to have to see the value
[03:55] <twb> qman__: IMO it's not worth the extra infrastructure hassle for less than, oh, five, ten or twenty boxes
[03:56] <twb> If you are at the end of a hw/os cycle ANYWAY, it might make sense for the next build to consolidate several boxes onto a single beefy one using VM tech to partition that hw
[03:56] <qman__> I've only got six, and a few of them wouldn't virtualize well anyway
[03:56] <Tohuw> qman__: That answer has been downshifting as the solutions get cheaper. I have clients of < 25 employees/~5 servers who see significant returns on their virtualized infrastructure, and that's with VMWare, so licensing is in the mix.
[03:56] <qman__> one's the router, one's the file server, and one's a game server (needs the performance)
[03:57] <twb> Tohuw: but you probably aren't including the cost of upskilling someone (i.e. you) to know how to deal with VMs, because you already know
[03:57] <Tohuw> I theorize qman__ is the last professional Quake 2 Deathmatch host in the world.
[03:57] <twb> That extra training can be a non-negligible cost
[03:57] <twb> qman__: yeah I wouldn't bother
[03:58] <qman__> counter strike was always more my thing
[03:58] <twb> qman__: esp. since the first two can run on your old laptop
[03:58] <Tohuw> twb: Certainly a fair point: the clients in question use my employer for outsourced IT resources, so we're there in some capacity to help.
[03:59] <qman__> but this one actually runs minecraft
[03:59] <twb> I don't "get" minecraft
[03:59] <Tohuw> twb: Though, to play devil's advocate, VMWare offers support as part of the licensure (yes, the support will make your eyes bleed sometimes, but it is there)
[03:59] <Tohuw> You and me both, twb
[03:59] <twb> That's about as useful as normal upstream support
[03:59] <qman__> it's fun for a while, I actually haven't played it in quite some time, I've got a bunch of friends who do
[04:00] <twb> Is it a C4 game or what
[04:00] <qman__> I'm the only one with the experience and infrastructure to actually run a 24/7 server for it, though, so I do
[04:01] <TenLetters> twb: "C4"?
[04:01] <twb> And why does a c4 game include a 16-bit CPU building block
[04:01] <twb> TenLetters: like civilization
[04:01] <TenLetters> twb: Ah, no. Think interactive legos
[04:01] <qman__> not really
[04:01] <qman__> it's more of a sandbox
[04:01] <twb> qman__: so like GTA?
[04:01] <TenLetters> twb: every played with legos?
[04:01] <TenLetters> :o
[04:01] <qman__> yes, except with less gangsters and more garry's mod
[04:01] <qman__> in cubes
[04:02] <twb> Never heard of garry's mode
[04:02] <TenLetters> Pretty much do whatever you feel like twb. Build crap, blow it up...
[04:02] <twb> TenLetters: yes, but never with any that had electronics
[04:02] <TenLetters> twb: You poor poor person...
[04:03] <qman__> it's part generic survival and part collaborative construction tool
[04:03] <qman__> in an infinitely large world of cubes
[04:03] <TenLetters> qman__: actually, there are problems if you go too far out
[04:03] <qman__> and that last part is why it needs a decent server
[04:04] <qman__> combined with the fact that it's written in java
[04:04] <TenLetters> poorly written java
[04:04] <TenLetters> has hella memory leaks from what i've seen.
[04:05] <twb> all java is poorly written java
[04:06] <TenLetters> good point...
[04:06] <twb> The only time I've seen anything on the JVM that wasn't poorly done, was because it was compiled down from something else
[04:26] <Destreyf> lol i'm off reading, and you guys had a massive conversation
[04:27] <Destreyf> We have the hardware infastruture to do a cloud, i just dont have all of it available now.
[04:28] <Destreyf> using LXC to substitute the other "5-6" boxes i need.
[04:28] <Destreyf> until i can move stuff onto the virtualized enviroments.
[04:33] <Destreyf> So anyone in here have any experiance with Juju?
[05:37] <Deathvalley122> pdtpatrick: fixed it turns out that the install for ubuntu installed resolvconf package
[05:37] <Deathvalley122> its resolving fine now
[06:42] <eagles0513875_> hey guys i think there is an issue with the 12.04 server documentation when it comes to dovecot :( the configuration file is different compared to whats mentioned on the 12.04 server guide for it
[07:19] <SpamapS> eagles0513875_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-docs/+filebug
[07:20] <eagles0513875_> ty SpamapS
[07:41] <KM0201> is there a command to list all installed packages?
[07:42] <twb> dpkg --get-selections
[07:44] <KM0201> thanks
[12:17] <abo> anybody here able to help with juju?
[12:48] <Farith> good day peeps. Looking for some assistance on troubleshooting wakeonlan issues. Anyone?
[12:50] <Farith> wake from pm-hibernate seems to have disabled my eth0
[12:53] <henkjan> ethtool -s eth0 wol g
[12:53] <henkjan> does that help?
[12:55] <Farith> if done heaps of stuff...including that...and it aint working....
[12:55] <Farith> well...WOL works....
[12:56] <Farith> the server wakes fine...but eth0 is disabled.
[12:56] <Farith> running sudo ethtool eth0 gives me a link down status
[12:57] <Farith> im on 12.04 lts btw
[13:01] <Farith> this only happens after a reboot followed by a pm-hibernate
[13:01] <Farith> the next pm-hibernate ran in the same session wakes the server perfectly
[13:19] <Barbo91> Hi guys! Need help with the new ubuntu 12, i need to configure dns on my ubuntu server. resolv.conf file change everytime i reboot and i don't know how to configure the resolvconf package. Someone can help me?
[13:20] <tsimpson> Barbo91: have a look at http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[13:24] <Barbo91> tsimpson, thank you, i'm going to read it and i will come back if i cant fix it :)
[13:25] <tsimpson> you basically do the same edits, but in one of the files in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/
[13:29] <Barbo91> yep just fixed it :) Thanks for help! Nice work with 12.04 i'm loving it! :D
[14:22] <jsmith-argotec> what is the best way to change the default i/o schedular back to deadline persistently in 12.04?
[14:22] <jsmith-argotec> s/schedular/scheduler
[14:32] <jsmith-argotec> nevermind found it - looks like adding to /etc/default/grub is probably best
[14:51] <mgw> is there a way to set the ldap rootpw from an already encrypted value?
[14:56] <jsmith-argotec> mgw: ldapmodify with replace: and use the old encrypted value
[14:57] <jsmith-argotec> mgw: what type of encryption?
[14:57] <jsmith-argotec> mgw: err should I say setup with whatever for a password then after replace with the correct value.  That is if I'm understanding your question properly
[15:05] <philsf> can anyone please help me debug an annoying issue? I have a single lucid box that I can't get ssh public key authentication to work, and it refuses silently, asking for a password instead. I configured .ssh/authorized_keys correctly, and synced all ~/.ssh/* from another lucid box that accepts pubkey auth with the same user config files, and the same configs in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. Where else should I look? Here is the debug information from a
[15:05] <philsf> connection attempt: http://paste.ubuntu.com/975923/
[15:09] <patdk-wk> did you check permissions?
[15:09] <patdk-wk> and file ownership
[15:09] <philsf> patdk-wk, yep, they are all the same. I synced with rsync
[15:09] <patdk-wk> all the same sounds like *broken*
[15:16] <philsf> http://paste.ubuntu.com/975949/
[15:16] <philsf> it's the same files, and permissions. both for files and the ~/.ssh dir itself
[15:17] <philsf> I use these same keys in several machines, but this is the only one that ignores them. And doesn't even give me an informative error
[15:19] <philsf> oh, wait. I see now the error in sshd log. bad permissions on home dir. :/
[15:19] <philsf> thanks anyway
[15:32] <eagles0513875> hey guys i have nfs setup and exporting just fine on my local machine. My problem now is actually allowing the user to have write access to /mnt/iso to put some iso images in that directory. can someone help me and point me to what i am missing
[15:37] <patdk-wk> eagles0513875, nfs 3 or 4?
[15:39] <eagles0513875> patdk-lap_: this is the way i have the export setup /mnt/iso *(rw,sync,no_root_squash)
[15:39] <eagles0513875> i dunno if thats nfs2 3 or 4
[15:39] <eagles0513875> patdk-lap_: i followed what was in the 12.04 server guide online
[15:42] <jsmith-argotec> trying to start up samba after upgrading to 12.04 and getting a failure on nmbd - not finding much in the logs
[15:42] <jsmith-argotec> root@xx:~# service nmbd start
[15:43] <jsmith-argotec> start: Job failed to start
[15:43] <jsmith-argotec> init: nmbd pre-start process (19425) terminated with status 1
[15:49] <halvors1> I'm trying to configure DNS Client on my server.
[15:50] <halvors1> But resolv.conf keep overwriting my config.
[15:50] <halvors1> What do i do?
[15:50] <iunruh> I have a reprepro-backed repository and I'm trying to add a 3rd party (signed by them) package and reprepro complains it can't find the key for said package
[15:53] <eagles0513875> jsmith-argotec:
[15:53] <jsmith-argotec> eagles0513875: yes
[15:53] <eagles0513875> oops sry bout that
[15:54] <eagles0513875> track pad on my netbook is very sensitive with no way to turn it off
[15:54] <jsmith-argotec> :-) you got me excited that you might have had an answer
[15:54] <jsmith-argotec> hehe
[15:56] <halvors1> How add nameservers?
[15:56] <halvors1> I am using static ip configuration.
[15:57] <halvors1> But i can't set static nameservers in resolv.conf :(
[15:58] <eagles0513875> sigh
[15:58] <Naglik> hello everyone
[15:58] <patdk-wk> halvors1, if you cant set static nameservers, you can't use static
[15:59] <patdk-wk> eagles0513875, dunno, either you mounted via nfs4, and didn't setup kerberos
[15:59] <patdk-wk> or you just have user mismatchs or something
[15:59] <eagles0513875> patdk-lap_: well friends server wasnt saving the name servers on reboot
[15:59] <eagles0513875> patdk-lap_: its probably users but is there an nfs user and group that the folder should be set to?
[15:59] <ikonia> nfs is shared out on a per user basis
[15:59] <ikonia> you set the permissions/user list when you export the file system from sharing
[15:59] <ikonia> it's not a "defualt user"
[16:00] <patdk-wk> by default, nfs works on uid and groupid
[16:00] <patdk-wk> nfs4 adds all kinds of other stuff also
[16:00] <ikonia> it's the same as local permissions
[16:00] <halvors1> patdk-wk: The problem is that when i set the nameservers in resolv.conf, they are being overwritten when system reboot.
[16:00] <eagles0513875> ikonia: would you like me to show you what i have in my /etc/exports?
[16:00] <ikonia> halvors1: are you aware of the new annoying dyndns config that is being used
[16:01] <ikonia> eagles0513875: not really
[16:01] <patdk-wk> halvors1, then you failed to read the 12.04, how to handle resolv.conf in the resolvconf world
[16:01] <eagles0513875> halvors1: i can confirm that and this is on a dedicated server im having the same issue
[16:01] <eagles0513875> seems like though adding dns-nameservers to /etc/network/interfaces solved the issue on my friends dedicated though
[16:01] <Naglik> i'v got a lil problem writing my thesis (Master) with peformance: nginx, apache, iis, can i rely on already existing articles covering this topic?
[16:01] <patdk-wk> do people never read the upgrade notes?
[16:01] <ikonia> patdk-wk: no
[16:02] <ikonia> Naglik: how is that anything to do with #ubuntu-server ?
[16:02] <Naglik> hmm, good question
[16:03] <Naglik> bad search algorithm
[16:03] <patdk-wk> you can install nginx/apache (and iis via kvm) on ubuntu-server? :)
[16:03] <Naglik> yep :)
[16:03] <Naglik> nvm then, though here are ppl who can help me :)
[16:03] <Naglik> bb
[16:03]  * patdk-wk would ask your teacher
[16:10] <terinjokes> i'm running 11.04, can I still upgrade to 11.10?
[16:10] <ikonia> eagles0513875: go on then, pastebin your exports file
[16:10] <terinjokes> nvm, looks like the standard do-release-upgrade will handle it
[16:11] <patdk-wk> terinjokes, only if you go to 11.10 -> 12.04
[16:11] <patdk-wk> oh, yes :)
[16:11] <patdk-wk> for another 6months or so
[16:14] <jsmith-argotec> anyone know how I could troubleshoot an upstart job - it's pre-start process is terminating with status 1
[16:14] <halvors1> eagles0513875: Should i use "dns-nameservers" on inet6 (ipv6) interfaces too?
[16:14] <eagles0513875> halvors1: sadly i dunno as we are using ipv4 only
[16:14] <pdtpatrick> jsmith-argotec, pastebin ur pre-start script
[16:16] <eagles0513875> ikonia: the exports file i only added this line the rest is commented out /mnt/iso *(rw,sync,no_root_squash)
[16:17] <jsmith-argotec> pdtpatrick: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/976054/
[16:17] <Daviey> stgraber: hey
[16:17] <ikonia> eagles0513875: ok, so start setting some users/groups
[16:17] <Daviey> hallyn: hey
[16:17] <Daviey> hallyn / stgraber: you wanted a session re-scheduled?
[16:17] <eagles0513875> ikonia: set them to do what though? and how to do that
[16:17] <ikonia> eagles0513875: set them to the permissions you want
[16:18] <stgraber> Daviey: we'd like to ensure the user namepsace session scheduled for tomorrow won't move
[16:18] <eagles0513875> if i want my user i use on this netbook to have access i would need to add that user account to the system in order for it to work?
[16:18] <Daviey> stgraber: i can do that.
[16:18] <ikonia> eagles0513875: you need to the users you want to assign permissions to to exist on the machine doing the auth
[16:18] <stgraber> Daviey: cool. I think the other LXC sessions are already locked so if you can lock that one too, we'll be all good
[16:18] <eagles0513875> ikonia: ok thanks will do that now :)
[16:19] <jsmith-argotec> pdtpatrick:  seems to work ok until I start smbd with pacemaker then nmbd wont start
[16:19] <pdtpatrick> jsmith-argotec, so what happens when u run those commands manually? btw I think upstart runs shell with -e so if there's an error it exits
[16:19] <jsmith-argotec> pdtpatrick: they work fine
[16:20] <pdtpatrick> jsmith-argotec, so pacemaker blows it up ?
[16:20] <pdtpatrick> jsmith-argotec, are there anything in /var/log/syslog ?
[16:21] <jsmith-argotec> pdtpatrick: with smbd running under pacemaker control: -f exits 0, install exits 0, loading NMBD variable exits 1 and loads No into it, NMBD test exits 1
[16:22] <jsmith-argotec> pdtpatrick: seems that pacemaker does blow it up... however it worked fine under 10.04
[16:23] <jsmith-argotec> pdtpatrick: I have one server upgraded and one not.. still works on lucid but not yet on precise
[16:23] <jsmith-argotec> pdtpatrick: this is what I get in syslog: kernel: [ 4900.048887] init: nmbd pre-start process (25312) terminated with status 1
[16:24] <jsmith-argotec> pdtpatrick: this is what I get when trying service nmbd start: start: Job failed to start
[16:24] <pdtpatrick> jsmith-argotec, interesting. So it is testing whether it is disabled. If it is then the script exits and the service never starts? why do u need to check whether it is disabled if ur exiting 0 right after it anyway ?
[16:25] <pdtpatrick> jsmith-argotec, seems like ur prescript exits before it gets to exec nmbd -D
[16:25] <terinjokes> patdk-wk: i'm going 11.04 to 11.10 to install a working libc PPA to then do 11.10 to 12.04
[16:25] <jsmith-argotec> pdtpatrick: this upstart job is default that comes when you install samba - I haven't modified it.
[16:26] <jsmith-argotec> pdtpatrick: I believe it checks if netbios is disable and if it (exit 0 on test) then there's the stop before exiting
[16:26] <jsmith-argotec> pdtpatrick: otherwise the prestart exits 0
[16:27] <jsmith-argotec> pdtpatrick: I agree it never gets to exec... don't get where it's getting the exit 1 from though
[16:27] <pdtpatrick> jsmith-argotec, add -x to ur script
[16:27] <pdtpatrick> and that should allow debug mode
[16:28] <jsmith-argotec> pdtpatrick: in the prestart part?
[16:28] <pdtpatrick> yup
[16:28] <pdtpatrick> jsmith-argotec, so u would add "set -x "
[16:28] <pdtpatrick> atop
[16:29] <pdtpatrick> jsmith-argotec, http://pastie.org/private/bez20phme9bmn14yevypka
[16:29] <pdtpatrick> something like that
[16:29] <pdtpatrick> so change -e to -x
[16:30] <jsmith-argotec> pdtpatrick: no change. no more output in syslog or terminal
[16:30] <pdtpatrick> jsmith-argotec, does pacemaker log anything ?
[16:31] <jsmith-argotec> pdtpatrick: I've been trying to start nmbd manually to rule out the pacemaker side of it
[16:31] <jsmith-argotec> pdtpatrick: but the first time I tried with pacemaker controlling the start of nmbd it did...
[16:33] <pdtpatrick> jsmith-argotec, just curious - make sure there's no process already running and pacemaker is not trying to control it or is controlling it. "crm_mon --one-shot"
[16:33] <jsmith-argotec> pdtpatrick: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/976093/ - output when pacemaker tried to start nmbd
[16:33] <pdtpatrick> jsmith-argotec, also you can add set +e to turn off set -e which is by default with scripts. And then add set -x under the set +e to see if it does any better.
[16:34] <roaksoax> jsmith-argotec: is that with the upstart ra?
[16:34] <jsmith-argotec> roaksoax: yep
[16:34] <roaksoax> ivoks: ^^
[16:35] <roaksoax> ivoks: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/976093/
[16:35] <jsmith-argotec> roaksoax: samba has been upstart since 10.04
[16:35] <jsmith-argotec> or earlier
[16:35] <roaksoax> jsmith-argotec: ivoks is the man for that ;)
[16:35] <jsmith-argotec> roaksoax but it was fine under 10.04
[16:36] <roaksoax> jsmith-argotec: so I'm guessing that if you start nmdb with upstart directly it doesn't fail but it does with pacemaker?
[16:36] <jsmith-argotec> roaksoax: no it fails either way when I have smbd under pacemaker control
[16:37] <jsmith-argotec> roaksoax: but when I migrate everything *samba* away then nmbd starts fine
[16:37] <jsmith-argotec> pdtpatrick: crm output: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/976098/
[16:37] <jsmith-argotec> roaksoax: ^^^
[16:38] <roaksoax> jsmith-argotec: isn't there any logs in /var/log/upstart/etcetc.log
[16:38] <roaksoax> s/etcetc/by the job
[16:38] <jsmith-argotec> roaksoax: shouldn't matter that pacemaker won't start nmbd due to failcount when I'm trying to manually start nmbd should it?
[16:39] <roaksoax> jsmith-argotec: for what I can read in the fail log before (The last reference on a connection was dropped without closing the connection), it seems that there's an open connection for the daemon on dbus
[16:39] <roaksoax> and trying to open a new one, fails
[16:39] <jsmith-argotec> roaksoax: there is a nmbd.log in /var/log/upstart but I don't understand it
[16:40] <pdtpatrick> jsmith-argotec, so maybe "crm resource stop <servicename> && crm resource cleanup <servicename> "
[16:40] <jsmith-argotec> roaksoax: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/976115/
[16:40] <roaksoax> jsmith-argotec: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#debugging
[16:41]  * roaksoax will brb
[16:42] <ivoks> jsmith-argotec: so, once smbd is started, nmbd won't start?
[16:42] <jsmith-argotec> pdtpatrick: I have a meeting in a couple minutes I just realized... thanks for the help!  I'll be back in a bit to try again
[16:42] <jsmith-argotec> roaksoax: I have a meeting in a couple minutes I just realized... thanks for the help!  I'll be back in a bit to try again
[16:42] <jsmith-argotec> ivoks: once smbd is started under pacemaker yes
[16:43] <ivoks> run nmbd -d 10 -D
[16:43] <jsmith-argotec> ivoks: I've only tried to start nmbd with smbd stopped when pacemaker wasn't controlling smbd
[16:44] <jsmith-argotec> ivoks: that worked
[16:45] <ivoks> while smbd was managed by pacemaker?
[16:45] <jsmith-argotec> ivoks: yes
[16:45] <jsmith-argotec> ivoks: the upstart nmbd.conf has changed slightly in 12.04 vs 10.04
[16:46] <jsmith-argotec> ivoks: I thought maybe the -f smb.conf test failed due to my using a pacemaker symlink for it but i tested that line in terminal and it worked fine
[16:47] <jsmith-argotec> ivoks: because the -f smb.conf test in the nmbd.conf definition is new
[16:47] <jsmith-argotec> ivoks: you going to be around in about 45 minutes?
[16:48] <jsmith-argotec> pdtpatrick: btw I tried the stop/cleanup and then manually start nmbd with no change
[16:48] <pdtpatrick> jsmith-argotec, looks like ivoks fixed :) Learned something myself.
[16:50] <jsmith-argotec> pdtpatrick: well yes and no... that made it start but didn't fix pacemaker/manual starting of nmbd
[16:50] <pdtpatrick> oh
[16:50] <jsmith-argotec> ivoks: when you asked "while smbd was managed by pmkr" you where referring to when I ran nmbd -d 10 -D right? 'cause that's what I answered
[16:51] <ivoks> jsmith-argotec: yes; it works for me
[16:51] <ivoks> jsmith-argotec: my guess is that starting nmbd is racing with your linking
[16:52] <jsmith-argotec> ivoks: links are up before smbd or nmbd...
[16:52] <ivoks> then it's something else
[16:52] <ivoks> starting smbd and nmbd works for me
[16:52] <ivoks> primitive nmbd upstart:nmbd
[16:52] <ivoks> primitive smbd upstart:smbd
[16:52] <ivoks> clone cloneS smbd
[16:52] <ivoks> clone cloneN nmbd
[16:52] <ivoks> both start
[16:52] <jsmith-argotec> hmm
[16:53] <hallyn> Daviey: thanks, we should be all set (I asked Michelle for help yesterday)
[16:53] <jsmith-argotec> thanks for testing.... I have to go to a meeting but when I get out I'll pick up where I left off
[16:54] <hallyn> Daviey: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20363/servercloud-q-lxc/ is rescheduled and should be (i hope) locked to the 9am friday spot
[16:58] <ivoks> jsmith-argotec: works as a group too
[16:59] <jsmith-argotec> ivoks: tested starting smbd and nmbd manually on that node without any pcmkr and worked fine... grrrr :-)
[16:59] <jsmith-argotec> ivoks: I gotta run - be back in 30 or so
[17:03] <roaksoax> Daviey: ping?
[17:15] <some1_2> Hi, trying to install 10.04 64bit as a guest on a Xen (XCP 1.1) host, but during install the guest doesn't receive DHCP. The vif seems to be assigned to xenbr0 correctly (and xenbr0 is associated with eth0, which is the only network device). Any ideas what I might try?
[18:03]  * jkyle is at the cloud summit
[18:04] <jkyle> some cool talks
[18:27] <CowBoyVV> hello..
[18:27] <CowBoyVV> this place help me with my ubuntu server?
[18:28] <Pici> Yes.
[18:28] <CowBoyVV> hello everyone..hi Pici..
[18:28] <CowBoyVV> I am new to this ubuntu server..
[18:28] <CowBoyVV> I need to learn from very begginning..
[18:28] <CowBoyVV> help me at much as you can...
[18:29] <bluefrog_> CowBoyVV, http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/
[18:29] <CowBoyVV> I need to set up my website...where I can access all the features of ubuntu server...how to set up ...
[18:29] <CowBoyVV> like chatroom
[18:29] <CowBoyVV> like security network
[18:30] <CowBoyVV> thanx bluefrog..I check it out
[18:30] <CowBoyVV> yes..
[18:33] <CowBoyVV> I do all of that already..but I need more how to set up from my own website
[18:36] <iggi> I'm having a very odd error. After reboot one of my virtual machine hosts no longer responds to ping (IP or hostname) and SSH connections. The virtual machines it is running are accessible, the router sees it's entry in the ARP table (even the router can't ping it though). I've turned off ufw and flushed iptables rules, but it's still not accessible, any ideas?
[18:39] <iggi> I've also checked netstat and it is listening for SSH connections
[18:40] <bobweaver> Hello there I am making a package for ubuntu server and the upsource code was real bad re-righting apache ect I have now re-wrote the files and what too see if there is a better way to write this into the package. the bug is located here https://bugs.launchpad.net/zpanelcp/+bug/996282   Code is located here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/zpanelcp/zpanelcp/files/head:/etc/zpanel/configs/apache/      I will be trying too
[18:40] <bobweaver> push to /var/www/ and make avilble during build but I do not know the steps too link sites-enabled How too link ? any tutorial would be great thanks for your time
[18:52] <Captain_Proton> Need some help I upgrade my 10.04 server to 12.04 running postfix + dovecot w/managesieve now none of the filter work watching the logs it looks like it getting passed to lda which dumps it right in the Inbox
[18:56] <bobweaver> I am making a package for ubuntu server and the upsource code was real bad re-righting apache ect I have now re-wrote the files and what too see if there is a better way to write this into the package. the bug is located here https://bugs.launchpad.net/zpanelcp/+bug/996282   Code is located here http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/zpanelcp/zpanelcp/files/head:/etc/zpanel/configs/apache/      I will be trying too
[18:56] <bobweaver>  push to /var/www/ and make avilble during build but I do not know the steps too link sites-enabled How too link ? any tutorial would be great thanks for your time
[18:56] <bobweaver> sorry wrong channel
[19:00] <Captain_Proton> nm I found the problem Thanks anyway
[19:00] <terinjokes> anyone have suggestions for how to upgrade to 12.04 on an OpenVZ host correctly?
[19:00] <terinjokes> I read this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/125742/upgrade-to-ubuntu-server-12-04-brings-error-glibc-not-found
[19:01] <terinjokes> I haven't started the upgrade, but I also don't want to screw everything completely up
[19:01] <terinjokes> do I upgrade, fail, then add the PPA?
[19:02] <terinjokes> i added the ppa here on 11.10, but it gets disabled during the upgrade
[19:02] <Captain_Proton> terinjokes, unless there is a real good reason I would not.
[19:03] <Captain_Proton> terinjokes, most of managed by pearl and you will run into all cans of problem when the perl lib upgrade
[19:04] <Captain_Proton> terinjokes, if you are hell bent on 12.04 start a new vm with 12.04 and move your data
[19:05] <terinjokes> Captain_Proton: well I can't, the provider won't upgrade the kernel
[19:05] <Captain_Proton> terinjokes, will they create a vm with 12.04
[19:07] <terinjokes> Captain_Proton: maybe. would have to install it somewhere else, switch out the libc then package it up
[19:08] <Captain_Proton> terinjokes, if they will not help you move vps providers are cheap and everywhere. Are you running just web apps ie.. Lamp or a custom app
[19:09] <terinjokes> running some lamp stuff, but also some custom stuff
[19:12] <Captain_Proton> I would ask them I do not see why that would not. I have down my whole VPS trying to upgrade it, will not do that again  lol
[20:30] <Zanzacar> I am trying to know when someone is connected to my ftp server,sftp,or ssh but cant figure it out.
[20:30] <Zanzacar> lastlog will output ssh. auth.log might show me who tried to login. anyways i dont know where to go from here.
[21:07] <jsmith-argotec> pdtpatrick: figured out that nmbd startup issue (with lots of help from ivoks) - my smb.conf had warnings when running testparm which resulted in exit 1 on the line checking for NMBD disabled
[21:08] <jsmith-argotec> pdtpatrick: default smb.conf tested fine so it would work fine when it wasn't trying with pacemaker
[21:08] <jsmith-argotec> pdtpatrick: thought you might like to know the final outcome
[22:11] <RichardRaseley> Hello all. I am interested in setting up a test Apache Cassandra box on Ubuntu 12.04 but am having difficulty figuring out how to get Java installed (sun-java6-bin doesn't appear anywhere in the repositories). Can anyone assist with this?
[22:12] <lifeless> juju would be a good way to get cassandra up and runing
[22:12] <lifeless> it can run against lxc on your local machine
[22:14] <RichardRaseley> I am not familiar with LXC
[22:14] <RichardRaseley> I thought JuJu could only run against MaaS and AWS compatible services?
[22:14] <lifeless> http://askubuntu.com/questions/65359/how-do-i-configure-juju-for-local-usage
[22:14] <Firebolt> RichardRaseley, Sun has forced Canonical to remove sun-java6* from the repos
[22:14] <lifeless> thats includes info for oneiric, precise should be similar
[22:15] <lifeless> RichardRaseley: juju has an LXC backend for local development
[22:15] <RichardRaseley> Firebolt: Can you suggest the best way to get it at this time?
[22:15] <Firebolt> There's a ppa for it
[22:16] <RichardRaseley> lifeless: I appreciate your suggestion, but I would like to just run through the standard setup on this particular box (learning experience).
[22:16] <lifeless> RichardRaseley: juju *is* the recommended standard setup, FWIW.
[22:17] <RichardRaseley> lifeless: Recommended by Canonical or the Apache Cassandra project?
[22:17] <lifeless> Ubuntu
[22:17] <Firebolt> RichardRaseley, if you have your heart set on using sun-java6, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ferramroberto/java && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install sun-java6-bin
[22:17] <lifeless> cassandra is extremely hard to package
[22:17] <lifeless> because of intricacies around java local library versions and so forth
[22:17] <RichardRaseley> Firebolt: You say that like I should be using something else?
[22:18] <Firebolt> I don't know if you *should* be using something else
[22:18] <RichardRaseley> lifeless: When you say package, you mean like a .deb? I was going to just download the source from their site.
[22:18] <Firebolt> I said it in such a manner because lifeless has proposed that
[22:19] <RichardRaseley> dddddddddddddAh
[22:19] <RichardRaseley> Ah*
[22:20] <RichardRaseley> lifeless: The LXC method will not work the best for me as I'd like to deploy it across several physical nodes as a test.
[22:20] <lifeless> RichardRaseley: you could use the lxc approach on each node and then hand configure them
[22:21] <lifeless> or you could bring the nodes up via maas, or openstack, and let juju do it all
[22:21] <RichardRaseley> Hmm...
[22:21] <RichardRaseley> If I use MaaS though I have to mess around with the DHCP infrastructure in my environment, correct?
[22:21] <RichardRaseley> That would be a mess (different team)
[22:22] <RichardRaseley> Or can I manually enroll to a MaaS server?
[22:23] <lifeless> you can manually enroll using avahi, though I don't know how much heavy-duty work that that has had
[22:24] <RichardRaseley> I am not familiar with avahi...
[22:25] <RichardRaseley> (Reading Now)
[22:33] <RichardRaseley> Is apt-add-repository not part of 12.04 server?
[22:38] <slide> RichardRaseley, its like in some python utils package
[22:39] <slide> which is really weird lol
[22:39] <RichardRaseley> Yeah, I see that now.
[22:39] <RichardRaseley> Hmph
[22:43] <aboSamoor> how can I setup the default kernel logging level?
[22:47] <ninjai> hey guys... so I ran usermod -a -G group2 user.  When I run groups user, it shows groups: user group2.  When I try to modify files in a folder owned by the user and group (group2:group2), where permissions are set 770, I get permission denied.  What gives?
[23:13] <rockets> Psi-Jack, hey dude. So I've got a server now running with kvm
[23:13] <rockets> eth0 = <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:13] <rockets> virbr0 = <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:14] <rockets> but theres effectively nothing in my /etc/network/interfaces
[23:14] <rockets> any thoughts on "transforming" virbr0 to bridging instead of NAT?
[23:15] <Psi-Jack> rockets: You don't.
[23:15] <Psi-Jack> rockets: You replace eth0 and put that into a bridge, like vmbr0
[23:15] <rockets> Psi-Jack, so how does one get a bridged network so that I can place VMs on my local lan
[23:15] <Psi-Jack> virbr0 is a virtual bridge, not actually attached to a real NIC.
[23:15] <rockets> ok
[23:32] <rockets> Psi-Jack, I have a dual-nic system. Would it be possible to configure my second NIC as the bridged-nic
[23:32] <Psi-Jack> Of course.
[23:32] <Psi-Jack> As long as it'll be the NIC that has the connection you need.
[23:33] <rockets> Psi-Jack, does the ethernet card im bridging to need to have a real IP of its own?
[23:33] <rockets> id rather it didn't
[23:33] <Psi-Jack> No
[23:33] <Psi-Jack> but it has to be connected to something.
[23:34] <rockets> Psi-Jack, of course
[23:34] <rockets> thanks!
[23:37] <rockets> Psi-Jack, the official Ubuntu 12.04 server guide actually has some nice docs on this
[23:38] <Psi-Jack> They actually have 12.04-specific server guides?
[23:39] <rockets> Psi-Jack, https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/serverguide.pdf
[23:39] <rockets> yessir.
[23:39] <rockets> Maybe they only do them for LTS releases?
[23:40] <Psi-Jack> No, they don't..
[23:44] <rockets> Psi-Jack, the above link is a 12.04 specific guide sir,.
[23:47] <jvargas> I need to configure a network interface (eth1) neither in dhcp neither in static mode.
[23:47] <jvargas> I just want it to be always UP but with no IP address configured. How can I do that using /etc/network/interfaces?
[23:47] <rockets> Psi-Jack, would something like this be appropriate? http://pastie.org/3881688
[23:48] <rockets> jvargas, I don't know the answer, but why, out of curiosity?
[23:49] <jvargas> rockets: I have a virtualbox machine that is reserved to use a unique IP in that address because is it a <IP_ADDRESS> netmask.
[23:49] <rockets> jvargas, so?
[23:50] <rockets> so you DO want it to have an address
[23:50] <jvargas> rockets: so, the host must not be configured with an IP, but have the interface UP so that it could be bridged to vbox machine.
[23:50] <jvargas> No, I do not want it to have an address, just to keep UP. I can do it, but manually using ifconfig eth0 up. I wondered how to do it automatically at startup
[23:51] <rockets> jvargas, ifconfig eth0 auto
[23:51] <rockets> wont do dhcp
[23:51] <rockets> or rather
[23:51] <rockets> auto eth1
[23:51] <rockets> but no iface blah blah
[23:51] <rockets> just auth eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces should do it
[23:51] <rockets> it will bring it up but set no address
[23:51] <jvargas> it is in auto mode, but it remains OFF.
[23:51] <rockets> that's odd.
[23:52] <rockets> jvargas, why not just assign it a dummy private IP
[23:52] <rockets> <IP_ADDRESS> or somethign
[23:52] <rockets> no gateway
[23:54] <jvargas> rockets: Will try.
[23:56] <rockets> jvargas, I just tried auto eth1 on my server
[23:56] <rockets> with no IP
[23:56] <rockets> it works
[23:57] <rockets> http://pastie.org/3881723


[08:13] <nigelb> jml: :( you lost the spot on dev week
[08:44] <geser> StevenK: Hi, I tried to upload a package with SFTP to the main archive and got "open failed" (http://paste.ubuntu.com/456269/). Uploading to PPA with sftp worked. Is there an error in my dput config?
[08:59] <wgrant> geser: Shouldn't you be uploading to /ubuntu?
[09:00] <wgrant> Ah, hmm, upload.ubuntu.com FTP doesn't require it.
[09:00] <wgrant> That's odd.
[09:01] <geser> wgrant: I don't know. bigjools told me that it's like the ubuntu stance but with a different method and login
[09:01] <lifeless> whats an upload between friends
[09:20] <StevenK> geser, wgrant: I've not debugged what's going on there, but yes, you need /ubuntu
[09:25] <geser> StevenK: still got an "open failed" error with "incoming = /ubuntu"
[09:26]  * StevenK looks at geser's dput config
[09:27] <wgrant> StevenK: We really should update the default dput.cf to include /ubuntu.
[09:27] <wgrant> Because that's how it should be done.
[09:27] <StevenK> wgrant: Fix it? :-)
[09:30] <StevenK> geser: Just a hunch, try "incoming = ubuntu"
[09:31] <StevenK> But the SFTP server side code ought to strip leading slashes
[09:31] <geser> StevenK: yeah, that worked
[10:30] <hrw> hi
[10:31] <maxb> hi
[10:33] <hrw> if upstream keeps project/code in LP and package is in Ubuntu only then is there a way to have package/bugs page linked to code/bugs? to have just one place for reporting bugs
[11:24] <SeySayux> Hi. My build failed: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/50999786/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.libsylph-class_0.1alpha4-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz . However, it compiles fine over here. What could be the problem?
[11:26] <maxb> /usr/bin/ld: ../deps/binreloc/libbinreloc.a(binreloc.c.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `.rodata.str1.1' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
[11:26] <maxb> SeySayux: ^ The error message hints at the issue
[11:27] <SeySayux> maxb: Yea, I found that line.
[11:27] <bigjools> beat me to it
[11:27] <maxb> This sort of error is architecture dependent - e.g. it's not a problem on i386
[11:27] <SeySayux> So, I should just disable amd64 builds or what?
[11:28] <maxb> However, if you aim to write portable code, it is always a mistake to link non-PIC code into a shared library
[11:28] <tsimpson> as far as I can see, it is compiled with -fPIC
[11:28] <SeySayux> Okay, so I need to make it PIC. Isn't the build system (cmake) supposed to do that for me? I hate messing with CMake's internals...
[11:29] <maxb> tsimpson: The thing not compiled with -fPIC is libbinreloc.a
[11:29] <maxb> SeySayux: right, this is a bug in the upstream project
[11:30] <SeySayux> maxb: I happen to be the developer of the upstream project, so...
[11:30] <maxb> Given the problem is in "deps/binreloc/" I would not be entirely surprised if it was an embedded dependency using a separate buildsystem
[11:30] <tsimpson> ah, yes
[11:31] <SeySayux> maxb: nope, it's just a cmake file invoked with subdir()
[11:31] <maxb> I know nothing about cmake, so I can only speak of generalities
[11:32] <maxb> Generally the ideal thing to do is to build the dependent library as a shared one too
[11:32] <maxb> Or if that's not a viable approach, compile the static library's objects with -fPIC
[11:32] <SeySayux> binreloc requires static linking to function
[11:32] <maxb> static linking to what?
[11:33] <SeySayux> to whatever it's supposed to be linked, in this case the main library
[11:35] <SeySayux> Okay, so I guess the best thing for now is to restrict building to i386 and file a bug report telling that -fPIC should be included. Okay, thank you.
[11:58] <SeySayux> Hi. I deleted my ppa. How long does it take before I can recreate it?
[11:59] <bigjools> you can't re-create the same PPA after it's deleted, there's a small bug that needs fixing
[12:01] <SeySayux> wtf
[12:01] <SeySayux> I can't reupload a package, I can't recreate a ppa, wtf is this thing?
[12:01] <bigjools> a free service?
[12:03] <SeySayux> So, if I get this right, it's 10 times more easier just to get a http host somewhere and put my files on there?
[12:04] <bigjools> Put it like this, I'm happy to help you and explain how to do stuff, but if you starting complaing then you forfeit your help
[12:04] <bigjools> s/starting/start/
[12:04] <SeySayux> Okay, I'm sorry, I'm just very fustrated....
[12:05] <SeySayux> So, if I accidentially upload the wrong package, is there any way to delete it?
[12:05] <bigjools> yes
[12:05] <bigjools> click on "delete packages"
[12:06] <SeySayux> okay, that button is nonexistent over here...
[12:06] <bigjools> which page are you at?
[12:07] <SeySayux> Okay, never mind, I found it
[12:08] <bigjools> bear in mind though that you cannot re-upload the same versions of files again
[12:08] <bigjools> but it's easy to bump versions
[12:09] <SeySayux> How do you mean? E.g. there's a mistake in the file, it failed to build, and now the failed version just stays on there?
[12:11] <bigjools> LP remembers the versions of every file you uploaded and won't allow them to be re-uploaded with different contents than before because it will seriously confuse apt clients
[12:12] <bigjools> so you upload a higher version that builds
[12:12] <bigjools> and the previous version is automatically superseded and removed
[12:12] <spiv> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Deleting has some details.
[12:12] <spiv> (Basically what bigjools just said)
[12:12] <bigjools> yeah, I wrote that page :)
[12:13] <bigjools> well, a lot of it
[12:14] <SeySayux> So, I need to modify the version number?
[12:16] <bigjools> yes
[12:18] <SeySayux> Heh? Why does it put .so files in the -dev package?
[12:21] <SeySayux> okay, let's try this again... I'll keep you in touch if there are any problems...
[12:48] <hartym> Hi.
[12:50] <hartym> Not sure it's the right place to ask, but trying to install launchpad on an up2date lucid, and after having my "rocketfuel-setup" finished as instructed on the wiki, I did run the database setup script and getting stuck with the "make schema command" which complains about zc.buildout distribution not being found (in fact it's while running the buildout bootstrap.py script). The strange stuff (at least for me) is that I can import zc.buildout w
[12:50] <hartym> ithout any problem if I run a standalone python shell. Any idea ? the exact error message is "pkg_resources.DistributionNotFound: zc.buildout"
[13:28] <FC34> does any people payed with cluster filesystem, san and ubuntu ?
[13:28] <FC34> s/payed/played/
[13:30] <jpds> FC34: You might be better off in #ubuntu-server.
[13:30] <FC34> jpds thank you
[18:15] <jcastro> abentley: how's dailies looking? do I need to be ready this week?
[18:30] <abentley> jcastro, we will probably support dailies on edge in the next release.  I need to confirm this with thumper.
[18:32] <jcastro> abentley: target date for that is ... ?
[18:32] <abentley> jcastro, July 6
[18:33]  * jcastro nods
[18:34] <abentley> jcastro, we are delaying our release to reduce conflicts with Ubuntu, or it would be this week.
[18:34] <jcastro> abentley: no worries, I just want to know how much time I have
[19:34] <tormod> what package selection do the buildd chroots for Ubuntu have?
[19:42] <maxb> tormod: You can download the chroot tarball to see for yourself with a command like: wget -O - -q https://edge.launchpad.net/api/devel/ubuntu/lucid/i386/chroot_url | xargs wget
[19:43] <tormod> maxb, thanks I would more like to know what's behind that selection, i.e. what seed
[19:47] <maxb> tormod: lp:~lamont/launchpad-buildd/chroot-scripts may be semi-informative, but I suspect the canonical answer is "Ask lamont"
[19:50] <aalex_laptop> hello
[19:51] <aalex_laptop> Can I build a package on a PPA that depends on some packages which are only found on that same PPA?
[19:51] <getxsick> can i kill a current build? it's broken
[19:51] <micahg> aalex_laptop: yes
[19:51] <maxb> aalex_laptop: Yes. It should just work.
[19:51] <maxb> getxsick: Only by getting someone with admin powers to do it for you
[19:52] <getxsick> anyone with the power? :)
[19:52] <maxb> The help contacts have been scarce of late.
[19:52] <maxb> What's broken about it?
[19:53] <getxsick> i just forgot to update some stuff in the upstream. and my builds take few hours. so you know
[19:56] <tormod> maxb, thanks, been looking over chroot-scripts but no dice
[19:56] <maxb> getxsick: Since there's no help contact on duty, I guess you should just be content that you tried. There's lots of buildds, after all, it's not a big deal
[19:56] <maxb> tormod: Yes, I expect the true answer lives in lamont's head
[19:56] <tormod> if lamont is around, what I really wanted to found out is why they have libdrm (plymouth?)
[19:57] <getxsick> ok
[20:18] <MTecknology> it's 240/yr for a private project, right?
[20:18] <maxb> I recall seeing 250
[20:18] <MTecknology> or that
[20:20] <lifeless> bac: ^
[20:21] <bac> yes, MTecknology it is US$250/year/proj
[20:24] <MTecknology> bac: so if I have a private project and a team that owns it - is it possible to have another user that can read from those branches but not push to them?
[20:24] <lifeless> MTecknology: yes
[20:24] <MTecknology> how do you do that?
[20:25] <MTecknology> just saubscribe that person/team to the branch?
[20:25] <lifeless> yes
[20:26] <MTecknology> thanks
[20:26] <lifeless> we're working on a an acl system separated from subscriptions
[20:26] <lifeless> but its not here yet
[20:26] <MTecknology> my company is getting tir4ed of running code on internal servers
[20:27] <MTecknology> the down time and usability is fine - but LP offers much much nicer usability - and blueprints
[20:29] <MTecknology> Any ideas how much the bugs and other features will cost when they're no longer part of the private project cost?
[20:43] <bac> MTecknology: private bugs and codes have been offered for commercial subscribers for a long time now.  it is guaranteed not to change for the term of the subscription.
[20:44] <bac> MTecknology: i see you have created your project.  let me know if you have questions regarding purchasing the subscription voucher, etc.
[20:44] <MTecknology> bac: oh- it was just written in a way that made it sound like it could change
[20:45] <MTecknology> bac: yup - I was walking through it - I'll be making the money decision today - we're having a meeting over some projects that will involve many sprints
[20:45] <bac> MTecknology: ok, great.
[20:45] <MTecknology> thanks :)
[21:17] <lamont> tormod: while maybe semi-informative, lp:~lamont/launchpad-buildd/chroot-script is definitive, especially with "-d maveric --lp" as arguments
[21:22] <tormod> lamont, hmm IIRC it runs debootstrap but then what? is it defined by debootstrap then?
[21:23] <lamont> it runs debootstrap and then installs some packages
[21:24] <lamont> frankly, I'd have to walk through the script to be more accurate than that
[21:25] <lamont> tormod: it starts with debootstrap --variant=buildd, does some stuff to keep (at least well behaved) daemons from starting, and etc, etc.
[21:26] <tormod> lamont, I guess I was hoping for a higher-level answer, not how the script works
[21:26] <tormod> I see "minbase" in there...
[21:29] <tormod> man debootstrap: 'buildd,  which installs the build-essential packages'
[21:30] <tormod> but it looks like (from build logs) that more than build-essential is installed


[18:08] <m4v> niko, please restore ubotu-fr in #ubuntu-es and -es-ops
[18:08] <m4v> I understand you don't like the current state of #ubuntu-es, but don't feel bothered by it
[18:08] <m4v> just let the bot do its job as a floodbot, which was great, but *don't* assume the responsibility to stop floodings when the bot can't.
[18:09] <m4v> You're only alienating the few people left in -es-ops by removing it.
[18:10] <m4v> niko: thanks a lot
[22:57] <niko> !ubuntumember
[22:57] <niko> !newmember


[10:26] <ikt> jared: have you seen the meeting log page?
[10:34] <jea> ikt: which page is that? loco.ubuntu.org?
[10:35] <ikt> just checking
[10:36] <ikt> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-au/meetings/history/
[10:36] <ikt> brilliant
[10:40] <jea> It has recently been upgraded
[10:40] <jea> much nicer looking
[18:30] <jared> ikt & jea I think the whole revamp of loco.u.c has been a good thing. I believe it looks a lot better and there is work slowly underway to make more features available as well.
[18:32] <jared> jea: do you know anywhere good to hang out on a Saturday afternoon? Thinking a similar time to Sydney's party might be a goer, I just have no idea about venues as I never go out anywhere (no time!).
[23:07] <jea> jared: I am much the same. This weekend I have 3 assignments to do, including a group meeting that has been scheduled for saturday afternoon
[23:07] <jea> so that sort of puts me out for that time


[01:39] <Bashing-om> UWN: Opening 834 shortly for the day's updates.
[01:41] <guiverc> ack..  (I have opened a new mousepad & started summaries.. )
[01:42] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I can wait to add - plenty of other things I can do in that time :P
[01:43] <guiverc> nah you go ahead.. whilst I've got everyting ready my side to start.. I get distracted & thus often 'pause' .. so doing offline is fine by me...
[01:51] <guiverc> heading of Xz/liblzma security update (post #2)  needs a tweak  (if you'd not already noticed)
[01:53] <Bashing-om> guiverc: K adding - will see what I missed in the XZ headinbg.
[02:04] <Bashing-om> saved updates and out.
[02:05] <guiverc> thanks (noted a window here 'adjust/redraw' & suspected as such)... I'll paste six summaries shortly
[02:06] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Bloggo is sparse so far - nothing to report :(
[02:06] <guiverc> summary wise I'm still in hub... haven't gotten that far down yet
[02:14]  * guiverc out
[02:24] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Canonical joins ELISA @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-joins-elisa
[02:24] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Alan Pope: SAP Upgrade: The Sound of Silence @ https://popey.com/blog/2024/04/sap-upgrade-the-sound-of-silence/
[02:24] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Meet our Federal team at NLIT 2024 @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/meet-our-federal-team-at-nlit-2024
[02:54] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Andrea Corbellini: Running the operating system that you're currently using in a virtual machine (with Secure Boot and TPM emulation) @ https://andrea.corbellini.name/2023/11/19/running-current-os-inside-vm/
[03:02]  * guiverc going to paste some more summaries
[03:05]  * guiverc still incapable of typing LXD without an E :(
[03:06]  * guiverc out
[03:10] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Commiserate - muscle memory not always a good thing :P
[03:36]  * guiverc pasting some more
[03:40]  * guiverc out
[09:28] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::portugal:: E293 a Microsoft Salvou O Linux @ https://podcastubuntuportugal.org/e293/


[01:40] <JanC> logan0405: did you file bug reports?
[02:54] <logan0405> JanC: not yet, been a bit busy
[02:55] <logan0405> I am going to check if they've already been filed but I found a lot of bugs in the autohide
[02:56] <logan0405> it's pretty simple stuff so I'm just going to see if I can compile unity and fix myself.. I don't really understand the bzr thing I've only used git
[02:59] <logan0405> just wanted someone to talk to as I've never worked on this sort of thing
[03:02] <JanC> there is a git plugin that allows git to talk to remote bzr repositories (but I'm not sure how well it works)
[03:02] <JanC> https://github.com/felipec/git-remote-bzr
[03:02] <JanC> also available from the Ubuntu package repositories
[03:03] <logan0405> do you think you could check if you also run into the bug? want to make sure I'm not just being dumb
[03:03] <logan0405> turn autohide on, reveal left side
[03:04] <logan0405> then act as if you had it on the setting 'reveal top left corner' and push your mouse to the left in the top left corner
[03:04] <logan0405> and do it a bunch then autohide breaks until you press alt tab
[03:06] <JanC> doesn't break for me right now
[03:06] <logan0405> it did for me on multiple pcs
[03:06] <JanC> on Ubuntu 16.10
[03:06] <logan0405> same
[03:06] <logan0405> unity --version ?
[03:07] <logan0405> im on 7.5
[03:07] <JanC> 7.5.0
[03:07] <logan0405> same. you sure? you have to do it a few times
[03:07] <JanC> it might depend on other settings too
[03:07] <logan0405> it happens on all default settings on my other pc
[03:07] <logan0405> im sure it happens. sometimes you have to do it a couple times
[03:08] <logan0405> right next to where the close button is at the highest point, push your mouse into the left side of the screen many times
[03:08] <logan0405> this won't reveal the launcher
[03:08] <logan0405> then when you try to reveal it again from the left side it doesn't work
[03:09] <logan0405> ok
[03:09] <JanC> yeah, tried that, but like I said it can depend on many thing
[03:10] <logan0405> you can't do it at the very top pixel
[03:10] <logan0405> you have to do it a bit under the top pixel
[03:10] <logan0405> then it breaks every time for me
[03:13] <logan0405> its tough to trigger consistently but I've had it happen quite a few times on accident, kind of annoying
[03:13] <logan0405> ill make a vid
[03:17] <JanC> well, I've got to go, but it can still be useful to make clear what you mean in a bug report
[03:17] <logan0405> good idea
[03:48] <logan0405> made a vid for anyone who wants to see how to trigger the bug
[03:48] <logan0405> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVR68ajRm1E
[03:49] <logan0405> got to figure out how to compile unity and not f up my existing unity installation
[15:33] <om26er> mzanetti: with appdrawer, will the Ubuntu Button still bring up scopes or is that supposed to change ?
[15:37] <Saviq> om26er, initially yes
[15:38] <Saviq> Super+a to get app drawer
[15:45] <om26er> Saviq: ok, I do assume that apps scope will be removed in the shortest term, is that right ?
[15:45] <Saviq> om26er, when we have a store replacing it, yes
[15:46] <Saviq> because app drawer does not give you a way to install apps