[16:28] <gnarlsmarkley> is it possible to copy the wireless drivers from a live usb to an installation?  I can't seem to get the wireless drivers working on the install, just live usb.  I am using macbook air.  The same process fails when tried on the installed os
[16:29] <gnarlsmarkley> tried apt-get install dkms but get errors
[16:30] <gnarlsmarkley> then tried sudo dpkg -i (name of file)
[16:31] <gnarlsmarkley> anyways can anyone help or point me in the right direction?
[17:22] <charlie_sanders> Hi all, how can I permanetly set my displays how I have them at this moment ?  I upgraded to 14.04 and lost whatever I did last time to make my Displays persist across sessions
[21:03] <pdo_fn14> Anyone know to clean run box (alt-f2) in gnome?.


[17:09] <mhall119> FYI, I've pushed a new branch (and created a new series) for a django theme that looks like developer.u.c: lp:~ubuntu-community-webthemes/ubuntu-community-webthemes/developer-django-theme


[00:04] <rbasak> My Wayland session crashes occasionally on Artful. Once it was when I pressed Ctrl-Shift-C in the Terminal. Just now it was on resume. I have no idea where in the stack to start or file a bug. Are these bugs known already?
[00:05] <rbasak> XPS 9360.
[00:21] <sarnold> rbasak: I'm 90% sure I've seen someone report something similar in the last month or two but can't find the thing again :(
[00:21] <sarnold> rbasak: check your virtual terminals too, there might be passwords or similar on them
[00:45] <rbasak> sarnold: I know nacc[not here] had mentioned something similar to me. I don't know if he knows of an actual bug filed.
[00:45] <rbasak> sarnold: thanks for the VT note. I did have random text there which looked like it arrived from keyboard entry. I have rebooted now though.
[00:45] <sarnold> rbasak: :(
[00:45] <rbasak> (took the opportunity to jump to the current kernel and check reboot etc)
[00:46] <sarnold> rbasak: so working theory I heard was that the ^C in a terminal was 'passed through' to the virtual console and interpreted as a request to kill wayland
[00:47] <rbasak> That would be consistent with other keyboard entry arriving on the VT
[00:47] <sarnold> rbasak: in which case the killing is almost accidental or similar; the key strokes ought have no influence at all on the VT behind the scenes..
[00:47] <rbasak> I wonder if it's related to some problem after suspend/resume cycles.
[00:47] <rbasak> Perhaps a race on grabbing the keyboard on resume or something.
[00:48] <rbasak> This laptop is suspended frequently
[06:19] <c-lobrano> Trevinho: alright, I'll have a look at it ASAP
[06:20] <c-lobrano> Thanks for the hints :)
[09:52] <immu> where can i get the RC release ISO?
[14:57] <Tribaal> Hi all. I'm (trying to) install from a daily artful image and it seems like 4.13.0-16-generic does not manage to boot on my nvidia machine (some nouveau errors get printed on screen). I installed from a previous daily and as long as I boot with 4.12.0-12, it seems to work.
[14:58] <Tribaal> note that it's before I get prompted for my FDE password
[15:14] <Tribaal> well, the very latest livecd doesn't boot with the same error on this particular hardware


[13:47] <Introoter> who uses this anymore!?
[16:43] <AnrDaemon> Introoter: Me.
[16:43] <Introoter> are you fine with it?
[16:44] <AnrDaemon> It works. And don't unnecessarily wrapping itself in less, and don't try to pretend it knows better what's good for my system.


[00:18] <gryman> Anyone know how often launchpad updates the bzr data?
[00:21] <Muscovy> The revision list?
[00:22] <gryman> yeah
[00:22] <gryman> Trying to make sure I'm adding to the right place, but my commits don't show up
[00:23] <Muscovy> Only a minute or two.
[00:23] <Muscovy> Where did you push to?
[00:24] <gryman> I never did a push, just commits
[00:26] <Muscovy> pushing is the actual upload.
[00:27] <gryman> I see, what does commit do?
[00:27] <Omega> Uh
[00:27] <Omega> ohai
[00:29] <gryman> Or perhaps more importantly, is there anything I need to do before a push to make sure I won't wipe out some other changes?
[00:30] <Muscovy> Nope.
[00:30] <gryman> bzr push lp:ubuntu-tour, right?
[00:30] <gryman> I'm just working on content
[00:30] <Muscovy> Yes.
[00:30] <gryman> ok
[00:31] <gryman> bzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged.  See "bzr help diverged-branches" for more information.
[00:31] <Muscovy> Run bzr merge.
[00:35] <gryman> ugh
[00:35] <Omega> We should get a bot soon.
[00:37] <AndrewMC> Omega: may i PM you?
[00:37] <Omega> Yes you may, sir.
[00:55] <Muscovy> gryman: Did it work ok?
[00:56] <gryman> Yeah, I ended up pulling down a new branch and then moving my changes over
[00:56] <gryman> Mine was a bit out of date
[00:56] <Muscovy> brz merge will do that automatically.
[00:57] <gryman> There was conflicts
[00:57] <Muscovy> Ah.
[00:57] <gryman> Someone made ubuntu-one and I still have ubuntuone, etc
[00:57] <gryman> Now it's all current
[00:58] <Muscovy> My fault for that one I fear. :P
[00:58] <gryman> hehe
[00:58] <MadnessRed> i made ubuntu-one, sorry, someone asked for it to be changed
[01:12] <Muscovy> For some reason, only page 1 of Ubuntu One is being displayed on the main branch.
[01:13] <gryman> Did you try going back and then next?
[01:14] <gryman> Or go back twice
[01:14] <Muscovy> Just topic select, then next.
[01:14] <gryman> Might be because there's no page 0
[01:14] <gryman> actually there is
[01:15] <Muscovy> Yeah.
[01:15] <gryman> Looks like it's starting on page 1 and not 0
[01:15] <Muscovy> It's starting on 0 for me.
[01:16] <Muscovy> Um.
[01:17] <gryman> Looks like it calls 0 1
[01:17] <gryman> and when you hit next it goes to 2, which isn't there
[01:17] <gryman> and when you go back it goes to 1, but it calls the real 1
[01:18] <Muscovy> Inserting a 2 shows the 2.
[01:19] <gryman> Here's what I see
[01:19] <gryman> ubuntu one
[01:19] <gryman> 0
[01:19] <gryman> change section
[01:19] <gryman> Could not find  en_US using en
[01:19] <gryman> 1
[01:19] <gryman> next
[01:19] <gryman> 1
[01:19] <gryman> get_next
[01:19] <gryman> Could not find  en_US using en
[01:19] <gryman> 2
[01:19] <gryman> back
[01:19] <gryman> 2
[01:19] <gryman> get_next
[01:19] <gryman> Could not find  en_US using en
[01:19] <gryman> 1
[01:19] <Muscovy> I'm not too worried, since that is the old code anyways.
[01:21] <gryman> They all do that
[01:22] <gryman> You have to click back first once on a new section
[01:22] <MadnessRed> odd, do you have the newest code
[01:22] <MadnessRed> because the newest code doesn't output text to start with unless you set debug to 1
[01:24] <Muscovy> MadnessRed, we're talking about the main branch, not the code one.
[01:25] <MadnessRed> ok
[01:25] <MadnessRed> then I wouldn't worry about errors in the code there, a lot has changed
[01:59] <celsojunior> hi
[02:01] <mast`> hello
[02:15] <Muscovy> I can't seem to add images to the tour.
[02:35] <fieldse> greetings. Do we have any senior project members here?
[02:35] <fieldse> Senior-ish?
[02:57] <fieldse> muscovy, popey - when you get back, are either of you two project leaders for this?
[02:57] <laurent_> What is the default maverick icon theme?
[02:57] <fieldse> I've set up a wiki page for the volunteers list, when someone with authority to do so comes around, I'd like to get approval for it.
[02:57] <fieldse> laurent_, hi.
[02:57] <laurent_> hi
[02:57] <fieldse> IDK, let me check and see what I've got
[02:58] <laurent_> is it humanity
[02:58] <laurent_> My system is an upgrade not a fresh install and I have been using Faenza as the default icon set since it came out
[03:01] <fieldse> Ack, just realized I'm on my Karmic system.
[03:01] <fieldse> I think it's humanity
[03:01] <fieldse> My Maverick system is down for repair, since I was banging on it to get the cpu fan unstuck. =/
[03:02] <fieldse> laurent_, Mine also upgrade and not install - I was wondering about this, does it not change default themes, etc when you do this?
[03:02] <laurent_> Also is there a way to pass variables from the python script in to the HTML of the documents
[03:02] <laurent_> I'm adding icons to the firefox tour
[03:02] <laurent_> showing the back buttons etc.
[03:02] <fieldse> That, I do not know. I just started learning python literally yesterday.
[03:02] <fieldse> Cool!
[03:02] <laurent_> ideally I would use the python gettheme.py thing to send the paths
[03:03] <fieldse> This reads the GNOME theme config and sends back the results?
[03:04] <Muscovy> fieldse: I'm one of the leaders.
[03:04] <fieldse> laurent_, http://www.webupd8.org/2010/08/humanity-icon-theme-update-comes-in.html
[03:04] <Muscovy> Do you actually need administrative permission, or are you just asking?
[03:04] <fieldse> ^ on "humanity" theme
[03:05] <fieldse> Hey, muscovy - I am just asking to  get it a look-over and approval to start directing people to this list to sign up.
[03:05] <Muscovy> URL please?
[03:06] <fieldse> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour/Volunteers
[03:06] <Muscovy> laurent_: Not sure what you're doing, but do you need the icons? We were probably going to use screenshots.
[03:07] <laurent_> For the firefox page in code-development it explicitly labels the back forward reload buttons
[03:07] <laurent_> I was linking in the icon
[03:07] <laurent_> reinforces the message
[03:10] <Muscovy> Ok.
[03:11] <Muscovy> fieldse: Looks good. :D
[03:11] <Muscovy> I'll throw some links to the wiki on the main site after school tomorrow.
[03:12] <fieldse> Awesome. I would like to make a clearer way for someone to sign up for specific task from the to-do list but I don't want to clutter it up. I figure that as long as the volunteers start piling up on the list, then "project sector leaders" can send out a shout to their entire team list when they're ready to delegate.
[03:12] <Omega> same here
[03:12] <fieldse> Thanks!
[03:12] <Omega> sleepy time!
[03:13] <fieldse> Ho-kay, good night omega , thanks muscovy - I'll start emailing members from the list archive to sign up
[03:13] <fieldse> peace
[03:25] <gryman> Looks like the wiki is having login issues
[04:08] <kuroq> keyerror in tour.py
[04:08] <kuroq> http://paste.ubuntu.com/492880/
[04:09] <fieldse> greetings.
[04:09] <aksharpatel47> Getting unknowntimezoneerror while logging onto the ubuntu-tour wiki
[04:09] <fieldse> No login issues, I was just editing.
[04:09] <fieldse> Try again
[04:09] <fieldse> There's already been 4 signups at the volunteers list, so it was probably just locked.
[04:10] <aksharpatel47> It says its a bug
[04:10] <aksharpatel47> and tells me to report the bug to moinmoin wiki
[04:11] <mast`> I started translating the available text to french, did anybody else sign up for this?
[04:11] <fieldse> Negative, we have no french translation signed up at the list yet.
[04:12] <fieldse> aksharpatel47, it may be a bug but I think it was just locked - Have you tried again?
[04:12] <mast`> good stuff.
[04:12] <fieldse> mast`, =)
[04:12] <aksharpatel47> ya. I'm getting the same bug report. And the same message to report the bug
[04:13] <aksharpatel47> In the bugs list
[04:13] <aksharpatel47> I'm finding a similar bug
[04:13] <fieldse> muscovy, aprilg >> Made minor edits to the wiki mainpage https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour. Let me know if I need to clear these kinds of thing for future purposes.
[04:13] <fieldse> aksharpatel47, send me link to bug?
[04:13] <aksharpatel47> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/UnknownTimeZoneError?highlight=%28unknowntimezoneerror%29
[04:15] <fieldse> Oy, sorry. Well, are you just trying to sign up?
[04:15] <aksharpatel47> ya
[04:15] <fieldse> If you'll give me the information you want posted, I'll put it up for you.
[04:15] <aksharpatel47> I was trying to sign up for editing as well as a programmer
[04:16] <aksharpatel47> and translator for Indian languages
[04:16] <fieldse> cool.
[04:17] <fieldse> name / email address? and what programming languages / skills?
[04:17] <Muscovy> fieldse: that's perfectly fine, just ask us if you're doing a major overhaul or something. :D
[04:17] <aprilg> fieldse i think minor edits are ok ;)
[04:18] <aksharpatel47> Akshar Patel /<EMAIL_ADDRESS>/ Know Python, Learning GTK / Languages Known : English, Hindi, Gujarati
[04:18] <aprilg> hi all, who else is working on content right now?
[04:18] <Muscovy> Context?
[04:18] <aprilg> content
[04:18] <aprilg> text :)
[04:18] <fieldse> tent
[04:18] <mast`> like camping
[04:18] <fieldse> lol
[04:19] <fieldse> aksharpatel47, okay, thanks. I'll put it up!
[04:19] <aksharpatel47> okay
[04:19] <aksharpatel47> thanks
[04:19] <aksharpatel47> :)
[04:19] <aprilg> Muscovy i'm redoing most of the text right now (converting to html from plain text). where should i push the changes?
[04:19] <fieldse> no prob
[04:19] <mast`> I joined as a member, if I want to start pushing my translations should I give you my info as well?
[04:19] <Muscovy> aprilg: unless it's change in the last hour, lp:~ubuntu-tour/ubuntu-tour/code-development
[04:20] <Muscovy> Though I think soon we should import the new code into the main branch, since it's changed a lot.
[04:20] <aprilg> yeah, we should do that :)
[04:20] <aprilg> i like how the tour's looking so far
[04:21] <Muscovy> I'll feel safer if MadnessRed or one of the coders give the go-ahead there.
[04:21] <Muscovy> Me too. ;D
[04:21] <mast`> I translated about half of the available text into french so far
[04:21] <mast`> I'd like to also program though
[04:23] <aprilg> mast` you can go ahead and contribute to the code
[04:23] <laurent_> Does anyone know if there is a way to use py variables in the HTML?
[04:23] <laurent_> Currently it looks like it's being done the other way around
[04:23] <Muscovy> fieldse, aprilg, I'm not sure who wrote it, but the wiki page specifies lp:~ubuntu-tour/ubuntu-tour/code-development. As far as I know, that's the coding branch, with writing/translations going in lp:ubuntu-tour.
[04:24] <laurent_> The HTML contain {{var}} which is then parsed by tour.py
[04:24] <laurent_> but that means it's going to require separate parsing for every instance
[04:25] <laurent_> Muscovy, currently the lp:ubuntu-tour doesn't have the webkit stuff though
[04:25] <laurent_> so you can't see how your changes look in the program if you're doing HTML
[04:25] <Muscovy> Hmm, I think I'll bring the devcode into the main then.
[04:25] <Muscovy> It's been a few hours since it's had a fatal bug.
[04:26] <laurent_> the code-dev is working fine for me
[04:26] <Muscovy> And I don't fancy merging between two parallel branches.
[04:26] <fieldse> muscovy, what should wiki page link to instead?
[04:26] <laurent_> Both
[04:26] <laurent_> :P
[04:26] <Muscovy> Or perhaps perpendicular branches. :|
[04:26] <Muscovy> Both.
[04:26] <Muscovy> Specify code and writing.
[04:26] <Muscovy> I'll put the new code into the main branch right now.
[04:27] <fieldse> Hokay. So, "contribute code at lp:..../code-development. Contribute writing at lp:ubuntu-tour."
[04:27] <Muscovy> Yep.
[04:27] <fieldse> aite, done
[04:28] <Muscovy> Thanks.
[04:28] <laurent_> If a voice over is used with the tour, would it be an electronic voice?
[04:29] <laurent_> or would someone with a nice voice do it?
[04:29] <aprilg> i'd prefer someone with a nice voice :D
[04:29] <laurent_> Who has a nice voice
[04:29] <laurent_> in the trans-atlantic accent lol
[04:29] <Muscovy> Mark Shuttleworth?
[04:29] <aprilg> hahaha
[04:29] <laurent_> If that was actually possible it would be amazing
[04:29] <Muscovy> Yeah.
[04:30] <fieldse> Maybe we can get Jono Bacon to do it.  ;D
[04:30] <Muscovy> Well let's get to UDS-O and convince him. XD
[04:31] <gryman> Man, I leave for 30 mins and the channel comes alive
[04:31] <fieldse> I'd vote for James Earl Jones, it would give it that nice dramatic pitch.
[04:32] <mast`> Ubuntu, is the father... of all operating systems
[04:32] <Muscovy> Morgan Freeman.
[04:32] <laurent_> Daniel Day Lewis lol
[04:33] <laurent_> The Ubuntu Milkshake tour
[04:33] <Muscovy> Well somebody made an edit during my 30 seconds of local merging. :|
[04:35] <gryman> Morgan Freeman for sure
[04:35] <aprilg> Muscovy i think that was me hrhrhr
[04:35] <aprilg> just pushed a few minutes ago
[04:35] <Muscovy> It's up now.
[04:35] <Muscovy> Everyone, update your lp:ubuntu-tour's.
[04:35] <Muscovy> And scream if something crashes.
[04:36]  * Takyoji screams and jumps out the window
[04:36] <Muscovy> Thanks to whoever put in the icons.
[04:36] <Muscovy> OH GOD WHATS WRONG?
[04:37] <Takyoji> Nothing. :P
[04:37] <fieldse> Damn that Freeman!
[04:37] <laurent_> So you do like it?
[04:37] <laurent_> wrong?
[04:37]  * Takyoji checks out the repository.
[04:38] <gryman> What's the bzr command to update my local copy?
[04:38] <aprilg> bzr pull
[04:38] <gryman> aight
[04:38] <laurent_> bzr pull lp:ubuntu-tour
[04:38] <fieldse> Oh yeah, so now that I've done all this wiki-fying, I guess I need to ... actually see what the project looks like. =/
[04:38] <Muscovy> Is it pull or update?
[04:38] <gryman> update doesn't do anything
[04:38] <brandonj> pull
[04:38] <Muscovy> I listed update on the site.
[04:38] <Muscovy> Oh dear.
[04:38] <Muscovy> Fixing...
[04:38] <gryman> All update does is tell me I'm current, when I know I'm not
[04:40] <laurent_> All the <p> for every paragraph are kind of unnecessary
[04:40] <laurent_> tour.py converts all \n to <br />
[04:40] <aprilg> ah.. i get all the space now
[04:40] <aprilg> ok. changing. will push updates back in a bit
[04:41] <Muscovy> While I'm on the site, any particular edits or wikilinks I should make?
[04:43] <aprilg> maybe we can update the branch guide?
[04:43] <aprilg> include the code-dev branch there
[04:43] <Muscovy> Sure.
[04:44] <gryman> aprilg, are you removing some of that white space now?
[04:45] <gryman> Is there going to be a way to weight the categories?
[04:46] <mast`> maybe I should slow down on french translations and wait for the entire english edits are in
[04:46] <laurent_> I think in the bazaar help I noticed some changes that needed to be made
[04:46] <laurent_> but I think it relates to the split between the code-dev and the main
[04:47] <Muscovy> mast`: that would be more efficient.
[04:47] <laurent_> yeah upload your work doesn't include both
[04:47] <laurent_> but I suppose most of the coders aren't going to need that
[04:50] <aprilg> gryman yep
[04:50] <gryman> So, I did a pull, changed a typo, did a commit, then went to push, and somehow I ended up with uncommited changes?
[04:51] <gryman> Oh, and there was a merge in there somewhere
[04:51] <Muscovy> The icons in FIrefox and Places menu don't detect from user's settings.
[04:52] <Muscovy> In my case, the Firefox ones don't even show, because my Humanity folder has been mostly dismantled.
[04:52] <aprilg> hmm, can anyone help me with this 'branches have diverged' error?
[04:53] <gryman> bzr merge
[04:53] <aprilg> ok. thanks!
[04:54] <laurent_> remember everyone when starting a new directory the files start at 0 not 1
[04:54] <laurent_> Muscovy, humanity is the default theme no?
[04:54] <laurent_> This is why I was asking about the variables though
[04:55] <laurent_> I guess I'll need to access gconf there or something to make sure it detects the correct icons
[04:55] <Muscovy> I just tinker oddly.
[04:55] <Muscovy> But yeah, that would be best.
[05:03] <mast`> Would there be a bit more info on the use of DBus to track the process of the tour?
[05:04] <laurent_> it will need to use dbus eventually
[05:04] <laurent_> especially if it wants auto progression
[05:04] <Muscovy> We discussed this in the planning phase.
[05:04] <Muscovy> The problem with DBus is we'll need to do a LOT of patching.
[05:04] <mast`> stuff like, if the user is on the open office tour the app will wait for the user to create a new document him/herself become continuing ?
[05:04] <Muscovy> For 90% of what we want, there's a bash command, I'll grab it.
[05:05] <mast`> become = before*
[05:05] <Muscovy> pgrep firefox | xargs ps
[05:06] <Muscovy> We can use that to determine running processes, which works in a lot of places.
[05:08] <gryman> ugh, did I delete the network files?
[05:08] <Muscovy> Branch?
[05:09] <Muscovy> Yep.
[05:09] <Muscovy> I'll get it back.
[05:09] <gryman> That doesn't make any sense
[05:09] <Muscovy> My disjointed speech?
[05:09] <gryman> I think laurent renamed them, as did I
[05:09] <gryman> No, that they're missing
[05:09] <gryman> or deleted
[05:11] <Muscovy> They seem to have been missing for a while.
[05:11] <laurent_> aprilg did you intend to overwrite the changes I made to 4_places?
[05:11] <laurent_> I renamed the networking files
[05:11] <gryman> Muscovy: I see laurent renamed them to start at 0 14 minutes ago, so they can't be missing that long
[05:11] <Muscovy> Did you run bzr add afterwards?
[05:11] <laurent_> but I think the latest revision may have had a weird merge
[05:12] <Muscovy> Whoops, my bad, pulling the wrong revisions.
[05:12] <gryman> Do you have to add? I thought you just did a bzr mv file1 file2
[05:12] <aprilg> crap. laurent_ no. waaa :( did i?
[05:12] <Muscovy> They're in 59.
[05:12] <Muscovy> I'm heading to bed, talk to you guys tomorrow.
[05:12] <gryman> heh
[05:12] <gryman> night
[05:13] <aprilg> laurent_ sorry about that ..
[05:14] <laurent_> all good
[05:14] <gryman> laurent_: So, not sure if you want to add those network files back
[05:14] <gryman> They're missing in 60
[05:14] <gryman> afaik
[05:14] <laurent_> ok I'll make sure they're there in a mo
[05:14] <gryman> alright
[05:15] <gryman> When I wrote them I wasn't thinking about starting with 0, that's my fault
[05:15] <laurent_> all good
[05:15] <laurent_> I'm pushing it now
[05:16] <gryman> There we go, thanks
[05:19] <laurent_> why do workspaces come first in the tour?
[05:20] <gryman> Because the categories don't seem to be weighted or ordered
[05:20] <gryman> Desktop Configuration should come after About Ubuntu
[05:20] <laurent_> yeah it's a bug in the python sorting I guess
[05:20] <laurent_> it goes 1 then 11
[05:21] <gryman> and Networks should probably come before most other internet dependent items
[05:23] <laurent_> yeah
[05:23] <laurent_> I suppose the ordering of the content isn't too important just yet
[05:23] <laurent_> I'll file a bug though
[05:23] <gryman> Maybe prefix the dirs with a number, much like the actual files
[05:27] <laurent_> I don't mean just the directories
[05:27] <laurent_> I mean the actual files inside
[05:27] <laurent_> it will go from 1_... to 11_...
[05:31] <gryman> Oh
[05:31] <gryman> I didn't notice that
[05:31] <gryman> I'm adding more info for shotwell now
[05:32] <aprilg> how do i rename the desktop-configuration folder to desktop-customization ? do i just change it locally then push the changes to the branch?
[05:35] <gryman> No, you'd want to use bzr mv file1 file2
[05:35] <gryman> You think it really needs renaming?
[05:35] <laurent_> it's not important
[05:37] <aprilg> configuration is diff from customizing. most of the topics on there are for customizing the desktop
[05:38] <laurent_> the user isn't going to see that directory
[05:39] <gryman> But you customize through configuring
[05:39] <mast`> Just wondering. The tour will "hold" while the user launches applications, right?
[05:39] <gryman> It's just symantecs
[05:42] <mast`> it could be interesting if the user was reading about open office and the tour paused and said: "to launch open office's word processor go to applications->office->OpenOffice.org Word Processor" then resumed after the user did so
[05:43] <mast`> and checking for opened apps would be incredibly easy
[05:43] <gryman> Do we want to walk them through each of the OOo apps?
[05:43] <gryman> Or just show them where it's at, what it does, and where to get more details information on usage?
[05:44] <mast`> probably not
[05:44] <gryman> That's what I've been doing for the more advanced topics. Briefly mention them, what it can do, and then where to go for more info on that subject
[05:44] <gryman> So they don't feel like you left them hanging
[05:45] <mast`> I see
[05:46] <aprilg> ok :) leaving desktop folder as is
[05:46] <aprilg> gotta go :) be back in a bit
[05:46] <aprilg> thanks guys!
[05:48] <gryman> mast`: Otherwise right now I'd be explaining color curves in Gimp instead of just telling them that they can get more information on usage from http://www.gimp.org/
[05:49] <laurent_> this is a tour
[05:49] <laurent_> overall it shouldn't really last more than 5 minutes
[05:49] <laurent_> it's showing the very basics
[05:50] <laurent_> the most important parts should be that they know how to launch an application, connect to the internet and most of all install software, as unless they own a smart phone, it will be a somewhat unfamiliar technique to new users
[05:50] <mast`> then I don't see the use of DBus / scanning for processes
[05:50] <gryman> Maybe later we could do a normal "starter" tour, and then a "power" tour that has more topics
[05:51] <laurent_> mast if they fail to open an application, how does the tour know?
[05:51] <laurent_> or continue
[05:51] <laurent_> ideally I don't think they should have to click next at all
[05:51] <mast`> it could open it for them on a timer
[05:52] <laurent_> then they haven't learned anything
[05:53] <mast`> laurent_: it should be safe to assume that if the person does the tour they're at least trying to learn
[05:53] <laurent_> true
[05:53] <mast`> I can see that having them launch open office might be pointless
[05:54] <laurent_> yeah, in someways much of the content goes beyond a tour
[05:54] <laurent_> some of it mimics a help guide, which already exists
[05:54] <laurent_> some of it mimics content that is better suited to the Ubuntu manual
[05:54] <mast`> things like opening the main menu though could be nice
[05:55] <laurent_> my personal opinion is that the tour should be concise
[05:55] <laurent_> yeah basically teaching the basic user interface
[05:55] <gryman> Well, I'm adding content, and if it's not needed it can be cut out
[05:55] <laurent_> yeah I've been adding content too
[05:55] <gryman> Better to have too much and remove some then not enough
[05:55] <mast`> laurent_: I agree on the fact that it should be concise, in and out in 5 minutes on average (with people spending more time on it as needed)
[05:55] <laurent_> it's easier to sort a bunch of content than not have enough... exactly
[05:56] <gryman> I still think a "power" option would be neat
[05:56] <laurent_> I also think the text should be minimal... they have just installed, a new user will be a bit overwhelmed
[05:56] <laurent_> a nice soothing encouraging voice
[05:56] <laurent_> to help them
[05:56] <laurent_> with friendly images
[05:56] <laurent_> gently guiding through their new and powerful OS
[05:56] <gryman> I guess we're attracting Windows users then?  :P
[05:57] <laurent_> no, someone who has never used ubuntu before
[05:57] <gryman> Come on, it was a little funny
[05:57] <gryman> :P
[05:57] <laurent_> yeah
[05:57] <mast`> laurent_: especially since some languages might take up more space than english... I know that going through some drafts in french I ended up with translations that were sometimes much longer
[05:57] <laurent_> anyone who has used ubuntu more than a month would probably find a tour pointless no?
[05:58] <gryman> Depends on why they're using it
[05:58] <laurent_> mast precisely, it will make translating easier and faster to keep it concise
[05:58] <laurent_> but then adding audio would require that we find people to do audio translations in every language, which may be even harder
[05:58] <gryman> Someones spouse might use Ubuntu for a while before finding the tour and watching it
[05:59] <gryman> The tour could be useful to schools as well
[05:59] <gryman> Cut down on initial direction
[05:59] <laurent_> very good point
[06:00] <laurent_> for the translations, once everything is stable, launchpad should be used
[06:02] <laurent_> https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/YourProject
[06:02] <gryman> Ok, added shotwell tags, editing, and publishing
[06:03] <gryman> My shotwell has almost 8k photos
[06:03] <gryman> :D
[06:07] <mast`> there should be a list of precise screenshots to be taken so they can start being localized ;)
[06:07] <gryman> Yeah
[06:07] <laurent_> I think there is talk of using open shot
[06:07] <laurent_> or quickshot or what ever it is called
[06:07] <gryman> To do a slideshow?
[06:07] <gryman> Open shot is a video editor
[06:08] <laurent_> the thing they used in ubuntu manual to take all the screens
[06:08] <mast`> quickshot
[06:08] <gryman> greg@moniker:~$ search quickshot
[06:08] <gryman> greg@moniker:~$
[06:09] <mast`> that's the tool they use in ubuntu-manuel
[06:09] <mast`> manual*
[06:09] <laurent_> http://ubuntu-manual.org/quickshot
[06:09] <mast`> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot
[06:09] <mast`> oh, you beat me to it
[06:11] <fieldse> What screenshots are needed?
[06:11] <fieldse> Can we start a list there on the etherpad?
[06:11] <laurent_> who knows just yet
[06:11] <laurent_> or the wiki
[06:11] <fieldse> I was wondering about that - seems like we need to keep the wiki updated from the etherpad, as that's most current, yes?
[06:11] <laurent_> I'd say definitely a screenie of each menu
[06:12] <laurent_> an open networks indicator, while it is disconnected
[06:12] <gryman> A list of SS's would be great
[06:12] <laurent_> the wiki should probably take over from the etherpad now that it exists
[06:12] <fieldse> FWIW, shutter kicks ass for screenshots.
[06:12] <laurent_> though the colouring of etherpad is nice
[06:12] <gryman> Shutter is cool
[06:13] <gryman> I like it
[06:13] <laurent_> a screenshot of the various installation procedures of software centre
[06:13] <fieldse> Agreed, I think that it's better to have it in one location, even if it means losing the coloration. At least the new visitors would be able to see what's up
[06:13] <laurent_> as again, that's one of the most important things for a person who is unfamiliar with linux, esp ubuntu
[06:13] <fieldse> but up to y'all?
[06:13] <mast`> Quickshot is pretty automated though
[06:14] <laurent_> Quickshot would need to be customised for this project
[06:15] <fieldse> Installation procedures, that's good.
[06:15] <fieldse> I'm going to start a ss list on the pad
[06:16] <laurent_> installation?
[06:23] <gryman> Ok, the boss said it's time for bed
[06:24] <gryman> I'll be back tomorrow morning
[06:24] <laurent_> cya
[06:25] <mast`> see ya
[06:27] <mast`> fieldse: are you creating the list of ss on Etherpad?
[06:31] <laurent_> another purpose aside from teaching the newest user how to use ubuntu would be to show an existing user the new features
[06:32] <fieldse> Yes.
[06:33] <fieldse> mast`, ^
[06:33] <laurent_> but then again the ubiquity tour in installation will no doubt do a lot of that too
[06:35] <laurent_> Silasle, there seems to be a bug with the progression of the tour
[06:36] <laurent_> when you open it, the about ubuntu chapter has more than 10 entries
[06:36] <laurent_> I'm consistently having it jump from 1 to 11 then to 2
[06:36] <laurent_> etc.
[06:36] <Silasle> Ok, i check that later today
[06:40] <mast`> fieldse: I can help out with that if you want. Wanna keep the list you have there an add beside each item what the screenshot should be?
[06:40] <mast`> ie. Firefox -> How to launch it (screenshot: application->internet->firefox highlighted)
[06:41] <fieldse> mast` Hey, yes. I would like help with that, cuz I don't know what's needed.
[06:41] <mast`> I'll start from the bottom of the list? :p
[06:41] <fieldse> I've not been keeping up to speed with the writers' chatter, so I don't know exactly what they're working on.
[06:41] <Silasle> laurent_: Also the last page seems to be in some other language.
[06:41] <fieldse> or what they're wanting "highlighted"
[06:42] <laurent_> What last page?
[06:42] <Silasle> In about-ubuntu
[06:42] <laurent_> in code-dev or ubuntu-tour?
[06:42] <Silasle> code-dev
[06:42] <Silasle> Portuguese
[06:43] <laurent_> someone added that to the wrong folder obviously
[06:43] <laurent_> but the language file are being handled in the main
[06:43] <maheshmohan> laurent_ , are you talking to me?
[06:43] <fieldse> mast`, What am I helping with here? Are we just adding (screenshot) to end of each item?
[06:44] <laurent_> in fact it would probably be wise to take out most of the language files from code-dev if that doesn't affect the merges
[06:44] <laurent_> maheshmohan, I was talking to Silasle
[06:45] <maheshmohan> ok. Can you listen to me, to solve my problem, after solving Silasle's ?
[06:45] <laurent_> go ahead
[06:46] <maheshmohan> i fixed a typo in 'about-ubuntu' section. but, when i tried to commit i got 'these branches are diverged' error. What to do?
[06:46] <mast`> fieldse: I thought that was the idea. Have a list of each "article" and add what the screenshot that goes with it should be
[06:46] <Silasle> laurent_: I get the order<PHONE_NUMBER>,10,11,12,(13)
[06:47] <laurent_> you don't get the workspaces as the second slide?
[06:47] <Silasle> No
[06:47] <laurent_> I'm getting that consistently
[06:47] <laurent_> maheshmohan you will need to type the command bzr merge
[06:47] <Silasle> Whit the latest from code-dev?
[06:47] <laurent_> what happened is someone has added a push since you pulled
[06:48] <maheshmohan> ok. I will try
[06:48] <laurent_> we merged the code-dev in to lp:ubuntu-tour earlier
[06:48] <laurent_> so they should pretty much be the same, but yes both
[06:48] <Silasle> Hmm, for me it's ok.
[06:48] <laurent_> Silasle, try clicking off about-ubuntu to another chapter, then return to it and see if that makes it happen
[06:49] <maheshmohan> laurent, I merged, but, I got "nothing to do" as output.
[06:49] <Silasle> No, second is "Ubuntu is a free, open ......"
[06:50] <Silasle> And then panel, aplication menu and so on
[06:50] <laurent_> have you pulled the latest?
[06:50] <laurent_> I'm not even getting ubuntu is a free, open....
[06:51] <maheshmohan> I pulled it 2 hours ago(using bzr branch command)
[06:51] <Silasle>   Yep, latest
[06:52] <laurent_> odd
[06:53] <laurent_> my first slide says "Welcome to ubuntu tour"
[06:53] <mast`> lp:ubuntu-tour doesn't work for me :/
[06:53] <laurent_> The second says "Ubuntu Workspaces"
[06:53] <Silasle> bbl
[06:53] <laurent_> 3 is "The Ubuntu desktop is designed to be efficient and very easy to use."
[06:53] <laurent_> what's the full command you're running mast?
[06:55] <laurent_> ok my 1_what is ubuntu is not showing at all, it's showing the 11_workspaces instead of 1_
[06:55] <laurent_> what's the full command you're running mast`?
[06:56] <mast`> laurent_: just updated with bzr pull
[06:56] <mast`> and running with python ubuntu-tour.py
[07:03] <fieldse> mast`, this is starting to look good. Much more orderly.
[07:04] <mast`> what about the remove a package screenshot?
[07:05] <mast`> either the list of all installed packages, with emphasis on the uninstall button
[07:05] <mast`> or the actual packages window
[07:05] <mast`> package's*
[07:09] <maheshmohan> laurent, I solved my problem. One doubt, can I use this for contribution, or is it dead/ http://openetherpad.org/GUNcK2dx75
[07:10] <laurent_> That or the wiki
[07:11] <laurent_> try use the wiki if you can, it's more accessible
[07:11] <mast`> lp:ubuntu-tour is the working branch right?
[07:11] <fieldse> whew.
[07:11] <laurent_> lp:ubuntu-tour is for the authoring of the text
[07:12] <mast`> it looks pretty good fieldse :)
[07:12] <laurent_> for the code use the code-development branch
[07:12] <mast`> ah, that would explain it
[07:12] <laurent_> then that gets merged back while stable
[07:13] <fieldse> Awesome work, mast`! I'm about done for an evening, I think.
[07:13] <maheshmohan> Can I get the wiki link?
[07:13] <fieldse> Hey maheshmohan :
[07:13] <fieldse> This is the "todo list": https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour/Todo
[07:14] <fieldse> And the volunteers list wiki page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour/Volunteers
[07:14] <fieldse> I move that we copy the etherpad to the wiki and close it out - anyone actively working on it right now?
[07:15] <maheshmohan> fieldse, ok.thanks. I just refrred it to make a page for trash in about-ubuntu section
[07:15] <fieldse> maheshmohan, cool, thanks.
[07:15] <laurent_> What is the correct procedure for dealing with a merge conflict?
[07:16] <fieldse> o_O
[07:30] <mast`> Anyone thought of a way to put emphasis on stuff on screen?
[07:31] <laurent__> huh?
[07:32] <mast`> from the wiki: The app needs to indicate to users on the screen a certain location of interest. We need some way of rendering arrows or boxes on the screen (outside of the main app window) to highlight things.
[07:35] <laurent__> my idea was a low opacity set of concentric circles
[07:35] <laurent__> but I don't think the app has got to that stage
[07:35] <laurent__> It's outside my capabilities
[07:36] <maheshmohan> one unrelated doubt
[07:36] <laurent__> ?
[07:37] <maheshmohan> I can't login to the wiki. I got "UnknownTimeZoneError"
[07:37] <laurent__> someone had that earlier
[07:37] <mast`> I think compiz would be able to do that
[07:38] <maheshmohan> Also, I'm going to create a new file. so, what I have to do? pull, create file, add, commit, merge. am I right?
[07:38] <maheshmohan> is this the order?
[07:38] <laurent__> no merge
[07:38] <laurent__> you push
[07:39] <maheshmohan> ok.thanks
[07:39] <maheshmohan> what is merge for?
[07:39] <laurent__> when your branch and the central branch are out of sync
[07:41] <maheshmohan> ok. waht to do for wiki error?
[07:41] <laurent__> I don't know sorry
[07:42] <laurent__> mast` are you editing the wiki?
[07:42] <laurent__> it's possible only one person can edit the wiki at a time
[07:43] <mast`> laurent__: nop
[07:43] <laurent__> fieldse was it you who had the "UnknownTimeZoneError" in the wiki before?
[07:44] <maheshmohan> how I know, when my revison is accepted by the team?
[07:45] <laurent__> http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/UnknownTimeZoneError?highlight=%28unknowntimezoneerror%29
[07:45] <laurent__> that was the link provided before
[07:47] <maheshmohan> laurent, I cant get you
[07:50] <laurent__> your revisions have been added to bazaar maheshmohan
[07:50] <laurent__> is that what you meant?
[07:50] <maheshmohan> ok. I meant, is it accepted? Because, It is not listed in my launcpad page
[08:02] <laurent__> it takes a while to update everything sometimes
[08:02] <laurent__> but your changes are in the branch
[08:05] <mast`> i'm off for the night, see ya
[08:06] <maheshmohan> thanks laurent. Now I have to find a solution for editing wiki page
[08:15] <laurent__> perhaps try temporarily changing your timezone
[11:24] <aprilg1> fieldse the link to the volunteers list on the main page (in the box for pages) is broken :)
[11:25] <aprilg1> how do i change that?
[11:28] <aprilg> fieldse i meant the wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour
[11:39] <aprilg> figured it out :) fixed the link
[12:36] <fieldse> oh, hi. nice. So you pierced the depths of my wiki prestidigitation, eh?
[12:36] <fieldse> =P
[12:36] <fieldse>  -> switching machines, bbl
[13:35] <GiulioC> hi all
[13:37] <aksharpatel47> hi
[13:46] <GiulioC> I have a problem on updating my local bzr branch from internet...
[13:46] <GiulioC> yesterday i downloaded using bzr branch lp:ubuntu-tour
[13:47] <GiulioC> today trying to update this folder, it shows that it's already at the lastest revision
[13:48] <GiulioC> but it's actually 73, on my pc it's 40
[13:50] <GiulioC> and using bzr update lp:ubuntu-tour i get this error: I have a problem on updating my local bzr branch from internet...
[13:51] <GiulioC> ops sorry
[13:52] <GiulioC> bzr: ERROR No WorkingTree exists for "bzr+shh://bazaar.launchpad.net/%2Bbranch/ubuntu-tour/"
[13:59] <daker> GiulioC, do $ bzr version-info
[13:59] <daker> in your branch folder
[14:01] <GiulioC> mmm, now i have downloaded another branch folder...because I didn't changed anything from yesterday...
[14:02] <daker> or if you still have to old branch just do
[14:02] <daker> $ bzr pull
[14:03] <GiulioC> ok thanks
[14:03] <daker> s/to/the
[14:08] <daker> GiulioC, nop
[14:14] <Omega> Good day guys.
[14:15] <GiulioC> when can we start to translate in other languages?
[14:15] <GiulioC> hi omega
[14:16] <Omega> You can already start.
[14:16] <Omega> You just make the folders for the corresponding language
[14:16] <Omega> and start translating
[14:16] <GiulioC> for italian is "it" or "it_IT"
[14:18] <GiulioC> ?
[14:24] <GiulioC> who wrote shotwell missing sections?
[14:25] <Omega> GiulioC: You need both
[14:25] <Omega> if it cannot find your region it falls back to it
[14:25] <gryman> I don't see a missing section for shotwell
[14:25] <Omega> I don't know how many kinds of italian there are
[14:25] <gryman> I wrote tags, editing, and publish
[14:26] <GiulioC> ah ok I saw...gryman can I modify a bit yours?
[14:26] <GiulioC> :)
[14:26] <gryman> of course
[14:28] <GiulioC> btw I'll use "it" for italian...because it's only speech in Italy...and a bit in Swizerland...but not so much..
[14:29] <gryman> GiulioC: Are you going to add a "missing" section for shotwell?
[14:31] <GiulioC> no, I wrote "missing" because they weren't made by me
[14:38] <gryman> Oh
[14:46] <Silasle> Are we using 639-1 language code standard?
[14:59] <aksharpatel47> do you think we should start a facebook page for Ubuntu
[14:59] <aksharpatel47> Tour project?
[15:04] <mast`> couldn't hurt
[15:06] <aksharpatel47> would be better if it's official though
[15:14] <Omega> We don't need a facebook page per se.
[15:14] <Omega> I don't particularly like facebook.
[15:15] <gryman> Even if they're the bane of your existence, it could generate some interest
[15:15] <gryman> I don't like FB much either, but I do use it to keep in touch with family
[15:15] <mast`> nobody likes facebook :p but it's a good way to reach people when you have something to display
[15:15] <GiulioC> neither do i
[15:16] <Omega> 15/9/01 is the release date of diaspora
[15:17] <GiulioC> Wednesday?
[15:17] <gryman> Did you mean 15/9/10?
[15:18] <Omega> yes
[15:23] <gryman> Never know with different date formats
[15:23] <gryman> Wasn't sure if you meant 9/15/2015
[15:23] <gryman> or something like that
[15:24] <GiulioC> gryman, where are you from?
[15:24] <gryman> US
[15:24] <GiulioC> in Italy we use to write date DD/MM/YEAR
[15:24] <gryman> Yeah, most of Europe does
[15:25] <mast`> we do in Canada as well
[15:26] <gryman> I hate having to use Windows for my class
[16:03] <GiulioC> I have to go
[16:03] <gryman> Bathroom is down the hall
[16:04] <gryman> third door on your left
[16:04] <GiulioC> no thanks I don't need the bathroom
[16:04] <GiulioC> :P
[16:04] <GiulioC> i have to do some homework
[16:04] <gryman> That's what I'm trying to do now
[16:05] <GiulioC> can i update the branch with my modifications?
[16:06] <GiulioC> I started to add some translations in Italian and correct explanations
[16:06] <GiulioC> corrected some explanations*
[16:09] <GiulioC> then?
[16:09] <gryman> yep
[16:09] <GiulioC> ok
[16:12] <GiulioC> ok byez ;)
[16:21] <maheshmohan> Guys, what is the current status? Will it work when I pull the code & run 'python ubuntu-tour.py' file?
[16:21] <gryman> yep
[16:24] <maheshmohan> But, I found it not working
[16:24] <gryman> error?
[16:27] <Omega> Are you using GNOME?
[16:30] <maheshmohan> yes. I am. Error is http://pastebin.com/jGjhDgS1
[16:31] <Omega> Try running the stable branch
[16:34] <maheshmohan> where is it
[16:46] <maheshmohan> Omega, where is the stable branch? From what I know, there are two branches, one for code and another for writing
[16:47] <Omega> lp:~ubuntu-tour
[16:48] <mast`> code-development is for the code and ubuntu-tour for writing
[16:48] <maheshmohan> yes. I pulled from ubuntu-tour
[16:48] <maheshmohan> that code is not working
[16:48] <mast`> I get the same error you do, with both code-dev and ubuntu-tour
[16:52] <maheshmohan> also, can I start translating chapters now, or I have to wait for the project to finish?
[16:55] <mast`> maheshmohan: I remember seeing someone say that translations should wait until the english versions are final
[16:56] <maheshmohan> ok. But, somw guy commited italian translation just now. Thats why I asked
[16:57] <mast`> maheshmohan: yeah I know I also started working on the french stuff, but I don't think I'll push anything quite yet
[16:58] <maheshmohan> But, I think, the first chapter, 'about-ubuntu' is quite mature to start translating
[17:10] <gryman> They were saying they would use launchpad for translations once the main content was set
[17:52] <ayortano> Hello
[17:52] <Silasle> Hi ayortano
[17:54] <ayortano> To be precise, I really want to help as translator and editor.
[17:55] <Silasle> ayortano: Check this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour/ under "How to Volunteer and Contribute"
[18:01] <ayortano> Thanks Silasle
[18:05] <kuro__> will this only be "ubuntu-tour", or is there also going to be a "kubuntu-tour"
[18:08] <ayortano> I add my name to the page in the wiki?
[18:08] <kuro__> yes
[18:08] <Silasle> ayortano: Yes
[18:09] <ayortano> Ok
[18:14] <ayortano> Is ok
[18:14] <ayortano> Im Federico Leite
[18:48] <MadnessRed> hm, I think we need a getting started tour
[18:48] <MadnessRed> the current one, when you start give you trash
[18:50] <MadnessRed> Also how about we move the menu to inside the html interface
[19:28] <MadnessRed> hi a;;
[19:29] <MadnessRed> a;; => all
[19:41] <aksharpatel47> hi
[19:43] <MadnessRed> any new updates?
[19:43] <aksharpatel47> nothing on the mailing list
[19:43] <Silasle> MadnessRed: http://pastebin.com/jGjhDgS1
[19:44] <aksharpatel47> Lots of people joining the project as can be seen on ubuntu wiki
[19:44] <aksharpatel47> what's in the link?
[19:44] <MadnessRed> a problem
[19:44] <Silasle> an bug report
[19:44] <MadnessRed> need to talk to the owner of the problem though
[19:45] <Silasle> It's maheshmohan
[19:45] <MadnessRed> Also Silasle, here is a quick ui mockup, what do you think?
[19:45] <MadnessRed> http://paste.ubuntu.com/493246/
[19:45] <MadnessRed> Ignore the spelling of Previous
[19:46] <Silasle> First comment, use http://www.balsamiq.com/products/mockups# for mockups :P
[19:47] <MadnessRed> ok, ignoring that
[19:47] <Silasle> Second comment, progress bar beside the buttons
[19:47] <MadnessRed> ok
[19:47] <Silasle> *Back next buttons
[19:47] <MadnessRed> yh
[19:48] <MadnessRed> but the left menu?
[19:48] <Silasle> At least better then it's now.
[19:49] <MadnessRed> Also, I am going to work on our bug report :)
[19:49] <MadnessRed> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-tour/+bug/636823
[19:50] <Silasle> And you have moved the get colors part to get_theme.py ?
[19:50] <Silasle> Ah, that one.
[19:51] <Silasle> What's whit that annoying scrollbar?
[19:53] <Silasle> I am going to test how it looks whit treeview
[19:56] <MadnessRed> ok
[19:56] <MadnessRed> don't commit though
[19:57] <MadnessRed> also what urls should be handled internally, and what ones externally
[19:57] <MadnessRed> should I just say, all file:// should be handled by us, and anything else should be passed to the default browser?
[19:57] <Silasle> Everything created by us internaly
[19:58] <Silasle> That you wrote!
[19:58] <MadnessRed> klkl
[19:58] <MadnessRed> so if uri[0:7] == 'file://': return 0
[19:58] <MadnessRed> kk
[19:59] <Silasle> Mmm, yes or "if "file:// in uri:return 0
[19:59] <Silasle> * if "file://" in uri: return 0
[20:00] <MadnessRed> also I don;t need an else after an if return do I
[20:01] <MadnessRed> I think we should spicify file:// being at the start
[20:01] <Silasle> If your other code doesn't need an 1 returned if it's not an file uri
[20:01] <Silasle> Then you don't need it
[20:02] <Omega> Good day guys.
[20:02] <Silasle> Hi Omega
[20:05] <MadnessRed> ok, I pushed it
[20:05] <Silasle> I cant pull now as i'm editing my file
[20:06] <MadnessRed> :/ pull first before you commit
[20:06] <MadnessRed> I edited ubuntu-tour.py
[20:08] <Silasle> It right now looks like this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4997718/Screenshot-18.png
[20:09] <Omega> I think we should move away from calling the chapters by program name and start calling them by task name
[20:09] <Silasle>   File "ubuntu-tour.py", line 22, in <module>
[20:09] <Silasle>     if sys.argv[1] == 'debug':
[20:09] <Silasle> IndexError: list index out of range
[20:09] <Silasle> MadnessRed: ^
[20:10] <MadnessRed> :/
[20:10] <Silasle> Omega: We will have folders like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/493246/
[20:10] <Omega> That looks so much better.
[20:10] <Omega> Also, I dig that mockup.
[20:11] <Omega> Did MadnessRed make that by hand?
[20:11] <MadnessRed> sorted
[20:11] <MadnessRed> He did
[20:11] <Omega> o:
[20:11] <Omega> Props;
[20:11] <Silasle> :P
[20:11] <MadnessRed> With gedit
[20:11] <Silasle> Ok, runs
[20:12] <MadnessRed> and it you add debug to the end of the command, eg, I do
[20:12] <MadnessRed> clear; ./ubuntu-tour.py debug
[20:12] <MadnessRed> then it will show the debug output
[20:12] <Silasle> Ok
[20:13] <Silasle> It's programmers day today: Make Happy Programmer Day cards using ASCII art ;)
[20:13] <MadnessRed> nice :)
[20:13] <MadnessRed> why today?
[20:13] <Silasle> Guess!
[20:14] <Silasle> It's the 256th day of the year (byte)
[20:15] <MadnessRed> kk
[20:16] <Omega> Oh it is? Happy programmers day guys!
[20:17] <Silasle> brb
[20:17] <MadnessRed> any you
[20:17] <MadnessRed> I don't suppose someone could allow me to mange bugs on the bug tracker
[20:17] <Omega> I will grant you the necessary powers.
[20:18] <MadnessRed> ty
[20:18] <Silasle> back
[20:19] <Omega> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tour-bugs
[20:19] <Omega> Join that group
[20:19] <Silasle> MadnessRed: Do you know how to get the treeview clicks?
[20:19] <Omega> and you'll be able to manage them
[20:19] <MadnessRed> i think so
[20:20] <MadnessRed> actually single clicks can be difficult
[20:20] <MadnessRed> I think there is a workaround though
[20:20] <Silasle> But double clocks?
[20:20] <Silasle> *clicks
[20:20] <MadnessRed> connect("activated",function)
[20:21] <MadnessRed> but the treeview will be generated in tour.py
[20:21] <MadnessRed> with a simple callback function
[20:21] <MadnessRed> I think that is best
[20:21] <MadnessRed> then the entirety of tour management is in tour.py
[20:21] <MadnessRed> brb
[20:25] <MadnessRed> back
[20:26] <Silasle> activated not working
[20:26] <Silasle>   File "ubuntu-tour.py", line 92, in __init__
[20:26] <Silasle>     tree.connect("activated",self.callback,name)
[20:26] <Silasle> TypeError: <gtk.TreeView object at 0x9d717ac (GtkTreeView at 0x9db0020)>: unknown signal name: activated
[20:26] <Silasle> row-expanded works
[20:28] <Silasle> Ah, row-activated
[20:44] <Silasle> Hmm, i dont get that
[21:01] <Silasle> MadnessRed: It wasn't that easy, i have an treeview and i can change section but not change page
[21:02] <MadnessRed> ok, sorry, was not watching irc
[21:02] <MadnessRed> its active I think
[21:02] <MadnessRed> can you push you code then, I'll see what I can do with it
[21:02] <Silasle> It's row-activated
[21:03] <Silasle> But the only thing i get is something like (0,7) column 0 row 7
[21:03] <MadnessRed> oh right yh
[21:04] <Silasle> I'll send you an tar file
[21:04] <MadnessRed> ok
[21:05] <MadnessRed><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:06] <Silasle> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4997718/tree.tar.gz
[21:08] <Silasle> That code is an bit messed up and may look strange but it was the best i could get  :|
[21:08] <MadnessRed> ok
[21:08] <MadnessRed> ok, the way that things will be organised, I think...
[21:09] <Silasle> ?
[21:09] <MadnessRed> ...
[21:09] <MadnessRed> in the folder
[21:09] <MadnessRed> code-project/tour/language
[21:09] <MadnessRed> should be a file tour.info
[21:09] <MadnessRed> Which should read something like:
[21:10] <MadnessRed> name:About Ubuntu
[21:10] <MadnessRed> parent:Uncatagorised
[21:10] <MadnessRed> position:1
[21:10] <Silasle> Yea
[21:10] <MadnessRed> that way we can also have titles in the correct language
[21:10] <Silasle> Mmm
[21:11] <MadnessRed> and we can manage case better
[21:12] <Silasle> Ah, you changed something
[21:19] <MadnessRed> I just uploaded a revised tour.info file
[21:19] <MadnessRed> I missed something last time
[21:19] <MadnessRed> I thinki
[21:19] <MadnessRed> #
[21:20] <Silasle> What's whit my treeview?
[21:24] <Silasle> Ok, bed time, bye
[21:24] <MadnessRed> ok, sorry
[21:24] <MadnessRed> was looking at the code
[21:24] <MadnessRed> I am making the tour things objects, so they store there own language a catgory
[21:25] <MadnessRed> should make things a bit more effienct, and make creating the treeview easier
[21:25] <Silasle> Yea, but now creating isn't the problem
[21:27] <MadnessRed> I know, but we need to sort out the catagories
[21:28] <Silasle> Yea, that too
[21:28] <MadnessRed> which are kind of a dependancy of the treeview
[21:29] <Silasle> Mmm, thats true
[21:29] <Silasle> Wouldnt it be an idea to have the links in the html window?
[21:30] <Silasle> *links=treeview
[21:30] <MadnessRed> I thought about that
[21:31] <MadnessRed> but then we need to generate html dynamically, each time the page is loaded
[21:31] <MadnessRed> it could be done but i think it would look better with gtk
[21:34] <Silasle> Maybe
[21:34] <Silasle> But i'm really going to bed now
[21:34] <Silasle> bye
[21:42] <MadnessRed> bi
[22:11] <MadnessRed> There is a high chance of bugs in the latest revision, please test and let me know
[22:11] <MadnessRed> thats on the code-development branch
[22:12] <MadnessRed> I know that only 1 tutorial shows at the moment, thats because the others don't have config files yet
[22:13] <MadnessRed>
[22:13] <MadnessRed> I gtg, I'll checkup when I get back for any bugs, sorry about this
[22:16] <Omega> No problem
[22:30] <aprilg1> Hi everyone. just got home. read through logs. yarrr
[22:30] <aprilg1> someone mentioned an FB page? what about twitter? lulz. i don't like FB tho. i deleted my account
[22:30] <aprilg1> :D
[22:41] <MadnessRed> !digest
[22:42] <gryman> How'd you know I just had lunch?
[22:44] <MadnessRed> I was hoping, that it would update me with the last posts, but it didn't
[22:46] <aprilg> aprilg_away
[22:46] <aprilg_away> arrr really need to sleep na0
[22:46] <MadnessRed> kk
[22:46] <aprilg_away> i'll catch up with you guys later
[23:59] <Muscovy> Oh dear, 40 new messages.


[01:19] <AgusLinux> Hello guys, a question as a noob. Where are located the apps that I install?
[01:23] <Bashing-om> AgusLinux: Huh ? Can you be more specific for what you seek ?
[01:23] <AgusLinux> And how can I see the space in my hard disk drives
[01:24] <AgusLinux> Bashing-om: like in windows, when you install a program or an app, you choose in what hard disk you instalk
[01:24] <Bashing-om> AgusLinux: Generally ' df -h ' in terminal.
[01:24] <AgusLinux> I'm new on linux
[01:25] <AgusLinux> And have an ssd and two hdd
[01:25] <AgusLinux> In the ssd is the system
[01:25] <AgusLinux> The apps installed goes there?
[01:26] <Bashing-om> AgusLinux: Not so ^ in linux. The locations are predetermined bt our package management system.
[01:26] <Bashing-om> by*
[01:26] <AgusLinux> So, the apps can be installed in any disk?
[01:27] <Bashing-om> AgusLinux: Well - depends on what the app is and what the programmer/maintainer has in mind.
[01:28] <AgusLinux> but, it isn't like in windows where I have a folder with the name of the app
[01:29] <Bashing-om> AgusLinux: Nope - not in linux. Here all supports are shared resources.
[01:29] <AgusLinux> ok
[01:29] <kotek> AgusLinux: which <program>
[01:30] <AgusLinux> OpenShot
[01:30] <AgusLinux> FreeTube
[01:31] <AgusLinux> Oh!
[01:31] <AgusLinux> Forgot, another thing
[01:32] <AgusLinux> How can I share a folder between Xubuntu and windows
[01:33] <AgusLinux> My computer and the other one are in the same net
[01:33] <kotek> I personally prefer creating a partition
[01:33] <kotek> Oh
[01:33] <AgusLinux> I read a tutorial about samba and didn't work
[01:34] <kotek> Why didn't it work?
[01:37] <AgusLinux> kotek: it didn't appear the option to share the folder
[01:38] <AgusLinux> I'll try a tutorial I'm seeing now on it's foss
[09:11] <xu-irc94w> hi
[09:11] <xu-irc94w> how secure is this distro
[09:12] <xu-irc94w> i want to hack my school system
[09:12] <xu-irc94w> i need very secure os
[10:09] <csanyipal> Hi,
[10:14] <csanyipal> my xubuntu 18 system has not booted since this morning.
[10:16] <csanyipal> This happen on my laptop, and now I booted it with Xubuntu installation CD but this CD does not the version of Xubuntu which I have installed in the laptop. This CD is an older version of Xubuntu.
[10:17] <csanyipal> How can I recover the Xubuntu on my laptop?
[10:21] <tomreyn> hi csanyipal! by "xubuntu 18", do you mean Xubuntu 18.04?
[10:22] <csanyipal> Yes, I do.
[10:22] <tomreyn> okay, there was also Xubuntu 18.10, so it's always good to specify the exact version number.
[10:22] <tomreyn> are you still running the live syste now?
[10:23] <csanyipal> Yes, I am running the live system now.
[10:24] <tomreyn> do you know how to mount the root (/) file system of your installed / normal xubuntu installtion in the current system?
[10:25] <csanyipal> I did before this but forget it.
[10:26] <tomreyn> run this in a terminal, it shows known disks and partitions:   sudo fdisk -l
[10:26] <tomreyn> another way to view this information is   lsblk
[10:27] <tomreyn> see if you can identify the disk and partition you normally run xubuntu from.
[10:29] <tomreyn> you can also share this output using e.g.    sudo fdisk -l 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:29] <tomreyn> csanyipal: please mention my nickname (tomreyn) here when you're back.
[10:29] <csanyipal> OK
[10:32] <csanyipal> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/gqpc
[10:34] <csanyipal> tomreyn I think the /dev/sda2 is the root partition of my installed Xubuntu system on the HDD.
[10:35] <csanyipal> The /dev/sda should be my home partition out there.
[10:36] <csanyipal> 6
[10:36] <tomreyn> csanyipal: sda2  is not a real partition, it just marks the beginning of the extended partition space on thisMBR/DOS partitioned disk. your normal / file system will be either the 60 GB sda1 or the 400 GB sda6
[10:36] <tomreyn> so let's look at sda1
[10:37] <tomreyn> sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[10:38] <csanyipal> tomreyn /mnt$ ls0    boot  etc   initrd.img      lib    lost+found  mnt  proc  run   snap  swapfile  tmp  var      vmlinuz.oldbin  dev   home  initrd.img.old  lib64  media       opt  root  sbin  srv   sys       usr  vmlinuz
[10:38] <tomreyn> yes, this looks like a root file system
[10:39] <tomreyn> sudo journalctl --root=/mnt --list-boots | tail | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:39] <tomreyn> this should report your latest boots to the installed system
[10:40] <csanyipal> tomreyn https://termbin.com/ka5i
[10:40] <tomreyn> hmm, this doesn't seem to have worked. try this instead:
[10:41] <tomreyn> sudo journalctl -D /mnt/var/log/journal --list-boots | tail | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:42] <csanyipal> tomreyn Using --boot or --list-boots with --file, --directory or --merge is not supported.
[10:42] <tomreyn> oh okay, i didn'T knwo this
[10:43] <tomreyn> sudo journalctl -D /mnt/var/log/journal -b -1  | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:43] <tomreyn> oh wait ths wont work either
[10:43] <csanyipal> OK
[10:45] <tomreyn> sudo last --file /mnt/var/log/wtmp
[10:46] <tomreyn> sudo last --file /mnt/var/log/wtmp 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[10:46] <csanyipal> tomreyn https://termbin.com/aym7
[10:47] <tomreyn> csanyipal: okay, so this tells us when you have last rebooted from the installed system, and which kernel version was being used.
[10:47] <csanyipal> OK
[10:48] <tomreyn> can you tell me which of these 'reboot   system boot' lines is the one where it failed to boot?
[10:48] <tomreyn> the first one which failed to boot
[10:49] <tomreyn> these times may be given in a different time zone than yours, namely UTC
[10:50] <csanyipal> I think the first one which failed to boot was this: Sun Jul 19 04:52
[10:51] <tomreyn> okay. that's the same kernel version as the previous ones. i assumed that a kernel update wuold have caused the boot to fail, but this does not seem to be so then. can you tell me more about what happened when the boot failed? did you see any error messages on screen? where did the boot seem to fail?
[10:54] <tomreyn> also, did you make any possibly relevant (configuration or other) changes between when the system booted fine and when it first failed to boot properly?
[10:54] <tomreyn> csanyipal: ^
[10:54] <csanyipal> Well, at boot I can see a textual terminal messages only.
[10:55] <tomreyn> just the normal messages scrolling by, or actual erro messages which are shown long enough to read them?
[10:55] <tomreyn> *erroR
[10:55] <csanyipal> I did not make any changes between when the system booted fine and when it first failed to boot properly.
[10:57] <csanyipal> I see a grub menu which I normally does not see at all. There in grub menu first I hit Enter at Ubuntu option but the boot failed.
[10:58] <csanyipal> Then I tried the Ubuntu repair or something like that, but it returns me to the main grub menu out there.
[10:58] <csanyipal> So the grub menu is useless.
[10:59] <csanyipal> Some boot messages are repeated, but do not remember which ones.
[10:59] <csanyipal> That is al.
[10:59] <csanyipal> all.
[11:02] <tomreyn> csanyipal: okay. let's just see some of your system logs then: sudo journalctl -D /mnt/var/log/journal --since '2020-07-19 04:50:00' -k 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:03] <csanyipal> tomreyn https://termbin.com/mqu7
[11:05] <tomreyn> csanyipal: okay. let's try this instead - this can take some minutes to complete:     sudo journalctl -D /mnt/var/log/journal -k > /tmp/log 2>&1 ; sudo tail -n 999 /tmp/log | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:05] <csanyipal> tomreyn https://termbin.com/9ghc
[11:06] <tomreyn> geez, le tme look up how to do this properly
[11:06] <csanyipal> OK
[11:11] <tomreyn> csanyipal: sudo journalctl --file /mnt/var/log/journal/$(sudo cat /mnt/etc/machine-id)/system.journal > /tmp/log 2>&1 ; sudo tail -n 999 /tmp/log | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:11] <csanyipal> tomreyn https://termbin.com/dlu1
[11:14] <tomreyn> csanyipal: what does this report?    sudo ls -lah /mnt/var/log/syslog
[11:14] <csanyipal> tomreyn -rw-r----- 1 systemd-resolve adm 95K júl   18 19:30 /mnt/var/log/syslog
[11:15] <tomreyn> hmm i assume this is from before your system failed to boot, right?
[11:15] <csanyipal> Yes.
[11:15] <tomreyn> let's see it anyways: sudo cat /mnt/var/log/syslog | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:16] <csanyipal> tomreyn https://termbin.com/r34ne
[11:17] <tomreyn> okay, this posted just part of the log, i think, let's see the end as well: sudo tail -n 200 /mnt/var/log/syslog | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:18] <csanyipal> tomreyn https://termbin.com/a5se
[11:18] <tomreyn> hmm actually it was complete. so your system must have rebooted or powered off unexpectely there
[11:20] <csanyipal> It is a laptop and it can't be powered off unexpectedly, right?
[11:20] <tomreyn> i'll take a closer look at the log. in the meantime, try rebooting your computer again, and when you reach the grub menu, select advanced, then the third record, see if this boots.
[11:20] <csanyipal> OK.
[11:21] <tomreyn> csanyipal: it could, but you're right, more likely than being powered off unxpectedly it would have rebooted.
[11:22] <csanyipal> I am going to reboot now.
[11:22] <tomreyn> ok
[11:34] <csanyipal> tomreyn I have successfully booted with an older kernel which I selected at the grub menu out there.
[11:35] <tomreyn> csanyipal: sweet
[11:35] <csanyipal> What can I do to solve this issue with the newest kernel here?
[11:36] <csanyipal> tomreyn What can I do to solve this issue with the newest kernel here?
[11:36] <tomreyn> csanyipal: we do not really know this, yet. there are many possible reasons why current kernel image fails to boot.
[11:37] <csanyipal> OK. I will waiting for the solution then. Meanwhile I will boot with the older kernel here.
[11:37] <tomreyn> is your disk almost full? df -h | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:37] <tomreyn> if you have a secondary computer or mobile phone, i suggest connecting there with it
[11:37] <tomreyn> connecting HERE, i mean
[11:37] <tomreyn> so that we can chat while you do reboots
[11:38] <tomreyn> also, let's see your current kernel log: journalctl -kb | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:38] <tomreyn> this is to see whether there can be hardware errors.
[11:38] <csanyipal> tomreyn https://termbin.com/t6vp
[11:39] <tomreyn> okay, / running full is NOT the problem
[11:39] <tomreyn> we need to look for other answers.
[11:40] <csanyipal> tomreyn https://termbin.com/j28d
[11:42] <tomreyn> so thats an acer aspire V3-571 or V3-571G
[11:43] <tomreyn> BIOS V1.10, which is an older one.
[11:43] <tomreyn> V3-571 BIOS update: https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/support-product/4076?b=1
[11:44] <tomreyn> V3-571G BIOS update: https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/support-product/4077?b=1
[11:44] <csanyipal> tomreyn Should I update my BIOS then?
[11:45] <tomreyn> not to solve this problem we'Re dealing with. but it may be a good idea in general. up to you to decide.
[11:45] <tomreyn> i'm just putting this here for your convenience and as a reference while reading the logs
[11:47] <csanyipal> OK, thanks!
[11:48] <tomreyn> your current log has a kernel oops about the intel graphics driver, i915
[11:49] <tomreyn> a bios update *may* help there. but a better option may be to just try LTSE stack instead
[11:49] <tomreyn> !LTSE | csanyipal
[11:49] <tomreyn> i suggest you install this
[11:51] <tomreyn> this will give you the same kernel version and X server version you would get if you would do a fresh install Xubuntu 18.04 nowadays.
[11:53] <tomreyn> IF you'll also do the bios upgrade, i assume you may need to go with BIOS version 1.13, because you have 1.10 now, and the newer versions (2.17 and 2.21) are labelled as "Not for Upgrades". This is not very well done by Acer, but I guess they're trying to warn you about not upgrading tot hese versions (these versions may have shipped with newer hardware versions of your device, and may not be compatible with yours)
[11:53] <csanyipal> OK, I am installing it now.
[11:54] <tomreyn> right, try installing and booting LTSE first of all
[11:57] <csanyipal> tomreyn I just installed LTSE and going to reboot now with it. Thanks!
[12:05] <csanyipal> tomreyn I just booted with the LTSE kernel successfully.
[12:06] <tomreyn> csanyipal: okay, that's nice
[12:06] <csanyipal> tomreyn Thank you very much for help!
[12:06] <tomreyn> csanyipal: csan you share another log for this running kernel, so we can see whether the i915 module still oopses?
[12:06] <tomreyn> journalctl -kb | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:07] <csanyipal> tomreyn https://termbin.com/g4fx
[12:08] <tomreyn> no oops this time
[12:09] <tomreyn> i guess you'Re good for now.
[12:09] <csanyipal> tomreyn Thanks again!
[12:11] <tomreyn> you're welcome csanyipal :)
[12:12] <csanyipal> tomreyn :)
[12:16] <csanyipal> Bye!
[20:20] <XubAesome> I upgraded Xubuntu 19 to 20.04 (Focal Fossa), but the software manager went missing.  Help!
[20:21] <diogenes_> XubAesome, it was replaced with snap store.
[20:21] <XubAesome> is snap store a gui?
[20:21] <diogenes_> yes
[20:22] <XubAesome> so forget gnome software, and get snap store by synaptic?
[20:22] <XubAesome> using synaptic package manager?
[20:22] <XubAesome> or apt install?
[20:23] <diogenes_> open the menu, type: store
[20:24] <tomreyn> or keep using synaptic, or start using user-friendly apt on the (virtual) terminal more.
[20:25] <XubAesome> menu --> store doesn't exist
[20:25]  * diogenes_ does 90% of all work in terminal.
[20:25] <XubAesome> can't find snap store in synaptic
[20:26] <diogenes_> !info snap-store
[20:26] <diogenes_> !info snapstore
[20:26] <XubAesome> ? apt !info snap-store ?
[20:27] <tomreyn> i guess snap store may be a snap
[20:27] <diogenes_> right tomreyn
[20:27] <XubAesome> diogenes, how do I use "!info snap-store"
[20:27] <diogenes_> XubAesome, sudo snap install snap-store
[20:28] <XubAesome> diogenes, thanku
[20:28] <diogenes_> XubAesome, you're welcome.
[20:31] <XubAesome> You guys are great :)   can you help me with connecting webdavs?  thunar connect dowsn't work and i noticed Gigolo is installed, but doesn't seem to work well.  Does anbox snap install Gigolo by dependency?
[20:31] <XubAesome> as dependency?
[20:33] <XubAesome> I Bu guys, mean guys/galls :)
[20:33] <XubAesome> gals
[20:34] <XubAesome> by guys, i mean guys and gals.
[20:37] <XubAesome> excuse spellings/typos please.
[20:38] <diogenes_> !patience | XubAesome
[20:40] <XubAesome> ok
[21:10] <XubAesome> I think Gigolo may have been installed by https://github.com/geeks-r-us/anbox-playstore-installer/
[21:10] <XubAesome> as guided here https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/07/anbox-how-to-install-google-play-store.html
[21:12] <XubAesome> or zulucrypt or sirikali? not sure since it was months ago....
[21:20] <XubAesome> Does anyone know if there is/was a website for linux/ubuntu "package dependency browser"?  It would be helpful to quickly click through sub-dependencies from package to package.
[21:21] <tomreyn> there's packages.ubuntu.com
[21:22] <XubAesome> tomreyn: thanks.
[21:22] <tomreyn> and there's your apt CLI, of course: apt depends SOMEPACKGEGOESHERE
[21:24] <tomreyn> about webdav: i dn't know whether it's supported by thunar, but see if you can manually edit the 'path' / 'location' it displays. and if you can enter a custom location, try davs://dav.mailbox.org/servlet/webdav.infostore/
[21:25] <tomreyn> if you get a login prompt there then webdav is supported - you'll just need to change the server (URL) to yours.
[21:27] <XubAesome> yes, xdg-open then prompts for "OX-WebDav".
[21:27] <XubAesome> cool
[21:28] <XubAesome> any thoughts on why thunar "Open Location ..." doesn't do anything, doesn't give a prompt to connect ...
[22:37] <XubAesome> I got disconnected, is there a way to see the chat history?
[22:48] <tomreyn> XubAesome: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/latest/%23xubuntu.html - but logging is always delayed, up to an hour or so
[22:49] <XubAesome> Thank you | tomreyn
[22:51] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[23:23] <XubAesome> any thoughts on why Thunar - Go - "Open Location ..." or Ctrl-L doesn't do anything, doesn't give a prompt to connect ...	?
[23:25] <XubAesome> Nevermind, I just realized it's just like url...


[01:12] <imbrandon> ugh i really should stay off twitter
[01:13] <imbrandon> internet argument about why ubuntu should just give up and let debian do everything .... :(
[01:14] <persia> There's both positive and negative bits about that argument.  Mostly depends on the maintainer.
[01:15] <persia> But I think the only sane response is to actively work to make that the case where the maintainers are happy to collaborate.
[01:15] <persia> (but this is action, not participation in the debate)
[01:15] <imbrandon> right
[01:16] <imbrandon> oh well i gotta get some code done , on what i dunno yet, just something to take me away from tweets ;)
[01:16] <persia> We should probably get DCT going again, but it really requires someone who has the time and interest to be the DCT leader, and isn't someone who does something else.
[01:16] <imbrandon> DCT ?
[01:16] <persia> Debian Collaboration Team.  It's come and gone a few times, but hasn't been active for a while.
[01:17] <imbrandon> ahh yea, i just hadent known it by that name
[01:17] <imbrandon> yea it would eat alot of time for whomever
[01:17] <persia> This is different than Utnubu.
[01:17] <persia> Utnubu is/was a Debian project to get Ubuntu patches merged, and get Ubuntu packages in.
[01:18] <imbrandon> i dont think collaboration is the main issue in this guys case though, he just seems to fail to realize that Ubuntu exists because it has a diffrent goal than Debian, not to be "a better debian"
[01:18] <persia> DCT was/is an Ubuntu project to reduce total delta and improve communication with various Maintainers.
[01:18] <persia> They are complementary, but were always different.
[01:18] <persia> Oh, for several classes of users, Ubuntu is a degraded Debian.
[01:19] <persia> It's just different, to meet specific goals.
[01:19] <imbrandon> right, and thats what i dont think he understands, its not like debian for everyone e.g. "a universal os" its for a very specific use case, even if that use case gets expanded over the years ;)
[01:20] <ajmitch> but it's an argument on the internet, how can you back down?
[01:20] <imbrandon> :)
[01:20] <persia> ajmitch: Apparently the strategy is to bring it to other forums, to make it harder to filter :)
[01:21] <persia> imbrandon: "set of use cases", but yeah.  Ubuntu isn't universal, and doesn't try to be.
[01:21] <ajmitch> is here where we're meant to jump on debian & have the 2 minutes of hate?
[01:21] <imbrandon> true
[01:23] <imbrandon> so i ran across a perl twitter client today, must i say "for the love of everything that is good, WHY!"
[01:24] <persia> imbrandon: So, you're bored, and want a coding project?
[01:24] <wgrant> Better than PHP-GTK.
[01:24] <ajmitch> wgrant: don't tempt him
[01:24] <imbrandon> persia: yup
[01:24] <imbrandon> wgrant: hahahahah i was just talking to ajmitch about that yesterday
[01:26] <persia> imbrandon: CLI NetworkManager client, for when X crashes.  Does the appropriate things with D-Bus and the DE data stores.  Make sure it works for all of GNOME/KDE/XFCE/headless.
[01:26] <jdong> persia: CNetworkManager?
[01:26] <imbrandon> persia: dosent that exist ?
[01:26] <jdong> http://vidner.net/martin/software/cnetworkmanager/
[01:26] <persia> jdong: I heard that project was stagnant.
[01:26] <imbrandon> ahhh /me will dig into it
[01:26] <jdong> oh. it workedforme
[01:27] <jdong> but Ubuntu packaging and refreshing is awesome too :)
[01:27]  * ajmitch just wants a working wireless driver :)
[01:27] <persia> jdong: I'm not fussy if it's fixing found code or creating new code :)
[01:27] <jdong> :)
[01:28] <persia> But nm-tool just doesn't even pretend to be enough.
[01:28] <imbrandon> persia / jdong : sounds like just the proj i need :) /me starts diggin
[01:29] <imbrandon> main problem i can think of right off is kde and gnome store the nm info diffrently dont they
[01:29] <imbrandon> for say staticly configured interfaces
[01:30] <imbrandon> since they dont use /etc/network/*
[01:31] <persia> imbrandon: Right, so you have to come up with some minimal-deps client code that checks to see if the store exists, then tries to pull secrets from it, etc.
[01:31] <imbrandon> right
[01:31] <persia> Because you don't just want the static IPs, but also things like passphrases for wireless or VPNs, etc.
[01:32] <imbrandon> yea, it might be tricky if it configured diffrently for like say kde and gnome on the same box
[01:32] <persia> And if the store requires authentication to access, you need to plug into the authentication mechanisms, etc.
[01:32] <persia> cNetworkManager is a start, but there's lots of integration missing :)
[01:32] <imbrandon> yup, and atleast its python ;)
[01:36] <imbrandon> ohh this looks fun, and actualy no my assumption was wrong, it somehow actualy stores the info per user via NM not via a DE datastore
[01:37] <imbrandon> not sure exactly how yet, but that makes things easier
[01:37]  * imbrandon goes to graba  mt dew and fetches the tarbal
[01:41] <imbrandon> the ubutnu-server seed include python i would assume , correct ?
[01:44] <persia> python-minimal is in the minimal task.
[01:45] <persia> Hrm.  python is also in the minimal task.  Why do we have python-minimal again?
[01:48] <imbrandon> probably an older holdover
[02:19] <JanC> persia: python-minimal is for people who want to go really minimal AFAIK  ;)
[02:20] <MTecknology> persia: for people like me that are insane to the core :D
[02:20] <MTecknology> ... if I ever learn python..
[02:20] <persia> I thought it was a subset that was supposed to be in ubuntu-minimal, with the rest in ubuntu-standard.  I suspect python got into minimal because of default-recommends, and minimal may benefit from renewed analysis (and specifically close comparison between no-install-recommends and default)
[02:21] <JanC> looks mostly useful for limited tasks on an embedded system
[02:21] <persia> MTecknology: The package is specifically that subset of python that was really a dependency of that subset of packages that was considered really minimal.  I don't imagine anyone would intentionally use it, although many would be happy to install fewer modules on a system that's intended to be minimal, and not likely to run some arbitrary set of python programs.
[02:22] <persia> JanC: I think the target was more appliance VM than embedded system, but something like that.
[02:23] <JanC> it doesn't even include support for databases, xml parsing, etc.
[02:23] <MTecknology> persia: I was making a crack at how minimal I made my system. granted I should probably add some of the stuff in ubuntu-minimal back to my system..
[02:25] <persia> JanC: Right, which I don't really need for e.g. a static webserver, or a DNS server.
[02:28] <MTecknology> Is there any reason most configs are ~/.xxx sintead of ~/.config/xxx or something like that?
[02:28] <MTecknology> imo .config is a lot cleaner
[02:28] <JanC> MTecknology: because ~/.config didn't exist in the past
[02:28] <JanC> it's an XDG invention
[02:28] <MTecknology> oh
[02:29] <MTecknology> any chance people might start moving to it in the distant future?
[02:29] <JanC> people are already moving
[02:29] <MTecknology> cool :)
[02:30] <JanC> but if upstream thinks it is "not traditional unix"...  ;)
[02:31] <MTecknology> then we slam em!
[02:31] <MTecknology> or let'm do what they please :P
[02:32] <JanC> at least ~/.blah is better than ~/blah
[02:32] <MTecknology> ya... I remember using some of those apps a while back
[02:32] <JanC> (yes there are those who do that)
[02:32] <MTecknology> I think I had to use on eof those a couple months ago - forgot the name though - I know jagex does it
[02:49] <ScottK> YokoZar: Not sure if anyone answered this, but it is too late to hit retry, but DEPWAIT fix is a legit SRU, so you do a debian/changelog only upload to lucid-proposed.
[03:36] <ScottK> jdong: https://launchpad.net/lucid-backports
[03:41] <imbrandon> ScottK: is there a bug# ?
[04:01] <ScottK> imbrandon: For?
[04:01] <imbrandon> ScottK: i forget now
[04:05] <jdong> ScottK: thanks!
[04:07]  * imbrandon goes through the list of -backports for someting to approve/defer/test
[04:11] <imbrandon> jdong: wanna approve lp 480547 , you initial assesment looks like the way to go
[04:12] <imbrandon> otherwise it would require a source change backport that could be done later
[04:12] <imbrandon> for jaunty
[04:13] <jdong> imbrandon: ok
[04:14] <jdong> imbrandon:have you checked lucid -> karmic?
[04:14] <imbrandon> only cursorly, when i did the lucid update a week or two ago
[04:14] <imbrandon> i can do more in-depth if wanted
[04:15] <imbrandon> in otherwords i know it builds and installs, but as far as working as inteneded  in karmic no idea
[04:15] <jdong> imbrandon: ok back when I looked at the backport it definitely worked
[04:17] <imbrandon> man i LOVE the Ubuntu One Music store, LOVE it , heh
[04:52] <imbrandon> ScottK: i'm guessing the etoys intrepid-proposed sru was rejected b/c support ?
[04:53] <imbrandon> lfaraone ^^
[05:07] <micahg> jdong: would a locales package that was forgotten be ok for an SRU?
[05:07] <jdong> micahg: that sounds reasonable to me
[05:07] <micahg> jdong: k, thanks
[05:45] <ScottK> imbrandon: Yes.
[06:03] <suji11> hi
[06:05] <persia> hey
[06:05] <imbrandon> heya
[06:06] <suji11> Already iok is in ubuntu repository, i followed this site https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Recipes/PackageUpdate and update the iok package, now what i do to bring this to ubuntu repository?
[06:07] <suji11> i uploaded this to in my launchpad https://launchpad.net/~suji87-msc/+archive/ppa
[06:07] <persia> suji11: Which source format did you use for the package?
[06:08] <suji11> persia: Source format means?
[06:08] <persia> If you ask, you used 1.0 :)
[06:08] <persia> Just attach the diff.gz to a bug requesting upload, and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors.
[06:09] <persia> Note that maverick isn't open yet, so nobody *can* upload it for probably a week to ten days.
[06:13] <suji11> persia: where to upload the diff.gz and should i upload the latest version of iok's diff.gz am right?
[06:13] <persia> Attach the diff.gz you want reviewed for inclusion in the repository to a bug requesting an upgrade or update of iok.
[06:14] <persia> Do not attach the original tarball: be sure that your diff.gz has all necessary information to produce the original tarball in debian/watch, debian/copyright, debian/README.source, and debian/rules.
[06:21] <suji11> persia: ok, where to i upload the diff.gz ?
[06:21] <persia> Attach the diff.gz you want reviewed for inclusion in the repository to a bug requesting an upgrade or update of iok.
[07:23] <imbrandon> using bug trackers is much more fun when music is playing /me is glad to have his music collection sync'd back to the laptop
[07:32] <warp10> wgrant: please, could you renew my membership in ~motuscience?
[07:41] <wgrant> warp10: Done.
[07:42] <warp10> wgrant: great, thanks!
[08:03] <Rhonda> 7who
[08:03] <Rhonda> Laney: Thanks - didn't see it yesterday anymore, was off then already. :)
[08:43] <dholbach> good morning
[08:44] <adahendra> morning
[08:44] <dholbach> hey adahendra
[08:44] <Rhonda> loha
[08:46] <imbrandon> moins dholbach
[08:46] <dholbach> hey Rhonda, hi imbrandon
[08:48] <adahendra> hai dholbach
[08:49] <Rhonda> grmlmonster got released yesterday, too. :)
[08:49] <Rhonda> So it was two releases for me.
[09:42] <YokoZar> ScottK: uploaded to proposed then :)
[11:21] <eagles0513875> just in here to thanks you guys for making another great release :) with lucid
[16:09] <lfaraone> imbrandon: understood.
[16:09] <lfaraone> Can I perform SRU verification for my own SRU uploads?
[16:55] <geser> lfaraone: I doubt it, or would you propose a fix which doesn't work for you?
[17:23] <Guest32482> Hello M. lucas
[17:24] <Guest32482> Is it possible to compile/use rubyripper on Ubuntu 10.04 without hang?
[17:27] <fabrice_sp> Hi. Does it makes sense to fix the FTBFS, and document the SRU, if this is a new package in Lucid? (it's for rabbit)
[17:31] <geser> yes
[17:46] <Guest32482> Is it possible to make a package of a software e.g. rubyripper, which will be independant of ruby-related libraries?
[17:47] <fabrice_sp> geser, if the yes was for me, it's for https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rabbit
[17:49] <geser> fabrice_sp: yes, the "yes" was for you. The SRU page mentions FTBFS as a valid reason for an SRU.
[17:50] <fabrice_sp> I know, but as this package has never been in Ubuntu, I was trying to see if it's worth a SRU or not
[17:51] <fabrice_sp> but the fix is easy, so I'll upload it to -proposed :-)
[17:51] <geser> if the package works afterwards, then SRU it
[17:51] <fabrice_sp> ok. I saw another one (because of missing locales-all in Ubuntu). I'll upload it also then
[17:52] <geser> it's even less risky as you don't replace any old debs (from an previous successful build)
[17:52] <fabrice_sp> thanks!
[18:33] <lfaraone> geser: good point.
[19:00] <cody-somerville> ScottK, Does the backports team regularly backport dpkg-dev?
[19:16] <imbrandon> cody-somerville: looking i dont see any backports for it , ever
[19:17] <imbrandon> cody-somerville: and i dont rember processesing any
[19:17] <cody-somerville> k0p, thanks
[19:17] <cody-somerville> doh
[19:17] <cody-somerville> okay, thanks :)
[19:20] <jdong> cody-somerville: I think dpkg-dev qualifies as a package I'm afraid to touch ;-)
[19:20] <jdong> namely, it's in the "cjwatson can feel free to do whatever he wants to it!" category :)
[19:21] <cody-somerville> Theres a lot of stuff in it. I think some of it should probably be split out.
[19:35] <imbrandon> release party here in a few hours , woot
[20:04] <ubuntujenkins> I am trying to get a package to place a pdf in /usr/share/docs/pdf . any suggestions or hints on how i get a package to do that. Also does it matter that the "ubuntu-manual" folder doesn't exist?
[20:22] <ubuntujenkins> */usr/share/docs/ubuntu-manual
[20:23] <azop> ubuntujenkins: are you trying to install something else to /usr/share/docs/ubuntu-manual?
[20:23] <azop> s/install/copy
[20:24] <ubuntujenkins> azop: I have five files that need placing in different places in the os. Its just a bunch of latex icons and a font.
[20:25] <ubuntujenkins> I would like to do it with a package as the aim is to make it easier for others
[20:26] <azop> Well, you would need to create the ubuntu-manual directory if you plan to copy files into it during the install
[20:27] <ubuntujenkins> Thats as i guessed how would i go about it? I am quite happy to read info if you have some suggestions
[20:47] <carstenh> ubuntujenkins: don't trust random scripts someone you don't know gave you on irc :) after you checked that http://stateful.de/~carsten/tmp/100430U3x0e6FxXjg/dir2deb doesn't do any harm you could create a directory structure, place things that belong to /usr/bin in yourpackagename/usr/bin and so on and finally run DEBFULLNAME="Ubuntu Jenkins"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>dir2deb yourpackagename. this creates the ...
[20:47] <carstenh> ... yourpackagename/debian directory needed to build the package, to actually build it you chdir to it and run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc".  this semi-automatically created package is of course nothing you could upload without modification (because of missing package description, the lack of a useful copyright ...).
[20:48] <carstenh> ubuntujenkins: if you want an example of an official package that does just place some file somewhere take a look at the source package of debian-goodies
[20:49] <ubuntujenkins> carstenh: thanks very much just what i need to know, I shall have a play with it all and see what i can come up with.
[20:51] <carstenh> ubuntujenkins: playing is a good way of learning :) the debian/rules file dir2deb creates uses a uncommon syntax since it was never thought to be published or used for educational purposes
[20:52] <ubuntujenkins> carstenh: Does that need adjusting to be correct?
[20:53] <ubuntujenkins> *corrected
[20:56] <carstenh> ubuntujenkins: it is correct. 2 + 1 = 3 is correct as is 2 + 1 = 6/2
[20:56] <ubuntujenkins> ok i see its just a different way of doing it then :)
[20:56] <carstenh> ubuntujenkins: it's just not the best example of a rules files, the place to look for such examples is /usr/share/doc/debhelper/
[21:00] <carstenh> relevant documentation from debian is linked from www.debian.org/devel but since you ask on an ubuntu channel ubuntu documentation seems to fit better, maybe you can find something useful in the urls mentioned in the channel toopic
[21:02] <ubuntujenkins> ok thanks carstenh
[21:11] <mannyv> if I wanted t ohelp out with some sru's how would i go about finding candidate packages?
[21:12] <ubuntujenkins> What i forgot to ask was when the package installs I would like it to run updmap --enable Map ccicons.map  as the last thing it does. How would i go about adding that? Is it even possible?
[21:18] <carstenh> ubuntujenkins: dh_installtex might do this already, if not, ask google: site:debian.org debian policy postinst
[21:19] <ubuntujenkins> ok thanks carstenh