[00:02] <Desciero> thanks
[00:02] <Desciero> Now I can burn the .iso via Brasero correct?
[00:02] <Desciero> just hit "Burn image"?
[00:03] <yofel> Desciero: sure, did you do a checksum test?
[00:03] <Desciero> yofel: What's a checksum test?
[00:03]  * Desciero is fresh off Windows XP
[00:04] <yofel> Desciero: on the page you should have a SHA256SUM file, please run 'sha256sum <isofile>' and check if the numbers are identical
[00:04] <yofel> Desciero: there's nothing more annoying than a failing live disk because the download got corrupted
[00:05] <Desciero> on what page?
[00:05] <yofel> Desciero: the daily page where you downloaded the image from
[00:07] <Desciero> oh
[00:07] <Desciero> I just d/led it from here: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/Alpha3
[00:08] <yofel> yes, and that will send you to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/lucid/alpha-3/ where the checksum files are located
[00:09] <yofel> (scroll down a bit on the page)
[00:10] <Desciero> ok
[00:10] <yofel> Desciero: and 'sha256sum <isofile>' is to be run in a terminal where isofile is is the name of the image you downloaded
[00:11] <Desciero> yofel: and what does this do?
[00:12] <yofel> Desciero: create a checksum of the image file, that way you can make sure that the image you have is identical with the image on the server
[00:12] <Desciero> so in the terminal type:
[00:12] <Desciero> sha256sum lucid-desktop-i386.iso?
[00:13] <Ian_Corne> I think the livecd also has a option check bootmedia?
[00:13] <yofel> lucid being an alpha there's already  several dozen things that could go wrong, so we want to make sure that at least the download isn't bad ;)
[00:13] <Ian_Corne> or something?
[00:13] <Pici> md5sum
[00:13] <yofel> Desciero: yes
[00:13] <Desciero> I see
[00:13] <yofel> Ian_Corne: sure, but this way you don't have to re-burn anything
[00:13] <Desciero> sha256sum: lucid-desktop-i386.iso: No such file or directory
[00:14] <yofel> Desciero: err, yes, where did you download the image to?
[00:14] <Desciero> Downloads
[00:15] <yofel> Desciero: then if you're in your home dir, run 'sha256sum Downloads/lucid-desktop-i386.iso'
[00:16] <Desciero> 8560966a3978319bbe537fd9225964f8fb73f570c19e1d2e669925f21c6417d2  Downloads/lucid-desktop-i386.iso
[00:16] <yofel> Desciero: ok, that's right, now you can burn it ;)
[00:16] <Desciero> now how would I know if that was right if I didn't have help like you around?
[00:17] <yofel> Desciero: you find the correct number in the SHA256SUMS file on the download page ;)
[00:17] <Desciero> Oh, and lets say I install this. When Alpha 4 comes out, can I just upgrade?
[00:17] <Desciero> ah ic
[00:18] <Ian_Corne> there's no alpha 4
[00:19] <yofel> Desciero: sure, there will be no a4 though, beta1 is to be released in 8 days
[00:19] <Ian_Corne> it's beta 1 and 2 :)
[00:19] <Ian_Corne> ha!
[00:19] <yofel> !schedule | Desciero
[00:20] <Desciero> ah ok
[00:20] <Desciero> cool
[00:20] <Desciero> now I am curious why upgrading to an unreleased OS would be better than installing, say, Jaunty?
[00:21] <Ian_Corne> Depends on what you want to do
[00:24] <BluesKaj-Laptop> Desciero, karmic is the latest stable release
[00:26] <bjorkintosh> so this time, ubuntu did it.
[00:26] <bjorkintosh> i'm unable to boot at all.
[00:27] <bjorkintosh> the old kernels won't boot either.
[00:27] <yofel> bjorkintosh: where does it stop?
[00:27] <bjorkintosh> right when the xubuntu logo lights up the screen.
[00:27] <bjorkintosh> i don't see any error messages.
[00:30] <bjorkintosh> do i need a rescue CD, or is there a way to force myself into the system to cure it of it's headaches?
[00:31] <yofel> bjorkintosh: you could try the rescue option in the grub menu to turn off the plymouth splash
[00:32] <yofel> and see if it boots then
[00:32] <yofel> if yes, try to edit the default boot entry and remove quiet splash there and check againn
[00:33] <bjorkintosh> this time it switched off the monitor.
[00:39] <dstanek> how crazy is it to install 10.04?
[00:40] <bjorkintosh> it's easy. but things break.
[00:40] <maxb> dstanek: It depends how much you care about things breaking :-)
[00:41] <maxb> Probably pretty crazy to install it on real hardware without keeping an option to dual-boot karmic
[00:41] <maxb> Speaking of things breaking..... my laptop just fscked with zero on-screen feedback at all. just a black console with a blinking cursor :-(
[00:42] <bjorkintosh> maxb is it in the middle of the screen?
[00:43] <maxb> left edge about half way up
[00:43] <maxb> just the basic flashing underscore - I wouldn't expect that to be in the middle
[00:44] <yofel> here (I have quiet splash off) fsck is indicated by a short message that it will run, if that gets replaced by other messages you have no noficiation at all -.-
[00:45] <bjorkintosh> maxb, i got the same thing.
[00:45] <bjorkintosh> is there a solution to that?
[00:46]  * yofel misses the pre-upstart fsck...
[00:46]  * maxb pines for jaunty :-)
[00:47] <bjorkintosh> what was wrong with karmic?
[00:47] <bjorkintosh> it behaved nicely for the most part.
[00:47] <yofel> bjorkintosh: thats the release upstart was actually being used the first time, and where fsck stuff broke -.-
[00:48] <Desciero> Im having trouble burning to a cd now
[00:49] <maxb> My subjective feel in my personal use-cases is that more things have broken than have been fixed, in karmic and beyond
[00:49] <Desciero> trying to install lucid to a cd
[00:49] <Desciero> with Brasero
[00:49] <Desciero> I keep getting an error
[00:49]  * yofel tends to agree with maxb
[00:49] <Desciero> yofel: is there supposed to be anything I do before I burn to cd?
[00:50] <yofel> Desciero: not that I know of, but I haven't used brasero in a long time
[00:50] <bjorkintosh> Desciero, try gnomebaker.
[00:50] <Desciero> yofel: do I have to format new CD RWs?
[00:50] <bjorkintosh> or use the wodim commandline.
[00:50] <bjorkintosh> brasero's a bit brain damaged.
[00:50] <yofel> not that I know of, try what bjorkintosh suggested
[00:51] <Desciero> ok
[00:51] <Desciero> really frustrating
[00:51] <Desciero> also, I have an external cd rom drive via usb
[00:51] <Desciero> that 9.10 isnt even picking up
[00:51] <yofel> heh
[00:51] <Desciero> no recognition whatsoever
[00:52] <yofel> Desciero: no? not even something in the 'dmesg' output? (kernel log)
[00:52] <Desciero> where is that?
[00:52]  * Desciero is new to ubuntu remember?
[00:52] <yofel> Desciero: open a terminal, run 'dmesg' ;)
[00:53] <Desciero> god theres just so much text
[00:53]  * Desciero is overwealmed
[00:54] <Desciero> all I see is mass storage device
[00:54] <yofel> Desciero: usually you run dmesg, check what the last messages are, connect the drive, wait a moment, run dmesg again, check if something got added
[00:57] <Desciero> YAY gnomebaker failed too!
[00:57] <Desciero> does anything work!?
[00:57] <DanaG> aaugh, for some reason, in 2.6.33, my mic volume is quite extremely low.
[00:58] <yofel> Desciero: WHAT error do you get?
[00:58] <Desciero> just says failed
[00:58] <Desciero> ill copy and paste the code
[00:58] <yofel> Desciero: if everything fails, you could try usb-creator if you have an at least 1GB usb flash drive
[00:59] <yofel> (and if your pc supports booting from that drive)
[00:59] <DanaG> er wait, it's fine.  pavucontrol is just showing it really low.
[01:00] <Desciero> ya its just that I already have karmic on there...
[01:00] <bjorkintosh> Desciero, are you running lucid lynx?
[01:00] <Desciero> :-(
[01:00] <Desciero> this stuff is waaay complicated
[01:00] <Desciero> and Ive been around computers for 15 years
[01:00] <Desciero> trying to
[01:00] <Desciero> no
[01:00] <Desciero> I am running karmic
[01:00] <Desciero> but my sound...just fails
[01:00] <bjorkintosh> hmm. alright.
[01:00] <Volkodav> is there a tool on a live CD that detects failed hard drive or part of it ?
[01:01] <bjorkintosh> Desciero, don't worry about the sound. you'll soon get used to the silence.
[01:01] <bjorkintosh> use the commandline option for wodim to burn your CD
[01:01] <Desciero> yay...silence
[01:01] <Desciero> :-/
[01:01] <Desciero> I cannot believe when I ask people about the sound issues they tell me to ignore it
[01:01] <Desciero> how is that a solution?
[01:02] <bjorkintosh> it's a PITA
[01:02] <Desciero> PITA?
[01:02] <bjorkintosh> you'll have to be willing to get your hands dirty.
[01:02] <bjorkintosh> pain in the ass.
[01:02] <Desciero> yeah? all for what?
[01:02] <DanaG> argh, stupid wine.
[01:02] <DanaG> hl2dm doesn't even get to the menu, under Wine.
[01:02] <DanaG> It just freezes after the logo video.
[01:02] <bjorkintosh> Desciero, otherwise, you can buy a mac :)
[01:03] <DanaG> bjorkintosh: yeah, and get kernel panics when merely copying files from a usb SD-card reader? =þ
[01:03] <DanaG> That's the sort of issues my mom's imac has had.
[01:03] <bjorkintosh> hmm.
[01:03] <bjorkintosh> if it's still under warranty, have the motherboard changed.
[01:03] <bjorkintosh> otherwise, you get precisely what you paid for with free/open source stuff.
[01:03] <DanaG> argh, stupid Wine.
[01:04] <bjorkintosh> i'm willing to get my hands dirty :)
[01:04] <DanaG> Wine is singularly unusable, in my opinion.
[01:04] <bjorkintosh> don't use it then.
[01:04] <bjorkintosh> get a seperate windows machine to do what you need.
[01:04] <DanaG> I mean, I can understand video not working properly... but for the game to not even START?
[01:04] <DanaG> No, I just boot Windows native.
[01:04] <DanaG> I was just wanting to try Wine with the open-source ATI drivers... but Wine fails badly far before that.
[01:04] <DanaG> Before I even have a chance to try video.
[01:07] <bjorkintosh> DanaG, wine's not the best solution when you need windows.
[01:07] <bjorkintosh> wine's not even an emulator!
[01:07] <DanaG> In my opinion, Wine is just "fail".
[01:07] <bjorkintosh> vmware might get you a lot farther though.
[01:08] <bjsnider> DanaG, what part of win is fail?
 In my opinion, Wine is just "fail". ← Do you really think so?
[01:09] <Nitsuga> DanaG, think a bit about it
[01:09] <Nitsuga> it is a reimpementation of the Win2 API
[01:10] <Nitsuga> Win32
[01:10] <Nitsuga> DanaG, It is Widnows, OpenSource, and running inside linux
[01:10] <Nitsuga> and by some reason, windows apps works on it
[01:10] <Nitsuga> It is almos magic.
[01:10] <Nitsuga> almost
[01:10] <DanaG> Well, it doesn't work for me.
[01:10] <DanaG> For example, HL2DM doesn't even start.
[01:10] <DanaG> Just mysteriously hangs.
[01:10] <Nitsuga> DanaG, of course it is not finished
[01:11] <Nitsuga> DanaG, can you think about how difficult is to reimplementate all the system calls that some apps do?
[01:11] <bjorkintosh> DanaG, do not use it then!
[01:11] <DanaG> Well, it USED to work fine... something in newer versions broke it.
[01:11] <Nitsuga> SOme are so weird that relys on some Windows glitch to work properly.
[01:12] <Nitsuga> DanaG, don't use the beta, use the stable one
[01:12] <Nitsuga> less app support, but less regretions, too
[01:12] <DanaG> wine-1.1.40
[01:12] <DanaG> that's the version I have.
[01:14] <Nitsuga> DanaG, 1.1.x = beta
[01:15] <Nitsuga> DanaG, install package "wine" or instell from winehq
[01:15] <bjsnider> Nitsuga, are you the head of the wine marketing dept.?
[01:16] <DanaG> What version should I install?
[01:16] <DanaG> all I see are 1.1.37 and 1.1.40.
[01:16] <Nitsuga> bjsnider, no, I just admire Wine dev's job
[01:17] <bjsnider> DanaG, did you try crossover office/games?
[01:17] <kingster> anyone having issues with the ati drivers in LL?
[01:17] <Nitsuga> DanaG, 1.0.1
[01:17] <DanaG> Not in repos.
[01:19] <Nitsuga> DanaG, It seems that the MOTU decided to put the unstable one in the repos...
[01:19] <DanaG> `````exit
[01:19] <DanaG> `quit
[01:19] <Pici> DanaG: /quit
[01:20] <DanaG> sorry, was trying to put that in hl2dm console.
[01:21] <kingster> that would be the window over there  --->
[01:21] <DanaG> nope, that would be the window I had to ctrl-alt-escape and xkill.
[01:23] <bjorkintosh> so wine, which has NOTHING to do with why karmic is giving me a blank screen, has taken over this space.
[01:23] <bjorkintosh> thanks for the red herring, danag.
[01:23] <DanaG> hmm, karmic, or lucid?
[01:23] <bjorkintosh> lucid.
[01:23] <DanaG> speaking of lucid, my netbook gives me weird behavior: it sits on plymouth indefinitely, unless I disable splash.
[01:24] <bjorkintosh> that's the problem i'm getting.
[01:24] <bjorkintosh> except, it does nothing after that.
[01:24] <yofel> my desktop does that too, unless I purge plymouth from chroot
[01:25] <bjorkintosh> how did you get rid of plymouth?
[01:25] <bjorkintosh> ... from grub?
[01:26] <DanaG> hit 'e' to go to 'edit' mode, and remove 'splash'
[01:26] <yofel> bjorkintosh: didn't. tried to disable splash, but sysrq+k gave me a 'plymouth killed' message so it just doesn't want to disable itself
[01:26] <yofel> bjorkintosh: had to boot a livedisk, chroot and purge plymouth
[01:26] <bjorkintosh> bah.
[01:26] <bjorkintosh> i bypass it, but it still misbehaves!
[01:26] <bjorkintosh> is there something else running in the background?
[01:27] <yofel> that was ~3 weeks ago, I'll test it again once the beta comes out
[01:27] <yofel> bjorkintosh: well, since we now use upstart, you have absolutely no chance of knowing what is run at which point during the boot, except for some depenency definitions that you can use to make wild guesses
[01:28] <bjorkintosh> that's great.
[01:28] <yofel> when I disabled quiet splash, I got a few mountall messages, then something about some modem-manager (wth is that?) and then STOP
[01:29] <bjorkintosh> i got the mount messages.
[01:29] <bjorkintosh> and then a flashing cursing to the left and middle of the screen.
[01:29] <bjorkintosh> the only thing it responds to is ctl-alt-de;l
[01:32] <kingster> no one having ati issues?
[01:32] <kingster> really?
[01:32] <kingster> I find that hard to believe with all the crap I'm dealing with.
[01:32]  * kingster sighs
[01:33] <Nitsuga> kingster, everybody has/had ATI issues
[01:33] <Nitsuga> kingster, that's because we use nVidia and Intel mostly
[01:34] <bjorkintosh> intel sucks as well.
[01:34] <bjorkintosh> i don't want to talk about it.
[01:34] <kingster> great.  alas, on a notebook, one doesn't always get to choose
[01:34] <yofel> bjorkintosh: sure, but at least less than it did in jaunty
[01:35] <bjorkintosh> less? you mean vastly more?
[01:35] <bjorkintosh> requiring no less than 10 random reboots in a single day?
[01:35] <bjorkintosh> sometimes in a single hour?
[01:35] <bjorkintosh> i'm using lucid afterall, it's expected.
[01:36] <bjorkintosh> but it's a bit excessive since it seems to always come from the same source.
[01:36] <yofel> bjorkintosh: not here... (945GME)
[01:36] <Nitsuga> bjorkintosh, did you try disabling plymouth
[01:36] <Nitsuga> almos all the bugs in lucid are sovlved by removing plymouth...
[01:36] <yofel> at least as long as it involves booting or X
[01:37] <bjorkintosh> Nitsuga, it says 'plymouth main process killed by SEGV signal'
[01:37] <bjorkintosh> but it does *nothing* after that.
[01:37] <bjorkintosh> it just gives me a blinking cursor.
[01:38] <bjorkintosh> i'm assuming that taking out the splash option in grub should do the trick, right?
[01:39] <DanaG>  BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter)
[01:41] <Desciero> ok just installed Lucid...noticed graphics were off so I am updating  found a lot of updates
[01:42] <yofel> Desciero: lucid usually gets a ton of updates (every day)
[01:42] <Desciero> yofel: cool
[01:42] <Desciero> yofel: hopefully this will work
[01:42] <yofel> Desciero: that isn't necessarily good ;)
[01:42] <Desciero> I ended up booting from my USB
[01:43] <Desciero> true
[01:43] <Desciero> the USB start up creator has probably worked the best for me so far
[01:43] <Desciero> no problems
[01:45] <DanaG> heh, now even winecfg won't run.
[01:46] <bjorkintosh> DanaG, why are you using WINE?
[01:46] <DanaG> trying to see how well it works with ATI open-source drivers.
[01:47] <bjorkintosh> why?
[01:47] <DanaG> As it is right now, it fails far before the 3d capabilities are even an issue.
[01:47] <boondoklife> I have a laptop im trying to install lucid on, but I just get a black screen after I choose to install, should I try the alternative install cd?
[01:47] <bjorkintosh> boondoklife, karmic!
[01:47] <boondoklife> bjorkintosh: ?
[01:47] <boondoklife> bjorkintosh: no lucid! =P
[01:48] <bjorkintosh> no.
[01:48] <bjorkintosh> wait until they're done fixing it.
[01:48] <yofel> boondoklife: what image did you use? alpha3 or daily?
[01:48] <boondoklife> why I have it on another lappy running just fine.
[01:48] <boondoklife> alpha3
[01:49] <yofel> boondoklife: try a daily image and see if it's fixed there maybe (and are the graphics cards different?)
[01:49] <boondoklife> bjorkintosh: they are not mission critical boxes, just one is ati and the other is nvidia
[01:49] <yofel> !daily > boondoklife
[01:49] <boondoklife> yofel: ati/nvidia
[01:49] <boondoklife> yofel: thanks
[01:49] <yofel> boondoklife: then it could be some plymouth/nouveau/... whatever issue
[01:50] <boondoklife> yofel: that is what I was afraid of.. thanks
[01:52] <mjs7231> Can someone help me fix some themes (ie: reinstall somehow).. they are all fucked with all these lucid updates
[01:52] <Ian_Corne> ubuntu is for losers
[01:52] <Ian_Corne> go osx
[01:52] <yofel> !language | mjs7231
[01:52] <mjs7231> ubottu, Sorry. :)
[01:52] <histo> mjs7231: ubottu is a bot
[01:53] <histo> mjs7231: not a person
[01:53] <mjs7231> Well then sorry to yofel. :)
[01:53] <mjs7231> lol
[01:53] <histo> !ot > Ian_Corne
[01:53] <yofel> mjs7231: np ;)
[01:53] <histo> mjs7231: it switched the default theme. You can select human if you want to go back.
[01:53] <mjs7231> ok, so.. back to the issue..here is a screenshot of Dust (I am trying to fix it).. (2 sec)
[01:53] <histo> mjs7231: there is also a post on the forums on how to get the buttons for windows back on the right.
[01:55] <histo> Is there any update notification in lucid i've never see one?  But I usually run an upgrade every night because its not notifying me.
[01:55] <mjs7231> http://i.imgur.com/Y7DQv.jpg
[01:55] <mjs7231> histo, Its not about the new theme..
[01:55] <histo> then what is the problem?
[01:55] <mjs7231> Take a look at that screenshot.  It shows the sides of the windows all screwy, using the wrong theme or something..
[01:55] <yofel> histo: I think update-manager should pop up at some point if there are updates (did you use hardy before that?)
[01:56] <mjs7231> No, this is a fresh install of Lucid from about 3 weeks ago
[01:56] <mjs7231> I have been getting updates every day
[01:56] <histo> yofel: way back in the day I did
[01:56] <histo> mjs7231: thats how the dust theme looks
[01:57] <yofel> histo: I mean, as the notification behaviour was already changed during jaunty I think
[01:57] <mjs7231> histo, Its not. I have been using dust for about a year now, the sides never had this out of place 5px rounded border.  And the status bar never had a white border around window titles before.
[01:58] <mjs7231> this is how the sides are supposed to look: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/DustTheme
[01:58] <Nitsuga> mjs7231, and so what? New Age theme has changed a lot since INtrepid
[01:58] <Nitsuga> I used to like it, but now it is ugly.
[01:58] <mjs7231> So, maybe I am going crazy.. but this clearly looks out of place to me..
[01:59] <mjs7231> and it only happened after some updates.. about 2 weeks ago
[01:59] <yofel> hm, this looks indeed different from the dust I remember in karmic
[01:59] <mjs7231> after a fresh fresh install.. it didn't look like this
[02:00] <mjs7231> Where there perhaps updates to Metacity or something that broke old themes?
[02:00] <Nitsuga> mjs7231, one of the updates changed it
[02:00] <Nitsuga> mjs7231, in the wiki, you can see # Dust Borderless - A version of the Dust window borders theme with a thin frame, like 0.4 or older.
[02:01] <mjs7231> I downloaded the DUst theme from the website and it too has these messed up sides..
[02:01] <mjs7231> Maybe it's just not updated to work with an updated Metacity
[02:02] <yofel> mjs7231: it's as Nitsuga said, dust 0.5 just has these thick borders
[02:02] <mjs7231> yofel, I really don't think it does tho.. Im running Karmic at work and the theme looks fine to me (normal borders)
[02:03] <yofel> mjs7231: well, karmic has 0.4...
[02:03] <mjs7231> yofel, ahhh... lemme try downloading 0.4 then..
[02:03] <yofel> from the gnome-themes-ubuntu changelog: * Update Dust{-Sand} to lp:~dusttheme-dev/dusttheme/0.5
[02:04] <mjs7231> yofel, I guess the designer was smoking at the time. ;)
[02:05] <mjs7231> The release notes advertise "New window borders" (I missed that before)
[02:08] <mjs7231> Hey look at that.. 0.4 fixed the borders.. just some nasty-ness around the desktop background now and the panel
[02:08] <mjs7231> so.. next issue..
[02:08] <mjs7231> Do you guys ever get a 1 or 2 pixel white border around your desktop wallpaper in Lucid?
[02:09] <kingster> i did, once.
[02:09] <mjs7231> You can also sorta see that in the screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/Y7DQv.jpg.  Its rather distracting, and the fix I have found was to open Ubuntu Tweak and enable / disable showing desktop icons.
[02:09] <ZykoticK9> mjs7231, running "nautilus --quit" will remove it (someone mentioned this fix earler today)
[02:09] <kingster> but don't look to me for answers, since my lappy still isn't running right
[02:09] <mjs7231> that works for a little, while then it comes back sometimes
[02:09] <mjs7231> ZykoticK9, trying it now, 2 sec
[02:10] <mjs7231> ZykoticK9, that works.. thanks.
[02:10] <mjs7231> so this is a known issue..
[02:10] <mjs7231> making sure im not alone. :)
[02:25] <Desciero> yofel: Installed Lucid and it appears my graphics and sound are not working properly
[02:28] <yofel> Desciero: what graphics card do you have? (run 'lspci | grep VGA' to find out)
[02:28] <Desciero> ATI Mobility Radeon 9600
[02:28] <Desciero> or M10
[02:28] <yofel> can't help if it's ati, I don't have one
[02:34] <Desciero> well
[02:34] <Desciero> back to windows I suppose
[02:34] <Desciero> lol
[02:48] <crimsun> yofel: pong
[02:52] <kklimonda> argh, what is the font that is used in Ubuntu empathy theme for conversations?
[03:13] <perscitus> Anyone tried booting Lucid in vbox?
[03:13] <ZykoticK9> perscitus, yes
[03:14] <perscitus> It doesnt work for me
[03:14] <ZykoticK9> perscitus, are you using the OSE version from Ubuntu repo?
[03:14] <perscitus> yeah
[03:14] <ZykoticK9> you need to add acpi=off i think let me check
[03:14] <lenios> OSE version can boot lucid, i tried it
[03:15] <ZykoticK9> perscitus, bug #510571
[03:15] <perscitus> oh ACPI bug between Lucid and OSE
[03:15] <ZykoticK9> perscitus, i haven't had this issues with the version from Oracle
[03:16] <crimsun> which version?
[03:16] <perscitus> ZykoticK9,   ACPI off works then
[03:16] <crimsun> 3,1,4?
[03:16] <ZykoticK9> crimsun, you asking me or perscitus?
[03:16] <mjs7231> Does Metacity support alpha transparency on the rounded corners?
[03:16] <arand> 3.1.4 has the fix in
[03:17] <lenios> what's the version shipped with karmic?
[03:17] <arand> 1.2 I think
[03:17] <arand> And afaik, the version in lucid also struggles with it
[03:18] <arand> Oh, hang on, no, karmic is 3.0.8 Lucid presumably 3.1.2
[03:18] <perscitus> Why did Pidgin get dropped?
[03:19] <lenios> i remember booting it two days ago, i even took a screen of it, but i don't remember deactivating acpi
[03:19] <lenios> perscitus, isn't that late to ask?
[03:20] <perscitus> lenios,   it was bad decision, who ever made it
[03:21] <arand> lenios: might be something with the arch of the host as well, the original upstream bug mentioned it not happening on 64bit host, but I don't know...
[03:21] <cowbud> I used to be able to scroll up and down with my mouse wheel and it would move my cursor in vim, that seems to have stopped anyone know how to enable that? it was akin to hitting the up arrow and I think that behaviour was changed or something
[03:22] <lenios> oh, i have 64bit host
[03:22] <lenios> perscitus, it depends how you look at it
[03:23] <perscitus> lenios,  Drop featureful app for a featureless app. Sounds bad to me
[03:24] <ZykoticK9> perscitus, that decision was made in Karmic -- you can just install/use Pidgin if yo prefer it (I do)
[03:25] <mjs7231> empathy is my IM client of choice..
[03:25] <mjs7231> Maybe I prefer to just not care.. :-P
[03:26] <mjs7231> I think Empathy was picked up because it supports video
[03:32] <lenios> empathy was chosen because of better audio/video support, better integration in gnome desktop, and for being more alive than pidgin
[03:33] <lenios> it was lacking a few features though, like file transfer in most protocols
[03:44] <lenios> hmmm, decided to try gwibber on lucid, this is actually a great program to check on FB
[03:44] <mjs7231> My experiance with Gwibber is very poor.   I need to file a bug report (or see if it's already reported)
[04:34] <yofel> the package in the ubuntu project is 'light-themes'
[04:34] <thebwt> thanks yofel
[05:16] <kklimonda> so apparently gwibber decided to store over 100MB of messages in the desktop couchdb..
[05:26] <digital_1> For the love of all that's holy, don't let the new purple-colored branding make it to release.
[05:26] <digital_1> I appreciate the hard work that went into it, it just looks wrong
[05:26] <digital_1> It looks not just a step backward, but like 10 steps backward.  Like something from early RedHat
[05:27] <digital_1> Is there someplace we can leave feedback or is Ubuntu totally already committed to the purple abomination?
[05:28] <digital_1> Anyone?
[05:29] <digital_1> Hello?
[05:29] <digital_1> what about you, ubottu?
[05:29] <digital_1> !lucid
[05:30] <ZykoticK9> digital_1, you could "try" to file a bug - but i'm guessing it will get a "won't fix"
[05:31] <digital_1> Honestly, don't you think its a step backward?
[05:31] <digital_1> But I will definitely take your advice.
[05:32] <ZykoticK9> digital_1, are you talking about the terminal color?
[05:32] <yofel> digital_1: if you're motivated you could ask in #ubuntu-artwork where to complain  about artwork
[05:33] <digital_1> More than the terminal color.  I mean the color scheme is just wrong looking.
[05:34] <digital_1> And I wouldn't care much except that this is more of a future direction branding standard.
[05:34] <digital_1> I've showed it to a bunch of people who think it's a step backward.
[05:34] <ZykoticK9> digital_1, i'm not a big fan of the new themes (lack of transparency in panel, buttons on left)...  what can you do?  Ubuntu is not a democracy, had to remind myself of that.
[05:35] <digital_1> I understand we can change a them, but realistically this default theme is the face of Ubuntu and I can hardly believe that it is going to represent us positively.
[05:35] <digital_1> Your are 100% right about the buttons and transparency.
[05:36] <digital_1> I mean if the charge of  Mark S. was to have a world-class desktop interface this thing is far from hitting the target
[05:37] <digital_1> yofel:  Thanks, I'll head over there
[05:38] <ZykoticK9> digital_1, as there really isn't much way to provide feedback regarding these changes, you might want to cast a vote at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1422422 regarding the left/right buttons
[06:42] <chocamo> how can I make user automatically be samba users?
[07:51] <jimlovell777> I'm running Alpha3 With all updates as of a few minutes ago applied and some icons in my status area have a white box around them. How can I tell/find what's causing it?
[07:52] <jimlovell777> also there are now two unselectable updates in the update manager, parted and udisks.
[07:55] <jakubo> cannot set sound settings via gui, says: waiting for sound system or so, an pulseaudio doesnt really start, and tries to send a lot over network
[07:56] <jakubo> besides, how can i change the red X on windows back to the right side? is it meant to be some mac impression?
[07:59] <ripps> Does anybody know how to suspend the computer using dbus or commandline? I'm trying to get my old dbus sleep timer script working, but the dbus path it used to use isn't valid anymore.
[08:00] <jakubo> brb
[08:08] <jimlovell777> ripps: pmi action suspend?
[08:08] <ripps> jimlovell777: does it require sudo?
[08:09] <jimlovell777> dont think so, if you wait a sec I'll try it. It'll log me off
[08:09] <jakubo> anyone for sound?
[08:10] <jimlovell777> lol it works without sudo, you do have to install powermanagment-interface though
[08:11] <ripps> jimlovell777: thanks, I just need a command that would work without sudo
[08:11] <jimlovell777> You're welcome.
[08:13] <ripps> jimlovell777: hmm... it seems that pmi requires hal, I was hoping I could keep hal off my system
[08:14] <jimlovell777> ripps: OK, I'll look for another solution.
[08:18] <jimlovell777> ripps: Are you willing to add a prog to the sudoers file?
[08:18] <ripps> jimlovell777: I can, I used to use a dbus-send method, doesn't upower use dbus?
[08:19] <jimlovell777> ripps: I'm not sure.
[08:21] <ripps> jimlovell777: I figured it out, it's `dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest="org.freedesktop.UPower" /org/freedesktop/UPower org.freedesktop.UPower.Suspend`
[08:22] <jimlovell777> ripps: :)
[08:22] <ripps> I was close before, but I had the capitilization wrong
[08:35] <BUGabundo_remote> morning
[08:57] <schmidtm> hi, i can not update parted, udisks and other programs as they depend on libparted0 but it is not installable
[08:57] <jakubo> just wait a few days XD
[08:57] <jakubo> should be alright then
[08:58] <jakubo> not the first time there are such dependencies
[08:59] <jakubo> but well, maybe someone else knows about it
[08:59] <jakubo> i gtg
[09:17] <SalmonSam> anyone else not able to enable desktop effects with the nvidia 173 drivers (from nvidia) ? , I haven't been able to since the first alpha (don't think the drivers worked at all then :p)
[09:45] <zniavre> salm it works here and quite well
[09:45] <zniavre> oops he's gone
[10:18] <aprilhare> hey
[10:18] <aprilhare> we're coming up on kernelfreeze aren't we?
[10:18] <aprilhare> has gscpa been updated for new kernel? I want my Microsoft webcam to work in Lucid... it didn't in Karmic despite it working with beta kernels
[10:19] <aprilhare> i tested 2.6.30 kernel beta and my webcam worked - but i go ahead with 2.6.31 kernel and support got thrown out?
[10:19] <aprilhare> what's up with that?
[10:20]  * aprilhare wishes he had time to test lucid better
[10:20] <hifi> doesn't lucid have 2.6.32
[10:23] <yofel> it does
[10:25] <zniavre> im wondering why with 2.6.32-16 nvidia driver from nvidia.com are uninstallable ?
[10:25] <zniavre> 173.14.25*
[10:25] <zniavre> it can work with 2.6.32-15
[10:26] <SandGorgon> anyone using lucid with proprietary nvidia and/or broadcom wireless ? those are two things that I need before installing lucid...
[10:27] <cdE|Woozy> hey, I have a dell latitude e6400 with a docking station. if I plug my speakers into the dock lineout, the notebook speakers are turned off, but I don't get any sound from the speakers I plugged in. it was working a few months ago, does anyone have a suggestion what it could be?
[10:27] <Ian_Corne> I'm using lucid with said nvidia driver
[10:27] <yofel> ziroday: I think there's a drm update, could be that
[10:27] <cdE|Woozy> I checked whether some output was just muted, but couldn't find any
[10:27] <SandGorgon> Ian_Corne, everything works fine ?
[10:27] <Ian_Corne> yes
[10:27] <Ian_Corne> for me at least
[10:28] <Ian_Corne> 6200 card
[10:29] <SandGorgon> great... all that remains is the broadcom driver and bug432946 makes me wanna double check
[10:29] <yofel> bug 432946
[10:31] <SandGorgon> hmmm.. yofel https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/broadcom-sta/+bug/532946
[10:31] <yofel> SandGorgon: and my nvidia 7300GT works fine too with 195, but I think someone said that the 195 beta  driver has cooling issues with some cards
[10:32] <SandGorgon> yofel, 196.75 drivers
[10:36] <yofel> SandGorgon: that bug seems more like an network issue to me 'cannot resolve archive.ubuntu.com'
[10:37] <SandGorgon> yofel, true!
[10:39] <zniavre> Ian_Corne,  did you talk to me about your 6200 card ?
[10:39] <Ian_Corne> no
[10:39] <Ian_Corne> what do you want to know?
[10:39] <Ian_Corne> i'm also using the 195.75 drivers
[10:39] <Ian_Corne> mostly because I don't care about that car :p
[10:39] <Ian_Corne> card
[10:40] <zniavre> nothing thank you
[10:44] <SandGorgon> Ian_Corne, IMHO it is the 196.75 that  are problematic
[10:44] <Ian_Corne> yes
[10:44] <Ian_Corne> it is
[10:45] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yoy
[10:57] <ActionParsnip> looks like no issues I guess huh
[12:02] <soc> hi
[12:03] <soc> are there plans to get intellij packaged for ubuntu 10.04?
[12:10] <soc> for reference fedora's steps to integrate it: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/IntelliJ_IDEA
[12:10] <soc> it is a fature of fedora 13
[12:10] <soc> i checked the libraries, looks like ubuntu already has most of the libraries needed
[12:31] <vistakiller> i think i have find the solution from my internnet problem
[12:31] <vistakiller> the was from ipv6
[12:31] <vistakiller> and this bug
[12:31] <vistakiller> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/eglibc/+bug/417757
[12:31] <vistakiller> questions
[12:31] <vistakiller> do i have to bug report to launchpad?
[12:32] <vistakiller> i have disable ipv6 with this command
[12:32] <vistakiller> [code]echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6
[12:32] <vistakiller> [/code]
[12:32] <vistakiller> is there better solution for disabling ipv6?
[12:37] <vistakiller> to ftiaksa re pousti mou :D
[12:37] <vistakiller> i kalitera to vrika to provlima kai eimoun ena vima prin to format
[12:42] <DrHalan> hey, im looking for hord3d packages for lucid (www.horde3d.org) are there any? Is the deadline for new packages already passed?
[12:45] <vistakiller> sorry wrong chat
[13:00] <irvine> after upgrading to lucid the desktop won't load... i log on (correct pw, no error) and it just goes back to the log on screen... any ideas?
[13:17] <Starcraftmazter> hello!
[13:17] <Starcraftmazter> can i generally report something i dont like about 10.04 in the hopes that someone will take note
[13:18] <Starcraftmazter> with rhythmbox, it used to be that you could put it to the tray and pop it up by clicking on its icon, but now you have to close it (x) to hide, and then click its icon and select 'show' from the menu
[13:18] <Starcraftmazter> kind of extra work, i liked it when it was simpler
[13:18] <Starcraftmazter> also, when you hover over its icon, the song playing is no longer shown :(
[13:23] <kklimonda> Starcraftmazter: both issues are design decisions and both were reported
[13:24] <Starcraftmazter> where does one report those things anyway
[13:24] <Kano> hi, is the new pink surface for women or why is it PINK?
[13:25] <kklimonda> Starcraftmazter: on Launchpad
[13:25] <kklimonda> Kano: where is it pink?
[13:25] <kklimonda> I only see orange
[13:26] <Kano> kklimonda: did you dl a daily iso
[13:26] <kklimonda> Kano: I've updated yesterday
[13:27] <Kano> i dl the iso right now
[13:28] <Kano> today: ubi-partman failed with exit code 141
[13:28] <Kano> it seems i never can do a pure lucid install
[13:28] <Doc_exe> purple...
[13:29] <kklimonda> well, it's aubergine but I guess purple is close enough
[13:29] <lenios> it's aubergine?
[13:31] <yofel> for everyone that doesn't use the default: check the new /usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png
[13:31] <yofel> looks like some unsharp outer space nebula to me...
[13:31] <kklimonda> $ file /usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png
[13:31] <kklimonda> /usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png: JPEG image data
[13:31] <kklimonda> heh
[13:32] <yofel> ah, that would explain why dolphin refuses to make a preview of it o.O
[13:33] <kklimonda> and it can't be fixed :D
[13:34] <kklimonda> well, bug has been reported in 2008 so there has to be a reason
[13:39] <bjsnider> there are no dellbuntu systems available in canada right now
[13:39] <bjsnider> it's an outrage
[13:40] <kklimonda> bjsnider: heh, neither in Poland and 90% of other countries ;)
[13:42] <bjsnider> violence must ensue
[13:42] <jpds> bjsnider: That doesn't sound very Ubuntuy.
[13:44] <bjsnider> i need a system with no os
[13:44] <bjsnider> that would be better than windows
[13:45] <bjsnider> windows does not improve on the sight of a blank screen
[13:48] <mescalinum> damn this is getting worse and worse
[13:49] <mescalinum> I can't use my netbook anymore
[13:49] <mescalinum> gdm freezes as soon as I attempt a login
[13:51]  * mescalinum at least SysRq+K still works
[13:55] <nperry> Why is wine 1.1.40 in lucid, Isn't that the dev version of wine :s
[13:56] <kklimonda> nperry: there are two wine packages - wine and wine12
[13:56] <kklimonda> wine1.2 even
[13:56] <kklimonda> oh wait, both are 1.1.40 now
[13:56] <kklimonda> oh well
[13:57] <BUGabundo_remote> !info wine1.2
[13:57] <kklimonda> nperry: wine is such a tool that it has no real stable version
[13:57] <nperry> Thats what i though :)
[13:57] <irvine> any idea why lucid stops loading my desktop and returns to the login screen?
[13:57] <BUGabundo_remote> what a mistake
[13:57] <irvine> or how i could see what stops loading it..
[13:58] <kklimonda> irvine: you press enter, 2 or shift+2?
[13:58] <nperry> kklimonda: Just getting some weird porblems, namely spotify not able to minimize to panel
[13:58] <nperry> It instead makes a desktop icon
[13:58] <kklimonda> irvine: does it happen every time?
[13:58] <nperry> ubottu: Your slow :P
[13:58] <kklimonda> nperry: you should be happy it works at all ;)
[13:59] <irvine> kklimonda: yeah... boot it up and it shows the login screen... click on my profile icon and enter password
[13:59] <irvine> screen turns black and then returns to login screen
[13:59] <kklimonda> irvine: ach
[13:59] <kklimonda> irvine: have you tried gnome safe session?
[13:59] <irvine> can't select any sessions in the bar below...
[14:00] <irvine> its greyed out
[14:00] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[14:42] <owaislone> hey
[14:42] <owaislone> have a problem with Lucid
[14:42] <owaislone> Lucid Alpha 3 installs fine
[14:42] <owaislone> but after i update packages... weird stuff happends
[14:42] <owaislone> X starts to hang/crash
[14:43] <bjorkintosh> owaislone, it's lucid.
[14:43] <owaislone> nautilus never works
[14:43] <owaislone> yes LUCID
[14:43] <bjorkintosh> karmic might be your friend.
[14:43] <owaislone> i dnt want karmic
[14:43] <bjorkintosh> why not?
[14:43] <owaislone> i was running karmic a week ago
[14:43] <owaislone> cause i want to use lucid
[14:43] <bjorkintosh> you like to live on the wild side huh?
[14:43] <Doc_exe> most likely plymouth issue... i am still seeing some issues on start up with my nvidia vid card
[14:43] <owaislone> ya.. sort of
[14:44] <owaislone> i have intel
[14:44] <djburns> On intel, plymouth should be fine
[14:45] <owaislone> no plymouth is ok
[14:45] <owaislone> i installed lucid like a million times
[14:45] <djburns> Are the nautilus and xserver issues related or seperate
[14:45] <owaislone> and i did try to see if it was plymmouth
[14:45] <owaislone> seperate
[14:46] <owaislone> see, the problem is it's very hard to narrow down the suspect packages
[14:46] <owaislone> i dnt want to instal a few and restart
[14:46] <djburns> Ok. What's up with your xserver?
[14:46] <owaislone> and repeat
[14:46] <owaislone> it freezes when i hit ente
[14:46] <jimlovell777> After the latest round of updates I have to log in twice. Anyone else experience this?
[14:46] <owaislone> return ke
[14:46] <owaislone> key
[14:47] <djburns> When you're in a program or anytime
[14:47] <owaislone> anytime
[14:47] <djburns> And is it every time
[14:47] <owaislone> be it the terminal
[14:47] <owaislone> or menus
[14:47] <owaislone> yes
[14:48] <owaislone> every time
[14:48] <owaislone> should i wait till beta 1 and then update my packages?
[14:48] <djburns> That would be the easiest solution
[14:48] <djburns> Try holding back xserver updates
[14:49] <owaislone> i'm so tired of installing lucid again and again
[14:50] <owaislone> guess i'll wait till beta1
[14:50] <owaislone> thought someone might have had similar issues....
[14:50] <owaislone> anyways thanks a lot
[14:50] <djburns> have you searched the bug reports?
[14:50] <owaislone> yes
[14:50] <djburns> Sorry I can't be of more help
[14:51] <owaislone> found a couple regarding the X freezes
[14:51] <owaislone> but they were for jaunty and FIXED
[14:54] <djburns> Might be worth filling in a bug report. It would be a great help if you could track down the package that causes it
[14:56] <djburns> Unless anyone here has any ideas?
[14:58] <djburns> Moving on then. What's up with nautilus?
[14:58] <owaislone> it works only for root
[14:58] <owaislone> i thought it might be my config files
[14:58] <owaislone> so i removed all the . files from #home
[14:59] <owaislone> $home
[14:59] <owaislone> but it still happens
[14:59] <owaislone> segmentation fault
[14:59] <owaislone> even created a new user... but same problem
[14:59] <djburns> Who owns the nautilus config files in your home?
[15:00] <owaislone> i do
[15:00] <owaislone> permissions are fine
[15:00] <owaislone> at least in my $home
[15:01] <djburns> Does it seg fault at the start? Before showing up?
[15:03] <_stink_> anyone know where I can find .debs of previous 2.6.32 versions for lucid?  it seems that -16 has broken virtualbox guest additions, and i'd like to go back to -15, but it's not in the repo anymore.
[15:05] <_stink_> this install was just done today, so i don't have -15 installed locally and available via grub.
[15:08] <Italian_Plumber> installing on a vm... I run "Update this installer" and it seems to hang on 99%.
[15:11] <irvine> trying a apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop...
[15:16] <irvine> that seems to have fixed the lot. Rebooting to be sure (hangs on clicking reboot heh..)
[15:18] <irvine> Yep, auto-logon working fine again too!
[15:21] <nperry> Finally got nouveau working :)
[15:22] <alex_mayorga> nperry: how?
[15:23] <nperry> Got rid of all the stuff from  xorg-crackers ppa
[15:23] <lenios> Italian_Plumber, yeah, same here on netbook
[15:23] <nperry> Lucid repo nouveau seems to be working fine
[15:24] <lenios> no way to cancel it, i had to reboot
[15:24] <alex_mayorga> so I remove xorg-edgers PPA?
[15:24] <nperry> Yeah then downgrade everything to the lucid repo
[15:24] <nperry> then i rebooted, it worked
[15:24] <BUGabundo_remote> you better run purge-ppa alex_mayorga
[15:24] <alex_mayorga> nperry: let me try that
[15:24] <nperry> alex_mayorga: Or what BUGabundo_remote said
[15:24] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo_remote: enlighten me, please
[15:24] <nperry> I went the long way around it
[15:25] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo_remote: does that take parameters
[15:25] <BUGabundo_remote> alex_mayorga $ purge-ppa
[15:25] <BUGabundo_remote> :P
[15:25] <nperry> ppa-purge will purge the ppa and downgrade the packages automatticaly
[15:25] <BUGabundo_remote> the funny part: its in xodgers ppa
[15:25] <BUGabundo_remote> LOLOLOLOL
[15:25] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo_remote: command not found :P
[15:25] <BUGabundo_remote> install it
[15:25] <nperry> alex_mayorga: sudo aptitude install ppa-purge
[15:26] <nperry> Before you delete the repo :P
[15:26] <nperry> as its within xorg-crackers
[15:26] <BUGabundo_remote> oh!
[15:26] <BUGabundo_remote> didn't know that ppa
[15:27] <alex_mayorga> nperry: different from edgers I assume
[15:27] <nperry> I meant edgers
[15:28] <nperry> Its just becuase there launchpad says crack pushers and keep mixing the names
[15:28] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo_remote: for the record, the command is ppa-purge
[15:30] <alex_mayorga> no joy "Warning:  Could not find package list for PPA: xorg-edgers ppa"
[15:30] <nperry> Hummmm could be xorg-edgers/noueau
[15:30] <nperry> *nouveau
[15:31] <alex_mayorga> nperry: neither
[15:31] <alex_mayorga> is there a way to list PPAs in CLI?
[15:32] <nperry> I just use software sources in the menu..
[15:33] <alex_mayorga> I have http://ppa.launchpad.net/xorg-edgers/nouveau/ubuntu
[15:33] <alex_mayorga> but when I do "sudo ppa-purge xorg-edgers"
[15:33] <alex_mayorga> I get "Warning:  Could not find package list for PPA: xorg-edgers ppa"
[15:33] <alex_mayorga> a ppa-purge bug, maybe?
[15:34] <nperry> Maybe, as i said I did mine all manually!
[15:35] <vistakiller> i have this problem and to lucid
[15:35] <vistakiller> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/eglibc/+bug/417757
[15:35] <alex_mayorga> nperry: I see, never used ppa-purge before, so chances are I'm doing something wrong
[15:35] <nperry> remove the ppa
[15:35] <vistakiller> is there a bug report for lucid or i have to create new one?
[15:35] <alex_mayorga> nperry: disabled, would that do?
[15:36] <nperry> then did sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/lucid libdrm/lucid linux-backports-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>/lucid
[15:36] <nperry> That will downgrade from the ppa to lucid repo
[15:37] <vistakiller> you have problems with nvidia driver?
[15:37] <kklimonda> vistakiller: it's already reported and tracked for Lucid
[15:37] <nperry> As all i was getting with the edgers ppa was drm unable to open device
[15:37] <vistakiller> kklimonda i have to disable ipv6 to get network back
[15:38] <alex_mayorga> nperry: E: Couldn't find package libdrm
[15:38] <kklimonda> vistakiller: than this is another bug
[15:38] <kklimonda> vistakiller: from the description: "If disabling IPv6 (...) does fixes the problem, you are not dealing with this bug."
[15:38] <kklimonda> vistakiller: you have to report a new bug then
[15:38] <nperry> libdrm-nouveau1/lucid
[15:38] <nperry> sorry
[15:38] <fr500> hey
[15:39] <nperry> maybe without the 1 can't remeber
[15:39] <fr500> is there a way to put back the window icons? i moved the buttons to right
[15:39] <fr500> but I'd like to have the window icon back if possible
[15:39] <alex_mayorga> nperry: E: Couldn't find package linux-backports-modules-<IP_ADDRESS> :(
[15:40] <vistakiller> i have this too "all network apps / browsers suffer from multi-second delays" and i have to disable ipv6 and my net now works fine
[15:40] <vistakiller> i think is the same bug
[15:40] <nperry> linux-backports-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-generic/lucid
[15:41] <kklimonda> vistakiller: but have you read the description, especially the part I have pasted here?
[15:41] <nperry> Sorry I did it from memory rather then looking at the real names
[15:42] <alex_mayorga> nperry: can you paste the whole thing, please?
[15:42] <vistakiller> yes but...i read about ipv6 problems with ubuntu
[15:42] <vistakiller> in too many forum
[15:42] <vistakiller> my english is poor to create one new bug report
[15:42] <nperry> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/lucid libdrm-nouveau1/lucid linux-backports-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-generic/lucid
[15:42] <nperry> I think :)
[15:42] <vistakiller> is there an old somewhere?
[15:43] <vlt> Hello. I installed lucid on my notebook and after a few seconds of running X it freezes.  I can ssh in but the screen remains dark, even when I try to `restart lxdm`. This is Xorg.log: http://www.pastebin.org/108661
[15:44] <nperry> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/lucid libdrm-nouveau1/lucid  linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-16-generic/lucid nouveau-firmware/lucid
[15:44] <nperry> ^^ should do it better alex_mayorga
[15:45] <alex_mayorga> nperry: thanks, but not quite "E: Release 'lucid' for 'linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-16-generic' was not found"
[15:46] <nperry> Odd try sudo apt-get purge linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-16-generic
[15:46] <nperry> It might offer a downgrade
[15:47] <nperry> If it doesn't allow it to purge then sudo apt-get update and install that package
[15:47] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[15:47] <nperry> And then best to do sudo update-initramfs -u before you reboot
[15:48] <alex_mayorga> nperry: it will nuke xserver-xorg-video-all and xserver-xorg-video-nouveau as well
[15:49] <alex_mayorga> nperry: trying
[15:49] <nperry> Let it nuke them and reinstall
[15:49] <nperry> It will sort itself out
[15:49] <kklimonda> nperry: there is no linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-16-generic afair
[15:51] <alex_mayorga> nperry: I believe kklimonda is right
[15:52] <alex_mayorga> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "linux-backports-modules-nouveau-2.6.32-16-generic"
[15:52] <nperry> !info  linux-backports-modules-nouveau-lucid-generic
[15:53] <alex_mayorga> nperry: that fetched the package
[15:54] <nperry> I thought it had Version number on it :)
[15:54] <nperry> alex_mayorga: I think that should be it
[15:54] <alex_mayorga> nperry: you said something about initramfs
[15:55] <kklimonda> nperry: since 2.6.32-16 nouveau is in the main linux package so no linux-backports-modules-nouveau is needed
[15:55] <nperry> Yeah becuase you've downgraded might be best to do sudo update-initramfs -u
[15:55] <nperry> Not to sure if it was done post downgrade
[15:56] <nperry> kklimonda: It was removed as of .15 iirc
[15:57] <nperry> change log says linux-meta (<IP_ADDRESS>.16) lucid; urgency=low
[15:57] <nperry> * drop the nouveau meta packages
[15:57] <CardinalFang> Hrm.  I want the new "Light"-based themes, Ambiance and Radiance, to succeed, but I don't think there is enough visual difference between focused and unfocused windows.
[16:00] <nperry> CardinalFang: I agree, I just don't like the window border as well, So am using new wave border
[16:00] <ActionParsnip> CardinalFang: do you mean light as in light in colour, or do you mean light as in resources?
[16:00] <ZykoticK9> ActionParsnip, light is the proper name of the new themes
[16:01] <ActionParsnip> ZykoticK9: is it meaning colour or resources
[16:02] <ZykoticK9> ActionParsnip, ? beats me
[16:02] <ActionParsnip> what chance have others then ;)
[16:03] <nperry> ActionParsnip: Non at all, we are all doomed.
[16:04] <ActionParsnip> just funny how they rename stuff to none-sensical gibberish
[16:07] <perlsyntax> Does anyone know if python 2.6.5 is comeing out in ubuntu 10.04?
[16:07] <nperry> Am i right in saying that the new wave theme will stay in the repo?
[16:07] <ActionParsnip> !info python
[16:07] <ActionParsnip> perlsyntax: looks like not, you could add a ppa if one exists
[16:08] <perlsyntax> where can i find that
[16:08] <nperry> perlsyntax: Unless its got a major secruity fix, i expect not :)
[16:08] <perlsyntax> i see
[16:08] <perlsyntax> thanks
[16:08] <CardinalFang> ActionParsnip, I mean "Light" as in the new goal and direction of design goals, as opposed to the previous one, "for humanity".
[16:09] <ActionParsnip> CardinalFang: pretty cryptic, like "head towards the light"?
[16:09] <alex_mayorga> nperry: anyway to check the changes withouth rebooting?
[16:09] <CardinalFang> The overarching "themeness" of visuals.  Including logo, and GUI, and advertising.
[16:10] <nperry> alex_mayorga: I would just reboot, Not to sure if a gdm restart would do it
[16:10] <CardinalFang> ActionParsnip, it's what is taped to the monitors of the graphic designers.
[16:11] <ActionParsnip> CardinalFang: so a light colour then?
[16:11] <CardinalFang> I suppose.  I'm just a programmer.  We know nothing of design.  Just ask designers.
[16:12] <ActionParsnip> CardinalFang: im just a user, i assume its a light colour thing
[16:12] <alex_mayorga> nperry: thanks, I'll wait for the next reboot and see how it goes
[16:12] <CardinalFang> It's not that literal.
[16:12] <nperry> ActionParsnip: But one is light and other dark
[16:12] <fr500> is there a way to put back the window icons? i moved the buttons to right
[16:12] <fr500> but I'd like to have the window icon back if possible
[16:12] <infecto> hmm
[16:12] <nperry> alex_mayorga: I hope i haven't broken your x!
[16:12] <infecto> w*t*f
[16:12] <nperry> It worked ok for me :)
[16:13] <infecto> no matter what i click on pulpit or other
[16:13] <ActionParsnip> nperry: not here, lxde doesnt use a lot of the gnome stuff ubuntu comes with :D
[16:13] <infecto> i`m switched betwen apps ;)
[16:13] <infecto> last kde in lucid
[16:15] <CardinalFang> ActionParsnip, users aren't supposed to even know or notice it.    The boss says to the visual guys "think 'Light'!" and they go off and prettify things.
[16:15] <CardinalFang> Anyway, this is a tangent I don't want to be on.  Windows.  Distinguish what is focused.
[16:16] <ActionParsnip> CardinalFang: i guess, just curious as it seems to big the big hoo ha but i havent seen it
[16:17] <CardinalFang> ActionParsnip, Maybe when 10.04 rolls around you will.
[16:17] <ActionParsnip> CardinalFang: i'm running pure 10.04 on all 3 systems
[16:18] <ActionParsnip> CardinalFang: one is headless and the others run LXDE ;)
[16:18] <CardinalFang> It's not 2010-04 yet.  You're running some prerelease stuff.
[16:18] <ActionParsnip> true
[16:21] <infecto> hmm
[16:29] <infecto> OpenOffice.org(2642)/kio KNFSShare::KNFSSharePrivate::findExportsFile: Could not find exports file! /etc/exports doesn't exist. Configure it in share/config/knfsshare, [General], exportsFile=....
[16:29] <infecto> i work with oo and hmm
[16:29] <infecto> he dont want to open doc which one was open 10min ago
[16:31] <CardinalFang> infecto, Looks like some NFS problem.  Are you running an NFS server?
[16:31] <infecto> CardinalFang: noooo
[16:31] <infecto> local work
[16:31] <infecto> and now i try open it and crash
[16:39] <infecto> CardinalFang: i open doc unde oo in xp and convert it o odf and works fine
[17:03] <jakubo> anyone for sound available?
[17:04]  * hifi gives jakubo some sound
[17:04] <jakubo> thx....
[17:04] <jakubo> pulse audio doesn seem to be worknig
[17:05] <hifi> I had some issues with pa and alpha 3 but upgrading made my sound work
[17:05] <jakubo> sry for bad typing
[17:05] <infecto> jakubo: kubuntu?
[17:05] <jakubo> ubuntu
[17:05] <jakubo> gnome
[17:05] <infecto> jakubo: i remove pulse audio totaly
[17:05] <jakubo> theres sound
[17:05] <infecto> jakubo: try alsamixer
[17:05] <jakubo> but pulseaudio makes strange things
[17:05] <infecto> ane loud up sound
[17:06] <infecto> aaa
[17:06] <infecto> was sure that it totaly dont work
[17:06] <jakubo> the gui for sound settings doesnt work
[17:08] <jakubo> and pulse audio keeps returning endlessly after crashing, which seems to cause quite some work for the cpu
[17:14] <red> everytime i reboot I have to go to bluetooth settings and click "make visible"
[17:14] <red> then i can remove the check and after that my phone pairs up nicely (they are set trusted)
[17:15] <red> but i have to go tick & untick it after each boot or my phone cant connect
[17:15] <red> in karmic it functioned ok
[17:28] <Muscovy> Does anyone know how to shift the close/max/min buttons to the left in Karmic, or to the right in Lucid?
[17:28] <jakubo> id like to know how to perform the last....
[17:29] <Muscovy> I want to test the new layout, and I also want to know a way out of it for the future. ;3
[17:30] <woRg> hi I've a problem with intel i810 on lucid. the X server isn't loading
[17:30] <Muscovy> #ubuntu+1
[17:30] <Muscovy> The channel for Lucid.
[17:31] <Muscovy> Sorry, wrong Window.
[17:31] <woRg> you can set the window buttons editting the metacity properties on gconf-editor
[17:32] <woRg> don't worry
[17:33] <ZykoticK9> Muscovy, i just tried the gconf settings in Karmic - work the same as in Lucid -- see http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/move-buttons-to-right-side
[17:37] <jakubo> any way to change the window buttons' position?
[17:39] <woRg> just as ZykoticK9 said
[17:39] <jakubo> sry my com just crashed
[17:40] <jakubo> can you please rewrite it?
[17:40] <woRg> jakubo: http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/move-buttons-to-right-side
[17:40] <jakubo> ok thx
[17:40] <Boondoklife> I just wish there was a way to auto align desktop icons on the right.
[17:41] <jakubo> that was easy thx XD
[17:41] <woRg> Boondoklife: you can make a bash script
[17:42] <Boondoklife> woRg: Really? gota link for that or somewhere i can get at the info?
[17:43] <woRg> now I'm not on my pc but if I'm not wrong you can set gconf properties from bash using gconf tool
[17:43] <Boondoklife> hmm ill take a look, thanks
[17:43] <woRg> Boondoklife: you're welcome
[17:44] <woRg> anyone knows a solution for i810 on lucid?
[17:46] <alex_mayorga> is the "orange ugliness" already reported as a bug?
[17:47] <woRg> alex_mayorga: LOL
[17:48] <woRg> alex_mayorga: anyway I don't know someone who doesn't change the default theme after installing ubuntu
[17:50] <glphvgacs> is this required on PPC970 mac? /dev/sda2: LABEL="bootstrap" TYPE="hfs"
[17:51] <glphvgacs> http://pastebin.com/irXXV8S3
[17:54] <charlie-tca> I think the "orange ugliness" is a feature, isn't it?
[17:56] <zooko> Hello folks! Should I use Virtual box's guest additions for Linux or Lucid's guest additions for Virtual box?
[17:56] <zooko> My X doesn't work in my Lucid host invirtual box.
[17:57] <charlie-tca> did you install from the VBox website or from the repository?
[17:58] <zooko> You mean the guest additions?
[17:58] <charlie-tca> No, VirtualBox.
[17:59] <zooko> Well, that is running on a Mac OS X host and I installed it from the vbox web site.
[17:59] <charlie-tca> If you downloaded it and installed it, use guest additions from the website
[17:59] <zooko> Gotcha.
[18:00] <charlie-tca> Oh, I don't think it matters, after all. It used to make a difference, but I think the one you have already came with the VirtualBox download
[18:00] <zooko> Thanks!
[18:22] <Pici> Does anyone else see entries for Microblogging and Pidgin in their indicator applet even when they dont have gwibber or pidgin installed?
[18:35] <o_portista17> a while back, there was some updates for php*, but i didn't use the new *config files, is there some way, that i can upgrade it again, but now, using the new config files from php.ini and such, and replace the ones that i have now? - because now i have a lot of errors, on my *.php's , and if i try to see the version of my php on the bash, i have this error: PHP Deprecated:  Comments starting with '#' are deprecated in /etc/php5/cli/
[18:35] <o_portista17> conf.d/mcrypt.ini on line 1 in Unknown on line 0
[18:43] <greg-g> Pici: gwibber should be installed by default, no? and pidgin, well, I see it but I have pidgin installed :)
[18:43] <greg-g> Pici: did you have pidgin installed at one point in Lucid?
[18:44] <Pici> greg-g: I did, but those packages are only reccomends for the indicator packages, I would think that if they weren't present then those options would display in the drop down.
[18:47] <greg-g> Pici: yeah, dunno
[18:54] <zooko> Folks: after upgrading my guest machine (in virtualbox) from an Ubuntu Lucid that was last updated a couple of months ago today's Lucid, I can't get X to work.
[18:54] <zooko> It leaves the display in a locked, unusable state and the X processes exit
[18:54] <zooko> although the /var/log/Xorg.0.log doesn't mention that it is exiting or why as far as I can tell.
[18:55]  * keyhive is going to take the leap
[18:55] <keyhive> alpha 3 here i come :D
[18:56] <keyhive> alpha > beta > rc is a clear upgrade path?
[18:56] <arand> keyhive: Good luck, have fun!
[18:56] <arand> keyhive: Unless you stumbe on issues yes.
[18:56] <zooko> Hm, I need to eat lunch before debugging this any ore...
[18:56] <keyhive> arand: well, i'm developing with an alpha version of a CMS right now anyway.. it's all good.  bugs must be found!
[18:56] <abhifx> where can i find the development version for wubi.. want to try it with lucid, any help?
[18:58] <ZykoticK9> abhifx, i certainly could be wrong - but i don't think there is a Lucid-Wubi as of yet
[18:59] <abhifx> ZykoticK9, maybe you are right... sigh.. thx for replying
[19:00] <zooko> My .xinitrc never got executed.
[19:00] <zooko> Sigh.
[19:00] <zooko> Back later.
[19:05] <zooko> Hm, .xsession didn't get executed either. Wah. I really need to get food.
[19:42] <YaManicKill> hmmm gwibber still not working. sad...
[19:46] <alex_mayorga> YaManicKill: Sad, indeed
[19:46] <YaManicKill> lol
[19:46] <DexterF> hi
[19:47] <DexterF> trying to install kubuntu alpha 3 in vmware7, linux host. gave "easy install" creds, now screen in vm is dark, nothing happens
[19:47] <DexterF> anything I need to know regarding vmware?
[19:54] <Muscovy> There's been some reported problems with VMs and alpha3.
[19:59] <richthegeek> hi, does anyone have any screensots of 10.04a2? I heard it had a new UI?
[19:59] <Phoul> alpha3 has a new theme
[20:00] <richthegeek> any screenshots? Not in the mood to resize drives atm
[20:00] <zooko> Muscovy: what problems? I can't get X to work in virtualbox at the moment.
[20:00] <Pici> Heres a quick screenshot: http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/03/09/i-never-realized/
[20:01] <JoshuaL> when i tried to upgrade for karmic it installed fine
[20:01] <JoshuaL> once it started and i tried to login my screen went black
[20:01] <JoshuaL> and nothing happens
[20:01] <richthegeek> Pici: thanks
[20:01] <Muscovy> zooko: It needs some sort of modifications to the VM kernel module, I think.
[20:01] <Phoul> i dont like the new theme much, but i didnt like the old one either, i think i have a vendetta against defaults
[20:01] <JoshuaL> even ctrl+alt+f1 didnt do anything altough the REISUB method worked to reboot
[20:01] <JoshuaL> so i had to reinstall karmic
[20:01] <Pici> richthegeek: And some more screenshots lower down on this page: http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/03/03/refreshing-the-ubuntu-brand/
[20:01] <JoshuaL> is this a known bug with ati cards?
[20:02] <richthegeek> hmm, shame about that window bored, because the rest is *fit*
[20:02] <richthegeek> border*
[20:02] <Pici> JoshuaL: The open source 'ati' driver is working fine here.  I can use the vttys just fine.
[20:02] <JoshuaL> Pici, in karmic i used to closed-source drivers, so when it upgrades its going to use what drivers?
[20:03] <Pici> JoshuaL: It depends how new your ATI card is.  I have an x1400 that is no longer supported by the closed fglrx driver.
[20:03] <JoshuaL> hmm
[20:05] <imperius1> Why does the new alpha freeze constantly?
[20:05] <DexterF> Muscovy: dang. ok, wait for beta1 then.
[20:06] <JoshuaL> Pici, ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon HD 3400 Series is what I have
[20:06] <DexterF> oh, btw: any plans to integrate SocialVPN into the distro?
[20:06] <pvandewyngaerde> anyone else having problems with lucid in virutalbox ?
[20:06] <DexterF> pvandewyngaerde: no, but in vmware7
[20:07] <imperius1> I have problems on bare metal.
[20:07] <pvandewyngaerde> i get a army-green colord screen
[20:08] <imperius1> My box goes completely unresponsive. I have to hold the power button down to shut off.
[20:12] <charlie-tca> imperius1: at what point is it freezing?
[20:13] <imperius1> charlie-tca: Thanks for responding. Usually 30 sec to 1 min after gnome loads up.
[20:13] <pvandewyngaerde> for me very early in the startup, i cannot get it in a usable state
[20:14] <imperius1> I'm running through the logs but I haven't seen anything yet.
[20:14] <charlie-tca> How much memory do you have?
[20:15] <pvandewyngaerde> if i disable 3d acceleartion it goes further,   i have a VM with 512 MiB memory and 128 Graphical memory
[20:15] <charlie-tca> I run it on a P4, 1.5GHz cpu with 1GB ram with no freezes
[20:16] <charlie-tca> pvandewyngaerde: understandable in a vm; they do not use hardware graphics
[20:18] <imperius1> charlie-tca: 1 GB, P4 HT 3.2GHz; I'm also running OpenSUSE 11.2 and BackTrack 4 on this box.
[20:18] <charlie-tca> Are you running ubuntu in a virtual machine, then?
[20:19] <imperius1> charlie-tca: Me? No.
[20:19] <charlie-tca> hmmm
[20:19] <charlie-tca> Maybe tracker is taking over again. If you wait a while, does it give control back to you?
[20:20] <charlie-tca> You might want to start top or system monitor fast, to see what is taking over for sure
[20:20] <imperius1> charlie-tca: How long is a while? I've given it about 5-10 minutes. Enough time to walk two dogs.
[20:21] <imperius1> charlie-tca: Good thinking. I'm going to give that a shot. BRB.
[20:21] <lion9> hi all
[20:23] <lion9> does anyone here know how to install the panel with disks' icons in Krusader (like in Gnome Commander)? Any help is highly appreciated
[20:30] <pvandewyngaerde> this is how my VM currently looks like when freezing during boot  http://imagebin.ca/view/oTlLWu8O.html
[20:30] <jameswalmsley> Can anyone help with a lucid login problem? I always get a failsafe terminal after I did an update.
[20:30] <charlie-tca> pvandewyngaerde: looks like a hung installation
[20:31] <charlie-tca> Might have been a failure on the installation that did not show up
[20:31] <pvandewyngaerde> i had that yesterday in my VM,  a failsafe terminal,   today its totally freezing
[20:31] <guntbert> jameswalmsley: try to use an older kernel
[20:31] <jameswalmsley> Is there an easy way to downgrade the kernel?
[20:31] <jameswalmsley> with apt?
[20:32] <guntbert> jameswalmsley: no need to downgrade - there is at least one older kernel still installed - you choose it from the grub menu
[20:33] <charlie-tca> Not always one older kernel. I installed today and only get one kernel, -16
[20:33] <pvandewyngaerde> this time, it also did a disk check, once it was done, back to the colored screen
[20:34] <guntbert> charlie-tca: he said it was after an update :)
[20:34]  * charlie-tca smacks himself in the head for that one!
[20:34] <jameswalmsley> found it, testing now
[20:35] <guntbert> charlie-tca: don't  - nothing get better from smacking :)
[20:35] <charlie-tca> Helps one to remember, sometimes
[20:36] <jameswalmsley> I just tested on 2.6.31-14 unfortunately I still get a failsafe terminal on login
[20:36] <jameswalmsley> Video seems to be working, I get this purple background, with a xterm in the top left corner and thats it.
[20:37] <jameswalmsley> could it be some xorg or gnome config problem?
[20:37] <imperius1> charlie-tca: Tried to watch top. Only thing running was synaptic and it's apt counterpart.
[20:38] <charlie-tca> They were running? That should be tracker then, trying to build the database
[20:38] <imperius1> charlie-tca: How do we fix that?
[20:38] <charlie-tca> let it finish
[20:39] <imperius1> charlie-tca: Just let it sit?
[20:39] <charlie-tca> yup
[20:39] <charlie-tca> as far as I know
[20:39] <imperius1> charlie-tca: How long, you think?
[20:40] <charlie-tca> The greatest question ever. Kind of like "how much farther is it". Don't really know a good answer to it.
[20:40] <jameswalmsley> Anyone able to help with failsafe terminal on login?
[20:40] <imperius1> charlie-tca: LOL! Understood. Thanks again! See you in a few!
[20:50] <mescalinum> what does mean if ubuntu kernel fails (screen is off) with default acpi option, but works with acpi=off but also with acpi=ht ??
[21:05] <flaco> hi all... I got lucid installed, with all updates and the buttons of nautilus (minimize, max.. and close) are aligned to the left :S , how can I align those buttons to the right?
[21:08] <jetsaredim> is there a way to get empathy to fire up new chat sessions in the same window as some that are already open
[21:13] <charlie-tca> flaco: see this http://blog.daviey.com/blogroll/anything-but-the-buttons.html
[21:16] <kklimonda> we should have just make it impossible to change those settings before final release and see how many people are going to complain about button position after few weeks of using lucid..
[21:16] <hunt> Hi, I have a question concerning the new memenu in lucid...
[21:17] <kklimonda> hunt: sure, just ask :)
[21:19] <hunt> Actually it is the indicator applet, I noticed that if you run i.e. empathy from the indicator applet and close its window, the application keeps running in the background, same with gwibber. The only application that does not follow this standard is evolution, if I run evolution from the indicator appplet, close its window, evolution shuts down. Isn't this inconsistent and shouldn't there be something which tells you if an applica
[21:20] <kklimonda> hunt: it's a known problem
[21:21] <hunt> kklimonda: that makes the discussion very short
[21:21] <hunt> kklimonda: so it is planned to implement a "systray icon"-like functionality for evolution?
[21:22] <jumbers> I hate how the Close, Minimize, and Maximize buttons have moved over to the left side in Lucid. How can I move them back?
[21:22] <hunt> jumbers: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/easy-gui-window-button-switcher-for.html
[21:23] <gorthaug> hi
[21:23] <jetsaredim> yea - that is annoying
[21:23] <hunt> jumbers: actually for me they still are on the right side for some reason
[21:23] <jumbers> Did you do all the package upgrades?
[21:23] <jetsaredim> does anyone know how to get empathy to spawn new chat sessions into the same window as others that are currently open?
[21:23] <jumbers> When I upgraded all the packages they moved to the right
[21:23] <jumbers> left*
[21:24] <kklimonda> hunt: not really a "systray icon"-like functionality but Evolution shouldn't quit when you close window and just sit in the messaging menu and show when new email show up
[21:24] <hunt> jumbers: yes my lucid is up-to-date, the minimize button is in a little square for me too
[21:24] <kklimonda> jumbers: you should give it a try for few days and see if it's really something you can't live with
[21:25] <kklimonda> jumbers: you can follow instructions on the http://blog.daviey.com/blogroll/anything-but-the-buttons.html to move icons to the right
[21:25] <jumbers> I've used right hand buttons my entire life, I really am not interesting in switching now
[21:25] <hunt> kklimonda: well thanks then
[21:25] <imperius1> charlie-tca: Gave it a half-hour and gave up.
[21:26] <charlie-tca> jumbers: : see this http://blog.daviey.com/blogroll/anything-but-the-buttons.html
[21:27] <jetsaredim> anyone know what the channel is for empathy and the underlying lib support?
[21:28] <abhifx> hi! i was installing nvidia drivers and now the server does not work.. can someone help me/
[21:28] <charlie-tca> jetsaredim: tried #empathy ?
[21:29] <jetsaredim> charlie-tca: pretty vacant
[21:29] <charlie-tca> But has someone in it. Try asking the question there
[21:29] <jetsaredim> or maybe not on this server
[21:30] <charlie-tca> Maybe it is on gimpnet
[21:30] <hunt> jetsaredim: did you try #gnome?
[21:34] <abhifx> hi! i was installing nvidia drivers and now the server does not work.. can someone help me?
[21:34] <Ian_Corne> server?
[21:35] <abhifx> Ian_Corne, sorry xserver
[21:38] <red> I have mediatomb starting via init.d on boot
[21:38] <red> how can I remove it from there safely? :)
[21:39] <red> just cd /etc/init.d -> sudo rm mediatomb ?
[21:39] <red> guessing its just a symlink
[21:40] <devilsadvocate> red, that is not a good idea
[21:41] <red> what would be the correct way?
[21:41] <devilsadvocate> red, there is a file somewhere that lists what is started when
[21:41] <devilsadvocate> i'm not sure where ubuntu has it
[21:41] <devilsadvocate> might be in rc.local or something
[21:42] <abhifx> hi! i was installing nvidia drivers and now the xserver does not work.. can someone help me?
[21:43] <devilsadvocate> red, i think you have to remove it from the rcX.d folder it is in
[21:44]  * devilsadvocate never had to do that with ubuntu so isnt sure
[21:47] <YaManicKill> ooo looks like there is a couchdb update just coming. but its not quite updating yet
[21:47] <YaManicKill> maybe that'll fix gwibber
[21:47] <red> :)
[21:47] <red> yay
[21:48] <YaManicKill> don't quote me :-P
[21:49] <red> devilsadvocate: so I found the item from rc1.d folder
[21:50] <red> just rm that?
[21:50] <devilsadvocate> red, yeah, that should do it
[21:51] <pace_t_zulu> can someone direct me as to how to locate linux-headers-2.6.32-15-generic ?
[21:52] <pace_t_zulu> 2.6.32-16 causes problems with VBoxGuestAdditions
[21:54] <devilsadvocate> pace_t_zulu, they should be in the repo ?
[21:55] <pace_t_zulu> devilsadvocate: afraid not... linux-image-2.6.32-15-generic is ... but not linux-headers-2.6.32-15-generic
[21:56] <devilsadvocate> hm
[21:56] <pace_t_zulu> devilsadvocate: is there a package archive somewhere
[21:57] <devilsadvocate> pace_t_zulu, not that i know of
[21:57] <devilsadvocate> pace_t_zulu, aptitude search linux-headers shows me 15 too
[21:57] <devilsadvocate> and 14
[21:57] <pace_t_zulu> really?
[21:58] <pace_t_zulu> devilsadvocate: i am foolish enough to 'autoclean'
[21:59] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: you may be able to help
[21:59] <pace_t_zulu> i am looking for linux-headers-2.6.32-15-generic
[21:59] <pace_t_zulu> not in the repos anymore
[21:59] <devilsadvocate> pace_t_zulu, http://pastie.org/864031
[22:01] <pace_t_zulu> devilsadvocate: http://paste.ubuntu.com/392819
[22:03] <BUGabundo> pace_t_zulu: ok
[22:03] <BUGabundo> what?
[22:04] <BUGabundo> pace_t_zulu: they must be at LP at least!
[22:04] <BUGabundo> ave you looked in there?
[22:04] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: no... thanks for the suggestion
[22:04] <BUGabundo> evening
[22:07] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: could you direct me a little further... i am having trouble locating the package.... sorry :(
[22:08] <BUGabundo> not the best guy for the job
[22:08] <BUGabundo> but let me try
[22:08] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: i have found this link... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+package/linux
[22:09] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:09] <BUGabundo> or kernel ppa
[22:09] <BUGabundo> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline
[22:09] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ports-meta/<IP_ADDRESS>.10
[22:09] <pace_t_zulu> BUGabundo: ty
[22:11] <Jordan_U> pace_t_zulu: If you get guest additions working do you mind telling me how you did it?
[22:11] <pace_t_zulu> Jordan_U: they do not work on 2.6.32-16
[22:11] <pace_t_zulu> Jordan_U: that's why i'm dropping back to 2.6.32-15
[22:11] <Jordan_U> pace_t_zulu: Well that's just cheating :)
[22:12] <pace_t_zulu> Jordan_U: though i have linux-image-2.6.32-15-generic ... i don't have linux-headers-2.6.32-15-generic to build against
[22:14] <pace_t_zulu> Jordan_U: do you have a better idea? i am listening...
[22:17] <pace_t_zulu> time to report this as a bug
[22:23] <DanaG> !find xf86vmode.h
[22:47] <infecto> maybe silly question, is 64bit nvidia binary driver in repo?
[22:49] <bjsnider> affirmative
[22:50] <infecto> thanks :)
[22:51] <infecto> i was reading about it but was not sure is it real or some kind of wrapper or else ;)
[22:55] <plitter> is there anyone here who knows how to get virtual box to function properly?
[22:56] <plitter> i mean to get the fullscreen working
[22:58] <jetsaredim> is there a 10.04 version of UNR?
[22:59] <flaco> usb wireless sucks on lucid :S
[23:00] <crimsun> flaco: I generally have much better luck using compat-wireless tarballs
[23:00] <flaco> how can I report the problem... I got karmic installed too, and the download speed is normal
[23:00] <crimsun> e.g., I'm using 2010-02-26, which works great with my ath9k-based one
[23:01] <flaco> I will try the  compat-wireless ... thks
[23:17] <DanaG> wine fail:
[23:17] <DanaG> libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/dri/r600_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/r600_dri.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64)
[23:25] <red> has there been any bug reports about slow LAN upload speed?
[23:25] <red> im in another room with my laptop
[23:26] <red> and downloading from my PC varies from about 80-100KB/sec
[23:26] <red> i can upload over 2MB/sec
[23:26] <red> so cannot be signal (about 60% strength)
[23:26] <red> and iirc it working fine when i used karmic
[23:31] <look> can i get a ubuntu 10.04 iso with gnome?
[23:32] <BUGabundo> !daily > look
[23:32] <BUGabundo> red: I cannot. I got over 30MB/s over crossover
[23:33] <devilsadvocate> daily? really?
[23:33] <BUGabundo> devilsadvocate: why not ?
[23:33] <devilsadvocate> meh, i suppose so
[23:33] <BUGabundo> which one would you get?
[23:34] <devilsadvocate> i'd get the latest beta/alpha/rc/ whatever is out
[23:34] <devilsadvocate> and then upgrade
[23:34] <devilsadvocate> so that atleast i'd know the installer wouldnt do something strange to me
[23:34] <BUGabundo> WRONG
[23:34] <BUGabundo> just get a daily and pray
[23:38] <Desciero> How do I view my terminal log? I installed a program from the terminal, but it just exited unexpectedly mid-install. Want to see what the problem is.
[23:47] <DanaG> argh, wine fail: libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/dri/r600_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/r600_dri.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64)
[23:51] <red> Alright, after some testing on my Lucid Lynx machine with using wired interface, the maximum upload speed I could achieve was 80-110KB/s for a 700MB .iso file.
[23:52] <red> Switching to wireless I get a stable 1.45-1.50MB/sec
[23:52] <red> this is testing with lucid machine wired into router, and router routing the data into a laptop
[23:52] <red> (using wget)
[23:52] <red> laptop is connected via wireless
[23:52] <legodude> I have some strange(?) behavior w/my touchpad, when turning tapping off in system settings, it still registers taps, I have to set the button action to 'none' to fully turn it off
[23:52] <red> and uh
[23:53] <red> laptop can upload 2.0MB/sec to the lucid machine when it's wired connected
[23:53] <red> it's a lucid issue I bet, since I got higher speeds with wired vs. wireless under Karmic


[00:05] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubiquity (jammy-proposed/main) [22.04.16 => 22.04.17] (ubuntu-desktop)
[00:58] <guiverc> I didn't see the ML notice on 21.10's eol;  (the  source for what gets posted to fridge/news)
[00:59] <sarnold> it'll come eventually
[01:00] <guiverc> :)  (i noted meta-release was changed... & it's not urgent; I posted warning some time back)
[01:11] <Bashing-om> guiverc: sarnold: Awaiting the EOL notice to tidy up UWN's Gdoc :(
[01:13] <sarnold> yeah it's just not the same with "and we expect the EOL announcement any moment now" :)
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[09:40] <luis220413> Was an exception for the requirements in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#New_upstream_microreleases granted by the Ubuntu Technical Board?
[09:43] <luis220413> Not needed, Xen has a testsuite at https://xenbits.xen.org/git-http/osstest.git that can be packaged and invoked in the xen autopkgtest (that only invokes 2 tests in Jammy!). If we add the autopkgtests in the xen source package, Xen meets the microrelease requirements!
[09:44] <luis220413> Last sentence: If we also add the tests in the xen source package to the autopkgtest, Xen now meets the microrelease requirements for SRUs.
[09:45] <luis220413> My Xen SRU is in bug 1978891
[09:46] <luis220413> Currently it is only for Jammy. I will add a Bionic debdiff that fixes at least some of the security issues and other bugs.
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[00:40] <ubuntu-mate> hey guys! I need to configure btsync on a friends computer which runs Mint18. When I try to reproduce the effect of the software boutique on Mate 16.04, the repo tells me it does not support Ubuntu 16.04. Any ideas?
[00:47] <ubuntu-mate> I copies the ppa and added it myself. Then it tells me that the repo does not support Ubuntu 16.04. Which is weird because it apparently supports Ubuntu mate 16.04. Can anyone give me a hint?
[00:48] <Astro7467> the PPA would be different under Mint
[00:49] <ubuntu-mate> it would? Does this not depend on the base (e.g. Ubuntu 16.04)?
[00:49] <ubuntu-mate> Do you know how I can find out the correct ppa for Mint?
[00:50] <Astro7467> suggest Google or follow instructions on BTSync site
[00:50] <Astro7467> ppa includes release name eg xenial or sarah
[00:51] <Astro7467> would also suggest syncthing over btsync
[00:58] <ubuntu-mate> Astro7467, unfortunately the instructions on the website do not give the version that Mate offers. It is a newer one, which has become closed source and rebranded as "resilio". It also does not come with a native GUI. And One of the computers which will be synced is a windows PC so syncthing is sadly not a viable solution.
[00:59] <ubuntu-mate> Direct encrypted syncing over platform borders with open source tools is surprizingly challenging.
[01:04] <Astro7467> assuming the PPA has a mint release support;
[01:04] <Astro7467> on the Mint machine run;
[01:04] <Astro7467> lsb_release -a
[01:05] <Astro7467> the last line should say 'COodename: xxx'
[01:05] <Astro7467> in the PPA source file change references of Xenial to the 'xxx'
[01:07] <ubuntu-mate> I'll do that. Thank you. But just for my understanding: Both Mint 18 and Mate 16.04 are based on Ubuntu 16.04. Why does the PPA differentiate?
[01:07] <Astro7467> if that doesn't work on the Mint site they probably state the Ubuntu codename equivalent somewhere of the Mint release you are on e.g. xxx1 = trusty,  xxx2 = xenial, etc (sorry I am not familiar with Mint release names - I just know it is a fork of Ubuntu)
[01:08] <ubuntu-mate> Hehe! That is very much alright!
[01:08] <ubuntu-mate> Mint 18 is called "sarah".
[01:09] <Astro7467> AFAIK how PPA's work you are right, just having Xenial in there should work cos I know for different Ubuntu releases you can config a PPA to use diffrent releases to get the software to work
[01:09] <ubuntu-mate> I have to say that I really do not get the need to give every distro a pseudonym. And a female one at that.
[01:09] <Astro7467> I can only assume in the case of BTSYnc they somehow have something different going on or you have a typo :D
[01:10] <ubuntu-mate> I actually hope that it was a typo and redid it several times. Even copied the ppa without typing anything myself.
[01:10] <ubuntu-mate> Syncthing is not cross platform, right?
[01:11] <Astro7467> agree - would be nice if it just used some version number info automatically and mapped from there - release names just add a layer of complexity to the uninitiated - a false barrier for those new to Linux
[01:13] <ubuntu-mate> *g* Well, here our impressions differ. I just found it to be a "dumbed down" way to not having to remember numbers when I started with Linux.
[01:17] <Astro7467> It's that too, but having 3 ways of referring to the same thing doesn't help ; ie. (latest) LTS, Xenial, 16.04
[02:02] <connie> hola
[02:02] <connie> alguien que hable español.?
[02:14] <Astro7467> !es
[03:19] <comptekki> hi - when I remove my external 4k monitor the top and bottom panels don't resize to my laptop screen.  Any way to fix this?
[03:19] <comptekki> I can't see the clock, wifi, etc. on top right or the desktop switcher at bottom right
[03:21] <comptekki> i've tried changing resolution 2880x1800 to 1920x1200 and back, but the panels aren't resizing to current display (laptop screen)
[03:22] <comptekki> it does work if I log out and back in
[03:31] <comptekki> if i plug the 4k display back in the panels also go back to show right ends of top/bottom panels correctly
[11:39] <giuseppe_> ei
[11:39] <giuseppe_> ammmore
[11:40] <giuseppe_> sono sex
[13:07] <philippe_d> good morning
[13:19] <Ceri_Philippe> good evening
[17:04] <comptekki> I have set my default screen to a 4k display.  When I disconnect, the top and bottom panels are chopped off on the right - maybe retaining the 4k screen width.  Any way to fix this?
[17:06] <comptekki> other than logging out then back in?
[18:33] <xpkill23> grüsse gibt jemand deutsch chat
[18:36] <xpkill23> hab ubuntu -m chat auf deutch
[18:37] <xpkill23> danke
[18:37] <xpkill23> für nichts
[18:37] <sigurdur> das weiss ish nocht
[18:37] <sigurdur> nicht
[18:38] <sigurdur> sie können deutch mit mich sprechen, aber ich verstehen niemals
[18:39] <yiannis> Hi all
[18:39] <sigurdur> Hello!
[18:40] <sigurdur> Hey, mate!
[18:40] <sigurdur> :)
[18:40] <yiannis> I just installed mate....irc is a Good idea
[18:41] <yiannis> I didn't use irc since 1995 !!!!
[18:41] <sigurdur> Indeed. Me too. Late 90s last time for me i would guess.
[18:41] <sigurdur> Used to be a lot of normies here in those days.
[18:42] <yiannis> hehe
[18:42] <yiannis> dial up power...
[18:42] <sigurdur> I left irc when mIRC became synonymous with irc.
[18:42] <yiannis> the same here...
[18:42] <sigurdur> Dial up power and angry mothers!
[18:43] <sigurdur> First install of ubuntu-mate?
[18:43] <yiannis> yes
[18:44] <sigurdur> Curious. How does one find mate? What was your reasoning?
[18:45] <xpkill23> wer
[18:46] <yiannis> I like the old style gnome desktop. I recently update from 12.04 with to 16.04 flashback, but it seems flashback is a crap
[18:46] <yiannis> mate works smoother by far
[18:46] <yiannis> I have just downloaded mate 16.04
[18:47] <sigurdur> I cant settle for one desktop. Been distro and DE hopping since Slackware 7.1. Oups. Crying children. Must go be a father!
[18:48] <Akuli> nowadays irc is kind of a thing for programmers and other nerds
[18:48] <Akuli> not something that people use for talking to friends
[18:49] <yiannis> hehe my dauther just slept. she is 1 year old
[18:50] <yiannis> akuli sure but i think i still find it convinient.
[18:50] <yiannis> plus brings up some nostalgy
[18:50] <Akuli> yes, irc is a great way to get support with any tech related issues :)
[18:50] <yiannis> like a vinyl record hehehehe
[18:50] <Akuli> or just talk
[18:53] <Akuli> looking at the list of channels i have joined to there are actually quite a few non-support, talking-just-for-fun like channels
[18:53] <Akuli> hmm
[18:53] <Akuli> whatever :)
[21:18] <mahmut> Türk varmı türk
[22:22] <binegra> Hello! have any of you experienced that phenomena, when you type a certain key on your notebook's keyboard, there are 2 or more other characters appearing as well along with that it is supposed to appear? This is a hungarian keyboard, so it has a different set then the standard us keyboard, but it still printing numerous characters by one keystroke even setted to english. Guess it's a hardware failure?
[22:26] <DarkPsydeLord> like ubuntu-offtopic
[22:26] <DarkPsydeLord> XD
[22:27] <DarkPsydeLord> binegra: did you tried to clean your keyboard
[22:32] <binegra> sorry about posting it here ^^ Seems like that's the best option I have given here. I did not, altough I can't think like it is _that_ dirty.. will try it tomorrow!
[22:33] <DarkPsydeLord> well lemme tell you something
[22:33] <DarkPsydeLord> if it only happen with certain keys most probable thing is that is dirty if it happen with every key well must be software based
[22:34] <DarkPsydeLord> or defective hardware
[22:34] <DarkPsydeLord> specially if it was working well
[22:34] <binegra> with certain keys in every os setup, even on a live linux distribution
[22:35] <DarkPsydeLord> then must be dirty/sticky from some beverage or bread crums
[22:36] <binegra> basic english -latin- keys are working well, but once you are into special characters, it goes wild) i.e. -, é, ü
[22:37] <ali1234> which keys? and what appears on screen?
[22:37] <ali1234> usually people report the opposite happening because of deadkeys
[22:38] <binegra> if you press "-" for example, you get printed '-' on your terminal, but it goes back to the beginning of the line, like if you would press home as well
[22:39] <binegra> if you press "ö" which is a dedicated hungarian key, then it will give you two or 3 characters alongside the original one alltogether (i forgot which)
[22:40] <ali1234> always the same characters?
[22:40] <binegra> Yes, it's repetitive
[22:40] <ali1234> and you always get a ö followed by some others?
[22:40] <binegra> with that key, yes
[22:41] <ali1234> that doesn't sound like a dirty keyboard to me. it would be more random and unpredictable
[22:41] <ali1234> like it wouldn't happen the same every single time
[22:41] <binegra> It happens all the time the exact same way, not matter what operating system
[22:41] <ali1234> that's weird
[22:42] <DarkPsydeLord> not weird at all
[22:42] <ali1234> what model of computer is it?
[22:42] <binegra> It's a built-in keyboard of an acer laptop
[22:42] <binegra> 5715Z
[22:42] <binegra> if you plug in an external keyboard, all is well
[22:43] <ali1234> what operating systems have you tested this with?
[22:43] <binegra> windows 7, different linux distributions
[22:45] <DarkPsydeLord> same thing happened to me with my tx1000 laptop when pressing ñ
[22:46] <DarkPsydeLord> but since my laptop had touchscreen i used the virtual keyboard
[22:46] <binegra> basically it makes impossible to use the terminal in linux, because you either have to delete some characters after typing some, or for instance using '-' which is quite common, you always need to get back to the end of the actual command
[22:46] <DarkPsydeLord> after all it seems i had some milk on the keyboard
[22:46] <DarkPsydeLord> XD
[22:46] <ali1234> so - also sends home?
[22:47] <binegra> It effectively print '-' and act like if I pressed home at the same time
[22:48] <ali1234> i guess it could be a hardware problem, if some keyboard signals are shorted out inside
[22:48] <ali1234> that would create ghosting
[22:48] <ali1234> ever spilled coffee in your keyboard?
[22:49] <binegra> I am pretty sure I did. It's a very old laptop. I just want to find out what it's problem is and if it could be solved in a rational way.
[22:50] <ali1234> what happens when you press home? does it send extra "-"?
[22:51] <binegra> No, it just simply put you to the first character of that line
[22:52] <binegra> Special charachters are placed around and the left to the "enter" key in hungarian keyboards and those are the ones I have problems with. It could be some serious dirt in that area
[22:52] <binegra> since it's concentrated there
[22:53] <ali1234> its more likely to be a short circuit
[22:53] <binegra> Oh, than it's likely to be the end of it
[22:54] <ali1234> dirt wouldnt really so that, but liquids would
[22:54] <ali1234> its probably fixable. keyboard replacement is usually cheap and easy
[22:55] <binegra> It's not a separate keyboard as I remember well, like in nowadays' laptops
[22:55] <ali1234> i can see UK layout keyboards for £10 on ebay
[22:56] <binegra> okay, thanks, I will check it out tomorrow, take it apart and see if there is any corrosion or any sight of damage
[22:56] <binegra> Sorry for being off-topic and thanks for your help!
[23:48] <comptekki> any ideas on top/bottom panels when unplugging external monitor - won't resize to laptop when external is set to default
[23:48] <comptekki> other than log out/back in....
[23:50] <ali1234> restarting the panel might fix it without logging out
[23:50] <ali1234> not ideal though
[23:53] <Astro7467> was thinking that there might be a mate-* command to reinitialize you could trigger on the event of the screen being unplugged or hot key
[23:53] <Astro7467> but not in position to investigate currently
[23:56] <comptekki> ok will check how to restart a panel - no right click option
[23:59] <ali1234> isomething like mate-panel --replace or mate-panel -r
[23:59] <ali1234> check mate-panel --help