[16:40] <Wasif> I cannot update my firefox browser in lubuntu 20.04 focal fossa,can anyone help?
 Have you done a sudo apt update and then a sudo apt dist-upgrade? (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <Wasif> I cannot update my firefox browser in lubuntu 20.04 focal fossa,can anyone help?)
 Wasif: the updates to Lubuntu in 20.04 are driven by the Firefox package in the repositories, when you say you can't update, do you mean you can't update Firefox to a newer version than what's in the repos, or that you're trying to install via sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade and it errors?
[16:48] <Wasif> i am having firefox 85.0,now I wanted to update my firefox to 90.0(latest version) from official website. how do I do that?
 the latest version is 89 on 20.04.  not 85.  Run sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade and you'll get 89
 version 90 will show up once the SRU process happens from the Desktop Team (it'll affect all releases' firefox)
 then you'd just do the same set of commands (sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade) on the ocmmand line to get the updated version
 there's nothing really different between 89 and 90 that's of note in terms of end user
 https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/07/firefox-90-released-new-features
 Not many changes
[16:53] <tomreyn> Wasif: To add to what teward001 said: Downloading software from the developers' website is not how you normally install software or updates on Lubuntu. Instead, you wait for them to be packaged. Web browser are special in that they get upgraded within a Lubuntu release, other software would remain on the original version and just get backported security patches. There you'd do a Lubuntu release upgrade to get the newer version.
[16:54] <tomreyn> (PPAs and Snaps may also provide newer software versions)
[16:54] <tomreyn> and they're gone
 unfortunate timing huh tomreyn
[16:56] <tomreyn> a bit
[16:57] <tomreyn> Wasif: welcome back - had you left on purpose?
[16:58] <Wasif> so sorry,my computer suddenly took a restart
[16:59] <tomreyn> Wasif: i sent you what you may have missed in a private message window
[16:59] <Wasif> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/c2995c272cdaac189107428bc2e0ee5f/image.png
 Wasif run the following commands:
 sudo apt update
 sudo apt dist-upgrade
 in the command line
 it'll get you to 89.  90 will land once the SRU process happens for the older releases, there's a lot of chaos surrounding those
 Or install updates from plasma-discover
 Discover in LXQt menu
[17:02] <Wasif> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/a47550773eec28647169985d101ad4c5/pasted.txt
[17:02] <Wasif> what's next to do?
 remove that PPA
 it's long dead
 you also are running poorly in hyour repos
 you've disabled focal-updates and focal-security
[17:02] <Wasif> how to fix all those things
 which is why you're NEVER going to get 'newer' versions of things or bugfixes for issues from the Lubuntu or general Ubuntu teams
 start by sharing the output of cat /etc/apt/sources.list
 so we can fix that first
[17:04] <Wasif> start by sharing the output of cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:04] <Wasif> i dont understand
[17:04] <Wasif> what to do with this
 run that command in the terminal: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
 show us via the same way you've shared pasted data here what's in there
 after we know what's there we'll have you edit the file with the relevant lines you're missing
 and then have you run: sudo apt update
 and: sudo apt dist-upgrade
 and you should get newer Firefox
 BUT we need to see what your system has in there currently
[17:05] <Wasif> wasif@wasif-aspire4752:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:05] <Wasif> deb cdrom:[Lubuntu 20.04.2 LTS _Focal Fossa_ - Release amd64 (20210204)]/ focal main multiverse restricted universe
 for what repositories to use and update with
[17:05] <Wasif> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal multiverse restricted universe main
[17:06] <Wasif> next step?
 Run the following commands on the command line:
 echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-updates main restricted universe multiverse" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:07] <tomreyn> teward001: maybe this is what you wanted?    sudo grep -Ev '^([ ]*#.*)?$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list} | nc termbin.com 9999
 tomreyn: no, i only wanted the base repos
[17:07] <tomreyn> ok
 echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-security main restricted universe multiverse" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
 Wasif: run those two commands *including* the |
 because those are both one liners
 then run this:  sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
 it should give you a TON of upgrades to run
 accept them all, and then you'll be up to date on Firefox 89
 and firefox 90 when that's made available after the stable updates process
[17:09] <Wasif> you guys are confusing,can you please say again which commands step by step and please dont interrupt him anyone
 echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-updates main restricted universe multiverse" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
 echo "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-security main restricted universe multiverse" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
 run both of those
 let me know when you're done
[17:10] <Wasif> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/09ebfde346bdf21bc1bf53a36d8b0be0/pasted.txt
 OK
 now do me a favor and run this: grep -r 'ppa.launchpad.net' /etc/apt/sources.list.d'
 share the output
 because based on THAT output we're going to remove that Lubuntu PPA because it's dead and does not work anymore.
 oops i mistyped there's a syntax error
 grep -r 'ppa.launchpad.net' /etc/apt/sources.list.d
 there we go
[17:13] <Wasif> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/681c6f1357e244405ad6bdeec75eb247/pasted.txt
[17:13] <Wasif> i am not getting any result
 cancel that out with Ctrl+C
 use the version I said after "oops i mistyped"
[17:14] <Wasif> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/0b379ab27200fb170283da73d0bb0f33/pasted.txt
 Now run this: sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/lubuntu-desktop-ubuntu-ppa-focal.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/lubuntu-desktop-ubuntu-ppa-focal.list.save
 after you do that, run this: sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
 no need to paste the output
[17:15] <Wasif> wasif@wasif-aspire4752:~$ sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/lubuntu-desktop-ubuntu-ppa-focal.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/lubuntu-desktop-ubuntu-ppa-focal.list.save
[17:15] <Wasif> wasif@wasif-aspire4752:~$
[17:16] <Wasif> already done
 now just run: sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade
 and if it asks to install packages say "y" for yes
 then let it run
 (again, no need to paste output here)
[17:18] <Wasif> it is downloading 416 mb packages
 as it shoud
 because you're very behind on updates ;)
 BUT you're now getting security patches and updates now, so you'll be on Firefox 89 once that stops.  There's a kernel patch in there too so once the install is complete for the packages reboot your computer and you should be good to go.
[17:25] <Wasif> so is there any work left?
 nope
 you won't be on firefox 90 yet, but you will get that once it's released into the focal-updates repository via the SRU process (probably within a month, once the desktop team debugs stuff and fixes little issues)
 so in the future just run your standard update procedures and you'll get the updated things then.
[17:29] <Wasif80> hum,I wanna know how was was security updates were disabled,becouse i really guess that i didn't done any changes with that
 no way to determine that.  but now you're getting bug fixes and security patches now.
 so you're good :)
[17:31] <Wasif80> hum,I guess in the future if i install lubuntu in another device i need to contact support again for this kind issues
[17:32] <Wasif80> these kind of*
 well that's why we're here :)
[17:34] <Wasif80> always thankfull for the supportsO:3
[17:37] <Wasif80> how can i get emoji panel in a text box?
[17:46] <Wasif80> any help?
[18:12] <Wasif> I think there is no one here to receive my question
 more that nobody knows the answers
[18:36] <teward> oh they left
[19:55] <Wasif> can I get help to add a public key?
[19:58] <Wasif> anyone in the chat can help me???
[20:00] <Wasif> hey???
[20:01] <teward> Wasif: FYI: we're not here all the time
[20:02] <teward> we're not paid support, we're all volunteers
[20:02] <teward> !patience | Wasif
[20:02] <teward> what do you mean by 'add a public key'?
[20:02] <teward> that could mean a couple of things so context for the question is key
[20:02] <Wasif> just help me to install waterfox through terminal
[20:03] <Wasif> sorry for yelling here
[20:52] <Wasif> still waiting
[20:58] <tomreyn> Wasif: this is primarily a self support channel, people might help you if you don't demonstrate a demanding nature.
[20:58] <Wasif> understand
[20:59] <tomreyn> Wasif: but since wsterfiox isn'T in *ubuntu, you're really going to need to look for third party offerings
[20:59] <Wasif> okay
[20:59] <tomreyn> there's waterfox-classic as a snap, but i have not checked how old it is
[20:59] <tomreyn> there is also this https://github.com/hawkeye116477/waterfox-deb-rpm-arch-AppImage
[21:00] <Wasif> yeah,tried that. older one,while I always prefer to use latest versions
[21:02] <Wasif> is there a official client for telegram to install?
[21:02] <tomreyn> you could also download the latest waterfox release off their official website as pre-built binary and run that.
[21:03] <tomreyn> as far as i know, there are only official telegram clients for android and ios
 *coughs* https://desktop.telegram.org/
[21:03] <Wasif> can I directly run the downloaded file(waterfox)
[21:04] <tomreyn> actually there is https://snapcraft.io/telegram-desktop
[21:04] <Wasif> so you wanna say there are also no official client of telegram app for windows?
[21:04] <teward> tomreyn: its also available as an appimage and a tarball that you can install for Winodws
[21:04] <tomreyn> Wasif: you'll need to follow waterfox's instructions on how to use their builds
[21:04] <teward> tomreyn: its also available as an appimage and a tarball that you can install for Windows
[21:05] <teward> s/windows/linux/
[21:05] <tomreyn> i see
[21:05] <teward> there's also windows versions of Telegram Desktop too
[21:05] <teward> Wasif: > so you wanna say there are also no official client of telegram app for windows? <
[21:05] <teward> suggestion: be a little less combative / confrontational with your responses please
[21:05] <Wasif> https://snapcraft.io/telegram-desktop
[21:05] <Wasif> is it official?
[21:06] <teward> yes
[21:06] <teward> it's directly linked from the Telegram website
[21:16] <Wasif> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/388c10f383f44557e66a45f2587a6033/pasted.txt
[21:16] <Wasif> can you please save it to help other people to install waterfox,it worked for me
 you used the Debain options not the Ubuntu options
 which is not recommended :P
 they DO have an ubuntu version in that repo it seems, but it's a third party repository
[21:17] <Wasif> ubuntu options are working,tried them
[21:19] <Wasif> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/3ff44e5c12131f0da4f0b19b62fbcd4f/pasted.txt
[21:19] <Wasif> here is the ubuntu version
[21:20] <Wasif> https://software.opensuse.org//download.html?project=home%3Ahawkeye116477%3Awaterfox&package=waterfox-current-kde
[22:46] <Guest75> hi
[22:46] <Guest75> Hi, using Lubuntu 20.04 LTS, when I use a VPN, my wifi disconnects randomly. But without a VPN my wifi is fine, I wonder why the VPN affects my wifi?


[00:05] <alex-> What is more secure, root account, su - or sudo ?
[00:44] <yakster> anyone here ever heard of webtester5?
[00:47] <yakster> does anyone know of a software that is a testing engine, fast and easy to setup?
[05:30] <arrrghhh> hey guys.  i am looking at doing RAID via mdadm, raid5 for one set of drives and raid1 for the other set.  would LVM also be an advantage here, or is it kinda redundant?
[05:32] <qman__> if you want to put multiple volumes on said arrays, or spread a volume across multiple arrays, it would be useful
[05:32] <qman__> otherwise it's not necessary, though not detrimental either
[05:32] <arrrghhh> hrm
[05:32] <arrrghhh> i guess i might as well
[05:32] <arrrghhh> i don't have much experience with either
[05:32] <arrrghhh> i have a bit with RAID
[05:33] <arrrghhh> 0 with LVM
[05:33] <qman__> I didn't on mine because I had only singular purposes in mind
[05:33] <qman__> personal preference, but I don't like to upgrade too many times without starting fresh
[05:33] <arrrghhh> ditto
[05:33] <qman__> so it's an excuse to redo if I hit a limitation without it
[05:34] <arrrghhh> pretty much every time i have to rethink hdd space, i reinstall the OS
[05:34] <arrrghhh> and i don't have any RAID right now, and i'm thinking it's time.
[05:36] <qman__> my current file server is at its limit, nearing the ext3 size limits and (I assume) getting fragmented
[05:36] <qman__> so the next upgrade cycle is total revamp
[05:38] <twb> qman__: you know that "5% reserved for root user" of ext?
[05:38] <twb> qman__: that is used to prevent fragmentation from happening
[05:38] <qman__> yeah, but I'm experiencing performance problems
[05:38] <twb> qman__: so if you turned it off, or filled the fs as root, you WILL get MUCH more fragmentation than normal
[05:38] <twb> e2fsck will report the fragmentation level also
[05:38] <qman__> didn't do either of those, but I did expand the filesystem
[05:39] <qman__> originally ~5TB, now 8.2TB
[05:39] <qman__> plus I have some flaws in my design
[05:40] <qman__> active torrent data shouldn't be on the main storage array
[05:40] <twb> Recommend you put it off until 12.04 when ext large blocks will be around
[05:40] <qman__> and before it was expanded, the filesystem was over 97% (user) full
[05:41] <arrrghhh> brtfs or whatever ready for 12.04?
[05:41] <twb> https://lwn.net/Articles/469805/
[05:41] <twb> arrrghhh: no
[05:41] <twb> arrrghhh: give it another 8 years or so
[05:41] <arrrghhh> didn't think so.
[05:41] <arrrghhh> 8 years, lol
[05:42] <twb> arrrghhh: well, a decade is a reasonable amount of time for a filesystem to go from dev to stable state
[05:42] <twb> btrfs has had about 2 already, so 8 left
[05:42] <arrrghhh> oh, i thought it was more mature for some reason
[05:43] <qman__> yeah, summer will probably be upgrade time
[05:43] <qman__> before then I need to actually get a backup system
[05:43] <qman__> flying fast and loose here
[05:43] <qman__> though the majority of my data is not that important
[05:44] <qman__> I did lose it all once and it was a major inconvenience
[05:44] <arrrghhh> lol
[05:44] <arrrghhh> i could imagine that would be inconvenient.
[05:44] <twb> When I lose all my data I'm usually limping for about a week
[05:45] <qman__> once drive prices stabilize I'll get some sort of backups going
[05:45] <twb> Anything truly important will be published and mirrored by other people
[05:45] <qman__> and when 12.04 gets all the major bugs worked out I'll work on upgrading the system
[05:45] <arrrghhh> qman__, yea.. i forgot about that and went to best buy to get a hdd with a gift card from xmas.  ended up getting another ps3 controller lol
[05:46] <qman__> it'll be a while before they get back down where they were
[05:46] <qman__> but they should at least even out and get less extreme pretty soon, once the panic wears off
[05:47] <arrrghhh> qman__, i'm going to try to hold off for a year... we'll see if i can make it.
[05:47] <arrrghhh> scary how high prices have gone
[05:47] <qman__> it's not even a little consistent right now
[05:47] <qman__> certain drives are up 300, 400%
[05:47] <qman__> others are only up slightly
[05:48] <arrrghhh> lol
[05:48] <arrrghhh> server-grade disks are definitely higher
[05:48] <arrrghhh> data centers are hoarding
[05:52] <twb> http://paste.debian.net/151503/
[05:53] <twb> That's the local "folding table in front of a warehouse" parts vendor; they don't have any SAS tho
[06:36] <koolhead17> hi all
[07:13] <kaushal> Hi
[07:30] <koolhead17> supp kaushal
[07:41] <jasonmchristos> How do I enable 2 factor authentication on ubuntu after  installing libpam-rsa? Seems I tried editing the  configs but it doesnt seem to be using the rsa key to  login. Any help appreciated.
[07:42] <koolhead17> jasonmchristos: did you restart service after the edit?
[07:47] <jasonmchristos> koolhead17: restarted the whole computer to login but just see the normal password prompt
[07:47] <twb> jasonmchristos: any particular reason you're using rsa and not (say) due or monkeysphere?
[07:47] <twb> s/due/duo/
[07:48] <twb> egrep -v '^[[:space:]]*(#|$)' /etc/pam.d/* | pastebinit
[07:48] <jasonmchristos> twb: i dont know what those are
[07:50] <henkjan_> jasonmchristos: check duosecurity.com
[07:50] <twb> Note that I am not endorsing any of those three
[07:51] <twb> I'm asking because maybe you just picked libpam_rsa because it was the first google hit
[07:51] <henkjan_> jasonmchristos: 2 factor authentication with pust notification to your mobile
[07:51] <twb> henkjan_: well, that's one of the things it can do
[07:52] <henkjan> dialing/passwords in sms
[07:52] <henkjan> al for free (10 users)
[07:52] <twb> Here I have actually deployed OTPW which uses one-time passwords (something you have) prefix with a normal password (something you know)
[07:52] <twb> So technically that's multifactor auth, and pretty cheap and easy too
[07:53] <jasonmchristos> twb: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PNuv2UyAZB6zC1NwxToxInLVh1CLS49KRwAwoIV4wUo/edit
[07:53] <twb> That yields no content: http://paste.debian.net/
[07:54] <twb> Gah, stupid pastebin script
[07:54] <jasonmchristos> All of that sounds interesting but let me start with something basic
[07:54] <twb> jasonmchristos: that URL redirects about 20 times and eventually takes me to https://accounts.google.com/ServiceLogin?service=wise&passive=1209600&continue=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PNuv2UyAZB6zC1NwxToxInLVh1CLS49KRwAwoIV4wUo/edit?pref%3D2%26pli%3D1&followup=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PNuv2UyAZB6zC1NwxToxInLVh1CLS49KRwAwoIV4wUo/edit?pref%3D2%26pli%3D1
[07:55] <twb> I am not going to log into google to read a pastebin.
[07:55] <jasonmchristos> twb: try now https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PNuv2UyAZB6zC1NwxToxInLVh1CLS49KRwAwoIV4wUo/edit
[07:56] <twb> https://accounts.google.com/ServiceLogin?service=wise&passive=1209600&continue=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PNuv2UyAZB6zC1NwxToxInLVh1CLS49KRwAwoIV4wUo/edit?pref%3D2%26pli%3D1&followup=https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PNuv2UyAZB6zC1NwxToxInLVh1CLS49KRwAwoIV4wUo/edit?pref%3D2%26pli%3D1
[07:56] <twb> I think that's the same URL it redirect me to
[07:56] <jasonmchristos> oops
[07:56] <twb> It probably requires javascript or something
[07:56] <jasonmchristos> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PNuv2UyAZB6zC1NwxToxInLVh1CLS49KRwAwoIV4wUo/edit
[07:57] <twb> jasonmchristos: same behaviour
[07:57] <twb> Try paste.debian.net
[07:57] <jasonmchristos> ok hold on
[07:57] <jasonmchristos> i just want to be able to remove it after you look
[07:57] <twb> Tough
[07:58] <twb> If your security infrastructure relies on secrecy then you are fucked
[07:59] <jasonmchristos> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/167c294b/
[07:59] <jasonmchristos> twb: well im working on it thats why i'm here
[08:00] <twb> jasonmchristos: apparently that URL you sent works OK in a GUI browser, so it is just that google docs doesn't provide even read access to traditional browsers
[08:00] <jasonmchristos> its all designed with chrome inmind
[08:01] <twb> Now I guess the service you mainly care about is sshd?
[08:01] <jasonmchristos> no
[08:01] <jasonmchristos> pam
[08:01] <twb> Hmm, no ssh there, so I guess gdm?
[08:01] <jasonmchristos> local
[08:01] <jasonmchristos> gdm and tty
[08:01] <twb> OK, "tty" is called the login service
[08:01] <twb> But e.g. you don't care about using pam_rsa to auth cups printing atm
[08:02] <twb> OK, did you manually add the pam_rsa.so line to login?
[08:03] <jasonmchristos> lets see what i added
[08:03] <twb> This is where I tell you about etckeeper for future reference
[08:05] <twb> jasonmchristos: while you're there, tell me what ubuntu release you're running (lsb_release -a) and if you have an /usr/share/pam-configs/ and what's in it.    During testing you only want to affect login, so what you want to do is go into /etc/pam.d/login and replace @include common-auth with the contents of /etc/pam.d/common-auth, and then extend that to include pam_rsa.so
[08:10] <jasonmchristos> ok I am going to clean up my desk and come back to this saving what you have told me shofar
[08:10] <jasonmchristos> thanks for the help twb
[08:10] <jasonmchristos> auth	 sufficient	 pam_rsa.so debug
[08:10] <jasonmchristos> auth	 sufficient	 pam_rsa.so debug[A[A
[08:15] <twb> Jokes on him, I'm going to the pub, mua haha
[09:29] <similian> anyone here using a public brigde concept with kvm on 10.04
[09:29] <similian> i used the pbulic guide but i cannot ping my vms from my lan
[09:29] <similian> my vms can ping my lan though
[09:29] <similian> but not the gateway
[09:30] <similian> an I ran out of clues
[09:31] <similian> I basically wanted to let my vm access my LAN directly (192.168.20.x)
[09:31] <similian> I can provide any config files you need
[09:31] <similian> but its basically just the public guide
[09:33] <similian> strange thing is if i ping my Lan Client with my vm I will be able to ping it afterwards
[09:33] <similian> there seems to be a routing issue
[09:34] <similian> I wonder what needs to be change in the br0 config
[09:40] <CasmoNL> similian, I set up a VM with VBox, and I can access my whole lan from within that VM, without changing configs. o_O
[09:41] <similian> I use kvm
[09:41] <similian> yeah its strage
[09:41] <similian> strange i mean
[09:41] <similian> I just wondered if there is a clue
[09:44] <similian> do you have static ip config? on your vm?
[09:44] <similian> but vbox is different from kvm :/
[10:27] <CasmoNL> similian, yeah, I have a static IP in my VBox VM, and I was planning on using kvm first, but it failed, so I ended up with VBox, and I like it so far. :P
[11:09] <stgraber> hallyn: working on the MIR for cgroup-lite?
[11:09] <stgraber> hallyn: just saw you adding it as a Depends of libvirt-bin so it now needs to be promoted to main
[11:10] <stgraber> hallyn: which will at least guarantee it's part of the ubuntu-server package set :)
[11:10] <hallyn> stgraber: d'oh!  would making it recommends bypass that?
[11:11] <stgraber> hallyn: yeah but that'd be bad
[11:11] <hallyn> stgraber: confounded
[11:11] <stgraber> hallyn: as we install recommends by default, it'd install it when installing libvirt post-install but not when installing it from a media
[11:11] <hallyn> interesting, didn't know that happened
[11:12] <hallyn> stgraber: so i guess i have to yank it from depends while I file mir
[11:17] <hallyn> stgraber: pushing revert of that bit now
[11:20] <stgraber> hallyn: thanks. I don't think the MIR will be hard to get, especially as long as we only promote cgroup-lite and not cgroup-bin
[11:21] <stgraber> (you can still depends on cgroup-lite | cgroup-bin with only cgroup-lite being in main, so we'd only need cgroup-lite to be promoted)
[11:22] <stgraber> hallyn: btw, I got a few more reports of people (wgrant being one of them) having broken suspend/resume because of cgroup-bin (first suspend/resume works, second doesn't)
[11:22] <stgraber> not sure what we should be doing about it, but cgroup-bin seems to generally be a very bad idea, wondering if we shouldn't completely drop it and transition to cgroup-lite
[11:22] <hallyn> stgraber: d'oh, i just pushed the revert.
[11:22] <hallyn> yes, i've been thinking same
[11:23] <hallyn> i don't know if anyone out there is using some 'enterprise' junk that rquires it though
[11:34] <hallyn> stgraber: I suppose at some point someone may ask why we don't just have mountall mount cgroups
[11:34] <hallyn> (the answer might be some gibberish about wanting more flexibility for customization)
[11:35] <hallyn> bug 913728
[11:39] <stgraber> hallyn: you probably want to subscribe the mir team to that bug
[11:40] <hallyn> right :)  thanks
[11:51] <hallyn> stgraber: (yeah, i saw the cgroup-bin suspend/remove confirm)
[12:00] <abhinavmehta> if I'm having both boot loader installed eg. LILO & GRUB, and I want to know, which boot loader I'm using…how to find ?
[12:00] <abhinavmehta> ..its a os-instance running at some cloud-provider..so how to find this..?
[12:38] <similian> how can i debug bridgin?
[12:46] <mooboo> guten morgen! ich habe sein sehr schlimmes und großes problem mit meinem raid server vielleicht kann mir ja jemand helfen! ich habe alles hier zusammengefasst http://debianforum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=133772&p=861136#p861136 vielleicht hat ja einer von euch den perfekten plan.
[12:49] <RoyK> !english
[12:49] <RoyK> !german
[12:56] <RoyK> !deutsch
[12:57] <RoyK> !中文
[12:57] <RoyK> :)
[13:59] <stgraber> hallyn: hey, just talking with doko about the MIR. It'd be easier if cgroup-lite was a separate source package.
[13:59] <stgraber> hallyn: that way we can promote the cgroup-lite source package to main without any risk of also promoting cgroup-bin
[13:59] <stgraber> hallyn: and can then potentially drop the cgroup-bin source completely if we think we don't want it in Ubuntu
[14:03] <hallyn> stgraber: that'd be fine with me.
[14:04] <stgraber> hallyn: can you prepare the new source?
[14:14] <hallyn> I can give it a shot.
[14:18] <hallyn> stgraber: do I start a new changelog, or copy the libcgroup one in?
[14:20] <stgraber> hallyn: I'd go with a new changelog to avoid some confusion
[14:20] <stgraber> hallyn: just make sure the initial version is slightly higher to the current cgroup-bin version, otherwise the upgrade won't work
[14:21] <soren> This is weird. I grabbed http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/release/ubuntu-11.10-server-cloudimg-amd64-disk1.img and I'm trying to run it in KVM, but it's just hanging after grub.
[14:22] <utlemming> soren: agreed, that is wierd
[14:22] <utlemming> oh...wait, maybe not
[14:22] <kirkland> SpamapS: hallyn: what do you think about the suggestion in https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/910341 ?
[14:22] <utlemming> soren: do you get any text after grub at all?
[14:23] <utlemming> soren: try the daily
[14:23] <soren> utlemming: This is the released Oneiric image.
[14:23] <soren> Surely that should work?
[14:24] <utlemming> soren: that is a bug that got fixed
[14:24] <utlemming> soren: we are currently testing the latest daily and plan on releasing that ASAP
[14:25] <SpamapS> kirkland: Why not emit a 'mounted' event just like mountall does?
[14:25] <soren> utlemming: The oneiric images haven't worked since release? I could have sworn I've used them.
[14:25] <utlemming> soren: what is happening is there was a bug with the last released image where the metal kernel got installed
[14:25] <utlemming> soren: no, it was a regression between the initial release image and the last update
[14:26] <soren> utlemming: This is the released image.
[14:26] <utlemming> the daily that built yesterday looks good so far, so I am ~95% sure we'll be kicking that out
[14:26] <soren> utlemming: ...and no, there's no text after grub. Not even "booting linux" or anything.
[14:26] <utlemming> yes, that's a match
[14:26] <utlemming> the "release" is a symlink to the latest image, not the initial release
[14:26] <soren> Oh, wait..
[14:27] <soren> eep!
[14:27] <soren> Why, oh why?
[14:28] <utlemming> soren: the tests will finish in about 15 minutes and I can tell you whether the latest daily will become a release
[14:28] <soren> utlemming: Is that intentional?
[14:28] <utlemming> the release or the bug? :)
[14:28] <soren> The fact that /release doesn't contain what was released.
[14:28] <soren> ...but rather an update.
[14:29] <utlemming> the release methodology is intentional, although I am unsure as the reason for doing it
[14:29] <hallyn> stgraber: well I figure I"ll just call it "1.0", where libcgroup is at 0.37.1 :)
[14:29] <soren> utlemming: Did a release manager sign off on that?
[14:29] <stgraber> hallyn: sounds good
[14:31] <utlemming> soren: I don't know...do me a favor and file a bug against that
[14:31] <utlemming> soren: we're sprinting and incidently I have a meeting with the release manager tomorrow to talk about images
[14:31] <soren> utlemming: What would I file that bug against?
[14:31] <utlemming> I'll raise that question with her tomorrow, but looking at it I agree with the concern
[14:31] <utlemming> Ubuntu and then assign it to me
[14:32] <utlemming> I am thinking there should be a "release" and a "latest"
[14:32] <soren> All I care about is that "release" never ever changes.
[14:32] <soren> :)
[14:32] <utlemming> well, we do have that...
[14:33] <soren> Where?
[14:33] <utlemming> http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/oneiric/release-20111011/
[14:34] <utlemming> release is a symlink to the .../release-20111205/
[14:34] <hallyn> kirkland: there are upstart jobs requiring a homedir to be mounted?
[14:34] <soren> utlemming: Right, so "release" did change.
[14:36] <utlemming> yup. What is unclear, and probably uncommunicated is that "release" is a symlink to release-<most recent>. And I agree that we are abusing the term "release" here.
[14:37] <hallyn> stgraber: http://people.canonical.com/~serge/cgroup-lite-1.0-package.tar.gz
[14:38] <soren> Right. I'm almost entirely sure that everywhere else, /release is never ever changed.
[14:38] <soren> utlemming: ^
[14:38] <stgraber> hallyn: hmm, empty orig tarball, that looks wrong
[14:38] <hallyn> stgraber: is any sort of breaks/replaces needed?
[14:39] <hallyn> well, i can move debian/scripts/* to ./...
[14:39] <stgraber> hallyn: make it a native package
[14:40]  * hallyn googles
[14:40] <stgraber> hallyn: oh, it's already a native package but still has an orig tarball, interesting :)
[14:40] <stgraber> hallyn: ok, wait for a few minutes, poking at it ;)
[14:41] <hallyn> ok, will keep looking at ($*&%(*&$% xserver-xorg-qxl meanwhile
[14:44] <stgraber> hallyn: http://www.stgraber.org/download/cgroup-lite.tar.gz
[14:47] <hallyn> stgraber: do you just create that by hand, or is there a dh_make toggle you can use?
[14:48] <stgraber> hallyn: don't know, never used dh_make :)
[14:49] <hallyn> stgraber: seems to be working, thanks :)
[14:53] <hallyn> stgraber: lintian complains about standards versions, but other than that it looks good
[15:03] <Tribaal> hi stgraber, BTW :)
[15:07] <hallyn> stgraber: any objection to having the lxc-ubuntu template clear /var/cache/lxc/$release if it's more than a week old?
[15:08] <hallyn> (or we could have it chroot apt-get dist-upgrade, but that's scarier, not as reliable)
[15:26] <zeknox> I have a laptop running 10.04.3 LTS that will only show lo for an interface when running ifconfig -a, it was just working the other day, not it is not, I have looked at /etc/network/interfaces and validated auto eth0 is in the file
[15:29] <zeknox> I'm missing my interfaces for eth0 and wlan0
[15:31] <soren> zeknox: "ifconfig -a" also shows unconfigured interfaces, so all interfaces should be there regardless of whether they're in /etc/network/interfaces. It's either a driver or a hardware problem.
[15:31] <zeknox> soren: yeah ifconfig -a only shows lo interface
[15:31] <zeknox> soren: was working just last week
[15:44] <gary_poster> hallyn or SpamapS, are either or both of you here at the platform sprint and available to talk a bit about lxc-start-ephemeral?
[15:48] <stgraber> Tribaal: hey!
[15:48] <stgraber> hallyn: I'm fine with having it cleaned when it's > 1 week old
[15:48] <hallyn> gary_poster: yes and yes
[15:48] <hallyn> stgraber: ok
[15:48] <stgraber> hallyn: though I think rbasak said it was taking a lot of time to build new template on ARM, so maybe try to see if we can solve that before forcing the template to be rebuilt
[15:49] <zeknox> I just booted to a boot disc (backtrack 5) and my eth0 interface will come up so I know it is not hardware issues
[15:49] <gary_poster> hallyn, awesome, thanks.  when would work for you?  It might be good to introduce you to the squad working with lxc anyway, so I might try pulling you over into a launchpad roon
[15:49] <gary_poster> m
[15:49] <zeknox> is there an easy way to reinstall networking?
[15:50] <hallyn> stgraber: good point - he's going to test and let me know :)
[15:55] <hallyn> stgraber: rbasak's answer is he wants a separate lxc-download split out of lxc-create
[15:56] <stgraber> hallyn: k
[15:56] <hallyn> so we might be by to bug you at some point :)
[16:01] <hallyn> stgraber: how long will you be there yet?
[16:17] <hallyn> gary_poster: tomorrow perhaps
[16:18] <gary_poster> hallyn, great, thanks.  which room are you working in?
[16:19] <hallyn> gary_poster: Dery
[16:19] <gary_poster> cool thanks
[16:41] <eutheria> is it esc to get the lucid grub boot menu?
[16:49] <zeknox> soren: my system ended up doing a kernel update, so I needed to reinstall network drivers from source
[16:49] <zeknox> soren: problem solved, thanks for your help
[16:57] <hallyn> stgraber: so regarding the console issue in lxc on precise,
[16:57] <hallyn> stgraber: it appears to be similar to smoser's libvir-lxc problem after all
[16:58] <hallyn> stgraber: if you do lxc-console -n <container> and log in on its /dev/tty1, and ls /dev/pts, you see an empty dir
[16:58] <hallyn> so something somwehre along the way is doing an extra mount -t devpts -o newinstance
[17:04] <hallyn> haha, and yes, confirmed, /dev/tty1 in the container was using /dev/pts/3 on the host
[17:08] <stgraber> hallyn: well, the "not getting a console after lxc-start" is definitely caused by the new getty as just copying the old binary makes the login prompt show up again
[17:09] <hallyn> stgraber: and then does /dev/console show itslef as 136:0, and ls /dev/pts shows '0 ptmx' ?
[17:12] <stgraber> hallyn: /dev/console is 136:14 here, /dev/pts contains 28 entries
[17:12] <hallyn> uh, the same 28 entries as your host?
[17:12] <hallyn> oh, i guess that's ok
[17:13] <hallyn> nm, makes sense.
[17:13] <stgraber> nope, I have 17 on the host
[17:13] <hallyn> odd
[17:13] <hallyn> you haven't yet trakced down the getty regression I assume?
[17:14] <stgraber> nope, I mentioned it to lamont but that didn't ring a bell, so will have to go through the upstream git to figure out what changed
[17:14] <hallyn> all right i'm gonna go clear my head so i can decide what to focus on tonight :)
[17:15] <hallyn> ttyl
[17:15] <stgraber> ok, bye
[17:38] <pmatulis> SpamapS: re bug #818177 , confirm that -proposed needs to be enabled during install to perform the verfication...
[19:41] <Taymon> Hi. I'm running Oneiric server and am trying to configure a bridge on top of a bonded interface. My /etc/network/interfaces is at http://paste.ubuntu.com/798553/; I suspect I'm doing something wrong but don't know what.
[20:12] <hallyn> stgraber: all right, got the console working.  not pretty though
[20:19] <hallyn> stgraber: bug 913952
[20:40] <hallyn> rbasak: since we are upgrading each container on lxc-create anyway, I think we can punt the wiping of /var/cache/lxc/$release/rootfs-$arch when it is past $LXC_INTERVAL.  Deal with that when we introduce lxc-download-image in p+1.
[20:52] <stgraber> hallyn: cool, thanks for tracking that down
[20:52] <stgraber> hallyn: does that change also explain the terminal being reset/cleared when running lxc-console on a precise system?
[20:53] <stgraber> hallyn: (as in, on a precise container, works as it used to for an oneiric container)
[21:12] <treyisrad> anyone running ZFS on their ubuntu machine? would you reccomend it over mdadm?
[21:13] <RoyK> treyisrad: I have zfs on several machines, but not with linux
[21:14] <RoyK> treyisrad: zfs is far better in some respects, namely safety, with checksumming of all data, and in that it has a very lightweight compression
[21:14] <RoyK> mdadm is more flexible, though
[21:14] <treyisrad> RoyK: ah, well i'm looking to move over my raid array, since i've had quite a few problems with corruption. (recently lost around 20% of my data, lost all of it a few months back)
[21:15] <treyisrad> I hear zfs is fairly good in that respect.
[21:15] <RoyK> zfs checks its data and metadata in a way few other filesystems do
[21:15] <RoyK> 'cept perhaps btrfs, but that's not stable yet, and gods know when it'll be
[21:17] <treyisrad> last time i looked into it, zfs on linux was still a bit iffy, but it seems to be mostly stable now.
[21:17] <RoyK> treyisrad: but zfs natively on linux is nothing I would recommend - too immature to me
[21:17]  * RoyK sticks to solaris/openindiana for zfs
[21:18] <RoyK> openindiana works well - I have some 350TB worth of storage on that platform
[21:18] <treyisrad> well, my luck with mdadm/xfs has been terrible, so my standards are pretty low :P
[21:18] <RoyK> I'd recommend ext4 over xfs any day
[21:19] <hallyn> straber: made a few more changes to cgroup-lite (including doko-recommended): http://people.canonical.com/~serge/cgroup-lite.tar.gz
[21:24] <JanC> treyisrad: you shouldn't use XFS without a UPS though  :P
[21:25] <RoyK> s/without a UPS//
[21:25] <treyisrad> JanC: no kidding. learned the hard way.
[21:25] <JanC> someone I know used it on a laptop, then learned running out of battery with XFS wasn 't really fun  :P
[21:26] <RoyK> really, it doesn't survive that?
[21:27] <JanC> RoyK: same issues as with ext4 really (especially early ext4)
[21:28] <JanC> I'm sure you remember all the "ext4 truncated my data files" bugs  ;)
[21:29] <RoyK> oops... no - don't remember those
[21:29] <RoyK> but then, I kept to ext3 for quite some time
[21:29] <JanC> which is partially the application's fault, maybe, but still annoying if it happens to you
[21:29] <axisys> what would be a good ldap server / easy to manage on ubuntu server?
[21:30] <JanC> RoyK: even ext3 can show that behaviour, if you tune it to wait long before writing data to disk
[21:30] <RoyK> axisys: good, openldap; easy to manage, no idea
[21:31] <axisys> how about apache ds ?
[21:31] <JanC> "easy to manage" sounds more like a UI client thing
[21:35] <axisys> JanC: someone mentioned phpldapadmin
[21:36] <JanC> I'd say it also depends on what you need to integrate with
[21:37] <axisys> mainly authentication
[21:38] <axisys> and probably some authorization based on group membership
[21:39] <RoyK> axisys: openldap is probably the most used out there
[21:41] <JanC> so openldap is probably the most-used LDAP server
[21:41] <JanC> not sure what the best / most-used LDAP admin is though
[21:42] <JanC> but for simple authentication use, most tools should work, I assume?
[21:43] <JanC> I mean, if no Windows AD support is needed, etc.  ;)
[21:44] <axisys> JanC: would be nice if we could interface with corporate AD .. then I will have to use likewise.. it gets complicated
[21:44] <patdk-lap> I use the java ldapbrowser
[21:45] <patdk-lap> heh? I don't use likewise, and my ubuntu server can interface fully with AD
[21:45] <patdk-lap> I just can't stand likewise way
[21:45] <JanC> well, AD is just an LDAP server, so in theory you could use it without likewise
[21:46] <axisys> patdk-lap, JanC : is that right..
[21:46] <JanC> likewise (and other similar tools) just implement knowledge about how MS stores stuff in their LDAP server...
[21:47] <JanC> and how to apply those settings to a linux system
[21:47] <patdk-lap> I pull email addresses out of AD and use them for postfix
[21:49] <soren> smoser: Say I want to write a custom cloud-init handler for something (to be able to do something declaratively rather than imperatively). If I -- using cloud-config or whatever -- add a PPA and install a handler from there... Is there any way I can use that handler in that same cloud-init run?
[21:50] <axisys> patdk-lap: do you use pam to authenticate with AD ?
[21:50] <JanC> patdk-lap: which means you had to "reverse engineer" the way AD stores those in LDAP, I guess (or someone else did it for you)
[21:51] <patdk-lap> janc, ya, it's easy, except for aliases
[21:51] <patdk-lap> axisys, yep, I go though pam
[21:51] <hallyn> stgraber: oh, sorry, didn't see yoru responses.  (my screen is too small to do irc as i usually do, but i don't really want to change for just this week)
[21:52] <hallyn> stgraber: I didn't bother tracking down the reset.  I assumed the new getty code just thinks its being clever
[21:52] <JanC> i guess "likewise" & co. earn their money so that companies don't have to reverse-engineer..
[21:53] <JanC> IIRC Samba 4 has some AD integration too, not sure how far that goes
[21:58] <stgraber> hallyn: yeah, I can live with that, it's just weird to see it behave differently with two different containers :)
[21:58] <hallyn> stgraber: upstream commit e85281a8ac887a35a78f4b43e4755a44aecc2fb7
[21:58] <hallyn> we can add '--noclear' to not clear the screen.  new feature.
[21:59] <hallyn> feature we were all clamoring for, i know...
[22:10] <smoser> soren, you could accomplish it
[22:10] <smoser> but not as pretty as i think you'd like.
[22:10] <smoser> if you add the ppa, that gets added in "cloud-config" stage, which is after user-data is processed.
[22:11] <smoser> so you would'nt get the chance to be included in the processing if you were adding this package on boot.
[22:12] <smoser> but you could have it lay down a script in /var/lib/cloud/scripts/per-boot/ via that package
[22:12] <smoser> and it would get run at "final" (essentially rc.local) time.
[22:23] <mgw> is there a way to prioritize dhcp option 121 (classless-static-routes)? That is, if a client gets multiple leases and there's a conflict in the routing — how is it resolved?
[22:26] <soren> smoser: Are the things in cloud-config acted upon in the order given in the file?
[22:26] <soren> smoser: Or do you iterate through scripts that in turn look for specific keys and then act on them?
[22:27] <smoser> they're acted on in order in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg
[22:27] <soren> :(
[22:27] <soren> Ok.
[22:27] <smoser> and you can/could re-define any of those lists in a user-data
[22:28] <smoser> soren, were you wanting to install a part-handler ? or a cloud-config script ?
[22:28] <soren> smoser: So if I add a new cc_blah module (by way of a package installed from a new ppa) and add that to the cloud_config_modules..
[22:28] <soren> smoser: I don't know, really.
[22:29] <smoser> yeah. you should be able to get yours invoked then.
[22:29] <soren> smoser: I'm only just now beginning to understand that there's a difference :)
[22:29] <smoser> but you can't at this point just append to the existing list
[22:29] <smoser> you have to re-define it
[22:29] <soren> Ok.
[22:29] <smoser> i had thought about allowing some sort of yaml extension like:
[22:30] <smoser> cloud_config_modules+:
[22:30] <smoser>  - sorens_uber_module
[22:30] <soren> To be honest, this is not something I actually need to do. It was just a thought experiment, so don't spend a lot of time on it.
[22:30] <smoser> or
[22:30] <smoser> cloud_config_modules-:
[22:30] <smoser>  - grub-dpkg
[22:31] <soren> That would be pretty neat.
[22:31] <soren> Anyways, thanks. I need to run now.
[22:31] <soren> Enjoy Budapest.


[01:03] <fluvvell> with new hardware in, and mythbuntu 10.04, myth-repos, (0.24) we're getting very loud white noise after skipping forward, or ffwdin then returning to normal speed. What are we missing?
[01:22] <jchance>  hello all... i have searched everywhere for an answer to this issue i am having and hope someone here can help me.. i am running kubuntu 10.04 with mythtv 0.24 fixes from the mythbuntu repositories with a hauppauge hdpvr. it was working fine with the same setup prior to a move of the backend machine and reinstall exactly as it was.. when i go to live tv the hdpvr starts up and when mythtv gets a tl lock the hdpvr shuts off an
[01:22] <jchance> d the backend crashes. the hdpvr works under windows and using cat /dev/videoX to record to a file. any help is greatly appreciated
[04:31] <mrand> fluvvell: I'm headed to bed, but I haven't heard of that problem in a long time (I thought 0.23).  Only suggestion I can make is to make sure you are using the 0.24-fixes PPA in case it is fixed there.
[04:32] <fluvvell> mrand, , the ppa gets installed with the mythbunty-repos doesn't it?
[04:33] <fluvvell> Its complicated with the fact that I upgraded the motherboard to get digital sound for their digital amplifier, I can get it through the hdmi but the amp only accepts audio on the toslink cable :-(
[04:33] <mrand> yes, it should.  You might make sure that it didn't get disabled on accident by checking that the package version is something like this:   Installed: 2:0.24.1+fixes.20110629.d06878a-0ubuntu0mythbuntu1   (the 20110629 is the date)
[04:34] <fluvvell> mrand, thanks I'll poke around in the dpkg list now and compare.
[04:34] <mrand> fluvvell: after you verify that you are running a recent mythtv version, make sure that audio works in other applications.  If it is, then you'll either need to ask on the mythtv users mailing list, or maybe #mythtv-users
[04:36] <fluvvell> mrand, thanks. Its been previously a reasonably good system, but they hate it right now!  White noise at a volume is pretty aweful
[04:37] <mrand> yeah, I understand.
[04:38] <fluvvell> and nearly as bad, I feel I screwed up somehow by upgrading them.
[04:39] <fluvvell> 2:0.24.1+fixes.20110706.b491236-0ubuntu0mythbuntu1
[04:40] <fluvvell> but mythtv-backend is older ! ? 0.23.0+fixes24158-0ubuntu2
[04:41] <fluvvell> wait, I have a mixture of 0.23 and 0.24 packages, esp in libmyth. That could be my issue!
[04:43] <fluvvell> http://pastebin.com/dJafkmTj my list of packages
[04:43] <Zinn> [pastebin.com] mythtv weird sound issues - Pastebin.com
[04:51] <ion9> any one know why when i add my HDHR source my cable channels no longer show in the guide: running 0.23 on 10.04
[04:52] <ion9> i can setup the cable and it will work but when i add the HDHR all i get is ATSC
[04:58] <foxbuntu> ion9, did you select the guide source on the HDHR input?
[05:01] <ion9> guide is useing SD for both
[05:01] <ion9> two lineups
[05:02] <ion9> ok i now see thay are in the guide but when i chennal up and down watching live tv thay are not there
[05:07] <ion9> if i press C on live TV it will only show one input
[05:07] <ion9> C 	 change inputs on TV Tuner card
[05:09] <ion9> but i can "M" and pick a cable channel and then i'm stuck in cable land have to press M and pick atsc to get back there
[05:24] <ion9> so it look's like channel up and down are for one source in live tv and not all of them
[05:24] <ion9> and you have to use m to change sources
[18:44] <bovine> quick question: is it possible for mythbuntu to have the Video folder pointed to a network drive to PULL video from? no writing or recording being made. I've tried this on my set up but i never get any videos found
[18:46] <rhpot1991> bovine: yes
[18:46] <rhpot1991> mount that network path using smb/cifs/nfs/something
[18:46] <rhpot1991> and then point mythvideo at that mount point
[18:48] <bovine> hrm. I've mounted it using CIFS and changed the options in Mythvideo to point to the IP and then the Video folder so /iphere/video/ but it never finds anything
[18:48] <bovine> the video doesnt need to be all in one single folder does it?
[18:48] <rhpot1991> it shouldn't
[18:48] <rhpot1991> sounds like permissions
[18:49] <bovine> the share is off on a drobo so it basically has "no" permissions to prevent any one from accessing it.
[18:49] <bovine> i can map to the share and access it via terminal and nautilus without issue
[19:16] <bovine> so I have a video share mapped and mounted using this "sudo mount -t cifs -o uid=1000 //<IP_ADDRESS>/drobo/video /var/lib/mythtv/videos" i can then hop out to the var/lib/mythv/videos and indeed see everything i have on the drobo but mythtv is refusing to say anything exists out there. Does it take time for the video list to populate or am i missing something really simple here?
[19:18] <tgm4883> bovine, what permissions are on the folder when mounted?
[19:18] <tgm4883> ls -l /foldername
[19:19] <bovine> drwxrwxrwx for all
[19:19] <bovine> i even copied a single video file into the Trailers folder and that doesnt get seen either
[19:22] <bovine> hrm. there is a "scan for music" button but not one for videos.
[19:23] <tgm4883> bovine, hit M
[19:23] <tgm4883> then scan for videos
[19:24] <bovine> oh wow. that could have been slightly more obvious. :) its scanning now
[19:25] <bovine> TY muchly. I'll find out if this is going to work in a few minutes. Things are running a bit slow because I'm doing all this testing in a VM before I move it to my production machine for the living room
[19:34] <bovine> tgm4883: that worked. i knew it was something very simple that I was mising. Thank you :)
[19:36] <bovine> now to figure out how to change the icons of the folders. The generic icon is just a bit dull
[23:57] <lwizardl> hello
[23:57] <lwizardl> is there a way to enable the print screen key while in mythtv setup?
[23:57] <lwizardl> I am trying to take screen grabs of my configuration