[12:54] <jose> just for the record, all the ubuconla video streams have the slides on them
[19:48] <czajkowski> aloha
[21:15] <jose> ohai!


[09:30] <glitchd> anyone know of a way of setting my password to a shortcut key sequence so i dont have to manually enter it?
[09:31] <glitchd> anyone awake??
[09:32] <valorie> glitchd: where?
[19:01] <Cheesehead> Anyone live today? I need feedback on a blog post before I commit: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/743509/
[19:03] <Cheesehead> Hard to type with this new dog demanding attention all day, but I managed...
[19:18] <akgraner> Cheesehead, :-)
[19:19] <akgraner> Nice way to say thanks there
[19:21] <Cheesehead> akgraner: Thanks
[19:23] <akgraner> Cheesehead, thanks for doing all the brainstorm stuff...I know I tried for a while with a mentor to be an idea reviewer - that didn't go so well then, and now i just don't have time...but I can tell you I sincerely appreciate everything you all do!!!
[19:24] <akgraner> anyone who thinks it's a cakewalk to be a brainstorm moderator or idea reviewer should try it sometime...:-)
[19:24] <Cheesehead> akgraner, thanks for keeping us all informed about what's going on. Quite a vital role!
[19:25]  * Cheesehead commit his first blog post to the Planet
[19:25] <akgraner> that's the beauty of community  - it takes u and i  CommUnIty :-)
[19:25] <akgraner> Cheesehead,  --Congrats on your 1st post!
[19:27] <Cheesehead> akgraner: Thanks. Next up, tomorrow, is getting the IRC sessions moving
[19:28] <Cheesehead> I'm already delayed a week by work (last week quite busy)
[19:29] <akgraner> Yeah - I'm trying to get all the priority Ubuntu Stuff done today and tomorrow - next week is going to be nuts for me
[19:29] <akgraner> s/the/my
[19:30] <akgraner> Cheesehead, all I can do for the IRC Sessions is: help review the sessions (if necessary) and help promote them - wish I could do more but...
[19:32] <Cheesehead> akgraner: Helping to promote is all I really need. That's the part I'm awful at.
[19:33] <Cheesehead> I just need to finalize the schedule, and shout "go!", and the first three months should be pretty smooth.
[19:33] <akgraner> hehe  - no worries when you get it organized and a various points in the process let me know I'll help ya keep the community informed then
[19:34] <Cheesehead> The follow-up afet "go!" is what I'm good at.
[19:34]  * Cheesehead moves the dog out of the way


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[03:01] <NatSocSiD> is there a way to configure "needrestart" to automatically restart the services that need to be restarted after an apt upgrade?
[03:03] <NatSocSiD> nevermind, just found how :)
[10:21] <wingarmac> Hi everyone !
[10:24] <wingarmac> I'm a private Ubuntu server 22.04 LTS user and I've put my webserver online. I would like advice on how to secure my web server with OpenSSL. SO far it seems very expensive for my personal needs.
[10:25] <wingarmac> I would like that people that visites my page do not have security messages to display the page. Can someone help ?
[10:25] <JanC> see https://letsencrypt.org/
[10:27] <joshaspinall> https://certbot.eff.org/
[10:33] <wingarmac> WAW, that was easy ! Thanks a lot JanC
[10:34] <wingarmac> Should I disable the virtual host on port 80 to prevent users going on http:// ?
[10:36] <wingarmac> I've had to change the http:// to https:// on my smartphone so it applies. Any advice on this?
[10:38] <wingarmac> It's rather complicated to explain this to a user that doesn't know the difference between those two. At top of that most browser hide it automaticaly and show the url without it.
[10:38] <wingarmac> If he didn't visit the site, will he be redirected automatically to https ?
[10:39] <wingarmac> I need another outside PC to test it. I do not have one right now.
[10:46] <joshaspinall> you will want to configure the site to automatically forward from http:// to https://
[11:26] <wingarmac> joshaspinall That's right.
[11:27] <wingarmac> joshaspinall Any clue how to ?
[11:29] <joshaspinall> it very much depends on your configuration, specifically which web server you have chosen (apache, nginx, other)
[11:29] <joshaspinall> a quick web search of your chosen server should give you what you need
[12:14] <wingarmac> joshaspinall What do you mean with "A quick web search" ? I use Appache2
[12:16] <wingarmac> joshaspinall You mean I'll find the answer on the web ? I'll do that of course. I was just wondering if someone could redirect me to the right information on the web. There are so much sort of explanations I often get lost on what's the right procedure.
[12:18] <wingarmac> Like for this SSL, I tried it by default on Ubuntu with what I did found on there supported websites, but I got turning arround with the creation of the key files. It's with the procedure on letsencrypt.org you did recommend me that I could solve it finally
[12:23] <wingarmac> I do understand that those examples on the web are made to have a general idea of what we have to setup as a company or enterprise, but it makes it difficult to find what I need precisely as a single home user. I did not need all those complicated settings, rather the simple basics for a little public home server.
[12:28] <wingarmac> joshaspinall I would like to thank you again, for the information provided so far. It's a nice feeling to be able to find a descent help. I would also like to thank again the other guy that did help me with BIND again, but he's on the Belgian channel of Ubuntu probably.
[12:36] <wingarmac> joshaspinall I would also like to access my webmin in SSL from anywhere
[12:39] <tomreyn> even though it is you personal webserver at home in a small setting, as soon as you open it to the internet, it is subject to constant attacks and therefore you need to make sure it is setup properly.
[12:42] <tomreyn> it's difficult to provide a works-for-all http -> https redirect configuration, it may need to be adjusted based on which virtual hosts it is meant to apply to (and which not), and the remaining configuration may need changng if you did not previously have a https vhost.
[12:43] <tomreyn> generally speaking, the first time you introduce https, you want to enable namebased virtual hosts (may already be soe), change the http (port 80) virtualhost to a port 443 virtualhost, and add a new port 80 virtualhost which just does the redirect
[12:46] <tomreyn> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/httpd/redirectssl - use the "Redirect" approach, not mod_rewrite, since rewriting increases server load and should not be necessary most of the time.
[13:00] <wingarmac> tomreyn I've followed the instruction on letsencrypt.org and it has made a copy of the existing port 80 virtual host to 443 on it's own.
[13:01] <wingarmac> I could see a virtual host has been added with the same domain name in the appache's configuration
[13:03] <wingarmac> I'm using Webmin to setup my server: https://ibb.co/mRq71Zw
[13:07] <wingarmac> I changed the server name, with the server's computer name for the virtual host in the html folder. Can I apply this to the public_html virtual host on port 80 to prevent the opening of http:// instead of https:// ?
[13:10] <wingarmac> by default, the virtualhost with root on html, could be openend with both, the name or the IP. I've tried to open it with IP instead of name and it still works. So I presume it will not work this way neider for the virtual hosts with public_html as root.
[13:13] <wingarmac> tomreyn The server contains only itself. I've no private data of importance on it for the time I need to learn how and be able to secure it. So I do not worry much about the attacks. Maybe I'll learn something from it two.
[13:14] <wingarmac> I presume their's no pooint to be the target of such attacks in my case. i've nothing precious to hide or protect.
[13:15] <wingarmac> sorry for my usage of English. I've learned it by helping people in call centers I've been working. So I make lot's of mistakes I guess.
[13:24] <wingarmac> tomreyn I can see this redirection needs another url as target. What if I would like the (www.)mydomain.org to be opened as https?
[13:25] <wingarmac> I need to inverse the setting by creating the home.mydomain.org to redirect to mydomain.org is it ?
[13:34] <PaulW2U> vim
[13:36] <wingarmac> I've read the security advice on http://www.av-comparatives.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/avc_linux_2015_en.pdf for Linux systems. But these points are obvious to me. Before I had my server only local, so I had the desktop running on it. So it was a risk when I use GUI programs like a browser. But now it's running alone on a separate computer. This should be lots safer I presume.
[13:38] <wingarmac> I get noticed by webmin when an update is possible. This helps me maintaining my server up to date. At top of that Ubuntu Pro free subscription is active on it.
[15:13] <tomreyn> wingarmac: sounds good for starters, i guess if you go through cis_level1_server hardening ( https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/comply-with-cis-or-disa-stig-on-ubuntu ) and enable automatic updates you should be good.
[15:14] <tomreyn> regarding how to configure apache httpd using webmin i cannot comment, since i haven't used webmin for many years and don't know what it actually does to the configuration files.
[15:14] <wingarmac> I'm trying to setup LDAP for this time. It seems ... complicated: I try to follow these steps : https://fabianlee.org/2017/02/21/apache2-enable-ldap-authentication-and-ssl-termination-for-ubuntu/
[15:15] <tomreyn> if you want to learn server maintenance it'll be better to use it manually, editing configurations on your own
[15:16] <wingarmac> You're right. But a little motivation, by seeing it works is still welcome. I'll surely reinstall my server many times before I'll now how to handle it.
[15:16] <wingarmac> I've time to go for detailed instructions, but you're right it should be at some point.
[15:17] <tomreyn> oh i don't want to demotivate you, keep going! :)
[15:17] <wingarmac> Thanks !
[15:17] <tomreyn> ldap auth is probably not the first thing i'd recommend setting up, it can involve a high learning curve.
[15:18] <tomreyn> "high" -> "steep"
[15:18] <wingarmac> There are lots of settings I've to work on. At top of that I'll also need to try editing my website on my own. Like you can see I just made a page with Google Slides
[15:19] <wingarmac> I've 3 options in Webmin for user management: MySQL, PostgreSQL, and LDAP
[15:19] <wingarmac> the only that seem to have SSL in these shown options is LDAP
[15:20] <wingarmac> That's why I did select it.
[15:21] <wingarmac> I also presuled it would be the worst to configure. Secure = complicated in many situations
[15:21] <wingarmac> presumed ...
[15:21] <JanC> you don't need SSL internally on the server
[15:22] <wingarmac> I would need to access it worldwide. And later I need it to be avaible to user that connects trough a link on my page so my server gets there dynamic IP to simplifie the maintenance of those.
[15:23] <wingarmac> these people do not intend to use a terminal. It scares them of. That's why they trust me to do that for them.
[15:24] <JanC> the users don't need to connect directly to the database server, I would hope
[15:24] <JanC> they would connect to the web server, and then the web server talks to the database
[15:24] <wingarmac> I'm not sure I know exactly what is needed ot not at this point. You certainly now better as I do
[15:25] <wingarmac> The idea is to get their dynamic IP, with this link, so I can connect to their computer. I need to now how to apply SSL on their PC's too.
[15:26] <wingarmac> Or something like that I can only presume
[15:26] <wingarmac> It's only a concept. I do not yet now what can or not and how to set it up.
[15:27] <tomreyn> hmm it's a bit unclear what you're actually trying to achieve now, maybe focus on describing that as a first step.
[15:27] <wingarmac> I would like to be able to maintain from home, all installs I made for others how agree.
[15:28] <wingarmac> With the use of webmin, if possible
[15:28] <wingarmac> On a secured way of course
[15:28] <tomreyn> what kind of "installs" do you make for others?
[15:29] <wingarmac> Linux: Ubuntu or Cinnamon, they can choose the environment
[15:29] <wingarmac> I present them both. Apple user like ubuntu desktop, Windows user prefer Cinnamon
[15:29] <tomreyn> so you are setting up and  maintaining / servicing, remotely, desktop / laptop computers for others?
[15:30] <wingarmac> Friends and neighbours, yes !
[15:30] <wingarmac> I do this for free, as an hobby, and to help people that do not have money for IT support
[15:31] <tomreyn> there are these graphical remote management softwares for this purpose, such as anydesk, teamviewer, rustdesk
[15:32] <wingarmac> Now I still need a ride to get over there. It would be nice if I could. without Teamviewer on Windows (in the past).
[15:32] <tomreyn> you could use those, or you could use ssh
[15:32] <wingarmac> Nope, I want my own choice. Webmin seems perfect.
[15:33] <tomreyn> i don't think webmin is meant for managing a fleet of remote desktops, but my information may be outdated
[15:33] <wingarmac> I do not want to wait for user interaction when the PC needs reboot, ander other trouble of these kinds
[15:33] <wingarmac> You are right I think. But Webmin do not provide a domain name and an IP.
[15:33] <wingarmac> this is my part of the job to make it do so
[15:34] <wingarmac> Even if I've to setup a VPN for it
[15:34] <wingarmac> the VPN will be set up on my server if I need to
[15:35] <wingarmac> I'm not affraid of complicated. And I've plenty of time ;)
[15:35] <wingarmac> I think it can be done, don't you ?
[15:37] <JanC> you can make those systems automatically SSH into your server with a reverse tunnel; no need for interaction then...  :)
[15:37] <wingarmac> That's the kind of relevant information I like !
[15:37] <tomreyn> you could configure your friends' systems to automatically connect to your vpn server, and then manage them over ssh or - maybe - webmin. you could alternatively (or additionally) configure them to connect to a reverse ssh tunnel
[15:38] <wingarmac> tomreyn would that not cause them to have to remain connected? They should be connected to my network if they do not need maintenance
[15:39] <wingarmac> I would like they get a maximum of privacy.
[15:39] <tomreyn> to be reachable by you, they would need to remain connected to you
[15:39] <wingarmac> That's not the case of teamviewer
[15:39] <JanC> especially if they are behind a NAT
[15:40] <wingarmac> They make it happen with a user account connection. I would rather like a link they should click
[15:41] <wingarmac> In theory I'm sure this make sense. But in practice It will be difficult to set up, because It's not made for it.
[15:41] <JanC> used to be possible with empathy+remmina IIRC
[15:43] <wingarmac> RDP was my first search, but it's under Microsoft license so it seems. I've tested it to get my USB webcam see whats happening home. But it was only a LAN test.
[15:43] <JanC> empathy + remmina + ssh-contact
[15:45] <wingarmac> these options makes me see their desktop. I do not need that. I just need to be able to update packages and get to the terminal to fix broken packages and eventualy configure it this way. This would satisfy me.
[15:46] <wingarmac> JanC would this make it possible ? empathy + remmina + ssh-contact - Remina is for RDP, that's what I did use with the VLC and the USB webcam
[15:46] <JanC> Remmina can do several different protocols
[15:47] <wingarmac> I've not tested it on the other protocols yet. I've seen it tough. It was used on Linux to apply some kind of remote session.
[15:48] <wingarmac> Remina is for pure control. Webmin gives me a general view of the computer status. If I choose. I still prefer my configuration. It will also help me understand the mechanics of websites and SSL.
[15:50] <wingarmac> What are the 2 others you've specified? what are their purpose ? empathy and ssh-contact ? Are those variants of Remmina or plugins to open Remmina secure remotly ?
[15:50] <tomreyn> desktops and laptops don't usually run websites. it's a bit unclear where you see the rleation between the scenario you describe (remotely manage users computers) and "using webmin"
[15:51] <wingarmac> I can install webmin on their system ? What's the problem with that ?
[15:52] <wingarmac> If it is secured so I'm the only that can open the webmin on their computers, what's the proble ?
[15:52] <tomreyn> you could install webmin on every one of their systems, and only make that available from <IP_ADDRESS>. it will consume resources there while it's running, but probably not too many. you would still need an ssh server or similar way to connect to the system securely
[15:53] <tomreyn> https://netbird.io/ or https://www.netmaker.io/ are a way to build a mesh (wireguard) vpn across mutliple locations and behind nat
[15:53] <wingarmac> yes. I think so. That's where I want to go ...
[15:53] <tomreyn> but those may too too much complexity for now
[15:54] <tomreyn> so maybe just start with the ssh reverse tunnel approach and webmin installed on their systems
[15:54] <wingarmac> first things first, my pages need to work like intend to and my own server or PC should be remotly available on internet on a secured way.
[15:55] <tomreyn> that seems like a separate project
[15:55] <wingarmac> If I can understand how to apply that on every install, I can concider the installation on client PC's
[15:55] <wingarmac> Yes, learning how it works
[15:56] <wingarmac> before proposing the service, you need to now you can set it up on a trusty way, Isn't it?
[15:56] <tomreyn> yes, but this shouldn't include a remotely accessible website
[15:57] <tomreyn> at least i would not recommend making webmin available on the internet
[15:57] <wingarmac> The website should provide a link to identify the distant computer on my network and request a connection
[15:57] <wingarmac> It's like a login and password, but I would like it uses the MAC address to identify the computer and it's settings and save the IP to be able to connect with webmin on it
[15:58] <tomreyn> hmm i'm not aware of an existing software for this purpose, there may well be one, but you'll need to search for it, i guess, or write it yourself.
[15:58] <wingarmac> My identification would already be on the computer as the installer of the system.
[15:59] <tomreyn> MAC addresses are only available on a LAN, not a WAN, not routed
[15:59] <wingarmac> You meen I can't see the mac address of a remote computer on the web ?
[16:00] <tomreyn> also, they're easily changed, non-unique and thus pretty weak identifiers
[16:00] <tomreyn> right
[16:00] <wingarmac> I'll use other settings I've made localy to lay the link. It would not be the only information.
[16:01] <wingarmac> it would be some kind of check of the variables, if they are met, I save the IP as a compuer avaible on webmin
[16:03] <tomreyn> first think about the network structure / architecture you'll need, understand NAT and the difficulties it causes, how to work around it, then design your network and application architecture, including the endpoint authentication you have in mind. this will be a very complex system, the way you describe it. not a good first project at all.
[16:04] <wingarmac> My first contact with my ISP concerning my request for subscription change, was: "You don't have a company, so you can't have a pro subscription" But finally I've been able to get it. Because this person didn't know how, did not meen it was not possible.
[16:04] <tomreyn> was that to get a fixed ip address?
[16:05] <wingarmac> Same thing here. I think it's logic. I do test until I proof myself I can't. Then  I confirm it doesn't work. At least for me.
[16:06] <wingarmac> yes, on a cheaper way. Residential it was more money. at top of that, now I've the same package, but it has 15Gb mobile data instead of 5GB. The same subscription residential is total: 130€/month. With the current subscription : 100€/month
[16:07] <wingarmac> I'm glad I made me angry some times on the phone to get it ;)
[16:08] <tomreyn> sheesh, that's a lot of money for so little data.
[16:08] <wingarmac> without the IP I was paying 79€, and it just had an incease to 81€ on my last bill
[16:09] <wingarmac> If you ask support, then it gets ugly everywhere
[16:09] <wingarmac> realy ugly for a private user
[16:09] <tomreyn> anyways, i'm not in .be, can't recommend anything. maybe lotuspsychj3 can recommend something cheaper. but we're off topic now.
[16:10] <wingarmac> these companies gladly ask 1000€/year just for support and lots of options you do not even matter.  I've my ideas crumbling. So I will take a nap.  And many thanks for all your suggestions !
[16:14] <tomreyn> you're welcome :)
[16:22] <JanC> I find it a lot easier (and cheaper) to keep my dynamic IP & have my servers as a VPS somewhere...  :)
[16:31] <tomreyn> if that somewhere is where a connect back shell connects, then a mesh vpn can make sense
[16:35] <JanC> and https://www.edpnet.be/ has more reasonably priced internet/mobile than what wingarmac seems to have
[16:39] <JanC> possibly combined with streaming TV from TV Vlaanderen/Télésat if you need that
[18:08] <wingarmac> JanC Do you know about the Belgian ISP marked ? Proximus is grown out of Belgacom, that was the Belgian RTT before that, a company that was the gouvernements ownership. But due to privaticing of all the companies of the gouvernement, Belgacom has bought all the existing lines that where already build in all the country.
[18:09] <wingarmac> Since then, no ISP has his own lines, they all rent it to Proximus, and have to do higher prices, or use other type of connection, or limited network coverage to some parts of the country
[18:10] <wingarmac> that's how they monoplised this marked in Belgium. The only ISP that has an equivalent of quality here is Telent, but there coverage stop s in the Dutch side of Belgium
[18:10] <JanC> Belgacom/Proximus always owned the copper lines, they didn't have to buy them
[18:10] <wingarmac> It was from RTT, not Belgacom, they bought RTT, with their lines of course
[18:11] <wingarmac> We are in a such small country, that no other providers have the rights to build more lines. (Or it's to expensive to do so)
[18:11] <JanC> RTT is just the old name of Belgacom
[18:11] <wingarmac> Same thing with Wifi and mobile antennas
[18:11] <JanC> before it was a private company
[18:12] <wingarmac> it was RTT, ownership of the Belgian gouvernement, like for the trains and other civil services
[18:12] <wingarmac> Now they've been all privaticed
[18:12] <JanC> RTT became Belgacom when the government converted it from a government agency to a private company
[18:13] <wingarmac> i was still a litlle guy when this all happend
[18:14] <JanC> and when you look at edpnet (or Scarlet, which is owned by Proximus) you can see they have all cheaper contracts than Proximus itself
[18:14] <wingarmac> Yes, let's say the gave it t a politic that could do whatever the benefits with it, instead of being from the state and continue entering money to the country, now its the investors that take it all
[18:14] <wingarmac> Big shit in my opinion.
[18:14] <JanC> Proximus is >50% government owned still
[18:15] <wingarmac> Now Belgian gouvernement is complaining they do not have money, but I'm not wondering why
[18:16] <wingarmac> i do not now the details, only what I could see from the journal and how it felt for people going trough those changes
[18:16] <wingarmac> I've been working a few month also for Belgacom Skynet when I was 18.
[18:16] <wingarmac> That was my first experience in Call center for IT Support
[18:17] <JanC> anyway, I pointed out there are cheaper contracts, it's your choice to make...   :)
[18:17] <wingarmac> I'm now oevr the 40 ;)
[18:17] <wingarmac> long time ago ...
[18:18] <wingarmac> Cheaper doesn't often mean good, that's what I was suggesting
[18:19] <wingarmac> Like you say, it's the choice of the contractor, but he should knwo all the versions of the subject to be able to take a concient choice
[18:20] <wingarmac> for technology, the best of all here to me is Proximus (even if I had prefered there where more choices)
[18:20] <JanC> based on my experience, edpnet is no worse than Proximus or Telenet
[18:20] <wingarmac> I do not yet know. Have you a subscription, or ever had one there?
[18:21] <JanC> in fact, the FITZ!Box routers from edpnet are a lot better than the B-Boxes
[18:21] <JanC> I have edpnet, yes
[18:21] <wingarmac> I've never heard about this provider before. Maybe there are changes on the marked because of this opening of the frontiers
[18:22] <wingarmac> They could let in other type of connections from neighbors. It's interresting. i'll take a closer look later to this ...
[18:22] <JanC> edpnet have been around since 1999
[18:24] <wingarmac> To be honest, with what I knew, and what people I have been trough with their subscriptions on other providers as Telenet and Proximus, I had no reason to look to the others.
[18:24] <JanC> they have to rent copper pairs (for DSL) or fiber from Proximus, of course
[18:24] <wingarmac> Maybe it's time to do so.
[18:26] <wingarmac> That's the big matter. Do you realy think Proximus will rent their best lines to concurence? They will rent those old lines they do not maintain probably. that's for the trust I have in those companies ...
[18:26] <wingarmac> Same thing with their servers when I was young and made free subscriptions for Scarlet. Scarlet was made of those old servers and lines.
[18:27] <JanC> it's just whatever line comes to your house, it's not like they are going to replace them when you choose another provider (that would be horribly expensive)
[18:27] <wingarmac> what about DNS, mail and other servers. Do you realy think they where the same ?
[18:28] <wingarmac> You don't become the most rich company by helping your concurrence.
[18:28] <JanC> edpnet/Scarlet/etc. rent the lines between your house & the DSLAM (or the equivalent for the fiber)
[18:29] <JanC> their servers have nothing to do with Proximus
[18:29] <wingarmac> i do not now of a Belgian cheep subscription for internet that works great.
[18:30] <JanC> edpnet works as good or as bad as a Proximus line in the same house works
[18:30] <wingarmac> I only see people complaining, about its not working, or at proximus, about its to expensive
[18:31] <wingarmac> Why not, if you have one and you seem to trust it. It's worth a try I think.
[18:32] <wingarmac> just now, I will not change on your words. I'm sure you understand that. @top of that, I have no normal subscription, you shouldn't compare with the prices I've mentioned. But rather look what you need.
[18:33] <wingarmac> And decide for yourself.
[18:33] <JanC> what's "not normal" about it?
[18:33] <wingarmac> I have a pro subscription. Not residential
[18:33] <JanC> so, like this: https://www.edpnet.be/en/business/internet.html
[18:34] <JanC> I doubt you really need that, but...
[18:34] <wingarmac> I've the 3th one+fixed IP of 30€/month https://www.proximus.be/fr/id_cb_all_businessflex_packs/independants-et-petites-entreprises/all-businessflex-packs.html
[18:35] <wingarmac> for total of approximately 100€/month
[18:37] <JanC> is that DSL? what speeds?
[18:37] <wingarmac> I had the same pack for residentials before, but with the biggest internet (79€/month) and no IP at that time
[18:37] <wingarmac> DSL
[18:37] <wingarmac> Fiber in street
[18:38] <JanC> why do you need the pro anyway?
[18:38] <wingarmac> Cheaper
[18:38] <wingarmac> I do not understand why neider
[18:39] <wingarmac> 79€/monthe was the price for my residential pack on 12/2022. In januari it has augmented to 89€/month. if I took the IP, I was over the 100€/month
[18:40] <wingarmac> Now I pay 100€/month for all my needs, and at top of that I've 15Gb mobile data instead of 5Gb
[18:40] <wingarmac> Not interesting ?
[18:41] <wingarmac> Again, do not ask me why it is so ... because I do not know how they decide their prices
[18:41] <JanC> as I said before: I would run my servers as a VPS somewhere & not pay for fixed IP at home
[18:41] <wingarmac> You do it right for your purpose, I do it right for mine.
[18:41] <JanC> but you can get what you have now for less than what Proximus asks...
[18:42] <wingarmac> not sure of that
[18:42] <wingarmac> cheaper doesn't mean it's the same at all
[18:42] <wingarmac> I'll not taking the risk
[18:43] <wingarmac> I trust in Proximus their tech
[18:43] <wingarmac> Even if I dislike their commercial practices
[18:44] <wingarmac> I trust in those guys of the pro IT services. They do their job verry well. The only problem is that their commercial do not respect people and take them for ignorant ones.
[18:45] <JanC> e.g. Pro internet including fixed IP & service contract is €65.95 at edpnet, mobile with 15GB data would be maybe €20 extra
[18:45] <wingarmac> (Maybe they are thinking right for most people, but that doesn't excuse these ways
[18:46] <wingarmac> Can I get everywhere internet, what about coverage? Is it all belgium ?
[18:46] <JanC> but I still don't really understand why you need fixed IP  :)
[18:46] <wingarmac> My hotspot works allmost everywhere in Belgium
[18:47] <wingarmac> It's only for my personnaly. You don't choose your car only because its cheep or its options because you need those. But because you wanna try and see.  Netflix, GForceNow, Youtube, ... if you take this away, you could do the same
[18:48] <JanC> I spend €0 on all of those  :P
[18:49] <wingarmac> The "worth" depends on the "I like" or "I wish" for each of us. Not the I need.
[18:50] <wingarmac> The "I need" is only for those that can't afford what they realy would like.
[18:50] <JanC> okay, so why do you wish/like a fixed IP at home?  :)
[18:50] <wingarmac> To probe it, test what ever I can do without (only legaly) Study and test
[18:51] <wingarmac> Making my PC available this way, and setup my computer for once in my life like proffessionals do
[18:51] <wingarmac> This experience, was a child's dream I had.
[18:51] <wingarmac> Do you understand ?
[18:51] <JanC> I'm pretty sure most professionals run their servers in the cloud nowadays  ;)
[18:51] <wingarmac> Your right again, that doesn't change my own dreams
[18:52] <wingarmac> When I was 15, there where no clouds
[18:52] <wingarmac> I was using a 56K modem
[18:53] <wingarmac> verry expensive to pay/min
[18:53] <wingarmac> and oh so slow !
[18:53] <wingarmac> It was a pain in my a ...
[18:54] <wingarmac> Now i've my own server running on its public IP, I feel like a child again
[18:55] <wingarmac> PS: I'm no pro at all
[18:55] <wingarmac> I'm a private
[18:55] <JanC> I run my own (virtual) server(s) at a hosting company  :)
[18:55] <wingarmac> How old are you if I might ask ?
[18:56] <wingarmac> You probably grown up with more evoluated techs as I did because you're younder. Or you studied informatics somehow, what I did not, and do not know as much as you do.
[18:56] <wingarmac> younger
[18:57] <wingarmac> younger or wiser ?
[18:57] <wingarmac> or both maybe ?
[18:57] <JanC> I'm old enough to remember dial-up back when modems weren't 56kbaud yet  :)
[18:58] <wingarmac> And what about your knowledge, how did you acquire it ?
[18:58] <wingarmac> self-taught or studies ?
[18:58] <lotuspsychj3> wingarmac: im currently on scarlet.be a 70/10 vdsl2 line for 32 euro
[18:58] <alkisg> wingarmac: I didn't read the whole conversation, but if you want to make your home server available, you can use your-hostname.duckdns.org with dynamic IPs
[18:58] <JanC> lotuspsychj3: and I'm sure it works as fast as Proximus on the same line  :)
[18:59] <JanC> for a lot less
[19:01] <wingarmac> https://postimg.cc/4nckMNdR DynDNS in my router. Those are services compatible to use with Proximus, so you don't need a fixed IP
[19:01] <wingarmac> I do not care. I've what I wanted. I would like to provide myself ;)
[19:02] <wingarmac> not to depend of another service.
[19:02] <lotuspsychj3> JanC: i used to be on proximus too, where i payed 160 euro for business line
[19:04] <JanC> IMO the only reason to get pro/business contracts is if you need same-day repairs & such for business reasons
[19:04] <wingarmac> lotuspsychj3 And, what was your experience of it? What was included in your package ?
[19:04] <JanC> or if you need a full symmetric fiber, of course
[19:04] <wingarmac> You haven't with the subscription I have. This is only for verry big enterprises you get that, and its with least lines and such
[19:05] <lotuspsychj3> well its too long ago to still be valid for now, speeds were also not yet like now
[19:05] <wingarmac> At least at Proximus for what I know
[19:07] <wingarmac> They do provide some advice like illustrated on their website, but I do not trust it neider https://www.proximus.be/fr/id_catb_business_booster/independants-et-petites-entreprises/marketing-digital.html
[19:07] <wingarmac> I do not need all this crap. So I did not look closer
[19:09] <wingarmac> Probably usefull for a company. It's not my case at all
[19:10] <wingarmac> I'm just a fan of computers that want to test a new toy. There's no need to do the same as I do
[19:11] <wingarmac> I'm not an example to follow at all.
[19:11] <wingarmac> No need to look after a reason
[19:13] <wingarmac> It's rather a choice as a reasoning. I have no financial interest. So why compare with me. I do not earn money with it.
[19:13] <wingarmac> I just play my game. "I did it my way !"
[19:14] <wingarmac> I also had to face my last curtain at some point.
[19:14] <wingarmac> Now I'm always at home and have plenty of time.
[19:15] <wingarmac> So I can test everything I like !!!
[19:16] <wingarmac> Linux is a perfect mach to do so ! So lets talk Ubuntu again !
[19:18] <wingarmac> In a first place I thought it could be lots easier to setup this IP, but I didn't consider the routing to the IP of the router. In the past It was possible even here to connect directly.
[19:18] <wingarmac> I thought I could setup this public IP direct in the system. I've learned a lot these few days.
[21:42] <wingarmac> Hi again ! I wonder if somebody can help with this command on LDAP: https://docs.thoughtspot.com/software/latest/ldap-test I've changed the information with my settings, but the command is wrong, or I used it on a wrong way. This line return is confusing.
[21:43] <wingarmac> It results in ldapsearch: unrecognized option -
[21:44] <wingarmac> Even if I put the all command on the same line it gives an error
[21:44] <wingarmac> I would like to check if it's running and see what's going wrong somehow
[21:46] <wingarmac> When I tried to access the web server from outside the LAN (on LAN no access to domain yet), it's prompting for a user and pasword. I did pass this, but the page isn't displayed anymore.
[21:46] <wingarmac> So I presume there is something wrong with the LDAP installation and setup
[22:11] <wingarmac> With this command I could see its running without errors: apache2ctl configtest
[22:11] <wingarmac> [Sat Feb 04 22:08:25.741524 2023] [ldap:debug] [pid 43512:tid<PHONE_NUMBER>32288] util_ldap.c(2630): AH01311: LDAP: Setting referral chasing Off
[22:11] <wingarmac> Syntax OK
[22:13] <wingarmac> But when I try this I get: nc -v wingarmac.org 636
[22:13] <wingarmac> nc: connect to wingarmac.org (<IP_ADDRESS>) port 636 (tcp) failed: Connection refused
[23:10] <sdeziel> wingarmac: maybe poke the private IP of the LDAP server instead of your public IP?


[00:06] <grimesb> hi
[02:14] <al_> hi
[06:14] <BigP> I am very new to linux ubuntu and simply am having trouble where to find the version i am running? anyone able to help out? peeweespc.com is my site so far. We are custom building a few imacs we have to run ios,ubuntumate,windows 7 virtual and bliss android7.0. Just need to know how to find what version of ubuntu we are running.  The previous install of the same version worked just fine, i even ran updates in hopes that the issue resolves itself, no such luck however. Is there some special driver i m
[09:44] <Chandler_Vercett> ight need for the Logitech G933 wireless headset or anything like that?
[09:45] <diogenes_> Chandler_Vercett, do you happen to work at Best Buy?
[09:45] <Chandler_Vercett> um.. no
[09:45] <diogenes_> ok
[09:45] <Chandler_Vercett> why?
[09:46] <diogenes_> just confused you with another dude
[09:46] <Chandler_Vercett> ah
[09:47] <diogenes_> Chandler_Vercett, maybe you should install some sort of firmware drivers for your system
[09:47] <diogenes_> look in driver manager
[09:49] <Chandler_Vercett> you talking about aditional drivers in control center or something else
[09:52] <diogenes_> Chandler_Vercett, something like that yes
[09:52] <m4t> Chandler_Vercett: i have a different headset (turtle beach) and one thing i know is it only likes a certain type of input. if uncompressed pcm, non-audio bit has to be unset on the iec958 frames. if it's e.g. dolby digital then it *has* to have the non-audio bit else it tries to decode it as pcm, and sounds like static garbage
[09:52] <Chandler_Vercett> the only things i get is the driver for my GPU and CPU microcode firmware
[09:53] <m4t> Chandler_Vercett: maybe pull open the audio settings and try various output configs e.g. analog stereo output or digital (iec958) output
[09:55] <Chandler_Vercett> m4t i only get one output option, just Logitech G933 Gaming Wireless Analog Stereo
[09:55] <m4t> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[09:55] <m4t> sorry
[09:56] <Chandler_Vercett> is that all u had to do to get your headset working?
[09:57] <Chandler_Vercett> on my other laptop which is running the same distro, it works just fine with no issues at all
[09:57] <Chandler_Vercett> both systems are running 16.04.3
[09:58] <m4t> no i had to modify the driver to set different configuration registers on the chipset lol
[09:58] <m4t> in order to play digital. cuz the non-audio bit was static
[09:59] <Chandler_Vercett> hmm
[09:59] <m4t> but yours seems to work elsewhere fine so i dunno
[09:59] <m4t> usb connected right?
[09:59] <Chandler_Vercett> i don't even get the slightest bit of sound, just static
[10:00] <Chandler_Vercett> yes
[10:00] <Chandler_Vercett> works great under windows 7
[10:00] <m4t> sound from which application?
[10:00] <m4t> anything?
[10:00] <Chandler_Vercett> system wide
[10:00] <Chandler_Vercett> everything is static
[10:01] <m4t> i guess you could check which sample rate it's trying to use
[10:01] <Chandler_Vercett> how would i do that?
[10:01] <Chandler_Vercett> the audio control panel is quite limited
[10:02] <m4t> uhm maybe try find /proc/asound -name stream0
[10:02] <m4t> it might have that
[10:02] <m4t> if you cat it it shows supported sample rates and current sample rate
[10:02] <m4t> maybe compare the 2 on working and non-working linux systems
[10:04] <m4t> i guess another thing to try would be to launch alsamixer (from alsa-utils pkg) and mess with the settings there
[10:05] <m4t> e.g. press 'm' to mute/unmute
[10:05] <m4t> various controls
[10:05] <m4t> it might not have a mixer though, in which case that wouldn't let you see the card
[10:07] <Chandler_Vercett> nothing for my headset is muted in alsamixer
[10:08] <m4t> which controls does it give that are *not* volume controls. some are just mute/unmute
[10:08] <m4t> but i'd check the stream0 thing
[10:08] <m4t> or stream1 potentially
[10:09] <m4t> i'd compare what you see there with another working linux system
[10:10] <Chandler_Vercett> i'll give it a look
[10:10] <m4t> k
[10:12] <Chandler_Vercett> works perfectly on that system, fresh untouched install as well
[10:12] <Chandler_Vercett> no crackling at all
[10:17] <Chandler_Vercett> m4t everything looks the same across both systems
[10:17] <m4t> check dmesg for clues? try different usb ports?
[10:18] <Chandler_Vercett> oooh!
[10:18] <Chandler_Vercett> it works
[10:18] <Chandler_Vercett> i think it doesn't like my USB 3 bus
[10:19] <m4t> ah
[10:19] <m4t> cool
[10:19] <Chandler_Vercett> which is odd because my storage drive is connected through said ports
[10:19] <m4t> i've got a usb sound interface that doesn't work right on usb3 but works fine on usb2
[10:19] <Chandler_Vercett> hmm
[10:19] <Chandler_Vercett> odd
[10:19] <m4t> yea i dunno
[10:21] <Chandler_Vercett> problem is i only have 2 usb 2.0 ports on my motherboard excluding the ones at the front of my case
[10:21] <m4t> hub?
[10:23] <Chandler_Vercett> don't have one, i'll just move my keyboard over to the USB 3, it's working on there
[10:25] <Chandler_Vercett> yep, that was the issue, i moved my reciever base's cable to a USB 2 port and that fixed it
[10:26] <Chandler_Vercett> awesome, that helps a lot, now i just gotta figure out why VMWare workstation isn't installing properly
[10:26] <Chandler_Vercett> thank you though for the tips
[10:27] <m4t> np
[10:28] <Chandler_Vercett> i am off, good night/morning everyone
[13:52] <Guest81525> yo, I have a problem: mozilla keeps crashing... please help
[13:55] <sam-Blueman> yo, I have a problem: mozilla keeps crashing... please help
[14:03] <sam-Blueman> yo someone connected
[14:04] <diogenes_> sam-Blueman, pi?
[14:06] <pep_> anyone know of a multi miner cpu/gpu for cryptonight-lite
[17:37] <xmetal> hmm having some sort (while i am on a nightly build atm it did happen before i clean formatted 17.10 too) issue with Xorg where i get auto-logged out back to the welcome screen (logging back in, always wants to send an error report repated to Xorg) ... THOUGHT it was related to installing/removing snaps since that is when it use to only happen, now it happened again and I wasn't doing anything with snaps
[17:52] <Boyette> hi im trying to find an application like spotnet or spotlite for ubuntu mate
[17:52] <diogenes_> Boyette, what does it do?
[17:53] <Boyette> its to connect to usenetservers
[17:54] <Boyette> usenet providers
[17:55] <Boyette> so i need a usenetclient
[17:55] <Boyette> hmm maybe sabnzbd
[17:59] <xmetal> hmm this xorg (?? still dont 100% know whats going on, but it seems to be related to xorg crashing, as I said) thing has me curios
[18:12] <daniel_> Hey! New to Linux, and Im not sure if this is the right place to ask. I think I might have a BIOS-virus or a rootkit
[18:13] <daniel_> Im on a laptop. Removing my BIOS would be very difficult
[18:13] <daniel_> Anything I can do to fix/solve this?
[18:13] <Boyette> why do you think that
[18:13] <diogenes_> daniel_, who told you that you have a bios virus?
[18:14] <daniel_> Thing is, Im not sure, but I strongly suspect it. Long story. However, the only solution would be to fix this
[18:14] <daniel_> People I know who do this type of shit have been near my pc
[18:15] <daniel_> I dont know, its not relevant. But how do I make sure I dont have it/remove it?  I really hope so
[18:21] <xmetal> My Lenovo (lost $140 on the warrenty, but at least THAT got me my $699 back) got bit by that BIOS issue that was in the news a few months ago
[18:21] <Boyette> lenovo has a history of bringing malicious content
[18:22] <diogenes_> I would not recommend lenovo to anyone who wants to run linux,
[18:22] <Boyette> just format it all before you use it
[18:22] <diogenes_> even for windows I'd never buy it
[18:22] <daniel_> what type of BIOS issue, xmetal? the built in adware/spyware?
[18:22] <daniel_> or security vulnurability (aka for hackers)
[18:22] <daniel_> ?
[18:22] <xmetal> ... hackers?
[18:23] <daniel_> yeah, thats what im asking about
[18:23] <daniel_> trying to protect my pc from hackers
[18:23] <xmetal> note that it happened to me before any 17.10 release was even in alpha mode ... by MONTHS ... https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/12/ubuntu-corrupting-lenovo-laptop-bios (picked link at random)
[18:24] <daniel_> and the only way I guess my linux would be hacked, would be if i had a bios virus. i dont download anything/dont visit shady sites
[18:24] <daniel_> so it has more to do with ppl have been around my pc or hacked it remotely
[18:25] <xmetal> like i said before as soon as (I think it was pope y .... space before the Y so i dont ping him, unnecessarily) that mentioned it after an episode of LUP ..
[18:29] <daniel_> btw, how does this chat work? is everything deleted after a while?
[18:29] <Boyette> @diogenes im using sabnzbd now but after installation it runs like some chrome addon.. what i dont like :P
[18:32] <daniel_> or is this logged forever?
[18:32] <daniel_> ah, nvm, got it
[18:33] <diogenes_> Boyette, some chrome addons you can run as styandalone apps
[18:33] <diogenes_> standalone
[18:38] <Boyette> well i think its not supposed to be a chrome addon but it behaves like that
[18:38] <Boyette> https://sabnzbd.org/wiki/
[18:39] <Boyette> but i dont understand why
[20:59] <iseeyou> hi
[21:00] <iseeyou> hi
[21:00] <Boyette> hi
[21:01] <iseeyou> from?
[21:02] <Boyette> NL
[21:02] <iseeyou> DE
[21:02] <Boyette> i know
[21:02] <iseeyou> were?
[21:03] <Boyette> ipconnect.de
[21:04] <iseeyou> ahh
[21:05] <iseeyou> nice..
[21:12] <Boyette> offcourse its not a guarantee but indication
[22:37] <ole_denmark> hello friends clsscr in g++ whats the order ?
[22:41] <ole_denmark> ok i go to bed


[01:51] <xubuntu73w> Hi, I am installing xubuntu on a Mac mini.
[01:52] <xubuntu73w> It is doing this wired thing where it is using only the center portion of the screen.
[01:52] <xubuntu73w> The UK does not stretch full screen
[01:52] <xubuntu73w> *ui
[01:53] <xubuntu73w> Has anyone seen this problem?
[01:53] <Eickmeyer> xubuntu73w: That likely has something to do with your video chipset. If it's nVidia, it's a common problem on macs.
[01:54] <Eickmeyer> Other than that, there are some tweaks that need to happen in my experience to get the OS to make full use of the mac, but that varies model to model.
[01:54] <xubuntu73w> I see.
[01:55] <xubuntu73w> Actually xubuntu 16.04 was okay.
[01:55] <xubuntu73w> But my USB got corrupted somehow and thought I might want to try 18
[01:57] <Eickmeyer> Considering 16.04 is nearing end-of-life this month, that was probably a good idea. However, as with any mac, it probably requires a little tweaking to get it to work properly.
[01:57] <Eickmeyer> Sadly, it's been a long time, so I don't quite know what resources to give you.
[01:57] <xubuntu73w> Right
[01:57] <xubuntu73w> I will try to look around some more.
[01:58] <Eickmeyer> Okay. Best of luck, and the #ubuntu IRC room is also a resource for you.
[01:58] <Eickmeyer> It's much busier than here, and supports #xubuntu equally.
[02:01] <xubuntu73w> Cool
[02:02] <xubuntu73w> Out for now
[02:02] <xubuntu73w> exit
[05:04] <OldSwabbie> Every Time I login, I have to report a crash.  I have found this file named _sbin_plymouthd.crash. My version is 18.04 and from an Answer from Askubuntu - suggested for this version to do an apt-get install plymouth-x11
[05:04] <OldSwabbie> I have tried this and received this message - unable to locate ....
[05:09] <OldSwabbie> Other suggestion were to - chown or chmod - both to location /lib/plymouth  ..  Would this be the proper location of this program ?
[05:14] <diogenes_> OldSwabbie, run: sudo apt update then apt search plymouth
[05:18] <krytarik> OldSwabbie: Do you usually get the boot animation Plymouth provides or not?
[05:18] <OldSwabbie> I have run your suggested update previously.  Would I still need to execute it again for this process and always prior to any install ?
[05:18] <diogenes_> no
[05:20] <OldSwabbie> Since my original install, the answer would be, No.  This issue has occurred two normal independent update then upgrades since the install ....
[05:33] <OldSwabbie> libplymouth4/bionic-updates,now 0.9.3-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> amd64 [installed]
[05:33] <OldSwabbie>   graphical boot animation and logger - shared libraries
[05:33] <OldSwabbie> plymouth/bionic-updates,now 0.9.3-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> amd64 [installed]
[05:33] <OldSwabbie>   boot animation, logger and I/O multiplexer
[05:33] <OldSwabbie> These showed up among others listing ....
[05:35] <OldSwabbie> plymouth-label/bionic-updates,now 0.9.3-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> amd64 [installed]
[05:35] <OldSwabbie>   boot animation, logger and I/O multiplexer - label control
[05:35] <OldSwabbie> This additional and three (3) others .....
[05:36] <diogenes_> scroll thru that list and look for plymouth-x11
[05:38] <OldSwabbie> plymouth-x11/bionic-updates 0.9.3-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> amd64
[05:38] <OldSwabbie>   boot animation, logger and I/O multiplexer - X11 renderer
[05:38] <OldSwabbie> This showed up as the last item that was listed ...
[05:40] <diogenes_> sudo apt install plymouth-x11
[05:40] <OldSwabbie> BTW, diogenes - Thanks for the assistance ! ....
[05:40] <diogenes_> no problem
[05:43] <OldSwabbie> Here is a partial results :  (Reading database ... 178290 files and directories currently installed.)
[05:43] <OldSwabbie> Preparing to unpack .../plymouth-x11_0.9.3-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_amd64.deb ...
[05:43] <OldSwabbie> Unpacking plymouth-x11 (0.9.3-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>) ...
[05:43] <OldSwabbie> Setting up plymouth-x11 (0.9.3-1ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>) ...
[05:43] <OldSwabbie> update-initramfs: deferring update (trigger activated)
[05:43] <OldSwabbie> Processing triggers for initramfs-tools (0.130ubuntu3.7) ...
[05:44] <diogenes_> !pastebin | OldSwabbie
[05:45] <OldSwabbie> I would thing the proof would be in doing a Restart and log back in to see if this is now corrected ....
[05:46] <OldSwabbie> Thanks for the instruction for this Newbie of the IRC ....
[05:46] <diogenes_> ok reboot
[05:57] <OldSwabbie> OldSwabbie is back .....
[05:59] <OldSwabbie> It looks like I have some more work to do.  I received another report button to press and the named file was only slightly different _sbin_plymouthd.0.crash  ......
[06:01] <diogenes_> you could try: sudo systemctl disable plymouthd
[06:01] <diogenes_> the; sudo update-initramfs -u
[06:02] <diogenes_> reboot
[06:07] <OldSwabbie> Got it and will try even though it is 0200 in Ohio and will also update you as the results per execution ...
[06:08] <diogenes_> maybe first you need a nap?
[06:10] <OldSwabbie> I need more than a nap especially when you have Sleep Apnea ....  good comment he, he ....
[06:13] <OldSwabbie> first command results = plymouthd.service does not exist  ....   This could be the issue due to my other updates along with upgrade and that it wasn't there and now something is needing this service ....
[06:14] <diogenes_> sudo apt install plymouth
[06:17] <OldSwabbie> results = plymouth is already the newest version (0.9.3-lubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>).  0 upgraded,  0 newly installed,  0 to remove and 15 not upgraded.  ....
[06:19] <diogenes_> did you install the system or upgraded?
[06:21] <OldSwabbie> I installed fresh from DVD from Linux Mag more than four (4) months ago and did not receive this issue until I had done a more recent, like say two (2) weeks ago a matched set of sudo apt update and then upgrade ...
[06:24] <diogenes_> then it might be a bug, you could try: sudo apt purge plymouth
[06:24] <diogenes_> reboot
[06:27] <OldSwabbie> Ok !  see you on the other side .....
[06:31] <OldSwabbie> Received a =  dpkg : Warning :
[06:33] <OldSwabbie> While removing lightdm, directory ' var/lib/lightdm-data ' not empt so not removed  ....
[06:33] <OldSwabbie> Should this be a worry ? ? ...
[06:34] <diogenes_> lightdm should not be involved
[06:35] <diogenes_> pastebin the entire output
[06:35] <diogenes_> before hitting Y
[06:37] <OldSwabbie> But that was the Warning.  Yes was already entered and this was the resultant output ....  First time for pastebin ...
[06:39] <krytarik> Well, that will have left you without a display manager, i.e. login screen.
[06:41] <OldSwabbie> still want a pastebin or should I recover or reinstall lightdm ?
[06:42] <diogenes_> OldSwabbie, something is very wrong with yoursystem.
[06:42] <diogenes_> first you got plymouth installed but no plymouthd service
[06:42] <diogenes_> then you went ahead to purge it but it hooked up the lightdm
[06:42] <OldSwabbie> Yeah,  I guessed at that after the report button showed-up ....
[06:44] <diogenes_> OldSwabbie, run this: apt list --installed | grep lightdm
[06:46] <OldSwabbie> you got it ... and to use pastebin is this done seperately or with imgur,  this is my confusion at this point ....
[06:46] <diogenes_> !pastebin
[06:47] <diogenes_> you open https://paste.ubuntu.com
[06:47] <diogenes_> paste the output and share the link
[06:52] <OldSwabbie> Here is the address -- https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4nF6BM93sr/  .....
[06:52] <OldSwabbie> Thanks for the patience ....
[06:53] <OldSwabbie> Would you still want the purge listed information ? ?
[06:53] <diogenes_> no problem
[06:53] <diogenes_> yes
[06:54] <diogenes_> and run: sudo apt install lightdm
[06:54] <OldSwabbie> Got it !  ....
[07:00] <OldSwabbie> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vt2Mvhvgb5/  ....
[07:01] <diogenes_> OMG
[07:01] <OldSwabbie> What ! ? ?
[07:02] <OldSwabbie> Holding on install at this time,  just-in-case .....
[07:02] <diogenes_> that's insane amount of important packages that have been removed, run: sudo apt install light-locker lightdm xubuntu-artwork xubuntu-core xubuntu-default-settings xubuntu-desktop
[07:03] <diogenes_> and don't reboot untill those all finish installing
[07:03] <OldSwabbie> Then Thanks !  for that OMG .....
[07:04] <OldSwabbie> I figure that this may take a while,  from your comment of experience .....
[07:05] <diogenes_> normally when you purge plymouth it should only remove its related packages and not touching your other system packages but this one was unexpected, no clue what is that and why did it remove even lightdm, very strange and weird.
[07:06] <krytarik> diogenes_: https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/lightdm - because lightdm depends on plymouth.. for some reason.
[07:07] <diogenes_> krytarik, oh that's wrong in my opinion, i wasn't aware of that because i'm using a slightly different distro now but well, that's sad they did hook it up to lightdm.
[07:08] <krytarik> diogenes_: I went back till Trusty on packages.u.c and it's there already too.
[07:10] <OldSwabbie> setting to run this lengthy install,  any other info prior to execution ?  I'm not sure which Mag was the DVD was from since I do have Linux Format and Linux Pro also and I would have to check which to inform you it actually came from for your info possible needs .....
[07:10] <diogenes_> krytarik, not on debian strectch: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/lightdm
[07:10] <diogenes_> stretch*
[07:13] <diogenes_> OldSwabbie, if you continue having this issue AND if it's your only working machine and you have no others, then i'd strongly recommend you BEFORE rebooting, download the latest LTS xubununtu iso, write it to a flashdrive or burn it to a DVD and just have it nearby in case you gonna end up with a broken system so you have a media to re-install it from.
[07:16] <OldSwabbie> Understood and this is why I had created this install with a separate mountable -- slash Home directory and I have not backedup as yet.  So this laptop will be left on till your suggestion and backed up home, then  .....
[07:19] <diogenes_> if it has a separate /home then it's ok and you still need to have an installation media with you and then all is fine, now i'm gonna be offline for a short while, there is plenty people here that could help you further on, good luck.
[07:23] <OldSwabbie> Since it is almost 0330 and I need my beauty rest,  I'm going to set it run the install and then download the LTS iso  ...   Here I go and thanks to all your support .....
[07:53] <OldSwabbie> The full line of installed ran only about > 8 minutes <, and I have captured the text from execution of the install command.  ....  I then captured the results after saying Yes ....  I will create two new pastebin if requested.  I need to get some sleep and I will leave the system on and running ....
[07:56] <OldSwabbie> Here is the pastebin for prior to executing the line of Installed  --  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Jp3cmTWff8/
[07:57] <diogenes_> nice
[07:57] <diogenes_> any errors?
[07:59] <OldSwabbie> AND here is the text of the Command AFTER execution  --  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DDHg45d7J3/
[08:00] <diogenes_> you should be fine, now run: sudo apt upgrade
[08:01] <diogenes_> let's make sure u got the latest upgrades
[08:03] <OldSwabbie> Here is the text results Pastebin for this Upgrade command  --  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tKqJWkP6yW/  .....
[08:04] <OldSwabbie> My wife will be up in about two (2) hours for her Work .....
[08:05] <diogenes_> ok
[08:05] <diogenes_> now you gonna have to reboot
[08:05] <diogenes_> and it should be ok
[08:06] <OldSwabbie> I have Not executed the Upgrade and I have not downloaded the ISO ....  I a bit light in my head needing rest, at this time and need to sleep and leave this system running .....
[08:08] <diogenes_> that's the best idea i suggested at the beginnjng.
[08:09] <OldSwabbie> I will now say Yes and it should not be long for it to execute,  I guess.  I see that we are on the same page as to leaving the system up and running and the Human to obtain rest .....
[08:14] <OldSwabbie> Had a slight interruption with my Wireless connection while at about 70% of the progress bar and then it reconnected and then completed....  Making a final pastebin for this info .....
[08:15] <diogenes_> ok
[08:18] <OldSwabbie> Here is the resultant Pastebin for the Upgrade processing -- FYI  .... --  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6d48RB4kJP/  ....
[08:20] <diogenes_> looks good
[08:20] <OldSwabbie> I have say that this is my first time to use IRC for support of anything and I have to say even though I am becoming a bit hazy ...  This has been a Positive experience and I again Thank You !
[08:21] <diogenes_> you can now rest with no worries
[08:21] <diogenes_> you're welcome.
[08:22] <OldSwabbie> Thanks !  I am now going to leave everything as planned and pickup in my AM after hopefully at least six (6) hours of rest considering I have Sleep Apnea .....  Your assurance is appreciated ! ....
[08:23] <diogenes_> ok sleep well!
[08:24] <OldSwabbie> I will say Good Morning for where ever you are and also Good Night ......
[11:22] <ochosi> and gtk is at fault (sort of) for not ensuring the tooltips are shown within the display constraint7
[11:23] <ochosi> woops
[21:33] <Swizzy> Hey everybody I am curious about one thing in particular. I am running Xubuntu LTS 18.04 on my Intel NUC. This small computer only has a combined headphone/Microphone jack. Generally speaking will Xubuntu support adapters that split the signal into mic/headphone jack?
[21:33] <Swizzy> IF NOT, what about usb adapters that provide Headphone/mic jack? (though I would much prefer not to use a usb port for that)
[21:42] <gnrp> Swizzy: I would have thought this is already supported?
[21:42] <gnrp> I am on a Thinkpad X1 Carbon here and I think I used that functionality already
[21:43] <Swizzy> Okay that's good to hear. Just wanting to make sure before I purchase one
[21:45] <gnrp> don't take my word for granted, though!
[21:45] <gnrp> I have no way to test it right now, but I have already been using that, pretty sure
[21:45] <Swizzy> Because if I remember correctly, using a headphone that has mic/headphone (like the iphone headset) didnt seem to work on my thinkpad some time ago
[21:46] <gnrp> actually, let me check
[21:47] <gnrp> yes, works. Tested with Bose something 200 headphones (in-ear noise canceling) and a 6th Thinkpad X1 Carbon
[21:47] <Swizzy> ah sweet, thanks !
[21:47] <Swizzy> Will see if anyone else has an opinion on the matter, but this does push me towards actually selling my desktop computer and only using the nuc
[21:48] <gnrp> if you want that, is another question.... ;)
[21:49] <gnrp> I personally would never trade my desktop for a nuc or anything similar
[21:49] <Swizzy> I mean here is the deal, it has a decent two core Processor with hyperthreading
[21:49] <Swizzy> 8GB of RAM and an m.2 ssd
[21:50] <gnrp> I mean, the big benefit of a desktop for me is that I can upgrade it (GPU, RAM, CPU, infinite HDDs/SSDs) and that I can replace parts if something break
[21:50] <gnrp> s
[21:50] <Swizzy> almost no energy consumption. It does have its appeal to me
[21:50] <gnrp> if you have space constraints, it totally makes sense
[21:51] <Swizzy> Also not being able to play classic wow when it comes out will save me from losing all my free time >:>
[21:51] <gnrp> hehe, that I can understand. ;)
[21:52] <gnrp> on the other hand, are you sure it won't run on modern integrated GPU? It is 14 years old, after all
[21:52] <Swizzy> They are releasing an upgraded version
[21:53] <Swizzy> Its not running on the old engine, just looks that way if you want to
[21:53] <Swizzy> I mean maybe at 720p.. but I don't think I want to do that to myself
[21:53] <gnrp> how decadent! :O
[21:53] <gnrp> :P
[21:54] <gnrp> but that might actually be an option for me. Although there are too many other games to be played first
[21:55] <Swizzy> But well the NUC can run Runelite (an open source oldschool runescape client)
[21:56] <Swizzy> and also SNES emulation should be okay, maybe even N64(?)
[21:57] <gnrp> I was actually thinking of mor emodern stuff. Things that I always thought I should be playing, but never did, like Bioshock
[21:57] <gnrp> what nuc do you plan to buy? I guess the integrated gpu might sitll be pretty performing?
[22:00] <gnrp> anyway, looking at the time, I have to go to bed. gn8!
[22:03] <Swizzy> Goodnight!
[22:04] <Swizzy> I already have the NUC up and running, just looking at an adapter because the whole not having headset is a pain


[00:01] <gump744> urraka: thats working thanks..everything I put in usr/share/pixmaps shows up in the whsiker menu icon properties choices...just have the find the right icon...
[00:01] <urraka> good ;)
[00:01] <pflanze> Hum, now it works, missed the panel app somehow or it only showed up now.
[00:01] <gump744> looking for a white hamburger menu and black is all I can find but the panel is black
[00:02] <urraka> pflanze, on my netbook wireless would randomly work and stop working without installing a thing (i'm guessing it's the binary driver you mentioned)
[00:11] <pflanze> hm.
[00:11] <pflanze> This actually is a netbook (eee pc 1008)
[00:12] <urraka> agh i'm giving up on this... i'm trying to change the alt+Rclick window resize hotkey to something that doesn't require the keyboard but no luck so far (i was thinking something like middle click or middle click + right click)
[00:13] <urraka> any ideas on how to achieve that?
[00:15] <urraka> i tried making middle button trigger the alt key using xbindkey and xte but for some reason that's not helping
[00:20] <urraka> pflanze, if it's a broadcom wireless this might help you in case you keep having issues http://askubuntu.com/questions/55868/installing-broadcom-wireless-drivers
[00:20] <urraka> there's a list that says what to install for whatever you have
[00:42] <pflanze> How do you install software from xubuntu (apt)?
[00:42] <pflanze> Can't find synapctics in the menu.
[00:49] <squinty> pflanze,  synaptics
[00:50] <knome> pflanze, sudo apt install synaptic
[00:50] <squinty> pflanze,  sudo apt install synaptic
[00:51] <pflanze> Why is it not installed by default then?
[00:51] <pflanze> And what is this "Software" thing on it?
[00:51] <knome> pflanze, because gnome software (^) is installed
[00:52] <squinty> which is buggy
[00:53] <pflanze> So why does it not install synaptic instead by default? I mean, the xubuntu project has control over this no?
[00:53] <knome> pflanze, the xubuntu team decided to install software
[00:54] <squinty> the previous software manager is still available in repo's   sudo apt install software-center
[00:54] <knome> pflanze, synaptic is not the perfect choice for new users
[00:54] <pflanze> Well the user of this laptop is a new user.
[00:54] <knome> pflanze, and the old software center is unmaintained and unsupported by the upstream
[00:54] <pflanze> But "Software" doesn't work at all, empty search results.
[00:54] <knome> pflanze, please file a bug
[01:14] <xubuntu22w> Hello ,I need help,I installed Xubuntu 16.4 but in the Terminal it says no soundcard,what can I do?
[01:40] <martin___> hi, xorg broken. When I do startx or startxfce I get "error while loading shared libraries: libxkbfile.so.1", does anyone know what is the package containing that file?
[02:07] <pflanze> File-roller behaves oddly: seems to show a new progress bar/number of files every 2000 files or so.
[02:07] <pflanze> And seems unexpectedly slow. Slow netbook though.
[02:10] <urraka> the "Software" app worked "fine" for me after an update
[02:10] <urraka> still not great because it's slow and you don't find everything you can install from apt there
[02:11] <urraka> that's probably intended i guess, but whatever
[02:56] <Andrio> pflanze, that seems like it's trying to avoid wasting time by constantly updating the progress bar.
[14:40] <Orioa> ok i have a silly question....does anyone know how to keep a say web browser size you make it and have it open the same size after you reboot or shutdown for the night
[14:45] <GeekDude> Orioa: Might be a terrible suggestion, but you could try some trickery with xdotool
[14:46] <GeekDude> "xdotool getactivewindow getwindowgeometry" gets a window size/pos, and "xdotool getactivewindow windowsize width height" sets the width/height of the active window
[14:47] <GeekDude> I'd need to poke around a bit more in the manual before I could come up with any truly useful advice though
[14:48] <Orioa> im not that computer savey
[14:52] <flocculant> Orioa: you can also use devilspie (gui for that gdevilspie) - that'll let you set the size, workspace etc for an application
[14:56] <Orioa> k ty
[14:57] <flocculant> Orioa: if you use that - add devilspie to session startup > application autostart
[15:02] <Orioa> hmm installed it but it won't run
[15:05] <flocculant> not had issues with it for cycles - run it from a terminal - what does it say?
[15:06] <Orioa>   File "/usr/bin/gdevilspie", line 893, in <module>
[15:06] <Orioa>     MainWindow = RulesListWindow()
[15:06] <Orioa>   File "/usr/bin/gdevilspie", line 374, in __init__
[15:07] <Orioa>     self.UpdateAutostartStatus()
[15:07] <Orioa>   File "/usr/bin/gdevilspie", line 545, in UpdateAutostartStatus
[15:07] <Orioa>     if (os.path.exists(xdg.DesktopEntry.xdg_config_home + "/autostart/devilspie.desktop")):
[15:07] <Orioa> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute '
[15:09] <flocculant> Orioa: are you using trusty 14.04?
[15:09] <Orioa> yes
[15:09] <flocculant> ok - hang on a moment
[15:12] <flocculant> Orioa: please run dpkg -l gdevilspie |pastebinit
[15:12] <flocculant> then give us the url
[15:12] <flocculant> that bug was fixed I thought
[15:13] <Orioa> http://paste.ubuntu.com/16683852/
[15:14] <flocculant> a not fixed version
[15:15] <flocculant> Orioa: Alt+F2 - in the command box pkexec mousepad /usr/bin/gdevilspie
[15:15] <flocculant> enter your password
[15:16] <flocculant> in mousepad - view - enable line numbers
[15:16] <flocculant> go to line 374 and put a # at the beginning
[15:16] <flocculant> save and try and open gdevilspie again
[15:17] <Orioa> (mousepad:4633): Mousepad-ERROR **: Cannot open display:
[15:17] <Orioa> Trace/breakpoint trap
[15:18] <flocculant> oh I'm an idiot
[15:18] <flocculant> trusty ... use gksudo mousepad /usr/bin/gdevilspie from a terminal
[15:18] <flocculant> that should work
[15:22] <Orioa> mousepad doesn't show line numbers can you tell me what it starts with
[15:22] <flocculant> in the menu's > View> Line Numbers
[15:22] <Orioa> nm got it
[15:24] <Orioa> didn;t work still nothing
[15:24] <Orioa> whoops hold on
[15:25] <Orioa> ok got it thank you
[15:27] <Orioa> bbl have to take shower before work and again thank you very much
[17:33] <knob> This bug is driving me crazy: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=355720#c17
[17:34] <knob> Can I ... install those update files into my installation?  The files from Comment 17
[17:49] <ratpack> hello folks
[17:49] <ratpack> I need some help to solve a small riddle at my 16.04 xubuntu whisker menu...
[17:54] <pleia2> ask away
[17:54] <ratpack> ok
[17:55] <ratpack> at instant some of my whiskers sub menus disappear and i didn't know how to make them reappear
[17:55] <ratpack> I tried se menu editor bbut found nothing that fixed it again
[17:56] <ratpack> se= the
[17:58] <ratpack> how could I solve this?
[21:10] <r3b00t> Hi
[21:11] <r3b00t> I was trying to reset my ubuntu one password but
[21:12] <r3b00t> the password reset mailer never reaches my inbox
[21:12] <r3b00t> any help pls?
[21:12] <r3b00t> i have subscribed with msn account
[21:12] <r3b00t> if that helps
[22:31] <urraka> how come i installed xubuntu in english but the calendar stuff shows up in spanish
[22:32] <urraka> is it guessing my language from timezone or sometihng
[22:33] <urraka> that wuldnt make sense actually, but it must be autodetecting somehow
[22:36] <urraka> easily fixable in language settings apparently, but kind of odd that it doesn't just use english which is what i chose during installation
[23:42] <xubuntu512> anyone speak french?   i have a trouble with the grub..   he cannot install the grub, and i dont understand this, and im poor with english :(