[12:00] <error_29> must be a file I could edit somewhere for that
[12:00] <shock> hoi
[12:00] <error_29> iceWM has some really nice themes
[12:01] <shock> is there a dock for wmaker apps in ubuntu-gnome ?
[12:01] <robtaylor> geppy: i think it tries to be intelligent :/
[12:01] <ajay> New to Ubuntu.  so i have a couple of questions.  is there anyway to install software like goobox on warty on powerpc?
[12:01] <robtaylor> geppy: probably alsa if its there
[12:01] <geppy> robtaylor:  =/
[12:01] <pixelmonkey> does anyone notice that in Hoary's evolution, quoting of e-mails is broken?
[12:01] <geppy> robtaylor:  I'm not getting any sound.
[12:01] <robtaylor> geppy: have you got esd or polypaudio running?
[12:01] <dstevens> Does anyone know of a port of http://www.asterisk.org/ Asterisk PBX i know there is a debian iso, but not ubuntu as far as i see.
[12:01] <jinty> hey robtaylor
[12:02] <geppy> robtaylor:  I've tried with/without ESD, with/without JACK (hah, yeah right), and I've got OSS and ALSA working, as well as PortAudio.
[12:02] <geppy> robtaylor:  I've tried both with and without.
[12:02] <robtaylor> on that note does anyone else keep getting messages about /dev/dsp in use with the new polypaudio stuff ?
[12:02] <robtaylor> jinty: hey!!!
[12:02] <robtaylor> geppy: warty right?
[12:02] <geppy> robtaylor:  Right.
[12:02] <jinty> Didn't expect you around these parts
[12:03] <robtaylor> jinty: just hanging out ;) hoary's been giveing me jyp recently :(
[12:04] <WeirdAl> Can I have an answer that'll actualy work please? :-\
[12:04] <geppy> robtaylor:  Oh, it seems to only work with ESD, and I just realized that my "testing" last night was when I was way too tired to think clearly.  You have to kill all instances of firefox for it to see that ESD is running.
[12:04] <robtaylor> geppy: ahha
[12:05] <neighborlee> anyone else having trouble with automounting in hoary ?
[12:05] <robtaylor> i'm starting to worry about the polypaudio plan :/
[12:05] <geppy> On that note...    Does the gstreamer swf decoder work well, and, if so, does it work with firefox?
[12:05] <geppy> robtaylor:  There's nothing better, at the moment.
[12:05] <robtaylor> geppy: libswf sucks, i'm afraid
[12:06] <WeirdAl> Someone tell me how to make a launcher that stays around after I press OK?
[12:06] <geppy> robtaylor:  JACK is pretty badass.  As soon as ESD is implemented as a client, as well as OSS and ALSA, it should be good for everyday use.
[12:06] <robtaylor> geppy: well i had my system set up with dmix and that was working much better than i expected..
[12:06] <geppy> robtaylor:  Oh.  Other than the flashplayer-nonfree, are there any good players?
[12:06] <geppy> robtaylor:  True, but then you can't use OSS apps.
[12:06] <robtaylor> geppy: yep. i have a whole plan for pushing for jack everywhere after hoary =)
[12:06] <geppy> robtaylor:  And there's no way to do a wrapper.
[12:06] <robtaylor> with gst-jackasyn
[12:06] <geppy> robtaylor:  Why not stary not? =D
[12:07] <geppy> haha
[12:07] <geppy> Awesome.
[12:07] <geppy> robtaylor:  I'm working on esd-jack. =D
[12:07] <robtaylor> and rtp transports for remote desktops
[12:07] <geppy> =D
[12:07] <robtaylor> geppy: see above =)
[12:07] <S1nn3r> hi all
[12:07] <geppy> =)
[12:07] <robtaylor> i mean it. i'm just putting a badass gstreamer rtp plugin into gst-plugins as we speak
[12:07] <geppy> Need beta testers? =)
[12:08] <geppy> hahaha
[12:08] <robtaylor> heh
[12:08] <geppy> autoconf is teh sux0r
[12:08] <robtaylor> well it rocks and sucks simuntanously i find
[12:08] <geppy> hahaha
[12:08] <geppy> Yeah.
[12:08] <robtaylor> kinda like a granny
[12:08] <geppy> hahahaha
[12:08] <robtaylor> (with mints! with mints! you dirty minded... ;) ;) )
[12:09] <geppy> hahahahahahahahahahaha =)
[12:09] <S1nn3r> anyone know why alsa ant detecting my sound card on startup (am in the process of first run after install .. updateing now)
[12:09] <robtaylor> right, back to autofoo..
[12:09] <dstevens> mum jokes i can handle but nan jokes are just plain wrong!
[12:10] <S1nn3r> is alsa support for all the supported soundcards set up in ubuntu or ?
[12:11] <robtaylor> dstevens: it was safer than the other analogy that popped in my head...
[12:11] <nixman> anyone can tell me any reason why the usb mouse would just not light up when i plug in ? i know the mouse works.
[12:11] <LinuxJones> S1nn3r, what sound card do you have ?
[12:11] <det> how does the ubuntu package repository get built? mirror of Debian and then individual packages are modified?
[12:13] <dstevens> robtaylor: i bet it was.
[12:13] <S1nn3r> LinuxJones: VIA 82xx
[12:13] <nico2012> ciao people =)
[12:13] <robtaylor> det: totally autobuilt from source forked off controlled imports of debian unstable, i believe
[12:13] <akurashy> hello im having some weird issues in ubuntu hoary, i installed everything fine and all but some apps doesnt run, like my xmms,  when i play a music it freeze and my bzflag when i type the command to run it it says there no bash
[12:13] <S1nn3r> LinuxJones: thats the driver ive needed for the onboard sound in the past
[12:13] <nixman> which package i have to install to make sure usb mouse works ?
[12:13] <robtaylor> nixman: should Just Work
[12:13] <LinuxJones> S1nn3r, the oss drivers are probably loaded what does lsmod | grep via output
[12:13] <geppy> nixman:  If it doesn't light up, then it's broken.
[12:14] <geppy> nixman:  It doesn't matter if it's detected; it should light up if it's working.
[12:14] <LinuxJones> S1nn3r, if the oss drivers are loaded then alsa will not work
[12:14] <nixman> geppy, it lights up until ubntu boots. and it works fine in that other os.
[12:14] <det> robodex, do apt-get.org sources in general work with Ubuntu?
[12:14] <geppy> nixman:  Do you have the USB libraries?  Idon'
[12:14] <S1nn3r> LinuxJones: its still cleaning up after the first run and update.. will get back to you when its done
[12:14] <LinuxJones> S1nn3r, okie :)
[12:14] <geppy> nixman:  I don't think that you actually have to download those anymore, though.
[12:15] <error_29> If I wan't to try hoary, what's the best approach, just update stuff from the server, or burn a cd and reinstall everthing?
[12:15] <apokryphos> error_29: The former, definitely.
[12:15] <nixman> geppy, i did not had the usb mouse at install time. not sure if they got installed or what they are
[12:15] <LinuxJones> error_29, you can update using apt-get or synaptic
[12:15] <S1nn3r> hmm why isnt ALSA the default .. OSS is pretty much dead
[12:15] <geppy> nixman:  No idea.
[12:15] <S1nn3r> apart from legacy support that is
[12:16] <error_29> thanks.  I'm gonna take the plunge, since I finally had the sense to make a seperate home partition
[12:16] <LinuxJones> S1nn3r, I don't know why the alsa drivers aren't working out of the box, oss probably ahs taken control for some odd reason
[12:16] <nixman> geppy, i am suspecting some pkges are missing. i dont see any thing logged in var/log/messages when i plug unplug
[12:17] <robodex> det: pardon?
[12:17] <robodex> did you mean robtaylor? ;)
[12:18] <S1nn3r> LinuxJones: arg, hm.. so how do i go about killing OSS in ubuntu ?
[12:19] <LinuxJones> S1nn3r, you will have to unload the modules
[12:19] <LinuxJones> S1nn3r, then add the alsa modules using modprobe
[12:19] <geppy> nixman:  No idea.
[12:19] <geppy> nixman: Sorry.
[12:20] <det> robodex, yes :(
[12:20] <robodex> hehe np ;)
[12:20] <nixman> anyone else can suggest must have pkgs for a usb mouse ?
[12:21] <S1nn3r> LinuxJones: probibly have to go looking for the alsa conf to right ?
[12:21] <LinuxJones> nixman, your usb mouse isn't working ?
[12:21] <LinuxJones> S1nn3r, alsaconf isn't installed in Ubuntu by defaule :(
[12:21] <nixman> LinuxJones, yes ... unfortunately. what are the must have pkgs ?
[12:21] <LinuxJones> err default
[12:22] <LinuxJones> nixman, usbhid usbcore
[12:22] <S1nn3r> LinuxJones: oh great, so much for the install and go idea then, heh
[12:22] <LinuxJones> nixman, but they whould be loaded automatically
[12:22] <LinuxJones> nixman, unplug your mouse then plug it back in again
[12:23] <zenrox> nixman,  you  have to reconfigure your xsever
[12:23] <TetrisMaster> will the free demo of Partition Magic partition a drive sucessfully?
[12:24] <nixman> LinuxJones, i did that multiple times. with no logs in /var/log/messages
[12:24] <LinuxJones> S1nn3r, 1 set backward to take 2 steps forward :)
[12:24] <nixman> zenrox, it does not light up even ?
[12:24] <S1nn3r> LinuxJones: so first get rid of OSS modules,make sure the alsa ones are loading then create the alsa conf file ?
[12:24] <zenrox> my usb mouse works just fine and its wireless
[12:24] <zenrox> and my keyboard too
[12:25] <nixman> TetrisMaster, there is a free alternative partimage if i remember correctly and it comes with knoppix.
[12:25] <zenrox> qtparted
[12:25] <LinuxJones> S1nn3r, yeah basically
[12:25] <TetrisMaster> nixman knpppix wont run correctly on my computer :(
[12:25] <shock> damnit... i want a middlemousebuton menu for applications in gnome!
[12:26] <dataw0lf> parted.
[12:26] <nixman> TetrisMaster, what you tried and what was wrong ?
[12:26] <zenrox> shock, i want to get my mouse to scroll sidewas
[12:26] <S1nn3r> LinuxJones: think im gonna see if i can get Nvidia acell up and running first.. then go back to alsa heh
[12:26] <shock> :D
[12:27] <zenrox> lol
[12:27] <carajean> is it a good idea to upgrade to hoary?
[12:27] <LinuxJones> S1nn3r, that's pretty easy to do did you see the howto on the ubuntu site ?
[12:28] <LinuxJones> carajean, how new are you to Linux ?
[12:28] <TetrisMaster> wont recognise monitor correctly, and there are other errors that i dont know of
[12:28] <S1nn3r> LinuxJones: yep.. which is precisely why im doing that first .. always do the easy stuff first
[12:29] <carajean> very new well i been usin it since about xmas
[12:29] <nixman> TetrisMaster, try some of the options explained in F{2,3,4} specially the vga options
[12:29] <TetrisMaster> i cant even log into root
[12:30] <LinuxJones> carajean, well it is working ok for me but it is a development branch and can have some issues for people from time to time
[12:30] <nixman> LinuxJones, usbhid and usbcore are not loaded in etc/modules. which order should they get loaded
[12:30] <LinuxJones> nixman, lsmod | grep usb        are they listed ?
[12:30] <WeirdAl> Anyone know an FTP command that'll let me GET everything in a directory?
[12:31] <WeirdAl> While I'm here
[12:31] <ompaul> WeirdAl, mget *
[12:31] <WeirdAl> ty
[12:31] <nixman> LinuxJones, i only have usbcore loaded
[12:31] <LinuxJones> nixman, modprobe usbhid
[12:32] <LinuxJones> nixman, that should be loaded by default
[12:32] <WeirdAl> know a way of stopping it asking me for y/n for each file?
[12:32] <neighborlee> im' running the ut2k4 installer via : sh linux-installer.sh..its working but i'm not getting the nice 'loki' gui installer..instead I get what looks like ncurses ( ugly)...why is it doing this ? ;-))???
[12:32] <stuNNed> neighborlee: that is the new installer ;)
[12:32] <neighborlee> haha yeah right ..funnny <<<
[12:33] <LinuxJones> WeirdAl, during an upgrade ?
[12:33] <LinuxJones> WeirdAl, sorry
[12:33] <nixman> LinuxJones, i restarted hotplug after loading the module still no life !
[12:33] <WeirdAl> No, just normal FTP There are 86 files in here and it's asking for confirmation on
[12:33] <WeirdAl> all of them.
[12:34] <stuNNed> ompaul: hah!
[12:34] <WeirdAl> I want to go to bed :-p
[12:34] <TetrisMaster> how can i ghange vga parametes?
[12:34] <LinuxJones> nixman, unplug then plug back in your usb mouse then tail /var/log/messages
[12:34] <stuNNed> TetrisMaster: what parameters?
[12:34] <LinuxJones> nixman, is there any power to your mouse ?
[12:35] <LinuxJones> nixman, is it an optical ?
[12:35] <nixman> LinuxJones, no light at all .. and still no logs
[12:35] <Nermal> WeirdAl, type prompt
[12:35] <nixman> LinuxJones, yes
[12:35] <farruinn> any warty users have their mouse turn black randomly?
[12:35] <LinuxJones> nixman, argh....it's not like shut off in bios by accident or somthing :D
[12:35] <ompaul> WeirdAl, okay stop the transfer and type prompt - this toggles that effect
[12:35] <ompaul> ohh
[12:35] <WeirdAl> thanks guys :-)
[12:36] <WeirdAl> It's a learning experience in here!
[12:36] <nixman> LinuxJones, cant be works fine under xp on the same box (a laptop)
[12:36] <WeirdAl> I'm going to bed
[12:36] <LinuxJones> nixman, usb suppor tis usually awesome in linux wth is going on
[12:36] <WeirdAl> Thanks all for any help I may or may not have received today.
[12:37] <nixman> LinuxJones, no idea as well !
[12:38] <LinuxJones> nixman, I wish I had an answer for you
[12:38] <nixman> LinuxJones, i just tried all the 3 usb ports. has to do with software
[12:38] <LinuxJones> nixman, what kind of motherboard do you have ?
[12:38] <ompaul> I doubt if it is of use in the real world
[12:38] <nixman> LinuxJones, no idea its a brand new laptop. compaz presario r3440
[12:39] <LinuxJones> nixman, god who knows what hardware they have in that :(
[12:39] <nixman> LinuxJones, usb controller from nvidia
[12:39] <LinuxJones> nixman, you have one of those nforce thingy's ?
[12:40] <LinuxJones> nixman, lspci might off a clue
[12:40] <nixman> LinuxJones, yup nforce3 2 are 1.1 and one looks like 2.0
[12:40] <nixman> LinuxJones, i just did that ...
[12:40] <LinuxJones> nixman, that's a start let me search google
[12:41] <Nermal> :)
[12:42] <photoguy41> does anyone know of a good place to get login screens and backgrounds?
[12:42] <ompaul> photoguy41, apart from generating them yourself you can get "gnome" themes
[12:43] <photoguy41> where?
[12:43] <Nermal> art.gnome.org
[12:43] <tritium> and http://www.gnome-look.org/
[12:43] <photoguy41> i would love to set up my own themes, but that seems hard
[12:44] <ompaul> photoguy41, well do what you can one step at a time - only make small adjustments
[12:44] <photoguy41> how would you make your own icons?
 i would love to set up my own themes, but that seems hard -- not hard... just time consuming
[12:44] <ompaul> Nermal, that was several orders of magnatitude faster than I could have typed it
[12:45] <photoguy41> yeah, thats what i ment
[12:45] <Nermal> ompaul, and I've been drinking :)
 gimp
[12:45] <ompaul> Nermal, coffee?
[12:45] <Nermal> beer :)
[12:45] <ompaul> ahh
[12:45] <Nermal> or inkscape
[12:45] <Nermal> for vector stuff
[12:46] <ompaul> Nermal, would you use vector stuff for icons?
[12:46] <ompaul> Nermal, or more to the point
[12:46] <photoguy41> what size would i make them?
[12:46] <Nermal> for svg you would
[12:46] <Nermal> ompaul, jakub has some thoughts on inkscape in his blog
[12:46] <ompaul> Nermal, actually I now see the logic, not a bad idea
[12:47] <ompaul> at al
[12:47] <ompaul> all even
[12:47] <ompaul> photoguy41, well you would make them the size that suits your desktop
[12:47] <Nermal> ompaul, :)
[12:47] <Nermal> icons. uh... make them big and shrink them down
[12:47] <photoguy41> yeah
[12:47] <Nermal> 64x64, 32x32, 24x24
[12:47] <Nermal> etc
[12:48] <ompaul> photoguy41, what Nermal actaully said
[12:48] <photoguy41> is there a program i would use for GDM's?
[12:48] <Nermal> gimp
[12:48] <aardvark> has anyone here tried to upgrade to hoary via apt/synaptic
[12:48] <Nermal> there is probably an xcf template floating around
[12:48] <Nermal> aardvark, aye
[12:48] <Nermal> via apt
[12:49] <LinuxJones> aardvark, yeah
[12:49] <photoguy41> aardvark?
[12:49] <dilou> hello evrybody
[12:49] <aardvark> actually I need to get a list of the apt entries to do
[12:49] <stuNNed> ompaul: lol :)
[12:49] <nixman> LinuxJones, i'll catch up with you later if you find anything ... this is puzzling me. wife cannot wait longer :-)
[12:49] <stuNNed> hi dilou
[12:50] <LinuxJones> nixman, :)
[12:50] <dilou> hi stuNNed
[12:50] <dilou> i want some help
[12:50] <LinuxJones> welcome dilou
[12:50] <dilou> i begin with linux
[12:50] <dilou> i m not very good
[12:50] <dilou> and i want to install
[12:50] <dilou> the jre
[12:50] <dilou> with mozilla firefox
[12:50] <dilou> and i don't know how to do
[12:50] <aardvark> where can I get a list of entries for apt in order to upgrade to hoary ?
[12:50] <dilou> ... please help me
[12:50] <ompaul> Nermal, and just for fun my wife actually is running ubuntu on her first computer - I must change over one of these days
[12:51] <dilou> thx LinuxJones...
[12:51] <ompaul> stuNNed, what has you laughing so much?
[12:51] <Quest-Master> dilou: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[12:51] <dilou> ok thx Quest-Master
[12:51] <stuNNed> ompaul: apt-getting makes me happy?
[12:51] <ompaul> stuNNed, yeah :)
[12:52] <Nermal> dilou, ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[12:52] <LinuxJones> dilou, I don't know if this might help also >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingJavaSupport/view?searchterm=jre
[12:52] <Nermal> worked for me :)
[12:52] <aardvark> hoary apt entries anyone ?
[12:52] <dilou> thk u very much LinuxJones and Nermal
[12:52] <poofyhair> hello
[12:52] <Nermal> aardvark, um.. just switch warty for hoary
[12:52] <Nermal> lo poofyhair :)
[12:53] <kroon> Any news on wether Mono will be supported in hoary ?
[12:53] <Nermal> umm. it's in hoary
[12:53] <Nermal> not sure what you mean by supported
[12:53] <aardvark> Nermal, that simple......its too simple
[12:53] <photoguy41> what program is used to edit xml files
[12:53] <Nermal> aardvark, thats what I thought
[12:53] <Nermal> it worked though
[12:53] <kroon> Nermal, its in universe, not in main, that is it is not supported
[12:53] <ompaul> photoguy41, you can use any editor to do that
[12:53] <Nermal> then do apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:53] <Nermal> kroon, ah
[12:54] <aardvark> Nermal, thanks
[12:54] <photoguy41> when i try to open it in gimp it wont let me
[12:54] <Nermal> aardvark, best do it without X running
[12:54] <poofyhair> there is a troll Ubuntu review on Os news
[12:54] <Nermal> heh
[12:54] <LinuxJones> poofyhair, what's the link ?
[12:54] <poofyhair> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9793
[12:55] <DeusY> hello
[12:55] <ompaul> photoguy41, one of the things about ubuntu and linux in general is that there are many ways to do a job, if I was to edit files of that kind I would most likely use bluefish but that is me
[12:56] <photoguy41> im going to have to read about it
[12:56] <photoguy41> thanks for your help
[12:56] <Nermal> "I tried to play a Metallica DVD but Totem, the software provided, threw up its hands and instantly admitted defeat. I know that the code to read DVDs is available, but apparently not in the Gnome world."
[12:56] <Nermal> what a complete tard
[12:56] <DeusY> i need to reinstall from it's cd the Warty release. The current instalation has been updated in time. Where can I find the update files to backup so that I will not need to download them again ?
[12:56] <Da1> hello all
[12:56] <Nermal> DeusY, /var/cache/apt/archives
[12:57] <Da1> i need some help big time
[12:57] <DeusY> Nermal thanks
[12:57] <aleitner_> how can i register a new inet protocol with a new application?
[12:57] <Da1> can someone help me please?
[12:57] <Nermal> well.. whats the problem
[12:57] <Nermal> don't make us work for the info as well as giving you an answer
[12:57] <aleitner_> there used to be a capplet in gnome-control-center to do that, but with gnome 2.10 i cannot seem to find it anymore...
[12:58] <LinuxJones> poofyhair, they don't even have proper grammar in that article
[12:58] <Da1> i have 2 HDD's, the master has windows xp on it and the slave has this ubuntu os on it, i think, well i want top have a dual boot screen so i can boot into winxp when i want
[12:58] <poofyhair> damn, this article makes me mad.......:(
[12:58] <Nermal> alainm, I presume that would be some mime.conf file ;|
[12:58] <poofyhair> 2 seconds in the Ubuntu guide would have fixed everything
[12:58] <Nermal> poofyhair, aye.. one more retard to add to the list :/
[12:58] <LinuxJones> poofyhair, "It was not happy with my choices and only allowed my to continue with the installation after I had also formatted my /home partition."
[12:58] <Nermal> a metallica dvd.. I ask you...
[12:58] <ompaul> poofyhair, so do not get mad get even - write a rebuttal
[12:59] <Da1> i have 2 HDD's, the master has windows xp on it and the slave has this ubuntu os on it, i think, well i want top have a dual boot screen so i can boot into winxp when i want
[12:59] <robodex> I know one guy who wrote ubuntu off because he said the apt repository sucked
[12:59] <robodex> and I asked him if he enabled universe
[12:59] <robodex> he didn't
[12:59] <Spotlight> hello?
[12:59] <Nermal> Da1, it should have spotted it
[12:59] <Spotlight> does this work?
[12:59] <AngryClip> is it possible to have a different wallpaper on each of my virtual desktops?
[12:59] <Nermal> if not add it to /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:59] <ompaul> Spotlight, does what work?
[12:59] <Da1> well it instantly goes into ubuntu
[12:59] <Nermal> Spotlight, no
[01:00] <Spotlight> ok, good
[01:00] <Spotlight> lol
[01:00] <Spotlight> just checking
[01:00] <Da1> nermal how can i make sure it has not overwritten my winxp wdd?
[01:00] <Nermal> Da1, mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/<mountpoint> ?
[01:00] <Da1> im new to this
[01:00] <Da1> :/
[01:00] <Spotlight> i need help with my installation of ubuntu on a really old computer
[01:00] <Da1> what do i do?
[01:01] <Spotlight> anyone want to help me
[01:01] <Spotlight> please
[01:02] <ompaul> Da1, I suppose if you typed df you could see if where / was like in my case the returned information is  /dev/hda3             45311744   5519708  37490324  13% / you will note the /dev/hda part if you have that in your table you might just have
[01:02] <Nermal> Spotlight, ffs.. whats wrong
[01:02] <TetrisMaster> Does any1 in here know much about "Vector Linux" i have a C:\\ drive in NTFS 80gigs, and a D:\\ drive FAT32 120 gigs, i want to load up vector linux on my C:\\ drive....will vector linux automatically promt me to create partitions when loading...and will that partition method result in loss of original data?
[01:02] <Spotlight> ok
[01:02] <Da1> nermal its mounted at /dev/hdb1
[01:02] <Nermal> oh
[01:02] <Spotlight> i tried installing ubuntu on a 166 mhz computer with 32m of ram
[01:02] <Nermal> right.. bedtime
[01:02] <Spotlight> i did the custom install
[01:02] <Nermal> Spotlight, eep.. I had trouble with 32mb ram
[01:02] <TetrisMaster> i am running XP, and do not have Partition Magic
[01:02] <neighborlee> sudo ./linux-installer.sh
[01:02] <neighborlee> sudo: unable to execute ./linux-installer.sh: Permission denied ???
[01:03] <Spotlight> it locks up everytime and starts looping a thing that tells me it enters low memory mode
[01:03] <Nermal> neighborlee, chmod 755 linux-installer.sh ?
[01:03] <neighborlee> Nermal, I can't its on disk
[01:03] <mike998> chmod +x linux-installer.sh
[01:03] <Nermal> o
[01:03] <neighborlee> but thx just the same
[01:03] <dilou> doesn't work ...
[01:03] <Da1> ompaul it says /dev/hdb1
[01:03] <dilou> i m so sad
[01:03] <Spotlight> i want to make a web server (very simple one), would you recomend a different version of linux
[01:03] <ompaul> neighborlee, sudo sh linux-installer.sh
[01:03] <Spotlight> i don't want to find ram for this old thing
[01:04] <Nermal> dilou, ?
[01:04] <dilou> yes Nermal
[01:04] <dilou> it doesn't work
[01:04] <ompaul> Da1, so you did not over write the first partition
[01:04] <ompaul> Da1, so you did not over write the first drive even
[01:04] <Da1> so why cant i boot into win xp
[01:04] <Nermal> oh.. it worked fine for me
[01:04] <TetrisMaster> can anyone help me in Vector Linux version 5.0 SOHO??
[01:04] <Nermal> following the guide
[01:04] <Da1> is there a way to make a dual boot screen?
[01:04] <ompaul> Da1, cd /boot/grub
[01:04] <neighborlee> ompaul, k ill try that
[01:04] <dilou> yes i try to do so but doesn t work Nermal
[01:05] <Nermal> TetrisMaster, why would we be able to answer vector linux questions in an ubuntu linux channel?
[01:05] <ompaul> Da1, cat menu.lst
[01:05] <Da1> ok ompaulim there
[01:05] <Nermal> dilou, an error message would be nice
[01:05] <neighborlee> ompaul, well that worked..its loading but I stilll get the nasty ncurses GUI instead of the nice 'loki' one .sigh ;(
[01:05] <TetrisMaster> dont know....dont know many other linux channels
[01:05] <Nermal> if you actually want some help
[01:05] <Spotlight> CAN ANYONE RECOMEND SOME VERSION OF LINUX TO WORK ON AN OLD COMPUTER, I MEAN VERY OLD
[01:05] <dilou> but it is in french Nermal
[01:05] <Spotlight> ubuntu seems to lock up
[01:05] <Nermal> Spotlight, don't shout
[01:05] <Da1> ompaul i have entered that
[01:05] <ompaul> Spotlight, don't should please, you will not get an answer that way
[01:05] <Spotlight> i am not shouting
[01:05] <Nermal> Spotlight, debian probably
[01:05] <Spotlight> ok
[01:06] <ompaul> Spotlight, capitals are shouting in irc :)
[01:06] <Spotlight> ok
[01:06] <Spotlight> never used irc, sorry
[01:06] <Spotlight> just wanted to make it stand out
[01:06] <Spotlight> :)
[01:06] <TetrisMaster> where is a linux help channel?
[01:06] <Nermal> #linuxhelp?
[01:06] <ompaul> Da1, in there can you see an amount of seconds
[01:06] <Pluk> debian minimal install and then something like fluxbox or icewm as windowmanager
[01:06] <TetrisMaster> ok
[01:06] <Spotlight> ahhh
[01:06] <Spotlight> ok
[01:06] <pblogic> Hello there!
[01:07] <Spotlight> well, where can i get that (i am new)
[01:07] <Spotlight> i have a debian install disk
[01:07] <Spotlight> then what
[01:07] <Da1> ompaul, a timeout bit?
[01:07] <Pluk> you better read the debian install docs on www.debian.org
[01:07] <poofyhair> not debian
[01:07] <ompaul> Da1, yes increase that for a start so that it will not "straight away"!
[01:07] <poofyhair> do an ubuntu custom install
[01:07] <pblogic> Hi there guys, mind if I ask a couple of questions?
[01:07] <Spotlight> i tried that
[01:07] <Pluk> but ubuntu costum givs you minimal too
[01:07] <Spotlight> it hangs everytime
[01:08] <Da1> ompaulk its set on 3 seconds already :/
[01:08] <poofyhair> http://www.binonabiso.com/en/Ubuntu-miniRAM-HOWTO.html
[01:08] <aardvark> I am doing a apt-get dist-upgrade and getting "the following packages have been kept back" ????
[01:08] <Pluk> whats really old btw?
[01:08] <ompaul> Da1, make it 10 seconds
[01:08] <Da1> ok
[01:08] <Spotlight> 166 Mhz, 32 m Ram
[01:08] <Da1> how? :P
[01:08] <aardvark> going warty -> hoary
[01:08] <Spotlight> 2.6 GB
[01:08] <Pluk> aardvark, some packages are broken and have been kept back so then wont break you comp
[01:08] <Spotlight> is that too old
[01:08] <pblogic> I decided to try ubuntu. I can't get X to start, and couldnt with mandrake either. However knoppix runs fine, and I had a nice install of mepis running well, even to the pointof running world of warcraft on it. However on some other distros I cant get the x server running. Im pretty new... any ideas?
[01:08] <Pluk> prolly will get fixed in a day
[01:09] <ompaul> Da1, now that your there can you tell me if you have title         Windows?
[01:09] <pblogic> Also, I am pretty unclear on how to login as a superuser in ubuntu, or get the nvidia driver from the command line?
[01:09] <Spotlight> so is debian the one i should try to run
 boot knoppix - copy the XF86Config and use it on ubuntu as a "guide"
[01:09] <pblogic> Ok, im in knoppix right now
 sudo bash should give you a root shell
[01:10] <shock> :P
[01:10] <poofyhair> then your only hope is like...............Damn Small Linux
[01:10] <Da1> yes ompaul i have title        windows 95/98/NP/2000
[01:10] <shock> ;)
[01:10] <poofyhair> http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
[01:10] <Pluk> debian will do on that
[01:10] <ompaul> Da1, has it a # in front of it?
[01:10] <pblogic> so, I would just type sudo bash?
[01:10] <shock> DSL is noice
[01:10] <Da1> yes ompaul
[01:10] <Spotlight> will damn small linux work with apache and other stuff needed for a server
[01:10] <shock> tried it a week ago =)
[01:10] <pblogic> thanks! sorry im still quite a newb
[01:10] <ghita> just upgraded to openoffice2 and when i try to open or to save openoffice freez.Please help
[01:10] <shock> np
[01:11] <Pluk> dunno if it will a gui normally :)
[01:11] <ompaul> Da1, well clear out those # in that section reboot and see what happens
[01:11] <Spotlight> oh well
[01:11] <Pluk> icewm orlly
[01:11] <Pluk> prolly*
[01:11] <Da1> ok how do i clear them #'s?
[01:11] <Spotlight> are there install instruction for that stuff anywhere
[01:11] <poofyhair> Damn Small is debian, made for old machines
[01:11] <ompaul> Da1, well how did you increase to 10 the timeout?
[01:11] <Spotlight> ahhh
[01:11] <pblogic> also, on mepis I could not find the kernel source anywhere. is the kernel source availible for ubuntu? I need it to do a proper install of the  nvidia driver
[01:11] <Spotlight> i think i miht try it
[01:11] <ElementalDragon> hello
[01:11] <poofyhair> like Ubuntu for the old
[01:11] <Spotlight> might
[01:12] <Spotlight> lol
[01:12] <Da1> i havent yet ompaul
[01:12] <Spotlight> can it run a GUI
[01:12] <Da1> not sure how to :P
[01:12] <poofyhair> And for Minicds
[01:12] <Spotlight> can it run a  GUI
[01:12] <ElementalDragon> i kinda have a problem that i'm hoping someone may be able to help me with
[01:12] <poofyhair> it uses Flux I think by default
[01:12] <hyperbole> people, I'm in trouble
[01:12] <S1nn3r> gah, when i tryed to change the login screen it messed up.. and now the logout menuitem doesnt work
[01:12] <Spotlight> ahhh
[01:12] <Spotlight> ok, thank you poofyhair
[01:12] <aardvark> so I did the dist-upgrade but it still says Ubuntu 4.10 "Warty Warthog" ?
[01:12] <hyperbole> I somehow have *not* created a root password
[01:12] <Spotlight> i will worship you forever
[01:12] <Spotlight> lol
[01:12] <poofyhair> No prob. good Luck.
[01:13] <Spotlight> ty
[01:13] <ompaul> Da1, sticking out your tounge at a person who is helping and feeling like he has been dragged though a swamp backwards really boosts his commitment :)
[01:13] <hyperbole> and now I can *not* login to my root account
[01:13] <aardvark> I expect Hoary the Hairmaster
[01:13] <poofyhair> Did you sudo apt-get update?
 sudo bash
[01:13] <shock> narf
[01:13] <Dave2> Hey. I asked this yesterday, but my wifi died about 2 seconds after. Are there any plans for Xorg 6.8.2 to be included in Ubuntu Hoary, or will I have to rely on custom packages?
[01:13] <ompaul> Da1, so can you use vi?
[01:13] <shock> or sudo passwd even
[01:13] <Da1> lol sorry i think of the tounge as a silly messing around emoticon lol dont take it the wrong way matey
[01:13] <Dave2> (I've probably missed some obvious page with the info on, as normal)
[01:13] <ElementalDragon> how can i get the Ubuntu installer to detect one of my 2 disc drives?
[01:13] <Da1> whats vi??
[01:14] <Da1> im very new to this
[01:14] <aardvark> so it appears the upgrade from warty to hoary did not work
[01:14] <farruinn> Da1: we are not a search engine, you can look that one up
[01:14] <hyperbole> sudo bash asks me for my password
[01:14] <aardvark> wtheck
[01:14] <pblogic> isnt it dangerous to give any user the ability to execute commands as root?
[01:14] <shock> vi is the pain version of vim (the greatest editor ever)
[01:14] <hyperbole> which isn't there, and this is the problem
[01:14] <hyperbole> vi is an editor
[01:14] <ompaul> Da1, I did end the line with :) which might indicate that you should not take what I said too seriously
[01:14] <aardvark> vi rox
[01:14] <hyperbole> you would better use nano :)
[01:14] <ompaul> Da1, vi is an editor
[01:14] <Da1> lol ok :P :D
 Your password
[01:14] <Dave2> vim > vi!
[01:14] <shock> of your primary user (the one during installation)
[01:15] <aardvark> Dave2 if(edit){vi}
[01:15] <hyperbole> yeah... I kindof forgot.... :)
[01:15] <Da1> ok so ompaul i go into vi?
[01:15] <ompaul> Dave2, vi/m ! not emacs :)
[01:15] <hyperbole> I don't renember it asking me
[01:15] <ompaul> ooh dear I am tired
[01:15] <shock> u dont have a root password in ubuntu
[01:15] <Dave2> vim > emacs > vi
[01:15] <shock> just use sudo
[01:15] <shock> and your users pass
[01:15] <aardvark> Dave2, to vi is to edit
[01:15] <pblogic> hmmmm doesnt that mean ANY user can use sudo to execute commands as root?
[01:16] <hyperbole> does it work that way? kool :)
[01:16] <shock> no
[01:16] <pblogic> with a root password only I can
[01:16] <shock> only the ones in the sudoers file
[01:16] <andrewski> what's the best way for ubuntu users to get the xchat systray plugin?
[01:16] <pblogic> Oh ok!
[01:16] <Dave2> argh :(
[01:16] <shock> (to edit this file use 'visudo')
[01:16] <ompaul> Da1, okay type "vi menu.lst"
[01:16] <aardvark> anyone ideas why my hoary upg failed ?
[01:16] <ElementalDragon> the Ubuntu installer won't recognize my Asus CD-RW drive, or my Lite-ON DVD+/-RW drive
[01:16] <pblogic> hmmm sorry to bother again, but I cant seem to find the XF86Config on the knoppix cd.. where would it be located?
[01:17] <Da1> ok done ompaul
[01:17] <shock> in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
[01:17] <shock> something like that
[01:17] <hyperbole> ehm... that isn't allowed, either
[01:17] <mseney> is it bad practice to have sudo not prompt for a password and furthermore is that even possible to accomplish?
[01:17] <mjr> umm, I rather doubt that the CD contains an XF86Config
[01:17] <ompaul> Da1, type "/Windows" and hit enter
[01:17] <hyperbole> mseney: that is bad practice :)
[01:17] <mjr> it probably has to be generated on the fly
[01:17] <pblogic> Ummm... if it doesnt then how do I get a gui?
[01:18] <mseney> k
 - are you logged in as the user u set up the system with?
[01:18] <ompaul> Da1, hit the home key
[01:18] <pblogic> Then where is it stored?
[01:18] <Dave2> /etc/X11/
[01:18] <hyperbole> no, well I did make a bit of a trouble, perhaps
[01:18] <pblogic> because I can get an xserver running on  knoppix and mepis but not ubuntu
[01:18] <hyperbole> I just started the installation
[01:18] <ompaul> Da1, are you with me?
[01:18] <pblogic> Yes, but im runnig on a CD... if it isnt stored on the cd, then where would it be?
[01:18] <pblogic> see what I mean?
[01:19] <Dave2> generated at boot and stored in a ramdisk
[01:19] <Dave2> ?
[01:19] <pblogic> mjr said it wouoldnt be on the cd
[01:19] <hyperbole> and I created a user account on the fly by chrooting to /target in the second terminal
[01:19] <shock> in the ramdisk knoppix has created
[01:19] <hyperbole> and I'm using that account right now
[01:19] <mseney> hyperbole, how good is Ubuntu w/ setting up a dual boot system Ex) Windows XP and Ubuntu. just curious cuz one time i was installing suse 9.1 and almost messed up my partition table
[01:19] <mseney> hyperbole, i hate having xp but my GF uses it and she isn't fond of linux heh
 - knoppix installs into a "ramdisk" - so just look at /etc/X11/
[01:19] <pblogic> any idea how to get to the ramdisck?
[01:19] <thenuke> huh, if I try to remove ppp with synaptic, it will remove ubuntu-base also :O
[01:20] <Dave2> It'll be mounted as /
 done it 5 times now
[01:20] <shock> never ever any problem
[01:20] <hyperbole> slack does this very well, as well
[01:20] <shock> :)
[01:20] <Pluk> thenuke, ubuntu-base is just a meta package , its safe to unsinstall ppp
[01:20] <shock> k - I'll be back... need a smoke - this conversations here are sooooo confusing :P
[01:21] <thenuke> Pluk: ah, okey then.
[01:21] <Pluk> its a container that lists all subpackages
[01:21] <Pluk> installing ubuntu-base again gives you ppp also
[01:21] <hyperbole> so, in other words, I'm still in trouble :)
[01:21] <thenuke> and what might the difference between remove package and completely remove
[01:21] <chugga> does ubuntu come with wifi tools like kismet?
[01:22] <farruinn> completely remove gets rid of the config files as well
[01:22] <thenuke> roger, thanks
[01:22] <aardvark> anyone ideas why my hoary upg failed ?
[01:22] <aardvark> uhh I am not seeing the light ?
[01:22] <Pluk> whats the error you get aardvark ?
[01:23] <aardvark> no error
[01:23] <hyperbole> is there a way to find out what account I installed ubuntu with?
[01:23] <aardvark> how do I determine if upg success ?
[01:23] <Pluk> remember hoary is still beta and contantly being worked on
[01:23] <aardvark> I am on cmmd line
[01:23] <chugga> yo someone answer me dammit
[01:23] <pblogic> where is the kernel source stored in ubuntu?
[01:24] <Pluk> in /usr/src pblogic
[01:24] <pblogic> thanks!
[01:24] <Pluk> if it is installed
[01:24] <aardvark> chugga, whats up
[01:24] <pblogic> how do I isntall it if its not? apt-get?
[01:24] <Pluk> yes
[01:24] <S1nn3r> when i first ran Ubuntu Gnome didnt have the "wait ages till the logout dialog apears" issue, and now it does
[01:24] <S1nn3r> :/
[01:24] <chugga> aardvark, hey man, just wondering if ubuntu comes with wifi tools like kismet,
[01:24] <aardvark> pblogic, use the tarball
[01:24] <Hiryu_> what's up with gcc-3.4 for ubuntu? I don't see it as installable
[01:24] <pblogic> I dont know how  yet :)
[01:24] <Hiryu_> apt-cache search shows no gcc-3.4 packages :(
[01:25] <Pluk> aardvark, ctrl+clt+F1 on top youll see what you running
[01:25] <Pluk> alt*
[01:25] <aardvark> Pluk, says warty
[01:25] <Hiryu_> do I need a better sources.list?
[01:25] <aardvark> thats the problem
[01:25] <aardvark> I expected Hoary
[01:25] <aardvark> bloody 'ell
[01:26] <Hiryu_> is ubuntu compatable with the regular debian repositories?
[01:26] <Pluk> then do a apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:27] <farruinn> Hiryu_: that's in the faq
[01:27] <aardvark> Pluk, thats what I did
[01:27] <aardvark> nada luck
[01:28] <Pluk> broken packages
[01:28] <Hiryu_> thanks
[01:28] <aardvark> Pluk, many were kept back
[01:28] <Pluk> some packages are broken and have been kept back so then wont break you comp
[01:28] <aardvark> ok
[01:28] <aardvark> I'll leave it
[01:28] <Pluk> it will be fixed in a few hours prolly
[01:28] <Pluk> maybe a day
[01:29] <aardvark> chugga, yes kismet and other tools avail
[01:29] <TetrisMaster> wil QTparted make a partition on NTFS file format without messing up data in other partitions on that drive?
[01:29] <hyperbole> no
[01:30] <aardvark> chugga, dwnld kismet and compile
[01:30] <Hiryu_> does ubuntu just not have higher than gcc-3.2?
[01:30] <hyperbole> that is to say, don't trust linux ntfs support
[01:30] <farruinn> Hiryu_: are you in hoary or warty?
[01:30] <TetrisMaster> how can i partition my MS partition to run linux
[01:30] <Hiryu_> far: warty, which is more recent?
[01:31] <farruinn> Hiryu_: actually I have 3.3 and 3.4 in warty
[01:31] <farruinn> hoary is recent, but in development
[01:31] <TetrisMaster> an 80gig NTFS C:\\ drive all one partition...i want to make a 40gig partition holding a 1024mb swap space, and all the rest as my Root, and Home
[01:31] <Hiryu_> so it's like debian's sid?
[01:31] <farruinn> yeah
[01:32] <akmodi> hi----I'm a newbie
[01:32] <Pluk> its sometimes newer then debian unstable
[01:32] <akurashy> hello im having some weird issues in ubuntu hoary, i installed everything fine and all but some apps doesnt run, like my xmms,  when i play a music it freeze and my bzflag when i type the command to run it it says there no bash
[01:32] <farruinn> Pluk: I htink he means in the sense that sid will eventually become stable as will hoary
[01:32] <nysin> If I'm running Debian unstable and interested in moving more completely from python2.3 to python2.4, yet find various packages (most of which just reference "python", which depends on "python2.3", but one of which, libsvn0, explicitly depends on python2.3), how safe is it for my install and as regards screwing up other packages to add ubuntu's python-dependent packages?
[01:32] <nysin> (I guess that would be the subversion stuff and the python virtual package
[01:32] <Hiryu_> far: so if I switch from warty to hoary, and I'm already experienced with sid, the world won't explode, right?
[01:33] <Pluk> yeah i understood but wanted to point out the freshness :)
[01:33] <akmodi> I have just installed Ubuntu----but my Creative ISA sound card does not get recognised---can anyone help?
[01:33] <farruinn> Hiryu_: you'd probably be fine
[01:33] <Hiryu_> far: eeeexcellent
[01:33] <ebone> Hey guys.
[01:33] <Pluk> aardvark had problems upgrading to hoary right now
[01:33] <ebone> anyone gotten mod_mono working with apache2 on Ubuntu ?
[01:33] <farruinn> Pluk: I understand, I like bragging about Ubuntu too =)
[01:34] <Hiryu_> far: does it have xorg 6.8+?
[01:34] <Pluk> so i guess upgrading to hoary is broken right now
[01:34] <farruinn> Hiryu_: no idea, there's an unofficial website that's like packages.debian.org or you could browse around archive.ubuntu.com
[01:34] <Pluk> farruinn, yeah me2 :D
[01:35] <aardvark> yeah I will try tomorrow
[01:35] <Pluk> actually there is a site somewhere
[01:35] <Hiryu_> far: cool... I still don't have gcc-3.4, I think my sources.list is pretty sparse
[01:35] <Pluk> unofficial though
[01:35] <farruinn> Hiryu_: perhaps you need the warty-updates repository
[01:35] <foznot> i am having problems giving proper permissions to another user so they can use sudo
[01:35] <Hiryu_> I'll try that...
[01:35] <foznot> any suggestions on how to correct that
[01:35] <farruinn> foznot: you're using visudo?
[01:35] <aardvark> TetrisMaster, u need something like partion manager
[01:36] <Pluk> http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[01:36] <aardvark> to resize partition
[01:36] <foznot> visudo...i have no idea what that is
[01:36] <TetrisMaster> i know...but partition magic costs $70 bucks....
[01:36] <S1nn3r> anyone else here have a problem with the login dialog taking far to long to show up after you select logout ?
[01:36] <foznot> i thought i added her  to root and sudo group
[01:36] <foznot> but still no luck
[01:37] <aardvark> TetrisMaster, thats the problem yes
[01:37] <farruinn> foznot: actually, forget what I said, just 'sudo [editor]  /etc/sudoers' and copy the last line for this other user
[01:37] <aardvark> its not OpenSource
[01:37] <aardvark> because its Microsoft related
[01:37] <S1nn3r> sorry.. the logout dialog
[01:37] <nysin> "because it's Microsoft related"?
[01:37] <foznot> gotcha, sudo vim
[01:37] <andrewski> in hoary, where did the synaptic icon go (as of an update today)?
[01:38] <aardvark> TetrisMaster, u there I think I found soemthing for u
[01:39] <aardvark> here is a way to do it http://www.hut.fi/~tkarvine/linux-windows-dual-boot-resizing-ntfs.htmlrn
[01:39] <TetrisMaster> ill check it out
[01:39] <alexander_> hey, can you install regular programs and games onto ubuntu?
[01:39] <aardvark> the program is NTFSResize
[01:40] <aardvark> must dash bye all fellow Ubuntu'ers
[01:41] <aardvark> live long and prosper
[01:41] <Pluk> alexander_, if you mean windows apps then  you can install wine , or buy cedega for games
[01:41] <alexander_> cedega?
[01:41] <alexander_> wine?
[01:41] <alexander_> lol
[01:41] <alexander_> (im such a noob to linux)
[01:41] <Pluk> :)
[01:41] <Pluk> wine can be a pain though most of the time
[01:42] <andrewski> alexander_: make google yours. :)
[01:42] <marcin_ant> jdub: ping
[01:42] <alexander_> what is it t hough?
[01:42] <andrewski> alexander_: it's not an emulator. :)
[01:42] <andril> hello all
[01:42] <nysin> Enter 'wine' in Google.
[01:42] <alexander_> wait, what? what is wine?
[01:42] <alexander_> is it a program?
[01:42] <borgista> wine is not a windows emulator.
[01:42] <Pluk> yup
[01:42] <borgista> it's an emulator.
[01:42] <Slask3n> why is my gaim crashing when the computer has been inactive and in powersave mode?
[01:42] <chugga> i dont want to download kismet,
[01:42] <andrewski> borgista: winwe?
[01:42] <chugga> i want to run off the cd......................
[01:42] <andrewski> ;P
[01:43] <nysin> I love how it's co-opted hundreds (thousands?) of years of fermented alcoholic beverages to take the top two spots.
[01:43] <farruinn> chugga: you mean livecd?
[01:43] <alexander_> so i just do apt-get install wine
[01:43] <alexander_> right?
[01:43] <Pluk> kismet is in universe so its not on the cd
[01:43] <Slask3n> www.winehq.com
[01:43] <alexander_> k thx
[01:43] <dstevens> Wine = Open Source implementation of the Windows API
[01:44] <bascule> http://fraknkscorner.org <-- good wine site laso
[01:44] <chugga> fabbione, yes, i do
[01:44] <andril> can someone help me tell what builb of Ubuntu I am running?
[01:44] <alexander_> so wait, does wine work with ubuntu though?
[01:44] <borgista> yes, alexander.
[01:44] <borgista> but WINE isn't that great.
[01:45] <bascule> frankscorner.org
[01:45] <alexander_> is there a better substitute for wine then?
[01:45] <bascule> oops :)
[01:45] <andril> WINE actually sucks
[01:45] <borgista> i'd just forget about Windows emulation on linux.
[01:45] <bascule> it does you know
[01:45] <borgista> personally
[01:45] <Pluk> better subst. is vmware
[01:45] <Pluk> its not free though :)
[01:45] <dstevens> TransGaming is developing improvements to the Wine project to achieve full Linux compatibility for games developed using the Microsoft DirectX APIs
[01:46] <alexander_> that sux
[01:46] <dstevens> Why you would want to run windows apps on a nix* is beyond me though
[01:46] <alexander_> so the best freeware program is wine?
[01:47] <alexander_> like, i wanna install all my old programs onto linux and all my games as well
[01:47] <Pluk> dstevens, some apps arent ported
[01:47] <Pluk> i would love to see solidworks4linux  :)
[01:48] <dstevens> Old Programs nix alternatives, Games are for consoles imho.
[01:48] <Slask3n> when i leave my computer inactive for a couple hours or over the night, the GAIM has crashed and is no longer running.. :s what can i do t prevent this?
[01:48] <dstevens> As they proberly will not run how you expect them to.
[01:48] <sysop> Easy question...except for me...what directory is my Linux kernel source code located?
[01:48] <Pluk> sysop, /usr/src
[01:48] <sysop> Pluk: Thank you very much!! :-)
[01:49] <Pluk> yw
[01:49] <Slask3n> when i leave my computer inactive for a couple hours or over the night, the GAIM has crashed and is no longer running.. :s what can i do t prevent this?
[01:50] <Pluk> Slask3n, open gaim in a terminal and let it run for hours
[01:50] <nysin> So, would selectively importing two ubuntu packages into debian unstable screw things up?
[01:50] <Slask3n> pluk: ??
[01:50] <Pluk> when it crashes it will maybe produce some output
[01:50] <Slask3n> aah...
[01:50] <Slask3n> ok
[01:50] <Slask3n> :)
[01:50] <Slask3n> Pluk: thank you :)
[01:50] <Pluk> np
[01:51] <bik> is it possible to get my nforce3 mobo working without closed nvidia drivers? warty/hoary both don't recognize the built in nic
[01:51] <Pluk> nysin, if they are just apps then no, but if they are OS specific then maybe
[01:51] <nysin> libsvn0 and the "python" virtual package
[01:52] <nysin> Not really applications, but not core sytem stuff either.
[01:52] <dstevens> bik: Not without the closed drivers.
[01:52] <nysin> I should be able to use debian's "python2.4" directly
[01:52] <bik> ok, thanks dstevens
[01:52] <Pluk> libsvn0 wont prolly break it
[01:52] <Pluk> python dunno
[01:52] <bik> i wonder how I will be able to build the modules sans gcc
[01:53] <Pluk> bik you need the forcedeth module
[01:53] <Pluk> is that module loaded?
[01:53] <bik> let me check
[01:53] <bik> yeah, it is
[01:54] <Pluk> what does ifup eth0 give?
[01:54] <S1nn3r> anyone else here have a problem with the logout dialog taking far to long to show up after you select logout from the Computer menu ??
[01:54] <bik> a bunch of 'message too long' errors
[01:55] <Pluk> ifconfig shows only lo right?
[01:55] <bik> it shows eth0 as well, but most of the fields aren't filled in, e.g. hardware address
[01:55] <Pluk> hmmm thats weird
[01:56] <andrewski> when you install a new WM/DE, do you have to restart GDM or can you just use a new login (i.e. gdmflexiserver)?
[01:57] <dstevens> S1nn3r, It does takes time on my 500mhz embedded system, think the cause is mainly due to the screen trying to cycle thought the colours to light to dark
[01:57] <Pluk> maybe the logs say something usefull bik
[01:57] <S1nn3r> dstevens: its before it does that cycle thing
[01:57] <bik> where can I find those
[01:58] <dstevens> Once it has done the cycle it then prompts the logout option, yup i do agree it can be a little slow on small systems
[01:59] <dstevens> Personally i do not see the reason for the cycle thingy ma jiggy.
[02:00] <bik> hmm
[02:00] <bik> somewhere in my fiddling it is now seeing the HwAddr, but dhcp doesn't resolve
[02:01] <bik> i guess it's on discovery that the message too long error comes up
[02:02] <S1nn3r> dstevens: no with me what it is is its takeing to long even before it does the cycle thingy, i had the same problem with a gentoo instalation and found out quite a few people had the problem but no fix
[02:04] <bik> hrmm..
[02:04] <Lithi> Whats using port 80 with a default installation of warty, or whats not allowing me to run a shoutcast server on port 80
[02:05] <bik> so dhcp won't discover, but I can set my ip manually, which lets me ping google.com, but the browser still doesn't work. Is there a firewall enabled by default in ubuntu?
[02:05] <Pluk> bik, in /etc/resolv.conf you have to add the nameservers
[02:05] <Xenguy> bik: no firewall by default
[02:06] <Pluk> ah wait nevermind
[02:06] <chugga> ok ubuntu,
[02:06] <chugga> thanks for nothing,
[02:06] <Pluk> you can ping a url
[02:06] <Pluk> yur welcome chugga....
[02:06] <ebone> anybody mod_mono working with apache2 on Ubuntu ?
[02:07] <ebone> hey guys, is there a mailing list ?
[02:07] <S1nn3r> Linux is proveing to be just as much of a pain in the arse (for diffrent reasons mind you) as Win XP MCE is to get working right on this system :/
[02:07] <Pluk> ebone,  i guess not since there is no libapache2-mod-mono
[02:07] <bik> .  /etc/resolv.conf has nameserver entries and search blah.comcast.net, which sounds right
[02:07] <Pluk> not in ubuntu at least
[02:08] <Lithi> Ok users cant bind anything to port 80, must be root
[02:08] <Pluk> yeah bik thats why i said nevermind :)
[02:08] <ebone> yeah.
[02:08] <Pluk> everythin below 1024 are are for root to be binded only
[02:08] <ebone> i thought maybe somebody had gotten adventurous and compiled it themselves.
[02:08] <ebone> i'm trying to do that right now but i hit a snafu.
[02:09] <pyrohotdog> Hey, I have a question...
[02:09] <pyrohotdog> If there is anyone in here...
[02:10] <Pluk> ebone, its possible though just check google
[02:10] <Pluk> just ask pyrohotdog :)
[02:11] <pyrohotdog> ha...
[02:11] <pyrohotdog> Does anyone knoe why I can't get my resolution above 1024x768?
[02:11] <pyrohotdog> *know
[02:12] <Pluk> if you change res are higher resolutions listed?
[02:12] <ebone> Pluk: you think that's what that mono-apache-server package is ?
[02:12] <ebone> it's hard to tell, but i may try that.
[02:13] <Pluk> ebone, no thats for apache1 i think
[02:13] <pyrohotdog> Well I'm on 1024, and I want to go up to 1280....
[02:13] <ebone> yeah, your right.
[02:13] <ebone> damn.
[02:13] <pyrohotdog> But it doesn't give me the option.
[02:13] <stodge> Are live cds of hoary produced on a regular basis for testing purposes?
[02:13] <Pluk> pyrohotdog, you have to edit /etc/X11/XFconfig-4
[02:14] <Pluk> and add more resolutions
[02:14] <pyrohotdog> Ooohhh....okay.
[02:14] <tritium> Beyond changing ESD to ALSA in Multimedia Systems Output, how do I prevent ESD from running at every login?
[02:14] <ebone> Pluk: would you chance just installing the debian package ?
[02:15] <ebone> how bad can you screw things up ?
[02:15] <Pluk> not very bad i think
[02:15] <Pluk> no guarantee though :)
[02:15] <pyrohotdog> Wanna give me an example of what that would look like....? :)
[02:16] <Pluk> my only res is 1400x1050 so the file says:         Modes       "1400x1050"
[02:16] <pyrohotdog> I see, what depth would I put it under?
[02:16] <Pluk> to add something you edit it to         Modes       "1400x1050" "1280x1024"
[02:16] <Pluk> 24
[02:17] <Pluk> or edit them all
[02:17] <pyrohotdog> Okay, let's see how this works....
[02:17] <Pluk> but you prolly want to run at highest depth
[02:17] <Pluk> :)
[02:18] <pyrohotdog> Oh..?
[02:18] <tritium> goddamn fucking esound
[02:18] <pyrohotdog> lol
[02:19] <Pluk> dang just wanted to type the esound thingy
[02:20] <usual> hey AndyFitz :)
[02:20] <pyrohotdog> Ha, worked. Thanks guys.
[02:21] <Pluk> yw
[02:22] <theeota> does anyone here know how to fix a problem with warty warthog concerning not finding screens - I installed but i cant load the GUI
[02:22] <neighborlee> wondering if they changed the automounted system in hoary ( udev and project utopia ?) b ecause its not working very well atm....thx anyone ;-))
[02:22] <AndyFitz> g'day usual
[02:23] <theeota> anyone?
[02:23] <|QuaD-> any c++/compsci gurus here? i need help!
[02:24] <neighborlee> theeota, what gui cant you load
[02:25] <theeota> well when I start the computer, it goes through loading, the in the black screen (prompt I thing) it asks for a username/pass and it blinks twice then says it cant load X or something and that I need to fix it, then it says it cant find any screens
[02:25] <karim> why does ubuntu have that much succes ?
[02:25] <theeota> i tried reconfiguring with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[02:25] <neighborlee> theeota, did you install ati or something..?
[02:25] <theeota> someone said
[02:25] <zenrox> theeota,  you have a nvidia, ati video card
[02:25] <theeota> and it did nothign
[02:25] <karim> I mean I also have a debian on a mac, and I plan to switch it to ubuntu
[02:26] <theeota> nvidia
[02:26] <neighborlee> oh ok
[02:26] <karim> I have already a ubuntu on a PC
[02:26] <zenrox> theeota, do a modprobe nvidia
[02:26] <theeota> how do you do that
[02:26] <zenrox> and then restart x
[02:26] <karim> I mean in fact there is not that much difference between ubuntu and debian, what for you is the difference ?
[02:26] <zenrox> theeota,  just like this sudo modprobe nvidia
[02:26] <theeota> speaking of which, it says somethigng about that when loading, that it failed
[02:26] <neighborlee> theeota, ok I bet you forgot to run the nvidia-blah enable code..it must be done or you have to manually edit the xf86config file
[02:26] <neighborlee> lemme find it
[02:27] <zenrox> neighborlee, its sudo nvidia-settings enable
[02:27] <Benbis> Wonder if someone can help: I can't install Ubuntu. The installation blocks when it gets to identifying and mounting the CD-ROM drive.
[02:27] <neighborlee> theeota: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable that one
[02:27] <neighborlee> theeota: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable<< that one
[02:27] <neighborlee> zenrox, yup
[02:28] <theeota> ok
[02:28] <Benbis> Did a test: tried booting with the live CD, with all HDs disconnected. That worked fine.
[02:28] <theeota> ill try that
[02:28] <theeota> thx, be back if it doesnt work
[02:28] <neighborlee> heh np
[02:28] <zenrox> ok
[02:30] <Benbis> No suggestions?
[02:31] <Slask3n> Benbis: You dont have a USB-stick connected?
[02:32] <bik> hmm.. i'm stumped. no dhcp, if i manually set the ip, ping works, but nothing else
[02:32] <pyrohotdog> Anyone...how can I mount and use my NTFS drive...?
[02:32] <zenrox> bik, are you adding your dns addys to your config
[02:32] <Benbis> Hmm, usb that's connected is the keyboard and mouse, that's all
[02:32] <zenrox> pyrohotdog, read www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:32] <bik> zenrox it seems to have them already
[02:33] <zenrox> pyrohotdog,  just rember you cant write to ntfs
[02:33] <bik> it has basically the same lines that my os x machine does
[02:33] <pyrohotdog> Okay.
[02:33] <Slask3n> Benbis: Ok, I had the same problem, but then i unplugged my USB-memorythong.. and installed again, then it was no problems...
[02:33] <zenrox> bik,  thats odd
[02:34] <bik> I can't even get to my router by putting the ip in a browser
[02:34] <Benbis> ok. Might give a shot at unplugging all the usb stuff then.
[02:34] <zenrox> bik,  put your ip of your router in to the dns
[02:34] <zenrox> i found that that helps
[02:34] <bik> 'nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>' like that?
[02:34] <Benbis> What I can't figure is why it would boot on the live cd though
[02:34] <zenrox> yep
[02:35] <bik> k
[02:35] <Slask3n> my desktop is USB... and causes no probs.. but it was just the usb-stick
[02:35] <Benbis> ok. Then I'm really baffled.
[02:35] <Benbis> ompaul thought it might have to do with my sata hard disks
[02:36] <Benbis> but unplugging them doesn't change a thing
[02:36] <zenrox> Benbis, maby the cdrom is going bad or you have cable slect enabed on the drive
[02:37] <zenrox> make the cdrom master or slave depending whare it is on the ide chain
[02:37] <Benbis> ok. I`ll recheck the cable select again, and if that doesn't do it, I`ll try another cd drive. Got 3 on a shelf, ranging from old to antique. One of them ought to work.
[02:38] <zenrox> yep
[02:38] <zenrox> i have 4 broken ones hoping up my couch
[02:38] <zenrox> holding
[02:38] <Benbis> hehehe... You should have seen the cleanup over the weekend. Discarded a lot of old stuff. Would you believe a 300 bauds modem in the lot. Sheesh
[02:39] <zenrox> theeota,  so it dint work
[02:39] <theeota> no
[02:39] <theeota> sadly
[02:39] <Benbis> Anyways, off to try that. Back in a bit.
[02:39] <zenrox> theeota,  do you have the nvidia driver installed
[02:39] <Benbis> Thanks for the suggestions, Zen and Slask
[02:40] <theeota> i got this error btw: PCI cannot allocate resource reg 4 of device 0000:00:02.1
[02:40] <zenrox> thats an odd error
[02:40] <zenrox> hmmm
[02:40] <theeota> and it said that Modprobe: FATAL :
[02:40] <theeota> and that its Unallowed
[02:40] <zenrox> ok sound like a misconfiguration or bad hardware
[02:40] <theeota> when i try to startx it cant find symbols in any of the files
[02:40] <zenrox> or conflict of hardware
[02:41] <theeota> thats what it says to me
[02:41] <zenrox> theeota, thats casue the driver ant loaded
[02:41] <theeota> all i have installed is 2 DVD-drives, 1 hd and my video, network and soudn card
[02:41] <theeota> where do you get the drivers then that can be installed from the prompt
[02:42] <theeota> from the vendor
[02:42] <zenrox> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings
[02:42] <zenrox> thoes are from the vendor
[02:43] <theeota> ok
[02:43] <zenrox> if you get the ones actualy from nvidia your going to have to compile them your self
[02:43] <theeota> yeah thats true
[02:43] <theeota> ...
[02:43] <zenrox> that can be a pain
[02:43] <theeota> well, i am going to try this command, and see what else i can turn up, thx for the help, be back to tell you what happened
[02:44] <zenrox> theeota, hold on
[02:44] <theeota> ok
[02:44] <zenrox> do you have all the respotries enabled
[02:45] <theeota> im not sure, im pretty mucha linux newb
[02:47] <zenrox> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FrontPage
[02:47] <zenrox> and www.ubuntuguide.org for other stuff
[02:48] <zenrox> the ubuntuguide has a good way to install the nvidia drivers
[02:49] <theeota> ok
[02:49] <ebone> Hey guys ...
[02:49] <ebone> any apt-get gurus/wizards ?
[02:51] <zenrox> ebone,  whats up
[02:51] <mseney> anyone have rhythmbox working? i can't seem to play any internet radio from it.
[02:52] <Zotnix> mseney, mainly because it doesn't support mp3
[02:52] <Zotnix> You can get it to play internet radio if you get libraries for mp3 and whatnot.
[02:52] <mseney> Zotnix, but the stations listed when you first start the program should work right?
[02:52] <Zotnix> mseney, they don't.
[02:53] <zenrox> mseney, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:53] <Zotnix> mseney,  gst-register-0.8 is a command that will get it to work after you follow that wiki.
[02:54] <linuxn00b> Hi, if I want to connect 2 pcs I use a straight-though cable right?
[02:55] <zenrox> linuxboy,  you need a crossover
[02:55] <TetrisMaster> can linux root and home partitions be ONE partition, rather then 2 seperate ones?
[02:55] <zenrox> straight-thru is to your router
[02:55] <zenrox> TetrisMaster,  yes
[02:55] <zenrox> but i dont recomend that TetrisMaster
[02:55] <TetrisMaster> ok
[02:56] <zenrox> TetrisMaster,  if you have to reinstall fore watever reasion you dont louse your settings and files
[02:56] <zenrox> just the os and files you compiled for your self
[02:56] <TetrisMaster> well also if i have a linux partition past the first 1024 mbs of data on my drive and i have XP currently installed, can i use Lilo installed into the MBR?
[02:57] <linuxn00b> zenrox, ok I just want to make sure I don't fuck up...but I was sure it was straight :/
[02:57] <bik> nice, thanks for the help guys, networking is up
[02:57] <TetrisMaster> and dual-bbot the 2?
[02:57] <TetrisMaster> booy*
[02:57] <bik> now I just need to figure out why hoary doesn't like my audigy
[02:57] <TetrisMaster> boot*
[02:57] <theeota> ug
[02:58] <zenrox> lol theeota
[02:58] <theeota> zenrox, guess what - i got the drivers from nvidia, and was going to install them, but i got a catch 22 - i cant copy them to the drive from the bootable linux, and i cant install them from a loaded X, si im stuck
[02:58] <theeota> lol
[02:59] <theeota> if i burned that file to a CD would it work?
[02:59] <TetrisMaster> does anyone know if LILO in the MBR will dual-boot linux and XP, if XP was installed first
[02:59] <zenrox> theeota,  and your going to have to d/l your kernel-source too to install thoes drivers
[02:59] <TetrisMaster> or will i have to use a different boot loader?
[03:03] <eruin> use grub
[03:04] <theeota> I'll brb
[03:04] <TetrisMaster> grub?
[03:04] <TetrisMaster> and how does that work/setup?
[03:04] <TetrisMaster> compared to LILO?
[03:04] <eruin> it's default in ubuntu
[03:04] <eruin> and should be set up automatically
[03:05] <TetrisMaster> well im not gonna be running ubuntu ;)
[03:05] <TetrisMaster> i just find the most help on this channel
[03:05] <eruin> well, I used to load xp just fine with lilo back in the days
[03:05] <TetrisMaster> but generally, what consists of setting up grub?
[03:05] <eruin> nano -w /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:06] <eruin> ~grub-install
[03:06] <eruin> reboot
[03:06] <edlang> Hi - I've just set up an HP 990Cxi printer on an AMD64 machine running Ubuntu Hoary. First question: it seems the printer driver is screwy - is this a known problem on this problem with this driver (hpijs)?
[03:06] <TetrisMaster> and the nano, and ~grub line go in command?
[03:06] <eruin> yes
[03:06] <TetrisMaster> im a newbie
[03:06] <eruin> what exactly are you doing?
[03:06] <eruin> you seem to be doing non-newbie stuff
[03:06] <edlang> grey is blue; red is megenta; green is cyan; blue is blue. cyan is cyan, megenta is magenta, yellow is non existent. black is a light coloured blue.
[03:06] <ebone> guys ... guys !!
[03:07] <ebone> ubuntu muntu wiki quicky !@
[03:07] <TetrisMaster> well i need to create an unpartitioned space on an NTFS C:\\ drive for Vector Linix.
[03:07] <edlang> Secondly, how do I share USB attached printers on the network using CUPS? I couldn't see a "share printer" or similar option.
[03:07] <eruin> edlang: replace the ink? :O
[03:07] <TetrisMaster> then install Vector Linux, and have it dual-boot to MS XP, or linux
[03:07] <edlang> eruin: It was printing fine when attached to a jetdirect box.
[03:07] <eruin> TetrisMaster: partition magic would do that for you
[03:08] <zenrox> edlang, you need to use samba to share a printer www.ubuntuguide.org for config
[03:08] <edlang> I can't share it using IPP or standard unix LPD?
[03:08] <TetrisMaster> eruin: i know, but couldnt i also use systemrestoreCD...im not paying $70 for PM :)
[03:08] <zenrox> edlang,  you can if you know how
[03:08] <edlang> Samba seems like a bit too much overkill.
[03:08] <eruin> no idea what systemrestoreCD is
[03:09] <TetrisMaster> it uses QTparted
[03:09] <zenrox> edlang,  samba is easy and smaller
[03:09] <eruin> oh, well, maybe
[03:09] <TetrisMaster> but anyway, so Grub will work better then LILO....?
[03:09] <eruin> that's the general consensus yeah
[03:09] <eruin> google grub chainloader
[03:10] <thebartman> hey guys.. I've been messing up my xf86config file..
[03:10] <TetrisMaster> grub chainloader?
[03:10] <eruin> google it
[03:10] <thebartman> is there a command  I can run to recreate it
[03:10] <eruin> should turn up with manual settings for loading xp
[03:10] <edlang> Is there a gnome UI to samba which I should install?
[03:10] <edlang> oh actually, that ubuntuguide url, huh.
[03:10] <thebartman> is there a cli command to reconfigure the video
[03:10] <zenrox> thebartman, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[03:11] <thebartman> crap.. I did that... it didn't reconfig the monitor settings and stuff
[03:11] <thebartman> darn.. I need something to totally redo my xf86conf-4
[03:11] <zenrox> edlang,  that usr tells you how to do it in the command line but you can learn that way on how to edit the smb.conf file easey
[03:12] <thebartman> err.. xf86config-4
[03:12] <eruin> I hate to be the one saying this, but cp -f file-to-edit file-to-edit.bak && nano -w file-to-edit
[03:12] <eruin> :P
[03:13] <ebone> are there any Ubuntu gurus here ?
[03:13] <edlang> zenrox: I last looked at samba config files about 6 years ago, but it seems I haven't forgotten too much
[03:13] <thebartman> darn.. now it's saying no screens found
[03:13] <thebartman> is there a way to reconfig the monitor
[03:13] <zenrox> edlang,  tame to start over then hu??
[03:13] <zenrox> tame=time
[03:13] <abakis> did apple make macos 7.1 legal for free download?
[03:13] <adapt> is there a hoary chanel or is everything in here?
[03:14] <zenrox> adapt, in this one channel
[03:14] <ebone> where's my guru ?
[03:14] <ebone> where are all the gurus "
[03:14] <ebone> ?
[03:14] <zenrox> ebone,  i am a guru
[03:14] <adapt> ok. ive been searching for a way to install mplayer (even the wiki) but it wont work.
[03:14] <ebone> zenrox: yeah !
[03:14] <adapt> there is a wiki entry for mplayer on hoary, but it seems outdated
[03:14] <zenrox> adapt, the mplayer in hoary is broke compile it your self
[03:14] <Quest-Master> lol
[03:15] <crimsun_> adapt: it works on warty. I check every couple days to make sure my workaround is still relevant.
[03:15] <ebone> zenrox: i am thinking of "upgrading" to hoary ?
[03:15] <ebone> sounds a little scarry.
[03:15] <adapt> zenrox, thanks, will do.
[03:15] <adapt> crimsun, thanks!
[03:15] <zenrox> ebone,  why??
[03:15] <ebone> i added hoary to my sources.list file ...
[03:15] <ebone> now i'm going to do "apt-get upgrade".
[03:15] <eruin> errrrrrrrr
[03:15] <eruin> do apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:15] <ebone> i don't know ... i just cant believe it's going to work.
[03:15] <scorpix> hi all
[03:15] <ebone> ohh ... thanks.
[03:16] <zenrox> ebone,  you want to do a apt-get update first then dist-upgrade
[03:16] <eruin> and apt-get update first ofc ;)
[03:16] <thebartman> other than that one config mentioned above... how can I use the cli to reconfig my monitor and video card
[03:16] <ebone> thanks ... cool, i did the update.
[03:16] <ebone> that makes me feel better they have a seperate dist-upgrade command.
[03:16] <scorpix> how can i make my HP deskjet 3325 work in Hoary?
[03:16] <thebartman> like lets say I blow away my XF86config-4 file.. how can I recreate it
[03:17] <ebone> guys ... can i keep X11/KDE running ?
[03:17] <farruinn> thebartman: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ?
[03:17] <zenrox> ebone,  i wouldent
[03:17] <ebone> is it going to need to write over all those libraries and stuff.
[03:17] <zenrox> ebone,  yep
[03:17] <ebone> zenrox: yeah, i tend to think your right.
[03:17] <ebone> it's just a little scarry.  :)
[03:17] <zenrox> ya it is
[03:18] <Riddell> ebone: shouldn't be a problem until you try starting new applications
[03:18] <eruin> ebone: you'll just have to restart when it's all over
[03:18] <ebone> ahh ... cool. so i don't even really need to kill anything then.
[03:18] <thebartman> guys.. please, is there a way to recreate my xfr86config-4 file
[03:18] <thebartman> xf86config-4 that is
[03:18] <ebone> guys ... i may have a couple of things from universe and multiverse ...
[03:19] <zenrox> thebartman,  just the way i told you
[03:19] <ebone> are they likely to get muffed ?
[03:19] <farruinn> thebartman: that command that we gave you is the best way
[03:19] <zenrox> ebone,  no
[03:19] <thebartman> it didn't recreate the monitor settings
[03:19] <farruinn> did you select medium or advanced for monitor settings?
[03:19] <zenrox> slect advansed and put in your montor vert and horz ranges
[03:19] <ebone> i take it i want to comment out those sources from the sources.list file though (universe and multiverse, i.e.).
[03:20] <ebone> it will pull crap in from them won't it ? if they are > version ?
[03:20] <zenrox> ebone,  you wont need to
[03:20] <thebartman> ok.. I deleted my xf86config file and running the command again
[03:20] <ebone> alright, here goes.   :)
[03:20] <Quest-Master> If I have someone on my buddy list, and they have blocked me but are online, will they still show up in Gaim?
[03:20] <alexander_> alrighty, who wants to help me out?
[03:20] <Quest-Master> I remember once that that was true
[03:20] <Quest-Master> I think my friend is playing a joke on me, so I just want to be sure
[03:21] <thebartman> still says no screens found and gives io error 104
[03:21] <linuxn00b> On my 2nd nic I don't see my link lights on even tho it is connected to the router
[03:21] <zenrox> Quest-Master,  ya i thinnk so
[03:21] <theeot1> zenrox - update - I got eh drivers to work with the sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings but the screens are still not there and the xfree86 file or whatever is completely empty
[03:21] <thebartman> and there's no XF86config-4 file now
[03:21] <alexander_> anybody here know anything about wine?
[03:21] <zenrox> theeot1, you using warty right
[03:22] <theeot1> yeah
[03:22] <zenrox> theeot1, the XF86config-4 file
[03:22] <zenrox> ??
[03:22] <mystify> please help me!!!
[03:22] <theeot1> yeah
[03:22] <ebone> hey guys, where did i get KDE from anywhere ?
[03:22] <ebone> universe ?
[03:22] <zenrox> hmm
[03:22] <ebone> it's saying it's going to uninstall KDE.
[03:23] <theeot1> its blank and it says i have no screens
[03:23] <zenrox> we need the nvidia guru out here pronto
[03:23] <farruinn> ebone: yes, KDE is in universe
[03:23] <gangalino> where can I find libglib2.4.8-1 dev?
[03:23] <zenrox> theeot1, its over my head now
[03:23] <theeot1> I almost wish i had another card
[03:23] <theeot1> its ok
[03:23] <theeot1> ill just try to get it to work
[03:23] <ebone> my bad ...
[03:24] <ebone> i hadn't added a "main" hoary, just a universe hoary.
[03:24] <theeot1> im just frustrated that im so close to using the program but stuck here at the edge
[03:24] <farruinn> gangalino: you're in warty or hoary?
[03:24] <zenrox> theeot1,  ya trying getiing 2 nvidia cards to play nice with 2 diferent montiors
[03:24] <zenrox> thats a pain
[03:25] <ebone> Hey guys ... did they switch to X.org for hoary ?
[03:25] <gangalino> farruinn: warty
[03:25] <ebone> These are all the things it says it's going to remove:
[03:25] <ebone> blt-common esound fam gnome-cpufreq-applet libfam0c102 libgtop2-4 libmimelib1 libnautilus2-2 libopenh323-1.13.2 libpt-1.6.3
[03:25] <ebone>   python-fixedpoint python-mpz trashapplet trm xfree86-driver-synaptics xserver-xfree86
[03:25] <crimsun_> ebone: yes, early on.
[03:25] <neighborlee> did they remove gnome editing of menus via nautilus in hoary ? ...Applications:/// no longer works...
[03:25] <zenrox> ebone,  yes
[03:25] <zenrox> neighborlee,  yes
[03:25] <Pluk> neighborlee, indeed
[03:25] <ebone> o.k. ... so i'll be getting an X.org server, which is fine i guess.
[03:26] <neighborlee> i'm going to strangle me some gnome developers!!
[03:26] <tuxadermist> Woot
[03:26] <theeot1> no, i have 1 monitor
[03:26] <theeot1> 1 card in agp
[03:26] <zenrox> ebone,  if you have a special vid card you might have to redo the drivers
[03:26] <farruinn> gangalino: the newest I see is 2.0. I don't know what's in hoary
[03:26] <neighborlee> could they get any more clueless ?
[03:26] <theeot1> whats the slot for AGP
[03:26] <neighborlee> lol
[03:26] <theeot1> it says to chose the video card interface and its generic is PCI 1.0.0
[03:26] <Pluk> gnome is in a change now for menu editing
[03:26] <theeot1> or something is that wrong
[03:26] <zenrox> theeot1, pci1:0:0 i think
[03:26] <farruinn> neighborlee: I believe that it's only temporary
[03:26] <gangalino> farruinn: I have 2.4.8-1 installed, it shows up as 2.0 in synaptic
[03:26] <ebone> zenrox: i have an nvidia, it's built onto the motherboard.
[03:26] <farruinn> gangalino: heh, odd
[03:26] <ebone> nothing fancy.
[03:27] <akurashy> hello im having some weird issues in ubuntu hoary, i installed everything fine and all but some apps doesnt run, like my xmms,  when i play a music it freeze and my bzflag when i type the command to run it it says there no bash
[03:27] <zenrox> ebone,  the x.log should tell you wahre its at
[03:27] <ebone> How about the X.org config file ? Is it the same format as XF86 ?
[03:27] <zenrox> casue its decting it
[03:27] <zenrox> ebone,  pretty much
[03:27] <pyrohotdog> Hey...anyone....my XMMS isn't working....
[03:27] <neighborlee> farruinn, ;-) I hope so indeed...thx for heads up
[03:28] <jeavis> hi hello
[03:28] <jeavis> I want to install mySQL 5, what I need to do?
[03:30] <ebone> damn guys ... i don't know anything about X.org.
[03:30] <ebone> can it do drm, dri, and all that crap ?
[03:30] <Pluk> its just xfree86 but better
[03:30] <ebone> so it's got all that crap ?
[03:30] <ebone> can I install XF86 if i want to after the upgrade ?
[03:30] <zenrox> ebone,  yes
[03:30] <Pluk> yeah got it all
[03:31] <ebone> i'm just an old geezer i guess, stuck in my ways.
[03:31] <zenrox> ebone,  x.org is much bertter tho
[03:31] <mseney> Zotnix, thanks for the link man. I did manage to get Realplayer 10 installed though and now it's playing my audio perfectly :)
[03:31] <jevidl> hey guys, quick question. I tried using steghide, but it is telling me jpeg support is not included. that's ok, I tried compiling froms scratch, but it tells me that some librarires are missing
[03:31] <jevidl> I compiled the libraries, but it is still saying they are missing. any suggestions?
[03:31] <monkey89> xf86configs work fine with xorg
[03:32] <monkey89> there's no reason not to switch
[03:32] <monkey89> a very low number of peopel have problems
[03:32] <edlang> Ok, I managed to get samba playing halfway nice. Now, I have this:
[03:32] <mseney> Zotnix, now can you tell me how to get the gnome window list to show more of the window list button?
[03:32] <edlang> DeskJet-990C is ready and printing
[03:32] <edlang> Rank    Owner   Job     File(s)                         Total Size
[03:32] <edlang> active  nobody  6       smbprn.00000003 Remote Downleve 405504 bytes
[03:32] <edlang> Where to take it from there?
[03:32] <edlang> The pinter is sitting idle.
[03:32] <monkey89> mseney, right click on the little drag bar to the left of the windows but to the right of the defsktop window
[03:32] <monkey89> up the minimum size
[03:32] <jevidl> anyone? :)
[03:33] <neighborlee> oh btw anyone..has the automounting mechanism changed in hoary ?..the icon wont display on desktop on cd insert and when I do: right click > open with 'sh'..the cd lights up for a second and then bam stops..have they done meddling with hoary with this segment of code too ?LOL
[03:33] <mebaran151> what is the best distro for a laptop
[03:33] <mebaran151> is Ubuntu too hard to get ACPI to run on
[03:33] <jevidl> mebaran151: ubuntu.. I had great luck with it "just working"
[03:33] <mebaran151> cool
[03:33] <mebaran151> I have a dell 8600
[03:34] <mebaran151> Pentium M
[03:34] <mseney> monkey89, ahh thanks :)
[03:34] <monkey89> linux is linux is linux, if acpi works on one it shouldn't be too bad to get on another
[03:34] <mebaran151> my wireless card is a dell
[03:34] <monkey89> mseney, no problem, it had been bothering me as well :)
[03:34] <monkey89> mebaran151, will probably need ndiswrapper
[03:34] <mebaran151> yeah
[03:34] <mebaran151> I figured that
[03:34] <mebaran151> where in heck am I going to get Dell drivers
[03:34] <monkey89> nothing we can do, broadcom doesn't release it
[03:34] <monkey89> its not dell, really
[03:34] <mebaran151> everybody knows dell is just against giving driver cds
[03:34] <mebaran151> stupid resotre disk
[03:35] <mebaran151> oh it is a broadcom
[03:35] <jevidl> I have libjpeg.so on the system, but it was part of java. can I copy that to somewhere else on my system so that steghide's ./configure will see it?
[03:35] <mebaran151> cool
[03:35] <mebaran151> anybody know if the wiki has anything on it
[03:35] <monkey89> mebaran151, broadcom is the company that will  not release specs for someone to make a linux driver for the card
[03:35] <NetwrkMonkey> Dell is the evil empire
[03:35] <monkey89> and there should be something on ndis/ubuntu somewhere
[03:35] <NetwrkMonkey> they are in cahoots with bill gates and GW to fsck up the world
[03:35] <monkey89> i've seen it before (but now that i have a rt2500, im happy with a gpl wireless g driver that actually works :D)
[03:36] <jeavis> Hey where can I check what software offer ubuntu.
[03:36] <mebaran151> oh Dell aint so bad
[03:36] <Pluk> jeavis, http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[03:36] <mebaran151> I would give it on a 1 - Hell a 6
[03:36] <Pluk> not a official sire though
[03:36] <Pluk> site*
[03:39] <jevidl> dang it... why can't steghides ./configure find libjpeg.so?? this is driving me nuts
[03:40] <jeavis> Pluk: Thank you
[03:40] <jeavis> Pluck:mmmmmmmmmmmmmm ubuntu dont have mysql server 5
[03:40] <jba> jevidl, install the jpeg-dev lib whatever it is called
[03:41] <edlang> ah hmm, the job went through.
[03:41] <jevidl> jba: ok, it is in the jpeg-dev?
[03:41] <mebaran151> is ndiswrapper in the repos
[03:41] <jba> whatever apt package installed libjpeg.so (not sure what it's called) there will be another package with the smae name but a -dev on the end
[03:42] <jba> install that and configure should find the .so file
[03:42] <jevidl> jba: that makes somewhat more sense... I tried the www.ijb.org site and compiled theirs, which is what steghide suggested, but it didn't like it. I will try libjpeg-dev
[03:43] <jevidl> jba: thank you! only two more to get now :)
[03:43] <jba> jevidl, it is a pattern
[03:44] <jevidl> jba: yep
[03:44] <jba> anytime ./configure complains about not finding a .so file chances are you didn't install the -dev package
[03:44] <jba> makes sense, standard package for standard use, -dev package for developing stuff with it
[03:44] <jevidl> jba: just new to the whole compiling my own software... this helps a lot
[03:44] <jevidl> thanks
[03:44] <darmou> I'm having trouble installing plone on warty.
[03:45] <darmou> It can't seem to install python2.2-xmlbase
[03:45] <jevidl> darmou: what's plone again
[03:45] <jevidl> ?
[03:45] <darmou> plone is a cms based on zope
[03:45] <darmou> cms=content managfement system
[03:45] <jevidl> darmou: that's right. thanks
[03:46] <darmou> If you look at the ubuntu site they are using plone
[03:46] <jevidl> darmou: I just knew I had seen it somewhere but couldn't place where
[03:46] <jevidl> yeah
[03:46] <pyrohotdog> Is there a way to crank my volume up?!?!
[03:46] <pyrohotdog> I'm using Juk and it's way too quiet....
[03:46] <pyrohotdog> even at full volume.
[03:46] <jevidl> jba: thanks agian, gotta go!
[03:47] <regeya> pyrohotdog: kmix
[03:47] <mebaran151> pyrohotdog, max your speakers
[03:47] <gangalino> darmou: I got plone running on warty
[03:48] <darmou> what did you do to get it to work?
[03:48] <regeya> it's sort of funny to look at the source code for redhat-artwork, especially in the kde stuff
[03:48] <dale_gribbl1> evening all
[03:48] <pyrohotdog> I'm trying to avoid maxing my speakers, 'cause it hums and gets static and stuff.
[03:48] <gangalino> darmou: trying to remember, I think it took some updates
[03:49] <regeya> if you ever marvelled at the poor quality of kde on fc, and wondered why, it's easy to tell from the source comments in redhat-artwork that there seems to be an institutional hate for all things qt
[03:49] <gangalino> darmou: I'm on python 2.3 right now
[03:50] <pyrohotdog> Kmix isn't affecting anything....
[03:50] <regeya> yikes!  I make a disparaging ocmment about redhat, and in walks a north carolinian.
[03:51] <dbjh> can i see windows media playe in ubuntu
[03:51] <tritium> hi crimsun.  Short of removing esound entirely, how can I prevent esd from running on user login?  Multimedia Systems Selector has already been used to select ALSA
[03:51] <linuxn00b> gotta Q what does ubuntu use for dhcp?? cause I couldnt killall dhcpcd
[03:51] <dbjh> i wamt to have windows mwdia playet
[03:52] <Pluk> tritium, in administration or preferences >sound you can unselect sound-server
[03:52] <tritium> Pluk, yeah, did that too :)
[03:52] <darmou> I've got python2.3 installed too but that does not seem to help the plone package zope-cmfplone seems broken big time:(
[03:52] <dale_gribbl1> i'm trying to install 4.10 X64, and i keep getting a "debootstrap program exited with an error" (return value 2) error
[03:52] <Zugot> anyone here use any type of  change management systems?
[03:52] <tritium> And i saved the session on logout as well
[03:52] <Pluk> hmmm normally hould be enough
[03:53] <tritium> yeah, you would think.  I'll figure it out.  I am running mythtv, and can't have esd running.
[03:54] <gangalino> I think in the end, I got it working from synaptic
[03:54] <gangalino> darmou: are you trying to install it from synaptic? I'm on Warty, btw
[03:54] <darmou> no from the command line
[03:54] <darmou> ok I'll try that thanks
[03:56] <darmou> I'm getting the same problem with synaptic:(
[03:59] <Br34ch> Heh.. stupid question - in irssi, suppose, os even a gaim session window.. how can a window be . . . high-lighted (kinda like in win..) :s
[03:59] <Br34ch> or*
[03:59] <Br34ch> Or any way of notification..
[03:59] <Br34ch> Of new messages and such, or anything
[04:01] <Br34ch> !ping
[04:02] <darmou> I've done a couple of force depends with dpkg cause it's complaining about the version of zope how ever zope2.7 package is install which it does not recognize
[04:02] <mike998> dunno Br34ch... I tend to miss some conversations because I don't get any notifications
[04:02] <mike998> and on that note... time for bed
[04:05] <dbjh> I want to see windows media player has any of you ever tried that?
[04:05] <bluefoxicy> is there a voice synth around that'll synthesize a girl's voice?
[04:06] <bluefoxicy> http://www.psci.net/darian/cfpass.wav like that
[04:06] <bluefoxicy> http://www.psci.net/darian/pwork.wav or that heh
[04:13] <neighborlee> why isn't this working:: CD insert ..nautilus loads files: right click on a *.sh file and say: open  with 'sh' ..it starts to load from the CD then it stops abruptly..any idea whats causing this ?? ;0))
[04:14] <LinuxJones> neighborlee, permissions ?
[04:14] <neighborlee> LinuxJones,nope
[04:14] <Atrophy> Hey out there... I could use some help on trying to get my TV card working under Linux
[04:14] <neighborlee> LinuxJones, this is  install of a commmercial game
[04:14] <Atrophy> anybody up to it?
[04:14] <neighborlee> LinuxJones, ie: ut2k45
[04:14] <neighborlee> dain
[04:15] <neighborlee> LinuxJones, LOL..ut2k4 ;-)heh
[04:15] <neighborlee> Atrophy, I dont own one .sorry ;(
[04:15] <neighborlee> wish I did though ;-))
[04:15] <Atrophy> lol
[04:15] <Atrophy> mine's an ATI All In Wonder 7500...
[04:15] <neighborlee> yeah friend had one
[04:15] <neighborlee> nice cards overall
[04:16] <Atrophy> and apparently getting the TV card to work under Linux is the holy grail of desktop computing...
[04:16] <neighborlee> lol
[04:16] <neighborlee> well
[04:16] <neighborlee> i'd be happy if my dain cam worked ;(
[04:16] <neighborlee> but its too old and never was very supporteed in linux..
[04:16] <neighborlee> its a intel create and share and has never worked here
[04:16] <Atrophy> and I installed Mandrake 9.2 recently because I heard that they had a .rpm of the GATOS drivers that supposedly make it work
[04:17] <neighborlee> mdk is getting really greedy these days...
[04:17] <Atrophy> and both the RPMs installed just fine but it still doesn't work :-(
[04:17] <neighborlee> but then thats getting a popular trend in distros it seems...
[04:17] <Atrophy> but before that I had ubuntu which is why I'm in here...
[04:17] <Atrophy> cause you guys are nice unlike most linux peoples
[04:17] <neighborlee> except for ubuntu..gotta love ubuntu~
[04:17] <neighborlee> Atrophy, why thx!!
[04:18] <Atrophy> lol no problems
[04:18] <Atrophy> problem
[04:18] <neighborlee> ubuntu is heading distrowatch.org list ( one month wize it IS a the top and 6 mo wize its climbing FAST) and I couldn't be more happy about it
[04:18] <Atrophy> I wish I could type...
[04:18] <neighborlee> heh np
[04:19] <Atrophy> that too...
[04:19] <Atrophy> anyways... so NOBODY in here has dealt with the GATOS drivers?
[04:20] <[Aura] kingwanja|> hi there , i put my live cd in but it did work
[04:21] <[Aura] kingwanja|> did not *
[04:21] <linuxn00b> so what does ubuntu use for DHCP? I really need to know
[04:21] <nixman> LinuxJones: ping
[04:22] <SiRrUs> goodevening gentlemen
[04:22] <Atrophy> welcome SiRrUs
[04:23] <Atrophy> Has anyone else heard of GATOS?  Going once... going twice...
[04:23] <linuxn00b> anyone know?
[04:23] <SiRrUs> what is going on tonight in the land of Ubuntu
[04:23] <Atrophy> Linuxn00b wants to know some stuff and I want to know some other stuff ;-)
[04:23] <monkey89> Atrophy, yeah
[04:24] <monkey89> project for getting the all in wonders to work
[04:24] <[Aura] kingwanja|> good job ive not given these 100 cds out to people if the live cd wont load on my system
[04:24] <Thynis> ok...lol... someone make my day :)
[04:24] <SiRrUs> you have 100 live cds?
[04:24] <Atrophy> ok have you had any experience trying to make it work monkey89?
[04:24] <Thynis> Is anyone in here running ubuntu on an ibook G4 1Gig
[04:24] <monkey89> Atrophy, not personally, all I've used was the ati remote driver from their project
[04:24] <monkey89> sorry
[04:25] <Atrophy> basically I installed the two GATOS rpms and they said they installed right but TV still doesn't work
[04:25] <Atrophy> and I'm a near-total linux n00b so I have no idea if/how I need to do any extra tweaking to make them work
[04:26] <Atrophy> /sbin/lsmod lists something that I *think* is them so it should be working...
[04:26] <Thynis> anybody?
[04:26] <SiRrUs> Atrophy are you using ubuntu?
[04:26] <Thynis> I just have a few questions... :)
[04:27] <Elsidox> im having werid audio issues. I can play mp3s but when I try to fast forward or skip a track I get a read/write error. Can anyone help?
[04:27] <LinuxJones> nixman, I am too drunk to offer any real help ATM :(
[04:27] <[Aura] kingwanja|> 100 live cds with full install cds also
[04:27] <Atrophy> I was but I installed Mandrake so I could get the GATOS packages
[04:27] <Atrophy> cause I have no idea what to do with the files available from the GATOS site
[04:27] <linuxn00b> dso no one know what ubuntu uses for dhcp :/
[04:27] <[Aura] kingwanja|> ive just tried to install the live cd but it hangs near the end
[04:27] <SiRrUs> Atrophy ubuntu has the Gatos packages
[04:27] <Atrophy> sorry linuxn00b I don't
[04:28] <SiRrUs> ATI All-in-Wonder TV capture software
[04:28] <SiRrUs> The General ATI TV and Overlay Software (GATOS) suite for
[04:28] <SiRrUs> capturing video.  This package does not require kernel
[04:28] <SiRrUs> patches, and includes:
[04:28] <linuxn00b> ok
[04:28] <SiRrUs> oops sorry 4 lines
[04:28] <Thynis> Will ubuntu run on ibook?
[04:28] <JDahl> [Aura] kingwanja|, try booting using different expert options
[04:28] <Atrophy> does it?  Ok, well then that sucks cause it didn't work under ubuntu either
[04:28] <[Aura] kingwanja|> ermm ok
[04:28] <Atrophy> umm is that only for hoary?
[04:28] <SiRrUs> Atrophy did you install the ubuntu packages
[04:28] <Atrophy> yeah I have a warty disc which I immediately updated everything using the hoary repositories
[04:29] <Atrophy> and tv still didn't work so I went to Mandrake cause I had heard that they had RPMs of the GATOS packages
[04:29] <Atrophy> and also cause I like KDE/Enlightenment
[04:29] <SiRrUs> but did you specifically install the gatos packages there are three of them
[04:29] <Atrophy> no I didn't see them on the package lists
[04:30] <SiRrUs> there in synaptic
[04:30] <Atrophy> are they under multiverse?
[04:30] <Atrophy> allright I'll give ubuntu another shot...
[04:31] <Atrophy> I don't wanna bother upgrading that much again though
[04:31] <Atrophy> where to get a hoary disc?
[04:31] <SiRrUs> Thats where the fun is
[04:31] <monkey89> Atrophy, see topic, but change array-4 to array-5
[04:31] <Thynis> I'll give Ubuntu a shot if someone will answer my simple questions
[04:31] <SiRrUs> Atrophy http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hoary
[04:32] <Atrophy> thanx
[04:32] <Atrophy> and go with current or 4?
[04:32] <LinuxJones> Thynis, shoot
[04:33] <Thynis> I was just trying to figure out if Ubuntu will "Really" work on an iBook G4 1GHz
[04:33] <Thynis> I've tried gentoo... no good
[04:33] <Atrophy> btw if any of you have an old computer out there waiting to try a new distro, you should check out MEPIS
[04:33] <Thynis> I even bought yellowdog... bastards stole my money lol
[04:34] <Atrophy> it comes with all kinds of non-free stuff, like a good jre and codecs... all preinstalled
[04:34] <yojimbo> Thynis: your definition of "Really" is ... ?
[04:34] <Thynis> And then tonight after giving up months ago I stumble upon ubuntu.. by complete accident which could be a sign
[04:34] <Atrophy> it's default theme is even uglier than ubuntu's tho (lol sorry no offense)
[04:34] <lavigj> hey guys, anyone adept at solving compile errors?
[04:34] <Thynis> well with gentoo I had absoloutly no sound... and very little hw support
[04:34] <Thynis> and with yellow dog I had no sound and could only run in 16 bit
[04:35] <CarlK2> looking for theams or someting to dress up warty cuz this laptop is going to school tomorrow
[04:35] <neighborlee> Thynis, gentoo is too much work for too little gain imo
[04:35] <Thynis> yeah I haven't touched gentoo since summertime :)
[04:35] <Atrophy> CarlK2... go to GNOME's site
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> Atrophy, lol
[04:35] <CarlK2> Atrophy, thanks
[04:35] <Thynis> I beat the disk very very hard lol
[04:35] <Atrophy> it's got buttloads of themes
[04:35] <nomasteryoda> MEPIS is pretty sweet
[04:35] <CarlK2> neighborlee, agreed with your gentoo coment
[04:35] <lavigj> neighborlee: it is a lot of work, but I really liked portage.  Audio was OK. Hoary should be better ... you might prefer to wait for the hoary release?
[04:36] <neighborlee> long story
[04:36] <Thynis> I had a little bit of faith in yellowdog but after the install managed to find my graphics card the X couldn't
[04:36] <Atrophy> it's cause they're spelled in all caps, isn't it?
[04:36] <Thynis> ok I might try warty out... just to get the feel for it and kinda start over with hoary
[04:37] <Thynis> when is the possible release date for hoary?
[04:37] <yojimbo> Atrophy: SuSE is the correct casing.
[04:37] <SiRrUs> Thynis hoary is out and works pretty good
[04:37] <Thynis> ahhhhh... so it is out
[04:37] <yojimbo> Thynis: Hoary *is* released in April :-) You can get a pre-release now, though.
[04:37] <SiRrUs> final is scheduled for April
[04:37] <Thynis> is there any problems with it accepted the ati 9200?
[04:37] <Thynis> that's where my main probs have been at (my graphics card)
[04:38] <linuxn00b> I found out :d ubuntu uses dhclient for dhcp :D:D
[04:38] <subterrific> does anyone know how to change the background color used when the gnome-session splash screen is shown?
[04:38] <Atrophy> yoji... it WAS SuSE
[04:38] <Atrophy> now it's all caps
[04:38] <subterrific> i've changed every setting i can find, and it is still brown :(
[04:38] <CarlK2> um, what is gnomes site?
[04:38] <subterrific> www.gnome.org
[04:38] <lavigj> has anyone managed to compile steghide from scratch?
[04:38] <CarlK2> thaks...
[04:38] <Atrophy> I dunno why SUSE went to all caps... I liked the bizarre undercase u for no reason
[04:38] <yojimbo> Atrophy: I see .. the graphic logo still has a small U :-) though.
[04:39] <Atrophy> and the bucking of the whole penguin trend to go with the chameleon LOL
[04:39] <rubixXx> what library(package) is zlib in
[04:39] <Atrophy> but then again I really like ubuntu for it's sexual innuendo in release codenames...
[04:39] <Quest-Master> Haha. XD
[04:39] <Atrophy> I'm not really sure if I want to install anything called "warty" LOL
[04:40] <Thynis> ok last question from me for the night before I dive into this project.... I can dual boot between OS X and Ubuntu correct...
[04:40] <Quest-Master> Hoary too.. :P
[04:40] <yojimbo> Thynis: ati 9200 should be OK, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupportComponentsVideoCards/view?searchterm=ati%209200
[04:40] <Thynis> may sound like a stupid question but wanna be positive
[04:40] <Quest-Master> Thynis: Correct.
[04:41] <httpdss> im using ruby 1.8 and wanted to know where is gdk_pixbuf2.rb installed... or which package contains that file. i installed libgdk-pixbuf2 and libgdk-pixbuf2-ruby but its not there :-S
[04:41] <yojimbo> Thynis, yes, dual booting works OK. With warty you might not get it set up automatically, so research how to hack grub files first!
[04:41] <[Aura] kingwanja|> my live cd isnt loading and it stops inthe same place - Unmount:/dev not found ,starting pcmcia, enabling hotplug manager
[04:41] <yojimbo> but Hoary should be fine, afaik
[04:41] <Thynis> awesome... where can I get a copy of hoary at... lol... I'm so excited about this!
[04:41] <Thynis> I'm almost shaking lol
[04:42] <yojimbo> Thynis: check the topic :-)
[04:42] <Thynis> ok thanks! :) thanks for everything good to see you can wonder into a place and be welcomed without a bunch of smart remarks!
[04:42] <lavigj> ok, a more direct question about compiling. I am having an issue with libtool, and I need to define --tag= but I have no idea what to put there. any suggestions?
[04:43] <[Aura] kingwanja|> I also had a message saying .. unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000014
[04:43] <httpdss> any clue to solve my prob ??
[04:44] <[Aura] kingwanja|> any ideas anyone ?
[04:45] <[Aura] kingwanja|> i tried normal unbutu also expert and
[04:45] <[Aura] kingwanja|> so on
[04:45] <Thynis> Thanks again all! Sure I'll see you all again!
[04:45] <Atrophy> Ok SiRrUs... do the GATOS drivers get installed by default, or must I Synaptic them?
[04:46] <SiRrUs> Atrophy you need to install them
[04:47] <Atrophy> ok
[04:47] <lavigj> does anyone know much about libtool, or where I can go to find it? the libtool manual is too above my head at this point
[04:47] <SiRrUs> lavigj you have installed it?
[04:47] <Atrophy> Good lord hoary is a slow download... I was getting 150-200kbps on the torrent for warty
[04:47] <linuxn00b> anyone know anything about the dhcp3-server config file?
[04:47] <Atrophy> but only 48 for hoary
[04:48] <lavigj> SiRrUs: well, it is installed, because I can call it. I am trying to compile steghide, and it is choking on that. I saw one post that said I need to configure libtool --mode=link --tag=whatever_you_need, I just have no idea what i need to put there to get things working
[04:49] <W3BMAST3R101> is it possible to install the latest and greatest gaim?
[04:49] <lavigj> W3BMAST3R101: you will probably need to compile it from scratch
[04:49] <W3BMAST3R101> *gasp*
[04:50] <lavigj> W3BMAST3R101: unless it is in unstable
[04:50] <W3BMAST3R101> well i typed in gaim for the packages list thinger and i only came out with 1.0
[04:50] <geppy> Are there any Linux flashplayers that don't have sync problems?
[04:50] <DAC1138> i have a networking question. if i plug my (ubuntu warty) laptop into a network with a bunch of different computers, each within different workgroups, will linux autodetect these workgroups?
[04:50] <zenrox> W3BMAST3R101,  you using hoary
[04:50] <Atrophy> webmaster101: change your sources to include universe and multiverse
[04:50] <fzZzy> how can I tell what pid is using the alsa default device? mythtv complains about "Device or resource busy"
[04:50] <DAC1138> like, will i need to edit samba or something?
[04:50] <lavigj> W3BMAST3R101: I have 1.1.0 on warty. did you add extra repositories?
[04:51] <geppy> fzzzy: lsof /dev/snd/*
[04:51] <zenrox> W3BMAST3R101,  also too 1.1.3 of gaim ant in hoary yet so youd have to compile it your self
[04:51] <W3BMAST3R101> yeah i followed the tutorial
[04:51] <lavigj> geppy: let me know if you find one :)
[04:51] <geppy> lavigj:  ha!
[04:51] <fzZzy> geppy: thanks. There was no output though
[04:51] <lavigj> geppy: I tried both in synaptics, one was fast one was slow
[04:51] <lavigj> SiRrUs: any suggestions?
[04:51] <geppy> lavigj:  I'm thinking about just installing the Windows version in WINE.  It's sad that the Windows version would work better than the Linux version.
[04:51] <Atrophy> hey has anyone gotten Enlightenment to work right under ubuntu?
[04:52] <SiRrUs> lavigj nope sorry
[04:52] <W3BMAST3R101> how can i compile gaim from source?
[04:52] <Atrophy> geppy... get used to disappointment
[04:52] <lavigj> geppy: what's more sad is that it is version *7* of the linux one :)
[04:52] <geppy> lavigj:  I don't understand how Macromedia can half-ass something that makes or breaks their na,e
[04:52] <geppy> Atrophy: hahaha
[04:52] <Atrophy> the windoze version of everything works better
[04:52] <geppy> lavigj:  Yeah, and that they _claimed_ that it was better.  This is no better than 5
[04:52] <Atrophy> because linux is like me... they never finish a project
[04:52] <W3BMAST3R101> Atrophy: not bzflag
[04:52] <geppy> Atrophy:  heh... only for ports, and not all ports
[04:52] <W3BMAST3R101> its faster under linux
[04:52] <lavigj> geppy: well, I have read a lot of forum posts that say it works fine
[04:52] <geppy> Atrophy:  doom3 kicks Windows ass on Linux. =)
[04:53] <Atrophy> lol
[04:53] <geppy> lavigj:  The flashplayer?  Only for people that can't tell what's in sync...
[04:53] <Atrophy> speaking of which
[04:53] <lavigj> geppy: although, some of the DX9 eyecandy is pretty nice
[04:53] <lavigj> geppy: I didn't see it in OpenGL mode
[04:53] <Atrophy> the flash plugin for firefox doesn't display my homepage right under linux :-(
[04:53] <Atrophy> only under windoze
[04:53] <linuxn00b> I get this error when I ifuup eth1 "Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :
[04:53] <linuxn00b>     SET failed on device eth1 ; Bad address.
[04:53] <linuxn00b> " but I don't have wireless :s
[04:53] <zenrox> geppy,  so does q3 and ut 2k3 and 4
[04:53] <geppy> lavigj:  Doom3?  It's all OpenGL.
[04:53] <geppy> zenrox:  Right, I'm just choosing one example.
[04:54] <W3BMAST3R101> Can any one tell me the command to compile something for ubuntu? saay Gaim 1.1.3?
[04:54] <geppy> zenrox:  Same with LoMS, etc.
[04:54] <fzZzy> geppy: it was esd and it had /dev/dsp open
[04:54] <lavigj> geppy: in windows it will utilize DX9 extensions, at least afaik
[04:54] <httpdss> why doesnt libgdk-pixbuf2-ruby contain the file gdk_pixbuf2.rb ?????
[04:54] <DAC1138> W3BMAST3R101 new to linux?
[04:54] <zenrox> W3BMAST3R101,  read gaim.sf.net on how to compile it
[04:54] <W3BMAST3R101> To ubuntu i was on Gentoo prior
[04:54] <geppy> lavigj:  I'm pretty sure that it's _all_ OpenGL, but I can see how they might use Direct _Input_?
[04:54] <zenrox> thay will tell you what to get
[04:54] <DAC1138> W3BMAST3R101: theres usually an INSTALL file, or a README file.
[04:54] <Atrophy> omg did you actually just tell him to rtfm?!  LOL you should be ashamed of yourselves
[04:54] <zenrox> gepp loms??
[04:54] <W3BMAST3R101> ahh ok
[04:54] <DAC1138> W3BMAST3R101 you can compile gaim form source or apt-get it
[04:55] <DAC1138> W3BMAST3R101 usually apt-get is best
[04:55] <W3BMAST3R101> apt-get it isint there is it?
[04:55] <DAC1138> W3BMAST3R101 try "sudo apt-get install gaim"
[04:55] <geppy> webmaster101:  apt-get build is pretty nice.
[04:55] <zenrox> W3BMAST3R101,  ya but its not the lates and greatest
[04:55] <Atrophy> although I work at tech support and I often which I could just scream "RTFM!" into the phone and hang up
[04:55] <Atrophy> *wish
[04:55] <DAC1138> im not even in linux, lol. im in windows xp, need to reinstall ubuntu
[04:55] <Atrophy> lol I'm on a kvm with one xp box and one Mandrake box
[04:56] <lavigj> geppy: I am probably wrong then...
[04:56] <Atrophy> I keep switching back and forth
[04:56] <geppy> Has Macromedia ever followed through with their hints of porting MX to Linux?
[04:56] <lavigj> geppy: know as much about compiling as you do doom3? ;)
[04:56] <geppy> lavigj: hahahahaha =)
[04:56] <zenrox> lol
[04:56] <Atrophy> lol geppy
[04:56] <lavigj> geppy: unfortunately, I am serious. I am having some big issues getting this program compiled
[04:56] <DAC1138> geppy yeah
[04:56] <DAC1138> geppy woks fine in wine and crossover office
[04:56] <Atrophy> The day Macromedia keeps a promise is the day pigs fly...
[04:57] <geppy> DAC1138: MX?  I'm talking about the native port that they'd mentioned some time ago.
[04:57] <zenrox> DAC1138,  what do that when you can install doom3 nativly
[04:57] <helio7> W3BMAST3R101: I always forget the compile commands and I usually just google the terms (tar ./configure make install) and one of the first hits is usually the same way to compile/install anything from tarball (if you have the tarball)
[04:57] <DAC1138> Atrophy what da ya know, they ship pig via Herculese ariplanes, lol
[04:57] <geppy> Atrophy:  heh... more than that'll go down on the day that MAcromedia keeps a promise
[04:57] <Atrophy> lol
[04:57] <W3BMAST3R101> alright thnx
[04:57] <ebone> well, this puppy is just kicking along.
[04:57] <DAC1138> geppy they wanted to make a wine compatible version and see how well it sold then, and if it did well, they would start programming a native linux port
[04:57] <Atrophy> it's like one of the signs of the Apocolypse or something...
[04:58] <ebone> 998 packages updated, 108 new.
[04:58] <geppy> DAC1138:  Oh, okay.
[04:58] <DAC1138> but forget macromedia, i want adobe premiere and after effects!
[04:58] <Atrophy> man there are NO hoary sources out there LOL
[04:58] <Atrophy> there's 14... warty had 103...
[04:58] <Atrophy> lol
[04:58] <helio7> torrents Atrophy?
[04:58] <Atrophy> yeah
[04:59] <helio7> let me start azureus up lol
[04:59] <Atrophy> heheheh
[04:59] <DAC1138> does anyone know the real reason microsoft started over longhorn from scratch?
[04:59] <geppy> DAC1138:  Because NT sucks?
[04:59] <Atrophy> woohoo!!!  I have 15!  Do I hear 16?  Going once... going twice...
[04:59] <ebone> what do you mean ?
[04:59] <DAC1138> could it be they're creating a new executable file format? something WINE wont be able to run?
[04:59] <ebone> when you say scratch ...
[04:59] <geppy> DAC1138:  They have the time and the money;  a re-write can only help them.
[04:59] <[Aura] kingwanja|> ubuntu doesnt work as live cd
[04:59] <geppy> ebone:  starting over
[04:59] <Atrophy> D00d... geppy...  I was as pleasantly suprised by XP as I was by OS X
[05:00] <DAC1138> geppy ah. well, they started longhorn, and just recently they scrapped the old longhorn, and are staring all over
[05:00] <ebone> shoot ... i never upgraded from 2000
[05:00] <Atrophy> lol
[05:00] <ebone> XP sort of got on my nerves.
[05:00] <geppy> Atrophy:  I wasn't pleasantly surprised enough;  I still prefer 2k over XP
[05:00] <Atrophy> I have several copies of NT 4 if anyone wants them LOL
[05:00] <ebone> geppy: yeah, me too.
[05:00] <[Aura] kingwanja|> windows work , ubuntu doesnt ... windows 1 - linux 0
[05:01] <Atrophy> heheheh
[05:01] <DAC1138> im thinking they started over again becuase they had the intentions to carry over the old executable file format, im thinking they want something newer, something wine wont run, and something samba cant help, something that wont let it talk to linux machines
[05:01] <ebone> i have to admit sort of being excited by Longhorn though ....
[05:01] <geppy> ebone:  I was, too, until the took out all of the cool features.
[05:01] <ebone> DAC1138: that may be part of it.
[05:01] <Atrophy> well I like to put it this way... Linux works really well "in theory"
[05:01] <JDahl> [Aura] kingwanja|, you're saying your Windows Live CD is better than the Ubuntu one?
[05:01] <DAC1138> ebone same here, im excited, but NOTHING they do will ever turn me away from linux or mac os
[05:01] <geppy> ebone:  Longhorn is now going to be XP... with another name.  Just like every other Windows release.
[05:01] <helio7> Allright I've been having a real hard time getting XFree86 reconfigured on a machine I had in my classroom that was working beautifully but just bonked out X-less one day on boot.  Does anyone out there think I might stand a chance of recovering X by upgrading it from Warty to Hoary?
[05:02] <LinuxJones> Atrophy, no Linux works really well !!
[05:02] <johnnybezak> DAC1138: i doubt breaking compatibility is the reason theyre developing a new OS
[05:02] <ebone> geppy: yeah ... you see that is b.s. ... they better have some big changes ...
[05:02] <ebone> i'm going to be miffed otherwise.
[05:02] <DAC1138> M$ was also redoing a filesystem, something XML based with an XML index for an even fast filesystem
[05:02] <Atrophy> linuxjones... it might work better if I knew what I was doing
[05:02] <Atrophy> but I don't LOL
[05:02] <[Aura] kingwanja|> im saying that this ubuntu live cd does not work ie the 10 ive tried from this huge pile that has been sent to me in the post
[05:02] <LinuxJones> Atrophy, that's the best part :)
[05:02] <lavigj> DAC1138: if you are talking about WinFS, the last I knew it was being taken out of longhorn
[05:03] <Atrophy> hehehe
[05:03] <ebone> I'm doing something right now you will never do on a MS system ....
[05:03] <ebone> apt-get dist-upgrade.
[05:03] <ebone> :)
[05:03] <[Aura] kingwanja|> but cd in , boot from cd and it does load
[05:03] <Atrophy> lol
[05:03] <Atrophy> and the difference between that and windoze update is...?
[05:03] <[Aura] kingwanja|> I also had a message saying .. unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000014
[05:03] <DAC1138> MS should just buy OSX from apple, since apple claims to be a hardware company
[05:03] <ubuntu2u> when in the terminal what do i type to install wine?
[05:03] <ebone> Atrophy: dist-upgrade works forever ....
[05:03] <JDahl> [Aura] kingwanja|, did you try booting with different expert options (like I told you)? Otherwise I fear you have a long night ahead of you, depending on how many live CDs you have
[05:04] <ebone> it's not just security updates.
[05:04] <DAC1138> ubuntu2u you ever use apt-get before?
[05:04] <ebone> it's like jumping from 2000 to XP ...
[05:04] <Atrophy> Apple isn't a hardware company... it's an EXPENSIVE hardware company LOL
[05:04] <ubuntu2u> dac1138 yes
[05:04] <DAC1138> Atrophy but a damn good one at that
[05:04] <[Aura] kingwanja|> expert modes like do you have a normal keyboard , yes i do
[05:04] <DAC1138> ubuntu2u "sudo apt-get install wine"
[05:04] <ubuntu2u> dac1138 would i type sudo apt-get install wine
[05:04] <ubuntu2u> ok thanks
[05:04] <Atrophy> yes, Apple stuff r0xx0rz if you have the dough
[05:05] <Atrophy> but I don't... so I'll just keep my blueberry Rev D iMac LOL
[05:05] <Atrophy> which I recently purchased for $50
[05:05] <DAC1138> i really want a powerbook, but cant afford it. im going to college for video production, and would like something unix based, since im a linux freak
[05:05] <helio7> oh that reminds me is there an apt-get option to search what's available if you don't know the exact name (i realize it's easy in synaptic but wondered if it was command line friendly as well)
[05:05] <[Aura] kingwanja|> omg , if i was to give all these lovely cds out to people and they came to me with the problems , i would have to be employed by ubuntu or whoever
[05:05] <DAC1138> no good video editing packages for linux, only cinelerra, and i need final cut pro/livetype/after effect type apps
[05:06] <DAC1138> helio7 synaptic
[05:06] <billytwowilly> any idea when the new ati drivers 9.10.19 will be in hoary?
[05:06] <JonasNZ> lol i handed out my entire set of 500 CD's in one day
[05:06] <[Aura] kingwanja|> I will tell them they make great tea mats
[05:06] <DAC1138> helio7 or "sudo apt-cache search namehere" and you can just guess the name, or the first few letters and use the * command
[05:06] <helio7> JonasNZ: wow who'd you hand them out to?
[05:06] <Atrophy> yeah but Synaptic is oh so pretty!
[05:07] <helio7> DAC1138: that's what I was wondering about thanks
[05:07] <zenrox> wahts a good way to convert a .nrg in to iso with out haveing to try to burn a .nrg file
[05:07] <JonasNZ> people who are interested in linux, friend who want to use linux etc.. ppl at school, and stuff
[05:07] <[Aura] kingwanja|> JonasNZ you handed them all out :o
[05:07] <JonasNZ> i might need more next time :P
[05:07] <DAC1138> got a question, anyone here familiar with pcmcia firewire cards?
[05:07] <Atrophy> zenrox... there's a freeware app for that at least for windoze
[05:07] <[Aura] kingwanja|> well mine dont work
[05:07] <JonasNZ> but i wont up it till a can get grub working
[05:08] <Atrophy> but I'm not sure about one for linux
[05:08] <Atrophy> or you can use Nero
[05:08] <JonasNZ> it refuses to install on my hd
[05:08] <zenrox> Atrophy,  ya i i dont have windows to burn or conver it
[05:08] <ebone> i just went from warty to hoary.
[05:08] <Atrophy> lol...
[05:08] <lavigj> anyone good with compiling and libtool? or how to patch source code...
[05:08] <Atrophy> then I commend you on your ability to resist temptation
[05:08] <[Aura] kingwanja|> i have 9600pro graphics and xp2200 512mb ram and 2 hdd`s
[05:08] <zenrox> Atrophy,  lol
[05:09] <[Aura] kingwanja|> and the live cd wont work :s
[05:09] <zenrox> [Aura] kingwanja|,  thats casue of you vid card
[05:09] <[Aura] kingwanja|> :o
[05:09] <rambo> what are some good themes for fluxbox?
[05:09] <lavigj> heck, if someone can tell me how to apply a patch or edit the sourceode for the patch, that would be an awesome help
[05:09] <Atrophy> zenrox... umm I dunno... there has to be a conversion utility somewhere
[05:09] <zenrox> thay only have the free drivers for you vid card
[05:09] <DAC1138> rambo i like the milk theme
[05:10] <[Aura] kingwanja|> so it wont work then :s
[05:10] <zenrox> Atrophy,  just thought some one might know so i dont have to look to had for it
[05:10] <Atrophy> oic LOL
[05:10] <DAC1138> rambo simple, easy on the eyes, and professional looking
[05:10] <Atrophy> laziness... the mark of a true programmer...
[05:10] <zenrox> lol
[05:10] <Atrophy> I see that you are a fellow code monkey ;-)
[05:10] <rambo> ok, let me download it
[05:10] <[Aura] kingwanja|> hang on a min , slax worked
[05:10] <adapt> oi e17 rules
[05:10] <lavigj> Atrophy: code monkey?
[05:11] <zenrox> Atrophy,  i dont wright just edit:)
[05:11] <Atrophy> programmer
[05:11] <JonasNZ> does any1 have any ideas about grub, it just dies when i try and install it, hangs and dies
[05:11] <[Aura] kingwanja|> so ubuntu wont work because i have a radeon 9600pro
[05:11] <Atrophy> thinkgeek.com sells code monkey shirts now... you should all pitch in and buy me one
[05:11] <lavigj> Atrophy: aye, does that mean you are one? I am having a terrible time with libtool at the moment...
[05:11] <DAC1138> hmm... milk isnt the theme name? theres a milk theme, but thats not what im talking about
[05:11] <Atrophy> me = not a linux programmer
[05:11] <zenrox> [Aura] kingwanja|,  it will work you just need to put work in to it and ubuntu needs to be installed
[05:11] <rambo> where can i get the fluxbox milk theme?
[05:11] <Atrophy> I know very little about Linux
[05:12] <DAC1138> rambo http://themes.freshmeat.net/projects/lintherbrushed/
[05:12] <lavigj> Atrophy: oh... dang it...
[05:12] <[Aura] kingwanja|> but i cant make the live cd work ?
[05:12] <zenrox> [Aura] kingwanja|,  dont think so
[05:12] <Atrophy> lol
[05:12] <DAC1138> bbl
[05:12] <zenrox> but i can be wrong
[05:12] <[Aura] kingwanja|> slax >ubuntu
[05:12] <zenrox> Atrophy,  i found it
[05:13] <lavigj> grr... must not... admit..... defeat......
[05:13] <Atrophy> w00t
[05:13] <Atrophy> found what?
[05:13] <[Aura] kingwanja|> thatis so annoying , you coders when didnt you pit the radeon drivers in the live cd , doh!
[05:13] <zenrox> Atrophy, http://gregory.kokanosky.free.fr/v4/linux/nrg2iso.en.html
[05:13] <Atrophy> sweet
[05:13] <lavigj> I don't suppose dud is around?
[05:13] <rambo> DAC1138: where do i put the downloaded fluxbox themes?
[05:13] <zenrox> [Aura] kingwanja|,  thats casue ati wont let them be free
[05:13] <Atrophy> Let's all have a big round of applause for zenrox!!!
[05:14] <zenrox> lol
[05:14] <Atrophy> ::clap::
[05:14] <zenrox> now time to compile it
[05:14] <Atrophy> lol maybe we popped the cork too soon?  LOL
[05:14] <[Aura] kingwanja|> zenrox then how did slax manage because their live cd works
[05:14] <Atrophy> hehehe Linux is the source of all false hopes...
[05:14] <[Aura] kingwanja|> Atrophy linux is for dummies
[05:15] <Atrophy> Aura... my All In Wonder 7500 works just fine except for the TV in/out
[05:15] <lavigj> is cvs hard to use?
[05:15] <Atrophy> javigj... yes
[05:15] <zenrox> [Aura] kingwanja|, dont know maby thay put it in any way ubuntu dont want to break the law so thay left it out
[05:15] <[Aura] kingwanja|> yeah but thats a 7500 they are old and should be free
[05:15] <dale_gribbl1> um ok i just installed warty and i think something is wrong, i don't think it prompted me for a root password, but yet i did a user and can log in as him
[05:15] <lavigj> Atrophy: I thought you weren't a linux programmer :P
[05:16] <Atrophy> I'm not
[05:16] <Atrophy> I'm just saying that cvs is under linux and is therefore hard to use
[05:16] <Atrophy> ;-)
[05:16] <[Aura] kingwanja|> and in case my jokes are bad taste , im peed because it doesnt work and ive got a whole damn box of the things
[05:16] <lavigj> dale_gribbl1: that's because ubuntu uses sudo, instead of root account
[05:16] <zenrox> Atrophy,  and its installed and processing my nrg file
[05:16] <Atrophy> woot!!!
[05:16] <zenrox> quite fast too
[05:16] <Atrophy> sorry Aura... you can send 'em to me if you want
[05:17] <lavigj> dale_gribbl1: by default, the root account is disabled
[05:17] <dale_gribbl1> ok yeah but i didn't create a root password
[05:17] <Atrophy> basically the people you should be mad at is ATI... they can't decide if they want to support stuff under linux or not
[05:17] <zenrox> Atrophy,  is right
[05:17] <SiRrUs> [Aura] kingwanja| why not just go install slack/fedore/mandrake/suse or even windows then and quit complaining
[05:17] <lavigj> dale_gribbl1: that's because by default, root cannot login
[05:18] <Atrophy> be nice, SiRrUs... you'd be pissed too if you had 500 worthless to you CDs
[05:18] <ubuntu2u> someone teach me how to hack :D haha
[05:18] <[Aura] kingwanja|> SiRrUs good idea , thats 100 people that dont get to use ubuntu , ie failures ie dissapears
[05:18] <Atrophy> or 100...
[05:18] <Atrophy> lol
[05:18] <SiRrUs> [Aura] kingwanja| well if there all in here complaining thats probably a good thing
[05:18] <Atrophy> Aura... have you tried installing it and then upgrading the drivers?
[05:18] <Atrophy> or are you only wanting to do a liveCD?
[05:19] <zenrox> Atrophy,  and it convered just fine and the iso mousts just fine
[05:19] <Atrophy> w00t!
[05:19] <Atrophy> zenrox-1 The Forces of Evil-0
[05:19] <zenrox> hehehehe
[05:20] <Atrophy> Aura... have you tried installing it yet or are you just running a LiveCD?
[05:20] <[Aura] kingwanja|> well , first step try live cd , 2nd step install cd over mandrake , 3rd step gice cds to all of my street and let all the people know im cool and give me donations for my kindness of heart :P
[05:20] <Atrophy> lol
[05:21] <Atrophy> and how well did your install work?
[05:21] <Atrophy> can you get gnome running?
[05:21] <[Aura] kingwanja|> i cant even install it
[05:21] <[Aura] kingwanja|> it hangs at the end of the install
[05:21] <Atrophy> and does it give any kind of error output?
[05:22] <[Aura] kingwanja|> my live cd isnt loading and it stops inthe same place - Unmount:/dev not found ,starting pcmcia, enabling hotplug manager
[05:22] <[Aura] kingwanja|> its stops here
[05:22] <Atrophy> ok...
[05:22] <Atrophy> yeah I would either aquire a regular ubuntu install disc or try knoppix or something
[05:23] <Atrophy> but all I know is that it worked fine with my 7500 and it had drivers available for your hardwarez too
[05:23] <[Aura] kingwanja|> well the install disk are here
[05:23] <Atrophy> but that was my warty install disc
[05:23] <Atrophy> so I dunno about anything else
[05:23] <[Aura] kingwanja|> with the lovely live cds -_-
[05:23] <Atrophy> hmm...
[05:23] <Bandit> ( Current Time ) Time: ( 11:24 PM ) Day: ( Tuesday ) Date: ( February 22, 2005 )
[05:24] <Atrophy> No se...
[05:24] <Atrophy> try Knoppix...
[05:24] <[Aura] kingwanja|> in a nice package with 3 ppl on the cover , and one of the chicks on the cover looks sweet
[05:24] <Atrophy> Knoppix > all
[05:24] <Atrophy> lol
[05:24] <lavigj> can someone recommend a channel where I might find some compiling help? the software doesn't have a mailing list or it's own IRC channel
[05:24] <Atrophy> knoppix has saved my butt so many times...
[05:25] <lavigj> Atrophy: it's a great file recovery tool
[05:25] <FR500> hi
[05:25] <FR500> one question
[05:25] <Atrophy> indeed
[05:25] <SiRrUs> hello
[05:25] <FR500> why is that gdesklets does not start
[05:25] <[Aura] kingwanja|> its the graphics drivers -_- why didnt i get a nvidia
[05:25] <Atrophy> it's also good for pissing off the lab techs at school <evil grin>
[05:25] <FR500> i installed from synaptic
[05:26] <FR500> i click it, says starting and then dissapears
[05:26] <[Aura] kingwanja|> i like this , install the cd and make things worse
[05:26] <Atrophy> lol
[05:26] <Atrophy> don't do that lavigj
[05:27] <lavigj> [Aura] kingwanja|: well., if you install it, you can add the universe repositories and upgrade to the non-free ATI drivers
[05:27] <lavigj> Atrophy: then give me an answer to these woes!! :P
[05:27] <dale_gribbl1> yeah those are nice
[05:27] <Atrophy> yeah lavi but he can't install it
[05:27] <SiRrUs> [Aura] kingwanja| why not d/l the iso see if its your 100 disks or not
[05:27] <[Aura] kingwanja|> upgrade as in pay for drivers just to make it work :s
[05:27] <Atrophy> no they're free as in free beer but not free as in freedom
[05:27] <dale_gribbl1> you don't pay for anything
[05:28] <Atrophy> they're available for free from the ATI website or from Synaptic
[05:28] <[Aura] kingwanja|> ok but there are issues if live cd dont work
[05:28] <lavigj> [Aura] kingwanja|: they are not released under the GPL and have a restricted license. You get them free, but because of the license Ubuntu will not include them in the base distribution
[05:28] <FR500> can anyone help
[05:28] <Atrophy> this is true Aura...
[05:28] <TetrisMaster> if i was creating a partition on a disk for linux...would i need to make it "extended" or primary?
[05:28] <Atrophy> but you can make it work if you want to
[05:28] <FR500> any pointer are good for me
[05:28] <Atrophy> or you could try another distro
[05:29] <[Aura] kingwanja|> slax works
[05:29] <Atrophy> slax does work
[05:29] <Atrophy> slax is awesome
[05:29] <[Aura] kingwanja|> yes
[05:29] <SiRrUs> does slack have a live cd
[05:29] <Atrophy> yes... slax
[05:29] <[Aura] kingwanja|> slax is live cd
[05:29] <Atrophy> lol
[05:29] <[Aura] kingwanja|> but it works on here
[05:30] <Atrophy> what works on here?
[05:30] <[Aura] kingwanja|> with my 9600pro card
[05:30] <Atrophy> and where is here? lol
[05:30] <Atrophy> ok so you're wondering why slax works and ubuntu live doesn't?
[05:30] <[Aura] kingwanja|> uk cardiff
[05:30] <[Aura] kingwanja|> yes
[05:30] <SiRrUs> ( Operating System ) Linux Debian-3.1 Kernel: 2.6.10-3-686-smp, GNU/Linux | Xorg: <IP_ADDRESS>2 | IRC Client: X-Chat v.2.4.1
[05:30] <Atrophy> one of three things:
[05:30] <SiRrUs> looks good on this machine
[05:31] <Atrophy> 1: Ubuntu live doesn't like your hardware for some reason
[05:31] <Atrophy> 2: Your discs are screwed up
[05:31] <Atrophy> 3: Either 1 or 2
[05:31] <[Aura] kingwanja|> discs as in the whole case
[05:31] <Atrophy> yeah
[05:32] <Atrophy> and that happens...
[05:32] <Atrophy> those discs were just made by some d00d just like you
[05:32] <[Aura] kingwanja|> of freshly delivered smelling nice ubuntu disks
[05:32] <Bandit> [Aura] kingwanja| d/l the iso and check
[05:32] <Atrophy> if you really want to try ubuntu I would download an iso
[05:32] <Atrophy> for an install disc
[05:32] <Atrophy> because it should work with your stuff
[05:32] <[Aura] kingwanja|> well if it was done by some dude like me he must be damn rich
[05:33] <[Aura] kingwanja|> to give them away
[05:33] <[Aura] kingwanja|> in fact i dont get it
[05:33] <Atrophy> well that's why the good lord gave us donations...
[05:34] <[Aura] kingwanja|> how can i receive lots of free disks
[05:34] <Atrophy> lol
[05:34] <Atrophy> you can't...
[05:34] <[Aura] kingwanja|> let me guess , its the mormons ?
[05:34] <Atrophy> I have the list right here and you're not on it... sorry.
[05:34] <helio7> lol Atrophy
[05:35] <[Aura] kingwanja|> well i had a free delivery of tea mats then
[05:35] <Atrophy> possibly
[05:35] <LinuxJones> [Aura] kingwanja|, you being unreasonable
[05:35] <[Aura] kingwanja|> no
[05:35] <Atrophy> but there's no way to tell unless you're willing to download something else to compare it to
[05:35] <Atrophy> or at least download an md5 to check it against
[05:35] <[Aura] kingwanja|> i dont have a cd rw
[05:36] <Atrophy> you don't have to
[05:36] <helio7>  you can still get free disks just follow the link http://www.ubuntulinux.org/
[05:36] <Atrophy> all you need is the md5 and a cd rom
[05:36] <[Aura] kingwanja|> helio7 thanks but your not helping , in fact you are , i could do with some more to hang on the wall in the bathroom
[05:36] <lavigj> once again I plea, anyone good with compiling who can give me a hand?
[05:36] <helio7> oh yeah there's a windows utility called md5summer can check the digital fingerprint to see if yours is corrupted
[05:37] <crimsun_> lavigj: sup?
[05:37] <Atrophy> anyways Aura... if you'd like to check if your disc is valid then I'll tell you how
[05:37] <LinuxJones> [Aura] kingwanja|, if you r rich you could burn your own cd's ??
[05:37] <[Aura] kingwanja|> disks , yes please
[05:37] <lavigj> crimsun_: I am trying to compile steghide, but I am getting a libtool error. I found a patch, but I have no idea how to apply it. I would edit the source by hand if i understood what needed to be done, or feed libtool by hand... I just don't know what to do at this point
[05:37] <Atrophy> well I gotta check one thing out first... everyone: do you have to make an .iso of the disc first to check the md5?
[05:38] <crimsun_> lavigj: what is the libtool error? use #flood if necessary.
[05:38] <[Aura] kingwanja|> well no , i waited weeks for the cds and when they come through , they dont work
[05:38] <helio7> so does anyone think that by upgrading a machine on which Warty's X-server is messed up to Hoary might possibly fix the problem with X?
[05:38] <lavigj> crimsun_: one moment, I am going to do this from scratch so that it is accurate
[05:38] <crimsun_> helio7: describe "messed up."
[05:38] <Atrophy> lol
[05:39] <[Aura] kingwanja|> i could have been the most popular guy on my street , but as the disks dont work , hmmm
[05:39] <Atrophy> lol
[05:40] <Atrophy> d00d either check the MD5 or go try something else
[05:40] <Atrophy> I'm tryin' to help but you're not wanting to help you just wanna bitch about it
[05:40] <helio7> oh crimsun, it's been a few days and I've googled and forum searched and asked questions in here... i'm looking at /var/log/XFree86.0.log right now trying to figure out exactly is going wrong, but I can't tell... as far as i'm aware I simply rebooted it one day and a perfectly beautiful ubuntu/gnome environment disappeared (and it had been rebooted daily for a couple of weeks)
[05:40] <lavigj> crimsun_: dumping it into #flood
[05:41] <LinuxJones> [Aura] kingwanja|, you would NEVER be the most popular guy on the street :D
[05:41] <crimsun_> helio7: paste your /var/log/XFree86.0.log onto pastebin
[05:41] <lavigj> done
[05:41] <Atrophy> hey btw KDE apps won't run under ubuntu unless I install KDE on it, correct?
[05:41] <Atrophy> and I've heard that installing KDE on ubuntu is risky at best...
[05:41] <crimsun_> Atrophy: only the necessary kde libs
[05:41] <helio7> crimsun can I do that via ssh?
[05:41] <Atrophy> which sucks cause I kinda like KDE and Enlightenment
[05:42] <helio7> crimsun because i'm not sure howto upload via lynx
[05:42] <[Aura] kingwanja|> im nice actually but if i can get donations because they are receiving them from my house , who cares as long as they give me some food money :D
[05:42] <Atrophy> not that I have anything against GNOME... I just like all of 'em ;-)
[05:42] <crimsun_> Atrophy: not at all risky.
[05:42] <Atrophy> hmm I heard that it screws up your GNOME
[05:42] <[Aura] kingwanja|> if i asked for 1 million cds , i could have been the next bill gates
[05:42] <Pluk> how can i check if an executable is compiled for i386 or i686?
[05:43] <crimsun_> helio7: curl -F "code=</var/log/XFree86.0.log" -F poster=helio7 -F parent_pid= -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php 2> /dev/null | grep helio7
[05:43] <helio7> hmm i didn't mean to spam your name crimsun_ was just trying to tab it out lol
[05:43] <LinuxJones> [Aura] kingwanja|, under what..donations to the poor tsunami victims ?
[05:43] <helio7> ok crimsun thanks
[05:43] <crimsun_> Atrophy: no, doesn't screw up gnome.
[05:43] <Atrophy> ok
[05:44] <[Aura] kingwanja|> no under give to your friendly neighbour rules :D
[05:44] <Atrophy> and say I were to do that... how would I switch between WMs?
[05:44] <crimsun_> Atrophy: do you mean desktop environments?
[05:44] <Atrophy> yeah
[05:45] <helio7> crimsun_ code entered... not sure if it worked looking now
[05:45] <crimsun_> Atrophy: simply choose the desktop environment you want under Session in the graphical greeter
[05:45] <lavigj> crimsun_: brb... I put that stuff in #flood
[05:45] <[Aura] kingwanja|> remember the golden rule - love thy neighbour as thy self , if i give them disks , they give me money $..$
[05:45] <crimsun_> lavigj: k
[05:45] <Atrophy> ok
[05:46] <LinuxJones> [Aura] kingwanja|, you sound like a gosel preacher low on cash
[05:46] <[Aura] kingwanja|> i will even give a cd to the newspapers so it shows im giving in the town and then i will take over the world }:{} mwwahahahahahahaha
[05:46] <crimsun_> lavigj: dpkg -l libtool|grep ^ii|awk '{print $3}'
[05:47] <Atrophy> Aura... come on, d00d... do you want to get ubuntu working, or do you want to take over the world?!?!
[05:47] <Atrophy> make up your mind...
[05:47] <[Aura] kingwanja|> i want to get ot working :'(
[05:47] <helio7> err I think the ethernet cable was loose... can anyone tell me the command to try and reestablish connectivity?  ifconfig something?
[05:47] <[Aura] kingwanja|> it*
[05:47] <crimsun_> helio7: sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0
[05:48] <Atrophy> ok well then get the freakin MD5 already
[05:48] <[Aura] kingwanja|> hmmm i see linux getting big and i want to take over and monapolise it $..$
[05:48] <Atrophy> you can get it from anywhere where you can get the ISOs for the ubuntu cds
[05:48] <lavigj> crimsun_: all it put out was 1.5.6-2