[00:44] <elopio> veebers: freshly flashed and the test passed.
[00:44] <elopio> I will try some more after the gym.
[07:45] <mgedmin> halp I can't log in into iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[07:45] <mgedmin> I tried my launchpad openid login and I'm getting a weird error, "The name mgedmin is already taken"
[07:45] <mgedmin> I'm not trying to sign up, I'm trying to log in, of course the name is taken, *I took it*
[07:46] <mgedmin> I had logged in successfully a few months ago, when I was testing utopic images
[07:46] <mgedmin> also, there's a 404 link for the orgotten password bit: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1418381
[07:49] <mgedmin> curiously, I have a 'qa.ubuntu.com' username + password pair saved in my password safe, but it's not accepted by http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/user/login
[07:50] <elfy> mgedmin: well there's not anything wrong with the login itself - just had to do the same here
[07:51] <mgedmin> do what?
[07:51]  * mgedmin files https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-qa-website/+bug/1418383
[07:53] <mgedmin> manually attempting openid login at /user/login with http://launchpad.net/~mgedmin as my openid url results in the same error: I'm at /user/register with "username already taken" :/
[07:54] <mgedmin> can't log in, can't report test test results :(
[15:47] <elopio> brendand: before you EOD, please make sure you review all the cards. I'm taking a look at yours.
[15:48] <brendand> elopio, i think i have
[15:49] <brendand> elopio, i didn't reply to alesage's because i don't have anything to add. i could just leave an approve i guess
[15:50] <elopio> brendand: for the cards that are in the review column?
[15:50] <brendand> elopio, yes
[15:51] <elopio> brendand: I don't see it. Like https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-sanity-tests/add-verbose-flag/+merge/248700
[15:52] <elopio> https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-sanity-tests/copy_data/+merge/248679
[16:18]  * alesage is doing reviews
[16:23] <elfy> balloons: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/DevelopmentSetup/SyncImage
[16:47]  * balloons loks
[16:47] <balloons> elfy, nice interview btw.. Nice to know a little more history. I loved the opening line of selling from a van :-)
[16:47] <slickymasterWork> :)
[16:47] <balloons> where is this linked from elfy ?
[16:48] <elfy> balloons: it's linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/DevelopmentSetup now
[16:48] <elfy> and :)
[16:49] <balloons> perfect
[16:49] <balloons> I cleaned up the unity8 stuff a bit more and sent round some mail about testing it
[16:49] <elfy> when you say loks I assume you lokked properly at it
[16:50] <balloons> I glanced.. soon enough I will read it
[16:51] <elfy> okey doke
[18:31] <dobey> erm
[18:31] <dobey> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10077296/
[18:31] <dobey> elopio, alesage: ^^ any idea why i'm getting an unknown option error for an option that's listed as an option, there? or do i need to bug uitk people?
[18:33] <elopio> dobey: yes, I don't know about that. I think that's the launcher kalikiana made for some tests.
[18:34] <dobey> elopio: yeah, get_toolkit_launcher_command() uses it. i changed to that, because get_qml_launch_command() throws a deprecation warning
[18:34] <dobey> i guess i should just leave it as deprecated for now huh?
[18:35] <elopio> dobey: yes, I'm not sure why using qmlscene is deprecated.
[18:36] <elopio> originally, the launcher was to reproduce some weird scenarios. I think it's ok for you to use qmlscene, which is what your app will be doing in the real world.
[18:40] <dobey> ok
[18:50] <dobey> elopio: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10077617/ <- any idea what's going on here exactly? seems the process starts and then immediately exits?
[18:52] <elopio> dobey: it is finding the proxy object for the process, then it's failing to select 'payui' from it. It doesn't seem like the process stops, that shows a different error.
[18:52] <elopio> dobey: if you push it I can take a look.
[18:53] <dobey> elopio: look at lines 3 and 4 in that log. what process is it waiting on there if not qmlscene?
[18:54] <elopio> dobey: right, but I think that it's between lines 2 and 3 that the test is running.
[18:54] <elopio> the traceback doesn't have a timestamp, so that's hard to confirm with the log.
[18:55] <dobey> so autopilot is bad at logging :)
[18:55] <elopio> dobey: try running with -v. That prints more things.
[18:55] <dobey> elopio: it's lp:~dobey/pay-ui/adt-run-ap
[18:55] <dobey> i have no idea how one would pass -v to autopilot when running it via adt-run like this
[18:55] <elopio> dobey: yes, we suck at logging.
[18:56] <dobey> adt-run --click-source . --click ../build-adt-run-ap-UbuntuSDK_for_amd64_GCC_ubuntu_sdk_14_10_utopic-Default/com.canonical.payui_15.01.last_amd64.click -U --apt-pocket proposed --setup-commands ubuntu-touch-session --- qemu ~/adt-vivid-amd64-cloud.img
[18:56] <elopio> dobey: ah, there's a trick for that. It's unsupported and pitti said not to use it, so I always forget about it.
[18:56] <dobey> that is how i'm running the tests
[18:56] <elopio> let me try to find it.
[18:57]  * balloons wonders if he should give up the goods
[18:57] <dobey> balloons: and become a monk?
[18:57] <elopio> balloons: I was trying to find it myself, as this is like the 10th time I ask you :)
[18:57] <alesage> and walk the earth
[18:58] <elopio> balloons: but go ahead.
[18:58] <dobey> alesage: i'm much better at salting it
[18:58] <alesage> dobey, just don't scorch it
[18:59] <balloons> dobey, you need to pass autopilot args into ADT_AUTOPILOT_MODULE
[18:59] <balloons> so something like ADT_AUTOPILOT_MODULE="-v testsuite" adt-run
[18:59] <balloons> but yes it's secret, bad stuff, undocumented, etc. I believe there may be a better way now to do it
[19:00] <elopio> I see on https://people.debian.org/~mpitt/autopkgtest/README.click-tests.html that you can define the command for running the autopilot tests.
[19:00] <elopio> maybe you would like to put -v there, so it's always verbose.
[19:01] <balloons> yes, you can change it inside the manifest, but you aren't likely to want to do it that way
[19:01] <balloons> that is of course the supported way I guess
[19:02] <balloons> I thought the default output got changed to subunit though?
[19:03] <dobey> eh, yeah, that's still very not nice
[19:04] <elopio> I've finished my test \o/
[19:05] <elopio> dobey: the click scope tests are still not running on jenkins, right?
[19:05] <dobey> elopio: the scope tests are running, yes
[19:06] <dobey> elopio: pay-ui autopilot tests aren't yet i think
[19:06] <elopio> dobey: great. I've just finished a test to uninstall a click package, for the sanity suite.
[19:06] <elopio> I will me moving some code upstream.
[19:06] <dobey> cool
[19:08] <elopio> alesage: please review this one as soon as you can, so I have time to make any changes you like before EOD
[19:08] <elopio> https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-sanity-tests/uninstall_click/+merge/248710
[19:09] <dobey> elopio: i think the click scope autopilot test runs are still a bit unreliable in jenkins though
[19:10] <alesage> elopio, shall do
[19:10] <elopio> dobey: last thing I knew was the problem with adding the u1 account. But this test doesn't require a u1 account, it install the package with pkcon.
[19:11] <dobey> elopio: right. we aren't running the tests that actually require a u1 account though, are we?
[19:11] <elopio> I need first to add vertical swiping for the scope, and that needs some code in the toolkit. So it will take some time.
[19:11] <elopio> dobey: ah, let me see.
[19:12] <elopio> right, the test with credentials is skipped.
[19:13] <dobey> anyway, i'm more interested in getting a working run of payui autopilot tests under adt-run
[19:14] <dobey> but i guess i'll have to push it off further as well, because i also need to fix this other bug that actually affects users right now
[19:14] <elopio> dobey: yes, adt-run and payui, that will open many things. I'll look at your branch now.
[19:17] <dobey> elopio: oh i guess it's failing because it's probably trying to open online-accounts and that will fail
[19:25] <alesage> elopio, maybe I missed something about this in stand-up, where do I get dash.DashApps?
[19:27] <elopio> alesage: that comes from unity8, but adt-run should take care of the deps. Are you getting an error?
[19:27] <alesage> elopio, let me paste hang on
[19:28] <alesage> elopio, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10078188/
[19:29] <alesage> I guess we're needing that on import?
[19:30] <elopio> alesage: you have an older version.
[19:31] <elopio> is your host vivid?
[19:31] <alesage> elopio, utopic
[19:31] <elopio> there's something weird there, because the host should never import ubuntu_sanity_tests.tests
[19:32] <alesage> elopio, I think I encountered this at some point going over a veebers branch,
[19:32] <elopio> alesage: yes, we made a mistake somewhere.
[19:32] <alesage> there's a tests import to check something (foggy details)
[19:33] <alesage> I delayed the import but that bit might not have landed b/c yours landed first?
[19:33] <elopio> alesage: I have no idea what you are talking about.
[19:34] <alesage> elopio, ok then :) , I'll investigate a bit
[19:34] <elopio> where do you have the delayed import?
[19:35] <alesage> elopio, let me find
[19:35] <elopio> hum, actually on register_test_options, we are importing tests. So this will always happen.
[19:36] <brendand> alesage, elopio - have you guys hit this issue i'm seeing yet?
[19:36] <elopio> I think we need to remove that feature. There's no way to make it work with an older host.
[19:36] <dkessel> good evening
[19:37] <alesage> elopio, I was mistaken--I remember now (and see) that you're delaying that same import
[19:37] <elopio> balloons: which issue?
[19:37] <dkessel> elfy, can you confirm: "after booting into xubuntu daily x64 live image, when opening firefox, the start page appears in turkish" ?
[19:38] <balloons> evening to you as well dkessel
[19:38] <dkessel> evening balloons :)
[19:38] <alesage> I'm a bit confused as to why we're doing these imports on the test-runner-side at all
[19:38] <dkessel> the page it opens is http://start.ubuntu.com/15.04/Google/?sourceid=hp
[19:39] <alesage> or just tests I suppose
[19:39] <brendand> elopio, you can manage to type br<tab> right ;) ?
[19:40] <elopio> brendand: not while hungry.
[19:40] <elfy> dkessel: vivid?
[19:40] <brendand> elopio, we had to make fginther leave our channel because he shares *3* initial characters with fgiminez
[19:40] <brendand> elopio, lol
[19:40] <brendand> elopio, it hangs for me
[19:40] <dkessel> elfy: yup
[19:40] <elopio> :)
[19:40] <elopio> brendand: ah, right. Not yet. I'll flash after lunch and give it a try.
[19:41] <dkessel> came across it while reinstalling my development partition so i can test vivid again ;)
[19:41] <elfy> dkessel: just booting it - been looking at trusty the last few days
[19:41] <alesage> I guess I hope we'll support utopic, else I'll have to do a risky upgrade
[19:41] <dkessel> i doubt it is something about the iso really... i guess it would have to be fixed on that web server the page points to
[19:42] <elfy> dkessel: yep - can confirm that
[19:42] <alesage> elopio, this feels blocked for a bit? I'll resume my flight-mode work, or should I dig in here?
[19:43] <elopio> alesage: I'm removing all the things for this config feature that we have never used.
[19:43] <elopio> I'll ping you soon.
[19:43] <alesage> elopio, ok
[19:43] <elfy> dkessel: I would check ubuntu - but that's unbootable
[19:43] <dkessel> balloons: what do you think about it? ^ report a bug, or tell someone at canonical to fix that web server? ;)
[19:43] <dkessel> elfy: good to know - i won't even try i then
[19:48] <balloons> is it a geoip issue?
[19:48] <balloons> I'm slightly struggling to follow this.
[19:50] <elfy> grab xubuntu image - open web-browser - get turkish
[19:50] <balloons> post or pre install?
[19:50] <elfy> live session
[19:52] <elfy> http://i.imgur.com/9jYPEtL.png
[19:52] <elfy> balloons: ^^
[19:53]  * balloons boots
[19:55] <balloons> does it stay like that after boot? ohh.. that's actually different than I thought
[19:57] <knome> heh
[20:00] <elopio> alesage: can you please try again merging this?
[20:00] <elopio> https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/ubuntu-sanity-tests/remove_tests_import/+merge/248817
[20:01] <alesage> elopio, ok
[20:02] <dkessel> mhh maybe that's part of the default firefox profile somehow? though the settings said my preferred language was english...
[20:03] <elfy> pretty sure it's not that
[20:07] <elopio> brendand: getting stuck, you are right.
[20:07] <elopio> I hate this. Every single week, it breaks when we are about to finish.
[20:08] <elopio> this looks like unity not being able to start.
[20:30] <brendand> elopio, it's weird - i've gone back to old revision of vivid, gone back many branches
[20:30] <brendand> elopio, semi-glad it's not just me, but it's really frustrating
[20:30] <brendand> elopio, it's getting stuck in adt-run right?
[20:31] <elopio> brendand: I'm investigating. I think it's a change they did on the lightdm mock.
[20:31] <brendand> elopio, last thing i see is : Loading tests from: /tmp/adt-run.mKS8sN/build.Xxo/real-tree
[20:31] <brendand> elopio, ahhh. so dev teams can break our s**t by changing their packages
[20:31] <brendand> elopio, no fair :P
[20:31] <elopio> brendand: totally.
[20:31] <elopio> that's why they have to run this test suite as part of their release process.
[20:32] <elopio> and we need to be smart about the code we keep in this branch.
[20:32] <brendand> elopio, well seems you have a better idea than i do. if you find a workaround please send a mail to the list
[20:32] <brendand> elopio, i don't want to be still stuck tomorrow
[20:32] <brendand> elopio, even if you don't, send your findings, any info will be useful
[20:32] <elopio> if I'm right, is in good part my fault for using self._lightdm_mock_type = None in our branch. It's clearly a private thing that we shouldn't be touching.
[20:33] <elopio> brendand: yes, I will.
[20:35] <alesage> if the symptom is hanging and a black screen I may be affected also
[20:35] <dobey> elopio: do you know how we can quickly get autopilot tests running in jenkins for payui MPs?
[20:36] <elopio> dobey: quickly, ask ci to add payui to their jobs. But that will not use autopkg, it will do something like phablet-test-run.
[20:38] <dobey> elopio: right, we don't have autopkgtest set up in trunk yet anyway. i want it for another MP i'm about to make. i made a small change to the mock test server to better reflect reality, but i can't verify that the tests still pass
[20:40] <elopio> dobey: yes, you'll need a config like the one you have for click scope tests. Ask the ci vanguard and he'll make it. It will be easier if you have a make task like the one in the scope too.
[20:41] <dobey> elopio: yeah, there's a make autopilot
[20:59] <alesage> elopio, this flash is taking a while, will have your review by EOD though
[21:00] <elopio> alesage: if you flashed, you will need my new branch too.
[21:00] <elopio> too many fires today.
[21:01] <alesage> elopio, meaning to install on device?
[21:01] <elopio> alesage: newest image has newest unity which breaks our tests.
[21:03] <alesage> elopio, ok then--what's your new branch?
[21:03] <elopio> alesage: in progress. I still haven't found a good workaround.
[21:05] <alesage> elopio ok that's good info, I'll stop flashing and resume flight-mode just to get that MP in (current flash is write-mode--do you know if there's a way to 'undo' write mode?)
[21:06] <elopio> alesage: you have to umount the partition. I don't know the path of the partition though.
[21:06] <alesage> elopio, k
[22:23] <brendand> elopio, any news about the issue?
[22:25] <elopio> brendand: still debugging.
[22:25] <elopio> it just seems unity doesn't want to start when called through adt run.
[22:25] <elopio> but it works just ok when done via adb shell
[22:25] <elopio> might be that we are doing it too fast.
[22:26] <elopio> I don't really know now. I will just keep trying things.
[22:26] <brendand> elopio, did you notice that neither mir socket is present?
[22:26] <brendand> elopio, either in /tmp or /run/user
[22:27] <elopio> brendand: yes, the log says that mir was killed.
[22:27] <brendand> elopio, that's not supposed to happen is it?
[22:27] <elopio> brendand: no. And the weird thing is that the whole unity suite succeeds.
[22:28] <elopio> that's why I suspect of stopping and starting too fast. The only difference I can see is that we stop during test set up.
[22:28] <elopio> will do some more  runs removing parts, I still have some hours today.
[22:29] <dobey> hmm, no, it shouldn't be trying to open online-accounts here
[22:55] <dobey> oh well, time to go. later all


[08:06] <darkxst> Noskcaj, http://pastebin.com/eLdGc6K8 updated patch, I will try push the remaining changes upstream, but right now the titlebar patch is not and probably won't be in 3.14 branch
[08:26] <darkxst> Noskcaj, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741236
[08:26] <ubot5`> Gnome bug 741236 in general "Don't set "titlebar" class when using headerbar widget as a toolbar" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[08:29]  * mgedmin forgot the name of the package that contains translations for the livecd boot menu
[08:30] <darkxst> isolinux?
[08:30] <mgedmin> apparently not: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isolinux is a 404
[08:31] <mgedmin> there, gfxboot-theme-ubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu/+bug/1384188
[08:31] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1384188 in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "Missing translations for 'Install Ubuntu GNOME' and 'Try Ubuntu GNOME without installing'" [Undecided,New]
[08:31] <darkxst> syslinux?
[08:31] <mgedmin> I was told the last few days of the utopic cycle were too late to fix this
[08:32] <mgedmin> so the beginning of the vivid cycle seems like the right time to ping whoever's maintaining this so it doesn't get lost in the cracks
[08:41]  * mgedmin prepares a patch: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gfxboot-theme-ubuntu/+bug/1384188/comments/1
[08:41] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1384188 in gfxboot-theme-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "Missing translations for 'Install Ubuntu GNOME' and 'Try Ubuntu GNOME without installing'" [Undecided,New]
[08:46] <mgedmin> so, uh, cjwatson's been shedding his ubuntu responsibilities while transitioning to launchpad development, to avoid burnout
[08:46] <mgedmin> I wonder who's going to be taking care of gfxboot-theme-ubuntu now
[09:25] <darkxst> mgedmin, any ubuntu-core dev can upload, though no idea if there are any that care enough to do that
[09:25] <knittl> anybody else having transparent title bars on utopic with gnome-staging ppa?
[09:26] <mgedmin> no, but I've heard someone mention that bug
[09:26] <knittl> dark-themed inactive windows are transparent, light-themed windows are fully black when inactive
[09:27] <mgedmin> iirc it's a video driver bug
[09:27] <knittl> hard to imagine
[09:28] <mgedmin> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/188413547/bug.png turned out to be a video driver bug too
[09:29] <knittl> mgedmin: i have the same appearance with nvidia and nouveau
[09:30] <knittl> I'll have a look at the theme style files, maybe something's missing there
[09:30] <darkxst> knittl, I have not seen it with mvidia
[09:30] <mgedmin> hm, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/748184 is probably not it
[09:30] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 748184 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (Ubuntu) "[nouveau] Text alpha blending is broken with nouveau" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[09:30] <mgedmin> I'm on intel video and I haven't seen the transparent title bars bug
[09:30] <knittl> I'll do a screenshot
[09:31] <darkxst> yeh I haven't seen it on intel either
[09:32] <darkxst> knittl, I have seen screenshots
[09:33] <darkxst> just not been able to reproduce on any of my systems (I don't use nouveau though)
[09:36] <knittl> darkxst: mgedmin: http://fhlug.at/~dkf/titlebars.png (top terminal is active, bottom terminal has transparent bar, firefox has black bar)
[09:42] <knittl> ha. I think the theme is borked. if set C_titlebar_unfocused to #ff0000, then everything is red
[09:42] <knittl> so I guess blend/gtk:base[NORMAL]/gtk:bg[NORMAL]/0.4 somehow cannot be resolved
[09:45] <darkxst> knittl, that is not Adwaita?
[09:45] <knittl> darkxst: it's adwaita
[09:48] <darkxst> knittl, I don't know then, I certainly haven't seen that on nividia blob, intel or vmware gallium drivers
[09:52] <knittl> blende/#000000/#ffffff/0.3 will do for the moment.
[09:52] <knittl> * blend
[09:56] <darkxst> knittl, does it happen on the live CD?
[09:56] <knittl> darkxst: haven't tried. although I'm not sure, if installing PPAs in a live cd would work well
[09:57] <darkxst> it should in theory but you will probably run out of space
[12:12] <LinDol> hi all
[19:10] <linux_lover> cant install nvidia drives on my dell 7537!!!!
[19:10] <linux_lover> get  a black screen :(
[19:18] <octoquad> Hi linux_lover, which kernel are using? 3.16.0-26?
[19:21] <linux_lover> octoquad: yes 3.16.0-25-generic
[19:21] <linux_lover> oh 25
[19:21] <linux_lover> 04:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GK107M [GeForce GT 750M] (rev a1)
[19:22] <linux_lover> its ubuntu-gnome 14.10
[19:22] <octoquad> Ok, have you tried installing the nvidia driver on a newer kernel (26) or older kernel (24)?
[19:24] <octoquad> Also does your PC hang at bootup or can you still get to terminal (tty) with CTRL+ALT+F1 to F6 after boot?
[19:24] <linux_lover> i used the graphical tool from ubuntu
[19:24] <linux_lover> additional drives ...
[19:24] <linux_lover> i get a term att tty1 2 3 ...
[19:24] <octoquad> ah ok
[19:24] <octoquad> ok cool
[19:24] <octoquad> can you login
[19:24] <linux_lover> black screen. and gdm restart does not help
[19:25] <octoquad> first time installation?
[19:25] <linux_lover> until purge nvidia* and remove /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:25] <linux_lover> yes
[19:25] <linux_lover> used fedora arch and debian before ;)
[19:25] <octoquad> you might need to create a new xorg.conf using the nvidia tool
[19:25] <linux_lover> i tried nvidia-xconfig. doesnt helped
[19:26] <linux_lover> in terminal
[19:27] <octoquad> Can you inspect the .xsession-errors in your home folder. Anything useful there?
[19:29] <linux_lover> gnome-session-is-accelerated: No hardware 3D support.
[19:29] <linux_lover> gnome-session-check-accelerated: Helper exited with code 256
[19:29] <linux_lover> ** (process:3862): WARNING **: software acceleration check failed: Child process exited with code 1
[19:30] <octoquad> You can also try the bumblebee project as well: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee#Installation
[19:30] <octoquad> That worked for me, and I think I have the same graphic card
[19:31] <linux_lover> (gnome-shell:3523): Gjs-WARNING **: JS ERROR: TypeError: this.primaryMonitor is undefined
[19:32] <linux_lover> octoquad: last try :)
[19:33] <octoquad> Are you going try bumblebee now?
[19:33] <linux_lover> i will use the intel. sad, got 2gb and powerfull nvidia, and has to use an intel :D
[19:33] <linux_lover> yes
[19:33] <linux_lover> install bumblebee
[19:34] <octoquad> Cool
[19:34] <octoquad> good luck :)
[19:36] <linux_lover> how to test it before restart xorg ^^
[19:37] <linux_lover> manual says reboot
[19:37] <linux_lover> octoquad: thx
[20:46] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Do we want clutter-gst 3.0 for 15.04? i doubt debian will package it because of the freeze
[20:49] <darkxst> Noskcaj, is it used by anything in 3.14?
[20:49] <Noskcaj> only released this week, so i guess not
[20:50] <Noskcaj> Just makes 3.16 slightly harder to push in if we try for it in 15.04


[12:14] <bradb> [ ]  hoary mozilla-firefox
[12:14] <bradb> etc.
[12:15] <bradb> Kinnison: would that UI make sense to you (leaving the wording tweaking, etc. to mpt)?
[12:16] <Kinnison> Seems fairly sane
[12:16] <bradb> cool
[12:16] <Kinnison> Although I'd seriously recommend against touching the publishing history stuff for this week
[12:16] <bradb> sounds good. i prefer to keep a safe distance from it for now. ;)
[12:16] <bradb> gf arrives in 15 mins and i'm BIKINILESS
[12:17] <Kinnison> Renaming BinaryPackage to BinaryPackageRelease, SourcePackagePublishingHistory to SecureSourcePackagePublishingHistory, PackagePublishingHistory to SecureBinaryPackagePublishingHistory, and re-doing the 11 views surrounding all that
[12:17] <bradb> whoa, all hail automated testing
[12:17] <Kinnison> and all the fall out from renaming the FK columns to binarypackagerelease
[12:17] <Kinnison> Aye
[12:17] <Kinnison> it's a > 20kB SQL patch
[12:18] <bradb> until that works probably, would it be ok to assume that the sp name is the same in all releases? the first use case is only warty, hoary, breezy anyway, AFAIK
[12:18] <bradb> s/probably/properly/
[12:25] <Kinnison> yeah
[12:27] <bradb> ok, thanks for the feedback guys
[03:08] <jamesh> so, still no wiki?
[03:10] <elmo> I still don't have a tarball
[03:13] <jamesh> okay
[01:08] <carlos> "morning"
[01:08] <jordi> heh
[02:08] <mpt> carlos!
[02:10] <carlos> mpt, !
[02:10] <mpt> carlos, where are your photos? :-)
[02:10] <carlos> mpt, in my computer
[02:11] <carlos> I will try to upload them today :-)
[02:11] <mpt> The ones I took disappeared off the camera
[02:11] <mpt> That was the day before I got the SD card
[02:11] <carlos> oh, really?
[02:11] <carlos> so the SD card makes your camera memory to disappear?
[02:12] <mpt> hmmm
[02:12] <carlos> mpt, btw, my SD reader is not supported by Linux :-(
[02:12] <mpt> aha!
[02:12] <mpt> I took out the SD card and the photos reappeared!
[02:12] <carlos> a girl asked me to use it to delete some music to get some space for more pictures and I was not able to use it :-(
[02:12] <carlos> mpt, :-D
[02:13] <mpt> carlos, was she pretty?
[02:13] <carlos> mpt, too old for me :-)
[02:30] <mpt> eh, the wiki still hasn't been moved back
[02:33] <Kinnison> mpt: can you please bug kiko about it
[02:33] <carlos> mpt, kiko forgot to send the data to elmo
[02:33] <mpt> kiko's not getting back until tomorrow
[02:33] <Kinnison> argh
[02:42] <jordi> carlos: how old is too old?
[02:42] <jordi> carlos: and, reply to my last question in query :)
[02:43] <Nafallo> carlos: is it correct that uploaded po's is in rosetta after a few minutes? my last two took several days :-)
[02:43] <carlos> jordi, 4 or 5 years older than me
[02:43] <carlos> Nafallo, new ones should be done faster now
[02:43] <carlos> Nafallo, breezy has been imported already
[02:43] <Nafallo> carlos: kewl :-)
[02:43] <Nafallo> carlos: it has?
[02:43] <carlos> Nafallo, yeah, finally
[02:43] <jordi> carlos: that is *TOTALLY* not too old.
[02:43] <jordi> carlos: was she hot?
[02:44] <carlos> jordi, I said too old for me
[02:44] <Nafallo> carlos: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/control-center/+pots/review-breezy-control-center-1
[02:45] <Nafallo> carlos: then why is swedish blank?
[02:45] <jordi> carlos: bah
[02:45] <carlos> Nafallo, usually, that means the .po file had a problem while being imported
[02:45] <Nafallo> carlos: hmm, uploaded again anyway ;-)
[02:46] <Nafallo> carlos: and I will hopefully get karma ;-)
[02:46] <jordi> what's your karma?
[02:46] <jordi> what is a k00l level of karma these days?
[02:46] <carlos> jordi, no idea
[02:46] <Nafallo> dunno. 114 right now :-)
[02:47] <jordi> heh
[02:47] <jordi> 2010!
[02:47] <jordi> I guess carlos will overflow the counter
[02:47] <SteveA> hi
[02:48] <carlos> jordi, do you have 2010?
[02:48] <carlos> SteveA, morning
[02:48] <carlos> well, not so morning :-P
[02:48] <SteveA> carlos: hello.  how's it going?
[02:49] <jordi> carlos: yes
[02:49] <carlos> SteveA, still tired and a bit jet lagged, but fine
[02:49] <Nafallo> jordi: translation suggestion approved?
[02:49] <carlos> SteveA, how are we going to handle the review requests until kiko sends the wiki content to elmo?
[02:49] <Nafallo> jordi: what's that? :-)
[02:50] <jordi> Nafallo: hmm?
[02:50] <carlos> Nafallo, breezy imports
[02:50] <SteveA> carlos: the wiki should be ready already.  i'll find out what's up
[02:50] <carlos> SteveA, elmo didn't get the content
[02:50] <Nafallo> carlos: uploaded po's?
[02:51] <carlos> SteveA, I asked already
[02:51] <SteveA> carlos: okay.  i need to get hold of someone in brazil
[02:51] <carlos> Nafallo, yeah
[02:51] <SteveA> mpt: ping?
[02:51] <Nafallo> ah
[02:51] <Nafallo> I translate in rosetta :-)
[02:51] <mpt> SteveA: pong
[02:51] <carlos> Nafallo, the karma implementation landed last week, so your karma should start growing soon
[02:52] <mpt> If anyone wants a branch to review, I can give them one
[02:52] <SteveA> mpt: anyone else around?  celso, salgado, johan perhaps?
[02:52] <SteveA> nando?
[02:52] <Nafallo> carlos: I know. :-)
[02:53] <mpt> SteveA: Salgado's here, Nando too I think
[02:53] <SteveA> salgado: hello
[02:53] <SteveA> okay.  the wiki is somewhere in brazil.  we need to get it to elmo.
[02:53] <salgado> yo SteveA
[02:53] <SteveA> hi salgado.  do you know where the wiki data is?
[02:53] <Nafallo> carlos: just busy doing all my duties. motu, universe security, testing, translation, starting up swedish loco... will it never end? ;-)
[02:53] <salgado> SteveA, just found it
[02:55] <jordi> carlos: ok, mail got here now
[02:57] <mpt> carlos, there's some questions in rosetta-users that I don't know the answer to
[02:57] <jordi> carlos: what's "Ubuntite!"?
[02:57] <SteveA> so, carlos, the answer is, we'll have the wiki back shortly.
[02:57] <carlos> mpt, jordi is working on it
[02:57] <mpt> jordi: It's Ubuntu-specific crack
[02:57] <jordi> nod
[02:57] <carlos> SteveA, ok, thank you
[02:57] <jordi> carlos: oh dude!
[02:57] <jordi> I have so MUCH MORE karma than you.
[02:57] <SteveA> jordi: how's it going with rosetta?
[02:57] <mpt> jordi: It's whether someone has signed the Ubuntu Code of Conduct
[02:57] <carlos> jordi, I think it's like a Debian developer but for Ubuntu
[02:58] <jordi> SteveA: for now, I try to discuss my answers to email with Carlos before mailing.
[02:58] <jordi> SteveA: I just sent another tricky reply to the list.
[02:58] <jordi> mpt: node
[02:58] <jordi> -e
[02:58] <jordi> SteveA: and trying to get a list of new FAQ stuff before I add mroe
[02:59] <jordi> Redhatter! NO WAY! :P
[02:59] <jordi> ok
[02:59] <jordi> gotta go home now
[02:59] <carlos> jordi, Fedorist!
[02:59] <jordi> see ya later from Carlos' place.
[03:02] <carlos> jordi, later
[03:02] <mpt> salgado, have you zipped up the wiki?
[03:02] <SteveA> mpt: dude, he bzipped it
[03:03] <salgado> mpt, yep. unzipped it's more than 100MB
[03:03] <mpt> I was ever so slightly more interested in the continued editability than the method of compression
[03:31] <bradb> SteveA: hi
[03:31] <SteveA> hello brad
[03:31] <bradb> anyway, any news on the page titles?
[03:32] <SteveA> no way
[03:32] <SteveA> that sucks
[03:32] <SteveA> mine was left out in the pouring rain for an hour at vilnius
[03:33] <SteveA> but at least it arrived
[03:33] <bradb> yeah, in miami there was some serious lightning, so they had to stopped loading bags. then, when it came down to the last minute, the pilot had to choose between us getting out of there before the airport curfew, or loading the rest of the bags (which would have almost surely meant cancelling the flight)
[03:34] <bradb> so, there were about 25 of us there waiting in line at 2AM in Montreal to file missing baggage reports...took at least an hour to get through the line too
[03:38] <bradb> SteveA: I was also going to ask: I want to get into the habit of testing my view classes more often (seems to fragile to not test non-trivial views.) Remind me, do these kinds of tests simply go in the doc/ directory? Should they usually go in a separate -views.txt test?
[03:41] <SteveA> bradb: we have yet to make a standard way to do this.  I think -views.txt is a good place to start.
[03:42] <bradb> ok, I will use a bug-release-targeting-views.txt for this one
[03:44] <SteveA> actually
[03:44] <SteveA> say "pages"
[03:44] <SteveA> not views
[03:44] <SteveA> because the term "views" is used in the database code as well as the browser code
[03:44] <bradb> ok
[03:46] <SteveA> jamesh: ping?
[03:53] <elmo> ok, LP wiki is backup on wiki.launchpad.canonical.com
[03:54] <carlos> elmo, cool, thanks
[03:56] <carlos> elmo, hmm, the user names look bad from the RecentChanges page
[03:56] <elmo> ... they will?
[03:56] <elmo> I can't really do anything about that
[03:56] <elmo> w.lp.c.c uses LP auth, the async temp one didn't
[03:56] <carlos> it's XXX-dynamic where XXX is a number
[03:57] <mpt> thanks elmo
[03:57] <mpt> oh, woohoo, Moinonymous changes again :-)
[03:58] <elmo> hmm, we also lost the previous recentchanges  history, meh
[03:58] <carlos> salgado, https://launchpad.net/errors/showEntry.html?id=1123595870.940.120054634507
[03:59] <elmo> oh, err or not
[03:59] <salgado> carlos, it seems to have expired
[03:59] <salgado> carlos, if you still have it in your browser, please paste it for me. :)
[03:59] <carlos> salgado, seems like jordi has two wiki names
[04:00] <salgado> carlos, if he merged accounts, this is a known problem
[04:00] <carlos> salgado, https://launchpad.net/people/jordi
[04:00] <SteveA> thanks elmo.
[04:02] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Improvements for archive-mirror (better error messages, allow archive/limit syntax) (patch-60<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:03] <bradb> ddaa: hi. is it safe to blow away the .arch-cache directory?
[04:03] <ddaa> Absolutely, totally safe.
[04:04] <bradb> the name of the directory would seem to indicate yes, but i thought i'd ask to be doubly sure
[04:04] <bradb> ddaa: thanks
[04:04] <ddaa> But I wonder why you would
[04:04] <bradb> reclaiming disk space
[04:05] <ddaa> 174M... never removed...
[04:05] <ddaa> *shrug*
[04:05] <carlos> SteveA, the review page is not sending emails to the reviewers mailing list anymore
[04:06] <bradb> 450M for me :/
[04:06] <SteveA> carlos: it needs to be re-subscribed
[04:06] <ddaa> mh... probably substandard filesystem...
[04:06] <jordi> salgado: I did merge accounts
[04:06] <ddaa> bah, in a few months all this madness will go away.
[04:06] <jordi> but the one I just merged wasn't used at all in wikis
[04:07] <ddaa> I'm sure we will have another entirely different sort of madness, but not that one...
[04:07] <bradb> heh
[04:09] <salgado> jordi, all accounts in Launchpad have a wikiname for the ubuntu wiki (even the ones people never used). without the wikiname you can't use an account to log into the wiki
[04:09] <jordi> salgado: how can merging my gnu.org address affect this?
[04:11] <salgado> jordi, when you merged your accounts, you end up with two wikinames. the current production code doesn't know how to handle more than one wikiname for a given person. I have a fix for this but it's still in the reviewers queue
[04:12] <jordi> salgado: ok.
[04:13] <jordi> gotta go to the phisiotherapist
[04:16] <ddaa> Duh
[04:16] <ddaa> Lanuchpad auth fucked up
[04:16] <ddaa> when i'm here https://launchpad.net/bazaar
[04:16] <ddaa> I read "not logged in"
[04:16] <ddaa> then I click on the "manage upstream bazaar imports" link to https://launchpad.net/bazaar/series
[04:17] <ddaa> that leads me to the login page, then click login button
[04:17] <ddaa> then... bah, it worked that time
[04:17] <salgado> SteveA, around?
[04:18] <mpt> It was all a figment of your imagination, ddaa
[04:18] <SteveA> salgado: yes
[04:19] <ddaa> mpt, no it was some kind of transient problem...
[04:19] <ddaa> I completely lack imagination, I'm just a hundred monkeys typing randomly at the keyboard, that's why I'm so good at finding obscure bugs.
[04:19] <salgado> SteveA, I have some questions about the permissions we're using
[04:20] <mpt> ddaa, meanwhile, do you have time yet to assign some of those monkeys to fixing the samba/ubuntu-doc SVN import bug?
[04:20] <ddaa> that's in the queue
[04:20] <SteveA> salgado: okay
[04:20] <salgado> SteveA, so, right now, only the launchpad admins and the person itself have the permission launchpad.Edit on that person
[04:21] <ddaa> still busy rewriting importd to use ArchiveLocation, I got really tired of handling stupidly ugly code. So now, I'm taking the time to make it right.
[04:21] <salgado> SteveA, but we shouldn't allow launchpad admins to add ssh keys to any person that are not themselves. in other words, only the person itself should be allowed to add ssh keys
[04:22] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>new build (patch-74)
[04:23] <salgado> SteveA, a similar problem is with team administrators. all team administrators have launchpad.Edit on a team, but they shouldn't be allowed to change the owner of the team. that's something that should be performed only by the team owner
[04:24] <SteveA> salgado: i have some security specs that together address this
[04:24] <SteveA> i'm not going to have them implemented in the veyr near future though
[04:24] <salgado> SteveA, is there something I can do to workaround it?
[04:24] <SteveA> for the ssh key issue, use launchpad.Special for that
[04:24] <SteveA> that fits in with the "roadmap" of secuirity refactoring.
[04:24] <SteveA> you'll need to add the launchpad.Special permission
[04:25] <salgado> fair enough
[04:25] <SteveA> is the team issue causing problems?
[04:25] <SteveA> or, can you see it doing so soon?
[04:25] <salgado> I'm using launchpad.Admin for that right now. so only launchpad admins can change the owner of a team
[04:26] <salgado> the problem is that not even the team owner can do that
[04:26] <SteveA> can you also allow the owner to have launchpad.Admin on a team?
[04:26] <SteveA> Kinnison: ping
[04:27] <Kinnison> SteveA: pong
[04:27] <Kinnison> SteveA: what can I do for you?
[04:27] <salgado> SteveA, I guess I can
[04:27] <SteveA> okay
[04:28] <SteveA> that will fix it for now
[04:50] <ddaa> Anyone know if Jamie Wilkinson is hanging around on IRC?
[04:52] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[trivial]  Add milestone icons (patch-2241<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:56] <ddaa> What is the simple way to say "create a launchpad account" when the user might have to merge accounts?
[05:02] <salgado> ddaa, I don't understand what you mean
[05:02] <ddaa> I'm not very clear about it myself.
[05:02] <ddaa> I have to tell "Jamie Wilkinson" to create a launchpad account
[05:02] <ddaa> but I see there is already an account there by his name
[05:03] <ddaa> I'm not sure whether it's auto-created or something, and whether he may want to create a proper account and merge with it...
[05:03] <ddaa> https://launchpad.net/people/jaq
[05:03] <ddaa> since it's<EMAIL_ADDRESS>it's probably auto-created
[05:04] <ddaa> so he'll probably want to merge accounts
[05:04] <ddaa> Or maybe not, I have no clue of things would work out in such a case.
[05:04] <salgado> you can tell him to reset the account's password and start using that account
[05:05] <ddaa> salgado: how would he do it?
[05:05] <salgado> to reset the password he has to go to the login page and type this email address in the "Forgotten password" form
[05:06] <ddaa> I'm confused
[05:06] <ddaa> Let's play a role game.
[05:06] <ddaa> Consider I'm a lazy clueless user.
[05:06] <salgado> yes, this is a little bit of a hack to allow people to use their auto generated accounts
[05:06] <ddaa> And I want to create a launchpad account to setup a RCS import.
[05:07] <ddaa> What, in the general case do I have to do?
[05:07] <salgado> the WhyTheSmegAmIHere spec will make this kind of things clearer
[05:07] <salgado> in the general case you would create a new account
[05:08] <ddaa> (note: general case include people who have a wiki account but might not realise it's related to launchpad, and people who have auto-created accounts by their name, etc.)
[05:08] <salgado> then later, if you find that we already created an account for you, you would be able to merge them
[05:08] <salgado> but, if you try to create an account using an email address that is already registered, you'll be pointed to the 'forgotten password' form
[05:08] <ddaa> You mean that creating a new account will generally work even in the presence of related auto-created accounts?
[05:09] <ddaa> Mh... okay, I'll just give handwavy "create a launchpad account" directive and see what happens.
[05:09] <salgado> it will if you use different email addresses
[05:38] <jblack> salgado: How does Jamie know that the account already exists?
[05:39] <jblack> Is launchpad smart enough to say "Hey! I know you already. Why don't I help you recover this existing account instead?"
[05:43] <Mez> WANTED: very brave user with Ubuntu hoary who doesnt mind reinstalling
[05:48] <jblack> mez?
[05:49] <Mez> jblack - sorry amsh
[05:50] <ddaa> jblack: I just avoided giving any hint (to save him uneeded confusion). We'll see how that works out in practice.
[05:51] <ddaa> jblack: btw, had a look at my blog, know any place where to register it to attract readers?
[05:51] <jblack> ddaa: I suspect it won't be a problem. Launchpad is supposed to have account merging some day anyways.
[05:51] <ddaa> jblack: considering the number of bugs which are files on account merging nowadays, I'd be inclined to think it already has that already (for the most part).
[06:00] <SteveA> jblack, ddaa: can we have a baz team meeting on #canonical-meeting ?
[06:06] <elmo> does "Bug ID or Keywords" search titles in malone?
[06:14] <bradb> elmo: yup
[06:25] <elmo> tnx
[06:31] <salgado> jblack, Launchpad is dumb enough to only tell that it already knows you if you try to register with an email address that's already registered
[06:31] <SteveA> i guess we could do like orkut does, and ask for a list of your email addresses
[06:31] <SteveA> and use those to see if any are already registered
[06:34] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>new build (patch-75)
[06:35] <dilys> Merge to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>ARCH_LOG variable back in commit, import and tag hooks (but ARCH_LOG now points to a temporary file) (patch-61<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:55] <elmo> gar - what's the easiest way to rebuild the binary parts of a launchpad tree?
[06:56] <SteveA> 'make' from the root of a full launchpad config checkout
[07:00] <elmo> thanks
[07:22] <elmo> baz status in the launchpad tree takes 8 minutes; do I need some magic sand or something to get it to be performant?
[07:22] <carlos> SteveA, salgado I need a fast review for a critical bug that should be cherrypicked as soon as possible, the patch is not too long (it is, but just because some comments movements, the code changes are small). Do you have sometime now?
[07:22] <carlos> elmo, use cache revisions
[07:22] <carlos> elmo, if you are using them already, next time will be faster
[07:23] <carlos> elmo, unless you have less than 512 - 768 MB of RAM
[07:23] <elmo> carlos: just 'baz cacherev' ?
[07:23] <elmo> I have .5Gb
[07:23] <elmo> if that's not sufficent...
[07:23] <carlos> elmo, if you have firefox open or evolution... that would be the problem
[07:24] <carlos> elmo, look at the amount of swap used
[07:24] <elmo> it's not swapping
[07:24] <carlos> then it's the cache thing
[07:24] <elmo> baz is ""only"" using 150Mb for 'status' or 'diff'
[07:24] <carlos> let me look at the faq, I don't remember the exact command
[07:25] <SteveA> carlos: what is the branch?
[07:25] <SteveA> carlos:  i can do it right now
[07:25] <carlos> elmo, https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/RocketFuelSetup Look for the "You want a Revision Library" entry
[07:25] <carlos> SteveA, https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileA5LQg1.html
[07:26] <carlos> SteveA, I don't have it committed as I want to use my trivial branch for it and I want to be sure it will be approved soon so I don't block that branch
[07:26] <ddaa> elmo: "baz diff --link" if you have a revlib that will hardlink your tree to the revlib
[07:26] <carlos> SteveA, if you are looking into it now, I will do the commit
[07:26] <ddaa> after that, diff will take about 10s and only a reasonable amount of cache memory
[07:27] <ddaa> elmo: the launchpad tree has grown to the size where non-hardlinked trees have catastrophic performance, because they no longer fit in the disk cache.
[07:28] <ddaa> hardlinking helps avoid full-text comparisons
[07:30] <SteveA> you have plural_form and pluralforms.  be consistent.
[07:32] <SteveA> carlos: why did you remove makeSubmission() from lib/canonical/launchpad/interfaces/pomsgset.py ?
[07:40] <SteveA> carlos: i need to go out.  the code looks good, with those two points.  1. you have an inconsistency between the local variable plural_form and the attribute name pluralforms.  it looks odd when used in the same block of code.  2. i don't understand why the operation makeSubmission() is removed from interfaces/pomsgset.py
[07:43] <carlos> SteveA, it was removed because we are not supposed to use it anymore from the Interface
[07:43] <SteveA> then it should have an _ in front of the name
[07:43] <carlos> SteveA, about the plural_form vs. pluralforms... I was following PEP-8
[07:43] <carlos> SteveA, ok
[07:43] <SteveA> that doesn't look pep-8ly to me
[07:44] <carlos> SteveA, local variables as foo_bar isn't pep-8?
[07:44] <SteveA> is "pluralforms" one word or two?
[07:44] <SteveA> if it is one, then its singular is "pluralform"
[07:44] <jblack> stevea: You catch that?
[07:45] <SteveA> if it is two, then, it should be pluralForms or plural_forms, and the singular is plural_form
[07:45] <SteveA> jblack: what?
[07:45] <carlos> SteveA, plural forms, two words
[07:45] <jblack> That jdub and I are meeting on or after the 15th, due to traveling (location, time and otherwise)
[07:46] <SteveA> okay, cool
[07:47] <SteveA> carlos: then, the method name (or whatever it is) is wrong
[07:47] <SteveA> but, you should be consistent with it.
[07:48] <carlos> SteveA, when will be done the migration to PEP-8 for all db fields?
[07:48] <SteveA> i don't know
[07:48] <SteveA> i'm going out.  back later.
[07:49] <carlos> ok
[07:49] <carlos> SteveA, thanks
[08:12] <bradb> wooo! bag finally made it home! i've finally got my BIKINI!
[08:22] <Kinnison> ciao dudes
[08:22] <Kinnison> bradb: so long as you don't go exposing yourself to men up mountains
[08:22] <bradb> i missed my chance for a waxing
[08:22] <Kinnison> heh
[08:22] <Kinnison> ciao
[08:22] <bradb> later
[10:31] <mpt> FAILED (failures=65, errors=30)
[10:31] <mpt> woohoo
[10:33] <salgado> ddaa, would you share your super powers with me, so I don't need to bother you all the time?
[10:35] <salgado> it'd be great if I still had access to the production database. I'm pretty sure the problem mdz raised is related to people doing evil stuff manually in the db
[10:38] <ddaa> salgado: I think that would be abusing the powers that were imparted to me.
[10:39] <ddaa> I think you should ask somebody like in charge about getting a privs upgrade.
[10:40] <salgado> ddaa, just to make sure, you don't have access to the production database, do you?
[10:43] <salgado> is there anybody with access to the production or staging database here? I need to run a query to see if the teamparticipation is correctly populated for a given team
[10:46] <salgado> elmo, can you do that for me? ^^
[10:54] <ddaa> salgado: I have access to prod
[10:54] <ddaa> through the importd user
[10:55] <bradb> Is there a way in Python code to do the equivalent of the required:launchpad.Edit stuff?
[10:56] <bradb> Actually, n/m, I'm going to solve this in a different way
[11:10] <mpt> bradb: what are you working on?
[11:10] <bradb> finishing up release targeting.
[11:30] <bradb> "Applying 70 revisions ...." :/
[11:31] <mpt> only 70?
[11:33] <jordi> carlos: ping


[15:37] <Kilos> afternoon guys
[15:37] <Kilos> lo superfly
[15:41] <superfly> hi Kilos
[15:41] <superfly> how are you today, oom Kilos?
[15:42] <Kilos> ok ty superfly and you guys?
[15:45] <Kilos> in one hour and 15 mins its exactly 26 years since Debs and I met
[15:47] <superfly> Kilos: we're doing OK thanks
[15:47] <Kilos> good
[19:13] <inetpro> good evening everyone
[19:13] <inetpro> ... and Kilos
[19:13] <Kilos> hiya inetpro
[19:14] <inetpro> Kilos: Happy Anniversary!
[19:14] <Kilos> ty very much my friend
[19:14] <Kilos> lets hope things sort themselves out this year
[19:15] <inetpro> next year
[19:15] <Kilos> ha ha oh ya
[19:15] <inetpro> :-)
[19:16] <inetpro> Kilos: I see you're already in the new year though
[19:16] <Kilos> tell me something. what are peeps gonna do with old pc's that cant take unity and whatever comes from now on
[19:16] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[19:16] <Kilos> ya debs wished me at our 3pm
[19:17] <Kilos> they 9 hours ahead again
[19:17] <inetpro> Kilos: throw them away
[19:17] <Kilos> the pc's??
[19:17] <inetpro> yep
[19:17] <Kilos> oh my
[19:17] <inetpro> or make servers out of them
[19:18] <Kilos> that is gonna lose lotsa ubuntu people
[19:18] <inetpro> the new technology eventually takes over
[19:18] <Kilos> nee man
[19:19] <Kilos> lotsa peeps will keep using xp
[19:19] <Kilos> so we should have one release for old pc's
[19:19] <inetpro> Kilos: a modern cellphone has more stuff builtin than the 1st computer that went to the moon
[19:19] <Kilos> win7 also cries for modern pc's
[19:20] <inetpro> Kilos: there are many distros out there that focus on running stuffs on old tech
[19:20] <Kilos> there are too many people world wide that are pensioners or for other reasons will never be able to afford a mod pc
[19:21] <inetpro> ubuntu is up front in terms of trying out new ideas
[19:22] <Kilos> if i keep this pc on maverick and i get to stay overseas some time does that mean my sis is gonna have to go to xp?
[19:22] <inetpro> eish, I hope not
[19:22] <Kilos> she wont be able to work with another distro if i not here to help her
[19:22] <inetpro> XP is dood
[19:23] <Kilos> there are many businesses still using xp
[19:23] <inetpro> Kilos: ubuntu will also keep running
[19:23] <Kilos> ian has many probs trying to get them to go win 7 because of thier security software
[19:23] <Kilos> thats what i want to know
[19:24] <Kilos> will mavreick die if there is no more support
[19:24] <Kilos> maverick
[19:24] <inetpro> the only problem is that you won't get updates for to long
[19:24] <Kilos> or can sis use it for next 10 years
[19:25] <inetpro> who knows what the future holds
[19:25] <Kilos> if it has ufw and the virus goodie will it not be safe for years to come
[19:26] <Kilos> clamtk
[19:26] <inetpro> Kilos: maybe you become rich and sponsor her a new plug and play thingy in a year or two
[19:26] <Kilos> or something like that
[19:26] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[19:27] <Kilos> i am sure if one isnt personally hacked then maverick will work for  years
[19:28] <inetpro> Kilos: all depends on what the pc is used for and what apps are installed
[19:28] <Kilos> it will be for mail and pidgin
[19:28] <inetpro> and then how it is managed or mismanaged
[19:28] <Kilos> mxit and msn
[19:29] <inetpro> Kilos: 10 years is a very long time in computers
[19:30] <Kilos> this one is already 10 years old
[19:30] <inetpro> though they go by very quickly these days
[19:30] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:32] <Kilos> oh well if it crashes she can always mxit to me on her cellphone
[19:33] <inetpro> you see, it will even get easier as time goes
[19:33] <inetpro> the world is becoming a very small place
[19:33] <Kilos> or if i get a better graphics card then i will go unity here
[19:33] <Kilos> yeah but texting on a fone sucks
[19:34] <Kilos> i dunno how the kids manage
[19:34] <Kilos> maybe i been spoiled here
[19:34] <inetpro> easy, they don't have our baggage
[19:35] <Kilos> but who knows. if them visa fools give me a visa something else will stop me staying there for more than 3 months
[19:35] <inetpro> they just plug it in and it works
[19:35] <Kilos> lol
[19:36] <inetpro> and if it aint working they play around until it does
[19:36] <inetpro> they figure it out much faster than you and me
[19:37] <Kilos> yeah if you need help with a cellphone ask a kid
[19:37] <inetpro> actually quite amazing how it works
[19:38] <inetpro> sometimes I wish I was a kid so I can just do things without worrying about it
[19:38] <Kilos> lol
[19:38] <inetpro> would perhaps get more things done
[19:38] <inetpro> so much stuffs that is left undone
[19:39] <Kilos> yip
[19:40] <Kilos> ok if you setup a pc as a server can you install pidgin on it
[19:40] <Kilos> or will you need all the graphics stuff
[19:40] <inetpro> no man, don't do that
[19:40] <inetpro> pidgin is a client desktop thingy
[19:41] <inetpro> the server side of pidgin would be to host your own xmpp server service or some such and let peeps connect to it
[19:42] <Kilos> but how will you see whats happening without a desktop?
[19:43] <Kilos> have you heard from vodacom yet inetpro
[19:43] <inetpro> hmm... yes
[19:43] <inetpro> but not solved yet
[19:43] <inetpro> they called me again and wished me a happy new year
[19:44] <inetpro> say they are working on my problem in my area
[19:44] <inetpro> no timelines given
[19:45] <Kilos> well at least thats something
[19:46] <Kilos> they have also started building a new tower about 5 ks from here that will be voda only not a shared tower
[19:46] <Kilos> but this one is fixed too
[19:46] <inetpro> and it seems I can't do anything about premium rated sms messages billed on my invoice but not sent from my device
[19:47] <Kilos> whew
[19:47] <inetpro> got about R900 worth of SMS messages billed on my latest account
[19:47] <inetpro> definitely not sent from my device
[19:47] <Kilos> get a new sim
[19:48] <Kilos> thats a lot of money to throw away
[19:48] <Kilos> someone piggy backing your account
[19:49] <Kilos> thats like 500 smses
[19:49] <inetpro> just not sure why
[19:49] <inetpro> and how
[19:49] <inetpro> no
[19:49] <inetpro> R26 per SMS
[19:49] <Kilos> mmses
[19:49] <inetpro> no
[19:50] <inetpro> premium rated sms
[19:50] <inetpro> some funny short code
[19:50] <Kilos> what kinda smses are they
[19:50] <inetpro> they investigated and have sent me the details of codes sent each time
[19:51] <Kilos> havent voda got any of them you can get to see where from or where too
[19:51] <Kilos> is it all in code?
[19:51] <Kilos> no man buy a new sim card
[19:52] <inetpro> my number is now blacklisted for this service
[19:53] <inetpro> on contract
[19:53] <Kilos> eina dis baie lelik
[19:53] <inetpro> I hate mobile contracts
[19:53] <Kilos> yeah pay as you go better
[19:55] <inetpro> my wish for 2012 is that mobile companies would stop raping the public and scale down to one single rate for everyone, the more you use the more you pay.
[19:55] <Kilos> yeah
[19:56] <Kilos> so now what can you still do with that contract?
[19:57] <Kilos> ask them if you can change sim cards and transfer
[19:59] <Kilos> i am sure they can make a plan as long as you stay with them
[20:01] <inetpro> well I have changed the plan and my costs will hopefully come down significantly
[20:01] <Kilos> i hope so for your sake. thats a shocker
[20:04] <Kilos> but i be dom i know but what is a premium sms
[20:04] <Kilos> one to the moon or what
[20:04] <Kilos> a sms to aus is R1.85
[20:05] <Kilos> or is it sending to multiple contacts
[20:06] <Kilos> they must have it all on record
[20:10] <inetpro> Kilos: nee slaan my ddo
[20:10] <inetpro> dood*
[20:11] <inetpro> ek weet nie wat gestuur is nie en hoekom nie
[20:11] <inetpro> I have asked them to investigate further
[20:11] <Kilos> Maaz, google what is a premium sms in south africa on vodacom
[20:11] <Maaz> Kilos: "Premium Rate SMS (Shortcodes) | BULKSMS South Africa" http://bulksms.2way.co.za/w/solutions_psms.htm :: "mBILL :: Coverage :: SMS :: Premium :: Africa :: South Africa" http://www.m-bill.com/coverage/sms/premium/africa/southafrica :: "Always Active Technologies :: Send SMS | Bulk SMS | Email to SMS ..." http://www.aat.co.za/ :: "WASP aggregator list - WASP - Vodacom" http://wasps.vodacom.co.za/wasp/landing/Aggregatorlist.aspx?URLId=1
[20:13] <Kilos> most likely adds or something to many many people at once
[20:21] <inetpro> Kilos: ek dink dit moet iets wees soos die advertensies met kodes wat jy stuur vir 'n screensaver en dergelikke goed
[20:22] <inetpro> almal in my familie weet dat daai goed geld kos en daar is geen behoefte om enige van daai goed te stuur
[20:24] <Kilos> kry hulle ceo op iwitter en kerm by hom inetpro
[20:24] <Kilos> twitter
[20:24] <Kilos> het jy nog sy info?
[20:25] <inetpro> Kilos: yep, maar ek ek sal maar eers kans gee voor ek dit gebruik
[20:25] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:25] <inetpro> desember en begin januarie is almal mos nog op holiday
[20:26] <Kilos> of gaan na n voda winkle of even hulle hoofkantoor en se jy wil self op hulle pc's sien waar is dit heen
[20:26] <Kilos> vergeet hulle holiday man
[20:26] <Kilos> ek wet jou hy is elke dag op twitter
[20:52] <inetpro> Kilos: voorspoed vir die nuwe jaar!
[20:52] <inetpro> ek gaan nou afteken
[20:52] <inetpro> moeg nou
[20:52] <Kilos> selle daar dankie boetie
[22:01] <Kilos> FP
[22:01] <Kilos> Happy new year everyone
[22:02] <Kilos> sleep tight


[01:49] <lamont> moof
[02:12] <zul> hey lamont how goes it?
[02:13] <lamont> pretty well.
[02:14] <zul> good
[04:57] <zul> hmmm....er...no...https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10093
[05:31] <zul> dilinger: are you awake?
[06:42] <lamont> gnight all
[03:18] <infinity> fabbione : If you point jade at a DTD it can't read (one on an inaccessible network), then refer to elements defined in that DTD, how do you expect it to work?
[03:18] <infinity> fabbione : (that would be bug #10567)
[03:19] <infinity> fabbione : The solution is to include the DTD in the package, and point to the local copy, not to make openjade psychic.