[18:08] <starsailor> glitchd: The last time I asked about wubi here, I was strongly discouraged.
[18:08] <starsailor> vfw: *nod*
[18:08] <starsailor> Sounds like a plan.
[18:09] <vfw> wubi is no lonoger supported
[18:09] <starsailor> Yeah.
[18:09] <starsailor> I was told that.
[18:09] <glitchd> starsailor, well honestly, wubi isnt the best idea but its not necessarily a bad idea
[18:09] <glitchd> starsailor, everyone situation is different
[18:09] <ioria> starsailor, what you had on that laptop ? windows ? did you correctly shutdown  ?
[18:09] <vfw> starsailor: A conventional install is much better.
[18:10] <starsailor> Well, glitchd, I'm already having an unusual problem, so I want to do it as *correctly* as possible to not run into issues. Since it isn't supported, if I have problems I can't come here and ask.
[18:10] <glitchd> starsailor, it seemed as if you were either unwilling or unable to delete a partition if need be
[18:10] <pavlos> from the live cd, you should have gparted to wipe out your disk
[18:10] <starsailor> ioria: Yeah, it has Windows 7 Professional, shut down correctly.
[18:10] <starsailor> pavlos: Right.
[18:10] <glitchd> starsailor, thats ok bud
[18:10] <starsailor> vfw: *nod*
[18:10] <ioria> starsailor, select 'Try ubuntu'
[18:10] <pavlos> you know how to use gparted?
[18:10] <starsailor> ioria: Hang on.
[18:11]  * starsailor shifty eyes.
[18:11]  * starsailor opens Google.
[18:11] <starsailor> ...maybe?
[18:11] <joe___> Hi. Is any simple but shure way to install qtox on ubuntu 16.04??
[18:11] <cannotMakeBlueTo> ZeekHuge: An other BT keyboard was detected and is running on ubuntu mate. Here, the case is of a special mouse, Microsoft Designer Mouse, i've google'd and it is a "low energy mouse", people have problems with the firmware, if it is detected, than it gets lost after some time, and the solution in the net did not work for me. My question is very special, a speculation: In the panel there is a BT sign, looks like ^^ or so (rotated). All the time
[18:11] <cannotMakeBlueTo> i could not see the mouse. But at some point, short after installing gnome BT packages i saw there something like ^^*, where the * was a lock added. I could use the mouse in this time. After an hour, that lock disappeared and the mouse was no longer detected in between. (Many rebooots...)
[18:11] <vfw> starsailor: The "Something else" option should take you to a  screen that allows for manual partitioning.
[18:11] <starsailor> vfw: That is what's curious; in the installer, "Something else" also leads to a grayed-out button.
[18:12] <starsailor> I'll try wiping the HDD first.
[18:12] <starsailor> With the OS loaded in live mode.
[18:12] <glitchd> starsailor, that will without a doubt work
[18:12] <starsailor> I hope so!
[18:12] <vfw> starsailor: Yes, that should do the trick.
[18:12] <NoImNotNineVolt> cscf: indeed, utc is not in the list. and neither is gmt. it's a list of places, not timezones.
[18:12] <glitchd> starsailor, but you do understand that your deleting windows, right?
[18:13] <starsailor> glitchd: ....uh, yes? You also saw I had "Delete Windows" in the original Installer.
[18:13] <starsailor> I don't want Windows. :-)
[18:13] <NoImNotNineVolt> that's why i'm wary of putting in a location, as i'm not sure what other settings this impacts besides tz
[18:13] <vfw> starsailor: There may also be a problem with the hard drive.  You can use smart tools to see
[18:13] <starsailor> vfw: I checked SMART data before, it seems OK.
[18:13] <starsailor> No errors, reallocated sectors, etc.
[18:13] <vfw> starsailor: Ok, good.
[18:13] <starsailor> Temperature is fine.
[18:13] <NoImNotNineVolt> presumably it will influence what keymap is suggested, etc., but it's not clear what else.
[18:13] <glitchd> it sounds more like either to many primary partitions already, or misconfigured options in the installer
[18:14] <NoImNotNineVolt> the installer is too 'friendly' :\
[18:14] <starsailor> glitchd: Hm, what kind of misconfigured options?
[18:14] <cscf> NoImNotNineVolt, As far as I know, it won't do anything besides change the suggested keymap and Locale.
[18:14] <kappa1> why is this command not working when I execute it inside a script "echo "1" | tee $PATH/fan1_manual
[18:14] <kappa1> "
[18:14] <glitchd> starsailor, like not selecting the root partition
[18:14] <kappa1> fankick.sh: line 5: tee: command not found
[18:14] <NoImNotNineVolt> so i guess i'll choose usa and then adjust my tz to utc after?
[18:15] <NoImNotNineVolt> really hate to be leaking localization information to my system config though
[18:15] <starsailor> glitchd: But where would that option even show? I didn't see any option for something like that.
[18:15] <starsailor> glitchd: That's something I saw for example during a manual install of CentOS 7 I had to do.
[18:15] <lesshaste> I am trying to use plex but I get this error on boot
[18:15] <glitchd> starsailor, sorry i meant mount point
[18:15] <lesshaste> [    4.893199] systemd[1]: [/lib/systemd/system/plexmediaserver.service:11] Invalid escape sequences in line, correcting: "/bin/sh -c 'LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/plexmediaserver /usr/lib/plexmediaserver/Plex\ Media\ Server'"
[18:15] <starsailor> glitchd: Right, right -- I didn't see that anywhere.
[18:15] <lesshaste> has anyone seen this?
[18:15] <starsailor> Up to that point.
[18:16] <glitchd> starsailor, did u see a screen like this? http://i.stack.imgur.com/5JkQX.png
[18:16] <starsailor> glitchd: Nope, nothing like that. That's a partition manager/
[18:16] <starsailor> Didn't see it.
[18:17] <glitchd> starsailor, that should be the screen thats presented when you select the something else option
[18:17] <starsailor> glitchd: But I already said it's grayed out. -_-
[18:17] <starsailor> I told you, I can't access it.
[18:17] <vfw> lesshaste: https://forums.plex.tv/discussion/207877/media-not-found-error-after-update
[18:18] <glitchd> starsailor, can you boot a live session?
[18:18] <starsailor> glitchd: Yep, in it right now. Loading GParted GUI as we speak.
[18:19] <glitchd> starsailor, do you care about any of the data on the hd?
[18:19] <ioria> starsailor, can you open a terminal ?  install pastebinit and sudo parted -l | pastebinit
[18:19] <starsailor> glitchd: not really. ioria: OK, hold on.
[18:19] <pavlos> kappa1, $PATH resolves to many paths which is not the proper way to write 1 to fan_manual
[18:19] <kappa1> ohhhhh right
[18:19] <ioria> starsailor, close the installer
[18:19] <kappa1> pavlos, what would be that proper way?
[18:19] <starsailor> ioria: It is.
[18:20] <pavlos> kappa1, do you know the full path of fan_manual?
[18:20] <effectnet> hello in here
[18:20] <ioria> starsailor, open a terminal
[18:20] <glitchd> starsailor, i would suggest then to just nuke the hd and create new partitions for data and swap and try your install again
[18:21] <joe___> Hi. Is any simple but shure way to install qtox on ubuntu 16.04??
[18:21] <starsailor> ioria: Opened.
[18:21] <ioria> starsailor,  install pastebinit and sudo parted -l | pastebinit
[18:21] <starsailor> ioria: *nod*, OK, hold on.
[18:21] <vfw> glitchd: starsailor Might be easier to just delete all partitions and go from there.
[18:21] <kappa1> pavlos, yes
[18:21] <glitchd> thats what i just said..
[18:22] <pavlos> kappa1, example: touch bob, then echo 1 > tee /home/kappa/bob
[18:22] <pavlos> kappa1, use > not I (redirection not pipe
[18:22] <kappa1> hummm
[18:23] <kappa1> the problem is that I need to issue the sudo command along with tee
[18:23] <kappa1> with ">" I can't do that
[18:23] <EriC^^> kappa1: echo something | sudo tee /path/to/sile
[18:23] <EriC^^> or tee -a to append
[18:23] <kappa1> 2nd question, how can I run something at boot time with sudo rights?
[18:24] <EriC^^> kappa1: make a systemd unit
[18:24] <kappa1> I just have to put my script here: /etc/init.d
[18:24] <kappa1> but it won't run as sudo
[18:24] <EriC^^> that's old sysv
[18:25] <EriC^^> use a systemd unit
[18:26] <vfw> kappa1: Depends on what you want to run.  You might just use a cron job.
[18:26] <kappa1> just run a script 1 time
[18:26] <kappa1> with sudo rights
[18:27] <kappa1> EriC^^, is that the simplest way?
[18:27] <mitya>  а кто-нибудь русский знает ?
[18:27] <vfw> kappa1: One time?  Or one time each session?
[18:27] <kappa1> One time
[18:28] <pavlos> !ru | mitya
[18:29] <mitya> Спасибо
[18:29] <vfw> kappa1: You could use a cron job, and then delete it.  You could use /etc/rc.local and then delete it.... Just what ever is easiest for you.
[18:29] <morgoth> ubuntu is so fucking buggy!
[18:29] <mitya> хотя мне лень
[18:29] <vfw> kappa1: But if you only need to do it one time, why not just manually run it?
[18:29] <kappa1> vfw, but can I run scripts with sudo on rc.local?
[18:30] <kappa1> I mean, one time whever the system boots
[18:30] <vfw> kappa1: No need for sudo on rc.local
[18:30] <vfw> kappa1: Just use full path to script
[18:30] <kappa1> ok
[18:32] <vfw> kappa1: You may need to enable rc.local  sudo systemctl enable rc-local.service
[18:32] <Bartito> t
[18:32] <Bartito> is there any channel for help with ubuntu?
[18:33] <vfw> kappa1: And be sure the  script has executable bit enabled.
[18:33] <vfw> Bartito: You're on it.
[18:33] <Bartito> lol, thanks
[18:34] <Bartito> my drama is.. I get hwid ban for a page web.. and i am looking any app for change my hwid
[18:35] <EriC^> what hwid?
[18:35] <Bartito> i see it for win.. but uncle google doesn't want to help me
[18:35] <EriC^> you mean the headers that has your browser info?
[18:35] <Bartito> idk sure.. i change my address mac but isn't working
[18:35] <vfw> Bartito: What do you mean by hwid?
[18:36] <Bartito> hardware id
[18:36] <EriC^> the mac address is irrelevant to the webpage
[18:36] <vfw> Bartito: Oh ok.  MAC address.
[18:36] <EriC^> Bartito: is it from your isp or the web page?
[18:36] <Bartito> web page
[18:36] <vfw> Bartito: You need to describe more clearly what the problem is.
[18:36] <EriC^> Bartito: what does the web page say?
[18:36] <Bartito> i used vpn.. proxies and nothing is working
[18:37] <EriC^> Bartito: try using tor browser
[18:37] <ikonia> try not using anything
[18:37] <EriC^> the header says usually windows xp or something
[18:37] <vfw> Bartito: ... then I would say it is not your identity that is the problem.
[18:37] <ikonia> try just surfing the internet like most people do
[18:38] <EriC^> ikonia: out of context
[18:38] <EriC^> *you're
[18:38] <Bartito> ikonia seriusly i was looking for 2 days before come here..
[18:38] <ikonia> ahh
[18:38] <ikonia> I'm missing some context,
[18:39] <pavlos> starsailor, is your install working now?
[18:39] <EriC^> Bartito: what does the site say exactly?
[18:39] <Bartito> so i dont have more resources..
[18:39] <Bartito> oh
[18:39] <starsailor> pavlos: I was trying to get what ioria said up and running, but for some reason the WiFi isn't connecting.
[18:39] <Bartito> i didn't want to do spam.. lol
[18:39] <vfw> Bartito: I still do not think we fully understand what you're up against.  Not sure what advise to offer, (other than try another browser).
[18:40] <Bartito> i change the browser
[18:40] <Bartito> *changed and nothing
[18:40] <pavlos> starsailor, you might be able to active wifi within the live CD, see software and updates, additional drivers
[18:41] <pavlos> activate
[18:41] <vfw> Bartito: Without more details on your issue, I'm not sure what we can offer in the way of advise.
[18:41] <starsailor> pavlos: Yeah, I was looking now.
[18:42] <pavlos> starsailor, but the install should proceed w/o network ...
[18:43] <starsailor> pavlos: Well, the install would, but I was specifically trying to run that command successfully.
[18:43] <starsailor> In any case, I would want networking to update it while it installs.
[18:43] <starsailor> :)
[18:43] <pavlos> starsailor, ok, I recall somone asked you to get pastebinit
[18:43] <starsailor> Yes, that is what I was trying to do. It seems to be already installed in the live USB, I just need to get the other command done.
[18:44] <pavlos> starsailor, do you have wired eth nearby?
[18:44] <starsailor> I do. The laptop lacks an RJ45 port.
[18:44] <starsailor> :-)
[18:45] <vfw> starsailor: Eventually, you'll need some way to connect to internet.
[18:45] <starsailor> vfw: Of course.
[18:45] <pavlos> starsailor, try a wifi usb stick if available
[18:45] <genii> Bartito: If a web page is telling you your MAC address it doesn't mean anything unless the web page is on a device like a router or other machine directly connected to you. Web pages out on the internet will only see the MAC address of a machine directly connected to them as well, so usually the last one in the route which goes from your machine to that place where the web page is at.
[18:45] <vfw> haha, yea, it would be like buying a new sports car and not being able to get out of the drive way.
[18:46] <starsailor> pavlos: *nod*
[18:46] <starsailor> vfw: lol. Yes.
[18:46] <Disaster_Area> hey my headphone jack isn't working and I was wondering on the off-chance if it might be a software rather than hardware issue, how could I troubleshoot it and maybe fix it?
[18:48] <Disaster_Area> oh wait nvm it's working now fsr. wasn't working when I tested a minute ago and earlier however
[18:49] <vfw> Disaster_Area: Yea, it may be software related.  Try alsamixer, make sure everything is turned up.  Also try other ports.
[18:49] <tomreyn> if, without changing the software, it suddently started working, then its most likely a broken wire
[18:49] <pavlos>  or dust ...
[18:50] <vfw> or hardware issue.
[18:51] <kappa1> I added the script to rc.local but it does not get executed
[18:52] <kappa1> vfw^
[18:53] <vfw> ls -l /path/to/script  #See that script has executable script enabled.
[18:55] <pavlos> kappa1, so before the exit 0 line, you add echo 42 > /home/kappa/bob, run the script (/etc/rc.local), the contents of bob should be 42
[18:56] <starsailor> Hm, now, OK, this is interesting.
[18:56] <kappa1> ok, just one more thing
[18:56] <starsailor> The SHA1 checksum doesn't coincide with what I see at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/16.04.1/release/SHA1SUMS
[18:56] <kappa1> pavlos, if a command fails, no subsequent commands are executed right?
[18:56] <pavlos> starsailor, bad iso
[18:56] <starsailor> pavlos: Bah.
[18:57] <kappa1> vfw, ok I think the problem is that the first command fails
[18:57] <vfw> ls -l /path/to/script  #See that script has executable *bit* enabled.
[18:57] <pavlos> kappa1, can you pastebin /etc/rc.local ?
[18:57] <vfw> kappa1: Ok, then fix the command.
[18:57] <vfw> pavlos: We probably need the script as well.
[19:01] <elias__> hi!
[19:02] <vfw> lo!
[19:04] <hara> sup
[19:04] <hara> an1 thr
[19:05] <MonkeyDust> ths s th spp chnl
[19:05] <EriC^> i see a career for that person in compression algorithms
[19:05] <glitchd> lol
[19:06] <pavlos> faulty keyb
[19:06] <cscf> English is a highly compressible language. 1.2 bits per char, iirc.
[19:06] <MonkeyDust> ok
[19:06] <MonkeyDust> :)
[19:26] <marsh> I am doing a fdisk-l in command and it is telling me command not found. I am also in root
[19:28] <mbeierl> Does anyone know if Ubuntu preseed can configure two NICs on install, or if the second NIC must be configured after the installation has completed?
[19:28] <th0r> marsh, a space after fdisk
[19:28] <marsh> Oh okay. Thanks.
[19:29] <cannotMakeBlueTo> Hi! Yesterday, i could make this bluetooth (Microsoft Designer) Mouse work on the lenovo L430 Thinkpad work, ubuntu mate running. It was detected and i could move it - after many days of trials - short after installing the gnome bluetooth packages available in synaptic. As it worked i saw on the panel bar that "spider" bluetooth sign with a lock! As this lock disappeared, i could no longer
[19:29] <cannotMakeBlueTo> detect it... Any ideas what happens?!
[19:31] <northw> HI! Any alternative to "pitivi"?
[19:34] <mrrobot_> hi
[19:34] <tomreyn> hello mrrobot
[19:34] <mrrobot_> how r things
[19:35] <mrrobot_> i'm from egypt
[19:36] <tomreyn> !ask | mrrobot_
[19:36] <tomreyn> welcome
[19:36] <mrrobot_> welcome
[19:37] <ben_____> Hello all
[19:37] <tomreyn> hey ben_____
[19:38] <ben_____> How do you turn off joins and leaves?
[19:38] <ben_____> Hid Joins
[19:38] <ben_____> Hide Joins
[19:38] <tomreyn> ben_____: i'm not sure you can do so on the webchat
[19:39] <tomreyn> you couild use a proper irc client, though, most of which offer this.
[19:39] <ben_____> nvm, got it figured out
[19:39] <ben_____> Proper clients :P what a novel idea
[19:39] <glitchd> how do you do it ben_____ ?
[19:39] <CloudBoi> having a weird issue, I just imaged my box and I can access the terminal locally using the root credentials, but when I try to ssh via the local IP, it tells me the password is wrong
[19:40] <ben_____> I'm connecting through freenode, I went up to the top left and selected options and there is a hide joins/leaves/parts option
[19:40] <CloudBoi> and this is happening even on the box itself when I try to run ssh root@localhost
[19:40] <mrrobot_> hi
[19:40] <glitchd> ben_____, what client are you using?
[19:41] <mrrobot_> gnome
[19:41] <ben_____> the Site is webchat dot freenode dot net
[19:41] <glitchd> mrrobot_, elliot does not ask for help in the irc..
[19:41] <glitchd> ben_____, ok, well i guess it doesnt apply to me then
[19:41] <tomreyn> CloudBoi: root login is usually disabled by ssh by default
[19:42] <avi__> hmmm
[19:42] <ben_____> http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/Hide_join_part_messages
[19:42] <CloudBoi> i got it, i just copied my pub key to the authorized keys folder
[19:42] <tomreyn> CloudBoi: i meant to say: root login by ssh is usually disabled by default
[19:42] <ben_____> Check that one out glitchhd
[19:42] <pavlos> CloudBoi, check PermitRootLogin in sshd_config
[19:42] <CloudBoi> thank you tomreyn
[19:42] <tomreyn> welcome
[19:43] <glitchd> ben_____, mmk thx
[19:43] <mrrobot_> i want to chat private
[19:44] <mrrobot_> with any one
[19:44] <ben_____> I got one for you. I'm running a 16.04 vm on a win7 machine through vmware workstation.  I'm using the NAT connection, and when I ping say google, I get that it can detect the host (<IP_ADDRESS>) but no packet transfers :/
[19:44] <glitchd> ben_____, thx that did help
[19:44] <arooni>  how do i pipe whats on the clipboard into a command  on the command line ?
[19:44] <tomreyn> ben_____: that's a matter of forwarding packaget on the host. not an ubuntu issue.
[19:45] <cannotMakeBlueTo> this is ubuntu mate xenial running. In trusty there was a chance to install kscreensaver, i only needed kclock.kss. Now, this package is gone. Where can i get the kclock.kss and how can i make it run (from the command line via kclock.kss& at least) ?!
[19:45] <ben_____> Hmm, I was thinking that might be the case. I'm doing it on  a work computer and it's already forwarding enough stuff aroudn
[19:45] <ben_____> It will work with Win vms and some other linux distro's, but I just can't get the bridge connect to work on 16.04
[19:46] <starsailor> glitchd, ioria, everyone else that helped me -- it seems after redownloading the ISO and making sure the hash was fine, this time the installer proceeded as expected.
[19:46] <starsailor> The corrupt ISO was the cause.
[19:46] <pavlos> starsailor, good news
[19:47] <ioria> starsailor, that's good , cheers


[02:49] <shengchieh> hi, guys. I met a mir exception error when bootup on a arm device. so i try to rebuild mir with ./cross-sompile-chroot.sh but the built library can be lunched functional on arm target. Does any one has the same experience and know how to solve it?
[03:21] <shengchieh> hi, guys. I met a mir exception error when bootup on a arm device. so i try to rebuild mir with ./cross-sompile-chroot.sh but the built library can not be lunched functional on arm target. Does any one has the same experience and know how to solve it?
[03:24] <guest42345> shengchieh, try #ubuntu-mir
[03:25] <shengchieh> thanks, i'll ask it at mir channel
[07:05] <tsdgeos> ogra_: faenil did contact sil2100 already i didn't feel like doing it again
[07:13] <dholbach> good morning
[07:14] <justCarakas> good morning @dholbach
[07:15] <dholbach> hey justCarakas
[07:43] <ogra_> tsdgeos, awesome
[08:33] <faenil> tsdgeos: yeah sil2100 said he'd look into it asap
[08:34] <sil2100> Syncing the xorg packages? Yes, that's on my today's TODO list :)
[08:36] <Kniple> Hey Guys, I've noticed a problem, if you leave the settings screen open on for example Updates, lock your phone, open it again (with passcode) the "back" arrow doesnt work. I have to close the settings "app" to be able to return to the menu. Is this something anyone else has experienced? (Meizu MX4)
[08:38] <faenil> sil2100: awesome thanks :)
[08:39] <ogra_> Kniple, sounds like it would be worth to report on launchpad
[08:39] <Kniple> Yeah, i've been thinking about it.
[08:39] <Kniple> :D
[08:39] <Kniple> Need to test it out more though (currently aint got hte phone on me)
[08:40] <Kniple> I'll run a series of tests when I get home, and file a bug if it seems to be a problem.
[08:54] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Fresh Breath Day! 😃
[09:23] <bq-e5-noob> im looking for a bluetooth headset for my new bq-e5. do u have a recommendation? or does it work with any headset?
[09:27] <popey> bq-e5-noob: in theory any should work
[09:28] <bq-e5-noob> do u use one? if so, wich one?
[09:31] <popey> I do not.
[09:38] <bq-e5-noob> popey: ok
[10:22] <cimi> seb128, you coming to london for a sprint in few weeks?
[10:22] <seb128> cimi, yes
[10:22] <cimi> seb128, ok, my kbd can wait then
[10:22] <cimi> :)
[10:22] <seb128> sure
[10:22] <seb128> morphis is going to be there as well I think
[10:24] <oSoMoN> brendand, hey, I came across https://code.launchpad.net/~canonical-platform-qa/messaging-app/fix_send_button/+merge/267163 and I’m curious about that fix that landed, can you elaborate on this? (FTR we have the same kind of workaround in the browser’s autopilot emulators)
[10:26] <brendand> oSoMoN, i believe a patch was made to autopilot so that it ignores the component version in the name
[10:27] <brendand> oSoMoN, so it should no longer be necessary and will in fact break code that uses that workaround
[10:27] <brendand> oSoMoN, which is unfortunate
[10:28] <Elleo> brendand: are you getting errors like this in your ~/.cache/upstart/maliit-server.log when those system tests are failing? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12012820/
[10:28] <brendand> Elleo, oh - not sure - i'll check
[10:28] <Elleo> brendand: because that's what I'm seeing, which suggests an issue with the unity8 restart as maliit isn't able to connect to unity8 after the first restart
[10:28] <Elleo> well, after the second restart
[10:29] <Elleo> the first one seems to be fine, then after that it seldom connects again
[10:29] <brendand> Elleo, yeah i do - i can do another run and see if it corresponds precisely with the failure occuring
[10:29] <Elleo> brendand: yeah, that'd be good, it's looking pretty likely
[10:30] <brendand> Elleo, can it be fixed?
[10:30] <brendand> Elleo, i know restarting unity8 so much is slightly unusual but it *could* happen in normal usage i guess
[10:31] <Elleo> brendand: I'm not sure why it's happening yet :/ maliit seems to get restarted when unity8 is restarted, which should be enough to let it make a connection
[10:32] <Elleo> brendand: based on what I recall from the upstart scripts maliit shouldn't get started until unity8 reports itself accepting connections
[10:33] <Elleo> brendand: might need to find someone with a bit more unity8/upstart knowledge to poke this as well though, as it's not anything maliit specific, that's the standard error that the qt-ubuntu mir platform integration stuff spits out when it can't connect
[10:33] <brendand> oSoMoN, looks like you use it in close_tab
[10:34] <Elleo> brendand: although interestingly after the tests have finished the keyboard displays under normal usage
[10:34] <brendand> Elleo, afaict it seems to display in the test too
[10:35] <Elleo> brendand: interesting, it didn't display in the tests I just ran
[10:35] <Elleo> brendand: that error might be just from unity8 disappearing then, rather than from the attempt to restart
[10:35] <brendand> Elleo, i could be wrong about that, but i thought i remember the screenshots showing it...
[10:35] <oSoMoN> brendand, yes. Will you submit a patch for webbrowser-app, or do you want me to take care of it?
[10:38] <brendand> oSoMoN, i don't think we use close_tab, so could you?
[10:39] <oSoMoN> brendand, ok
[10:39] <oSoMoN> brendand, do you have a reference to the autopilot commit that fixed this behaviour?
[10:41] <Elleo> brendand: after restarting my phone the keyboard is now showing up in all the tests, so something else odd was happening previously :/
[10:42] <brendand> oSoMoN, i believe it's https://bugs.launchpad.net/autopilot/+bug/1337004
[10:49] <brendand> Elleo, i think i found a smoking gun right before the failure - WARNING: void MIMPluginManagerPrivate::_q_setActiveSubView(const QString&, Maliit::HandlerState) "libubuntu-keyboard-plugin.so" "en" is not enabled
[10:49] <brendand> Elleo, i didn't see the other error though
[10:50] <brendand> Elleo, mmm. actually that might be a red herring - i see it earlier in the log when it worked too...
[10:51] <sil2100> pitti: hey! Do you know when the new libboost1.58 migrates?
[10:52] <pitti> sil2100: presumably in half a year or so :-(
[10:52] <pitti> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/boost1.58.html
[10:52] <pitti> it's entangled with a gazillion g++ transitions
[10:52] <sil2100> :<
[10:52] <ogra_> mpt, whats the difference between "alert" and "alarm" roles ?
[10:53] <ogra_> seems you are saying in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Sound#primary-output that "alert" should always be the default role (if no other one is active)
[10:54]  * ogra_ doesnt like that gcc5 stuff ... i think we should just roll back to gcc 4.9 :P
[10:55] <mpt> ogra_, yes, but I was just writing what ted told me. <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Sound?action=diff&rev2=137&rev1=136>
[10:56] <ogra_> mpt, ah ... we should have a "blame-ted" tag on the wiki ;)
[10:57] <ogra_> i dont mind what the default role is, but it is hard to understand the difference between alarm and alert without further explanation how they are different
[11:04] <sergiusens> ogra_: in your email you mention manta, is it just there or does it really work?
[11:05] <ogra_> sergiusens, no idea, it is there :)
[11:05]  * ogra_ hasnt booted a manta in 1.5 years or so
[11:08] <brendand> Elleo, this time i didn't see the error from the pastebin at all :/
[11:08] <Elleo> brendand: that error's normal
[11:08] <Elleo> brendand: I'm suspecting something more autopilot introspection related
[11:09] <Elleo> brendand: (the active subview error that is)
[11:17] <morphis> seb128: yeah I will be there
[11:19] <sergiusens> ogra_: right, I tried rc-proposed and see a screen blanking issue (I think manta had this issue before as well)
[11:20] <ogra_> sergiusens, yeah, i think davmor2 can tell you about it :)
[11:21] <sergiusens> davmor2: did you recap on manta at all or are you abiding to its neglection even for fun?
[11:23] <sergiusens> ogra_: fwiw, I powered krillin just now and I really prefer the form factor over arale; the only gotcha is the camera IMO
[11:24] <popey> shame it doesn't have more RAM
[11:24] <ogra_> well, my gotcha is the RAM as well :)
[11:24] <ogra_> ha
[11:24] <morphis> sergiusens: and in comparison with vega one on the camera side??
[11:25] <popey> it's almost impossible to share a photo because the phone runs out of RAM when you have app + gallery + content-hub open
[11:25] <ogra_> sergiusens, though it is funny to specifically hear you say that :)
[11:25]  * ogra_ remembers when we first met you had this gigantic samsung phablet as phone :)
[11:25] <morphis> popey: never tried that yet
[11:26] <sergiusens> popey: I have that issue on arale too! It's frustrating not to share a photo of my beer drinking to get other people envious :-P
[11:26] <sergiusens> morphis: I don't have a vegeta
[11:26] <sergiusens> morphis: but I think that phone is also bigger
[11:26] <ogra_> welll, the lowmemorykiller on all our devices is completely unconfigured ...
[11:26] <ogra_> we just run with the defaults the android init.rc files apply on boot
[11:26] <popey> its a serious flaw
[11:27] <sergiusens> ogra_: fix it!
[11:27] <ogra_> and afaik all of the phones use the very same values, regardless of the amount of ram they have
[11:27] <ogra_> sergiusens, i  only started lookking into that last weekend :)
[11:27] <popey> so it's fixed?
[11:27] <sergiusens> ogra_: so one more weekend and it's fixed :-P
[11:27] <ogra_> oh, and the overcommit settings are totally bonkers too
[11:27] <ogra_> i'm still trying out different settings ;)
[11:28] <ogra_> once i find good values i'll popose a fix
[11:28] <morphis> sergiusens: yeah ... that seems to be the compromise
[11:29] <ogra_> the prob is also that lowmemoorykiller kind of applies android standards ...
[11:29] <morphis> really thinking if I should go and buy just the krillin
[11:29] <morphis> regardless of the not-so-good camera module
[11:29] <ogra_> (headless apps, apps that are just empty zygote processes etc ... all that stuff doesnt exist in our setup)
[11:44] <sergiusens> morphis: the other downside for krillin, for me at least, is the radio; we only get edge in the americas (except for brasil and uruguay I think)
[11:45] <morphis> ah
[11:45] <morphis> that should be the problem here in EU :)
[11:50] <davmor2> sergiusens: manta has a weird issue if you leave the screen on for a while it flashing like crazy
[11:54] <sergiusens> davmor2: thanks for confirming, we had this issue before and required fixing in mir, so I guess it's not going to happen soon
[11:54] <davmor2> sergiusens: I think the priorities are else where to be honest
[11:57] <sergiusens> davmor2: when I said 'soon' I was being ironic and really meant never ;-)
[11:58] <davmor2> sergiusens: see now I don't know if you are being ironic or not ;)
[12:09] <sergiusens> davmor2: :-)
[12:10] <sergiusens> davmor2: since I have your attention, what is the stable channel for krillin again?
[12:10] <davmor2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ChannelsToFlash
[12:13] <sergiusens> davmor2: thanks!
[12:14] <davmor2> sergiusens: pleasure
[12:17] <jgdx> greyback, hi, could you take a look at displays api [1] and the display api [2]? [1] http://goo.gl/F3srUl [2] http://goo.gl/PnxGF4
[12:17]  * jgdx couldn't figure out how to use pad.lv to link to specific file
[12:24] <greyback> jgdx: yep, thanks!
[12:32] <jgdx> greyback, not sure what you feel about having to marshall between system settings and mir on resolutions.
[12:36] <Savvy> Hello guys
[12:36] <Savvy> As far as I understood, you don't use git to manage the repos?
[12:36] <ogra_> we use launchpad ...
[12:37] <ogra_> while that provides support for git and bzr, most bits are in bzr
[12:37] <Savvy> I see
[12:37] <Savvy> Is the ubuntu layer built on top of the android layer?
[12:38] <ogra_> no ... they are built separately and the android bits run in a container that ubuntu fires up durin the boot process
[12:39] <Savvy>  I see
[12:39] <Savvy> Last question :b
[12:39] <Savvy> Do I have full access to the hardware when using ubuntu touch?
[12:39] <ogra_> define full access
[12:40] <ogra_> screwdriver and soldering iron ?
[12:40] <ogra_> datasheets ?
[12:41] <jgdx> did you know that capacitors in a dc circuit have infinite resistance?
[12:42] <ogra_> (and if in SW, in which context, app access or tinkering on the cmdline/terminal ?)
[12:42] <ogra_> you need to be a bit more specific with that one :)
[12:42] <Savvy> With full access I mean if I can take phone calls with my WiFi adapter
[12:42] <Savvy> Or toast bread with my bluetooth one
[12:43] <ogra_> if the android driver supports it and if you write an app that can handle it, sure :)
[12:43] <Savvy> Without rescrictions as android non root imposes
[12:44] <Savvy> Exactly ogra
[12:44] <Savvy> No apps
[12:44] <ogra_> you have full sudo access, like on every other ubuntu install :)
[12:44] <Savvy> My QUESTION is
[12:44] <Savvy> Sorry caps, phone
[12:44] <ogra_> (which means there is no "non-root" scenario)
[12:45] <Savvy> Iif the android layer remained the basis for the distro ( I know this makes no sense tech speaking regarding distro meaning) and hence there would still be some restrictions but you already answered no
[12:46] <Savvy> And now you answered it all with no no-sudo scenarios, ok :b tyvm
[12:46] <ogra_> well, the whole set of drivers lives inside the container, you have full access to it and all ...
[12:46] <ogra_> but after all there are binary blob drivers in that android container, to which we dont have the source either
[12:47] <ogra_> (some at least)
[12:48] <ogra_> so you have full root access, can do anything you want outsiude and inside the container but on HW level only within the bounds of what you can do with the binaries
[12:49] <ogra_> (you will not be able to modify the graphics or modem drivers ... )
[12:50] <ogra_> (beyond the knobs they provide already indeed)
[13:25] <greyback> jgdx: hey, the Mir api gives read/notify access to all the Display related data I think you need.
[13:25] <greyback> I don't think we need to duplicate all that via dbus really
[13:25] <greyback> the only thing we need dbus for is to modify the display state
[13:26] <greyback> would you agree?
[13:27] <jgdx> greyback, how would system settings read a given setting on a display exactly?
[13:28] <jgdx> s/exactly/from mir
[13:30] <greyback> jgdx: qtubuntu is a wrapper around mirclient, allowing Qt to work with Mir. Right now it doesn't allow access to mirclient apis directly by apps. QtUbuntu would need modifying allow access to the mir display configuration for system settings
[13:31] <greyback> there is an api called "native interface" which qtubuntu could use to export access to mirclient data, and system settings would use this
[13:32] <jgdx> greyback, I though that was hard/impossible to make secure…
[13:32] <jgdx> either way, if that's possible—great!
[13:33] <greyback> jgdx: this would be for read/notify access
[13:34] <greyback> we'd still need the dbus api to make changes
[13:34] <jgdx> greyback, yup. This means the dbus apply method needs to be expanded slightly.
[13:35] <jgdx> to include scale
[13:41] <greyback> jgdx: "scale" is something mir doesn't have
[13:42] <greyback> I need to see what we can do so
[13:43] <jgdx> greyback, that's why I originally left it out.
[13:43] <jgdx> it could be gsettings
[13:43] <greyback> Yeah
[13:44] <greyback> jgdx: ideally, we'd like to save the scale per physical monitor, no?
[13:44] <greyback> and selected resolution, orientation...
[13:44] <jgdx> greyback, that's what I read from the spec
[13:45] <greyback> jgdx: so that data needs to be stored somehow that unity8 can read it and apply immediately
[13:46] <greyback> jgdx: I'll need a little time to come up with a proposal
[13:46] <greyback> have thinking to do
[13:46] <jgdx> greyback, roger.
[13:48] <jgdx> greyback, want to mention that scaling is probably set on the seat's config, not system wide.
[13:49] <greyback> jgdx: akc
[13:49] <greyback> ack
[14:50] <kenvandine> mandel, have you had any luck figuring out what's up with the fix-network branch?
[17:08] <kenvandine> jgdx, can you fix the merge conflict in your hotspots branch?  https://ci-train.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-landing-046-1-build/45/console
[17:08] <jgdx> kenvandine, i fixed that
[17:09] <jgdx> IIRC
[17:09] <jgdx> kenvandine, are you doing a rebuild?
[17:09] <kenvandine> jgdx, yeah... just now
[17:09] <kenvandine> might be a new conflict
[17:10] <kenvandine> i just landed those autopilot fixes
[17:10] <jgdx> give me a minute
[17:10] <kenvandine> jgdx, with your two branches, i'm seeing intermittent keyboard failures
[17:10] <kenvandine> RuntimeError: Keyboard is not on screen
[17:10] <kenvandine> ubuntu_system_settings.tests.test_wifi.WifiEnabledTestCase.test_connect_to_hidden_network
[17:11] <kenvandine> jgdx, i got that twice
[17:11] <kenvandine> out of 5 runs
[17:11] <kenvandine> i don't think it has anything to do with our tests
[17:11] <jgdx> kenvandine, where?
[17:11] <kenvandine> on my krillin
[17:11] <jgdx> really.. ow
[17:11] <kenvandine> i just landed that silo
[17:12] <kenvandine> i hadn't seen the keyboard error lately
[17:12] <kenvandine> so surprising
[17:17] <jgdx> kenvandine, hm, that was supposed to merge cleanly. Anyway, pushed r1496
[17:17] <kenvandine> no worries
[17:17] <kenvandine> so you haven't seen that keyboard error?
[17:18] <kenvandine> jgdx, must be a race
[17:18] <kenvandine> maybe the keyboard isn't shown in time
[17:19] <jgdx> kenvandine, I haven't run those two branches at the same time.
[17:19] <kenvandine> i doubt it has anything to do with those branches
[17:19] <kenvandine> i think it's just that more tests pass now :)
[17:21] <jgdx> what a fun game
[17:29] <kenvandine> jgdx, it's impressive to see how low the system load is staying during tests now
[17:29] <kenvandine> we were really thrashing it before
[17:30] <jgdx> kenvandine, 90 buses would do that :p
[17:30] <kenvandine> indeed
[17:37] <jgdx> kenvandine, that osk hide feature, that'll work even though the osk has already been hidden, right?
[17:37] <kenvandine> yeah
[17:37] <kenvandine> i think so
[17:39] <kenvandine> jgdx, i've reproduced it by running just the one individual test too
[17:54] <jgdx> kenvandine, that's great.
[18:06] <kenvandine> jgdx, oh my... the storage tests are failing on my krillin because it takes 14 seconds to open the about->storage page
[18:07] <jgdx> kenvandine, doesn't take that long on my device.. 9 secs
[18:07] <jgdx> okay, long though
[18:07] <kenvandine> yeah, it's much faster on my arale
[18:07] <kenvandine> slow as hell still
[18:07] <kenvandine> but really slow on my krillin
[18:08] <jgdx> that's not acceptable no
[18:08] <jgdx> so that's the reason for the failures.. but why does dbus croak?
[18:08] <kenvandine> there's a dbus timeout before it loads :/
[18:08] <kenvandine> i think it's a 10 second timeout
[18:08] <jgdx> ugh.. is what's causing the slowness a dbus sync call?
[18:08] <kenvandine> yeah
[18:09] <kenvandine> i bet that's why we've been seeing some of those failures in about the other day
[18:09] <jgdx> i'd put money on that too
[18:09] <kenvandine> i'm going to file a bug about the slowness
[18:09] <jgdx> thanks
[18:10] <kenvandine> we need to fix that regardless
[18:10] <kenvandine> but probably not trivial
[18:11] <jgdx> maybe it's a regression
[18:11] <kenvandine> i just counted 9 seconds on my mako
[18:11] <kenvandine> maybe
[18:12] <kenvandine> wow, the number of deprecation warnings being logged is crazy
[18:14] <kenvandine> jgdx, i think those deprecations is the problem
[18:14] <kenvandine> 856 of those logged just loading the storage page
[18:15] <kenvandine> and it seemed to wait until it finished logging all those before showing the page
[18:15] <kenvandine> i counted 6 seconds while it was spewing the log
[18:15]  * jgdx chokes on a blueberry
[18:17] <jgdx> not seeing that on desktop using vivid+overlay
[18:25] <kenvandine> jgdx, bingo
[18:25] <jgdx> what'd i win!
[18:25] <jgdx> ?
[18:25] <kenvandine> i updated the storage related stuff to import 1.3 and fixed the deprecations
[18:25] <kenvandine> now takes 7 seconds to load on my krillin
[18:25] <kenvandine> that's down 7 seconds!
[18:25] <kenvandine> this sucks!
[18:26] <jgdx> nice! :) Thankfully our tests elegantly caught that regression :p
[18:26] <kenvandine> we have deprecations all over the place :/
[18:26] <jgdx> what import is that?
[18:35] <kenvandine> Ubuntu.Components and Ubuntu.Components.ListItems
[18:35] <kenvandine> bumped to 1.3
[18:35] <kenvandine> and fixed the UbuntuShape usage
[18:37] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/1_3_deprecations/+merge/267241
[18:37] <kenvandine> jgdx, ^^ that fixes enough to make the tests pass reliably
[18:38] <kenvandine> but we need to do that throughout settings :/
[18:38] <jgdx> kenvandine, ack
[19:18] <kenvandine> jgdx, ok, i have a branch that should update everythign to 1.3 :)
[19:18] <kenvandine> lets hope it works
[19:19] <jgdx> kenvandine, sweet!
[19:19] <kenvandine> at least the about panel works completely and tests pass with it
[19:19] <kenvandine> need to get a build to confirm the rest
[19:20] <jgdx> I just made an autopilot test that goes to hotspots, tries to enable, get prompted that wifi is off, accepts prompt (thus enabling wifi) and asserts that both wifi and hotspot is enabled
[19:20] <jgdx> then made the ui do that
[19:20] <kenvandine> tests driven development!
[19:20] <jgdx> word(s)!
[19:21] <jgdx> kenvandine, 86 imports of 0.1 :S
[19:21] <kenvandine> and some 1.0, 1.1 and 1.2
[19:21] <kenvandine> i updated them all to 1.3
[19:22] <kenvandine> in that 1_3_deprecations branch
[19:22] <kenvandine> and fixed the UbuntuShape deprecations
[19:22] <kenvandine> not sure if there are more
[19:22] <jgdx> need another +1?
[19:22] <kenvandine> we'll see
[19:22] <kenvandine> not yet..
[19:49] <jgdx> kenvandine, I want to push those design changes to my hotspots branch to get debs.
[19:49] <kenvandine> hmm
[19:49] <kenvandine> i'd rather keep that separate
[19:49] <jgdx> but that means that silo 46 is going to become real unstable for a while
[19:50] <jgdx> why?
[19:50] <kenvandine> did you see the chatter in the other channel?
[19:50] <jgdx> nop
[19:50] <kenvandine> pmcgowan suggested we try to land it next week then fix the bugs the week after
[19:50] <jgdx> right
[19:50] <kenvandine> so push it to a new branch that prereqs the old branch
[19:50] <jgdx> oay
[19:50] <kenvandine> so we can land the old UI if needed
[19:50] <jgdx> okay
[19:51] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, we still need to freeze strings
[19:51] <pmcgowan> so UI changes cant muck with those
[19:51] <kenvandine> yeah
[19:52] <kenvandine> i'm not sure we'll be ready to land the redesign in time though
[19:52] <kenvandine> so i don't want to risk that
[19:52] <kenvandine> i'd rather land the existing design for ota6
[19:52] <kenvandine> then the redesign for ota7
[19:52] <kenvandine> or at least have that option
[19:52] <jgdx> I think that's bad.
[19:52] <kenvandine> if the redesign is in good shape like monday
[19:52] <kenvandine> then reconsider
[19:53] <kenvandine> jgdx, i just want to have that option
[19:53] <jgdx> kenvandine, moving the ui is super confusing, don't you think? And two releases are more than one
[19:53] <kenvandine> true
[19:54] <kenvandine> but do we really want to delay landing the feature on that?
[19:54] <kenvandine> jgdx, the redesign isn't really huge
[19:54] <kenvandine> so maybe it'll be ready in time for the freeze :)
[19:54] <jgdx> it's about fixing the other issues as well, right?
[19:54] <kenvandine> yeah
[19:54] <kenvandine> but those aren't really UI issues
[19:55] <kenvandine> if you create a separate MR for it, we can consider both as landing candidates
[19:55] <kenvandine> hopefully shooting for the redesign
[19:55] <jgdx> Sure thing
[19:55] <kenvandine> no extra work this way :)
[19:56] <jgdx> All three indicator bugs are affecting ui :p
[19:56] <kenvandine> but we don't need to change our UI to fix the bugs :p
[19:56] <kenvandine> afaik
[19:57] <jgdx> right! Eeh what bugs? :p
[20:23] <muka> is tethering available yet? 'adb shell android-gadget-service enable rndis'  is not working. I'm running debian thought.
[20:24] <muka> I wrote small script that works but conn. is slow.
[22:52] <Telumehtar> I have just ordered a Meizu MX4 Ubuntu Edition. Anyone here have one?
[22:52] <popey> \o/
[22:52] <popey> yes
[22:52] <Telumehtar> Are you enjoying it?
[22:54] <popey> of course :)
[22:55] <Telumehtar> I just have to wait two weeks for it to arrive, apparently. Assuming it really trashes that long.
[22:55] <Telumehtar> takes. Apologies I am typing on a Nexus 6
[22:57] <Telumehtar> Is there a site with changelog for the OTA updates?
[23:07] <k1l_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes/OTA-5
[23:07] <k1l_> Telumehtar: ^
[23:12] <Telumehtar> Many thanks k1l_. Exploring the wiki now


[03:05] <pitiye> guys pls check this http://pastebin.com/gBUU6Yg3
[07:49] <fdssdg> When i install 15.10 i dont see the installation process. is it removed in this version ?
[07:54] <hateball> fdssdg: It should show. However, 15.10 goes EOL very shortly, so you'd do well to install 16.04 instead
[07:54] <fdssdg> I can see the pictures and news but not the line moving there.
[07:55] <fdssdg> 16.04 is not working on this computer.
[07:59] <fdssdg> Is it something wrong with the installation and i have to start over ? will used 16.04 if it was workiing for me.
[08:03] <fdssdg> I beleve it will works after EOL just no more updates.
[14:42] <Lubuntu2> Will 15.10 still works after EOL ? I guess i can still use it without updates.
[16:13] <n-iCe> hi
[22:18] <lxde_trouble> hello!
[22:18] <lxde_trouble> I'm using Lubuntu 14.04 LTS and I need some help, please
[22:28] <dg87> does lubuntu minimal have the desktop gui?
[22:34] <dg87> what is the difference between minimal and core?
[22:42] <lxde_trouble> I've never used minimal, but you can read this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/384546/lubuntu-13-10-minimal-install-shows-no-desktop
[22:44] <lxde_trouble> I use Lubuntu 14.04 LTS and yesterday all the icons and menu dissapear. I only saw the wallpaper and the cursor
[22:46] <lxde_trouble> I've reinstalled lxde using: sudo apt-get install --reinstall lxde
[22:46] <dg87> i just installed "core" i think, and there is no gui, isn't lubuntu basically LXDE. yet it doesn't seem to have it
[22:46] <dg87> what is the command line to run the gui in lubuntu?
[22:46] <lxde_trouble> startx
[22:47] <dg87> i don't think there is any gui installed on "core" heh
[22:48] <lxde_trouble> then you can install lxde using: sudo apt-get install lxde
[22:49] <dg87> i'm looking for a minimalist version of lubuntu/lxde without apps like torrent/mail/spreadsheets... etc
[22:49] <lxde_trouble> ...after reinstalling lxde I see the login screen but it is different, it is not the same like lubuntu default.
[22:49] <dg87> i think lubuntu is a mod version of lxde
[22:50] <lxde_trouble> ...and my users are not in the login, only usbmux and ntp
[22:50] <Unit193> dg87: You should rather install the core task.
[22:50] <dg87> Unit193, what is the command line
[22:51] <Unit193> You can select it from tasksel, or apt-get install lubuntu-core^
[22:52] <dg87> Unit193, what is the difference between installing lubuntu-core and lxde?
[22:52] <Unit193> A fair bit.
[22:53] <dg87> i just want a usable lxde desktop
[22:53] <Unit193> Also note you are installing 'lubuntu-core^' the task, not 'lubuntu-core' the metapackage.
[22:53] <Unit193> So, install lightdm and lightdm-gtk-greeter then?  Or lxdm.
[23:04] <lxde_trouble> Please I need some help, I can only login using root.
[23:04] <wxl> lxde_trouble: you mean as admin?
[23:04] <lxde_trouble> All my users name have dissapeared from login screen
[23:04] <lxde_trouble> Yes, sudo -s
[23:05] <lxde_trouble> I reinstalled lxde and all the users have gone, only have "usbmux" and "ntp"
[23:05] <lxde_trouble> ...at the login screen
[23:05] <wxl> are all the users you expect in /etc/passwd?
[23:06] <lxde_trouble> Yes, they are
[23:07] <lxde_trouble> I can login from terminal, but not from gui login screen
[23:07] <wxl> looking at any of them, do they have any weird things like a shell set to /bin/false or a home directory that doesn't exist?
[23:08] <lxde_trouble> I can see the home directory of both users
[23:08] <lxde_trouble> ...but they are not in the gui login screen
[23:09] <wxl> and what about the whole /bin/false thing?
[23:10] <lxde_trouble> I can see a /bin but false is an executable file
[23:10] <wxl> i'm talking about /etc/password
[23:10] <wxl> do you see the user's home directory listed as something weird or the shell set as something odfd, like /bin/false?
[23:10] <wxl> for example:
[23:10] <wxl> someuser:x:1000:1000:someuser,,,:/home/someuser:/bin/someshell
[23:11] <lxde_trouble> this are my users in /etc/password
[23:11] <wxl> if /bin/someshell is /bin/false, that's bad
[23:11] <wxl> if /home/someuser is a directory that doesn't exist, that's bad
[23:11] <lxde_trouble> luis:x:1000:1000:luis,,,:/home/luis:/bin/bash
[23:11] <lxde_trouble> sonsoles:x:1001:1001:sonsoles,,,,:/home/sonsoles:/bin/bash
[23:11] <wxl> that all seems reasonable
[23:12] <wxl> there's also a user list in /etc/lightdm/users.conf
[23:12] <wxl> you might check that
[23:16] <lxde_trouble> In /etc/lightdm I only have lightdm-gtk-greeter-ubuntu.conf and lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf
[23:17] <wxl> harumph. not sure what to tell you.
[23:17] <lxde_trouble> I have not users.conf there
[23:18] <lxde_trouble> Maybe that is the problem
[23:18] <wxl> it kind of doesn't help i'm on kubuntu now :)
[23:19] <lxde_trouble> Ok, thank you "wxl"
[23:47] <ianorlin> I really don't know what do for that I have never had any problem of that sort


[13:47] <alfatau> Hi all. I've 2 newly purchased BBBs, where the only apparent difference the package size. Now I've an auto-flasher micro-sd with my customized OS and for the first one the auto-flash process ends like a charm; for the second one (with smaller package) it seem impossible to mount the internal eMMC: this is the error: "g_multi: `' invalid for paramet
[13:47] <alfatau> er `/dev/mmcblk0p1'" . Can you help me?


[14:21] <BLZbubba> are any other humans in this channel, or is there a better place to ask questions


[12:48] <gunny01> is there a way to lock the screen in xubuntu
[12:50] <Kraken> You can give yourself a 'lockscreen' button. right click on the panel and add an 'Action Button'
[01:22] <gunny01> Kraken: thanks
[01:23] <cellofellow> Too late, but to get a New Login button, add a launcher to run gdmflexiserver. Use the Login Window icon. Works great.
[01:32] <bigfuzzyjesus> it is so difficult to get my nvidia card to work
[01:33] <cellofellow> what's up with it?
[01:35] <bigfuzzyjesus> cellofellow, it says that it has insufficient dependincies when i try to install the driver so i am reinstalling everything nvidia related at the moment
[01:36] <Jester45> what where you installing
[01:36] <Jester45> cellofellow: did you go to that link?////////////
[01:36] <bigfuzzyjesus> nvidia drivers
[01:36] <Jester45> you shouldnt have a problem
[01:36] <cellofellow> Jester45: the one where the NYTImes guy reviews vista. Yeah, funny.
[01:36] <Jester45> from my site?
[01:37] <cellofellow> ?? no, I found that on Google Video and downloaded it there.  Google Video has a button for posting to blogs.
[01:41] <Jester45> so...
[01:41] <Jester45> i showed you them,
[02:17] <nosiop> is there a way to force synaptic package manager to download files instead of looking for them on the cdrom?
[02:17] <Commander-Crowe> nosiop, yes
[02:17] <nosiop> Commander-Crowe: ah, and how does one do so?
[02:18] <Commander-Crowe> by editing the source.list which is located in /etc/apt/
[02:18] <nosiop> ok, thank you
[02:20] <somerville32> nosiop, You can also use Applications > System > Software Sources and disable your cd-rom
[02:20] <Commander-Crowe> somerville32, does that work yet? I always was unable to get it to work, or it'll screw stuff up
[02:20] <nosiop> well, I still want all the packages listed
[02:21] <somerville32> Right
[02:21] <cellofellow> just comment out the cdrom:/// stuff in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:21] <nosiop> I just don't want it to try and read them off the CD-ROM
[02:21] <nosiop> ok
[02:21] <somerville32> You just want to disable the cdrom as a source
[02:21] <nosiop> workes like a charm, thanks :)
[02:21] <cellofellow> I enabled DVD just cause I wanted something faster than internet.
[02:22] <Jester45> but... you have to dl the dvd
[02:22] <cellofellow> I got it from a freind who subscribes to Linux magazine
[02:23] <nosiop> internet is much faster than cd/dvd when you have no drive ;)
[02:23] <cellofellow> haha, true true
[02:23] <cellofellow> but when I install from CD, I don't have to wait at all, it installs so freakin fast.
[02:23] <Jester45> faster internet?
[02:24] <cellofellow> I wish
[02:24] <DarthShrine> Afternoon.
[02:24] <Jester45> then i would be set
[02:24] <Jester45> hi
[02:32] <WiZarD-X> i'm attempting to install amarok, but it is not recognizing that i already have mysql-common loaded. can anyone offer any help on this?
[02:33] <Jester45> use sql-lite?
[02:33] <cellofellow> try #kubuntu for kde app support, sorry. :(
[02:33] <WiZarD-X> aight, thanks bud
[03:05] <semi-fly> Hi bur[n] er
[04:13] <Jester45> can i use a 2nd mouse as a shortcut to launch programs?
[04:13] <Jester45> or will it be detected and still act like 1 mouse
[04:20] <kalikiana> it'll act like one mouse
[04:20] <Jester45> darn
[04:20] <kalikiana> although i saw some sort of driver on the net changing that
[04:21] <Jester45> oo
[04:21] <Jester45> 2nd keyboard
[04:21] <kalikiana> but neither know i where it was nor do i believe it worked anyway
[04:21] <Jester45> lots of lauchers
[05:39] <boris55> I'm crying. my brother wiped xubuntu off my other computer and replaced it with anothe xfce distro.
[05:59] <nosiop> :)
[06:30] <cellofellow> How do I install the Murrine GTK Engine?
[06:30] <cellofellow> Nothing in the repositories.
[06:31] <cellofellow> I don't think.
[06:31] <cellofellow> !murrine
[06:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about murrine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:31] <cellofellow> blast
[06:34] <cellofellow> well, google helped.
[08:03] <underpope> Anyone available to offer some assistance?
[08:10] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !anyone
[08:10] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[08:16] <underpope> I suspect that something I installed through apt-get yesterday is making OpenOffice.org suddenly run really slow (five minutes just to launch -- this is brand new behavior as of today).  Is there anything that might have come through the pipe that might be doing this?
[08:20] <underpope> Sorry, that was unclear:  something through apt-get dist-upgrade.
[08:21] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Nothing I've heard of.  Have you tried running 'top' while launching OOo?  You may get an idea of what's slowing it down, that way.
[08:23] <underpope> soffice.bin is consuming about 14% of the memory; xorg about 4.5%.  There are a couple of xfce processes that come in and out.
[08:25] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Is that while it's running, or while it's launching?
[08:26] <underpope> That's while it's runnin.
[08:29] <PuMpErNiCkLe> And is there any particular problem with responsiveness while it's running, or just while it's launching?
[08:32] <underpope> There's painfully slow lag time while OOo is running as well.  Lots of disk activity.  It has taken six minutes (so far) to open a brand new document.  I have already tried purging OOo and reinstalling it.
[08:34] <underpope> Sorry, forgot to mention: this is Edgy.
[08:42] <TheSheep> underpope: java
[08:42] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Does it make much of a difference if Java usage is enabled/disabled?  (Tools -> options -> openoffice.org -> java)
[08:42] <PuMpErNiCkLe> TheSheep++
[08:53] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Hm, Flash 9 has been officially released.
[09:45] <ki> Hi guys!
[09:45] <ki> Hello?
[09:46] <ki> I would like to know some things about xubuntu.
[09:46] <ki> 1. What version of xfce does it run?
[09:47] <ki> 2.  Can it install debs?
[09:47] <ki> 3. What is the *buntu package manager like?
[09:47] <ki> 4. Does it automount?
[09:48] <ki> 5. Does it have an AMD64 edition?
[09:49] <ki> 6. Does it support my hardware? Realtek rtl8187 wifi I believe which would not compile from source, nvidia geforce7900 or something, but nvidia isn't usually a problem with linux.
[09:50] <ki> (I can't check hardware specifically because my dads friend took it to repair the motherboard).
[09:50] <ki> *I mean the drivers would not compile from source, they existed though.
[09:50] <ki> 7. What kernel version does it run?
[09:51] <kalikiana|rejoin> ki: 1. 4.4beta2 (depending on xubuntu's version)
[09:51] <kalikiana|rejoin> ki: 1. yes, doulbe-click in Thunar
[09:51] <ki> oh thats good :) as long as it is above 4.2
[09:51] <kalikiana|rejoin> ki: 3. Synaptic, Aptutude, apt
[09:51] <ki> what? double click in thunar? what?
[09:52] <kalikiana|rejoin> Thunar is the default filemanager and double-clicking on a deb installs it
[09:52] <ki> 3. how many packages do they have and do they auto-resolve dependencies?
[09:52] <ki> oh thats cool! installs it wizard style?
[09:52] <ki> hey, I can still do apt-get in terminal, right? Like how I can do port install in freebsd?
[09:52] <ki> and wizard style like PBI installer?
[09:53] <kalikiana|rejoin> it's a nice dialog telling you e.g. description, dependencies and more
[09:53] <kalikiana|rejoin> apt-get works as well, yes
[09:53] <ki> so it doesn't autoresolve dependencies, but it tells me dependencies at least so I can get them?
[09:53] <kalikiana|rejoin> it tries to get them automatically
[09:53] <ki> sorry I have so many questions.
[09:53] <kalikiana|rejoin> :)
[09:54] <kalikiana|rejoin> 4. Thunar does that I think
[09:54] <kalikiana|rejoin> 5. i believe so
[09:54] <ki> oh good :)
[09:55] <kalikiana|rejoin> 7. Edgy: 2.6.17-10-generic #2 SMP
[09:55] <ki> what is the difference between thunar and xffm? (only just switched to xfce today, long time kde user and lover who wanted to try something new)
[09:55] <ki> Edgy? sounds very debian :).
[09:55] <kalikiana|rejoin> xffm is a whole suite of utilities, Thunar is only a filemanager
[09:56] <ki> 2.6.17? DAMN! That means no vmware workstation. Upgrading the kernel isn't a problem right? Some Linux distros won't do it..
[09:56] <kalikiana|rejoin> Edgy Eft is Xubuntu 6.1
[09:56] <ki> okay :)
[09:56] <ki> Xubuntu sounds very ubuntu just without gnome.
[09:56] <ki> but thats okay, I like the look of gnome but xfce is better.
[09:56] <kalikiana|rejoin> it's still ubuntu of course
[09:57] <kalikiana|rejoin> xfce is more standards and less bloated
[09:57] <kalikiana|rejoin> compiling kernel is possible
[09:57] <ki> hey, is there a way to put shortcuts on desktop with xfce? I find the background sort of...useless.
[09:57] <kalikiana|rejoin> yes
[09:57] <ki> is it easy though? can I just open update manager and bam, or atleast download through a package manager?
[09:58] <kalikiana|rejoin> you meaning kernel compiling? there is a package for that, I'm not sure what exactly is in there
[09:58] <kalikiana|rejoin> didn't do it for some time
[10:01] <ki> okay.
[10:01] <ki> just that vmware hates anything below 2.6.18
[10:02] <ki> anyway, is wifi easy to set up with wep and everything?
[10:03] <ki> oh yeah, does xgl work fine?
[10:04] <ki> and you know how it only includes free as in freedom software? With an update can I get propietry 3d nvidia/ati drivers and mp3 playback, etc?
[10:05] <kalikiana> you can get proprietary packages, e.g. easyubuntu
[10:05] <ki> what is this easyubuntu?
[10:05] <kalikiana> xgl works fine depending on the gfx card, for me (ati9800) it's fine
[10:06] <kalikiana> easyubuntu is one GUI tool which install non-free things
[10:06] <kalikiana> but it's not from canonical directly
[10:06] <ki> what I mean is, is the update manager good? and does it install mp3 playback when you install like suse?
[10:07] <kalikiana> the updatemanager is fine (although i personally use synaptic for about everything)
[10:07] <ki> or you have to get easy ubuntu, search for mp3, dvd, 3d driver and so on then install individually and manually?
[10:07] <ki> what filesystem does it use?
[10:08] <kalikiana> repos do include non-free but easyubuntu helps you set drivers up
[10:08] <kalikiana> filesystem is ext3 by default
[10:08] <ki> nice.
[10:08] <kalikiana> man, don't you get that infos from the web? :P
[10:09] <ki> I can I suppose.
[10:09] <ki> just thought it would be easier if you were willing :)
[10:10] <ki> also manpages  don't answer most questions.
[10:10] <ki> one more thing, can it handle autopackages out of the box?
[10:12] <kalikiana> nope, needs to install autopackage normally
[10:12] <kalikiana> now I gotta go, so maybe see ya later :)
[10:14] <ki> thanks kalikiana!
[10:19] <ki> Yay I'm downloading Xubuntu.
[10:19] <ki> I hope wifi is easy, otherwise sounds nice :).
[10:31] <grazie> Did an apt-get update yesterday and I've lost sound. Any suggestions?
[10:55] <gunny01> i installed xgl/beryl and that worked fine. however, when i went back to my regular xfce desktop, only one of the virtual desktops icons appears in the lower right hand corner of the screen and i can't find a way to get it back. any help?
[10:57] <TheSheep> gunny01: stettings->worksapces settings
[10:57] <gunny01> TheSheep: thnx
[10:57] <Tajmox> how do i take a screenshot?
[10:58] <Tajmox> i dont want the panel icon but thats the only way i can take a screenshot?
[10:59] <TheSheep> Tajmox: you can use one of the commandline tools, and bind it to a keypress
[10:59] <gunny01> Tajmox: you could do it throu x but that is hardish.
[10:59] <gunny01> Tajmox: hold on and I'll consolt a lxf
[11:00] <gunny01> er...scratch that.
[11:01] <gunny01> might be easist just to make a panel icon and delete it afterwards :-D
[11:04] <Tajmox> what command would that be ?
[11:04] <Tajmox> for a screenshot
[11:04] <Tajmox> and where are key bindings in xfce ??  I havent set up my media keys because I cant find it
[11:05] <TheSheep> Tajmox: bindings are in settings->keyboard
[11:05] <Tajmox> oic      different than gnome     im looking for where to set my media buttons   - they work in gnome but not in xfce
[11:08] <TheSheep> Tajmox: not sure about media buttons
[11:09] <TheSheep> Tajmox: I think you need to find some howto on the forums
[11:09] <TheSheep> Tajmox: for the screenshot, there is the 'import' command in ImageMigick, for exmaple
[11:09] <TheSheep> Tajmox: or 'scrap' program
[11:09] <TheSheep> !scrap
[11:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about scrap - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:09] <TheSheep> !screenshot
[11:09] <ubotu> Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr]  button or the File -> Acquire menu in the GIMP.
[11:10] <TheSheep> :\
[11:10] <TheSheep> that's for gnome
[11:11] <Tajmox> no biggie i'll just use F2 and gnome-screenshot
[02:17] <TuxCrafter> hello
[04:15] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: I just can't get Feisty to run
[04:32] <gabkdlly> hyper_ch: I can't get Feisty to run either
[04:32] <gabkdlly> It hangs after trying to mount swap and fsck
[04:35] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: nope, grub just has problems selecting the right partitions and I don't know how to change that
[04:45] <gabkdlly> hyper_ch: do you have multiple xubuntu installs on the same machine?
[04:47] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: yes
[04:47] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: I also tried getting it installed into hda5
[04:47] <hyper_ch> where the current root is
[04:51] <gabkdlly> did you mean to overwrite what was in hda5 before? or do you mean that you wanted to make hda5 the boot partition?
[04:51] <gabkdlly> was hda5 your boot partition before?
[04:53] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: hda5 is the root of edgy
[04:54] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: I tried to install from a alternate cd feisty herd2 there
[04:54] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: I selected the data in hda5 to be formatted
[04:54] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: however after restart, grub had problems finding the right stuff
[04:54] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: then I shrinked my backup harddisk
[04:54] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: setup a new 30gb partition there
[04:54] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: of course I first installed edgy again in hda5
[04:55] <hyper_ch> the 30gb partition there is /dev/sda5
[04:55] <gabkdlly> on my system, mount tells me that hdc5 is for swap, and hdc1 is root, which I guess tells my by process of illimination that hdc2 must be the boot partition
[04:55] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: I installed feisty there... same result... upon booting grub couldn't do anything
[04:55] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: so I used the edgy cd again booted into recovery mode and isntalled grub again
[04:55] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: now I can at least boot into edgy again
[04:57] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: I did now alter the grub menu.lst :   http://phpfi.com/194776   --> not sure if that works
[04:59] <gabkdlly> so, I guess you are booting from two different hard drives, eh?
[04:59] <gabkdlly> doesn't Grub start counting partitions at zero?
[05:00] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: I have 4 harddrives
[05:00] <hyper_ch> 3x IDE
[05:00] <hyper_ch> 1x SATA
[05:00] <hyper_ch> and it just totally mixes that all up
[05:01] <gabkdlly> To me, it looks like your Feisty menu entries refer to a fifth hard drive =-O
[05:02] <gabkdlly> a sixth partition on the fifth hard drive, to be exact
[05:03] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: well, I also have a dvd-rw attached to one of the ide cables
[05:03] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:03] <hyper_ch> hence it should be drive 5... shouldn't it?
[05:05] <hyper_ch> !uuid
[05:05] <ubotu> To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in the terminal: "blkid" (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[05:19] <gabkdlly> hyper_ch: if you are talking about hda5 (as seen in /dev/ ) wouldn't that correspond to (hd0,4) in Grub terminology?
[05:20] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: it's sda5 :)
[05:20] <hyper_ch> anyway, in #ubuntu+1 I was told to use UUIDs in grub :)
[05:20] <hyper_ch> it looks now like that:   http://phpfi.com/194779
[05:21] <gabkdlly> you are now installing Feisty into what used to be your Windows partition?
[05:22] <hyper_ch> no, windows is hda1
[05:23] <gabkdlly> I have to admit, it is a bit over my head :(
[05:23] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: 4 harddisks
[05:23] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: 60GB
[05:23] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: 120 GB
[05:23] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: 160 GB
[05:23] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: 320 GB
[05:23] <hyper_ch> the 120 ons is hda1
[05:24] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: the 160 is hdd1
[05:24] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: the 120 is hdc1
[05:24] <hyper_ch> and the 320gb is now sda1+5
[05:24] <hyper_ch> the 120gb disk contains a 30 GB partiton for windows, a 3gb swap, a 15 gb edgy and the rest is /home
[05:27] <gabkdlly> hyper_ch: which is your boot partition?
[05:29] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: for what sys?
[05:31] <gabkdlly> hyper_ch: when you partitioned your drives, didn't you designate one (exactly one) of them to be the boot partition?
[05:31] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: I did
[05:31] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: /dev/sda5
[05:32] <hyper_ch> I'll try now with my altered grub menu
[05:32] <gabkdlly> you did: grub-install /dev/sda5 ?
[05:35] <hyper_ch> that didn't work
[05:38] <somerville32> hyper_ch, What are you trying to do?
[05:41] <hyper_ch> somerville32: trying to get feisty to run
[05:42] <somerville32> How are you trying to get it to work?
[05:42] <hyper_ch> somerville32: I tried an upgrade from edgy
[05:42] <hyper_ch> somerville32: after reboob grub didn't recognize the correct partitions
[05:42] <hyper_ch> somerville32: then I tried to install it from the alternate cd
[05:42] <hyper_ch> somerville32: same result after reboot
[05:42] <hyper_ch> somerville32: then I treid to install it into an own partition
[05:43] <hyper_ch> somerville32: same results as before
[05:43] <hyper_ch> somerville32: now I tried to create manual grub entries --> but it won't work either [as I don't know what I need to do there]
[05:44] <somerville32> Do you have a separate partition for /boot ?
[05:44] <hyper_ch> somerville32: nope
[05:46] <somerville32> How did it not recognize the correct partitions? What error did you get?
[05:47] <hyper_ch> somerville32: I don't remember the exact error message
[05:47] <hyper_ch> it just told it can't find the partition
[05:48] <somerville32> Are you on the live cd or something now?
[05:49] <hyper_ch> no
[05:49] <hyper_ch> put in edgy alternate cd
[05:49] <hyper_ch> reinstalled grub
[05:49] <somerville32> So are you running Feisty now?
[05:50] <hyper_ch> no, edgy
[05:51] <somerville32> ok
[05:51] <somerville32> Are you interested in trying to upgrade to Feisty again?
[05:51] <hyper_ch> feisty is installed
[05:52] <hyper_ch> but I can't get grub to start it
[05:52] <somerville32> So, grub offers you the option to boot into Edgy or Feisty?
[05:52] <hyper_ch> no it doesn't
[05:52] <hyper_ch> just offers now edgy
[05:53] <hyper_ch> after I have reinstlled grub from the edgy alternate cd
[05:53] <hyper_ch> I tried to add an entry for feisty but that doesn't work either
[05:55] <somerville32> Please pastebin /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:56] <hyper_ch> somerville32: http://phpfi.com/194787
[05:58] <somerville32> It appears Feisty is listed there
[05:58] <hyper_ch> because I added it manually but that doesn't work
[06:00] <somerville32> run update-grub
[06:01] <hyper_ch> somerville32: nothing has changed
[06:02] <somerville32> Most interesting
[06:04] <hyper_ch> :(
[06:07] <hyper_ch> somerville32: most annoying
[06:09] <somerville32> What partition is Feisty installed to?
[06:10] <hyper_ch> --> /dev/sda5
[06:12] <somerville32> The reason your Feisty boot thinger isn't working is because it is pointing to the same partition as Windows is
[06:12] <somerville32> So I assume one is wrong
[06:12] <hyper_ch> oh... hmm... so what do I have to enter then?
[06:13] <somerville32> The correct partition :P
[06:13] <somerville32> You only have one hard drive?
[06:16] <decaelo> What's happenin?
[06:17] <decaelo> Snow day?
[06:20] <somerville32> Welcome back hyper_ch
[06:21] <hyper_ch> somerville32: I have 4 harddisks
[06:21] <hyper_ch> somerville32: for some reasons sometimes my wifi just fails
[06:23] <hyper_ch> somerville32: I have the UUID set... so what's the problem?
[06:24] <somerville32> You set the root to the same as windows
[06:24] <somerville32> Which mean it'll look there to find the kernel
[06:26] <hyper_ch> somerville32: so what do I have to set there?
[06:26] <somerville32> You would set it to point to the hard drive and partition you have Feisty installed to
[06:27] <hyper_ch> how?
[06:28] <somerville32> By modifying /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:28] <hyper_ch> and what to?
[06:29] <somerville32> How would I know? :S
[06:29] <somerville32> It depends on what hard drive and partition you have it installed to
[06:29] <hyper_ch> you tell me I use the wrong thing
[06:30] <hyper_ch> but I have added the UUID
[06:30] <hyper_ch> so what's the problem?
[06:30] <somerville32> The argument you passed to the kernel?
[06:30] <somerville32> That'll set the root partition, yes.
[06:30] <somerville32> But first grub needs to find the kernel
[06:30] <somerville32> and you tell grub it is located on hd0, partition 0
[06:30] <somerville32> Which is the same as Window's (according to your menu.lst)
[06:31] <hyper_ch> ok, so what do I have to change that to then?
[06:31] <somerville32> It depends on what you have Feisty installed to
[06:31] <hyper_ch> can I use also the UUID there?
[06:31] <somerville32> No
[06:31] <hyper_ch> well, feisty is on sda5
[06:32] <hyper_ch> so what do I have to enter there?
[06:35] <somerville32> Can you list all your partitions?
[06:35] <hyper_ch> yes
[06:35] <gabkdlly> hyper_ch: could you try replacing root (hd0,0) with root (sd0,4), but only under the feisty entry, and see if that works?
[06:36] <hyper_ch> ok,t rying
[06:36] <grazie> I picked up a load of updates for my ppc machine yesterday, but none for x86 machine
[06:36] <grazie> anyone know why that could be?
[06:40] <hyper_ch> error parsing number
[06:45] <somerville32> grazie: I think there is a cron job that automatically apt-get updates
[06:45] <gabkdlly> hyper_ch: sudo grub
[06:45] <somerville32> Your x86 machine just might not be aware of the updates yet
[06:46] <gabkdlly> hyper_ch: then "root ( <tab>" and let us know what that outputs
[06:46] <hyper_ch> grub> root
[06:46] <hyper_ch>  Possible commands are: root rootnoverify
[06:47] <gabkdlly> hyper_ch: root, then a space, then ( , and then hit the tab key
[06:47] <hyper_ch> grub> root (hd
[06:47] <hyper_ch>  Possible disks are:  hd0 hd1 hd2 hd3
[06:48] <gabkdlly> hyper_ch: also, putting the UUIDs in there seems strange to me, for the time being I would change them back to root=/dev/sda5 or whatever device you end up putting feisty on
[06:48] <hyper_ch> I think it might be hd3,4
[06:48] <gabkdlly> hyper_ch: that means that grub is not seeing your sda drive
[06:49] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: I have only 4 harddisks
[06:49] <hyper_ch> and 4 are being displayed
[06:49] <hyper_ch> or is the dvd-rw also being displayed?
[06:49] <gabkdlly> no, shouldn't be
[06:50] <gabkdlly> for some reason I was thinking that you had a SATA drive additionally. my bad
[06:50] <hyper_ch> gabkdlly: that's true
[06:50] <hyper_ch> 3x IDE
[06:50] <hyper_ch> 1x SATA
[06:50] <gabkdlly> Well, you have to configure grub to point to one of those four that grub can see
[06:50] <hyper_ch> and feisty is on the SATA
[06:51] <gabkdlly> then try root (hd3,4) and see what happens
[06:51] <gabkdlly> I know it might not be a bunch of fun, but if that does not work, you could cycle through the available ones (i.e. hd0, hd1, ...)
[07:21] <hyper_ch> somerville32: it's now feisty time
[07:21] <somerville32> You got it to work? :)
[07:22] <hyper_ch> yes
[07:22] <gabkdlly> excellent! :)
[07:22] <hyper_ch> however the quicklauncher items aren't there anymore
[07:22] <hyper_ch> and some repos are missing.. like Seveas'
[07:48] <grazie> somerville32, No, I picked up updates like FF <IP_ADDRESS> for ppc, but not for x86. Why would that be?
[07:48] <somerville32> Maybe you already have them, you just don't know?
[07:49] <somerville32> Do they use different mirrors?
[07:49] <gabkdlly> Wasn't FF <IP_ADDRESS> standard on Edgy CDs?
[07:51] <gabkdlly> it would not surprise me that new software makes it into x86 sooner than into ppc, since the user base for x86 is bigger
[07:52] <grazie> somerville32, No I keep both machines update to pretty regularly and there;s lots of differences. I'll check the mirrors.
[07:53] <grazie> gpocentek, ppc has updates, x86 hasn't?!
[07:54] <grazie> sorry gabkdlly ^^
[07:54] <gpocentek> :)
[07:55] <gpocentek> x86 has updates too
[07:55] <grazie> not for me!
[07:56] <gpocentek> do you have -updates enabled in your sources.list?
[07:57] <grazie> gpocentek, I've not added the parameter to either file, but I'll check
[07:58] <grazie> also, the updates on ppc have resulted in loss of sound
[07:58] <grazie> so I'm looking at that too
[08:03] <grazie> sources.lst for both ppc and x86 are the same, except I've added the wine repo to x86.
[08:07] <waky> Alle Oberbayern / Schwaben haben morschen schulfrei macht ihr tages guck http://www.tagesschau.de/ sorry for the german language
[08:07] <age6racer> Hi all, how do I mget an entire directory and it's subdirectories with smbclient in terminal?
[08:09] <hyper_ch> hiho :)
[08:11] <kalikiana> hi
[08:11] <somerville32> age6racer, You could always mount it and then use cp -r
[08:12] <hyper_ch> who is using feisty?
[08:13] <kalikiana> me :)
[08:14] <hyper_ch> kalikiana: do you use vmware?
[08:14] <kalikiana> nope
[08:15] <hyper_ch> :)
[08:15] <hyper_ch> that doesn't work for me
[09:15] <tictacaddict> does anyone know a way that I can monitor a directory and perform an action on any new files that are created in it?
[09:17] <somerville32> You could use an intrusion detection system
[09:17] <somerville32> I also think there is a program called tripwire that does something like that
[09:19] <tictacaddict> I will look into that.
[09:21] <Maximilian1st> Hi folks.
[09:21] <Maximilian1st> I have a question about herd2
[09:21] <Maximilian1st> Did the Terminal within Xfce loose it's utf8 capability?
[09:22] <Maximilian1st> I can't see special accents and stuff...
[09:22] <Maximilian1st> I never had to install anything to have them before.
[09:22] <Maximilian1st> Isn't it installed by default anymore?
[09:24] <kalikiana|rejoin> I can even insert kana in my Terminal.
[09:25] <Maximilian1st> So there is something with my installation. good to know that it works.  No, it's Edgy most of the time.
[09:27] <Maximilian1st> Isn't herd2 the feisty beta?
[09:27] <somerville32> Alpha
[09:28] <kalikiana|rejoin> Yes it is, but I don't use it 'normally', i.e. except when I play a little around.
[09:28] <hyper_ch> somerville32: Maximilian1st: has any of you tried to install vmware on herd 2?
[09:28] <somerville32> no
[09:28] <Maximilian1st> So by default there is no support for special accents in the alpha. That is my conclusion. hyper_ch nope, I use a laptop with 512 ram so it's not really the right machine to play with.
[09:30] <Maximilian1st> When I say no support I mean in Xfce's Terminal, because it works in the normal console. Also, they don't appear in xchat "?" "?" can you see these?
[09:30] <slow-motion> n8
[09:33] <Maximilian1st> I have something special here. If I launch a new Terminal window from within an existing one, I will still not get the accents but... if I launch using root from within an existing Terminal I will have the accents. any clue as to what is wrong?
[09:33] <Maximilian1st> something to do with the locale? from my user?
[09:35] <Maximilian1st> Also, I confirmed a hang in the booting process with the sk98lin driver. I can also confirm that it won't load when using the restricted modules from the packages, probably due to this driver also.
[10:32] <nukeslion> hello :D
[10:52] <nukeslion> anyone get WPA to work? im having trouble with it :(
[11:16] <snook353> what is a power-point-like app besides openoffice impress?
[11:18] <hyper_ch> snook353: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Linux_software_equivalent_to_Windows_software
[11:19] <snook353> thanks
[11:20] <snook353> i heard someone mention some german-based app for powerpoint and openoffice alternative
[11:36] <cellofellow> snook353: koffice is gernam
[11:36] <cellofellow> german*
[11:38] <cellofellow> snook353: but honestly, I can't think of any besides openoffice and koffice.
[12:18] <gunny01> no gnome office app for powerpoint
[12:19] <cellofellow> not even google office. (yet)
[12:19] <cellofellow> It's Impress and KPresent
[12:29] <cellofellow> new screenshots: http://mellowcellofellow.googlepages.com/screenshots


[18:10] <JanC> interesting idea: https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/1057/
[23:08] <valorie> the speech input on my android phone is pretty good
[23:08] <valorie> would be cool to use that indeed


[03:40] <Viking1488> how do i configure Gnome ppp to be able to use netzero dial up?
[04:35] <mongoosedog> hey guys got no sound with firefox, any help?
[05:37] <paultag_> nhandler: poke
[05:38] <nhasian> hello paultag_
[05:38] <paultag_> hey nhasian :)
[14:10] <kaideane> What is the Ubuntu equivalent to Adobe Illustrator?
[14:11] <Silver_Fox_> Inkscape kaideane
[14:11] <kaideane> Thank you Silver Fox
[14:11] <Silver_Fox_> Pleasure
[15:44] <crofalcon> hi
[15:44] <crofalcon> can anyone help me with TS3 installation please
[15:44] <crofalcon> got the file from teamspeak site
[15:44] <crofalcon> did chmod -x ts3install.run
[15:44] <crofalcon> and then sudo ts3install.run
[15:44] <crofalcon> says it finished installing, but isn't showing up anywhere
[15:47] <crofalcon> anyone please ?
[15:47] <crofalcon> sudo apt-get remove teamspeak-client
[15:47] <crofalcon> ops
[15:51] <crofalcon> anyone here ?
[15:58] <duanedesign> hello crofalcon
[15:58] <crofalcon> hello
[16:01] <duanedesign> crofalcon: you installed teamspeak but cant find it in the menus?
[16:01] <crofalcon> yeah
[16:01] <crofalcon> seems so
[16:02] <ShadowKnight> Hi, i was wondering how you can get ubuntu remix on the netbook. i have been trying and cant get it to work
[16:03] <stlsaint> ShadowKnight: you mean ubuntu netboot remix? (UNR)
[16:03] <ShadowKnight> stlsaint: yes thats the one, i have it set up in a jumpdrive through the unetboot program
[16:05] <stlsaint> ShadowKnight: your trying to make a persisten usb install?
[16:05] <ShadowKnight> stlsaint: no im trying to do a dual boot on the netbook because it came with windows 7 starter and it isnt the best thing in the world...
[16:06] <stlsaint> ShadowKnight: so you used unetboot in to put remix on the usb drive to do a dual boot, what do you mean that it isnt working?
[16:08] <ShadowKnight> stlsaint: yes thats what i did, but i cant get it to show up in the restart process is there anything im missing to do?
[16:12] <stlsaint> ShadowKnight: are you able to boot into the usb?
[16:14] <ShadowKnight> no like i press F10 and only something about my harddrive comes up and pressing F8 doesnt really help me either in being able to open it
[16:14] <stlsaint> ShadowKnight: have you enabled usb booting in your bios?
[16:14] <ShadowKnight> stlsaint: if it helps its an asus 1005PEB
[16:15] <ShadowKnight> it should be i have double checked but let me check again lol
[16:17] <ShadowKnight> stlsaint:
[16:17] <ShadowKnight> okay in boot device priority its number 2
[16:17] <ShadowKnight> it is number 2 also in the 2nd "hard disk drive"
[16:17] <ShadowKnight> quiet boot is enabled
[16:17] <ShadowKnight> boot booster is enabled
[16:17] <ShadowKnight> but the only thing disabled is onboard lan boot rom
[16:19] <stlsaint> you can try making it number 1 for now
[16:20] <ShadowKnight> okay in the device priority?
[16:20] <ShadowKnight> or the hard disk drive?
[16:20] <stlsaint> ShadowKnight: if you are unable to boot with the usb at number one than something went wrong in the setup of the iso to the usb
[16:20] <stlsaint> ShadowKnight: yes in the priority
[16:20] <ShadowKnight> okay then thanks, if it doesnt boot then ill just redo the unetboot. thanks ill try that right now
[16:21] <stlsaint> kk
[16:22] <ShadowKnight> okay i press F10 and nothing really pops up just about windows 7 booting
[16:22] <ShadowKnight> is there something im doing wrong? o_O
[16:29] <stlsaint> ShadowKnight: sorry..went away for bit...
[16:29] <ShadowKnight> stlsaint: its okay im trying to see what im doing wrong here lol
[16:29] <stlsaint> did you change anything in bios?
[16:30] <stlsaint> ShadowKnight: ^^
[16:30] <ShadowKnight> yea i changed the usb thing of the priority, i was thinking of changing the hard drive too because the usb is number 2 there as well.
[16:30] <stlsaint> if you change booting order and it still didnt boot into usb than that confirms that you must redo that usb with unetbootin
[16:31] <ShadowKnight> hmmm okay then imma go do that, ill be back soon. thanks stlsaint
[18:05] <ShadowKnight> hey, i was wondering. okay i got ubuntu and i like it but i want to know what else i can do on it and the most useful programs it has as well as just overall knowledge that i should have while using it. im using this to replace my windows 7 ultimate edition. i know i have come on this to ask a lot of questions but i am very interested in this OS.
[19:11] <lukjad007> shredder12 Hi
[19:33] <ghostofmybrain_> How can I burn files to a disc using the command line?
[19:37] <lukjad007> ghostofmybrain_ here's an interesting link: http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialCDBurn.html
[19:38] <ghostofmybrain_> cool, tahnk you
[19:38] <lukjad007> :)
[20:25] <tronyx_K> uhhhhh
[20:25] <tronyx_K> did i get k-lined?
[20:25] <tronyx_K> and if so does any7one know why?
[20:28] <swoody> tronyx_K: it looks like it :/ I have no idea why though. Did you tick off nhandler ? ;)
[20:28] <tronyx_K> i didn't do anything
[20:28] <tronyx_K> i wasn't even logged into my shell box until this morning, just left my irssi in screen, as usual
[20:28] <tronyx_K> i got on just now and i saw that all my freenode channels showed me as k-lined
[20:29] <tronyx_K> (13:33) [freenode] You are banned from this server- Spam is off topic on            freenode
[20:29] <swoody> that's pretty odd, there was some spammers coming through #ubuntu, maybe they got you by mistake?
[20:31] <tronyx> ok......
[20:31] <swoody> what was it?
[20:31] <tronyx_K> idk
[20:32] <tronyx_K> i wonder if someone on my host was dicking around and got the hostname k-lined
[20:32] <swoody> could be
[20:32] <tronyx_K> alright
[20:32] <tronyx_K> well, back to work
[20:32] <swoody> :)
[20:32] <tronyx_K> any news on the job btw swoody ?
[20:32] <swoody> tronyx_K: not yet, waiting to hear back from them now :)
[20:32] <swoody> fingers still crossed
[20:33] <tronyx_K> cool
[20:33] <tronyx_K> keep me posted
[20:33] <tronyx_K> later steve
[20:33] <swoody> tronyx: will do. ttyl :)
[20:42] <pedro3005> a


[03:54] <nubae> LaserJock:
[03:54] <nubae> u wanted to talk to me yesterday I believe
[03:54] <LaserJock> nubae: yeah
[03:54] <LaserJock> nubae: wanted you to look at the new homepage we were working on
[03:54] <nubae> yeah I published it :-)
[03:55] <nubae> there are still a couple other pages that need the 'edubuntu is a distribution' parts taken out
[03:56] <LaserJock> ah, cool
[03:56] <nubae> that, and I need your help with the community and help pages
[03:56] <LaserJock> I did a quick triage of all the edubuntu.org pages
[03:56] <nubae> both have contacts that are probably out of date
[03:56] <LaserJock> yeah, I actually got an email from one of the contacts today asking for it to be updated :-)
[03:57] <nubae> ok, so what should we change there... I put you up there, since you weren't mentioned
[03:57] <nubae> starting with the help and support page..
[03:58] <nubae> teh education realm should probably be switched to Riched right?
[03:59] <nubae> Technical/General, to you?
[03:59] <LaserJock> I don't have time to work on it tonight
[03:59] <LaserJock> I think we can discuss that one via mailing list
[03:59] <nubae> ok no worries, shall we set a time?
[03:59] <LaserJock> since we're putting people's names down I think we should get broader discussion
[04:00] <nubae> I doubt anyone is going to answer on the mailing list :-)
[04:00] <nubae> but sure we can try...
[04:00] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if we even want to do a ton for specific contacts, especially since they often go away
[04:00] <LaserJock> well, even if it's me and you
[04:00] <nubae> and then set a time when me and you can go over specifics in the page
[04:00] <LaserJock> it's a little hard to work on lists, etc. on IRC
[04:00] <LaserJock> I do want to talk to you a little about the Download page
[04:01] <nubae> yup... ok yeah I agree, 3 contacts at most
[04:01] <LaserJock> specifically that there is 3 similar but different Download pages
[04:01] <nubae> hmmm, I only see 2
[04:02] <LaserJock> node 3, 47 and whatever node /Download is
[04:02] <nubae> but are they all published?
[04:03] <LaserJock> not sure, at least 2 are
[04:03] <nubae> on the front page, we have a link to downloads, and then the banner at the top brings you to a kind of download page too
[04:03] <nubae> I guess those 2 links could go to the same place
[04:03] <LaserJock> the link on the frontpage goes to a different node than 3 and 47
[04:03] <Ahmuck> good evening
[04:05] <nubae> it goes to 53
[04:05] <nubae> which seems to be the only active one
[04:05] <nubae> the other download-like page is the new release announcement
[04:06] <LaserJock> ok, let's come up with a syntax or naming scheme
[04:06] <LaserJock> 1) I'd like to archive release announcements and release notes for each release
[04:07] <LaserJock> 2) rather than updating the same page for each release we should just change the url aliases
[04:07] <nubae> ok, by archiving them, we take out the url rewrite, unpublish and leave as a node
[04:07] <nubae> yeah we normally do that
[04:07] <nubae> at least I've been doing that, like in the case of the homepage
[04:07] <nubae> problem is, that gets messy
[04:07] <nubae> there are a ton of unpublished pages that serve no purpose
[04:07] <LaserJock> well, for the homepage I don't think we really need to do that so much
[04:08] <LaserJock> right
[04:08] <LaserJock> I don't think we need to unpublish them either
[04:08] <nubae> ok so for which pages
[04:08] <nubae> well, the thing is the url changes to a node
[04:08] <nubae> so no one will find it anyway
[04:08] <LaserJock> google might
[04:08] <nubae> unless we link to old release announcements some how
[04:09] <LaserJock> and what I'm thinking is that we can make an archive page that links to them
[04:09] <nubae> ok
[04:09] <nubae> ok, so we do this for announcements and which other pages?
[04:09] <LaserJock> I think the application lists, any release-specific documentation, release notes, and release announcements should be done this way
[04:10] <nubae> k I'll jot that down in a tomboy note
[04:10] <LaserJock> the thing is I want to keep info on there
[04:11] <LaserJock> so that the site is not only useful for people getting the very latest release
[04:11] <LaserJock> for instance, a lot of people will be using 8.04 for a while
[04:12] <nubae> well, the release notes from 8.04 hardly changed to 8.19
[04:12] <nubae> 8.10
[04:12] <LaserJock> i know
[04:12] <LaserJock> but that may not always be the case
[04:12] <nubae> only the release name was changed, which of course is something that should be remedied... we should mention what is new with the releases
[04:12] <nubae> so people have a feeling that the thing is growing
[04:13] <nubae> not just cloning itself
[04:13] <LaserJock> sure
[04:13] <LaserJock> it's just that nobody did it for 8.10
[04:13] <nubae> ok, so back downloads, what should we do?
[04:14] <nubae> in the release annoncement we could point to the download pages instead of repeating the full instructions there
[04:14] <LaserJock> well  so do we have duplicates or are a couple actually release announcements?
[04:15] <nubae> the places where instructions for downloading are is in the release notes (/news/8.10-release) and the downloads page (/Download)
[04:16] <nubae> my thinking is we can keep release notes just about that, and point them to the download page for full instructions
[04:16] <LaserJock> I think so
[04:16] <LaserJock> because I want to keep the actual release notes and announcments
[04:16] <LaserJock> but if they include download instructions that gets oudated
[04:17] <LaserJock> so /Download should be basically the only place with downloading instructions
[04:17] <nubae> kewl
[04:18] <LaserJock> I renamed a few pages
[04:18] <LaserJock> but I think we should go through and make sure that the release-specific pages have the release in them
[04:18] <LaserJock> perhaps using 8.10: <whatever>  etc.
[04:19] <nubae> also, the edubuntu wiki is a bit of a mess
[04:20] <nubae> pointing to there is like going to an outside source that is very out of date
[04:20] <nubae> I think it does more damage than good at this point
[04:23] <nubae> apart from the develop part, the rest is duplication of what is already on or should be on the edubuntu.org page
[04:24] <nubae> the wiki should really be about how to get stuff working, describing and rating the apps, projects being undertaken by us...
[04:24] <nubae> etc
[04:26] <nubae> whatcha think?
[04:27] <Ahmuck> nn
[04:27] <LaserJock> well
[04:27] <LaserJock> there's points both ways
[04:28] <LaserJock> many fewer people have access to edubuntu.org
[04:28] <nubae> well from a maintenance point of view, we shouldnt be duplicating data
[04:28] <LaserJock> so it's often been more outdated than the wiki
[04:28] <nubae> well, thats not the case now
[04:28] <nubae> right now the wiki is far more outdated, and duplicate
[04:29] <LaserJock> how duplicative?
[04:31] <nubae> communication, participate, teams, contact us, faq
[04:32] <nubae> anyway I have to go, but its an idea to think about what exactly we want to do with the wiki.... It shouldnt just be another edubuntu.org with some extra material
[04:33] <nubae> oh b4 I forget
[04:33] <nubae> there was  a bug report about moodle... its related to postrgres and permission
[04:34] <LaserJock> yes
[04:34] <nubae> I suggest making moodle depend on mysql instead, its far more common
[04:34] <LaserJock> it does
[04:34] <nubae> and easier to auto install
[04:34] <nubae> anyone wanting to use postrgres, will more than likely know how to install that manually
[04:35] <LaserJock> our package does either, but default so mysql
[04:35] <nubae> and will want to too, postgres isnt something u should be installing unless you know what u are doing
[04:35] <LaserJock> ^to
[04:35] <nubae> hmmm, last I checked it defaulted to postgres
[04:35] <nubae> and it would seem from that error report that his did too
[04:36] <nubae> I'll try it on a fresh ubuntu vm
[04:36] <LaserJock> oh, you're right
[04:36] <LaserJock> you can just check the package
[04:36] <LaserJock> apt-cache show moodle
[04:36] <LaserJock> postgresql-client |mysql-client
[04:36] <nubae> yah right :-) ok so if we switch to mysql, we'll get far fewer problems and be able to strike that bug away
[04:37] <LaserJock> there was a reason for doing postgresql but I can't remember it
[04:37] <nubae> well, its a better db for sure, for scaling...
[04:38] <nubae> but anyone that is going to be doing 1000s of users will need to know what they are doing
[04:38] <nubae> so its kinda moot... mysql is easy enough for everyone
[04:39] <LaserJock> well we can discuss that
[04:39] <nubae> oh, there is another server side app we can look at, that links into moodle a bit... its an e-portfolio type software... very powerful, like a school based facebook, but geared totally towards learning
[04:39] <nubae> its called Mahara
[04:40] <nubae> maybe u've heard of it
[04:40] <LaserJock> i have
[04:40] <nubae> I wrote an article about it a while back: http://www.nubae.com/mahara-e-portfolio-for-moodle
[04:41] <nubae> its in universe
[04:41] <LaserJock> cool
[04:41] <nubae> oh, u wanna check out a live mahara, I have one here on my server?
[04:42] <LaserJock> sure
[04:42] <nubae> http://nubae.selfip.com/mahara/htdocs/
[04:44] <nubae> ok, created a user for u: laserjoch
[04:44] <nubae> laserjock even
[04:44] <nubae> with pass mahara5
[04:46] <nubae> its actually really neat... its like a common place for students to store their data, post resumes, interact, grab posted files for whatever reason, etc
[04:53] <nubae> needs some more research but could be a good addition to the edubuntu server packages
[04:53] <LaserJock> yeah, i'd like to beef that up
[04:53] <nubae> oh, its totally modular
[04:54] <nubae> can be easily adjusted to whatever we want
[04:54] <nubae> so from a server side we have php mysql ejabberd, moodle right now
[04:55] <nubae> and possibly mahara and schooltool+
[04:55] <nubae> right?
[04:55] <LaserJock> I don't know about schooltool
[04:55] <LaserJock> we don't have ejabberd right now, but it'd be nice to add it
[04:55] <nubae> well, what do u mean we don't gave
[04:55] <nubae> have
[04:56] <nubae> I've installed it just fine
[04:56] <LaserJock> in Edubuntu
[04:56] <nubae> oh k
[04:56] <nubae> is it in uni?
[04:57] <LaserJock> I guess
[04:57] <nubae> and with schooltool I really think it would be a good idea to talk to tom hoffman
[04:57] <LaserJock> apt-cache madison ejabberd
[04:57] <nubae> ok so that requires an MIR
[04:58] <nubae> shall I do that?
[04:58] <LaserJock> yeah, you can start working on that
[04:59] <nubae> ok cool, there is also the case with kolourpaint 4
[04:59] <nubae> vs gpaint
[04:59] <nubae> both are in main
[04:59] <LaserJock> I've been thinking about that
[04:59] <nubae> so it should just be an agreement to push that through
[04:59] <LaserJock> and a little about the role of KDE in Edubuntu
[05:00]  * nubae listens
[05:01] <LaserJock> well, it does seem like KDE is more edu-minded
[05:02] <LaserJock> I think making ubuntu-desktop-kde more of a priority might be useful
[05:03] <LaserJock> there aren't that many Gnome edu apps left
[05:04] <nubae> u mean focus on kde apps
[05:04] <nubae> or make it kde4?
[05:04] <nubae> which I all up for
[05:05] <LaserJock> there's a few thing
[05:05] <LaserJock> s
[05:05] <LaserJock> with the app bundles there's much less lock-in to the DE
[05:05] <LaserJock> we're mostly just after educational stuff, regardless
[05:06] <LaserJock> but there are little things we wrap around the purely eductional apps
[05:06] <LaserJock> like gpaint vs kolourpaint
[05:07] <LaserJock> and then there are issues like Gnome's user admin tool being kinda dead and buggy
[05:07] <LaserJock> so I'm not saying drop gnome or replace it with KDE
[05:07] <LaserJock> but just having a stronger KDE option in edubuntu-desktop-kde
[05:12] <nubae> ok sounds good
[05:12] <nubae> kdefy it
[05:12] <nubae> so how do we do that?
[05:12] <nubae> it would be nice too, because the look and feel would have a nice change
[05:12] <LaserJock> essentially just pay attention to edubuntu-desktop-kde metapackage
[05:12] <LaserJock> and work with Kubuntu folks
[05:12] <nubae> cool
[05:13] <nubae> so can we user their widget based approach at all?
[05:13] <LaserJock> I wonder how many edu people use KDE though
[05:13] <nubae> or does that reuiquiren kd4 outright
[05:13] <nubae> hmm, at least 10%
[05:14] <LaserJock> how do you mean?
[05:14] <LaserJock> we have KDE4
[05:14] <nubae> yes, but more integrated into the gui
[05:14] <LaserJock> just bits of it in KDE Edu and Kolourpaint4
[05:14] <nubae> i know
[05:14] <nubae> I'm talking look and fee
[05:15] <LaserJock> right, what I'm saying is that edubuntu-desktop-kde would be installed on top of Kubuntu
[05:15] <nubae> be able to us some of their plasma and widget stuff
[05:15] <nubae> ok
[05:15] <LaserJock> so whatever we do in there we can use KDE 4 to our hearts content
[05:15] <nubae> ,so maintiain 32 version then
[05:15] <LaserJock> so yeah, we could write plasmoids or whatever
[05:16] <nubae> well, who do we talk to at kde?
[05:16] <LaserJock> I don't know that we need to exactly talk to kde
[05:16] <LaserJock> we can just start doing things
[05:17] <LaserJock> 1 task is to get the edubuntu-desktop-kde metapackage in shape in the seeds
[05:17] <LaserJock> I have an idea about that that I'll try to get going shortly
[05:18] <nubae> but that would mean installing on top of a kubuntu, right=
[05:18] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:18] <LaserJock> so say on our download page we could have
[05:18] <LaserJock> for Ubuntu users:
[05:18] <LaserJock> blah blah
[05:18] <LaserJock> for Kubuntu users:
[05:18] <LaserJock> bla blah
[05:20] <nubae> would the apps all still be the same
[05:20] <nubae> or woudl we put something different in gnome than in kde
[05:20] <LaserJock> right
[05:22] <nubae> ok, so shall we open a discussion on the lists concerning this?
[05:23] <LaserJock> I don't think we need to right away
[05:23] <LaserJock> we can see where it takes us
[05:23] <nubae> ok a possible future roadmap
[05:24] <nubae> ok, I gotta go
[05:24] <nubae> anything else?
[05:24] <LaserJock> I think we could put it in the Jaunty announcment/release notes
[05:24] <LaserJock> nah
[05:24] <LaserJock> I gotta go too
[05:25] <nubae> ye we can start, and maybe at next weeting we know enough to write something
[05:25] <nubae> anyway bye
[06:59] <highvoltage> ogra: ouch, this is running windows: http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/10/video-intels-convertible-classmate-pc-hands-on/
[08:24] <Meshezabeel> always good to have a weeting
[08:27] <Meshezabeel> Well, it was nice talking to you HedgeMage, cya next time.
[08:27] <HedgeMage> ??
[08:28] <Meshezabeel> ??
[08:28] <HedgeMage> I just got here... I'm not leaving yet. :)
[08:29] <Meshezabeel> yeah, it was nice talking to you with the double question marks at least :)
[08:30] <Meshezabeel> I'm the one leaving :)
[08:31] <HedgeMage> ahh
[21:40] <LaserJock> afternoon
[21:43] <stgraber> hey LaserJock