[00:56] <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-12-09 - has updates from today's meeting in it now.
[00:58] <skaet> one item to highlight,  that didn't get discussed at the meeting.   gcc 4.6 is being updated to 4.6.2-6ubuntu1.  doko sent out email before the meeting but it got blocked by mail-list.  unblocked now, and reference added.
[00:59] <skaet> details are in the minutes and on the ubuntu-release mail list
[00:59] <slangasek> ah, is that why it seemed to come late
[00:59] <slangasek> skaet: has someone whitelisted him now?
[01:00] <skaet> slangasek,  I should have when it went through but forgot,   next time will do,  or he could subscribe ;)
[01:01] <slangasek> yes, he could :)
[01:05]  * skaet --> weekend.  :)
[01:57] <mdeslaur> pitti: oneiric's linux-meta needs to go from -proposed to -security, ABI doesn't currently match
[02:19] <infinity> Wait, there's a mailing list? :P
[02:19] <infinity> mdeslaur: I can look at that.
[02:21] <infinity> mdeslaur: You mean from proposed to updates?  linux and linux-meta in security seem to match (both 13).
[02:21] <infinity> mdeslaur: But updates has a mismatch (14 and 13)
[02:31] <infinity> mdeslaur: (proposed to updates copy done)
[03:39] <mdeslaur> infinity: thanks!
[20:59] <hggdh> just marked bug 849745 critical. I think this should be considered for Alpha2, certainly for SRU, given the number of affected users.
[20:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 849745 in software-center (Ubuntu) "software-center crashed with DBusException in call_blocking(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. (affects: 67) (dups: 56) (heat: 478)" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs


[04:50] <tenach> o/
[04:53] <valorie> hi tenach
[05:04] <MarkDude> hello
[05:19] <tenach> Allo valorie and MarkDude :)
[05:20] <valorie> are you here in Washington state?
[05:20] <valorie> sec, old dog
[05:21] <tenach> Aye, I am.
[05:22] <tenach> I've been more of a lurker than anything as far as LoCo's go.
[05:23] <androidbruce> valorie, you around?
[05:37] <androidbruce> join #kuuntu
[06:05] <meonkeys> anyone in here own any bitcoins?
[06:05] <meonkeys> just curious.
[06:09] <tenach> I own only a fraction of one.
[06:09] <tenach> haha.
[06:09] <tenach> I don't have machines that can generate them fast enough, nor do I really want to buy 'em from people.
[06:12] <meonkeys> looks like they're up to about USD 7-something per bitcoin
[06:25] <valorie> dollars, or cents?
[06:25] <meonkeys> dollars
[06:26] <valorie> oh wow
[06:28] <tenach> Yeah.
[06:28] <tenach> They're getting rather crazy.
[15:55] <SK_Enigma> This is the Ubu chan for WA state, not DC, correct
[16:22] <Uber_Geek> anyone near Spokane?
[16:59] <tenach> Hello Uber_Geek. I'm nowhere near Spokane.
[16:59] <Uber_Geek> so is this cahnnel for WA state, or DC?
[17:05] <tenach> WA State
[17:05] <tenach> I'm in Tacoma. Tacoma is quite a bit away from Spokane.
[17:06] <Uber_Geek> oh good.  I know where Tacoma is, got fam there.
[17:08] <Uber_Geek> So what are your thoughts on the Unity interface?
[18:34] <tenach> I dislike it greatly.
[18:34] <tenach> While I do acknowledge that it is possibly good for newcomers to Ubuntu, I do not like how restricted it seems.
[18:34] <tenach> Nor do I like that it ups the minimum requirements for a machine to run Ubuntu in the way it's currently designed.
[18:35] <Uber_Geek> I have been very un-impressed as well.  expecially on my netbook.
[18:54] <tenach> Yeah... Unity doesn't even run on my inspiron mini.
[18:54] <Uber_Geek> have you tried Gnome 3?
[18:54] <tenach> Nope.
[18:55] <tenach> I've not been to interested in it, since it just seems to hog resources...
[18:55] <tenach> In my opinion, that is.
[18:55] <Uber_Geek> it totally breaks unity on 11.04 and runs much faster than Unity did
[18:55] <tenach> Crazy.
[18:55] <Uber_Geek> that has been in my experiance on my Apsire One netbook
[18:56] <tenach> I should take a look into it.
[18:57] <tenach> Right now I'm running LXDE and it's treating me nice.
[19:22] <tenach> Hello althara
[19:22] <althara> hello
[19:23] <Uber_Geek> hello as well althara
[19:23] <althara> hi
[19:34] <tenach> How're you?
[19:43] <althara> Getting over a cold
[19:43] <althara> Yourself?
[19:54] <tenach> I'm doing pretty grand. Getting over the pains of helping people move and pack, for nearly a month straight.
[19:57] <tenach> althara: anything special I need to do to become 'more active' in this LoCo?
[19:58] <althara> ewww moving is icky
[19:58] <althara> You can help with coordinating our summer geeknic :)
[19:58] <tenach> Yeah, it is... especially when the house is 1/10th the size.
[20:00] <tenach> althara: do we know about where in Washington the majority of LoCo members are?
[20:00] <althara> concentrated around the puget sound
[20:00] <tenach> Ah, okay.
[20:01] <tenach> Seattle and farther north? I'm down in Tacoma.
[20:01] <althara> last I checked there were 50 people singed up in the launchpad group which is where we are tracking "membership" but I can't say that I've ever seen that many people active on the forum, irc or mailing list
[20:01] <althara> there are some people southward
[20:01] <althara> Burien
[20:01] <althara> valorie: is near black diamond
[20:02] <althara> a few in oly
[20:02] <tenach> Yeah, I haven't seen much activity, that's why I'm asking... I've been on the LP group for a while now.
[20:02] <althara> I think it's the curse of washington. People like the idea of doing stuff more than actually doing stuff :P
[20:03] <tenach> So very true!
[20:04] <althara> And I don't have the time or energy to coordinate and execute everything. So here we are. A few busy people really interested in the loco but we only manage to get a couple of events going during the year.
[20:05] <althara> That's part of the reason why I started the facebook ad campaign. A low time-cost way of spreading the news that we are interested in doing more with the loco. And I was hoping we could recruit a few more people to help get activities off the ground.
[20:06] <tenach> Well, I'm here to help! :D
[20:06] <althara> Yay
[20:07] <tenach> I'd love to get some events going.
[20:07] <althara> If you are interested in helping with the geeknic. I put a list of items which people can volunteer to help with up on the mailing list earlier this month: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-wa/2011-May/000538.html
[20:07] <tenach> So, this geeknic should probably be held near-ish Seattle, then..
[20:07] <tenach> Yes, I have that open right now :D
[20:07] <althara> yeah, valorie has offered her back yard. But it is a ways out there. The benefit is it's free
[20:07] <althara> Seattle parks, not so much
[20:08] <althara> I need to get back to work now. I'll be pingable if you have a specific question though.
[20:15]  * tenach nods.
[20:15] <tenach> I'll see what I can come up with.
[21:13] <Uber_Geek> I am back
[21:14] <Uber_Geek> Only problem that I have with "WA" based groups are most of the are around the "Seattle Area"  I am near Spokane so getting to Seattle doesn't work :(
[21:22] <tenach> Yeah... That is another thing I was thinking about.
[21:36] <Uber_Geek> Wa might need to LoCo's Eastern and Western
[21:41] <tenach> Yeah, just might
[23:36] <seattlegaucho> problem w/ Eastern WA loco is it would still be geagraphically scattered ... most likely around the college campuses: WSU, CWU, Gonzaga ... etc
[23:39] <Uber_Geek> true, however from WSU, EWU, Gonzaga they are no more then 2 hours apart, vs a 6 hr trip to Seattle.
[23:40] <Uber_Geek> I just moved from Spokane, WA to Post Falls, ID and think it would be nice to merge Eastern WA and Northern ID to one group.
[23:49] <seattlegaucho> I drive from pulman to Seattle in 4.5 hs ... with regular traffic flow
[23:49] <seattlegaucho> :)
[23:49] <Uber_Geek> nice
[23:49] <seattlegaucho> the strech from vantage to pulman I call it: the never ending windows wallpaper
[23:50] <Uber_Geek> lol


[01:17] <ScottL> ailo, i was using a different kernel i believe at that time which was in the repos
[01:17] <ScottL> so i was able to upload the -meta
[01:17] <ailo> ScottL, I was doing this with the natty kernel
[01:18] <ScottL> and i think i did everything just like it is described
[01:18] <ailo> Then there must be a problem with the current source for 2.6.38
[01:27] <ailo> ScottL, The fakeroot step is missing from the instructions for the meta package.
[01:28] <ailo> ScottL, I suppose the procedure could be identical for the two. I was following the text very much step by step, not caring about what each step did yet
[01:28] <ailo> update the changelog, do the fakeroot thing, and then the debuild thing
[01:28] <ailo> After that upload
[01:41] <ailo> ScottL, New attempt. Seems to work. I'll delve deeper into this out of my own interest of course. Takes some time to read through all the specific setps
[01:41] <ailo> steps*
[03:23] <ailo> ScottL, a purdyne dev finally answered my mail
[03:24] <ailo> puredyne*
[03:24] <ailo> I suggested collaboration on testing/developing the kernel and having a common live image
[03:25] <ailo> Having a common way of making the live image, I mean
[03:25] <ailo> On XFCE, I cannot recommend anything, because at the moment US is about to be based on Xubuntu as I understand it, and puredyne has a much simpler setup
[03:26] <ailo> Their aim is to have an OS that works on P3 256MB machines
[03:26] <ailo> Or was..
[03:26] <ailo> Also, I don't think they are interested in PA.
[03:27] <ailo> I'm really the wrong person to coordinate anything desktop-wise since that's not my area at all
[03:34] <ScottL> that good that a dev answered your email
[03:35] <ScottL> i don't think we can have a similar live image because we would be building them completely different probably
[03:35] <ScottL> and eww, working on a p3 256 mb machine?   that's pretty damn low specs
[03:55] <TheMuso> ScottL: No, whenever I tried to get Andy, he was busy, and then I ended up being called away to something else. :(
[04:01] <ailo> ScottL, In any case, I would be interested to find out. Their live image is a very nice one. It's based on Debian stuff mostly.
[04:02] <ailo> ScottL, They are interested in a testing script, so hopefully they can be of help testing and having opinions on the kernel at least
[04:30] <ScottL> TheMuso, that is sad :(
[04:31] <ScottL> ailo, a testing script would be pretty interesting
[05:15] <TheMuso> ScottL: I'll email him next week, and ask him about it. I don't mind if he gives me turse instructions, I can make something out of them hoefully.
[05:15] <TheMuso> Anyway, off for the rest of the day.
[15:35] <holstein> should i say something to ralph?
[15:36] <holstein> mention the iso testing pages again?
[15:36] <holstein> i feel like he blasted out a 6 paragraph email about the look and feel of ubuntstudio 11.10 with XFCE
[17:01] <Kokito> hello folks
[17:02] <holstein> Kokito: damn
[17:02] <holstein> cant make it tomorrow :/
[17:02] <Kokito> no, sorry
[17:03] <holstein> im not sure if i can, but im not really doing any UI work


 @Ivoriesablaze and @AdamOutler - I was victorious
 Oh?
 @Ivoriesablaze, They went back and listened to that call I played over the weekend and came up with an offer that I accepted.
 What was the offer?
 Basically account credits until April of 2020 to pay for the unlimited data
 I thought you didn't want to accept credit
 @Ivoriesablaze, I wanted unlimited internet, I did not care how they did it. Basically they are going to bill me monthly for it and issue monthly credit to negate the cost of the add-on
 Ah gotcha
 I was not going to accept a one time credit to make me go away
 They were also horrified by that call
 @RazPi - I sense a business opportunity - https://www.amazon.com/Cheerwine-Cherry-Soda-12-Cans/dp/B00T3KR7UO/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1533224327&sr=8-1&keywords=cheerwine&linkCode=ll1&tag=strongpassword09-20&linkId=70aabbd99ab49fc3654cf5ce81425c27&language=en_US
 Hm . That's about the price I paid when you decide out the boxes of twelve
 About 10usd
 Wait no
 You're right!
 It was about 10 for two
 I do need to check Wal-Mart
 I did see it at least once
 I'm in New York now
 I think you made a wrong turn when leaving North Carolina
 Haha
 No joke
 interesting. Pixel C boots to a dead robot and no command.
 Can't but a new image on it wit hthe error FAILED (remote: unsupported command)
 @ahoneybun, That happened to me on the 6P before. I booted it I to recovery and from there rebooted and it was fine
 It's booting into Android Recovery which does not exist on Stock Android.
 Right now it's wiping itself from unlocking and relocking the bootloader.
 Android recovery does exist on stock Android
 It gives you 'No Command' and a dead robot.
 Press all 3 buttons briefly to enter. It is either all 3 or up and down
 No luck,
 Still had No Command.
 We're you running an official build or a aftermarket ROM
 Official Build.
 It was working last time I used the tablet.
 You can call the Pixel help number


[11:35] <apw> leitao (N,BFTL), no, ppc64el is not compatible with 7.2 without patching right now
[11:35] <apw> gcc 7.2
[13:25] <tseliot> apw: hi, can you approve nvidia-graphics-drivers-384 in artful NEW, please?
[13:26] <apw> tseliot, will look shortly
[13:26] <tseliot> apw: thanks!
[13:40] <apw> tseliot, does this only upgrade -375, does it not also upgrade -367?  are you relying on the chain there ?
[13:41] <tseliot> apw: yes, it only upgrades 375. 375 had transitional packages for 367
[13:41] <tseliot> which should still be there in the archive
[13:52] <apw> tseliot, and done
[13:52] <tseliot> apw: thanks a lot!
[13:55] <apw> tseliot, and it has cratered on armhf
[13:55] <apw> sed: can't read NVIDIA-Linux-armv7l-gnueabihf-384.90/nvidia_icd.json.template: No such file or directory
[13:55] <tseliot> apw: let me check
[13:56] <tseliot> oh
[13:56] <tseliot> so they only introduced the change on x86 and x86_64
[13:56] <tseliot> I'll fix it
[14:19] <tseliot> apw: 384.90-0ubuntu2 fixes that on armhf
[14:39] <tjaalton> apw: I should probably upload the oem kernel to xenial NEW..
[14:39] <tjaalton> soon
[14:39] <apw> tjaalton, you would need to upload it to the CKT PPA
[14:39] <apw> so it gets built right
[14:45] <tjaalton> ah, ok
[15:04] <leitao_> It seems that mainline ppc64el kernels are failing to build
[15:04] <leitao_> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.14-rc3/
[15:05] <leitao_> I am wondering if this is a toolchain being more strict issue.
[15:06] <apw> leitao_, yes, it is the compiler being more strict, i think sforshee sent a fix for that somewhere
[15:06] <leitao_> nice.
[15:08] <leitao_> sforshee, is it a kernel issue? If so, I can pester the powerpc maintainer to get it accepted.
[15:10] <apw> leitao_, we definatly applied something to the kernel source to avoid/fix the issue
[15:11] <leitao_> apw, but it does not fix the mainline builds, right?
[15:12] <apw> nope, they will need the fix to land upstream, or some manual action
[15:12] <apw> them failing is an indicator that the mainline kernel is broke
[15:38] <leitao_> apw, by the way, did you see that there is a regression on artful/master-next on P9?
[15:40] <apw> leitao_, got a pointer to the regresion ?
[15:41] <leitao_> apw, yes
[15:41] <leitao_> sent to the kernel-team mailing list.
[15:41] <leitao_> apw, "[Artful][PATCH 03/16] powerpc/perf: Add nest IMC PMU support"
[15:42] <leitao_> A patchset that we sent and it seems broken
[15:42] <leitao_> a full revert would be ideal
[15:42] <apw> sforshee, ^
[15:45] <apw> leitao, well damn that is poor timing
[15:46] <leitao> apw, :-|
[15:46] <leitao> apw,  and it breaks it completely, not even booting a p9.
[15:47] <apw> leitao, how did that get past testing, given it is a patchset for P9
[15:48] <leitao> apw, that is a question we are trying to understand internally.
[15:48] <leitao> Gustavo said he tested and it worked.
[15:48] <leitao> But I was not sure if he enabled the CONFIG_VAS option
[15:48] <leitao> which really enables the feature.
[15:48] <apw> leitao, anyhow, i'll poke people to sort that out, as right now the kernel planned for the final kernel for artful has that junk applied
[15:49] <leitao> apw, ok!
[15:52] <leitao> apw, sorry about it again. We are addressing it internally. This must never happen and it will certainly bring a lot of burden to you.
[15:52] <apw> leitao, it is particularly painful as this is the last upload for artful, for kernel freeze
[15:53] <leitao> apw, yup
[18:26] <sforshee> leitao<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is the patch I sent for the boot regression
[18:27] <sforshee> leitao: I'll revert that series and respin artful
[18:28] <sforshee> leitao: sorry, for the build regression
[18:28] <leitao> sforshee, sorry for the regression. :-)
[18:29] <leitao> sforshee, I am not sure if powerpc maintainer will find you patch at LKML. They usually look at the powerpc subsystem.
[18:29] <leitao> let me pester him with it.
[18:29] <sforshee> leitao: I sent it to the linuxppc-dev list, maintainers also included too
[18:29] <sforshee> but also to lkml
[18:29] <leitao> ah, ok!
[18:30] <sforshee> that's just the easiest way to give a link, I only need the message id
[18:31] <sforshee> leitao: also<EMAIL_ADDRESS>for a selftest build failure
[18:31] <leitao> sforshee, just pestered the powerpc maintainer. I hope to have a review by tomorrow
[18:31] <sforshee> both of those are because of a new compiler
[18:32] <leitao> yea. these compiler guys.... :-P
[20:47] <sforshee> leitao_: you still around?
[20:47] <leitao_> sforshee, I am
[20:47] <sforshee> leitao_: okay, let me double check with you which commits I should revert
[20:48] <leitao_> sforshee, I would revert the whole series. It seems to be completely broken.
[20:48] <sforshee> what I did was the ones for bug 1718293
[20:48] <leitao_> I understand that disabling VAS=y would also work
[20:48] <leitao_> sforshee, that is the bug.
[20:48] <sforshee> but I wonder if the ones for bug 1718292 should also be reverted or not
[20:49] <leitao_> sforshee, were patches from 1718292 commited?
[20:50] <leitao_> nm, it seems so.
[20:50] <sforshee> yeah
[20:51] <leitao_> sforshee, I do not know, let me try to discover.
[20:51] <sforshee> thanks
[21:01] <leitao_> sforshee, you will need to revert 1718292 also.
[21:06] <sforshee> leitao_: ack, thanks


[01:30] <elopio> robotfuel: yes, I like that! :)
[02:33] <jose> balloons: ping
[02:33] <balloons> yes?
[02:35] <jose> hey, I wanted to know if you could give me a hand
[02:35] <jose> I'd like to have someone from the quality team on our next OpenWeek http://ubuntuclassroom.wordpress.com/2014/03/20/ubuntu-open-week-for-trusty-call-for-instructors/
[02:37] <balloons> what did you have in mind
[02:37] <balloons> ?
[02:37] <balloons> I suppose this is from a community perspective eh?
[02:39] <jose> ye[
[02:40] <jose> yep*
[02:40] <jose> I thought about a 1h session where you or someone explains what is done in the ubuntu quality team from different perspectives, and then tell people how to get started on the team and/or how to get set up for contributing to the team
[02:43] <balloons> what timeslots exist?
[02:54] <jose> balloons: *all* of them
[02:55] <jose> first one is at 15, last one at 19
[02:55] <jose> 22nd, 23rd and 24th April
[06:17] <pitti> Good morning
[07:22] <dkessel> Good morning pitti
[07:44] <DanChapman> good morning
[07:44] <elfy> morning DanChapman
[07:44] <DanChapman> howdy elfy. o/
[08:00] <jibel> Good morning
[08:05] <elfy> morning jibel
[08:07] <jibel> good morning elfy, DanChapman
[08:11] <DanChapman> morning jibel o/
[11:16] <davmor2> Morning all
[13:30] <melodie> hi
[13:31] <melodie> I am running an Ubuntu 12.04.4 based and I just succeeded in configuring my Logitech USB headset using this tutorial : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UsbAudioDevices
[13:32] <melodie> but I had to adapt and do one think upside down:
[13:32] <melodie> at the end of the page we can read: "options snd-hda-intel index=0"
[13:33] <melodie> I had do reverse and put snd-usb-audio at index 0 and also I had to reboot fully, as doing an "alsa force-reload" would not work
[13:33] <knome> melodie, that's a wiki, you can edit it yourself...
[13:33] <melodie> the reason why I went through this is that I can't use pulseaudio
[13:33] <melodie> hi knome I know it is a wiki but this wiki does not like me
[13:33] <knome> melodie, just leave a note that "you might need to do this for some devices instead"
[13:33] <melodie> and my point is not yet to edit the wiki
[13:33] <knome> okay
[13:34] <melodie> I am being putting the elements now, I have not asked my question yet
[13:34] <melodie> ok so I can't use pa which is a pain in the b*** for this headset and I wanted to use alsa
[13:35] <melodie> but I will need to reconfigure the alsa-base.conf each time I want to switch from headset to loudspeakers and reverse and reboot
[13:35] <melodie> I would like to have help tweaking something which would allow to switch directly
[13:35] <melodie> how can I do that?
[13:35] <melodie> by directly I mean "on the fly" of course
[13:36] <melodie> and also the thinkpad audio control does not work either
[13:38] <knome> i'm not sure this is the right channel to report/ask support questions...
[13:43] <melodie> not sure either, just I thought something for improving ubuntu might fall here or come from here
[13:43] <knome> if you have a bug / enhancement request, filing a bug is the best thing to do
[13:43] <knome> if you have a support question, #ubuntu is the channel
[13:44] <melodie> I would like to find people keen with technics, so I don't know where the chan for that would be
[13:44] <knome> technics being...?
[13:44] <knome> being able to solve your bug right away?
[13:44] <knome> don't know if people like that are available
[13:44] <knome> but the best bet would be #ubuntu
[13:45] <knome> and file a bug if no solution is to be found
[15:35] <balloons> elopio, https://code.launchpad.net/~elopio/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/initctl_env_var/+merge/208612 :-)
[15:36] <balloons> elopio, until that lands what do you suggest we do?
[15:37] <elopio> balloons: is waiting an option?
[15:37] <balloons> elopio, it's always an option
[15:37] <knome> it's not an option... it happens if you don't pick any option
[15:38] <elopio> balloons: if it becomes a problem, then duplicate the fixture on your project temporarily.
[15:38] <balloons> elopio, I'll wait. Easy peasy
[15:39] <elopio> hopefully, we don't forget about it once the other is released.
[15:39] <balloons> elopio, I was asking if there was something easier than duplication
[15:39] <balloons> so instead i'll wait
[15:39] <balloons> ty
[15:39] <elopio> balloons: the problem is that it's not easy to revert the original value
[15:39] <elopio> sometimes it's not defined. So that's what the fixture takes care of.
[15:39] <balloons> elopio, one question though, what does this do to the patching /home we've done?
[15:40] <balloons> can we use one flow for desktop and devices?
[16:05] <elopio> balloons: sorry, I was at a meeting.
[16:06] <elopio> balloons: ideally, on desktop we will launch the apps also with upstart
[16:06] <elopio> so patching the initctl env will be enough for both.
[16:07] <elopio> I guess that's not the case now, so we need to check if we need to do it differently on desktop.
[16:07] <balloons> elopio, ahh so at first we might need to do both, k
[16:08] <elopio> balloons: yes, we need to check. I don't know if initctl set-env HOME=/tmp will work if we don't launch the app with upstart.
[16:42] <elopio> rhuddie: let me know when you are done with the wizard.
[16:44] <rhuddie> elopio, I think I am done now... I can't think of anything else for the wizard!
[16:44] <elopio> rhuddie: looks nice, thanks!
[16:45] <rhuddie> elopio, no prob
[16:45] <elopio> rhuddie: please make sure that everybody can make comments, in case they want to add something.
[16:45] <elopio> I'll send them the link now.
[16:48] <rhuddie> elopio, ok changed default access to allow comments
[16:48] <elopio> rhuddie: it would also be nice for you to join #ubuntu-unity :)
[16:49] <rhuddie> elopio, just joined
[16:58] <elopio> ubuntu-qa: I need to leave my office because they will paint it. I'll be back later, and make up for that time in the night.
[16:58]  * elopio goes away.
[17:04] <balloons> ping xnox
[17:06] <xnox> balloons: hey!
[17:07] <balloons> xnox, so something I could use help on is cmake.. are you good with it?
[17:07] <balloons> my english, hah.. "are you good"
[17:08] <balloons> specifically we need to tweak some core apps cmake files to fix some issues
[17:08] <xnox> balloons: yeah, i make cmake uploads into the archive =)
[17:13] <balloons> xnox, ok so I need some help with filemanager cmake, let me get you a branch
[17:13] <xnox> balloons: if there are bugs just assign them to me. or point me things that need fixing holistically / in-particular apps, branches, etc.
[17:16] <balloons> https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-filemanager-app/fix-armhf-build/+merge/211621 I'm trying to get a proper cmake build for the app.
[17:16] <balloons> See this bug, which I just updated; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-filemanager-app/+bug/1294301 Basically we need to include the plugin in the click build
[17:16] <balloons> xnox ^^
[17:18] <xnox> balloons: ack.
[17:23] <xnox> balloons: i see that the plugin ftbfs on armhf, can you add me to ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers to investigate the ppa build-failure. Or do you have  qtdeclarative5-nemo-qml-plugin-folderlistmodel built against Qt5.2 stack (e.g. links against libqt5core5a) ?
[17:24] <xnox> somewhere, on armhf.
[17:24] <balloons> ohh, didn't realize ppa build is still failing
[17:25] <xnox> balloons: if you add me to the team, i'll be able to see the build-failure log.
[17:25] <xnox> balloons: and propose fixing it.
[17:25] <balloons> one sec :-)
[17:25] <xnox> balloons: or download / pastebin build logs etc =))))))
[17:26] <balloons> xnox, your on the team
[17:27] <balloons> *you are on the team
[17:27] <balloons> shame on me
[17:27] <balloons> in a rush..
[17:27]  * balloons apologizes to knome
[17:27] <knome> what? :)
[17:29] <elfy> just say thanks knome
[17:30] <balloons> btw xnox, calendar is in the store
[17:31]  * balloons hands forestpiskie a cookie
[17:31] <knome> hah, whatever i did...
[17:35] <elfy> not sharing cookies with elfy - that's for sure :p
[17:36]  * DanChapman is missing out on cookies again :-(
[17:36] <elfy> sorry - they had chocolate in them
[17:47] <balloons> xnox, apart from the build failure in the ppa, how can we make sure the cmake file builds something that will run on the device?
[17:59] <xnox> balloons: well, to be sure i'd need to test it. i can test with i386/amd64 without plugin installed normally.
[18:00] <xnox> balloons: that would be equivalent test + get armhf binary.
[18:12] <balloons> xnox, yes we would need to test. Sorry for the poor question. I'm saying the click package built right now by cmake fails to run on the device, complaining of missing the folderlistmodel plugin we're talking about
[18:12] <balloons> xnox, ot
[18:13] <balloons> xnox, it's unclear to me how to have a dependency in the click on an external plugin.. Or is there another reason ad the cmake file is fine?
[18:25] <jose> hey balloons, if you want to do the openweek session just let me know and I'll grab a slot for you
[18:25] <xnox> balloons: include a file anywhere inside the click, setup QML2_MODULE_PATH and/or LD_LIBRARY_PATH and by magic it will just work.
[18:25] <balloons> jose, poke me next week I'm sure we'll arrange something
[18:25] <jose> cool, thank you!
[18:25] <xnox> balloons: clicks must be self-contained, they cannot declare dependencies at all (only compatible framework at most)
[18:26] <xnox> balloons: i'll check if upstart-app-launch already adjusts environment variables, in that case it's just putting those files in the right place.
[18:27] <balloons> xnox, I understand everything on paper, just a little lost on the implementation details; typically the plugins we need are part of the project, hence it's easy to include them
[18:30] <xnox> balloons: .... in our case we'll do esentically $ cp /usr/lib/armhf-gnueabi-linux/qt5/qml/*    .
[18:30] <balloons> really.. lol, ok then :-)
[18:30] <xnox> balloons: cause we have a plugin built. And i can e.g. upload that plugin into the ubuntu archive proper, instead of ppa. Then it would be ABI/API maintained and tested with everything else in the archive.
[18:31] <xnox> balloons: e.g. it would block qt5.2 migrating to release pocket, until somebody fixed the plugin compiling on armhf ;-)
[18:31] <xnox> but it's not in the archive at the moment.... or I just failed to find it.
[18:31] <balloons> xnox, ahh.. any downsides with the fast moving target of touch? I'm guessing might want to migrate all the plugins we use to the archive, even if the apps stay in the ppa
[18:32] <balloons> we considered moving everything, but the apps move too quick
[18:32] <xnox> balloons: sure. Moving all the dependencies into the archive, is the best way. Cause you get "boring" but necessary maintainance for free. From the likes of doko/cjwatson/infinity/Mirv etc.
[18:34] <xnox> balloons: keeping the apps themself in the store is fine.
[18:35] <balloons> xnox, yep I agree with, thanks
[18:35] <xnox> balloons: plus it's the best way to test the store itself =)))))))
[18:59] <balloons> xnox, re: your ml thread, didn't didie say there was a meeting of sorts? if it doesn't exist, I'll schedule one
[19:00] <xnox> balloons: no idea what this meeting was going to suppose to be.
[19:00] <xnox> balloons: first heard about it on irc and didn't see it on mailing lists at all.
[19:00] <balloons> xnox, right.. I'll get something together
[19:01] <xnox> balloons: he is subscribed to that mailing list, so should see.
[19:01] <xnox> balloons: looks like there are quite a few pieces in ci, qa, and store that need to happen. thus it's hardly a "landing team driving this"
[19:01] <xnox> balloons: cause i think even the click package in-store review is manual at the moment instead of automatic.
[19:01] <balloons> xnox, it's semi-automated, like many things
[19:02] <balloons> almost, but not quite there


[00:00] <dhillon-v10> crimsun: yah I found it thanks though
[00:01] <geser> dhillon-v10: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistributedDevelopment/Documentation/Merging describes bzr merges
[00:02] <dhillon-v10> geser: I remember you telling me that, I just forgot about it :)
[00:10] <dhillon-v10> geser: can you have a look at this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/349722/ and tell me if it looks right, its for this bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/goldendict/+bug/499335
[00:13] <geser> dhillon-v10: as you merged our changes on the current version from testing the version should be: 0.9.1~git20091117-1ubuntu1 and target lucid (not karmic)
[00:15] <geser> and as the merges change removes the file, telling "Adding a .desktop file" is wrong
[00:16] <dhillon-v10> geser: alright thanks a bunch, I'll fix those
[00:17] <dhillon-v10> geser: one question, how do you guys figure out what's wrong so quickly
[00:18] <geser> experience :)
[00:19] <geser> mostly it was looking at the changelog entry (check the version and target) and compare if the mentioned changes match the changes in the debdiff
[00:19] <dhillon-v10> geser: ahh, that's why, just wait like 2 years and I might catch up to you
[00:19] <geser> and also looking at the current changes if nothing was missed
[00:19] <dhillon-v10> *might*
[05:00] <propagandist> Happy New Year
[05:55] <crimsun> ugh, nasty hacks.
[06:09] <cornucopic> Hey all. I have a pure Python module which I want to package for Ubuntu, Where do I start? I am a total n00b in packaging
[06:11] <bjsnider> cornucopic, there's a youtube video series by daniel holbach that you can find if you search for "ubuntu motu packaging"
[06:12] <bjsnider> that will tell you what you'll need as far as the build system and commands like dh_make that you'll be using
[06:12] <crimsun> see http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/PythonModulesTeam
[06:12] <cornucopic>  hm. cool. thanks!1
[06:14] <cornucopic> How good or bad is 'stdeb'? http://pypi.python.org/pypi/stdeb/
[06:17] <cornucopic> ah that page also hints at making packages w/o stdeb and i think that is the way I would go..let
[06:17] <cornucopic> let's see
[06:25] <ScottK> cornucopic: You can also ask questions about packaging Python stuff in #debian-python on OFTC.
[06:31] <cornucopic> ScottK, thanks. OFTC is a new IRC network?
[06:37] <ScottK> cornucopic: Not new, but different.  irc.oftc.org
[06:38] <ScottK> It's where all the Debian channels are.
[06:38] <cornucopic> ScottK, oh..didn't know..
[07:17] <cornucopic> what should be in my .changes file?
[07:17] <cornucopic> I am creating a new PPA
[07:20] <fabrice_sp> cornucopic, your changes file is automatically generated by debuild -sa -S
[07:24] <cornucopic> looks like py2dsc doesn't do it..
[07:24] <cornucopic> py2dsc is part of http://pypi.python.org/pypi/stdeb/
[07:30] <cornucopic> Is there anyway I could 'write' the .changes file myself?
[07:33] <fabrice_sp> debuild is part of the tools used to package an app
[07:33] <fabrice_sp> you shouldn't need to write it by yourself
[07:33] <fabrice_sp> !packagingguide
[07:34] <fabrice_sp> cornucopic, ^
[07:35] <ScottK> cornucopic: stdeb isn't a tool that's generally used here, so you're unlikely to get a lot of help with things specific to it.
[07:49] <crimsun> why is xca calling gcc instead of g++ ?!
[07:49] <crimsun> no wonder this linker junk is failing
[08:04] <cornucopic> ScottK, Ok. so no shortcuts in sight :( I need a point to start off, I want to distribute DEBs for a pure Python module
[08:08] <cornucopic> I am starting off with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Python and adapt it my Python module.
[08:26] <marcham89> Hello
[08:41] <cornucopic> just built my first debian package! yay.
[08:41] <fabrice_sp> congrats :-)
[08:42] <cornucopic> fabrice_sp, thank you :-)
[08:43] <cornucopic> what's the diff between using pycentral and python-support?
[08:46] <cornucopic> the python module I am creating a package for uses PSF, dh_make apparently doesn't support it. Should I choose GPL instead? (since PSF is GPL compatible?)
[08:48] <fabrice_sp> tbh, ni idea
[09:00] <cornucopic> in the debian/copyright file, only the package maintainer's name should be mentioned right?
[09:02] <RAOF> cornucopic: No; that should list all the various copyright holders & the relevent licenses.
[09:02] <RAOF> cornucopic: I quite like DEP-5 http://tinyurl.com/ktmyfb - it makes for a nice structure to build a correct file.
[09:04] <cornucopic> RAOF, that looks great. thanks.
[09:31] <cornucopic> I am getting a "secret key not available" while doing dpkg-buildpackage
[09:32] <cornucopic> i have got my GPGKEY set properly..
[09:33] <fabrice_sp> cornucopic, be sure that the name in debian/changelog match the name is your key
[09:33] <fabrice_sp> s/is/in
[09:34] <cornucopic> name is same
[09:34] <etali> cornucopic: In particular, check your key for the comment part - I have my user name in the comment part, but didn't put it in the changelog and had that problem.
[09:34] <cornucopic> etali, ah yes. i have a different name there
[09:34] <cornucopic> so what should I do ?
[09:35] <cornucopic> the comment part is different than the changelog
[09:35] <etali> cornucopic: I had my key formated as "Lesley Harrison (Etali)" so just started using the whole thing in the changelog and it worked for me.
[09:35] <cornucopic> let me try that.
[09:38] <cornucopic> I get this: "can't connect to `/tmp/gpg-SJuSrC/S.gpg-agent': No such file or directory
[09:38] <cornucopic> gpg: can't connect to `/tmp/gpg-SJuSrC/S.gpg-agent': connect failed
[09:38] <cornucopic> ", though the package building seems to have passed fine
[09:40] <cornucopic> yeah, its uploading to my PPA. which means the signature verification passed!
[09:42] <etali> great :)
[09:42] <cornucopic> Thanks all :)
[09:42] <cornucopic> how long does it take for the package to "show up" in my PPA on Launchpad
[09:49] <cornucopic> this was my changelog:
[09:49] <cornucopic> pyevolve (0.6-0ubuntu1) koala; urgency=low
[09:49] <cornucopic>   * Initial release (Closes: #00)
[09:49] <cornucopic> which was rejected: "Unable to find distroseries: koala"
[09:49] <cornucopic> what should be there?
[09:50] <fabrice_sp> karmic
[09:50] <fabrice_sp> or lucid
[09:50] <cornucopic> how does this matter?
[09:50] <cornucopic> what does it mean, rather?
[09:51] <fabrice_sp> this is the exact name of the serie
[09:51] <fabrice_sp> karmic is actual one, and lucid, next development version
[09:51] <micahg> the adjective is the series, the animal is not
[09:51] <cornucopic> so is it, the series on which I have built this package on?
[09:52] <fabrice_sp> on which you will build the binaries, yes
[09:52] <cornucopic> fabrice_sp, thanks.
[09:52] <fabrice_sp> yw :-)
[09:57] <slytherin> cornucopic: it is the target release for your package.
[09:57] <cornucopic> slytherin, oh cool. thanks!
[10:01] <cornucopic> so i get: "Upload rejected because it contains binary packages."
[10:01] <cornucopic> I am following this:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Python
[10:01] <slytherin> cornucopic: what was the command you used for upload?
[10:01] <cornucopic> dput ppa:amitksaha/pyevolve <source.changes>
[10:02] <slytherin> cornucopic: what is the name of the .changes file?
[10:02] <cornucopic> pyevolve_0.6-0ubuntu1_i386.changes
[10:03] <slytherin> cornucopic: you need to upload source package only. So there must be a corresponding source.changes file in same directory.
[10:03] <cornucopic> slytherin, right. let me try
[10:31] <cornucopic> slytherin, i don't see any source.changes file. What am I doing wrong?
[10:32] <fabrice_sp> Anyone willing to have a look at fceux (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/fceux). It's a NES emulator
[10:32] <fabrice_sp> cornucopic, do you run debuild -sa -S ?
[10:33] <fabrice_sp> I'd like to have another review before uploading it
[10:33] <cornucopic> I am using dpkg-buildpackage
[10:34] <fabrice_sp> use debuild -sa -S better: it will also check your package with lintian
[10:40] <cornucopic> ah good..uploading to PPA
[10:40] <cornucopic> let's see
[11:08] <cornucopic> accepted.  Thanks a lot folks :)
[11:09] <slytherin> cornucopic: by default dpkg-buildpackage only builds binary package. You need -S -sa options to build source package.
[11:09] <cornucopic> slytherin, hmm..will note it for the future.
[13:40] <cornucopic> do I have to do anything for my package in PPA to build?
[13:55] <geser> wait
[13:55] <geser> there was a problem with the buildds that being fixed now and the buildds are now building all queued jobs
[14:07] <cornucopic> geser, ok!
[14:21] <ejat> is there any package for sun-java6 update 17 ?
[14:21] <surfzoid> directhex: Hi, have you got few minutes to give me your point of view ?
[14:24] <surfzoid> directhex: my i386 build ok but i have the same error on x86_64 machine and 2 other on 32 and 64 bit of debian : https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=Mono&project=home%3Asurfzoid%3ADebianUbuntu%3AMono
[14:26] <cornucopic> I uploaded a new package version to my PPA and I get "File pyevolve_0.6-0ubuntu1.diff.gz already exists in pyevolve, but uploaded version has different contents."
[14:26] <cornucopic> Should I bother?
[14:27] <surfzoid> delete it before upload ?
[14:27] <cornucopic> No..should I?
[14:28] <bjsnider> cornucopic, how are you naming the packages in the changelog?
[14:28] <cornucopic> bjsnider, didn't change that either..
[14:29] <geser> cornucopic: are you trying to upload the same version a second time?
[14:29] <cornucopic> geser, yes
[14:29] <bjsnider> can't do that
[14:29] <cornucopic> i had to fix a build dependency
[14:29] <cornucopic> so, I delete the earlier on?
[14:29] <cornucopic> *one?
[14:29] <geser> that won't work, every version can only be uploaded once (if you get an accepted email)
[14:29] <bjsnider> cornucopic, you should set up a pbuilder environment and take care of that stuff before you send it in to the ppa
[14:30] <cornucopic> bjsnider, hmm..this is my first time.. :(. So what can I do now?
[14:30] <directhex> surfzoid, dunno, looks weird. try it on a PPA, see if it's an opensuse build system issue?
[14:30] <geser> cornucopic: bump the version and upload then (e.g. to 0.6-0ubuntu2)
[14:30] <surfzoid> add an +1 in the rev, with an entry log like "fix dep.............
[14:30] <cornucopic> and I can delete the earlier one?
[14:30] <surfzoid> directhex: i tryed ppa but must admit it was dark for me
[14:30] <bjsnider> cornucopic, is this your package, that you created out of your software?
[14:31] <surfzoid> directhex: could you simply try my gz and dsc file on your ppa ?
[14:31] <cornucopic> bjsnider, not my software, but one I contribute to. And yeah, I am creating the package
[14:31] <cornucopic> bjsnider, I will be the maintainer..
[14:31] <bjsnider> cornucopic, and there isn't a debian package of this yet?
[14:31] <cornucopic> bjsnider, no
[14:31] <bjsnider> and there isn't an ubuntu package...
[14:31] <geser> cornucopic: you can delete your previous upload but this won't help you as LP remembers the version you last uploaded
[14:32] <cornucopic> bjsnider, no
[14:32] <cornucopic> geser, hmm.
[14:32] <bjsnider> so i would take the "ubuntux" string off the name and replace it with ~ppax
[14:32] <bjsnider> where x is a number
[14:33] <surfzoid> cornucopic: increase your number version with an entry log like "fix dep........ ?
[14:33] <cornucopic> my ppa is named as pyevolve. so I can use that I would guess.
[14:34] <bjsnider> i would name the package pyevolve-0.6-0~ppa1
[14:36] <bjsnider> cornucopic, but it would be better to use pbuilder to resolve dependency issues and build issues. there's an ubuntu wiki page that explains how to set it up and use it. after it builds in pbuilder send it in to the ppa
[14:37] <cornucopic> bjsnider, cool. I will take care of if this time on.  It wasn't mentioned anywhere till now. what does it do/not do?
[14:47] <ari-tczew> is someone alive? :-D
[14:47] <ari-tczew> btw. happy new year 2o1o
[14:48] <bjsnider> cornucopic, it builds the dpkg source based on the orig tarball, so that when you upload the changes file to the ppa, that tarball goes with it. then, if you have to make minor revisions or improvements, you can run debuild -S -sd and it will upload only the changes you've made, not the whole source code.
[14:50] <cornucopic> hmm..looks like i did the correct thing unknowingly:)
[14:50] <cornucopic> thanks.
[14:51] <ari-tczew> needs to open task on hardy by someone from MOTU; bug 481631
[14:53] <DktrKranz> ari-tczew: only hardy?
[14:55] <cornucopic> ok, so I have done 'sudo pbuilder create --debootstrapopts --variant=buildd
[14:55] <cornucopic> '
[14:55] <cornucopic> and its completed
[14:55] <cornucopic> now, how I can a test the build of my package?
[14:56] <bjsnider> sudo pbuilder build <filename>.dsc
[14:58] <cornucopic> naice!
[14:58] <cornucopic> learnt so many things in a day!
[14:58] <cornucopic> not a bad start to the new year:)
[14:58] <bjsnider> but that knowledge has pushed out things you already knew...
[14:58] <bjsnider> such as how to eat and walk
[14:58] <cornucopic> i walked a bit, didn't eat much:)
[15:01] <ari-tczew> DktrKranz, yes only hardy
[15:02] <DktrKranz> ari-tczew: done
[15:03] <ari-tczew> thanks
[15:18] <cornucopic> Bye all for now thanks a ton to all of ya!
[16:12] <RainCT> Can somebody tell me what's the "incoming =" line in dput.cf for PPAs?
[16:16] <micahg> RainCT: it's what PPA you're uploading to
[16:16] <micahg> https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA/Uploading
[16:16] <porthose> RainCT, ~<your account>/ppa/ubuntu
[16:17] <RainCT> nah, was looking for "~%(ppa)s/ubuntu", but thanks :)
[16:17] <RainCT> but it seems like Debian doesn't support this.. :/
[17:40] <surfzoid> directhex: i m back home, so can yu please try my files in your ppa area ?
[17:40] <directhex> surfzoid, built fine on my amd64 sid ppa
[17:40] <directhex> um, pbuilder
[17:41] <surfzoid> so we can conclude, OBS have a very large problem ?
[17:42] <surfzoid> directhex: you have an idea, why debian don't find the linked file ?
[17:42] <directhex> surfzoid, well, it works for me in a debian test build, so...
[17:43] <surfzoid> localy ?
[17:43] <directhex> yeah
[17:44] <surfzoid> so i guess the conf file of OBS miss an essencial pkg wich contain this file
[17:50] <surfzoid> directhex: is there a possible switch after -S to add the missing buildrequiere pkg in the dsc file ?
[17:51] <directhex> surfzoid, there is nothing missing that i can see. it works in a fresh sid pbuilder.
[17:53] <surfzoid> directhex: ho yeah, i don't see that, the problem is not anymore the missing file but a libtool and permission problem
[17:54] <directhex> surfzoid, possibly OBS has an out-of-date sid repo, there were libtool problems recently
[19:04] <diwic> crimsun: is it on purpose that current Lucid pulseaudio does not release unused ALSA devices the way Karmic does?
[19:08] <crimsun> diwic: eh? Sure it does.
[19:09] <diwic> crimsun: I'm in Karmic now, but when I tested Lucid earlier today, I saw it (with fuser -v) having control over my HDMI output, AFAIK without using it.
[19:10] <crimsun> control as in /dev/snd/controlC* ?
[19:10] <diwic> as in /dev/snd/pcm*
[19:10] <crimsun> it will only hold on to it if some stream is active through it
[19:11] <crimsun> was g-v-c or pavucontrol doing something with the device?
[19:12] <crimsun> hmm
[19:12] <diwic> crimsun: I'll do some additional research and file a bug if necessary the next time I'm in Lucid. I just needed to know if it wasn't on purpose
[19:12] <crimsun> see changeset ef18beded8ddbaafdf4914bab209f77e60ae3a18 in sound-2.6, too
[19:12] <crimsun> 'ALSA: hda - HDMI sticky stream tag support'
[19:13] <diwic> with the talk of mic spying I was afraid it was a feature
[19:13] <crimsun> don't ascribe to maliciousness what is simple incompetence
[19:22] <diwic> crimsun: thanks for being around :-)
[20:00] <surfzoid> directhex: a guy of OBS team answer me "it's not OBS's libtool. It's the libtool that mono ships that gets used." i m loose !
[20:00] <directhex> well, relibtoolize.
[20:01] <surfzoid> how ?
[20:02] <surfzoid> directhex: i don't how thats work to relibtoolize
[20:04] <directhex> autoreconf -f -i -s ?
[20:06] <directhex> dunno. it's DEFINITELY building in a sid pbuilder.
[20:09] <surfzoid> directhex: that s an infinite loop, the guy say same thing, add autoreconf -f -i, i saw yu already do that and i added it again after the dh_clean section
[20:13] <directhex> surfzoid, well, there's nothing more for me to say. it builds in a debian pbuilder. there's something "bad" about the "doltlibtool" command being executed
[20:16] <surfzoid> directhex: jut for info about the wall am i now, the answer of the OBS guy : "it's not OBS's libtool. It's the libtool that mono ships that gets used."
[20:16] <surfzoid> :-)
[20:16] <directhex> surfzoid, so? how many bloody times do i need to say it builds on debian? :/
[20:16] <surfzoid> from #opensuse-buildservice
[20:17] <surfzoid> directhex: hey, i say "for info", thousand thanks for your help
[20:17] <surfzoid> i understand and i am agree with you
[20:17] <ScottK> surfzoid: OBS is more than a little off topic here in any case.
[20:17] <surfzoid> but that s a common situation where both....
[20:17] <surfzoid> yes
[20:19] <directhex> ScottK, however, unlike ppa's, it supports building for non-ubuntu distros. which is potentially useful
[20:19] <ScottK> directhex: True, but still OT.
[23:44] <crimsun> the progress of this build, thanks to colored CMake output, is really depressing
[23:53] <RAOF> Why are discs so SLOWWWWW‽  Or: why must pbuilder suck.
[23:53] <crimsun> I need a build farm.
[23:54] <jmarsden> RAOF: Creating your pbuilder in a ramdisk helps with the speed issue :)
[23:54] <RAOF> Yeah; I should be doing this on my laptop with just such a setup.
[23:54] <crimsun> see, using tmpfs for it would only help a negligible amount
[23:55] <crimsun> setup and teardown is dwarfed by the compilation. e.g., VTK has wrappers for everything
[23:55] <wgrant> RAOF: Why not use sbuild with LVM snapshots?
[23:57] <RAOF> wgrant: I probably should set that up on this lappy.  On the other one, it's a fight between building-on-ramdisk for pbuilder and faster setup/teardown for sbuild.


[02:04] -queuebot:#edubuntu- Builds: Edubuntu Desktop amd64 [Mantic Daily] has been updated (20230507)


[17:47] <_MMA_> Call me crazy, but if I have multiple layers in GIMP and erase something on 1 layer, shouldn't I see the layer below?
[17:52] <thorwil> _MMA_: crazy
[17:52] <_MMA_> ;)
[17:52] <thorwil> _MMA_: check: there is a layer below, it is visible, it has content in that area
[17:53] <thorwil> _MMA_: you do not have a selection that interferes with erasing in that area
[17:53] <_MMA_> Nope.
[17:53] <thorwil> _MMA_: there is no layer mask that might get in the way. you are working on the layer, not the mask
[17:54] <thorwil> _MMA_: you are actually using the eraser tool
[17:54] <thorwil> _MMA_: you are in fact working with gimp
[17:55] <_MMA_> Yeah. (to all) :)
[17:55] <thorwil> mouse and keyboard are connected, the pc is plugged in and turned on
[17:55] <_MMA_> I even turned it off and on again.
[17:56] <thorwil> _MMA_: you checked all layers in between?
[17:56] <_MMA_> Just the 4.
[17:56] <thorwil> _MMA_: can you make that file available?
[17:57] <_MMA_> thorwil: I could, but for now I just worked around it. I'll dig more later.
[17:57] <thorwil> recently my dad complained that the stereo in the kitchen turned into mono. i checked the speaker cabling on both ends before i thought of the balance fader ... :)
[17:58] <kwwii> lol
[17:58] <_MMA_> hahah. I kinda did that the other day!  :P
[17:59] <kwwii> :D
[18:00] <Superdweeb> I've noticed an error with compiz on see?
[18:00] <Superdweeb> standard effects.
[18:00] <Superdweeb> you run firefox see?
[18:00] <Superdweeb> click on any menu and the menu will , erm , work, but the entry for the menu is blanked out.
[18:00] <_MMA_> thorwil: I set a box for the kids to watch movies. Turned it on, sound was wrong. ie: was missing a channel. Spent 2hrs going through ALSA stuff before I checked the cables. They had a short. :P
[18:04] <Superdweeb> guiz
[18:04] <Superdweeb> I've got this weird request
[18:05] <Superdweeb> see, I've never made this request, and I've been troubled by this issue since about, erm, 4.10.
[18:05] <Superdweeb> when you resize a gnome panel so it's only part, it has these thingies on the end
[18:05] <Superdweeb> with the braille on them
[18:05] <Superdweeb> and if you make your panel transparent, well those thingies are really ugly
[18:05] <Superdweeb> because they stay grey.
[18:05] <Superdweeb> I want to be rid of them ,but I don't know how to delete them.
[18:06] <Superdweeb> This IS AN IMPORTANT APPEARANCE MODIFICATION
[18:06] <Superdweeb> you guys worked magic with the rounded window corners
[18:06] <Superdweeb> And the new color theme is nothing less than perfection
[18:06] <_MMA_> Superdweeb: No. It;s a preference.I believe you can hack them out of the theme.
[18:06] <Superdweeb> HOW?
[18:07] <Superdweeb> those little stubs are as annoying as can be, and I have NEVER found a way to be rid of them
[18:08] <Superdweeb> the appearance panel needs to have a tab marked hacks , where users can turn on or off window corners, border width, gnome panel stuff like those little thingies, stuff like that.
[18:08] <_MMA_> Superdweeb: I certainly ain't gonna do it for ya. I got my own stuff to work on. But I'm 90% positive you can get rid of the "handles" in some fashion.
[18:08] <Superdweeb> Hey, I got lots of ideas that are stupid, but those handles have got to go.
[18:08] <_MMA_> Time for you to make it happen them. ;)
[18:08] <_MMA_> *then
[18:09] <Superdweeb> good one.
[18:09] <Superdweeb> I don't even know where to look.
[18:10] <Superdweeb> you people need to make an exporting utility for themes.
[18:10] <Superdweeb> not a save-as, an exporter to make a tar file with everything included.
[18:10] <Superdweeb> in fact, sabayon needs similar.
[18:10] <Superdweeb> people that want to customize tons of copies of ubuntu at once need a way to let the user do the modifications without re-building a release ISO.
[18:10] <_MMA_> Oh god. Please ask questions before you make assumptions about what we do here.
[18:10]  * _MMA_ points to topic.
[18:11] <Superdweeb> yes.
[18:11] <Superdweeb> artwork.
[18:11] <Superdweeb> you've got awesome artwork.
[18:11] <Superdweeb> sorry for trollin.
[18:11] <_MMA_> *community*
[18:11] <_MMA_> We do nothing with the technicals in Ubuntu or GNOME.
[18:11] <Superdweeb> well, you aut to annoy them a bit.
[18:12] <_MMA_> Well that's 1 way *you* can help. :)
[18:12] <Superdweeb> behdad estabod slipped a whole shit load of bugs into fedora ten, I'm glad jaunty will be released AFTER the patches were applied *shudders*
[18:13] <Superdweeb> GtkTheme=New Wave
[18:14] <Superdweeb> so I need a copy of the tar for the new wave theme
[18:18] <zniavre> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/New+Wave?content=87134
[18:18] <Superdweeb> thanks!
[18:19] <Superdweeb> Wait
[18:19] <Superdweeb> SUPER
[18:19] <Superdweeb> I didn't think ubuntu stuff got uploaded to places like that
[21:02] <nysosym> hi there :)
[21:02] <SiDi> hello
[21:11] <SiDi> I think it is
[21:11] <nysosym> hmm ok, but it doesn't match with the rest
[21:12] <SiDi> I think it goes really well with the Miu community theme
[21:12] <SiDi> and with human reprise, too
[21:38] <dashua> SiDi: I agree ;)
[21:38] <dashua> bzr branch lp:~dashua/murrine-themes/Ubuntu-Testing
[21:38] <SiDi> heya dashua :)
[21:38] <dashua> Added a higher contrast version and a few other tweaks if you want to test ;)
[21:38] <dashua> Hey mate
[21:39] <SiDi> dashua: is there a way to convince you to make a Human Reprise version with dark panels ? :P my gtk skills are not very high
[21:39] <SiDi> i'm gonna test this in a while, yeh
[21:39] <SiDi> right now, trying to get my jabber account working ^^
[21:39] <dashua> Sure. not hard
[21:39] <dashua> I'll make a mod for you
[21:40] <SiDi> Thanks :)
[21:40] <dashua> Np
[21:42] <SiDi> hm btw, i still have white toolbar text in firefox with this new human reprise version
[21:42] <SiDi> beginning to wonder if it doesnt come from me, or from intrepid+firefox+murrineSVN
[21:44] <SiDi> I like the new scrollbar, but i prefer the previous scrollbar-arrows, they had more details when being hovered :p
[21:49] <dashua> SiDi: Dark panel version committed.
[21:50] <dashua> SiDi: Arrows = steppers?
[21:50] <SiDi> Yeh
[21:50] <SiDi> i liked the fact that they were going brown when clicked, and the fact that they were fully bordered
[21:51] <dashua> Try changing stepperstyle = 2 in the gtkrc
[21:51] <dashua> See if that's what you mean
[21:52] <SiDi> Okies, sec
[21:52] <SiDi> Nice
[21:52] <SiDi> was that
[21:53] <SiDi> Well thanks :P
[21:53] <dashua> Np
[21:56] <SiDi> Thanks for the theme :)
[21:57] <SiDi> btw, still using Miu's metacity ?
[21:59] <dashua> SiDi: pull again, forgot something on the dark panels
[21:59] <dashua> Not really
[21:59] <dashua> I kind of abandoned it
[22:00] <SiDi> Is there a way to get tarballs from launchpad's web interface, btw ?
[22:00] <SiDi> bzr branch is awefully slow :p
[22:00] <dashua> Try bzr pull
[22:00] <dashua> It's usually pretty fast
[22:01] <dashua> Not sure how to do it
[22:01] <SiDi> Damn i need to go :(
[22:01] <SiDi> i'm in a public wifi room and they close it at eleven pm T_T
[22:02] <SiDi> i'll download that theme later, thanks again and have a nice evening dashua ;)
[22:02] <dashua> You too, c ya
[22:31] <kwwii> re


[08:14] <Lanathel> elky: you wouldnt explain that ban?
[08:16] <elky> you threatened to ctcp someone after numerous instructions to not do that and a prior kick for doing it anyway.
[08:16] <elky> your behaviour isn't welcome.
[08:17] <Lanathel> ctcp is part of irc protocol, it is not a threat
[08:18] <elky> excuse me, i'm going to proceed to laugh at you now.
[08:18] <Lanathel> elky, you can laugh, but... i think thats rude
[08:18] <Lanathel> to ban people because they use IRC
[08:18] <Lanathel> because they ask
[08:19] <Lanathel> because they saying their opinion that differs from yours
[08:19] <elky> our sandpit, our rules.
[08:20] <elky> there's plenty of other internet out there if you want to ctcp people. might i suggest finding a channel full of staff, say like #freenode?
[08:20] <Lanathel> fine, do you represent ubuntu community and ubuntu women community?
[08:20] <nigelb> Well, part of the protocol doesnt mean you can just do it.
[08:20] <nigelb> Just because you have the freedom to talk doesn't mean you can swear all the time
[08:20] <elky> nigelb, death is part of life, go on and death people!
[08:20] <nigelb> heh
[08:21] <elky> hmm, that doesn't sound right, does it...
[08:21] <Lanathel> what if others will be like that about "sandpits"?
[08:21] <AlanBell> Lanathel: in what way were you intending to contribute to the project?
[08:21] <elky> go ctcp #freenode and get back to me
[08:21] <Lanathel> elky: i havent ctcp'ed channel
[08:22] <Lanathel> make a difference please
[08:22] <Lanathel> Its been privately sent
[08:22] <elky> go ctcp staff, or threaten to ctcp staff.
[08:22] <Lanathel> "threaten ctcp@
[08:22] <Lanathel> that sounds
[08:22] <Lanathel> any physical harm done?
[08:22] <elky> how about you check the definition of "to threaten"
[08:23] <valorie> oh, for pity's sake
[08:23] <elky> valorie, i dunno, apparently the logging here is supposed to keep the trolls out
[08:23] <Lanathel> AlanBell: considnering what is happening here - sorry, only depopularizarion
[08:24] <Lanathel> elky: so every person that ask things that you're diasgree is a troll?
[08:24] <AlanBell> Lanathel: I am curious why you joined the channel, I am in about 60 or so, all of which are channels I am interested in
[08:24] <AlanBell> I don't think I would join a channel that I had no interest in participating in
[08:24] <Lanathel> AlanBell: I'm here about a month or so
[08:24] <Lanathel> You havent asked before
[08:25] <valorie> I explained before that when someone politely explains that something is rude, and then you deliberately do it anyway, THAT is rude
[08:25] <valorie> and doing it repeatedly, is trollish, yes
[08:25] <Lanathel> valorie: maybe
[08:25] <valorie> no, not maybe
[08:25] <valorie> precisely
[08:25] <Lanathel> You always accuse people for being trolls?
[08:26] <elky> when they troll, yes.
[08:26] <valorie> I've never accused anyone of being a troll, actually
[08:26] <valorie> and what I did was describe your trollish behavior
[08:26] <Lanathel> sorry... when you see trolls in everyone, perhaps you are looking in a mirror then
[08:26] <valorie> every word you say now is branding you publicly as a troll
[08:27] <valorie> lol
[08:27] <Lanathel> I considner this is rude to me
[08:27] <valorie> hahahahaha
[08:27] <Lanathel> and your laugh too
[08:27] <valorie> no you're funny
[08:27] <valorie> I mean now
[08:27] <elky> booooooooooooored
[08:28] <valorie> heh
[08:28]  * darkrose pets elky
[08:28] <valorie> I needed a little laugh
[08:28] <elky> it'll be back
[08:28]  * valorie hands elky a rose
[08:28] <valorie> no thorns
[08:28] <valorie> :-)
[08:29]  * darkrose has a mental image of Morticia
[08:29] <darkrose> Addams cutting the flowers off the roses so there's just thorns
[08:36] <valorie> oh my gosh, I loved that tv series
[08:37] <valorie> when I was young
[08:37] <valorie> "mind if I smoke?"
[08:37] <valorie> just lovely
[08:39]  * darkrose has the entire series on dvd
[08:48] <valorie> nice
[08:57]  * nigelb would loce to borrow it from darkrose some time :)
[08:57] <nigelb> errr *love
[18:01] <pleia2> meeting in 2 hours :)
[20:00] <IdleOne> meeting?
[20:00] <AlanBell> o/
[20:01] <IdleOne> o/
[20:01]  * IdleOne pokes pleia2
[20:02] <pleia2> yep :)
[20:02] <pleia2> sorry, was just getting off the phone w/ boss
[20:02] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[20:02] <Mootbot-UK> Meeting started at 20:02. The chair is pleia2.
[20:02] <Mootbot-UK> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [PROGRESS REPORT], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[20:02] <pleia2> Welcome to the meeting!
[20:02] <IdleOne> tell him more important things are going on, his company/clients can wait
[20:02] <AlanBell> o/
[20:02] <pleia2> [LINK] http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/December2010/Agenda
[20:02] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Meetings/December2010/Agenda
[20:03]  * IdleOne o/
[20:03] <pleia2> so we haven't had a meeting since UDS
[20:03] <Pici> wow
[20:03] <jledbetter> True
[20:04] <pleia2> we had 2 sessions there, one on mentoring specifically and one on our general goals for the cycle
[20:04] <pleia2> the mentoring one focused on two goals 1) Rewriting our mentoring docs with a proper team (last cycle it was just me and the task was overwhelming) 2) partnering with other teams within ubuntu to provide a better mentorship program
[20:05] <pleia2> blueprint here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/ubuntutheproject-community-n-ubuntu-women-mentor-partnerships
[20:05] <elky> ohai
[20:05] <pleia2> hey elky :)
[20:05] <elky> apparently i have to leave the country to get to this timeslot
[20:05] <pleia2> the goals session outlined the new website plans and plans for contests in the new cycle, blueprint here: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/ubuntutheproject-community-n-ubuntu-women-project-goals
[20:05] <pleia2> yeah, this timeslot is for EU and US (it's noon here in california)
[20:06] <pleia2> this meeting is primarily to do a quick status update for the team on progress on these blueprints
[20:06] <pleia2> any comments about UDS before we move on?
[20:07] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Natty Blueprints progress: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/ubuntutheproject-community-n-ubuntu-women-project-goals
[20:07] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Natty Blueprints progress: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/ubuntutheproject-community-n-ubuntu-women-project-goals
[20:08] <pleia2> I spoke with Pendulum this week regarding getting elky's theme (implemented on wiki by alanbell) reviewed for accessibility, she has to touch base with some collaborators and will go from there
[20:08] <pleia2> the contests are next year, so I doubt we have any update on those, elky?
[20:09] <elky> not yet, i've spent 4 of the past 6 weeks travelling
[20:09] <elky> hai from nz!
[20:09] <nigelb> o/
[20:09] <gazelle> gazelle
[20:09] <pleia2> ok cool
[20:09] <AlanBell> one contest or two?
[20:09] <elky> one
[20:10] <elky> two was ... too much.
[20:10] <elky> but essentially two, but at the same time
[20:10] <gazelle> I am new to this really completely lost
[20:10] <AlanBell> hi gazelle, you are doing fine
[20:10] <pleia2> gazelle: welcome :) we're just doing updates on progress on our goals
[20:11] <IdleOne> welcome gazelle
[20:11] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Natty Blueprints progress: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/ubuntutheproject-community-n-ubuntu-women-mentor-partnerships
[20:11] <gazelle> interesting i'll stay on thanks
[20:11] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Natty Blueprints progress: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-women.org/+spec/ubuntutheproject-community-n-ubuntu-women-mentor-partnerships
[20:12] <pleia2> I spoke with Michelle on Mentoring a few days ago, I'm in the "gathering notes" phase of this, and plan to have some drafts to review with MichelleQ and czajkowski in a week or so
[20:12] <pleia2> MichelleQ is also still getting to know the beginners team with cprofitt to identify some key mentors from that team
[20:13] <pleia2> so we're making progress :)
[20:13] <IdleOne> good job
[20:13] <pleia2> any comments about mentoring? questions?
[20:14] <AlanBell> how is this going to be outwardly visible?
[20:14] <gazelle> gazelle My first time to be home to participate. I have no clue about all this .
[20:14] <AlanBell> to get new mentees as yet unknown to the project?
[20:14] <pleia2> AlanBell: same way it is now, our wiki (soon to be our main page) has a mentoring link
[20:15] <pleia2> but the docs will actually be updated with whatever we decide is the best method for pairing mentors with mentees (a shared email address they can contact, probably)
[20:15] <AlanBell> which do we need more of, mentors or mentees?
[20:15] <pleia2> we're working on building partnerships with existing mentoring projects, so hopefully it'll be mentees that we need more of
[20:16] <AlanBell> great
[20:16] <pleia2> currently we manually pair people up who come on IRC and say "I want to learn about bugs, show me how"
[20:17] <pleia2> we're mostly documenting that and making it more scalable
[20:17] <jledbetter> I'm a new member on BT and Cheri703 is working on it.
[20:17] <pleia2> cool, maybe jledbetter can be one of our BT mentors ;)
[20:17] <gazelle> gazelle  I would love to be paired as a mentee for sure
[20:18] <pleia2> gazelle: great!
[20:18] <jledbetter> pleia2, In time ;)
[20:18] <gazelle> gazelle what do I need to do then?
[20:18] <pleia2> gazelle: we can talk after the meeting about your interests to see if we can get you a mentor :)
[20:18] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Full Circle Magazine monthly column - we need more volunteers
[20:18] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Full Circle Magazine monthly column - we need more volunteers
[20:18] <gazelle> gazelle got it sorry!
[20:19] <pleia2> this year Pendulum and issyl0 worked to get FCM columns to me each much, but Pendulum had to step down and issyl0 has been quite busy these past few months
[20:20] <pleia2> I've pulled together articles for last month and this, and have two interviews in the queue for january and february, but beyond that I need more help
[20:20] <jledbetter> How many words?
[20:20] <pleia2> 350-1500, but even that is flexible
[20:20] <pleia2> http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/FullCircleMagazine
[20:20] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/FullCircleMagazine
[20:21] <pleia2> we've done a lot of interviews, so continuing those would be fun, but articles are good too
[20:21] <jledbetter> Oh, great! We can edit the page now
[20:21] <pleia2> last month I did one on the 5% milestone, this month will be one from the Italian Ubuntu Women folks who have been doing a lot of collaboration with other projects in their community
[20:21] <pleia2> yeah, I finally got IS to remove the block the other day :)
[20:22] <pleia2> all pages should be editable by logged in users now
[20:23] <pleia2> now, even if you don't want to take Pen or Issy's place as a coordinator, if you have an idea for an article please let me know
[20:23] <pleia2> and if you do want to be responsible for finding articles/doing interviews, that'd be awesome :)
[20:24] <pleia2> [TOPIC] Announcements
[20:24] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Announcements
[20:24] <pleia2> the only one I have is what I posted to the list this morning
[20:24] <pleia2> D-W Training Sessions:"Bug Tracking System usage: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-women/2010-December/003080.html
[20:25]  * zkriesse missed the meeting didn't he
[20:25] <pleia2> the Debian Women team has been doing these IRC classes over on irc.oftc.net in #debian-women
[20:25] <pleia2> Ubuntu uses Launchpad for bug tracking, but Debian has its own Bug Tracking System that looks pretty complicated at first glance, so this session would be great for anyone who wants it demystified :)
[20:26] <jledbetter> Neat
[20:26] <AlanBell> the one on packaging was very good
[20:26] <pleia2> yeah, they have all their past ones linked up on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWomen/TrainingSessions
[20:27] <pleia2> anyone else have anything before we wrap up the meeting?
[20:29] <IdleOne> Thanks for the updates pleia2 :)
[20:29] <nigelb> o/
[20:29] <gazelle> gazelle I am the one whoallowed your 5 % milestone & would like to get invoolve & understand more TY
[20:29] <nigelb> The classroom team is planning for UUD and if anyone wants to take a session, get in touch with one of us in #ubuntu-classroom-backstage
[20:30] <pleia2> thanks nigelb :)
[20:30] <nigelb> :)
[20:31] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[20:31] <Mootbot-UK> Meeting finished at 20:31.
[20:31] <elky> wheee
[20:31] <elky> <3 pleia2
[20:31] <jledbetter> Thank you pleia2  :)
[20:31] <pleia2> gazelle: great! will you be around a bit later or have an email address I can email? I need to run out to a lunch meeting
[20:31] <pleia2> (the client JUST texted me saying he had a free window for meeting 15 minutes from now, ack!)
[20:31] <gazelle> Liche<EMAIL_ADDRESS>MercI!!
[20:32] <AlanBell> gazelle: you are Hajni?
[20:33] <gazelle> Sorry what is Hajni?
[20:34] <elky> the person whose membership got us past 5%
[20:34] <AlanBell> oh, the person who tipped it over to 5%
[20:35] <gazelle> Do you need my name? Ubuntu women had told me that I was the one re their 5% reaching are we talking about same?
[20:35] <AlanBell> gazelle: don't need your name
[20:36] <AlanBell> the 5% thing is a specific group of people who have been made Ubuntu Members though a particular process
[20:36] <issyl0> pleia2: :)
[20:36] <gazelle> so when I did join Ubuntu women I received this message from Elizabeth.
[20:36] <AlanBell> gazelle: great to have you along though
[20:37] <issyl0> pleia2: thanks :)
[20:37] <AlanBell> !member
[20:37] <ubot4> Want to become an Ubuntu member? Look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[20:37] <gazelle> Yes it isa great process look forward to be able to help one day!
[20:37] <AlanBell> and http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/UbuntuMembers
[20:38] <gazelle> Just have to allow more time to all of this.
[20:40] <AlanBell> gazelle: why don't you join the #ubuntu-women channel too, there is more chat in  there generally
[20:41] <elky> Ok, if you've figured it out, please don't bust her bubble. she'll work it out for herself quietly :)
[22:03] <valorie> o/
[22:03]  * valorie reads up, sorry I'm late
[22:07] <valorie> dang, good meeting!
[22:08] <jledbetter> Hi valorie  :)
[22:09] <MichelleQ1> I'm sorry I missed the meeting.  Dang flu.
[22:09] <jledbetter> MichelleQ1, I hope you feel better soon!
[22:09] <MichelleQ1> me too.  This is for the birds!


[07:16] <zkriesse> hello mistrynitesh
[07:34] <mistrynitesh> hey zkriesse ... sorry, didn't notice
[07:50] <zkriesse> lol
[07:50] <zkriesse> It's ok
[07:50] <zkriesse> I didn't notice you reply so we're even mistrynitesh
[07:51] <mistrynitesh> yo! so whats the matter?
[07:51] <zkriesse> Nothing
[07:51] <zkriesse> I was saying hellp
[07:52] <zkriesse> "hello"
[07:52] <mistrynitesh> okay
[07:52] <zkriesse> So "Hello"
[07:52] <zkriesse> lol
[07:52] <mistrynitesh> Hi!
[07:52] <zkriesse> Sorry if that bothered
[07:52] <mistrynitesh> :D
[07:52] <mistrynitesh> not at all
[07:52] <zkriesse> Argh I can't type tonight!!!
[07:53] <mistrynitesh> I was about to say good morning
[07:53] <zkriesse> lol
[07:53] <zkriesse> It's 2 am for me
[07:53] <zkriesse> Ok I'm off to play some urban terror/then bed
[07:54] <mistrynitesh> see you later then
[17:38] <leagris> Hello, what is the official acceptable policy about promoting and providing other support chat services for ubuntu? I joined a jabber.org channel that was created by an individual. Would it be appropriate to spread word about it and have it documented somewhere in community wiki? It is an XMPP protocl chat users can join with telepathy or pidgin here xmpp://conference.jabber.org/ubuntu


[00:17] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Ubuntu 20.10 Beta is Now Available to Download @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/10/ubuntu-20-10-beta-download (by Joey Sneddon)
[00:31] <guiverc> I've found 20.10 (Groovy Gorilla) Final Beta released : https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2020-October/000262.html; I'll publish to fridge if wanted, I think worthwhile but I'm not sure that important
[00:34] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Will also list on Gdoc - speaking of which: official Ubuntu Membership! - Taihsiang Ho. I can not find a good source, will you see what you can find ?
[00:35] <guiverc> For sure groovy-beta is UWN material, my prior comment was fridge specific. I think it's key in UWN
[00:35] <guiverc> ack on Taihsiang Ho
[00:40] <guiverc> Bashing-om, what detail do you want?  Rudra & Maik have wiki/launchpad, are you after detail like that so all have the same?
[00:42] <guiverc> or a non-news-team url?
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[01:02] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Generally I expect a similar link: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/2020-September/002925.html also for Taihsiang Ho. Nope all we have is a gmail link - do not want to use that. The other 3 member nofifications I can change to the specific lists.ubuntu.com/ link if I can seperate out Taihsiang Ho.
[01:05] <guiverc> okay, I see the issue now...
[01:08] <Bashing-om> guiverc: And LTS: I have seen one instance of the path as open, but, still not found an official announcement; Have you seen anything ?
[01:09] <guiverc> LTS?
[01:09] <Bashing-om> guiverc: the path 18.04 20.04 release upgrade :D
[01:10] <guiverc> okay... yeah I did but not sure worthy, will see if I can recall where..
[01:11] <Bashing-om> guiverc: That ^ was via  AskUbuntu member citation.
[01:14] <guiverc> yeah it may have been askubu that I was remembering, Ian/user535353 (or something like that), hub still says disabled :( & sil2100 left 90+ mins back; sent a PM asking for update..
[01:25] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Good man :D
[01:47] <guiverc> nah sorry I'm not finding anything on either (18.04, Taihsiang Ho membership)
[01:51] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Thanks for the looking . will leave the new Members section then as is :(
[12:47] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Studio: Ubuntu Studio 20.10 Beta (Groovy Gorilla) Released @ http://ubuntustudio.org/2020/10/ubuntu-studio-20-10-beta-groovy-gorilla-released/
[17:04] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::OMG!Ubuntu:: Fix Spotify Video Podcasts Not Working on Ubuntu Linux @ https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/10/spotify-video-podcast-not-working-linux-fix (by Joey Sneddon)
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