[12:12] <Crazytales2> neuratix: ping
[12:13] <neuratix> are you using xgl or something?
[12:16] <Crazytales2> i don't know
[12:16] <Crazytales2> I'm using whatever downloading the nvidia binary drivers got me.
[12:22] <Crazytales2> !slune
[12:23] <ubotu> slune: 3D racing and car-crashing game. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.12-1 (edgy), package size 10441 kB, installed size 25828 kB
[03:13] <mwalsh> ok here
[03:13] <mnoir> this is a public place for longer discussions
[03:14] <mwalsh> i see
[03:14] <mnoir> that others might want to see and also used as a lecture hall :)
[03:14] <mwalsh> ok
[03:14] <mnoir> you want to start?
[03:14] <mwalsh> so big problems on the ubuntu front lol
[03:14] <mwalsh> yessir
[03:14] <mnoir> first - is your hardware fairly modern?  very new? odd in any way?
[03:15] <mwalsh> built my rig in november, its really nice yes
[03:15] <mnoir> ok - very new
[03:15] <mnoir> you know what a bathtub curve is?
[03:15] <mwalsh> no.
[03:15] <mnoir> a statistical thingie that says in this case
[03:16] <mnoir> that the very old and the very new hardware
[03:16] <mnoir> are more prone to problems than the medium :)
[03:16] <kiamo> lol
[03:16] <kiamo> how did it get its name...
[03:16] <mnoir> looks loke the cross section of an old fashioned bathtub
[03:17] <mnoir> actually plots hardware failures
[03:17] <mwalsh> i dont think this is a hardware based problem yet
[03:17] <mnoir> mwalsh: the reason i mention it is cuz you mentioned HAL problems
[03:17] <mwalsh> mhm
[03:17] <mwalsh> which stands for
[03:17] <mwalsh> that wasnt the only problem im having though
[03:17] <mnoir> but we hold that point until evidence shows :)
[03:18] <mnoir> ok - maybe i should let you list like the 5 big problems, i will not comment yet :)
[03:18] <mwalsh> ok
[03:18] <mwalsh> 1. Failed to initialize HAL On startup
[03:19] <mwalsh> 2. WHen I try to play movies it says TOtem could not start up cannot open resource for writing
[03:19] <mwalsh> 3. MY external hard drive only shows up when i do the ctrl. alt. backspace thing
[03:19] <mwalsh> 4. My other internal hard drive wont show up at all
[03:19] <mwalsh> 5. NOt all needed resolutions are listed and teh sound card isnt recognized.
[03:20] <mnoir> 6.06 or 6.10 ?
[03:20] <mwalsh> 6.10
[03:20] <eternalswd> one thing, need to check if dbus is running, also is this a dist-upgrade or fresh?
[03:20] <mwalsh> fresh
[03:20] <mnoir> have you tried 6.06
[03:20] <mnoir> ?
[03:20] <mwalsh> nah, last one i used was hoary
[03:20] <mwalsh> lol
[03:20] <mnoir> how good are you in unix?
[03:21] <mnoir> just a question....
[03:21] <mnoir> :)
[03:21] <mwalsh> im a windows person, complete nub at unix
[03:21] <mnoir> k :)
[03:21] <mnoir> lets take the easy ones first
[03:21] <eternalswd> for reference, http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17876
[03:21] <mwalsh> lets.
[03:22] <mnoir> eternalswd: ref to which #?
[03:22] <eternalswd> 1.
[03:22] <mnoir> ok - can i investigate 4 first?
[03:22] <mwalsh> sure
[03:22] <eternalswd> no problem.  might want to check and see if dbus-daemon is runnning on his computer though, just a thought
[03:22] <mnoir> for 4 what kind of filesystem(s), what have you done to try to see them?
[03:22] <mwalsh> aah why cant i scroll up?
[03:23] <mwalsh> ok
[03:23] <mnoir> eternalswd: i was thinking - could this affect the other problems?
[03:23] <eternalswd> possibly
[03:23] <mwalsh> uh the hard drive is ntfs
[03:23] <mnoir> ok - short time on 4 then you get to lead on 1 :)
[03:23] <mnoir> ok?
[03:24] <eternalswd> yep
[03:24] <kiamo> mnoir, please can you help me after :D
[03:24] <mnoir> ok - mwalsh - what have you done to try to see your ntfs drive?
[03:25] <mwalsh> i cried
[03:25] <mnoir> did you see it during install?
[03:25] <mwalsh> yes
[03:25] <mnoir> uncle bill doesn't care if you cried :)
[03:25] <mwalsh> yeah
[03:25] <mnoir> nice thing about this channel - we can flood a little :)
[03:26] <mnoir> please cat out your /etc/fstab and paste the line that says ntfs in it
[03:26] <eternalswd> hmm, might want to check df to make sure it's not mounted.  could be the gui just isn't aware
[03:26] <mnoir> paste here i mean
[03:26] <mnoir> could be - in a term
[03:26] <mnoir> type df
[03:26] <mnoir> mwalsh: i mean you - in a terminal type df and return
[03:26] <mwalsh> ok
[03:26] <mwalsh> haha
[03:27] <mwalsh> now wat
[03:27] <mnoir> what came back at you?
[03:27] <mwalsh> a bunch of listtings
[03:27] <eternalswd> might want df -t ntfs?
[03:27] <mwalsh> my internal hd isnt there
[03:27] <mwalsh> it only has sda1 and sdc1, my external
[03:27] <mwalsh> not sdb
[03:28] <mnoir> oh - I see
[03:28] <mwalsh> mhm
[03:28] <mnoir> eternalswd: good call - is sdb supposed to be the ntfs?
[03:28] <mwalsh> it is
[03:28] <eternalswd> let me check, I've got one
[03:28] <mnoir> not there at all - it is a usb external?
[03:29] <mwalsh> ok sdc is the usb external, and that shows up... my sdb is my internal ntfs and it doesnt show up
[03:29] <mnoir> oh - I see - so ext is showing up?
[03:29] <mwalsh> yes
[03:30] <mnoir> so we need to check why the ntfs is not showing up - first the config
[03:30] <mwalsh> the ntfs external is showing up
[03:30] <mnoir> paste the line that references it
[03:30] <mwalsh> /dev/sdc1
[03:31] <mnoir> whole line - i need the other end :)
[03:31] <mwalsh> /dev/sdc1             78148160  13427600  64720560  18% /media/Ext. H
[03:31] <eternalswd> hmm, I just noticed that my ntfs partition isn't mounted.  probably the same problem.  I never noticed since it's just a small partition for windows
[03:32] <eternalswd> this may be a larger problem, goes off to google.
[03:32] <mnoir> eww- that Ext. H looks ugly
[03:32] <mwalsh> y
[03:32] <mnoir> eternalswd: come back soon - you're valuable :)
[03:32] <mnoir> mwalsh: cd /media please
[03:32] <mwalsh> ok
[03:33] <mnoir> so that is the external which is showing up, not the problem drive
[03:33] <mwalsh> yes..
[03:33] <mnoir> ok - have you looked at files there - you happy with that one
[03:33] <mnoir> we are slightly distracted but it is all good learning :)
[03:34] <mwalsh> kind of
[03:34] <mnoir> meaning??
[03:34] <mwalsh> well the video files on there wont open
[03:34] <mwalsh> but thats a differenr problem.
[03:34] <mnoir> different problem - i agree - add to the list :)
[03:34] <mnoir> ok - back to the bad one
[03:34] <mwalsh> it was on the list
[03:35] <mnoir> ok - :)
[03:35] <mnoir> lets go back to 4.
[03:35] <mwalsh> mhm
[03:35] <eternalswd> okay, I didn't have any problems manually mounting the ntfs drive.  should be able to at least test whether that works
[03:35] <mnoir> eternalswd: we are about to check to see what to mount.
[03:36] <eternalswd> ok
[03:36] <mnoir> mwalsh: please type cat /etc/fstab
[03:36] <mwalsh> ok
[03:36] <eternalswd> cat /etc/fstab | grep ntfs        might help
[03:36] <mnoir> eternalswd: i never can get the perms stuff right on other ppl's systems and never have the problem myself so stand by !
[03:37] <mnoir> ok - file aint that long - if it is on the screen, paste the line with ntfs in it
[03:37] <mwalsh> i did
[03:37] <mwalsh> nothing happened
[03:37] <mnoir> did what?
[03:37] <mwalsh> i pasted that line
[03:37] <mwalsh> with the ntfs
[03:38] <mnoir> from the fstab?
[03:38] <mwalsh> cat /etc/fstab | grep ntfs
[03:38] <eternalswd> okay, that would be a problem.  this is a second drive right, not a second partition?
[03:38] <mnoir> no output - that means the install did not add it
[03:38] <mwalsh> correct
[03:38] <mwalsh> its a second drive
[03:38] <eternalswd> ls /dev | grep sdb
[03:39] <eternalswd> to see if it's detected at least
[03:39] <mwalsh> it says sdb and sdb1
[03:40] <mnoir> so sdb1 is a partition
[03:40] <eternalswd> good, it's detected. let's first manually mount it, then we'll add a line to your fstab so it "should" mount on boot
[03:40] <eternalswd> yes
[03:40] <mwalsh> well its like an 8mb partitions
[03:40] <eternalswd> sdb is the drive and 1 is the partition
[03:40] <mwalsh> partition*
[03:40] <mwalsh> yes
[03:40] <mwalsh> yeah
[03:40] <mwalsh> i guess
[03:41] <mwalsh> so how do i mount this sucka
[03:41] <mnoir> on the win side it only has one drive letter?
[03:41] <mwalsh> yes!
[03:41] <eternalswd> first decide on where you want to mount it to
[03:41] <mwalsh> wat?
[03:41] <mnoir> may i make a suggestion?
[03:41] <eternalswd> you could choose a directory like /media/windows
[03:42] <mnoir> you need to mount it in a place that sounds meaningful to you
[03:42] <mwalsh> ok
[03:42] <eternalswd> exactly
[03:42] <mwalsh> /media/storage
[03:42] <mnoir> what is on it?
[03:42] <mwalsh> thats wut i want
[03:42] <mwalsh> /media/storage
[03:42] <eternalswd> ok
[03:42] <mnoir> sounds ok
[03:42] <eternalswd> mkdir /media/storage
[03:42] <eternalswd> from term
[03:43] <mwalsh> it says permission denied
[03:43] <eternalswd> ok
[03:43] <eternalswd> sudo mkdir /media/storage
[03:43] <mwalsh> do ig otta be root
[03:43] <mnoir> sudo pls
[03:43] <eternalswd> then it will ask for your user password
[03:43] <mwalsh> ok
[03:43] <mwalsh> typed it in
[03:43] <mnoir> sorry - not looking :)
[03:43] <mwalsh> pressed enter
[03:44] <eternalswd> pressed enter for the password?
[03:44] <mwalsh> after i typed my password
[03:44] <mnoir> and it came right back?
[03:44] <mwalsh> it created it
[03:44] <mnoir> good
[03:44] <mnoir> have you heard the term mount point?
[03:44] <eternalswd> sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/storage/ -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222
[03:45] <mwalsh> yes ive heard of mount points
[03:45] <mwalsh> do i put that in terminal eternal?
[03:45] <eternalswd> yeah, all of it on one line
[03:45] <mnoir> eternalswd: why the slash after storage?
[03:45] <mwalsh> aaah im confused
[03:45] <eternalswd> not necessary
[03:45] <mnoir> oh - I see
[03:46] <mnoir> mwalsh: ask b4 typing then
[03:46] <mwalsh> t just spat a whole bunch of crap at me
[03:46] <eternalswd> was just force of habit of typing paths in the terminal all day long ;)
[03:46] <mnoir> :)
[03:46] <mnoir> paste here?
[03:46] <mwalsh> well i think its becaue all that stuff wasnt on one line
[03:47] <mnoir> must be! - do again
[03:47] <eternalswd> ahh, that'll be problematic
[03:47] <mwalsh> well
[03:47] <mwalsh> it doesnt fit
[03:47] <mnoir> impossible - the line goes on forever - do not worry about it wrapping
[03:47] <eternalswd> well, as long as you didn't hit enter, it's on one line, it's just been wrapped
[03:47] <mwalsh> ok
[03:47] <mwalsh> ok its good
[03:47] <mwalsh> noting happend
[03:48] <mnoir> you can also make the terminal wider if you like :)
[03:48] <eternalswd> what was spewed out?
[03:48] <mnoir> came back to prompt?
[03:48] <mwalsh> yeah
[03:49] <mnoir> probably worked - unix is quiet like that :)
[03:49] <mwalsh> yeah
[03:49] <mwalsh> it did
[03:49] <mnoir> cd to /media/storage
[03:49] <mwalsh> i test this stuff by just pasting it again and if it says its alredy happening i assuem
[03:49] <mwalsh> cd /storage
[03:49] <mnoir> uuh - that can be dangerous
[03:49] <mwalsh> lol
[03:49] <mwalsh> oops
[03:49] <mwalsh> ok i cd'd
[03:50] <eternalswd> ls
[03:50] <mnoir> what does ls show?
[03:50] <eternalswd> list of files and directories
[03:50] <mnoir> yours?
[03:50] <mwalsh> yep
[03:50] <mwalsh> works
[03:50] <eternalswd> lol, I thought your were asking for explanation, got the student and teacher mixed up lol
[03:51] <mwalsh> umm i still cant navigate to it yet
[03:51] <mnoir> :)
[03:51] <mnoir> mwalsh: what do you mean - in a gui?
[03:51] <mwalsh> yes
[03:51] <eternalswd> okay, first let's edit your fstab, then we'll move onto 1. that may fix it
[03:52] <mnoir> nautilus should be able to get there...
[03:52] <mwalsh> um.
[03:52] <mwalsh> i go to places
[03:52] <mwalsh> and computer
[03:52] <mwalsh> and nothing involving it is there
[03:53] <mnoir> patience - eternalswd may be on to something
[03:53] <mnoir> sorry - i gotta get up early to feed the sheep - looks like you are in good hands :))
[03:53] <mwalsh> feed the sheep?
[03:53] <mnoir> l8r
[03:54] <mwalsh> where do you live
[03:54] <eternalswd> mwalsh, the menu hasn't detected it, but if you go to your home directory in nautilus, just click the folder up button and navigate to the root / and then open media and then storage
[03:54] <mnoir> they refuse to write code without hay and grain
[03:54] <mwalsh> haha
[03:54] <mnoir> l8r :)
[03:54] <mwalsh> thanks man
[03:54] <mnoir> et - swat teaming is fun!
[03:55] <mwalsh> none of that stuff is in root
[03:55] <mwalsh> oh
[03:55] <mwalsh> storage is here
[03:55] <mwalsh> sweet1
[03:55] <mwalsh> how do i get it to appear tho
[03:55] <eternalswd> all in due time
[03:55] <eternalswd> first let's edit your fstab so that it mounts at boot
[03:55] <mwalsh> ok
[03:56] <mwalsh> uh can we do this with the external also
[03:57] <mwalsh> you stil here brother
[03:57] <eternalswd> yes.  should work as long as you keep it plugged into the same slot
[03:57] <mwalsh> ok
[03:57] <mwalsh> so hwo
[03:57] <eternalswd> what filesystem for the usb drive?
[03:57] <mwalsh> ntfs
[03:57] <eternalswd> okay.  you'll need to create another dir where you want to mount it to
[03:58] <mwalsh> alright
[03:58] <eternalswd> or as I recall, it's using /media/Ext. H
[03:58] <eternalswd> currently
[03:58] <mwalsh> i believe so
[03:59] <eternalswd> well, you can leave it there, but one without spaces is preferable, something like /media/external
[03:59] <mwalsh> ok
[03:59] <mwalsh> so how do i do that
[03:59] <eternalswd> sudo mkdir /media/external
[04:00] <mwalsh> ok
[04:00] <mwalsh> and how do i apply my hd to that
[04:00] <eternalswd> you can leave it where it is for now, it will change when you reboot
[04:00] <mwalsh> how will it magically know wat hd to put in there
[04:01] <eternalswd> that's what the fstab file takes care of
[04:01] <mwalsh> right
[04:01] <mwalsh> nice transitionl ol
[04:02] <eternalswd> first though, you said "df -t ntfs" didn't yield anything?
[04:02] <eternalswd> try it again
[04:02] <mwalsh> it yields my hd now
[04:03] <eternalswd> but only that one, not the usb?
[04:03] <mwalsh> no it gets hte usb one too
[04:03] <eternalswd> oh, okay, good
[04:03] <eternalswd> onto fstab
[04:03] <mwalsh> right.
[04:04] <eternalswd> first, we'll make a backup of your current one.  when editting system files backups are a must even when you think you know what you're doing
[04:04] <eternalswd> sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab_backup
[04:04] <mwalsh> hm oddly enough even while using windows ive never used one lol
[04:05] <mwalsh> but i made it
[04:05] <eternalswd> this will copy fstab to fstab_backup
[04:05] <mwalsh> ok
[04:05] <eternalswd> then we'll edit your fstab.
[04:05] <mwalsh> ok
[04:05] <eternalswd> gksu gedit /etc/fstab
[04:06] <mwalsh> ok
[04:06] <eternalswd> do ctrl+f and see if you can find a line for your usb drive
[04:06] <eternalswd> you would search for sdc
[04:07] <mwalsh> nah
[04:07] <eternalswd> okay, we'll add two lines then, one for each drive.
[04:07] <mwalsh> ok
[04:07] <eternalswd> create a new line at the end of the file
[04:08] <mwalsh> ok
[04:08] <eternalswd> and paste the following line
[04:08] <eternalswd> /dev/sdb1    /media/storage ntfs  nls=utf8,umask=0222 0    0
[04:08] <mwalsh> ah i see wats going on here
[04:08] <mwalsh> gotcha
[04:08] <eternalswd> and the following
[04:09] <eternalswd> /dev/sdc1    /media/external ntfs  nls=utf8,umask=0222 0    0
[04:09] <eternalswd> on another new line
[04:09] <mwalsh> uh sdc is highleited any reason
[04:09] <eternalswd> that was from your find earlier
[04:10] <mwalsh> oh ok
[04:10] <mwalsh> cool
[04:10] <mwalsh> so do i gotta restart now
[04:11] <eternalswd> not yet, there's one other thing I want to see
[04:11] <mwalsh> oko
[04:12] <mwalsh> can i save this fstab
[04:12] <eternalswd> yes
[04:12] <mwalsh> would this have anythign to do with the HAL proble?
[04:12] <eternalswd> and close it
[04:12] <eternalswd> no, that's what I'm moving to now
[04:12] <mwalsh> ok
[04:44] (mwalsh/#ubuntu-classroom) http://pastebin.ca/325340
[04:44] (mwalsh/#ubuntu-classroom) sweet site ill have to use that to cheat in programming
[04:47] <mwalsh> you still here
[04:47] <eternalswd> alright, I'm checking on nvidia drivers right now
[04:48] <mwalsh> k
[04:48] <eternalswd> from term
[04:48] <eternalswd> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[04:48] <eternalswd> may or may not be installed already
[04:50] <mwalsh> its dling something
[04:50] <eternalswd> good
[04:50] <mwalsh> ok now wat
[04:51] <eternalswd> go ahead and close gedit
[04:51] <eternalswd> then from term
[04:51] <eternalswd> sudo nvidia-xconfig
[04:51] <mwalsh> ok
[04:52] <mwalsh> now wat
[04:53] <eternalswd> close all your programs then you may need to write this down since we have to restart X, so the gui will go down for a little and you be stuck at a fullscreen terminal
[04:53] <mwalsh> ok hit me
[04:54] <eternalswd> you press ctrl+alt+backspace to shutdown X.  fullscreen terminal will appear.  type the command startx and enter
[04:54] <mwalsh> thats all?
[04:54] <eternalswd> yep
[04:54] <mwalsh> k
[04:55] <mwalsh> ok dude
[04:55] <mwalsh> now wut
[04:55] <mwalsh> oh and
[04:55] <mwalsh> it restarte automatically
[04:55] <mwalsh> i didnt have to reput startx
[04:56] <eternalswd> I forgot, there's I thing ctrl+alt+f1 or something where it's term only
[04:56] <eternalswd> think*
[04:56] <mwalsh> oh
[04:56] <mwalsh> did i need to do that
[04:56] <eternalswd> no
[04:56] <mwalsh> ok
[04:56] <eternalswd> check and see if your desired resolution is available now
[04:56] <mwalsh> its not
[04:57] <mwalsh> same resses up tjere
[04:57] <mwalsh> no nvidia splashcreen either
[04:57] <mwalsh> it sed somewher eon the website that hsoudl show up
[04:57] <eternalswd> okay, may need a full restart, not sure
[04:58] <mwalsh> okely dokely
[04:58] <mwalsh> brb
[04:59] <eternalswd> kiamo, still having problems?
[04:59] <kiamo> yes
[04:59] <kiamo> majorly
[05:00] <kiamo> its closing in on the 3rd day of no joy now...
[05:00] <mwalsh> ok dude i got the nvidia splashscreen but same resses and my ext. hd is gone now haah
[05:00] <eternalswd> okay
[05:01] <eternalswd> gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:01] <eternalswd> and http://pastebin.ca again please
[05:02] <mwalsh> http://pastebin.ca/325353
[05:02] <mwalsh> it doesnt seem to recognize i have a widescreen display...
[05:03] <eternalswd> 1440x900 is what you want?
[05:03] <mwalsh> yes
[05:04] <eternalswd> okay, in gedit, scroll down to the bottom
[05:05] <mwalsh> k
[05:05] <eternalswd> and in the lines with "1440x1440" add after that "1440x900"
[05:06] <mwalsh> ok.. but even in the gui nothing higher than 1152x864 shows up
[05:06] <mwalsh> do i save it now
[05:06] <eternalswd> that's probably because gnome is detecting your wide screen and disallowing others
[05:07] <mwalsh> ok
[05:07] <mwalsh> so do i save the xorg.
[05:07] <eternalswd> yeah
[05:07] <mwalsh> now wat
[05:08] <eternalswd> do ctrl+alt+backspace again.  if x fails to start, you'll need to "sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf_backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and then "startx" from the fullscreen terminal
[05:09] <eternalswd> kiamo, still not able to play video?
[05:09] <kiamo> nope
[05:09] <kiamo> not at all
[05:10] <eternalswd> okay, what video card do you have, specific, not just brand
[05:10] <kiamo> ati 1600+
[05:10] <mwalsh> hell yes!
[05:10] <mwalsh> this is so much better
[05:10] <mwalsh> um any reason my external still isnt up tho
[05:11] <eternalswd> mwalsh, not sure
[05:11] <mwalsh> ha thats so random
[05:11] <mwalsh> how do u check if it detected?
[05:12] <eternalswd> from terminal "df -t ntfs"
[05:12] <eternalswd> see if both drives show up
[05:12] <mwalsh> nah
[05:12] <mwalsh> only the internal
[05:12] <eternalswd> hmm
[05:13] <eternalswd> ls /dev | grep sdc
[05:13] <mwalsh> yep
[05:13] <mwalsh> detected
[05:13] <eternalswd> strange it didn't mount
[05:13] <mwalsh> mhm
[05:13] <mwalsh> perhaps its the boot file thingy
[05:13] <mwalsh> wutever its called
[05:14] <eternalswd> sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[05:15] <eternalswd> http://pastebin.ca it
[05:16] <mwalsh> http://pastebin.ca/325369
[05:16] <eternalswd> kiamo, is it an x1600, 1600 pro, or something else?
[05:17] <eternalswd> mwalsh, the zeroes on those two lines need to be on the lines above
[05:17] <mwalsh> ok
[05:18] <kiamo> x1600 i believe
[05:18] <mwalsh> wait
[05:18] <mwalsh> why does the line above need two sets of zeroes
[05:19] <eternalswd> maybe the paste got screwed.  http://pastebin.ca/325369 check lines 13 and 15
[05:19] <eternalswd> see if that matches your file
[05:19] <mwalsh> nah
[05:19] <mwalsh> i think its wrapping tho
[05:20] <mwalsh> OOO I see what i did
[05:20] <mwalsh> haha im so stupid
[05:20] <mwalsh> ok
[05:20] <mwalsh> 1 more problem
[05:21] <eternalswd> kiamo, what video player are you using?
[05:21] <kiamo> mplayer, vlc, totem and xine
[05:21] <eternalswd> mwalsh, what the problem?
[05:21] <kiamo> dont think iv tried any others
[05:37] <kiamo> vlc doesnt always restart x but somtimes just give a segmentation fault before closing itself
[05:37] <mwalsh> every time i try to play a sounjd or video file it says totem could not start up could not open resource for writing
[05:37] <kiamo> at some points in my struggles dvds would play in totem with out menus or subs but NOT if i tried to open the dvd via the menu, only as an auto run thing...
[05:37] <eternalswd> kiamo, try using mplayer on the file.  using the terminal "mplayer -vo x11" instead of just mplayer
[05:37] <eternalswd> mwalsh, yeah, you won't be able to play videos in totem without the sound set up
[05:37] <eternalswd> mwalsh, you can use mplayer which has a -nosound option
[05:37] <mwalsh> oh so totem just disables its ability to play
[05:37] <eternalswd> it's trying to open the sound device for writing to
[05:37] <eternalswd> specifically /dev/dsp or something similar
[05:37] <mwalsh> oh ok
[05:37] <mwalsh> so if i enable my mobo sound wuold it work
[05:37] <eternalswd> I would think so.
[05:37] <mwalsh> ok
[05:37] <eternalswd> you might not get that hal error either, i'm not sure
[05:37] <kiamo> ok mplayers playing the dvd but the aspec is all wrong...
[05:37] <kiamo> mplayer does complain however about subfont.ttf not being there
[05:37] <kiamo> hmm it also doesnt fullscreen properly
[05:37] <kiamo> stays the same size in places black border around it
[05:37] <eternalswd> kiamo, yeah, what version of ubuntu do you have?
[05:37] <kiamo> 6.10
[05:37] <eternalswd> try mplayer again but with -vo xv instead of x11
[05:37] <eternalswd> see if any errors come up
[05:37] <kiamo> x restarted
[05:37] <eternalswd> ouch, didn't expect that
[05:37] <mwalsh> oops eternal
[05:37] <kiamo> its 6.10 x64 btw
[05:37] <mwalsh> uh now wen i reboot neither of the ntfs are showing up, and i still get the HAL error evn tho the vids work
[05:37] <kiamo> my other problem is creating a 32bit enviroment ;) but one at a time
[05:37] <eternalswd> kiamo are you using mplayer 64-bit
[05:37] <kiamo> must be
[05:37] <kiamo> heh
[05:37] <kiamo> yes i believe so, if memory serves...
[05:37] <mwalsh> oh shit
[05:37] <kiamo> i compiled it myself make install and all that
[05:37] <mwalsh> uh all my files are gone in my ntfs hard drives... this isnt possible right?
[05:37] <kiamo> mwalsh, they will still be there until the drive is formatted, its always recoverable
[05:37] <mwalsh> i know
[05:37] <mwalsh> but
[05:37] <mwalsh> they didnt mount
[05:37] <mwalsh> wen i rebooted
[05:37] <kiamo> :(
[05:37] <eternalswd> they didn't mount, so no files will show up in there.  they're still on the hard drive
[05:37] <mwalsh> oh
[05:37] <mwalsh> any reason why they didnt mount
[05:37] <mwalsh> lol
[05:37] <kiamo> :D
[05:37] <kiamo> eternalswd, ideas?
[05:37] <mwalsh> like the sound thing is recognized but i sitll get the HAL
[05:37] <eternalswd> okay, give me just a minute, I'm looking something up
[05:37] <mwalsh> wat is that startup thing its sudo gedit /etc/fsomething
[05:37] <kiamo> fstab
[05:37] <eternalswd> gksu gedit /etc/fstab
[05:37] <mwalsh> hm everyhting seems normall.
[05:37] <eternalswd> okay, found the problem, got it in mine too
[05:38] <eternalswd> where it has 0222, that should be 222
[05:38] <eternalswd> the umask
[05:38] <mwalsh> oh ok
[05:40] <kiamo> any thoughts on my video prob?
[05:41] <mwalsh> nah man didnt do the trick
[05:41] <eternalswd> kiamo, open up /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see what video card is being loaded
[05:42] <kiamo> (II) GLX: Initialized MESA-PROXY GL provider for screen 0
[05:42] <kiamo> thats not good...
[05:42] <kiamo> isnt that wrong?
[05:43] <kiamo> fglrxinfo gives me correct read out tho...
[05:44] <eternalswd> kiamo, i figured as much.
[05:44] <kiamo> so its my ati drivers for certain then?
[05:44] <eternalswd> have you run "sudo fglrx-config"
[05:45] <kiamo> think so
[05:45] <eternalswd> mwalsh, try "sudo mount -a" from the terminal and see errors
[05:45] <kiamo> if i remember it says nothing to config
[05:45] <mwalsh> it says they dont exist
[05:45] <kiamo> sudo: fglrx-config: command not found
[05:47] <mwalsh> man were really screwed without this guy huh
[05:48] <eternalswd> okay, i don't think you have ati drivers installed at all
[05:48] <kiamo> i know mwalsh
[05:48] <kiamo> huh...
[05:48] <kiamo> but..
[05:48] <kiamo> i do..
[05:48] <kiamo> or did
[05:48] <kiamo> at one point
[05:48] <kiamo> lol
[05:48] <kiamo> :'(
[05:48] <eternalswd> you installed fglrx?
[05:48] <kiamo> yea
[05:48] <kiamo> several times
[05:48] <kiamo> different ways
[05:49] <kiamo> mostly following this
[05:49] <kiamo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-d8c6fd05bce340dfc3ad483abf0e18997868540b-2
[05:50] <eternalswd> okay, you probably want the ones directly from ati if you go the fglrx route
[05:50] <kiamo> yea
[05:51] <kiamo> the other way never worked
[05:51] <eternalswd> mwalsh, i'll get to you in one second
[05:51] <kiamo> and the ati.com way lead me to believe it did
[05:53] <kiamo> fgl_glxgears displays the test thing perfectly
[05:53] <kiamo> frames of over 500
[05:53] <kiamo> and i do have an aticonfig?
[05:56] <eternalswd> kiamo, do this "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep fglrx"
[05:56] <eternalswd> mwalsh try http://pastebin.ca/325404 as your fstab.  copy from the box below to avoid the numbers
[05:57] <eternalswd> then try "sudo mount -a" again
[05:57] <kiamo>         Driver      "fglrx"
[05:57] <eternalswd> kiamo, okay, so it appears to be set up correctly.
[05:57] <kiamo> my drivers?
[05:58] <eternalswd> your xorg.conf
[05:58] <kiamo> excellant :)
[05:58] <mwalsh> sweet!
[05:58] <mwalsh> it worked
[05:59] <kiamo> gratz :D
[06:01] <eternalswd> mwalsh, okay, you should be set then.  the fact that they mounted now proves that the fstab will work at boot
[06:02] <eternalswd> kiamo, "gksu synaptic" and search for xorg-driver-fglrx
[06:02] <eternalswd> see what version is installed
[06:03] <kiamo> 8.33.6-1
[06:03] <kiamo> and it the same as the latest version
[06:05] <eternalswd> i'm not sure why it's not working then.
[06:06] <eternalswd> sometimes ati's are just like that
[06:06] <kiamo> its devinatly a driver problem?
[06:06] <kiamo> ati cant "just be like that" its not fair, i want to beable to watch videos!!!  ;(
[06:07] <eternalswd> kaimo, "glxinfo | grep direct"
[06:08] <eternalswd> get any feedback?
[06:08] <kiamo> yes
[06:08] <kiamo> it says yes..
[06:08] <eternalswd> how about "lsmod | grep fglrx"
[06:08] <kiamo> fglrx                 630224  9
[06:09] <kiamo> why do i get the feeling all this is affirming that it should all be working fine...
[06:09] <eternalswd> okay, it appears to be working then.  all I can say now then is I have know idea
[06:09] <eternalswd> *no idea
[06:09] <kiamo> hehe
[06:09] <kiamo> thats ok
[06:09] <kiamo> thanks ever so much for trying tho :)
[06:09] <kiamo> seriously
[06:09] <kiamo> at least im certain what the problem is now
[06:10] <kiamo> :)
[06:10] <kiamo> you mind still helping with other stuff?
[06:10] <eternalswd> oh wait, there's one more thing I thought of
[06:10] <kiamo> oo oo :D
[06:12] <eternalswd> two things actually.  first, "sudo apt-get install libxv1" see if that's installed
[06:13] <kiamo> nope
[06:13] <eternalswd> it wasn't installed?
[06:13] <kiamo> oh wait
[06:13] <kiamo> sorry
[06:13] <kiamo> yes
[06:13] <kiamo> it is
[06:13] <kiamo> its late for me ;) and i just read 0 newly installed
[06:13] <kiamo> hehe
[06:14] <eternalswd> okay, second thing, "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep VideoOverlay"
[06:14] <eternalswd> paste your results
[06:14] <kiamo>         Option      "VideoOverlay" "on"
[06:15] <eternalswd> okay, now, "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep OpenGLOverlay"
[06:15] <kiamo>         Option      "OpenGLOverlay" "off"
[06:17] <eternalswd> well, now I've really exhausted my resources.  there is one thing you can try though.  you can try turning off the VideoOverlay and turning on OpenGLOverlay.  then when running mplayer, use -vo gl
[06:19] <kiamo> i dont need to restart x do i?
[06:19] <eternalswd> that should be better than x11, though worse than xv
[06:19] <eternalswd> yeah, you'll need to restart X after editing your xorg.conf file
[06:20] <kiamo> ah
[06:20] <kiamo> whats the cmd to load a dvd again?
[06:20] <kiamo> mpalyer dvd://DVD_VIDEO?
[06:20] <eternalswd> mplayer dvd://1
[06:20] <eternalswd> that's normally the movie track
[06:20] <kiamo> file not found
[06:21] <eternalswd> if you have dvdnav, you might just need mplayer dvd://
[06:21] <kiamo> nope
[06:21] <eternalswd> or rather mplayer dvdnav://
[06:21] <kiamo> no
[06:21] <kiamo> i didnt compile it in
[06:22] <kiamo> lol this is silly
[06:22] <eternalswd> hmm, then the first one should have worked
[06:22] <eternalswd> do you have more than one drive?
[06:22] <kiamo> iv been using ubuntu for 3 days and cant remember how to play a dvd
[06:22] <kiamo> yea 2
[06:22] <kiamo> dvdrw and dvdr
[06:22] <eternalswd> okay, which one has the dvd in it?
[06:22] <kiamo> cdrom1 its called
[06:22] <kiamo> and its the dvdr
[06:23] <eternalswd> okay, try mplayer --dvd-device /media/cdrom1 dvd://1
[06:23] <kiamo> mplayer --dvd-device /media/cdrom1 dvd://1 -vo gl?
[06:24] <eternalswd> yep. but it won't work right now, nut until you restart x.  since the opengloverlay is off right now
[06:24] <kiamo> ah ok
[06:24] <kiamo> brb
[06:25] <kiamo> what was the cmd again?
[06:25] <kiamo> lol
[06:25] <eternalswd> mplayer --dvd-device /media/cdrom1 dvd://1 -vo gl
[06:25] <kiamo> umm
[06:26] <kiamo> MPlayer 1.0rc1-4.1.2 (C) 2000-2006 MPlayer Team
[06:26] <kiamo> CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4600+ (Family: 15, Model: 75, Stepping: 2)
[06:26] <kiamo> CPUflags:  MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 1 3DNow2: 1 SSE: 1 SSE2: 1
[06:26] <kiamo> Compiled for x86 CPU with extensions: MMX MMX2 3DNow 3DNowEx SSE SSE2
[06:26] <kiamo> The -gui option will only work as first commandline argument.
[06:26] <kiamo> Unknown option on the command line: --dvd-device
[06:26] <kiamo> Error parsing option on the command line: --dvd-device
[06:26] <kiamo> with out --dvd-device worked
[06:27] <kiamo> and it full screens properly
[06:27] <eternalswd> good, you may see some artifacts sometimes, but it's alot better than x11.
[06:27] <kiamo> indeed
[06:28] <eternalswd> hopefully you'll get xv working someday
[06:28] <kiamo> perhaps once ati release some new drivers?
[06:28] <eternalswd> vlc should have a gl option as well.
[06:28] <eternalswd> unfortunately ati isn't too fond of linux for some reason :(
[06:29] <kiamo> i still however dont get a menu or subtitles
[06:29] <kiamo> mplayer complains of missing subfont.ttf
[06:29] <eternalswd> ahh, gmplayer instead of mplayer
[06:29] <kiamo> yes
[06:30] <kiamo> both complain
[06:30] <kiamo> but both play the film
[06:30] <kiamo> (dvd)
[06:33] <eternalswd> okay for subfont.ttf, you can use any .ttf font file copy it to ~/.mplayer/subfont.ttf and that error should go away
[06:34] <kiamo> where can i copy fonts from?
[06:34] <kiamo> and sorry what was the mplayer cmd again?
[06:34] <eternalswd> not sure, but you may be able to set it in the gui
[06:34] <eternalswd> mplayer dvd://1 -vo gl
[06:35] <eternalswd> or gmplayer dvd://1 -vo gl
[06:35] <eternalswd> the -vo gl can be set in you mplayer config file ~/.mplayer/config as the line vo=gl
[06:36] <eternalswd> then you don't need to do that at the command line every time
[06:36] <kiamo> ah ha
[06:37] <kiamo> what does the vo stand for?
[06:37] <eternalswd> video out
[06:38] <kiamo> video out opengl?
[06:39] <eternalswd> yep
[06:40] <kiamo> how do you spell arial.ttf
[06:40] <kiamo> ?
[06:40] <kiamo> i cant remember the exact name
[06:40] <eternalswd> that's the correct spelling
[06:40] <kiamo> weird i dont have it
[06:41] <kiamo> will correcting this give me menus?
[06:42] <eternalswd> you don't have menus when running gmplayer?
[06:42] <kiamo> nope
[06:42] <eternalswd> did you compile it yourself?
[06:42] <kiamo> yea
[06:43] <eternalswd> did you include --enable-menu on the ./configure line?
[06:43] <kiamo> no..
[06:43] <kiamo> didnt say to do son on the guid
[06:43] <kiamo> just enablegui
[06:45] <eternalswd> well the subfont.ttf is only the default font for subtitles.  menu should work in the gui.  so you might want to try recompiling with --enable-menu.  it's possible it wasn't necessary before but is now or something
[06:45] <kiamo> hmm
[06:46] <kiamo> can i just compile and make make install over the top?
[06:48] <eternalswd> if you use the same prefix flag it'll just install right over
[06:50] <kiamo> i get this message when ./configure
[06:50] <kiamo> NOTE: Win32 codec DLLs are not supported on your CPU (x86_64) or your
[06:50] <kiamo> operating system (Linux). You may encounter a few files that cannot
[06:50] <kiamo> be played due to missing open source video/audio codec support.
[06:52] <kiamo> ok well anyway
[06:52] <kiamo> its making again
[06:52] <eternalswd> yeah, win32 codecs don't work on 64-bit mplayer.  you'd have to make 32-bit mplayer for that
[06:52] <kiamo> please can you help me create a 32bit enviroment for things like firefox and skype please ;)
[06:52] <kiamo> oh?
[06:53] <kiamo> and mplayer too then i guess...
[06:53] <kiamo> hahaha
[06:53] <eternalswd> sorry, I have absolutely no experience with that
[06:53] <kiamo> ah ok then
[06:53] <kiamo> thanks LOADS eternalswd
[06:53] <kiamo> what do you do anyway?
[06:53] <kiamo> where youf rom?
[06:53] <eternalswd> no problem.
[06:54] <eternalswd> I'm in college right now studying computer science
[06:54] <kiamo> fun fun
[06:54] <kiamo> i did that for 2 year
[06:54] <kiamo> before taking a year outj
[06:54] <kiamo> and then starting my degree again in game art design
[06:55] <kiamo> uk?
[06:55] <eternalswd> uk as in united kingdom? no US
[06:55] <kiamo> ah
[06:56] <kiamo> im from uk, its eeeaarly in the morning now ;)
[06:56] <eternalswd> it's midnight here
[06:57] <eternalswd> what is it, 5, 6 in the morning there?
[06:58] <eternalswd> well, I'm glad I could help out a little, if you have more problems with mplayer, there's an #mplayer channel here on freenode
[06:59] <eternalswd> I've got to head out now.
[11:00] <mwalsh> anyone here?
[11:01] <tonyyarusso> yeah
[11:14] <mwalsh> anyone here?
[11:17] <neuratix> yes
[11:27] <nothlit> yes people are here
[11:27] <nothlit> !anyone
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[11:27] <nothlit> !ask
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[11:45] <mwalsh> nayone here?
[12:00] <tonyyarusso> crud
[12:01] <tonyyarusso> (That server isn't even running right now - in the shop, much less serving useful pages)


[19:20] <ricotz> tjaalton, hi, would be still possible to sync wayland/weston 1.10?
[19:58] <tjaalton> ricotz: why not
[20:08] <chrisccoulson> tjaalton, I haven't had any X freezes on my machine after upgrading xserver-xorg-video-intel from the x-staging PPA (I've even undocked / docked a few times today, which was a fairly reliable way to make it lock up)
[20:08] <chrisccoulson> I still have lots of other issues I need to report though
[20:09] <chrisccoulson> (like, running xrandr or opening system settings causes my external monitor to go to sleep, and it won't wake up again until I undock/redock my laptop)
[20:11] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, hi, jfyi, it is really no fun running ff46 with gtk+ 3.20+
[20:12] <ricotz> tjaalton, sounds like something you could put on your list then? :)
[20:12] <chrisccoulson> ricotz, are they still planning to ship it?
[20:13] <chrisccoulson> I'm seriously considering jumping on to the ESR for a few cycles tbh, particularly with the discussion about depending on rustc
[20:13] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, looks like it, and I doubt those hardly-written patches will land in the beta branch
[20:13] <ricotz> this sounds reasonable
[20:14] <chrisccoulson> I won't be popular if I do that, although it's what the other distros already ship
[20:15] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, remember though ubuntu ships gtk+ 3.18 which doesnt cause those problems
[20:20] <tjaalton> ricotz: once lp has it
[20:20] <tjaalton> them
[20:20] <tjaalton> chrisccoulson: ok good to hear that it fixed the hangs at least