[14:12] <bittin_> Hello watching your talk from LAS now also: https://www.ubuntukylin.com/public/pdf/Ubuntu-Kylin-Practice-on-Application-Construction-for-Linux-Ecosystem.pdf is dead
[14:12] <bittin_> just fyi


[00:34] <eduardo> hello, one question: xubuntu is for older computer?
[00:35] <siggjen> xubuntu is for computers
[00:35] <siggjen> it works like a charm on my p3 700
[00:35] <ceil420> it's the lightest flavour of Ubuntu, targeted at aging hardware, yeah
[00:35] <siggjen> and on my Q6600
[00:35] <ceil420> not sure if you can install it on a 300MHz with 32mb RAM, though
[00:35] <siggjen> need 64 MB RAM minimum docs say
[00:36] <eduardo> well...I want say that...for example...
[00:36] <eduardo> I've a centrino 1,6Ghz with 512MB....but my ubuntu 7,10 goes very heavy...
[00:36] <siggjen> it will probably work better on old computers than kubunto or ubuntu
[00:37] <ceil420> heh that'll run Xubuntu fine :p
[00:37] <ceil420> i have a p4 1.7ghz with 512mb ram
[00:37] <eduardo> and I can use however software how in ubuntu ?
[00:37] <eduardo> with the same repository ?
[00:37] <ceil420> yeah, same repo's
[00:38] <ceil420> i think the main difference is that Xubuntu uses the Xfce desktop environment, instead of the bloatier GNOME and KDE DEs
[00:38] <eduardo> and how I can change my ubuntu for a xubuntu ?
[00:38] <eduardo> without lost anything
[00:39] <ceil420> you might wanna check with the folks in #ubuntu, but i'm pretty sure you just need to sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[00:39] <siggjen> correct
[00:39] <eduardo> so it's not a operative sistem, not?
[00:39] <eduardo> it's a....
[00:39] <siggjen> it is
[00:39] <ceil420> it's just a lighter desktop environment
[00:40] <ceil420> compared to Ubuntu
[00:40] <ceil420> (Ubuntu is an OS)
[00:40] <siggjen> you can install gnome on xubuntu
[00:40] <eduardo> ubuntu is a OS but Xubuntu is how gnome or kde, no?
[00:40] <zoredache> ceil420: I don't think I agree... I would call gnu/linux an os
[00:40] <zoredache> and ubuntu/xubuntu a distrobution of gnu/linux
[00:41] <zoredache> but really it is all about semantics
[00:41] <ceil420> yeh, semantics ><
[00:41] <zoredache> xubuntu,ubuntu,xubuntu,* are all the same thing
[00:41] <ceil420> eduardo, Xubuntu doesn't use gnome or kde. It uses Xfce
[00:41] <zoredache> they just have install cds that choose different packages at install time
[00:41] <ceil420> Xfce is a lighter DE than those two; more suited for old hardware
[00:41] <zoredache> everything availbe on one, is available on another
[00:42] <eduardo> so I can do: apt-get install xubuntu ??
[00:42] <ceil420> xubuntu-desktop, i believe
[00:42] <zoredache> eduardo: xubuntu-desktop
[00:43] <eduardo> ahmm...ok, wait I will do it and I tell you what happen
[00:44] <eduardo> it's downloading...
[01:01] <eduardo> hello again!
[01:01] <eduardo> Im using xubuntu/desktop....
[01:01] <eduardo> but I-ve a problem
[01:02] <ceil420> ?
[01:02] <eduardo> with the keyboard...
[01:02] <eduardo> I use es and it-s us
[01:02] <eduardo> and...
[01:02] <eduardo> I cannot change it in System
[01:03] <ceil420> Xubuntu > Settings > Keyboard?
[01:03] <eduardo> in ubuntu I could do it
[01:03] <eduardo> yes, I cannot there
[01:04] <ceil420> eduardo, what if you uncheck 'Use X configuration'?
[01:05] <eduardo> I dont check it...
[01:05] <eduardo> I put the new configuration....
[01:05] <eduardo> but don-t save the change
[01:06] <eduardo> and I change it, go to the first tab...to check the new configuration...but it-s not in spanish...
[01:07] <ceil420> sorry, i've never changed the layout, i just know where the keyboard preferences are :x
[01:07] <eduardo> can you try it...
[01:07] <eduardo> _
[01:07] <eduardo> ?
[01:07] <ceil420> if no one else is active in here, maybe you can try #ubuntu (being sure to tell them you're on Xubuntu and not regular Ubuntu)
[01:08] <eduardo> but when I use gnome I can do it...
[01:09] <ceil420> it didn't save my settings either :x
[01:09] <eduardo> but when I change to xubuntu...the keyboard it-s not the same...and I cannot to change the configuration
[01:09] <ceil420> i just tried setting it from US to UK and it reverted to default :x
[01:09] <eduardo> yes!
[01:09] <eduardo> so it does not work, not_
[01:09] <eduardo> ?
[01:09] <ceil420> i don't know how to make it work :x
[01:10] <eduardo> I think it can be a bug of xubuntu, not?
[01:10] <ceil420> possibly
[01:12] <eduardo> I am reading about it...its a general problem, not only me :-S
[01:13] <ceil420> i'm surprised, really :x i'm using 7.10, and Xubuntu's been around since at least 6.10
[01:13] <ceil420> wouldn't think there'd be such a bug in it :x
[01:15] <eduardo> maybe yes!
[01:17] <eduardo> I solve it!!
[01:17] <ceil420> congratulations :)
[01:17] <ceil420> how'd you fix it?
[01:17] <eduardo> now I can use Ñ!!
[01:17] <eduardo> :-P
[01:17] <ceil420> i use a compose key to make Ñ :p
[01:18] <eduardo> you must change it in : /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:18] <eduardo> and to reboot
[01:18] <ceil420> ah
[01:18] <ceil420> glad you got it working :)
[01:18] <eduardo> :-D
[01:19] <eduardo> so now is es for default, and I cannot  change it...:-)
[01:20] <ceil420> at least you don't have to use us :p
[01:20] <eduardo> but I want not change coz now is spanish keyboard :-P
[01:20] <ceil420> :)
[01:31] <eduardo> hey!! another problem!!
[01:31] <eduardo> where is my sound??
[01:34] <eduardo> sorry sorry....I was not a problem...
[01:34] <eduardo> it was not a problem....
[01:37] <|Prometheus|> hello. Im having a few problems with booting xubuntu. I get a substantially long boot delay caused by a dma timeout on my /dev/hda drive. i have appended the kernel line and added the option ide=noda but i still get the timeout... is there anything else i can do?... when i connect this drive, by boot time increases by 2 minutes
[01:38] <|Prometheus|> its as if grub is ignoring the ide=nodma parameter
[01:44] <vidd> has anyone figured out why fonts are so increadibly small?
[01:45] <vidd> I've had to decrease screen resolution to 800x600 in order to read anything
[01:46] <vidd> it has to have something to do with the desktop environment, because the tty's are fine
[01:46] <vidd> but the terminal window fonts are tiny too
[01:47] <vidd> Its happened on every machine running 7.10
[01:48] <vidd> all different hardware
[01:48] <vidd> is there by change some setting in GDM that got changed recently?
[03:03] <Shinjin> Anyone here?
[03:28] <KillerPacMan> I am trying to install ubuntu 7.10 and as it starts toinstall it says "bcm43xx_microcode5.fw" failed to load and then it just sits there
[03:29] <KillerPacMan> also says firmware/0000"03.00.0'
[03:56] <torus> Does Xubuntu Hardy Heron 5 have KVM, libvirt and virt-manager by default also?
[05:02] <Administrator_> http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2008/02/10/design-your-own-desktop-with-xfce-44/
[05:03] <Administrator_> i assume most people have seen this, any luck trying it?
[05:42] <kuldeep> hi
[06:23] <zoredache> is it possible to target a desktop when you start a program?
[06:27] <The-Kernel> I....don't....know....
[06:27] <The-Kernel> I failed...
[06:29] <zoredache> !devilspie
[06:29] <ubotu> devilspie is a tool that performs actions on windows in GNOME's metacity such as resizing, positioning, and pinning.  Usage information can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Devilspie
[06:42] <eca> is it possible to target a desktop when you start a program? i thought thats what stick window does
[06:43] <zoredache> I dunno
[06:43] <zoredache> I want it to be possible
[06:45] <eca> multiple desktops are overrated, is minimizing or alt-tab so hard
[06:48] <zoredache> well I kinda want my music player to auto-start....  Do you know how to minimize it immediatly at startup?
[06:49] <eca> autostart when you login? write startup script, or use tarted apps
[06:50] <eca> *autostarted applications program
[06:50] <zoredache> I know how to start the applications
[06:50] <zoredache> I don't know how to get it out of my sight automatically
[06:51] <zoredache> I want to start it and have it be minimized or on a different workspace
[06:52] <eca> use mplayer?
[06:52] <zoredache> no, vlc
[06:56] <zoredache> btw devilspie does seem to work, it just takes a bit of work to get the configuration correct
[07:15] <kubuntu> buenos dias
[07:15] <kubuntu> hablaríase castellano por estos lares?
[08:28] <zoredache> [ 3885.548000] usb-storage: device found at 2
[08:28] <zoredache> [ 3885.548000] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
[08:28] <zoredache> [ 3885.548000] usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage
[09:19] <kuldeep> hi
[09:22] <kuldeep> I need some help in setting up canon IR2016 on ubuntu
[13:58] <floating> hey, anyone who knows unix here ?
[13:58] <floating> how can i pipe a files text as a message body with mail -s ?
[13:59] <floating>  mail -s "otsikko"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>< maili
[13:59] <floating> that dont work
[17:11] <ron_o> had something strange happen. All of a sudden my xubuntu restarted. Never happened before.
[17:18] <sugardrunk> !flash
[17:18] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (for !Dapper and !Edgy, a recent version is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[17:18] <sugardrunk> !gnash
[17:18] <ubotu> An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[17:19] <Dan_SR> Hi, someone can help me? When I change the screen resolution to 800x600 (my monitor is old...), the font size of applications change to a small value... I would like to stay with the same font size. Someone know what is the problem?
[18:21] <|Prometheus|>  Im having a few problems with booting xubuntu. I get a substantially long boot delay caused by a dma timeout on my /dev/hda drive. i have appended the kernel line and added the option ide=noda but i still get the timeout... is there anything else i can do?... when i connect this drive, by boot time increases by 2 minutes
[18:37] <|Prometheus|> could this be related to the kernel i am using? 2.6.22-14-generic
[18:42] <TheSheep> it's ide=nodma
[18:43] <|Prometheus|> sorry - yes, my i missed the m out :(
[18:43] <|Prometheus|> thats what i have tried - but it sees to ignore it
[18:43] <TheSheep> I don't have any idea. I suppose you have read about boot options already?
[18:43] <TheSheep> You could try searching teh forums/google for your disk model or motherboard
[18:44] <|Prometheus|> yeah, well am doing now - going through the forum finding everything i can
[18:44] <|Prometheus|> its just, with slax - the ide=nodma works fine
[18:44] <TheSheep> well, it also depends on the kernel build options
[18:45] <|Prometheus|> its just as if its being ignored, cause when booted - hdparm shows dma as 1 not 0
[18:46] <|Prometheus|> how do i build a new kernel (compile)
[18:50] <TheSheep> no idea
[18:50] <TheSheep> !kernel
[18:50] <ubotu> The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages
[18:51] <|Prometheus|> thanks
[19:45] <aladdinsaneo> im using a 250W PSU unit right now, but as im only just using 1 hdd, a lame old video card and a celeron in my computer i wonder if i could use a weaker PSU to save electricity, any tips?
[19:48] <ere4si> a 250w psu can provide up to 250w but will only provide what is needed - so the same hardware will use the same amount of power with any psu
[19:50] <aladdinsaneo> ok so a weaker one will not save me any electricity
[19:53] <aladdinsaneo> im not an electricity expert as you might see :) but why is my PSU getting so hot then, when i just use a small amount of its capability?
[19:53] <ere4si> nope
[19:54] <ere4si> is the fan working?
[19:54] <ere4si> how old is it? is it a cheap brand?
[19:55] <aladdinsaneo> yes, i have no problems with it, i was just wondering
[19:55] <aladdinsaneo> i mean if i just use a small amount of its capabilities couldn't i shut off its fan then?
[19:57] <ere4si> no - the fan is necessary to cool the psu at any working load and it helps to move air out of the pc as well
[20:01] <aladdinsaneo> ok, you are probably right, i just thought it was funny when my psu got really hot when i shut it's fan down, although i couldn't be using much of it's capabilities
[20:04] <aladdinsaneo> ere4si: i also thought that that in a way was the way the fan-less PSU's work
[20:04] <aladdinsaneo> i mean that they work far under their capabilities and in that way can work without a fan
[20:07] <aladdinsane> ere4si: dont know if u answered me, got disconnected
[20:08] <ere4si> what's your cpu aladdinsane ?
[20:08] <aladdinsane> celeron 2.1GHz
[20:08] <aladdinsane> socket 478
[20:09] <ere4si> can use up to 90 w - the fan is needed unles the psu was designed without one
[20:10] <aladdinsane> i have a temp regulated fan there, runs very slow
[20:10] <ere4si> find an online power consumption calculator and you will be suprised
[20:14] <aladdinsane> ere4si: no i believe you, but i just thought cause it is designed to be able to handle up to 5 hhd's, or at least there are 5 cables for it, it must be working a lot under it capabilities right now
[21:12] <zuzma> I'm sort of confused about manual partitioning could someone help me out?
[21:12] <zuzma> well that and I'm completely new to linux
[21:12] <zoredache> what are you confused about?
[21:12] <zuzma> I'd like to setup an install on three drives
[21:12] <zuzma> I want full read write access to a 500 GB one and a 200 GB one, but it stuck them in root for some reason
[21:13] <zuzma> then I want the os on my 80GB one
[21:13] <zuzma> what would be the best way to configure that?
[21:13] <zuzma> oh that and I'd like to use JFS for the file system
[21:14] <zoredache> why jfs?
[21:14] <zuzma> well I wanted something fast and it said it was when I looked at all the other file systems through wikipedia
[21:14] <zuzma> I download a lot of movies and stuff
[21:14] <zuzma> should I use something else?
[21:16] <zuzma> it's for desktop use mainly
[21:16] <zuzma> I guess
[21:16] <zoredache> ext3 is far more well tested and reliable...  generally, I think, you should stick with that unless you have a really good reason
[21:16] <zuzma> okay.. hmm
[21:17] <zoredache> I doubt there will be a noticeable difference in performance for just watching movies
[21:17] <zuzma> what about opengl games?
[21:17] <zuzma> oh also what should I make the mount points for the two larger drives
[21:18] <zuzma> I accidently made one /media
[21:18] <zuzma> on my first try
[21:18] <zuzma> but I'm going to reinstall everything
[21:18] <zoredache> zuzma: make them whatever you want.... perhaps /home, or perhaps something in /srv
[21:18] <zuzma> would that give me full read write access?
[21:18] <zuzma> if i made those two drives /home?
[21:18] <zuzma> sorry
[21:19] <zuzma> I kinda want to treat them as a dump for my videos and games
[21:19] <zoredache> you can't have two volumes mounted in a single folder without using something like lvm or something else
[21:19] <zuzma> oh I see
[21:20] <zoredache> anyway, whereever you mount them you can change the permissions so that you can write there
[21:20] <zuzma> what about making the mount point /home/desktop/video ?
[21:20] <zuzma> OHH!
[21:21] <zuzma> damnit I should of known it was that easy : (
[21:21] <zoredache> I suspect I set some manual mountpoints like /shared/500g, and /shared/200g
[21:22] <TheSheep> you can also change the mountpoints without reinstalling (or even restarting)
[21:22] <zoredache> once mounted simply do something like a chown -R username:username /shared
[21:23] <zoredache> where username is your username
[21:23] <zuzma> wow confusing, but I think I'll just do it a simple and not use a mount point the system needs :P
[21:23] <zuzma> I tried fixing it through fstab, but that didn't work
[21:23] <sprauekraut> xubuntu 7.10 - can't use brasero to burn audio cd from mp3 files, any takers?
[21:24] <zuzma> ah well thanks so much for the help guys. I'll give it a go again :D
[21:24] <taggartbg2> i have a 2.5 gig "unallocated" section of my hdd that i'd like to install xubuntu on, the xubuntu installed calls this space "unusable" - how do i go about making this usable?
[21:24] <taggartbg2> installer*
[21:25] <zoredache> taggartbg2: I would guess it is unusable because of the layout of your other partitions...  You would need to figure out what is making it unusable and then change things
[21:26] <zoredache> do an 'sudo sfdisk -l' and post that on pastebin
[21:27] <taggartbg2> how do I get the output of a command to output to a file again?
[21:28] <aladinsano> can i get my xp to be the standard boot? right now it boot directly into xubuntu
[21:30] <sprauekraut> aladinsano: do you use the standard grub bootloader?
[21:31] <sprauekraut> would anyone like to help me with a brasero audo cd burning issue?
[21:31] <slow-motion> hi
[21:31] <sprauekraut> audio*
[21:35] <taggartbg2> zoredache: can you read an abiword document?
[21:36] <zoredache> !pastebin | taggartbg2
[21:36] <ubotu> taggartbg2: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lines texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[21:37] <zoredache> no need to create a document, just use pastebin
[21:38] <taggartbg2> !pastebin
[21:38] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post multiple-lines texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)
[21:38] <taggartbg2> ah, i see, ok
[21:39] <taggartbg2> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57119/
[21:39] <taggartbg2> 1 partition is vista, 1 is a dell recovery partition, 1 is dell bios settings, 1 is for Dell Media Direct, 1 is unallocated where I want to install xubuntu
[21:41] <zoredache> taggartbg2: I don't see any unallocated partitions...
[21:42] <taggartbg2> zoredache: in vista i shrunk the recovery partition and according to vista disk manager there is a 2.5ish gb unallocated partition
[21:42] <zoredache> there is a hole between 967 and 1315, but you won't be able to use it
[21:42] <taggartbg2> in xubuntu when i tried to install, sda4 says "unusable"
[21:42] <taggartbg2> how do i go about making it usable?
[21:43] <zoredache> you can only have 4 primary partitions, or three partitions and an extended partition
[21:43] <zoredache> you already have 3 primary + extended... you can't have another
[21:43] <taggartbg2> lame
[21:43] <taggartbg2> hmmm
[21:43] <taggartbg2> what's the difference between an extended and a primary?
[21:43] <zoredache> an extended partition can contain logical drives
[21:44] <zoredache> it is kind of a sub-partition
[21:44] <taggartbg2> ah, i see
[21:44] <zoredache> you can have many of those
[21:44] <taggartbg2> so can you tell which (sda1-5) is what vista calls the "unallocated" partition?
[21:44] <taggartbg2> its either 4 or 5
[21:45] <zoredache> sda5 is your recovery partition
[21:45] <taggartbg2> sda2 is the recovery, because thats the 8 gig one
[21:45] <zoredache> if you have a backup on cds you could delete that
[21:47] <taggartbg2> hmm, ok, thanks for all the help, i'm going to consult with dell and see what recovery options they provide for me other than that partition, i don't know exactly how all of their disks and such work
[21:47] <taggartbg2> i'm new to dell
[21:47] <zoredache> hrm...  well I am not entirely sure then...  But I am sure that you aren't going to create any more partitions right now
[21:48] <zoredache> it might be easier to simply install a second drive
[21:48] <zoredache> if you have or can afford a spare
[21:49] <taggartbg2> its a notebook :-\
[21:50] <sprauekraut> I'm having a problem burning mp3s as an audio cd using brasero.  Its weird, because i have no problem playing them.  Would anyone like to help me with this issue?
[21:50] <zoredache> ah
[21:54] <taggartbg2> i'm seeing another problem here
[21:54] <taggartbg2> the window manager is not recognizing all of the space on the partitions
[21:54] <taggartbg2> it says RECOVERY is less than a gig, but its 8 gigs
[21:54] <taggartbg2> it says OS is only 111 gigs, but its over 130
[21:54] <taggartbg2> DellUtility is about right
[21:55] <taggartbg2> and MEDIADIRECT is missing a gig as well
[21:56] <taggartbg2> GParted recognizes all of the space though, so I'm not sure
[21:56] <zoredache> I wouldn't worry about it too much
[21:57] <taggartbg2> ah, ok
[21:57] <taggartbg2> so just to verify, there's no way to have 4 primary partitions and an extended?
[21:58] <zoredache> no
[21:59] <taggartbg2> what about installing xubuntu on an extended partition?
[22:00] <zoredache> taggartbg2: you mean logical-drive...  you could do that, but you dont' have space in your extentded paritition
[22:00] <taggartbg2> i have 2.44 gigs of unallocated space
[22:01] <zoredache> yes, but it isn't in your extended partition... it is between two other partitions
[22:01] <taggartbg2> is it possible to partition that to be a second extended partition where i could install xubuntu on a logical drive?
[22:01] <zoredache> taggartbg2: no, only one extdended per drive is allowed
[22:01] <taggartbg2> hmm
[22:02] <taggartbg2> what about using Acronis or something to move OS and the extended partition leftwards, and extended the extended partition, and partition another logical drive onto the extended partition?
[22:03] <zoredache> taggartbg2: yes, that is possible... I am not familar with those tools...
[22:04] <taggartbg2> nice, there is hope!
[22:04] <taggartbg2> i'll play around with Acronis and see what i can get out of it
[22:04] <zoredache> well, I strongly suggest you get some kind of external backup system before you start using those... I have heard of those tools trashing things
[22:04] <taggartbg2> good call
[22:22] <slow-motion> n8
[23:28] <penguino> i already have my drive partitioned going into xubuntu installer from cd, but it won't detect the drive from the partitioner
[23:28] <penguino> 7.10, is this a recurring problem?
[23:31] <zoredache> penguino: generally that means that your disk controller isn't supported
[23:33] <penguino> i've been able to install 6.06 before, this is the first time with this problem
[23:35] <Obscurati> hey, having an issue with audacity freezing when i hit record. everything else works, mic works. audacity record and play (and playback works) through oss layer of alsa (default config.)
[23:50]  * eldalion
[23:51]  * eldalion prout
[23:58] <Obscurati> ?


[00:06] <antlarr> joshuajtl: probably lsusb will tell you
[00:07] <joshuajtl> antlarr: lsusb is for listing usb devices
[00:07] <antlarr> joshuajtl: exactly what a touchpad in a laptop is
[00:07] <antlarr> or a keyboard, for that matter
[00:08] <joshuajtl> antlarr: I don't think so. but in any case lsusb only lists: Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub      lines
[00:09] <joshuajtl> nothing to distinguish to me what the actual hardware is
[00:10] <antlarr> lspci ?
[00:11] <joshuajtl> already tried lspci, and lshw none show my touchpad
[00:13] <antlarr> strange, in my laptop I can see the touchpad and keyboard in lsusb
[00:17] <ubuntu> hello everyone
[00:34] <simo_> hello
[00:51] <wilhart> anyone use auroera ?
[00:56] <simo_> what is this ?
[01:15] <joshuajtl> is it possible to alt+tab through tabs in kde applications?
[01:28] <arid> hi
[01:32] <jepong> hello... anyone using kde 4.4 beta here?
[01:36] <alumno> Buenas noches
[01:37] <PeterFA> I can't get my sound to work. It's a Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller
[01:40] <PeterFA> Sorry about that, any hope on my sound problem?
[01:42] <PeterFA> Sorry, getting used to a new client.
[01:47] <PeterFA> Anyways, any one know who to get a Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller working?
[01:51] <Fanfare> Hi folks, where is kdesu? (4.3.80/4.4.beta)
[02:00] <i_is_broke> PeterFA, what version are you running?
[02:01] <i_is_broke> 9.04 or 9.10?
[02:01] <PeterFA> i_is_broke: it's one of those two. How do I check?
[02:01] <PeterFA> It's a fresh install off of the website.
[02:01] <i_is_broke> uname -a
[02:01] <PeterFA> Linux sunset 2.6.31-16-generic #53-Ubuntu SMP Tue Dec 8 04:02:15 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[02:01] <i_is_broke> probably 9.10
[02:01] <i_is_broke> yeah
[02:02] <i_is_broke> ok you might want to talk to dtchen hes the sound guru..
[02:02] <i_is_broke> and hes usually in about this time at night.
[02:02] <Fanfare> lsb_release -a
[02:03] <PeterFA> dtchen: ping.
[02:03] <i_is_broke> PeterFA, what do you get when you do lspci | grep audio?
[02:04] <PeterFA> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller
[02:04] <PeterFA> 02:03.1 Multimedia controller: Brooktree Corporation Bt878 Audio Capture (rev 11)
[02:06] <PeterFA> i_is_broke: it's the first one that I want to get working.
[02:06] <i_is_broke> ok, and have you checked under preferences or system or something there should be a thing that says hardware
[02:06] <PeterFA> The second one is a video capture card and I'm not too worried.
[02:07] <i_is_broke> i stopped running kde so i cant remember exactly where its at.
[02:07] <PeterFA> i_is_broke: I don't know if this is what you wanted but I see four listings for the back end. Now I'm using KDE4.somethign.
[02:09] <PeterFA> I don't see a hardware section like Windows Hardware Manager.
[02:09] <i_is_broke> its for proprietary drivers..like nvidia and stuff...
[02:10] <i_is_broke> like i said dtchen is the one to ask.
[02:10] <i_is_broke> hes the one working on pulse for the 10.4 release.
[02:10] <PeterFA> He doesn't seem to be present, and I gotta go. So, thanks for the help and ciao.
[02:10] <jepong> quit
[02:10] <PeterFA> Oh, then he must be a genius.
[02:10] <PeterFA> Linux sound stuff gets me.
[02:22] <jacquesdupontd> hi guys is anybody here ?
[02:22] <Fanfare> yes, whats up?
[02:32] <joshuajtl> hey folks does kubuntu x86-64 install the adobe beta 64bit flashplugin? or the 32bit one?
[02:36] <Fanfare> i assume the 64bit one (not checked)
[03:05] <lolmac> hi
[03:05] <lolmac> where do  i change kubuntu system settings\
[03:07] <lolmac> ção
[03:18] <islington> how buggy is kde 4.4 b1? can someone give me a heads up on how much trouble to expect?
[03:19] <dtchen> PeterFA: pong
[03:19] <dtchen> joshuajtl: the 32-bit one with nspluginwrapper
[03:31] <islington> name 6 reputable scientists.
[03:32] <kaddi_> what for?
[03:34] <i_is_broke> dtchen, he isnt on any more he had to leave i was talking to him earlier.
[03:34] <i_is_broke> and im going back to ubuntu+1 now as well..:D
[03:41] <r4v3nsw0rd> can I ask a question for kopete here? besides this one that is.
[03:41] <kaddi_> don't ask to ask, just ask :)
[03:42] <r4v3nsw0rd> haha, ok, is there a way to automatically make a contact in kontact for each person in kopete that doesn't have a contact yet?
[03:44] <kaddi_> oh, not sure... I know nothing about kontact :s
[03:45] <r4v3nsw0rd> because I've been going through contacts one by one in kopete and clicking on "Address Book Link" > Change > Create New... lol, takes forever =/
[03:46] <kaddi_> maybe try the export contacts option and import the contacts in kontact?
[03:57] <r4v3nsw0rd> can't find out how to get it to work =/
[04:16] <paul_____> hello
[04:23] <paul_____> i got this problem using kubuntu... when i go  in my favorite chat its like the screen is to big and lose the box on the bottom to write text.... weird thing is i dont have a scroll down bar on the right its like the top part of the frame is too big........
[04:29] <paul_____> i was feeling so alone with my linux until i found this room....................
[04:30] <paul_____> so where is the channel guide to find different channels of chat
[04:32] <paul_____> is there anybody out there.................
[04:32] <Bloodyrats> hey umm does anyone know how the nvidia 9600gs stacks up against the ati hd 3200...I'm on a blackberry right now so I can't really view links without a little frustration.  Basically, which card is better?
[04:44] <BlueX> anyone tried or heard anything positive about the new 10.04 alpha?
[04:52] <paul_____> do most chat rooms run using java..?
[05:05] <endeffect> hello
[05:12] <BlueX> paul, I doubt it
[05:12] <BlueX> hi endeffect
[05:36] <paul_____> ok then if im having trouble in a chatroom getting the mics and video to work then what would you suspect it is.???
[05:36] <paul_____> i was thinking that it would either be in the java ,, flash,, or streaming dept....
[05:37] <BlueX> oh so you mean chat other than irc?
[05:37] <paul_____> yes
[05:37] <BlueX> like which chat network?
[05:37] <paul_____> i just found irc this is like a godsend to me......
[05:37] <BlueX> are you using 64bit kubuntu?
[05:38] <paul_____> stockgoodies.com or stockhideout.com
[05:38] <paul_____> yes
[05:39] <BlueX> 64bit has flash problems
[05:39] <paul_____> you see i can be in the chat rom just fine but they have a video and mic feature for classes and i click their mic and it sends them the ok they click me in and the window opens for video but nothing else happens
[05:40] <BlueX> no video?
[05:40] <BlueX> have you gotten youtube to work?
[05:40] <paul_____> well i should say that i also use opensuse and i couldnt get it to work their either
[05:40] <paul_____> yes
[05:40] <paul_____> works fine
[05:41] <BlueX> 64bit opensuse?
[05:41] <paul_____> strangly enough it worked for me once then quit right in the middle of the class and never agian worked that was on suse though
[05:41] <paul_____> yes
[05:41] <BlueX> as I said 64bit has flash problems
[05:41] <BlueX> you have to install the 64bit versions of the browser/flash plugins etc
[05:42] <paul_____> so should i revert to 32 bit
[05:42] <BlueX> well, if you revert to 32 bit everything will be compatible and even remove bugs
[05:42] <paul_____> well thats what im doing now the install plugins thing
[05:42] <BlueX> yeah, what browser do you use?
[05:43] <paul_____> i was so lucky i got on here yesterday and they told me how to unlock my plugins problem with my kubuntu i was so happy to get back to kubuntu with my 3D cube.....  :)
[05:44] <paul_____> im new to the linux world and they had me bust my terminal cherry and put in sudo aptitude -f install                    and it worked  i was so happy
[05:45] <paul_____> well i was stuck with the konkeror and i hated it
[05:45] <paul_____> i love opera but i havent been able to get it up and running on here yet
[05:46] <paul_____> but in my  suse i run them all at once i  use opera, firefox, seamonkey,   konkeror, epiphony
[05:46] <BlueX> well until you get the plugins right, firefox, opera, etc will all have the same problems
[05:47] <paul_____> if something doesnt work on one i try the next
[05:47] <paul_____> so its true the plugins span all the browsers ??
[05:47] <BlueX> there is only a prerelease version 0f adobe flashplayer 10 but supposedly its really good
[05:48] <BlueX> well I had firefox and I installed the flashplayer, shockwave etc and then when I installed opera 10.01 I looked and it had the same versions
[05:48] <paul_____> yes ive been meaning to get that .. ive had a few requests specifically for it
[05:49] <BlueX> but I would recommend getting official instructions on solving flash problems in 64bit from ubuntu formums etc it'll probably be better instructions than mine
[05:49] <paul_____> yes and thats true from what i was seeing on opera it bypassed that request... which was why i asked if plugins will span all the browsers
[05:49] <BlueX> but basically you need the 64 bit versions of everything and probably to get rid of the versions you have first and then install the 64bit ones
[05:51] <paul_____> well i have them all partitioned on a terabyte so i have plenty of room to play diferent systems.....
[05:51] <BlueX> oh you mean install the 32 bit kubuntu?
[05:52] <paul_____> its funny on my journey of learning linux i put a box together with three hardrives and a terabyte
[05:52] <BlueX> :)
[05:52] <paul_____> so when i would lock up a drive for some reason i would unplug it and go to the next ,, then i had my bookmarks on my terabyte so they transfered
[05:53] <paul_____> needless to say i wore out 2 ribon cables like that
[05:53] <paul_____> but it got me by
[05:54] <paul_____> so now i have ubuntu,kubuntu,opensuse,,, and then each with diferent stuff like kde and gnome
[05:54] <paul_____> and as many browsers that i can find on each
[05:54] <BlueX> the truth is, unless you're going to be doing large video decoding/encoding or large encryption projects etc..it will not improve any basic task..the improvements in speed if they even exist you will find them negligible, its less compatible than 32 bit and there are more bugs in 64 because think of the fact that almost everyone uses 32..its thoroughly tested and universally supported
[05:55] <paul_____> but on the browsers ive kinda worked it down to epiphony ,, opera,, and if all else fails firefox
[05:56] <paul_____> so theres not much advantage in 32 bit??
[05:56] <paul_____> sorry 64 bit
[05:58] <paul_____> yes i could see that ... of course,, it brings us back to the basics of linux streamline and focus... if it aint broke dont fix it...........
[05:59] <paul_____> linux takes an older machine and tunes it up to run more effecient and faster...
[05:59] <paul_____> i was thinking that i had to run 64 because thats what it says i have somewhere.....
[06:00] <paul_____> so something else that i was wondering whats the deal on running a virtual machine
[06:01] <paul_____> am i understanding that i could put kubuntu and suse up and running at the same time??
[06:02] <paul_____> and i realize that this might border needig to find a different channel discussion but that as well i cant seem to find an index on channels
[06:03] <BlueX> well, isn't it better to find the one that works best for you and sticking with it?
[06:03] <BlueX> why not just create multiple logical partitions and use grub to switch between the distros?
[06:07] <paul_____> can i switch while its running?/
[06:08] <paul_____> i would agree with the one that works best idea .... but the thing is i do so much general stuff on here that it seems that this one works best for this and that on for that.....
[06:08] <BlueX> oh, like mounting a partition?
[06:09] <paul_____> well at the moment i have to choose at the boot which one i want to play with ....
[06:09] <BlueX> I don't know what version of linux is the best platform for running multiple virtual boxes..supposedly kernel 2.6.32 has new support for running multiple virtual os's
[06:09] <BlueX> this will be better in final version 10 of ubuntu/kubuntu
[06:10] <BlueX> did you come from windows?
[06:11] <BlueX> what you can do is pick and choose virtual os's in linux using virtualbox
[06:11] <BlueX> when you're done using one just close it and open the next all from within your main linux os
[06:11] <BlueX> so yeah you can run kubuntu in opensuse or vice versa
[06:12] <paul_____> yes thats where my road seemed to be leading to vm....
[06:13] <paul_____> and yes i come from windows but just as much as plug it in and go other than that im lost
[06:13] <paul_____> my dad set me up on this i think as a cruel joke
[06:13] <BlueX> oh, set you up with linux?
[06:14] <paul_____> i was recovering from a bad motorclcle wreck and he was moving out of this house so he left me in it with nothing but a computor with linux on it and says here learn this...lol
[06:14] <BlueX> hehe
[06:14] <BlueX> you have 9.10?
[06:14] <paul_____> but i tell you now i would never go back to windows ...no chance
[06:14] <BlueX> do you have an nvidia card?
[06:15] <paul_____> yes
[06:15] <BlueX> have you used the nvidia settings section yet?
[06:15] <paul_____> im running a geforce 7300g5t
[06:15] <paul_____> geforce 7300 gt
[06:15] <BlueX> and you have gone through the hardware installer to select an nvidia choice right?
[06:16] <paul_____> yes
[06:16] <BlueX> have you tried digital vibrance in the settings?
[06:16] <paul_____> ive got my 3D cube up and running   :)
[06:16] <paul_____> whats that
[06:17] <BlueX> open a terminal and type nvidia-settings, then raise digital vibrance to 600 or so
[06:17] <BlueX> you will love it
[06:17] <paul_____> what will it help
[06:18] <BlueX> it will make things way more beautiful
[06:18] <BlueX> I mean if you think it looks good now you're missing a lot of the experience of using it
[06:19] <paul_____> i dont see digital viberance it pulls up a nividia panel
[06:20] <BlueX> yes, its under one of the bottom for listings
[06:20] <BlueX> four
[06:21] <paul_____> ok i can get it up to 63.00
[06:22] <BlueX> well, instead of using the arrows you drag it
[06:23] <BlueX> it says digital vibrance?
[06:23] <BlueX> you're using kubuntu right now yes?
[06:23] <paul_____> yes
[06:24] <BlueX> it won't go past 63, did it make a difference?
[06:24] <paul_____> it also says image sharpining
[06:24] <paul_____> i see its really tuning in the fine lines
[06:26] <BlueX> actually, originally I did kdesudo nvidia-settings
[06:26] <BlueX> and I'm not talking about image sharpening but digital vibrance
[06:26] <paul_____> what is the antialiasing and anistropic filtering
[06:26] <BlueX> antialiasing takes away the jaggedness on lines and edges, sharpens them
[06:27] <BlueX> anistropic filtering can make a visual appearance difference
[06:27] <BlueX> but in testing them all I found digital vibrance and contrast to make the most difference
[06:27] <BlueX> you might want to try re-entering by kdesudo nvidia-settings in terminal
[06:28] <BlueX> I use contrast at 220 or .220 its an increase from where it starts, it helps a lot
[06:28] <BlueX> but digital vibrance increases the radiance of everything, its a shame if its not working for you
[06:29] <BlueX> don't use the arrows, just drag the little bar to where it works for you
[06:29] <BlueX> I mean you're gonna be using this thing all the time, might as well have it at its best
[06:32] <indo-kubuntu> help install hp d2566 on kubuntu??
[06:34] <paul_____> ok another question while im in this video area
[06:35] <paul_____> how do i get the s-video output to work on kubuntu? it works for my suse just not here
[06:36] <paul_____> i watch movies through my svideo more than i watch regular tv ,, mainly because by the time i notice time when im on here it in the wee hours...lol
[06:38] <paul_____> hook you up with the most awesome movie hub sight on the net......... ovguide.com
[06:41] <BlueX> paul, that's a very specific question, probably look it up on ubuntu forums
[06:45] <BlueX> paul: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=98456
[06:46] <paul_____> cool thats a nice place to find things...thanks
[06:48] <mod1_> hello
[06:49] <hey_boy> my newly installed and updated Kubuntu sometimes freezes. It does not respond to anything. Any ideas?
[06:54] <echotone> What might cause my screen to freeze and then fuzz up and reset my visual effects? It happens all the time.
[07:12] <flexible> after switching from GNOME TO KDE, my audio doesn't work
[07:12] <flexible> and i've no idea why
[07:13] <flexible> can anyone lend a hand?
[07:26] <yang_> what is command to check a what process has a specic command open? lsof somthing i think
[07:39] <amurabi> hello
[07:40] <amurabi> and so everbody speak spanish
[07:40] <paul_____> ok heres a beginers question ubuntu is all debian packages only?
[07:42] <PeterFA> dtchen: ping.
[07:43] <PeterFA> paul_____: no. Conical did a lot of work, but they do borrow heavily from Debian. Well, if your question is if Ubuntu uses the Debian way of things, then yes, it's all debian.
[08:15] <paul_____> man now i cant get packages agian it says i got broken dependincies
[08:15] <yang_> paul ? upgrading to kde beta?
[08:15] <paul_____> i tried what fixed it before with sudo aptitude -f install   that didnt work
[08:15] <yang_> are you using aurarae?
[08:16] <yang_> post error on pastin.ca link to url . i will help you fix.
[08:16] <paul_____> says couldnt get lock
[08:16] <yang_> hmm are you using cll or kpackagekit?
[08:16] <paul_____> unable to lock adminastrator directory
[08:17] <yang_> try sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:17] <yang_> does it give filename.
[08:17] <yang_> i think /var/apt/lock or etc/
[08:18] <paul_____> uld not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open
[08:18] <yang_> sudo lsof  /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[08:18] <paul_____> this happens when i try to install java package
[08:19] <yang_> try lsof /var/apt/lock
[08:19] <yang_> srry lol sudo lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[08:19] <yang_> any out put?
[08:20] <paul_____> it gives me a node name       0 131997 /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[08:21] <paul_____> why does the kubuntu not like java
[08:21] <yang_> mine does fine lol
[08:21] <yang_> okay does it give a PID?
[08:21] <yang_> or a command?
[08:22] <paul_____> it makes me wonder how many computor deaths from shotgun blast are linked to linux....lo
[08:22] <yang_> paul what is listed under command?
[08:23] <paul_____> COMMAND  PID USER   FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF   NODE NAME
[08:23] <paul_____> dpkg    7217 root    3uW  REG   8,17        0 131997 /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[08:23] <yang_> sudo killall dpkg
[08:23] <paul_____> that didnt do anything
[08:25] <yang_> its okay lol i did
[08:25] <yang_> now sudo apt-get -f install
[08:26] <yang_> watch like magic no missing lock error
[08:26] <yang_> run this from a konsole btw
[08:27] <yang_> paul?
[08:29] <paul_____> it says no comand now
[08:29] <paul_____> found
[08:29] <paul_____> maby nop??
[08:32] <yang_> sudo apt-get -f install?
[08:32] <yang_> try again lol.
[08:36] <paul_____> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:36] <paul_____>  /var/cache/apt/archives/sun-java6-jre_6-15-1_all.deb
[08:36] <paul_____>  /var/cache/apt/archives/sun-java6-bin_6-15-1_amd64.deb
[08:36] <paul_____>  /var/cache/apt/archives/sun-java6-jdk_6-15-1_amd64.deb
[08:36] <paul_____> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[08:37] <PeterFA> Blast, I just installed Kubuntu on my lappy and now I forgot the password already.
[08:37] <paul_____> this is the java that i tried to install
[08:38] <jussi01> paul_____: please pastebin the whole output
[08:38] <paul_____> what does pastebin mean
[08:38] <jussi01> !pastebin | paul_____
[08:42] <erghezi> hi man
[08:43] <erghezi> i dont have any output from speaker
[08:44] <paul_____> Paste from paul at Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:43:05 +0000
[08:44] <paul_____> is that how you find it
[08:44] <paul_____> ??
[08:46] <paul_____> man im really bummed now i just got my kubuntu back online........ i should have known not to mess with it trying to get java to work but i needed it.....
[08:46] <paul_____> i dont want to go back to suse......... i like my cube effects on here
[08:48] <jussi01> paul_____: sorry, looked away
[08:48] <jussi01> paul_____: I need the url
[08:51] <paul_____> There are broken dependecies on your system. Please use an advanced package manage e.g. Synaptic or aptitude to resolve this situation.
[08:51] <paul_____> this  ?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/343396/
[08:52] <jussi01> paul_____: yeah, that :)
[08:52] <paul_____> ahh ok i get it now thats all i got to do to put up what the problem is...........
[08:54] <jussi01> paul_____: could you give me the output of this command: ps aux | grep apt
[08:57] <paul_____> http://paste.ubuntu.com/343406/
[08:59] <jussi01> hrm.
[09:11] <paul_____> wow i fixed my first problem  yipppppie     "sudo aptitude remove"
[09:12] <paul_____> with that it erased the sun java
[09:12] <paul_____> sun-java6-jre
[09:12] <paul_____> yippppie
[09:12] <paul_____> :)
[09:13] <paul_____> now i wonder what the term super cow means
[09:15] <paul_____> so whenever i want to use any of those commands i have to put "sudo aptitude" in there first
[09:15] <paul_____> and then i got that whole list to manipulate from??
[09:27] <CptnAwesome> hi folks, my kubuntu install renders ALL video incredibly slow (9.10, up-to-date)
[09:29] <soee_> how can i downgrade kde from 4.4 to 4.3.4 ?
[09:47] <paul_____> dont you just love it when you hit enter and think "whats the worst that could happen"
[09:59] <paul_____> how do i pull up a list of commands in terminal
[10:03] <paul_____> nevermind i forgot i copied and pasted them in the bin..........
[10:04] <paul_____> bound and determined to screw this up beyond repair........lol
[10:54] <nttech> what the heck???
[11:03] <soee> hi
[11:04] <shadeslayer> soee: hey
[11:04] <soee> yo :)
[11:07] <shadeslayer> soee: :)
[11:07] <soee> sup :>
[11:08] <shadeslayer> soee: nothing,just trying to install virtuoso to get nepomuk working :)
[11:09] <soee> dunno what virtuoso and nepomuk are :D
[11:09] <soee> im new to kde tbh
[11:09] <shadeslayer> soee: oh welcome then :D
[11:09] <soee> hehe not that new, im here since 2 weeks or smth :D
[11:10] <shadeslayer> soee: well nepomuk is (as simply as i can put it) a tagging service,a search service,and a bit more
[11:10] <shadeslayer> soee: just press F2 and type nepomuk :_
[11:10] <CptnAwesome> hi folks
[11:11] <soee> oh i see now :D
[11:29] <onurb> ciaooo a tutti
[11:51] <phant0m> where can i get flash player for ubuntu x64
[11:59] <Mamarok> pff, left already :(
[11:59] <soee> :)
[12:15] <kexman> hi
[12:15] <kexman> can you help me start CONSOLE with alt+f1 ?
[12:15] <kexman> how can i do that ?
[12:17] <shadeslayer> kexman: um set it in kcm?
[12:18] <shadeslayer> kexman: i mean in keyboard shortcuts
[12:19] <shadeslayer> kexman: its called input actions in system settings
[12:19] <kexman> shadeslayer: kcm ?
[12:20] <kexman> shadeslayer: so im at input actions what now ? :)
[12:20] <kexman> done it :)
[12:20] <kexman> thanks
[13:09] <subito> hello, I'm trying to crosscompile kdegames (ktron) for windows using this tutorial: http://www.cmake.org/Wiki/CmakeMingw; i did cmake using the toolchain file and it worked, then i went to the ktron folder of the kdegames and i did make, but that did not produce any window executable; then i did make install, and it produced some files in ~/mingw-install but there were still linux executables and not windows ones
[13:41] <islington> so on kde 4.4 b1 how do I turn on nepomuk?
[13:45] <kexman> gentoo with kde :)
[13:47] <UbunTE> Hi, someone can help me? I've got a plasmoid on my desktop (RSSNOW), when i click on a news, it open thunderbird and not a browser... how can I do to make it open with a browser?
[13:49] <Kolia> islington: systemsettings > desktop search ?
[13:50] <islington> Kolia: I get a message saying that virtuoso-soprano plugin must be installed
[13:50] <islington> oh and a whole bunch of timout messages from akonadi
[13:51] <Kolia> islington: I use to compile from source, not sure what you need to install
[13:52] <Kolia> wait a minute
[13:52] <islington> Kolia: okay
[13:53] <azhoral> hi
[13:53] <soee_> yo
[13:53] <azhoral> i have a problem with my screen resolution
[13:54] <Mamarok> islington: check if you can get the virtuoso backend in the PPA
[13:54] <azhoral> i use 1 pc with more monitor... sometime i connect to 1 Lcd 17, sometime to other..
[13:54] <islington> Mamarok: I searched for virtuoso and so far no luck
[13:54] <azhoral> every time that i connect, i chance resolution
[13:54] <azhoral> i want stay in 800x600 rate 60 every time with all monitor :(
[13:55] <Mamarok> islington: maybe not read then, keep in mind that it is a beta release
[13:55] <azhoral> is possibile? because he looking every time for max resolution in monitor...and set default in MAX RES
[13:56] <islington> Mamarok: yeah on the lucid todo page, it seems that virtuoso is still to be packaged/ get working with nepo. saves me from having to file a bug.
[13:57] <islington> restarting quassel
[14:13] <r4v3nsw0rd> what is a camera app for kde?
[14:15] <motown> i like digikam for photo management
[14:15] <cuneyt> varadero: çok afedersin ama bu dns adresi ne idi :(
[14:15] <Mamarok> r4v3nsw0rd: yes, dikiKam is a nice app
[14:15] <Mamarok> cuneyt: English, please
[14:15] <cuneyt> sory
[14:19] <r4v3nsw0rd> sorry, I meant for webcam, not photo management
[14:24] <Krezkey> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/WebKam?content=76902
[14:24] <Krezkey> webkam has a good rating on kde apps.org
[14:33] <shadeslayer> hi has anyone been able to get nepomuk to work?
[14:36] <axiom> so, randomly, when playing vidoe, people will turn blue.  Why would this happen?
[14:38] <r4v3nsw0rd> hmm, is webkam supposed to have a way so you can see what you are taking a picture of?
[14:38] <r4v3nsw0rd> because I'm not seeing it, it accesses the camera fine though, it's just that I don't know what I'm going to see at all, lol
[14:39] <JuJuBee_> I just finished the upgrade to Karmic.  My grub list still contains my old kernel (2.6.28-17) but not anything newer.  What happened?
[14:40] <shadeslayer> JuJuBee_: its still installed thats why
[14:40] <JuJuBee_> But shouldn't I have 2.6.31?
[14:40] <shadeslayer> JuJuBee_: so dont you have .31?
[14:41] <JuJuBee_> Well, it is there in /boot, but not in the grub menu.lst
[14:41] <shadeslayer> JuJuBee_: ok try : sudo update-grub
[14:41] <JuJuBee_> OK
[14:42] <JuJuBee_> still doesn't show the new kernel in the menu.lst
[14:42] <Krezkey> webcam looks like it has a preview screen..at least from this screen shot
[14:42] <Krezkey> http://linux.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/webKam-Screenshot-36240.html
[14:43] <r4v3nsw0rd> hmmm, I'm not seeing it for some reason =[
[14:43] <shadeslayer> JuJuBee_: uh which file are you looking at for the menu.lst?
[14:43] <JuJuBee_> I should have an entry for the 2.6.31 kernel...
[14:43] <r4v3nsw0rd> in fact... it doesn't look at all like the same application .-.
[14:43] <JuJuBee_> Can I copy / paste and change the kernel
[14:44] <shadeslayer> JuJuBee_: you can but its not recommended
[14:46] <JuJuBee_> So what do I do?
[14:47] <shadeslayer> JuJuBee_: well,can you tell me what sudo update-grub pipes out?
[14:47] <r4v3nsw0rd> I'm getting a cmake error::
[14:47] <r4v3nsw0rd> CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake-2.6/Modules/FindKDE4.cmake:84 (MESSAGE):
[14:47] <r4v3nsw0rd>   ERROR: cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake not found in
[14:47] <r4v3nsw0rd>   /home/loki/.kde/share/apps;/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/apps;/usr/share/kde4/apps
[14:47] <r4v3nsw0rd> Call Stack (most recent call first):
[14:47] <r4v3nsw0rd>   CMakeLists.txt:5 (find_package)
[14:48] <JuJuBee_> shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/343595/
[14:49] <shadeslayer> r4v3nsw0rd: what are you trying to compile?
[14:49] <r4v3nsw0rd> webkam
[14:50] <shadeslayer> JuJuBee_: for some reason it didnt detect your kernel...
[14:51] <JuJuBee_> shadeslayer: it says Found  kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-16-generic
[14:51] <JuJuBee_> But it did not add to meny
[14:51] <JuJuBee_> menu
[14:51] <shadeslayer> oh yeah...
[14:52] <shadeslayer> JuJuBee_: which file are you checking for the menu.lst?
[14:52] <JuJuBee_> What do you mean?  I am viewing /boot/grub/menu.lst looking for an entry for the 2.6.31-16 kernel
[14:53] <shadeslayer> JuJuBee_: its /boot/grub/grub.cfg with grub2 now
[14:54] <shadeslayer> JuJuBee_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[14:54] <JuJuBee_> Oh...
[14:54] <JuJuBee_> My bad... but when it booted up it showed me what is in /boot/grub/menu.lst...  let me check the new file...
[14:55] <JuJuBee_> I dont have /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[14:56] <shadeslayer> JuJuBee_: 0_o
[14:56] <shadeslayer> JuJuBee_: do you have grub2?
[14:57] <JuJuBee_> shadeslayer: dunno, how to check?
[14:59] <JuJuBee_> shadeslayer: which grub2 shows nothing
[14:59] <shadeslayer> JuJuBee_: apt-cache policy grub2
[15:00] <JuJuBee_> Ah not installed
[15:00] <JuJuBee_> should I apt-get it?
[15:00] <shadeslayer> JuJuBee_: yep
[15:01] <JuJuBee_> shadeslayer: should I chainload ?
[15:02] <shadeslayer> JuJuBee_: yep
[15:02] <shadeslayer> JuJuBee_: its safer that way
[15:02] <JuJuBee_> Then update if it works?
[15:02] <BluesKaj> howdy
[15:02] <JuJuBee_> or leave as  chainload
[15:02] <shadeslayer> JuJuBee_: yes
[15:02] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: hey
[15:02] <BluesKaj> hi shadeslayer, JuJuBee_
[15:03] <JuJuBee_> Howdy
[15:04] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: hello :)
[15:04] <JuJuBee_> shadeslayer: ok, done, gonna reboot.  be back soon...hopefully... ;)
[15:05] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: updated to 4.4?
[15:05] <Krezkey> BluesKaj: hi thanks for the help last week
[15:06] <Krezkey> does anyone know where I can get a printable list of konsole commands from the net ?
[15:06] <BluesKaj> yeah, on lucid but it's crashy ...4.4 is default
[15:07] <shadeslayer> !terminal | Krezkey
[15:07] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: do you have nepomuk working?
[15:08] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: karmic has missing packages with virtuoso
[15:09] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, nope never used it
[15:09] <shadeslayer> :
[15:09] <BluesKaj> if I need a file I just use the command box list
[15:10] <BluesKaj> the command run box, that is
[15:10] <jacquesdupontd> im so happy my kubuntu aliases i've made function compiz profile desktop settings rocks, BIG THX TO KUBUNTU now my prefered Ubuntu version
[15:11] <Krezkey> shadeslayer, thanks
[15:11] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer , I don't even know what that nepomuk actualy does
[15:11] <shadeslayer> Krezkey: no problems
[15:11] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: hehe... well its a tagging service :P
[15:12] <BluesKaj> Krezkey, are you setup ok now ?
[15:13] <BluesKaj> tagging service for ?
[15:13] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: it tags folders and then when you type them in krunner it quickly displays them
[15:13] <Krezkey> BluesKaj, well I got my grub problems fixed at least
[15:13] <BluesKaj> good
[15:14] <Krezkey> fixed it with the winXP repair on install CD with fixmbr command
[15:15] <Krezkey> how do you guys get the replys to hi-light like that in the room ?
[15:16] <Krezkey> cool orange here on my screen when you reply to me
[15:17] <r4v3nsw0rd> name: message highlights the line for the person 'name'
[15:17] <BluesKaj> Krezkey, it highlights the actual text in Konversation, not just an orange bar across the text like quassel
[15:18] <Krezkey> does anyone have a problem with a distro named Ultimate Edition. was looking inot trying it
[15:18] <BluesKaj> windows ? :)
[15:18] <Krezkey> BluesKsj: like this
[15:18] <BluesKaj> W7
[15:18] <Krezkey> BluesKaj: like this
[15:19] <JuJuBee_> shadeslayer: Well, some success.... I cannot use the 2.6.31 kernel, had to revert back to 2.6.28-17
[15:19] <Krezkey> no not W7 , a redone Ubuntu  9.10
[15:19] <shadeslayer> JuJuBee_: what happened?
[15:19] <patch_> channel list
[15:19] <BluesKaj> Krezkey, I'll take a pic of my screen to show you what i mean
[15:20] <patch_> Hi How are You?
[15:20] <Krezkey> thats ok...as long as I know you guys see me...lol
[15:20] <JuJuBee_> shadeslayer: my mouse keeps darting back to the upper left corner of the screen 1sec after I move it... makes it hard to use ... :D
[15:21] <Pici> !ultimate | Krezkey
[15:22] <shadeslayer> JuJuBee_: hehe
[15:22] <BluesKaj> Krezkey, like this http://imagebin.ca/view/DH7iffB.html
[15:22] <shadeslayer> anyone got nepomuk to work in 4.4?
[15:22] <Krezkey> not asking for support for it, just asking if anyone has a problem or dislike of it for a reason.
[15:24] <Krezkey> BluesKaj: ok i see . mine has a wide colored patch over the reply.  thanks
[15:24] <JuJuBee_> shadeslayer: not funny... well, maybe a little :D
[15:25] <JuJuBee_> Now I cannot get amarok to run...  amarok: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libamaroklib.so.1: undefined symbol: _ZTIN6TagLib3ASF4FileE
[15:25] <shadeslayer> i have no idea what that means
[15:25] <BluesKaj> I tried quassel, but running more than one server at a time is clunky as hell , maybe cuz I'm just so used to the straightforward simple konversation :)
[15:25] <Krezkey> on that distro of Ultimate Edition. just wondered if anyone has run it and what they thought of it before I try it.
[15:26] <BluesKaj> Krezkey, mce ultimate might have it's own chat
[15:26] <Krezkey> well this is what was installed. just using it till I learn more about ubuntu
[15:27] <Krezkey> yeah they may. but thats like asking a ford guy asking how people in a chevy chat likes chevys...lol
[15:28] <Krezkey> man i messed that line all up
[15:28] <Krezkey> you get the idea I hope
[15:29] <BluesKaj> Krezkey, not really mce is ubuntu/debian based iirc
[15:30] <Krezkey> I am sure everyone has tried different distros of linux before they got to here on ubuntu. thats why I asked here
[15:30] <BluesKaj> I've heard some good things about linuxmint as well , and after this I may just install it on a partition/..looking for a stable media freiendly OS
[15:31] <Krezkey> I have this running on a old 20gb external usb drive. just to learn about linux
[15:31] <Krezkey> internal is XP
[15:32] <BluesKaj> XP is till the best MS-OS ...IMO
[15:32] <BluesKaj> BBIAB ...stuff to do
[15:33] <Krezkey> this is kind of cool. runs faster,looks cleaner just confusing to me being a newbee
[15:33] <Krezkey> ok
[15:33] <Krezkey> ttyl
[15:40] <lolmac> excuse me
[15:40] <lolmac> kubuntu uses xfce?
[15:40] <lolmac> oops
[15:40] <lolmac> xubuntu*
[15:40] <lolmac> uses xfce?
[15:44] <JuJuBee_> I cannot get amarok to work.  I purged it and reinstalled it and still get an error.  Any help?  #amarok is very quiet.
[15:46] <Krezkey> JuJuBee:I had problems with that on one install . and never did get it fixed.
[15:47] <Krezkey> locked up and if it did work had very low volume
[15:47] <JuJuBee_> Krezkey: bummer.  I can't get banshee to play my music either.
[15:47] <JuJuBee_> Seems upgrading to karmic was a mistake.
[15:49] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee_, if you're desperate , VLC will probly work ...it's not amarok or banshee , but it works
[15:50] <JuJuBee_> Yea, I know but I have many playlists....  I liked the interface of banshee and amarok...
[15:50] <JuJuBee_> Was hoping the newest release of amarok was better than what was in 9.04....
[15:51] <JuJuBee_> Seems this is  known bug...  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/449459
[15:52] <BluesKaj> amarok hasn't worked since the kde3
[15:52] <JuJuBee_> They mention removing libtag but it is not installed... maybe that is the problem?
[15:52] <Krezkey> 9.10 didnot come with amarok did it ?
[15:53] <JuJuBee_> I don't know.... I had it installed already.
[15:54] <JuJuBee_> does banshee require gnome?
[15:55] <azhoral> i need help for make fixed the screen resolution.. everytime i change monitor with my pc, resolution go MAX
[15:55] <azhoral> can i fix resolution on 800x600 rate 60?
[15:55] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee_, check the properties in your package-kit , to see what libs are required
[15:56] <BluesKaj> just some gtk-libs , JuJuBee_
[15:59] <JuJuBee_> BluesKaj: what do I do wtih KPackageKit?  I searched for banshee and see 1.5.1-1 (amd64)
[16:00] <JuJuBee_> Oh, Depends On is empty
[16:01] <Krezkey> thats weird, 2 days ago I was listening to my music and now there is nothing in my menu to play them anymore
[16:02] <JuJuBee_> BluesKaj: seems the version of taglib might be an issue.
[16:02] <JuJuBee_> For amarok, i mean
[16:14] <JuJuBee_> I am browsing my sources list and see that the medibuntu us unchecked now.  It says 9.04, can I re-check it? or do I need to add a different source for karmic?
[16:15] <BluesKaj> JuJuBee_, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade sgoukd do it
[16:15] <BluesKaj> should
[16:18] <JuJuBee_> Very weird... banshee  has rescanned my music lib, but won't play anything...
[16:18] <JuJuBee_> Do I need to reinstall mp3 support?
[16:29] <lolmac> hi
[16:29] <lolmac> i'm trying to uninstall kubuntu
[16:29] <lolmac> i installed it into windows 7
[16:29] <lolmac> and i get the error message
[16:29] <lolmac> Internal error
[16:30] <lolmac> Failed to run pylauncher
[16:30] <lolmac> what do i do to uninstall it?
[16:32] <Krezkey> JuJuBee: did you get amarok working yet ?
[16:34] <JuJuBee_> Krezkey: nope
[16:34] <Krezkey> JuJuBee: if not you may want to try juk
[16:39] <JuJuBee_> Nice.  Works
[16:39] <Krezkey> JuJuBee: what works ? juk
[16:40] <JuJuBee_> yes
[16:40] <Krezkey> cool
[16:40] <JuJuBee_> not as nice looking as amarok and banshee but my playlists all imported fine.
[16:40] <Krezkey> I don't think amarok is for kde. not sure
[16:41] <White_Pelican> amarok is a kde app
[16:41] <JuJuBee_> Yes, it is for kde
[16:42] <Krezkey> I just reinstalled juk. for some reason it disapeared from my system since last played
[16:42] <Krezkey> ok , was not sure
[16:44] <Krezkey> yeah I have to admit amarok looks nicer,but if it will not run looks mean nothing
[16:47] <Krezkey> in the menu update tool it keeps telling me it found 20 new things so I tell it to update the menu but never see a change. anyone else have that ?
[16:51] <White_Pelican> sound preferences is not responding
[16:54] <Krezkey> well I am out of here. talk to you all later.
[17:35] <tobi_> you guys say, the best video player is ...what?!
[17:35] <thanosantpc> hi is anybody there?
[17:36] <thanosantpc> i want ask something
[17:36] <tobi_> ask!
[17:36] <thanosantpc> which are the latest nvidia drivers for kubuntu?
[17:36] <thanosantpc> 185?
[17:37] <Kadaj> http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html
[17:37] <thanosantpc> how i cas install the latest nvidia drivers for my laptop is there any program to do this/
[17:37] <thanosantpc> ?
[17:38] <Kadaj> just go system->hardware drivers
[17:38] <thanosantpc> this program find the latest driver?
[17:38] <soee_> latest are 190.xx as far as i remember
[17:39] <genii> thanosantpc: You may be thinking of "envy"
[17:39] <genii> !envy
[17:39] <thanosantpc> envy?
[17:39] <Kadaj> you could download the latest from nvidia site
[17:39] <genii> thanosantpc: Yes, see above the bot's remark. For kde it's envyng-qt
[17:41] <thanosantpc> ok thans genii :D
[17:42] <thanosantpc> i installed it but coudnt find 190
[17:44] <Scherenhaenden> hi everybody
[17:44] <Scherenhaenden> im trying to boot my kubuntu on vbox
[17:44] <Scherenhaenden> but
[17:44] <Scherenhaenden> it doesnt work
[17:44] <soee_> any errors ?
[17:44] <Scherenhaenden> i installed virtualbox-ose-guest-x11 but
[17:45] <Scherenhaenden> yup
[17:45] <Scherenhaenden> virtualbox-ose-guest-x11: hängt ab: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.6.2) soll aber nicht installiert werden
[17:45] <Scherenhaenden> i got that
[17:46] <simo_> hello every body
[17:46] <simo_> i hav a problem
[17:46] <simo_> the system are not able to read my pendrive
[17:47] <simo_> what i havr to do ?
[17:47] <Scherenhaenden> mm
[17:48] <Scherenhaenden> someone knows what do i have to do?
[17:48] <JuJuBee_> Which flash plugin should I have for karmic?
[17:49] <JuJuBee_> gnash?
[17:52] <nbnds> is there more Qt software than Gtk+ software?
[17:53] <Scherenhaenden> virtualbox-ose-guest-x11: hängt ab: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.6.2) soll aber nicht installiert werden
[17:53] <Scherenhaenden> :(:(:(
[17:54] <Scherenhaenden> bitte hilfe
[17:54] <Scherenhaenden> :(:(
[17:58] <selofi> hi
[18:00] <genii> Scherenhaenden: Looks like it requires 2:1.6.2 or later of the package xserver-xorg-core  before the ose-guest package will install
[18:03] <soee> do u know how can i set custom refresh for my screen (i nave nvidia card), oh and the max refresh rate taht my monitor can handle isnt in nvidia-settings panel
[18:06] <Scherenhaenden> genii: sorry i was giving food to my cat
[18:07] <Scherenhaenden> yeah but how can i change that package?
[18:08] <Scherenhaenden> genii:  i try it with sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:08] <Scherenhaenden> if u know how i can do that... or what i got to do... i will be really :D
[18:09] <genii> !info xserver-xorg-core
[18:09] <Scherenhaenden> but i did an upgrade... to lynx
[18:09] <Scherenhaenden> kubuntu 10.04
[18:10] <genii> !info xserver-xorg-core lucid
[18:10] <Mamarok> Scherenhaenden: please ask in #ubuntu+1 then, we do not support Lucid yet
[18:11] <Scherenhaenden> Mamarok: du weiß dass ich nicht so gut verstehe englisch... und morgen habe ich prüdung davon... :(... äh... ich wollte es nur probieren... deswegen im vbox... und wollte ein bißchen hilfe dabei... aber wenn nicht möglich ist
[18:11] <Scherenhaenden> dann ok...
[18:11] <Scherenhaenden> bin immer sehr zu neurigig nach neugkeiten
[18:12] <Mamarok> tja, da musst du halt entweder dort fragen, oder es selbst ausknobeln, in #kubuntu gibt es keinen Support dazu, das kommt erst nach dem Release
[18:12] <Mamarok> ok, back to English, now :)
[18:52] <Morydd> Would a very large image file cause the "browse" option when uploading something to the web to be very, very, very slow?
[18:53] <el_diavoloXXX> Morydd: sounds like you are using windoze... :)
[18:53] <el_diavoloXXX> Morydd: sounds like you are using windoze... :
[18:53] <el_diavoloXXX> Morydd: you will need to give more detalis
[18:53] <Morydd> what details would you like?
[18:54] <el_diavoloXXX> are you using firefox, what version....
[18:54] <el_diavoloXXX> what web page ?
[18:55] <Morydd> Firefox 3.5.5, any web page. When I want to upload an image (for example a profile picture).
[18:56] <boubbin> what is the soundKonverter in kde4 ?
[18:56] <Morydd> If I go to the /home/sean/Images directory, it takes 2-3 minutes to display the directory contents.
[18:57] <eltern> hey there
[18:57] <el_diavoloXXX> Morydd: maybe it's not firefox related then...
[18:57] <eltern> I've have a problem installing the package "edubuntu"...
[18:57] <eltern> can anyone help me? I've kubuntu 9.10
[18:58] <aaron___> Morydd: Have you tried just a simple reboot to see if that clears it up? If not, possibly run updates as well?  Or, have you installed any new software recently?
[18:58] <Morydd> aaron___: this has been an ongoing problem.
[18:58] <aaron___> eltern: sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop-kde
[18:58] <Morydd> so there have been reboots and updates.
[18:59] <Morydd> I suspect it's because there'a s 95MB file in that dir.
[19:00] <eltern> i am getting a "eltern ist not in the sudoers file" <-- sorry, totally noob. :P
[19:01] <aaron___> eltern: That is interesting.  Is this a brand new install of kubuntu?
[19:01] <eltern> yes...
[19:01] <eltern> but i created a new admin-account via kde-interface...
[19:01] <eltern> and checked admin-rights for that account
[19:02] <aaron___> Morydd: I haven't ever seen that happen becuase of a large file, but anything's possible.  Just to eliminate or validate that as a possibility, can you try moving that file to another directory?
[19:04] <eltern> aaron__: i don't have access to user managment neither...
[19:06] <n_np> should we pwng the user management system again?
[19:06] <n_np> no
[19:06] <n_np> because if you want to play that game
[19:06] <n_np> we will play the non disclosure game
[19:07] <aaron___> eltern: did you remove the ORIGINAL user from the system?
[19:07] <eltern> No.
[19:07] <eltern> I just dischecked the admin-rights..
[19:07] <eltern> reinstall? ;)
[19:07] <Morydd> moving that file doesn't seem to have helped.
[19:07] <Morydd> Oh well.
[19:07] <aaron___> Ok. no, not yet. we may still be able to edit sudoers manually
[19:07] <eltern> ok. :)
[19:08] <eltern> learning by doing...
[19:08] <aaron___> one moment
[19:09] <aaron___> ok, open up a terminal. should say something like eltern@host etc. etc.
[19:09] <eltern> (the strange thing is that I can install other packages like koffice ...)
[19:09] <eltern> jup
[19:09] <eltern> it's ope
[19:09] <eltern> n
[19:09] <aaron___> type su <old username>
[19:09] <aaron___> then password
[19:10] <eltern> ok, done
[19:10] <eltern> jana@jana:/home/eltern$ now
[19:10] <aaron___> sudo visudo
[19:10] <aaron___> should bring up the sudoers file in vi
[19:11] <aaron___> or nano. whichever is default
[19:11] <eltern> # /etc/sudoers
[19:11] <eltern> #
[19:11] <eltern> # This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root.
[19:11] <eltern> #
[19:11] <eltern> # See the man page for details on how to write a sudoers file.
[19:11] <eltern> #
[19:11] <eltern> Defaults        env_reset
[19:11] <eltern> # Host alias specification
[19:11] <eltern> # User alias specification
[19:11] <eltern> # Cmnd alias specification
[19:11] <eltern> # User privilege specification
[19:11] <eltern> root    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[19:11] <aaron___> scroll all the way to the bottome
[19:11] <eltern> # Uncomment to allow members of group sudo to not need a password
[19:11] <aaron___> and past the last line
[19:11] <eltern> # (Note that later entries override this, so you might need to move
[19:11] <Vroomfondle> erm
[19:11] <eltern> # it further down)
[19:11] <Vroomfondle> !pastebin
[19:11] <eltern> # %sudo ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL
[19:11] <eltern> # Members of the admin group may gain root privileges
[19:11] <eltern> %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[19:11] <eltern> right?
[19:12] <eltern> ok, thanks.. :P
[19:12] <aaron___> ok. ctrl and x out
[19:12] <eltern> sorry!
[19:12] <aaron___> not quite done
[19:12] <aaron___> looks like when you add a user as admin it does not add them to correct group
[19:13] <aaron___> now do
[19:13] <aaron___> sudo useradd -G admin eltern
[19:13] <eltern> now there are some options i can take..
[19:13] <aaron___> such as?
[19:14] <eltern> (e)dit sudoers file again, e(x)it without saving changes to sudoers file, (Q)uit and save changes to sudoers file (DANGER!)
[19:14] <aaron___> x
[19:14] <aaron___> we don't want to make any changes to the file
[19:14] <eltern> useradd: user 'eltern' already exists
[19:15] <aaron___> yes, my bad. do sudo usermod -a -G admin eltern
[19:15] <eltern> said nothing, now?
[19:16] <aaron___> exit
[19:16] <aaron___> type exit
[19:16] <eltern> ok?
[19:16] <aaron___> should drop you to your eltern@host
[19:16] <aaron___> and use a command with sudo
[19:16] <eltern> like what?
[19:16] <aaron___> just try sudo apt-get update
[19:17] <eltern> yeah!
[19:17] <eltern> loding now edubuntu. :)
[19:17] <eltern> +a
[19:18] <eltern> thanks aaron. :)
[19:18] <aaron___> i will post a bug report for that as well
[19:18] <aaron___> you're welcome
[19:18] <eltern> where can i donate?`;)
[19:18] <aaron___> haha, not really sure
[19:19] <eltern> no paypal account? ;)
[19:20] <aaron___> oh, I have one.  no need to donate though.  I'm just sitting at work doin nothing anyway, so in a round a bout way you already donated ;-)
[19:20] <eltern> ok, to entertain you is my biggest wish. :)
[19:21] <eltern> linux-noobs must be funny anyhow, eh?
[19:21] <aaron___> nope. I was one myself.  Heck, still am in a way. Always something new to learn
[19:21] <aaron___> actually, I just switched to KDE yesterday, so learning a lot
[19:22] <aaron___> ran gnome for quite some time, fedora up until a month ago
[19:22] <eltern> yeah, the computer is for my girlfriend's nieces (8 and 10) and edubuntu is like perfect and free ... so i just wanted to play the linux game myself...
[19:23] <genii> !contribute
[19:23] <eltern> KDE 4.3 is beautiful, tested it with version 3.x and it was ugly like hell...
[19:23] <aaron___> yes, did not like kde 3
[19:23] <aaron___> however. kde 4.3 is much more polished than gnome. all of the apps just "fit" together
[19:25] <eltern> is there a nice multimedia player like vlc (for windows) for linux?
[19:25] <ratatosk> Help Spread this link to every IRC-network | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq2TBOHWFRc&feature=player_embedded
[19:26] <genii> eltern: Yes...vlc :)
[19:26] <eltern> ah, there is vlc for linux. :) great!
[19:26] <eltern> can i install edubuntu and vlc parallely?
[19:26] <eltern> or should i wait?
[19:27] <aaron___> just add vlc after edubuntu-desktop-kde
[19:27] <aaron___> so
[19:27] <genii> ratatosk: Don't do that in here please
[19:27] <aaron___> sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop-kde vlc
[19:28] <eltern> ok, console is nice. :)
[19:28] <ratatosk> genii: Ok, sorry I just had to, I won't do it again. I just had to. It's so awful.
[19:29] <aaron___> most powerful tool available ;-)
[19:30] <eltern> is there a faster way to open the terminal, like ctrl+t or anything?
[19:30] <soee> do u know when the fullscrenn bug in vlc will be fixed ?
[19:30] <aaron___> eltern: you could do an application launcher widget
[19:30] <eltern> uh, which fullscreen bug?
[19:31] <aaron___> i'm not aware of any shortcut keys
[19:31] <eltern> we had one on windows while doing dual screen modus?
[19:31] <tsimpson> eltern: you can set a shortcut from the menu editor, right click on the kmenu icon and choose "Menu Editor"
[19:32] <tsimpson> or just install yakuake and have a terminal appear when you press F12
[19:32] <eltern> done the shortcut.. :)
[19:36] <ionut> can anyone help my with php?
[19:48] <eltern> ok, played some edubuntu games and think they are great. :)
[19:49] <eltern> bye bye
[19:53] <ionut> ubuntu irc ?
[20:05] <rork> ionut: #ubuntu
[20:24] <jcook_> any use dansguardian here
[20:25] <jcook_> anyone
[20:28] <cragdor> Hi all, not sure if this is where to post this but can people with karmic, tell me if they have a file called Phonon-Xine.xine.conf? Apparently it holds the phonon config but i can't find it!
[20:28] <cragdor> Should exist in ~/.config/kde.org/Phonon-Xine.xine.conf
[20:30] <jcook_> I can find it
[20:31] <jcook_> can not find it
[20:31] <jcook_> sorry
[20:32] <cragdor> Its strange acording to the phonon channel its needed for phonon to work so they suggest we might be storing it somewhere else or under a different name and they can't help untill i find it
[20:33] <paul_____> i finally figured out why they call it a hard drive....... cause sometimes you have to use a hammer to fix it..........
[20:37] <ionut> can anyone help me with php?
[20:48] <Kolia_> wtf?
[20:48] <diablo_> Hi everyone. What tool do you use on kubuntu to partition medias ?
[20:52] <apparle> I want to use sun jdk with netbeans how to do it
[20:53] <apparle> !jdk
[20:54] <diablo_> apparle: install sun-java-jdk ...
[20:55] <apparle> diablo_: when i try to install the package netbeans... openjdk is a dependency
[20:56] <diablo_> apparle: and what is the problem ?
[20:56] <apparle> diablo_: I don't want to install openjdk
[20:57] <diablo_> ah, you want to use netbeans with sun jdk
[20:57] <ionut> apparle: if u want to use net beans u need a version of JRE and the jdk installed
[21:00] <apparle> ionut: so if I have sun jdk and sun jre installed then netbeans wouldn't require openjdk?
[21:04] <ionut> yes
[21:04] <ionut> apparle:  it will not require it anymoe
[21:07] <ionut> apparle:  if it does just specify where u have installed jre with --javahome
[21:13] <Philo> I've just finished installing Kubuntu and need to activate a video driver to install, Where can I find the application to do so?
[21:14] <apparle> Philo open the kmenu and type hardware drivers
[21:14] <Philo> Okay, did it.
[21:14] <Philo> There we go, thanks.
[21:23] <jimmy51_> i have three super irritating problems.  i'm running kubuntu 9.10 + updates.  A) Copy and Paste seems to work intermittantly and is very annoying.  Some apps work most of the time and sometimes not.  Some apps never work.
[21:23] <jimmy51_> B) clicking an item in the taskbar doesn't have consistent behavior.  sometimes it will minimize/maximize the app, sometimes it does nothing.
[21:24] <jimmy51_> C)  halfway through attempting to burn any CD, i get an error.  sometimes it says it doesn't have permissions to open the device.  sometimes it says unkown error.
[21:24] <jimmy51_> do any of these sound familiar to anyone in here?
[21:45] <jana_> hey there!
[21:46] <jana_> How can i change my computer name after i've installed kubuntu?
[21:46] <jana_> Version 9.10
[21:47] <PeterFA> I'm so happy with the new version of Ubuntu.
[21:47] <PeterFA> It's so much better than the predecessors.
[21:49] <jana_> Do you use ubuntu or kubuntu, PeterFA?
[21:49] <PeterFA> jana_, Kubuntu.
[21:49] <jana_> Me too. :)
[21:50] <jana_> can anybody help me?
[21:52] <apparle> jana_: do you want to change the hostname
[21:53] <jana_> Yeah, hostname, computername ... what you see when you click on the startmenu "user name" an "computername"
[21:54] <sysop> hi guys
[21:55] <apparle> jana_: I don't know if this works or not..... found it by google http://www.ducea.com/2006/08/07/how-to-change-the-hostname-of-a-linux-system/
[21:55] <apparle> Guest65636: hi
[21:55] <Guest65636> I am trying to install kbuntu 9.10 on a emac with 1 gig ram. and the installer seems to hang right at the begining.
[21:56] <sysop2> is there a command line way to install kubuntu on powerpc?
[21:57] <sysop2> I thought it was a problem with the disk so I setup one big partition and 1 swap patition there is nothing else on the hard drive.
[21:57] <sysop2> and it still hangs.
[21:57] <jana_> no ... didn't work
[21:58] <sysop2> is there a command line way to install kubuntu on powerpc?
[22:02] <slix_> 70% of the time, when I boot into Kubuntu from grub, I either just get a flashing underscore right after grub (never goes away) or the kubuntu loading screen freezes..
[22:05] <slix_> It's getting a bit annoying having to restart 4/5 times when booting up.
[22:07] <soee> slix_: kubuntu 10.04 alpha ?
[22:07] <slix_> No.. /me checks version.
[22:08] <slix_> Is there a command for that?
[22:08] <slix_> I'm not using the alpha though.
[22:08] <sysop2> is there a command line way to install kubuntu from the live cd?
[22:10] <slix_> Running Ubuntu 9.10 according to cat /etc/issue
[22:11] <sysop2> will I have to use the alternate install cd?
[22:11] <slix_> Should I reinstall? I would be fine with that.
[22:14] <sysop2> is anyone going to answer me?
[22:17] <slix_> sysop2, sorry. I'm new to ubuntu and don't know. However, http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html#wait
[22:21] <miglo> does someone know whether kaffeine is able to play matroska files with h264 content?
[22:24] <slix_> Reasking: I'm having an issue with Kubuntu during bootup. I select Ubuntu from the grub menu, but afterwards I have issues. About 70% of the time, I either just get a blinking underscore (forever) or the Kubuntu loading screen shows but it freezes partway through.
[22:24] <slix_> The same issue occurred on the liveCD.
[22:26] <slix_> The rest of the 30%, I get through to Kubuntu fine (as I am now). I do have some probably unrelated issues involving Wine.
[22:27] <slix_> I am using Ubuntu version 9.10.
[22:27] <miglo> slix_ : have you already checked the system logs?
[22:29] <slix_> No. How do I access those? (I'm new to Ubuntu)
[22:30] <miglo> start a shell (xterm, mlterm, konsole, ...) and execute 'dmesg | less' and scroll through the messages
[22:31] <miglo> maybe one of those will point you to the problem
[22:33] <slix_> How can I differentiate between different sessions? (After all, the error did not occur on this session)
[22:35] <slix_> If this only shows the most recent boot-up, then it won't be of much help in determining what went wrong. :(
[22:36] <miglo> you are right, than please try to have a look on /var/log/messages
[22:36] <miglo> e.g. 'less /var/log/messages'
[22:37] <slix_> Alright, thanks. Looking through.
[22:38] <slix_> Is there a way to scroll to the bottom quickly?
[22:38] <miglo> shift + <
[22:39] <slix_> (That's top? I used shift + >) Thanks!
[22:41] <slix_> I'm going to reboot and mark down the time that I boot later so I can make sense of these timestamps.
[22:45] <miglo> slix_ : you can write your own messages into this messages file if you want - use 'logger "my own message"'
[22:46] <miglo> slix_ : or ... logger "rebooting now :)"
[22:48] <miglo> bye
[22:52] <erqzor___> i'm looking for a way to synchronize a directory with my nas under opensolaris (wanna update from my local machine to the nas)
[22:52] <erqzor___> test rsync and unison, but rsync is a bit too slow :'(
[22:53] <noaXess> hello.. can anybody look at this shot.. http://imagebin.ca/view/X2qzntU9.html this happends if i logout from kde.. or if i suspend and resume my notebook....
[22:54] <noaXess> i need to restart to get it fixed..
[22:55] <joshjtl> hi folks, can i add a repo just for koffice-kde4 ppa instead of for the entire: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu karmic main ?
[23:12] <joshjtl> hi folks, can i add a repo just for koffice-kde4 ppa instead of for the entire: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu karmic main ?
[23:15] <lbkxbx> Hey, does anyone know how to use the nouveau driver from the repo in karmic? Can't get it to load.
[23:23] <BenPA> hi ... if you have auto signon and have just installed kubuntu .... how do you get to it if don't have a signon screen to choose between ubuntu and kubuntu
[23:28] <tsimpson> BenPA: short answer is you can't
[23:29] <lbkxbx> BenPA: if you installed both kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop one 1 install, then you can just log out, and choose ubuntu session. The auto-login is just for the initial login :)
[23:35] <BenPA> lbkxbx: it is auto login ... can I make change by going into user profile and changing back to non auto login and choosing the option then?
[23:36] <BenPA> tsimpaon: it is auto login ... can I make change by going into user profile and changing back to non auto login and choosing the option then?
[23:36] <tsimpson> you can
[23:37] <Fanfare> BenPA: systemsettings > advanced > loginmanager
[23:37] <BenPA> tsimpaon: ty
[23:44] <BenPA> can anyone tell me how I can correct the kdesudo "error" when I first startup Kubuntu 9.10 ... should I just uninstall it?
[23:51] <hengha> hi, I did normal aptitude full-upgrade on my karmic and reboot, after login, my screen is completely black, can NOT see any of the icon,window, whatsoever. now I have to login via gdm to work under gnome, any idea ? I am on Nvidia GT9600 and with it lastest 190.53 driver
[23:51] <hengha> I did not tweak the kubuntu , just use the by-default setting
[23:52] <Fanfare> hengha: do u have a mouse on ur blank screen?
[23:52] <hengha> Fanfare: yes
[23:52] <hengha> X seems fine, just could NOT see anything
[23:53] <dtchen> probably kwin compositing
[23:53] <Fanfare>  hengha: press <alt>+<f2> and start plasma-desktop
[23:53] <hengha> I can still get error pop up msg window after login on the back screen
[23:53] <hengha> dtchen: ya, I spot someone mentioned that I need to edit some file under .kde ?
[23:54] <hengha> Fanfare: oops, how can I start plasma-desktop ?
[23:54] <hengha> plasma-desktop is a cmd ?
[23:54] <Fanfare> once plasma-desktop started goto systemsettings > advanced > autostart and check/add to automatically start plasma-desktop
[23:55] <hengha> Fanfare: how can I start plasma-desktop ?
[23:55] <Fanfare> hengha: plasma-desktop is the command to start plasma
[23:55] <hengha> gotcha, trying, sorry have to quit , rebooting


[06:19] <fabbione> morning
[04:58] <Lathiat> does the ubuntu  kernel (2.6.10-5-686) include the alps touchpad patch?
[04:58] <Lathiat> alternatively, is there a list of patches somewhere? i havent beenable to find one
[08:49] <fabbione> Lathiat: no. it was broken
[08:50] <fabbione> and it was breaking other stuff
[08:50] <fabbione> like ps2 mouse
[08:50] <fabbione> the patch list is in the source
[08:50] <Lathiat> righton
[08:50] <Lathiat> and it is? must have missed it
[08:50] <fabbione> debian/patches/00list
[08:50] <fabbione> + the version number
[08:51] <fabbione> if you grab the highest num, you are ok
[08:51] <Lathiat> righto
[08:51] <Lathiat> thanks
[08:51] <Lathiat> ahh, look at that
[08:52] <Lathiat> oh look you guys fix suspend and resume on my ethernet chipset, how nice of you. :)
[08:54] <Lathiat> fabbione: where can i find the source package to build this against?
[08:54] <Lathiat> (the <IP_ADDRESS> tree)
[08:54] <fabbione> Lathiat: there is no .11.91 out yet
[08:54] <fabbione> there will be one around monday or max tuesday
[08:55] <Lathiat> (im looking at baz tree)
[08:55] <fabbione> and since it's not 100% published i don't want it to go around
[08:55] <fabbione> because it might change in the last second
[08:55] <Lathiat> ok, sure thing


[09:20] <kraut> moin
[11:21] <kraut> hi
[11:21] <kraut> are there any issues concerning nfs-handling in the feisty-kernel?
[11:21] <kraut> i have problems with fast chainging permissions
[11:21] <kraut> two nodes using the same nfs-share on a fileserver. one node changes permissions and the other node see this changes only a minute later.
[03:48] <Lost__> anyone answering questions on kernel support yet?
[03:51] <kraut> Lost__: not really ;)
[03:52] <Lost__> kraut, such is life - always waiting for something!
[03:53] <kraut> Lost__: indeed, but not over 24 hours everytime :/
[03:53] <zul> besides this channel isnt for support
[03:54] <ICU> so says the topic :)
[03:54] <Lost__> zul please enlighten me as to its purpose if not to answer issues with kernel support?
[03:55] <ICU> "topic: Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY"
[03:55] <kraut> discussion about a bug isn't a development-issue? sounds interesting
[03:55] <soren> kraut: You didn't mention any bugs. You said "support". That's different.
[03:56] <kraut> soren: i said "support"?!
[03:56] <soren> kraut: If it's about a bug, it might very well be relevant.
[03:56] <Lost__> My question has to do with missing kernel files to properly install a vid card. Where would I go to find answers?
[03:56] <soren> kraut: Sorry, no.
[03:56] <kraut> soren: it was about i bug wich i described tomorrow and i am still waiting for an answer...
[03:56] <soren> kraut: tomorrow?
[03:57] <kraut> this morning, sorry
[03:57] <soren> kraut: "morning" is not a very good reference. :) I'm for instance in CEST while most of the kernel team is in the US.
[03:58] <ICU> several hours ago?
[03:58] <kraut> i am also using CEST. ok, it's over six hours ago
[03:59] <amitk_> kraut: if your feel it is a kernel bug specific to Ubuntu, file a bug on Launchpad.net. If it a generic kernel bug, file it upstream.
[03:59] <kraut> where do i find the changelog about the ubuntu-kernel?
[03:59] <kraut> or is that a support-question?
[04:00] <Mithrandir> /usr/share/doc/linux-image-$(uname -r)/changelog.Debian.gz ?
[04:01] <amitk_> Here is the link to the kernel git repository: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-gutsy.git;a=summary
[04:01] <kraut> Mithrandir: thanks
[04:02] <kraut> amitk_: i just want to verify the chanegs ubuntu did between 2.6.15 and 2.6.20, because 2.6.15 is running fine but the hardware-support is worst in it.
[04:03] <amitk_> kraut: are you comfortable using git?
[04:04] <kraut> yes, why?
[04:06] <amitk_> clone the repository above
[04:06] <amitk_> then run 'git log v2.6.15..Ubuntu-2.6.22-9.20 ' to find _everything_ that changed
[04:07] <amitk_> kraut: to restrict to changes in a particular subdirectory add the path after the git log command
[04:08] <kraut> amitk_: the website is fine for me. also i only need a diff between 2.6.15 and 2.6.20.
[04:08] <amitk_> e.g. git log v2.6.15..Ubuntu-2.6.22-9.20 fs/nfs
[04:08] <amitk_> kraut: ok. great
[04:13] <kraut> amitk_: if you want to see, what i mean: http://exodus.packetloss.biz/~kraut/temp/nfs_issue-2.6.20-3
[04:14] <kraut> erm, ignore that
[04:16] <ICU> heh
[04:17] <kraut> http://exodus.packetloss.biz/~kraut/temp/nfs_issue-2.6.20-3
[04:32] <amitk_> kraut: 'git log Ubuntu-2.6.17-10.25..Ubuntu-2.6.20-4.5 fs/nfs* | grep UBUNTU' does not yield any Ubuntu-specific patches. So you breakage is likely causes upstream
[04:32] <kraut> hmmmmm, severall changes between 2.6.17 and 2.6.20 in write.c of nfs. only documentated with "cleanup" :/
[04:33] <kraut> amitk_: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu%2Fubuntu-feisty.git&a=search&h=HEAD&s=write.c
[04:35] <amitk_> kraut: those are 'cleaning up' sysfs, not nfs
[04:36] <amitk_> ohh wait
[04:36] <kraut> amitk_: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-feisty.git;a=commit;h=49a70f278658894d2899824cd4037095fb6711fe
[04:36] <kraut> that one for example
[04:38] <amitk_> kraut: these are coming from _upstream_. Have you verified this with newer kernels from other distros? or from kernel.org kernels?
[04:38] <kraut> not until yet
[04:38] <kraut> amitk_: i am just searching through lkml
[04:39] <amitk_> kraut: Just repeating myself here: 'git log Ubuntu-2.6.17-10.25..Ubuntu-2.6.20-4.5 fs/nfs* | grep UBUNTU' does not yield any Ubuntu-specific patches. So you breakage is likely causes upstream.
[04:39] <kraut> i read it ;)
[04:39] <amitk_> I would urge you to file a bug on kernel.org :)
[04:40] <kraut> yes yes
[04:40] <kraut> ;)
[04:41] <kraut> first i should give 2.6.20-29 a try
[05:02] <lamont> BenC: eta to a kernel with hppa happiness?
[07:12] <lazka> i guess this has been asked a thousand times... but what are the chances for 2.6.23 in gutsy?
[07:22] <zul> lazka: nil im thinking
[07:24] <lazka> zul: k, thanks
[07:24] <zul> considering 2.6.23 hasnt even been released yet
[07:25] <kylem> why do you want .23?
[07:28] <lazka> kylem: nothing really important... while playing counterstrike i often get lags and i thought maybe the new scheduler might change this,,
[07:30] <zul> lazka: doesnt stop you from building your own from source though
[07:30] <pmjdebruijn> lazka, probably not
[07:30] <pmjdebruijn> lazka, if you only run a single application, the schedular does not make much of a difference....
[07:30] <pmjdebruijn> lazka, and if you run multiple apps... you plain shouldn't while gaming
[07:33] <lazka> zul: that's on my todo list :)
[07:35] <lazka> 2.6.22 seems to be a good one... i hope BenC will get some more sleep then last time right before the release :P
[08:23] <doko> BenC: please could you prepare a linux-libc-dev for lpia? I don't care, if kernels are built, maybe build just a generic kernel, with -march=i686 -mtune=i586, and use explicitely gcc-4.1
[08:32] <BenC> doko: you could probably use i386 package and force install it (or dpkg-deb munge it for lpia arch)
[08:47] <doko> BenC: so scared that you leave? ;-P
[08:48] <BenC> doko: trying to get this laptop stable :)
[08:48] <doko> BenC: no, we're done with the bootstrap, now needing to make build-essential workable. could you upload a new package today?
[08:48] <doko> BenC: one more reason to build linux-libc-dev from separate source ...
[08:48] <BenC> doko: not really, tribe-4 freeze is in affect
[08:49] <doko> BenC: what's the problem, just the lpia change
[08:49] <BenC> building it from separate source sort of defeats the purpose :)
[08:49] <BenC> doko: it's the rebuild of all of linux-image's and pitti will shoot me
[08:49] <infinity> pitti will understand, iff you don't break the build of the other arches...
[08:49] <BenC> doko: if the bootstrap is done, how did it get done?
[08:50] <infinity> We have i386 packages in the chroots.  We'd really like to not.
[08:50] <infinity> (Would be nice to be able to debootstrap lpia...)
[08:50] <BenC> doko: but linux-source-2.6.22 doesn't even know what lpia is...it would take me some time to add a new arch
[08:50] <doko> infinity: debootstrap worked =)
[08:51] <infinity> doko: Sure, but it's incomplete.
[08:53] <doko> BenC: just copy the i386 bits for now and just build one kernel (or none, if thats possible)
[08:55] <BenC> Ok, I'll try to get an upload tonight
[09:07] <djavolo> hi all
[09:07] <djavolo> how i can update kernel?
[09:13] <JanC> djavolo: with apt-get or synaptic


[19:27] <philipballew> pleia2, got a sec for a pm?
[19:28] <pleia2> philipballew: go for it
[19:44] <raevol> secrets!
[19:45] <philipballew> raevol, we're talking about your birthday party we are planning
[19:45] <raevol> sweet!


[19:45] <davef> Huh, so Nvidia and Samsung git breached recently. Fun times.
[19:46] <zxmpi> and they're just the companies that have admitted to being breached.
[19:55] <davef> i'm sure there's more to come
[19:56] <zxmpi> almost like and bear with me here you shouldn't put stuff you want to keep secret on public network :-P
[19:58] <daftykins> hehe
[19:59] <daftykins> i've got to have a meeting tomorrow with my pal and these guys that are pushing hard for using AWS for this thing, but they sent us a proposal document and i've genuinely never seen a worse piece of work that is allegedly made by adults in my life
[20:00] <zxmpi> everyone else is doing it! it must be safe!
[20:01] <daftykins> they drew a diagram of how they imagined it working - and threw on a bunch of federated login stuff that doesn't even apply to our setup
[20:01] <daftykins> to me it reads like someone trying to wow you with terms and hoping you won't attempt to look them up yourself
[20:03] <zxmpi> take out your buzzword bingo card and cross off the jargon used at the meeting :-P
[20:05] <daftykins> \o/
[20:05] <daftykins> i've managed to get them to shunt it back a bit so i can chat to my pal and explain just how terrible it is before we speak to them
[20:06] <zxmpi> ...and if any of them say blockchain so help you you won't be rsponsible for your actions :-P
[20:10] <daftykins> it'll be good there's the English Channel between!
[20:23] <zxmpi> wow, what market share does firefox have again? https://www.howtogeek.com/790234/firefox-97-is-under-attack-update-now-to-protect-yourself/
[20:24] <davef> I use FF
[20:24] <zxmpi> same but it's a pretty niche brower at this point
[20:25] <davef> and that makes me sad
[20:26] <daftykins> me too - and i'm sad about it too
[20:32] <zxmpi> mozilla seems intent on driving away their userbase with every change and not seeing any new users for their troubles
[20:36] <davef> tbh, I've been giving MS Edge a good poke and it's doing a darn good job. I just saw today it now support picture-in-picture for video, something I used often in FF.
[20:37] <zxmpi> i usually have 3-4 browsers on the go at any time and switch between them for certain sites/addons/features. currently firefox, chromium, vivaldi, midori
[20:39] <davef> I've been using Edge as my primary browser for work, I've quite enjoyed using it.
[20:43] <daftykins> zxmpi: you get his legs
[20:51] <zxmpi> i'll get my hacksaw... :-P
[20:52] <daftykins> hmm, takes a while to get through ankles though
[20:58] <zxmpi> it's all about the speed. fastest amputation had a 300% casulty rate. done in 12? seconds. patient died, man holding him down( no anaesthetic) died from infection when doctor cut off a few of his fingers and an onlooker died from heart attack.
[20:59] <zxmpi> something i always remember when people talk about the good old days
[21:00] <daftykins> <man without fingers> i have 3 bones to pick with you, Doctor!
[21:02] <zxmpi>  //looks at inflamation around wound// i'll meet you next week
[21:25] <davef> MS Edge works great on Ubuntu :-X
[21:59] <zxmpi> i have heard that. i'll never know :-P
[22:02] <daftykins> but you'll be left wondering 'what if', forever on the edge of your seat...
[22:24] <zxmpi> after using ms software from late 80s to early 00s i'm confident in my decision :-)