[00:36] <marknigh> Hi all, Did an upgrade of Precise this morning. It get's to a point in boot up to where it has a problem with Plymouth and then it flashes back and forth from a cursor on a black screen to the boot up check list. If I mess with it enough  it says there is a graphics problem and prompts me to proceed with minimal graphics. I can view logs and such but that's about it. I boot up with 10.04 with no problem. That's what I'm on. I went to F1 terminal and
[00:36] <marknigh> updated and upgraded but still stuck.
[00:37] <marknigh> It's Precise after an upgrade
[00:37] <marknigh> It hangs after Plymouth
[00:57] <Fudge> aplay -l http://paste.ubuntu.com/819518/
[00:57] <Fudge> having trouble getting audio to work, doesnt seem like i have a driver loaded, should i pastebin anything else?
[01:41] <coz_> ok guys, just did dist-upgrade and now i have japanese as main language :)
[01:42] <coz_> how do I change language in gnome3?
[01:43] <coz_> I think I found it, nevermind
[03:13] <urlin2u> So anyone seeing any problems with libreoffice open fine but has a lot of symbols added to documents
[03:13] <urlin2u> opens*
[03:34] <urlin2u> So anyone seeing any problems with libreoffice opens fine but has a lot of symbols added to documents already made?
[03:44] <urlin2u> formatting seemed to be set weird all fixed
[06:33] <coz_> hey guys, I have chinese scattered all over the system ,, any solution?
[06:33] <coz_> chinese font rather
[06:37] <coz_> here's an example of what I  mean   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/screenshots/Screenshot%20at%202012-01-28%2001%3A35%3A43.png
[06:42] <snadge> youve been hacked by a chinger
[06:42] <snadge> format and reinstall before you are kidnapped and wake up in china missing body parts
[06:42] <coz_> :)
[06:43] <snadge> haha thats cool
[06:43] <coz_> snadge,  cute, :), but do you have a solution
[06:43] <snadge> umm no, maybe check your locale seetings
[06:43] <snadge> i cant remember how
[06:43] <coz_> snadge,  did that, this happened after dist-upgrade
[06:44] <snadge> hmm, thats an odd one
[06:44] <coz_> right
[06:44] <coz_> never had this happen in 8 years
[06:44] <snadge> something is set to chinese somewhere
[06:44] <snadge> the question is, what
[06:45] <coz_> exactly or it is a bug
[07:50] <alkisg> Hi, I'm looking for an adblock-plus.deb package for Precise, I know those were removed from the archive but I thought they'd be available in a PPA, would anyone know which PPA?
[07:51] <alkisg> This one? https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/xul-ext
[07:52] <urlin2u> alkisg, that k=link says it supports precise.
[07:53] <urlin2u> isn't it a FF addon?
[07:53] <alkisg> Yes, it is
[07:53] <alkisg> I'm trying to find a global way to install it, instead of telling thousands of users to separately install it themselves
[07:53]  * alkisg tries installing from that ppa...
[07:56] <alkisg> Hmm it worked but I got a prompt "are you sure you want to install this extension? firefox needs to be restarted... etc" when I launched firefox after the .deb installation
[08:02] <urlin2u> alkisg, that is common with FF mine does it as well
[08:06]  * alkisg shrugs... thank you
[08:37] <jo-erlend> is there some place where we can read details of the status from day to day about +1, like a journal?
[08:38] <Essobi> Umm.. in #ubuntu+1 on Freenode, is good I hear.
[08:41] <jo-erlend> no it isn't. It's a real-time media.
[08:47] <Essobi> Not if you leave it open and like... read it later. :D
[12:19] <aguitel> any new news about nvidia-173 drivers in precise ?
[12:35] <aguitel> iceroot, you readme ?
[12:54] <BluesKaj> Hiyas  all
[13:43] <aguitel> is anyone upgrade oneric to precise ?
[14:13] <penguin42> I did a month or so ago
[14:19] <aguitel> penguin42, it works until now ?
[14:20] <penguin42> aguitel: The upgrade went well then, and I've been doing upgrades every week since then - occasionally some things break; but not too bad
[14:21] <aguitel> penguin42, what is your video card ?
[14:21] <penguin42> aguitel: I'm running two systems with PP - one with Intel, and one with Radeon (using the open driver)
[14:21] <aguitel> ok
[14:40] <chmac> How do I install acroread? It's not showing up in the partners repo as yet. Grab it from oneiric?
[14:41] <penguin42> chmac: Yeh that's probably the easiest; however, have you tried some of the free pdf readers?  I find Okular (that comes with KDE) nicer than the default Gnome one
[14:42] <chmac> penguin42: evince works fine, except for fancy forms created in some BS proprietary nonsense...
[14:42] <chmac> The joy of applying for foreign visas... :-)
[14:43] <penguin42> chmac: Ah I see, still worth giving Okular a go to see whether it will cope
[14:44] <chmac> penguin42: Pretty sure it won't, I read that only acrobat works. :-( http://www.quickpdflibrary.com/faq/if-this-message-is-not-eventually-replaced-by-the-proper-contents-of-the-document.php
[14:46] <penguin42> chmac: Yeuch horrible!
[14:46] <chmac> I know!
[14:47] <chmac> Even worse that the government of Canada publishes documents in this format.
[14:47] <penguin42> and I always thought Candians were harmless!
[14:47] <penguin42> a
[14:48] <chmac> lol
[14:51] <chmac> Can I safely clear /var/lib/apt/lists/ ? It's at 555M right now!
[14:52] <jtaylor> yes
[14:52] <jtaylor> how did it grow so large :O
[14:54] <penguin42> 109 and 135M on my 2 machines here
[14:56] <chmac> I was downloading from several mirrors, so I cleaned out all the alternate mirrors, and now it's back to 110M.
[14:57] <chmac> I've got /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.38-8/10/11/12/13 folders, but those kernels are not installed, also safe to wipe?
[14:57] <jtaylor> are the header packages still installed?
[14:57] <chmac> jtaylor: Nope, no header packages installed, but maybe it dates back to my pre-precise install.
[14:57] <chmac> I'm not 100% certain if the / partition was reformatted or not.
[14:58] <chmac> Alright, 2.3G of disk space reclaimed... :-)
[15:00] <chmac> Is /usr/lib/libreoffice really ~380M? Seems awfully high...
[15:00] <jtaylor> libreoffice is a large package
[15:00] <jtaylor> alone the download is ~70mb so 380 unpacked is realistic
[15:01] <chmac> My /usr dir is 3.4G!
[15:01] <chmac> Oh well, I'm back to a reasonable size overall for /, so that's fine.
[15:01] <chmac> Thanks for the help
[15:01]  * penguin42 hopes the LO cleanup they're doing will help shrink it
[15:02] <jtaylor> might be interesting to try btrfs with compression if you need space
[15:03] <chmac> My root partition is 7.5G, 2.3G free right now, so it seems ok. Just don't want to have to repartition. I'm on a 128G SSD running full disk encryption, so space is at a premium.
[15:04] <chmac> jtaylor: Thanks for the suggestion.
[15:07] <penguin42> yeh it's difficult these days - especially during upgrades
[15:12] <oly> hi, has anyone else experienced a problem with the unity launcher bar not loading, it seems to work fine in 2d but not on the normal desktop, i have icons on the desktop and apps launch etc just no bar or unity ?
[15:12] <oly> i have had this for quite a few weeks now was kind of expecting it to rectify itself at some point,
[15:13] <penguin42> oly: I haven't had that; do you get any errors anywhere? What graphics card are you using?
[15:13] <oly> its fglrx, so i did wonder if its related to the card
[15:13] <oly> i dont see any error, where would they be logged for unity ?
[15:14] <oly> perhaps i need to put terminal into startup, so i can try launching unity manually
[15:15] <oly> as i cant launch new apps in the normal version :) but my startup apps launch fine :)
[15:16] <penguin42> oly: I'm thinking of maybe a segfault logged in dmesg
[15:17] <penguin42> oly: You could try starting the unity stuff in a terminal and see if it immediately crashes
[15:17] <oly> yeah i will try that just there is no way to launch a terminal, but if i chuck it in the startup that should work
[15:18] <penguin42> oly: Ah ok, so ctrl-alt-f1 should get you a textual logon, in there do export DISPLAY=:0.0  then gnome-terminal &   then ctrl-alt-f7 (or maybe f8) to get back to the graphical
[15:19] <oly> aha cool, beans will try that in a sec
[15:41] <yofel> talking about compression, I wonder if lzo support for grub2 will get into precise
[15:41] <yofel> it was added upstream
[16:53] <lucas-arg> hello, im having problem switching desktops in 12.04 no option in lightdm, am i missing something?
[17:02] <maldive> hi, i just upgraded my system including X and nvidia-current and now x won't start
[17:02] <maldive> is this a common problem=
[17:02] <maldive> ?
[18:59] <urlin2u> So I had a crashing precise at the start of the desktop turned out top be the pae kernel I have just 2 gigs and don't need it, it seems a autoadde to the download not familiar with the changes happening.
[19:01] <urlin2u> the boot cd crashed as well as the install to be more precise, lol
[19:02] <urlin2u> and 32 bit
[19:42] <penguin42> urlin2u: If you're getting a crash with the PAE kernel it would still be good to report it - that really shouldn't happen
[19:43] <lucas-arg> im having problems login into cinnamon, any ideas?
[19:43] <urlin2u> penguin42, yeah I haven't had the time I'm swamped with my college course stuff this is my graduating semester
[19:43] <penguin42> urlin2u: Ah, well good look with that!
[19:44] <urlin2u> penguin42, yeah I'm happy it was easy I'm a older student, no biggie.
[19:47] <penguin42> urlin2u: What hardware are you running on?
[19:53] <urlin2u> penguin42, a acer d250 netbook maed to 2 gigs ram 32 bit
[19:53] <urlin2u> maxed
[19:53] <penguin42> I remember there have been a few people on here with problems with d250's
[19:53] <urlin2u> penguin42, you want my lspci in a pastebin?
[19:53] <penguin42> no, it wont help me
[19:54] <urlin2u> cool
[19:54] <penguin42> urlin2u: if you could run ubuntu-bug linux in a terminal in it and comment in the bug that it was the PAE version that failed it would be good
[19:54] <penguin42> if you get a chance
[19:55] <urlin2u> cool  will boot to precise and do that
[20:01] <jbicha> lucas-arg: uninstall cinnamon and see if it helps ;)
[20:03] <urlin2u> penguin42, I just had another crash I think it is the sdhc card I had removed, it has a windows psuedo swap on it that may be the actual problem here.
[20:03] <urlin2u> not sure really
[20:04] <penguin42> urlin2u: when it crashes does it show a screen full of errors or just hang?
[20:05] <urlin2u> penguin42, goes to text says something about return to tty but freezes before getting there. The reisub command does not reboot it as well
[20:05] <aguitel> is anyone using nvidia-173 drivers in 12.04 ?
[20:06] <urlin2u> penguin42, running now without the sdhc but getting errors to report, I just don'y\t have the time right now I have to et to the paper due on momday.
[20:06] <urlin2u> get*
[20:07] <penguin42> urlin2u: No problem
[20:07] <urlin2u> penguin42, cool
[20:48] <codepal> Hi, I want to test 12
[20:50] <codepal> what difference does the lubuntu 12.04 have over the standard?
[20:50] <codepal> I'm kinda worried that all the new bling won't work on my budge Intel GMA graphics card
[20:52] <codepal> is this the right place to get the standard build? -- http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[20:54] <jbicha> codepal: as long as you don't have GMA500, you should be fine with Intel graphics
[20:57] <codepal> G33/G31 :'(
[20:57] <jbicha> codepal: lubuntu uses lxde.org which is quite a bit different than what the standard Ubuntu uses
[20:58] <codepal> yeah, I'm a long-time lxde user...
[20:58] <codepal> I like light desktops
[20:59] <codepal> what's the process for getting organised to test 12.04?
[21:27] <penguin42> jbicha: GMA500 has just gone into 3.3 I think, so that might be good for next time
[22:30] <lucas-arg> 12.04 quite stable so far...
[22:55] <Vadi-mobile> Bug reporting is giving this error: "Cannot connect to crash database, please check your Internet connection.  <urlopen error [Errno -2] Name or service not known>" when I am clearly connected to the Internet. Is the database down?
[23:15] <Vadi-mobile_> Does anyone know where to obtain the 'Unique Submission Key:' when submitting a checkbox report manually?
[23:57] <codepal> I've a install problem in Ubuntu 12.04
[23:57] <codepal> :'(
[23:58] <codepal> I've gparted a SSD drive as ext4, want to manually configure the partition in the installer to use that drive & then installer crashes
[23:58] <codepal> how do I report this?
[23:59] <penguin42> codepal: Run ubuntu-bug ubuiquity if you can get a terminal
[23:59] <codepal> done
[23:59] <codepal> ta
[23:59] <penguin42> and say the bug number on here and someone might be able to spot something


[06:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #89607 in launchpad "LP beta: Opera tabs move down" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89607
[09:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #37447 in malone "Suggest possible duplicate bugs based on keywords/strings" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/37447
[10:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #30307 in malone "Use terms from duplicate bugs to return originals in searches" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/30307
[11:12] <Zic> hello
[11:14] <Zic> I have a problem with my account in launchpad I reported some many bugs and my karma decreases to 204>175,
[11:48] <Fujitsu> Zic: Did this occur a couple of days ago?
[11:50] <Zic> Fujitsu: This occur ~2days
[11:50] <Fujitsu> Zic: That was a fix for a karma-caching bug, and affected most people.
[11:51] <Fujitsu> (the drop was deliberate)
[11:51] <Zic> ah okay :)
[11:51] <Zic> thanks
[12:58] <stone-unix> anybody who care about the launchpad.net ubuntu translation interface? i have a bug/annoyance concerning doing translation work to report.
[12:59] <stone-unix> the annoyance greatly affected my work as a free contributor of chinese translation of ubuntu.
[01:04] <lifeless> stone-unix: its the weekend, so probably they aren't around. I suggest filing a bug - they do get attended to.
[01:04] <stone-unix> so, where should i report to?
[01:07] <lifeless> launchpad.net/launchpad/+filebug
[01:08] <kiko> or in the case of translations
[01:08] <kiko> launchpad.net/rosetta/+filebug
[01:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #89643 in launchpad "launchpad web layout annoyance when translating the ubuntu project.  " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/89643
[01:32] <stone-unix> New bug: #89643 is reported by me. :)
[01:34] <kiko> stone-unix, that's a known bug, and it's already fixed
[01:34] <kiko> just not rolled out
[01:34] <kiko> oh, actually not
[01:34] <kiko> I misread
[01:34] <stone-unix> bug or not?
[01:34] <stone-unix> kiko
[01:34] <kiko> wow
[01:34] <kiko> that is definitely a bug
[01:35] <kiko> but how have  never seen that!
[01:35] <stone-unix> please refer to the image i attached
[01:35] <stone-unix> well, if the message is short, you will get no chance seeing this
[01:36] <stone-unix> only when the message is very long, you will see that.
[01:36] <kiko> stone-unix, so I'm wondering whether this is related to a bug fixed by carlos where we didn't wrap certain messages
[01:38] <stone-unix> maybe the same
[01:38] <kiko> it sure looks like it
[01:38] <stone-unix> if you see that bug, didn't carlos fix that?
[01:39] <kiko> well it's not in production yet
[01:39] <stone-unix> how that happens again?
[01:39] <stone-unix> oh
[01:56] <stone-unix> back with chatzilla
[01:59] <kiko> I guess you didn't want to be different any longer. :)
[02:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #40173 in malone "When filing a bug, the popup package search should show package descriptions" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/40173
[02:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #54801 in malone "Shouldn't be possible to change status/assignee/importance/milestone of a duplicate bug" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/54801
[02:04] <stone-unix> are those two bugs related to mine?
[02:06] <kiko> not really -- just bugs that I updated statuses
[02:08] <stone-unix> oh, i see
[03:33] <arj> is there something wrong with launchpad atm.? I get permission denied (public key). It worked fine yesterday
[03:39] <kiko> hmmm
[03:39] <kiko> arj, trying to push a branch?
[03:39] <arj> yes
[03:39] <kiko> that's unusual
[03:40] <kiko> arj, and this exact public key is registered against your account, right? just sanity checking
[03:40] <arj> yes
[03:41] <arj> I did a lot of changes yesterday and when I woke up today and tried to push another one it didn't work. I havn't changed anything in the meantime
[03:42] <arj> my username is anders-gnulinux if that helps
[03:42] <kiko> lemme see
[03:43] <kiko> arj, hmmm, how odd. I can't see any GPG keys associated with your account at https://launchpad.net/~anders-gnulinux
[03:43] <kiko> does that make sense?
[03:43] <arj> yes
[03:43] <arj> but it uses my ssh key
[03:44] <kiko> and I need to take my medicine
[03:44] <kiko> let me try and find someone with access to the servers
[03:45] <kiko> wow, mms looks pretty cool
[03:46] <arj> thanks :)
[03:47] <ddaa> arj: before I get to check, can you please make absolutely sure that the ssh key you are currently using is the one registered with your launchpad account?
[03:47] <ddaa> 99% of the time people get this sort of error because they _really_ have the auth wrong.
[03:48] <ddaa> arj: please reset your public key in launchpad
[03:48] <ddaa> betcha it's gonna fix it
[03:49] <arj> hmm
[03:49] <arj> worked fine now
[03:49] <arj> that's strange
[03:49] <ddaa> arj: you changed anything?
[03:50] <arj> I added the host in .ssh/config and changed the push command to make sure it used the correct key
[03:50] <arj> I'm terribly sorry about that
[03:50] <ddaa> no problem
[03:50] <arj> I have no idea why it worked yesterday
[03:50] <ddaa> people always get confused about public key auth
[03:51] <ddaa> actually, there's a bug filed about giving better error messages when the auth fails
[03:54] <ddaa> bug 85392
[03:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 85392 in launchpad-bazaar "better sftp server error reporting" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85392
[04:42] <hacked_kernel> When opening an OpenGL screensaver it crashes???
[04:51] <hacked_kernel> Any ideas about this?
[04:57] <ddaa> hacked_kernel: you'd get better helped if you asked in an ubuntu-specific channel, I guess.
[04:57] <ddaa> this channel is just about Launchpad.
[04:57] <hacked_kernel> ddaa: Thanks
[07:50] <paul__> Is there a problem with launchpad right now? I can't login (if I give bad password it tells me, but if I give good one, then it returns but it still shows me 'Log in' in upper-right)
[08:01] <paul__> rebooted the computer and was log in automatically
[08:25] <parsek> how can i change my launcpad accounts name?
[08:25] <pochu> parsek: launchpad.net/~youraccount/+edit
[08:25] <parsek> thx
[08:25] <pochu> np :)
[08:28] <parsek> where does kubuntu send the bugreport it makes when some program crashes (kubuntu 7.04 (pre-release))?
[08:29] <pochu> parsek: it should notify in the tray icon
[08:31] <parsek> it just gathered info and send it then it opened launchpad site so i could register or log in (i had forgetted my password so i don`t know what it does then)
[08:32] <pochu> parsek: probably /var/crash/
[08:32] <pochu> though I'm not sure
[08:47] <parsek> bye, and thanks
[10:39] <arekm> hello, suppose that some project wants to use launchpad.net as bugs database; is there access to database dump of bugreports for that project later? in case when project want to switch to other bug tracking software some time later?
[10:41] <SteveA> there is.  it's not automatic yet -- it needs someone to run a script on the server and send out the data
[10:41] <SteveA> we'll be hooking it up to the UI soon
[10:42] <arekm> good, we (pld linux) are thinking about switching to launchpad...
[10:43] <arekm> are per project vhosts supported? (launchpad.pld-linux.org for example)
[10:46] <SteveA> no, not until we have openid working
[10:46] <SteveA> I'm interested though... what would you want to put on launchpad.pld-linux.org ?
[10:48] <arekm> just as alias for launchpad.net to use own domain for the thing
[11:35] <Kuhrscher> Good evening
[11:36] <Kuhrscher> Is the translation import for Feisty already finished?
[11:38] <Kuhrscher> I noticed that almost all translations of KOffice are incomplete although the last change (import) was on March 4th...
[11:39] <kiko> Kuhrscher, nothing suggests to me it is finished yet..
[11:39] <Kuhrscher> Sorry if I am too early with import bugs, I just rember the problems with KOffice the last two releases ;-)
[11:42] <kiko> Kuhrscher, there's way too much data in rosetta, which causes processes like this to be slow. we've got a big refactoring planned to make things faster, it is really annoying that things delay as they do right now
[11:43] <Kuhrscher> No problem so far. Do you already know when it is reasonable to start looking for failed imports?
[11:45] <Kuhrscher> The last two releases there have been a lot of problems with the KDE upstream translations. This time we should try to fix these before the teams start to translate...
[11:47] <kiko> Kuhrscher, I'm not sure yet. the interface tells me 37000 files remain to be translated, which is a /lot/
[11:47] <kiko> we need to check with carlos about this tomorrow
[11:47] <kiko> I was hoping it would be faster
[11:51] <Kuhrscher> Ok, thanks. Do we have some time to check the imports before the translation is opened?
[11:51] <Kuhrscher> Or at least the imports we had problems with the last two releases?
[11:53] <kiko> yeah, it should be fine to separate some time before we do the official opening, sure.
[11:58] <Kuhrscher> Ok, perhaps we will know more tomorrow ;-)
[11:58] <Kuhrscher> Bye


[01:21] <micahg> hi cyphermox
[01:22] <cyphermox> hey micahg
[01:22] <micahg> cyphermox: did you get my notes on ofono?
[01:22] <cyphermox> yep, if you mean those in the merge request?
[01:22] <micahg> cyphermox: yep
[01:58] <DEKiMA> What does MOTU stand for?
[02:00] <porthose> DEKiMA, Masters Of The Universe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[02:00] <DEKiMA> Ok. Haha...
[02:04] <DEKiMA> Ok, then I may belong here.
[02:05] <DEKiMA> I would like to see a package in the multiverse repo updated. Can I help with that? I know how to package it, that was pretty easy looking since I have plenty of Unix-like OS experience and computer experience in general.
[02:07] <maco> yeah just generate a new source package for the new version. make it for 11.04 since thats the development version
[02:07] <DEKiMA> Correct.
[02:07] <DEKiMA> How can I submit it to be added to the repository?
[02:07] <DEKiMA> Or to being the process of submitting it.
[02:08] <maco> since the old package already exists, i think just uploading the source pakage to  bug on launchpad saying "update foo to version bar in multiverse" and subscribing sponsors should work
[02:08] <maco> totally new packages go through revu
[02:08] <ari-tczew> and add tag 'upgrade;
[02:09] <DEKiMA> Oh ok. Sheesh I made an entire new project page. I'll delete that.
[02:09] <maco> theres tags for type of upload to be sponsored?
[02:09] <ari-tczew> maco: to type a bug
[02:09] <maco> whend that happen?
[02:10] <ari-tczew> it's not related to sponsorship
[02:10]  * ari-tczew is off to bed, bye.
[02:14] <DEKiMA> One question I need to ask is, can I create the source package on a non Debian based OS?
[02:17] <DEKiMA> I currently run Slackware and I believe I have all of the prerequisites except for apt or dpkg.
[02:17] <DEKiMA> However as I am simply downloading the source and packaging it for Ubuntu, I don't need to gather dependenies.
[02:18] <DEKiMA> For myself that is.
[02:26] <udienz> DEKiMA: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete#Packaging%20from%20Scratch
[02:28] <udienz> DEKiMA: do you like videos? dholbach makes great videos http://youtube.com/watch?v=zKLabbXTqMc http://youtube.com/watch?v=SwTp1YnehoI
[02:28] <maco> oh yes!
[02:28] <maco> dholbach's videos are how i learned to package :P
[02:29] <DEKiMA> I watched those videos. That's how I got interested in doing this.
[02:29] <maco> DEKiMA: well youd be expected to do a test build of the package
[02:29] <maco> so if you could get an ubuntu vm or something...
[02:29] <DEKiMA> On Ubuntu?
[02:29] <maco> or debian
[02:29] <DEKiMA> Ok.
[02:30] <maco> but need to check that the source package to binary package conversion goes over properly
[02:30] <DEKiMA> I don't have a problem install Ubuntu again. But I just didn't want to go to more work than I needed to.
[02:30] <DEKiMA> sed 's|install|installing|'
[02:30] <maco> well...hmmm
[02:30] <DEKiMA> Thanks, maco :)
[02:30] <maco> could manually execute the debian/rules file i suppose...
[02:31] <maco> but without dpkg-buildpackage or debuild im not sure how itd kick out a deb
[02:31] <DEKiMA> No that's ok haha. I'll just install 10.10. That is the version I want to use correct? Even though I'll submit it for 11.04 which isn't out yet?
[02:31] <maco> hmm speaking of slackware...
[02:32] <maco> oh actually
[02:32] <maco> instead of having a vm
[02:32] <maco> what you can do is have an sbuilder or pbuilder chroot
[02:32] <maco> which does a clean chroot'd build, so that the build dependencies are tested too
[02:33] <DEKiMA> I'm sorry?
[02:34] <maco> pbuilder & sbuilder are two tools that make minimal chroots of ubuntu (or debian or whatever) and you can give them the source package and they'll download the build dependencies, try the build, and spit out a deb if it worked
[02:34] <udienz> maco: i have a little bash script http://paste.ubuntu.com/543879/ helping me when i build in pbuilder
[02:35] <DEKiMA> I see.
[02:35] <maco> (and then they delete the build dependencies so you always have a clean chroot instead of ending up with cruft that keeps you from knowing whether you listed build dependencies correctly)
[02:35] <maco> ive never used them outside of ubuntu (since well... ive never stuck with any other distro more than a month) but i doubt chroot works differently on slack than on ubuntu :)
[02:36] <DEKiMA> Haha I'm very much the same way.
[06:41] <micahg> Riddell: bug 678283 was marked fix released, but I don't see it on launchpad as a source package in natty
[07:27] <hajour> hai all. i hope i am not shal disturb your time.i just want to ask ore someone wish to help us with the speech control voice command program with realistic voice
[07:28] <hajour> to let show who i am just read my wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hajour
[07:28] <hajour> i am from the accessibility team
[07:29] <micahg> hajour: how can I help you?
[07:30] <hajour> the team need help in time for to bind  programs and advice
[07:30] <hajour> they are not so sure witch program is the best
[07:30] <hajour> a little advice should be welcome
[07:30] <micahg> I'm sorry, I don't understand
[07:31] <hajour> bind=combine
[07:31] <hajour> maybe if you want to come to the channel because i am not a programmer
[07:32] <hajour> they can say it better
[07:32] <hajour> sorry for my bad english
[07:33] <micahg> hajour: which channel?
[07:34] <hajour> ##speechcontrol i now the channel have 2 ## but that is because they wanted a other name
[07:35] <hajour> but phillw can tell you that to
[07:54] <dholbach> good morning
[08:04] <hajour> bye all and thanks
[12:21] <geser> micahg: see bug 690356
[15:00] <Riddell> micahg: python-pyproj is in New queue
[15:25] <micahg> Riddell: I forgot about that, sorry :(
[15:25] <highvoltage> dholbach: the 16th of Debianber? :)
[15:26] <dholbach> highvoltage, I'm VERY stoked
[15:26] <dholbach> :-P
[15:26] <dholbach> (oops :))
[15:26] <micahg> geser: thanks
[17:40] <ari-tczew> ebroder: ping
[18:25] <smallfoot-> package 'rhyme' was in dapper, hardy, karmic, now its gone, why?
[18:28] <micahg> smallfoot-: dead upstream according to Debian
[18:31] <smallfoot-> but its was useful for me
[18:32] <smallfoot-> a dictionary isnt something that gonna get less useful cuz its dead
[18:34] <jpds> smallfoot-: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=553720
[18:36] <ebroder> ari-tczew: pong
[18:37] <smallfoot-> well i downloaded the .deb for karmic from packages.ubuntu.com and installed that
[18:37] <smallfoot-> so fuck that
[18:37] <ebroder> Though still working through backlog, so may be another minute
[18:37] <jpds> smallfoot-: Alright.
[18:37] <ari-tczew> ebroder: I downloaded your full branch, but it still doesn't work
[18:37] <maco> hey hey language...
[18:40] <smallfoot-> i can use whatever language i want, im a gangster, ubuntu is made for black ppl
[18:40] <ari-tczew> rofl
[18:41] <ebroder> ari-tczew: Can you pastebin the output?
[18:41]  * maco rolls eyes
[18:56] <ari-tczew> ebroder: http://paste.ubuntu.com/544127/
[18:56] <ebroder> ari-tczew: And backportpackage is a wrapper script that sets your cwd to the branch then runs backportpackage?
[18:57] <ari-tczew> ebroder: cwd?
[18:57] <ebroder> ari-tczew: current working directory
[18:58] <ari-tczew> ebroder: I downloaded your branch (by bzr branch)
[18:58] <ari-tczew> I went there
[18:58] <ari-tczew> and run command - rest you have on pastebin
[18:59] <ebroder> ari-tczew: If you're running "backportpackage" and not "./backportpackage", then you're running the one you put in ~/bin, not the one in the branch (it makes a difference)
[19:02] <ari-tczew> ebroder: yes, you're right
[19:02] <ari-tczew> ebroder: Please check the package in file:///tmp/backportpackage-9jCjux carefully
[19:03] <ari-tczew> but this file is not exist
[19:03] <ebroder> ari-tczew: It's a directory, not a file
[19:04] <ari-tczew> ebroder: anyway, doesn't exist
[19:04] <ebroder> ari-tczew: Did you say yes or no? The script cleans up after itself when it exits
[19:04] <ari-tczew> ebroder: there weren't any question
[19:05] <ari-tczew> seems like you don't know what your script is doing
[19:05] <ari-tczew> I was only asked about password to sign dsc file
[19:06] <ebroder> ari-tczew: I'd appreciate it if you weren't so combatative. You need to pass a --upload ppa:ari-tczew/ppa or whatever flag, otherwise backportpackage doesn't have anything to do once it creates the source package. I'll fix it to error out if you don't specify an action, though
[19:07] <ari-tczew> ebroder: so, can't I see .changes file before uploading? not good, not good!
[19:08] <ari-tczew> for that reason syncpackage is not welcome
[19:08] <ebroder> ari-tczew: No, if you pass a -u option, it will build the source package, give you that "please go inspect" message, then prompt you whether you actually want to upload the package or not before actually doing so. That's the point that you can see it
[19:09] <ari-tczew> ebroder: how should looks coomand with -u ?
[19:09] <ebroder> ari-tczew: -u is the same as --upload
[19:10] <ari-tczew> omg
[19:10] <ebroder> So something like ./backportpackage --from natty --to maverick --upload ppa:ari-tzcew/ppa clementine
[19:10] <ebroder> It won't automatically upload without asking you first
[19:11] <ari-tczew> ebroder: I suggest you to reconsider ~ppa0 instead ppa1
[19:11] <ari-tczew> always one revision to go :)
[19:11] <bdrung> ari-tczew: i prefer ~ppa1
[19:12] <Laney> Those two sets are isomorphic
[19:12] <ebroder> ari-tczew: I've always used ~ppa1. Just like Debian uses -1, and we use ubuntu1 or ~maverick1
[19:12] <bdrung> ari-tczew: you can see the .changes file if you use syncpackage - the reason for not being welcome is a different
[19:13] <ari-tczew> ebroder: for SRU/security we use ubuntu0.1 :)
[19:13] <ebroder> ari-tczew: But it's the .1 that matters, not the 0
[19:15] <ari-tczew> does anybody work on maverick? I'm looking for testers to test Clementine music player
[19:17] <Laney> the point is that ubuntu0.1 is less than ubuntu1
[20:00] <ari-tczew> ebroder: would be nice to add a flag -bug
[20:08] <ebroder> ari-tczew: I don't understand what that should do
[20:13] <ari-tczew> ebroder: support launchpad janitor closing bugs, like in syncpackage
[20:14] <ebroder> ari-tczew: I don't want to encourage using backportpackage for actually doing real backports. Those should be done by the AA's, who have their own way of closing bugs (just like with syncs)
[20:14] <ari-tczew> bdrung: what do you think about it? ^^
[20:15] <bdrung> ari-tczew: i see no need for specifying a lp bug


[00:52] <GTAXL> How can I change the default umask for a directory?
[01:01] <markthomas> I don't believe you can set umask on a per-directory basis.
[01:02] <GTAXL> markthomas, I have a web dir that SPGrab uploads snapshots to, by default it doesn't allow others to read, resulting in forbidden when someone tries to access my screenshots, so I have to go in and change the permissions on the newly uploaded pics
[01:04] <markthomas> Not familiar with spbrab.  But umask is per-process, not per dir.  You probably need to chmod in the process or some such.
[01:05] <GTAXL> maybe setfacl?
[01:05] <markthomas> I've never worked much with ACLs.
[01:05] <markthomas> Yeah.  That I couldn't tell you.
[01:05] <GTAXL> SPGrab works fine on my CentOS machine, really wanting it on my Ubuntu one
[01:05] <GTAXL> I tried recursive permissions, don't work
[01:06] <markthomas> What file ownership are the files getting when they're uploaded?
[01:07] <GTAXL> -rw-rw----
[01:07] <markthomas> And the ownership?
[01:07] <markthomas> What are the owner and group?
[01:07] <GTAXL> the user I upload via FTP as
[01:08] <GTAXL> SPGrab is used to take snapshots of your desktop, upload via ftp to a web dir, and share a link
[01:08] <markthomas> Hmm...
[01:09] <GTAXL> I just want others to have read access on new created files in /var/www/screenshots/
[01:09] <GTAXL> :P
[01:09] <markthomas> So, you need to set the umask not for a specific directory, but as part of the FTP process.  Is this process the only thing using the ftpd on that box?
[01:09] <GTAXL> no
[01:09] <markthomas> Hmm...
[01:10] <markthomas> Do they need access immediately after upload?
[01:10] <markthomas> i.e. can there be a couple minute delay?
[01:11] <GTAXL> Sorry about that, my ssh tunnel died. :S
[01:12] <markthomas> :)
[01:12] <markthomas> I'm at the end of my workday, and I'll need to run.  If a couple minute delay after upload is acceptable, try throwing a chmod into your cron.
[01:13] <markthomas> s/cron/crontab/
[01:13] <markthomas> It's a workaround, but it may do while you look into using ACLs.
[01:13] <GTAXL> hmm
[01:14] <markthomas> No, it's not attractive.
[01:14] <GTAXL> I've heard of sticky permissions, not sure if that's it
[01:15] <markthomas> It's not.
[05:44] <digitalcha0s> trying to remove the default login on ubuntu server 12.10 -> any hints for me?
[05:45] <digitalcha0s> i know issue and issue.net and the other one
[05:46] <digitalcha0s> motd
[05:47] <digitalcha0s> seems like i change it and then resets?
[05:57] <digitalcha0s> gay
[06:08] <digitalcha0s> i figured it out
[06:43] <glitchy351> Hello! I am new to This IRC channel. I was wondering if someone knows much about load balancing webservers in ubuntu 12.10 ?
[10:12] <aldwinaldwin> Question:  i've installed exim4 with a relay,  and have set the MAILTO= in crontab.  Via 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' i was able to masquerade the domain. The only thing I can't figure out, is to change  the  username 'root' in the From-Address to another username.   So, how to change  root(at)domainname.com  to   user(at)domainname.com ?
[11:13] <RoyK> hm... scripting in bash, I want to run this nagios check seven times and then return the largest exit code of all those tests combined (0-3). any idea of how to do that most easily?
[11:20] <Tzunamii> RoyK: Start Nagios from a script and put each exit status into an array. That's the start
[11:22] <Tzunamii> RoyK: After that you can sort the array and display the X number of top results
[11:38] <andol> RoyK: Alternative approachy, which may or may not apply, take a look at the check_multi plugin?
[12:39] <billy_ran_away> Hi, I've got a 5 1TB disk RAID 5 array and I'd like to migrate to 3 3TB disk array… what's the best way to do this?
[12:39] <billy_ran_away> I've got enough SATA slots to where I can run the old array in degraded state and run the new array in a degraded state as well.
[12:40] <billy_ran_away> Is this the recommended procedure? Run both in degraded, copy all the data over, then, remove the old disks and reboot with all the three new disks in?
[12:46] <davegarath> billy_ran_away: if you place a 3T disk into a raid with 1T disk and rebiuld it you will lost 2T because raid will cuts it on 1T
[12:46] <mardraum> billy_ran_away: I probably would not do it like that, I would use two machines in your situation, or another controller added in
[12:47] <billy_ran_away> Can't I run both in degraded state?
[12:47] <mardraum> davegarath: I don't think he wants to do that, he's just running out of sata ports?
[12:47] <mardraum> billy_ran_away: you probably can. like I said, I wouldn't do it like that. what happens if you have disk failure in that state?
[12:48] <mardraum> depends how important your data is, I assume your backups are all current :D
[12:48] <billy_ran_away> Then I insert my 5th drive back in and order another 1TB drive
[12:48] <mardraum> I don't think you are listening to me. good luck.
[12:49] <Ralf22> Hey. When I install 13.04 beta now, will I be up to date when the final version is released?
[12:49] <Nafallo> yes
[12:50] <Ralf22> thanks Nafallo
[12:50] <Nafallo> yw
[12:55] <billy_ran_away> Why is mdadm -C /dev/md0 -l 5 -n 3 /dev/sd[hg]1 missing not making a 6TB array when I'm using 3TB disks?
[13:05] <billy_ran_away> Why is neither cfdisk nor fdisk making the right size partitions on this 3Tb drive?
[13:06] <mardraum> maybe your hardware can't handle the sector size change?
[14:07] <billy_ran_away> mdadm -C /dev/md0 -l 5 -N media -R -n 3 /dev/sdd1 /dev/sdc1 missing
[14:07] <billy_ran_away> mdadm: cannot open /dev/sdd1: Device or resource busy
[14:07] <billy_ran_away> WTF? I just rebooted...
[14:10] <zastaph> if I upload my files by ftp how do I make sure they get www-data:www-data 775 like my other files in /home/zastaph/web ?
[14:10] <zastaph> setgid and umask? and what user should I use for ftp
[16:41] <roaksoax> kirkland: howdy!! did you upload testdrive 3.18 to the ubuntu archive or only ppa?
[16:51] <hallyn> ppetraki: hey - what would you say would be the most appropriate way to determine (from C) whether a blockdev is an lvm2 LV?  The functions in /usr/include/lvm2app.h ?
[16:51] <ppetraki> hallyn, /me looking
[16:56] <hallyn> thx!
[16:57] <ppetraki> hallyn, just posting publicly now :)
 the chessy way out to test for the negative, INQUIRY
[16:57] <ppetraki>  block devices don't respond to SCSI cmds
[16:57] <ppetraki>  all this code assumes you're trying to manage LVM
[16:57] <ppetraki>  so you pick a VG, and use that handle to get a list of LVs
[16:57] <ppetraki>  which is a royal pain in the ass
[16:57] <ppetraki>  shortcut, just interrogate device mapper
[16:57] <hallyn> ppetraki: what i'm doing is a generic blockdev layer in lxc,
[16:57] <hallyn> which should take the 'source path', the blockdev in lvm case, and decide 'yes, i can handle this'
[16:58] <hallyn> (so then it knows how to do snapshots)
[16:58] <ppetraki> yeah, anything with a linear driver in DM table is either an LV or MP path
[16:58] <ppetraki> well, an LV
[16:59] <hallyn> ppetraki: in the current script-based clone, i just do lvdisplay $dev
[17:00] <ppetraki> hallyn, you could also use the sg api and just pound all the devices with inquiry, not difficult, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5713668/
[17:00] <hallyn> suppose i could go see how that command works
[17:00] <ppetraki> hallyn, it tried to fail back, SCSI and ATA passthrough, both failed.
[17:01] <ppetraki> hallyn, as if you concat a bunch of devices, which ones ID do you return?
[17:01] <hallyn> you're talking mp?
[17:01] <ppetraki> hallyn, that's LVM
[17:02] <hallyn> concat devices?
[17:02] <ppetraki> hallyn, likely true of MP but I don't have system access to confirm
[17:03] <ppetraki> hallyn, sysfs is also useful, as block devices don't have make and model attrs, nor are they attached to the sd driver in sysfs device model
[17:03] <hallyn> ok, so your comment was about sg...  i demand the actual lvm device, not one of the backing physical devices, so hopefu
[17:03] <hallyn> oh yeah, lemme check sys
[17:05] <ppetraki> hallyn, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5713690/
[17:06] <hallyn> so i see:
[17:06] <hallyn> cat /sys/dev/block/252:9/dm/uuid
[17:06] <hallyn> LVM-B78EDPMWoBOMaP0szouAOQ6QDLsHCszyqKBLlxvtB41UudUh3CJyIFO0cDM35Df6
[17:06] <hallyn> I wonder if LVM- is predictable?
[17:06] <ppetraki> hallyn, you can do set exclusion at that point
[17:07] <hallyn> dm is not necessarily lvm right
[17:07] <ppetraki> hallyn, actually, yes :)
[17:07] <ppetraki> hallyn, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5713696/
[17:07] <ppetraki> hallyn, fixed?
[17:08] <hallyn> ppetraki: sweet, thanks :)
[17:08] <ppetraki> hallyn, UUID_PREFIX is hardcoded, so I think you're good, unless some uses udev to rename it
[17:08] <ppetraki> hallyn, at a minimum you've covered the common case
[17:08] <hallyn> if they want to mess with udev like that, they can get what's coming :)
[17:08] <ppetraki> hallyn, agreed :)
[17:09] <hallyn> ppetraki: thanks!   ttyl
[17:09] <ppetraki> hallyn, anytime!
[17:50] <ddsss> is keyring and seahorse installed by default in ubuntu?
[18:48] <Jaith> I just did apt-get update/upgrade on my server running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and noticed that PHP is ancient (5.3.10).  The latest version of php is 5.4.14.  The latest release of php 5.3 is 5.3.24.  Why on earth has canonical (or someone) not provided more up-to-date packages for PHP?  This is kind of ridiculous.
[18:55] <sarnold> Jaith: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ#Versions and http://www.debian.org/security/faq#oldversion
[18:56] <sarnold> Jaith: see also http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/php5.html
[18:56] <RoyK> sarnold++
[18:57] <sarnold> hey RoyK :)
[18:58] <RoyK> sarnold: ;)
[19:04] <Jaith> sarnold: thx
[19:04] <Jaith> oops..
[19:38] <disturbed> hello
[19:39] <disturbed> i'm having issues with automatically start tightvncserver at boot, any volunteers to help out?
[19:39] <disturbed> not... all... at... once... plz :)
[19:40] <bean> disturbed: chillax.
[19:40] <bean> disturbed: how did you install it
[19:40] <disturbed> sudo apt-get install tightvncserver
[19:40] <bean> okay, and how do you currently start the server
[19:41] <disturbed> tightvncserver -geometry 1980x1020 :0
[19:41] <disturbed> that works...
[19:41] <disturbed> then i made a /etc/init.d/tightvncserver, chmod +x
[19:41] <bean> okay
[19:41] <bean> and that script works to start it?
[19:42] <bean> this post seems to explain it pretty well
[19:42] <bean> http://askubuntu.com/questions/120973/how-do-i-start-vnc-server-on-boot
[19:42] <disturbed> if i execute: sudo /etc/init.d/tightvncserver it works
[19:42] <disturbed> but it doesn't do that at boot
[19:42] <bean> right
[19:43] <bean> you have to update it to run at boot
[19:43] <bean> update-rc.d tightvncserver defaults
[19:43] <bean> should do it
[19:43] <disturbed> can i do: update-rc.d tightvncserver -geometry 1980x1020 :0 ?
[19:43] <bean> no
[19:44] <bean> literally
[19:44] <bean> update-rc.d tightvncserver defaults
[19:44] <bean> :|
[19:45] <disturbed> ok brb
[19:45] <disturbed> right, now i also see it in chkconfig, so looks good, tnx, => rebooting
[19:49] <disturbed> still not rebooted...
[19:49] <bean> heh
[19:49] <disturbed> btw i saw that link before and already tried rc.local and @reboot crontab thingy
[19:50] <bean> did you try the accepted answer
[19:50] <bean> lol
[19:51] <disturbed> @reboot seemed the easiest one :)
[19:51] <disturbed> right, rebooting :)
[19:51] <bean> @reboot likely won't work like you think it does, but alright :)
[19:53] <disturbed_> no luck: ps -ef|grep vnc => nothing
[19:54] <bean> ok
[19:54] <bean> a vnc server is hard to get to work at boot, since it requires the display and stuff to already be working
[19:55] <bean> not really a server if it has a GUI imo
[19:55] <bean> ...
[19:55] <disturbed_> :)
[19:55] <disturbed_> well, i would have been happy with mint linux
[19:55] <disturbed_> except that it could not boot without a monitor connected to it
[19:55] <disturbed_> not a nas when it needs a monitor constantly
[19:56] <RoyK> perhaps #ltsp
[19:58] <disturbed_> i'll try webmin and see how far i get :)
[19:58] <RoyK> !webmin
[19:58] <disturbed_> *$!# :)
[19:59] <RoyK> disturbed_: better use the commandline - it doesn't take to long to learn the basics
[19:59] <RoyK> and it helps a good while in the long term
[20:00] <disturbed_> where's my xanax
[20:00] <RoyK> (by actually understanding what you're doing instead of just clicking some fancy GUI)
[20:00] <RoyK> benzodiazepines aren't good for you, disturbed_ - beleive me
[20:01] <disturbed_> should be a nas, so samba, daatp, owncloud, plexserver, ...
[20:01] <RoyK> well, buy one
[20:01] <RoyK> get a nas box
[20:01] <RoyK> doesn't cost that much
[20:01] <disturbed_> see, i'm not doing basics :)
[20:02] <RoyK> disturbed_: it's rather easy to learn ;)
[20:02] <disturbed_> i'd like to have a small server that can do samba, bittorrent, itunes server, ...
[20:02] <RoyK> yeah, it's easy
[20:02] <RoyK> easy peasy
[20:02] <RoyK> just learn the basics
[20:02] <disturbed_> but, since it's in the fitness room, i also sometimes want to connect a monitor and play music on that
[20:02] <RoyK> don't be so bloody lazy
[20:03] <disturbed_> without having to use my playstation 3 for the dlna
[20:03] <disturbed_> don't see how i'm gonna play my music on my nas, in text mode :)
[20:03] <RoyK> over the net - sure
[20:04] <RoyK> but then - use a laptop or something if you don't want to learn too much
[20:04] <RoyK> setup a homeserver and samba and you're all set
[20:04] <disturbed_> think you're missing the point
[20:05] <RoyK> probably more hassle with a webbased admin interface than with something on the commandline
[20:05] <disturbed_> i want it to server a nas and media server
[20:06] <RoyK> ps3mediaserver?
[20:06] <RoyK> xbmc?
[20:06] <RoyK> xbmc works well
[20:07] <disturbed_> openmediavault, nas4free, ...
[20:07] <RoyK> well, learn it, please
[20:07] <RoyK> don't just ask
[20:07] <RoyK> or join the channels where those products are supported
[20:08] <RoyK> ubuntu server can give you storage on raid and support for a bunch of applications
[20:08] <RoyK> but this channel isn't for end users for media server setup
[20:09] <disturbed_> nvm
[20:09] <RoyK> heh
[20:09] <RoyK> (idiots)
[20:22] <disturbed> single, doesn't surprise me


[07:45] <rileyp> when I run mythfront it says some fonts are missing in the log if I download some old versions of myththems can I pop them in
[12:09] <rileyp> ThemeInfo, Warning: Unable to open themeinfo.xml for /usr/share/mythtv/themes/BlackCurves-OSD/themeinfo.xml
[12:10] <rileyp> why are a heap of the xml files missing in a clean install of mythbuntu
[12:11] <rileyp> Im using lucid and .24 fixes
[12:46] <ktbos> m looking for help with iPod export.  I've been following the guide at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/IPod_Export_Solution:_Myth2iPod but I'm stuck on nuvexport - I don't have it even though according to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Nuvexport , "Nuvexport is now part of MythTV".  Any idea where to find nuvexport, mythextras, or other suggestions on iPod export?
[12:46] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] IPod Export Solution: Myth2iPod - MythTV Official Wiki
[12:47] <ahughes> hey, why should I install mythbuntu over plain old myth?
[12:49] <rileyp> it uses xfce desktop whichis lighter than full buntu desktop
[12:49] <rileyp> great for atom front ends etc
[12:50] <ahughes> I'm going to give my p4 a new lease on life.....
[12:59] <TandyUK> ok, how do i completely, an permanently remove the screensaver feature from ubuntu
[13:00] <TandyUK> one of my customers mythtv's keeps going into what appears to be a screensaver mode, and the remote control will not bring it out
[13:00] <TandyUK> so until they press a key on the keyboard,the system is completely useless, with just a black screen on the tv
[13:01] <Shadow__X> TandyUK: its in the settings menu
[13:01] <Shadow__X> under xfce-settings
[13:01] <TandyUK> its disabled in the settings menu
[13:01] <Shadow__X> also you could just setup dpkm
[13:01] <Shadow__X> thats probably whats acting up
[13:02] <Shadow__X> the screen shuts off and then the remote wont resume it
[13:02] <TandyUK> wtf is dpkm?
[13:02] <TandyUK> are youmeaning dpms?
[13:04] <TandyUK> even google doesnt know what dpkm is
[13:05] <TandyUK> rightin the config, screensaver is diisable
[13:05] <TandyUK> power management is disabled
[13:05] <TandyUK> gnome-screensaver is not installed
[13:05] <TandyUK> xscreensaver is installed, and is what i find running when there is the blank screen
[13:05] <TandyUK> from what ive been reading, disabling the 'screensaver' just disables the graphical display of the screensaver
[13:06] <TandyUK> it doesnt stop the screen 'powering down' as it were
[13:06] <rileyp> TandyUK,  it could be screen lock you can disable it in /etc/defaults/acpi-support
[13:06] <TandyUK> i want to physically remove all traces of having a screensaver
[13:06] <TandyUK> screw burn in issues lol
[13:08] <rileyp> look in synaptic at screen saver and remove it
[13:08] <rileyp> or just disable it
[13:09] <TandyUK> if i do that it tries to uninstall X as a dependency
[13:09] <rileyp> lol
[13:09] <TandyUK> yup lol
[13:09] <TandyUK> already been there :P
[13:09] <TandyUK> strangely, this only happens on my new frontend
[13:09] <TandyUK> the old backend which ive had running for 2+ years never had the same problem
[13:09] <TandyUK> it has never attempted to go to screensaver in itslife
[13:10] <TandyUK> the new frontend, lasts ~5 minutees bufore the screen goes blank
[13:10] <TandyUK> while watching a movie etc its fine
[13:10] <TandyUK> but if paused, at the menu, etc
[13:10] <TandyUK> you cant wake it back up
[13:11] <TandyUK> it requires eiter a keypress,
[13:12] <TandyUK> or a remote ssh "xscreensaver-command --deactivate"
[13:12] <TandyUK> so its clearly xscreensaver causing the problem
[13:17] <TandyUK> hmm well thees a new one
[13:18] <TandyUK> i just upgrade the backend from 10.04 to 10.01
[13:18] <TandyUK> 10.10*
[13:18] <TandyUK> now in mythbuntu control center, when i try changing the repo fom 0.23.1 to 0.24.x it tells me "cant do that as non root user"
[13:18] <TandyUK> not "please give  roots password"
[13:19] <TandyUK> as i dont have a screen attached to this system, and cant vnc to the login screenn, any suggestions?
[13:20] <TandyUK> Permisson denied by policykit. unable to process changes that require root
[13:20] <TandyUK> is the exact message
[13:27] <rileyp> running mcc via ssh x you must run sudo mcc to change things
[13:28] <TandyUK> thats from the desktop mate
[13:28] <TandyUK> vnc'd into the machine
[13:29] <TandyUK> as for sudo'ing it
[13:29] <TandyUK> sudo: mcc: command not found
[13:29] <TandyUK> if i do a database backup, from a 0.23.1 system
[13:30] <TandyUK> and do clean install of the new 11.04
[13:30] <TandyUK> which will put 0.24.x in, will i be able to restore my backup?
[13:36] <TandyUK> ah
[13:36] <TandyUK> mcc doesnt exist
[13:37] <TandyUK> its "mythbuntu-control-centre"
[13:40] <rileyp> thnaks for that I know
[13:41] <TandyUK> yeah i didnt so thanks for
[13:41] <TandyUK> "you must run sudo mcc"
[13:41] <TandyUK> not very elpful ;)
[13:41] <rileyp> TandyUK,  yes if you do it right
[13:41] <TandyUK> dont just assume people know that "mcc" is short for ....
[13:42] <rileyp> too many leters and you spoke of clients pc and so i thought you might know what your selling
[13:42] <TandyUK> i sell the pc, not the software on it
[13:42] <TandyUK> 99% of the time mythbuntu works fine out of the box
[13:43] <TandyUK> oh well time for a reinstall
[13:43] <TandyUK> probably safer anyway as i have a mobo upgrade to do as well
[13:44] <rileyp> why reinstall ubunto never breaks
[13:45] <TandyUK> well it semms prtty broken so far
[13:45] <TandyUK> its failing to switch betwen the 0.23.1 and 0.24.x repos
[13:45] <rileyp> do a backup of db and save it or what I did wa sjust copy whole mysql dir and  and paste
[13:46] <TandyUK> the update manager warns me it cant upgrade because "not al updates can be installed" "run a partial upgrade"
[13:46] <rileyp> amd then set permissions the same must be done on stoped mysql server though
[13:46] <TandyUK> but im betting the new 11.04 will install 0.24.x by default
[13:46] <TandyUK> so my question for hours ago lol
[13:46] <TandyUK> if i backup a 0.23.1 database
[13:47] <TandyUK> will it restore properly on a 0.24.x system
[13:47] <TandyUK> does it handle that, or will i end up with a screwed database
[13:47] <TandyUK> i already have a complete backup of the system
[13:48] <TandyUK> the db and all 1.1Tb of files that was in the myth folder
[13:48] <rileyp> TandyUK,  you do a backup so if you stuf it up yo have a backup
[13:48] <TandyUK> i think you are missing the point
[13:48] <TandyUK> my backup is from a 0.23.1 mythtv install
[13:48] <TandyUK> 11.04 will install 0.24.x mythtv
[13:48] <rileyp> and so you know it needs to do all 0.23 updates before going to 0.24 so thats why a partial upgrade need be done forst
[13:49] <TandyUK> so i need to do this partiasl upgrade then another backup
[13:49] <rileyp> yes do each update and myth as of 0.23 does db backup at each stafge anyway
[13:49] <rileyp> stage sorry
[14:57] <tgm4883> TandyUK, is you do an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' from the command line, does it say it will remove anything?
[14:58] <TandyUK> yup
[14:58] <tgm4883> pastebin?
[14:58] <TandyUK> too late lol
[14:58] <tgm4883> ok
[14:58] <tgm4883> I usually don't recommend people upgrade the distro. I recommend sticking LTS to LTS
[14:59] <TandyUK> im beginning to regret it lol
[14:59] <TandyUK> this system doesnt have a montior
[15:00] <TandyUK> i dont have a tv to plug in, and half way through the upgrade it killed my vnc sesion
[15:00] <TandyUK> so now i have nfi what is going on
[15:00] <TandyUK> i can spawn a new vnc session on :1 or higher
[15:00] <TandyUK> but i cant get back to the :0 session
[15:27] <Vili_> What might be wrong when I Kaffeine shows TV just fine, but with mythbuntu the image is all scrambled like bad signal
[15:28] <Vili_> MythTV says Signal 52 when changing channels
[17:05] <TandyUK> well upgrading from 10.10 to 11.04 is  REALLY bad idea
[17:05] <TandyUK> myth is down, machine now isnt even dhcp'ing an address
[17:05] <tgm4883> ?
[17:05] <TandyUK> screen is blank
[17:06] <TandyUK> i see it start to boot, and then put the mythbuntu loading screen up, then blank
[17:06] <TandyUK> time a clean install
[17:06] <TandyUK> time for*
[17:47] <TandyUK> that upgrade screwed grub too,
[17:48] <TandyUK> it doesnt auto boot now, grub just sits indefnitely until you press enter
[17:48] <TandyUK> id seriously consider changing the mythbuntu.org/upgading page to say
[17:48] <TandyUK> for 10.10 to 11.04... DONT
[17:48] <TandyUK> oh, and after grub,
[17:48] <TandyUK> "the disk drive for / is not yet ready or not present"
[17:49] <TandyUK> it gets better lmao
[18:04] <foxbuntu> TandyUK, sorry to hear that. But its likely something broke during the upgrade process. The dpkg log will likely point out the broken package or failure during the upgrade. How did you upgrade the machine?
[18:05] <TandyUK> from clicking "upgrade" when package manager asked me if i wanted to upgrade
[18:05] <TandyUK> the machine is now in bits so there no chance of me ever seeing the log
[18:06] <foxbuntu> bits as in, you took it apart, or the O/S doesn't boot?
[18:06] <rhpot1991> vaporized
[18:07] <TandyUK> no as in i took it apart lol
[18:07] <foxbuntu> ah...well that would explain things...an over jucied flux capicitor
[18:07] <TandyUK> in hindsight probably best as i was going to try upgrading the board from a amd 64 x2 dual core, to an intel core i7
[18:07] <TandyUK> so the kernel would probably have shat itself
[18:08] <rhpot1991> TandyUK: might be a good idea to salvage your db backups and recordings from the hard drive
[18:08] <foxbuntu> prob not
[18:08] <rhpot1991> and do a fresh install on the new box
[18:08] <TandyUK> rhpot1991 theyre on a different machine long before i started to upgrade ;)
[18:08] <rhpot1991> well then just import the old stuff into the new box
[18:08] <TandyUK> along with the 1.1Tb of data that was on that machines raid array
[18:08] <rhpot1991> and call it good
[18:09] <foxbuntu> soft or hardware raid?
[18:09] <TandyUK> software unfortunately
[18:09] <foxbuntu> yucky
[18:09]  * foxbuntu hides
[18:09] <TandyUK> if it was hardware i probaly wouldnt have bothered with a backup lol
[18:09] <foxbuntu> :P
[18:09] <TandyUK> software raid = better than no raid imho :P
[18:09] <rhpot1991> raid is over rated
[18:10] <foxbuntu> raid != backup
[18:10] <rhpot1991> real men just lose their recordings when hard drives fail
[18:10] <TandyUK> especialy as this is for a customer who lost 1.2tb of data about 18 months ago
[18:10] <TandyUK> you dont need to tell me that foxbuntu
[18:10] <foxbuntu> TandyUK, all too many people view it that way
[18:10] <TandyUK> i have raid 5/6 arrays in all my machines
[18:11] <TandyUK> and they all get a nightly backup onto other machines with raid
[18:11] <TandyUK> in different buildings
[18:11] <TandyUK> bless rsync :P
[18:12] <TandyUK> this machine i think has raid 6 in it now
[18:12] <TandyUK> set to unmount as soon as a drive fails
[18:12] <TandyUK> thats how my customer lost data last time lol
[18:12] <TandyUK> when their data drive disappeared, they got me over
[18:12] <TandyUK> and explained how "it has been going realy slow for ages" and today its just not there
[18:13] <TandyUK> the "really slow" bit was when the array was running in degraded mode
[18:13] <TandyUK> then the second drive failed lol
[18:51] <tmkt> anyone been able to upgrade to 24.1?
[18:51] <tmkt> never mind
[18:51] <tmkt> i see its on my system now
[19:05] <TandyUK> has anyone ever tried runnig myth in a vm
[19:05] <TandyUK> i knwo the basic os would work, but how would the vm accessing the hardware work
[19:06] <rhpot1991> TandyUK: bad idea
[19:06] <rhpot1991> you can make it work but its gonna be a headache
[19:06] <rhpot1991> network tuners will be your friend
[19:06] <TandyUK> on a dual i7 with 32gb of ram?
[19:06] <rhpot1991> like the HDHR
[19:06] <TandyUK> ahha so theres a better way :P
[19:06] <rhpot1991> I forget if they make the UK version of that still
[19:07] <TandyUK> eu apparantly
[19:09] <TandyUK> damn
[19:09] <Zinn> TandyUK: Please watch your language.
[19:09] <TandyUK> if it has DVB-S2 id buy one
[19:09] <TandyUK> and since when is damn swearing lol
[19:09] <Zinn> TandyUK: Please watch your language.
[19:10] <TandyUK> stupid bot
[19:10] <TandyUK> nice idea though
[20:16] <TandyUK> well trying a clean install of 11.04 the installer crashed about 80% through
[20:17] <TandyUK> timeto file the bg report...
[20:18] <baggar11> TandyUK: I run mythtv-backend virtualized
[21:12] <TandyUK> ok anyone actually used backup/restore
[21:12] <TandyUK> im getting python errors when trying to restore an archive
[21:14] <TandyUK> http://pastebin.com/VcgyZKUQ
[21:14] <Zinn> [pastebin.com] org.freedesktop.DBus.Python.RuntimeError Traceback (most recent call last): - Pastebin.com
[21:14] <TandyUK> the latest mythbuntu is filling me with joy lol
[21:15] <tgm4883> TandyUK, known issue with MCC
[21:15] <tgm4883> workaround is to kill mcc-backend, start mcc-backend in the terminal, then run MCC
[21:16] <tgm4883> mcc-backend will need to be run as root
[21:16] <TandyUK> btw what is the default root password for a mythbuntu bow
[21:17] <TandyUK> it doesnt ask to set one during setup
[21:17] <TandyUK> and doesnt use the first users pass either
[21:17] <tgm4883> TandyUK, yes it does
[21:17] <TandyUK> well it didnt adk, and isnt set to my users password
[21:18] <TandyUK> i can get rootsith sudo su -
[21:18] <tgm4883> it is the first users password
[21:18] <tgm4883> what are you doing that the first users password isnt' working?
[21:19] <TandyUK> michael@myth-bedroom:~$ su -
[21:19] <TandyUK> Password:
[21:19] <TandyUK> su: Authentication failure
[21:19] <TandyUK> i dont think im typing the password wrong 5 times in a row lol
[21:19] <TandyUK> michael@myth-bedroom:~$ sudo su -
[21:19] <TandyUK> [sudo] password for michael:
[21:19] <TandyUK> root@myth-bedroom:~#
[21:19] <TandyUK> as is by magic
[21:19] <tgm4883> well yea you have to do sudo su -
[21:19] <TandyUK> so root and michael do not have the same password
[21:20] <tgm4883> I'm not sure I want to go into a basic introduction into how Ubuntu and sudo work
[21:20] <TandyUK> pretty stupidly from the sound of it
[21:20] <tgm4883> Um no
[21:20] <TandyUK> and unlike *every* other *nix distro by the sound of it
[21:20] <tgm4883> root has no password, as you cannot login as root
[21:20] <tgm4883> for security purposes
[21:22] <TandyUK> well whatever
[21:22] <TandyUK> [21:15:54] <tgm4883> workaround is to kill mcc-backend, start mcc-backend in the terminal, then run MCC
[21:22] <TandyUK> [21:16:22] <tgm4883> mcc-backend will need to be run as root
[21:22] <TandyUK> mcc-backend doesnt exist
[21:22] <TandyUK> do you mean mythbackend?
[21:22] <tgm4883> IIRC, /usr/share/mythbuntu/mcc-backend
[21:24] <tgm4883> TandyUK, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[21:24] <Zinn> [help.ubuntu.com] RootSudo - Community Ubuntu Documentation
[21:28] <TandyUK> yeah nasty hack tbh
[21:29] <TandyUK> all it does is shift the point of weakness to the user account, rather than the root account
[21:29] <TandyUK> if the password is poor, nothingis any different to having a weak root password
[21:29] <TandyUK> but the backup restored that time so ty
[21:29] <tgm4883> yw
[21:42] <Batshua> PROBLEM!
[21:42] <Batshua> I have 100% signal (connected to my cable box)
[21:42] <Batshua> but no signal lock.
[21:42] <Batshua> Yesterday I recorded just fine.
[21:42] <Batshua> well, not no lock.  Partial lock.  I have an L.
[21:43] <Batshua> I'm not sure where what the next troubleshooting step is.
[23:34] <dewman> did you pay your bill? ;)