[00:15] <ubotu> New bug: #157589 in ubuntu "kde control panel chooses wrong boldness with URW Gothic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157589
[00:16] <ubotu> New bug: #157587 in firefox (main) "Cannot access www, but can download," [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157587
[00:16] <ubotu> New bug: #157588 in compiz (main) "cube usually rotates by 2 faces when using ctrlaltleft or ctrlaltright" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157588
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #157591 in ubuntu "External USB drive is unmounting itself after some idle hours" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157591
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #157592 in ubuntu "not all images preview in finder" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157592
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #157593 in ubuntu "Kmail - I have a message that is stuck in the inbox." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157593
[01:16] <ubotu> New bug: #157594 in gparted (main) "parted, gparted, qtparted non-functional after upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157594
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #157595 in openoffice.org (main) "Open Office 2.3 Java" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157595
[01:43] <`23meg> would the desktop folder being shown in open/close dialogs despite /apps/nautilus/preferences/desktop_is_home_dir being on be a Nautilus or GTK+ bug?
[01:44] <gribouille> hi
[01:45] <gribouille> I have a problem with locales
[01:46] <ubotu> New bug: #157599 in ubuntu "printer tests functional no output no driver combi working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157599
[01:46] <`23meg> gribouille, visit #ubuntu for support
[01:46] <gribouille> `23meg, nobody answered my question on #ubuntu
[01:47] <`23meg> gribouille, try asking at a different time
[01:47] <kostkon> gribouille, or you could try the forums, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/
[01:48] <`23meg> gribouille, there's also the support tracker: http://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[01:55] <gribouille> can someone tell me where I can get information about locale configuration ?
[01:56] <ubotu> New bug: #157603 in network-manager (main) "[gutsy] rtl8185L WPA not working but WEP works" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157603
[02:01] <ubotu> New bug: #157605 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox plays m4a very slowly" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157605
[02:02] <gribouille> I have installed the locale fr_FR@euro, and when I do LANG=fr_FR@euro perl -Mlocale -e 'print uc chr 189', I get the wrong character !
[02:04] <kostkon> gribouille, i replying because i want to help you, not to feel dissapointed of any kind and leave empty handed from here. Please, there are so many good places where you can ask for help, as they were pointed to you above. this is not a support channel, so no one will respond to you. thank you and I hope you will solve your problem
[02:04] <gribouille> kostkon, so what is it for ?
[02:06] <kostkon> gribouille, this is a channel for the BugSquad team: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad
[02:16] <ubotu> New bug: #157607 in ubuntu "brightness doesent work/ dell 1501 inspiron" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157607
[02:16] <ubotu> New bug: #157608 in ubuntu "Adjust Time -> Sync with Internet Time Servers never syncs." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157608
[02:20] <ubotu> New bug: #157609 in ubuntu "No Boot Splash for Gutsy Final" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157609
[02:25] <ubotu> New bug: #157610 in ubuntu "display freezes just before Ubuntu login window; shows nothing but vertical bars" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157610
[02:50] <ubotu> New bug: #157613 in ubuntu "No audio from firefox xine realmedia plugin" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157613
[03:20] <ubotu> New bug: #157616 in ubuntu "Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157616
[03:26] <ubotu> New bug: #157617 in azureus (universe) "azureus crashes on ctrl-PgDn" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157617
[03:31] <ubotu> New bug: #157618 in ubuntu "Firestarter GUI quits unexpectedly: ***MEMORY-ERROR***: firestarter[7992]: GSlice: assertion failed: sinfo->n_allocated > 0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157618
[03:50] <ubotu> New bug: #157619 in gdm-themes (universe) "how do i install a new gdm theme once it is downloaded?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157619
[03:55] <ubotu> New bug: #157620 in ubuntu "boot-time usplash does not show regardless of usplash.conf" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157620
[04:40] <ubotu> New bug: #157623 in displayconfig-gtk (main) "displayconfig-gtk and gnome-display-properties show incorrect refresh rate options" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157623
[04:41] <ubotu> New bug: #157622 in ubuntu "gdm hangs after login in gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157622
[06:21] <DarkMageZ> hi, a bug of mine is apparently a duplicate of #145175. does #145175 truly need to be confidential? if not could someone unlock it.
[06:26] <persia> bug #145175
[06:26]  * persia grumbles at the lazy robot
[06:27] <blueyed> persia: she has left
[06:27] <blueyed> https://edge.launchpad.net/bugs/145175
[06:27]  * blueyed cannot see the bug
[06:27] <persia> blueyed: I don't use edge, but thanks anyway :)
[06:27] <blueyed> persia: does it redirect to launchpad.net then - or do you see an error?
[06:28] <persia> blueyed: I remove "edge" from all URLs, so it just works.  If I didn't, I'd see the edge pages.
[06:28] <persia> DarkMageZ: Which bug is yours?  147652?
[06:30] <persia> DarkMageZ: I've made it public: no sensitive information.
[06:30] <DarkMageZ> persia, i didn't file it as it was already reported
[06:31] <persia> DarkMageZ: Ah.  Just checking.  You should be all set now.
[09:05] <nxvl> hi
[09:05] <nxvl> i'm reading https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSystemCrash to debug a crash to report it
[09:06] <nxvl> but i don't find the SysRq key
[09:06] <persia> nxvl: Do you have an AT-style keyboard?  It's usually the same as the printscreen key.
[09:07] <nxvl> PetSys?
[09:07] <jeromeg> nxvl : what do you need that key for ?
[09:07] <nxvl> jeromeg: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSystemCrash
[09:08] <jeromeg> nxvl : on my computer Sys Rq is written on the print screen key
[09:08] <nxvl> on mi PC it does, on mi laptop dont :S
[09:09] <nxvl> and i need it on my laptop
[09:09] <jeromeg> nxvl : do you have the doc of your laptop ?
[09:09] <nxvl> jeromeg: nop
[09:09] <nxvl> kind of ole
[09:09] <persia> nxvl: If you have a USB keyboard, you might be able to attach that to the laptop.
[09:09] <nxvl> got it 3 years from now
[09:09] <nxvl> i haven't
[09:10] <nxvl> it must be PetSys
[09:10] <nxvl> but it doesn't work
[09:10] <persia> nxvl: Another possibility would be that if your laptop has a keyboard port, but you may need to reboot to be able to get the BIOS to use the external keyboard.
[09:11] <nxvl> i will reproduce it via ssh
[09:13] <nxvl> mm
[09:14] <nxvl> there is no way, it crashes everything
[09:14] <nxvl> :S
[09:14] <jeromeg> what kind of crash ?
[09:14] <nxvl> when i run nmap using wifi
[09:14] <nxvl> the machine stop working
[09:15] <nxvl> and the monitor freezes
[09:15] <nxvl> but if i use wired conection it work
[09:15] <jeromeg> mmm
[09:15] <jeromeg> not nice :)
[09:15] <nxvl> noup
[09:16] <nxvl> and it even less nicer if you work on IT security
[09:16] <jeromeg> :)
[09:16] <jeromeg> nxvl : did you report the bug ?
[09:17] <nxvl> jeromeg: nop, i'm debuging it to report it
[09:17] <jeromeg> nxvl : you don't get any crash report ?
[09:17] <nxvl> i want to debug it to have enought information
[09:17] <nxvl> jeromeg: nop
[09:17] <nxvl> it stops working, so i think it can even log the event
[09:19] <nxvl> in the bash history i don't see the command
[09:19] <nxvl> so it even log it there
[09:20] <jeromeg> nxvl : you can try this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[09:23] <persia> jeromeg: You'll do better asking for a test here.  What do you need tested?
[09:24] <nxvl> it crashes and i have got no respond
[09:24] <nxvl> i hope something is logged on the file
[09:26] <jeromeg> persia : bug 157332
[09:26] <nxvl> noup
[09:26] <persia> jeromeg: jpatrick seems on it now :)
[09:26] <jeromeg> persia : yep, just to let you know :)
[09:26] <nxvl> text file empty
[09:27] <persia> nxvl: If you're getting a hard system freeze, and can't get a backtrace, it's probably a kernel or driver issue.  Try the Debugging Kernel Issues page for hints.  Perhaps you'll need to find a way to use sysreq somehow...
[09:28] <nxvl> persia: the only way it shows, is to simulate it with a commando, but i can't use commands
[09:29] <nxvl> i also think the key i'm pressing is the right one, but it can even show the logs
[09:30] <nxvl> the most weird think is that if i use 'nmap host > file' somehow the file has the results
[09:38] <nxvl> i will report it as an ndiswrapper bug
[14:13] <dalinian> hello
[14:14] <persia> dalinian: Welcome
[14:15] <dalinian> Thanks, I don't know if I'm in the right place, but I've lost sound on my Gutsy install.
[14:16] <persia> dalinian: Have you searched for other bugs?
[14:16] <dalinian> I have found other references to the issue.
[14:16] <persia> dalinian: Personally, I suspect you're hitting bug #46996, but I can't be sure.
[14:18] <dalinian> How do you look up that specific bug?  Google gives me 692 hits.
[14:19] <dalinian> ahh found it
[14:20] <persia> dalinian: Usually there's a bot around to give us URLs, but it's always https://launchpad.net/bugs/######
[14:25] <dalinian> Is there any known bug regarding the wireless networking manager reading unsecured networks as secured?
[14:25] <dalinian> I'm a fount of new install issues.
[16:07] <persia> Could someone take a look at bug 152942, and subscribe me if there's no reason I shouldn't see it?
[16:09] <Hobbsee> persia: i'd guess it's a launchpad bug, or a security bug.
[16:10] <cousin_luigi> hello
[16:10] <persia> Hobbsee: Perhaps.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/audacity/+bug/147521 is marked as a duplicate, but Venkat wasn't verbose enough for me to have any idea to fix it.  I was hoping for another reporter who might be clearer.
[16:10] <Ubotwo> Launchpad bug 147521 in audacity "Audacity install does not contain menu" [Undecided,New]
[16:10] <persia> cousin_luigi: Welcome.
[16:10] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[16:10] <cousin_luigi> to whom do I report a bug for an universe package?
[16:10] <persia> Ubotwo: Thank you.  I've been missing the help.
[16:10] <Ubotwo> persia: Error: "Thank" is not a valid command.
[16:10] <Hobbsee> okay, so i can access it that way.
[16:11] <persia> cousin_luigi: You'll want to report it to Launchpad.  We can help you with the process in here, if you like.
[16:11] <Hobbsee> oh, no, i'm going backwards
[16:11] <persia> Hobbsee: Right.  You, too, can see the report without enough information.  Where can I ask?
[16:11] <cousin_luigi> it's a very minor issue, but I've never done it
[16:11] <cousin_luigi> not sure how to proceed
[16:11] <persia> cousin_luigi: What's the problem?
[16:12] <cousin_luigi> a mistype in a locale translation
[16:12] <persia> cousin_luigi: OK.  Which program?
[16:12] <cousin_luigi> kvirc
[16:12] <Hobbsee> persia: on #launchpad.  but i think people are still flying
[16:13] <persia> cousin_luigi: The first step is to take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kvirc to see if you can find a match.
[16:14] <cousin_luigi> persia: it's not there
[16:14] <persia> Hobbsee: Even if they are at sea level, it's not exactly prime time :)  I'll check there next week (if the bug is still quiet), and just put off the triage for this package.
[16:14] <Hobbsee> persia: they'r eon boston time
[16:14] <Hobbsee> atm
[16:14] <persia> cousin_luigi: OK.  I wasn't sure if it was bug #122052
[16:14] <cousin_luigi> ok
[16:15] <cousin_luigi> should I register an account to post it?
[16:15] <persia> cousin_luigi: Yes.  You'll want to register a launchpad account.  It just takes your name and email, so that the system can let you know when progress is made on the bug.
[16:23] <cousin_luigi> persia: should I also report the offset?
[16:26] <cousin_luigi> thanks, see you at the next bug!:P
[22:00] <tusharb> hey does anyone know more about this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695
[22:00] <Ubotwo> Launchpad bug 59695 in acpi-support "default value in power.sh potentially kills laptop disks" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[22:01] <tusharb> i've ben checking my load cycle count and it's been sky rocketing - anyone else experiencing similar problems here?  if so, do you think it's a serious problem, or is it just ok to ignore?
[22:07] <tusharb> anyone have any input on my previous comments?
[22:31] <Djpenguin> Hi guys, I need some help. I got ubuntu for my g4 and booted from a cd. Now I need help so it can connect with my airport. How do I do that?
[22:31] <pedro_> Djpenguin, better to ask in #ubuntu
[22:36] <sashimi> hello everybody
[22:37] <tusharb> hi sashimi
[22:37] <sashimi> I think I am experimenting a bug with vfat support O_o
[22:39] <sashimi> I have a psp, with a 4Gb MemStick in it. The psp is plugged into USB to my Linux box. fdisk says it is W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[22:41] <sashimi> I deleted some files from the MemStick straight from the PSP menu, before plugging it in. So I am now at 3155Mb free space. Linux says there is only 376Mb free space
[22:41] <sashimi> The odd thing
[22:41] <sashimi> I plugged it in the same way on a windows box
[22:42] <sashimi> and windows gives the good amount of free space
[22:42] <sashimi> so I guess there must be something wrong with what the linux kernel reads on the FAT32 partition
[22:48] <sashimi> another odd thing: i can correct it by doing an fsck.vfat -a on the corresponding partition (which detects the bad free cluster summary...)
[22:48] <sashimi> very odd


[12:07] <dickhall_> hrm.. I have a work social in an hour, I should co-opt into a Dapper release party
[12:07] <robotgeek> there is nothign near me, sigh
[12:08] <Riddell> dickhall_: at activestate?
[12:11] <dickhall_> Riddell: technically, no. My company (Sophos) recently sold activestate and they moved into a different building
[12:11] <dickhall_> but our networks are still linked, so that's what my host shows up as
[12:11] <dickhall_> and I can still receive activestate mail and such
[12:14] <dickhall_> I think I liked it more than my @ea.com email, though at EA it was cool to have Wil Wright show up as a potential autocomplete when I typed 'W' in outlook
[12:30] <kwwii_inkscape> apachelogger: ping?
[12:30] <apachelogger> kwwii_inkscape: pong
[12:30] <marseillai> i would like to know if avahi can set my /etc/fstab if a new folder is share with nfs on the network ? or it can only announce that there is a new share folder ?
[12:31] <kwwii_inkscape> apachelogger: we had to change parts of the sript back because we are scaling the smaller sizes with different options than the big ones
[12:31] <apachelogger> oh
[12:32] <kwwii_inkscape> but your changes make it look much nicer than mine :-)
[12:32] <apachelogger> gonna look into it :)
[12:32] <kwwii_inkscape> 32 and down are scaled with a sharpen filter
[12:32] <kwwii_inkscape> oh, and we changed the filter for scaling on all of them to Sinc
[12:34] <kwwii_inkscape> although I think we will use the  Lanczos filter for the bigger ones and the Sinc for the smaller ones in the end
[12:35] <kwwii_inkscape> in addition we might need to add a way to render the really small ones from different svgs :-(
[12:48] <Flosoft> nite @ all
[12:53] <halcyonCorsair> hi, i was wondering if someone could help me build knetworkmanager on amd53
[12:53] <halcyonCorsair> err, amd64
[12:54] <kwwii_inkscape> where did svn go?
[12:54] <kwwii_inkscape> why can't I install svn anymore? ie no package called svn?
[12:56] <apachelogger> kwwii_inkscape: was never called svn I think
[12:56] <apachelogger> apt-get install subversion
[12:56] <kwwii_inkscape> aha.
[12:56] <kwwii_inkscape> kdesvn works, but there is no "svn
[12:56] <kwwii_inkscape> " command
[12:57] <pygi> apachelogger, yup, it was never called svn
[12:58] <kwwii_inkscape> hehe
[12:58] <kwwii_inkscape> that shows you what happens when you rely on a gui to install packages
[12:58] <pygi> kwwii_inkscape, hehe :)
[12:58] <apachelogger> hm
[12:58] <apachelogger> I think adept shows up subversion when searching for svn :P
[12:58] <kwwii_inkscape> so how in the hell did kdesvn do it without installing subversion?
[12:59] <apachelogger> kwwii_inkscape: probably only needs the library
[12:59] <apachelogger> in earlier versions kdesvn was just a gui wrapper for svn - but now it's a full featured gui client for libsvn I think
[12:59] <kwwii_inkscape> ahaa
[12:59] <kwwii_inkscape> i c
[01:00] <kwwii_inkscape> that explains why it worked now and before it always crashed on me
[01:12] <kwwii_inkscape> ok, going to sleep
[01:12] <kwwii_inkscape> night all
[01:28] <bddebian> Hello
[10:18] <Tonio_> http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/xorg/app/compiz/kde/window-decorator/
[10:18] <Tonio_> sounds like we'll not get compiz running on kde before kde4....
[10:59] <Lure> Tonio_: who needs compiz - I would much rather get some X polish than XGl and similar...
[11:01] <Tonio_> Lure: compiz can work with aiglx or anything
[11:01] <Tonio_> no need of xgl for this
[11:01] <Tonio_> xgl only provides opengl support
[11:01] <Tonio_> what to use with it ? compiz ;)
[11:01] <Lure> Tonio_: what I am saying is we need more improvements in X in direction of config/autodetect/multihead support
[11:02] <Lure> then fancy 3d/comiz stuff ;-)
[11:02] <Tonio_> Lure: don't forget gnome supports it, vista will be d3d based, osx supports opengl....
[11:02] <Tonio_> only kde doesn't at the moment give the possibility of 3D effects on the desktop
[11:03] <Lure> Tonio_: I agree, but until my notebook will boot with blank screen it does not help me... :-(
[11:03] <Tonio_> I know
[11:03] <Tonio_> ;)
[11:42] <Hobbsee> hi room
[11:42] <Hobbsee> hi people in the room
[11:45] <Riddell> eh oh
[11:52] <Hobbsee> oh hi Riddell!
[11:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: hey !! did you see the opendocument foundation announcement ?
[11:55] <Riddell> nope
[11:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: they will soon release an msoffice plugin to fully support opendocument in it ;)
[11:56] <Tonio_> it is currently tested in the massachussets
[11:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: that could help for a koffice integration in kubuntu !
[11:58] <Riddell> how?
[11:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20060504015438308
[11:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: since it would be easy to explain to an ms office user how to convert to od format without installing a new office suite....
[12:00] <Tonio_> as long as there is an easy way to help people to use a standard, there will be less issues in implementing koffice don't you think ?
[12:00] <Tonio_> if you talk about native support in kubuntu, don't forget that we don't support wmv, wma, mp3 etc...
[12:00] <Tonio_> so the user that want doc support could install OOo the same way he instals libxine-extracodecs for example...
[12:01] <Tonio_> btw this is my opinion
[12:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: what do you think about this ?
[12:03] <Riddell> the lack of mp3 and wmv is because we can't ship support, not because we happen to think one solution is technically better
[12:03] <Tonio_> indeed
[12:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: so if I understand correctly, we will not see koffice in kubuntu soon... :(
[12:09] <marseillai_> Riddell: isn't it possible to propose during installation to enable multiverse/restricted then if user say yes then propose to install libxine and restricted-formats ?
[12:09] <Lure> Tonio_: how do you get @ubuntu.com mail account as member?
[12:10] <Lure> marseillai_: I think the problem is that you would need to pus some nasty legal disclaimers there...
[12:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: it has less features and less stability than openoffice
[12:12] <Riddell> marseillai_: restricted is in there
[12:12] <Riddell> you could question why libxine-extracodecs isn't in restricted, but that's up to Mark
[12:12] <Lure> Riddell: I would agree - I use both interchangabily and they both have they +/-
[12:12] <Lure> s/they/their/
[12:12] <Hobbsee> Lure: it seems to get automatically set up, and points to your default mail in launchpad
[12:13] <Lure> it is probably more more safe choise to stay with OOo
[12:13] <Lure> Hobbsee: really? so it is just mail forwarder? will try it...
[12:13] <Hobbsee> Lure: you can send from it
[12:14] <Hobbsee> come to think of it, i probably could.
[12:17] <Lure> Hobbsee: yes, it works...
[12:17] <Lure> thanks
[12:17] <Hobbsee> Lure: yay :)
[12:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I must say I don't agree concerning stability.... OOo has always crashed quite often here (and more than koffice concerning my experience)
[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning functionnalities.... I agree, but at least koffice integrates correctly with kde ;)
[12:31] <Riddell> I already have complaints from Mark and others that we don't ship with firefox
[12:31] <hunger> I was wondering why OOo got so "strange" after a upgrade, only to discover 3 days later that I had been using kword all the time;-)
[12:33] <Riddell> yo jpatrick
[12:33] <hunger> Hobbsee: You are free to install it:-)
[12:34] <Hobbsee> :P oh i do
[12:34] <Hobbsee> hey jpatrick
[12:34] <jpatrick> hi Riddell, Hobbsee
[12:34] <hunger> Hobbsee: And it is not. You must be a deluded gtk-junkie;-)
[12:34] <Hobbsee> hunger: hehe
[12:35] <hunger> Hobbsee: I admit that I have FF installed, too... but then I have ubuntu-desktop installed on kubuntu to be able to crosscheck what the gnome crowd is doing.
[12:35] <jpatrick> when can we start packaging again?
[12:36] <Hobbsee> hehe....sure sure..
[12:36] <Riddell> jpatrick: now!  make us a package of oxygen icons
[12:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:37] <hunger> The kubuntu part of dapper is really cool by the way. Great work! Thanks Riddell and thanks to all the other devs here.
[12:37] <jpatrick> if I could get them somewher
[12:37] <Riddell> jpatrick: kde svn trunk/playground/artwork
[12:38] <hunger> Are those done yet?
[12:38] <Riddell> build script is in Ken directory
[12:38] <Riddell> build-dep on inkscape
[12:40] <hunger> How about adding some more bonjour configs for the next version? (like fish and sftp)
[12:40] <Riddell> hunger: we need an option to have zeroconf easy to turn on
[12:41] <hunger> Riddell: It is turned on, it is just missing the necessary config files for that to work:-(
[12:41] <Riddell> we don't have avahi-daemon on the CD
[12:41] <Riddell> hunger: add this to KubuntuFutureIdeas
[12:42] <Riddell> we'll be needing an avahi spec
[12:42] <hunger> Riddell: Yes, the daemon is missing, but the "clientside" is there, working and emensly usefull.
[12:43] <Riddell> well it's only useful if the other machines on the network have avahi turned on :)
[12:43] <hunger> Riddell: Please consider adding the config files of lp #33034.
[12:44] <hunger> Riddell: There are, at least on those networks I hang out frequently. The upside of working with mac junkies:-)
[12:44] <Lathiat> .. avahi doesnt work evenin client without the daemon
[12:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: complains we don't use firefox ?? !
[12:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's a chance ;)
[12:45] <jpatrick> Riddell: I did "svn co svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen/" I don't have a Ken dir tho...
[12:45] <hunger> Lathiat: avahi advertizes services. The client(s) work with those advertisements. Without avahi you can not publish your own stuff, but you can very well use those provided by others.
[12:46] <Lathiat> hunger: no, you can't
[12:46] <Lathiat> without the daemon neither browsing nor publishing operates
[12:46] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: it's there...might be in the parent directory...search a bit :P
[12:46] <Lathiat> not with avahi (it may well use some other library, e.g. howl)
[12:46] <jpatrick> I did
[12:46] <Hobbsee> mmm okay
[12:46] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: that was irony of course ;) kubuntu shiped with firefox would go against the kubuntu purpose....
[12:47] <jpatrick> but it's there, but not here
[12:47] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: hehe true
[12:47] <Tonio_> but I wouldn't see any problem using gecko in konqueror it the port had been finished...
[12:47] <Riddell> jpatrick: it's there http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen/
[12:47] <Tonio_> but nobody finished it
[12:47] <jpatrick> oh I do have it...
[12:48] <Riddell> hunger: Lathiat does know his stuff with avahi :)
[12:48] <Lathiat> i think the no port policy shouldnt apply to avahi, because dns resolvers open a dns port too.. :)
[12:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: would be nice to have a systemsettings module to control avahi ;)
[12:48] <hunger> Lathiat: Well, then I had some misunderstandings on how that stuff works.
[12:49] <Lathiat> nps :)
[12:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: the trouble is it would be all of one tickbox
[12:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: ah, the perfect learning opportunity :)
[12:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: tickbox ?
[12:49] <Riddell> "checkbox"
[12:49] <Lathiat> perhaps you could put avahi in the nexisting network stuff
[12:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes ;) I already bought a book, but I have to start....
[12:49] <hunger> Ahhhh... kde 3.5.3 stops kmix from popping up after each startup!
[12:50] <Lathiat> haha
[12:50] <Tonio_> Lathiat: in knetworkconf ?
[12:50] <Lathiat> Tonio_: i guess?
[12:50] <hunger> and my display suddenly became brighter, too. How did that happen?
[12:50] <Lathiat> (im not familiar with what part that is)
[12:50] <jpatrick> Riddell: ok, "bash generate_oxg_icons.sh" does nothing apart from output a  lot of text
[12:51] <Riddell> uh huh, any paticular text?
[12:51] <jpatrick> ls: actions/*.svg: No such file or directory
[12:52] <Riddell> you need to run it from Oxygen/theme
[12:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: just done that and it works
[12:54] <Tonio_> jpatrick: let's work together on the package maybe ?
[12:54] <jpatrick> Tonio_: It's working
[12:54] <Tonio_> jpatrick: cool :
[12:54] <Tonio_> ;)
[12:55] <jpatrick> just need inkscape
[12:55] <jpatrick> Tonio_: when shall we work on gnash?
[12:55] <Tonio_> jpatrick: when stable version is out maybe ^^
[12:56] <jpatrick> :)
[12:56] <Tonio_> but that's on my plans for edgy
[12:56] <Tonio_> it should be there before edgy is out
[12:56] <Riddell> gnash has 101 gnome dependencies :(
[12:56] <pygi> Riddell, wth? 101? :-/
[12:57] <Riddell> well, almost that many
[12:57] <jpatrick> and i thought Kerry was bad
[12:57] <pygi> Riddell, do you need me for any development stuff for edgy except the KDE version of BZR UI?
[12:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: damn....
[12:59] <Riddell> pygi: whatever you want of course.  a bzr UI would be cool, although I don't know what form that would take
[12:59] <Hobbsee> hunger: that's probably from your session settings
[01:00] <pygi> Riddell, yup, bzr UI will be there and ready for edgy
[01:00] <pygi> what do you mean by "form"?
[01:01] <jpatrick> Riddell: can I use the script geneterated tarball for the pack?
[01:01] <pygi> Riddell, the reason why I am asking you is that I don't want to develop something, and then we don't need it :)
[01:01] <Riddell> yuriy: ping
[01:02] <Riddell> jpatrick: I'd use the script as the build for the package
[01:02] <Riddell> pygi: what features would the bzr UI have?
[01:02] <Riddell> pygi: and have you looked at keybuk's gnome one?
[01:03] <Riddell> yuriy: did you write a spec?
[01:03] <pygi> Riddell, init, branch, add, remove, mv, ignore, diff, merge, commit, uncommit, log, check, push, pull, export, conflicts, info, mkdir, nick, revno, version, whoami
[01:03] <pygi> for start ... we'll have cherrypicking patches, and such things also
[01:03] <Flosoft> hey
[01:03] <pygi> Riddell, if you mean bzrk, we'll have a new UI
[01:06] <pygi> Riddell, basicly this, but KDE:
[01:06] <pygi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrUI
[01:08] <Flosoft> wow .. the average of transfer rate for the last 24 hours: 89,3Mbyte/s
[01:09] <kmon> hi
[01:10] <Riddell> nice
[01:10] <kmon> Riddell: The ooo patch didn't work
[01:10] <Riddell> kmon: hmm, ok, thanks
[01:11] <MidMark> hi to all!
[01:11] <MidMark> I have make this new wiki page, can be interesting: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDapperWhatStillNeedsAConsole
[01:12] <kmon> and as far as the conversation of ooo & firefox, I'll give my 2. The problem here is the "vision" kubuntu has. Is kubuntu a desktop operating system with kde as a base or is kubuntu the best Desktop operating system the kde world offers?
[01:13] <pygi> Riddell, back :)
[01:13] <kmon> if it is the latter, then kubuntu should keep konqui as the webbrowser & ship with koffice
[01:13] <jpatrick> Riddell: this might not work, running generate_oxy_theme.sh makes a tarball, which we'll have to unpack and cp a debian dir to during build process
[01:14] <Hobbsee> kmon: in one way it doesnt matter - seeing as we have all of gnome at our disposal in the same repos too - but i see your point
[01:15] <Riddell> jpatrick: ignore the tar?  it also makes the .pngs ready for use.  or you could just use the tar as the .orig
[01:15] <Riddell> hmm no, the tar doesn't have the .svg files in it
[01:15] <kmon> Hobbsee: yes, it's really a social thing, since the average joe coming to kubuntu doesn't know what's kde/gnome and really just want an OS that works
[01:15] <MidMark> Riddell: I need only an information-> the kubuntu cd contains italian language? I have only the dvd...
[01:15] <jpatrick> I'll see what I can do
[01:16] <Riddell> MidMark: which CD?
[01:16] <Hobbsee> kmon: true
[01:16] <MidMark> Riddell: kubuntu alternate/desktop cd (dapper)
[01:16] <kmon> Hobbsee: but then again, that average joe will probably want flash, mp3 & other things out of the box
[01:16] <Riddell> architecture?
[01:16] <Tonio_> MidMark: on adept's top priorities I think ability to set an http proxy would go before everything...
[01:16] <Hobbsee> MidMark: kdesu kate.  not sudo kate.
[01:17] <kmon> but that's another thing
[01:17] <MidMark> Tonio_: ok, is there a bug for that?
[01:17] <MidMark> Hobbsee: why?
[01:17] <Tonio_> MidMark: I already did a kde bug and told mornfall about this, but he didn't seems interested at the moment :(
[01:18] <MidMark> Hobbsee: ok
[01:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: afaik oxygen isn't supposed to be complete is it ?
[01:18] <MidMark> Tonio_: what a pitty :(
[01:18] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: not yet, no
[01:18] <Hobbsee> but some are there, and really pretty :)
[01:18] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: okay, cause I was seeing a few missing stuff testing it
[01:18] <MidMark> Riddell: all, I want to know where ita is present or not... all type of cds
[01:20] <Riddell> MidMark: see the seeds http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/kubuntu-dapper/
[01:20] <Riddell> ship is the alternate CD, live is the desktop CD
[01:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm looking at the debian/control provided with cvs gnash repo and I don't see gnome dependancies.... except mozilla-dev maybe
[01:22] <Tonio_> that probably just to build the mozilla plugin
[01:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: URL?
[01:22] <kmon> I was thinking the other day about a nice feature kubuntu in amd64 could have. If multiarch is not ready for edgy, kubuntu could provide a script/python app to install a couple of 32bit apps in a separate directory (webbrowser & media player mainly) and have easy access to flash & other things that don't work in amd64
[01:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: export CVS_RSH="ssh" && cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sv.gnu.org:/sources/gnash co gnash
[01:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: you will get a "packaging" folder containing debian
[01:23] <mornfall> Tonio_: patches, patches...
[01:24] <mornfall> Tonio_: proxy setup is not interesting for me since i never use it :p
[01:24] <Tonio_> mornfall: that wasn't a critisize !!!! you did so much for dapper version !
[01:24] <Tonio_> mornfall: just plz keep that upo in the head for some day ;)
[01:25] <Tonio_> mornfall: the problem is that setting apt for prooxy usage is quite complicated
[01:25] <Tonio_> mornfall: don't min, that didn't made me go back to synaptic ;)
[01:25] <mornfall> Tonio_: that's fine and i didn't take offence or anything :)
[01:26] <mornfall> Tonio_: just being realistic
[01:26] <mornfall> Tonio_: in that it's not going to happen by itself and it's very low priority for me
[01:26] <Tonio_> mornfall: sure :)
[01:26] <mornfall> Tonio_: even if you are a nice guy and all, but i'm sooo lazy and usually loaded enough to keep me away from things like this
[01:27] <Tonio_> mornfall: the big problem for me is that I think it should be possible to set a global proxy settings for all linux environnment
[01:27] <Tonio_> but that's nor a standard in lsb....
[01:27] <Riddell> is that part of portland?
[01:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: don't now, but should ;)
[01:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: we could eventually discuss that in paris with kde guys
[01:28] <Tonio_> actually every application is using it's own internal process for proxy
[01:29] <Tonio_> except kde apps that sometimes use konqueror settings on that point
[01:29] <mornfall> noone really uses http proxying because it's just too daft :p
[01:29] <mornfall> do they?
[01:29] <mornfall> i could imagine corporations would tend to do that
[01:29] <Tonio_> mornfall: in companies, everyone uses a proxy
[01:29] <Tonio_> nat is simply incompatible with companies needs
[01:29] <Lure> Tonio_: really? we use NAT...
[01:29] <Hobbsee> mornfall: i'm seeing trouble with the adept not opening again...
[01:29] <Hobbsee> no, wait, here it is.
[01:30] <Tonio_> Lure: nat only gives a very low level of control, no caching etc....
[01:30] <mornfall> companies need to learn to use transparent proxying
[01:30] <Lure> Tonio_: true, but who needs caching this days... ;-)
[01:30] <Tonio_> mornfall: well companies don't want to since they don't want to open all network and web, and I can understand this ;)
[01:30] <Tonio_> do they want people to use emule, P2P, porn websites etc??? no ;)
[01:31] <mornfall> Tonio_: transparent proxy can do everything a non-transparent one can
[01:31] <Tonio_> Lure: 40 000 computers companies need caching ;)
[01:31] <mornfall> Tonio_: you just need to forward the packets the right way
[01:31] <jpatrick> Riddell: oh I see, working on it now
[01:31] <Tonio_> mornfall: are you talking about socks5 proxies ?
[01:31] <mornfall> Tonio_: nono
[01:32] <mornfall> Tonio_: about gateway doing smart things with packets
[01:32] <Tonio_> mornfall: exemples of what is a transparent proxy ?
[01:32] <mornfall> like looking inside them and if they are http passing to a proxy instead of forwarding
[01:32] <Tonio_> mornfall: well, nat + advanced firewalls like chekpoint can do the job, but that's a pain to manage ;)
[01:33] <Tonio_> and uses hudge ressources to analyse tcp/ip packets......
[01:33] <mornfall> it's less pain to manage than going around 40k computers and setting up proxy on each ;-)
[01:34] <Tonio_> mornfall: well in a windows environnement, you don't have to go over the 40 000 computers ;)
[01:34] <Tonio_> mornfall: ever eared about what gpo are ?
[01:34] <mornfall> and if you do managed rollout (like everyone does), you can easily set up the proxy for apt centrally
[01:34] <Tonio_> you can reconfigure all your computers in a centralized way with a very few clicks :)
[01:34] <mornfall> your argument is MOOT
[01:34] <Tonio_> mornfall: I'm just saying that's possible ;)
[01:35] <mornfall> no, you say that adept needs proxy setup gui to be useful inside companies
[01:35] <Tonio_> yup
[01:35] <mornfall> and it turns out noone is using gui click-click on every computer inside a company anyway
[01:35] <Tonio_> mornfall: no, I think adept should frontend apt to set proxy in it :)
[01:35] <mornfall> so it's for the marginal cases of people abusing company network to update their laptops
[01:36] <Tonio_> hum.... that makes sense indeed
[01:36] <mornfall> in which case they should know what they are doing anyway :p
[01:36] <Tonio_> but concerning my usage, when I go in several companies with my laptop, it is quite a pain to set the proxy manually every morning, and remove it by night at home....
[01:36] <Tonio_> I would like to click for this ;)
[01:36] <kmon> anyone: how do I unsinstall build-deps?
[01:37] <mornfall> Tonio_: it's not *that* hard to implement :P
[01:37] <Tonio_> mornfall: yes, but I can't learn C++ to do it myself ^_^
[01:37] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: sure you can :P
[01:37] <Tonio_> if I could have done it, I would already have done it ;)
[01:37] <mornfall> that's weak
[01:38] <mornfall> what Hobbsee says
[01:38] <mornfall> if it's important enough, you will do it
[01:38] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I don't want to learn coding since I already have so much to learn on the sysadmin part....
[01:38] <mornfall> if it's not, it's not :-)
[01:38] <mornfall> if it's not important enough for you to do it, it's not important enough for me to do it either :-)
[01:38] <mornfall> now that's a good argument
[01:38] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ah okay.  i thought i was the only non-coder on the kcc...
[01:38] <Hobbsee> heh @ mornfall
[01:39] <mornfall> i should use it to close annoying wishlist items
[01:39] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: well, if you want to do everything, you will do everything badly ;)
[01:39] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: well...true
[01:39] <mornfall> you could still learn being a really good sysadmin, earn loads of money and pay me to do it for you :]
[01:40] <Tonio_> mornfall: hehe, good point ;)
[01:40] <Hobbsee> hehe @ mornfall
[01:40] <Lure> mornfall: that is even better one...;-)
[01:40] <kmon> Riddell: how do I unisnstall build-deps of a package?
[01:41] <kmon> I would like to Undo yesterday ooo try
[01:41] <mornfall> i sort of hate planet
[01:42] <Hobbsee> mornfall: why so?   what's it done now?
[01:42] <Hobbsee> kmon: apart from removing them one by one, manually?  i dont know
[01:42] <kmon> where's apt log?
[01:42] <mornfall> Hobbsee: it shows my posts twice :p
[01:42] <Hobbsee> kmon: besides, why are you not building in a pbuilder, if you want to avoid a lot of dev stuff on your computer
[01:42] <kmon> I only see aptitude's
[01:42] <mornfall> ohwell
[01:42] <Hobbsee> mornfall: ah, great
[01:43] <kmon> Hobbsee: because I'm really new to all this
[01:43] <kmon> :)
[01:43] <kmon> hehe
[01:43] <Hobbsee> kmon: see your private link from ubotu
[01:43] <kmon> thanks
[01:44] <kmon> and the apt log?
[01:44] <kmon> can't find it in /var/log
[01:45] <jpatrick>  /var/log/dpg
[01:45] <jpatrick> dpkg
[01:46] <kmon> thanks jpatrick
[01:52] <jpatrick> imbrandon_: maybe you should get an ubuntu cloak
[01:55] <imbrandon_> jpatrick: yes i'm just waiting on seveas or lilo to do it
[01:56] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: poke seveas to do it, when you see him around
[01:56] <imbrandon_> seveas said a few weeks ago that he was going to take care of it but nothing yet, he was probbly busy with dapper release
[01:56] <imbrandon_> yea i will again , was just giving him some breathing room ;)
[01:56] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:56] <imbrandon_> btw heya Hobbsee jpatrick
[01:57] <jpatrick> hey
[02:05] <imbrandon_> heh , bootleg what ?
[02:05] <jpatrick> [[Bootleg] ]
[02:05] <imbrandon_> oh
[02:05] <imbrandon_> ;)
[02:06] <MidMark> Tonio_: system services is part of kde-guidance?
[02:06] <imbrandon_> yea i threw apt-mirror up on REVU yesterday if anyone wants to give it a look ;) * not like theres not plenty of time for edgy hehe *
[02:07] <Tonio_> MidMark: yup, developped by _Sime
[02:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like you're right.... libgtk2.0-dev is now required as a build dep...
[02:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: debian folder is outdated...
[02:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: is cairo needed?
[02:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: I didn't finished the build-dep new list, but I will tell you
[02:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: ./macros/cairo.m4 looks like yes but I don't know if that's an option...
[02:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: I thought gnash was opengl based...
[02:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like it can be compiled with cairo, but that's an option.... I have to perform the full packaging to be sure
[02:21] <\sh> moins
[02:21] <Hobbsee> hey \sh :)
[02:23] <\sh> I'm tired :(
[02:23] <Tonio_> hey \sh ;)
[02:23] <\sh> Riddell: I updated to 3.5.3 and suddenly the kdm login input fields are missing a frame...
[02:24] <Tonio_> \sh: confirmed
[02:25] <Riddell> \sh: I saw that too
[02:26] <Riddell> I wonder if you have to explicity turn them on now
[02:28] <\sh> Riddell: another thing in kubiquity ;) I added 4 partitions and when you are at the stage where you define the mountpoints, it's going out of the frame
[02:29] <\sh> I wonder if we can change the UI to kdevdesigner widgets and find a better way for this UI
[02:29] <jpatrick> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/755371
[02:29] <jpatrick> that's just annoying
[02:31] <Riddell> \sh: got a screenshot?
[02:32] <\sh> Riddell: I provide one on tuesday when I install the next t43
[02:32] <Riddell> jpatrick: put generate_oxy_theme.sh in theme/
[02:33] <Riddell> cd theme/ && ./generate_oxy_theme.sh
[02:33] <jpatrick> Riddell: it just won't run it
[02:33] <MidMark> \sh: also for me, but the gui add the fifth elemnt at the point you set the mount point for the forth
[02:33] <MidMark> \sh: of course it is not so user friendly
[02:34] <Riddell> jpatrick: using cd in a makefile doesn't work, you need to have it on the same line as the command
[02:34] <Riddell> cd theme/ && ./generate_oxy_theme.sh
[02:34] <\sh> MidMark: well, it's a problem with the frame widget around this...
[02:34] <MidMark> \sh: out of frame you mean out of the window? Ah no it is another problem peraphs
[02:34] <\sh> no...
[02:34] <\sh> out of a frame...
[02:34] <MidMark> \sh: that means?
[02:36] <\sh__> grmpf
[02:36] <\sh> MidMark: there is a frame widget around the list of partitions and mountpoints
[02:36] <\sh> MidMark: this frame is not resized properly
[02:37] <MidMark> \sh: I had no problems with 5 partitions, probably the resolution can be the trick? Mine was 1024x768
[02:37] <\sh> MidMark: 1400xsomething
[02:38] <MidMark> something less or more than 768? I think more...
[02:38] <\sh> MidMark: ati graphicscard in an ibm t43
[02:38] <\sh> MidMark: window was maximized
[02:38] <MidMark> that is strange, I have also a screenshot...
[02:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: confirmed, it is possible (according to the readme) to build gnash without gtk/cairo if we use opengl
[02:44] <MidMark> \sh: http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot224ml.png
[02:45] <\sh> MidMark: and the frame wasn't resized during my install
[02:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: interesting
[02:45] <\sh> but it could also be a glitch with native xorg ati drivers
[02:46] <MidMark> \sh: understood now, I used nv native xorg
[02:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: well, the readme claims this, but I have a few issues disabling the gtk features ;) maybe the readme is outdated too :(
[02:46] <Tonio_> \sh: agree yes..
[02:47] <\sh> IMHO a better ui approach would be to have a klistview with listviewitems
[02:47] <\sh> and one cell shows the partition, the other cell shows a dropdown with the mountpoints, needs to be editable, and the next cell shows a checkbox for "format"
[02:48] <\sh> the list is scrollable, and we don't have problems with resizing frames anymore
[02:49] <MidMark> \sh: yep, also adding rows can be more easy, just adding an "add" and "remove" buttons for ex
[02:51] <MidMark> guys I have left 3 problems: 1) why my network at boot doesn't ask for an ip from the router's dhcp? I need to disable and enable in order to have one...
[02:51] <\sh> MidMark: networkmanager installed?
[02:52] <MidMark> \sh: if not by default then not... I'll see
[02:53] <\sh> MidMark: if not, it should ask by default...or the nic is not initialized when dhcp is starting.....
[02:53] <MidMark> \sh: not installed, I have to install it in order to have a simply dhcp?
[02:54] <\sh> MidMark: no...check /etc/network/interfaces..
[02:54] <\sh> MidMark: auth eth0 and iface eth0 inet dhcp should be there somehow
[02:54] <\sh> auto eth0 sorry not auth
[02:55] <\sh> MidMark: and it's working normally, checked it yesterday during my installs
[03:02] <marco_> \sh: I'm Midmark, nope with settings you said ip is not released for me
[03:03] <Hobbsee> marco_: why dont you ghost midmark?
[03:03] <marco_> Hobbsee: waiting for timeout
[03:03] <Hobbsee> marco_: if it's registered, you can ghost it
[03:03] <Hobbsee> freenode doesnt often time out nicks :(
[03:03] <marco_> it's not registered
[03:04] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:04] <\sh> marco_: hmm...can you check the syslog etc. to see if he tries to do a dhcprequest?
[03:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: you'll love this ;) there is several gui configurable, gtk, sdl or kde ;)
[03:05] <Tonio_> hehe
[03:05] <Tonio_> but the documentation is almost incomplete......
[03:05] <marco_> \sh: 03/06/2006 15:00:52	localhost	dhclient	DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67
[03:06] <marco_> \sh: yes it does, but no ip, I have to disable and enable via gui, then I have an ip
[03:07] <\sh> marco_: hmmm..try it from the commandline with sudo dhclient3 eth0
[03:07] <\sh> but it should work, or your dhcp is not fast enough to answer the request :)
[03:07] <marco_> now I have an ip bacause i have disable/enabled eth0... I have to reboot?
[03:08] <marco_> \sh: works with breezy before... timeout is changed?
[03:11] <\sh> marco_: i thought so
[03:11] <marco_> \sh: there is in order: dhcprelease on eth0, dhcpack from <IP_ADDRESS>, dhcpdiscover on eth0 to <IP_ADDRESS>, a dhcpoffer from <IP_ADDRESS> and a dhcprequest on eth0 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 that is strange
[03:13] <marco_> \sh: see this http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/755457 there is a "network unreachable"
[03:14] <\sh> marco_: strange network ;)
[03:15] <marco_> anyway here dhcp doesn't work, only static ips
[03:15] <marco_> of course I cannot enabled/disabled all the times I boot
[03:16] <\sh> marco_: i think it's a timeout problem or something which has to do with initialization of the card...
[03:16] <MidMark> \sh: should I bug report?
[03:16] <\sh> MidMark: pls file a bug with this pastebin output and what router you have, and the NIC hardware etc.
[03:16] <MidMark> \sh: ok :)
[03:18] <MidMark> 2) during installation hw-detect I think fails to recognize the native resolution of my lcd, I have changed the monitor from generic monitor and putted 1280x1024, all is ok except this change is only for my user, when I back to the login screen is 1024x768 that is frustrating
[03:22] <imbrandon_> did you change the default in xorg.conf or just in the kde control pannel
[03:22] <imbrandon_> kdm uses whats in xorg
[03:22] <imbrandon_> correct ?
[03:24] <MidMark> imbrandon_: I have changed in control panel with admin password, yes changed also xorg.conf but the login is still in 1024x768 I think
[03:28] <MidMark> yes, kdm take which resolution? xorg.conf?
[03:28] <\sh> laters
[03:42] <kmon> jpatrick: how are you doing with the oxygen package? :)
[03:43] <jpatrick> kmon: it takes ages to build
[03:43] <kmon> are those icons in svg or pixmaps? (or both)
[03:44] <jpatrick> and keeps saying: inkscape:7366): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_display_list_devices: assertion `GDK_IS_DISPLAY (display)' failed
[03:44] <jpatrick> SVG
[03:44] <kmon> how does kde3 handle svg icons? AFAIk wallpapers aren't well supported
[03:44] <kmon> or at least that's my experience
[03:44] <apokryphos> wallpaper is very well supported
[03:45] <apokryphos> but svg for iconsets isn't very well supported yet
[03:45] <Riddell> KDE uses libart for both SVG wallpapers and icon sets
[03:45] <Riddell> it's not great
[03:45] <kmon> I've tried to change a kdm theme with svg and it didn't look correctly
[03:45] <apokryphos> wasn't it you that added svg support for wallpapers to kde? ;-)
[03:46] <Riddell> yes
[03:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: fyi, gnash give the possibility to build a kpart (klash), sounds very very cool ;)
[03:46] <apokryphos> good stuff 8)
[03:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'll believe it when I see it :)
[03:47] <jpatrick> Tonio_: that is old
[03:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm reading the complete doc actually ;) but opengl + dsl + klash would make it independant from gtk or even mozilla plugin ;)
[03:47] <Tonio_> jpatrick: yes but it wasn't working before, when the doc actually says it works ;)
[03:47] <jpatrick> cool
[03:48] <bddebian> Hello
[03:49] <jpatrick> hi bddebian
[03:49] <kmon> Hobbsee: I've added some package recommendations to your "anything else?" in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings
[03:49] <bddebian> Hello jpatrick
[03:49] <Hobbsee> kmon: cool :)  i just saw the email notification for it
[03:50] <kmon> basically I think it would be cool to have updated packages or most used apps
[03:50] <bddebian> Hi Hobbsee
[03:50] <kmon> multimedia
[03:50] <Hobbsee> heya bddebian
[03:50] <kmon> office
[03:50] <kmon> and kde
[03:51] <kmon> as long as they work in amd64 ;) (which is my arch and it's giving problems lately)
[03:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:52] <kubuntutaotao> my desktop cd is not installed,why
[03:52] <Riddell> kubuntutaotao: ?
[03:55] <jpatrick> this thing takes ages to build
[03:55] <freeflying|away> Riddell: kubuntutaotao can not use livecd
[03:56] <freeflying|away> Riddell: seems something not good with ati's driver
[03:56] <kubuntutaotao> Ridde11:the drivers of ati is not fit my ATI video card,in installing,black screen
[03:56] <jpatrick> i see freeflying|away's psyhic
[03:57] <kubuntutaotao> Ridde11:i did not see anything,then i could not install system
[03:58] <kubuntutaotao> Riddell, "kubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso" is livecd?
[03:58] <apokryphos> kubuntutaotao: desktop CD, which is a Live CD with an installer
[04:00] <Riddell> try the alternate CD then and fiddle with your xorg.conf later
[04:01] <kubuntutaotao> apokryphos, faint...
[04:01] <freeflying|away> kubuntutaotao: are you ok?
[04:01] <apokryphos> kubuntutaotao: #kubuntu is more suited for support, too :)
[04:01] <kubuntutaotao> Riddell, ok.i try it out
[04:03] <kubuntutaotao> freeflying|away, ok.i try it agian.but alternate,maybe installed ever.
[04:03] <kubuntutaotao> apokryphos, :) thx.i try "alternate" agian
[04:21] <kmon> Riddell: I've started filing bugs about your unofficial packages in here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuUnofficialPackages I don't know if you're aware
[04:22] <kmon> Hobbsee: wrong channel ;)
[04:23] <Hobbsee> yes, but it's more okay to be crazy and offtopic in here than it is in u-devel
[04:23] <kmon> Hobbsee: isn't that a conversation in u-devel?
[04:23] <kmon> ohh
[04:23] <kmon> ok
[04:23] <Hobbsee> it was, yeah :P
[04:23] <kmon> you were just pointing it out for k-devel
[04:23] <kmon> ok
[04:23] <kmon> hehe
[04:24] <Hobbsee> yes.  mind you, that does exclude some painful users.
[04:24] <kmon> ?
[04:24] <Hobbsee> who if they come to the next meeting and disrupt yet again....well...
[04:24] <jpatrick> these icons are still building after one hour
[04:24] <imbrandon_> jez jpatrick
[04:25] <Hobbsee> ouch jpatrick!
[04:25] <kmon> english is not my native language...
[04:25] <Hobbsee> kmon: there are various annoying users - one in particular...who a lot of people would like to mute.  he might get thrown off a cliff :P
[04:25] <imbrandon_> kmon: dont feel bad , it is mine and i have a hard time with it at times ;)
[04:25] <jpatrick> kmon: y castellano no es la mia :P
[04:26] <kmon> Hobbsee: I'm sorry to hear that
[04:26] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: lol
[04:26] <Riddell> kmon: I am now
[04:27] <kmon> imbrandon_: I'm supposed to speak english fluently... or at least 4 years ago... my university studies have left it as a low priority
[04:27] <imbrandon_> ;)
[04:27] <kmon> jpatrick: :P
[04:27] <kmon> Riddell: great
[04:28] <jpatrick> Riddell: do you know how I could remove these errors? They're slowing down the build process http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/755571
[04:29] <Hobbsee> kmon: that amarok bug is already listed on launchpad
[04:29] <Riddell> jpatrick: no idea
[04:30] <jpatrick> running ./gener*.sh takes a minute but in pbuilder an hour
[04:30] <Riddell> probably the lack of X confuses inkscape
[04:31] <Riddell> explicity unsettings DISPLAY might help
[04:31] <jpatrick> oh great
[04:31] <jpatrick> it finished building
[04:31] <jpatrick> then...
[04:31] <jpatrick> cd theme/oxygen && cp -r * debian/kde-icons-oxygen/usr/share/icons/oxygen
[04:31] <jpatrick> cp: target `debian/kde-icons-oxygen/usr/share/icons/oxygen' is not a directory
[04:31] <kmon> Hobbsee: ok, thanks
[04:31] <kmon> I'm polishing the page a bit
[04:32] <Riddell> you'll be wanting to mkdir -p that directory first
[04:32] <Riddell> you probably also want to touch a build-stamp so that you don't have to make it all again if you run debuild -nc
[04:32] <jpatrick> I put "kde-icons-oxygen/usr/share/icons/oxygen" into debian/dirs
[04:33] <jpatrick> maybe without kde-icons-oxygen...
[04:34] <Riddell> sounds like a good idea
[04:34] <jpatrick> how do I unset DISPLAY?
[04:34] <apachelogger> unset DISPLAY ;-)
[04:35] <jpatrick> woah
[04:36] <imbrandon_> ssh <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:36] <imbrandon_> grr whoops
[04:40] <jpatrick> apachelogger: hmm, command not found
[04:41] <apachelogger> jpatrick: btw, why would you unset the display?
[04:41] <jpatrick> stop inkscape from being confused
[04:42] <apachelogger> Oo
[04:42] <apachelogger> jpatrick: unsetting the display will probably confuse it anymore
[04:42] <apachelogger> just set it wherever inkscape is running on
[04:42] <jpatrick> as in http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/755571
[04:43] <apachelogger> env | grep DISPLAY
[04:43] <jpatrick> DISPLAY=:0.0
[04:43] <apachelogger> omg
[04:44] <apachelogger> why is inkspace confused then?!
[04:44] <jpatrick> in pbuilder :P
[04:44] <apachelogger> ah!
[04:44] <apachelogger> well
[04:44] <apachelogger> unsetting will probably not help
[04:44] <apachelogger> ...as in same errors will happen
[04:44] <jpatrick> any suggestions?
[04:44] <apachelogger> jpatrick: start crying ;-)
[04:45] <apachelogger> jpatrick: does it influence the exporting?
[04:45] <jpatrick> apachelogger: there is no exporting
[04:45] <apachelogger> uhm, not god
[04:46] <apachelogger> good probably ;-)
[04:46] <jpatrick> apachelogger: anyhoo we're all made of stars :P
[04:46] <apachelogger> so true that is :P
[04:49] <apachelogger> jpatrick: export without display set works for me
[04:50] <apachelogger> but the no gui option for inkscape doesn't ;-)
[04:50] <jpatrick> I don't know what pbuilder sets it as
[04:51] <apachelogger> wtf
[04:52] <apachelogger> bah, script broken
[04:53] <apachelogger> jpatrick: inkscape --without-gui --export-png="../oxygen/128x128/"$( echo $icon | cut -d . -f -1 ).png --export-dpi=72 --export-background-opacity=0 --export-width=128 --export-height=128 $icon > /dev/null
[04:53] <apachelogger> note the --without-gui
[04:53] <apachelogger> maybe it works for you
[04:54] <jeroenvrp> is it a known issue in kubuntu's kde 3.5.3 that /media/hdc are not automatically mounted (by HAL I presume) ?
[04:54] <jpatrick> apachelogger: hey, grrovy
[04:54] <abattoir> Riddell: I have modified the wiki( i think you have had a look at it), i posted the link at #ubuntu-devel, but Kamion doesnt seem to be around.
[04:54] <imbrandon> jeroenvrp, my /media/hdc mounts auto ( its my cdrom ) also my dev burner mounts /media/hdd
[04:55] <imbrandon> ^^ kde 3.5.3
[04:55] <abattoir> i have a question before starting the porting process. ;)
[04:55] <jeroenvrp> imbrandon: that is strange, I have myself and another user havinf the same exact problmes
[04:55] <jeroenvrp> imbrandon: what is your dvd /etc/fstab line?
[04:56] <jeroenvrp> 3 users allready
[04:56] <imbrandon> /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[04:56] <imbrandon> /dev/hdd        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[04:56] <imbrandon> both automount when i put a cd/dvd in
[04:56] <imbrandon> ones is a cd/r and ones is a dvd+r
[04:56] <jeroenvrp> odd
[04:57] <jeroenvrp> I have the same line
[04:57] <jeroenvrp> the first one
[04:58] <imbrandon> tried remmoveing the noauto ?
[05:00] <\sh> re
[05:00] <jeroenvrp> imbrandon: no, but you have it and was always there
[05:00] <jeroenvrp> but I will try
[05:01] <jeroenvrp> imbrandon: that works
[05:01] <jeroenvrp> well that is strange
[05:01] <jeroenvrp> why doesnt work with some and the way around
[05:02] <imbrandon> jeroenvrp, no clue ...
[05:02] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: are you there
[05:02] <Riddell> anyone have news for UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter?
[05:02] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: hi
[05:02] <jeroenvrp> we have an automount bug in 3.5.3
[05:03] <jeroenvrp> some people have it, some don
[05:03] <jeroenvrp> t
[05:03] <imbrandon> thats more of ubuntu not kde 3.5.3 specific
[05:03] <jeroenvrp> it has to do with , automount
[05:03] <jeroenvrp> I mean ,noauto in /etc/fstab
[05:03] <imbrandon> Riddell, not i ( news that is )
[05:03] <jeroenvrp> imbrandon: has this, me to
[05:03] <jeroenvrp> his works, ny won't
[05:04] <jeroenvrp> I remove it and know mine works
[05:04] <jeroenvrp> imbrandon: can you try to also remove it
[05:04] <imbrandon> jeroenvrp, i did thats why i sugested it to you
[05:04] <jeroenvrp> imbrandon: ooooh
[05:05] <jeroenvrp> so somehow before 3.5.3 nboauto was ignored
[05:05] <kmon> Riddell: edgy is about to start. How about a call for specs?
[05:05] <imbrandon> but as i said thats more base ubuntu not kde 3.5.3 specific , as kde dosent touch the /etc/fstab as far as i know ( other than to reaad it )
[05:05] <imbrandon> Riddell, yea call for specs ;)
[05:05] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:06] <jeroenvrp> imbrandon: in 3.5.2 it worked
[05:06] <kmon> and maybe leak the kde devs that are invited to attend the paris summit
[05:06] <jeroenvrp> oh wait
[05:06] <jeroenvrp> I recreated my homedir
[05:06] <Riddell> kmon: good idea
[05:07] <apachelogger> jpatrick: works now?
[05:07] <abattoir> Riddell: busy? ;)
[05:08] <abattoir> i have a question about the initial porting proces...
[05:08] <kmon> Riddell: write something about google SoC proyects relateed to kubuntu if it hasn't been included in other newsletters
[05:08] <jpatrick> apachelogger: trying to remember how to patch...
[05:09] <abattoir> Riddell: should i use qwidgetfactory to load widgets from the .ui files dynamically(like being done w/ glade) or should i use pyuic?
[05:10] <abattoir> *QWidgetFactory :)
[05:10] <Riddell> abattoir: in python you can also include kdesigner
[05:11] <Riddell> "import kdedesigner"
[05:11] <Riddell> "from myuifile import MyUIClass"
[05:11] <Riddell> but it only works if the file is in the same directory
[05:12] <abattoir> Riddell: oh... ok, i'll have a look at it :)
[05:12] <abattoir> I can start work right?
[05:12] <Riddell> please do!
[05:12] <abattoir> or should i wait till the spec is approved?
[05:13] <Riddell> nah, just mind and poke kamion on monday
[05:13] <Riddell> how are you planning to start?
[05:13] <Riddell> and where will your code be?
[05:13] <abattoir> Riddell: i've looked at the oem-config code
[05:13] <abattoir> i'll create a paralell directory and work on it
[05:14] <abattoir> modify glade widgets to Qt ones.
[05:14] <Riddell> does colin have an archive for oem-config?
[05:14] <abattoir> there is a package called oem-config
[05:14] <abattoir> i think main
[05:14] <Riddell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/oem-config/mainline/
[05:14] <abattoir> one sec
[05:15] <Riddell> so you should install bzr
[05:15] <Riddell> and  bzr branch http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/oem-config/mainline/
[05:15] <abattoir> Riddell: ok...
[05:16] <\sh> Riddell: import kdedesigner is not a good approach..it slows down the startup, just kdepyuic the widgets in a makefile
[05:16] <Riddell> then bzr add, bzr commit are your friends
[05:16] <Riddell> bzr log  to see the revision history
[05:16] <Riddell> bzr merge  to pick up new changes from colin
[05:16] <jpatrick> Riddell: what were the commands to patch? for something...
[05:17] <Riddell> and rsync it to a web server somewhere
[05:17] <Riddell> jpatrick: patch -p0 < foo.diff
[05:17] <Riddell> \sh: tell it to abattoir :)
[05:17] <abattoir> Riddell: ok thanks :) and about what \sh said?
[05:17] <abattoir> aah ok :)
[05:18] <Riddell> you could also look up how to do a bzr push instead of rsync
[05:18] <\sh> abattoir: if you create a pykde app don't use pyuic, but the pykde tool :)
[05:18] <abattoir> \sh: then it is better to use pyuic?
[05:18] <Riddell> export BZREMAIL="Jonathan Riddell<EMAIL_ADDRESS>before any commit
[05:18] <Riddell> with your name and e-mail of course
[05:18] <\sh> abattoir: yes
[05:18] <Riddell> \sh: use kdepyuic not pyuic
[05:19] <Riddell> abattoir: ^^
[05:19] <\sh> abattoir: but use kdepyuic for pyqt+pykde widgets
[05:19] <imbrandon> \sh, can you use qt4 designer *.ui files with pykde ? ( curious for myself )
[05:19] <abattoir> \sh and Riddell: ok, thanks
[05:19] <\sh> imbrandon: I think with pyqt4
[05:19] <imbrandon> k
[05:19] <Riddell> oh that's a point, you might want to do this in qt 4
[05:19] <Riddell> if you're feeling adventurous
[05:19] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:19] <jpatrick> Riddell: for debian/rules ?
[05:19] <Riddell> but we don't have python packages for pyqt 4 yet
[05:20] <abattoir> Riddell: i have no problem, anyways i'll be learning a lot :)
[05:20] <\sh> oh fun...I should start and have a look at pyqt4 packages ;)
[05:20] <imbrandon> Riddell, i noticed ;)
[05:20] <Riddell> jpatrick: cdbs or debhelper?
[05:20] <kmon> bye everyone
[05:20] <jpatrick> debhelper
[05:20] <imbrandon> l8tr kmon
[05:20] <jpatrick> bye kmon
[05:21] <\sh> Riddell: when will hurd^Wkde4 be released? ;)
[05:21] <abattoir> Riddell: so a kde vesion of oem-config would be called separately(like Ubiquity)?
[05:21] <Riddell> jpatrick: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/755677
[05:21] <abattoir> Riddell: I mean something like 'oem-config kde-ui' ?
[05:21] <imbrandon> koem-config possibly ;)
[05:22] <Riddell> \sh: preview release in october
[05:22] <\sh> ubiquity for kubuntu is named kubiquity ;)
[05:22] <Riddell> abattoir: yeah, something like that
[05:22] <Riddell> abattoir: look at how ubiquity does it
[05:22] <\sh> Riddell: so for edgy it's still qt3 and kde3
[05:22] <jpatrick> Riddell: that's what I needed! thanks.
[05:22] <abattoir> Riddell: i'll do that too...
[05:22] <Riddell> \sh: ubiquity for kubuntu is NOT NOT NOT kubiquity :)
[05:22] <\sh> Riddell: hehehe
[05:22] <imbrandon> hehehe
[05:22] <Riddell> \sh: qt 4 will be in, kde 4 probably not
[05:23] <\sh> Riddell: hmm...so I need to test kde3 compiled with qt4 ...
[05:23] <Riddell> silly Ubugtu wants too look up kde bug 4 each time I say kde 4
[05:23] <imbrandon> lol
[05:23] <Riddell> \sh: err, that won't work
[05:23] <Riddell> qt 3 will still be in
[05:24] <\sh> Riddell: that's what i meant, if we want a kde application for oem installer, we need to play still with pyqt3/pykde3
[05:24] <imbrandon> Riddell, arent qt4 libs already in dapper ? ( wellif you install them from the repos ? )
[05:24] <Riddell> imbrandon: not main
[05:24] <imbrandon> ahh
[05:24] <\sh> because pyqt4 is still alpha/beta and pykde4 is a long road
[05:25] <Riddell> \sh: well he could do it in qt 4 and pyqt 4, but he's have to wait for pyqt 4 to be packaged, he wouldn't have KDE integration and there would be no example code to copy
[05:25] <imbrandon> \sh, both the qt3 and qt4 libs will be in edgy, but the wm will be kde3
[05:25] <Riddell> \sh: if it's still beta you're quite right, he should stick to pykde 3
[05:26] <\sh> Riddell: torsten is working on pyqt4 packaging afaik, but I still have to read pykde ml
[05:26] <imbrandon> py apps shouldent be hard to port to qt4 later anyhow since theres a qt3 compatibility widgets
[05:26] <Riddell> freeflying-g4: ping
[05:26] <Riddell> freeflying-g4: "who's responsible for the www.ubuntu.org.cn site? there's a broken link there pointing to shipit"
[05:27] <\sh> imbrandon: the problem is not the python app, the problem is the pyqt4 lib ;)
[05:27] <imbrandon> true ;)
[05:27] <_Sime> IIRC, PyQt4 doesn't have the compat stuff.
[05:27] <imbrandon> ouch
[05:28] <_Sime> well, Qt4 has a C++ tool for converting qt3 code to qt4 code+compat widgets.
[05:28] <_Sime> python doesn't have that.
[05:28] <_Sime> the Qt3 compat widgets have different names.
[05:28] <imbrandon> \sh, so whats the diff between pyuic ( what i use right now with qt3 designer files ) and pykde ?
[05:29] <imbrandon> _Sime, yea i knew there was diff names just knew they was also there
[05:29] <Riddell> imbrandon: kdepyuic works with KDE widgets
[05:29] <imbrandon> like qttest is qt3test etc
[05:29] <\sh> imbrandon: pyuic just imports import qt; and kdepyuic is added import kdecore to the resulting python files generated from the .ui files
[05:29] <\sh> oh wow
[05:29] <_Sime> imbrandon: I think it also does the i18n() in a KDE way and not in a Qt way (with tr() )
[05:29] <\sh> let me rephrase
[05:30] <\sh> imbrandon: pyuic imports qt, and kdepyuic is adding kdecore and kdeui (i think) to the generated python code
[05:30] <imbrandon> _Sime,  ahh
[05:30] <\sh> _Sime: that you can change with pyuic
[05:31] <\sh> -tr func        Use func() rather than QApplication.translate() for i18n
[05:31] <yuriy> Riddell: I started: wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEGuidanceWineSpec
[05:31] <imbrandon> \sh, ahh ok , i see now, was just wondering as i'm just now learning py/qt stuff ( i've been stuck in mono c# for ages )
[05:31] <Riddell> yuriy: rocking!
[05:31] <_Sime> \sh: I believe you. :)
[05:32] <\sh> _Sime: but I don't believe me sometimes ;)
[05:32] <imbrandon> and mono gui apps are hard to make kdeish as the kde bindings are young and mostly windows.forms uses gtk# or wine
[05:33] <imbrandon> so onto py/qt it was for me ;)
[05:33] <\sh> imbrandon: i thought qt# was abandoned
[05:33] <imbrandon> \sh, yea abandond in a young state
[05:33] <imbrandon> ie not useable
[05:33] <_Sime> the .net + Qt/KDE bindings have been getting a little bit of attention lately.
[05:33] <_Sime> but it is far from stable
[05:34] <imbrandon> which realy sucks for guys like me that use kde totaly and use c#
[05:34] <_Sime> I don't know if Richard is going to spend more time on it for KDE4.
[05:34] <imbrandon> i either have to learn something else for my gui apps like py or use gtk ;)
[05:34] <\sh> imbrandon: then don't use c# ;)
[05:35] <imbrandon> hehe i've been using c# for quite a few years \sh old habbits are hard to break ;)
[05:35] <imbrandon> but yea , thats why mainly i've been learning pyqt
[05:35] <_Sime> cool
[05:35] <imbrandon> and i guess pykde would be a better choice ;)
[05:36] <Riddell> yuriy: what revision control are you using and where is it available?
[05:36] <\sh> imbrandon: the same phrase I used when some guys wanted to force me to switch to python...I said "No, I've been using perl for more then 9 years now, and I don't change my language to python"
[05:37] <imbrandon> heheh ;)
[05:37] <\sh> well, I'm using both now ;)
[05:37] <imbrandon> well i never pay'ed python much attn till now becosue scripting ( like for my websites ) has always been php so no need for me to leanr it till now
[05:38] <imbrandon> yea looks like i'll be a php/python/c# guy ;)
[05:38] <imbrandon> instead of php/c# ;)
[05:38] <imbrandon> btw the php gtk rocks but again phpqt sucks ;)
[05:38] <imbrandon> heheh seems like a catch 22 most times
[05:39] <\sh> please remind me: If I will ever write a UI app in php with whatever toolkit, please shoot me on sight
[05:39] <\sh> well, remind me first, then shoot me
[05:39] <imbrandon> \sh, hahaha i've had to a few times, makes a GREAT rad tool for windows/linux cross dev , then later to be converted when time permits
[05:40] <imbrandon> php impot the glade files and be done, works on windows/linux with no code changes etc etc , but thats a diff story altogather ;)
[05:40] <yuriy> Riddell: KDE SVN, but I haven't made any commits yet
[05:41] <imbrandon> and i'm sure the same can be said for python, but as i said i already knew php at the time so there was no need
[05:43] <imbrandon> \sh, no pykde package, it it called something else ?
[05:43] <\sh> imbrandon: python2.4-kde3
[05:43] <imbrandon> k
[05:43] <imbrandon> heh was gonna try it out ;)
[05:44] <\sh> imbrandon: better to install python-kde3 and python-kde3-dev
[05:44] <imbrandon> k yea i think i have those for pyuic but i'll make sure
[05:44] <\sh> imbrandon: in python-kde3-dev there is the kdepyuic...
[05:45] <imbrandon> kk brb someone at the front door
[05:52] <abattoir> Riddell: is there any specific place where i am expected to put the code?
[05:52] <abattoir> i mean online....
[05:52] <Riddell> abattoir: any web server
[05:53] <Riddell> abattoir: have you branched colin's code?
[05:53] <abattoir> Riddell: nope just installed bzr, and d'loaded ubiquity....
[05:53] <abattoir> i'll do that now
[05:53] <abattoir> Riddell: then give me a week's time till i get myself a hosting service ;)
[05:54] <abattoir> or would that e late?
[05:54] <abattoir> *be
[05:54] <Riddell> abattoir: I can give you an account somewhere if you need it
[05:54] <abattoir> Riddell: that'd be great :)
[05:55] <abattoir> but forget it, if it'd be too much of a pain....
[05:55] <abattoir> need to get a site hosted soon anyways.
[05:55] <MidMark> guys none know in the kubuntu channel -> is it possible to activate surround in amarok? I've tried variuos surround40 ecc. but no sound from rear speakers...
[05:56] <Riddell> abattoir: /msg
[05:56] <abattoir> Riddell: got it thanks
[05:57] <abattoir> Riddell: i'll use it temporarily till i get a domain and a host.
[05:57] <Riddell> cool
[05:57] <Riddell> yuriy: thanks
[06:10] <MidMark> is it normal?
[06:10] <MidMark> Jun  3 16:25:33 localhost kdm_greet[5716] : Can't open default user face
[06:10] <MidMark> Jun  3 16:25:37 localhost kdm_greet[5716] : Internal error: memory corruption detected
[06:11] <Riddell> MidMark: it's been reported before
[06:11] <Riddell> MidMark: do you have a .face-something file?
[06:11] <Riddell> .face.icon
[06:11] <MidMark> Riddell: in home?
[06:11] <Riddell> yes
[06:12] <MidMark> nope
[06:13] <Riddell> hmm, maybe it breaks when you don't have one
[06:13] <Riddell> try copying a random .png file there
[06:14] <MidMark> there where?
[06:14] <Riddell> ~/.face.icon
[06:14] <MidMark> is it a dir? I have to create it?
[06:15] <Riddell> no, a file
[06:15] <Riddell> a PNG file
[06:16] <MidMark> is it the user icon?
[06:17] <Riddell> I believe so
[06:17] <\sh> Riddell: are you already reading kurts article about kubuntu and printing?
[06:17] <Riddell> \sh: yes
[06:17] <Riddell> he seems to blame us for problems in CUPS
[06:18] <\sh> Riddell: We had at the last day of linuxtag a nice chat with kurt and till
[06:19] <\sh> Riddell: if you can manage, please invite Till to the ubuntu conf...he is working at mandriva hq in paris I think...
[06:19] <\sh> Riddell: he was complaining about the cups stuff in ubuntu, too :)
[06:21] <\sh> Riddell: but the best way to solve this problem: Don't use printers, use PDF and a good document management :)
[06:21] <Riddell> too late to get him an official invite, but I can e-mail him and suggest he drop by
[06:21] <Riddell> that's how I solve it :)
[06:21] <Riddell> well, I have a printer from the nice MEPIS people, it works well
[06:22] <crimsun> a lot of people seem aggravated by that issue, but afaik it was a Debian decision to go that route; *buntu simply integrated it
[06:22] <\sh> Riddell: yeah, just a mail to say: "Hey come over here" ;)
[06:22] <Riddell> crimsun: which route?
[06:22] <crimsun> Riddell: the management frontend
[06:23] <crimsun> (are we referring to the same cups/kubuntu rant?)
[06:23] <\sh> crimsun: yes
[06:24] <Riddell> crimsun: Ubuntu/Kubuntu is the first distro to use CUPS 1.2, Debian hasn't changed yet
[06:24] <\sh> crimsun: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2064 and http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2072
[06:24] <crimsun> ah, I haven't read 2072
[06:24] <\sh> crimsun: it's "printing and kubuntu live cd"
[06:26] <crimsun> yeah, just finished reading it
[06:29] <Riddell> I like zander's comment at the bottom :)
[06:30] <imbrandon> hehe yea , i just finished reading it and zanders comment was the best thing about the whole page
[06:31] <toma> Riddell: well, if you are the first that is great, but at least be responsive to bug reports and fix them quickly.
[06:32] <crimsun> well, let's not put too much pressure on Riddell. Or if we do, we have to send lots of ponies.
[06:32] <Riddell> toma: pitti be packaging CUPS 1.2.1 soon
[06:33] <\sh> I threw away
[06:33] <toma> crimsun: no, i'm not ranting, i need a solution, thats all.
[06:34] <imbrandon> \sh, i have a printer ( hp psc 500 ) but i seem to never have the problems described there or other places, guess i'm just lucky
[06:35] <toma> Riddell: the packages at http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/cups don't fix anything for me, but i think 1.2.1 will solve some other problems.
[06:35] <\sh> toma: that's ivoks cups...not pittis
[06:35] <toma> right
[06:37] <\sh> the right way would be: 1. pitti and Till are working together on cups stuff ;) and 2. don't use printers at all ;)
[06:37] <pygi> \sh: first one is better :P
[06:37] <toma> \sh: well, 2 is needed to print invoices, so I stay alive.
[06:38] <\sh> toma: no...I need just a pdf for an invoice and gpg
[06:38] <toma> \sh: lucky you
[06:39] <\sh> toma: the printing is done via windows from those people paying my bill ;)
[06:40] <jpatrick> Riddell: it lives...
[06:40] <Riddell> jpatrick: ooh?
[06:40] <jpatrick> kde-icons-oxygen
[06:41] <Riddell> jpatrick: slap it on revu
[06:41] <jpatrick> I think I should really remove the .svn dirs
[06:42] <jpatrick> cos the .deb's full of them
[06:42] <apachelogger> jpatrick: absolutely
[06:42] <\sh> jpatrick: svn export instead of svn checkout?
[06:42] <Riddell> find . -name .svn | xargs rm -rf
[06:42] <\sh> or use riddels approach ;)
[06:43] <MidMark> guys printing is impossible, I have added a printer and then it is disappeared
[06:43] <toma> *sigh*
[06:43] <MidMark> nope sorry it is present but only for amminstrator? I have to add it via non admin?
[06:43] <jpatrick> that in debian/rules?
[06:44] <\sh> MidMark: the printer? how comes? aliens? scotty beamed the printer to the enterprise? ;)
[06:44] <Riddell> jpatrick: before making the .orig
[06:44] <MidMark> it's a canon pixma ip4200 usb
[06:44] <imbrandon> \sh, hehe not funny my printserver is named enterprise ;) ( eg all my computers are named after federation starships ;P )
[06:45] <imbrandon> MidMark, #kubuntu would be a better place for support questions
[06:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: will there be a package of kopete 0.12?
[06:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: has it been released?
[06:46] <imbrandon> Riddell, yes
[06:46] <apachelogger> yup
[06:46] <apachelogger> at least akregator told me ;-)
[06:46] <\sh> s/kopete/psi/ much better ;)
[06:46] <\sh> and no icq or msn
[06:46] <imbrandon> kmess ;)
[06:46] <Riddell> hmm, I don't konw what the best w;ay to package kopete is, if it should be a separate source package or a big patch to kdenetwork
[06:47] <\sh> Riddell: backport patches to kdenetwork?
[06:47] <apachelogger> well, seperate package would lead to the question how to versionize
[06:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: so would big patch to kdenetwork
[06:48] <apachelogger> yeah
[06:48] <Riddell> using patches to package separate branches seems ugly
[06:48] <\sh> Riddell: then we need to provide new releases to akregator, too
[06:49] <Riddell> I'm minded to just have a separate source, I don't /think/ that should cause any problems
[06:49] <Riddell> have they had a separate release too?
[06:49] <\sh> Riddell: they had, and afaik they have
[06:49] <imbrandon> why dosent kopete split its self from kdenetwork ?
[06:49] <\sh> kopete is just a hell of an app
[06:49] <\sh> imbrandon: it was separate before, then included into kdenetwork
[06:50] <Riddell> Not here they havn't http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=15621
[06:50] <Riddell> imbrandon: KDE is frozen just now
[06:50] <\sh> Riddell: then they changed their behaviour
[06:50] <apachelogger> http://akregator.pwsp.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=13&Itemid=26
[06:50] <crimsun> personally I would split off kopete and rebuild kdenetwork
[06:51] <Riddell> kopete would need to be versioned 4:3.5.3-kopete0.12.0-0ubuntu1
[06:51] <Riddell> lovely
[06:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: "October 2005" that's old
[06:51] <apachelogger> so no realease
[06:51] <apachelogger> blog also doesn't say anything about new release
[06:52] <\sh> or don't build the kopete source in kdenetwork and attach kopetes new sources to kdenetwork source somehow..repackage it completly
[06:52] <apachelogger> \sh: maybe you're talking about the new feature in 3.5.3?
[06:52] <jpatrick> \sh: aka big patch
[06:52] <\sh> apachelogger: no when akregator was included in kdenetwork/kdepim it released sometimes bugfixes
[06:52] <\sh> apachelogger: separate from kde release
[06:52] <apachelogger> hm
[06:52] <\sh> apachelogger: just like kopete...
[06:53] <apachelogger> kopete's configure possabilities are just a shame
[06:53] <\sh> and to be honest, kopete is the worst app (next to gaim) for a kde/gnome release
[06:54] <\sh> the plugins are most likely to fail one or two weeks after release, when aol changes their protocol again
[06:54] <\sh> and then, they release a single kopete version which is not in the kde release tree
[06:55] <crimsun> Riddell: if you're going to split out kopete's source package, why not just bump the epoch and start with 5:0.12.0-0ubuntu1? Is there any real tie to maintain compatibility?
[06:55] <Riddell> KDE already has one of the highest epochs in use
[06:55] <\sh> If I remeber right, the last time, for breezy, there was the same situation, breezy released, kde released as well, and icq changed their protocol, and kopete was crashing
[06:55] <Riddell> I expect kopete to release as part of KDE again in the future
[06:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think jingle support should be possible for kopete - at least Tm_T told me that it compiles without problems with dapper libortp
[06:56] <Riddell> anyone know how tm_t versioned his packages?
[06:57] <apachelogger> hm, there is a beta1 package
[06:57] <\sh> Riddell: why not a separate kopete package with -0kubuntu1 ?
[06:57] <apachelogger>  Version: 5:0.12-beta1-debug-1
[06:57] <\sh> Riddell: for the next release we can conflict/replaces kdenetwork with kopete-0.12-0kubuntu1 ;)
[06:58] <Riddell> there's nothing to conflict, the binary package will always be kopete
[06:58] <\sh> it's won't even go into the official ubuntu repositories
[06:58] <\sh> Riddell: not if we change it to "kopete_hell" ;)
[06:59] <apachelogger> lol
[06:59] <\sh> or just forget about kopete
[06:59] <\sh> edgy is just 4 months away
[06:59] <apachelogger> well
[06:59] <apachelogger> far too much used application
[07:00] <jpatrick> apachelogger: dude, how many amaroK's do you have running?
[07:00] <apachelogger> huh?
[07:00] <apachelogger> jpatrick: why?
[07:00] <\sh> apachelogger: sad enough, we should castrate kopete to use jabber plugin only
[07:00] <apachelogger> oohhh
[07:01] <apachelogger> jpatrick: nice bug ;-)
[07:01] <jpatrick> apachelogger: ;)
[07:01] <apachelogger> \sh: oh yeah
[07:01] <crimsun> \sh: oh I can imagine yet more angry dot posts about that one...
[07:01] <apachelogger> that's why I hate the configure options
[07:01] <apachelogger> I don't use msn, icq, aim, icq or anything else - just jabber
[07:01] <\sh> crimsun: printing or kopete? ;)
[07:01] <apachelogger> so why the hell do I have to do 45min compile just to get my jabber client up to date?
[07:02] <crimsun> \sh: castrating kopete :)
[07:02] <\sh> crimsun: honestly, we want to provide opensource to the world, so why should we deliver an app which is using non open sourced protocols?
[07:02] <\sh> crimsun: but for this I can live with the rants...
[07:03] <\sh> crimsun: the tricky part is to provide a jabber server which runs the transports and give the user the possibility to use those transports
[07:03] <\sh> to not forget their icq buddies
[07:05] <pygi> \sh: we had this discussion already...it's is not somewhat l
[07:05] <pygi> clear for admin to run a server with transports enabled
[07:06] <\sh> pygi: check jabber.org server, they don't have transports enabled, but other servers have, so jabber.org users are using public jabber icq transports e.g. on other servers (like mine)
[07:06] <pygi> yes, indeed
[07:07] <\sh> so problem solved, no more point releases to update for kopete, everybody happy. ;)
[07:07] <pygi> hehe ;)
[07:07] <pygi> If only transports would work perfectly ;)
[07:08] <\sh> pygi: they don't have to: gmail jabber user invites msn user to gmail
[07:08] <pygi> ah :)
[07:08] <jpatrick> ok kde-icons-oxygen on revu
[07:08] <pygi> jpatrick, nice ;)
[07:09] <\sh> msn user is clicking on the invitation link, google has a new customer, and they are neighbours again ;)
[07:09] <pygi> yes, yes, joy ;)
[07:09] <Riddell> jpatrick: did you get the pbuilder compile time down?
[07:09] <jpatrick> Riddell: no
[07:10] <jpatrick> apachelogger's thing didn't work
[07:10] <jpatrick> oh wait
[07:11] <jpatrick> someone needs to update pbuilder on revu
[07:11] <jpatrick> crimsun: ^
[07:12] <crimsun> jpatrick: not an admin, ping siretart/ajmitch/sistpoty
[07:12] <jpatrick> oh ok
[07:13] <\sh> i think we need to update revu to dapper ;)
[07:14] <\sh> shermann@tiber:~$ w
[07:14] <\sh>  13:09:35 up 175 days, 20:16,  7 users,  load average: 0.03, 0.22, 0.38
[07:17] <\sh> jpatrick: oxygene package will be arch indep?
[07:17] <jpatrick> \sh: yeah I forgot that
[07:17] <apachelogger> \sh: -e ;-)
[07:18] <\sh> jpatrick: I'm just asking, because I want it to compile on my amd64 and install it on my laptop ;)
[07:18] <\sh> apachelogger: oxygn?
[07:18] <\sh> ;)
[07:18] <apachelogger> oxygen
[07:18] <apachelogger> :P
[07:19] <\sh> jpatrick: so archtictecture must be all, not any, right?
[07:20] <jpatrick> \sh: fix uploaded
[07:20] <apachelogger> oh
[07:20] <apachelogger> 18:46:22 (108.49 KB/s) - kubuntu-6.06-dvd-i386.iso saved [3657142272/3657142272]
[07:20] <apachelogger> :D
[07:22] <\sh> we need a nice app for svgs..inkscape are too many gtk deps
[07:22] <apachelogger> split inkscape
[07:23] <apachelogger> library and frontends
[07:23] <crimsun> multibuild hell!
[07:23] <apachelogger> ;-)
[07:23] <\sh> remove inkscape introduce: kink-scape
[07:23] <apachelogger> one could also find 30 devs for karbon13
[07:24] <\sh> or we need something like "Knome" a KDE gnome emulator...
[07:24] <apachelogger> hm
[07:25] <apachelogger> isn't portland aiming to make such a thingy unneeded?
[07:26] <\sh> apachelogger: when? after oregon is released?
[07:26] <apachelogger> probably ;-)
[07:27] <apachelogger> everyone to use KDE
[07:27] <apachelogger> http://www.linux-discount.de/merchandising/index_html/merchandising/novellfanartikel
[07:27] <apachelogger> wtf!!!!!!
[07:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: how's the Kubuntu merchandise machine running?
[07:30] <\sh> kwwii: wow...great icons, but if the panel is in tiny mode, as I have it on this little piece of 12" laptop display, the crystal icons are better
[07:31] <pygi> you could always go. assemble devs, and make QT port of Inkscape
[07:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: it's not
[07:31] <apachelogger> :S
[07:31] <cmvo> Riddell: Is the kubuntu mug available somewhere?
[07:31] <Riddell> kubuntu.de
[07:32] <apachelogger> we need to get that stuff running - merchandise is always a good point of promotion
[07:32] <jpatrick> ok revu deb's work
[07:32] <\sh> cmvo: http://www.linuxshop.de/shop/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=30&products_id=241
[07:32] <\sh> cmvo: it's amus shop
[07:33] <cmvo> Riddell, \sh: Ah, thanks. Just what the doctor ordered :-)
[07:33] <\sh> apachelogger: speak with amu
[07:33] <apachelogger> aye aye
[07:42] <goldenear> Tonio_: ping
[07:47] <jpatrick> Tonio_: ping
[08:01] <goldenear> jpatrick: Tonio_ seems to be busy :(
[08:01] <jpatrick> goldenear: yep
[08:03] <\sh> Riddell: I'll subscribe to the kubuntu teams again
[08:04] <\sh> Riddell: argl..I can't subscribe, I'm deactivated
[10:11] <\sh> kwwii: answered your question via mail :)
[10:18] <kwwii> cool :-)
[10:18] <kwwii> I could reall get to like using excrytped mail
[10:18] <kwwii> erm, spelling
[10:18] <\sh> kwwii: we can share pr0n now ;)
[10:19] <kwwii> lol
[10:19] <kwwii> my friend at novell just got fired for that
[10:19] <\sh> kwwii: that's why i don't have my gpg keys installed on my company notebook ;)
[10:20] <\sh> I need to fix gpg to use gpg cryptosmartcards
[10:20] <\sh> so i can carry around a pcmcia or usb device with a nice smartcard where my gpg is sleeping in piece ;)
[10:21] <kwwii> between having pr0n on your harddrive and not giving up the key to you encrypted partition, you loose your job at suse these days
[10:21] <kwwii> yeah, having a usbstick with it would be nice
[10:22] <\sh> kwwii: btw..you got my message about oxygen icons and a tiny panel size?
[10:23] <jpatrick> I just packaged Oxygen
[10:25] <kwwii> jpatrick: where do you intend to put that?
[10:26] <kwwii> jpatrick: would you be unhappy if I asked you to wait to put it anywhere important?
[10:26] <jpatrick> No
[10:26] <kwwii> it is still kinda early
[10:26] <jpatrick> I was told to work on a package
[10:26] <kwwii> we are working like crazy on it, so it'll be done enough to really test in a few weeks
[10:26] <kwwii> hehe, cool
[10:26] <kwwii> I mean, I am happy that you did it
[10:27] <kwwii> but I would hate to start getting 100 emails telling me what is still bad about it when we are not even ready to announce a first release
[10:27] <jpatrick> It's quite cool
[10:27] <kwwii> thanks :-)
[10:28] <kwwii> we will probably change the color of the default folder icon
[10:28] <kwwii> to brown I guess
[10:28] <kwwii> or perhaps a lighter version of brown
I like the blue</pro-kde>
[10:30] <\sh> kwwii: but the new konqui icon is fantastic
[10:30] <kwwii> but it looks horrible at small sizes, we have to fix that
[10:31] <kwwii> I always use a small panel
[10:31] <kwwii> and I just fixed the system icon for the panel as well :-)
[10:32] <kwwii> jpatrick: you should be sure to check the script in my (Ken) dir to know how the rendering is being done
[10:32] <\sh> oh i'm so sad, that I suck in arts, really
[10:33] <jpatrick> kwwii: I did have an awful error
[10:33] <jpatrick> kwwii: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/755571
[10:33] <kwwii> jpatrick: well the small sizes will look half so nasty as normal without the imagemagick options
[10:34] <jpatrick> kwwii: it slowed build time from 2 minutes to an hour
[10:34] <kwwii> yeah, I know, but that is life
[10:34] <kwwii> it is really cup intensive
[10:34] <kwwii> cpu
[10:34] <jpatrick> yeah
[10:35] <jpatrick> Maybe I shouldn't have had amaroK running at the time...
[10:35] <\sh> I wonder how long it takes on 2 dual core 2.2GHz Opterons with 16gb ram
[10:35] <kwwii> we are using a different scaling filter and doing sharpening and contrast adjustment
[10:35] <kwwii> the ram is unimportant
[10:35] <\sh> kernel compile with make -j 4 took less then 2 minutes
[10:35] <kwwii> the cpus make it rock
[10:36] <\sh> I'm trying to get one from the company who is producing our servers...
[10:36] <kwwii> when I run the script on my mac I cannot open a konqi window for 20-30 seconds
[10:36] <\sh> with the same hardware actually, so 8 TB sata raid 6 comes with it ;)
[10:37] <kwwii> luckily the file size is also unimportant :-)
[10:37] <\sh> kwwii: believe me, these machines are quite cool....
[10:37] <pygi> hey kwwii ;)
[10:37] <kwwii> oh, I do believe you :-)
[10:37] <kwwii> howdy pygi
[10:38] <\sh> kwwii: right now, 400 of these machines are build in our datacenter...at the end we should have (1. stage) 1k of those computers
[10:39] <\sh> and I'm responsible for installing suse on those machines
[10:39] <\sh> life sometimes sucks
[10:40] <kwwii> hehe
[10:40] <kwwii> I had to keep the usability lab up and running and that was too much for me
[10:40] <\sh> kwwii: but the kernel was until thursday an ubuntu kernel ;)
[10:40] <kwwii> ouch
[10:41] <\sh> kwwii: because sles9 kernel doesn't support areca raid controllers
[10:41] <\sh> kwwii: ubuntu does, but has problems too. now a plain vanilla 2.6.16 is doing a great job
[10:41] <kwwii> hehe
[10:41] <kwwii> cool
[10:42] <kwwii> trust in the source, luke
[10:42] <kwwii> one of my first answers from a developer when discussing a certain unamed program was "read the source, luke"
[10:43] <kwwii> I don't think I have hated anyone so much since
[10:43] <\sh> kwwii: well, in 2.6.15 there is (as I understood it, from the manufacture kernel guy) a glitch in the scsi driver, and combined with the areca patch it makes "peng"
[10:44] <\sh> 2.6.16 fixes this and areaca is running like a charm...on of the first 16 channel raid 6 sata controller these days
[10:44] <\sh> s/on/one/
[10:44] <kwwii> lucky you
[10:45] <kwwii> saves a lot of sweat
[10:45] <\sh> oh no...it costs me 4 days
[10:46] <\sh> of limited time...next week we want to deploy 200 servers...just boot the machines and install...200 hundred of them, let's what is burning first, ubuntu server or our network
[10:46] <\sh> let's see even
[10:48] <kwwii> hehe
[10:49] <\sh> ok enough from work...
[10:51] <imbrandon_> \sh: what are you doing with so many servers ? cluster ? hosting ?
[10:53] <\sh> imbrandon_: that's a secret...I signed an NDA to not tell anybody what we are doing...but we could do something like finding aliens for the seti project ;) actually even right now, we are the datacenter with the fastest internet connection in germany, and we are no. 1 in things like storage per squaremeter
[10:53] <imbrandon_> ahh cool, was just curious ;)
[10:54] <imbrandon_> yea seti@ would be cool on that many ;)
[10:54] <imbrandon_> heh
[10:54] <\sh> imbrandon_: customer product launch is on 12th July
[10:54] <imbrandon_> nice
[10:56] <\sh> imbrandon_: well, to be honest, I'm just responsible to setup FAI, but our datacenter guys, they need to install them into the racks...and that's not a nice job...19" full length machines, 16 500GB sata hds, the machines weight is at least 10-15 KGs
[10:57] <\sh> and they won't do anything then be storage for customers...nothing else...the logic behind all this is running on hp blade centers...as well dual core opterons
[10:58] <imbrandon_> nice
[10:59] <imbrandon_> yea those 4 servers are all mysql db servers with only one of them a logic server with dual opterons and 4 x 400gb sata raid 0 drives ( 2 mysql servers live 2 as backup mirros )
[11:01] <imbrandon_> like i said modest by most people but i'm happy with it ;)
[11:01] <Flosoft> hey @ all
[11:02] <Flosoft> still alot of people getting Kubuntu
[11:02] <imbrandon_> thats a good thing ;0
[11:02] <Flosoft> I got an average of 5 new people clicking download a minute
[11:02] <\sh> Flosoft: do you have mrtg stats or rrd graphics for the mirror?
[11:02] <Flosoft> yes
[11:02] <Flosoft> not public ones but yes
[11:03] <Flosoft> the last 48hours: 20 Terra Byte of Kubuntu Downloads ;)
[11:03] <Flosoft> which is aloooot!
[11:03] <imbrandon_> Flosoft: which mirror ( sorry if i sounds ignorant still new to kubuntu-devel by a few months )
[11:03] <Flosoft> Flosoft Mirror Network ;)
[11:03] <Flosoft> I had 9
[11:03] <imbrandon_> heheh ;)
[11:03] <imbrandon_> nice
[11:03] <Flosoft> now only 3 are still up
[11:03] <\sh> Flosoft: bandwidth? (the traffic itself is nothing to worry about)
[11:03] <Flosoft> my main ones
[11:04] <Flosoft> well the 3 primary ones that I run have Dual 20Gbit/s Fibre Optic
[11:04] <Flosoft> and they had 20TB Traffic
[11:04] <imbrandon_> Flosoft: and thats just kubuntu or *buntu ?
[11:04] <Flosoft> only Kubuntu
[11:04] <imbrandon_> NICE
[11:04] <Flosoft> I don't like ubuntu ;)
[11:04] <\sh> Flosoft: to the internet? (20Gbit/s)?
[11:04] <Flosoft> yes
[11:05] <Flosoft> my 3 main mirrors
[11:05] <Flosoft> the other ones are from companies or private people with between 10 and 100 Mbp/s
[11:05] <\sh> Flosoft: that means, you occupied 20Gbit/s the last 48hours continously?
[11:05] <Flosoft> yes
[11:05] <Flosoft> 3 Mirrors with 20Gbit/s
[11:05] <Flosoft> in total 20 TerraBytes Traffic
[11:06] <Flosoft> a bit more now
[11:06] <Flosoft> and still heavy downloading going on now
[11:06] <\sh> Flosoft: how do you get more then 2gb/s to the servers?
[11:06] <imbrandon_> you should let Riddell have a copy of those mrtg graphs for kubuntu.org or the kubuntu news letter to show off ;)
[11:06] <\sh> Flosoft: you don't do bonding, do you?
[11:06] <Flosoft> they're in a German DataCenter
[11:06] <Flosoft> bonding?
[11:07] <Flosoft> I am doing hosting ;)
[11:07] <imbrandon_> heh maybe \sh 's datacenter ;)
[11:07] <\sh> that can't be, no one else has 20gbit/s
[11:07] <\sh> we are the only one, that's why i'm shocked :)
[11:07] <jpatrick> you got competetion
[11:07] <Flosoft> Europe?
[11:07] <\sh> Flosoft: germany
[11:07] <Flosoft> hehe
[11:07] <Flosoft> exactly
[11:07] <\sh> Flosoft: level3 connection in ffm...
[11:08] <Flosoft> I don't know too much bout the specs
[11:08] <Flosoft> We are in Berlin
[11:08] <imbrandon_> Flosoft: you should let Riddell have a copy of those mrtg graphs for kubuntu.org or the kubuntu news letter to show off ;)
[11:08] <\sh> Flosoft: karlsruhe...you know web.de or formlery web.de?
[11:08] <\sh> formerly ;)
[11:08] <Flosoft> yes
[11:08] <Flosoft> web.de ... what is it now?
[11:09] <\sh> Flosoft: 1&1 but we are not 1&1 :) we are combots :)
[11:09] <Flosoft> ah .. 1&1 is nice ,)
[11:09] <Flosoft> ;)
[11:09] <Flosoft> but I am with the biggest Competition of 1&1 in germany ;)
[11:09] <\sh> Flosoft: as I said, we are not 1&1 :) we sold web.de to 1&1 :)
[11:09] <\sh> imbrandon_: we don't do business
[11:10] <\sh> hosting business
[11:10] <Flosoft> well ok ;)
[11:10] <Flosoft> I'll upload an image of the Graphs
[11:10] <Flosoft> last 6 hours
[11:10] <Flosoft> of one of the mirrors
[11:10] <\sh> Flosoft: what's the biggest competior of 1&1? schlund?
[11:10] <\sh> (teles)
[11:10] <Flosoft> Strato AG?
[11:11] <Flosoft> yes
[11:11] <Flosoft> Teles
[11:11] <Flosoft> well Strato = Teles = Freenet = ....
[11:11] <Flosoft> :p
[11:11] <\sh> ah then ok :)
[11:11] <imbrandon_> ahh my two domains are hosted at diffrent data centers , i need to get them both on one server though, still trying to find the best one for my money .... imbrandon.com is with one and one but i dont like them much, and buntudot.org is with dreamhost.com ;) will probbly move both to dreamhost unless i find something better
[11:11] <\sh> but you are not alone on your line ;)
[11:11] <Flosoft> afaik they have the fastest DataCentre in EU no?
[11:11] <\sh> Flosoft: no.
[11:11] <\sh> Flosoft: combots has :)
[11:12] <\sh> Flosoft: as a single, not sharing any bandwidth with others, datacenter
[11:12] <Flosoft> ah ok
[11:12] <Flosoft> well yes, we share the bandwidth
[11:12] <Flosoft> but we get a high speed ;)
[11:13] <\sh> Flosoft: but my question was: how do you get 20Gbit/s to the servers? you can do 2gbit/s with 2 fibre lines, or bonding (2 fibre lines, one for incoming traffic, one for outgoing traffic)
[11:14] <Flosoft> don't ask me ... I just check my server in the rack ;) via Serial Console ... it gives me these limits
[11:15] <Flosoft> and I had transfer rates as fast as these
[11:15] <\sh> imbrandon_: what is good for the money? what do you need?
[11:19] <\sh> oh wow...I just see, that my root server upstream lost his connection to decis
[11:19] <\sh> oh wow...I just see, that my root server upstream lost his connection to decix
[11:20] <imbrandon_> one sec phone thene 'll tell ya
[11:23] <Flosoft> \sh: that is bad ;)
[11:24] <\sh> Flosoft: well, as I can see in the ticket history, they are working on fixing this...
[11:24] <\sh> Flosoft: doesn't matter...netcologne has a direct connection to hosteurope :0
[11:33] <Flosoft> http://www.flosoft.biz/tmp/mrtg1.jpg
[11:35] <imbrandon_> \sh: sorry, had a phone call, but basicly all i need is ssh access , php5, mysql , and tons of storage ( 40+ gig )
[11:36] <imbrandon_> i get all that with dreamhost right now for about 200$ usd a year
[11:36] <\sh> imbrandon_: that's cheap
[11:37] <imbrandon_> yea it is but i have no idea what connection i'm on IE speed
[11:37] <imbrandon_> ;)
[11:37] <\sh> imbrandon_: vserver or real root server?
[11:37] <imbrandon_> vserver
[11:37] <Flosoft> \sh: Here you have your MRTG Graph: http://www.flosoft.biz/tmp/mrtg1.jpg
[11:38] <imbrandon_> \sh: would be nice to have a real root server then i could run all my neat apt-mirror stuff easier and such ;)
[11:38] <\sh> that mbits, not gbits :)
[11:38] <imbrandon_> but real vs virtual is usaly more $$
[11:41] <\sh> imbrandon_: sometimes yes :)


[12:17] <dievel> Hi!
[12:18] <dievel> I new to edubuntu. I just installed the Edubuntu 12.04 on a server.
[12:18] <dievel> With LTSP. Thin clients works out of the box.
[12:19] <dievel> Now I need some hint on the administration of the users.
[12:20] <dievel> Is it different form Ubuntu? I'm asking because there is no "User Account" application in Administration Menu.
[12:20] <dievel> Should I use only the CLI or there are other managers?
[12:23] <dievel> Ok. I found the "User Account" icon :)
[12:24] <dievel> But my perplexity remain: which is the good way to manage accounts?
[13:37] <dievel> Hi, is there anybody?
[13:39] <alkisg> !ask
[14:05] <dievel> Sorry :) I was not sure about my irc client. Question: which is best practice to manage user accounts in Edubuntu? The standard "user Account" application or other managers?
[14:26] <alkisg> It depends on your usage
[14:26] <alkisg> If you're managing a few users, it's ok
[14:26] <alkisg> If you have ldap, you need a different tool
[14:26] <alkisg> If you're using a web interface to manage your server, there are other tools
[14:26] <alkisg> Some sysadmins also use scripts to create users
[14:41] <dievel> Well right now I'll start with few users and I'd like to use epoptes too. So I'll stick with standard management or CLI. Thanks.
[14:44] <alkisg> We developed a user management tool for local use here... we'll internationalize it next year, like we did with epoptes
[14:56] <isthakur_>  I want to setup an ltsp enviroment for windows os based clients or client that can run some windoes bases softwares such as dreamweaver, photoshop etc I wouldn't mind to use wine or any other windows emulator
[15:02] <alkisg> isthakur_: and your question is?


[13:12] <bregma> for those interested the Ubuntu Online Summit (the successor to UDS) is starting at the top of the next hour http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1406/2014-06-10/


[01:48] <garrettr> What is the difference between kernels compiled with "make deb-pkg" (using the makefile that comes with a vanilla kernel) and kernels compiled with "make-kpkg"?
[07:55] <emiliano_> linux-imagehi
[07:55] <emiliano_> hi
[08:07] <emiliano_> i have a question about linux-image-4.2.0-..-generic
[08:12] <emiliano_> i upgraded my workstation to 15.10 from 15.04 and then the workstation freeze on lightgm without keyboard and mouse
[08:12] <emiliano_> so i searched for the cause of the bugs