[04:46] <brousch> greg-g: 100? I'm currently in Tempe, AZ for a work conference. 117 today!
[12:53] <cmaloney> brousch: WTF?
[12:53] <cmaloney> Also: morning
[13:01] <brousch> Very hot here.
[13:01] <rick_h> yea, hot and pita
[13:02] <rick_h> 94 here in london, I thought it was supposed to be cool and rainy
[13:02] <jrwren_> brousch: I saw the news that planes can't take off in phoenix because its 120+ the air gets too thin
[13:03] <brousch> Apparently some models of jet cannot operate above 118
[13:05] <cmaloney> rick_h: We have the windows open and it's quite nice here. :)
[13:05] <rick_h> ugh, I had hoped it'd be cooler here since it was in the upper 80s when I left
[13:06] <jrwren_> its 62 in my house right now.
[13:07] <rick_h> yea, the plane thing is kind of insane. Everyone will have to evacuate the "too hot to live here" area at night
[13:11] <mrgoodcat> andrej karpathy is a lot younger than i'd assumed
[13:11] <mrgoodcat> also he's just gotten a job at tesla apparently
[13:12] <jrwren_> isn't it often 120 in the middle east? How do those airports function?
[13:14] <rick_h> Bigger planes (which can usually operate up to 126-127F/ 53C) have not been affected by the heat in Arizona, but such issues arising from the scorching conditions can help to explain why many countries in the Middle East, or some high-altitude airports in South America, tend to schedule long haul flights for the evening or night, when it is cooler.
[13:14]  * rick_h quotes:
[13:14] <cmaloney> not many people fly in and out of the middle east?
[13:14] <cmaloney> or they use different planes
[13:14] <rick_h> cmaloney: nope, many do because almost everyone coming from china/australia/etc go through that way and connect there
[13:21] <jrwren_> i assume more people flight in and out of middle east because of all the wealth. Dubai has 2 major airports, which is a lot for such a tiny nation.
[13:22] <jrwren_> and everyone is saudi arabia are gazillionairs and they all fly all over the world globtrotting.
[13:22] <jrwren_> :)
[13:23] <cmaloney> Yeah, that
[13:23] <rick_h> I know almost all our folks from out east come via dubai
[13:23] <rick_h> to EU and eastern US
[13:25] <jrwren_> lol @ dubai has 2 major... I mean UAE.
[13:25] <jrwren_> Dubai and Abudbi
[13:25] <jrwren_> Abu Dhabi
[13:25] <jrwren_> sheesh :)
[13:25] <rick_h> lol
[13:28] <brousch> Tempe is lovely this time of year, if your idea of lovely is living in an oven
[17:06] <shakes808> http://php.net/manual/en/images/0baa1b9fae6aec55bbb73037f3016001-xkcd-goto.png
[17:54] <mrgoodcat> ha I love that they put that in the php manual
[17:54] <mrgoodcat> I just looked up the goto page to see what context they had it in


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[10:14] <nrbrtx> Dear all! Today I have installed Ubuntu Utopic from beta2 CD and discovered that many bugs are still not fixed. These bugs are: 1245137, 1242572, 1263228, 1244090, 1270574, 1270579, 1280759.
[14:46] <teward> can we have a topic addition to say "ISO issues?  #ubuntu-quality" or something?
[14:46] <teward> i think -quality handles the ISOs more than here does...
[15:49] <filipsohajek> Hello, can you please set status Triaged to this bug and importance to High? Thanks https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcre3/+bug/1361610


[12:56] <mup> PR snapd#12880 opened: many: add pointer to volume in gadget.VolumeStructure <Needs Documentation -auto-> <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12880>


[00:06] <baggar11> has anyone else noticed that myth-frontend takes a long time to load upon boot? at least compared to 0.22-
[00:42] <patdk-lap> baggar11, nope, mine loads quick
[00:43] <patdk-lap> much quicker than 0.22
[00:48] <quinten> hi! just upgraded to 10.10
[00:49] <quinten> i have a mceusb2 IR receiver. I'm trying to program a third-party remote on it, but having a lot of trouble with irrecord
[00:49] <quinten> i'm wondering if this is a known issue. i had no trouble with the same hardware and remote in an earlier mythtv release
[00:57] <patdk-lap> heh, sounds like fun :)
[00:57] <patdk-lap> the ir stack got completely change
[01:01] <quinten> hmm. i no longer see a mceusb2 module--is that expected?
[01:01] <quinten> i only see mceusb
[01:01] <quinten> lirc_mceusb
[01:01] <quinten> patdk-lap: i'm willing to futz around to get it to work. any idea of a starting place? new documentation?
[01:03] <quinten> i keep getting an error "something went wrong". when i look at a file that was created with the -f option, all of the remote codes are the same
[01:06] <patdk-lap> not really
[01:06] <patdk-lap> from what I understand most things, and the mceusb should work, without much issue
[01:06] <patdk-lap> but I don't use ir, so
[02:05] <mofu> should 0.24 show up in the Repositories list in Mythbuntu-Control Center?
[02:05] <patdk-lap> I believe so
[02:06] <patdk-lap> it showed up in mcc for me, I forget exactly where or how
[02:06] <patdk-lap> but you probably also have to update fully first
[02:07] <mofu> updated to .23.1 . . .  having trouble with ppa.lauchpad
[02:11] <mofu> any problems with MCC thru a remote X-session?
[02:13] <mofu> is ppa.launchpad.net down??
[03:14] <baggar11> just re-adjusted my antenna to pick up a couple more channels. ran mythfilldatabase, but new stations are getting guide data, anyone run into that?
[03:15] <baggar11> I've rebooted the server and manually run mythfilldatabase a couple times, still no go
[03:20] <baggar11> hehe, new stations are "not" getting guide data. just displays unknown
[04:00] <baggar11> got it figured out, deleted my input connections, tuners, etc and started over from scratch
[16:16] <MrMintanet> Hey, how's everyone doing today?
[16:16] <MrMintanet> Just found the ubuntu IRC channels
[16:17] <tgm4883> !hi
[16:17] <Zinn> Sorry I don't know about hi
[16:34] <rhpot1991> !hello
[16:34] <Zinn> hello, something we can help you with today?
[16:34] <rhpot1991> I thought he knew hi
[16:38] <Gibby> where is list of what he knows?
[16:44] <rhpot1991> !help
[16:44] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[18:56] <chiluk> So I have an issue with mythvideo and the upmixer... Basically I'm trying to pass-thru the ac3 audio through an spdif to my receiver.
[18:57] <chiluk> when I play recorded HD video with the upmixer off, my receiver recognizes it nicely as dolby digital
[18:57] <chiluk> if I play transcoded dvds out of the "vidoes" folder my receiver sees it as 2 channel
[18:58] <chiluk> and when I look in the menu to see the information on the audio track it is being reported as 2 channel AC3...
[18:59] <chiluk> These videos do in fact have Dolby Digital 5.1 AC3 tracks, but for whatever reason the "internal" video player refuses to pass-thru the ac3 to my receiver.  Is anyone else having this issue?
[19:19] <Gibby> where do you see in the menu it is 2 channel?
[19:43] <chiluk> Gibby, On select audio track . when I encoded the movie, I added two tracks.
[19:44] <Gibby> ahh ok
[19:44] <chiluk> one should be AC3 pass-thru... the other was DTS encoded as ac3 (ffmpeg) I believe.
[19:44] <chiluk> both were showing up as 2-channel.
[19:45] <chiluk> I think I need to verify that I'm not nuts, and try to play the video with vlc directly, and verify that I can get pass-thru functioning outside of myth..
[19:45] <chiluk> I know it works because it worked gloriously in 9.10  *(before the upmixer).
[19:48] <biffhero> "Sue Aitken, a trained social worker" ...
[19:48] <biffhero> oops, wrong channel.  ignore me.


[15:50] <jcastro> 10 minutes!
[15:52] <tgpraveen> hi ppl
[15:52] <tgpraveen> i know c/c++ and java to somewhat ok level
[15:53] <tgpraveen> i want to help in floss software
[15:53] <tgpraveen> by writing/fixing code
[15:53] <tgpraveen> can anybody guide me from where i should start and how?
[15:53] <jcastro> find a project on launchpad and dig in?
[15:53] <tgpraveen> is there a good book on the tools used or some good resources>
[15:54] <tgpraveen> dig in?
[15:54] <tgpraveen> jcastro: what all should i know before i can dig in?
[15:54] <tgpraveen> git?gtk?
[15:54] <tgpraveen> or is there some good beginner's guide or something?
[15:54] <jcastro> I would just browse a project and pull it with bzr and just start messing with it
[15:55] <jcastro> there's no real guide afaik
[15:55] <Bram> start by fiding a project that interess you, then you will know what to learn to be able to contribute to it
[15:55] <jcastro> or you could find a project you care about and mail their list asking for a place to start
[15:55] <jcastro> what bram said!
[15:55] <jcastro> (5 minutes until "How to Run A Jam" session!)
[15:57] <Bram> tgpraveen: are there any soft you use and you like that you think miss a feature or in witch one you want to invest ? (avoid soft like firefox or the entire gnome/kde :p)
[15:57] <jcastro> yeah, start with something small
[15:58] <tgpraveen> Bram: i am intrested in telepathy/empathy
[15:58] <jcastro> tgpraveen: also, if you search launchpad for "bitesize" bugs there are usually little one liners and stuff you can fix
[15:58] <jcastro> tgpraveen: #telepathy on freenode I believe.
[15:58] <tgpraveen> project and i hang out in their irc channel and file a lot of bugs and all but dont know how i
[15:58] <tgpraveen> should start with the code part
[15:59] <tgpraveen> their really needs to be a nice starting point/beginner's guide explaining and guiding to stuff like what the version control tools are, what toolkits are etc
[15:59] <Bram> tgpraveen: oh I know some of the dev of this project, do you know glib and others gnome techno ?
[15:59] <jcastro> tgpraveen: yeah that's been a problem for a long time
[15:59] <Bram> they do a lot of C and some python and if my memory is good they uses git
[15:59] <tgpraveen> Bram: no i am absolute beginner
[16:00] <jcastro> unfortunately lots of projects do things differently, so one true guide would be difficult
[16:00] <tgpraveen> Bram: so what so what gnome technology should i specifically learn
[16:00] <jcastro> ok, who is here for the How to Run a Jam session?
[16:00] <tgpraveen> should i begin with learning glib? if so what is best way to do so?
[16:00] <fetova> me :)
[16:01] <jcastro> woo!
[16:01] <Bram> jcastro: me to
[16:01] <fetova> :D
[16:01] <jcastro> ok, let's give it a few minutes for the stragglers
[16:01] <jcastro> and then we'll begin
[16:01] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams
[16:01] <jcastro> for those of you who want to cheat
[16:02] <fetova> first time to ubuntu-mx, so want to know what to do in a better way xD
[16:02] <Bram> tgpraveen: I don't know exactly what techno they use but start hacking in C/glib and start to learn how to use git
[16:02] <Bram> tgpraveen: btw it's a big project but I think if you ask them they will find some small bugs that you can fix
[16:04] <tgpraveen> Bram: ok i have started with learning git. what do u mean by hacking in glib? reading their docs?
[16:04] <Bram> tgpraveen: make some c code using the glib
[16:05] <jcastro> ok, let's get started
[16:05] <jcastro> tgpraveen: we have a session now in this channel
[16:05] <tgpraveen> hmm... ok. Bram jcastro thx for ur help bye
[16:05] <jcastro> can you guys move the discussion to -chat or something?
[16:05] <jcastro> tgpraveen: don't leave permanently!
[16:05] <tgpraveen> jcastro: ok
[16:05] <jcastro> tgpraveen: check out the gnome love project as well
[16:05] <jcastro> it's designed to get people started
[16:06] <jcastro> that will at least move in you the right direction
[16:06] <jcastro> ok, so this session is How to Run a Successful Jam
[16:06] <jcastro> please holler if you're here for that and from what local team you are from
[16:07] <cyphermox> yep, from Ubuntu-Quebec
[16:07] <jcastro> ok, so the reason we are doing these sessions
[16:07] <jcastro> is to give people some best practice knowledge on how to run jams, and share good ideas
[16:07] <jcastro> and tell you what NOT to do, heh
[16:07] <jcastro> ok, so in October we are having what we call the Ubuntu Global Jam
[16:07] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
[16:08] <jcastro> we do one of these per cycle
[16:08] <jcastro> in the past we called them the Ubuntu Global Bug Jam
[16:08] <jcastro> because all we did was bugs, but this year we're going bigger because that's how we roll
[16:08] <jcastro> so the idea is that over a weekend, ubuntu local teams from around the world go do awesome things.
[16:08] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam/Events
[16:09] <jcastro> so right now locos are signing up to do bug jams, installfests, translation jams, whatever your team feels they can contribute to the most.
[16:09] <jcastro> the fundamental thing to remember about jams is that they're ALL about your local team
[16:09] <jcastro> the goal of all these jams is for your loco team to get together and have a good time.
[16:10] <jcastro> when you start off with a jam some locos get bent around the axle on details
[16:10] <jcastro> like "we only triaged X amount of bugs, we failed!"
[16:10] <jcastro> don't think of it that way
[16:10] <jcastro> the coordinated work around the world is great and helps ubuntu tremendously, but getting your loco together and forming those bonds is the key there
[16:11] <jcastro> our first jam was pretty much a disaster
[16:11] <jcastro> by the time you do a few they will be second-hand
[16:11] <jcastro> so don't worry too much if you have a bug jam and you don't get through alot of bugs or something
[16:11] <jcastro> the main key is to develop your local team
[16:11] <jcastro> any questions so far?
[16:12] <jcastro> ok
[16:12] <jcastro> So, we happen to have a place where we write down all the good practices on running jams:
[16:12] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams
[16:12] <jcastro> The most annoying bit is figuring out a venue
[16:12] <jcastro> this can be difficult or easy, depending on where you live
[16:13] <jcastro> usually what we do is assign one person to deal with a venue
[16:13] <jcastro> and then they call around or whatever
[16:13] <jcastro> one thing to remember is the audience of your loco
[16:13] <jcastro> so for example if you have a bunch of teenagers who want to help you wouldn't want to have your jam in a pub where they can't get in. :D
[16:14] <jcastro> power and internet access is pretty important as well
[16:14] <jcastro> In our loco we find that having a projector is useful
[16:14] <jcastro> if someone in the jam "gets stuck" on something we put it up on the projector
[16:14] <jcastro> and then the group discusses how they would triage that bug
[16:14] <jcastro> or work on that piece of code
[16:14] <jcastro> or whatever
[16:15] <jcastro> so if you have access to a projector that helps people collaborate
[16:15] <jcastro> it also encourages people to discuss things out loud instead of migrating to their little groups and sticking their heads in a laptop for hours without talking to people.
[16:15] <jorgevazq> how suitable would it be to have the jam in a university?
[16:15] <jcastro> universities are perfect
[16:15] <jcastro> for a couple of reasons
[16:16] <jcastro> first off, they have a bunch of students and student organizations
[16:16] <jorgevazq> they also have good internet connections
[16:16] <jorgevazq> and projectors
[16:16] <jcastro> when we did installfests here we got with the local computer science department at the university
[16:16] <jcastro> and they lent us routers, switches, cables, all sorts of stuff
[16:16] <jcastro> the dean even stopped by!
[16:17] <jcastro> students are always motivated (more than us old people), so I encourage you to definatly take advantage of hosting at a university
[16:17] <jcastro> you can even sometimes have interested professors stopping by
[16:17] <jcastro> which is nice because you can tell them about linux and open source, and hopefully get them interested
[16:18] <jcastro> if they get interested they will want more information, so your loco can help them with that
[16:18] <Bram> (projector == bug manager ?)
[16:18] <jcastro> Bram: what do you mean?
[16:18] <Bram> 17:14  <jcastro> In our loco we find that having a projector is useful
[16:18] <jcastro> yeah
[16:18] <jcastro> so what we do, is we break up into teams
[16:18] <jcastro> and start triaging bugs
[16:18] <jcastro> (we do bug jams)
[16:18] <jcastro> and then when someone gets stuck
[16:18] <jcastro> we put the bug on the projector
[16:19] <jcastro> and then we all talk about how we should triage it
[16:19] <jcastro> and usually a more experienced person will say "we should mark this bug as confirmed" (or whatever)
[16:19] <jcastro> then people agree and/or discuss
[16:19] <jcastro> then we go back to our bug lists.
[16:19] <jcastro> we use it as a "I need help from the group" type thing
[16:20] <jcastro> you can also use it to put your todo list up there
[16:20] <jcastro> or use a whiteboard if available, etc.
[16:20] <jcastro> Any other questions on venue or equipment?
[16:21] <jorgevazq> yes, I do have a question:
[16:21] <jcastro> Ok, the next step is promoting your event
[16:21] <jcastro> this is where you get alot of bang for the buck
[16:21] <jcastro> you want to post to local lists
[16:21] <jcastro> so here, we try to promote it to local lugs, local python and java groups, and other techie groups in the area
[16:22] <jcastro> putting up posters at universities has also been useful for us.
[16:22] <jcastro> some of the larger locos like France have signs and all sorts of goodies already premade and ready to be modified
[16:22] <jcastro> you can post on loco-contacts to ask around for resources other local teams have made
[16:22] <jcastro> there are a ton of things on the wiki you can remix and reuse to make nice looking posters if you want
[16:23] <jcastro> also blogging about it, getting it on the ubuntu weekly news, things like that always help
[16:23] <jcastro> and don't forget mentioning it on the forums!
[16:23] <jcastro> one useful place I've seen people have good success with is their local computer store
[16:24] <jcastro> usually you can put off a little sheet with your list address or something and stick it on the bulletin board.
[16:24] <jcastro> this is a good random way of getting people interested in open source in general.
[16:24] <jcastro> sometimes we try to have a jam and random new people just show up
[16:25] <jcastro> which we don't plan for but when it happens you should look at it as a good opportunity to educate them about ubuntu, give them a CD, and answer questions
[16:25] <jcastro> even if they're only vaguely interesting at the minimum when they go home they will say "wow, what a nice bunch of people" :)
[16:25] <Bram> having beers works to :p
[16:26] <jcastro> When it comes to the jam itself really the only way to learn it is to do it
[16:26] <jcastro> yes, beer helps!
[16:26] <jcastro> we coordinate with other locos during the jam to see what's going on
[16:26] <jcastro> in fact last year the guys from chicago called us to see how we were doing.
[16:26] <jcastro> and we shared some tips over the phone
[16:27] <jcastro> absolutely do not be afraid to ask other, more established locos for help and guidance.
[16:27] <fetova> annoted xD
[16:27] <jcastro> We added docs jams this time too
[16:27] <jcastro> so an easy one to get started with would be to ask around what people are interested in when they get there
[16:27] <jcastro> and then maybe go to the wiki page of that thing
[16:27] <jcastro> and collectively fix it
[16:28] <jcastro> a great tool to use for this is gobby
[16:28] <jcastro> which is a collaborative text editor
[16:28] <jcastro> you can grab the wiki page, everyone can work on different parts at the same time, and then one person can just upload it
[16:28] <jcastro> or you can grab a bunch of wiki pages
[16:28] <jcastro> and assign them to teams or whatever
[16:29] <jcastro> I like to try to assign people into little teams
[16:29] <jcastro> usually like, an experienced person with a new person
[16:29] <jcastro> so that they can learn from each other
[16:29] <jcastro> that way, by the time the next jam starts, you'll have 2 experienced people. :D
[16:29] <jcastro> but you can organize however you want
[16:29] <jcastro> some people just want to show up and they already have a list of things to work on
[16:29] <jcastro> so just let them do their thing
[16:29] <jcastro> some people want more detailed tutorials on how to do stuff
[16:30] <jcastro> that's fine too
[16:30] <jcastro> as long as your group feels it's doing something valuable then anything goes.
[16:30] <jcastro> sometimes we've had plans and new people show up and we end up just spending the whole time telling new people how to report a bug or something.
[16:31] <jcastro> and that's ok.
[16:31] <jcastro> so while your jam is running it's important to talk to the rest of the world
[16:31] <jcastro> we have people in irc saying hi to each other and talking about what they are working on
[16:31] <jorgevazq> you mean, other locos??
[16:31] <jcastro> yep
[16:31] <jorgevazq> :)
[16:31] <jcastro> this is where the whole "Global" thing comes in
[16:31] <jcastro> actually, putting the global channel on the projector would be fun too
[16:32] <jcastro> it makes you feel like the entire planet is working on ubuntu at the same time
[16:32] <jcastro> but it's also good for coordinating work
[16:32] <jcastro> one group might say "hey, over here in michigan-us we are working on amarok bugs, anyone want to help out?" or whatever
[16:32] <jcastro> you can also have friendly competitions as well
[16:33] <jcastro> which I think all the germans do, heh
[16:33] <jcastro> while the event is happening you should be telling the world about it
[16:33] <jcastro> and taking pictures and everything.
[16:33] <jcastro> one thing we learned was that by taking pictures of everyone having a good time this helps you next time when you are working on planning it
[16:34] <jcastro> because people see the pictures and say "wow, I should have gone, I will go to the next one, look at all those beers!"
[16:34] <jorgevazq> besides, it's good for the posters
[16:34] <jcastro> and of course we encourage you to put them on posters, etc.
[16:34] <jcastro> yep!
[16:34] <jcastro> and on your wiki as well
[16:34] <jcastro> we like to showcase the diversity of our local teams, so the more pictures you put up, the cooler the posters and presentations look. :D
[16:35] <jcastro> this helps build up buzz and excitement
[16:35] <jcastro> ok, so let's talk about some things to avoid
[16:35] <jcastro> first off, it's important that your venue stuff is squared away
[16:35] <jcastro> having 50 geeks show up to a pub with no internet is a buzzkill
[16:36] <jcastro> or someone forgets to make a reservation or whatever.
[16:36] <jcastro> also you should pick a location that is open and is agreeable to most people
[16:37] <jcastro> when I planned our first release party for ubuntu here in 2005, I did it in a bar and there were a bunch of people smoking
[16:37] <jcastro> and people who were nonsmokers were choking to death
[16:37] <jcastro> so just something to think about
[16:37] <jcastro> (now we try to have them outside, heh)
[16:37] <jcastro> also you should ensure that you're not leaving people out because they might not be experienced with ubuntu
[16:38] <jcastro> "sorry you can't participate this is for developers only" or whatever wouldn't be right
[16:38] <jcastro> but you all know that, that's common sense. :D
[16:38] <jcastro> any other bad ideas?
[16:39] <jcastro> oh
[16:39] <jcastro> you should definately do a team report at the end
[16:39] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports
[16:39] <jcastro> basically you just fire off a mail
[16:39] <jcastro> telling us how many people showed up
[16:39] <jcastro> and what you learned, links to pictures, whatever
[16:40] <jcastro> this helps us see how well the event is running and things we need to fix in our planning
[16:40] <jcastro> it also helps us be able to map out resources better
[16:40] <jcastro> so for example if it's like "we tried to have a bug jam in mexico but jorge never told me how to get started" would be a good one. :D
[16:41] <fetova> xD
[16:41] <jcastro> it also helps us link up locos to each other
[16:41] <jorgevazq> xD
[16:41] <jcastro> so for example if you had a doc jam and it went ok, maybe next time we can ask a doc team member to join you on irc to give you tips, things like that
[16:41] <jcastro> any questions? That pretty much covers it.
[16:42] <fetova> sweet :D
[16:42] <jorgevazq> hey, I have a question
[16:42] <jcastro> of course, when you get good ideas, feel free to add them to the wiki
[16:42] <jcastro> jorgevazq: shoot!
[16:42] <jorgevazq> here in Mexico we have been thinking about streaming parts of the jam
[16:42] <jcastro> oh
[16:43] <jcastro> that is a good idea!
[16:43] <jorgevazq> since we can't all move to mexico city
[16:43] <Bram> stupid question: have you ever tried to make a jam on irc ?
[16:43] <jcastro> if you have the bandwidth to do that, that would be great
[16:43] <jorgevazq> cool =)
[16:43] <jcastro> Bram: for people that don't have locos they participate in irc
[16:43] <jorgevazq> Bram: but IRC is less... personal
[16:43] <jcastro> Bram: in fact the Club Ubuntu virtual loco is one of the larger participants
[16:43] <jorgevazq> and the purpose of jams is to unite the LoCos
[16:44] <jcastro> Bram: what we do here since the jam is all weekend is also jam on irc before and after the actual event
[16:44] <jorgevazq> that's a good idea
[16:44] <jcastro> also
[16:44] <jcastro> it's a good idea to tell people things on irc before the event
[16:44] <jcastro> like "I will need help learning how to do foo and bar"
[16:45] <cyphermox> ah question: I'm assuming not all LoCos have events running all through the weekend, correct?
[16:45] <jcastro> no
[16:45] <jcastro> the weekend is there just so locos can be flexible to plan stuff
[16:45] <jcastro> you don't need to have a 48 hour jam
[16:45] <jcastro> heh
[16:45] <jcastro> also, you don't even need to do it on that weekend.
[16:45] <jcastro> this is just a timed event
[16:45] <jcastro> your loco can jam whenever you want
[16:46] <jcastro> do it as many times as you want in a cycle, whatever works for you
[16:46] <jcastro> you can also have targetted jams too
[16:46] <jcastro> like, "hey guys, it's 5 weeks until release, anyone wanna jam and triage some bugs?"
[16:46] <jorgevazq> :O
[16:46] <jorgevazq> (didn't know that)
[16:46] <ziroday> how long do the jams normally last for, what times do you find best to run them?
[16:47] <jcastro> ours are about 3 hours?
[16:47] <jcastro> we do them in the afternoon so we can go to dinner after
[16:47] <jcastro> they don't all have to be boring and stuff either
[16:47] <jcastro> have a picnic, or relax too
[16:48] <jcastro> jorgevazq: we have totally social jams too, but most people just call those normal loco meetings.
[16:48] <jcastro> oooh oohh, for pictures
[16:48] <jcastro> normal pictures of people are fine
[16:48] <jcastro> but try to have a group picture
[16:48] <jorgevazq> hoho, so they don't have to look like they're hacking a bank
[16:48] <jcastro> because we put a bunch of those together to make mashups and stuff
[16:49] <jorgevazq> just people javing  fun
[16:49] <jcastro> no, you can also have good jams without computers
[16:49] <jcastro> you can tutorials, lightning talks, remember, the purpose of the jam is to improve your local team
[16:49] <jcastro> so if you want to have a 5 hour session on how to use the gimp or something, then rock on with that.
[16:50] <jorgevazq> can we try other crazy stuff, like translating ubuntu to Mexican-Spanish??
[16:50] <jcastro> yep
[16:50] <jorgevazq> sweet
[16:51] <jcastro> if you look on the events list you can do "Translations Jams"
[16:51] <jcastro> in fact, those are new, I don't think anyone has done that yet
[16:51] <jcastro> that would be a cool way to break some new ground
[16:51] <jcastro> any other questions before I wrap up?
[16:54] <jcastro> ok well I hope you found this session informative
[16:54] <jcastro> I certainly had a good time!
[16:54] <jcastro> as always, please feel free to post to the loco list if you have questions
[16:54] <jcastro> or feel free to mail me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>if you need help
[16:54] <jorgevazq> which loco are you from?
[16:54] <jcastro> I am from michigan
[16:54] <jcastro> in the us.
[16:54] <jorgevazq> cool... greetings from mexico
[16:55] <jcastro> I am hoping to go to mexico for vacation!
[16:55] <Bram> jcastro: thanks for this session o/
[16:55] <stefanlsd> jcastro: we just finished running a packagejam today in south africa. 11 people :)
[16:55] <jcastro> stefanlsd: that's great!
[16:55] <jcastro> stefanlsd: hey you do the gears PPA right?
[16:56] <stefanlsd> jcastro: yeah
[16:56] <jcastro> hero.
[16:56] <jcastro> I am running it with mozilla prism so I have a nice offline gmail thing on my laptop
[16:56] <jcastro> it's totally great
[16:56] <stefanlsd> i'd be happier if i could actually get it through revu.   ^ awesome!
[16:56] <jcastro> ok, I am going to go have lunch, everyone have a great weekend!
[16:56] <fetova> lol
[16:56] <fetova> would be a nice idea
[16:56] <jcastro> stefanlsd: yeah I have been trying to find a gears upstream to help us with that license thing
[16:56] <fetova> same to you :D
[16:56] <jcastro> stefanlsd: I will find you on monday and we can talk!
[16:57] <jcastro> cheers everyone!
[16:57] <jorgevazq> see you later
[16:57] <jorgevazq> =)
[16:57] <stefanlsd> jcastro: kk. thanks.  cheers :)
[16:57] <jorgevazq> we'll be in touch... i hope
[18:55] <ntovar> La primera charla de la tarde "Dale el efecto wow a tu escritorio"
[18:56] <ntovar> Laura Delgado comienza cambiando el fondo del escritorio


[19:23] <mgedmin> so, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1319897
[19:23] <mgedmin> is a private bug and nobody can see it
[19:23] <mgedmin> what's the process for making it public?
[19:24] <mgedmin> I'd like to forward it upstream
[19:24] <mgedmin> it's similar to https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727457 but the symptom and stack trace are a bit different (SIGABRT vs SIGSEGV)
[19:31]  * mgedmin wonders about darkxst's native timezone
[20:15] <mgedmin> ok, my bug is fixed upstream yay
[20:16] <mgedmin> I'd like to backport the fix
[20:37] <mgedmin> looks like my backport works
[20:37] <mgedmin> attached a debdiff to the bug
[22:13] <darkxst> mgedmin, +10 here
[22:14] <darkxst> mgedmin, looks like both that patches in already included in 3.12.2


[04:38] <barrydk> More almal
[05:36] <Kilos> hi barrydk  mazal  inetpro  and others
[05:37] <mazal> More oom
[06:13] <Kilos> here is something for the python peeps https://bugs.python.org/issue23275
[06:27] <inetpro> good mornings everyone
[06:27] <Kilos> morning inetpro
[06:30] <mciverza> Morning Kilos, inetpro
[06:30] <Kilos> hi mciverza  nice to see you here so early
[06:30] <inetpro> hi Kilos
[06:30] <inetpro> oh and hi mciverza
[06:31] <mciverza> Thanks Kilos, I'm running around trying to sort out a domain registration where the DNS servers and original mail account by which the domain was registered no longer exist.
[06:31] <Kilos> oh my, how can things just no longer exist
[06:31] <Kilos> non payment?
[06:33] <mciverza> nope. I registered a .nom.za domain when I worked for a company.... and I used my company email address to register it.  That email address no longer exists, and neither do the DNS servers used in the registration.
[06:34] <Kilos> oh my
[06:34] <mciverza> lolz.
[06:34] <Kilos> good luck
[06:35] <mciverza> thanks, going to lurk.
[06:35] <Kilos> ok
[06:36] <mciverza> Kilos, regarding last night's "at" discussion.
[06:36] <Kilos> oh yes
[06:36] <mciverza> at 00:10 screen -d 'apt-get upgrade -y'
[06:37] <Kilos> wow cool ty
[06:37] <mciverza> would allow you to reconnect and see what apt is doing if you needed to.
[06:37] <mciverza> coz I often have connectivity issues, I usually do apt-get -dy upgrade && apt-get upgrade
[06:37] <mciverza> so that it downloads all the packages, and if that is successful, it runs the actual upgrade.
[06:38] <inetpro> mciverza: oh wow, I like your solution
[06:38] <Kilos> great ty, i sat up and upgraded as usual
[06:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> nobody's heard up unattended-upgrades then i guess?
[06:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> *"heard of" :-o
[06:39] <inetpro> haha, hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo :)
[06:40] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  i upgrade only when i have night surfer data, so sometimes weeks with no upgrading
[06:40] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: I guess it's about time that we just trust update to not break anything :-)
[06:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh right
[06:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> inetpro: we run unattended-upgrades, that ought to speak to its stability somewhat
[06:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> thousands of servers that update most things seamlessly every day
[06:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> there's a few things that don't auto-update
[06:42] <inetpro> there's a few things that require intervention
[06:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> but for a desktop, no reason to bother with package filtering
[06:42] <inetpro> yes, desktop should be fine in most cases
[06:43] <Kilos> inetpro  zerlgi is back
[06:43] <inetpro> Kilos: ?
[06:43] <Kilos> just trhese nick changes get me confussed
[06:43] <Kilos> oh my have i got it wrong
[06:44] <Kilos> isnt mciverza  zerlgi
[06:46] <andrewlsd> kilos, yes. that is correct
[06:46] <Kilos> see
[06:46] <Kilos> inetpro  ^^
[06:46] <Kilos> sjoe maak my kop draai
[06:51] <mazal> " I usually do apt-get -dy upgrade && apt-get upgrade " Musn't the first one be update instead of upgrade ? Or am I missing something ?
[06:53] <Kilos> would be nice if one could setup synaptic to upgrade at 0.05
[06:54] <mazal> My biggest problem is with loadshedding I don't want to leave my equipment on
[06:54] <Kilos> after 10pm its normally safe
[06:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: you can make a cron job that runs the apt commands you need for upgrading
[06:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> trying to schedule GUI tools..... let me not comment rather :-p
[06:57] <Kilos> lol i looked at that ThatGraemeGuy  , i think using at is easier for me
[06:58]  * ThatGraemeGuy sighs incredibly deeply
[06:58] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: bite your tongue :-)
[06:58] <Kilos> lol
[06:59] <mazal> cron is easier for me that at
[06:59] <magespawn> good morning
[06:59] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[06:59] <mazal> than*
[06:59] <mazal> Morning magespawn
[07:00] <inetpro> Kilos: maybe you just need to do a little more homework
[07:00] <inetpro> and please don't even mention synaptic
[07:01] <Kilos> nono man too much, i have got a hackergotchi now i gotta put that on the blog, and planet somehow
[07:01] <mazal> I now did that sudo apt-get -dy update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:02] <mazal> But it stood still on the "yes" prompt
[07:02] <mazal> Do I short a -y somewhere ?
[07:02] <Kilos> synaptic is an efficient tool for beginners and can fix broken packages and do all upgrades
[07:02] <inetpro> mazal: man apt-get
[07:03] <Kilos> ai!
[07:03] <andrewlsd> apt-get -dy **upgrade**
[07:03] <inetpro> and man bash
[07:03] <mazal> Must both be upgrade ?
[07:03] <andrewlsd> (not meaning to shout, just emphasize)
[07:04] <mazal> I don't understand why both must be upgrade ? Why musn't an update run first ?
[07:06] <superfly> mazal: you've got it the wrong way round
[07:06] <superfly> mazal: the -y should be on upgrade, not update
[07:07] <Kilos> morning superfly
[07:07] <andrewlsd> yeah, the point of the "apt-get -dy upgrade && apt-get upgrade"
[07:07] <andrewlsd> was to download the packages (which is what -dy will do) and only then run the actual upgrade
[07:07] <andrewlsd> as opposed to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[07:08] <andrewlsd> which will refresh the package list and then run the upgrade.
[07:08] <mazal> So there should actually be 3 commands
[07:08] <andrewlsd> mazal, yes
[07:08] <andrewlsd> either way, probably "unattended-upgrade" is more useful.
[07:10] <mazal> So I would put for example "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -dy upgrade && sudo apt-get upgrade"
[07:16] <mazal> How do one get past the prompt for sudo password if you were to put unattended upgrades in a cron script ?
[07:20] <TinuvaMac> add it to the root cron and not to the user cron, then sudo is not needed inside the script
[07:21] <TinuvaMac> alternative, is to edit the sudo config and configue the commands in the script to not require password when sudo is used on those specific commands
[07:21] <TinuvaMac> but root cron is easier
[07:22] <magespawn> are there any security risks with running cron scripts as root?
[07:23] <TinuvaMac> only if you dont know what the script does
[07:23] <TinuvaMac> or if the script reads data from files that any user can edit
[07:27] <mazal> k thanx
[07:29] <andrewlsd> +1 TinuvaMac
[07:31] <Kilos> Maaz  andrewlsd  ++
[07:31] <Kilos> Maaz  TinuvaMac  ++
[07:31] <magespawn> thanks for the lesson
[07:32] <Kilos> they clever these peeps hey magespawn
[07:32] <Kilos> you think im on this channel for the coffee
[07:37] <pieter2627> morning all
[07:37] <Kilos> hi pieter2627
[07:40] <Kilos> haha got me a gotchi and you can see i got my winter wool on face
[07:40] <Kilos> http://kilosubuntu.blogspot.com
[07:42] <mazal> Nice oom ;)
[07:45] <Kilos> sien jy daai prent
[07:45] <Kilos> dis wat hulle n hackergotchi noem
[07:45] <Kilos> dunno why
[07:48] <Kilos> ai! http://is.gd/B9DpnR
[08:02] <Kilos> hi MaNI
[08:03] <MaNI> hi
[08:27] <magespawn> Kilos: maybe put links to various ubuntu sites etc with that blog post
[08:40] <georgelappies> hi all
[08:40] <georgelappies> hi Kilos
[08:43] <Kilos> hi georgelappies
[08:43] <georgelappies> how are you doing today?
[08:43] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[08:43] <georgelappies> good thanks
[09:50] <nlsthzn> alo
[09:50] <magespawn> o?
[09:50] <magespawn> o/
[09:50] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn  hows you lad?
[09:50] <nlsthzn> uncle Kilos ... send me your article / blog link pls
[09:50] <Kilos> the new one nlsthzn  ?
[09:50] <nlsthzn> fine thanks uncle Kilos ... going to get info
[09:50] <nlsthzn> sorry
[09:50] <nlsthzn> premature enter
[09:50] <Kilos> Maaz  kilos.newblog
[09:50] <nlsthzn> lol
[09:50] <Maaz> http://kilosubuntu.blogspot.com
[09:51] <nlsthzn> thanks
[09:51] <Kilos> ok
[09:51] <nlsthzn> want to reblog it and makek it hit planet.ubuntu.com
[09:51] <Kilos> aha ty for that
[09:51] <nlsthzn> hope all well here?
[09:51] <Kilos> yeah we all going strong as always
[09:51] <nlsthzn> k cool
[10:00] <nlsthzn> my blog is falling apart due to neglect
[10:00] <nlsthzn> can't even figure out how to insert an image anymore either >.<
[10:00] <Kilos> lol ya thats what happens
[10:01] <Kilos> i started replacing my old one but didnt get very far either
[10:03] <nlsthzn> crap
[10:04] <Kilos> lol what did you break
[10:04] <nlsthzn> submitted but forget to tag as planet ubuntu
[10:04] <Kilos> haha
[10:04] <nlsthzn> now edited but not sure it will show up
[10:04] <nlsthzn> will have to see
[10:04] <Kilos> hi gremble
[10:11] <gremble> Good afternoon
[10:11] <gremble> How is everyone doing?
[10:11] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[10:11] <gremble> Well thank you
[10:11] <Kilos> you forgot to do something i think
[10:12] <Kilos> was mention in last nights meeting
[10:25] <Kilos> why do peeps tweet stuff that makes one hungry
[10:25] <Kilos> http://is.gd/K6KYjC
[10:33] <gremble> I forgot to do something?
[10:33] <gremble> I don't think so. I did offer my help with SFD that was perhaps mentioned last night
[10:34] <gremble> Where can I find the minutes?
[10:37] <gremble> Oh tuksLUG
[10:38] <Kilos> i just remembered someone said you were going to do something
[10:38] <gremble> Yes, looked at the minutes now
[10:38] <nlsthzn> phew major rukkus between the ubuntu comunity council and the kubuntu council
[10:38] <nlsthzn> this is going to get ugly
[10:38] <gremble> How so nlsthzn ?
[10:38] <nlsthzn> well it is already actually
[10:38] <Kilos> very ugly
[10:39] <gremble> Share the gossip
[10:39] <nlsthzn> planet.ubuntu.com
[10:39] <nlsthzn> you will see the posts
[10:39] <nlsthzn> hey it already has its own hashtag
[10:39] <nlsthzn> #wiunning
[10:39] <nlsthzn> #winning
[10:39] <Kilos> its been going for weeks in the lists
[10:39] <nlsthzn> :p
[10:40] <Kilos> shame man
[10:40] <nlsthzn> I am still reading and personally I am getting pretty pissed off about the whole thing
[10:40] <nlsthzn> this will be the second council I believe is dysfunctinal
[10:41] <Kilos> lots to read to get up to scratch with the whole episode
[10:41] <nlsthzn> yup
[10:41] <nlsthzn> but going on the initial actions... not good
[10:42] <nlsthzn> there are ways of doing things
[10:42] <Kilos> sad though
[10:43] <Kilos> hopefully they sort their differences
[10:43] <Kilos> i love kubuntu
[10:43] <nlsthzn> hopefully
[10:44] <Kilos> maybe peeps are just a bit hot tempered
[10:45] <nlsthzn> nope
[10:46] <nlsthzn> enough bull and people react
[10:49] <nlsthzn> DalekSec, i c u
[10:52] <drazoro> Greetings
[10:52] <Kilos> hi drazoro
[10:52] <magespawn> hi drazoro
[10:54] <drazoro> Hi Kilos, Hi magespawn
[10:55] <gremble> That is a very demonstrative reason why I don't want to get involved in anything
[10:55] <gremble> haha
[10:56] <Kilos> haha
[10:56] <Kilos> we dont fight here man
[10:56] <gremble> Trixar or something who is here already hates me :P
[10:56] <gremble> So no thank you
[10:57] <Kilos> he isnt here often
[10:57] <magespawn> gremble: the key is to remove the ego from the equation, if you can do that and others can too, then you are sorted
[10:57] <gremble> ^ if you can show me a group of people that can do that, I will have found the people I want to be the next world leaders
[10:58] <Kilos> instead of peeps hashing about problems its way better to hash about solutions
[10:59] <Kilos> uh oh kenya server crashed again
[10:59] <magespawn> gremble: true
[11:00] <magespawn> only those who do not want to be the leaders should get the job, bit like the president of the galaxy
[11:00] <gremble> ^
[11:01] <gremble> I was just about to say that
[11:01] <magespawn> hah
[11:01] <gremble> Well, the president of the galaxy bit was all yours :P
[11:01] <Kilos> haha
[11:01] <magespawn> any recommendations for a linux rdp client?
[11:04] <magespawn> gremble unfortunately not, hitchhikers guide to the galaxy
[11:05] <Kilos> i go eat
[11:05] <Kilos> Maaz  watch them
[11:05] <Maaz> oh Kilos I will watch them no problem, but you better be back soon!
[11:05] <Kilos> Maaz  botsnack
[11:05] <Maaz> YAY someone cares about me too!
[11:06] <gremble> magespawn: Exclusive books has a Barnes n Noble leatherbound hardcover version of the compilation of books D:
[11:06] <gremble> Being poor saddens me
[11:06] <gremble> xD
[11:06] <magespawn> i think is saddens most people
[11:08] <nlsthzn> I would rather be rich and unhappy than poor and unhappy
[11:08] <gremble> This is probably true. Most people want all kinds of expensive things like clothes, shoes, food, etc. I just want books
[11:09] <gremble> Contrary to popular belief though, it is not more comfortanle to cry in a lamborgini than an uno
[11:10] <gremble> Study for Differential Equations or write a scheme interpreter.... choices
[11:11] <nlsthzn> study
[11:11] <gremble> Yeeees. I have been. I am on qualitative analysis. So most of it is done
[11:11] <gremble> But I should probably go
[11:11] <gremble> Cheers
[11:17] <nlsthzn> check http://planet.ubuntu.com/  now uncle kilos, post is up
[11:25] <Kilos> will look nlsthzn
[11:26] <Kilos> haha you must make a hackergotchi
[11:45] <nlsthzn> I thought my avatar was OK :p
[11:46] <Kilos> ya man mine was also but knowing many peeps gets on inundated with advice
[11:46] <Kilos> i had to ask tara do do it for me
[11:47] <Kilos> and the cheeky thing tells me , there i even smoothed out you crazy einstean hair
[11:47] <Kilos> einstein
[11:48] <nlsthzn> :)
[11:48] <mazal> lol
[11:49] <nlsthzn> if I start faffing around now I won't stop for the next few days and get nothing else done
[11:49] <Kilos> ll
[11:49] <Kilos> lol
[11:54] <Kilos> hi CuttingEdge
[11:54] <CuttingEdge> Kilos: greetings
[12:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> lo
[12:31] <arnaudmez> Hi Kilos
[12:31] <arnaudmez> Hi superfly
[12:31] <arnaudmez> Hi inetpro
[12:31] <Kilos> hi arnaudmez
[12:32] <arnaudmez> I broken nothing dear
[12:32] <arnaudmez> :D
[12:32] <Kilos> hahaha
[12:32] <Kilos> good stuff
[12:32] <arnaudmez> Asking what's good on this channel
[12:32] <Kilos> everything
[12:33] <arnaudmez> Who is the RedHat guy around ?
[12:33] <Kilos> oh Squirm
[12:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> /join #redhat
[12:33] <Kilos> he has been quiet today, must be busy
[12:33] <arnaudmez> Whosh too mch geek there
[12:35] <arnaudmez> In fact I like to share Kubuntu with Kilos but I'm more general Linux if you see ThatGraemeGuy
[12:35] <Kilos> lol
[12:35] <arnaudmez> when i say general Linux this exclude the tar.gz things
[12:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> eh?
[12:41] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice evening , God bless
[12:41] <Kilos> you too mazal
[12:42] <Kilos> ty
[12:42] <arnaudmez> bye mazal
[12:44] <Kilos> arnaudmez  /j #ubuntu-africa
[12:44] <Kilos> there are some redhat guys there i think
[12:45] <Squirm> Hi
[12:45] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[12:45] <Kilos> arnaudmez  ask quick
[12:46] <Squirm> Heh
[12:46] <Kilos> lol
[12:46] <arnaudmez> Kilos: quick what ???
[12:46] <Kilos> for redhat knowlege man
[12:47] <Kilos> what is the problem
[12:48] <arnaudmez> Kilos: Okay I will jump there and ask !
[12:48] <arnaudmez> :D Kilos
[12:48] <Kilos> lol squirm isnt there man
[12:48] <Kilos> ai!
[12:48] <arnaudmez> Cool
[12:49] <Kilos> just ask here what you need help with
[12:49] <arnaudmez> Squirm: are you the man who does RPM here ?
[12:49] <Squirm> Heh - Haven't used that in a while now
[12:49] <Squirm> What's your problem though?
[12:51] <arnaudmez> okay , I've migrated to the new Fed22 (as i ritually do wit my laptop) and was just looking for advises from a Pro
[12:54]  * Squirm shrugs
[12:54] <Squirm> Can't help you there
[12:54] <Squirm> Other than to say I didn't like Fedora
[12:55] <Squirm> bbl
[12:58] <arnaudmez> Okay
[12:59] <arnaudmez> A question, why it's almost impossible to install two package using differents terminal under linux
[12:59] <Kilos> only one package manager can run at a time
[13:00] <magespawn> you might be able to && the commands though
[13:00] <arnaudmez> the *** is locked...  thing is somewhat problematic
[13:02] <magespawn> i think they have to lock or else you could end up with all sorts of problems
[13:03] <Kilos> inetpro  you must talk to kmf
[13:04] <arnaudmez> magespawn: so impossible to install two packages at the same time when you are a newbie and learning Lnx Terminal
[13:05] <inetpro> Kilos: I've started chatting with him already
[13:05] <inetpro> also created https://trello.com/c/q2nokuRs
[13:05] <Kilos> good man,
[13:06] <inetpro> Kilos: kmf needs volunteers to help him
[13:06] <Kilos> you should have told grembe this morning
[13:06] <Kilos> ill try catch him next time he pops in
[13:06] <Kilos> pieter2627  you keen?
[13:07] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm at work... no time to chat now, sorry
[13:07] <Kilos> np
[13:07] <magespawn> arnaudmez: like i say i think you can && the commands eg sudo apt-get install 'packageone' && apt-get install 'packagetwo'
[13:07] <magespawn> from one terminal
[13:07] <pieter2627> ???
[13:07] <Kilos> nono yum thing mage
[13:08] <magespawn> swop apt-get for yum on fedora
[13:08] <Kilos> pieter2627  kmf needs volunteers to help him  with getting sfd done
[13:08] <pieter2627> magespawn: or 'apt-get install packageone packagetwo...'
[13:08] <arnaudmez> magespawn: that good to read
[13:09] <arnaudmez> magespawn: it's no more yum but dnf
[13:09] <arnaudmez> which i like, it's more flexible and faster
[13:09] <magespawn> arnaudmez: does that also apply to CentOS 6?
[13:10] <pieter2627> Kilos: if he voices what he needs then i can see what i can do
[13:10] <arnaudmez> I don't think so, but you can actuall download dnf and run both together
[13:10]  * pieter2627 wonders what 'keen' was suppose to be
[13:11] <Kilos> ok tonight ill see where we can link you guys up
[13:11] <arnaudmez> You will see more dnf on CentOS 7 and RHEL 7
[13:11] <magespawn> pieter2627: ?
[13:11] <Kilos> he used to be online at floss.pro or something
[13:11] <magespawn> he has a twitter and g+ account
[13:11] <pieter2627> magespawn: yes
[13:11] <Kilos> keen=gewilleg
[13:12] <pieter2627> oh
[13:12] <Kilos> i just remember there were guys said they wanted to help but dont remember who
[13:12] <magespawn> no worries, was in response to your question
[13:12] <Kilos> so grabbing
[13:13]  * pieter2627 did not recognize it as he has never seen it spelt before
[13:13] <Kilos> oh my
[13:13] <Kilos> Maaz  define keen
[13:13] <Maaz> Kilos: Keen \Keen\, v. t. To sharpen; to make cold. [R.] [1913 Webster]  Cold winter keens the brightening flood. --Thomson. [1913 Webster], Keen \Keen\ (k[=e]n), a. [Compar. {Keener} (k[=e]n"[~e]r); superl. {Keenest}.] [OE. kene sharp, bold, AS. c[=e]ne bold; akin to D. koen, OHG. kuoni, G. k["u]hn, OSw. kyn, k["o]n, Icel. k[ae]nn, for k[oe]nn wise; perh. akin to
[13:13] <Maaz> E. ken, can to be able. [root]45.] 1. Sharp; having a fine edge or point; as, a keen razo…
[13:13] <Kilos> ai!
[13:13] <pieter2627> maaz  google define keen
[13:13] <Maaz> pieter2627: "Keen | Define Keen at Dictionary.com" http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/keen :: "Keen | Definition of keen by Merriam-Webster" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/keen :: "keen - definition of keen by The Free Dictionary" http://www.thefreedictionary.com/keen :: "keen - Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com"
[13:13] <Maaz> http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/keen :: "Urban Dictionary: keen" http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=keen…
[13:14] <Kilos> have i got the wrong meaning for keen
[13:15] <Kilos> im sure one say i am keen to get involved
[13:15] <Kilos> of so iets
[13:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> adjective
[13:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> 1.
[13:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> BRITISH
[13:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> having or showing eagerness or enthusiasm.
[13:15] <arnaudmez> brb
[13:15] <Kilos> ty that
[13:15] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  too
[13:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> you're fine, maaz is retarded
[13:15] <Kilos> haha
[13:17] <pieter2627> which is why i used google define - but the 'info box' of google was not inserted
[13:17] <pieter2627> or extracted
[13:17] <magespawn> those are right too, just somewhat archaic
[13:18] <magespawn> Maaz define keen
[13:18] <Maaz> magespawn: Keen \Keen\, v. t. To sharpen; to make cold. [R.] [1913 Webster]  Cold winter keens the brightening flood. --Thomson. [1913 Webster], Keen \Keen\ (k[=e]n), a. [Compar. {Keener} (k[=e]n"[~e]r); superl. {Keenest}.] [OE. kene sharp, bold, AS. c[=e]ne bold; akin to D. koen, OHG. kuoni, G. k["u]hn, OSw. kyn, k["o]n, Icel. k[ae]nn, for k[oe]nn wise; perh. akin
[13:18] <Maaz> to E. ken, can to be able. [root]45.] 1. Sharp; having a fine edge or point; as, a keen …
[13:19] <Kilos> ya you say this blade has a keen edge
[13:19] <magespawn> hmm, needs to have the english dictionary added
[13:21] <magespawn> is port 22935 a registerd port? what uses it?
[13:23] <magespawn> i also thought keening was to make a sharp or loud sound like wailing
[13:23] <magespawn> might be wrong about that though
[13:23] <Kilos> nono sounds familiar
[13:24] <Kilos> that word was in use before ululating
[13:29] <pieter2627> magespawn: according to google define wailing is also correct
[13:30] <Kilos> ya a keen is a cry of anguish methinks
[13:30] <Kilos> not just a little boo hoo
[13:56] <magespawn> chat later all, bye
[13:57] <Kilos> toods magespawn
[15:36] <Kilos> hmm...
[17:01] <DalekSec> nlsthzn: :3
[17:20] <nlsthzn> :p
[17:46] <magespawn> good evening
[17:48] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[17:48] <Kilos> nlsthzn  that blog pulled in a guy from europe to the africa channel
[17:48] <Kilos> good work
[17:49] <nlsthzn> lol
[17:49] <Kilos> hehe
[17:49] <Kilos> a web designer
[17:49] <Kilos> im happy i need clever guys there
[17:49] <nlsthzn> :)
[17:56] <Kilos> hi Tonberry
[18:01] <Tonberry> hi
[18:22] <inetpro> good evening
[18:22]  * inetpro goes to read the backlogs
[18:22] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[18:26] <inetpro> ai! you guys talk too much for me
[18:26] <Kilos> sorry
[18:26]  * inetpro can't keep up
[18:26] <Kilos> oh we need contact links for kmf please so guys can offer help
[18:29] <inetpro> members who want to help should please list themselves at https://trello.com/c/q2nokuRs
[18:29] <inetpro> as a start
[18:29] <Kilos> ok
[18:30] <inetpro> check the SFD Start Guide on that page and Previous Events
[18:32] <Kilos> so far its pieter and gremble that could help i think
[18:34] <inetpro> oh goodness
[18:35] <Kilos> what?
[18:35] <inetpro> gremble don't do trello, or does he?
[18:35] <Kilos> oh no
[18:35] <inetpro> ai! But no worries... we can work with him for sure
[18:35] <Kilos> ill give him the links when he comes on
[18:36] <Kilos> if you remind me
[18:36] <Kilos> hehe
[18:43] <Kilos> hi SDCDev
[18:43] <Kilos> whats up with you guys that miss meetings
[18:44] <SDCDev> hey Kilos
[18:44] <SDCDev> back in Jbay :)
[18:44] <SDCDev> how are you?
[18:44] <SDCDev> :( I flew yesterday :|
[18:44] <SDCDev> last night
[18:44] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[18:44] <SDCDev> dropped my phone in a beer on Monday, so didn't have my hotspot.. just got the freakn thing to work now
[18:45] <Kilos> ok you are forgiuven
[18:45] <Kilos> dont make a habit of flying on meeting nights
[18:45] <Kilos> hehe
[18:45] <Kilos> eish
[18:46] <Kilos> get smaller glasses for your beer so fone cant fit
[18:46] <Kilos> surfing again this weekend hey
[18:57] <Kilos> SDCDev  you can promote ubuntu a bit there too
[18:58] <Kilos> read the meeting logs for what was proposed
[18:58] <SDCDev> lol xD in JBay? :)
[18:58] <SDCDev> kk
[18:58] <Kilos> ya man many peeps go there on holiday
[18:59] <Kilos> show then how you digitally control the waves
[18:59] <SDCDev> hehehe
[19:03] <SDCDev> I'll see what I can do... I dont even have adsl yet O.o
[19:03] <SDCDev> lol
[19:04] <Kilos> just do your best please, no one asks for more
[19:05] <Kilos> if you can convert just one person its one mor
[19:05] <Kilos> more
[19:17] <magespawn> one more for the kilos machine
[19:17] <Kilos> lol
[19:17] <Kilos> every drop counts
[19:18] <SDCDev> :D
[19:20] <Kilos> the whole beach is made up of single grains of sand
[19:20] <magespawn> indeed, so are the pyramids
[19:21] <Kilos> yeah
[19:28] <Kilos> methinks i go sleep guys
[19:28] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:12] <magespawn> bedtime for me too, good night all


[05:00] <oldfart> Hello
[17:49] <asusE200HA> hello there
[17:49] <asusE200HA> i bought few days ago this netbook
[17:49] <asusE200HA> https://www.asus.com/Notebooks/ASUS-Vivobook-E200HA/specifications/
[17:49] <asusE200HA> it has uefi
[17:50] <asusE200HA> so i have problem to boot from usb linux
[17:50] <asusE200HA> but i tried lubuntu and it was ok
[17:50] <asusE200HA> but i haven't sound
[17:50] <asusE200HA> do you know something about it?
[17:50] <wxl> asusE200HA: if you haven't checked alsamixer to make sure everything is unmuted and the volume is up, i'd start with that
[17:51] <asusE200HA> the icon in bot was full
[17:51] <wxl> asusE200HA: alsamixer. in terminal.
[17:51] <asusE200HA> hmm
[17:51] <asusE200HA> i will try
[17:52] <asusE200HA> i found this
[17:52] <asusE200HA> "Unfortunately Intel doesn't support Linux on Cherry Trail Atom SOCs, so this laptop has problems with audio (no sound with the integrated sound card, but works with an external one or via HDMI) and video (no suspension, but you can configure a "pseudo-suspension" that consumes little power, as explained below). "
[17:53] <asusE200HA> bit i hoped for a solution
[17:53] <asusE200HA> but*
[17:53] <wxl> asusE200HA: like i said, try alsamixer.
[17:53] <wxl> asusE200HA: not sure it will work but it's the first place to look.
[17:54] <wxl> asusE200HA: furthermore the fact that Intel does not support it doesn't mean that Linux does support it. there have been many cases of drivers being written that are reverse engineered, in spite of manufacturer support.
[17:57] <asusE200HA> why do you think that only with lubuntu i success to boot it?
[17:57] <asusE200HA> i tried
[17:57] <wxl> asusE200HA: well i don't know which other ones you use but some linux distros support uefi well and some don't.
[17:58] <asusE200HA> ubuntu64, tahrpup64, slacko puppy 64, xenial puppy, fatdog
[17:58] <wxl> asusE200HA: it's surprising to be that ubuntu didn't work. it should be the same.
[17:58] <wxl> asusE200HA: we use the exact same kernel they do.
[17:59] <asusE200HA> i disable security boot and fast boot. but when i press to boot from usb, just starts windows
[17:59] <asusE200HA> only with lubuntu it was normall
[17:59] <asusE200HA> ...
[17:59] <wxl> you can always check with #ubuntu if you want support with that
[17:59] <wxl> as for the other ones, you'll need to check their support channels
[18:00] <asusE200HA> i bought this pc for my studies. it has 32 gb disk. but with windows 10 and updates i haven't memory
[18:02] <asusE200HA> i feel that they try to don't let you instal linux
[18:04] <wxl> asusE200HA: many manufacturers don't really think about linux. it's not that they're trying to NOT let you install it, it's just that they're not worried about making sure you CAN.


[09:02] <alexanderto> hi, anyone around, I'm new here, need answers to some quick questions
[09:03] <alexanderto> I joined Ubuntu just for a few days, I read several links on Ubuntu website and wiki, like UbuntuDevelopers, QuickStart, MOTU, BugSquads etc...
[09:03] <alexanderto> but yet I still have no clue how do I start to contribute by writing code to fix a bug ??
[09:03] <alexanderto> I read the BugSquad link as well and also come to this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags
[09:03] <alexanderto> also tried to visit https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=bitesize
[09:03] <alexanderto> but do I just assign myself to a bug and start digging into it?? how does it work?
[09:04] <alexanderto> if there is a link about "How to start fixing bug", can someone point me to it, I hate to ask but I spent hours and can't seem to find the appropriate links
[09:12] <ersi> alexanderto: Hold on a few seconds and I'll fetch you a nice short article from dholbach
[09:12] <alexanderto> thanks ersi
[09:13] <alexanderto> so am I asking stupid questions here lol
[09:13] <ersi> alexanderto: I think this is the one, I think it exists in different layouts as well possibly, but content should be the same: http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/2011/03/ubuntu-development-guide-fixing-a-bug-in-ubuntu/
[09:13] <ersi> Beside that one, I'd recommend checking out the session logs from Ubuntu Open Weeks and Developer Weeks (IRC sessions on different subjects) - should be up on the wiki somewhere.  Worse case, maybe someone sometime frowns - but new people are always welcome. You might want to hang out in #ubuntu-motu and any specific ubuntu team channels (if you know that you want to contribute to a specific area, like server, desktop or so)
[09:16] <ersi> (This is a ubuntu team channel as well, by the way)
[09:17] <alexanderto> yup, I asked the same questions in all 3 beginners channel lol
[09:17] <ersi> Oh, heh :)
[09:35] <lifeless> mmm, I'm up too late, obviously
[17:45] <SwitchDK> Hello, Would somebody from BugControl please help me with marking a bug Triaged. It is bug 707496
[17:45] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 707496 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "Mounting an external server (FTP) opens a new nautilus window (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/707496
[17:48] <asomething> SwitchDK, done
[17:48] <SwitchDK> asomething: thank you very much
[17:51] <SwitchDK> asomething, would you be able to change the status of bug 876495 as well please. I'm not certain what level of importance it should have
[17:51] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 876495 in network-manager-applet (Ubuntu) "bug on restarting networking service (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/876495
[17:52] <SwitchDK> bug 876495