[06:19] <_Lux> Hi and good morning
[06:53] <elky> and good bye?
[06:54] <elky> we didnt get our goodbye... i feel ripped off now.


[00:08] <clivejo> really not impressed!
[00:08] <clivejo> it was working a month or so ago
 clivejo does dragon player work for you?
[03:44] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: I think it would be good if you decided on a final date for your membership meeting. ;)
[06:16] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: thank you captain obvious :P I was planning on closing the poll and setting later it. was just waiting the weekend out
[07:13] <acheronuk> skipped: kde-runtime (0, 9, 0)
[07:13] <acheronuk>     got: 182+0: a-34:a-20:a-20:i-25:p-20:p-20:s-43
[07:13] <acheronuk>     * amd64: calligra-dbg, kdewebdev-dbg, libkdegames6abi1-dbg, libkipi-dbg, libkmahjongglib4-dbg, libksane-dbg
[07:16] <jimarvan> good morning peeps :)
[07:18] <CRogers> mornin. :)
[07:18] <acheronuk> morning all :D
[07:18]  * acheronuk caffinates
[07:18]  * CRogers does too.
[07:19] <CRogers> acheronuk, what's your method?
[07:20] <acheronuk> a cafetiere with probably more spoons of coffee in it than is really healthy!
[07:31] <CRogers> Nice
[07:31] <CRogers> I've discovered the joys of Nespresso pod coffee.
[07:32] <CRogers> and I load mine up with a custom blend of coco powder and demerara sugar.
[07:32] <jimarvan> hey :D
[07:33] <jimarvan> talking about coffee? :D
[07:33] <CRogers> Yup.
[07:33] <jimarvan> sorry guys I am a tea person
[07:33] <CRogers> Best poison in the world, imho
[07:33] <jimarvan> mountain tea barbarian
[07:33] <CRogers> Nothing wrong with that.
[07:33] <jimarvan> or as it called in greek
[07:33] <jimarvan> Sideritis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sideritis
[07:33] <CRogers> Some of me personal heros drink tea.
[07:33] <jimarvan> (iron tea)
[07:33] <jimarvan> hehe
[07:34] <CRogers> Nice. Sounds very manly.
[07:35] <CRogers> Makes me want to grunt, and spit, and throw leather orbs around.
[07:35] <CRogers> And then spears.
[07:35] <CRogers> lots and lots... of spears.
[07:36] <CRogers> Though I suppose it's just as womanly. Maybe with less spitting.
[07:36] <jimarvan> xD
[07:36] <jimarvan> I think you need a zip of a coffee
[07:37] <CRogers> Or less coffee? lol
[07:37] <CRogers> Do you know Martin?
[07:37] <CRogers> Aka doctormo?
[07:39] <CRogers> Big big tea fan.
[07:39] <CRogers> as you can see from this photo: https://inkscape.org/en/~doctormo/%E2%98%85inkscape-hackfest-2016-group-photo
[07:39] <CRogers> It goes very well with the bowler hat.
[07:40] <CRogers> Coffee would not have the same effect.
[07:40] <jimarvan> hmm
[07:41] <jimarvan> wow
[07:41] <jimarvan> absolutely agree
[07:42] <CRogers> I think, even if you put coffee in his cup, it would be earl grey by the time he lifted to drink it.
[07:44] <CRogers> One thing I like about coffee though, is you get cool machinery to make it.
[10:52] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: lol ok
[10:53] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: tis done now :)
[11:01] <santa_> clivejo: ping
[11:03] <tsimonq2> santa_, clivejo, acheronuk: I'll get whatever CVE work that's left done tonight
[11:04] <santa_> I don't have much time to deal with those, so whatever you do, you have my blessing
[11:04] <tsimonq2> santa_: ok cool :)
[11:14] <acheronuk> santa_: I think clive is a bit busy at the moment. you have a stopgap route to sort calligra?
[11:14] <santa_> acheronuk: yeah, at the same time we speak I'm checking its status to discuss this with the release team
[11:16] <acheronuk> if it's still broken by the end of today, that won't be much change :P
[11:18] <santa_> I don't think so
[11:29] <jimarvan> ΗΕΥΥΥΥ
[11:29] <jimarvan> whasup? :)
[11:30] <jimarvan> how is the release going? :D
[11:30] <tsimonq2> jimarvan: slow but steady
[11:30] <santa_> we will end it in a photo finish fashion
[11:30] <tsimonq2> sitter: ping
[11:31] <tsimonq2> +1 santa_
[11:31] <santa_> not slow really
[11:31] <tsimonq2> well it *was* slow
[11:31] <mparillo> 59 packages to be upgraded from last night: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23302705/
[11:31] <tsimonq2> oooOOOooo
[11:31] <jimarvan> hehe
[11:31] <santa_> nah, given the time you have to spend to fix the issues it wasn't slow at all
[11:31] <jimarvan> :D
[11:32] <jimarvan> omg you gusy are awesome
[11:32] <jimarvan> *guys
[11:32] <jimarvan> and gusy :P
[11:32] <tsimonq2> I saw the pidgin thing go through
[11:32] <santa_> mparillo: that should porvide you the kdepim as in apps 16.04.3
[11:32] <jimarvan> we need to start considering removing amarok
[11:32] <jimarvan> and using vlc instead
[11:32] <jimarvan> since it is support by qt
[11:32] <tsimonq2> then Santa Claus came to town and brought presents :P
[11:32] <jimarvan> have to check KDE if they are including it as a KDE project
[11:32] <jimarvan> I am curious
[11:33] <jimarvan> we need an awesome media player! (although I loved amarok...)
[11:35] <tsimonq2> jimarvan: remind us after release ;0
[11:35] <tsimonq2> *;)
[11:35] <tsimonq2> ok I'm off o/
[11:42] <BluesKaj_> howdy folks
[11:43] <sitter> tsimonq2: sup?
 Help fix KCI? :P
[11:45] <clivejo> it needs the slaves setup again
[11:46] <clivejo> on scaleway and linode
[11:47] <clivejo> sitter, do you know how the custom layout was achieved? ie the blue build button etc
[11:48] <sitter> blue build button?
[11:50] <sitter> ah, probably theme
[11:51] <sitter> clivejo: https://github.com/kevinburke/doony
[11:51] <acheronuk> sitter: when viewing jobs, there used to be a rectangular "Build now" button about there --> http://i.imgur.com/JZRZcNw.png
[11:52] <acheronuk> aha. there we go in that theme :)
[11:53] <acheronuk> clivejo: did you find the keys?
[12:01] <soee> http://www.softpedia.com/blog/microsoft-releases-skype-for-linux-1-10-with-video-call-support-509131.shtml
[12:15] <jimarvan> video call support?
[12:15] <jimarvan> soee: what the hell is going on in microsoft? why do they even bother? LOL
[12:17] <soee> most likely they want some spywere inlinux :D
[12:17] <jimarvan> haha
[12:17] <jimarvan> well I went to download new skype but it is still the old 12.04 version 4.34 something
[12:17] <jimarvan> *ubuntu 12.04
[12:18] <jimarvan> I am hearing rumours about World of Warcraft that they are going to release a linux client soon...
[12:18] <jimarvan> that would be so awesome if they do that
[12:19] <jimarvan> windows is going down! :P
[12:20] <jimarvan> http://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/17612943764
[12:20] <jimarvan> for those gamers interested :D
[12:20] <jimarvan> its a godly time to become a linux developer
[12:23] <soee> i do not play addictive games
[12:23] <soee> they are time and life killers
[12:24] <soee> jimarvan: the valid link https://community.skype.com/t5/Linux/Skype-for-Linux-Alpha-and-calling-on-Chrome-amp-Chromebooks/td-p/4434299
[12:24] <jimarvan> :D
[12:25] <jimarvan> ah ok
[12:25] <jimarvan> thanks soee
[12:38] <clivejo> I believe Philip is the only one can retrieve those keys, he said there might be a copy of them on the slaves
[12:40] <clivejo> tsimonq2: your patch for messagelib
[12:40] <clivejo> Thanks for these. Just a warning that the messagelib patch breaks BIC, so
[12:40] <clivejo> at least mailcommon, kdepim and kdepim-addons need to be rebuilt against
[12:40] <clivejo> the patched messagelib.
[13:01] <jimarvan> god I LOVE Kubuntu
[13:02] <jimarvan> an old Epson photo 950 could not make it work on Windows
[13:02] <jimarvan> told my boss forget about Windows and use it on your Kubuntu laptop. I bet 50 GBP it would work
[13:02] <jimarvan> and it did :P
[13:02] <soee> yuo will love even more when Plasma 5.8 will land in it
[13:02] <jimarvan> woohoo! :D
[13:10] <clivejo> cant see that happening any time soon with the state KCI is in
[13:15] <acheronuk> nope
[13:17] <soee> what happend to kci ?
[13:18] <acheronuk> sitter killed it by accident, wiping /var/lib/jenkins and vital parts of our config
[13:19] <kfunk> lol
[13:19] <acheronuk> kfunk: it may be funny in 6 months :P
[13:26] <acheronuk> soee: at the moment KCI is just sitting there, unable to do anything useful
[13:27] <BluesKaj_> oops!
[13:27] <CRogers> Yea, our company Laser printer came with an Ubuntu test-sheet in it. lol
[13:27] <CRogers> Made me soooo happy. lol
[13:34] <acheronuk> BluesKaj_: yep, but it wasn't 'oops' that popped to my lips when I saw what had happened
[13:36] <BluesKaj_> acheronuk, I suppose not, but i was just making light of a serious ¨thing"
[13:36] <clivejo> nor mine
[13:37] <mamarley> Lots of curse words? :p
[13:39] <acheronuk> more than I can count
[13:40] <mamarley> Yeah, that sucks.  I hope you are able to get it back up and running again.  Taking a backup might also be a good idea.
[13:42]  * acheronuk wanders off to find a handy brick wall to bash head on
[13:44] <BluesKaj_> Ive made mistakes serious enough to take a time out for a day or 2 to settle myself ....familiar with the frustration
[13:45] <BluesKaj_> thankfully i have other diversions
[14:01] <clivejo> maybe take a few days off, until Friday ?
[14:06] <acheronuk> me? I'm just having a random grumpy moment :P
 clivejo: huh?
[16:17] <acheronuk> hehe. new kernel going in just before they spin the isos.
 Holy Jesus
 Why do they do that?!?
 Looks like the kernel team is having a testing party? :P
[16:22] <santa_> "He who is without sin can cast the first stone"
[16:22] <santa_> we are pushing our stuff in the last moment too (unfortunately)
[16:29] <acheronuk> true. but that will only bork our iso if it goes wrong.
[16:33] <blaze> I'm using 4.8 for more than a week somehow, proposed not enabled
[16:34] <blaze> still wondering how this happened
[17:27] <ScottK> clivejo: Need anything uploaded?
 Not sure, bit busy with other stuff today
 no change rebuilds: kjots and zanshin were these done?
[18:00] <acheronuk> clivejo: yes, done
[18:05] <clivejo> ah cool
[18:05] <clivejo> any news on calligra?
 I see a critical bug in Debian...
[18:12] <acheronuk> clivejo: think the plan was to demote the current calligra to proposed so it doesn't mess up the release, and at the same time work on a fixed update that may go in, but may end up being an update after release
[18:13] <acheronuk> santa_: that is the gist, yes? ^^
[18:14] <santa_> yes
[18:14] <santa_> reboot, brb
[18:25] <clivejo> has anyone tested kdeconnect in my PPA?
[18:26] <clivejo> will the real sick_rimmit please stand up
[18:34] <clivejo> acheronuk: do you use KDE Connect?
[18:36] <acheronuk> I have occasionally tried it, but usually give up on it after a short while for being too buggy or a pain
[18:36]  * sick_rimmit stands up
[18:36] <clivejo> ScottK: can I release kdeconnect 1.0.1 as a SRU into xenial?
[18:36] <ScottK> I think the rule is that you can.
[18:37] <clivejo> 1.0 needed an updated QT, but 1.0.1 fixes that
[18:37] <ScottK> If it's not on the ISO, we can still upload it if you want.  Worst case the release team says no and it gets accepted for SRU after release.
[18:37] <ScottK> So is 1.0 broken in Xenial?
[18:37] <clivejo> just wont build
[18:38] <ScottK> Oh.
[18:38] <clivejo> !info kdeconnect-plasma xenial
[18:38] <ScottK> Update from 0.8 to 1.0X is too much for an SRU.
[18:38] <ScottK> (thought 1.0 was in for some reason).
[18:39] <clivejo> no, I havent uploaded because Im unsure how to deal with the naming
[18:39] <ScottK> I'd get it into Z and then use ubuntu-backports
[18:39] <ScottK> Leave it for Z.
[18:39] <clivejo> but for me its a very important part of plasma
[18:40] <ScottK> Sure, but a major version upgrade now seem too late.
[18:40] <ScottK> Getting it so people can install from backports should be enough.
[18:40] <ScottK> I can help with that.
[18:41] <clivejo> !info kdeconnect-plasma yakkety
[18:42] <clivejo> so a 1.0.1 release would not make it over a 0.9+git?
[18:42] <ScottK> Depends on how much change there is.
[18:43] <ScottK> I was looking at the wrong package: kdeconnect.
[18:43] <ScottK> BTW, should that one be removed?
[18:43] <clivejo> yeah, its confusing
[18:44] <clivejo> in kubuntu, the kf5 port was called kdeconnect-plasma
[18:44] <ScottK> If it's git snapshot to final release, I'd upload it and see what the rt says.
[18:44] <clivejo> Riddell spoke to upstream and they indicated they would use this name
[18:45] <ScottK> So should kdeconnect go?
[18:45] <clivejo> but they didnt and debian started releasing kf5 port uisng the old source package name
[18:45] <ScottK> Ah.
[18:45] <clivejo> we decided we should follow debian on it
[18:45] <ScottK> Sounds good.
[18:45] <clivejo> but Im not sure how to go about it
[18:46] <clivejo> so its never happened
[18:46] <Riddell> neon also uses "kdeconnect" for source and binary name now
[18:46] <clivejo> ah thank Jon
[18:46] <clivejo> we should deffo follow
[18:46] <clivejo> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kdeconnect-kde
[18:47] <clivejo> 1.0 was the first stable release
[18:47] <clivejo> but needed Qt 5.6
[18:48] <ScottK> Are either on the ISO?
[18:48] <clivejo> I believe the 1.0.1 release was to build on older Qt
[18:49] <clivejo> Ive been building the releases myself and using them on my own yakkety install
[18:49] <ScottK> If so, then I'd do nothing until "Z"
[18:49] <clivejo> making them available via my PPA
[18:50] <clivejo> acheronuk: do you know if kdeconnect or kdeconnect-plasma are on the ISO?
[18:51] <acheronuk> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/yakkety-desktop-amd64.manifest
[18:51] <acheronuk> kdeconnect	0.8-0ubuntu5
[18:51] <acheronuk> kdeconnect-plasma	0.9+git20160315-0ubuntu1
[18:51] <ahoneybun> yep
[18:51] <acheronuk> BOTH!
[18:51] <ahoneybun> why do we have 2?
[18:52] <clivejo> problem is that I dont think those versions work any more
[18:52] <acheronuk> is one a dummy?
[18:52] <clivejo> ahoneybun: read above! ^^
[18:52] <clivejo> kdeconnect-plasma was intended to be the kf5 port
[18:53] <ahoneybun> sorry kinda boucing around clivejo
[18:53] <ScottK> acheronuk: no. Both are real.
[18:53] <acheronuk> :/
[18:54] <clivejo> but going forward we need to drop kdeconnect-plasma and go back to kdeconnect
[18:54] <ahoneybun> valorie: wxl and I have been approved for SeaGL
[18:54] <ScottK> clivejo: since it impacts the ISO, but doesn't affect basic install or functioning, I think you shouldn't do anything now.
[18:54] <clivejo> ScottK: ok
[18:55] <clivejo> but Im nearly sure it wont work, out of the box so to speak
[18:55] <acheronuk> clivejo: debian seems to be kdeconnect in unstable, so yes
[18:55] <ScottK> I noticed the Debian package is out of date and that lisandro uploaded it last time.
[18:56] <clivejo> there was a big update to do with encryption supported
[18:56] <ScottK> Someone might work with him in the meantime to update Debian so that when "Z" starts you can sync kdeconnect and rm the other one.
[18:57] <clivejo> so if you have newest app on Android, which is most likely, it wont work with the old package on Kubuntu
[18:57] <ScottK> Once that's done, you can get 1.0.1 into Yakkety and Xenial backports.
[18:57] <ahoneybun> KDE Connect still works here
[18:58] <clivejo> ahoneybun: what version you got installed?
[18:58] <ahoneybun> same as acheronuk posted
[18:59] <clivejo> you sure?
[18:59] <ahoneybun> just sent an image from my phone to my laptop
[18:59] <clivejo> I mean are you sure its to one in yakkety archive?
[18:59] <ahoneybun> test
[18:59] <ahoneybun> yea I have the same as the ISO has
[18:59] <ahoneybun> no PPA
[18:59]  * acheronuk adds ppa:clivejo/kdeconnect-kde
[19:00] <ahoneybun> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23304545/
[19:00] <ahoneybun> clivejo: ^
[19:00] <ahoneybun> just use the remote control too
[19:00] <ahoneybun> little laggy but works
[19:01] <ahoneybun> that :test" was using the phones keyboard
[19:04] <clivejo> ok cool
[19:05] <clivejo> acheronuk: should be able to reply to SMS using 1.0.1
[19:06] <acheronuk> won't even pair at the moment
[19:06] <clivejo> have you ever got it to work ? :P
[19:07] <clivejo> might be your network or firewall
[19:07] <acheronuk> Not since I reinstalled this machine on the SSD
[19:12] <acheronuk> logged out and back in again, and no joy
[19:20] <ScottK> I'd recommend focusing on getting the ISO images tested and worry about kdeconnect on Friday.
[19:22] <ahoneybun> oh reply to SMS!
[19:43] <valorie> ahoneybun: awesome!
[19:44] <valorie> sgclark: have you heard back about funding for SeaGL?
[19:44] <ahoneybun> yes in deed
[19:44] <valorie> ScottK: have they respun the ISOs already?
[19:44] <valorie> last I heard they were processing in the new kernel
[19:45] <ScottK> I don't know.
[19:45] <ScottK> Regardless, I think it's too late to mess with kdeconnect this cycle.
[19:55] <sgclark> valorie: seems I forgot to even submit one.
[19:56] <mparillo> valorie: The ISOs have not appeared here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/368/builds and maybe half an hour ago, my YY was up-to-date so the new kernels have not hit the YY archive I was hitting.
[19:57] <valorie> sgclark: are you still going to do that?
[19:57] <valorie> I think there is still time, and plane tickets shouldn't be that expensive
[19:57] <valorie> if you still want to come
[19:58] <acheronuk> from #ubuntu-release.....
[19:58] <acheronuk> [17:13]  <infinity> Attention release team: There's a new kernel (and matching d-i) making its way through the pipes, so have a look at excuses and queues and see of there are other thing we should be fixing and/or slipping in for the inevitable respin later today.
[19:58] <sgclark> yeah I recall doing all the research but failed at execution. Will try to do it today
[20:01] <valorie> \o/
[20:18] <valorie> !info skrooge
[20:19] <valorie> wow, much more up-to-date is available here, from the developer of skrooge: https://launchpad.net/~s-mankowski/+archive/ubuntu/backport-kf5
[20:28] <sgclark> valorie: just submitted request. cross your fingers.
[20:29] <valorie> X
[20:29] <valorie> :-)
[20:42] <kfunk> just upgraded my kdepim stack (16.10). kdepim-addons did not get pulled in. known issue? without kdepim-addons the message header won't be shown (major issue IMO)
[20:42] <kfunk> just FYI
[20:46] <ahoneybun> oh no a new d-i
[20:46] <ahoneybun> ...
[20:46] <acheronuk> reverse-depends kdepim-addons
[20:47] <acheronuk> Reverse-Recommends
[20:47] <acheronuk> [20:47] <acheronuk> * kdepim
[20:47] <acheronuk> * kmail
[20:51] <kfunk> recommends is not enough here, correct?
[20:52] <kfunk> you'll just get the message body in the message view, without it.
[20:52] <kfunk> no headers.
[20:57] <acheronuk> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=826746
[20:59] <acheronuk> I got kdepim-addons so that recommends was enough in my case
[21:09] <ahoneybun> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/23304999/
[21:09] <ahoneybun> speaking of kmail acheronuk
[21:17] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: is that from a system just installed from the iso the other day, or an older system upgrading?
[21:19] <acheronuk> my VM here did not see that, nor has my YY PC
[21:27] <valorie> wxl, ahoneybun, sgclark: https://osem.seagl.org/conference/seagl2016/register
[21:38] <acheronuk> anyone tried installing an up to date Xenial box/VM, and then doing an upgrade on it to YY?
[21:39] <acheronuk> from release....
[21:39] <acheronuk> [22:15] <infinity> Okay, I have to run off to family dinner soon.  Will be back later to garden excuses, migrate what I can, britney block the world, and spin new images.
 Upgrading
 Just did a apt -f install to fix
[21:42] <acheronuk> where we got PIM updated in dribs and drabs depending on what we could get to migrate, I'm not sure if what you got is just an artefact of that and would not be seen on a clean upgrade done all at once, or if it is something many people will hit
 I've not rebooted or tried kmail yet
[21:44] <sgclark> valorie: registered
[21:44] <valorie> :-)
[21:44] <sgclark> valorie: if I fly in the night before can I stay @ your place?
[21:45] <valorie> Wed, or Thur?
[21:45] <valorie> I have the hotel for Thursday
[21:46] <valorie> if you come Wed., of course
[21:47] <sgclark> ok thx, will let you know whatt I end up with.
[21:48] <valorie> on Thur, you can just take the lil train from the airport to downtown
[21:48] <valorie> and a bus up to the hotel
[21:48] <valorie> I think the lil train goes to the tunnel under seattle rather then the train station you know from Amtrack
[21:50] <valorie> ooo, it goes to Capitol Hill!
[21:50] <valorie> http://www.soundtransit.org/Schedules/Link-light-rail
[21:53] <valorie> looks like the streetcar takes you straight from the station to the hotel
[21:54] <valorie> or a 1/2 mile walk
[21:54] <valorie> wxl, ahoneybun ^^^
[22:05] <ahoneybun> looks cool
[22:05] <acheronuk> trying xenial to yakkety upgrade in a VM......
[22:13]  * acheronuk wanders off as that will take a while
[22:14] <clivejo> how would I get the LP private keys for kubuntu-ci ?
[22:15] <acheronuk> who would have made them?
[22:15] <clivejo> JR I reckon
[22:16] <acheronuk> Ask JR then?
[22:16] <clivejo> Im just guessing, have no idea!
[22:17] <acheronuk> If I made them, I would keep a backup
[22:17] <clivejo> maybe easier way is to setup new keys?
[22:26] <acheronuk> ** shrugs **
[22:34] <acheronuk> wow. xenial to yakkety upgrade went flawlessly in a VM!
[22:34] <tsimonq2> \o/
[22:34] <valorie> \o/
[22:35] <tsimonq2> one less thing to worry about ;)
[22:35] <valorie> !info KCI
[22:35] <valorie> boo
[22:35] <valorie> that would be so much easier
[22:36] <acheronuk> didn't add quite the full packageset before upgrading, but did all of PIM, which is what was worrying me
[22:36] <acheronuk> In the morning can hopefully test new isos
[22:38] <acheronuk> !info jenkins
[22:38] <acheronuk> :/
[22:39] <valorie> heh
[22:39] <clivejo> LOL
[22:40] <acheronuk> probably a docker/container template somewhere
[22:40]  * acheronuk pretends he knows what he is talking about ^^^
[22:40] <clivejo> tries sudo apt-get install jenkins on KCI
[23:05] <valorie> today's update included this:
[23:05] <valorie> Unpacking libkf5messageviewer5:amd64 (4:16.04.3-0ubuntu1) over (4:15.12.3-0ubuntu2) ...
[23:05] <valorie> dpkg: libkf5incidenceeditorsng5: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you requested:
[23:05] <valorie>  kmail depends on libkf5incidenceeditorsng5 (= 4:15.12.3-0ubuntu2).


[19:04] <Keybuk> "slip into the comfort of your own narcolepsy"
[19:04]  * Keybuk has to use that lyric as a release name one day
[19:05] <sadmac> I've just been watching music videos with good release names
[19:05] <sadmac> "same as it ever was"
[19:05] <Keybuk> "this is the new shit" ?
[19:06] <sadmac> that'd be a good 1.0 release name
[19:09] <Keybuk> true
[19:11]  * keesj wanted to shake hands today a fosdem but did not have the patience to wait
[19:11] <sadmac> Keybuk: I've been thinking about transactions a bit lately.
[19:12] <Keybuk> oh yes?
[19:12] <Keybuk> keesj: I didn't know you were there! :-(
[19:12] <sadmac> Keybuk: I'll cover the bad news first: we can't preserve the transactional property of the system :)  Consider:
[19:13] <sadmac> open transaction
[19:13] <sadmac> stop A
[19:13] <sadmac> start B
[19:13] <sadmac> commit
[19:13] <sadmac> We go to apply, we stop A. B won't start
[19:13] <sadmac> We try to revert. A won't start
[19:13] <sadmac> we're stuck in an inconsistent state. We can't revert or complete.
[19:13] <Keybuk> right, I figured that :-/
[19:14] <sadmac> Keybuk: but transactions also give us an opportunity to assign certain contexts to actions. Consider opening a transaction with the "shutdown" option. When its applied, anything we kill, we just ignore rather than killing and let it run. Then at the end of the transaction we fire off the halt.
[19:15] <sadmac> if we abort we just reclaim ownership of the lost processes.
[19:16] <Keybuk> how do you mean?
[19:17] <sadmac> well, really we'd never release them in the first place. The point is because of the context we know we don't have to actually stop the services. They'll die at the poweroff (or on a mass-kill somewhere near the end of the transaction)
[19:18] <Keybuk> ah, I had a feeling that's what you meant
[19:18] <Keybuk> treat the shutdown context specially and not really kill services
[19:18] <sadmac> exactly
[19:19] <sadmac> transaction properties are a good way to trigger things like halt or reboot too. just a flag that says "when you commit this transaction, reboot"
[19:20] <Keybuk> the trouble is you get a limited set of "when you..." to it
[19:21] <sadmac> what's the issue?
[19:22] <Keybuk> well, you could only implement a limited set of FOO for "when you commit this transaction, FOO"
[19:22] <Keybuk> otherwise its behaviour is identical to an event - you emit it, wait for it to finish, then do something if successful
[19:23] <sadmac> there's only a couple of things we'd want. reboot, halt, stuff like that.
[19:24] <sadmac> (katzj probably wants "eject cd tray" in there. I've been refusing his patch for awhile now)
[19:25] <Keybuk> eject cd tray?
[19:26] <sadmac> Keybuk: Jeremy Katz wants pid 1 to be able to eject the cd drive.
[19:26] <sadmac> I'm not quite as eager for that feature.
[19:26] <Keybuk> for?
[19:26] <Keybuk> on shutdown?
[19:26] <sadmac> yes, shutdown after a livecd
[19:27] <Keybuk> we just readahead the reboot binary ;)
[19:27] <sadmac> yeah, he really didn't like that
[19:28] <sadmac> *shrug*
[19:28] <Keybuk> :)
[19:28] <Keybuk> I actually do intend for init to make the reboot() system call
[19:28] <Keybuk> which solves the underlying problem, provided eject is the last thing you do
[19:29] <sadmac> I think it makes more sense in newer upstart.
[19:29] <sadmac> he's got a patch to make 0.3.9 do the eject thing though.
[19:29] <sadmac> I've been ignoring it in bugzilla for months.
[19:30] <Keybuk> but then it makes sense to do suspend/hibernate in init too ;)
[19:30] <Keybuk> and richard hughes won't like that
[19:30] <Keybuk> davidkit's ok with the idea
[19:30] <sadmac> who was it that was doing the dbus in kernelspace stuff?
[19:30] <sadmac> I can't google it for shit.
[19:31] <Keybuk> Marcel
[19:32] <sadmac> how far along is that now?
[19:32] <Keybuk> Holtmann
[19:32] <Keybuk> it's from Marcel
[19:32] <Keybuk> how's Hell doing in the Freezing Over stakes?
[19:33] <sadmac> he not carrying it along or upstream not happy about it?
[19:33] <sadmac> or fd.o screwing things up?
[19:37] <Keybuk> no...
[19:37] <Keybuk> Marcel invents a lot of things
[19:37] <Keybuk> Marcel implements substantially fewer things
[19:40]  * sadmac is game
[19:42] <Keybuk> it makes sense
[19:47] <sadmac> has he written anything?
[19:47] <sadmac> ah. exeunt Keybuk.


[03:45] <Gnea> hello all, we're trying to solve a USB problem in jaunty using the 2.6.28-15 kernel, and it occurred to me that, at some point recently, it was decided to build the USB support into the kernel instead of leaving it modularized. So, my question, therefore, is how can we tell the kernel not to detect EHCI?
[13:20] <diwic> If I download the source for alsa-base (1.0.20+dfsg-1ubuntu4), is that guaranteed to be the same version/code that is loaded by the kernel at bootup?
[15:06] <toros> hi
[15:08] <toros> yesterday I reported this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/441577
[15:08] <ubot3> Malone bug 441577 in linux "The direct rendering stopped working with the kernel 2.6.31-11.38" [Undecided,New]
[15:08] <toros> now somebody reported this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/442197
[15:08] <ubot3> Malone bug 442197 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Issues with the xserver-xorg-video-intel[?] on an Intel Mobile 945GME." [Undecided,Incomplete]
[15:08] <toros> I think this is the same issue
[15:08] <toros> I don't know if this information helps somehow
[19:37] <lfaraone> JFo: uh, re bug 440887, apport automatically attaches the pm-suspend.log as "SleepLog.txt". Is that not what you want?
[19:37] <ubot3> Malone bug 440887 in linux "[Dell Inc Dimension E521] suspend/resume failure" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/440887
[21:36] <JFo> lfaraone, it may be. let me check


[06:39] <RugbyHead> hello
[06:39] <RugbyHead> why cant i talk in #ubuntu?
[07:46] <ikonia> because you are bacta ?
[07:49] <ikonia> RugbyHead: it would be appreciated if you just left any ubuntu channels and went about your IRC day
[08:09] <Pricey> I'm positive that'll work.
[08:12] <ikonia> of course it won't
[08:12] <ikonia> he's a problem for years, but there are very few options
[08:12] <ikonia> what do you suggest ?
[08:16] <ikonia> Pricey: what's your thoughts/suggestions on how to deal with him ?
[08:17] <ikonia> obviously he's also a problem a network level (hennce the last k-line extravaganza) so how can he be dealt with at a channel level ? or even a network level ?
[08:50] <sveta> have me fly to NZ for a holiday :D
[08:51] <sveta> (or find someone from NZ who'd be happy to do that)
[08:51] <bazhang> thats a joke, right?
[08:54] <bazhang> that seemed awfully quick on the !op s trigger
[10:57] <IAmNotThatGuy> Tm_Tr, Hi
 How can i make a application that scrape some data from website
[17:28] <bazhang> is web-scraping kosher?
[17:28] <Pici> sure
[17:28] <Pici> There are legit uses for scraping websites.
[17:29] <Pici> I pulled down every single jeopardy question/answer off of the jeopardy archive. They don't have an API.
[17:30] <bazhang> grrr google it
[18:10] <DJones> I wish pepperflash would be backdated to 12.04 to save me arsing around and having to install google chrome on my wifes laptop to plat crapbook games
[21:52] <valorie> where is ubottu?
[21:53] <valorie> missing in #kubuntu, and here too
[21:53] <valorie> oh, net split, duh


[02:31] <puzzolo> hallo pple, a development question. Any chance to see drbd9 deployed instead of ceph for quicker couple-shared storage?
[02:33] <puzzolo> with drbd two machines volumes are mirrored together into a singole volume. If you divide that volume in two units, first mastered by server 1 for its vm and backup of second server , and  second volume to server2  machine and backup of machine 1...
[02:35] <puzzolo> we can achieve faster speeds with less hardware, obtain a two-by-two shared storage .. not suffering from split-brains and abrupt singolarities on disks.
[03:49] <jobot> Hello, is there a command or conditional statement to test if a mysql database is in use by more than one service?


[21:20] <alecs> hi there
[21:20] <Flannel> Howdy alecs
[21:20] <alecs> could you help me with some guide lines about this upgrade ?
[21:20] <Flannel> alecs: You're sure you want to try it?
[21:21] <alecs> yeah ...
[21:21] <alecs> i want the server up and running until tommorow night
[21:21] <Flannel> I thught I read something in #ubuntu about you already trying to go to feisty?  is that true?
[21:21] <alecs> because is devel server
[21:22] <alecs> yea i have tried to go tu gutsy actually (7.10)
[21:22] <Flannel> How far did you get?
[21:22] <alecs> machine that i use to speak with you is a gutsy too
[21:22] <alecs> well ... until i have downloaded the sources
[21:22] <Flannel> Since, depending on what happened with that, we may not be able to go to breezy without a lot of anguish
[21:22] <alecs> and then crashed a lot of things ....
[21:23] <alecs> i am allready installing fresh linux (5.04)
[21:23] <Flannel> Oh, you installed this fresh?
[21:24] <Flannel> and can't install a newer version why again?
[21:24] <alecs> i am doing this right now ...
[21:24] <alecs> because ... i do not have the install CD with me ...
[21:24] <alecs> i am 80 km from that CD
[21:24] <Flannel> And you can't download an burn another? or netboot or something to get it?
[21:24] <alecs> and is allready 11.34 here (PM)
[21:25] <Flannel> right, but we're going to be doing quite a bit to upgrade you to dapper even, two upgrades.
[21:25] <Flannel> Alright, well, we're following these guides, more or less: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[21:25] <Flannel> This is a fresh install of Hoary?
[21:26] <alecs> of ubuntu 5.04
[21:27] <Flannel> alecs: right.  Alright, we'll want to change our sources.list to old-releases.ubuntu.com instead of whatever is in there.  you can go ahead and do that now.
[21:27] <alecs> w8 for a sec ...
[21:27] <Flannel> And while you're there, go ahead and change hoary to breezy
[21:27] <Flannel> on all the lines
[21:28] <alecs> ok
[21:29] <alecs> now booting ...
[21:29] <alecs> i have to configure my network and after that we shall see
[21:30] <alecs> by the way what is default root password?
[21:30] <Flannel> There is no root password, the root account is locked
[21:31] <alecs> well ... how do i unlock it ...
[21:31] <alecs> ?
[21:31] <Flannel> You don't need to, use sudo instead
[21:31] <alecs> ok
[21:31] <alecs> i know about that ;)
[21:32] <alecs> ok
[21:32] <alecs> what do i change in source list ///
[21:32] <alecs> i will comment cd-rom line
[21:33] <Flannel> change all the URLs to http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[21:33] <Flannel> and then change the hoarys to breezys
[21:36] <alecs> ok
[21:37] <alecs> i have changed to breezy
[21:37] <alecs> now i should run
[21:37] <alecs>   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:37] <Flannel> yeah
[21:38] <alecs> hmmm
[21:38] <alecs> i have some problems
[21:38] <Flannel> Which ones?
[21:38] <alecs> could not stat source package list http://old-releases.ubuntu.com breezy/main
[21:39] <alecs> could not stat source package list http://old-releases.ubuntu.com breezy/ universe
[21:39] <alecs> and all
[21:39] <Flannel> alright, paste (here) a single line from your sources.list
[21:39] <Flannel> (obviously, not one thats commented out)
[21:40] <alecs> loool
[21:40] <alecs> let me check something
[21:42] <alecs> works now
[21:42] <alecs> :D
[21:43] <alecs> my stupid person has forgot to configure the ppp connection ... and rise up eth0
[21:43] <alecs> i will run this now
[21:43] <alecs> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:45] <alecs> now it works .. i will check those
[21:45] <alecs> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[21:46] <Flannel> alecs: Once you're upgraded to breezy, you can upgrade to dapper like that page says, you'll need to change your repo URLs again, as old-releases won't have the supported versions.  You should switch to your local mirror for best performance
[21:47] <alecs> hmmm ..
[21:47] <alecs> located in romania ...
[21:47] <alecs> if i recall
[21:48] <alecs> ftp.iasi.roedu.net is the nearest
[21:51] <alecs> BTW ... do you know if developers will include Qmail into the repository ?
[21:57] <Flannel> !mirrors
[21:57] <alecs> ok...
[21:58] <alecs> still i will not pass to hardy yet ...
[22:26] <alecs> what sould i change to bring up my eth0 at startup time ?
[22:39] <Eharan_XW> can anyone point me at a good clear guide for deb packaging?  --  i know rpm, and have tried to get my head around deb but it seems really messy
[23:00] <nalioth> Eharan_XW: ask uncle google "debian new maintainers guide"