[10:55] <magical_trevsky> abattoir: of my root fs
[10:56] <abattoir> magical_trevsky: the last option is 1 :)
[10:56] <abattoir> change it to 0
[10:56] <magical_trevsky> mkay, and that'll prevent the check?
[10:56] <abattoir> magical_trevsky: theoretically, yes
[10:57] <magical_trevsky> ok :D
[10:57] <magical_trevsky> btw, to edit fstab, i use the sudo of the live cd, yeah.. or will that give permissions errors and stuff?
[10:57] <vandenoever> abattoir: yep libc6 problem
[10:58] <abattoir> magical_trevsky: dont think it'd give you permission errors if you used sudo
[10:58] <abattoir> vandenoever: aah, ok... you dont want to compile it yourself?
[10:58] <magical_trevsky> but i mean editing it as a user called ubuntu-live or whatever it is won't cause any problems when my username on the root fs is simon, right?
[10:59] <abattoir> magical_trevsky: no, it should work fine...
[11:00] <vandenoever> abattoir: debian testing also doesnt work
[11:00] <magical_trevsky> abattoir: ok, guess it's time to reboot!  wish me luck :p
[11:00] <vandenoever> given that the new kde has cmake as a dependency, this is strange
[11:00] <abattoir> magical_trevsky: it'll work, dont worry ;)
[11:05] <tobstarr> hi
[11:06] <magical_trevsky> abattoir, it worked, thank you so much :D
[11:06] <abattoir> magical_trevsky: cool :)
[11:08] <tobstarr> somehow i can not use my keabord in kde any more?
[11:09] <tobstarr> i can use it at the kdm login and in failsafe mode
[11:10] <tobstarr> when i rename my .kde folder everything is fine
[11:10] <afd_> hi guys! I've got ubuntu on my laptop and I'm trying kde, but I can't get the sound to work at all (although it works on gnome, including volume control keys). Any pointers?
[11:11] <abattoir> tobstarr: did you change your keyboard layout or something?
[11:11] <tobstarr> abattoir: no, i didn't
[11:12] <abattoir> afd_: do you say this because amarok doesnt play mp3 files... by any chance?
[11:12] <abattoir> afd_: also, you could check the mixer(kmix), to see if everything is un-muted
[11:12] <afd_> btw, noatun and amarok seem to play stuff, so I think it's a matter of volume control. I've seen that kmilo is in charge of key controls on laptops, but I don't know where to start with it
[11:12] <afd_> abattoir: I've checked kmix and amarok can play mp3s in gnome
[11:13] <afd_> playing an alert sound from the control applet for system notifications doesn't work either
[11:13] <abattoir> tobstarr: you can try changing back to default options in Kcontrol->Regional and acc. -> Keyboard.. to see if that helps
[11:13] <tobstarr> i tried that
[11:14] <tobstarr> i just changed something in the keyboard layout
[11:14] <tobstarr> brb
[11:14] <abattoir> afd_: could you try 'aplay k3b_error1.wav' in the cli...
[11:15] <afd_> abattoir: actually, I can get no sound, even from xmms
[11:15] <afd_> ok, I'll try
[11:15] <afd_> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:819:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[11:15] <afd_> aplay: main:544: audio open error: Device or resource busy
[11:15] <afd_> suckish
[11:16] <afd_> what can I do in this case?
[11:18] <abattoir> afd_: did you log out of gnome and log into kde now?
[11:19] <afd_> abattoir: was like this: gnome, install kde, login to kde, no sound, login to gnome, the sound was on mute, put the sound to max, logout, login to kde, no sound
[11:19] <afd_> don't tell me I should reboot :)
[11:20] <abattoir> afd_: well, you could try  :P
[11:20] <abattoir> afd_: try 'sudo fuser -v /dev/dsp'
[11:21] <abattoir> afd_: that should tell you which process is using the sound device
[11:22] <abattoir> 'sudo fuser -vki /dev/dsp' should give you an option to kill it if you want to
[11:22] <afd_> abattoir: realplayer, I've killed it, let me see if I can make some progress. mpg123 can now play, no longer complains about device, but I still get no sound
[11:23] <thomas> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=8499.0
[11:28] <afd_> btw, is there a way to configure default aplications? like what to launch for web browsing?
[11:28] <Martijn81> afd_: yeah, via konqueror settings
[11:29] <Martijn81> sections file association
[11:29] <Martijn81> -s
[11:31] <Polioincornholio> Hey
[11:31] <Martijn81> hi Polioincornholio
[11:31] <Polioincornholio> is there a reason why my computer doesn't reccommend the command sudo gedit?
[11:32] <Polioincornholio> Hey Martijn81
[11:32] <Chousuke> use gksudo
[11:32] <Polioincornholio> ok
[11:32] <Martijn81> launching gui always with gksudo or kdesu
[11:32] <Martijn81> depending of whether you use gnome or kde
[11:32] <abattoir> Polioincornholio: or try kate instead of gedit, if you are running kubuntu :)
[11:33] <Martijn81> if you need sudo off course..
[11:33] <Polioincornholio> so i want to do sudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[11:34] <Polioincornholio> instead i do...?
[11:34] <Polioincornholio> i'm running kde
[11:34] <Martijn81> gksudo gedit /etc/...
[11:34] <Polioincornholio> aha
[11:34] <Polioincornholio> thanks
[11:34] <Martijn81> then kdesu kate /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[11:35] <Polioincornholio> if the first doesn't work?
[11:35] <Polioincornholio> oh
[11:35] <Polioincornholio> i see
[11:35] <Martijn81> nope, kdesu for KDE and gksudo for gnome
[11:36] <ocjeunesse> salut
[11:36] <afd_> Martijn81: which mimetype I should change to associate http:// links to konqueror?
[11:36] <ocjeunesse> je recherche le serveur kubuntu .fr ou ubuntu.fr merci
[11:37] <tonatiuh> fer?
[11:37] <fernanda> hola
[11:38] <tonatiuh> http://forums.hamachi.cc/viewtopic.php?t=8908
[11:38] <tonatiuh> fer entra en ese foro
[11:38] <tonatiuh> ahi dice como hacer para conectarte con el hamachi
[11:38] <tonatiuh> y con el sking ghamachi
[11:39] <abattoir> !fr
[11:39] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:39] <abattoir> !es
[11:39] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[11:39] <tonatiuh> ok ya vamos a kubuntu.es
[11:39] <ocjeunesse> merci
[11:39] <Martijn81> afd_: for a protocol, that's a different location, i though you wanted to do some setting on *.html files. For the protocol setting you have to go to system settings
[11:40] <Martijn81> afd_: in KDE components
[11:40] <abattoir> afd_: kcontrol->kde components->Default apps.->Web browser
[11:41] <afd_> abattoir: Martijn81, found it, thanks
[11:41] <Martijn81> yeah, these are tuff to explain when you run a Dutch version of KDE
[11:44] <afd_> where can I configure default behaviour for middle click in konqueror?
[11:44] <afd_> (hope I'm not abusing the channel)
[11:45] <jiger> hello can anyone tell me how to execute hdparam on boot?
[11:46] <jiger> hdparm
[11:46] <thomas> is it possible to restart X server from the command line?
[11:46] <vandenoever> thomas: /etc/init.d/xdm restart
[11:46] <vandenoever> thomas: why not use ctrl-alt-backspace?
[11:46] <thomas> thx vandenoever
[11:47] <thomas> because, it is from ssh login, my graphic desktop is frozen :S
[11:47] <vandenoever> ah
[11:47] <Polioincornholio> does anyone know what the kubuntu dapper alternative to /etc/iftab/ is
[11:48] <thomas> vandenoever: i dont have xdm...should it be kdm instead?
[11:48] <flaccid> ne1 know what this is when i do ./configure? checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[11:49] <GeneralZod> flaccid:Try sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:49] <flaccid> thanks mate
[11:49] <marcus> hi
[11:49] <abattoir> thomas: yes, please substitute it w/ kdm
[11:49] <vandenoever> thomas: yes
[11:49] <marcus> need help about openGL and screensavers
[11:49] <thomas> does not work:
[11:50] <thomas> not responding to TERM signal (pid 4593).
[11:50] <abattoir> thomas: try prefixing 'sudo'
[11:50] <thomas> abbatoir: yes i did that :)
[11:50] <flaccid> thats going to help my dev lots
[11:50] <thomas> as in
[11:50] <thomas> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[11:51] <flaccid> i think thats the last thing for my conversion of fedora to kubuntu on my notebook
[11:51] <thomas> so next alternative must be sudo reboot then?
[11:53] <GeneralZod> thomas:Which process corresponds to 4593?
[11:53] <thomas> GeneralZod: that _was_ the Xorg i think
[11:54] <thomas> it is dead now, cause i rebooted it
[11:54] <GeneralZod> thomas:Ah, OK
[11:54] <Polioincornholio> Hey all, I'm following instructions here, attempting to set up a wireless dongle. Anyhow, I need to open up a file called iftab, which in the instructions, is supposed to be in /etc/ which it's not. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks
[11:55] <emonkey> Polioincornholio, /etc/iftab
[11:56] <emonkey> locate iftab
[11:59] <Polioincornholio> thanks emonkey
[12:00] <flaccid> gui or cli to turn services on or off for startup?
[12:00] <flaccid> chkconfig or something?
[12:05] <Database> Ugh.
[12:05] <flaccid> !servicemanager
[12:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about servicemanager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:05] <Database> Did the latest upgrades brak something in KDM?
[12:05] <Database> *break
[12:05] <flaccid> !runlevel
[12:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about runlevel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:05] <flaccid> oh ill just use kcontrol
[12:07] <fdoving> Database: in dapper?
[12:08] <Database> Yes.
[12:08] <Database> Yes, it's a fresh install of Dapper.
[12:08] <Database> Adept said there was 100+ upgrades, so I just shrugged and installed the lot.
[12:09] <Database> Now when I try and boot, it doesn't actually start KDE, just drops me into a (command-line) login screen
[12:10] <mkquist> database- when did u d/l the updates?
[12:10] <mkquist> database - cause it sounds like u got the update the broke x
[12:11] <aka_foley> how to mount for all the next time my ext3 http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22311 it doesn't work
[12:11] <mkquist> database - on the site, theres instructions on the fix
[12:13] <aka_foley> please help me
[12:13] <Database> Could you give me a link, please, mkquist?
[12:13] <Database> Wassup AKA?
[12:14] <mkquist> database - gimme a sec
[12:14] <Database> Sure :D
[12:14] <ketsugi> Hm, Konversation 1.0 isn't in the repos yet
[12:14] <Jucato> :-D
[12:14] <insanekane> Database: look in /etc/inittab
[12:14] <aka_foley> how to mount the ext3 for ever
[12:14] <aka_foley> ?
[12:14] <Database> ..?
[12:14] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: hey
[12:15] <Database> Insanekane, you lost me.
[12:15] <Jucato> ketsugi: I think they're going to make it available in backports soon
[12:15] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: which is the problem?
[12:15] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: /media/hdb3 ?
[12:15] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: /media/hdb1  rather
[12:15] <insanekane> Database: cat /etc/inittab
[12:15] <aka_foley> hdb1
[12:15] <Database> What will that do?
[12:15] <mkquist> database - http://www.ubuntu.com/FixForUpgradeIssue
[12:15] <insanekane> Database: then look at the very first non-commented line
[12:15] <Database> THanks.
[12:16] <flaccid> anybody know why i a may get this with ./configure checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[12:16] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: if you're going to mount it forever then I think it should be in /mnt/hdb1
[12:16] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: it doesn't matter
[12:16] <insanekane> flaccid: you should get the dev packages
[12:16] <Database> OK, I'm not having that problem...
[12:17] <flaccid> insanekane: which dev packages are those?
[12:17] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: so when you boot, it's not actually mounting it right?
[12:17] <Jucato> xorg-dev I think
[12:17] <Database> When I start my computer, I'm greeted with the second image, exactlly.
[12:17] <flaccid> thanks
[12:17] <aka_foley> i cant mount it anything
[12:17] <insanekane> flaccid: xserver-xorg-dev
[12:18] <insanekane> Database: do you know how to use Konsole ?
[12:18] <insanekane> Database: if you do, then open a Konsole, then type cat /etc/inittab ...
[12:18] <insanekane> Database: look for the first non-commented line ... something like id:2: ....
[12:18] <TeePOG> afternoon
[12:18] <fdoving> Database: when you boot you're greeted with the commandline, right?
[12:19] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: what error do you get?
[12:19] <Database> Correct.
[12:19] <Database> Insanekane: I can't get that far.
[12:19] <flaccid> ty
[12:19] <aka_foley> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1,
[12:19] <Database> And yes, I can use Konsole.
[12:19] <aka_foley> missing codepage or other error
[12:19] <aka_foley> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[12:19] <aka_foley> dmesg | tail or so
[12:19] <aka_foley> Bitte vergewissern Sie sich, dass das Gert korrekt angeschlossen ist.
[12:19] <insanekane> Database: oh you are in console ... right
[12:19] <Database> YEs
[12:19] <insanekane> Database: ok, then just login, and type cat /etc/inittab
[12:19] <Database> .http://www.ubuntu.com/FixForUpgradeIssue?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=passwordb.png - I get that.
[12:20] <insanekane> Database: ok, then just login, and type cat /etc/inittab | less
[12:20] <Database> OK
[12:20] <insanekane> and look at the first few lines
[12:20] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: what makes you think the hard disk is on /dev/hdb1   ?
[12:20] <insanekane> you should have a default runlevel of 2
[12:20] <Database> OK.
[12:20] <TeePOG> does anyone have an idea of the following: which groups should a user belong to if he wants to be able to login over the ltsp?
[12:20] <insanekane> Database: you should have a default runlevel of 2 ... something like id:2:initdefault:
[12:21] <aka_foley> i don't know i tjink media
[12:21] <fdoving> insanekane: i doubt it's the runlevels.
[12:21] <fdoving> Database: ok, can you paste the output line of 'apt-cache madison xserver-xorg-core' into the channel please?
[12:21] <insanekane> fdoving: why so ?
[12:21] <mkquist> !pastebin
[12:21] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:22] <fdoving> insanekane: does any app automagically change the default runlevel?
[12:22] <Database> fdoving: I can't, Linux isn't up at the moment.
[12:22] <fdoving> Database: ah.
[12:22] <Database> Sorry.
[12:22] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: what is the partition? a hard disk you added?
[12:22] <insanekane> fdoving: well, this is a common issue ... so i belived it was the runlevels
[12:22] <aka_foley> yo
[12:23] <aka_foley> JohnFlux:yo
[12:23] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: are you sure it's ext3?
[12:23] <rascal999> I have deleted a directory, is there a way to undo this?
[12:23] <fdoving> insanekane: common runlevel issue in dapper? i've never heard of it though.. the problem i've heard of with x in dapper is the security update breaking x.
[12:23] <aka_foley> i think
[12:23] <k31th> will a du -ks /home/blah tell you home much is in there? INCLUDING the places it sym links to ?
[12:23] <JohnFlux> rascal999: not really.
[12:24] <aka_foley> i used qtparted
[12:24] <JohnFlux> rascal999: depends how badly you need it
[12:24] <rascal999> Fairly badly
[12:24] <fdoving> Database: do you have internet access while in the linux console?
[12:24] <mkquist> aka-foley - why ntfs?
[12:24] <JohnFlux> rascal999: ext2/3  ?
[12:24] <Database> fdoving: I do, yes.
[12:24] <rascal999> ext?
[12:24] <flaccid> one more ./configure error. checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.2 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! ... packages available?
[12:25] <JohnFlux> rascal999: that's probably a yes then
[12:25] <JohnFlux> rascal999: google for un deleting files in ext2
[12:25] <JohnFlux> rascal999: it's not easy
[12:25] <JohnFlux> rascal999: or reliable
[12:25] <fdoving> Database: then first, run 'sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-core=1:1.0.2-0ubuntu10;sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart'
[12:26] <rascal999> ok, what I did was used the adduser and set it to a home directory of the files the computer removed when I deleted the user from the users and groups menu
[12:26] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: go to media:/   in konqueror
[12:26] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: do you see the hard disk there
[12:26] <Database> Hm, OK.
[12:26] <aka_foley> i can see the hdd
[12:27] <oogie> can any one tell me what Crypto AP is?
[12:27] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: when you hover over the one you want, what device does it say ?
[12:27] <JohnFlux> oogie: google can
[12:27] <oogie> did that
[12:27] <JohnFlux> oogie: :-)
[12:27] <oogie> lol
[12:27] <oogie> gagle more like it
[12:27] <oogie> lol
[12:27] <aka_foley> there is nothing only 3,2G
[12:28] <oogie> how do i know if i have crypto installed?
[12:28] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: what happens if you click on it?
[12:28] <fdoving> Database: if this is the problem i think it is, you should now get your KDM back. now, after you've got your KDM back, login to KDE and open Adept Manager, go to Manage Repositories, make sure you've got the 'dapper-updates' repository enabled. from the commandline run: 'sudo apt-get update;apt-cache madison xserver-xorg-core' it's safe to update if the versionnumber listed is ending with 10.4, if it ends with 10.3 it's a broken version from security.
[12:28] <heinkel_111> does anyone know where the monitor/screen settings at boot is configured?
[12:28] <oogie> config_crypto <- if i type that in the terminal, and its not a known command, then that means that i dont have crypto installed right?
[12:28] <Database> I installed/updated from a fresh reformat only this morning.
[12:29] <Database> But I'll try everything you give me ::P
[12:29] <fdoving> Database: if you enabled security repostories but not dapper-updates you might experience this problem.
[12:29] <aka_foley> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/22314
[12:30] <Database> I haven't been able to enable any repositories yet.
[12:30] <Database> I literially only just installed Dapper.
[12:31] <Database> But anyway, I'm gonna try it all.
[12:31] <fdoving> Database: ok, sounds strange, but please atleast login to linux and check 'apt-cache madison xserver-xorg-core' version ending with 10.3 is broken.
[12:31] <Database> I'll try all the advice :P
[12:31] <fdoving> Database: versions ending with 10 and 10.4 is good.
[12:31] <Database> OK.
[12:32] <Database> She's talking to me in another room.
[12:32] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: in fstab, change the ext3  to auto
[12:32] <Jucato> heh
[12:32] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: and try again
[12:33] <Hobbsee> hey Database
[12:33] <Hobbsee> Jucato: i *am*
[12:33] <Database> See, she's alive! :P
[12:33] <Database> :P
[12:34] <dhq> when i run startx i get somany errors one of them is screen found but no valid configuration please help me i cant login to the gui of kubuntu
[12:35] <dhq> Hawkwind: when i run startx i get somany errors one of them is screen found but no valid configuration please help me i cant login to the gui of kubuntu
[12:35] <Hobbsee> Jucato: :)
[12:36] <Database> Oh well, let's go to work. :P
[12:36] <Jucato> dhq: did you upgrade or install something before this happened?
[12:36] <dhq> Jucato: yes
[12:36] <Jucato> dhq: what was it?
[12:37] <dhq> well it was something to do with opengl
[12:37] <dhq> Jucato: it affected my xorg
[12:37] <Jucato> dhq: I mean upgrade or install?
[12:38] <dhq> well i did i upgrade ie a repotisary of opengl
[12:38] <dhq> other than that nothin
[12:38] <dhq> Jucato: anyhelp
[12:38] <JohnFlux> aka_foley: any luck?
[12:38] <Jucato> dhq: so you added a repository to your sources.list?
[12:39] <aka_foley> no
[12:39] <dhq> yes and upgraded it
[12:39] <fdoving> dhq: you can look at /var/log/dpkg.log to see what you installed.
[12:39] <Hobbsee> dhq: and it broke.  i'm not surprised.  you shouldnt add random repositories, as you get the problem you currently experience.
[12:39] <Jucato> hm... that's tricky...
[12:39] <Hobbsee> dhq: remove the repo, and try upgrading again
[12:39] <fdoving> might need some pinning to actually downgrade.
[12:40] <Jucato> (or uninstall whatever was uninstalled...)
[12:40] <dhq> Hobbsee: i removed it tried it again
[12:40] <dhq> i uninstall xserver also
[12:40] <Hobbsee> dhq: ouch.
[12:40] <Jucato> dhq: yikes? did you reinstall xserver?
[12:40] <dhq> i get this msg problem with displaydevice
[12:41] <Hobbsee> dhq: "sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorgold.conf && sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart"
[12:41] <Jucato> did he reinstall xserver? he said he removed it...
[12:42] <fdoving> dhq: what mirror do you use?
[12:42] <dhq> fdoving: de and all i guess
[12:43] <dhq> Hobbsee: will just try it an be back ok
[12:44] <Jucato> I forgot to tell him to try irssi... so he won't have to go back and forth...
[12:44] <Jucato> although he won't be able to copy-paste stuff..
[12:45] <kavit_> Jucato: he could use gpm for console mouse operations
[12:45] <Jucato> wow, didn't know about that...
[12:46] <flaccid> how can i do a ./configure and use the kde prefix option
[12:46] <kavit_> Jucato: dont know if (k)ubuntu supports it by default...i used it with slackware a lot back in the dayt
[12:46] <Jucato> aah
[12:46] <flaccid> is it just --prefix
[12:47] <fdoving> kavit_: it works if you install it.
[12:47] <ketsugi> Yay, new Konversation
[12:47] <Jucato> ketsugi: you compiled?
[12:47] <ketsugi> Yep
[12:47] <Jucato> heheh! 1.0 would have probably been in backports in a few days...
[12:48] <Jucato> oh well. :-D
[12:48] <ketsugi> *shrug*
[12:48] <fdoving> flaccid: --prefix=/usr should do, might need to specify qtdirs and such too.
[12:48] <ketsugi> This is easy to compile, so no biggie
[12:48] <ketsugi> Firefox <IP_ADDRESS>, I'll wait for an official package
[12:48] <flaccid> fdoving: ty
[12:48] <kavit_> ketsugi: Firefox is a behemoth....
[12:49] <ketsugi> Yeah it's a pain to compile
[12:49] <fdoving> Database: so, results?
[12:50] <Database> I'm still trying to save the log to the other computer.
[12:50] <Database> I'll be back when I'm done :D
[12:50] <Database> Bye all/
[12:50] <fdoving> Database: if you have internet access from the console, the only thing you have to remember is 'apt-get install irssi-text' that will install a console irc client.
[12:51] <fdoving> ... .which will save alot of time and waste on rebooting and such.. :)
[12:52] <Jucato> fdoving: irssi is installed by default in Kubuntu.
[12:52] <flaccid> what is the kbuntu equiv of kdelibs-devel ?
[12:52] <fdoving> Jucato: ok, even better :)
[12:52] <fdoving> flaccid: kdelibs4-dev
[12:52] <flaccid> thanks
[12:53] <flaccid> fdoving: is that what it is for dapper?
[12:53] <Jucato> fdoving: yeah. who would have thought... irssi is a helpful little critter :-D
[12:53] <ROBOd> hello
[12:53] <Jucato> flaccid: yes
[12:53] <flaccid> sweet
[12:54] <ROBOd> i have ubuntu and i like its theme, colors and icons. how can i configure kde to have the same colours and icons?
[12:54] <flaccid> hehe so many libs just to compile knetstats
[12:54] <ROBOd> plus a similar theme
[12:54] <fdoving> Jucato: i use irssi all the time :)
[12:54] <ROBOd> i have manually configured the colours and now i got kde to look similar to gnome. but the icons are still the kde ones
[12:54] <Jucato> ROBOd: you can try looking for similar icons,colors, themes in http://www.kde-look.org
[12:55] <ROBOd> thanks Jucato
[12:55] <Jucato> ROBOd: for reference, Ubuntu uses the Human theme
[12:55] <ROBOd> Jucato: i know of that
[12:55] <Jucato> so you could look for Human colors, Human icons, etc.
[12:55] <stewraz> hi guys, i am trying to play a video on a www (www.spikedhumor.com) i have installed the flash player correctly but i still cannot play
[12:55] <stewraz> are there any more packages i need
[12:56] <TeePOG> Jucato: that name has always struck me as absurd... I've never seen humans with icons
[12:56] <Jucato> TeePOG: hm....
[12:56] <Jucato> I have no idea why they decided to call it that...
[12:58] <gareth> steraz, what version of flash is the site using?
[12:58] <gareth> stewraw*
[12:59] <Jucato> gareth: you can use Tab completion to help you get the names right  :-D
[12:59] <gareth> i know, was being silly
[12:59] <GarethMB> divedive
[01:00] <Jucato> GarethMB: you're the Gareth Brown who reported the Katapult - Amarok bug?
[01:00] <GarethMB> Gareth Bowen yes
[01:00] <oogie> im having trpuble installing drivers lol
[01:00] <stewraz> gareth: how do i tel what version the site is using
[01:00] <GarethMB> when i remember how to log in
[01:00] <Jucato> rawr! sorry, bowen...
[01:00] <Hobbsee> Jucato: did you find out what databases problem was?
[01:00] <GarethMB> link me to the video you are trying to watch
[01:01] <oogie> do i need to have crypto ap to install drivers/madwifi?
[01:01] <oogie> madwifi more lol
[01:01] <Jucato> Hobbsee: no. he left. dhq hasn't returned yet either
[01:01] <Hobbsee> Jucato: heh, right.
[01:02] <goi> :D
[01:02] <goi> lol
[01:04] <Hobbsee> goi: madwifi drivers should be instaleld by default, or in linux-restricted-modules
[01:04] <stewraz> garath:
[01:04] <goi> it is...
[01:04] <stewraz> garath: http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/25497/What_Happens_When_Japanese_Babies_Are_Born.html
[01:04] <stewraz> garath: thanks mate
[01:04] <goi> but i want newer drivers that include athctrl
[01:04] <kavit_> what is katapult?
[01:05] <Jucato> !katapult
[01:05] <ubotu> katapult is the new application launcher for KDE, to be used with applications, bookmarks, and Amarok playlists. Once you have installed, hit Alt+f2 -> katapult, then hit Alt+Space, and type what you want.
[01:05] <flaccid> ah thats better
[01:05] <flaccid> knetstats installed
[01:05] <fdoving> Jucato: if dhq returns i suggest he puts http://rafb.net/paste/results/qyNzkI25.nln.html in his /etc/apt/preferences, and run 'sudo apt-get update;sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade' then remove the /etc/apt/preferences file, and re-run 'apt-get -u dist-upgrade' (this is because the pin will also downgrade previous security updates too).
[01:06] <fdoving> have to go. later.
[01:06] <kavit_> ah ok.... all these nifty new gui stuff, i feel left out :(
[01:06] <Jucato> fdoving: sure, I'll pass on the message
[01:06] <Jucato> kavit_: it's been there for quite a while
[01:06] <stewraz> garath: thanks
[01:06] <Database> No dice
[01:06] <Database> Nothing qworked.
[01:07] <goi> where is the linux restricted modules located at?
[01:07] <goi> i had it already installed, but i got rid of the old ones, just to get athctrl in madwifi source
[01:08] <goi> im setting up a long distance link
[01:08] <goi> with a 2.4 ghz amplifier
[01:08] <goi> :D
[01:09] <goi> sheesh
[01:09] <Database> vev
[01:09] <Database> brb
[01:09] <goi> no one is talking
[01:10] <phreakys> hm
[01:10] <phreakys> hi
[01:10] <goi> ayyy
[01:10] <phreakys> ayyy
[01:10] <goi> help :|
[01:10] <goi> lol
[01:10] <phreakys> ;)
[01:10] <phreakys> troubles?
[01:10] <goi> i need to end my 6 day journey on installing drivers!
[01:11] <phreakys> let me guess...you're messing with compiz/xgl?
[01:11] <goi> i ono
[01:11] <goi> am n00b
[01:11] <goi> lol
[01:11] <goi> madwifi
[01:11] <phreakys> heh, me too
[01:11] <goi> no on is talking in tha channel so lol
[01:11] <phreakys> no wireless support?
[01:11] <goi> i had it installed already
[01:12] <goi> worked and everything
[01:12] <goi> i need new ones
[01:12] <Hobbsee> goi: it's in the repositories...
[01:12] <phreakys> new what?
[01:12] <goi> drivers
[01:12] <goi> that include athctrl
[01:12] <phreakys> guess you need to install those manually then
[01:12] <goi> i do
[01:12] <phreakys> the repos aren't that new anyway
[01:12] <goi> lol
[01:12] <goi> i know
[01:13] <phreakys> i just installed aircrack. wlan hacker
[01:13] <phreakys> you might wanna add that too
[01:13] <goi> i got that
[01:13] <goi> how do i change the ack time thing, with out athctrl?
[01:14] <phreakys> im not into that app sorry
[01:14] <goi> gah
[01:14] <phreakys> just installed java, busy with bluej stuff
[01:14] <phreakys> school is starting again ;(
[01:14] <phreakys> but...xgl works! :-)
[01:14] <goi> well ill just have wait till im 50 :'(
[01:14] <goi> lol
[01:15] <phreakys> heh
[01:15] <goi> isnt there an auto package or and auto installer for ubuntu-like distros?
[01:16] <phreakys> try to search for rpm/or deb maybe
[01:16] <phreakys> sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[01:16] <phreakys> or:
[01:16] <phreakys> sudo alien package.rpm
[01:16] <Jucato> !gdb > Jucato
[01:17] <phreakys> wohooo
[01:17] <phreakys> country day here
[01:17] <Hobbsee> !gdb
[01:17] <ubotu> gdb: The GNU Debugger. In component main, is optional. Version 6.4-1ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 2636 kB, installed size 5384 kB
[01:17] <Hobbsee> !gdb edgy
[01:17] <ubotu> gdb: The GNU Debugger. In component main, is optional. Version 6.4.90.dfsg-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 2226 kB, installed size 4976 kB
[01:17] <Hobbsee> nice
[01:18] <phreakys> hm
[01:18] <phreakys> i just installed stellarium(stars and meteor stuff software)
[01:18] <phreakys> but the fonts are screwed in xgl
[01:19] <phreakys> tried it under a normal x-session, but then its slow
[01:19] <phreakys> with fonts normal
[01:20] <phreakys> wonder...
[01:21] <phreakys> is there some kind of login app that makes the login go like on windoze?
[01:21] <phreakys> like clicking the user, and enter the pw
[01:21] <phreakys> instead of typing user
[01:21] <Mehercle> it is possible on ubuntu
[01:21] <Mehercle> with gdm
[01:21] <phreakys> not on kde?
[01:21] <Mehercle> i don't know....
[01:21] <Jucato> phreakys: I think that depends on the KDM Theme being used. but if you disable the KDM theme, you can used the default Login used by KDE
[01:22] <Jucato> the default Login screen has what you are looking for
[01:22] <phreakys> hm
[01:22] <phreakys> checking
[01:22] <Jucato> phreakys: to disable the KDM theme, you can either edit a config file, or install "kdmtheme" to make it easier to disable/enable KDM themes or to add/remove themes
[01:23] <phreakys> aight thanks :D
[01:24] <Mehercle> thx Jucato
[01:24] <Jucato> no problem
[01:25] <Jucato> you can also associate a picture with each user if you use the default Login screen. The settings are in System Settings > Login Manager
[01:25] <flaccid> i get this when installing packages with apt-get DESTROY created new reference to dead object ' Qt::VBoxLayout', <> line 2 during global destruction. after its fetched
[01:25] <flaccid> any ideas?
[01:25] <bobalamer> Hi everybody
[01:25] <Mehercle> same here
[01:26] <Mehercle> and Failed to open device
[01:26] <goi> Im just gonna Re-install kubuntu Just to get my drivers back
[01:26] <Mehercle> flaccid: annoying, not?
[01:26] <goi> Let Me ask, i have athctrl.c , how do i make it... work?
[01:26] <goi> install it i mean
[01:27] <flaccid> doesn't appear to have an effect
[01:27] <bobalamer> i'm trying to use teamspeak with an usb headphone mic from plantronic and i do manage to record sound but i'm not hearing it. any clue ?
[01:28] <goi> bad drivers xD
[01:28] <flaccid> what is the common program to rip cds into ogg vorb?
[01:28] <bobalamer> flaccid:  grip is nice
[01:28] <flaccid> cool
[01:29] <goi> omg
[01:29] <Database> grip...
[01:29] <goi> i can only talk to a bot in madwifi channel
[01:29] <goi> no one talks right now
[01:30] <Lynoure> Is there a trigk for deleting photos when viewing them in konqueror or does one always need to go to the directory view?
[01:30] <phreakys> heh
[01:30] <phreakys> nice support ey?
[01:30] <Lynoure> flaccid: k3b is not bad either
[01:31] <flaccid> oh that rips cool
[01:31] <Jucato> flaccid: Konqueror rips, too. iirc
[01:33] <Lynoure> flaccid: sorry, mistyped
[01:33] <tRSS> my usb drive should be detected automatically, when I plug it in, but that is not happening, is there a way to mount it manually?
[01:33] <Lynoure> flaccid: I meant kAudioCreator
[01:33] <phreakys> which style should i choose to have logos instead of user entry fields?
[01:33] <bobalamer> i'm trying to use teamspeak with an usb headphone mic from plantronic and i do manage to record sound but i'm not hearing it. any clue ?
[01:34] <Jucato> phreakys: did you disable KDM themes already?
[01:34] <Hobbsee> bobalamer: does it show you up as muted?
[01:34] <Hobbsee> bobalamer: you need to disable kde sound, and restart teamspeak.  there is another way, but i've forgotten it
[01:34] <bobalamer> Hobbsee:  in gamix i appear not mute
[01:35] <phreakys> no, no idea how to do :/
[01:35] <flaccid> ta
[01:35] <Jucato> rawr!
[01:35] <phreakys> only thing i can do is select a theme or change some settings
[01:35] <NotSure> is there a faq for setting up a printer in kubuntu 6.06?
[01:36] <phreakys> hm, ill try some settings brb
[01:36] <NotSure> i can't seem to find the drivers for a lexmark z32 printer
[01:36] <Jucato> phreakys: where are you doing that? in KDM Theme Manager or in Login Manager?
[01:36] <bobalamer> Hobbsee:  when i do  cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp1 i do hear sound in the headphone
[01:36] <Hobbsee> bobalamer: iirc, teamspeak uses oss, where you can only have one input at a time.
[01:37] <Martijn81> grip is nice, but it needs an audio cable from the drive to the motherbord, it doesn't work without. Might be interesting to know for people who like to try it out
[01:38] <dhq> Hobbsee: hey
[01:38] <Hobbsee> dhq: heya
[01:38] <dhq> with /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[01:38] <dhq> it worked
[01:38] <Jucato> then, everything's fine now?
[01:39] <dhq> but when i restart again i have to do the same command
[01:39] <bobalamer> Hobbsee:  i wanted to use the other soundcard i have to play the sound from the game while using the usb "soundcard" for teamspeak
[01:39] <dhq> startx dosntwork
[01:39] <Hobbsee> dhq: weird.
[01:39] <Hobbsee> !doesntwork
[01:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about doesntwork - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:39] <Hobbsee> bah.  they took it out
[01:39] <Hobbsee> bobalamer: point.  there is a way, i just dont remember what it is, sorry
[01:39] <Jucato> dhq: message from fdoving: Jucato: if dhq returns i suggest he puts http://rafb.net/paste/results/qyNzkI25.nln.html in his /etc/apt/preferences, and run 'sudo apt-get update' 'sudo apt-get -u dist-upgrade' then remove the /etc/apt/preferences file, and re-run 'apt-get -u dist-upgrade' (this is because the pin will also downgrade previous security updates too).
[01:40] <dhq> Hobbsee: i guess i have to put that service to restart when kubuntu starts
[01:41] <bobalamer> Hobbsee:  ok thanks that's too bad i'll post the question un ubuntu forum
[01:41] <richard__> Anyone running Edgy Knot 2?
[01:41] <Hobbsee> bobalamer: google would get you a quicker answer, or searching the forum.
[01:41] <Hobbsee> richard__: yes
[01:42] <richard__> What you think?
[01:42] <Jucato> richard__: me too, but I'm on Dapper now. eheheh
[01:42] <Jucato> richard__: too early to say anything final
[01:42] <Jucato> but it's coming along nicely
[01:42] <Database> ;)
[01:42] <Jucato> lol
[01:42] <Jucato> powerplay...
[01:42] <richard__> I'm running it now, some small bugs but overall looks and runs good I feel. . .
[01:43] <bobalamer> Hobbsee:  already tried that but it must be well hidden deep inside a thead about teamspeak
[01:43] <Jucato> richard__: it's bound to have some bugs and unfinished stuff... it's still Knot 2 :-D
[01:43] <Jucato> it's knot yet finished...
[01:43] <Jucato> darn! this is jdong's fault....
[01:43] <Hobbsee> bobalamer: quite likely.  dev team used it a bit a while ago,b ut i've forgotten
[01:43] <Hobbsee> Jucato: what is?
[01:43] <Jucato> the knot puns...
[01:44] <richard__> I know. . . .but none-the-less its got all the latest stuff and I put synaptic on my system and got some software loaded that isn't typically in the standard repositories also. . .
[01:44] <Hobbsee> Database: :P
[01:44] <bobalamer> ok thank's
[01:47] <luke> heya, how can i play an xvid .avi in kaffeine?
[01:49] <luke> heya, how can i play an xvid .avi in kaffeine?
[01:49] <Jucato> luke: install "libxine-extracodecs"
[01:49] <luke> jucato: thanks
[01:50] <Jucato> you need to enable the "multiverse" repository to get that.Need to enable "universe" and/or "multiverse"? See this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:50] <luke> already have, but thanks for the help =)
[01:52] <phreakys> hm
[01:52] <luke> awesome it worked, thanks again jucato!
[01:52] <phreakys> got javabeans
[01:52] <Jucato> luke: no problem
[01:52] <phreakys> wonder if its possible to read a fat partition from linux?
[01:53] <Jucato> FAT32? yes definitely
[01:53] <Jucato> read and write
[01:53] <phreakys> nice
[01:53] <phreakys> !fat32
[01:53] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[01:53] <Jucato> NTFS is read only. you can write, but at your own risk :-D
[01:53] <phreakys> hehe
[01:53] <phreakys> np, its only fat32 external drive
[01:54] <Jucato> aah. then yes, it's going to be fine?
[01:54] <Jucato> err.. fine. no question mark
[01:54] <phreakys> hope so :)
[01:54] <phreakys> arg
[01:54] <phreakys> its ntfs
[01:55] <phreakys> *dang*
[01:55] <Jucato> :-p
[01:55] <Jucato> too bad... :-(
[01:57] <aliasfred> !ntfs
[01:57] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[01:57] <aliasfred> hmm i remember some stuff able to read/write on ntfs
[01:57] <aliasfred> using window dll
[01:58] <Martijn81> native dll's are evil
[01:58] <Jucato> rawr! eheheh
[01:58] <phreakys> :-)
[01:58] <ubuntu> I just had a thought...
[01:59] <ubuntu> .nick Database
[01:59] <Database> I'd changed the display settings after I upgraded.
[01:59] <aliasfred> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_NTFS_write_with_Captive_approach and http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mount_Windows_partitions_%28DOS%2C_FAT%2C_NTFS%29 was what i remembered
[02:00] <aliasfred> http://linux-ntfs.org/ is about this too
[02:01] <aliasfred> would be nice to put those in the bot
[02:01] <Jucato> and that ntfs-3g thing. but they're all still... not yet stable? but usable
[02:02] <aliasfred> i dunno how stable it is, but i guess those info would be usefull to some users. as using their window partitions is important to them :)
[02:05] <EvilIdler> Captive is sorta usable and stable..at 512 bytes per second
[02:06] <aliasfred> so you say captive solution is slow, what about the libntfs stuff ?
[02:07] <aliasfred> (apparently ntfs-3g is like a fork or a mega patch of libntfs. from http://www.linux-ntfs.org/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/
[02:07] <Database> Yes.
[02:08] <EvilIdler> I've only tried Captive, but fuse is newer and supposedly working for read and write.
[02:08] <EvilIdler> If you onlu need to read, you can use built-in NTFS support.
[02:13] <EvilIdler> My NIC is not connecting anywhere - gigabit network card with an RTL8169/8110s chipset that I've been trying to get working for days now.
[02:13] <EvilIdler> It works in two other computers here - my fileserver has the exact same card.
[02:13] <EvilIdler> The server is also running Ubuntu
[02:18] <Hobbsee> !info amarok-arts dapper
[02:19] <ubotu> amarok-arts: aRts engine for the amaroK audio player. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.3.9-0ubuntu4 (dapper), package size 59 kB, installed size 280 kB
[02:19] <Jucato> hm... forgot to check backports for Kopete again
[02:20] <Jucato> nope, still not there. Maybe they're going to release Kopete and Konvi at the same time?
[02:21] <EvilIdler> Gah, starting to suspect a broken motherboard/PCI slots here :/
[02:22] <ubuntu> hello every body
[02:25] <Jucato> hi
[02:26] <flaccid> i change settings for kdm in kcontrol and they don't appear to all come through
[02:26] <flaccid> is there a file kubuntu is overwriting?
[02:27] <Jucato> flaccid: i was asking you whether the settings you changed were in "KDM THemen Manager" or in "Login Manager" in KControl or System Settings
[02:27] <Jucato> What are the different kinds of themes in KDE? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1255036&postcount=3What are the different kinds of themes in KDE? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1255036&postcount=3
[02:28] <Jucato> hmm...
[02:28] <Jucato> flaccid: sorry about that.
[02:28] <Jucato> s/ Themen/ Theme
[02:29] <Jucato> flaccid: the settings in "Login Manager" won't take effect or be seen if KDM is still using a theme
[02:29] <gan|y|med> hi
[02:29] <flaccid> how do i not use a theme for kdm?
[02:29] <Jucato> and KDM themes can only be disabled or enabled by editing a config file or by installing "kdmtheme" so that a KDM Theme Manager option would be added in KControl
[02:30] <flaccid> ok i install it
[02:30] <gan|y|med> access to my firewire harddisk (copying) gives me 25 mb/s on the fat32 partition, but only 1.5 mb/s on the reiserfs and the ext2 partition. why?
[02:31] <Fade> gan|y|med: look at what's happening with iostat
[02:31] <Fade> it is in the systat package.
[02:31] <gan|y|med> Fade: how do i do that?
[02:32] <Fade> sysstat, sorry.
[02:32] <Fade> well, you install sysstat pacakge , kick off a file transfer to your firewire disk, and then in another terminal start iostat
[02:33] <Fade> like this: iostat 1
[02:33] <Fade> and it will update every second. the stats will show you what the system knows about the iostate of the kernel.
[02:34] <gan|y|med> what shall i look at?
[02:34] <Fade> well, it'll tell you what the processor is spending its time doing.
[02:35] <Fade> it'll give the breakdown of the %user %nice %system %iowait %steal %idle
[02:35] <Fade> I suspect the relevant statistic is iowait.
[02:35] <Fade> is the system heavily loaded?
[02:35] <gan|y|med> no
[02:36] <Fade> I've never seen ext2 underperform fat32 on any disk. :)
[02:36] <gan|y|med> iowait is 88,89 % for reiserfs and 34,00 % for fat32
[02:36] <gan|y|med> ?
[02:37] <Fade> what is the relative throughput on reiser?
[02:37] <database> OK, I found the problem.
[02:37] <gan|y|med> which ine is it?
[02:38] <gan|y|med> one
[02:38] <gan|y|med> Blk_wrtn/s ?
[02:38] <database> My problem was caused by trying to set up both screens properly.
[02:38] <Fade> well, it'll measure blks/second read and right underneath the cpureport.
[02:38] <Fade> s/right/write
[02:38] <Fade> are you writing or reading?
[02:39] <gan|y|med> write to the reiserfs and the fat32 on the ieee device from a reiserfs (for both)
[02:39] <database> When dual-screening instead of cloning, KDM's GUI won't start, and switching sessions to the X server won't work.
[02:39] <Fade> if you start it with the -m option it will show the throughput in megabytes/sec
[02:39] <Fade> for each partition.
[02:40] <Fade> has anybody noticed that amarok is broken on a recent update in dapper?
[02:41] <gan|y|med> okay, it happens only in the direction hda to sda. sda to hda works with 25mb/s
[02:41] <Fade> my guess is that your ide controller isn't all it should be. :)
[02:41] <Fade> or the driver for it.
[02:42] <gan|y|med> and now?
[02:43] <Fade> is dma turned on for hda?
[02:43] <gan|y|med> yes. and i don't have any problem copying things within the hda partitions
[02:44] <gan|y|med> go to #paste to see my hdparm output
[02:45] <SonicChao> repaste?
[02:45] <SonicChao> I just joined, gan|y|med
[02:46] <gan|y|med> so i can read from sda without problems, but i cannot write to it
[02:47] <SonicChao> Hm...
[02:48] <gan|y|med> Fade: any idea?
[02:50] <Fade> you're going to have to google for your setup and see if anybody else has reported anything similar.
[02:50] <gan|y|med> I#ll do
[02:50] <gan|y|med> any other idea what it could be
[02:50] <Fade> check the mount options
[02:50] <gan|y|med> what is noatime?
[02:51] <Fade> by default reiser is quite conservative.
[02:51] <gan|y|med> but the same for ext2?
[02:51] <Fade> no
[02:51] <gan|y|med> for reiser and for ext2 the options in fstab are: defaults,noauto,rw,exec,sync,user
[02:52] <Fade> take the 'sync' option out
[02:52] <gan|y|med> but then i could lose data
[02:52] <Fade> with a journaled filesystem the odds of that are long indeed, but this is just an experiment.
[02:52] <Fade> you shouldn't be using ext2 anyhow.
[02:53] <gan|y|med> no option
[02:53] <gan|y|med> now it works. but isn't this fake?
[02:53] <Fade> I don't understand your question. 'fake' how?
[02:55] <gan|y|med> i thought sync means it does not buffer things, like linux shows things to have been copied, but they are finally copied when you umount. that's why it is so dangerous when you get a system crash
[02:55] <Fade> I don't know who you have been talking to, but that isn't how asynchronous filesystems work.
[02:56] <gan|y|med> okay
[02:56] <Fade> yes, data is buffered (your disk probably has several megabytes of cache in hardware)
[02:56] <gan|y|med> 8mb
[02:56] <Fade> but it is written out when the disk bus is quiescent.
[02:56] <Fade> not when the disk is unmounted.
[02:56] <Fade> in practice that works out to a few times a second.
[02:57] <gan|y|med> but shouldn't it work with syncing, too.
[02:57] <fdoving> you can read about sync if you got to man:/usr/share/man/man8/sync.8.gz in konq.
[02:57] <Fade> the sync option turns off caching, which means every operation goes straight down the bus to the platters.
[02:58] <fdoving> :)
[02:58] <gan|y|med> which is the standard for windows as this is meant to avoid data loss
[02:58] <Fade> well, not quite
[02:58] <giovanni> ciao
[02:58] <Fade> fat32 is about as dumb as a filesystem gets.
[02:59] <RawSewage> VENICE (Reuters) - Queen Elizabeth was unable to comprehend the British public's grief at Princess Diana's death in 1997, but was finally convinced to cast aside stiff royal protocol by British Prime Minister Tony Blair, a new film suggests.
[02:59] <RawSewage> AHH
[02:59] <RawSewage> wrong channel
[02:59] <Fade> there's just no notion in the driver of (a)syncronicity, so it uses the hardware caching no matter what.
[02:59] <RawSewage> I knew I'd do that eventually
[02:59] <Jucato> lol
[03:00] <Jucato> RawSewage: link please? :-D
[03:00] <RawSewage> lol
[03:00] <RawSewage> http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/reuters/entertainment/~3/18579849/newsarticle.aspx
[03:00] <Jucato> heheh thanks!
[03:02] <Fade> gan|y|med: capice?
[03:06] <gan|y|med> sorry, had to change place
[03:06] <moustafa> Hello every body
[03:07] <moustafa> I am from Egypt cairo , Pyramids st.
[03:07] <moustafa> 18 male
[03:07] <gan|y|med> Fade: yes, it is not that difficult. but why is it then that the cache is shown as disabled in winxp no matter what the fs is?
[03:08] <moustafa> any strong girl here?
[03:08] <Fade> you'd have to ask in #windows. I have no idea.
[03:08] <Fade> moustafa: are you serious? lol
[03:08] <gan|y|med> lol? why?
[03:09] <gan|y|med> okay, i think i don't need to know it that urgent
[03:09] <gan|y|med> ly
[03:09] <CVirus> moustafa: dont act like an arab teenager
[03:09] <moustafa> Shall i enter your paradise Senioreta?
[03:09] <Fade> rotfl
[03:09] <gan|y|med> what the hell is going on here?
[03:10] <CVirus> gan|y|med: a dirty arab wants to have cyber fun
[03:10] <moustafa> is that the w.c?
[03:10] <moustafa> hehehheheheh
[03:10] <moustafa> hey hey
[03:10] <moustafa> i am a poss
[03:10] <moustafa> smart
[03:10] <moustafa> i just fun with people here
[03:11] <moustafa> i need help
[03:11] <gan|y|med> so you think that he comes to a channel of a system that barely 2 % of all pc users use for anything related to sex?
[03:11] <CVirus> moustafa: this channel isnt meant for fun .. its meant for support
[03:11] <moustafa> i installed java
[03:11] <moustafa> but i want to turn it on
[03:11] <moustafa> to can build sites
[03:11] <moustafa> in ubuntu
[03:11] <gan|y|med> is java in the repos?
[03:11] <moustafa> heheheheh
[03:12] <moustafa> in the shell
[03:12] <Fade> moustafa is arabic for 'troll'
[03:12] <loginov> j norilsk
[03:12] <moustafa> thanks for helping me
[03:13] <fdoving> moustafa: could you please compose a one line question, with the description and some useful information about your problem?
[03:13] <moustafa> Great
[03:13] <moustafa> i need to install java for my Linux ubuntu
[03:13] <fdoving> !java
[03:13] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[03:14] <moustafa> thanks alot
[03:14] <fdoving> you're welcome.
[03:14] <Fade> in irc everybody is autistic. ;)
[03:14] <moustafa> thank you
[03:15] <Fade> ham?  I've never had a problem with nvidia.
[03:21] <Fade> except on 'unusal' platforms like powerpc where nobody releases the damn drivers.
[03:21] <Fade> amd bought ati
[03:21] <gan|y|med> Fade: you use ubuntu on a powerpc?
[03:21] <Fade> yes
[03:21] <gan|y|med> brave
[03:22] <Fade> OS X is a terrible unix, and I need a good toolchain to do my work.
[03:22] <fdoving> i use kubuntu on powerpc too. :)'
[03:22] <arkygeek> i am trying to get aiglx on mine... not easy though
[03:22] <arkygeek> cant get direct rendering to work
[03:22] <Fade> it's solid, but there are some integration issues, and there are a few quirks with ubuntu (as opposed to debian) that kind of bug me.
[03:23] <Fade> for one, it isn't totally clear what the 'standard' proceedure is for generating a custom kernel is.
[03:23] <Fade> i've been doing it raw debian style.. but things like the splash screen break, even when reusing the ubuntu kernel configs.
[03:24] <Fade> arkygeek: I don't have any advice for you, unfortunately.
[03:24] <gan|y|med> i do it the traditional kernel kind of way always
[03:25] <gan|y|med> and i dont like splash screens. i wanna see what is going on
[03:25] <doogers> helloooo
[03:25] <doogers> Let's go back!
[03:26] <Fade> I know what's going on for the most part, but the fact that it's there by default and breaks if you change to a custom kernel bothers me.
[03:28] <gan|y|med> what bothers me more is the lack of speed compared to "other" systems
[03:28] <Fade> gan|y|med: ellaborate
[03:28] <Fade> are you an ex-gentoo user? :)
[03:29] <Brabery> hi guys
[03:29] <Brabery> how can i get connect to a efnet server
[03:29] <Fade> what client?
[03:29] <gan|y|med> no
[03:29] <Brabery> Konversation
[03:30] <Fade> try /server irc.efnet.net
[03:30] <gan|y|med> but i use initng now (gentoo origin)
[03:32] <Brabery> gr8... i could connect to efnet...
[03:32] <Brabery> but can i get a list of avail channels like in MIRC?
[03:33] <Fade> window->channel list for <network>
[03:34] <Brabery> gr8... thanks for ur help
[03:34] <Fade> n'p
[03:35] <gan|y|med> and i learnt sth. :)
[03:36] <Fade> sth?
[03:36] <gan|y|med> the channel stuff
[03:37] <gan|y|med> ich lese gerade "gefhle lesen" von paul ekman
[03:37] <gan|y|med> ups
[03:37] <gan|y|med> sorry, wrong window
[03:37] <Jack_Sparrow> Hello all.  How do I not show part and join info in Konversation?
[03:38] <Fade> 'configure notifications'
[03:40] <Fade> 'configure konversation'>chat window>hide join/part/nick events
[03:40] <Jack_Sparrow> thanks fade
[03:40] <Jack_Sparrow> will look now
[03:41] <Jack_Sparrow> fade I dont see that option there
[03:42] <Jack_Sparrow> duh
[03:42] <Jack_Sparrow> I see it now..
[03:42] <Jack_Sparrow> two chat window sections in there.. didnt see that before..  Thanks..
[03:42] <misieq> how do i enable my multimedia keys on keyboard? (like next, home page, vol up etc.)
[03:43] <Lynoure> misieq: in my case it was a matter of choosing the right keyboard type from the settings
[03:44] <Fade> misieq: system settings -> regional and accessibility -> keyboard shortcuts
[03:44] <misieq> Fade: the problem is it's not "reading" the keys
[03:44] <LetzeTeil> hiya
[03:44] <LetzeTeil> someone inthere?
[03:44] <atidem> misieq: use xmodmap
[03:44] <Lynoure> misieq: system settings -> regional and accessibility -> keyboard layout
[03:45] <Lynoure> misieq: can you find yours under Keyboard model?
[03:45] <LetzeTeil> i have to install a software but my libc is not sufficiently update. It is safe to upgrade it from warty?
[03:46] <misieq> i have trust 305 ks deskset, i'll try with trust direct access
[03:47] <misieq> i think it works :) when i press next on kb it says "xf86audionext" :)
[03:47] <misieq> thanks
[03:48] <database> Hey, juts out of interest...
[03:48] <database> *just
[03:48] <database> Is there a command-line CD player, that you can get through apt-get?
[03:48] <misieq> can't you search apt for cd player?
[03:49] <database> Uhh... I could try. :p
[03:49] <fdoving> database: abcde is nice.
[03:49] <fdoving> database:'apt-cache search cd player' is also nice.
[03:50] <database> Heh, OK.
[03:51] <milian_> is there an alternative to kompose ?
[03:52] <Fade> what is kompose?
[03:52] <misieq> !kompose
[03:52] <ubotu> kompose: full screen task manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.3-1.3 (dapper), package size 92 kB, installed size 432 kB
[03:52] <milian_> right
[03:52] <Skrot> misieq: You get a kompose-like feature with xgl/aiglx and compiz
[03:52] <Lynoure> milian_: What should be different about it?
[03:53] <misieq> Skrot: i wasn't asking, milian_ was ;)
[03:53] <Skrot> oh, right
[03:53] <Skrot> sorry
[03:53] <milian_> there is a bug in either kompose or xvkbd because when I try to show kompose via the shell it is run *very often* and my pc eventually crashes
[03:53] <milian_> this only happens whith kompose (like katapult and such do work perfectly)
[03:54] <milian_> i want to map kompose on one of my mouse buttons...
[03:54] <milian_> or is there anyone who could try to do what i do and say, if this happens to him aswell ?
[03:54] <milian_> maybe it's just my stupid pc...
[03:54] <jmichaelx> does anyone here use or know anything about 'gtkpod'?
[03:55] <Lynoure> milian_: you can use e.g. the applet to set the frequencies. I'm not sure what you meant by "show kompose via the shell"
[03:55] <misieq> jmichaelx: i know something :) it's utility to connect to your ipod ;P
[03:55] <jmichaelx> lol
[03:55] <Mehercle> need video editing software
[03:55] <misieq> !kino
[03:55] <ubotu> kino: Non-linear editor for Digital Video data. In component main, is extra. Version 0.80-1ubuntu7 (dapper), package size 1071 kB, installed size 3616 kB
[03:55] <Mehercle> thx
[03:56] <jmichaelx> misieq: i am trying to add a video podcast to my ipod using gtkpod, and i cannot for the life of me figure out how to do that
[03:56] <misieq> jmichaelx: i don't have an ipood nor do i use the util, but i'll try to help..
[03:56] <misieq> oh, haven't seen
[03:56] <misieq> jmichaelx: you tried ipod: kioslave?
[03:57] <milian_> Lynoure: I set up kompose to show via the global shortcut "alt + shift + w" - via the shell I can now do the following: `xvkbd -text "\AW"` - which is the same as pressing those buttons
[03:57] <jmichaelx> misieq: my impression is tthat gtkpod is not fully functional
[03:57] <misieq> jmichaelx: you might be right ;)
[03:57] <fabio> ciao
[03:57] <jmichaelx> i installed ipod kioslave, but have not used it (nor do i know how lol)
[03:57] <misieq> have you tried ipod: kioslave?
[03:57] <misieq> in konqueror type "ipod:/"
[03:58] <misieq> !ipod
[03:58] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto
[03:58] <jmichaelx> ty misi
[03:58] <milian_> Lynoure: what do you mean by "use the applet to set the frequencies" ?
[03:58] <Lynoure> milian_: sounds like a quite slow way, what do you use it for?
[03:58] <misieq> jmichaelx: np.
[03:59] <milian_> Lynoure: To map the 10th button of my MX1000 button to kompose
[03:59] <milian_> (via xbindkeys)
[03:59] <Fade> what is the default activation key for katapult?
[03:59] <misieq> Fade: alt+space
[03:59] <milian_> alt + space ?
[04:00] <Fade> thx
[04:00] <jmichaelx> misieq: ipod kioslave gave the error "we are not able to handle podcasts right now"
[04:00] <jmichaelx> lol
[04:00] <Ryoga85> why am I banned in #kubuntu-de ?
[04:00] <misieq> jmichaelx: then you have your answer
[04:00] <Lynoure> milian_: the Global shortcuts go not work for that?
[04:00] <Lynoure> s/go/do
[04:00] <jmichaelx> my answer is 'do not use ipod with linux'
[04:00] <jmichaelx> lol
[04:00] <Roldyx> hello
[04:01] <misieq> jmichaelx: no, my answer is do not use ipood ;)
[04:01] <jmichaelx> misieq: if that is what you want :-P
[04:01] <Roldyx> i have ubuntu brezzy, and i want dapper
[04:01] <misieq> !dapper
[04:01] <ubotu> dapper is the 4th and latest release of Ubuntu. Version 6.06 LTS, codename "Dapper Drake"
[04:01] <Roldyx> how to update?
[04:01] <fdoving> !upgrade
[04:01] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/BreezyUpgrade  Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DapperUpgrades  Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development version.
[04:02] <milian_> Lynoure: No - the command I showed you (`xvkbd -text "\AW"`) does work - but it looks like it sends the key event on and on - kompose doesnt stop showing up and my pc crashes eventually
[04:02] <milian_> because other programs work I thought it was a kompose bug - but I am not sure...
[04:03] <misieq> jmichaelx: is that what you want? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/iPodVideoTransferring
[04:03] <Ryoga85> I have a question. how to connect to a WPA protected WLAN with kubuntu?
[04:03] <misieq> jmichaelx: or this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/iPodVideo
[04:04] <Lynoure> milian_: that is not the default shortcut for kompose, win+tab is, so I cannot try yours now
[04:04] <jmichaelx> misieq: may be..... thanks for going out of your way to help. i will read both of those
[04:05] <milian_> Lynoure: If you want to use my combo and test it: It's Alt + Shift + W (which is "\AW" for xvkbd)
[04:05] <misieq> !mpeg4ip
[04:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mpeg4ip - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:05] <Fade> Ryoga85: it isn't possible except with some very specific wifi cards.
[04:05] <Mehercle> **ERROR: [yuvscaler]  Could'nt read YUV4MPEG header!
[04:05] <Fade> most of the wifi implementations in the 802.11g world are sekret.
 I have an Intel chipset
[04:06] <Fade> intel might work.
[04:06] <Fade> try configuring it with the wireless assistant.
[04:06] <Ryoga85> well
[04:07] <Ryoga85> it works great with unprotectednetworks and WEP encryption, but I found no way to configure the WPA encryption
[04:07] <fdoving> there is no way to configure WPA with wireless assistant.
[04:07] <fdoving> what card do you have?
[04:07] <Fade> you'll have to google it. wpa has lagged the other types because of driver issues.
[04:07] <Lynoure> milian_: Sorry, not wanting to shuffle shortcuts now. hmm
[04:07] <milian_> no problem, thanks anyways
[04:08] <Fade> for instance, the airport extreme card in my powerbook doesn't work even with wep.
[04:08] <Mehercle> can someone  help me with this :  **ERROR: [yuvscaler]  Could'nt read YUV4MPEG header!
[04:08] <milian_> I'll try skippy now - does seem to be something similar
[04:08] <fdoving> Ryoga85: take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo
[04:08] <Fade> but works for open nets.
 Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG
[04:08] <fdoving> Fade: i'm currently using airport extreme with WPA.
[04:08] <Faed> what kernel?
[04:08] <fdoving> current edgy. but it has been working since dapper.
[04:09] <fdoving> all you need is wpa-supplicant.
[04:09] <fdoving> then follow the howto.
[04:09] <Ryoga85> wpa-supplicant?
[04:09] <fildo> fade. what channel u running it on ?
[04:10] <fildo> i had issues with an ipw2100 on my toshiba wif kubuntu
[04:10] <fildo> but @ the end i need to install wifi-radar
[04:10] <fildo> n change my linksys to chan 1
[04:10] <fildo> and it worked
[04:10] <Fade> I've tried it on several, but so far haven't been able to get it working.
[04:11] <fildo> u on dapper
[04:11] <fildo> ?
[04:11] <Fade> yeah
[04:11] <fildo> is it internal or external
[04:11] <fildo> wifi
[04:11] <Fade> I've actually been considering moving up to the dev release
[04:11] <fildo> external as in pcmcia
[04:11] <Fade> it's an internal airport. broadcom 4603, iirc.
[04:12] <fildo> is it configured
[04:12] <Fade> both internal and external cards connect to pcmcia bus, I think.
[04:12] <fildo> can u iwlist scanning ?
[04:12] <Fade> yeah, the driver sees it. I can see networks.
[04:12] <fildo> hmm
[04:12] <fildo> drv. issue for sure
[04:12] <fildo> i had to flash mine, for fedora
[04:13] <fildo> but on kubuntu worked straight away
[04:13] <Fade> it works on open nets.
[04:13] <fildo> explain open nets?
[04:13] <Fade> although wireless assistant fails to connect every time.
[04:13] <Fade> non-wep non-wpa
[04:13] <jmichaelx> misieq: i got the video podcast to transfer finally, but it does not show up on the ipod the way it should. at least it is there, though
[04:13] <Fade> I can connect using networkmanager or manually.
[04:13] <fildo> whats ur /etc/network/interfaces
[04:13] <fildo> have for the device
[04:13] <jmichaelx> misieq: thanks for the links
[04:14] <fdoving> Fade: networkmanager supports WPA.
[04:14] <Fade> well, I'll give it another crack when I get some time.
[04:14] <fildo> it dose
[04:14] <J-a-r> I'm running my Airport extreme(Atheros) in my mac mini with dapper and wpa_supplicant and it even performs better than with MacOSX for some reason.
[04:15] <fildo> lol
[04:15] <fildo> strange J-a-r
[04:15] <Fade> is there a 'building custom kernels' howto for ubuntu?
[04:15] <fildo> i would run 0sx
[04:15] <fildo> but depends what mac
[04:15] <J-a-r> Yea it's very strange but I don't complain. :)
[04:15] <Fade> bleh. os x is teh crap. :)
[04:15] <fildo> indeeed
[04:16] <fildo> *nix so much better
[04:16] <fildo> then any os in the world
[04:16] <fildo> n kde for desktop management
[04:16] <Fade> fdoving: do you have a decent flashplayer on your ubuntu/ppc setup?
[04:17] <Fade> plan9 > unix > osx > $everything_else
[04:19] <fdoving> Fade: no, and i don't want one either. (i don't like flash)
[04:19] <ubuntu> can any one tell me what program do you use and watch tv with, i have a hauppauge wintv card
[04:20] <Fade> I don't like it either, but more and more of the web is becoming unseeable without it.
[04:20] <Fade> ubuntu -- I like mythtv
[04:20] <Ryoga85> motv or something
[04:20] <Ryoga85> i'm not at mypc so I can't check
[04:20] <Ryoga85> sorry
[04:21] <Mnabil>  is there a 'building custom kernels' howto for ubuntu??
[04:21] <Fade> kdetv is pretty good if you just want to look at channels.
[04:21] <Fade> Mnabil: excellent question! do you know the answer? :)
[04:21] <ubuntu> cant seem to get the channels tuned in
[04:21] <fdoving> Mnabil: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/forum/software/CustomKernel
[04:22] <Fade> xawtv is the most basic player. some options for dealing with tuning issues.
[04:22] <noyou> Hello, with an 80GB Hard Disk. How should I make my partitions? I want multiple ones. you know ,one for /usr, one for /home, one for /etc... etc..
[04:22] <Mnabil> Fade, no ,
[04:22] <Fade> I only ask because I asked about ten minutes ago. fdoving: thx
[04:22] <Jucato> one for / (root), one for swap, one for /home <--- the most basic
[04:22] <Fade> amarok is totally busted.
[04:23] <fdoving> Fade: you can checkout swf-player, and libflash-mozplugin - haven't tested either of them myself thouh.
[04:23] <fdoving> +g
[04:23] <Jucato> Fade: what do you mean?
[04:23] <Fade> yeah. they don't work.
[04:23] <Fade> jucato -- it won't start. loops on an sqlite call at startup. I filed a bug earlier today.
[04:23] <Fade> at least on powerpc.
[04:24] <Jucato> aah
[04:24] <fdoving> Fade: what version of amarok?
[04:24] <Fade> ii  amarok               1.4.2-0ubuntu2~dappe versatile and easy to use audio player for KDE
[04:24] <Jucato> Fade: from Kubuntu.org?
[04:24] <fdoving>  amarok | 2:1.4.2-0ubuntu3
[04:24] <fdoving> works nicely on edgy.
[04:25] <Fade> I'm moving to edgy. what do the sourcelines look like?
[04:25] <Jucato> works also in Dapper
[04:25] <Jucato> it's probably a PPC issue?
[04:25] <Fade> well, I can prove conclusively that it doesn't work on this instance of dapper.
[04:25] <Fade> it might be a ppc issue.
[04:25] <abattoir> Fade: could you paste the error messages? on pastebin?
[04:26] <ubuntu> whats the best for you Ubuntu or Kubuntu
[04:26] <Fade> it's in the bugreport.
[04:26] <Jucato> Fade: bug report # please?
[04:26] <Jucato> if you would be so kind
[04:26] <Jucato> :-D
[04:26] <abattoir> Fade: the link for that please?
[04:26] <Fade> 'sec
[04:26] <Jucato> eheh
[04:27] <fdoving> fade, jucato, i run that on edgy powerpc.
[04:27] <Jucato> fdoving: I think he's running Dapper
[04:27] <Fade> what's the apt line to move to edgy from dapper?
[04:28] <Jucato> Fade: not recommended to use as your main OS
[04:28] <abattoir> Fade: edgy to dapper or dapper to edgy?
[04:28] <abattoir> oops sorry, my mistake
[04:28] <ubuntu> im using live cd and want to know which ones best Gnome Ubuntu & KDE Kubuntu
[04:28] <Fade> dapper -> edgy
[04:28] <ubuntu> so i can install it
[04:28] <Jucato> ubuntu: it's a matter of personal preference. but since you asked in the #kubuntu channel...
[04:28] <abattoir> ubuntu: hi, you are in #kubuntu, so, we'd say Kubuntu :)
[04:30] <ubuntu> ok
[04:30] <Fade> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/58566
[04:30] <heinkel_111> ubuntu: this is like stepping into the church, and ask if there are any believers :)
[04:31] <Fade> there must be a howto that gives the apt sources to dist-upgrade to edgy.
[04:31] <Fade> !upgrade
[04:31] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://help.ubuntu.com/community/BreezyUpgrade  Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DapperUpgrades  Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development version.
[04:31] <fdoving> Fade: as jucato says, moving to dapper is not recommended unless you're know your way around apt-get/dpkg.
[04:31] <fdoving> Fade: and expect some problems.
[04:31] <noyou> I'm gonna create these partitions: /, /tmp, /var, /usr, /usr/local, /home. Whats the advisable size for an 80gb disk? Please, I'm on the livecd right now, waiting for answers :P
[04:31] <Fade> I've been a debian user for ten years.
[04:31] <Jucato> Fade: and expect almost daily updates
[04:31] <ubuntu> i have used so many this week, SUSE, Ubuntu, knoppix, drapper, etc
[04:32] <Fade> well, nine.
[04:32] <fdoving> noyou: is this going to be a desktop machine?
[04:32] <noyou> fdoving: yes.
[04:32] <fdoving> noyou: multiple users or more or less one?
[04:32] <noyou> fdoving: more or less one :P
[04:32] <Fade> is the tree tagged 'edgy'?
[04:33] <aliasfred> nfs over 100mbit ethernet is nice :)
[04:34] <Fade> it's even nicer over 10G/E. ;)
[04:35] <fdoving> noyou: then i would ask you to reconsider the number of partitions. I would recommend having / and /home basically.  then i suggest symlinking or mount --bind'ing /usr/local to /home/usrlocal or similar, that way you can reinstall keeping the data on /home unformatted, and format the / partition without loosing /usr/local and /home.
[04:35] <fdoving> nfs rocks over 11mbit wlan too :)
[04:35] <noyou> I see. Thanks.
[04:38] <gan|y|med> site?
[04:38] <ubuntu> i run a boys football team and have a website i keep up to date, do any one no of any good HTML editors which are each to use like MS Frontpage
[04:39] <Jucato> Nvu or Quanta+ (Quanta Plus) or Bluefish
[04:39] <gan|y|med> try quanta
[04:39] <gan|y|med> bluefish is not frontpaghe liek
[04:39] <gan|y|med> like
[04:39] <Jucato> aah sorry
[04:39] <gan|y|med> but very good
[04:39] <ubuntu> easy to use
[04:39] <gan|y|med> but has some speed issues
[04:39] <aliasfred> q. is there a good tools to hide all the historical complexity of nfs configuration ?
[04:40] <Fade> screem is apparently pretty clicky.
[04:40] <aliasfred> looking
[04:41] <aliasfred> oh the fade answer wasnt for me :)
[04:41] <Jucato> ehehe
[04:41] <aliasfred> dont laught, im desapointed :)
[04:42] <Jucato> ok.. sorry :)
[04:42] <ubuntu> the other thing is i need to copy my site from my 1st harddrive on my second on but i cant mount it ?
[04:42] <gan|y|med> specify "can't mountit"
[04:43] <ubuntu> i have 2 harddrives, one windows (crap) and the 2nd with Kubuntu
[04:44] <ubuntu> bu Kubuntu will not let me view the windows drive
[04:44] <ubuntu> but
[04:46] <ubuntu> comes up with "can not mount device"
[04:46] <fdoving> aliasfred: do you have 'kdenetwork-filesharing'  installed? it has a nice right-click on directory -> share thing.. supports nfs and samba.
[04:46] <ubuntu> no
[04:47] <ubuntu> dont have it installed
[04:48] <darius> kubuntu-fr
[04:49] <darius> bonsoir a tous
[04:50] <shinryu> Bonsoir ^
[04:50] <shinryu> ^^
[04:50] <Admiral_Chicago> darius, bonjour. it n'a y pas soir ici
[04:50] <Admiral_Chicago> blah, horrible french....
[04:50] <shinryu> lol
[04:50] <darius> ricain pas terrible
[04:51] <darius> alors tu peux parler
[04:51] <Jucato> hmm...
[04:51] <aliasfred> fdoving: oh this one is for me. thanks i will look
[04:51] <aliasfred> !fr
[04:51] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[04:51] <sleeptyper> any news about the ability to run 32b in 64b (k)ubuntu ?
[04:52] <fdoving> aliasfred: you get a kcm module named 'fileshare' to configure the system. 'kcmshell filesharing' or use kcontrol, it doesn't appear in system settings.
[04:53] <fdoving> just for the record.
[04:54] <Jucato> I wonder if the time will come when you can edit/adjust System Settings modules, like you could KControl...
[04:54] <fdoving> you can, it's open source :)
[04:54] <fdoving> i like 'kcmshell' :)
[04:55] <fdoving> kcmshell --list, and kcmshell modulename
[04:55] <fdoving> :)
[04:55] <Fade> well, maconlinux is the bomb shit.
[04:55] <Jucato> fdoving: yeah. but I mean, KControl has KControlEdit. Wonder when System Settings will have SystemSettingsEdit
[04:55] <Jucato> (what a long name)
[04:57] <fdoving> good question, the default kcontrol is a mess when you first start to use it.
[04:57] <goi> am leaving linux, goodbye kubuntu/linux for ever :D
[04:57] <Jucato> anyway, the new System Settings is great!
[04:57] <fdoving> goi: bye.
[04:57] <goi> hello user friendly windows but no packet injection os -_-
[04:57] <Jucato> bye goi! have fun wherever your road takes you
[04:57] <goi> lol
[04:57] <goi> o0
[04:58] <sleeptyper> only userfriendly Windows is the one left uninstalled :P
[04:59] <Jucato> I found Win98 to be a bit user friendly. eheheh!
[04:59] <fdoving> i find kubuntu userfriendly :)
[04:59] <gan|y|med> i find kubuntu userfriendly and slow
[05:00] <Peaker> They all have their quirks, however people are much more tolerant to Windows quirks.. Probably cause they're used to them and know how to work around them
[05:00] <Skrot> i find kubuntu userfriendly and fast enough ;)
[05:00] <gan|y|med> and btw, you can make things userunfriendly by trying to improve them. happened with m$, happened with kubuntu
[05:00] <gan|y|med> look at konqueror
[05:01] <Jucato> ???
[05:01] <Skrot> Peaker: That's my theory as well
[05:01] <fdoving> .. anyway #kubuntu-offtopic for non-support related social chatting.
[05:01] <gan|y|med> look at the network module for kcontrol
[05:01] <Skrot> What about konqueror? And how did *kubuntu* make it unusable? :)
[05:01] <Skrot> I love konqi :)
[05:01] <emanuelt> kubuntu can replace win xp and the vista
[05:01] <Jucato> fdoving: don't you just wish we could move conversations like we move threads in the forums? eheheh
[05:01] <Peaker> Konqueror is awsome. Best browser out there
[05:02] <gan|y|med> okay, i am not allowed to talk here. but just compare konq in etch and dapper... btw. i like kubuntu, that doesn't mean i am blind
[05:02] <fdoving> Jucato: i can move users :)
[05:02] <Jucato> fdoving: lol
[05:02] <Skrot> gan|y|med: I've tried both. Konqueror looks exactly the same here..
[05:02] <fdoving> but i'm just too nice.
[05:02] <rohan> the kubuntu.org site says that there are newer versions of k3b and ktorrent available in backports .. i dont find then in dist-upgrade
[05:02] <gan|y|med> no it doesnt
[05:02] <rohan> what figures ?
[05:02] <gan|y|med> i have both runnning
[05:02] <Jucato> gan|y|med: you can talk here, just not about that topic :-D
[05:02] <Skrot> gan|y|med: I dist-upgraded my dapper though, so my old settings are intact
[05:03] <Jucato> rohan: by any chance, are you using au.archive.ubuntu.com?
[05:03] <rohan> Jucato: no. just archive.ubuntu.com
[05:03] <gan|y|med> that's what i meant. sry for my verbal inaccuracy
[05:03] <Skrot> How kubuntu is improving/getting worse is a valid discussion for #kubuntu imo
[05:03] <Jucato> rohan: make sure that "dapper-backports" is enabled
[05:03] <Skrot> gan|y|med: What have they done to konqueror in edgy to make it less userfriendly?
[05:03] <rohan> Jucato: it is
[05:04] <fdoving> Skrot: #kubuntu is for support, #kubuntu-devel for development, #kubuntu-offtopic for other stuff.
[05:04] <rohan> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-backports main restricted universe
[05:04] <Jucato> did you "sudo apt-get update" after you enabled it? and don't "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[05:04] <gan|y|med> well, then look at the profile management. standard in kubuntu breezy was to disable profile loading (changed in dapper, an improvement), but there still only two profiles
[05:04] <rohan> Jucato: yes, i did both
[05:05] <gan|y|med> i don't use edgy. sry, i need a stable system here
[05:05] <Skrot> gan|y|med: okay, I've got to admit I don't use profiles :>
[05:05] <Jucato> I use profiles. they're great. I don't use the default ones, though. I immediately make my own
[05:05] <Jucato> but that's just me..
[05:06] <Skrot> I too configure konqueror, but I don't go switching between profiles
[05:06] <fdoving> gan|y|med: you can make your own profiles. no restrictions on that part.
[05:06] <Jucato> gan|y|med: "sudo apt-get upgrade"?
[05:06] <Jucato> I think gan|y|med's issue is that there are only 2 profiles by default?
[05:06] <gan|y|med> it is not about who is right or wrong, it is just the way it is. some things shouldn't be touched unless you really have reason, not just pseudo user friendlyness. that is m$ behaviour. and i think most people here know this
[05:07] <gan|y|med> take the network module. it is useless
[05:07] <fdoving> gan|y|med: http://kubuntu.org/faq.php#konqueror
[05:07] <Jucato> which network module?
[05:07] <rohan> Jucato: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[05:07] <rohan> and k3b is still 0.12.14
[05:07] <rohan> anyone actually pulled in .17 from dapper-backports ?
[05:07] <gan|y|med> the one in kcontrol
[05:07] <Jucato> rohan: how about KTorrent?
[05:08] <rohan> Jucato: oh, i dont use ktorrent :)
[05:08] <jdong> rohan: there is no .17 in backports yet
[05:08] <rohan> i dont have it installed either
[05:08] <jdong> soyuz bug prevents it right now
[05:08] <Jucato> no k3b 0.17 in backports yet
[05:08] <jdong> working on fixing it
[05:08] <rohan> jdong: oh, the kubuntu site says so .. ok, no hurry :)
[05:08] <Jucato> rawr! ehehe
[05:08] <rohan> soyuz ?
[05:08] <jdong> rohan: launchpad build system
[05:08] <rohan> hehe
[05:08] <rohan> jdong: oh, ok :)
[05:08] <Jucato> jdong: is Riddel going to edit the announcement?
[05:08] <rohan> jdong: thanks for your and others' excellent work on the backports
[05:09] <Jucato> gan|y|med: Network Settings?
[05:09] <jdong> Jucato: I don't know... it will be accurate in a few days, so why bother :)
[05:09] <gan|y|med> yes
[05:09] <Jucato> lol
[05:09] <Jucato> gan|y|med: isn't that a part of KDE? not Kubuntu?
[05:10] <Jucato> AFAIK, "Network Settings" is from KDE. the only stuff that Kubuntu added are  the ones from kde-guidance
[05:10] <gan|y|med> i am just talking about userfriendlyness. i am not blaming kubuntu or kde. and i don't know who is responsible for not repairing it
[05:11] <Jucato> ah. but you were talking about one thing that Kubuntu touched, then talking about something Kubuntu didn't touch. so I was confused
[05:11] <gan|y|med> the issue is that one network connection blocks the other one (e.g. eth0 blocks eth1) and i cannot use the network module (not the manager for wlan!) to enable/disable connections
[05:12] <Jucato> ah I see...
[05:12] <Jucato> I've never had much use for KDE's network stuff...
[05:12] <lloyd> how do I show the "computer" icon in Kubuntu?
[05:12] <gan|y|med> even if i could, i don't get why one connections block the other. this is solved in winxp in a better way
[05:12] <fdoving> gan|y|med: did you report a bug about it?
[05:12] <Jucato> lloyd: the closest you could get would be a "system icon
[05:12] <lloyd> Jucato: thanks...where is it?
[05:13] <Jucato> lloyd: right-click on the desktop, select Create New > Link to location (URL)
[05:13] <gan|y|med> no. did not have the time. maybe i should. but the problem has been present since breezy at least
[05:13] <Jucato> lloyd: then in the "Enter link to location" field, type in "system no quotes
[05:13] <Jucato> gan|y|med: I think you should file it with KDE itself
[05:13] <fdoving> gan|y|med: if noone reports the bug its less likely it will be fixed.
[05:14] <Jucato> lloyd: name it whatever you like, the default would be "System" but you're free to call it "Computer"
[05:14] <gan|y|med> that's true
[05:14] <lloyd> Jucato: tells me malformed url
[05:14] <gan|y|med> any idea about the blocking?
[05:14] <Jucato> lloyd: sorry I meant system:/
[05:14] <Jucato> darn Auto replace...
[05:14] <lloyd> okay, hold one Jucato
[05:15] <lloyd> Jucato: perfect!  Thank you very much
[05:15] <fdoving> gan|y|med: i would need a better description on the blocking issue.
[05:16] <Jucato> lloyd: no problem! other "links" you can make are trash home and media
[05:16] <Jucato> media
[05:16] <fdoving> gan|y|med: reporting a bug would help alot.
[05:16] <Jucato> rawr
[05:16] <Jucato> media:/
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> xxx:/
[05:17] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:17] <Jucato> lol
[05:17] <lloyd> Jucato: again thx...really appreciate it...am a gnome fan myself, but am setting this up for a friend.  Windows is completely erased!!! another Linux convert (I didn't give him a choice)
[05:17] <Jucato> hahah
[05:17] <Jucato> good luck with that lloyd!
[05:17] <rohan> how do i tell reiserfsck to stop checking my disk on every 29 mounts on bootup ? its damn irritating !
[05:18] <aliasfred> tune2fs but the reseirfs version
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> you must be doing a lot of rebooting
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> 29 mounts is about once a month for me.
[05:18] <rohan> Dr_Willis: hehe, yes :D
[05:18] <gan|y|med> ifup eth0 block a running connection on eth1. only pc via eth0 are accessible, and vice versa. depends what is executed last
[05:18] <rohan> Dr_Willis: its about every 3 days for me ;)
[05:18] <secleinteer> rohan: edit fstab and change the 1 at the end of one of your mounts to a 0
[05:18] <Dr_Willis> rohan,  quit playing those windows games!
[05:18] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: heheh! I do an average of 1 boot per day
[05:19] <Jucato> but that's because I need to shutdown the PC every night
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,  yep. :P im always got the pc reencoding video - so this one runs for weeks on end.
[05:19] <secleinteer> has any1 heard of a problem where you install all the video codecs, and all you get for the video is a blue screen (but the audio works)?
[05:19] <rohan> Dr_Willis: lets just say i am forced to :P
[05:20] <rohan> secleinteer: no way to change it to like, check every 100 mounts or so ?
[05:20] <Jucato> Booting everyday is the reason why I sooo feel the slowness of Kubuntu's boot, with or without USplash...
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> rohan,  'everquest' is calling to you!
[05:20] <secleinteer> rohan: don't know, i just turn it off
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> that tunefs command can set the # to whatever ya want.
[05:20] <rohan> Dr_Willis: nah, my dad needs windows for his work..
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> rohan,  Bah! tell him to get his own pc!
[05:20] <Jucato> lol
[05:21] <rohan> Dr_Willis: hah, actually i am using _his_ pc ..  i dont have money to buy one for myself :D
[05:21] <Dr_Willis> start chargeing him for windows tech support..
[05:22] <rohan> Dr_Willis: lol ..
[05:23] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. I just noticed an Icon in my Firefox Bookmarks - thats animated...
[05:23] <Dr_Willis> Fancy Custome Icon Eye  candy!
[05:26] <secleinteer> lol
[05:26] <orangey> hey all!
[05:26] <secleinteer> sup
[05:26] <orangey> my kde-guidance is broken as per this bug: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/37275 (I reopened the bug), but it has been re-closed
[05:26] <orangey> I was wondering if maybe they meant that the fix lies in Edgy.
[05:27] <orangey> As such, where can I get a listing of the edgy packages so I can try to install just that one?
[05:27] <Admiral_Chicago> orangey, packages.ubuntu.org
[05:28] <Jucato> not really a good idea to mix packages...
[05:28] <Admiral_Chicago> packages.ubuntu.com/
[05:29] <orangey> thank you
[05:29] <Jucato> I mean from Edgy and Dapper
[05:29] <orangey> Jucato: it may not be, but I want to test the fix.
[05:29] <Jucato> ah
[05:29] <Admiral_Chicago> i just used -f instal lfor the first time
[05:29] <Admiral_Chicago> fixed a problem apparently
[05:31] <CNote> hello, I'm fairly new to KUbuntu, and am having issues with my ipw3945 wireless adapter...I've read quite a bit of info on the forums, but I am having an issue, with the driver loaded that it still can't find the card, almost as if it is not working properly, this is on a Lenovo T60P
[05:32] <orangey> hmmm. where are the edgy source .deb files?
[05:32] <aliasfred> i think my network card is producing noise :)
[05:32] <orangey> or are they not .deb files?
[05:32] <aliasfred> should i worry ? :)
[05:33] <habeeb> Is there xgl+compiz for KDE?
[05:33] <Admiral_Chicago> habeeb, yes
[05:33] <habeeb> Admiral_Chicago: any chance for a howto url?
[05:33] <Admiral_Chicago> habeeb, nope
[05:33] <aliasfred> !xgl
[05:33] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[05:34] <Admiral_Chicago> i dont have one that is
[05:34] <habeeb> Admiral_Chicago: ok :)
[05:34] <habeeb> aliasfred: aw thanks.
[05:34] <gan|y|med> thx. ciao
[05:34] <fdoving> aliasfred: any luck with kdenetwork-filesharing ?
[05:35] <RawSewage> what cool things can you do with AIGLX
[05:35] <aliasfred> fdoving: nope :) in fact am running fc4 as dev environement :) so i set up a nfs manually
[05:35] <aliasfred> but it is a pain
[05:35] <fdoving> aliasfred: ah..
[05:35] <aliasfred> i should pass all in ubuntu but am lazy for the config
[05:36] <aliasfred> to config computer is by far what i hate the most in computing :)
[05:36] <Fade> the video board in my powerbook is okay by laptop standards, but there's no 3d acceleration for it. This is a source of ongoing irritation.
[05:36] <fdoving> i agree. that's why i have made packages for almost everything.
[05:36] <Fade> I'd love to try out compiz/xgl
[05:37] <habeeb> aliasfred: this one gave me a nvidia howto, I'm an ati usah <:
[05:37] <fdoving> Fade: isn't it a radeon that uses the opensource radeon driver? if so, it should support dri out of the box. mine does.
[05:37] <aliasfred> hmm do you speak french ? i got another but in french
[05:37] <habeeb> aliasfred: No sorry.
[05:37] <Fade> in your xorg.conf, what driver are you calling?
[05:37] <Fade> and what machine do you have?
[05:37] <nivekz> hello, i add "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap" to "~/.xinitrc" but it is obviously not run at startup
[05:38] <aliasfred> http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/applications/xgl <- habeeb maybe by playing with google translation
[05:38] <fdoving> Fade: ibook g4 1.2ghz 12"
[05:38] <habeeb> No way. Google translation is _TOO_ unreliable :"P
[05:38] <habeeb> I'll try to find a way.
[05:38] <Fade> I have the 1.33ghz 17"
[05:38] <soulrider> hi everyone
[05:38] <Fade> fdoving, can you paste your xconfig?
[05:39] <fdoving> Fade: i call the 'ati' driver.
[05:39] <fdoving> sure,
[05:39] <fdoving> hang on.
[05:39] <soulrider> is anyone here using azureus?
[05:39] <aliasfred> habeeb: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fdoc.ubuntu-fr.org%2Fapplications%2Fxgl&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools
[05:39] <aliasfred> bla :)
[05:39] <habeeb> Also, even tho I have sound , I can hear the GAIM sounds, beeps etc. Amarok isnt playing songs.
[05:39] <ccc_> soulrider: nope, not since ktorrent 2 was released
[05:40] <soulrider> ah k
[05:40] <soulrider> because i got a problem, and i dont know if tis azureus thats causing it or something else
[05:40] <Admiral_Chicago> habeeb, try chancing engunes
[05:40] <aliasfred> soulrider: i do
[05:40] <nivekz> hello where am i suppose to put "xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap" command in order to let it run each time at startup?
[05:40] <fdoving> Fade: http://rafb.net/paste/results/jqKJ0K51.html
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> last few times ive even tried Azureus - it was acting weird.
[05:40] <habeeb> Ok Admiral_Chicago
[05:41] <Fade> fdoving: thx :)
[05:41] <Fade> what output do you get from glxgears?
[05:41] <Fade> (out of curiosity)
[05:41] <aliasfred> Dr_Willis: it is by far the most 'serious' implementation around. aka the most complete etc... as a dev in p2p, it is a good tool :)
[05:41] <aliasfred> but this is quite heavy on ram due to java
[05:42] <soulrider> well my problem is that when i leabve my computr overnight with az on
[05:42] <soulrider> when i come back its all locked up
[05:42] <aliasfred> locked up = ?
[05:42] <soulrider> or too clow to even be able to close it
[05:42] <soulrider> it just doesnt work
[05:42] <soulrider> like if it were redmond :/
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> aliasfred,  ive gotten where i use  wine utorrent.exe :P
[05:42] <aliasfred> well 'does not work' is not a very usefull description of an issue :)
[05:43] <aliasfred> Dr_Willis: hehe :)
[05:43] <soulrider> when i come abck
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> aliasfred, last few times ive had issues with it poping up messages that never go away. :)
[05:43] <soulrider> all i see is the azureus window
[05:43] <soulrider> and ic ant click on anythign esle
[05:43] <soulrider> and even if i do, i cant use any toher programs or anything
[05:43] <soulrider> the close button doesnt work
[05:43] <soulrider> right click doesnt do anything
[05:43] <soulrider> Dr_Willis: that too
[05:43] <soulrider> but you casn just close it
[05:43] <aliasfred> ok you got you computer frozen
[05:44] <aliasfred> it may be the memory, the disk many things
[05:44] <ccc_> Dr_Willis: doesn't sound too good... :) did you try ktorrent? it's great these days. and native kde.
[05:44] <aliasfred> check the memory amount to see if it is big
[05:44] <aliasfred> check if the disk is full
[05:44] <aliasfred> etc...
[05:44] <soulrider> my HDs are fine
[05:44] <soulrider> and i gto 1 GB or RAM :/
[05:44] <Fade> soulrider -- sounds like there's a memory leak in azureus.
[05:44] <srdjant> How does one configure a modem in kubuntu, when lspci doesn't even mention the modem?
[05:45] <aliasfred> ktorrent send interested packet even if it is not!! how evil :)
[05:45] <jordi_> How can i Know the type of my hard Disk?  (Serial ATA, Ide...)
[05:45] <Fade> so it slowly uses up all the available memory, and then you're stuck in an I/O storm as the machine thrashes in swap.
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> ccc_,  odd thing about ktorrent - its still pegging the CPU at 99% even tho that bug supposubly got fixed.
[05:45] <soulrider> i used to run azureus with 256mb of RAM and no problems
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> ccc_,  the system is still useable. but the load monitors go crazy.
[05:45] <aliasfred> soulrider: when you come back, is the disk in activity ?
[05:46] <ccc_> Dr_Willis: even in version 2.0.2?
[05:46] <soulrider> it is
[05:46] <soulrider> and working like crazy too :/
[05:46] <Admiral_Chicago> Dr_Willis, K torrent didnt use up my CPU
[05:46] <Fade> file a bug against azureus.
[05:46] <soulrider> i even try ctrl+alt+backspace adn ti doesnt work
[05:46] <Admiral_Chicago> i never really go over 15%
[05:46] <Admiral_Chicago> most i really go is like 35
[05:46] <aliasfred> soulrider: ohhh so maybe it is axctually what fade said. aka big memory usage and then swap trashing
[05:47] <fdoving> Fade: it doesn't give any output.
[05:47] <Admiral_Chicago> and thats doing dl, music. irc, gaim, web and apt-get updates
[05:47] <Sanne> jordi_: type mount, it shows you the mounted partitions on your hd. If they are /dev/hd* you have IDE, /dev/sd* is for SCSI or SATA.
[05:47] <soulrider> and is there a way i can prevent that from happening ?
[05:47] <aliasfred> soulrider: there is a way to minimize the amount of memory used by java vm
[05:47] <Fade> dont run the program, or change versions and see if the problem goes away.
[05:47] <soulrider> ive tried witht he 2 latest
[05:47] <soulrider> the thing is
[05:47] <soulrider> i would use ktorrent
[05:48] <aliasfred> soulrider: it is in the azureus wiki or in #azureus for details
[05:48] <soulrider> but theres a tracker i dont know why ti refuses toc onnect to
[05:48] <soulrider> plus
[05:48] <soulrider> i find the way the interface is set up to be rather bad
[05:48] <Fade> java is teh suck. :(
[05:48] <soulrider> i like java :(
[05:48] <soulrider> i program in java... :( :P
[05:48] <jordi_> Sanne: thanks. And how can I know if the memory is DDr, DDR2 or DIMM?
[05:48] <Fade> well, you should profile the memory usage of azureus and file a patch with their devs.
[05:49] <Kutan> I wanna learn how to program in C++ D:
[05:49] <aliasfred> soulrider: their dev are nice and competent :)
[05:49] <soulrider> :)
[05:49] <Fade> that's always a plus. ;)
[05:50] <ironfroggy> so i was actually surprised, after using remote X for the first time, that when i suspended my laptop running a client with a window on my desktop, when i brought the laptop back up it was still running on the desktop.
[05:50] <ironfroggy> hows that work?
[05:50] <Sanne> jordi_: oh, I don't know if you can look it up under linux. For that I would go into the BIOS and see what it reports. Has anybody got better idea?
[05:50] <aliasfred> Kutan: the hardest to learn, but very powerfull once you get it :)
[05:50] <Kutan> Anyone know any C++ compiler/editors compatible with linux?
[05:50] <soulrider> g++
[05:50] <Fade> xemacs/g++
[05:50] <soulrider> i think :/
[05:50] <aliasfred> !build
[05:50] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[05:50] <soulrider> and i believe Eclipse can do c++
[05:50] <Kutan> Thanks.
[05:51] <aliasfred> yep but eclipse c++ is much worst than java one :)
[05:51] <Sanne> jordi_: you can also look around under Menu->System->KInfoCenter for hardware kubuntu detected, but I don't think you will find the RAM type there.
[05:51] <Fade> emacs -- you can run it anywhere, and once you know it, it's a power tool for your brain. :)
[05:52] <Admiral_Chicago> emacs is like a power workout for your brain
[05:53] <Fade> at this point, I doubt I could do my job without emacs.
[05:53] <RawSewage> what job
[05:53] <Fade> it saves me an unbelievable amount of time
[05:53] <Fade> I'm a code writer.
[05:53] <Fade> a programmer. a professional misfit. :)
[05:53] <RawSewage> what does emac have thats so great for codig
[05:54] <Fade> well, it has a great editor, but it's actually a lisp machine underneath, so it's a completely extensible editor.
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> emacs has so many features and so extendable - its scary
[05:55] <jordi_> Sanne: you were right, I didn't find the RAM type there
[05:55] <Fade> the c and c++ major modes integrate with gdb. the python mode is the best special mode I've ever used in any editor.
[05:55] <nnn0> emacs is a great OS :)
[05:55] <Fade> ba-dum-dum-bump :)
[05:55] <Sanne> jordi_: thought so. So, try your BIOS, maybe?
[05:55] <Dr_Willis> I sort of like FTE actally for an editor
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> i miss my old CygnusED for my amiga.
[05:56] <Sanne> jordi_: or even your mb manual first, it should say what it supports.
[05:56] <Fade> ahhhh... amiga.
[05:56] <RawSewage> wtf
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> Fade,  heh - i got several of them
[05:57] <Fade> I have a whole collection. everything except an a4000
[05:58] <Kutan> Aw damn, what's that command to refresh my desktop? I keep forgetting.
[05:58] <Kutan> er
[05:58] <Jucato> F5?
[05:58] <Kutan> K Menu
[05:58] <Kutan> Sorry
[05:58] <Jucato> kbuildsycoca --incremental
[05:58] <Kutan> That's it, thanks.
[06:00] <Jucato> no problem
[06:00] <Kutan> Oh well, I guess I need to put G++ on there myself.
[06:00] <aliasfred> !build-essential
[06:00] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[06:00] <Jucato> Kutan: iirc, g++ is a command line... command...
[06:00] <aliasfred> !essential
[06:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about essential - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:00] <Kutan> seriously?
[06:00] <auTONYmous> is anyone else having problems with USB drives under 3.5.4?
[06:01] <Kutan> lol
[06:01] <Jucato> Kutan: AFAIK, it's something like gcc
[06:01] <Kutan> When I asked if there were any good compilers/editors I thought g++ was both.
[06:01] <Jucato> ehehe
[06:01] <nnn0> :)
[06:01] <Jucato> KDevelop is a nice IDE, I think
[06:01] <auTONYmous> my usb drives won't automount...
[06:02] <nnn0> KDevelop is ok
[06:02] <aliasfred> i only got coredump from kdevelop
[06:02] <Jucato> I said "I think" because I haven't used it personally, and based it on others' recommendations...
[06:02] <Jucato> but I'm presuming it's good (partly because it's KDE...)
[06:03] <Fade> g++ isn't something like gcc, it is gcc which is a modular compiler. ;)
[06:03] <Jucato> Fade: I mean the "gcc" command...
[06:03] <aliasfred> well a lot of kde dev dont use kdevelop... i think this say a lot :)
[06:03] <Jucato> lol
[06:03] <Jucato> I wonder what they use?
[06:03] <Fade> emacs emacs, everywhere you look. :)
[06:03] <Jucato> lol
[06:03] <flo> every time i open a kde aplication i get this error message
[06:03] <flo> Impossibile trovare il tipo MIME
[06:03] <flo> application/octet-stream
[06:04] <Jucato> But besides that... emacs/vim is a given...
[06:04] <flo> what's hapening?
[06:04] <Fade> your computer speaks italian and kde speaks english.
[06:04] <Jucato> !it
[06:04] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[06:04] <Jucato> Fade: how cruel... ehehehe!
[06:04] <Fade> I was joking.
[06:04] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:05] <Kutan> Ooooh KDevelop is nice. >_>
[06:05] <Fade> once upon a time I lived in milano, but I was trapped in a machine room, and they didn't let me speak to the natives.
[06:05] <marco_> can someone help with quickcam?
[06:05] <Fade> don't mistake pretty for good.
[06:05] <marco_> I live in Milano!!! :D
[06:06] <bora> how can we switch between kdm and gdm?
[06:06] <Fade> well, I'm in paris now, but Milan was nice. :)
[06:06] <fdoving> bora: in konsole 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow kdm' or gdm.
[06:06] <marco_> anyone knows how to solve my problem with webcam? :(
[06:06] <Fade> bora -- dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[06:06] <Fade> oooh. it's like a new game. ;)
[06:06] <Fade> marco_: you haven't stated your problem yet
[06:07] <leo^> thanks
[06:07] <marco_> oh yes sorry :D stupid!
[06:07] <marco_> weel
[06:07] <marco_> well
[06:07] <marco_> i was using ubuntu few days ago
[06:07] <marco_> and now trying kubuntu
[06:07] <marco_> so
[06:07] <marco_> camorama can see my cam
[06:07] <marco_> an gqcam too
[06:07] <marco_> and kopete too
[06:07] <marco_> but i cannot share cam with friends
[06:07] <marco_> that is
[06:07] <marco_> using kopete with MSN
[06:07] <marco_> i cannot send my webcam images :(
[06:08] <marco_> i think that is because i have NAT on my adsl modem
[06:08] <Fade> kopete doesn't know how to send the webcam pictures across msn.
[06:08] <Kutan> So Fade I have a question, when you say "don't mistake pretty for good"... What makes one editor better than the other? o_O
[06:08] <marco_> but if i deactivate NAT
[06:08] <marco_> modem cannot connect :(
[06:08] <leo^> ok a dumb question coming. can i remove gnome desktop after i install kde in ubuntu dapper ?
[06:08] <Fade> kutan -- the editor that gets out of your way and lets you work without seeing it is my measure of a good editor.
[06:08] <Fade> the upside of that is that you can then work on anything from a mobile fone with a bluetooth keyboard to a full workstation.
[06:08] <Fade> this is of course, subjective.
[06:08] <Kutan> o_o;
[06:09] <Kutan> Uh...  :O
[06:09] <Fade> you don't even need a graphical environment.
[06:09] <Kutan> But it's nice :D
[06:10] <Fade> you could use the console if you wanted with emacs and it would work just as well.
[06:10] <fdoving> Fade: unless this is support related, please take it to #kubuntu-offtopic as this is a support channel. thanks. and if this is support related i'm sorry for interrupting.
[06:10] <Jucato> again... subjective. it's a matter of personal preference
[06:10] <flo> Fade: i get no answer on ubuntu-it i'm sure u know that that messege meens can't find the MIME tipe aplication/octet-stream
[06:10] <Fade> oh... I was answering a direct question. sorry.
[06:10] <Kutan> Couldn't you just use like... nano if you wanted to?
[06:11] <Fade> flo -- when does that error happen?
[06:11] <hybrid> .cl
[06:11] <marco_> any idea for me? :( i need the cam for work... :(
[06:12] <picci> ciao
[06:12] <Kutan> cause nano is an editor in the console... and it definetly ain't pretty.
[06:12] <flo> Fade , when i'm launching kde aplications
[06:12] <marco_> ciao picci :)
[06:12] <Fade> marco -- I think that's an issue with MSN keeping their message protocol secret.
[06:12] <fdoving> Fade: then i'm sorry for interrupting. keep up the good work :)
[06:12] <marco_> not sure... i mean...
[06:12] <marco_> i'ver read in many places about cams working with kopete or amsn
[06:12] <marco_> even with my type of cam... :(
[06:13] <marco_> i've tried FAQs and tutorials and so... nothing work :(
[06:13] <Fade> I've never personally used a camera with any instant messenger, but I have read that it's a problem because most of the big networks keep their format sekret.
[06:13] <marco_> yes :(
[06:13] <Fade> as an experiment set up a jabber account and see if it works with jabber.
[06:13] <maninder> any one know a site were i can download msn for linux?
[06:13] <marco_> uhm... with whom!? :D
[06:13] <maninder> like the lates version
[06:13] <marco_> maninder: search for amsn or kopete
[06:13] <Fade> boy, you want all the answers, eh? ;)
[06:14] <marco_> :P
[06:14] <maninder> i have kotpete its cheap i want msn like windows version
[06:14] <Kutan> Does MSN itself work with WINE too?
[06:14] <marco_> maninder: try aMSN
[06:14] <marco_> i should try msn with wine! nice idea!
[06:14] <maninder> oh wines that program that runs .exe
[06:14] <maninder> ye i can run that i guess
[06:14] <Kutan> That sounded sarcastic >_>
[06:15] <marco_> if it is possible to download it wihout downloading all the damned windows system :)
[06:15] <Kutan> Cause I never get anything right.
[06:15] <Fade> marco -- have you checked with the kopete developers?
[06:15] <marco_> not yet... why bothering for this stupid problem that it seems I'm the only to have? :(
[06:15] <Section32> Is there a GUI tool to manage the firewall in Kubuntu?
[06:16] <jacques_> O suis-je arriv? je dcouvre KUBUNTU ! et Linux par la mme occasion
[06:16] <Chousuke> !fr
[06:16] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:16] <Viper550> You've all seen the pictures of Kubuntu Edgy Knot 2?
[06:16] <Kutan> What does GUI stand for again? XD
[06:16] <Kutan> Graphical Somethin Interface?
[06:16] <Viper550> Graphical. User. Interface.
[06:17] <marco_> User :)
[06:17] <Kutan> Oh yeah
[06:17] <soulrider> Viper550: i havnt, link ?
[06:17] <Fade> porkchops for everybody.
[06:17] <Viper550> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EdgyEft/Knot2/Kubuntu
[06:17] <soulrider> id idnt know kubuntu had a firewall :/
[06:17] <soulrider> thanks
[06:17] <marco_> Fade: no, porkchops for everybody is PFE, not GUI! :D:D:D
[06:17] <Fade> d0h!
[06:18] <Fade> soulrider: kubuntu doesn't have a firewall... linux has the firewall.
[06:18] <keith> Hi, can someone help me delete files from a flash drive please?
[06:18] <Fade> kubuntu might have some programs used to configure the firewall in the kernel.
[06:18] <Viper550> Looks nice?
[06:18] <Section32> Yeah I know Linux has the firewall, its called iptables right?
[06:18] <marco_> Viper550: yes, why not? :)
[06:18] <jacques_> je croyais tomber sur du franais !
[06:18] <jacques_> pas sur cette langue incomprhensible !
[06:18] <Fade> yeah
[06:19] <jmichaelx> does anyone in here have the democracy video player installed?
[06:19] <marco_> Viper550: too much violet and purple...
[06:19] <Viper550> Yeah, get used to it. At least I'm contributing a glossy panel bg
[06:19] <soulrider> Fade: i didnt know
[06:20] <soulrider> i dont like that purple ine dgy much :/
[06:20] <Fade> the packet filter in linux is very good.
[06:20] <Section32> I just want to open up my SSH port so I can log into this box from my other machines.
[06:21] <soulrider> they should add some sort of better pppoe support in edgy
[06:22] <soulrider> more graphical :P
[06:22] <Jucato> soulrider: amen to that!
[06:22] <Fade> Section32: you need to set up a port forward on your nat box for port 22.
[06:22] <Jucato> it seems to be a  Debian-based disease...
[06:22] <Fade> whatchew mean, disease?
[06:23] <Fade> it's a feature.
[06:23] <Viper550> Best icons ever: http://www.kde-look.org/content/pre1/44439-1.png
[06:23] <Section32> Fade: I still need to open up the SSH port on this machine first.  I don't have the capacity to cry.
[06:26] <ubuntu__> cry aliasfred
[06:26] <ubuntu__> ^^
[06:26] <aliasfred> hmmm ok
[06:27] <Jucato> hm.. should I cry for ops?
[06:27] <Section32> Excellent
[06:27] <aliasfred> any channel operator around ?
[06:27] <Section32> Fade: Thanks it worked.
[06:27] <ryan_> hello everyone
[06:27] <Viper550> No...but there is ChanServ
[06:27] <Jucato> aliasfred: should I or should you?
[06:27] <Jucato> call for ops...
[06:27] <fdoving> aliasfred: yes.
[06:27] <ubuntu__> kubuntu sukz
[06:28] <Jucato> oh there...
[06:28] <ubuntu__> slack ownz ^^
[06:28] <Jucato> that's 2
[06:28] <aliasfred> fdoving: ubuntu__ is misbahaving strongly :)
[06:28] <Viper550> ubuntu__ Ironic, I don't use Ubuntu!
[06:28] <Kutan> Why should you be lenient?  I used to though, so that's why I still contribute
[06:29] <Jucato> May I ask your permission to kick you out of the room?
[06:29] <anon32> KDE is bloated!
[06:29] <Viper550> I
[06:29] <Jucato> lol
[06:29] <Viper550> am using KDE right now
[06:29] <aliasfred> mouaoua
[06:29] <keith> Please help! I'm trying to delete a file from a flash drive using shift-del in konqueror. I get message: 'Could not delete file /media/sdb1/.Trash-1000.'
[06:30] <NDPTAL85> Viper550: What do you use now?
[06:30] <Viper550> Fedora Core 5
[06:30] <NDPTAL85> Viper550: Because you like it or you need it for work?
[06:31] <Jucato> is it just me, or does Konqueror-KGet really have a problem with downloading from pages that use PHP?
[06:31] <Viper550> Switched from Ubuntu Breezy, APT was having problems, and before Ubuntu I used to use Red Hat 9 so I decided to go back to my roots.
[06:31] <ep> Want to update a couple of packages by building from source. Easy enough, "./configure && make && make install", but I don't understand how this fits in (if at all) with the APT packing system.  For instance, how do I uninstall a said package and what do I do if said package is replacing an older version which was installed via apt-get?
[06:31] <Jucato> Viper550: it's kool that FC 5 has realesed Live-Spin. but it would be kooler if it were installable...
[06:32] <fdoving> !checkinstall
[06:32] <ubotu> checkinstall is a wrapper to "make install", useful for installing programs you compiled. It will create a .deb package, which will be listed in the APT database and can be uninstalled like other packages. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall  -  Please: Read the warnings at the top and bottom of that web page.
[06:32] <fdoving> ep:
[06:32] <fdoving> ep: ^^
[06:32] <Viper550> I did however before going up to FC5, try installing Gentoo 2006.0
[06:32] <Jucato> ep: if you're still available in 1.5 hours, you're welcome to join us at #ubuntu-classroom
[06:32] <Kutan> o_o;
[06:32] <ep> thank you
[06:32] <malice> Does anyone else know of another good multi player game to get besides chess :)
[06:32] <Jucato> today's class will be about package basics and compiling
[06:33] <NDPTAL85> I used to compile a ton of stuff for no reason back when I first got Mac OS X by using Fink. http://fink.sourceforge.net
[06:33] <malice> I don't wanna learn that :P
[06:33] <NDPTAL85> Fink basically is apt-get for OS X
[06:33] <reddwolf78> does anyone no how to get xmms to work with shoutcast or icecast
[06:33] <Kutan> That's kinda weird... I guess I know now how newbie friendly k/ubuntu is.
[06:33] <Viper550> Jucato: There is a FC5 based installable Live CD distro though called Berry Linux... http://berry.sourceforge.jp/
[06:33] <Jucato> Kutan: huh?
[06:33] <fdoving> malice: netris and gtetrinet. :)
[06:33] <NDPTAL85> But after a while it got old, which is why I never gave Gentoo a try.
[06:34] <Jucato> Viper550: tried that. Actually had fun trying to log into the Japanese desktop :-D
[06:34] <malice> fdoving: is it multi player?
[06:34] <Kutan> Cause you have a "classroom" o_O, I doubt you see many operating systems with somethin like that.
[06:34] <malice> wait
[06:34] <malice> tetris
[06:34] <malice> fear
[06:34] <malice> hehehe
[06:34] <fdoving> malice: yes, multiplayer tetris :)
[06:34] <Viper550> You can select the English option from the menu
[06:34] <Jucato> Viper550: but FC 5 Live-Spin is more or less as close as you can get to the real FC right?
[06:34] <fdoving> have to go, visiting inlaws. bye.
[06:34] <Viper550> And the new version even has XGL!
[06:34] <Jucato> Viper550: I know, I was just playing around with it
[06:34] <Viper550> Yes...
[06:35] <Jucato> Viper550: last I checked, Berry Linux didn't have an English option for XGL. only the japanese login
[06:35] <Viper550> Yes it does
[06:35] <Jucato> hm... darn! just when I erased the CD....
[06:35] <Kutan> Late sleeper.
[06:35] <reddwolf78> does anyone no how to get xmms to work with shoutcast or icecast or alest point me in the right direction
[06:35] <soulrider> hey Hawkwind
[06:35] <Jucato> Hawkwind: good morning!
[06:36] <Viper550> Jucato: "Berry Linux (XGL/English)
[06:36] <Hawkwind> Barely morning!  I did try to sleep til noon :P
[06:36] <Kutan> lol
[06:36] <Jucato> lol
[06:36] <soulrider> lol
[06:36] <Kutan> lol
[06:36] <Jucato> Hawkwind: i think this the first time that it's both AM in our timezones
[06:37] <Hawkwind> Hah
[06:37] <soulrider> Jucato: are you a bot? youre allways here, and talking :) :P
[06:37] <malice> reddwolf78 just download the link and then drag it over to xmms
[06:38] <Jucato> I wouldn't be talking if I were a bot :-D
[06:38] <Jucato> or I could be a bot with a very high language capability
[06:38] <reddwolf78> what link
[06:38] <Kutan> We could all be bots.
[06:38] <Hawkwind> reddwolf78: Right click in the playlist area and you can add URL's or any file type
[06:38] <Kutan> It's a government conspiracy.
[06:38] <reddwolf78> ok
[06:39] <reddwolf78> but i would like to set it up were when i run xmms is broadcast music out
[06:39] <Hawkwind> reddwolf78: You mean displayed into IRC ?
[06:39] <soulrider> oh noes!  Anyone know of a C++ compiler WITH a GUI? I'm not too good with the command line yet.
[06:41] <reddwolf78> yes
[06:42] <reddwolf78> how do i get that set up for linux
[06:42] <Hawkwind> reddwolf78: ices and icecast
[06:42] <Hawkwind> reddwolf78: That's what I use
[06:42] <ubuntu> Hi
[06:42] <Hawkwind> reddwolf78: http://DoomSickle.com:101/stream.ogg   <~~That's mine
[06:42] <ubuntu> Anyone try the Knot 2 ?
[06:42] <reddwolf78> hmm. i have all the packages for ice caszt but to no aval have i gotten it to work were ppl can here me
[06:43] <reddwolf78> cool
[06:43] <reddwolf78> but how would i do something like that for my self
[06:45] <boblenain> HI
[06:45] <Viper550> %96
[06:45] <Viper550> DONE!
[06:46] <Hawkwind> reddwolf78: I told you, setup ices and icecast
[06:46] <Viper550> http://www.sharebigfile.com/file/4098/realistiK-r1-tar.bz2.html
[06:46] <aliasfred> Hawkwind: http://DoomSickle.com:101/stream.ogg <- produced some firewall error from here.
[06:46] <reddwolf78> ok
[06:46] <Gomezd3n> Anyone install compiz on KDE that could give me a quick hand?
[06:46] <Hawkwind> aliasfred: Did you put that into your audio player or try to open it in a webbrowser ?
[06:46] <aliasfred> Hawkwind: in a web browser, firefox
[06:47] <Hawkwind> aliasfred: That's why.  It's a live stream that you listen to with an audio player like xmms
[06:47] <aliasfred> Hawkwind: hmm ok. true it works thru mplayer
[06:47] <aliasfred> Hawkwind: the error provided by firefox is weird tho
[06:48] <aliasfred> Hawkwind: 'access to port number given has been disabled for security reason'
[06:48] <aliasfred> Hawkwind: seems a lot like a icmp
[06:48] <Hawkwind> aliasfred: Right.  It's supposed to do that
[06:49] <aliasfred> Hawkwind: usually when i put url of a stream in firefox, it works ok. what is the different here ?
[06:49] <Hawkwind> aliasfred: Not sure.  I've never known my icecast/ices server to play in a browser
[06:52] <qihua> ?
[07:00] <kubuntu-newbie> hi folsk
[07:00] <kubuntu-newbie> folks
[07:00] <Jucato> hi
[07:07] <nickv111> Hello. I'm using the "radeon" X11 driver with my graphics card, but I'm still getting an error when I do "glxgears" saying 'Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".'
[07:08] <nickv111> However, I have "load dri" in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:10] <SonicChao> I installed deKorator -- but how do I use it?
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> check its homepage :)
[07:11] <Jucato> SonicChao: deKorator is a window decoration themable engine. so it's in System Settings > Appearance > Window Decorations
[07:12] <SonicChao> Jucato: i see nothing new in there...
[07:12] <Jucato> choose deKorator from the drop-down list.
[07:12] <Jucato> I think you need to install themes for deKorator
[07:12] <Drenhead> I have kubuntu installed, but I tried to install gnome to try it out, now I can't log into the system.  I said KDE should be the default, but now when I reboot, the gnome login screen comes up.  when I login there, the Kubuntu splash screen comes up, but nothing else happens.
[07:13] <SonicChao> Jucato: Oh, i see thanks
[07:13] <Jucato> take note that the version of deKorator from the repositories is older than the current
[07:13] <SonicChao> Jucato: kde-look.org? =)
[07:13] <nivekz> Hello. Is there any gui way to configure autostart in kde?
[07:13] <Jucato> SonicChao: exactly
[07:13] <SonicChao> Jucato: Ok
[07:14] <Jucato> SonicChao: take note though, the deKorator in the repos is version 0.2. the Latest is 0.3. Themes for 0.3 won't work with 0.2
[07:15] <adaran> anyone here use amarok on kubuntu PPC? if so, is it working for you?
[07:16] <Jucato> adaran: Amarok 1.4.2?
[07:16] <adaran> Jucato: yes
[07:16] <Jucato> I think it's bugged
[07:16] <Jucato> they're working on it (I think)
[07:17] <adaran> Jucato: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133450
[07:17] <adaran> i've spelled it out there =)
[07:17] <adaran> is that the same problem you're having?
[07:17] <Jucato> not me. but I've seen the bug reports. there's also another one filed in Launchpad.net...
[07:18] <adaran> Jucato: do you have an url for the launchpad bug
[07:19] <Jucato> hm... hold on
[07:19] <skavenge> *shrug* ive got it running fine on two machoines here (1.4.2)
[07:19] <Jucato> skavenge: PPC?
[07:19] <skavenge> non ppc sorry missed that
[07:19] <skavenge> ;p
[07:19] <Jucato> hehe
[07:19] <Jucato> :p
[07:20] <Fri13> Hello, im having very wierd problem, when i log in, my keyboard layout is right (fi) but after 5-7 seconds, it will change to english. I didnt do anything on KDE side on my account, just added new user and logged in with it, toke few screenshots and logged out and back to my. Xorg is right, Kcontrol is right....
[07:21] <Jucato> adaran: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/58566
[07:22] <adaran> Jucato: thanks, that's exactly the problem i'm havin
[07:22] <adaran> *having
[07:22] <Jucato> adaran: take comfort in the fact that you are not alone. eheheh
[07:24] <nickv111> When I do "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", it doesn
[07:24] <nickv111> Erm, it doesn't give me an option for the "radeon" driver
[07:25] <Trollinator> nickv111: sudo aptitude install xserver-xorg-driver-ati
[07:25] <Trollinator> then it should give you the option
[07:26] <Fri13> What can change keyboard layout on-the-fly on kubuntu after logged in?
[07:26] <Trollinator> xmodmap, iirc
[07:27] <Fri13> Like im having right layout when im on KDM and when KDE has started. Then after few seconds, it changes it to english.
[07:28] <ubuntu> anyone there?
[07:28] <Trollinator> Alt+F2 --> kcontrol --> regional Settings and Accessibility --> Layout
[07:28] <Trollinator> ubuntu: no, we're not here
[07:28] <Trollinator> i'm just an illusion
[07:28] <Trollinator> you're hallucinating
[07:28] <Trollinator> go to the doctor
[07:28] <Trollinator> NOW
[07:29] <ubuntu> is that all
[07:29] <ubuntu> ?
[07:29] <Trollinator> i'm too much for you already...
[07:29] <ubuntu> hihih
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> SonicChao, http://motyr.cheetux.org.il/deKorator/deKoratorFlashMovie/intallTheme/installTheme.html
[07:30] <Fri13> Nope, it dont work... all those layout settings are right.
[07:30] <ubuntu> i am trying for live cd of kubuntu
[07:30] <Trollinator> Fri13: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:30] <Fri13> Trollinator: it dont help either....
[07:30] <ubuntu> oye gatito hablas espanol
[07:31] <heinkel_111> !es
[07:31] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:31] <Trollinator> what's wrong with it anyway?
[07:31] <ubuntu> wel i do not have problems with the language
[07:31] <Trollinator> does it work when you create another user?
[07:32] <Fri13> Trollinator: My layout is right when i use KDM or when i log in. Then just when i can i open ALT+F2 and i start pressing ? key, it gives right mark as it should on my layout (fi) but after klipper and kerry has started, layout is english.
[07:32] <Fri13> I have checked xorg settings, kcontrol keyboard and region settings... etc.
[07:33] <Trollinator> strange
[07:33] <Fri13> Even keyboard order is only for Finnish and if i take that flag to show, it shows it is finnish.
[07:33] <Trollinator> does it work when you try with another ser?
[07:33] <Trollinator> *user
[07:33] <Fri13> When i use other user, it is how it should be.
[07:34] <Trollinator> i'd just create a new account and merge my settings...
[07:34] <Fri13> But it's not so big deal for me to remove .kde and then just apply those my settings from backups... just liked to know is there somekind extra thing on kubuntu KDE version (because this has ever happend to me on SUSE on 4 years).
[07:35] <Trollinator> that's because ubuntu sucks. Use debian
[07:35] <Trollinator> :o)
[07:36] <Trollinator> i mean it, ubuntu sucks. there has been a fix for libxine for ages, but i still can't play FLACs :/
[07:36] <Fri13> Trollinator: My #1 OS is SUSE still.. but sometimes you just need to use others so you can write about them ;-)
[07:36] <Gatito> or bi densein
[07:36] <Trollinator> i get your point :(
[07:37] <Kr4t05> Trollinator: At least you're honest.
[07:37] <Gatito> vagen strugen vagen
[07:37] <Fri13> Ok, but mayby i found someday reason for that wierd thing... Thx about time...
[07:37] <Gatito> spagueti
[07:37] <Trollinator> Kr4t05: about what?
[07:37] <Gatito> what?
[07:37] <Kr4t05> Trollinator: eh, nothing.
[07:37] <Gatito> your engliish is very poor
[07:38] <Trollinator> who's?
[07:38] <Gatito> whos what?
[07:39] <Trollinator> who's english is very poor?
[07:52] <Jucato> leaving this room to go to #ubuntu-classroom classes (should) start in a few minutes...
[08:00] <randcoop> join ubuntu-classroom
[08:02] <revrogue> mornin all :)
[08:05] <Trollinator> revrogue: it's five past eight
[08:11] <neil__> word
[08:12] <Viper550> Anyone wondering what my Fedora desktop looks like?
[08:12] <Hawkwind> abattoir: How do I set the clock in the bottom right corner to display 12 hour time instead of 24 hour time
[08:12] <Hawkwind> Viper550: No, but they might in #Fedora
[08:12] <Pointblank_> hey all
[08:12] <abattoir> Hawkwind: Date and time format
[08:13] <Hawkwind> abattoir: I see no setting for it in there.  This is on Edgy Knot2 in vmware
[08:13] <abattoir> Hawkwind: rt. click ->Date and time format->Times and dates
[08:13] <abattoir> Hawkwind: one sec, brb
[08:14] <abattoir> Hawkwind: ok, click on the combobox, you'd see 'pH:MM:SS..'
[08:14] <abattoir> Hawkwind: modify it to your needs
[08:14] <Xcalibur> yo, when I goto install anything, i get BREAK in red letters in adept?
[08:15] <Hawkwind> abattoir: Ahhh, thanks
[08:15] <abattoir> Hawkwind: cool :)
[08:15] <Hawkwind> Can you tell I never use KDE :P
[08:16] <Xcalibur> Hawkind, I need you supergenius-ness
[08:16] <abattoir> Xcalibur: try a 'sudo apt-get update' and a 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[08:16] <Xcalibur> ok
[08:16] <abattoir> Xcalibur: or try installing a package throught the cli to find what exactly it is complaining about
[08:17] <Xcalibur> it has something to do with libgtk
[08:21] <deniel> algum brasileiro?
[08:25] <Hawkwind> !br
[08:25] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[08:30] <actinic> anyone here running opera 9?
[08:30] <Xcalibur> still having prob witht the install, it keeps telling me "E: broken packages"
[08:30] <Xcalibur> I am
[08:30] <Xcalibur> for linux
[08:30] <actinic> Xcalibur, good.  Do you use RSS feeds with it?
[08:31] <Xcalibur> yeah
[08:31] <Perkabalo> Only me who can't reach www.ubuntuforums.org ?
[08:31] <actinic> Xcalibur, i can't seem to edit/abbreivate the rss feed names
[08:31] <Xcalibur> lol
[08:32] <actinic> right-click > properties allows u to edit but it doesn't 'stick'
[08:32] <actinic> could u try?
[08:32] <Perkabalo> :) ?
[08:32] <sleeptyper> Perkabalo, it works, but slowly
[08:32] <Perkabalo> now!
[08:33] <actinic> Xcalibur?
[08:35] <Xcalibur> it lets me
[08:35] <Xcalibur> lol
[08:35] <actinic> interesting
[08:36] <tuliouel> Does Kubuntu 6.06 come with badram or I'll need to install a patch???????????
[08:37] <actinic> tuliouel, it comes with it
[08:37] <actinic> tuliouel, correction it comes with memtest
[08:38] <tuliouel> I've done the memtest. I have the data... What comes next?
[08:38] <Xcalibur> this blows tho, I want firefox, and the only way to use it is with wine
[08:38] <Xcalibur> dammit
[08:38] <actinic> you remaining 286 people can chip in anytime :)
[08:39] <Xcalibur> idk anything about memtest, or badram
[08:39] <Xcalibur> srry
[08:39] <Freethought> Hello :)
[08:40] <Xmov> russian were are you
[08:40] <Xmov> !!!!!!!
[08:40] <Freethought> May i shoot a question?:)
[08:40] <tuliouel> ?
[08:40] <Freethought> ?
[08:40] <actinic> tuliouel, new ram?
[08:41] <tuliouel> So I guess I'll need to get a patch for badram... where can I learn?
[08:41] <Xcalibur> firefox through wine blows
[08:41] <tuliouel> old BAD ram
[08:41] <Freethought> huston i have a problem
[08:43] <aliasfred> !asj
[08:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about asj - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:43] <aliasfred> !ask
[08:43] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:43] <willnapier> Hi there everyone
[08:43] <Xcalibur> !hack
[08:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:43] <Xcalibur> !vnc
[08:43] <ubotu> vnc is a way of doing remote desktop.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !freenx.
[08:43] <elknof1> hey. hi everyone
[08:44] <willnapier> Just bought a pc with an intel p965 chipset (core 2 duo). Can't install kubuntu. Anyone here know about this?
[08:44] <elknof1> does anyone knows how to upgrade mi kernel from 386 to 686??
[08:44] <draik> elknof1, type       sudo apt-get install linux-686
[08:45] <Xmov>
[08:45] <Xmov> !!!!!!
[08:46] <draik> elknof1, then, after its done, remove the 386 by typing           sudo apt-get remove linux-image-386 linux-headers-386 linux-restricted-386
[08:46] <elknof1> draik, will it erase the current version??
[08:46] <draik> no, just overwrite
[08:46] <draik> well, not really overwrite, but makes it as an available boot option
[08:46] <elknof1> draik, thaks..   can i do it on the run??
[08:46] <draik> do it in Konsole (terminal)
[08:47] <tuliouel> Can anubody here tell me where and how to install badram in my machine? I have some defects detected by memtest.
[08:47] <draik> then once it's done, restart and select the 686 boot option
[08:47] <recon0> When I try to play an MP3 file with amaroK, it skips the 3:45 song and refuses to play it.
[08:48] <draik> elknof1, you may also not have the linux-restricted-386 so just delete it from your command and continue with the other 2 removals
[08:48] <elknof1> draik, when the past versions are erased i wont see them anymore in the grub...  isn't it??
[08:48] <draik> that's right
[08:48] <draik> if you want to keep them go right ahead
[08:49] <elknof1> draik, no i dont want to keep them...     hey tahnks a lot
[08:49] <draik> np
[08:50] <draik> elknof1, it could be a while during the 686 install, depending on your CPU and RAM
[08:50] <elknof1> draik, about how many?
[08:50] <draik> dunno
[08:50] <draik> I am running 3.2GHz P4 with 3GB RAM
[08:51] <draik> took only about 2 minutes, tops
[08:53] <elknof1> draik, well u have a super computer...   im running under a pentium m 1.44 1gb ram... it will take like 15
[08:54] <draik> hmmm
[08:54] <draik> well, it will tell you the time in the bottom right-hand corner of your konsole
[08:54] <draik> per download, not so much for the install
[08:57] <draik> elknof1, where are you now on the download/install?
[08:57] <Mitsurugi> (hello) quick question. does kubuntu auto read usb sticks?
[08:59] <elknof1> draik, im downloading...  13%
[08:59] <draik> Mitsurugi, have you tried to plug a USB stick in yet?
[08:59] <draik> elknof1, ok. It will be a while, but well worth it. 686 works really well with Intel
[09:01] <wckdkl0wn> anyone know of a good program for linux that will go to a site u say and download every image on that site?
[09:01] <Mitsurugi> draik: no but will dont wana keep switching between windows and linux because i have no internet connection working for linux
[09:01] <The_Stephan> suse not good
[09:02] <draik> ummm, aren't you using linux right now, Mitsurugi?
[09:02] <Mitsurugi> no
[09:02] <Mitsurugi> cant get kppp to connect to the net
[09:02] <draik> you're using dial-up?
[09:03] <Mitsurugi> yea
[09:03] <draik> ouch
[09:03] <draik> sorry
[09:03] <Mitsurugi> its not really dial up
[09:03] <draik> ummm, you can always mount the USB, but be sure it's recognized first
[09:03] <draik> Kubuntu automatically loads it up for me once I plug in the USB stick
[09:04] <Mitsurugi> k
[09:04] <Zooliegsm> 	i want to do a backup,i mounted a 20gb matrox winchester with fat32 fs,and i started to copy the thing i need.but after a few mp3 and other files the disk is marked as full,but i do nothing.i lost my 16,4gb.....whats the problem? what i need to do?if i mount it,ubuntu says immidietly that "not enough space on drive".
[09:04] <The_Stephan> test
[09:04] <Zooliegsm> hello all
[09:05] <pp> hola
[09:05] <wilfred> Zooliegsm: fat32 can't handle individual files bigger than 2GB - did you have any of thos?
[09:05] <Zooliegsm> nope
[09:05] <pp> algun hispano
[09:05] <Zooliegsm> i know that...i just have mp3 files
[09:06] <Zooliegsm> and some other docs
[09:07] <sleeptyper> wilfred, bigger than 4GB ...
[09:07] <Zooliegsm> any idea?
[09:09] <maninder> yo can some one help me
[09:09] <marcus> hi
[09:10] <maninder> im on the a msn site
[09:10] <maninder> im downloading this shit right now
[09:10] <maninder> do i install it like a windows installer?
[09:10] <marcus> i need help to set openGL resolution
[09:10] <marcus> i can't start up sopengl screensavers
[09:10] <draik> maninder, install what? Nothing really installs like windows
[09:11] <maninder> wow my internet on linux is madd slow
[09:11] <Zooliegsm> sorry,my opera closed....so any idea?
[09:11] <draik> maninder, what are you trying to install? What are you downloading? What do you need help with???
[09:12] <maninder> okay im on this a msn site
[09:12] <willnapier> #freeBSDhelp
[09:12] <maninder> and im downloadint the msn linux version
[09:12] <abattoir> draik: i think he is trying to install amsn
[09:12] <maninder> what do i do once its done?
[09:12] <abattoir> !info amsn
[09:12] <ubotu> amsn: An MSN messenger written in tcl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.95-1 (dapper), package size 2233 kB, installed size 7852 kB
[09:12] <maninder> how do i install it
[09:12] <abattoir> maninder: which file are you downloading? which format?
[09:12] <maninder> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/amsn/amsn-0.95-1.linux-installer.x86_64.bin?use_mirror=easynews
[09:12] <maninder> that one
[09:13] <draik> right you are, abattoir, as always
[09:13] <maninder> i just went gogle and typed in linux msn version
[09:13] <abattoir> maninder: are you on a 64 bit pc?
[09:13] <maninder> ye
[09:13] <maninder> 64
[09:13] <abattoir> maninder: msn works w/ kopete too
[09:13] <abattoir> maninder: which comes preinstalled w/ kubuntu
[09:13] <maninder> naw kopete is cheap
[09:13] <maninder> i want a nice lookin program
[09:13] <abattoir> ok... whatever
[09:13] <maninder> alright its done downloading
[09:13] <maninder> now what?
[09:14] <maninder> double click iT?
[09:14] <draik> maninder, kopete has skins. Get them and change the look
[09:14] <abattoir> yes, especially now that it supports adium themes
[09:15] <maninder> okay listen
[09:15] <abattoir> maninder: also one more thing... do you have the 64 bit version of kubuntu installed?
[09:15] <maninder> i also have flash its a folder i unziped
[09:15] <maninder> ye
[09:15] <maninder> i have the 64 kubuntu
[09:15] <maninder> what do i do with these folders copy and past them?
[09:16] <maninder> in the media fodler?
[09:16] <abattoir> maninder: i'd actually recommending setting up universe and multiverse repostitories
[09:16] <maninder> what does that mean?
[09:16] <abattoir> maninder: once you do that, things like install amsn, flash is a.... well flash
[09:16] <abattoir> !universe
[09:16] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[09:16] <abattoir> maninder: ^^^ please read that
[09:16] <maninder> okay but listen
[09:17] <maninder> when i try openin the msn foler its not opening
[09:17] <maninder> it says what program do you wana open with
[09:17] <abattoir> maninder: its not a folder..
[09:17] <abattoir> maninder: its a binary file...
[09:17] <maninder> ye so what do i do with it?
[09:17] <abattoir> maninder: try 'sh ./filename.bin' in the cli
[09:17] <abattoir> !cli
[09:17] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands