[07:34] <guiverc> downloads does look good; but does the link https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/testing/ work for everyone?   Should I create a ~copy of that page on discourse & link there?  (correcting the oudated nature of phab version; dev there is lunar with kinetic our latest..)
 Phab is still down —testing only link that does not work (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> downloads does look good; but does the link https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/testing/ work for everyone?   Should I create a ~copy of that page on discourse & link there?  (correcting the oudated nature of phab version; dev there is lunar with kinetic our latest..))
 I was supposed to move it to git.lubuntu.me (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> downloads does look good; but does the link https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/testing/ work for everyone?   Should I create a ~copy of that page on discourse & link there?  (correcting the oudated nature of phab version; dev there is lunar with kinetic our latest..))
[10:25] <guiverc> Thanks @Leokolb, you've confirmed what I believed... phab is actually UP, but its not public (eg. that link works when I test it here, thus my language...)
[10:35] <guiverc> https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/qa-testing-information/4719    gives us a copy on discourse (I don't like title; but its 15+ characters as required; feel free to edit/change if you've better)...   page could point there (releases updates; lunar/23.04 at end so as to be easier to remove (my reasoning anyway)
[10:37] <guiverc> (page is 99.5% what is on phab page; copy/pasted with release detail & last line only changed)
 We, not I, it's not all your fault ;) (re @kc2bez: I was supposed to move it to git.lubuntu.me)
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/207bd934/file_10287.jpg
 Thanks guiverc :)
[11:12] <guiverc> the downloads page will need to be altered to use that discourse page (if wanted)
 @teward001 at your convenience, you are the only person with the ability to edit the navbar :) I'm all for a replacement, but we should make what we already have works
 Ack :)
 "Excluding one specific application, our stance is in favor of using Qt applications over Flutter applications." anyone notice the Flutter app I snuck on the ISO a month back?
 can I get access to this? (re @kc2bez: I was supposed to move it to git.lubuntu.me)
 like I had with phab
 @teward001 we don't need an LC vote or anything of the sort to add Rik, do we? Please do at your convenience ^^^^^^ (re @RikMills: can I get access to this?)
 Same with @Eickmeyer while we're at it :)
 /me thwacks @teward001 for holding Godpowers by himself XD
 I have them too. Let me see what I can do.
 You don't also happen to have them on WP do you? :) (re @kc2bez: I have them too. Let me see what I can do.)
 No, I just have regular WPadmin access.
 If it was a static site that wouldn't be an issue harharhar
[11:35] <RikMills> no hurry
 @Eickmeyer I know you are west coast, shoot me a PM when you are available and I will get you setup.
 working ok here. have updated calamares repor for recent uploads
 *repo
[13:30] <arraybolt3> tsimonq2: How dare you put a Flutter app *in* Lubuntu!
[13:30] <arraybolt3> ok so what was it, I missed it entirely :P
 It's the Firmware Updater app. We now have a native GUI for firmware updates. CC @lynorian
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtbase-opensource-src/+bug/2047023
[13:32] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2047023 in qtbase-opensource-src (Ubuntu) "Qt app crashed after upgrading Qt5 libraries to 5.15.10+dfsg-5build1 in noble-proposed" [Medium, Confirmed]
 I personally don't want to touch firmware with a 10 foot pole so I'll let the Desktop Team take any associated heat there :P
 I mean, unless someone knows of a way to safely simulate that...
[13:33] <arraybolt3> Didn't know we had a firmware updater. Nifty.
 I'd really like to say "no Flutter on Lubuntu period" but for that, I make an exception, and to be honest I think it's justifiable
[13:34] <arraybolt3> I assume all it does would be call fwupd though, that's like *the* way to deliver firmware updates IIUC. Obviously I'd have to check the code to find out for sure, but I don't know Dart...
 With the amount of recent security updates going to firmware of all recent devices, I think it would be great to also hook this into the update notifier. Say "hey, by the way, you have firmware updates and here's a button to open the graphical firmware updater provided by Canonical"
[13:35] <arraybolt3> btw Discover can *sorta* manage fwupd. Source - it's done or at least tried to do UEFI dbx updates before.
 That's... interesting. I wonder if we can disable that and the button for system settings...
[13:36] <arraybolt3> dbx = the revocation list that says "Someone blew it when implementing Secure Boot, don't boot images with these hashes"
 I say disable it so we force the user into one of two paths: expert mode or Canonical managed GUI mode
[13:36] <arraybolt3> The system settings button should go away once we stop seeding Blue devil.
[13:36] <arraybolt3> Thanks ChromeOS for autoincorrect
 We should be already?
[13:36] <arraybolt3> Then it should be gone?
 Use talk to Texans (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <arraybolt3> Thanks ChromeOS for autoincorrect)
 XD
[13:37] <arraybolt3> lol
 https://9to5linux.com/plymouth-linux-graphical-boot-manager-now-better-handles-display-rendering
[13:38] <arraybolt3> cool
[13:38] <arraybolt3> I can check on the system settings button once I start my day.
[13:40] <arraybolt3> If it's still there I'm going to be a bit frustrated :P
 Someone seeded aptitude 😉 so `aptitude why` might clue you in.
[13:40] <arraybolt3> nice
[13:41]  * arraybolt3 ❤ aptitude - very handy for debugging install filures
[13:41] <arraybolt3> *failures
 Thanks @tsimonq2
 I'd like to think we're the best flavor in terms of a starter set of basic CLI applications ;) (re @kc2bez: Someone seeded aptitude 😉 so aptitude why might clue you in.)
[13:42] <arraybolt3> We're the only ones to seed Vim, so we win automatically.
 Absolutely
 Vim (which I personally manage as a Core Dev in Ubuntu), htop, inxi, aptitude, tmux/byobu (which I think we should seed if we don't already)
 I think it fits really well with our vision and purpose, tbh
 I seeded aptitude in kubuntu a while back, as I got fed up of having to install it with each new test VM
 Now I can add translations in Galician and Basque that were not allowed before!!!!
 \o/
[14:50] <arraybolt3> RikMills, tsimonq2: I could have sworn we had demoted kde-config-updates to a Suggests of plasma-discover?
[14:51] <arraybolt3> It appears to still be a Recommends.
[14:51] <arraybolt3> (in Noble anyway)
 maybe the suggests got lost in a merge
[14:51] <arraybolt3> hmm
[14:51] <arraybolt3> If you would be so kind as to demote it again, that would be fantastic - it appears to be the last thing between us and having KDE System Settings no longer in Lubuntu.
[14:58] <RikMills> arraybolt3: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-discover/5.27.10-1ubuntu2
[14:58] <arraybolt3> Thank you!
[14:59] <arraybolt3> (While I'm here, I'm going to try to do a hopefully small bugfix - figure out why plasma-discover renders some icons black on Lubuntu when it doesn't on Kubuntu.)
[15:03] <RikMills> odd
[15:08] <arraybolt3> yeah I don't know what to make of it.
[15:09] <arraybolt3> Notice the KPatience and Yakuake logos here: https://i.imgur.com/bPBqbqZ.png
[15:10] <arraybolt3> wait... lol I know what's going on here I bet
[15:10] <arraybolt3> our icon theme (ePapirus) replaces a lot of default application icons.
[15:10] <arraybolt3> And Qt glitches out on some SVGs that aren't "compliant".
[15:10] <arraybolt3> So I bet these are just glitched SVGs.
[15:12] <arraybolt3> hmm, no, they're rendering just fine elsewhere
[15:13] <arraybolt3> but it definitely is the icon theme - if I change it to Oxygen, everything renders fine.
[15:13] <arraybolt3> (and looks like it's from 2014)
[15:15]  * arraybolt3 goes and downloads a Kubuntu 24.04 ISO to see if I can reproduce this there
[15:16] <arraybolt3> or actually, better yet, Neon User edition
[15:16] <arraybolt3> since I suspect this is an upstream Qt or KDE bug.
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/0c8f86ff/file_10288.jpg
 kubuntu
[15:41] <arraybolt3> right, because you're using the Breeze icon theme.
[15:41] <arraybolt3> Try installing papirus and switch to that, you'll almost certainly see it happen.
[15:42] <arraybolt3> slow internet is slow over here - still mid-downloading Neon
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/33203da2/file_10289.jpg
[15:46] <RikMills> arraybolt3: ^^^^ seems ok with papirus
[15:46]  * RikMills hides
[15:46] <arraybolt3> grrr
[15:47] <RikMills> anything interesting in the terminal if you start discover via that?
[15:47] <RikMills> :/
[15:55] <RikMills> no, that was in noble
[15:56] <arraybolt3> sigh
 Ok, all caught-up, @kc2bez got me set-up on g.l.m, we're good. (was confused due to lack of coffee, but Dan got me straightened out).
 Any other emergencies I should be aware of?
 I don't think so.
 Sweet. The thing about exiting daylight saving time in Seattle back in November is we gained an extra hour of rain.
 LOL
[16:46] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: You might need to seed kde-config-updates if you don't already.
[16:47] <arraybolt3> Since RikMills just demoted it to a Suggests of plasma-discover for us.
[16:47]  * Eickmeyer looks
[16:47]  * arraybolt3 thinks an extra hour of rain sounds awful
 Northern hemisphere, so more rainshine minutes starting now.
 Yeah, looking forward to the "long dark" as we call it starting to wane.
 Seattle is further north than the northern border of Maine, and therefore, Toronto, Canada.
[16:52] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: Yep, seems we're already seeding that in Studio.
[16:52] <arraybolt3> perfect
 I'm north of Toronto but you have me bested too. (re @Eickmeyer: Seattle is further north than the northern border of Maine, and therefore, Toronto, Canada.)
 Iceland and daylight today her in Hafnarfjord 11:20 to 15:31 @kc2bez - so bested... (re @kc2bez: I'm north of Toronto but you have me bested too.)
 Wait, you're a Canadian? (re @kc2bez: I'm north of Toronto but you have me bested too.)
 Almost
 Hahahaha :D me too, me too
 Although, when I go up north by Noah in Grand Forks, that's *really* New Canada, hah
 I am about 15 miles south of the border which is the St Lawrence River.
 I'm further north in the UK here than Seattle :P
 Geography is fun
 Bet no one further south than @guiverc ?
 That is likely true.
 "Hi, I'm taking a trip to Antarctica" XD
 nav bar has nothing to do with elementor btw (re @tsimonq2: @teward001 at your convenience, you are the only person with the ability to edit the navbar :) I'm all for a replacement, but we should make what we already have works)
 so i'm not the only one you just lazy and dont search for the proper components
 Oh I know that, it's just part of the admin interface that I currently don't have access to :) (re @teward001: nav bar has nothing to do with elementor btw)
 I've searched every menu
 it's not there lol
 so if you find it and can give me access please tell me XD
 not for either of those we just have to register them.  i'm not the only admin tho (re @tsimonq2: @teward001 we don't need an LC vote or anything of the sort to add Rik, do we? Please do at your convenience ^^^^^^)
 you're listed as site admin.  that already gives access.  :/ (re @tsimonq2: so if you find it and can give me access please tell me XD)
 i'll check but it IS a holiday errand day for me so lubuntu is secondary to holiday tasks
[21:49] <kc2bez> @tsimonq2 the sidebar in the Blog?
 no the navbar
[21:49] <kc2bez> Oh, at the top
 yes :)
[21:50] <kc2bez> Menus, in the appearance section.
[21:59] <kc2bez> Theme options might have some of what you want too.
[22:24] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-config/1.4.0-0ubuntu2
[22:25] <tsimonq2> I have no Appearance section.
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/e9f53ae1/file_10290.jpg
[22:47] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-session/1.4.0-0ubuntu2
[22:47] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-panel/1.4.0-0ubuntu2
[22:47] <tsimonq2> arraybolt3: https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-runner/commit/86887e7dd6639e10d039b560cbfbab2bcf72da92
[22:47] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Commit 86887e7 in lxqt/lxqt-runner "Hide window on deactivation under Wayland (#273)"
[23:35] <guiverc> https://lubuntu.me/downloads/ has been modified to point to https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/qa-testing-information/4719 instead of phab link
[23:37] <guiverc> thanks kc2bez , wish I'd thought of that (alas forgot)


[00:16] <Takyoji> Anyone know how to open any electronic that is internally secured with no screws or other straightforward methods of getting inside of them? i.e. a laptop power adapter
[00:17] <_diablo> Takyoji: i'd use a knife and try to pop it open... but you'll probably destroy it
[00:37] <Takyoji> I suppose I wouldn't mind if I just smashed the plastic with a hammer anyway
[00:37] <_diablo> lol
[02:24] <Adremelech> dremel
[02:24] <Adremelech> but then you risk cutting something on the inside without knowing it
[02:56] <Takyoji> or a hack saw. xP
[04:10] <Takyoji> Oh joy.. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/08/oracle-sues-google-over-use-of-java-in-android-sdk.ars
[04:36] <Adremelech> i tried making something for android
[04:36] <Adremelech> but i didnt quite understant how to begin
[04:36] <Adremelech> not that im a java person though
[07:58] <Takyoji> Ick. My smartphone has support ONLY for patent-encumbered formats.