[09:44] <jhutchins> eagles0513875: There's a wizard in mandriva?
[09:44] <anon32> they compiled vlc without -V fb...
[09:44] <jhutchins> kwifimanager helps with roaming.
[09:45] <htedrom> anon32: hmm thanks
[09:45] <anon32> :-(
[09:45] <anon32> file a bug to get it fixed?
[09:45] <anon32> or use rythmbox :-)
[09:45] <htedrom> mm yea well i might switch to exaile
[09:45] <dwidmann> looks like I'll need to recompile k3b yet :\
[09:45] <htedrom> but amarok is just such a looker
[09:45] <anon32> "fetching file 100 of 1075 at 64.1kb/s" - this could take a while...
[09:46] <ins-dragonclaw> haha
[09:46] <Yorokobi> amarok-xine works great for me
[09:46] <Yorokobi> Of course, I'm using jriddell's 1.45 build
[09:46] <Yorokobi> of amarok
[09:46] <anon32> GAH, the upgrade manager can't be stopped????? EVIL!
[09:47] <htedrom> Yorokobi: of xine or amarok?
[09:47] <The_Machine> anon32: how do i mount a USB HDD that automatically mounts with umask=000?
[09:47] <The_Machine> :)
[09:47] <anon32> The_Machine, dunno, something with fstab
[09:47] <htedrom> Yorokobi: think it will fix my woes... amarok really chokes up whenever i change songs
[09:47] <The_Machine> k
[09:47] <htedrom> Yorokobi: or stop, or play, or anything.
[09:48] <ins-dragonclaw> anon32: yes you can stop it
[09:48] <Yorokobi> htedrom, amarok 1.45
[09:48] <ins-dragonclaw> it's called the Big Red Power Button XD
[09:48] <Yorokobi> htedrom, http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.5.php
[09:49] <anon32> The_Machine, if you know the UUID of the disk partition, you can put in something like 'UUID=foo /mnt/bar ext3 umask=000
[09:49] <anon32> and if you have an ntfs USB HDD, you deserve to be shot
[09:50] <n1ywb> I installed kubuntu by booting the alt ISO in vmware in windows (don't ask why) and installed sucessfully (except for LILO, I hand configured grub) onto an LVM LV on my /dev/hda3 partition
[09:50] <dwidmann> anon32? which upgrade manager?
[09:50] <aaroncampbell> is this the list of the cards that nvidia-glx supports: http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_18897.html (clicked "supported products" on http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-9755.html )
[09:50] <anon32> dwidmann, the Ubuntu one :-\
[09:50] <n1ywb> Now when I boot on the physical hardware, it seems to thing my disk is a SCSI disk
[09:51] <anon32> dunno, seems like I can't stop a dist-upgrade
[09:51] <dwidmann> anon32: the new one?
[09:51] <anon32> new?
[09:51] <n1ywb> I don't have /dev/hda, just /dev/hda. I don't actually have a scsi controller in here and my drive is not SATA, it's PATA100
[09:51] <n1ywb> any ideas?
[09:51] <osh_> security.ubuntu.com hammered and down?
[09:51] <dwidmann> just quit the process, and then go into the process list and kill python
[09:51] <anon32> Ubuntu's mirrors die too often....
[09:52] <anon32> dwidmann, yeah, I figured that - although it leaves my sources.list in borkage mode
[09:52] <osh_> anon32: seems to be the case now
[09:52] <dwidmann> before you go to resume it, remove the "archive.ubuntu.com" entry that it added near the bottom
[09:52] <dwidmann> I've only been able to get the gb.archive.ubuntu.com mirror to work lately
[09:53] <anon32> dwidmann, ah well, time to risk all with a feisty upgradd
[09:53] <n1ywb> is there a hardware detection tool like kudzu or something that I should run? or some special kernel argument I should pass?
[09:53] <anon32> w00t for suicidal mode@
[09:53] <SeanTater3> Is there a way to traceroute or nmap from an Ubuntu live cd?
[09:53] <anon32> think I cleaned out most my unsupported components, but who knows?
[09:53] <The_Machine> i deserve to be shot?
[09:53] <The_Machine> heh
[09:53] <The_Machine> perhaps.
[09:53] <anon32> The_Machine, yeah, reformat your USB HDD, ext3
[09:53] <osh_> SeanTater3: apt-get it?
[09:53] <anon32> or ext2
[09:53] <anon32> or even fat32, but not NTFS
[09:54] <dwidmann> anon32: be careful before you reboot that things such as the kernel are installed, do so by typing in "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" before you let it reboot
[09:54] <anon32> dwidmann, yeah... lol
[09:54] <dwidmann> Otherwise you'll have to chroot in to fix things, and take my word for how messy that is :(
[09:54] <SeanTater3> osh_: okay -- did not know that would work on a live cd
[09:55] <ins-dragonclaw> ahahaha
[09:55] <ins-dragonclaw> I love konqueror
[09:55] <anon32> dwidmann, I look forward to fakeraid support in the kernel and xorg 7.2 :-\
[09:55] <anon32> but maybe it won't work and I'll fail it
[09:55] <osh_> SeanTater3: It does. Don't upgrade though. It probably won't fit and won't survive the reboot (if new kernel)
[09:55] <SeanTater3> osh_: thanks
[09:55] <ins-dragonclaw> fictionpress thinks i'm using firefox 1.7.4 on XP .... XD
[09:55] <SeanTater3> osh_: thanks
[09:55] <dwidmann> anon32: has that been integrated?
[09:55] <SeanTater3> osh_: oops
[09:55] <anon32> dwidmann, into feisty? yes
[09:55] <dwidmann> I know xorg 7.2 is in, but dmraid also?
[09:55] <anon32> 2.6.19 kernel and xorg 7.2 final
[09:56] <eagles0513875> is it rather easy to setup raid with linux
[09:56] <dwidmann> --2.6.20 kernel
[09:56] <anon32> dwidmann, really? backport?
[09:56] <dwidmann> eagles0513875: yeah, pretty easy
[09:56] <dwidmann> no
[09:56] <dwidmann> default
[09:56] <eagles0513875> kool
[09:56] <anon32> oh yeah, it's not kernel freeze yet
[09:56] <eagles0513875> all i have to do is get my desktop to work
[09:56] <dwidmann> it has been the default since like, herd 2
[09:56] <osh_> eagles0513875: with a new install or adding it later? new install, fairly easy. adding later, a little more tricky. imho
[09:57] <anon32> dwidmann, I thought it used to be 2.6.19
[09:57] <dwidmann> very early on, yes
[09:57] <anon32> dunno, maybe I'm losing it
[09:57] <htedrom> Yorokobi: yea, i'm using 1.4.5
[09:57] <aaroncampbell> How often are new video cards added to the nvidia-glx drivers?
[09:57] <anon32> dwidmann, will there be issues if I'm dist-upgrading Ubuntu (not Kubuntu) but with some KDE 3.5.6 packages?
[09:58] <sgarden> Hi, can I ask for some support?
[09:58] <dwidmann> anon32: I don't think so, if kubuntu-desktop isn't installed, it will install it
[09:58] <Yorokobi> htedrom, dunno what to tell you. I haven't tried 1.4.5 with media on my local HDD, I use it to talk to my iPod. I have not had any problems.
[09:58] <anon32> dwidmann, ow... I don't want the rest of KDE, lol
[09:58] <eagles0513875> new install only problem i rmaed the mobo i have in my desktop atm but for some reason
[09:59] <eagles0513875> they sent it back to me with the same problem which was the cpu fan and video fan not working
[09:59] <eagles0513875> im rather pissed at asus
[09:59] <Yorokobi> htedrom, maybe its a hardware issue ... *shrug*
[09:59] <dwidmann> anon32: and I didn't really want the rest of kubuntu ... but I'll henpick to get my setup back
[09:59] <richb> Ahh that went oki'ish.
[09:59] <eagles0513875> i actually came back to kubuntu after trying pclinuxos
[09:59] <eagles0513875> its nice but no latex frontends
[09:59] <sgarden> Hi. Maybe I've not RTFM enough. But... I can't see the spash screen of kubuntu because "out of sync" video rate. Not critical since everything goes OK when X starts. But how can I fix it?
[10:01] <dwidmann> sgarden, I'm not sure, worst case scenario you could disable usplash
[10:01] <smile> hi guys.. something new in linux world ? i were absent for 15 days
[10:01] <anon32> smile, yeah, MS went bankrupt
[10:01] <anon32> oh wait, you wanted real facts? lol
[10:02] <dwidmann> hehehe
[10:02] <smile> anon32: bankrupt ?? what that means ?
[10:02] <Yorokobi> sgarden, I think you need to use a kernel boot option to set your video prefs ... its been too long since I last looked at that issue.
[10:02] <anon32> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bankruptcy
[10:02] <sgarden> what's a pity. It lookes nice according to kubuntu webby screen shoots. :)
[10:02] <anon32> does anything in kde4 work?
[10:02] <The_Machine> hah
[10:03] <dwidmann> smile: well, I can't recall if these two things were in the last 15 days or not, but Feisty beta 1 has been released, there's a new dist-upgrade tool for kubuntu, and k3b 1.0 has officially been released
[10:03] <The_Machine> Nothing.
[10:03] <anon32> The_Machine, thought so, lol
[10:03] <dwidmann> Oh, and the actual schedule for kde4 has been released, it will be released in october
[10:03] <qbert_> i am trying to install firefox via adept, but its saying BREAK (  install ) , how do i fix that ?
[10:04] <richb> Oh there is an app for for setting up the network interfaces.
[10:04] <anon32> qbert_, use apt instead?
[10:04] <anon32> richb, yeah, ifconfig
[10:04] <richb> anon32 and route... yep..
[10:04] <dwidmann> richb: or you could just ask instead of rtfming, can often get a good response that way too
[10:04] <sgarden> Whatever the splashscreen bug. I have an other one for real ackers (trying to capture people thight).
[10:05] <sgarden> I can't see my NSLU2 share through konkeror. Any idea?
[10:05] <richb> dwidmann: Ahh I fudged my way through getting the network working:-)
[10:05] <tomlulu> hello
[10:07] <smile> is kaffeine based on xine ?
[10:07] <anon32> yes
[10:07] <anon32> kaffiene-xine is at least
[10:07] <qbert_> firefox: Depends: libmyspell3c2 but it is not installable'
[10:07] <anon32> qbert_, try installing libmyspell3c2, see what happens
[10:07] <smile> anon32: and mplayer too ?
[10:08] <anon32> smile, mplayer is based on ffmpeg
[10:08] <anon32> no xine there
[10:08] <anon32> vlc is too
[10:08] <smile> anon32: vlc is based on xine too ?
[10:08] <anon32> no, vlc is based on ffmpeg, just like mplayer
[10:09] <smile> anon32: thx
[10:09] <anon32> smile, yeah... mplayer > vlc for most things though
[10:10] <smile> anon32: who is better ? vlc or xine ?
[10:10] <qbert_> anon32: i see the package is unstable, how do i turn on the right repository so i can use adept with it  ?
[10:10] <smile> anon32: i want play movie rate and it's bad on xine :-(
[10:10] <anon32> smile, vlc :-) - unless you use beryl
[10:11] <anon32> smile, is your CPU old?
[10:11] <smile> anon32: no .. i dont use beryl
[10:11] <anon32> VLC ftw :-)
[10:11] <Matt101> hello I'm havein problem how do I mount my cdrom as root?
[10:11] <anon32> and the next 0.9.0 release will be built on QT :-)
[10:11] <Yorokobi> vlc is hit or miss with beryl for me. It seems to change depending on what video card I'm using.
[10:11] <anon32> Matt101, sudo mount -t iso9660 /dev/hda(?) /media/cdrom0 ?
[10:12] <iwonka> cze
[10:12] <ins-dragonclaw> lol
[10:12] <ins-dragonclaw> !cz
[10:12] <ubotu> esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[10:12] <Matt101> I'm just trying to music CD
[10:12] <Matt101> is all
[10:12] <anon32> Matt101, oh... you don't mount music CDs
[10:12] <Yorokobi> don't mount audio CDs
[10:12] <smile> anon32: can vlc read video stream.nsv ?
[10:13] <ins-dragonclaw> Amarok > Engage > Play audio CD
[10:13] <ins-dragonclaw> or kscd
[10:13] <Matt101> ok
[10:13] <anon32> smile, hit-or-miss, VLC supports VP3.x and VP6.2, so some work and some don't
[10:13] <Matt101> told me need root to mount
[10:13] <anon32> also, if you use dapper or edgy, VLC won't support VP6.2 (libavcodec problem)
[10:13] <ins-dragonclaw> yeah, but you no need mound music CDs
[10:13] <ins-dragonclaw> mount*
[10:13] <Yorokobi> Matt101, add yourself to the audio group
[10:13] <smile> anon32: I dont get this ? axplain mor plz ? .. what is VPx ?
[10:14] <anon32> smile, VP is On2 VP's proprietary codec, nsv streams use either v3.x or v6.x
[10:14] <anon32> VLC (through libavcodec) supports v3.x and v6.2
[10:14] <smile> anon32: are they installed otomaticly or manually ?
[10:14] <anon32> smile, yes, apt-get install vlc covers every codec
[10:15] <anon32> don't install vlc's mozilla plugin though, it doesn't work
[10:15] <eagles0513875> how do i change from single clicking or double clickin
[10:15] <smile> anon32: ok :-)
[10:16] <anon32> smile, I like mplayer-nogui though :-)
[10:17] <Matt101> guys I feel like a dum azz
[10:17] <Matt101> but this is what it says mount: must be superuser to use mount
[10:18] <anon32> Matt101, yes, use pmount
[10:18] <anon32> Matt101, but if you want to play an audio CD, don't mount - it doesn't work that way
[10:18] <anon32> <cd playing app> /dev/hda
[10:18] <Kuwanger> For some reason, cnn.com keeps crashing mozilla. :/
[10:18] <anon32> Kuwanger, noscript then :-)
[10:19] <anon32> it can even reduce mozilla's memory leak rate
[10:19] <Matt101> WOW
[10:19] <anon32> ha, netsplit
[10:19] <Matt101> what was that
[10:19] <Kuwanger> anon32: There's two reasons why that won't work.  One, this is mozilla, not firefox.
[10:20] <anon32> so what?
[10:20] <anon32> .......
[10:20] <Matt101> crazy but that's how it ges
[10:20] <N6REJ> good afternoon all
[10:20] <Kuwanger> anon32: Two, cnn.com isn't the only thing causing crashing.  And most of those things causing crashing require javascript.
[10:20] <anon32> irc needs to be cyclical...
[10:20] <anon32> Kuwanger, ah well
[10:21] <anon32> and btw, noscript runs on the mozilla suite too...
[10:22] <Matt101> dammit I guess I'll have to do something els or check the fourms
[10:23] <n1ywb> is there any particular reason why my ata133 disk is connected to /dev/sda?
[10:23] <Matt101> the fourms are helpfull if you dig
[10:23] <Kuwanger> anon32: How do you install noscript in mozilla-suite?
[10:23] <anon32> Kuwanger, open the .xpi
[10:23] <anon32> :-\
[10:23] <anon32> oh btw, you should be using seamonkey, mozilla is deprecated
[10:24] <Irayo> I have three sound cards, but two of them don't have speakers connected; how do I set the default for arts, alsa, etc.?
[10:24] <Kuwanger> anon32: I would be but I didn't see it listed in adept manager.
[10:27] <mirko> hallo, ich hier, wer da
[10:28] <eilker> !de
[10:28] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:28] <qbert_> apt-get install emacs, no package emacs ?!?
[10:28] <eilker> !emacs
[10:28] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[10:28] <bjohnson> could someone point me to info about setting up a cron job in kubuntu?  I'm trying to get my cron job froma fedora machine to work and I wonder if the problem is something to do with permissions.  Do cron jobs run as root?
[10:29] <eilker> qbert_> : there should be
[10:29] <Yorokobi> All this talk of adept and apt-get reminds me why I still use dselect
[10:29] <meme-2> Anyone familiar with Beryl? I just installed it... and it was working beautifully until I did something wrong. Now when I drag a window, windows backgrounds do not refresh (rather, dragged windows leave a "ghost" of themselves).   I'm talking about the file in /etc/cron.hourly and others
[10:29] <smile> anon32: vlc dont install VPx plugins !!! just libiso,libmpeg, libtar, libvcd, libxosd, xwvlc
[10:29] <smile> anon32: something wrong ?
[10:30] <anon32> smile, it's part of libavcodec
[10:30] <anon32> you probably already have that
[10:30] <anon32> also, the rest of the codecs are statically linked
[10:30] <smile> anon32: mm ok .. thx again
[10:31] <Kuwanger> anon32: Am I using the wrong package manager?  Or is seamonkey named something else?  Or is it not available as a package?
[10:31] <anon32> Kuwanger, it's a recent name change, maybe apt doesn't respect it?
[10:31] <Yorokobi> Kuwanger, do you have the universe and multiverse repos enabled?
[10:31] <Kuwanger> Yorokobi: Got me.
[10:32] <Kuwanger> Yorokobi: How would I enable both?
[10:32] <Yorokobi> In adept? I'd have to look (as I never use it)
[10:33] <Kuwanger> Yorokobi: Well, I'm just using it because it was the only GUI package manager I saw installed by the installer.
[10:34] <iwonka> mwi kto po polsku?
[10:35] <Yorokobi> Well, Kuwanger I don't even have it installed and I haven't found decent docs online yet. 'sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list' and uncomment the universe and multiverse entries.
[10:35] <Yorokobi> then 'sudo apt-get update'
[10:37] <Kuwanger> Yorokobi: Even the edgy-backports?
[10:37] <Yorokobi> Kuwanger, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlwaysEnableUniverseMultiverse
[10:38] <Yorokobi> Yes, even backports
[10:38] <Yorokobi> and security
[10:39] <Kuwanger> Yorokobi: Okay, fetching updates.
[10:41] <smile> when i play a video stream with VLC i get a main error "subpicture heap is full "
[10:41] <smile> how can i solve that ?
[10:43] <orient2000> Hi! How can I resize partition in 6.10 kubuntu. It is fresh install after update.
[10:43] <soulrider__> smile: no idea, maybe you can try their channel... ?
[10:43] <smile> soulrider: what u mean ?
[10:44] <soulrider> orient2000: im not sure but maybe qtparted can resize them
[10:44] <soulrider> smile: they probably have an IRC channel, maybe theyc an help you
[10:44] <soulrider> orient2000: you should use qtparted from the liveCD, its int he kmenu under system
[10:47] <orient2000> thanks
[11:00] <newbie_101> i am having a problem with my keyboard, can i get some help////
[11:01] <newbie_101> my keyboard is acting up can i ge some help please??/
[11:02] <richb> newbie_101: Acting up how?
[11:02] <richb> Meh, nm.
[11:09] <maki> where can i find the sources list for 7.04
[11:09] <maki> i have some from 6.10
[11:10] <maki> and this give me problems
[11:10] <DiThi> hi!!
[11:10] <DiThi> I've just upgraded to feisty
[11:11] <DiThi> but it doesn't boot
[11:11] <Cugel> DiThi: what error + what type of motherboard do you have.
[11:11] <Cugel> There's a known bug with some types of motherboards.
[11:12] <DiThi> ibgcc_s.so.1 must be installed for pthread_cancel to work
[11:12] <maki> DiThi:why did you upgrade to feasty :)
[11:12] <DiThi> libgcc_s.so.1 i mean
[11:12] <DiThi> because I want to help with bugs
[11:12] <DiThi> computer is a laptop, intel centrino
[11:13] <maki> DiThi:i have feasty also,because 6.10 was to stable for me
[11:14] <DiThi> Cugel: do you have any clue about what that message means?
[11:14] <maki> wait help from the guru's
[11:14] <DiThi> ok
[11:14] <athena> 1 hrs till dist-upgrade completion.... lame...
[11:14] <athena> WHY ARE UBUNTU SERVERS SO SLOW?
[11:14] <Cugel> Well no -- although i think there's a module missing from your kernel.
[11:15] <athena> the servers aren't actually located in Africa are they?
[11:15] <maki> because feisty is still beta
[11:15] <athena> maki, what's that have to do with the servers?
[11:15] <DiThi> athena: there are mirrors everywhere
[11:15] <athena> DiThi, then why are they all so slow???
[11:15] <athena> 66.2kbps dl, wtf?
[11:15] <maki> athena:i like to put a clean sources.list
[11:16] <foloex> bonsoir
[11:16] <DiThi> maybe a lot of ppl is upgrading
[11:16] <HaSH> i want to install just pureadmin but it wants to install others stuff too..i already have pure-ftpd install(compiled myself...with some added features)
[11:16] <maki> now its mess up
[11:17] <HaSH> !iso
[11:17] <ubotu> To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[11:17] <luke-jr|work> Is kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso a LiveCD?
[11:18] <DiThi> luke-jr|work: yes
[11:18] <DiThi> live with installer
[11:18] <DiThi> it was renamed to desktop since it includes an installer
[11:20] <Ayabara> do you guys use digikam for image collections and editing?
[11:21] <DiThi> the problem happened with -386
[11:21] <DiThi> going to try with -generic
[11:23] <Kuwanger> Well, hm..  Still don't see seamonkey. :/
[11:24] <athena> Kuwanger, dl the tarball from mozilla.com ?
[11:24] <athena> or mozilla.org *
[11:25] <Kuwanger> athena: Ie, it's not in any of the respositories?
[11:25] <czubass> hello
[11:25] <czubass> jest ktos z polski:P
[11:25] <athena> Kuwanger, nope, doesn't look like it - it could be that mozilla == seamonkey and they never bothered renaming the packages
[11:25] <Kuwanger> athena: Nope.
[11:27] <eilker> !compling kernel
[11:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about compling kernel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:27] <Arwen> !kernel
[11:27] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[11:29] <soulrider> is there a place where i can view a log of when packages where installed ?
[11:29] <Ayabara> is there a place to get 0.9.x packages for digikam?
[11:29] <Kuwanger> !seamonkey
[11:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seamonkey - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:30] <aaroncampbell> is this the list of the cards that nvidia-glx supports: http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_18897.html (clicked "supported products" on http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-9755.html )
[11:31] <Shinigami> Hello all.  I have a hopefully quick question about mounting a windows share.  I get and error that says 'only root can mount //computername/folder on /mnt/folder'. Is there a way I can set it to mount as root at boot?
[11:31] <Arwen> Shinigami, yes, use fstab
[11:32] <DiThi> wow, it seems the problem was a lot of packages not configured
[11:32] <Shinigami> Arwen: I have it listed there alreay.  I'll recheck the setting. thank you.
[11:32] <Shinigami> At least I'm closer :0
[11:36] <soulrider> Shinigami: you can mount yes, but maybe you forgot to add sudo at the beggining ;)
[11:36] <Arwen> Kuwanger, which one? it *probably* can
[11:37] <Kuwanger> Well, more a question of how to set it up.  It's an ATI Technologies, Inc. 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X.
[11:38] <aaroncampbell> I have 5 - 500G SataII drives that I want to set up as a RAID.  How would I go about doing that?
[11:39] <Arwen> aaroncampbell, with your system's raid config tools
[11:39] <Arwen> depends what system you have
[11:39] <aaroncampbell> I was told that I can make a software raid.
[11:39] <Arwen> aaroncampbell, yeah, but that sucks
[11:39] <aaroncampbell> that kubuntu can handle it
[11:40] <Kuwanger> Arwen: What's the proper way to enable 3D/DRI?
[11:40] <Arwen> Kuwanger, card?
[11:40] <Arwen> aaroncampbell, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html
[11:40] <Kuwanger> Arwen: It's an ATI Technologies, Inc. 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X.
[11:40] <Arwen> Kuwanger, um.... buy a new card? lol
[11:40] <Arwen> that one ain't even supported by fglrx
[11:41] <Kuwanger> Arwen: Why would I want to use fglrx?
[11:41] <Arwen> because it has proper support for 3d?
[11:41] <Arwen> !fglrx
[11:41] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:41] <Kuwanger> Arwen: Um, so does open source driver.
[11:41] <Arwen> for like 2 cards...
[11:42] <Arwen> Kuwanger, check the list, I think it's not supported, seriously, get a newer card
[11:42] <Kuwanger> Arwen: Um..I don't want to use the binary driver, anyways.
[11:42] <Arwen> lol, fglrx does suck :-\
[11:45] <Arwen> Kuwanger, anyway, the hardware support list says your card isn't supported by any driver
[11:46] <Kuwanger> Arwen: http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/ATIMach64?action=highlight&value=CategoryHardware
[11:47] <Arwen> Kuwanger, ok, I take my statement back
[11:47] <Arwen> that looks like you need an experimental xorg though
[11:48] <Shinigami> Thanks for the tips guys *waves*
[11:49] <Kuwanger> Arwen: Interesting stuff.
[11:49] <Arwen> yeah, I still say you should get an nvidia card though :-)
[11:50] <Kuwanger> Arwen: And while I'm at it, why not buy Vista?
[11:50] <Arwen> Kuwanger, what's Vista have to do with this?????
[11:50] <Arwen> please don't start off on non sequiturs
[11:50] <Kuwanger> Arwen: What's nvidia have to wanting to get my current video card working?
[11:50] <Kuwanger> +do with
[11:50] <Arwen> nothing, other than nvidia cards work very well?
[11:51] <Kuwanger> Arwen: Um, no, nvidia cards don't work "very well".
[11:51] <Arwen> um, actually, they do
[11:51] <Chousuke> only with the binary blob
[11:51] <Arwen> who cares if it works?
[11:51] <Chousuke> some people do
[11:52] <Arwen> well, too bad for them, geez
[11:52] <Arwen> yay, 1 min to dist-upgrade start
[11:52] <MinceR> it would work better if the official driver was open source but you'll have to get intel for that
[11:52] <Kuwanger> Arwen: Even with the binary blob, I had pretty routine crashing. :/
[11:52] <MinceR> and intel chips aren't that high-performance
[11:52] <Arwen> hmm, Kuwanger, perhaps, I remember fglrx crashing my system a lot
[11:52] <Arwen> MinceR, lol, true
[11:52] <Arwen> what's sad is that intel is faster than the r300 driver..
[11:53] <Chousuke> Rage Pro should be supported by x.org though I think :/
[11:53] <Kuwanger> Arwen: I've never used fglrx.  I've pretty well avoided binary blobs as much as possible since the nvidia card.
[11:53] <Chousuke> it's an old card anyway
[11:53] <Kuwanger> Chousuke: From the sound of it, it was supported, but then people recognized that the driver had a few large security vulnerabilities in it and they're still working on work arounds for them.
[11:53] <Arwen> dist-upgrade in progress.... anyone wanna wish me luck?
[11:54] <[xelent] _> Woohoo!! I found out what media player this is http://ic3.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/085/a/1/Linux_X_by_binyaryar.png
[11:54] <Morbo> Which is that/
[11:55] <Arwen> ...and nothing works while dist-upgrade is in progress
[11:55] <frojnd> how can I connect to a local maschine with command line, if I know username and passoword of that XP box maschine?
[11:55] <frojnd> do I have to have installed smth, or I can hack by any chance
[11:55] <[xelent] _> Jetaudio, using wine
[11:55] <Arwen> [xelent] _, xmms? amarok?
[11:56] <Arwen> [xelent] _, really? it doesn't have that wine look to it :-O
[11:56] <karacal> turn off
[11:56] <[xelent] _> lol, it looks ok
[11:56] <Morbo> using wine just fr a media player seems a bit silly
[11:57] <[xelent] _> yeah, i just wanted to know what it was though
[11:57] <Arwen> yeah, I can't think of anything that I'd install wine for
[11:57] <Morbo> amarok, ftw
[11:57] <Arwen> games maybe, but wine + games = fail;
[11:57] <[xelent] _> oh well, i wont be using it, lol
[11:58] <MK_Mike> I managed to get Steam + counter strick source working on wine perfectly well it was runing better than windows
[11:58] <Morbo> O_o
[11:58] <Arwen> mm, I don't play games because 1) I'm poor and 2) my video card id poorer
[11:58] <Morbo> What does "better than Windows mean"?
[11:58] <MK_Mike> lmao
[11:59] <Arwen> Oblivion actually runs in wine now, just not very well
[11:59] <Arwen> Morbo, more fps, some games are like that, e.g. call of duty
[11:59] <MK_Mike> i had more fps than i did in windows and the graphics were better
[11:59] <Morbo> Ahh
[11:59] <Morbo> The only games i play are Q3 and UT2004
[11:59] <Morbo> Well, excluding tetris and the like
[11:59] <phantom> hi
[11:59] <MK_Mike> ut2004 is there a linux version of that?
[12:00] <MK_Mike> Hello!
[12:00] <phantom> hi pipz
[12:00] <MK_Mike> i said Hello!
[12:00] <MK_Mike> lol
[12:01] <iain_> hey all
[12:02] <iain_> wondered if there's any Kgods out there who know anything about resolution issues....
[12:03] <iain_> seems you guys are afk. oh well. cheers anyway.
[12:04] <freyelise> anyone awake in here? :)
[12:08] <aaroncampbell> What RAID cards work well with (K)ubuntu
[12:09] <phantom> hi
[12:09] <phantom> can you guys help me?
[12:09] <phantom> how can i join other rooms?
[12:10] <aaroncampbell>  /join #otherroom
[12:10] <phantom> can you suggest me other rooms?
[12:11] <BluesKaj> phantom, what other rooms ...if you know the chatroom name , the type in the server textbox  /join #chatroomname
[12:11] <aaroncampbell> nope...there are 71953 channels (rooms), and each is for something specific...depends on what you want help with
[12:11] <phantom> oh, tnx
[12:13] <freyelise> anyone able to help me get my dsl connection working?


[13:58] <rick_h> mornings and such
[14:04] <cmaloney> Good morning
[14:04] <cmaloney> How's the day?
[14:05] <jrwren> progressing too quickly.
[14:05] <jrwren> Good morning.
[14:05] <jrwren> How is your day cmaloney?
[14:05] <rick_h> well I did a bunch of stuff writing out May 3, then saw twitter and the "may the fourth" and so now I feel like it's a new day
[14:07] <cmaloney> so far so good
[14:07] <cmaloney> rick_h: ++
[14:09] <shakes808> cmaloney: are you still looking for work?
[14:09] <cmaloney> shakes808: I am
[14:09] <shakes808> i came across this last night: https://remoteok.io/
[14:10] <cmaloney> Neat.  People are terrible
[14:13] <shakes808> haha, and you think Meijer is at all better?  I know some people that worked there and they say they treat the people like shit.   i know you are kidding ( half way ) about working there.
[14:13] <jrwren> i want to be greeter at meijer. I love people.
[14:14] <jrwren> but not for 20 more yrs. That is my retirement job. preferably at the petoskey, mi meijer location :)
[14:14] <shakes808> jrwren: knock yourself out.   no literally!  that would yield better results ;)
[14:14] <shakes808> what is up in petoskey?
[14:14] <jrwren> i just like it there.
[14:14] <jrwren> its beautiful in the summer.
[14:15] <cmaloney> shakes808: I worked for Meijer during college
[14:15] <shakes808> gotcha.  should look out west, Alaska or Colorado :)
[14:15] <rick_h> jrwren: a fine dream :)
[14:15] <cmaloney> I'm sure it's different now, but back then it was a decent job
[14:15] <cmaloney> save for the bottle return, which was rubbish. Literally.
[14:15] <jrwren> rick_h: the dream of 20 more yrs of work?  yes, very fine. :P
[14:16] <cmaloney> Had one guy come up with a bag of garbage and cans that almost made me want to puke
[14:16] <cmaloney> told my manager and we gave it back to the customer.
[14:16] <rick_h> jrwren: I mean off to petosky and a job that forces you to talk to people so you're not making up reasons to go to the dr for human interaction
[14:16] <jrwren> hahahahahaha
[14:17] <rick_h> jrwren: thus...a fine dream :)


[07:28] <elfy> morning
[08:40] <Noskcaj> elfy, DId you get the chance to test ppa:noskcaj/upower?
[08:40] <elfy> Noskcaj: have you read the backlog at all?
[08:40] <Noskcaj> Not really, i lose 6 hours of it when i disconnect, so it's hard to
[08:40] <elfy> heh
[08:40] <elfy> hang on
[08:41] <elfy> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/09/11/%23xubuntu-devel.html
[08:42] <elfy> we discussed this a fair bit yesterday - the most important bit is at 14:25
[08:42] <elfy> are there any FFe's for this yet?
[08:44] <Noskcaj> no, not the ppa is near done, ill make the FFe on sunday (busy with stuff like a soccer grand final till then)
[08:44] <Noskcaj> *now
[08:44] <elfy> so the FFe is going to be even later
[08:46] <Noskcaj> yeah :(
[08:47] <Noskcaj> We were waiting for some phone guys to be ready (i.e. this month)
[08:47] <elfy> mmm
[08:47] <Noskcaj> And xfce is the only DE that isn't completely ready upstream
[08:47] <elfy> and?
[08:49] <elfy> to quote knome "	it's plain *wrong* to *start* *planning* a *new version* upload *after* the *FF*"
[08:50] <Noskcaj> the plan was started as soon as 3.12 released
[08:50] <Noskcaj> It's just phone guys were busy
[08:50] <Noskcaj> and debian hadn't done it till the start of august
[08:51] <elfy> Noskcaj: where are the discussions about this - we tried to find some yesterday, but apart from a couple of random comments in -gnome we couldn't find anything
[08:51] <Noskcaj> Which consisted of "fix it if it breaks" from the utopia team to most of the smaller packaging teams
[08:54] <Noskcaj> There's not a huge lot, mostly just darkxst and i looking at stuff months back
[08:54] <Noskcaj> then hoping the ubuntu-core and -phone guys would have time sooner
[08:54] <knome> Noskcaj, the whole issue is really badly planned and executed
[08:54] <Noskcaj> yep
[08:55] <knome> so then stop driving the FFe train
[08:55] <Noskcaj> unity makes this stuff *really* hard
[08:56] <Noskcaj> I'm only going to keep driving if it's ok will xubuntu, ad as it doesn't look like it, i think gnome will be at 3.8/3.6 a while longer
[08:56] <knome> at this point of the cycle, it really isn't okay
[09:27] <Luyin> elfy: are you here?
[09:27] <Luyin> btw, hi room
[09:49] <Luyin> morning, slickymasterWork
[09:49] <knome> Luyin, if you have a QA-related question, just shoot
[09:50] <Luyin> knome: already solved it, thanks ;)
[09:50] <qwebirc769355> hey Luyin, what's up?
[09:52] <Luyin> qwebirc769355: I was going to ask a question about translating, but I resolved it. just looked around the launchpad pages and got used to how everything works
[09:53] <qwebirc769355> great. Don't forget, we're always around, so don't hesitate to poke us whenever you're having doubts
[09:53] <qwebirc769355> and thanks for steping in and helpi
[10:02] <Luyin> isn't there a german localisation mailing list? https://lists.ubuntu.com/#Development+Lists
[10:06] <slickymasterWork> Luyin: would this be what you're looking for -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGermanTranslators/Mithelfen#Weitere_Anforderungen
[10:14] <Luyin> slickymaster: looks good
[10:14] <Luyin> thanks
[10:25] <slickymasterWork> damn connectivity
[10:25] <knome> ;)
[10:28] <elfy> Luyin: what's up?
[10:29] <knome> elfy, #ubuntu-gnome
[10:29] <Luyin> elfy: I've started translating the xubu documentation, but my questions were resolved by looking at the launchpad page :)
[10:30] <elfy> Luyin: okey doke
[10:30] <elfy> knome: what about it?
[10:30] <knome> discussion about the FFe stuff
[10:30] <elfy> oh - I'll check logs later
[10:30] <elfy> ta
[11:09] <elfy> knome: read - thnanks
[11:24] <brainwash> bluesabre: xfce4-settings includes a custom patch which changes the gtk and icon theme, but the dependencies are missing (non xubuntu)
[11:24] <brainwash> bluesabre: did you agree that this should be fixed?
[11:25] <brainwash> bug 1322305
[11:25] <brainwash> would also fix bug 1050012
[11:26] <brainwash> and maybe bug 1157706
[11:33] <Luyin> ok, enough translations for today. I'm off, cul8er
[11:55] <bluesabre> brainwash: yes, if we patch it for a different theme, but don't expect that theme to exist, its an issue
[11:55] <bluesabre> I'll check it out this weekedn
[11:55] <bluesabre> time for work, bbl
[20:19] <Noskcaj> knome, Can you make a comment on the upower transition bug, so the release team see your views?
[20:30] <Unit193> ochosi: I believe that's more for you, XTL ^
[20:32] <Noskcaj> true, just knome's the one who has been talking to darkxst
[20:33] <Unit193> Indeed, XPL has been a little busy as of late.
[20:59] <elfy> shame we can't wait months to do that - like gnome did
[21:00] <Unit193> On the one hand, yeah that's pretty crappy to wait until after FF to land upower and the entire DE, but on the other hand I do get them being stalled by unity, we've had that problem and we're attached less than they are.  Still not sure why the upower part couldn't be pushed sooner though...
[21:03] <Noskcaj> elfy, All our months were taken by debian xfce
[21:04] <Noskcaj> Unit193, Because it broke ubuntu-touch until the start of this month
[21:04] <elfy> our months?
[21:04] <Noskcaj> of delaying it
[21:05] <elfy> what our is this Noskcaj ? Xubuntu?
[21:05] <Noskcaj> Xfce distros, i guess
[21:05] <elfy> so why can't gnome wait until 15.04 then
[21:05] <elfy> what's the hurry
[21:06] <Noskcaj> darkxst (understandably) doesn't want to ship 3.6 and 3.8 components for yet another release
[21:07] <elfy> or rather why should we have to deal with any possible fallout for someone else?
[21:07] <Noskcaj> and the regression chance for stuff other than gnome is pretty low
[21:07] <Unit193> Is 3.12 latest stable, or .13?
[21:07] <Noskcaj> 3.12
[21:07] <Noskcaj> 3.13 is devel
[21:07] <elfy> pretty low is not not going to happen is it
[21:07] <Noskcaj> no, but what changes are
[21:08] <elfy> and at cycle start it's not so much of an issue is it
[21:09] <elfy> are gnome going to fix things for us if they break?
[21:10] <elfy> that's all beside the point though - the point is FF is for a reason
[21:11] <Noskcaj> I would assume darkxst would help with our stuff if asked
[21:11] <Noskcaj> I agree with you on the FF point, but it's still up to the release team
[21:11] <elfy> it stinks
[21:29] <skellat> Grumbles: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upower/+bug/1330037/comments/29
[21:29] <elfy> skellat: that has been the topic of conversation in here for about 2 days ;)
[21:30] <skellat> elfy: Yes, but I put an objection on record as noted at that specific link
[21:30] <skellat> They're *my* grumbles
[21:30] <elfy> thanks - we'll get ochosi to officially do it too I should hope
[21:33] <elfy> skellat: thought it was just a link to the bug :)
[21:34] <skellat> elfy: Nope, I spent some time while walking around the grocery store thinking of how to politely put that
[21:34] <elfy> :)
[21:34] <elfy> makes it easier for me - I was wondering ...
[21:35] <Unit193> No, elfy wasn't wondering how to nicely put it, bluntly maybe. ;)
[21:36] <elfy> no I was wondering how to put it politely - I has other hat too ...
[21:37] <Unit193> :D
[21:37] <skellat> Yes, I owe elfy testing
[21:37] <elfy> lol - everyone owes me that ...
[21:37] <elfy> I meant the cchat :)
[21:38] <Unit193> "...whatever we name..." Awwwh, he still thinks the community names it, how quaint. :)
[21:38] <elfy> ha ha ha
[21:39] <elfy> I was calling unicorn unicorn before sabdfl did \o/
[21:39] <elfy> he saw it somewhere - must have :)
[21:39] <skellat> Just start calling it Victorious Velociraptor
[21:39] <skellat> It'll eat somebody's lunch
[21:40] <elfy> it's Vapid Vampire skellat :p
[21:40] <skellat> :-)
[21:40]  * skellat heads back to the kitchen to deal with dinner
[21:40]  * elfy posts - leaves it to XPL


[01:20] <JoseeAntonioR> hey guys, can I get some upvotes? :) http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/15ss8i/jono_bacon_qa/
[08:59] <popey> morning
[09:03] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:23] <philipballew> hello ubuntuers
[10:30] <popey> lo
[10:34] <philipballew> say popey what you think we do on the G+ page when people ask mint and other ubuntu derivatives questions. Seen a lot lately?
[10:35] <philipballew> Ive been letting them go, as I was busy deleting credit card app and Nigerian prince type posts
[10:36] <popey> I honestly don't know what to do about support on G+
[10:37] <czajkowski> philipballew: perhaps point them at the other derivatives G+ pages
[10:38] <czajkowski> I get lots of non LP questions re Ubuntu and derivitiaves I try where possble to find the pages they are looking for or where they will get help
[10:38] <czajkowski> I get a *lot* of support questions via Fb for Launchpad
[10:38] <philipballew> Not a bad idea
[10:39] <czajkowski> and I just reply not here and point them at the answers page on LP which seems to be helping
[10:40] <philipballew> Sometimes I wonder why people use the group pages like that as ways to get help. Forms and StackExchange are so much better.
[10:40]  * philipballew needs to get more Launchpad stickers
[10:40] <czajkowski> philipballew: I tend to questions peoplss logic on these things
[10:41] <czajkowski> hmm not sure we have any more launchpad stickets
[10:41] <czajkowski> stickers
[10:41] <czajkowski> I'll be in the office this week and have a look and if I find any will post you them
[10:41] <philipballew> oh tight!
[10:41] <philipballew> tight = cool for anyone who is unaware.
[10:41] <czajkowski> philipballew: do you surf?
[10:42] <czajkowski> feckin' hell G+ is a bit cranky today with some posts already before the annoucement is out
[10:42] <philipballew> Ive surfed a few times, however I am way to clumsy to do it good though.
[10:42] <czajkowski> I just hae visions of you as a surfer shouting DUDE! AWESOME TIGHT!
[10:42] <philipballew> I live right next to the ocean http://danperkins.blogs.com/doxa/images/2008/03/14/goodwin_hall_2.jpg
[10:43] <czajkowski> nice
[10:43] <czajkowski> I miss being close to the ocean over here
[10:43] <czajkowski> but othe rhalf has a new car arriving this week so hopefully more trips
[10:43] <philipballew> I need to attempt to become a more sterotypical Californian
[10:43] <philipballew> Oh nice, what kind?
[10:44] <czajkowski> BMW 320d
[10:45] <philipballew> Oh, nice! Driving in style!
[10:45] <czajkowski> and I'll be insured on it :)
[10:45] <czajkowski> so more trips to the sea :D
[10:45] <philipballew> One day I'll need to come to see London.
[10:45] <czajkowski> dear  UPS dude hurry up and collect Sheldon so it comes back sooner!
[10:46] <popey> czajkowski: what posts?
[10:46] <philipballew> Sometimes you cant trust the ups
[10:46] <czajkowski> popey: Jans and jonos
[10:46] <czajkowski> and my twitter stream is a bit cranky as well
[10:46] <czajkowski> people should just chill and wait and see
[10:47] <czajkowski> philipballew: Toshiba arranged them
[10:47] <czajkowski> am using my old laptop, and forgot how slow it was
[10:47]  * philipballew always uses USPS and knows that means nothing to anyone in Europe.
[10:47] <popey> oh Jan.. yes..
[10:48] <czajkowski> philipballew: aye we'd know of it
[10:49] <philipballew> One of the few good things of America.
[10:51] <AlanBell> popey: are there going to be people on IRC anywhere later who have a clue what is going on and can answer questions after the announcement?
[10:53] <popey> AlanBell: jono is doing a QA about it at 6:30 UK time
[10:53] <popey> and #ubuntu-on-air
[10:53] <philipballew> http://joseeantonior.wordpress.com/2013/01/01/jono-bacon-on-air-qa/
[10:54] <philipballew> I think thats the right link
[10:54] <czajkowski> ah on air :(
[10:54] <czajkowski> why not regualr irc for folks that cant join in but can read a log
[10:54] <czajkowski> :(
[10:55] <philipballew> because videos are "cool and hip"
[10:55] <czajkowski> meh
[10:56] <czajkowski> I disaree but I'm in the minoroty there I know that
[10:56] <czajkowski> *minority
[10:56] <Tm_T> czajkowski: I btw agree on that "point to right support direction" as that would be the ubuntu way to do (:
[10:56] <philipballew> yeah, I wonder if there is a way to say pull what he says and transcribe it. Like make subtitles and make a log of that.
[10:57] <philipballew> ^is not thinking that should be done, and does not hope someone reads that and thinks he knows anything about how to do that.
[10:57] <czajkowski> heh
[10:59] <philipballew> czajkowski, cant you just listen to the video when you work or something?
[11:00] <czajkowski> philipballew: I can yes, but others can't due to work /travel/bandwith
[11:00] <czajkowski> it's not very inclusive to many people
[11:00] <Tm_T> philipballew: atleast I cannot listen something while working, listening is for me something that requires full attention
[11:01] <Tm_T> well, I can listen music, but just as background noise /:
[11:01] <popey> czajkowski: why can't people join in?
[11:01] <philipballew> everyone is different I guess. For some it might be easier to listen to it when your working where reading means you have to stop work.
[11:01] <czajkowski> popey: bandwith/travel/not a good time so many read logs if on irc afterwards.
[11:01] <czajkowski> or for some their 1st language isn't english and cant listen as fast
[11:01] <popey> it is archived so people can watch later
[11:02] <czajkowski> so prefer to read so it's translates.
[11:02] <popey> and anyone can transcribe it
[11:02] <czajkowski> liek I said, I'm in the minority club :)
[11:02] <czajkowski> *like
[11:02] <philipballew> Tm_T, I assume the music is released under an open source approved license right?
[11:02] <czajkowski> lordie I cannot type today!
[11:02] <popey> I'm just asking so we can find a solution
[11:03] <popey> transcription is a possibility
[11:03]  * philipballew hopes Tm_T did not take that seriously
[11:03] <popey> happy to have a google doc open at the time and we could do multi-player editing to capture it all
[11:04] <czajkowski> nods
[11:04] <czajkowski> nice idea
[11:04] <philipballew> could that be done automatically though?
[11:05] <Tm_T> philipballew: I currently have game soundtrack playing, no idea about the license as it doesn't have one accompanied with the contents AFAICS
[11:05]  * philipballew has Rap playing
[11:05]  * czajkowski always has music on
[11:05] <philipballew> ^probably made is OSX
[11:07] <popey> philipballew: not without paying someone to do it I dont think
[11:07] <Tm_T> aah, "all rights reserved" says http://benprunty.bandcamp.com/
[11:08] <philipballew> popey, ah, everything I want to do has not been invented yet. Automatic subtitles is now one of them.
[11:08] <philipballew> Tm_T, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesop_Rock
[11:12] <AlanBell> JoseeAntonioR: broken link on your blog post
[11:12] <AlanBell> goes to http://joseeantonior.wordpress.com/2013/01/01/jono-bacon-on-air-qa/www.ubuntuonair.com
[11:13] <AlanBell> you need the http:// on the front of it
[13:16] <JoseeAntonioR> AlanBell: thanks, will change in a sec
[13:50] <AskUbuntu> Why is Unity named Unity | http://askubuntu.com/q/235224
[13:58] <jcastro> popey: you know, if we ever get time, we should get chris mason on an onair
[13:59] <jcastro> popey: or perhaps you guys could have him call in on uupc
[13:59] <popey> good idea!
[14:05] <cjohnston> mornin
[14:05] <jcastro> omg
[14:06] <jcastro> in like 4 hours we get to do something
[14:06] <mhall119> \o/
[14:06] <cjohnston> We all get to take a nap?
[14:07] <mhall119> god I hope so
[14:07] <cjohnston> Sounds good to me
[14:08] <czajkowski> popey: you may want to book mark this https://www.gov.uk/bank-holidays
[14:10] <popey> czajkowski: i have a google calendar for that ☺
[14:11] <czajkowski> ah ok I ws putting mine into admin for the coming months
[14:15] <jcastro> popey: I learned something over the break
[14:15] <jcastro> removing someone's post just removes it from the community page
[14:15] <jcastro> so the person's post and comments and stuff are intact
[14:16] <jcastro> so you don't need to feel bad about destroying something, because everything is preserved, it's just not on the community page
[14:18] <jcastro> http://www.damnocrazy.com/21/canonical-announces-upad-tablet-running-ubuntu
[14:18] <popey> yeah, i noticed that too
[14:19] <popey> when I removed the post from the guy asking debian people to come and troll us
[14:19] <popey> people carried on commenting on it
[14:38] <jcastro> technoviking: around?
[15:41] <bkerensa> mhall119: If you have time we would love to have you join the OMG On Air Event this morning
[15:41] <jcastro> heya balloons
[15:41] <jcastro> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smoke/raring/
[15:41] <jcastro> what does the orange dot mean in the errors column?
[15:41] <balloons> mhmmm
[15:41] <mhall119> bkerensa: You'd love it even more if I had things ready for this announcement ;)
[15:42] <popey> hah
[15:42] <bkerensa> mhall119: :) We got joey for that
[15:42] <bkerensa> mhall119: he has a mobile broadband kit :)
[15:42] <mhall119> bkerensa: I meant being ready on our end
[15:42] <bkerensa> mhall119: oh
[15:42] <bkerensa> :)
[15:43] <bkerensa> mhall119: I'm sure popey is ready :)
[15:43] <popey> ofc
[15:43] <popey> ready for what?
[15:43] <popey> ☺
[15:43] <bkerensa> lawl
[15:43] <bkerensa> what is this nonsense http://www.damnocrazy.com/21/canonical-announces-upad-tablet-running-ubuntu
[15:43] <bkerensa> ?
[15:43] <bkerensa> people believe that?
[15:43] <mhall119> does popey even have anything to do for it today?
[15:44] <bkerensa> mhall119: I'm sure he has more to do with it than community team but thats speculation at best :P
[15:44] <jcastro> I love that it's $999 and like 2 people already complained about the price
[15:44] <bkerensa> :)
[15:44] <bkerensa> $999 from a Chinese OEM hah
[15:44] <balloons> lol, that link
[15:44] <balloons> jcastro, umm, not sure actually
[15:44] <popey> that site is made by the guy who runs muktware
[15:45] <balloons> it means a specific error..
[15:45] <Pici> That link had half the people in -offtopic convinced *rolleyes*
[15:45] <bkerensa> now that I think about it.... does China have any OEM's or is it just American and Japanese OEM's that use China for labor?
[15:45] <balloons> I believe it means something completely failed
[15:45] <popey> mostly chinese and taiwanese
[15:45] <balloons> make sense?
[15:46] <jcastro> popey: the difference is it's hard to tell which site is real and which isn't. :p
[15:46] <popey> i did point that out to him
[15:46] <popey> https://plus.google.com/108348326565536851746/posts/KeGNrQEo1QG
[15:46] <jcastro> balloons: I think so, I'd just never seen a purple canonical logo before
[15:48]  * balloons notes it looks orange
[15:49] <bkerensa> jcastro: remember this one http://www.netbooknews.com/wp-content/2010/10/Canonical-Cloud-1.jpg
[15:49] <jcastro> hah yeah
[15:49] <czajkowski> I have that sign here
[15:49] <czajkowski> got it when the office was moving
[15:49] <czajkowski> it used t hang on one of the doors :)
[15:49] <jcastro> cool!
[15:50] <bkerensa> :D
[15:55] <jcastro> omg
[15:55] <jcastro> http://socloseyoucanalmostbobbleit.com/
[15:56] <jono> jcastro, omg
[15:56] <jono> lol
[15:56] <bkerensa> jono: http://socloseyoucanalmostbobbleit.com/
[15:56] <jono> lol
[15:56] <Pici> o.O
[15:56] <bkerensa> jono: will this be retailing at the dollar tree or perhaps a high end retailer? :)
[15:56] <jono> haha
[15:56] <Pici> from the footer: "This page is a joke, do not take seriously or in combination with any other medication."
[15:57] <bkerensa> Pici: clearly :) it was a meme someone made on G+ last night
[15:57] <jcastro> man
[15:57] <jcastro> I am falling over in my chair
[15:57] <jcastro> my wife thought I was having a heart attack
[15:58] <jono> lol, some people have too much time on their hands :-)
[15:58] <jcastro> man
[15:58] <jcastro> I am wiping the tears from my face
[15:58] <jcastro> why is this so funny
[15:58] <jono> haha
[15:58] <cjohnston> lol
[15:58] <jcastro> it shouldn't be ... but the rhythm of the bobble ...
[15:58] <jcastro> it's like ... mesmerizing
[16:00] <jono> jcastro, mhall119, balloons, gonna be just us for our call today - I am gonna be a few mins late kicking it off as we have a new babysitting arriving any second now
[16:00] <balloons> nice
[16:00] <jcastro> cool cool
[16:00] <jcastro> what he really means is
[16:01] <jcastro> "I can't really use my keyboard until my head stops bobbling around"
[16:01] <balloons> hehe.. it's been over 24 hours
[16:02] <bkerensa> jono: what do you mean :) thats advocacy right there man
[16:02] <bkerensa> ;p
[16:02] <jono> bkerensa, was that you?
[16:02] <bkerensa> jono: serious? lol I was trying to sleep it was that comic guy
[16:03] <bkerensa> jono: remember the guy who did that bobble head comic strip?
[16:03] <jono> bkerensa, ahh, it was Bryan?
[16:03] <jono> awesome
[16:04] <jono> bkerensa, can I join the release announcement hangout in a bit?
[16:04] <bkerensa> jono: Of course
[16:04] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: ^
[16:05] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: ack'd
[16:08] <jono> :-)
[16:09] <jcastro> am I the only one who saw their todo list today and was like "I don't even know what half of this stuff means"
[16:10] <Pici> Nope.  I've been on vacation since Christmas and I now I have to do all these works things I forgot about.
[16:11] <pleia2> I am unemployed \o/
[16:11] <pleia2> (only for a week though :))
[16:11] <jcastro> where you going?
[16:11] <pleia2> HP, get to work on the openstack ci team <3
[16:12] <Pici> nice!
[16:12] <Pici> Congrats :)
[16:12] <pleia2> thanks :)
[16:14] <snap-l> pleia2: That's awesome. I'm sure you'll make great things there.
[16:14] <pleia2> snap-l: thanks!
[16:16] <jcastro> pleia2: what?! that's freaking awesome!
[16:16] <pleia2> jcastro: yes! I'm very excited
[16:17] <mhall119> pleia2: \o/ congrats!
[16:17] <pleia2> was looking for something sysadmin+open source, found it :)
[16:17] <mhall119> now jcastro won't ever leave you alone about juju stuff
[16:17] <pleia2> lol
[16:17] <vibhav> http://socloseyoucanalmostbobbleit.com/
[16:17] <jcastro> that's like 2+ more conferences a year if you go to ODS!
[16:18] <pleia2> yeah, at least
[16:18] <vibhav> This is the most amazing website, EVAR
[16:20] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: post is live on omg
[16:20] <jono> pleia2, congrats!
[16:20] <jcastro> pleia2: clint and robert collins are over there too
[16:20] <jcastro> HP has been picking up a bunch of ubuntu expertise lately
[16:20] <pleia2> jcastro: yeah, I interviewed with lifeless, cody-somerville just jined too
[16:20] <bkerensa> jcastro: clint byrum?
[16:20] <pleia2> joined too
[16:20] <bkerensa> O.o
[16:21] <jcastro> bkerensa: yeah
[16:21] <czajkowski> lifeless is amazing to work with
[16:21] <bkerensa> wat
[16:21] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: looks good, thanks!
[16:21] <bkerensa> jcastro: you guys let clint go?
[16:21] <jcastro> bkerensa: like a month ago, it was on his blog
[16:21] <bkerensa> =/
[16:21] <bkerensa> no
[16:21] <popey> chris jones is there too iirc
[16:21] <bkerensa> jcastro: will he still hack on juju?
[16:21] <jcastro> I didn't let clint go, he has his own hopes and dreams and is in charge of his own destiny.
[16:21] <jcastro> bkerensa: more openstacky stuff core probably, he's still around though
[16:22] <pleia2> both Landscape Canonical guys I met at LISA '12 last month were at HP before, so I think there is a fair amount of trading happening :)
[16:22] <mhall119> bkerensa: also, you know how good those hackers are at lock-picking, we can't keep them captive forever
[16:22] <jcastro> clint had a choice between jorge and openstack. I lost. :(
[16:22] <mhall119> :(
[16:23] <jcastro> ODS is an awesome conference though, I think I'll actually end up seeing him more
[16:23] <bkerensa> mhall119: but you have root
[16:23] <bkerensa> :D
[16:23] <mhall119> bkerensa: not me
[16:24] <mhall119> no way would ubuntu devs trust me with root
[16:24] <vibhav> It's sabdfl
[16:24] <jcastro> bkerensa: hey did they find out the problem on omg over the break? the db was borked or something?
[16:24] <bkerensa> jcastro: pm
[16:24] <pleia2> I hear the next ODS is landing on Ubuntu release week, I'll be going to at least part of it (have to be in philly by thursday though, for the whole getting married thing)
[16:24] <dpm> Hey all
[16:27] <JoseeAntonioR> hey, dpm
[16:27] <jcastro> pleia2: dang, you're full of good news today!
[16:28] <pleia2> haha, been engaged for over a year, time to pull the trigger :)
[16:28] <jono> hey dpm
[16:31] <technoviking> jcastro: hi
[16:32] <jcastro> technoviking: heya
[16:32] <jcastro> technoviking: hey so what's the tldr on the forum upgrade? the last few messages make no sense to me
[16:33] <technoviking> I honestly do not, ask the FC if they heard from IS when we want to work on it, no response from them.
[16:34] <jcastro> ok
[16:34] <technoviking> last I heard, IS wanted to do a upgrade test, then make the forums read only for a couple days to do the upgrade
[16:34] <jcastro> I'll poke
[16:35] <technoviking> I assume someone his the LP plugin for vB4? I think it is working about never seen the bzr to the plugin.
[16:36] <pleia2> the plugin was provided back in October
[16:36] <jcastro> lp:vbulletin-launchpad-integration
[16:36] <jcastro> is where it lives
[16:36] <technoviking> when can I order my BBH (Bacon Booble-Head) before the rush :)
[16:37] <jono> technoviking, lol
[16:37] <jono> now there is an acronym
[16:37] <jono> BBH sounds like some kind of forum markup language
[16:37] <jono> lol
[16:37] <jcastro> sounds like a good name for your own bbq sauce.
[16:37] <jcastro> make it happen
[16:38] <popey> NO!
[16:38] <popey> Although..  For this summer. \o/
[16:39] <technoviking> Severed Fifth Death Sauce
[16:40] <technoviking> my grill is buried under 2 feet of snow, no grilling for the foreseeable future :(
[16:42] <jcastro> I don't even have a grill yet, and if it was, it'd be buried in snow
[16:43] <vibhav> jono : ping
[16:46] <jono> hey vibhav
[16:46] <jono> jcastro, I am gonna start making my own sauce in the next few weeks
[16:47] <jono> got a DVD at Christmas that got me started :-)
[16:47] <vibhav> jono : any plans for an IRC channel during the product launch?
[16:47] <jono> vibhav, no current plans, but good idea
[16:47] <jono> how about #ubuntu-launch
[16:47] <vibhav> Sounds good
[16:47] <pleia2> isn't this the sort of thing #ubuntu-discuss was created for?
[16:47] <popey> why not #ubuntu-discuss...
[16:47] <popey> ^5
[16:48] <pleia2> ^5
[16:48] <jcastro> jono: yeah, I have been looking for sources for ingredients, that seems to be like 90% of the work
[16:48] <vibhav> Ah, I forgot that
[16:48] <jono> #ubuntu-discuss sounds good
[16:48] <jono> jcastro, you making a sauce?
[16:49] <bkerensa> jono: people are excited you will be popping in
[16:49] <bkerensa> :D
[16:49] <jono> bkerensa, :-)
[16:49] <vibhav> Heh
[16:49] <bkerensa> jono: I think they want to hear about this bobble head :D
[16:49] <jono> lol
[16:49] <jcastro> jono: no, dry rub/seasoning.
[16:50] <vibhav> jono : spread the Hangout/IRC channel on the Ubuntu social media channels. That should do it
[16:51] <vibhav> Channel word*
[16:51] <jono> jcastro, man, rubs are hard to make
[16:51] <jono> jcastro, for Christmas Erica bought me every Myron Mixon rub he does so I can play with them
[16:51] <jono> he is the guy from BBQ Pitmasters :-)
[16:51] <daker> if you haven't see what i captured :D https://plus.google.com/u/0/101694416703170881163/posts/H49guzJSf9A
[16:51] <daker> seen*
[16:51] <jono> and I am heading to his BBQ school in Feb, can't wait
[16:52] <jono> daker, lol
[16:52] <vibhav> daker : lol
[16:52] <jcastro> jono: mine is my grandmas recipe, it's more something like lowry's salt mix, something you want to sprinkle on your meat when you don't have time to mix something
[16:52] <daker> jono: it was on ubuntu.com for a few seconds :D
[16:52] <jcastro> basically, a good ootb seasoning, nothing like special or anything
[16:52] <jono> jcastro, oh nice, I love family recipes, make all the difference
[16:52] <jcastro> yeah.
[16:52] <jono> not all that much BBQ in the Bacon family though, lol
[16:53] <jono> daker, what was?
[16:53] <JoseeAntonioR> the bobble thingy
[16:53] <vibhav> I am sure that landuke is behind the bobble website
[16:53] <daker> what have you seen on the capture
[16:53] <jono> it wasnt, surely?
[16:53] <popey> vibhav: thats not who owns the domain
[16:53] <daker> jono: it was on ubuntu.com
[16:53] <jono> daker, that is a mock site :-)
[16:54] <vibhav> popey : who owns the domain?
[16:54] <mhall119> I bet popey does
[16:54] <popey> vibhav: whois is your friend lazy man
[16:54] <vibhav> I'm here on a mobile
[16:54] <vibhav> :(
[16:54] <popey> whois.net
[16:54] <JoseeAntonioR> boom, it's private
[16:55] <jono> Alexander Wainwright
[16:55] <daker> ah :D
[16:55] <jono> ahh yeah
[17:03] <mhall119> bkerensa: how's the hangout going?
[17:04] <mhall119> or has it not started yet?
[17:04] <philipballew> I think it starts in like 45 minutes apparently.
[17:05] <bkerensa> mhall119: it has not yet started... setting up a firefox roll up for a backdrop in my office
[17:05] <bkerensa> :D
[17:05] <mhall119> bkerensa: as long as it doesn't cover your Ubuntu pictograms
[17:07] <JoseeAntonioR> bkerensa: do you have ubuntu pictograms too?
[17:07] <mhall119> someone did, I thought it was him
[17:07] <JoseeAntonioR> it was me
[17:07] <mhall119> I know he painted his office bright orange
[17:07] <mhall119> JoseeAntonioR: ah, ok
[17:07] <JoseeAntonioR> his office is a mix between firefox orange and ubuntu orange
[17:07] <mhall119> just like him
[17:08] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: not yet... my office is not finished yet I need to do another coat of paint for it to have the shine I want and its winter so I cant now
[17:08] <bkerensa> :D
[17:09] <bkerensa> JoseeAntonioR: shall we?
[17:09] <JoseeAntonioR> huh?
[17:22] <SergioMeneses> morning!
[17:42] <mhall119> czajkowski: are we encouraging the use of #ubuntu-discuss to talk about the announcement?
[17:43] <popey> that would make sense
[17:46] <Pici> please
[17:46] <jcastro> popey: I am really happy to see this
[17:47] <jcastro> (not making another channel/list)
[17:47] <jcastro> good job
[17:48] <czajkowski> mhall119: eh why are you asked me :)
[17:48] <czajkowski> *asking
[17:49] <mhall119> czajkowski: I thought you mentioned something about it
[17:49] <czajkowski> Nooo
[17:56] <jono> bkerensa, where do I join the hangout?
[17:58] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, ^
[17:58] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: I'll give you the link
[17:58] <jono> thanks
[17:59] <pleia2> mhall119: that was me, not czajkowski ;) and I gave a heads up to the irc team that we'd be pointing people there
[18:00] <mhall119> pleia2: ok, I've been all over the map today, so pardon the confusion
[18:03] <cjohnston> imbrandon: omg is down
[18:03] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: ping, omg is down
[18:03] <jcastro> I don't run omg!
[18:03] <jcastro> and it works fine for me
[18:04] <jcastro> oh, now it's down
[18:04] <marcoceppi> JoseeAntonioR: you'll want to ping imbrandon
[18:04] <JoseeAntonioR> imbrandon: ^
[18:04] <marcoceppi> The Ubuntu homepage won't load for me
[18:05] <cjohnston> JoseeAntonioR: its now on ubuntu..com
[18:07] <snap-l> And ubuntu.com isn't loading
[18:07] <jcastro> omg seems up
[18:07] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: click on the first post
[18:08] <jcastro> it works for me now
[18:08] <jcastro> .. but back down
[18:08] <marcoceppi> My assumption, two web-heads. One is down
[18:12] <jo-erlend> alright; time's up. What's the big secret? :)
[18:13] <snap-l> jo-erlend: There's no U in Ubuntu
[18:14] <snap-l> ;)
[18:14] <jo-erlend> it's a Phone. :)
[18:14] <snap-l> We've been working on bnt all this time.
[18:15] <jo-erlend> I can tell from the image on /devices that it must be Ubuntu Phone.
[18:16] <jo-erlend> :)
[18:16] <jcastro> alas, my dream of ubuntu on toasters is dead.
[18:16] <jcastro> marcoceppi: hey, so, just in time for your webos phone to die
[18:18] <marcoceppi> jcastro: yeah, pretty good timing
[18:18] <marcoceppi> I just need to know where to throw my money
[18:19] <jcastro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpWHJDLsqTU
[18:58] <inetpro> jono: the link in your article to go to developer phone page is incorrect at http://www.jonobacon.org/2013/01/02/announcing-ubuntu-for-phones/
[18:59] <inetpro> I'm guessing it should go to http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ ?
[19:01] <inetpro> oh and I'm talking about the link in the paragraph starting with "If you have Qt/QML programming experience...."
[19:04] <SergioMeneses> inetpro, is working that link?.. I can see it
[19:05] <inetpro> SergioMeneses: it's fixed now
[19:05] <inetpro> thanks jono
[19:05] <jono> thanks!
[19:05] <inetpro> clearly the Ubuntu sites are very popular today
[19:06]  * inetpro would love to see some web stats
[19:08] <SergioMeneses> inetpro, perfect
[19:09] <SergioMeneses> hey hey jono \o always is nice to see you
[19:09] <jono> hey SergioMeneses :-)
[19:40] <Pici> mhall119: is #ubuntu-phone now the place we should be pointing people?  It would be nice to know since we are getting lots of questions about it in #ubuntu
[19:40] <mhall119> Pici: I think that would be best, it matches #ubuntu-tv
[21:24] <jcastro> mhall119: jono: where should incoming phone questions be tagged on AU, I'm assuming "mobile"?
[21:25] <jono> jcastro, yeah, mobile
[21:25] <mhall119> jcastro: yes
[21:26] <mhall119> guess I should monitor AU too
[21:26] <jcastro> if you can submit some fixes here pointing to the official resources that would be <3: http://askubuntu.com/tags/mobile/info
[21:29] <jcastro> it's not obvious the tag is for generic mobile stuff
[21:32] <mhall119> jcastro: added some links
[22:11] <daker> it seems that the toolkit is only for 12.10, no 12.04 :(


[08:58] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:36] <penguin42> Hey BK
[12:41] <BluesKaj> hey penguin42
[12:51] <penguin42> BluesKaj: How are you finding KDE5 ?
[12:54] <BluesKaj> penguin42, not real enthusuaistic about it so far ...missing some of my fav features and one has been droppe, not a step forward... the 'look" is ok tho.
[12:54] <BluesKaj> err enthusiastic :)
[12:55] <BluesKaj> penguin42, have you given it a try ?
[12:55] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Yeh, I'm about the same, it's still annoying me in a lot of small ways
[12:56] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Things like the title bars being rather big, and some things not working reliably - like ctrl-alt-t binding for opening a konsole not always working for me
[13:00] <BluesKaj> I miss the different backgrounds for the VDs , it's been dropped in favour of the activities optional backagrounds...a pet peeve of mine , krunner no longer has a drop down for previous entries ..etc
[13:01] <BluesKaj> the muon toolbar is missing
[13:03] <BluesKaj> I use muon as a reference, seldom as a package manager
[13:04] <BluesKaj> and that muon discover thing is hopeless IMO
[13:04] <BluesKaj> that's my list, so far :)
[13:05] <BluesKaj> not entirely related to plasma 5 tho
[13:06] <penguin42> what's muon discover?
[13:06] <lordievader> penguin42: The Kubuntu software centre.
[13:07] <penguin42> ah
[13:07]  * penguin42 has never really used software centre stuff - but I do generally like having the click to do updates
[13:08]  * penguin42 did notice the change in that now it's got systemd   poweroff  works for a normal user rather than needing sudo :-)
[13:10] <gnox> Hey guys, just installed Beta 2 and now I am curious about the boot time
[13:10] <gnox> systemd-analyze blame gives me a service called NetworkManager-wait-online.service
[13:11] <elfy> yep - I think it says that for many people
[13:11] <gnox> with a start time of 8.071s
[13:11] <gnox> on a ssd
[13:11] <penguin42> sounds like it's waiting for your net to come up?
[13:11] <elfy> gnox: similar - 12 on an ssd
[13:11] <gnox> my debian system boots up in just about 2.5 sec
[13:12] <penguin42> gnox: Does systemctl show NetworkManager-wait-online ?
[13:12] <gnox> ubuntu has 12 sec
[13:12] <penguin42> gnox: What does  journalctl -u NetworkManager-wait-online show you, and what type of networking do you have?
[13:14] <BluesKaj> i didn't notice any diff with boot times on kubuntu 15.04 and systemd, but this pc is pretty old, 2008 vintage, altho it has 6G RAM
[13:14] <gnox> penguin42: the output of systemctl: http://pastebin.com/90G5HVXq
[13:15] <BluesKaj> amd cpus from that time aren't the fastest either
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> where can you enable/disable systemd services on 15.04?
[13:15] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, at the login
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: cool
[13:16] <BluesKaj> tty/vt lotuspsychje
[13:16] <gnox> penguin42: journalctl -u NetworkManager-wait-online: http://pastebin.com/y39jwagB
[13:16] <lordievader> gnox: Do you have things depending on a network connection?
[13:16] <gnox> penguin42: my internet :P
[13:17] <lordievader> Apart from that, things like network mount's etc.
[13:17] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, assuming systemctl is part of the systemd package, ...I may be wrong on that
[13:17] <gnox> lordievader: no, just a plain install on my testmachine
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> ok
[13:18] <lordievader> Then I think you can even disable it, but don't quote me on it.
[13:19] <gnox> lordievader: ok, and how to do so?
[13:19] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje,, quote from google: "systemctl may be used to introspect and control the state of the " systemd " system and service manager"
[13:20] <lordievader> gnox: sudo systemctl disable NetworkManager-wait-online (if it does screw up things do the same but with 'enable' instead)
[13:22] <gnox> lordievader: thanks man, i'll reboot now (logging chat off and on)...
[13:24] <gnox> lordievader: much better now
[13:24] <lordievader> No broken networks?
[13:24] <gnox> Startup finished in 2.638s (kernel) + 1.295s (userspace) = 3.933s and network seems to work, since i can chat here
[13:25] <lordievader> Cool, cool.
[13:25] <gnox> almost 4 secs is still not that fast with my laptop and debian jessie with 2.5 secs boot-time
[13:25] <gnox> plymouth seems to have an error, too
[13:25] <penguin42> gnox: OK, so for me the NetworkManager-wait-online takes under a second
[13:25] <penguin42> gnox: I'm on wired ethernet - and you?
[13:26] <gnox> penguin42: yeah - wired ethernet, too
[13:27] <penguin42> gnox: Hmm ok, then I guess it's a bug - because given that this is a 5year+ old Core2 laptop, the problem isn't CPU usage
[13:28] <gnox> penguin42: it's an acer aspire 7740G core I5 with 4gigs...
[13:29] <gnox> and my beta 2 runs on a desktop: amd phenom II x4 965 with 4gigs either
[13:30]  * BluesKaj noticed that about acer..cheap with the RAM
[13:30] <penguin42> gnox: Nod, you could try using journalctl to see what else was going on in the 8 seconds while it was sitting there - I'm wondering if it was waiting for something else and there is maybe a missing dependency of something that should happen first
[13:31] <gnox> BluesKaj: np to me, my jessie with xfce runs absolutely smooth ;)
[13:33] <BluesKaj> gnox, an i5 cpu deserves more memory, mine is an i3 and it came with 8G RAM ..lenovo G500 latop
[13:34]  * penguin42 reckons on 1 or 2 GB/core
[13:35] <gnox> BluesKaj: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[13:36] <gnox> as I said: no probs until now (at least for me) :)
[13:37] <penguin42> gnox: Anyway, I call bug rather than cpu/memory time
[13:38] <gnox> penguin42, dito
[13:38] <gnox> penguin42,  but how to see what is going on in those 8 secs?
[13:40] <penguin42> gnox: Well, you know the start/end times, so get the whole of the journal for that 8 seconds and see what else is going on
[13:40] <elfy> I see similar, but if I disable NetworkManager-wait-online then libvirt-bin.service has a fit :)
[13:40] <elfy> with an i5 and 8Gb ram
[13:41] <gnox> penguin42, thanks... i'll enable the service again and check. i'll be back later ;)
[13:41] <BluesKaj> gnox, not disputing that ubuntu runs great on your machine , I'm just commenting on how computer manufacturers cut HW in order reach a v=certain price point
[13:42] <penguin42> gnox: The other possibility is that nm-wait-online is doing something that doesn't play well with your network card/router
[13:42] <penguin42> elfy: Oh, that sounds odd - what type of fit?
[13:42] <elfy> penguin42: time's out
[13:44] <penguin42> trying to do what?
[13:44] <BluesKaj> odd I haven't encountered that nm-wait-online
[13:45] <elfy> penguin42: to connect from memory, I rebooted now
[13:45] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Me neither, I'm an upgrade
[13:46] <MoonUnit`> NetworkManager-wait-online takes 8 seconds for me, connected with ethernet.
[13:46] <penguin42> elfy: Upgrade or fresh install ?
[13:46] <elfy> install
[13:46] <BluesKaj> penguin42, I installed beta2 clean
[13:46] <lordievader> penguin42: Libvirt can do it's networking setup through nm.
[13:46] <elfy> this is install sometime in the last 3 or 4 months
[13:47] <BluesKaj> to / , still had /home untouched
[13:47] <lordievader> And thus if NM isn't up fully it cannot do it's networking.
[13:48] <penguin42> lordievader: Yeh although I'm more surprised if it's the bit just waiting for your external internet to be up - libvirt should run fine on a host that's unplugged
[13:48] <elfy> lordievader: yep, but if I remove bridge-utils, then I still get the wait of ~8 secs
[13:48]  * penguin42 would be tempted to tcpdump what's going on the network
[13:48] <lordievader> It can also run fine without NM ;)
[13:49] <penguin42> I wonder if it's something like an IPv6 dhcp that goes unanswered or soemthing similar
[13:49] <BluesKaj> lordievader, I had a total blank on network W7 on qemu-kvm with libvirt , the only thing windows worked on it was the ehernet to the internet, no LAN whatsover
[13:50] <lordievader> BluesKaj: I know, you told me.
[13:50] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Letting libvirt nat it for you should do the trick though, unless you don't want natting, then you need to look into bridge devices.
[13:50] <BluesKaj> lordievader, wondering if you knew what was wrong
[13:51] <penguin42> there are a good 3 or 4 different ways of setting up networking for libvirt, each of which has there good and bad bits
[13:51] <BluesKaj> I had the NAT enabled on the router , if that's what you mean
[13:51] <lordievader> No.
[13:52] <lordievader> Libvirt can do it's own natting, wich might be usefull if you run libvirt on a laptop and don't want to drop a bunch of vm's on every network you visit.
[13:53] <penguin42> you can also do bridge networking (generally good, takes a bit of setup) or macvtap (which works very well except if you want to connect the vm to the host)
[13:53] <BluesKaj> I was running it on this machine/with ethernet
[13:54] <penguin42> BluesKaj: What do you want to do with the VM networking - just let it connect out? Do you want other machines on your network to be able to connect to it?
[13:56] <BluesKaj> penguin42, exactly yes , and the VM guest/Windows 7 to connect to the pcs on the LAN
[13:56] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Do you want the other machines on your network to be able to connect to the VM guest ?
[13:58] <BluesKaj> yes that would be good too
[13:58] <BluesKaj> I could dual boot windows I suppose, but qemu-kvm ran very well otherwise
[13:59] <penguin42> ok, if you want other hosts to be able to connect in then you can't use NAT on qemu/libvirt
[13:59] <penguin42> BluesKaj: So you need to setup one of the bridge setups
[13:59] <lordievader> BluesKaj: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkConnectionBridge
[14:00] <lordievader> And then plug the virtual network adapter of the vm into that.
[14:00]  * penguin42 thought there was a way to get libvirt to do all that for you
[14:01] <BluesKaj> actually it sounds easier to just dual boot ...but I do appreciate the suggestions penguin42 , lordievader
[14:02] <penguin42> BluesKaj: For just connecting out from the VM it's dead easy using NAT
[14:02] <BluesKaj> I see
[14:03] <simon_g> hi
[14:03] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Do what you want. I'm glad I got rid of dual booting. Such a waste of time.
[14:04] <BluesKaj> lordievader, well, I have lots of time :)
[14:04] <BluesKaj> I hope
[14:12] <simon_g> where does the ubuntu store xorg.conf? i cannot find it under /etc/X11 i need it to check it because my touchpad works out-of-the-box on ubuntu but other distributions seem to have a problem with it, so i wanna check it out
[14:14] <MoonUnit`> it's all autoconfig these days don't have an xorg.conf
[14:14] <TheNumb> simon_g: by default xorg.conf is not generated.
[14:15] <TheNumb> It's been years since autoconfig started working.
[14:15] <simon_g> oops... it was a while since i've used linux ;)
[14:15] <TheNumb> ;-)
[14:16] <simon_g> anyway- where can i find the configuration of touchpad :)? i'm thinking about the auto-turn off while typing as well as two-finger scrolling
[14:16] <simon_g> :P
[14:16] <MoonUnit`> if you need to you can add parts of a config to/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[14:17] <MoonUnit`> added a 10-monitor.conf to set up my dual screen there
[14:17] <TheNumb> MoonUnit`: err wasn't it /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ? <:
[14:17] <MoonUnit`> used to be
[14:18] <simon_g> tehre is no /etc/x11/xorg.conf.d directory
[14:18] <simon_g> *there
[14:19] <BluesKaj> try it without the  .d
[14:19] <simon_g> nope, there is none
[14:20] <BluesKaj>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[14:21] <simon_g> nope. there is no files like that
[14:21] <BluesKaj> to create one,  sudo Xorg -configure
[14:21] <lordievader> simon_g: Create it ;)
[14:21] <lordievader> The xorg.conf.d
[14:21] <lordievader> You don't want to create an xorg.conf
[14:21] <simon_g> yeah... and configure everything from the start. thanks, i'm old enough to remember it ;)
[14:22] <lordievader> simon_g: No, create a xorg.conf.d dir and configure just what you need.
[14:25] <simon_g> i'm not particularly interested with creating the new one- now everything works fine, or good enough for me. I'd just want to see the current, default, out-of-the-box configuration (which- as I've mentioned before- works fine) so I could copy it and modify the configuration on other distribution. I, somehow though, that the xorg.conf was automatically created during boot-up process
[14:26] <penguin42> simon_g: Oh there isn't any xorg.conf now - none
[14:26] <penguin42> simon_g: Not autocreated, never
[14:26] <penguin42> simon_g: The X server just detects stuff at run time - except for special added sections
[14:26] <lordievader> simon_g: Hence the .d dir ;)
[14:26] <penguin42> simon_g: It's done that for ages (at least 5 years??)
[14:29] <simon_g> :| thanks!
[14:30] <BluesKaj> we used to create an nvidia xorg.conf when reinstalling the driver after an X problem at one time , but I haven't seen that for a couple of yrs either
[14:31] <lordievader> nVidia/FGLRX still like to create one, yes.
[14:32] <BluesKaj> I don't have one afaik
[14:33] <penguin42> simon_g: Stuff is so dynamic these days - you walk up to somewhere with your laptop and plug it into a projector and a mouse, then unplug it etc - a lot of the configuration doesn't make sense for static configs except when you hit a problem
[14:33] <lordievader> penguin42: Hehe, you should have seen FOSDEM. Many ppl messing with xrandr ;)
[14:34] <TheNumb> :D
[14:34] <MoonUnit`> hopefully one day we can have fun with wayland conf files.
[14:34] <lordievader> Supposedly kwin works on there.
[14:34] <penguin42> lordievader: Still?  KDE generally behaves for me these days even with projectors - although I still occasionally come across a fun one
[14:35]  * penguin42 should try wayland
[14:36] <TheNumb> penguin42: not with kde
[14:36] <TheNumb> (yet)
[14:36] <TheNumb> ;p
[14:37] <penguin42> :-(
[14:38] <BluesKaj> haven't heard any reports of users trying wayland at all
[14:40] <MoonUnit`> tried it with fedora 21 but was buggy.
[14:42] <simon_g> ok, thanks for help, have a nice weekend!
[15:35] <igalic> BluesKaj: how does one use wayland?
[15:39] <TheNumb> igalic: your DE/window manager has to support it first.
[15:39] <TheNumb> ;-)
[15:41] <SonikkuAmerica> ubi-partman hates the UEFI world apparently...
[15:46] <igalic> TheNumb: well, that would be kde
[15:46] <TheNumb> no
[15:46] <TheNumb> not yet
[15:46] <TheNumb> ;-)
[16:08] <BluesKaj> igalic, I see your question was answered, haven't tried it myself, and I'm also on KDE
[16:11] <TheNumb> igalic: be sure to follow https://plus.google.com/+MartinGr%C3%A4%C3%9Flin/posts
[16:11] <TheNumb> :)
[16:12] <TheNumb> Martin is the head developer of KWin.
[16:42] <solsTiCe> hi. I just tried ubuntu 15.04 live cd (usb) and it was fine. Except when I told it to reboot; it stayed forever on "Please remove media an dype ENTER". I had to use the power button to switch it off.
[16:43] <solsTiCe> I welcome the switch to systemd but isn't that a little late in the ubuntu release cycle ? after feature freeze ??
[16:44]  * penguin42 isn't sure on the timing - but it's hardly a surprise - it's been announced it was happening for a long time and you've been able to choose one or the other for a while, so I think the only change that's just happened is making the default switch
[16:45] <solsTiCe> ok
[16:46] <TheNumb> solsTiCe: it's not like the packages haven't been tested before the switch.
[16:47] <lordievader> Probably the feature freeze came in handy with the switch to systemd. Things don't change when frozen.
[16:50] <elfy> that's a known b2 image bug ^^
[16:51] <solsTiCe> elfy: the reboot thingy problem ?
[16:53] <TheNumb> solsTiCe: it used to happen to me in older releases too.
[16:53] <TheNumb> So it's not 15.04 specific.
[16:54] <solsTiCe> I tried previous daily 15.04 iso and I don't remember having such a problem. never mind.
[16:54] <elfy> solsTiCe: yep
[16:55] <elfy> it's better than just before - when it just rebooted into live image :)
[16:56] <TheNumb> solsTiCe: it happens every once in a while
[16:58] <solsTiCe> I thought it was systemd related
[17:01] <TheNumb> nope
[17:05] <agronholm> how do I switch from nouveau to nvidia drivers on 15.04? thanks.
[17:08] <elfy> install nvidia from additional drivers
[17:08] <lordievader> agronholm: Install the nvidia package.
[17:08] <agronholm> it's not visible there
[17:09] <agronholm> I already installed nvidia-346
[17:09] <lordievader> agronholm: What card do you have?
[17:09] <agronholm> geforce gt 940M
[17:09] <lordievader> Should still be supported, I think.
[17:09] <agronholm> by the binary drivers, yes
[17:09] <lordievader> agronholm: What is the output of 'lspci -k|grep -A2 VGA'?
[17:10] <agronholm> https://bpaste.net/show/02dd732f9d8d
[17:10] <agronholm> does this mean I'm not even using nouveau?
[17:10] <TheNumb> well
[17:11] <TheNumb> agronholm: isn't your dedicated gpu turned off?
[17:11] <agronholm> how would I know?
[17:11] <lordievader> Is it an hybrid thing?
[17:11] <TheNumb> in bios or something
[17:11] <agronholm> I guess I should reboot and check
[17:16] <maxb> Time to dare to upgrade ... :-)
[17:18] <agronholm> there was no such setting in the BIOS
[17:18] <lordievader> agronholm: Is it a laptop?
[17:18] <agronholm> yes
[17:18] <agronholm> thinpad t550
[17:18] <agronholm> *Thinkpad
[17:20] <lordievader> agronholm: Hmm, could you pastebin the output of lshw?
[17:21] <agronholm> https://bpaste.net/show/4f3cd8e1daa7
[17:23] <lordievader> There are multiple models, one with only an intel gpu, one with a hybrid intel/nvidia. This seems to be intel only.
[17:23] <lordievader> http://pdfs.icecat.biz/pdf/44835721-8504.pdf
[17:23] <agronholm> lordievader: I specifically got myself the nvidia version
[17:23] <agronholm> as you can see from the output, it has an nvidia controller
[17:24] <agronholm> line 356 onward
[17:24] <TheNumb> yup
[17:25] <agronholm> is this chip too new to be somehow recognized?
[17:25] <agronholm> it was only announced like two weeks ago...
[17:26] <agronholm> this is my first laptop with both intel and nvidia controllers so I'm at a loss
[17:26] <agronholm> I have no clue how to switch
[17:27] <penguin42> oh those are always fun
[17:27] <penguin42> agronholm: Are you sure - The Lenovo's normally have a switch in the BIOS for that
[17:28] <TheNumb> penguin42: unless it's "muxless"
[17:28] <TheNumb> no switch in that case
[17:28] <agronholm> penguin42: if it doesn't, I was delivered the wrong thing
[17:28] <TheNumb> agronholm: does it work in windows?
[17:28] <agronholm> and then what is the nvidia 3d controller device on line 356 onwards?
[17:28] <penguin42> agronholm: I had a w520 a couple of years back that had it, they offered a choice between Integrated, discrete and Optimus
[17:28] <TheNumb> I see that you have an ntfs partition.
[17:28] <agronholm> TheNumb: yeh?
[17:28] <penguin42> TheNumb: What's the muxless about?
[17:29] <TheNumb> penguin42: the display is connected to the integrated gpu
[17:29] <TheNumb> only
[17:29] <TheNumb> I've got a laptop with that setup.
[17:29] <penguin42> TheNumb: Ah, not come across those, the one I had had no mux, but it had some outputs connected to the Intel, some to the Nvidia
[17:29] <TheNumb> And it's a pain in the butt since xorg doesn't support that at all.
[17:30] <TheNumb> Only hacky drivers from amd do.
[17:30] <penguin42> TheNumb: There's a thing called bumblebee for Intel/Nvidia mix
[17:30] <TheNumb> I know.
[17:31] <TheNumb> It's also supposed to work with muxless intel/amd ;p
[17:31] <lordievader> agronholm: Ah, I read over that one.
[17:31] <penguin42> TheNumb: Still, the w520 I had with that mix still had the bios settings
[17:31] <agronholm> well, this one didn't
[17:31] <agronholm> I'm pretty sure of it
[17:31] <TheNumb> only older laptops had that switch
[17:32] <TheNumb> new ones usually come "muxless"
[17:32] <TheNumb> unless the vendor decides otherwise
[17:32] <agronholm> what does that mean?
[17:32] <TheNumb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/HybridGraphics
[17:33] <lordievader> Lshw does show that the nvidia doesn't have a driver loaded.
[17:34] <TheNumb> agronholm: check your xorg log.
[17:34] <agronholm> the nouvea module is loaded though
[17:34] <agronholm> *nouveau
[17:34] <lordievader> agronholm: Lshw doesn't reflect that.
[17:34] <agronholm> but since this is kernel 3.19, it doesn't recognize it
[17:34] <agronholm> support for the 940M only comes in kernel 4.0
[17:36] <agronholm> I tried installing 4.0rc5 but then the nvidia driver couldn't build its dkms module
[17:37] <penguin42> agronholm: how were you installing the nvidia driver?
[17:37] <agronholm> penguin42: apt-get install nvdiai-346-updates
[17:37] <penguin42> ok
[17:38] <lordievader> agronholm: From where did you install the 4.0 kernel? Ubuntu kernel ppa?
[17:38] <agronholm> yes
[17:49] <CptRageToaster> travnewmatic: where are the Vivid kernel, initrd, etc on your box?
[17:49] <travnewmatic> http://pastebin.com/NaU3NwPW
[17:50] <CptRageToaster> it looked like they were on the same HDD, but different partition?
[17:50] <travnewmatic> thats right
[17:50] <CptRageToaster> ok
[17:50] <travnewmatic> i'm trying something that i havent done before
[17:50] <travnewmatic> different /'s for utopic and vivid
[17:50] <travnewmatic> but they're both using the same /boot, /home, and swap
[17:50] <CptRageToaster> have you made sure that you have permission to see everything there?
[17:50] <travnewmatic> well i've got vivid mounted
[17:51] <travnewmatic> and can click around in the folders
[17:51] <CptRageToaster> wait... but the contents of your /boot folder...
[17:51] <CptRageToaster> that's what grub would be reading....
[17:51] <travnewmatic> sure, i do have that partition mounted as well
[17:51] <travnewmatic> and i checked the time on the grub.cfg file
[17:52] <travnewmatic> that file in /boot/grub/ is the one thats getting updated iwth grub-update
[17:52] <CptRageToaster> so, make sure you don't have a DIFFERENT grub.cfg in the OTHER /boot folder
[17:52] <CptRageToaster> right?
[17:52] <CptRageToaster> there are two?
[17:52] <travnewmatic> only one boot
[17:52] <CptRageToaster> o ok
[17:52] <CptRageToaster> I think I see what you're going for
[17:53] <travnewmatic>  /boot and /home are shared
[17:53] <CptRageToaster> I'm going to go eat some food, I'll think about this some more
[17:53] <travnewmatic> :D
[17:53] <travnewmatic> k
[17:53] <CptRageToaster> why does the script say it's living in /dev/sda8 then?
[17:53] <CptRageToaster> shouldn't the kernel and initrd still be living in the /boot folder of dev/sda1?
[17:53] <CptRageToaster> I'm not certain
[17:53] <CptRageToaster> afk, brb 40 min or so
[17:54] <travnewmatic> thats where the /boot partition is
[17:55] <travnewmatic> er
[17:55] <travnewmatic> sorry
[17:55] <travnewmatic>  /dev/sda8 is the root (/) for vivid
[17:56] <travnewmatic> lordievader, http://pastebin.com/siS47nF4
[17:56] <travnewmatic> my grub.cfg
[17:57] <travnewmatic> lordievader, your idea the other day got me tinkering
[17:57] <lordievader> travnewmatic: How did you install Vivid?
[17:57] <lordievader> What idea?
[17:58] <travnewmatic> having multiple linux's mount the same /home
[17:58] <travnewmatic> i installed vivid with a flash drive
[17:59] <lordievader> travnewmatic: Grub doesn't find a kernel nor initramfs.
[17:59] <lordievader> Where have you put those?
[17:59] <travnewmatic> hmmmmmmm
[18:00] <travnewmatic> those should be in boot
[18:01] <travnewmatic> http://pastebin.com/zhLrziW9
[18:01] <lordievader> travnewmatic: In the same /boot or did you make a new one?
[18:01] <travnewmatic> supposed to be the same boot
[18:01] <lordievader> Jup, no Vivid kernel.
[18:01] <lordievader> travnewmatic: Could you pastebin your partition layout?
[18:01] <travnewmatic> seeing that now :|
[18:02] <travnewmatic> un momento
[18:02] <travnewmatic> http://pastebin.com/EtMRETJu
[18:03] <ubuntuuberuser> guys, i have a problem
[18:03] <ubuntuuberuser> problem with dependencies
[18:03] <ubuntuuberuser> trying to remove Plank from 15.04 new beta Mate ed
[18:03] <lordievader> travnewmatic: That is df, not your partition layout
[18:04] <travnewmatic> i was avoiding screencaps :D
[18:04] <travnewmatic> but i can
[18:04] <ubuntuuberuser> plank depends on ubuntu-mate-desktop
[18:04] <ubuntuuberuser> it is not right i think
[18:05] <lordievader> travnewmatic: parted /dev/sdX print
[18:05] <travnewmatic> http://pastebin.com/iSbEaZfH
[18:05] <travnewmatic> ah k
[18:06] <travnewmatic> http://pastebin.com/HvjNvv5p
[18:07] <lordievader> travnewmatic: I get the feeling the Vivid kernel didn't go to /boot.
[18:07] <lordievader> Anyhow, got to go.
[18:07] <travnewmatic> lordievader, i'm getting that feeling too
[18:08] <travnewmatic> alright
[18:08] <travnewmatic> will reinstall, making sure my boxes are checked and my t's are crossed
[18:08] <travnewmatic> thanks for all the help guys, i'll let you know how it goes!
[18:12] <travnewmatic> so during the install
[19:19] <CptRageToaster> Oh good
[19:19] <CptRageToaster> I was thinking that too
[20:18] <stef1a> i'm running 15.04 on a third gen Lenovo ThinkPad Carbon X1, and audio has stopped playing from chrome, chromium, and firefox. help?
[20:19] <TheNumb> stef1a: does it play at all?
[20:19] <stef1a> yup
[20:19] <TheNumb> have you tried restarting the browsers?
[20:20] <stef1a> yes, and the machine
[21:07] <agronholm> ok I think I understand a little better how things should work with a hybrid graphics system now
[21:07] <agronholm> my machine is quite new so it should not have a hardware muxer. now I just need to figure out how to make the nvidia chip actually work.
[21:07] <lordievader> Whoo, did you fix it?
[21:07] <lordievader> Oh..
[21:08] <lordievader> Cheered to soon, didn't I.
[21:08] <agronholm> heh
[21:08] <agronholm> I just need to know how to switch from nouveau to the binary driver
[21:09] <agronholm> xrandr --listproviders only gives me one provider
[21:09] <lordievader> I got the feeling you first need to switch to the nVidia card from the Intel one.
[21:09] <agronholm> no
[21:09] <agronholm> in newer systems, the intel driver is *always* active
[21:10] <agronholm> but applications can be made to render using the nvidia driver
[21:10] <agronholm> that's how PRIME works apparently
[21:10] <lordievader> Hmm, clearly I have no idea what I am talking about XD
[21:10] <agronholm> what you said was true for older systems that have a hardware muxer
[21:11] <agronholm> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/hybrid_graphics
[21:18] <lordievader> Nasty stuff.