[11:44] <milosh55> Hi , I installed software that I need for work and it complains that it needs libffi6 file
[11:44] <milosh55> in same time on ubuntu there is no such issues , I think lubuntu distro cut some needed stuff
[20:55] <hierbabuena> hello guys, new to the channel. I've made the quantum leap from lubuntu 16.04 to 20.04, but I'm facing small issues. The first one is related to the serial mouse (don't ask). Have tried every magic trick I could think of to make it work, including the creation of a systemd service script to call inputattach, to no avail. I have to invoke sudo inputattach --daemon --always -mmw /dev/ttyS0 manualy every time I log in.
[20:58] <hierbabuena> dmesg says the system automatically detects the mouse; Xorg.0.log does too but ignores it
[20:58] <hierbabuena> In fact the mouse works for a brief moment with sddm than freezes right after that.
[21:00] <hierbabuena> appreciate anyone who could give me a clue
[21:02] <wxl> hierbabuena: you might want to grab e.g. xubuntu and boot it live and see if you have the same problems. if you do, it's probably a core issue and you can hnut around for answers with a wider audience than just lubuntu. if it doesn't reoccur there, perhaps it's a problem with sddm but that seems unlikely.
[21:13] <hierbabuena> tnx wxl, will try that
[23:50] <whiplazh> in a live session, will lubuntu activate TRIM if I mount an internal SSD drive (that supports TRIM)?
[23:51] <whiplazh> automatically, that is
[23:53] <wxl> don't think so, no. especially given the warnings at the top here https://wiki.debian.org/SSDOptimization (btw i reference this because debian is *buntu's immediate upstream so generally what's true there is true here although that's not always the case)
[23:55] <whiplazh> ok, thanks! :)
[23:56] <wxl> yep. lots of instructions there on how to do it, though, so that might be helpful. (as well as the other ssd optimizations)


[00:22] <mwhudson> mwhudson@glamdring:go-test-cases$ go get -v qastaging.launchpad.net/pydoctor
[00:22] <mwhudson> Fetching https://qastaging.launchpad.net/pydoctor?go-get=1
[00:22] <mwhudson> Parsing meta tags from https://qastaging.launchpad.net/pydoctor?go-get=1 (status code 200)
[00:22] <mwhudson> import "qastaging.launchpad.net/pydoctor": parse https://qastaging.launchpad.net/pydoctor?go-get=1: no go-import meta tags
[00:22] <mwhudson> package qastaging.launchpad.net/pydoctor: unrecognized import path "qastaging.launchpad.net/pydoctor"
[00:22] <mwhudson> what?
[00:24] <wgrant> That seems unlikely.
[00:25] <wgrant> mwhudson: Oh, it's not updated yet.
[00:26] <wgrant> blr: Did you actually land the branch?
[00:28] <mwhudson> oh
[00:28] <mwhudson> doh
[00:34] <blr> wgrant: hmm I did
[00:34] <blr> but no response from pqm...
[00:34] <wgrant> Try again, I guess.
[00:35] <blr> resubmitting
[00:37] <blr> wgrant: nothing in the pqm queue afaict, yet I'm not getting an error on lp-land
[00:42] <blr> mwhudson: sorry, it appears I've killed pqm.
[00:42] <mwhudson> blr: congrats
[00:42] <wgrant> blr: Missing QA tags
[00:42] <wgrant> Jul 03 00:36:01 pqm [140255997114112] INFO: subject: [r=cjwatson,
[00:42] <wgrant>  wgrant] Fix first part of golang import path for the bzr case,
[00:42] <wgrant>  rendering root/product.name rather than root/branch.unique_name.
[00:43] <blr> oh, doesn't it usually complain about that?
[00:43] <wgrant> I'm surprised lp-land didn't complain, yeah.
[00:46] <blr> wgrant: is the issue that the linked bug is already tagged 'qa-needstesting'?
[00:48] <wgrant> blr: Or Fix Committed, probably, indeed.
[00:51] <blr> hmm, if a second branch is linked against a fix-committed bug, should we change the status?
[00:51] <blr> potentially that makes things more confusing, I don't know.
[00:52] <blr> mwhudson: at any rate, that's with buildbot now, sorry for the delay.
[00:52] <mwhudson> heh no worries
[00:52] <mwhudson> the delay meant i had no choice but to submit an expense claim, so thanks :)
[02:19] <blr> wgrant: hmm spurious buildbot failure?
[02:20] <wgrant> blr: Yep, haven't seen that one in a few days.
[02:20] <blr> wgrant: how do I restart the build?
[02:22] <wgrant> blr: http://lpbuildbot.canonical.com/force
[02:23] <blr> heh "carry on"
[02:24] <blr> ah, there's a link on the index...
[02:24] <wgrant> Yeah
[02:25] <wgrant> The index that nobody ever goes to, because it's just an index.
[02:25] <blr> I will say one thing for the UI, it actually renders ok on my phone.
[02:28]  * mwhudson tries to remember if the "carry on" message was him, it sounds kinda familiar
[02:31] <wgrant> 18.3.13: Michael Hudson 2009-09-03 less lame success html
[02:32] <blr> hahah
[02:34] <mwhudson> >:)
[02:38] <blr> hmm, failure in code.model.tests.test_branchjob.TestBranchScanJob.test_branch_deleted - that seems... improbable.
[02:43] <blr> passes locally
[02:43] <blr> wgrant: is that one you're familiar with?
[03:44] <maozhou> Package debian-install failed to build on my launchpad, a lot of package has no installation candidate.  http://chuantu.biz/t2/10/1435894813x-954497676.png
[03:46] <maozhou> The Base URL is set to "http://archive.ubuntu.com/" , is it incorrect?
[04:05] <blr> mwhudson: buildbot decided to behave finally, should be on qastaging soon.
[04:05] <blr> let me know how you get on.
[04:25] <mwhudson> will do
[04:26] <wgrant> maozhou: Those are udebs.
[04:26] <wgrant> debian-installer is a complicated package. You will need to debug it.
[04:29] <maozhou> wgrant: But this package is succeed  to build on launchpad.net , I download the same package
[04:30] <wgrant> maozhou: Yes, but your archive is not identical to the one that Launchpad has.
[04:31] <wgrant> maozhou: debian-installer pulls in udebs from the archive during its build, so it's by no means as simple as other packages.
[04:32] <maozhou> wgrant: Can I access the archive which Launchpad.net used?
[04:32] <wgrant> maozhou: That's archive.ubuntu.com
[04:33] <wgrant> Your debian-installer build is apparently not using it.
[04:33] <wgrant> I do not know how debian-installer constructs its sources.list, but it's not a Launchpad problem.
[04:33] <wgrant> For builds in Ubuntu itself, the entire archive is known to Launchpad.
[04:34] <wgrant> I assume you don't have all of it imported into your Launchpad instance, so you are using the OEM hack to add extra sources.list lines.
[04:37] <maozhou> wgrant: But in build.log which on Launchpad.net ,the archive is set to "http://ftpmaster.internal" , this it a internal archive which other people can't access?
[04:38] <wgrant> maozhou: archive.ubuntu.com is a mirror of that.
[04:44] <maozhou> wgrant: If set Base URL to "http://archive.ubuntu.com/" , the same error,  I don't understand why "launchpad.net" builded it succedd
[04:45] <wgrant> maozhou: Neither do I. You'll need to look at the package to see what it's doing to find why it might be failing.
[04:46] <maozhou> wgrant: ok , thank you.
[04:47] <wgrant> mwhudson, blr: Can you look at that rev on qastaging?
[04:48] <blr> wgrant: yep
[04:51] <blr> wgrant: lgtm, mwhudson might want to test with go-get however.
[04:52] <wgrant> Looks fine to me.
[04:57] <maozhou> wgrant: I guess the source.list is not intact , need I uncompress the chroot file ,  modify it ,  and  rerun "./manage-chroot ..... " ?
[05:01] <blr> wgrant: deployment unblocked now
[05:11] <wgrant> maozhou: launchpad-buildd overwrites sources.list, so the one in the chroot tarball does not matter.
[05:14] <maozhou> wgrant:  If modify "/usr/share/launchpad-buildd/slavebin/override-sources-list" on builder ,  the builder won't overwrites source.list.
[05:22] <wgrant> maozhou: It is the case that if you disable the sources.list overwriting, the sources.list will not be overwritten, yes.
[05:22] <wgrant> But I'm not sure why you'd want to do that.
[05:25] <maozhou> wgrant: The archive in source.list is set to "deb archive.ubuntu.com utopic  main" as default, is it not intact ?
[05:26] <wgrant> maozhou: That's not a valid sources.list line. I would expect "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu utopic main"
[05:27] <wgrant> maozhou: But you've never explained what your actual purpose is.
[05:27] <wgrant> For weeks you've been layering hacks upon hacks.
[05:27] <wgrant> If you can explain what you're actually trying to do with your Launchpad instance, we may be able to advise the lowest-friction way to go about that.
[05:32] <maozhou> wgrant: I want set up a local launchpad server to build packages.
[05:33] <wgrant> That's not an end goal.
[05:33] <wgrant> You want to build packages for a purpose.
[05:33] <wgrant> Are you creating a derived distribution? Do you just want to have a PPA that is hosted on your premises?
[05:38] <maozhou> wgrant: Yes, I want to build packages and creating a derived distribution.
[05:39] <wgrant> maozhou: And you understand the limitations that doing that as an overlay entails?
[05:40] <maozhou> wgrant: Yes
[05:42] <wgrant> maozhou: OK
[05:43] <wgrant> maozhou: So it sounds like you've set the archive base URL on /ubuntu/+pubconf to "archive.ubuntu.com"
[05:43] <wgrant> maozhou: That's not going to work very well if you're uploading packages to ubuntu, as they won't be able to see each other as build-deps.
[05:44] <wgrant> What you may want to do is set /ubuntu/+pubconf's base URL to http://archive.ubuntu.com/, then upload to an overlay derivative distribution that isn't ubuntu.
[05:44] <wgrant> That distribution will reference itself in its sources.list, followed by archive.ubuntu.com.
[06:04] <maozhou> wgrant: why they won't be able to see each other as build-deps?
[06:05] <wgrant> maozhou: Because if the archive base URL is set to http://archive.ubuntu.com/ rather than, for example, http://archive.launchpad.dev/, your archive will not be in sources.list. Only Ubuntu will be.
[06:11] <wgrant> maozhou: You can see the entries that will be in the final sources.list near the top of the build log.
[06:20] <maozhou> wgrant: I konw this, I don't understand why the package debian-installer failed to build , the same archive , the same package.
[06:22] <wgrant> maozhou: Examine the sources.list that debian-installer generates.
[06:22] <wgrant> maozhou: IIRC it logs it to the build log
[06:22] <wgrant> sources.list.udeb or something
[06:24] <maozhou> wgrant: Oh, you are right , may be that's the answer.
[06:27] <maozhou> but, if the source.list  is generated by debian-installer , the same package debian-installer, the  souce.list.udeb should be same.
[06:28] <wgrant> It is not generated in a vacuum.
[06:28] <wgrant> The sources.list in the environment is used as input.
[06:33] <maozhou> Ok, I konw.
[07:18] <vila> blr: re "another bzr release", I offered my help for that to the GNU maintainer but haven't received a reply.
[07:19] <vila> bzr, wgrant, cjwatson : and thanks for the less verbose MP comment emails ;-)
[07:52] <mwhudson> blr, wgrant: more hilarity!
[07:52] <mwhudson> mwhudson@glamdring:shared-lib-stuff$ go get -v qastaging.launchpad.net/pydoctor
[07:52] <mwhudson> Fetching https://qastaging.launchpad.net/pydoctor?go-get=1
[07:52] <mwhudson> Parsing meta tags from https://qastaging.launchpad.net/pydoctor?go-get=1 (status code 200)
[07:52] <mwhudson> get "qastaging.launchpad.net/pydoctor": found meta tag main.metaImport{Prefix:"qastaging.launchpad.net/pydoctor", VCS:"bzr", RepoRoot:"http://bazaar.qastaging.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/pydoctor/github"} at https://qastaging.launchpad.net/pydoctor?go-get=1
[07:52] <mwhudson> package qastaging.launchpad.net/pydoctor: cannot download, http://bazaar.qastaging.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/pydoctor/github uses insecure protocol
[07:52] <mwhudson> mwhudson@glamdring:shared-lib-stuff$
[07:52] <mwhudson> blr, wgrant: this check is new in 1.5
[07:52] <mwhudson> is there any anonymous way of getting the code over a secure protocol currently?
[07:54] <mwhudson> well bzr branch https://launchpad.net/product i guess but that is a bit hysterical raisins
[08:14] <wgrant> mwhudson: No, no anonymous secure Bazaar access today.
[08:14] <wgrant> mwhudson: I guess using the webapp branch reference might confuse it enough...
[08:34] <vila> wgrant, blr , cjwatson : MP comment emails... <3
[08:48] <blr> mwhudson: oh fun :(
[08:49] <blr> well, fair enough I suppose.
[08:50] <blr> wgrant: any suggestions?
[08:50] <wgrant> blr: You might be able to test it locally if you can disable its certificate validation.
[08:50] <wgrant> I assume it just passes the URL down to bzr once it checks it.
[08:51] <wgrant> So we can work around the security check by using https://launchpad.net/$unique_name as the path. BranchRefNavigation allows a bzr client to use that.
[08:52] <wgrant> (bzr looks up https://launchpad.net/~launchpad-pqm/launchpad/devel/.bzr/branch/location and follows that URL. which go get won't see, so can't complain about)
[08:54] <blr> mwhudson: is your fork on github?
[08:55] <blr> https://github.com/mwhudson/go>
[08:55] <blr> presumably?
[08:58] <blr> wgrant: shall we add supermirror_root_https to config.codehosting?
[08:59] <blr> oh I nvm, I see
[09:00] <blr> so, {vhost.mainsite.hostname}/{branch.uniquename}
[09:03] <wgrant> blr: It needs a protocol too.
[09:03] <wgrant> eg. allvhosts.configs['mainsite'].rooturl
[09:06] <blr> wgrant: thanks
[09:06] <mwhudson> blr: go get only special cases launchpad.net exactly
[09:07] <mwhudson> not qastaging.launchpad.net
[09:07] <mwhudson> blr: so just build go tip
[09:07] <wgrant> Or apt install golang-go
[09:08] <wgrant> Oh, that's too old.
[09:08] <mwhudson> yeah
[09:09] <mwhudson> this secure insistence is pretty new
[09:09] <mwhudson> <1 month i think


[00:00] <bdmurray> no it wouldn't hurt
[00:01] <bdmurray> and /var/log/apt/term.log might help in figuring out which update it may have been
[00:02] <TheLordOfTime> oops too late already hit submit on the part where i request that they apport-collect the bug.
[00:03] <TheLordOfTime> aaand, timeouts to LP
[00:03] <TheLordOfTime> figures.
[00:03]  * TheLordOfTime goes to kick his router again
[12:41] <DavidInPerth> Hi all
[13:22] <DavidInPerth> I have a problem
[13:23] <DavidInPerth> I've been looking into an Ubuntu bug for a while
[13:25] <DavidInPerth> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/932663
[13:25] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 932663 in casper (Ubuntu) "kernel upgrade failed on a USB live system created by usb-creator" [High,Fix released]
[13:27] <DavidInPerth> The bug was marked "fix released" because it wasn't reproduced in 12.10, but it's still present in 12.04 (as in, i've installed all updates and it hasn't fixed the problem)
[13:32] <DavidInPerth> I talked to stgraber on Tuesday, and ey gave me some info & suggestions
[13:36] <DavidInPerth> (My ideal outcome here is that the bug is fixed for 12.04.2, and/or can be fixed by a usual security update)
[13:43] <DavidInPerth> The current situation is:
[13:43] <DavidInPerth> - I don't know if the bug is present in the current snapshot of 13.04.
[13:43] <DavidInPerth> - stgraber marked it as "fix released" because ey could not reproduce it in 12.10.
[13:43] <DavidInPerth> - There is only one kernel version available for 13.04, so I can't upgrade/downgrade to test for the bug.
[13:44] <DavidInPerth> - If the bug is fixed in 13.04, I don't know how to go about finding the code change that fixed it.
[13:45] <DavidInPerth> - ...and without that, the fix can't be applied to 12.04
[13:53] <DavidInPerth> I'm new to launchpad & ubuntu bugs, so if anyone can help me out that would be greatly appreciated
[13:56] <hggdh> DavidInPerth: yeah...
[13:56] <hggdh> DavidInPerth: there is one workaround described there, have you tried it?
[13:57] <DavidInPerth> No. To be honest I'm more interested in getting it fixed properly for everyone
[13:59] <DavidInPerth> I think it's a pretty big thing that LiveUSBs of the LTS release cannot get kernel updates
[14:00] <DavidInPerth> (I didn't try the workaround, because then I would've had to do another liveusb to do more testing)
[14:00] <hggdh> DavidInPerth: I am not being fresh, but can you give me a reason why updating the kernel is easier than regenning the media with the new ISO?
[14:01] <hggdh> I just want to be sure I can sanely state it *is* important
[14:01] <DavidInPerth> I didn't think the ISO was updated with new kernel releases
[14:02] <hggdh> no, not with a kernel update. But with the point releases
[14:02] <hggdh> hah
[14:02] <hggdh> OK, I can see it now
[14:02] <DavidInPerth> yeah, I'm talking about in between point releases
[14:03] <hggdh> DavidInPerth: I just nominated it for Precise
[14:04] <DavidInPerth> hggdh: Although for the record, I think that using Update Manager to update the kernel is a lot easier than re-generating the liveUSB
[14:04] <DavidInPerth> cool, I was going to ask if/how that is possible
[14:05] <hggdh> DavidInPerth: I usually just dd in the new image
[14:05] <hggdh> (no usb-creator)
[14:05] <DavidInPerth> you mean the kernel, or the ISO?
[14:05] <DavidInPerth> oh, okay...
[14:05] <hggdh> the ISO
[14:05] <DavidInPerth> do you have to rename the isolinux files or something...?
[14:06] <hggdh> You can also update the kernel in an ISO (mount the ISO in a tmpfs, chroot to it, update), but it is more convoluted
[14:07] <DavidInPerth> that sounds like the kind of thing I'd love to be able to do one day, but not sure if I ever will
[14:07] <hggdh> no, for dd you just 'sudo dd if=<iso> of=/dev/<whatever> bs=8M' (after umounting the media)
[14:07] <hggdh> and you are done
[14:09] <DavidInPerth> yeah, I recently learned how to use dd to back up an entire hard drive (8GB eeePC SSD - managable size)
[14:09] <DavidInPerth> oops, not hard drive
[14:09] <DavidInPerth> #technicalities
[14:11] <hggdh> heh
[14:12] <DavidInPerth> I was reading something online - i think it was on stack exchange - that said that before unetbootin and the like, liveusbs required dd-ing the ISO onto the USB stick, and then re-naming isolinux files/folders to something else...
[14:12] <hggdh> DavidInPerth: nomination for series and targetting milestones are restricted options
[14:12] <DavidInPerth> I forget some of the details
[14:13] <DavidInPerth> ah, okay, cool
[14:13] <DavidInPerth> I was planning to look up what "nominate for series" meant
[14:13] <hggdh> maybe. Never needed it, but perhaps my use case is more limited
[14:14] <DavidInPerth> Oh... but if you dd the image that means that it's an ISO filesystem, right?
[14:14] <DavidInPerth> so isolinux would work
[14:14] <hggdh> nominate for series allows you to state this bug should be resolved for a specific Ubuntu version. Target to milestone allows you to state the bug should be fixed by a set milestone
[14:14] <hggdh> yes
[14:15] <DavidInPerth> but you don't have persistence with the ISO on USB?
[14:18] <DavidInPerth> hggdh: I just had a look at your update to the bug page
[14:20] <hggdh> DavidInPerth: usually I am not worried with persistence, I just want to check the machine to be kosher
[14:21] <DavidInPerth> hggdh: You mean disaster recovery? Compatibility testing?
[14:21] <hggdh> compatibility and sanity of the image
[14:22] <hggdh> (sometimes I still do disaster recovery, but the process is the same)
[14:30] <DavidInPerth> I see. Yeah, if you're doing it for the sake of testing of the distribution, it's a very different goal...
[14:31] <DavidInPerth> ...vs. wanting to use a LiveUSB for other tasks, and possibly for extended periods
[14:32] <DavidInPerth> Which makes both persistence, and kernel updates, quite important
[14:32] <DavidInPerth> for security, if nothing else.
[14:33] <hggdh> indeed
[14:34] <DavidInPerth> if I'm loading up a live USB in March / September, 5 months after a release, I don't want to have to download all security updates *every time* I boot onto it, in order to safely use the internet.
[14:35] <DavidInPerth> (not that the danger is all that great, but still)
[14:35] <DavidInPerth> you can probably tell I'm not a security expert ;-)
[14:39] <hggdh> heh. Not really, this is a valid use case
[14:40] <DavidInPerth> I meant that I don't have a very strong conception of what a typical kernel vulnerability will make me vulnerable to
[14:41] <DavidInPerth> I've got a feeling that it's mostly in terms of people remotely trying to break / control the computer
[14:42] <hggdh> most of the times, it is, given that if you have local access to the machine, the game is already over. You *own* it
[14:42] <DavidInPerth> yeah
[14:43] <DavidInPerth> what about browsing, though. Could a kernel bug be exploited through a web browser? or is that only an issue for browser bugs?
[14:43] <DavidInPerth> (I imagine the answer is no, but I'm not sure)
[14:47] <hggdh> anything could happen..., it will always depend on what the kernel bug is, and what has been affected by it. It is not the browser (for remote attacks) that gets really hit, but the server
[14:48] <hggdh> a browser may trigger a server error; of course, if it is a browser flaw, the attack is incoming to the machine running the browser
[14:51] <DavidInPerth> hggdh: uhuh. But it's possible (if perhaps unlikely) to have a kernel bug that can be exploited by a website, through a user's browsing, even when there is no bug in the broser itself (only in the kernel)?
[14:53] <hggdh> DavidInPerth: it *is* possible. The web server may trigger a kernel failure. Exploitation of such a failure will depend on what is exposed, how it is exposed, and -- most probably -- a malicious string of data from the browser
[14:54] <DavidInPerth> uhuh
[14:57] <DavidInPerth> upshot: It's not safe to browse the internet from a liveUSB without the most recent kernel update (even if all other updates are working)
[14:58] <DavidInPerth> Okay, I have one more question regarding that bug
[15:02] <hggdh> well, it is not safe to browse the internet, period. One has to always be careful
[15:02] <DavidInPerth> Roger Hunwicks says
[15:02] <DavidInPerth> "In fact, I got it trying to apt-get install mdadm - so it seems possible it occurs any time update-initramfs runs rather than just on a kernel update."
[15:02] <DavidInPerth> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/932663/comments/10
[15:02] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 932663 in casper (Ubuntu Precise) "kernel upgrade failed on a USB live system created by usb-creator" [Undecided,New]
[15:03] <DavidInPerth> @hggdh: True, very true
[15:03] <meetingology> DavidInPerth: Error: "hggdh:" is not a valid command.
[15:03] <DavidInPerth> hggdh: True, very true
[15:07] <DavidInPerth> I want to know if there's a way to test the above theory with my 13.04 snapshot, given that it doesn't have an alternative kernel version to upgrade/downgrade to
[15:07] <DavidInPerth> would running update-initramfs help at all?
[15:17] <jibel> DavidInPerth, you can always downgrade to a previous version a package by selecting the version on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+publishinghistory (for the kernel in this case) then in 'builds' select you architecture
[15:18] <jibel> then download the debs and install them with dpkg
[15:18] <DavidInPerth> ah, I see
[15:18] <DavidInPerth> yeah, that makes sense
[15:20] <DavidInPerth> Hmm... I'm trying to run Quantal in a VM with 256M of RAM, and 1 core, on a system that's already getting low on memory...
[15:20] <DavidInPerth> oh well, I only really need to get to apt to test for this anyway
[15:21] <DavidInPerth> :-D
[15:30] <hggdh> I think 256M is a bit on the low side...
[15:37] <micahg> I increase my VMs for Unity to 1GB for testing, you could probably muddle through with 768MB
[20:38] <alo21> hi everybody...
[20:39] <alo21> I am fixing bug LP: #1095521
[20:39] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1095521 in util-linux (Ubuntu) "Manpage for mount list different options in same paragraph (keybits, nofail, iversion)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1095521
[20:40] <alo21> this bug affects Debian too, and I am wondering if I have to report the bug, and attach the debdiff in DBTS.
[20:47] <hggdh> alo21: yes, you should
[20:52] <alo21> hggdh, OK. Thanks
[20:52] <hggdh> alo21: actually, thank YOU for helping :-)
[20:53] <alo21> hggdh, It's my pleasure... and I really would like to do more for this amazing community/OS
[20:56] <bdmurray> The fix for bug 821233 could use SRU'ing to Precise if someone is interested.
[20:56] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 821233 in indicator-weather (Baltix) "indicator-weather crashed with AttributeError in export_location_details(): Location instance has no attribute 'location_code'" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/821233
[22:59] <alo21> can someone set the bug LP: #1095521 as Triaged and assignee it to nobody for me please?
[22:59] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1095521 in util-linux (Ubuntu) "Manpage for mount list different options in same paragraph (keybits, nofail, iversion)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1095521
[23:00] <alo21> Because the bug has been reported in debian, and may be the patch will be upload
[23:02] <alo21> leave the bug, please. I changed my mind
[23:07] <hggdh> ack
[23:09] <bdmurray> gah
[23:09] <TheLordOfTime> ehehehe, i was looking at that bug earlier, don't remember why though...
[23:09]  * TheLordOfTime returns to poking php5's source
[23:12] <bdmurray> I hate it when you are trying to work one bug and run into more trying to fix the first one
[23:13] <TheLordOfTime> bdmurray, happened with a php5  SRU, a dupe of one bug slipped past when i was SRUing it
[23:13] <TheLordOfTime> fortunately i caught it in -server, and saw it was a dupe.
[23:13] <TheLordOfTime> (whenever they have to relate to php5-fpm, i usually hear about it)


[00:17] <dijonyummy> my cursor turned into a dotted vertical line, happens sometimes, how to fix it, besides loging out / in
[00:32] <sithlord48> dijonyummy:  shut off desktop effects perhaps (crtl+alt F12 will suspend them)
[00:32] <sithlord48> dijonyummy: NOT THAT KEY COMBO
[00:33] <sithlord48> dijonyummy:  its ALT+Shift +F12
[00:51] <designbybeck> So what is everyones take on Ubuntu stopping funding for Kubuntu? I'm trying to have a better understanding of the Kubuntu Ecosystem
[00:52] <ironfroggy> designbybeck: what is that abuot? do you have a link?
[00:53] <designbybeck> thought everyone saw that ironfroggy let me find it
[00:53] <designbybeck> we'll start here: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/02/canonical-withdraw-financial-support-from-kubuntu/ ironfroggy
[00:58] <ironfroggy> honestly i dont get it. i dont even know how ubuntu makes any money in the first place, let alone how kubuntu does or doesn't meet those goals.
[01:05] <DaemonFC> I wonder if there's a decent way to kill kio_magnet with fire and have KDE forward magnet links directly to the client
[01:06] <DaemonFC> kio_magnet makes dealing with magnet links frustrating and confusing
[01:08] <designbybeck> lol ironfroggy... Ubuntu doesn't...Canonical does
[01:10] <DaemonFC> I wonder who thought the flow of "User clicks magnet > Notifications lists a never ending "job" > Ktorrent loads and starts downloading everything without asking the user what to do > User notices his downloads are not in Downloads, but rather in ~/.kde/share/apps/kio_magnet", provided it doesn't just stall and never launch Ktorrent
[01:12] <ironfroggy> designbybeck: i mean ubuntu as a product, not an entity.
[01:13] <designbybeck> well they get money of OEM stuff i believe
[02:53] <rtdos> when running 'glxinfo' i get the following error: http://pastebin.kde.org/426770/
[03:22] <rtdos> when running 'glxinfo' i get the following error: http://pastebin.kde.org/426770/
[04:04] <mikea> Is there a PPA or something to get a newer KDE with network manager 0.9 so I can use the OpenConnect VPN client?
[04:07] <bazhang> mikea, care to answer my question?
[04:17] <mikea> bazhang, 4.8 would do the trick, I think
[04:18] <bazhang> mikea, check the link in the topic here
[04:20] <mikea> here goes nothin'
[05:13] <Whiskey`Wonka> has that bug where apt-get, aptitude, and kpackagemanager/muon are out of sync been fixed?
[05:14] <bazhang> Whiskey`Wonka, bug link?
[05:14] <Whiskey`Wonka> bazhang: if i remembered the tracker number i wouldnt be asking
[05:15] <Whiskey`Wonka> it was back in Dec/Jan
[05:15] <Whiskey`Wonka> that /i/ noticed it, and someone here linked it, but i seam to have failed to bookmark it (thought i did)
[05:16] <bazhang> I recall a muon issue a short while back, was this related to hash sum mismatches, by chance?
[05:17] <Whiskey`Wonka> uhm, could be, i will look that up
[05:17] <bazhang> if so, that one still exists
[05:17] <Whiskey`Wonka> what i remember is that i could /only/ use apt-get via cli for packages, anything else and blam, in a depends hell that is not resolvable
[05:17] <bazhang> or if it's two, they both are still an issue
[05:17] <bazhang> yes
[05:18] <Whiskey`Wonka> thats the one?
[05:18] <bazhang> for kde it was Muon
[05:18] <bazhang> and usc for gnome
[05:18] <Whiskey`Wonka> ok, so what do i do to upgrade/update?
[05:18] <Whiskey`Wonka> causedoing it from apt will still borke the system
[05:18] <Whiskey`Wonka> bork*
[05:19] <bazhang> just checking if I have still have it via console
[05:20] <sparr> how should I upgrade my nvidia drivers on an ubuntu machine running KDE?
[05:20] <bazhang> !find jockey
[05:20] <bazhang> !info jockey-kde
[05:20] <sparr> thanks
[05:21] <bazhang> yes, I have the hash sum mismatch i ssue
[05:22] <bazhang> iirc removing the partial files via nautilus/dolphin/whathaveyou fixed it
[05:23] <Whiskey`Wonka> well googles not finding much with 'kubuntu apt-get muon hash bug'
[05:24] <Whiskey`Wonka> well /what/ partial files? im very behind the 8 ball on what the bug is and how to resolve it or work around it /other/ then just sticking to apt-get
[05:24] <Whiskey`Wonka> mind you, i dont mind apt-get and use it for just about everything.
[05:25] <bazhang> well thats the problem, at least here. everything, including apt-get, is stuffed
[05:25] <Whiskey`Wonka> it works fine as long as i /only/ use it, and ive not tried a dist update/upgrade
[05:26] <Whiskey`Wonka> so ill stick with my crappy wifi drivers for now
[05:26] <bazhang> sounds like the muon issue is different then
[05:27] <Whiskey`Wonka> it sounds right on to me. as long as you only apt-get install XXX and do not do /anything/ else, it works ok
[05:27] <Whiskey`Wonka> but if you remove a package or update one, your boned
[05:53] <kelroy> anyone else have problems with muon software center being broken out of the box with 64x?
[06:10] <zlf> hello
[06:40] <zlf> Does anybody update the kde to version 4.8?
[08:42] <mansoor> Hello all
[08:43] <mansoor> Anyone know why my graphics card sucks on linux when it rocks on widnows? and how to fix it? Ihave an NVidia gtx 250 and I have restricted drivers enabled and installed but for a WebGl  application on windows i get 60 FPS on linux I get 20 if I'm lucky :((
[08:45] <stephans_> Q: how do you get gnome apps to use a given gnome theme in KDE? I have selected the theme I want in the control panel but nothing happens.
[08:57] <jmichaelx> stephans_:  your GTK theming should still work on GTK2 apps...it is with the new GTK3 apps that you are having this problem. i do not know what the solution is for those.
[08:58] <hateball> jmichaelx, stephans_: that is added in KDE 4.8
[08:58] <hateball> GTK3 theming that is
[08:59] <jmichaelx> hateball: ty, i was not aware of that
[09:01] <hateball> jmichaelx: may be offtopic, but here if you're interested http://hugo-kde.blogspot.com/2012/01/oxygen-gtk3-10-is-out.html
[09:37] <stephans_> OK thank you
[10:48] <ocs> join #bash
[11:46] <xiexiaodong> HELLO EVERY
[11:47] <xiexiaodong> hello every!!!!!!
[12:32] <maniX> Hello kubuntu, is someone familiar with quassel? I wanted to know of how to configure my system proxy to quasse
[12:34] <bazhang> maniX, tried #quassel ?
[12:35] <lightstar> maniX: You want to direct your traffic through a proxy? You can check the settings in Settings -> Configure Quassel -> Networks, edit the server of your choice and you will find the option
[12:35] <maniX> lemme try
[12:48] <maniX> lightstar: It didnt worked: what i did was quassel>configure quassel >in irc network> there in network details> servers >edit> advanced> ticked use proxy> selected SOCKS5 and entered proxy
[12:49] <maniX> lightstar: but it didnt seemed to work
[12:49] <viKtor__> Can someone tell me how to use spell checking in every app like web browser, quassel and so on?
[12:50] <lightstar> maniX: hmm...can the socks work for other apps i.e. firefox, rekonq?
[12:50] <bazhang> viKtor__, that would be in the settings of each app
[12:51] <viKtor__> bazhang: calligra and telepathy work with aspell and libreoffice with huspell
[12:51] <viKtor__> but no chances with others apps :S
[12:52] <maniX> lightstar: in firefox, i had the option to set the proxy for all http, https, ssl,socks
[12:53] <lightstar> maniX: what version of quassel are you using?
[12:53] <maniX> and it is working
[12:53] <maniX> 0.7.3
[12:54] <lightstar> same version..hang on, lemme test it out on another machine
[12:54] <maniX> sure
[12:54] <stephans_> has anyone here heard of the venus project?
[12:57] <lightstar> maniX: it seems to work on my SOCKS5 proxy
[12:57] <lightstar> maniX: how did you set up the SOCKS if you don't mind me asking
[12:58] <maniX> No problem at all lightstar
[12:59] <lightstar> maniX: i checked it out on version 0.7.1 and it works as well
[12:59] <maniX> wait a sec
[13:03] <maniX> Sorry lightstar its http proxy, not socks5. But when i try connecting via http, i get this error "Connection failure: Proxy denied connection"
[13:04] <lightstar> maniX: eh? is the proxy yours? you might need to check out the config to check if there are any restrictions
[13:05] <lightstar> maniX: wait, if you're using a http proxy, in quassel did you select http instead of socks?
[13:05] <maniX> Actually i am in my university; so i am on university wifi
[13:05] <maniX> yes
[13:05] <maniX> i have it double checked
[13:06] <lightstar> maniX: ahhh...hmm, they might be blocking some things on the proxy. Just a guess
[13:07] <maniX> lightstar: but i am using my browser to chat on irc on same net
[13:08] <lightstar> maniX: maybe the proxy checks for identification sent from the client. If the client sends an identification that the proxy doesn't recognize, it probably will block it.
[13:13] <BluesKaj> "morning
[13:14] <maniX> lightstar: i am a newbie here man. can u suggest me what needs to be done here?
[13:15] <lightstar> maniX: its ok :)
[13:16] <lightstar> maniX: really coming up blank..haha
[13:17] <maniX> lightstar: dude its been just 3 months since i started using linux on regular basis. it is fun but takes like tons of time to get hold
[13:18] <maniX> lightstar: in this time i learnt things i never even imagined existed
[13:18] <lightstar> maniX: you might need to visit #quassel to see if they can help. But I seriously think there is some kinda filter on the proxy limiting the user agents.
[13:18] <lightstar> maniX: Welcome to the wonderful world of Linux. Don't worry. I feel your pain. I went through it 10 years ago..hehe
[13:19] <maniX> it is possible.. But what confuses me is, if chromium can run webchat.freenode.net; then why cant quassel work
[13:20] <maniX> lightstar: hmm... But i can guarantee your pain was much more then mine... There is much more support these days
[13:21] <lightstar> maniX: well its like this. Your browser sends something called a user-agent to identify itself
[13:21] <lightstar> maniX: some proxies are configured to only allow certain types of browsers to pass through (like in most organizations)
[13:21] <maniX> ok..
[13:22] <lightstar> maniX: you got that right, in those days there were lots of RTFM moments and compilation (well at least on Slackware)
[13:22] <maniX> lightstar: and that goes straight off my head
[13:22] <maniX> :(
[13:23] <lightstar> maniX:  lol, in time you'll figure it out :)
[13:23] <maniX> whats RTFM?
[13:23] <lightstar> maniX: Read The F*****G Manual
[13:23] <bazhang> something quite rude
[13:23] <maniX> lols
[13:23] <maniX> :D
[13:23] <bazhang> the equivalent of google it
[13:23] <lightstar> totally, it was after Ubuntu came along that the community got nicer
[13:24] <lightstar> and in those days, documentations weren't actually top of the line like it is now
[13:24] <maniX> lightstar: i really like ubuntu, it is much simpler as compared to other linux distros
[13:25] <lightstar> maniX: I have to agree. Well, cept for Unity which I hate with a passion :P
[13:26] <maniX> lightstar: Ahh.. you got that right.. i replace my unity environment with gnome shell to get rid of it..:D (just loved the fedora feel with ubuntu on)
[13:27] <lightstar> maniX: I used to be an XFCE user. Switched to KDE only a few months ago but I LOVE the apps and integration
[13:28] <maniX> lightstar: now this sounds intrestin; how is xfce? i have never used it
[13:52] <Haakon_der_Wikin> Hi, how can I change the size of the letters of the Menus in the Windows?
[13:52] <Haakon_der_Wikin> Often, eg. Firefox, this Menutext is written in Mini-Letter-Size, so that it is unreadable.
[13:53] <Haakon_der_Wikin> I work with HDMI-Konnections.
[13:53] <Haakon_der_Wikin> Can you help please?
[13:54] <tsimpson> Haakon_der_Wikin: in System Settings -> Application Appearance -> Fonts and System Settings -> Application Appearance -> GTK+ Appearance
[13:55] <Haakon_der_Wikin> Thanks, will try it.
[13:55] <tsimpson> you may need to logout and back in again to see the changes
[13:56] <Haakon_der_Wikin> Thanks
[13:57] <Haakon_der_Wikin> I see, it affects Kontact immediately, but not firefox
[13:57] <Haakon_der_Wikin> I will log out, mom
[14:00] <Haakon_der_Wikin> Hi, Kontact was changed, Rawstudio and Firefox not  :(
[14:01] <tsimpson> my firefox seems to use the same font as my other applications, which is how it's set in system settings
[14:07] <BluesKaj> Haakon_der_Wikin,  perhaps if you open system settings with root permissions (alt+F2 , kdesudo systemsettings) , and reset the fonts there as well.
[14:07] <Haakon_der_Wikin> Hi, found out: It was GTX+  ;-)
[14:09] <Haakon_der_Wikin> Was set to "Eine andere Schriftart verwenden" (Use a different fonttype) and that was very smal
[14:10] <Haakon_der_Wikin> Thanks a lot. Your hint leads me to the right direction.
[14:11] <tsimpson> you're welcome :)
[14:32] <shashik> hii i am having trouble with muon software centre, can anyone help me,..
[14:33] <shashik> it is crashing a lot, not even able to open it
[14:34] <BluesKaj> shashik,  yes muon has soome problems , is it still open ?
[14:34] <BluesKaj> some
[14:35] <shashik> nope, just after i updated the package lists, it is not able to open,
[14:35] <shashik> just open's for some miniseconds , i guess,
[14:35] <shashik> getting a segmentation fault (11)
[14:37] <BluesKaj> shashik,  open a terminal , sudo apt-get update , then if there are any updates to install , suso apt-get upgrade ... there are updates/upgrades in the repos to fix muon , but the best method is use the terminal to fix that issue
[14:38] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get upgrade
[14:39] <shashik> okay, thanks
[14:41] <markus_> moin
[14:42] <BluesKaj> use real english please
[14:42] <Haakon_der_Wikin> Moinmoin
[14:43] <BluesKaj> !lol
[14:44] <Haakon_der_Wikin> I think, markus is german, and that was only a greeting.
[14:45] <BluesKaj> no matter , that doesn't mean that ppl should use slang
[14:45] <Haakon_der_Wikin> ok
[14:46] <BluesKaj> ppl is acceptable short form
[15:01] <rav1084> hi. i've been using fedora for 3 months and i don't like it. i want to switch back to kubuntu, would there be problems if i back up my entire /home with duplicity and then restore it in a fresh install?
[15:02] <lightstar> rav1084: You shouldn't have any issues with your personal files (docs, pics, etc) but some of the config files will be affected probably.
[15:03] <rav1084> lightstar: duplicity does work on kubuntu?
[15:04] <lightstar> rav1084: I've never used duplicity personally but yes the package does exist on *Ubuntu. You might want to try it out on a virtual machine just in case though
[15:05] <lightstar> rav1084: Though I don't see any reason why it shouldn't work. But never hurts to check it out before doing a complete wipe.
[15:08] <rav1084> lightstar: thanks :)
[15:08] <lightstar> rav1084: you're welcome :)
[15:08] <rav1084> i don't like duplicity, but fedora doesn't have backup2l...
[15:09] <lightstar> rav1084: I personally use rsnapshot but I've heard lots of good things about unison though
[15:09] <lightstar> rav1084: I'll have to check out backup2 :D
[15:49] <yurikoles> hi all, i just created project for kde sc upstream
[15:49] <yurikoles> https://launchpad.net/kde-sc
[15:50] <tsimpson> yurikoles: we already have one
[15:51] <yurikoles> OH SHI~
[15:51] <yurikoles> give me a link
[15:51] <tsimpson> yurikoles: https://launchpad.net/kde
[15:52] <phoenix_firebrd> Since adobe is going to abandon flash for linux, apart form google's support for flash through pepper api and html5, what are the other solutions.
[15:53] <tsimpson> wait 5 years, when it'll actually be an issue
[15:53] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: talking to me?
[15:53] <tsimpson> phoenix_firebrd: yes
[15:54] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: 5 years ? why so?
[15:54] <tsimpson> Adobe will still be providing updates to the current flash for 5 years yet
[15:54] <phoenix_firebrd> tsimpson: oh
[15:54] <tsimpson> well, security updates that is
[15:54] <yurikoles> how to update info on https://launchpad.net/kde
[15:54] <yurikoles> ?
[15:54] <tsimpson> still, that gives us plenty of time to get a solution
[15:55] <tsimpson> yurikoles: what's wrong with it?
[15:55] <yurikoles> no link to wiki, old logo, etc
[15:56] <tsimpson> yurikoles: you should probably poke Riddell then
[15:56] <yurikoles> i just created another project because i don't saw upstream for kde-meta
[15:56] <tsimpson> though those things aren't that important, it's really just a container project for other KDE components
[15:56] <phoenix_firebrd> yurikoles: try #ubuntu-devel
[15:57] <Riddell> yurikoles: I have no idea how those pages are updated, you'd need to ask on launchpad dev channels or mailing lists to find out
[15:57] <yurikoles> WTF? https://launchpad.net/kde/+announcements
[15:57] <Riddell> shrug, either spam or a nonsense project someone registered
[16:00] <yurikoles> i thunk someone made gazungaos part of kde
[16:02] <lovre> hi all
[16:03] <lovre> just a quick question, how do i update my KDE version? Is it available for kubuntu only on new release, or does it update on KDE realeases?ž
[16:05] <BluesKaj> lovre,  sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports , then update / upgrade and dist-upgrade
[16:06] <tsimpson> if you're on 11.10
[16:07] <BluesKaj> lovre,  yes as tsimpson says , if on 11.10
[16:07] <lovre> i see. i am on 11.10, trying as we speak
[16:07] <BluesKaj> lovre,  upgrading to kde 4.8 ?
[16:07] <lovre> BluesKaj: yes
[16:08] <lovre> BluesKaj: yes
[16:08] <BluesKaj> ok , you should be fine , lovre
[16:08] <lovre> should i not do that
[16:08] <lovre> BluesKaj: ok, thanks
[16:08] <tsimpson> or you could wait a couple of months and upgrade to 12.04 ;)
[16:09] <lovre> tsimpson: sure. thanks
[16:18] <Guest756>  .
[16:18] <Guest756> hello
[16:19] <Riddell> yurikoles: added (I think)
[16:25] <al3x_> kello
[16:25] <al3x_> *h
[16:25] <bode> connect #yalta.recruit
[16:28] <sick> hi
[16:30] <sick> -.-
[16:31] <sick> anyone ?
[16:31] <sick> anyone?
[16:31] <tsimpson> do you have a question?
[16:33] <sick> -.- first time run this software in kubuntu. this is a chat room ?
[16:33] <maco> sick: yes, this is a tech support room for kubuntu
[16:33] <tsimpson> this is the Kubuntu technical support chat room
[16:34] <sick> thx.
[16:37] <al3x_> hello
[17:05] <dysoco> why Google is in Arabic ? :S
[17:05] <dysoco> ^I just installed Kubuntu 11.10, using Rekonq at the moment
[17:06] <maco> the logo?
[17:06] <maco> i think that's supposed to be a sound wave for the google doodle
[17:06] <dysoco> maco: nope
[17:06] <dysoco> everything is in Arabic
[17:06] <maco> do you have a .sa ip address?
[17:06] <maco> (proxying?)
[17:06] <dysoco> maco: I don't think so
[17:07] <dysoco> anyway, I'll try with Firefox
[17:07] <ikonia> dysoco: you're on an arabic ISP
[17:07] <ikonia> dysoco: host198.190-229-68.telecom.net.ar
[17:08] <ikonia> that is your host, that's why google is going to the Arabic site
[17:08] <dysoco> really ? That's from Argentina :S
[17:08] <ikonia> oooh is .ar agentina ?
[17:08] <ikonia> I that that was ag
[17:08] <maco> i wonder if google thought the same thing :P
[17:08] <ikonia> in that case....ignore that
[17:09] <dysoco> OK then :P
[17:09] <ikonia> dysoco: what url are you using on google ?
[17:09] <ikonia> google.com ?
[17:09] <dysoco> BTW; Google.com ; Google.es ... they are all the same
[17:09] <ikonia> google.com is a redirector, eg: if I visit google.com it goes to google.es
[17:09] <ikonia> dysoco: can you take a screenshot please ?
[17:10] <dysoco> BTW: I remember an application that let you modify the grub easily, what whas his name ?
[17:10] <dysoco> wait, i'll install Firefox and see if it works properly now
[17:14] <yofel> dysoco: install the kde-config-grub2 package, then you'll find it in system settings -> startup and shutdown -> grub2 bootloader
[17:14] <dysoco> thanks
[17:15] <dysoco> yofel: I installed it but it's not there
[17:16] <dysoco> Oh, OK, it is now
[17:20] <dysoco> OK. Firefox goes to normal Google, that was a Reqonk bug then :P
[17:22] <raveendra_> how to use vgaswitchroo in kubuntu11.10 on a system with ATI HD5470 GPU and intel GPU? please if u give the link to the shell script for the same, that would be helpful
[17:42] <ubuntu> I was installing recordmypc (or whatever it's called) and the ubuntu tutorial website advised me to install MENCODER... no problem. Installed it and it uninstalled a bunch of Gnome3 (yes, i know this is a kubuntu forum, but the problem is larger than UI)... now, after a reset, I had some red error-text that flashed by faster than I could see. Now the UBUNTU heading, with the five dots beneath, has been sitting, loading, overnight. and there it remains.
[17:42] <ubuntu> ideas? help? prayers? I've got a paper that I need to finish on that machine. :(
[17:42] <ubuntu> on my netbook as it happens... at the same desk as the deceased.
[17:47] <BluesKaj> ubuntu,  installing recordmypc should cause your symptoms unless it removed your graphics settings and driver ...have you tried a hard reboot ?
[17:47] <BluesKaj> should NOT
[17:48] <ubuntu> the computer has been turned off until it was cold, then restarted... nothing. :( that's when the panic set in
[17:49] <BluesKaj> does it boot into grub , if so try the recovery kernel
[17:50] <ubuntu> once it finishes post, the screen goes black for 10-15 seconds, then the ubuntu loading icon shows, with three underscore dots that turn white to orange, know the ones i mean? that's where it hung... for 12 hours... and here i am
[17:50] <ubuntu> i assume there's a verbose boot-up sequence
[17:51] <ubuntu> (i'm not green, just not quite your levels yet.)
[17:51] <EvilResistance> ubuntu: i know i cant force you to, but could you change your nick off of "ubuntu" please?  its a nick owned by the IRC Council so... :/
[17:52] <ubuntu> running off the live-boot install. it was the default nick... i'm searching for how to fix it myself... no worries. :)
[17:52] <ubuntu> i have no desire to make waves, you guys have been so good to me over the past few years
[17:53] <ubuntu> better?
[17:53] <ubuntu> hmm.
[17:53] <ubuntu> (supposed to say "LoreCaster"
[17:54] <ubuntu> Now?
[17:54] <ubuntu> grrr
[17:55] <ubuntu> Now?
[17:55] <ubuntu> lemme log-out and log backin.
[17:56] <LoreCaster> There we go!
[17:57] <LoreCaster> :D now, with one success under our proverbial belts, let's lick this fussy boot-up :D
[17:58] <Combatjuan> Is there a way to flag a window to be visible on desktops 1 and 2 but not 3?  As I recall, the boxes in the "To Desktop->" link used to be checkboxes instead of option boxes.
[17:59] <Combatjuan> I might be remembering KDE 3 though...
[18:00] <Combatjuan> In my ideal interface selecting the box portion in the To Desktop menu would check the box whereas selecting the word portion would check that box and uncheck all others.
[18:00] <Combatjuan> I'll bet that pees all over the HIG though.
[18:04] <LoreCaster> (it's me, the user formally known as UBUNTU)
[18:04] <LoreCaster> with the boot-up after POST problem?
[18:05] <BluesKaj> i asked earlier LoreCaster, do you see a grub menu ?
[18:05] <LoreCaster> never get there.
[18:05] <LoreCaster> i described the UBUNTU logo with those 5 or 6 dots that change colour? the loading screen?
[18:06] <LoreCaster> GRUB should follow immediately, as I recall. If i had grub, i'd go into safemode and go from there... :(
[18:06] <BluesKaj> so you don't have autologin enabled ?
[18:06] <LoreCaster> nope, every restart I have to click on the user
[18:07] <BluesKaj> if you run ubuntu then it could be a unity problem
[18:07] <LoreCaster> i was running GNOME3, i despise unity :P
[18:08] <BluesKaj> ok gnome 3 then ...maybe you should  ask in #ubuntu
[18:08] <LoreCaster> i remember when I was installing Mencoder... it removed a bunch of packages... some of them had GNOME in the title. it struck me as odd... then during a regular reset after an update, i saw red text in a verbose shutdown
[18:08] <LoreCaster> but what I mean is it happens before i even get to choose the shell
[18:09] <yofel> LoreCaster: wait, you see the boot splash with the dots? Then you're already past grub
[18:09] <LoreCaster> wierd...
[18:09] <yofel> grub is invisible by default
[18:09] <LoreCaster> alrighty. that info helps me... i already know something changed.
[18:09] <BluesKaj> that's what I found confusing
[18:09] <LoreCaster> ah
[18:09] <LoreCaster> my appologies.
[18:09] <qw-Russian> help me please
[18:09] <qw-Russian> i would like install Windows XP for Ubuntu 10.4 but i would like unistall VirtualBox and reinstall VirtualBox I don't know as me it to make and establish then through VirtualBox Windows XP
[18:10] <yofel> I think the key to make it visible was holding the left shift key after the bios screen
[18:10] <BluesKaj> LoreCaster,  after the bios scrn hold down shift until grub appears
[18:10] <BluesKaj> yofel,  :)
[18:10] <LoreCaster> shift, you got it. booting now :D
[18:11] <LoreCaster> grub loading
[18:11] <LoreCaster> black screen atm
[18:12] <LoreCaster> and back to the ubuntu logo with dots
[18:12] <yofel> did grub show up?
[18:12] <BluesKaj> LoreCaster, try the recobery kernel in grub
[18:13] <BluesKaj> recovery
[18:13] <LoreCaster> it said "grub loading..." screen went black, and then the ubuntu logo came up. no options and no grub. :S
[18:13] <BluesKaj> hold the shift key 'til grub menu shows up
[18:13] <LoreCaster> ahh, there we go
[18:14] <LoreCaster> recovery mode?
[18:14] <qw-Russian> help me
[18:14] <BluesKaj> yes
[18:14] <LoreCaster> in verbose mode now
[18:14] <LoreCaster> (I REALLY appreciate this, ladies and gents)
[18:14] <qw-Russian> in the screen i see next message: No bootable medium found! System halted
[18:14] <LoreCaster> okay... 4 recovery mode options. resume, fsck, remount and root :)
[18:15] <BluesKaj> !ru | qw-Russian
[18:15] <BluesKaj> your transltor isn't working very well , qw-Russian ^^
[18:16] <BluesKaj> heh translator
[18:17] <qw-Russian> what to me to do ?
[18:17] <LoreCaster> (not being impatient, just proactive) shall I "fsck"? Check all file systems? or shall I "root" and drop into root shell and wait for more instructions?
[18:20] <BluesKaj> LoreCaster,  root , then update and upgrade
[18:22] <LoreCaster> what commands, specifically? (so i can't screw this up) I would assume "sudo apt-get install update"
[18:22] <BluesKaj> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade , LoreCaster
[18:23] <LoreCaster> wait... what?! When the "recovery menu" comes up, the keyboard stops working. i can't scroll, type, even restart. :S numlock won't even engage/disengage
[18:23] <LoreCaster> rebooted, tried it again, same result
[18:23] <BluesKaj> looks like a HW problem
[18:24] <LoreCaster> but now... the function key (multimedia keyboard) light will flash if i tap the button, but caps won't, and num won't. this is terribly frustrating. i got INTO the menu with "shift"...
[18:27] <LoreCaster> pulled the usb keyb out of the hub and right into the front bus of the tower, see if that helps
[18:27] <LoreCaster> no change. still no way to select any options. "enter" won't even work
[18:28] <LoreCaster> ctrl+alt+del either :S
[18:28] <BluesKaj> these symptoms are entirely new to me
[18:29] <LoreCaster> imagine how i feel.
[18:29] <BluesKaj> do you have a /home partition ?
[18:30] <LoreCaster> and while it superficially sounds like a hardware failure, the failure only occurs at this screen... and works otherwise. sounds software.
[18:30] <LoreCaster> i didn't play with partitions at all after the base install from a clean drive.
[18:30] <LoreCaster> should be default settings as far as that is concerned
[18:30] <BluesKaj> it's not hardware failure as such , it's software unable to communicate with HW
[18:31] <LoreCaster> that's what i mean... :)
[18:31] <BluesKaj> is what I meant
[18:32] <BluesKaj> there is one method that might work .... reinstall without formatting , this will save your data but reinstall the OS
[18:32] <LoreCaster> and all program settings? files saved to desktop?
[18:33] <BluesKaj> well, I haven't done in a while , not since 10.10 , but it should yes
[18:34] <LoreCaster> oh, nice!
[18:34] <LoreCaster> how would I go about that without installing a side-by-side?
[18:38] <BluesKaj> sde by side ...what exactly do you mean?
[18:40] <LoreCaster> I've done that sort of install before, and i had the option between two independent OS
[18:40] <LoreCaster> s... sort of like installing linux and Win7 on the same system on the same drive.
[18:40] <LoreCaster> unless the install system has dramatically changed...
[18:48] <BluesKaj> LoreCaster,  the reinstall method i used was with the alternate install live cd...and manual partitoning , make sure you don't reformat
[18:49] <LoreCaster> I'm using the live "CD" (SD) for this session on my netbook. anything special for the partitioning? I think i'll boot the OS fully first, and backup my data, just in case :P
[18:53] <BluesKaj> absolutely ..always backup
[18:54] <BluesKaj> LoreCaster,  no you need the alternate install cd
[18:54] <BluesKaj> !alternate
[18:55] <shashik> help me, i am unable to save my ssh keys on the launchpad
[18:56] <shashik> it just says Invalid public key
[18:56] <rosco_y> What is the apt-get command to install java?
[18:56] <tsimpson> shashik: you should ask in #launchpad
[18:56] <BluesKaj> BBL ...stuff to do
[18:56] <shashik> ook tsimpson ,
[18:57] <shashik> thanks
[18:57] <tsimpson> rosco_y: just install default-jre
[18:57] <DaemonFC> Oracle's proprietary Java has been removed from the Ubuntu repositories because Oracle changed their distributor agreement to disallow distributions to distribute it
[18:57] <tsimpson> rosco_y: or just "icedtea-plugin" for the browser plugin
[18:57] <rosco_y> tsimpson: ty, I tried downloading and installing from http://java.com/en/download/manual.jsp?locale=en, but it isn't working in my browser
[18:57] <DaemonFC> it's recommended to use OpenJDK, an open source Java compatible runtime
[18:58] <rosco_y> I'll install the default-jre once, and see what happends :)
[18:59] <DaemonFC> default-jre points to OpenJDK 6, if you want browser applet support then you need icedtea-6-plugin
[18:59] <rosco_y> it tells me I have the latest version installed
[18:59] <rosco_y> DaemonFC: ty, I think that's my trouble
[18:59] <DaemonFC> there's icedtea-netx for Java Web Start
[18:59] <DaemonFC> if you need that too
[19:01] <LoreCaster> back again... running the live-boot off my SD card.
[19:01] <rosco_y> the icedtea-plugin took care of the problem for me--thank everybody :)
[19:02] <LoreCaster> you wanted me to run the install software?
[19:08] <LoreCaster> okay... home folder backed up...
[19:11] <LoreCaster> I have the option to "Upgrade 11.10 to 11,10" would that be a good way to allow the computer to do the install?
[19:13] <BluesKaj> LoreCaster,  yes aslong as it doesn't auto format , otherwise it's a brand new install
[19:14] <LoreCaster> "documents, music, and toher personal files will be kept. installed software will be kept, where possibile. system-wide settings will be cleared."
[19:15] <DasKreech> What version are you running now?
[19:16] <LoreCaster> 11.10... but had a huge error during a reboot. there are even problems during GRUB... so an upgrade might fix the problem
[19:16] <BluesKaj> LoreCaster,  well if you don't mind resetting system settings , fonts. wallpaper, themes etc then go ahead
[19:16] <LoreCaster> perfect. I'll go with that... :D
[19:17] <BluesKaj> ok , good luck
[19:17] <LoreCaster> I just want you guys to know, you're all amazing. This service, your patience and your very reason to help people like myself are the reason why Linux is gaining the popularity it has today. Goddess bless you all :)
[19:19] <BluesKaj> LoreCaster,  well thanks for the vote of confidence beforehand . it's appreciated :)
[19:20] <LoreCaster> in my experience, the universe rewards evidence, and designs results.
[19:20] <LoreCaster> oh!! one more thing... if i could bother you with it.
[19:21] <LoreCaster> my webcam is working, at this very second, during install. but when install is finished, it won't work... it'll be recognizes in fstub (i think that's what it's called) and in the media settings... but will only show a black screen in CHEESE and Skype... but it works at install.
[19:25] <DasKreech> LoreCaster: We can look at that when it comes back up. Working now is a good sign
[19:27] <LoreCaster> it was like that before :P but yeah, after the 'upgrade'
[19:30] <DasKreech> :-)
[19:37] <LoreCaster> doing language packs now
[19:38] <DasKreech> ok
[19:45] <highnz> *test
[19:45] <DasKreech> Fail
[19:47] <BluesKaj> highnz,  test what
[19:47] <BluesKaj> ?
[19:59] <stephans_> i am tunning Ubuntu 11.4 and installed KDE since the new Gnome 3 setup was unstable in my case. i installed the kde minimal metapackage. There is only one thing missing, the volume control icon in the system tray. what did I miss?
[19:59] <stephans_> running
[20:05] <DasKreech> stephans_: why the kde-minimal ?
[20:08] <DasKreech> Also which Gnome3 setup?
[20:08] <stephans_> DasKreech, I wanted the plasma shell but not neccesarily all the KDE programs... like the KDE office suite.
[20:09] <DasKreech> the KDE office suite isn't installed in Kubuntu unless you ask for it
[20:09] <stephans_> Gnome 3, meaning the Ubuntu Unity
[20:09] <DasKreech> !info plasma-desktop
[20:09] <DasKreech> If all you want is the shell that's all you have to install
[20:10] <DasKreech> So you want the KDE Shell but all the Gnome applications is taht correct?
[20:10] <DasKreech> Ta
[20:10] <DasKreech> that
[20:11] <stephans_> DasKreech, I like the basic setup, with file manager basically... and the desktop widgets (plasmoids?)
[20:12] <stephans_> I use the other apps from Ubuntu along with chrome.
[20:12] <stephans_> Like Xchat for example.
[20:12] <stephans_> I also like how in KDE the 3D effects work.
[20:13] <stephans_> Better than Unity for me
[20:13] <DasKreech> stephans_: Alright so what are you missing?
[20:14] <stephans_> I am not sure if there are so many good apps written for KDE other than K3B... and some others...
[20:14] <stephans_> I am missing the volume control
[20:14] <stephans_> the speaker in the lower right
[20:14] <DasKreech> stephans_: Okular
[20:14] <stephans_> that you can control the volume with...
[20:14] <stephans_> Okilar?
[20:15] <stephans_> Okular..
[20:15] <DasKreech> A good KDE app :)
[20:15] <stephans_> ah!
[20:15] <stephans_> What does it do?
[20:15] <DasKreech> !info kmix
[20:15] <DasKreech> !info okular
[20:16] <stephans_> OK, I see that the volume control kmix is optional in the main? Hm... odd...
[20:16] <DasKreech> stephans_: opens documents.  I presume you tried to reboot ?
[20:31] <DasKreech> Are you on the machine now or this is a different machine?
[20:32] <LoreCaster> i am sitting at the desk, on my netbook. my desktop is the one flipping out. the system froze solid here, i didn't want to lose nay valuable code
[20:32] <LoreCaster> i can restart it now, if you like... the mouse won't even move. haha
[20:32] <stephans_> DasKreech, yes now it is there. Thanks lots.
[20:33] <LoreCaster> the last line of code on the screen reads "panic occurred, switching back to text console"
[20:34] <LoreCaster> days like this I almost consider abandoning the path that life has chosen for me... to live in a luddite monestary in the woods -tear-
[20:36] <BluesKaj> LoreCaster,  do you have a prompt , if you do ctl+alt +f1 ?
[20:38] <DasKreech> LoreCaster: :)
[20:38] <DasKreech> stephans_: Ok :)
[20:38] <DasKreech> LoreCaster: how's reboot going?
[20:49] <LoreCaster> -frustration- no prompt... the screen is completely frozen.
[20:49] <LoreCaster> shall I reboot back into the live-boot, or try to go into the HDD install?
[20:55] <LoreCaster> on reboot, if i let grub load, i get huge distortion in the screen and another lockup. no ctrl-alt-delete response, horizontal bars and no legible text
[20:55] <LoreCaster> rebooted again into grub and trying to enter recovery mode
[20:56] <LoreCaster> same problem in grub recov as before
[20:58] <LoreCaster> next reboot went into grub automatically... hit first option ( i assumed it was to resume normally) and now i have a underscore cursor blinking in the top left of the screen, no text, no mouse, no progression
[21:01] <LoreCaster> i'm losing my mind. I may just blow away the partitions and start from a fresh install.
[21:05] <DasKreech> LoreCaster: Are you sure the drive is ok?
[21:05] <DasKreech> a kernel panic on a new install from recovery mode is not normal
[21:06] <LoreCaster> my live-SD boot is up. i'll run a scan of the disk. any particular command you'd recommend? i'd just use a gpartd scan, personanally...
[21:10] <LoreCaster> doing a gpart scan now... 500gb drive. finsihed without any blips.
[21:11] <LoreCaster> i guess i could blow away the entire drive, format it while isolating bad sectors... and reinstall from scratch?
[21:20] <LoreCaster> No feedback?
[21:21] <Lynoure> How does one define which audio device actually outputs the sound? My Multimedia settings just show PulseAudio and I'd like to get my music out through the internal audio card by default instead of the hdmi
[21:22] <Lynoure> (Both are able to make sound, that has been tested)
[21:24] <Lynoure> Any ideas?
[21:29] <LoreCaster> alrighty... you all take care, and thanks again. I know you have lives (those lovely things that i've heard so much about, but as a university student have not experienced first hand in abuot 3 years)
[21:35] <Lynoure> Does anyone here have multiple sound cards? E.g. internal one and display card capable of outputting audio via hdmi?
[21:47] <LoreCaster> yeah, it's me again. I tried the live-install and got "ubi-partman exit code 10"
[21:47] <LoreCaster> ideas?
[21:52] <DasKreech> LoreCaster: Did you do a CD check on the CD?
[21:53] <LoreCaster> SD card. how would I go about that?
[21:57] <LoreCaster> i'm just going to run a straight install to the disk, without the live-boot.
[21:57] <LoreCaster> really sick of playing games with the kernal. :P
[21:57] <DasKreech> LoreCaster: Should have a check option on startup
[21:58] <DasKreech> Lynoure: The Second tab of phonon config should allow you to choose soundcard
[21:58] <DasKreech> LoreCaster: You did a checksum on the image?
[21:59] <deusr> hi
[21:59] <deusr> Does anyone know how to lock the plasma for users unable to make changes?
[21:59] <DasKreech> deusr: kiosk
[22:00] <deusr> DasKreech: for kde 4.7
[22:00] <LoreCaster> it worked before, DasKreech, a number of times. anyway, running a from-scratch one now.
[22:00] <Lynoure> DasKreech: the second tab lets me fiddle with the setting for each, and test if they work, but does not let me change where the music actually plays from
[22:01] <deusr> the kiosk is for kde 3, no?
[22:01] <Lynoure> DasKreech: I'm trying renaming ~/.kde/share/config/phonondevicesrc and restarting KDE tomorrow, and ask again tomorrow if that does not help
[22:04] <DasKreech> deusr: Should still work for KDE 4.x. You can ask in #plasma if you want more specific instructions
[22:04] <DasKreech> Lynoure: Alright
[22:04] <DasKreech> LoreCaster: Strange :-/
[22:05] <LoreCaster> no kidding. i'll grab a nap while this is installing... back in about an hour or so. depending how i'm feeling, I may tackle my WEBCAM... otherwise, it's been a pleasure. :)
[22:05] <deusr> DasKreech: thank's
[22:05] <Lynoure> DasKreech: but if you know how one could neatly remove PulseAudio, I could maybe try that later.
[22:10] <DasKreech> Lynoure: sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio ?
[22:10] <Ezim> why do you want to remove pulseaudio?
[22:11] <Lynoure> DasKreech: and that is enough? Ok.
[22:12]  * DasKreech introduces Ezim to Lynoure 's problem
[22:12] <Lynoure> Ezim: not sure if I want anymore... but with 4.7 I had knotify4 hogging massive resources, mostly memory, and I was told that PulseAudio is probably the real culprit
[22:13] <Lynoure> Ezim: but I have not seen that happen so with 4.8 anymore. But just in case...
[22:13] <Ezim> Lynoure, okey I understand. I have never had this issue.
[22:14] <Lynoure> Ezim: my current problem is that Phonon config only shows PulseAudio and I cannot find a way to configure exactly which device should be used
[22:14] <Lynoure> Ezim: and I prefer my real speakers massively over the monitor speakers (which seem to be now the default, somehow)
[22:14] <Ezim> Lynoure, okey. then I understand.
[22:15] <Lynoure> Ezim: if you know how to configure PulseAudio, that too could help.
[22:15] <Ezim> Lynoure, you can try pavucontrol.
[22:18] <deusr> There is something for plasma? http://extragear.kde.org/apps/kiosktool/
[22:20] <Lynoure> Ezim: thanks, I'll try that too tomorrow :)
[22:20] <Lynoure> (past midnight here)
[22:20] <Ezim> Lynoure, you will find it in the repo.
[22:21] <Lynoure> Ezim: yup, installed already, just too tired for the rest of it now :)
[22:23] <DasKreech> deusr: I know it's there but I haven't done a lasma lockdown myself. #plasma might help more
[22:24] <deusr> ye..ok
[22:51] <Lateralus138> Hello
[23:27] <uglyoldbob> can i upgrade to kubuntu 11.10 from ubuntu-10.04 safely?
[23:37] <gomiboy> uglyoldbob: you have to upgrade to 10.10 and 11.04 first... or wait a couple of months and upgrade directly to 12.04
[23:41] <uglyoldbob> how would i properly do a transition from ubuntu-10.04 to kubuntu-10.04?
[23:45] <Slappy_> i always thought that as linux progressed it would be easier to just plug in a old wireless card into an older laptop and boom everything works. guess i was wrong.
[23:46] <Slappy_> i've tried linux mint/ubuntu and now kubuntu with a linksys wpc54g pcmcia card with a dell 8500 laptop and still can't get it working.
[23:47] <gomiboy> uglyoldbob: install kubuntu-desktop and than: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekdelucid


[01:50] <arraybolt3> How would I report a bug that I believe is likely in the Firefox Snap, but not in Firefox itself and not in snapd? I'm experiencing some odd behavior of the mouse cursor when using Firefox on Lubuntu Kinetic Beta (it's rendering as a standard X cursor rather than as the themed cursor that Lubuntu uses or even the white cursor that was being used before).
[01:50] <arraybolt3> I don't think it should be reported against snapd, nor do I believe Mozilla can do anything about it, but I know reporting it against Firefox is likely to be deflected towards Mozilla.
[02:41] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: That sounds to me like a bug against the gtk-common-themes snap. The cursor theme might not be included in the snap.
[02:41] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: Thanks!
[02:42] <arraybolt3> Maybe Lubuntu just isn't seeding it?
[02:43] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: If that were the case, then the Lubuntu image would fail.
[02:43] <arraybolt3> Hmm. Then I wonder why the cursor renders properly in Ubuntu Desktop (or does it? Maybe it doesn't, I should check).
[02:44] <arraybolt3> (It rendered properly last I looked, but I haven't looked in a while.)
[02:45] <Eickmeyer> Because the theme is included in the gtk-common-themes snap. The cursor theme for Lubuntu, i'd venture, is not.
[02:46] <arraybolt3> Oh... that makes sense to me. OK, I'll make sure I can reproduce, then report a bug. How does one report a bug against a Snap?
[02:46] <arraybolt3> Same procedure as for apt packages?
[02:46] <Eickmeyer> "snap info gtk-common-themes" will tell you what you need to know.
[02:46] <arraybolt3> +1
[07:58] <gioele> hi, I have a patch for ubuntu-dev-tools to fix a bug related to Debian/sid. What is the preferred way to submit that patch? A bug report on bugs.debian.org?
[08:49] <tjaalton> I have a snap that says 'can't open blockdev' and is preventing the system from booting up
[08:49] <tjaalton> how to fix that?
[09:06] <tjaalton> hmm, with older kernel booted up
[09:06] <tjaalton> +it
[09:08] <tjaalton> but gnome-characters snap still complains
[09:24] <tumbleweed> gioele: ubuntu-dev-tools is maintained in git: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-dev-tools . So file, a merge proposal there. Patches in the BTS obviously work too
[09:29] <Unit193> https://bugs.debian.org/1020901
[09:31] <gioele> tumbleweed: too late :) The Vcs-Browse header points to https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu-dev-tools so I assumed that it was a bare git repo outside of LP
[09:35] <Unit193> I have https://git.unit193.net/cgit/users/unit193/ubuntu-dev-tools.git/commit/?id=acc92cb3b611635d04dcc288a21769cd116d593c :3
[09:40] <tumbleweed> gioele: committed
[09:43] <gioele> tumbleweed: what? really? unexpectedly quick :) Thanks
[09:46] <gioele> is a release in sight? (asking because the failing autopkgtest blocks lsb-release(-minimal)'s migration to testing)
[13:17] <jdstrand> bigon: oh gosh, I haven't done anything with that in 10 years :) I am not a nut user any more. I can say that the script came from here: https://git.launchpad.net/qa-regression-testing/log/scripts/test-nut.py (probably adapted). My last commit was 2013, but there have been patches from other team members since then, esp for python3.


[00:29] <cyberix> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/338034
[00:35] <wgrant> Why do bugs with linked branches in listings have an icon with title="Branch exists"? That's pretty useless - I want it to say something like "<Y> lp:~path/to/branch".
[00:35] <wgrant> That way I can see at a glance some actual useful information and go to the relevant branches.
[00:44] <poolie> wgrant, sounds like a bug to me
[00:48] <intellectronica> wgrant: please file a bug, that's a very good idea
[00:58] <wgrant> poolie, intellectronica: I actually had a similar suggestion about the blueprint icon get rejected, but maybe it's worth another try.
[00:58] <poolie> oh really, for what reason?
[00:59] <poolie> branches are being much more actively developed than blueprints
[01:01] <wgrant> poolie: Because there could be multiple linked, or something like that.
[01:01] <wgrant> It was rejected for more than just Blueprint being abandoned for >4 years.
[01:01] <poolie> oh i see
[01:01] <poolie> Pedantical, fuck yeah
[01:02] <intellectronica> wgrant: that's the pretty much the same for bugs and blueprint, it's just that we hardly ever schedule work on blueprint these days
[01:02] <intellectronica> wgrant: i don't think that there being more than one branch is a reason not to do this
[01:02] <poolie> seems to me you should have either "bug 1234" (which is surely the common case) or "multiple bugs"
[01:02] <poolie> or "bug 1234,1235, 1236"
[01:02] <poolie> hello bot :)
[01:02] <wgrant> poolie: That's what I thought.
[01:03] <wgrant> poolie: Pedantical?
[01:03]  * wgrant biles a fug.
[01:03] <wgrant> Malone, I presume? Or lp-bzr?
[01:04] <poolie> if you're talking about links to branches, i'd say lp-bzr
[01:04] <intellectronica> wgrant: file it on malone, please
[01:04]  * wgrant 's head explodes.
[01:04]  * wgrant files it on malone.
[01:47] <rockstar> wgrant, you were asking about commit hooks for Tarmac.    I *could* create a user just for my tarmac instance, but it doesn't make a lot of sense.
[02:37] <wgrant> rockstar: Can't you just override whoami?
[02:37] <wgrant> The LP user doesn't matter.
[02:37] <rockstar> wgrant, I could, but that wouldn't make much sense, methinks.  I'd like Launchpad to be able to tell people who to abuse for a specific revision.
[02:38] <rockstar> The "Contact this user" button makes the LP user matter.
[02:38] <rockstar> I assume responsibility for my instance of Tarmac.
[02:38] <wgrant> The person to contact is the person who authored the branch.
[02:38] <wgrant> Ah, I see.
[02:39] <rockstar> I authored the branch that the revision is present in by setting a small script to do it.
[02:39] <wgrant> I don't see it that way.
[02:39] <wgrant> In a way it should be whoever set the bmp status.
[02:40] <rockstar> wgrant, there will be a commit message modification that will state who the reviewers were that approved it, but the person who actually did the merging is more responsible for it.
[02:40] <rockstar> Setting the branch to approved requires permissions.
[02:41] <wgrant> rockstar: But the person who did the merging is perfect (because it is a robot), and the only person who writes to the branch, so even its identity is uninteresting. The owner is even less interesting.
[02:55] <rockstar> wgrant, I don't completely disagree with you.  I'll have to think about it.
[02:56] <wgrant> rockstar: I'm not sure of the ideal solution, but I think neither the PQM nor Tarmac solutions are good.
[02:59] <rockstar> wgrant, which solution are you talking about.
[03:00] <rockstar> Are you talking about the robotic landing of branches?
[03:01] <wgrant> rockstar: No, the attribution of the commit.
[03:01] <wgrant> It is certainly nitpicking, but it is slightly important.
[03:01] <wgrant> Particularly in the tarmac case, as it shows it's you doing everything.
[03:37] <rockstar> wgrant, technically, it is me doing the landing.  I'm saying "Tarmac, do what I'm too lazy to do" and it says "In your name master."
[08:33] <AnAnt> spm: Hello
[09:27] <davmor2> Guys just a quick heads up I keep getting time out errors on lp trying to report a bug it's been happening since last evening about 5-7 ish
[09:27] <wgrant> davmor2: edge.launchpad.net, or plain launchpad.net?
[09:28] <davmor2> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[09:28] <wgrant> Ew.
[09:29] <davmor2> wgrant: http://paste.ubuntu.com/126608/ is what I'm getting
[09:30] <davmor2> daft thing is I can access other bugs I just can't write this new one :(
[09:32] <wgrant> davmor2: At what stage does it die?
[09:34] <davmor2> wgrant: I type in the summary and hit continue then get that page everytime since last night
[09:34] <wgrant> davmor2: What is the search term?
[09:34] <wgrant> Also, try https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug instead. It might work.
[09:35] <davmor2> wgrant: same thing
[09:36] <wgrant> What is the search string?
[09:36] <davmor2> it's not going to be something daft like the summary is too long is it?
[09:37] <davmor2> Jaunty: Codecs used in totem youtube plugin conflict with those in ubuntu-restricted-extras
[09:38] <thekorn> confirmed, same here with this subsect
[09:38] <thekorn> subject
[09:38] <wgrant> Me too.
[09:39] <davmor2> that was as short but as discriptive as I could get the title aswell
[09:47] <davmor2> wgrant: So is it just the search timing out then?  If so I can try and alter the subject and see if I can report
[09:51] <wgrant> davmor2: It is just the search, yes. Maybe the advanced reporting page would be better.
[09:52] <davmor2> So l changed the summary and it gone through now :)
[09:52] <davmor2> thanks for the help :)
[15:43] <mpt> barry, staging.launchpad.net seems to have fallen over
[15:44] <mpt> If it was being resynced, it would show an offline page rather than an Oops page, right?
[15:44] <barry> mpt: ouch, yes.  there was an email this morning about an update problem.  let me ping folks
[15:45] <mpt> tnx
[15:52] <barry> mpt: stub & losas are looking into it
[16:03] <barry> mpt: staging is back online
[16:06] <mpt> thanks barry
[16:42] <Ng> ohai!
[16:43] <Ng> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux - 15 months of publishing history maybe a little too much?
[16:46] <barry> Ng: yeah, that pages takes a while to render, eh?
[16:46] <Ng> just a bit
[16:47] <barry> and what does "see full publishing history..."  I'm too scared to find out ;)
[16:47] <barry> Ng: it actually renders MUCH faster :)
[16:48] <barry> Ng: what do you think? maybe the comments for supercededs should be suppressed?
[16:50] <Ng> barry: my initial reaction was just that it should be paginated, with a page size that's reasonable for a small project and for things that are uploaded very frequently
[16:50] <Ng> <!-- at least 805 queries issued in 10.03 seconds -->
[16:50] <Ng> and the page souce is 2.64Mb
[16:53] <barry> Ng: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/338318
[16:54] <Ng> barry: thanks, that popped up as a suggestion for the bug I was starting to file :)
[16:55] <barry> for some reason, i'm running 3 seconds ahead of everybody today :)
[16:55]  * barry -> lunch
[17:16] <jam> hey guys, is there something wrong with the launchpad ssh server?
[17:17] <jam> I'm getting: SSHException: Error reading SSH protocol banner
[17:17] <yann2> hello :)
[17:18] <yann2> I got a time problem to report
[17:18] <yann2> can a commit be done in the future? https://code.launchpad.net/~digisite-dev/digisite/head
[17:18] <jam> hmm... seems to be working again
[17:18] <jam> yann2: timestamps are based on the time given by your machine
[17:19] <jam> and certainly your clock may be different from other people's
[17:19] <yann2> not mine :)
[17:19] <jam> well, benni's
[17:19] <yann2> alright then
[17:19] <yann2> just looked weird :)
[17:19] <yann2> hope it wont make problems
[17:19] <jam> yann2: it won't matter in an hour :)
[17:37] <yann2> bzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged.  Try using "merge" and then "push".
[17:37] <yann2> i merged 5 minutes ago
[17:37] <yann2> :'(
[17:42] <beuno> yann2, they diverged again!
[17:42] <beuno> active project
[17:42] <beuno> did you commit?
[17:43] <yann2> bah, am discovering bazaar
[17:43] <yann2> I think the learning curve is just not that easy :)
[17:44] <beuno> yann2, it depends against what you compare it to  ;)
[17:46] <savvas> yann2: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/en/mini-tutorial/index.html
[17:46] <savvas> ah wait, you're past that :P
[17:56] <yann2> I think I managed my first merge \o/ ;) works pretty well
[17:57] <beuno> congrats yann2
[17:57] <yann2> :P
[18:55] <AnAnt> Hello, question #62612 got marked as answered by mistake, how do I fix that ?
[20:05] <icebrian_> hello any web admin here? need to close a project
[20:05] <SamB> icebrian_: what for ?
[20:06] <icebrian_> SamB, I opened a project mostly because I wanted to test-run launchpad, I soon realised it was overkill for the size of my project
[20:06] <icebrian_> SamB, it is now showing-up in search results and people are getting confused
[20:07] <barry> icebrian_: which project?
[20:07] <icebrian_> domus.Link
[20:08] <barry> icebrian_: do you know about our staging server?
[20:08] <icebrian_> barry, nope
[20:08] <barry> icebrian_: staging.launchpad.net
[20:09] <SamB> barry: a lot of good that does him *now*
[20:09] <barry> icebrian_: you can do anything you want on that server.  it has a copy of the production database, but it gets reset every night (or thereabouts) so your changes get deleted
[20:09] <barry> SamB: yeah, this is for next time :)
[20:09] <icebrian_> barry, site isn't opening
[20:09] <icebrian_> barry, ah ok but I see the point... yeah didn't know about it before
[20:09] <barry> icebrian_: i know there was some planned maintenance on it, it'll be back up soon
[20:09] <icebrian_> barry, sorry for the inconvinience
[20:10] <barry> icebrian_: no, no problem at all.  let me see if i can get an admin to disable that project
[20:10] <barry> icebrian_: just to verify: https://launchpad.net/domus.link
[20:10] <icebrian_> barry, thanks. account however should remain active :)
[20:10] <thumper> morning
[20:10] <barry> icebrian_: yep!
[20:10] <icebrian_> barry, that's it.
[20:10] <barry> cool, hang on a sec...
[20:10] <barry> thumper: hi!
[20:11] <thumper> hey barry
[20:13] <dereine> how do i unlock a location
[20:13] <barry> icebrian_: we request that you open a question so that the admins can look at your request.
[20:13] <dereine> bzr break-lock lp-45955728:///~dereine/+junk/configfiles/.bzr/branch/lock itself does not work
[20:13] <barry> icebrian_: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+addquestion
[20:13] <barry> icebrian_: use "Launchpad itself" as the project
[20:14] <icebrian_> barry, will do
[20:14] <barry> icebrian_: be sure to include the url to your project and paste the question url here when you've submitted it
[20:14] <barry> and i'll make sure it gets properly assigned
[20:15] <icebrian_> barry, ok thanks
[20:15] <barry> dereine: that looks like a weird bzr branch url
[20:16] <barry> dereine: i just branched lp:~dereine/+junk/configfiles just fine.  where do you see the lock problem?
[20:16] <barry> dereine: i.e. is that on a local branch?
[20:16] <icebrian_> barry, question: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/63207
[20:18]  * barry wonders why irc hates him so much
[20:18] <barry> icebrian_: assigned to the losas
[20:19] <icebrian_> barry, thanks :)
[20:19] <barry> np!
[20:19] <icebrian_> btw the new site looks great! congrats on that
[20:28] <barry> icebrian_: thanks!  we're excited about 3.0 also.  it's gonna rock
[20:29] <jml> barry: I see you are the help contact! Is staging down?
[20:30] <barry> jml: staging's been up and down all day.  it was oopsing earlier, but now that's fixed.  it was up for a while but right now it's not
[20:30] <jml> barry: that sucks.
[20:30] <barry> yeah
[20:57] <jamesh> jml: when you proposed my testresources branch for review, were you planning on reviewing it?
[20:57] <jamesh> (I'd be happy if you were)
[20:57] <jml> jamesh: I am!
[20:58] <jml> jamesh: but I haven't had the chance yet.
[20:58] <jamesh> yay
[20:58] <jml> jamesh: (and I wanted to generate a diff easily so I could just review it without fiddling about when the right confluence of time & energy arises)
[21:00] <Laney> Is support for syncing straight from LP (for people with upload rights) targetted for any release?
[21:23] <barry> Laney: i'm not quite sure what your question is asking.  do you mean branch sync'ing, translation sync'ing?
[21:23] <Laney> package syncing
[21:23] <Laney> i.e. from debian
[21:24] <Laney> I heard that LP was getting a UI for this
[21:25]  * Mez yawns
[21:25] <wgrant> rockstar: If the BMP diff isn't meant to update, what is the point of it?
[21:25] <Mez> am surprised that this channel is so active nowadays
[21:25] <Mez> hey wgrant and jamesh :D surprised to see you in here :D
[21:26] <jamesh> Mez: I'm not in my normal time zone
[21:26] <rockstar> wgrant, for the original review.  If you want moving diffs, you need something like https://edge.launchpad.net/mad
[21:27] <rockstar> wgrant, Launchpad already requires a large amount of resources without having to update diffs on every single BMP.
[21:27] <wgrant> rockstar: Right, I discovered that from the bug. Maybe that should be advertised.
[21:27] <wgrant> Hi Mez.
[21:27] <rockstar> wgrant, thumper's going to publicize it, but it's relatively new.
[21:28] <barry> Laney: other than PPAs i'm not aware of anything
[21:28] <thumper> wgrant: it isn't a bug that the review diff doesn't change
[21:28] <thumper> wgrant: it is a feature
[21:29] <jamesh> rockstar: even if you are running mad, the diff shown on the BMP page gets out of date.
[21:29] <wgrant> thumper: It is not a feature. It is an unfortunate result of it being a heavy operation, isn't it?
[21:29] <wgrant> It also *needs* to show when it is out of date.
[21:29] <thumper> jamesh: the confusion here is that the nice diff shown isn't the preview diff
[21:30] <Mez> jamesh: no, I mean I didnt know you knew about SO :D
[21:30] <thumper> jamesh: I have a plan to work with beuno to make the page nicer
[21:30]  * Mez wonders what your karmas are :D
[21:30] <Mez> oh, wait
[21:30]  * Mez is an idiot
[21:30] <wgrant> SO?
[21:30]  * Mez thought this was another channel :D
[21:30] <Mez> hehe
[21:30] <wgrant> -ECHAN?
[21:30] <wgrant> Heheh.
[21:30] <Mez> wgrant: stackoverflow - http://www.stackoverflow.com/ and #stackoverflow
[21:30] <wgrant> Ah.
[21:30] <jamesh> thumper: it is confusing that that diff gets out of date when the developer fixes bugs during the review
[21:30] <wgrant> I do know of it, but I don't live in that channel.
[21:31] <thumper> jamesh: well...
[21:31] <thumper> jamesh: there are several problems here
[21:32] <thumper> jamesh: all kinda related
[21:33] <jamesh> or if they make the proposal, notice a typo and fix it just after
[21:34] <wgrant> thumper: Why is generating a BMP diff so much more expensive than viewing a revision diff in Loggerhead?
[21:35] <rockstar> wgrant, you do know the state of Loggerhead right?
[21:35] <wgrant> rockstar: I was about to say that, yes...
[21:35] <wgrant> But until it dies, it works fine.
[21:36] <Laney> barry: Thanks, filing a bug then
[21:38] <rockstar> wgrant, ask the losas how often it dies, and then ask yourself whether you'd like something similar from Launchpad.
[21:38] <rockstar> wgrant, in fairness to Loggerhead, we've made large strides recently.
[21:38] <wgrant> rockstar: I am aware of how often it dies.
[21:38] <spm> rockstar: * * * * * /etc/init.d/loggerhead restart <== is *very very* tempting
[21:38] <rockstar> spm, !
[21:38] <rockstar> :)
[21:39] <wgrant> But I don't imagine that the short-lived branch puller would have such a problem. My main point was that Loggerhead can, when it is not broken, generate a diff quickly.
[21:39] <rockstar> wgrant, not a diff between two branches, just a diff between two revisions.
[21:41] <wgrant> rockstar: Hmm, true...
[22:14] <ryanakca> Ermm... I just got an email from a Cuban librarian (who wants to try Ubuntu/Kubuntu in the library), but can't download the ISOs due to crappy cuban connections, and can't register for shipit because of some form of web filtering by the government. Who should I forward him to / etc?
[22:18] <cj> Mez: for a moment there, I thought you were a different Mez (http://mezziah.org/)
[22:22] <Mez> cj :(
[22:23] <cj> Mez: huh?  Why the long face?
[22:25] <Mez> cause I *was* unique. then the fake ones started coming along
[22:33] <barry> ryanakca: let me see if i can dig something up
[22:33] <ryanakca> barry: Thanks
[22:36] <salgado> ryanakca, please ask him to write to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>explaining the situation and their address so that we can send them some CDs
[22:37] <ryanakca> salgado: thanks
[22:44] <vadi2> How can I make a new announcement for my project? I don't see the button.
[22:48] <barry> vadi2: which project?  for one you own it should be right under the "report a bug" button
[22:49] <vadi2> I'm in the driver ream, but the maintainer is another person
[22:49] <barry> vadi2: that may be why you don't see it.  off hand i don't know if the driver can make announcements
[22:50] <vadi2> yes, I see it now, need to be maintaner / par of maintainer team
[22:50] <vadi2> *part
[22:50] <vadi2> sorry 'bout that


[21:30] <jvrbanac> mhall119, Howdy! Just an little notification, I'll be finished with school in about two weeks and I am really looking forward to spending a good amount of time on the Developer Network. :D
[21:38] <mhall119> jvrbanac: awesome, I will hopefully have some time to commit to it soon to
[21:41] <mhall119> going to try and get the Quickly reboot far enough along that other people can start porting templates
[21:41] <mhall119> without fear of me changing quickly-core on them
[21:48] <jvrbanac> mhall119, fantastic! Yeah, I've been so swamped with work and school I've barely had a moment to breath. I was able to get some basic stuff done before the family came in for Thanksgiving, but it wasn't really worth mentioning.
[23:30] <mhall119> jvrbanac: no worries, we'll get it done
[23:39] <jvrbanac> ^moment to take a breath. lol
[23:42] <jvrbanac> mhall119, I did add in an additional static project file path so that we don't mess with the ubuntu-community template.
[23:43] <jvrbanac> With that I did add in simple scrollpanes for the class, enum, and function lists


[15:43] <smatzek> does anyone know if a cloud-init fork exists, and where it is, that will consume the network_data.json produced by OpenStack https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/netutils.py#L173
[15:43] <smatzek> ?
[17:43] <smoser> smatzek, fwiw, that will land by 16.04 in cloud-init
[17:43] <smoser> and really like ... next week :)
[17:43] <smoser> or a week after that.
[17:53] <smatzek> smoser: thanks


[16:29] <liminal>  im trying to install ubuntu lts 10.4 desktop 32bit, but it crashes
[16:29] <liminal> it offers me a desktop session to investigate
[16:29] <liminal> ive tried installing using the text console,  it finishes succesfully with no errors
[16:29] <liminal> but upon restarting all i see is a flashing -
[16:30] <liminal> nothing happens
[17:27] <CarlFK> x64 10.04 cd - I boot, let the defaults timeout, it leaves me with a login dialog - I have no clue what the user/pw is.  is that expected?