[09:34] <davmor2> morning everyone
[09:34]  * davmor2 thinks the wiki still isn't quite right
[09:52] <JonPackard> davmor2: Morning davmor2 :)
[09:55] <davmor2> morning :)
[09:56] <JonPackard> davmor2: do you have the template you were working on ready? I want to add the link to the meeting summary
[09:56] <davmor2> JonPackard: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Bug-Report-Layout I posted it to the qa list too :)
[09:57] <JonPackard> great thanks!
[09:58] <persia> davmor2: A couple questions about that template: firstly, does the testing team always know the cause?
[09:59] <persia> Secondly, Do you think the tester shouldn't self-triage the reported bug?  While more eyes are good, I'd think more streamlining would be a faster path to a fix.
[10:00] <davmor2> persia: Sometimes yes, if you read the wiki page you'll see why I added it..  Nine times out of ten before I report a bug I'll go onto the relevant -devel channel and say this is happening most of the time I get an answer as to the cause.  So I think it is useful to have it in there as a reminder to the dev's about the discussion.
[10:01] <persia> davmor2: That makes sense.  I suppose it depends on the class of bug, but many of the ISO testing bugs are certainly explainable.
[10:03] <davmor2> persia: No one should triage there own bug.  However I see no issue with the stuff me and stgraber were doing where by we confirmed each others bug's and then I believe slangasek add priorities etc to all the confirmed bugs :)
[10:04] <persia> davmor2: Hmm.  From a process point of view, that makes sense, although in many cases when one understands a bug well, and knows that all the information is provided, it's tempting.  I think working in pairs sounds like a good solution.  Thanks for the explanation.
[10:05] <davmor2> persia: No Probs :)
[10:10] <davmor2> ara: which channel did you let know about the wiki?
[10:23] <ara> davmor2: i didn't
[10:23] <ara> davmor2: someelse did
[10:23] <davmor2> ara: ah right thanks :)]
[11:16] <stgraber> davmor2: I updated the wiki page layout a bit
[11:16] <davmor2> :)
[11:25] <davmor2> stgraber: how did you get the magic lines to appear ?
[11:27] <stgraber> you put --- instead of [11:27] <davmor2> D'oh I know I'd done something wrong I couldn't think what :)
[11:27] <stgraber> hehe :)
[11:29] <davmor2> Looks good ta stgraber :)
[11:53] <cr3> ara: hi there, would you like to spend a moment with that ldtp integration in hwtest?
[11:53] <ara> cr3: sure
[11:53] <ara> cr3: did you get the chance to try what i sent you?
[11:55] <davmor2> cgregan: bit twirly for you isn't it dude :)
[11:55] <cgregan> yep
[11:55] <cgregan> meeting
[11:56] <cgregan> mobile IRC over on ubuntu-meeting in 5
[11:56] <cr3> ara: nope, I had forgotten about that. give me a little moment
[12:00] <persia> cgregan: Well, no.  still 16:00 UTC this time.
[12:00] <cgregan> persia: I thought dave moved it as of yesterday
[12:01] <cgregan> grrrr
[12:01] <davmor2> I didn't :P
[12:01] <cgregan> hehe
[12:02] <persia> cgregan: It was proposed.  Changing it requires consensus :p
[12:02] <davmor2> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1576 no change here :)
[12:02] <cgregan> persia...well then...I'm off to start my morning in a more traditional way. (30 more minutes of sleep, and breakfast)
[12:03] <davmor2> which is a shame :(
[12:03] <cgregan> :-)
[12:07] <cr3> ara: ok, I've checked your email. first, how do you typically run your ldtp tests?
[12:07] <ara> I use ldtprunner
[12:08] <cr3> ara: right, what's the exact command?
[12:08] <ara> it depends on the test you want to run
[12:08] <ara> for updatesystem, i.e.
[12:08] <ara> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation/LDTP/UpdateSystem
[12:09] <ara> you can do ldtprunner update_system.xml
[12:09] <cr3> ara: is that one test or a suite of tests for update system?
[12:10] <ara> cr3: in that case it only contains one test. but to be specific, it is a test suite that contains 1 test for the time being :-)
[12:11] <cr3> ara: cool, exactly what I needed to know :)
[12:11] <ara> cr3: if you use openAll, there are test suites with more than one test case :-)
[12:13] <cr3> ara: in your ubuntu-tests project, where do you intend to install your xml files?
[12:13] <cr3> ara: maybe we should start packaging your project...
[12:13] <ara> cr3: yes
[12:14] <cr3> ara: I could help with that, where do you want the files in the respective directories: gedit, openAll and updateSystem?
[12:14] <ara> cr3: but you can suppose any shared folder
[12:14] <cr3> ara: /usr/share/ubuntu-tests?
[12:14] <ara> cr3: yes
[12:15] <cr3> cool, mind if I try it out and then push to your branch?
[12:15] <ara> cr3: and keeping the folder structure I think is a good idea
[12:16] <cr3> ara: do you want the package to be called ubuntu-tests or ubuntu-desktop-testing as we discussed in london?
[12:17] <ara> mmm, ubuntu-desktop-testing includes both ubuntu-tests and testing-library
[12:17] <ara> cr3: and I think they should be different packages
[12:17] <cr3> ara: when you say "includes", you mean "requires" in packaging lingo, right?
[12:18] <cr3> ara: so you're working on three projects right now?
[12:18] <ara> cr3: and maybe ubuntu-desktop-testing being a meta package that requieres both of them
[12:18] <ara> ubuntu-desktop-testing would be a metapkg
[12:18] <cr3> ara: what's the LP project for testing-library?
[12:18] <ara> cr3: same
[12:19] <ara> cr3: but another bzr branch
[12:19] <cr3> ara: evil! :)
[12:19] <davmor2> sbeattie: ping
[12:20] <ara> cr3: :D
[12:20] <cr3> ara: you should either fold the code into the same branch, which could result in two packages anyways. or, you should create another project
[12:21] <ara> cr3: ok. will think about it
[12:21] <cr3> ara: for now, I would lean towards the first option. we could always change our minds later
[12:22] <cr3> basically, keep things self contained as much as possible unless there is a specific use case
[12:24] <ara> ok, then I will fold the code into the same branch
[12:25] <cr3> ara: cool, please do that and I'll continue working on creating two packages from that branch. we could create a meta package afterwards if necessary
[12:25] <cr3> let me know when you've pushed your changes and where the changes reside
[12:25] <ara> cr3: ok. will do. lunch time now :) will continue afterwards
[12:26] <persia> Hrm?  Why is it bad to have multiple branches in a project?
[12:27] <cr3> persia: unrelated branches, not just branches of the same code
[12:27] <persia> cr3: But in the same rough collection of stuff?
[12:27] <cr3> persia: for example, pushing a mozilla branch under the xorg project is uncool
[12:28] <persia> cr3: Certainly.  On the other hand, the ubuntu-dev-tools project has a lot of different little utilities, which are released together, but each could be developed separately.
[12:28] <cr3> persia: not the same to the extent where merges can be done between the branches
[12:29] <persia> I think that for smaller projects, it might make sense to leave them together just to avoid namespacing issues, but perhaps that's just me.
[12:30] <cr3> persia: that's fine, the point of branches is that features can be developed independently. however, once these features are done, they should be merged into the trunk
[12:31] <cr3> persia: furthermore, the concept of series is meant to have one main branch, typically called "trunk", per project
[12:31] <cr3> persia: err, one main branch per release. for example, there might be a 1.0 series for a particular release
[12:31] <persia> Ah, right.  I've misread the backlog.  I perceived the concept of identity between package and branch, but now see that there is one branch for multiple packages as a target, which works.
[12:34] <cr3> I kinda wish LP was a bit more opiniated in terms of project management, it's too easy to get confused with all the features made readily available
[12:52] <cr3> ara: let me know when you come back from lunch, I have another suggestion for you: hwtest integration could be provided as another package developed within the same project
[12:53] <cr3> ara: so, all the code relating to desktop testing could be self contained in a single project and be decoupled appropriately in the form of packages
[13:13] <cr3> schwuk: ping, how does pyrering make use of those generated reports?
[13:16] <schwuk> cr3: AFAICT it doesn't. No reporting framework whatsoever. I suspect they will have something internally (after all can you imagine a Google *not* using a database of some kind?), but as far as Pyreing itself goes the reports are the end result.
[13:19] <ara> cr3: just got back
[13:19] <ara> cr3: that sounds good
[13:58] <cr3> ara: have you got ubuntutesting and the ubuntu-tests under a single branch now?
[13:58] <ara> not, yet. will let you know
[13:58] <ara> cr3: ^
[13:59] <cr3> ara: mind if I do it? I've got packaging done which you could review for me
[13:59] <ara> cr3: sure
[14:01] <cr3> ara: see packaging branch under the ubuntu-testing project. you can run debuild in there to create the ubuntu-tests and testing-library packages
[14:02] <cr3> ara: please try installing those packages and let me know if they look good
[14:03] <ara> cr3: ok
[14:21] <davmor2> So cgregan up for  real this time then :)
[14:22] <cgregan> davmor2: Yes....and feeling much better about it! :-)
[14:22] <cgregan> large cuppa and a little food.
[14:23] <davmor2> :)
[14:59] <davmor2> cody-somerville: Saturday's aren't good for me :(
[15:24] <sbeattie> davmor2: pong
[15:43] <davmor2> sbeattie: How do what were you saying yesterday about the dl-iso-test script?
[15:45] <sbeattie> oh, right. the latest dl-ubuntu-test-iso script in the ubuntu-qa-tools bzr branch supports a "--versions" argument.
[15:45] <sbeattie> This walks your ~/iso/ tree looking for files named *.iso and runs isoinfo on them to pull out and report the contents of /.disk/info which includes the specific build version.
[15:46] <sbeattie> (Though looking now, it doesn't include the type of iso, livecd vs alternate)
[15:47] <davmor2> :) something to perfect then :)
[15:47] <sbeattie> that's useful for after the fact gathering the build information to report in the bug.
[15:49] <davmor2> true.
[17:14] <sbeattie> davmor2: I'd be curious if you can reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/memtest86+/+bug/246412
[17:17] <davmor2> That's good it just fails everything then dies
[17:18] <sbeattie> you got the same result? I'm going to nominate it for intrepid then, so that hopefully someone looks at it.
[17:19] <davmor2> I've added a confirm to it anyway :)
[17:19] <sbeattie> heh, thanks. :-)
[18:07] <cgregan> ogasawara: ping
[18:07] <ogasawara> cgregan: pong
[18:07] <cgregan> Hello
[18:07] <ogasawara> cgregan: what's up
[18:08] <cgregan> I just ran your script for the test results.....worked great for the results....but it did something weird with the data it pulled
[18:08] <cgregan> It grabbed the URL and put it as the section header, dropping the section header
[18:09] <cgregan> Not sure why....it was working fine the last time
[18:09] <cgregan> At the sprint
[18:09] <ogasawara> hrm, can you paste bin it for me to look at?
[18:09] <cgregan> Sure
[18:11] <cgregan> ogasawara: https://pastebin.canonical.com/7804/
[18:11] <cgregan> ogasawara: BTW....the customer is still happy....so thanks for working on this
[18:12] <ogasawara> cgregan: and can you refresh my memory for an example test case wiki to test with
[18:13] <cgregan> ogasawara: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/cgregan/testing/sample-cases
[18:20] <cgregan> ogasawara: One thing I noticed...not sure if it matters: When the ubuntu wiki translates [18:20] <cgregan> I would think moinmoin would translate the same way everywhere.....but I think we are using the raw text anyway
[18:21] <ogasawara> cgregan: hrm, just testing here really quick with the sample-cases wiki and it worked.  can you maybe grab me the raw wiki text of one of the actual test cases from Canonical site
[18:22] <cgregan> sure
[18:23] <cgregan> ogasawara: https://pastebin.canonical.com/7805/
[18:27] <ogasawara> cgregan: do you mind if I temporarily edit the sample-cases wiki so I can test?
[18:27] <cgregan> not at all
[19:01] <ogasawara> cgregan: how hard would it be to get me a wiki login for harbour?  I can't seem to reproduce what you guys are seeing.
[19:02] <cgregan> Hmm.....Not that hard. moving to private
[19:02] <ogasawara> ok


[01:07] <gry> if I have installed xubuntu after windows, how easy is it to shrink the windows partition (once it's got enough space) and expand the xubuntu one?
[01:09] <Unit193> Using gparted?  Not really hard, though it's always recommended to backup anything you'd need.
[01:11] <gry> do I need to defrag? do I need to boot into windows after shrinking its partition? or something
[01:12] <Unit193> Defrag would be a good idea, running chkdsk (chkntfs?) after would be recommended.
[01:13] <Unit193> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/partitioning
[01:13] <gry> sure thanks, I'll give that a try
[01:14] <Unit193> Hope it helps.
[01:24] <crashedpc> partitioning a USB thumbdrive reduces the lifespan.  anything else i should be aware of becides this?
[01:25] <Unit193> What format you going for?
[01:26] <crashedpc> ext2
[01:26] <holstein> you could argue ext2 instead of ext4
[01:28] <Unit193> Or fat, for flash.
[01:35] <crashedpc> oh. a problem i have come across on a build im working on: when attempting to boot from the xubuntu  x86 12.04.1 CD with a Dell i4600 board i get an error message telling me something about expecting a filesystem and not being able to find it (disk works fine in other computers, im currently using it to install to this laptop ATM)
[01:35] <crashedpc> any idea whats going on? (burned with windows image burner)
[01:37] <crashedpc> i was able to boot kubuntu but i'd rather install from a xubuntu disk rather than having to install twice
[01:41] <Liquidedge> My 2 year old totally blew up my taskbar.  Is there a way to reset it to defaults?
[01:42] <crashedpc> screenshot maybe?
[01:45] <Liquidedge> http://imgur.com/Mmgot
[01:45] <holstein> Liquidedge: i would just look at the live cd, or a new user... or blow it out in the /home
[01:46] <crashedpc> new user, transfer files. easiest thing i can think of
[01:46] <holstein> just remove the panel settings from /home
[01:47] <Liquidedge> Is it a hidden directory or file?
[01:48] <Liquidedge> I don't know where the panel settings are.
[01:48] <crashedpc> its amazing what kids and animals can do
[01:48] <Liquidedge> My little floating bar across the bottom is gone, too.
[01:49] <Unit193> .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-panel.xml  and  .config/xfce4/panel/
[01:49] <crashedpc> ctrl + H to show hidden files
[01:51] <Liquidedge> I only see datetime-7.rc
[01:51] <Liquidedge>  in the panel directory
[01:52] <Liquidedge> I imagine after I delete it, I have to restart?
[01:54] <crashedpc3> or just log back in
[01:55] <Liquidedge> yeah, didn't work.
[02:12] <yuril> hey what is xubuntu's login manager? slim?
[02:13] <Unit193> lightdm, in newer versions.
[02:26] <yuril> unit193: thanks
[02:27] <Unit193> Sure.
[02:33] <john_rambo> Using Xubuntu 12.04. Is it possible to display weather beside the clock ?
[02:34] <Unit193> There is a weather applet.
[02:35] <Unit193> !info xfce4-weather-plugin
[02:38] <john_rambo> Found it. Thanks
[04:02] <Random833> thunderbird doesn't respect my browser setting, and opens firefox. wat do?
[04:04] <holstein> try sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser Random833
[04:06] <Random833> so... there's no way to make it respect per-user XFCE preferred apps?
[04:08] <Random833> also, i just checked, and chromium is actually selected in that
[04:08] <holstein> Random833: does it help? is thunderbird "respecting" those settings?
[04:09] <holstein> Random833: theres a way in the GUI that apparently isnt working for you... is it just thunderbird? all other apps default to the browser you expect?
[04:10] <Random833> well, the only other app i've opened a url from is xfce terminal
[04:11] <Random833> I can't find what is making thunderbird pick firefox, since both alternatives and my xfce settings are set to chromium
[04:11] <holstein> Random833: and? does the terminal open the browser you expect?
[04:11] <Random833> yes, i just said that
[04:11] <Random833> well, i thought i said it
[04:12] <Random833> yes it does
[04:12] <holstein> Random833: can you test something else... maybe from some openoffice document... or another weblink
[04:14] <holstein> also, i find these...
[04:14] <holstein> http://hsmak.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/howto-force-thunderbird-to-open-links-in-firefox/
[04:14] <holstein> similar http://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/applications/440364-chrome-unable-change-default-browser-thunderbird.html
[04:20] <Random833> what do you mean "another weblink"?
[04:20] <Random833> it's all links - the problem isn't with the link, it's with the app the link is clicked in
[04:20] <agrester> Anyone here have any experience in installing multiple Ubuntu's on the same machine?
[04:20] <Random833> this has happened with multiple links from within the terminal and from within thunderbird
[04:21] <holstein> Random833: i was referring to opening a link from chromium... seeing if firefox opened it
[04:22] <holstein> Random833: i linked some suggestions, but if the terminal is opening them in the browser you havent chosen, then its a system issue
[04:22] <holstein> Random833: thats what im trying to determine... is it a system wide issue where you have chosen a default browser and its not working, or is it just thunderbird... if its just thunderbird, try the above fix
[04:23] <holstein> if its more than just thunderbird, we can go from there
[04:23] <holstein> agrester: you mean, several installations? sure.. like dual or triple booting.. i have a test machine with lots of them
[04:23] <holstein> !grub | agrester
[04:23] <agrester> great
[04:24] <holstein> you might want to check that out ^^ since thats really the trickiest part in my opinion
[04:24] <agrester> holstein: heres my partition setup [WindowsXP][empty][Xubuntu][swap]
[04:24] <holstein> i used to install from the alternate installers, and just not install grub. go into what i would call the "main" OS and run sudo update-grub
[04:24] <agrester> I want to install normal Ubuntu with Unity to [empty]
[04:25] <holstein> agrester: you can have unity and XFCE
[04:25] <agrester> holstein: but in the past I had massive problems with this
[04:25] <agrester> there ended up being conflicts
[04:25] <agrester> have they improved the situation now?
[04:25] <holstein> agrester: shouldnt be
[04:25] <holstein> agrester: never should have been really. unless you had PPA's
[04:26] <agrester> I had PPA's
[04:26] <agrester> its just too messy
[04:26] <agrester> So whats the best way of installing that partition?
[04:26] <holstein> agrester: if i wanted what you are suggesting, i would run the alternate installer. i would put ubuntu in the middle on an custom partition and use the existing swap.. i would then not install grub, i would just update-grub from the other one and it'll pick it up
[04:27] <agrester> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1280521/
[04:27] <holstein> i currently have several DE's installed here though... XFCE, openbox... unity
[04:27] <agrester> Here's my fdisk output
[04:27] <holstein> agrester: if you have the empty space you mentioned above, just use that
[04:28] <agrester> Ok
[04:28] <holstein> agrester: put an ext4 partition there and do it all in one like ubuntu does it, or customize from there
[04:28] <holstein> agrester: use an alternate and dont blow out the grub.. or use the normal CD and blow it out and use the grub that comes with it
[04:29] <agrester> I see, so on my current Xubuntu primary install I should only have Grub installed there, but on the second install to the empty space not install grub?
[04:29] <agrester> And when I run update-grub it will include the new '/' Ubuntu?
[04:30] <holstein> agrester: should, did for me... feel free and read up on grub though
[04:32] <agrester> ok, are there any guides to the alternate installer?
[04:34] <holstein> agrester: im sure there are somewhere.. dont lose sleep over it. the new install of grub should pick up your old ubuntu and windows as well
[04:34] <holstein> just do what is easy for you and read that page so you understand what is going on and how you can recover if need be
[04:35] <agrester> ok
[04:38] <agrester> Holstein to be exact: when I boot up the "do something else" option of the installer do the following: 1) format empty as ext4 2) select that partition and configure it to mount '/' the root 3) DO NOT select for that partition to install the "bootloader"?
[04:39] <agrester> Then 4) go back to Xubuntu and run 'sudo update-grub' and sit back...
[06:23] <ner0x> Good morning. How can I stop my X server so I may run Xorg -configure?
[06:41] <Rropicana> I have tryed all night to use the Wubi fil to install linux... The only version that works now is Ubuntu:( Tryed everything to get Xubuntu worked but it didnt. I have also tryed Lubuntu with no good resulte
[06:56] <Shirakawasuna> Are you dedicated to using wubi, Rropicana? I ask because a standard installation may work better.
[07:37] <[deXter]> Hey
[07:37] <[deXter]> *Hi all
[07:58] <[deXter]> Does anyone know of a book - printed or electronic - for Xubuntu?
[07:58] <[deXter]> Aimed at novices, mind you.
[07:58] <apm1> [deXter], the official ubuntu book , shall cover that ?
[07:59] <[deXter]> nope
[07:59] <[deXter]> apm1, the novice in mind (my Dad) would get confused between ubuntu's unity and XFCE :P
[07:59] <[deXter]> He's pretty new to computers
[08:00] <apm1> [deXter], man , as you are aware there is no noobs's guide to *nix land in our galaxy ;)
[08:00] <[deXter]> I know, I know. :(
[08:01] <[deXter]> I already taught him all the basic operations but he lives in a different country and wants to have like a proper book for reference.
[08:01] <apm1> [deXter], introduce thy father to the holy jargon files , and make a knight(haker) out of him :p
[08:48] <Kingsy> anyone just randomly been removed from sudoers and su fails to authenticate?
[08:48] <Kingsy> happened randomly one morning
[08:49] <apm1> Kingsy, it happend to me XD
[08:49] <Sysi> sounds like you're confusing su and sudo
[08:50] <Kingsy> Sysi: both don't work
[08:50] <Kingsy> apm1: really??? how did you fix it?
[08:50] <apm1> Kingsy, add yourself again to sudoers  and then reboot :)
[08:51] <Kingsy> apm1: how? su doesnt work..
[08:51] <Kingsy> visudo: /etc/sudoers: Permission denied
[08:51] <apm1> but that was debian squezze, should work on xubuntu too :)
[08:51] <apm1> i hope the root passwords still works ?
[08:51] <Kingsy> apm1: like I said, I cant login using su
[08:52] <Kingsy> apm1: visudo says that ^^
[08:52] <Sysi> Kingsy: select failsafe from grub menu, you can get there by holding shift while/before booting
[08:52] <Kingsy> I don't know what else to try..
[08:53] <Kingsy> someone in #linux recommended booting from a livecd so I am downloading one of them now
[08:54] <Kingsy> Sysi: the failsafe?
[08:55] <Sysi> IDK what's the actual name, "the other option in grub menu"
[08:55] <apm1> rescue ?
[08:56] <Kingsy> Sysi: what I mean is, what does it do? boot into xubuntu? or a tty? or?
[08:56] <Sysi> you can select what to do, one option is root terminal
[08:56] <Kingsy> ahhh cool..
[08:56] <Kingsy> so I could visudo from there
[08:56] <Kingsy> I am gonna reboot then :)
[09:02] <Kingsy> Sysi: ok, got into a root terminal
[09:03] <Kingsy> su returned nothing.. the username was root
[09:03] <Kingsy> visudo said "This is a read only filesystem" or something along those lines
[09:03] <Kingsy> so it still didnt work
[09:05] <flegu> what are you trying to do?
[09:06] <Kingsy> flegu: one morning, booted up and my user, although I am able to login to the system.. is no longer a sudoer,   su fails to authenticate and using the recovery root terminal I still cant use visudo as I mentioned above
[09:06] <Kingsy> flegu: basically I am just trying to get root privs back
[09:06] <Kingsy> I have no idea what happened.. but like I said, it just "did" this one morning
[09:07] <flegu> Whoa, sounds scary :O
[09:07] <apm1> Kingsy, come , abandon the buntus and live with us in squezze land :)
[09:08] <Kingsy> flegu: yeah, can you recommend anything?
[09:08] <Kingsy> apm1: that doesnt really help my problem
[09:09] <apm1> Kingsy, well , it certainly does , reinstalling will give you your root privliges back ;)
[09:09] <flegu> Kingsy, not really. I thought you just wanted to open something with root privlidges so I was about to suggest sudoing :D
[09:09] <Kingsy> apm1: agreed but I really didnt want to re-install if I could help it
[09:09] <flegu> and you can't login as root?
[09:10] <Kingsy> no
[09:10] <Kingsy> like I said, it errors even from a root terminal from grub#
[09:10] <Kingsy> something about a read only file system
[09:10] <flegu> so you can't edit the sudoers file... that sucks
[09:11] <Kingsy> yep
[09:49] <Kingsy> well I got that fixed through a livecd
[09:56] <Kingsy> btw I wanted to ask before.. what is the hell is sqeeeeze or whatever was said ealier ?
[11:04] <Kingsy> apm1: you around?
[11:04] <apm1> yup
[11:04] <Kingsy> what were you talking about before .. leaving *ubuntu and going to sqeeeze or something? I think you said "sqeeze"
[11:04] <Kingsy> but I cant really remember..
[11:04] <Kingsy> just curious
[11:05] <apm1> yes i meant moving to debian 6.0.6 , as i have :)
[11:05] <Kingsy> so how come your still hanging in here? if you don't use the distro I mean
[11:05] <apm1> because i love the community , right now i am facing a hardware issue and need some help :p
[11:06] <Kingsy> ah... so what made you move?
[11:06] <apm1> the rocksolid stability compared to the buntus :)
[11:06] <Kingsy> I find xubuntu is alright.. nowhere near the bloat that ubuntu carries.. and its xfce so you don't have the gnome crap
[11:06] <apm1> imho gnome2 ain't crap
[11:06] <nicekiwi> hey, Ive installed the Nvidia drivers in xubuntu 12.10 and rebooted and ive lost all window borders and themes etc. But they work fine in the guest account. How can I fix this?
[11:06] <Kingsy> I hate it..
[11:07] <Kingsy> personal preference of course
[11:07] <apm1> and debian7 wheezy will have xfce as the default desktop :)
[11:07] <nicekiwi> *MATE :P
[11:07] <Kingsy> ah cool
[11:07] <Kingsy> yeah xfce is the way to go for sure.. tis fast and nice imo
[11:08] <apm1> has anyone ever uncoverd a modem port on a thinkpad before ?
[11:08] <nicekiwi> how do I get root control on guest mode?
[11:09] <apm1> nicekiwi, su
[11:09] <nicekiwi> apm1, that does not work, says Authentication Failure (And i  KNOW my password is correct)
[11:10] <apm1> Kingsy, looks like your problem is now a bug :p
[11:10] <nicekiwi> apm1, uncovered?
[11:10] <Kingsy> apm1: how so?
[11:10] <Kingsy> I fixed it btw
[11:11] <apm1> nicekiwi, the modem port is coverd by somesorta hard plastic
[11:11] <Mathias> burn it
[11:11] <nicekiwi> apm1, on my thinkpad the modem port is naturall uncovered
[11:12] <apm1> nicekiwi, naturally as in ?
[11:12] <nicekiwi> apm1, as in, it came like that.
[11:12] <apm1> Mathias, then why do i have something shove up the modem port ? XD
[11:13] <Mathias> shoving stuff up there is unhealthy
[11:13] <apm1> does anyone know a thinkpad proctologist here ?
[11:15] <apm1> Mathias, i didn't shove anything in it , lenovo did it at the factory XD
[11:26] <Kingsy> apm1: what do you mean the problem is a bug? someone has submitted a bug report?
[11:26] <TheSheep> can you guys take it to #hardware or wherever?
[11:27] <apm1> we already took it to offtopic
[11:27] <TheSheep> cool, thanks
[13:05] <xubuntu052> hi! my new xubuntu user, thanks
[13:06] <baizon> hi
[13:06] <xubuntu052> xubuntu fast true ?
[13:07] <baizon> yes
[13:07] <torax> short answer yes
[13:08] <xubuntu052> windows enough :)
[13:09] <Kingsy> windows enough?
[13:09] <xubuntu052> microsoft windows :)
[13:11] <frank-man> hi guys, where is on 12.10 the xorg.conf ?
[13:13] <Sysi> it hasn't been in default installation in years, you create one with sudo Xorg -configure after stopping xserver
[13:15] <frank-man> Sysi, thx
[13:40] <Industrial> If I install a window manager like i3 (tiling windo manager) then my keyboard settings that I made in xfce are not reflected.  How do I get this to work with 1 keypress systemwide?
[13:42] <Sysi> Industrial: are you using it with xfce or as separate session?
[13:44] <Industrial> as a separate session. Iḿ not sure I'd like to use it WITH xfce (though certainly an option to explore, id have to turn off workspaces in xfce etc?)
[13:45] <Sysi> workspace settings are part of window manager
[13:46] <Sysi> you don't have xfce settings because you're not using xfce session, you need to find out how to apply them in i3 session
[13:48] <Industrial> Well, somehow the system (without xfce) is setting the keyboard layout aswell, I was hoping I could just change that.
[13:59] <TheSheep> Industrial: sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[14:11] <v1adimir> guys I can't seem to find why tracepath isn't working ( http://paste.ubuntu.com/1281129/ ) and I'm incompetent to make a new version to try ( http://www.skbuff.net/iputils/ ) any help? :)
[14:16] <v1adimir> is it my router? confusing because i can ping.. traceroute used to work to some hosts before I wiped the system clean yesterday & now nada http://paste.ubuntu.com/1281162/
[14:26] <baizon> try to ping your router
[14:26] <v1adimir> baizon: i can ping it and traceroute/tracepath to it
[14:26] <baizon> check your firewall config
[14:27] <v1adimir> opening ports on it works to, never had a problem
[14:27] <v1adimir> sudo ufw disable makes no diff
[14:35] <baizon> i mean the firewall on your router
[14:39] <v1adimir> maybe i will somehow manage to build it from http://www.skbuff.net/iputils/ and i'll try a direct connection before that :\
[14:39] <v1adimir> tnx baizon
[14:51] <xubuntu977> hi world
[14:52] <xubuntu977> i'm testing for live cd xubuntu 12.10
[14:52] <xubuntu977> it is good
[14:52] <baizon> welcome
[14:52] <xubuntu977> very very speed
[14:53] <GridCube> :)
[16:35] <john_rambo> how to create desktop shortcuts ?
[16:39] <GridCube> for what?
[16:40] <john_rambo> GridCube, Firefox & etc
[16:40] <GridCube> drag the entry on the main menu bar and drop it where you want it
[16:40] <Sysi> drag and drop from menu
[16:41] <john_rambo> Got it. Thanks
[17:30] <lawe> Why does Ubuntu have to make a whole new distro just to use a different desktop enviroment?
[17:31] <GridCube> ?
[17:31] <Sysi> !offtopic
[17:31] <lawe> This is kinda on topic.
[17:32] <lawe> Why does Xubuntu exist?
[17:32] <GridCube> !derivative
[17:32] <GridCube> !derivatives
[17:32] <Sysi> !flavor
[17:32] <martinphone> i need to dowload a full webpage as a jpg file, but it is a protected one, I mean Its a BfA page (Bundesagentür für Arbeit), thats the german employment service and to access to it I had to write a name and password
[17:32] <martinphone> Shutter wont do the trick, can you help me out?
[17:32] <GridCube> flavor is it
[17:33] <holstein> martinphone: i would just take a screenshot
[17:33] <Sysi> lawe: xubuntu isn't really different distro than ubuntu, it's just different installation disk
[17:33] <GridCube> martinphone, there are firefox addons for that kind of stuff
[17:33] <GridCube> or print it to pdf
[17:33] <martinphone> holstein, its a large large page
[17:33] <holstein> martinphone: you could take several and edit them together
[17:34] <martinphone> how do I print to pdf with ff?
[17:34] <lawe> well what happens when I want to install KDE? Xubuntu would no longer be Xubuntu
[17:34] <Sysi> it would be xubuntu with kde installed, quite close to kde
[17:34] <TheSheep> lawe: it's all one distribution, just different defaults
[17:36] <holstein> martinphone: i usually open what i want in libre/open office and export to pdf after formatting the way i want
[17:37] <martinphone> o...
[17:38] <holstein> any pdf printer system wide will be used by ff... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=140815 for example.. not sure how current that info is
[17:39] <GridCube> martinphone, i go to >file >print and choose as pdf
[17:39] <KidDeath10k> Why does Chrome hate Xubuntu? It refuses to save as the default browser. :(
[17:40] <Sysi> it tries to save to wrong place, just tell it to stop nagging and use setting dialog of xubuntu
[17:40] <KidDeath10k> Then again, it could be VirtualBox being silly because (although I fixed it) it refused to save my window resolution :|
[17:40] <holstein> KidDeath10k: i have chrome by setting it in the terminal
[17:41] <KidDeath10k> command please?
[17:41] <KidDeath10k> and when I say window, I mean screen ;o
[17:42] <holstein> sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[17:43] <KidDeath10k> There is only one alternative in link group x-www-browser: /usr/bin/google-chrome
[17:43] <KidDeath10k> Nothing to configure.
[17:43] <KidDeath10k> Yet, when I restart the VM. It's like "Nope. Sorry, gotta tell me again bro."
[17:43] <Sysi> chrome lies
[17:44] <KidDeath10k> It's better than Firefox by far though.
[17:44] <KidDeath10k> I used to love love love Firefox, now they've simply gone down hill as of late.
[17:44] <holstein> KidDeath10k: works for me... what is opening? ff?
[17:44] <KidDeath10k> It just opens a dialogue saying.. one sec.
[17:44] <Sysi> 666
[17:45] <KidDeath10k> Derp, it wants to work now because I've already told it 1000 times what to use. :S
[17:45] <KidDeath10k> but if I restart the VM now, i'll do the same thing.
[17:45] <KidDeath10k> I had to edit the xorg file to fix the screen resolution. I'd save it using the GUI, restart the VM then it goes back to 800x600 ._.
[17:46] <KidDeath10k> but that's fixed.
[17:47] <KidDeath10k> Now it displays the VM in a wonderful 1920x1080 resolution at all times on one of my screens.
[17:48] <martinphone> thx GridCube , the pdf thing worked
[17:48] <GridCube> :P good
[17:48] <KidDeath10k> Also, where in the world do you all get these nifty commands from? Constant googling or is there some sort of book I've missed completely?
[17:48] <GridCube> KidDeath10k, do you have the vbox extras installed?
[17:49] <KidDeath10k> Yes, I do.
[17:49] <KidDeath10k> Which, speaking of that I have no scroll wheel support. :S
[17:49] <GridCube> KidDeath10k, there is two tools on your system, they are called man and info
[17:49] <KidDeath10k> Put it to the man to give you some info?
[17:50] <Sysi> google, askubuntu, ubuntu wiki and locally there's apropos
[17:51] <KidDeath10k> You know, believe it or not - as much as I love wiki's and online documentation. Nothing beats the physical book. Just got around to picking up "Unix and LINUX System Administration Handbook, 4th Edition"
[17:51] <baizon> books are for old people :D
[17:52] <KidDeath10k> I love books, my good sir.
[17:52] <KidDeath10k> because PDFs can be lost
[17:52] <KidDeath10k> File corruption, computer being stolen etc.
[17:52] <baizon> KidDeath10k: Cloud (Ubuntu One) will fix it ;)
[17:52] <KidDeath10k> But is not a single a soul in the world going to steal a book.
[17:53] <KidDeath10k> Yeah, but I have at least 600+ GB of data to back up ;)
[17:53] <baizon> but its an offtopic, so if you like to talk feel free to join #xubuntu-offtopic
[17:53] <KidDeath10k> Yeah, sorry, back to my main issue then
[17:53] <GridCube> KidDeath10k, ever heard of fires? like the pompeii ones? what if pompeii had a backup server on rome?
[17:53] <KidDeath10k> How do I fix my scroll wheel?
[17:53] <Sysi> KidDeath10k: do you have guest additions installed?
[17:54] <KidDeath10k> Yes, I do.
[17:54] <Sysi> correct version?
[17:54] <KidDeath10k> Fresh install of VirtualBox and Xubuntu, so I assume yes?
[17:54] <KidDeath10k> I could be wrong.
[17:56] <genii-around> There are some packages which if you install them want to pull in X for some reason. Like ffmpeg
[18:09] <KidDeath10k> PRAISE THE NINE DIVINE. THE SCROLL WHEEL NOW WORKS.
[18:09] <baizon> nice to hear
[18:10] <blackgatonegro> have you guys tried play on linux? I heard it makes wine a piece of cake
[18:10] <GridCube> sometimes it might
[18:10] <blackgatonegro> I would, but I still think wine is for whiners, but then, I do emulate android so...
[18:11] <GridCube> there are very good programs that only work on windows, like irfanview or notepad++
[18:12] <blackgatonegro> notepad++ = Gedit, bluefish
[18:12] <GridCube> not really
[18:12] <blackgatonegro> irfanview, gthumb  and like a dozen more
[18:12] <blackgatonegro> yes really
[18:12] <GridCube> not really, no
[18:12] <GridCube> :D
[18:12] <blackgatonegro> bluefish is awesome
[18:12] <GridCube> !ot
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[18:52] <fatpudding> BROH
[18:52] <fatpudding> need priv...
[18:53] <TheSheep> fatpudding: excuse me?
[18:54] <fatpudding> rookie
[18:59] <Calysonia> Hey all!
[19:01] <baizon> welcome fellow xubuntu user
[19:02] <Calysonia> I just got a Macbook Pro, and I'm curious as to how compatible it'll be. As in, multitouch and whatnot working so that I can right click and whatnot.
[19:03] <baizon> Calysonia: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro
[19:03] <Calysonia> Hero of the day right here! thank you!
[19:58] <levith> hi
[20:35] <john_rambo> When I amtrying to modify network connections via network manager Xubuntu is not asking for password is this normal ? It used to ask for password before iirc
[20:37] <Sysi> it doesn't ask for password unless you choose "use for all users"
[20:40] <john_rambo> Sysi, available for all users is selected
[20:41] <Sysi> if you were asked for password less than 15 mins ago, it won't be asked again
[20:42] <john_rambo> Sysi, No I didnt enter my password in this session & I also did sudo -k in run
[21:18] <BitPuffin> Hey guys, here is a little bug report thing. Please change it so that /usr/share/gvfs/mounts/network.mount has AutoMount to false by default. It is what causes the annoying delay when launching Thunar. Basically Thunar checks the network when launching and since it isn't concurrent it won't show up until the check finishes. I think it will make a lot of users happy, so be sure to have it in 12.10! The delay only happens if you cli
[21:18] <BitPuffin> ck network now, and that's understandable. You don't need for it to be automatic
[21:18] <BitPuffin> cheers
[21:19] <BitPuffin> Hopefully there's a dev in here
[21:25] <TheSheep> !bugs | BitPuffin
[21:29] <kcxzero> That bug has already been reported
[21:32] <kcxzero> also, it doesn't have to do with xubuntu I believe. It's Thunar's problem. Last I checked it wasn't "high priority" which I believe it should be. It's quite a turn off if you don't know the fix.
[21:32] <BitPuffin> Yeah I found it
[21:32] <BitPuffin> and commented to push it up a bit
[21:32] <kcxzero> nice
[21:33] <BitPuffin> it should be very high priority when it's such an easy fix
[21:33] <BitPuffin> Although it could be a good idea for the Thunar guys to make the network searching threaded
[21:33] <BitPuffin> But anyways, xubuntu could update the packaging and send it upstream :)
[21:34] <kcxzero> I think technically it would be considered a workaround since it does not actually fix it?
[21:34] <kcxzero> like you were saying if you click network you still have to wait
[21:34] <BitPuffin> kcxzero, Yeah, so really it needs to be threaded
[21:35] <kcxzero> true
[21:35] <BitPuffin> hm
[21:35] <BitPuffin> I could fix that
[21:35] <BitPuffin> unless it is already fixed
[21:35] <BitPuffin> and if I have time lol
[21:37] <kcxzero> do it lol
[21:41] <BitPuffin> should be simple enough
[21:41] <BitPuffin> it is just C
[21:42] <BitPuffin> and C11 is pretty widely supported so threading isn't an issue :)
[21:42] <kcxzero> I don't know C, so I'm out haha.
[21:42] <BitPuffin> C is pretty simple
[21:43] <BitPuffin> it just looks like balls
[22:27] <ner0x> How can I stop moving the moving of a window from going to another desktop?
[22:28] <ner0x> As in, pushing it too far to the edge causes it to go to desktop 3/4, etc.
[22:51] <xubuntu244> doo doo dah... waiting for the installer to run....
[23:29] <xubuntu995> hello
[23:32] <GridCube> hi
[23:38] <KidDeath10k> Hola.
[23:38] <GridCube> hola KidDeath10k :)
[23:38] <GridCube> !hi | KidDeath10k
[23:53] <ner0x> Anyone using xfce know how to turn off the "if I move the window too close to the edge it switches desktops" feature?
[23:53] <xubuntu107> Hello, i have  a problem with  xubuntu interface and i cant restore to the original interface from after installation
[23:54] <ochosi> ner0x: yes, go to settings > window-manager settings > advanced > "wrap workspaces when dragging a window off the screen"
[23:55] <ner0x> ochosi++ # thank you, that was very bothersome.
[23:55] <ochosi> ner0x: np
[23:56] <xubuntu107> yes the option was choice, but the dick bar inst like the original the icons has lost and the tha
[23:56] <xubuntu107> task bar lose some icons like sound, lan, and battery


[06:20] <Kilos> morning all
[06:43] <Squirm> morning Kilos
[06:43] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[06:59] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday
[07:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all :)
[07:27] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[08:52] <Squirm> just found out my Facebook profile has been cloned
[08:52] <Squirm> makes me wonder how they do it
[08:53] <trender> nothing digital is secure or sacred
[08:53] <trender> its all just a fat waste of time
[08:57] <Squirm> so I had a look at all my privacy settings
[08:57] <Squirm> I can't find anything to block the public from viewing my profile
[08:57] <Squirm> I always put it down to peoples tendency towards idiocy :P
[08:57] <Squirm> bad privacy settings
[08:57] <Squirm> accepting stupid app requests
[08:58] <Squirm> but there is nothing, they just cloned my profile using freely available info
[08:58] <Squirm> and there's nothing I can do about it
[08:58] <Squirm> (least until a friend with an invite sends me the suckers Facebook link)
[09:10] <trender> facebook is a waste of time
[09:12] <trender> avoid social media it always ends badly
[09:13] <trender> we dont pay much for food at all now
[09:13] <trender> oops sorry
[09:13] <trender> wrong window
[09:13] <trender> hehe
[09:45] <Kilos> Squirm, so are there 2 of you there now
[09:46] <Squirm> you all should be scared
[09:46] <Squirm> :P
[09:46] <Kilos> lol
[09:48] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[09:49] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[09:49] <Kilos> lol
[09:50] <magespawn> i think my adsl router is messing around, maybe somthing else though
[09:51] <Kilos> ai!
[09:52] <magespawn> they get old it happens
[10:10] <magespawn> i see superfly was here last night
[10:11] <Kilos> yeah
[10:11] <Kilos> you werent
[10:11] <magespawn> did not say much though
[10:11] <Kilos> nope must be busy again
[10:12] <magespawn> no i was helping friends out setting up a network share between their windows laptops and mac desktops
[10:12] <Kilos> ah
[10:41] <confluency> Squirm: email Facebook support and report the issue. They should shut down the cloned account. I don't know what the procedure is, but I assume they'll be able to tell that your real account has identical info and is older.
[10:42] <Squirm> confluency: I will
[10:42] <confluency> Also, there should be an option to make your profile visible only to friends or friends of friends rather than everyone.
[10:42] <Squirm> I just want to get the URL of the clone
[10:43] <confluency> Although you might want to wait until after the dupe account is deleted.
[10:43] <Squirm> send that along with the message
[10:44] <Squirm> but I'm not worried
[10:44] <Squirm> if someone is stupid enough to send me money without confirming it's me
[10:44]  * Squirm shrugs
[10:45] <Squirm> besides, all the people that would send me money, I work with :P
[10:45] <Kilos> hi digigram
[10:46] <digigram> hey Oom Kilos
[10:47] <digigram> random question... Does anyone know of a good and free shell server? (Yeah good and free can go together, we all use Ubuntu)
[11:00] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn
[11:00] <nlsthzn> alo uncle Kilos :)
[11:01] <Squirm> uh
[11:01] <nlsthzn> just back from yet another mad dash to the big city... visa secured...
[11:01] <Squirm> idk if good and free can go together
[11:01] <nlsthzn> now it is all systems go :D
[11:02] <Squirm> I used to know, but haven't seen any in ages
[11:02] <Kilos> cool nlsthzn
[11:27] <Kilos> digigram, have you googled?
[11:27] <Kilos> http://shells.red-pill.eu/
[11:28] <Kilos> http://freeshells.fewona.net/
[11:28] <digigram> yes Kilos I have, I have also tried all of the spam connected with the shells on those sites
[11:29] <Kilos> eish
[11:29] <digigram> I'm trying fewona, waiting for confirmation
[11:42] <digigram> booya found one
[11:42] <digigram> thanx
[11:42] <magespawn> digigram: what exactly are free shells? free shell servers?
 random question... Does anyone know of a good and free shell server? (Yeah good and free can go together, we all use Ubuntu) <-- yeah free shell servers
[11:43] <magespawn> but hosted on the net
[11:43] <Kilos> the fewona one digigram ?
[11:44] <digigram> yes magespawn a hosted one
[11:44] <digigram> Kilos shell.cjb.net
[11:44] <digigram> I'm using one at alwaysdata.com but I needed a second one to share some load
[11:47] <magespawn> why not something like EC2?
[11:50] <digigram> not familiar with that?
[11:50] <digigram> oh amazon
[11:50] <digigram> is there a free version?\
[11:51] <digigram> mmm, 750 hours per month for a year. Sounds reasonable
[12:08] <magespawn> thats what i though
[12:10] <magespawn> bbl
[12:10] <Kilos> k
[12:16] <N8Wulf> Ola
[12:18] <N8Wulf> Day 6 on Kubuntu.... Mmmmmm Lovin it...
[12:20] <Kilos> hi N8Wulf
[12:20] <N8Wulf> How you Mr?
[12:20] <Kilos> good ty and you
[12:30] <N8Wulf> good ty, tired of sitting at hospital waiting for doctors to start operating on my Mom-in-law
[12:30] <N8Wulf> been sitting here since 6am, she had to be here at 6h30... still not gone into theater
[12:30] <N8Wulf> but at least I've been able to install and configure my Virtualbox
[12:30] <N8Wulf> and Xmind
[12:31] <N8Wulf> and install thunderbird
[12:31] <N8Wulf> and spent R400 on coffees already at Dulce
[12:31] <N8Wulf> and you? what yuou up to?
[12:32] <N8Wulf> your polipo going strong? noticed any difference?
[12:33] <charl> good afternoon
[12:33] <charl> hi N8Wulf
[12:33] <Kilos> hi charl
[12:34] <charl> hi Kilos
[12:34] <Kilos> dont browse much so polipo wont have much to do here
[12:35] <charl> wow the apache issue tracker has been down now for hours
[12:35] <charl> wonder what went wrong
[12:35] <Trixar_za> lol
[12:35] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za
[12:35] <Trixar_za> Sorry, but a web server's bug tracker is down
[12:35] <Trixar_za> That's hilarious for some reason
[12:36] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[12:36] <charl> Trixar_za: apache is not a web server, it's a foundation
[12:36] <charl> they do have a popular webserver, the apache httpd, though
[12:37] <Trixar_za> They used to only do the httpd until they acquired OpenOffice. To my knowledge anyway :/
[12:38] <charl> definitely not, according to the wikipedia they only acquired openoffice as of june 2011
[12:40] <Trixar_za> Also if I haven't mentioned it yet, I made Windows 3.1x run in DosBox because I found out you could.
[12:41] <Kilos> lol
[12:41] <Trixar_za> I did discover that there are a bunch of people around that still run Win 3.1x on ancient machines. They even created software like Calmira for it, which is a 16 bit Delphi app that emulates Windows 95's interface
[12:42] <N8Wulf> lol
[12:43] <Kilos> you bored Trixar_za ?
[12:43] <N8Wulf> sounds like installing ubuntu then loading a Windows 7 theme so it will look the same...
[12:43] <Trixar_za> Makes sense if you consider that you can run it on systems that can only handle a terminal based linux
[12:43] <Kilos> N8Wulf, Trixar_za uses another os
[12:43] <Kilos> slitaz or something
[12:44] <N8Wulf> ah... so he's like me, here for the Coffee
[12:44] <Kilos> hehe
[12:44] <N8Wulf> well I'm at Dulce in any event...
[12:44] <inetpro> Trixar_za: The Apache Software Foundation provides support for the Apache community of open-source software projects, which provide software products for the public good
[12:44] <inetpro> The ASF is made up of over 100 top level projects that cover a wide range of technologies.
[12:44] <Kilos> Trixar_za, wont tinycorelinux work there even
[12:45] <Kilos> ohi inetpro
[12:45] <N8Wulf> at least they just brought me a Complimentary Cupa Joe
[12:45] <Trixar_za> And the Windows install is about 40MB with Video for Windows, Calmira, Sound Blaster Drivers and S3 Video Drivers. I also installed Win32s, WinG and Installed Quicktime.
[12:45] <inetpro> good morning Kilos
[12:45] <inetpro> oh and hi everyone else
[12:45] <Trixar_za> Kilos: Probably not. These people still run it on 386 machines
[12:46] <N8Wulf> Hi inetpro
[12:46] <Kilos> wow its very basic
[12:46] <Trixar_za> You do get extreme minimalists like that.  The Win 3.1x in DosBox is a trick you can use to do that.
[12:59] <charl> Trixar_za: oh wait, you can run dosbox on windows as well? i only tried it on linux
[12:59] <Trixar_za> Like Sierra's Shivers which I used the new installer (from Sierra's site) to turn my CD into a CD-less version
[13:00] <charl> can't say i know that one
[13:00] <Trixar_za> Yeah. And if a dosbox.conf is in the same directory with Linux, it uses that conf instead. With the Windows Version you have to put the DosBox.exe in the same directory with the SDL.dll and SDL_Net.dll files
[13:01] <charl> this was the other one i used to play when i was a kid: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorillas_%28video_game%29
[13:02] <Trixar_za> I have a bunch of games you can't play on 64bit Windows or Non-Pro Windows 7 versions
[13:02] <charl> there were more but i can't recall what they were called, played them on an intel 80188 with a monochrome screen
[13:02] <Trixar_za> Sierra has a found a way around this by making installers that apply all the patches and makes it dosbox ready
[13:03] <Trixar_za> It's pretty cool. They have also made ScummVM ready installers too
[13:06] <Trixar_za> charl: You must have had an awesome childhood
[13:07] <charl> Trixar_za: how so?
[13:08] <Trixar_za> You got to play on a Commodore64
[13:10] <charl> Trixar_za: not at all, never owned a commodore
[13:11] <charl> i only ever owned intel-based architecture (including amd)
[13:15] <N8Wulf> nostalgic how growing up with a C64 is seen as reason to a awesome childhood... I played Snakes on Dos 6.22 if it counts for anything
[13:15] <Trixar_za> The QBasic version?
[13:17] <charl> oh i had a cellphone based on arm once, now that i think of it, so i have to correct myself lol
[13:17] <charl> heh i used to program a bit in qbasic in the 90s
[13:17] <charl> just as a hobby
[13:17] <charl> hated it though
[13:18] <Trixar_za> http://www.win31.de/esoft.htm
[13:18] <Trixar_za> Check how small Java SDK was
[13:18] <Trixar_za> :P
[13:20] <charl> first versions of java i used was about 16mb
[13:20] <Squirm> lo Trixar_za
[13:20] <charl> hi Squirm
[13:20] <Trixar_za> lo Squirm
[13:20] <Squirm> hey ChanServ
[13:20] <Squirm> charl:
[13:20] <charl> lol
[13:21] <charl> it happens
[13:26] <charl> i'm off
[13:26] <charl> have a good evening all !
[13:50] <magespawn> looks like i missed all the interesting converation
[13:51] <magespawn> conversation
[13:51] <Kilos> lol
[14:25] <nlsthzn> so SA is getting ID cards now?
[14:34] <trender> anybody know how to get the blackberry setting to make the internet browser graft ???
[14:39]  * nlsthzn shudders
[14:42] <confluency> With luck, they'll be less forgeable than ID books.
[15:00] <nlsthzn> sure... like the ever changing passports :/
[15:24] <magespawn> it is not too hard to forge anything when you start with a birth certificate
[15:43] <magespawn> later all
[19:10] <Kilos> night all . sleep tight


[16:45] <cmaloney> Morning
[16:54] <_stink_> yo
[17:38] <rick_h> afternoon
[18:08] <gamerchick02> howdy
[18:09] <gamerchick02> picked up a hdmi to display port connector so i can use the xps as a main right now while my desktop is dead
[18:09] <gamerchick02> i can use my big monitor and everything. this is great
[18:10] <cmaloney> nice
[18:10] <gamerchick02> yeah
[18:11] <gamerchick02> the desktop being dead makes me sad but being able to use my good board and mouse make me happy
[18:59] <gamerchick02> https://gamerchick02.tumblr.com/post/158821073560/temporary-workspace-computer-is-my-xps-13-powered
[18:59] <gamerchick02> here's the picture.
[19:06] <cmaloney> Nice.
[19:07] <gamerchick02> thanks!
[19:07] <gamerchick02> not ideal, but better.
[19:08] <gamerchick02> and i have my speakers hooked up so i can hear music without the tinny-ness of the laptop ones.


[16:13] <Walex> wondering if something is wrong with Launchpad: I have registered, enabled SSH access, and cannot 'push', it simply hangs after SSH login.
[16:13] <Walex> also if I try 'bzr branch lp:bzr' SSH hangs the same way.
[16:22] <cjwatson> Walex: Can you run 'ssh -vvv bazaar.launchpad.net', put the output on paste.ubuntu.com, and give us the resulting link?
[16:23] <cjwatson> (I'm expecting that to fail, since bazaar.launchpad.net doesn't support ordinary shells, but exactly how it fails should be informative.)
[16:39] <Walex> looking
[16:40] <Walex> ha!
[16:41] <cjwatson> (my bet is mismatched local/remote usernames which you'll need to configure)
[16:41] <Walex> https://paste.ubuntu.com/26307329/
[16:42] <Walex> looks like 'ed25519'
[16:43] <Walex> it hangs after offering that key.
[16:43] <Walex> which however is accepted when registering it...
[16:44] <Walex> I'll try again with RSA key
[16:46] <cjwatson> Walex: We don't support ed25519 yet
[16:46] <cjwatson> (I thought it was rejected on registration too; evidently not)
[16:46] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1282220 said it was rejected
[16:46] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/907675 suggests it too
[16:47] <cjwatson> anyway, that last bug has the full story
[16:47] <Walex> ahhhhhhhh
[16:48] <Walex> oh welll.
[16:48] <Walex> cjwatson: thanks for the pointers
[16:50] <cjwatson> np.  the situation is unfortunate but tough to make much progress on ...
[16:51] <Walex> Ahhh it gets funnier. I added the RSA key... and now my profile has instead of the ED25519 and RSA keys two RSA keys with the same content.
[16:51] <Walex> Ah no I am describing things incorrectly...
[16:56] <Walex> As long as there is an ED25519 key available (from 'ssh-agent') the connection hangs.
[16:57] <Walex> even if there is no ED25519 key registered for my user.
[16:57] <cjwatson> Walex: Right, you'll need to use IdentitiesOnly and IdentityFile in ~/.ssh/config for that host
[16:58] <cjwatson> Might as well do it for all of bazaar.launchpad.net git.launchpad.net upload.ubuntu.com ppa.launchpad.net
[16:58] <Walex> cjwatson: yes[Cm, it is a bit sad :-)
[17:04] <Walex> yes, created a "stanza" with those names and just the RSA key and that works file. Oh well.
[17:09] <cjwatson> I should be able to get the Twisted 16.5.0 upgrade done relatively soon, but as noted in that bug there's still upstream work to do.
[17:10] <Walex> which suffix to use for Markdown files?
[17:13] <Walex> this file for example gets colored as C++ (probably) not as Markdown or rendered: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-pqm-team/markdown/stable/view/head:/README.md
[17:17] <Walex> cjwatson: dependencies, packages, transitions, ... all my day goes into that. :-)
[17:17] <cjwatson> yeah, quite
[17:18] <cjwatson> it is possible loggerhead is too ancient to understand markdown properly
[17:18] <cjwatson> though it's pygments, it shouldn't be that terrible
[17:19] <Walex> system administration: not just wild parties in exotic locations, loose women and fast cars, sometimes one had to deal with packages, versions, updgrades :-)
[17:20] <cjwatson> oh, hmm, conceivably we need to specifically install a lexer
[17:20] <cjwatson> could you file a bug?  .md is common enough that we really ought to just get it right
[17:21] <Walex> cjwatson: about to do two: one to put a warn about 'ed25519' keys for the time being, the other about markdown.
[17:24] <cjwatson> looks like we just need to upgrade pygments
[17:30] <Walex> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1740899
[17:33] <Walex> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1740903
[17:44] <Walex> man thanks for the assistance.
[19:50] <hemu> Hi! Sorry this must've been discussed before, but is there some problems with amd64 builders of Launchpad? All have been "Cleaning" for multiple hours and doesn't take new builds. amd64 queue is now 18655 (20 hours)
[20:04] <wgrant> hemu: That queue is mostly just the test rebuild, but we're working on the issue that showed up about an hour ago.
[20:06] <acheronuk> wgrant: is that the x86 builders being borked? sorry, I just switched to a machine with no IRC backlog available
[20:06] <wgrant> acheronuk: Yep
[20:07] <acheronuk> cool. thanks for being on it :)
[20:15] <hemu> thanks for the information :)
[21:56] <wgrant> The x86 (non-rebuild) backlog has just about cleared.
[22:16] <acheronuk> wgrant: thank you :)


[04:40] <Unit193> daughertyh9008: Hello, anything we can do for you this fine evening?
[05:40] <Unit193> daughertyh9008: This channel has a no-idling policy, if there's nothing you need from us at this time we'd like to request that you part.
[18:40] <hggdh> @login
[18:40] <hggdh> @btlogin
[20:12] <Unit193> hggdh: AH thanks, was going to do that a bit later.
[20:42] <hggdh> Unit193: I thought so but, since I was already dealing with the #ubuntu-mir redirect, I had a peek at -ops, saw it, and...
[20:45] <Unit193> hggdh: As in, I forgot last night.
[21:40] <hggdh> :-)


[21:39] <FrederickJHome> Hi! The ps2 mice on my two client machines are not working but they were before. Any ideas?
[22:18] <FrederickJHome> xk


[03:06] <kondor1001> hi
[03:07] <kondor1001> got an old laptop today,  seems like a good idea to use it for testing alpha,  is the current installer working?
[03:07] <holstein> kondor1001: try it
[03:07] <kondor1001> good idea
[03:10] <Unit193> Don't forget to report your results to the iso tracker.
[03:10] <kondor1001> 20140220 i386 on the way
[03:11] <kondor1001> will do, will need to read up how
[03:12] <holstein> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[03:17] <ganglere> Unfortunately I missed out on the milestone tests. I just did an upgrade on my workstation with the daily iso and ran into this: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/YE06Haj-C7GrL8kWDkpAT9nbGQ8g2tdSlseU0GiYjsU=w1598-h900
[03:17] <ganglere> A clean install seamed to work just fine (reinstalling applications now).
[03:29] <Unit193> Couldn't select the last bootable kernel?  3.11.something ?
[03:30] <ganglere> Unit193, I tried several kernels and recovery mode, same error each time
[03:30] <Unit193> Well.
[03:32] <ganglere> Looking at the testcase results, it looks like all the other upgrades used "update-manager -d -c"
[03:32] <ganglere> Where as I booted the iso from a flash drive and selected upgrade
[03:33] <Unit193> Never done that, I've heard bad results though.
[03:35] <ganglere> I will remember that for the future.
[03:37] <Unit193> (That's nothing official, just what I've heard before.)
[03:38] <ganglere> I had assumed.
[03:38] <Unit193> Might be nice for someone to fix if that's the case.
[03:39] <ganglere> How does it differ? I just assumed it did a chroot and then an upgrade-manager call
[03:39] <ganglere> One would think it would be less volatile than an in-place upgrade
[03:40] <kondor1001> got this one,  do i have to report it anywhere other than clicking the report bug?  it is a duplicate obviously, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1282640
[03:49] <holstein> !bug
[03:56] <kondor1001> does that launchpad page get updated when that bug is fixed?
[03:56] <holstein> when?
[03:57] <holstein> you mean, if there is activity, and that activity is logged.. yes
[03:57] <kondor1001> i mean when it is fixed
[03:59] <ganglere> Unit193, is this worth reporting? I don't know what package to report against.
[04:00] <kondor1001> ok, im off, will keep an eye on that launchpad page so i know when to try another image.
[04:05] <Unit193> ganglere: I'd say so, but I'm not really sure where it failed.
[06:59] <Noskcaj> hey elfy
[07:00] <elfy> hi
[07:00] <Noskcaj> Any chance you could get some testing to the new xfburn release?
[07:03] <Noskcaj> As long as it's stable(ish), it will get to debian pretty soon
[07:03] <elfy> we can discuss it when it lands and is seeded
[07:05] <Noskcaj> corsac won't upload it to debian unless it's tested first. I'll see if i can get the bzr branch to unbreak
[07:05] <elfy> not sure how many people you'll get testing something if they can't install it in a live session or their machines
[07:06] <elfy> and I'm more worried about people testing beta's and things that have/have to land for us tbh
[07:07] <Noskcaj> it doesn't have to be much, just one person checking it's not completely broken
[07:07] <Noskcaj> I don't have a dvd burner, and neither does corsac
[07:07] <elfy> neither do I
[07:08] <Noskcaj> :(
[07:08] <elfy> if I did - I'd look myself
[07:09] <elfy> I've read the m/l discussion - if nothing changes in that I see no reason for me to get involved at the moment - I assume it'll get into Unreal Unicorn
[07:41] <elfy> mmm indicator-network wants to use 92Mb of space - or without recommends 200Mb
[09:04] <Noskcaj> I've got the new xfburn up for sponsoring. If anyone has an issue with that, please say. I know it's late in the cycle, but the old version is incredibly outdated, and i'd rather deal with bug reports for a current version rather than the old one.
[09:04] <Noskcaj> I'll have to go soon, will be back 19UTC
[11:07] <ochosi_> elfy: indicator-network is not something we use by default though, we use nm-applet which in turn uses indicator-application
[11:35] <ochosi> elfy: ping
[12:09] <bluesabre21> bug reports for a project with one maintainer can be bad news
[12:09] <bluesabre21> considering that the current xfburn, as old as it is, is basically the most stable burning app there is, along with k3b
[12:44] <knome> http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1404Beta1
[12:44] <knome> let's start working on the release notes
[12:45] <slickymaster-job> knome: where to place the drop of gthumg?
[12:46] <slickymaster-job> *gthumb
[12:46] <slickymaster-job> ok
[12:46] <knome> isn't final "sections", just add anywhere, but i added a new heading
[12:48] <elfy> ochosi: pong
[12:49] <elfy> ok - that's ok, just checking - but nm-applet doesn't appear to be using indicator-application here
[12:49] <knome> elfy, see link ^
[12:50] <elfy> wut?
[12:51] <knome> http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1404Beta1
[12:51] <elfy> oic sorry
[12:55] <slickymaster-job> knome: I'll add xfdesktop new features after lunch. I have a lunch appointment in about 10 minutes
[12:55] <knome> sure, no hurry
[12:55] <knome> we still have a week
[12:56] <knome> at once we're well ahead
[12:56] <elfy> but but but but ...
[12:57] <slickymaster-job> better safe than sorry
[12:58] <knome> slickymaster-job, question: in which parts is the documentation *re*written?
[12:59] <slickymaster-job> regarding the "Changing the wallpaper" section
[12:59] <knome> right
[12:59] <knome> i thought that would fall under "improved"
[12:59] <knome> or maybe "updated" more than "rewritten"
[13:00] <slickymaster-job> and the command-line chapter that Unit193 sort of rewrite
[13:00] <knome> see pad, rewrote that sentence
[13:00] <knome> but feel free to revert if you insist
[13:01] <slickymaster-job> nopes, it does seems better that way. Better wording
[13:01] <slickymaster-job> but I really have to go now
[13:01] <slickymaster-job> bbl ->
[13:01] <brainwash> elfy: can you please take a look at bug 1282227 and maybe confirm it? takes only some seconds :)
[13:02] <elfy> can't confirm it - works ok here
[13:02] <brainwash> thanks
[13:02] <elfy> I would have 2 days ago when none of my wallpapers were available
[13:03] <elfy> I think there was possibly an issue with that a day or so ago
[13:03] <brainwash> now it's gone?
[13:04] <elfy> well it works ok here - updated
[13:04] <elfy> but I did have that and a bunch of other really odd things going on
[13:05] <elfy> [19:17] <elfy> lost icons for lots of panel launchers and all the gtk3 ones
[13:05] <elfy> [19:17] <elfy> usr/share/xfce4/backdrops shows all my wallpapers
[13:05] <elfy> [19:18] <elfy> if I do the same from desktop settings - then navigate to the same place it appears to be empty
[13:05] <elfy> [19:18] <elfy> can't do a screenshot - as I'm told .png is not supported
[13:05] <elfy> http://imagebin.org/294486
[13:05] <ochosi> elfy: i wanted to ask you about testing light-locker-settings. it hasn't been added to the seed yet but it's uploaded, so installing it is easy
[13:05] <ochosi> specifically testing whether screen-blanking and screen-suspending works
[13:05] <elfy> then the following morning my panel was the same length as in that AND the only thing you could see was the date
[13:06] <elfy> ochosi: ok - you want me to call for that?
[13:06] <elfy> ochosi: is xscreensaver gone from the seed now?
[13:07] <brainwash> elfy: ouch, users who upgrade from a previous xubuntu version might experience the same issues
[13:07] <ochosi> elfy: i think yes, let me check...
[13:07] <elfy> brainwash: it wasn't up upgrade from a previous version
[13:08] <ochosi> elfy: the seed change for s/xscreensaver/light-locker/ has been merged, but i'm not sure micahg has uploaded that change already
[13:09] <elfy> mmm ok - so purge xscrn install light-locker light-locker-settings and check those 2 issues?
[13:09] <ochosi> elfy: yup, sounds good
[13:09] <elfy> that really needs to have a testcase if we're seeding it
[13:10] <ochosi> we will be seeding it, just a question of when the seed changes get merged/uploaded
[13:10] <elfy> ochosi: did you see what I said about nm-applet - is it supposed to be in notification area or in indicator plugin?
[13:10] <knome> ochosi, you too, see the pad
[13:11] <ochosi> knome: see what pad?
[13:11] <elfy> ochosi: ok - well I will get it on the tracker asap
[13:11] <knome> let's get it in awesome shape so our marketing lead doesn't have to work on it
[13:11] <brainwash> elfy: indicator area, but this requires the workaround
[13:11] <knome> ochosi, http://pad.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu1404Beta1
[13:11] <ochosi> knome: ok, will check later
[13:11] <knome> ochosi, ta
[13:11] <elfy> knome: I'll look at pad later - really want to smoke a lot and drink the cuppa b4 I'm back to work :p
[13:11] <knome> elfy, yeah sure :)
[13:11] <elfy> brainwash: workaround?
[13:12] <elfy> and I'll read it later - bbl :p
[13:12] <brainwash> elfy: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Gtk3Indicators > "Indicators may fail to load"
[13:13] <brainwash> we are still waiting for the fix from the indicator stack maintainer
[13:14] <elfy> oh yea, that one - thought about that while I was doing something else then promptly forgot again
[13:15] <brainwash> we could apply the workaround until it really gets fixed, but nobody likes this idea, because it could cause some trouble later on
[13:18] <brainwash> ochosi: will lightdm-gtk-greeter 1.8.2 land in trusty anytime soon or somewhat later after more bugfixes have been gathered?
[13:19] <brainwash> the gtk_main_quit fix is quite important
[13:19] <brainwash> especially now that the greeter is used as lock screen
[15:11] <slickymaster-job> knome: updated the tab with some more data
[15:37] <knome> slickymaster-job, tab? you mean pad? :P
[15:40] <slickymaster-job> knome: yes, Pad
[15:41] <slickymaster-job> my mind is playing tricks on me
[15:44] <knome> :)
[15:46] <knome> (moved the bugs to the notes section for now, let's see which we want to "promote" on the announcement
[15:48] <slickymaster-job> ok, but I think there are some more
[15:49] <knome> sure, let's keep on listing
[15:52] <slickymaster-job> are you ok with the xfdesktop new features knome?
[15:52] <knome> slickymaster-job, yep, looks good
[15:52] <slickymaster-job> goo
[15:52] <slickymaster-job> *good
[15:59] <brainwash> should we list bug 1271861 ?
[15:59] <brainwash> it's a feature request
[15:59] <brainwash> wrong icon = generic folder icon
[16:04] <brainwash> slickymaster-job: we might need an upstream report for bug 1282509
[16:04] <slickymaster-job> brainwash: I know. Haven't got the time to take care of it, though
[16:05] <slickymaster-job> I'll try to do it over the weekend
[16:05] <brainwash> usually you won't even notice this bug if you compile from git or disable apport, because the session immediately restarts xfdesktop after the crash
[16:05] <brainwash> thanks :)
[16:07] <brainwash> hopefully we'll get it fixed before B1
[16:08] <slickymaster-job> not putting much faith in that
[16:09] <knome> brainwash, file the upstream bug yourself, be in touch with upstream and make sure it's fixed, do a merge request (with help from somebody), make sure it gets to the sponsors queue and passes that
[16:10] <knome> brainwash, i would rather you do this for one bug than hearing about "we need to fix this" about 20 bugs ("we" meaning somebody in the team but not you)
[16:12] <knome> brainwash, helping out by triaging bugs is fine, but at this point, you have as much information about the bug than anybody else (probably more), and know the processes; if you don't know, you can ask for help
[16:29] <brainwash> I'll do it myself then
[16:29] <brainwash> ubuntu guys already complaining, bug 1283124
[16:30] <knome> brainwash, thanks for stepping up and taking care.
[16:31] <slickymaster-job> yes, errors tops e.u.c daily view
[16:33] <slickymaster-job> seb128 already mailed Noskcaj regarding it
[16:33] <slickymaster-job> since he was the one who did the update
[16:42] <ali1234> xfdesktop does have some bugs... i've seen where it doesn't refresh the background on all monitors at startup
[16:44] <slickymaster-job> hey ali1234, maybe you can help brainwash with it
[16:44] <brainwash> ali1234: latest version 4.11.3?
[16:46] <slickymaster-job> yes ali1234, that's the one
[17:09] <sergio-br2> hello
[17:09] <sergio-br2> hey ochosi
[17:11] <knome> jjfrv8, you around?
[17:29] <ali1234> 1516cb96c6ec9b20b63f05e7bcc4af8594d43129 looks like the culprit
[17:30] <knome> jjfrv8, slickymaster-job: stgraber will do a ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu release on monday, we have until that to get stuff prepared for the beta slideshow
[17:32] <slickymaster-job> knome: I must confess you that I haven't looked at it yet
[17:32] <knome> no problem, jjfrv8 did some
[17:32] <knome> and we have the weekend
[17:33] <slickymaster-job> that's what I was going to say
[17:33] <slickymaster-job> :P
[17:46] <brainwash> ali1234: http://lpaste.net/100243
[17:48] <elfy> ubiquity is a bit oops then atm
[18:00] <slickymaster-job> gotta go
[18:00] <slickymaster-job> bbl ->
[18:06] <ochosi> hey sergio-br2
[18:18] <sergio-br2> hey ochosi
[18:18] <sergio-br2> i did some random updates
[18:19] <knome> huhu, random? :)
[18:19] <sergio-br2> *in elementary icons, haha
[18:19] <ali1234> brainwash: that doesn't look right to me
[18:24] <brainwash> ali1234: what exactly?
[18:24] <ali1234> well the icon reset does not depend on there being workspaces
[18:24] <ali1234> and besides, why aren't there any workspaces?
[18:24] <ochosi> sergio-br2: oh cool, somehow i don't get emails about pending merge-requests...
[18:25] <brainwash> ali1234: don't know, I just added the check to prevent xfdesktop from segfaulting :(
[18:26] <brainwash> it's a start I guess
[18:26] <ochosi> sergio-br2: thanks, will review them tonight and get back to you. will you be around later?
[18:26] <sergio-br2> yes, bot now, but after 2 hours i think so
[18:26] <sergio-br2> *but not now
[18:27] <ochosi> ok, sounds fine
[18:27] <ochosi> i'll see whether i'll be around then
[18:27] <ochosi> not unlikely that i will be
[18:27] <brainwash> ali1234: the rest is up to eric (or you) :P
[18:27] <ali1234> is this reported on xfce bugzilla?
[18:27] <brainwash> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10705
[18:28] <brainwash> the report is only pointing to the LP one
[18:29] <ochosi> brainwash: did you check in which commit the bug starts to appear? (since it's not in 4.11.2)
[18:30] <ali1234> already found
[18:30] <brainwash> yea, the style refresh commit
[18:30] <ochosi> ok, cool
[18:31] <ochosi> btw, before anyone complains to *me* about this, we're hit by this upstream gtk3.10 bug in 14.04: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710909
[18:32] <elfy> ochosi: I have this thing where buttons are cut in some windows ...
[18:32] <ochosi> yup
[18:32] <ali1234> i have not seen anything like that with orion
[18:32] <ochosi> everyone has it
[18:32] <brainwash> some windows?
[18:32] <ochosi> gtkdialog mostly
[18:32] <brainwash> ah ok
[18:33] <ochosi> ali1234: affects all themes that use the default engine to draw buttons
[18:33] <ali1234> how do i reproduce it?
[18:33] <brainwash> weird thing that I haven't noticed that so far
[18:33] <ochosi> ali1234: here it is with orion: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-21-193330.php
[18:34] <ochosi> ali1234: one way is to start synaptic
[18:34] <ochosi> i'll check another way for you to reproduce quickly
[18:35] <ali1234> i don't see it
[18:35] <ochosi> are you on 14.04?
[18:35] <ochosi> that's weird then
[18:35] <ali1234> yes
[18:35] <brainwash> but that's only a minor glitch, no one would complain about this
[18:35] <ochosi> open evince -> open file
[18:35] <ali1234> what is evince?
[18:35] <ochosi> the pdf-reader
[18:35] <ali1234> is it "document viewer"
[18:35] <ochosi> yup
[18:36] <ali1234> ok, looks fine to me
[18:36] <ochosi> the open-file dialog has that issue too
[18:36] <ali1234> when did this start happening?
[18:36] <ochosi> with gtk3.10
[18:36] <ali1234> i haven't updated since yesterday
[18:36] <ali1234> i can't reproduce this anywhere
[18:36] <ochosi> no, a lot earlier than yesterday
[18:36] <ochosi> weird weird
[18:36] <brainwash> greybird looks fine here, buttons are OK
[18:36] <ali1234> i dn't use the default fonts, that probably affects it
[18:36] <ochosi> what fonts do you use?
[18:36] <brainwash> same here
[18:37] <brainwash> not using the default font setup
[18:37] <ali1234> droid sans 11, force 96 DPI, slight hinting
[18:37] <elfy> I was actualyl joking ochosi - but yea - got that here :)
[18:37] <ochosi> yeah, weird
[18:37] <ochosi> that fixes it
[18:38] <ochosi> "fixes"
[18:38] <ochosi> try 9pt
[18:38] <ali1234> yeah that breaks it lol
[18:38] <brainwash> so lets switch to 11 by default :)
[18:38] <ali1234> also i can't read anything cos everything is so small
[18:39] <ochosi> i'll add another comment about this upstream
[18:39] <ochosi> fwiw, 10 also breaks it
[18:39] <ali1234> not here it doesn't
[18:40] <ali1234> oh wait, yeah it does
[18:40] <ochosi> opensans works with 10pt, doesn't with 9pt
[18:40] <ochosi> seems like a "simple" padding issue
[18:40] <ali1234> it looks like the label text is too high on the button
[18:40] <ali1234> meh
[18:41] <brainwash> can you please link the upstream report?
[18:41] <ali1234> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710909 is the upstream report
[18:41] <brainwash> thanks
[18:48] <ochosi> it was actually a pain to even get that bugreport re-opened
[18:48] <ali1234> it took less than 24 hours
[18:48] <ali1234> that's not a pain
[18:49] <ali1234> completely random, but do you know how local menus works in unity?
[18:50] <ali1234> can we implement it in xfwm?
[18:50] <ochosi> i guess they use the same dbus method they use with their global-menu indicator (random guess)
[18:51] <ali1234> hmm... seems reasonable assumption
[18:51] <ochosi> where do you see that it took less than 24hrs from my comment on 2014-01-31
[18:52] <ochosi> that menu doesn't work nicely in xfce4-indicator-plugin, so i'm not sure getting it into xfwm4 will be easy
[18:53] <ali1234> that's probably more down the the indicator plugin
[18:53] <ali1234> what happens if the window is too small to show the menus on one line?
[18:54] <ochosi> then there's an expander
[18:54] <ochosi> i've seen a screenshot of that somewhere
[18:54] <ali1234> hmm...
[18:54] <ali1234> mousepad won't let you make the window smaller than the menu
[18:55] <ochosi> ali1234: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/lim-not-enough-space.jpg
[18:55] <ali1234> cool
[18:55] <ali1234> i might try to implement it
[18:56] <ochosi> sounds challenging
[18:56] <ali1234> i bet it's easy really
[18:56] <ali1234> cop and paste some code and dump a gtk widget onto the decorations
[18:56] <ochosi> btw, since you're the most xfwm4-proficient person around: is there a way to increase the resize-hover-area of xfwm4?
[18:56] <ali1234> hmm that's another thing on my todo list actually
[18:56] <ochosi> or will that add lots of pointer-polling
[18:56] <ali1234> i hate 1 pixel resize borders....
[18:57] <ochosi> something like 3px would be a nice area
[18:57] <ali1234> it should not require any polling
[18:57] <ali1234> the windows already have shadows that expand the real border area
[18:57] <ali1234> just need to make the resizer detect based on that
[18:57] <ali1234> although since that's part of the compositor we might not be able to use those directly
[18:58] <ochosi> hmm, yeah, ideally would work also without compositor
[19:00] <ochosi> bbiab
[19:00] <ali1234> you can probably fake it on the theme side by making the brder pixmaps bigger, with transparent areas
[19:02] <ochosi> i remember trying that and it not working though
[19:02] <ochosi> anyway, bbiab
[19:02] <ali1234> hmm, fair enough
[19:14] <ali1234> ah, i think i found it
[19:19] <ali1234> hmm...
[19:23] <ali1234> hmmmmmmmmmm...
[20:02] <ochosi> ali1234: ? :)
[20:02] <ali1234> i'm not sure if this is even possible
[20:03] <ochosi> the menus in the window-deco or the resize-area?
[20:03] <ali1234> resize
[20:03] <ochosi> wonder how other WMs do it though
[20:03] <ali1234> using big pizmaps with transparency doesn't work because it uses XShape to make out the transparent pixels
[20:04] <ali1234> if you don't make out the transparent pixels you get garbage in those pixels
[20:05] <ali1234> all the other windows that can do it are compositors so they can do real transparency
[20:05] <ali1234> window managers*
[20:05] <ochosi> hmm
[20:06] <ochosi> so they supposedly simply add 1 or 2px of transparent window-border?
[20:06] <ochosi> (sounds like a straight-forward solution)
[20:41] <sergio-br2> ochosi
[21:07] <ochosi> sergio-br2: sorry, haven't finished yet :/
[21:15] <ochosi> sergio-br2: just finished the mimes branch
[21:17] <ochosi> sergio-br2: hmm, no 22px multimedia-video-player?
[21:21] <ochosi> sergio-br2: also, the shadow below the play-icon in the 24px version of that icon seems a bit off
[21:26] <sergio-br2> ochosi, there is no 22 px multimedia-video-player in upstream
[21:27] <ochosi> sergio-br2: yeah, but it's very trivial to do, there's always the same protocol for converting 24px to 22px
[21:27] <ochosi> remove the drop-shadow, reduce the icon size to 22px
[21:27] <ochosi> and then center the icon again and hit save :)
[21:28] <sergio-br2> ok
[21:28] <ochosi> btw, sometimes i don't merge stuff from upstream, because they don't have all the sizes and i don't have time to draw thenm
[21:29] <ochosi> so i've merged all branches except the apps
[21:29] <ochosi> is the 24px version taken directly from upstream?
[21:29] <sergio-br2> the shadow is weird in 24
[21:29] <sergio-br2> yeah
[21:30] <ochosi> strange
[21:30] <sergio-br2> the only that missing was 22 px
[21:30] <ochosi> probably worth mentioning that to DanRabbit or submitting a bugreport
[21:30] <ochosi> or: fixing it and submitting a merge-request upstream
[21:30] <ochosi> he's usually happy to merge stuff back
[21:30] <sergio-br2> ok, i will see it
[21:30] <ochosi> but no worries, let's fix it in -xfce first
[21:32] <ochosi> something's off with that anyhow, i can't see it in the preview in thunar
[21:32] <ochosi> that usually means the shadow won't be visible in the png converted version
[21:37] <sergio-br2> ochosi, done
[21:38] <ochosi> sergio-br2: did you also fix the shadow?
[21:38] <sergio-br2> yes
[21:38] <ochosi> strange, still looks large: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-02-21-223821.php
[21:39] <ochosi> otoh it gives the white icon a bit more structure against the red backdrop
[21:39] <ochosi> oh right, it's the same in 32px
[21:39] <sergio-br2> yes, but i think it is the desing
[21:39] <ochosi> i thought it shouldn't be like that
[21:39] <ochosi> yeah
[21:39] <sergio-br2> design
[21:39] <ochosi> it's fine
[21:39] <ochosi> thanks
[21:40] <ochosi> merged, thanks a bunch!
[21:40] <sergio-br2> ok
[21:40] <sergio-br2> no problem :)
[21:41] <sergio-br2> you know when the git repo go to trusty?
[21:41] <sergio-br2> is it you that make the package for ubuntu?
[21:42] <ochosi> no, i'm not doing any packaging
[21:42] <ochosi> i only push to the branch, then one of our packagers takes care of it
[21:42] <ochosi> Noskcaj put the xubuntu-artwork package in the sponsors queue, so whenever uploaders have time, they upload it
[21:43] <ochosi> my last push there was the 96px folders
[21:43] <ochosi> but we can try to do another package upload sometime after beta1
[21:43] <sergio-br2> give me a deadline, i can do some icons yet
[21:44] <ochosi> ok, let me check the release schedule quickly
[21:45] <ochosi> march13th is the UI freeze, so being ready with the icons on march 6th would be ideal
[21:45] <ochosi> then we have a week for our packagers to update the package and upload it
[21:46] <ochosi> so two weeks from now, a little less than that
[21:51] <sergio-br2> no time to lose then
[21:52] <ochosi> yup
[21:53] <ochosi> nice to see that some folks on ubuntu also use our artwork :)
[22:04] <ochosi> bbl
[22:12] <Noskcaj> ochosi, It's been on the queue for 2 days now
[22:32] <jjfrv8> knome, are you still around?
[22:33] <knome> jjfrv8, i am
[22:33] <jjfrv8> did you want to work on the slideshow tonight?
[22:33] <knome> if you have time and motivation, we can do that
[22:34] <knome> as you most probably read, we have the weekend to land new things
[22:34] <knome> (for beta, then again for final)
[22:34] <jjfrv8> I was going to try to finish xfdesktop for ochosi tonight and I only have a few hours available this weekend
[22:35] <knome> if you can push the slide you created to a branch, i'm fine with that
[22:35] <jjfrv8> sure, I can do that
[22:36] <jjfrv8> I'll probably have from around 14 to 16 tomorrow, that might be it for the weekend
[22:37] <jjfrv8> but I'll push the slide in the next few minutes
[22:37] <knome> you should use the time you have for xfdesktop
[22:37] <knome> i can handle the slideshow for now
[22:37] <knome> and i'm most probably away at that time tomorrow
[22:37] <jjfrv8> ok
[22:41] <slickymaster> hey knome, jjfrv8
[22:41] <knome> heys li
[22:41] <knome> .
[22:41] <knome> hey slickymaster
[22:41] <slickymaster> it seems that I got here just in time
[22:41] <jjfrv8> evening
[22:47] <knome> slickymaster, kind of :)
[22:47] <knome> slickymaster, did you have ideas for the slideshow?
[22:50] <jjfrv8> knome, I've pushed the slideshow. You don't want a MP, do you? Just a link to the branch?
[22:53] <knome> jjfrv8, either one works for me
[22:53] <slickymaster> knome: I'm going to start on it now
[22:53] <knome> jjfrv8, but easier for you with no MP
[22:53] <knome> slickymaster, okay :)
[22:54] <jjfrv8> knome, https://code.launchpad.net/~jjfrv8/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/personalize-desktop
[22:54] <knome> jjfrv8, thanks
[22:54] <slickymaster> knome: I think that all types of markting stuff are to be avoid, right?
[22:54] <knome> slickymaster, yep
[22:54] <knome> slickymaster, and boring applications listing
[22:54] <jjfrv8> I didn't create a new slide, I just modified 01_internet.html
[22:55] <knome> jjfrv8, that works
[22:55] <knome> i'll sort it out if/when we get more stuff done today
[22:56] <slickymaster> it looks good jjfrv8
[22:56] <jjfrv8> thx
[23:08] <slickymaster> knome, jjfrv8 proposed text completely empties 2/3 of 05_desktop.html slide
[23:08] <knome> slickymaster, no problem, i'm not merging the branch as is
[23:12] <slickymaster> knome: remind me again how to build the slideshow locally, please
[23:12] <knome> slickymaster, ./test-slideshow.sh xubuntu
[23:12] <slickymaster> ok, thanks
[23:35] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/trusty_slideshow/personalize.png
[23:35] <knome> slickymaster, does that help your inspiration?
[23:35] <knome> note the different layout
[23:36] <knome> the shot is still to be replaced
[23:36] <knome> and i need the mugshot icon from somewhere
[23:37] <knome> file:///usr/share/doc/python-launchpadlib/docs/files/mugshot.png
[23:37] <knome> hahah.
[23:37] <knome> (did "locate mugshot.png")
[23:38] <knome> ochosi, ping
[23:38] <slickymaster> yeah, I allready had saw jjfrv8's slide
[23:39] <knome> yeah, but the layout is now fixed
[23:39] <slickymaster> the new layout is much better, more modern and fluid
[23:39] <knome> well, the best thing is that the text fits :P
[23:40] <slickymaster> yes, the worst thing is that I'm feeling empty :P
[23:40] <knome> let's have a brainstorm
[23:41] <knome> what do we want to tell about the user in the slideshow?
[23:41] <knome> - the customizing features
[23:41] <knome> - highlight of our applications
[23:41] <slickymaster> maybe the problem can be the fact that I'm much attached to the already existent text in the slides
[23:41] <knome> - some commonly dismissed features
[23:41] <knome> catfish? application finder?
[23:41] <knome> - whiskermenu?
[23:42] <knome> - panel layout
[23:42] <knome> - DOCS, help and support methods
[23:42] <slickymaster> abd are we to drop every mention to the media and internet applications?
[23:43] <knome> i just got an idea to do one slide with just some of the default applications listed
[23:43] <knome> do we want a slide about desktop looks customizing? (yeah)
[23:43] <knome> - ubuntu software center
[23:43] <knome> - thanks
[23:44] <slickymaster> tell me something does the number of slides has to remain the same?
[23:44] <knome> not at all
[23:44] <slickymaster> is that strict
[23:45] <knome> nope
[23:45] <knome> pretty much nothing is.
[23:45] <knome> we can even change the size of the slideshow window if we for some reason want to
[23:45] <slickymaster> don't think that would work much
[23:46] <knome> nope, but just giving you the idea how loose we are on everything
[23:46] <slickymaster> got it
[23:47] <slickymaster> another thing knome xx_newfeatures.html
[23:47] <knome> yep?
[23:47] <slickymaster> is still to be decided where it is going to be placed, right?
[23:48] <knome> yep, that's why the xx
[23:48] <slickymaster> thought so
[23:52] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/trusty_slideshow/defaultapps.png
[23:52] <knome> slickymaster, give you inspiration?
[23:53] <knome> as you see, we can do whatever we want...
[23:56] <slickymaster> well, I'll give another try in the next half an hour
[23:56] <slickymaster> if nothing comes out, I'll sleep on it and hopefully I'll wake up tomorrow and produce something
[23:57] <slickymaster> defaultapps.png
[23:58] <knome> that it is
[23:58] <knome> ;)
[23:58] <slickymaster> is something we can use to the new features slide
[23:58] <slickymaster> the concept of the slide that is
[23:58] <knome> sure, if we find the right content for that format
[23:59] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/trusty_slideshow/defaultapps2.png
[23:59] <slickymaster> I'm trying to sketch something up around whiskermenu