[04:30] <jenna> I bought a cannon scanner specifically for its good linux support
[04:30] <amphi> zithowa: you might find that installing ncurses-term fixes it; if not, try messing with putty's $TERM
[04:31] <Arrick> jenna, yeah right
[04:31] <thoreauputic> jenna: huh? which one?
[04:31] <jenna> but that was only because the scanner drivery people are good hackers, cannon had nothing to do with such support
[04:31] <thoreauputic> ah
[04:31] <jenna> CanoScan LiDE 20
[04:31] <kyath> ubot dapper chat room
[04:31] <Arrick> haha
[04:31] <amphi> SlayPain: have a look for it on sane.org
[04:31] <linux_galore> jenna: canon have made it very public they dont want to support Linux, there nothing like HP, HP has a full blown site for Linux support
[04:31] <nickrud> kyath, #ubuntu+1
[04:31] <thoreauputic> jenna: OK - I know some aresuported - but not many sadly
[04:32] <Arrick> jenna, one of my techs wrote a driver so we could use those, he wrote it about a year ago
[04:32] <Arrick> haha
[04:32] <kyath> ty
[04:32] <rab> I just installed fluxbox, in the menu i only see three things, xterm restart andexit. How do i get all of my applications in that menu
[04:32] <zithowa> amphi: i'm not sure what $TERM is used for, could you explain a little or tell me what to google?
[04:32] <jenna> neat
[04:32] <thoreauputic> rab: did you compileoruse apt?
[04:32] <jenna> it works well.. and it was really cheap
[04:32] <rab> apt
[04:32] <amphi> zithowa: did you install ncurses-term and try logging in again with putty?
[04:32] <Arrick> yeah, thats why about every class in the district has them now
[04:33] <thoreauputic> rab: should be OK - you can install the menu program - or see if the package includes fluxbox_generate-menu
[04:33] <rootaccess> !tell rootaccess about list
[04:34] <thoreauputic> rab: the "menu" package gives you Debian-stylemenus
[04:34] <thoreauputic> bah Debian style
[04:34] <linux_galore> if you reverse engineer anything from canon so you have Linux support canon sues you
[04:34] <zithowa> amphi: i just did, and I still get weird characters in emacs, also when i run make
[04:35] <jenna> I'm trying to get some files off a ubuntu breezy pc on to a ubuntu dapper beta 2 pc, both are networked together
[04:35] <nickrud> linux_galore, you're poor, why would they sue you?
[04:35] <jenna> i've tried using smb, but they seem to ask for a password to access the smb resource.. and there's nowhere to set a password, and it doesn't work if you try and login with it blank
[04:36] <jenna> what do i do?
[04:36] <thoreauputic> jenna: install openssh-server and use scp
[04:36] <Arrick> WinSCP
[04:36] <jenna> winscp? that doesn't sound like the kind of thing that would run in ubuntu...
[04:36] <linux_galore> nickrud: because they have cut a deal with someone else
[04:36] <linux_galore> nickrud: name begins with M
[04:36] <thoreauputic> jenna: see my answer above
[04:36] <Arrick> oh sorry wrong channel jenna
[04:37] <mikeb> haha
[04:37] <thoreauputic> ;)
[04:37] <nickrud> linux_galore, heh. I get overly agressive, and thank the noodle monster for hp, sort of
[04:37] <Arrick> thoreauputic, please do it again, I could use the knowledge on my network
[04:37] <jenna> thats annoying, i want a propper networkey dealie for a more perminant set up
[04:37] <theverant> are changes to udev picked up right away, or do I need to reboot for them to take effect?
[04:37] <thoreauputic> Arrick: haha :D
[04:37] <mikeb> jenna, you're going to have to do some reading about smb and acl's
[04:37] <jenna> can i use nfs or something if smb wont work? i can't figure out how you connect to nfs, though its pretty obvious how to share stuff on it
[04:38] <spikeb> yeah you can
[04:38] <thoreauputic> jenna: you mount things for nfs
[04:38] <jenna> i'm just setting this up with the "System > Administration > Share Folders" option..
[04:38] <jenna> oookay.. how?
[04:38] <mikeb> oooh, graphical :P
[04:39] <thoreauputic> http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/
[04:39] <jenna> i'm not a command line kinda girl   o^
[04:39] <thoreauputic> jenna: read the guide I just posted
[04:39] <Arrick> hey they dont have dapper set to install as a automatic update do they?
[04:39] <mikeb> jenna, i like command line girls :P
[04:39] <nickrud> jenna, two more years, you might be able to live without the commandline
[04:39] <thoreauputic> jenna: nautilus also does ssh by the way
[04:40] <Arrick> jenna, took me about ten minutes to learn to live with command in here
[04:40] <Arrick> nobody likes to help a gui user haha
[04:40] <eggzeck> Arrick, no
[04:40] <zithowa> amphi: is there a way to test if ncurses-term is doing what it should be doing?  $TERM is still xterm
[04:40] <nickrud> Arrick, not true
[04:40] <thoreauputic> Arrick: it's just quicker to give commands onIRC
[04:40] <jenna> i already live happily without the command line.. this is the first time i've had to use it in ubuntu
[04:40] <Arrick> I know, thats why I said haha
[04:41] <nickrud> Arrick, as the gui gets better, more help will go that way
[04:41] <Arrick> LOL, :^) I know
[04:41] <mmmiiikkkeee> i woudl like to change my default text editor from gedit to emacs how do i go about doing this?
[04:41] <linux_galore> its not that we dont like helping a GUI user, its just the fact that explaining in text how to do something via the menu's  ie click on system/leg/foot then goto finger menu etc is just too slow
[04:41] <eggzeck> Arrick, I meant no to your update question.
[04:41] <Arrick> I just had to get a rise out of someone tonight, my wifes not up to it
[04:41] <thoreauputic> nickrud: it's still a pain having to type click this, then click that, then click,...
[04:41] <randomguy> hello
[04:41] <thoreauputic> Arrick: it worked ;)
[04:42] <Arrick> oh eggzeck thanks for letting me know, I just did a default install, and autoupdate sayd 153 files to be updated
[04:42] <randomguy> i am new to ubuntu, it seems like there are no repositories with 3rd party software
[04:42] <linux_galore> randomguy: yes there are
[04:42] <eggzeck> Arrick, of course, its a new install.
[04:42] <Arrick> !easysource
[04:42] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[04:42] <anjin_> I just installed Dapper Flight 7 on my main PC as a dual boot with XP.  This machine has a new ATI Radeon x1600 Pro video card.. when I try booting into Ubuntu X will not start, and I instead get kicked to the CLI.  Any help would be vastly appreciated!
[04:42] <nickrud> thoreauputic, I know people who cannot type. I hate rollerballs, but they do, and the click stuff is critical for them.
[04:42] <eggzeck> Arrick, so after a new install , there are MANY updates to do :)
[04:42] <Arrick> hey randomguy look at ubotus post
[04:42] <spikeb> !ati
[04:42] <ubotu> I guess ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[04:42] <intelikey> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/d14365 anyone know a fix ?
[04:43] <djs_2_6> Hey all.  I am on Breezy, and having trouble playing what is named to be a h264 encoded video file.  How can I solve this?
[04:43] <Arrick> eggzeck, I wouldnt know, never had a gui on it before, so no sutoupdat
[04:43] <BOBJohnson> Aloha all.
[04:43] <mmmiiikkkeee> how do i goabout changing my deafult text editor from gedit to emacs
[04:43] <linux_galore> djs_2_6: easyubuntu
[04:44] <BOBJohnson> Looking for a spot of help on a dual monitor question if anyone has a minute.
[04:44] <linux_galore> http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/
[04:44] <djs_2_6> linux_galore - I'm sorry?
[04:44] <Arrick> !ask
[04:44] <ubotu> Just ask. Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Information like hardware make, model and output of commands that you used pasted onto http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org is important.
[04:44] <linux_galore> djs_2_6: link ^^
[04:44] <thoreauputic> nickrud: I'm a lousy typist actually - but I still use CLI - I'm not at all against point-and-click though - I do that too
[04:45] <nickrud> meng, I'm a damn good typist :)
[04:45] <randomguy> so i just put these urls in repository in synaptic?
[04:45] <djs_2_6> linux_galore - Thank you for that, but I am just looking for the exact solution for my problem.  I am reasonably *nix familiar...
[04:45] <nickrud> erm, s/meng/me/ sorry meng
[04:45] <Arrick> randomguy, no in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:46] <BOBJohnson> Ok..I have the dual monitor setup and working.  It's beautiful.  I have it so each monitor acts as its own desktop, with its own menu and bg and everything.  My only complaint is at times I start a program in one monitor and want to move it to the other.  But I can't seem to figure out how to do this.  Click & Drag doesn't seem to work.
[04:46] <linux_galore> djs_2_6: well if it doesnt play it means you dont have the codec its that simple
[04:46] <djs_2_6> linux_galore - I know that.  I am just looking for the exact needed codec...
[04:46] <BOBJohnson> So basically, I want to know if it is possible to move programs between the two, and if so, how?
[04:46] <sangenfant> I haven't been able to run X for almost a week now, and it looks like something to do with fonts
[04:46] <amphi> zithowa: sorry, i was afk
[04:46] <linux_galore> djs_2_6: aah quicker to google for the package the codec is in
[04:46] <meng> anyone has idea to why my dapper's Open Office icons disappear when i go through over them?
[04:46] <sangenfant> can anyone help me?
[04:46] <dibblego> what's the package name for a C compiler?
[04:46] <Arrick> google with that extension and linux in the search djs_2_6
[04:47] <djs_2_6> Arrick - Already did.  Found Xvid, tried to install, did not help...
[04:47] <BOBJohnson> So can anyone experienced with dual monitor setups help me with this?
[04:47] <nickrud> dibblego, sudo aptitude install build-essential
[04:47] <Arrick> !patience
[04:47] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Please be aware there are a lot of questions, but only maybe few who might know the answer for you. Please be patient. Your attitude may determine their willingness to help you.
[04:47] <linux_galore> djs_2_6: xvid is a front end not a codec
[04:48] <amphi> zithowa: does setting TERM to putty help ?
[04:48] <phreekbird> anyone have any luck with dri and ubuntu ... got an ati radeon mobil 7500 card
[04:48] <dibblego> ta
[04:48] <Arrick> !ati
[04:48] <ubotu> ati is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10 or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=423589
[04:48] <mmmiiikkkeee> BOBJohnson i had that problem when i set up my dual monitor... what kind of vidoe card do u have i am using an ATI card
[04:48] <amphi> phreekbird: yup
[04:48] <BOBJohnson> mmmiiikkkeee, I am also using an ATI.
[04:49] <djs_2_6> linux_galore - Ok.  So, what is the codec I would need, then?
[04:49] <anjin_> well, thanks anyway.  I dont think some of those links apply... but will try working with them anyway.  I cant get any GUI with my ATI at all...
[04:49] <Arrick> anjin_, did you reconfigure X yet?
[04:50] <anjin_> I tried, yes.. kept getting the same errors.
[04:50] <nickrud> anjin_, that ati page has been tested, retested and tested again
[04:50] <troy> need some help - using amd64/fglrx - using the blender packages for dapper, I get font problems galore... can anyone confirm this and/or offer a solution?
[04:50] <theverant> anyone know what could keep software communicating with a scanner?
[04:50] <theverant> it is detected, and the right SANE backend is being used
[04:50] <mmmiiikkkeee> BOBJohnson i read a lot of shit on how to set on config files to set up vitural desktops and non of it worked.. but there turned out to be a really easy to use script that came from ati taht set everthing up correctly i dont recall the dte though srry
[04:51] <anjin_> I'm going to try some of those tricks... I tried an apt-get upgrade first to see if that helped.  Just finishing that now
[04:51] <Arrick> troy, go to ubuntu+1 for dapper support please
[04:51] <linux_galore> djs_2_6: you need to install the package x264-bin  in multiverse
[04:51] <eggzeck> anjin_, make sure you have the right drivers and edit the xorg.conf
[04:51] <theverant> I know it *can* work... it worked in Mandriva... I really want to be able to us Ubuntu though
[04:51] <wims> !xorg
[04:51] <ubotu> [xorg]  To reconfigure your X server, type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" in a terminal, or check here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto or here http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-83973.html
[04:51] <linux_galore> djs_2_6: http://packages.ubuntulinux.org/dapper/sound/
[04:51] <BOBJohnson> mmmiiikkkeee,  I am just using the default drivers, instead of the proprietary drivers from ATI.  Are you using the one directly from ATI?
[04:52] <theverant> scanning software loads with no errors, but it can not access the scanner
[04:52] <eggzeck> anjin_, do you have "xorg-driver-fglrx"?
[04:52] <kyath> anyone know how i can get the mozilla active x control plugin
[04:52] <djs_2_6> linux_galore - Thank you.  And that will be compatible with Breezy?
[04:52] <linux_galore> kyath: hmm hold I have the linl
[04:52] <linux_galore> link*
[04:53] <mmmiiikkkeee> i am useing the proprietary ones yes and i get 3d excelleration on both screens
[04:53] <amphi> theverant: perms on the relevant /proc/bus/usb directory and/or files?
[04:53] <Dr_Willis> kyath,  that the one that comes with cedega?
[04:53] <anjin_> The pages given say that fglrx dont support x1600 line cards :(
[04:53] <kyath> great
[04:53] <linux_galore> djs_2_6: its in the breezy multivers so you just apt-get install  it
[04:53] <nickrud> active x? That's not available on linux, normally, and thankfully
[04:53] <kyath> im using wine but it requires active x
[04:53] <theverant> amphi - I added the scanner to udev so I can see it without SUDO, is the /proc/bus/usb a different permission?
[04:53] <djs_2_6> I have the breezy multiverse set up, and I do not find it...
[04:54] <BOBJohnson> mmmiiikkkeee, when I first tried getting the dual monitor going, I tried installing the ATI drivers, and it kept giving me some error about incorrect kernel.
[04:54] <BOBJohnson> Did you ever run into something like that when first doing it?
[04:54] <linux_galore> kyath: http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/plugin.htm#download
[04:54] <Dr_Willis> kyath,  what program says it needs activex?
[04:54] <BOBJohnson> I am probably just typing something wrong.
[04:54] <kyath> online poker game
[04:54] <mmmiiikkkeee> BOBJohnson u can try searching on here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FindPage it has been the most helpfull site for me so far for most things i have been doing
[04:54] <kyath> ty linux~
[04:55] <amphi> theverant: oh, it's use the /dev file? forget about /proc/bus/usb then, I think
[04:55] <BOBJohnson> Thanks.
[04:55] <amphi> theverant: does xsane work as root?
[04:55] <theverant> xsane works as non root now that I fixed udev
[04:55] <BOBJohnson> Grrr...trying to slim down the network list in XChat and accidently deleted the one for this server...
[04:55] <theverant> but root or non root it can't access the scanner
[04:55] <theverant> before it wouldn't even load
[04:56] <theverant> amphi - before I made the change scanimage -L told me there was no scanner, now it sees it, but I can't use it.
[04:56] <theverant> so close yet so far :p
[04:56] <linux_galore> BOBJohnson: should look at turning /home in a cvs repository that way you can wind back the file version when you stuff up
[04:58] <amphi> theverant: not as root either?
[04:58] <BOBJohnson> linux_galore, can you give me a link to a guide or something for a cvs repository...
[04:58] <theverant> amphi - no xsane/iscan/kooka none can talk to the scanner
[04:58] <theverant> like I said though, it did work when I had Mandriva installed way back when
[04:59] <BOBJohnson> A ccvs repository is install programs for linux right?  Or am I way off base?  Sorry, still an uber noob at linux.
[04:59] <mikeb> !cvs
[04:59] <ubotu> cvs is probably the Concurrent Versions System, the dominant open-source network-transparent version control system; it helps to manage releases and to control concurrent editing of source files among multiple authors. See: https://www.cvshome.org/
[04:59] <theverant> so I know the backend works... somehow... :p
[04:59] <linux_galore> BOBJohnson: http://linuxjournal.com/article/5976
[04:59] <linux_galore> BOBJohnson: theres also a nice howto to use subversion to do the versioning on your /home directory
[05:00] <BOBJohnson> Thanks.
[05:01] <anjin_> Ok, I installed fglrx and updated my xorg.conf ... now X will load, but to a blank screen with an X as a cursor... and just hangs there doing nothing.  Wont even let me reboot :(
[05:01] <amphi> theverant: does scanimage say where it is?
[05:03] <mmmiiikkkeee> any one know how i can make emacs my default text editor instead of gedit?
[05:03] <david__> only english
[05:04] <theverant> amphi - yep libusb:002:005
[05:04] <kyath> linux_galore: do u know where i need to move the active x pkugin to
[05:04] <theverant> amphi - sorry epkowa:libusb:002:005
[05:05] <linux_galore> kyath: open the extension window and drag and drop the file on the window
[05:05] <amphi> theverant: in that case, the perms of /proc/bus/usb/002/005 might be worth looking at
[05:05] <kyath> extention window?
[05:05] <kyath> in wine folder?
[05:05] <kyath> or mozilla-firefox
[05:05] <theverant> amphi - how do I do that, exactly? :)
[05:06] <anjin_> Dumbass ATI cards.  I had to unplug the PC to reboot.. now I can get to a esktop.  Why now when not before?  Damned if I know... thanks for all the help guys.  I'm still a Linux noob, but I'm learning!  Ubuntu is on my laptop and I use it on an ancient PII as a file server.  If TheGIMP ever gets as powerful and usable as Photoshop, I may make the switch 100% :)
[05:06] <theverant> I'm a bit of a noob
[05:06] <kyath> or firefox it self
[05:06] <kyath> im guessin firefox browser
[05:06] <linux_galore> kyath: yes, in firefox its Tools Extensions, leave the file on your desktop and drak and drop it on the extensions window
[05:06] <linux_galore> drag*
[05:06] <amphi> theverant: ls -l :) you want to change them so that members of the scanner group can read and write IIRC
[05:07] <theverant> anjin_ - i found Gimp to be better than photoshop for what I do... but everyone has different needs
[05:07] <theverant> amphi - IIRC?
[05:07] <kyath> have an error 202
[05:07] <Cloud_tm> Hello!
[05:07] <amphi> theverant: 'if I recall correctly
[05:07] <Cloud_tm> I have a question
[05:07] <kyath> failed install of npmozax.dll
[05:07] <linux_galore> kyath: aah that not an extensions read the howto
[05:08] <amphi> !IIRC is <reply>IIRC means 'if I recall correctly'
[05:08] <ubotu> ...but iirc is already something else...
[05:08] <amphi> !iirc
[05:08] <ubotu> it has been said that iirc is "If I Remember Correctly", (If I remember correctly... )
[05:08] <Cloud_tm> Whenever I try to for example, remvoe a broekn pakcage, it says that the things to be removed are pretty much everything. All my core files, etc... why?
[05:08] <amphi> ok ;)
[05:08] <pmw> How does one remove a service from startup?
[05:08] <anjin_> theverant - Well, I'm a graphic design student who can't afford a Mac ... I need to know all of the Adobe appz.  TheGIMP won't cut it in the pro graphic design field.  I like GIMP, dont get me wrong... it's amazing as an opensource program.
[05:08] <linux_galore> kyath: the fact your asking tells me you didnt read it
[05:08] <kyath> lol
[05:08] <thoreauputic> !author iirc
[05:08] <ubotu> thoreauputic: Some people juggle geese. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:08] <thoreauputic> ubotu: bah
[05:08] <theverant> yeah it's not really for design
[05:08] <ubotu> thoreauputic: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:08] <amphi> anjin_: pantone is a big problem for gimp
[05:08] <pmw> Say, if 'gdm' always starts and you don't want it to, what's the way to stop it from doing so?
[05:08] <theverant> it handles layers better than photoshop though
[05:09] <theverant> I use a fraction of the RAM with GIMP over PS
[05:09] <amphi> pmw: update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[05:09] <pmw> amphi: thanks.
[05:09] <theverant> I always thought IIRC was a program... :p
[05:09] <amphi> theverant: heh
[05:09] <nickrud> haha
[05:09] <anjin_> Yeah, but with 2GB of RAM .. I'm not worried.  :)
[05:09] <Cloud_tm> Opera will not install properyl
[05:09] <Cloud_tm> On breezy
[05:09] <theverant> I have 2GB of RAM
[05:09] <thoreauputic> !opera
[05:10] <theverant> PS wanted up to 16GB for some of my projects
[05:10] <thoreauputic> !+opera
[05:10] <ubotu> well, opera is not in the Ubuntu repositories, but you can always download the latest Opera .deb package from http://www.opera.com/download/ and then see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OperaBrowser for Dapper see http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/Weekly-241/intel-linux/
[05:10] <Cloud_tm> I have done everything
[05:10] <Cloud_tm> it needs a dependency
[05:10] <Cloud_tm> and when I go to install the dependency via terminal
[05:11] <Cloud_tm> it needs to remvoe all of my core files to continue
[05:11] <Cloud_tm> why?
[05:11] <wims> I'm following this howto (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI?highlight=%28ati%29%7C%28dual%29%7C%28head%29) on how to install ATI drivers, however i fail on the final step, building the modules for the kernel. I'm getting Error 1, does anybody know what that error means ?
[05:11] <theverant> amphi - so I checked /proc/bus/usb/002/005 and I got -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 50 2006-05-20 24:55 005
[05:11] <thoreauputic> Cloud_tm: what does it want to remove ? Probably a metapackage
[05:12] <Cloud_tm> ill show you
[05:12] <anjin_> eh, I run Photoshop and Illustrator on XP with 2GB of RAM and have no problems.  I had issues when I had only 1GB though.  To each his own though.  As long as you can get the job done, that's all the matters.  I just wish Adobe made appz that worked on linux.. I could abandon XP for good :)
[05:12] <thoreauputic> Cloud_tm: if it's long don't paste it here
[05:12] <thoreauputic> !paste
[05:12] <ubotu> Please don't flood the channel! For best results use the pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ and tell people the URL
[05:12] <theverant> anjin_ don't expect that to happen anytime soon... but hey, once apple goes to Windows and makes OS X open source that'll be fine, too, right? ;)
[05:13] <Cloud_tm> ill show it to you in sperate window
[05:13] <Cloud_tm> !paste
[05:13] <ubotu> Please don't flood the channel! For best results use the pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ and tell people the URL
[05:13] <thoreauputic> Cloud_tm: no, use the pastebin
[05:13] <anjin_> if I could run OSX on my PC without hacking it to bits, I'd be a happy man.  :)
[05:13] <theverant> hell I'd be happy if Apple just released OS X for PCs... it's not open source, but it's certainly better than Windows
[05:13] <Cloud_tm> how?
[05:13] <amphi> theverant: xsane should work as root; to use as your user you want to make it owned by root.scanner, chmod 660 it, and make sure your user is in the scanner group
[05:14] <theverant> amphi - xsane loads, but won't talk to the scanner
[05:14] <Cloud_tm> how do I use the pastebin?
[05:14] <BOBJohnson> theverant...it'd probably not have all the hardware drivers it needs...Aren't most of their PCs proprietary for Mac?
[05:14] <amphi> theverant: there is (obviously) a way to automate setting these perms and ownership when the device is plugged in, but I forget exactly what
[05:14] <thoreauputic> Cloud_tm: just highlight the error message and copy paste it onthe paste site
[05:14] <anjin_> Anyway.. now that I have X running.. I'm gonna take off and play with it :)
[05:14] <theverant> "failed to start scanner: invalid argument"
[05:14] <amphi> theverant: as root?
[05:14] <anjin_> later.. and thanks for the help
[05:15] <theverant> amphi - yeah
[05:15] <thoreauputic> Cloud_tm: then tell us the URL for it
[05:16] <Cloud_tm> ok
[05:16] <theverant> BOBJohnson - it's a unix hack, they can add PC support if they wanted... home users have hacked it to work on their PCs.  If I had the right setup it would probably work on mine, but alas, it doesn't like my system
[05:17] <theverant> As usual Apple is just being a giant prick about it.   I remeber the tabbed windows... those there hot shit
[05:21] <thoreauputic> theverant: you can add bling as desired
[05:21] <noiesmo> protocol1, tar xvzf
[05:21] <theverant> bloated... uh-huuuh
[05:21] <protocol1> k
[05:22] <andrejkw> what 3D game do u guys reccomend?
[05:22] <andrejkw> mainly FPS?
[05:22] <thoreauputic> amphi: real men use binary and patch cables!
[05:22] <theverant> I'm not smart enough to add bling
[05:22] <thoreauputic> :P
[05:22] <theverant> the best I can manage is downloading new themes
[05:22] <amphi> thoreauputic: ;)
[05:22] <thoreauputic> theverant: sure you are
[05:22] <theverant> I never could get the idesk working
[05:22] <amphi> phreekbird: got it?
[05:22] <theverant> and I missed having a usable desktop :)
[05:22] <thoreauputic> theverant: the docs at fluxbox.org are good
[05:22] <phreekbird> yup thanks
[05:23] <amphi> phreekbird: YMMV ;)
[05:23] <theverant> yeah... I just don't have time to be honest
[05:23] <theverant> I want it to work dammit...
[05:23] <thoreauputic> theverant: ah, well that's different
[05:23] <SZF> i wanted that scanner...
[05:23] <theverant> that's the whole reason I went back to using Windows
[05:23] <thoreauputic> theverant: nothing wrong with gnome or kde really
[05:24] <amphi> theverant: scanners can be a PITA - did you look on sane.org for any info?
[05:24] <theverant> xfce is fine for me... KDE is ok too... I'm not too hot on gnome
[05:24] <theverant> amphi - yeah I've read tons of stuff
[05:24] <theverant> I know I need to use epkowa which is provided by epson
[05:24] <SZF> you guys knowagood usb wifi connector?
[05:24] <theverant> in the iscan package, which I installed
[05:25] !lilo:*! we've been experiencing some connectivity problems with a main rotation server, and it split again about five minutes ago; we've removed it from rotation
[05:25] <amphi> theverant: :( I don't have sane here; does findscanner or whatever it's called give any more info than scanimage -L ?
[05:25] <theverant> I just don't know why it wou;dn't work in Ubuntu
[05:25] <mr_foamfingermak> Anyone able to point me in the right direction...powerbook g4, dapper beta, bcom extreme bcm4311 I think
[05:25] <mr_foamfingermak> what do I need to do to get it to work.
[05:26] <amphi> !bcm4311
[05:26] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, amphi
[05:26] <amphi> pfft
[05:26] <theverant> amphi just the manufacturer and model codes
[05:26] <theverant> which I plugged into the dll
[05:26] <luke> I made firestarter --start-hidden, how do I make the GUI appear now?
[05:26] <theverant> it bugs me that the scanner worked right off in Mandriva
[05:26] <theverant> cuz that distro annoyed me
[05:26] <I_Love_DRM> Can someone please tell me the file that is read when booting up ubuntu (i.e the one that issues the sync clock etc etc) I want to remove the items I dont require to speed the bootup
[05:27] <amphi> theverant: did you look at /etc/sane.d/epkowa.conf ?
[05:27] <theverant> it kept auto configuring things I didn't want to
[05:27] <thoreauputic> mr_foamfingermak: http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/
[05:27] <theverant> yeah that's where i add the usb model info
[05:27] <thoreauputic> mr_foamfingermak: packages for airport extreme
[05:28] <mr_foamfingermak> nice
[05:28] <mr_foamfingermak> Thanks thoreauputic
[05:28] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:28] <mr_foamfingermak> im gonna dig into it
[05:28] <amphi> I_Love_DRM: the scripts are in /etc/init.d - you can disable them with update-rc.d or by deleting/renaming symlinks in /etc/rc2.d
[05:28] <mr_foamfingermak> man if I get this working!
[05:28] <mr_foamfingermak> I will be the man
[05:28] <thoreauputic> mr_foamfingermak: there's a wiki page too
[05:28] <theverant> garrrrggggggkkkkk thpppppppp :p~~~~~~~
[05:28] <I_Love_DRM> Si it runs all the scripts under init.d?
[05:28] <I_Love_DRM> so*
[05:29] <amphi> theverant: did you google?
[05:29] <thoreauputic> mr_foamfingermak: try wiki.ubuntu.com/wifi
[05:29] <theverant> amphi - many many times
[05:29] <amphi> theverant: what model is your thing?
[05:30] <theverant> I found some instructions for Breezy, but breezy will NOT install on my computer... Dapper is what I am running
[05:30] <theverant> it's Epson 3170
[05:30] <thoreauputic> mr_foamfingermak: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Device/AirportExtreme
[05:30] <amphi> theverant: now you tell us ;)
[05:30] <SZF> anybody know a real good usb wifi connector so I can connect to my wifi network?
[05:30] <amphi> theverant: but it doesn't use epson.conf?
[05:30] <thoreauputic> ubotu airport is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Device/AirportExtreme
[05:30] <ubotu> okay, thoreauputic
[05:30] <I_Love_DRM> Which of those scripts should I delete to stop the Hp printing and scanning and the raid devices part?
[05:30] <theverant> amphi - no it has to use proprietary epkowa.conf
[05:31] <theverant> A lot of Epsons higher end scanners are like that
[05:31] <theverant> epson.conf only works for low end stuff
[05:31] <theverant> from what I can tell
[05:32] <amphi> theverant: what version of iscan do you have? or are you not using it
[05:32] <theverant> I have the newest version
[05:33] <theverant> v2
[05:33] <ujs> .lola
[05:33] <ujs> ol
[05:33] <amphi> theverant: and that doesn't find it, even as root?
[05:33] <ujs> no
[05:33] <I_Love_DRM> can I just delete the hplip sh from /etc/init.d?
[05:34] <theverant> nope
[05:34] <theverant> scanimage -L sees it though
[05:35] <amphi> theverant: this might be worth a try: in /etc/sane.d/dll.conf, change 'epson' to '#epson', and add 'epkowa' - or have you already done that? ;)
[05:36] <theverant> amphi - did that :)
[05:36] <theverant> maybe I'll # everything but epkowa, just for shits n giggles
[05:36] <amphi> theverant: heh - this any good? http://www.twuug.org/lists/twuug/2005-04/msg00009.html
[05:37] <amphi> theverant: or BTDT? ;)
[05:37] <theverant> BTDT?
[05:38] <amphi> !btdt
[05:38] <ubotu> amphi: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:38] <amphi> !btdt is <reply> 'been there, done that'
[05:38] <ubotu> amphi: okay
[05:38] <theverant> I don't think Dapper uses hotplug... it uses udev doesn't it? or are the two not mutually exclusive?
[05:39] <amphi> theverant: they're different things, I believe - I'm a static /dev diehard, so don't trust me on that
[05:39] <noiesmo> udev is replacing hotplug from my understanding
[05:39] <amphi> theverant: you might have more luck in #ubuntu+1
[05:40] <theverant> nobody seems to want to talk about scanners in there :p
[05:40] <theverant> /etc/hotplug/usb.usermap doesn't exist though
[05:40] <ubuntu233> I am trying to install GRUB using the Live CD (Ubuntu is already installed, apparently GRUB is not). grub-install -h says you need to specify install_device, so I did "sudo grub-install /dev/sda", but it says "/dev/mapper/casper-snapshot does not have any corresponding BIOS drive."
[05:41] <theverant> so... I don't think dapper is using hotplug specifically
[05:41] <ubuntu233> Any ideas?
[05:41] <I_Love_DRM> Can someone please tell me the command to remove the hplip from init.d - i tryed update-rc.d hplip remove
[05:41] <amphi> I_Love_DRM: try with -f
[05:41] <I_Love_DRM> it said it exists during purge
[05:42] <amphi> I_Love_DRM: as man update-rc.d would tell you
[05:42] <I_Love_DRM> ok sorry I put the -f in the wrong place :/
[05:43] <amphi> heh
[05:43] <ubuntu233> What would people in IRC do if every Linux package/command had not been "thoroughly" documented?
[05:43] <amphi> ubuntu233: document them?
[05:44] <noiesmo> ubuntu233, ask more questions hehe
[05:44] <ubuntu233> amphi, Huh?
[05:45] <amphi> ubuntu233: ?
[05:45] <mr_foamfingermak> Where is the sources.list file?
[05:45] <mr_foamfingermak> etc?
[05:46] <noiesmo> /etc/apt/
[05:46] <mr_foamfingermak> thx
[05:46] <derek__> hey guys does anyone know how to use python?
[05:46] <ubuntu233> Anyway, does anyone have any suggestions for my question? What exactly does "/dev/mapper/casper-snapshot does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." mean?
[05:47] <derek__> i need help with bundling python code. any1?
[05:53] <Dr_Willis> derek_,  care to clarify a little more?
[05:54] <technel> I am trying to install GRUB using the Live CD (Ubuntu is already installed, apparently GRUB is not). grub-install -h says you need to specify install_device, so I did "sudo grub-install /dev/sda", but it says "/dev/mapper/casper-snapshot does not have any corresponding BIOS drive."
[05:55] <amphi> Dr_Willis: he is no longer with us
[05:55] <Dr_Willis> well *#$*@#&&@@ him then!
[05:55] <Dr_Willis> :P
[05:56] <amphi> heh
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> what is the method for entering 'funny' characters  :P like windows and its alt-### method. ( like for spanish and other  special letters)
[05:57] <alexcamilo> Hello, i'm having some trouble with ubuntu 5.10 on my clamshell ibook.
[05:57] <alexcamilo> it installed
[05:57] <alexcamilo> and x starts but the desktop doesnt load
[05:58] <Dyngo> June 1st, is that the release date for Dapper?
[05:59] <amphi> Dr_Willis: I use the the compose key and digrphs
[05:59] <amphi> Dr_Willis: in console - in X compose is called Multi_Key IIRC
[06:02] <Dr_Willis> amphi,  ok.. so what compose key is this? lol..  ive never seen it done.
[06:02] <amphi> Dr_Willis: often it's mapped to printscreen
[06:03] <amphi> Dr_Willis: have a look for it in /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz perhaps
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> amphi,  ok.. googling for compose key got me --> http://process-of-elimination.net/wiki/Means_of_Composing_Accented_Characters_in_X_Window_System
[06:04] <amphi> Dr_Willis: you also need the digraph stuff in there, eg "compose 'a' 'e' to ''"
[06:05] <Dr_Willis> lol. i hit/held the print screen key . andabout 100 'save screen shot' dialogs came up  (using kde)
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> at least i could click on the taskbar and 'close all' - i would of been rebooting if this was windows.
[06:06] <amphi> Dr_Willis: heh - I guess you'll have to make something else Multi_Key
[06:07] <amphi> Dr_Willis: CapsLock might be a good candidate ;)
[06:07] <Dr_Willis>    3.  from within a Gtk+ application, type Control + Shift + (character code).
[06:08] <whiter> anyone know how i could get mpd to start when my computer starts?
[06:08] <amphi> I like me digraphs ;)
[06:08] <amphi> whiter: write an init script for it
[06:08] <whiter> how would i go about doing tha?
[06:09] <amphi> whiter: copy one in /etc/init.d and adjust to taste; you can use update-rc.d to create the runlevel symlinks
[06:09] <whiter> ok
[06:10] <whiter> oh wait
[06:11] <whiter> thisi still dont know what to do
[06:11] <whiter> lol
[06:11] <amphi> whiter: you might find the docs in /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc of use
[06:11] <amphi> whiter: or see the README in /etc/init.d
[06:12] <whiter> the readme doesnt really explain anything
[06:12] <IYY> anyone knows where I can find the program 'mkimage' (to convert a cramfs filesystem to a valid image for a specific architecture)? source, deb, anything...
[06:12] <whiter> all i want is one command to be ran when the pc starts
[06:12] <whiter> hmm
[06:12] <neosc> looks from my synaptic manager that gcc is installed.. yet when i gcc from the terminal.. i get a 'command not found'.. any ideas?
[06:13] <Flannel> neosc: did you install build-essential?
[06:13] <llama32> what must i install for rythmbox to play MP3s?
[06:13] <neosc> gcc 3.3 is greeen in SPM
[06:13] <glyphobet> is there a package that I need to install to get support for external USB or firewire DVD+RW drives?
[06:13] <Flannel> !tell llama32 about mp3
[06:13] <neosc> hmm.. doesnt it instal dependencies by itself?
[06:13] <amphi> whiter: it's best to right a proper script, but if you have a one line command, you could stick it in /etc/bootmisc.sh - note that this is frowned upon ;)
[06:13] <neosc> @flannel
[06:13] <whiter> :D
[06:14] <amphi> whiter: er, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh ;)
[06:14] <whiter> mpd --stdout 6600 /mnt/hdc1/mp3 /mnt/hdc1/mp3 /mnt/hdc1/mp3/log.out /mnt/hdc1/mp3/log.out - is the command i want to be ran
[06:14] <amphi> whiter: if you put it after 'exit 0', you will be disappointed
[06:14] <whiter> that would work in there?
[06:15] <amphi> whiter: what's the stdout option for ?
[06:15] <whiter> stops output
[06:15] <neosc> thanks flannel.. looks like that'll solve it.
[06:15] <amphi> whiter: could work ok...
[06:15] <whiter> lol this is no easier
[06:16] <whiter> :\
[06:17] <amphi> Dr_Willis: multi_keying in #linuxhelp, huh?
[06:18] <whiter> hope that works
[06:18] <whiter> will report back on reboot
[06:18] <whiter> :)
[06:19] <mynimal> I got some more information for one of my problems from earlier
[06:19] <mynimal> It seems that any programs that require me to put in the root password will not open
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> amphi,  :P
[06:19] <mynimal> However, Synaptic does it fine
[06:19] <Dr_Willis> amphi,  they were asking how to do it.
[06:19] <amphi> heh
[06:21] <confused> lamers
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> 0_o
[06:22] <bisquit> How can I install dapper off of a cd with synaptic on breezy?
[06:22] <amphi> confused: lmr shurely ;)
[06:23] <bisquit> Like, how do I get synaptic to update off of the dapper live cd?
[06:23] <bisquit> I have Breezy started up and all, and the cd in (the isntaller on it hates me) and I need to get synaptic to update the packages on my compy wit hthe ones on the cd
[06:24] <technel> I am trying to use grub-install on /dev/sda, but it just says: "/dev/mapper/casper-snapshot does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." Any ideas?
[06:25] <leojstewart> Can somebody tell me how to edit menu items in ubuntu?
[06:26] <leojstewart> I've tried the 'Menu Editor' but it doesn't seem to work...
[06:26] <leojstewart> Any suggestions?  X starts and shows the login window. but when i log in it hangs on the brown screen with the mouse and stays there. the mouse responds and i hear the ubuntu login music played.
[06:28] <leojstewart> no I haven't.
[06:28] <leojstewart> I'm very new to linux
[06:28] <alexcamilo> everything including suspend works. except for the desktop. lol
[06:28] <llama32> mmm pie
[06:29] <amphi> alexcamilo: heh
[06:29] <leojstewart> technel: I will give it a try, thank you.
[06:29] <alexcamilo> i even tried it in failsafe mode
[06:29] <alexcamilo> 3.14159!
[06:29] <technel> leojstewart, I believe it cross-references another file, so if you just go and edit the file at the path in that file, it should work
[06:31] <leojstewart> technel: WORKED! thank you!
[06:32] <cursive-> question, if i have forgotten the account i created at install, am i screwed?
[06:32] <bisquit> Err, what channel would I ask Dapper questions in?
[06:32] <technel> leojstewart, No problem :)
[06:32] <confused> how would we know
[06:32] <amphi> bisquit: #ubuntu+1
[06:33] <alexcamilo> when i tried booting with the live CD everything worked fine.
[06:33] <confused> OH NO
[06:33] <confused> AHHH
[06:33] <confused> DEVIL NUMBER
[06:33] <confused> 666
[06:33] <technel> Anyone have any ideas for my question: I am trying to use grub-install on /dev/sda, but it just says: "/dev/mapper/casper-snapshot does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." Any ideas?
[06:33] <amphi> confused: the permissions of the beast?
[06:33] <amphi> cursive-: you've forgotten your password?
[06:34] <alexcamilo> confused: ah 666. was troubleshooting some code i wrote for a DB. then i noticed there where 666 entries.
[06:34] <cursive-> forggoten the username and password
[06:34] <cursive-> well i think i know the su password, but i cant login to use that
[06:36] <amphi> cursive-: boot in rescue mode, cat /etc/passwd to find out your username, and do passwd <your_username> to make a new password for your user; you may need to do mount / -o remount,rw before running passwd
[06:36] <cursive-> rad, ill try that, cheers.
[06:37] <bisquit> how do I open squashfs files
[06:38] <amphi> bisquit: google might know
[06:39] <anjin_> Can anyone help me get my wacom tablet running properly?  Right now it sees the stylus move, but does not recognize when I actually make contact with the pressure sensitive tablet.
[06:39] <bisquit> Er, is it possible to make a repo on your own computer?
[06:39] <bisquit> And get synaptic to read from it
[06:40] <cursive-> does rescue mode mean recovery mode?
[06:40] <Madpilot> cursive-, yes
[06:40] <amphi> cursive-: actually, it means runlevel 1 ;)
[06:40] <dibblego> is there a wiki page for Apache/Tomcat/mod_jk ?
[06:41] <anjin_> I'll take that as a "no" :)
[06:42] <Perkin> hello
[06:42] <amphi> anjin_: there should be a howto at tldp.org, dunno how out of date it is
[06:42] <Madpilot> !+apache
[06:42] <ubotu> apache is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[06:42] <Madpilot> dibblego, ^^^
[06:43] <dibblego> Madpilot: that page doesn't have the integration between Apache and Tomcat
[06:43] <anjin_> amphi : Thanks, I'll take a look at that
[06:43] <Madpilot> dibblego, ah, OK. I know someone added some Tomcat stuff a while ago, but I don't know how complete/useful it is...
[06:45] <Perkin> hello
[06:45] <luke> can u run wine on a 64bit system?
[06:45] <Perkin> i'm new here
[06:46] <amphi> hello Perkin
[06:46] <amphi> welcome to this strange ircdom of plenty ;)
[06:47] <Perkin> what is the target of this channel?? i know that it's the official ubuntu channel
[06:47] <Perkin> can i ask all my questions here?
[06:47] <amphi> some of them, at least...
[06:47] <cursive-> that worked, thanks for that amphi :)
[06:48] <amphi> cursive-: cool
[06:48] <amphi> cursive-: did you need to remount / rw ?
[06:48] <cursive-> nope
[06:48] <amphi> Perkin: do you have a question?
[06:49] <amphi> cursive-: ok
[06:49] <Madpilot> Perkin, this is the tech support channel for Ubuntu, basically
[06:49] <Perkin> yes, one question: why the root is almost blocked in Ubuntu?
[06:49] <mythica> hi guys
[06:49] <amphi> !root
[06:49] <ubotu> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[06:49] <mythica> how do you access samba shares using command line?
[06:49] <mythica> i can access them using konquer
[06:49] <amphi> Perkin: see the url ubotu gave above
[06:50] <Perkin> thanks ubotu
[06:50] <mythica> but I want to link them to my filesystem. Do I need to mount them ?
[06:50] <amphi> mythica: mount -t smbfs blah blah
[06:51] <amphi> mythica: there's also smbmount
[06:52] <anjin_> no luck with the wacom tablet :(
[06:52] <Perkin> ok... and another question is: why when i enter the root password in cups web interface, it doesn't work?
[06:52] <anjin_> No big deal, I guess... I use it mainly in XP for Photoshop, Illustrator, etc... I just wanted to play around with it in GIMP.
[06:53] <luke> what is the correct repository for wine?
[06:53] <amphi> anjin_: wacom should be well supported; I used an old serial one a while back
[06:53] <Perkin> ohh, gksudo it's like kdesu, the solution of all my problems
[06:53] <Madpilot> Perkin, use System->Admin->Printing
[06:54] <superholy1982> hello
[06:54] <Hikyuu> hi
[06:55] <anjin_> amphi: Perhaps, but the link you gave me was - to be frank - way over my head.  I found a few links on google that pointed to a Wacom on Linux page on sourceforge.  I downloaded a package from there and tried running the install-sh, but nothing happened
[06:55] <spikeb> um
[06:55] <spikeb> regarding the topic - the us mirrors are working fine
[06:55] <nivek_> Hi there, I want to convert an .avi to a .mpeg file.. I have to burn a VCD with K3B and I most have an mpeg so.. HEPL ME!!!
[06:55] <mythica> amphi, thanks
[06:55] <amphi> nivek_: mencoder
[06:56] <nivek_> amphi, I can convert what I want with mencoer ?
[06:56] <amphi> nivek_: IIRC it has ouput options for vcd - you'll want the vcdtools package also, I believe
[06:56] <Hikyuu> Im trying to setup wlan0.. and need for dhclient to scan a different subnet mask >.>
[06:56] <amphi> nivek_: depemding on what codecs you have installed
[06:57] <nivek_> amphi, ok.. but where I can find mencoder? I don't find it in Synaptic
[06:57] <amphi> nivek_: the docs have examples of creating [svcd]
[06:57] <amphi> !tell nivek_ about mplayer
[06:57] <nivek_> amphi, I want to burn an VCD, how ?
[06:57] <superholy1982> what type of bt tool is best?
[06:57] <amphi> nivek_: note that mplayer-doc is a separate package, and has docs for both mplayer and mencoder
[06:57] <anjin_> I have two other issues that are probably more important than the tablet anyway.  First, k3b says I do not have permission to write to my CD/DVD burner.  Secondly, my external USB drives are read only and won't allow me to change permissions (they are NTFS, which may be why.. though I did use Synaptic to install NTFS support)
[06:58] <mythica> I only have smbclient
[06:58] <mythica> Cant find smbmount or smbfs?
[06:59] <amphi> mythica: perhaps install the smbfs package
[06:59] <alexcamilo> um?
[06:59] <Hikyuu> Oh I forgot to say .. need help ..  I thought I was through with that long ago.  :(
[07:00] <amphi> anjin_: never ;)
[07:00] <anjin_> hehe
[07:00] <alexcamilo> welcome to life. ure always a noob at something
[07:00] <amphi> anjin_: ntfs needs some umask stuff in /etc/fstab I believe - sorry to be vague, but I don't use it
[07:00] <Hikyuu> Amphi any ideas on my dilemna.. I can wait till your done with anjin_
[07:01] <anjin_> Yeah, I know... I'm just so used to helping everybody I know with their XP machines.  People come to ME for help... now I'm the clueless noob when it comes to Linux and I dont know anybody to badger for help, so I have to bug all of you :)
[07:01] <amphi> Hikyuu: what do you mean? what's wrong with dhclient wlan0 ?
[07:01] <alexcamilo> you sound like the person who will soon become knowlagable. so it'l be iver soon i guess
[07:02] <anjin_> amphi : Thanks.. I'll check out the Ubuntu forums for ntfs support.  Any ideas on my k3b problem would be appreciated though :)
[07:02] <amphi> anjin_: sorry, don't use it
[07:02] <alexcamilo> its always nice to have something new to learn. or life wouldnt be so interesting
[07:02] <Hikyuu> dhcpdiscover on wlan0  is looking on <IP_ADDRESS> when my network or w/e is <IP_ADDRESS> ..
[07:02] <anjin_> amphi : Ok, thanks anyway though :)
[07:03] <Hikyuu> so it doenst get past that step.. whats even odder is it was working fine earlier as ra0 and then I rebooted and it switched the wireless card to wlan0.. and then started being fussy
[07:03] <Hikyuu> doesn't*
[07:03] <amphi> Hikyuu: <IP_ADDRESS> is just the ultimate broadcast address
[07:03] <nivek_> amphi, I have downloaded mplayer.. I want to encode my video.. what I do?
[07:03] <anjin_> alexcamilo : So true.  I'm learning Linux for the geek fun of it.. I have no real practical purpose for it.  I work in IT for a public school system that uses strictly Windows.  I take graphic design classes that use strictly OSX ...
[07:04] <Hikyuu> k any idea why its not getting dhcpoffers..
[07:04] <amphi> nivek_: read the docs in /usr/share/doc/mplayer
[07:04] <amphi> Hikyuu: no - did you upgrade the driver?
[07:04] <nivek_> amphi, Can I do man mplayer ?
[07:05] <Hikyuu> ummm the ndiswrapper was dled very recently.. and the driver was gotten from the site when I was still wired.. but I cant do too much downloading with it.. since it has no internet
[07:05] <amphi> nivek_: you can indeed, but you may not like it ;) man mplayer is a 'classic' manpage
[07:05] <anjin_> Hmm.. off topic, but would VMWare on an x86 machine recognize an x86 image of OSX?  Hmm
[07:05] <amphi> Hikyuu: you're not using a ralink card?
[07:05] <Hikyuu> Im using a wireless card >.> sorry Im an idiot so if I say something studid tell me
[07:06] <alexcamilo> anjin_: practical purposes will kinda pop up (for me anyway). like now that i can set up a server i'm like. hmm why don't i write my own weblog or something and host it! stuff like that.
[07:06] <nivek_> amphi, which files is the guide for me ?
[07:06] <amphi> nivek_: the docs in /usr/share/doc/mplayer will be more helpful to you, I think; there is a specific section on vcd
[07:07] <amphi> Hikyuu: what card is it? lspci should tell you if you're not sure
[07:07] <nivek_> amphi, I dont find any README or others
[07:07] <Hikyuu> its a linksys wireless g card and I have the ndiswrapper and the correct driver
[07:07] <Hikyuu> e.e
[07:07] <anjin_> alexcamilo : I have an old machine set up as my file server, so I guess that's practical. :)
[07:07] <amphi> nivek_: did you install the mplayer-doc package?
[07:07] <alexcamilo> anji_: i know it will work for the dead-moo image that was floating around but thats been shunned by apple. (no apps run on it). i dont know bout the new one but i'm pretty sure apple did SOMETHING.
[07:08] <amphi> Hikyuu: oh, ok - ra0 made me think it was a ralink, sorry - I don't know about ndiswrapper
[07:08] <slackern> nivek_: file:///usr/share/doc/mplayer-doc/HTML/en/menc-feat-vcd-dvd.html
[07:08] <slackern> nivek_: file:///usr/share/doc/mplayer-doc/HTML/en/menc-feat-mpeg.html
[07:08] <Hikyuu> lol nah ..I dunno why its that
[07:08] <anjin_> alexcamilo : <nod> Thanks.  OSX is the other OS I want to explore some more of.. but no way in hell am I dropping the cash for Apple's hardware.  :)
[07:08] <amphi> nivek_: sorry, /usr/share/doc/mplayer-doc
[07:09] <amphi> anjin_: even after they closed darwin? not that too many cared, I suppose
[07:09] <amphi> anjin_: if you want bsd, you know where to find it ;)
[07:10] <anjin_> amphi : Yeah, but BSD doesn't run Adobe appz :)
[07:10] <leojstewart> On my boot screen, where I select different Operating Systems, it lists two different versions of the Linux Kernel.  Does anyone know how I can delete the older Linux Kernel?
[07:10] <Hikyuu> amphi could you direct me towards someone that doesn know about ndiswrappers ^^?
[07:10] <alexcamilo> anjin_: i'm watin for the macbooks or minis to be used and cheeper. like in a few years.
[07:10] <BrandonBL79> Can anyone help me with a 'Grub' problem, and uninstalling?
[07:10] <amphi> Hikyuu: no, sorry
[07:10] <slackern> leojstewart: you could run synaptic and search for linux-image and remove the old one there
[07:10] <nivek_> amphi, I just have the folder mplayer-386
[07:10] <Hikyuu> ok thanks for your time
[07:10] <amphi> Hikyuu: you must just appeal to the channel
[07:10] <dibblego> I have two Ubuntu machines - I want to see the files of one from another - is this what samba does?
[07:10] <Hikyuu> lol
[07:11] <Hikyuu> yeah I figured
[07:11] <amphi> nivek_: did you install the mplayer-doc package?
[07:11] <nivek_> amphi, I dont think
[07:11] <alexcamilo> anjin_: maybe we should stop talking bout off topic stuff. b4 the chan opps cyber stab us
[07:11] <anjin_> alexcamilo, cheaper is good. :)  It's just too bad you can't really open a Mac up and put your own hardware in.  Those Minis don't have enough balls for me :)
[07:11] <anjin_> alexcamilo, Oh yeah.. sorry :)
[07:11] <amphi> nivek_: why not, when I told you to, twice?
[07:11] <nivek_> amphi, sorry but I'm noob
[07:11] <BrandonBL79> I'm trying to re-format my second hard drive as a fat32, and delete the grub from primary hard drive?  Having difficulty?  Any ideas or documentation?
[07:11] <alexcamilo> anjin_: i;m in the offtopic chan
[07:12] <amphi> nivek_: what does that have to do with not install mplayer-doc ?
[07:12] <anjin_> I oughta take off anyway... I have a lot to play with on this new install :)
[07:12] <anjin_> later
[07:12] <nivek_> amphi, relax dude
[07:12] <BrandonBL79> !grub
[07:12] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[07:13] <slackern> nivek_: 'sudo apt-get install mplayer-doc' then you can open file:///usr/share/doc/mplayer-doc/HTML/en/menc-feat-mpeg.html in firefox.
[07:14] <nivek_> slackern, ok thx
[07:14] <leojstewart> slackern: thank you :)
[07:14] <slackern> leojstewart: ahh you found it? just make sure you don't remove the one you are running right now .)
[07:15] <slackern> leojstewart: so your left with a system without a kernel-image :p
[07:15] <BrandonBL79> anyone can help with a 'Grub' problem?
[07:15] <bisquit> BrandonBL79: What kind of 'Grub' Problem?
[07:15] <slackern> leojstewart: it's usually a good idea to keep an older kernel a little while before removing it in case of problems
[07:15] <nivek_> amphi, I have read but the command mencoder doesn't exist...
[07:16] <slackern> nivek_: which processor do you use?
[07:16] <nivek_> slackern, 2.4 ghz
[07:16] <slackern> pentium 4 or amd?
[07:16] <BrandonBL79> !PARTITION
[07:16] <ubotu> Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, BrandonBL79
[07:16] <BrandonBL79> !partitions
[07:16] <ubotu> Go to System -> Administration -> Disks and enter your password. Pick the disk your partition is on from the list, then click the 'Partitions' tab. Select the partition you want to mount, set an access path (mount point) and click 'Enable'.
[07:16] <nivek_> slackern, pentium 4 yah
[07:17] <BrandonBL79> !update partition
[07:17] <ubotu> BrandonBL79: No idea, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:17] <slackern> nivek_: ok do 'sudo apt-get install mencoder-686' that will install it then.
[07:17] <nivek_> slackern, wait me plz
[07:18] <nomin> does anyone in here have mythtv installed and running?
[07:18] <nivek_> slackern, not found but mencoder-586 exist and mencoder-k6 and mencoder-custom
[07:18] <slackern> nivek_: Im totally new to this also, never used it before :p
[07:18] <slackern> ahh 586 will work also then
[07:18] <slackern> nivek_: you could use that instead, im using dapper so it might be a little different.
[07:18] <nivek_> slackern, ok and after, what I do ?
[07:18] <leojstewart> slackern: Removed the correct one, and I've had no problems with the one I'm using now.  :)  Thanks for the help.
[07:19] <mythica> howcome I cant mount //hostname/
[07:19] <BrandonBL79> !UNINSTALL
[07:19] <ubotu> BrandonBL79: Wish I knew. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:19] <nivek_> slackern, do u know the command for .avi to .mpeg ?
[07:19] <slackern> nivek_: open firefox and go to file:///usr/share/doc/mplayer-doc/HTML/en/menc-feat-mpeg.html
[07:19] <BrandonBL79> !INSTALLATION
[07:19] <ubotu> BrandonBL79: I haven't a clue, try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:19] <mythica> but i cant mount /hostname/share/
[07:19] <leojstewart> How can I easily update my OpenOffice2 to the latest version/
[07:19] <leojstewart> ?
[07:19] <Madpilot> BrandonBL79, you'll probably be better off if you just ask a question, and stop poking the bot at random...
[07:19] <nomin> I'm trying to get mythtv running on ubuntu.  I hope someone in here can help me out.
[07:20] <slackern> there is examples on how to make a avi to mpg file, i tried the bottom example on a small 68 mb .avi file
[07:20] <mythica> can*
[07:20] <nivek_> slackern, Could not open codec.
[07:20] <nivek_> FATAL: Cannot initialize video driver.
[07:21] <slackern> nivek_: when you did what?
[07:21] <nomin> no mythtv users in here?
[07:21] <nivek_> slackern, I have this error when I'm typping the command of the page you tell me
[07:22] <slackern> nivek_: theres quite alot of differences between dapper and breezy so you might have to install codecs and things in breezy
[07:22] <nivek_> slackern, File not found: 'frameno.avi'
[07:22] <nivek_> Failed to open frameno.avi
[07:22] <nivek_> File not found: 'other_options'
[07:22] <nivek_> Failed to open other_options
[07:22] <nivek_> Cannot open file/device.
[07:22] <slackern> !restrictedformats
[07:22] <ubotu> hmm... restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats Most of the formats listed here can be replaced by !FreeFormats
[07:22] <amphi> nivek_: you might need to install w32codecs and some libs, like libavcodec, libavformat, ffmpeg, etc
[07:23] <slackern> i'll let someone take over that know which is the best way to do that on  breezy since i run dapper here.
[07:25] <squiggly_> fefe
[07:25] <leojstewart> Can someone tell me the best way to update my OpenOffice2 to the latest version, please?
[07:26] <khan> leojstewart: if it's not an emergency, wait a week for dapper, i think it has a newer version...
[07:27] <Wizz_Kidd> i need to add more respotitories to my synaptic
[07:27] <khan> leojstewart: you could always try source-o-matic repos for openoffice2
[07:27] <khan> Wizz_Kidd: and??
[07:27] <khan> Wizz_Kidd: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:28] <Wizz_Kidd> what do i add to it
[07:28] <leojstewart> khan: as I'm very new to linux, I'd rather not try a BETA just yet...
[07:29] <khan> leojstewart: check your pm's
[07:29] <khan> Wizz_Kidd: try source-o-matic for ubuntu (search for it on google)
[07:29] <Wizz_Kidd> source 0 matic
[07:30] <khan> Wizz_Kidd: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[07:32] <nickrud> leojstewart, actually the latest beta is much better than the last stable, go figure :)
[07:34] <DBO> nickrud, yes but they "im new I better stick with stable" mentallity is very healthy for this chat room =)
[07:35] <nickrud> I do like the whole stable thing overall, DBO though. It's why I'm here
[07:36] <sflash> Hi, i just installed the new ubuntu release on one of my computers, and after it reboot after modules installed, i get a black screen
[07:36] <DBO> i know you do nickrud, I just was pointing out in 20 days we would be kicking ourselves if we got all the newbies hooked on beta
[07:36] <sflash> and it gets stuck with cursor on the left corner
[07:36] <DBO> sflash, does CTRL + ALT + F1 bring up a prompt?
[07:36] <cursive-> grr setting up wireless is not fun
[07:36] <nickrud> DBO, heh. I'm jumping the gun :) Point taken
[07:37] <sflash> im not sure, let me bring my laptop over to it
[07:37] <DBO> cursive-, yeah, its probably complaint #2 around here
[07:37] <sflash> ctrl alt f1 does nothing
[07:37] <nickrud> number 1, and I have no wireless, so I get to ignore :)
[07:38] <DBO> nickrud, more than xorg?
[07:38] <nickrud> yes.
[07:38] <sflash> what happens is when i start the computer, it shows the ubuntu logo and loads a bunch of stuff underneath it, then the video mode goes into txt mode
[07:38] <sflash> and the cursor on the top left, and it crashs there
[07:38] <DBO> sflash, yeah thats no good... are you running dapper or breezy?
[07:38] <nickrud> wireless more than anything else in the last year
[07:38] <sflash> no idea, i just downloaded the ISO from ubuntu website
[07:39] <sflash> from the x86 release
[07:39] <DBO> breezy
[07:39] <DBO> sflash, ok, do you have a live cd?
[07:39] <sflash> no i dont
[07:39] <sflash> i can download it though
[07:39] <DBO> please do
[07:39] <sflash> i was gonna try the Kubuntu, i think i like that gui better
[07:39] <DBO> something went horribly wrong for you
[07:39] <sflash> but i will grab the live cd too
[07:40] <DBO> you can change over to kubuntu from a normal ubuntu install, no need to download a kubuntu disk
[07:40] <sflash> yeah, one thing is, i do have two video cards, a onboard intel video and a pci video card voodoo 3
[07:40] <sflash> ok
[07:40] <nickrud> voodoo3, ohhhh
[07:40] <DBO> sflash, what one are you using?
[07:41] <DBO> nickrud, known problems with V3?
[07:41] <sflash> i think its the voodoo 3 pci
[07:41] <nickrud> DBO, I used a voodoo3 for many years, and there are many issues
[07:41] <nickrud> sflash, what intel onboard do you have?
[07:42] <sflash> i couldnt tell you, i know that it stinks :)
[07:42] <nickrud> heh
[07:42] <sflash> its a pentium 2 celeron
[07:42] <sflash> a sony
[07:42] <nickrud> that's ok, I'm no prude
[07:42] <DBO> sflash, thats ok, the voodoo 3 stinks just as much for 2d work anyhow
[07:42] <sflash> maybe i should pull the card out
[07:43] <sflash> use the onboard video card, im just using it as a media server
[07:43] <DBO> sflash, can you try putting the monitor into the integrated video port and see what you get
[07:43] <DBO> nickrud, I had 2 Voodoo 2's in SLI for gaming back in the day =)
[07:43] <sflash> when i put the monitor in that slot, nothing shows on the monitor, i think the voodoo card takes over
[07:43] <nickrud> sflash, you're probably right, pull the voodoo ;(
[07:44] <sflash> ok, i will give that  a shot first
[07:44] <DBO> sflash, make sure onboard video is enabled in BIOS first!
[07:44] <sflash> ok
[07:44] <sflash> ill try it now, let you guys know in a sec
[07:45] <nickrud> DBO, if you're voodoo knowledgeable, please critique the voodoo page in the wiki
[07:45] <DBO> nickrud, never ran voodoo's in linux...
[07:46] <nickrud> heh. No one will take it on ...
[07:46] <DBO> nickrud, remember the fabled voodoo 6 5000?  *drools*
[07:46] <sflash> it was set up to run the voodoo cards bios first
[07:46] <sflash> i just changed that, gave it a restart now
[07:46] <nickrud> fabled, yes. I read the specs :)
[07:47] <nickrud> not my first brush with vapor ware, not nearly
[07:48] <tapox> How often are packages in Dapper upgraded? Is there a set schedule?
[07:48] <DBO> ah vapor ware... Windows 95... Windows 98... Windows ME... Windows 2000... XP... and soon to be Vista
[07:48] <sflash> it works now, i actually had another machine running ubuntu a while ago with a voodoo 3 card and it worked fine, but it was AGP
[07:48] <DBO> tapox, all the time really, no schedule though
[07:49] <tapox> DBO: Ahh, thanks. I just wanted to know if I should just upgrade on a weekly basis or something more sane.
[07:49] <Hobbsee> tapox: after release?  they're not, unless there's security updates, or major updates needed so an app will function
[07:49] <googler> is it a the time to upgrade to Dapper or i should wait till it officially released?
[07:49] <tapox> sflash: How did you get the 3DFx card working?
[07:49] <tapox> Hobbsee: No, during beta.
[07:50] <Hobbsee> tapox: less upgrades now..
[07:50] <sflash> fairies and pixie dust :)
[07:50] <DBO> googler, wait please
[07:50] <tapox> googler: Don't use it on an absolutely vital system. But aside from that, I'd need to say it beats the pants off of Breezy.
[07:50] <sflash> no im joking
[07:50] <sflash> it worked on first install, but it was in a terrible video mode
[07:51] <sflash> i think i found a linux driver or something and got it to work
[07:51] <googler> thanx DBO, tapox
[07:51] <tapox> sflash: I tried pixie dust, prayer, holy water, exorcism, voodoo, and barry white music and it wouldn't work.
[07:51] <DBO> tapox, sounds like my dating life
[07:51] <tapox> sflash: Ohhh, you're not talking about hardware acceleration. Nevermind.
[07:52] <sflash> oh yeah, didnt bother trying that
[07:52] <tapox> DBO: I take it the exorcism didn't go well with her?
[07:52] <FliesLikeABrick> if I want to make an icon on the desktop to do the equivalent of the command "sudo umount /mnt/ipod" how would I be able to do that such that they'd be prompted to enter their password?
[07:52] <DBO> tapox, my girlfriend didnt mind... it was that I was trying it on a different girl that bugged her
[07:52] <sflash> is there any good GUI you guys recommend, i like the Kubuntu one. but is there any other really good ones out there?
[07:52] <tapox> FliesLikeABrick: gksu is the command you're looking for.
[07:52] <FliesLikeABrick> thanks tapox
[07:53] <slackern> tapox: haha, darn sounds like something is really wrong :P
[07:53] <slackern> tapox: thought barry white would fix it easily :p
[07:53] <sflash> im going to be using it as a media server to hold music and uh hum... share stuff
[07:53] <DBO> sflash, some people really like fluxbox for simple low memory stuff
[07:54] <DBO> sflash, considering your system specs, you may wish to check out XFCE
[07:54] <luke> hello?
[07:54] <DBO> hello
[07:54] <sflash> ok
[07:54] <luke> will running a proxy on my machine make my browsing faster?
[07:54] <tapox> luke: no.
[07:54] <sflash> is it hard to install GUIs?
[07:54] <DBO> one command
[07:54] <sflash> or is there a manager on it
[07:54] <sflash> ok
[07:55] <luke> tapox, doesnt it cache sites or something?
[07:55] <slackern> luke: if you are on dialup or something it might speed things up caching images and such if you use a caching proxy
[07:55] <DBO> luke, a caching proxy like squid could theoretically improve very slow connections...
[07:55] <amphi> luke: not much faster than using a text-mode browser ;)
[07:55] <tapox> luke: Yeah, but there's basically no advantage over your browser's built in cache. Certain proxies, called web accelerators will do the trick by clever routing and image compression, but they're mostly for Windows.
[07:56] <luke> thanks guys
[07:56] <amphi> luke: dnsmasq helps a bit
[07:56] <amphi> luke: speeds up dns lookups
[07:56] <sflash> i went for a couple interviews over at a real cool company that was all linux
[07:56] <tapox> luke: I suggest installing a Firefox extension called 'Fasterfox' if you're running FF.
[07:56] <sflash> didnt get the job but now im going to try to get super into it
[07:57] <tapox> I'd like to get a job as a superhero
[07:57] <sflash> all linux, PHP, mysql
[07:57] <sflash> 300 employees
[07:57] <luke> tapox: dling it now
[07:57] <tapox> but something or one has to bite me, or I need to get zapped by something first.
[07:57] <sflash> its nice to see stuff like that out there
[07:58] <tapox> luke: Are you under broadband or dialup?
[07:59] <luke> tapox: broadband
[07:59] <tapox> luke: okay, then the defaults will work just fine.
[08:02] <tapox> goodnight all
[08:11] <caleb> hello all
[08:11] <HunterZ> hi
[08:12] <caleb> What's up?
[08:12] <linux_galore> dont install fasterfox is breaks things on both sides, so much so some server block it
[08:12] <DBO> fasterfox has a user friendly mode
[08:12] <DBO> erm, server friendly I mean
[08:13] <linux_galore> yeah but the servers just ignore it now so its a total wast if time
[08:13] <linux_galore> of*
[08:13] <caleb> I'm having trouble getting Thunderbird to retrieve messages from Gmail. It won't connect to the server at all.
[08:13] <luke> i wasnt recieving any noticable benefit so i just disabled it
[08:13] <linux_galore> in fact my tests show its slower now than not having it active
[08:14] <alexcamilo> fixed my problem. damm clock was set to 1904
[08:14] <alexcamilo> gnome wouldnt start
[08:14] <DBO> alexcamilo, mmmm sounds like dead CMOS battery
[08:15] <linux_galore> lol
[08:15] <slackern> alexcamilo: hehe thats when windows wrapped the world in time capsule, you just broke out of it :p
[08:15] <alexcamilo> mmm the perils of digging an old comp out of the closit
[08:15] <alexcamilo> closet*
[08:16] <linux_galore> alexcamilo: im my dad we didnt have these fancy fangled computers we had to use finger in my day, the smart kids were the ones with 11 fingers
[08:16] <linux_galore> s/dad/day/
[08:16] <alexcamilo> lol
[08:16] <DBO> in my day we didnt have fingers
[08:16] <DBO> we had toes, two two toes and a nose
[08:16] <alexcamilo> i did everything. xorg conf. reinstall
[08:16] <alexcamilo> twice
[08:16] <DBO> and we had to share the nose!
[08:16] <alexcamilo> lol
[08:16] <Madpilot> Monty Python re-enactments can go to #ubuntu-offtopic, I think...
[08:16] <DBO> s/two two/two
[08:16] <sflash> so i got it to boot and install, edubuntu loads instead of ubuntu
[08:17] <sflash> but i installed this iso ubuntu-5.10-install-i386
[08:17] <DBO> sorry Madpilot, I just... had to do it
[08:17] <DBO> sflash, thats no worry, edubuntu is mostly just an art pack
 it was the fashion in those days to wear a dead penguin in your belt </voice>
[08:17] <sflash> ok
[08:18] <alexcamilo> can i use apt get to install it on ppc?
[08:18] <Madpilot> DBO, further pythonisms will have a large wooden rabbit thrown at them, forcing you to run away!
[08:18] <sflash> ok, im gonna give xfce a try now
[08:18] <scabootssca> hey how do i install a .deb package?
[08:18] <alexcamilo> sorry. can i use apt-get to install edububtu software on a ppc running ubuntu 5.10
[08:18] <Hobbsee> !tell scabootssca about deb
[08:18] <DBO> sudo apt-get install edubuntu-desktop <--- alexcamilo
[08:19] <nomin> is there a program besides mythtv that can record from a tv card?
[08:19] <linux_galore> sflash: stand 5 feet from the computer when you do it, that way the bright flash wont hurt your eyes, then again the massive heat wave will do some damage
[08:19] <purrdeta> is anyone here?
[08:19] <DBO> just us mice
[08:19] <purrdeta> lol
[08:19] <linux_galore> DBO: want to swap some cheese
[08:20] <amphi> purrdeta: no
[08:20] <DBO> linux_galore, we are going to get kicked if we keep the OT up...
[08:20] <linux_galore> there all out
[08:20] <linux_galore> and no one has asked anything
[08:21] <alexcamilo> cool
[08:21] <linux_galore> had a great idea on a revenue stream for Ubuntu
[08:21] <alexcamilo> thnx
[08:22] <DBO> linux_galore, #ubuntu-offtopic for the get rich quick schemes
[08:22] <linux_galore> I got the idea from the games industry
[08:22] <linux_galore> Im trying to figure out a way to give people legal codecs
[08:22] <linux_galore> but for free
[08:23] <linux_galore> and I saw this thing on Massive on how they raise revenue on in game advertising
[08:23] <linux_galore> the company just sold to M$ for $400 mil
[08:24] <linux_galore> why cant ubuntu advertise in the download manager so people can pay for the codecs by reading adverts as they download
[08:24] <Pimpshizzled> morning folks
[08:25] <amphi> linux_galore: drive everyone to apt-get, huh? ;)
[08:25] <linux_galore> amphi: they can use apt-get but the restricted legal codecs cant be downloaded unless you use the graphical package manager
[08:25] <amphi> linux_galore: pfft
[08:25] <DBO> linux_galore, that would be mighty hard to force on users...
[08:26] <linux_galore> amphi: yes but it makes this all legal
[08:26] <linux_galore> not if they get it all for free
[08:26] <amphi> linux_galore: I'm ok with it as it is
[08:26] <linux_galore> its like Free to air TV
[08:26] <Madpilot> adware is not "free"
[08:26] <DBO> seconded
[08:26] <linux_galore> Madpilot: neither are the codecs this is a compromise
[08:27] <linux_galore> well so its Ok were all breaking the law ??
[08:27] <DBO> linux_galore, tux makes no compromises, tux assimilates all until there are no more to be assimilated
[08:27] <kroiz> does the livecd for dapper has an install option?
[08:27] <Wizz_Kidd> can someone pastebin thier sources.list thing
[08:27] <linux_galore> kroiz: yes
[08:27] <Wizz_Kidd> i dont have access to to many files
[08:28] <linux_galore> Wizz_Kidd: use sudo
[08:28] <Wizz_Kidd> and what will that do
[08:28] <DBO> give you root privs
[08:28] <kroiz> thanx
[08:28] <Pimpshizzled> hey folks, does anybody know of a iso mounting program i can get for ubuntu?
[08:28] <linux_galore> Wizz_Kidd: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:28] <Wizz_Kidd> i meant access like not to much stuff in my repository
[08:28] <Wizz_Kidd> i know but what stuff do i add?
[08:28] <jojoman02> Wizz_Kidd: look at my PM
[08:28] <mikeb> Wizz_Kidd, give you access to the files you don't have access to ... der :P
[08:29] <I_Love_DRM> What a long hard day trying to take some space off a ntfs partition and give it to ubuntu - what a nightmare
[08:29] <linux_galore> I_Love_DRM: ntfs whats that
[08:29] <DBO> I_Love_DRM, ironic name to be in a linux chat room...
[08:29] <linux_galore> I_Love_DRM: :-P
[08:30] <amphi> linux_galore: can't say it bothers me much; it's only in the US it's illegal AFAIK
[08:30] <linux_galore> amphi: no mp3 is globally licenses so is decss
[08:30] <linux_galore> licensed*
[08:31] <amphi> linux_galore: the license may well not be enforceable in other jurisdictions
[08:31] <linux_galore> amphi: take the flash problem we have right now, bed adobe would give us the newest version in a flash if it was a revenue stream
[08:31] <linux_galore> bet*
[08:31] <amphi> linux_galore: AFAIK fraunhofer doesn't object to sw decoders, and encoders in source form can't be suppressed
[08:32] <amphi> linux_galore: I care not for flash
[08:32] <CokeNCode> good morning everyone, i just deleted a 6 gig file, using nautilus, but yet, nautilus is telling me i only have 2.4 gigs free, can anyone help me out ?
[08:32] <amphi> linux_galore: as for mp3, we have ogg vorbis
[08:32] <Dave|id> is there like a pci video card channel for debian / linux
[08:32] <linux_galore> amphi: many of the sites that young people use to communicate now use flash
[08:32] <amphi> linux_galore: too bad
[08:32] <linux_galore> amphi: thats avoiding the problem
[08:32] <slackern> CokeNCode: empty trashcan
[08:32] <amphi> it's not a problem for me
[08:33] <CokeNCode> slackern, now that you mention that, i don't see the trashcan on my desktop
[08:33] <linux_galore> amphi: yes and were all on this planet to serve you, pfft
[08:33] <CokeNCode> is there another way to access it ?
[08:33] <slackern> CokeNCode: check bottom bar on the right side.
[08:33] <amphi> linux_galore: if they care about freedom, they can use something else; if they don't, there are various commercial OSes with the support they want
[08:33] <I_Love_DRM> can someone tell me if downloading the gparted live cd is the right way to go to take a few gigs off my NTFS - ubuntu did something to my partitions and now partition magic fails to start saying the cylinders are wrong arghhh I tryed gparted in Ubuntu but it cant modify the NTFS as its in use when its not even mounted :(
[08:33] <linux_galore> amphi: they dont care, 80% of people dont care if a car has freedom attached to it they just want it to work
[08:34] <linux_galore> amphi: same with software
[08:34] <DBO> I_Love_DRM, no, you need to get something that can handle NTFS proper... which usually means Partition Magic
[08:34] <CokeNCode> oh great ... thanks :$
[08:34] <amphi> linux_galore: so let them use something else; for me, free sw is about, er, freedom
[08:34] <slackern> CokeNCode: no worries
[08:34] <linux_galore> amphi: if Linux becomes a revenue stream it makes companies dependent on Linux, when that happens we have control, right now we have nothing and we offer nothing
[08:35] <I_Love_DRM> Partition magic wont work anymore - after installing ubuntu it says "partition table error 108 found"
[08:35] <DBO> guys, this convo does need to go to offtopic
[08:35] <amphi> DBO: point taken
[08:35] <I_Love_DRM> Partition does not end on cylinder boundary
[08:35] <DBO> I_Love_DRM, hrm... no idea =(
[08:36] <linux_galore> I_Love_DRM: I use the Mandriva live CD to partition hardisks, it has a great partitioning tool called diskdrake (why can Ubuntu use it its GPL and Gnome based)
[08:36] <linux_galore> s/can/cant/
[08:36] <CokeNCode> linux_galore, since when was linux about controlling anything ? I thought it was about choice and freedom, and souce code!
[08:36] <DBO> linux_galore, does that handle NTFS resizing?
[08:36] <linux_galore> DBO: yes
[08:36] <DBO> CokeNCode, that discussion has been moved to #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:37] <CokeNCode> oh oops
[08:37] <amphi> I_Love_DRM: can you boot windows? if you can, then run windows fsck on the partition; I resized an ntfs partition with parted before with no problems (to my amazement)
[08:37] <DBO> amphi, I believe parted will drop any data that is at the end of the partition thats being resized (if any is there)
[08:37] <CokeNCode> i'm on a roll tonight ...
[08:37] <amphi> I_Love_DRM: if you run windows fsck (whatever it's called), parted should be happu
[08:37] <linux_galore> DBO: diskdrake is one of the best OO partitioning tools Ive seen, does "all" the Unix stuff and even the apple ones too
[08:38] <amphi> DBO: yeah, you have to compact the data to the beginning of the disk
[08:38] <I_Love_DRM> Ok ill try this tomorrow - I've stopped after 5 hours of trying because the laptops power unit blew up
[08:38] <linux_galore> DBO: and its 100% gpl
[08:38] <amphi> I_Love_DRM: heh
[08:38] <I_Love_DRM> So I thought I would get prepped with some ideas for tomorrow when I can get another adaptor
[08:39] <DBO> linux_galore, I dont see how it can be gpl and handle NTFS resizing (reliably) without captive NTFS...
[08:39] <suppaman> hello
[08:39] <linux_galore> DBO: doesnt use captive
[08:39] <DBO> captive NTFS of course means no NTFS resizing
[08:39] <DBO> erm, no GPL...
[08:39] <I_Love_DRM> I installed ntfstools first and it moved all data to start of the NTFS partition
[08:39] <DBO> dont ask me where my brain went...
[08:40] <DBO> linux_galore, without captive it is essentially trunkating the partition...
[08:40] <linux_galore> DBO: there are "legal" libs for resizing NTFS, there is even a Linux plugin made by the guys who created Partition magic to read and write to NTFS from Linux
[08:40] <amphi> DBO: I think it does it quite brutally - you have to run windows fsck afterwards, and it seems to figure out what happened, AFAIK
[08:40] <I_Love_DRM> If ubuntu can turn my laptop screen brightness down to save power and work with my atmel 802.11b I would use that standalone
[08:40] <DBO> amphi, its windows checkdisk, but yes =P
[08:41] <amphi> I_Love_DRM: that info you might find at linux-laptop.net or tuxmobil.org
[08:41] <I_Love_DRM> ok ill go have a look thanks
[08:41] <amphi> DBO: yeah, checkdisk
[08:43] <linux_galore> legally read/write to NTFS -> http://www.ntfs-linux.com/home/personal/faqs.htm
[08:43] <Dave|id> is there a console stream program for cameras
[08:43] <Dave|id> i use vgrabbj to capture images
[08:43] <DBO> linux_galore, thats not free
[08:43] <Dave|id> but i want a program to capture the stream and relay it to a websote
[08:44] <linux_galore> amphi: no I work in sales and engineering, legal issues are normal
[08:44] <amphi> linux_galore: in .us?
[08:44] <linux_galore> DBO: I know but Im showing it can be done legally
[08:44] <DBO> linux_galore, captive NTFS is legal so long as the user supplies the ntfs driver...
[08:44] <linux_galore> amphi: companies dont want to skirt around legal issues
[08:45] <linux_galore> DBO: actually its not legal
[08:45] <amphi> linux_galore: sure
[08:45] <DBO> linux_galore, transplanting the ntfs driver out of my windows drive is legal...
[08:45] <I_Love_DRM> Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger" - Is that just the name of ubuntu ? no different from the CD i was sent?
[08:45] <linux_galore> DBO: assisting anyone to infringe copyright is actually illegal
[08:45] <DBO> linux_galore, if you want to continue this topic, #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:46] <linux_galore> lol then dont make a statement you cant back up
[08:46] <amphi> linux_galore: that's why it's better to avoid proprietary junk
[08:46] <DBO> linux_galore, Im PERFECTLY willing to continue this in the offtopic channel
[08:46] <linux_galore> amphi: I do were I work is 100% proprietry free but I still have to know when Im free and legally so
[08:47] <I_Love_DRM> Now look what i've done - I shouldn't have come in here and said the N word :(
[08:48] <noiesmo> I have 2 harddrives and 2 linux installs have reinstalled now and then cant remember which install controls grub and want to only have one install on system, if i remove the partition with the grub info then I wont be able to reboot, how can i verify if its safe to remove other partitions and resize without loosing the grub mbr referances
[08:50] <defcon8> <--- ##linux
[08:50] <amphi> yeah, tardstrike
[08:50] <defcon8> rofl
[08:52] <sflash> i knew id run into some more problems and need your help
[08:53] <vmadmin> hey folks
[08:54] <green__> hello
[08:55] <vmadmin> wonder if this apt-get like lokks correct apt-get install loop-aes-utils module-assistant install loop-aes     looks a bit funny?
[08:55] <arunagirinathar> Hi all :)
[08:55] <green__> im new as of today to ubuntu and havent figured out much
[08:56] <vmadmin> lots of folks just joining?
[08:56] <arunagirinathar> ok - are MP3 and other propreitary codes available on APT ?
[08:56] <I_Love_DRM> im new as of this week :)
[08:56] <amphi> vmadmin: remove the second 'install' ;)
[08:57] <kyath> anyone know how i can install active x for wine
[08:57] <kameron> any sort of video editing software anyone would reccomend? i just want to chop off 20 minutes of video on either end of an avi.
[08:57] <vmadmin> amphi: thanks should that be a seperate command  it looks fromthe howto that its all on one line?
[08:58] <arunagirinathar> kameron, kino ?
[08:58] <jojoman02> arunagirinathar: they are if you enable multiverse and universe repos
[08:58] <bluefoxicy> Heads up people
[08:58] <bluefoxicy> Freenode has been compromised
[08:58] <kameron> arunagirinathar: thanks.
[08:58] <jojoman02> green__: i pm'ed you
[08:59] <bluefoxicy> Some dumbass is using ircop privileges to harass #wikipedia
[08:59] <jojoman02> green__: please respond
[08:59] <amphi> vmadmin: "apt-get install loop-aes-utils module-assistant loop-aes"
[08:59] <Hobbsee> bluefoxicy: tell them in #freenode
[08:59] <Madpilot> ubotu, tell arunagirinathar about mp3
[08:59] <bluefoxicy> If something weird starts happening, don't panic, it's just a retard.
[08:59] <kakashi> hi there! yesterday i already tried to solve a problem with my x-windows, because after loggin i only get a screen full of coloured stripes and no xwindows i even cant switch to textmode so could anyone help me?
[08:59] <bluefoxicy> Hobbsee:  they know already.
[08:59] <Hobbsee> ah okay
[08:59] <amphi> vmadmin: but 'loop-aes' should be 'loop-aes-source' I think
[08:59] <Madpilot> bluefoxicy, there are several ops active right now here...
[08:59] <amphi> bluefoxicy: ##linux just got hammered
[08:59] <bluefoxicy> ouch.
[09:00] <bluefoxicy> uh.
[09:00] <bluefoxicy> whew.
[09:00] <rajeev> can any one help me to get sound on my system
[09:00] <vmadmin> amphi : its here http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/03/13/1656228
[09:00] <Madpilot> bluefoxicy, was "reshxed" our idiot?
[09:00] <GTroy> I can't play any sound other than amarok, xmms, and system sounds
[09:00] <GTroy> anyone have any ideas what to do?
[09:01] <GTroy> crimsun, are you around?
[09:01] <Madpilot> !+sound
[09:01] <ubotu> Help to fix issues with sound can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[09:01] <bluefoxicy> Madpilot:  one.  I don't know how many there are, and whoever it is found a security hole in freenode's setup so uh.  Don't expect this to get sorted out too quickly.
[09:01] <dli> GTroy, to debug, " cat /proc/asound/cards "
[09:01] <GTroy> dli thanks
[09:01] <arunagirinathar> Madpilot, thanks - I know MP3 is a totally @#$&#%&*& format (compring flac - well I am not the only one who listens to songs on this network ....
[09:01] <kakashi> can someone help me with my tiny little problem? after i start xwindows i only get back a striped screen ...
[09:01] <rafael_> server /irc-gate.com
[09:01] <rafael_> sorry
[09:02] <dli> GTroy, do you see your sound card in  " cat /proc/asound/cards "
[09:02] <ghora-> i have the same problem than kakashi
[09:02] <GTroy> yeah, my ice1724 chaintech av710
[09:02] <tobmoox> yay 4 ircd!
[09:02] <kakashi> ghora- so lets solve it
[09:02] <ghora-> after installation I installed xserver-xorg
[09:02] <ghora-> then gdm
[09:02] <bluefoxicy> Madpilot:  I'm still wondering what the hole was :)
[09:02] <ghora-> then I wantede to start startx
[09:02] <amphi> vmadmin: try this ;) http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/81
[09:03] <bluefoxicy> Madpilot:  but it's 3AM and I have to sleep, I guess I can try to pry full details out of them tomorrow.
[09:03] <ghora-> and came back a fatal server error
[09:03] <ghora-> the ubuntu suggested me to install x-window-system
[09:03] <ghora-> I tried
[09:03] <ghora-> but couldnt
[09:03] <kakashi> ghora- i just installed the system and did nothing .... and got back that screen ... sooo
[09:03] <crimsun> GTroy: hi
[09:03] <vmadmin> amphi: did you look at the url i posted?
[09:03] <ghora-> could any one help me?
[09:03] <amphi> vmadmin: yes
[09:03] <vmadmin> amphi: ok
[09:03] <amphi> vmadmin: did you look at the url I posted? ;)
[09:03] <jayrod06> hi guys
[09:04] <vmadmin> amphi; i will now
[09:04] <GTroy> hey crimsun, would you be able to figure out why I can't get audio from any source other than xmms, amarok, and  system sounds?
[09:04] <jayrod06> quick question about kernels
[09:04] <crimsun> GTroy: meaning multiple sounds at once?
[09:04] <kakashi> ghora- i was told that the /etc/X11/xorg.conf (or you may have XF86config-4) file even though it exists is not really in tact ...
[09:04] <jayrod06> i have an athlon non xp and i was wondering whether or not to use i686 or k7 kernel
[09:04] <GTroy> no, just a chaintech av710
[09:04] <amphi> ghora-: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:04] <crimsun> GTroy: no, sounds from multiple programs at once
[09:05] <GTroy> nah, that doesn't bother me
[09:05] <arunagirinathar> bye - got some B I G Downloads to do ....
[09:05] <kakashi> ampi- doesnt work
[09:05] <kyath> has anyone her got quake4 working on their ubuntu system
[09:05] <arunagirinathar> so long
[09:05] <kakashi> ampi- you get back an error message
[09:05] <jayrod06> anyone?
[09:05] <crimsun> GTroy: so /only/ xmms, amarok, and system sounds work? aplay doesn't work?
[09:05] <arunagirinathar> ............ t h a n k s ..............
[09:05] <amphi> kakashi: I do?
[09:05] <DBO> kyath, yeap, works wonderfully (so long as Im not in Xgl)
[09:05] <ghora-> amphi thx
[09:05] <jojoman02> jayrod06: use i686
[09:05] <GTroy> crimsun, flash, realplayer 10 doesn't play any sounds
[09:05] <rajeev> hello any one there i m not getting sound on my system its says No volume control elements and/or devices found... so plz any one suggest me what to do??
[09:05] <kakashi> ampi- telling xserver-xorg wasnt configured
[09:05] <vmadmin> amphi; ok thanks but what to do if i have followed the url  i sent you?
[09:05] <kyath> DBO: u using wine to play it?
[09:05] <DBO> kyath, native install
[09:06] <kakashi> amphi- i got the same problem as ghora-
[09:06] <crimsun> GTroy: flash applets/movie via firefox?
[09:06] <jayrod06> k7 has no advantage over i686?
[09:06] <GTroy> exactly crimsun
[09:06] <amphi> kakashi: that command is to configure it
[09:06] <crimsun> GTroy: what if you wrap it with ``aoss firefox''?
[09:06] <kyath> i was wondering if u can use wine to play it
[09:06] <kane77> what are the alternatives for gdesklets... because they seem to be killing my resources...
[09:06] <GTroy> crimsun what's that?
[09:06] <DBO> k7 supports 3dnow if you have a AMD processor jayrod06
[09:06] <dli> GTroy, do you see your card in " alsamixer " ?
[09:06] <amphi> vmadmin: dunno - you clearly had problems with it ;) try following the d-a one
[09:06] <crimsun> GTroy: you need to have alsa-oss from universe installed.
[09:07] <jayrod06> the synaptec description reads k7 for athlon, i686 for pentium 4
[09:07] <GTroy> I see my card in alsamixer
[09:07] <czr> i686 is for pentium pro actually
[09:07] <jayrod06> is k7 also optimized for anything i686 is optimized for?
[09:07] <GTroy> crimsun, i'll install it
[09:07] <kakashi> amphi: yeah i know ... but im trying since yesterday and this did not really work ...
[09:07] <crimsun> jayrod06: since k7 is 686-class, yes
[09:07] <fogos> hi... somebody have flash player 8 installed?
[09:07] <DBO> jayrod06, what proc do you have
[09:07] <czr> crimsun, actually you're wrong
[09:08] <jojoman02> fogos, no flash player 8 for linux afaik
[09:08] <rajeev>  hello any one there i m not getting sound on my system its says No volume control elements and/or devices found... so plz any one suggest me what to do??
[09:08] <jayrod06> AMD Athlon 1.3 ghz non xp
[09:08] <vmadmin> amphi  yes a litlle because apt-get source file does not let me install some packages i have to do dpkg -i
[09:08] <czr> enabling k7 optimizations make gcc select other schedulings for instructions, which are not as good on other processors as on ahtlon cores
[09:08] <DBO> jayrod06, yeah, get 686
[09:08] <amphi> kakashi: are you trying to use some non-free driver?
[09:08] <rajeev>  hello any one there i m not getting sound on my system its says No volume control elements and/or devices found... so plz any one suggest me what to do??
[09:08] <fogos> jojoman02, only we can do is wait by now?
[09:08] <DBO> jayrod06, k7 is for XP and 64 bit
[09:08] <czr> however, one wont notice any differences. just use i686
[09:08] <amphi> vmadmin: huh?
[09:08] <Madpilot> ubotu, tell rajeev about sound
[09:08] <dli> GTroy, okay, unmute, and increase volume for all in alsamixer
[09:08] <fogos> jojoman02, for the 8.5 release for linux
[09:08] <jayrod06> alright i686 it is then
[09:08] <kakashi> amphi: what do you mean with this ... im sorry my English is not the best ...
[09:09] <jayrod06> thanks guys
[09:09] <dli> GTroy, after that, " aplay /dev/urandom "
[09:09] <green__> im guessing im not here
[09:09] <jojoman02> fogos: what you need flash 8 for anyhow, most website are still using 7
[09:09] <jojoman02> green__: i'm gonna pm you
[09:09] <amphi> kakashi: a binary driver like nvidia or fglrx for ati, not an xorg driver
[09:09] <jayrod06> 8.5 isnt out yet is it?
[09:09] <jayrod06> maybe a beta
[09:09] <crimsun> czr: um, what are you talking about?
[09:09] <fogos> jojoman02, youtube, and for demos of www.salesforces.com
[09:09] <jojoman02> i saw a tutorial
[09:09] <czr> crimsun, about optimization settings for gcc more or less
[09:09] <jojoman02> you can use 7.5 with youtube
[09:09] <jojoman02> i am using it
[09:09] <vmadmin> amphi  ok I have got to the part i told you about at first how to proceed is it one line or two the apt-get line
[09:10] <jojoman02> want the binaries for breezy i can give it to you
[09:10] <czr> crimsun, about different microcore-schedulings
[09:10] <kakashi> amphi: i just installed the system
[09:10] <crimsun> czr: his question asked whether k7 is optimised for everything 686 is. Another way to read that question is "Do 686 optimisations work on k7?"
[09:10] <jojoman02> just extract to .mozilla/plugins/
[09:10] <amphi> kakashi: what vidoe card do you have?
[09:10] <kakashi> amphi: ATI 9200SE Radeon
[09:10] <linux_galore> isnt a K7 i586 not i686
[09:10] <czr> crimsun, could be :-). I understood it differently though :-)
[09:10] <fogos> jojoman02, im on dapper, but when i enter at youtube , display a old version flash player message
[09:11] <dli> linux_galore, k7 > i686
[09:11] <czr> k7 as an ISA is superset of i686 (gcc-wise)
[09:11] <kakashi> amphi: before this i had 9800PRo and it worked just fine
[09:11] <ghora-> amphi
[09:11] <DBO> linux_galore, K7 = 686 + 3DNow
[09:11] <ghora-> [09:08]  <ghora-> fatal server error again
[09:11] <ghora-> [09:08]  <ghora-> no screens found
[09:11] <jojoman02> i saw a tutorial for 8.5 in linux but uses wine and windows version of firefox / flash
[09:11] <amphi> kakashi: that should be fully supported by the xorg radeon driver
[09:11] <crimsun> czr: precisely, which is why all 686 optimisations are subsumed in k7.
[09:11] <czr> however that doesn't mean that optimizing for k7 will make the core run faster on i686. it will just make a difference on k7. on other microcores it might/will result in slower code
[09:11] <jojoman02> fogos: see if these files i'm about to send you work
[09:11] <jayrod06> in you guys' experience which ati driver is better, the ubuntu or ati.com driver
[09:11] <GTroy> crimsun I get major static
[09:11] <linux_galore> just I had a K7 machine at work years ago and I remember some issues with the i686 stuff so swapped the flag to i586
[09:11] <czr> crimsun, they're not. if you actually read the RTL-specs of gcc
[09:12] <crimsun> czr: no, the question of k7 optimisations running on 686 has nothing to do with his question.
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[09:12] <scottt106> anyone here good with wireless NIC drivers?
[09:12] <trogg> LOL
[09:12] <trogg> ACSII
[09:12] <kakashi> amphi: i was told that the XF86config-4 file would be corrupt or something like this
[09:12] <DBO> jayrod06, the ati driver is the only one that supports 3D for you
[09:12] <Hobbsee> trogg: ?
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[09:12] <amphi> kakashi: what driver are you using? use the xorg radeon driver
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[09:12] <Viscid> I figured I'd find you in here, trogg.
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[09:12] <DBO> ??
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[09:12] <linux_galore> kick time
[09:12] <Hobbsee> grrr...too slow!
[09:12] <DBO> hehe
[09:12] <kane77> what are the alternatives for gdesklets... because they seem to be killing my resources...
[09:12] <foldingstock> lol
[09:12] <Innocuous> ?
[09:13] <jojoman02> fogos: i sent you the file
[09:13] <linux_galore> kane77: thats normal
[09:13] <amphi> Hobbsee: #linux still being trashed?
[09:13] <tobmoox> are they done attacking yet?
[09:13] <tobmoox> oop this ones getting attacked yay
[09:13] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i was getting there :P
[09:13] <fogos> jojoman02, yes thanks
[09:13] <vmadmin> amphi: ok its it all one line please as in apt-get install loop-aes-utils module-assistant install loop-aes if so i will pastebin what i get
[09:13] <kane77> amphi, so i was wondering if there was somethig "lighter"
[09:13] <scottt106> anyone here good with wireless NIC drivers?
[09:13] <amphi> kane77: ?
[09:13] <linux_galore> kane77: only other option is to find an app that does the job properly
[09:13] <amphi> scottt106: just ask your question
[09:13] <DBO> crimsun, Hobbsee, you guys do realize he has rejoined the channel already...
[09:13] <Hobbsee> amphi: got no idea
[09:14] <kakashi> amphi: i dont really know what driver i am using .. im new to ubuntu ... but i have to use the basic drivers and while the install my video card was recognised correctly
[09:14] <Hobbsee> DBO: yeah, he got quieted...
[09:14] <linux_galore> gdesklets == superkaramba on kde
[09:14] <DBO> Hobbsee, I see =)
[09:14] <kane77> amphi, but something not so resource needy...
[09:14] <amphi> kane77: I'm not sure what you're talking about
[09:14] <Hobbsee> DBO: that's what the % in front meant...
[09:14] <jojoman02> fogos: you gonna accept??
[09:14] <DBO> Hobbsee, ah...
[09:15] <scottt106> ok :)  i'm trying to install and configure the prism2 drivers for my usb wireless NIC.  i got it working following a tutorial, up until i restart or unplug the NIC, in which case I lose my connection, any ideas?
[09:15] <kane77> amphi, something that doesn't need so many resources...
[09:15] <jayrod06> dang, flash 8.5/9 isnt available for linux yet, not even first beta
[09:15] <crimsun> czr: anyhow, before that interruption, I'm referring more to the kernel
[09:15] <amphi> kane77: _what_ something>
[09:15] <amphi> ?
[09:15] <linux_galore> gdesklets and superkaramba both are resource hogs, one of the reasons I never use it
[09:15] <GTroy> crimsun, good job so far, I've got sound, but it's really really choppy
[09:15] <crimsun> GTroy: known issue, not much can be done about it.
[09:15] <amphi> kane77: a system monitor?
[09:15] <vmadmin> amphi: did you see my post?
[09:15] <kane77> amphi, i was talking about gdesklets
[09:15] <czr> crimsun, kernel is compiled by gcc :-). so it's an gcc-issue really :-)
[09:15] <jojoman02> +flash
[09:15] <amphi> kane77: gkrellm perhaps? torsmo?
[09:15] <linux_galore> kane77: use gkrellm
[09:15] <crimsun> czr: I'm referring to the inline asm
[09:15] <GTroy> crimsun, will new hardware fix this?
[09:16] <amphi> kane77: I only wanted a noun ;)
[09:16] <crimsun> GTroy: doubtful.
[09:16] <linux_galore> kane77: also gnome and kde have system monitor applets you can leave on your taskbar
[09:16] <kane77> linux_galore, amphi, thanx...
[09:16] <jayrod06> yeah, my question was, is there any reason to go from i686 to k7 on a non xp amd athlon
[09:16] <jayrod06> to clarify
[09:17] <GTroy> crimsun, how far away do you think a fix will be/
[09:17] <CokeNCode> hey, where can i find a winamp clone that allows me to listen to the streaming online radio stations ?
[09:17] <GTroy> ?
[09:17] <GTroy> sorry for all the questions crimsun
[09:17] <crimsun> GTroy: no idea
[09:17] <DBO> jayrod06, you are running a Thunderbird correct?
[09:17] <vmadmin> amphi: can we sort this out please is this one line apt-get install loop-aes-utils module-assistant install loop-aes
[09:17] <amphi> ghora-: you have the same video card as kakashi?
[09:17] <GTroy> thank you crimsun
[09:17] <linux_galore> CokeNCode: amarok does streaming  and theres also streamtuned  thats very simple
[09:17] <jayrod06> @DBO yep
[09:17] <amphi> vmadmin: I gave you a url with instructions that work
[09:18] <jayrod06> 3dnow is enabled
[09:18] <amphi> vmadmin: I know they work because I used that page to set up an encrypted loopback fs
[09:18] <DBO> jayrod06, I believe thunderbirds are k6-3's, but I could be all wrong here, and that XP's are k7, and 64's are k8...  which means you would want the 686 kernel
[09:18] <ghora-> amphi I dunno what kakashi has..
[09:18] <vmadmin> amphi: yes but if i start to follow that and i am in the middle of another i couls screw up badly!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:18] <CokeNCode> linux_galore, thanks
[09:18] <ghora-> I have ati radeon 9250..
[09:18] <scottt106> ok :)  i'm trying to install and configure the prism2 drivers for my usb wireless NIC.  i got it working following a tutorial, up until i restart or unplug the NIC, in which case I lose my connection.  any ideas, or is this better to ask in the forums?
[09:19] <amphi> vmadmin: but you aren't in the middle, you haven't installed the packages yet
[09:19] <CokeNCode> oh crap, amarok is for kde only
[09:19] <linux_galore> CokeNCode: streamtuned home page -> http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~moongies/streamtuned.html
[09:19] <CokeNCode> since when do ppl make apps for one specific gui ?
[09:19] <linux_galore> CokeNCode: dont have to install kde just the libs to make it work
[09:19] <linux_galore> CokeNCode: always
[09:19] <CokeNCode> oh k ...
[09:20] <amphi> ghora-: that isn't mentioned in man radeon, but I'd try with either the 'ati' or 'radeon' driver
[09:20] <DBO> jayrod06, just did some googling, thunderbird was the k7... go ahead and get the k7 core
[09:20] <DBO> sorry about the confusion
[09:20] <vmadmin> amphi: no thats true so please tell me where to start the on the url you sent I can go from that point
[09:20] <linux_galore> CokeNCode: you need a widget set to make anything graphical, in this case amarok selected QT
[09:20] <rajeev>  on my ubuntu system sound is not coming its shows the error msg as Registry is not present or it is corrupted, please update it by running gst-register can any one tell me what to do???
[09:20] <jayrod06> according to wikipedia k7 is "Codename for a generation of AMD CPUs, including the Athlon, Athlon XP, Duron, and certain very early Semprons"
[09:20] <linux_galore> CokeNCode: gnome uses GTK
[09:20] <mikeb> i like a consistant theme throughout the interface
[09:20] <czr> crimsun, which one exactly?
[09:20] <czr> there's not that much left. especially outside the smp-stuff
[09:21] <amphi> vmadmin: what?
[09:21] <DBO> jayrod06, yeah, thats right... my mistake.  I was off by a number, get the k7 kernel =)
[09:21] <seren> part
[09:21] <czr> jayrod06, it the current kernel works for you, use it. right?
[09:21] <jayrod06> last question. you guys have been helpful, i wont lose any i686 optimizations going to k7 right?
[09:21] <czr> jayrod06, unless your sysload is over 5.0 constantly you won't notice any difference in running i686-versions versus k7-version
[09:21] <mikeb> is there like a program that gives a kde app your current gtk theme look?
[09:21] <DBO> jayrod06, no, k7 contains all the 686 optimizations
[09:21] <jayrod06> thanks guys
[09:21] <spikeb> mikeb yes, there are theme engines that do that
[09:22] <Madpilot> mikeb, there's qtconfig, which tries to do that - does an OK but not perfect job. Install qt3-qtconfig
[09:22] <jayrod06> and its not really so much about spped increase as always wanting newest/greatest/bleeding edge whatever i can get my hands on
[09:22] <vmadmin> amphi: where to start from on the url you send please I at a certain point in the other url i sent you . I cannot start from the begining!!!!!!!!
[09:22] <CokeNCode> ok, weird, so developers have to design with either gnome and kde in mind ... but i guess most software will still work on both right?
[09:22] <spikeb> they don't work very well
[09:22] <spikeb> CokeNCode: yeah
[09:22] <amphi> vmadmin: I've got to go, but that d-a page explains what you need to do
[09:22] <mikeb> :(
[09:22] <mikeb> ok, thanks, i'll check it out
[09:22] <linux_galore> mikeb think it the other way around, gnome apps in kde, use the kde default themes, dont know of anything that does that in reverse, also many of the gnome themes are also in kde
[09:22] <vmadmin> amphi; yes ok but it does not help me
[09:23] <spikeb> mikeb another idea is to find a theme that is available for both kde and gnome
[09:23] <spikeb> such as bluecurve
[09:23] <mikeb> ok, i might do that instead
[09:23] <mikeb> thanks
[09:23] <jayrod06> thanks alot for theh elp guys
[09:23] <jayrod06> ill stay and chat though
[09:24] <spikeb> bluecurve is one, industrial/qindustrial is another
[09:24] <rajeev>  on my ubuntu system sound is not coming its shows the error msg as Registry is not present or it is corrupted, please update it by running gst-register
[09:24] <kakashi> amphi: so i just tried again to: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but the message back was, that xserver-xorg is not installed and i tried via man: sudo dpkg -i xserver-xorg and it did also not work so do you have any suggestions
[09:24] <linux_galore> on my kubuntu machine all the gnome apps use the kde theme, there is a plugin called  gtk-kde themer
[09:25] <linux_galore> so everything looks the same
[09:25] <spikeb> no, it just looks similar.
[09:25] <linux_galore> well the colours are the same icons are too because I use the same theme in both
[09:26] <linux_galore> also i use a file dialog app that makes gnome use konqueror's file selector
[09:27] <vmadmin> amphi: thanks for the page I will try to do it but I am new and although its pretty simple to follow i need to not make to many mistakes thanks for your help
[09:27] <jayrod06> i know this is an obviously dumb question on a linux irc, but would anyone know a general good amount of ram apple os x needs for optimal performance in basic use
[09:27] <sflash> i need to install extutils::PkgConfig for perl
[09:27] <disinterested_pe> ive got a question about ubuntu breezy badger
[09:27] <linux_galore> so i dont have this stupid problem were gnome and kde apps have different file dialog setups
[09:27] <sflash> how do you do that?
[09:27] <spikeb> linux_galore: now that sounds much like it
[09:27] <spikeb> much more like it, that is
[09:27] <crimsun> czr: minus the optimisations in streaming (lib/mmx.c)?
[09:27] <rajeev>  on my ubuntu system sound is not coming its shows the error msg as Registry is not present or it is corrupted, please update it by running gst-register
[09:28] <disinterested_pe> which gaim messenger do i download and how do u install it?
[09:28] <linux_galore> spikeb: kde only though
[09:28] <crimsun> disinterested_pe: Applications> Internet> Gaim?
[09:28] <spikeb> linux_galore: yeah, be nice if there was such a thing to make kde apps use the gtk file selector
[09:28] <DBO> jayrod06, my experience is anything less that 1GB will feel rather clunky (well actually I think OS X feels clunky all the time)
[09:28] <disinterested_pe> ok but it wont connect
[09:28] <linux_galore> when I open a file in Evolution running under kde it open the kde file dialog window not the Gnome one
[09:29] <spikeb> OSX is clunky
[09:29] <spikeb> that will probably go away in the next release, but apple's abominations to the HIG won't
[09:29] <linux_galore> spikeb: theres a slight lag though because it has to fool gnome that its not needed
[09:29] <vmadmin> amphi; the only diffrence is is that i have already installed the source you see your article is for debian as in sarge but mine is ubuntu specific
[09:30] <disinterested_pe> is that easy ubuntu helpfull?
[09:30] <DBO> disinterested_pe, for new users yes it is
[09:30] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: gaim should be installed already
[09:31] <disinterested_pe> well im about new as of today
[09:31] <rajeev>  on my ubuntu system sound is not coming its shows the error msg as Registry is not present or it is corrupted, please update it by running gst-register
[09:31] <jayrod06> so i should go with 2gb then i think
[09:31] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: gaim 2.0 has less features than the old version
[09:31] <disinterested_pe> it will not connect though any suggestions
[09:31] <DBO> jayrod06, you should get a real computer =)  but Im just bias...
[09:31] <jayrod06> well i need a laptop
[09:31] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: connect to what
[09:32] <jayrod06> and i dont feel linux (namely ubuntu) is ready for laptops yet
[09:32] <disinterested_pe> i keep getting a box that says connection failed
[09:32] <sflash> anyone know how to install pkgconfig ?
[09:32] <DBO> linux_galore, no, its lets you configure less of them, and beta3 brings back a lot of them as well as being generally less annoying
[09:32] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: connect to what gaim is multi protocol
[09:32] <disinterested_pe> h/o ill check it
[09:32] <jayrod06> and im worried that after i get an xp laptop that ubuntu wont support it well
[09:33] <jayrod06> and ill be stuck with xp
[09:33] <jayrod06> which would suck
[09:33] <linux_galore> DBO: tried 2.0 found it annoying and all my plugins have gone nuts
[09:33] <vmadmin> Is this line for apt-get all on ONE line or is it two lines?   apt-get install loop-aes-utils
[09:33] <vmadmin> module-assistant install loop-aes
[09:33] <disinterested_pe> it says authentication failed
[09:33] <DBO> jayrod06, check hardware compatibility before you buy =)
[09:33] <jayrod06> where
[09:33] <DBO> linux_galore, different strokes for different folks I suppose
[09:34] <DBO> !tell jayrod06 about hardware
[09:34] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: connect to what?? gaim doesnt connect to just one service it connects to a whole load of them
[09:34] <spikeb> there's also tuxmobil.org
[09:34] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: so what service are you trying to connect to
[09:34] <mmmiiikkkeee> :wq
[09:34] <mmmiiikkkeee> :q!
[09:34] <mmmiiikkkeee> exit
[09:34] <disinterested_pe> idk it says authentication failed
[09:34] <spikeb> mmmiiikkkeee: wrong window
[09:34] <lauri> Sou novato no linux. como fao pra instalar um programa pelo terminal
[09:34] <spikeb> heh
[09:34] <Verithrax> Is upgrading to beta Dapper worth it?
[09:35] <vmadmin> DBO: wnaan help?
[09:35] <DBO> Verithrax, wait for the final release unless you are very comfortable with linux
[09:35] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: what service are you trying to connect to gaim doest have a single connection setup
[09:35] <DBO> vmadmin, whats the issue?
[09:35] <spikeb> Verithrax: i'd wait
[09:35] <GTroy> DBO, I'm very comfortable with linux, but I'm waiting!!
[09:35] <sflash> im getting an error on installatn of a package. it says extutils::depends not installed, extUtils::PkgConfig not installed
[09:35] <Verithrax> I'm rather comfortable, since I used Slackware happily before switching to Ubuntu...
[09:35] <sflash> anyone know how to fix this?
[09:36] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: are you trying to connect to IRC ?? Yahoo AOL ?? Google ?? Jabber ??
[09:36] <DBO> vmadmin, thats two lines
[09:36] <spikeb> are you comfortable with crap breaking for no apparent reason?
[09:36] <lauri> How can i do to install a program using "terminal"?
[09:36] <stjepan> anyone uses mouse gestures?
[09:36] <disinterested_pe> idk which one its trying to use do i go to preferences to find that?
[09:36] <vmadmin> DBO: this apt-get line is it all on one line apt-get install loop-aes-utils module-assistant install loop-aes
[09:36] <GTroy> lauri, use the command sudo apt-get install
[09:36] <GTroy> then the app name
[09:36] <vmadmin> DBO: ok so the secound line is what?
[09:36] <Verithrax> spikeb, You don't have to be comfortable with Linux to be comfortable with that. Windows users seem to almost expecti t.
[09:37] <DBO> vmadmin, hold on a second please... I read it worng, let me look
[09:37] <spikeb> heh Verithrax
[09:37] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: then you setup your account you can select the service you want to use too
[09:37] <spikeb> Verithrax: there's a difference between what windows does, and what unstable/testing can do
[09:37] <disinterested_pe> ok how do i get back to acct setup?
[09:37] <[Spooky] > hm the ##Linux channel got nuked :(
[09:37] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: right click on the Gaim icon in the taskbar then select accounts
[09:37] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: click on add
[09:38] <Madpilot> [Spooky] , yeah, some attack on the network - it was more than just ##linux
[09:38] <disinterested_pe> its trying to connect to aim icq
[09:38] <lauri> GTroy, isnt necessary write the name of the program?
[09:38] <DBO> vmadmin, "sudo apt-get install loop-aes-utils loop-aes module-assistant" is what I think they want here
[09:38] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: what service do you have a registered account on
[09:38] <[Spooky] > Madpilot: ok :/
[09:38] <GTroy> lauri, if you didn't it wouldn't know what to install
[09:38] <disinterested_pe> ok ive got it now
[09:38] <disinterested_pe> lol
[09:39] <vmadmin> DBO: ok i will try that and gie you the pastebin if i need to
[09:39] <vmadmin> give
[09:39] <DBO> vmadmin, ok
[09:39] <DBO> vmadmin, have I helped you before or somesuch?
[09:39] <Verithrax> Hm, I dunno. Problem with upgrading is that I can't go back easily once I do.
[09:40] <disinterested_pe> i still get the same thing it says been disconnected
[09:40] <lauri> GTroy, thanks. Sorry but i'm using linux recently.
[09:40] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: what protocol
[09:40] <disinterested_pe> yahoo
[09:40] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: have you got an account Im on yahoo right now
[09:40] <disinterested_pe> yes
[09:40] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: in gaim
[09:40] <vmadmin> DBO: ye a while ago, you told me you like mount something its a coffee you drink or did drink
[09:40] <disinterested_pe> as of yesterday
[09:41] <Verithrax> When is the Dapper release planned for this week?
[09:41] <leverbes> is someone can explain me if thre laws to speak or can say what I want?
[09:41] <disinterested_pe> ive got e mail there
[09:41] <DBO> vmadmin, ah, well, did the command work? =)
[09:41] <disinterested_pe> idk
[09:41] <DBO> Verithrax, June 1st
[09:41] <vmadmin> DBO: just a sec
[09:41] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: ok the Screen Name is usually just your account name  not<EMAIL_ADDRESS>but Linux_Galore
[09:42] <Verithrax> I guess I can wait a couple of weeks.
[09:42] <disinterested_pe> ok yeah i didnt put in linux galore
[09:42] <spikeb> heh
[09:42] <GTroy> crimsun, still around?
[09:42] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: that my account name lol
[09:42] <crimsun> GTroy: hi
[09:43] <GTroy> no sound from right speaker
[09:43] <disinterested_pe> yeah i see
[09:43] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: have to use your own
[09:43] <CokeNCode> hey, what's the difference between dapper and breezy
[09:43] <CokeNCode> i never got that ... :S
[09:43] <crimsun> GTroy: enocontext
[09:43] <disinterested_pe> right i used my sn from yahoo
[09:43] <linux_galore> CokeNCode: bit like a new care, more refined less bugs
[09:43] <Madpilot> CokeNCode, Breezy is the current stable; Dapper is current development version
[09:43] <linux_galore> car*
[09:44] <Madpilot> Dapper will become stable in about two weeks - June 1st
[09:44] <lauri> GTroy,I installed Linux UBUNTU in my pc and I'm fascinated with it.
[09:44] <spikeb> it'll be declared stable :P
[09:44] <crimsun> spikeb: about as stable as its users.
[09:44] <stjepan> do you know any quick ways of starting applications, like mouse gestures?
[09:44] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: once your in click on tools -> room list
[09:44] <sflash> im trying to install ExtUtils::Depends and it says that it cant do the makefile
[09:44] <CokeNCode> Madpilot, ok, thanks. But, eventually, breezy will be upgraded to dapper. once dapper has been refined right? it's just a matter of how "cutting edge" you wanna keep your distro
[09:44] <Verithrax> Gnome deskbar, stjepan.
[09:44] <GTroy> after you got sound working (sort of) for flashplayer, it stopped the sound from working on the right speaker on xmms
[09:44] <stjepan> Verithrax, tnx
[09:45] <CokeNCode> At first i thought one was a lighter version ... for servers ... or something like that.
[09:45] <vmadmin> DBO take a look http://pastebin.ca/57497
[09:45] <disinterested_pe> i cant install that easyubuntu either and havent got bios in or even know if ur m.b. uses bios with ubuntu
[09:45] <GTroy> crimsun, prolly an easy fix
[09:45] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: Im in Linux, FreeBSD Solaris:1
[09:45] <Madpilot> CokeNCode, if you're runnign Breezy right now, you'll be able to upgrade in place - dist-upgrade - right to Dapper
[09:45] <crimsun> GTroy: zero the mixer levels using alsamixer or envy24control, and turn them up again.
[09:45] <GTroy> ok
[09:45] <DBO> vmadmin, "sudo apt-get install loop-aes module-assistant" is what I think they want here
[09:45] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: doesnt matter Linux dumps the bios stuff when it loads
[09:45] <disinterested_pe> ok ty
[09:46] <disinterested_pe> ive really got no clue about this yet
[09:46] <vmadmin> DBO: take a look http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/03/13/1656228
[09:46] <vmadmin> DBO: its about half way down
[09:46] <disinterested_pe> so how do i need to install easyubuntu?
[09:47] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: neither did I 8 years ago and it was harder back then
[09:47] <DBO> vmadmin, "sudo apt-get install loop-aes module-assistant" and tell me any error output =)
[09:47] <disinterested_pe> i can imagine
[09:47] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: you dont install it you run it
[09:47] <GTroy> crimsun, no change
[09:47] <disinterested_pe> i cant imagine what it was like in what 1969
[09:48] <disinterested_pe> ok but i cant find it lol
[09:48] <crimsun> GTroy: which element(s) did you adjust? pastebin ``amixer'' output
[09:48] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: follow the howto
[09:48] <linux_galore> http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/get.html
[09:48] <disinterested_pe> theres a folder on my desktop easyubuntu but it wont do anything
[09:49] <sflash> can you install rpm files on ubuntu?
[09:49] <DBO> its risky
[09:49] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: you need to unpack it, its a zip file
[09:49] <nalioth> sflash: you can, but you are likely to break something
[09:49] <sflash> thats not good to hear
[09:49] <disinterested_pe> its extracted
[09:50] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: have to open a terminal
[09:50] <DBO> vmadmin, "sudo apt-get install module-assistant" forget aes, you already have it
[09:50] <disinterested_pe> ok opening
[09:50] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: in the graphical file mananger highlight the path to the file with the mouse
[09:50] <GTroy> crimsun, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14373
[09:50] <DBO> sflash, if you need to, as an ABSOLUTE last resort (after compile from source), you can try alien, and only if you are willing to risk breaking things
[09:51] <sflash> im just wondering why i cant install a perl package
[09:51] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: actually just open a terminal
[09:51] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: once its unpacked
[09:51] <sflash> ive tried command line and everything install. nothing seems to work
[09:51] <linux_galore> cd Desktop/easyubuntu
[09:52] <crimsun> GTroy: did you use alsamixer or envy24control?
[09:52] <vmadmin> DBO: module-assistant is already the newsest version
[09:52] <disinterested_pe> idk what ur talking about graphical terminal
[09:52] <GTroy> alsamixer
[09:52] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: yeah a command line terminal
[09:52] <DBO> vmadmin, then you are good to go, just ignore that part, you have everything installed
[09:52] <crimsun> GTroy: use envy24control
[09:52] <disinterested_pe> ok thats open
[09:52] <nomin> does anyone in here have mythtv installed and running?
[09:52] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: now you unpacked it on the desktop right
[09:53] <disinterested_pe> in file browser yeah
[09:53] <DBO> nomin, the hard part is getting your card working, whats the issue?
[09:53] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: ok lets change to the easyubuntu directory that was created when we unpacked it
[09:53] <GTroy> crimsun, how do I open it up?
[09:53] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: type  cd  Desktop/easyubuntu
[09:54] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: cd - change directory
[09:54] <vmadmin> DBO: thanks a lot  now before i go --the line dd if=/dev/zero of=/location/of/file bs=4k count=2560  if i want to do the whole partition how would this line change ?
[09:54] <disinterested_pe> h/o it says my
[09:54] <sflash> how can you run a rpm file? you have to make it?
[09:54] <disinterested_pe> repositories need to be modified b4 proceeding
[09:54] <DBO> erm... you would end up blanking your entire drive if you did the whole partition vmadmin
[09:54] <crimsun> you'd invoke envy24control
[09:55] <crimsun> !info alsa-tools-gui
[09:55] <nalioth> sflash: no, you use alien (if you absolutely cannot find the software in an ubuntu form)
[09:55] <GTroy> won't work
[09:55] <nomin> DBO, I don't think I know what I'm doing, that's the issue.  Do I need to configure mysql before doing anything with mythtv?
[09:55] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: yep thats normal
[09:55] <crimsun> GTroy: are you running dapper or breezy?
[09:55] <GTroy> breezy
[09:55] <disinterested_pe> ok let me type in the stuff u posted
[09:55] <I_Love_DRM> Ok I downloaded GParted live CD and now its on 'Scanning all devices" and wont change
[09:55] <vmadmin> DBO: ok so do it a bit at a time
[09:55] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: needs to add some repositories so it can get the packages
[09:55] <I_Love_DRM> :(
[09:55] <crimsun> GTroy: ah, then you'd have to compile it.
[09:55] <DBO> nomin, what card?
[09:55] <ironwires> .
[09:55] <overflow-1> iPod video query: how can one transfer images to an ipod in linux. GTKPod doesn't seem to do it for me.
[09:55] <GTroy> :(
[09:55] <GTroy> brb
[09:55] <DBO> vmadmin, is it your boot drive you are doing this to?
[09:55] <nalioth> I_Love_DRM: so why aren't you in #gparted ?
[09:56] <I_Love_DRM> thx - im new to this server
[09:56] <I_Love_DRM> its empty :(
[09:56] <disinterested_pe> do i hit enter after the first line?
[09:56] <I_Love_DRM> Since its part of ubuntu I thought it would be relevant?
[09:56] <mormoloc> can any of you give me the instructruction for compiling Valknut?
[09:56] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: were are you, have you run the program ??
[09:57] <mormoloc> Valknut site is dead
[09:57] <DBO> vmadmin, your walkthrough there is to create an encrypted file locker so to speak, NOT to encrypt your entire filesystem
[09:57] <nomin> DBO:  Hauppauge winTV-GO-Plus (Bt878)
[09:57] <disinterested_pe> no i typed the cd desktop easyubuntu commanmd
[09:57] <vmadmin> DBO: iok
[09:57] <DBO> nomin, i think you are going to need to get IVTV for that, have you gotten and built the IVTV module?
[09:57] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: disinterested_pe  cd Desktop/easybuntu  > exactly like that
[09:58] <disinterested_pe> yes
[09:58] <disinterested_pe> now enter?
[09:58] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: yes
[09:58] <disinterested_pe> ok
[09:58] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: type pwd
[09:58] <nomin> DBO: no.  I just learned about ivtv a few minutes ago.
[09:58] <disinterested_pe> it says no such directory
[09:58] <disinterested_pe> file or directory
[09:58] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: aaah then easyubuntu wasnt unpacked on the desktop
[09:59] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: you put it somewere else
[09:59] <vmadmin> DBO: is this the same here in this article http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/81
[09:59] <nomin> DBO:  typing "ivtv" into synaptic gives a package called "libvideo-ivtv-perl".  Is that it?
[09:59] <DBO> nomin, yeah, you are going to need to compile, install, and modprobe ivtv
[09:59] <disinterested_pe> it is in file browser
[09:59] <DBO> nomin, its not in the repos
[09:59] <I_Love_DRM> is it possible to extend a ext3 partition if the free space is before the ext3?
[09:59] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: file browser isn a file it just shows you what your doing
[09:59] <disinterested_pe> ok
[09:59] <disinterested_pe> so how do i unpack it?
[10:00] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe:ok lets do this the proper way
[10:00] <DBO> vmadmin, yes, you CAN do this to entire disks, but not the one you are booting from
[10:00] <disinterested_pe> ok
[10:00] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe:   type cd Desktop
[10:00] <nomin> DBO:  I think I have sites in tabs in firefox that have the url's for it
[10:00] <disinterested_pe> in terminal?
[10:00] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: yes
[10:00] <disinterested_pe> ok
[10:01] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: everyting I do is now in a terminal
[10:01] <GTroy> crimsun, after I installed alsa-oss and set all the volumes in alsamixer to 100% I lost my right speaker....
[10:01] <disinterested_pe> ok now enter?
[10:01] <DBO> vmadmin, the command dd if=/dev/zero of=device bs=4k essentially blanks the entire disk, the count=1024 (or whatever) causes it to stop after 1024 counts of 4k blocks
[10:01] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: after every command hit enter
[10:01] <nomin> DBO: how long did it take you to install and get mythtv running on your system?
[10:01] <vmadmin> DBO: so how do you boot into a disk that is encryted I though that was the whole idea
[10:01] <disinterested_pe> ok no such file or directory again
[10:02] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: type cd
[10:02] <crimsun> GTroy: not sure why you set all your levels to 100%
[10:02] <DBO> nomin, dont feel bad if you are having a rough time with MythTV, almost everyone does.  Took me 4 hours to get right, and Im fairly versed in linux
[10:02] <disinterested_pe> ok
[10:02] <jayrod06> question, how can i set up apple's quicktime aac encoder with gstreamer
[10:02] <GTroy> crimsun, I thought you told me to
[10:02] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: now type cd Desktop   and desktop is work Desktop is right
[10:02] <linux_galore> wrong*
[10:02] <Frogzoo> I_Love_DRM: I don't think so - would be glad to hear differently
[10:02] <crazy_penguin> morning
[10:02] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: now type cd Desktop   and desktop is wrong Desktop is right
[10:02] <DBO> vmadmin, I dont know if you can boot to an encrypted disk... you do realize that adds cpu and disk access overhead right?
[10:03] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: the command line is case sensitive
[10:03] <DBO> vmadmin, in general you should only use encryption where you really need to
[10:03] <crimsun> GTroy: that was dli.
[10:03] <crazy_penguin> what i have to write into the modules.conf file to disable the ipv6 extensions?
[10:03] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: so lower and upper case names are totally different
[10:03] <GTroy> oh gotcha
[10:03] <GTroy> sorry
[10:03] <I_Love_DRM> Frogzoo I read you can just make another ext3 partition and make /home go to it instead of merging - is this hard to do?
[10:03] <disinterested_pe> ok
[10:03] <disinterested_pe> next?
[10:03] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: desktop and Desktop  are different files
[10:03] <disinterested_pe> ok
[10:04] <Frogzoo> I_Love_DRM:  you mean create another partition & move all your data over? sure, it's easy as
[10:04] <GTroy> crimsun, if I could just get back to where I was before...
[10:04] <dli> GTroy, play with alsamixer, speaker cables
[10:04] <disinterested_pe> ive got Desktop$
[10:04] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: ok type pwd   [enter]   should tell you your in the Desktop directory
[10:04] <treo700wfitz> hi
[10:04] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: ok now type ls
[10:04] <GTroy> dli, I'd be shooting in the dark
[10:04] <I_Love_DRM> How do you tell Ubuntu that /home is now on the new partition?
[10:04] <vmadmin> DBO: ok I have a server with vmware I do not want a firewall , postfix sends messages to vm mail mail client  ok its just a thought block encryption will  not work
[10:04] <disinterested_pe> yeah home/   /   /
[10:04] <Frogzoo> I_Love_DRM: edit /etc/fstab
[10:05] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: that will list all the files you have in Desktop
[10:05] <DBO> I_Love_DRM, you dont have to, so long as your new partition's mountpoint is /home it will use that
[10:05] <The_Answer> how do you make a slideshow media on linux?
[10:05] <disinterested_pe> i have Desktop$ again
[10:05] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: type ls
[10:06] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: you should see  easyubuntu-3.0-beta.tar.gz  listed there
[10:06] <I_Love_DRM> So it pays to clear the /home that is present now so it doesnt conflict?
[10:06] <disinterested_pe> ok now ive got a bunch of things
[10:06] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: is easyubuntu there
[10:06] <GTroy> dli, thank you
[10:06] <Frogzoo> I_Love_DRM: entirely unnecessary
[10:06] <disinterested_pe> yep
[10:06] <DBO> vmadmin, im not quite sure what you just said... but I got the general idea.  Encryption on servers, especially mailservers is generally a bad idea *unless you have a darn good reason*.  This is doubly so for VM's.
[10:06] <I_Love_DRM> how will I see my old /home stuff? if theres 2 /homes
[10:06] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: ok good were on the right track, your doing good for a newbie
[10:07] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: better than I did the first time
[10:07] <disinterested_pe> ty i couldnt figure this out without good help
[10:07] <dli> I_Love_DRM, combine them, or, use /home1 /home2 :)
[10:07] <batman> could someone here guide me towards locking a user in one dir giving 777 chmod but not being able to browse any other dirs but ones that reside inside the certain dir
[10:07] <vmadmin> DBO: so i am in a danger zone ok thanks
[10:07] <GTroy> are there any presets to alsamixer?
[10:07] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: ok now the next part is bit weird so I need to give you a quick cheat lesson
[10:07] <disinterested_pe> ok
[10:07] <Frogzoo> I_Love_DRM: take a look at /etc/fstab - as long as you're mounting the device name, not the volume label, there won't be any confusion - if you're using volume labels, then you'll need to rename the volume
[10:08] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: geeks are lazy, we like to do things the easy way
[10:08] <disinterested_pe> well thats ok geek
[10:08] <DBO> linux_galore, we are not lazy, we are just obsessed with not doing stuff the hard way...
[10:08] <GTroy> haha
[10:08] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: now rather than type out a file name we usually just type out the first three or so letter and hit the TAB key and Linux finnishes the name
[10:08] <GTroy> all hail the slackers
[10:09] <disinterested_pe> i can understand that too
[10:09] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: its called autocomplete, saves you typing
[10:09] <DBO> Frogzoo, I was just modifying an already existing blanket statement =P
[10:09] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: ok now type  tar zxvf  easy[TAB KEY]
[10:09] <disinterested_pe> ok so autocomplete in terminal?
[10:09] <Frogzoo> DBO: meh - I'm too lazy to argue :)
[10:10] <DBO> Frogzoo, want some cheezy poofs?
[10:10] <I_Love_DRM> ok I turned the free space into ext3 - /hda/ext3 - how do I make this /home now??
[10:10] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: hit should show  tar  zxvf   easyubuntu-3.0-beta.tar.gz
[10:10] <disinterested_pe> ok didnt do anything
[10:11] <linux_galore> disinterested_pe: going to have to do it the long way ouch