[07:22] <Majere_Draven> I'm installing using wubi..
[07:22] <nit-wit> onaip1, yeah.
[07:22] <ActionParsnip> Majere_Draven: did you run wubi from the Ubuntu ISO?
[07:22] <onaip1> nit-wit:  yup.. I've got that too
[07:23] <snuff> ActionParsnip: I haven't pressed ctrl/alt/f7 yet but a there is console now (that works) with lots of out of memory messages until it said it was going down (I did a ctrl-alt-del and few minutes before).
[07:23] <nit-wit> onaip1, cool we just want all the toos to get it done, it should be pretty staright forward if evrything is in good oreder.
[07:23] <snuff> *shutting down
[07:23] <nit-wit> *tools
[07:23] <fbdystang> Hi, i have a bunch of samba shares on an NTFS drive. It works great except I can't limit the access to it? I have tried a bunch of options in the smb.conf file to not avail. Any help would be greatly appreciated :)
[07:24] <Majere_Draven> No.. I ran wubi from Ubuntu website
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> where can i disable gnome keyring asking password each boot?
[07:24] <morgan> I just tried to set a window to fixed width in compiz - shortly thereafter my ubuntu menus disappeared offscreen. Is there a .conf file I can remove my dodgy settings from?
[07:24] <nit-wit> lotuspsychje, is it for thw wireless?
[07:24] <Majere_Draven> Its downloading Ubuntu for me noa
[07:24] <lotuspsychje> nit-wit: yes
[07:24] <ActionParsnip> fbdystang: if you run:  sudo smbpasswd -a usernamehere     you can have users login as the usernames you add
[07:24] <ActionParsnip> fbdystang: you can then add lines in smb.conf to define allowed and blocked users
[07:25] <aHardyX> Hi. I have a 3Com 3c905b-tx ethernet card. I am trying to install ubuntu from alternate CD. If I install the whole system it detects the card. But When I try to install only command line system, It says that I don't have any network interfaces. what should I do?
[07:25] <ActionParsnip> fbdystang: http://pastebin.com/TwjPaXVU
[07:25] <ActionParsnip> fbdystang: see how only leanne and andy are allowed acess ;)
[07:26] <nit-wit> lotuspsychje, right click the icon the click on wireless then your account then edit and then the a all users and connect automatically.
[07:26] <fbdystang> ActionParsnip: Is there a way to do it without login as I need it only for guests? But would like to allow them to create files but not delete them?
[07:26] <ActionParsnip> lotuspsychje: its under security
[07:26] <A_J> ActionParsnip, can i update my USB drivers ?
[07:26] <onaip1> nit-wit:  OK  I'm ready now. .   Got the Win XP cd and Ubuntu cd
[07:27] <ActionParsnip> fbdystang: then guest will be the username, if everyone uses guest then you have zero control
[07:27] <nit-wit> onaip1, do you know how to get to the command line on the booted XP cd?
[07:27] <ActionParsnip> fbdystang: you can make OSes remember passwords you know ;)
[07:27] <ActionParsnip> A_J: you may use options on the usb modules, maybe there is an update to the BIOS too
[07:27] <james41855> How can I change the default scrollbar style?  On this laptop with Ubuntu, the scrollbars appear normal/what I'm used to.  On another laptop with Ubuntu 11.04 and now running Gnome again, the scrollbars are different and a scrollbar tool appears on hover, but otherwise disappears when cursor leaves.  I do not like this style of scrolling.  I want to change it.  I do not see option to change it within Appearance Preferences including when
[07:27] <james41855> selecting Customize... button.
[07:27] <onaip1> nit-wit: So u mean i should load my XP cd and boot using the cd and go into the repair thingy
[07:27] <onaip1> nit-wit:  right ?
[07:28] <aHardyX> can someone please help me its urgent :)
[07:28] <lotuspsychje> nit-wit: seems i cant highlight 'enable for all users' on my wifi
[07:28] <snuff> The ubuntu installer shutdown the computer down after asking me to remove the cd. When I started up again it said there was no life file system and gave me initramfs. Should try the CD again?
[07:28] <Krishnandu> Hi, can anyone suggest me some screen recording application?? I tried those mentioned in Ubuntuguide, but none works fine...
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> aHardy: you have internet on full install? maybe text base install doesnt connect to find eth0 drivers?
[07:29] <evgeny> james41855: sudo apt-get remove overlay-scrollbar liboverlay-scrollbar-0.1-0
[07:29] <nit-wit> onaip1, yes boot the XP cd the repair there looks diffrent then W7 though, here is a link on getting to the terminal let me know when your there. http://helpdeskgeek.com/how-to/fix-mbr-xp-vista/   I will give you a couple of commands then.
[07:29] <MaRk-I> Krishnandu: try kazam
[07:30] <Krishnandu> MaRk-I, Ok, thanks..!! Lemme try it..!!
[07:30] <james41855> evgeny, thanks
[07:31] <Krishnandu> MaRk-I, Hey, it says no package found when I try to install it using sudo apt-get install kazam
[07:31] <MaRk-I> Krishnandu: hhmm i doubt is in main repos it's fairly new but ppl say works pretty good
[07:32] <Krishnandu> MaRk-I, Ok, lemme google it then :)
[07:32] <fbdystang> I have a samba NTFS partition that I would like to give create/write access to everyone but disallow any deletion. How in the world would I go about this? Thanks :)
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> ok reboot time
[07:33] <MaRk-I> Krishnandu: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/kazam-0-1-available-the-screencasting-bar-on-linux-just-got-raised/
[07:34] <Krishnandu> MaRk-I, Ya got it, thanks :)
[07:34] <MaRk-I> yw
[07:34] <onaip1> nit-wit: I've rebooted now .. using the Win XP cd. .
[07:35] <nit-wit> onaip1, are you at the command line yet in the repair.
[07:35] <lotuspsychje> nit-wit: thanks mate it worked
[07:36] <nit-wit> lotuspsychje, cool.;)
[07:36] <onaip1> nit-wit: I'm now in the Windows XP recovery Console....
[07:36] <nit-wit> onaip1, run this command first    fixboot
[07:36] <onaip1> nit-wit: IT is asking me which Windows installation i like to log into..
[07:37] <onaip1> nit-wit: should i press 1  and then Enter ?
[07:37] <nit-wit> onaip1,  then this one  you have a backup on sda6 not that one the sda1 the C
[07:37] <onaip1> nit-wit:  not sure what u mean
[07:38] <roger21> do you know how to re-install the original plymouth them and conf ?
[07:38] <roger21> theme
[07:38] <onaip1> nit-wit: It is asking me to which Windows installation i like to log into...
[07:39] <nit-wit> onaip1, what are the choices?
[07:39] <onaip1> nit-wit:  just 1:  C:\WINDOWS
[07:39] <nit-wit> onaip1, thats the one.
[07:40] <onaip1> nit-wit: it is now asking for administrator passwordd
[07:40] <R4zorWolf> uibuntu is DA DEAL!
[07:40] <nit-wit> might not need one at all might need your admin try noe first.
[07:40] <nit-wit> *none
[07:41] <onaip1> nit-wit: ok . . I just pressed enter with nothing typed in. . and now it shows   C:\WINDOWS
[07:42] <onaip1> nit-wit:  what should i do now  ?
[07:42] <nit-wit> onaip1, run these two commands in this order separately.   /fixboot       then /fixmbr
[07:42] <nit-wit> onaip1, then is an instruction.
[07:43] <onaip1> nit-wit:    but the link you gave me shows:   5. Now at the prompt, type in fixmbr. Your damaged MBR will  now be replaced with a new master boot record and your computer should now be  able to boot properly. Note that you may also want to run the  fixboot command to repair the boot sector with a new one. Also, make sure you only use these commands on a system with one operating  system installed. If you have more than one operating system instal
[07:43] <nit-wit> onaip1, I gave the link as a reference your problem is slightly different.
[07:43] <onaip1> nit-wit:  ok   ..cool . ..
[07:44] <onaip1> nit-wit:  do i need to type in the   backslash key ? ?
[07:44] <onaip1> nit-wit:  before typing fixboot ? ?
[07:45] <nit-wit> onaip1, yes first /fixboot     then    /fixmbr
[07:46] <onaip1> nit-wit:  when i typed  " \fixboot "  it said the command is not recognised
[07:46] <onaip1> nit-wit: so i just typed  " fixboot "   and now is asks me:    Are you sure you want to write a new bootsector to the partition C: ??
[07:47] <nit-wit> onaip1, /////////     /fixboot
[07:47] <nit-wit> onaip1, notice the slash
[07:48] <onaip1> nit-wit:  can u check the next comment i wrote ? ?
[07:48] <nit-wit> onaip1 ?
[07:48] <onaip1> nit-wit:  when i typed   \fixboot    it said the command is not recognised    so  i just typed   fixboot    and now is asks me:    Are you sure you want to write a new bootsector to the partition C: ??
[07:49] <nit-wit> onaip1, did you type this \fixboot   or this /fixboot notice the difference.
[07:49] <nit-wit> onaip1, \
[07:49] <onaip1> nit-wit:   oopss. .  sorry . .  u meant forward slash
[07:50] <onaip1> nit-wit:  right ? ?
[07:50] <nit-wit> onaip1, so your saying that /fixboot    gives you a error
[07:51] <onaip1> nit-wit:  I tried both with forward slash and backslash.. they both get error. .  it said the command is not recognised.  Type HELP for a list ......etc
[07:51] <onaip1> nit-wit: if i just type   fixboot    and now is asks me:    Are you sure you want to write a new bootsector to the partition C: ??
[07:51] <snuff> I can't seem to get the latest ubuntu to work on my older computer. I showed out of memory errors at one stage. Is it possible an earlier version might work better?
[07:51] <onaip1> nit-wit:  should i press   y   for that ? ? /
[07:52] <nit-wit> onaip1, try /fixmbr
[07:52] <nit-wit> onaip1, if that works run /fixboot
[07:52] <Plymouth> hi
[07:53] <Plymouth> how do i change grub to boot to windows first by default?
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> snuff: you could try feisty
[07:53] <nit-wit> onaip1, so you see at your command exactly what that link shows correct?
[07:53] <nit-wit> *command line.
[07:53] <onaip1> nit-wit:  I typed     fixboot      and pressed yes to continue
[07:53] <onaip1> nit-wit:  and now
[07:54] <onaip1> nit-wit:  it says  :   The new bootsector was successfully written.
[07:54] <nit-wit> onaip1, I'm not following you.
[07:54] <onaip1> nit-wit:  should i now try   fixmbr
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> snuff: or try xubuntu
[07:54] <nit-wit> onaip1, cool now run /fixmbr
[07:55] <snuff> lotuspsychje: Which one would be easiest - have best chance?
[07:55] <onaip1> nit-wit:  I typed   fixmbr   ..  it is asking me :  Are you sure you want to write a new MBR ? ?
[07:55] <Plymouth> snuff: i heard you gobble dicks and you dont stop until your belly is full to the point of bursting with hot cum
[07:56] <nit-wit> onaip1, yes
[07:56] <onaip1> nit-wit:   ok . .  now i get:      The new master boot record has been successfully written.
[07:56] <nit-wit> onaip1, reboot now it should boot straight to XP. If it does we will reload grub to get you dual booting.  IF you don't boot into XP run the bootscript again and post it, so we can see what has changed.
[07:57] <lotuspsychje> snuff: i would go on xubuntu
[07:57] <onaip1> nit-wit:  what is the command to reboot  ?
[07:58] <nit-wit> onaip1, not sure to be honest I'm a 99% open source user.
[07:58] <onaip1> nit-wit:  ok cool . . I just tried    exit   and it worked
[07:58] <nit-wit> onaip1, hold on I will find out.
[07:58] <onaip1> nit-wit:   Its now booting into my Windows .
[07:59] <snuff> lotuspsychje:thanks
[07:59] <nit-wit> onaip1, cool .
[07:59] <onaip1> nit-wit:   ok  I'm now logged into my windows .
[08:00] <nit-wit> onaip1, make sure it boots all the way in then just reboot the live Natty cd and I will give you the commands to reload grub.
[08:01] <archtangent> hey hey hey
[08:01] <onaip1> nit-wit:  so u mean to load Ubuntu  cd  from my Windows? ?
[08:01] <onaip1> nit-wit:  right ? ?
[08:01] <nit-wit> onaip1, just reboot the XP to the cd , not the cd in the XP.
[08:02] <archtangent> I am trying to run minecraft, does anyone know what packages I need to download to make it work?
[08:02] <nit-wit> onaip1, the natty live cd is what we will use to load grub2
[08:02] <lotuspsychje> i would sugest single boots ubuntu :p
[08:04] <MaRk-I> archtangent: http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2011/05/video-how-to-install-minecraft-in.html
[08:04] <nit-wit> onaip1, turn off XP and boot the Natty cd
[08:04] <onaip1> nit-wit:   ok .
[08:04] <tanath> this is upsetting. i just upgraded to 11.04 and do not have the option to use 'gnome classic'
[08:04] <tanath> how do i fix this?
[08:05] <Calinou> archtangent: java... also, i recommend to update the LWJGL which is in the minecraft's folder once you installed it, you will get fps increases, and bugfixes
[08:05] <tanath> what i read said there was an option at login screen
[08:05] <Calinou> /home/username/.minecraft this
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> tanath: first login to your username, then choose classic
[08:06] <tanath> lotuspsychje, i am logged in... where's the classic option then? didn't know it moved
[08:07] <onaip1> nit-wit:  ok .  now restarting my machine   and booting with Natty cd
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> tanath: i mean at login screen, first type your username- then choose classic- then enter your password
[08:07] <tanath> lotuspsychje, i saw no such option... and i was looking for it
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> tanath: unity is now the default boot
[08:08] <tanath> lotuspsychje, unfortunately
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> tanath: i think unity is cool
[08:08] <tanath> lotuspsychje, it removed a lot of features i use
[08:08] <lotuspsychje> such as?
[08:09] <tanath> lotuspsychje, like gnome applets. system monitor and disk mounter. i need to see my resource usage...
[08:09] <nit-wit> onaip1, cool I made a pastebin with the instructions let me know when hyou want it.
[08:09] <tanath> lotuspsychje, it also coopted shortcuts i use for other things
[08:09] <lonejack> hi, mouse middle wheel-button, no longer (at least 4 months) works for copy&paste. any ideas?
[08:09] <lotuspsychje> tanath: yeah i didnt found yet system monitor either on unity
[08:09] <tanath> lotuspsychje, it's basically made my computer more difficult and less efficient to use
[08:09] <tanath> lotuspsychje, also lost the ability to middle-click on scroll bar to jump to position
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> tanath: did you update or clean install?
[08:10] <tanath> lotuspsychje, update
[08:10] <sklorpion> queston - i want to get to know my gpu temp, so i use "aticonfig --odgt" [ yes i have ATI card ] and get this info:No layout section was found in the file: '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'Please run 'aticonfig --initial' first or modify your configurationfile manually and run aticonfig again.
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> tanath: i clean installed mine, less problems
[08:10] <tanath> lotuspsychje, i waited a month instead
[08:10] <tanath> lotuspsychje, for some reason i expected most issues to be fixed by now
[08:11] <sklorpion> after this and trying to run aticonfig -initial i get Found fglrx primary device section
[08:11] <onaip1> nit-wit: ok   now I've booted with the Natty cd. .  and now asking me whether i should try or Install Ubuntu . ..
[08:11] <tanath> lotuspsychje, should be less work this way instead of remembering and installing apps all over again
[08:11] <lotuspsychje> tanath: you could try ubuntu-tweak for editing stuff
[08:11] <onaip1> nit-wit:    I dun need to install it again  right ?    coz I already installed it. .
[08:11] <nit-wit> onaip1, choose try.
[08:11] <tanath> lotuspsychje, i use it... though it removed it for upgrade
[08:12] <tanath> lotuspsychje, brb. gonna check for gnome classic one more time
[08:12] <onaip1> nit-wit:   Ok i'm in ...
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> ok
[08:13] <nit-wit> go to the menu-applications and open a terminal.
[08:13] <nit-wit> onaip1,  go to the menu-applications and open a terminal.
[08:13] <onaip1> nit-wit:   yup I'm in
[08:14] <nit-wit> onaip1, do you have the terminal open?
[08:14] <onaip1> nit-wit:   yup
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> tanath: http://askubuntu.com/questions/29757/what-can-replace-system-monitoring-in-the-top-gnome-panel-in-unity
[08:14]  * bloodxii dances
[08:14] <nit-wit> cool here are the two commands. http://paste.ubuntu.com/614458/
[08:14] <tanath> lotuspsychje, ok, i hadn't seen it before i chose my username and missed the change after. got it now, thanks
[08:14] <tanath> lotuspsychje, it really should be there before you choose
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> tanath: it makes sense you need seperate desktop choice for each user
[08:16] <tanath> lotuspsychje, thanks for link
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> tanath: i also installed natty on gf laptop and unity really rox on it
[08:16] <tanath> lotuspsychje, not really. you need to choose which environment before logging in, so naturally you look for any available options _before_ login
[08:16] <onaip1> nit-wit:    from the command:  sudo mount /dev/sda7 /mnt       can i ask why it is  sda7 ? ?
[08:17] <nit-wit> onaip1, sda7 is the partition that natty is in.
[08:17] <tanath> lotuspsychje, not really. i know it has potential and will be an improvement long run, but it's a regression at this point and shouldn't be default yet
[08:17] <nit-wit> onaip1, notice the second command has no number at the end just sda.
[08:17] <onaip1> nit-wit:   ok  cool  thanks . .
[08:17] <onaip1> nit-wit:  trying it now
[08:18] <tanath> lotuspsychje, and for some reason, the option is at the bottom and my mouse moves unbearably slow at login screen
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> tanath: there are many pro and contra i know...but i think in the touchscreen world thing getting improved
[08:19] <tanath> lotuspsychje, enh, touchscreen i suspect (hope?) is largely a fad
[08:19] <onaip1> nit-wit:   what does the  command :  sudo mount /dev/sda7 /mnt     stand for ? ?
[08:19] <lotuspsychje> tanath: compiz still running fine?
[08:19] <onaip1> nit-wit:   just so I know what it means. .  .
[08:19] <tanath> lotuspsychje, that was another thing, i lost my compiz functions in unity
[08:19] <tanath> lotuspsychje, i need several compiz plugin functions
[08:20] <tanath> lotuspsychje, and actually no, the plugins aren't working in gnome now either
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> tanath: yeah desktop cube is disabled on mine
[08:20] <tanath> also negative
[08:20] <nit-wit> onaip1, I'm not a grub developer, nor would I be able to explain it here it is not that simple, it works these commands are from the grub2 wiki, I will link you to it so you can study it.
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> tanath: i really sugest clean install
[08:20] <tanath> lotuspsychje, hell, everything seems disabled
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> tanath: lol
[08:20] <A_J> How do I network a ubuntu and windows PC ?
[08:20] <Syria> Hi, i am trying to install nvidia drivers but I am getting a message telling me that I have to disable the x server first, so how can i do that please?
[08:20] <tanath> lotuspsychje, i don't. this way saved me more time/effort
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> A_J: samba
[08:21] <A_J> okie ty lotuspsychje. but it says it's for p2p
[08:21] <tanath> lotuspsychje, upgrade largely worked well
[08:21] <A_J> setting up samba peer-to-peer with Windows
[08:21] <onaip1> nit-wit:   I can see that the 2nd command is tell u to install grub on  sda partition
[08:21] <onaip1> nit-wit:  right ? ?
[08:21] <lotuspsychje> tanath: same here, but still clean install fixed a lot for me
[08:22] <tanath> lotuspsychje, like what? any issues i have?
[08:22] <nit-wit> onaip1, you're correct and sda is actually not a partition but the first 512 mb of the hard drive it is the master boot area.
[08:22] <tanath> lotuspsychje, wow, they really messed up compiz. even removed the default keybindings for enhanced zoom
[08:22] <lotuspsychje> tanath: unity was bit buggy for me after update
[08:22] <tanath> lotuspsychje, not for me
[08:22] <bloodxii> I have a question
[08:22] <tanath> lotuspsychje, prolly depends on card
[08:23] <bloodxii> I have my laptop + my desktop connected
[08:23] <bloodxii> via cat6 lan cable
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> tanath: it was more after trying different compiz layouts
[08:23] <nit-wit> onaip1, here is one of a lot of wiki's on grub2. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Upgrading
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> tanath: lie wobbly windows and such
[08:23] <onaip1> nit-wit: why do i have to update-grub afterwards?
[08:23] <bloodxii> and they won't connect to eachother and 1 is running ubuntu 11.4 the other is 10.10
[08:23] <Syria> I have installed Gnome3 on my natty 11.4 following these instructions but after restarting i can
[08:23] <lotuspsychje> tanath: not sure why desktop cube and unity cant run togheter
[08:24] <nit-wit> onaip1, the commands you ran are from the section 13 reload from a live cd.
[08:24] <A_J> lotuspsychje,  what do i put here : netbios name = YOUR_HOSTNAME i'm using a lancable to join two pc's
[08:24] <Syria> I have installed Gnome3 on my natty 11.4 following these instructions but after restarting i cant chose gnome3 i can't find it! http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-gnome3-on-ubuntu-11-04-nattyubuntu-10-10-maverick.html
[08:24] <nit-wit> onaip1, only update grub from the installed natty not the live cd.
[08:24] <emx> i'm not yet convinced that ubuntu is a distribution for me. e.g. when i want to use pdo in php i have to add pdo manually to the extensions in php.ini. what i ask myself is that if php is updated - will the php.ini of the latest version be used without my changes or does it remain the old one?
[08:24] <tanath> lotuspsychje, this is frustrating. good thing i've been through this before and know the mouse shortcuts and crap. used to be able to click reset and it would set the shortcuts
[08:24] <onaip1> nit-wit:  I now tried rebooting and the Natty cd ejected automatically
[08:25] <jaydez> hey, I want to upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10. My internet has been intermitent and sometimes slow.. so I'm wondering if my computer will crash if my internet stops in the middle of the installation
[08:25] <tanath> lotuspsychje, how would a noob guess that scroll wheel up & down are eg., button 4 & 5?
[08:25] <jaydez> Does ubuntu download and upgrade at the same time?
[08:25] <lotuspsychje> tanath: i think we have to get used to untiy now :p
[08:25] <jaydez> or does it just download it, then upgrade?
[08:25] <onaip1> nit-wit:  I continued to reboot without the NAtty cd
[08:25] <tanath> lotuspsychje, no, we don't. if they don't get this right people will switch away
[08:26] <nit-wit> onaip1, do you se the grub menu
[08:26] <bloodxii> i have 2 computers 1 lapptop + a desktop. they are connected via cat6 lan cable and they will not connect at all to each other with auto eth0. is there some steps i should have done before hand? i have not configured anything
[08:26] <nit-wit> *see
[08:26] <onaip1> nit-wit:   It now shows a Black screen with :     GNU GRUB version 1.99~rcl-13ubuntu3
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> tanath: personal i also better liked if untiy was an option...but what can we do?
[08:26] <onaip1> it shows:   grub>
[08:26] <nit-wit> onaip1, choose the natty the first line in the kernel lst
[08:26] <pylix> Cam?
[08:27] <tanath> lotuspsychje, i've been a very happy ubuntu user for the past ~5-6 yrs, but if they don't get some things sorted out, i'll be looking for another distro
[08:27] <nit-wit> *list
[08:27] <bloodxii> unity is an option
[08:27] <jaydez> can anyone help me with my question?
[08:27] <tanath> lotuspsychje, and i'll be bringing people with me
[08:27] <bloodxii> in the login screen
[08:27] <onaip1> nit-wit: it doesn't show the list to choose Natty
[08:27] <bloodxii> down the bottom
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> tanath: i like ubuntu to much to switch
[08:27] <pylix> Cameron: are you Cam from ug chat?
[08:27] <tanath> lotuspsychje, i though that 'till now
[08:27] <nit-wit> onaip1, is the screen completely black  What does it show?
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> tanath: what about you use classic instaed of unity?
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> tanath: everything still works on classic?
[08:28] <tanath> lotuspsychje, they've made a lot of bold decisions lately that aren't popular but were good decisions, but unity needs more work before becoming default
[08:28] <tanath> lotuspsychje, they're removing classic next release
[08:28] <bloodxii> i have 2 computers 1 lapptop + a desktop. they are connected via cat6 lan cable and they will not connect at all to each other with auto eth0. is there some steps i should have done before hand? i have not configured anything
[08:28] <tanath> lotuspsychje, i am using it for now
[08:28] <lotuspsychje> tanath: maybe next time untiy will have classic options :p
[08:28] <bloodxii> unity is pretty lame imo
[08:29] <A_J> lotuspsychje, this tut is outdated can u find me one which i can use for natty : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202605
[08:29] <tanath> lotuspsychje, i wanted to like unity, but frankly it's not up to par yet. not enough of an improvement in ways that matter to users
[08:29] <onaip1> nit-wit: it just has a black screen..         Minimal BASH-like line editing is supported. For the first word, TAB lists possible command completions. Anywhere else TAB lists possible device or file completions.
[08:29] <onaip1> grub>
[08:29] <bloodxii> SLACKWARE > everything
[08:29] <onaip1> nit-wit:  what should I type ??
[08:29] <tanath> lotuspsychje, at the very least they need to keep gnome/classic around for a couple releases 'til unity is good enough
[08:30] <nit-wit> onaip1, lest not get into a manual boot in.  You were getting into Natty before how did you do that?
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> tanath: i agree
[08:30] <remoteCTRL1> hi guys!
[08:30] <jaydez> Hey, I want to upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10. My internet has been intermitent and sometimes slow.. so I'm wondering if my computer will crash if my internet stops in the middle of the installation. Does ubuntu download and upgrade at the same time? or does it just download it, then upgrade? I don't want to lose all my data just because the internet cuts during an upgrade...
[08:30] <remoteCTRL1> can you please help me debug my brandnew non working technisat cablestar?
[08:30] <lotuspsychje> tanath: im sure the community will fix main untiy bugs to keep every1 happy
[08:30] <nit-wit> onaip1, did you copy and paste the commands as well or type them?
[08:31] <tanath> lotuspsychje, problem is, it's not all bugs. there are feature regressions too. which means they need to do more work on it
[08:31] <lotuspsychje> tanath: i personal would loved unity bar at bottom
[08:31] <tanath> lotuspsychje, losing features and efficiency/ease of use is very bad. something i despise. i always felt crippled using windows after i switched to ubuntu
[08:31] <tanath> lotuspsychje, now i feel that way in unity
[08:32] <onaip1> nit-wit:  before when I restart my machine,   It used to automatically show the list of installed OS  . . like Ubuntu  ,  Ubuntu (recover mode), test,  Windows XP
[08:32] <Kevin_Flynn> Is there a desktop environment that will work on Ubuntu and Windows?
[08:32] <tanath> Kevin_Flynn, KDE i believe
[08:32] <lotuspsychje> tanath: i understand your frustration, but like i say there is a linux solution for everything
[08:32] <nit-wit> onaip1, don't bother trying to get in from the grub> prompt , jus answer my questions if you can.
[08:32] <tanath> Kevin_Flynn, there are likely others
[08:33] <tanath> lotuspsychje, is there a linux solution for the current state of ubuntu linux? :P
[08:33] <bloodxii_> can anyone help me with a pr?>oblem
[08:33] <Kevin_Flynn> tanath, is that a download and go deal in windows do you know perhaps?
[08:33] <bloodxii_> can anyone help me with a problem?
[08:33] <remoteCTRL1> !ask | bloodxii
[08:33] <nit-wit> onaip1,  did you copy and paste the commands in natty as well or type them?   Did yo run a update grub while on the live cd?
[08:34] <lotuspsychje> tanath: im sure issues can be solved
[08:34] <tanath> Kevin_Flynn, never tried kde in windows, just linux. check the site & note faq. mebbe google it and see what users are complaining about :P
[08:34] <bloodxii_> i have 2 computers 1 lapptop + a desktop. they are connected via cat6 lan cable and they will not connect at all to each other with auto eth0. is there some steps i should have done before hand? i have not configured anything
[08:34] <onaip1> nit-wit: I had to type the commands you gave me .. .
[08:34] <onaip1> nit-wit:   sudo mount /dev/sda7 /mnt
[08:34] <bloodxii_> I asked twice before thus i asked if anyone could help with the porblem that i had prviously stated
[08:34] <tanath> lotuspsychje, well they can be or i wouldn't bother bitching about them. question is whether they will be
[08:34] <onaip1> nit-wit:  and then :   sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/boot /dev/sda
[08:35] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: well do you have any sort of dhcp service running in the net?
[08:35] <onaip1> nit-wit:  and then tried restarting my machine
[08:35] <onaip1> nit-wit:  before doing the update
[08:35] <bloodxii_> no
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> tanath: the community is always open for sugestions right...thats why unity is being created in the first place right?
[08:35] <onaip1> nit-wit:  now coming up with the   grub> prompt ..
[08:35] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: have you configured static ip adresses?
[08:35] <lotuspsychje> tanath: there is not 1 gates at the top choosing stuff
[08:36] <tanath> lotuspsychje, well, not exactly. i don't think there was a suggestion for ubuntu to switch to unity. it was decided by mark shuttleworth, founder of ubuntu
[08:36] <bloodxii_> i didn't think i would need to, wouldn't they be auto-assigned?
[08:36] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: autoassigned by what?
[08:36] <tanath> lotuspsychje, he makes good arguments for implementing & working on it, but it really isn't ready for default yet
[08:36] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: if you dont have a dhcp service running i will become hard to have them autoassigned, right?
[08:36] <onaip1> nit-wit:   you there?  ?
[08:37] <bloodxii_> nvm, just got it working
[08:37] <tanath> lotuspsychje, and he's been stubborn in the face of criticism. arguably with good reason. he has a good vision, and he's right that if the effort is put in it's prolly the best replacement for X
[08:37] <onaip1> nit-wit:  hope I haven't done anything wrong. .    I did exactly was you guided me
[08:37] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: how do you connect them to each other?
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> tanath: so opensource get influenced these days lol?
[08:37] <bloodxii_> cat6 lan
[08:37] <nit-wit> onaip1, is it possible that even though hyou typed the commands correctly here that you may have made a mistake when in the installed Natty. I have never had this method fail in 1000's of instructions and personal use.
[08:37] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: that you already mentioned, but there has to be a switch or something somewhere, right?
[08:38] <tanath> lotuspsychje, of course. always has been
[08:38] <tanath> lotuspsychje, but yeah, ubuntu wouldn't exist if not for him
[08:38] <nit-wit> onaip1, not the installed but on the live cd.
[08:38] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: but if it works already...
[08:38] <kelvinella> hello how do you get the contact list in the top right cornor to appear?
[08:38] <onaip1> nit-wit:  do i had to reboot while having the NAtty cd in the machine  (coz it ejected when rebooting)
[08:38] <kelvinella> the one where u have facebook, msn, gmail account open
[08:38] <tanath> lotuspsychje, created canonical, the company behind ubuntu
[08:38] <remoteCTRL1> kelvinella: contactlist of what?
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> tanath: but i agree you on every point mate, they should at least give the user the choice...
[08:38] <bloodxii_> it was timing out on connect
[08:38] <kelvinella> the top right green color mail icon
[08:38] <tanath> lotuspsychje, mhm
[08:39] <bloodxii_> then i changed eth0 settings ~ 10 seconds ago
[08:39] <nit-wit> onaip1, if the cd auto ejecyed on the reboot that is b=normal.
[08:39] <kelvinella> i can only get that icon if someone send me a msg on msn or facebook
[08:39] <crystalblue66> www.xxxlivecam.info
[08:39] <kelvinella> but i want it to appear when i start the computer
[08:39] <onaip1> nit-wit:  should I reload the Natty cd and reboot ? ?
[08:39] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: there has to be some device where your cat6 cables go into, right?
[08:39] <bloodxii_> to local link only from dhcp
[08:39] <nit-wit> onaip1, boot the cd and run the bootscript agian, or try the commands agin.
[08:39] <tanath> lotuspsychje, anyway, thanks for pointer, and the chat. i'm off
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> tanath: like providing classic natty on seperate download iso
[08:39] <bloodxii_> nope just computer to computer
[08:39] <lotuspsychje> tanath: ok take care mate
[08:40] <tanath> lotuspsychje, nah, just a clear(er) option
[08:40] <nit-wit> onaip1, the natty cd
[08:40] <tanath> you too
[08:40] <bloodxii_> and this is why i work with slackware :S
[08:40] <lotuspsychje> :p
[08:40] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: in that case you need to set the computers toanip idrass that lays within the same subnet
[08:40] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: example
[08:40] <Syria> After updating to natty i can't find the effects anymore!!!
[08:40] <remoteCTRL1> <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:41] <bloodxii_> mkay
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> syria: install compiz icon
[08:41] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: by what are you trying to connect the computers, meaning samba, nfs, etc?
[08:41] <bloodxii_> ?
[08:41] <kelvinella> it is empathy i figure it out now
[08:41] <onaip1> nit-wit:  did I had to run the last command :        sudo update-grub      before rebooting  ? ?
[08:41] <lotuspsychje> anyway im off to store
[08:41] <kelvinella> does empathy support webcam?
[08:41] <onaip1> nit-wit:    coz I didn't
[08:42] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: in order to see files from one computer on another one you need to share them
[08:42] <bloodxii_> i was just wanting them connecting to eachother via lan
[08:42] <bloodxii_> which is working
[08:42] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: samba does that for you, in that caseyou can also see them on windows computers, nfs also does that, in that case you can NOT see them on windows computers
[08:42] <nit-wit> onaip1, my insructions on the pastebin say reboot to the natty install and run the update-grub. I also said several times here to onlty run it in the installed natty if you get in.
[08:42] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: kk...
[08:43] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: whats the issue then if it is working??
[08:43] <bloodxii_> it started working 3/4 way of our convo
[08:43] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: what does that sentence mean in english please?
[08:44] <remoteCTRL1> ah ok, i see :D
[08:44] <bloodxii_> 0.o
[08:44] <remoteCTRL1> well go ahead then! :)
[08:44] <Syria> lotuspsychje i have chosen Metacity but the effects tab is still not existed!
[08:44] <bloodxii_> this is why i prefer slackware over ubuntu
[08:44] <Kevin_Flynn> tanath, thanx
[08:44] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: this why "this"?
[08:45] <onaip1> nit-wit:   yup. .  I'm sure I did it correctly. .
[08:45] <onaip1> nit-wit:  after the 2nd command:     sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/boot /dev/sda        I rebooted
[08:45] <bloodxii_> slackware is bare bones os
[08:45] <bloodxii_> it is hard to use
[08:45] <joot> bloodxii: because of a longer handshake
[08:45] <tanath> ugh, even in gnome classic, some windows still have the unity-style scrollbar. how do you fix that?
[08:45] <onaip1> nit-wit:   and got the black screen with   grub> prompt
[08:45] <bloodxii_> meh
[08:45] <bloodxii_> i started using slackware in 04
[08:45] <remoteCTRL1> bazhang: unop iconia actionparsnip any of the chief rockerz in the house?
[08:45] <bloodxii_> and fell in love
[08:45] <nit-wit> onaip1, okay then I got you this far I have mentioned that this does work, I gave you the wiki where I got it from. What should I do now?
[08:46] <tanath> lotuspsychje, even sticking with classic isn't good enough >.<
[08:46] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: so stick to it then;)
[08:46] <bloodxii_> meh, not my computers
[08:46] <onaip1> nit-wit:  should I try the script again from Terminal
[08:46] <remoteCTRL1> bloodxii_: hehe, i see...
[08:46] <onaip1> nit-wit:  or is that going to cause problem??
[08:46] <bloodxii_> i have heard paradus is ok
[08:47] <nit-wit> onaip1, If you have made a second attempt with the commands and it didn't work that is the best route the script yes.
[08:47] <remoteCTRL1> can anybody pls help me debug my brandnew tv card? i currently have the kernel modules loaded but i see no /dev/video0...?
[08:47] <tanath> can anyone tell me how to fix the scrollbars?
[08:47] <tanath> or what package to blame?
[08:48] <bloodxii_> oh and multiple x-servers = win
[08:48] <nit-wit> onaip1, on the wiki link are two other methods for loading grub, both a bit more difficult and not ones I'm real comfortable trying to instuct on.
[08:48] <nit-wit> *instruct
[08:49] <nit-wit> onaip1, uncomfortable that is.
[08:50] <MaRk-I> tanath: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/how-to-disable-overlay-scrollbars-in.html
[08:50] <tanath> MaRk-I, :D thank you
[08:50] <MaRk-I> yw
[08:53] <tanath> MaRk-I, what would be the best way to point out that overlay scrollbars are a regression and shouldn't be default?
[08:53] <onaip1> nit-wit:  u've taught me alot though
[08:53] <onaip1> nit-wit:  thanks. .
[08:53] <joot> remoteCRTL1: not sure that dev/video is the correct place to look for a tv card
[08:53] <tanath> MaRk-I, since there's separate packages for them... i might argue they shouldn't be default, or shouldn't be used in gnome classic...
[08:53] <mat234> Anyone know how to deal with a password never recognized weird problem ?
[08:54] <onaip1> nit-wit:  maybe I need to setup the list to choose which OS to load
[08:54] <MaRk-I> tanath: I have no comment, haven't used unity yet or 11.04
[08:54] <onaip1> nit-wit:  from Grub
[08:54] <nit-wit> onaip1, no problem if you look at your script though there is some notation that the sda6 partitions starts at where the sda1 does.
[08:55] <Syria> i have installed Gnome3 on my Natty, where can I find it now?
[08:55] <tanath> MaRk-I, well you needn't have an opinion (or agree if you do)... to direct me (if you know where would be appropriate)
[08:55] <onaip1> nit-wit:  or ur script shows to install Grub .. .   but previously it was Grub2 ? ?
[08:55] <nit-wit> onaip1, there is no grub-legacy on the hd
[08:55] <MaRk-I> tanath: launchpad?
[08:56] <tanath> MaRk-I, yeah, i meant which package...
[08:56] <tanath> MaRk-I, nvm. thanks
[08:56] <lucky105> Syria:- logout
[08:56] <Majere_Draven> only one more hour
[08:56] <nit-wit> onaip1, the script doesn't tell you what to do but what has been done.
[08:57] <Syria> lucky105:  I did, restarted the computer to complete update but when i want to select the interface i can chose ubuntu and ubuntu classic but no gnome3
[08:57] <nit-wit> onaip1, do you have a spare cd laying around?
[08:57] <MaRk-I> tanath: that's why i said i had no comment but according to that link, overlay-scrollbar liboverlay-scrollbar-0.1-0 are the packages
[08:57] <Majere_Draven> This it taking forever:( I'm hungry
[08:57] <onaip1> nit-wit:  yup
[08:58] <lucky105> did u installed without any error
[08:58] <jaydez> ey, I want to upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10. My internet has been intermitent and sometimes slow.. so I'm wondering if my computer will crash if my internet stops in the middle of the installation. Does ubuntu download and upgrade at the same time? or does it just download it, then upgrade? I don't want to lose all my data just because the internet cuts during an upgrade...
[08:58] <onaip1> nit-wit:  The newly installed Grub doesn't seem to list my installed OS s
[08:59] <Syria> lucky105:  Without, following these instructions http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-gnome3-on-ubuntu-11-04-nattyubuntu-10-10-maverick.html
[08:59] <nit-wit> onaip1, your getting this grub>   when you power up to boot correct?
[08:59] <lucky105> jaydez-> always new install
[08:59] <thegoodcushion> jaydez: it will work fine
[08:59] <Syria> lucky105:  I did not face any problems.
[08:59] <onaip1> nit-wit:  yes
[08:59] <jaydez> thanks
[08:59] <LinuxMario> what is the channel for the ubuntu mexico? i dont speak english
[09:00] <LinuxMario> thanks for the help
[09:00] <thegoodcushion> LinuxMario: #ubuntu-es
[09:00] <LinuxMario> or the ubuntu latioamerica
[09:00] <LinuxMario> thegoodcushion, Very thanks
[09:01] <nit-wit> onaip1, very common could be a number of problems, I gave you the two options I can stick with, a second attempt at the commands, not sure if you have alraedy this has not been clearly confirmed. The second option is to run the script.
[09:01] <nit-wit> onaip1, time for a cig brb
[09:02] <ntr0py> is btrfs ready for use as root fs?
[09:06] <lucky105> Log out and back in, selecting the GNOME Session in GDM
[09:08] <onaip1> nit-wit:  Hi. .    I did some research and found out. .  u forgot to tell me 1 command which is:   sudo umount /mnt
[09:08] <A_J> how do i configure ip's for lan connection ?
[09:08] <nit-wit> onaip1, that is part of chrooting
[09:08] <onaip1> nit-wit:  this should have been entered after:  sudo mount /dev/sda7 /mnt
[09:09] <Majere_Draven> ... One more hour.. still
[09:09] <onaip1> nit-wit:   I tried it and now when i rebooted,   it gave me the choice to choose my OS
[09:09] <onaip1> nit-wit:  I knew, I was following ur instructions correctly. ..
[09:10] <onaip1> nit-wit:   I found the script  from:   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1765197
[09:10] <nit-wit> onaip1, show me the research and look at this link. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD
[09:10] <ntr0py> can i use btrfs as root filesystem with grub2?
[09:11] <A_J> nit-wit, i'm using this tut for samba http://cinderbox.net/2011/05/08/install-samba-server-in-ubuntu-10-10-and-ubuntu-11-04-natty-narwhal/
[09:12] <nit-wit> onaip1, I used top work with those people on that forum. The extra command is not needed i have never had to run the unmnt.
[09:12] <A_J> how do i enable both adapters of mine ?
[09:12] <A_J> nit-wit, not gettin a ping to my another pc
[09:13] <onaip1> nit-wit:  for me. . . .   I was able to see the list of my installed OSs after typing the umount script
[09:13] <nit-wit> onaip1, since I got you this far you might think that you might have not run the commands correctly the first time, or it just needed a little extra work there was no forgotten command.
[09:13] <SchighSchagh> hey guys. I'm trying to figure out how a certain process got started. I know there's a command which spits out a tree of how processes are related (parents/child processes). Anybody know what that command is?
[09:14] <A_J> nit-wit, see my issue
[09:14] <onaip1> nit-wit:   the umount script  definitely got me in to choosing my installed Nattty.. .
[09:14] <nit-wit> onaip1, glad it woked but to be honest this is an are I'm really really familiar with.  As well there are alot of people on the forum i'm sure your scrpt was looked at by others and my instructions, if I was wrong somebody would have said something.
[09:15] <amin`> what channel do I use for off topic discussion?
[09:15] <nit-wit> onaip1, glad it worked for you.;)
[09:15] <onaip1> nit-wit:  I agree with you
[09:15] <Karen_m> inside the shell, is there a way to convert hex to ascii or ascii to hex ?
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> how can i add an app-in terminal command to unity bar?
[09:16] <amin`> what channel do I use for off-topic discution?
[09:16] <lotuspsychje> !off-topic
[09:16] <Boni> Can anyone tell me the commands used in irssi?
[09:17] <A_J|Win> nit-wit please help me
[09:17] <onaip1> nit-wit: thanks for your assistance
[09:18] <onaip1> nit-wit:  It fixed my booting problem
[09:18] <onaip1> nit-wit:  IF it wasn't you,  I wouldve been crying so bad. .. .
[09:18] <onaip1> nit-wit:    thank you. . . .
[09:19] <onaip1> nit-wit:  appreciate your time until it got fixed. .
[09:19] <lotuspsychje> !unity
[09:20] <A_J|Win> lotuspsychje can u help me with samba ?
[09:20] <onaip1> quit
[09:20] <onaip1> \quit
[09:20] <A_J|Win> other slash
[09:20] <Taev> i just upgraded to 10.10 and for some reason almost every time i load mozilla the screen goes gray, becomes unresponsive and i have to force quit, its really becoming unacceptable
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> A_J: im not a network specialist
[09:20] <A_J|Win> damn :\
[09:20] <Taev> any ideas why this is happening? worked fine before the upgrade
[09:20] <nit-wit> onaip1, take a look at this link from the developrs of grub and show me where it says to run that command with a live cd boot the first option.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling%20from%20LiveCD
[09:20] <lotuspsychje> post the issue A_J
[09:21] <A_J|Win> well i Configred by this http://www.unixmen.com/linux-tutorials/566-install-samba-server-in-ubuntu-karmic and there is nothing about ip in there. i cannot ping or see the other computer any help
[09:22] <A_J|Win> err wrong link this is correct :http://cinderbox.net/2011/05/08/install-samba-server-in-ubuntu-10-10-and-ubuntu-11-04-natty-narwhal/
[09:23] <A_J|Win> lotuspsychje ?
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> A_J: type \\nameofthecomputerhere
[09:24] <A_J> how do i get that ?
[09:24] <A_J> in run ?
[09:24] <A_J> on windows ?
[09:24] <lotuspsychje> yes
[09:25] <lapion> anyone know why clock.app connects to a82-94-229-25.deploy.akamaitechnologies.com. ?
[09:26] <fbdystang> Hi, I can't get chmod to work what am I missing: sudo chmod 0755 CycloneRAID/ from the directory where I mount my share
[09:26] <llutz> fbdystang: what filesystem?
[09:26] <A_J|Win> lotuspsychje how do i find out my comp nane ?
[09:26] <A_J|Win> name*
[09:27] <fbdystang> llutz: NTFS
[09:27] <llutz> !ntfs| fbdystang: chown chmod works only on unix-fs readi this
[09:28] <A_J|Win> lotuspsychje windows cannot find computer
[09:28] <fbdystang> llutz: cool, thanks :)
[09:28] <lotuspsychje> A_J: are u behind a router?
[09:28] <A_J|Win> no direct connection of lanb
[09:28] <A_J|Win> lan*
[09:28] <Majere_Draven> ... Is that bot AI?
[09:28] <A_J|Win> no^
[09:28] <lapion> nvm it's the weathe thingy
[09:29] <lotuspsychje> A_J: you might try other network tools in software centre, there are plenty for easy networking
[09:29] <A_J|Win> lotuspsychje maybe i need to manually configure ip ?
[09:29] <xskydevilx> I'm getting a "W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used" error in Maverick when running sudo apt-get update. Any help?
[09:33] <A_J|Win> well lotuspsychje or any1 ?
[09:35] <xskydevilx> Anyone? Here's the output from the terminal: http://paste.ubuntu.com/614477/
[09:37] <A_J|Win> xskydevilx every1 abandoned us
[09:38] <xskydevilx> A_J|Win lol seems to be so, maybe I'll switch to the linux mint IRC channel
[09:38] <Majere_Draven> I'm an idiot. so no
[09:38] <A_J|Win> LOL Majere_Draven
[09:40] <Majere_Draven> What you be trying to do Sky?
[09:40] <Majere_Draven> Are you trying to turn on sound in youtube?
[09:40] <Taev> i just upgraded to 10.10 and for some reason almost every time i load mozilla the screen goes gray, becomes unresponsive and i have to force quit, its really becoming unacceptable
[09:41] <Taev> happens every minute or so
[09:41] <A_J|Win> I'm gonna try in the nite time
[09:41] <A_J|Win> more people online then
[09:41] <theking85> ciao
[09:41] <Hot> can you give me an hint ? it's not really ubuntu related,but I try to ask it anyway. I downloaded the opencde desktop environment ,I downloaded the openmotif libraries but now I need to compile the opencde as the following http://devio.us/~kpedersen/documentation.php
[09:41] <A_J|Win> perhaps u can help theking85
[09:41] <Majere_Draven> Salve,
[09:41] <lotuspsychje> A_J: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Samba/SambaClientGuide
[09:41] <theking85> !list
[09:42] <A_J|Win> ty lotuspsychje
[09:42] <Majere_Draven> Taev, Try upgrading to the newest one.
[09:42] <Majere_Draven> ?
[09:42] <Taev> my mozilla worked fine before i just upgraded
[09:43] <Taev> now its broken, and your solution is to upgrade again?
[09:43] <kantor> hello, why is it that if I start the ping program (which has a SUID to root) as NOT the root user, and I use the ps to print the running processes, the effective UID displayed for the ping is not the root ?
[09:43] <A_J|Win> update not upgrade
[09:43] <Taev> i would assume that mozilla was meant to work on 10.10
[09:43] <A_J|Win> yes Taev it does
[09:44] <A_J|Win> update to firefox 4
[09:44] <Majere_Draven> I've been out of the game for a while. sorry
[09:45] <A_J|Win> damn no pings goin through :\
[09:45] <Hot> can you give me an hint ? it's not really ubuntu related,but I try to ask it anyway. I downloaded the opencde desktop environment ,I downloaded the openmotif libraries but now I need to compile the opencde as the following http://devio.us/~kpedersen/documentation.php   can you help me with the next step ?
[09:45] <Revan199> Question: how to make nvidia works without lags (as with irqpoll option) and Wi-Fi card (D-Link DWA-510) keep works (as without irqpoll option) (part of syslog for network card: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/4846f068/)
[09:49] <Syria> Hi, where is the effects tab? it is gone after updating to natty. http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=193507&d=1306655315
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> syria: you can manage effects in compiz settings
[09:50] <Revan199> http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a5831dad/ lspci -v
[09:51] <Syria> lotuspsychje: I don't want compiz, i want the same effects that i had on my Meerkat 10.10.
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> syria: did you login to classic or unity?
[09:51] <Syria> lotuspsychje:  Classic.
[09:52] <Syria> lotuspsychje:  i have Classic and Classic without effects, i chose Classic only.
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> what effects you need on classic syria?
[09:53] <Syria> lotuspsychje:  The gelly windows for example!
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> syria: like i say install CompizConfig Settings Manager
[09:53] <Fuchs> Syria: that is compiz
[09:54] <lotuspsychje> and enable wobbly windows
[09:54] <Syria> Okay. I will download it now.
[09:54] <Fuchs> Syria: if you want these effects, you have to run compiz as your window manager and activate the effect.
[09:54] <Syria> Thank you guys for helping me.
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> here's a cool untiy page: http://askubuntu.com/questions/36274/tips-and-tricks-for-unity
[10:01] <Syria> I like the ring switcher :D
[10:01] <Syria> Thank you guys for pimping my Desktop. :P
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> np
[10:06] <ntr0py> anyone using btrfs as root fs?
[10:07] <compdoc> does ubuntu do btrfs yet?
[10:07] <compdoc> ext4 seems plenty good to me
[10:09] <ntr0py> compdoc: yes ext4 is my default fs too, but since the installer has btrfs option i wondered if there will any problems arise when using btrfs as root fs on a sandfroce ssd
[10:09] <ntr0py> e.g is grub able to read from it?
[10:09] <compdoc> I dont think btrfs is production ready - ok to play with tho
[10:10] <nill> i have a problem in ubuntu 11.04 on my dell vostro 1320. Please can anyone help?
[10:11] <compdoc> maybe
[10:11] <Jaxan> Where are the network settings saved? my ubuntu is set up to use a static ip, but i want to change that, and i have no gui at hand...
[10:11] <ntr0py> compdoc: do you know of anything to read/consider before formating a sandfroce ssd with ext4?
[10:11] <nill> i have a high cpu usage , i have a core2duo
[10:12] <nill> it uses 100% both cpu 1 and 2 are using 100%
[10:12] <compdoc> ntr0py, if you use a modern OS like 11.04, theres nothing you need to do special
[10:12] <ntr0py> ok then i will use ext4 for now...
[10:14] <compdoc> nill, what does system monitor say is using the cpu like that?
[10:14] <nill> compdoc
[10:15] <nill> it says 100% usage
[10:15] <nill> there is no high process in use
[10:15] <Jaxan> i have looked in /etc/network/interfaces but all there is is "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback". So why does it use a static ip?
[10:15] <majere> Okay, Now It is I that needs help
[10:16] <ntr0py> nill: maybe use top or htop from terminal
[10:16] <Majere_Draven> I have a quite powerful computer, And it won't let me run unity
[10:17] <Majere_Draven> Also.. I installed in win 7.. Can I some how access my files that are on win7?
[10:18] <_sara--> hej
[10:18] <_sara--> does anyone know how to use ipreditor vpn service?
[10:18] <compdoc> nill, if you click the top of the Column named %CPU, it will sort by usage
[10:18] <_sara--> oski:  hej hur mår du?
[10:18] <ntr0py> nill: i once had problems with update-apt-xapian-index eating all available ressources
[10:21] <nill> @ntropy
[10:21] <lucus> hi! Running on Natty 64bit. When I try to safely remove my external usb hard disk I have a kernel panic after it is unmounted. Any idea on what could be the cause? In Maverick I never had that issue
[10:21] <nill> so what did u do
[10:23] <ntr0py> nill: if it is the same problem (look for pid in top and kill it) you may want to read here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-xapian-index/+bug/363695
[10:23] <xskydevilx> How do I install the global menu in Ubuntu 10.10?
[10:24] <nill> the cpu starts running on login window
[10:24] <nill> in the login screen
[10:24] <nill> its starts to run
[10:24] <nill> it happened after updates
[10:25] <salvo> .org
[10:26] <Majere_Draven> .info
[10:26] <Majere_Draven> wooo
[10:28] <ntr0py> nill: you need to find out which process uses your ressources: type ctrl + alt + f1, login and start top then look for process id with high cpu usage and note the pid, hit ctr+c and then type sudo kill -KILL <PID> and start top again to see if its gone, then you have to further investigate the origin of the problem e.g google for the program in question
[10:29] <lucus> hi! Running on Natty 64bit. When I try to safely remove my external usb hard disk I have a kernel panic after it is unmounted. Any idea on what could be the cause? In Maverick I never had that issue
[10:30] <nill> thanks
[10:31] <Majere_Draven> How do magnets work?
[10:31] <compdoc> they suck metal
[10:32] <Majere_Draven> Thats awesome Comp.
[10:32] <Majere_Draven> ARe you.. ..
[10:32] <compdoc> np
[10:33] <mirricno> where can i ask for troubles with unity?
[10:33] <lucky105> here
[10:33] <Majere_Draven> The Game engine or the GUI?
[10:33] <kLown> What directory can I add a .jar script to, to be able to use it anywhere on the system, instead of using it in the specific folder its in.
[10:34] <ntr0py> nill: if you didnt kill gdm xserver or gnome you can go pack to your graphical interface with ctr alt f7
[10:34] <ps123> hi every 1
[10:34] <K-4U> So, i'm having trouble with my WIFI USB stick. It's a Gigabyte GN-WBKG. When i select the network, it keeps connecting, but after a while tells me that the network connection has been broken
[10:34] <mirricno> ok then ..... Not software rendered:    no
[10:34] <mirricno> Not blacklisted:          yes
[10:34] <mirricno> GLX fbconfig:             yes
[10:34] <mirricno> GLX texture from pixmap:  no
[10:34] <mirricno> GL npot or rect textures: yes
[10:34] <mirricno> GL vertex program:        yes
[10:34] <K-4U> I'm running Ubuntu 10.04
[10:34] <mirricno> GL fragment program:      yes
[10:34] <mirricno> GL vertex buffer object:  yes
[10:34] <mirricno> GL framebuffer object:    yes
[10:34] <mirricno> GL version is 1.4+:       yes
[10:34] <mirricno> Unity supported:          no
[10:34] <tyrone> anyone know why my desktop contrast seems to adjust every time I put the mouse cursor at the top left corner?
[10:34] <mirricno> what's the problem???
[10:35] <Majere_Draven> Lag 3.7 seconds.. That bad?
[10:35] <bindi> !paste | mirricno
[10:35] <K-4U> thnx bindi, was trying to do the same :P
[10:35] <mirricno> sorry :(
[10:35] <K-4U> mirricno: Fresh install?
[10:35] <mirricno> yes
[10:35] <mirricno> just installed
[10:35] <K-4U> mirricno: Boot it, install your video drivers, reboot
[10:36] <tyrone> top right corner rather
[10:37] <mirricno> @k-4U: how can i install the video drivers??? Doesn't ubuntu do that on it's own
[10:37] <mirricno> ?
[10:37] <K-4U> mirricno: Well, not the advanced drivers.. Those are closed, so ubuntu doesn't install them at default
[10:37] <lucky105> I m getting every comment twice on irc !! any problem ?
[10:38] <K-4U> So, i'm having trouble with my WIFI USB stick. It's a Gigabyte GN-WBKG. When i select the network, it keeps connecting, but after a while tells me that the network connection has been broken
[10:38] <compdoc> lucky105, are you sure?
[10:38] <compdoc> lucky105, are you sure?
[10:38] <K-4U> compdoc: lol
[10:38] <Majere_Draven> Thats Strange Lucky
[10:38] <Majere_Draven> Thats Strange Lucky
[10:38] <lucky105> ya
[10:38] <grisk> O_O
[10:38] <grisk> O_O
[10:38] <K-4U> lucky105: no problems here
[10:38] <K-4U> lucky105: no problems here
[10:38] <Majere_Draven> Ive never heard of that before
[10:38] <Majere_Draven> Ive never heard of that before
[10:39] <compdoc> you guys are so mean
[10:39] <Majere_Draven> You started it.
[10:39] <K-4U> lucky105: have you tried reconnecting?
[10:39] <K-4U> lucky105: have you tried reconnecting?
[10:39] <grisk> look who's talking
[10:39] <lucky105> ya
[10:39] <K-4U> oh god i need the logs for this :P
[10:39] <tyrone> is there an echo in here
[10:39] <tyrone> is there an echo in here
[10:39] <kLown> k..
[10:39] <kLown> is it necessary to continue?
[10:39] <K-4U> Is there anybody out there?
[10:39] <K-4U> Is there anybody out there?
[10:40] <K-4U> okay, last one was that.. her her
[10:40] <lucky105> every comment related to me shows 4 times
[10:40] <K-4U> lucky105: you sure no-ones trolling you? :P
[10:40] <kLown> lucky105, have you tried restarting?
[10:40] <kLown> (irc)
[10:40] <Majere_Draven> ..   :P
[10:45] <Majere_Draven> go  CTRL +A CTR:+c ALT+F4 then go to text file and hit CTRL+V
[10:45] <kLown> isnt there somewhere that all ubuntu chats are logged already?
[10:45] <kLown> I forget where though.
[10:45] <K-4U> yeah
[10:45] <K-4U> irclogs.ubuntu.com :P
[10:45] <tyrone> kLown... sorry, just read ^ my bad :D
[10:45] <Majere_Draven> remind me, how do I install NVIDIA drivers?
[10:46] <Majere_Draven> I haven't had ubuntu since 9.
[10:46] <kLown> Majere_Draven, get them from nvidias site?
[10:46] <Majere_Draven> .. You're joking right?
[10:46] <Majere_Draven> IT wasn't that easy before -
[10:46] <jiohdi> Majere_Draven, system/administration/additional drivers
[10:47] <K-4U> Majere_Draven: Settings->Top one->Addit... damn you jiohdi
[10:47] <kLown> I've always found nvidias site to offer the best drivers.  the repo sucks, and is outdated, oddly.
[10:47] <Majere_Draven> .. Repo?
[10:47] <zorindad> Hello.. can someone tell me why my newly installed zorin wants to upgrade to linux mint 11?  will I lose Zorin if I do?
[10:47] <jiohdi> Majere_Draven, repository
[10:48] <K-4U> So, i'm having trouble with my WIFI USB stick. It's a Gigabyte GN-WBKG. When i select the network, it keeps connecting, but after a while tells me that the network connection has been broken
[10:48] <K-4U> damn, logs havent been updated yet :P
[10:48] <tyrone> Majer_Draven:what version of ubuntu are you running
[10:48] <Majere_Draven> Its been to long, maybe i'm just not cut out for ubuntu....
[10:48] <Majere_Draven> Nappy
[10:48] <kLown> Majere_Draven, give it time.  took me weeks in here to get my pc set up correctly the last time.
[10:49] <Majere_Draven> Does sound work on youtube automatically now a days?
[10:49] <Majere_Draven> Or do I have to do the AOSS thing still?
[10:49] <kLown> Majere_Draven, should.
[10:49] <kLown> work fine, that is.
[10:50] <Majere_Draven> I hope so.
[10:50] <tyrone> Majer_Draven: I am using Natty and simply search for settings system settings and go to additional drivers.
[10:50] <Majere_Draven> I remember Dapper Drake and the mess I had to go through
[10:50] <tyrone> my NVIDIA drivers automatically show up there
[10:50] <Majere_Draven> I'm already installing them Tyrone, Thank you.
[10:50] <tyrone> Majer_Draven:OK.
[10:50] <Majere_Draven> I better be done " updating" by 6 or My Fiance will be pissed
[10:51] <kLown> K-4U, i had a similar issue when I was trying to use gnomes stock network manager, i had to switch over to 'wicd' and it worked fine.
[10:51] <Majere_Draven> .. Do alt codes for funny text work in ubuntu?
[10:51] <DirtyDawg> wow not married yet and already scared of the fiance
[10:51] <K-4U> kLown: wicd... let me see
[10:51] <zorindad> hahahaha
[10:51] <Majere_Draven> Its how it goes man.
[10:51] <K-4U> hmm, that was stupid
[10:51] <zorindad> better straighten it out now
[10:52] <zorindad> better straighten it out now
[10:52] <K-4U> i was wondering why my sudo pass wasnt correct.. turns out i was ssh-ing into my server..
[10:52] <kLown> lol
[10:52] <Majere_Draven> I'm going to miss Windows Alt Codes
[10:52] <Majere_Draven> Kind of sad thats the only thing i'm going to miss.
[10:53] <Majere_Draven> Mostly because I've still got windows
[10:53] <K-4U> Majere_Draven: Be glad thats the only thing youre going to miss..
[10:53] <zorindad> does anyone know why my zorin insall when I update it wants to update mint 11?  and also, will it remove zorin if I do?
[10:53] <K-4U> Majere_Draven: im still not switching because i haven't found any good replacements for winamp and windows live messenger..
[10:54] <zorindad> sorry, wants to update toooo  mint 11
[10:54] <lucky105> virus are also cool !!! miss them too ?
[10:54] <shdev> Does anyone know if there is a free alternate to TI-Nspire (CAS tool for calculating stuff)?
[10:54] <Majere_Draven> is chromium the same as google chrome
[10:54] <Majere_Draven> lucky, Don't get into that, We all know the plus sides of linux
[10:54] <kLown> K-4U, empathy doesnt work for you?
[10:54] <compdoc> they call their nix OS chrome too
[10:55] <Majere_Draven> I hate Windows Messenger, I have sex bot that won't go away
[10:55] <K-4U> kLown: Meh, trouble is, that all of my friends are using those advanced fnctions
[10:55] <kLown> K-4U, and what about xmms for winamp?
[10:55] <kLown> very similar.
[10:55] <K-4U> lucky105: Stfu.. i have a virus on my desktop which wont allow me to log in now for 2 days straihgt..
[10:56] <Majere_Draven> Didn't Winamp have a linux port?!
[10:56] <K-4U> kLown: Does it have a nice media library like winamp?
[10:56] <Majere_Draven> GOOGLE AWAY
[10:56] <K-4U> Majere_Draven: As for as i know not..
[10:56] <kLown> K-4U, I havent used it in a year, but last I looked, they were identical.
[10:56] <Majere_Draven> I hate winamp. Technically
[10:56] <K-4U> kLown: Hmm, will check it out.. as soon as i get back into my windows box... im afraid im going to reinstall.. D:
[10:56] <kLown> Majere_Draven, I prefer winamps library over VLC
[10:56] <lucky105> chromium vs chrome http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/ChromiumBrowserVsGoogleChrome
[10:57] <jiohdi> K-4U, there are browser based replacements for live msg such as meebo.com
[10:57] <Majere_Draven> It will be soon.
[10:57] <Majere_Draven> I prefer Zune's my file manager
[10:57] <kLown> lucky105, issues gone?
[10:58] <Majere_Draven> How did Zune get in there?
[10:58] <Majere_Draven> GO HOME ZUNE
[10:58] <jiohdi> K-4U if you can find a THUMB DRIVE version of any windows program it will run under WINE
[10:58] <Zune> Okay.. I'll just go now.
[10:58] <kLown>  /kick zune
[10:58] <lucky105> what issues?
[10:58] <K-4U> wtf? :P
[10:58] <zorindad> So.  am i to assume that no body knows anything about zorin???  Or am I in the wrong chat?
[10:59] <kLown> zorindad, I know nothing about zorin, but did you try a mint channel?
[10:59] <Majere_> I've never heard about Zorin
[10:59] <zorindad> dont know one
[10:59] <zorindad> zorin emmulates windozzze
[11:00] <pozic> I upgraded to 11.04, but pressing e.g. the u maps to a 4. The other keyboard connected (this one), does work.\
[11:00] <K-4U> kLown: The wicd, where can i find it? :P
[11:00] <kLown> apt-get install wicd
[11:00] <jiohdi> zorin is a ubuntu based OS much like Mint so yes you are in the wrong channel
[11:00] <pozic> Before 11.04 the other keyboard worked.
[11:00] <Majere_> So google Chrome is better?
[11:00] <K-4U> kLown: yeah, i have it installed, and oh.. there it is :P
[11:01] <zorindad> it was made to look and act like xp or 7.. I just installed it yesterday and when I go to update it, it says there is a new version out but its Linux mint 11 and I don't want it to change my zorin to mint
[11:01] <lucky105> Gwibber not working for me in natty ? it doesnt show any tweets !!!
[11:01] <kLown> K-4U, like I said, I had a "similar" issue, not sure it that will work for you or not, but its worth a try
[11:01] <lucky105> Its just useless
[11:02] <lucky105> My echo problem gone ??? just reconnected !!
[11:02] <jiohdi> zorindad, just uncheck distro-upgrade and let it do normal upgrades
[11:02] <Majere_> testing for lucky105
[11:02] <Majere_> testing for lucky105
[11:02] <lucky105> lol
[11:03] <Majere_> Is it working?
[11:03] <lucky105> hey dont do that !!!
[11:03] <kLown> What directory can I add a .jar script to, to be able to use it anywhere on the system, instead of using it in the specific folder its in.
[11:03] <grisk> lucky105: yay
[11:03] <Majere_> Lols
[11:03] <jiohdi> kLown, /usr/bin
[11:03] <lucky105> ya
[11:04] <Majere_> I'm Bi-Winning
[11:04] <Majere_> ahh.. debian packages
[11:04] <Majere_> I missed you little debbies
[11:04] <Majere_> .. Now I'm hungry
[11:05] <kLown> jiohdi, thanks.
[11:05] <pozic> I already solved the issue.
[11:05] <compdoc> Im hungry too- its 4am
[11:05] <Majere_> Know what I really like about Ubuntu.. all these people helping people...
[11:05] <pozic> Majere_: I would prefer an always working system.
[11:05] <jiohdi> kLown, you might need to run a file manager as root to move it there though
[11:05] <Majere_> What are you talking about pozic?
[11:06] <elkuka> hi everyone. my laptop doesn't show hibernation option. I made a swap partition big enough. everytime I restart the computer if I go to gparten and select it, it gives me the option "swapon" and since then if I run "swapon -s" on terminal it shows me swap partition with priority -1. after I restart it theres nothing there anymore
[11:06] <kLown> jiohdi, I was able to move it, and give it a+x to run it.
[11:06] <lucky105>  I m in future!! its 3:35pm
[11:06] <Majere_> Ubuntu work. you just have to work it.
[11:06] <Majere_> Thats the past.
[11:06] <Majere_> Thats yesterday
[11:06] <kLown> you're yesterday.
[11:06] <kLown> I mean..hi :D
[11:06] <Majere_> Get real, You lottery numbers are 22 33 06
[11:07] <lucky105>  ..its today
[11:07] <jiohdi> lucky105, are you in sunday or monday
[11:07] <elkuka> any idea how to make  hibernation work?
[11:07] <jiohdi> or saturday
[11:07] <lucky105> sunday
[11:07] <elkuka> any help?
[11:07] <Majere_> Oh wait, I'm in the future too. 2012 really does happen. Only its not a world ending event. ITs the Freedom Singularity. And windows is still at 7, And people are using Ubuntu  Certified Cyborg 122.40
[11:07] <jiohdi> if 3pm sunday you are in my futgure
[11:07] <jiohdi> future*
[11:08] <lucky105> yep
[11:08] <elkuka> 7 hours since sunday, my new laptop doesn't want to work. any help?
[11:08] <jiohdi> Majere_, actually windows 8 will be out
[11:08] <compdoc> the Freedom Singularity? heh
[11:08] <Majere_> Is 8 going to be more like Ubuntu
[11:08] <Majere_> ?
[11:08] <pozic> Majere_: you should stop smoking.
[11:08] <jiohdi> elkuka, as in what sort of not wanting to work
[11:08] <Majere_> Thats what my friend said about 7, and couldn't be wronger.
[11:08] <Jaxan> Help :(. My apt-get won't update. it stalls and says "Waiting for headers". It works fine on a different machine (same repo's)
[11:09] <elkuka> doesn't show hibernation option. I made a swap partition big enough. everytime I restart the computer if I go to gparten and select it, it gives me the option "swapon" and since then if I run "swapon -s" on terminal it shows me swap partition with priority -1. after I restart it theres nothing there anymore
[11:09] <pylix> 7 is more like Ubuntu than previous versions
[11:09] <elkuka> jiohdi
[11:09] <jiohdi> Jaxan, you can use synaptic
[11:09] <Majere_> The appthing is still at the bottum.
[11:09] <compdoc> I think Unity or windows vista/7 have one thing in common - but dunno who stole from who
[11:09] <ejv> couldn't be more wrong*
[11:09] <Jaxan> jiohdi: i have no gui :P
[11:10] <pozic> Can I add another entry to the left Unity menu>
[11:10] <Majere_> I was emphasizing the point by saying it wrong.
[11:10] <pozic> Drag and drop does not work.
[11:10] <kLown> Jaxan, did you add anything to the repo list?
[11:10] <jiohdi>  Jaxan have you tried aptitude
[11:10] <Jaxan> kLown: i did, but i removed it
[11:10] <Jaxan> jiohdi: same problem
[11:10] <Majere_> I'm gonna try unity now
[11:11] <lethu> hello, I have an issue with wireless, it worked during install of ubuntu, but once I have booted into the installed system it just disappeared and when I try installing the additional drivers for my wifi adapter I get an error and install cannot continue
[11:11] <elkuka> any idea how to make hibernation work. if now it's pointless to have swap partition
[11:11] <elkuka> ?
[11:11] <jiohdi> swap partitions are used for other things too
[11:11] <compdoc> swap partition has more uses than hibernation
[11:11] <elkuka> like?
[11:11] <jiohdi> memory page files
[11:11] <compdoc> swapping
[11:11] <elkuka> just to store eam?
[11:11] <elkuka> *ram
[11:12] <jiohdi> yes
[11:12] <lethu> here is the error log from /var/log/jockey.log, http://pastebin.com/Pe2B81A3
[11:12] <compdoc> in fact, does hibernation even use the swap area? I wouldnt have thought so
[11:12] <pozic> Why did they pick Unity as name? There is a game engine with that name.
[11:12] <lethu> plz somebody help me
[11:12] <pozic> That is just stupid, imho.
[11:13] <jiohdi> pozic, because the goal is to unify the interface for all systems like laptops desktops phones tablets etc
[11:13] <K-4U> oh god
[11:13] <K-4U> am i back?
[11:13] <compdoc> where did u go?
[11:13] <pozic> jiohdi: yes, but if you look for unity, you get unity3d, not Ubuntu unity.
[11:13] <jiohdi> pozic, the unity is specifically targetted to touch screens
[11:13] <K-4U> i have no idea.. the IRC all of the suddent went VERY silent
[11:13] <K-4U> kLown still here?
[11:13] <kLown> yep
[11:14] <compdoc> you went into the future!!!
[11:14] <kLown> Jaxan, can you post ur /etc/apt.conf plz.
[11:14] <pozic> jiohdi: how can I add a menu entry>
[11:14] <jiohdi> K-4U, you likely lost your server connection, it happens alot on irc
[11:14] <K-4U> kLown: i have tried wicd.. but it tells me the passphrase is incorrect, though i am 100% sure that it is the correct pass
[11:14] <pozic> jiohdi: (to the left Unity menu)
[11:14] <elkuka> I see. still everytime I restart it doesnt have any swap at all unless I add it in gparted
[11:15] <Jaxan> kLown: meh, i'm going to reinstall ubuntu
[11:15] <jiohdi> pozic, you can click on the one for applications and then back click on the app and it will have something that says add to launcher
[11:15] <kLown> Jaxan, k, good luck.
[11:15] <pozic> jiohdi: but I want to add a folder there for example
[11:15] <compdoc> elkuka, you partitioned by hand during install?
[11:15] <pozic> jiohdi: or a file
[11:15] <pozic> jiohdi: that was possible in Gnome.
[11:15] <elkuka> I have had lots of troubles with ubuntu lately. I just lost lots of info
[11:15] <kLown> K-4U, hm, are you sure you are using the correct encryption?
[11:15] <jiohdi> pozic, or your can RUN a program anyway you can and when it shows up in the list you can back click and it gives an option to keep it in launcher
[11:15] <elkuka> yes I partitioned by hand during install
[11:15] <lethu> can somebody help me with this wireless problem, I am on the edge of giving up....
[11:16] <K-4U> kLown: which one is for wpa-psk?
[11:16] <K-4U> lethu: join the club :P what's your issue?
[11:16] <elkuka> compdoc:
[11:16] <jiohdi> pozic, there is no option for folders by themselves, just file managers
[11:16] <pozic> jiohdi: shows up in which list?
[11:16] <lethu> hello, I have an issue with wireless, it worked during install of ubuntu, but once I have booted into the installed system it just disappeared and when I try installing the additional drivers for my wifi adapter I get an error and install cannot continue here is the error log from /var/log/jockey.log, http://pastebin.com/Pe2B81A3
[11:16] <jiohdi> the back click menu list
[11:16] <pozic> jiohdi: how do I get there?
[11:16] <lethu> K-4U, reposted my message
[11:16] <majere> .. I'm not sure If I like Unity
[11:17] <jiohdi> pozic, you can click on the one for applications and then back click on the app and it will have something that says add to launcher
[11:17] <compdoc> I like how Ubuntu partitons my drives, so I let it
[11:17] <shdev> I hate unity.. my netbook wont collaborate with it. :(
[11:17] <K-4U> lethu: okay.. don't know that one..
[11:17] <jiohdi> pozic, it should be one of the ones near the very bottom of the launchers on the left side
[11:17] <majere> It looks.. Gimmicky
[11:18] <kLown> K-4U, take a look at this:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1498035
[11:18] <majere> And I can't Customize it. Or move it
[11:18] <pozic> jiohdi: aren't they just 'launchers'?
[11:18] <compdoc> the easiest way to use unity, is the same way to use win7: click the Ubuntu icon, and type in the name of the program
[11:18] <jiohdi> pozic, yes
[11:18] <pozic> jiohdi: how can I create a custom launcher?
[11:18] <pozic> jiohdi: I believe I also did that in Gnome.
[11:18] <kLown> ugh , bcm43xx drivers..god i hate them.
[11:18] <elkuka> lethu did u try wicd? it works great
[11:18] <majere> I don't want to type. If i wanted to type, Ide use Terminal
[11:18] <pozic> I remember being annoyed with not just being able to drag and drop a file there.
[11:18] <lethu> wicd ?
[11:19] <jiohdi> pozic, I dont know any way to make a custom launcher sorry
[11:19] <compdoc> heh
[11:19] <lethu> elkuka, is it an app ?
[11:19] <pozic> jiohdi: never mind. I do know.
[11:19] <kLown> lethu, what version of ubuntu are you running?>
[11:19] <pozic> jiohdi: thanks
[11:19] <lethu> kLown, latest
[11:19] <compdoc> you dont like to type and youre using nix? Its madness I tell you, madness!
[11:19] <elkuka> yes, for wireless, it worked for me when nothing else worked
[11:20] <majere> whats nix?
[11:20] <compdoc> a version of linux
[11:20] <lethu> elkuka, can I apt-get it ?
[11:20] <majere> you mean linux?
[11:20] <silvering> hi guys, i got a little big of situation here, with slow transfer rate from one sata drive to another
[11:20] <majere> I'm using nappy
[11:20] <kLown> apt-get install wicd
[11:20] <compdoc> *sudo
[11:20] <majere> now to test the awesomeness of youtube on ubuntu
[11:21] <lethu> kLown, ok going ot try this now
[11:21] <kLown> lethu, I just posted this to K-4U, might want to read:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1498035  if you have any issues
[11:21] <majere> after i update flash
[11:21] <elkuka> lethu from softwae centre u can get it. not sure whats the name for apt
[11:22] <K-4U> kLown: so you think that network-manager might be interfering?
[11:22] <pozic> How can I see a list op open graphical applications?
[11:22] <pozic> of*
[11:22] <kLown> K-4U, possibly.
[11:22] <pozic> jiohdi: basically there is also a 'protection' to not be able to add invalid launchers to the menu.
[11:22] <kLown> K-4U, either way, I hate the network-manager, I feel wicd is 100% better.
[11:22] <lethu> kLown, so do I have to remove network-manager ?
[11:23] <kLown> but thats my personal opinion.
[11:23] <pozic> jiohdi: except there is no warning. Otherwise, a fairly OK system.
[11:23] <kLown> lethu, I would install wicd, and see if you have any issues first.
[11:23] <jiohdi> pozic, in terminal you can type ps ux
[11:23] <lethu> elkuka, installed it with apt-get
[11:23] <compdoc> lethu, no need to, but you can
[11:23] <pozic> jiohdi: that's not what I want.
[11:23] <pozic> jiohdi: I want a similar option like Gnome had.
[11:23] <lethu> ok, I'll see if it works now
[11:23] <majere> use gnome?
[11:23] <jiohdi> what was it called in gnome
[11:23] <kLown> compdoc, I had about a year ago, not sure how much has changed.
[11:24] <pozic> jiohdi: so, e.g. a toolbar with applications or I believe there is this expose kind of system.
[11:24] <pozic> Isn't there a manual for unity?
[11:24] <compdoc> kLown, I set up my connections manually, but as long as you delete the conenctions from network manager, it doesnt matter if its still there
[11:25] <jiohdi> most linux manuals are like japanese stereo instructions
[11:25] <pozic> There is, and in the expected place.
[11:25] <pozic> jiohdi: I disagree.
[11:25] <majere> should have looked there first?
[11:25] <pozic> majere: can you stop whining?
[11:25] <jiohdi> pozic, then you know a lot more about computers than I do because most of the time I can't make heads nor arses of them
[11:25] <pozic> jiohdi: I likely do, yes.
[11:26] <anddam> hello
[11:26] <lethu> ok, had to remove network-manager in order for wicd to start
[11:26] <pozic> I think the OS should have started with "Hi, welcome to 11.04. This OS has a new graphical interface, do you want to take a tour?".
[11:26] <anddam> can I install all software in a certain category using Ubuntu Software Center GUI app?
[11:26] <lethu> but now how can I access wicd settings ?
[11:27] <pozic> It should detect based on a possible previous installation whether Gnome had been used, etc.
[11:27] <kLown> pozic, I agree, except it should have said "would you like to remove this new graphical interface"
[11:27] <jiohdi> anddam, mostly not all
[11:27] <pozic> kLown: I am not at that point of hatred, yet.
[11:27] <kLown> lethu, there should be an icon like network-manager had, at the top toolbar.
[11:27] <pozic> kLown: On a widescreen, I can see some of its points.
[11:27] <jiohdi> pozic, you will get there :)
[11:27] <anddam> jiohdi: can you detail further? why 'mostly'?
[11:28] <majere> Why is software center teasing me with the recomendations.?
[11:28] <lethu> kLown, I don't see it
[11:28] <jiohdi> anddam, the software center does not contain everything you can add... you can see more via synaptic or aptitude
[11:28] <wsbmilk> ??
[11:28] <kLown> compdoc, you have wicd installed currently, correct?
[11:28] <anddam> jiohdi: right, can I install all software listed in Get Software > Games > All ?
[11:28] <anddam> I mean with a single command
[11:29] <BlouBlou> any good cli web-browser?ç
[11:29] <jiohdi> anddam, if you can I do not know about it
[11:29] <lethu> kLown, do I have to restart perhaps ?
[11:29] <compdoc> kLown, no, not on this system. Cant help with settings
[11:29] <pozic> BlouBlou: links2
[11:29] <anddam> jiohdi: how do I specify category with aptitude?
[11:29] <anddam> ~c ?
[11:30] <pozic> BlouBlou: it
[11:30] <Jaxan> does ubuntu 64bit work well with ati videocards?
[11:30] <majere> Every time I click on reccomndation, It stops being a link.
[11:30] <kLown> lethu, I dont have it installed on here either, for some reason network manager worked perfect for me.  try to restart and see if it shows up.
[11:30] <jiohdi> anddam, I am not much above a noob so I do not know all your answers, just some basics
[11:30] <pozic> BlouBlou: "works" for downloading e.g. drivers.
[11:30] <thian1> join #semarang
[11:30] <lethu> kLown, ok, brb
[11:30] <wsbmilk> Chinese guys?
[11:30] <kLown> Jaxan, did you get that issue fixed?
[11:30] <pozic> Jaxan: it "works".
[11:30] <BlouBlou> pozic: okay, thank you, that's what I need :)
[11:30] <anddam> jiohdi: thanks anyway
[11:30] <Kaihui> who's Chinese guys?
[11:30] <pozic> Jaxan: proprietary drivers are not stable.
[11:31] <Jaxan> pozic: does 32bit make any difference?
[11:31] <wsbmilk> i am
[11:31] <pozic> Jaxan: so, expecting months of uptime is not going to happen if you heavily compute.
[11:31] <pozic> Jaxan: likely not.
[11:31] <Jaxan> kLown: reinstalling fixes all ;)
[11:31] <pozic> Jaxan: proprietary code usually stinks.
[11:31] <kLown> Jaxan, lol.  it was probably something when you edited your repo listing.  but glad ya fixed it.
[11:31] <pozic> Jaxan: with open-source you can at least see what kind of a mess people made.
[11:31] <willemb> can someone here please help me get 4-channel analogue audio to work?
[11:32] <Jaxan> kLown: i had more issues... so...
[11:33] <kLown> Jaxan, I couldn't agree more...jk :P
[11:33] <wsbmilk> how to setup a gnome theme?
[11:34] <pozic> wsbmilk: gnome-appearance-properties
[11:35] <kLown> K-4U, you get it figured out yet?
[11:35] <jiltdil> i want to learn c language basics how many days wil it take?
[11:35] <K-4U> kLown: still working on it.. damn laptop is very very slow
[11:35] <pozic> jiltdil: that depends on your background.
[11:36] <jiltdil> pozic:means?
[11:36] <pozic> jiltdil: what kind of education do you have?
[11:36] <jiltdil> pozic:i am in 10th
[11:36] <Lekensteyn> jiltdil: buy a book (The C Programming Language, 2nd edition) and do exercises while reading
[11:36] <pozic> jiltdil: so, you are about 14?
[11:37] <jiltdil> pozic:hm
[11:37] <bullgard4> [OO.o 3.2, HSQLDB] includes a file /database/script having the line: »SET TABLE "tbBegriffe20101010" INDEX'125461776 53292'« (which I have not produced directly). What is the effect of this line?
[11:37] <Lekensteyn> L0C41H05T: see also http://stackoverflow.com/q/562303/427545
[11:37] <pozic> jiltdil: ?
[11:37] <Lekensteyn> jiltdil: see also http://stackoverflow.com/q/562303/427545
[11:37] <pozic> jiltdil: C is a very bad programming language.
[11:38] <jiohdi> I thought most modern kids spoke C native :)
[11:38] <pozic> jiltdil: C is 1970s technology.
[11:38] <jiltdil> pozic: linux is also based on c :)
[11:38] <pozic> jiltdil: Linux is also a big mistake.
[11:38] <jiohdi> C is still suprizingly popular
[11:38] <jiltdil> pozic: i learns with mistake
[11:39] <jiltdil> pozic:  :)
[11:39] <pozic> jiltdil: I know other things which are popular, but not good.
[11:39] <jiohdi> pozic, why do you say its a mistake?
[11:39] <Lekensteyn> pozic: what would you suggest then? It's dangerous if not used well
[11:39] <pozic> Lekensteyn: Scheme.
[11:39] <Traintop> Hi Folks! I just installed 11.04 and it works quite flawless; but one thing I just detected is; I have a fingerprint-reader and it works flawless in login-screen but if I have to verify myself for e.g. "Users and Groups" it does not show the window prompting for my fingerscan but there also is no window where I could type my password manually; -so I cannot change anything in "Users and Groups" :-( -any ideas
[11:39] <pozic> Scheme is simple, predictable, etc.
[11:39] <jiltdil> pozic: so according to you which language i should start learning
[11:40] <pozic> jiltdil: pick Racket.
[11:40] <pozic> jiltdil: Racket is a derivative of Scheme.
[11:40] <pozic> jiltdil: it is well documented, etc.
[11:40] <Traintop> jiltdil: I would suggest Java or something like this for your first programming language
[11:41] <pozic> Traintop: Java is way too complicated.
[11:41] <Barami> Python.
[11:41] <Barami> Python is interesting.
[11:41] <pozic> Python is also a big mess.
[11:41] <Traintop> pozic: ? it's one of the easiest to learn imperative languages out there... :-)
[11:41] <pozic> Traintop: yes, and it has lots of fundamental failures.
[11:42] <kLown> pozic, just wondering..do you like anything?
[11:42] <pozic> In Scheme, you program against a specification of 50 pages.
[11:42] <Lekensteyn> kLown: +1
[11:42] <Traintop> pozic: this is like saying: your first car should be porsche 911: a fiat 500 has too many fundamental failures...
[11:42] <pozic> kLown: yes.
[11:42] <pozic> Traintop: no.
[11:42] <pozic> Traintop: a porsche 911 would be Coq.
[11:43] <jiltdil> i am confused now ...which language should i start as my first programming langugae?
[11:43] <pozic> jiltdil: Racket.
[11:43] <jiltdil> pozic:thanks
[11:43] <pozic> jiltdil: there is zero useless complexity in that language.
[11:43] <Lekensteyn> pozic: is it useful?
[11:43] <Traintop> but besides this: any ideas about fingerprint-scanner in 11.04?
[11:44] <pozic> Lekensteyn: it is a general purpose language.
[11:44] <Taev> i hear ruby is easy
[11:44] <pozic> The reason why Scheme, etc., are better than those one day fly programming languages, is that your code still works after 30 years with minimal difficulty.
[11:44] <Lekensteyn> jiltdil: http://askubuntu.com/q/8209/6969 might be of interest for you
[11:44] <cloventt> I started with java and python
[11:44] <cloventt> python is pretty easy to pick up
[11:45] <kLown> pyton was easy, java, not so much.
[11:45] <cloventt> indeed
[11:45] <pozic> Decorators are not very pythonic.
[11:46] <pozic> They have nothing to do with "pseudo-code".
[11:46] <jiltdil> Thanks to all
[11:46] <kLown> pozic, where is it normally used, and for what?  Simple, self used programs, or is it used for bigger stuff?  I've never even heard of it.
[11:47] <pozic> kLown: who cares about that?
[11:47] <kLown> pozic, I would guess, since i asked the question..I do.
[11:49] <Traintop> in the end each imperative language is as good as every other imperative language :-)
[11:49] <cloventt> isn't scheme a lisp variant?
[11:49] <Traintop> and functional languages are ony for masochists :-)
[11:49] <Traintop> s/ony/only/
[11:49] <cloventt> one of my lecturers used to use it
[11:50] <spektreii> hello, im having issues with my keyboard.  Fresh install 11.04.  The keyboard has an extremely slow response time (takes forever to type something out).  I did some checking on the internet and most ts seems to point to "slow-keys" in accessibility, but this is not the issue as I have ensured they are turned off.  Any ideas what could be going on?
[11:50] <cloventt> spektreii: have you ahd the issue with any previous versions of ubutnu?
[11:50] <spektreii> also of note, this seemed to start happening after installing the ATI restricted drivers
[11:51] <spektreii> Cloventt, unknown this is also a brand new computer.
[11:51] <spektreii> Keyboard worked fine in W7 though.
[11:51] <jiohdi> spektreii, did you see if there are any programs hogging up all the cpu time?
[11:51] <majere> Sound Works Youtube No additional Work. Woo
[11:52] <kLown> majere, nice.
[11:52] <spektreii> checking jiohdi
[11:52] <majere> Not at all like the old ubuntu lol.
[11:52] <suiqiang> hi
[11:53] <majere> Its no cake to install flash player for chrome though.
[11:53] <cloventt> majere: doesn't it come with flash as standard?
[11:53] <kLown> never cared for chrome.
[11:53] <jiohdi> majere, you can install flash via software store and that should work on all apps
[11:54] <majere> ...
[11:54] <spektreii> johdi:  nothing seems to be out of the ordinary on the process list, though it does have a slightly high load average: 1.63, 1.61, 0.95 - cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -c processor 6
[11:54] <majere> Jihodi. I did all that for nothing?
[11:54] <majere> I am super scared of the terminal, And i totally used it.
[11:55] <jiohdi> majere, dont know... if it worked I guess its not for nothing
[11:55] <cloventt> majere: the terminal is your best friend
[11:55] <kLown> majere, better get used to the terminal, it will become ur best friend.
[11:55] <kLown> lol, damn you cloventt :P
[11:55] <cloventt> kLown: lolz
[11:55] <spektreii> lol
[11:55] <majere> I know,..  We were givin easy and full of security holes, Now we have to do alittle work for some security, and its hard.
[11:57] <kLown> because its google, and they change everything cus they can.
[11:57] <vak> Is it possible to Install Ubuntu directly from Internet? (kind of like Gentoo or something?)
[11:57] <majere> Google Owns Ubuntu Klown?
[11:57] <kLown> oh, i thought you ment in chrome.
[11:57] <jiohdi> vak, yes, through wubi, on windows, but I would not recommend that, because it crashes too many systems
[11:58] <cloventt> majere: no they don't
[11:58] <llutz> !mini  | vak
[11:58] <vak> jiohdi: I see. by the way, PXE works only on LAN ?
[11:58] <jiohdi> vak, if you are running windows you can down load a ubuntu .iso and run it in a virtual box
[11:58] <kLown> majere, my apologizes, I thought you ment in chrome.  not the new theme they decided to use for 11.04
[11:59] <MonkeyDu1t> about no-ip: when my wan ip-address changes, my website is gone, hints&tips about settings or scripts, anyone?
[11:59] <vak> llutz: minimalCD means CD :P
[11:59] <llutz> vak: use grub to boot the iso, get stuff from inet, done
[11:59] <cloventt> majere: if you don't like where the buttons are there is bound to be a way to change it
[11:59] <kLown> MonkeyDu1t, set a static ip?
[11:59] <vak> jiohdi: llutz: I am wondering if usual networking could be enough :)
[11:59] <MonkeyDu1t> kLown: a static wan ip?
[12:00] <jiohdi> vak, enough to do what?
[12:00] <shdev> In my country you have to pay your ISP for a static isp :(
[12:00] <shdev> ip*
[12:00] <MonkeyDu1t> same here, shdev
[12:00] <majere> I was just curious why they were changed.
[12:00] <llutz> vak: you already have a linux running? you could use debootstrap
[12:00] <vak> jiohdi: to install Ubuntu. From scratch.
[12:00] <majere> In my country you don't get the option.
[12:00] <kLown> MonkeyDu1t, I apologize, I read that incorrectly.
[12:00] <majere> With my ISP
[12:00] <K-4U> kLown? Damn.. i cannot get an IP address
[12:00] <cloventt> MonkeyDu1t: your wan is supplied by your isp, if you want a static one you have to go to them
[12:00] <jiohdi> vak, what os would you be using?
[12:00] <kLown> K-4U, whats the issue ur having now?
[12:01] <K-4U> kLown: i don't get an IP address with dhcp
[12:01] <K-4U> kLown: setting a static IP doesn't work either
[12:01] <vak> llutz: my linux was broken during upgrade (wife closed the notebook -- you know "those things that nusty men always leave undone!")
[12:02] <kLown> K-4U, have you tried to restart yet?  Might still be trying to use the old config?
[12:02] <vak> jiohdi: my (crazy) idea was to use PXE or smth -- but PXE is only for LAN :(
[12:02] <deckstar> K-4U: generally if you've got no ip address, its the modem not giving it out
[12:02] <majere> For a moment there, I forgot notebooks are computers.. And  I was like" What does her closing your notebook have to do with linux..
[12:02] <deckstar> restarting modem can help
[12:02] <K-4U> kLown: restart what? the laptop?
[12:02] <K-4U> majere: lol :P
[12:02] <K-4U> deckstar: Err.. no.. this problem most def is not modem related
[12:03] <majere> I've been up too long.
[12:03] <kLown> K-4U, does ifconfig show anything?
[12:03] <tanath> has alt+f2 been removed in 11.04? it's not working for me...
[12:03] <K-4U> majere: what timezone are you in?
[12:03] <tanath> (in gnome)
[12:03] <majere> CENTRAL standard time.
[12:03] <BlouBlou> tanath: works fine for me
[12:03] <kLown> tanath, alt-f2 works fine for me.
[12:03] <tanath> hrm
[12:03] <vak> OK guys. I see. One has to burn a CD. No way. :(
[12:03] <Xaevo> tanath: keyboard shortcuts maybe?
[12:03] <tanath> it worked before upgrade...
[12:03] <K-4U> kLown: Yeah, but only the eth0 has an ip
[12:04] <majere> The center of the universe.. what does alt f2 do?
[12:04] <cloventt> K-4U: sort of, it takes you to the unity 'run' command instead
[12:04] <jiohdi> tanath, I am using classic and its gone here too
[12:04] <K-4U> cloventt: err?
[12:04] <tanath> jibadeeha, same
[12:04] <cloventt> K-4U: whoops wrong person
[12:04] <majere> It opens run application for me
[12:04] <shdev> If your router supports I actually think you can set it to use services like noip and dyndns and automatically update it if it changes. I'm pretty sure my old router had that option
[12:04] <K-4U> cloventt: Was already thinking 'wtf does unity have to do with my wifi issue?'
[12:04] <kLown> K-4U, is it showing a lan ip?
[12:04] <tanath> majere, you in gnome or unity?
[12:05] <jiohdi> tanath, actually no, I found it, its still here, I was hitting ctrl in the dark
[12:05] <K-4U> kLown: Yeah, my eth0 has an ip address, the wlan doesnt
[12:05] <majere> gnome
[12:05] <majere> I Hate Unity
[12:05] <tanath> ok, why is it working for everyone but me then? lol. it worked before upgrading
[12:05] <Kaihui> Me too
[12:05] <K-4U> kLown: the issue is that when i try to connect with wicd to a wifi network, it shuts down my eth0 onnection
[12:05] <majere> Couldn't stand it for more than 10 seconds
[12:05] <Xaevo> tanath: go to keyboard shortcuts
[12:06] <K-4U> majere: I actually tried... for about a minute or so
[12:06] <tanath> hm, actually alt+f1 isn't working either
[12:06] <shdev> Ubuntu Classic Ftw, any? :D
[12:06] <majere> 10 seconds after i set everything up the way i thought I'de like it.
[12:06] <jiohdi> majere, I tried it again... but after a reboot it vanished
[12:06] <tanath> Xaevo, already checked & reset that.
[12:06] <Xaevo> tanath: maybe your keyboard is broken.
[12:06] <K-4U> majere: i think that the new guys probably are going to like it.. but the guys who are used to gnome... meh
[12:06] <kLown> K-4U, I might have to install wicd to test.
[12:06] <tanath> Xaevo, lol, no. then it wouldn't have recognized the shortcut
[12:06] <K-4U> majere: same that people who are used to gnome, rarely switch to KDE
[12:06] <jiohdi> majere, have you tried Cairo-dock or AWN, they replace unity very well :)
[12:06] <kLown> K-4U, I thought that was normal.  no need to have two connections to the same router.
[12:07] <majere> Ugh... My Fiance is so going to strangle me if I run up our bandwidth.
[12:07] <K-4U> kLown: Well, yeah.. but not if you have the IRC open on the same box :P
[12:07] <majere> I would be nice, If i could move the bar
[12:07] <Kaihui> What about ubuntu11.10?Using Unity?
[12:07] <shdev> k4u, have you tried searching for a driver for your wirelesscard? :)
[12:07] <kLown> jiohdi, Have they fixed cairo-dock?  about a year ago it was buggy as hell?
[12:07] <K-4U> shdev: Not sure if this is driver related.. If it was, i probably wouldn't see it all?
[12:07] <majere> I got so used to using the right side of the screen.
[12:08] <jiohdi> kLown, been using it about a week, so far so good, no crashes other than it making unity vanish
[12:08] <K-4U> shdev: are you in the dutch ubuntu channel too btw? :P kinda saw you talking about dyndns and no-ip
[12:08] <shdev> what's cairo dock?
[12:08] <kLown> jiohdi, unity needs to vanish anyway :P
[12:08] <majere> PLease FFMPEG, don;t kill my bandwidth before the fiance gets on her facebook games and i can blame it on her.
[12:08] <jiohdi> shdev, makes ubuntu look like a mac
[12:08] <MonkeyDu1t> about no-ip: when my wan ip-address changes, my website is gone, hints&tips about settings or scripts, anyone? i followed these instructions, no errors, but it won't work http://ubuntulinuxhowto.blogspot.com/2006/06/dynamic-dns-no-ip.html
[12:08] <tanath> anything else that might prevent alt+f1,f2 from working?
[12:08] <shdev> So basicly like awm?
[12:09] <shdev> *avant window manager
[12:09] <jiohdi> shdev, its a bit more than awm, but I use both on different machines
[12:09] <jiohdi> I like them both
[12:09] <Furai`> gtfo
[12:09] <K-4U> problem with awn is that it has very poor support for dual monitor users
[12:09] <Furai`> woot woo
[12:09] <majere> Any of you live in the country, and in the US heres a tip.. Don't Get HUGHES NET it's not any better than Dial up
[12:09] <kLown> cairo had no support when I switched back to windows.
[12:10] <brocade> hello
[12:10] <whyeonseo> can anyone help me
[12:10] <tanath> whyeonseo, no
[12:10] <brocade> ......
[12:10] <kLown> K-4U, you said you attempted to set up a manual ip addy, correct?
[12:10] <majere> What do you need
[12:10] <majere> Ask a question
[12:11] <K-4U> kLown: Yep
[12:11] <whyeonseo> ubuntu 10.10 keeps asking me for acd rom
[12:11] <whyeonseo> a cd rom
[12:11] <airtonix> wish i had an acdc rom
[12:11] <K-4U> whyeonseo: then give it to him?
[12:11] <kLown> K-4U, outside of the routers normal pool?
[12:11] <majere> Give it one
[12:11] <K-4U> acdc! :D
[12:11] <tanath> whyeonseo, CD or CD-ROM? first is a disc, 2nd is a drive discs go in
[12:11] <whyeonseo> but my computer doesn't have a cd driver
[12:11] <K-4U> kLown: with wicd. Normally that is enough
[12:11] <whyeonseo> i installed ubuntu using daemon
[12:12] <K-4U> whyonseo: Wait... what? :\ You installed it from windows? :P
[12:12] <GregAce> hi all
[12:12] <majere> ... You do know Daemon is software and not active when your operating system isn't operating right?
[12:12] <Whisperity> hello. do you know a way how can I make EVOLUTION only close it's window when I click close button? It closes the entire app and it's annoying (I want to make it work like GWIBBER and EMPATHY whom only close their window and remain sentient in the background)
[12:12] <whyeonseo> yes
[12:12] <kLown> K-4U, not sure i understand.
[12:13] <K-4U> kLown: in the settings of wicd, i set an IP address. so that it wouldn't get one from the dhcp
[12:13] <majere> You can't continue the installation Whyeonseo
[12:13] <kLown> K-4U, if its inside the routers normal pool (lets say the pool is .100-199), normally it wont accept it.
[12:13] <whyeonseo> no I did install it the problem is
[12:13] <whyeonseo> software center is not workin
[12:13] <whyeonseo> updates too
[12:13] <check3r> when i want to "apt-get remove libdrm-nouveau1a" it wants to delete 1.334 MB wtf?
[12:13] <K-4U> kLown: oh that you mean by pool :P err.. no, i gave it an ip address that is outside the pool
[12:14] <majere> use daemon, put the cd in
[12:14] <majere> I think theres linux Daemon. someone gave its name earler
[12:14] <kLown> K-4U, and you are sure the dns, and everything is correct?
[12:14] <K-4U> kLown: Yeah, it should be. I allways use these settings on windows
[12:14] <MonkeyDust> what's the channel for server support?
[12:14] <whyeonseo> linux daemon plz
[12:15] <majere> ..
[12:15] <K-4U> whyeonseo: http://lmgtfy
[12:15] <K-4U> even too lazy to fill in the damn form
[12:15] <bazhang> K-4U, dont do that here
[12:15] <tanath> ok, my media keys work fine, but alt+f2 and alt+f1 don't work at all. they're set correctly in 'keyboard shortcuts' and it recognizes when i press them...
[12:15] <kLown> K-4U, i find it weird, with network-manager you were getting device issues, now u just cant get an ip.
[12:16] <bazhang> whyeonseo, remove the cd from the sources.list
[12:16] <K-4U> bazhang: Sorry
[12:16] <Kaihui> Any guy use amorok?
[12:16] <bazhang> Kaihui, please ask your real question
[12:16] <tanath> Kaihui, ew. no
[12:16] <K-4U> kLown: Yep... i really hate my setups sometimes :p
[12:16] <whyeonseo> I didn't have a cd in the sources list in the first place
[12:16] <MonkeyDust> nee, als ik mijn wan ip adres verander, is de website bij no-ip toch weer weg -- ik heb dit gedaan, geen fouten, maar het werkt niet http://ubuntulinuxhowto.blogspot.com/2006/06/dynamic-dns-no-ip.html -- what's the channel for server support?
[12:16] <bazhang> whyeonseo, what is linux daemon, take a moment to describe it
[12:17] <bazhang> MonkeyDust, #ubuntu-server
[12:17] <piotrlee_> Hello, i have ubuntu 11.04 and FF (also chrome) and i cant load Facebook, or i can only get to registration site, after willing up boxes and hittin Register it freezes, i treid to clear cookies and it didnt help, any ideas how to fix this ? thanks in advance
[12:17] <Kaihui> I can't get cover
[12:17] <bazhang> Kaihui, perhaps that one does have a cover available
[12:17] <majere> We aren't allowed to lmgtfy?
[12:17] <bazhang> majere, not here, no
[12:17] <tanath> Kaihui, might i suggest banshee instead?
[12:18] <kLown> lol, lmgtfy is very insulting.
[12:18] <K-4U> why is that insulting? :P
[12:18] <bazhang> K-4U, move on please
[12:18] <Kaihui> Thanks. I don't like banshee
[12:18] <K-4U> i mean.. some people really haven't googled... I allways use the IRC as last resort
[12:18] <tanath> Kaihui, oh?
[12:18] <bazhang> Kaihui, not all albums have covers available
[12:19] <bazhang> Kaihui, same as in banshee rhythmbox etc; there should be facility however to add them, should you be so inclined
[12:19] <MonkeyDust> K-4U: not everyone knows how to use google
[12:19] <K-4U> kLown: i have installed dhcpcd right now.. i think i'm going to try again with that service
[12:19] <K-4U> MonkeyDust: is there a let me BING that for you? :P
[12:20] <bazhang> !ot > K-4U
[12:20] <nicoulas> for people who have an interest in politics: http://parapateo.org/
[12:20] <tanath> Kaihui, what don't you like about banshee? i don't like that since version 2 they removed a lot of features/support and basically crippled it
[12:20] <Kaihui> What about ape, flac?
[12:20] <bazhang> nicoulas, wrong channel
[12:20] <MonkeyDust> K-4U: or sometimes google just won't show the solution, as for my problem
[12:20] <tanath> Kaihui, amarok that is
[12:21] <bazhang> Kaihui, all of them can play anything, ape is problematic but doable nonetheless
[12:21] <K-4U> kLown: brb.. going to try now
[12:21] <kLown> K-4U, gl.
[12:21] <parapateo> bazhang what channel would you advise?
[12:21] <tanath> bazhang, i call bull
[12:21] <mr_daniel> I want to make proposal for the download section of ubuntu server: I need the .iso file and want to download it with wget, but I can't find a direct link on http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server/download
[12:21] <bazhang> parapateo, not here, ask in #freenode
[12:21] <tanath> bazhang, neither will play a significant portion of my collection
[12:21] <majere> I found a let me google that for you infinate loop. Can i share that?
[12:21] <Kaihui> ^_^
[12:22] <mr_daniel> Seems like some background JavaScript code is executed. It would be nice to supply a direct link, so easily use it with wget
[12:22] <mr_daniel> Especially when wokring on a headless server enviornment
[12:22] <dzup> majere: yes
[12:22] <majere> http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=cache:lmgtfy.com < Infinate loop
[12:23] <ubuntu__> g
[12:23] <ubuntu__> jj
[12:23] <ubuntu__> jj
[12:23] <dzup> majere: kool, makes a nice screensaver
[12:24] <majere> :D
[12:24] <tanath> bazhang, unless you know how to get them to support more formats than i do, i think you're mistaken
[12:24] <majere> Ohh. I haven't played with my screensavers in Ubuntu yet
[12:24] <dzup> majere: www.rickrolling.com
[12:25] <bazhang> dzup, majere chit chat in #ubuntu-offtopic NOT here
[12:25] <brocade> ...
[12:25] <bazhang> tanath, ape?
[12:25] <ilter> Hello. I've upgraded my ubuntu 10.04 to 11.04 but after that i got a problem with my attached monitor to my laptop. When i want to switch output to the monitor it shows only mouse pointer and black screen ..
[12:25] <morteza> i wanna see which packages i have lately installed.
[12:25] <tanath> bazhang, no, virtually every game music format (which i have a lot of)
[12:26] <morteza> does apt has some option for this, or is there any log?
[12:26] <ilter> I think there is a bug about new gnome which comes with 11.04 beacuse i didn't face same problem on 10.04.
[12:26] <bazhang> morteza, synaptic has a history iirc
[12:26] <ilter> Could someone help me about this issue? How can i fix it?
[12:26] <quick-> Will anyone pls help me , i was using compiz manager and i screwed up some settings and now i am not getting the title bar in any one of the windows >
[12:26] <morteza> bazhang: can u explain more? irc!?
[12:27] <brocade> IRC....
[12:27] <bazhang> morteza, if I recall correctly
[12:28] <fooman2011> hello guys :)
[12:28] <dzone> Hi all!
[12:29] <morteza> hi!
[12:29] <nuhm> Can someone help me uninstall Java on 11.04?
[12:30]  * ilj4z1 can help
[12:30] <Lekensteyn> nuhm: How did you install it? Through apt? sudo apt-get purge sun-java6
[12:30] <fooman2011> I newbe on Linux. I would like to know: if you program cron with a task every 10min, will you have always at least 10min before the FIRST execution of the task ?
[12:30] <tanath> i've removed the overlay scrollbar packages, but i'm still getting them in some apps. anyone know how to fix this?
[12:30] <dzone> I am testing now Xubuntu from my flash usb and I realized it is faster than Ubuntu. I plan to install it on my old PC and use it for daily tasks!
[12:30] <ilj4z1> sudo apt-get remove -f -y --purge sun-java6
[12:30] <morteza> bazhang: Oh i never saw it before (File -> History), thx a lot, but it must read this info from some log, i search for it...
[12:31] <eze> I am using xubuntu-10.04 on an old PowerPC (Mac G4) and it works really well
[12:31] <majere> How do i get the old screensavers back, The ones dapper drake had.
[12:31] <eze> (in fact, I am chatting from that computer at the moment)
[12:31] <nuhm> might have been syn, terminal is saying 'unable to loacate package sun-java6'
[12:31] <tanath> mortal, gnome log viewer can point you to the log file
[12:31] <Lekensteyn> fooman2011: I don't know, look at `man crontab` or try it
[12:31] <quick-> Will anyone pls help me , i was using compiz manager and i screwed up some settings and now i am not getting the title bar in any one of the windows  .
[12:31] <dzone> eze: It works pretty well on my PC even from the usb drive
[12:31] <tanath> morteza,  gnome log viewer can point you to the log file
[12:32] <tanath> mortal, woops, wrong nick. sorry
[12:32] <Lekensteyn> nuhm: what does `which java` say?
[12:32] <eze> dzone: xubuntu is really good. not as flashy as gnome, but gets the job done, and it does not look so rough as openbox/fluxbox/icewm/etc.
[12:32] <dzone> eze It has 1,47 CPU and 256MB RAM with 40GB Hard
[12:32] <nuhm> lekensteyn: /usr/bin/java
[12:33] <pozic> dzone: 256MB RAM is too little for a usable computer.
[12:33] <Lekensteyn> nuhm: please run `dpkg -S /usr/bin/java`
[12:33] <eze> dzone: it should be fine. 256 Mb is probably the minimum
[12:33] <Lekensteyn> and post the output
[12:33] <bazhang> dzone, lubuntu would do fine with that
[12:33] <tanath> quick-, CCSM > effects > enable window decoration
[12:33] <dzone> pozic: but it is too ugly for me :D
[12:33] <eze> dzone: consider using openbox/fluxbox or something similar
[12:33] <tanath> quick-, i recommend compiz fusion icon if you don't have it
[12:33] <bazhang> dzone, so get more ram
[12:33] <morteza> tanath, i find it, obviously it were in /var/log/apt/  :)
[12:34] <pozic> dzone: if you have money, just buy a machine for 400 euros.
[12:34] <Lekensteyn> dzone: try Lubuntu (using LXDE)
[12:34] <tanath> morteza, ;)
[12:34] <eze> dzone: it's really the apps that would then take all your RAM (browser, openoffice, java being the worst)
[12:34] <pozic> dzone: or something good for 800 euros.
[12:34] <dzone> bazhang: I know RAM  is cheap  these days so I will add more
[12:34] <pozic> dzone: don't waste your time on ancient hardware.
[12:34] <eze> dzone: if you want to be on the cheap, just buy more RAM -- or talk to friends/work colleagues... that's how I got the RAM for my Mac!
[12:35] <pozic> Yep, that's an option too.
[12:35] <eze> dzone (for free!)
[12:35] <Nafi> hello. has anyone of you ever set up a pam_ldap authentification?
[12:35] <pozic> In a shop old memory is more expensive than new memory.
[12:35] <dzone> eze: sure I know some friends wit PC hardware shops
[12:36] <Lekensteyn> pozic: indeed, I could get 4GB DDR3 SDRAM for the same price of an old 1GB DDR1 RAM :o
[12:36] <fooman2011> I'm a newbe under Linux. I would like to know: if you program a task in cron for every 10min, will you have always at least 10min before the FIRST execution of the task ?
[12:36] <dzone> eze: I'll ask them ;) Thanks!
[12:36] <bazhang> dzone, lubuntu should have an iso, or you can install lubuntu-desktop over the existing xubuntu install
[12:36] <eze> dzone, pozic: as it happens, some people do keep their old computers, and their memory modules... it's always worth asking
[12:36] <pozic> Lekensteyn: same story here.\
[12:36] <pozic> eze: that depends on how expensive your time is ;)
[12:36] <tanath> Lekensteyn, which sucks if you need ddr1
[12:36] <majere> Can I get my Old awesome Screensavers back?
[12:36] <eze> dzone, pozic: I am totally amazed as how well xubuntu-10.04 runs on this Mac G4
[12:36] <dzone> eze: I hope so!
[12:36] <bazhang> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto fooman2011
[12:36] <pozic> eze: memory is key.
[12:36] <eze> (ok, it's got 768 Mb of RAM, but even with 384 Mb it was fine)
[12:37] <pozic> eze: and harddisk.
[12:37] <bazhang> majere, from dapper? chances are no
[12:37] <eze> pozic, my harddisk sucks (old 40 Gb IDE)
[12:37] <pozic> I generally use 2GB now, or so.\
[12:37] <majere> :( Sadness
[12:37] <pozic> I have 4GB (which is overkill)
[12:37] <pozic> Well, I sometimes also use 4, but that's exceptional.
[12:38] <eze> pozic, dzone: in my case, I wanted to play with a *real* box using a PowerPC CPU
[12:38] <willemb> i have no rear audio.  I have gone through just about everything in the forums, support sites and other google results, with no success.  please help
[12:38] <Lekensteyn> pozic: I've 8GB (which is not overkill, because I've no swap on my SSD and virtualbox eats memory)
[12:38] <MrXs> I want to run windows 7 on my ubuntu 11.04 using the virtual box
[12:38] <pozic> Lekensteyn: yeah, for virtual machine I think you need the extra 4.
[12:38] <bazhang> MrXs, try #vbox
[12:38] <MrXs> when I turn on the pc, and there's the grub booting shows the options to choose where windows or linux
[12:38] <MrXs> ok
[12:38] <MrXs> thanks
[12:39] <majere> Should be easy mrx. Pm me and i'll give you whatever help i can give
[12:39] <eze> dzone, pozic gotta go. good luck, dzone!
[12:40] <majere> I got them back and more!
[12:40] <bazhang> MrXs, that sounds like wubi, not vbox
[12:40] <dzone> eze: Thanks
[12:40] <eze> dzone: no probs. see you all...
[12:40] <tanath> pozic, 4gb ram is overkill? for what?
[12:41] <MrXs> I dont' get answers in vbox
[12:41] <tanath> pozic, it's the recommended min nowadays
[12:41] <pozic> tanath: for my current uses.
[12:41] <Guest17780> where can i find plug-in forubuntu
[12:41] <tanath> mmk
[12:41] <pozic> tanath: I could use 4PB or RAM.
[12:41] <bazhang> Guest17780, plug in for what
[12:41] <tanath> pozic, :P
[12:41] <Lekensteyn> Guest17780: what plugin? Flash?
[12:42] <bazhang> MrXs, vbox wont show a choice of booting windows or ubuntu
[12:42] <Guest17780> yes flush plug in
[12:42] <MrXs> no I dont' mean that
[12:42] <quick-_> tanath: i got the windows but the wireless settings and other thins on the top rigth corner aren't showing up but when i click there it shows the specified thing
[12:42] <MrXs> I mean I want to run windows 7 while using my ubuntu 11.04
[12:42] <bazhang> MrXs, then why mention it
[12:42] <MrXs> how to do that?
[12:42] <Lekensteyn> Guest17780: install the `flashplugin-installer` package
[12:43] <MrXs> just to let you know that I have both of them installed in my hard disk
[12:43] <Lekensteyn> if you've 64bits, I recommend installing a PPA from sevenmachines
[12:43] <fooman2011> bazhang: Concerning my question about cron. Are you sure that the answer is present in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto ? i don't find it...
[12:43] <praveen_> MrXs, use virtualbox
[12:43] <bazhang> MrXs, you 're going to have to load a new version of windows in the vbox
[12:43] <Lekensteyn> 64 bits flash: http://askubuntu.com/q/33445/6969
[12:44] <Guest17780> every time i go to watch a channel ,i get a message missing plugin
[12:44] <bazhang> fooman2011, you did not give a very clear question, have you read the manual for cron yet?
[12:44] <willemb> no-one willing to help with surround sound?
[12:44] <candrea> MrXs, you must create a new windows installation inside virtual box; you can't use the one you have already
[12:45] <Lekensteyn> Guest17780: do you have 64-bits Ubuntu or 32-bit?
[12:45] <dzone> pozic: Bye for now!
[12:45] <bazhang> willemb, what exactly have you tried, and what has not worked. please be very clear
[12:45] <kLown> K-4U, how did it work out?
[12:46] <fooman2011> bazhang: I don't have any problem with cron. It's a question. When you add a task for "every 10minutes". Are you sure that there is AT LEAST 10 minutes before the FIRST execution of the task ??
[12:46] <willemb> bazhang: in alsamixer, turning down the music on either the front or surround speakers make the volume on the front speakers.  the rear speakers stay mute :(
[12:46] <kLown> fooman2011, why not test it out on something simple?  see if it runs right away.
[12:46] <willemb> the sound test plays only on the front speakers
[12:46] <candrea> fooman2011, if I have understood the question correctly, the answer is no
[12:46] <bazhang> willemb, I see, what about the various pulseaudio tools
[12:47] <Guest17780> i have 32-bit
[12:47] <pozic> How can I get the 'close' button of a Unity window to the right?
[12:47] <willemb> this is all on lucid
[12:47] <fooman2011> kLown: i think that the answer is "NO". But you're experts here right ? that why I'm asking here to confirm that I have a problem...
[12:47] <Lekensteyn> Guest17780: in that case open your package manager and install `flashplugin-installer`. You need to enable the universe repository fr that
[12:47] <pozic> I am talking about the red button that is currently on the left.
[12:47] <MonkeyDust> about no-ip: when my wan ip-address changes, my website is gone, hints&tips about settings or scripts, anyone? i followed these instructions, no errors, but it won't work http://ubuntulinuxhowto.blogspot.com/2006/06/dynamic-dns-no-ip.html
[12:47] <fooman2011> candrea: ok thanks
[12:47] <bazhang> pozic, good question, perhaps the tool confity or somesuch could help
[12:48] <pozic> fooman2011: I would say: read the manual.
[12:48] <shakti> hi need help - getting message Nvidia driver activated and not enabled
[12:48] <pozic> fooman2011: or just try it with some other command.
[12:49] <fooman2011> So I have a task which poweroff the PC when there is no connected clients. I put it in cron to be executed every 10min. But if the PC start and if the task is executed after 1min, no clients are connected yet and the PC is turned off...
[12:49] <shakti> hi need help - getting message Nvidia driver activated and not enabled
[12:49] <pozic> bazhang: in which package is that tool?
[12:49] <praveen_> pozic, i think you are talking about file browser buttons...??
[12:49] <Guest17780> thanku
[12:49] <fooman2011> i mean "1min only"
[12:50] <scensis> How can i specify NTP server on Natty ?
[12:50] <bazhang> pozic, not in the normal repos as far as I know, was in a PPA
[12:50] <Guest17780> i'll get back to u
[12:50] <K-4U> kLown: not..
[12:50] <pozic> praveen_: start firefox, make it full-window, find the close button for firefox that is red.
[12:50] <candrea> fooman2011, you may want to have a daemon that does the job, but depending on how you check the number of clients, you may also use cron with some adjustments
[12:50] <pozic> praveen_: so, no.
[12:51] <shakti> guys
[12:51] <osse> Shouldn't "cat file.txt" or "vim file.txt" update file.txt's last access date as reported by "stat file.txt" ?
[12:51] <shakti> help here
[12:51] <Lekensteyn> shakti: that is a known bug, you can ignore it for now
[12:51] <kLown> K-4U, same issues, different issues?\
[12:51] <shakti> hi need help - getting message Nvidia driver activated and not enabled
[12:51] <shakti> a bug!!
[12:51] <praveen_> pozic ,that's what i want to know...so try this. http://ubuntuguide.net/move-minimizemaximizeclose-buttons-to-right-in-ubuntu-10-10maverick
[12:51] <bazhang> !nvidia> shakti
[12:51] <Lekensteyn> osse: I think so, maybe the filesystem is mounted noatime
[12:51] <fooman2011> candrea: nClients=`netstat -lataupe | grep ESTABLISHED | grep -v localhost | wc -l`
[12:51] <K-4U> kLown: err... still not getting an IP
[12:52] <K-4U> kLown: going to try accessing a different router now.. if i can get the damn thing to boot..
[12:52] <kLown> K-4U, did you remove your manual entries?
[12:52] <pozic> praveen_: in _unity_...
[12:52] <K-4U> kLown: yep
[12:52] <pozic> praveen_: try to understand the question before you respond to anyone.
[12:53] <fooman2011> candrea: My use case is: I trun on the PC, then i'm connect to it from another PC. So I have to be sure that I will have at least 10min before the script execution
[12:53] <quick-_> tanath: i got the windows but the wireless settings and other thins on the top rigth corner aren't showing up but when i click there it shows the specified thing
[12:53] <fooman2011> candrea: what to you mean by "have a daemon" ?
[12:53] <osse> Lekensteyn, thanks. The filesystem in question is /home which is an ext4 drive and if mounted with "defaults" according to /etc/fstab
[12:53] <osse> *and is
[12:53] <kLown> K-4U, are you currently using the router right now?
[12:54] <candrea> fooman2011, you can make the task run every 5 minutes: the first time, if no clients are found, a file is created; the second time the task runs, if no clients are and if it finds the file, the computer is shut down, else the file is removed
[12:54] <K-4U> kLown: which one? The one i was trying to connect to earlier?
[12:54] <FoXMaN> yo
[12:54] <kLown> K-4U, are you connected now (the computer you are currently using) to the same router you are trying to connect the other pc to?
[12:55] <fooman2011> candrea: mmmh ok but then my task is executed every 5min instead of 10... but finally it's not a problem. I will try this solution. Thank you for you help
[12:55] <^Warrior> Whenever firefox crashes it stalls Ubuntu...is ff bad because i am switching to  chrome
[12:55] <K-4U> kLown: it's the same pc, so yeah :P
[12:55] <kLown> K-4U, Oh, I thought you said earlier it was two different computers.  My apologizes.
[12:55] <candrea> fooman2011, yes, 5 minutes: but that's because the task requires to be run twice in order for the pc to be shutdown (5+5=10 mins)
[12:55] <FoXMaN> a riddle do i have: df shows no free space, even if it claims there is 12G and 7G used, no deleted open files i see in lsof
[12:56] <K-4U> kLown: doesnt matter. i really wish i had 2 different boxes here, but my main box has kinda crashed and is now undergoing recovery from windows..
[12:56] <praveen_> pozic, as far as i know the left side buttons were also in the 10.10 and they are also in 11.04..so the method is same
[12:56] <kLown> K-4U, my idea of "recovery from windows" isnt putting windows back on it :P
[12:56] <candrea> fooman2011, btw, with "daemon" I mean a program that runs in the background and does all the job
[12:57] <sparr> How can I make "Guest Session" an option when my screen is locked?
[12:57] <snuff> I just installed xubuntu. The console seems ok but all I can see in graphics is mouse pointer. Can anyone help?
[12:57] <K-4U> Klown: Yeah, i know :P problem is that i need windows for school stuff.. they don't really like other os'es
[12:57] <afrodeity> anybody know what correct permissions on /sbin/dhclient-script should be
[12:57] <^Warrior> Please somebody tell me how to switch to CLI mode and then again to GUI mode?
[12:58] <K-4U> Warrior: ctrl+alt+F1
[12:58] <K-4U> Warrior: and then ctrl+alt+F7
[12:58] <quick-_> hello , how can i make the settings in compzi manager to default ?
[12:58] <llutz> afrodeity: 755 root:root
[12:58] <fooman2011> candrea: ok. Instead of using a file, can i add a "sleep 300" in my script and then recheck. I mean "if 0 client then sleep 300 if 0 client then poweroff fi fi
[12:58] <afrodeity> llutz: thanks
[12:58] <^Warrior> K-4U:Big thanks to you
[12:59] <K-4U> Warrior: np
[12:59] <K-4U> kLown: meh, i cant even find my other wifi usb dongle atm.. had it lying around here somewhere.. But i'm an electrical engineer, so my whole desk is cluttered with electrical components..
[13:00] <Lekensteyn> ^Warrior: you've 6 text consoles, Ctrl + Alt + [1-6]
[13:00] <kLown> K-4U, I dont think its the usb stick.
[13:00] <pozic> praveen_: you are probably not an 11.04 user. You don't know anything about 11.04.
[13:00] <candrea> fooman2011, yes, you could, but after 10 minutes you'll have the same script running twice (the first started after 5 minutes and sleeping, the second started by cron after 10 minutes)
[13:00] <kLown> K-4U, you wernt able to use it earlier, now you are just having issues getting an ip.  its a config issue somewhere.
[13:00] <pozic> praveen_: I know what you are talking about, it is just not what I asked.
[13:01] <K-4U> kLown: It could be.. i mean.. everything else in this house is connecting nicely.. Okay.. all of that runs under windows, and one android device
[13:01] <pozic> praveen_: so, please just take someone's word for it next time.
[13:01] <K-4U> kLown: Hm, yeah, thats true
[13:01] <candrea> fooman2011, (sleep would be useful for the daemon)
[13:01] <pozic> bazhang: do you know how I can set the language for that application?
[13:02] <praveen_> pozic, ok..sorry for your help...
[13:02] <kLown> K-4U, if you disconnect your wired connection, and attempt to connect wireless, can you ping your router?
[13:02] <kLown> (not literally, disconnect, but drop the connection)
[13:02] <K-4U> kLown: Err.. no
[13:03] <K-4U> kLown: When i set an ip address myself, wicp tries to ping the router and fails
[13:03] <xhhj> When I leave the computer for a while, the screen turns off, and when I start using the computer again, it asks for my password. How do I get it to just wake the computer up wihtout asking for my password?
[13:03] <bazhang> pozic, which did you need? not tried, but can take a look
[13:03] <kLown> K-4U, mind if I pm you?
[13:03] <K-4U> kLown: nop
[13:03] <pozic> bazhang: English would be fine.
[13:03] <fooman2011> candrea: yes that's why i'll put 6min in cron and sleep 300 in the script
[13:04] <pozic> bazhang: I installed it from source.
[13:04] <bazhang> pozic, the tool confity? should be english default
[13:04] <^Warrior> And if i have to scroll up or down in CLI then how to do that?
[13:04] <bazhang> pozic, though I may have misunderstood what you are trying to do
[13:04] <pozic> bazhang: except it isn't.
[13:05] <bazhang> pozic, clearing everything to the left was for the windicators, so perhaps not so easy to attempt that
[13:05] <candrea> fooman2011, that can be a good solution. But if you want my opinion, I'd go with the daemon because you can kill it if you don't want your computer to shutdown
[13:06] <kocur_> kocur
[13:06] <kocur_> hehe
[13:06] <kocur_> e, halo
[13:06] <kocur_> hehe
[13:06] <willemb> oki, after a reboot, the hardware selection makes more sense.  dunno what was wriong ther
[13:07] <willemb> i chose the 4 channel analogue option, but still get no rear audio
[13:07] <^Warrior> Please tell me anyone that if i have to scroll up or down in CLI then how to do that?
[13:07] <angguss> how would i go about restricting a user to the point it can only access /home/mcs/ and nothing else? is it easy to do?
[13:09] <rumpe1> angguss, desktop-users also need access to the executables for desktop-software like browser, email, etc.
[13:09] <waveshaper> would you recommend ubuntu desktop for a home development box ?
[13:09] <rumpe1> angguss, what do you want to achieve exactly?
[13:10] <bl4ckcomb`> waveshaper, sure, why not?
[13:10] <rumpe1> waveshaper, yes.... why not?
[13:10] <pozic> waveshaper: I also heard good things about OpenBSD if you don't do 3D development.\
[13:10] <pozic> waveshaper: better man pages, etc.
[13:10] <waveshaper> Im mostly, caugh, doing audio dev in c++. and I see no reason to stay in windows anymore
[13:10] <angguss> rumpe1, i've got a server, and i want to create a user for the purpose of solely starting/stopping an executable in /home/mcs
[13:10] <pozic> waveshaper: otherwise Ubuntu would probably work.
[13:11] <pozic> waveshaper: (I do it too.)
[13:11] <angguss> rumpe1: using a script i've written
[13:11] <waveshaper> pozic: audio code ? :)
[13:12] <pozic> waveshaper: I would compile a real-time kernel and use jack.
[13:12] <pozic> waveshaper: there are also specialized distros that already do this.
[13:12] <pozic> waveshaper: I think based on either Ubuntu or Debian.
[13:12] <rumpe1> angguss, where do you see security issues?
[13:12] <waveshaper> ah. this, from what Ive heard gives you a really low latency api to work with?
[13:13] <waveshaper> that would be interessting yes
[13:13] <pozic> waveshaper: for real audio development, I assume you have a 100+ euro audio card?
[13:13] <waveshaper> well :p
[13:13] <waveshaper> I have about 5 cards :p
[13:13] <waveshaper> all from cheap to expensive
[13:13] <waveshaper> even have my old trusty GUS :)
[13:13] <pozic> waveshaper: for professional stuff, you should definitely get a real-time kernel.
[13:14] <pozic> waveshaper: latencies are fairly low.
[13:14] <waveshaper> as long as its under 20ms I suppose
[13:14] <waveshaper> but that goes mostly for sequencers and games
[13:14] <pozic> waveshaper: it is measured in microseconds.
[13:14] <pozic> waveshaper: about 50 or so.
[13:14] <waveshaper> oh nice
[13:15] <waveshaper> sounds like I have to try that then :)
[13:15] <angguss> rumpe1, i'm not really sure, maybe there aren't. If creating a regular user would do, i'll do that.
[13:15] <bl4ckcomb`> could someone tell me whether there is an api for forwarding chat events (for instance from an irc client) to the envelope icon in the gnome panel? atm I'm using XChat with its own tray icon, but it would be nice to put it under the envelope icon (like pidgin does by default)
[13:15] <waveshaper> any keywords or just realtime patch low latency
[13:15] <EricElf> Help pls: Just upgraded HP laptop from Mint 7 to Natty11.04. Most things are up, but wireless not. At first lshw -C network showed UNCLAIMED. I got driver=ipw2200 installed (shows in lsmod)  which I though was  the right one. Network now shows DISABLED in lshw. Also, have wired connection running on now which changes things. When cable is disconnected I get an status bar icon for wireless (a circle section). Clicking on it shows me
[13:16] <bazhang> bl4ckcomb`, theres something in the repos
[13:16] <pozic> waveshaper: real-time kernel Ubuntu is the first thing I would try
[13:16] <pozic> waveshaper: the second thing would be real-time audio linux distribution
[13:16] <Lekensteyn> hey bl4ckcomb` :)
[13:16] <bazhang> bl4ckcomb`, xchat-indicator iirc
[13:16] <bl4ckcomb`> hi Lekensteyn
[13:16] <bl4ckcomb`> bazhang, ty, I'll check it out
[13:16] <pozic> waveshaper: if that gives nothing, just install vanilla Ubuntu and compile your own kernel (this is a simple process these days)
[13:17] <waveshaper> excellent. also, I would eventually need a server for my source database
[13:17] <waveshaper> I am running standard mercurial repo if that means anything
[13:18] <pozic> waveshaper: you can run it from the same box.
[13:18] <waveshaper> but that could easily be served on a ubuntubox aswell I guess.but Id prefer it on a separate machine
[13:18] <pozic> waveshaper: you can use a virtual machine, or a physical machine.
[13:18] <waveshaper> actually. with good backup it could run on the same
[13:18] <bl4ckcomb`> waveshaper, or you could use Git if you're planning to go for open source projects
[13:18] <pozic> waveshaper: anyway, those details you would have to decide on for yourself.
[13:19] <pozic> bl4ckcomb`: he just said mercurial.
[13:19] <waveshaper> Git is a possibility. I havent tried it yet though
[13:19] <pozic> bl4ckcomb`: there is nothing wrong with mercurial.
[13:19] <waveshaper> nothing against git :)
[13:19] <EricElf> Wireless networking question continued: 'wireless disabled by hardware switch' and yes there is a switch which used to work. No effect now. Missing driver?
[13:19] <pozic> There is only one thing against git.
[13:19] <pozic> Its source code is a mess.
[13:19] <waveshaper> I guess what I want is to use what most ppl use
[13:19] <bl4ckcomb`> pozic, sure, I'm just giving ideas
[13:20] <pozic> waveshaper: that would probably be git.
[13:21] <waveshaper> alright. tnx got something to fiddle with then :) all tips was very much appreciated
[13:21] <pozic> I kind of like how I have seen zero real issues since the upgrade.
[13:22] <bl4ckcomb`> waveshaper, just out of curiosity, what IDE are you using for c++ dev?
[13:23] <waveshaper> these days I mostly use codeblocks
[13:23] <waveshaper> but Ive also used emacs for a while
[13:23] <pozic> waveshaper: on which platform?
[13:23] <waveshaper> mingw/emacs
[13:23] <bl4ckcomb`> ok great
[13:23] <waveshaper> on win32
[13:23] <waveshaper> ofcourse tested with visual studio just to see that it compiles but
[13:23] <angguss> rumpe1: created a regular user and it works fine, wasn't thinking properly. thanks.