[00:08] <diddledan> in my view: anyone who turns into a nutjob should be called a nutjob
[00:08] <diddledan> and that's all I have to say on the matter :-p
[00:09] <shauno> I'm just wary of labelling people on that vague a description.  "terrorist activities" can mean pretty much anything these days
[00:09] <diddledan> obviously definitions of nutjob vary
[00:09] <maps|wrk> sure it can
[00:09] <maps|wrk> but these bunch be it white or asian are barmy
[00:09] <shauno> eg, to the police, almost everything can fall under terrorist activities, because it means they get to use all the nice new super-vague powers they've been given
[00:10] <maps|wrk> yea
[00:10] <diddledan> shauno, like stopping our favourite astronaut for having a beard?!
[00:10] <diddledan> oh it was his friend. I forgot
[00:10] <diddledan> soon, my precious!
[00:11] <diddledan> he's sporting a pretty impressive fur these days
[00:18] <maps|wrk> how on earth is the call centre so popular
[00:18] <maps|wrk> watching ep4..onlky because im at work;p
[00:19] <diddledan> the adverts were enough to put me off that
[00:19] <shauno> you're four episodes in and complaining people watch it?
[00:20] <maps|wrk> lol
[00:20] <maps|wrk> im at work though shauno
[00:20] <maps|wrk> so im half watching it
[00:20] <maps|wrk> and i cant find much else on 4od/iplayer
[00:21] <shauno> still a bit pot/kettle though
[00:22] <maps|wrk> pah
[00:22] <maps|wrk> recommend me something off iplayer/4od/chan5;p
[00:23] <shauno> heh, I don't (can't) use them.  I tend to download whole series to take to work with me
[00:28] <maps|wrk> ah
[00:28] <maps|wrk> i sometimes take my nexus7 with films/tv on
[00:28] <maps|wrk> depends :)
[00:34] <maps|wrk> hi Chaser
[01:50] <maps|wrk> anyone been watching fargo?
[01:50] <maps|wrk> e3 tionight
[04:37] <shauno> mornings like this, I doubt the zombies could tell the difference
[05:58] <mapps> morning
[05:58] <mapps> sup shauno
[06:10] <MooDoo> hello all
[06:18] <mapps> hey MooDoo
[06:26] <Myrtti> moin
[07:08] <diplo> Morning all
[07:08] <mapps> morning diplo
[07:11] <SuperMatt> morning
[07:12] <diplo> Mate shut down his VPS last night I'm guessing, lost my irssi conn and configs :/
[07:14] <SuperMatt> :(
[07:14] <SuperMatt> what you need is a small rackspace cloud server
[07:14] <SuperMatt> :P
[07:14] <nigelb> Or digital ocean
[07:14] <nigelb> which is what I use for irc.
[07:14] <SuperMatt> ooooor rackspace
[07:15]  * nigelb looks at SuperMatt
[07:15] <nigelb> Do you work at Rackspace? :P
[07:15] <SuperMatt> noooooooooooooyes
[07:16] <diplo> nigelb, I now have a DO droplet, just not touched it in a few weeks
[07:16] <diplo> Busy..
[07:16] <diplo> SuperMatt, do them as cheap as DO ?
[07:16] <diplo> I did check them out at one point I'm sure
[07:16] <nigelb> SuperMatt: heh
[07:16] <nigelb> Rackspace potentially has better routing.
[07:17] <nigelb> DO has fairly crappy routing :)
[07:17] <nigelb> which is fine for the cost.
[07:17] <SuperMatt> I don't know what DO pricing is like, tbh
[07:17] <diplo> cheap :P
[07:18] <smittix> Morning
[07:18] <mapps> one more tea then bed
[07:18] <mapps> :D
[07:20] <mapps> SuperMatt you run your own email server?
[07:21] <diddledan> mapps stay awake with us that have to work during the day!
[07:21] <diddledan> mapps like we do overnight with you :-p
[07:21] <diddledan> (well, I do, and shauno sometimes does)
[07:22] <mapps> pfffffff
[07:22] <diddledan> email servers are a pain
[07:22] <SuperMatt> mapps: yeah
[07:22] <mapps> no chance...)
[07:22] <mapps> yea
[07:22] <mapps> i was hoping someone could point me in the direction ofa good tutorial
[07:22] <smittix> Especially when they run exchange (:
[07:22] <SuperMatt> though I route my email out via mailgun
[07:22] <mapps> so i can just mess about and learn how to do it
[07:22] <SuperMatt> I found the ubuntu community help page is good
[07:23] <mapps> what do you use then dovecot/postfix what kinda thing
[07:23] <SuperMatt> but I'll be serious: install webmin. Use that to turn on and off options and stuff until you find it works
[07:23] <SuperMatt> dovecot and postfix, yes
[07:23] <mapps> anything else?
[07:23] <diddledan> dovecot and postfix are pretty much the only sane option IMO
[07:23] <mapps> you dont need anything else for it to work?
[07:24] <diddledan> I did run a dovecot/qmail for a while. qmail is esoteric
[07:24] <mapps> i could try webmin but i think id have to compile from source as my apache install was manual? and when i installed zentyal it screwedthings up:)
[07:24] <diddledan> for qmail to be secure/useful you need to patch it up the wazoo
[07:24] <mapps> yea
[07:24] <mapps> so all i need is dovecot and postfix?
[07:24] <mapps> coolies
[07:24] <jussi> webmin.... is that now working with ubuntu?
[07:24] <jussi> !webmin
[07:25] <SuperMatt> ah, fair enough
[07:25] <mapps> ah
[07:25] <diddledan> o_O
[07:25] <mapps> so is that a yes..thats all i need?:D
[07:25] <diddledan> what exactly is incompatible about the way it handles config files?
[07:26] <mapps> someone answer me:(
[07:26] <jussi> diddledan: I have actually no idea to be honest, and they may have fixored it...
[07:26] <jussi> !-webmin
[07:26] <diddledan> sorry, mapps , yes postfix and dovecot will provide both incoming and outgoing support
[07:26] <mapps> ive got another question ..maybe SuperMatt knows is it possible to change it from /~user on mod_userdir
[07:26] <jussi> old factoid..
[07:26] <mapps> so like http://ip/user
[07:26] <mapps> no ~
[07:27] <mapps> i couldn't see anywhere in the config
[07:28] <diddledan> mapps you might want to add some extras for email scanning or routing to folders such as procmail (the latter) and spamassassin/clamav (the former)
[07:28] <mapps> yea id read about clamav
[07:28] <mapps> i was just a bit confused reading about MTA etc
[07:28] <mapps> what exactly are dovecot/postfix
[07:29] <diddledan> MTA is the part that postfix provides : "mail transfer agent" - the smtp side
[07:29] <mapps> and what does dovecot provide
[07:30] <SuperMatt> mapps: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer
[07:30] <SuperMatt> that's what I used
[07:30] <diddledan> the other one is MDA I believe or Mail Delivery Agent which is a combo of dovecot for serving it out to the end-user's client and procmail for delivery-time filtering into specific folders
[07:30] <SuperMatt> but you've got to have a good grasp of how mail works
[07:31] <SuperMatt> in fact yes, before anyone sets up a mailserver *ever* they need to have a good grasp of how email works
[07:31] <SuperMatt> I'm tired of explaining to people why their servers are sending out spam and why I simply can't unblock them from spam lists
[07:31] <mapps> heh
[07:32] <diddledan> SuperMatt I guess you get alot of that kind of request
[07:32] <mapps> i understand email basics, smtp/imap/pop3 but not too knowledgable on MTA/MDA
[07:33] <mapps> il read that page thanks SuperMatt
[07:33] <SuperMatt> yeah, I think that's the best place to start
[07:33] <mapps> any idea about my 2nd question? which isnt really important
[07:33] <mapps> its more just curious if its possible
[07:33] <SuperMatt> what was the question?
[07:34] <mapps> well ive got apache working with mod_userdir so http://frogs.zapto.org/~mark is it possible to make it /mark not ~/mark
[07:34] <mapps> i know i could do some kinda redir or mod_rewrite i think
[07:35] <diddledan> you could use mod_rewrite to silently convert from /foo to /~foo
[07:35] <mapps> yea
[07:36] <mapps> thats what i thought..so no way of doing it in the actual config file..i did check the config file and couldnt see anything
[07:36] <diddledan> RewriteRule /([^~].*) /~$1
[07:36] <diddledan> the rewrite rule can go in the config file
[07:36] <mapps> you can change the userdir from public_html to something else..but i couldnt see any point..i guess most people just stick with public_html?
[07:37] <diddledan> there's no requirement for rewrites to be controlled solely by .htaccess files
[07:37] <mapps> yea
[07:40] <mapps> thanks
[07:40] <mapps> il read that ubuntu community page at work tomorrow
[07:40] <mapps> :D
[08:03] <bashc> morning
[08:05] <dogmatic69> o/
[08:09] <awilkins> Wow, I've not upgraded either of my main work systems to Trusty yet. Something is clearly wrong, or I have too much work on.
[08:10] <DJones> Does anybody know when "do-release-upgrade -d" will be available for testing 14.04 to 14.10 upgrades
[08:13] <bashc> I may stay on 14.04 on the work machine, since its an LTS
[08:13] <mapps> whats -d for
[08:14] <diddledan> mapps - development version
[08:14] <DJones> development release
[08:19] <Myrtti> I've not yet upgraded a single computer 12.04 to 14.04
[08:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> I haz bacon :-D
[08:24] <nigelb> \o/
[08:30] <mapps> nice TheOpenSourcerer
[08:31] <brobostigon> yes please, :)
[08:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> I had bacon :-(
[08:34] <smittix> mmmm Bacon
[08:44] <MooDoo> someone say bacon?
[08:44] <DJones> Jono Bacon ?
[08:44] <MooDoo> DJones: he's not a piece of meat you know ;)
[08:45] <DJones> MooDoo: Probably won't fit between 2 slices of bread either
[08:47] <brobostigon> depends how big the slices of bread are.
[08:49] <foobarry> anyone successfully got evolution ews working with recent exchange/o365?
[08:56] <smittix> Anyone noticed gnome-tweak-tool going crazy when you switch options?
[08:56] <foobarry> oh wow it is actually working
[08:59] <MooDoo> !bug
[08:59] <MooDoo> oops sorry
[09:01] <MooDoo> !bug 786325
[10:02] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:02] <MooDoo> davmor2: sir, how the devil are you?
[10:03] <davmor2> MooDoo: better than you if FB feed is anything to go by :)
[10:03] <MooDoo> davmor2: raaaaa
[10:06] <smittix> MooDoo ranting on facebook?   I was on it from the early days when it first was opened to the general public rather than just ivy league universities.  Stopped using it in 2010, closed account in 2011 then rejoined at the end of 2013
[10:17] <popey> and only really use it for keeping in touch with them and seeing updates from kids school and dance class
[10:17] <jussi> popey: thats a good idea
[10:17] <popey> works for me
[10:17] <bashc> my reasons for re-joining were similar to those given by James Vasile in a Freedombox talk
[10:17] <smittix> I may do that. I wil delete MooDoo first.
[10:17] <popey> wise
[10:18] <smittix> :P
[10:18] <popey> how many times have you deleted your fb account now MooDoo ? ☻
[10:18] <popey> (I have once)
[10:18] <jussi> yeah, that MooDoo, shady character..
[10:18] <diddledan> deleting MooDoo is always on my wishlist
[10:18] <diddledan> :-p
[10:18] <nigelb> MooDoo: THe best soluttion is to keep it deactivated
[10:18] <nigelb> and activate only when/if needed.
[10:18] <jussi> I have a big fat pimple. it hurts. this sucks.
[10:18] <smittix> nigelb: When you need to stalk?
[10:18]  * diddledan carries on cleaning his gun
[10:18]  * TheOpenSourcerer is pondering deleting his LinkedIn account - beginning to really dislike them
[10:18] <nigelb> TheOpenSourcerer: I thought about it.
[10:19] <nigelb> But if you delete your linkedin account
[10:19] <bashc> Facebook is the lowest on my social media food chain.  I use Friendica which posts to pump.io which posts to Twitter which posts to Facebook
[10:19] <MooDoo> TheOpenSourcerer: I did that a few months ago, was getting tons of spam
[10:19] <nigelb> those connection requests and it's reminders keep coming :(
[10:19] <jussi> unfortunately linked in is a big part of my work...
[10:19] <jussi> (I have a paid linked in account)
[10:19] <smittix> TheOpenSourcerer: I constantly get recruitment agencies adding me and IT suppliers. Fills my inbox
[10:19] <shauno> procmail vs linkedin \o/
[10:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> I do not like their Ts & Cs one iota.
[10:20] <jussi> smittix: Im an IT supplier - can I add you? :P :P :P
[10:20] <diddledan> I joined a load of linkedin groups related to my line-of-work. BIG N00B mistake!
[10:20] <shauno> I junked it years ago.  it started off bad, and just got worse.  it's near useless now.
[10:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> When you get bored read this: http://www.hrexaminer.com/why-i-killed-my-linkedin-account/
[10:20] <popey> i deleted my linkedin
[10:20] <MooDoo> me too
[10:21] <jussi> smittix: actually, curiousity question - How would you actually _like_ prospective suppliers to contact you?
[10:21] <diddledan> now I have emails daily with things highlighted along the lines of "in which country you are developer?" (exact phrasing!)
[10:21] <nigelb> jussi: what does paying for it give you?
[10:21] <popey> nigelb: nope, you can block the connection requests too
[10:21] <nigelb> popey: OH. HOW?
[10:21] <popey> link at the bottom
[10:21] <popey> i have had to do it 3 times, once per main email address I use
[10:21] <jussi> nigelb: seeing full profiles, who looks at your profile and such things. oh and inmails to contact people outside your network
[10:21] <smittix> jussi: To be honest I've never thought about it. I like to approach them first I guess.
[10:21] <popey> i never see them now
[10:21] <nigelb> I never had those work.
[10:21] <nigelb> I keep unsubscribing.
[10:22]  * smittix is trying steam on ubuntu for the first time.
[10:22] <popey> there's an extra "never send me this crap" button
[10:22]  * popey hugs steam
[10:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> I rarely use LN and really think people can find me if they need to.
[10:22] <shauno> I've got rid of most of them.  it's just the "foo is still waiting for your reply" that they send using the user's email address rather than their own
[10:22] <jussi> smittix: so I guess the question is then, how do you find new suppliers?
[10:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> As I can find them
[10:22] <popey> yeah, the whole social referral thing is overrated
[10:22] <smittix> jussi: I hunt them down on the interwebz
[10:23] <smittix> jussi: But I like to go with recommendations from people I know.
[10:23] <MooDoo> smittix: works fine, downloaded a few games last night for it :D
[10:23] <shauno> the referral thing went down the pan when they started fishing for recommendations on your behalf.  and then your friends feel obligated to fill them out because they think *you* are asking *them*, rather than just the systel trolling them
[10:23] <smittix> MooDoo: Is CSS available?
[10:23] <jussi> smittix: hrm, ok.
[10:23] <MooDoo> smittix: I think that's the one I've downloaded...
[10:23] <MooDoo> smittix: I play css all the time :d
[10:23] <smittix> MooDoo: That and BF2 is all I ever play.
[10:24] <MooDoo> smittix: I'll have to come onto to a server with you so you can see how bad I play :)
[10:24] <diddledan> I play CSS and HTML and PHP
[10:24] <smittix> MooDoo: haha
[10:24]  * smittix looks at diddledan
[10:24] <popey> hmm, prison architect is only £6.79 now, was £14.99
[10:24] <MooDoo> diddledan: is HTML POV?
[10:24] <diddledan> lol
[10:25] <popey> I've recently been playing OpenSpades a lot
[10:25] <popey> so much fun
[10:25] <diddledan> is that like hearts?
[10:25] <MooDoo> diddledan: and how do you strafe in php?  <?php strafe(); ?>  ???
[10:25] <popey> no idea
[10:25] <diddledan> otherwise known these days as "the windows xp card game"
[10:26] <popey> no
[10:26] <popey> a cross between minecraft and tf2
[10:26] <diddledan> :-p
[10:26] <popey> voxel based shooting and destruction
[10:26] <diddledan> close
[10:26] <popey> its very funny
[10:26]  * diddledan googles
[10:26] <diddledan> can one google with bing?
[10:26]  * smittix faints
[10:26] <jussi> hrm, anyone know a decent "red alert" or "starcraft" type game for linux?
[10:27] <jussi> the age of empires clone is rubbish
[10:27] <diddledan> jussi: openra
[10:27] <davmor2> MooDoo: No you press shift and the arrow keys like any other 1st person death trap you play
[10:27] <jussi> diddledan: is it actually decent+
[10:27] <smittix> jussi: I'd like to know that also, I loved Red Alert "Cha' Ching"
[10:27] <diddledan> tanya was a hottie
[10:28] <smittix> aye
[10:28] <jussi> :D yep
[10:28] <diddledan> jussi: http://openra.res0l.net/ <-- it's a direct clone
[10:28] <jussi> diddledan: yeah, its already installing... :P
[10:29] <smittix> Battlefield 2 isn't available :(
[10:30] <smittix> jussi: Downloaded the package?
[10:30] <MooDoo> smittix: that's the downside, lots of windows games aren't available.
[10:30] <jussi> smittix: yes
[10:30] <smittix> MooDoo: HL2 DM is though w00t
[10:31] <smittix> Let's see how my Optimus performs, eek.
[10:31] <diddledan> jussi, for more recent fare I've been meaning to play "wargame: airland battle" and "wargame european escalation" but don't know whether they're available on loonicks yet
[10:32] <jussi> diddledan: Im not much of a gamer really, I do like red alert and heroes3 :D
[10:32] <smittix> Someone should make a Valhalla clone for linux
[10:32] <smittix> If there isn't one already
[10:32] <jussi> oh and civ3, but my CD of that went missing :(
[10:33] <davmor2> you know that feeling when you wake up more tired than when you went to sleep, If you've had that for a few days and haven't flown anywhere that is a bad thing right
[10:33] <diddledan> davmor2: welcome to my life
[10:33] <MooDoo> davmor2: I've had that for 5.5 years, it's called children
[10:33] <smittix> MooDoo: HEH
[10:33] <directhex> openra doesn't do the single-player campaign, which diminishes its usefulness
[10:34] <MooDoo> davmor2: the more sleep I have the worse I feel
[10:34] <shauno> last I heard they're working on that. they've stuffed lua in there sideways so they can script the missions
[10:34] <MooDoo> davmor2: I stick to about 5.5 hours
[10:34] <directhex> in terms of strategy games, look at http://store.steampowered.com/search/?snr=1_4_4__12&term=#category1=998&os=linux&genre=Strategy&sort_order=ASC&page=1
[10:35] <shauno> I stick to 1-3 hours sleep, and then just don't wake up on saturday
[10:35] <smittix> Dota 2 is supposed to be pretty decent
[10:35] <MooDoo> shauno: I'd love that but with a 2.5 year old and a 5.5 year old, it doesn't work like that lol
[10:36] <popey> someone keeps wanting to trade with me on steam
[10:36] <smittix> Oh no, Goat Simulator isn't available either. Don't know what I'm going to do down.
[10:36] <popey> offering me 4 TF2 things for a pair of earbuds
[10:36] <MooDoo> smittix: nethack
[10:36] <smittix> s/down/now
[10:37] <directhex> goat simulator port has been contracted, but not completed
[10:37] <jussi> you know, its really fun to make up your own names for acronyms when you arent familiar with them...
[10:38] <jussi> like for me, DOTA becomes "DEATH of the Apple" :P
[10:38] <davmor2> jussi: Team Fortress 2 at a guess
[10:39] <jussi> davmor2: TF2? Tragic Fails 2? :P :P
[10:40] <davmor2> jussi: not Total Fubar 2 then?
[10:40] <jussi> ooh, that one is good!
[10:40] <jussi> :D
[10:40] <jussi> Totally F#¤KED 2? :P
[10:41] <jussi> errr... that may have sounded a little too NSFW.... maybe we should move on...
[10:43] <davmor2> jussi: man your spelling of Thanked there is too street for me :)
[10:43] <davmor2> Totally Fanked 2
[10:43] <jussi> hah!
[10:44] <diddledan> what's wrong with regularly FSCKing your disks?
[10:45] <smittix> Total Freecall 2 - Open Source version of the hit movie
[10:45] <davmor2> diddledan: but this is Totally FSCKED 2 how much fscking can happen till a disk is totalled
[10:45] <diddledan> lol
[10:45] <diddledan> smittix is that an 0800 memory service?
[10:45] <smittix> haha
[10:46] <smittix> 2 weeeeeeks
[10:46] <bashc> I think if problems occur during FSCK you can lose data
[10:46] <diddledan> she was in the remake, too
[10:46] <bashc> so use FSCK sparingly
[10:47] <smittix> diddledan: I refuse to watch it.
[10:48] <diddledan> there were no aliens
[10:48] <smittix> No mutants?
[10:48] <diddledan> nope
[10:48] <smittix> Please tell me Quatto was in it?
[10:48] <directhex> popey, earbuds are one of the four standard barter currencies in the tf2 economy
[10:49] <diddledan> he was, but he wasn't in anyone's belly
[10:49] <smittix> diddledan: That's not good enough
[10:49] <popey> directhex: what does that mean? ☻
[10:49] <directhex> earbuds are worth 18.5 keys.
[10:49] <popey> he said he was collecting for a charity of some bs
[10:50] <directhex> yeah, that's BS
[10:51] <directhex> buds are one of the most valuable standard barter items. converted price is about 35USD
[10:51] <popey> heh
[10:51] <foobarry> 107.95 up front and 2.25 pm for whole year of phone and broadband \o/
[10:52] <popey> directhex: he's offering me money now ☻
[10:52] <directhex> there are three standard units of exchange
[10:52] <directhex> "buds" are the apple earbuds given to early users of steam on mac. because the supply is fixed, they are usable as a commodity trade item.
[10:53] <popey> he offered 20 eur ☻
[10:53] <directhex> "keys" are purchased for cash, and needed to open occasional "crate" rewards from the game. you can buy them for £1.49 each from valve
[10:54] <directhex> "ref" is "refined metal", it's the basic input material for crafting tf2 items. people need ref in order to create specific desired items. it's the lowest value common trade currency. it's about 145 ref to 1 bud
[10:54] <popey> he's offering paypal money
[10:55] <popey> which I guess he'll pull back once the sale is done?
[10:56] <directhex> "bill's hat" has fallen out of fashion as a currency
[10:56] <directhex> popey, he might. might not. €20 is undervaluing it, it might be a legit offer where the only scamming is offering you 20% under its value
[10:57] <MooDoo> damn keyboard
[10:57] <directhex> popey, trading for steam games is safer, if you have games you want
[11:00] <smittix> Awesome, HL2DM runs perfect.
[11:00] <popey> yeah, wise
[11:00] <popey> was gonna ask for 50USD ☻
[11:00]  * popey looks on his wishlist instead
[11:01] <smittix> MooDoo: When we doing this CSS game
[11:02] <popey> smittix: is it you and MooDoo behind http://www.winstructions.net/ ?
[11:02] <MooDoo> smittix: dunno yet, I'll try and get on later this evening, I'll message you later about ti
[11:02] <smittix> popey: Yeah
[11:02] <popey> no news for a month.. no news is good news!
[11:02] <MooDoo> popey: yes it was a side project :D
[11:02] <smittix> popey: I know :(
[11:02] <MooDoo> popey: I think we're getting sidetracked abit with ubuntu stuff lol
[11:02] <popey> you should put up an article about this microsoft event where they're showing off their Linux phones ☻ http://www.eventbrite.com/e/mobilemonday-tampere-presents-arcticevening-and-nokia-x-tickets-11399737923
[11:02] <directhex> popey, it's a $35 item. take a little less since you're not actually interested in the item - but not a lot less since that's just not needed
[11:03] <popey> directhex: kk
[11:04] <smittix> popey: Had you bookmarked the site or something?
[11:04] <MooDoo> wonder if we can get the founders of omg ubuntu to do one omg windows lol
[11:04] <popey> smittix: no, i just remembered it
[11:04] <smittix> ahh
[11:04] <popey> well, my browser did when I typed "win"
[11:04] <MooDoo> brain the site of a planet has our popey ;()
[11:04] <popey> and this pain in the diodes down my left hand side
[11:05] <smittix> popey: I have been concentrating on linux and smittix.co.uk
[11:05] <popey> how about omgsurface
[11:06] <MooDoo> omg-extreame-ironing.co.uk :)
[11:06] <smittix> OMGNostartmenu
[11:06] <smittix> I do quite like Windows 8 though
[11:07] <popey> i have considered setting up a site with just ubuntu phone news and stuff on it. maybe some videos
[11:07] <MooDoo> darn it, I wish windows would mark text like it does in a putty shell lol
[11:07] <smittix> I didn't care that they had changed to the start screen/dash.
[11:07] <foobarry> popey: called phabulous?
[11:07] <MooDoo> popey: do it :)
[11:07] <smittix> popey: Ubuntu Mobile would be good
[11:07] <smittix> for tabs too?
[11:07] <MooDoo> damn that reminds me I have to send in the form for ubuntu.technology
[11:08] <popey> foobarry: yeah ☻
[11:09] <MooDoo> darn darn trademanrk agreement.
[11:09] <foobarry> moobuntu ?
[11:11] <diddledan> moob.. untu?
[11:12] <diddledan> ... of manboobs
[11:15]  * diddledan examines his own
[11:15] <MooDoo> ew ew ew
[11:15] <diddledan> :-p
[11:15] <davmor2> tmi
[11:16] <smittix> he's still examining them.
[11:16]  * smittix looks away
[11:16] <smittix> Does anyone know of an indicator or something to tell me which graphics card steam is using?
[11:17] <diddledan> smittix: if it is smooth then it's using the ubercard, otherwise it's using intel god that's poor (IGP)
[11:18] <smittix> :|
[11:18] <davmor2> smittix: you on an optimus laptop or something?
[11:22] <smittix> davmor2: Yeah
[11:23] <davmor2> smittix: how do you have it setup with nvidia-prime or bumblebee?
[11:23] <smittix> Whatever the default is.
[11:23] <smittix> I haven't touched any of that yet.
[11:23] <davmor2> smittix: then you are just using intel
[11:24] <smittix> davmor2: Should I install nvidia-prime then?
[11:24] <smittix> It installed an Nvidia driver earlier though
[11:26] <davmor2> smittix: you need to install nvidia-331 and nvidia-prime, then you can open nvidia settings and select it under prime-options or something like that
[11:26] <smittix> davmor2: Ta, will check it out
[11:26] <MooDoo> come now davmor2 don't pretend you know what you're doing!
[11:27] <smittix> At the minute im trying to get .NEF files to preview meh
[11:27] <davmor2> MooDoo: I had to test it for the dev so this one I do know :)  For a change
[11:28]  * MooDoo faints
[11:28]  * smittix steals MooDoo's wallet.
[11:28] <MooDoo> smittix: google wallet, so it's virtual do there ner ner ner ner ner
[11:28] <davmor2> smittix: oh you collect moths do you
[11:29]  * smittix points to diddledan
[11:30] <davmor2> oh I do like the new apt it is much nicer than apt-get the tab complete missing is a pain but the other features are really nice
[11:31] <diddledan> hmm?
[11:31]  * diddledan looks up
[11:31] <davmor2> smittix: PRIME profiles infact
[11:31] <diddledan> sorry, I was.. well, moobs..
[11:31] <MooDoo> ew ew ew
[11:32] <diddledan> :-p
[11:37] <bashc> new apt?  is it shiny?
[11:38] <popey> it has a nice progress bar!
[11:41] <davmor2> popey, bashc: it does nice highlighting and list/search too
[11:42] <shauno> here's a bad sign.  timing page load times.  went off and made coffee.  it's still going.
[11:43] <diddledan> 1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi ..
[11:43] <diddledan> shauno, measure it in cups
[11:43] <shauno> lol, I wish.  I'm at 15 minutes and counting
[11:44] <diddledan> shauno, how come it didn't timeout
[11:44] <shauno> the wonders of javascript
[11:44] <diddledan> oh
[11:44] <diddledan> are you sure it's actually doing something rather than spinning for the sake of it?
[11:45] <shauno> nope.  I'm pretty convinced it doesn't exist.  but dev have assured us it's been "fixed" and it does load.
[11:46] <diddledan> step 1) display spinny thing. step 2) try load a resource. step 3) fail. step 4) ... step 5) profit? step x) were we meant to do something with that spinny thing?
[11:47] <popey> Interesting, Steam update.. it now says "SteamOS + Linux" in the dropdown, not just Linux anymore
[11:47] <diddledan> shauno, when this coffee's done, set a screen recorder running and hit reload. go make a coffee. 30 minutes later hit stop on the screen recorder and send the video to the dev
[11:47] <diddledan> at the least it'll make him sit through 30 minutes of cr*p
[11:48] <shauno> 30 minutes might not be long enough.  it takes 68 seconds to load an account containing one entry.  I'm trying to pull up a corp-sized account.  if it scales linear, it should be loaded by time I go home
[11:48] <diddledan> oh god
[11:49] <diddledan> I need food
[11:50] <diddledan> feed me!
[11:51] <diddledan> sudo feed me?
[11:52] <DJones> Roll on 4:30 pm tomorrow, 4 day weekend
[11:52] <diddledan> o_O
[11:52] <diddledan> friday isn't a bang holiday, again, is it?
[11:53] <DJones> I wish it was, going for a cortisone injection in my elbow
[11:53] <diddledan> oh :-(
[11:54] <MooDoo> diddledan: not friday, monday is.
[11:55]  * MooDoo finishes at 11am tomorrow then back Tuesday
[11:55] <diddledan> part timers
[11:55] <davmor2> MooDoo: sciver
[11:56] <MooDoo> davmor2: studying
[11:56] <davmor2> MooDoo: now you're just using teachers excuses for the 6 week holiday
[11:56] <MooDoo> pmsl....I've got an exam on the 16th May
[11:56] <DJones> MooDoo: I'm tempted to swap you a cortisone injection for the studying
[11:57] <MooDoo> DJones: it's a microsoft exam, both equally as painful ;)
[11:57] <DJones> :) Ouch
[11:57] <MooDoo> DJones: installing and configuring windows 2012 server.
[11:58] <diplo> Ive done that course MooDoo
[11:59] <diplo> Never took the exam
[11:59] <MooDoo> diplo: cool :)
[11:59] <DJones> MooDoo: In that case, I won't swap, I'll stick with the injection
[11:59] <MooDoo> DJones:  :)
[12:00] <smittix> Why is it when I make a picture my desktop background it copies it to 'Wallpapers' and messes up my OCD file structure.
[12:01] <MooDoo> user error
[12:01] <smittix> Try it Mr MooDoo
[12:01] <davmor2> smittix: because when you tell it to be a wallpaper it's a wallpaper ;)
[12:01] <MooDoo> not at home at the moment,
[12:02] <smittix> I have /home/wallpapers/scenery I right click a image in scenery -> make background and it copies itselft to /home/wallpapers/
[12:04] <DJones> I quite like the auto-changing wallpapers in 14.04
[12:22] <popey> ooh, a jolla handset has arrived at my abode
[12:23] <daftykins> :)
[12:23] <daftykins> what's one of those sir?
[12:23] <popey> a phone, innit
[12:23] <daftykins> but from whom!
[12:23] <popey> Jolla
[12:23] <Myrtti> derp :-D
[12:24] <daftykins> ok i suppose i was more after a site with specs/pics XD
[12:24] <popey> jolla
[12:24] <daftykins> but failed to actually express that accurately
[12:24] <popey> .com
[12:24] <popey> ☻
[12:24] <daftykins> XD
[12:24] <DJones> popey: How many phones have you got now, at this rate you'll be able to open a phone shop
[12:24] <daftykins> popey: for that you're getting a cat pic
[12:24] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/posxtzrtt9t4oro/IMG_20140430_130430.jpg
[12:24] <daftykins> "well harro there neighbour"
[12:24] <popey> DJones: sadly it's not for me
[12:24] <popey> 5
[12:25] <DJones> Ah well, I'll hold off on registering popeyphone.com then
[12:25] <Myrtti> I've got Little Miss Purry in my lap again
[12:25] <Myrtti> purr purr
[12:25] <MooDoo> soft kitty warm kitty little ball of fur
[12:26] <diddledan> I want a little miss purry
[12:26]  * diddledan pouts
[12:27]  * diddledan stomps his feet
[12:28] <Myrtti> she smells of fish
[12:28] <jussi> !pony | diddledan
[12:28] <jussi> awww
[12:28] <diddledan> lol
[12:28] <jussi> !pony-#ubuntu-offtopic | diddledan
[12:29] <diddledan> dear god what did they do to her?!
[12:29] <jussi> hehe
[12:29] <diddledan> that's going on facebook
[12:30] <shauno> I assume the ! negates, so that's simply the negative-pony
[12:31] <diddledan> lol
[12:32] <jussi> ...
[12:33] <daftykins> Myrtti: :D
[12:33] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/shlz5xupyzg811m/IMG_20140430_132931.jpg
[12:33] <daftykins> someone's enjoying the sun
[12:34] <shauno> sun?  summer was last weekend :(
[12:35] <daftykins> hahaha
[12:35] <daftykins> perhaps in your corner ;)
[12:35] <daftykins> meant to rain from 5pm though
[12:35] <popey> awww
[12:35] <popey> my two are almost certainly on the kids beds
[12:35] <popey> sky on sams, salem on sophies
[12:36] <smittix> My cat kind of acts weird when I take his photo - https://www.dropbox.com/s/mav27vczh0g4e6c/DSCF1390.JPG
[12:36] <smittix> I should have called him Derp
[12:36] <shauno> your cat spends too much time on reddit
[12:36] <smittix> heh
[12:36] <daftykins> that is a face alright
[12:37] <smittix> Yeah with the look on his face in that picture I guess he's been in /r/wtf
[12:37] <daftykins> "here Tom" ... "WAT!?"
[12:37] <smittix> He's a good cat though
[12:37] <DJones> Ooh, Bob Hoskins has died
[12:38] <daftykins> what :(
[12:38] <smittix> DJones: Source?
[12:38] <daftykins> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-27224995
[12:38] <DJones> smittix: BBC website
[12:38] <smittix> :(
[12:38] <jussi> who was bob hoskins?
[12:39] <DJones> jussi: Who framed woger wabbit actor
[12:39] <shauno> he wasn't roger rabbit, in who framed roger rabbit
[12:39] <jussi> oh
[12:39]  * Myrtti tries to upload a photo
[12:41] <smittix> sad news
[12:42] <smittix> He was also Smee from "Hook"
[12:44] <DJones> Just looking at imdb, he was Mario in the Super Mario Bros film
[12:44] <smittix> DJones: Oh yeah, forgot about that one.
[12:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Always remember him in "The Long Good Friday". Great film.
[12:44] <Myrtti> https://plus.google.com/100016383867666174158/posts/YgWuMpuVkE2
[12:45] <daftykins> awww
[12:46] <daftykins> i love the little white chest bit, an old fave cat of mine had that
[12:46] <smittix> daftykins Tom can take a decent photo too heh https://www.dropbox.com/s/40v4ywkf6h4jsgr/DSC_4146%20copy2.jpg
[12:48] <daftykins> :D
[12:48] <daftykins> srs bsns
[12:50] <smittix> heh
[12:50] <daftykins> anyone seen these adverts on sites? someone in another chan just linked me, totally SFW - http://adultcatfinder.com/
[12:50] <daftykins> first time i had a seriously 'wtf' moment
[12:51] <smittix> haha
[12:51] <smittix> I'm sticking that on my blog
[12:52] <Myrtti> then the official comic relief, princess' sibling Pepe thinks he's a dog.
[12:53] <Myrtti> favourite toy of all time is a soda bottle top, or a plastic twist top of any kind, that he brings to anyone and asks it to be thrown so he can fetch it.
[12:54] <daftykins> :D
[12:54] <smittix> Tom likes biting peoples toes
[12:54] <daftykins> 'fetch' with any pets at my parents place always meant 'throw and never see again'
[12:59] <Myrtti> no, he literally brings the bottle top over, drops it on your lap, or next to you in your bed, or better yet if you have a plate, on your plate, mews, and if there's something he can do it on, does the whole 'duck retriever dog' pose and mews again if you're too slow to throw the top for him
[13:09] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/06yr18f57620t9v/IMG_20140430_140324.jpg
[13:09] <daftykins> shall soon be wrestling with this as i can go and get my replacement drive shortly
[13:16] <diddledan> daftykins, hotswappable?
[13:17] <shauno> diddledan: it does work!  1 hr 45 minutes.
[13:18] <diddledan> shauno: I think that's stretching the definition a bit
[13:18] <diddledan> so, how many cups?
[13:18] <daftykins> diddledan: yeah
[13:19] <diddledan> shauno, two cups of coffee and a soup?
[13:19] <daftykins> diddledan: shame i don't have a proper enclosure, but 6 disks and the nicest i've seen (and bought for others) are 5 disk >_<
[13:19] <diddledan> dang
[13:38] <foobarry> my voicemail had disabled itself. does that after 60 days *LAME*
[13:39] <foobarry> giffgaff fail
[13:54] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[13:55] <shauno> as much as I hate morning shifts, it's kinda nice to get home at 3pm
[13:55] <shauno> 'lo bigcalm
[13:55] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: :)
[13:57] <diddledan> shauno no fair
[13:58] <shauno> well, that's how I feel when my alarm goes off at 5am
[13:58] <diddledan> shauno, but then I guess I didn't have to sit on my thumb waiting for a 1hr45min javascript call
[13:59] <shauno> not the least productive thing I've done on the clock
[14:03] <MooDoo> shauno: 7 - 3;30 for me, it's nice isn't it
[14:08] <foobarry> will g+ allow screen sharing?
[14:08] <MooDoo> hangouts you mean?
[14:08] <MooDoo> https://support.google.com/plus/answer/1660627?hl=en-GB
[14:08] <foobarry> neither of us have to install stuff locally?
[14:11] <MooDoo> not sure never tried it
[14:17] <foobarry> have a user who is failing to login with keys in putty although it works when i try it
[14:18] <smittix> foobarry: I think you will have to install a browser plugin for hangouts
[14:18] <foobarry> hmm
[14:23] <SuperMatt> MooDoo: ?
[14:24] <foobarry> i just installed a kde app :(
[14:24] <foobarry> 120mb of dependencies.
[14:24] <foobarry> sorry to my PC
[14:24] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: rackspace are sending me a tshirt, you  all rock
[14:24] <SuperMatt> we did that? Why?
[14:24] <SuperMatt> I have no idea
[14:25] <SuperMatt> who did it, I need to make it known
[14:25]  * foobarry wants a tee
[14:26] <daftykins> just been to the post office to get my new HDD
[14:26] <daftykins> desperately in need of this 1TB disk to pop in my array to replace a dead one
[14:26] <daftykins> what did amazon do?
[14:26] <penguin42> was it there and in one piece?
[14:26] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ogvzz7615wrvwz0/yHWSmQJVfm
[14:26] <daftykins> check out the label in pic #3 - WD10EFRX
[14:27] <penguin42> damn, you seem to have some free bytes
[14:27] <daftykins> and yet now i'm scuppered 'cause they'll all be wasted in my array >_<
[14:28] <penguin42> no no, it's really a ploy to get you to order a bunch of new 2TB drives
[14:28] <daftykins> it is isn't it :(
[14:28] <daftykins> plus now i get this one a third off
[14:28] <daftykins> so they're saying "g'wan buy 5 more"
[14:28] <daftykins> that's a BAD amazon!
[14:30] <daftykins> i feel really weird about wanting to actually complain i got more than i bargained for...
[14:31] <diddledan> lol
[14:31] <diddledan> HOW DARE YOU GIVE ME MOAR
[14:31] <daftykins> exactly :(
[14:31] <diddledan> at least it's the right traffic-light
[14:32] <diddledan> i.e. red
[14:32] <daftykins> yep
[14:32] <daftykins> SHTAP dafty, this array rebuild ish not ready yet
[14:34] <diddledan> mm tea
[14:34] <diddledan> alan_g|tea your round
[14:37] <daftykins> :D
[14:37] <daftykins> my milks off though so don't use that
[14:37] <daftykins> had a funky gut upon getting into bed last night =|
[14:42] <smittix> Reddit is a strange creature, you get downvoted to oblivion for helping people. heh
[14:43] <daftykins> sounnds like #ubuntu
[14:44] <smittix> /r/Linux is not a nice place heh
[15:05] <mapps> hello
[15:05] <mapps> i have returned
[15:05] <mapps> ;]
[15:05] <diddledan> mornign
[15:05] <mapps> time for some more tv:D
[15:05] <diddledan> I watched three movies last night
[15:05] <diddledan> including world war Z
[15:05] <daftykins> three!
[15:05] <daftykins> i wasn't fond of World War Z
[15:06] <diddledan> I found wwz rushed the finish
[15:06] <diddledan> it was great until suddenly it was over
[15:07] <diddledan> at least with resident evil the apocalypse has eeked out 4 movies
[15:07] <diddledan> and there's still more to go
[15:07] <diddledan> btw, alice: totally hot
[15:08] <daftykins> wow i just spoke with amazon live chat
[15:08] <mapps> hmm
[15:08] <mapps> i enjoyed world war z tbh
[15:08] <daftykins> they're ok for me to keep the 2TB disk
[15:08] <daftykins> O_O
[15:08] <mapps> what pther films diddledan
[15:09] <daftykins> mapps: check out my 1TB WD Red order from Amazon - https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ogvzz7615wrvwz0/yHWSmQJVfm
[15:09] <diddledan> mapps, resident evil (the latest one) :-p and priest
[15:09] <mapps> hmm think i seen res evil
[15:09] <mapps> priest..good?
[15:09] <diddledan> I enjoyed it
[15:09] <diddledan> fusion of gothic with Wild West
[15:10] <diddledan> gothic - vampires
[15:10] <diddledan> wildwest - gunslinging deserty types
[15:11] <mapps> ok qyestion
[15:11] <mapps> http://radio.betfair.com/
[15:11] <mapps> anyone know how i could make that work on iphone?
[15:11] <daftykins> i would feel dirty permitting Apple talk in here ;)
[15:12] <mapps> well pretend ts not:)
[15:12] <diddledan> mapps looks like it's windows media
[15:12] <mapps> yea
[15:12] <mapps> or flash
[15:12] <diddledan> it opened in flip4mac on my mac
[15:12] <mapps> is there anyway i could open it on ios??
[15:12] <diddledan> there _might_ be an app which can open it but I wouldn't bet on it
[15:14] <daftykins> hmm here we go, seeing some addresses in the sauce
[15:14] <daftykins> ah no just ads by the looks
[15:14] <mapps> :((
[15:15] <daftykins> i don't have the plugin installed to see what windows media might do
[15:15] <mapps> ah
[15:15] <daftykins> but it might give you a .asx with a stream URL in
[15:15] <mapps> works witth flash but thats no good eh
[15:16] <daftykins> not for trying to thieve a source URL nah
[15:25] <mapps> anyone watch marvel agents of shield?
[15:27] <daftykins> nah, been told it got better though
[15:28] <diddledan> I saw the first ep
[15:28] <diddledan> then forgot about it
[15:28] <diddledan> I think I've got it all on sky+ though
[15:29] <daftykins> sub TV diddledan, i'm shocked!
[15:30] <diddledan> yeah, I suck
[15:31] <mapps> heh
[15:31] <daftykins> ugh saying no to getting that disk swapped has kinda locked me into the idea of either selling it for profit or buying another 5
[15:31] <diddledan> another 5!!!!!!!!!!1!
[15:31] <diddledan> :-p
[15:31] <daftykins> yeah :D
[15:31] <diddledan> then sell the old ones
[15:31] <daftykins> 12 port controller, 6 x 1TB right now
[15:32] <daftykins> nah half have been spinning for 6 years
[15:32] <daftykins> they're worth 0
[15:32] <diddledan> aah
[15:32] <daftykins> could maybe donate to my old college
[15:32] <diddledan> yeah, if they're all 6y/o then it might be worth a phased replacement anyway
[15:32] <daftykins> £302.90 for another 5
[15:32] <mapps> what machine u got them in
[15:33] <daftykins> mapps: did you see my pics of them sending me the wrong thing?
[15:33] <mapps> nopes
[15:33] <mapps> i remember you saying
[15:33] <daftykins> i just got a 2TB WD Red instead of a 1TB
[15:33] <mapps> ya
[15:33] <mapps> but what machine u got all these disks in:D
[15:33] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ogvzz7615wrvwz0/yHWSmQJVfm
[15:33] <daftykins> just a custom server
[15:33] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/06yr18f57620t9v/IMG_20140430_140324.jpg
[15:34] <mapps> no pic loaded hm
[15:34] <daftykins> first or second link?
[15:34] <mapps> Preview failed.
[15:34] <mapps> first
[15:34] <diddledan> what do the two mobo headers go to?
[15:34] <diddledan> sata**
[15:34] <daftykins> sounds like a prog tried to view it instead of the browser
[15:35] <daftykins> diddledan: the mobo ones or the 3ware controller card ones?
[15:35] <mapps> what cpu/ram/case u got :) just curious
[15:35] <diddledan> daftykins the mobo
[15:35] <daftykins> got a 120GB samsung 840 vanilla OS + VM disk in there
[15:35] <daftykins> and a 2TB downloads disk
[15:35] <diddledan> aah
[15:36] <daftykins> mapps: i shall share in a mo, it's not terribly exciting. just gonna nip to the coffee shop
[15:36] <mapps> oke:)
[15:49] <daftykins> oook
[15:50] <daftykins> so it's an old Coolermaster Stacker case with an Asus P5KC mobo (DDR2 and 3 LGA775) with a Pentium dual-core E2180 2GHz, 4GB RAM...
[15:50] <mapps> ah cool
[15:50] <daftykins> 3ware 9650SE 12 port SATA RAID controller with 6 x 1TB WD Re's, aforementioned 2TB and SSD
[15:51] <daftykins> put the array together back in Jan 2008 as an upgrade from the prior 8 x 250GB
[15:51] <penguin42> The 3wares were always the best for reliability/doing the right thing - but can you get any write bandwidth from it
[15:51] <mapps> i need to build a new server at some point..no idea on motherboards/cpus anymore, any i get will be fine for a raidcard anyway?
[15:52] <daftykins> penguin42: i can't say i've really got any metrics to confirm, only tend to copy onto it from the Downloads drive, so it's only really reliability i go for
[15:52] <daftykins> naturally it's more than enough to saturate gigabit LAN
[15:53] <daftykins> mapps: well as you would see if the pic link worked for you (try again? :) ) the RAID controller is in a second PCI-E 16x slot, though it itself is only an 8x card
[15:55] <mapps> ah
[15:56] <mapps> i just wanna build a nice quiet server to sit in the corner and chug away..my current machines too loud..and id keep that for testing anyway
[15:56] <daftykins> my old card was a PCI-X
[15:57] <diddledan> I want an HP microserver
[15:57] <diddledan> they looks the business
[15:58] <daftykins> they always seemed tiny in pics to me, like they couldn't take many disks
[15:59] <mapps> but they can im guessing by what you say
[15:59] <mapps> LD
[15:59] <mapps> :D
[16:01] <diddledan> http://www.ebuyer.com/616877-hp-proliant-microserver-g7-n54l-1p-4gb-u-non-hot-plug-sata-150w-ps-744900-421
[16:01] <bigcalm> Aww, I was hoping it would be on offer again
[16:01] <diddledan> no such luck :-(
[16:02] <daftykins> mapps: mine does a few things like run a web server VM, another VM that this IRC client runs from... yada yada
[16:03] <daftykins> so a choice might depend on what you want it to do
[16:03] <mapps> so recommend me something thatll do for my beasty but quiet server :)
[16:03] <daftykins> well knowing the use-case would possibly point at better choices
[16:03] <mapps> what can u fit in the hp..i cant tell
[16:03] <daftykins> mine doesn't even support Intel VT for my VMs yet it still runs them fine
[16:04] <bigcalm> I bought my last HP Proliant microserver from Servers Plus: http://www.serversplus.com/servers/tower_servers/hp_tower_servers
[16:04] <bigcalm> Sometimes they have cash back offers
[16:04] <mapps> basically just a machine thatll sit there and store all my films/tv/music and a few other things ..it wont run any servers http/vpn etc ..vpn/http/squid will be run on my old machine
[16:04] <mapps> thisll just be storage and possibly used to download from or to...#
[16:06] <daftykins> you might even be better off just getting a Synology NAS then
[16:06] <daftykins> but a full computer is muchly tempting since then you can run anything you want
[16:07] <mapps> yea id prefer to be able to do what i want
[16:07] <mapps> maybe use xbmc who knows mythtv etc
[16:07] <daftykins> low power i-series intels may well be at a premium, lets see
[16:07] <daftykins> mapps: so that definitely doesn't work in your browser? https://www.dropbox.com/s/06yr18f57620t9v/IMG_20140430_140324.jpg
[16:08] <daftykins> i can pop it up elsewhere if not
[16:08] <mapps> sec
[16:08] <mapps> aha now it did
[16:08] <mapps> :D
[16:09] <mapps> i was thinking some kinda low power setup maybe 4-6gb ram ...4x2tb ...just dunno case/cpu/
[16:09] <mapps> and then just run ubuntu server no gui needed
[16:10] <daftykins> *nod*
[16:10] <daftykins> hang on i have some geek pr0n you'd appreciate
[16:10] <mapps> an i5 or something would be too overpowered?
[16:10] <mapps> dont think its needed
[16:10] <daftykins> yeah definitely
[16:10] <daftykins> but i was wondering if a low power i3 might exist
[16:10] <mapps> yea
[16:11] <daftykins> £70 exc VAT on ebuyer for an i3 4130
[16:11] <mapps> what case though? those micro ones are nice - i used to like those shuttle pcs..had a load of them at uni in one of the rooms
[16:11] <daftykins> hrmm 54W TDP
[16:11] <daftykins> could definitely do way better than that power wise
[16:11] <daftykins> perhaps even one of these funky AMD APUs might be good power wise
[16:11] <daftykins> well disk space would be your controlling factor there
[16:12] <mapps> i cant see how many hdds those hps can take..u sure it says on that site
[16:12] <mapps> yea
[16:12] <mapps> i was just saying those shuttles were nicep
[16:12] <mapps> ;p
[16:12] <daftykins> it wasn't my link but i don't remember nah
[16:12] <diddledan> the HP micros can take 4x3.5in
[16:12] <mapps> hm
[16:12] <mapps> thats not too bad
[16:13] <mapps> could chuck 4x2tb in
[16:13] <daftykins> i'd recommend keeping your OS separate from storage volumes though
[16:13] <daftykins> sadly with my current array i'm stuck in Windows land as it's an NTFS volume
[16:13] <mapps> ah
[16:13] <mapps> i didnt even think about that
[16:13] <mapps> good point
[16:14] <mapps> could us
[16:14] <mapps> just get a 5th and partition it and that
[16:14] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/j4jb3sxx1thyegp/disks.jpg
[16:14] <daftykins> :)
[16:14] <mapps> :)
[16:15] <mapps> help me with the cpu/mobo and case daftykins you know better than me
[16:15] <mapps> i dont really know what kinda cpu to look for..just know i5/i7 isnt needed for this..its just gonna be a storage vault
[16:15] <daftykins> lovely icybox enclosures
[16:15] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/xz6g491uau5uqr4/icyboxes.png
[16:15] <mapps> ;]
[16:15] <daftykins> okie dokie shall continue browsing
[16:16] <daftykins> the above is a clients 12TB RAID6
[16:16] <mapps> nice
[16:16] <daftykins> currently has...  2TB free
[16:16] <diddledan> hah, I guessed right
[16:16] <mapps> ive read about people using atom cpus ..but dont think thats appropriate imo
[16:16] <daftykins> the very latest atoms might not be too bad, but my HTPC is an atom and...
[16:16] <daftykins> i would not want to do much with that :D
[16:16] <mapps> heh
[16:17] <mapps> then what freaking cpu daftykins;p no i5/atom
[16:17] <daftykins> alright alright! :P
[16:17] <mapps> newest generation of celerons?
[16:17] <mapps> i only used a celeron years back when they sucked bad
[16:17] <daftykins> http://www.ebuyer.com/store/Components/cat/Processors-Intel/subcat/Socket-LGA-1150-Haswell?limit=30&sort=price%20ascending&page=1
[16:17] <daftykins> that G1820 is meant to be quite capable
[16:18] <daftykins> with onboard graphics now you can avoid having a card at all, too
[16:18] <mapps> yea
[16:18] <mapps> would be no need really
[16:18] <daftykins> (mine just has some cheap ass £15 passively cooled thing)
[16:18] <daftykins> i of course use it via RDP so it's headless
[16:18] <mapps> 31.88 thats cheap
[16:18] <mapps> and what mobo?
[16:18] <daftykins> still a 53W TDP on that though
[16:19] <mapps> is that a big deal?
[16:19] <daftykins> well it's technically only what it pushes max load
[16:20] <diddledan> why do I like my typing to make a lot of noise at times
[16:20] <diddledan> I love pounding on keys
[16:20] <daftykins> :D
[16:21] <daftykins> can be satisfying
[16:21] <diddledan> the apple wired keyboard is pretty good for that
[16:21] <daftykins> http://www.ebuyer.com/398830-amd-a4-5300-3-4ghz-socket-fm2-4mb-l2-cache-retail-boxed-processor-ad5300okhjbox
[16:21] <Laney> hope you don't have to share the space with other people :(
[16:21] <daftykins> 65W TDP 0o
[16:22] <diddledan> I sometimes hit the enterkey with menace when I think I've fixed something that's been bugging me and I'm confirming the git commit
[16:22] <diddledan> complete with flaring hand over my shoulder
[16:22] <daftykins> mapps: only trouble with setting up some proper storage, is it's a commitment to keep buying and re-doing every few years... like the situation i'm in now where my disks are old and could continue flaking out at any moment
[16:22] <mapps> http://www.ebuyer.com/546300-asus-h81m-c-socket-1150-dvi-8-channel-hd-audio-matx-motherboard-h81m-c thatd be good enough daftykins?
[16:22] <mapps> yea
[16:22] <mapps> but its better than having stuff all over the place on several diff machines
[16:22] <mapps> and hdds
[16:23] <daftykins> :D
[16:23] <daftykins> deffo
[16:23] <daftykins> hilariously when i built my new array
[16:23] <mapps> that mobo good enough? cheap as chips
[16:23] <diddledan> daftykins, plug the new one in immediately!
[16:23] <daftykins> the old one got its' very first bad sector the very same day
[16:23] <daftykins> i lost exactly one TV episode
[16:23] <daftykins> :)
[16:23] <mapps> heh
[16:24] <mapps> thats ok then
[16:24] <daftykins> that *is* a very cheap board
[16:24] <daftykins> very few SATA ports
[16:25] <mapps> hm
[16:25] <daftykins> you need to think about how you'd handle the storage
[16:25] <daftykins> my controller card was £££
[16:25] <daftykins> but i like that when the you know what and the fan meet, my hair stays quite intact on my head
[16:26] <daftykins> i think a lack of experience on my part would make dealing with software RAID under Linux a very stressful time
[16:26] <mapps> yea i imagine itd be a pain for me too
[16:27] <mapps> so i should prob chse a diff board
[16:27] <daftykins> depends on your budget
[16:28] <daftykins> a lot of these guys run those HP microservers so there wouldn't be any shortage of assistance for the software RAID aspect i guess
[16:29] <mapps> well dont wanna spend more than necessary..as i say this is just basically a big storage thing
[16:29] <daftykins> yeah, if you combine all the disks into one volume you'd want some fault tolerance though
[16:29] <mapps> yea
[16:29] <daftykins> unless you wanna just use the 4 x 2TB as separate volumes
[16:29] <mapps> so you mean like have 4x2tb and use 4tb of it as mirror
[16:29] <mapps> ?
[16:30] <daftykins> RAID5 would lose one disk to parity, so 4 x 2TB would come out as 6TB usable
[16:30] <daftykins> but any one disk can fail and it'll keep going until you replace it
[16:30] <daftykins> but a second failure would be game over
[16:32] <mapps> but id know about first and could replace
[16:32] <mapps> ?
[16:32] <mapps> how many SATA ports should i look at getting..surely il err need a raid card
[16:32] <daftykins> yeah i'm sure even software RAID screams at you in logs a fair amount
[16:33] <daftykins> my 3ware controllers auto verify every Friday night, so i get emails to confirm
[16:33] <daftykins> amusingly i'd just fixed mines email config when i got the email showing a disk was going :)
[16:33] <mapps> heh
[16:33] <mapps> nice
[16:34] <mapps> how many sata ports you think
[16:34] <daftykins> well i always aimed for double the ports i was gonna use
[16:34] <daftykins> then in future you can add more
[16:34] <daftykins> first time i did it i had 8 disks on an 8 port, time came for a new array and i was screwed. had to drop £350+ on a new controller just so i could migrate the data from one to the other
[16:35] <daftykins> now, i have 6 on a 12 so i can buy another 6 disks and copy over
[16:35] <daftykins> ooh i just realised i know someone with a 1TB spare
[16:35] <daftykins> 8D
[16:35] <mapps> hmm but u said that mobo doesnt have many ports..does that matter if im getting a raid card?
[16:35] <daftykins> it won't no
[16:36] <daftykins> depends what you can do in controller terms
[16:36] <daftykins> as i say mine was serious money
[16:36] <daftykins> i got mine from scan.co.uk last time as they offered them
[16:36] <daftykins> http://www.scan.co.uk/search.aspx?q=3ware
[16:36] <daftykins> heh i used to talk to Frank at Portsmouth Uni about my RAID plans come to think of it :>
 3ware 3ware 3ware 3ware!
[16:37] <daftykins> there y'go mapps, bargain - http://www.scan.co.uk/products/3ware-sas-9750-24i4e-sgl-24-port-int-4-port-ext-6gb-s-sataplussas-pcie-20-512mb
[16:37] <daftykins> :D
[16:40] <daftykins> ouch so £431 inc is the cheapest 8 port
[16:40] <daftykins> so yeah big decision to make there
[16:40] <daftykins> you could just be brave and go the software route :)
[16:41] <Myrtti> May Day eve. Methinks it's time to put the ciders and ginger ale into fridge
[16:41] <Myrtti> especially since the dog cat decided to knead my arm with his nails and it itches and stings like hell now
[16:46] <mapps> woah raid cards expensive eh daftykins
[16:46] <daftykins> sure are
[16:46] <mapps> Myrtti what ciders?:D strongbow dark fruitis ace
[16:46] <Myrtti> mapps: it's a Finnish brand, not sold in UK
[16:50] <daftykins> mapps: you could just get a dumb simple card that offers more ports and just go the software route - totally down to your confidence really :)
[16:52] <mapps> hmm why would i need a card to go sw route
[16:52] <daftykins> oh you wouldn't
[16:53] <daftykins> could just get the board with more
[16:53] <mapps> yea
[17:04] <daftykins> ugh i don't know if i really want to spend on this junk again XD
[17:25] <mapps> hmm
[17:25] <mapps> feels like its warm enough to wear shorts to work
[17:29] <MooDoo> ewwwwwwwww ;)
[17:29] <daftykins> i'm wearing them in the day but it tends to get nippy enough to change in the evenings inside
[17:31] <mapps> lol whats wrong with shorts MonsterKiller
[17:31] <mapps> MooDoo
[17:31] <mapps> fs
[17:31] <MooDoo> lol nothing at all, just picturing your white legs ;)
[17:32] <MooDoo> bet they are not as white as mine ;)
[17:33] <mapps> hahaha
[17:33] <mapps> i could be black or asian
[17:33] <mapps> but yea im not..im pale white;p
[17:36] <MooDoo> lol nothing like me stereotyping people is ther ;)
[17:37] <mapps> but its right
[17:37] <mapps> lol
[17:37] <mapps> pale pasty white brit
[17:37] <mapps> :)
[17:37] <daftykins> XD
[17:37] <daftykins> mine are super pale thin sticks
[17:38] <daftykins> cyclists legs
[17:38] <MooDoo> lol
[17:39] <daftykins> i believe they could be weaponised via a fiendish image online
[17:39] <daftykins> but i'm just not that cruel
[17:39] <daftykins> ...yet.
[17:39] <mapps> off to work i go
[17:39] <mapps> but never fear il be back online;p
[17:39] <MooDoo> have a good one :D
[17:39] <mapps> avoiding work at all costs
[17:44] <daftykins> lol
[17:44] <daftykins> quick, screenshot and email mapps' boss
[18:08] <maps|wrk> back
[18:08] <maps|wrk> ;]
[18:09] <maps|wrk> got an awful kb though..keys dont feel right and its too loud everyone can hear me tapping away:(
[18:47] <daftykins> stealth maps is no more!
[18:59] <maps|wrk> well
[18:59] <maps|wrk> yea its a bit annoying
[18:59] <maps|wrk> im also sitting where people can see my screen..but noone really in
[18:59] <maps|wrk> :)
[19:00] <maps|wrk> normally i try and find an office with noone else in it..with the pc facing the wall so noone can see the monitors
[19:00] <maps|wrk> :D
[19:00] <daftykins> do they just have banks of workstations?
[19:00] <daftykins> haha school time style
[19:00] <daftykins> 'the kids at the back are always trouble makers!'
[19:06] <maps|wrk> lol
[19:06] <maps|wrk> well im doing my job at the same time
[19:38] <maps|wrk> a SuperEngineer  AND a SuperMatt
[19:38] <maps|wrk> :)
[19:39] <SuperEngineer> but of course!
[19:44] <SuperMatt> we're just too super
[19:47] <jussi> just super!
[19:48] <jussi> (yeah, I know, I sound like gary, but he isnt here, so someone has to do it...) :P
[19:49] <maps|wrk> people are alive..hoorah
[20:04] <diddledan> morning
[20:13] <maps|wrk> hey diddledan
[20:22] <diddledan> a patchin' we will go, a patchin' we will go, ee aye the adio, a patchin' we will go
[20:23] <diddledan> whoever says I'm not a sucker for punishment, I challenge to physically assault me
[20:24]  * diddledan counts on his fingers.. no wait.. does that work right?
[20:25] <diddledan> soon, my precious
[20:25] <soon> why ...  I'm watching Orphan Black ... get-iPLayer didn't get episode 4 completely ... corrupted :-( ... It's now off iPlayer ... anyone happen to have that episode on local file?
[20:28] <diddledan> not I
[20:28] <diddledan> someone else might
[20:29] <soon> I was hoping, someone might
[20:29] <maps|wrk> hey soon
[20:29] <maps|wrk> orphan black s1?
[20:29] <maps|wrk> orphan black was decent
[20:29] <maps|wrk> s2 just started!
[20:29] <soon> hey - yup S01E04
[20:29] <soon> I missed series one all together, so I'm cathing up :-)
[20:29] <maps|wrk> aha
[20:29] <maps|wrk> slow
[20:29] <maps|wrk> :D
[20:30] <maps|wrk> seen s1 and now onto s2 watched s2e2 on sunday
[20:30] <maps|wrk> and soon just check tpb? it *must* be on there:)
[20:30] <soon> I know s2 just started
[20:30] <soon> tpb?
[20:30] <diddledan> them thar be pirates!
[20:30] <diddledan> yarr
[20:31] <soon> you know why they're called pirates?
[20:31] <maps|wrk> the pirate bay!
[20:31] <maps|wrk> :D
[20:31] <diddledan> and thems has themselves a haul in their bay
[20:31] <soon> .... they just aarrre
[20:31] <maps|wrk> iplayer is kinda annoying...wish they kept styuff on their longer
[20:31] <soon> of course ... tpb ... I'm not a member there though ..
[20:31] <diddledan> shouldn't need to be?
[20:32] <soon> yes, you have to keep your wits about you not to miss anything
[20:32] <maps|wrk> you dont need to be soon
[20:32] <soon> no? I've never actually been to tpb
[20:32] <maps|wrk> http://thepiratebay.se or http://tpbunblocked.me
[20:32] <soon> I'll have a look
[20:32] <maps|wrk> or thwww.thepiratebay.gg
[20:32] <diddledan> the priate bish unblocked me?
[20:32] <maps|wrk> ;]
[20:33] <diddledan> or. the pretty bird unblocked me?
[20:33] <maps|wrk> or the pirate bay unblocked;p
[20:33] <maps|wrk> ya soon you dont download stuff? tsk tsk what a waste of your internets
[20:33] <diddledan> wait, that doesn't make any kind of sense, maps|wrk
[20:34] <maps|wrk> what doesnt
[20:34] <soon> i'm just a do-gooder, nice boy
[20:34] <maps|wrk> make no sense why
[20:35] <soon> It's asking to install an exe file ? weird stuff ...
[20:35] <diddledan> maps|wrk that they'd name it "the pirate bay unblocked" - that's just plain nonsense
[20:36] <diddledan> ooh, don't go running any exes
[20:36] <diddledan> I downloaded a load of movies which claim to have the codec in an exe alongside
[20:36] <diddledan> methinks it's a trojan
[20:37] <soon> well im obviously not going to run an exe file (on linux :-)
[20:37] <diddledan> oooh, yeah
[20:37] <diddledan> hmm, wine?
[20:38] <soon> no wine, just linux
[20:38] <diddledan> I don't tend to think things through very hard
[20:38] <diddledan> beer?
[20:38] <diddledan> that's free dun'tchaknow
[20:38] <diddledan> free as in beer
[20:38] <soon> StartDownload.exe is what I'm getting when I click download ...
[20:38] <diddledan> aah, you're clicking the wrong download button :-p
[20:39] <diddledan> further down there should be textual links to "magnet" or "torrent"
[20:40] <soon> Yes I found the torrent ...
[20:40] <diddledan> grr, nfs is messing me about
[20:40] <soon> thanks for your help ..
[20:41] <diddledan> np, welcome to teh undergrounds
[20:42] <diddledan> where we're all really just geeks who like ubuntu but flirt with n0rty things when it serves a purpose such as shiny tv
[20:43] <diddledan> becuase... shiny
[20:43] <diddledan> who doesn't like shiny?!
[20:44] <soon> dunno?
[20:44] <diddledan> maps|wrk you like shiny, right?
[20:45] <diddledan> I'll bet it's that damned shauno who doesn't. damn you shauno. damn you to ireland!
[20:47] <shauno> wut
[20:47] <diddledan> :-p
[20:47] <diddledan> <-- sleep deprevation
[20:48] <maps|wrk> brb switching machines
[20:49] <diddledan> did I scare him off?
[20:52] <soon> who? me?
[20:52] <diddledan> nah, maps
[20:54] <diddledan> wb mapps
[20:54] <diddledan> maps|wrk
[20:54] <maps|wrk> yo!
[20:56] <diddledan> how long does it take for sleep deprivation to become terminal. be that via exhaustion or via everyone else attacking the deprivee to shut him the F up?
[20:58] <shauno> for the former, I think it's about a week for complications & two weeks for serious complications.  actually dying of it can take months though
[20:59] <shauno> for the later, I want to say about 7 minutes.
[21:03] <maps|wrk> how much sleep do you two gett..youre aloways around;p
[21:03] <maps|wrk> but aslong s u get 5-6 /night is enough imop
[21:04] <shauno> usually about half that.  but I make up for it on my first day off :)
[21:06] <maps|wrk> i try to get 5/6 a night
[21:06] <maps|wrk> and you diddledan
[21:06] <diddledan> I tend to do 2days without sleep then sleep around 10 hours
[21:06] <diddledan> or more
[21:07] <diddledan> more hours sleep, I mean
[21:08] <shauno> hm, how to make bash put things in history even if they start with a space
[21:28] <maps|wrk> http://www.channel4.com/programmes/derek/4od
[21:28] <maps|wrk> derek s2e1 was giid
[21:28] <maps|wrk> good
[21:41] <Bob____> Hey is anyone able to help me with a game related issue with Ubuntu?
[21:46] <maps|wrk> ah oops didnt see
[22:06] <diddledan> "don't attribute to malice that which can be easily explained by incompetence"
[22:07] <maps|wrk> this docu on chan5 'newcastle after dark' wow it seems hideous at night..i get every town is kinda bad for binge drinking
[22:07] <maps|wrk> but they have 'street pastors' , police galore, a booze bus parked up to take care of people
[22:08] <maps|wrk> lol
[22:08] <maps|wrk> i've never been to newcastle mind, not sure i want to
[22:09] <diddledan> southampton has the boozebus and street pastors too
[22:09] <diddledan> I had a good conversation on my way out to get pished
[22:09] <diddledan> they're thoroughly nice folk the street pastors
[22:09] <maps|wrk> oh really, didnt know
[22:10] <maps|wrk> i lived in portsmouth for 3 years and i never saw either there
[22:10] <shauno> I like newcastle.  but I did notice some of the best pubs look pretty grim from the outside
[22:10] <maps|wrk> never seen the bus/pastors in woking/guildford or anywhere in Souf London
[22:10] <maps|wrk> I just have this image of newcastle as being a very poor, very uneducated chav area?:)
[22:11] <maps|wrk> all the fake tan and makeup doesn't do the image any favours
[22:12] <maps|wrk> lol another thing i cant understand, all the girls taking there shoes off...even when not that drunk...streets everywhere are filthy
[22:13] <diddledan> maps|wrk flipflops to the rescue
[22:13] <maps|wrk> lol
[22:13] <maps|wrk> drunk or not..some of the heels these girls wear cant be comfortable ever
[22:13] <diddledan> I don't think heels are comfortable, period.
[22:14] <maps|wrk> stone cold sober ...i imagine some of the heels to be an absolute teeth grinding pain to wear
[22:14] <maps|wrk> yea
[22:14] <maps|wrk> exactly
[22:14] <diddledan> it's supposed to make a girl appear to have longer legs
[22:14] <maps|wrk> i see
[22:15] <diddledan> I don't get it myself
[22:15] <maps|wrk> is Newcastle as bad as i imagine ..in terms of poor/chav or is it just all the shows ive seen making me think that
[22:15] <maps|wrk> it irrirates me hearing girls whine about how their feet hurt..if i wore skin tight jeans I imagine sitting down wouldn't be too comfortable..shock horror
[22:16] <maps|wrk> thats another barmy one tbh..spray on jeans..like girls or guys they CAN'T be comfortable
[22:16] <diddledan> comfy ftw
[22:16] <maps|wrk> ya
[22:16] <maps|wrk> ive got my shorts on atm
[22:16] <maps|wrk> :D
[22:16] <diddledan> I like my aged teeshirts and comfy jeans
[22:17] <maps|wrk> yea i dont like tight clothing, and also with these skin tight jeans...how do you have room for a wallet and phone?
[22:17] <maps|wrk> as it is I find a lot of jeans have rubbish pockets for phone/wallet..but skin tight..lol
[22:17] <diddledan> I don't get how you actually physically absorb them
[22:17] <maps|wrk> ive worn trousers before that are a bit tight and its not comfortable
[22:18] <maps|wrk> and that wasnt on purpose..i mustve just put weight on;p
[22:18] <diddledan> lol
[22:18] <maps|wrk> got my old old shorts on atm, and an old hoodie;p
[22:18] <diddledan> I imagine skintight jeans come with an application tool?
[22:18] <maps|wrk> lol
[22:18] <maps|wrk> sprayed on i thought
[22:19] <maps|wrk> clearly dressed professionally:D
[22:19] <diddledan> lol
[22:19] <maps|wrk> my old glastonbury hoodie..shorts and trainers
[22:19] <maps|wrk> well real shoes would look weird with hoodie and shorts eh
[22:20] <maps|wrk> some other departments have to wear proper work clothes hah1
[22:21] <diddledan> yey for liberal dress code
[22:21] <maps|wrk> ya when i started had t wear shirt/shoesproper trousers right pain
[22:21] <maps|wrk> used to wear a jumper to hide my unironed shirt:)
[22:23] <maps|wrk> lol
[22:23] <maps|wrk> http://www.channel4.com/programmes/how-to-get-a-council-house/4od#3682152
[22:23] <maps|wrk> gotta love it
[22:23] <maps|wrk> 'tower hamlets has one of the highest rents in the country but its also one of the poorest areas'
[22:24] <maps|wrk> i dont get why all these people feel so entitled to it
[22:26] <maps|wrk> you don't find it strange?
[22:29] <maps|wrk> what a joke this womens getting 500/wk benefits and she's complaining and she says 'i can cut mobiles and sky' and the guy in the council laughs and says 'you've still got sky?'
[22:31]  * penguin42 giggles
[22:32] <maps|wrk> seriously i dont get how she could sit there and say that
[22:32] <maps|wrk> O_o
[22:33]  * penguin42 is much to mean to buy sky
[22:34] <maps|wrk> but if someone else was paying?:D
[22:34] <maps|wrk> heh
[22:34] <maps|wrk> sky's rubbish anyway, had it years and years ago..but i mean, all the ads annoy me
[22:34] <maps|wrk> paying a monthly fee and then getting ads galore pfff
[22:40] <maps|wrk> who here has sky?
[22:57] <maps|wrk> Oh my
[22:58] <maps|wrk> a teaching assistant and she put on the form 'to expensive'
[22:58] <maps|wrk> tsk tsk
[23:12] <dogmatic69_> upgraded to 14.04 the other day and now this ... http://i.imgur.com/llz9ndB.png
[23:13] <dogmatic69_> any ideas why?
[23:13] <dogmatic69_> so far it is only mysql workbench I have seen this happen too
[23:20] <maps|wrk> hm
[23:21] <maps|wrk> moment
[23:22] <penguin42> dogmatic69_: That looks like a missing font
[23:22] <dogmatic69_> penguin42: some where removed between 13.x and 14.04?
[23:23] <ali1234> what toolkit is mysql workbench written with?
[23:24] <dogmatic69_> no idea
[23:24] <dogmatic69_> changed all the fonts in the config to Ubuntu/Ubuntu mono and its good now
[23:24] <dogmatic69_> was helvetica and something else
[23:24] <maps|wrk> whats that from or meant to be
[23:24] <maps|wrk> oh u said, sorry
[23:26] <maps|wrk> crap soccer coming up for me
[23:26] <maps|wrk> ;[
[23:27] <maps|wrk> daftykins:
[23:29] <daftykins> what-o
[23:32] <maps|wrk> you use anything like webmin ior zentyal?
[23:33] <daftykins> nah webmin is dead and unsupported in debian land afaik
[23:33] <daftykins> !webmin
[23:34] <daftykins> indeed
[23:34] <daftykins> and not encountered t'other
[23:34] <daftykins> ultimately i think it's fair to say, in all seriousness, that anything that holds your hand in Linux land stops you learning it right
[23:34] <maps|wrk> yea i agree with that:)
[23:34] <maps|wrk> what servuices do you run on your box
[23:34] <maps|wrk> *services
[23:35] <penguin42> daftykins: There are times though when you have to fight something you rarely fight that it's nice to have something that does it for you
[23:38] <maps|wrk> on another topic
[23:38] <maps|wrk> has anyone been to bem brasil?
[23:42] <daftykins> is that something other than brazil?
[23:42] <penguin42> it's a resteraunt chain specialising in meat
[23:42] <daftykins> ah ty
[23:42] <daftykins> don't have chains here
[23:43] <daftykins> penguin42: definitely true, though i think a solid grounding in the hard-way 'round means you can diagnose it better than the experience obtained from the easy way
[23:43] <daftykins> sorry was just gaming thar
[23:43] <penguin42> daftykins: Yeh, it's just once in a couple of years you have to fight something rare and never really get the chance or time to get the detail - and you just want the button to press
[23:44] <daftykins> maps|wrk: my local webserver is just that basically, running a single wordpress instance on a VM atop my real file server, then a second dedicated VM just runs irssi :D
[23:45] <daftykins> maps|wrk: i have a VPS with bigv.io that holds a 3 or 4 websites too, but nothing special
[23:45] <daftykins> they are ubuntu server 10.04.4, ditto and debian respectively
[23:46] <daftykins> £10/mo for the bigv, single core with 25GB disk, 1GB RAM and 300GB/month traffic i think
[23:47] <maps|wrk> why a vm just for irssi and a vm just for apache?
[23:47] <maps|wrk> penguin42:  have you been?
[23:47] <penguin42> no
[23:48] <maps|wrk> ah ok
[23:48] <penguin42> I think we've got a few in Manc
[23:48] <maps|wrk> was hoping someone had and could tell me if its worth going to
[23:48] <maps|wrk> yep
[23:48] <daftykins> short answer: because i can :) got the file server running 24/7 already, so anything i want can go on top.
[23:48] <maps|wrk> going to united v hull on sat and was thinking about going to bem brasil rather than nandos;)
[23:48] <maps|wrk> qwhy not run it on the file server
[23:48] <daftykins> because it's Windows
[23:48] <daftykins> and VMs = ace
[23:48] <penguin42> daftykins: I really should move to bigv, I'm on their older (more expensive) VMs
[23:49] <daftykins> originally though i did the web server as an experiment into learning how, so not knowing how hard it would be to secure it against the wider world i segregated IRC as i didn't trust it running on the same instance
[23:49] <daftykins> i was new to both web admin and irssi at the time
[23:50] <maps|wrk> what you running?
[23:50] <daftykins> penguin42: a friend had VMs on the other, apparently they waive the fees if you want some time to transition smoothly
[23:50] <maps|wrk> apache here..i know people say nginx and lighthttpd are better pfft
[23:50] <maps|wrk> for my site it doesnt matter 1hit/week
[23:50] <maps|wrk> lol
[23:50] <daftykins> i heard of a few big advisories to do with nginx that were quite showstoppers, so not sure there
[23:51] <daftykins> given i've got so few sites on my bigv but it's showing as using 750MB still (RAM) even after tweaking instances i'd probably give lighttpd a spin
[23:51] <maps|wrk> what you using atm then apache?
[23:51] <daftykins> ja
[23:51] <maps|wrk> same
[23:51] <daftykins> i think these ubuntu 10.04.4 machines have 1 yr left of support, so at some point i need to rework them on 14.04 perhaps
[23:52] <daftykins> or maybe i'll go super masochistic and do a minimal debian of some variety
[23:52] <penguin42> daftykins: Yeh I should at some point; although I'm currently fighting bytemarks domain transfer thing (which seems entirely undocumented)
[23:52] <daftykins> ah :(
[23:52] <daftykins> not handling any domains through them
[23:52] <daftykins> +myself
[23:52] <daftykins> speaking of domains
[23:53] <daftykins> my Guernsey .gg needs renewing =|
[23:53] <daftykins> £45 / yr!
[23:53] <daftykins> they're such a rip-off
[23:53] <penguin42> ouch
[23:53] <penguin42> do they let you have e.gg ?
[23:53] <daftykins> i've been meaning to ask a local politician why a monopoly is allowed
[23:53] <maps|wrk> lol
[23:53] <maps|wrk> e.gg hah
[23:53] <daftykins> i think they have issues with anything two characters or below
[23:53] <daftykins> i once wanted wp.gg
[23:54] <penguin42> why?
[23:54] <daftykins> oh what - they're owned now!
[23:54] <daftykins> wp.gg forwards to some russian thing
[23:55] <daftykins> infiplay.ru
[23:55]  * penguin42 was looking for bu.gs the other day but someone already has it
[23:55] <daftykins> d'aww
[23:55] <maps|wrk> lol thats a cool one
[23:55] <maps|wrk> theres a whole loada new tlds coming tho penguin42
[23:55] <maps|wrk> http://www.willhill.com/ work for anyone?
[23:56] <daftykins> gah i wanted je.je too but that's owned now too
[23:56] <penguin42> yep
[23:56] <daftykins> www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com
[23:56] <daftykins> yep working
[23:56] <maps|wrk> doesnt work for me
[23:56] <maps|wrk> hmm
[23:56] <daftykins> what's your DNS?
[23:56] <ali1234> hey can anyone access www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com?
[23:56] <maps|wrk> no idea
[23:56] <maps|wrk> at work
[23:57] <ali1234>  /trolling
[23:57] <daftykins> ali1234: isitdownrightnow.com
[23:57] <daftykins> ;D


[01:27] <jrwren> cmaloney: end.find isn't a thing, but everything in ruby is an expression.
[01:27] <jrwren> the end is the end of the previous block expression.
[01:27] <jrwren> which happens to return a list/iterable, which is then .find being called.
[01:32] <cmaloney> Ah, that makes some sense
[01:32] <cmaloney> but the syntax is ugh. :)
[01:36] <jrwren> syntax only a rubyist could love.
[12:49] <cmaloney> morning
[12:57] <rick_h_> morning
[13:04] <jrwren> Good Morning.
[13:20] <_stink__> yo
[13:20] <Scary_Guy> yar
[15:49] <waldo323> good morning
[15:49] <waldo323> for a little bit longer
[17:12] <rick_h_> gah! /me stomps around and old man rants at "The problem with ... Time for a thread"
[17:12] <rick_h_> NO NO NO NO NO, I have something interesting thoughts to put down and share is NEVER "time for a thread"
[17:16] <brousch> What is the right time for a thread?
[17:21] <rick_h_> there is no such thing
[17:22] <rick_h_> seriously, a thread on twitter is what, seen across one day at most by folks? and then it's gone into the ether
[17:22] <rick_h_> and if it's interesting/thoughtful enough for a thread is it really meant to have a fruit fly life?
[17:40] <cmaloney> So blog about it. :)
[17:41] <cmaloney> And yes, I really hate when folks take to Twitter to string together 5+ thoughts into a Twitter thread.
[17:41] <rick_h_> I decided I'd rant in my safe place because clearly my opinion on it won't change anything
[17:41] <rick_h_> but it's nice to get it outside your head
[17:41] <cmaloney> Yeah, it's great for stream of conciousness
[17:41] <rick_h_> I deleted two different replies in twitter
[17:41] <cmaloney> but take those thoughts and put them into a blog post. :)
[17:42] <cmaloney> (assuming they're worth the trouble)
[17:42] <cmaloney> And if they're not worth the trouble then let them be ephemeral
[17:42] <rick_h_> heh, the blog post I'm working on is a reply to https://twitter.com/samuelclay/status/975921660258803712
[17:42] <rick_h_> that one bothers me so much
[17:43] <cmaloney> Oh FFS
[17:43] <rick_h_> it really bugs me on several levels and I have mad respect for Samuel
[17:43] <cmaloney> Go fart your way to work on your cloud of good intentions and smugness
[17:44] <cmaloney> and realize that humanity can fuck up at any time and you could trip on a crack and die
[17:44] <cmaloney> sorry, that came off rather strong
[17:45] <cmaloney> but I really love it when folks make not having a car a sign of privilege
[17:46] <cmaloney> Sorry that we live in Detroit and having a car is pretty much the only way to get anywhere in a reasonable timeperiod
[17:46] <rick_h_> that's one of the levels.  I'm really curious what that % really is.
[17:46] <cmaloney> I'd also ask how many Ubers, Lyfts, and cabs he's hailed in the past year
[17:46] <cmaloney> oh wait, if he's used Uber then I could probably get that data
[17:46] <cmaloney> :eyeroll:
[17:47] <cmaloney> sorry we don't have sherpas and rickshaws to cart our butts around
[17:48] <jrwren> lol.
[17:48] <jrwren> its not why I don't have a car, but look at the pic, the guy is amish. don't let religious views bother you.
[17:49] <rick_h_> I don't think he's amish. He's SFO the guy behind newsblur and such.  It's kind of a pain in the butt
[17:52] <cmaloney> but it's better than the other options and I enjoy being able to hop in the car and go where I want to go
[17:52] <jrwren> Ann Arbor 11.2% !!!   #31 on the list.  hehehehe
[17:52] <cmaloney> if someone came up with a better way to take my will to be somewhere and transport my butt from point A to point B with reasonable safety and low ethical cost I would be quite happy to ditch the car
[17:52] <cmaloney> and quickly
[17:52] <jrwren> working at home, it made NO SENSE for me to keep a car. I can take lyft or the bus and still spend less than I was on insurance alone for a paid off car.
[17:53] <cmaloney> Until then I'll burn dinosaur remnants
[17:53] <cmaloney> Totes
[17:53] <cmaloney> for a while we only had one car
[17:53] <cmaloney> then I started at Morpace and we had to get a second car
[17:53] <cmaloney> I didn't enjoy that
[17:53] <rick_h_> jrwren: how much stuff does your daughter have to do?
[17:54] <rick_h_> jrwren: that was what killed me when we had one car in the shop
[17:54] <jrwren> rick_h_: wife has a car.
[17:54] <jrwren> we never have a car in the shop.
[17:54] <rick_h_> was the kid stuff that had to be worked around for swim, shopping, soccer, etc
[17:54] <rick_h_> jrwren: so either I had to take my wife to work and back each day or we needed that second vehicle back
[17:54] <jrwren> gymnastics, girl scouts, those would be expensive lyft rides for sure, but still less than the cost of keeping a car.
[17:55] <rick_h_> but when she's rotating between hospital/office/etc she needs a way around
[17:55] <jrwren> Yeah, it is not for everyone for sure.
[17:55] <jrwren> I'm not trying to shame you or say, you should try this.
[17:55] <rick_h_> I guess that's the advantage of the lyft being in a more densely populated area
[17:55] <rick_h_> no, I'm generally curious as I know you have a kid and are pretty active in stuff
[17:55] <rick_h_> e.g. you seem to get around and post to instagram well enough, curious if that's all full family time or what
[17:55] <jrwren> yup, i'm never more than 2mi away from a lyft driver, and usually less than a mile.
[17:56] <jrwren> rick_h_: I've taken the bus to at least one of those games at crysler center that I posted to IG this year :)
[17:56] <rick_h_> I had thought about one day trying to be a one vehicle family
[17:56] <jrwren> but mostly it is full family time.
[17:57] <rick_h_> I think the big thing is less that it's cheaper but the time involved to organize 3rd party transit and the unknown on if you can get it or not
[17:57] <jrwren> You are dead on right re: kid stuff. My Kid's 2 best friends from school live outside of our school zone, they are school of choice, and so instead of being a 20min walk away at most, they are a 20min drive away :(
[17:57] <rick_h_> so we pay more for that second vehicle for predicability and more time at home vs managing the transit
[17:57] <rick_h_> yea
[17:58] <jrwren> yup, I worried that unknown was going to be an issue for me, but so far it hasn't been.
[17:58] <jrwren> But I can also walk home from downtown in about an hour, so it really is not an issue.
[17:58] <rick_h_> yea
[17:58] <rick_h_> that's where I'm curious what percent of the US population lives in a place large enough to do that
[17:58] <jrwren> and the bus stop is 1/8mi from here. I can hear the bus use its turn signal, sometimes even when the house is closed up and the air is right :)
[17:59] <rick_h_> lol
[17:59] <jrwren> It is a good question. I think you'd only need to know what % of US Population lives in areas with good public transit.
[18:00] <jrwren> IIRC most of USA population does NOT live in NYC, LA, Chi, Hou, Pho, Phily, SanAn, SD, Dallas, SanJose, Austin
[18:01] <jrwren> just looking at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population  I don't know about public transit in some of those top 10 cities, but when I visited Austin and Jax (admittedly a while ago now) they were NOT public transit cities, adn CBUS is #14 on taht list?  pffff... no way.
[18:01] <jrwren> sheesh I didn't realize cbus had grown so much!
[18:02] <jrwren> bigger than detroit by population now?!?
[18:03] <rick_h_> well not sure if it's grown or DTW has shrunk :)
[18:04] <jrwren> yes, i think I was misinformed on cbus size. I thought it was much smaller.
[18:08] <cmaloney> For those of us who aren't familiar with acronyms: CBUS=?
[18:09] <cmaloney> Ah, Columbus
[18:09] <cmaloney> yeah Columbus is hopping
[20:01] <brousch> cmaloney: Mastodon is getting some press due to the latest Facebook scandal
[20:10] <Scary_Guy> good
[21:29] <Scary_Guy> https://asciinema.org this seems useful
[22:57] <cmaloney> brousch: Awesome. :)


[02:00] <Torikun> hello
[18:32] <clifter> Is Pipelight a good alternative to use to play Netflix in Chromuim ?
[18:46] <raevol> anyone know what the difference is between apt-cacher and apt-cacher-ng ?
[18:54] <pleia2> "Apt-Cacher NG has been designed from scratch as a replacement for apt-cacher, but with a focus on maximizing throughput with low system resource requirements."
[18:54] <pleia2> so, seems NG is slimmer
[18:59] <raevol> ah nice, ok
[18:59] <raevol> you also have to configure your clients to proxy their updates through apt-cacher, i am wondering if i can get my router to just re-route all update traffic to the cacher, except for the cacher itself