[16:52] <BLZbubba> hey there, how difficult would it be for upstart to have a debug mode where the user would get a "yes/no" prompt for every possible configured service, instead of using the event system?
[19:27] <gnutun> hey all; how can i get access to a job's output?
[20:20] <marrusl> BLZbubba, there was some discussion at the last UDS about implementing an optional serialized boot.  Not sure where that proposal is at though.
[21:22] <dlibanori> hi guys, is it safe to use "start on started rc" to starts a service after postgresql?
[21:23] <pmjdebruijn> dlibanori: don't you want start on stopped rc?
[21:23] <dlibanori> rc is a task?
[21:23] <pmjdebruijn> dlibanori: in any case, I'd highly recommend testing it in a VM
[21:23] <pmjdebruijn> dlibanori: I'm not 100%
[21:24] <dlibanori> pmjdebruijn: yes, it is a task
[21:24] <pmjdebruijn> again
[21:24] <pmjdebruijn> be careful with this
[21:24] <dlibanori> pmjdebruijn: at Ubuntu 11.04 it is a task
[21:24] <dlibanori> pmjdebruijn: why?
[21:24] <pmjdebruijn> we usually test stuff out of band
[21:25] <pmjdebruijn> dlibanori: why not?
[21:25] <pmjdebruijn> we've had some changes only bite me @ shutdown
[21:25] <pmjdebruijn> for examples
[21:25] <dlibanori> pmjdebruijn: ok, this is lab machine, no problems if it stop to boot
[21:25] <pmjdebruijn> ah ok
[21:27] <dlibanori> why Ubuntu doesn't use upstart to control postgresql? It still uses SysV
[21:28] <pmjdebruijn> lot of packages are inherented from debian
[21:28] <pmjdebruijn> who don't use upstart by default
[21:28] <pmjdebruijn> at least that's my guess
[22:05] <JanC> it takes time to convert init scripts to upstart jobs, especially for more complicated/important daemons
[22:06] <JanC> convert + test, obviously
[22:30] <dlibanori> Thanks pmjdebruijn and JanC


[00:27] <S-USA> 13.10 looks even more awesome than 12.10 was!
[03:53] <chris__> just updated to 13.10 now all my games stutter real bad. didnt have this problem on 13.o4. Ive tried the diffrent nvidia prop. drivers its always the same how can i fix this??
[03:53] <holstein> what games?
[03:54] <chris__> all my games through wine.. dmc4 farcry 2.. dolphin emulator... pcxs2.. everything that is harware acc.
[03:56] <chris__> all my settings through xorg are the same.. the games will play for about 30 seconds then freeze for a second or 2. then act like its in fast forward for a sec till it catches up.. then it will play for 15 seconds then repeat all over again
[03:56] <holstein> the last thing i want to do is be combatitive, but, wine support is generally hit and miss
[03:56] <holstein> if you have a scenario back at 12.04 LTS that is working for you, i would just stay there
[03:57] <holstein> there is nothing about ubuntustudio in particular that we do to break, or even support or facilitate this functionality
[03:57] <holstein> you can go to #ubuntu or maybe #xubuntu.. i can suggest just normal troubleshooting steps
[03:58] <holstein> for me, and my wine apps i used, they would typically break or be "different" after upgrading.. i have since worked out not relying on any code that is not native
[03:58] <chris__> I understand that, but if it worked on 13.04 i figured it would work on 13.10. and its not just wine. Dolphin and pcsx2 are linux..
[03:58] <holstein> chris__: you can "figure" it will work.. it either does or doesnt, and unfortunately, the folks who can provide you excellent support with native code are not
[03:59] <holstein> chris__: you might have better luck with the commercial wine offering, but i didnt
[04:00] <holstein> chris__: these days, i try the open nouvea driver as well
[04:02] <chris__> could it be kernal related??
[04:03] <chris__> its not just wine thats been effected also linux games that rely on opengl
[04:04] <holstein> chris__: sure, but the kernel wont be able to cater to windows code like that
[04:05] <holstein> chris__: and the windows code is for windows.. not wine and the linux kernel.. its really just hit and miss, and if games like that are mission critical for you (which is totally understandable..
[04:06] <holstein> you might want to find one that works and stay on it, like 12.04 LTS.. and also, get with the larger ubuntu community, since this niche is more about content creation
[04:07] <holstein> you are welcome to hang here, and ask what you like, and you might get help.. but, this is not necessarily ubuntustudio specific, and i feel your best bet is main #ubuntu or the wine channel
[04:07] <holstein> chris__: could very well be something to do with the driver from nvidia as well, though, the support for those typically are getting better
[04:10] <chris__> that and the driver worked on 13.04. I love ubuntu studio.. the reason I use it is for the photo and video programs.. I just wish i could figure out why I canr play any of my games now.. even the ones down loaded from ununtu software center are stuttering now
[04:10] <chris__> thanks for the help
[04:10] <OvenWerks> chris__: you can choose which ever ubuntu does work for you and just add those programs
[04:11] <holstein> chris__: ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu
[04:12] <OvenWerks> ubuntustudio-installer will help you install the workflow you want.
[04:12] <holstein> chris__: what im saying is, if the proprietary drivers and apps you are using are breaking when you upgrade, consider the LTS..
[04:13] <chris__> K. thanks.. Ill probably just revert to 13.04. was just hoping someone else ran into this and there was a quick fix.. thanks
[04:14] <OvenWerks> that works too
[04:14] <holstein> chris__: you should consider reverting to 12.04.. 13.04 is eol in 3 months
[04:14] <holstein> !13.04
[04:14] <holstein> 12.04 is EOL april of 2017 AFAIK
[04:15] <chris__> one last quick question.. I understand ubuntu studio is ubuntu just like xubuntu and edubuntu... on and on... does ubuntustudio 13.10 use the same kernel as ubuntu 13.10??
[04:15] <OvenWerks> yes.
[04:15] <holstein> OvenWerks: there is a generic kernel though? correct?
[04:16] <OvenWerks> There is one or two config options that are different.
[04:16] <OvenWerks> It is possible to install generic as well though.
[04:16] <holstein> chris__: wont hurt to try the actual generic from main ubuntu.. though, the support should be the same
[04:16] <chris__> can i keep ubuntu studio 13.10 and revert the kernel back to the kernel used by 13.04??
[04:17] <holstein> chris__: you can do literally whatever you want
[04:17] <holstein> chris__: you can "dual boot" kernels or desktop environments.. or OS's.. whatever you want
[04:17] <chris__> no i cant.. lol.. still learning linux.. have only compiled and installed a few thigs..
[04:18] <holstein> chris__: actually, you havent learned how, or whatever. but you *can*
[04:18] <holstein> chris__: this is nothing like compiling.. for this, you can basically open the package manager of your choice (something GUI like synaptic) and search "generic"
[04:18] <OvenWerks> I have not had problems with using an older kernel.
[04:19] <chris__> may research reverting kernel instead of having to backup files and downgrade to 13.04.
[04:19] <holstein> you'll choose what kernel you want to boot at boot time from grub
[04:19] <holstein> chris__: dont "revert" any kernel.. just install the generic one, and keep the lowlatency one in place
[04:19] <OvenWerks> It may be that nvidia only supports release kernels... 3.10 3.12 but not 3.11
[04:19] <holstein> chris__: test with the generic one.. then consider 12.04, since 13.04 is nearly EOL
[04:20] <holstein> chris__: you can refer to the steam docs and use the PPA they suggest as well for different drivers
[04:20] <holstein> !steam
[04:21] <OvenWerks> 13.04 was 3.8, so a release kernel. 3.11 would be considered "alpha"
[04:21] <chris__> If I do go 12.04 is ubuntu studio available or will i have to install ubuntu and all stuff seperate??
[04:21] <OvenWerks> there is  ubuntustudio 12.04
[04:22] <holstein> before reverting anything or reinstalling, id try the PPA for the testing nvidia drivers or newer different ones.. then, id try a generic kernel.. then, id try a kernel from 13.04 in 13.10
[04:23] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/186437/are-there-any-differences-in-graphics-drivers-from-the-x-swat-vs-xorg-edgers
[04:24] <chris__> the kernel from 13.04 wont break anything on 13.10??
[04:24] <holstein> chris__: i didnt say that.. i gave basically an order of what i would test with
[04:25] <holstein> chris__: before i reinstalled, i would test that, since, that wont break anything permanantly, and i know how to boot that kernel without removing any others, and revert
[04:26] <chris__> Ok thanks for the help.. going to hop off here its getting into morning hours here... thanks again
[04:26] <holstein> chris__: good luck!
[15:01] <S-USA> Why does 13.10 have BOTH a linux-generic kernel and a linux-lowlatency kernel?
[15:24] <smartboyhw> S-USA, wait, you mean in the image?
[15:25] <smartboyhw> We have both such kernels in the archive since at least 2 years ago
[15:25] <smartboyhw> -lowlatency is a kernel specialized for audio usage
[15:37] <S-USA> smartboyhw: Hmm... Yeah, in the image... just interesting... but I guess if you wanted to run an audio session the -lowlatency would be a good thing
[15:38] <smartboyhw> S-USA, in the image? I'm not seeing that.
[15:38] <smartboyhw> (I mean, both)
[15:39] <S-USA> smartboyhw: I don't either... Oh, duh! Boot Repair did that!
[15:39]  * S-USA facepalms
[15:39] <smartboyhw> -.-
[15:40] <S-USA> UEFI PC problems
[15:41] <smartboyhw> S-USA, ah yeah, linux-lowlatency doesn't support UEFI.
[15:42] <S-USA> grub-efi does, however. That's how we get around it, really :)
[15:50] <SonikkuAmerica> smartboyhw: So does that mean we can't use Ubuntu Studio on Jedi PCs?
[15:51] <SonikkuAmerica> s/Jedi/UEFI/
[15:51] <smartboyhw> SonikkuAmerica, sort of
[15:51] <SonikkuAmerica> ... Or I should rephrase... We can only use it in legacy mode?
[15:52] <smartboyhw> SonikkuAmerica, yes
[15:53] <SonikkuAmerica> >sigh< Well that's a problem... I have Windows 8.1 in UEFI mode...
[15:54] <smartboyhw> uh
[15:55] <SonikkuAmerica> ... Heh heh... Guess I have a problem then.
[15:56] <SonikkuAmerica> So I guess what I should do is get another Ubuntu flavor and try the ubuntustudio-installer package?
[15:57] <smartboyhw> SonikkuAmerica, well, it's the problem with the kernel we ship
[15:57] <smartboyhw> linux-lowlatency kernel can't run on UEFI
[15:58] <smartboyhw> So, you can use Ubuntu Studio by the method you said, but you'll be sacrificing lowlatency.
[15:58] <SonikkuAmerica> Right. Somehow the Live image was able to boot and run though using that kernel... That remains a mystery.
[15:59] <smartboyhw> SonikkuAmerica, hmm?
[15:59] <smartboyhw> interesting
[15:59] <smartboyhw> The live image should be able to boot
[15:59] <smartboyhw> Post-installation is a mystery
[16:00] <SonikkuAmerica> Using the grub prompt to "boot," dmesg is looping
[16:01] <SonikkuAmerica> I'm guessing I should expect that
[16:03] <SonikkuAmerica> Well, UEFI is the future, but I guess we're stuck until the -lowlatency kernel supports UEFI booting.
[16:04] <smartboyhw> SonikkuAmerica, I have pinged zequence on this matter, he is our -lowlatency kernel maintainer.
[16:05] <SonikkuAmerica> Excellent. For the time being, there seems to be a way to convert a Windows partition to MBR from GPT via diskmgmt.msc
[16:33] <zequence> SonikkuAmerica: We'll get a signed kernel for 14.04
[16:34] <SonikkuAmerica> zequence: Yay! But Secure Boot isn't necessarily the problem,
[16:34] <zequence> 12.04.4 should have one as well, hopefully
[16:34] <SonikkuAmerica> ...wait
[16:34] <zequence> UEFI is not the problem anyhow.
[16:35] <zequence> UEFI != secure boot
[16:37] <SonikkuAmerica> Wow, I'm dumb... I realized I did my Linux line wrong... I wrote (hd0,gpt4) instead of /dev/sda4 for root=
[16:37] <SonikkuAmerica> However, I don't appreciate Studio booting to a grub prompt
[16:37] <SonikkuAmerica> But yes, a signed kernel would be nice.
[16:38] <SonikkuAmerica> What I need is a GRUB2 boot menu
[16:38] <SonikkuAmerica> One second... Gotta get lunch
[16:44] <zequence> A signed kernel will allow you to use the secure boof functionality, but you can still make any kernel work with UEFI
[16:44] <zequence> I've only done a UEFI installation once. Debian
[16:45] <zequence> It's a bit akward, when you're not used to it
[16:45] <zequence> Since you need a special UEFI partition
[16:51] <SonikkuAmerica> Have I lost my marbles yet? :)
[16:52] <SonikkuAmerica> But yeah, I need the GRUB2 bootloader menu back (I keep getting a GRUB prompt at boot)
[16:53] <SonikkuAmerica> One second...
[17:51] <KonepHUK> Привет всем! Hi all!
[17:52] <KonepHUK> Are you from?
[17:54] <KonepHUK> I'm from Samara. Russia.
[18:27] <KonepHUK> Aargh
[18:44] <SonikkuAmerica> I've tried everything, and GRUB still doesn't recognize grub.cfg to load the menu
[19:12] <coppa> Hi there sorry to annoy, is there any one who can help on error : "trying to overwrite '/etc/console-setup/compose.ISO-8859-13.inc', which is also in package console-setup 1.88"  same q as http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2173433 with no answer yet
[19:13] <coppa> thx...
[19:13] <coppa> installing from usbdrive ubuntu studio 13
[20:18] <Unit193> coppa: What packages name is right above that line?  Did you try 13.10 yet?
[20:40] <SonikkuAmerica> Giving up and using Boot Repair. Hoping for the best. Thanks for the help!
[20:44] <FabKzo> hi
[20:44] <FabKzo> has anyone had problems with nvidia drivers after upgrading to 13.10?
[20:55] <Unit193> SonikkuAmerica: Not likely to help, but may be worth a shot to move /etc/grub.d/09_* out of there and re-gen the menu?
[20:55] <Unit193> funkyHat: On them now, but using 304 because of older hardware.
[20:56] <Unit193> funkyHat: Sorry, I done did a stupid with my tab complete.
[20:56] <SonikkuAmerica> Unit193: That would throw the -lowlatency away, wouldn't it? There's an 09_lowlatency entry in there!
[20:57] <Unit193> No, that's a new thing only to UbuntuStudio that makes sure lowlat kernels are listed first.  I don't see that being the issue, but who knows.
[21:03] <SonikkuAmerica> Guess it's worth a shot then
[21:05] <coppa> Unit193: thx yes it is 13.10, i did not remember the line before the issue and thus installing again ...
[21:10] <SonikkuAmerica> Unit193: No good, but I was able to make the menu show up after setting root to the Ubuntu partition and loading /boot/grub/grub.cfg using configfile...
[21:12] <SonikkuAmerica> Unit193: I also ran [ sudo grub-probe -t device /boot/grub ] and it seems to be installed to /dev/sda4 (my Ubuntu partition), but I told it at install time to install to /dev/sda ....
[21:15] <SonikkuAmerica> I seem to also have discovered that the Ubuntu partition symlinks the EFI partition at the mount point /boot/efi as well.


[20:42] <serfus> hey folks, i saw in a couple of wiki docs this line "/msg chanserv FLAGS <CHANNEL> UbuntuIRCCouncil +votiA"
[20:42] <serfus> how would that work?
[20:42] <serfus> it's not a nickname nor a host, right?
[20:43] <erUSUL> i think it is a nick
[20:45] <DJones> Yep, its a registered nick
[20:45] <Pici> Its an account that only the IRC Council members have access to.  We change the password as people leave the council.
[20:45] <serfus> hum.. okay! that's solve it :)
[21:24] <ubot2> In #ubuntu-bugs, charlie-tca said: !no, !triage is Triage means there should be enough info for the developers to start working on it, when they can.
[21:26] <charlie-tca> umm, that is wrong
[21:27] <charlie-tca> !no, !triage is Triage means there should be enough information for the developers to start working on your bug, when they have time.
[21:28] <guntbert> !triage
[21:29] <guntbert> charlie-tca: the factoid triage doesn't exist, so essentially no need for !no :-)
[21:29] <charlie-tca> Oh
[21:30] <charlie-tca> I did not know that part
[21:30] <charlie-tca> Can we get it added, though?
[21:32] <guntbert> charlie-tca: did you get an answer from ubottu ? if not then use the following format !triage is <reply> Triage is ....
[21:32] <charlie-tca> no, no answer. Thanks
[21:32] <guntbert> charlie-tca: see http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins#Adding_a_factoid
[21:33] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[21:33] <guntbert> you're welcome :-)
[21:35] <ubot2> In #ubuntu-bugs, charlie-tca said: !triage is <reply> Triage is there should be enough information for the developers to start working on your bug, when they have time.
[21:36] <charlie-tca> it forwarded my request


[23:57] <mwhudson> $ snapcraft close go 1.15/candidate
[23:57] <mwhudson> Could not close channel: The request's content type must be 'application/json'
[23:57] <mwhudson> whisky tango etc


[07:51] <dholbach> good morning
[08:21] <svij> morning
[08:26] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[08:29] <dpm> morning all
[08:36] <dholbach> salut mes amis
[09:06] <czajkowski> aloha
[13:49] <mhall119> good morning
[13:52] <mhall119> dpm: I'm glad you still had all the speaker images from ubucon.org
[13:53] <mhall119> dpm: can you add them to http://ubucon.org/en/events/ubucon-summit-us/speakers/ as well?
[13:54] <dpm> mhall119, yeah, I'm doing it right now. Thanks a lot for uploading the pages yesterday.
[13:55] <dpm> mhall119, where did you find this image? http://ubucon.org/media/cms_page_media/3/ubuntu-community_qobU7dv.png - I remember creating it, but I can't find the higher resolution version
[14:00] <mhall119> dpm: I created it yesterday, I couldn't remember what was used there previously and wanted to put something there before the DNS change happened
[14:02] <dpm> mhall119, ah, gotcha. In that case, I found the original image and put it back on the front page. Now I remember the round picture I created was another one: the one with the ubuntu banner in the speakers grid
[14:02] <dpm> mhall119, I noticed the sponsors page is marked as BLOCKED in the etherpad - couldn't we recover a cached version?
[14:17] <mhall119> dpm: no, unfortunately we couldn't
[14:17] <mhall119> however, dholbach was telling me about this include plugin he found for django CMS which I think we can use on that page to pull in sponsors from the next event
[14:18] <dholbach> mhall119, https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/developer-ubuntu-com/add-inherit-plugin/+merge/286622
[14:22] <dpm> mhall119, argh :/. In any case, I've just finished recovering http://ubucon.org/en/events/ubucon-summit-us/speakers
[14:23] <dpm> Good thing I still had the images locally
[14:26] <mhall119> yeah, I didn't have the sponsors images locally anymore, I had to find where I got them all from
[15:19]  * popey waves from Nuremberg airport
[15:20]  * dholbach hugs popey
[15:20] <dholbach> safe travels!
[15:20] <popey> Thanks :)
[16:55] <jono> dpm, hey, are we good to chat in 5?
[16:55] <dpm> jono, sure
[16:55] <jono> dpm, rocking
[17:00] <jono> dpm, just lob me a link when you are ready
[17:00] <dpm> ok, omw
[18:06]  * dholbach calls it a day - have a good one everyone!


[19:18] <guitarman> anyone have issues with kdenlive crashing regularly on ubuntu studio?
[19:18] <guitarman> on ubu8ntu studio 22.04
[19:18] <guitarman> kdenlive version 21.12.3
[19:19] <guitarman> seems to happen with big proxy clips
[19:20] <guitarman> ah that's an older version i notice, i'll see if i can find a more current version.
[19:21] <guitarman> installing the snap package, hopefully that's better
[19:21] <Eickmeyer> guitarman: Check release notes for how to get a newer version.
[19:22] <guitarman> checking
[19:24] <Eickmeyer> guitarman: Sorry, release announcement.
[19:24] <Eickmeyer> https://ubuntustudio.org/2022/04/ubuntu-studio-22-04-lts-released/
[19:25] <guitarman> Eickmeyer: are you suggestion i add the backkports for kubuntu and ubuntu studio
[19:25] <guitarman> i didn't see kdenlive in the post
[19:25] <Eickmeyer> guitarman: Why not both?
[19:26] <guitarman> Eickmeyer: do you feel an ubuntu studio user should upgrade each release or lts only
[19:26] <guitarman> i know being on 22.04 is older
[19:26] <guitarman> i can enable both
[19:26] <Eickmeyer> Adding a backport PPA doesn't preclude LTS.
[19:26] <guitarman> no i'm just asking
[19:26] <guitarman> 2 questions
[19:27] <guitarman> 1. should i be upgrading ubuntu studio each release (maybe this is dependent on my believe that the lts is more stable)
[19:27] <guitarman> 2. if i stay on my version, are you recommending adding the 2 ppas
[19:27] <guitarman> sorry rather add backpor4ts to both kde and backports repo
[19:28] <Eickmeyer> Ok, first of all, your idea of "stable" is flawed. If you think "stable" is bug-free, that's a poor notion because there's no such thing. Stable just means not as many updates.
[19:28] <guitarman> the theory is less updates means less to go wrong
[19:28] <guitarman> i know bug free is impossible
[19:28] <Eickmeyer> Again, that's based on a poor notion.
[19:29] <guitarman> interesting
[19:29] <guitarman> well i know i had breakage on arch that i didn't have on debian stable
[19:29] <guitarman> +
[19:30] <Eickmeyer> The reason "Debian Stable" is "Stable" is because it receives next to no updates, but they put it through the wringer to make sure it's as bug free as possible. Ubuntu has no equivalent.
[19:30] <arraybolt3> If you like to not reinstall or do risky upgrades frequently, staying on LTS would be a good idea.
[19:30] <Eickmeyer> LTS is long-term support meaning it continuously receives updates, but that doesn't mean it's "stable' in the same sense.
[19:31] <Eickmeyer> It just means you don't have to upgrade every six momths.
[19:31] <guitarman> interesting.  ok this is a new way of thinking for me
[19:32] <Eickmeyer> The problem with LTS, though, is some things don't receive updates and remain with bugs that you'll live with until the next LTS.
[19:33] <guitarman> Eickmeyer: i'll stay current knowing all this
[19:34] <Eickmeyer> guitarman: This is why those backports PPAs exist so that you can receive those updates. You gave the version of Kdenlive, and I know for a fact it's some bugfixes behind what's in the Kubuntu PPA.
[19:34] <guitarman> Eickmeyer: fair enough
[19:35] <Eickmeyer> The Ubuntu Studio backports will be sunset in favor of an official Ubuntu backports repository for the next LTS.
[19:37] <Eickmeyer> guitarman: The thing is, I didn't want to just hand you the answer because that's not my job. Only you can decide for yourself what's best for you.
[19:37] <guitarman> Eickmeyer: I'd like the latest stuff, i'm upgrading right now as we speak
[19:38] <Eickmeyer> ok
[19:38] <guitarman> Eickmeyer: to be honest my system isn't that stable anyways
[19:38] <guitarman> firefox or virtualbox hang my desktop regularly
[19:38] <guitarman> my scarllet interface stops working after a while and i have to replug the usb in
[19:38] <guitarman> so somethings off
[19:38] <guitarman> as in, it can't get much worse hopefully lol
[23:07] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I noticed on both of my systems that when I did the last install they did not pick up the swap partitions automatically. The default used to be that if there was a swap partition it would get detected and used.
[23:08] <OvenWerks> I can understand this could cause problems in some cases.
[23:09] <OvenWerks> I don't know how easy it would be but the installer could ask: "swap partitions found, select any partition below if you want this install to use it."
[23:11] <OvenWerks> It apears this was some of my problems with FF locking up or crashing because sinse I added the swap partition to fstab I have not had that happen any more.
[23:13] <OvenWerks> It could be that in the past I did select a swap partition but was surprised when it was also using an older swap partion as well.


[07:39] <dholbach> good morning
[09:55] <YoBoY> where you can find ubuntu-fr locoteam in summer : http://vimeo.com/58307129 (don't miss the end :D)
[09:55] <YoBoY> hi
[15:16] <OZUNU> i got a question
[15:18] <OZUNU> is there anybpdy to help me?
[15:18] <OZUNU> is there anybody to help me?
[15:19] <JanC> OZUNU: what do you need help with?
[15:23] <OZUNU> thanks, i am from costa rica and i have been searching for a loco team to support but i could not find any here so
[15:24] <OZUNU> i wanna know how i can help to others teams like this...
[15:25] <JanC> You can start a Costa-Rican locoteam yourself  ☺
[15:27] <OZUNU> which are the requirements i need to create one?
[15:28] <JanC> and there is of course also the Spanish language community (Spanish language forums, etc.)
[15:29] <JanC> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto
[15:31] <OZUNU> is my english too bad?
[15:32] <JanC> OZUNU: your English seems okay to me
[15:32] <OZUNU> lol thanks
[15:32] <OZUNU> and tell me something
[15:32] <OZUNU> what the loco teams do?
[15:33] <JanC> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto#Things_your_LoCo_can_do  ☺
[15:34] <JanC> for example, we will have a booth at an open source developer conference next weekend
[15:39] <OZUNU> but who are the developers or how is it?
[15:41] <JanC> FOSDEM http://fosdem.org/ is a general open source developer conference, with developers from all over the world coming to Brussels, and we do the Ubuntu booth there (there will also be Ubuntu developers & contributors elsewhere at the conference, of course)
[15:42] <JanC> but something like that probably doesn't exist (yet) in Costa Rica?
[15:42] <JanC> you can do promotion of Ubuntu in other places
[15:42] <JanC> we did it at computer sales fairs and other places
[15:43] <OZUNU> here we dont have something like that, my idea is to show to everybody in here that free software is wonderful
[15:43] <OZUNU> and show them ubuntu
[15:43] <OZUNU> how it works and how this OS improve our lives
[15:43] <JanC> or you can just go to the local market and show the people who come to the market
[15:44] <JanC> or you can try to convince the local press to write about it
[15:45] <JanC> there are some other ideas on the wiki page I referred to
[15:45] <OZUNU> i fix computers and things like that and y try to make people use ubuntu but this has been difficult because noone want to leave microsoft
[15:45] <OZUNU> that is why i want to
[15:49] <JanC> OZUNU: I think the first thing to do is probably to find some people who can help you, and try to find a way to make Ubuntu better known in Costa Rica
[15:49] <JanC> maybe some students or so
[15:49] <OZUNU> that is why i want to make loco team
[15:52] <OZUNU> i will do so, i will look for some people to help me with my idea.
[15:52] <JanC> OZUNU: maybe the people from #gulcr can help?
[15:53] <JanC> and maybe there are Mozilla / LibreOffice groups in Costa Rica too
[15:55] <JanC> hm, apparently, there already is a Costa Rica locoteam?
[15:55] <JanC> or was?
[15:55] <JanC> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cr
[15:56] <JanC> #ubuntu-centroamerica doesn't seem too active though...   :-(
[16:00] <JanC> OZUNU: seems like https://launchpad.net/~elopio works for Canonical and is from Costa Rica
[16:01] <JanC> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-cr
[16:06] <OZUNU> send me the link please of the team you found
[16:07] <OZUNU> im in my job


[15:43] <jose> czajkowski: no local db atm, neo4j at the backend
[16:36] <czajkowski> jose: thanks
[17:55] <pleia2> can someone add metalbiker to the team that exists for editing the wikis?
[17:55] <pleia2> (new member of the California LoCo, needs to be able to edit team stuff)
[17:57] <pleia2> I also noticed that the only place that tells you what team to join is the footer on the help wiki, not sure how people coming to wiki.ubuntu.com are supposed to know they can't edit anything w/o joining that team
[19:07] <ahoneybun> that is a big list of proposed members there pleia2
[19:07] <ahoneybun> popey: ^
[20:20] <popey> pleia2: done
[20:24] <popey> added instructions to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpForBeginners and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnEditing
[20:28] <pleia2> thanks :)
[20:29] <popey> lemme know if there's anywhere else which seems sane to put it
[20:32] <pleia2> having it in the footer of help.ubuntu.com/community pages was nice, but it's a bit harder to edit that
[20:32] <pleia2> probably a note on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ would be nice
[20:34] <popey> On the front page?
[20:35] <pleia2> yeah
[20:35] <pleia2> could just link to one of the pages you mentioned up ther e^
[20:37] <popey> actually the "Help" link at the top explains it by linking to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpContents
[20:38] <pleia2> oh good :)


[01:50] <blackboxsw> hi folks, I've just started seeing failures based on the systemd triggered auto-update of installed snaps
[01:52] <blackboxsw>  cannot refresh snap-declaration for "<mysnap>": Get https://assertions.ubuntu.com/v1/assertions/snap-declaration/16/<myid>: dial tcp: lookup assertions.ubuntu.com on <IP_ADDRESS>:53: server misbehaving
[01:52] <blackboxsw> have we changed something with the snap store recently that could cause some of the snap auto-refresh services to fall over?
[03:46] <mup> PR snapd#2166 opened: snap: stop using ubuntu-core-launcher, use snap-confine <Created by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2166>
[03:47] <mup> PR snapd#2163 closed: debian: update dependency of ubuntu-core-launcher to snap-confine <Created by mvo5> <Closed by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2163>
[03:57] <dr1337> hey guys, anyone know where the snappy builder repos are being pulled from?
[03:57] <dr1337> like this one ? https://github.com/alexgg/ccimx6sbc-snappy
[04:08] <qengho> blackboxsw: No idea, without looking in source code.
[04:13] <blackboxsw> qengho, no worries, it seems intermittent
[04:13] <blackboxsw> I've seen many clients already update our snap via the auto-refresh mechanism.
[04:13] <blackboxsw> so I don't know if it was a temporary 404 of some content during a rollout
[04:24] <dr1337> Does anybody know what SNAP_CONTEXT environmental variable is for?
[04:46] <qengho> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=SNAP_CONTEXT
[05:15] <mup> PR snapd#2165 closed: snap: stop using ubuntu-core-launcher, use snap-confine <Created by mvo5> <Merged by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2165>
[05:15] <mup> PR snapd#2166 closed: snap: stop using ubuntu-core-launcher, use snap-confine <Created by niemeyer> <Merged by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2166>
[05:23] <zyga> jdstrand: https://github.com/snapcore/snap-confine/pull/172/files
[05:23] <mup> PR snap-confine#172: Improve decoding of mount flags <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snap-confine/pull/172>
[05:24] <zyga> jdstrand: https://github.com/snapcore/snap-confine/pull/172/files
[05:24] <zyga> oh, sorry
[05:29] <jdstrand> zyga: heh, nice :)
[05:30] <jdstrand> I'm not going to review it right this second as I want to be more awake for the review, but added to my list
[05:35] <dr1337> qengho: thanks
[05:45] <mup> Bug #1621525 changed: classic environment variables for daemon snaps <Snappy:Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1621525>
[06:33] <ogra_> cjwatson, did some LP branch land last night or did the store change .... ?
[06:33] <ogra_> Launchpad uploaded this snap package to the store, but the store failed to
[06:33] <ogra_> scan it:
[06:33] <ogra_>   __all__: The upload does not appear to be a valid package.
[06:33] <ogra_> https://launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/+snap/core/+build/7240
[06:33] <ogra_> gotthat for all core and ubuntu-core builds tonight ...
[07:06] <cjwatson> ogra_: src/devportal/clickapp_forms.py:            msg = _("The upload does not appear to be a valid package.")
[07:06] <cjwatson> ogra_: so this is an SCA problem I'll bet
[07:09] <cjwatson> last SCA rollout was Friday though
[07:09] <cjwatson> and this succeeded yesterday
[07:10] <ogra_> cjwatson, yeah, weird ... i spoke to cprov when smoking about it
[07:11] <ogra_> he is taking a look now
[07:13] <cjwatson> ogra_: could yet be that we're sending the wrong data in the form, but the "__all__" smells of a bug on the SCA side to me
[07:14] <ogra_> yeah, smells like it mis-takes the architecture for the name or some such
[07:18] <cjwatson> ogra_: I don't think that's architecture, I think that's more like the __all__ special name in Python
[07:18] <cjwatson> given the double underscores
[07:18] <ogra_> hmm, yeah, or that :)
[07:19] <cjwatson> but there is no good reason for that to leak into error messages absent a bug :)
[07:24] <mup> PR snapd#2167 opened: Do not remove seed <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2167>
[07:41] <kyrofa> enoch85, you trying to reach me?
[08:01] <mup> PR snapd#2168 opened: snap/squashfs: try to hard link instead of copying. Also, switch to osutil.CopyFile for cp invocation <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2168>
[08:29] <zyga> jdstrand: hey, can you please ack and land https://github.com/snapcore/snap-confine/pull/172
[08:29] <mup> PR snap-confine#172: Improve decoding of mount flags <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snap-confine/pull/172>
[08:30] <zyga> Pharaoh_Atem: hey
[08:31] <zyga> Pharaoh_Atem: can you perhaps get into the xdistro room if you are not in a session now
[08:40] <dr1337> ogra_ is the system-a and system-b partition structure with writable still apply to the /snap partition structure?
[08:40] <dr1337> what about /var/snap ?
[08:47] <ogra_> dr1337, thats dead since 15.04
[08:47] <dr1337> :/
[08:48] <dr1337> ogra_ where's the new documentation?
[08:49] <mup> PR snapcraft#777 closed: go plugin: don't put debugging symbols in generated binaries <Created by teknoraver> <Closed by teknoraver> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/777>
[08:54] <cprov> ogra_: other LP built snaps are working fine, including store release. Come by, when you have time, so we can take a closer look on what's going on and how to improve the error message.
[09:04] <cjwatson> ogra_,cprov: c-r-t passes on that snap, at least; I wonder if the scan data is nonsense
[09:06] <cprov> cjwatson: what's the LP snap url ?
[09:07] <cjwatson> cprov: https://launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/+snap/core/+build/7241
[09:07] <cjwatson> cprov: well, ogra_ reported https://launchpad.net/~snappy-dev/+snap/core/+build/7240, but either way
[09:08] <cprov> cjwatson: yeah, same error
[09:09] <ogra_> yeah, i got a whole set of ten snaps that exposed it
[09:11] <cprov> cjwatson: the error is indeed coming from the store, src/devportal/clickapp_forms.py :-/
[09:11] <cjwatson> cprov: William pointed out that the __all__ bit probably means it's a django form-global error
[09:12] <cjwatson> was anything deployed yesterday?  CUD say?
[09:12] <cprov> cjwatson: which seems to be accurate.
[09:18] <Son_Goku> zyga: it begins... https://github.com/Conan-Kudo/snapcraft/commit/c960914b97440e2dca7a66c22c07438d809590fc
[09:24] <cjwatson> ogra_: the failure is because /var/lib/snapd/void changed from mode 0700 to mode 0000
[09:24] <cjwatson> ogra_: this appears to crash the review tools
[09:24] <ogra_> woah
[09:24] <ogra_> thats mvo'S fault then i guess. he changed something regarding the writable paths yesterday that could cause this
[09:26] <ogra_> hmm, he says it must be the review tools
[09:26] <cjwatson> the same version of the review tools seem to work for me
[09:26] <ogra_> with 0700 you mean ?
[09:26] <cjwatson> with 0000
[09:27] <ogra_> hmm, so why dont they work in the store then
[09:27] <cjwatson> but I don't know SCA well enough, maybe there's some confinement going on or something
[09:27] <ogra_> yeah, sounds like an environmental problem then
[09:27] <cjwatson> cprov: do you know if this error was directly from click-review, or if it was from the SCA task?
[09:29] <enoch85> kyrofa: I was, but I solved it with oparoz
[09:31] <qengho> Who approves new app names for Ubutu snap store? I thought it was automatic if not in a blacklist.
[09:32] <qengho> The FJKong tried to register something. It awaits some review or something.
[09:33] <ogra_> a  name that was already taken ?
[09:33] <ogra_> (usually it does not block)
[09:33] <qengho> I can not imagine it was taken.
[09:34] <ogra_> then it should just work i think ... (definitely did for me the last times i registered one, though admittedly that was a while ago)
[09:34] <qengho> Me too.
[09:34] <FJKong> ogra_: thanks I got the problem solved
[09:36] <FJKong> I got answer from cprov
[09:38] <qengho> Should all names be suffixed with a hyphen and a username? FJ wanted to register 'qrq'. There is no chance that there will be a conflict in names.
[09:39] <cprov> qengho: only in the case the requester is not the upstream or doesn't have a clear relation with it.
[09:39] <mup> PR snapd#2169 opened: interfaces/builtin: finish decl based checks <Blocked> <Critical> <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2169>
[09:40] <FJKong> cprov: I think this package is no longer maintained any more by upstream
[09:40] <qengho> FJKong: I guess you need to become upstream!
[09:41] <FJKong> ye, glad to do that
[09:41] <qengho> Okay, not a snappy problem then.
[09:44] <cjwatson> ogra_: narrowed down.  can you please file a bug against software-center-agent for this?
[09:44] <cjwatson> ogra_: working on a fix
[09:44] <ogra_> doing ...
[09:48] <ogra_> cjwatson, bug 1634443 (feel free to adjust summary/description to be  more accurate)
[09:48] <mup> Bug #1634443: changing directories like /var/lib/snapd  to 0000 mode causes review-tools to misbehave <Software Center Agent:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1634443>
[09:53] <kyrofa> enoch85, good deal
[09:53] <ogra_> lool, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1621380
[09:53] <mup> Bug #1621380: console-conf should allow to configure a hostname <Snappy:New> <subiquity (Ubuntu):In Progress> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1621380>
[10:23] <lool> ogra_: added to notes, thakns
[10:54] <bencc> do I need to install something to run snap packages on ubuntu 16.04 server?
[11:22] <Chipaca> bencc, "apt install snapd" should be enough
[11:26] <bencc> Chipaca: thanks
[11:26] <bencc> I'm considering packaging minio
[11:27] <bencc> https://github.com/minio/minio
[11:47] <Chipaca> bencc, nice!
[11:51] <mup> PR snapd#2170 opened: tests: use the snapd-control-consumer snap from the store <Created by fgimenez> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2170>
[11:57] <mup> PR snapd#2164 closed: many: add supports for keeping and finding assertions with different format iterations <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2164>
[12:23] <pstolowski> matiasb, ping
[12:24] <matiasb> pstolowski, o/
[12:24] <pstolowski> matiasb, hey, are you going to join store filtering session?
[12:25] <matiasb> pstolowski, I guess I can be there if it helps
[12:26] <pstolowski> matiasb, i think there is some confusion about what this session is about.. looks like client-side filtering and we may need to know what store is capable of et
[12:26] <pstolowski> etc
[12:26] <pstolowski> matiasb, it's in rembrandt
[12:26] <matiasb> pstolowski, ack
[12:26] <pstolowski> in 4 minutes
[12:44] <mup> PR snapd#2171 opened: tests: reenable ubuntu-core tests on qemu <Created by fgimenez> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2171>
[12:49] <fgimenez> hey om26er, i'm in potter, well now i'm heading to the coffee machine :)
[12:49] <om26er> fgimenez: was just going to ask if you have the TTL cable, now borrowed HDMI from IS.
[13:00] <desrt> Chipaca: hihi
[13:00] <Chipaca> desrt, o/
[13:00] <desrt> Chipaca: got a chance to chat about XDG_RUNTIME_DIR inside of snaps?
[13:01] <desrt> am happy to meet in a hallway somewhere if you have some minutes
[13:01] <Chipaca> desrt, in half an hour?
[13:01] <desrt> sure
[13:01] <desrt> i'm in the desktop room if you want to come get me
[13:03] <om26er> fgimenez: Hey! if you have a wifi dongle, please bring that as well
[13:08] <fgimenez> om26er: ok, are you on the unity8 room?
[13:09] <om26er> yes
[13:09] <om26er> fgimenez: yes
[13:33] <mup> PR snapd#2156 closed: many: move from flags as ints to flags as structs-of-bools <Created by chipaca> <Merged by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2156>
[13:36] <desrt> Chipaca: around?
[13:46] <mup> PR snapcraft#870 opened: sources: Add RPM source <Created by Conan-Kudo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/870>
[14:06] <mup> PR snapd#2151 closed: asserts,interfaces/policy: allow OR-ing of subrule constraints in plug/slot rules <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2151>
[14:08] <Chipaca> desrt, was around for a bit, missed your message here when i was out
[14:09] <Chipaca> desrt, want to come by Potter?
[14:09] <desrt> sure
[14:15] <lazyPower> lool you're my new best friend :)  *much fanfare*
[14:16] <lool> lazyPower: Hmmm?
[14:16] <lazyPower> that mail to the snap list about the docker snap being available for testing
[14:17] <lool> :-)
[14:17] <lazyPower> lool - its suspiciously well timed as well - http://imgur.com/a/7nKwM
[14:18] <lool> wow!
[14:18] <lazyPower> armhf lab, 6 ssd backed rpi2/3's
[14:18] <lazyPower> its not as fast as a proper ssd, but at least the storage is reliable ;)
[14:18] <lool> lazyPower: BTW do you know you can network boot rpi3?
[14:18] <lazyPower> i do but its a one way change, adn i wasn't ready to commit
[14:19] <lool> yeah, same here  :-)
[14:19] <lazyPower> i have been following the discussion on those addon wifi cards
[14:19] <lazyPower> sounds interesting enough
[14:19] <lazyPower> when we can maas enlist these boards, i'll be in nirvana
[14:19] <lool> lazyPower: is there a maas driver for devices without bmc?
[14:20] <lazyPower> i dont think so, but i'm not positive. I'd have to poke the #maas group
[14:21] <lool> lazyPower: how do you intend to drive power from maas for the rpis?
[14:23] <lazyPower> lool - well, the idea is that any time the board boots, it should read and attempt a pxe boot. maas will not re-pxe boot a provisioned machine so it should hten default to booting off the curtained disk
[14:23] <lazyPower> so i could in theory build a usb power brick with some additional love from a pi that can change power states on the ports
[14:24] <lazyPower> but thats WIP that has yet to be done, and that would be my first hardware hack in a heck of a long time
[14:24] <lazyPower> but i'm game to spend some weekends cycling on it
[14:24] <niemeyer> rharper: ping
[14:24] <rharper> niemeyer: here
[14:24] <niemeyer> rharper: Heya
[14:24] <rharper> hey
[14:25] <niemeyer> rharper: Looking into that cloud-init detail from PR snapd#2160
[14:25] <mup> PR snapd#2160: image: tweak the cloud-init configuration <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2160>
[14:25] <mup> Bug #1620442 changed: snap fails because XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is set to /run/user/1000 <snapd-interface> <Snappy Launcher:Triaged by zyga> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1620442>
[14:25] <lazyPower> lool - i was actually looking for a programmable usb hub/power-brick, and the only one i found was intended for telescope equipment, and its to the tune of 250 USD which is quite expensive for what its doing.
[14:25] <mup> PR snapd#2172 opened: asserts,interfaces/policy: implement on-classic plug/slot constraints <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2172>
[14:25] <lazyPower> lool - so seems like we're also hitting an edge of a product market that doesn't exist yet
[14:25] <niemeyer> rharper: How does the logic take place when there is both a default cloud.cfg and something else on .d?
[14:26] <rharper> niemeyer: cloud-init does a dictionary based merging of all of the yaml cfg files present
[14:26] <rharper> so loading /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg and any *.cfg that's yaml in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d
[14:27] <niemeyer> rharper: How do we take an option off if they're mergeD?
[14:28] <rharper> I believe setting the value to None, or empty should suffice
[14:33] <niemeyer> rharper: Ok, so in theory if we use the full cloud.conf, will it work the same way?
[14:33] <niemeyer> rharper: Well, in practice actually? :)
[14:34] <iliv_> is there a way to specify a target for make in the snapcraft.yaml file?
[14:35] <rharper> niemeyer: I can test that quickly by duplicating /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg and putting that in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/cloud.cfg
[14:35] <rharper> niemeyer: I expect it to work the same; yes
[14:35] <niemeyer> rharper: Thanks, it'd be nice to have some certainty about how this work as we'll be baking it into snapd proper.. if it's just a sum, then that's nicer indeed
[14:36] <lool> lazyPower: one of the old ones we used was http://www.digital-loggers.com/lpc.html
[14:36] <lool> lazyPower: but it's still fairly expensive and in my case the US power sockets are annoying
[14:37] <lazyPower> ah yeah i was hoping to avoid the AC power plug all together and get power-controlled USB ports instead
[14:37] <lazyPower> but this is a good lead, i should look into getting a managed power-switch
[14:38] <rharper> niemeyer: in general though, we'd like to avoid duplicating the default cloud.cfg in the gadget;
[14:38] <niemeyer> rharper: I'm still not entirely sure that's a good idea, but as long as the results of including a full cloud.cfg are the same, that should be okay
[14:40] <rharper> niemeyer: to be fair, the current cloud.conf file was never the full config; for example, it left off the 05_logging.cfg which is in /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/ ... so current users of that miss configuring that and cloud-init.log remains empty
[14:41] <rharper> niemeyer: I'm interested in any scenario you think might not work ...  ;
[14:41] <lazyPower> lool but to be fair, i think i'll wait for that maas work first :) then i'll invest in a managed power switch
[14:41] <lazyPower> until then, the plugin will be "manual" - as in, i get off my bum and to plug/unplug the board.
[14:41] <lazyPower> s/to/go/
[14:42] <niemeyer> rharper: The problem is cloud.cfg changing behind the gadget's back, which is exactly the motivation for doing this
[14:42] <niemeyer> rharper: Somebody cooking an image for a particular environment will not expect these settings to magically change after an update
[14:42] <rharper> niemeyer: right, if the core snap (or cloud-init snap) updated;
[14:43] <niemeyer> rharper: Which it does all the time, right? :)
[14:43] <rharper> the cloud.cfg is pretty static actually
[14:43] <rharper> but the concern you raise is real
[14:43] <niemeyer> rharper: Right, but if the point is that it's okay because it doesn't change, then why are we doing this? :)
[14:44] <rharper> because almost zero folks copying in the correct cloud.cfg and it clobbered the default configureation
[14:44] <rharper> this meant that cloud-init ran but didn't do anything as the list of datasources and config modules to run was empty
[14:44] <niemeyer> rharper: Can you rephrase this?  I didn
[14:45] <niemeyer> 't get the real point behind the comment
[14:46] <rharper> sure:  previous behavior was:  gadget needs 'cloud.conf' or cloud-init is disabled;  if cloud.conf exists, copy cloud.conf to /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg;  the overlay of cloud.cfg requires extracting the default cloud.cfg and the contents of /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg.d/*.cfg to bundle the correct default configuration
[14:47] <rharper> ideally we'd not punish cloud-init users by requiring that assembly of configuration into a single file
[14:51] <niemeyer> rharper: In the previous phrasing you mentioned a bug (didn't do anything because ...).. what was the cause/consequence?
[14:54] <rharper> niemeyer: the bug was that the conf clobbers the default cloud-init config;
[14:56] <niemeyer> rharper: Okay.. I thought they were actually trying to clobber it
[14:57] <rharper> niemeyer: hrm; ok
[15:00] <rharper> niemeyer: I do think that puts almost too much burden on gadget creator to understand all of cloud-init's defaults (or at least to learn how to extract it all from cloud-init deb)
[15:01] <rharper> niemeyer: I agree that if a gadget wanted to disable the default config then overwriting the cloud.cfg in the core snap is the right way to do that;
[15:03] <rharper> niemeyer: I don't think folks would realize that they might also need the 05_logging.cfg and other defaults to get the same behavior one would get on a cloud-image
[15:05] <niemeyer> rharper: There's a grub.conf right next to it, and a gadget.yaml with a detailed specification of partitions..
[15:05] <niemeyer> rharper: I'm more concerned about behavior changing behind people's back than about them having to cargo cult a nice example
[15:07] <rharper> niemeyer: isn't that a general concern w.r.t conf files versus code in the core snap  ?
[15:09] <niemeyer> rharper: Hmm.. in which sense?
[15:11] <rharper> we could include a configuration file for  some other package in the core snap and an update could change behavior despite the config in the gadget
[15:24] <iliv_> is there a way to make snapcraft cd into a specific directory before calling the make plugin? in this case, a Makefile includes another Makefile and the path to the second file is relative.. so it never gets included as apparently snapcrafts cwd is not where the first Makefile resides.
[15:25]  * iliv_ wondering if ogra_ might be able to help. He usually does :P
[15:34] <nacc> iliv_: i believe you might need to write a custom plugin then (pretty easy to do)
[15:34] <nacc> iliv_: it can probably inherit almost everything from the make plugin, except for the actual building step which knows about the details of your setup
[15:39] <iliv_> hmm
[15:39] <iliv_> alright
[15:39] <iliv_> thanks nacc
[15:39] <iliv_> where do I find make plugin's source code btw?
[15:39] <nacc> iliv_: that's what i've done in the past, at least
[15:39] <nacc> iliv_: it should all be in github (snapcraft iirc)
[16:16] <zyga> jdstrand: hey
[16:16] <zyga> jdstrand: I got notified about this bug earlier https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-confine/+bug/1620442
[16:16] <mup> Bug #1620442: snap fails because XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is set to /run/user/1000 <snapd-interface> <Snappy Launcher:Triaged by zyga> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1620442>
[16:17] <zyga> jdstrand: it looks easy technically but I wanted to ask you about your opinion first
[16:32] <mup> PR snapd#2171 closed: tests: reenable ubuntu-core tests on qemu <Created by fgimenez> <Merged by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2171>
[16:55] <mup> PR snapd#2173 opened: overlord/snapstate: move trash cleanup to a cleanup handler <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2173>
[17:03] <mup> PR snapd#2174 opened: store: send supported max-format when retrieving assertions <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2174>
[17:19] <Chipaca> jdstrand, whereabouts are you?
[17:30] <mup> PR snapd#2132 closed: interfaces/builtin: enable out of process providers for locationd <Created by vosst> <Merged by jdstrand> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2132>
[17:31] <Chipaca> jdstrand, dude we can tell you're not at the museum :-p
[17:38] <mup> PR snapd#2157 closed: boot,image,overlord,partition: read/write boot variables in single operation <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2157>
[18:03] <mup> PR snapd#2167 closed: snapstate, devicestate: do not remove seed <Created by chipaca> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2167>
[18:10] <mup> PR snapd#2174 closed: store: send supported max-format when retrieving assertions <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2174>
[18:30] <mup> PR snapd#2160 closed: image: tweak the cloud-init configuration <Created by mvo5> <Closed by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2160>
[18:31] <mup> PR snapd#2168 closed: snap/squashfs: try to hard link instead of copying. Also, switch to osutil.CopyFile for cp invocation <Created by chipaca> <Merged by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2168>
[18:32] <mup> PR snapd#2154 closed: cmd/snap: make snap run not talk to snapd for finding the revision <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2154>
[18:39] <mup> PR snapd#2170 closed: tests: use the snapd-control-consumer snap from the store <Created by fgimenez> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2170>
[19:11] <jdstrand> Chipaca: yeah, not there
[19:12] <jdstrand> Chipaca: in my hotel room
[19:12] <Chipaca> jdstrand, we're in Potter, if you're feeling lonely
[19:12] <jdstrand> I'm feeling quite sleepy after last night tbh :)
[19:12] <Chipaca> jdstrand, but only if you have pants on
[19:13] <jdstrand> ya, you caught me there.  ;) I think I am going to call it a night in a few
[19:16] <jdstrand> zyga: I saw bug #1620442. on touch we set that to somewhere in /run and in snapd we currently allow<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:16] <mup> Bug #1620442: snap fails because XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is set to /run/user/1000 <snapd-interface> <Snappy Launcher:Triaged by zyga> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1620442>
[19:17] <jdstrand> zyga: actually that rule is irrelevant
[19:19] <jdstrand> zyga: but I don't think the bind mount is particularly necessary, we could just add an apparmor rule for /run/user/*/snap.$SNAP/**, set XDG_RUNTIME_DIR to point to that and mkdir
[19:19] <jdstrand> zyga: can you think of why it should be a bind mount? I mean, it is already honoring the envvar
[19:19] <jdstrand> zyga: (and this is something ubuntu-app-launch on Touch would set)
[19:44] <mup> PR snapd#2143 closed: overlord: check that the first installed gadget matches the model assertion <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2143>
[20:24] <mup> PR snapd#2172 closed: asserts,interfaces/policy: implement on-classic plug/slot constraints <Created by pedronis> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2172>
[20:32] <mup> PR snapd#2175 opened: overlord: checks for kernel installation/refresh based on model assertion and previous kernel <Created by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2175>
[20:36] <mup> PR snapd#2123 closed: daemon: ensure `snap create-user --known` errors on classic (unless --force-managed is added) <Created by mvo5> <Merged by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2123>
[20:43] <mup> PR snapd#2173 closed: overlord/snapstate: move trash cleanup to a cleanup handler <Created by chipaca> <Merged by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2173>
[20:44] <k_> Hi, is there a way to test snap on centos 7?
[20:52] <mup> PR snapd#2122 closed: snappy: disable auto-import of assertions on classic <Created by mvo5> <Merged by niemeyer> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2122>
[21:07] <mup> PR snapd#2176 opened: store,daemon,overlord: download things to a partials dir <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2176>
[21:19] <ypwong> slangasek, you may want to look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-image/+bug/1634557
[21:19] <mup> Bug #1634557: The writable partition is corrupted using the latest ubuntu-image(0.8 ) <Ubuntu Image:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1634557>
[21:52] <mup> PR snapd#2177 opened: many: use the new systemd backend for configuring GPIOs <Created by zyga> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2177>
[21:53] <mup> PR snapd#2178 opened: snap: spool assertion candidates if snapd is not up yet <Created by mvo5> <Conflict> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2178>
[21:59] <slangasek> ypwong: hi - I had seen the bug and was going to raise this with barry today.  This is listed as a regression vs. 0.7?  where does this version of the package (0.8+17.04ubuntu1) come from?  that's not a version that's in the archive
[22:17] <mup> PR snapd#2179 opened: remove silly stuff <Created by mvo5> <Conflict> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2179>
[22:23] <slangasek> ypwong: ok, reproduced and it seems to not be a regression - we were just being spared this being an issue on the pi3 because of the firstboot autoresizing from the initramfs fixes it before we ever mount the rootfs
[22:47] <adam__> hello, I am looking at using ubuntu core snappy as the OS of choice for a raspberry pi solution to communicate with a webserver and some connected hardware via a serial port. I already have a node app that I want to repackage as a snap, but I am struggling to find the information that I need online: 1) Can I publish snaps privately, e.g. with proprietary closed source code and still make use of the auto-update functionality? 2) Can I
[23:30] <rhollan> Is there a snappy package that has networking utils, specifically bridge-utils? I want to bridge two docker containers to the hosts interface and have them get internal IP addresses and gateways and dns servers therefrom
[23:31] <rhollan> I don't have any bridge utils on the host side in snappy
[23:32] <mup> PR snapd#2180 opened: overlord/snapstate: two bugs for one <Created by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2180>
[23:33] <Chipaca> ^ fix for #1628914 :-D
[23:33] <mup> Bug #1628914: ubuntu-core edge image switched to stable channel unpredictably and became unusable <Snappy:In Progress by chipaca> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1628914>
[23:33]  * Chipaca ~> bed
[23:35] <mup> PR snapd#2179 closed: remove silly stuff <Created by mvo5> <Closed by chipaca> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/2179>


[02:21] <Omnifrog> it was a good show
[02:22] <Omnifrog> people were actually quite happy with my old school tunes
[02:40] <wrst> awesome Omnifrog
[02:45] <Omnifrog> I try not to do that too often
[02:46] <Omnifrog> playing Afternoon Delight should be a rare thing
[02:46] <Omnifrog> under any circumstances
[11:49]  * cyberanger wonders what it takes to get an Omnifrog to jump out of the pond
[16:19] <wrst> morning Omnifrog
[16:19] <Omnifrog> hiya wrst
[16:19] <wrst> rain rain rain Omnifrog!
[16:20] <Omnifrog> yeah, we got a good bit of it over night
[16:20] <Omnifrog> maybe 3 inches
[16:33] <wrst> yeah just a nice slow rain
[16:33] <wrst> but a lot of it


[22:01] <bcurtiswx> go me, breaking websites like it's my job
[22:44] <adom> bcurtiswx: ???
[22:46] <bcurtiswx> i broke dc.ubuntu-us.org
[22:56]  * kjcole is running around like crazy. Back shortly. He thinks.
[22:58] <bcurtiswx> yeah i have other admin duties i'm trying ot finish up before 7, lol
[23:00]  * kjcole is back.
[23:03]  * bcurtiswx is almost back...
[23:03] <bcurtiswx> who's here
[23:03]  * kjcole is Kevin Cole (and here)
[23:05] <bcurtiswx> ping mannyv marcoceppi paulproteus
[23:05] <paulproteus> bcurtiswx: sup?
[23:05] <bcurtiswx> lfaraone, as well
[23:05] <bcurtiswx> meeting time paulproteus
[23:05] <paulproteus> Ah, neato. I'll mostly just idle, as I am only here for the fun of it, not because I live in DC (but I do visit occasionally)
[23:06] <bcurtiswx> paulproteus, OK
[23:06] <bcurtiswx> #startmeeting
[23:06] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Aug 22 23:06:56 2013 UTC.  The chair is bcurtiswx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[23:07] <bcurtiswx> OK, Roll Call
[23:07]  * bcurtiswx is here
[23:07]  * bcurtiswx crashes..
[23:07] <bcurtiswx> lol
[23:07] <bcurtiswx> kjcole, see i broke dc.ubuntu-us.org
[23:07]  * kjcole is here
[23:08] <kjcole> bcurtiswx Uh-oh.
[23:08] <bcurtiswx> i sent a ticket in to get it fixed, apparently one theme causes it to autoroute to ubuntu.com
[23:08]  * bcurtiswx shrugs
[23:09] <bcurtiswx> #topic Takoma Park Folk Festival
[23:09] <kjcole> bcurtiswx Can it be undone from our end? Should I try?
[23:09] <bcurtiswx> kjcole, no it's out of our control unfortunately
[23:10] <bcurtiswx> there's no back route to a themeless one, i tried looking
[23:10] <bcurtiswx> So the TPFF is Sunday Sept 8th, 2013 9-5 IIRC
[23:10] <kjcole> Correct.
[23:11] <kjcole> #progress The table space is bought (rented) and paid for, once again.
[23:11] <bcurtiswx> #action bcurtiswx to start e-mail thread for TPFF
[23:11] <meetingology> ACTION: bcurtiswx to start e-mail thread for TPFF
[23:12] <bcurtiswx> this way we can see who is interested and who can provide transportation.
[23:12] <kjcole> #progress A small box of Raring and a reasonable amount of leftover LTS will be there.
[23:13] <bcurtiswx> I'll get a live USB stick to use on my macbook air with Ubuntu 13.04 and i'll bring my Ubuntu-touch Nexus 7
[23:13] <kjcole> #action Check with Chuck about shelter, power, and WiFi hot spot.
[23:13] <meetingology> ACTION: Check with Chuck about shelter, power, and WiFi hot spot.
[23:13] <bcurtiswx> not sure how well that will go as the device itself is slowly breaking internally
[23:13] <bcurtiswx> the nexus7
[23:14] <kjcole> I converted Jeff Elkner's Nexus to Ubuntu Touch as well.  If he's coming, he should bring it.
[23:14] <bcurtiswx> if we can get a consistent power source, i have unlimited Verizon and can toggle a local wifi if needed
[23:14] <bcurtiswx> it'll need to be plugged in, otherwise my battery will go quick
[23:14] <bcurtiswx> my wifi hotspot on my phone..
[23:15] <kjcole> If I can get a small-ish monitor that doesn't suck too much juice, I could set up the Raspberry Pi.
[23:15] <bcurtiswx> this is all of course, hoping for a decent weather event
[23:15] <kjcole> There is that.
[23:15] <bcurtiswx> when i go, *knocks on wood* it's rained..
[23:16] <bcurtiswx> I imagine if we have some of the ubuntu touch devices we may be a popular booth (with all the touch publicity)
[23:17] <kjcole> Sadly, the "sapphire screen" has, for the moment morphed into the "blue screen of death".
[23:17] <bcurtiswx> wow,
[23:18] <kjcole> Liked that, did you? ;-) I'm thinking of licensing the phrase under CC-BY-SA. ;-)
[23:18] <bcurtiswx> So I'll take care of that TPFF e-mail thread. Anything thats not on the wiki that i need to bring up?
[23:18] <bcurtiswx> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistrictOfColumbiaTeam/MeetingNotes/20130822
[23:19] <kjcole> Nothing pressing, as far as I know except an explicit mention of WiFi.
[23:20] <kjcole> (Which you've offered to cover, providing there's power.)
[23:20] <kjcole> #action kjcole will TRY to remember to look for and print newer handouts.
[23:20] <meetingology> ACTION: kjcole will TRY to remember to look for and print newer handouts.
[23:21] <bcurtiswx> I'm not sure how my transport will be, but if i have to take WMATA i'll be there shortly after 10:00
[23:21] <bcurtiswx> OK, so
[23:21] <kjcole> #action Cameras!
[23:21] <meetingology> ACTION: Cameras!
[23:21] <bcurtiswx> #topic reapproval
[23:22] <bcurtiswx> So i've gone through and updated the reapproval application and will need to send an e-mail out for updated to it.. then next month i'll attend (hopefully with others as well) the aproval meeting and get that taken care of
[23:22] <bcurtiswx> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistrictOfColumbiaTeam/ReApprovalApplication2013
[23:23] <kjcole> Depending on the meeting time, I can probably put in an appearance.  After TPFF we'll have another round of pictures as supporting evidence...
[23:23] <bcurtiswx> great
[23:23] <bcurtiswx> #action bcurtiswx to send out approval application updates email
[23:23] <meetingology> ACTION: bcurtiswx to send out approval application updates email
[23:24] <bcurtiswx> At least 2013 should have one item on it (TPFF)
[23:24] <kjcole> #action kjcole to sit back and let bcurtiswx do all the work. ;-)
[23:24] <meetingology> ACTION: kjcole to sit back and let bcurtiswx do all the work. ;-)
[23:24] <bcurtiswx> you're more than welcome to take an action item, ;)
[23:24] <bcurtiswx> hi ncweber welcome
[23:25] <kjcole> ncweber, glad you could join us.
[23:25] <bcurtiswx> This next item was supposed to be marcoceppi time
[23:25] <bcurtiswx> but i will go ahead and talk about an item thats not on the agenda
[23:25] <bcurtiswx> #topic LoCo main usage items
[23:26] <ncweber> Hello. Sorry I'm late.
[23:26] <bcurtiswx> So i was going through and finding out all the resources we have at our disposal
[23:26] <bcurtiswx> there's quite a bit
[23:26] <bcurtiswx> Wiki, Drupal, Forums, IRC, Mailing list
[23:26] <bcurtiswx> Forums are, well.. Nobody uses them (not even in any of the other LoCo's)
[23:27] <bcurtiswx> IRC is great for meetings, so thats the meeting resource
[23:27] <kjcole> Particularly since being badly hacked.
[23:27] <kjcole> (Forums, I mean.)
[23:27] <bcurtiswx> Mailing list will be the main point of communication
[23:28] <ncweber> That works well for me..
[23:28] <bcurtiswx> Wiki will store information for everything (I think they allow attachments of files and such, but i'm not entirely sure)
[23:28] <bcurtiswx> that will be our resource for information we need to keep for long times
[23:28] <kjcole> Lest we forget Evil Empire 2.0: Google+ Community / Hangouts / Circles / whatever.
[23:28] <bcurtiswx> (i.e. TPFF info, DISCO TECH stuff, etc...)
[23:28] <bcurtiswx> I'm getting there, lol
[23:29] <bcurtiswx> The drupal site should act as the main hub
[23:29] <bcurtiswx> quick reference for anyone who needs it and doesn't want to go digging
[23:29] <bcurtiswx> I saw on another drupal site (ohio linux team) that they have a mailing list feed aggregator
[23:29] <bcurtiswx> i'm totally doing that once canonical fixes our site
[23:29] <ncweber> Cool
[23:30] <kjcole> bcurtiswx nice.
[23:31] <bcurtiswx> So in my limited free time, i want to get things spiffied up and better organized so others can take charge if needed anytime in the future when the regulars aren't here
[23:31] <kjcole> Provided we're getting serious, then a calendar, probably front and center on the Drupal site, would be good.
[23:31] <bcurtiswx> ON the wiki i added at the bottom a link to all our subpages
[23:31] <bcurtiswx> I imagine there's some type of drupal calendar plugin
[23:31] <bcurtiswx> maybe i'll stick an IFrame of googles stuff <shrugs>
[23:31]  * bcurtiswx shivers from IFrames
[23:31] <kjcole> People need to be able to quickly check what's coming up (and, if they're really good, subscribe to said calendar to get automatic alerts).
[23:32] <bcurtiswx> yeah, i want to make it easy on everyone..... else.. lol.. so in return they come to meetings or even better, come to events
[23:33] <bcurtiswx> i don't plan on it being easy early on here for me (or Kevin) as we update things.. The goal is that once everything comes together, things before easier and easier on anyone in charge
[23:33] <kjcole> bcurtiswx before someone broke it ;-) Drupal had, built in, the concept of "events". As I recall, there wasn't a particularly intelligent calendar, but I believe I did embed a Google calendar into the site.
[23:33] <bcurtiswx> :(
[23:33] <bcurtiswx> i blame the fact that a theme was available to us that did that
[23:33] <bcurtiswx> i don't blame me
[23:34] <bcurtiswx> We have a twitter/facebook/google+ account that I and/or Kevin will keep updated
[23:34] <bcurtiswx> You all should have seen my posts earlier this week announcing the meeting
[23:34] <bcurtiswx> on all three
[23:34] <ncweber> I'd like to help out if I can.
[23:35] <bcurtiswx> ncweber, we'll keep that in mind. thanks
[23:35] <kjcole> ncweber Artwork's always welcome, and whatever else you feel comfy with.
[23:35] <bcurtiswx> OK, any other events coming up for the LoCo other than TPFF
[23:36] <kjcole> I've been so overwhelmed for so long, but if I ever get back to sanity, some newcomer tutorials might be in the offing.
[23:36] <bcurtiswx> #action kjcole to create wiki page with all events that Ubuntu-us-dc normally participates in w/dates/links etc...
[23:36] <meetingology> ACTION: kjcole to create wiki page with all events that Ubuntu-us-dc normally participates in w/dates/links etc...
[23:36] <kjcole> bcurtiswx Mayhaps plan on a release party for Sausy?
[23:37] <bcurtiswx> A late october at TOI may be perfect
[23:37] <kjcole> Also, we should try to join some of the global events.
[23:37] <bcurtiswx> absolutely
[23:38] <bcurtiswx> that should link up with the loco.ubuntu.com
[23:38] <bcurtiswx> so we just have to find it and add ours to it (borg collective style)
[23:38] <kjcole> #idea I think we should try doing events at MLK's new Digital Commons, and then trek to food afterwards on a semi-regular basis.
[23:38] <bcurtiswx> where is MLK library?
[23:38] <kjcole> This would give us greater exposure, and they have a 3D printer now.
[23:39] <bcurtiswx> orly?
[23:39] <ncweber> 9th & G Streets, NW
[23:39] <bcurtiswx> a 3-d orange ubuntu logo would be a nice office addition
[23:39] <kjcole> #link https://maps.google.com/maps?daddr=901+G+St+NW,+Washington,+DC+20001&gl=us&panel=1&fb=1&dirflg=d&geocode=0,38.898661,-77.024603&cid=0,0,13562564641347802842&hq=mlk+library&hnear=0x89b7c6de5af6e45b:0xc2524522d4885d2a,Washington,+DC&t=m&z=16
[23:40] <bcurtiswx> oh, block away from gallery place
[23:40] <bcurtiswx> easy metro access
[23:40] <kjcole> At least a handful of employees there are excited about the Pi, though at the moment it's clearly a Windows / Mac shop.
[23:40] <ncweber> Across from a convenient Metro Station. Gallery Place-Chinatown
[23:40] <bcurtiswx> ;)
[23:40] <bcurtiswx> we'll take it over, easily
[23:41] <bcurtiswx> i converted an entire grad department to Ubuntu
[23:41] <ncweber> Wow. Impressive
[23:41] <bcurtiswx> yeah, i locked them in a small room until they agreed in writing,
[23:41] <bcurtiswx> ...
[23:41] <bcurtiswx> j/k
[23:41] <bcurtiswx> #topic open discussion
[23:41] <bcurtiswx> Anything anyone has to bring up?
[23:42] <ncweber> writing in their own blood?
[23:42] <kjcole> bcurtiswx The western exit of Gallery Place comes is line of sight to MLK. Diagonally from it.
[23:42] <bcurtiswx> I was down there once for a Capitals hockey game
[23:42] <bcurtiswx> im sure it will still be unfamiliar anyways.. lol
[23:42] <ncweber> I actually work across the street from there.
[23:43] <bcurtiswx> i'm always happy when WMATA is closeby
[23:43] <bcurtiswx> sidebar here, my wife got interviewed b y washington post about one of her really bad metro experiences
[23:43] <kjcole> Continuing a bit on the library, the Digital Commons is relatively new, (http://www.dclibrary.org/digitalcommons).
[23:44] <kjcole> bcurtiswx Let me know if that story makes an appearance somewhere (or already has).
[23:44] <bcurtiswx> nice digital commons!
[23:45] <ncweber> Since I haven't been to MLK since high school back in the 80s so I'm sure everything will be new to me.
[23:45] <kjcole> #idea I've been toying with the idea of trying to reach out to local politicos.  In fact, I gave wannabe mayor Tommy Wells an Ubuntu CD at the grand opening of the Digital Commons.
[23:46] <ncweber> Hey, if Munich can do it...
[23:46] <kjcole> Mike Lee of the OLPC Learning Club has talked about putting in a Dream Lab application at the Digital Commons for an "Unleash Kids" initiative.
[23:46] <bcurtiswx> kjcole, http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dr-gridlock/wp/2013/07/11/metro-commuters-tell-of-nightmarish-delays-wednesday-night/
[23:47] <bcurtiswx> the whole "you don't have to pay for an OS" should still resonate well with people
[23:47] <bcurtiswx> and the fact you can try it without having to install it is a HUGE bonus
[23:47] <kjcole> bcurtiswx, Now that I see it, it never occured to me to pay attention to the names of the interviewees when I was reading it the first time.
[23:48] <bcurtiswx> so you've seen the article already 'eh?
[23:48] <kjcole> Yeah.
[23:48] <bcurtiswx> i was in baltimore for an orioles game while all this was happening
[23:49] <bcurtiswx> i imagine she loathed me a lot then..
[23:49] <bcurtiswx> #action kjcole to start e-mail discussion about MLK possibilites and what we can participate in
[23:49] <meetingology> ACTION: kjcole to start e-mail discussion about MLK possibilites and what we can participate in
[23:50] <bcurtiswx> OK, anything else before I officially end this meeting ?
[23:50] <kjcole> #idea As much as I like giving Merge business (which I've actually been a bit remiss about), if we have someone who isn't shy, we might try to get something going ONCE in a while at Busboys and Poets.
[23:50] <bcurtiswx> we can go wherever
[23:51] <bcurtiswx> OK, #endmeeting
[23:51] <bcurtiswx> #endmeeting
[23:51] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Aug 22 23:51:29 2013 UTC.
[23:51] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-us-dc/2013/ubuntu-us-dc.2013-08-22-23.06.moin.txt
[23:51] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-us-dc/2013/ubuntu-us-dc.2013-08-22-23.06.html
[23:51] <kjcole> B&P is set up for both food and lectures, as well as selling books with a social justice bent.  And owner Andy Shallal is considering a run for mayor as well, or so rumor has it.
[23:51] <ncweber> Apparently, Amazon doesn't think it's important to have an IRC app in its store.  Had to sideload Yaaic on my Kindle Fire.
[23:51] <kjcole> Thanks for playing. ;-)
[23:52] <kjcole> ncweber We'll just have to wipe out the OS and put Ubuntu on it. ;-)
[23:52] <bcurtiswx> i second that motion
[23:52] <ncweber> Haha. I dunno. I've grown kinda fond of the thing as is.
[23:53] <kjcole> ncweber: You missed the early part of the meeting where we were doing a bit of discussion about TPFF, and both bcurtiswx and jelkner now have Ubuntu Touch on their Nexus 7 tablets.
[23:53] <kjcole> ncweber: And, though still slightly rough around the edges, it's clearly mature enough to use.
[23:54] <ncweber> I do want to try Ubuntu Touch on my old EVO 4G, but I'm having trouble rooting it.
[23:54] <kjcole> (I haven't fooled with Firefox OS, other than to try to wedge it onto a Raspberry Pi, where it "crawled" rather than "ran".)
[23:55] <ncweber> Anyone check out Jolla yet?
[23:55] <bcurtiswx> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistrictOfColumbiaTeam/MeetingNotes/20130822
[23:56] <kjcole> ncweber: To the best of my knowledge, Ubuntu Touch on the EVO 4G is not do-able yet (and unlikely to be).  On the other hand, having the same device, and having rooted it, I may be able to help.
[23:56] <kjcole> I'm using CyanogenMod in place of Android on it.
[23:56] <kjcole> (I'm not using it as a phone. It's more of a "very small wifi tablet" for me.)
[23:57] <ncweber> That would be helpful. I'm having that issue where I can't get the unlock code from the phone.
[23:57] <bcurtiswx> yeah my SGS3 has CM10.2 (android 4.3)
[23:57] <kjcole> Jolla... I looked at it long ago. I've also looked at Sailfish OS (https://sailfishos.org/).  But never actually tried either.
[23:58] <bcurtiswx> Well i have packing, cleaning and a trip starting at 6AM to Rochester tomorrow morning
[23:58] <bcurtiswx> (wedding)
[23:58] <bcurtiswx> so i'm heading out
[23:59] <ncweber> G'Night
[23:59] <bcurtiswx> maybe i'll catch Obama while he's in the area....
[23:59] <kjcole> ncweber: According to the "About" for Sailfish OS "It is independent, open, partner friendly, and created by a team with credible track record, now working at Jolla Ltd."
[23:59] <kjcole> bcurtiswx: Ta-ta.


[02:09] <mup> Bug #1756766 opened: [2.4a2] crash in observ-mdns <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756766>
[03:37] <mup> Bug #1756781 opened: Unable to see IP leases in MAAS UI <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756781>
[04:25] <mup> Bug #1741179 changed: package maas-region-api 2.2.0+bzr6054-0ubuntu2~16.10.1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 <amd64> <apport-package> <yakkety> <maas (Ubuntu):Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1741179>
[09:28] <mup> Bug #1756821 opened: tag autocompletion dropdown broken <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756821>
[13:20] <mup> Bug #1756766 changed: [2.4a2] crash in observ-mdns <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756766>
[13:23] <mup> Bug #1756766 opened: [2.4a2] crash in observ-mdns <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756766>
[13:29] <mup> Bug #1756766 changed: [2.4a2] crash in observ-mdns <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756766>
[18:00] <Barak> PXE boot not working the device recognize the pxe boot option but can't establish the link
[18:02] <mup> Bug #1756956 opened: 2.4: pods 'create' fails without a zone specified <cdo-qa> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756956>
[18:07] <vogelc> @roaksoax Is there any way to add a node in to maas and allocate it to a user without having to commission and deploy it?
[18:07] <vogelc> roaksoax: see ^^^
[18:25] <roaksoax> vogelc: nope
[18:32] <mup> Bug #1756956 changed: 2.4: pods 'create' fails without a zone specified <cdo-qa> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756956>
[18:35] <mup> Bug #1756956 opened: 2.4: pods 'create' fails without a zone specified <cdo-qa> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756956>
[18:39] <_bladernr_> roaksoax, just curious, is boot from SAN supported by MAAS?  in other words, if I have a SAN LUN configured for a HBA on my node, and I commission, if that SAN LUN appears as a block device during commissioning, can I completely install to the SAN, and then boot from it when MAAS completes deployment?
[18:39] <_bladernr_> and if so, does that require at least some local storage for grub, or can it be completely diskless (SAN only)?
[18:40] <_bladernr_> roaksoax, ^^ that's assuming, of course, that the HBA is supported in the MAAS ephemeral environment.
[18:44] <mup> Bug #1756956 changed: 2.4: pods 'create' fails without a zone specified <cdo-qa> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756956>
[18:49] <roaksoax> _bladernr_: we dont support diskless boot
[18:49] <roaksoax> _bladernr_: if, however, the machine sees that as locally attached storage and everything would be done via firwamre as is deisplayed as locally attached, it may work
[19:04] <Hey_> I have 150 physical servers, I may image 5 machines a week.  What should the specs of my physical server be?
[19:04] <Hey_> MAAS Server I mean.
[19:05] <_bladernr_> roaksoax, thanks!
[19:42] <mup> Bug #1756985 opened: [2.4, UI] Can't add a machine over the UI <MAAS:Triaged by newell-jensen> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1756985>


[09:13] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[14:25] <plod> hiya
[14:25] <brobostigon> hi plod
[14:26] <plod> dont supposed you got experiance of ubuntu-vm-builder
[14:26] <brobostigon> no, sorry.
[14:29] <plod> no worrys
[14:29] <plod> you well butt?
[14:30] <brobostigon> plod: been better, had alot of trouble with my eczema recently. and you?
[14:32] <plod> coming down with something but generally of good sorts
[14:32] <brobostigon> ok :) :(
[14:53] <plod> glad to here you are feeling somewhat better
[14:53] <brobostigon> :)
[17:49] <Espreon> I... have arrived.
[19:27] <plod> hi
[19:28] <brobostigon> hi Espreon and plod
[19:30] <plod> what are we up to this evenings
[19:30] <plod> :)
[19:30] <brobostigon> plod: watching mythbusters, and you?
[19:31] <plod> watching todays stage of la vuelta
[19:31] <brobostigon> ok.
[19:31] <plod> and reading about dns daemons
[19:31] <brobostigon> ok.
[19:31] <plod> not too exciting
[19:31] <plod> but still fun :)
[19:32] <brobostigon> :)
[19:34] <plod> anything fun on mythbusters?
[19:35] <brobostigon> plod: quick sand, and applience/bath electricution.
[19:36] <plod> oh i think ive seen that ep
[19:36] <brobostigon> plod: odd facts like what they cover in their programs, interest me, in the same way as QI.
[19:37] <plod> yes I do like that
[19:37] <plod> but i find that yankyness of mythbusters frustrating
[19:37] <plod> if you took the original content only the episodes would only be 10 minutes
[19:38] <brobostigon> it can be dificult, yes.
[19:38] <plod> but still entertaining because of the content
[19:38] <brobostigon> yes.
[22:02] <brobostigon> nos da everyone, sleep well.
[23:42] <ianto> A belated nos da


[05:50] <SamuraiAlba> good bacon to all!
[09:24] <JonathanD> Morning.
[09:53] <rmg51> Morning JonathanD
[09:56] <JonathanD> hi rmg51
[09:58] <rmg51> 0/
[11:57] <InHisName> morning all
[12:16] <rmg51> time to head off to PACS
[12:16] <waltman> oh, it's PACS day?
[12:16] <JonathanD> yes.
[12:16] <waltman> The main item on my to-do list today is to buy a suit.
[12:17] <JonathanD> a suit!
[12:17] <waltman> Yeah, I want to have a decent suit to wear for my defense.
[12:19] <waltman> It's been a long time since I've word a suit :)
[12:20] <waltman> er,.bought a suit.
[12:23] <waltman> Like the late 90s.
[12:23] <waltman> There's a Jos. A. Bank down in Haverford. They've got a sale -- buy 1 get 2 free. But I don't need 3 suits...
[12:28] <InHisName> half price sale might be more useful, depending on orig price
[12:29] <InHisName> Willow Grove Mall is short few blocks from PACS meeting place, waltman
[12:29] <InHisName> several suit sellers are there
[12:44] <jedijf> waltman: buy the 3, will use now, job hunting, and it's a great suit and a great deal
[12:45] <jedijf> the ad has been driving me crazy, and i have enough suits
[13:22] <waltman> jedijf: yeah, there's that.
[13:27] <waltman> jedijf: I saw an ad for Men's Warehouse last night with a similar sale, but maybe it was only buy 1 get 1 free.
[19:15] <waltman> jedijf: I opted for the 1-suit-at-50%-off option :)
[21:19] <ChinnoDog> jedijf: do you have one of these yet? http://getpebble.com/