[18:07] <leftyfb> libwbclient0=2:4.3.11+dfsg-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> pinentry-curses=0.9.7-3 python-ldb=2:1.1.24-1ubuntu3 python-samba=2:4.3.11+dfsg-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> python-talloc=2.1.5-2 python-tdb=1.3.8-2 samba=2:4.3.11+dfsg-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> samba-common=2:4.3.11+dfsg-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> samba-common-bin=2:4.3.11+dfsg-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> samba-dsdb-modules=2:4.3.11+dfsg-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> samba-libs=2:4.3.11+dfsg-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> samba-vfs-modules=2:4.3.11+dfsg-0ubuntu0
[18:07] <leftyfb> .16.04.13 smbclient=2:4.3.11+dfsg-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> winbind=2:4.3.11+dfsg-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[18:08] <leftyfb> sorry, didn't realize the amount that was in my buffer :)
[18:08] <fiona_> leftyb invalid operation on clean?
[18:08] <leftyfb> oh?
[18:08] <TJ-> well! that's blown my download cap for the month :D
[18:08] <leftyfb> fiona_: sudo apt-get clean
[18:08] <leftyfb> fiona_: ^ that gives you an error?
[18:08] <fiona_> no works fine
[18:09] <TJ-> leftyfb: you originally typed 'sudo apt-cache clean' :p
[18:09] <leftyfb> bah, I see the issue
[18:09] <leftyfb> both ; and &&
[18:09] <TJ-> well actually hacing the && was a good thing in that case
[18:09] <fiona_> leftyfb: so ... is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. is the next error i come across
[18:10] <kostkon> fiona_, pastebin the error
[18:10] <TJ-> fiona_: are you attempting to upgrade from 17.04 to 17.10 ?
[18:10] <leftyfb> TJ-: no
[18:11] <TJ-> leftyfb: the reason I asked is some of those package versions look to be from 17.10
[18:11] <fiona_> leftyfb: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QDCnxnmshw/
[18:11] <leftyfb> fiona_: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/KcjFxbH6Zw/
[18:11] <TJ-> (those 'foreign' package versions that tomreyn's tool reported)
[18:11] <leftyfb> fiona_: it without --reinstall
[18:12] <TJ-> leftyfb: I think it needs the package lists re-fetching
[18:13] <fiona_> TJ-: your paste gives me the following: After this operation, 5,331 kB disk space will be freed.
[18:13] <fiona_> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] - shoudl I proceed with downgrading?
[18:13] <leftyfb> fiona_: yes
[18:13] <Doow> Hi, I'm trying to identify the network card on a laptop/tablet I have. It's supposed to be a Broadcom 43438, but neither lspci, lshw nor lsusb show anything that looks network related from what I can tell.
[18:13] <leftyfb> fiona_: take notice of any packages it says might be removed
[18:14] <leftyfb> Doow: lspci |grep -i net
[18:14] <leftyfb> Doow: if it's not showing up, then it wasn't detected at boot for some reason
[18:14] <fiona_> leftyfb: none to be removed only a suggested list, downgrade and an autoremove
[18:14] <leftyfb> ok
[18:15] <leftyfb> fiona_: when it completes, try installing software-properties-common again
[18:15] <oerheks> Doow, pastebin the whole lspci output please? paste.ubuntu.com
[18:15] <Doow> oerheks: I don't have internet on that machine, so it'll take some fiddling. I'll see what I can do.
[18:16] <oerheks> Doow, a picture might do
[18:18] <fiona_> leftyfb: TJ-: You lovely people thank you software-properties-common has now been successfully installed
[18:18] <oerheks> Doow, what laptop is that exactly?? does it come with fastboot/secureboot UEFI bios? disable fastboot..
[18:20] <oerheks> fasboot could prevent detection/use of wifi/bt adapters
[18:20] <sima> My monitor was turned off from power when starting and now it can't be set to wanted higher resolution
[18:20] <sima> how to make kernel/drivers better recognize it, without resetting machine (i can logoff/logon)
[18:21] <EriC^^> Doow: does 'dmesg' mention anything?
[18:21] <leftyfb> Doow: this is a wireless chipset? If so, maybe the radio is turned off with one of the function keys on the keyboard? Or with a physical switch on the side of your laptop
[18:21] <Doow> oerheks: https://www.acer.com/datasheets/2017/4876/S1003/NT.LECED.003.html
[18:22] <Doow> leftyfb: It is wireless. I tried fn+f3, but I'm not sure how it will show up. Toggling doesn't change the output of lspci at least
[18:23] <Slade> whats ubuntu-standard all about?
[18:23] <leftyfb> Doow: run: dmesg -w
[18:23] <leftyfb> Doow: watch that as you toggle those keys
[18:23] <kostkon> Doow, try  rfkill list  then
[18:23] <leftyfb> Slade: apt-cache show ubuntu-standard
[18:24] <leftyfb> kostkon: rfkill isn't going to do anything if the hardware isn't detected
[18:24] <kostkon> leftyfb, just see if anythign is blocked
[18:24] <Slade> leftyfb, i did. its pretty generic and not very accurate.. popularity-contest is something it depends on
[18:26] <leftyfb> Slade: it's the standard, minimal list of packages needed to get a command line and install/upgrade packages
[18:26] <Slade> its not minimal, otherwise popularity-contest woudldnt be in there
[18:27] <Slade> it seems to be a 'dont touch this' package tho
[18:28] <Slade> slipping in the spyware.. :(
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> Slade: ubuntu 18.04 is gonna add minimal option to desktop
[18:28] <Slade> lotuspsychje, this isnt a desktop install
[18:30] <leftyfb> Slade: it's not spyware
[18:30] <Slade> leftyfb, it automatically reports stuff you do to some server. we might have differing opinions on what spyware is
[18:31] <leftyfb> Slade: it's a meta package. IT doesn't do anything
[18:31] <netochka> How can i access Hexchat directory?
[18:31] <Slade> certainly not part of a minimal list of packages to get a command line
[18:31] <leftyfb> netochka: ~/.config/hexchat
[18:31] <leftyfb> Slade: and upgrade/install packages
[18:32] <kostkon> netochka, snap or not?
[18:32] <netochka> leftyfb,  i need to place a pem file in that directory but i donno how.
[18:32] <kostkon> netochka, for snap version, it's in... ~/snap
[18:32] <Doow> kostkon, leftyfb : rfkill list gives nothing. Although there are a number of rfkill enabled/disabled mentions in the dmesg log (not occuring when I press fn+f3, but since earlier)
[18:33] <Slade> leftyfb, the daily cron job it installs doesnt seem 'meta'
[18:33] <netochka> kostkon, it's not in snap i think.
[18:33] <Slade> or the files in sbin
[18:34] <Slade> anyhow, didnt really want to debate the popularity-contest package. just figure out why its required for ubuntu-standard
[18:34] <leftyfb> Slade: it seems like you've made up your mind about not liking/trusting of the most basic functionalities of ubuntu. There are plenty of other OS's out there for you to try. Might I suggest one from this list: https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/linux-distros-paranoid-secure-distros-si/
[18:34] <netochka> The pem file should be placed in certs/network name.pem in the HexChat config directory (~/.config/hexchat/ or %appdata%\HexChat), where network name is the name of the network as it appears in the network list (Ctrl-S). Note that the certs directory does not exist by default and you will have to create it yourself. Once the file is there, all subsequent SSL connections to that network will use the certificate.
[18:34] <netochka> this is all very confusing.
[18:34] <leftyfb> netochka: what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
[18:35] <Slade> leftyfb, wait, popularity-contest is 'the most basic functionalities of ubuntu' ?
[18:35] <arun007> netochka: ask in #freenode :)
[18:35] <Doow> EriC^^: dmesg doesn't mention anything from what I can see, I just grepped for net and wifi. Possibly this: "audit: initializing netlink subsys"
[18:35] <netochka> leftyfb, i am trying to connect to irc through Tor. https://freenode.net/kb/answer/certfp . I created a certificate. just can't get hexchat to work with it
[18:35] <leftyfb> Slade: I have not been referring to popularity-content. Only ubuntu-standard which is the only package you have asked for clarification on .
[18:35] <netochka> arun007, ok
[18:36] <TJ-> Slade: I agree with you; popularity-contest should be at most a Recommends, possible a Suggests, but always optional
[18:36] <mojtaba> Hello, Do you know how can I recover a forgotten password? I have ssh access, and I don't want to change the password.
[18:37] <Slade> leftyfb, then we havent been having the same conversation. :)
[18:37] <leftyfb> mojtaba: sudo su && passwd <user>
[18:37] <arun007> netochka: You should add the cert fingerprint for certfp to work
[18:37] <mojtaba> leftyfb: sudo will ask for password!
[18:37] <pragmaticenigma> netochka, a cert isn't required for hexchat to work over Tor. You only need to setup Tor to use the proxy server setup by the Tor client software
[18:38] <leftyfb> mojtaba: boot with a live cd/usb, mount drive, chroot to drive, then use passwd <user>
[18:38] <Slade> TJ-, i've been trying to figure out what it'd break to remove it. i dont see anything that depends on it
[18:38] <netochka> arun007, and how to do that
[18:38] <Slade> except the ubuntu-standard
[18:38] <mojtaba> leftyfb: I don't have physical access, just ssh.
[18:38] <TJ-> Slade: remove ubuntu-standard, that's only a meta, then you can remove pop-con without any complaints
[18:38] <leftyfb> mojtaba: contact the admin of the machine
[18:38] <netochka> pragmaticenigma, there is instruction in here but it's confusing for me. https://freenode.net/kb/answer/certfp
[18:39] <Slade> TJ-, yea it says removing ubuntu-standard might break upgrades to ubuntu tho
[18:40] <TJ-> Slade: I doubt it; I can't find anything that depends on it
[18:40] <pragmaticenigma> netochka, again, you do not need a certificate to access IRC via Tor... you just need to set hexchat to use the proxy server created by Tor
[18:40] <Slade> TJ-, bleh :P
[18:40] <TJ-> Slade: also, pop-con was added to ubuntu-standard in 2005 so it's not a recent thing and I'm not sure any tasks even install u-s any more
[18:41] <netochka> pragmaticenigma, how to do that?
[18:41] <TJ-> Slade: well 'standard' task does but I've not seen that used in years
[18:42] <jsync> Hello. Can 2 people within a community set the font for a particular language setting to an Aurebesh (Star Wars) font & type in that language setting & see the Aurebesh font? Would that work?
[18:42] <pragmaticenigma> netochka, here's an article that explains what you are trying to do in better detail
[18:42] <pragmaticenigma> https://medium.com/@defcon201/tutorial-connecting-to-freenode-via-tor-like-a-boss-f8d74199b634
[18:43] <kostkon> jsync, on irc?
[18:43] <pragmaticenigma> I wasn't aware the freenode blocks tor unless the client provides a cert
[18:43] <jsync> In public or any chat program or forum.
[18:43] <Doow> What do people use as a pastebin for images? I'm getting lots of bad and/or have to register sites when just searching. =)
[18:43] <limbo_> Ubuntu doesn't seem to remember wifi keys when I try to connect with another wifi card. Is this normal?
[18:43] <kostkon> jsync, hmm nope
[18:44] <jsync> Why not?
[18:44] <akik> Doow: imgur.com
[18:44] <jsync> So, the couple of people that set farsi language setting to the Star Wars font would not see the Star Wars font that the other individual typed?
[18:44] <pragmaticenigma> jsync, only those who set the font as their preferred font would see it. The rest of us will see the text in the font we have set in our settings. IRC doesn't send font information, only the character codes
[18:45] <TJ-> jsync: if the UTF-8 characters are transmitted over the comm channel then the clients are free to use any font they wish to display
[18:45] <akik> Doow: remember to sanitize the pictures of sensitive information
[18:46] <pragmaticenigma> Doow, sites require user accounts for images for tracking purposes... there really aren't many anonymous image boards anymore... and choosing one that no one has heard of is likely not going to get any attention
[18:46] <kostkon> jsync, no they wouldn't. and it would take a lot of effort to explain why and also it is beyond the scope of this channel
[18:46] <jsync> I noticed unicode is not friendly to custom language settings. I am within various Star Wars Communities & we want to use Aurebesh language settings to communicate. I'm trying to figure out how to feasibly do that.
[18:46] <Doow> akik: I removed exif, I hope there isn't anything else?
[18:47] <pragmaticenigma> jsync, this isn't the appropriate channel for getting help with that
[18:47] <Doow> oerheks: https://imgur.com/a/nYKNK
[18:47] <jsync> What channel should I use?
[18:47] <Doow> oerheks: (That's my lspci)
[18:48] <pragmaticenigma> jsync, you can try #irchelp or #freenode
[18:49] <pragmaticenigma> Doow, use pastebin for text... pictures make it hard to read text
[18:50] <pragmaticenigma> !paste
[18:50] <pragmaticenigma> !pastebinit
[18:50] <Doow> pragmaticenigma: I don't have internet on that machine, so oerheks asked me if I could post a picture instead
[18:50] <pragmaticenigma> oh, I didn't see that.. my bad Doow
[18:50] <Doow> np =)
[18:52] <Doow> while I'm here, remounting the root file system at runtime would lead to bad things, right? (it's on an usb boot stick that I can't write to because it's read only)
[18:56] <Slade> TJ-, just old stuff then
[18:57] <TJ-> Doow: did you report the make/model of the PC?
[18:58] <Doow> TJ-: it's an Acer One 10 ( https://www.acer.com/datasheets/2017/4876/S1003/NT.LECED.003.html )
[18:59] <TJ-> Doow: which version of Ubuntu is running on it?
[19:00] <Doow> TJ-: 17.10.1
[19:00] <Doow> Desktop
[19:01] <TJ-> Doow: is it the 64-bit version?
[19:02] <Doow> Running might be a stretch, sofar I've failed to run the whole install. It fails when trying to install grub (most likely since it needs to connect to the internet to install 32 bit efi, at least that has helped some people).
[19:02] <TJ-> Doow: ahhh, you're in the installer.
[19:02] <TJ-> Doow: did you use the "Try Ubuntu' session ?
[19:02] <Doow> Yes, 64 bit, but I added a 32-bit EFI file to get it to boot at all, that might be related now that you bring it up.
[19:03] <TJ-> Doow: no, that's a good move, most people wouldn't realise to do that
[19:04] <Doow> TJ-: I've run both the installer directly and from "Try Ubuntu". I'm using "Try Ubuntu" right now.
[19:04] <Doow> TJ-: well some googling, and this channel has been very helpful before ;)
[19:05] <TJ-> Doow: I'm just thinking about if the firmware may have disabled it, or if an ACPI workaround may be needed
[19:06] <TJ-> Doow: I've seen a screenshot of the Windows Device Manager of that system, whuich shows a PCI Broadcom network device. Assuming your system is the same as that then we expect to see it on PIC
[19:06] <implite> hello i have a problem with my unity and could use some help
[19:07] <TJ-> PCI... so if we don't it's possible firmware has disabled it in setup/config at boot-time, OR, it needs to be enabled by Windows-specific ACPI code ... solution to that is to have Linux pretend to be the version of Windows expected by the firmware
[19:07] <EriC^^> implite: what's the problem?
[19:07] <implite> well its not loading up
[19:07] <EriC^^> implite: does the guest account work?
[19:07] <implite> i get just the startx kinda
[19:08] <implite> hmm im not sure if i made guest account
[19:08] <EriC^^> implite: should be there by default
[19:08] <Doow> TJ-: That's good, I wasn't sure if it was PCI or something else.
[19:08] <TJ-> Doow: I have to go to dinner now, but seems you're not alone, even Windows suffers this: https://community.acer.com/en/discussion/405198/aspire-one-10-s1002-network-hardware-gone-after-windows-update-two-computers
[19:08] <implite> ok ill try that and ill come back
[19:09] <Doow> TJ-: I'm going to take a look in bios now to see if I see anything related, if that doesn't work. How do I try the second thing?
[19:09] <Doow> TJ-: Ok, thanks for the help =)
[19:12] <ozbrk> hi guys I need a little help here. Im trying to install ubuntu on my ssd as a dual boot config but I get this error
[19:12] <ozbrk> he partition table format in use on your disks normally requires you to create a separate partition for boot loader code. This partition should be marked for use as a "Reserved BIOS boot area" and should be at least 1 MB in size. Note that this is not the same as a partition mounted on /boot.  If you do not go back to the partitioning menu and correct this error, boot loader installation may fail later, although it may still be possible
[19:12] <ozbrk> I ve got 20mb for boot and 1mb for free
[19:13] <EriC^^> ozbrk: 20mb for boot is too tiny
[19:13] <ozbrk> correction it is 33 mb
[19:13] <EriC^^> ozbrk: why not just use /boot as part of the main root fs
[19:14] <ozbrk> will it solve the isue
[19:14] <EriC^^> 512mb+ for /boot
[19:14] <Elliria> Hey there, I recently installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04.4 LTS (Xenial) and am not getting the tilde files that are usually automatically created when you edit text files with Pluma. It doesn't seem to be a Pluma issue because they're also not being created with Geany. Is there a global setting somewhere for this?
[19:15] <ozbrk> sorry for my English Im on the live session now and Ive got Turkish keyboard
[19:15] <EriC^^> ozbrk: are you talking about /boot ? or the bios boot the error message is talking about?
[19:15] <ozbrk> commas and other marks have gone missing for now
[19:15] <EriC^^> cause those are completely different
[19:15] <Doow> Elliria: can you create files otherwise?
[19:16] <ozbrk> Eric Ive got no idea Ive just copied the error over there
[19:16] <Elliria> Doow: Yes, I can create and save and move and copy and delete files normally. It's just that the tilde files are missing.
[19:16] <EriC^^> ozbrk: ok, for the error message you need to create a tiny partition 1-2mb and select the type as "bios boot reserved"
[19:16] <EriC^^> 2mb is more than enough
[19:17] <ozbrk> ok and should I delete the existing boot partition (question mark)
[19:17] <EriC^^> you don't need to have a separate /boot partition for ubuntu, it's easier to just have /boot part of the main filesystem
[19:17] <pragmaticenigma> tilde files are often hidden by the file manager... is it possible you not seeing hidden files in your file viewer? Elliria
[19:18] <Elliria> pragmaticenigma: That's just it. I made sure hidden files were visible and the tilde files simply aren't there. It's odd.
[19:18] <ozbrk> I will just add root filesystem and let the system build on it 33gigs it seperated from wintoast for this
[19:19] <sere> i just plugged in a second hdmi and its not showing up in arandr do i need to restart or is there a way to refresh the card or something
[19:19] <sere> nevermind
[19:19] <sere> forgot i disabled it haha
[19:19] <implite> how to i get my unity back on? is there some command that we can see what is going on? when i type unity to start it... it has errors now and it didnt have any problems about 2 hours ago
[19:19] <Elliria> I've only had this OS installed for a couple of weeks and haven't done much to it. Just the usual theme choices, installing a few favorite programs (like Geany and Meld, etc.). Also, any configuration choices I've made were done with the default interfaces that are available in the menu.
[19:20] <EriC^^> Elliria: do they show up in "ls -a /path" ?
[19:21] <implite> un
[19:21] <Elliria> EriC^^: Oooh, I didn't think to check that. One moment.
[19:21] <Elliria> EriC^^: No. They simply don't exist.
[19:22] <implite> unity
[19:22] <implite> compizconfig - Info: Backend     : gsettings
[19:22] <implite> compizconfig - Info: Integration : true
[19:22] <implite> compizconfig - Info: Profile     : unity-lowgfx
[19:22] <implite> (process:2368): GLib-GIO-WARNING **: g_settings_set_value: value for key 'visual-bell-type' in schema 'org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences' is outside of valid range
[19:22] <EriC^^> Elliria: maybe they got deleted? anything in ~/.local/share/Trash/files ?
[19:22] <ozbrk> eric Im quitting and terminating the installation immeddiately as far as a read it is too dangerous to move on. Windows has installed on uefi on this system
[19:22] <implite> Switched to profile 'unity' (for environment 'ubuntu')
[19:22] <kostkon> !paste | implite
[19:23] <EriC^^> ozbrk: aha, if you already have windows on the os, then boot the live usb in uefi mode and install alongside windows
[19:24] <ozbrk> oh is that all... ok hang on for a sec
[19:24] <implite> ok so now im muted?
[19:24] <implite> guess not
[19:24] <ozbrk> implite we can still read you my friend
[19:24] <implite> ok
[19:24] <Elliria> My steps for our test: Open a text file in Pluma. Change something. Click File. Click Save. Close the file. Open the file manager (with Show hidden files enabled in the View menu) and check the desktop. No tilde files. Open the terminal. Change to the desktop. Type ls -a. No hidden files. It's really odd.
[19:25] <implite> maybe i can install xfce or something lighter now
[19:25] <implite> other than unity
[19:27] <implite> what is the package for xfce?
[19:28] <lajos> firefox
[19:28] <oerheks>  xfce4 or try xubuntu-desktop
[19:29] <implite> kk thanks
[19:29] <energizer> I have installed the gnome extensions chrome extension and chrome-gnome-shell, but when I go to extensions.gnome.org i dont get the install button. What's missing?
[19:30] <erasmus> Morty, this is, uh, Unity. We sort of used to, uh...date.
[19:31] <implite> kk ill give it a try thanks oerheks
[19:33] <TJ-> Doow: any progress?
[19:33] <ozbrk_> Im bakc again now on uefi mood of ubuntu live sessin
[19:33] <ozbrk_> eric are you still there
[19:33] <EriC^^> yup
[19:33] <ozbrk_> ok lets give a shot
[19:34] <EriC^^> uefi mood, i like that :D
[19:34] <ozbrk_> Im so uefi moody
[19:34] <ozbrk_> today
[19:34] <EriC^^> haha
[19:35] <ozbrk_> other me is dead
[19:35] <ozbrk_> mourning to him
[19:36] <EriC^^> :D
[19:36] <ozbrk_> now it gave me an alongside option
[19:36] <ozbrk_> oooooh interesting
[19:36] <ozbrk_> it also recognizes the touchpad now
[19:36] <Doow> TJ-: Turns out "network stack" was disabled in the bios, so that's a big facepalm right there. bad news is that haven't been able to boot into "try ubuntu" again after. But I'm not sure if it's related. The machine is doing something, I just get no visual feedback after grub and some early boot logging.
[19:37] <EriC^^> ozbrk_: nice :D
[19:37] <ozbrk_> Keyboard set and all of the marks are here now :D
[19:37] <TJ-> Doow: Well that's progress if you've found it was disabled! Can you intercept the boot manager (GRUB) by tapping Esc whilst starting ??
[19:37] <ozbrk_> finally I've done it! Thanks to you Eric
[19:38] <Doow> TJ-: yeah, I need to put nomodeset in there to get graphics at all.
[19:38] <TJ-> !cookie | EriC^^
[19:38] <sere> ln -s autostart ~/.config/lxsession/autostart
[19:38] <EriC^^> ozbrk_: i barely did anything :P but glad it's working :D
[19:39] <TJ-> Doow: OK, if whilst the OS is starting you're getting the Plymouth-controlled splash screen you should be able to dismiss that and see kernel/init messages by tapping Esc
[19:39] <EriC^^> ozbrk_: enjoy ubuntu it's pretty awesome
[19:39] <ozbrk_> Still I hope this alongside option won't ruin my whole windows and accutaly I'm hoping  that Ubuntu devs have done something to make dualbooting easier
[19:40] <ozbrk_> can't wait to see what's new on the system
[19:41] <ozbrk_> I will start to learn front end developing
[19:41] <EriC^^> cool
[19:42] <Doow> TJ-: I'm not sure what a Plymouth-controlled splash screen is, but when I put nomodeset in there I usually remove 'quiet' and 'splash' at the same time. After that I press f10. First it does some logging, then it switches to more fancy logging and after that the screen goes black. A while after that, if I'm lucky, I get a mousepointer and a gui.
[19:42] <ozbrk_> yah and way cooler thing is I've got a dual screen setup. You are on the bigger one now
[19:43] <TJ-> Doow: I was trying to slip into the conversation subtlely some knowledge :) 'plymouth' is the tool/project that handles the init-time splash screen and any user interactions, it displays the animated dots for example. Pressing Esc sends that away so you can view the console where the kernel and init system are writing messages, which is helpful to identify problems
[19:44]  * tomreyn considers EriC^^ important enough for ozbrk's large screen, too
[19:44] <EriC^^> lol
[19:44] <TJ-> Doow: if you've reached the mousepointer and GUI that's a good thing!
[19:44] <EriC^^> ozbrk_: nice
[19:44] <Doow> TJ-: aha =) Unfortunately no splash screen to dismiss.
[19:45] <TJ-> Doow: right, but you know for the future without needing to ask :p
[19:45] <TJ-> Doow: so do we have any more problems right now or is the installer starting to work?
[19:47] <Doow> TJ-: Enabling the network stack in bios doesn't seem to actually have given me any network right now. I'll go through the same steps I did before and see if I can diagnose it.
[19:48] <TJ-> Doow: OK, "lspci -nnk" to begin with
[19:49] <TJ-> Doow: if it is a bcm device you'll likely need the B43 drivers; the PCI vendor:device ID at the right end of the lspci entries will tell us the exact drive required
[19:51] <Doow> TJ-: lspci still doesn't show anything that looks network related. It's a suspiciously short list of items imho
[19:51] <Doow> (I think identical to the image I posted before)
[19:51] <TJ-> Doow: I did see some info that if it isn't BCM but RealTek (RTL) it's connected on the SPIO bus
[19:52] <TJ-> Doow: same as this? https://imgur.com/a/nYKNK
[19:53] <Doow> yeah
[19:53] <jeremy31> TJ a SDIO Realtek
[19:54] <TJ-> Doow: if it does have the RTL SDIO then we'd need to see in the lspci the Intel Atom SDIO controller which we don't
[19:54] <TJ-> Doow: this is where the ACPI issue I referred to earlier might come in
[19:55] <Doow> TJ-: yeah, that starts to sound likely. Do you have any idea of how to go about that?
[19:55] <TJ-> Doow: usually we deal with this by adding an entry to the kernel command-line of the form acpi_osi= ... and save it in /etc/default/grub but for the installer we obviously can't do that. What we have to do is identify the value required and then you add it manually to the kernel command line when the installer boots
[19:56] <TJ-> Doow: oh yes - I've written the book on this, literally! Read this to get some background but don't try to run the script or commands because we need to do that part manually
[19:56] <TJ-> Doow: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[19:57] <Doow> TJ-: Thanks, I'll be back in a little bit =)
[19:59] <luis_> holaa
[19:59] <luis_> todpps son usuarops? linux
[19:59] <oerheks> luis_, english only please
[19:59] <TJ-> Doow: the key part is to discover the optimum setting for your system, using "sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep -i windows  | sort" and use what appears to be the latest version, so you would end up adding to the kernel command-line: acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows XXXX"  (note the double quotes are required as shown)
[20:03] <chris26> hi. How could I export the output of commands I seeing through the command 'watch' in files?
[20:07] <ioria> cristian_c, watch = ncurses , i think you can't, but i could be wrong
[20:09] <chuck_> hello world
[20:09] <mark_john> hi everyone
[20:09] <TJ-> chris26: pipe the output of the commands through 'tee -a /tmp/watch.log' maybe?
[20:09] <mark_john> hey, u wont believe
[20:10] <mark_john> my graphical interface is broken so i use my linux in the terminal mode
[20:10] <mark_john> ive installed ubuntu-desktop utile
[20:10] <chuck_> checking out bananapi with matia
[20:11] <mark_john> hey
[20:11] <chris26> TJ-, that's still not working. I am getting only the final output on watch.log
[20:11] <mark_john> is smne gonna answer me
[20:11] <mark_john> ?
[20:11] <mark_john> i think im alone here
[20:11] <TJ-> chris26: how exactly are you formatting the command?
[20:12] <mark_john> in the startup
[20:12] <mark_john> u can type ctr+alt+f1
[20:12] <chris26> TJ-, sudo watch <command> | tee -a watch.log
[20:12] <mark_john> to enter boot terminal
[20:12] <chuck_> ok this was fun im out seeya
[20:13] <TJ-> chris26: ahh, no, you're piping the final output of watch with that, try this: "watch -n 2 sh -c 'date | tee -a /tmp/watch.log' "
[20:13] <god_> Hell0
[20:13] <TJ-> chris26: you need to use the pipe /inside/ the shell that watch executes
[20:13] <ioria> chris26, or try with a while loop
[20:13] <skinux> A guy in #nginx told me to figure out my problem myself. I'm getting white screen of death and no error log data. He mentioned doing something with /etc/proc, but I don't know what to do.
[20:13] <mark_john> god_: yo
[20:14] <mark_john> does someone know his disk's path, like /dev/sdb5
[20:15] <skinux> That is a typical disk path, it's been my root for like the past 3 installations.
[20:15] <TJ-> skinux: white screen of death where? when booting?
[20:15] <skinux> Nah, in web browser, from local web server.
[20:15] <TJ-> skinux: oh! well that sounds very server-specific :)
[20:15] <skinux> I'm hoping someone can tell me how using /etc/proc will help troubleshoot.
[20:16] <chris26> TJ-, thank you so much, that worked! :)
[20:16] <god_> Partition, USB device, ssd/hard drive, local server,
[20:16] <leftyfb> skinux: it won't, since there's no such thing as /etc/proc
[20:16] <TJ-> skinux: there is no /etc/proc ... do you mean /proc/ which is the pseudo file-system the kernel presents so you can see/control it's internals?
[20:16] <TJ-> chris26: Yay :)
[20:16] <resit> selam
[20:16] <leftyfb> skinux: what does nginx have to do with "the white screen of death"?
[20:17] <TJ-> leftyfb: I presume tnginx isn't serving a page and yet isn't reporting an error in it's log
[20:17] <leftyfb> ah
[20:17] <leftyfb> sounds like a #php issue to me
[20:17] <skinux> OKay
[20:18] <TJ-> skinux: is there any response from the server? have you (from the client) tried: "wget -S -O - http://server/"
[20:18] <leftyfb> also could turn on debug in php
[20:18] <TJ-> oh, gone! that was quick
[20:18] <leftyfb> no patience that one
[20:18] <resit> selam
[20:18] <leftyfb> resit: can we help you with something?
[20:18] <resit> where are you from turkey
[20:19] <leftyfb> resit: no. resit do you have an ubuntu support question?
[20:22] <Doow> TJ-: Adding those lines doesn't seem to have changed anything either (lspci still shows the same thing, rfkill doesn't list anything and pressing fn+f3 doesn't change anything either). I added acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows XXXX" after nomodeset, before the three dashes, was that the right place?
[20:22] <TJ-> Doow: did you replace the XXXX with the value from your system??
[20:22] <Doow> 2015, yes
[20:22] <leftyfb> Doow: tried going into the bios and making sure wifi is enabled and then disabling the hotkeys to turn off the radio?
[20:23] <TJ-> Doow: phew! OK, so many people enter XXXX literally.
[20:23] <TJ-> leftyfb: Doow found the network was disabled in firmware earlier and enabled it
[20:23] <Doow> TJ-: sorry, I'm being sloppy
[20:23] <leftyfb> odd
[20:23] <TJ-> Doow: it might be worth re-checking in case the firmware disabled it again!
[20:24] <Doow> leftyfb: it probably was my fault, I had to disable a bunch of stuff to get grub to boot at all, so I probably did one too many....
[20:24] <Doow> TJ-: good thinking
[20:24]  * TJ- would like to send Acer to sit on the naughty step for all the problems they cause with their buggy firmware
[20:24] <Younder> Me I needed an obscure atheros driver when my wifi didn't work
[20:24] <Doow> I need to eat something, I'll be back in while
[20:25] <Doow> Thanks for all the time you're putting into this.
[20:25] <TJ-> Doow: try a 'factory default reset' in firmware maybe, then only change the bits required to boot S.B. off I presume)
[20:26] <TJ-> Younder: right, but you actually had a network device to add a driver to :D
[20:26] <AuroraAvenue> I am looking for a single player Ubuntu game for Sunday night - Which one should I play for free ?
[20:26] <AuroraAvenue>
[20:26] <TJ-> AuroraAvenue: One I love is 'ping localhost' gives me hours of entertainment :P
[20:27] <AuroraAvenue> How ?
[20:27] <TJ-> AuroraAvenue: sorry, I was jesting... I find it addictive watching ping replies :)
[20:28] <luka_33> TJ if you're into that check out tcpdump
[20:28] <AuroraAvenue> OKAY ! but what game should I play ?
[20:28] <TJ-> luka_33: How did you know my favorite!?
[20:28] <luka_33> tcpdump "hostname" is neat to dig through
[20:28] <leftyfb> AuroraAvenue: progress quest
[20:28] <TJ-> luka_33: I can read libpcap output in my sleep
[20:28] <geirha> nethack
[20:28] <luka_33> lmfao took me a while to find that program.
[20:28] <luka_33> ironically because I saw something similar in windows
[20:29] <luka_33> and wanted the linux equivolent
[20:29] <TJ-> luka_33: yes, tcpdump and ss are extremely useful low-level diagnostic tools
[20:29] <AuroraAvenue> you're all just hackers :(
[20:29] <luka_33> ss?  Not encountered that before
[20:29] <luka_33> Single player game?
[20:29] <TJ-> luka_33: it's the modern more capable replacement to netstat
[20:29] <leftyfb> AuroraAvenue: this is a support channel.
[20:30] <luka_33> Play dwarf fortress
[20:30] <luka_33> it's even in the repo
[20:30] <luka_33> and TJ good scheisse, I'll check it out
[20:30] <AuroraAvenue> I want an arcade game , please ?
[20:30] <leftyfb> AuroraAvenue: try #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:30] <luka_33> Erm
[20:30] <luka_33> Sorry mate, I don't actually use Ubuntu
[20:30] <geirha> supertux then
[20:30] <leftyfb> luka_33: why are you here if you don't run ubuntu?
[20:31] <AuroraAvenue> boobs.
[20:31] <leftyfb> !op | AuroraAvenue
[20:31] <Budgii> Question on the wifi connection.. it's wheeling constantly, but it's connected. maybe just a glitch.
[20:31] <luka_33> Curiousity, helping noobs, learning stuff
[20:31] <luka_33> mostly learning
[20:32] <TJ-> Budgii: that sometimes happens if the DHCP lease isn't gained
[20:32] <TJ-> Budgii: other times it can be if a VPN is configured to auto-connect and that isn't completing
[20:32] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb, please don't misuse the !op command
[20:32] <luka_33> open a terminal and use wifi-menu:>
[20:32] <leftyfb> Budgii: TJ-: I've seen Network Manager do that even though the connection was fine
[20:32] <Budgii> Okay, strange it just went away. it's always there I swear LOL
[20:32] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: oh? Got another way to report trolls to ops?
[20:32] <Budgii> maybe it just needed a refresh
[20:33] <TJ-> Budgii: it might be there was some follow-up IPv6 stuff going on, sometimes that can delay final completition
[20:33] <Flannel> pragmaticenigma, leftyfb: it's all good.
[20:33] <pragmaticenigma> you ignore them leftyfb ... they ain't got bite unless you let them
[20:33] <TJ-> Budgii: if you're intrgued you can check /var/log/syslog - Network Manager is extremely verbose in there as to what it is doing
[20:34] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: ok, I'll continue to use "!"op as needed then
[20:34] <luka_33> If you want a weird bug, my router runs perfectly with linux; but when I boot into my teeny windows partition the router starts a reconnect loop
[20:34] <luka_33> Only stops when I disable/enable the ethernet connection
[20:34] <luka_33> bloody weird
[20:34] <luka_33> So thanks linuxs; I guess.
[20:34] <Budgii> TJ-, have read enough verbose text for the last week xD how just type in terminal `/var/log/syslog - Network Manager'?
[20:35] <TJ-> Budgii: if you want to 'watch' the messages as they come in: "tail -f /var/log/syslog"
[20:35] <nmrp3> hi - I think my usb microphone is killing my computer's USB subsystem
[20:35] <nmrp3> I have logs
[20:35] <TJ-> nmrp3: sounds painful
[20:35] <pragmaticenigma> nmrp3, does the computer behave when the USB audio device is removed?
[20:36] <nmrp3> yea - it is - once usb crashes I can't get anything on usb to work - plugging in a new keyboard to a new usb port doesn't work
[20:36] <Budgii> TJ- actually has a bunch of connections failing, but i'm not having any issues
[20:36] <nmrp3> pragmaticenigma: I'm still trying to work that out, but it does seem to crash more reliably with the microphone in
[20:36] <pragmaticenigma> nmrp3, that doesn't quite answer the question. if you unplug the microphone, does the computer return to a usable state?
[20:37] <leguetteur>  /msg NickServ REGISTER
[20:37] <pragmaticenigma> leguetteur, if you are trying to register, remove the space at the beginning of the line
[20:37] <TJ-> nmrp3: does the USB audio device work in another PC? does it require external power maybe?
[20:37] <Budgii> TJ-, holy moly it's erroring out a lot. still doing stuff
[20:37] <TJ-> Budgii: right, so now you have clues yes?
[20:37] <ExpensiveWiiW> hello
[20:38] <pragmaticenigma> Budgii, some error messages are normal
[20:38] <nmrp3> https://pastebin.com/XRUKDEkV
[20:38] <leguetteur> pragmaticenigma, thx
[20:38] <ExpensiveWiiW> can I disable op-in collect data in ubuntu news recently?
[20:38] <nmrp3> pragmaticenigma: No, once it is broken it remains broken until I reboot
[20:38] <Budgii> CTRL-EVENT-SSID-TEMP-DISABLED id=0 ssid="CupOWiFi" auth_failures=2 duration=20 reason=CONN_FAILED
[20:38] <Budgii> seeing that a lot
[20:39] <nmrp3> the usb microphone sometimes works fine
[20:42] <nmrp3> from the log it looks like something panicks and then unregisters everything
[20:42] <pragmaticenigma> Budgii, WiFi is a race condition environment. if more than one device tries to talk at a time, they block each other. the protocol will try again after random time
[20:43] <pragmaticenigma> nmrp3, the usb microphone doesn't support the computer entering a power save state
[20:43] <Budgii> pragmaticenigma, i'll just take that as a system 'error' that I can ignore.. :)
[20:43] <pragmaticenigma> nmrp3, or the USB controller doesn't support the computer entering a power save state
[20:44] <pragmaticenigma> nmrp3, if it more readily happens when the USB microphone is plugged in. I would suspect it's the microphone. And the solution there is to not leave the microphone plugged in unless you are using it
[20:45] <nmrp3> pragmaticenigma:  you can see from the timings of the log that I was using it and there wasn't time for the computer to head towards hibernation or suspend
[20:45] <nmrp3> do you mean something else by power save?
[20:46] <TJ-> nmrp3: you should ask in #ubuntu+a since it's 18.04
[20:47] <nmrp3> JT: it was doing the same on 17.10
[20:48] <TJ-> nmrp3: I'd rather suspect it's trying to draw too much current from the ports and the chipset is shutting down to protect itself. Best to check /var/log/kern.log
[20:48] <pragmaticenigma> TJ-, do you mean #ubuntu+1 ??
[20:49] <ozbrk> hi guys after travelling a little around the ubuntu 17.04 I decided to remove it and install ubuntu LTS instead which I expected a lot less errors. What do you think about the new release
[20:50] <pragmaticenigma> nmrp3, like TJ- mentioned since you're on 18.04 you may receive better help in #ubuntu+1 ... If the microphone has an external power supply, try hooking that up to the microphone. It is possible it's trying to draw more current than the computer is designed for
[20:50] <pragmaticenigma> ozbrk, we don't know about the new release, since it hasn't been released yet.
[20:51] <nmrp3> https://pastebin.com/LyRB4M9A
[20:52] <nmrp3> OK thanks - I'll see if it can be powered - that's my kernel logs - looks like xhci_hcd is panicking
[20:52] <cristian_c> ioria: maybe, you was talking to another user
[20:54] <implite> can anyone help me with this?
[20:54] <implite> https://pastebin.com/j0qtUvyW
[20:54] <implite> my unity is crashing
[20:55] <kostkon> implite, you could try resetting unity/compiz
[20:55] <implite> sure give me the command and ill try it
[20:56] <pragmaticenigma> cristian_c, if it's been more than an hour or two, you might need to repeat your question to room to help refresh the topic
[20:57] <slicktux> So, I've just installed ubuntu on my system and its running fine, thus far, but I'm noticing that when I do ls /dev/sd* I only get sda and sda1; is that normal for the default install of ubunutu? What happened to sda2 and 3?
[20:58] <pragmaticenigma> slicktux, It depends on how the drive was formatted. It is normal to only have one partition on the drive
[20:58] <kostkon> implite, dconf reset -f /org/compiz/   also  unity --reset-icons   then unity   or  setsid unity
[20:59] <slicktux> pragmaticenigma: Well, yes I understand that the /boo can be mounted during boot; I was just wondering if that was default behavior for a fresh install; I just used the whole drive
[20:59] <sunrunner20> brilliant.
[20:59] <sunrunner20> what was the last version of ubuntu that'd actually run on ESXi?
[21:00] <sunrunner20> current version just locks up after a few minutes
[21:01] <implite> Kostkon it gave me process:3395 glib-gio-warning outside of valid range
[21:01] <implite> when i ran unity --reset-icons
[21:01] <kostkon> implite, ignore it, at least for now
[21:02] <pragmaticenigma> what version of Ubuntu slicktux ?
[21:03] <implite> Koston when i try unity command it fails to start job
[21:03] <implite> oops
[21:03] <implite> kostkon
[21:03] <kostkon> implite, what about sesid unity
[21:03] <kostkon> setsid unity*
[21:04] <implite> no package found
[21:04] <pragmaticenigma> slicktux, I only have /dev/sda1 in my Ubuntu 16.04 installation.
[21:04] <implite> kk i see there is a typo
[21:04] <implite> ill try setsid unity
[21:05] <implite> same thing.. job failed to start
[21:07] <kostkon> implite, same error?
[21:07] <implite> yes
[21:08] <kostkon> implite, you could try reinstalling ubuntu-desktop
[21:08] <implite> how do i do that?
[21:08] <kostkon> implite, sudo apt-get clean  and then  sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop --reinstall
[21:08] <implite> ok
[21:09] <bugzbunny> Hello, is anyone having issue importing music into Banshee? It's crashing here with free() invalid pointer?
[21:09] <implite> ok i did it
[21:10] <implite> now what restart or?
[21:10] <kostkon> implite, better reboot just in case
[21:10] <implite> ok
[21:10] <tomreyn> bugzbunny: run it with ubuntu-bug and create a bug report
[21:10] <implite> ill be back thanks!
[21:11] <bugzbunny> I already created a bug report, can ubuntu-bug pick up on the bug you already created?
[21:12] <bugzbunny> To send in more information?
[21:12] <implite> Kostkon: its still the same thing... it just loads x and not unity
[21:12] <nmrp3> ok it looks like perhaps I was plugging too many usb devices through the one usb port on the computer
[21:12] <leftyfb> bugzbunny: look at man ubuntu-bug
[21:12] <pragmaticenigma> yeah, nmrp3 that would likely do it
[21:12] <nmrp3> I've spread them about a bit more, with the microphone on its own usb3 socket rathr than sharing a hub
[21:12] <kostkon> implite, same error?
[21:12] <tomreyn> bugzbunny: you can save its output to a file and append that to your bug report: ubuntu-bug --save=/tmp/banshee.txt banshee
[21:13] <leftyfb> tomreyn: man ubuntu-bug shows how to add information to an exiting bug report
[21:13] <implite> well i think so.. when i reboot it does not show me error but yes i think its the same
[21:14] <tomreyn> bugzbunny: right, do as leftyfb says
[21:14] <nmrp3> mm, now I'm getting "error: alsa-input: snd_pcm_hw_params_set_format failed: Invalid argument"
[21:14] <bugzbunny> I was trying with apport with no sucess, will try with ubuntu-bug
[21:14] <tomreyn> bugzbunny: it's the same application
[21:15] <implite> kostkon i also installed now xfce4 just to see if it would work and when i try xfce4 command it gives me some error too
[21:15] <bugzbunny> I tried --save filename, but from your description, looks like --save=filename, as far as adding to already filed bug report. I'll go over the man page again
[21:16] <kostkon> implite, can you get to the login screen?
[21:16] <tomreyn> bugzbunny: just: ubuntu-bug banshee
[21:17] <tomreyn> bugzbunny: actually it is: apport-collect BUGID
[21:17] <tomreyn> bugzbunny: sorry for the confusion
[21:17] <supernovah> Whats the escape for the exit code of the last command
[21:18] <supernovah> IS it $?
[21:18] <implite> kostkon: with ctl+alt+f7 ? no i cant because that key command is not working in x i think
[21:18] <kostkon> implite, where do you end up after a reboot?
[21:19] <tomreyn> supernovah: i'm not sure what you mean by escape, but "echo $?" does return the exit code of the previously executed command
[21:19] <supernovah> Well what is `$?` called
[21:19] <supernovah> OIt
[21:19] <implite> kostkon i have it to autologin so i goto x now... but until like 2 hours ago i was always going into unity just fine
[21:19] <supernovah> It's a variable called `question mark` ?
[21:19] <tomreyn> supernovah: i don't know whether it has a name
[21:20] <kostkon> implite, and what happened in the meantime?
[21:20] <implite> kostkon: i watched a video on youtube and then turned off computer and then this happened
[21:20] <kostkon> implite, interesting
[21:22] <bugzbunny> tomreyn: Yeah, was looking at taht too
[21:22] <implite> kostkon is there a way i can start xfce4 ? i have installed it just to see if it would also fail but idk how to start it from commands
[21:22] <bugzbunny> So reportnumber is not apportnumber but the actual bug report number
[21:22] <tomreyn> bugzbunny: right
[21:23] <pragmaticenigma> nmrp3, if the devices are working, you can probably ignore that error message
[21:24] <kostkon> implite, what's your graphics card? also have oyu checked your logs for any other errors, including .xsession-errors.
[21:24] <kostkon> implite, firstly, try a  sudo service lightdm restart
[21:24] <implite> kostkon its amd laptop
[21:25] <nmrp3> arecord -L to list all devices and pasted in the 'default' of that into OBS, and now it works
[21:25] <supernovah> After running `sudo make install`, I presume this source code informed the operating system somehow that it exists, besides just creating a binary or symlink in `/usr/local/bin`. How does it do that and how can I determine if the system knows it is installed
[21:26] <supernovah> That is after an autoconfigure script generated the makefile btw
[21:36] <implite> kostkon: i turned off my autologin and then restarted and got into guest account then unity works however when i switch back to my main account it fails
[21:36] <bugzbunny> Is it possible to see bug reports you submit? On bugzilla, I typically just go to 'My Bugs'
[21:37] <bugzbunny> Ahh, I figured it out
[21:37] <kostkon> implite, try resetting compiz and unity again, and this time also gnome with  rm -rf .gnome2/ .gnome2_private/ .config/ .gconfd/ .gconf/ .gnome/
[21:38] <implite> ok what command do i run first?
[21:38] <kostkon> implite, will not make a difference
[21:39] <cristian_c> pragmaticenigma: I've not asked no questions today
[21:39] <cristian_c> -not
[21:40] <pragmaticenigma> cristian_c, no worries... just seemed random at the time
[21:42] <implite> kostkon: wowowowow you got it!!!1
[21:42] <implite> hehehehe!
[21:42] <kostkon> implite, nice
[21:43] <implite> well its not all there yet
[21:43] <implite> but let me restart
[21:43] <kostkon> implite, you've lost your customisations
[21:43] <implite> thats fine
[21:43] <implite> ill fix it later
[21:43] <implite> brb and ill let you know what has happened
[21:43] <kostkon> implite, ok
[21:43] <implite> restarting
[21:47] <Guest34236> kostkon yes!!! you rule man! what was the last command you gave me?
[21:48] <kostkon> Guest34236, this one? rm -rf .gnome2/ .gnome2_private/ .config/ .gconfd/ .gconf/ .gnome/
[21:48] <kostkon> oops
[21:48] <kostkon> implite,
[21:48] <implite> ya im going to save that one
[21:49] <implite> thanks!!!! that saved me from reinstalling everything
[21:49] <implite> i really didnt want to do that
[21:50] <kostkon> implite, np. oh also make a note of the other two i gave you: dconf reset -f /org/compiz/   and   unity --reset-icons
[21:50] <implite> it still kinda does not explain how it happened to me i think but im not bothered
[21:52] <kostkon> implite, if it happens again then it surely will be a good time to start investigating it
[21:53] <AdamEternal> Is there a way to get Steam to work on pre-SSE3 processors?
[21:53] <TJ-> kostkon: we've been seeing that alot recently - the other day I had a user that fixed it by removing $HOME/.cache/
[21:54] <AdamEternal> I'll see how that goes.
[21:54] <AdamEternal> Thanks in advance.
[21:54] <kostkon> TJ-, we've had some unity compiz updates coming in recently might not be a coincidence
[21:54] <implite> kostkon: sure np! atleast i could use hexchat from terminal and other things. I think ill start backing up all my stuff also encase of some kind of other failures
[21:56] <kostkon> implite, hint: sudo snap install hexchat (in case you are using the one from the repos) will get you the latest version  you'll have to set it up again though
[21:57] <implite> whats snap??? is that replacement for apt-get?
[21:57] <Kon-> a Snap is kind of like an .msi on Windows
[21:58] <Kon-> You download it and it installs everything the application needs
[21:58] <TJ-> implite: no! it's an alternative for self-contained applications that can't be bothered, or are unable, to integrate properly with the system libraries
[21:58] <TJ-> implite: snap is a wrapper around LXD containers
[21:58] <implite> Wow soooo much to learn
[21:58] <implite> haha
[21:58] <implite> thanks guys!
[21:59] <bugzbunny> snap install everything an application needs?
[22:00] <bugzbunny> Is that correct? I had assumed snap was self contained
[22:00] <Moshe> I can't change sound volume from the keyboard or headset. Only from the GUI. What am I missing?
[22:00] <implite> ya all the dependencies?
[22:00] <bugzbunny> Okay, TJ replied and answered
[22:00] <Frjd> Is it bad practice to install a .deb intended for a newer release of ubuntu? i.e from launchpad?
[22:02] <Kon-> bugzbunny, it is self-contained
[22:02] <luka_33> I think that's the idea
[22:02] <luka_33> Normally installing something you install it's dependencies as well
[22:03] <luka_33> But with snap you'd get all that in one package
[22:03] <cheguacamole> implite Konversation is my favourite irc chat protocol so far. I've really whored them all and I'm a nooby too. The online manual is excellent.
[22:04] <luka_33> w e e c h a t
[22:04] <implite> is there something wrong with my hexchat im using now?
[22:04] <luka_33> no, you're good dude
[22:04] <implite> i dont understand
[22:04] <luka_33> If it works for you than it works for you.
[22:04] <cheguacamole> weechat is almost as hard to manage as irssi :)
[22:05] <implite> lol i come from talksoup and mirc
[22:05] <bugzbunny> Yeah, it solves, it should always works vs taking extra space
[22:05] <luka_33> no it's not!
[22:05] <luka_33> It's m i n i m a l
[22:05] <implite> so hexchat is like way better
[22:05] <CarlFK> anyone have any advice on setting up an anonymous ftp server?  (I used proftpd  6 years ago, not sure where my conf files are...)
[22:06] <bugzbunny> CarlFK: Uh, I am trying to think what I used my torrent server
[22:06] <bugzbunny> vsftpd
[22:07] <bugzbunny> It's pretty light weight and pretty easy imho to setup a quick and dirty anon ftp server
[22:07] <implite> hmm how do i turn on my chat logging in hexchat again however?
[22:07] <bugzbunny> Should be safe for the most part if you plan to put it on the interwebs
[22:07] <cheguacamole> hexchat has it's own channel
[22:07] <pragmaticenigma> hey everyone, let's move these topics to the offtopic room. #ubuntu-offtopic is a better place
[22:07] <implite> ill ask there then
[22:07] <bob_> I have Windows 10 on a Drive 1 under C partition. I have another partition also on Drive 1 that I just installed Ubuntu 16.04 on. I installed it with a "/" mount point, When I boot my computer up, I don't get asked which OS I'd like to use, it auto boots into windows 10. How do I get presented with a choice without having to press F11 all the time for the boot menu
[22:08] <cheguacamole> try /msg ALIS list *hexchat*
[22:08] <Moshe> I can't change sound volume from the keyboard or headset. Only from the GUI. What am I missing?
[22:08] <Frjd> Is there any potential harm in installing a .deb from launchpad intended for a newer release of Ubuntu?
[22:09] <pragmaticenigma> Frjd, yes, there is harm
[22:10] <pragmaticenigma> Frjd, what are you trying to install?
[22:10] <Frjd> Rofi, the version in 17.10 is 1.3 something, I tried building from source but I'm missing package 'check' and googling doesn't give me anything
[22:11] <Frjd> Bionic Beaver package is version 1.5-01 which is the latest
[22:11] <bugzbunny> Frjd: dependency hell
[22:11] <bugzbunny> But if it doesn't rely on so much, it could get away with it
[22:11] <pragmaticenigma> Frjd, Bionic Beaver will be released in the next month. Surely you can wait a little while longer for mainstream supprt?
[22:11] <bob_> Anyone know?
[22:12] <pragmaticenigma> bugzbunny, don't recommend that... it could have unintended consequences and really make a mess of things
[22:12] <Frjd> Need my new features today :P
[22:12] <tomreyn> !latest
[22:13] <Frjd> Okay, so long story short, not recommended. Do you have any idea what package this check program might be in?
[22:13] <kostkon> Frjd, which one?
[22:14] <pragmaticenigma> Frjd, is there something about the newest version that you are looking for?
[22:14] <bugzbunny> pragmaticenigma: okay, people might be desprate
[22:14] <TJ-> Frjd: apt-cache depends -i rofo indicates the dependencies in 18.04 are much more extensive than in 17.10, so I suspect you'll have problems
[22:14] <bugzbunny> I feel, they should atleast understand
[22:14] <Frjd> It has icon support in the launcher
[22:14] <TJ-> oops, rofi, not rofo
[22:14] <bugzbunny> Instead of just NO
[22:14] <tomreyn> Frjd: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=check&mode=exactfilename&suite=artful&arch=any
[22:14] <kostkon> !info rofi artful
[22:14] <pragmaticenigma> bugzbunny, better to confirm that it is urgent than risk angering someone by making their computer unusable
[22:16] <pragmaticenigma> Frjd, the icon support may only work in a new versions of the desktop environments. seems like a big risk for a visual enhancement
[22:17] <Frjd> Yeah, no I'm not risking breaking my system, however I'm using the latest version of the WM so it's probably going to work if I build it from source
[22:18] <Frjd> Just need to find out which `check` it needs none of those that tomreyn linked seems to fit except keyringer maybe
[22:18] <pragmaticenigma> Frjd, If your comfortable building it yourself, I feel that would be a safer route
[22:18] <bugzbunny> Right
[22:18] <bugzbunny> Much safer
[22:18] <TJ-> Frjd: ensure you can install the rofi build-depends for the 18.04 package; 'check' will be in one of those
[22:18] <bugzbunny> But it might be hell if the program you are trying to compile need specific code that you don't have
[22:19] <pragmaticenigma> learning experience
[22:19] <Frjd> I have all those packages though
[22:20] <pragmaticenigma> Frjd, the risk is that the .deb may instruct the install of a supporting library that deprecates or removes support for something in older versions of your system. You may have luck in reaching out to the developer to see if they have any recommendations
[22:21] <pragmaticenigma> Frjd, on how to compile and build for the Ubuntu version you are using... may also want to check their forums
[22:22] <Frjd> There are install instructions on the github page with build dependencies, I've installed all those though
[22:22] <TJ-> Frjd: on 18.04 'check' is a unit test framework
[22:22] <TJ-> !info check bionic
[22:23] <CarlFK> bugzbunny: thanks - found https://wiki.debian.org/vsftpd  "anonymous_enable=YES"  that looks easy enough ;)
[22:23] <Frjd> TJ-, thanks
[22:32] <heartmeat> find tara westov
[22:32] <heartmeat> @find tara westov
[22:37] <leftyfb> heartmeat: can we help you with something?
[22:38] <heartmeat> no - apologies, wrong tab
[22:38] <leftyfb> ya think?
[22:41] <CarlFK> anonymous ftp server behind nat.  trying to make it easy for people to send me files.  do I need to forward more than port 21?
[22:41] <leftyfb> CarlFK: no
[22:42] <TJ-> CarlFK: not if the server/client do PASV mode
[22:43] <pragmaticenigma> I thought it was port mode?
[22:43] <TJ-> CarlFK: netfilters generally needs conntrack ftp modules loaded too
[22:43] <CarlFK> TJ-: that sounds familiar...
[22:44] <TJ-> 'real' FTP uses port 21 for control and port 20 (server->client) for data; PASV mode lets the client do the PASV initialisation (client>server)
[22:44] <bugzbunny> yeah
[22:44] <bugzbunny> The contrack will help
[22:45] <bugzbunny> The issue I've come across the most time, is the the client, I would have to readup PASV would do it?
[22:45] <bugzbunny> I had issues where PASV wasn't enough, PASV sends to the clients what ports to connect to right?
[22:46] <TJ-> bugzbunny: that's the idea, because the client is usually behind NAT, it can't accept incoming, so it initiates the data port connection
[22:46] <CarlFK> how do I "conntrack ftp modules loaded"
[22:46] <TJ-> but the NAT needs to be doing connection-tracking and allowing RELATED conections
[22:47] <bugzbunny> He is running the server
[22:47] <bugzbunny> So 20-21, and contract ftp should be modprobe
[22:47] <bugzbunny> I don't know the module name
[22:48] <CarlFK> I have this:  iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING --dst <IP_ADDRESS> -p tcp --dport 20 -j DNAT --to-destination <IP_ADDRESS>:20
[22:48] <CarlFK> client http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tD2xrJMhS3/
[22:49] <CarlFK> er, both 20 and 21
[22:49] <TJ-> CarlFK: "modprobe nf_conntrack_ftp; modprobe  nf_nat_ftp"
[22:50] <CarlFK> TJ-: progress!! 553 Could not create file.
[22:51] <TJ-> CarlFK: that's a server permissions issue
[22:51] <TJ-> CarlFK: review the server's log
[22:51] <Cyber_Akuma> Would anyone be able to recommend a Ubuntu tool to scan and repair ntfs drives?
[22:52] <bugzbunny> From ntfs-3g should be enough, I believe it's called ntfsfix
[22:52] <bugzbunny> But I would recommend simply boot into Windows and let windows fix it
[22:53] <bugzbunny> Keep in mind thought, what problem are you having? The fastboot, usually ntfs-3g mentions that in mount if that's the case
[22:54] <Frjd> Building from source was successful, check in the repos was too old but since it was just unit tests I managed to go into the configure script and disable the check
[22:54]  * CarlFK rages. 500 OOPS: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable root inside chroot()
[22:55] <bugzbunny> vsftpd is Very Secure FTPD
[22:55]  * TJ- thinks CarlFK hasn't correctly configured it :)
[22:55] <TJ-> bugzbunny: refusing to write is definitely very secure
[22:55] <CarlFK> where is "very easy to upload files" ftp ?p
[22:55] <TJ-> hehehe
[22:56] <bugzbunny> First, If I recall, I don't run vsftpd as root
[22:56] <TJ-> CarlFK: the reason for the security is that FTP uses plain text protocol which reveals passwords etc
[22:56] <bugzbunny> Especailly if you plan to put it on interwebs, all you have to make sure the user vsftpd is running as, is able to write to that directory
[22:57] <TJ-> CarlFK: always best to use some form of encryption, FTPS (using STARTTLS or pure TLS port)
[22:57] <bugzbunny> TJ-: He setting up anon ftp
[22:57] <TJ-> bugzbunny: ahhh... I'd use an HTTP server for that!
[22:57] <TJ-> guaranteed to work through NAt and firewalls, proxies, etc.
[22:59] <bugzbunny> I never setup filesharing with HTTP
[22:59] <bugzbunny> That's interesting
 But I would recommend simply boot into Windows and let windows fix it <--- Windows can't read the drive
[23:00] <Cyber_Akuma> But ubuntu can
[23:01] <bugzbunny> What do you mean Windows can't read the drive?
[23:02] <bugzbunny> So you can BOOT into Windows? If that's the case, the problem is more severe than that
[23:02] <bugzbunny> Is this a second drive?
[23:02] <SaliorMoonLT> Hi. I have a mild issue; trying to update the BIOS (Acer Swift 1 laptop; the BIOS updates are *.exe format (only 1 file)). I have spent the last ~13hrs trying everything under the sun. GRUB/GRUB2 + syslinux (memdisk) & grub2dos & unetbootin & MultiSystem & dd & Create Disk Startup & Burn Image. No avail. Any ideas?
[23:02] <Cyber_Akuma> It's an external drive
[23:03] <bugzbunny> Fix it with ntfsfix, then run another scan with Windows to double check, and check smart
[23:03] <SaliorMoonLT> I've been trying to boot up to FreeDOS from a USB stick.
[23:04] <SaliorMoonLT> There's another laptop locally here, which has  Windows 7: Pro on it. I've debated on borrowing it to use Rufus and trying that route (to burn the image of FreeDOS to the USB stick).
[23:04] <tomreyn> SaliorMoonLT: often those exe files ar ejust zip files with a PE header, you can just unpack them, grab the actual firmware update file, put this on a usb stick formatted with a fat32 file system, reboot, enter bios, and access the bios update form there.
[23:05] <SaliorMoonLT> tomreyn: I saw that in a forum post from various year dates. That is not the case, as far as I'm aware. I tried to run it with WINE even. No avail.
[23:05] <tomreyn> SaliorMoonLT: can you point me to the .exe?
[23:05] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: is the .exe a Windows executable, or a real-mode DIS exectuable?
[23:06] <Cyber_Akuma> bugzbunny: Do I need to get ntfsfix from the reposotories, or is that standard?
[23:06] <SaliorMoonLT> tomreyn: Give me one moment and I'll grab the URL. This BIOS isn't exactly friendly with selecting bootable devices (secureboot and the like are disabled; UEFI only)
[23:06] <tomreyn> * DOS
[23:06] <bugzbunny> Cyber_Akuma: ntfs-3g should already be installed, if not, just type ntfsfix /dev/sdX
[23:06] <bugzbunny> if not, then apt install ntfs-3g
[23:09] <tomreyn> SaliorMoonLT: also if you know the exact model # of the laptop this might help.
[23:09] <SaliorMoonLT> tomreyn, TJ-: https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/support-product/7211?b=1
[23:09] <tomreyn> SaliorMoonLT: okay this answers both
[23:09] <SaliorMoonLT> tomreyn: Sorry. I was trying to remember the BIOS name! I ended up just looking it up again (cleared the browser history earlier).
[23:09] <Cyber_Akuma> hmm
[23:09] <Cyber_Akuma> Hwo do I find out which drive it's mounted as again?
[23:10] <SaliorMoonLT> You are suggesting that I simply copy the *.exe files to the USB and cross my fingers and hope I can boot to the USB and have them auto-flash (not supported AFAIK) the BIOS?
[23:10] <tomreyn> TJ-: BIOS_109.exe: MS-DOS executable, COFF for MS-DOS, DJGPP go32 DOS extender
[23:10] <bugzbunny> Cyber_Akuma: It can't be mounted to repair it
[23:10] <bugzbunny> Cyber_Akuma: So umounted, then fdisk -l (might be better tools) to find out which disk
[23:11] <bugzbunny> Cyber_Akuma: To see what's mounted, just type mount without arguments
[23:11] <bugzbunny> "mount"
[23:11] <Cyber_Akuma> It mounts in Ubuntu
[23:11] <Cyber_Akuma> Just not windows
[23:11] <Cyber_Akuma> It's a usb drive
[23:12] <SaliorMoonLT> Cyber_Akuma: Windows is missing the USB drivers?
[23:12] <bugzbunny> NO
[23:12] <bugzbunny> USB DRIVE is general protocol that most OS support.. Should just work
[23:12] <CarlFK> vim q: how do I remove  the # from a bunch of # comments?
[23:12] <tomreyn> SaliorMoonLT: this is your firmware blob: isflash.bin, sha256sum f23baf4112f15b5babe206d65279178627fc94d3556de9be11e36391e2fc8638, 5.5 MB (5678732 bytes), Dec 21 2017 08:10
[23:13] <bugzbunny> Cyber_Akuma: First, there is Disk Management, to see if Windows see it, or diskpart if you technical incline to know what you are doing
[23:13] <Cyber_Akuma> SaliorMoonLT: No, it';s just this drive
[23:13] <SaliorMoonLT> tomreyn: My entire plan was to (try) get FreeDOS to boot up from a USB thumb drive and install the BIOS update. You are saying I am able to just copy the *.exe's to the USB medium and it'll auto-boot to it (somehow)?
[23:14] <CarlFK> nm - I see where I can include other .conf files
[23:14] <Cyber_Akuma> Windows sees I am plugging in a drive and gives it a letter, but it can't access it, and the accesslight on the drfive stays on while it's plugged into windows
[23:14] <Cyber_Akuma> local disk manager sees the drive, it's fileysstem, and it's size, but it can't read it
[23:14] <Cyber_Akuma> Ubuntu is reading it just fine
[23:14] <bugzbunny> Cyber_Akuma: Then, you can had possible do a scan on it, Right click -> Propertise -> Scan Disk
[23:15] <Cyber_Akuma> you mean in windows?
[23:15] <Cyber_Akuma> I tried a chkdsk, it either crashesor just quits
[23:15] <bugzbunny> Cyber_Akuma: Yes, but ntfs-3g and Windows are different, you can't expect the same result from both
[23:15] <bugzbunny> You asked, ntfsfix, if you don't know how to find the disk, then pastebin fdisk -l and mount
[23:17] <SaliorMoonLT> tomreyn: Any suggestions? I am absolutely clueless and stumped at this point (aside from possibly borrowing someone else's box real fast to create a bootable USB with FreeDOS + the updates).
[23:17] <bugzbunny> If it crashes, then I would do a sfc /scannow to make sure nothing in Windows is corrupted and probably a 'dism'
[23:17] <backnforth> Hi, what's a Ubuntu ppa to install samsung drivers?
[23:18] <bugzbunny> But I think that's out of scope of this room
[23:18] <tomreyn> SaliorMoonLT: no. i was saying that some systems' BIOS can just access the plain firmware blob from a usb stick you provide it on, and update this way. unfortunately it doesn't seem like your bios allows for this type of upgrade. so i guess you need to resort to the "boot from dos / windows" approach.
[23:18] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: tomreyn Does the firmware setup have the option to load a new firmware itself, without requiring Windows?
[23:18] <SaliorMoonLT> tomreyn: Oh. I'd stated it earlier: This (horrible) UEFI does NOT support that.
[23:18] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: No.
[23:18] <tomreyn> SaliorMoonLT: sorry, must have missed you saying so.
[23:19] <SaliorMoonLT> UEFI is also locked (cannot switch to legacy mode). I vaguely remember skimming about some hidden menu and flashing the UEFI to enable/disable BIOS "legacy" mode.
[23:19] <SaliorMoonLT> (UEFI makes me sick.)
[23:19] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: tomreyn and the included tools are all Windows not pure DOS
[23:19] <amcsi> hi, in a virtual machine im trying to load gnome-session on a 17.10 ubuntu server, but it's not doing anything
[23:19] <bugzbunny> It's not UEFI
[23:19] <bugzbunny> It's your BIOS
[23:20] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: This laptop lacks a CD-ROM drive. I have a USB at my disposal. That and the internet!
[23:20] <bugzbunny> Blam them
[23:20] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: UEFI is fine, it's the manufacturers locking things down that's the problem; happened with BIOS as well
[23:20] <SaliorMoonLT> bugzbunny: The BIOS is what UEFI is here to replace.
[23:20] <tomreyn> TJ-: indeed, all windows
[23:20] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: BIOS was much easier to bypass. :)
[23:20] <TJ-> These InSyde H2O firmwares are the worst
[23:20]  * SaliorMoonLT sigh
[23:20] <aasif> im trying to run adobe reader with read out aloud enabled on ubuntu 16.04. but it's not working. i tried getting the tts engine festival but still its not working.
[23:21] <SaliorMoonLT> I just need to find a solution. It's driving me up a wall.
[23:21] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: tomreyn there might be some clues to a manual update method in platform.ini
[23:21] <SaliorMoonLT> This box is only running Ubuntu 16.04 LTS.
[23:21] <bugzbunny> SaliorMoonLT: NO, BIOS manfactures implenment UEFI differently
[23:22] <bugzbunny> Blame the manfacturers
[23:22] <bugzbunny> My bios can update from USB just fine
[23:22] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: tomreyn if we can figure out the EFI shell method of upgrading, which the tooling does support
[23:22] <aasif> im trying to run adobe reader with read out aloud enabled on ubuntu 16.04. but it's not working. i tried getting the tts engine festival but still its not working.
[23:23] <Cyber_Akuma> bugzbunny: ok, I ran ntfsfix, was it supposed to only take a second?
[23:23] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: tomreyn the firmware is based on the Tainocore EDK so it might be possible
[23:23] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: That's going over my head.
[23:23] <aasif> im trying to run adobe reader with read out aloud enabled on ubuntu 16.04. but it's not working. i tried getting the tts engine festival but still its not working.
[23:23] <bugzbunny> Takes how long it's suppose to take, if it takes forever, then the problem is more severe
[23:23] <tomreyn> TJ-: going over my head, too
[23:24] <SaliorMoonLT> bugzbunny: I've ran into plenty of BIOS' that could be updated from within the BIOS itself. That's not really saying much about this issue here.
[23:24] <bugzbunny> SaliorMoonLT: Same here, UEFI is irrelevant to the issue
[23:25] <UbuntuServerNewU> I'm trying a new install of ubuntu server... when I select the check disk option, the screen flashes between black and white.... any idea what I should do?
[23:25] <bugzbunny> But uh, TJ seems competent to give you some ideas how to di via EFI Shell
[23:25] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: tomreyn 'strings isflash.bin' shows it uses Pegatron SecureFlash - Pegatron is a motherboard manufacturer
[23:26] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: Huh
[23:26] <Cyber_Akuma> Didn't seem to do anything
[23:26] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: I don't know who manufactuers this one. That doesn't sound familiar though.
[23:29] <guiverc> UbuntuServerNewU, did you verify the download was flawless? (ie. verify checksum)
[23:29] <Cyber_Akuma> Any ideas what else I can try since ntfsfix didn't work?
[23:29] <tomreyn> TJ-: i'm not sure whot this information helps flashing the bios
[23:30] <tomreyn> TJ-: (still a good find)
[23:30] <bugzbunny> Cyber_Akuma: Any dmesg errors? That disk might be going dead
[23:30] <bugzbunny> Is it SSD or Spin disk?
[23:31] <Cyber_Akuma> It's a spin disk
[23:31] <tomreyn> TJ-: here's a linux (but rpm) variant of the insyde "H2OFFT" flashing utility (mentioned oi top of platform.ini): https://github.com/chinese-opendesktop/repo-bin/tree/master/src-kmod
[23:32] <bugzbunny> Cyber_Akuma: I would start trying to recover data from it, there is tools that can handle errors, I don't know of hand.. I had mess with ddrescue when I acidently deleted files on a Spin Disk.. But I am ameture
[23:35] <Cyber_Akuma> the data on it isn't important, I am just trying to see if the filesystem was corrupted and fix it if it was
[23:35] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: tomreyn: good find, I'll check it. I've just been looking at instructions for creating a USB device with the EFI firmware on, this look like it's correct but is based on configuring it from Windows with some Windows tools. Stripping those away looks like it needs 2 things 1) the isflash.bin renamed to FLASME.ROM and 2) an IDS.id file with entries from the platform.ini
[23:35] <TJ-> https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Welcome-FAQs-Knowledge-Base/How-to-flash-InsydeH2O-EFI-under-DOS-enviroment/ta-p/278406
[23:36] <bugzbunny> Cyber_Akuma: Check smartctl /dev/sdX and probably do a smartclt -t /dev/sdX before you keep using it
[23:37] <bugzbunny> Did dmesg throw errors?
[23:37] <bugzbunny> Typically it comes up as READ errors
[23:37] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: Unfortunately: I am bound _ONLY_ to Linux (Ubuntu 16.04 LTS) currently.
[23:37] <SaliorMoonLT> I /might/ be able to borrow Windows 7: Pro briefly.
[23:37] <Cyber_Akuma> What's dmesg?
[23:37] <Cyber_Akuma> It just said the ntfsfix scan finished
[23:38] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: you don't need Windows is my point, those instructions just show the Windows way of creating the USB... we should be able to do the same from Linux
[23:38] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: I'm trying to verify that now
[23:38] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: Oh. My apologies. :)
[23:38] <sere> Question : how can i only report the first or second line found with this command : sensors | grep 'temp1' | cut -c 16-19
[23:40] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: I'm creating a USB image here now; I can put it on my web server for you. Do you have a small USb flash 'key' to put it on?
[23:40] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: 8GB flash drive (USB).
[23:40] <Cyber_Akuma> bugzbunny: If that's just a SMART test, I ran SMART-test tools on windows, and it passed
[23:41] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: How're you going about creating this bootable image...? Seems simpler if I just replicate it on my end.
[23:43] <TJ-> SaliorMoonLT: I need to test it here first, so it's easier to just create the bootable image
[23:43] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: Okay.
[23:43] <bugzbunny> Cyber_Akuma: When was the test conducted?
[23:43] <Cyber_Akuma> A few minutes ago
[23:44] <bugzbunny> Usually, test are not conducted often, why is not better than sorry then to tell to load gpart and creat a partition
[23:44] <segersjerry> sere, It's been a long time, so I can't tell you exactly how, but I seem to remember awk being able to do that. so you would add "| awk [simple awk program]" to your command.
[23:44] <bugzbunny> Precautions are very helpful
[23:44] <Cyber_Akuma> what?
[23:45] <tomreyn> TJ-: good luck with your approach. the rpm i pointed to contains a kernel module source code (to build phy_alloc.ko), which must be built and loaded to access the eeprom storage. it also contains a binary and a wrapper script. the wrapper script just takes two arguments, a command (such as -cr to write to cmos) and a firmware blob fielname. however, it seems to expect to also find platform.ini in the same directory.
[23:46] <tomreyn> anyways, your approach will be much better if it works and the firmware will be loaded automatically if found on the usb stick during bios setup.
[23:46] <SaliorMoonLT> tomreyn: That's a big part of the issue. The USB must be tagged AND recognized as being 'bootable.'
[23:47] <tomreyn> SaliorMoonLT: "tagged"?
[23:47] <SaliorMoonLT> I was manually working with GRUB2 for a while until I found out that linux16/initrd16 do not play nicely with FreeDOS / DOS 6.
[23:47] <SaliorMoonLT> tomreyn: Tagged / Recognized
[23:48] <SaliorMoonLT> Using "linux /boot/memdisk" and "initrd" I was able to get the "boot" command to work; but it froze when trying to run the ISO for FreeDOS / DOS6.
[23:48] <tomreyn> SaliorMoonLT: i see. i had similar issues booting ISO files from grub when i last tried.
[23:48] <SaliorMoonLT> That's when I learned that GRUB2 doesn't like DOS (even on a USB device; despite it being 'the only logical harddrive' at 0,1).
[23:48] <bugzbunny> Cyber_Akuma: Type 'dmesg' or look at /var/log/kern.log
[23:49] <SaliorMoonLT> tomreyn: I thought about looking into LiLo(?), but I vaguely remember that being a huge hassle with Fedora 8!
[23:49] <bugzbunny> These a Linux Kernel messages for the most part
[23:50] <tomreyn> SaliorMoonLT: isn't lilo a dead project by now? i'm only aware of grub and syslinux being used during the past couple years.
[23:51] <SaliorMoonLT> tomreyn: I am sure it is! It's been a while since I've played with Linux (I'm sure it shows, based on the old references and poor choices of ideas for solutions to this problem).
[23:51] <SaliorMoonLT> GRUB2 supercedes GRUB, no?
[23:51] <TJ-> tomreyn: yeah, but I'm concerned that kernel module code  might not do sufficient checks before writing the firmware, leaving the system unbootable
[23:52] <tomreyn> SaliorMoonLT: yes grub2 supersedes grub
[23:52] <TJ-> tomreyn: SaliorMoonLT I'm trying to ensure we try a method where the tools verify the firmware and write process
[23:52] <tomreyn> TJ-: yes there is this risk.
[23:52] <SaliorMoonLT> TJ-: This $400 toy isn't supposed to become a paperweight. FreeDOS sounds like a much safer solution (if not simply taking the old Windows XP: Home disc and turning it into an installed OS on the USB). :p
[23:54] <bugzbunny> What year SaliorMoonLT ?
[23:54] <SaliorMoonLT> bugzbunny: This laptop? ~6mo old.
[23:54] <bugzbunny> Wha? Really
[23:54] <bugzbunny> You said the brand is Acer?
[23:55] <SaliorMoonLT> bugzbunny: Yes.
[23:55] <SaliorMoonLT> Acer Swift 1
[23:55] <SaliorMoonLT> PS: The BIOS-scan finger printer doesn't work. >:)
[23:55] <SaliorMoonLT> Sorry. Trackpad made me part the channel.
[23:55] <bugzbunny> Ahh, it's a Laptop right? Usually those like installing stuff that wasn't shipped
[23:55] <bugzbunny> Probably why it's so HARD
[23:56] <SaliorMoonLT> bugzbunny: Huh?
[23:56] <bugzbunny> I have HP laptop, 2 of them, that's like that
[23:56] <SaliorMoonLT> bugzbunny: This shipped with Windows 10 (disgusting OS). I put Linux Fedora on it initially. Way too heavy for a 1GHz CPU. I put Ubuntu on it next.
[23:56] <bugzbunny> Meaning, they ship tools that only allow to update the BIOS via Windows
[23:57] <bugzbunny> I love Windows 10, but not to be offtopic for too long
[23:57] <Bashing-om> SaliorMoonLT: TJ- :: Acer: Some modeles -> see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2330267 <-  set "trust" on the Ubuntu/grub .efi files.
[23:57] <SaliorMoonLT> ~20s boot time total now. It's fairly smooth. No issues with anything. Hovering at 800MB of RAM usage and 5% CPU idle.
[23:57] <SaliorMoonLT> bugzbunny: Yes. The UEFI updates are for Windows-only (*.exe).
[23:57] <SaliorMoonLT> Thanks, Bashing-om. Reading.
[23:58] <SaliorMoonLT> Bashing-om: That seems unrelated, but thank you
[23:59] <Bashing-om> SaliorMoonLT: Was a thought .. vendor lockin on Acer products .
[23:59] <SaliorMoonLT> Bashing-om: That person seems to have issues with dual-booting. I'm not wanting to dual boot this limited 64GB SSD drive. ;)
[23:59] <SaliorMoonLT> Finally shrunk it down to < 5GB.