[14:43] <ki9a_> how do I switch to default to runlevel 3?
[14:44] <ki9a_> or more exactly
[14:44] <ki9a_> I don't want to start X ?
[14:44] <bazhang> !nox
[14:44] <bazhang> ki9a_, ^
[14:46] <wrefdsfds> hi
[14:46] <ki9a_> bazhang: thanks!
[14:47] <slestak> us the usb-creator.exe on beta2 a known issue?
[14:48] <slestak> i can select the iso, and the usb stick, but the Make Startup Disk button is not selectable
[14:49] <ki9a_> bazhang: that doesn't look up to date for 11.04
[14:49] <ki9a_> menu.lst doesn't exist for one
[14:50] <bazhang> ki9a_, right, shift to get to grub2 menu
[14:50] <eruditehermit> hey, can anyone help me get edge scrolling, middle mouse click and two finger scrolling working? They appear in mouse settings but when I try to use them, it doesn't work
[14:50] <bazhang> ki9a_, at boot
[14:52] <ki9a_> bazhang: yeah but i want to change it permanently; X is broken atm and it freezes my screen
[14:53] <bazhang> ki9a_, you mean you want a permanent cli environment?
[14:53] <ki9a_> until ubuntu is fixed yes; this imac has no switch for the screen, so I can't turn it off when the thing freezes
[14:54] <bazhang> aha right
[14:54] <bazhang> then stop gdm I suppose
[14:54] <ki9a_> how can I do that?
[14:54] <ki9a_> I don't want to damage it permanently
[14:54] <thewall> Hi all, just upgraded to natty, my SD card doesn't show up when I insert it, I have to reboot with the card in so as to see it on my desktop..should it not pick it up as soon as I plug it in?
[14:55] <ki9a_> i'm used to suse; where I could use chkconfig
[14:56] <bazhang> using upstart?
[14:57] <ki9a_> update-rc.d gdm disable
[14:58] <lcb> thewall, hmm with the SD inserted update and upgrade your system. also run the 'Additional Drivers'
[14:58] <thewall> so thats sudo apt-get update?
[14:59] <lcb> and sudo apt-get upgrade
[14:59] <thewall> ok, I'll give it a whirl 'with' the sd card in the drive.
[15:00] <lcb> do also sudo apt-get dist-upgrade . by that order
[15:01] <thewall> it says it is unable to lock the administration directory?
[15:01] <thewall> another process might be using it?
[15:02] <lcb> thewall, close synaptic
[15:02] <thewall> ok
[15:03] <bullgard4> Why does update-notifier need so much resident memory? (10,9 MiB)
[15:03] <thewall> it says 0  upgraded, 0 newly installed ?
[15:04] <bullgard4> !enter | thewall
[15:04] <lcb> thewall, then try rebooting... i don't know if that will load the necessary files. give it a try
[15:05] <thewall> what do u mean !enter?
[15:06] <lcb> :) nevermind
[15:06] <thewall> ok
[15:06] <lcb> he's talking with the bot
[15:07] <lcb> !you_can_leave bullgard4
[15:07] <lcb> :p
[15:10] <lcb> bullgard4, mine is at 2,7 MiBs
[15:12] <bullgard4> I consider 2,7 MiB also too much RAM consumption for this minor task.
[15:12] <lcb> ubuntuone-syncdaemon 19,7 MiB . time to kill it´
[15:12] <bullgard4> yes
[15:13] <lcb> my chromium takes a lot. sot so much as firefox though
[15:13] <lcb> sot/not
[15:15] <lcb> when final is out i might kill permanently those procs
[15:16] <lcb> update-n and ubuntu1
[15:17] <lcb> there is no reason indeed of having that constantly pulling recourses
[15:17] <lcb> resources too
[15:25] <aperson> does the installer still leave /home/ mostly intact?
[15:28] <lcb> all of it, not "mostly"
[15:28] <lcb> aperson, this is a beta release, so you should make a backup of everything
[15:29] <lcb> that means, /home/ would be intact if the computer is not messed up, after upgrading
[15:29] <aperson> lcb↳ I have no plans on using betas, I'm only asking because I know the installer has changed since I last installed
[15:30] <lcb> did it mess /home then?
[15:30] <aperson> no, but that was with the old installer
[15:31] <lcb> it's necessary to be careful with /home and /usr
[15:31] <lcb> and /etc...
[15:31] <aperson> and I what I had meant by 'mostly' was that it *does* alter some configuration files (which is to be expected)
[15:31] <aperson> lcb↳ I'm aware
[15:32] <aperson> I don't need advice, I just wanted to know if the installer still behaves as it used to
[15:32] <aperson> anyways, thanks
[15:32] <lcb> aperson, no-one complained yet, i believe
[15:32] <lcb> only interface complaints, mostly :)
[15:33] <aperson> I know this may not be the right place to ask for this one, but does kubuntu use the same installer? it's been a few releases since I've tried them
[15:34] <thewall> hi, me again, the SD card works from the desktop now..thnx; I was looking at my gnome version, it is 2.32, yet I am sure I saw a version 3, is this good for 11.04?
[15:34] <lcb> great, thewall
[15:34] <bazhang> from the ppa?
[15:34] <bazhang> NO
[15:35] <thewall> from gnome website I think
[15:35] <bazhang> there's a ppa too
[15:36] <thewall> but it's no good for natty yet?
[15:36] <bazhang> !ppa
[15:36] <bazhang> no PPA are good, this one especially
[15:37] <thewall> excellent, I've not used ubuntu much, only installed it a week ago :(
[15:38] <thewall> been a disgruntled windoze user for many years now...I can imagine now why they think ubuntu (all linux operating systems) is a threat to they mega-monopoly
[15:39] <lcb> :)
[15:39] <lcb> windows is good too
[15:39] <lcb> we can all live together
[15:40] <KM0201> thewall, the reality is, it's not... you still have to convince the masses, and honestly... Ubuntu still lacks some hardware support that even the average desktop user will require (printers mainly)
[15:40] <KM0201> if you can get them to try it... you're usually ok.. but getting them there is tough
[15:41] <thewall> one can imagine it is, I was a little confused at first as to the differences, such as the tar.gz's etc but it is a learning curve and the more subscribe to it the better it will become.
[15:41] <AaronCampbell> I have a Dell Laptop that I've been running 10.10 on for a awhile (it's an older laptop, a few years old).  I decided to upgrade to 11.04 since it's beta 2.
[15:41] <BluesKaj> well, maybe W7 is the besr so far , the networking is too W7 proprietary , even XP and vista machines have difficulty with the homegroup thing
[15:42] <KM0201> yeah...
[15:42] <thewall> funny u should mention that, my windows 7 has problems connecting where upon ubuntu is there immediately
[15:42] <KM0201> thewall, it can be done, but these people who install linux on someones machine, and then say "it's easy, here you go"... they do more of a disservice than a service
[15:43] <AaronCampbell> Unfortunately, every time I log in to unity or even "classic" gnome it freezes.  The mouse still works and ctrl+alt+f1-7 work, but that's it
[15:43] <AaronCampbell> If I log into the "safe mode" it seems that things work fine
[15:43] <BluesKaj> KM0201, printes and wifi..think wifi has more probs in my experience
[15:43] <BluesKaj> printers
[15:43] <KM0201> BluesKaj, wifi has gotten infinitely better though...
[15:43] <lcb> AaronCampbell, did you install 'Additional Drivers'?
[15:44] <KM0201> i mean, *most* wifi devices, will work out of the box, or w/ very little trouble (I've got atheros devices, and they all work out of the box)
[15:44] <thewall> u would think more the wifi in my experience, printer is good for my epson but then again is ubuntu ;)
[15:44] <cryptk> my typical route is to install it on their machine, set up grub to boot to windows by default... give them an hour or two primer and then tell them to go play!
[15:44] <KM0201> now when i first got my laptop about 5-6yrs ago, my wireless didn't work, then it worked, but required some driver patching, by 9.04, it was working out of the box (started w/ 8.04)
[15:44] <cryptk> then they can use it whenever they want to, play around, try it out, if they break it, no big deal, just re-install (at first)
[15:44] <cryptk> then later when they break it, teach them how to fix it
[15:45] <BluesKaj> KM0201,  yeah thank the gods , because fooling with wpa_supplicant on my other desktop (belkin ralink usb ) for 4 hrs yesterday was a test of my patience
[15:45] <AaronCampbell> lcb: During the upgrade?  I don't think so.  With the original install?  I'm honestly not sure.  If I remember correctly everything pretty much "just worked" with the original 10.10 install
[15:45] <thewall> hehe..I installed on a friends computer and he is getting along so far, I run into problems but I like to try and find the answers, he sort of relies on me to help him out
[15:46] <KM0201> BluesKaj, ouch... which belkin? i've got a belkin USB, that is plug n play.... I plug it in, about 10sec later, I see networks and connect (to wpa, wep, wpa2, etc.)
[15:46] <cryptk> I have had about a 70% conversion rate with people that I show it to
[15:46] <cryptk> most of them go dual boot with a windows primary for the first year or so
[15:46] <thewall> that is excellent surely?
[15:46] <KM0201> cryptk, which is honestly pretty smart.
[15:47] <lcb> AaronCampbell, do this:  CTRL +ALT + F2 | sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get -f install && sudo apt-get check && sudo reboot. WAIT
[15:47] <KM0201> taking someone off windows cold turkey, is a recipe for them to reinstalll windows 2hrs after you leave
[15:47] <cryptk> and they slowly start getting more and more angry at windows when they know they have something that works just as well (but actually better) that was free
[15:47] <cryptk> and yet they paid good money for blue screens
[15:47] <thewall> mine is dual boot at the mo but I am hoping to get rid soon, once I've got the basics out of the way that is
[15:47] <cryptk> lcb, wouldn't going sudo -i be easier... lol
[15:48] <BluesKaj> KM0201, I hate to admit it but the kde networkmanager doesn't do well with usb wifi and neither does wicd
[15:48] <cryptk> I am a professionally paid linux admin... I still dual boot
[15:48] <KM0201> BluesKaj, hmm, i don't use KDE, so i can't comment on that.
[15:48] <AaronCampbell> lcb: Would it be acceptable for me to do all but the reboot one at from the terminal to see what they do?
[15:48] <cryptk> granted my linux install is definitely primary, but windows is there for things that just don't work well in wine
[15:48] <thewall> that is the emulator right?
[15:49] <cryptk> AaronCampbell, yep, you can split them up at the &&'s, that is just a bunch of commands strung together
[15:49] <KM0201> thewall, i'd recommend at least 6mo... there's no hurry, keep windows as your "fall back" in case there's something you really need, and you just can't figure it out.  Windows allows you to do it, while you investigate how to get it working in linux
[15:49] <AaronCampbell> cryptk: I saw that, just making sure there wasn't a reason they all all needed to be run in immediate succession
[15:49] <cryptk> nope, linux won't care one bit if you break them up
[15:50] <thewall> thnx, good advice, I don't want to drop myself into the fire just yet ;)
[15:50] <KM0201> i dual booted for a long time, then nuked all my pc's laptops to Linux, I have  a small Virtual XP, that I use to sync Ipods and Zunes (via shared folders that are hosted on my linux boxes)... and it honestly works great
[15:50] <lcb> AaronCampbell, then, when the machine is booting press SHIFT after the BIOS messages (before grub loads)) and select recovery. Wait a bit and you'll get a menu. select CLEAN, then, DPKG, then GRUB, then failsafeX. On failsafeX select the option to fix and then default. click CANCEL and then RESTART X. reboot again.
[15:50] <KM0201> i boot Virtual XP about 2-3x a month.
[15:50] <BluesKaj> KM0201, what desktop do you recommend in Ubuntu 11.04 , nvidia 7600gt onboard so desktop effects etc isn't aprob for my older desktop
[15:51] <KM0201> BluesKaj, honestly, Unity is really growing on me.... i've always been a fan of Gnome Classic... but made an effort when I put 11.04 on my laptop, to try unity.. and i'm liking it.
[15:51] <cryptk> BluesKaj, matter of personal opinion
[15:51] <lcb> AaronCampbell, some of the commands and selections i wrote are abbreviated. but you'll see it when you get there.
[15:51] <cryptk> some people like unity, others KDE, I myself am liking Gnome3
[15:51] <KM0201> BluesKaj, i have always, ALWAYS hated KDE.... i tried it yesterday on a live USB... and I still feel like i need some alcohol to get over it.
[15:52] <AaronCampbell> lcb: Thanks...trying now
[15:52] <KM0201> cryptk, gnome 3 trashed my laptop... ended up having to reinstall.. if that is the direction Gnome is going, I'll be switching to Xfce or Lxde
[15:52] <bjsnider> kde...driving people to drink for over 10 years
[15:52] <cryptk> KM0201, I think that is a PEBKAC issue
[15:52] <ali12341> do you want a desktop that's pretty but limited, or functional but ugly? choose your poison...
[15:52] <arand> KM0201: PPA?
[15:52] <KM0201> cryptk, negative.. kept locking up.
[15:52] <KM0201> arand, thats the only way to get it isn't it?
[15:52] <cryptk> locking up != trashed
[15:52] <BluesKaj> KM0201, right , I looked at Unity ..nice "look" ...being an old windows guy I still like the kde "look" for my main computer ")\
[15:52] <arand> Yes, but still...
[15:52] <cryptk> and locking up doesn't exclude PEBKAC
[15:53] <KM0201> cryptk, well, when i log in, and the machine just stops...lol (well except for once, but it froze as soon as i started the browser)... i'd say it excludes pebkac
[15:53] <arand> KM0201: It is likely down to crappy/complicated packaging. So I would not judge gnome3 on it
[15:53] <KM0201> arand, i'll give you that...
[15:53] <AaronCampbell> lcb: the net result for the first set of commands what 0 upgraded 0 installed 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[15:54] <arand> If you run F15 or Osuse, then that's some basis for judgement I guess..
[15:54] <cryptk> yep, it isn't necessarially YOU who committed the PEBKAC... but gnome3 as a whole has been great to me, every issue I have had I have been able to directly attribute to the PPA
[15:54] <delac> hey, how to make usb sticks automount? so that the show in launcher at insertion.
[15:54] <lcb> AaronCampbell, good. it's just to play on the safe side
[15:55] <KM0201> delac, they don't already?... i just plugged in my USB drive, and it done exactly that, auto mounted, and showed up in the launcher.
[15:55] <delac> KM0201: hmmmmm.....
[15:55] <lcb> AaronCampbell, if that doesn't work go to 'Additional Drivers' and remove the display ones, until 11.04 final release is out
[15:55] <lcb> AaronCampbell, and repeat the process, btw
[15:56] <bjsnider> delac, check what dmesg says when you plug the jump drive in
[15:56] <thewall> I like the colourful bubbly look, so gnome for me ;)
[15:57] <lcb> time for a coffee and some sun
[15:57] <delac> bjsnider: the stick will show in the nautilus menu, but it is not automatically mounted. the dmesg just states that
[15:57] <AaronCampbell> lcb: in the "failsafeX" you want me to choose "Reconfigure Graphics"?
[15:57] <lcb> AaronCampbell, yes, then select default configuration
[15:58]  * cryptk loves his cloudkick
[15:59] <lcb> AaronCampbell, i have to leave. just follow my suggestions to see if works. don't forget the last one, .. removing the proprietary driver for graphivs in case still doesn't work
[15:59] <delac> ok, should i enable /apps/nautilus/preferences/media_automount or /desktop/gnome/volume_manager/automount_media?
[15:59] <AaronCampbell> lcb: Thanks.  Not sure where to do that, but I'll find it if this first thing doesn't work
[15:59] <lcb> graphivs = graphics (in TypEnglish)
[16:00]  * cryptk loves this thing... https://www.cloudkick.com/viz/nasadmin/
[16:00] <lcb> AaronCampbell, on classic desktop, Preferences then Additional Drivers. On unity on Applicatios | Themes & Tweaks
[16:01] <cryptk> most awesome server stat visualization ever
[16:01] <AaronCampbell> lcb: Thanks because it's still not working.  Still mouse and ctrl+alt+f_ works
[16:02] <AaronCampbell> On Unity everything LOOKS like it should work, but nothing can be clicked, etc.  On Classic the bottom and top bars don't load but the desktop and icons do...nothing can be clicked.
[16:02] <lcb> AaronCampbell,  :( reboot after any changes, don't forget. keep trying. Xorg do not accept some old hardware, so i don't know if it's your case.
[16:02] <delac> I gues it is the nautilus one. what is this volume-manager anyway? there doesnt seem to be one in maveric.
[16:03] <lcb> AaronCampbell, change to another mouse. i had some issue where that worked
[16:03] <AaronCampbell> lcb: Laptop == built in trackpad
[16:04] <lcb> ahhh
[16:04] <lcb> attach a mouse
[16:04] <lcb> have to leave, cya
[16:04] <BluesKaj> I don't understand what's so ugly about kde , I prefer an uncluttered desktop, http://imagebin.org/148542
[16:05] <ceed^> I have two laptops, on with nvidia graphics and one with intel. Why does the boot screens look much better on the Intel one than the nvidia one? The U logo never even shows on the nvidia one, it's just s serier of flashing screens with some dots on it.
[16:05] <thewall> v nice
[16:06] <ceed^> BluesKaj, I do not think KDE i ugly, but it always seems more unstable to me. I've tried all version and there's always something that not working right.
[16:07] <eQuale> hello. pls where do i find and activate libreoffice quickstart? i have kubuntu natty installed out of the box, and 1. it works perfectly except 2. libreoffice, which starts agelong and 3. option to turn on quickstarter is not there in memory settings
[16:07] <drc> AaronCampbell: Are you trying to "click" by tapping the touchpad, if so check to see that "tapping" is enabled in your mouse configuration.
[16:07] <bjsnider> ceed^, because the nvidia driver has no kms support. if you used the nouveau driver the boot screens would look the same
[16:07] <eQuale> BluesKaj: moin :)
[16:08] <ceed^> bjsnider, how does the nouveau driver compate to the non-free one?
[16:08] <KM0201> BluesKaj, i consider kde hideous
[16:08] <ceed^> *compare
[16:08] <BluesKaj> ceed^, yeah, right now it's the network manager /wifi , altho i use ethernet , the kde wifi is not workable with chips other than atheros it seems
[16:09] <ceed^> BluesKaj, There was a time I liked to fix broken stuff, but now Linux is my work platform. It has to work, and it has to work right now. Gnome has been good in that way. We'll see how Unity fares in this regard! :)
[16:10] <bjsnider> ceed^, it has no immediate or stable opengl support which means no compositing, no unity, no 3d etc. but you can add the libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental package to see if those features work on your hardware and don't lock it up
[16:10] <cryptk> BluesKaj, this is un-cluttered http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb50/crypt1029/Screenshot.png
[16:10] <thewall> thats weird, i've just put the ppa in my update manager but it isn't picking gnome3 up?
[16:10] <cryptk> thewall, did you reload packages?
[16:11] <thewall> yep sure did
[16:11] <bjsnider> thewall, if you're going to try gnome3, you'd better be aware that switching back to unity or classic gnome afterwards has proven to be unsuccessful for some
[16:11] <ceed^> bjsnider, guess I'll live with it then. I seem to remember there was a fix for tis for Linux mint using the framebuffer to render the boot screens. Wonder if there's such a solution for Ubuntu?
[16:11] <bjsnider> oh who cares about the boot screen?
[16:11] <BluesKaj> ceed^, kde has always been a challenge , I'm in a home environment so no pressure , but i understand your situation and the need for a workable setup
[16:11] <bjsnider> i mean really, it's over in a few seconds
[16:12] <delac> thewall: select only the gnome3 ppa. your indexer might not have done its job yet
[16:12] <thewall> ooer
[16:12] <AaronCampbell> There was in fact an "Additional Driver" It's an NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver
[16:12] <cryptk> wait... there is a boot screen with a logo? lol
[16:12] <cryptk> I never see it
[16:12] <thewall> ok, will deselect the rest and try that
[16:12] <delac> thewall: no
[16:12] <delac> thewall: did not mean that
[16:12] <cryptk> my comp starts... BIOS... Raid Controller... Grub... Login window....
[16:12] <delac> thewall: I meant in synaptic
[16:13] <cryptk> I never get to see all the plymouth fanciness, lol
[16:13] <thewall> ooer...opps my bad :(
[16:13] <delac> thewall: look packages that are in gnome3 ppa
[16:13] <delac> thewall: dont use  the search
[16:13] <BluesKaj> cryptk, ok , not my taste , but I'll agree
[16:13] <delac> thewall: the quicksearch
[16:13] <delac> thewall: normal search should find the gnome3
[16:13] <bjsnider> cryptk, some peopleonly want to see the boot screen. they don't care what happens afterwards i guess
[16:13] <thewall> oh right, I see, I did use quicksearch
[16:14] <cryptk> BluesKaj, that's stock Gnome3 and conky
[16:14] <eQuale> folks, could you pls advise me how to speed up the hangy start of libreoffice and/or enable the quickstarter?
[16:14] <cryptk> bjsnider, I never see it... mine go's from grub to login screen in about a second
[16:14] <bjsnider> goes
[16:14] <cryptk> meh, whatever
[16:14] <thewall> u have libreoffice in natty, working?
[16:15] <eQuale> yep, just starts for about a minute
[16:15] <BluesKaj> cryptk, the desktop wallpaper was taken 15mi from my location.
[16:15] <cryptk> nice!
[16:15] <thewall> I read that it was not ready for release in natty yet?
[16:15] <delac> I gues it's libreoffice. haven't looked at it much
[16:16] <KM0201> is anyone else having trouble out of ubuntus' imagebin?.. it shows the image for like 5sec, then it goes away
[16:16] <eQuale> and I cannot help it on my own, and I actually don't have the option to enable quickstarter
[16:16] <delac> thewall: they are libre
[16:17] <BluesKaj> KM0201, if it was my url , the pic is 2mib , probly too large to load
[16:17] <thewall> I see, was a little concerned thats all
[16:17] <eQuale> any ideas?
[16:17] <KM0201> BluesKaj, well, mine is only 698k, and it's been doing that the last few days to me
[16:17] <eQuale> what is the package for quickstarter?
[16:17] <KM0201> http://imagebin.org/148543
[16:17] <BluesKaj> KM0201, ok
[16:18] <KM0201> hmm, reloading the page seems to have fixed it.
[16:18] <delac> thewall: concerned about what?
[16:18] <bjsnider> concerned about libreoffice
[16:19] <thewall> that libre was supposed to be coming out in natty as oppsed to openoffice?
[16:19] <thewall> or I am wrong?
[16:19] <bjsnider> his frantic probing makes it seem as if, to him, it's a life or death issue
[16:19] <bjsnider> libreoffice is already in natty,, and it works
[16:19] <cryptk> yes, libre in natty
[16:19] <cryptk> it is in there, it runs, it works
[16:19] <thewall> than why is mine openoffice?
[16:19] <bjsnider> cryptk, repeat it again
[16:20] <cryptk> it is in there, it runs, it works?
[16:20] <BluesKaj> I wish ppl wouldn't use the flash based pastebin page cuz I can't read the fonts on my 42" monitor , they won't zoom
[16:20] <delac> thewall: ?
[16:20] <BluesKaj> KM0201, nice desktop btw :)
[16:20] <thewall> I'm on natty but I have openoffice, I guess this is also libre?
[16:20] <eQuale> vjsnider, cryptk > do you have quickstarter accessible?
[16:20] <cryptk> yes
[16:21] <KM0201> BluesKaj, pretty default, i've not messed w/ it to much..lol
[16:21] <eQuale> where is it?
[16:21] <cryptk> I don't use it, but I can turn it on...
[16:21] <cryptk> it is in the options
[16:21] <BluesKaj> KM0201, that's unity?
[16:21] <delac> thewall: all the icons should say libreoffice
[16:21] <eQuale> cryptk: where exactly?
[16:21] <cryptk> Tools > Options > Memory > checkbox at bottom
[16:21] <delac> thewall: and the themeing should be more "libre"
[16:21] <cryptk> I don't see the big deal about quickstarter...
[16:21] <thewall> sorry to disappoint but they are openoffice icons
[16:22] <KM0201> BluesKaj, affirmative
[16:22] <eQuale> f**k, I have no such option
[16:22] <delac> thewall: did you do fresh install or upgrade?
[16:22] <thewall> upgrade
[16:22] <cryptk> thewall, perhaps because your openoffice pachages were not marked as automatically isntalled
[16:22] <eQuale> which package relates to it?
[16:22] <delac> thewall: well that might explain it
[16:23] <cryptk> open up libre office writer
[16:23] <thewall> hehe...yer I guess :)
[16:23] <cryptk> then go there in libre office writer
[16:23] <AaronCampbell> So in order to get things working on my Dell Laptop I had to disable an "Additional Driver" called "NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver".  Now I can use classic mode but not unity.  Is there an expectation that the driver will eventually work and I'll be able to use Unity?
[16:23] <bjsnider> AaronCampbell, it already does work
[16:23] <AaronCampbell> Or am I stuck with classic (which honestly doesn't bother me...I'm obviously used to it)
[16:24] <bjsnider> it has worked for several weeks and continues to work
[16:25] <AaronCampbell> bjsnider: I had it working with 10.10 but when I upgraded it made it so on Unity everything LOOKED like it should work, but nothing can be clicked, etc.  On Classic the bottom and top bars didn't load but the desktop and icons did...nothing could be clicked.
[16:25] <AaronCampbell> bjsnider: Removing that driver fixed the issues for me
[16:25] <thewall> would I need to remove openoffice in order to install libre?
[16:25] <bjsnider> that's a kick in the pants
[16:25] <delac> thewall: yes, the openoffice seems to be still in the repos, so upgraders will apparently keep it and fresh installs will get the libre
[16:25] <AaronCampbell> bjsnider: Should I try to re-install it?  Or is my slightly older Dell Laptop and edge case that it no longer supports
[16:26] <eQuale> cryptk: no such option :-\
[16:26] <delac> thewall: not sure if you need to uninstall it though
[16:26] <eQuale> anybody knows which package installs quickstarter?
[16:26] <thewall> right, np.
[16:26] <AaronCampbell> delac: When I upgraded from 10.10 to 11.04 it removed open office and installed libre
[16:27] <thewall> really? how interesting...
[16:27] <delac> AaronCampbell: oh, so it does it randomly then :)
[16:27] <bjsnider> AaronCampbell, did you try adding gallium to nouveau so you could test unity?
[16:27] <itguru> I have a dell inspiron duo - and when the screen is locked, if I remove the power, the system crashes. I'm running natty, and wondering how do I file a bug while something is still beta? I've been able to recreate it, and I'm on the verge of a reinstall to confirm that I havn't fubar'd something
[16:27] <drc> AaronCampbell: What is your nvidia card...the nvidia driver worked flawlessly on my nvidia 8400m gs
[16:30] <AaronCampbell> GeForce Go 7400
[16:30] <AaronCampbell> bjsnider: Not sure I know what gallium or nouveau is, so no
[16:31] <ceed^> bjsnider, do you think this would work on Ubuntu (natty)? http://bit.ly/hjB9kv
[16:31] <bjsnider> AaronCampbell, you can install the libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental package, and reboot. that would give you the ability to do compositing and opengl with your current graphics driver. you could then test unity
[16:32] <bjsnider> however, it might not work, it might work for awhile and then lock up your gpu, or it might explode killing you and everyone you know
[16:32] <KM0201> woo hoo.. i finally replicated the walking window bug!.. i don't feel left out anymore
[16:32] <AaronCampbell> bjsnider: awesome.  Sounds like a blast
[16:32] <bjsnider> ceed^, i do not care. i don't care.
[16:35] <itguru> Anyone have a dell inspiron duo running 11.04 - I would like to see if someone can replicate a crash I seem to be having?
[16:36] <ceed^> bjsnider, thanks anyway
[16:40] <itguru> Basically, if the screen is locked, and I remove the power cable, it crashes - I'd like someone to replicate it, so at least I can see that it's not me fubaring my install, and then I can report my first bug :)
[16:42] <KM0201> itguru, ok, so lock screen, and remove power?
[16:42] <KM0201> power cord, that is
[16:42] <KM0201> i'll try ti.
[16:43] <itguru> KM0201: yes :)
[16:43] <KM0201> itguru, worked fine for me
[16:43] <KM0201> unplugged, logged back in no problem
[16:43]  * itguru thinks if KM0201: goes offline suddenly, then it's a bug!
[16:43] <itguru> Darn!
[16:43] <KM0201> itguru, you're hit!
[16:43] <KM0201> lol
[16:44] <hardcold_> Hello
[16:44] <itguru> KM0201: thanks for the test. there must be something that's not stock on my install
[16:44] <hardcold_> http://www.pfhorums.com/index.php?showtopic=5754
[16:44] <KM0201> hardcold_, you're gonna get the same answer, you follow the same instructions to compile source code, whether you're using 11.04 or 10.10
[16:44] <hardcold_> I was just told to come ask here
[16:44] <hardcold_> ...
[16:44]  * BluesKaj forgets how many ppl are laptop users
[16:45] <KM0201> BluesKaj, you have to compile it from source.. that really doesn't matter which distro you're using
[16:45] <KM0201> oops
[16:45] <KM0201> hardcold_, see above
[16:45] <KM0201> the same rules apply
[16:45] <KM0201> the instructions on that site appear fairly clear, what is the problem?
[16:46] <hardcold_> the 2nd step doesn't work
[16:47] <KM0201> hardcold_, the cut/paste?
[16:47] <KM0201> most likely thats because those packages have different names in 11.04, you're goin to have to track them down... easiest way to do that, is search them in the package manager
[16:48] <BluesKaj> BBL..
[16:48] <hardcold_> says the guy who said it would be exactly the same in 11.04
[16:49] <hardcold_> ^_-
[16:49] <KM0201> hardcold_, says the gy who can't listen.. the instructions are the same.. i can't predict package names changing...
[16:50] <KM0201> i can't help it if you'r enot smart enough to think "hey, those package names may not be in my distro, so i'll have to modify that"
[16:50] <itguru> KM0201: I'm going to try it again, this think has been locking up on me all week, and I thought I tracked it down!
[16:50] <KM0201> itguru, very strange.. it obviously wasn't an issue for me.
[16:50] <coz_> hardcold_,  this is a game?
[16:50] <hardcold_> It seems with all the people who have not heard of Marathon, and given how simple this is supposed to be to install, they would install it out of curiosity
[16:50] <KM0201> it behaved exactly as i suspected it would.
[16:51] <hardcold_> Yes, coz, it's a game.
[16:51] <KM0201> why would i install something out of "curiosity" that i hve no use for?
[16:51] <ali12341> what is marathon?
[16:51] <coz_> hardcold_,  this system isnt 11.04  but I can try to compile it..however I am compiling another application at the moment
[16:51] <ali12341> now i am curious
[16:51] <KM0201> remember:  Curiosity Broke the Linux Beta OS
[16:52] <hardcold_> maybe you like having fun sometimes?
[16:52] <KM0201> or something like that
[16:52] <ali12341> wait, are you talking about the crappy FPS made by the people who made halo?
[16:52] <KM0201> hardcold_, that has nothing to do w/ curiosity, and maybe your idea of fun, is not mine.. i have fun on my cojmputer, and never need "marathon".. whatever that is
[16:52] <hardcold_> never "need"?
[16:52] <hardcold_> So you are Asian
[16:52] <KM0201> oh geez
[16:53] <KM0201> i'm probably the whitest guy here
[16:53] <hardcold_> ah well
[16:53] <KM0201> , time to ignore,
[16:53] <coz_> hardcold_,  i am beginning the compile now
[16:53] <KM0201> it should compile fairly easy, if you ahve the proper packages to install
[16:54] <itguru> KM0201: Is it clean out the box for you? That is the touch screen and such, because then I may be working on a dodgy install trying to fix these things
[16:54] <coz_> hardcold_,  out of curiosity ,, what compile errors are you getting?
[16:54] <KM0201> itguru, i don't have a touch screen... so obviously, can't test that.. .but i've had this instlal about 4 days
[16:54] <hardcold_> I pasted them before
[16:54] <hardcold_> But, I can't get that far now
[16:55] <KM0201> coz_, he's not getting t the compile phase i don't think, he can't install that list of packages, if i understand him correctly
[16:55] <hardcold_> I've just been starting from scratch each time
[16:55] <hardcold_> to produce an error
[16:55] <hardcold_> and then get bounced around
[16:55] <itguru> KM0201: Do you have a dell inspiron duo, with the tablet flip screen?!
[16:55] <coz_> hardcold_,   in terminal  just run ,/configure  it should tell you what you need  ,, probably one at a time   ,,, one  is libsdl_net
[16:56] <hardcold_> ,/configure says "no such file or directory"
[16:56] <coz_> actually libsdl-net1.2  but that vesion may be different on natty ,, just open synaptic and check
[16:56] <coz_> hardcold_,  oooo
[16:56] <hardcold_> Please understand, this is the first day I have used linux
[16:56] <coz_> hardcold_,  ah
[16:57] <coz_> hardcold_,  ok where is the folder you downloaded for this game located?
[16:57] <hardcold_> I've just been pulling my hair out for 7 hours trying to install ONE program
[16:57] <KM0201> itguru, negative, i have an old acer aspire laptop
[16:57] <KM0201> hardcold_, if you're new... you really shouldn't be trying to compile software
[16:57] <SwedeMike> hardcold_: it's ./configure , not ,/configure
[16:57] <hardcold_> I placed the scenerio and the tar on the deskptop as Caitify's tutorial said
[16:58] <ali12341> hardcold_: why don't you just install one of the (much superior) FPS games from the repositories?
[16:58] <hardcold_> omg
[16:58] <coz_> hardcold_,  ok cd into the AlephOne   from the terminal ... then run ./configure
[17:01] <coz_> its compiling here
[17:01] <hardcold_> Okay!
[17:01] <hardcold_> I "cd'ed"
[17:01] <coz_>  ok
[17:01] <hardcold_> whatever the heck that is
[17:02] <coz_> hardcold_,   cd =  change diretory
[17:02] <hardcold_> I know have a dollar sign after the folder
[17:02] <hardcold_> *now
[17:02] <coz_> hardcold_,   now type ./configure
[17:02] <ikonia> hardcold_: what are you trying to install ?
[17:02] <hardcold_> oh baby she is singing!
[17:02] <coz_> hardcold_,  it will go through some strange stuff and most likely  spit out an error  or a needed package name
[17:02] <hardcold_> like magic!
[17:02] <wrefdsfds> hello+
[17:02] <wrefdsfds> hello
[17:03] <coz_> wrefdsfds,  hey
[17:03] <hardcold_> It's a nergasm
[17:03] <hardcold_> *nerdgasm
[17:03] <ikonia> hardcold_: what is it you're actually trying to install
[17:03] <hardcold_> okay, now I have to be REALLY careful
[17:03] <hardcold_> it says "configuration done. Now type "make"
[17:04] <coz_> ikonia,  I believe it is a game nemed  AlephOne
[17:04] <coz_> hardcold_,  then type make
[17:04] <ikonia> hardcold_: really easy, just tell us the name of the product you want to install
[17:04] <ikonia> hardcold_: don't type make
[17:04] <ikonia> hardcold_: running ./configure blindly is a very very bad idea
[17:04] <ali12341> doing anything blindly is a bad idea
[17:05] <ikonia> hardcold_: the install instructions are on edule | Maverick/1
[17:05] <ikonia> 17:02 < hardcold_> I know have a dollar sign after the folder
[17:05] <hardcold_> HD is grinding nicely now
[17:05] <ikonia> oops
[17:05] <wrefdsfds> hi
[17:05] <penguin42> does anyone else actually get an update notifier in unity?
[17:05] <ikonia> hardcold_: the install instructions are on http://marathon.sourceforge.net/ however I would strongly advice you not to run this on a ubuntu 11.04 install at this time
[17:05] <hardcold_> why?
[17:05] <ikonia> hardcold_: because 11.04 is unstable and may change, which may cause problems for your softwre
[17:06] <ali12341> ikonia: the instructions you link to say to do exactly what he's doing (except the 11.04 part)
[17:06] <ikonia> software
[17:06] <hardcold_> so I will need to recompile in the future
[17:06] <ikonia> ali12341: I appreciate that, I said stop before I'd managed to read them
[17:06] <ikonia> I still say you should not be running "configure" blidnly
[17:06] <ikonia> eg: where is the default --prefix path
[17:06] <coz_> hardcold_,  well yes if you are lucky ... as I said ,, this machine is not on natty at the moment
[17:07] <hardcold_> what machine?
[17:07] <hardcold_> Yours?
[17:07] <coz_> hardcold_,  my machine   yes
[17:07] <hardcold_> Well, when you decide to give it a try, I am the #1 host
[17:08] <itguru> KM0201: I think it's Dell Duo specific bug - I replicated it again
[17:08] <coz_>  I am not much of a gamer however,  a good solitaire  ,, reversi ..or something similar is fine for me :)
[17:08] <ikonia> what ?
[17:08] <ikonia> your the #1 host but you don't know how to build it ?
[17:08] <hardcold_> It was PORTED to Linux
[17:08] <KM0201> itguru, what bug is that?.. sorry been switching between channels.
[17:08] <ikonia> so ?
[17:08] <hardcold_> I run it on a MBP
[17:09] <hardcold_> I bought this computer to try Ubuntu
[17:09] <hardcold_> and the linux version
[17:09] <ikonia> hardcold_: if this is meant as a "service" I'd suggest using ubuntu 10.04
[17:09] <ikonia> the long term support/stability factor would be important
[17:09] <hardcold_> I wanted a small, lightweight, and cheap computer
[17:09] <IdleOne> hardcold_: if your current computer is dedicated to testing and you are comfortable with total data loss. go ahead and experiment.
[17:10] <hardcold_> EXACTLY
[17:10] <hardcold_> this is for experimenting
[17:10] <hardcold_> and learning
[17:10] <IdleOne> ok then, enjoy :)
[17:10] <hardcold_> 10.7 scares me
[17:10] <ikonia> ?
[17:10] <IdleOne> 10.7?
[17:10] <hardcold_> so, I feel it is time to start getting acquainted with ubuntu
[17:11] <KM0201> lol, thats the mysterious ubuntu that was never released
[17:11] <hardcold_> no
[17:11] <ikonia> ah mac os
[17:11] <hardcold_> that's the next version of OSX, which comes out this summer
[17:11] <IdleOne> ah
[17:12] <hardcold_> In short, the "appstore" concept taken to the desktop has some frightening possibilities
[17:12] <IdleOne> hardcold_: keep in mind though that you still want to be careful with what code you compile
[17:12] <ali12341> hardcold_: well you won't like ubuntu then, they're going the same way
[17:14] <hardcold_> Well, this is giving the Zacate a good workout
[17:14] <hardcold_> I'm afraid if I open the system monitor it will crash
[17:14] <ali12341> i wouldn't
[17:14] <ali12341> system monitor is ironically one of the most resource intensive applications on the desktop
[17:14] <hardcold_> okay
[17:14] <hardcold_> that stage is complete
[17:15] <ali12341> i doubt it will crash, it will double the compile time though
[17:15] <ikonia> I'd be surprised if this took longer than 60 seconds to compile
[17:15] <hardcold_> the compile is done
[17:15] <Dr_Willis> Now run it and run away! :) wait for the Kaboom!
[17:16] <hardcold_> where is coz?
[17:16] <ikonia> coz ?
[17:16] <hardcold_> I think there is another step
[17:16] <KM0201> ok, running to Wal Devil... talk to ya'll later
[17:16] <hardcold_> Yes, coz, the angel who answered my question and helped
[17:16] <ikonia> hardcold_: make install
[17:16] <ikonia> hardcold_: it's on the web page I gave you
[17:16] <ikonia> http://marathon.sourceforge.net/
[17:17] <hardcold_> coz?
[17:18] <ikonia> hardcold_: what's the question
[17:18] <hardcold_> coz_, you there?
[17:18] <coz_> hardcold_,  yes
[17:18] <hardcold_> the compile is done
[17:18] <hardcold_> should I just paste the last stage in?
[17:18] <ikonia> coz_: whoaaa, sorry
[17:18] <coz_> hardcold_,   what?  l ast stage?
[17:19] <coz_> ikonia,  about what?
[17:19] <ikonia> hardcold_: I've told you what to do
[17:19] <ikonia> hardcold_: I've given you the link which has the 3 lines you need to type
[17:19] <ikonia> hardcold_: have you read the page ?
[17:19] <ikonia> coz_: just kicked you by accident, my apologies
[17:19] <coz_> ikonia,  oh lol   been there  before :)
[17:19] <ikonia> coz_: fully my fault
[17:19] <hardcold_> what's the paste ubuntu thing?
[17:20] <ikonia> hardcold_: are you looking at the web page I gave you
[17:20] <hardcold_> the last cd ~/Desktop thing in the post
[17:20] <ikonia> hardcold_: are you looking at the web page I gave you
[17:20] <ali12341> !paste
[17:20] <bjsnider> ikonia, are you frustrated by this yet or?
[17:20] <ikonia> pretty insulted
[17:21] <hardcold_> okay
[17:21] <hardcold_> put it in the paste bin
[17:21] <ikonia> why ?
[17:21] <hardcold_> that is the last step listed coz_
[17:22] <ikonia> is there a reason you are not following the 3 lines you need to type on the web page with official install instructions
[17:22] <coz_> hardcold_,  did you follow ikonia 's  suggestions?
[17:22] <hardcold_> No, I have not talked to ikonia
[17:22] <ali12341> ikonia: probably because only 1/3 of them is an actual command that you can type
[17:22] <ikonia> ali12341: it does all 3 steps as 1 command....bonus
[17:22] <ikonia> I find it pretty insulting to not even look at the webpage with the official install instructions on
[17:22] <hardcold_> He has been trying to screw me up the whole time
[17:23] <coz_> kicked myself that time
[17:23] <ikonia> hardcold_: no I have not,
[17:23] <bjsnider> ikonia, why are you bothering
[17:23] <coz_> hardcold_,  I doubt he has been trying to screw things up ,,,honestly
[17:23] <hardcold_> just read back
[17:23] <hardcold_> and see what he did
[17:23] <coz_> hardcold_,  people here are serious about not only using and running linux but helping people
[17:23] <ikonia> pointing you at the OFFICIAL install insturctions
[17:23] <ikonia> how is that trying to screw you up
[17:23] <drc> me has decided not to play any game that hardcold_ is the #1 server
[17:24] <hardcold_> most recently he keeps referring to the site I got the files from
[17:24] <hardcold_> where I started this whole thing
[17:24] <ikonia> hardcold_: it has the INSTALL instructions on the front page
[17:24] <hardcold_> by asking what to do with that text
[17:24] <ikonia> it's one line with 3 commands on it
[17:24] <hardcold_> Yes, Ikonia
[17:24] <ikonia> that is "helping" you - giving you the correct install instructions
[17:24] <ikonia> not trying to screw you over
[17:24] <hardcold_> that is what I was asking an hour ago
[17:24] <ikonia> so what is the problem using that 1 line
[17:24] <hardcold_> anyway
[17:24] <hardcold_> so
[17:25] <ali12341> ikonia: it fails because of missing dependencies
[17:25] <hardcold_> coz_
[17:25] <ikonia> ali12341: then, that's all that has to be said "it doesn't work"
[17:25] <hardcold_> do I enter the final chunk from the tutorial?
[17:25] <ali12341> ikonia: it was said several times before you even joined in this mess
[17:25] <coz_> ok the game is not working here  at all   even thought it compiled and installed correctly ,,,,  looking for way
[17:25] <ikonia> ali12341: then it wouldn't be a problem to just state that so I don't keep repeating the same advice
[17:25] <coz_> why
[17:26] <hardcold_> so I should just hold?
[17:26] <ali12341> hardcold_: you sure picked a good first project for linux
[17:26] <ikonia> it just compiled and run for me
[17:26] <ikonia> no problem,
[17:26] <hardcold_> stepping out for a smoke
[17:26] <ikonia> it starts a daemon server
[17:28] <ali12341> wait don;t you need the separate game data to run it?
[17:28] <kevin__> Has anyone sucessfully got the application dropbox to work in ubuntu 11.04 beta 2? It seems to have installed correctly but I can not acess from unity toolbar or system tray.
[17:28] <ikonia> ali12341: yes
[17:28] <ikonia> ali12341: it will complain no data files found without them
[17:28] <wrefdsfds> hi
[17:28] <coz_> ah that's my problem..no game data files  duh
[17:28] <wrefdsfds> help
[17:28] <eQuale> dammit, still no quickstarter
[17:28] <ikonia> wrefdsfds: ask a question,
[17:28] <wrefdsfds> ok
[17:28] <eQuale> and actually, if I kill the splash screen, it starts within 20 seconds
[17:29] <eQuale> but still, anybody knows which package installs LO Quickstarter ?!
[17:31] <hardcold_> back
[17:32] <hardcold_> so, the app is compiled, my terminal is pointed at the alephone folder...
[17:32] <reagle> does anyone know what package pmi (suspend) is in, that's what i used to use in my scripts to suspend
[17:33] <kevin__> I just wanted to say that my Ubuntu 11.04 has been working well with some minor bugs and thank you everyone for making a great release.
[17:33] <reagle> ah powermanagement-interface
[17:33] <hardcold_> my eyes are burning
[17:34] <hardcold_> I've been up for 33 hours now
[17:35] <kroson> kevin__: enjoying unity? :)
[17:35] <hardcold_> okay, I am just going to past the last step then
[17:35] <hardcold_> ...
[17:35] <coz_> hardcold_,  well... no sleep is not going to help the situation for sure,,,,
[17:35] <coz_> I have to break here ,,  lunch time
[17:37] <roasted> whats up guys
[17:37] <kevin__> hello
[17:37] <roasted> just installed 11.04... I'm running dual screen but it defaults my unity bar on the far left. However, I want it on my right (main) monitor. Is that possible?
[17:38] <kevin__> yes I am enjoying unity very much :)
[17:38] <roasted> are you dual screening?
[17:39] <carli2> hi
[17:39] <Dr_Willis> Im not sure you can move the unity bar at all.
[17:40] <roasted> well
[17:40] <roasted> thats stupid
[17:40] <carli2> i have one thing to note at natty/ubuntu: when i click on a symbol, i dont see if i really clicked on it. so sometimes i start a program twice or dont know what happened. so please place there a visual signal when i clicked on a symbol
[17:40] <roasted> I hope it's available in the official release
[17:40] <roasted> because that's just... bad
[17:42] <eQuale> Dr_Willis: sir, do you eventually know, how can I have a LibreOfice Quickstart installed in Natty?
[17:43] <hardcold_> starts pretty quick for me
[17:44] <roasted> haaa. I got a little curious and just disabled the unity plugin in compiz
[17:44] <roasted> dont do that ;)
[17:45] <hardcold_> hmm
[17:46] <hardcold_> there is no alephone in my local share
[17:46] <hardcold_> I can't manually create a folder there
[17:46] <hardcold_> because it says I don't have permission to
[17:46] <hardcold_> I suppose there is a way to log in as root
[17:52] <roasted> ew
[17:52] <roasted> are they really keeping purple on the terminal window
[17:52] <slestak> anyone installed beta2 and preserved their ~ from another gnome distro?
[17:52] <slestak> i did that this am and the resulting natty is not functional
[17:55] <hardcold_> haha!
[17:55] <hardcold_> I just created the folder!
[17:56] <hardcold_> Ubuntu is my biXXX
[17:56] <hardcold_> Part of my interest in Ubuntu is forcing myself to gain a better understanding of the underpinnings of OSX
[17:57] <roasted> haa, OSX
[17:57] <roasted> gotta say... I havent missed it since my macbook died
[18:01] <hardcold_> IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[18:01] <bhavesh> ubuntu 11.04 beta boots up even slower
[18:01] <bhavesh> it booted in 29 seconds
[18:02] <hardcold_> I just forced the computer to create the folder, then pasted various chunks over and over
[18:02] <hardcold_> and it works
[18:02] <bhavesh> or 32 I guess, whats the reson behind this? becoz its a BETA?
[18:02] <bhavesh> or will it always boot this slower... forever?
[18:04] <BUGabundo> slow??
[18:04] <BUGabundo> that's really fast
[18:04] <bhavesh> there is no option to customize (reduce its size) the sidebar
[18:04] <bhavesh> no its not fast
[18:04] <BUGabundo> on HDD I used to have 1:40
[18:04] <bhavesh> ubuntu 10.10 used to boot in 20 secs
[18:04] <BUGabundo> on SSD I went to 19 sec
[18:04] <BUGabundo> then it upped a bit
[18:05] <BUGabundo> http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/
[18:05] <bhavesh> Oo the photo is too small
[18:06] <BUGabundo> click to zoom
[18:06] <BUGabundo> there's a full size on the right menu
[18:06] <bhavesh> ok
[18:06] <BUGabundo> http://s3.amazonaws.com/img.ourdoings.com/fj/kj/3ukj8g.png
[18:07] <BUGabundo> refresh to see of the newer
[18:07] <BUGabundo> still uploading
[18:08] <bhavesh> ok well some guy said there is something terribly wrong with my partitions : http://paste.ubuntu.com/594737/
[18:09] <BUGabundo> 24 sec here
[18:09] <bhavesh> good
[18:09] <BUGabundo> LOL
[18:09] <BUGabundo> you have paritions
[18:09] <BUGabundo> there's your problem :P
[18:09] <bhavesh> well this is a place to discuss only 11.04 stuff
[18:09] <bhavesh> coming back to the point
[18:09] <IdleOne> for starters you don't need 4 swap partitions
[18:09] <BUGabundo> why 4 swaps?
[18:10] <bhavesh> is there some way to customize 11.04 sidebar..?
[18:10] <IdleOne> only need 1
[18:10] <BUGabundo> I have ZERO
[18:10] <bhavesh> so I need to reduce my swap points
[18:10] <bhavesh> wont it be slow then?
[18:10] <BUGabundo> IdleOne: you "don't" need one
[18:10] <IdleOne> you only need 1 if you want a swap
[18:10] <BUGabundo> I have 4GBs of RAM
[18:10] <bhavesh> without swap wont my linux be slow?
[18:10] <BUGabundo> usually is enough
[18:10] <IdleOne> but yeah you don't "need" swap
[18:10] <bhavesh> I have 2
[18:10] <BUGabundo> unless I have a mem leak
[18:10] <BUGabundo> or want to hibernate
[18:10] <bhavesh> 2Gb of swap..
[18:10] <bhavesh> 2GB of RAM*
[18:11] <BUGabundo> plus SWAP on SSD is a big no no
[18:11] <BUGabundo> 2GB is starting to be little
[18:11] <bhavesh> ill unswap it later..
[18:12] <bhavesh> I need to reduce the size of my sidebar.... any way?
[18:13] <trism> bhavesh: in ccsm you can shrink the icons a bit in the unity plugin (down to 32 px)
[18:13] <bhavesh> ok ty
[18:23] <IdleOne> hardcold_: Please try and keep off topic comments out of #ubuntu and since you are using natty you should be talking in here as natty is still not officially supported in #ubuntu
[18:26] <slestak> i have a beta2 install that is not going well.
[18:27] <slestak> not my first install, I am a long time user.
[18:28] <itguru> Any Dell Inspiron Duo users in here getting more love from Natty than I am?! :)
[18:29] <slestak> i think i need to check my install media.  I have formatted both partitions I want to use and I am getting an error at the same point repeatedly
[18:29] <slestak> i am checkign syslog to try to get the error message
[18:29] <lcb> that's a good move
[18:29] <slestak> itguru: I am using an inspiron 1525, when you say Duo, do yu mean a Core 2 Duo?
[18:30] <slestak> lcb: i have seen the message 3-4 times in the last 15 minutes so I thought for sure I would remember it long enough to  get here :)
[18:30] <lcb> what type of error, slestak
[18:31] <topaz1> hello
[18:32] <topaz1> i am having random system freeze after upgrading to beta2 , total desltop freez
[18:32] <topaz1> desktop
[18:33] <slestak> ubiquity crash, gives me 3 options, to try again (with stern warning), continue, or abort.  I see a python traceback in syslog but it does not give much detail
[18:33] <slestak> topaz1: i saw that also on my first beta2 install this am.  it has just gotten flakier since then when I tried to reinstall
[18:34] <topaz1> are u using a ati gpu hardware
[18:34] <slestak> no,l nvidia
[18:35] <slestak> lcb: i am going to do a cold reboot.  my last attempt was a warm reboot
[18:35] <lcb> slacker_nl, is that on a virtual machine?
[18:35] <slestak> want me to pastebin this syslog output?
[18:35] <slestak> with vm's at my ubuntu loco meeting, had to use 2d unity
[18:36] <slestak> 3d accel unity was a nogo
[18:36] <lcb> slacker_nl,  there are several "bug" entries on launchpad regarding +/- that issue
[18:37] <itguru> slestak: No, i mean the awesome flip screen tablet :)
[18:37] <topaz1> unity/compiz is still flaky
[18:39] <slestak> lcb: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/372901/
[18:39] <bhavesh> I went to dinner and kept my ubuntu 11.04 on sleep when i returned I saw something is wrong with my sidebar and top bar http://i.imgur.com/7CVm2.png
[18:39] <bhavesh> they both are swizzled
[18:39] <bhavesh> nothing can be seen on it..
[18:39] <slestak> at 13:25:18, its having trouble mounting /target
[18:39] <bhavesh> and its still this..
[18:40] <lcb> "WARNING: Unable to find users: no seat-id found", slestak ?
[18:40] <slestak> above that
[18:40] <bhavesh> is it a bug? should I report it?
[18:40] <slestak> Apr 16 13:25:18 ubuntu ubiquity: umount: /target: device is busy.
[18:40] <lcb> ya, i see, but that one is not good
[18:41] <bhavesh> what happened?
[18:41] <slestak> i formatted the two partitions i want to use, because this is my 3rd install this am
[18:41] <slestak> so they should be empty and ready for use.
[18:42] <lcb> bug 710612
[18:43] <slestak> i am installing 32bit media
[18:43] <lcb> i see
[18:43] <slestak> i dont that is my issue.  i didnt get to Who Are You prompt.
[18:44] <slestak> at timestamp 149.917615 we canm see both ext4 fs are mounted ok
[18:44] <slestak> lcb: also, ty for discussing this w me.
[18:45] <slestak> ubiquity: debconf: DbDriver "targetdb": could not open /target/var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[18:45] <lcb> slestak, i'm looking at the bug repp/s
[18:45] <slestak> me too
[18:45] <slestak> googling
[18:46] <topaz1> also does any have this issue to when you logout and they to log in again you just get a blank desktop
[18:48] <ikonia> away
[18:48] <ikonia> oops
[18:49] <goruka> hi guys, I installed beta, and when i try to login, no matter if it's "ubuntu" or "ubuntu classic" it just says "failed to login", and prompts me to log out
[18:49] <goruka> any idea what can I do about it?
[18:49] <slestak> you can choose recovery mode in grub
[18:49] <bluefox83> goruka: did you do an upgrade?
[18:50] <slestak> and get a root prompt, and reset the users password
[18:50] <PauseBazinga> Xubuntu question: Xfce 4.8 is supposed to have support for dual monitors but all I can seem to get is clone/mirror behavior.  I don't see any options to change to span/extend, is it hiding somewhere that I'm not looking?
[18:52] <goruka> bluefox83: yes, upgraded to last
[18:52] <bluefox83> goruka: when's the last time you upgraded again?
[18:52] <slestak> lcb: mine might be 757720
[18:52] <topaz1> try sudo apt-get distupgrade
[18:52] <goruka> bluefox83: now
[18:53] <goruka> i just did upgrade, and this is how i ended up
[18:53] <bluefox83> goruka: sounds like you might have a partial upgrade...did everything completely install?
[18:53] <goruka> slestak: I went to the shell and using irssi, but not sure what can i recover
[18:53] <topaz1> ctrl + alt + f1
[18:53] <topaz1> s2witch to tty1
[18:53] <topaz1> and then do sudo apt-get update
[18:53] <goruka> bluefox83: how do i check if anything failed to install?
[18:53] <lcb> slestak, is that the only OS in there? i wonder if is anything related to this (it's lucid, but... ) http://goo.gl/pxM0W
[18:54] <topaz1> and then upgrade
[18:54] <goruka> topaz1: ok let me try that
[18:54] <topaz1> can u reach some form of UI
[18:54] <bluefox83> goruka: or you can so sudo apt-get -f install
[18:54] <slestak> i didnt see error 141, but i do have a pretty complicated partition table.  installing / on sda3 (a primary part) and /home on /sda5
[18:54] <bluefox83> if anything failed to install, that will force it
[18:54] <slestak> lcb: i did have mint debian on here
[18:54] <slestak> and still have win7 on sda1
[18:55] <lcb> so check that last one, slestak , might help
[18:55] <topaz1> yeah try that to good idea
[18:55] <slestak> that is the error i am getting
[18:55] <lcb> yeap
[18:56] <Zaherux> how do I disable global menus?
[18:56] <slestak> so it appear the answer is to install grub in the mbr when dual or triple booting?
[18:56] <trism> Zaherux: sudo apt-get remove indicator-appmenu; then log out/back in
[18:56] <slestak> I think that is where I installed it
[18:56] <slestak> let me try again
[18:57] <slestak> brb
[18:57] <Zaherux> excellent
[18:57] <Zaherux> cheers
[18:57] <topaz1> ok may the force be with u
[18:57] <donniezazen> Does Unity show what workspace you are on?
[18:58] <bluefox83> donniezazen: nope :/
[18:59] <goruka> bluefox83: nothing to distupgrade, nothing to fix with apt-get -f install
[18:59] <coz_> donniezazen,  there is an experimental plugin for compiz named  "Workspacenames"  you may have to compile it but not sure how effective it is on Unity
[18:59] <Zaherux> they're still there :(
[19:00] <goruka> yet when i try to login, it says that it can't log in
[19:00] <goruka> and logs me out
[19:00] <bluefox83> goruka: sorry, don't know what to tell you then :/
[19:00] <topaz1> so how do u log in?
[19:00] <topaz1> #goruka
[19:00] <slestak> no joy
[19:00] <coz_> goruka,  is this a clean install or an upgrade from 10.10  ?
[19:00] <goruka> it says "failed to load session ubuntu"
[19:00] <goruka> coz_: upgrade from 10.10
[19:00] <lcb> slestak, sorry... "so it appear the answer is to install grub in the mbr when dual or triple booting?" yes
[19:00] <goruka> also says "failed to load session ubuntu classic"
[19:01] <slestak> the mbr is where it was installed and where partman is selected to install it
[19:01] <coz_> goruka,   when you get to the login screen,, hit  ctrl+alt+F1   log in there   then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:01] <goruka> topaz1: i just login from (i think gdm?) neither ubuntu or ubuntu classic work, they say "failed to load session"
[19:01] <trism> Zaherux: did you log out/back in? (just tested it again, working here)
[19:01] <goruka> coz_: i did that, it says i'm at the latest version
[19:01] <Zaherux> yeah
[19:01] <lcb> slestak, but in meanwhile you repartitioned, wasn't?
[19:02] <coz_> goruka,  you did the  dist-upgrade?
[19:02] <slestak> i didnt repartition, i reformatted
[19:02] <goruka> coz_: yeah, it says it's up to date
[19:02] <slestak> i have used this setup quite a while
[19:02] <coz_> goruka,    ok then from that same area do    sudo   restart gdm
[19:02] <Zaherux> Hmm, it asked me that some packages could be removed after it did it, but I said no. Might that have canceled the command?
[19:02] <coz_> goruka,  see if it describes the errors in more detail
[19:02] <lcb> slestak, the installation partition only, isn't?
[19:03] <topaz1> gdm
[19:03] <slestak> yes, both sda3 and sda5 wee reformatted.  grub2 is installed on /dev/sda MBR
[19:03] <trism> Zaherux: which packages did it want to remove? it should really only be removing indicator-appmenu (and yes saying no canceled it so indicator-appmenu is still installed)
[19:03] <lcb> slestak, i would run what you had before installing that natty.
[19:03] <goruka> coz_: also i just noticed that gdm says my user is currently logged in (but i didn't log in)
[19:03] <Zaherux> ahhhh
[19:03] <lcb> slestak, and check filesystems etc
[19:03] <Zaherux> quite a few
[19:03] <topaz1> how are u online?
[19:03] <Zaherux> mainly libmenu stuff
[19:03] <Zaherux> can I have the command again sorry?
[19:03] <slestak> what is interesting, is install one did not exhibit this problem, just non-functioning desktop
[19:04] <topaz1> u must be logged in in some enivonment?
[19:04] <trism> Zaherux: sudo apt-get remove indicator-appmenu;
[19:04] <slestak> it is only the reinstalls that are having this error
[19:04] <guntbert> !u | topaz1
[19:04] <slestak> maybe something cached in usb persistant storage?
[19:04] <coz_> goruka,  mm  I have seen this on natty several times,  I am not sure what the issue is... I would suggest,, especially for pre release  is a clean install  or virtual install
[19:04] <lcb> slestak, that partition change, with multiple OSes should be done b4 installing another OS, so the previous grub put things in the right place
[19:05] <goruka> coz_: it's like it thinks i'm already logged in, but i'm not (there's not any process i see running even that would evidence that i'm even running X)
[19:05] <topaz1> untiy compiz is gonna give a hard time to lotaa ppl once its out
[19:05] <topaz1> brb
[19:05] <topaz1> brb
[19:05] <coz_> goruka,   ok  hit ctrl+alt+F1  then type  startx
[19:05] <Zaherux> ohhh I see what it's done
[19:06] <Zaherux> I didnt read it correctly
[19:06] <slestak> whatever the case, with empty partitions, I should be able to install or reinstall at will
[19:06] <Zaherux> it's just detailing packages that arne't needed
[19:06] <Zaherux> okay it should be working now
[19:06] <lcb> slestak, whit completely empty storage media...
[19:06] <slestak> i disagree
[19:07] <goruka> coz_: a huge gray dialog that says something has gone wrong appeared, and asks me to log out
[19:07] <slestak> if the installer gives you choices, then it should use the choices.
[19:07] <lcb> slestak, well, it looks like what you get is from those partitions changes while installing this new OS
[19:07] <goruka> coz_: it takes up the whole screen and asks me to log out
[19:08] <slestak> isnt that why i am in the beta irc channel to report a problem installing +1?
[19:08] <slestak> this is not my first install or distro.
[19:08] <lcb> slestak, you could report a bug
[19:08] <coz_> goruka,  mm  try  gnome-session-save --kill
[19:08] <slestak> yes
[19:08] <usumu> hi guys, I have a wifi question: dose anyone of you experienced, after a reboot the wifi card can't find any networks for 10-15 minutes, then it works normally without doing anything to it...
[19:08] <slestak> thx.  need to run.  i'll touch base with loco later and file a bug
[19:09] <slestak> ty for your help, :)
[19:09] <slestak> usumu: daemon.log has all the logs for NetworkManager
[19:09] <lcb> !bugs
[19:09] <goruka> coz_: i don't seem to have gnome-session-save
[19:09] <slestak> you will see what it was doing (or trying to do ) for thise 15 minutes
[19:10] <coz_> goruka,  did you download the iso for natty or just did the upgrade from terminal ?
[19:10] <goruka> coz_: i just used update manager
[19:10] <lcb> slestak, good look buddy :)
[19:10] <usumu> iwlist scanning "uses" also network manager ?
[19:10] <lcb> slestak, i mean luck lol
[19:11] <coz_> goruka,   I may get slammed for this,,, however,, the most consistent element of upgradeing one version of ubuntu to another is that it is inconsistenet
[19:11] <ubuntuguy> How do I install virtualbox 4.04?
[19:11] <coz_> goruka,   I always suggest a clean install... especially for pre release versions
[19:11] <lcb> ubuntuguy, use synaptic, for example
[19:11] <ubuntuguy> Can you walk me through/
[19:11] <coz_> goruka,  do you have  things that must be backed up  on that system or can you clean install?
[19:12] <lcb> ubuntuguy, maybe on #ubuntu
[19:12] <ubuntuguy> ugh, they'll just tell me to come here
[19:12] <guntbert> ubuntuguy: why do you need a walk through?
[19:12] <lcb> ubuntuguy, that's because we love Ping Pong :p
[19:13] <ubuntuguy> Well, I don't really know package manager
[19:13] <guntbert> lcb: this is still a support channel, so pleae don't tease
[19:13] <guntbert> ubuntuguy: well, 1 question remains: why do you use a beta OS?
[19:14] <goruka> coz_: i'd really rather not clean install, can't i just erase away some config somewhere?
[19:14] <ubuntuguy> I know everything else, but package manager
[19:14] <coz_> goruka,   ooo,,, well... troubleshooting an upgrade is a real Pain... not sure which configs you might want to erase
[19:15] <lcb> ubuntuguy, use synaptic as i said or type in a terminal '$ sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose' @ guntbert that was not teasing, in my line of education or IRC behaving
[19:16] <goruka> coz_: heh, i just moved away all configs in home and it didn't work
[19:16] <ubuntuguy> I already tried that command line
[19:16] <lcb> ubuntuguy, so what happened?
[19:16] <coz_> goruka,  yeah I suspected it wouldnt be that easy :)
[19:16] <ubuntuguy> I just didn't add ose to the end
[19:16] <ubuntuguy> seems to work now
[19:16] <ubuntuguy> WHat's ose?
[19:17] <coz_> ubuntuguy,  operating system embedded ?
[19:17] <ubuntuguy> Cool, thanks
[19:17] <lcb> ubuntuguy, that's the supported one from ubuntu. (in short words)
[19:18] <ubuntuguy> k
[19:18] <ubuntuguy> It's the most recent verison right?
[19:18] <lcb> yes
[19:19] <ubuntuguy> Thanks for the help man!
[19:19] <guntbert> ubuntuguy: if you need support for using virtual box: there is #vbox
[19:19] <trism> ubuntuguy: I think it is actually open source edition
[19:20] <ubuntuguy> Yeah, I just read on that
[19:20] <KipMacy> how do i set my default web browser?
[19:20] <PauseBazinga> answered the question I posted a minute ago, filing bug report.
[19:21] <lcb> KipMacy, 'Preferred Applications'
[19:21] <KipMacy> how do i get to that?
[19:21] <PauseBazinga> another question:  what package do I file a bug under if it's just a missing option on the "Display" gui that is available via command line?
[19:22] <usumu> how can i check the version of the network-manager ?
[19:22] <lcb> KipMacy, it's under the 'Any Key' :p Applications | Themes & Tweaks | preferrd ...
[19:22] <_|pegasus|_> hrhrhr
[19:23] <_|pegasus|_> i love that good old AnyKey-joke
[19:24] <lcb> :)
[19:25] <_|pegasus|_> he couldn't find it? *lol*
[19:26] <thevishy> how is natty ?
[19:26] <_|pegasus|_> Does anyone have an idea, why the launchbar won't keep the tvtime-icon in it? It keeps ebery icon, but the tvtime (while running - right-click - Keep in ...)
[19:26] <lcb> doing fine, on a weekend now, to relax
[19:26] <kroson> thevishy: always improving xD
[19:27] <thevishy> any speed improvement over lucid
[19:27] <_|pegasus|_> And if it keeps it - it doesn't run...
[19:27] <fatino> Hello, How to enable overclocking of nvidia graphic cards?
[19:27] <fatino> I know the Coolbits in xorg.conf method, but on natty there is no xorg.conf ^^
[19:28] <_|pegasus|_> fartino: Which game are you playing?
[19:28] <lcb> _|pegasus|_, do you get the icon on desktop?
[19:28] <fatino> Does it matter? CQB
[19:29] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: If i take the icon from the apps via drag and drop in it - its alright. Everything works. But then it has two icons from tvtime in it. I just wonder, cause that's not usual.
[19:29] <lcb> _|pegasus|_, search on the apps for tvtime, then drag it from there to the launchbar
[19:30] <lcb> yeap, that's one of the ways
[19:30] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: That's what i did - but have the whole time two icons of it.
[19:30] <kroson> thevishy: the speed improvements also depend on your hardware
[19:30] <thevishy> ok
[19:31] <fatino> So nobody knows how to overclock nvidia card on natty?
[19:31] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: Only wondering, cause it is the only app - and only since natty b2
[19:31] <lcb> remove one of the icons then
[19:32] <lcb> the one it's not working, as you said
[19:32] <lcb> _|pegasus|_,  if anything goes wrong you could $ unity --reset-icons
[19:32] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: That is, what i did. Now the following happens: The icon from the running tvtime - it blinks, but doesn't start.
[19:33] <lcb> look up !^
[19:33] <lcb> :)
[19:34] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: hmmm... no.
[19:34] <_|pegasus|_> then i keep 2 icons
[19:36] <lucas-arg> is anyone having problems with shutdown process?
[19:36] <fatino_> what kind of problems?
[19:37] <lucas-arg> well my laptop doesnt shutdown at all
[19:38] <lcb> _|pegasus|_,  you are confusing me.. let me read again since you came hEre
[19:39] <lcb> _|pegasus|_,  type in terminal ' $ unity --reset-icons ' and do the drag thing once
[19:40] <KM0201> lucas-arg,  does sudo shutdown -h now   shut you down (note, make sure any progress is saved before running that)
[19:40] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: no, i don't. That resetting the whole day and always reconfiguring - it's enough after two weeks beta. I'll keep it as it is.
[19:41] <lcb> _|pegasus|_,  btw, how did you manage to having tvtime sound workin?
[19:41] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: alsamixer -c 0 :)
[19:41] <lcb> rephrasing .. how did you manage getting tvtime wor...
[19:42] <lcb> ' tvtime -d /dev/video1 | arecord -D hw:1, 0 -r 32000 -c 2 -f S16_LE | aplay ' ??
[19:42] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: first created the /etc/modprobe.d/bttv
[19:43] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: told the kernel that it should load it on boot - that's it. works for me. I have an old TerraTV from '98 running. Still running ;)
[19:43] <lcb> _|pegasus|_,  i installed alsa and i run it with that command line
[19:44] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: in alsamixer i go to the port of the soundcard where the cable is plugged in
[19:44] <_|pegasus|_> unmute it and turn the volume up
[19:45] <lcb> _|pegasus|_, ack...  i get it from the embedded speakers this way
[19:45] <_|pegasus|_> but, as i mentioned: it has a cable from the card to the soundcard (realtek)
[19:45] <lcb> i wonder why there is no fix for tvtime yet
[19:45] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: which tv-card do you own?
[19:46] <lcb> a pinneacle one, usb
[19:46] <lcb> pinnacle, i mean
[19:46] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: the worst thing is, that i found no way but alsamixer to get that "input-ports"
[19:47] <lcb> _|pegasus|_,  yes, on another pc with an old tv card i have to do the way you did
[19:47] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: the normal gui doesn't show me that. It thinks, my radeon 3870 has a soundcard (no joke)
[19:48] <lcb> it's working, that's what matters
[19:49] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: but there is one thing i canÄt figure out: Nor tvtime nor another prog do find one channel. that one is missed. and i really don't understand that. in win (RIP and leave me alone ;) it works.
[19:50] <_|pegasus|_> ok, neither + nor...
[19:51] <lcb> _|pegasus|_, well, on mine i even have channels signaled as russians and i'm far away from that
[19:51] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: as russians? how is that possible?
[19:53] <lcb> _|pegasus|_, don't know, i have the channels, that's what i want. but tvtime recognize them as that.
[19:53] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: i did a tvtime-scanner; before that i told tvtime to look for all frequencies (you know, that point, where it tells us to run tvtime-scanner after)
[19:53] <lcb> for example, <station name="MCM Top"  ...       band="VHF Russia"   channel="SR17" ...  norm="PAL"  audio="auto"/>
[19:54] <_|pegasus|_> do they have vhf?
[19:54] <fyksen> Hey! I just installed gnome 3 on my ubuntu 11.04 beta2 box. It workds great. The only problem I got is that the "theme" are ugly.. It can't be right? Check this image: http://tinyurl.com/4yyntrt
[19:54] <lcb> _|pegasus|_,  let's open #ubuntu+1 for ppl issues :)
[19:55] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: Why open it? we are here ;)
[19:55] <lcb> _|pegasus|_, i have no clue. i use PAL indeed, but far away from Russia :)
[19:56] <lcb> _|pegasus|_,  natty issues...
[19:56] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: PAL is my standard in germany too. But i don't get russian stuff
[19:56] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: offtopic...
[19:57] <lcb> ya, that too. Dankeschön ;)
[19:58] <_|pegasus|_> Oh, you have a nice new char in that - looking strange ;)
[19:58] <lcb> hehehe
[19:58] <_|pegasus|_> ö
[19:58] <ub20> öh ??
[19:59] <ub20> sweden use ö and pal as well
[19:59] <th^^> is there any way to make unitys application top many show always like in mac? it's kind of unusable and annoying when it's in hover only.
[19:59] <_|pegasus|_> Looks like a questionmark in a 45 degree turned quader
[19:59] <lcb> _|pegasus|_, isn't that the way of spelling it?
[20:01] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: there's a special letter in it - like i told you: it's a questionmark in the quarter.
[20:01] <lcb> Schönen Dank (Many thanks); Besten Dank Natty (Best of thanks to Natty)
[20:01] <ub20> my compiz sucks today, it use 100% cpu after last updates..
[20:01] <th^^> anyone? :/
[20:02] <lcb> th^^,  you mean windows being on top?
[20:02] <mikebeecham> hi guys...I see thas Beta 2 is released...is it worth upgrading now, or wait for public release?
[20:02] <th^^> no, i mean the file, edit, etc application menus in top. they show only when you hover the top bar, unlike in mac where they're always visible
[20:03] <goruka> coz_: it seems at some point in the past (even before upgrading), some months ago i set a gnome3 ppa, but didn't install anything and forgot about it
[20:03] <th^^> i see no point in hiding them and it's annoying
[20:03] <lcb> th^^,  i see, as far as i know not yet
[20:03] <goruka> coz_: for some reason, the upgrader installed it and it instead of removing it
[20:03] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: Please use that special charakter again -  i changed the encoder now. Maybe it works now
[20:03] <coz_> goruka, ooo gnome 3 might be an issue  yes
[20:04] <lcb> _|pegasus|_, ö
[20:04] <goruka> coz_: i notieced that "gnome" was not installed and when i tried to install it, i discovered that somehow gnome 3 got installed from the ppa
[20:04] <coz_> goruka,  ok is itworking now ?
[20:04] <_|pegasus|_> lcb: Thanks, but doesn't work either.
[20:04] <th^^> alternatively.. is there any way to disable this top bar functionality and display menus inside apps like before?
[20:04] <goruka> coz_ question is how did it manage to install itself during the upgrade? :(
[20:05] <goruka> coz_: I'm installing gnome, and purged the ppa, so i hope this works
[20:05] <coz_> goruka,  that one I cant answer,, a glitch no doubt
[20:07] <lcb> th^^,  that's the way 11.04 is, for now. there are and there will be many tweaks
[20:07] <th^^> meh :/
[20:09] <lcb> th^^,  don't you get that in classic desktop?
[20:10] <coz_> goruka,  as long as its not gnome3  you should be fine however gnome should be in the repositories  not from a PPA
[20:10] <goruka> coz_: seems to work well now!! I finally can see unity
[20:10] <goruka> coz_, thanks a lot for your help!
[20:10] <coz_> goruka,  very cool :)
[20:10] <th^^> lcb: i dunno, i wanted to use unity but it seems still way unfinished/unconfigurable for daily usage
[20:11] <Rolaulten> Good afternoon - I'm wondering if anyone here is knowledgeable about touchpad issues - I'm attempting to get a acer aspire one netbook up and running ubuntu and I've run into one problem which google seems to be no help for - about 30 seconds after login OR after the first instance of a window has been lunched the mouse (regardless of if its a touchpad or external USB) gets locked out and is unable to click anything
[20:12] <lcb> th^^, is not unfinished, everything is done (cosmetically). but for whoever don't like unity 3d there are options on login where the interfaces are and behave differently
[20:15] <aguitel> lcb, when i boot with live cd it appears classic gnome desktop ,is this ok ?
[20:15] <lcb> aguitel, logout and try logging in to 'Ubuntu'
[20:16] <aguitel> lcb, it ask for me wth username and passwoerd
[20:16] <timmac> Hi there, can someone help with my install from usb? all goes fine booting from usb and then tells me it can't mound sys/mount/debug
[20:16] <timmac> and then a load of other stuff
[20:16] <lcb> aguitel, hit enter, unless you gave any user while loading, i don't know :)
[20:17] <aguitel> lcb, password incorrect say
[20:18] <lcb> aguitel, i didn't try it from live cd, probably there is some trick to do that.
[20:18] <PalinBachman2012> setting hot corners to activate with the mouse button is broken right now in compiz, right?
[20:19] <aguitel> lcb, you installed ?
[20:20] <lcb> aguitel, yes, several times/machines/ways. try ubuntu as username and hit enter
[20:21] <TheBuntu> just install ubuntu 11.02 beta2...how do i get gnome3
[20:22] <lcb> TheBuntu, not supported, yet
[20:22] <lcb> ...yet
[20:22] <penguin42> TheBuntu: You need to add a ppa https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3  but it's very volatile
[20:23] <TheBuntu> really none of 11.04 is suported yet
[20:25] <Daekdroom> !gnome3
[20:30] <aguitel> lcb, i logout and bootup with different ways but classic gnome appears
[20:33] <timmac> can anyone help me with my intsall issue? installing from usb and its telling me it cannot mount stuff
[20:33] <KM0201> can't mount stuff?
[20:33] <KM0201> very technical explanation there
[20:33] <timmac> yeah, cant mount sys/mount/debug
[20:34] <timmac> to start, and then a bunch of other stuff once I press s
[20:34] <arand> Presumably cant mount install media, since it thinks there should be a CD somewhere..
[20:34] <SMG1> hello, can some one tell me how to play quicktime in firefox4 linux?
[20:34] <KM0201> timmac, what installation are you using?... Live CD or Alt. CD?
[20:34] <arand> timmac: Is theis after or before installin it?
[20:35] <KM0201> cuz if you're trying the Alt. CD from the USB.. thats one reason to get that error.
[20:35] <timmac> arand, not sure what you mean about after or before, this is after the choose whether to install or boot from usb menu
[20:35] <KM0201> timmac, what ISO file did you put on the USB.. what as the name of it
[20:35] <aguitel> i am in live cd ,how i see unity ? coz classic gnome appears
[20:36] <timmac> KM0201, how can I tell if its alt or not? the iso is called ubuntu-11.04-beta1-desktop-i386.iso
[20:36] <KM0201> aguitel, if your pc doesn't support 3D out of the box, it defaults to Gnome Classic.
[20:36] <KM0201> timmac, ok, thats the live cd
[20:36] <TheBuntu> in jocky there is 2 nvidia drivers on 11.04...1 says recomended...the other says expirmental 3D suport or something in the area....whats the xpirmental  one
[20:37] <timmac> KM0201, so thats not the root of the problem?
[20:37] <KM0201> TheBuntu, i'm not sure, but i'd go w/ the recommended, unless you're prepared to trouble shoot problems
[20:37] <aguitel> KM0201, need to install privative drivers ?
[20:37] <KM0201> timmac, correct.. its not.
[20:37] <kroson> TheBuntu: im not sure, maybe nouveau with gallium3D?
[20:37] <KM0201> aguitel, yes.. which means most likely, its not gonna work on the live cd.. you'll have to install to try unity.
[20:37] <aguitel> KM0201, ok
[20:37] <TheBuntu> i am on the normal one..i was just wondering
[20:38] <arand> timmac: How did you create the usb, which tool?
[20:38] <timmac> arand, pendrivelinux.com one
[20:38] <arand> And maybe try another, and see if that works better
[20:40] <yofel> o/
[20:41] <KM0201> o/
[20:42] <timmac> arand, was that directed at me? if so, another what?
[20:44] <arand> timmac: There is the ubuntu usb disk createor, unetbootin..
[20:45] <KM0201> timmac, thats probably your problem, use ubuntu disk creator...
[20:45] <timmac> arand, will that take the ridiculously long time that the other one took?
[20:46] <KM0201> timmac, if you already have the ISO, all you need to download is the tool
[20:46] <SMG1> hello, how can I watch quicktime apple trailers in Firefox-4 (linux)?
[20:46] <KM0201> timmac, do you currently have windows installed?
[20:46] <arand> If you have an incredibly slow usb stick, and that is the isse, yes.
[20:46] <KM0201> yeah, i doubt it's the thumb drive, unless its just archaic.
[20:47] <timmac> arand, could be the problem, my usb ports are kinda fudged, but the actual stick is fine
[20:47] <KM0201> hmm
[20:47] <arand> Presumably though, if it does boot, from that point on the issues lie in the contents
[20:50] <timmac> well, I'm going to try making a new usb... we'll see how that goes
[20:59] <cbilljones> would it be possible to have OS drop to unity 2D when a VNC connection is established? Compiz really kills vnc connections :(
[21:00] <th^^> lcb: well, using menu-heavy applications like gimp and inkscape in unity is just soo burdening due top menu hiding :/
[21:00] <hardcold> have an x120e with beta 2 that won't connect to wifi networks
[21:00] <mongy> anyone help me with mounting my usb stick.  in 10.10 its fine..  Its just a 32gig stick split up into 2 fat partitions and 1 encrypted partition made with disk utility..  in 10.10 it prompts me to input password for encrypted partition and mounts fine, but in 11.04 it doesnt do anything, not even mount the fat partitions.  here is paste from dmesg http://pastebin.com/nvCUDrSZ
[21:01] <trism> th^^: sudo apt-get remove indicator-appmenu; then log out/back in will disable the global menu
[21:03] <th^^> trism: ty, much better
[21:06] <cbilljones> mongy gimp menus can be accessed by right clicking in window
[21:07] <cbilljones> i mean th^^ ^^
[21:08] <penguin42> mongy: does it show up in /proc/partitions ?
[21:08] <penguin42> mongy: And are you using unity or classic?
[21:08] <mongy> let me see
[21:08] <mongy> unity
[21:08] <th^^> cbilljones: i rather don't change the ways i've used the gimp for last 10 years :)
[21:09] <penguin42> mongy: I've not figured out where disc stuff is on Unity!   If I was on classic I'd run the gnome-disk mount app= and see if it'll let you mount it
[21:10] <mongy> damnit
[21:10] <mongy> they show up in nautilus and they mount when I click them..... asks for pass when I click the encrypted one..  just doesnt auto ask me
[21:10] <mongy> hmm ok not so bad then after all
[21:12] <kingrayray> hey guys does gnome still use gnome-settings-daemon?
[21:13] <penguin42> kingrayray: Still seems to be running here
[21:13] <kingrayray> kk. i'm actually running e17, i'm just going to use it to let gnome handle gtk fonts and stuff. =)
[21:13] <cyphase> wow.. i turned off chromium, and a few seconds later my session crashed
[21:13] <kingrayray> figured i'd check before an install ;)
[21:14] <cyphase> maybe that's what's been causing those few overnight session crashes i've had lately
[21:14] <kingrayray> not having chromium open enough? lol
[21:14] <cyphase> lol
[21:14] <cyphase> chromium itself :)
[21:14] <kingrayray> hehehe
[21:14] <kingrayray> i just added an omnibar to firefox4
[21:15] <cyphase> i mainly use firefox, i was just using chromium for a certain workspace
[21:15] <kingrayray> yeah i really like chromium, it and chrome on windows have been my main browser since the first release
[21:15] <kingrayray> but, new firefox. it deserves a chance :)
[21:16] <kingrayray> sry for OT chat :x lol
[21:16] <cyphase> oh, woops
[21:16] <cyphase> lol
[21:16] <cyphase> i thought i was in #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:19] <crazedpsyc> hello?
[21:20] <crazedpsyc> I just upgraded to natty, and Unity crashed (completely) every time I changed a setting in ccsm
[21:20] <crazedpsyc> is this a known bug?
[21:21] <arand> Is it a specific setting?
[21:21] <KM0201> i don't think so.. unity/ccsm has worked rather swimmingly for me
[21:21] <mongy> compiz restarts itself everytime I do something in ccsm...
[21:21] <crazedpsyc> nope, almost every single one
[21:22] <mongy> and I lose the files/folders dash and applications dash icons in launcher when it does
[21:22] <crazedpsyc> * well, it appears to have stopped crashing now
[21:22] <mongy> still very buggy, so close to release makes me wonder
[21:23] <crazedpsyc> after I pressed Control+Alt+F6 and ran killall5 several times (which foribly logs me out)
[21:23] <crazedpsyc> it is better, but I had to disable window previews because they froze and crashed the launcher every time they appeared
[21:24] <crazedpsyc> But hey, it looks good!
[21:24] <crazedpsyc> btw, how do I adjust the transparency of the top panel?
[21:25] <mongy> window previews dont show previews of apps on another desktop and dont always show the right app .. :(  but all in all, its a nice UI...
[21:25] <trism> crazedpsyc: there is an option on the experimental tab of the unity plugin in ccsm
[21:25] <crazedpsyc> Oh, thanks
[21:25] <crazedpsyc> I didn't see that tab
[21:27] <crazedpsyc> Is there a way to move the win buttons back to the right in unity? I'm just about to get the new ubuntu tweak...
[21:30] <KM0201> why woud you want Ubuntu Tweak
[21:31] <crazedpsyc> to tweak stuff ;)
[21:32] <robin0800> crazedpsyc, yes ubuntu-tweak can move those buttons
[21:33] <crazedpsyc> robin0800, Ok, thanks
[21:36] <crazedpsyc>  ubuntu-tweak depends on python (<< 2.7); however:   Version of python on system is 2.7.1-0ubuntu5
[21:36] <crazedpsyc> came up when installing UT
[21:39] <crazedpsyc> oh, that wasn't the latest unstable version...
[21:41] <crazedpsyc> I'm using the firefox Nightly build, can I get the globalmenu to work with this?
[21:42] <M3l7D0wN> hi
[21:42] <M3l7D0wN> just installed natty beta2, and grub2 uses fedora15's kernel and init in the ubuntu menuentry...
[21:43] <M3l7D0wN> is it a known issue?
[21:44] <crazedpsyc> Do you have fedora installed?
[21:44] <arand> M3l7D0wN: I would guess not, report bugs on launchpad.
[21:45] <hardcold> where is launchpad?
[21:45] <M3l7D0wN> crazedpsyc, yes
[21:45] <arand> !launchpad
[21:45] <timmacqueen> Hello, just installed natty on my computer connected to tv, which is 13X768 in resolution. This is whats showed in the monitor settings, but I'm still getting black bars on either side(not top and bottom) halp?
[21:47] <crazedpsyc> Have you tried rebooting with the tv still connected
[21:47] <crazedpsyc> ?
[21:47] <timmacqueen> yep
[21:47] <hardcold> simple question, how do I move a file into a protected folder? I've looked at commands, like sudo mv filename etc, but it won't work
[21:48] <hardcold> With OSX you can just assign yourself as root for a moment
[21:48] <crazedpsyc> hardcold, protected? run "lsattr [folder]"
[21:48] <hardcold> Can I not do this with ubuntu so I can drag and drop the file?
[21:48] <M3l7D0wN> sudo works
[21:48] <M3l7D0wN> hardcold, no
[21:49] <arand> hardcold: "sudo mv file /location" should work.
[21:49] <M3l7D0wN> the file folder doesn't integrate with sudo
[21:49] <M3l7D0wN> file manager*
[21:49] <M3l7D0wN> lol
[21:49] <hardcold> ubuntu says the file doesn't exist, and the folder doesn't exist
[21:49] <hardcold> but I can create folders without issue in it
[21:49] <arand> hardcold: Then that is the case
[21:49] <hardcold> but it won't let me put a file in it
[21:49] <guntbert> M3l7D0wN: with nautilus always use gksudo, never just sudo
[21:50] <arand> hardcold: So where are you moving the file, what command are you using?
[21:50] <M3l7D0wN> guntbert, I said that if you try to copy a file into a protected folder, nautilus doesn't offer to use administrator privileges
[21:51] <M3l7D0wN> which is the case for osx and windows
[21:51] <hardcold> sudo mv Paradise Lost XV.sceA /usr/local/shared/AlephOne/NetGames
[21:51] <arand> hardcold: sudo mv "Paradise Lost XV.sceA" /usr/local/shared/AlephOne/NetGames
[21:51] <hardcold> aha
[21:51] <arand> Spaces separate arguments in bash
[21:51] <guntbert> M3l7D0wN: of course it doesn't,
[21:52] <arand> alternatively escape the spaces:  Paradise\ Lost\ XV.sceA
[21:53] <arand> hardcold: If you use tab completion it will oftentimes do the space escaping for you
[21:53] <bin_bash> hey guise
[21:53] <robin0800> hardcold, you can always install nautilus=gksu
[21:54] <bin_bash> so guise i loaded up the livecd and it said no live desktop available what do
[21:54] <timmacqueen> shamelessly reposting problem- Hello, just installed natty on my computer connected to tv, which is 13X768 in resolution. This is whats showed in the monitor settings, but I'm still getting black bars on either side(not top and bottom)
[21:56] <hardcold> I'm such an idiot
[21:56] <hardcold> share not shared
[21:56] <hardcold> ^_-
[21:56] <hardcold> It's shared in OSX
[21:57] <hardcold> my first day with ubuntu and with command line
[21:57] <hardcold> little by little
[21:57] <guntbert> hardcold: use <tab> complete for file names
[21:58] <bin_bash> Has anyone else not had the livecd load for them?
[21:58] <bin_bash> any suggestions?
[21:58] <guntbert> !md5sum | bin_bash did you check?
[21:59] <bin_bash> I can't do that though
[21:59] <bin_bash> I'm using LOLOSX
[22:02] <M3l7D0wN> actually the correct ubuntu menuentry is placed by grub2 in "previous linux version"
[22:02] <M3l7D0wN> don't know why
[22:05] <crazedpsyc> why does the sound indicator keep blinking blue?
[22:06] <crazedpsyc> I don't even have a music player open...?
[22:06] <guntbert> bin_bash: http://www.macappguide.com/2009/04/28/quick-tip-check-md5sum-in-os-x/
[22:07] <jim__> Hi all, I have a question about the Unity desktop
[22:08] <jim__> I'm running the second beta CD and Unity doesn't come up
[22:08] <jim__> instead I get the GNOME interface
[22:09] <bin_bash> guntbert:  I got this
[22:09] <bin_bash> 7495e34f0fee92e7ec8efc0c93f97701
[22:09] <crazedpsyc> do you have a newish computer?
[22:09] <lcb> crazedpsyc, blinking or steady??
[22:09] <guntbert> bin_bash: compare it to the hash on the web site
[22:09] <crazedpsyc> Blinking, but every minute or so, not often
[22:09] <jim__> My computer is two years old
[22:10] <jim__> I'm using a NVidia GeForce 8400 GS card
[22:10] <guntbert> !hashes | bin_bash
[22:10] <crazedpsyc> jim__, that should support it...
[22:10] <bin_bash> Yeah it matches
[22:10] <crazedpsyc> jim__, did you make sure "Ubuntu" was the chosen session in gdm (when you log in)
[22:11] <lcb> crazedpsyc, try putting it on maximum output to check if you ear something
[22:12] <jim__> I'm running it in live mode I haven't installed it
[22:12] <crazedpsyc> lcb, my speakers are pretty loud, and they were muted before, so i'll try it on medium volume first, but good idea
[22:12] <crazedpsyc> jim__, then log out and pick "Ubuntu" at the bottom
[22:12] <jim__> does it give that option?
[22:12] <lcb> crazedpsyc, also, on 'sound preferences' and input, check microphone
[22:12] <crazedpsyc> jim__, it would give an error (i think) if your computer didn't support it
[22:13] <jim__> OK, I'll give it another shot and come back
[22:13] <crazedpsyc> jim__, also, remember to log back it ;D
[22:13] <crazedpsyc> *in
[22:13] <ramzy> jim__, i think that in live mode you are not using the nvidia driver...so unity wont apear
[22:14] <jim__> thanks for your help thus far
[22:14] <crazedpsyc> for me it auto-installed...
[22:14] <jim__> Is it possible to get the driver while in live mode?
[22:14] <ramzy> yes.....
[22:14] <ramzy> activate it , then log out and in again
[22:15] <crazedpsyc> jim__, search for nvidia in synaptic, or open system>admin>hardware drivers
[22:15] <jim__> OK thanks
[22:15] <bin_bash> So... since the md5 matches then what am I supposed to do?
[22:15] <crazedpsyc> anybody else finding it impossible to switch between windows with the unity launcher?
[22:16] <lcb> crazedpsyc, ALT + TAB?
[22:16] <lcb> crazedpsyc, the launcher... drag and drop. some are there for good (until you remove it)
[22:17] <bin_bash> Anyone?
[22:17] <lcb> nope
[22:18] <lcb> :)
[22:18] <yofel> unless crazedpsyc meens switching between open windows, which works fine by clicking on the other icon
[22:20] <bin_bash> Has anyone else had this desktop problemo?
[22:20] <lcb> oops. he dragged and dropped the connection
[22:21] <guntbert> bin_bash: you did actually boot from the live CD?
[22:21] <bin_bash> guntbert:  as opposed to what?
[22:21] <lcb> bin_bash, let me scroll back and try to have my common sense  +  a bit of 11.04 usage help :)
[22:22] <guntbert> bin_bash: as opposed to try to start it from within your current OS
[22:23] <bin_bash> oh. No, I booted the CD
[22:25] <lcb> what's lolosx you are running, bin_bash ?
[22:25] <guntbert> bin_bash: and did you get the grub menu?
[22:26] <crazedpsyc> lcb, thanks
[22:26] <bin_bash> i'm running 10.06
[22:26] <bin_bash> guntbert:  I got a cli
[22:26] <lcb> crazedpsyc, did you drag and dropped the internet connection also? :o
[22:26] <crazedpsyc> Unity crashed compiz again, this time it was when I was enabling the "Put" plugin
[22:27] <crazedpsyc> lcb, I couldn't focus on the firefox window without a window mgr :p
[22:27] <guntbert> bin_bash: a CLI? the first thing should be two symbols (keyboard and ??) at the bottom
[22:27] <bin_bash> yeah that was the VERY first thing I got
[22:27] <bin_bash> then it said ubuntu with the dots and tried to load
[22:27] <bin_bash> and then it said "no desktop available" or something of the sort
[22:28] <lcb> crazedpsyc, check natty's help site for the shortcuts. (Put plugin allows you to put any active window on screen on any viewpoint, or any position by using keypad bindings)
[22:29] <jozefk> is there some way to put system monitor to the panel in unity, just like it was simple and easy to do in gnome?
[22:30] <guntbert> bin_bash: when that symbol appears press a key, you should get the old menu
[22:30] <crazedpsyc> lcb, isn't Put also the one that nicely puts unexpected windows (eg, the update manager) next to the active window?
[22:30] <minashokry> hello, can't boot ubuntu on my new computer, I see error message can't open /dev/sr0 no medium found
[22:30] <bin_bash> okay i'll try that
[22:30] <bin_bash> brb
[22:30] <lcb> crazedpsyc, http://goo.gl/Pwxq1
[22:30] <yofel> jozefk: you'll need an indicator for that from what I know, someone said once there was a PPA for it, but I don't know which one
[22:31] <crazedpsyc> lcb, thanks for that :)
[22:31] <sebsebseb> What's Unity actsaully like, now that it's re done with Compiz?  Well I will find out soon anyway, but uhmm still the question
[22:31] <jozefk> can I use gnome instead of unity in ubuntu 11.04?
[22:31] <lcb> crazedpsyc, i don't know about yr last question. i don't use any plugins yet, until final release
[22:31] <sebsebseb> jozefk: there's a ppa for Gnome Shell for 11.04, but that will brake Unity
[22:31] <crazedpsyc> the hold super shortcut is awesome!
[22:31] <penguin42> jozefk: Old gnome just works
[22:31] <sebsebseb> jozefk: and then as far as I know, you can't just get Unity back either
[22:31] <yofel> jozefk: select ubuntu classic on login
[22:32] <minashokry> lcb, you still here? I am who was asking from few hours
[22:32] <lcb> crazedpsyc, ya, gives you the lottery numbers
[22:32] <sebsebseb> jozefk: and if you mean Gnome 2, then yeah the  Ubuntu classic desktop
[22:32] <yofel> sebsebseb: both unity and gnome2 are installed by default
[22:32] <jozefk> ok. i'll try ubuntu classic
[22:32] <yofel> ah, you meant 3
[22:32] <jozefk> thanks
[22:32] <lcb> minashokry, ask what? :o
[22:32] <sebsebseb> yofel: yes I meant 3, but I think jozefk meant 2
[22:32] <jozefk> I mean any gnome. gnome 2 or 3 I don't care. I liked gnome
[22:32] <frith> ah setting unity's sidebar to 32x32px is so good on this netbook
[22:33] <crazedpsyc> can I get nautilus 3 beta on natty?
[22:33] <jozefk> or maybe i will try kde :))
[22:33] <jozefk> kde could work also
[22:34] <minashokry> lcb, I still can't boot ubuntu on my new computer. I get a message can't find medium with live file system and casper.log says cn't open /dev/sr0: no medium found
[22:35] <KM0201> woops, wrong X
[22:35] <lcb> minashokry, you need to instruct BIOS the medium order to boot, i believe
[22:35] <sebsebseb> yofel: anyway about to get the Beta 2 ISO, I want to be running Gnome Shell or  Unity on this computer now,  and so going to go for Unity for now,  try it out for about three or four weeks or something like that I guess,  maybe longer then that, but I know I would probably want to be running  Gnome Shell really in the long term
[22:35] <minashokry> lcb, I am booting from a live cd and from start up usb. both same result
[22:35] <sebsebseb> long term/run
[22:35] <lcb> minashokry, "new computer". you know 11.04 is still beta, don't you?
[22:36] <minashokry> lcb, yes ..... tried 10.10 gives same
[22:36] <KM0201> minashokry, whats wrong?
[22:36] <yofel> hm, which reminds me I need to see if gnome-shell starts again here
[22:36] <KM0201> sorry, was playing quadrapssel
[22:36] <lcb> minashokry, so.. again, i think it might be the booting setup in your bios.
[22:36]  * sebsebseb will even do a clean install later on at some stage with the final,  which would probably be a bit pointless, when starting with beta 2, but still.
[22:37] <minashokry> lcb, what order do you suggest?
[22:37] <KM0201> sebsebseb, i do the same thing
[22:37] <sebsebseb> !upgrade
[22:37] <sebsebseb> !final
[22:37] <bin_bash> Okay I tried that
[22:37] <sebsebseb> KM0201: what the bot says, depending on how someone wants to look at it, isn't quite true, as I know from expereince of trying out other development versions
[22:37] <sebsebseb> KM0201: hence the clean install idea :)
[22:38] <KM0201> sebsebseb, i totally agree, been there done that got the t-shirt
[22:38] <lcb> minashokry, if you are booting from CD put it first, second usb third USB etc... it depends what type of machine is that
[22:38] <sebsebseb> with  the final later on
[22:38] <bin_bash> And I was able to select "try without installing"
[22:38] <lcb> 3rd, hard drive, i mean
[22:38] <KM0201> sebsebseb, no argument from me, i totally agree with you, and do the same thing
[22:38] <minashokry> lcb, dell xps 15
[22:38] <guntbert> !who | bin_bash
[22:38] <sebsebseb> KM0201: yeah :)
[22:38] <minashokry> lcb, I am booting from usb start-up
[22:38] <sebsebseb> KM0201: shame I got to run Unity in Ubuntu at the moment, but it will come to other distro's later on anyway so :)
[22:39] <KM0201> ya
[22:39] <bin_bash> guntbert:  I was able to select English, and then Try Without Installing. After it started loading the Ubuntu Logo I got a cli with the error: "Unable to find a medium containing a live file system"
[22:39] <lcb> minashokry, on DELL, i think is DEL to enter the bios setup. don't play with it unless you are very sure what you are doing though. i have one dell too with windows but never went to bios
[22:40] <KM0201> minashokry, you might also see a message that says "Press Fxx for boot options"... and it will let you select your boot device for a one time boot, rather than making a permanent change in the bios.
[22:40] <KM0201> w/ my Acer, is F12
[22:41] <lcb> minashokry, you might have there startup priority, or order or something. put USB 1st, CD 2nd, HD 3rd
[22:41] <KM0201> lcb, whats his dell model again?
[22:41] <lcb> dell xps 15
[22:41] <guntbert> bin_bash: ah, that could mean that either the burning went wrong or the CD drive is ....., from the afore mentioned menu you should be able to select "check CD for defects" (or so) - please do that
[22:41] <minashokry> lcb, KM0201, it isn't boot order, ubuntu splash shows and starts then I stop at initramfs with the message I said
[22:42] <KM0201> oh ok.. sorry, i thought you were having trouble etting the device to boot.
[22:42] <KM0201> my bad
[22:42] <lcb> minashokry, but is looking for installing medium, isn't?
[22:42] <lcb> minashokry, burn the iso again. checksum it, use unetbootin for usb
[22:42] <bin_bash> guntbert:  verify burned data is selected
[22:43] <minashokry> lcb, I tired many ubuntu images
[22:43] <minashokry> lcb, all give the same message and stop in same point
[22:44] <lcb> minashokry, ur right, /dev/screen.... might be a corrupt image
[22:44] <bin_bash> minashokry: what message are you getting
[22:44] <guntbert> bin_bash: ok, but you still should check the running CD for errors
[22:45] <minashokry> bin_bash, "can't find a medium containing a llive file system"
[22:45] <bin_bash> That's the exact error I'm getting
[22:45] <Hobart> Just did the update to the beta, now X hangs on boot.  Alt+SysRq+R lets me switch to another virtual terminal though.
[22:45] <Hobart> Can someone assist me with finding who I should inform? :-)
[22:45] <bin_bash> It seems like minashokry and I are having the same problem
[22:45] <penguin42> This is from a usb thumb boot?
[22:46] <bin_bash> Mine is from a CD
[22:46] <yofel> Hobart: if it's X that doesn't start check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:46] <penguin42> bin_bash: So what's the last thing you see on the screen?
[22:47] <sebsebseb> KM0201: going back to my comment about having to run Unity in Ubuntu at the moment,  well that's not quite true I guess,  I guess loads of distros based on it could run it at the moment really,  but anyway I am going to try out the Compiz version in 11.04 beta 2 like I said.
[22:47] <Hobart> yofel -> segfault.
[22:47] <lcb> minashokry, that /dev/sr0 means is not finding the CD. try burning the image again.
[22:47] <KM0201> hmm
[22:47] <penguin42> lcb: Actually that's an unusual failed image error
[22:47] <lcb> yeap
[22:47] <yofel> Hobart: file it against the driver I would say
[22:47] <bin_bash> the ubuntu splash and then a cli "[initranfs] unable to find medium containing a live file system
[22:48] <minashokry> lcb, I tried booting from live cd and from start-up usb
[22:48] <penguin42> bin_bash: ok, I'm wondering if it's not finding your CD drive
[22:48] <lcb> penguin42, but is happening often on this user
[22:48] <Hobart> yofel -> 'k... just go to ... launchpad I think ?
[22:49] <Hobart> yofel -> anything special I should do since this is a test of natty ?
[22:49] <yofel> Hobart: run 'apport-cli <driver package>' (works over ssh too)
[22:49] <penguin42> bin_bash/minashorkry: Could you both from that initramfs prompt do an ls /sys/class/block   and see if there is an sr0 or sr1 or the like there?
[22:49] <yofel> Hobart: what driver?
[22:49] <Hobart> yofel -> trying that, thank you very much
[22:49] <Hobart> http://jb.org/journal/2011-04/natty-x-segfault.txt
[22:49] <Hobart> fglrx
[22:49] <penguin42> bin_bash/minashorkry: Also what hardware are you guys using?
[22:50] <minashokry> penguin42, I have sr0 but not sr1. I am using Dell xps 15
[22:50] <penguin42> minashokry: OK, that's good - now what error do you actually see?
[22:51] <minashokry> penguin42, unable to find a medium containing live file system
[22:51] <bin_bash> penguin42:  let me reboot again and try that
[22:51] <lcb> "ubuntu splash shows and starts then I stop at initramfs with the message  can't find medium""casper.log says cn't open /dev/sr0: no medium found"
[22:51] <bin_bash> ls/sys/class/block
[22:52] <bin_bash> or ls /sys/class/block
[22:52] <penguin42> minashokry/bin_bash: OK, when you guys do, also cat /proc/partitinos and see if that show sr0 and also do ls -l /dev/sr0 to see if it actually exists
[22:53] <penguin42> partitions even
[22:53] <guntbert> bin_bash: the latter
[22:53] <bin_bash> partitinos or partitions?
[22:54] <minashokry> penguin42, cat /proc/partitions shows 4 lines for sda, sda1, sda2,sda3
[22:54] <bin_bash> ok brb
[22:54] <minashokry> penguin42 ls -l /dev/sr0 brw------- 1   11,    0 /dev/sr0
[22:55] <strav> he. Any one tested their favorite emacs config on ubuntu 11.04 beta2? (I'm getting lots of menu glitches)
[22:56] <penguin42> minashokry: OK, I just checked /proc/partitions doesn't show it anyway
[22:56] <lcb> partitions, he corrected that :p
[22:57] <minashokry> penguin42, yes
[22:57] <lcb> oops, sorry. that was typed before, disregard
[22:57] <nmpribeiro> hi there
[22:58] <Hobart> yofel -> Bug #763130 filed, anything else I can contribute to help ? :)
[22:59] <lcb> minashokry, you are not installing, isn't? you are only running live cd.
[22:59] <nmpribeiro> apt-get install (any deb package) Err http://archive.ubuntu.com/****:80 failed. Too many open files -> Never saw this one.... nor been able to google this problem. Anyone please? :)
[22:59] <minashokry> penguin42, any suggestions/
[23:00] <penguin42> minashokry/bin_bash: Hmm not really - it's obviously finding your cd drive, otherwise there wouldn't be the /sys/class/block/sr0 and with /dev/sr0 existing that all looks good
[23:01] <penguin42> minashorkry: You could try from that prompt seeing if the iso is already mounted or try mounting it and see if there is an error
[23:02]  * Arjen tips his hat. Hello there!
[23:02] <lucas-arg> is there any way to show menus in Appmenu without having to place the mouse pointer in the bar?
[23:03] <Hobart> anyone know how I can reconfigure X to use vesa or something 'til fglrx or another driver work?
[23:03] <Arjen> I can't launch my Chrome from Unity. Does Chrome need a plugin for it?
[23:03] <penguin42> Hobart: Were you previously using fglrx?
[23:03] <slestak> i believe you can run xorg in a way to dump an xorg.conf to disk
[23:03] <Hobart> penguin42 -> yes.
[23:03] <slestak> then you can modify it and change the driver to vesa
[23:03] <penguin42> Hobart: Check if you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf and if you do move it out of the way
[23:04] <Hobart> slestak -> OK. Is there a way to re-invoke the driver probe that takes place during initial install?
[23:04] <slestak> brb, rebooting
[23:04] <Hobart> penguin42 -> OK, trying. Thank you!
[23:04] <slestak> i dunno, so much of x is magic now
[23:04] <slestak> most ppl dont have an xorg.conf i suspect
[23:05] <bin_bash> penguin42:  I tried everything you suggested. I do not have sr0
[23:05] <penguin42> bin_bash: Where? You don't have /dev/sr0 or you don't have /sys/class/block/sr0 ?
[23:05] <bin_bash> no /dev/sr0
[23:05] <bin_bash> no such file or direcrtory
[23:06] <penguin42> bin_bash: OK, did you have /sys/class/block/sr0 ?
[23:06] <bin_bash> No
[23:06] <penguin42> bin_bash: OK, so your problem is the kernel isn't finding the CD drive at all
[23:06] <bin_bash> Wehn I did ls
[23:06] <bin_bash> it showed cdrom
[23:06] <bin_bash> when I tried to mount it
[23:06] <penguin42> where?
[23:06] <bin_bash> just ls
[23:07] <penguin42> without knowing which directory that was in it doesn't help much I'm afraid
[23:07] <penguin42> brb - going to get some food; back in 10min
[23:07] <bin_bash> the initranfs
[23:07] <strav> still no emacs users around?
[23:07] <strav> (got no feedback in #emacs)
[23:08] <slestak> maybe do dmesg | grep cd
[23:08] <slestak> or dvd or sr
[23:09] <orgy> Anyone else having a minor issue with the background in unity when first logging in? IT looks like its set to 640x480 on my 1920x1080 monitor until i click the background once. Any insight?
[23:09] <Edwisoca> i have a problem, i'm trying to install ubuntu on my hp dv5 2146la, core i5, 4 gb of ram, 500 hard drive, im trying with ubuntu 11.04 B2, im trying with wubi, installing ubuntu inside windows, but when i restart the computer i just get a blackscreen, i press the caps lock button and it works, but the system does not start, please help
[23:09] <jim__> Hi all, I solved my problem with Unity
[23:10] <lcb> orgy, yes and might be resolved
[23:10] <bluefox83> Edwisoca: i've read some warnings saying not to install using wubi because there are some serious problems with the installer
[23:10] <jim__> crazedpsyc I installed the OS and after downloading the NVidia driver
[23:11] <jim__> everything worked fine
[23:11] <lcb> orgy, it's the kind of issue that doesn't bother too much
[23:11] <KM0201> bluefox83, wubi, generally is not a good idea.
[23:12] <lcb> bluefox83, that's from what version/iso?
[23:12] <bluefox83> KM0201: i agree, cus it runs in windows, and windows is a bad idea all-around ;)
[23:12] <sebsebseb> bluefox83: use real partitions, Wubi can result in nasty issues
[23:12] <bluefox83> lcb: i don't know it was on the website :/
[23:12] <orgy> ok cool, i was just curious its the last weird issue I have been dealing with on 11.04. Thanks
[23:12] <bluefox83> sebsebseb: i wouldn't ever use wubi...i wouldn't ever use windows ;)
[23:12] <KM0201> sebsebseb, exactly... you screw up in Ubuntu just good enough, you'll brick both OS's... in a normal dual boot system, most of the time, at least one OS will be safe ( as long as you're not being really wreckless)
[23:12] <lcb> ohh. i think that wubi thing is corrected already
[23:13] <Edwisoca> thanks bluefox83 but i also try installing with the ubuntu 10-04 cd i got from canonical but it also freeze the screen but the buttons still works,
[23:13] <sebsebseb> lcb: no in geeneral, Wubi is known to get nasty issues at times
[23:13] <lcb> i never tried that. but looks a fun thing to do
[23:14] <lcb> :)
[23:14] <bluefox83> Edwisoca: why the old cd and not the latest beta iso?
[23:14] <Edwisoca> i try with both
[23:14] <Edwisoca> and nothing
[23:14] <Edwisoca> i just get a black screen but the buttons still works
[23:15] <sebsebseb> Edwisoca: try a proper partitioned dual boot
[23:15] <sebsebseb> Edwisoca: no Wubi
[23:15] <Edwisoca> mmm
[23:15] <sebsebseb> Edwisoca: or just wait untill the final for Ubuntu 11.04, I get the impression your new to this stuff really
[23:15] <Edwisoca> yes
[23:15] <Edwisoca> ejejejejej
[23:15] <Edwisoca> but
[23:15] <Edwisoca> why the 10.04 cd does not work?
[23:15] <Edwisoca> i keep getting a black screen
[23:16] <sebsebseb> Edwisoca: ok wait untill the final, it comes out April 28th,  then download the ISO for 11.04,  md5sum check,  burn to CD, try it
[23:16] <sebsebseb> !md5sum
[23:16] <sebsebseb> Edwisoca: what graphics card you got?  and stuff like that?
[23:17] <sebsebseb> which Windows is on your computer?
[23:17] <Edwisoca> core i5, 4 gb ram, intel hd graphics, 500 hd,
[23:17] <Edwisoca> windows 7,
[23:17] <sebsebseb> Edwisoca: core i5 ???
[23:17] <Edwisoca> aja
[23:17] <sebsebseb> is that, that new Intel graphics card I read about?
[23:17] <Edwisoca> yes
[23:17] <bin_bash> Edwisoca: Are you using a macbookpro
[23:17] <Edwisoca> no, hp dv5 2146
[23:18] <bin_bash> Are you new to ubuntu?
[23:18] <sebsebseb> Edwisoca: uhmm  there was some Intel graphcis card or whatever, that was really new, and well no Linux distro support for it yet
[23:18] <sebsebseb> Edwisoca: could be the one you have
[23:18] <Edwisoca> this is my pc http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/co/es/ho/WF06b/321957-321957-3329744-64354-64354-4210545-4311592.html?jumpid=reg_R1002_COES
[23:18] <sebsebseb> in general Linux distributions work or work best, with hardware that isn't to new, and that isn't to old, and is pretty standard
[23:18] <slestak> sebsebseb: i5 is the dual core optio now from intel
[23:18] <slestak> i3 == celeron
[23:19] <slestak> i5 == core2 duo
[23:19] <sebsebseb> slestak: hmm ok, but Ubuntu 10.04 won't have support for that?
[23:19] <slestak> i7 == quad core
[23:19] <bin_bash> sebsebseb:  no never
[23:19] <sebsebseb> slestak: ,but 11.04 might?
[23:19] <bin_bash> sebsebseb:  11.04 BARELY has support for it
[23:19] <sebsebseb> bin_bash: well there we go then, that's why Edwisoca is getting problems it seems then
[23:19] <slestak> i5 is not the video card, that is the cpu designation
[23:19] <bin_bash> The GPU is the problem
[23:19] <bin_bash> there's no support for it yet
[23:19] <Edwisoca> Gráficos	Intel® HD Graphics
[23:20] <sebsebseb> yes that's what I was on about whatever graphics card, they got, no support for it yet probably
[23:20] <Edwisoca> ummmm, but i want to try ubuntu, what can i do?
[23:20] <slestak> do an lspci and get us the chipset number
[23:20] <bin_bash> There /are/ drivers but they're not really supported yet
[23:20] <sebsebseb> Edwisoca: if you have a to new graphics card, well Linux distro's won't have support yet,  or hardly have support
[23:20] <bin_bash> Edwisoca:  wait until the full release
[23:20] <Edwisoca> ok, thanks
[23:20] <sebsebseb> Edwisoca: maybe you can do a virtual machine try inside Windows of Ubuntu
[23:21] <sebsebseb> bin_bash: final will have support?
[23:21] <bin_bash> sebsebseb:  it should. there's minimal support for it right now.
[23:21] <bin_bash> sebsebseb:  http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_i32100_graphics&num=1
[23:22] <sebsebseb> Edwisoca: good to try  a few distro's by the way :)  since well Desktop Linux and all it's various distro's makes it really great :) anyway have fun with that
[23:22] <slestak> have we ascertained what chipset it is, nit by name but by number?
[23:23] <Edwisoca> <IP_ADDRESS>2 ?
[23:23] <Arjen> Since I was AFK for a while, I'll ask again and hope it's not rude. :)  - Anyone know why I can't launch Chrome from Unity? The open animation plays, but the browser never gets launched. :<
[23:25] <lcb> Arjen, did you install it from ... where?
[23:25] <Arjen> lcb, The debian package from their site.
[23:26] <lcb> arand, what's the name of that package, can you get it?
[23:26] <lcb> Arjen..
[23:26] <Arjen> *giggles* That was almost typo'd Arend, which is also one of my names. Sec. I deleted the deb file already.
[23:27] <lcb> sudo apt-get --purge remove 'that_package_name' && sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[23:27] <Arjen> Oh. I should have gone with Chromium? D:
[23:27] <lcb> yes
[23:27]  * Arjen facepalms.
[23:27] <lcb> :)
[23:27] <Arjen> I'm such a noob.
[23:28] <lcb> it works fine, i use it, besides flamesfox
[23:28] <Arjen> I stopped using FF... Not sure why. It started being so bloaty a while ago. xD
[23:28] <Arjen> But -- ok. For future reference
[23:28] <bin_bash> Arjen:  your personality is so.... bubbly.
[23:29] <lcb> Arjen, it's good, i use both. chromiun is relatively new and missing some things we are used to have it on ff
[23:29] <Arjen> It remembers the .deb filename of the installer, and removes the packages it installed?
[23:29] <arand> Well it is not particularly a matter of chrom/chromium, but rather that chromium is the version in the ubuntu repository.
[23:29] <Arjen> bin_bash, I'll take that as a compliment. :]
[23:29] <Arjen> I'm just excited my lady is visiting tomorrow. It's been a month. So I might be a bit... 'bubblier' than normal.
[23:30] <lcb> lol
[23:30] <Arjen> Shush! I got engaged, that stuff's supposed to make you bubbly! >.<
[23:30] <lcb> Arjen, get a nice desktop background so she will be happy
[23:31] <Arjen> I went with the ragged looking sign. xD
[23:31] <lcb> congrats Arjen
[23:31] <bin_bash> All the emoting is making me twitch, quite honestly.
[23:31] <bin_bash> I also could have sworn you were a girl
[23:31] <lcb> hehehehe
[23:32]  * penguin42 returns
[23:32] <Arjen> I'm sorry... (Not really.) I'll try to keep the emoting to myself.
[23:32] <bin_bash> Welcome back penguin42 :)
[23:32] <lcb> Arjen, it's ok, as soon as her name isn't Natty
[23:32] <Arjen> Luckily it's not :P
[23:32] <sianhulo> how do i know if i have unity 3d¿?
[23:33] <lcb> Arjen, i only hope you both would always have unity
[23:33] <sebsebseb> sianhulo: ok got 11.04 installed recently?
[23:33] <maco> bin_bash: i see no denial of being a lady....
[23:34] <bin_bash> maco:  LOL
[23:34] <Arjen> Hahah, insert product placement icon <here>.
[23:34] <sianhulo> yes, just yesterday
[23:34] <Arjen> maco, LOL, consider this your denial.
[23:34] <sebsebseb> sianhulo: ok and it looks like a previous version of Ubuntu right now, right?
[23:34] <bin_bash> penguin42:  when I do ls in the initranfs I see cdrom
[23:34] <bin_bash> then when I do mount cdrom it says can't read /etc/fstab no such file or directory
[23:34] <sianhulo> well it have a panel in the left side
[23:34] <Arjen> Although if I was a sexy engaged lesbian, I'm sure support offers would pop up like wildfires!
[23:35] <sianhulo> and the menu of aplication is inside upper panel
[23:35]  * rww grabs the steering wheel and turns  the channel back in the direction of 11.04 discussion and support
[23:35] <sebsebseb> sianhulo: ok if you got something that looks like a dock from Mac OS X, going down the left,  then sure you got Unity by the sounds of it
[23:35] <penguin42> bin_bash: OK, I'm not quite sure why that cdrom is there - mount cdrom wouldn't work automatically, and if you don't have a /dev/sr0 or /sys/class/block/sr0 I'm not too surprised
[23:35] <sianhulo> yes
[23:35] <maco> *shrug* ok. just seemed like "is dating a female human" was not exactly something that gives away a person's gender
[23:35] <sebsebseb> sianhulo: and if you didn't get a message saying that you had to use the fall back before, because a graphics driver was missing,  then eyah
[23:36] <penguin42> bin_bash: can you boot into a different Linux - ideally an older Ubuntu?
[23:36] <sianhulo> i just remember a message about a crash of gsettings or something like that
[23:36] <Arjen> lcb, that didn't actually work... I tried the package name but it just failed. Heh
[23:36] <bin_bash> penguin42:  I can boot into 10.04 but it doesn't work
[23:36] <lcb> penguin42, i still believe both of them have "corrupted" images
[23:36] <sebsebseb> sianhulo: well sounds like you got Unity
[23:36] <sianhulo> my problem is tht i have an integrated video card(intel)i fear it wont compatible with unity 3d
[23:36] <sebsebseb> sianhulo: take a screenshot if you want, but it sounds like your already running Unity
[23:36] <penguin42> bin_bash: OK, well look it's worth as lcb trying another cd burn after redownloading - if that doesn't work I'd like to see a dmesg from a Linux that boots
[23:37] <lcb> Arjen, try trough synaptic then
[23:37] <Arjen> Thanks lcb.
[23:37] <penguin42> lcb: Yeh it's worth a try for a new image - although the lack of /sys/class/block/sr0 is surprising
[23:37] <sianhulo> but rher is not an unity 2d and a unity 3d?
[23:37] <bin_bash> penguin42:  Alrigh I'll re-download and then re-burn and then I can boot into 10.04 (it boots but I have NO drivers) and I can try dmesg
[23:37]  * sebsebseb has his beta 2 downloading a bit slow, but getting there
[23:37] <penguin42> bin_bash: What's your hardware?
[23:38] <sebsebseb> sianhulo: no Unity 2D in Ubuntu 11.04, unless people use an optional ppa
[23:38] <lcb> penguin42, we didn't ask what image is that caming from.. who know for instance from daily were at some point damaged?!
[23:38] <sebsebseb> sianhulo: the fall back mode for Ubuntu 11.04 is Gnome 2 with the Ubuntu developer patches
[23:38] <penguin42> lcb: Oh good point
[23:38] <sebsebseb> sianhulo: for 11.10 it seems that Unity 2D will be the fall back instead
[23:39] <sianhulo> i heard that there is problem with gnome shell and unity, if i install gnome shell unity will crash?
[23:40] <sebsebseb> sianhulo: Ubuntu 11.04 hasn't been designed for people to have both without issues, as a result if you install Gnome Shell from the ppa,  Unity will stop working and well as far as I know you won't just be able to have Unity working again after either
[23:40] <lcb> i only install daily/s but i love to destroy and recovering systems :)
[23:40] <bin_bash> penguin42:  MacBook Pro i5 San2.3 GHz i5, Intel HD MATSHITA DVD-R UJ-898
[23:41] <sianhulo> and if i install it and after quit it, unity will be still having problems?
[23:41] <penguin42> bin_bash: OK, give a new install a go - is taht the really recent sandy bridge mac?
[23:41] <sebsebseb> sianhulo: (also really Ubuntu 11.04 should be using Gnome Shell by default since that's from upsteram Gnome, but no Canonical have their own interface idea's hence Unity made for desktops as well starting with 11.04 not just netbooks like 10.10)
[23:41] <bin_bash> penguin42:  yeah early 2011
[23:42] <sianhulo> i dont like unity, it has a lot of problems :(
[23:42] <bin_bash> sianhulo:  use gnome 3 :D
[23:42] <Arjen> I'm curious about Gnome 3
[23:42] <penguin42> bin_bash: OK, give a new image a go but I wouldn't be surprised if you're seeing a kernel bug not recognising the hard drive on there - I'd try a thumb drive install
[23:42] <Arjen> Then again I'm still curious about nearly anything since I'm so new to linux lol.
[23:42] <lcb> sianhulo, a short answer... just install it. you gonna have gnome and unity. but read a bit about 11.03, updated info on topic
[23:42] <sebsebseb> sianhulo: if you want to try out Gnome Shell as well, that's great :) you can get a Fedora or OpenSuse Live CD, for the proper expereince http://gnome3.org
[23:42] <sianhulo> i can't use alt + tab, and i dont know hot to switch between 2 windows(of the same progam)
[23:42] <bin_bash> penguin42:  Yeah if only I could find my thumb drive!
[23:42] <lcb> 11.04
[23:42] <penguin42> Arjen: I gave it a go - it seems different from Unity - it seems more stable and in some ways less drastic - but I don't like what they did to workspaces
[23:43] <sebsebseb> sianhulo: some distro's already using Gnome 3 and Gnome Shell by default, but yep Fedora 15 will when it's released.  loads of choice :)  ,but personally  I woudn't use Ubuntu for Gnome Shell.
[23:43] <Arjen> Oh. What -did- they do? I was going to try it after tinkering with Unity
[23:43] <Arjen> (to workspaces that is, penguin42)
[23:43] <sianhulo> wait, i'll comeback in a while
[23:43] <Hobart> yofel / penguin42 / slestak -> Okay, what worked was purging all 'fglrx' packages, then doing updatedb / locate fglrx , then doing "for foo in `locate fglrx`; dpkg-query -S $foo; done" , then renaming out every file on the filesystem that ...
[23:43] <Edwisoca> thanks, im gonna wait for the final release, bye
[23:43] <penguin42> Arjen: They only have a vertical set of workspaces and a lot of the shortcuts about moving things between workspaces has gone - and I'm a strict 3x3 workspace guy
[23:44] <Hobart> ... contained 'fglrx' except for the two that were part of packages (app-install-data and x11-common each own one).  *then* X worked.
[23:44] <Arjen> 3x3!
[23:44] <bin_bash> penguin42:  I found my pen drive I'll try doing that
[23:45] <lcb> bin_bash, i like using unetbootin for that, at times
[23:45] <lcb> gives you some more options
[23:45] <bin_bash> what
[23:45] <bin_bash> lcb:  what is unetbootin
[23:45] <lcb> to do your usb
[23:45] <lcb> apt-get install unetbootin
[23:46] <bin_bash> I can't cuz I'm usin lolosx
[23:46] <lcb> what the heck is that? i asked you before. sorry, i was born last century
[23:46] <bin_bash> oh it's mac os x
[23:46] <KM0201> lcb, the version in the repos never works for me.. i have no idea why...
[23:46] <sianhulo> i got back, well, i know that if i install gnome shell unity will die, but gnome shell will have problems?(yes, i konw tha i am an annoying)
[23:46] <bin_bash> I just say lolosx because it's a laughable system
[23:46] <lcb> ahh ok.... bin_bash  :)
[23:47] <KM0201> bin_bash, no access to a windows or linux machine at all?
[23:47] <penguin42> bin_bash: http://sourceforge.net/projects/unetbootin/files/UNetbootin/549/unetbootin-mac-549.zip/download   for macos
[23:47] <bin_bash> KM0201:  Nupe
[23:47] <lcb> bin_bash, yes it is. look if unetbootin is available for that. i believe so
[23:47] <bin_bash> penguin42:  thanks
[23:47] <KM0201> bin_bash, well.. well that sucks. that is one thing ive found, making a bootble USB in Mac, is tough
[23:47] <lcb> KM0201, i use it.. and works. FROM ISOs, not from the dropdown menu
[23:47] <KM0201> can't believe nobody has made a utility to do that yet
[23:47] <penguin42> unetbootin is available for everything
[23:48] <KM0201> penguin42, not for mac
[23:48] <penguin42> KM0201: I posted a link to it!
[23:48] <bin_bash> KM0201:  I'm DLing it now
[23:48] <bin_bash> LOL
[23:48] <KM0201> oh wow, i didn't know there was a mac version
[23:48] <KM0201> is that recent?
[23:48] <aauthor> On natty I installed linux-generic-pae linux-headers-generic-pae, but my (32-bit) system is still showing only 3.2gb RAM.  Any ideas?
 bin_bash: http://sourceforge.net/projects/unetbootin/files/UNetbootin/549/unetbootin-mac-549.zip/download   for macos
[23:49] <KM0201> well, unetbootin will certainly make it easy
[23:49] <penguin42> dunno - I just found it on their site
[23:49] <lcb> so there is one :P
[23:49] <penguin42> aauthor: Do you see more than 3.2GB of RAM in any other OS?
[23:49] <KM0201> lcb, it's gotta be fairly new.. it wasn't thre as of about 5 weeks ago, when i was helping a machead setup  aUSB
[23:49] <aauthor> Yes, on my ubuntu 10.10.
[23:49] <lcb> KM0201, i used a mac machine about 20 yrs ago... never used one again
[23:49] <penguin42> aauthor: OK, can you post a dmesg from the system booted with the pxe kernel?
[23:50] <bin_bash> lcb:  yeah i got it
[23:50] <penguin42> lcb: They have almost nothing in common with old macs
[23:50] <aauthor> penguin42: Sure thing, just a second.
[23:50] <KM0201> aauthor, you shouldn't have "install" the pae kernel... when the installer detects over 3gigs, it installs it automatically
[23:50] <bin_bash> penguin42:  so I just select 11.04 Live_x64
[23:50] <penguin42> bin_bash: Can't remember but sounds promising!
[23:50] <lcb> penguin42, i believe so. my idea is still that is the type of OS better for strong multimedia pulling apps
[23:51] <KM0201> bin_bash, if thats what you want... you could also download the ISO using a torrent then use the option to navigate to an ISO you've downloaded
[23:51] <aauthor> penguin42: http://paste.ubuntu.com/594987/
[23:52] <lcb> bin_bash, why 64? is that really what you want?
[23:52] <aauthor> KM0201: When did Ubuntu start doing that?  I've always had to manually install the pae on my x32 versions of Ubuntu.
[23:52] <bin_bash> lcb:  why not 64?
[23:53] <penguin42> aauthor: Are you sure that's the PAE kernel - I'd expected it to say
[23:53] <Arjen> Oh snap. That did not help me at all.
[23:53] <Arjen> I can't launch Chromium from the Unity bar either.
[23:53] <lcb> bin_bash, by the way, does that machine supports it, fully? (i mean about ram etc)
[23:53] <aauthor> penguin42: ...?
[23:53] <KM0201> aauthor, to my knowledge, it has always done it.
[23:53] <Arjen> It just blinks as if it's doing something, stays highlighted, and stops. No launching.
[23:53] <bin_bash> lcb:  yeah 4 gigs
[23:54] <thiebaude> then 64bit makes sense then,lol
[23:54] <lcb> bin_bash, go for it then. download latest release
[23:54] <thiebaude> :)
[23:54] <penguin42> aauthor: Doesn't look like that's the PAE kernel
[23:55] <lcb> Arjen, that's weird. did you --purge remove previous one?
[23:55] <Arjen> Yes
[23:56] <lcb> Arjen, everything launches well?
[23:56] <aauthor> penguin42: I ran "sudo apt-get install linux-generic-pae linux-headers-generic-pae" is there anything else that I need to do, so that I'll boot with the pae kernel?
[23:56] <Arjen> Chromium works
[23:56] <Arjen> But it won't launch from Unity - Same as Chrome
[23:56] <bin_bash> Hey guise
[23:56] <Arjen> However if I do it via the Ubuntu icon, then "browse the web", it boots up <1sec
[23:56] <bin_bash> Should I try the Alternate Intstall?
[23:56] <lcb> Arjen, can you elaborate a bit, pls
[23:56] <Arjen> I open Chrome(/ium)
[23:56] <lcb> Arjen, what you mean "from unity'?
[23:57] <Arjen> I sticky it on Unity
[23:57] <Arjen> The Unity bar. On the left.
[23:57] <Arjen> How should I be calling it?
[23:57] <penguin42> aauthor: I think I'd expect that to work, you could try running update-grub from a command line and see what it says, and also just check at the grub menu what options you have
[23:57] <bluefox83> i'd really like to make chromium browser my default browser, but that doesn't seem to be working out for me...is there a config file i can edit someplace where i can set the default?
[23:57] <lcb> Arjen, try, on CLI ' /usr/bin/chromium-browser %U '
[23:57] <KM0201> bin_bash, alternate install doesn't work from USB
[23:58] <bin_bash> KM0201:  okay forget that then
[23:58] <lcb> Arjen, you can call it whatever you want, as long as google ppl don't get offended :)
[23:58] <KM0201> bluefox83, just set chromium as default under preferred applications
[23:58] <KM0201> problem solved
[23:58] <Arjen> KM0201, bluefox83, I just did the same thing - it is default but it says it's not.
[23:59] <aauthor> penguin42: Thanks, I'm going to restart and see if the pae kernel pops up.  BRB
[23:59] <orgy> Arjen, I have chromium on my unity bar and it works fine. Are you running chromium stable or a daily build?
[23:59] <lcb> bluefox83, did you try "Preferred Applications"?
[23:59] <bluefox83> thank you, preferred apps worked fine...lol
[23:59] <bluefox83> i can't believe that didn't occur to me D:
[23:59] <lcb> :p