[01:54] <theine> Hi, if I install vflib3, I get the following error message many times:
[01:54] <theine> Debian::Defoma::Id::defoma_id_register at line 37 in /var/lib/defoma/scripts/vflib3.defoma: (AlMothnna Bold, /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-arabeyes/ae_AlMothnna_bold.ttf, 20): Illegal argument.
[01:55] <theine> Many times but each time for a different font that is
[02:44] <Kyral> Ooops, hit the wrong button....
[02:45] <LaserJock> oops ;-)
[02:46] <Kyral> Quite interesting experiment. I was in the computer labs and I started an Ethereal trace. While it was tracing I portscanned my computer in my room with nmap
[02:48] <Kyral> While the nmap results were what I expected (SSH was open, which was expected because I set my iptables to let me SSH from those labs)
[02:49] <Kyral> the Ethereal trace was most interesting
[02:54] <LaserJock> Kyral: how so?
[02:55] <Kyral> All the packets it fired at my computer
[02:55] <Kyral> it was a flood!
[02:57] <lifeless> what did you expect ?
[02:58] <Kyral> Well, what was better was that they were all dropped ;P
[03:04] <Kyral> This is boring. I can't wait for Dapper to open. I'm not used to not having updates for weeks
[03:05] <ajmitch> Kyral: sid
[03:06] <Kyral> Nah, it would be too hard to get to it from my current config, though it would be interesting
[03:12] <Kyral> I mean is it just me or have no updates been released in like the past few weeks?
[03:13] <ajmitch> no updates for..?
[03:13] <Kyral> Breezy
[03:13] <ajmitch> the last one I saw for breezy was 3 days ago
[03:14] <Kyral> if there have been it hasn't been for anything I have
[03:14] <ajmitch> probably not
[03:14] <ajmitch> it's only critical fixes
[03:14] <Kyral> yah...after months of loads of daily updates, it feels wierd not having them
[08:50] <\sh> moins
[09:09] <pef> hello
[09:10] <Treenaks> g'morning
[09:47] <dholbach> good morning
[09:53] <lucas> hi dholbach
[09:53] <dholbach> hai lucas
[09:54] <dholbach> hellas ogra
[09:56] <zyga> hey ogra, lucas, dholbach in fifo order
[09:56] <dholbach> :)
[09:57] <siretart> morning MOTUS!
[09:57] <Mortas> moin
[09:57] <dholbach> hey reinhard, hey mortas
[10:08] <_Tonio_> morning all
[10:11] <dholbach> hey _Tonio_
[10:12] <_Tonio_> fine ?
[10:12] <_Tonio_> dholbach: We finally organised with JRe and a few personns on #kubuntu-fr and we have build a little repo
[10:13] <_Tonio_> backporting to breezy and submitting a maximum packages for dapper ;)
[10:13] <dholbach> why do you do an own repo?
[10:13] <_Tonio_> why ?
[10:13] <dholbach> we have an official backports team now
[10:13] <_Tonio_> yep, but how to submit packages ?
[10:13] <dholbach> we can mail to ubuntubackports@ and let stuff be backported
[10:13] <_Tonio_> well I'd be glad to add them to the backports
[10:14] <dholbach> stuff that is in the archive can be backported (if it makes sense)
[10:14] <dholbach> revu is the other way to submit packages
[10:15] <_Tonio_> dholbach: isn't backports supposed to be for already packages applications ?
[10:16] <dholbach> for stuff that is already in the archive yet
[10:16] <dholbach> yes
[10:16] <_Tonio_> okay, in fact we are going to submit all of those packages or dapper
[10:16] <_Tonio_> and provide a breezy version
[10:16] <dholbach> hrm
[10:17] <_Tonio_> dholbach: I can understand
[10:17] <_Tonio_> but well, if those cannot be added to the backports......
[10:17] <_Tonio_> getting wlassistant or codeine packages can be interesting for breezy users waiting for dapper ;)
[10:18] <dholbach> i think we should test stuff a bit in dapper
[10:18] <dholbach> but ok, i can't stop you from doing it :)
[10:18] <_Tonio_> but anyway, if you have another solution than building a repo, I'd be glad to go in another way
[10:18] <dholbach> none that would make you happy
[10:18] <_Tonio_> dholbach: understand me, I've done a repo because backports isn't supposed to host new packages ;)
[10:19] <dholbach> *nod*
[10:19] <_Tonio_> our goal is to see all our packages in universe
[10:19] <_Tonio_> that's the goal and will always be ;)
[10:19] <dholbach> the problem is: what will do with bug reports? ask first from which repo they are?
[10:19] <_Tonio_> yes I understand this............
[10:20] <siretart> _Tonio_: I'd also suggest getting your stuff/packages into dapper, and ensure that the source package also builds in breezy
[10:20] <siretart> _Tonio_: and you'll get official backports for free
[10:20] <_Tonio_> siretart: that's what we're gonna do
[10:20] <_Tonio_> but getting a package in dapper can take month ;)
[10:21] <_Tonio_> in fact any package added to dapper would be deleted
[10:21] <siretart> _Tonio_: then we should work on this problem
[10:21] <dholbach> that's life
[10:21] <_Tonio_> dholbach: ;)
[10:21] <dholbach> honestly, we work a lot to get rid of external repos
[10:22] <dholbach> because they're a bit problematic
[10:22] <dholbach> we worked hard to integrate backports into ubuntu itself (as an official project)
[10:22] <_Tonio_> yep
[10:22] <dholbach> before each release, we try to integrate as much from apt-get.org as possible
[10:22] <dholbach> and we have a big bunch of MOTUs who try to get in the best of the OSS world as a package
[10:23] <dholbach> you know that packages in external repos get stale
[10:23] <dholbach> and they're often buggy (no offense towards you, you do a good job)
[10:23] <_Tonio_> no but I know that you're right....
[10:23] <dholbach> and to ask in a bug tracker "where did you get the package" is really not, what i want to do as a standard question
[10:24] <dholbach> i understand, that users press us to get as much software out as possible
[10:24] <_Tonio_> the problem is that you know, it is VERY frustrating to see that an application that is not added at the release date will probably never be, until in the next version
[10:24] <_Tonio_> ;)
[10:24] <dholbach> and that we are all annoyed after waiting for reviews/...
[10:24] <_Tonio_> no but I understand your point of view.....
[10:24] <dholbach> but that's necessary to ensure quality
[10:25] <dholbach> that's how we invite people to play with dapper
[10:25] <dholbach> because that's the development cycle
[10:25] <_Tonio_> yep, I'll send that log to JRe if you don't mind
[10:25] <dholbach> no problem... i can't stop you from doing it, really
[10:25] <_Tonio_> well the goal will not change, but we may use the repo only for private use
[10:26] <_Tonio_> dholbach: I wanna contribute, not creating problems :)
[10:26] <dholbach> yeah
[10:26] <dholbach> i'll try to help you achieving that goal
[10:26] <Lathiat> i guess the problem here is that the backports mandate is only to backport new packages from dapper right? as such theres a hole people want to fill
[10:26] <_Tonio_> the goal will be the same, the result will be the same, except that we will have to wait for the packages to be added ;)
[10:26] <_Tonio_> patience
[10:27] <_Tonio_> but that's better for everyone and I perfectly understand this
[10:27] <dholbach>  /me hugs _Tonio_ :)
[10:27] <_Tonio_> dholbach: ^_^
[10:28] <_Tonio_> what could be interesting is maybe allow some new packages in backports
[10:28] <dholbach> that should be discussed on ubuntu-{devel,backports}@
[10:28] <_Tonio_> I mean, it is said and know that backports repos are not safe for stability
[10:28] <_Tonio_> and there has been new packages in backports in the past
[10:28] <_Tonio_> remember java, w32codecs and many more
[10:28] <dholbach> erm
[10:28] <dholbach> those were the unofficial ones
[10:29] <dholbach> we can't ship sun java and w32*
[10:29] <_Tonio_> yes... rules are today different
[10:29] <dholbach> ah ok, yes
[10:29] <_Tonio_> dholbach: understand me, many many people for example are using wifi
[10:30] <_Tonio_> and one of the best tools for this (and maybe the only one for kde) is wlassistant
[10:30] <dholbach> i understand that perfectly
[10:30] <dholbach> some of my packages weren't brought in either
[10:30] <_Tonio_> the package didn't go in universe for lack of time reasons that I can understand
[10:30] <dholbach> i'd say, get it into dapper asap
[10:30] <dholbach> the archive isnt open yet, so we could do some reviews too
[10:31] <dholbach> then discuss NEW packages in ubuntu-backports@ on the mailing lists
[10:31] <_Tonio_> but well, it's problematic to say that something giving a response to one of breezy's problems cannot be added ;)
[10:31] <_Tonio_> that's what we wanted to provide, but anyway, it creates more problems that it resolves so, private use, and let's go for dapper
[10:33] <dholbach> maybe we can establish the need for those and create rules for those types of backports
[10:33] <_Tonio_> for specific packages that would be good
[10:33] <_Tonio_> it is not very common, but a few packages are really filling a hole sometime, and wlassistant is one of this
[10:43] <_Tonio_> dholbach: the repo is closed to the public, let's go for private use, and concentrate on dapper
[10:43] <dholbach> ok :)
[10:47] <_Tonio_> dholbach: I finally understood that you don't want a Suse-like package management ^_^
[10:47] <_Tonio_> I left Suse for this reason ;)
[10:48] <dholbach> suse-like?
[10:48] <_Tonio_> have you managed to work with Suse ?
[10:48] <_Tonio_> repos are a complete mess !
[10:49] <dholbach> ah yes :)
[10:49] <dholbach> i remotely remember :)
[10:55] <herzi> dholbach: morging
[10:55] <herzi> morning
[10:56] <dholbach> hellas herzi
[10:56] <dholbach> so you made it to hamburg alright :)
[10:56] <herzi> yes
[10:56] <dholbach> i suppose you slept well
[10:57] <herzi> and it was a great trip: 19:45 the ice starts at berlin zoo; 19:50 my notebook starts playing music (using mplayer because of that gstreamer-alsa bug); 20:50 the album finishes, i wake up and there's only 25 minutes left
[10:58] <dholbach> sounds like good timing
[10:59] <herzi> yes, the train was 5 minutes earler than expected, just nice to see that train can arrive in time
[11:14] <ajmitch> hm
[11:14] <ajmitch> a bunch of zope packages are getting removed from debian since noone loves them
[11:15] <ajmitch> I wonder what we should do with them
[11:15] <ajmitch> since I know that at least 1 of them on the list is used :)
[11:15] <HiddenWolf> ajmitch, seriously, nobody loves zope? ;)
[11:15] <ajmitch> :P
[12:16] <mahangu_> anybody know how to make a cvs checkout of a previous revision?
[12:18] <ajmitch> mahangu_: cvs co -r <revision>
[12:18] <ajmitch> iirc
[12:30] <lifeless> mahangu_: hahahahaha
[12:31] <lifeless> mahangu_: cvs does not have that concept.
[12:31] <lifeless> mahangu_: the closest you can come is date based, or use one of the wrapper scripts like cscvs/cvsps etc
[12:32] <mahangu_> lifeless, what's the syntax ajmitch just used?
[12:32] <lifeless> it checks out a single files revision, or a tag.
[12:33] <lifeless> i.e. if you tagged 'pre-release-1.4' you can cvs co -r pre-relase-1.4
[12:33] <lifeless> likewise, if you want foo.c rev 1.3, you can cvs co -r 1.3 foo.c
[12:33] <lifeless> but rev numbers are per file not repo whide
[12:33] <lifeless> *wide*
[12:33] <lifeless> so cvs -r 1.3 ..project
[12:33] <lifeless> will give you *very* strange results
[12:34] <ajmitch> lifeless: silly me, I haven't been using cvs for too long :)
[12:34] <lifeless> ajmitch: np:)
[12:34] <lifeless> its not like you *expect* software to be brain damaged
[12:35] <mahangu_> ah
[12:35] <ajmitch> I've been caught up using svn at work
[12:35] <mahangu_> lifeless, currently only one file
[12:35] <mahangu_> should be alright?
[12:35] <ajmitch> & cursing its poor branching & merging
[12:35] <lifeless> ajmitch: bzr, bzr, bZR, BZR
[12:35] <ajmitch> oh I'd like to :)
[02:07] <Kyral> *groan* Another Bug against VLC to reject
[02:08] <Kyral> people really hate that wxwidgets switch....
[02:16] <HiddenWolf> Kyral, unusable vlc was worse
[02:16] <spacey> that related to why vlc is so ugly now?
[02:17] <HiddenWolf> spacey, yeah, the new version was horribly broken the day before release, so they switched to the older toolkit.
[02:17] <Kyral> and people haven't stopped complaining
[02:17] <spacey> but before it was looking good and working
[02:17] <Kyral> personally I never used the Playlist so I didn't understand until crimsun explained it to me
[02:17] <HiddenWolf> spacey, it wasn't, at all.
[02:18] <spacey> i could play my movies
[02:18] <spacey> :D
[02:18] <spacey> worked fine
[02:19] <Kyral> Yah same here. I have half a mind to build a VLC against 2.6 and release it Backports style
[02:20] <Kyral> Your Mileage My Vary ;P
[02:20] <spacey> :>
[02:21] <Kyral> Thing is building it against Sid is a PAIN. And I have class so cya
[02:22] <slomo> \sh: ping?
[02:24] <dholbach> hi slomo
[02:24] <slomo> hi dholbach :)
[02:25] <zakame> good evening pht :)
[02:26] <marcin> hi all
[02:26] <marcin> got a question - is there available package with php manual?
[02:26] <marcin> and if not (I think it isn't but not sure) then why? is this about license?
[02:27] <Lathiat> no but www.php.net is great, www.php.net/function and it does a search :)
[02:27] <marcin> I would like to prepare such package but in texi format for emacs but license is not gpl - I'll have to ask for permisiion
[02:27] <Lathiat> also i see a php3-doc, none for later versions tho, weird
[02:28] <Lathiat> you can docs in various formats from php.net, no idea on the license
[02:28] <marcin> and not sure if they will allow to modify their documentation
[02:28] <marcin> it's PHP License - you can distribute but need permission form PHP
[02:29] <marcin> it's called Open Publication License, v1.0
[02:29] <marcin> http://www.opencontent.org/openpub
[02:29] <Lathiat> open pub?
[02:29] <Lathiat> beer free too? :)
[02:30] <marcin> could be :)
[02:30] <Lathiat> doubtful :(
[02:30] <marcin> question where is this pub - hope that not too far from me
[02:30] <marcin> anyway I would like to patch emacs info-look.el
[02:30] <marcin> and add support for context sensitive help mode for php
[02:31] <marcin> but the problem is with format - I need to convert docbook to texi/info format (but it's my problem)
[02:31] <marcin> and another thing is that license
[02:32] <lucas> dholbach: you there ?
[02:32] <dholbach> yes
[02:33] <lucas> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTURuby
[02:33] <lucas> the "Thoughts about management of packages in universe"
[02:33] <lucas> this applies to all MOTU teams, not just ruby, so I'd like to move it elsewhere
[02:34] <lucas> but I'm not sure where
[02:35] <dholbach> lucas: hmm
[02:35] <lucas> (I know there are some mistakes in this)
[02:35] <dholbach> lucas: of course being in sync with debian is good
[02:36] <dholbach> lucas: but this shouldn't be the only goal of a MOTU*Team
[02:36] <\sh> slomo: pong
[02:37] <lucas> dholbach: I know. however, i'm not interested in forking debian packages inside MOTURuby
[02:37] <dholbach> lucas: you focus quite heavily on it... i mean, seeing things realistically and not clinging to goals we can't achieve is ok, but if we feel the need to get a new version in or do things differently than debian, then we should do it
[02:37] <Lathiat> 2/3 of those scripts down the bottom already exist
[02:37] <dholbach> lucas: it has nothing to do with forks
[02:37] <lucas> dholbach: currently, MOTURuby has done *nothing*
[02:37] <dholbach> lucas: if we see the need for a change and we can justify it, we should go for it
[02:38] <lucas> I'd prefer to do this rather than nothing
[02:38] <dholbach> lucas: you have to be patient
[02:38] <dholbach> lucas: we had a release in between
[02:38] <dholbach> lucas: and no archive to upload to
[02:38] <slomo> \sh: can you tell me something about s9y? ;) is it really the best blogging system available? what are the advantages over wordpress for example?
[02:38] <\sh> slomo: it is...
[02:38] <lucas> Lathiat: where ? where is it documented ?
[02:39] <\sh> slomo: automatic trackback determination
[02:39] <Lathiat> no, just some stuff ajmitch & i have hacked up
[02:39] <\sh> slomo: works with mysql and postgres
[02:39] <lucas> Lathiat: then you should make them available in a package or sthing
[02:39] <\sh> slomo: easy to install/update
[02:39] <\sh> slomo: and plugin installer from the net
[02:39] <Lathiat> indeed
[02:39] <Lathiat> their in a bzr repo somewhere
[02:40] <dholbach> lucas: i really appreciate your efforts and i see your point, but we have to create visions and ideas. "don't deviate, because we have not idea, if we succeed" is a no-go and never was the "motu attitude" :)
[02:40] <slomo> \sh: can it import entries from the wordpress database for easy migration?
[02:40] <\sh> slomo: very good spam protection...captcha handling included
[02:40] <ajmitch> Lathiat: yeah, I'll put them up over UBZ or something :)
[02:40] <\sh> slomo: it can handle imports from several blogs..via RSS2 feeds
[02:40] <Lathiat> ajmitch: :)
[02:40] <dholbach> lucas: if you're incontent with how things are run, let's talk about it in the team (motu meeting maybe) and we'll try to get the ruby team there
[02:40] <ajmitch> Lathiat: they're on tiber but in an old format bzr repo, and I've been cleaning them up since then
[02:41] <slomo> \sh: ok, hm... i think i'll do a testinstall in the next days :) any advices you can give me? ;)
[02:41] <lucas> dholbach: we really need a mailing list for this. I don't have time to spend 3 hours in an IRC meeting discussing this
[02:41] <lucas> (like the other evening)
[02:42] <dholbach> lucas: i hope you don't say "i don't have the time to discuss this", but alright, let's take it to ubuntu-devel@
[02:42] <dholbach> lucas: because i appreaciate the ruby efforts (having no clue about ruby at all :))
[02:42] <\sh> slomo: well...create an mysql/postgres db, a user and a password, db should have all rights for the user...imagemagick install or libgd (i prefer imagemagick), $DOCROOT/uploads should have write permissions for the apache user, enable mod_rewrite...and after doing all this (unpacking the software before all that) just point your browser to http://your.install.tld/ that's it
[02:43] <\sh> slomo: .htaccess should be enabled for the docroot
[02:43] <\sh> slomo: that's all..really...no patching, no strange installation stuff..
[02:44] <slomo> \sh: does it support something like the wordpress permalinks? ;)
[02:44] <slomo> \sh: and would you recommend 0.8.5 or 0.9-beta?
[02:45] <\sh> slomo: permalinks are supported
[02:45] <\sh> slomo: latest SVN ,-)
[02:45] <ogra> lucas, mail to ubuntu-devel as i said the other day...
[02:46] <slomo> \sh: hmm... ok =) is it safe to use?
[02:47] <\sh> slomo: yes
[02:51] <\sh> what's the problem with ruby?
[02:51] <lucas> ajmitch: could you release them soon ? so I can review them/improve them/send patches
[02:51] <Treenaks> \sh: it derailed?
[02:51] <slomo> \sh: thanks... will try it later :)
[02:52] <slomo> ajmitch: did you already look at my packages and xsp? ;)
[02:54] <\sh> Treenaks: hmm...I thought ruby was the name of the maid in one tv series long time ago
[02:54] <aboe> I got a question about building packages...can I ask it here??
[02:54] <Treenaks> aboe: go ahead
[02:55] <\sh> meeting...bbl
[02:55] <aboe> I made a buildscript that will build deb packages from a cvs source
[02:55] <aboe> I used anothers script to make it..but don't know if it will work...
[02:55] <aboe> can you take a look at it...
[03:27] <slomo> \sh: is the sqlite backend for s9y usable?
[03:27] <tseng> hm, sqlite blog?
[03:27] <tseng> i am sold
[03:28] <tseng> i used it for a bit, it was nice
[03:28] <tseng> but i cant make it look very pretty
[03:28] <Mithrandir> oh, why?
[03:28] <tseng> i know html and css and all taht
[03:29] <tseng> im just not artsy enough
[03:29] <tseng> the themes on the site are awful
[03:29] <slomo> tseng: hehe same for me ;)
[03:31] <ogra> NOW !!
[03:31] <ogra> even better: yesterday
[03:31] <ogra> (requires a bit of time travelling though)
[03:32] <ogra> sivang, just pull some other trees and get familiar with it :)
[03:32] <tseng> i have my /usr/local/bin and /var/www/myapp in svn for two servers
[03:32] <tseng> which run basically the same code, but one is production
[03:32] <tseng> it might be cool to have local RCS and merging 2 ways
[03:32] <tseng> since i do make fixes on production sometimes
[03:39] <tseng> bzr is an odd command to type
[03:40] <slomo> tseng: tell me how your migration from svn to bzr was after you finished it ;)
[03:40] <tseng> i just checked everything in
[03:40] <tseng> i need to figure out how to make it ignore files
[03:40] <tseng> like propedit svn:ignore
[03:40] <lifeless> bzr ignore
[03:40] <tseng> oh that is much nicer
[03:40] <tseng>  bzr ignore *.rrd
[03:40] <tseng> :D
[03:41] <tseng> bzr: ERROR: unknown command 'update'
[03:42] <Mithrandir> ITYM, pull?
[03:42] <Mithrandir> or merge
[03:43] <tseng> makes sense, sortof
[03:46] <tseng> slomo: id say im done, besides setting up trac module
[03:46] <tseng> which is not a priority
[03:49] <slomo> tseng: already?! oh... =) i'll migrate next weekend ;)
[03:49] <tseng> i just did svn export and bzr init, bzr add *, bzr commit
[03:52] <Nafallo> tseng: you know about tailor? :-P
[03:52] <tseng> i just looked at it
[03:52] <tseng> i dont care about the previous changes
[03:52] <Nafallo> ah, oki :-)
[03:52] <slomo> oh... s9y works fine with sqlite backend ;)
[03:52] <tseng> that bzrweb site is down
[03:52] <tseng> oh nice
[03:52] <tseng> link?
[03:53] <Nafallo> DapperDrake: changed nick or something? ;-)
[03:53] <ogra> Nafallo, thats Seveas' logbotafaik
[03:54] <Nafallo> ehm... we need two logbots now?
[03:55] <ogra> no idea, ask Seveas
[03:56] <Nafallo> he got highlighted now so... ;-)
[03:58] <ogra> we could highlight Seveas even more to get more attention :)
[03:58] <Treenaks> ogra: /msg Seveas <ctrl+g>
[03:59] <sivang> Treenaks: hehe, that's cruel
[04:00] <Treenaks> sivang: it works on my coworkers
[04:01] <sivang> Treenaks: did it work? :)
[04:01] <Treenaks> sivang: yes
[04:16] <tseng> lifeless: is it safe to assume that any bzr branch is as good as the original?
[04:17] <tseng> lifeless: ie, i can throw away the temp dir i imported after bzr export
[04:18] <lifeless> tseng: econtext
[04:18] <lifeless> tseng: I am getting ready to travel
[04:18] <tseng> k
[04:18] <lifeless> may I suggest #bzr ?
[04:18] <tseng> hm sounds like a nice place to idel
[04:18] <tseng> thanks
[04:50] <DerekS> hey, i have a feature idea for dapper
[04:51] <DerekS> it would be cool if bookmarks for epiphany/firefox/konqueror/etc were all stored in one place, so when one is edited they all are
[05:47] <Seveas> grmbl, highlighters :p-
[05:47] <Seveas> ogra, Nafallo: still here?
[05:48] <Nafallo> yepp :-)
[05:48] <Yagisan> motu's, Is there a way for me to get gpg to remember my passphrase for a few minutes while I sign all my packages ?
[05:48] <Nafallo> Yagisan: seahorse-agent == <3 :-)
[05:48] <zyga> Yagisan: use seahorse
[05:48] <Seveas> Nafallo, nice, you're on my list :)
[05:48] <zyga> :-)
[05:49] <Seveas> gpg-agent > seahorse
[05:49] <Yagisan> cool - thanks guys
[05:49] <Seveas> Nafallo, i'm stting up ubuntu/member hostname cloaks on freenode. Want one?
[05:49] <Nafallo> Seveas: yay! yes thanks. been waiting for this :-)
[05:50] <Seveas> k, only 35 more members to ask :)
[05:50] <Nafallo> hehe, what will it be? motu/ubuntu/nafallo? ;-)
[06:11] <Yagisan> motu's is there a tutorial about how to integrate ccache into pbuilder ?
[06:14] <\sh> Yagisan: 1. gpg-agent
[06:14] <\sh> Yagisan: 2. not that i know off....but someone played with it..
[06:16] <Yagisan> \sh: thanks. I'll see if I can set ccache up - if I do I'll have it stuck on the wiki
[06:18] <\sh> Yagisan: don't use seahorse as gpg-agent replacement
[06:19] <Nafallo> I'm not sure it works atm though.
[06:19] <sivang> Yagisan: what's ccache ?
[06:19] <\sh> compiler-cache
[06:20] <\sh> caches already compiled object code which is not changed
[06:20] <Nafallo> ah, it works, sort of :-P
[06:20] <sivang> \sh: nice, that can probably speed up things
[06:20] <Nafallo> cache hit                             78
[06:20] <Nafallo> cache miss                            63
[06:20] <Nafallo> ;-)
[06:21] <\sh> Nafallo: u have it running in pbuilder?
[06:21] <Nafallo> \sh: yes. only in pbuilder actually :-)
[06:21] <\sh> sivang: but has sometimes many pitfalls
[06:22] <Nafallo> BINDMOUNTS="/var/cache/ccache"
[06:22] <Yagisan> \sh: I'm updating my unoffical repo - it is taking a long time manually signing the files
[06:22] <Nafallo> export CCACHE_DIR="/var/cache/ccache"
[06:22] <Nafallo> export CCACHE_UMASK="002"
[06:22] <Nafallo> export PATH="/usr/lib/ccache:$PATH"
[06:22] <Nafallo> EXTRAPACKAGES="ccache"
[06:22] <Nafallo> that's for pbuilderrc basically :-)
[06:23] <Nafallo> you probably have to mkdir /var/cache/ccache :-)
[06:23] <Yagisan> Nafallo: that's all in your pbuilders ? that looks simple
[06:23] <Yagisan> Nafallo: now to add distcc and it's all set
[06:24] <Nafallo> Yagisan: it is :-). but I don't need distcc, since I "only" got one amd64 ;-)
[06:24] <Yagisan> Nafallo: don't you build "i386" as well ?
[06:25] <Nafallo> no, that's why I need your help with setting up a pbuilder for it :-)
[06:25] <Yagisan> Nafallo: IIRC just adding -arch i386 to the pbuilder create was enough
[06:26] <Nafallo> something tells me we should add some PbuilderHowto/[CCache,CrossCompiling]
[06:26] <Nafallo> :-)
[06:26] <Yagisan> Nafallo: give me a sec, and I'll doublecheck
[06:27] <Yagisan> Nafallo: Ah, what I did was build separate amd64 and i386 chroots (u510_amd64_pb  u510_i386_pb)
[06:28] <Nafallo> with just --arch i386 for the second build?
[06:28] <Nafallo> s/build/create/
[06:28] <Yagisan> Nafallo: the i386 ones were built with --arch i386 passed to debootstrap
[06:29] <Nafallo> how to pass that to debootstrap? :-)
[06:29] <Yagisan> then I just build the pbuilder chroots normally, in my seperate development chroots
[06:29] <Yagisan> my setup amd64 -> minimal i386 chroot -> pbuilder
[06:31] <Yagisan> Nafallo: I just went linux32 dchroot u510_i386_pb
[06:31] <Yagisan> Nafallo: pbuilder create
[06:31] <Nafallo> hmm
[06:31] <Nafallo> ha!
[06:31] <Nafallo> --debootstrapopts --arch i386 should work :-)
[06:32] <Yagisan> Nafallo: should, but I like to keep my devel chroots separate from each other
[06:33] <Nafallo> /usr/sbin/debootstrap: line 227: cd: http://localhost:9999: No such file or directory
[06:33] <Nafallo> pbuilder: debootstrap failed
[06:33] <Nafallo> WTH?
[06:36] <Yagisan> Nafallo: sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd --arch i386 breezy ui386_chroot http://<IP_ADDRESS>:3142/au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[06:37] <Yagisan> Nafallo: That will build you a small i386 chroot
[06:37] <Nafallo> I tried to call it through pbuilder :-)
[06:38] <Nafallo> I probably just make it on my girlfriends i386 shuttle and scp it to my box :-)
[06:38] <Yagisan> Nafallo: I keep my amd64/i386 in different chroots. I set 1 up, and just cp /etc
[06:38] <Nafallo> or I could use the test-machine I'll soon have hardware for :-)
[06:38] <Nafallo> I don't use chroots, I use pbuilders :-)
[06:39] <Yagisan> Nafallo: my pbuilders live in different chroots
[06:39] <Nafallo> indeed. mine lives on my system :-).
[06:40] <Yagisan> Nafallo: Currently I have Ubuntu hoary i386/amd64 breezy i386/amd64 Debian sarge i386/amd64 Debian etch i386/amd64
[06:40] <Nafallo> :-)
[06:40] <Yagisan> and I'm waiting for dapper
[06:40] <Yagisan> they need their own chroots
[06:40] <Nafallo> why?
[06:41] <Yagisan> I can just tar them up, and stick them on dvd when I need to transport them elsewhere
[06:41] <Yagisan> made it very easy to restore my system :)
[06:41] <Nafallo> but you can't with your basetgz?
[06:43] <Yagisan> I could - but I don't want to over complicate my pbuilderrc - I build for a quite a few systems.
[06:45] <Yagisan> Nafallo: So, is it worth using distcc with a p2 300 and k6/2 300 ?
[06:46] <Nafallo> dunno :-P
[06:47] <Nafallo> do they have anything else to do? :-)
[06:49] <Yagisan> Nafallo: well the k6 is a firewall, the p2 is a thin client, not exactly demanding jobs
[06:49] <Yagisan> Nafallo: I wonder if they will actually slow the compile down
[06:52] <Nafallo> they might indeed do just that :-)
[06:52] <Nafallo> try? :-)
[06:53] <Yagisan> Nafallo: shortly, I need to actually get ccache and distcc setup first
[07:05] <highvoltage> hi masters of the universe
[07:06] <\sh> hey highvoltage
[07:06] <dholbach> hey HiddenWolf
[07:06] <dholbach> oops
[07:06] <dholbach> :)
[07:07] <dholbach> hi highvoltage :)
[07:07] <HiddenWolf> hey dholbach
[07:09] <dholbach> me?
[07:09] <Nafallo> kinky ;-)
[07:10] <\sh> spanking? please join #ubuntu-bdsm
[07:10] <highvoltage> tabbing?
[07:11] <Nafallo> \sh: you're not there ;-)
[07:11] <\sh> ubuntu is humanity ... #ubuntu-love , #ubuntu-bdsm, #ubuntu-roleplaying *eg*
[07:12] <Nafallo> :-)
[07:17] <\sh> haha...
[07:26] <eazel7> hi ppl
[07:39] <lucas> hi
[07:41] <lucas> dholbach: I remember you Cc MOTURuby on a bug report
[07:42] <lucas> but I can't find the list of bugs where moturuby is Cced
[07:44] <dholbach> erm... cced?
[07:44] <dholbach> not assigned?
[07:45] <Lathiat> lucas: there is no such list
[07:45] <Lathiat> lucas: only if assigned
[07:45] <Lathiat> in which case
[07:45] <Lathiat> its
[07:45] <Lathiat> http://launchpad.net/people/moturuby/+assignedbugs
[07:49] <lucas> those are bugs assigned in malone ? or bugzilla ?
[07:50] <Lathiat> malone
[07:50] <Lathiat> bugzilla is not used for universe bugs
[08:03] <lucas> Lathiat: do you know if there's a secret email address to contact all members of a launchpad team ?
[08:05] <Lathiat> lucas: dunno
[08:05] <dholbach> lucas: #launchpad or bug report on product launchpad, if you want to complain
[08:05] <Lathiat> lucas: what do you want to contact about?
[08:05] <lucas> I wanted to contact all members of my team, that's all :-)
[08:06] <Lathiat> could file a bug ;)
[08:14] <lucas> Lathiat: did that, but in the ubuntu bugzilla
[08:14] <lucas> anyway, I asked, and the answer is no
[08:14] <tseng> i already asked about this also
[08:14] <tseng> they said get a mailing list
[08:15] <Lathiat> heh
[08:15] <lucas> but when you ask for a mailing list, I think they say "use ubuntu-devel"
[08:15] <lucas> so this quite sucks
[08:16] <Lathiat> lucas: how does it suck
[08:16] <Lathiat> use it :)
[08:17] <lucas> but then, first, I have to check that all members of moturuby have subscribed to ubuntu-devel, and are reading it closely enough to see my post
[08:17] <Lathiat> CC is usefull
[08:17] <Lathiat> to: ubuntu-devel, cc: all moturuby people
[08:18] <Lathiat> odds are it'l get enough attention anyway but
[08:19] <zyga> moturuby
[08:19] <zyga> hey guys
[08:19] <zyga> what's up?
[08:20] <lucas> phone

[08:29] <lucas> zyga: I don't know if you read it, but I started adding some ideas on the MOTURuby page
[08:29] <zyga> lucas: I followed them carefully
[08:29] <lucas> any comments ?
[08:30] <zyga> not yet really I've just read that and added thinking about it to my TODO list
[08:30] <lucas> :-)
[08:30] <zyga> I'm trying to get l10n-ng into dapper and I desperatly need to trim features to meet the deadline
[08:31] <lucas> ng ?
[08:31] <lucas> is that a country code ?
[08:31] <zyga> lucas: next generation
[08:31] <lucas> ah, this ng :-)
[08:31] <zyga> lucas: it's a whole new concept, I want to scrap language packs
[08:32] <zyga> lucas: I need support from all sides :-)
[08:33] <zyga> lucas: but right now I need time to finish the specs and get feedback from the top guys
[08:37] <siretart> hi folks
[08:38] <dholbach> hey reinhard
[08:38] <zyga> lucas: is there anyone who reviews REVU ruby sutff?
[08:38] <lucas> I dunno
[08:38] <zyga> I've put 2 packages there
[08:38] <lucas> I'm not an ubuntu member
[08:38] <lucas> so I can't help with that
[08:38] <lucas> which packages ?
[08:39] <zyga> lucas: alexandria and its dependencies
[08:39] <lucas> did you use the debian package as a basis ?
[08:39] <zyga> lucas: really cool but doesn't work on our ruby, you neet to upgrade to real 1.8.3 (we've got a fake 1.8.2-9)
[08:39] <zyga> lucas: for the alexandria - yes
[08:39] <tseng> what is alexandria
[08:40] <zyga> I only fetched the new source tarball and upgraded dependencies
[08:40] <tseng> nm
[08:40] <zyga> tseng: it's really cool book catalogue
[08:40] <zyga> lucas: for the libzoom-ruby I did everything from scratch
[08:40] <zyga> lucas: BTW: I've found out that there is an alexandria community and that they have managed to hack the same things together
[08:41] <lucas> ok
[08:41] <zyga> but they never released any source code, only .debs
[08:41] <zyga> I tried to contact them but in vain
[08:41] <lucas> from http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/alexandria.html, I see paulvt did some NMUs on alexandria
[08:41] <lucas> you should really mail him
[08:41] <zyga> who is paulvt
[08:41] <lucas> Paul Van Tillburg
[08:41] <zyga> anyway I'm not sure about my package --- it's my first package really
[08:42] <lucas> a debian developer, maintainer of lots of ruby pkgs
[08:42] <zyga> lucas: is he anywhere on irc?
[08:42] <zyga> I prefer that to email everytime
[08:42] <lucas> usually Mozillion on #debian-ruby, but you'll have to be lucky
[08:42] <lucas> he isn't here currently
[08:42] <lucas> and I haven't seen him lately
[08:43] <zyga> lucas: right
[08:43] <zyga> I really need to get up to speed with packaging
[08:43] <zyga> alexandria is big and complex and I'm still a novice
[08:43] <zyga> anyway -- it works for me
[08:44] <zyga> lucas: could you try to build my package?
[08:44] <lucas> I don't have an ubuntu box accessible right now
[08:45] <zyga> ok
[08:49] <siretart> zyga: I put together a small script which does your 'important' list on the wiki
[08:49] <siretart> zyga: http://revu.tauware.de/~siretart/ruby
[08:50] <siretart> zyga: I intend to run in in a cronjob once a day to replace that list on the wiki. what do you think?
[08:50] <siretart> lucas: or did you put that list on the wiki? ;)
[08:54] <lucas> siretart: I'm just going to mail ubuntu-devel about such scripts
[08:55] <siretart> lucas: we have tiber to host such scripts, you know
[08:55] <lucas> yes, but I think some of them should be packaged
[08:55] <lucas> we don't need to run all of them of tiber
[08:56] <siretart> depends. This list seemed to me a good candidate
[08:56] <lucas> this particular one, yes
[08:57] <siretart> if you have additional ones, just leave me a note
[08:57] <lucas> are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel ?
[08:58] <siretart> I am, and I read that list
[08:58] <lucas> btw, you script lacks a shebang, and should be named .bash, not .sh
[08:58] <lucas> $() doesn't work in sh
[08:59] <siretart> oh. thanks for pointer
[08:59] <Mithrandir> lucas: $() is posix sh
[08:59] <lucas> Mithrandir: you sure ?
[08:59] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@xoog ~ > dash
[08:59] <Mithrandir> \u@\h:\w$ echo $(echo foo)
[08:59] <Mithrandir> foo
[08:59] <Mithrandir> lucas: yes.
[09:02] <lucas> Mithrandir: seems so
[09:02] <lucas> siretart: but you still need to add a shebang ;)
[09:02] <siretart> lucas: already done
[09:13] <zyga> siretart: good idea, I've already seen that script
[09:14] <zyga> siretart: I was rather amazed on how quick it showed up :-)
[09:16] <siretart> I just took the commands from the wiki
[09:20] <lucas> siretart: you had the good idea to replace grep -e with grep -w I think
[09:43] <slomo_> \sh_away: s9y convinced me :) i'll migrate when 0.9 is released... should be next week or something ;)
[10:04] <Amaranth> woo, the only error or warning lintian and linda give for my alacarte package is that dapper isn't a distro
[10:04] <ivoks> hi
[10:04] <Amaranth> checking deb, changes, and dsc
[10:05] <Amaranth> now i just need to wait for a real release (sometime this week)
[10:22] <jmg> guys is any work being done in dapper for a new init scheme?
[10:22] <jmg> something to make stuff boot faster?
[10:24] <dholbach> i suppose you check the wiki at UbuntuBelowZero/BOFs
[10:24] <dholbach> and that's more of a #ubuntu-devel question
[10:25] <dholbach> since the stuff won't land in universe :)
[10:28] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/replacement-init
[10:28] <ogra> jmg, ^^^
[10:29] <hub> he dholbach
[10:30] <dholbach> hey hub
[10:30] <dholbach> how are you?
[10:30] <hub> am ok
[10:30] <hub> plenty of spare time now
[10:30] <dholbach> oh yeah, i read it
[10:31] <Amaranth> i hope they decide to use launchd
[10:31] <dredg> morning
[10:31] <dholbach> hey dredg
[10:31] <dholbach> "morning" - haha :)
[10:31] <hub> dholbach: the positive side is that I will have plenty of time for UBZ :-)
[10:31] <dredg> well, 13.30
[10:31] <dredg> but closer to morning than you are :)
[10:31] <dholbach> ah, california?
[10:32] <dholbach> hub: i look forward to it :)
[10:32] <dredg> there's no way i can make ubz, sadly
[10:32] <dholbach> :(
[10:33] <ogra> dredg, come on, be creative ...
[10:33] <ogra> dredg, fold the room a bit and be at both places at the same time ... :)
[10:33] <dredg> ogra: i'm here on training. can't skip it
[10:33] <ogra> s/room/space
[10:33] <dredg> AND i find that mako will be in dublin this week
[10:35] <dredg> so not only can i not make ubz, the one time mako visits ireland i'm not in the damn country
[10:38] <ajmitch> morning
[10:43] <ajmitch> siretart: most of the stuff I wrote is already on tiber :)
[10:43] <siretart> hi ajmitch
[10:43] <siretart> ajmitch: did lucas already see that?
[10:44] <siretart> ajmitch: btw, I just installed the bzr package from breezy on tiber
[10:44] <ajmitch> I wrote a mail to the list
[10:44] <ajmitch> and I told him yesterday in here that I had tools
[10:45] <siretart> ajmitch: perhaps you could move them to ~ajmitch/public_html?
[10:45] <ajmitch> once I can login :)
[10:45] <ajmitch> siretart: I will
[10:45] <ajmitch> I'm resorting the branch on my local box
[10:46] <siretart> ah, I nearly thought about a problem with your revu account ;)
[10:46] <ajmitch> nope
[10:46] <ajmitch> ssh was taking
[10:46] <ajmitch> a long
[10:46] <ajmitch> long time
[10:47] <ajmitch> I promised in my email that tools would be available during UBZ :)
[10:47] <ajmitch> since I want to put up some pages on revu for things as well
[10:48] <siretart> w00t. dapper open!
[10:48] <ajmitch> yay
[10:48] <ajmitch> on katie though
[10:48] <ogra> its a first try of elmo
[10:49] <siretart> ah. okay
[10:49] <ogra> be patient ;)
[10:49] <siretart> hehe
[10:49] <ajmitch> we need to come up with a list of issues with malone for bradb
[10:49] <ajmitch> to talk to him at UBZ
[10:51] <siretart> hi sistpoty!
[10:51] <sistpoty> hi folks
[10:51] <ajmitch> hey sistpoty
[10:51] <siretart> sistpoty: I just wanted to catch you by email
[10:51] <sistpoty> huhu siretart... sorry didn't make it to uni today :(
[10:51] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[10:52] <siretart> sistpoty: it wasn't that important today for you, michael did a introduction to haskel ;)
[10:52] <sistpoty> hehe :)
[10:52] <siretart> sistpoty: the optimizing stuff is next week
[10:52] <sistpoty> cool... I'll be there, promised ;)
[10:52] <siretart> sistpoty: do you have some time right now? how about a shared screen session upgrading tiber to breezy?
[10:52] <sistpoty> siretart: sure
[10:53] <sistpoty> siretart: how does a shared screen session work?
[10:53] <siretart> sistpoty: because I'm not that sure about upgrading postgres, you mentioned you did it some time ago, yes?
[10:53] <ajmitch> ogra: seen that someone created a hwdb lp product?
[10:53] <siretart> sistpoty: are you familiar with screen?
[10:53] <siretart> lets take this to query ;)
[10:54] <sistpoty> siretart: ok
[10:54] <ogra> ajmitch, nope ... but there are hwdb bugs in malone... i thought that was already there...
[10:54] <ajmitch> ogra: looks like someone registered a product in order to file a bug on it
[10:54] <ogra> meh
[10:55] <ajmitch> which means that you won't get the bug reports..
[10:55] <ajmitch> more malone confusion :)
[10:55] <ogra> meh X2
[10:55] <ajmitch> ****ing win xp
[10:57] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/products/hwdb-gui
[10:57] <ajmitch> there we go
[10:58] <Amaranth> how do you register a product?
[10:59] <thesaltydog> ogra, ??
[10:59] <ogra> thesaltydog, looks cool... but dapper isnt open yet ;)
[10:59] <thesaltydog> :-)
[10:59] <Nafallo> wow
[10:59] <ogra> nice work, really
[10:59] <ajmitch> launchpad.net, products, register a product
[10:59] <thesaltydog> is it closer to your...mood?
[11:00] <ogra> yup, a lot
[11:00] <Nafallo> almost want's to switch ;-)
[11:00] <ogra> :)
[11:00] <ajmitch> hmm?
[11:00] <thesaltydog> it will be on Debian within a week.
[11:00] <Amaranth> products doesn't exist on launchpad.net
[11:00] <thesaltydog> I am waiting for translators to update po.
[11:00] <Amaranth> firefox can't find it and neither can i
[11:00] <ajmitch> Amaranth: meh
[11:00] <ogra> ajmitch, thesaltydog sent me a screenie of the new bum version
[11:00] <ajmitch> Amaranth: https://launchpad.net/products
[11:01] <dholbach> good night guys
[11:01] <ajmitch> night dholbach
[11:01] <thesaltydog> ogra, I have stolen the "lamp bulb" from REVU...
[11:01] <dholbach> night andrew
[11:02] <ogra> heh... and they have "stolen" it elsewhere :)
[11:02] <thesaltydog> ciao daniel, goodnight
[11:02] <dholbach> bye fabio
[11:02] <sistpoty> thesaltydog: the lamp bulb should be from gnome-icons iirc
[11:03] <sistpoty> hehe
[11:03] <thesaltydog> sistpoty, ok, so it keeps in family
[11:04] <ajmitch> I'd better get things done before Ubuntu Love Day!
[11:04] <ogra> ajmitch, or even take over the world with exactly the same tools :)
[11:04] <ajmitch> so that dholbach can show off things to new MOTUs
[11:05] <dholbach>  :)
[11:05] <dholbach> no way andrew, you'll present your own tools ;)
[11:05] <ajmitch> heh
[11:05] <ajmitch> but they'll be MOTU tools
[11:05] <ajmitch> not mine ;)
[11:05] <dholbach> haha :)
[11:05] <dholbach> ok, i'm still off to bed
[11:06] <ajmitch> night :)
[11:06] <dholbach> :)
[11:07] <thesaltydog> goodnight all
[11:07] <thesaltydog> 'night ogra
[11:07] <sistpoty> gn8 dholbach
[11:08] <dholbach> night stefan
[11:08] <ogra> night thesaltydog
[11:10] <Nafallo> anyone want to see my routing? ;-)
[11:10] <Mithrandir> you say that as if it's dirty.
[11:10] <ajmitch> hm
[11:11] <Nafallo> well, jenny painted it when I teached her about it :-)
[11:11] <ajmitch> what a shame a local hosting company says they'll only support debian at the moment on their managed servers
[11:11] <Nafallo> ask them why they don't support debian-ng? ;-)
[11:11] <ajmitch> I asked if they were to support Ubuntu, but no..
[11:11] <ogra> ajmitch, and ?
[11:12] <ogra> ajmitch, just upgrade to ubuntu then ;)
[11:14] <ajmitch> ogra: this is support for a managed server, eg security updates, etc
[11:14] <ajmitch> since I won't be working here for years, I'd like a decent server setup
[11:21] <Nafallo> http://www.magicalforest.se/~nafallo/magicalforest.jpg
[11:21] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: ^ dirty? ;-)
[11:22] <siretart> tiber status update: upgrade to breezy ongoing
[11:22] <ajmitch> siretart: yay
[11:23] <siretart> ajmitch: we will need to reboot tiber after upgrade
[11:23] <ajmitch> fine by me
[11:23] <ajmitch> I'll just get logged out
[11:24] <keyes> hello
[11:40] <minghua> dapper is open now?
[11:40] <Nafallo> only to the DC :-)
[11:41] <ajmitch> be patient!
[11:41] <siretart> hehe
[11:41] <minghua> Nafallo: what does DC mean?
[11:41] <siretart> minghua: elmo is working on it atm
[11:42] <siretart> I expect it open in a few hours, when nothing goes wrong
[11:42] <minghua> siretart: I just saw his email to ubuntu-devel list
[11:42] <minghua> that's why I'm asking
[11:42] <minghua> I'm not impatient, just trying to confirm :-)
[11:42] <Nafallo> datacenter :-)
[11:42] <siretart> ;)
[11:43] <minghua> Nafallo: I see, thanks
[11:45] <bipolar> is anyone working on new mono packages?
[11:45] <ajmitch> yes
[11:45] <bipolar> woot
[11:46] <ajmitch> considering that the ones we have really aren't that old :P
[11:46] <ajmitch> so 'new' ones won't be much of a change
[11:46] <bipolar> hmmm....
[11:46] <bipolar> yeah. they're only one point off
[11:47] <ajmitch> we had to freeze breezy at some point :)
[11:47] <bipolar> heh
[11:47] <minghua> ajmitch: does that imply breezy universe is not frozen yet?
[11:48] <bipolar> monodevelop went up a point too. thats a bigger change I think.
[11:48] <Nafallo> no, but soon we will have dapper universe to work on :-)
[11:48] <ajmitch> minghua: no, it's quite frozen
[11:48] <ajmitch> only critical things slip into breezy-updates
[11:49] <Nafallo> breezy-updates/universe != breezy/universe ;-)
[11:49] <minghua> okay, I suppose a plan for dapper and breezy-backports is more practical
[11:49] <ogra> yup
[11:49] <minghua> I need to get SCIM packages in shape
[11:50] <ogra> but hard for mono... you have to build all packages and they must be in the right order... its quite some work
[11:50] <minghua> maybe write a IncludeInMain proposal as well
[11:50] <ajmitch> ogra: but lots of fun
[11:50] <ogra> heh
[11:50] <ajmitch> ogra: it's called throwing everything at the buildd until it's right :)
[11:50] <minghua> oh one man can dream
[11:50] <siretart> ajmitch: we want to reboot tiber now. are you still doing something there?
[11:50] <ajmitch> siretart: nope
[11:50] <ogra> mono itself is in main
[11:51] <siretart> okay, reboot in 2 minutes
[11:51] <ajmitch> and some apps will probably migrate to main for dapper
[11:51] <siretart> lets hope for the best!
[11:51] <ajmitch> ok
[11:51] <ajmitch> so elmo sent out mail saying dapper is open
[11:51] <ogra> yeah 1
[11:52] <ajmitch> I see someone replied to my email saying that I had stuff done, saying we should just start somethng new
[11:52] <ogra> *SIGH*
[11:56] <Nafallo> hehe
[11:56] <Nafallo> ajmitch: coward ;-). see it as a test for your server :-)
[11:57] <Kyral> Dapper open? The Devel list makes it sound that way
[11:58] <Nafallo> dapper-changes aswell ;-)
[11:58] <Kyral> Yah I gotta go subscribe to that list
[11:58] <Kyral> Lets ROCK AND ROLL!
[11:58] <Seveas> Kyral, or to the RSS feed ;0
[11:58] <Kyral> Hoi Seveas :P
[11:59] <Seveas> hi
[11:59] <Kyral> I already get so much mail to my box, I won't mind another couple hundred a day ;P
[11:59] <Nafallo> hehe
[11:59] <Seveas> then subscribe to ubuntu-bugs@
[11:59] <Kyral> Thats what filters are for
[12:00] <Nafallo> Seveas: how to activite the new cloak? :-)
[12:00] <Kyral> I send stuff from Kernel-Devel, Universe-Bugs, and Ubuntu-Devel to thier own folders
[12:00] <Nafallo> I send stuff from every mailing-list to it's own folder :-)
[12:00] <Seveas> Nafallo, it will be activated in a few days
[12:00] <Kyral> Yah thats what I do
[12:00] <Kyral> Its been boring without breakage
[12:00] <Kyral> Lets the games begin!
[12:00] <Nafallo> ah, that's why I can't see it :-P
[12:01] <Nafallo> thanx :-)
[12:01] <Seveas> still 31 people to ask :)
[12:01] <Kyral> ubuntu-bugs
[12:01] <Kyral> How is that different from Universe-Bugs?
[12:01] <Kyral> oh wait
[12:01] <Seveas> universe-bugs is malone, ubuntu-bugs is bugzilla...
[12:02] <Kyral> I don't really use the Bugzilla...


[00:00] <BiosElement> doctormo_, I sent the summery of course format options off to the mailing list.
[00:48] <pleia2> BiosElement: you rock! :)
[00:49] <BiosElement> pleia2, Thanks.Be sure to let me know if I missed anything.
[00:49] <pleia2> sure
[02:24] <doctormo_> BiosElement: You deserve whole plate of cookies, well done :-)
[02:31] <BiosElement> Ahh, thanks doctormo_
[02:45] <BiosElement> doctormo, DocBook had some support for exporting to .pot files. None of the others had any kind of translation besides manually.
[02:51] <doctormo> BiosElement: Pot exports are a fundermental requirement if we want to do this right, although as pleia2 said, we could get too bogged down in the hows and not get stuck into writing some of this stuf.
[02:53] <BiosElement> Exactly. Like I said, DocBook can be transformed into basically any format there is
[02:56] <doctormo> BiosElement: Yes but can asciidoc convert into docbook?
[02:57] <BiosElement> doctormo, Of course, that's the whole point of asciidoc.
[02:58] <doctormo> Then asciidoc can make pot files, it's as simple as that :-D
[02:59] <BiosElement> haha yes
[03:03] <doctormo> I'm doing a lightning talk tomorrow at the Boston (FSF HQ Party) for Software Freedom Day :-)
[03:03] <doctormo> It
[03:04] <doctormo> It's going to be on FOSS Economics :-) I have a small 5 slide thing if you want to see?
[03:05] <BiosElement> Ahh, sure. I'm currently neck deep in trying to get thunderbird b3 to stop being stupid and taking up 30% of my screen with 4 lines of header info >.<
[03:10] <doctormo> sent,,,
[03:10] <doctormo> I might go offline for a second
[03:10] <BiosElement> Aight
[03:17] <BiosElement> doctormo, Looks good to me
[03:21] <pleia2> oh, can you put images in asciidoc?
[03:23] <BiosElement> Yes
[03:24] <pleia2> ok good :)
[03:26] <BiosElement> Oh and just a thought, I think all user contributions to the moodle site should be under the same license as well. As in, any comments etc only excluding pm's. This way teachers could also use other info from the site.
[04:01] <doctormo_> BiosElement: It's worth having that documented on the website, you have to specify that as terms and conditions
[04:02] <BiosElement> doctormo_, Yes, Exactly. I just was thinking that it would just save hassle later on.
[04:18] <doctormo_> aye
[04:46] <BiosElement> Oh,  I should also mention that AsciiDoc supports custom formatting also >.>
[09:50] <BiosElement> Heh, there's a talk about reStructuredText which is what powers Sphinx at OhioLinuxFest >.>
[22:01] <BiosElement> I'm working on conventions for AsciiDoc currently, one of which will be a required double space between topic headings. This way they'll stand out from paragraph breaks


[05:40] <Kilos> cremora minora
[06:26] <Kilos> morning not_found
[06:28] <not_found> Good morning uncle Kilos, how are you today?
[06:28] <Kilos> good ty not_found and you?
[06:28] <Kilos> hows the studying going?
[06:29] <not_found> No complaints thanks :) - I was going to ask the same question about the studying :D ... and it hasn't gone yet on my side :/
[06:29] <Kilos> lol
[06:29] <Kilos> its all driving me crazy
[06:33] <not_found> why, programs not wanting to work?
[06:34] <Kilos> no man trying to remember all the stuff and what they do
[06:34] <Kilos> so many words that are meaningless still
[06:34] <Kilos> just in bash for beginners
[06:36] <not_found> that is the thing, once you learn it you have to apply it over and over day after day or it will just fade away again (and that is where you need that precious thing called time)
[06:38] <Kilos> ai!
[06:38] <Kilos> hardware is much easier
[06:39] <Kilos> but also frustrating
[06:39] <not_found> hardware is more static :p
[06:40] <Kilos> latest thing this week is when booting this pc bios gets to where it sees drives then it hangs there and 5 mins later auto reboots and runs through everything lekker fast and boots
[06:40] <Kilos> like needs a warm up period
[06:40] <Kilos> also hardware you can sort for good with a 4lb hammer
[06:41] <Kilos> im back on the 500g drive that kept crashing and its running fine with evolution purged
[06:43] <not_found> Well I hope the hardware holds up on your side uncle Kilos, nothing more frustrating than faulty hardware (especially when it is intermittent)
[06:45] <Kilos> ty. but strange that on 12.04 unity and kde on 2 different drives pc kept crashing
[06:45] <Kilos> must be a security hole in evo somewhere
[06:46] <not_found> or just a bug
[06:47] <Kilos> yeah but a bug that can crash the mbr so bios doesnt see the drive even
[06:48] <not_found> can even be a bug in the BIOS
[06:49] <Kilos> i found a nice tool for that in xp on gigabytes mobo's
[06:49] <Kilos> called @bios
[06:50] <not_found> who knows what combination of events must come together to cause issues...
[06:50] <Kilos> online flash and upgrade
[06:50] <not_found> most newer hardware has something similar...
[06:50] <Kilos> but i dunno if this board has a jumper to block it
[06:51] <not_found> I am not a fan of flashing hardware how ever... easiest way to brick something :)
[06:51] <Kilos> no man the flashrom guys help you sort it
[06:51] <Kilos> but you need to understand what they say
[06:53] <Kilos> looks like all they do is flashrom scripts for all pcs
[06:55] <Kilos> and if you can get a floppy working you can boot with bios upgrade floppies
[07:04] <Kilos> maybe one could do it with a usb stick as well
[07:17] <not_found> I would imagine it is dependent to what extent the BIOS is crippled... I have heard many stories of motherboards having to be replaced or at the very least the BIOS chips on them
[07:18] <Kilos> yes thats the norm but them okes fix bricked mobos
[07:18] <Kilos> i get their mails on whats wrong and what to fix
[07:18] <Kilos> but dont understand them anyway
[07:19] <Kilos> they even have a channel on irc
[07:19] <Kilos> and flashrom is in ubuntu repos
[07:20] <Kilos> only im scared to even try it because you gotta be a pro to understand them
[07:20] <Kilos> but im sure there are tons of bricked mobos that can be fixed
[07:21] <not_found> possible
[07:23] <Kilos> linux geeks are clever
[07:30] <not_found> I am pretty sure it is geeks in general ;)
[07:31] <Kilos> i dunno i think lotsa win geeks throw good hardware away
[07:38] <not_found> oh and the average Ubuntu user doesn't?
[07:38] <Kilos> i was surprized when the 8ta networking guy came here to check what was wrong with my connection and the tower, he was quite familier with unity and even my opera browser
[07:38] <not_found> cool
[07:39] <Kilos> when i started with 8.10 every one said whats linux and whats ubuntu
[07:39]  * not_found is going to sign off for a bit... give some other peeps time to procrastinate on the PC... hope everyone has a nice Sunday...
[07:40] <Kilos> and thats only 4 years ago methinks
[07:40] <Kilos> haha
[07:47] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 do you have the info for RMS in pretoria please
[07:47] <Vince-0> Kilos!
[07:47] <Kilos> one of the youngsters wants to attend
[07:48] <Vince-0> let me see what's on the list
[07:52] <Kilos> ty
[07:54] <Vince-0> the wits one is mentioned here: http://softwarefreedom.co.za/
[07:54] <Vince-0> the Pretoria one is at SITA
[07:54] <Vince-0> trying to find the details
[07:58] <Vince-0> Jo'burg registration: http://sfd-jhb-2013-es2.eventbrite.com/
[07:58] <Kilos> Maaz, tell theblazehen on freenode http://softwarefreedom.co.za/  http://sfd-jhb-2013-es2.eventbrite.com/
[07:58] <Vince-0> cant seem to find a page for the Pretoria event
[07:58] <Maaz> Kilos: Got it, I'll tell theblazehen on freenode
[07:59] <Kilos> ty Vince-0
[07:59] <Vince-0> kk
[07:59] <Kilos> he can look further
[09:26] <theblazehen> Kilos, I found the site that\nks :)
[09:28] <Kilos> cool
[09:46] <theblazehen> hey Vince-0
[09:46] <Vince-0_> ow, dropped
[09:48] <theblazehen> ?
[10:11] <Vince-0> connection drops sometimes
[10:18] <charl> good afternoon all
[10:18] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[10:18]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[10:18] <charl> wb Vince-0
[10:18] <Vince-0> haai
[10:21] <charl> i see you people are planning something for software freedom day
[10:21] <charl> i am thinking of going to amsterdam: http://www.softwarefreedomday.eu/2013/index.html
[10:22] <theblazehen> awesome charl
[10:22] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[10:22] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[10:22] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[10:25] <theblazehen> Maaz: Coffee please
[10:25] <Maaz> theblazehen: There isn't a pot on
[10:25] <theblazehen> Maaz: Put a pot on
[10:25] <Maaz> theblazehen: Huh?
[10:26] <theblazehen> Maaz: coffee please
[10:26] <Maaz> theblazehen: There isn't a pot on
[10:26] <theblazehen> maaz: make me coffee please
[10:26] <Maaz> theblazehen: Excuse me?
[10:26] <theblazehen> maaz: make me coffee
[10:26] <Maaz> theblazehen: Huh?
[10:26] <theblazehen> Fuck this shit!
[10:26] <theblazehen> Maaz coffee on
[10:26]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[10:27] <charl> lol
[10:28] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[10:28] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[10:29] <Kilos> yo charl
[10:29] <theblazehen> maaz coffee?
[10:29] <Maaz> theblazehen: coffee is liquid code
[10:29] <charl> hi Kilos :)
[10:29] <theblazehen> lol Maaz
[10:29] <theblazehen> hi Kilos
[10:29] <Kilos> theblazehen, once he has done coffee on then ask coffee please
[10:30] <theblazehen> thanks Kilos
[10:30] <theblazehen> maaz coffee please
[10:30] <Maaz> theblazehen: Now now, we don't want anyone getting caffeine overdoses
[10:30] <theblazehen> maaz coffee now!
[10:30] <Maaz> theblazehen: Sorry...
[10:30] <Kilos> haha
[10:30] <theblazehen> Maaz I never had any coffee yet
[10:30] <Maaz> theblazehen: Sorry...
[10:30] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for theblazehen and Kilos!
[10:30] <theblazehen> Maaz! I want my coffee
[10:30] <Maaz> theblazehen: Sorry...
[10:31] <Kilos> also once you did coffee on he will make you some
[10:31] <theblazehen> maaz coffee please
[10:31] <Maaz> theblazehen: There isn't a pot on
[10:31] <Kilos> no good then asking for coffee please because you are getting some already
[10:31] <theblazehen> Yeah
[10:31] <theblazehen> I need another cup?
[10:32] <Kilos> then you gott ask for large
[10:32] <Kilos> Maaz, large
[10:32] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[10:32] <theblazehen> maaz can I have a large coffee please?
[10:32] <Kilos> ai!
[10:32] <theblazehen> Maaz large
[10:32] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you theblazehen
[10:32] <theblazehen> thanks Maaz
[10:32] <theblazehen> Maaz, how much coffee is left?
[10:32] <Maaz> theblazehen: If you say so
[10:33] <Kilos> dont ibid bots work on arch?
[10:33] <theblazehen> ibid?
[10:33] <Kilos> he only makes 4 cups
[10:33] <theblazehen> ok
[10:33] <Kilos> ya ibid is a bot written in python
[10:33] <theblazehen> Probably
[10:33] <Kilos> Maaz, ibid
[10:33] <Maaz> Kilos: Ibid is a multi-protocol general purpose chat bot written in Python. See: https://launchpad.net/ibid
[10:39] <Kilos> uh oh his coffee machine is broken again
[10:40] <theblazehen> lol
[10:40] <Kilos> supposed to deliver after 4 mins
[10:40] <theblazehen> ah ok
[10:40] <Kilos> hi Mezenir
[10:42] <Kilos> QA, coffee on
[10:42]  * QA washes some mugs
[10:43] <theblazehen> Whose QA?
[10:43] <Kilos> now ask coffee please from QA theblazehen
[10:43] <Kilos> my bot
[10:43] <theblazehen> QA coffee please
[10:43] <theblazehen> gtg
[10:43] <QA> theblazehen: Sure
[10:45] <Kilos> QA, large
[10:45] <QA> I'll make a jug full Kilos and you can topup at will, how's that?
[10:46] <QA> Coffee's ready for Kilos and theblazehen!
[10:50] <Kilos> QA, ty
[10:50] <QA> You're welcome Kilos
[10:54] <Kilos> yo Trixar_za
[10:54] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[10:55] <Kilos> so have you gone with arch?
[10:56] <Trixar_za> Nah
[10:56] <Trixar_za> I'm trying to build my own using Buildroot
[10:56] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:58] <Trixar_za> http://forum.slitaz.org/topic/buildroot-slitaz
[11:07] <Kilos> best of luck Trixar_za you have some work ahead of you hey
[11:08] <Trixar_za> Yeah, a little. mdev doesn't behave exactly like udev :/
[11:08] <Kilos> what did you mean about the comment on tiny
[11:09] <Kilos> anally sparse
[11:14] <Kilos> i must look at tiny again. it might connect through my router
[11:14] <Trixar_za> Exactly what I said. They stubbornly take minimalism to the extreme
[11:14] <Kilos> oh
[11:41] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[14:02] <Mezenir> hey kilos
[14:02] <Mezenir> how are you ?
[14:06] <superfly> hi Mezenir
[14:08] <Mezenir> hey superfly
[14:08] <Mezenir> hows it going ?
[14:09] <superfly> sleepy thanks
[14:09] <superfly> and you?
[14:09] <Mezenir> hehe
[14:09] <Mezenir> now that you mention it ... ;)
[14:10] <Mezenir> im currently working on making a debian package for a java app
[14:10] <Mezenir> i used the jdeb ant task / maven plugin
[14:11] <Mezenir> it does the archiving for you
[14:11] <Mezenir> and you just need to provide the control files
[14:11] <Mezenir> so ive been doing a lot of reading on that lately
[14:11] <Mezenir> but it seems you dont really need more than a postinst script as far as maintainer scripts are concerned
[14:11] <Mezenir> in most cases
[14:13] <Kilos> hi superfly
[14:13] <Kilos> good ty Mezenir
[14:13] <Kilos> and you?
[14:14] <Kilos> sorry i was fetching the sheep
[14:20] <superfly> hi Kilos
[14:23] <Mezenir> good thanks
[14:37] <theblazehen> Netbook has graphics drivers! Finally :D!
[15:30] <Kilos> what took so long?
[15:30] <Kilos> arch
[15:31] <theblazehen> Nah, went shopping
[15:31] <Kilos> lol
[15:31] <theblazehen> Arch is dl'ing
[15:31] <theblazehen> this is really shit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States
[15:33] <Kilos> what they making clones or genetically modifying
[15:33] <theblazehen> no?
[15:35] <theblazehen> bbs
[16:54] <Kilos> inetpro, jy laat nê
[17:12] <Kilos> hehe
[18:03] <inetpro> Kilos: uh?
[18:04] <inetpro> good evening
[18:04] <Kilos> gewoonlik is jy bietjie vroer op n sondag aand
[18:04] <Kilos> lo pro
[18:04] <inetpro> ai!
[18:04] <Kilos> jy bang ek laat jou werk
[18:04] <inetpro> :-)
[18:04] <Kilos> hehe als werk goed hier man
[18:05]  * inetpro looking for a Samsung Google Nexus S battery
[18:05] <Kilos> enter that competition and win a whole fone
[18:05] <inetpro> my old phone's battery not so stable any more
[18:06] <inetpro> now I found something at Dino Direct but have never ordered from them
[18:06] <Kilos> lol like my nokia, charger must stay connected or 5 mins dead
[18:07] <Kilos> there must be somewhere locally that you can walk in and buy one immediately
[18:08] <inetpro> Kilos: ek sukkel
[18:08] <Kilos> ai!
[18:08] <Kilos> wat see google
[18:08] <inetpro> everywhere I go they say nope
[18:08] <Kilos> se
[18:08] <Kilos> ai!
[18:08] <inetpro> they don't sell that battery anywhere here
[18:08] <Kilos> lexus is that yankee fone
[18:09] <inetpro> Nexus
[18:09] <inetpro> not lexus
[18:09] <Kilos> or an i thinking of the nexus car
[18:09] <Kilos> ai!
[18:09] <Kilos> ya that
[18:09] <inetpro> :-)
[18:10] <Kilos> QA, google where to buy a battery for a nexus s in pretoria
[18:10] <QA> Kilos: "Battery Booster Lite - Android Apps on Google Play" https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=imoblife.batterybooster&hl=en :: "What APN settings are you using with AT&T? - Android Forums at ..." http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-samsung-galaxy-nexus/155386-what-apn-settings-you-using-t.html :: "Anyone activated Nexus 4 on ATT - Android Forums at AndroidCentral.com" http://forums.androidcentral.com/google-nexus-4/226814-anyon…
[18:10] <Kilos> ai!
[18:11] <Kilos> dont google understand buy a battery
[18:12] <Kilos> ons bot is siek weer met koffie maak
[18:53] <Kilos> Maaz, announce Monthly meeting here tomorrow night all of you. Please try attend @ 19.30
[18:53] <Maaz> Announcement from Kilos! Monthly meeting here tomorrow night all of you. Please try attend @ 19.30
[18:53] <theblazehen> Wasn't that a bit redundant?
[18:54] <Kilos> explain
[18:54] <Kilos> ?
[18:54] <theblazehen> You told him to announce, and then he announced the same thing
[18:54] <theblazehen> unless he /msg's offline members?
[18:56] <Kilos> lol yeah i dunno
[18:56] <theblazehen> ok
[18:57] <Kilos> maybe its just for show
[18:58] <theblazehen> yeah lol
[18:59] <Kilos> but he gives good messages to peeps when they come online
[18:59] <theblazehen> ah ok
[19:02] <Kilos> i go sleep now. night you all see ya tomorrow
[19:02] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:02] <kbmonkey> hey hey
[19:02] <Kilos> ohi kbmonkey
[19:02] <theblazehen> night Kilos hey kbmonkey
[19:03] <Kilos> you chairing hey
[19:03] <kbmonkey> sure, and tabling and couching and bedding ;)
[19:03] <theblazehen> lol kbmonkey
[19:03] <Kilos> and you can add in the agenda about the classes on #linux-studies
[19:04] <theblazehen> ooh awesome Kilos
[19:04] <kbmonkey> good idea Kilos
[19:05] <kbmonkey> say, is it for bash scripting, or python programming?
[19:05] <kbmonkey> or both?
[19:05] <Kilos> but looks like python gonna have to take back seat to bash hash dash and crash
[19:05] <Kilos> well we can discuss it at the meet
[19:06] <kbmonkey> i made a game in 12 hours today
[19:06] <Kilos> what kinda game
[19:06] <theblazehen> kbmonkey, Nice! link if it's online?
[19:06] <kbmonkey> for ludum dare, a online game coding compo this weekend.
[19:06] <kbmonkey> sure hang on theblazehen ..
[19:07] <kbmonkey> http://www.ludumdare.com/compo/ludum-dare-27/?action=preview&uid=26303
[19:07] <inetpro> hmm...
[19:07] <theblazehen> thanks kbmonkey
[19:07] <inetpro> who said you should first learn bash scriptng?
[19:08] <theblazehen> ooh nice game
[19:08] <theblazehen> bit like first stage in spore
[19:08] <kbmonkey> Kilos, it is like you are a microbe organism, and you move around eating other microbes to stay alive, and avoid enemy microbes that eat yourlife
[19:08] <Kilos> the pro kbmonkey
[19:08] <kbmonkey> spore?
[19:08] <theblazehen> that game...
[19:09]  * inetpro just wants beginners to learn shell basics based on good documentation of something like the bash guides
[19:09] <kbmonkey> oh.. do not know of that :)
[19:09] <theblazehen> +1 inetpro
[19:09] <kbmonkey> ah thanks for clearing that up inetpro - I'm making a meeting agenda item to metnion that.
[19:09] <kbmonkey> mention that*
[19:10] <inetpro> kbmonkey: I shall try to be there
[19:10] <Kilos> inetpro, there are too many new things to remember there
[19:10] <inetpro> but I may have a bit of a challenge
[19:10] <inetpro> have to be at school meeting with my son
[19:10] <Kilos> operator operand and lotsa funny stuffs
[19:11] <inetpro> to choose subjects for grade 10
[19:11] <Kilos> you gotta do what you gotta do inetpro
[19:11] <kbmonkey> no worries, it is just to tell everyone who does not yet know. is there a scheduled time I can add when an informal gathering can happen on #linux-studies?
[19:11] <Kilos> we will accept you coming 10 mins late
[19:11] <inetpro> I might be back on time though
[19:12] <inetpro> all depends on how long those teachers keep talking
[19:12] <Kilos> kbmonkey, we gotta decide on a day as well
[19:12] <Kilos> and maybe time for family peeps to get kids fed and bedded
[19:13] <kbmonkey> inetpro, if you like I could say for everyone interested to hang around in the chan after our meet, in case you get to pop in?
[19:13] <Kilos> he will make it man
[19:13] <Kilos> he will just rush the teachers
[19:14] <kbmonkey> I will type really s l o w l y so the meeting will take longer to end ;)
[19:14] <inetpro> kbmonkey: no problemos
[19:14] <Kilos> lol
[19:15]  * inetpro was very upset this afternoon again
[19:15] <Kilos> why now?
[19:15] <kbmonkey> why?
[19:16] <inetpro> some oke acting like everyone owed him a favour at church
[19:16] <Kilos> inetpro, also ask crash kid to fix maaz so we have coffee tomorrow night please
[19:16] <inetpro> ended up stealing my wife cellphone
[19:16] <Kilos> wow\
[19:16] <inetpro> wife's
[19:17] <inetpro> out of her handbag
[19:17] <Kilos> do you know him?
[19:17] <kbmonkey> that is not very nice. may the fleas of a thousand camels infest his armpits.
[19:17] <inetpro> was a matter of 5 minutes that she left her handbag in the hall to go fetch something outside
[19:17] <Kilos> ai!
[19:18] <Kilos> do you know him i asked?????
[19:18] <inetpro> he came in from the street
[19:18] <Kilos> ai!
[19:19] <inetpro> he actually acted like he had a fit and had some ladies help him before he suddenly vanished
[19:19] <Kilos> remember his face he will be back for more sometime
[19:20] <kbmonkey> toys in the attic
[19:20] <Kilos> then break his legs
[19:20] <Kilos> not violently
[19:20] <inetpro> :-)
[19:20] <Kilos> with a smile on your face
[19:20] <inetpro> ai!
[19:21] <inetpro> oh well, at least it's one less blackberry in the family
[19:21] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:21] <kbmonkey> he probably picked up some bad habit working for the govt
[19:21] <Kilos> polution
[19:23] <inetpro> amazing how these guys know to exploit the soft targets like that
[19:23] <Kilos> yeah
[19:23]  * inetpro wonders how many cellphones are stolen on the church grounds
[19:24] <inetpro> on church grounds*
[19:24] <Kilos> evil has no boundaries
[19:24] <kbmonkey> true that Kilos. that's why zombies resurrect there too
[19:25] <Kilos> hehe
[19:25] <inetpro> Kilos: anyway you wanted to sleep
[19:25]  * kbmonkey checks zombie survival kit
[19:25] <Kilos> oh ya. sorry about that bad news
[19:25] <kbmonkey> yep, see you all tomorrow night then o/
[19:25] <Kilos> night all
[19:29] <inetpro> maybe he just needed that phone very urgently
[19:29] <inetpro> at least it is replaceable


[00:00] <bioterror> okay
[00:00] <eaburns> Thanks for your help
[00:00] <eaburns> I am sure that I will eventually find something to get it working :)
[00:00] <bioterror> we are almost there
[00:01] <bioterror> I assume you have some special keys mapped?
[00:01] <eaburns> Yeah
[00:05] <Neosano> eaburns, the easiest way to set something to startup is "sudo leafpad /etc/xdg/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart"
[00:05] <bioterror> that's just completely stupid
[00:05] <Neosano> why? it works.
[00:06] <bioterror> first sudo and graphical editor
[00:06] <Neosano> ? and why not? O_o
[00:06] <bioterror> second system wide configuration for a user specific settings
[00:06] <Neosano> wait.. what's wrong with the first point?
[00:06] <Unit193> !gksudo
[00:07] <Unit193> NEVER use sudo leafpad!
[00:08] <Neosano> Why is it an issue?
[00:08] <Neosano> Well, to be perfectly honest, most of the time it isn't.
[00:08] <Neosano> hehe
[00:08] <Unit193> Read the link
[00:09] <Neosano> that's from the link
[00:09] <Unit193> Yeah, and the rest?
[00:11] <Neosano> oh, you mean this thing? "Bottom line: most of the time when you use sudo for graphical applications, it's fine. Some of the time, though, it is not fine, and is, in fact, extremely bad. "
[00:12] <Neosano> I think leafpad is too simple to do something bad :)
[00:12] <eaburns> OK, I got it working
[00:12] <eaburns> The trick seems to be that the desktop file doesn't expand ~
[00:12] <eaburns> I changed it to use an absolute path to /home/eaburns/.Xmodmap and it worked just fine
[00:13] <eaburns> Thanks for all of the help
[00:13] <Neosano> and why can't we have a gui for autostart in Lubuntu?
[00:13] <bioterror> Neosano, becouse you have not coded that yet
[00:13] <Unit193> Simple, you can use it, just don't recommend it, and don't come here for help if you break something with it :)
[00:14] <bioterror> niice
[00:14] <bioterror> I had first PAE problem
[00:14] <bioterror> maybe I should post to forums
[00:16] <Unit193> Wow, must be one old compy
[00:16] <bioterror> Stinkpad T42 :D
[00:17] <bioterror> it has a pentium m
[00:17] <Unit193> Thankfully the P-M I have works
[00:21] <bioterror> so
[00:21] <bioterror> what next :D
[00:22] <Unit193> Debian :P
[00:22] <Unit193> Or in your case, arch
[00:22] <Unit193> But, offtopic time
[00:37] <nullaresnata> Good day all.
[00:37] <nullaresnata> I don't have sound on my pidgin. Anyone know why?
[00:38] <nullaresnata> Well, better this way: is there a way to get sound on pidgin with Lubuntu?
[00:40] <phillw> nullaresnata: tools --> Preferences --> Sound ?
[00:41] <phillw> I have mine all disabled.
[00:41] <nullaresnata> Done that already - still mute.
[00:42] <phillw> nullaresnata: if you send me an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>reminding me, I'll have a play with it tomorrow for you. I'm just about off to bed!
[00:43] <Unit193> nullaresnata: Sound works otherwise?
[00:53] <bioterror> correct sound theme?-)
[00:53] <bioterror> I've seen that happening
[00:53] <nullaresnata> Found a way. :)
[00:54] <nullaresnata> Chose the method by command and directed the sound through aplay.
[00:54] <nullaresnata> Donw.
[00:54] <nullaresnata> *done
[00:54] <nullaresnata> Thanks anyway, you pointed out in the right direction.
[00:54] <phillw> nullaresnata: good to hear... one less task for me :)
[00:54] <Unit193> Great! Glad you got it fixed
[00:55] <Unit193> nullaresnata: So this makes sound ;)
[08:21] <smile> LubuntuPowered: hi! :p
[15:51] <david_j_r> For a small CLI utility, which is preferable for install: apt-get? or Synaptic Package Mgr? Or does it matter?
[15:54] <AmberJ> Synaptic is NOT CLI, david_j_r
[15:54] <AmberJ> small...well, go with apt-get (but it really depends on what you want)...
[15:54] <david_j_r> yes - understood - but I can get a prog that IS used only on CLI -
[15:54] <david_j_r> sorry if that was confusing!
[15:54] <AmberJ> apt-get is CLI, aptitude is CUI/TUI, synaptic is GUI
[15:54] <david_j_r> hashalot is the prog in question
[15:55] <david_j_r> I can install it either from apt-get, or get it from Synaptic
[15:55] <AmberJ> yes. you can install it using both...
[15:55] <david_j_r> and no difference doing so?
[15:55] <david_j_r> e.g., when it comes to upgrades?
[15:56] <AmberJ> No difference.
[15:56] <david_j_r> thanks!
[15:56] <david_j_r> I'm hazy on what happens with those modes of installation -- as you can see!
[15:57] <david_j_r> I'll just go for apt-get, then, with terminal already running.
[15:57] <AmberJ> Both are same. Synaptic is ALTERNATIVE graphical interface to apt-get.
[15:58] <david_j_r> Right! That's the missing link for me. Sometimes the simple things are the hardest to find out. ;)
[15:58] <david_j_r> Thanks again.
[15:59] <AmberJ> No problems :)
[18:03] <kop> is there an lxde user available here ?
[18:03] <holstein> kop: feel free and just ask away!
[18:04] <nothingspecial> one would hope so kop :)
[18:04] <kop> base install of 10.04 lubuntu w/nvidia driver/kernel
[18:04] <kop> after enabling the second screen the menu fonts are so small that they can not be read with a magnifying glass
[18:05] <kop> I don't have enough experience with the menu to know where the look and feel tab is
[18:05] <kop> until I get a command line option or someone that regularly uses the desktop can point me to the right selections this desktop is useless
[18:07] <smile> kop: use 11.10 instead. :)
[18:07] <holstein> well, you can go back to one screen, and poke around in the GUI for a bit... but...
[18:09] <bioterror> kop, is there a reason to use 10.04?
[18:09] <kop> smile, not an option snd_oss module is deprecated past 10.10
[18:09] <bioterror> there we go
[18:09] <smile> kop: why you want oss? :)
[18:10] <kop> just don't get me started on PA
[18:10] <holstein> kop: try it live though... alsa only is likely what you want
[18:11] <kop> doesn't work live as the module isn't in the L'ubuntu kernel options
[18:12] <holstein> maybe theres a backport... or another kernel option
[18:12] <kop> what I need is how to get to look and feel through a gui whose fonts have been reduced to less than 1/32"
[18:13] <holstein> anyways... you should be able to do either... use that sound device without pulse in 11.10, or change the fonlt size
[18:13] <holstein> font*
[18:13] <kop> emu10k1x
[18:13] <kop> get used to it I jus thin I cn tpye
[18:15] <kop> and just before anyone suspects I'm "new" I've had my login here since "openprojects"
[18:15] <kop> so where is look and feel located on a default install ?
[18:18] <kop> this will have to be ~start > how many up > how many up> and fortunately I have a screen shot of the look and feel dialog box
[18:18] <kop> krap I have a .18 dpi monitor and the fonts arn't big enough to read
[18:37] <smile> MrChrisDruif: hoi! :)
[18:45] <kop> so where is look and feel located on a default install ?
[18:46] <MrChrisDruif> Thanks kop
[18:46] <kop> I'll need nearly braille instructions because the fonts are unreadable
[18:46] <MrChrisDruif> According to http://lxde.org/lxappearance_change_look_feel the app should be lxappearance
[18:48] <kop> I've seen the dialog box in screen shots but lxappearance doesn't resemble it at all
[18:48] <MrChrisDruif> Can you make a printscreen of it?
[18:48] <kop> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-DQA25fY03Tk/Tkbk2dPqgVI/AAAAAAAABiQ/yB4bBUBkWbk/s1600/Screenshot-2.png
[18:49] <kop> actually no as it's on an unusable desktop
[18:49] <kop> the fonts are less than 1/32" tall
[18:50] <MrChrisDruif> The PrtSc button doesn't work?
[18:50] <kop> sure but I can't log in to anything I can't see
[18:51] <kop> not been able to set up xchat etc
[18:52] <kop> after enabling the second screen the menu fonts are so small that they can not be read with a magnifying glass
[18:52] <kop> am I making any sense ?
[18:53] <kop> imagine trying to read 4pt font on a 1024x768 screen
[18:53]  * MrChrisDruif is having dinner while helping you
[18:54] <kop> appreciated
[18:55] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, but the window is looking kinda similar to the link you send me?
[18:56] <kop> no I cant get there from here
[18:56] <kop> need directions
[18:57] <MrChrisDruif> Does the terminal open when you press Ctrl+Alt+T?
[18:57] <kop> start > settings ? (I can see that one ) > how many from the top or bottom ....
[18:58] <kop> yes but nothing in the lxappearance resembles the .png I posted :-/
[18:58] <kop> am I wrong ver , release ?
[18:58] <kop> <----lost
[18:59] <MrChrisDruif> which version of Lubuntu are you running?
[19:00]  * kop is wishing for a command line option for ssh
[19:00] <kop> 10.04
[19:00] <Unit193> What about switching to a TTY?
[19:00] <kop> need kernel modules that arn't included in 10.10 on
[19:01] <MrChrisDruif> !TTY
[19:01] <MrChrisDruif> And Unit193; that'll probably won't work because lxappearance is a graphical app?
[19:02] <Unit193> MrChrisDruif: It won't show up there, no. You can either fix it CLI style, or  DISPLAY=:0 lxappearance  (Should pick it up)
[19:03] <MrChrisDruif> Does "lxappearance &" open the lxappearance app?
[19:03] <MrChrisDruif> That might be a useful command
[19:04] <MrChrisDruif> kop; ^
[19:06] <MrChrisDruif> kop; you still with us?
[19:06] <kop> it does but dia'g box fonts are as the rest
[19:07] <kop> <---- the day interrupts here also
[19:09] <icanhasdearia> What is the path used in this distribution for storing game data files?  e.g. for gentoo linux each game has its own directory in /usr/share/games/.  I'm collecting notes for each distro so that I can collect a list of all possible paths to make sure to look in each of them for a particular game.
[19:11] <MrChrisDruif> icanhasdearia; try searching that folder (aka I don't know)
[19:11] <Unit193> icanhasdearia: Depends on the game, but assault cube has them in ~/.assaultcube_v1.04/ for example
[19:12] <MrChrisDruif> kop; so lxappearance is open now?
[19:12] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, maybe they all store them in ~/ ?
[19:12] <MrChrisDruif> As hidden folders?
[19:12] <smile> bye :)
[19:13] <Unit193> MrChrisDruif: Aye
[19:13] <MrChrisDruif> Unit193; where are the settings saved from lxappearance? Maybe it's easier to just open that file with nano and edit it?
[19:14] <psesq> games installed from repos are in /usr/share/games too
[19:14] <MrChrisDruif> Unit193; is it on lubuntu-rc.xml?
[19:15] <psesq> and those, which are not installed from deb - in home, as hidden ;)
[19:15] <psesq> in my case
[19:16] <Unit193> psesq: Data files
[19:16]  * MrChrisDruif isn't on Lubuntu to test
[19:17] <Unit193> MrChrisDruif: It's got fonts in there,a ye
[19:18] <psesq> anyway, i don't think it depends on distro, but game?
[19:19] <pat> I've found this: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/09/install-lubuntu-software-center.html  but I'm on Lucid and it doesnt' seem to be working.  Is there a way to install the software center on lububtu lucid?
[19:19] <MrChrisDruif> Unit193; http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=73909.0
[19:20] <Unit193> The software center isn't ready anyway
[19:20] <Unit193> MrChrisDruif: On that page, just haven't read it
[19:20] <MrChrisDruif> pat; you'd need to download the source files and compile it yourself. It isn't without reason that it isn't available for ALL Lubuntu versions
[19:21] <pat> Bah.  I'm looking for an easy way mymother can install software.  You can browse by category in the sofwre center, unless there's a way to do it in synaptics GUI too
[19:22] <MrChrisDruif> pat; in the tree on the left side you can also scroll categories
[19:22] <MrChrisDruif> Not as intuitive like LSC or USC etc...
[19:22]  * MrChrisDruif doesn't know if you can hide technical packages in Synaptic
[19:24] <pat> I'll just NOT tell her how to do it and punch a hole through her firewall instead so I can get in and do it.
[19:24] <pat> Thanks folks.
[19:25] <MrChrisDruif> pangolin;
[19:25] <MrChrisDruif> <_<"
[19:25] <MrChrisDruif> Dang...
[19:25] <MrChrisDruif> Just use SSH keys I wanted to say
[19:26]  * MrChrisDruif is off again
[19:26] <Unit193> +screen
[19:26] <MrChrisDruif> Sorry kop, but I've got to do some stuff
[19:29] <kop> MrChrisDruif,  I'll get there somehow and screenshot , dia some wtf to the forum as well as links here
[19:38] <kop> way kewl
[19:39] <kop> have all but the main menu  fonts to 32pt
[19:39] <kop> now for the menu ...
[19:39] <kop> any ideas
[19:39]  * kop googles futility
[19:54] <kop> ok down to one final adjustment
[19:54] <kop> font size in the main menu .....
[20:21] <corvus_> Anyone have any experience with xfce-screenshooter in Lubuntu?
[20:22] <corvus_> Or any screenshot utility in Lubuntu, for that matter?
[20:23] <Unit193> scrot is the default
[20:23] <AmberJ> corvus_, Print Screen key saves to ~/
[20:24] <corvus_> scrot is terminal based, yes?
[20:24] <Unit193> Yep (and read what Amber said)
[20:25] <corvus_> All right, I will check. Thanks.
[20:25] <AmberJ> yes, but it is bind to "Print Screen" key in Lubuntu.
[20:26] <corvus_> Tried taking a screenshot of my desktop. Couldn't find the image in ~/
[20:33] <corvus_> ?
[20:39] <AmberJ> Ah...he left. I got disconnected :(
[20:39] <clache> Hi, I have a problem on Lubuntu 11.10. My wifi pcmcia card Netgear WG511v3 work fine with the <IP_ADDRESS> kernel, but not recognise with <IP_ADDRESS>.
[20:40] <clache> http://paste.ubuntu-fr-secours.org/src-105726 At the begginning it's when it work. After line 304 when it's bad.
[20:42] <clache> If someone have heard about this.
[21:32] <bioterror> pangolin,
[21:32] <bioterror> have you seen here much problems?
[21:33] <pangolin> I haven't
[21:56] <bioterror> clache, are you now using <IP_ADDRESS>?
[21:57] <clache> Yes now, i'm on <IP_ADDRESS>
[21:59] <bioterror> you should probably report a bug against kernel <IP_ADDRESS> that the driver is missing or something like that
[22:00] <bioterror> best way to make kernel team to be sure that they forgot to include something in there ;)
[22:02] <clache> Ok, i'm a beginner, i'm looking for that
[22:02] <bioterror> launchpad.net is the place for bug tracking
[22:02] <bioterror> and lots of other things
[22:03] <clache> Yes, I known, For doing a good report, i'm going ask help in my language.


[00:03] <elky> AlanBell, i got it set up, just in time to go to bed.
[22:11] <pleia2> any other updates to http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/ReportingPage ? I'm going to post it to the main report in a couple hours
[22:11]  * nhandler hugs pleia2
[22:11]  * pleia2 hugs
[22:11]  * maco hugs both of you
[22:11] <pleia2> yay!