[01:09] <teward> so, a bit of a question, but I have a system at OVH with a number of IP ranges.  I'd like to have the one range that's in the system itself *as* the system itself, but take the IP range that the system utilizes as extra IPs and bridge it directly to a VM that's an lxd/qemu VM.  Is this as simple as setting up a bridge on the host in netplan that is a bridge to the primary host ethernet interface, but without configuration, and let the
[01:09] <teward> VM config/bridge to it?
[01:09] <teward> while keeping eth0 / primary interface configured for that system's IPs.
[01:10] <teward> just wanna spot-check my brain knowledge before I do anything.
[06:59] <blahdeblah> teward: It all depends on how OVH get the packets to you.  If they route them to you (i.e. send the packets for all ranges to your MAC address) then you have more options about how you split them up.  If they bridge them to you (i.e. ARP for the destination on the provider facing LAN segment that you're attached to), then you would have to bridge them and enable proxy arp for those IPs.
[06:59] <blahdeblah> I like the former a lot better, and I would hope that's their default setup...
[17:33] <evit> If I'm upgrading from PHP 8.0 to 8.2 can I just backup my PHP configuration files, upgrade and then restore the old files or is there a huge difference in them from 8.0 to 8.2?
[17:47] <sdeziel> evit: probably best to go through https://www.php.net/releases/8.1/en.php and https://www.php.net/releases/8.2/en.php
[17:47] <athos> evit: you should refer to https://www.php.net/releases/8.1/en.php#deprecations_and_bc_breaks and https://www.php.net/releases/8.2/en.php#deprecations_and_bc_breaks in case you get any issues.
[17:47] <athos> oh, thx, sdeziel :)
[17:50] <evit> sdeziel, athos, thank you


[12:22] <seb128> rbalint, hey, as a fyi I case you didn't see the comments, I reassigned bug #1914062 back to systemd now
[12:22] <rbalint> seb128, i saw it, thanks for the triaging
[12:22] <seb128> sounds like udev stopped working properly under lxc since 247
[12:22] <seb128> np!
[12:22] <rbalint> seb128, this is an old disagreement between lxd and systemd upstreams about mounts
[12:23] <rbalint> seb128, i give a try to resolve it
[12:23] <seb128> k
[12:24] <seb128> @release, could you unblock the network-manager update blocked in hirsute-proposed? the systemd failure is what is discussed there ^ and not a regression
[12:24] <udevbot> Error: "release," is not a valid command.
[15:37] <RikMills> seb128: are you really intending a backwards soname transition for libzip?
[15:41] <seb128> RikMills, rdepends list doesn't seem undoable and that's one less delta over Debian
[15:41] <seb128> but I don't have a strong opinion, if people disagree or think we don't want that they are welcome to do another upload
[15:41] <RikMills> no, that is fair enough
[15:42] <RikMills> thanks
[15:42] <seb128> np!
[15:43] <Laney> the update itself is angry though ;-)
[15:43] <RikMills> yeah, build time tests that only fail on our infra
[15:44] <seb128> :-(
[15:45] <RikMills> oh the debain upload was in October, so the archive has also moved on since then
[16:13] <seb128> RikMills, is the sshfs-fuse revert still needed?
[16:27] <RikMills> seb128: yes, as otherwise it results in fuse3 being required on the kubuntu ISO, which is not allowed and fails to build, as the ISO build system installs fuse 2
[16:27] <seb128> RikMills, k, maybe you could merge the current version?
[16:28] <RikMills> seb128: no, as the debai version genuinely NEEDS fuse3
[16:28] <RikMills> *debian
[16:31] <RikMills> this is why I was asking about progress on weaning things in main off fuse2
[16:37] <RikMills> seb128: maybe in the next few week swe can look afresh to see if there is some way to make the ISO build not fail? that would be good, as there is another thing that NEEDS fuse 3 that I would now like to get on the kubuntu ISO if possible.
[16:38] <RikMills> finding time to dig into it is main thing
[16:39] <seb128> right, we would need to check what components are still behind and need porting


[00:15] <cjwatson> Ah, I forgot to copy the livefs objects in LP
[00:15] <cjwatson> Maybe I should script that since that's new process
[00:35] <cjwatson> Scripted, run, and documented for next time


[21:51] <_MMA_> ve it to me.
[21:51] <_MMA_> gah
[22:04] <kwwii> :p
[22:04] <kwwii> oh baby, I am soooo going to give it to you
[22:06] <_MMA_> Pidgin does this thing where if you typing in one tab, then get a PM, it focuses the next tab. Not the PM. So if you're in the middle of typing and don't realize it, you get what I did above. Real annoying.
[22:09] <kwwii> don't worry, the new notification stuff will fix everything
[22:09] <_MMA_> \o/
[22:10] <_MMA_> It's gonna be our duct tape.
[22:11] <kwwii> it does indeed have a sticky feel to it
[22:11] <_MMA_> :P


[00:21] <penguin42> well, dads machine mostly ok - although wth his flash is crashing reliably, every time is a separate question
[00:28] <daftykins> boo flash
[00:31] <penguin42> indeed, but he does watch things like news.bbc - but I've never seen it crash like this before; it's not even giving a grey block; it's just not appearing at all, not even taking space up - and there is an entry appearing each time in .mozilla/Crash Reports
[00:34] <daftykins> tried a clean FF profile?
[00:36] <penguin42> no, but it was a fresh install
[03:44] <kaushal> Hi
[03:44] <kaushal> I am using chrome on ubuntu 11.10, I am unable to launch jnlp file. Any known issue?
[07:13] <MartijnVdS> My X ! Ti's broken!
[07:13] <MartijnVdS> Random characters and parts of windows are disappearing
[07:15] <MartijnVdS> apparently ran out of graphics memory (according to xorg.0.log)
[09:11] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:17] <directhex> yes, it is
[09:18]  * brobostigon point at the rain outside.
[09:18] <brobostigon> points*
[09:19] <directhex> rain shmain. sounds like today might be the day we get to leave hospital
[09:19] <brobostigon> :)
[09:26] <directhex> i'm going to go buy some nappies. woo, nappies.
[09:27] <brobostigon> lol
[09:54] <DaveMorris1> Hi all,  I'm trying to upgrade from Lucid to Pecise (desktop) and it can't find the release.  I've checked /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and it is set to lts, update and upgrade to the latest lucid.  But still get "No new release found" after running sudo do-release-upgrade
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> you might need to run
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades#Upgrade_from_11.10_to_12.04_LTS_and_10.04_LTS_to_12.04_LTS
[10:36] <DaveMorris1> I needed to use the -d flag
[10:36] <DaveMorris1> since it won't appear as an upgrade until the .1 release
[11:05] <kvarley> Long shot
[11:06] <kvarley> But what could a 3 pin cable be coming out of my psu?
[11:06] <Nafallo> kvarley: fan monitoring?
[11:07] <kvarley> Nafallo: For the PSU's fan?
[11:08] <kvarley> There is one coming out of the ATX power connector for the motherboard too which is weird
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> Everyone is at/watching/celebrating the jubilee?
[13:09] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: me,sort of.. I was going to swim ahead of them on the Thames... but the water's too cold ;)
[13:09] <SuperEngineer> so I'm watchin on magic picture box
[13:10] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: BBC One HD here
[13:10] <SuperEngineer> [& celebrating by raising a glass]
[13:10] <SuperEngineer> BBC LD here
[13:10]  * MartijnVdS drinks some tea, despite being Dutch
[13:10] <brobostigon> SuperEngineer: reminds me of the chap that interrupted the oxford/cambridge boat race.
[13:10] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[13:10] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: that _wasn't_ SuperEngineer ?
[13:11] <SuperEngineer> [nope, that wasn't me]
[13:11] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i doubt it. :)
[13:11] <SuperEngineer> they seek him here, they seek him there.....
[13:11] <MartijnVdS> if he's really a super engineer, his submarine would've worked properly? ;)
[13:12] <SuperEngineer> SuperEngineers don'rt need submarines
[13:12] <SuperEngineer> [just a spell checker ;)]
[13:13] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Liam Proven] A handy postcard-sized guide to programming languages - http://liam-on-linux.livejournal.com/29693.html
[13:16] <SuperEngineer> commentator remarks "The Duke of Edinburgh just out of shot"!  Is the duke shooting the oideons or the noisy ones in the crowd?
[13:16] <SuperEngineer> *pidgeons
[13:17] <SuperEngineer> ooo nice steam train salute
[13:58] <SuperEngineer> oo lots of wet stuff falling from sky here at home - hope it doesn't head London's way
[14:08] <MartijnVdS> https://twitter.com/#!/Queen_UK
[14:12] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: SuperEngineer laughs
[14:19] <AlanBell> o/ popey and czajkowski
[14:19] <AlanBell> we can see the window you are looking out of
[14:27] <SuperEngineer> oi! that's just posing
[14:33] <AlanBell> https://twitter.com/#!/czajkowski pictures from Millbank
[14:36] <Flashtek> o/
[14:40] <SuperEngineer> Queenie says "Dear God, One's anthem clearly states 'God save the Queen' NOT 'God freeze the Queen'". One could ged pee'd off, you know.
[14:42] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: That is why the Queen values the commonwealth so much, well not Canada, but most of the places are warmer and drier
[14:48] <MartijnVdS> Oh look, there's parliament. Ready cannons.
[14:48] <brobostigon> lol
[14:48] <SuperEngineer> o! not aiming at me you fools, this is one's special day!
[14:48] <MartijnVdS> Queen_UK's twitter account++
[14:50] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: loved the "cut glass with..." tweet  ;)
[14:51] <SuperEngineer> [made I giggle]
[14:54]  * SuperEngineer congrats National Theatre... that was impressive
[14:57] <AlanBell> nice horse wasn't it
[14:57] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: yup
[15:38] <SuperEngineer> well that was impressive.. but none of more so than Britannia launch being saluted by Britannia choo choo on bridge
[15:38] <SuperEngineer> hey - who inserted the "of" in that - doh!
[15:41] <Azelphur> think I might buy a GTX 680, I hear they solve all the quad screen issues
[15:41] <Azelphur> I asked on nvnews, and an nvidia rep literally just replied with "Yes." xD
[15:48] <SuperEngineer> How many roads must a man walk down? None sir, One goes by boat!
[15:56] <SuperEngineer> ahmm:  AlanBell,popey & czajkowski - now go get out there in the rain and enjoy it ;)
[16:02] <AlanBell> SuperEngineer: I am sat at home watching the telly
[16:07] <SuperEngineer> ok AlanBell - you win
[16:08] <SuperEngineer> [so it's just "the guilty two" then... go get wet folks!
[16:10] <SuperEngineer> it also explains the regular tweets... thouht you'd developed a "secretary script" ;)
[16:14] <Azelphur> If I buy something from inside EU I don't get charged customs right?
[16:24] <BigRedS> Azelphur: nope
[16:24] <BigRedS> well, I never have and I understand that to be deliberate
[16:24] <Azelphur> cool :)
[16:34] <SuperEngineer> Just noticed - a few of the boats in the jubilee regatta are dipping *way* below their load lines - as in unsafe load
[16:36] <dogmatic69> anyone used / looked at free nas? http://www.freenas.org/
[16:36] <dogmatic69> looks pretty good
[16:53] <SuperEngineer> Land of hope & glory" in the rain - against all odds, & now Rule Brittania - makes ya proud!
[17:00] <SuperEngineer> oh YES - one likes this last trick! Now clap! even Her Maj is smiling.
[17:04] <SuperEngineer> ...and that is how you do pageantry!
[17:05] <dogmatic69> Prince Philip was doing a bit of foot tapping to that track
[17:07] <brobostigon> they were all getting jiggy, as my mum put it.
[17:31] <czajkowski> evil rain
[17:37] <penguin42> czajkowski: I think she may have noticed the irony in long may she rain over us
[17:43] <SuperEngineer> and to bring everybody back to reality: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-18316130#sa-ns_mchannel=rss&ns_source=PublicRSS20-sa
[17:44] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Are nigerian passenger planes known for being airworthy?
[17:47] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: no - but not for crashing into buildings in Lagos while carrying 162 passengers
[17:50] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Well, actually http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_on_commercial_airliners_grouped_by_location#Nigeria   you're right, they normally don't hit the buildings
[17:52] <SuperEngineer> penguin42 you are missing a soul - why not hunt for it on Wikisoul
[17:53] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: I tried, they didn't have one that would fit
[17:54] <SuperEngineer> i guessed that
[17:57] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Lots of people die every day, it's a bad thing of course it is, but I'm not going to be too surprised by a 3rd world airliner crashing; there are over 2000 people killed on the roads in the UK each year - you can't feel bad about every death
[17:57] <penguin42> (* unless you were the guy flying/servicing the aircraft....)
[18:00]  * SuperEngineer wonders if banning bigotry  racism could be extended to comments such as the above
[18:12] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Apologies - my intention is not to offend; but I really can't let every bad thing in the world upset me; there are too many bad things
[19:30] <popey> evening
[19:31] <directhex> howdy
[19:34] <penguin42> evenin
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> \o
[19:40] <BigRedS> g'morning!
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> CM 7.2-RC3 is out
[19:40] <directhex> android :(
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> directhex: WinPhone user?
[19:41] <directhex> yes!
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> directhex: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo
[19:45] <Laney> meow
[19:45] <Laney> popey: is there a unity release schedule?
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> Laney: ?
[19:45] <Laney> also how was MB?
[19:45] <Laney> if I remembered it was flotilla day I might have gone :(
[19:45]  * Laney gnaws on MartijnVdS
[19:45]  * MartijnVdS runs away
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> darn zombies
[19:46] <directhex> i was in the hopsital :(
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> uh oh..
[19:47]  * Laney rubs delicious marinade on directhex
[19:47] <Laney> are they coming home soon? :(
[19:50] <mattt> directhex: hospital why ?
[19:52] <directhex> Laney, was going to be today, but they revoked access due to blood pressure
[19:55] <popey> Laney: no, but there will be soon
[19:56] <Laney> ok
[19:56] <Laney> I got all the patches together to fix the current ftbfs and was wondering if it's worthwhile uploading
[19:58] <czajkowski> directhex: what did you have a boy or girl?
[19:58]  * czajkowski waves at popey how did ye get on at Vauxhall?
[19:58] <directhex> czajkowski, boy
[19:58] <popey> Laney: oooh! for unity on quantal?
[19:59] <Laney> ja
[19:59] <czajkowski> directhex: lovely! name?
[19:59] <popey> love you
[19:59] <directhex> czajkowski, nathan
[19:59] <Laney> i think nux needs bumping to use the new boost too
[19:59] <popey> let didrocks know pls
[19:59] <Laney> but that's no-change
[19:59] <Laney> aye
[19:59] <popey> yes, there is that
[19:59] <Laney> some of the patches were his too
[19:59] <Laney> i'll whack it up once the crumble is in
[20:00] <Laney> om nom rhubarb
[20:00] <popey> he was working on the ftbfs last week
[20:00] <popey> nom!
[20:00] <popey> and parp
[20:00] <popey> czajkowski: that was most odd
[20:03] <popey> czajkowski: see my fb/G+ status about it
[21:09] <dwatkins> http://www.themagpi.com/ looks interesting, popey - in case you hvn't seen it already
[22:01] <Steve__> Hi, I'm new to Ubuntu
[22:02] <Steve__> I was wondering if it is possible to uninstall the IM service included with 12.04
[22:03] <Steve__> There's a lot of web-based add-ons included with ubuntu I don't want to keep
[22:03] <Steve__> I think the chat software is called pidgon
[22:56] <bigcalm> Beep
[22:57] <penguin42> Beeeee  Beep!
[22:57] <bigcalm> DFS >_
[22:57] <penguin42> *.
[22:58] <bigcalm> That's about as much as I remember without looking things up
[23:05] <dwatkins> I thought my Tomtom needed new imagery, so I put this on it from a BBC Micro... http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7230/7206087872_0265a13252.jpg
[23:06] <penguin42> what's the res on the tomtom?
[23:06] <dwatkins> I think mine is 320x240, penguin42
[23:07] <penguin42> close to Mode1 :-)
[23:07] <bigcalm> Heh, cute
[23:08] <dwatkins> yeah, I imagine you could run an emulator in theory, but you'd need some kind of keyboard
[23:08] <penguin42> does it do bluetooth ?
[23:08] <dwatkins> yeah, I think so
[23:09] <penguin42> well there you go :-)
[23:09] <dwatkins> indeed, although mine doesn't have an SD Card slot, so I'd use one which the storage can be replaced in.
[23:09]  * penguin42 wonders why Tomtom's are still going given all the mobiles these days
[23:10] <dwatkins> I prefer having a discrete device to do navigation that's separate from my phone.
[23:10] <bigcalm> Doesn't rely upon a 'net connection
[23:10] <dwatkins> Also, I don't want to have to download maps as I go (although I could install the Tomtom app on my phone, all 2 GB of it)
[23:10] <bigcalm> Can hook into traffic situations
[23:10] <dwatkins> The app is quite expensive, I think.
[23:11] <dwatkins> also, it's not compatible with my phone.
[23:14] <gord> you can make google maps cache areas now
[23:14] <gord> so you just cache the areas you are gonna be in often
[23:21]  * hamitron doesn't know which areas to cache, that he will get lost in
[23:21] <dwatkins> yeah, I live in Scotland but don't know the area, so I'd prefer to have the entire country already on a device.
[23:22] <hamitron> same
[23:22] <hamitron> about having it all there I mean
[23:22]  * bigcalm likes getting lost :)
[23:22] <hamitron> get lost then ;)
[23:23] <ali1234> ovi maps has always been able to do that
[23:23] <ali1234> if you have a big enough SD card you can put ALL the maps on it
[23:23] <dwatkins> The other difference between my Tomtom and my phone is that the windscreen mount for the Tomtom works several orders of magnitude better than the one for my phone ;)
[23:23] <dwatkins> iirc the Tomtom app is £70.
[23:23] <hamitron> I tried ovi maps on a phone.....
[23:24] <hamitron> I had to travel at 50mph to get the directions given in time
[23:24] <hamitron> :/
[23:24] <dwatkins> in time? were you in a DeLorean, hamitron? ;)
[23:25] <hamitron> hehe
[23:26] <hamitron> best I've used on a phone is route66 on my ngage
[23:26] <dwatkins> ah, the iPhone Tomtom app is only £40...
[23:27] <hamitron> but never tried the stuff that needs net connection
[23:27] <hamitron> does that £40 lock the app to that phone?
[23:28] <dwatkins> no, the app is tied to your iTunes account, so you can install it on another iPhone no problem.
[23:28] <hamitron> is that the same for android apps?
[23:28] <dwatkins> I believe so, yes.
[23:28] <gbyers_> hamitron, yes
[23:28] <hamitron> that is something I guess
[23:28] <hamitron> :)
[23:29] <dwatkins> hmm, doesn't look like there's a UK Tomtom app yet for Android.
[23:29] <hamitron> :-o
[23:30]  * hamitron crosses off android phone on his wish list and writes "iphone"
[23:32]  * gbyers_ does not know why he is here it just logs him in automatically he is really in irc.twit.tv
[23:33] <hamitron> you can't hide the fact you love been here
[23:33] <hamitron> ;)
[23:33] <hamitron> a feature helps you out with that
[23:37] <gbyers_> hamitron, join us on irc.twit.tv
[23:38] <hamitron> why?
[23:38] <hamitron> I think I maybe got enough channels to troll already :)
[23:41] <gbyers_> you can join in on the tech chat hamitron with Leo Laporte Live
[23:42] <hamitron> who? ;/
[23:42]  * hamitron is too lazy to move, sorry
[23:50] <gbyers_> hamitron, have you never listendto this week in tech, tech news today , this week in google, FLOSS WEEKLY ?
[23:51] <dwatkins> I used to listen to TWiT and Security Now.
[23:51] <dogmatic69> how can I rename *.foo.bar to *.bar
[23:51] <dwatkins> dogmatic69: with a regexp and the 'rename' command.
[23:51] <gbyers_> dwatkins, its live now live.twit.tv
[23:51] <dwatkins> cool
[23:51] <stgraber> dogmatic69: rename "s/.foo.bar$/.bar/g" *
[23:51] <dogmatic69> find ./ -exec rename <something> ?
[23:52] <gbyers_> dwatkins, I think there is a show you would really like called floss weekly
[23:52] <dogmatic69> stgraber: thanks
[23:52] <dwatkins> thanks gbyers_, I'll check it out
[23:54] <dwatkins> I may go back and listen to Security Now from the beginning, as they explained TCP/IP from the ground upwards.
[23:54]  * penguin42 hands dwatkins a flock of pidgeons
[23:54] <penguin42> and a hawk
[23:54] <dwatkins> Network transport via avian carrier?
[23:55] <gbyers_> dwatkins, yea its where they talk about open source software  http://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly
[23:55] <penguin42> dwatkins: Yep, the hawk lets you get used to retries


[12:05] <\sh> ajmitch: ping
[01:12] <Unfrgiven> \sh: ping
[01:14] <\sh> Unfrgiven: pong
[01:16] <Unfrgiven> hey dude
[01:16] <Unfrgiven> \sh: got ur email
[01:16] <Unfrgiven> \sh: jst got into work... :) ill take a look at gmetadom now
[01:17] <\sh> ok :)
[02:55] <Unfrgiven> what does "CCDEPMODE = depmode=gcc3" mean in makefiles? im trying to build a package right now that seems to want gcc-3.4 and I have a feeling its because of the depmode
[02:57] <plugwash> tried removing it and seeing what happens?
[02:58] <Unfrgiven> not yet... the package has heaps of the instances
[03:44] <|QuaD->  /topic
[05:27] <schweeb> wake the hell up
[05:51] <Unfrgiven> im having a problem with a package at the moment. when doing a pbuilder build, it fails as it can't find gcc-3.4. but the source doesnt have any reference to gcc-3.4. what gives?!?
[10:43] <ivoks> i'm going slightly mad... :)
[10:44] <\sh> "queen"
[10:45] <\sh> morning ivoks
[10:45] <ivoks> morning
[10:45] <ivoks> "queer" :)
[10:45] <\sh> no..."I#m going slightly mad" is a quote out of a queen song :)
[10:45] <ivoks> i know :)
[10:46] <ivoks> my brother is big fan... :)
[10:47] <ivoks> omg
[10:47] <ivoks> another one :)
[10:48] <ivoks> sh you are from germany, right?
[10:49] <\sh> ivoks: yes
[10:49] <ivoks> you guys love ISDN there, as much as we love it here
[10:49] <ivoks> :)
[10:49] <ivoks> i don't know how to set up ISDN on 2.6 kernels :(
[10:50] <\sh> ivoks: the last time i used isdn was 1999
[10:50] <ivoks> hehe
[10:51] <ivoks> i never used it... but i have one client that has dial-up system
[10:51] <ivoks> and i can't get it work with 2.6
[10:51] <\sh> with kernel 2.2 and isdn4linux and a leased isdn line :) so don't ask me about isdn...ping ogra..he's an ISDN fetishist ;)
[10:51] <ivoks> :)
[10:51] <ivoks> ok
[11:11] <ogra> \sh, what ?
[11:13] <ivoks> ogra: do you use isdn with 2.6 kernel?
[11:25] <siretart> ivoks: I read that hoarys kernel has some avm binary modules shipped. should work with them
[11:26] <siretart> ivoks: if you cannot or don't want to use them, you would need the misdn kernel patch for kernel 2.6
[11:26] <ivoks> heh... then it will be misdn
[11:26] <ivoks> i used manna before
[11:27] <ivoks> it loaded hisax modul which detected my ISDN card
[11:27] <ivoks> now, hisax doesn't detect that same ISDN card
[11:28] <siretart> yes, but is hisax working on 2.6 kernels at all? I read that is was not, (or at least is deprecated)
[11:31] <siretart> ivoks: btw, I tried out wifi-radar. I had problems on my madwifi, when I try to connect, i don't get an ip address
[11:31] <ogra> ivoks, i use isdn if its necessary (i.e. if i just moved house....) which wasnt the case since a year or so.... and i helped testing the binary AVM drivers for hoary, thats all i have to do with isdn
[11:32] <ogra> ivoks, you dont want to use hiasx with a 2.6 kernel
[11:32] <siretart> ivoks: so I had an iwevent running and inspected what was going on: each time the card got associated to an AP, it lost that association immediatly. I think thats a madwifi specific issue, will need to debug wifi-radar to see what it does.
[11:34] <siretart> I also had a look at the wpa functionality: it requires the user to have a working /etc/wpasupplicant.conf. Then it could work (haven't tested it myself, but that approach could work)
[11:37] <ivoks> ok
[11:37] <ivoks> then i will use 2.4 kernels for that for some time...
[11:37] <ivoks> thanks guys
[11:38] <ivoks> siretart: on ipw2200 works ok
[11:42] <siretart> ivoks: I had the chance to let an ipw2100 user try it out. there I didn't see that problem
[11:43] <siretart> ivoks: there was another one: when connecting to an AP: wifi-radar spit out an error message "Address could not be assigned" or something
[11:44] <siretart> but the interface had an ip, and connection was there :)
[11:46] <ivoks> ?
[11:48] <siretart> strange, I was confused, too ;)
[11:59] <ivoks> hm...
[12:00] <ivoks> when i start programs with python i get:
[12:00] <ivoks> 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback
[12:00] <ivoks> No installed Python found.
[12:00] <ivoks> and that's in hoary...
[12:01] <ogra> hey lesliev
[12:02] <ogra> nice to see you
[12:02] <Mez> me?
[12:02] <Mez> aw thanks
[12:02] <ogra> Mez, you too, yes *grin*
[12:05] <lesliev> hey!
[12:07] <ogra> lesliev, siretart is the guy to talk to about game fixes ;)
[12:08] <lesliev> hiya siretart ;-)
[12:09] <siretart> huhu lesliev
[12:09] <siretart> :)
[12:10] <lesliev> I have a .desktop and a icon for sopwith. My packaging attempts are not too good yet, but I have the files.
[12:10] <lesliev> Do I upload them to malone?
[12:12] <siretart> lesliev: you may upload them to malone, or mail them to me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:12] <lesliev> BTW: in the .desktop I put sopwith in category ArcadeGame and that didn't seem to work. So I put it in 'Game'
[12:12] <lesliev> k
[12:12] <\sh> ha lesliev
[12:13] <\sh> "So tomorrow I sign the contract and then God-willing I will immediately start a C++ development contract"
[12:13] <\sh> yes...thats what we need...c++ hackers...kde hackers ;)
[12:13] <ogra> bah
[12:13] <ogra> \sh, there is gtkmm, what for do we need KDE ?
[12:14] <Lathiat> c++ is icky
[12:14] <Lathiat> python is where its at
[12:14] <Lathiat> .. running on mono :)
[12:14] <ogra> yay
[12:14] <\sh> ogra: I did the transition at least for one gtkmm version...it's a lot of stupid code in there ;)
[12:14] <ogra> \sh, tell that to murrac ;)
[12:15] <\sh> building c++ code from templates...*buah*
[12:15] <ogra> \sh, and dont tell it to loud if dholbach is around, he's a murrac fanboy
[12:15] <ogra> murrayc, sorry
[12:15] <\sh> thats just like awk+sed+perl are creating mono bindings for oracle ;)
[12:16] <\sh> actually i fixed it
[12:17] <\sh> but anyways... lesliev is another potential supporter of my biltong ZA -> DE connection
[12:18] <lesliev> ??
[12:18] <\sh> lesliev: http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/18-Daylight-Robbery.html
[12:18] <ogra> lesliev, he is looking for someone to send him tons of biltong....
[12:19] <lesliev> ha!
[12:19] <\sh> not only me :)
[12:20] <ogra> \em thinks \sh should ask canonical for a bounty and payment in biltong
[12:20] <\sh> ogra: ask mark the next time, to provide u with some gramms of biltong :) u will be an addict in no time :)
[12:20] <ogra> emm... /me indeed....
[12:22] <lesliev> I like the biltong mafia idea
[12:22] <lesliev> Bootleg Biltong
[12:22] <tseng> unless your name is Nafallo and you feel the need to complain about the same things three times :)
[12:22] <Lathiat> heh
[12:24] <\sh> hihihi
[12:24] <lesliev> unfortunately I have never been to Germany and don't know anyone who goes regularly
[12:24] <tseng> so that picture in your blog
[12:24] <tseng> is disgusting
[12:24] <lesliev> My brother is in the UK tho...
[12:24] <\sh> lesliev: well...send it via uk to germany...no customs ;)
[12:25] <lesliev> hehe
[12:25] <lesliev> And how do I get tons of Biltong to the UK??
[12:25] <\sh> lesliev: ship container airbus 380
[12:25] <\sh> depends on you ;)
[12:26] <lesliev> you have mad cow disease!
[12:26] <ogra> heh
[12:26] <Mithrandir> lesliev: that's not a problem unless you ship something back
[12:27] <\sh> lesliev: I can provide good beer in return :)
[12:27] <\sh> but no...u have good beer in za as well
[12:27] <tseng> i dont imagine beer travels very well
[12:27] <Mithrandir> it does, actually.
[12:27] <Mithrandir> not pilsener and such, but real beer is fine.
[12:28] <Mithrandir> IPA was developed to withstand the sea travel to India.
[12:28] <\sh> Mithrandir: what is "real beer"?
[12:28] <Mithrandir> IPA, porter, stouts, lots of ales.
[12:28] <Mithrandir> bitter.
[12:28] <lesliev> Seriously: I'll look into it. It can't be too hard.
[12:28] <lesliev> I know a guy who does imports and exports into Africa
[12:28] <Mithrandir> ogra: it _really_ depends.  The pilseners are sad and shitty.
[12:29] <ogra> Mithrandir, i have no idea what was in the glass :) but it tasted very good
[12:29] <\sh> lesliev: u read about the prices for biltong here in germany...it's ridiculus
[12:29] <tseng> i know a guy you can send a medicine mask to
[12:29] <Mithrandir> ogra: heh.
[12:29] <tseng> it would validate his life
[12:29] <\sh> ogra: .no beer? hahaha...u mean pee of an polarbear
[12:29] <lesliev> Now biltong is about R75 per kilo, so a ton will come to R75000 without tax and duties.
[12:30] <Mithrandir> ogra: I'll see if I can bring some _really_ nice beer for the next conf.
[12:30] <lesliev> Cany uoi put that in my account so long?
[12:30] <Mithrandir> \sh: we have some excellent beers too, but as I say, the lagers aren't much to look at.
[12:30] <\sh> lesliev: so...less then 10 euros for 1kg of game chili biltong :)
[12:36] <tseng> what do we need to fix to make apt not want to remove half my desktop?
[12:38] <tseng> libx11?
[12:43] <siretart> re
[12:45] <siretart> lesliev: I got your mail, thank you for your contribution
[12:45] <siretart> lesliev: when I get home, I will integrate them into sopwith and prepare an upload
[01:00] <lesliev> siretart: cool! If it would not be too much trouble, could you write a little howto as you do it?
[01:00] <lesliev> Or record your keys with screen or something and let me have that?
[01:01] <lesliev> I am eager to be able to mod packages and reading the docs is taking so looong!
[01:04] <lesliev> sh: I'm sure I can send you some biltong. I'll find out how to do it over the weekend.
[01:08] <lesliev> email me your shipping address<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:10] <siretart> lesliev: when I get home, yes. For now, you could look at the debian docs. try to dpkg-source -x package.dsc file, check out the files in debian/ and try to undestand them. the debian new maintainer guide should have all information you need (though it may be quite a big lecture ;))
[01:11] <lesliev> I am half-way with the maint guide. It tells you to read a whole lot more docs. I'll read more tonight.
[01:12] <siretart> you don't need to understand everything in the docs. they are more a reference than a tutorial or howto. but its good to know where to look if necessary
[01:12] <siretart> perhaps I should write a wikipage PackageModificationHowto..
[01:13] <lesliev> YAY!
[01:14] <lesliev> I got stuck where you add files to a package - I ran debuild and it complained about that
[01:14] <\sh> lesliev: don't worry about it :) next year I want to visit again ZA...so I will take some with me then :)
[01:15] <lesliev> sh: ok ;-)
[01:16] <lesliev> If you modify files I think it builds a diff package, but you can't add files
[01:16] <ogra> lesliev, you can....
[01:17] <ogra> lesliev, they way is just not easy or obvious
[01:20] <\sh> hmmm..why has patrick his ubuntu cds and I don't have mine :(
[01:22] <lesliev> well *that* needs to be in some doc
[01:23] <lesliev> In fact, a usefule package modder's howto will need to include "making a new package", "changing and submitting a package" and, if different, "adding to an submitting a package"
[01:25] <lesliev> Also: "repackaging an rpm" would be nice
[01:26] <siretart> lesliev: perhaps you could provide a very raw template page, with the structure of the you would expect. I could then fill information and references where to look
[01:26] <\sh> lesliev: adding to a package is done via upstream normally ;)
[01:26] <siretart> lesliev: you can convert .rpms to .deb with alien
[01:26] <lesliev> But not always - .desktop file case in point
[01:26] <\sh> lesliev: oh...those things are easy
[01:27] <lesliev> Alien works but you still need to play with things to make a proper deb package
[01:27] <lesliev> I'll do the template, good idea. Where in the wiki should I put it?
[01:31] <lesliev> Alien doesn't seem to do dependencies properly. I suppose it can't.
[01:31] <lesliev> It also seems to trip up on install scripts a bit
[01:31] <siretart> lesliev: I would suggest under "MOTU" - Useful Links for MOTU's
[01:32] <lesliev> ok, I'll start the page over the weekend
[01:32] <siretart> no, alien cannot consider dependencies correctly. you would have to repackage it to do it properly.
[01:32] <siretart> great! :)
[01:50] <tivek> hi all... sorry to if I'm barging in. I have a question about the gpib packages...
[02:01] <Lathiat> How can I find out why libnss-mdns isn't being synced from sid?
[02:02] <tseng> is there a thing for it in ~scott?
[02:02] <Lathiat> nope
[02:02] <Lathiat> if you mean people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/
[02:02] <tseng> yes
[02:02] <Lathiat> nerp
[02:06] <Lathiat> tseng: so who do i ask?
[02:07] <tseng> elmo.
[02:07] <tseng> erm just ask him and he will respond later
[02:18] <elmo> eh, it's not being auto-synced because the version has 'ubuntu' in it
[02:20] <Lathiat> elmo: yeh i discovered the story
[02:20] <Lathiat> jeff packaged it
[02:20] <Lathiat> someone took that,  packaged it for debian
[02:20] <Lathiat> and jeff hasnt updated it
[02:21] <tseng> thats because jeff isnt a packager
[02:21] <tseng> he just likes to pretend
[02:21] <tseng> :D
[02:21] <Lathiat> ;p
[02:47] <\sh> fixing packages
[02:58] <lesliev> gotta go: ;-)
[03:03] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:15] <\sh> ivoks: your openscenegraph is passed :)
[03:16] <ivoks> i know :)
[03:16] <ivoks> thanx
[03:24] <ivoks> nice... whole mobile network collapsed
[03:24] <ivoks> fscking A1 :(
[03:58] <ivoks> yay!
[03:58] <ivoks> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 98909 2005-06-16 17:20 /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h
[04:34] <ivoks> hm... if fedora allready did release based on gcc/g++4
[04:34] <ivoks> then they are loaded with patches :)
[04:52] <ivoks> yuhu! blender compiled with gcc4, builded on i386
[05:14] <ivoks> hi crimsun
[05:16] <lesliev> ivoks: did you have to tweak it?
[05:19] <ivoks> lesliev: i patched it
[05:19] <ivoks> fedora has that simple patch for it
[05:19] <ivoks> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-extras-commits/2005-May/msg01024.html
[05:19] <ivoks> oneliner
[05:27] <lesliev> ah
[05:27] <lesliev> good!
[05:28] <\sh> re
[05:50] <\sh> anyone with a ppc machine?
[05:57] <ivoks> mope
[05:57] <ivoks> nope
[06:20] <jamessan|work> \sh: I have one at home
[06:20] <\sh> jamessan|work: could u do me a favour?
[06:21] <\sh> jamessan|work: get this hdf5 source package and try to build it from source for breezy
[06:21] <jamessan|work> I can try that when I get home (in about 4 hours)
[06:22] <\sh> would be very kind of u :)
[06:22] <jamessan|work> lunch time
[06:22] <\sh> so..and now I go and have a shower...and after that...going to an irish pub named jamessons :)
[06:35] <siretart> hi folks
[06:36] <siretart> I'm trying to fix sfs in breezy. I located the problem, /usr/bin/rpcgen does not create sourcefiles for consumption with gcc-4 :/
[06:36] <siretart> how should I proceed?
[07:26] <pef> hello !
[07:36] <pef> Within few words, how can I help you ?
[07:37] <ivoks> ?
[07:38] <siretart> HA!
[07:38] <siretart> it is an own, buggy rpc generator, and I think I located the bug
[08:25] <bradb> have any of you guys entered malone via https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone ?
[08:26] <bradb> just wondering if anyone has, and could describe to me a bit what they thought about the process of going from /malone to getting to the right place to search and report bugs on a thing
[08:28] <Lathiat> bradb: well, for a start, theres no clear starting point for a search
[08:28] <Lathiat> instead i have 2 half-search options (distro, assigned)
[08:29] <Lathiat> after clicking down the distro line i learn i can search from there, but thats not entirely obvious,and what if i want to search among alldistros?
[08:30] <Lathiat> bradb: also doing an advanced search cuasesa system error. ;)
[08:31] <bradb> Lathiat: it does indeed. i have a fix for that that just needs to be rolled out
[08:31] <bradb> Lathiat: interesting points about /malone. i feel the same way.
[08:31] <Lathiat> the 2 options that are there arent so bad,but there should be a clear "search" option
[08:31] <bradb> Lathiat: when you come to /malone, what are you expecting to do?
[08:32] <Lathiat> bradb: search for my bug to see if its already reported
[08:32] <tseng> when i come there i am expecting to click something like My Bugs and see the listing
[08:33] <tseng> which works, but the wording of it seems odd
[08:33] <bradb> like bugzilla eh
[08:33] <tseng> #
[08:33] <tseng> # Assigned Bug Reports - retrieve reports on bugs assigned to a specific person
[08:34] <Lathiat> also under file bug, it says something about "CCmanually" if its a private bug, but theres no option on that page or CCing and thebutton says 'Add' which indicates to me that thats the last step
[08:34] <tseng> i almost always want bugs assigned to *me*
[08:34] <tseng> which is what it gives you
[08:34] <tseng> but the wording is small
[08:34] <Lathiat> yeh that page shows yours by default
[08:34] <Lathiat> with a search
[08:34] <Lathiat> that should be worded better
[08:34] <Lathiat> the actual interface seems to be pretty cool tho
[08:35] <tseng> "If you're not sure, start here."
[08:35] <tseng> this is almost certainly wrong for "file a bug"
[08:35] <Lathiat> yeh you should be searching
[08:35] <tseng> in an ideal world everyone will search first thing
[08:36] <Lathiat> perhaps enter the package nameand view recent reports,or popular reports
[08:36] <tseng> both would be useful
[08:36] <Lathiat> with the option to search further
[08:37] <Lathiat> also when i login i specify<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:37] <Lathiat> but i seem indications about 'lathiat'
[08:37] <Lathiat> like on the mybugs page, the deault assignee is 'lathiat'
[08:37] <bradb> ah, yes
[08:38] <tseng> ah we have a motu group now
[08:40] <bradb> what about, say, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs ? what are your thoughts on that page?
[08:40] <tseng> oh wow
[08:40] <tseng> hang on
[08:40] <tseng> i did view distro bugs, right
[08:40] <tseng> it shows me a big list
[08:40] <tseng> i see a bug that belongs to me, and click it
[08:41] <tseng> i have NFC how to assign it to myself
[08:41] <tseng> do i "subscribe"?
[08:41] <Lathiat> or "edit bug details"
[08:41] <bradb> that's really confusing, indeed
[08:41] <tseng> edit bug doesnt help
[08:42] <bradb> i'd say the same thing if i were you guys ;)
[08:42] <Lathiat> hehe
[08:42] <tseng> can i get a clue? :P
[08:43] <tseng> bradb: but dude i like that second view much better
[08:43] <Lathiat> like, people could mess with bugs,and updates really shouldbe in comments no?
[08:43] <tseng> bradb: as a maintainer
[08:43] <bradb> tseng: gimme an example bug and let's walk through it
[08:43] <tseng> 1028
[08:43] <bradb> or rather, you walk me through it
[08:43] <bradb> ok, 1028
[08:43] <tseng> ok, i told you how i got here
[08:43] <tseng> from there I clicked edit bug
[08:43] <tseng> and am now "stuck"
[08:44] <bradb> tseng: look at the "Needs fixing in..." part of the page
[08:44] <tseng> see it
[08:45] <bradb> tseng: talk to me about that part of the page
[08:45] <tseng> ok so its not obvious to me that that part of the page has an "action"
[08:45] <tseng> all the actions are, obviously, in the action bar
[08:46] <tseng> assigning a bug is a common action i would want to do
[08:47] <tseng> the link "ubuntu tomboy" in no way suggests to me that its the way to assign it to myself :)
[08:47] <bradb> me neither :P
[08:47] <tseng> once you tip me off to that
[08:47] <tseng> putting my name in the right box is simple enough
[08:48] <tseng> but saving changes should put me back on the bug
[08:48] <tseng> not drop me back on the edit page
[08:49] <tseng> actually, usability wise im not even sure *how* to get back now
[08:49] <tseng> clicking 1028 on the breadcrumb goes back to the page im on again
[08:49] <bradb> it's confusing yes, because there's no link back to the other page
[08:50] <tseng> exactly
[08:50] <tseng> using browser back is broken to the average user
[08:50] <bradb> i'm creating a branch right now to make some usability improvements to that page
[08:50] <tseng> great :D
[08:51] <tseng> one problem with usability testing and geeks is.. now that i know how to assign, it will seem like less and less of a problem as time passes
[08:51] <tseng> i imagine thats where you guys are at looking at this thing every day
[08:52] <bradb> tseng: imagine how difficult it is for /me/ to understand what goes through the heads of non-Malone maintainers when they use Malone :P
[08:52] <tseng> i can :)
[08:52] <bradb> that's why feedback like this is so intriguing and informative
[08:52] <tseng> ok so i hit back to 1028, and then tried Bugs from the breadcrumb
[08:53] <tseng> system error, dunno if you can reproduce it
[08:53] <bradb> i can reproduce it
[08:54] <tseng> ok now i went to bug 1035
[08:54] <tseng> it belongs to me also.
[08:54] <tseng> the first report (summary?) has a ton of debugging output
[08:54] <tseng> that little Needs fixing in box isnt even visible
[08:55] <tseng> untill i scroll way down
[08:56] <tseng> im going to go back and close 1028 now
[08:56] <tseng> my first thought is still in the Actions menu
[08:56] <tseng> but now i know better
[08:56] <tseng> in fact, the actions menu doesnt seem terribly useful
[08:57] <tseng> for my use cases so far
[08:58] <bradb> (note: i filed the /malone/bugs bug as 1069)
[08:59] <tseng> cheers
[08:59] <bradb> tseng: interesting note, that, about the actions portlet not seeming useful for your use cases thus far
[08:59] <tseng> i was expecting
[09:00] <tseng> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs this
[09:00] <tseng> bradb: i would probably Subscribe to bugs (this is like bugzilla CC?) and mark as duplicate
[09:00] <tseng> edit bug to change bad titles
[09:00] <tseng> but some of the other ones i dont even have a guess what they do
[09:01] <tseng> "infestation"
[09:01] <tseng> i know what CVE is, most people dont
[09:01] <bradb> infestations are all our fault
[09:01] <tseng> and web link
[09:01] <tseng> I can put in a comment or summary
[09:02] <tseng> activity log
[09:02] <tseng> on bugzilla, pretty much any change is reflected with a comment
[09:03] <tseng> this might be wrong, but im acustomed to it and having two pages tracking one bug doesnt compute
[09:04] <bradb> that is a fascinating problem for us to solve. really.
[09:04] <bradb> how to model the fact that one bug can appear in many different places, and do so in a way that non-Malone maintainers (like, say, my grandmother) could make some sense of
[09:04] <tseng> basically if i want to change status (close) a bug in bz, i *have* to leave a comment
[09:04] <tseng> like "closing bug, fixed in cvs"
[09:05] <tseng> if i reopen a bug, it doesnt
[09:05] <tseng> so im sort of left to wonder, who/when reopened this
[09:05] <tseng> if i dont read the automated mail, that is
[09:06] <tseng> so bz isnt perfect either :P
[09:06] <bradb> heh
[09:08] <tseng> would it be bad to inline comments from multiple bugs?
[09:08] <tseng> like Comment #1 from Malone
[09:08] <tseng> Comment #2 imported from DBS
[09:09] <tseng> i guess that would get confusing inline
[09:09] <tseng> they could be seperated
[09:09] <bradb> we'll be doing that with the debbugs sync, to the best of my knowledge
[09:09] <tseng> so status changes in DBS could generate a comment on the malone page?
[09:10] <bradb> the debbugs db would be synched periodically
[09:10] <bradb> s/would be/will fairly soon be/
[09:11] <tseng> hm
[09:11] <tseng> debugs i find much more baffling than malone
[09:12] <bradb> email interfaces are hard to design well, it would seem. we have one now for Malone.
[09:17] <bradb> tseng: anything else you wanted to talk about re: the screens we've just been discussing?
[09:17] <tseng> i just CC'd myself on 1069
[09:17] <tseng> and it pretty much went as expected
[09:17] <tseng> thumbs up on that, besides it being in two places
[09:18] <tseng> (actions and people)
[09:18] <tseng> i have no idea what an infestation is
[09:18] <tseng> but i feel victimized
[09:18] <bradb> heh. i think i'll remove that.
[09:19] <tseng> fun words :)
[09:19] <tseng> yeah if you could clean up actions and put some stuff im more likely to use in there..
[09:19] <tseng> it would be alot more obvious
[09:19] <tseng> the biggest thing that isnt clear is edit bugs vs needs fixing in
[09:20] <tseng> im used to it being one task
[09:20] <tseng> and actually all on the main page
[09:20] <tseng> not that it should be
[09:21] <tseng> i think thats it from me
[09:22] <bradb> ok, thanks, this has been a thoroughly productive conversation.
[09:22] <tseng> great
[09:23] <tseng> oh
[09:23] <tseng> is there a way to say all bugs against a certain package should get assigned to me
[09:24] <bradb> not yet, but you're one of many who's asked about it, which suggests that we should try to address that soon.
[09:24] <bradb> i'll file a bug on that right now too, if there isn't one already
[09:24] <tseng> k
[09:29] <bradb> 1070
[09:31] <tseng> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1070
[09:31] <tseng> looking at that
[09:31] <tseng> it has the same text posted 3 times
[09:35] <bradb> i think mark has a fix on the way for this, so that a summary (the thing shown in bold at the top) isn't created from the description by default
[09:35] <bradb> and thus, that bold-fu would be gone
[09:35] <tseng> k.
[10:07] <ivoks> anyone else has problems with X in breezy?
[10:07] <HiddenWolf> aside from X being X? ;)
[10:08] <ivoks> :)
[10:08] <ivoks> it was ok untill last update
[10:08] <ivoks> now it configures my keyboard as 101 keys, us
[10:08] <ivoks> not 105
[10:09] <tseng> you didnt need the other 4 anyway
[10:09] <ivoks> i did :)
[10:09] <ivoks> i use windows key all the time
[10:12] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[10:12] <tritium> hey there bddebian :)
[10:58] <jamessan> \sh: I blame you for making my laptop lock up and reboot  :p
[11:08] <siretart> GNAAARF!
[11:08] <siretart> got sfs to compile with gcc-4.0, now I have amd64 issues.. GNARF
[11:10] <siretart> WAAAH: dataPtr *dp = new dataPtr; (*cb)((int)dp);
[11:12] <jamessan> heh
[11:12] <schweeb> hey all
[11:17] <siretart> any c++ gurus available?
[11:17] <siretart> how comes that with gcc-3.3 the following is 'just' an warning:
[11:18] <siretart> In member function `void
[11:18] <siretart>    dataNode::GC_cb_reinsertDone(node*, dataPtr*, ref<callback<void, void, void,
[11:18] <siretart>    void> >, char, int)':
[11:18] <siretart> /build/buildd/sfs-0.8-0+pre20041016.1/adb/dataNode.C:454: warning: cast to
[11:18] <siretart>    pointer from integer of different size
[11:18] <siretart> I'm trying to transition it to gcc-4, and I'm getting an error there
[11:33] <siretart> anyone awake? ;)
[11:41] <lesliev> I am :)
[11:42] <siretart> ah, hi lesliev :)
[11:44] <siretart> I'm at your package right now, btw ;)
[11:44] <lesliev> ok!
[11:44] <lesliev> seems extremely risky to cast integers to pointers
[11:45] <siretart> lesliev: it is
[11:45] <lesliev> Is that line 454? dataPtr *dp = new dataPtr; (*cb)((int)dp);
[11:45] <siretart> lesliev: I have it written here: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11940
[11:46] <siretart> lesliev: it clearly needs porting work. it would be best if upstream would handle it.
[11:47] <lesliev> yes, you are right
[11:47] <lesliev> have you used sfs?
[11:47] <lesliev> It looks very interesting, I didn't know there was a secure nfs
[11:47] <siretart> nope. but it is in the libraryCxxTransition list
[11:47] <siretart> jupp
[11:48] <siretart> the source looks mostly clean
[11:49] <lesliev> Oh, I will send the sopwith stuff on to upstream too. I plan to help with as many as the .desktop files as I can.
[11:49] <lesliev> I think it's very important
[11:49] <siretart> great! :)
[11:50] <lesliev> Do you know how the system files the menu entries? How does it determine where in the menu to put an app?
[11:51] <siretart> I'm sorry, I didn't get this, too
[11:52] <lesliev> k
[11:52] <lesliev> I'll ask on the list
[12:01] <lesliev> siretart: how do you co-ordinate the Cxx list? Have a number of apps been assigned to you?