[09:10] <owner> hatake but ubuntu is so much nicer than debian since its more updated
[09:10] <owner> for desktops at least
[09:10] <hatake_kakashi> robinl1: SuSE uses rpm, kubuntu based off debian uses deb
[09:10] <owner> i want to try supersuse
[09:10] <robinl1> ok
[09:10] <owner> or arch linux
[09:10] <owner> but i will dual boot
[09:11] <robinl1> well...
[09:11] <robinl1> where to get kubuntu?
[09:11] <hatake_kakashi> owner: hence its not that desktop friendly unless if you really want to try it out.. and that's what I'm thinking of one day
[09:11] <[Vampis] > Hm, I'm thinking of trying SUSE
[09:11] <robinl1> i already HAVE an ubuntu disk
[09:11] <EIghtiesK> debian is older u say meaning not as many feat.?
[09:11] <[Vampis] > !kubuntu
[09:11] <ubotu> I guess kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE, (not a fork) ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[09:11] <hatake_kakashi> robinl1: website
[09:11] <[Vampis] > There u can get it
[09:11] <EIghtiesK> i can'
[09:11] <EIghtiesK> can't get suse to work for me
[09:11] <robinl1> already have an ubuntu disk, installation with that possible?
[09:11] <[Vampis] > Wich SUSE version is the free one ?
[09:11] <robinl1> also, i want to keep my windows install
[09:11] <owner> yes robin
[09:11] <EIghtiesK> open suse.org
[09:11] <robinl1> owner: ok how?
[09:11] <hatake_kakashi> robinl1: that makes it ubuntu unless if you get the kde packages, that's extra :p
[09:12] <owner> you just sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:12] <EIghtiesK> owner: do you have an IM?
[09:12] <robinl1> but then you keep all the GNOME stuff
[09:12] <owner> i dont think i can because im not registered
[09:12] <hatake_kakashi> robinl1: you can dual boot, windows first installed, and let linux do its grub magic :p
[09:12] <cenobyte> this is way over my head
[09:12] <cenobyte> mepis was so much easier
[09:12] <EIghtiesK> owner: i mean like aim or yahoo.
[09:12] <cenobyte> doesnt kubuntu have qtparted
[09:12] <hatake_kakashi> robinl1: or you can remove it manually.. or you might as well get kubuntu :P
[09:12] <robinl1> i will go get kubuntu x
[09:12] <robinl1> D]
[09:12] <robinl1> wtf
[09:12] <robinl1> damn smiley
[09:12] <robinl1> :o
[09:12] <[Vampis] > EIghtiesK: eeh ?
[09:13] <[Vampis] > http://www.novell.com/linux/suse/
[09:13] <owner> yahoo id lie.detector
[09:13] <EIghtiesK> huh?
[09:13] <[Vampis] > suse.org isnt a real page
[09:13] <owner> thats my yahoo id
[09:14] <EIghtiesK> opensuse.org
[09:15] <robinl1> HARDCORE FOR BREAKFAST
[09:15] <robinl1> xD
[09:15] <[Vampis] > 5 cd's holy sh*t
[09:16] <EIghtiesK> ya
[09:17] <[Vampis] > *Sticking to Kubuntu* :P
[09:17] <cenobyte> its not even showing up in gparted
[09:17] <[Vampis] > I'm trying to convert my fatherinlaw to use linux instead of winblows ;)
[09:17] <cenobyte> can i just format the entire partition on the slave and start fresh
[09:19] <EIghtiesK> theres no driver for my all in one in windows.
[09:19] <EIghtiesK> i mean in linux
[09:19] <EIghtiesK> thats why i still have windows.
[09:19] <hatake_kakashi> drivers == modules :P
[09:20] <[Vampis] > ;)
[09:20] <hatake_kakashi> unless you specifically compiled it into kernel, otherwise its there as a module
[09:40] <howcomes> Is Konversation multi-server ?
[09:41] <[Vampis] > LOL
[09:41] <[Vampis] > i'm watching "The IT Crowd" now, damn good :D
[09:50] <robinl1> does anybody know how to get voice recognition?
[09:53] <Hobbsee> howcomes: yep
[10:30] <egonw> anyone who knows the status of the broken kword build? last thing I heard was that new packages were being build... but cannot apt-get any updates yet...
[10:35] <Riddell> egonw: broken?
[10:35] <Riddell> I can't make new packages until I get access to a fast i386 machine with sudo
[10:35] <egonw> well... indeed, broken is a bug word...
[10:36] <egonw> --enable-final thingy...
[10:37] <egonw> Riddell: can't give you access to such a machine, but I could make debs...
[10:37] <egonw> but then there's the thing of trust...
[10:37] <Riddell> yeah, I can't accept debs from other people
[10:37] <egonw> sure, I understand...
[10:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you need me to build the kword packages?  this is an i386 machine...
[10:43] <egonw> Hobbsee: apparently no i386 debs have been made yet for the KOffice 1.5 beta which work around the red-blue color thingy..
[10:44] <Hobbsee> right
[10:55] <_robin> hi, how to make kaffeine play video files like MPEG and WMV?
[10:58] <_robin> hi, how to make kaffeine play video files like MPEG and WMV?
[11:00] <Riddell> !restricted
[11:00] <ubotu> restricted is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats  Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[11:03] <_robin> !FreeFormats
[11:03] <ubotu> hmm... freeformats is There are a large number of Free Formats which are preferred over patent and copyright encumbered formats. They are listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeFormats
[11:05] <_robin> Riddell: but that's about Ubuntu and Totem, not about Kaffeine
[11:05] <Riddell> they all use gstreamer
[11:05] <Riddell> or use the kaffine-xine plugin
[11:05] <Riddell> feel free to edit the wiki page to make it more kubuntu friendly
[11:06] <hatake_kakashi> anyone tried transferring data onto their USB caddy? usb1.1
[11:13] <_robin> damn, kaffeine still gives weird errors
[11:23] <_robin> damn, kaffeine still gives weird errors
[11:23] <_robin> smtp.xs4all.nl
[11:23] <_robin> errr
[11:23] <_robin> gstffmpegdec.c(527): gst_ffmpegdec_get_buffer: /internal_thread/decoder/ffdec_mpeg44:
[11:23] <_robin> Failed to link ffmpeg decoder to next element
[11:25] <Riddell> _robin: use the xine plugin then
[11:29] <_robin> how?
[11:30] <_robin> Riddell: how?
[11:30] <egonw> download the package kaffeine-xine
[11:30] <Riddell> settings->plugin->kaffine  or something
[11:31] <egonw> settings->player engine
[11:31] <egonw> but that actually does not list xine
[11:33] <egonw> settings->player engine->kaffeine == kaffeine-xine
[11:43] <mae> ls
[11:46] <[Vampis] > are the win32 codecs suppose to be placed in /usr/lib/w32codec or /usr/bin/win32codec ?
[11:48] <nalioth> [Vampis] : mplayerhq.hu will tell you where to put them
[11:48] <nalioth> [Vampis] : you should use the deb
[11:48] <nalioth> [Vampis] : and not worry about such things
[11:56] <_robin> okay, that works
[11:57] <[Vampis] >  nalioth , thx
[11:57] <nalioth> [Vampis] : np
[11:58] <[Vampis] > ppl are nicer here then in the Swe channel :P
[11:58] <nalioth> "Swe channel" ?
[11:58] <[Vampis] > swedish channel
[11:59] <nalioth> ah
[12:05] <Phazeman> does anybody know how to change the KDE key bindings ? like ALT+LeftClick ? right now it moves the window but i need this exact combination for something else.
[12:06] <Hobbsee> Phazeman: in kcontrol...
[12:06] <Hobbsee> search for shortcuts
[12:06] <Hobbsee> think my brain just died - keyboard shortcuts is the one you want
[12:07] <Phazeman> yeah :)
[12:07] <Phazeman> thanks found it
[12:52] <[Vampis] > :)
[12:59] <weedar> Just installed apache2, but it points to /var/www and I want it to use /var/www/apache2-default as the DocumentRoot, any tips?
[01:00] <ubijtsa> weedar: there is a line in the default vhost conf file you can comment out
[01:00] <weedar> I've tried adding DocumentRoot "/var/www/apache2-default" to the /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and then restart apache, but alas it doesn't work
[01:00] <ubijtsa> in /etc/apache2 you have a dir, hosts-available something
[01:01] <ubijtsa> there is a file 'default' in there, and there is a comment just above the line you need to uncomment
[01:02] <weedar> Excellent ubijtsa, thanks!
[01:02] <weedar> The people in #apache didn't know what I did wrong, and #ubuntu wasn't helpful at all as usual. For some reason this channel is the creme de la creme of helpful people :)
[01:02] <ubijtsa> weedar: hehehe
[01:03] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:03] <Hobbsee> hi again weedar
[01:03] <weedar> Good morning Hobbsee :)
[01:03] <Hobbsee> evening :_
[01:03] <Hobbsee> *:)
[01:03] <ubijtsa> I've recently tinkered extensively with apache2 recently, hence why I knew off the bat
[01:03] <ubijtsa> -recently
[01:04] <weedar> I actually should have known that myself, I seem to recall having to fix the exact same thing on a debian machine 6 months ago
[01:04] <ubijtsa> i've gone the mod_perl2 path, so hacking up a site in perl
[01:04] <ubijtsa> trying to get my head around the Template Toolkit a.t.m.
[01:05] <weedar> I have a php-class in school this semester, so I'm basically just doing it for that. But I plan on creating a movieDB-clone in php and put it on my debian machine
[01:05] <ubijtsa> using php4 or php5 ?
[01:05] <weedar> I installed php5, although the course itself only requires php4
[01:06] <ubijtsa> might as well get experience on php5 if not mission critical :)
[01:06] <weedar> I hope I got it right, followed a guide from the ubuntu-site..Guess I'll soon find out :)
[01:06] <ubijtsa> hehe
[01:06] <weedar> Yeah I'm thinking there's no reason post-poning getting to know php5
[01:06] <weedar> I didn't install mysql5, though..Not sure if that was a dumb move
[01:07] <ubijtsa> working even
[01:08] <ubijtsa> was extra awkward when I decided I wanted the DVI-D port to be the primary screen
[01:08] <weedar> What was the solution?
[01:09] <ubijtsa> there is an option to the i810 module that allows you to flip PIPEA and PIPEB around..
[01:09] <ubijtsa> then you have to tell it that you have a DFP on PIPEA and a CRT on PIPEB
[01:10] <ubijtsa> and you _have_ to use CLONE mode even if you want Xinerama, or the gfx card locks up
[01:10] <[Vampis] > hm, it's to bad u can only use one kweatherapplet @ the time
[01:10] <ubijtsa> ruddy intel crappo gfx cards..
[01:10] <weedar> Heh, my graphics adapter is buggy, last time I tried to use the nvidia-drivers my computer froze so I can't use tv-out or 3d at all :/
[01:11] <ubijtsa> which GF card is it?
[01:11] <Phazeman> hi people. i've been using firefox without noticing i have a very old (1.0.7) version of it !!! and i can't see apt-cach finds a 1.5.1 version in my sources. can someone please suggest ?
[01:11] <Hobbsee> !firefox1.5
[01:11] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[01:11] <weedar> uhm, Gainward Geforce
[01:11] <ilba7r> ubijtsa, setting dual monitor turned out to be a breezy on my ati
[01:11] <Phazeman> thanks Hobbsee !!!
[01:12] <Hobbsee> no problems :)
[01:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:12] <ubijtsa> ilba7r: I didn't have a proper DVI-D cable at install time..
[01:12] <ilba7r> ubijtsa, i had to set it later
[01:13] <weedar> I think the reason it freezes is because the card is broken somehow. I had to replace the previous one because the tv-out function was broken (tried it in windows also), it's a cheap card
[01:13] <ubijtsa> the DVI-D port on the 82915G in the GX280 is digital only, converter to 15-pin VGA does not work
[01:13] <weedar> I'd go back and replace it again if I had the receipt, but..
[01:13] <ubijtsa> weedar: I have a GF5950U that I will install later :)
[01:14] <weedar> So that means I can have your old graphics adapter? ;P
[01:14] <ubijtsa> I will put up a miniHOWTO for the GX280 once I get my site working..
[01:14] <ubijtsa> weedar: the 'old' one I am using now is a Radeon 9200SE
[01:15] <ubijtsa> alright, but nothing fancy..
[01:15] <weedar> Oh I could take that off your hands, I'd even do it for free
[01:15] <ubijtsa> *looool*
[01:15] <ubijtsa> I bet you could :)
[01:16] <weedar> Yeah I plan to set up lots of howtos when I get my site up, basically explaining how to get all the hardware I have working in kubuntu. Not only for other people, but for myself in case I have to reinstall :)
[01:16] <Hobbsee> ubijtsa: why not put it on the wiki, or on ubuntuforums.org in the howto section?
[01:16] <ubijtsa> Hobbsee: might well do that :)
[01:16] <Hobbsee> be more useful that way
[01:16] <ubijtsa> aye
[01:16] <robotgeek> weedar: yeah, put it on the wiki :)
[01:16] <ubijtsa> anyone else running kde351 ?
[01:17] <weedar> For example, my logitech desktop microhpone - all it needs to get working is to "modprobe audio" and up it goes, but it's not actually easy to find out that is the right thing to do
[01:17] <Hobbsee> ubijtsa: yeah
[01:17] <Hobbsee> on dapper but
[01:17] <robotgeek> weedar: you can add it to an existing category as a tip (sound issues)
[01:17] <weedar> robotgeek, hm.. I might actually do that :)
[01:17] <ubijtsa> found any problems with the xkb settings in System Settings ?
[01:18] <Hobbsee> the whatsit in system settings?
[01:18] <ubijtsa> where you can set up keyboard layouts..
[01:19] <weedar> robotgeek, for example on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation under Sound & Misc?
[01:19] <ubijtsa> if you want us and uk layout and be able to flip between them
[01:19] <Hobbsee> not tried it
[01:20] <weedar> The main thing keeping me from adding to the wiki is I don't want to mess it up
[01:20] <robotgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[01:20] <ubijtsa> System Settings, under System Administration, Regional & Accessability
[01:20] <robotgeek> weedar: knock yourself out, we can always revert back if you mess up
[01:20] <Hobbsee> yep, found that - not sure about *problems* wiht it
[01:20] <che_benway> hi all. trying to set up my digicam on kubuntu. any idea where i can find drivers? JVC camera
[01:20] <ubijtsa> If you select Keyboard Layout
[01:20] <robotgeek> che_benway: doesn't plugging it in not work?
[01:21] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: is there any particular reason why firefox 1.5.X won't be in the repositories ? is it the license ?
[01:21] <ubijtsa> then tick Enable keyboard layouts
[01:21] <robotgeek> Phazeman: on dapper, yes
[01:21] <Phazeman> ahhh
[01:21] <Phazeman> ok
[01:21] <ubijtsa> I get no choises at all
[01:21] <Phazeman> will wait for dapper then :)
[01:21] <Phazeman> thanks robotgeek
[01:21] <robotgeek> Phazeman: it's just too much work for breezy
[01:21] <Phazeman> GREAT DISTRO !!!!
[01:21] <robotgeek> Phazeman, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[01:21] <robotgeek> you can still used firefox 1.5 :)
[01:21] <Phazeman> yeah figured it out already
[01:21] <che_benway> #robotgeek no
[01:22] <ubijtsa> in kde 350 I could set up dvorak as per normal, and 'ru' as my alternative
[01:22] <che_benway> robotgeek: does not recognise the camera
[01:22] <ubijtsa> in kde 351, no go, have to use the command line to set it
[01:22] <allan> Kubuntu doesn't seem to have kdegraphics and kdevelop packaged right; they won't update to 3.5.1. Why is this happening and how can I fix it?
[01:22] <robotgeek> che_benway: hmm, okay. i would suggest you do a "dmesg | tail" and see if it tells you more
[01:22] <Hobbsee> Phazeman: they're thinking of a backport for breezy, but they have trouble with ubuntu-desktop depending on it, etc - there's a thread at ubuntuforums.org about it, in backports section.  It's already in dapper - seems to be ok, although it gets upgraded a lot
[01:23] <ubijtsa> allan: maybe dependencies prevents them from updating
[01:23] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: i see
[01:23] <allan> ubijtsa: the error messages look like that, but I have no idea
[01:23] <Hobbsee> ubijtsa: paste the error messages?
[01:24] <Hobbsee> !pastebin
[01:24] <ubotu> from memory, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[01:24] <allan> kdegraphics:
[01:24] <allan>   Depends: kdegraphics-kfile-plugins (>=4:3.5.1-0ubuntu0breezy1) but 4:3.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy1.4 is to be installed
[01:25] <ubijtsa> Hobbsee: I get no errors, just a qwerty layout if I enable keyboard layouts in KDE..
[01:25] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[01:25] <Phazeman> damn i love this distro :) it just works :)
[01:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do you know why allan is getting this problem?
[01:25] <ubijtsa> my xorg.conf is set to dvorak
[01:26] <allan> kdegraphics-kfile-plugins:
[01:26] <allan>  Depends: libpoppler0c2-qt but it is not going to be installed
[01:26] <ubijtsa> aah, that rings a bell, I got stuck on libpoppler as well and gave up..
[01:26] <allan> libpoppler0c2-qt isn't in my package list
[01:27] <allan> kdevelop3-data:
[01:27] <allan>   Depends: kdevelop3 (=4:3.3.1-0ubuntu0breezy1) but 4:3.3.0-0ubuntu0breezy1 is to be installed
[01:28] <allan> kdevelop3 is in there, but not for updating
[01:28] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: is thunderbird under same solution as firefox ? or the newest already in breezy ?
[01:28] <Riddell> allan: what platform, what kubuntu version, what archive
[01:29] <Hobbsee> Phazeman: same solution, tb1.5 is in dapper as well
[01:29] <ubijtsa> Riddell: I sent you a mail, apologies if you are not the correct recipient..
[01:29] <allan> Platform: Huh? Version: I have Ubuntu; later I installed KDE. I think Breezy. Archive: Huh?
[01:29] <Phazeman> !thunderbird
[01:29] <ubotu> I heard thunderbird is a FOSS email client, capable of close cooperation with Firefox, both by the Mozilla Foundation.  To make your thunderbird links open in firefox, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=60427
[01:29] <Hobbsee> wiki.ubuntu.com/ThunderbirdNewVersion
[01:29] <trollig> Phazeman: but tb1.5 has still some unmet dependencies like enigmail
[01:29] <ubijtsa> allan: platform, is it i386, amd64 or ppc?
[01:29] <allan> amd64
[01:30] <trollig> Phazeman: at least on amd64
[01:30] <Phazeman> so you suggest using kmail for a while trollig  ? i'm kinda used to thunderbird
[01:30] <Phazeman> ahh.. i;m on i386
[01:30] <ubijtsa> allan: archive, are you using the kde351 or kde35 repository of kubuntu.org ?
[01:30] <Phazeman> i will try
[01:30] <allan> both
[01:30] <Riddell> allan: where are you trying to install packages from?
[01:30] <allan> synaptic
[01:30] <ubijtsa> I can concur that same problems are there for i386
[01:30] <trollig> Phazeman: no, not suggesting I use tb1.0.7
[01:31] <trollig> and kmail
[01:31] <allan> I use the kubuntu repositories
[01:31] <trollig> depending on what machine I am
[01:31] <trollig> I love imap :-)
[01:32] <Riddell> allan: which repository?
[01:32] <Riddell> allan: do you have universe enabled?
[01:32] <allan> yes
[01:32] <allan> For the repository; both 3.5 and 3.5.1 are in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:33] <Hobbsee> trollig: ah yes, remind me why i use dapper again lol?
[01:33] <Hobbsee> trollig: you mean you cant have 1.0.7 and 1.5 installed at the same time?  i thought you could, and modify the symlink
[01:33] <Hobbsee> so you dont get the dependancy issues
[01:33] <ubijtsa> Riddell / allan: I see same problems, but on i386.
[01:34] <trollig> Hobbsee: I don't have that much time :-) I stick with what's working
[01:34] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:34] <Hobbsee> dapper works - most of the time - to varying degrees :P
[01:34] <Hobbsee> sometimes it really fubars though...
[01:35] <trollig> it works mostly fine. I just have to get used to that new network config stuff
[01:35] <allan> Where's another room I could find help in? I don't think I'm getting far here.
[01:35] <ilba7r> alan ubuntu
[01:35] <Hobbsee> you could try #ubuntu, which has more people - but they might refer you back to here
[01:36] <[Vampis] > kik
[01:36] <[Vampis] > lol *
[01:36] <trollig> That's a bit too much _just working out of the box_ for my tast already
[01:36] <allan> Bye
[01:36] <[Vampis] > bureaucracy
[01:36] <[Vampis] > ;)
[01:36] <ubijtsa> allan: please be patient..
[01:36] <tsdgeos> hi, can kubuntu be installed from the internet?
[01:36] <Riddell> allan: I'll investigate it
[01:37] <allan> I'm still here, just also on #ubuntu and not viewing things here as much
[01:37] <tsdgeos> that is, with a semi-broken kubuntu CD
[01:37] <Riddell> tsdgeos: not really no
[01:37] <ubijtsa> tsdgeos: you mean netboot?
[01:37] <Riddell> semi broken CD?
[01:37] <trollig> only a third of it is missing ? lol
[01:37] <tsdgeos> Riddell: i toasted 2 cd and they fail self integrity checking at the same file
[01:38] <tsdgeos> maybe the iso i got is corrupted
[01:38] <tsdgeos> it can "boot" to install, i can partition, but dies on installing
[01:38] <ubijtsa> tsdgeos: try checking the MD5 sum of the ISO ?
[01:38] <darth_suicune> tsdgeos, the fail is at debootstrap / initrd?
[01:38] <tsdgeos> so if it could grab the packages from the internet that would be nice
[01:39] <tsdgeos> darth_suicune: the fail is when installing the packages
[01:39] <darth_suicune> yeah, but you saw what package failed?
[01:39] <tsdgeos> ubijtsa: yeah i should do that but that sucks as it is on a hd that is not connected to any machine at the moment
[01:39] <tsdgeos> zlib
[01:40] <darth_suicune> i had problems installing kubuntu from some cds in a package called debootstrap (or initrd)
[01:40] <darth_suicune> ok
[01:40] <ubijtsa> tsdgeos: ah, forget that suggestion then
[01:41] <Phazeman> trollig: it works just fine i mean thunderbird)
[01:41] <ilba7r> ok updated to ff <IP_ADDRESS> hope this fix some of the seg faults i used to get
[01:41] <Riddell> tsdgeos: check md5sums?
[01:41] <trollig> on amd64 dapper tb1.5 with enigmail?
[01:42] <tsdgeos> Riddell: i'm trying to do, but the hd with the iso is out of the machine atm, and also bittorrent should not have that kind of problems :-/
[01:42] <[Vampis] > reboot
[01:45] <Phazeman> trollig: i'm on i386 and thunderbird works just fine
[01:45] <Riddell> oh, allan left
[01:45] <Riddell> ubijtsa: what is your problem?
[01:45] <Phazeman> does anybody knows about some sort of thuinderbird plugin that will show if a new mail arrived in the systray
[01:45] <Phazeman> ?
[01:45] <Hobbsee> Phazeman: moztraybiff
[01:46] <Phazeman> thanks !!
[01:46] <Hobbsee> no problems
[01:46] <trollig> Phazeman: don't know why no new enigmail package for amd64 get's compiled. But it probably soon will.
[01:46] <ubijtsa> Riddell: the xkb part of kde351
[01:47] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: it's not in the repositories as far as i can see
[01:47] <Phazeman> it's some kind of external extensions ?
[01:47] <Hobbsee> Phazeman: it's not, use google
[01:47] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:47] <ubijtsa> Riddell: I see the same problems that allan sees, but they are inconsequential to me, the xkb problems are problematic for me however
[01:47] <Hobbsee> Phazeman: and if you have problems with the one on their site, i can send you my complied version
[01:48] <Riddell> ubijtsa: xkb I know about, no idea what the issue is but I'll look into it when I have time (next week)
[01:48] <ubijtsa> Riddell: you may have received an email from me about it already (sent it an hour or so ago)
[01:48] <ubijtsa> Riddell: that is all I ask :)
[01:48] <Riddell> yes I did, sorry haven't got round to replying yet
[01:48] <marseillai> hi everybody
[01:48] <Riddell> ubijtsa: and what problem of allan's do you see?
[01:48] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: and what about a manual explaining how to set so links will open in firefox from thunderbird ?
[01:49] <ubijtsa> I can make do with setxkbmap for now
[01:49] <Phazeman> :)
[01:49] <Hobbsee> !thunderbird
[01:49] <ubotu> somebody said thunderbird was a FOSS email client, capable of close cooperation with Firefox, both by the Mozilla Foundation.  To make your thunderbird links open in firefox, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=60427
[01:49] <Phazeman> YAY
[01:49] <Hobbsee> Phazeman: see the bottom link
[01:49] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:49] <marseillai> i've seen that my upgrave to kde 3.5.1 install libavahi! can i allready use it in konqueror or other apps ?
[01:49] <ubijtsa> Riddell: the libpoppler0c2-qt deps problems
[01:49] <Phazeman> ubijtsa: do you have problems with russian keyboard ?
[01:49] <Riddell> ubijtsa: on which package?
[01:49] <ubijtsa> Phazeman: no, just setting it in kde :)
[01:50] <ubijtsa> Riddell: when trying to install a kdegraphics package
[01:50] <Riddell> ubijtsa: tried installing libpoppler0c2-qt?
[01:50] <Phazeman> ubijtsa: use the force (xorg.conf settings)
[01:50] <Phazeman> ubijtsa: wait a sec and i will help you
[01:50] <tsdgeos> ok, feel free to blame me, i did not remember i still had only downloaded 94% of kubuntu iso :D
[01:50] <[Vampis] > There
[01:50] <ubijtsa> [12:24:55]  <allan> kdegraphics:
[01:50] <ubijtsa> [12:24:55]  <allan>   Depends: kdegraphics-kfile-plugins (>=4:3.5.1-0ubuntu0breezy1) but 4:3.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy1.4 is to be installed
[01:50] <tsdgeos> so obviously the CD got fucked
[01:50] <Riddell> ubijtsa: aah I see, you need it from breezy-security/universe
[01:51] <Riddell> ubijtsa: make sure you have that enabled
[01:51] <ubijtsa> that is essentially the problem... but as I said earlier, I don't mind on that one
[01:51] <ubijtsa> ok, let me test
[01:51] <Riddell> tsdgeos: this is breezy?
[01:51] <hawking> does anyone know how to enable identd in ubuntu? some IRC-servers require it as it seems
[01:51] <tsdgeos> Riddell: 5.10, don't know about names
[01:51] <ubijtsa> Phazeman: I have a setxkbmap line that does it for me, but thanks anyway :)
[01:51] <Riddell> tsdgeos: yes, that's breezy
[01:52] <tsdgeos> so yes
[01:52] <Riddell> tsdgeos: breezy CDs should be fine so you'll need to check the md5sum
[01:53] <[Vampis] > Whats the maindifference between OOffice and KOffice ?
[01:54] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: moztraybiff is not on the official extensions page...
[01:54] <Phazeman> [Vampis] : those are 2 different applications
[01:54] <Hobbsee> it's on mozdev...
[01:54] <Hobbsee> http://moztraybiff.mozdev.org/
[01:54] <trollig> [Vampis] : I always use KOffice when I want to edit pdf-files
[01:54] <jpatrick> [Vampis] : KOffice is KDE
[01:54] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: ahh
[01:55] <ubijtsa> Riddell: I have breezy, breezy-security and breezy-updates enabled for main restricted universe multiverse
[01:55] <[Vampis] > Yes that I know
[01:55] <[Vampis] > But wich one is "better" ?
[01:55] <unholy> [Vampis] : someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think koffice is faster because it's native, but it doesn't support the .doc format as well as openoffice.
[01:55] <[Vampis] > aha
[01:56] <ubijtsa> Riddell: but on the box at work (where I saw the problem) I may not have..
[01:56] <tsdgeos> Riddell: eyah, read above, i was toasting in the CD a iso not yet full downloaded :D
[01:56] <jpatrick> unholy: it has good support for .doc
[01:56] <ubijtsa> will have to try that monday morning
[01:56] <Riddell> ubijtsa: what happens when you try and install kdegraphics-kfile-plugins?
[01:56] <[Vampis] > well, *installing* :)
[01:56] <betim> hi, I want KDE 4.0 how do I install it?
[01:57] <Riddell> tsdgeos: he he :)
[01:57] <ubijtsa> Riddell: I appear to have it itstalled here (@home)
[01:57] <ubijtsa> betim: let them release it first ?
[01:57] <ubijtsa> my reverse ssh tunnel to work is down, so cant test it until monday morning
[01:57] <Riddell> betim: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html
[01:57] <unholy> jpatrick: okay, thanks for clearing that up. Last time I checked it definately wasnt (open office was just out). Might give it another try myself.
[01:58] <Riddell> ubijtsa: what version?
[01:58] <Riddell> ubotu: kde4 is http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html
[01:58] <ubotu> Riddell: okay
[01:58] <Riddell> !kde4
[01:58] <ubotu> rumour has it, kde4 is http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html
[01:58] <Riddell> cool
[01:58] <ubijtsa> Riddell: OT question, will kde 4.0 have SVG support throughout, like gnome does?
[01:58] <ubijtsa> Riddell: here (@home) 3.5.1
[01:58] <Riddell> ubijtsa: qt4 does, so yes
[01:58] <ubijtsa> Riddell: excellent :)
[01:59] <ubijtsa> what about kde 3.5.x with Qt4 ? ;)
[01:59] <Riddell> and actually kde 3 has svg support
[01:59] <Riddell> ubijtsa: that doesn't exist
[01:59] <ubijtsa> not for icons
[01:59] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: looks like it works :)
[01:59] <Riddell> kde 3 has svg support for icons but it's not usually used for various reasons (like it being crap)
[01:59] <Phazeman> i will test it in a sec :)
[02:00] <Hobbsee> Phazeman: yay :)
[02:00] <ubijtsa> okidoki
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: any idea how many hours this will take to build?  2.4ghz, 512mb of ram
[02:02] <Phazeman> no yay until i see it show that i've got new mail :)
[02:03] <weedar> Any tips as to why I can't logon to the wiki?
[02:04] <Hobbsee> Phazeman: your email?
[02:04] <Hobbsee> address, that is?
[02:14] <tsdgeos> ok, it is installing fine now :D
[02:18] <_thomas> hello
[02:18] <jpatrick> _thomas: hullo
[02:19] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: see pmsgt
[02:19] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: its nevermind :)
[02:20] <Phazeman> it's yay already :)
[02:20] <Phazeman> i've seen it working
[02:21] <Hobbsee> oh well, sent anywya
[02:22] <[Vampis-Kopete] > Oh, nice, its working :)
[02:22] <unholy> Has anyone tried upgrading to kde3.5?
[02:22] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: thanks :)
[02:23] <[Vampis] > Can someone highlight me ? :)
[02:23] <unholy> [Vampis] : sure :)
[02:23] <unholy> That what you meant?
[02:24] <[Vampis] > Yep
[02:24] <[Vampis] > Thx :)
[02:24] <unholy> np :)
[02:24] <[Vampis] > hm, highlight didnt work to well, but everytime someone writes it looks like a new IM messege
[02:24] <[Vampis] > thats gonna be alot of messeges ;)
[02:25] <unholy> [Vampis] : is that version 0.11 youre using?
[02:25] <unholy> sorry, 10.3
[02:25] <[Vampis] > yes, 0.11
[02:25] <unholy> really? I didnt think that was out yet. Its not on the homepage.
[02:26] <[Vampis] > Yep it's out
[02:26] <archelios> bonjour tout le modne
[02:26] <archelios> ya quelqu'un ?
[02:26] <unholy> [Vampis] : Cool. You must be running kde 3.5 then?
[02:26] <[Vampis] >  http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35
[02:26] <[Vampis] > yep
[02:27] <[Vampis] > but I used it in gnome to :)
[02:27] <archelios> hello eceryone
[02:27] <Hobbsee> Phazeman: no problems
[02:27] <[Vampis] > Worked like a charm
[02:27] <rdale> can I upgrade to kde 3.5.1 from 3.4.3/breezy or to I need to reinstall with dapper?
[02:27] <unholy> [Vampis] : nice. Was the upgrade smooth?
[02:27] <[Vampis] > Yep
[02:27] <unholy> I'm definately switching to Kubuntu. I'm using mandriva at the moment.
[02:27] <archelios> can somebody help me ? I'm trying to configure my ati x600 graphic card but i cant
[02:28] <[Vampis] > I just added " deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main " to the repository and ran sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:28] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: do you , by any chance know how to chenge the fonts shown in mozilla in the menu ? i mean the size of them... i'm trying to find it in the configuration menu but the only thing in there is the web page font settings
[02:28] <Hobbsee> Phazeman: play with gtk font settings - in system settings
[02:28] <unholy> cool.
[02:28] <CyberMad> which one better? postfix, qmail, exim >
[02:28] <woocash> Hi , I have a lame question. What is the default path for Konqueror in Kubuntu ???
[02:28] <CyberMad> ?
[02:29] <[Vampis] > default path ?
[02:29] <woocash> yes
[02:29] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: ahhh... ok ...
[02:29] <CyberMad> woocash, whereis konqueror ?
[02:29] <woocash> yes
[02:29] <CyberMad> yes.. that's the command
[02:29] <[Vampis] > ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror
[02:29] <CyberMad> whereis konqueror
[02:29] <CyberMad> :)
[02:29] <Phazeman> any russian speaking here ? need some help with GAIM to make it show me the russian other people writing to me...
[02:30] <unholy> CyberMad: type 'which konqueror' to find out
[02:30] <woocash> thx
[02:30] <archelios> can somebody healp me please ?
[02:30] <CyberMad> unholy would you tell me what's the different?
[02:30] <[Vampis] > archelios: with what ?
[02:30] <unholy> CyberMad: different with what?
[02:31] <archelios> I am new on Kubuntu, and i cant attempt to install my ati drivers
[02:31] <CyberMad> unholy nevermind.. i can see the difference between whereis and which in man
[02:31] <unholy> ok
[02:32] <archelios> i couldn't startx without putting vesa in the pilot choice with the sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:32] <farous> !tell archelios about ati
[02:32] <unholy> CyberMad: which is good if you have more than one version of the software, and you want to know which one is default.
[02:33] <farous> archelios, with ati there is fglrxconfig
[02:33] <unholy> also, which just tells you where the binary is.
[02:33] <farous> or fireglconfig
[02:34] <archelios> wekk
[02:34] <archelios> well
[02:34] <archelios> I tryed to install ati rpm
[02:34] <farous> archelios, if you use it though do not forge to backup your xorg.conf file
[02:34] <farous> for it will rewrite it from scratch
[02:34] <kernel_i386> hey.. I recently switched from breezy to dapper - and noticed a lot of issues ... now I want to switch back to breezy - is that possible?
[02:34] <farous> archelios, ati is already installed by default why use rpm package
[02:35] <Phazeman> Hobbsee: got my email ?
[02:35] <kernel_i386> just change Distribution from "dapper" to "breezy" in adept?
[02:35] <kernel_i386> will that work?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> Phazeman: no, dont have it open
[02:35] <Hobbsee> night all...
[02:35] <Hobbsee> kernel_i386: yes
[02:36] <Phazeman> night ;)
[02:36] <kernel_i386> okay, thanks
[02:36] <kernel_i386> night
[02:36] <tsdgeos> have anyone ever realized that resolution checker on xserver-xorg reconfigure is VERy badly usability related?
[02:36] <tsdgeos> return does exactly what you do not want to do it :-/
[02:38] <Rivelino> Could somebody help me with amaroK? I can't get multimedia keys work with it. I've already installed hotkeys and hotkeys-setup.
[02:38] <farous> archelios, you can reinstall xserver-xorg-driver-ati
[02:39] <ccc_> Rivelino: type "man amarok" to see which options you can use
[02:40] <Rivelino> k
[02:40] <kernel_i386> nothing happens..
[02:40] <kernel_i386> I changed dapper to breezy now..
[02:40] <kernel_i386> he fetched update list.. and now..?
[02:41] <farous> kernel_i386, you have to downgrade manually all the packages :(
[02:41] <farous> !dapper
[02:41] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be the "Dapper Drake" release, due april 20, 2006. If you want to use it before then, be warned that it's not yet stable and may break. You get to keep/repair the pieces.
[02:41] <farous> and you have been warned before the install
[02:41] <CyberMad> does kubuntu as server support SATA ?
[02:41] <kernel_i386> yes.. I mounted some SATA..
[02:41] <CyberMad> thanks.. i will install it soon
[02:41] <tsdgeos> why should server make a difference?
[02:42] <kernel_i386> ...damn ... so no way for a noob to downgrade :P
[02:42] <CyberMad> i believe there is no difference.. just make it clear
[02:42] <kernel_i386> I'll have to wait for my friend support
[02:42] <kernel_i386> dunno how to downgrade manually
[02:42] <Hobbsee> night all...
[02:43] <farous> night Hobbsee :)
[02:43] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:43] <farous> kernel_i386, you will have to use the foce version option if you use synaptic
[02:43] <kernel_i386> hmm, I use "adept"?
[02:43] <farous> or with adept just select downgrade
[02:43] <kernel_i386> no option downgrade to find..
[02:44] <farous> kernel_i386, try right clicking on the package with the mouse and see the options
[02:44] <weedar> Does anyone know how I can log on to the wiki?
[02:44] <kernel_i386> I have a button that says "Full Upgrade" - but can't use it..
[02:44] <kernel_i386> maybe: "reinstall Package"?
[02:44] <kernel_i386> or Purge Package?
[02:45] <kernel_i386> or Remove Package
[02:45] <paulvolk> Hey Guys
[02:45] <kernel_i386> Upgrad Package is not possible ... not able to chose
[02:45] <paulvolk> Where would I find a list of repositories I could add?
[02:45] <farous> kernel_i386, there is no easy way to do it any way you coose will be messy
[02:45] <farous> !repos
[02:45] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[02:45] <kernel_i386> hmm
[02:46] <CyberMad> is it better to use ubuntu as my server than kubuntu (server installation mode) ? my friend told that.. is that correct?
[02:46] <CyberMad> what's the difference??
[02:46] <CyberMad> i haven't install ubuntu before..
[02:47] <hatake_kakashi> ubuntu is running on gnome, kubuntu is kde
[02:47] <farous> CyberMad, for server you do not need bloated desktop and windowmanger. normallhy a terminal based one to reduce resource hogging
[02:47] <CyberMad> yes.. i don't install the windowmanager
[02:47] <farous> CyberMad, there is a server install i think with xdm and either xfce or no wm at all
[02:47] <CyberMad> i choose server in installation
[02:47] <CyberMad> so just text mode that i have right now
[02:48] <CyberMad> running in celeron 333mhz
[02:48] <paulvolk> How would I add the sources?
[02:48] <paulvolk> like do I type them all in to adept?
[02:48] <farous> CyberMad, ok so using ubuntu or kubuntu is the same. my exper though is use ubuntu cd more reliable as far as i  used them
[02:48] <hatake_kakashi> both ubuntu/kubuntu are more or less the same without the X window
[02:48] <CyberMad> installing the window manager takes 3-4 hours in celeron 333 mhz
[02:49] <hatake_kakashi> paulvolk: there is guides for that on the kubuntu wiki
[02:49] <hatake_kakashi> !sources
[02:49] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[02:49] <farous> paulvolk, edit the fire /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:49] <hatake_kakashi> err not that..
[02:49] <farous> !tell paulvolk about repos
[02:49] <noll> Cannot build WineHQ from source. I get "#error unsupported CPU". Im on a mac. Found a patch for it on the internet, but dont know how to use it :( anyone?
[02:49] <hatake_kakashi> yeah, what farous said, use your favourite editor to edit it
[02:49] <hatake_kakashi> !repos
[02:49] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[02:50] <hatake_kakashi> hmm
[02:51] <marseillai> Riddell: does kdelibs and kdenetwork 3.5.1 compils with avahi support ?
[02:51] <JakubS> noll: you simply cannot use wine on non-x86 compatible processor
[02:51] <noll> hmm
[02:52] <JakubS> windows app are all x86 and wine does not emulate a processor - only win32 api
[02:52] <noll> so why are there source packages for building non-386 out then?
[02:53] <JakubS> maybe to use it with x86 emulator
[02:53] <JakubS> http://www.terrasoftsolutions.com/lists/yellowdog-general/November00/0409.html
[02:54] <CyberMad> does anyone here have installation guide for postfix in kubuntu?
[02:55] <paulvolk> thanks for the help
[02:56] <Riddell> marseillai: yes
[02:56] <marseillai> oki thank's
[02:57] <marseillai> could you tell me wath packages are necessary to use zeroconf:/ in konqueror ?
[02:59] <CyberMad> ah got it via google
[03:03] <archelios> I am getting mad
[03:03] <archelios> using the tips you gave me
[03:03] <archelios> I retry for the 33434 time
[03:03] <archelios> to configure xconf and stuff
[03:04] <archelios> but when I use ati or fglrx instead of vesa on pilot selection
[03:04] <farous> archelios, i told you you need to backup the xorg.conf did you do that
[03:04] <archelios> startx dosen't run, it says Fatal erro:r
[03:04] <archelios> no screen
[03:04] <farous> archelios, bottom line ati driver are crappy that is why you have troubles
[03:04] <farous> archelios, what card you have
[03:05] <archelios> iam not really sure
[03:05] <farous> lspci
[03:05] <archelios> i am on a toshiba satellite pro mx40
[03:05] <farous> in a terminal will tell you the card name
[03:05] <archelios> and i thinx its a mobility x600
[03:05] <osh_> archelios: lspci | grep -i vga <- that should tell you the card.
[03:06] <archelios> VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc: Unknown device 5462
[03:06] <archelios> but pretty sure its a x600
[03:06] <farous> x600 is much like the 9800 series
[03:06] <farous> sorry 9600
[03:06] <archelios> but the problem is
[03:06] <farous> so fglrx shouldl work well
[03:06] <archelios> well
[03:07] <archelios> it doesent
[03:07] <archelios> when I installed Kbuntu with the server instalattion
[03:07] <farous> archelios, why server installation when you are gona run x
[03:07] <archelios> a friend of mine installed ATI Rpm and its was working quite well (screen in wide resolution etc)
[03:08] <archelios> but i wanted the normal installation
[03:08] <archelios> and the fact is that a the end of the instalttion
[03:08] <archelios> i got the error : fatal error no screen
[03:08] <mirsh> hey, anyone know how to dual boot with grub? i want to be able to choose what linux kernel to boot with
[03:08] <archelios> when making the startx command
[03:09] <farous> archelios, now you fixed it right do you have xdm, gdm or kdm running
[03:09] <archelios> so i search on the web and got this tips : put vesa on pilot selection with the sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg command
[03:09] <archelios> and that worked
[03:10] <archelios> i am actually on kde
[03:10] <farous> ok archelios than use it if it worked for you
[03:10] <archelios> but my screen isnt in a good resolution (i can only select
[03:10] <farous> archelios, and do not use rpm whatever you want you can find in deb
[03:10] <archelios> sure i'd like to
[03:11] <farous> archelios, and you can set the proper reslution in xorg.conf
[03:11] <farous> or using fireglconfig
[03:11] <archelios> yes but anyway, i'm on vesa pilot and its crappy
[03:11] <farous> !fixers
[03:11] <ubotu> Huh? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, farous
[03:11] <farous> !monitor
[03:12] <ubotu> farous: Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:12] <farous> archelios, wait i will give you a link to fix the resolution
[03:12] <archelios> ok
[03:12] <archelios> but i'd like also to go on ati or fglrx pilot, not vesa :(
[03:13] <archelios> because for example the refresh rates i can select for display is only "0"
[03:13] <farous> archelios, i really do not now what is your prob. but having a server install at the start was huge mistake
[03:13] <farous> if you were gonna run x
[03:13] <archelios> lol non in facht
[03:14] <archelios> yeasterday
[03:14] <archelios> my friend gave me kubuntu
[03:14] <archelios> and make a server install
[03:14] <farous> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:14] <archelios> because i wanted to try linux
[03:14] <archelios> but now I made a normal install
[03:14] <tsdgeos> make a server install ???
[03:14] <farous> server install has to many security that might render a desktop useless
[03:15] <farous> should only be used for servers and never desktop archelios
[03:15] <CyberMad> welcome to text mode life :)
[03:15] <farous> archelios, check the monitor section
[03:15] <unholy> Quick question, what firewall are y'all using?
[03:16] <farous> exactly CyberMad why you have server install if you are gonna run X :(
[03:16] <CyberMad> i don't need x windows
[03:16] <CyberMad> without "s"
[03:16] <farous> unholy, linux have a built in firewall. an easy front end for it is firestarter
[03:16] <archelios> well im checking but I wana first get the good video pilot before getting the right resolution
[03:17] <farous> CyberMad, i understand i am just wondering of others who need x and yet go for server install
[03:17] <CyberMad> why you don't do re-install?
[03:17] <farous> archelios, can you paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file on the pastebin
[03:17] <archelios> i reinstalled 10 times this night
[03:18] <archelios> getting bored :(
[03:18] <farous> archelios, make a normall renistall and your life will be easier. for expect problems beyond your mere xserver one
[03:19] <archelios> but i made
[03:19] <archelios> 10 normal installation
[03:19] <archelios> and startx doesnt work
[03:19] <farous> lots of services are disabled for servers
[03:19] <farous> archelios, with kdm startx normally is not used
[03:19] <farous> sudo kdm start
[03:19] <farous> sudo kdm stop, sudo kdm restart
[03:20] <archelios> its kdm ?
[03:20] <archelios> the command ?
[03:20] <archelios> well ill try that
[03:20] <farous> if you installed kubuntu than it should be kdm unless if it is server install
[03:20] <[Vampis] > kdm = lay manage
[03:20] <[Vampis] > kkathman:  :D
[03:20] <[Vampis] > kdm = k display manager , there, thats right
[03:20] <[Vampis] > :)
[03:21] <kkathman> howdy [Vampis]  :)
[03:21] <[Vampis] > Whats up ? :)
[03:22] <kkathman> nothing much
[03:22] <archelios> well
[03:23] <archelios> kdm makes nothing :p
[03:23] <[Vampis] >  makes nothing ? :P
[03:23] <archelios> sudo kdm
[03:23] <farous> are you running kde archelios
[03:23] <archelios> doesnt start the desktop display
[03:23] <[Vampis] > sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[03:23] <archelios> yup
[03:23] <archelios> kubuntu install
[03:23] <farous> i mean are you in kde environ
[03:24] <archelios> actually yes
[03:24] <farous> than it is running
[03:24] <archelios> yes i know
[03:24] <archelios> raaaaaaaa
[03:24] <paulvolk> Hey guys
[03:24] <archelios> getting mad
[03:25] <paulvolk> How would I add more users to Kubuntu?
[03:25] <farous> archelios, what are you trying to do.
[03:25] <archelios> im trying to do
[03:25] <archelios> my graphic card working
[03:25] <[Vampis] > paulvolk: adduser username
[03:25] <archelios> i meen
[03:25] <[Vampis] > in the console
[03:25] <paulvolk> ok
[03:25] <farous> archelios, be patient one step at a time
[03:25] <archelios> yes i know
[03:25] <[Vampis] > or in kcontrol
[03:25] <paulvolk> is there a Gui for that?
[03:25] <[Vampis] > System Administration / Users & Group
[03:26] <[Vampis] > there's the gui
[03:26] <archelios> but yesterday on the server install
[03:26] <farous> archelios, if you are worried about the resol. follow the link i sent you
[03:26] <archelios> with RPM
[03:26] <archelios> ati
[03:26] <archelios> we got the good resolution selection
[03:26] <[Vampis] > Why do you make a serverinstall and then want to run kde?
[03:26] <[Vampis] > :P
[03:26] <archelios> 60 refresh rate etc
[03:26] <archelios> but in the nigh
[03:26] <archelios> night
[03:26] <[Vampis] > kkathman: so what are you up to today ?
[03:26] <archelios> i realized that what ive got was a server install
[03:26] <paulvolk> ok Thaks
[03:27] <archelios> so kinda 'empty'
[03:27] <paulvolk> Thanks*
[03:27] <archelios> so i made a normal installation
[03:27] <archelios> but there a the end
[03:27] <archelios> command startx wasn't working, i was getting a error message with no screen in it
[03:28] <farous> archelios, you just need to describe the refresh rate , horiz and vert sync in your xorg.conf file and the resolu of your monitor
[03:28] <[Vampis] > hm, does sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm work ?
[03:28] <archelios> yeah i know
[03:28] <archelios> but actually
[03:28] <archelios> its working with a crapy solution
[03:28] <[Vampis] > add resolutions in the xorg.conf file then
[03:28] <[Vampis] > :)
[03:28] <archelios> selction vesa as video pilot with the sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xor
[03:29] <farous> archelios, ok paste /etc/X11/xorg.conf to the pastebin
[03:29] <farous> let me have a look at it
[03:29] <archelios> but i wana make kubuntu work finie, with ati or fblrx pilot
[03:29] <archelios> not vesa
[03:29] <farous> archelios, with fglrx you put it as the driver
[03:29] <archelios> wich was working well on the server install so why not with the normal install
[03:30] <farous> not the pilot and it is either ati or fglrx
[03:30] <archelios> but when i select fglrx
[03:30] <archelios> i cant start kde environement
[03:30] <archelios> i'm getting an error
[03:30] <archelios> as well if i select ati
[03:30] <farous> archelios, did you follow ubotu link on ati
[03:30] <archelios> i follow a lot of link
[03:31] <farous> !tell archelios about ati
[03:31] <farous> you should follow official ubuntu links
[03:31] <archelios> nothing is working and i'm getting kind of sunk in all those manipulation of the xorg
[03:32] <farous> ok archelios i wish i could help you but seems you already gave up
[03:32] <farous> i too got to go sleep so take care and hope you can solve your problem
[03:32] <paulvolk> How do I get into a root account?
[03:33] <farous> paulvolk, put sudo infront of the command and you will have sudo privlages
[03:33] <farous> !tell paulvolk about sudo
[03:33] <illminime> Hi everyone i got a big problem with my ethernet controller, its a ALi Corporation: unknown device 5263
[03:34] <archelios> making a new installation to reset all my errors i could have done
[03:34] <illminime> Anyone had the same problem?
[03:34] <illminime> Cant get ip
[03:34] <paulvolk> ok but in terminal when I type su and type my password it says login failed but when I go into like the packedge manager and put in the same passwrod it works.
[03:34] <illminime> Have installed rt2500 drivers and ndiswrapper
[03:34] <illminime> everything seems to be ok
[03:34] <illminime> but no offers from dhcp
[03:35] <archelios> by the way the mess starts a the begining anyway, for example i have to select vga=771
[03:38] <illminime> Anyone ?
[03:40] <weedar> illminime, do you use wpa?
[03:41] <illminime> weedar: no i dont
[03:42] <JakubS> is it even wireless?
[03:42] <illminime> weedar: I did first, but removed it since i tought it might be the problem, but it wasnt
[03:42] <weedar> illminime, when running iwconfig you see your wireless adapter?
[03:42] <illminime> JakubS: Its both wireless and wired
[03:42] <illminime> weedar: Yes
[03:42] <illminime> weedar: but no ip from dhcp
[03:42] <illminime> weedar: cant even ping my network
[03:43] <JakubS> http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0601.3/0756.html - this suggests that uli526x is right driver for this chipset
[03:43] <illminime> ok
[03:43] <illminime> I'll take a look
[03:44] <weedar> for me all I had to do was compile ndiswrapper, load the correct driver, run "ndiswrapper -m" and modprobe ndiswrapper
[03:44] <weedar> as long as you've done all of that all I can think of is that your'e using an incorrect driver illminime
[03:45] <illminime> I use the winxp drivers with ndiswrapper
[03:45] <illminime> no errors accours
[03:45] <weedar> I assume that ndiswrapper -l says the driver is loaded and present
[03:45] <illminime> yes weedar
[03:46] <weedar> This is a pci controller, right? When running lspci what does that tell you about the card?
[03:46] <illminime> the output of ethernet controller is:
[03:47] <weedar> You should probably use pastebin if you plan on pasting several lines
[03:47] <illminime> Ethernet Controller: ALi unknown device: 5263 (rev 50)
[03:47] <illminime> weedar: I have no internett on that pc so i cant paste it
[03:48] <illminime> but that line I wrote to you is the output of ethernet
[03:50] <weedar> illminime, I can't seem to find that number 5263 on the list.. the one at http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List
[03:50] <JakubS> well, looks like pci id matches that from uli526x.c driver
[03:50] <gsnedders> how much RAM would I need to run kubuntu smoothy on a duron 700? 256MB? 512MB?
[03:50] <JakubS> you are trying to get wired or wireless to work?
[03:50] <illminime> JakubS: I tries first to get wireless to work
[03:51] <JakubS> gsnedders: the more the better, as usual :-)
[03:51] <illminime> JakubS: But wierd would have been great to
[03:51] <illminime> *too
[03:51] <JakubS> from what i see uli526x is only wired
[03:51] <illminime> ok
[03:51] <gsnedders> JakubS, how well would it run with 256MB?
[03:51] <tecs> anyone here who can help me isntall my hp 720c printer i tried using the printer wizard but it wont work
[03:51] <illminime> JakubS: So i have to modprobe uli526x module?
[03:53] <solemnwarning> is there a way to install mp3 codecs and w32codecs under kubuntu?
[03:53] <_henrik> hello all Kubuntu users
[03:53] <weedar> solemnwarning, just follow the same guides that are available for ubuntu
[03:53] <tecs> solemnwarnings yes....
[03:53] <solemnwarning> what guides?
[03:53] <JanDoo> hi folks
[03:54] <weedar> solemnwarning, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:54] <solemnwarning> w32codecs aint on apt and marillat is only for deb
[03:54] <illminime> So i have to modprobe uli526x module?
[03:54] <solemnwarning> ok
[03:54] <tecs> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=114251
[03:54] <tecs> check that out solemnwarning
[03:54] <JanDoo> good day ... migration from suse to kubuntu was succesful *g*
[03:55] <kkathman> JanDoo:  I actually run both at the moment :)
[03:55] <JanDoo> but on small question ... from suse and red hat i know a command like chkconfig or inserv
[03:55] <JanDoo> does debian has such a thing?
[03:56] <kkathman> Im not sure what those do
[03:56] <JanDoo> this both things creates automatically the links under /etc/rc.x/ for an init script
[03:57] <kkathman> I dont know of anything like that in ubuntu but its possible
[03:57] <JanDoo> i know i can do this manually ... but it's more comfortable if you do something like "chkconfig -a smb" for example
[03:57] <kkathman> you'll find that there are a few more manual things in kubuntu because its a young release
[03:58] <JanDoo> nop ... i thought debian has such a feature too
[03:59] <kkathman> it might, I just never used it
[03:59] <JanDoo> *g*
[03:59] <JanDoo> so lets google speak ...
[04:05] <_nat> Hi, I've a laptop with an ATI graphic card, I plug a video projector on and I'd like to watch moovie on but it doesn't work
[04:05] <_nat> i configure the ATI for having the same things in the 2 screens
[04:06] <gsnedders> how likely is it my motherboard can't take >256MB RAM without a BIOS upgrade?
[04:06] <gsnedders> it's from the late 90s, I think
[04:06] <_nat> but the video are displayed on only one windows
[04:06] <_nat> on only one screen
[04:07] <_nat> the 2nd screen is black wheras displaying the video
[04:07] <closeasperil> hello
[04:07] <closeasperil> did anyone upgrade to kde 5.1?
[04:08] <kkathman> closeasperil: I did...its buggy
[04:08] <kkathman> its 3.5.1 tho
[04:08] <kkathman> I wish I hadnt
[04:09] <closeasperil> is there any way to reupgrade???
[04:09] <closeasperil> i did also
[04:09] <closeasperil> nothing works anymore :D
[04:09] <kkathman> well, Im sure there is
[04:09] <closeasperil> you dont know how do you?
[04:09] <kkathman> I probably wont, cuz usually its a pain
[04:11] <closeasperil> hmm
[04:13] <wasp_ems> i just downloaded firefox..how do i install it?
[04:14] <jpatrick> !firefox
[04:14] <wasp_ems> ?
[04:15] <jpatrick> ubotu: tell wasp_ems about firefox1.5
[04:15] <wasp_ems> thanx
[04:16] <puckman> Wow
[04:16] <puckman> Anyone here played with quanta plus?
[04:16] <puckman> darn nice!
[04:17] <kkathman> puckman: use it all the time
[04:17] <kkathman> yes its pretty darned good
[04:17] <kkathman> maybe one of the best linux apps out there
[04:17] <puckman> Installed it some time ago but played with it for the first time today.
[04:17] <puckman> Man, how misguided I was all those years using a mac
[04:17] <closeasperil> kkathman: would you mind helping me wit some 3.5.1 stuff?
[04:18] <kkathman> closeasperil: I'll certainly try
[04:18] <closeasperil> query?
[04:18] <kkathman> why not chat here, so everyone can benefit :)
[04:18] <kkathman> besides I might not know :)
[04:18] <kkathman> and someone else might :)
[04:19] <closeasperil> hah ok
[04:19] <closeasperil> so
[04:19] <closeasperil> its like i cannot do ANYTHING anymore
[04:19] <closeasperil> konqueror wont work
[04:19] <kkathman> ahh yes the icons?
[04:19] <closeasperil> contact wont work
[04:19] <kkathman> hm
[04:19] <closeasperil> says no mime types installed
[04:19] <kkathman> closeasperil:  when you say "wont work"...can you be specific?
[04:20] <kkathman> take konqueror first
[04:20] <closeasperil> ok
[04:20] <closeasperil> seems like no paths are configured
[04:20] <closeasperil> i cannot click on the home sign
[04:20] <kkathman> I dont use Konqy...but let me try that - one moment
[04:21] <kkathman> ok I dont have that problem
[04:21] <closeasperil> when i try to type ANYTHING in the navigationline it says protocoll not supported
[04:21] <kkathman> home takes me to home
[04:21] <kkathman> ouch!
[04:21] <closeasperil> yes
[04:21] <closeasperil> in deed
[04:21] <kkathman> hmm
[04:21] <kkathman> this sounds very odd
[04:22] <closeasperil> when i try to change settings
[04:22] <kkathman> all this after you installed 3.5 ?
[04:22] <closeasperil> it says
[04:22] <kkathman> 3.5.1
[04:22] <closeasperil> system:/settings.desktop not found
[04:22] <closeasperil> yes
[04:22] <closeasperil> just after the upgrade
[04:23] <kkathman> hmmm did you happen to check for errors during the install?
[04:23] <closeasperil> how that?
[04:23] <kkathman> I had a couple I had to resolve
[04:24] <kkathman> to upgrade did you  change  your sources and then do an apt-get update | apt-get dist-upgrade?
[04:24] <closeasperil> well not exactly
[04:24] <kkathman> hmm
[04:24] <kkathman> ok
[04:24] <closeasperil> i did via adept
[04:24] <kkathman> ahh
[04:24] <kkathman> but you DID change your sources right?
[04:24] <kkathman> to kde351
[04:25] <closeasperil> yes
[04:25] <closeasperil> like said on kubuntu.de
[04:25] <_robin> do you guys know some anti-clutter tools and handy tools for KDE and kubuntu? ^^
[04:26] <kkathman> ok could I suggest that you go to a konsole and lets try this:   sudo apt-get update | sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:26] <kkathman> try that and watch for errors
[04:26] <_robin> do you guys know some anti-clutter tools and handy tools for KDE and kubuntu? ^^
[04:26] <jpatrick> _robin: tried Kleansweep?
[04:27] <vijay> 3D applications are slowing down my system, can any one help me to fix this???
[04:27] <closeasperil> ok ill be back in a minute
[04:27] <_robin> Kleansweep?
[04:27] <jpatrick> _robin: search http://kde-apps.org for it
[04:28] <_robin> have to compile that, damn :o
[04:28] <_robin> jpatrick: but any more apps? ^^
[04:28] <slow-motion> hallo
[04:29] <jpatrick> _robin: compiling's easy and fun :)
[04:29] <_robin> i know, have any more apps?
[04:29] <jpatrick> _robin: not that I know off
[04:30] <_robin> okay, anyone have some handy apps for KDE?
[04:31] <closeasperil> well that dint change anything
[04:31] <closeasperil> ill do a reboot and see
[04:31] <wasp_ems> i installed firefox fine..i went to add flash player in the plugins but it wount allow me to paste them there..what can i do?
[04:31] <Spudly> wasp_ems: have you tried installing from macromedia site?
[04:31] <_robin> anyone have some handy apps for KDE?
[04:31] <kkathman> aaaaargh
[04:32] <Spudly> _robin: define handy
[04:32] <wasp_ems> i downloaded the flash player and extracted its contents
[04:32] <robinl1> Spudly: useful
[04:32] <robinl1> Spudly: making life easier
[04:32] <wasp_ems> is it different from the site?
[04:32] <Spudly> wasp_ems: you mentioned 'pasting'... where are you trying to paste to?
[04:32] <wasp_ems> in the plugins directory..
[04:33] <Spudly> robinl1: is there anything specific you'd like to make easier?
[04:33] <robinl1> Spudly: all stuff
[04:33] <wasp_ems> that what it says on some instructions i am following
[04:33] <Spudly> wasp_ems: np, are you using AdBlock extension?
[04:33] <wasp_ems> i dont know i just installed firefox
[04:34] <paulvolk> Hey
[04:34] <Spudly> have you restarted firefox since you copied the files into the plugins dir?
[04:34] <wasp_ems> i cannot copy the files into the plugins directory
[04:34] <robinl1> Spudly: i mean like note apps, handy stuff, extensions to the user interface to make stuff better and easier.
[04:35] <robinl1> utilitys like kde install apps such as Kompiler, Klik
[04:35] <robinl1> stuff like that :)
[04:35] <Spudly> robinl1: k
[04:35] <robinl1> :)
[04:35] <Spudly> wasp_ems: can you see the permissions on the plugins directory?
[04:35] <wasp_ems> i dont know
[04:35] <closeasperil> back
[04:35] <closeasperil> haha
[04:35] <wasp_ems> wait
[04:36] <closeasperil> ok ALL my settings and everything ist lost
[04:36] <Spudly> wasp_ems: are you using Konqueror or a terminal window?
[04:36] <closeasperil> but it seems the system is running now
[04:36] <wasp_ems> can view content...konqueror
[04:36] <robinl1> Spudly: and konqueror extensions, live sidebar extensions, suff like that :p
[04:36] <closeasperil> kkathman: was this like that for you too?
[04:36] <robinl1> so, you know any?
[04:37] <Spudly> robinl1: do you use SSH much?
[04:37] <robinl1> sometimes
[04:37] <robinl1> for some of my servers
[04:37] <paulvolk>  can't seem to add anymore users to the Kubuntu system. I add users and put in password then restart the computer but when I try to login as the new users I either get a "login Failed" Message or a message saying that I have to change the paword imediatly. what is going on?
[04:37] <Spudly> robinl1: if so, you can use Konqueror to copy files - i think you use a protocol like:  'ssh://' or scp:// or something like that - very handy
[04:37] <wasp_ems> cant i access the computer as root so i dont have any permission problems?
[04:38] <robinl1> k
[04:38] <Spudly> wasp_ems: are you logged on as root? have a look at the permissions on the directory - what are they?
[04:39] <wasp_ems> i am not logged as root because on kubuntu u cant log on as root...the permissions on the directory are that i can only view the content
[04:40] <`Nomad> !scanner
[04:40] <ubotu> For scanners in Ubuntu, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScanningHowTo and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners
[04:40] <kkathman> closeasperil:  nope
[04:40] <Spudly> wasp_ems: what is the path to the plugins folder?
[04:40] <closeasperil> weird
[04:40] <kkathman> closeasperil:  the only things that messed up was my kicker wasnt where it was supposed to be, and my kvirc app got messed a littl
[04:41] <wasp_ems> Spudly: /opt/firefox
[04:41] <kkathman> closeasperil:  it sounds like you had a bad install
[04:41] <closeasperil> hmm. my wallpaper is gone and my controlbar is messy too
[04:41] <closeasperil> well maybe my fault
[04:41] <kkathman> iccck
[04:42] <kkathman> well when you do things like this, its best to to them in a konsole, and that way you see the errors and can fix them a little easier
[04:42] <MrJangles> hey guys, is there software to control apache/sql servers?
[04:42] <closeasperil> ok good guess
[04:42] <closeasperil> anyway
[04:42] <kkathman> thats why I thought maybe repeating the install would work
[04:42] <kkathman> closeasperil:  one more thing you can try
[04:42] <closeasperil> seems like anything is back in command
[04:42] <closeasperil> yes?
[04:43] <Spudly> wasp_ems: you might consider lookin for a user-specific plugins folder
[04:43] <kkathman> ahh no you cant cuz we dont know what went wrong :(
[04:43] <Spudly> eg $HOME/.firefox  or something
[04:43] <kkathman> ARGHH
[04:43] <closeasperil> yeah
[04:43] <wasp_ems> Spudly: what does that mean
[04:43] <wasp_ems> the plugins folder is in the dir i gave u
[04:43] <closeasperil> man, you cant imagine my thoughts when konqueror said "protocoll not supported"
[04:43] <kkathman> closeasperil:  hold on a sec
[04:43] <Spudly> wasp_ems: every user has a 'home directory' - i.e. the place on the filesystem where they are taken when they log in. this is referred to as $HOME
[04:44] <Spudly> wasp_ems: this is where each user can store his/her own files, and often contains directories specific to applications (eg firefox)
[04:44] <Spudly> what username are you using to login?
[04:45] <wasp_ems> yes but i followed what the site in wiki said and then i am trying to follow what it says at http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/faqs/firefox-linux.html
[04:46] <tsdgeos_> anyone knows what do i need to make kcontrol -> keyboard layout to be filled and not empty?
[04:47] <Spudly> wasp_ems: read the first paragraph - the second option is the one you're after: ---
[04:47] <Spudly>  On Linux, plugins can be installed in three locations:   The plugins directory in your Firefox directory A plugins directory in the Mozilla profiles directory (~/.mozilla/plugins) The path pointed to by environment variable MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH
[04:48] <Spudly> Second Option: "A plugins directory in the Mozilla profiles directory (~/.mozilla/plugins)"
[04:48] <Spudly> ~ is the same as $HOME
[04:48] <Spudly> so, open up a terminal window or file manager window and go to the home directory of the user you are logged in as
[04:48] <wasp_ems> i know that!!!!the problem is that is will not allow me to paste those files there
[04:48] <Spudly> then find the .mozilla directory
[04:48] <robinl1> Spudly: and konqueror extensions, live sidebar extensions, suff like that :p
[04:48] <robinl1> err
[04:49] <robinl1> wrong sentence
[04:49] <robinl1> (pressed up)
[04:49] <_henrik> why is KDE 3.4 so fucking bugg
[04:49] <robinl1> know any useful apps?
[04:49] <Spudly> wasp_ems: you were trying to paste into /opt/firefox, right? don't try in there. look for a ".mozilla" directory in the home directory of the user you are logged in as. Find that, then let me know
[04:51] <wasp_ems> no i was trying to past it in /opt/firefox/plugins
[04:51] <Spudly> wasp: same thing
[04:51] <Spudly> wasp_ems: don't paste there
[04:51] <wasp_ems> then where?
[04:51] <Spudly> i've just told you twice :)
[04:51] <shreevatsa> what's the difference between "pure display" and "glass display" in Katapult?
[04:51] <wasp_ems> sorry
[04:51] <Spudly> read what i wrote above
[04:51] <kkathman> closeasperil:  still here?
[04:52] <closeasperil> si senor
[04:52] <Spudly> and I quote: "find the .mozilla directory in the home directory of the user you are logged in as"
[04:52] <shreevatsa> (Of course, if I can't tell the difference, then it must be something that doesn't matter (to me), but I'd still like to know)
[04:52] <Spudly> once you've found that dir, you'll find a "plugins" directory. If you can't find one, create one.
[04:52] <wasp_ems> Spudly: there is no mozilla dir there...
[04:52] <robinl1> ok, different question now: how to install the Xorg libs so i can compile kde apps? (i need all dev-libs available for them)
[04:52] <wasp_ems> i installed firefox in /opt...why should a file of filefox be in home?
[04:53] <shreevatsa> wasp_ems: It's ".mozilla", so it will be hidden. It stores your settings
[04:53] <kkathman> closeasperil:  two things you can try....first, and the easiest I suppose if you are fortunate ... reinstall.  But you can also go to synaptic and try to just remove the kde things,  but thats dangerous, because ubuntu is TERRIBLE in being able to know what all to remove
[04:53] <Spudly> wasp_ems: firefox can be used by more than one user, so often settings and extra files (eg plugins) are stored per-user, so each user can have different settings/files
[04:54] <kkathman> lastly, you could install ubuntu-desktop and use gnome I suppose
[04:54] <wasp_ems> ok..but still there is nothing i the home directory
[04:54] <howcomes> Is there any statistics stating how many ppl are using Kubuntu :P
[04:54] <Spudly> wasp_ems: i suggest, if this is confusing, that you search google.com for 'multi user environment'
[04:55] <robinl1> ok, different question now: how to install the Xorg libs so i can compile kde apps? (i need all dev-libs available for them)
[04:55] <Spudly> wasp_ems: there is probably a setting to view hidden files/dirs - otherwise, if you are using a terminal, run "ls -al"
[04:55] <shreevatsa> wasp_ems: Files and directories beginning with a dot are hidden by default
[04:55] <closeasperil> kkathman: thanx for the effort but now things work again and not all of the settings were lost just the wallpaper and something with the controlbars, but was good not to be alone in this terrible tide of kde mess :D
[04:55] <robinl1> (sorry i keep repeating my questions, but i don't get answer often here oO)
[04:55] <Spudly> Xorg libs should be installed thru synaptic
[04:56] <robinl1> libs for kde, everything needed to compile kDE apps
[04:56] <kkathman> closeasperil:  well sorry you experienced that...unfortunately, kubuntu people always want to be one of the first to get the new KDE and this is what happens :(
[04:56] <wasp_ems> Spudly: ok now i got it..thank u..so i paste in mozilla?
[04:56] <robinl1> i mean, what packages are they?
[04:57] <Spudly> wasp_ems: in the .mozilla dir there will be a plugins directory
[04:57] <Spudly> wasp_ems: find the plugins directory, and paste into that directory - that's a plugins directory where you can put all the plugins you want
[04:57] <closeasperil> kkathman: yeah indeed...the kubuntu.de said nothing about it beeing buggy. but nevermind, ill be off, have a nice one. cheers
[04:57] <wasp_ems> Spudly: ok..very nice..but since i dont know how to do it through the terminal how can i do it?
[04:58] <kkathman> closeasperil:  good luck
[04:58] <robinl1> i mean, what packages are they?
[04:58] <closeasperil> :P
[04:58] <Spudly> robinl1: go hunting :)
[04:58] <illminime> exit
[04:58] <illminime> omg
[04:58] <shreevatsa> Katapult has two display options, "Pure Display" and "Glass display". Could someone tell me what they are?
[04:58] <Spudly> robinl1: that'll keep ya busy :P
[04:58] <Spudly> wasp_ems: do you want to use Konqueror
[04:58] <Spudly> wasp_ems: or the terminal?
[04:58] <robinl1> Spudly: no i mean what's the name of the libs
[04:59] <Riddell> shreevatsa: different eyecandy
[04:59] <wasp_ems> Spudly: the terminal so i can learn some things...i went through the terminal into the mozilla dir, into firefox but there is not plugins dir
[04:59] <shreevatsa> Riddell: I guessed as much; but I couldn't tell them apart :)
[04:59] <shreevatsa> Riddell: If I can't tell them apart, I shouldn't care about them, but I still want to know :)
[05:00] <robinl1> Spudly: no i mean what's the name of the libs
[05:00] <Spudly> wasp_ems: under the terminal, you need to find out where the file you want to copy is.... find that out, then we can use the following commands:
[05:00] <Spudly> cd .mozilla/plugins
[05:00] <Spudly> cp <filename> .
[05:00] <Spudly> robinl1: have you ever used synaptic? they'll be a list of kde-libs that you can install - a whole pike of different ones I'd imagine
[05:00] <robinl1> Spudly: i have Adept here/
[05:00] <robinl1> i installed kubuntu from scratch (kubuntu cD)
[05:01] <wasp_ems> Spudly: ok i found where they are
[05:01] <apacheLAGger> MrJangles: webmin
[05:02] <apacheLAGger> MrJangles: though you'd have to use latest from webmin.com for apache
[05:02] <MrJangles> thanks
[05:02] <Spudly> robinl1: i haven't used adept, does it give you a list of packages from different groups? (eg devel)
[05:03] <wasp_ems> Spudly: and there is no plugins directory
[05:03] <robinl1> Spudly: no
[05:03] <SeicherlBoB> Hi! when i try to burn an image with K3B, it tells me, that cdrecord has no permissions to open the device. how can i fix that
[05:04] <Spudly> wasp_ems: ok, create one
[05:04] <wasp_ems> Spudly: how do i do that?
[05:05] <Spudly> wasp_ems: should be pretty straight forward in Konqueror - check out the menu's
[05:05] <wasp_ems> yeah but through konqueror i can see them
[05:05] <wasp_ems> cant
[05:06] <Spudly> wasp_ems: if you're using konqueror, there's a menu option to 'View Hidden Files'
[05:06] <Spudly> wasp_ems: have you looked for it yet?
[05:06] <Spudly> or 'Show Hidden Files' - something like that
[05:06] <pussfeller> SeicherlBoB: i think you need to run k3b as sudo and then do the setup wizard
[05:07] <pussfeller> altho, the package should have taken care of all that
[05:07] <SeicherlBoB> when i run the wizard, the window is empty (he prompts for password before).
[05:07] <trollig> rsync frontend?
[05:07] <trollig> anybody knows one?
[05:08] <wasp_ems> Spudly: ok i did it
[05:08] <wasp_ems> Spudly: thanx
[05:08] <wasp_ems> Spudly: hopefully it will work now
[05:09] <Spudly> wasp_ems: np - i suggest you spend some time navigating around
[05:09] <Spudly> wasp_ems: get familiar with where things are, delete stuff, re-install a few times :)
[05:09] <SeicherlBoB> pussfeller: could it be the problem, that chrecord.mmap has no write for user and world?
[05:09] <Spudly> wasp_ems: i think many folk here will testify that you can learn a great deal by simply stuffing things up and realising your mistakes
[05:09] <Spudly> anyone?
[05:10] <dr_wu> spudly- yes. i contend that if you aren't inclined to mess things up for sport and education, then you should stick to windows.
[05:10] <wasp_ems> Spudly: i know but i dont have that much time to do it..i want to first fix it all up..i keep notes when i am told stuff..so i can use it perfectly and then slowly slowly i will learn
[05:10] <SeicherlBoB> dr_wu: somehow you are so right!
[05:11] <Spudly> wasp_ems: notes are great. what is restricting your time?
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[05:12] <SeicherlBoB> can anybody help me with my cd-burn prob? k3b keeps telling me, that chrecord has no rights to open the device
[05:13] <trollig> ah, grsync if anyone bothers :-)
[05:13] <SeicherlBoB> and k3bsetup will only show an empty window
[05:13] <dr_wu> SeichlerBoB- has it ever worked before?
[05:13] <SeicherlBoB> nope, my first try
[05:13] <dr_wu> SeicherlBob- then it is likely not setup properly. I would advise uninstalling, then reinstalling.
[05:14] <dr_wu> SeicherlBob- you are probably missing libraries, but thats just a guess.
[05:15] <SeicherlBoB> ah! running k3b with sudo from console helps
[05:15] <SeicherlBoB> but can i fix that anyway? cause it sucks to always start it that way.
[05:15] <dr_wu> SeicherlBob- yes, i recall that earlier versions of K3b required you to run it as root first to set it up. maybe that's what's happening here too..
[05:16] <SeicherlBoB> but when i start the setup, the window stays empty. not a single button (except "ok" and stuff)
[05:19] <dr_wu> SeicherlBob- yeah, you are probably missing some components of the program.
[05:19] <SeicherlBoB> any suggestions on howto fix that except reinstalling?
[05:19] <dr_wu> no, sorry.
[05:19] <SeicherlBoB> ok. thanks. i'll try a reinstallation.
[05:20] <dr_wu> good luck.
[05:20] <SeicherlBoB> thx. can't be that hard. its "just" k3b, not a mysql-server or anything critical
[05:20] <dabbler> what are the main improvements in KDE3.5.1 ?
[05:20] <SeicherlBoB> but, does anybody know a good reason why my thinkpad keeps hangig when leaving hibernation?
[05:21] <SeicherlBoB> all i get is a couple of strange stripes, when kubuntu is starting.
[05:23] <wasp_ems> does anyone know how i can run a program from windows into linux?
[05:24] <pussfeller> either vmware or use wine and cross yer fingers and cuss alot
[05:24] <wasp_ems> thanx
[05:24] <pussfeller> actually alot of programs work fine with wine
[05:25] <wasp_ems> and how can i change the permissions from a file??
[05:25] <SeicherlBoB> chmod <options> file
[05:25] <SeicherlBoB> wasp_ems: and check "man chmod" for the option-stuff.
[05:25] <pussfeller> either 'man chmod' or right click on it in konqy and "properties"
[05:26] <wasp_ems> can you make that litle clearer
[05:26] <SeicherlBoB> find the file in konqueror
[05:26] <SeicherlBoB> rightclick => properties
[05:26] <Spudly> hehehe
[05:26] <SeicherlBoB> and look
[05:27] <Spudly> SeicherlBoB: do you feel like you're giving a Windows 95 tutorial?
[05:27] <SeicherlBoB> a bit
[05:27] <pussfeller> pussfeller prepares to discourse about user,group and other
[05:27] <SeicherlBoB> OR (the real way): goto console (shell) and type "man chmod"
[05:27] <SeicherlBoB> and read carefully
[05:27] <MrJangles> is there a graphical html prog out for linux?
[05:27] <SeicherlBoB> MrJangles: prog?
[05:28] <MrJangles> program
[05:28] <Spudly> MrJangles: give a windows equivalent
[05:28] <SeicherlBoB> MrJangles: you mean a wysiwyg?
[05:28] <pussfeller> MrJangles: nvu i think
[05:28] <SeicherlBoB> LOL
[05:28] <MrJangles> front page, dreamweaver
[05:28] <Spudly> MrJangles: try 'vim' :P
[05:28] <pussfeller> openoffice does some html
[05:28] <SeicherlBoB> Spudly: yeah!
[05:28] <dabbler> I have a Benq DW1640 (DVD writer) that hangs k3b requiring a hard reset........any advice?
[05:28] <Spudly> SeicherlBoB: hehe
[05:28] <trollig> MrJangles: maybe they'll provide frontpage for linux anytime soon :-)
[05:29] <MrJangles> lol
[05:29] <trollig> MrJangles: but you may have a look at quanta
[05:29] <Spudly> MrJangles: you could use the Composer that comes with Mozilla
[05:29] <pussfeller> dreamweaver runs in wine too , at least a few version i think
[05:29] <SeicherlBoB> trollig: never ever will i use this bunch of ........ ******
[05:29] <MrJangles> pussfeller: ya i was thinking of that
[05:29] <pussfeller> also bluefish
[05:29] <trollig> SeicherlBoB: oho!!
[05:30] <pussfeller> but i would just use vim or kate
[05:30] <MrJangles> bluefish doesnt have a graphic interface to create tables does it?
[05:30] <MrJangles> i just like making my tables with software, saves me time
[05:30] <dabbler> *i'm wondering what this does
[05:30] <`Nomad> !skype
[05:30] <ubotu> skype is, like, totally, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages/
[05:30] <MrJangles> but if dreamweaver works in wine, even better
[05:31] <`Nomad> not the latest though
[05:31] <`Nomad> usually older versions
[05:31] <MrJangles> dw 4
[05:31] <Spudly> later fellas and ladies
[05:31] <trollig> SeicherlBoB: I get my html templates together in quanta to integrate them in some cms (typo3 preferably) and it works fine.
[05:31] <`Nomad> NVU is wysiwyg but ...
[05:31] <MrJangles> i dont like the newer versions
[05:31] <trollig> beside the frequent crashes :-)
[05:31] <`Nomad> Quanta seems to be it! yes
[05:31] <MrJangles> i'll check out this Quanta too :)
[05:32] <`Nomad> Anyone using skype here?  I get the weirdest feedback, like my soundcard line pipes in to my mic line.. unuseable :(
[05:32] <`Nomad> I'm using headphones
[05:32] <dabbler> switch the speakers off :)
[05:32] <SeicherlBoB> trollig: i use ultraedit in windoze to make my php-sites.
[05:33] <`Nomad> Oh.. For web development, anyone using Eclipse with the php plugin?  I'm seting it up now to see..
[05:33] <trollig> SeicherlBoB: and I don't use windows if I can help it :-)
[05:33] <`Nomad> dabbler: headphones, no speakers.. At both ends
[05:33] <trollig> SeicherlBoB: but I do nevertheless. Occasionally
[05:33] <`Nomad> trollig: I installed qemu with win98 last night, to have IE 6 for testing,.  Pretty good, and free! :)
[05:34] <SeicherlBoB> trollig: i'm trying to get rid of it ;)
[05:34] <trollig> `Nomad: I run win on vmware if I really need it
[05:34] <`Nomad> trollig; I'd love to be able to compare qemu with vmware on my machine..
[05:34] <`Nomad> humm.. I shoudl look if they have a trial
[05:35] <dabbler> 'full-duplex' comes to mind
[05:36] <mariusz> alo
[05:37] <`Nomad> dabbler: Good point, thanks..
[05:37] <mariusz> czy jest mi ktos w stanie pomuc??
[05:37] <`Nomad> where do I see this setting for full or half-duplex?  Not in kmix is it?
[05:37] <`Nomad> !cz
[05:37] <ubotu> `Nomad: Not a clue. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[05:37] <`Nomad> oh well, i tried :)
[05:38] <flipjarg> Does anyone know if that spell checking thing in Konqueror works in any other web browsers?
[05:38] <brodel> in line spell checking? I haven't seen it anywhere else, but I wish firefox had it.
[05:38] <rysiek> hi there guys
[05:38] <rysiek> having a little problem here
[05:38] <`Nomad> In sources.list, can we have  a list of mirrors for a repo?
[05:38] <dabbler> system settings - sound & multimedia
[05:38] <flipjarg> Yeah, i wanted to get it working in Firefox.
[05:38] <flipjarg> Oh well.
[05:39] <dabbler> sound system -> hardware
[05:39] <rysiek> when I boot-up Kubuntu from GRUB, I get a kernel panic
[05:39] <rysiek> (where on earth have I written the err msg?)
[05:39] <`Nomad> dabbler: Full-duplex is unchecked.. Should it be?
[05:40] <dabbler> probably not
[05:40] <`Nomad> ok
[05:40] <dabbler> mine isn't
[05:40] <`Nomad> I also wish teh mic would work liek it did in windows, be muted by default, and turned on by teh app when in use..
[05:41] <`Nomad> Is that teh way it works in kubuntu too?  If so I probably need to look at the whole sound config on my system
[05:42] <dabbler> using laptop or pc ?
[05:42] <`Nomad> PC
[05:42] <`Nomad> Audigy card
[05:42] <rysiek> ok, whatever, trying again and this time writing the msg down somewhere at hand ;)
[05:42] <rysiek> cu later
[05:42] <`Nomad> The sound system is a mystery to me, old sysadmin guy
[05:43] <dabbler> laptop has mike......just wobdering if you had 2 mics open
[05:43] <dabbler> wondering
[05:43] <`Nomad> good point too
[05:43] <`Nomad> but no :)
[05:43] <dabbler> mids gone blank  :)
[05:43] <dabbler> minds
[05:43] <flipjarg> i just visited the Firfox IRC channel on irc.firefox.com
[05:44] <`Nomad> Hum... I have headphones, so teh speakers don,t make a sound, but I had VLC streaming a radio station and my buddy on teh other side coul dhear the music..
[05:44] <flipjarg> they said in firefox 2 the inline spellchecker will be there
[05:44] <`Nomad> I have misdirections somewhere
[05:44] <dabbler> strange
[05:44] <`Nomad> Under Audio Device, it's set to auto..
[05:44] <`Nomad> maybe I shoudl force it in to one selection
[05:45] <`Nomad> OSS or ALSA?
[05:45] <dabbler> experiment  :))
[05:45] <`Nomad> I am :)
[05:46] <dabbler> mute your mike and talk  :))
[05:46] <`Nomad> I'm really impressed with how ahead linux finally is fo ra desktop.. I plugged in a USB scanner earlier and it just worked.. :)
[05:46] <`Nomad> If I could only convinve my printer to do th esame.. Damn you CUPS!!!!  :)
[05:46] <dabbler> Kubuntu is awesome
[05:47] <`Nomad> I wonder if it,d be worth it to switch from qemu to kqemu (with the accelarator)
[05:47] <dabbler> my DVD writer hangs my pc tho  (Benq DW1640)  :((
[05:47] <`Nomad> anyone using it?
[05:47] <dabbler> nope
[05:47] <`Nomad> it's a new DVD model?
[05:47] <thoreauputic> `Nomad: re printer - sometimes choosing a different driver works
[05:47] <dabbler> dont even use skype  :)
[05:48] <`Nomad> Love the nick:  A reference to Thoreau teh wroter?
[05:48] <dabbler> bought it last year Dec
[05:48] <`Nomad> writer?
[05:48] <thoreauputic> `Nomad: think "Civil Disobedience", not "Walden" ;)
[05:48] <`Nomad> both ar egood!! ;)
[05:48] <thoreauputic> indeed
[05:49] <`Nomad> Are you a fan of Ishmael as well?
[05:49] <thoreauputic> heh - not familiar with that one
[05:49] <`Nomad> Daniel Quinn.  Very good, must read!
[05:49] <dabbler> the writer hangs linux totally :(
[05:49] <`Nomad> dabbler: so you can read and all, but not use it to burn
[05:49] <`Nomad> :(
[05:50] <`Nomad> kind asucks as a writer..
[05:50] <`Nomad> not Quiin, the DVDwriter :)
[05:50] <thoreauputic> we gathered ;)
[05:51] <kkathman> hey thoreauputic ;:)
[05:52] <kkathman> cheers mate
[05:52] <thoreauputic> kkathman: hi there :)
[05:52] <kkathman> thoreauputic:  how ya be? ok?
[05:52] <thoreauputic> kkathman: not bad -rather busy lately
[05:52] <kkathman> well thats better than the alternative :)
[05:52] <dabbler> hangs when i open previous session........my Sony CDR works fine
[05:52] <thoreauputic> indeed
[05:54] <dabbler> have to use the Sony for backups etc
[05:55] <dabbler> keep on having to swop drives which is a pain
[05:55] <kkathman> I love that topic - "kword slightly broken"
[05:55] <kkathman> they KNOW that and release it?
[05:55] <dabbler> be specific :))
[05:55] <kkathman> got news for em...3.5.1 is "slightly broken" too :)
[05:55] <kkathman> hehe
[05:55] <dabbler> lol
[05:56] <`Nomad> slightly???? :)
[05:56] <dabbler> any major improvements
[05:56] <kkathman> hehe ok
[05:56] <kkathman> slightly is relative I suppose
[05:56] <`Nomad> I lost xmms, krita, and a few others I forget..
[05:56] <dabbler> maybe my DVD writer will work  :))
[05:57] <`Nomad> If you rub two DVD-R together and wish really hard!! :)
[05:57] <dabbler> lol
[05:57] <kkathman> `Nomad:  my desktops got rearranged, kicker faulted and showed up skewed, and kvirc now does wierd things
[05:58] <kkathman> it wasnt a great moment in the history of Kubuntu
[05:58] <kkathman> and my problems seem to be minor compared to others
[05:58] <dabbler> is it an offial release...or testing?
[05:58] <`Nomad> officially testing I think ;)(
[05:58] <dabbler> lol
[05:59] <kkathman> `Nomad:  the Microsoft approach - release it and let everyone beta it for us
[05:59] <dabbler> lol
[05:59] <`Nomad> is there news of coming fixes then? anyone heard anything?
[05:59] <kkathman> IBM used to do that too
[06:00] <kkathman> `Nomad:  well yah... remove your 3.5.1 repository and do a --reinstall kubuntu-desktop :)
[06:00] <kkathman> hehe
[06:00] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> hey everyon
[06:00] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> e
[06:00] <dabbler> hey there
[06:00] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> I have just installed ati drivers on breezy
[06:01] <`Nomad> kkathman: really?? It,s that easy?
[06:01] <dabbler> dont have one  :)
[06:01] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> but am having troubles running the aticonfig as it requested at the end of the installation
[06:01] <paulvolk> Hey
[06:01] <`Nomad> I wouldn't lose anythign added on since?  Which is not much anyway... Hummmmm
[06:01] <paulvolk> How would I configure what OS grub picks by default?
[06:02] <`Nomad> paul: /boot/grub/grub.conf I believe
[06:02] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> when I try to "sudo sh aticonfig" it says it cannot execute binary file
[06:02] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: hi!
[06:02] <paulvolk> Hi
[06:02] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> how do I run aticonfig?
[06:02] <dabbler> have you upgraded recently ?
[06:02] <SeicherlBoB> does anybody know a good reason why my thinkpad keeps hangig when leaving hibernation?
[06:02] <SeicherlBoB> all i get is a couple of strange stripes, when kubuntu is starting.
[06:02] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: so how is it working for you?
[06:02] <paulvolk> beefsprocket: Thanks I got it running.
[06:02] <paulvolk> It is great
[06:02] <`Nomad> RUFF; you lose the app in a shell you can't see..
[06:02] <beefsprocket> good good
[06:03] <`Nomad> what,s the command to su to root teh right way?
[06:03] <paulvolk> thinking about switching my other linux to Kubuntu now
[06:03] <dabbler> sudi su
[06:03] <`Nomad> paulvolk:  You should! :)
[06:03] <dabbler> sudo dsu
[06:03] <dabbler> sudo su    jeez
[06:03] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> 'Nomad, what do you mean I lose the app in a shell?
[06:03] <`Nomad> not sudo su -    ?
[06:03] <`Nomad> running sh before the command
[06:04] <`Nomad> sorry, I can't seem to explain it better
[06:04] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> 'Nomad, can you give me an example of how I should run aticonfig?
[06:04] <paulvolk> do you run Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[06:04] <`Nomad> I am still pretty high from my coffe.. I have to cut back on teh stuff..
[06:04] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> lol
[06:04] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> I'm running Kubuntu
[06:04] <paulvolk> cool
[06:04] <`Nomad> did you try " sudo aticonfig "
[06:05] <`Nomad> why sh?
[06:05] <paulvolk> What would I do to change the Grub defaut to select windows instead of Linux?
[06:05] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> 'Nomad, because I don't know what I'm doing =)
[06:05] <`Nomad> LOL
[06:05] <`Nomad> well you're honest, that's great!  LOL
[06:05] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> haha
[06:05] <dabbler> change order in grub
[06:05] <paulvolk> Ya how?
[06:05] <`Nomad> do sudo aticonfig then
[06:06] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> I just tried "sudo aticonfig" and it says error while loading shared libraries libfglrx_pp.so cannot open shared object file: no such file or dir
[06:06] <dabbler> use 'kdesu kwrite' and open grub
[06:07] <paulvolk> ok
[06:07] <paulvolk> where is grub located?
[06:07] <dabbler> but be careful  :)
[06:07] <paulvolk> I will
[06:07] <`Nomad> RUFF: There, it works, but you're missing some libraries..
[06:08] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> looks like I'm missig the openGL libs
[06:08] <dabbler> goto '/boot/grub/menu.lst'
[06:08] <`Nomad> try RUFF: yup
[06:08] <`Nomad> yes, menu.lst!
[06:08] <`Nomad> thanks
[06:09] <rysiek> hi again - no luck
[06:09] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> when I run fglrxinfo it says extension "XFRee86-DRI" missing on display":0.0"
[06:09] <rysiek> here's the problem again:
[06:09] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> so it looks as if I have the drivers, but they are not properly configured
[06:09] <rysiek> when I boot-up Kubuntu from GRUB, I get:
[06:09] <rysiek> Kernel panic - not syncing: I/O error reading memory image
[06:10] <rysiek> and then system stops - have to reboot. now i'm on Kubuntu Live
[06:10] <rysiek> any ideas?
[06:10] <dabbler> thats a nasty one :(
[06:10] <`Nomad> I know nothign about teh sound system.. :(   Are ALSA and OSS supposed to be exclusive?
[06:10] <rysiek> thx dabbler
[06:10] <rysiek> I whink I knwo that already ;)
[06:10] <dabbler> lol
[06:10] <`Nomad> !glx
[06:10] <ubotu> `Nomad: Bugger all, I dunno. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[06:10] <`Nomad> !opengl
[06:10] <ubotu> My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, `Nomad
[06:11] <`Nomad> lol
[06:11] <rysiek> dabbler: any ideas? googling right now maybe
[06:11] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> how do I get the libfglrx libraries?
[06:11] <rysiek> I will find something
[06:12] <dabbler> no idea about that one !
[06:12] <rysiek> why oh why did I want to mangle with GNU/Hurd today?.. :)
[06:12] <ninnghizidha> Hello! I got problems with Kopete: KDE restarts immediatly when I open a Chat-window.
[06:12] <`Nomad> rysiek: From now on I'm gonna test new OS in qemu if they run there
[06:12] <ninnghizidha> i got no idea how to fix it.
[06:13] <rysiek> Nomad: does QEMU run on Kubuntu? :)
[06:13] <asraniel> i installed the ATI drivers, now all fonts are too big, what can i do?
[06:13] <rysiek> I thought it's MacOS X specific
[06:13] <`Nomad> rysiek: yes, discoevered that yesterday, running win98 now in it's own little prison!!  hehehehe
[06:13] <`Nomad> !qemu
[06:13] <ubotu> qemu is, like, an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo or http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=200357&postcount=1
[06:14] <_robin> i installed the kde libs but still when i compile i get errors
[06:14] <`Nomad> and pearpc to run OS X
[06:14] <_robin> make[2] : *** Geen regel voor aanmaken doel `/usr/lib/libkickermain.la', nodig voor `kblogger_panelapplet.la'.  Stop.
[06:14] <_robin> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/robin/KDE themes/kblogger/src'
[06:14] <_robin> make[1] : *** [all-recursive]  Fout 1
[06:14] <_robin> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/robin/KDE themes/kblogger'
[06:14] <_robin> make: *** [all]  Fout 2
[06:14] <_robin> it's dutch :p
[06:14] <`Nomad> no kidding
[06:14] <`Nomad> LOL
[06:14] <rysiek> 'Nomad: ROTFLMAO :]
[06:14] <`Nomad> looks like you need the kde libs
[06:14] <`Nomad> but I forget
[06:15] <_robin> "No rule for creating target `/usr/lib/libkickermain.la', needed for `kblogger_panelapplet.la'.  Stop.
[06:15] <`Nomad> I had that a week ago..
[06:15] <_robin> yea..
[06:15] <rysiek> 'Nomad: well, I don't think anything can surprise me since my friend shown me a scrnshot:
[06:15] <_robin> where to get em?
[06:15] <rysiek> 'Nomad: Win98SE installer(!) run in QEMU on Mac
[06:15] <paulvolk> ok guys I opened up that grub menu.lst but I have no idea how to specify the default or how to change it to windows
[06:15] <`Nomad> top of the file, line is default  0
[06:15] <`Nomad> or somethign like it
[06:16] <paulvolk> Ya it is default 0
[06:16] <paulvolk> what do I change that to?
[06:16] <paulvolk> or how do I know what to change it to?
[06:16] <`Nomad> so in teh list of blocks below, pick th eone you want to eb teh default, an duse that number.. it counts from 0
[06:16] <`Nomad> oh well that's up to you :(
[06:16] <`Nomad> let me look at mine..
[06:16] <`Nomad> brb
[06:16] <_robin> how to get the kde libs?
[06:17] <ninnghizidha> adfsasf
[06:17] <paulvolk> What? I see no numbers where are they?
[06:17] <_robin> how to get the kde libs?
[06:18] <`Nomad> no numbers no, you have to count them down.. Basically, try with 1, which shoudl be teh next kernel down teh list right?
[06:18] <paulvolk> ya
[06:18] <paulvolk> but do I start form 0 or one?
[06:18] <`Nomad> best to read the docs of course, one wrong step an dyou'll have to boot with the rescur option from the CD/DVD
[06:18] <`Nomad> from 0 I would think, since it is already at 0 :)
[06:18] <`Nomad> !grub
[06:18] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[06:19] <paulvolk> ok
[06:20] <_robin> how to get the kde libs?
[06:20] <apacheLAGger> nope
[06:20] <apacheLAGger> kdebase-dev
[06:20] <apacheLAGger> apt-get install kdebase-dev
[06:20] <`Nomad> yes, that sounds right
[06:21] <apacheLAGger> then you also will need libkonq4-dev I guess
[06:21] <`Nomad> I always forget those
[06:21] <apacheLAGger> btw
[06:21] <apacheLAGger> I'm working on a deb right now
[06:22] <`Nomad> rysiek: What was in the screenshot your friend showed you?
[06:22] <rysiek> [18:15]  <rysiek> 'Nomad: Win98SE installer(!) run in QEMU on Mac
[06:22] <`Nomad> ahh yes.. :)
[06:22] <paulvolk> Hey Guys when will Kubuntu release a update to update KDE 3.4 to 3.5?
[06:22] <`Nomad> Works fine with Xp too, but can't find my CD
[06:23] <`Nomad> paulvolk: Are you kidding?
[06:23] <paulvolk> no I was realy asking?
[06:23] <paulvolk> I don't know anything about this... that is why I am asking
[06:23] <`Nomad> yup, trying to find the rigth link
[06:23] <`Nomad> !kde
[06:23] <ubotu> hmm... kde is A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[06:24] <`Nomad> nope
[06:24] <rysiek> looks like no kernel_panic-mastahs around here
[06:24] <_robin> make[2] : *** Geen regel voor aanmaken doel `/usr/lib/libkonq.la', nodig voor `kblogger_panelapplet.la'.  Stop.
[06:24] <_robin> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/robin/KDE themes/kblogger/src'
[06:24] <_robin> make[1] : *** [all-recursive]  Fout 1
[06:24] <_robin> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/robin/KDE themes/kblogger'
[06:24] <_robin> make: *** [all]  Fout 2
[06:24] <rysiek> m'kay, googling :/
[06:24] <asraniel> stop pasting!!!
[06:24] <apacheLAGger> rysiek: dude
[06:24] <apacheLAGger> read what I wrote
[06:24] <apacheLAGger> [18:21]  <apacheLAGger> then you also will need libkonq4-dev I guess
[06:24] <rysiek> didnt notice, sry man
[06:24] <`Nomad> paulvolk: you just need to add the 3.5 repository in your sources and do a dist-upgrade
[06:24] <_robin> sorry
[06:24] <`Nomad> I woudl stay away from 3.5.1 rigth now, still weird
[06:25] <paulvolk> what is the repository?
[06:25] <rysiek> apacheLAGer: wtf do I need this one?
[06:25] <gumpo> Hey, I noticed in a lot of screens of KDE there were cool widgets and such on the desktop. How do i go about getting some?
[06:25] <asraniel> i installed the ATI drivers, now all fonts are too big, what can i do?
[06:25] <apacheLAGger> rysiek: this package includes libkonq.la
[06:25] <apacheLAGger> and it is needed because it provides proxy support
[06:26] <apacheLAGger> and kblogger 0.4 uses the kde proxy settings
[06:26] <rysiek> apacheLAGger: erm... man, I am getting a kernel panic during booting
[06:26] <`Nomad> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main
[06:26] <rysiek> why on EARTH would I need proxy? :]
[06:26] <`Nomad> ryseik: You're on EARTH???
[06:27] <`Nomad> :)
[06:27] <`Nomad> sorry, caffeine
[06:27] <rysiek> 'Nomad: nope, I'm actually on Alpha Centarui, but shshshs
[06:27] <apachelogger> `Nomad: it's Kaffeine :P
[06:27] <`Nomad> lol
[06:27] <apachelogger> and I think codeine is even better :D
[06:27] <rysiek> when my parents find me i'm dead
[06:27] <rysiek> ;)
[06:27] <`Nomad> yup...
[06:28] <rysiek> whatever - I need some kerneline to get my panicalline go to hell ;)
[06:28] <`Nomad> paulvolk: you know what to do?
[06:28] <rysiek> anyone knows where to fond some good kernelline?
[06:28] <`Nomad> well I'm lost now.. :)
[06:29] <paulvolk> I I know
[06:29] <paulvolk> Yup
[06:29] <paulvolk> thanks
[06:32] <`Nomad> kkathman: So if I comment out the 3.5.1 repos, re-add the 3.5 one, update and do a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  I should be back using 3.5?  No harm done?
[06:32] <`Nomad> oh wait, a --reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[06:32] <lordrich> hi!
[06:32] <`Nomad> I see, didn,t knwo that option
[06:33] <`Nomad> hi
[06:33] <lordrich> its a english channel!?
[06:33] <`Nomad> no, that,s a body of water in Europe..
[06:33] <`Nomad> Oh yes., it is.. :)
[06:33] <rysiek> OH YOU BASTARD! I think I got the kernel panic by the balls :]
[06:33] <pipoun> hello
[06:33] <lordrich> that isnt good... because i have a big problem with i kubuntu and im german ;)
[06:33] <pipoun> anyone experiencing problems withkde and dual head?
[06:33] <`Nomad> lordrich: looking for a particular lang?
[06:33] <rysiek> grasping it reeaal tight
[06:34] <`Nomad> !de
[06:34] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[06:34] <lordrich> oh thx
[06:34] <`Nomad> dankeschund I think
[06:34] <`Nomad> ;)
[06:34] <lordrich> dankeschn ;)
[06:34] <`Nomad> thanks :)
[06:34] <lordrich> but "danke" is the short version of the word!
[06:35] <`Nomad> ahhh
[06:35] <lordrich> its more in use
[06:35] <asraniel> i installed the ATI drivers, now all fonts are too big, what can i do?
[06:35] <`Nomad> I think they're very busy inthat channel too.. :)  Kubuntu must be kicking Suse's butt!!  LOL
[06:35] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> I installed the ATI drivers but still cannot get the ATICONFIG to run
[06:36] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> 'Nomad, I checked the lib for the ati drivers and the one that it says it cannot run is there
[06:36] <rysiek> RUFF: man, you have about 2 months of fighting to get your ATI card to work
[06:36] <`Nomad> !ati
[06:36] <ubotu> rumour has it, ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[06:37] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> rysiek, really? The installer was very elegant up until this point
[06:37] <rysiek> yeah, was :)
[06:37] <`Nomad> All show and no go?
[06:37] <lordrich> i have problems with me Nvidia Geforce Go 6200 ... i have grafic problems and i cant install the right drivers
[06:37] <SeicherlBoB> does anybody know a good reason why my thinkpad keeps hangig when leaving hibernation?
[06:37] <SeicherlBoB> all i get is a couple of strange stripes, when kubuntu is starting.
[06:38] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> sudo sed -e 's/"ati"/"fglrx"/' -i /etc/X11/xorg.conf (That might work, thanks 'Nomad!)
[06:38] <`Nomad> lordrich: You can install the nvidia drivers straight from their website right?
[06:38] <rysiek> RUFFyamahaRYDER: love to help, gimme 10mins and if my kernel panic problem will be solved (and I believe it will), I'll get back and help
[06:38] <XTender> would superkaramba work with kubuntu?
[06:38] <rysiek> ok, testing the solution for this bloody kernel panic, cu later - hopefully from my sleek dark Kubuntu ;)
[06:38] <pipoun> XTender: yes
[06:38] <lordrich> nomad: what i have to do??
[06:38] <`Nomad> Xtender: why not? :)
[06:38] <lordrich> it isnt easy for me to install new drivers ...
[06:39] <XTender> i just installed kubuntu yesterday so I have alot of questions
[06:39] <XTender> first time with linux
[06:39] <`Nomad> Get teh linux drivers from nvidia, run them from a shell prompt, follow instructions
[06:39] <XTender> i'm trying to install gcc
[06:40] <`Nomad> Xtender:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com  is a great place to know   ;)
[06:40] <XTender> and i've installed it through adept
[06:40] <`Nomad> ubuntu = kubuntu = happy you!
[06:40] <XTender> but when I go to konsole and type "gcc -v" its says not found
[06:40] <`Nomad> ubotu tell Xtender about build-essential
[06:40] <lordrich> the driver name is "nvida" and when iam change "nv" to the new "nvida" driver i cant load kde
[06:40] <`Nomad> ubotu tell Xtender about gcc
[06:41] <XTender> i typed in man gcc and it says no entry
[06:41] <SeicherlBoB> can i tell kubuntu to run a programm with sudo? (except starting via console)?
[06:41] <pipoun> PRoblem: I've made an updateof kde
[06:41] <XTender> but i'm looking through adept and it says that its installed
[06:41] <`Nomad> Well I have to go and reinstall KDE 3.5, so long..
[06:41] <pipoun> and I have lost my window decoration on one screen as I am on dual screen
[06:42] <pipoun> the langages are different
[06:42] <pipoun> and some other bugs
[06:45] <_robin> kdelibs4-dev ain't the right one.. :S
[06:46] <`Nomad_Away> kkathman: Are you around?
[06:47] <`Nomad_Away> kkathman: do I have to remove kubuntu-desktop first in order to be able to reinstall 3.5?
[06:50] <scriptlogger> _robin: for?
[06:55] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> I think I found the answer to my ATI problem
[06:56] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> I had to select a linux driver for my specific Breezy installation
[06:56] <notech> hello
[06:56] <SeicherlBoB> RUFFyamahaRYDER: did you find the article in the wiki?
[06:56] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> hi
[06:56] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> yes
[06:56] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> that is what I am using
[06:56] <notech> could someone tell me where and how can i disable a linux process?
[06:58] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> rebooting... hopefully this did the trick
[06:58] <notech> could someone assist me in this operation? i think i have too many processes loaded (default installation of kubuntu) probably i dont need them all
[06:58] <sampan> notech  graphically: kysysguard has a process table.  cli: ps aux to get a list of current processes
[06:59] <notech> i see ksys.. but how do i make them not to boot the next time linux is started?
[06:59] <sampan> but unless you know what the processes are, or aren't afraid of your system being unstable, don't go just killing random ones -- many of them are important to smooth operation
[07:00] <sampan> notech  that's system settings --> system services
[07:00] <notech> could i ask here for some processes i think are not strictly necessary?
[07:00] <notech> artsd?
[07:00] <`Nomad_Away> !kubuntu-desktop
[07:00] <ubotu> `Nomad_Away: My cat's name is Mittens! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[07:00] <notech> atd?
[07:01] <ninnghizidha> Hello! My Kopete crashs when composite is enabled. I'm looking for a workaround.
[07:01] <sampan> notech, artsd = sound -- so if you want sound it's important (unless you switch to another sound server, which many recommend)  ... (btw google is your friend on process names)
[07:01] <notech> any site where is an explanation about single process?
[07:02] <notech> thanx
[07:02] <notech> googling.. :)
[07:03] <sampan> notech  having switched not long ago from windows to linux, my impression is that linux has a lot more processes up than winxp did for me.  almost all of them are not active at any given time however.  unless you're having problems, i wouldn't worry too much about the # being high
[07:03] <notech> so..i found i dont need cupsd (dont use printer while on linux) how to disable it permanently?
[07:05] <notech> sure? ..while on windows my notebook is quiete warm..but on linux it is going hot! what problem can be? processes seem to use 3% of cpu max..
[07:06] <Brez> are your fans running? :D
[07:06] <notech> want to install kubuntu to an old pc too,thought that disabling some processes could make the computer some faster than by default installation
[07:06] <sampan> might be a fan controller not kicking in often enough.  ?  not sure.  (my laptop running hoary runs cooler and less fan than with windows.)  since the cpu usage is so low, i doubt the temp problem is process-related
[07:06] <notech> lol
[07:07] <_robin> DAMN
[07:07] <_robin> noatun keeps crashing
[07:07] <notech> yeah..it gets really hot but the fan are running at max
[07:08] <notech> could is be by more RAM used than on Windows?
[07:09] <apacheLAGger> _robin: noatun?
[07:09] <apacheLAGger> why are you using noatun?
[07:09] <sampan> notech, ahhh ... linux defintely uses RAM more efficiently than windows (i.e., if you have 512 megs, it will use almost all of it,  only emptying RAM when it's needed for a new app) ... you can turn off services at system settings --> system services ... use administrator mode and then disable the ones you don't want at bootup time
[07:10] <notech> could disabing some services will speed up a pc? at least the boot time?
[07:11] <ninnghizidha> there is a great how-to for this at the tips-and-tricks-forum, notech
[07:11] <sampan> sure -- to some degree -- i dunno how much though -- i reboot like once every 4-6 months, so i never even notice boot-time ;x
[07:12] <pipoun> help: I've lost my window decoration on one of my dual screen !
[07:12] <pipoun> <hen I've upgraded to breezy
[07:13] <kernel_i386> how do I downgrade packages (dapper back to breezy distri)?
[07:14] <XTender> how do i install vlc for kubuntu?
[07:15] <sampan> xtender, vlc is in the repos.  use adept, aptitude, or sudo apt-get install vlc
[07:15] <XTender> i don't see vlc in adept
[07:16] <kernel_i386> is it best way to reinstall kubuntu instead of manually downgrad each package?
[07:16] <cinder> can sbdy tell me a repository for latest kde?
[07:16] <sampan> notech, here's a forum thread you may want to look at to speed up your boot: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=89491
[07:17] <sampan> xtender  then most likely you need to enable the repositories (universe and multiverse) -- have you done that?
[07:18] <XTender> sampan when i go to repos, i don't see any reference to multiverse
[07:18] <XTender> sampan i see a couple universe
[07:18] <kernel_i386> is it possible to use firefox 1.5 with breezy?
[07:19] <cinder> can sbdy tell me a repository for latest kde?
[07:19] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> I got the ati drivers to work via the ones from ubuntu
[07:20] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> but when I run an openGL screen saver it is really slow...
[07:20] <kernel_i386> atm there are questions than answers :P or people who could answer :D
[07:20] <cinder> can sbdy tell me a repository for latest kde?
[07:20] <kernel_i386> is it possible to use firefox 1.5 with breezy?
[07:20] <kernel_i386> :D
[07:21] <XTender> could i just go to the website and download vlc?
[07:21] <sampan> xtender  okay, on every line that ends with "universe", ADD "multiverse" -- and then make sure they are all ENABLED.  at the top of the list, make sure the CDROM is DISABLED
[07:21] <XTender> but there are difference versions of it
[07:22] <XTender> do i enter in "multiverse next to "universe"?
[07:22] <sampan> kernel_i386  yes, firefox 1.5 works with breezy (though i haven't done it -- lots have)
[07:22] <XTender> so it'll look like "universe multiverse"?
[07:22] <sampan> !firefox 1.5
[07:22] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, sampan
[07:22] <sampan> !firefox1.5
[07:22] <ubotu> You can use firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[07:22] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> I have installed 1.5
[07:22] <RUFFyamahaRYDER> works fine
[07:23] <sampan> xtender, yep - that's exactly right!  :)  make sure they're all enabled, commit the changes, and then 'fetch updates'
[07:25] <XTender> sampan thanks, it worked!
[07:25] <sampan> :D
[07:25] <sampan> enjoy!
[07:25] <XTender> sampan just curious, what is multiverse do?
[07:25] <aitor> hi, I've got a problem with usb pen devices
[07:26] <sampan> xtender, it's just a different repository.  ubuntu sorts the packages into different categories, main, restricted, universe, multiverse.  so it's a category of packages
[07:26] <XTender> i c
[07:26] <aitor> if I let kde mount it using fstab as  base, it mounts the device as readonly even though the fstab line has the options noauto,rw,exec,users
[07:27] <aitor> but if I mount with sudo mount -t vfat -w /dev/sda /mnt/iso it will have write permissions
[07:27] <aitor> which could be the reason for this?
[07:27] <notech> helo! me again..have a new problem to solve with your help
[07:28] <sampan> aitor  usb devices are mounted dynamically -- they shouldn't be in your fstab i don't think.
[07:28] <notech> in kde if i click to a game or some other links they are not working..what could it be?
[07:29] <notech> in kde menu..
[07:29] <notech> Kde start or how is this called
[07:29] <aitor> sampan, that's the way it should work, but if I don't add the fstab line, konqueror complains about /media/sda not existing, even though it exists
[07:30] <sampan> notech, that's called the "kmenu".  are there any error msgs when you click on things?  have you tried starting programs in konsole (type the name usually) to see if there are any errors?
[07:30] <aitor> nops, that's not the error... it complains about "cannot find sda at fstab or mstab"
[07:30] <sampan> aitor  yeah, some people have a bug with konq and /media/ (i'm one of those people actually). but even if konq complains when it tries to auto-display the device, it's still mounted and available.
[07:31] <notech> no,nothing heppening after i click..this happens on some programs not all..they were working time ago..
[07:31] <beefsprocket> sampan, aitor: does getting rid of ivman help?
[07:32] <sampan> notech, try opening a console and typing the name of a program that doesn't launch from kmenu in there -- see what it says
[07:32] <notech> how do i start for example frozen-bubble in console
[07:33] <aitor> beefsprocket, i'll take a look
[07:33] <sampan> beefsprocket  i dunno.  personally it's never bothered me since i use a diff file manager anyway (krusader), so i just ignore konq complaining that it doesn't exist in /media/ -- the devices are always mounted and ready to go
[07:33] <notech> i have uninstalled and installed again all not working progs..with apt-get..
[07:33] <aitor> in last months i've had too little time, and my kubuntu needs a little fix right now
[07:33] <beefsprocket> sampan: krusader rocks :)
[07:33] <notech> no positive results
[07:34] <aitor> when will dapper come out?
[07:34] <aitor> april?
[07:34] <sampan> beefsprocket  yeah it does -- krusader + krename = heaven in renaming all those mp3 files *blissful sigh*
[07:34] <notech> this happened after i changed the default runlevel..my computer boots on console now and only then i startx with sudo command
[07:35] <sampan> notech  you shouldn't startx with sudo ... that seems odd
[07:35] <notech> how do i?
[07:35] <sampan> just "startx" should bring up X as a normal user
[07:36] <notech> no,because it says i need root privileges to start it..or something like that
[07:36] <aitor> notech i had a month ago an issue with X...the solution was to destroy and then recreate the problematic user
[07:37] <notech> ?? maybe i can restore my previous runlevel and the problem will go away?
[07:37] <aitor> try so
[07:37] <notech> what was the default runlevel,3?
[07:38] <sampan> i think it's level 2 -- but in ubuntu all runlevels are the same by default
[07:39] <notech> thank you will try
[07:39] <sampan> as that great paragon of ubuntu-knowledge and virtue, Mr. nalioth, once said: "ubuntu doesn't play those runlevel games!"
[07:39] <beefsprocket> does anyone else get clipped sounds in kde 3.5.1? -- like the end of sounds just cut off
[07:40] <aitor> lately I'm having problems with damned artsd sound server
[07:40] <aitor> arstd and amarok
[07:40] <beefsprocket> ? I like gstreamer and amarok
[07:40] <paulvolk> Hello
[07:40] <beefsprocket> hello
[07:41] <monteiro> i've a dns server, that i edit, but after a while because of dhcp the dns changes to a wrong dns adress, how do i make to stay with the same dns servers without this updating ?
[07:41] <paulvolk> I have been haveing some problems adding more user accounts
[07:41] <aitor> i've tried, and installed amarok gstreamer plugin, but it won't appear on the dropdown list to select a sound server
[07:41] <aitor> only arts
[07:41] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: such as?
[07:41] <beefsprocket> aitor: that's strange -- have you tried uninstalling amarok-arts
[07:41] <beefsprocket> ?
[07:42] <sampan> i use xine with amarok -- works great thus far.  maybe it's my 10 year old sblive card, but i've never had a sound issue with kubuntu on it
[07:42] <beefsprocket> hmm, I also can't get kdevelop3 to install
[07:42] <beefsprocket> sampan: I need gstreamer because it supports http authentication
[07:43] <sampan> beefsprocket  ahhhhhh ... gotcha.  i have gstreamer installed too, but haven't used it ... sound on linux still baffles me, so as long as things aren't erroring i just leave it alone :X
[07:43] <paulvolk> When I added them I put in a password (I want to add 2 more accounts) but the password is the same for both even thoguh I try to type them in the certain user accounts. When I restart I go and try to logon to one that I created but it sasy wrong password, When I try the other I get a message saying that I must change the password imiedetly enforce by the Root. How do I get them to work?
[07:44] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: the password is not shared or anythign between users -- you have two problems
[07:44] <cinder> how can I delete the panel?
[07:45] <beefsprocket> sampan: that's my thught as well... and then i tried flight 2
[07:45] <beefsprocket> paulvolk: change the password in the account that will let you first
[07:46] <paulvolk> ok
[07:46] <sampan> cinder, you can right click it and select "configure" -- i'm not sure if you can totally remove it, but you can make it "auto-hide" and allow other windows to cover it
[07:46] <paulvolk> then what?
[07:46] <cinder> sampan: i do not want that...
[07:46] <cinder> 'cause i am using an osx like style
[07:46] <beefsprocket> then, once you login, logout and work on fixing the second user (check to make sure that there is a directory for said user in /home)
[07:47] <cinder> so i have another panel on the top
[07:47] <paulvolk> ok
[07:56] <`Nomad> reverting from 3.5.1 to 3.5..  any help? and/or suggestions?  I just remove the kubuntu-desktop an dreinstalled it but that can,t be all there is to it?
[07:57] <`Nomad> kde that is :)
[07:58] <sampan> `nomad  kubuntu-desktop is an empty metapackage (with a whole bunch of dependencies so that when you install it pulls all the kde stuff in), removing it will do nothing.  (many people remove it and their system runs fine without it, because it was empty to begin with!) ;)
[07:58] <monteiro> my kaffeine when i'm trying to view stream mov files, it says that he doesnt found the demux, but next he has found the demux but the error stays, without working the stream
[07:59] <beefsprocket> `Nomad: you need to change to kde35 repository instead of 351 in sources.list
[08:00] <kkathman> sampan yah to get rid of 3.5.1 or 3.5, you'll need to remove the repository, apt-get clear, and apt-get update...then --reinstall kubuntu-desktop I reckon
[08:00] <kkathman> that will take you back to 3.4.3
[08:00] <kkathman> even then Im not sure that works 100%
[08:01] <kkathman> debian/ubuntu - very bad when installing metas...maybe aptitude is better
[08:01] <sampan> kkathman  lol ouch!  that's precisely why i don't upgrade often.  3.4.3 is working fine; last thing i need is upgrade-headaches :D
[08:02] <Tm_T> kkathman: =)
[08:02] <kkathman> yah Tm_T told me that be the way
[08:02] <kkathman> so if your system crashes...blame it on him :)
[08:02] <sampan> hahahaha
[08:02] <Tm_T> haha
[08:02] <`Nomad> I did change the repo, so now what do I do to revert back?
[08:02] <kkathman> 3.5.1 is a mess on breezy
[08:02] <Tm_T> sampan: youknow youcan trust me ;)
[08:03] <sampan> `nomad  i think kkathman's procedure is worth a shot
[08:03] <kkathman> very release management by the Kubuntu folks I think somewhere along the line (not much testing)
[08:03] <tsdgeos> kkathman: is it? it is working here fine
[08:03] <`Nomad> bu tthere's no --reinstall
[08:03] <sampan> tm_t  oh yeah -- i've seen (and marveled!) at your work!
[08:03] <kkathman> sampan:  Tm_T 's method thank you
[08:03] <sampan> :X
[08:03] <Tm_T> sampan: =)
[08:03] <kkathman> Tm_T is all knowing
[08:03] <Tm_T> ...yay
[08:04] <sampan> kkathman  lol ... i have a story to tell you then .... ;X  except tm_t will boot me if i do
[08:04] <Tm_T> oh yeah!
[08:04] <Tm_T> kkathman: heh, you remember I told about webcam issues...
[08:04] <kkathman> yah
[08:04] <Tm_T> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121364
[08:04] <kkathman> uh oh
[08:05] <Tm_T> bug found, located, reported, fixed
[08:05] <Tm_T> community <3
[08:05] <`Nomad> kkathman: what do you mean by --reinstall ?  like    sudo apt-get --reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[08:05] <Tm_T> beat that with closed&commercial
[08:05] <sampan> is it apt-get install --reinstall    ?
[08:05] <Tm_T> aye
[08:06] <Tm_T> install --reinstall
[08:06] <sampan> w00t -- my apt-get skillz are improving
[08:06] <Tm_T> sampan: man apt-get read through x10 already? ;--P
[08:06] <sampan> lol -- yes!  i'm even going to pastebin it!
[08:06] <Tm_T> sampan: and no, don't use pastebin with it
[08:06] <Tm_T> whooooops!
[08:06] <sampan> lmao
[08:07] <slow-motion> re
[08:08] <sampan> and with that, wifey and i are going to go for a walk -- bbl
[08:09] <`Nomad> :(  That doesn,t do much, just reinstalls a 39 K file
[08:10] <`Nomad> xmms  --> segmentation fault
[08:10] <_robin> hi, can i paste some error?
[08:10] <_robin> (2 lines)
[08:10] <_robin> make[2] : *** Geen regel voor aanmaken doel `/usr/lib/libkonq.la', nodig voor `kblogger_panelapplet.la'.   I was sure I had seen both packages available
[08:14] <_robin> i have kdebase-dev and kdelibs4-dev
[08:14] <_robin> whats missing? oO
[08:14] <`Nomad> do you have kdelibs  (plain and simple)
[08:15] <_robin> kdelibs-dev
[08:15] <_robin> err
[08:15] <_robin> kdelibs4-dev
[08:15] <`Nomad> apt-cache search kdelibs
[08:15] <_robin> kdelibs-dev doesnt exist
[08:15] <`Nomad> ok, right
[08:15] <_robin> yes i know i searched all around
[08:16] <_robin> YEA
[08:16] <_robin> YES*
[08:16] <_robin> i installed the libconq
[08:16] <_robin> it now works :)
[08:17] <`Nomad> libkonq?
[08:17] <_robin> YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!
[08:17] <_robin> yea :p
[08:17] <`Nomad> also, between failed make, it's best to do a make clean right?
[08:17] <`Nomad> that sometimes is a big *?!#$@#  :)
[08:18] <`Nomad> when you forget
[08:27] <gsnedders> would 256mb ram be enough for a duron 700?
[08:30] <pussfeller> 256 ram is going to run sloggy no matter what os or cpu
[08:31] <gsnedders> and 512?
[08:31] <dark_suic> more ram == ALWAYS BETTER
[08:32] <pussfeller> it amazes me they even seel systems now with 256 ram brand new
[08:32] <`Nomad> I know..
[08:34] <gsnedders> would it run reasonably well with 512MB RAM?
[08:35] <lysis> hey; i just installed kubuntu-desktop and was hoping i could get some help.  do i need to install any different progs / codecs or anything for dvd playback, or will all of the things i did in gnome, also work in kde?
[08:35] <weedar> They should work lysis :)
[08:36] <lysis> weedar: i can't get transparencies working in it for some reason . . .   i have nvidia, latest driver, blah blah.  just can't figure out why the behavior isn't actually enabling itself . . .
[08:37] <weedar> lysis, What transparencies are you talking about? For me taskbar-transparancy worked "out of the box"
[08:37] <lysis> weedar: window
[08:39] <weedar> lysis, hang on..I seem to remember reading a great guide if you're having trouble with that
[08:42] <`Nomad> !qemu
[08:42] <ubotu> it has been said that qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo or http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=200357&postcount=1
[08:49] <krpano> how do i mount my hda1, to let me see the HD icon on the desktop ?
[08:49] <krpano> noob here...::)
[08:49] <ziza> got a question: how can I start e.g. a graphical application in a detached way from within the console? (so that the console isn't blocked until the app is closed)
[08:49] <Red_Herring> uhh
[08:49] <Red_Herring> krpano: i *think* kde 3.5.1 can do that
[08:49] <Red_Herring> but not 3.4.3
[08:49] <Red_Herring> nor 3.5.0
[08:50] <krpano> how do i see my version ?
[08:50] <Red_Herring> well
[08:50] <Red_Herring> if you dont know
[08:50] <Red_Herring> you have kde 3.4.3
[08:50] <Red_Herring> you have to go out of your way to get 3.0
[08:50] <krpano> hmm
[08:50] <Red_Herring> *3.5.0
[08:50] <Red_Herring> and even further to get 3.5.1
[08:50] <weedar> ziza, you can always make the program run in console when adding it to your K-menu
[08:50] <krpano> i see
[08:51] <Red_Herring> ziza: just open a new tab?
[08:51] <weedar> ziza, or just run it from a console window :)
[08:51] <kernel_i386> could somebody help me?.. I really need to know how to change back to breezer from dapper... without losing all my data
[08:51] <Red_Herring> uhhh
[08:51] <Red_Herring> thats very hard
[08:51] <Red_Herring> and i dont *think* its possble
[08:51] <kernel_i386> hmm..
[08:51] <Red_Herring> you could just back up all your data
[08:51] <Red_Herring> and then install breezy
[08:52] <crimsun> it's possible but a pain
[08:52] <Red_Herring> or just wait until dapper gets better
[08:52] <crimsun> you need to read man 5 apt_preferences
[08:52] <Red_Herring> which shouldnt be long
[08:52] <kernel_i386> hmm
[08:52] <kernel_i386> hmm
[08:53] <kernel_i386> okay.. I just tried to format / delete my DVD-RW .. without success - linux sucks :P
[08:53] <kernel_i386> then I take a "real" dvdr :P
[08:53] <kernel_i386> k3b stinks
[08:53] <Red_Herring> uhh
[08:53] <kernel_i386> just backup /home/user right?
[08:53] <Red_Herring> format your dvd-rw?
[08:53] <Red_Herring> why JUST format it?
[08:53] <Red_Herring> how about putting data on it
[08:54] <Red_Herring> and letting k3b format it for you
[08:54] <kernel_i386> because there is a movie on
[08:54] <Red_Herring> oh
[08:54] <kernel_i386> indeed..
[08:54] <sorush20> hi guys I can't see some of my characters any help please ? this is one of the characters I can't see
[08:54] <crimsun> what is that supposed to be?
[08:54] <kernel_i386> and now after I "forced"  him to format :D he can't read it anymore saying "bad fs bla everything is fucked up"
[08:55] <Red_Herring> sorush20: you need to install extra character sets
[08:55] <Red_Herring> !charactersets
[08:55] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[08:55] <CaffeineKills> hi there
[08:55] <Red_Herring> kernel_i386: well, i guess you need another dvd-rw
[08:56] <Red_Herring> ill email you one ;-)
[08:56] <kernel_i386> ...yes ...plus another operating system that's not a pain *g*
[08:57] <kernel_i386> ...I see it coming :D I'll have to configure everything from the beginning :D
[08:57] <Red_Herring> kernel_i386: i NEVER use dvdrw, i have 100 or so blank dvdr and they ALL work fine
[08:57] <Red_Herring> so i cant help you there
[08:57] <kernel_i386> yes.. that's what I am doing now
[08:58] <murchadh> !w32codecs
[08:58] <ubotu> w32codecs is probably a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[08:58] <sorush20> Red_Herring: I can't find anything
[08:58] <Red_Herring> kernel_i386: why did you install dapper in the first place
[08:58] <Red_Herring> murchadh: try win32codecs
[08:58] <Red_Herring> !win32codecs
[08:58] <ubotu> rumour has it, win32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[08:58] <Red_Herring> sorush20: hmm, try the language packs ubuntu comes with
[08:58] <Red_Herring> !language
[08:58] <ubotu> Red_Herring: NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[08:59] <kernel_i386> I am a noob.. my best friend that is a bit more into linux thought I'd need dapper for stuff like firefox 1.5 - which I wanted to use ... so he didn't know that dapper was "under construction" and we tried it .. and now nothing works :P
[08:59] <Red_Herring> sorush20: what language are these characters native to?
[08:59] <Red_Herring> kernel_i386: upgrading is easy, downgrading  is a bit harder, but 100x more dangerous
[09:00] <kernel_i386> yes.. so.. is it possible to reinstall breezer
[09:00] <kernel_i386> and then just copy home/user dir?
[09:00] <Red_Herring> i would just either a) wait for dapper to get stabler, any day now everythign will start workign
[09:00] <Red_Herring> or b) install breezy
[09:00] <sorush20> I think latin ?
[09:00] <Red_Herring> kernel_i386: just save the home direcotry to a dvd
[09:01] <Red_Herring> including hidden files
[09:01] <Red_Herring> which start with a "."
[09:01] <kernel_i386> yep - and links?
[09:01] <Red_Herring> there should be no links in the home folder
[09:01] <Red_Herring> !latin
[09:01] <ubotu> Did you get hit by a windmill? Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, Red_Herring
[09:01] <kernel_i386> k3b asks me something with links..
[09:01] <CaffeineKills> Does anyone know the bug where you want to edit network settings in kubuntu breezer in the KDE Interface and that you suddenly cant bring the interfaces back up, no matter what you do? not even with ifconfig <handle> up?
[09:01] <Red_Herring> see how big it is with links
[09:01] <Red_Herring> and without them
[09:01] <`Nomad> kernel_i386:  if you partition your /home to be on it,s own, then you can re-install anytiem and never worry about losing your personal stuff, even re-installing to a different linux
[09:02] <Red_Herring> CaffeineKills: try "sudo systemsettings"
[09:02] <Red_Herring> just a thought, sometimes systemsettings cant handle sudo
[09:02] <dark_suic> Red_Herring, wouldn't it be better to do "kdesu systemsetings"???
[09:02] <kernel_i386> `Nomad: how can I do that?
[09:02] <CaffeineKills> hmm its the same in admin mode, but I just found a post concerning the issue ... checking it ... brb
[09:02] <Red_Herring> dark_suic: well, i thought to do it in the terminal
[09:03] <Red_Herring> either way works
[09:03] <dark_suic> Red_Herring, kdesu also works in terminal
[09:03] <moreno> salveeee
[09:03] <Red_Herring> true
[09:03] <moreno> hiiii
[09:03] <dark_suic> and it's WAY better for graphical apps
[09:03] <moreno> why when i add a dns it say to create an alias ?
[09:03] <Red_Herring> true true
[09:03] <moreno> where i can create an alias ?
[09:03] <moreno> _
[09:03] <`Nomad> kernel_i386: you coudl do that if you did a full re-install, backing up your present home folder to another media as was suggested.. Then during install, choose to break down your disk into different partitions.
[09:03] <tsdgeos> .bashrc
[09:04] <tsdgeos> or .bash_profile
[09:04] <m8> Red_Herring:  help :((((
[09:04] <AstralSin> could someone tell me how to add video modes to KDesktop? I'm running KDE 3.5.1 and I've edited my xorg.conf, but the video modes i've changed there havent changed in KDesktop
[09:04] <Red_Herring> m8: waht?
[09:04] <murchadh> !recognizing all sound formats
[09:04] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH! Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, murchadh
[09:04] <m88> when i add a dns in network settings
[09:04] <m88> it says to create an alias first
[09:04] <Red_Herring> dns...
[09:04] <kernel_i386> to break down my disk to another parition.. hmm.. this sounds very dangerous - :P then linux will format my other hd and I lose all my data - right? *G*
[09:04] <m88> yes
[09:04] <Red_Herring> hmmm
[09:05] <Red_Herring> not sure
[09:05] <m88> in static host i can create
[09:05] <m88> but in dns not _