[18:27] <Younder> For newcomers to linux: https://www.tecmint.com/systemd-replaces-init-in-linux/
[18:28] <bunnyman13> @yokowka, is this your first ubuntu install on that machine?
[18:28] <nacc> bunnyman13: dist-upgrade is not a recommended way to do upgrades, but that *is* the manual upgrade way
[18:30] <yokowka> bunnyman13 - no, the system was update from 17.10
[18:32] <Younder> Younder, In a server environment you want to only ose LTS versions. I like to REPLACE the OS every 2 years.
[18:32] <nacc> Younder: ?
[18:33] <Younder> ose > use
[18:33] <nacc> Younder: you just said that to yourself
[18:33] <bunnyman13> @TheSilentLink The apparently if that only "manual" way doesn't work you have to change your sources
[18:33] <bunnyman13> If you've selected the traditional Debian path, you're going to need to change the /etc/apt/sources.list file and replace the name of your previous release with bionic
[18:33] <bunnyman13> If you currently have 17.10, replace artful with bionic.
[18:33] <bunnyman13> Then sudo apt update && sudo apt -y dist-upgrade
[18:33] <nacc> TheSilentLink: wait
[18:34] <leftyfb> bunnyman13: that is a BAD way to do things
[18:34] <CoJaBo> I'm thinking "hardware defect", but has anyone ever had an issue with the Ubuntu (bionic server 64-bit) CD ejecting at the start of the install? This is a first..
[18:34] <nacc> bunnyman13: there is a reason upgrades are not yet supported/enabled
[18:34] <leftyfb> bunnyman13: please stop giving bad avice
[18:34] <leftyfb> advice*
[18:34] <Younder> Seriously error in setup accumulate. Error in updates. It just becomes a pain to keep the systems running.
[18:34] <bunnyman13> @leftyfb that's what the Ubuntu website recommends in a community thread
[18:35] <hggdh> then it does so wrongly.
[18:35] <leftyfb> bunnyman13: that's what some person who doesn't know what they're doing recommended doing at some point in time. It is wrong.
[18:35] <Flannel> bunnyman13: No it doesn't.  If nothing else, it'd never recommend using -y.
[18:35] <pragmaticenigma> bunnyman13: The community thread should not be followed when there is estabilished official documentation
[18:35] <Younder> Admittingly I am not the best sysadmin in the world, but I think I convay a common experience.
[18:35] <nacc> Younder: I'm not sure who you are talking to
[18:36] <nacc> Younder: but your experience is, well, just that. There are many people who upgrade just fine.
[18:36] <TheSilentLink> upgrades have been enabled for kubuntu so they must work
[18:37] <TheSilentLink> they aren't automatically enabled
[18:37] <Younder> nacc, true. I have very custom setups. The more you add, the more trouble.
[18:37] <bunnyman13> I really can't with you guys...you guys are truly pains. anyway there are thousands of other articles which suggest doing the same thing, but yes stick to your "hopes" and "voices"
[18:37] <nacc> TheSilentLink: 17.10 upgrades got enabled in the last day or two
[18:38] <nacc> bunnyman13: stop. you are not being helpful to anyone.
[18:38] <Younder> bunnyman13, Linux is complex and confusing even to experts. What did you expect?
[18:38] <nacc> Younder: right, so that's not ubuntu -- yes, if you customize (add third party repos, especially, or non-ubuntu software), i reocmmend using a provisioning tool :)
[18:39] <Younder> nacc, I use salt
[18:39] <nacc> Younder: yeah, so then you don't need to worry about upgrades :)
[18:39] <pragmaticenigma> bunnyman13: this is the official, and only supported method for Upgrading Ubuntu via GUI: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-upgrading-ubuntu-desktop#0
[18:40] <pragmaticenigma> bunnyman13: and this is the official way of upgrading via terminal https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/installing-upgrading.html
[18:40] <nacc> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BionicBeaver/ReleaseNotes#Upgrading_from_Ubuntu_17.10
[18:40] <nacc> which is perhaps most relevant for 18.04 as serverguide has not been updated yet
[18:40] <bunnyman13> @pragmaticenigma okay
[18:40] <sergio__> Hola soy nuevo usuario de ubuntu MATE alguien podria asesorarme en unas consulta?
[18:40] <Younder> nacc, Maintaing servers you worry pretty much all the time. But most of the time the problems sre provides or my own.
[18:40] <nacc> !es | sergio__
[18:41] <nacc> Younder: yeah
[18:41] <genii> bunnyman13: dist-upgrade does not work in Ubuntu the same way as it does in Debian to move to a newer distribution. the do-release-upgrade script instead should be used, if you're doing it by cli. This will check for potential issues - like PPAs with conflicting libraries to those in the standard repositories, for instance
[18:41] <CoJaBo> Trying to boot into the recovery option also ejects the CD the moment that option is selected
[18:41] <yokowka> bunnyman13 help
[18:41] <nacc> CoJaBo: i've personally never encountered that, no.
[18:42] <nacc> CoJaBo: anything in dmesg? maybe it's getting a weird error
[18:42] <nacc> CoJaBo: although you may not be able to get to a shell if it's ejected the cd
[18:42] <bunnyman13> @yokowka, I'm looking...I'm not finding any drivers need to get more info
[18:42] <nacc> yokowka: what's your issue, no sound?
[18:42] <bunnyman13> i'm scared to suggest anything due to "bad advice" but I'm looking @yokowka
[18:43] <CoJaBo> nacc: Yeh, it won't load the recovery shell either, because it ejects before getting there too
[18:43] <bunnyman13> @CoJaBo what happened?
[18:43] <CoJaBo> In both cases, it just seems to hang; he can hit Alt+Fx, but it just shows a blinking cursor
[18:44] <CoJaBo> bunnyman13: CD drive has premature ejection issues.
[18:44] <nacc> CoJaBo: weird
[18:44] <yokowka> nacc i can't listen to music, see movies only video plays....
[18:44] <nacc> CoJaBo: peculiar hardware
[18:44] <CoJaBo> I'm thinking it's probably a hardware issue :/
[18:44] <nacc> yokowka: is pulseaudio running (ps aux | grep pulse)
[18:44] <bunnyman13> really weird....sounds like hardware issue
[18:44] <nacc> CoJaBo: that was meant to be a question, sorry :)
[18:44] <CoJaBo> It's one of those slim trayless drives. This is on a rackmount server
[18:45] <yokowka> nacc ps aux.... wrights in terminal?
[18:45] <nacc> yokowka: yes, at a shell prompt
[18:45] <nacc> CoJaBo: ah
[18:45] <nacc> CoJaBo: any reason you are using CD instead of, say, USB?
[18:46] <CoJaBo> nacc: USB ports on the machine seem to be completely dead; he had to actually go out and buy a PS/2 keyboard to even get it to do anything
[18:46] <yokowka> here it is: root      1230  0.0  0.0   4504   692 ?        Ss   21:05   0:00 /bin/sh /snap/pulseaudio/9/bin/pulseaudio
[18:46] <yokowka> root      1453  0.0  0.2 388568  9100 ?        S<l  21:05   0:00 /snap/pulseaudio/9/usr/bin/pulseaudio --exit-idle-time=-1 --disallow-exit=yes --system -F /snap/pulseaudio/9/etc/pulse/default.pa -p /snap/pulseaudio/9/usr/lib/pulse-8.0/modules -n
[18:46] <nacc> CoJaBo: sounds like rather buggy hardware
[18:47] <leftyfb> Is pulse really installed as a snap by default in 18.04?
[18:47] <nacc> leftyfb: no.
[18:47] <bunnyman13> @CoJaBo....this is gunna be a terrible suggestion but...install ubuntu on the disk from another computer...Wait is this on a Server?
[18:47] <leftyfb> heh
[18:47] <nacc> yokowka: is this an ubuntu core installation
[18:47] <leftyfb> self-inflicted then
[18:47] <Younder> nacc, I believe people shod learn sysctl and stop depending on service. That is the biggest issue. But service sort of works
[18:47] <leftyfb> ah, even worse
[18:47] <nacc> leftyfb: i've got a fresh 18.04 install in front of me
[18:47] <spikebike> In 18.04 thunderbird, images show up in the index view, overlapping other messages even, anyone know what that feature is called?
[18:47] <CoJaBo> bunnyman13: 1U rackmount with a funky CD drive; it only fits a slim one.
[18:47] <spikebike> snakes, flags, stars, etc.
[18:48] <yokowka> nacc core installation? what is that?
[18:48] <nacc> yokowka: you are running a snap of pulseaudio, did you install it by hand?
[18:48] <bunnyman13> @CojaBo, damn...i'm sorry...
[18:48] <Younder> nacc: cron sort of works.
[18:48] <CoJaBo> I'm thinking best way is going to be to just pull the server and plug in a full-size drive just for the install. Cant even replace the slim, because they don't have any spares that size
[18:48] <nacc> yokowka: ubuntu core (meant for IoT etc)
[18:48] <CoJaBo> Stupid.
[18:48] <nacc> Younder: systemctl you mean? not sure that is a big issue, but you can fight your windmills as you see fit :)
[18:49] <nacc> CoJaBo: frustrating, but you might be right
[18:49] <yokowka> nacc maybe
[18:49] <bunnyman13> @CoJaBo that's scary and unstable but if thats the only way that's what i would do.
[18:49] <nacc> yokowka: what do you mean maybe? you don't know what's installed?
[18:49] <Younder> nacc, Will do: Thanks cevantes
[18:49] <nacc> Younder: :)
[18:49] <yokowka> nacc - yes, i'm a newer in ubuntu
[18:49] <bunnyman13> if not....open the server and use the SATA ports for install HD idk throwing stuff out there
[18:49] <nacc> yokowka: how did you install this machine?
[18:50] <ioria> Younder, cervantes
[18:50] <Younder> rotfl
[18:50] <yokowka> nacc i have ubuntu 17.10 then update to 18.04
[18:50] <CoJaBo> bunnyman13: It's a dual-Xeon CPU and mobo, not something easily just replaced rofl
[18:51] <nacc> yokowka: hrm, then you wouldn't have been on a core image
[18:51] <nacc> yokowka: not sure ubuntu core 18 is out yet anyways
[18:51] <bunnyman13> @CoJaBo damn...yea that's rough
[18:51] <nacc> yokowka: ok, so let's just do the easy thing ... are you running the stock ubuntu desktop?
[18:52] <yokowka> stock? i work with desktop of highely named ubuntu version
[18:52] <nacc> yokowka: `sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop -s` what does it say it will do?
[18:52] <nacc> yokowka: 'highly named'? what do you mean
[18:52] <yokowka> nacc nevermind
[18:53] <ioria> i think 'popular'
[18:53] <TheSilentLink> When installing kubuntu along side windows do I have to mount the efi partition?
[18:53] <bunnyman13> @CoJaBo it might be the USB could be locked
[18:53] <yokowka> nacc Inst ubuntu-desktop [1.417] (1.417 Ubuntu:18.04/bionic [amd64])
[18:53] <yokowka> Conf ubuntu-desktop (1.417 Ubuntu:18.04/bionic [amd64])
[18:53] <bunnyman13> in the UEFI or BIOS settings
[18:53] <bunnyman13> I've seen it like once
[18:54] <bunnyman13> *USB's
[18:54] <TheSilentLink> Here is my current screen  https://i.imgur.com/jx2jbKr.jpg
[18:55] <BFGDivsion> Can someone help me with this?
[18:55] <BFGDivsion> My internet speed is awfully slow under Ubuntu
[18:55] <BFGDivsion> I'm under a wireless connection, with a Qualcomm Atheros Wifi adapter
[18:55] <CoJaBo> bunnyman13: Not sure if we checked that; he pulled the server to do the install, so probably won't be back til thats done
[18:55] <nacc> yokowka: can you pastebin the whole output?
[18:56] <iopq> how do I install proprietary AMD gpu drivers without messing everything up?
[18:56] <nacc> TheSilentLink: no, you never need to mount the efi partitionmanually
[18:56] <iopq> I'm 16.04
[18:56] <bunnyman13> @CoJaBo what i would do, is this for a client?
[18:56] <TheSilentLink> nacc: do I select the efi partition to install the boot loader on?
[18:57] <nacc> TheSilentLink: i've never had to do that myself
[18:57] <CoJaBo> bunnyman13: I'm not sure whose server it is; could be ours, could be client's
[18:57] <nacc> TheSilentLink: as in, ubuntu does the right thing, in my experience
[18:58] <banyantree> Hi guys - i need your help. My i3 config is not working after upgrading to 18.04 =( no keybindings are working anymore
[18:58] <CoJaBo> nacc: bunnyman13: ..ha, so he pulled it to plug in a fullsize drive on the bench.. the front USB wasn't even plugged in.
[18:58] <TheSilentLink> nacc: right so I create my / home and swap partition and set the boot loader location to the name of the drive not any partition right?
[18:58] <banyantree> can i do something like dpkg-reconfigure i3?
[18:59] <brainwash> iopq: the not supported fglrx? for that you have to use ubuntu 14.04.1
[18:59] <CoJaBo> If the rears are dead, the front is probably also dead nevertheless.. but wow.
[18:59] <banyantree> on upgrade i had chosen use my own configuration
[18:59] <yokowka> nacc reading sourcelist make  the tree of configuration reading system information.... ready  new 0 sources, onstalled 0, reinstalled 1, to delite 0, and 0 was updated. it's all on russian sorry for wrong translation.
[18:59] <bunnyman13> @CoJaBo....with the condition it's in...I wouldn't do anything production on that
[19:00] <CoJaBo> bunnyman13: It was running flawlessly until someone botched an OS upgrade
[19:01] <Jatto> Hello! I've just downloaded and installed Ubuntu 18.04 live server. But why is it called "live" ?  Are there any other versions for server?
[19:01] <CoJaBo> And it's not like this ones in any worse condition than half the rest.. I walked into the other site one day last year, there was literally a rack wired to net with nothing but daisy-chained 4-port soho switches.
[19:02] <Younder> Jatto, You could always turn you srver off. In which cas it woulde se 'dead'.. so no
[19:02] <bunnyman13> @CoJaBo you need to get outta there quick lol
[19:02] <CoJaBo> Install apparently started fine with the full-size drive so yeh, it was a hardware issue.
[19:03] <bunnyman13> @CoJaBo, I'm glad...hope you have a kick ass day
[19:03] <ioria> Jatto, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1028580/what-is-the-difference-between-ubuntu-18-04-server-and-ubuntu-18-04-live-server
[19:03] <Jatto> no seriously, what does the live stand for? The installation process was so unfamiliar compared to 16.04 LTS
[19:04] <nacc> yokowka: you can pastebin it and i can translate it
[19:04] <nacc> Jatto: live is the new installer (work in progress) -- #ubuntu-server
[19:04] <nacc> Jatto: it's a misnomer that it's called live, afaict, although you ca do the 'try ubuntu' thing on server with it
[19:05] <nacc> yokowka: apt-cache policy pulseaudio?
[19:06] <yokowka> nacc https://imgur.com/a/1SX68pV
[19:06] <Jatto> nacc: ok thanks ;)
[19:06] <yokowka> nacc apt-ca... wrights in terminal?
[19:07] <nacc> yokowka: yeah
[19:07] <nacc> yokowka: thanks for the screencapture
[19:07] <nacc> yokowka: yeah so i'd like to see the policy output
[19:09] <yokowka> nacc pulseaudio:
[19:09] <yokowka>   Установлен: (отсутствует) that is mean is missed
[19:09] <nacc> yokowka: my thinking is *something* i don't know what, installed pulseaudio as a snap. Possibly you did this in 17.10 (snaps are outside the distribution and the upgrades).
[19:09] <nacc> yokowka: what about `apt-cache policy ubuntu-desktop`
[19:10] <CoJaBo> bunnyman13: He's gonna pull the internal drive and mount the server back with a SATA cable hanging out the front. Yeahthat'llfixit.gif
[19:10] <nacc> yokowka: ubuntu-desktop depends (hard requires) pulseaudio. So if it's not installed, then you probably don't have the metapackage installed
[19:11] <nacc> yokowka: i wonder if simulated runs don't go through dependencies, but they should
[19:11] <yokowka> nacc how to make right?
[19:12] <yokowka> ubuntu-desktop:  Установлен: 1.417  Кандидат:   1.417  Таблица версий: *** 1.417 500 500 http://ubuntu.mirror.vu.lt/ubuntu bionic/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[19:13] <Orange_> Hi all, does anybody know of a PPA containing Python 3.6 for Ubuntu Precise?
[19:13] <nacc> Orange_: precise is eol
[19:14] <Orange_> @nacc Yeah, I know, but it's on a development board and updating cold be more hastle than it's worth
[19:14] <Orange_> *could
[19:14] <nacc> Orange_: meaning it's unsupported here
[19:14] <nacc> Orange_: and ppas are also unsupported
[19:15] <Orange_> Is there an unofficial channel where I can ask?
[19:15] <leftyfb> Orange_: https://www.ubuntu.com/support/plans-and-pricing
[19:15] <leftyfb> Orange_: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/03/14/introducing-ubuntu-12-04-esm-extended-security-maintenance
[19:15] <nacc> yokowka: ok, very strange. Can you do `sudo snap remove pulseaudio; sudo apt-get install pulseaudio` and then reboot
[19:15] <yokowka> nacc yes
[19:16] <nacc> yokowka: i'm not sure how your system is in the state it is in, tbh. i wonder if it's possible for snaps to provide metasymbols to apt, but i'm not sure if that's true outside of the seeds
[19:17] <nacc> yokowka: if what i suggested works, you should see /usr/bin/pulseaudio instead of the snap path
[19:17] <nacc> yokowka: when you run `ps aux | grep pulse` after reboot
[19:17] <yokowka> nacc bless you angels
[19:20] <ioria> nacc, he got a snap pulseaudio installed ?
[19:21] <rdias002> i'm facing this very irritating issue: while typing, my palm touches the touchpad and mouse clicks somewhere. how do i resolve this? i have enabled disable while typing in tweaks but doesn't seem to work.
[19:22] <guardian> hello, how can I always enable numlock?
[19:23] <phoenix_firebrd> where can I get help for flatpak related issues?
[19:23] <SlidingHorn> guardian: which version & flavor of ubuntu?
[19:23] <guardian> 18.04
[19:23] <guardian> sorry
[19:24] <guardian> desktop
[19:24] <guardian> gnome
[19:24] <Wirehunter> phoenix_firebrd, there is a #flatpak channel
[19:25] <yokowka> nacc i'm your owner!!!! now it's all works!!!!
[19:26] <SlidingHorn> guardian: I believe you can accomplish this using gnome-tweaks   (sudo apt install gnome-tweaks) under the layout tab
[19:26] <yokowka> nacc in source lists double lines etc/.... in number 53 and 54 how to delete them?
[19:26] <Peyam> hi I got following wireless module : iwlwifi what is the proper conky command?
[19:27] <SlidingHorn> Peyam: you might have better luck asking in #conky (not saying someone here won't know the answer, but it's not *technically* on topic)
[19:27] <nicomachus> Peyam: what?
[19:28] <SlidingHorn> (assuming you're trying to have conky display your network activity or something like that)
[19:28] <guardian> thanks
[19:31] <nacc> ioria: yeah and i'm not sure how yet
[19:31] <nacc> yokowka: nice, glad it worked :)
[19:32] <analogical> what is the name of the root folder in Ubuntu the equivalent of the Windows c:\ folder ??
[19:32] <ioria> nacc, yep, i was asking you if you know some about pre-installed snaps on bionic ...
[19:32] <nacc> ioria: checking on it now
[19:32] <Peyam> nicomachus, as SlidingHorn
[19:32] <Peyam> sad
[19:32] <Peyam> id
[19:32] <yokowka> nacc skype when i'm log in - disapeared :(((
[19:33] <nacc> yokowka: dunno what you mean
[19:33] <nacc> yokowka: oh i wonder if the skype snap depends on the pulseaudio snap now
[19:33] <SlidingHorn> analogical: /
[19:33] <thinky> bye
[19:33] <nacc> yokowka: as to your earlier question, open the file in an editor and delete the duplicates?
[19:33] <leftyfb> nacc: i'm pretty sure skype has that annoying "feature" that when it opens it immediately closes to the taskbar/notification area
[19:34] <nacc> analogical: ... in most installs it's /, but it depends, tbh
[19:34] <yokowka> nacc yes delite duplicates in source list line 53  54
[19:34] <eaglgenes101> I have a suspicion that the acceleration curve of the touchpad is causing jumpiness
[19:34] <nacc> analogical: it's better to just learn how Linux is laid out then to find analogues
[19:34] <eaglgenes101> How do I control the acceleration profile of my touchpad
[19:34] <nacc> !fhs > analogical
[19:34] <nacc> yokowka: is it what leftyfb said re: skype?
[19:35] <Draconiator> Oh hey Analog, I did that too at first.
[19:35] <leftyfb> nacc: yokowka: I'm not sure what that looks like with 18.04. I haven't had the time to go through it yet
[19:35] <eaglgenes101> um
[19:36] <nacc> leftyfb: me neither :/
[19:36] <Draconiator> I'm installing Xubeaver on my netbook now.  was waiting for something that doesn't mess up the graphics like 17.10 did
[19:36] <yokowka> nacc i dont see what you mean. i've installed program in terminal and in botom of iterminal troubles with duplicates.
[19:36] <nacc> yokowka: i don't understand what you are saying, sorry
[19:36] <yokowka> nacc skype not log in when i'm pass it. it is off then
[19:37] <nacc> yokowka: if you can use a pastebin, please do, to show exactly what you mean
[19:37] <phoenix_firebrd> Wirehunter: thanks
[19:37] <nacc> ioria: only 4 snaps are instaleld by default on ubuntu desktop: gnome-calculator, -characters, -logs, and -system-monitor
[19:37] <nacc> ioria: just an fyi
[19:38] <ioria> nacc, yeah, thanx
[19:38] <eaglgenes101> My current suspicion is that moving the pointer at a slow-moderate speed crosses the threshold between the constant-speed range and the acceleration range
[19:38] <eaglgenes101> *straddles the threshold
[19:38] <yokowka> so later. not today. one more time - be blessed by the angels and heaves. how we saying in TePAhowkA - everybody human - not. That mean you have soul!
[19:39] <yokowka> *heavens
[19:41] <guardian> I did a minimal installation of 18.04 and there's no python pre installed. What's the default python in a full install? python2 or python3?
[19:41] <eaglgenes101> python3
[19:42] <eaglgenes101> python2 can also be installed, but it's nearing end of life and the python folks strongly recommend moving everything to python 3
[19:42] <guardian> I installed etckeeper which brought python2
[19:42] <guardian> I also have python3
[19:43] <guardian> should I make "python" launch python3? is it via update-alternatives?
[19:44] <Younder> guardian, never make python python3. I did that one and half of ubuntu stopped working
[19:44] <Younder> once
[19:44] <guardian> ok so to the question "What's the default python in a full install?" the answer should have been python3?
[19:44] <Younder> It seems the interface uses PATH to find python.
[19:44] <bluj> 16.04.4 LTS- how can i change the kernel that grub boots? all 3 kernels are installed via normal package management. if i look at the grub list, the kernel i want to boot is within "Advanced boot options" sub menu. so i tried setting "GRUB_DEFAULT=1>2" as the sub menu is second in the main list, and the kernel i want is 3rd within the sub menu. then i "update-grub"... and reboot and it doesn't
[19:44] <bluj> work.
[19:45] <eaglgenes101> How do I find the DPI of an input device?
[19:45] <Younder> eaglgenes101, lsusb
[19:45] <EriC^> bluj: try using the actual names instead
[19:46] <EriC^> bluj: pastebin "grep menuentry /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[19:46] <bluj> EriC^: they're really long with spaces and mixed characters. it seems less specific to try and use that
[19:46] <EriC^> bluj: it's better
[19:46] <Bashing-om> guardian: In order to use some old scripts, I had to install ' python ' ( awaiting the author to update the scripts ) .
[19:46] <eaglgenes101> Okay, now it lists a bunch of devices, none of which is the touchpad in question
[19:46] <EriC^> and it's more specific too, numbers change, the naming wont
[19:47] <EriC^> plus easier than counting :)
[19:47] <matyd> I am running ubuntu 18.04 LTS, switched from 16.04LTS last week or so. Laptop is inspiron 15-3567, after the upgrade my battery discharges much quicker than before.. what can I begin to look into to see if there are programs causing this etc?
[19:47] <iopq> What's the best way to install AMD proprietary drivers without messing everything up on 16.04?
[19:47] <matyd> Example, I just unplugged at 100% and am already down to 96% within 5 minutes or so
[19:48] <bluj> EriC^: just copy/paste exactly what is required in the 'menuetry' string from grub.cfg, and stick that in quotes in GRUB_DEFAULT ?
[19:48] <EriC^> not all of the line
[19:48] <brainwash> matyd: did you check with powertop?
[19:48] <eaglgenes101> Younder, touchpad device isn't listed in lsusb
[19:48] <EriC^> just 'Advanced menu.. > Ubuntu with kernel blabla'
[19:48] <matyd> no i didn't is that a program?
[19:48] <brainwash> matyd: yes, it's a cli program
[19:49] <Younder> eaglgenes101, lshw?
[19:49] <bluj> EriC^: well there is for e.g.: "Ubuntu, with Linux 4.4.0-1035-aws" and "Ubuntu, with Linux 4.4.0-1035-aws (recovery mode)" how does it match? is it exactly? if not, it could choose either kernel
[19:49] <Bashing-om> iopq: The only AMD propietary is a overlay for AMD-pro driver .. and only IF your card supports that driver . AMD drivers are now open source and included in the kernel .
[19:49] <brainwash> matyd: install it, and then run it as root
[19:49] <matyd> installing now
[19:49] <matyd> ok
[19:49] <Peyam> I got 8 cores. 4 virtual and 4 physical. how do I see each cores load including the virtual ones in conky?
[19:49] <EriC^> bluj: dont put the (recovery mode) in grub, it's quite literal in what you give it
[19:49] <iopq> Bashing-om so it probably won't solve any issues?
[19:50] <Younder> Peyam, htop
[19:50] <SlidingHorn> Peyam: Seeing as your questions are about some of the basics of Conky, I really suggest asking in #conky instead for more focused support
[19:50] <bluj> EriC^: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qSQbB8CZmV/
[19:50] <Younder> Peyam, sudo apt installl htop
[19:50] <bluj> the recovery mode string is just what the regular package management decided to name that grub boot option
[19:50] <SlidingHorn> Younder: htop has nothing to do with conky
[19:51] <Younder> with one less l
[19:51] <Bashing-om> iopq: Solves so many many mnay issues - for new generation cards . Not much help for older cards .. then the only driver is the much improved open source radeon driver .
[19:51] <Younder> No It has to do with the perfromance of each core. also the logical cores 'hyperthreaded' which i thought you ment
[19:51] <matyd> brainwash: is there anyway I can pastebin that image and have others look at it? i would be lying if i said i knew exactly what was going on in there
[19:52] <EriC^> bluj: ok, so you want GRUB_DEFAULT='Advanced options for Ubuntu>Ubuntu, with Linux 4.4.0-1035-aws'
[19:52] <nusse> i'm having trouble recovering an ecryptfs homedir after changig the users password with passwd. neither old nor new password seem to work with ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase
[19:52] <EriC^> nusse: the older one should
[19:52] <iopq> Bashing-om so I have a 5850 and my issue is with using igpu at the same time as the AMD card on a different monitor
[19:52] <SlidingHorn> Younder: (wasn't trying to sound rude...I just realized my response was a bit rash)
[19:52] <EriC^> nusse: try to use passwd to change your password back
[19:52] <EriC^> and see if it decrypts fine
[19:53] <iopq> Bashing-om, could installing the proprietary driver help with that issue?
[19:53] <bluj> EriC^: turns out the submenu designation needs to be quoted? it ships with GRUB_DEFAULT=0, i tried GRUB_DEFAULT=1>2 but it wants "1>2"
[19:53] <nusse> EriC^: did that already
[19:53] <bluj> works.
[19:54] <EriC^> bluj: great
[19:54] <EriC^> *slowclap*
[19:54] <Bashing-om> iopq: pastebin: lspci -k|grep -iEA5 'vga|3d' to get the ID that I can cross to what the driver should be .
[19:54] <Younder> SlidingHorn, rash is fine, I was off target
[19:55] <nusse> does the timestamp of wrapped-passphrase indicate the time the passphrase was changed the last time?
[19:55] <EriC^> nusse: do you have the passphrase? the long one
[19:55] <rdias002> i'm facing this very irritating issue: while typing, my palm touches the touchpad and mouse clicks somewhere. how do i resolve this? i have enabled disable while typing in tweaks but doesn't seem to work.
[19:55] <bunnyman13> back from lunch
[19:55] <brainwash> matyd: maybe "sudo powertop --dump" will create an output that is pastebin-able. other than that, create a screenshot and upload it to imgur.com
[19:55] <iopq> whoops, I misremembered, it says VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Juniper PRO [Radeon HD 5750]
[19:56] <iopq> how can I check which version of the driver I'm using now
[19:57] <nusse> EriC^: no, i only have the loginpassword
[19:57] <EriC^> iopq: sudo lshw -c video
[19:57] <eaglgenes101> You know what, is it possible to determine which acceleration profile is being used by an input device in libinput?
[19:58] <nusse> i'm getting two errors: incorrect wrapping key for file [/home/user/.ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase] and error attempting to unwrap passphrase from file
[19:58] <iopq> configuration: driver=radeon
[19:58] <iopq> does that mean open source version?
[19:58] <EriC^> yes
[19:59] <EriC^> nusse: try sudo ecryptfs-recover-private
[19:59] <SlidingHorn> dumb question: is it a bug that  sudo apt install steam  recommends packages that are not available in the repos?
[19:59] <nacc> SlidingHorn: is the steam you want from the ubuntu repos?
[19:59] <SlidingHorn> nacc:
[19:59] <SlidingHorn> yes*
[19:59] <nacc> SlidingHorn: what version of ubuntu?
[19:59] <iopq> OK, so what's the recommended way to install the proprietary driver to test?
[19:59] <EriC^> iopq: sudo ubuntu-drivers device should list your options
[20:00] <matyd> brainwash, thank you.. crap have to run and get the kids. thanks again
[20:00] <SlidingHorn> 18.04 (Studio)
[20:00] <brainwash> eaglgenes101: try with "xinput --list-props <device id>". you can get the id from "xinput list".
[20:00] <EriC^> "sudo ubuntu-drivers devices" iopq
[20:00] <iopq> it outputs nothing
[20:00] <nacc> SlidingHorn: which is not present?
[20:00] <brainwash> iopq: because there are no other drivers for that gpu
[20:01] <SlidingHorn> nacc: steam-devices:i386 and nvidia-driver-libs-i386:i386
[20:01] <nusse> EriC^: unwrapping passphrase and inserting into the user session keyring failed [-5]
[20:01] <nacc> SlidingHorn: steam-devices is a suggests
[20:01] <nacc> SlidingHorn: which isn't necessary
[20:01] <nacc> SlidingHorn: and yeah, i'm not sure on the recommends of the nvidia -- as obviously you don't need that if you don't have nvidia. It probably comes from a ppa
[20:02] <EriC^> iopq: which ubuntu version is it?
[20:02] <iopq> EriC^, 16.04
[20:02] <SlidingHorn> nacc: I'm using the proprietary nvidia drivers for my 1060...hate adding ppas, but if it looks like I'll need to, then I will
[20:02] <EriC^> iopq: what does 'apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu' give for installed?
[20:03] <iopq> Installed: 1.1.2-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>
[20:03] <EriC^> nusse: try to remember your login pass that you had
[20:03] <EriC^> that's your best shot
[20:03] <nusse> the timestamp of wrapped-passphrase file is 2015, does it mean it is wrapped with a password set at that time?
[20:03] <EriC^> nusse: you could attempt to bruteforce it if it wasn't that long
[20:04] <EriC^> nusse: is that the modify time in "stat .../wrapped-passphrase" ?
[20:04] <nusse> EriC^: yes
[20:04] <iopq> how about we try to approach the problem from the other end... how do I update my intel onboard graphic drivers
[20:05] <EriC^> nusse: i guess so yeah
[20:05] <nusse> is it possible that some keyring-thing is interfering?
[20:05] <nusse> i get an error after login from tty
[20:06] <EriC^> nusse: try ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase ...../wrapped-passphrase
[20:06] <nusse> reports an error
[20:06] <EriC^> what error
[20:06] <EriC^> do you get to type the login pass?
[20:07] <nusse> yes
[20:07] <nusse> incorrect wrapping key for file
[20:08] <EriC^> nusse: i think that means the login is wrong
[20:08] <EriC^> are you absolutely sure it's the password you were using to login before running passwd?
[20:09] <nusse> EriC^: it's not my laptop, so no
[20:09] <EriC^> contact the person then
[20:09] <EriC^> odds are the password he gave you is wrong
[20:10] <nusse> we tried to change the password by gui, but the gui complained about the new password being to weak. so we tried something like Password1! before using passwd.
[20:10] <EriC^> as root?
[20:10] <nusse> this is why i'm asking if the timestamp of the wrapped-passphrase-file indicates the last time it was changed...
[20:10] <nusse> yes, as root, passwd user
[20:11] <EriC^> the password you used to login at first should be it
[20:11] <EriC^> to get to the gui
[20:11] <nusse> wrapped-passphrase timestamp is 2015. installation was 2011
[20:12] <nusse> password-change in 2015 is likely
[20:12] <TheSov> How do you add a dependancy to LIO?
[20:13] <EriC^> nusse: did you login to the user's de today?
[20:13] <EriC^> before passwd
[20:17] <iopq> Jeez, I've found threads from 2013 with a similar issue https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2154501
[20:17] <TheSov> I have an issue with ceph rbd's loading after LIO initializes, since the rbd's are the actual disks LIO needs to use, it erases them, is there any way to change the LIO startup to be after RBD's or add ceph rbd's are a requirement for startup?
[20:18] <gadget593> Anyone else unable to connect to mirror.lstn.net on update?
[20:19] <nusse> EriC^: sorry?
[20:19] <netochka> hey guys. i've upgraded to ubuntu 18.04 . i want to change a shortcut on keyboard but i can't. unlike previous version it doesn't let me change the whole combination of the shortcut
[20:20] <SlidingHorn> netochka: can you provide more detail?  What is the shortcut, what do you want it to do, how are you trying to assign it, and what happens when you try?
[20:22] <oerheks> gadget593, seems like more a question for their helpdesk?
[20:23] <netochka> SlidingHorn, yep. I want to change the shortcut to either "switch to next input source" or "switch to previous input source", in order to switch between 2 languages on my ubuntu. now when i click on the shortcut in the settings, it is set on super+space and shift+super+space by default. when i click on them to change them, ubuntu gives me super + .... option. meaning that i can't set a shortcut that doesnt include super key
[20:24] <EriC^> nusse: were you able to login to the gui today? it's not rocket science, if the gui was working fine then the login pass was able to unwrap the passphrase
[20:24] <Peyam> Younder, np. #conky i dead
[20:24] <netochka> i've been used to alt+ left shift  shortcut for so many years, this is getting on my nerve
[20:24] <Peyam> I solved it anyway. thanks
[20:24] <netochka> hi EriC^   ^^
[20:25] <nusse> EriC^: gui does not work because it is not able to unwrap
[20:25] <nusse> EriC^: brings me back to login screen after some seconds
[20:25] <EriC^> hello netochka :D
[20:26] <EriC^> nusse: when was the last time it did work?
[20:27] <nusse> EriC^: before changing the password with passwd
[20:28] <EriC^> nusse: ok, there should be a backup shadow file maybe
[20:29] <EriC^> nusse: hash your password and see if they match
[20:29] <nusse> checked that already. there is no backup because we changed it back
[20:29] <EriC^> nusse: /etc/shadow- ?
[20:29] <nusse> this contains the 'new' password i guess
[20:29] <EriC^> check it
[20:30] <mdlpe> hi, what's the best way to make dual boot win10/ubuntu with one system by hdd. efi or legacy for Ubuntu ?
[20:31] <EriC^> mdlpe: efi is newer
[20:31] <EriC^> and better, and slightly more annoying depending on the manufacturer
[20:31] <netochka> I want to change the shortcut to either "switch to next input source" or "switch to previous input source", in order to switch between 2 languages on my ubuntu. now when i click on the shortcut in the settings, it is set on super+space and shift+super+space by default. when i click on them to change them, ubuntu gives me super + space option and no matter what i press on the keyboard, it doesn change
[20:31] <netochka> on Ubuntu 18.04 *
[20:32] <Peyam> is there any html editor with designer for linux?
[20:32] <SlidingHorn> Peyam: what do you mean by designer?  A WYSIWYG editor?
[20:32] <Peyam> SlidingHorn, more like Dreamwever where you could make a website without looking at the code
[20:33] <SlidingHorn> Peyam: (that's what WYSIWYG is - what you see is what you get) which flavor and version of ubuntu are you using?
[20:33] <Peyam> 16.04
[20:33] <bencc> how can I remove preinstalled vbox guest additions from 18.04?
[20:34] <EriC^> bencc: on your current install or you mean like a custom iso?
[20:35] <bencc> EriC^: ubuntu 18.04 guest I just installed
[20:35] <bencc> EriC^: from the official iso
[20:35] <bencc> it comes with vbox guest additions preinstalled and I want to remove it
[20:35] <EriC^> bencc: type 'dpkg -l | grep vbox | nc termbin.com 9999'
[20:35] <EriC^> paste what it gives you here
[20:36] <bencc> what nc termbin?
[20:36] <bencc> 'dpkg -l | grep vbox' gives me nothing
[20:37] <bencc> 'lsmod | grep vboxguest' gives me:
[20:37] <bencc> vboxguest 303104 0
[20:37] <EriC^> !find vboxguest
[20:38] <EriC^> bencc: type 'locate vboxguest.ko'
[20:38] <bencc> I can't find anything with virtualbox or vboxguest in dpkg -l
[20:39] <bencc> /lib/modules/4.15.0-20-generic/kernel/ubuntu/vbox/vboxguest/vboxguest.ko
[20:39] <EriC^> bencc: seems it's part of the kernel package
[20:40] <Peyam> SlidingHorn, I found BlueGriffen
[20:40] <bencc> EriC^: no way to replace it with vbox guest additions from oracle cd?
[20:40] <EriC^> bencc: maybe if you install the stuff it'll use those instead?
[20:41] <EriC^> no idea
[20:41] <SlidingHorn> Peyam: I think LibreOffice has one (just open a new HTML file) - other than that, I don't know of any that are in the repos.  There a couple of other options out there, but aren't officially supported: SeaMonkey has one, and Amaya are a couple that I believe have WYSIWYG editors
[20:42] <Peyam> SlidingHorn, Googgle webdesigner seems promissing
[20:42] <linux_noobian> what's the best amd drivers for gaming right now? The open source defaults were fine but a bit slow in HL2
[20:43] <mdlpe> EriC^: whit efi where the grub is installed by default ?
[20:43] <iopq> linux_noobian, you can always try vulkan and see if it runs faster
[20:44] <Skaface82> Peyam: http://kompozer.net/
[20:44] <iopq> although for HL2 won't help lol
[20:46] <kus_ubuntui686> I think you will find this amusing https://i.imgur.com/CbzLhFQ.png
[20:47] <linux_noobian> Had such good luck so far with the default drivers and rather not have binary blobs but need more performance. recommendations? been a few years since i used linux
[20:47] <oerheks> kus_ubuntui686, is there any support issue in that?
[20:47] <konrados> Hello! I wanted to upgrade my chrome installation, and this is #1 result in google: http://www.techoism.com/installupgrade-google-chrome-56-ubuntu/ - but isn't this weird? I'm used to `add-apt-repository` to add a repo, but they tell me to `sh -c 'echo "deb http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google.list'`, also they want to me to `get -q -O - https://dl-ssl.google.com/linux/linux_signing_key.pub |
[20:47] <konrados> sudo apt-key add -`
[20:47] <konrados> I wanted to ask if this is OK before running these commands :)
[20:48] <linux_noobian> konrados: that doesn't look too legit. use official sources
[20:48] <ash_work> I used to be able to hit right-alt (altgr) as the compose key but now it opens the dash... was there a config I was supposed to set?
[20:48] <SlidingHorn> konrados: FYI installing applications outside of the repositories means they won't be supported in here.
[20:48] <ash_work> (or had set in the past?)
[20:48] <oerheks> konrados, no, just install the deb from the google site, it installed the key and repo, and you would get version 66
[20:49] <konrados> linux_noobian: SlidingHorn oerheks - ok, thank you!
[20:50] <brainwash> linux_noobian: is that an ancient graphics card?
[20:50] <tomreyn> konrados: are you aware of chromium-broowser?
[20:51] <BlueGriffin> Hi. just listening
[20:51] <konrados> tomreyn: all I know such an animal exists, why?
[20:52] <tomreyn> konrados: well it's in ubuntu and thus gets good support and doesn't come with some of the proprietary elements which come with chrome (and which some people might say work against your interests).
[20:53] <tomreyn> konrados: so i'm just pointing out it exists and is very similar to chrome
[20:53] <linux_noobian> brainwash: amd 290. should run hl2 fine
[20:53] <konrados> tomreyn: ok, let my try it! Thanks. AFAIK they both use same flesh? I mean, the js / html engine?
[20:53] <brainwash> linux_noobian: indeed
[20:54] <tomreyn> konrados: there's pepperflash for it, i think its a separate download
[20:54] <tomreyn> !info pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[20:55] <linux_noobian> brainwash: i'm just a bit lost on what drivers to use atm. was just now searching and this post sums up my rant fine: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/7s8ea1/whats_the_deal_with_amds_new_linux_vulkan_driver/dt31fkt
[20:55] <tomreyn> !info pepperflashplugin-nonfree xenial
[20:55] <oerheks> !amd
[20:55] <oerheks> open radeon, or amdgpu
[20:55] <konrados> tomreyn: I mean "flesh", not flash :) I don't use flash at all :) I thought, "flesh" in English means "something inside",here I meant the "webkit" or whatever  chrome uses "inside":)
[20:56] <konrados> as an engine
[20:56] <auronandace> konrados: rendering engine is blink
[20:56] <brainwash> linux_noobian: is that with ubuntu 18.04?
[20:56] <konrados> yes, yes that ^ auronandace - I have a feeling they change the name all the time o.O :)
[20:57] <konrados> tomreyn: found it! I think "guts" is what I wanted to say :)
[20:57] <konrados> not... "flesh"
[20:58] <brainwash> linux_noobian: also, how do you measure performance?
[20:58] <tomreyn> konrados: oh :) i think it's the same rendering engine, yes. chrome comes with stronger integration of google services (but chromium has this, too), and chrome comes with several proprietary (closed source, binary blob) additions which add support for drm, voice control etc.
[20:59] <konrados> tomreyn: ok, gotcha, thanks again! Will try it!
[20:59] <linux_noobian> brainwash: yes. so it seems i'm using the correct/best one, i think (open radeon). Performance? haven't tried much yet but a few older games which worked fine. hl2 just seemed to skip frames. have to test more. i also need amd settings so i can change refresh rate (catalyst control manager) or something
[20:59] <tomreyn> konrados: welcome
[21:00] <brainwash> linux_noobian: ccc is no more
[21:00] <linux_noobian> brainwash: that sucks. any equivalent now?
[21:02] <brainwash> linux_noobian: I think there isn't anything to replace it
[21:03] <tomreyn> brainwash: there are kernel module options, modinfo radeon | grep ^parm, and there are some environment variables you can set, such as vblank_mode=0|1 for vsync
[21:03] <oerheks> settings > devices > displays
[21:03] <brainwash> tomreyn: well yeah. obviously some things can be tweaked.
[21:03] <brainwash> tomreyn: there is "driconf" also
[21:04] <linux_noobian> oerheks: that doesn't give me the needed refresh option. my monitor can overclock, ubuntu just doesn't know it
[21:04] <tomreyn> brainwash: oh right
[21:05] <PhazonicRidley> hi, does ubuntu have support for raspberry pi 3B+?
[21:07] <slavic> Hi. Could anyone take a look at this bug and confirm/infirm if they're having the same issue? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1767542
[21:07] <TheSov> does anyone why when i install targetcli, target.service is trying to load vis LSB?
[21:08] <TheSov> May  2 16:05:56 iscsi1 target[1103]:  * Failed to load /etc/target/scsi_target.lio
[21:09] <tomreyn> linux_noobian: R9 290 should actually work with amdgpu
[21:09] <tomreyn> that's a newer driver than the radeon ones
[21:10] <iopq> when I switched to onboard video (I set it as the default) the system went into low graphics mode
[21:10] <iopq> how do I fix my intel onboard
[21:14] <coolchris> xbill is a good game lol
[21:14] <linux_noobian> tomreyn: thanks. i'm figuring this stuff out little by little
[21:15] <YADW1> Hello fellow earthlings. I've got something quite weird going on with my lockscreen on my laptop with Ubuntu 16.04.4 LTS
[21:16] <server_> hola
[21:16] <server_> q onda esto
[21:17] <YADW1> Basically, while in the Unity environment, I can't lock the screen in any way, not by key combo (super+L, ctrl+alt+L) and even from the shutdown menu
[21:17] <tomreyn> linux_noobian: actually now that i read up more on this i'm no longer certain that yours works with amdgpu. it's a "Sea Islands" generation card. read up on https://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/ (and again, and again, it's not easy to understand this stuff for me at least)
[21:18] <YADW1> All that happens is the screen just goes dark for a second, then it turns on as if nothing has changed
[21:19] <coolchris> hello on 18.04 i have xrdp installed i installed xfce4 and put startxfce4 in the .xsession what do i put in .xsession for the default interface
[21:19] <YADW1> I've got lubuntu-desktop installed, and oddly enough if I try to lock the screen from there, I end up on the old GDM lockscreen. <--- This. Is. Madness.
[21:19] <linux_noobian> tomreyn: i know, don't worry i'll figure it out. i'm not sure i need to change anything but i like to try to understand this stuff
[21:20] <YADW1> Just what must I do to make it work properly?
[21:20] <tomreyn> YADW1: there are lightlocker and xscreensaver as the most common screensvers, i think. and i think you'd need to have (exactly) one of them running for this to ork properly. i'm not sure about what lubuntu uses by default.
[21:20] <Bashing-om> linkmark: AMD Radeon™ R9 290X Graphics; if ya really want to push, that card also supports the proprietary overlay : https://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMD-Radeon-GPU-PRO-Linux-Beta-Driver%E2%80%93Release-Notes.aspx .
[21:20] <linux_noobian> rebooting. thanks for the help guys
[21:20] <blackbird1> Hi, I have an issue with droidCam. I get the video stream but the microphone is not detected.
[21:21] <PhazonicRidley> hi, does ubuntu have support for raspberry pi 3B+?
[21:21] <Bashing-om> linux_noobian: ^^ sorry linkmark :(
[21:21] <YADW1> tomreyn thank you, I'm pretty sure there is lightlocker installed. Now I have to check if xscreensaver is installed too
[21:22] <tomreyn> YADW1: 'installed' is okay. 'running' can be an issue.
[21:22] <YADW1> Uhm, yup, it's installed. How can I see if they are both running, and in case, how can I stop one of the two?
[21:23] <SlidingHorn> blackbird1: You may have to find their official support - droidcam isn't a supported package in Ubuntu
[21:23] <blackbird1> SlidingHorn: I'm looking for an irc channel :)
[21:24] <YADW1> Nvm, by systemctl status xscreensaver appears to be dead
[21:24] <SlidingHorn> blackbird1: try /msg alis list droidcam
[21:26] <srgjames> I have a Webserver being hosted with Google Compute. I'm wanting to back it up to my External Harddrive is there any way I can complete this ? Perfer to get a Full disk and then once in a while partials
[21:28] <YADW1> tomreyn any suggestion?
[21:29] <tomreyn> YADW1: echo '[light-locker]'; pgrep light-locker; echo '[xscreensaver]'; pgrep xscreensaver
[21:30] <tomreyn> YADW1: this returns the process id's for the type of screensaver listed above. no process ids = not running.
[21:30] <YADW1> tomreyn Only the echo strings were returned, pgrep didn't find any of the two
[21:31] <YADW1> So apparently none is running
[21:31] <tomreyn> YADW1: so i guess you have neither loaded, which matches the result you reported.
[21:33] <tomreyn> YADW1: see the configuration of your preferred screen locker in your desktop enviroments preferences (if any), and make sure it is loaded in the "sessions and startup" preferences
[21:33] <YADW1> I'll check that in no time :D
[21:33] <saexfer> srgjames: maybe with rsync
[21:37] <louie__> hi
[21:41] <SlidingHorn> Just repeating as it's been a while & the -steam channel is silent:  sudo apt install steam  recommends nvidia-driver-libs-i386:i386 which is not in the repos.  I have a GTX 1060 running on the proprietary (390) driver.  Is this package something I'm going to need?  If so, where do I get it?  (this steam install is from the multiverse repos)
[21:43] <shanemikel_> I’m having some serious issues with the bionic live disks
[21:43] <Sven_vB> what's an efficient way to prove that a USB device that claims to be a mass storage device of capacity 128 GB, can actually store that much data? I'd like to invest at most 2 GB storage on the test computer.
[21:44] <Sven_vB> would be nice if the test procedure can be suspended and resumed
[21:44] <shanemikel_> I’ve tried a number of the different spins and getting “io error” and crashes for the install.. trying to run firefox or fdisk gives “io error”
[21:44] <hanwang> test
[21:44] <nacc> SlidingHorn: you don't need it, most likely
[21:45] <nacc> SlidingHorn: i'd file a bug against the steam package in Launchpad maybe
[21:45] <shanemikel_> Searched “io error” in the bug tracker but nothing comes up
[21:45] <srgjames> saexfer that might work Ty
[21:45] <nacc> shanemikel_: sounds like your hardware is failing
[21:45] <shanemikel_> No issue running 17.10
[21:46] <iopq> any idea how to make intel onboard graphics driver work again?
[21:46] <shanemikel_> AFAICT
[21:46] <nacc> shanemikel_: would need more examples. Can you pastebin the output from fdisk and how you're invoking it, e.g.
[21:47] <shanemikel_> Yeah I’m gonna stop at a cafe and I’ll pastebin dmesg and the rest
[21:48] <Sven_vB> nevermind, it just came to my mind that huge file downloads + checksum should work if the huge files I download are highly compressed (and still huge).
[21:49] <isene> EriC^: I read somewhere that the bug we talked about earlier is related to secure-boot. And so I went ahead and enabled secureboot, and then the packages (both) installed just fine.
[21:49] <Sven_vB> if the device manages to cheat by compressing them even further, there's no longer a useful distinction between "cheat" and "storage technology" :))
[21:49] <mukeil> a
[21:51] <mukeil> halo
[21:59] <Term1nal> So, uh... is there a way to NOT switch to gdm by default in the 18.04 upgrade?
[22:00] <Term1nal> my system really hates gdm and refuses to launch it
[22:00] <Term1nal> but it's perfectly fine with lightdm
[22:01] <Term1nal> I tried 18.04 upgrade and it just gets stuck in an infinite loop trying to start gdm, crashing, and trying to launch it again. I can't even ctrl+alt+f<x> to a tty to try and fix it, because then it starts trying to launch gdm in that new tty somehow.
[22:01] <Term1nal> good thing I cloned my system drive before running the upgrade, I was able to revert
[22:06] <Jordan_U> Term1nal: In the future, you can select recovery mode from the "Advanced options for Ubuntu" entry in the grub menu. (spam escape during boot to get the grub menu, or hold shift during boot if booting via BIOS).
[22:07] <Term1nal> Jordan_U: that didn't work either. Something about the new kernel and my graphics chip I think.
[22:08] <Jordan_U> Term1nal: What happened when you tried to boot via recovery mode?
[22:09] <Term1nal> When I get to the recovery ncurses menu, it just didn't respond to any input, I tried recovery mode with an older kernel, which worked, but trying to enable networking so I could install lightdm it just hung indefinitely, pressing ctrl+c rebooted it
[22:10] <Term1nal> tried booting normally with the older kernel, same gdm crashing but faster.
[22:10] <Sven_vB> Term1nal, you could chroot into your installed Ubuntu from inside a live session
[22:10] <Jordan_U> Term1nal: Does alt+sysrq+r print a message to the screen?
[22:11] <Term1nal> I didn't try that/know to try that. Jordan_U
[22:11] <Term1nal> Sven_vB: I'm none to experience with chrooting.
[22:11] <Term1nal> experienced*
[22:11] <ash_work> I used to be able to hit right-alt (altgr) as the compose key but now it opens the dash... was there a config I was supposed to set?
[22:12] <Sven_vB> Term1nal, me neither, but sometimes we have people here who are willing to help you, sometimes even guide you step by step. :)
[22:12] <Jordan_U> !sysrq | Term1nal
[22:12] <Sven_vB> Term1nal, btw if it's just about deactivating the infinite loop, you probably don't even need a chroot, a normal mount will do
[22:12] <Jordan_U> Term1nal: Note that most sysrq functions are actually disabled by default for local security. Enabling them is the first thing I do with any install.
[22:12] <Term1nal> I may just hold off and wait until I get up the gumption to fresh install and reconfigure everything on a clean setup.
[22:13] <Sven_vB> Term1nal, you'd probably just have to block a systemd service, which IIRC can be done by creating a symlink in the right place. I just don't remember where.
[22:14] <Term1nal> Jordan_U: I was able to reboot by hitting ctrl+alt+delete when it flashed back briefly to the text console with all of the boot up [OK] messages.
[22:14] <Sven_vB> Term1nal, once the loop is broken, you should be able to use a text tty to install lightdm
[22:15] <Sven_vB> Term1nal, would be a good opportunity to install an SSH server as well. ;)
[22:16] <Term1nal> not sure why I'd really need to install an SSH server to a desktop workstation other than this specific situation :P
[22:16] <Term1nal> though how are you suggesting I stop the infinite gdm launch/crash/launch loop when booting normally?
[22:16] <Sven_vB> Term1nal, there's a bunch of other situations where you'll be glad you have one
[22:17] <cYnIxX3> Hello, I am trying to install 18.04 from a 16.04 live usb with the 18.04 file? is there a way to do this? Thanks in advance.
[22:17] <Jordan_U> cYnIxX3: No, you need to boot from an 18.04 LiveUSB to install 18.04. Is something preventing you from creating an Ubuntu 18.04 liveUSB?
[22:18] <Term1nal> So at least coming to report that upgrade from 17.10 to 18.04 was a failure on 4th gen intel i5 with radeon r7 270X.
[22:19] <cYnIxX3> Jordan_U, nothing preventing me, just the tool I had on hand and it had some other stuff on it so I was reluctant. Thanks :)
[22:19] <Term1nal> with my big hunch on being the radeon, because everything AMD is complete garbage under Linux in my experience lol
[22:19] <Jordan_U> cYnIxX3: You're welcome :)
[22:19] <Sven_vB> Term1nal, 1. boot into live session 2. use syslog to identify what service is looping (ask here if you need further assistance) 3. mount the partition with your systemd settings 4. locate the service file 5. disable it or set a long retry delay 6. reboot
[22:21] <spreeuw> amd cpu and gpu work excellent in linux
[22:22] <spreeuw> with the freedom software stack
[22:22] <spreeuw> + firmware blobs
[22:23] <Term1nal> well whatever is loaded by default for AMD graphics simply doesn't work.
[22:23] <Term1nal> at least for an older card like mine.
[22:23] <spreeuw> work for what?
[22:23] <Term1nal> gdm, at least.
[22:23] <spreeuw> how old?
[22:23] <shiroininja> Term1nal: I beg to differ, AMD has been a breeze for me under linux compared to Nvidia. I had issues updgrading to 18.04 from 16.04, but that was due to me already running testing versions of gnome in 16.04. But with a complete reinstall to 18.04, everything works great
[22:23] <Term1nal> Radoen R7 270X
[22:23] <Term1nal> radeon*
[22:23] <spreeuw> should work well
[22:24] <spreeuw> but it may have limitations
[22:24] <Term1nal> well, it went from perfect operation under 17.10 + lightdm, to complete failure to launch the login screen after performing 17.10->18.04 upgrade.
[22:24] <shiroininja> and i'm on r9 280
[22:25] <Term1nal> with the switch to gdm, which I don't think I've ever had good experiences with.
[22:25] <shiroininja> I just think the upgrade option borks things, from what I've heard, and it seems to be random things messing up Term1nal
[22:25] <Term1nal> could be. I really dread having to reconfigure everything D:
[22:25] <spreeuw> oh yeah I recall some issues with 3d accell in that pre server thing
[22:26] <shiroininja> Term1nal: You're not the only one havingh issues, but they're so random, it's hard to pinpoint the cause
[22:26] <spreeuw> this preenvironment doesnt have accell
[22:27] <Term1nal> the main issue is inability to select whigh dm to use, since it just forces gdm on me.
[22:27] <spreeuw> it fucks up the transparency stuff that login manager uses
[22:27] <Term1nal> which*
[22:27] <spreeuw> bringing it to a perceived halt
[22:27] <spreeuw> oh no now I remember that was in an emulated VM
[22:27] <Term1nal> another thing, dreading getting all of my wine stuff working again with all of the dumb fonts and stuff
[22:28] <Term1nal> since I noticed in the upgrade it completely removed everything related to my games
[22:28] <Guma> I am trying ssh -X to  ubuntu server and display running app on my machine (Mint). Before ssh I did host + on my workstation. After doing ssh -X to server I see DISPLAY is not set. So I did exported DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 and did try xeye. Still getting can not open display. Any ideas? X11 forwarding is set on server
[22:28] <Term1nal> steam, the microsoft fonts, wine-related stuff
[22:28] <spreeuw> yeah fonts in general look worse than they could on linux
[22:28] <spreeuw> I had my fonts just right on linux from scratch
[22:29] <spreeuw> had a gigabyte installed too
[22:29] <Term1nal> yeah and I did something to fix font rendering in 17.10, I forget what
[22:29] <Term1nal> some random article I read
[22:29] <Term1nal> mainly it's just the MS fonts needed for running things under wine.
[22:29] <Term1nal> and libttf issues
[22:29] <spreeuw> yeah theres this wine helper thign
[22:29] <spreeuw> that can execute these commands
[22:30] <spreeuw> its soem wine laucjher google it
[22:30] <spreeuw> it sets up the env
[22:30] <spreeuw> in a gui
[22:30] <Term1nal> which I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to re-do everything once I move to 18.04
[22:30] <spreeuw> shouldnt be necessary normally
[22:30] <Term1nal> yeah, there's playonlinux (buggy as hell), and Lutris
[22:30] <spreeuw> but it would be wines fault if it does
[22:30] <spreeuw> if it cant import old stuff
[22:31] <Jordan_U> Guma: You shouldn't need to run "xhost +". Are you using a terminal multiplexer like screen/tmux?
[22:31] <Term1nal> spreeuw: I just meant, in the upgrade procedure, it determines all of these packages as something to remove before proceeding
[22:31] <Guma> Jordan_U No I am not running screen/tmux
[22:32] <Guma> How do I go about debugging this?  Which log files server? workstation?
[22:34] <Guma> Should the DISPLAY ip be localhost or my workstation IP?
[22:37] <Jordan_U> Guma: Do you have "X11Forwarding yes" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config ?
[22:38] <Guma> Jordan_U Yes I do
[22:39] <Guma> Jordan_U so is X11DisplayOffset 10
[22:40] <Guma> Jordan_U This is all on local lan
[22:41] <Guma> xauth is also installed on headless server
[22:48] <Jordan_U> Guma: "ssh -v -X ..." might give you some helpful output.
[22:49] <root> hello
[22:51] <hanwang> is anyone using GTX1080? Are you using X.Org's driver or NVidia's
[22:51] <SlidingHorn> hanwang: xorg is just a display server...I'm assuming you mean nouveau?  What is your actual question (i.e. what is your problem?)
[22:52] <AarKnos> hanwng, I am using a 1080ti with nvidia drivers
[22:52] <hanwang> yea i meant Nouveau lol
[22:53] <AarKnos> cant play games with proper fps without the nvidia drivers
[22:53] <hanwang> good to know, thx xD
[22:54] <SlidingHorn> hanwang: it's important to note that AarKnos is just one person.  Your results might be fine with the nouveau driver (which is usually recommended unless you definitely cannot accomplish your needs using it)
[22:56] <shanemikel_> I can attest that AarKnos is actually a few people at least
[22:56] <hanwang> cool, the reason I was asking about the driver is that ever since I upgraded to 1804, my multi monitor setup is encountering some issues
[22:57] <hanwang> every time when i adjust display arrangement, ubuntu crashes and reboot to signin page
[22:57] <rockdrigo> ok
[22:58] <rockdrigo> o-o
[23:00] <Guest27112> during installation on a UEFI-enabled machine it says i have to disable secure boot for third-party driver installation.  All well and good and I understand the technical reasons why, but what is the security key it asks to set? I can't find any information answering that.  https://i.imgur.com/GmeZzYv.png
[23:02] <shanemikel_> Guest27112: I had the same question
[23:02] <shanemikel_> Now my installation is going okay... no "io error".. strange
[23:03] <shanemikel_> I think one of the crashes I had was due to my being connected to a captive portal wifi without logging in
[23:03] <shanemikel_> (with ubiquity I mean)
[23:03] <simba_> I want to set up an autossh systemd unit. I put it in ~/.config/systemd/user and did `systemctl daemon-reload` but `systemctl start autossh-tunnel.service` says `Unit autossh-tunnel.service not found`.
[23:05] <nacc> Guest27112: shanemikel_ I believe that is to talk to MOK on reboot
[23:05] <shanemikel_> Ok I just got the io error during the install phase
[23:05] <nacc> Guest27112: shanemikel_ see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot
[23:06] <shanemikel_> But I can’t paste dmesg because everything is crashing and I can’t open Firefox
[23:06] <shanemikel_> How can I use the command like paste from arch?
[23:06] <nacc> shanemikel_: dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:08] <Guest27112> nacc: ok, so it's basically a workaround to manually approve updating the hash of a given binary?  So you actually are leaving secure boot enabled, and this allows you to add approved binaries without signing?
[23:09] <shanemikel_> Can’t do that even “bus error”
[23:09] <nacc> shanemikel_: you are probably hitting hardware issues
[23:09] <shanemikel_> But I can read dmesg
[23:10] <nacc> shanemikel_: what does dmesg say (it will presumably indicate you got a SIGBUS to some process)
[23:10] <nacc> Guest27112: I think so -- the password you are using is so that on reboot the system can know it is you enrolling MOK
[23:10] <oerheks> Guest27112, nacc, i think you want to read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot#MOK_generation_and_signing_process
[23:10] <shanemikel_> I don’t see any sigs in dmesg..
[23:11] <shanemikel_> A ton of squashfs errors though
[23:11] <nacc> oerheks: yeah, that's the part i was suggesting
[23:11] <shanemikel_> And io errors
[23:11] <nacc> shanemikel_: those all imply hardware issues, most likely. Or a bad USB?
[23:12] <Guest27112> thanks; first install of anything on a UEFI system, so trying to make sure i understand what's going on before i actually do anything
[23:12] <shanemikel_> I hope it’s the thumb... I’ll try with another one
[23:12] <Guest27112> (3 decades on BIOS, though lol)
[23:12] <oerheks> Guest27112, i wonder why you want to use drivers outside of the ubuntu ones provided with the driver tool, else an *unofficial ppa* https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[23:13] <Guest27112> oerheks: i generally haven't needed to, but the text you see in that screenshot says if i want third-party software installed with the rest during normal install, i have to do those steps
[23:14] <Guest27112> oerheks: i normally run nvidia binaries, and that's usually been the only thing i've needed to add on the vaios i've primarily used.  I don't predict many issues on this thing since it's from Asus, though i've already identified some reasonably well-documented issues with HDMI audio, it also lists several workarounds, and it's not a make-or-break feature for my usecases
[23:14] <nacc> Guest27112: it's mostly about the chain of trust implied by secureboot, i think
[23:15] <Guest27112> nacc: that was my understanding from the first link as well; about to read the second one about mok in a moment, my spicy ramen lunch wants its revenge lol brb
[23:15] <nacc> Guest27112: specifically, if you're using dkms, you don't have the signing key, but you're already in a secure-booted environent
[23:15] <shanemikel_> Anybody had any luck with dell’s Ubuntu laptops?  Will they take support requests seriously when there are suspected HW probs ?
[23:16] <nacc> Guest27112: so you generate a new key, turn off secure boot so you can do stuff, build/sign your new module and then reboot to authorize the new signing key
[23:16] <nacc> Guest27112: the turn off secure boot so you can do stuff step is handwavy, because I'm honestly not sure why it's necessary, but I have a feeling it's something secureboot-y in the build process
[23:21] <Guest27112> nacc: oh, it's definitely hand-wavy, because it's only needed if certain bootloader- or kernel-related stuff is changed.  there's also the tin-foil aspect from the "secure boot is nothing but a killswitch for linux that msft controls" camp (which isn't ENTIRELY meritless, but falls apart so long as we can still disable secure boot or add our own trusted keys, as i can do on this device)
[23:25] <Guest27112> oerheks, nacc: the second link about MOKmanager explains it perfectly, thanks mates
[23:35] <shanemikel_> I think I was noticing the “disk connected” KDE popups while I was installing and log messages about power management of the usb.. so maybe it’s an ACPI problem ?  Anyway I’m trying with a different thumb drive now
[23:38] <iopq> can someone help me fix my onboard intel drivers? they used to work, but now they do not
[23:41] <simba_> I'm having trouble with systemd. I can do this: /usr/lib/autossh/autossh -M 0 -o 'ServerAliveInterval 30' -o 'ServerAliveCountMax 3' -R 2222:localhost:22 remotehost.com
[23:42] <simba_> But when I put the same command in a .service file, I get "Host key verification failed."
[23:44] <shanemikel_> Man getting from "Software" to the "Disk Setup" step takes like > 5 Mins.. and It's not even supposed to be doing anything yet lol
[23:44] <simba_> I wonder if systemd is running the command as the wrong user or something
[23:44] <shanemikel_> At most its, what, updating the apt sources?
[23:45] <simba_> shanemikel_: i have a dell ubuntu laptop, never had a problem
[23:46] <stortford> Hi, just made clean install of Lubuntu 18.04. Using Canon LIDE 200 scanner with both Simple Scan and Skanlite gives scanned page with 10mm black vertical line down centre. Didn't happen with 16.04 LTS. Any ideas please.
[23:50] <shanemikel_> simba_: do you use the OEM ubuntu or did you do a fresh install?
[23:51] <stortford> Thanks Simba. Downloaded ISO from Lubuntu, checked MD5Sum and burned to DVD for install.
[23:52] <shanemikel_> stortford: that was me talking to simba_
[23:52] <stortford> Sorry
[23:52] <shanemikel_> no worries
[23:55] <shanemikel_> okay install finished, now I'm  gonna restart and see
[23:55] <eddyready> Hi, I am getting screen tearing on a Dell 7480 laptop but no tearing on a Lenovo T460s. Both running 18.04. Any idea as to why? Dell uses the onboard intel HD graphics 620 whereas the Lenovo uses the onboard intel HD graphics 520
[23:57] <Guest27112> eddyready: check vsync and compositor settings
[23:57] <eddyready> Guest27112: where would that be located?
[23:59] <Guest27112> eddyready: in kubuntu it's under display settings; i'm a KDE guy, not sure where it is in Unity or w/e ubuntu uses these days


[01:06] <Peng> bzr: ERROR: xmlrpclib.Fault: <Fault -1: "Unexpected Zope exception: Unauthorized: (<zope.app.publisher.xmlrpc.metaconfigure.BranchSetAPI object at 0x2aaabec5bd50>, '__call__', 'launchpad.AnyPerson')">
[01:06] <Peng> Wheee!
[01:06] <Peng> Apparently the launchpad plugin really wants my password.
[01:22] <lifeless> thats launchpad wanting it
[04:43] <johnf> If I have a smart server whats the best way to have it send emails when commits are made? I was using bzr_hookless_email but it seems to have some issues with 1.0. Want to know if its the best way to do this sort of thing before fxiixing it
[04:46] <dato> johnf: what issues?
[04:46] <dato> johnf: it should work, but maybe you'd need to restart it if you upgrade your branches
[04:46] <johnf> I have it running out of cron
[04:47] <johnf> let me paste the bactrace somewhere
[04:47] <dato> yes, please
[04:50] <dato> !pastebin
[04:50] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:53] <johnf> dato: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50358/
[04:53] <johnf> Havn't looked into the problem myself yet. Was wondering firstly if this is the best tool to use
[04:54] <dato> johnf: well, I wrote it, so I may be a bit biased. I find it convinient when it's difficult or cumbersome to get every committer to install and configure bzr-email themselves.
[04:55] <johnf> hehe
[04:55] <johnf> yeah I have the same problem.
[04:55] <dato> johnf: hm, let me try reproducing your problem.
[05:02] <dato> johnf: ok, got it, thanks for reporting!
[05:03] <dato> johnf: you can pull a fix from http://chistera.yi.org/~adeodato/code/bzr/bzr-hookless-email/, the launchpad branch is a mirror and will take a bit before it gets the fix.
[05:03] <johnf> dato: no problems. Was just having a look myself. Looks like you might need to lock the repository?
[05:04] <dato> yeah, that's what I did. looks like bzr-email will need updating as well. (that part of bzr-hookless-email came from bzr-email)
[05:16] <lifeless> johnf: patch bzr to send a 'commit has occured' at the end of the transaction to the smart server
[05:16] <lifeless> johnf: its on the TODO list
[05:17] <lifeless> johnf: or perhaps if you really mean 'when the branch tip advances' patch bzr-email to hook into BranchHooks.set_revision_info and do emails then
[05:17] <lifeless> both will run on the server and don't need a cron job etc
[05:17] <lifeless> johnf: its really waiting for someone that wants it to do it :)
[05:17] <lifeless> also, jan 1st. HOLIDAY.
[05:18]  * dato is just waiting for friends to arrive to have breakfast :)
[05:24] <johnf> dato: thanks
[05:25] <johnf> lifeless: I shall add it to my long list of things to do :)
[05:52] <lifeless> johnf: we're back tomorrow; can we arrange to meet up say friday?
[05:52] <johnf> lifeless: sure or earlier. I can drop past anyday with everything
[05:56] <lifeless> cool - well thursday sometime would be great. Anytime, just ring a bit before so I'm not out at the shops.
[07:31] <indu> hi all
[07:31] <indu> happy new year
[07:31] <indu> i need help in bazaar implementation
[07:32] <indu> i created a repo using bzr init-repo, and then created branches under that, using bzr init
[07:32] <indu> i am finding that the sub branches are independent and are no where related to the main branch which was created using bzr init-repo
[07:33] <indu> am i going in right path ?
[07:34] <Peng> indu: bzr init-repo doesn't create branches.
[07:34] <Peng> indu: It's simply an optimization, so the data from all branches created under it will be stored in one place instead of duplicated in each branch.
[07:35] <indu> Peng, could u please explain this clearly
[07:35] <indu> how does duplication be saved ?
[07:36] <indu> Peng,  sorry,how does the duplication is not occured  ?
[07:37] <Peng> indu: If you have two branches of the same project, 99% of the history is identical, but all of it would be stored twice. Using a shared repo, it's only stored once.
[07:38] <indu>  Peng here u mean branch as the one created  using bzr init ?
[07:39] <Peng> indu: Sure.
[07:39] <Peng> indu: If you just created the branch, there's no history, so it's not so relevant.
[07:39] <Peng> I'm sorry, but I'm gonna go.
[07:40] <Peng> But yes, the branches are independent.
[07:40]  * Peng wanders off.
[07:40] <Peng> There isn't really a way around that at the moment.
[08:09] <deflated> Hello. What do you think of taking Bazaar for backups?
[08:12] <Peng> deflated: I think it's very useful to use a VCS on some of your files, but to back up your email or whatever is a bad idea.
[08:20] <deflated> Thank you for your response. It's meant for backuping my source codes. I plan to store them on a remote server. I only change approx. 10 files a day so that it's not that efficient to transfer *all files* via FTP to the server. What do you think of using Bazaar in this case or is there even a better way? If the application is stable I'll release it as open-source so I'll need to use a VCS but it's planned for the end of this year. For that time I ne
[08:34] <deflated> So Peng, what do you think? Are there any better alternatives? Here's an interesting article of someone who uses Bazaar as for backuping his data: http://www.singularity.be/node/6357
[08:36] <deflated> But he uses rsync for remote backups. The remote server connects to his computer and gets all data.
[08:40] <michaelkohwj> i have a web host that i can SSH into, but it doesn't have bzr installed. can I still push and pull from it over ssh?
[08:40] <lifeless> deflated: bzr for that is fine :)
[08:41] <lifeless> michaelkohwj: yes if they have python 2.5 you can dump a copy of bzr in your home dir and set BZR_REMOTE_PATH
[08:41] <lifeless> later all
[08:42] <michaelkohwj> hm i see
[08:42] <michaelkohwj> lifeless: thanks
[08:42] <deflated> Ok, then I'll give it a try. Thank you very much!
[08:46] <michaelkohwj> i can FTP over, but i can't seem to get it right:
[08:47] <michaelkohwj> bzr push --create-prefix<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:48] <michaelkohwj> oh, it works, but now: "but does not have a valid .bzr directory"
[08:48] <michaelkohwj> ... --use-existing-dir
[09:17] <michaelkohwj> hi, how should I push to a remote server over ssh, that doesn't have bzr installed?
[09:17] <michaelkohwj> i can't install bzr on it either
[09:21] <michaelkohwj> ok, i got it working with ftp, but the source files aren't transferred
[09:26] <michaelkohwj> bzr push --create-prefix<EMAIL_ADDRESS>--use-existing-directory -v just transfers .bzr
[09:26] <michaelkohwj> what shoul i do to push to a remote dir?
[09:26] <michaelkohwj> thanks!
[10:02] <thumper> michaelkohwj: pushing doesn't create the working tree
[10:02] <thumper> michaelkohwj: just the branch and repo if needed
[10:02]  * thumper recalls someone working on pushing a working tree of files
[10:02]  * thumper walks away again
[10:09] <Peng> michaelkohwj: Use SFTP if you can.
[10:09] <Peng> MicahElliott: (It's an FTP-like protocol tunnelled over SSH.)
[10:10] <Peng> thumper: push-and-update plugin.
[10:35] <indu> hi, could someone give me a link for downloading loggerhead
[10:35] <indu> I am not getting any
[10:43] <michaelkohwj> Peng: but if I pull from it, will the effect be the same?
[10:43] <michaelkohwj> Peng: let me explain more clearly:
[10:43] <michaelkohwj> Peng: X makes changes to the project and pushes it to the server
[10:43] <michaelkohwj> Y then clones from the server, works on it, and then pushes it up.
[10:44] <michaelkohwj> (i'm not sure that i'm using the correct terms)
[10:44] <michaelkohwj> then when X pulls from the server and merges, will X get Y's changes?
[10:47] <Peng> michaelkohwj: Will doing what be the same?
[10:49] <michaelkohwj> Peng: um, such as pulling and pushing from and to a thumbdrive?
[10:50] <michaelkohwj> (sorry, i'm new to SCM)
[10:50] <Peng> michaelkohwj: It doesn't matter what you push and pull to.
[10:52] <michaelkohwj> Peng: oh i see- the -diffs- are stored in the place i push to
[10:52] <michaelkohwj> is that right?
[10:59] <Peng> michaelkohwj: Something like that, yeah.
[11:02] <dlee> Michael:  I think you're asking if A --push--> B and B <--pull-- A have the same effect.  I believe they do.  You might also be asking if changes pushed to server by one person will arrive at another person's local copy when that person then pulls from the server.  Again, yes, this should work.  Caveat:  I've been using Bazaar for about a week myself, but I've been using VC systems of various sorts for years.
[11:03] <Peng> (If one person pushing and another pulling didn't work, that wouldn't be much of a VCS...)
[11:03] <dlee> :)
[11:04] <dlee> I thought the question might be more about how push and pull were related, but at 5 AM after a lot of local activity, I don't trust my read :)
[11:05] <michaelkohwj> actually, i was just confused when pushing didn't place the files in the remote server, but instead placed .bzr/ in it only
[11:06] <michaelkohwj> so .bzr contains the diffs, and thus the actual working files are unnecessary?
[11:06] <Peng> michaelkohwj: Yeah, .bzr contains all of the data. It would usually be a waste of bandwidth to create a working tree (and there would be other issues, like what if there are merge conflicts?).
[11:06]  * michaelkohwj has been enlightened
[11:06] <michaelkohwj> thanks Peng and dlee
[11:07] <dlee> Ah ok... .bzr contains everything necessary to reconstruct the local files.  It's just that it's not so easy for your "push"ing system to make the "push" receiver update the local files on that end.  You can't push your local files to remote because they may contain changes.  push and pull work with what's in .bzr, not what's in all the other files in your working tree.  Does that help?
[11:09] <GaryvdM> If you push over a local transport, it will also push the working tree. But pushing over a remote transport will not push the working tree.
[11:09] <GaryvdM> Working trees can easily be recreated from the repository (contained in the .bzr dir).
[11:10] <dlee> Doesn't a local-transport push still push the *committed* rev, not the actual local (pushing-side) working-tree files?
[11:10] <michaelkohwj> dlee: yes =)
[11:10] <GaryvdM> yes
[11:10] <dlee> A "no" to that would have been a shock...
[11:11] <michaelkohwj> thanks for the help, i understand now =)
[11:11] <dlee> I really hope I can talk my office into Bazaar now, even though they jumped at Svn very recently before I knew what they were doing :P
[11:16] <michaelkohwj> dlee: perhaps bzr-svn is a short-term solution? but changing everyone to bzr is probably better, i guess..
[11:16] <dlee> right on both counts imo
[11:20]  * dlee wanders off perchance to sleep
[13:20] <kohwj> hi, when I try to push over sftp, i get a Permission deined:
[13:21] <kohwj> error (errno 13). hold on, let me google it first
[13:22] <kohwj> hm not much luck. ftp works, though
[13:45] <kohwj> never mind, i just solved it with rsync and bzr update
[13:45] <kohwj> bzr is really user-friendly, imo
[13:46] <kohwj> thank you bzr
[15:20] <jelmer> re
[15:20] <Peng> fwd!
[15:21] <TFKyle> bcc!
[19:34] <_markus__> hi
[19:34] <lifeless> yo
[19:37] <_markus__> I'm interested in bzr to use it. I'm currently using svn. I've gone through the user guide but some questions are not answered. I'm not sure if bazaar is the right tool here. I've a central svn server with the projects (can't change this) and would like to check a version out and work offline on it, do offline commits and later merge this changes back to the svn repository. now, svn doesn't...
[19:37] <_markus__> ...support something like local commits. Bazaar seems to do, but I'm unsure how I can work with both together ...
[19:41] <Peng> _markus__: You want to use both bzr and svn?
[19:44] <_markus__> Peng: well .. I don't know, honestly :) I mean, I'm forced to use svn on the central side. I thought bzr can fill me the gap of local commits and then push the changes to the live system. Maybe I understand this wrong.
[19:46] <Peng> _markus__: There's an excellent bzr-svn plugin that lets bzr interact with svn repos. (Minor pain to install though.)
[19:46] <Peng> _markus__: Of course, ideally your office would switch to bzr. ;)
[19:47] <_markus__> Peng: I've this plugin install and read about it .. but maybe I'm dumb but I've no plan in front how things work together :-/
[19:48] <_markus__> (I'm using debian testing, everything is packaged up)
[19:48] <_markus__> Peng: it's not only about the office, but also various open source projects, so it's not my choice, really
[19:48] <Peng> _markus__: I think you can just "bzr branch" from the svn repo, and then "bzr push" your changes back to it.
[19:48] <_markus__> hmm
[19:48] <_markus__> so easy? let me try ..
[19:48] <Peng> _markus__: Ideally, those FOSS projects would switch to bzr too . . . :)
[19:49] <_markus__> Peng: hmm .. is there a nice gui client such as TortoiseSVN? TortoiseSVN is really very useful
[19:50] <Peng> _markus__: There are a few GUI clients. QBzr (Qt), bzr-gtk (GTK+), and TortoiseBzr or something.
[19:54] <_markus__> Peng: hmm .. TortoiseBzr doesn't seem to be nearly somewhere were TortoiseSvn is ... anyway . bzr branch is running. Unexpectedly easy. This command seems to download the complete history information, am I right?
[19:55] <jelmer> _markus__: yes. It will be slow the first time but will cache some data for later use
[20:02] <_markus__> Hm .. seems to hang .. :/
[20:07] <_markus__> Jup, it hangs. Is there any other way without using bzr branch? I used strace, it now just sits there and hangs here "6043  poll("
[20:08] <Odd_Bloke> _markus__: Does it create anything in the expected directory?
[20:12] <_markus__> Odd_Bloke: no, it only created some files in ~/.bazaar/svn-cache/
[20:13] <_markus__> On the console I rea "fetching svn revision info  7/37". The complete svn repos is no more than 50MB
[20:23] <Odd_Bloke> jelmer: ^
[20:28] <LeoNerd> You're right. bzr+ssh is a lot faster than sftp over long-latency links
[20:28] <LeoNerd> Thanks to whoever suggested that earlier
[20:43] <lifeless> LeoNerd: you using a pack repo or knits still ?
[20:43] <LeoNerd> How do I tell?
[20:49] <dlee> LeoNerd: What's the top line from bzr info?
[20:52] <LeoNerd> Standalone tree (format: dirstate-tags)
[20:52] <dato> that's knits
[20:53] <LeoNerd> That's in my checked out branch, not the (rempte) repo on the server
[20:56] <Peng> Run "bzr info http://path.to/remote/repo".
[20:56] <Peng> If you're using a checkout, bzr info might've listed the server's format.
[20:58] <LeoNerd> OK.. Server says Repository branch (format: dirstate-tags)
[21:01] <Peng> If you don't need compatibility with bzr < 0.92, upgrading to pack-0.92 should really boost performance over dumb protocols (http, sftp).
[21:02] <LeoNerd> Right.. Well, it's only me that uses this really, so.. yeah.. I guess I can do that
[21:20] <jelmer> re
[21:20] <Peng> glob!
[21:21] <jelmer> _markus__: Sorry, not sure what could cause that. We're relying on the Subversion libraries there
[21:21] <jelmer> Peng: :-)
[21:21] <jelmer> _markus__: Does it always hang or does retrying work ok?
[21:28] <mwhudson> lifeless: can you email me the loggerhead.conf file you are using for https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/loggerhead/+bug/179347 ?
[21:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 179347 in loggerhead "NotBranchError on startup" [Undecided,New]
[21:29] <lifeless> mwhudson: done
[21:36] <mwhudson> lifeless: how totally strange
[21:36] <lifeless> mwhudson: I thought so.
[21:36]  * mwhudson will look more tomorrow, too tired tonight
[21:36] <lifeless> thanks
[21:37] <lifeless> I grabbed your lp branch from bazaar.lp.net
[21:38] <mwhudson> that's the right place to go
[21:49] <igc> morning
[21:49]  * fullermd waves at igc.
[21:50] <igc> hi fullermd
[22:28] <lifeless> mwhudson: consider relative urls for codebrowse, kthxsavebybandwidth
[22:29] <lifeless> e.g. consider http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~lifeless/squid/squid3-trunk/files/cvs-1%3Ahno-20071220081046-d59dmpbuvvyioekf?file_id=src-19960222132353-t43j7l5jst5z-28
[22:57] <poolie> good morning
[22:59] <spiv> Good morning.


[02:58] <alicam> Anyone online who can help me setup on EC2 in Sydney (ap-southeast-2) because nothing I do is working!
[02:58] <alicam> ap-southeast-2 is not recognised as a valid region when you add it to the environment file.
[03:01] <alicam> When I add ec2.ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com as the ec2-uri variable, as an override for region, it breaks the secure transport, and the auth fails.
[03:14] <thumper> alicam: I have also noticed problems with ap-southeast-2
[03:14] <thumper> alicam: sorry, don't have a fix though
[03:14] <thumper> not all regions created equal
[03:14] <thumper> sydney ec2 lies
[03:14] <thumper> in its api
[03:14] <thumper> I start an image there
[03:14] <thumper> but ask over the api if it is running
[03:14] <thumper> nope
[03:15] <thumper> but I can see it in the aws console
[03:15] <thumper> doesn't matter, api lies
[03:15] <thumper> so *sadface*
[03:15] <alicam> Sadface here too...
[03:16] <alicam> Looks like I'll try for Singapore of Nth Cal
[03:16] <alicam> Any experience with those?
[03:16] <thumper> sorry, no experience there
[03:17] <thumper> good luck
[03:42] <marcoceppi_> alicam: north California should be fine. haven't tried Singapore though
[03:47] <alicam> Thanks
[03:47] <alicam> Thanks Marco. I tried Singapore and it couldn't speak to the instance. It fired up an instance, but then lost contact with it! eird
[03:47] <alicam> Weird
[03:49] <alicam> Marco, is there any reason why I'd have trouble specifying t2.micro instances in my constraints? I don't need m1s
[03:49] <alicam> t1.micro instances, I meant, sorry!
[05:03] <alicam> marcoceppi_: is there a way to make NFS share an instance with memcached, in the same way that mysql and php-fpm can be made to share?
[12:22] <ahasenack> hi guys, where in launchpad can I see the merge proposals against a specific charm?
[12:22] <ahasenack> or, in lp lingo, "+activereviews"?
[12:23] <jamespage> ahasenack, all of the official charm branchs are owned by ~charmers
[12:24] <jamespage> but http://jujucharms.com/review-queue is the definitive source
[12:24] <jamespage> jcastro, sorry about all of the openstack merge proposals
[12:24] <jamespage> :-)
[12:24] <ahasenack> jamespage: hm, ok, but I wanted to get an email when a MP was put up for review against a specific charm
[12:24] <jamespage> adam_g and I will work through those (i.e. we won't merge our own proposals)
[12:25] <jcastro> jamespage: I wasn't complaining
[12:25] <jcastro> I was more like "dang, impressive"
[12:25] <jamespage> jcastro, :-)
[12:25] <ahasenack> jcastro: hey, is there a charm school today?
[12:26] <jcastro> yeah
[12:26] <jcastro> I'll post the reminder to the list
[12:29] <ahasenack> ok
[13:36] <jcastro> sidnei: scale of 1 to 10 how much work is that zero downtime for haproxy?
[13:36] <jcastro> sidnei: that link was awesome btw.
[13:36] <jcastro> http://www.igvita.com/2008/12/02/zero-downtime-restarts-with-haproxy/
[13:36] <jcastro> ^^ for those interested
[13:37] <dpb1> Is there a workaround-type-replacement for debug-hooks missing in juju-core?
[13:37] <dpb1> I want to run commands interactively in the context of a hook on a machine to test out what is happening.
[13:47] <sidnei> jcastro: im considering other alternatives mentioned elsewhere, let me dig a couple more links
[13:49] <jcastro> dpb1: I'm not aware of any at this time
[13:49] <jcastro> marcoceppi_: ^^^
[13:49] <sidnei> jcastro: http://blog.balancedpayments.com/payments-infrastructure-suspending-traffic-zero-downtime-migrations/ is the other one i had in mind, it requires haproxy 1.5 though
[13:50] <sidnei> http://labs.animoto.com/2010/03/10/uptime-with-haproxy/ is a variation of the first one
[15:32] <marcoceppi_> dpb1: not that I know of yet
[15:32] <dpb1> Hey marcoceppi_, :(
[15:34] <marcoceppi_> dpb1: I haven't really tried yet, A lot of my testing is "hook broke, ssh in, patch file, resolved --retry, check again"
[15:35] <dpb1> marcoceppi_: ya, same.
[15:36] <dpb1> marcoceppi_: I was thinking at one point of trying out some kind remote debugging, but then I... slapped myself.
[15:37] <marcoceppi_> dpb1: it'd be nice if core added that again *severe winking towards #juju-dev members*
[15:38] <dpb1> marcoceppi_: I sent an email to juju-dev, hopefully that gets some attention. :)
[15:59] <jcastro> http://ubuntuonair.com/ is up to date, we'll star the charm school in about 2 minutes!
[16:03] <jcastro> ok let's begin
[16:03] <jcastro> if you want to ask questions during the charm school then feel free to do so here
[16:03] <jcastro> you can follow the video stream on http://ubuntuonair.com/
[16:03] <jcastro> today we're doing How to Write a Charm Part II
[16:04] <jcastro> and Mark Mims is going to show us a charm from scratch using what we call a platform charm -- this example will be node.js!
[16:05] <evilnickveitch> \o/
[16:08] <marcoceppi_> woo who!
[16:15] <arosales> charm schooling :-)
[16:59] <jcastro> m_3: you appear to have frozen
[17:04] <arosales> jcastro, m_3 thanks!
[17:07] <m_3> tmux-driven-presentations... whoohoo!
[19:25] <blabla> hi, can someone please point me to the last Jono Bacon Q&A?
[19:25] <blabla> can't find the last videos in the youtube channel
[19:33] <jcastro> for juju?
[19:34] <jcastro> anyone ever get an error similar to this
[19:34] <jcastro> error: Get https://s3.amazonaws.com/juju-e4698ca2abde47dddd405d1f595745e596f/provider-state:
[19:35] <jcastro>  remote error: handshake failure
[19:35] <jcastro> I'm doing a bootstrap and it's alternating between that and error: The specified bucket does not exist
[20:29] <marcoceppi_> jcastro: get them all the time
[21:30] <ahasenack> hm, I'm not understanding why relation-get needs a unit id
[21:30] <ahasenack> in a config-changed hook, I understand I need a -r <relation_id>
[21:31] <ahasenack> isn't that enough? the relation ids are between services, not units
[21:31] <ahasenack> i.e., the r_id between server/0 and client/0 is the same as between server/0 and client/1
[21:31] <ahasenack> meaning in my mind that whatever relation values have been set, the relation id is enough to read them
[21:32] <ahasenack> it wouldn't be different if I did relation-get .... client/0 or client/1
[21:33] <sarnold> ahasenack: would it provide any utility for client/N to determine which of server/0 or server/1 to prefer for its queries/requests?
[21:34] <ahasenack> sarnold: the get command ("question") isn't sent to the server unit, it's "juju" that answers
[21:34] <ahasenack> if I understood the question correctly
[21:34] <sarnold> ahasenack: sorry, I'll back up a bit..
[21:34] <ahasenack> 2013/05/31 21:19:57 INFO worker/uniter/jujuc: running hook tool "relation-get" ["-r" "test-r:1"]
[21:34] <ahasenack> 2013/05/31 21:19:57 DEBUG worker/uniter/jujuc: hook context id "andreas-client/1:config-changed:1660150820142556165"; dir "/var/lib/juju/agents/unit-andreas-client-1/charm"
[21:34] <ahasenack> 2013/05/31 21:19:57 INFO worker/uniter: HOOK error: no unit id specified
[21:34] <ahasenack> that was the error
[21:34] <ahasenack> this is a config-changed context
[21:35] <ahasenack> I added several units before, I printed the relation-ids and they are all the same for all units
[21:35] <ahasenack> meaning, the relation id is between services, not units
[21:35] <sarnold> ahasenack: some clients / protocols (memcached? httpd?) allow clients to query a server and when providing a service, you might wish to spread out which servers get the queries.. I'm curious if requiring the unit id would allow writing config files to say "this client should prefer server/0 before server/1", and another client to configure "server/1 before server/0"
[21:36] <ahasenack> sarnold: ok, I see. What I understood is that it doesn't matter which unit I put in that command, the answer will be the same
[21:36] <ahasenack> hence, why do I have to put the unit in there at all
[21:37] <ahasenack> unless with relation-set I can scope things for a specific unit...
[21:37] <ahasenack> hm
[21:37] <sarnold> ahasenack: memcached isn't a perfect example, since most front-end libs will do something slightly better anyway.. I was just wondering if the intent was to make this feature possible.
[21:37] <ahasenack> let's run a hook again to get relation-set --help
[21:37] <sarnold> hehe
[21:39] <ahasenack> hm, no, relation-set only accepts at most a relation id
[21:39] <sarnold> heh
[21:39] <ahasenack> while
[21:39] <ahasenack> 2013/05/31 21:38:36 INFO andreas-client/1: usage: relation-get [options] <key> <unit id>
[21:39] <ahasenack> so, I don't know
[21:39] <ahasenack> relation-get prints the value of a unit's relation setting, specified by key.
[21:39] <ahasenack> (that was from --help)
[21:40] <ahasenack> that help doesn't seem accurate, as I can call relation-get without any parameters in a relation hook
[21:40] <ahasenack> neither key nor unit are mandatory in that context
[21:41] <ahasenack> mailing list to the rescue
[21:42] <ahasenack> at best I'll know the answer just before hitting "send"
[21:42] <sarnold> :)


[00:26] <UIM> cna i run a web browser with 101MB of RAM?
[00:35] <MrChrisDruif> UIM; yup, try xxxterm
[00:35] <MrChrisDruif> s/yup/yes I think you can
[00:42] <pcroque_> MrChrisDruif: Is installing xxxterm a simple sudo apt-get in Lubuntu 12.04, because in 11.10 it's a little harder?
[00:44] <MrChrisDruif> pcroque_; yes, it's in the default repositories of precise, not oneiric<
[00:44] <Unit193> !info xxxterm precise
[00:44] <MrChrisDruif> !info xxxterm oneiric
[00:44] <MrChrisDruif> See?
[00:44]  * MrChrisDruif didn't know that
[00:45] <pcroque_> Great! Thanks...I'll wait until I install 12.04 to try it out. It looks good.
[00:46] <Unit193> Yeah, they sure like it there.
[00:47] <pcroque_> Nothing against firefox...but it's a little heavy and cumbersome.
[00:48] <UIM> oh so really i have firefox and i can't get unity player for it, isn't it available?
[00:51] <pcroque_> It doesn't look like it works on Linux: "The Unity Web Player is not currently compatible with the operating system that you appear to be using." --from unity3d.com
[03:52] <JoeCoder_> I have an ubuntu server 12.04 (beta) without X.  will apt-get install lubuntu-desktop install lubuntu 12.04 ?
[03:52] <JoeCoder_> is that the correct package to use?
[03:56] <JoeCoder_> it seems so
[03:57] <Unit193> Generally, yes, but I haven't seen it done on a server.
[03:57] <JoeCoder_> we'll find out.  it's a vm, and I backed up the image before trying.
[03:58] <JoeCoder_> 1.1GB.  is there a lightweight version?  I mostly need the ability to paste into the command window.
[03:58] <JoeCoder_> (but thought having a desktop would be nice too)
[03:58] <JoeCoder_> i guess X and a few other things are in there too
[03:58] <Unit193> Not sure how lubuntu-core works in 12, but there is also --no-install-recommends
[04:20] <JoeCoder_> it's installed now.  I run "startlubuntu" and I get "Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:"
[04:21] <JoeCoder_> startx shows a gui and then I get an error Failed to load session "gnome"
[06:56] <LubuntuPowered> So I never turn off my computer and occasionally my monitor will turn black/blank after leaving it on for a while. I'll turn the monitor back on (I turn it off if I'm not going to use it for a period of time, while leaving the system on) and the screen will be black/blank. I've noticed this happened more frequently with 11.10 than with 12.04 ... any idea why this happens and how to prevent it? (The only fix would be to r
[07:21] <LubuntuPowered> also, anyone use Pidgin for irc? how do i exclude join/leaves from showing?
[07:22]  * JohnDoe_71Rus use kvirc. pidgin for icq, jabber
[07:33] <micahg> LubuntuPowered: pidgin plugin pack?
[07:40] <KM0201> LubuntuPowered: how could anyone use pidgin for IRC?
[07:41] <KM0201> pidgin=great IM client, but a horrible irc client
[07:46] <LubuntuPowered> i just want to keep everything together ;p
[07:47] <KM0201> LubuntuPowered: yeah, but.. pidgin for IRC?
[07:47] <KM0201> no way..
[08:08] <micahg> pidgin's a fine IRC client save for the fact that I kept getting floods on freenode
[08:08] <KM0201> ugh, i disagree.. i think its awful
[08:09] <micahg> it's not like there aren't enough IRC/IM client choices in teh archive
[08:09] <Unit193> Yes, but in the long run, what works for them, works for them.
[08:13] <Unit193> micahg: That's not on first connect, just reconnect, right?
[08:14] <micahg> Unit193: first connect with >20+ channels for me
[08:14] <micahg> although I haven't tried in ~1 yr
[08:14] <KM0201> Unit193: i was just joshing him, i don't care what he uses for IRC... ;)
[08:15] <Unit193> As long as you don't get disconnected to the network, you can set in your autojoins #channel1,#channel3,channel6  in the same input box to avoid some of that.
[08:15] <Unit193> KM0201: Yes, and I agree that it really isn't the best, and is rather bad at it. :P
[08:20] <Unit193> http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/11089#comment:4 (I suppose I should link there...)
[08:22] <LubuntuPowered> :-X
[08:24] <LubuntuPowered> was that for me? if so, i meant exclude seeing joins & parts from users in the channels...
[08:24] <LubuntuPowered> sorry for the confusion
[08:24] <LubuntuPowered> auto join and everything works fine
[08:24] <LubuntuPowered> thanks though :)
[08:34] <Unit193> Na, that wasn't for you. There's a way to ignore those, may be in plugin pack though.
[08:37] <Unit193> LubuntuPowered: http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/Using%20Pidgin#hide-joins-parts Boom.
[09:14] <LubuntuPowered> just noticed i have disconnected earlier for a minute, so missed some parts of the convo, seems i was the one who got confused ;p
[09:14] <LubuntuPowered> thanks for the link Unit193
[09:14] <Unit193> Sure.
[10:50] <LubuntuPowered> Alright, I'll go ahead and copy/paste this riddle again before I head off... Just to entertain you guys:
[10:50] <LubuntuPowered> so i'm still having the problem where my system with Lubuntu on it, only receives a fraction of the download speed (4mbps out of 17+mbps from my ISP, but my upload speed is normal (1.4+mbps) only on my Lubuntu powered =P comuter... all my other computers (desktops/laptops/wired/wireless) are all receiving the speeds i'm supposed to be getting. Just a few weeks ago, i decided to play around with the usb connection option
[10:52] <LubuntuPowered> UPDATE: I've learned that the USB ports on this ancient computer is version 1.1, answering the limit of about 8mbps down part...
[10:55] <LubuntuPowered> Also, I have a brand new still-in-plastic-wrap box of the same exact NIC card currently in use, that I've purchased well over a decade ago... I will replace the NIC when I get around to it just to make sure, but lets just assume that I've already done that and the same problem arises for now.
[10:56] <LubuntuPowered> :)
[13:04] <drlaban> Where do I go about reporting bugs about Lubuntu and lxinput?
[13:05] <KM0201> !bugs
[13:05] <drlaban> KM0201: Thank you
[13:06] <KM0201> np
[13:12] <cousteau> http://lubuntu.net/screenshot  is it just me or there aren't any screenshots there in any of the categories?
[13:13] <cousteau> anyway, this is the screenshot I was looking for:  http://blog.lxde.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/pcmanfm-dir-tree.png
[13:14] <cousteau> (i.e. to confirm if pcmanfm already has tree view)
[14:51] <freedomrun_> hi .. is there expected bug for graphical installer to break or this is something specific?
[15:26] <xtop7> Hello! lubuntu on the netbook keeps the battery? Better than ubuntu?
[15:27] <Unit193> 12.04 will be better with laptops all around, but Lubuntu could take less if it brings up the CPU less.
[15:29] <sagaci> I get 4-6 hrs on my dell mini 10
[15:29] <xtop7> Thank you. 12.04 lubuntu LTS? She's in one day with ubuntu released?
[15:30] <Unit193> It's not an LTS in the same sense, but it'll have all the Core updates that Ubuntu has.
[15:31] <xtop7> I have ubuntu on a netbook running 6:00 on the battery 5200 mah
[18:27] <UIM> can i use my camera with cheese?
[18:29] <valdur55> UIM, use for what?
[18:29] <valdur55> for cam to cam chat?
[18:29] <pchapman> Hello.  I am having trouble with a 2TB hard drive.  Every 24 hours or so I get an error that causes the kernel to remount ro
[18:30] <pchapman> EXT4-fs error (device sdb1): ext4_ext_check_inode:398: inode #79298567: comm updatedb.mlocat: bad header/extent: too large eh_max - magic f30a, entries 1, max 20(4), depth 0(0)
[18:30] <pchapman> i've run fsck a few times on it
[18:30] <UIM> valdur55: no just to take photos and videos
[18:31] <valdur55> UIM, Yes, you can do it with cheese.
[18:33] <UIM> Valdur55: how do i set it up? it's saying that no device detected
[18:42] <valdur55> UIM, Do you use USB cam ?
[18:42] <UIM> Valdur55: yes
[18:42] <valdur55> UIM, Install pastebinit and pastebin lsusb output: sudo apt-get install pastebinit && lsusb | pastebinit
[22:48] <w__> hello need help
[22:49] <w__> i have lenovo s10-3c webcam problems - skype doesnot see it


[00:11] <dzho> cmaloney: is the attachment to the keyboard amongst the broken parts, or is it just the general shape of the thing that's busted?
[00:11] <dzho> I ask because I dabble in various materials and I'm wondering if some polycaprolactic acid might be molded to fill in the gap there