[00:39] <Kano> same for prism54 as p54pci has same ids
[00:39] <Kano> remove those from prism54
[00:40] <Kano> very unlikely that a card will work when 2 drivers are loaded
[00:42] <mjg59> Why?
[00:42] <mjg59> Two drivers can't claim the same card
[00:42] <Kano> they do
[00:42] <Kano> in both cases
[00:42] <mjg59> No. They don't.
[00:42] <Kano> of course
[00:42] <mjg59> Really. They don't.
[00:43] <Kano> then buy glasses
[00:43] <mjg59> No. It is impossible for two drivers to claim the same PCI device.
[00:43] <mjg59> The kernel doesn't allow it
[00:43] <mjg59> pci_enable_device() will fail
[00:43] <Kano> so which driver do you think will udev load
[00:43] <Kano> i would say the wrong one
[00:43] <mjg59> It's arbitrary
[00:44] <mjg59> It depends on the order of the inodes in /lib/modules
[00:44] <Kano> funny
[00:44] <Kano> why not make it deterministic by removing pciids like you did for ipw3945
[00:45] <mjg59> That's a perfectly reasonable request
[00:45] <Kano> my card only works with p54pci so remove it from prism54
[00:46] <mjg59> There are some cards with that PCI ID that work better with prism54
[00:46] <Kano> also i would say that b43 - loaded via ssb should be used now and pciids removed from bcm43xx
[00:46] <mjg59> I'd agree
[00:46] <Kano> softmac are more common today
[00:47] <Kano> and p54pci supports those
[00:47] <Kano> as far as i know did prism54 not even support wpa
[00:47] <mjg59> Thanks, Kano
[00:48] <Kano> prism54 is really outdated
[00:49] <Kano> also i build the new 5 kernel without those ipw39/49 drivers. but it dont see em in lum yet
[00:50] <amitk> Have you considered sending in a patch to remove the pciids? To<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and LKML...
[00:50] <Kano> thats something i can not do
[00:51] <amitk> Because?
[00:51] <Kano> i do not write kernel patches, the max is that i seek for code to make a driver work with a new kernel
[00:52] <Kano> therefore i did not announce my own variant of the dmraid45 patch for 2.6.24, but i would suggest to use it as soon as one official one appears like i did not the 2.6.22 kernel - you find still my message in your list
[00:53] <amitk> Then you might be better served writing email to the above email address with the pciids you want removed and your reasons. Putting it on IRC on a Friday night is a hard way get this fixed.
[00:53] <Kano> all?
[00:53] <Kano> as they are the same
[00:53] <Kano> i think it is easy enough to verify this with modinfo
[00:54] <amitk> Put it in email so it does not get lost
[00:54] <Kano> http://www.nabble.com/please-add-dm-raid45-<IP_ADDRESS>-20070724.patch.bz2-p13426286.html
[00:54] <Kano> that was my mail last time
[00:54] <Kano> there is no final 2.6.24 out therefore no offical patch for it yet
[00:55] <Kano> but thats a needed one
[00:55] <Kano> otherwise only kanotix will be able to use raid5
[00:55] <Kano> as i patch that always
[00:55] <amitk> Thanks, Kano
[00:56] <tjaalton> amitk: hey, are you working on lrm?
[00:56] <amitk> tjaalton: sure
[00:57] <Kano> amitk: additional to that patch you need updated dmraid
[00:57] <Kano> but i can provide you that too, thats not the problem
[00:58] <tjaalton> amitk: I sent an email to the list earlier this week (forgot the subject though) with a couple of fixes
[00:59] <amitk> tjaalton: for the nvidia?
[01:00] <tjaalton> amitk: that and the convenience package for fglrx-amdcccle
[01:00] <Kano> btw. as you like your lrm package so much: ati updated fglrx
[01:00] <tjaalton> we know
[01:00] <tjaalton> or, at least I do :)
[01:00] <tjaalton> the list of known issues is longer than the list of fixed ones..
[01:00] <tjaalton> which is no news
[01:01] <Kano> i think only the widescreen bug was fixed not much more
[01:01] <tjaalton> partly
[01:01] <Kano> the most funny part was the modline fix mentioned in the release notes
[01:01] <amitk> tjaalton: This week has been overloaded. We'll get to processing all the patches next week
[01:01] <Kano> http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7427&page=2
[01:02] <Kano> one more modelines -> fatal server error for me...
[01:02] <tjaalton> amitk: there are also some reports about not being able to uninstall nvidia*. I'd like to fix that too
[01:02] <tjaalton> seems to affect amd64 only
[01:03] <amitk> ok
[01:03]  * amitk calls it a day. Have a good weekend guys
[01:03] <tjaalton> hehe
[01:03] <tjaalton> "look at the time fly"
[01:03] <tjaalton> sheesh
[01:05] <tjaalton> I'll work on lrm this weekend and then send a patch on the kernel list..
[02:02] <Kano> tjaalton: do you need a fix for the avm drivers or did you find it on your own?
[02:04] <Kano> i mean the objcopy -L hack
[02:05] <Kano> from Karsten Keil<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[02:06] <mjg59> Is it legal to distribute the modified binaries?
[02:08] <Kano> i see no problem, i even got the test hardware for free
[02:09] <Kano> nobody will hurt you
[02:09] <mjg59> Yes, but what does the license say?
[02:09] <Kano> read it if you like to
[02:10] <mjg59> You're the one offering the patch
[02:11] <Kano> you find it in my avm package
[02:11] <Kano> http://kanotix.com/files/thorhammer/kanotix/non-free/avm/avm_3.11-18.dsc
[02:11] <Kano> this also adds a the cz mod of one driver
[02:13] <Kano> if you want to add that to your repository be sure you have got drdsl for i386+amd64 in it
[02:14] <Kano> capiinfo
[02:14] <Kano> Number of Controllers : 2
[02:14] <Kano> Controller 1:
[02:14] <Kano> Manufacturer: AVM-GmbH
[02:14] <Kano> CPU[AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 3800+ clocked at 1000.000 Mhz]  Kernel[Linux 2.6.24-5-generic i686]  Up[-5:32-]  Mem[-284.8/2027.1MB-]  HDD[-800GB(90%used)-]  Procs[-144-]  Client[Konversation 1.0.1]
[02:14] <Kano> the drivers work
[02:15] <Kano> as long as you know how to use em ;)
[02:16] <Kano> look for fxusb_cz special handlinng
[06:37] <Toma-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/156050/comments/13
[06:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 156050 in linux-source-2.6.22 "r8180 and ieee80211_rtl cause total system lockup." [Undecided,Won't fix]
[06:38] <Toma-> could someone PLEASE re-enable this driver? at least so it can be tested?
[07:57] <Lure> can somebody define upstream packaging for linux-source 2.6.2[04] packages, so that we could link to upstream bugs at bugzilla.kernel.org (and use LP's bug tracking)?
[07:58] <Lure> for bug 104837, I was unable to add link to upstream bug tracker, as the upstream link is not defined
[07:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 104837 in linux-source-2.6.20 "kernel warns BUG: at fs/inotify.c:172 set_dentry_child_flags()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104837
[07:58] <Lure> [08:51] <persia> Lure: You'll first need to use https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+edit-packaging to link the feisty kernel to an upstream project.  You may need to define the project.
[14:05] <laga> btw, i posted an updated patch to bug #182603 . are patches like that one actually suitable for inclusion? (no, not pushing, just wondering if there's any hope for me :))
[14:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182603 in linux "Please add simple lhash patch for aufs" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182603
[14:26] <amitk> laga: is this patch not going to make it into 2.6.24?
[14:38] <laga> amitk: i don't think the aufs maintainer has submitted it for inclusion yet. maybe he will do that when he submits aufs.
[19:10] <blueyed> Can you confirm that my investigation on bug 177713 is correct?
[19:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177713 in boinc "2.6.24-2: Regression with idle cpu cycle handling" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177713
[19:17] <crimsun> yes
[19:17] <crimsun> I was just about to comment that CFS is "causing" that
[19:51] <blueyed> Ok. So all those "use idle cpu in the background" programs need to get patched to change the cpu_share value for their user to something like 2?
[19:56] <crimsun> it's a feasible approach, but it would need more testing
[19:59] <blueyed> I think it's cumbersome to change all those packages. To be more futureproof we might want to use cgroups instead and put those scripts in this group - to make it easier to just apply cpu_share=2 to all of them.
[19:59] <blueyed> btw: I don't think cfs is good in this regard: a totally niced process from another user should not hug the whole cpu slices assigned to this user.
[20:01] <blueyed> I've linked a patch in the lkml post, it may be worth testing, if it applies and makes sense (just skimmed it)


[23:41] <Lancelot> hi all
[23:43] <valorie> hey Lancelot
[23:46] <Lancelot> how's it going valorie?
[23:47] <valorie> good
[23:47] <valorie> enjoying G+
[23:48] <valorie> looking forward to CLS & OSCON next weekend/week
[23:48] <valorie> weather is nice
[23:48] <valorie> how are you?
[23:49] <valorie> hmmm, building two apps at the same time seems to tax the laptop a bit
[23:56] <Lancelot> ah
[23:56] <Lancelot> I'm trying to find a tutorial on how to use the linux shell
[23:57] <Lancelot> I need to get better at using the terminal
[23:59] <Lancelot> oh valorie, how was that KDE conference?


[01:21] <gnu2it2> shinmen: can you tell me what you lines in sources.list are for security?  mine are failing
[01:22] <gnu2it2> for sparc on dapper
[01:30] <shinmen> gnu2it2: Don't have any. I haven't been worried about it since this workstation is only connected to my other workstation, and I'm not really shure if the ports team are pulling out security fixes. Don't take my work for it, but I would suppose that they just fix the packages in the normal repository.
[01:32] <gnu2it2> ok, thanks a bunch


[04:52] <judax> started to work on a spec for Adept User Guide and added section to DocteamProjects
[06:20] <judax> night all
[08:20] <kevogod> fiction --> http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#addingbackports
[08:22] <Burgundavia> kevogod, why do you say that?
[08:22] <Burgundavia> kevogod, dapper has not yet even opened
[08:22] <kevogod> breezy-backports does not exist
[08:22] <Burgundavia> yes, but that is a temporary thing
[08:22] <Burgundavia> file a bug about needing a note for next time
[08:22] <ajmitch> well
[08:23] <Burgundavia> stating "Backports may not start right away"
[08:23] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: what are the plans with svn & bzr?
[08:23] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, no idea
[08:23] <Burgundavia> we have talked about it
[08:23] <ajmitch> I found this & felt like trying to port it to bzr - http://www.dur.ac.uk/j.r.c.geldart/projects/barter/screenshots.html
[08:24] <Burgundavia> yes, that looks very cool
[08:24] <Burgundavia> I spoke to the developer of that a couple of months ago
[08:24] <ajmitch> ah cool
[08:24] <ajmitch> hm, icons are missing
[08:25] <ajmitch> but the 5-minute package I did seems to have worked
[08:25] <ajmitch> bbiab
[08:33] <rob^> hello
[08:35] <rob^> kevogod, no they are not yet, but will be eventually. When we write the doc we need to take everything into account, and after a certain date (string freeze) we cannot add/change the docs so it was a case of either include it now or never
[08:36] <rob^> and seeing as backports are an official project, and it is a faq when backports are available
[08:37] <rob^> and it does no harm really to include it when they are not :)
[08:37] <kevogod> They receive an error message.
[08:37] <kevogod> And it does not work.
[08:38] <rob^> yep
[08:38] <rob^> no harm though
[08:38] <kevogod> To the computer, no.
[08:38] <kevogod> To the reliability of th e the document, yes.
[08:38] <rob^> before the review there was a note there about the issue. it was removed during review
[08:39] <Burgundavia> oops
[08:39] <rob^> iirc
[08:39] <Burgundavia> we should probably have a comment abut that for dapper
[08:39] <rob^> yeah
[08:39] <rob^> bbl baby needs feeding
[08:39] <kevogod> What is the schedule for backports, anyway?
[08:39] <Burgundavia> kevogod, no idea, we are the wrong people to ask
[08:40] <Burgundavia> kevogod, you need to talk to Mez
[08:53] <mdke> kevogod, it is not an error with the doc, it is an error with the backports, the archive should have been created
[08:54] <kevogod> They go hand in hand, IMHO.
[08:55] <mdke> no, it is a bug with backports
[08:55] <mdke> we can't represent all bugs in our documentation
[08:55] <kevogod> It is not necessarily an error in theory in the document.
[08:55] <mdke> there are plenty of errors in that document, but this is NOT one of them
[08:55] <mdke> the backports archive should be created, especially because it is commented in the default sources.list
[08:56] <kevogod> Should've, could've, would've. The user does not care.
[08:57] <mdke> ok so go pester the backports people, there is nothing wrong with the doc
[09:00] <mdke> there are thousands of bugs around, we can't predict them
[09:01] <kevogod> As a whole, it is a good document. Thanks.
[09:02] <mdke> :)
[09:03] <Madpilot> heh
[09:13] <mdke> Burgundavia, had a look at BetterWikiDocs?
[09:15] <Burgundavia> mdke, not yet
[09:17] <Burgundavia> took a look now
[09:17] <Burgundavia> about to go to bed, but will look at it tomorrow
[09:17] <ajmitch> I suppose I should start packaing
[09:17] <Burgundavia> can you give feedback on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugReports
[09:17] <ajmitch> s/packaing/packing/
[09:18] <Burgundavia> I would love to get it good enough to push to the fridge
[09:18] <Burgundavia> night all
[09:18] <mdke> night
[09:18] <ajmitch> hmm
[09:19] <ajmitch> looking like a fairly even split between duck & dragon on the fridge
[09:19] <mdke> :/
[09:22] <mdke> you guys suck
[09:23] <mdke> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake#Animals
[09:23] <mdke> perhaps it is the pokemon character
[09:25] <Madpilot> mdke: look under "Fictional creatures and characters" - first entry is for "European dragon" ;)
[09:25] <mdke> yes
[09:25] <mdke> look at the europea dragon page and search for "drake"
[09:26] <Madpilot> just did, no results. <rude noise>
[09:27] <Madpilot> the move to Linux, summed up: "Hey! We're not in CTRL-ALT-DEL any more!"
[09:27] <Madpilot> from http://theinquirer.net/?article=26935 via The Fridge
[09:28] <ajmitch> hah
[09:28] <Madpilot> it's a good article, actually.
[09:30] <Madpilot> I like the fifth paragraph down, about the "anguish and pain" ;)
[09:31] <ajmitch> yay
[09:31] <ajmitch> seems that my cd writer just doesn't want to cooperate today
[09:31] <ajmitch> so much for a fresh breezy install
[09:32] <Madpilot> it's contagious - I've got an audio CD here that won't play...
[09:32] <ajmitch> oh finally it starts doing something
[09:32] <ajmitch> makes a few noises
[09:33] <ajmitch> cdrecord shows a tiny bit more
[09:33] <Madpilot> meh... it plays fine in my old CDROM, but not in the CD/DVD/burner...
[09:34] <Madpilot> good thing I kept both drives... was going to ditch the CDROM
[09:34] <Madpilot> hardware is indeed fun
[09:35] <ajmitch> yay
[09:35] <ajmitch> finally I get..
[09:35] <ajmitch> cdrecord: CD/DVD-Recorder not ready.
[09:35] <ajmitch> it was because I tried using hdparm on the old cd write, I swear
[09:36] <rob^> go the dragon
[09:37] <rob^> hey has anyone checked out the adept user guide spec?
[09:37] <rob^> it reads too much like what the spec for the Kubuntu FAQ Guide should read for my liking..
[09:38] <rob^> total dupe of effort since we already have kudos as well
[09:42] <rob^> Seveas, you around?
[11:20] <Seveas> rob^, yes
[11:32] <rob^> Seveas, I do want to be part of the cc, but the meetings are usually on at 8am my time (I'm at work)
[11:32] <Seveas> rob^, next week will be different
[11:32] <Seveas> there will be a special forums meeting and i want to sneak in your membership
[11:33] <rob^> oh
[11:33] <rob^> when is it on?
[11:33] <spayne> who here is from Wiki team?
[11:33] <spayne> hey Seveas
[11:33] <mdke> spayne, what's up
[11:33] <Seveas> will 03:00 UTC work for you?
[11:33] <spayne> mdke: i'd like to join the Wiki team :)
[11:33] <rob^> depends what day
[11:34] <mdke> spayne, right
[11:34] <Seveas> rob^, wednesday?
[11:34] <rob^> 0300 UTC is 1pm here, also at work :(
[11:34] <Seveas> rob^, where are you?
[11:34] <rob^> east coast of Australia
[11:35] <Seveas> what times would work for you on wednesday/thursday next week?
[11:35] <mdke> spayne, there is no real barrier to entry on the wiki, just read all the docs and get to know the software
[11:36] <rob^> any time after 0700 UTC either day
[11:36] <mdke> spayne, it is not necessary to join a team as such at the moment, because everyone on the wiki has the same rights
[11:36] <mdke> spayne, but feel free to join the LP team if you want. Read the WikiGuide WikiTeam pages
[11:37] <spayne> mdke: will do - thanks
[11:37] <Madpilot> spayne: also join the ubuntu-doc mailing list, if you haven't already. It's also the wiki discussion list, really...
[11:38] <mdke> joining the LP team as such doesn't actually mean anything
[11:39] <rob^> Seveas, but before 1600 UTC at the latest
[11:40] <rob^> (which is like 2am)
[11:40] <spayne> Madpilot: done!
[11:55] <rob^> mdke you still around?
[11:56] <mdke> yeah
[11:56] <rob^> just regarding the userguide, have you looked at the xfce userguide at all? (the way they do it)
[11:57] <rob^> basically the userguide is a simple overview and a few other things, the sections are written by others
[11:57] <rob^> there is a "user guide" and "manuals"
[11:57] <rob^> http://www.loculus.nl/xfce/documentation/docs-4.2/
[11:57] <mdke> i'll look
[11:58] <mdke> ok, but they don't have a StarterGuide
[11:58] <mdke> for us, I see overlap as a MAJOR issue
[11:58] <rob^> it is
[11:58] <mdke> hence my suggestion 3
[11:58] <rob^> see my comment on UserGuide
[11:59] <mdke> ok so you would faviour my suggestion 1
[11:59] <rob^> if we choose to keep the userguide (just say), the way xfce do it would be easier to do then trying to write one massive document
[11:59] <mdke> i think that is gonna be pretty hard
[12:00] <rob^> I can't say suggestion 1 as I'm not the one contributing to it
[12:00] <mdke> sure
[12:00] <rob^> from where I sit suggestion three would be better
[12:00] <mdke> my problem with suggestion 1 is not the contribution, it's the theoretical difficulty of finding a dividing line and applying it
[12:00] <mdke> the userguide and starterguide would have to continuous interlink
[12:01] <rob^> it would be easier to scrap the user guide and make the faq guide the userguide (with much work)
[12:01] <mdke> well, now you're getting into semantics ;)
[12:02] <mdke> that is still suggestion 3 :)
[12:02] <rob^> i just made the other suggestion as I'm sure there will be people who are in love with the userguide but dont contribute :P
[12:02] <mdke> heh
[12:03] <rob^> ok, well I'm happy with nr 3
[12:04] <mdke> looks like jerome is too
[12:05] <rob^> well thats all three of us ;)
[12:05] <mdke> btw rob^ there is a thread on the forum about Unofficial versus Official guide
[12:05] <rob^> oh
[12:05] <rob^> I don't frequent the forums much, got a link?
[12:06] <mdke> yeah
[12:07] <mdke> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=444162
[12:08] <mdke> sorry that is not the top
[12:08] <rob^> yeah
[12:13] <Madpilot> the forums have even more silly crap and bad advice on them than #ubuntu ever does...
[12:13] <rob^> heh yeah I bet
[12:31] <Belutz> hello all
[12:31] <Belutz> i'm confuse when translating the faqguide
[12:31] <rob^> hi Belutz
[12:31] <rob^> whats the problem your having?
[12:32] <Belutz> when i'm translating the faqguide, should i presume that the user is using ubuntu in my language, or presume that the user is using ubuntu in english? because the menu names is different
[12:32] <rob^> off the top of my head I'd say your language, mdke?
[12:33] <mdke> me too
[12:35] <Belutz> ok then
[12:35] <Belutz> :)
[12:35] <Belutz> are there anything i could do for the doc team, instead just translating it?
[12:38] <rob^> there is always the wiki
[12:38] <rob^> we are always needing help there!
[12:39] <Belutz> ok :)
[12:39] <rob^> if your into xml/docbook at all you can also check out our subversion repository
[12:39] <Belutz> may i ask about the rosetta in here?
[12:39] <mdke> in #launchpad
[12:40] <mdke> for docteam contributions, check out doc.ubuntu.com
[12:40] <Belutz> well, i've been thinking to make a book of ubuntu in my language
[12:46] <mdke> cool
[12:46] <mdke> but it is even cooler if you help on the English docs, so they can be made available in all languages!
[12:47] <Belutz> yes, i will help too, i'll be learning about the docbook
[12:48] <mdke> great
[12:48] <Belutz> i love ubuntu, and i have to contribute something to what i love
[12:49] <mdke> :)
[12:50] <bhuvan> this is regarding rss for w.u.c/RecentChanges. i've a suggestion. shall we discuss here ?
[12:53] <mdke> bhuvan, what is the suggestion?
[12:55] <bhuvan> how about including rss link in our RecentChanges page with 'link' html tag. it'd help firefox users in big extent
[12:55] <rob^> mdke, I replied to that thread
[12:56] <bhuvan> something similar to the one we have at, http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/RecentChanges
[12:57] <mdke> bhuvan, i don't think that our wiki supports rss
[12:57] <bhuvan> it is!
[12:57] <bhuvan> just try, RecentChanges?type=rss_rc
[12:58] <bhuvan> s/type/action
[12:58] <mdke> oh cool
[12:58] <bhuvan> :)
[12:59] <mdke> how do we enable it?
[12:59] <bhuvan> enable, it's fine if we make changes to the script which renders RecentChanges page
[01:00] <bhuvan> if you see the source code of http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/RecentChanges, there's a link tag. we can have something similar over here
[01:00] <mdke> yes
[01:02] <rob^> mdke, whats with #57 on this thread? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=440049
[01:03] <rob^> "The New User Literature Project of the Ubuntu Marketing Team has created in brainstorm a scheme of guide-building inspired by the Unofficial Ubuntu Starter Guide"
[01:03] <rob^> what the heck?
[01:03] <mdke> no idea
[01:03] <rob^> talk about stoming on the docteams toes
[01:04] <rob^> s/stoming/stomping
[01:05] <mdke> that happens all the time, no worries
[01:06] <rob^> who the heck are ubuntupeople anyway?
[01:06] <mdke> no idea
[01:10] <Belutz> they say they are the marketing team
[01:10] <mpt> http://www.ubuntupeople.com/file/forums/viewtopic.php?t=17
[01:10] <rob^> yeah just read that
[01:11] <mpt> bbl, gotta conserve RAM...
[01:11] <rob^> do these people even know whats happening in the ubuntu community or what?
[01:11] <rob^> wackos
[01:11] <ajmitch> often the way
[01:11] <ajmitch> people get enthusiastic about something but don't think to work with the established community
[01:11] <Belutz> rob^, mdke, the docbook you're using are XML right? not SGML?
[01:12] <mdke> that is correct
[01:12] <mdke> rob^, no cause for concern
[01:13] <rob^> no I'm not concerned, just dumbfounded
[01:13] <Belutz> ok
[01:13] <rob^> alright, I'm going to bed, night mdke, ajmitch
[01:13] <ajmitch> night
[01:14] <Belutz> nite nite rob^
[01:14] <Belutz> nite nite ajmitch
[01:47] <jsgotangco> hi
[01:47] <mdke> hey jerome
[01:49] <jsgotangco> hey mdke :)
[01:58] <jsgotangco> ADEPT ROCKS
[01:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:00] <jsgotangco> hehe
[02:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> what did you just do? or is this a general revelation?
[02:15] <jsgotangco> hehe
[02:15] <jsgotangco> i decided to punish (reward?) myself by committing to doing Kubuntu for dapper FULL TIME
[02:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:35] <mdke> full time?
[02:35] <mdke> what about work?
[02:43] <Seveas> dos anyone have the e-mailaddress of rob^?
[02:43] <mdke> sure, he uses it on the mailing list
[02:43] <Seveas> ah of course

[02:53] <jsgotangco> mdke: i meant full time kubuntu in my spare time :)
[02:53] <jsgotangco> heheh
[02:53] <mdke> ;)
[02:54] <jsgotangco> i don't think Riddell has the budget to pay for slackers like me
[02:56] <jsgotangco> hello jjesse
[02:56] <jsgotangco> :)
[02:56] <jjesse> morning jsgotangco
[03:02] <Lathiat> bing!
[03:02] <mdke> hi
[03:02] <mdke> read the spec?
[03:03] <Lathiat> reaidng now
[03:03] <Lathiat> brb
[03:21] <mdke> hey bob2
[03:21] <mdke> which problem were you concerned has no evidence?
[03:31] <jjesse> mdke what was the spec for user guide? on the wiki
[03:32] <mdke> UserGuide, but there is not much there
[03:33] <mdke> bob2?
[03:34] <mdke> i added an example to the first bullet point, but would be interested in any improvements you might suggest
[04:02] <judax> mornin
[04:08] <jjesse> moring judax
[04:08] <judax> hi jjesse
[04:16] <mdke> rob^, i think I know why those xincludes aren't working, it must be because they are outside chapters. Inserting them into a chapter however screws up the dtd... so I can't think of any solution
[04:30] <jsgotangco> are we still in branch?
[04:33] <mdke> yeah /me peers at jbailey
[04:39] <jjesse> kubuntu docs should be merged back into trunk per Riddell
[04:39] <jjesse> Riddell: have you applied the kubuntu stylesheet to userguide yet?
[04:50] <jsgotangco> jjesse: awesome
[05:31] <jsgotangco> hehe i added an emblem to the lp doc team
[05:31] <mdke> nice
[05:32] <mdke> we need a hackergotchi now
[05:36] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:36] <jsgotangco> hehe
[05:36] <jsgotangco> hmm
[05:37] <jsgotangco> is sean quinn still active?
[05:39] <mdke> i still maintain he has never committed
[05:39] <jsgotangco> deactivate?
[05:40] <jsgotangco> we'll see if he complains :)
[05:40] <mdke> you can always reactivate if he does something
[05:40] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:42] <jsgotangco> i have 9 proposed members but i have no idea who these people are
[05:42] <jsgotangco> i guess i have to email them :)
[05:44] <mdke> i know who some of them are
[05:44] <mdke> but none of em have commit access
[05:52] <mdke> jbailey, did you get anywhere on the merge?
[05:53] <mdke> perhaps we can do something?
[06:24] <jsgotangco> mdke: it would be nice to have a doc like the starter guide link to UserDocumentation it has been improving a lot
[06:24] <mdke> agreed
[06:26] <mdke> we need that merge
[06:29] <mdke> i wonder if all it takes is a bit of copy and pasting
[06:32] <mdke> jbailey!!
[06:35] <jsgotangco> sure its copy and pasting and making sure the entities *work*
[06:40] <mdke> well isn't that quite easy?
[06:41] <jsgotangco> well sure but i'd like to see the stuff that jbailey planned in the first place
[06:42] <mdke> me too
[06:42] <jsgotangco> oh well
[06:42] <jsgotangco> i gotta sleep
[06:42] <jsgotangco> its past 1
[06:42] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:42] <jsgotangco> later
[08:13] <mdke> anyone know how to insert some html code into the top of the faqguide html when I build it?
[09:54] <linuxboy> hi
[09:54] <linuxboy> I got a question about a wiki doc
[09:54] <linuxboy> can I ask it here
[09:56] <mdke> sure
[09:58] <spayne> linuxboy: ogra is the edubuntu guy - he may be able to help
[09:58] <linuxboy> I have a bunch of ubuntu pcs at work, which I manage. I use things like 'dsh' to do so. Is there a wiki page/doc all about managing muliple ubuntu pcs in a office situation?
[09:58] <linuxboy> hes not here
[09:58] <mdke> linuxboy, the best you can do is to use the search
[09:58] <mdke> edubuntu uses ltsp, that's not what you want right?
[09:58] <linuxboy> mdke: what do i search for?
[09:58] <linuxboy> mdke: no
[09:58] <linuxboy> spayne: he work with highvoltage ?
[09:59] <spayne> linuxboy: not sure but i know ogra is the main man for edubuntu
[09:59] <mdke> they work on related projects
[10:00] <linuxboy> spayne: but its not edubuntu
[10:00] <linuxboy> its a bunch of normal ubuntu pcs
[10:00] <linuxboy> but I want this doc to have tips like "dsh"
[10:00] <linuxboy> if it doesn't exist, I'll start it
[10:01] <spayne> linuxboy: go for it!
[10:01] <linuxboy> spayne: any ideas for a name?
[10:01] <spayne> linuxboy: how about
[10:01] <linuxboy> ManagingMultipleUbuntuPCs ?
[10:01] <spayne> UbuntuOffice
[10:02] <linuxboy> mdke: what do you think?
[10:02] <spayne> UbuntuOfficeEnvrionment
[10:03] <mdke> linuxboy, anything you like
[10:03] <linuxboy> well...
[10:03] <linuxboy> UbuntuOfficeEnvrionment is too specific
[10:03] <linuxboy> and ManagingMultipleUbuntuPCs is too long
[10:03] <mdke> cut the "ubuntu"
[10:03] <spayne> linuxboy: how about ManagingMultiplePCs
[10:03] <spayne> mdke:  :)
[10:03] <linuxboy> cool
[10:03] <mdke> linuxboy, check out the page WikiGuide for help on editing and rules for guides
[10:04] <spayne> mdke: Wiki people like me and mdke will check it out
[10:04] <spayne> whoops!
[10:04] <spayne> that was meant for linuxboy
[10:05] <linuxboy> heh
[10:05] <linuxboy> what wiki does ubuntu use?
[10:06] <linuxboy> well
[10:06] <mdke> moinmoin
[10:06] <linuxboy> ok
[10:06] <linuxboy> never used that
[10:06] <mdke> :)
[10:06] <linuxboy> I've used mediawiki
[10:07] <mdke> this is quite simple too
[10:07] <mdke> that guide page should help a bit
[10:07] <linuxboy> cool
[10:07] <mdke> and point you towards more comprehensive docs if you need em
[10:07] <linuxboy> now, have I created an account?
[10:07] <mdke> :)
[10:07] <linuxboy> I'm not sure
[10:07] <mdke> if not, now is the time
[10:07] <mdke> search for your name at https://launchpad.net/people
[10:08] <linuxboy> I'm busy remotly upgrading an ubuntu pc
[10:10] <linuxboy> I have registered
[10:11] <linuxboy> oh, hi highvoltage
[10:11] <highvoltage> hi linuxboy
[10:11] <linuxboy> didn't see you there
[10:11] <highvoltage> where?
[10:12] <linuxboy> so, I've now got my password
[10:12] <highvoltage> oh. here.
[10:12] <linuxboy> whats my username?
[10:12] <highvoltage> your e-mail address, i think
[10:12] <linuxboy> ah
[10:12] <linuxboy> that would make sense
[10:14] <linuxboy> how the heck do I create a new page?
[10:14] <linuxboy> visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ManagingMultiplePCs?action=edit
[10:14] <linuxboy> I assume?
[10:14] <highvoltage> type https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThisIsNewPage in URL
[10:15] <highvoltage> yep
[10:15] <linuxboy> then?
[10:15] <linuxboy> wheres the edit button like mediawiki?
[10:15] <highvoltage> you click on "Create new empty page"
[10:16] <linuxboy> You are not allowed to edit this page.
[10:16] <highvoltage> what i do with moinmoin, is go to my UserPreferences,
[10:16] <highvoltage> and choose the option that double-click means edit.
[10:16] <highvoltage> then i just double-click on the pages to edit them.
[10:17] <linuxboy> where is UserPreferences ?
[10:17] <highvoltage> i have edubuntu skin... let me just switch...
[10:17] <linuxboy> ah
[10:17] <spayne> linuxboy: have you logged in?
[10:17] <linuxboy> found it
[10:17] <spayne> :)
[10:21] <mpt> MoinMoin's login process is a bit poor
[10:21] <mpt> you have to log in, then click Back twice, then click Reload
[10:23] <mdke> yeah that blows
[10:23] <linuxboy> heh
[10:23] <mdke> not like launchpad :)
[10:23] <linuxboy> I don't like moinmoni
[10:23] <linuxboy> moinmoin
[10:23] <mdke> i do :)
[10:23] <highvoltage> moinmoin is okay, but it takes getting used to.
[10:23] <mdke> give it a chance
[10:24] <highvoltage> people tend to have difficulty going from moinmoin to mediawiki or vice versa.
[10:24] <linuxboy> Thank you for your changes. Your attention to detail is appreciated.
[10:24] <linuxboy> Status of sending notification mails:
[10:24] <linuxboy> [en]  JeromeGotangco, DanielHolbach2, DanielRobitaille, JonathanRiddell, AndrewMitchell: Mail sent OK
[10:24] <judax> just added kde/adeptguide with first-pass skel of a doc and screenshots, etc.
[10:24] <linuxboy>
[10:24] <linuxboy> heh
[10:24] <linuxboy> they will see the crap I wrote
[10:25] <mdke> you didn't insert a COMMENT!!
[10:25] <mdke> you must die
[10:25] <highvoltage> hehe
[10:25] <linuxboy> I'll read the rules *after* I've broken them
[10:25] <mdke> it says to insert a comment on the WikiGuide
[10:26] <mdke> if we succeed in moving the wiki documentation, we'll have to hack moin and make that mandatory :)
[10:28] <jjesse> judax: just saw the adeptguide stuff that rocks
[10:28] <judax> jjesse: thx, very early, but it is a start
[10:29] <mdke> oof nice work
[10:29] <mdke> we should have that contribution stuff in a separate page though
[10:31] <mdke> omg i was just looking at the spec, now I see there is a doc already too!
[10:31] <mdke> like judax
[10:31] <mdke> like/nice
[10:31] <judax> hehe, thx
[10:32] <jjesse> hey kubuntu docs are quick now :)
[10:33] <judax> kubuntu rocks!
[10:34] <linuxboy> night guys
[10:34] <judax> night linuxboy
[10:34] <linuxboy> I'll add real content to my wiki tomorrow
[10:34] <mdke> nite and welcome
[10:34] <linuxboy> if I get a chance
[11:22] <judax> just found an open-box mac mini at the store for cheap-cheap, looks like it is time for kubuntu ppc
[11:47] <spayne> night all
[11:47] <spayne> judax: i just bought a Mac Mini - it is sweet ass!
[11:48] <spayne> judax: i have it dual booting between OS X and Ubuntu
[11:48] <spayne> http://www.evolutionconsultancy.com/~spayne/photos/CD-Macs.jpg
[11:48] <judax> spayne: cool, I am glad I got it!
[11:48] <spayne> http://www.evolutionconsultancy.com/~spayne/photos/SebFace.jpg
[11:48] <spayne> http://www.evolutionconsultancy.com/~spayne/photos/SebMac.jpg