[00:01] <djsiegel1> As far as I know, we don't have any Canonical devs assigned to this
[00:01] <djsiegel1> not explicitly
[00:01] <djsiegel1> I am driving DUX team involvement, and community participation
[00:02] <seele> ok, in that case i really dont think we could do 30 bugs in 12 weeks.. i was thinking more like 10-15 which is a small enough number to count towards the 100 without taking too big of a chunk out of ubuntu
[00:03] <djsiegel1> hmm
[00:03] <seele> i can think of 2, maybe 3 people i could get to work on patches, and possibly some upstream participation
[00:04] <djsiegel1> I just don't want to say "Ubuntu fixed 10 paper cuts, Kubuntu fixed 1", I feel that will not look fair.
[00:04] <dtchen> i don't think perception here is necessarily a fair metric, so i would just ignore that
[00:04] <seele> i dunno.. i think have a spin off project would look worse, but that's just my own perception of how it would be interpreted
[00:04] <djsiegel1> We are going to drive these weekly milestones, and if we show 9 Ubuntu bugs and 1 Kubuntu bug, would that make the Kubuntu community feel good about it, or bad?
[00:05] <seele> the fact there are kubuntu bugs at all i think is good
[00:05] <seele> it would be something people dont expect
[00:05] <djsiegel1> well, I agree, all bug fixes are good
[00:05] <djsiegel1> I am just afraid splitting the 100 sounds good, but might not actually make people happy then they see the results
[00:05] <djsiegel1> when they*
[00:06] <djsiegel1> I am getting too tired to think or type straight.
[00:06] <dtchen> i'm with seele on it; seeing kubuntu bits is a great start
[00:06] <seele> yeah, i dunno. i'm thinking positively. kubuntu is hardly ever mentioned when it comes to ubuntu PR. that's why i think any kubuntu participation in the official project will be seen as good
[00:07] <djsiegel1> ok, so, let's plan this for now
[00:07] <djsiegel1> seele: will you confirm a kubuntu papercut in hundredpapercuts that I can add to next week's milestone?
[00:08] <seele> djsiegel1: ok
[00:08] <djsiegel1> We will try to deliver 10 Ubuntu paper cuts and 1 Kubuntu paper cut for Friday, and we can see what next week teaches us about our capacity.
[00:08] <seele> do i have to be part of the hundredpapercuts project to confirm a bug to it?
[00:08] <djsiegel1> no
[00:09] <seele> ok
[00:09] <djsiegel1> The kubuntu paper cut will be part of the milestone, so it will be celebrated along with all of the others, discussed in all the blogs, etc.
[00:10] <seele> djsiegel1: ok cool
[00:10] <djsiegel1> Each week, we can try to plan 1 or 2 kubuntu bugs for the milestone after the next
[00:10] <djsiegel1> so each week we have kubuntu paper cuts to celebrate
[00:11] <djsiegel1> and at the end, if all goes perfectly, we will have 100 ubuntu + 10 or more kubuntu paper cuts
[00:11] <seele> ok sounds good. i guess the question left is do i talk about it as the same 100 papercuts project or the kubuntu papercuts projec?
[00:11] <seele> it seems like there were some questions about that on my blog
[00:11] <djsiegel1> it's all the same project
[00:11] <djsiegel1> hundredpapercuts
[00:11] <seele> ok
[00:11] <djsiegel1> but kubuntu bugs should be tagged in launchpad
[00:12] <djsiegel1> so now it's 100+ paper cuts
[00:13] <seele> well, were you really giong to stop if ubuntu hit 100 by itself?
[00:13] <djsiegel1> no, we have other work to do! :)
[00:13] <djsiegel1> We are planning 10 each week at this point
[00:13] <djsiegel1> when we get to 100, by all means we can continue working
[00:14] <seele> ok.
[00:14] <djsiegel1> but at the end I want a changelog with 100 ubuntu paper cuts
[00:14] <djsiegel1> and the kubuntu papercuts
[00:14] <djsiegel1> not 107 ubuntu paper cuts :)
[00:15] <djsiegel1> who knows, we might not even be able to deliver 40
[00:16] <seele> hehe, then i'll be sure kubuntu eats the remaining 60 ;)
[00:16] <djsiegel1> sounds great
[00:16] <seaLne> do the papercuts include network manager?
[00:16] <seele> seaLne: network manager requires major surgery, not a bandaid ;)
[00:16] <djsiegel1> seaLne: if the fixes are trivial, yes
[00:16] <seele> network manager is like, a sliced off finger you need to use leeches on
[00:17] <seaLne> really not looking forward to going to gran canaria with no working wireless
[00:17] <djsiegel1> for example, one of this week's bugs is replacing the string "auto eth0"
[00:17] <seaLne> ah
[00:17] <djsiegel1> ah, actually getting your wifi working is not a paper cut :)
[00:17] <seaLne> the problem is network manager not my actuall wifi
[00:18] <seaLne> even with wired connection it still continually pretends its trying to connect on wlan0
[00:19] <djsiegel1> seaLne: yeah, big usability issue, but too big to be a paper cut -- I think that issue has already been filed in hundredpapercuts
[00:19] <seaLne> but on the vague bonus side in karmic i can use the video software i need for doing gcds
[00:19] <djsiegel1> seaLne: I experience it every morning
[00:20] <seaLne> sorry just back from the pub so extra bitchy
[00:21] <djsiegel1> seele: I think I failed to make something clear -- Ubuntu *will* stop counting paper cuts for Karmic at 100. Our process just doesn't account for it. 10 milestones X 10 bugs = 100 at the end. Additional fixed paper cuts can land, but will not compose "The 100"
[00:22] <seele> djsiegel1: ok
[00:22] <rickspencer3> I'm back
[00:22] <rickspencer3> did you guys sort it?
[00:22] <djsiegel1> yeah, I think so
[00:22] <rickspencer3> please don't make me read back
[00:22] <rickspencer3> :)
[00:22] <seele> djsiegel1: so if you don't hit your target kubuntu counts towards the total?
[00:23] <djsiegel1> yes, kubuntu could save ubuntu for the even 100 :)
[00:23] <djsiegel1> I don't see why not.
[00:23]  * rickspencer3 thinks djsiegel1 <3 the number 100
[00:23] <djsiegel1> Unless we get 99...
[00:23] <djsiegel1> hehe
[00:23] <seele> yeah, then 1 kubuntu papercut will look weird
[00:24] <djsiegel1> we will be better able to answer those questions in a few weeks
[00:26] <rickspencer3> seele: what was decided?
[00:27] <seele> rickspencer3: 1 paperkut per week, gets talked about in the summary tallies, will be listed in the changelog, but wont count towards the official tally unless ubuntu can't hit the target
[00:28] <rickspencer3> ok
[00:28] <rickspencer3> so this whole "has to be exactly 100" thing is pretty important to djsiegel1 I take it
[00:29] <djsiegel1> rickspencer3: we've just already mentioned that number so many times
[00:29] <djsiegel1> I feel like it's on my head if we don't do 100
[00:29] <rickspencer3> okay
[00:29] <rickspencer3> I still think 100 is a concept, not a number in this context
[00:29] <seele> rickspencer3: the press wont see it as a concept ;)
[00:29] <rickspencer3> but, I guess my necks not on the line :)
[00:29] <djsiegel1> right
[00:30] <rickspencer3> hmm
[00:30] <djsiegel1> everyone has already taken it as promised
[00:30] <rickspencer3> I guess the press doesn't concern me much
[00:30] <djsiegel1> "Ubuntu commits to fix 100 usability bugs"
[00:30] <rickspencer3> the users and the contributors do though
[00:30] <djsiegel1> if it's < 100, it looks bad
[00:30] <rickspencer3> right, but if it's 104, that's not bad, is it?
[00:30] <djsiegel1> no, not at all
[00:30] <rickspencer3> or even 120?
[00:31] <djsiegel1> that's great too
[00:31] <seele> it only looks bad if it is < 100 :)
[00:31] <rickspencer3> than I'm a tad confused by the "don't count the Kubuntu ones unless... " piece
[00:31] <djsiegel1> so, there's little marginal benefit to going past 100
[00:31] <djsiegel1> 100 is magic
[00:31] <djsiegel1> even going to 120
[00:31] <djsiegel1> it's not 20% better
[00:31] <djsiegel1> we can actually *fix* 120 for karmic
[00:31] <rickspencer3> it seems like if the concern is hitting 100, we would want to count all the ones that we can
[00:31] <djsiegel1> but we should still point at 100 fixed
[00:31] <djsiegel1> when we list them
[00:32] <djsiegel1> and call it One Hundred
[00:32] <rickspencer3> well ... it's not important for me to understand
[00:32] <djsiegel1> haha
[00:32] <rickspencer3> I'm just glad you guys have a plan you are happy with
[00:33] <djsiegel1> when we say we will fix 100, delivering 80 looks like we failed to get them all, and delivering 120 looks like we underestimated ourselves and didn't plan right
[00:34] <seele> keep in mind, it isn't just 100 bugs
[00:34] <seele> they are 100 usability-related bugs
[00:34] <seele> identifying that many real usability bugs that are also small enough to count as a papercut will be hard
[00:34] <rickspencer3> I really don't think over shooting by 20 will have any negative conotations
[00:35] <seele> i dont either, but 100 still sounds like a lot, especially compared to how many "usability" bugs have been fixed in the past
[00:35] <ivanka> hello - it's so past my bedtime I thought I would stay out of this but I agree with seele
[00:36] <rickspencer3> hi ivanka
[00:36]  * rickspencer3 hands ivanka a cup of coffee
[00:36]  * seele waves to ivanka
[00:36] <ivanka> 100 usability bugs and 100 usability solutions is not going to terribly simple
[00:36] <rickspencer3> agreed
[00:36]  * ivanka waves back and spills the coffee
[00:36] <rickspencer3> I was hoping to see like 40 fixed
[00:36] <rickspencer3> out of all the ones nominated
[00:37] <seele> i think a lot of the usability bugs identified probably wont end up as papercuts. small problems do not mean small solutions
[00:37] <ivanka> however, I also agree with djsiegel1 that it is way to early to aim for anything less than 100
[00:37] <rickspencer3> right, so let's just throw the Kubuntu ones into the mix and push hard on the total number
[00:37] <ivanka> small solutions might have been a better aim :)
[00:38] <ivanka> but it wouldn't have been so exciting
[00:38] <djsiegel1> no, you've all got it backwards
[00:38] <rickspencer3> what's backwards?
[00:39] <djsiegel1> the solutions are small, the problems are big
[00:39] <rickspencer3> hehe
[00:39] <djsiegel1> the idea paper cut causes infinite pain and costs zero to fix
[00:39] <djsiegel1> ideal*
[00:39] <ivanka> yes
[00:39] <ivanka> but
[00:40] <ivanka> short of bringing down a big usability hammer and saying 'make it like this'
[00:40] <seele> i think of papercuts as fleas on a dog
[00:40] <seele> one isn't that bad, but a bunch of them are annoying
[00:40] <ivanka> some of these things have implications on other things
[00:40] <djsiegel1> I think of them as drops of acid on my eyeball
[00:40] <djsiegel1> haha
[00:40] <ivanka> ouch!
[00:40] <seele> ivanka: exactly
[00:41] <djsiegel1> yes, we discovered today that 1 of the ten for next week was not easy enough to fix
[00:41] <ivanka> one taxonomy change and suddenly the whole menu is weird
[00:41] <seele> djsiegel1: does that mean you will replace it or just take longer to fix a papercut?
[00:41] <djsiegel1> replaced it
[00:41] <djsiegel1> it means we were wrong about it being a paper cut
[00:41] <djsiegel1> it was "Move to Trash" in the context menu of a file on a disk you are about to burn
[00:42] <ivanka> blimey! that not a papercut?
[00:42] <djsiegel1> changing that to "Remove from Disc" or something turned out not to be feasible
[00:42] <seele> ivanka: or moving one button and disrupting the workflow of a task
[00:42] <djsiegel1> the codebase doesn't differentiate between moving a file to trash and removing a file from a disc you are burning
[00:42] <seele> ew
[00:42] <djsiegel1> I didn't verify, but someone checked upstream
[00:43] <djsiegel1> besides, the package (nautilus-cd-burner) is deprecated
[00:43] <seele> yeah, there have been a few weird things like that in kde, where we could fix something seemingly minor because of the technology
[00:43] <djsiegel1> no biggie
[00:43] <ivanka> pragmatic papercuts
[00:43] <ivanka> I like
[00:44] <djsiegel1> ok, this guy's got a date
[00:44] <djsiegel1> time to go
[00:45] <djsiegel1> have a nice weekend, all
[00:45] <ivanka> have fun!
[00:45] <ivanka> byeeeeee
[00:45] <rickspencer3> bye!
[00:48] <seele> anyone have a link to the proposed kubuntu start logo?
[01:02] <lex79> this? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kubuntu+start+button?content=92234
[01:09] <seele> lex79: yep, thanks
[01:09] <lex79> ;)
[01:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[01:14] <apachelogger> lex79: anything to revu?
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pong
[01:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what to talk about in my ruby talk for KTD?
[01:15] <JontheEchidna> make a plasmoid?
[01:16] <apachelogger> nah :P
[01:16] <lex79> apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/fotowall
[01:16] <lex79> the problem is: 5) All the 3rdparty components are slightly modified for Fotowall.
[01:17] <apachelogger> lex79: so? upstream shall push changes upstream :P
[01:18] <apachelogger> if upstream does modifications upstream's upstream would not be interested, upstream should not do them :P
[01:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, Riddell: ruby intro + kde ruby hello + a quick look at some ruby magic (i.e. ninja scripts and amarok's release script) should be enough to fill a session
[01:20] <lex79> apachelogger: so, what should I do? I can't debundle the 3rdparty components
[01:20] <apachelogger> I am somewhat uninteressted in tutoring the creation of a plasmoid, since most of the effort is really backend stuff that is kinda not fancy at all :D
[01:20] <apachelogger> lex79: poke upstream again
[01:21] <lex79> uff :(
[01:21] <apachelogger> if he promises to get rid of it we probably can upload and hope he keeps that promise ;-)
[01:21] <seele> anyone else have two batteries and have problems with the widget icon displaying properly?
[01:21] <apachelogger> also, it might make sense to mention that in a packagers readme
[01:22] <JontheEchidna> seele: like in bug 380251?
[01:22] <seele> JontheEchidna: yep thanks!
[01:22] <JontheEchidna> maybe bug 368680 too
[01:22]  * seele wonders if that is too hard to fix as a papercut
[01:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what to do with bug 381599
[01:22] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: close our eyes and hope it goes away? :P
[01:23] <apachelogger> aint no good :P
[01:23] <apachelogger> you know
[01:23] <apachelogger> either all other distros do not deploy koffice 2 or a debian patch screws it up
[01:23] <apachelogger> cause google only lists search results for debian and ubntu
[01:24] <apachelogger> ubuntu even
[01:24] <rgreening> hey all
[01:24] <JontheEchidna> seele: I'm going to mark that as a dupe of bug 368680
[01:24] <JontheEchidna> I probably should look upstream for a corresponding bug
[01:24] <rgreening> I can help fix sum cuts after finishing usb-creator
[01:25] <rgreening> so nixternal won't be the only one with C++ skillz :)
[01:26] <apachelogger> bloat skillz that is :P
[01:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: fancy name suggestions for the KTD session?
[01:27] <rgreening> lol
[01:27] <rgreening> apachelogger: but I sure can dance for a bloated man
[01:28] <rgreening> and you know you liked my video too apachelogger
[01:28] <rgreening> :P
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> uh
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> The Last Ruby Unicorn
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> ... Barbie girl
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> :D
[01:29] <rgreening> lol
[01:30] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kinda depressing aint it?
[01:30] <apachelogger> rgreening: I sure didn't watch it :P
[01:30] <rgreening> hah
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> seele: is this still an issue for you in KDE 4.3? There seems to be one fixed bug about 2 batteries, but maybe there is more than one issue: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196721
[01:32] <seele> JontheEchidna: i dont know if the offset problem is the same as the broken looking icon problem
[01:44] <shtylman> JontheEchidna: yea...the problem was that you have to have effects on and whatnot...therefore the fullscreen case is a catch all for people that don't have effects...we get a consistent look
[01:45] <shtylman> Riddell: don't know about what file you can check...but I imagine that is one...query the username...my guess if that if it is "ubuntu" then your are probly in a live session? .. cjwatson might know what file you can query
[01:45]  * JontheEchidna nods
[01:45] <JontheEchidna> I couldn't manage to get the actual install frame transparent like a "real" plasmoid, but it still looks quite nice
[01:46] <shtylman> right...you could get the install frame transparent if the border images were svg... but then my fear is being too crowded for the user
[01:46] <shtylman> transparency is cool...but can also distract from the task at hand...and text reading gets harder
[01:47] <shtylman> seele: did you manage to get a look or what me to knock out some screenshots?
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> I hope we can find some way to do no-borders w/o resorting to fullscreen, since otherwise you couldn't do anything while it installs
[01:48] <seele> shtylman: i only saw one screenshot, if you could create a collection so i can see all the screens that would be helpful
[01:49] <shtylman> JontheEchidna: the idea is that after you hit the install button on the last step it will minimize and you can work while it installs...we will also provide a minimize icon in the upper right corner to minimize at any time
[01:49] <shtylman> seele: will do
[01:49] <JontheEchidna> clever
[01:50] <seele> shtylman: thanks
[01:50] <JontheEchidna> have you seen the new kpackagekit animations in the new version in karmic? Mayhaps we should steal some of those...
[01:50] <shtylman> nope..but will gladly look into it :)
[01:53] <JontheEchidna> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/sysadmin/kpackagekit/KPackageKit/Animations/
[01:53] <JontheEchidna> buncha .mng files
[01:56] <shtylman> cool
[01:56] <shtylman> and those replace some icons?
[01:56] <shtylman> seele: http://shtylman.com/stuff/kubuntu_installer/steps/
[01:57] <JontheEchidna> I was thinking that while ubiquity is doing its kdialogs-with-progressbars we could slap a couple of those up where appropriate
[01:57] <shtylman> indeed...that could look nice
[01:58] <JontheEchidna> if we're gonna go bling we might as well go all the way and beat the pants off of ubiquity-gtk ;-)
[01:58] <shtylman> :)
[02:00] <seele> shtylman: thanks
[02:01] <shtylman> its obviously just a mockup app...but it gets across many of the ideas I want to try
[02:02] <JontheEchidna> oh, have you seen krunner do its little slidy thing when you mouse over the results?
[02:02] <JontheEchidna> maybe when the user goes down a step it could do a slidy thing
[02:03] <shtylman> tht would be nice...must admit I havn't the slightest idea how to do that... :)
[02:03] <JontheEchidna> prolly would need some QGraphicsWidget magic
[02:03] <JontheEchidna> though I'm not sure how I'd do it either ;-)
[02:29] <shtylman> http://shtylman.com/stuff/kubuntu_installer/ubiquity_step5_trans.png <-- with a little transparency on the main widget...
[02:35] <apachelogger> Riddell, JontheEchidna: would you like to have anything specific covered? I am currently trying to give a general syntax overview and cover the basics to get started with simple ruby stuff
[02:50] <seele> anyone have a copy of kde svn? can you grep the string "Abort" and tell me how many times it occurs?
[03:03] <rgreening> shtylman: wow.. sum blingy pic
[03:07] <shtylman> :)
[03:20] <nhandler> ryanakca: ping
[03:51] <nhandler> ryanakca: There is a bug with the kubuntunew theme. You are unable to click on the links in a table of contents
[03:52] <apachelogger> hm, almost 5am
[03:53] <apachelogger> I prolly should go to bed at some point :P
[03:53] <apachelogger> the good news is that my ruby talk is somewhat complete ... well if it is long enough
[03:54] <nellery> nhandler: works fine for me
[03:54] <nellery> hm actually it only works for some of them
[03:55] <nhandler> nellery: How does it look on tiny pages such as http://tinyurl.com/lguhy5
[03:57] <nellery> nhandler: there's no table of contents that I can see on that page
[03:58] <nellery> (all links work fine on that page)
[03:58] <nhandler> nellery: There isn't. I was talking more about the bottom of the page where you have hte Edit, Page history, subscribe, etc links
[03:58] <nhandler> I just think that it looks a little ugly
[04:08] <ryanakca> nhandler: Yep, nixternal (I think) filed a bug about it. Feel free to confirm it for me, kubuntu-website project
[04:09] <ryanakca> I'll probably get to fixing it Tuesday...  Did you see the videos posted by cdavis on identi.ca ?
[04:25] <nixternal> no I haven't
[04:25] <nixternal> link me please
[04:25] <nixternal> what are they of? who is cdavis? to many people on identi.ca for me to remember
[04:25] <nhandler> nixternal: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tuxstorm/
[04:26] <nixternal> ahh, nice flooding, we have the same at the bottom of the hill...we can't get over to lake street
[04:27] <nixternal> just before lake on gary there is a school bus on the right hand side that sits in a yard, it is almost completely under water
[04:27] <nixternal> how that happened I don't know
[04:29] <vorian> never gonna give you up
[04:29] <nixternal> why thanks sweety!
[04:29] <vorian> yuuuuuuuuuusss
[04:30] <vorian> nhandler: sorry about mibbit - although you are the only legit person I know who used it
[04:30] <nhandler> vorian: Yeah, now I need to find a new web-based client to use since the Freenode one is really lacking in features
[04:31] <vorian> might I suggest irssi
[04:31] <vorian> I can lend a shell if you need one
[04:32] <nixternal> vorian: I used mibbit in school when they blocked all the damn ports but http stuff
[04:32] <nhandler> vorian: irssi+screen over ssh would be awesome!
[04:32] <nixternal> it all happened in the matter of minuts...one minute I am ssh'd into my server, the next minute I am not, and never again was I able to use their network and ssh into my server
[04:32] <nhandler> I have access to one remote machine (spooky), but I doubt they would appreciate me using it for irc ;)
[04:33] <nixternal> nhandler: I have a spare p4 with like 128mb of rambus
[04:33] <nixternal> it will work fine for a server that you can use for that and filed
[04:33] <nixternal> s/filed/files/
[04:43] <vorian> make the damn kwalletd notification go the freak away
[04:43] <vorian> really sleep when laptop lid closes
[06:39] <ScottK> Tonio_: How goes settings for netbook?
[07:06] <nixternal> alrighty all, I have a bike race in the name of Ubuntu in the morning...wish me luck and if all goes well, I will be alive tomorrow afternoon :)
[07:07]  * nixternal needs a real Ubuntu/Kubuntu cycling jersey for these races...my plan jersey isn't cutting it
[07:07] <nixternal> g'nite
[16:08] <freinhard> apachelogger: neon=> kde-nightly-googlegadgets-dbg depends on kde-nightly-qt which isn't available for jaunty.
[16:23] <apachelogger> freinhard: indeed
[16:36] <apachelogger> freinhard: started a stack upgrade
[16:37] <apachelogger> hopefully that doesn't fail :D
[16:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: looks like dist-upgrades should be a lot faster from jaunty to karmic :D
[16:37] <apachelogger> lzma is reducing everything quite nicely :D
[16:43] <freinhard> apachelogger: is there a progress/status page?
[16:47] <apachelogger> not really
[16:50] <apachelogger> Nightrose: /build/buildd/amarok-nightly-20090620+svn984199/src/EngineController.cpp: In member function 'void EngineController::playUrl(const KUrl&, uint)':
[16:50] <apachelogger> /build/buildd/amarok-nightly-20090620+svn984199/src/EngineController.cpp:361: error: 'class Phonon::MediaObject' has no member named 'clear'
[16:50] <apachelogger> too old phonon?
[17:06] <apachelogger> svn rev 984358
[17:16] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: assigned bug 340206 to you
[18:41] <neversfelde> if someone is in a reviewing mood: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/plasma-widget-plasmaboard
[18:52] <e-jat> kde 4.3 rc1 will be release on 30 june right ?
[18:53] <DaskreeCH> http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.3_Release_Schedule
[19:00] <neversfelde> is bug 66362 a "Won't Fix" or "Fix Released". Kalzium has this feature in Karmic?
[19:01] <neversfelde> and Edgy or Dapper are dead
[19:04] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: fixed
[19:04] <neversfelde> ok, thanks
[19:19] <nellery> neversfelde: just took a look at it.  At first glance the only thing I see is that debian/copyright mentions that it is licensed under GPLv2 specifically
[19:19] <nellery> but the source code headers mention that at your option, it can be any later version
[19:20] <nellery> I think dh_make offers two options when you specify GPL, one for each
[19:20] <nellery> (just commented in REVU)
[19:24] <neversfelde> nellery: thanks, reuploaded
[19:27] <e-jat> DaskreeCH: k
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: numblock -> num lock, and debian recently released Standards-Version 3.8.2. Other than that it looks perfect
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> and to be fair lintian doesn't know about 3.8.2 yet either ;-)
[19:31] <neversfelde> JontheEchidna: I switched back to 3.8.1 because of lintian
[19:32] <JontheEchidna> Yeah, I wouldn't not upload it for that. It's not *that* big of a deal really
[19:33] <neversfelde> mhh, I thought that the numblock is the block right next to the keyboard
[19:33] <neversfelde> so this is the num lock or is num lock the feature
[19:33] <nellery> that's what I was thinking
[19:33] <nellery> or is it numpad?
[19:34] <JontheEchidna> yeah, numpad
[19:34] <JontheEchidna> though it wouldn't hurt to say number pad
[19:34] <neversfelde> ok, I will change it to number pad and 3.8.2
[19:36] <nellery> neversfelde: have you tested it out, does it work fine?
[19:36] <neversfelde> yesm it works
[19:36] <neversfelde> but only with KDE 4.3
[19:38]  * neversfelde wonders where he got the GPL text without the option
[19:40] <nellery> did you specify -c gpl with dh_make?
[19:40] <neversfelde> no, I did that manually
[19:40] <neversfelde> probably I should use dh_make the next time
[19:41] <nellery> ah
[19:41] <neversfelde> uploaded a new version
[19:42] <nellery> neversfelde: looks good, I'll build it one more time then advocate
[19:43] <neversfelde> thank you
[19:47] <nellery> neversfelde: good work, advocated
[19:48] <neversfelde> :)
[19:50] <nhandler> neversfelde: Need another advocate? Or are you good?
[19:51] <milian> is there a bigmem ppa available? or is 64bit the only way to go (would implicate a reinstallation)
[19:52] <neversfelde> nhandler: if JontheEchidna advocates, too? I am good.
[19:52] <nhandler> neversfelde: Ok, just thought I'd offer
[19:53] <JontheEchidna> neversfelde: oh, right. got distracted
[19:53] <neversfelde> nhandler: thanks
[19:54] <JontheEchidna> advocated and uploading
[19:54] <neversfelde> that was fast :)
[19:55] <nellery> JontheEchidna: are new packages uploaded the same as regular packages?
[19:55] <nellery> congrats neversfelde :)
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> nellery: yeah, the same sponsorship process and all. The only difference is that you need to forward the acceptance email to ubuntu-motu
[19:56] <nellery> thanks
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> ...which reminds me, I need to do that for kcm-gtk
[20:00] <nhandler> nellery: Did you see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/New ?
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> Oh, you're a new motu? I thought you already had been one.
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> Congrats :)
[20:05] <nellery> new as in for about a week
[20:05] <nellery> nhandler: yep, but I don't think that details new packages
[20:05] <nellery> or does it...
[20:06] <nellery> either way, it's the same
[20:08] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[21:50] <seaLne> Riddell: worked out why i was getting configfile creation errors something is wrong with my /home fs
[21:50] <seaLne> "This should not happen.!! Data will be lost
[21:51] <seaLne> nice ext4 error
[22:01] <DaskreeCH> Danger Shill Robbinson!


[10:12] <AlexExtreme> btw Keybuk, I don't know if you knew already but I just noticed Fedora is planning to switch to a new init system in FC7, and Upstart is one of 3 candidates. The other 2 are initng and launchd
[10:26] <Keybuk> AlexExtreme: interesting, reference?
[10:27] <AlexExtreme> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureNewInit
[10:27] <Keybuk> (brb)
[10:28] <AlexExtreme> wb
[10:28] <AlexExtreme> there's also this: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2006-December/msg00170.html
[10:28] <Keybuk> back
[10:40] <AlexExtreme> gotta go, night
[10:45] <Keybuk> interesting
[10:45] <Keybuk> thanks for pointing that out!
[10:45] <Keybuk> hopefully they'll have someone at LCA?
[10:56] <_ion> It probably would be a good idea to tell them about the upstart's "schedule".
[10:57] <_ion> s/the //
[10:59] <Keybuk> indeed
[10:59] <Keybuk> "Now until LCA = Keybuk doesn't sleep, and writes it"
[10:59] <Keybuk> "LCA = Keybuk doesn't sleep, and fixes it"
[11:00] <Keybuk> (brb - food)
[11:02] <_ion> :-)


[05:18] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu One for Application Developers - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/03/06/ubuntu-one-for-application-developers/
[07:50] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning
[08:11] <diplo> Morning all
[08:25] <daubers> Morning
[08:27] <MooDoo> morning
[08:28] <dwatkins> hiya
[08:29]  * daubers tries to figure out why his RFID reader crashes after 4 reads
[08:44] <dwatkins> Perhaps it doesn't like being up before 9am.
[08:45] <daubers> dwatkins: I'm wondering if it's cheating to just reset it after the 3rd read
[08:47] <dwatkins> daubers: technically yes, because that doesn't resolve the problem. What kind of device is it and what diganostic information can you get from it?
[08:48] <daubers> dwatkins: It's an arduino with an SM130 strapped to it :)
[08:48] <daubers> the device itself is a serial device. But I think it's my arduino sketch causing the problem
[08:49] <daubers> the code (less a few type problem fixes) is here https://code.launchpad.net/~daubers/+junk/rdghackarduinodoor
[08:49] <dwatkins> ah ok, I guess you'd need to have it output all its debug info to the serial line to see what's causing it to overflow or whatever
[08:50] <dwatkins> I've been musing about setting up a temperature sensor with an Arduino, might be overkill but I already have the board.
[08:51] <dwatkins> Do you have to close off any of the ethernet stuffs at the end?
[08:51] <daubers> dwatkins: In theory it should never end
[08:51] <daubers> The serial stuff only get's created once, then the loop runs forever
[08:51] <dwatkins> gotcha
[08:52] <ali1234> comparing char *s
[08:52] <ali1234> ? really?
[08:52] <daubers> ali1234: I know, I've fixed that in a version I've not pushed up yet
[08:52] <daubers> I wrote most of this at 2am on a sunday
[08:52] <dwatkins> isn't that just comparing the contents of memory locations, or am I lacking in my understanding of pointers?
[08:52] <dwatkins> ah ok
[08:52] <ali1234> it compares the addresses
[08:53] <dwatkins> which could be anything...
[08:54] <daubers> yes, which is why I changed it :)
[08:54] <dwatkins> so if we are to debug your code, I guess the latest version would be best
[08:54]  * daubers digs out his laptop
[08:55] <dwatkins> That's a good point, I still have my 4th machine in my bag...
[08:55]  * dwatkins has too many computers
[09:02] <daubers> new version pushed
[09:04] <andylockran> pong
[09:04] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:05] <ali1234> daubers: it's still for of char * comparisons
[09:05] <andylockran> heya czajkowski
[09:05] <andylockran> does anyone know if progress has been made porting ubuntu one to osx?
[09:06] <daubers> ali1234: Huh? I only did that in one or two places before and replaced them with String() comparisons
[09:08] <ali1234> then you have pushed the wrong version
[09:08] <daubers> ali1234 Which line is char * on?
[09:08] <daubers> sorry, a char * comparison?
[09:08] <ali1234> line 39
[09:09] <ali1234> 40 and 48
[09:09] <daubers> wtf... my branched version definatley has lost those
[09:10] <ali1234> did you commit the changes locally?
[09:10] <daubers> Yup
[09:11] <ali1234> because the last revision, 2012-03-06 08:57:48 UTC, does not have it
[09:12]  * daubers pokes it again
[09:12] <daubers> Lets try that
[09:14] <daubers> that one has a type on String, but otherwise seems ok
[09:14] <popey> morning
[09:14] <MooDoo> morning popey
[09:15] <daubers> ali1234: That should be better
[09:15] <ali1234> now you have typos, that wont even compile
[09:15] <daubers> Just one, I fixored it
[09:17] <popey> andylockran: dont think any work has been done on that yet, but aquarius might know
[09:19] <aquarius> andylockran, there's a chap who started a port on github
[09:20] <aquarius> andylockran, it's also on the U1 roadmap; you may have noticed U1 advertising for a Mac developer. :)
[09:24] <andylockran> ah, kewl
[09:24] <andylockran> I hadn't seen that, the only github link now gets a 404
[09:24] <andylockran> https://github.com/yevmel/Ubuntu-One-Client
[09:25] <andylockran> aquarius: thank you
[09:25] <diplo> Anyone got any idea on this
[09:25] <diplo> /dev/sda2              6048352   5623408    117704  98% /
[09:25] <daubers> diplo: sda2 is nearly full?
[09:25] <diplo> used/available
[09:26] <diplo> Why  is the available not 424944
[09:26] <diplo> but displaying as 100 odd meg
[09:26] <diplo> Any ideas where to look
[09:27] <rhunwicks> diplo: blocks reserved for root on a ext3/4 filesystem?
[09:27] <oly> can anyone tell me why sites in firefox ubuntu break http://www.motachoice.co.uk/ as an example its always the top nav pushing the left bar down
[09:27] <diplo> Wouldn't they be subtracted on used though ?
[09:28] <oly> the same firefox on windows works i see this on a lot of sites, and for a long time on linux so looking for a fix
[09:29] <gord> oly, bigcalm is a web developer! he may know!
[09:29] <gord> or may not
[09:29] <gord> swings and roundabouts really
[09:30]  * daubers was unaware a new series of Dirk Gently started last night
[09:30] <oly> yeah, guessing its font or something just strange that same browser would render it differently
[09:31] <oly> obviousl;y you could drop down the width, but that seems wrong when it works fine in firefox on other systems
[09:31] <oimon> daubers, yeah, they advertise come dancing on ice and eastenders incessantly, but you never know that a new series of spiral, the killing, DG, or any other programmes worth watching
[09:31] <JamesTait> Good morning, all! :D
[09:31] <AlanBell> oly: what is broken? the text left margin over the diamond in vertical bars thing?
[09:31] <daubers> oimon: Don't get adverts :)
[09:31] <oly> if you look at the nav contact us is on a seperate line
[09:31] <gord> oly, tried using the ubuntu font in windows?
[09:31] <oimon> bbc has more ads than itv sometimes
[09:31] <gord> AlanBell, the left menu is waaaaaaayy at the bottom of the page
[09:32] <oly> if you scroll down it has knocked the left menu to the bottom of the page
[09:32] <AlanBell> ah, so it is
[09:32] <AlanBell> works in chromium
[09:32] <oly> nope not tried using the font in windows actually
[09:32] <MartijnVdS> Hm.. I have a spare machine
[09:32]  * oimon is going back to lucid today
[09:32] <MartijnVdS> let's try btrfs root
[09:33] <AlanBell> oly: your site?
[09:33] <oly> kinda, happens on a lot of sites though
[09:34]  * bigcalm looks in
[09:34] <gord> font is really the only difference i can think of
[09:34] <bigcalm> gord: oly: without looking deeper, I would not know
[09:34] <oly> i do the underlying code, css and all that is done by another department dont suppose they will want to restyle to fix,
[09:34] <gord> bigcalm, ctrl+u ;)
[09:34] <bigcalm> And it's not always the case. Ensure that everything validates
[09:35] <bigcalm> gord: you don't control me :P
[09:35] <oly> just a bit annoying when your working on the site, so was wondering if any one new the cause / possible fix
[09:35] <gord> yet!
[09:35] <bigcalm> Haha
[09:35] <AlanBell> oly: #primaryCol isn't floating right as far as it should
[09:35] <oly> even chromium was wrong the left bar was there but the nav had wrapped still
[09:35] <gord> today i get my new roomba, tomorrow i purchase googly eyes for it, the day after. THE WORLD
[09:36] <oly> does ubuntu apply different default styles to the indows version or something ?
[09:36] <AlanBell> if you set the width to 572px; it jumps right to the place it should be
[09:36] <AlanBell> no, it isn't styles it is a box model thing
[09:37] <ali1234> gord: it's not on HD until next week tho
[09:37] <ali1234> for some reason they are doing it all backwards
[09:37] <gord> ali1234, me?
[09:38] <gord> ali1234, maybe daubers?
[09:38] <ali1234> oh yeah, daubers
[09:39] <daubers> ali1234: Is it not iplayerable in HD?
[09:39] <ali1234> maybe in lolHD
[09:39] <ali1234> maybe not though since it hasn't been shown in HD on the normal telly yet
[09:39] <gord> last i checked iplayer HD wasn't pretty, artifacts you can see from space
[09:39] <daubers> It's not iplayerable in HD
[09:40] <ali1234> yeah, iplayer HD is slightly better quality than dave
[09:40] <daubers> gord: I found it depends on which HD stream you get from get_iplayer
[09:40] <oly> unfortunately changeing the width i can not do, just dont get why you dont need same hack on windows ?
[09:41] <oly> seems there must be some underlying difference and fonts is the only obvious one
[09:41] <AlanBell> it is nothing to do with fonts
[09:42] <diplo> rhunwicks, You were correct!
[09:43] <diplo> 5% of space is reserved on root filesystem, which equated to 300mb we were missing.
[09:43] <diplo> cheers
[09:43] <andylockran> :)
[09:43] <diplo> I new it saved space, didn't know it was that much
[09:44] <oly> any ideas why its getting treated different between win and linux though ?
[09:45] <AlanBell> oly: ok, maybe a little to do with fonts :)
[09:45] <ali1234> my guess would be DPI issue
[09:45] <rhunwicks> diplo: by default it reserves 5% of the disk space for root - which doesnt make much sense on modern drives
[09:45] <oly> hehe, will try changing the fonts in a bit see if that resolves it :p
[09:45] <rhunwicks> You can override when you create the filesystem using mkfs.ext4 -m 2 or similar
[09:45] <ali1234> some container isn't quite big enough and the button gets word wrapped
[09:46] <rhunwicks> Obviously you cant do it after the fact - you stuck with 5% unless you copy everything off the filesystem reformat it and then copy it all back
[09:46] <AlanBell> ok, so what is happening is that the "contact us" string is overflowing the space it is given, and wrapping down, this means it is an element before the float right PrimaryCol that the PrimaryCol doesn't want to be to the right of
[09:46] <diplo> Someone created a 6gb / file system
[09:46] <ali1234> that's what i just said lol :)
[09:46] <diplo> And searching for space :D
[09:46] <rhunwicks> Any lvm?
[09:47] <AlanBell> oly: you could make primaryNav a bit bigger, or probably add a clear:both after primary nav
[09:47] <oly> unfortunatly i dont change stylesheets
[09:47] <rhunwicks> Or available space elsewhere so you could move /var or /usr onto a separate filesystem
[09:47] <AlanBell> or not float:right the "Contact Us" string
[09:49] <AlanBell> yeah, main thing is the float:right on #primaryNav li.contactUs
[09:49] <AlanBell> it would break on any system if you zoom text only
[09:49] <diplo> rhunwicks, sorry on other screen
[09:50] <diplo> ( Not an ubuntu system ) but no lvm :/
[09:50] <diplo> Found 230mb in /var
[09:50] <diplo> just working out correct way of cleaning it
[09:50] <rhunwicks> what system?
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> logrotate?
[09:50] <rhunwicks> I mean os
[09:51] <rhunwicks> apt-cache clean - or the yum equivalent?
[09:52] <bigcalm> Oh boobs. Time for a reboot
[09:53] <diplo> Sorry guys, busy morning
[09:53] <diplo> Centos 4.3 :/
[09:54] <diplo> It's /var/cache/yum
[09:54] <diplo> But yum/up2date not installed
[09:54] <diplo> Just googling correct way to delete
[10:02] <oly> thanks for the info anyway AlanBell
[10:04]  * popey tickles andypiper
[10:04]  * AlanBell spotted an andypiper video on a guardian article about the raspberry pi
[10:05] <andypiper> yes indeed
[10:05] <andypiper> leading to yet more moronic comments on said video
[10:05] <andypiper> youtube is the height of antisocial media
[10:05] <AlanBell> it is a pile of fail
[10:05] <mungojerry> guardian commenters are as bad as dail mail commenters
[10:05] <mungojerry> although none are as bad as youtube
[10:05] <AlanBell> http://xkcd.com/202/ is what we say to that
[10:08] <mungojerry> how do i regain focus to my terminal if compiz has crashed? xchat has focus right now
[10:08] <mungojerry> compiz --replace &
[10:08] <mungojerry> argh
[10:08] <AlanBell> mungojerry: ctrl+alt+f1, log in, run unity
[10:09] <mungojerry> AlanBell, i'm back on lucid :D
[10:09] <AlanBell> or run DISPLAY=:0 compiz --replace &
[10:09] <mungojerry> feeling the speeeeed
[10:09] <gord> comment boxes are generally a honey trap for fail, regardless of the website they are on
[10:11] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod!
[10:11] <davmor2> morning all
[10:11] <bigcalm> Delivering Hayley's car for an MOT plus having an early dentist appointment, I'm ready for bed again
[10:11] <gord> morning
[10:11] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[10:12] <davmor2> bigcalm: my day start at 05:30
[10:12] <czajkowski> davmor2: herrrro
[10:12] <Dave2> I just got into work, I'm also ready for bed again.
[10:12] <gord> ah right your in millbank this week right?
[10:12] <daubers> GAH!
[10:12] <bigcalm> davmor2: that's your fault for going to London
[10:12] <daubers> WHy does itunes think it's more intelligent than me dammit
[10:12] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:13] <davmor2> MooDoo: morning dude
[10:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: technically it is the qa sprints fault for being in London and asking me if I can attend :P
[10:36] <andylockran> morning all
[11:21] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:23] <dwatkins> hi brobostigon
[11:23] <brobostigon> hi dwatkins
[11:31] <DJones> Morning all
[11:39] <mattt> morning morning
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> \o
[11:40] <mattt> howzit martin
[11:40] <mattt> errr MartijnVdS :P
[11:40] <mattt> just realized that didn't actually read martin :P
[11:41] <MartijnVdS> Waiting for the mailman with a CPU
[11:41] <mattt> oooh, nice
[11:42] <MartijnVdS> and some sticks of RAM
[11:42] <MartijnVdS> for the new "granbuntu" machine
[11:43] <popey> \o/ granbuntu
[11:44] <gord> i need more ram for my "gordbuntu" machine really
[11:44] <gord> well not need persay, more, its possible to put more in, so i should
[11:44] <directhex> hm, feeling good financially. looks like the car loan will be paid off at the start of november
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> I hope the port forward in her DSL modem holds this time..
[11:45] <MooDoo> directhex: lucky you,£900 if i want the garage to fix my bike
[11:46] <daubers> MooDoo: How did you break it?
[11:46] <MooDoo> daubers: MOT ! boo, just wear and tear over the year and winter
[11:46] <daubers> Ooof
[11:47] <daubers> £900 for MOT repairs?
[11:47] <MooDoo> daubers: yeah, i'm not getting them to do it though, i can do the work myself, just need to source parts
[11:48] <daubers> What do you need to do? Chain/break/tyres?
[11:50] <MooDoo> daubers: yup....
[11:50] <MooDoo> dics/pads, tyre
[11:50] <directhex> toyota want to do hundreds of pounds of maintenance at my next service
[11:50] <daubers> and they where going to charge you £900? Was this a dealer?
[11:51] <directhex> new brake mcguffins, i dunno
[11:51] <MooDoo> daubers: yeah it was......stuff that i'll do it myself, they can just retest
[11:51] <daubers> MooDoo: Ahh... dealer prices == ripoff++
[11:52] <MooDoo> daubers: oh yeah....i nearly died of heart attack
[11:54] <daubers> MooDoo: They don't like it when you point out that gold plated brake discs are pointless
[11:54] <MooDoo> lol
[11:57] <gord> when i take over the world, all delivery people will be GPS tagged
[11:57] <gord> and will be made to work 24/7
[11:58] <daubers> when I take over the world, delivery people will be the first against the wall
[12:00] <gord> how will we get things delivered then?
[12:00] <daubers> anybody who asks questions will be next
[12:00] <daubers> \o/ problem solved
[12:00] <czajkowski> whoo my penguin oyster card holder has arrived together with the space invaders one for J
[12:00] <czajkowski> :D
[12:30] <dwatkins> Space Invaders oyster cards, czajkowski? :D
[12:31] <czajkowski> covers!
[12:31] <AlanBell> just what the smart london professional needs
[12:32] <dwatkins> aha I see, in my excitment I missed the word 'cover' but it's still neat
[12:32] <AlanBell> you didn't get this one then? http://shop.tfl.gov.uk/books_guides_travel_accessories_and_stationery/travel_accessories/product/Union-Jack-Oyster-card-Wallet.html
[12:33]  * dwatkins wonders if having one that looks like a 5 pound note is a bad idea
[12:36] <daubers> dwatkins: Just turn it into a magic wand
[12:37] <daubers> bah, famous musicians make me angry
[12:39] <MartijnVdS> daubers: which ones?
[12:39] <daubers> MartijnVdS: All of them! At the moment, especially morrisey
[12:40] <daubers> Famous musician trying to sell tickets/records in Argentina wades in to political quagmire to make himself popular shocker
[12:41] <directhex> lolgentina
[12:46] <directhex> anyone want to buy an xbox 360?
[12:47] <popey> oooh, maybe
[12:47] <popey> does it have a red ring of death? ☺
[12:48] <directhex> it did in mid 2007, so they replaced the motherboard
[12:48] <directhex> it's been solid since then
[12:49] <popey> pm me the details, my kids liked playing with relatives kinect and dance games
[13:04]  * awilkins hates Eclipse sometimes
[13:10] <bigcalm> awilkins: try netbeans
[13:11] <awilkins> bigcalm, Well, I might consider it.. the primary reason I find Eclipse annoying is classpath issues when developing plugins for it
[13:13] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[13:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wow: Raspberry Pi is selling at 700 units a second http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/mar/05/raspberry-pi-demand
[13:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Demand was 20 times greater than our supply... That's 200,000 units when she said that.
[13:32] <gord> one wonders how many of those were their intended audience
[13:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> They currently are only making "developer" builds. These are not the "final" device intended for schools or kids.
[13:37] <AlanBell> it is final
[13:38] <popey> not really. final device is planned to have a case
[13:38] <AlanBell> they are model B units, they will also do model A which doesn't have a network port
[13:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> I think the "final" will have a box
[13:38] <AlanBell> oh
[13:38] <popey> looking forward to taking this into the kids school
[13:38] <popey> they're keen on getting them
[13:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Do you have one then?
[13:38] <popey> ICT teacher wants to see it in action
[13:38] <popey> not yet
[13:38] <popey> mid april
[13:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Farnell told me mid-May this morning
[13:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-(
[13:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> I can understand it if they are really selling 700/sec
[13:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's astonishing
[13:40] <AlanBell> and impossible :)
[13:40] <AlanBell> that is 2.5 million per hour
[13:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> "Demand for the Raspberry Pi  computer – a £22 British-designed system – was still running at 700 per  second at the end of last week, according to one of its main  distributors in the UK."
[13:41] <AlanBell> however if you start with the statement "we sold out the initial 10,000 batch in the first 15 minutes" you get to 700/second
[13:41] <ali1234> so by now they should have sold 1 for every person on the planet?
[13:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[13:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> I ordered 2 :-D
[13:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> Buy shares in ARM :D
[13:42] <AlanBell> actually you don't you get to something you can round up to 700/minute
[13:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> Wish I had 10 yr ago when it was suggested to me.
[13:43] <popey> s/ARM/broacom/
[13:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ultimately ARM
[13:43] <ali1234> do ARM get per unit royalties?
[13:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> They get a royalty
[13:44] <AlanBell> yes, thats how they work, they license the design for royalties
[13:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's a stonkingly good business model IUAM
[13:44] <ali1234> i thought it was a flat rate
[13:46] <popey> .29
[13:46] <popey> bah
[13:46] <AlanBell> http://www.arm.com/products/buying-guide/licensing/index.php maybe it is
[13:47] <ali1234> how do i make php write a debug message to the apache error log?
[13:47] <ali1234> just print?
[13:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> ali1234: in php.ini you can set a log file for php
[13:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> and what type of errors to log
[13:48] <ali1234> i don't want to raise an error
[13:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not sure if you can get it to write to the apache log file.
[13:48] <ali1234> i just want a quick and dirty message so i can tell what is going on
[13:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> print_r()
[13:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> print_r($myvar);
[13:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> Will print arrays and objects
[13:49] <ali1234> but that goes into the web page
[13:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> yes.
[13:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> (13:48:36) TheOpenSourcerer: Not sure if you can get it to write to the apache log file.
[13:50] <AlanBell> http://php.net/manual/en/function.error-log.php
[13:50] <ali1234> but it clearly does when an actual error happens
[13:50] <ali1234> ah nice one
[13:50] <AlanBell> use error_log and set the destination
[13:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> handy
[13:51] <AlanBell> gosh, it can email errors, that would be potentially annoying
[13:55] <mattt> i have django email me errors, find it handy personally :)
[13:56] <ali1234> problem i'm having is php silently fails to do what i asked :(
[13:57] <ali1234> however i think i just figured out why
[13:57] <mattt> wewt
[13:57] <mattt> cuz i suck at php troubleshooting
[13:58] <ali1234> ah there we go... id column on wp_posts in inexplicably uppercased
[13:59] <ali1234> still doesn't work :(
[13:59] <AlanBell> mattt: yeah, useful, but to be used sparingly!
[14:01] <mattt> AlanBell: the idea is to enable that and have the emails directed at your devs ... works every time
[14:01] <mattt> :D
[14:02] <popey> hmm, can someone test something for me...
[14:02] <popey> alt+F2, gedit
[14:03] <popey> alt+f2, gksudo gedit
[14:03] <popey> note the non-sudo one gives you 'untitled document 1' with no * to say it's been modified
[14:03] <popey> the sudo one _does_ give a star
[14:03] <popey> why?
[14:04] <popey> (discovered when I did alt+F2, gksudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and found not only did I have xorg.conf open, but *Untitled Document 1  too)
[14:05] <AlanBell> if you add new tabs in the gksudo one they don't have *, it is just the first one
[14:32] <mungojerry> TheOpenSourcerer, i have shares in ARM since 1999
[14:32] <mungojerry> they are worth what i paid in 1999 due to the tech bubble. however if i'd bougt apple at the time, i'd be a millionaire by now
[14:33]  * mungojerry isn't bitter
[14:34] <mungojerry> i wanted to buy acorn back in the day, but didn't know how. i really would be a millinoaire if i had
[14:38] <bigcalm> Buy the company or buy shares?
[14:39] <AlanBell> "I liked it so much I bought the company"
[14:39] <diplo> Can anyone  recommend me a good tutorial for installing postfix
[14:39]  * mungojerry has a remington shaver
[14:39] <diplo> Found a few but they all differ slightly, hoping someone has some recommendations :)
[14:40] <mungojerry> diplo , i found the redhat documentation useful
[14:40] <diplo> Not read any of theres actually, been searching ubuntu postfix sorta searches :)
[14:40] <diplo> Will take a look ta
[14:41] <diplo> Last time I did a MTA was qmail from source 8-10 years ago
[14:41] <mungojerry> fixed all my performance issues with ubuntu today :)
[14:41] <diplo> Funnily enough said install died on thursday last week after working flawlessly for the whole time
[14:42]  * diplo is waiting for 12.04 and sort it from there
[14:57] <PyjamaSpank> Just moved from Nvidia to ATI, and upgraded to 11.04. How do I enable compiz in classic mode?
[14:59] <DJones> Is it just me, or does this robot look as though its running backwards http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17269535 (I know its got no head, but the feet look the wrong way round)
[15:07] <andylockran> ssh 192
[15:07] <andylockran> ls
[15:07] <andylockran> soeey
[15:07]  * MartijnVdS gives andylockran a new root password
[15:08] <andylockran> I wish that were my pasword
[15:08] <andylockran> mine is much more complicated
[15:08] <MartijnVdS> 5033y?
[15:08] <daubers> zoey?
[15:08] <andylockran> damn you all
[15:09] <daubers> or zooey?
[15:09] <daubers> ;-)
[15:09] <andylockran> installing 12.04 :)
[15:09] <andylockran> on my aspire revo - oneric seemed to be really slow on it
[15:09] <andylockran> does that make sense?
[15:10] <bigcalm> Depends upon what you expect of it
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> Well it's not the best CPU ever, and not the best GPU ever
[15:10] <bigcalm> Works ok on mine
[15:10] <MartijnVdS> but it should work fine, i have some way older/worse machines and it runs OK on those
[15:10] <daubers> popey: did google release a tool to go from gmail gplus to personal domain gplus?
[15:11] <andylockran> i had lucid on it, and it worked adequately as my tv media pc
[15:11] <andylockran> but yeah, once I put oneric on it it 'seemed' to have slowed
[15:11] <bigcalm> When 12.04 stable is released, I'll put it on an SSD and put that in the revo. Should improve it
[15:11] <bigcalm> Did you fresh install or upgrade?
[15:11] <andylockran> fresh
[15:11]  * bigcalm shrugs then :)
[15:12] <andylockran> I've got a 120GB SSD that i might put in it, and take out of my mac
[15:13] <kaushal> Hi
[15:13] <kaushal> is there a way to capture the output of commands run on multiple servers using cssh ?
[15:16] <popey> daubers: not that I am aware of
[15:16] <PyjamaSpank> 12.04 does away with GNOME completely?
[15:16] <popey> PyjamaSpank: we ship gnome in the repo, but the default desktop is not gnome shell
[15:17] <kaushal> Hi popey
[15:18] <PyjamaSpank> I'm having problems with GNOME , Compiz and my 11.04, so I'm reluctant to upgrade again
[15:19] <PyjamaSpank> not sure if I should ask for help in GNOME, Ubuntu or ATI section
[15:23] <daubers> popey: ta
[15:23] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: apparently that mail from farnell was sent in error
[15:23] <popey> hi KrimZon_2
[15:23] <popey> oh, he left
[15:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks popey - how did you discover that?
[15:24] <popey> how else?
[15:24] <popey> twitter
[15:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[15:27] <andylockran> TheOpenSourcerer: popey, saw that post too, but thought it was AlanBell that made the complaint :s
[15:27] <andylockran> doh
[15:49] <andylockran> guys, ImageMagic'k's convert command?
[15:50] <andylockran> how can I set the position
[15:50] <bigcalm> What about it?
[15:51] <andylockran> I want to set the position to convert in relationh to form crop
[16:04]  * czajkowski stabs gord removes his tea and bickie allowance
[16:05] <gord> so violent..
[16:06] <bigcalm> Mmm, tea
[16:07] <gord> roomba's seem so proud of themselves for doing the simpliest thing, well done, you managed to find your way home after walking 20ft away from it, you don't have to play a happy little tune just for that
[16:08] <popey> i want a roomba
[16:08] <bigcalm> Me too. Except I would still have to tidy for it to go anywhere
[16:09] <bigcalm> I would need to have a cat before I had a roomba though
[16:10] <gord> my cat and my roomba seem to be getting along well http://lightbox.com/photo/VfucWcb
[16:12] <gord> course she had a small heart attack and jumped about twenty ft in the air once it came on automatically to do the hoovering
[16:12] <daubers> H3/me might get a roomba for his new housey house
[16:12] <bigcalm> gord: why isn't she riding on it?
[16:12] <gord> she ain't an animated gif
[16:13]  * bigcalm heads to youtube for a fix
[16:13] <gord> we need an episode of maru where he rides a roomba really
[16:13] <gord> a roomba with a box on it
[16:15] <directhex> heh
[16:16] <czajkowski> http://i.imgur.com/F8Wop.jpg
[16:17] <czajkowski> gord: your patch hasnt fix my alt key issue when on irc it still launches hud
[16:17] <gord> czajkowski, not released yet, we have ap tests that confirm it works ;) wait for release
[16:18] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Pope] Improved Unity Files Lens Call For Testing - http://popey.com/blog/2012/03/06/improved-unity-files-lens-call-for-testing/
[16:18] <AlanBell> we should sort out a Precise release party
[16:19]  * MartijnVdS now has a btrfs /
[16:19] <gord> MartijnVdS, careful with that, btrfs is shiny but falls over easy
[16:19]  * popey pins a Bravery award on MartijnVdS
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> Note I haven't converted /home yet ;)
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> Also, there's btrfsck now
[16:20] <MartijnVdS> also:
[16:20] <MartijnVdS> [    3.837132] Btrfs detected SSD devices, enabling SSD mode
[16:20] <directhex> butterfusc!
[16:20] <gord> oh there is? wow, progress
[16:20] <gord> only took like two years or something ;)
[16:20] <gord> AlanBell, party at your house? be there or be square?
[16:20] <directhex> does it detect ssd if it's on lvm on luks?
[16:20] <ubuntubhoy> anyone able to help me with 11.10 on an Aspire One A07561H netbook refusing to boot ?
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> ubuntubhoy: does it give an error at all? or just a blank screen?
[16:21] <ubuntubhoy> hangs at checking battery state
[16:21] <ubuntubhoy> but it will boot fine through recovery
[16:22] <ubuntubhoy> after selecting finish normal boot
[16:22] <AlanBell> gord: I am up for that
[16:23] <AlanBell> anyone got a different venue suggestion than round my house?
[16:23] <diplo> If there is enough notice I'll attend a meet up next one there is
[16:23] <diplo> Been meaning to come to the last 3-4
[16:23] <AlanBell> oh, and RAT on 7th July?nolan name
[16:23] <AlanBell> oops
[16:23] <AlanBell> oh, and RAT on 7th July?
[16:24] <diplo> that the train ?
[16:25] <AlanBell> http://www.watercressline.co.uk/Our-Services/RAT
[16:25] <AlanBell> yup
[16:25] <AlanBell> choo choo
[16:25] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: popey: czajkowski: christel: I am sure will be up for a RAT on 7th July :)
[16:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Unfortunately I am away that weekend.
[16:27] <AlanBell> 14th?
[16:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Looks OK.
[16:27] <diplo> Didn't realise it was that far but certainly a maybe
[16:27] <diplo> Need a hotel for the night though :)
[16:28] <popey> 14th looks good for me
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> Apt is scary fast now
[16:31] <czajkowski> AlanBell: aye we should be ok also
[16:35] <christel> there is a party at alans house?
[16:35] <christel> and a RAT
[16:36] <christel> in a train
[16:36] <christel> i have no idea what a RAT is, but i am totally up for it
[16:36] <christel> if i survive this week!
[16:36] <AlanBell> excellent
[16:36] <AlanBell> you will love the RAT christel
[16:36] <MooDoo> christel: Real Ale Train
[16:36] <christel> :D
[16:36] <christel> ooooo
[16:36] <christel> i am in!
[16:36] <MooDoo> oh have i just spoiled it
[16:36] <christel> can we make it depart NOW
[16:36] <AlanBell> http://www.watercressline.co.uk/Our-Services/RAT
[16:37] <AlanBell> ok, so if 14th July is good for the local contingent I think we should go with that
[16:37] <christel> oh that is awesome
[16:37] <christel> MooDoo: join us!
[16:37] <bigcalm> Oh, the RAT!
[16:37] <bigcalm> I had forgotten all about it
[16:37] <bigcalm> Doh
[16:37] <bigcalm> Did we agree on anything?
[16:38] <christel> however, i do feel we need to do something before then
[16:38] <christel> ideally even before beerex
[16:38] <AlanBell> I think we just did bigcalm :)
[16:38] <christel> because we havent beered since last year
[16:38] <bigcalm> Sorry, been concentrating on work :S
[16:38] <Dave2> All of you people have the same colour in my irssi, and it's a difficult one to read :(
[16:38] <bigcalm> AlanBell: what was agreed?
[16:38] <AlanBell> yes, Precise release party on 26th April
[16:38] <AlanBell> bigcalm: RAT on 14th July
[16:38] <bigcalm> Ta
[16:38]  * bigcalm looks at calendars
[16:39] <AlanBell> and we should do another Happy Hour
[16:39] <AlanBell> perhaps the Wolverhampton crew could do one
[16:39] <bigcalm> AlanBell: prod davmor2 and mrevell. I know nothing of the area
[16:39] <Dave2> You should do one in Reading
[16:39]  * Dave2 nods.
[16:39] <AlanBell> probably more of a posse or massiff than a crew
[16:40] <bigcalm> o.O
[16:40] <AlanBell> reading is good
[16:40] <bigcalm> The Wolverhampton disappointment?
[16:40] <Dave2> Argh now I want Sweeney & Todd pie
[16:40] <christel> yes! HAPPY HOUR
[16:41] <Dave2> Also I have 7 hermans in my freezer.
[16:41] <Dave2> Or is it 6
[16:41] <AlanBell> oh marvelous
[16:41] <christel> oh yes! we need a herman hour
[16:41] <AlanBell> so, when can you make the Reading Happy Hour Dave2?
[16:42] <christel> why didnt we do reading yet
[16:42] <AlanBell> I will try to get to that one
[16:42] <christel> yeah! i will deffo do reading as that isnt very far awaaaay
[16:42] <christel> we are also overdue our farnham pub crawl
[16:42] <Dave2> WHENEVER
[16:42] <AlanBell> christel: because nobody specified a date :) it just takes one local to set a date when they are going to be at a particular pub
[16:42] <AlanBell> then we all pile in
[16:42] <christel> hehe
[16:43] <christel> Dave2: for some reason i now have mental imagery of you dressed as shakira
[16:43] <christel> and it is not particularly hot :s
[16:43] <Dave2> ...oh...dear...
[16:43] <AlanBell> ok, Dave2 how about 29th March
[16:43] <bigcalm> AlanBell: RAT - is one person booking places or do we need to do this individually?
[16:43] <christel> AlanBell: what is best for all the alans, weekends or weekdays (for local crawl)
[16:43] <AlanBell> bigcalm: individually
[16:44] <bigcalm> Ta
[16:44] <Dave2> AlanBell: perfect
[16:44] <Dave2> because I already booked the 30th off
[16:44] <AlanBell> Dave2: what pub?
[16:44] <Dave2> You got me there :(
[16:44] <Dave2> The Hobgoblin!
[16:44] <AlanBell> daubers: o/
[16:44] <AlanBell> ok
[16:44]  * popey asks other geeks
[16:44] <AlanBell> popey: about the RAT?
[16:44] <Dave2> The problem with that one is that the pubs I go to are zerodegrees with work, which probably isn't the right place, and the Back of Beyond with the LUG, which is a Wetherspoons
[16:44] <popey> about the pubs in reading
[16:45] <AlanBell> ok
[16:46] <bigcalm> Can anybody recommend some accommodation near the RAT?
[16:47]  * diplo interested as well
[16:47] <AlanBell> it does connect with the return train back to Farnham and onwards to London
[16:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> bigcalm: In Alton?
[16:47] <daubers> AlanBell: lo
[16:47] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: *shrug* I'd live that way so don't know what's ideal :)
[16:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> There are plenty of Inns, hotels & B&Bs around
[16:48] <bigcalm> Humm, a night in Farnham wouldn't be too bad
[16:48] <christel> you'd live the alton way?
[16:48] <popey> "Reading Geek Night and TVRRUG meet in Copa, which is on King's Road, a short walk out of the town centre"
[16:48] <diplo> TheOpenSourcerer, for me as well, what ever is closest to the get off point that I don't need another taxi and a place to leave the car
[16:48] <popey> "That's usually quite quiet, and you can book either the downstairs area (at canal level, for larger groups) or a side area upstairs (at ground level)."
[16:48] <popey> " Silicon Corridor meet at the Back of Beyond, which is a Wetherspoons another 50 yards down the road from Copa."
[16:48] <popey> "Hobgoblin is very small and crowded, and I think is in the process of being redecorated."
[16:48] <daubers> DOn't go to the Hobgoblin! Awesome pub, very crowded, nowhere to sit
[16:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: How about the Hotel De Ville?
[16:48] <christel> the hobgoblin is teeeeeny
[16:49] <daubers> Copa is nice, but a bit poncy :) Back of beyond is a spoons
[16:49] <christel> they only have enough room for one alan at the time
[16:49] <Dave2> what daubers said
[16:49] <Dave2> Althogh I've never been in Copa
[16:49] <Dave2> But I'd say it's more of a bar than a pub
[16:49] <popey> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.4546139538288&lon=-0.964541137218475&zoom=18
[16:49] <Dave2> From the looks of things
[16:49] <daubers> (Sahara is expensive, but has the _best_ range of spirits anywhere ever and have bartenders who know what they're talking about)
[16:49] <Dave2> Sahara is definitely more of a bar than a pub
[16:49] <daubers> Dave2: Exactley that :) They're quite good about booking downstairs though
[16:50] <popey> "The food at Copa is expensive and only "OK". The BoB is typical Wetherspoons."
[16:50] <daubers> copa that is
[16:50] <popey> " The Warwick between the two is apparently a rather good Thai place."
[16:50] <AlanBell> http://www.hoteldevie.com/business/faqs.html#swingers-hotel-myth
[16:50] <christel> daubers: spirits? are you trying to get us drunk :x
[16:50] <daubers> christel: They have an awesome range of single malts
[16:50] <Dave2> I've only been to Sahara after leaving Zerodegrees
[16:50] <daubers> and do cocktails
[16:50] <Dave2> So I've generally already been a bit intoxicated by the time I've visited
[16:50] <christel> i do appreciate nice whisky
[16:51] <Dave2> That corner is a straight <10 minute walk from where I love though.
[16:51] <Dave2> er, live
[16:51] <daubers> Never been to the thai place :)
[16:51] <christel> 13
[16:51] <daubers> Jamies Italian is quite nice, can't book a table though
[16:51] <daubers> Oracle is full of <generic chain> food places
[16:51] <Dave2> That it is
[16:51] <Dave2> Well, the food court is
[16:52] <daubers> The bit by the riverside :)
[16:52] <Dave2> But not really the place for a happy hour
[16:52] <popey> CHOOSE SOMEWHERE! :D
[16:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> christel: I got a bottle of this yesterday as a birthday present: http://www.bruichladdich.com/the-whisky/classic-whisky/classic-bruichladdich/2001-the-resurrection-dram
[16:52] <popey> oh, did my mind say that aloud? ☺
[16:52] <christel> you guys are useless, you've taken longer to uhm and aah over these potential venues than i do over buying shoes!
[16:52] <daubers> popey: Food more than beer or beer more than food?
[16:52] <popey> i care little for this 'food' you speak of
[16:53] <Dave2> It's a "people turn up and have beer and maybe food", rather than a "people turn up for a meal with some drinks", AFIAK
[16:53] <Dave2> AFAIK
[16:53] <daubers> BoB then? We can always go somewhere else afterwards
[16:53] <christel> TheOpenSourcerer: oooh my laptop is called bruichladdich after a very beautiful bottle of bruichladdich flirtation i once had
[16:53] <Dave2> That might be bad for people who come late
[16:53] <Dave2> "Where is everyone? :(:(:("
[16:53] <daubers> Dave2: That's what twitter is for
[16:54] <christel> yeah, i prefer beer to food
[16:54] <daubers> Normally end up dozing off quite happily in BoB anyway
[16:54] <Dave2> Not everyone has a smartphone!
[16:54] <christel> no food == more room for beer!
[16:54] <Dave2> But yes, the main problem is that I don't really know anywhere appropriate, BoB's is probably the closest.
[16:54] <AlanBell> did someone choose a pub yet?
[16:54]  * daubers gets some dice
[16:54]  * popey gets some ice
[16:54] <AlanBell> roll that D20
[16:55] <bigcalm> Hayley has expressed interest in the RAT :)
[16:55] <Dave2> I don't have enough experience of pubs in Reading that aren't zerodegrees, sahara, the hobgoblin, or bob's
[16:56] <bigcalm> Will book when I get paid
[16:56] <daubers> Dave2: I'd just go with BoB or Copa
[16:56] <daubers> Copa is a little nice than BoB but BoB is more pubby
[16:56] <christel> BoB
[16:57] <christel> AlanBell: march 29th, BoB, Reading.
[16:57] <AlanBell> ok so what is BoB? does it have a longer name?
[16:57] <christel> i've decided for them
[16:57] <AlanBell> and a postcode?
[16:57] <Dave2> Back of Beyond
[16:57] <daubers> Back of Beyond, the weathspoons on kings road
[16:57]  * TheOpenSourcerer recalls a catchy theme tune...
[16:57] <daubers> SCLug meet there
[16:57] <Dave2> Or do we want to go with a Wetherspoon's closer to the town centre⸘
[16:57] <Dave2> ‽, even
[16:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh, sorry that was BoD
[16:57]  * AlanBell is saying BoB like Rowan Atkinson
[16:58] <christel> Dave2: oh, is this place near the train station for those training it?
[16:58] <daubers> AlanBell: http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/home/pubs/the-back-of-beyond
[16:58] <Dave2> It's walkable
[16:58] <christel> sounds good
[16:58] <Dave2> It's not a massive distance, it's just not right in the centre
[16:59] <Dave2> (It's also ~20 minutes from me instead of ~10, if that helps at all.)
[16:59] <daubers> Dave2: Meh, at the moment it's busable from me... but at that point it might be train+bus
[17:00] <daubers> AlanBell: The dice agree http://ubuntuone.com/43tdWXq174qAtlaHhMcg12
[17:03] <davmor2> Booo!
[17:03]  * daubers has a heart attack
[17:03] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod for not being here and another prod just for proddings sake
[17:03] <czajkowski> herrrro
[17:04] <AlanBell> davmor2 just the chap
[17:05] <davmor2> wow I just saw the Topic man that looks awesome I bet it was popey who made the topic that awesome and possibly just to annoy czajkowski with the awesome
[17:05] <davmor2> AlanBell: I'm not here it wasn't me
[17:05] <davmor2> AlanBell: what's up dude
[17:06] <AlanBell> happy hours \o/
[17:06] <AlanBell> need one in Wolverhampton
[17:06] <AlanBell> it needs cheering up
[17:06] <czajkowski> they cna have one tomorrow at llunch
[17:06] <czajkowski> in the lgihthouse
[17:06] <czajkowski> :)
[17:06] <czajkowski> Lighthouse even
[17:08] <Dave2> You reminded me of the BBC news article about cities
[17:08] <popey> You reminded me of a game written in perl called cities.
[17:08] <Dave2> Which I now can't find.
[17:08] <christel> :o
[17:08] <christel> i'll play with your cities.
[17:09] <Dave2> Found it.
[17:09] <davmor2> Right so I can try and organise one for after the co-working space a fortnight Thursday at a pub,  but we have a hell of a lot on top of each other currently
[17:09] <davmor2> AlanBell: ^
[17:09] <Dave2> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-13841482 - "Although the whole of the UK was enjoying an economic boom, the new cities, with the exception of Wolverhampton, outperformed their regional counterparts in terms of increasing investment and reducing unemployment."
[17:10] <AlanBell> davmor2: we are doing one in Reading on 29th March
[17:12] <davmor2> AlanBell: so ours would be the 22nd of march or the 19th of April
[17:12] <AlanBell> nice
[17:13] <davmor2> gord, bigcalm: any preference?
[17:13] <bigcalm> Humm?
[17:14] <christel> bigcalm wants both
[17:14] <christel> he's greedy like that
[17:14]  * christel nods
[17:14] <bigcalm> I have no idea what's being discussed, doing some work for a change :P
[17:14] <hamitron> work? :| *confused*
[17:15] <bigcalm> Writing an API for a project that was started in 2001. Slow progress...
[17:15] <hamitron> hehe
[17:15] <hamitron> :D
[17:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: a happy hour I said we would run one on a co-working space day as half the people likely to come would already be there
[17:16] <bigcalm> davmor2: sounds good
[17:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: I'd finish the project first then you'll be able to write the api much quicker
[17:16] <bigcalm> davmor2: heh. The project is finished, this is an additional enhancement
[17:16] <bigcalm> I meant that writing the API was slow progress
[17:17] <davmor2> bigcalm:  so are either of these 2 dates  22nd of march or the 19th of April  better for you?
[17:17] <popey> AlanBell: that patch to improve compiz already _is_ in 12.04
[17:17] <AlanBell> oh, cool
[17:17] <bigcalm> I thought it was one per month? With this month's having just been posted to the mailing list
[17:18] <christel> AlanBell: we should do a co-working space day! i am all jealous of them.. all you alans should partake, only you spend your days at client sites i guess
[17:18] <AlanBell> bigcalm: roughly, so we can plan the following month
[17:18] <AlanBell> christel: we are looking into getting an office
[17:18] <christel> oooh can i come work in your office? :D
[17:18] <bigcalm> :O
[17:20] <bigcalm> davmor2: other than the workplace days themselves, I have no plans for either date. You choose :)
[17:20] <christel> i suffer with serious cabin fever when working on silly (big) projects
[17:20] <AlanBell> christel: well we have to find one first
[17:20] <davmor2> gord:  same question ^
[17:21] <christel> occasionally i do the laptop in pub thing, but then i end up drinking wine and watching people instead
[17:21] <bigcalm> christel: me too
[17:21] <christel> which is such a bad move
[17:21]  * bigcalm froths at the mouth far too often
[17:21] <davmor2> christel: you gonna come it's only a couple of miles from yours right ;)
[17:21] <christel> davmor2: hehe i think it's like 2 hours :P
[17:23] <davmor2> christel: We'll take that as a yes then right? :D
[17:23] <christel> maybe
[17:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> God I fancy a pint.
[17:24] <Dave2> I still want a Sweeney & Todd pie
[17:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Think I might offer to drop the kids off at Scouts shortly ;-)
[17:28] <christel> i fancy a pint but i have a silly project to finish
[17:29] <czajkowski> christel: no rest for the wicked :)
[17:30] <Dave2> Gaah, I really want a Sweeney & Todd pie, it's been all of several weeks since I had one.
[17:34] <czajkowski> diddums
[17:38] <christel> czajkowski: indeed!
[17:41] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: Who's this pint woman and does your missus know?
[17:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> She is tall, slender & dark and slips down real easy.
[17:48] <bigcalm> `-`
[17:49] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: Hahaha
[18:05] <Dave2> My phone told me I'd got an e-mail from the sclug mailing list informing me that there's a happy hour in Reading on the 29th.
[18:05]  * Dave2 head off
[18:40] <Dave2> heads, even
[19:45] <smouty> southampton happy hour?!? Suggest the Hobbitt on the 20-03-09
[19:46]  * AlanBell thinks smouty is living in the past
[19:47] <gord> he just has a reeeeeeeally long ping
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: nah, in the future. 2020 hasn't been yet
[19:51] <smouty> sorry I am antiquated but meant 20-03-12
[19:52] <gord> you meant 03-20-12!
[19:52] <gord> wait no, i'm wrong
[19:52] <gord> i'm tired
[19:53] <smouty> to clarify 20th march 2012
[19:55] <smouty> that is for a happy hour in southampton at the hobbit
[20:04] <jacobw> good evening
[20:18] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] Ubuntu Accomplishments  Install and have some fun - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2012/03/06/ubuntu-accomplishments-install-and-have-some-fun/
[20:25] <popey> http://www.beeb30.org.uk/
[20:30] <Oli> czajkowski: Hey, thanks for standing up for Ask Ubuntu earlier (even if it did mean bodhi_zazen got super-upset)!
[20:31] <czajkowski> Oli: not going into that again :)
[20:31] <Oli> Oh I'm sure there's more than enough fire under that bridge, but I'm just reading it and wanted to thank you for the initial comment.
[20:32] <czajkowski> Oli: np
[20:32] <OmNomDePlume> COME ON YOU ARSE-ANALS
[20:33] <czajkowski> OmNomDePlume: language!
[20:33] <directhex> bottom-bottomlys
[20:33] <OmNomDePlume> ZUT ALORS LE GUNNERS
[20:34] <OmNomDePlume> Arseanal 3 - 0 Peelan
[20:41] <bigcalm> czajkowski: going to the RAT event?
[20:42] <czajkowski> yup
[20:42] <bigcalm> Yay
[20:42] <bigcalm> Hayley is too, upping the lady quota :)
[20:48] <AlanBell> \o/
[20:50] <AlanBell> czajkowski: Jon coming too?
[20:52] <brobostigon> lol. on thr mailing list alan described RAt, with the title. "Choo Choo!" :)
[20:52] <brobostigon> i like.
[20:54] <AlanBell> it does!
[20:55] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1603/detail/
[20:57] <bigcalm> AlanBell: are we not able to add ourselves to this event?
[20:58] <AlanBell> no, because I don't want anyone adding themselves on Launchpad and thinking that they don't have to buy a ticket
[20:58] <AlanBell> so I set the registration URL to the website
[20:58] <bigcalm> Fair enough :)
[20:58] <Azelphur> I just found a pretty scary security vulnerability in gamesurge o.O
[20:58] <Azelphur> I can gline practically any bot on the network
[20:58] <bigcalm> AlanBell: maybe add people upon being told of tickets being purchased?
[20:58] <AlanBell> we can sort out a "so who is going then" thing nearer the time, but I don't want people getting confused
[20:59] <Azelphur> someone used it to attack my bot, which is how I found out
[21:16] <andylockran> howdy
[21:26] <czajkowski> AlanBell: yup
[21:30] <lozzer>  i want to revamp the gui for this app http://postimage.org/image/t58g6hbnv/ any idea on how to start
[21:32] <jacobw> lozzer: subscribe to the development list, study the source, contact the developer with questions that arise.
[21:48] <mattt> evening all


[03:48] <shtylman> congrats on version 2 :)
[07:43] <CIA-33> ubiquity: superm1 * r3528 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/mythbuntu_ui.py): Mythbuntu: Don't allow "removing" LIRC as it's not supported with install.
[11:43] <dpm> hi evand, re: bug 452889, it seems that the release team would be fine with uploading a new version of ubiquity-slideshow after RC if it only contains translation changes. I'd like to inform translators about this, but first I'd like to check that this works out for you. Would it be possible to do a final export of translations on e.g. the 21st and do an upload on the 23rd (or do you have other suggestions)?
[11:45] <evand> dpm: indeed, I absolutely can.  But why the two day wait between export and upload?
[11:46] <dpm> evand, nothing in particular. I'm not too familiar with the milestones and archive freezes, so I figured out it might not be possible to do those things on the 22nd being RC release day. What do you suggest, export and upload on the 23rd?
[11:49] <evand> I believe that we can upload just as soon as the RC is out the door, in which case I'm happy to do both the export and the upload just as soon as the RC is released on the 22nd.
[11:49] <evand> Of course with the archive frozen there will be some delay for archive admin processing
[11:53] <evand> dpm: ^
[11:53] <davmor2> evand, cjwatson: 2 out of 2 on wubi :) trying kubuntu next
[11:53] <dpm> ok, the main thing for translators is to know the export deadline, and the 22nd fits in well with LanguagePackTranslationDeadline, so it sounds good to me. I'll go ahead and announce the 22nd as the export date to translators. evand, do you need any remainder, shall I ping you again on the 22nd?
[11:54] <evand> davmor2: woohoo
[11:54] <dpm> reminder, I meant
[11:54] <evand> dpm: that would be lovely
[11:54] <evand> (the reminder, that is)
[11:54] <evand> thanks for your help in sorting this out
[11:54] <dpm> evand, ok, thanks a lot! :)
[11:54] <dpm> and yours as well
[12:13] <davmor2> evand: I think there is still a bit of a race condition.  Just had it lock on Kubuntu, restarted the machine and now it's installing again
[12:24] <davmor2> evand, cjwatson:  I think the issue with grub may finally be over even kubuntu which never seemed to work, is working :)  However I'm still getting intermittent locks at 100% scanning disc iirc will double check on next try.
[12:42] <davmor2> evand: I got one line ubuntu kernel: [   55.140413] NTFS driver 2.1.29 [Flags: R/O MODULE]  isn't R/O read only?
[12:43] <davmor2> I'll snag a copy of the syslog
[12:44] <cjwatson> I doubt very much that that means that the fs is read-only
[12:45] <cjwatson> hmm
[12:45] <cjwatson> I think what that means is that the kernel's NTFS driver isn't built with read-write support; but that's OK since we don't actually use it
[12:46] <davmor2> cjwatson: 2 ticks and you'll have it in context
[12:46] <cjwatson> it's probably just modprobed by accident somewhere
[12:46] <cjwatson> no need for context, I have the kernel code that produces that message in front of me :)
[12:46] <cjwatson> at least no need for it to decipher that message. I don't think that message is related to our problems
[12:48] <davmor2> http://www.davmor2.co.uk/syslog1016
[12:49] <cjwatson> as usual, sod-all of interest, how annoying :(
[12:50] <cjwatson> outside chance that the partman log might help but I doubt it
[12:52] <davmor2> http://www.davmor2.co.uk/partman1016
[12:53] <davmor2> need to shoot off I'll carry on when I get back.
[14:29] <davmor2> cjwatson: Right back :)  anything I can do for you on this one? any other logs etc?
[15:48] <evand> my wubi test with XP is hanging at computing partitions.  Digging through the logs, then I'll give it a go with debugging.
[15:49] <davmor2> evand: don't restart it as it'll work
[15:49] <evand> ah, will do
[15:59] <davmor2> right this is install 8.  3 have worked first time. 5 have had to be restarted when they have locked up at either 5% scanning disks or 100% computing partitions.  However evertime that it has installed there has nolonger been an issue with grub :)
[15:59] <cjwatson> one down one to go, then
[16:00] <davmor2> yeap
[16:00]  * cjwatson wants to not be stuck in hyper-urgent customer projects so that he can help :-/
[16:03] <evand> no worries
[16:05] <davmor2> evand: I'll have a bit of free time both tomorrow and sunday so if you do find a fix and get uploaded I'll have a play across the board and see what works :)
[16:15] <evand> davmor2: unfortunately I'm only going to be around for another 45 minutes or so, then I'm going away for the weekend.
[16:16] <davmor2> evand: np's just thought I'd throw it out there :)
[16:16] <evand> sure, and thanks for the offer
[16:18] <cjwatson> evand: do you have that partman-target fix in hand?
[16:18] <cjwatson> I really want that in the RC if possible ...
[16:18] <evand> cjwatson: just sent you a mail about it
[16:18] <cjwatson> so you did
[16:19] <evand> it's had my focus all day.  I'm just working out the logic for the whitelist fix, then I'll try to squeeze in a test.
[16:19] <cjwatson> evand: I don't think we can *just* remove the files that exist on /target - part of the point of this is that the presence of some new files might cause a problem
[16:19] <cjwatson> let's definitely talk about some approach like that for lucid though
[16:20] <evand> absolutely
[16:20] <evand> I figured the file size was the real killer of this, regardless of how it was included with what we already have
[16:21] <cjwatson> yeah, it's a difficult one
[16:21] <cjwatson> I didn't actually mean to suggest including Contents in the image, FWIW
[16:21] <cjwatson> I was thinking more of a manual or semi-automated scan to find things we'd missed
[16:21] <cjwatson> so sorry if that misled you ... it is certainly pretty big
[16:26] <evand> ahh
[16:26] <evand> my apologies for going down the wrong path on that one
[16:27] <cjwatson> though if we could actually ship an automatically reduced version, that would be an interesting approach
[16:35] <evand> okay, about to put this through its paces: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/294785/
[16:50] <cjwatson> evand: looks right
[16:51] <evand> indeed, it's working here, just waiting for the install to finish then I'll commit and upload
[16:58] <CIA-33> partman-target: evand * r780 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog finish.d/clear_partitions):
[16:58] <CIA-33> partman-target: Don't preseed nonexistent passwd/user-gid. Guard against setting a
[16:58] <CIA-33> partman-target: UID of 0 when /home is a separate partition (LP: #442998).
[17:00] <CIA-33> partman-target: evand * r781 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog finish.d/clear_partitions):
[17:00] <CIA-33> partman-target: Don't touch /usr/src, /var/local, and /usr/local when clearing
[17:00] <CIA-33> partman-target: partitions. Account for them existing in / (LP: #431993).
[17:05] <CIA-33> partman-target: evand * r782 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 64ubuntu4


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[14:42] <chp> hi
[14:44] <chp> if there is someone around some help would be welcome. It's about the latest Ubuntu Studio, installed on a laptop, there is no sound. However, we found 2 cards, and a bunch of drivers loaded. I'll do a pastebin
[14:45] <chp> http://pastebin.fr/38525
[14:46] <chp> and the cards:
[14:47] <chp> http://pastebin.fr/38526
[14:47] <chp> what do you think? what would be the best way to go from there?
[17:20] <inahd> hello, i was trying to get ubuntustudio to boot from a usb, but it goes nowhere. i used a dvd, and got the boot screen, but never really loaded up...
[17:21] <inahd> the computer is kinda old... we have a mac here also but booting from it seems even less likely
[17:28] <inahd> have any of you had success booting ubuntustudio on a mac?
[17:30] <inahd> i got this rEFInd bootloader to work, but couldn't get the ubuntustudio DVD to boot from it...
[17:42] <inahd> oh darn, going down..