[00:00] <stefanino> hi
[00:06] <jhutchins> !ask
[00:06] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question -- All On One Line, so others can read it and follow it easily --. and if anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[00:06] <Schuenemann> can I ask a question?
[00:08] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Obviously, you just did!
[00:08] <nosrednaekim> sure
[00:09] <Schuenemann> yes, that was my question, thanks
[00:09]  * jhutchins wanders off in search of beer and ... something...
[00:09] <Schuenemann> jhutchins, smirnoff ice is great
[00:10] <Boruta> Default display manager - GDM or KDM? What is the difference?
[00:11] <CheGuevara> for women :P
[00:11] <Boruta> Blavod is great it hits hard
[00:11] <CheGuevara> gdm is gnome's manager, kdm is kde's
[00:11] <nosrednaekim> Boruta: use gdm... it has bulletproof X..
[00:17] <slow-motion> n8
[00:18] <Boruta> ok i have kubuntu desktop package installed but still ubuntu desktop - i need to restart?
[00:19] <Jucato> Boruta: you just need to log out. then in the login screen, choose KDE from the Session menu
[00:19] <williams> holaaa
[00:20] <gan|y|med> i'd like to try XorgOnTheEdge. is there a repo for this?
[00:21] <hdevalence> I'm having trouble with dual monitors
[00:23] <hdevalence> !xinerama
[00:23] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[00:23] <hdevalence> I was following there for the intel cards
[00:24] <hdevalence> but I'm having trouble, and it seems like kcontrol won't work
[00:26] <sub[t]rnl> hdevalence➜ have you tried using xrandr?
[00:26] <hdevalence> sub[t]rnl: no, I don't even know what it is.
[00:27] <sub[t]rnl> well, I've used xrandr to extend desktops with intel video cards
[00:27] <hdevalence> i installed i810switcha and restarted X and now it's all screwed sup
[00:27] <sub[t]rnl> did you make a backup of a working xorg.conf?
[00:27] <sub[t]rnl> hopefully
[00:27] <hdevalence> yes
[00:27]  * sub[t]rnl nods
[00:27] <alesan> hi, do you know how to configure that, when I click a link in kopete or konversation, the link is opened in a new tab in FIREFOX and not konqueror?
[00:28] <sub[t]rnl> ok, You'll need to add a virtual desktop to your screen section, that way you can put two desktops "inside" the virtual big one
[00:28] <hdevalence> what?
[00:28] <sub[t]rnl> in the "screen" section of your xorg.conf
[00:28] <sub[t]rnl> you'll need to add -> Virtual  2048 2048
[00:28] <sub[t]rnl> for example
[00:29] <sub[t]rnl> let me see if I can find you a link, to better explain it
[00:29] <sub[t]rnl> hdevalence➜ http://intellinuxgraphics.org/dualhead.html
[00:29] <sub[t]rnl> start there, look around on google for xrandr too.
[00:30] <hdevalence> sub[t]rnl: cool. going to restart X to the good settings first
[00:30] <sub[t]rnl> also, if your two monitor's resolutions don't take up the total 2048 2048 that you specify, then cut it down to what they do use
[00:30] <sub[t]rnl> cuts down on video mem
[00:33] <hdevalence> sub[t]rnl: what if the one is 1440x900 and the other is 1280x1024? they don't fit nicely.
[00:33] <sub[t]rnl> yeah, theres the trouble
[00:33] <sub[t]rnl> you won't be able to stack that, as its not inside the "virtual" desktop limits
[00:35] <shaft0> anyone have a screenshot of the router setup process in kubuntu?  Is there anything like the web interface a real router use, or is it console based?
[00:35] <nosrednaekim> shaft0: console no doubt
[00:36] <gan|y|med> ok, this is kind of a stupid question, but i cannot find out how to install the ati drivers as described here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3321087
[00:36] <Artimus> shaft0: console works, but now that you mention it, a port of DD-WRT might be fun...
[00:36] <sub[t]rnl> most routers have an interface that you can access by http://<IP_ADDRESS> or whatever. If thats what your talking about
[00:36] <ardchoille> !ati | gan|y|med Have a look at the ati section here
[00:36] <ubotu> gan|y|med Have a look at the ati section here: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[00:36] <Artimus> sub[t]rnl: I was guessing "How do I setup Kubuntu as a router"..
[00:36] <sub[t]rnl> or are you talking about setting up a router using kubuntu
[00:36] <sub[t]rnl> ah
[00:36]  * sub[t]rnl nods
[00:37] <Artimus> sub[t]rnl: Really, this has me thinking...  DD-WRT was kind of fun, something like that for a Kubuntu box might be fun.
[00:37] <shaft0> sub: yeah, that's what i mean, setting up kubuntu as a router
[00:37] <sub[t]rnl> http://dailycupoftech.com/2007/09/17/put-that-old-computer-to-good-use/
[00:37] <sub[t]rnl> :D
[00:37] <shaft0> im gonna google dd-wrt, bit of a noob as far as kubuntu :P
[00:38] <shaft0> yes, a port of that would be wicked, exactly what i was asking about if it existed
[00:38] <gan|y|med> ardchoille: that is what i did. it tells me the thread for the newest x.org ati drivers, but there is no deb file at the url specified
[00:38] <Artimus> shaft0: DD-WRT is some software you can install to turn a box into a router.  Most people put it on home routers like the WRT54GL
[00:39] <shaft0> didn't know you could redo router software, that's pretty cool :)
[00:40] <ardchoille> gan|y|med: You using Gutsy?
[00:40] <bobfarley> shaft0  turning an old unused computer into a secure router is very easy   www.pfsense.com
[00:41] <gan|y|med> yes
[00:41] <Artimus> I gave up on PC's as routers.  My cheap little router will work until I switch wireless standards or ethernet becomes obsolete.
[00:41] <bobfarley> shaft0  if it has only 64 megs of ram, then try http://m0n0.ch/
[00:41] <gan|y|med> fglrx is pretty slow, so i tried to revert to ati, which now takes up 30 % cpu time all the time. so i'd like to give the new drivers a shot
[00:42] <ardchoille> gan|y|med: Have you made it to this page yet? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[00:42] <shaft0> bob: it's a dual core amdx2 2.6ghz with 4gb ram, heh, just running ubuntu on it for smb shares right now
[00:43] <shaft0> not too worried about maxing the box with what im planning to use it for
[00:43] <bobfarley> shaft0  way too much for a router outside the home.
[00:43] <shaft0> maybe even underclock it for noise/temperature
[00:43] <Val_O> sorry to interject but have you guys heard of CoyoteLinux as a firewall solution?
[00:43] <gan|y|med> ardchoille: yep, but i use envy for fglrx. i deinstalled it with envy
[00:43] <shaft0> its a spare computer
[00:43] <bobfarley> shaft0  err, inside, rather.
[00:43] <Artimus> shaft0: I know kcontrol can configure samba shares...  Maybe it should be expanded to cover some other things as well
[00:43] <ardchoille> gan|y|med: I don't understand what thread or url you're talking about. that page I just linked you to has instructions right under the "Install from Ubuntu repositories (easier)" section
[00:44] <bobfarley> shaft0   pfsense is my favorite and the easiest router specific os
[00:44] <shaft0> cool, i'll look into it.  I basically want to have it be NAS, SMB, FTP, and routing.
[00:44] <Artimus> shaft0: I recommend it, I've got a 2.8ghz Celeron.  It sits at 1.4GHZ normally until I try to do anything important, when it jumps back up to 2.8
[00:44] <alesan> hoe do I configure firefox as a default browser?
[00:45] <Boruta> i have kubuntu partially now - taskbar and menus are still ubuntu style - how can i change look completely?
[00:46] <shaft0> artimus: what's the noise and temps like, do you have any monitors of them?
[00:46] <ardchoille> !default | alesan You'll need to change the file associations for html
[00:46] <ubotu> alesan You'll need to change the file associations for html: To change the default application for a filetype in Nautilus, right-click on a file, select Properties -> Open With, and then change the setting. In Kubuntu, Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure and then hit "File Associations"
[00:46] <shaft0> not necessarily noise (just a rough "dead silent" etc) but of the temps, any idea as to how cool it runs?
[00:46] <Artimus> shaft0: My CPU fan is always on...  It's also incredibly loud.  I can hear it from downstairs.  It always runs full speed (it's 3 wire, not 4)
[00:46] <shaft0> ah
[00:46] <gan|y|med> ardchoille: yes, but i do not want to use fglrx
[00:47] <CheGuevara> there's actually a default applicationsection in the control panel
[00:47] <ardchoille> Bruno: You started with Ubuntu (gnome), then installed kubuntu-desktop (kde) and want to switch?
[00:47] <Boruta> yes
[00:47] <bobfarley> shaft0  looked at EFW community ? http://www.endian.com/en/community/about/   keep in mind that placing your NAS on the gateway would be a bad idea tho.
[00:47] <shaft0> i have a fan controller, so if i had it underclocked and i knew that the temps would be stable fairly low, i'd have them set and controlled by temp
[00:47] <Artimus> At half speed, 88F/31C.  While gaming, 104F/40C.  Much colder than in Windows, where 55C was not uncommon.
[00:47] <ardchoille> gan|y|med: I can't help you if you won't follow the supported guides/tutorials
[00:48] <ardchoille> Boruta: You now need to log out of gnome, and at the login screen, click the options and choose kde (at least I think it's "options" in gdm.
[00:48] <sub[t]rnl> Artimus➜ ugh, thats not good
[00:48] <shaft0> that's crazy hot, at overclocked 10% i'm running at 27-32 celcius
[00:48] <Artimus> This is a Prescott Celeron, crappy fan, crappy heatsink, and bad thermal gel
[00:48] <shaft0> not crazy hot i guewss
[00:48] <Boruta> ok thx
[00:49] <shaft0> but hotter than i was thinking :P
[00:49] <Artimus> In a cheap case
[00:49] <shaft0> ahh
[00:49] <Artimus> Tomorrow, I'm getting a 3.2ghz P4, proper heatsink, and Arctic Silver.  And I'm swapping this board into a much better case with 120mm fans.
[00:50] <gan|y|med> ardchoille: thx for your help, but i do not want to use the fglrx binary driver. i would like to use the open source ati driver. so following the instructions on this page does not work for me
[00:50] <ardchoille> gan|y|med: Ok
[00:50] <shaft0> i picked up a computer at the electronics recycling center yesterday, 3.4 p4 HT with 2 gigs of ram
[00:50] <shaft0> crap case, but cant argue with that for free ;)
[00:51] <gan|y|med> thx anyway
[00:51] <ardchoille> yw
[00:51] <Artimus> This is a step up from my other computer.  My 1.8ghz Athlon64 actually lags in KDE...
[00:51] <Artimus> I blame Amarok mostly, but the performance is noticable with it off as well
[00:51] <bobfarley> for air management of cases, pass as much air thru it as you can.  get the static air pressure up.
[00:52] <Artimus> Yes, my other case is good for that...  These were parts laying around...  I expect a nice drop in temperatures by tomorrow ^_^
[00:52] <ardchoille> Artimus , shaft0 You are welcome to continue the hardware discussion in #Artimus or #shaft0 . I'm afraid it's a bit ot for this channel.
[00:52] <shaft0> fair enough
[00:52] <Artimus> ardchoille: Why would I make a new channel and not use Kubuntu-Offtopic?
[00:53] <ardchoille> Artimus: Oh, that works too :)
[00:53] <shaft0> haha
[00:54] <hdevalence> sub[t]rnl: It doesn't work. I configured it using xrandr, but I'm not sure if I did it right
[00:55] <Artimus> Back to the Amarok thing then...  Does anyone have issues with Amarok lagging KDE down?  It was more prevalent on my older computer, but I still occasionally see it on this faster computer.  It can be particularly bad when it's trying to connect to a stream..
[00:56] <hdevalence> Artimus: maybe try #amarok ?
[00:56] <ardchoille> Artimus: I noticed mine using a high amount of resources, so I quit using it.
[00:57] <Artimus> hdevalence: Thanks, but no thanks.  From what I can tell, they're pretty focused on the new Amarok coming out...
[00:58] <hdevalence> Artimus: yeah, i tried the SVN version. it's pretty fantastic
[00:58] <Artimus> I suspect kio_file requests are causing the current version to lock up.  Adept does that too.
[00:58] <Artimus> Until it gets a response from the server.
[00:59] <mahasamoot> network debuging question.  There are websites and such that will test for an open port, but if no software is listening on my side, it'll come back as closed.  Is there a utility that I can set to listen to any port on my side... just so I can know for a fact whether or not I can get thro the firewall?
[01:04] <gean> hello world! a good new 2008!
[01:05] <DarkTan_> ok, i am now running gutsy, i'm trying to follow these instructions for my bcm43xx wifi card. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Gutsy?highlight=%28WifiDocs%2FDriver%29
[01:05] <hdevalence> gean: happy new year to you too!
[01:05] <DarkTan_> where it;s telling me to go, specificly the Restricted Driver Manager
[01:06] <DarkTan_> *can't find where it's telling me to go
[01:06] <mahasamoot> gean: happy new year... 2008 will be great!.... if I can get the webcam working on kopete :-(
[01:07] <mahasamoot> is there a network utility that will listen on any given port on my side to test the firewall?
[01:08] <tekteen> nc
[01:08] <jcg42> I get this: http://img145.imageshack.us/my.php?image=weekalarmerrorim4.png when I try to start the weekalarm script in Amarok. Can anyone tell me how I can fix it?
[01:08] <tekteen> mahasamoot: nc -l PORT
[01:08] <vbgunz> anyone familiar with open office writer? how do you nest a table in a cell and have the outer cell completely wrap the table? currently I have a space in the cell along with the table, how do I get rid of it?
[01:08] <mahasamoot> tekteen: thank you very much!
[01:08] <tekteen> mahasamoot: u need to be root for the normal ports
[01:09] <tekteen> mahasamoot: np
[01:09] <unix_infidel> vbgunz: it's very hard to verbalize stuff that is a visual representation.
[01:09] <unix_infidel> why not try and draw it out real quick?
[01:10] <vbgunz> unix_infidel: am working on a skill resume. I am trying to nest a 2 column table within a single cell of another table. doing so causes the wrapping cell to have excess padding or something. I cannot get rid of it :(
[01:11] <bmk789> is there a way to use bootsplash themes without rebuilding the kernel?
[01:12] <Jucato> bmk789: only if you mean USplash bootsplash themes. other than, you have to do some more tweaking. unfortunately, not many usplash themes to go around
[01:12] <Jucato> !usplash
[01:12] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[01:12] <gean> mahasamoot the year is fresh! it will happen in its duration. Its not that hard as my problem to fully install kubuntu. (No internet connection on the other box yet. Here is the other laptop runnin' Mepis.) I googled and the first entry looked ok for your purposes. http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete%20Webcam%20Support&comzone=show . (I'll soon have the same problem. But first i need that LAN, to put synaptic at work.)
[01:12] <bmk789> Jucato: ok thanks
[01:18] <DarkTan_> how do i get the restricted driver manager in gutsy?
[01:19] <CheGuevara> apt-get restricted-manager
[01:19] <Jucato> it's installed by default
[01:20] <CheGuevara> actually no
[01:20] <CheGuevara> yeah it should come installed
[01:20] <Jucato> System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Restricted Manager
[01:20] <sea4ever> anyway to install a rpm package?
[01:20] <DarkTan_> ohh there it is, thx
[01:21] <sub[t]rnl> sea4ever➜ you can try converting the package using alien, then installing with dpkg
[01:21] <Jucato> sea4ever: is there no .deb package available for what you're trying to install?
[01:21] <Boruta> how can i enable "elastic windows mode" in kubuntu?
[01:21] <sea4ever> no, not that I know of, can't find any
[01:22] <vbgunz> does open office have an IRC channel?
[01:22] <Jucato> !rpm | sea4ever
[01:22] <ubotu> sea4ever: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[01:22] <Jucato> !openoffice | vbgunz
[01:22] <ubotu> vbgunz: a free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org". User help available in #users.openoffice.org
[01:22] <vbgunz> Jucato: thanks!
[01:22] <Jucato> Boruta: Compiz-Fusion isn't installed by default on Kubuntu
[01:22] <Jucato> !compiz | Boruta
[01:22] <ubotu> Boruta: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[01:23] <Boruta> ok thx
[01:25] <DarkTan_> is wine worth useing?
[01:25] <Jucato> depends on what you will be using it for
[01:25] <DarkTan_> what it it good for?
[01:25] <Jucato> !wine
[01:25] <ubotu> WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility.
[01:26] <Jucato> it will not run every Windows application...
[01:34] <mrdigital-deskto> how do i install mythtv in 1 shot on 7.10
[01:35] <bobfarley> mrdigital-deskto   this not better ? http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Main_Page
[01:36] <Nvrnight> hey what's the offtopic channel?
[01:36] <mrdigital-deskto> huh?
[01:36] <Schuenemann> !ot
[01:36] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[01:36] <bobfarley> mrdigital-deskto http://linuxmce.com/
[01:37] <DarkTan-2> !ghost
[01:37] <ubotu> On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[01:37] <DarkTan-2> .msg nickserv GHOST Draktan_ <frodolives>
[01:37] <Schuenemann> huh?
[01:38] <Jucato> er.. DarkTan_ I suggest you change your IRC nick's password
[01:38] <DarkTan_> yeah
[01:38] <DarkTan_> gonna do that as soon as i figure out how
[01:38] <Schuenemann> to frodoisdead
[01:39] <DarkTan_> lol
[01:39] <DarkTan_> !register
[01:39] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[01:39] <Schuenemann> nickserv set password NEW
[01:39] <Jucato> /msg nickserv set password <new password>
[01:39] <Schuenemann> I think
[01:39] <DarkTan_> thx
[01:39] <mrdigital-deskto> i like linuxmce but i wanna use the pc as a desktop also
[01:40] <Schuenemann> /nickserv will do
[01:40] <DarkTan_> ok, that worked
[01:40] <DarkTan_> now, i need help
[01:40] <DarkTan_> i updated and upgraded as soon as i installed
[01:40] <DarkTan_> half of the stuff crashes now
[01:41] <DarkTan_> adept locks up everytime i try to install something as does apt-get
[01:41] <ardchoille> DarkTan_: You using 3rd party scripts/installer,.. or mixing repos in your sources.list?
[01:41] <DarkTan_> i used adept to upgrade
[01:41] <ardchoille> DarkTan_: Ah, ok
[01:42] <DarkTan_> i also tried useing the restricted driver manager to enable my wireless card, it says i'm good, iwconfig says it work
[01:42] <DarkTan_> it doesn't
[01:43] <DarkTan_> if it try to redo it, it says that the package wasn't installed because it might break a package
[01:44] <mrdigital-deskto> linuxmce looks a bit too much
[01:44] <DarkTan_> since i haven't done anything since the install, would it be best to just re-install?
[01:52] <Nvrnight> offtopic channel for video of the guy getting shot by fireworks last night
[01:52] <ardchoille> !ot | Nvrnight Please don't do that
[01:52] <ubotu> Nvrnight Please don't do that: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[01:53]  * flaccid yawns
[02:02] <SudoKing> is there a way for me to change the clock in the sys tray to 12 hour time instead of 24 hour../
[02:04] <Dragnslcr> Right click the clock and go to Date and Time format
[02:05] <mrdigital-deskto> what is the thin client i can mout to the lcd planel?
[02:05] <flaccid> mrdigital-deskto: um you want to make thin client(s) ?
[02:06] <mrdigital-deskto> huh?
[02:06] <mrdigital-deskto> i want the thin client the guy in the linuxmce video used he mounted it to the screw holes on the lcd moniter
[02:06] <flaccid> mrdigital-deskto: like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto
[02:07] <flaccid> oh, i have not seen that video sorry, welcome to show it to me
[02:07] <mrdigital-deskto> yeah but i want the same case he had
[02:07] <mrdigital-deskto> here
[02:07] <mrdigital-deskto> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2176025602905109829&hl=en
[02:08] <SudoKing> how do I change the clock from 24 hr time to 12 hr time
[02:08] <mrdigital-deskto> 17:17 into the video
[02:10] <mrdigital-deskto> any idea flaccid?
[02:10] <flaccid> is this hardware?
[02:10] <mrdigital-deskto> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7190647374.html
[02:11] <flaccid> mrdigital-deskto: The RBT-802 and RBT-820 are available now through BosaNova's resellers, with a suggested price of $450.
[02:12] <mrdigital-deskto> i know
[02:12] <mrdigital-deskto> thats the same one i think he used right?
[02:12] <flaccid> oky doke not sure
[02:13] <flaccid> thats pretty sweet but
[02:15] <flaccid> i might try running it in vmware then tv out into an lcd then use picture in picture heh
[02:15] <mrdigital-deskto> huh?
[02:15] <someon1> anyone know a program that can handle a 600,000+ line CSV file?
[02:16] <Jucato> GUI program? kate can't? if it's ok to use the command line, perhaps nano, emacs, or vim?
[02:16] <Artimus> Jucato: I'm guessing the user wants something more Excel like
[02:16] <Jucato> oh :)
[02:16]  * Jucato blushes :P
[02:16] <someon1> GUI would be nice, but I essentially need the CSV file to be convereted to a tab (or space or comma) delimated ascii file
[02:16] <flaccid> mrdigital-deskto: have a look at fiire's websites and products i guess
[02:17] <Jucato> Artimus: hm.. looks like we're wrong? :)
[02:17] <flaccid> someon1: did you try openoffice or koffice
[02:17] <someon1> opening it directly?
[02:17] <Artimus> Jucato: Not really...  It's either Excel or a huge address book, probably
[02:18] <flaccid> there is a few csv formats
[02:18] <someon1> no I haven't...I guess that would be the most straightword thing to try first
[02:19] <administrator> >_>
[02:23] <michiel_> greetings, just installed Kubuntu on a machine with a geforce 8800GT, and for some reason the card isn't recognized, ie. it simply won't work. Driver management says no proprietary drivers are needed, and X doesn't work with the nv driver (using the vesa driver atm). Any suggestions?
[02:26] <BluesKaj> michiel_, try the default restricted driver in system settings /advanced
[02:27] <michiel_> BluesKaj: that reports same thing, no restricted drivers needed
[02:27] <flaccid> michiel_: yeah this is common, the card is not in the db yet i believe, please pastebin xorg.conf
[02:28] <shadowh511> hello
[02:28] <shadowh511> how do i convert my ubuntu installation onto kubuntu?
[02:28] <michiel_> flaccid: it's the default xorg.conf, I only changed driver "nv" to driver "vesa" to get X up and running ;)
[02:29] <michiel_> I'll still paste it if you want, but there's nothing really shocking or strange in there
[02:30] <BluesKaj> michiel_, check adept for the nvidia drivers ...there are revealing descriptions of the various ones and which cards they work with
[02:32] <michiel_> flaccid: here's the current xorg.conf btw: http://pastebin.org/13790
[02:32] <jim__> hi hi
[02:32] <michiel_> BluesKaj: adept?
[02:32] <BluesKaj> yup
[02:32] <readyx> http://biaaatch.com/pic/butterfly-grey.jpg :)
[02:33] <michiel_> ah, software manager \
[02:33] <michiel_> I've always used Synaptic, but this'll work I guess ;)
[02:34] <flaccid> michiel_: that is why restricted manager is saying none needed possible too, but more likely that card is not in db yet
[02:34] <BluesKaj> no diff realy
[02:34] <flaccid> one sec
[02:34] <michiel_> BluesKaj: adept search for nvidia shows 2 drivers, both of which have no description stating supported cards
[02:34] <jim__> lovin this kubuntu 64 bit crap
[02:35] <jim__> wish i understood it better :/
[02:35] <michiel_> I'm guessing simply downloading the run file from nvidia.com and installing that won't work even if I have the kernel headers downloaded?
[02:35] <flaccid> michiel_: im not sure if someone has got it going yet with this card. ask in in #nvidia or follow the binary driver how to and install nvidia-glx-new
[02:36] <jim__> ooo i had the hardeest time w/ my nvidia 8800gtx card config until I tried this distro
[02:36] <flaccid> michiel_: i think thats the same pretty much as nvidia-glx-new anyway
[02:36] <BluesKaj> michiel_, sorry, ....bummer
[02:36] <flaccid> there are a lot of dif 8800 as well
[02:36] <jim__> yup
[02:36] <jim__> mine is the shizznizzle
[02:37] <BluesKaj> new kernel source driver , would prolly be the one
[02:37] <michiel_> flaccid: latest binary driver on nvidia site mentions specific support for the 8800GT. then again, that driver was released 20 dec. 2007, so might not be in the repository then I guess?
[02:37] <flaccid> michiel_: thats what i am thinking because all these generic identifiers are coming up for the card as its not detected. i have not had someone report which driver works on these cards yet but
[02:38] <michiel_> BluesKaj: heh, no prob, I'll find something. and otherwise I'll just keep using vesa driver until the 8800GT is supported ;)
[02:38] <flaccid> michiel_: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[02:39] <jim__> hey my 8800gtx card is so similar and I had no problems w the latest nvidia pkg
[02:39] <jim__> flaccid is right
[02:39] <michiel_> jim__: your card is older, the 8800GT is the only new card using the 65mn chips
[02:39] <jim__> thats what I used
[02:39] <jim__> ohhhhhh
[02:39] <jim__> ya
[02:39] <jim__> u r right
[02:39] <flaccid> ok thats sweet then, its just not detected yet but can install driver manual
[02:39] <jim__> doing!!!
[02:39] <michiel_> jim__: and yes, nvidiap-glx-new should just work yes ;)
[02:39] <jim__> sorry
[02:40] <jim__> slap me stoopid
[02:40] <flaccid> michiel_: what does lspci | grep -i vga return?
[02:40] <flaccid> however not everyone it will work i don't think so this important thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=596954
[02:40] <michiel_> flaccid: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0611 (rev a2)
[02:41] <flaccid> yep you are same as these other people
[02:41] <jim__> my x crashed on reboot when I used compiz-had to reconfig my xserver.  How can I shut compiz off after I turn it on?
[02:41] <michiel_> bah, I was looking for a thread on it earlier, couldn't find it, thanks ;)
[02:41] <flaccid> jim__: kwin --replace & from konsole
[02:42] <jim__> aighty
[02:42] <flaccid> np michiel_
[02:42] <jim__> tanx
[02:42] <flaccid> consider nv is the best on linux they have a good time screwing up the driver
[02:42] <michiel_> hehe
[02:43] <michiel_> I just tried the official nvidia driver from their site + kernel headers for this kernel. Driver builds ok, when starting X it complains about API mismatch :/
[02:44] <flaccid> oh dang, maybe google that error. did nvidia-glx-new from repos work?
[02:45] <flaccid> (need to make sure you have the right version kernel packages too
[02:45] <michiel_> flaccid:  the nvidia-glx-new did not work
[02:45] <michiel_> kernel headers are correct for this kernel
[02:45] <michiel_> as I got them from apt
[02:46] <michiel_> the error is mentioned in the thread you linked as well
[02:46] <flaccid> ah ok dang i guess you have to wait. what was the error with glx-new?
[02:46] <michiel_> api mismatch is followed by a message stating the card is unsupported with this driver
[02:46] <michiel_> same error
[02:46] <flaccid> oh nvidia how ridiculous
[02:46] <flaccid> release a card without a driver thats pathetic
[02:47] <michiel_> idneed
[02:47] <michiel_> seems the linux support for this card has been missing for over a month now at least
[02:47] <michiel_> which is pretty bad for nvidia
[02:47] <flaccid> its the same concept as a car without a driver
[02:47] <michiel_> I've always had nvidia cards for the simple reason they simply always work under linux, compared to the crappy linux driver support ATI has :)
[02:47] <flaccid> yeah i agree, i've had at least 5 people in the last couple of weeks with same issue i think
[02:48] <flaccid> well ATI might overtake NV now that amd have bought it and releasing new linux driver
[02:48] <BluesKaj> the nvidia ppl are flush with self congrats over their wins in the PC mag tests ...maybe they care a bit less about the linux users now
[02:49] <flaccid> still i don't think they are going to provide the same support for current/old cards
[02:49] <michiel_> ah well, it's not like I play games under linux anyways, so the vesa driver for now works fine, but would be nice at a certain point when KDE4 comes out to run all the nice desktop eyecandy and put those vista users to shame ;)
[02:49] <flaccid> well they should have enough money to get ouf of bed and upload a driver to a website
[02:49] <flaccid> michiel_: the "nv" driver fails as well?
[02:50] <michiel_> yep
[02:50] <michiel_> vesa driver is the only one that works atm
[02:50] <flaccid> how much did the card cost you?
[02:50] <michiel_> pff, enough ;)
[02:50] <michiel_> lemme check
[02:50] <flaccid> hehe. i high spec card with dvi only to use the vesa driver. nice!
[02:51] <dsmith__> hello
[02:52] <michiel_> yeah, dual dvi at that, which is also why I bought it, dual monitors are great
[02:52] <Greenery> michiel_: have u tried the beta driver version?
[02:52] <michiel_> Greenery: I try to stay away from the beta stuff usually, but I might as well give it a try
[02:52] <flaccid> michiel_: i had the old 8800 going at my old work and it was nice, but failed to get dual display going at the time - may of been the lcd but
[02:52] <michiel_> ie. I haven't done so yet
[02:53] <Greenery> well the current version (before the beta) does work but they got 100% fan bug
[02:53] <Greenery> so far i'm using the beta and works well with my 8800GT
[02:53] <flaccid> crazy
[02:53] <flaccid> what i don't get is what you cannot use xrandr with the restricted drivers for both nvidia and ati..
[02:54] <michiel_> bah, the latest official one, 169.07 (the one I just tried) states the 8800 GT is fully supported in the supported GPU list :/
[02:54] <Greenery> yeah it is fully supported
[02:54] <michiel_> Greenery: I'll give it a shot
[02:54] <Greenery> but i dont reccommend u use that
[02:54] <Greenery> cos the 100% fan usage
[02:54] <michiel_> heh, doesn't work for me anyways :(
[02:55] <Greenery> should work
[02:55] <flaccid> use it and when it blows up, take it back to nvidia and say to use this card, i was forced to use the beta driver which blew up the card, replace it and give me the production driver now.
[02:55] <Greenery> did u kill X when u installed the driver?
[02:56] <michiel_> hehe, the beta driver search on the nvidia site even returns an older driver than the one listed as the released driver for this card right now :/
[02:56] <michiel_> of course ;)
[02:56] <Greenery> u could ask ncidia linux support, maybe they could help u
[02:56] <Greenery> *nvidia
[02:56] <mrdigital-deskto> Greenery: can LinuxMCE do TV-out?
[02:57] <Greenery> mrdigital-deskto: i'm not sure abt that, sorry
[02:57] <mrdigital-deskto> ok
[02:57] <flaccid> i dont understand why large companies cannot keep their sites updated or provide basic service and support.
[02:57] <michiel_> same
[02:57] <michiel_> you would guess they have people and cash enough for it
[02:57] <michiel_> and if not enough people, at least cash to hire people to do it ;)
[02:57] <flaccid> its because humans are not intelligient
[02:58] <Greenery> nvidia is hiring people for linux dept
[02:58] <flaccid> and there is the money/greed factor
[02:58] <Greenery> if anyone is interested
[02:58] <michiel_> sounds interesting Greenery, don't think I would qualify tho
[02:58] <flaccid> ah so basically they don't have the linux people but need them now or they left heh
[02:59] <michiel_> anyways, I'll give it another month, nothing 3D or accelerated to be done the coming month anyways. There's always the dualboot option as well
[02:59] <Greenery> nvidia support are here: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s&forumid=14
[02:59] <michiel_> thanks for the help so far, see you in a bit when it's working ;)
[03:00] <flaccid> i had to buy windows to use the 3d accel on the card i bought from you nvidia, thats 500 bux please
[03:00] <Greenery> ^^
[03:06] <jhutchins> flaccid: Next time do your research better.
[03:08] <flaccid> jhutchins: research on what sorry
[03:08] <jhutchins> Next time look up hardware support before you buy.
[03:09] <flaccid> jhutchins: i do. i was talking in a different context like putting myself in michiel's shoes
[03:09] <flaccid> is the extreme i would do because of the situation
[03:09] <jhutchins> I see so many people who have to have the latest, hottest thing, and the get it, and guess what?  It DOESN'T WORK!
[03:09] <flaccid> one should not have to research if a driver is available for their card when the company supports the operating system you use
[03:10] <jhutchins> YOU SPENT 3X WHAT THE CURRENT WORKING TECH COSTS, AND IT DOESN'T WORK!
[03:10] <flaccid> jhutchins: yeah i don't do that myself personally, but as a consumer in this world it shouldn't be a hassle to buy something
[03:10] <flaccid> !shouting | jhutchins
[03:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about shouting - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:10] <flaccid> hehe
[03:11] <jhutchins> flaccid: Sorry, wrong.
[03:11] <flaccid> you think it should be a hassle to purchase something?
[03:11] <DarkTan_> i can get in to admin mode on anything
[03:11] <SudoKing> !caps | Jhutchins
[03:11] <ubotu> Jhutchins: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[03:11] <flaccid> DarkTan_: please file a bug
[03:11] <SudoKing> :)
[03:11] <jhutchins> I think you should think first, research second, buy third.
[03:12] <flaccid> jhutchins: thats what i do. all my hardware at home works here on linux, working on bsd is another story altogether..
[03:12]  * jhutchins looses interest.
[03:12] <DarkTan_> well i installed gutsy, upgraded, screwed something up, reinstalled, updated, it asked me for my password once, now it doesn't and won't ket me in admin, is there anything i might have done to screw it up?
[03:12] <flaccid> jhutchins: discussions like these are off-topic
[03:12] <jembouge> hello there
[03:13] <flaccid> DarkTan_: i'm not sure, but its a common problem and raising a bug will get attention. i was browsing gutsy bugs and i can't seem to find one on this atm..
[03:13] <master2> hello
[03:13] <DarkTan_> ok
[03:13] <DarkTan_> how do i report it?
[03:13] <flaccid> !bugs | DarkTan_
[03:13] <ubotu> DarkTan_: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[03:14] <flaccid> the kde/kubuntu frontends have a lot of issues still and i wish that would be a priority to fix but i think we need to get more bug reports in
[03:15] <luan> hey
[03:15] <luan> hi everybody
[03:15] <luan> I'm a beginner
[03:15] <luan> in linux
[03:15] <flaccid> sweet
[03:15] <luan> can anyone help me?
[03:15] <flaccid> sure can
[03:15] <luan> I want to install java 6
[03:15] <flaccid> !java | luan
[03:15] <ubotu> luan: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[03:15] <luan> !java | luan
[03:16] <flaccid> ubotu won't repeat back an already recalled factoid luan
[03:16] <luan> thanks
[03:16] <flaccid> np
[03:16] <luan> oh
[03:16] <luan> look
[03:17] <luan> I've downloaded the .bin
[03:17] <luan> on the site java(dot)com
[03:17] <luan> but when I extract it
[03:17] <luan> it isn't work
[03:17] <luan> I tried in my user and in root
[03:17] <luan> but in any never changes
[03:18] <flaccid> !punctuation | luan
[03:18] <ubotu> luan: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[03:18] <luan>  !punctuation | luan
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> luan: read those instructions.... there is an easier way
[03:19] <flaccid> luan: don't use the one for the java website. follow the above guide. you can install it via a package
[03:19] <luan> ok
[03:19] <luan> ohhh
[03:19] <luan> look this
[03:19] <luan> the message tells me
[03:19] <luan> java 6 is already the newe version
[03:20] <luan> but when I go to the site
[03:20] <luan> it says to me that I uses java 5
[03:20] <flaccid> luan: please respond on one line if possible
[03:20] <jim__> I h8 to ask again being my memory but hoew do you shut off compiz again?
[03:20] <luan> ok
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> jim__: run from a ron caommand box,"kwin --replace"
[03:20] <flaccid> luan: you might need to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java#head-fef9352fb26820bb774df978180c9dd3a60e777b
[03:21] <nosrednaekim> jim__: *run command
[03:21] <jim__> yay
[03:21] <jim__> i got it
[03:21] <luan> guys
[03:21] <arrrghhh> so my clipboard is messed up
[03:22] <arrrghhh> and i don't think it's related to klipper
[03:22] <luan> what's the diference between beryl and compiz-fusion
[03:22] <arrrghhh> whenever i go to copy/paste something, i get some capital Y's and two gibbersh characters no matter what i try to copy
[03:22] <arrrghhh> luan: beryl is no more
[03:22] <luan> 'cause I don't see very big diferences
[03:22] <arrrghhh> well
[03:22] <luan> hmm
[03:22] <flaccid> luan: different projects and beryl is pretty much deprecated by compiz-fusion
[03:22] <arrrghhh> that might not be accurate
[03:22] <luan> I think beryl is good
[03:22] <luan> hey
[03:22] <arrrghhh> but google will tell you what is right
[03:23] <luan> how can I change to compiz-fusion?
[03:23] <Dr_willis> the codebase of beryl got put int o compiz-fusion. thus it is beryl+ :)
[03:23] <Dr_willis> !compiz
[03:23] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[03:23] <david__> hello I'm new
[03:23] <acee1234> anyone know how to fix a memory leak
[03:23]  * Dr_willis hands david__  a large coffee.
[03:23] <luan> hmm
[03:24] <david__> thanks dr. willis gives dr. willis a handshake
[03:24]  * Dr_willis hands acee1234  a wad of chewing gum.
[03:24] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:24] <acee1234> nothing is running and system is eating 1.9GB of ram in applications
[03:24] <luan> !compiz
[03:24] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[03:24] <Dr_willis> acee1234,  check the output of the 'free' command
[03:24] <luan> #compiz-fusion
[03:24] <luan> connect compiz-fusion
[03:24] <luan> ...
[03:24] <luan> how can I enter?
[03:25] <acee1234> 1620448 used
[03:25] <luan> o.O
[03:25] <arrrghhh> luan:  /join #compiz-fusion
[03:25] <Dr_willis> buffers = ram thats used as disk buffers. and will be freed up when needed.
[03:25] <luan> thanks again
[03:25] <luan> I'll sleep.. it's too late here
[03:26] <luan> Happy New Year to everybody
[03:26] <acee1234> Dr_willis: 1620448 used
[03:26] <luan> and Linux in the brain to all
[03:26] <luan> ^
[03:26] <luan> ^^
[03:26] <luan> M$ windows sucks ...
[03:27] <arrrghhh> so does anyone know why my clipboard would be copying strange characters to the clipboard instead of what i want to copy?
[03:28] <Dr_willis> acee1234,  so? :)
[03:28] <Dr_willis> total  1555816    used 1496392   here..
[03:28] <Dr_willis> with buffers 45340    cached 1054332
[03:29] <acee1234> Dr_willis: would be nice if the computer didnt stick as bad as this gum any ideas?
[03:30] <acee1234> Dr_willis: even the microsoft brand doesnt loose flavor this fast
[03:30] <Dr_willis> acee1234,  linux tends to use as much ram as it wants for disk cache. If you think you have an actual memory leak in a program. then figure out what program is doing the leaking. and file a bug report. You expecting some sort of magical answer?
[03:31] <acee1234> Dr_willis: your the Doc but it seems i have cancer
[03:31] <arrrghhh> ŸŸ
[03:31] <Dr_willis> Youve really not shown much of a problem. or given much info. Even with 'nothing' running - a system thats been up for some time will have a decnt amount of ram used for cache.
[03:31] <arrrghhh> that's what my clipboard is copying
[03:31] <arrrghhh> i don't get it
[03:32] <Dr_willis> arrrghhh,  how are you pasteing that?
[03:32] <arrrghhh> ctrl-v
[03:32] <arrrghhh> or right click, paste
[03:32] <Dr_willis> arrrghhh,  theres actually 2 clipboards i gues ya can say.. one is on the middle click, the other is the more normal cut/paste type.
[03:32] <Dr_willis> select some text and middle click. see if that works.
[03:32] <arrrghhh> yea i knew about that... but that's not really a solution
[03:33] <arrrghhh> that does still work
[03:33] <Dr_willis> theres also a way to 'sync' those 2 clipboards. with klipper. Actually You may want to run klipper to see whats geting cut/pasted. Its a handy tool
[03:33] <Dr_willis> kilpper refers to the middle click buffer as the 'selection'
[03:33] <arrrghhh> i use klipper
[03:34] <arrrghhh> and it's getting one line that's right
[03:34] <arrrghhh> and the line it always wants to paste is the jibberish
[03:34] <arrrghhh> no matter what i select from klipper
[03:34] <Dr_willis> thats... weird.
[03:34] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:35] <arrrghhh> uh... yea
[03:35] <arrrghhh> i've seen it happen on xfce
[03:35] <Dr_willis> the #kde guys might have a idea or 2. I  cant think of anything to try to force it to reset/restart
[03:36] <arrrghhh> restarting used to fix it, no longer does it.
[03:36] <acee1234> Dr_willis: my problem is that when linux starts it eats about 300MB i do stuff and close out of the windows and after about 4 hrs its eaten all there is my karamba widget reports that only 473 MB is being used but everything else tells me is all gone accented by program lag as for information if there are system stats screen shots of thing that might be helpful i will produce but i know not which you might need
[03:37] <arrrghhh> acee1234: look at swappiness, sometimes the system eats more ram for the sake of applications running smoothly.
[03:37] <arrrghhh> i remember seeing a thread about a guy who upgraded from 2gb to 7gb of ram, and linux promptly ate 6.5 gigs of his ram.  all to applications lol
[03:37] <sparr> id like to slow a program down to simulate it running on a slower processor.  can that be done reliably?
[03:38] <arrrghhh> i guess you could renice the process, but that's not really the same
[03:39] <Dragnslcr> sparr- worst case, I think most virtualization systems let you control how much CPU time a VM gets
[03:39] <acee1234> arrrghhh: http://pastebin.com/m37e6b9ed
[03:39] <Dr_willis> acee1234,  i think karamba may be the thing eating ram/leaking it.  memory leaks can be very hard to detect.
[03:40] <acee1234> <kills karamba
[03:40] <Dr_willis> if its leaking ram - it may not be unallocateing it even if you close it. that can be a bit problem
[03:40] <fildo> Dr_willis: i agree in there hard to find out what leaks
[03:40] <Dr_willis> its also possible it may be a specific karamba applet thats causing the issue..
[03:41] <fildo> well kill it and find out
[03:41] <Dr_willis> eliminate things running.. and see if any seem to have an effect, i guess is the way to trouble shoot it.
[03:41] <acee1234> Dr_willis:  i killed karamba still eatin ram but i dont know if restart is required
[03:41] <fildo> if u restart, the service will restart and you will head into the same issue
[03:42] <acee1234> Dr_willis: i dont know how to kill thing properly
[03:42] <arrrghhh> acee1234: nice pastebin?  that doesn't help me
[03:42] <Dr_willis> Best way to test would be to reboot,  DONT start karamba, and find some other  ram monitoring tool.   In component main, is optional. Version 7.10-5 (gutsy), package size 4856 kB, installed size 56384 kB
[03:47] <fildo> i mis interpreted thinking that u wanted to know on how to kill certain processes or applications
[03:47] <fildo> aussie aussie aussie !
[03:47] <fildo> off the topic.. but go the aussies in the cricket
[03:48] <acee1234> <--is a lost american
[03:50] <acee1234> is there a reason my swap is always at 0?
[03:51] <arrrghhh> acee1234: did you listen to me at all?
[03:53] <acee1234> arrrghhh: i assumed so but perhaps i missed something?
[03:53] <arrrghhh> uh... swappiness
[03:53] <arrrghhh> look it up
[03:53] <acee1234> Dr_willis: conkey reports 25% usage
[03:54] <Dr_willis> 25% is trivial. :)
[03:55] <Dr_willis> acee1234,  swap is only used when it really really needs it.
[03:55] <Dr_willis> Unlike the way MS does it
[03:55] <fildo> indeed. ms is screwed in the department
[03:56] <Dr_willis> when a major 'tweak' for windows is to set the swap file at a set size.. and you gain big improvements.. thats scary. :)
[03:57] <weswh-> trying to mount a firewire drive of mine...i have terminal records indicating that it was sda3 before...but, i just can't remember. how can i find out what is 'active'? figure out how to mount it
[03:57] <acee1234> 25% is trivial. i understand that 25% is trivial but my ksysguard tells me different and the program lag reflects the lack of ram or some other unknown
[03:58] <Dr_willis> I cant recall ever seeing programs 'lag' due to high ram ussage
[03:58] <Dr_willis> and if they are lagging now.. its not due to ram ussage.
[03:58] <acee1234> Dr_willis: other possible debug?
[03:59] <Dr_willis> ksysguard is giving me some totally bogus #'s here.
[03:59] <Dr_willis> my memory is like  1.2546E+10
[03:59] <Dr_willis> thats.. odddd.
[03:59] <acee1234> Dr_willis: ok so ksysguard is bogus
[04:00] <Dr_willis> the statys bar of ksysguard seems correct.
[04:00] <weswh-> is there a command that will tell me what is active on my system device wise?
[04:00] <acee1234> Dr_willis: what laggs programs then
[04:00] <weswh-> even if it isn't mounted?
[04:00] <acee1234> Dr_willis: my hd isnt churning
[04:00] <Dr_willis> weswh-,  i often use 'sudo fdisk -l'
[04:01] <weswh-> ah...there we go
[04:02] <weswh-> now, this is an HFS (mac system drive from before)...I've mounted it successfully in the past. It's saying doesn't cointain a valid partition table though
[04:02] <weswh-> doesn't sound good...hope nothing happened to this disk
[04:04] <acee1234> im restarting x to see if it effects anything
[04:05] <dasKreech> AmyRose_laptop: ! :)
[04:07] <Hobbsee> hum.  why does it go silent when i enter?
[04:08] <Alonea> will the kubuntu disk reformat my hard drive if windows can't?
[04:08] <AmyRose_laptop> Is it so bad to use a laptop here? =P
[04:08] <stdin> because we fear the stick :)
[04:08] <dasKreech> !hobbsee
[04:08] <ubotu> I phear the stick so shhhhh
[04:08] <dasKreech> You asked
[04:08] <AmyRose> Hobbsee: You scare us =P
[04:08] <Hobbsee> oh dear :P
[04:08] <dasKreech> She's not real!
[04:09] <acee1234> dr_willis: restaring x didnt do anything. how do i get the system to boot without starting from previous session's open windows etc
[04:09] <dasKreech> She can't hurt us if she's not real!
[04:09] <AmyRose> Neither am I. I'm just a pink hedgehog in a series of video games
[04:09] <Alonea> hey dasKreech
[04:09] <dasKreech> Hey Alonea  :)
[04:09] <dasKreech> Alonea: it kan't ?
[04:09] <dasKreech> AmyRose: But we dont' Phear you :-P
[04:10]  * AmyRose strangles dasKreech with a mouse kable
[04:10] <Dr_willis> acee1234,  kde has a sessions menu/setting somewhere. you can set it to use a default/empty session
[04:10] <Alonea> dasKreech: nope. its odd. Windows ends up going wonky after about every 2 weeks to 2 months. I thought it was the hdd, so I got a new one, reinstalled windows on it, and now its doing the same thing the old hdd did.
[04:10]  * dasKreech laughs maniacally at the pink one in his head
[04:11] <dasKreech> Alonea: It's your cable
[04:11] <Alonea> dasKreech: yet my linux system has no failure of any sort. I am wondering if I got a bad version of windows from hp.
[04:11] <dasKreech> Alonea: got crimpped is my guess and is dropping bits
[04:11] <Alonea> dasKreech: cable? its a laptop and I tried switching ports.
[04:11] <dasKreech> Alonea: My computer did the same thing Windows couldn't boot Throw nasty errors told me the hard drive that it was on didn't exist
[04:12] <dasKreech> switched hard drives did the same thing
[04:12] <dasKreech>  Linux was fine unless I was copying a multigig file
[04:12] <dasKreech> Swapped out the cable everything went back to good
[04:12] <Alonea> dasKreech: well, its not that bad yet. i just cant format or defrag it. my computer goes for a while and then just shuts off or if in windows, blue screen.
[04:13]  * AmyRose is glad she doesn't have to defrag with Linux =3
[04:13] <dasKreech> Alonea: laptop eh?
[04:13] <acee1234> Dr_willis: ok restarting with empty session brb
[04:13] <Alonea> dasKreech: I would have no clue how to replace both cables in a laptop.
[04:13] <dasKreech> how loud does the fan get?
[04:13] <dasKreech> I find I have to put my laptop hanging off a table edge or somethign when doing long period hard drive work or it overheats
[04:13] <Alonea> dasKreech: not very. and its not overheating or anything (I would feel it...). It sounds normal to me.
[04:14] <dasKreech>  the fans try but if they have restricted airflow they eventually just tell the BIOS to shut down
[04:14] <Alonea> dasKreech: and it pretty much fails within 10 minutes or less.
[04:14] <dasKreech> Yeah 10 minutes or less for me too
[04:14] <Alonea> dasKreech: hmm..and the compy doesn't even feel warm.
[04:14] <foibles> hi there
[04:14] <dasKreech> AmyRose: Of course not. You don't exist! :)
[04:14] <foibles> how do you reset the kde wallet password?
[04:15] <dasKreech> with the command piKpoKet
[04:15] <Alonea> dasKreech: i do have an external lap fan thingie I can hook up to the usb. I just don't know if its over heating or not.
[04:15] <weswh-> I am doing a cp from a mounted drive to my system drive...is there any way to see if the transfer is in progress? or if it is hung or something...i entered the command and it is just sitting there
[04:15] <dasKreech> Alonea: Where is the fan blowout?
[04:15] <dasKreech> under the laptop or to the back ?
[04:15] <Alonea> dasKreech: bottom and very back.
[04:16] <stdin> weswh-: nope, cp has no progress info
[04:16] <weswh-> it did copy a directory to my system drive...but, trying properties etc. to see if it is increasing in size, isn't getting me anywhere
[04:16] <dasKreech> foibles: probably in the kwallet dir. dunno
[04:16] <AmyRose> dasKreech: Your name gives me a headache :-P
[04:16] <dasKreech> Alonea: how much along the bottom all to one side or along the entire back ?
[04:17] <dasKreech> AmyRose: Ha ha :)
[04:17] <dasKreech> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huXORnAtDig
[04:17] <dasKreech> AmyRose: ^^^
[04:17] <Alonea> dasKreech: about 3 inches long on left side.
[04:17] <stdin> !ot  | dasKreech
[04:17] <ubotu> dasKreech: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:18] <dasKreech> stdin: Where?
[04:18] <stdin> dasKreech: what do you mean "Where?"
[04:20] <AmyRose> Yeah, dasKreech, you have to take it to #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:20] <acee1234> how do i get rid of adept notifier green dot?
[04:20] <dasKreech> AmyRose: Neernerr
[04:21] <stdin> acee1234: right click it and quit it
[04:23] <functionofxy> will kde 4.0 packages be opt-in or opt-out for 7.10? will they be offered in the main repo at all?
[04:23] <functionofxy> or will we have to wait for 8.04?
[04:23] <flaccid> !kde4 | functionofxy
[04:23] <ubotu> functionofxy: kde4 is KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://tinyurl.com/2gqwmr - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[04:23] <functionofxy> i understand that
[04:23] <functionofxy> thanks
[04:24] <functionofxy> but will it be dumped into the 7.10 repos?
[04:24] <stdin> functionofxy: they'll probably be an option in 8.04, but 8.10 should have it by default
[04:24] <functionofxy> =[
[04:24] <functionofxy> so long to wait....
[04:24] <acee1234>  stdin: doesnt work
[04:24] <stdin> there are packages in the 7.10 repos now
[04:24] <stdin> acee1234: what happens?
[04:24] <functionofxy> will we be getting kde4 packages the same way we got kde4rc2?
[04:25] <flaccid> functionofxy: thats what i was told, but nto sure
[04:25] <acee1234> stdin:  nothing
[04:25] <stdin> acee1234: what did you try?
[04:25] <acee1234> stdin:  hitting the "x" right-click/exit
[04:26] <stdin> functionofxy: they'll probably be in the PPA before they hit the repos, but that's because getting it in to the main repos is a long process
[04:26] <stdin> acee1234: and it didn't close then?
[04:26] <acee1234> stdin: npo
[04:26] <acee1234> stdin: no
[04:26] <stdin> acee1234: try "killall adept_notifier" from the run dialog
[04:27] <weswh-> do i need to "empty" my trash? i remember back in like edgey or something i had a trash icon...but i haven't seen one in ages.
[04:27] <acee1234> stdin: bingo
[04:27] <stdin> weswh-: you only need to empty it if you want to actually delete the stuff in it
[04:28] <stdin> trash:/ from konqueror/dolphin
[04:28] <weswh-> cool...
[04:29] <mrtimbo> Why does it keep saying that the flash plugin is broke
[04:29] <mrtimbo> Well when i join the #Kubuntu channel?
[04:30] <stdin> because that's the information that's in the topic
[04:31] <fannagoganna> what appears to be the problem?
[04:31] <mrtimbo> but I installed it yesterday and it was fine
[04:40] <flaccid> !flash > fildo
[04:56] <m1k3> I need help, how do I change the apt-get to install from the internet and not the cd?
[04:56] <flaccid> m1k3: enable repos in adept
[04:56] <flaccid> !adept | m1k3
[04:56] <ubotu> m1k3: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[04:57] <weswh-> i am in trash:/
[04:58] <weswh-> how do i actually delete everything?
[04:58] <weswh-> select it all and hit delete again?
[05:00] <jes2> hi... I have permission problems with rails on kubuntu; everything seemed Ok till I went to my railsapp directory & tried "rails test"... get permission denied
[05:00] <jes2> I don't think I should have to use sudo to do things like this...right?
[05:01] <sigma_123> konqueror
[05:04] <hdevalence> I can't get gmail's smtp to work in kontact
[05:05] <sigma_123> make sure u set up the ssl properly. gmail is very picky with ports
[05:06] <hdevalence> sigma_123: i found if you do 'send mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>it works
[05:06] <hdevalence> sigma_123: but not 'send mail'
[05:12] <sigma_123> i think u need to set the gmail account as the default one. im sure i had that problem as well
[05:13] <sigma_123> otherwise it wont know which one to use
[05:21] <acee1234> how do i kill system beep on backspace? i already turend off the system bell and all sounds via settings
[05:22] <flaccid> is this in konsole acee1234?
[05:23] <acee1234> flaccid: no
[05:23] <flaccid> where is it doing it then
[05:23] <Hobbsee> acee1234: add "blacklist pcspkr" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[05:24] <Hobbsee> probably modprobe -r pcspkr for now - that will only take effect when you reboot
[05:24] <tomahasamoot> Is there an error console for kubuntu?
[05:24] <acee1234> flaccid: pidgin
[05:24] <tomahasamoot> I'd like to get all messeges that I'm missing
[05:25] <flaccid> is it pc speaker or sound card?
[05:26] <Hobbsee> by system beep, i'ts probably the former
[05:27] <acee1234> flaccid: not speaker
[05:27] <flaccid> i don't know ask the pidgin people. if its disable in kde then yeah. pidgin is gnome/gtk app
[05:29] <acee1234> flaccid: will do thanks though
[05:30] <flaccid> np
[05:33] <tomahasamoot> What happens to all the messages that go to std-error when an app is launched via the K menue, rather than with a terminal? I want to see those messages, but I don't want to launch all my apps with a terminal
[05:34] <flaccid> tomahasamoot: not sure maybe /dev/null . why do you not want to launch in konsole ?
[05:36] <tomahasamoot> flaccid: I'm thinking of something for general use, more like an applet.  I've seen these things before in other window managers
[05:36] <tomahasamoot> they catch all of standard error
[05:37] <tomahasamoot> ... Ksysgaurd?
[05:37] <flaccid> um i don't know hey. launching from konsole in theory is the same. if its not called from that then yeah i guess you need to know kde
[05:37] <flaccid> um im not sure if ksysguard can do it
[05:39] <tomahasamoot> thanks
[05:41] <yao_ziyuan> how do i set the screen resolution BEFORE user login?
[05:42] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: you can't in any easy way
[05:42] <eljefe> When I hit [Back] in Konqueror, it always deposits me near the bottom of my folder, rather than at the top or (ideally) where I used to be.  I s there any way to fix this?
[05:42] <yao_ziyuan> flaccid: ...
[05:42] <flaccid> eljefe: i think if you goto keyboard shortcuts from the menu
[05:42] <yao_ziyuan> yao_ziyuan: i found my question ambiguous
[05:43] <eljefe> keyboard shortcuts?
[05:43] <yao_ziyuan> yao_ziyuan: what i mean is: each user can have his own screen resolution after logging into his account,
[05:43] <flaccid> yeah check its config for the backspace button or the action you require
[05:43] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: thats right they change in system settings yeah
[05:43] <yao_ziyuan> but what about the screen resolution used in the login screeN?
[05:44] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: thats the one in xorg.conf
[05:44] <eljefe> what i mean to say is, if i am in konqueror and i open a new folder from the 2000 folders and this one starts with "F"; then from that new folder I go back to the 2000 folders, and rather than being in the "F" section, i am at the "Z" section...
[05:44] <flaccid> eljefe: oh im not sure. you could ask in #kde i guess
[05:44] <eljefe> k thanks
[05:45] <yao_ziyuan> flaccid: thanks
[05:45] <flaccid> sorry wish i knew or someone else here
[05:47] <thanhcong> aaaa
[05:50] <K`zan> Can someone tell me where the downloaded packages are stored, I got a problem with vmware and would like to clean that out so I get a good start again.
[05:51] <emilsedgh> K`zan: /var/cache/apt/archives
[05:52] <K`zan> emilsedgh: Thank you sir!
[05:55] <yao_ziyuan> flaccid: but is there a gui that can help me configure xorg.conf?
[05:57] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: you could do kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf and do it manually or do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select desired resolution, pressing enter on the others
[05:57] <flaccid> because i think if you edit it as user it changes user resolution
[05:57] <flaccid> somebody correct me on that please
[05:58] <unix_infidel> you guys should really think about aliasing xorgconfig to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:58] <unix_infidel> and by "you guys" i mean the project.
[05:59] <flaccid> whats xorgconfig
[05:59] <unix_infidel> flaccid: http://www.linuxmanpages.com/man1/xorgconfig.1x.php
[06:00] <unix_infidel> it's deprecated, but used to be included in the xorg distribution for ubuntu iirc.
[06:00] <flaccid> how do i get it
[06:00] <flaccid> then why was it deprecated and why should it come back and what will it solve?
[06:01] <unix_infidel> flaccid: i mis used the word deprecated.
[06:02] <unix_infidel> it's not a part of the xorg distribution in many linux distributions.
[06:02] <unix_infidel> but for completeness, aliasing the binary function to the distribution specific funtion using dpkg-reconfigure makes sense.
[06:02] <flaccid> why
[06:02] <flaccid> whats the dif
[06:03] <unix_infidel> one is a script that generates an xorg.conf the other is a package manager that configures its own conf files.
[06:03] <snarkster> hi guys im trying to get frostwire to work but it keeps telling me that i need to update my java, so i installed jre 1.5 but it still says that I need to install jre 1.5.. do i need to make symlinks or somehting
[06:04] <flaccid> unix_infidel: whats the advantage with xorgconfig, why do we need it
[06:04] <unix_infidel> flaccid: it's one line in .bashrc
[06:04] <unix_infidel> the advantage is ensuring functional compatibility with previous practices.
[06:05] <snarkster> doesnt xorgconfig allow you to configure X???
[06:05] <unix_infidel> if xorgconfig was deprecated then it would be a different matter. I never saw a reason for REMOVAL of xorgconfig from xorg in the release notes.
[06:05] <unix_infidel> snarkster: yes, it's not included in the ubuntu xorg distribution iirc.
[06:05] <flaccid> i still dont see what it is going to do. previous practtices?
[06:06] <unix_infidel> sure, why not.
[06:06] <yao_ziyuan> i had a frustrating experience when i first installed 7.10
[06:06] <unix_infidel> yao_ziyuan: ditto.
[06:06] <unix_infidel> Linux installation and management is a frustrating ordeal.
[06:06] <yao_ziyuan> i accepted all upgrades as suggested by adept notifier
[06:06] <snarkster> Well I usually write my own org.conf files anyway
[06:06] <unix_infidel> but when it's functional it's a dream.
[06:06] <yao_ziyuan> then the system got broken
[06:07] <yao_ziyuan> lesson 101: never, never accept updates...
[06:07] <yao_ziyuan> *ever
[06:08] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: where did you learn that?
[06:08] <yao_ziyuan> flaccid: from failure
[06:08] <flaccid> do you know exactly what caused the problem, yao_ziyuan?
[06:09] <yao_ziyuan> the error is that libc6, and many things depending on it, such as adept-manager, ..., all got broken
[06:10] <yao_ziyuan> since then i can't update anything
[06:10] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: whats the error you get when you go to update something now?
[06:10] <yao_ziyuan> just download a fresh 7.10 into your vm machine and accept all upgrades and see
[06:10] <flaccid> i've already done that quite a few times recently without a problem actually on dif machines
[06:10] <yao_ziyuan> flaccid: something about the incompatibility of the updated libc6 and other core things
[06:11] <flaccid> show us the error, we'll loook the the solution/problem
[06:11] <yao_ziyuan> flaccid: have you tried it in VMware?
[06:11] <yao_ziyuan> i did it in VMware 5 in windows xp sp2
[06:12] <flaccid> i did one in vmware recently yes, not sure which version but it worked
[06:12] <yao_ziyuan> if i update anything in adept manager,
[06:13] <flaccid> but still, we don't know the specific problem, but the specific error will help..
[06:13] <yao_ziyuan> the file download would be fine,
[06:13] <yao_ziyuan> but when the downloaded packages are being installed,
[06:13] <yao_ziyuan> .
[06:14] <yao_ziyuan> i'm reluctant to risk again,
[06:14] <yao_ziyuan> but does vmware's "Snapshot" feature guarantee a good rollback?
[06:14] <flaccid> basically, when you get an error, you google it and search the wiki/forums and seek help here. its better than just giving up
[06:14] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: i don't know about vmware
[06:15] <yao_ziyuan> a snapshot is something like windows xp's system restoration point
[06:15] <Dr_willis> vmware does  a snapshot in a even more 'snappshotty way' I  guess ya can say
[06:16] <Dr_willis> it does a snap of ram/hd/other things..   i belive. restores to the instant it was taken
[06:18] <fildo> ok
[06:18] <fildo> ur right Dr_willis
[06:18] <K`zan> I think I have something hosed in this install, is there someway, short of reinstall, to check and rebuild?
[06:20] <Dr_willis> define 'hosed this install' :)
[06:21] <flaccid> get out the dryer and turn off the computer first
[06:21] <yao_ziyuan> i'm redoing it
[06:23] <Dr_willis> well night all.
[06:23] <yao_ziyuan> i'm in a freshly installed kbuntu 7.10
[06:23] <yao_ziyuan> first i hit Fetch Updates
[06:23] <yao_ziyuan> then there are two options enabled:
[06:23] <yao_ziyuan> Full Upgrade and Version Upgrade
[06:23] <yao_ziyuan> Version Upgrade will upgrade me to "7.10"
[06:23] <yao_ziyuan> so it makes no sense
[06:23] <yao_ziyuan> now i hit Full Upgrade
[06:24] <yao_ziyuan> and Apply Changes
[06:24] <flaccid> ah i think someone else had this, its a bug. you should do sudo apt-get update from konsole first or do it all from konsole.
[06:24] <yao_ziyuan> ?
[06:24] <yao_ziyuan> you mean Version Upgrade has a bug or Full Upgrade has a bug?
[06:25] <flaccid> im not sure of the exact details, but adept was doing similar behaviour to this and i don't think it mattered which option
[06:25] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: goto konsole and sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade after closing adept
[06:25] <yao_ziyuan> so you already know what the problem is and don't need my further reproducing the bug?
[06:25] <flaccid> once the upgrade is done, open adept_update again and see what is left
[06:26] <flaccid> (if any)
[06:26] <neville> Hey, is it possible to modify and add items to the system menu part of the task bar?
[06:26] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: i would still submit the bug on launchpad but if it cross-referencing an existing bug that is the same, just cancel the report
[06:26] <K`zan> flaccid: Will that correct something that is screwed up?!?
[06:27] <flaccid> neville: in kde menu editor . right click kmenu
[06:27] <flaccid> K`zan: it did with two other people in here
[06:27] <yao_ziyuan> flaccid: you mean you know why libc6 and many other things get broken after a full upgrade now?
[06:27] <K`zan> flaccid: OK, I'll give it a go and see if vmware will install and work after that.  Thanks VERY much!
[06:27] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: no i do not. im talking about the adept behaviour, and you have not given the actual error yet, so i can not look it up
[06:27] <yao_ziyuan> ok
[06:28] <fildo> lol
[06:28] <yao_ziyuan> i'll let it Full Upgrade and show you the error
[06:28] <flaccid> K`zan: sorry what were you talking about?
[06:28] <neville> Okay, thanks
[06:28] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: it might be a good idea to avoid the bug if it is a bug by doing it in konsole as suggested
[06:28] <K`zan> Oy:
[06:28] <K`zan> apt-get update
[06:28] <K`zan> erov: Archive directory /var/cache/apt/archives/partial is missing.
[06:28] <K`zan> Time to reinstall methinketh :-/.
[06:29] <K`zan> Ah, perhaps not.
[06:29] <yao_ziyuan> flaccid: so you're suggesting that going with konsole will be bug-free and you don't want to know the gui-style full upgrade problem any more?
[06:29] <flaccid> K`zan: do sudo mkdir -p /var/cache/apt/archives/partial
[06:30] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: your choice you can do both. if its vmare image i guess its not a production system
[06:30] <K`zan> flaccid: Did that without the -p, will it make a difference?
[06:30] <flaccid> K`zan: if the parent dirs are not existing yes
[06:30] <K`zan> Seems it wants to reload the kernel, should be interesting :-)
[06:31] <yao_ziyuan> flaccid: no i downloaded the official 7.10 iso file and installed it in vmware as a virtual machine
[06:31] <K`zan> parent did exist :-)!
[06:31] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: yes what im saying is that you can easily copy backup the image, production system maybe you don't want to break.
[06:31] <flaccid> sweet
[06:32] <yurimxpxman> are there any good pinball games for the tty?
[06:32] <flaccid> !find pinball
[06:32] <ubotu> Found: pinball, pinball-data, pinball-dev
[06:32] <yao_ziyuan> ok i'll cancel reproducing that Full Upgrade bug now
[06:32] <fildo> !ganes > yurimxpxman
[06:32] <fildo> !games > yurimxpxman
[06:32] <flaccid> not sure
[06:33] <yao_ziyuan> pinball? sounds interesting
[06:33] <mrdigital> im having trouble with nvidia
[06:33] <mrdigital> i installed the driver
[06:33] <mrdigital> now i get errors
[06:33] <flaccid> pastebin the errors please mrdigital
[06:34] <K`zan> OK, now to see if vmware will install and have the network function...
[06:34] <K`zan> Gonna reboot first... bbiab
[06:35] <mrdigital> flaccid: any ideas?
[06:35] <flaccid> [17:34] <flaccid> pastebin the errors please mrdigital
[06:35] <flaccid> can't read minds or your computer remotely sorry
[06:35] <fildo> lol
[06:35] <mrdigital> ok
[06:36] <mrdigital> which pastebin is allowed here
[06:36] <fildo> any :)
[06:36] <fildo> i would assume
[06:36] <se7en__> !pb
[06:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:38] <mrdigital> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50472/
[06:38] <flaccid> mrdigital: did you google the error?
[06:38] <K`zan> Guess something got hosed with the kernel since it wanted to re-install it on the upgrade.
[06:39] <flaccid> mrdigital: what does lspci | grep -i vga return?
[06:39] <stacey> how do i clear my logs ve run out of diskspace?
[06:40] <mrdigital> vga compatible controller nvidia corp unknown device 0421 rev a1
[06:40] <flaccid> stacey: you don't really do that, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=280701
[06:40] <flaccid> mrdigital: new 8800 or something?
[06:40] <mrdigital> 8500Gt
[06:40] <flaccid> oh not good :(
[06:40] <mrdigital> why not good?
[06:40] <flaccid> nvidia only got beta driver for it at this stage which has an overflow bug
[06:41] <mrdigital> lets try it out
[06:41] <mrdigital> how do i do it?
[06:41] <flaccid> have to use the vesa driver with no 3d accel until they release it
[06:41] <mrdigital> lets do beta
[06:41] <flaccid> !nvidia | mrdigital
[06:41] <ubotu> mrdigital: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:41] <flaccid> i might detail it on there, but its 3rd party and i've never actually done it myself
[06:41] <yao_ziyuan> what a rush! vmware was not responding but also wasn't frozen while restoring that snapshot... i thought it's dead... after reading some web pages... it woke up again
[06:41] <flaccid> i guess you get the driver from nvidia's website
[06:41] <flaccid> ok cool yao_ziyuan
[06:42] <mrdigital> how do i fix the xserver
[06:42] <flaccid> mrdigital: do sudo dpkg-reconfigure and select vesa
[06:42] <stacey> flaccid: why wouldnt i ive never read a log and they must be takng up some space unless they trim themselves?
[06:42] <flaccid> then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm to restart X/kdm
[06:43] <mrdigital> when i do that it says specift a package to reconfigure
[06:43] <flaccid> stacey: correct, thats what logrotate does
[06:43] <flaccid> sorry sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server
[06:43] <stacey> ahh and ths is done by default? or do i have to set it up?
[06:43] <mrdigital> flaccid: not installed
[06:45] <flaccid> brb
[06:47] <se7en__> mrdigital: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:47] <mrdigital> says not installed
[06:48] <mrdigital> xserver.org is not installed
[06:48] <ardchoille> mrdigital: "-" not "."
[06:48] <mrdigital> same thing
[06:48] <mrdigital> lol
[06:48] <mrdigital> not installe
[06:48] <mrdigital> d
[06:49] <ardchoille> mrdigital: What is the output of lsb_release -a | grep -i release
[06:49] <fildo> wtf?
[06:49] <mrdigital> no lsob modules are available release 7.04
[06:50] <mrdigital> lsb
[06:50] <fildo> haha
[06:50] <mrdigital> ??
[06:50] <yao_ziyuan> how do i hide a program's button on taskbar?
[06:50] <ardchoille> mrdigital: Then "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" should work for you, try it again making sure you made no typo's
[06:50] <yao_ziyuan> i don't want my VMware Toolbox's application button to show on taskbar
[06:51] <mrdigital> oops
[06:51] <ardchoille> !wtf | fildo
[06:51] <ubotu> fildo: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[06:52] <mrdigital> yay kde
[06:52] <K`zan> Looks like the vmware networking is still hosed, sigh.
[06:53] <K`zan> rebooting, bbiab
[06:54] <mrdigital> do i need nvidia-glx-new?
[06:54] <mrdigital> what else do i need?
[06:55] <ardchoille> mrdigital: You should look up your vid card and see which driver is recommended.
[06:56] <mrdigital> nvidia 8500gt
[06:56] <ardchoille> mrdigital: I don't see that card listed at all, so I am assuming the nvidia-glx-new driver
[06:59] <K`zan> Nope, sigh, vmware networking is flat not working and I am flat out of ideas :-(.
[06:59] <keekles> hi there, im using kubuntu, and for some reason it wont play my dvd movies
[06:59] <keekles> i install libdvdcss but its still not working
[06:59] <keekles> what else would i need?
[07:00] <ardchoille> keekles: What is the exact error? Use pastebin if it is more than three lines
[07:00] <ardchoille> !pastebin
[07:00] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:03] <keekles> ardchoille, http://nopaste.info/84c752f631.html
[07:03] <keekles> thats the output i get for vlc
[07:04] <ardchoille> keekles: I don't know much about vlc but lines 35 and 36 seem to have some info.
[07:05] <mrdigital> whre can i get the libc devel packages
[07:05] <ardchoille> Hopefully someone who knows vlc better than I do will be able tohelp
[07:05] <keekles> ardchoille, what player would you suggest i use
[07:06] <ardchoille> keekles: I use xine and mplayer.. and never had a problem between those, but this may be a problem with the dvd disk you have.
[07:06] <keekles> ardchoille, i see
[07:06] <unix_infidel> keekles: you're having problems playing a dvd?
[07:06] <keekles> unix_infidel, yeah
[07:06] <unix_infidel> vlc should work just fine.
[07:07] <ardchoille> unix_infidel: Here's his errors: http://nopaste.info/84c752f631.html
[07:07] <keekles> let me test another dvd
[07:07] <keekles> oh wait
[07:07] <keekles> yeah it was the dvd
[07:07] <snarkster> solved my java prblem by removeing gij
[07:07] <keekles> i just flipped it over to widescreen to test the otherside (dual layer) and it worked
[07:08] <snarkster> now frost wire is working
[07:08] <ardchoille> keekles: That's good to hear :)
[07:08] <keekles> ardchoille, unix_infidel : thanks for the help though
[07:08] <flaccid> sorry about the typo mrdigital i had a phone call, did you go alrgith?
[07:08] <ardchoille> keekles: yw
[07:09] <flaccid> i mean alright.
[07:09] <flaccid> mrdigital: as i advised they have not released the driver in production yet. there is only beta for your card.
[07:09] <mrdigital> this isnt beta1
[07:09] <mrdigital> dec 24th 2007
[07:09] <mrdigital> came out
[07:10] <flaccid> mrdigital: is it working?
[07:10] <flaccid> with your card i mean, because it hasn't for 3 other people
[07:11] <mrdigital> no
[07:11] <mrdigital> i get unknown nvidia
[07:11] <flaccid> yeah, so as i advised only the beta works or vesa.
[07:11] <mrdigital> no
[07:11] <mrdigital> i did nvidia-glx-new
[07:11] <flaccid> no?
[07:12] <mrdigital> this woked before!
[07:12] <flaccid> so it does work?
[07:12] <mrdigital> how can i install libc headers
[07:12] <flaccid> what is the change in variables from what you had before is it the exist same installation and package state and configuration
[07:12] <flaccid> exist=exact
[07:12] <mrdigital> njo
[07:12] <flaccid> no what?
[07:12] <mrdigital> from 7.10 to 7.04 clean wipeout
[07:13] <flaccid> wtf
[07:13] <flaccid> sorry what does that mean
[07:13] <mrdigital> idk
[07:13] <mrdigital> i downgraded?
[07:13] <flaccid> via apt?
[07:13] <mrdigital> wiped out the entire hdd
[07:13] <unix_infidel> format.
[07:13] <mrdigital> no from the installation CD
[07:13] <flaccid> so basically you are saying feisty install..
[07:13] <mrdigital> yes
[07:14] <flaccid> dif version of nvidia-glx-new between releases
[07:14] <fildo> indeed there are flaccid ;) i agree
[07:14] <flaccid> im checking
[07:15] <flaccid> yep quite dif kernel and driver version wise respectively
[07:15] <flaccid> so i guess that means it hasn't worked before
[07:16] <flaccid> downgrading is not going to help a card that needs a driver or is recent
[07:16] <mkquist> hey all...  Does gstreamer work in gibbon?
[07:16] <mrdigital> its dong the same exact thing before
[07:16] <flaccid> yeah i would expect it to. it won't work on feisty.
[07:17] <unix_infidel> are there any tools in the repos to decrypt a pdf?
[07:17] <mrdigital> how did i get it
[07:17] <flaccid> how did you get what?
[07:17] <mrdigital> when i booted 7.04 before it sayd the nvidia logo
[07:17] <unix_infidel> or bypass password protection.
[07:17] <mrdigital> isnt thst wjhat supposed ot happen?
[07:17] <mrdigital> i remember i had to do somrthing
[07:18] <flaccid> right so it did work, you probably have a the wrong packages installed or config
[07:19] <flaccid> mrdigital: pastebin dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia; lsb_release -a; uname -r; cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf; cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:19] <flaccid> mrdigital: plus dpkg -l | grep linux-resticted-
[07:19] <flaccid> this will see where the problem is at least
[07:20] <mrdigital> now i have
[07:20] <mrdigital> failed to initi nvidia kernel module
[07:20] <flaccid> yep sounds like you have the wrong kernel loaded or packages installed. the above commands will show the problem
[07:20] <Olde> what's the usual path for java in konqueror, or is there one?
[07:22] <adamonline45> Is there a flaccid in the house?
[07:23] <flaccid> yeah
[07:23] <fildo> fo sure
[07:23] <mrdigital> ok i cant pastebin any of this
[07:23] <mrdigital> so what do u wanna know
[07:23] <flaccid> mrdigital: why
[07:23] <fildo> when it comes to kubuntu problems his ur man
[07:23] <mrdigital> im not typing all this stuff into pastebin
[07:23] <flaccid> mrdigital: i want to analyse it
[07:23] <Olde> what's the usual path for java in konqueror, or is there one?
[07:23] <fildo> copy paste
[07:23] <flaccid> copy and paste
[07:23] <mrdigital> cant copy n paste
[07:24] <K`zan> Found the problem!
[07:24] <mkquist> anyone know if gstreamer has problems in gibbon?
[07:24] <K`zan> VMWare was binding to an unused ethernet card :).
[07:24] <flaccid> right if you don't want to go into X with vesa driver, then the ones to see are the dpkg commands and uname -r
[07:24] <mrdigital> ok
[07:24] <flaccid> the kernel version must match with all you see
[07:24] <mrdigital> Error: nvidia driver version mismatch to nvidia kernel module
[07:25] <flaccid> yes this is what we are checking
[07:25] <flaccid> the kernel mismatch
[07:25] <mrdigital> to see where it mismatched?
[07:25] <flaccid> yes the version mismatch i would assume
[07:25] <mrdigital> where do i see it?
[07:26] <snarkster> what is the name of proggy that will allow you to put any application in the systray?
[07:26] <flaccid> mrdigital: as advised: dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia; lsb_release -a; uname -r; dpkg -l | grep linux-resticted-
[07:26] <flaccid> !info alltray | snarkster
[07:26] <ubotu> snarkster: alltray: Dock any program into the system tray. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.69-1 (gutsy), package size 57 kB, installed size 224 kB
[07:27] <snarkster> thank you flaccid
[07:27] <flaccid> np
[07:27] <mrdigital> holdon
[07:27] <flaccid> you have understand that stuff but, thats kind of why i need to look
[07:28] <ardchoille> snarkster: there's ksystraycmd which you probably alreadyhave
[07:30] <mrdigital> !pastbin
[07:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pastbin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:30] <mrdigital> !pastebin
[07:30] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:31] <mrdigital> it is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50478
[07:31] <mrdigital> i see it
[07:32] <flaccid> mrdigital: sorry need uname -r
[07:32] <snarkster> !ksystraycmd
[07:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ksystraycmd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:32] <mrdigital> flaccid do u see it tho
[07:32] <mrdigital> i have 2 versions installed
[07:32] <snarkster> i have no idea what ksystraycmd
[07:32] <flaccid> yes which will not co-exist
[07:32] <flaccid> snarkster: alltray is easier
[07:33] <flaccid> mrdigital: but one is only runtime config that needs purge, so lets see kernel version
[07:33] <ardchoille> snarkster: ksystraycmd konqueror
[07:34] <flaccid> mrdigital: i also need dpkg -l | grep linux-restricted-
[07:34] <flaccid> i got a command nearly ready to try
[07:34] <mrdigital> lets try it
[07:35] <flaccid> its not ready until i can see those other two command outputs
[07:35] <mrdigital> how about i do a fresh install of kubuntu?
[07:35] <snarkster> how about you?
[07:35] <flaccid> why would you waste time when a solution could be around the corner
[07:35] <flaccid> you would be wasting my time as well
[07:35] <snarkster> :)
[07:35] <mrdigital> can i just try the command
[07:36] <flaccid> no, don't be lazy mrdigital
[07:36] <snarkster> will support for kde3 be dropped when kde4 comes out?
[07:37] <ardchoille> snarkster: Very doubtful that kde3 support would be dropped so soon
[07:37] <flaccid> mrdigital: sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx nvidia-flx-new nvidia-kernel-common; sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new nvidia-glx-common
[07:37] <mrdigital> flaccid
[07:37] <mrdigital> uname not known
[07:37] <flaccid> mrdigital: if your restricted module packages are wrong or kernel version don't expect it to work.
[07:37] <mrdigital> uname command not found
[07:37] <snarkster> ardchoille:  this is true.. just wondering
[07:37] <flaccid> mrdigital: weird. try /usr/bin uname -r
[07:37] <flaccid> mrdigital: sounds like you have stuffed up your path or something..
[07:38] <snarkster> hmm check his path
[07:38] <mrdigital> no such file or directoru
[07:38] <flaccid> are you serious
[07:38] <mrdigital> yes
[07:38] <flaccid> mrdigital: what does which uname return?
[07:38] <flaccid> !find uname
[07:38] <mrdigital> linux
[07:38] <ubotu> File uname found in bobot++, coreutils, epic4-help, inn, klibc-utils (and 3 others)
[07:39] <mrdigital> ./bin/uname
[07:39] <mrdigital> ok got it
[07:39] <flaccid> its just /bin/uname -r
[07:39] <flaccid> oops /usr/bin/uname -r
[07:40] <snarkster> my uname works without the need for the path :)
[07:40] <mrdigital> what was the last one
[07:40] <ardchoille> flaccid: "which uname" returns "/bin/uname" on my Gutsy system, fyi
[07:40] <mrdigital> nvidia-risrected?
[07:40] <flaccid> yeah thats how it should be as per $PATH
[07:40] <mrdigital> flaccid: i have /bin/uname
[07:41] <flaccid> oh yeah i do to
[07:41] <flaccid> blonde moment
[07:41] <snarkster> :)
[07:41] <ardchoille> hehe
[07:41] <se7en_> !virtualbox
[07:41] <ubotu> VirtualBox is an x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available in !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubunut.com/community/VirtualBox
[07:41] <flaccid> just nee to check the restricted-modules package(s) match the kernel version, it not you might need to reinstall them as well if the advised command does not (but i think it dos via deps)
[07:42] <adamonline45> Oh hi Flaccid, I missed your reply... You helped me get DHCP up on my xubuntu machine night before last... I have a problem where two of my machines keep resetting their IPs even though they're defined as static in /etc/network/interfaces...   Any ideas as to how to stop this?
[07:42] <se7en_> somebody know how to fix this
[07:42] <se7en_> VirtualBox kernel driver cannot be opened.
[07:42] <mrdigital> it is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/50479
[07:42] <flaccid> adamonline45: yeah as i advised before you don't run dhclient on the server. kill those processes and restart networking. if the /etc/network/intefaces is set to static it will use that and the dhclient wont' be sleeping anymore
[07:43] <flaccid> as in kill dhclient processes on the server then restart networking to get back to static ip
[07:43] <vinayak> i have a doubt
[07:43] <mrdigital> any ideas flaccid?
[07:43] <vinayak> divx doesnt work
[07:43] <vinayak> for me
[07:43]  * flaccid waits for it to load
[07:43] <vinayak> i have installed all the required codecs
[07:44] <snarkster> ok good night
[07:44] <sparr> gnome's nm-applet can connect to my work vpn just fine.  kvpnc says it connects (after i configured the connection in nm-applet), but really just kills my network connectivity.  help?
[07:44] <flaccid> mrdigital: i think thats ok, do the suggest big long command, make sure it doesn't error or i have a synax mistake then when the packages are reinstalled reboot after that and see
[07:44] <vinayak> am able to hear the sound
[07:44] <flaccid> make sure nvidia driver is still selected in xorg.conf as well
[07:44] <mrdigital> do the apt-get command?
[07:44] <vinayak> hey can anyone help with DIVX
[07:45] <flaccid> mrdigital: sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx nvidia-flx-new nvidia-kernel-common; sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new nvidia-glx-common
[07:45] <flaccid> !codecs | vinayak
[07:45] <ubotu> vinayak: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:45] <vinayak> at flaccid
[07:45] <vinayak> i have installed all the restricted codecs
[07:45] <adamonline45> flaccid: I don't see a dhclient process; and that's what I do is restart networking (I've done force-reload, too), and it keeps happening.. :(  I checked init.d for any kind of dhclient or dhcp load script, but didn't see any...
[07:45] <vinayak> am pretty decent at linux..
[07:45] <vinayak> but still i dont find video working
[07:46] <vinayak> it worked couple of days back but when i restart , it plays only sound and no video is up
[07:46] <vinayak> any ideas?
[07:46] <vinayak> this has happened couple of times
[07:46] <mrdigital> flaccid: it wont remove em
[07:46] <vinayak> suddenly it works
[07:46] <mrdigital> it says not installed
[07:46] <mrdigital> and why does it wann ainstall
[07:46] <mrdigital> when i did a remove?
[07:46] <vinayak> and after a reboot, it doesnt
[07:46] <adamonline45> flaccid: Er, wait, I did killall dhclient, and got no errors reported, so I guess it's killed... How do I stop it from loading?
[07:47] <flaccid> mrdigital: sudo dpkg --purge nvidia-glx; sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx-new nvidia-kernel-common; sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new nvidia-glx-common
[07:47] <adamonline45> flaccid: Er, after a reboot*
[07:47] <mrdigital> oh
[07:47] <mrdigital> lol
[07:47] <mrdigital> ur falt
[07:47] <flaccid> adamonline45: err if you have only set it in static in /etc/network/interfaces it won't load on boot. remember how you manually ran dhclient..
[07:48] <flaccid> mrdigital: well technically no but yeah
[07:48] <adamonline45> flaccid: Oh yeah, I do... Hmm, alright.  I'll see how this goes 8)
[07:48] <flaccid> adamonline45: remember the command dhclient is the dhcp client so it will change your network interface regardless of config
[07:48] <mrdigital> canot find package nvidia-glx-common
[07:49] <flaccid> let me check for feisty mrdigital
[07:49] <flaccid> oh my bad
[07:49] <flaccid> mrdigital: sudo dpkg --purge nvidia-glx; sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx-new nvidia-kernel-common; sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new nvidia-kernel-common
[07:49] <flaccid> its too hot here sorry
[07:50] <Arv3n> Hello!
[07:50] <flaccid> mrdigital: just do sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new nvidia-kernel-common if the others were removed
[07:50] <Arv3n> Can anyone help? I get this error when running ./buildset: No convert found in path.
[07:52] <adamonline45> flaccid: Alright.  Well, I'm almost certain I only started dhclient on one of the two; and a 'killall dhclient' on the second machine says no process was killed...  However, its IP 'renews' every day still...  Do you have any thoughts on that?  I'm sorry, I see you're busy; this just sucks tho 8) heheh...
[07:52] <Arv3n> Googling = no help.
[07:52] <mrdigital> flaccid: error installin
[07:52] <mrdigital> holdon'
[07:53] <Arv3n> Anybody?
[07:53] <mrdigital> ok i fixed it now what?
[07:53] <mrdigital> reboot
[07:54] <elf_> can someone please explain to these newbie what is the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu?  I have ubuntu studio and Iḿ using KDE, am I using kubuntu then?
[07:54] <flaccid> adamonline45: just keep in mind that people can have access to knetworkmanager and do user network as well. but if you have /etc/network/intefaces set to static and are NOT ever calling dhclient from command line because they are servers, it should not do it!
[07:55] <flaccid> elf_: they have a different desktop environment and default packages. ubuntu is gnome, kubuntu is kde
[07:55] <elf_> how do you change your nick???
[07:56] <elf_> !nickname
[07:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nickname - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:56] <Arv3n> ./nick
[07:56] <adamonline45> flaccid: Alright, I'll give it a reboot and see what happens... thank you, again :)
[07:56] <flaccid> /nick newnick
[07:56] <flaccid> adamonline45: np
[07:56] <elf_> did it work?
[07:56] <flaccid> ill bbs
[07:56] <Arv3n> fuck.
[07:56] <Arv3n> nobody knows this.
[07:56] <mixed> whoa
[07:56] <Arv3n> no wonder linux isnt getting anywhere.
[07:56] <Jucato> !language | Arv3n
[07:56] <ubotu> Arv3n: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[07:56] <Arv3n> sorry, im frustrated.
[07:56] <flaccid> Arv3n: did you google that error yet
[07:56] <Arv3n> all i want to do is install an icon theme.
[07:56] <Arv3n> i get: converting to islam
[07:57] <Arv3n> when i search google
[07:57] <Arv3n> it jsut says convert not found, THATS IT.
[07:57] <LimCore> lol
[07:57] <Jucato> Arv3n: what icon theme would that be?
[07:57] <Arv3n> leopard one.
[07:57] <Arv3n> off kde-look.org
[07:57] <Jucato> link please?
[07:57] <flaccid> hmm sorry not familiar with whatever buildset is, maybe someone is. i'll bbs cia0
[07:57] <Arv3n> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Leopard-Style?content=71732
[07:57] <mixed> flaccid, in that case I have 2 versions of ubunto on my machine then?  im using ubuntu studio with KDE
[07:58] <flaccid> mixed: i don't know what you are talking about sorry.
[07:58] <Jucato> pftt.. silly icon themes requiring scripts to install...
[07:58] <flaccid> Arv3n: do you have build-essential installed
[07:58] <Jucato> !find imagemagick
[07:58] <ubotu> Found: imagemagick, graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat
[07:58] <Arv3n> let me check.
[07:58] <Jucato> flaccid: no need for that
[07:58] <Jucato> Arv3n: install imagemagick
[07:58] <flaccid> sorry my bad
[07:58] <mixed> Arven, what are you trying to do???
[07:58] <flaccid> Jucato: whats buildset?
[07:58] <NickPresta> Arv3n, don't blame linux because a user contributed icon pack is difficult to install. :)
[07:58] <Jucato> (which should install convert)
[07:59] <Arv3n> NickPresta, I sure as hell can.
[07:59] <Jucato> flaccid: it's the icon theme's script to build the icon theme
[07:59] <Arv3n> Linux = community
[07:59] <Arv3n> Without the community, linux is nothing.
[07:59] <Jucato> Arv3n: 1 person != community
[07:59] <Arv3n> the person is in the community though.
[07:59] <mixed> LoL
[07:59] <flaccid> Jucato: how did you know it needs imagemagick?
[07:59] <Arv3n> and im sure hes not the only one doing it. :)
[07:59] <Jucato> flaccid: "convert" is from imagemagick
[07:59] <flaccid> Jucato: the binary?
[07:59] <Daisuke-Ido> yes, and serial killers are in public i'm sure, that doesn't make the entire human race evil.
[07:59] <Arv3n> it dosent matter.
[08:00] <NickPresta> Arv3n, without getting into it in detail, blaming GNU+Linux as a whole because someone didn't put time/effort into making a nice compatible icon pack is fairly ignorant and unfair. =)
[08:00] <flaccid> ah i see cool ok bbs
[08:00] <Arv3n> installing an icon theme should NEVER be thsi difficult.
[08:00] <Daisuke-Ido> your logic is flawed and your point of view is wrong.
[08:00] <adamonline45> oooh lordy...
[08:00] <Jucato> Arv3n: he's not using the conventional, standard, and established way of creating KDE icon themes. in short, he's a delinquint
[08:00] <adamonline45> Arv3n: Why don't you design your own then, and release all your hard work for free?
[08:00] <Arv3n> hm.
[08:00] <flaccid> yeah themes are poorly made, documented and not graceful to install they need to fix it
[08:00] <Jucato> Arv3n: it *is* easy to install an icon theme. *if* they are properly created by the author
[08:00] <Jucato> in this case, it's not properly created nor properly documented
[08:00] <flaccid> yeah they as in the author of the theme sorry
[08:00] <Arv3n> ic.
[08:01] <Jucato> so don't blame the community for one person's fault. don't blame Linux either
[08:01] <Arv3n> well, first of all it was wrong to blame linux, becasue thats the kernel.
[08:01] <Arv3n> but the community is sometimes horrib.
[08:01] <Arv3n> *horrible.
[08:01] <Arv3n> take the word "microshit" for instance.
[08:01] <Jucato> yes, the whole human race is horrible, following your logic
[08:01] <NickPresta> Arv3n, just like any community, it has it's rough patches. :)
[08:01] <Jucato> you shouldn't be in it :)
[08:01] <Arv3n> except 50% of the community uses words like microshit, microshaft, etc..
[08:02] <mixed> I have SuSE 10.3 in my machine and just finished installing ubuntu studio, is it possible to change GRUB so that it uses the one from SuSE(eye candy) instead of the one from ubuntu studio?
[08:02] <Arv3n> maybe im just looking at the wrong forums.
[08:02] <NickPresta> Arv3n, for one, very few people speak like that. The majority of the GNU+Linux community doesn't even discuss Microsoft, let alone put the time or effort into mocking it.
[08:02] <Jucato> and the other 50% of the community loves to make statistical summaries with no concrete data :)
[08:02] <Arv3n> NickPresta, thats not what im reading on ubuntuforums.org =)
[08:03] <mixed> !forums
[08:03] <ubotu> The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org. There is also a channel on IRC Freenode #ubuntuforums.
[08:03] <Arv3n> and.. no.
[08:03] <Arv3n> installing build-essentails didnt work.
[08:03] <Jucato> Arv3n: I did say you don't need that
[08:03] <Arv3n> my bad.
[08:03] <Jucato> and I did say to install imagemagick
[08:03] <Arv3n> what do i need, then?
[08:03] <noaXess> hi all. and happy new year..
[08:03] <Arv3n> ..o_O
[08:03] <NickPresta> Arv3n, how many of those people are newbies? Experienced users have come to learn that Microsoft can do what ever it is they do. We know we're better and we like ourselves more ;)
[08:03] <NickPresta> noaXess, hey
[08:04] <Arv3n> NickPrests, a good bit of the ubuntu community = not experienced users.
[08:04] <Jucato> ok veering offtopic, let's drop the subject before it gets heated
[08:04] <noaXess> !scanner
[08:04] <ubotu> Scanning software: XSane, the GIMP (GNOME), Kooka (KDE). For instructions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo and to see supported hardware: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsScanners - See also !OCR
[08:04] <NickPresta> Jucato, agreed
[08:04] <Jucato> that's a warning to all (including me)
[08:05] <kraut> moin
[08:05] <Arv3n> got it.
[08:05] <Arv3n> thanks.
[08:05] <Jucato> flaccid: oh, about how I said imagemagick installed convert? from memory I guess...
[08:05] <Jucato> reflex reaction the moment I saw "convert not found" :)
[08:07] <yao_ziyuan> is there a way to set a running application's handler not on the taskbar but on the tray area or just hidden?
[08:07] <mrdigital> should i use envy?
[08:07] <Daisuke-Ido> no.
[08:07] <Jucato> !envy | mrdigital
[08:07] <ubotu> mrdigital: envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[08:07] <Daisuke-Ido> !envy | mrdigital
[08:07] <yao_ziyuan> my VMware Toolbox always occupies some space on the Taskbar
[08:08] <yao_ziyuan> or maybe i can run it as a background service?
[08:09] <Jucato> yao_ziyuan: you can make it skip the taskbar (not shown on the taskbar). but not sure on the "put on the system tray" part
[08:09] <mrdigital> when kde loads am i supposed to see the nvidia logo/
[08:09] <yao_ziyuan> Jucato: how to skip?
[08:10] <Jucato> right-click on the window title (or press Alt+F3), then select Advanced -> Special Window Settings -> Preferences tab -> Skip taksbar
[08:10] <Jucato> mrdigital: *before* KDE (or the login manager) loads up
[08:10] <mrdigital> is that a good sign tho?
[08:10] <Jucato> yep
[08:10] <yao_ziyuan> wow man
[08:10] <mrdigital> ?
[08:10] <yao_ziyuan> linux is omnipotent...
[08:11] <flaccid> coolio Jucato, it not great that they chose an ambiguous binary filename like 'conver't
[08:12] <Jucato> flaccid: it's not the only binary filename imagemagick installs :)
[08:12] <Jucato> animate, compare, composite, conjure, convert, display, identify, import, mogrify, montage, stream
[08:12] <flaccid> oh all generic, thats a namespace hog!
[08:13] <Jucato> although imagemagick is probably too used to have others use conflicting binaries...
[08:14] <flaccid> i guess so yeah
[08:14] <Jucato> oh well )
[08:14] <Jucato> :)
[08:14]  * Jucato creates a program which installs a binary named "sh" :D
[08:16] <flaccid> lol
[08:17] <yao_ziyuan> Jucato: doesn't work...
[08:17] <yao_ziyuan> Jucato: the taskbar button isn't hidden
[08:17] <yao_ziyuan> Jucato: which value should i select?
[08:18] <Jucato> yao_ziyuan: check the [ ] Skip taskbar opition and select "Force"
[08:18] <yao_ziyuan> i tried
[08:18] <yao_ziyuan>  still there
[08:18] <Jucato> hm. weird...
[08:18] <yao_ziyuan> vmware-toolbox-old is a x program
[08:19] <Jucato> yeah, but it still uses KDE's window manager :)
[08:19] <Jucato> so it should follow. don't know why it won't. maybe restarting vmware-toolbox will make it work?
[08:20] <yao_ziyuan> i tried
[08:21] <yao_ziyuan> Jucato: i tried with another window, Konsole, also doesn't work
[08:21] <Jucato> really weird then...
[08:22] <yao_ziyuan> Jucato: maybe a system restart is needed?
[08:22] <Jucato> wait...
[08:23] <Jucato> hmm... maybe... just a KDE restart...
[08:23] <Jucato> oh wait
[08:23] <Jucato> haha stupid me
[08:23] <Jucato> yao_ziyuan: wait don't restart
[08:24] <Jucato> yao_ziyuan: once you enable Skip taskbar, and set it to Force, there's another checkbox beside the drop down list to the right
[08:24] <Jucato> you should enable/check that too
[08:24] <yao_ziyuan> ah...
[08:25] <yao_ziyuan> a second confirmation?
[08:25] <Jucato> yao_ziyuan: it should look like this: [  ] Skip taskbar  [ Force   v]   [  ]
[08:25] <Jucato> check both checkboxes
[08:27] <yao_ziyuan> ok, now i force skip taskbar and force minimize
[08:27] <yao_ziyuan> and i can't find the window now...
[08:27] <yao_ziyuan> how do i find it back...
[08:27] <Jucato> Alt+Tab?
[08:27] <yao_ziyuan> no use
[08:28] <Jucato> not sure if force minimize + skip taskbar was a wise move...
[08:29] <yao_ziyuan> haha
[08:29] <yao_ziyuan> maybe kwin has an argument
[08:29] <yao_ziyuan> maybe just close kwin
[08:29] <Jucato> K Menu -> System Settings -> look for Window-Specific Settings (can't recall where it is), then Modify the Window settings for ________
[08:30] <Jucato> I think window-specific settings is under Window Behavior or Desktop... not sure
[08:30] <yao_ziyuan> right
[08:30] <stacey> i was trying to free up space and emptied /root/ but now i have problems wth kdesudo, how do i fix this?
[08:30] <yao_ziyuan> it's in every window's titlbar menu
[08:31] <yao_ziyuan> allmighty linux...
[08:41] <mrdigital> ok im running on NV is that good?
[08:41] <yao_ziyuan> when i type "sudo apt-get install alien",
[08:42] <yao_ziyuan> Kubuntu requires me to insert the Kubuntu CD (in my case, it's really the ISO file applied in VMware)
[08:42] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[08:42] <yao_ziyuan> so it seems Kubuntu didn't install all things from the CD (ISO file) to my virtual machine
[08:42]  * ActionParsnip waves
[08:42] <yao_ziyuan> how do i install all the missing things?
[08:42] <neville> try removing the CD from your sources list, and enabling the others?
[08:43] <stdin> yao_ziyuan: you don't want all the missing things, just remove the cd line
[08:43] <yao_ziyuan> from adept-manager?
[08:43] <ActionParsnip> yao_ziyuan, what are you missing?
[08:43] <ardchoille> yao_ziyuan: open a terminal and run: sudo sed -i.backup 's/deb cdrom/#deb cdrom/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:43] <yao_ziyuan> i don't miss anything
[08:43] <ardchoille> yao_ziyuan: Then: sudp apt-get update
[08:43] <yao_ziyuan> just installing alien requires inserting the cd
[08:43] <ActionParsnip> lo ardchoille
[08:43] <stdin> *sudo
[08:44] <ActionParsnip> lo stdin
[08:44] <stdin> \o
[08:45] <ardchoille> hi ActionParsnip
[08:45] <ActionParsnip> is there any way i can make suggestions to the kubuntu project?
[08:46] <stdin> you can suggest all you want ;)
[08:46] <ardchoille> ActionParsnip: You can try asking in #kubuntu-devel
[08:46] <stdin> best to file a "wishlist" bug too
[08:46] <ardchoille> True
[08:46] <mrdigital> ok so im running nv now what?
[08:47] <ActionParsnip> stdin, where is this mystical wishlist?
[08:48] <stdin> ActionParsnip: it's just a normal bug, you just say it's a wish and someone with LP-foo will mart it as such
[08:49] <stdin> assign it against kubuntu-desktop if you want (and if it's kubuntu specific)
[08:55] <ActionParsnip> stdin, done. suggested option of usb installation at install time so users dont have to do all of this http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-5151.html
[08:56] <noaXess> does anybody has the same problem that if you run any application, it will be oppened twice?
[08:56] <ActionParsnip> stdin, would be sweet B)
[08:56] <noaXess> the second one will never come up and will close automaticaly after few seconds..
[08:56] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, how are you executing the application?
[08:56] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: over kde's quicklauncher
[08:57] <llutz> noaXess: by double-click?
[08:57] <noaXess> on bottom right of my mouse point will jumping the app icon this few secconds..
[08:57] <noaXess> llutz: now.. single click
[08:57]  * ActionParsnip thinks llutz is onto something
[08:57] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: yeah :)
[08:57] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, try running it from console :)
[08:58] <se7en> does anybody know what in the kubuntu install happens while the configuration apt (scanning the mirrow) because that takes at least 30 min more than the whole install
[08:58] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, put a & after thecommand too :)
[08:58] <llutz> i've seen so many guys doing even stranger things ...
[08:58] <yao_ziyuan> kde4 scheduled for january, and when is the next stable release of kubuntu?
[08:58] <ardchoille> yao_ziyuan: Sometime in April
[08:58] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: it's a solution but not for me now :)
[08:59] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, i just wanna know if that runs it twice too
[09:00] <yao_ziyuan> is it recommended to install kde4 rc2 packages on 7.10 now?
[09:00] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: aha.. no that runs not twice.. it's only if i run a app from quicklauncher or kmenu
[09:00] <tuxick> is kubuntu/kdm supposed to be able to handle ldap authentication or is it still unfinished like on debian?
[09:01] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, ok thats more info than we had earlier :)
[09:01] <yao_ziyuan> now that i'm backed up by vmware's snapshot feature,
[09:01] <yao_ziyuan> i can try anything radical now...
[09:01] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: jep
[09:01] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, try navigating the menu with your cursor keys and use enter to execute the app
[09:05] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: the same happens if i open the app with enter key..
[09:05] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, ok all good info
[09:05]  * ActionParsnip scratches his head
[09:07] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, does it happen if you open a file?
[09:10] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, go to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=369877 and try the bottom post to change your system to double click
[09:10] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, should make things friendlier
[09:11] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: if i create a desktop link and open this it will open only once..
[09:12] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, ok cool. Give the double click thing a whirl.
[09:13] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: the setting is on double click :)
[09:14] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, try single click then :)
[09:18] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: it happends the same.. on mouse setting = double click or single click
[09:18] <misslissa> what command to I execute to check the version of java
[09:18] <noaXess> other prob
[09:18] <pag> misslissa, java -version
[09:18] <noaXess> have installed a brother scanner driver.. it worked if i run kooka with sudo koka..
[09:19] <misslissa> thank you very much
[09:19] <misslissa> that was a simple enough command
[09:20] <noaXess> i think, cause kooka needs root acces to get the scanner device on usb..
[09:22] <se7en> !silky
[09:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about silky - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:23] <Jucato> misslissa: did you figure out what java version you're using?
[09:24] <Jucato> misslissa: if you are on Kubuntu Gutsy (7.10), I suggest you install the Kubuntu Restricted Extras package to be able to bring in (almost) all the multimedia codecs and plugins you need (MP3, Flash, and java)
[09:26] <noaXess> i'm in the scanner group but can't scan anithing as logged in user.. need to sudo kooka to scan anything.
[09:29] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, let me check
[09:31] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, Go to System--> Administration --> Users and Groups
[09:31] <ActionParsnip> Find your user name and edit properties so that you have access to scanners.
[09:31] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: as i write above.. i'm in the scanner group :)
[09:32] <noaXess> and have relogged in..
[09:32] <noaXess> in kde only.. need a make a restart?
[09:32] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, cant hurt
[09:32] <noaXess> ??
[09:33] <noaXess> okay...
[09:33] <noaXess> see ya..
[09:36] <jon45454> can anyone give me a hand with a sound problem on my laptop since a recent aptitude package upgrade?
[09:39] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: doenst work :( can't access my scanner with normal user.. i thin i read the sane instruction on permissions.. have anything found on their webpage..
[09:39] <noaXess> or run kooka with kdesu..
[09:40] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, are you a member of the disk group?
[09:43] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: no
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, join it
[09:44] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: only logout from kde should work, or not?
[09:44] <posingaspopular> hi i have a problem turning kubuntu off
[09:44] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, yeah log off and on
[09:44] <posingaspopular> can't seem to ever leave my computer
[09:44] <ActionParsnip> posingaspopular, what happens when you leave it?
[09:44] <noaXess> oke.. until later :)
[09:44] <Jucato> he faints :)
[09:44] <posingaspopular> ActionParsnip: the world explodes ;p
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> posingaspopular, hehe
[09:45] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: won't work :(
[09:46]  * Jucato remotely turns off posingaspopular's machine
[09:46] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: ok.. i run it with sudo kooka.. then it work
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, does it run ok with normal user access?
[09:47] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: no it won't it can't see the scanner if i run kooka ore xsane with normal user right.. i need to run it with sudo.. think the permission to the usb device is the problem
[09:48] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, ive googled this some and it seems to be fairly commn place :(
[09:57]  * flaccid drinks xxxx
[09:57] <poison_> morning guys
[09:58] <flaccid> evening
[09:58] <flaccid> i must be in the future or something
[09:59] <posingaspopular> haha. /me lol'ed
[10:00] <flaccid> 88 miles per hour!
[10:01] <fildo> flux copassitor
[10:01] <flaccid> lol
[10:01] <flaccid> capacitor :p
[10:01] <flaccid> oh thats the french model sorry
[10:02] <fildo> thats the way u spell it
[10:02] <fildo> :)
[10:04] <noaXess> !find scanimage
[10:04] <ubotu> File scanimage found in sane, sane-utils
[10:11] <flaccid> i should get g'd up on the next ubuntu, whats it called again skanky or something?
[10:12] <flaccid> !ubuntu+1
[10:12] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[10:12] <flaccid> hardy heroin?
[10:12] <noaXess> !mouse
[10:12] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[10:13] <stdin> flaccid: why?
[10:13] <fildo> !skanky
[10:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about skanky - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:13] <stdin> don't abuse the bot
[10:13] <flaccid> stdin: not too far away i guess, see what they are going to do in that
[10:16] <tuxick> i ran dpkg-reconfigure ldap-auth-config and now the system won't boot anymore :)
[10:16] <flaccid> ouch
[10:17] <tuxick> hangs on starting kernel logger
[10:17] <flaccid> do you get tty access at all?
[10:17]  * tuxick never trusted debconf
[10:17] <tuxick> well, if i try alt-f2 i get a prompt but it's not responding
[10:17] <tuxick> i can type username and nothing happens
[10:18] <llutz> tuxick: boot with "init=/bin/sh" and try to repair
[10:18] <tuxick> llutz: that's what i'm doing now
[10:18] <flaccid> or single user mode
[10:18] <tuxick> but no idea what to repair
[10:18] <flaccid> yeah me neither
[10:19] <flaccid> i want indy indigo lol
[10:19] <ActionParsnip> hi all
[10:19] <tuxick> i remember adding ldap auth to debian, that's when i learned debconf needs some serious work
[10:20] <flaccid> i rarely use debconf i guess
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> tuxick, http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/HOWTO:_Configure_Ubuntu_for_Active_Directory_Authentication
[10:22] <flaccid> assuming thats the goal with ldap, ActionParsnip
[10:23]  * ActionParsnip is tired
[10:23] <flaccid> i wish i was tired
[10:23] <ActionParsnip> flaccid, why?
[10:23] <flaccid> so i could sleep
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> flaccid, booze helps :)
[10:24] <noaXess> can i see the "Print to file (PDF)" printer only in kde apps?
[10:24] <flaccid> thats what im doing and i have sleeping pills too just no green dang!
[10:24] <flaccid> noaXess: iirc yes thats right
[10:25] <noaXess> flaccid: and how to enable pdf writing for other apps? like mozilla firefox/thunderbird?
[10:25] <flaccid> noaXess: they need to support it. firefox and thunderbird are gtk/gnome apps
[10:26] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, you can create a pdf printer :)
[10:26] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=140815
[10:26] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: or use cups-pdf :)
[10:26] <noaXess> have found it now
[10:27] <Jucato> I think you can have firefox/thunderbird use an external printer program, and set it to use "kprinter"
[10:27] <flaccid> thats pretty cool i must say
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> flaccid, try doing loads of physical exercise
[10:27] <flaccid> ActionParsnip: yep did that before. walked to the bottleshop :p
[10:27] <ActionParsnip> flaccid, and mentally challenging stuff
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> flaccid, like really exert your entire body so it needs to rest
[10:28] <flaccid> i need aunty val really
[10:28] <flaccid> yeah it doesn't rest the mind thats all
[10:28] <flaccid> bbs
[10:30] <noaXess> !cups-pdf
[10:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cups-pdf - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:30] <ActionParsnip> !cupspdf
[10:30] <ubotu> Details on setting up "Print to PDF" are at http://ubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/03/23/print-to-pdf-using-cups-pdf/
[10:54] <tuxick> bleh, still hangs on "starting kernel log daemon"
[10:54] <tuxick> a bit odd
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> tuxick, what does?
[10:59] <tuxick> ActionParsnip: booting
[10:59] <tuxick> login is also broken
[10:59] <tuxick> simply times out
[11:00] <ActionParsnip> tuxick, you tried disabling acpi?
[11:00] <flaccid> hmm interesting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/RestrictedManagerRewrite
[11:00] <tuxick> ActionParsnip: it blew up after running dpkg-reconfigure :)
[11:00] <flaccid> tuxick: well X may not be starting, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:00] <tuxick> nono, it doesn't even get that far
[11:01] <flaccid> unless you get locked out of tty
[11:01] <flaccid> ah well, you need a sysadmin to be in front of the system, its a bit hard to help with that kind of problem unless some expert/guru is available ?
[11:02] <ActionParsnip> tuxick, try editing your grub.conf to disable acpi (or do you not get the bootloader?)
[11:02] <tuxick> ActionParsnip: but how can adding ldap support make acpi fall apart?
[11:03] <tuxick> i'll give it a shot but really don't think that's the problem
[11:03] <tuxick> nsswitch is 'files ldap' so there goes that suspicion
[11:03] <ActionParsnip> tuxick, not sure. you could boot to command line and uninstall ldap stuff
[11:04] <tuxick> somehow i bet debconf is far from capable :)
[11:04] <tuxick> but my next suspicion is /etc/pam.d/common* indeed
[11:05] <flaccid> tuxick: your problem could be no dns in the nsswitch for resolution external..
[11:05] <flaccid> thats a long shot but i guess
[11:05] <tuxick> for starting kernel logging?
[11:06] <yao_ziyuan> kde is as pretty and as fragile as glass...
[11:06] <yao_ziyuan> the featured screenshot of kde4 is... a scattered window meaning the program crashed...
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> yao_ziyuan, thats a window effect
[11:08] <Dragonath> is there a way to mount a remote folder so you don't have to edit files on it in vim but can use kate or something instead?
[11:09] <jussi01> Dragonath: use the tool in remote places
[11:09] <Dragonath> ok
[11:09] <Dragonath> thanks
[11:09] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: URL please
[11:09] <flaccid> Dragonath: you can use kate without mounting it
[11:10] <yao_ziyuan> flaccid: i saw it from kbuntu's "kde4 rc2" news
[11:12] <flaccid> yao_ziyuan: whats the URL for teh screenshot, there is none on that page
[11:14] <yao_ziyuan> i'm wrong
[11:14] <yao_ziyuan> i started with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4
[11:15] <flaccid> thought so
[11:15] <yao_ziyuan> flaccid: http://www.google.com/images?q=KDE+4&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS217US217
[11:16] <yao_ziyuan> flaccid: you can see a broken window result on this page
[11:16] <flaccid> i mean considering its not production yet, it doesn't matter what it does
[11:16] <flaccid> thanks
[11:16] <flaccid> lol which image
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> http://fbsd.za.net/other/uploads/uploads/kde4.jpg
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> looks pretty cool though
[11:17] <yao_ziyuan> http://vladoboss.spiki.be/mg2/pictures/xegldappcrash5nb0mr.jpg
[11:17] <yao_ziyuan> the same picture
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> well if my apps crash i'm glad they look nice :D
[11:18] <flaccid> ah yeah. im not sure if there is a point to any of this but ok
[11:19] <ActionParsnip> its a laugh
[11:19] <flaccid> oh
[11:20] <flaccid> well i never laugh at beta software, its expected to have bugs in it heh
[11:20] <tuxick> if i'd laugh at buggy software i'd be laughing 12 hours a day
[11:20] <ActionParsnip> i do when it does weird stuff
[11:20] <tuxick> if not more
[11:22] <flaccid> yeah id be laughing all day because of this chan on the bugs..
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> beta is funny sometimes.  The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:27] <tuxick> uhm, i've been using linux for 10 years or so, i know ifconfig :)
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> tuxick, so what devices do you have listed?
[11:27] <tuxick> lo
[11:27] <flaccid> implementation is different with networkmanager etc.
[11:28] <flaccid> in interfaces usually only localhost is listed..
[11:28] <tuxick> but that's logical if kde takes care of rest
[11:28] <flaccid>  yeah
[11:33] <tuxick> anyway, brought up eth0 but the nss/ldap stuff not working just yet
[11:33] <tuxick> i think the /etc/pam.d.common* files are too conservative
[11:34] <tuxick> or simply broken ;p
[11:35] <flaccid> ldap is probably out of scope of a lot of helpers
[11:35] <ActionParsnip> i have a mate who would say "i know exactly whats wrong. its knackered"
[11:36] <flaccid> generalisations don't help anyone unfortunately, it would be good if they did some magi
[11:36] <flaccid> c
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> SHAZAM!
[11:36] <flaccid> i prefer wam bam, thankyou mam
[11:37] <flaccid> now stop me drinking before i get way too off-topic
[11:37] <Tm_T> flaccid: nah, I just remove you
[11:38] <flaccid> remove me from what sorry, reality ?
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> flaccid, into the matrix
[11:38] <Tm_T> aye
[11:38] <flaccid> ah shaboom!
[11:39] <tuxick> flaccid: it's almost as nonexisting on debian as well
[11:39] <fildo> shee what happens when u code tomuch
[11:39] <fildo> u end up flaccid
[11:39] <tuxick> only RH and suse seem to bother
[11:39] <fildo> code moonkey!
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> !coffee
[11:39] <ubotu> coffee is a caffeinated beverage made by filtering water through ground up roasted beans of the coffee plant. Flavouring to taste such as milk or cream, sugar or sweetener are often added afterwards. Not to be confused with !java
[11:39] <fildo> lol
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> hmmm
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> !beer
[11:40] <fildo> !burbon
[11:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about beer - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about burbon - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> !bourbon
[11:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bourbon - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> !anything
[11:40] <ubotu> So, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone.
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> ok
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> i'll stop now
[11:40] <flaccid> haha
[11:43] <fildo> lol
[11:43] <jussi01> !botabuse
[11:43] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> !happiness
[11:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about happiness - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:44] <jussi01> ActionParsnip: thats enough ;)
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> k
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> :)
[11:45] <posingaspopular> 19 days to kde4
[11:46] <fildo> awesome
[11:46] <MaTiAz> yeah, awesome
[11:46] <Lynoure> I'd do coundown to 4.1 if I knew a date for it :)
[11:46] <fildo> lol
[11:47] <posingaspopular> thats a bit... far reaching don't you think Lynoure
[11:47] <ActionParsnip> is there a desktop app for countdowns?
[11:47] <Lynoure> posingaspopular: no... as kde4 probably only becomes nice around then.
[11:47]  * jussi01 points to #kubuntu-offtopic ...
[11:48] <ActionParsnip> is that for me jussi01?
[11:48] <posingaspopular> for everyone i think
[11:49] <ActionParsnip> theres a countdown for superkaramba
[11:50] <tuxick> hm, thinks got stranger
[11:50] <tuxick> when booting 'rescue' mode /etc/init.d/klogd start works just fine
[12:01] <tuxick> ok, nsswitch is part of the problem
[12:02] <flaccid> tuxick: yes it does not help if you removed dns from the list!
[12:02] <tuxick> flaccid: i didn't even consider that :)
[12:03] <tuxick> i changed the passwd, group and shadow lines back to compat and now system starts up fine
[12:03] <tuxick> which doesn't make sense
[12:03] <tuxick> "files ldap" should work just fine
[12:03] <tuxick> even with a broken ldap
[12:04] <noaXess> is it possible to set ARK to compress default as ZIP?
[12:04] <noaXess> if i use the function in konquerror or dolphin to compress a folder
[12:05] <posingaspopular> i dont think so noaXess
[12:05] <flaccid> tuxick: ah so user problem, being you :)
[12:06] <tuxick> flaccid: how so?
[12:06] <flaccid> you removed dns from nsswitch ?
[12:06] <tuxick> no i didn't
[12:06] <noaXess> how to change the defalt file manager from dolphin to konqueror?
[12:07] <tuxick> i had auth-client-config update nsswitch and /etc/pam.d
[12:07] <tuxick> can't blame me for this half broken stuff
[12:07] <flaccid> tuxick: [22:03] <tuxick> nsswitch is 'files ldap' so there goes that suspicion
[12:07] <flaccid> i don't see dns in there
[12:07] <tuxick> 'dns' is not in password, group and shadow lines
[12:07] <tuxick> never
[12:08] <flaccid> debconf changed nsswitch ?
[12:08] <tuxick> no, debconf is too stupid
[12:08] <tuxick> auth-client-config did this
[12:08] <flaccid> im talking about hosts in nsswitch
[12:08] <flaccid> eg i use: hosts:          files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
[12:08] <tuxick> that wasn't changed, and it isn't the problem
[12:08] <flaccid> what is the problem then
[12:09] <tuxick> the password, shadow and group lines
[12:09] <tuxick> "files dns" is what SHOULD work
[12:09] <flaccid> that should be set to compat
[12:09] <tuxick> sorry
[12:09] <tuxick> "files ldap"
[12:09] <flaccid> ah you're the sysadmin heh
[12:10] <tuxick> auth-client-config is quite clear about this
[12:10] <tuxick> it's also what i did on systems before
[12:10] <tuxick> in another 5 years debian and derivates will catch up
[12:11] <flaccid> if you say so tuxick
[12:12] <tuxick> well i hope so
[12:16] <tuxick> tbh i didn't expect the ldap support to be this bad
[12:17] <flaccid> we havnt pinpointed the actual problem yet, you are just assuming
[12:17] <tuxick> no
[12:17] <flaccid> have you got a proof of concept
[12:17] <tuxick> "files ldap" doesn't work
[12:17] <tuxick> "compat" does
[12:17] <flaccid> which concludes what
[12:17] <tuxick> this shows auth-client-config is wrong
[12:18] <flaccid> and you can prove that debonf does this?
[12:18] <tuxick> debconf is far from capable
[12:18] <flaccid> plus because "files ldap" doesn't work, doesn't mean its wrong, something else could be the problem..
[12:18] <tuxick> debconf only configured /etc/ldap.conf
[12:18] <flaccid> thats just a generalisation
[12:18] <flaccid> thats good yeah
[12:18] <flaccid> so it didn't touch nsswitch.conf at all then..
[12:18] <tuxick> "files ldap" means it should first check files and then ldap
[12:19] <tuxick> that's the whole problem indeed
[12:19] <tuxick> debconf couldn't even configure pam
[12:19] <flaccid> you contradict yourself in this respect
[12:19] <flaccid> well you need to know what debonf is meant to configure in this respect to begin with
[12:19] <flaccid> !bugs | tuxick
[12:19] <ubotu> tuxick: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[12:20] <flaccid> submit a bug then and save the community 5 years
[12:20] <tuxick> i ran into this on debian already, had a look at the debconf stuff and decided i don't have time to fix all that
[12:20] <tuxick> debconf in general needs fixing
[12:21] <tuxick> it's a thin wrapper expecting maintainers to write 'a script'
[12:21] <Lynoure> Sounds good.
[12:22] <tuxick> yeah, most maintainers copy an existing one and do some search/replace
[12:23] <tuxick> ok, "compat ldap" also breaks starting klogd
[12:23] <flaccid> tuxick: if you are so confident on that, submit a bug to fix it
[12:23] <tuxick> flaccid: it means rewriting debconf system
[12:23] <tuxick> not just a pam-ldap
[12:23] <Lynoure> tuxick: feel free to do that, then submit the new one.
[12:24] <flaccid> tuxick: if you say so
[12:24] <dognews> hi
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> hi dog
[12:29] <tuxick> Lynoure: this would be quite a task, since it would mean being backward compat as well
[12:29] <flaccid> um i don't see the actual problem here
[12:29] <flaccid> or POC
[12:29] <flaccid> ah well
[12:29] <tuxick> POC?
[12:30] <flaccid> proof of concept
[12:30] <tuxick> ooh
[12:30] <tuxick> thought maybe someone already did something ;p
[12:30] <tuxick> it means providing a proper system for updating config files
[12:31] <tuxick> like cfengine
[12:31] <flaccid> another generalisation
[12:31] <flaccid> you need to specifically say the problem and what the solution is, not 'replace it with something else' to fix 'something'
[12:32] <dario> kubuntu italia?
[12:32] <Jucato> !it | dario
[12:32] <ubotu> dario: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:33] <tuxick> well the problem here is that no debain based systems i've seen are able to provide working ldap authentication out of the box
[12:33] <dognews> I'm trying to get a siemens wireless lan usb-stick working on a newly setup kubuntu 7.10 machine, but it doesn't work properly, as he cannot connect to my wireless network. When I try to connect to my access point - which knetwork manager offers to me - he correctly asks me for my WEP key (yeah, I know, it's not safe at all, but I have no other choice at the moment) but then during ip-configuration, it suddenly stops and asks for my pw again
[12:33] <dognews> the thing is, that with my old machine, the same stick did work without any problems
[12:35] <dognews> I was thinking about some packages missing, as when I installed the new machine, I didn't have any netowrk devices in the computer - then after installing, I added a network card and now try to get my stick working. So I speculate that kubuntu just didn't install all the wireless stuff
[12:36] <dognews> any suggestions for solving this problem?
[12:36] <flaccid> tuxick: yeah big scope for ldap which is not something a script can do, but i agree that debonf and debian really lack in this respect
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> dognews, what do you get from lsmod | grep usb
[12:38] <sebastian^> good morning folks and happy new year for the<PHONE_NUMBER>98nd time :)
[12:38] <Lynoure> tuxick: Which distros provide working ldap authentication out of the box
[12:38] <Lynoure> ?
[12:38] <tuxick> redhat
[12:38] <tuxick> and suse, i think
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> yeah id say redhat too
[12:39] <tuxick> i've made it work on debian and slackware as well
[12:39] <tuxick> password: files ldap is really supposed to work
[12:39] <tuxick> passwd: sorry
[12:41] <flaccid> tuxick: hmm maybe you should try some ldap support because i dont think anyone here can help you on ldap
[12:42] <Lynoure> He does not sound like he wanted help... just change.
[12:43] <tuxick> flaccid: yeah, it looks like there hasn't been done much work on it on *ubuntu so far
[12:43] <tuxick> i'll figure it out, taking notes as i go anyway
[12:45] <dognews> ActionParsnip: usbhid 29536 0 \n hid 28928 1 usbhid \n usbcore 138632 4 usbhid,zd1211rw,uhci_hcd
[12:46] <ActionParsnip> dognews, ok so its detected the zd1211rw :)
[12:47] <ActionParsnip> dognews, do you have the firmware for the zd1211rw?