[01:59] <ryanakca> phew, finished creating the accounts on egroupware, now I just need to create the maildirs, set the passwords, and mail out the account info
[02:01] <mhb> ryanakca: nice work
[02:18] <ryanakca> mhb: I can see your appointment / meeting :)
[02:19] <mhb> ryanakca: great
[03:04] <ryanakca> mhb: still awake?
[03:06] <mhb> ryanakca: barely
[03:08] <ryanakca> If so, and you want to test kontact, fire it up, click on Contacts, Add..., XML-RPC, and then configure it as following https://groupware.kubuntu.co.uk/~ryan/kontact.png (substitude ryanakca with 'mhb')
[03:08] <ryanakca> same for calendar
[03:11] <mhb> ryanakca: nice!
[03:12] <mhb> ryanakca: if I edit the contacts, will the edits get merged with the egroupware server?
[03:12] <ryanakca> yep
[03:13] <ryanakca> you just have to hit the sync button when you're done (see the swirly blue icon)
[03:13] <mhb> ryanakca: it would be nice to have a LP-confirmed email address first, then the eGroupware email
[03:13] <ryanakca> Yeah
[03:17] <mhb> ryanakca: I can't find the sync button, though
[03:18] <ryanakca> mhb: under edit
[03:18] <ryanakca> there's a card, to the right a blue circle, and to the right of the circle a pencil on paper?
[03:20] <mhb> ryanakca: I must be stupid, do you have a screenshot?
[03:20] <ryanakca> sure
[03:21] <ryanakca> https://groupware.kubuntu.co.uk/~ryan/kontact1.png
[03:21] <ryanakca> That's in calendar
[03:21] <ryanakca> but it's at theh same place under contacts, just a sec
[03:22] <ryanakca> refresh kontact1.png
[03:23] <mhb> ryanakca: no such icon there
[03:23] <ryanakca> really? wierd.
[03:23] <ryanakca> Have a screenie?
[03:23] <mhb> ryanakca: could it be that I don't have enough rights to edit the contacts?
[03:23] <ryanakca> hmm. dunno, give me a screenie... should work.
[03:25] <mhb> ryanakca: http://image.bayimg.com/dagagaabe.jpg
[03:26] <ryanakca> Ok. Wierd.
[03:26] <ryanakca> Herm.
[03:26] <ryanakca> Can you edit contacts threw the web interface?
[03:26] <mhb> ryanakca: nope
[03:26] <mhb> ryanakca: which made me think
[03:27] <mhb> I don't have enough rights
[03:30] <ryanakca> hmm. I'll look into it.
[03:30] <ryanakca> Herm.
[03:31] <ryanakca> I guess it's to prevent someone from editing system wide contacts
[03:31] <mhb> ryanakca: okay, I'll look into sleeping in the meantime.
[03:31] <ryanakca> see yah
[03:31] <ryanakca> night ;)
[03:34] <ryanakca> freeflying: Hey
[03:34] <freeflying> ryanakca: hi
[03:34] <ryanakca> umm, are you willing to help me test the egroupware server?
[03:35] <freeflying> ryanakca: what can I do for you?
[03:37] <ryanakca> ok, just a sec, I'll create your account
[04:36] <nixternal> survived today's storm...whicked storm, lots of damage, but everyone is OK
[04:42] <Vaelen> So what is the egroupware server?
[05:31] <ryanakca> Vaelen: it's a way to figure out meeting times and set a global todo list for kubuntu members... with the added bonus of imap email
[05:32] <Vaelen> Is it web based, or does it integrate with Kontact?
[05:32] <ryanakca> both
[05:32] <ryanakca> bug 133857
[05:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133857 in kdepim "In gutsy, kontact now crashes on startup (SIGSEGV)" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133857
[05:32] <ryanakca> freeflying: see manchicken's workaround ^^
[05:33] <freeflying> ryanakca: ok
[05:34] <Vaelen> So how does one go about getting involved with kubuntu or kde development in general?
[05:39] <ryanakca> well, for Kubuntu, you can start out packaging, or writing documentation... or triaging bugs... I started out with translations.
[05:39] <ryanakca> Vaelen: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HelpingKubuntu
[05:40] <ryanakca> you could also answer questions on #ubuntu or #kubuntu
[05:40] <ryanakca> Vaelen: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate if you want to participate in Ubuntu as well
[05:41] <Vaelen> ryanakca: Thanks! I'll see what I can help out with.
[05:41] <Vaelen> I'm running kubuntu-devel right now.
[05:42] <Vaelen> And I'm especially looking forward to KDE4.
[05:45] <Vaelen> ryanakca: What language did you work on translations for?
[05:49] <ryanakca> Vaelen: french
[05:50] <Vaelen> Ah, cool.  I'm a linguistics student, and I managed a translation project at IBM for a year or two, so I find that all very interesting.
[05:50] <Vaelen> But I don't speak any other languages well enough to translate anything into them.
[05:50] <ryanakca> cool :D
[10:17] <ryanakca>  wicked thunderstorm out, I'm unplugging this, and going back to bed :)
[10:29] <danimo> Riddell: just installing the debug packages doesn't yield a useful backtrace at all :(
[10:32] <Riddell> danimo: how about poingint LD_LIBRARY_PATH at wherever they install to?
[10:33] <danimo> Riddell: you said it should just work :)
[10:33] <danimo> Riddell: there is even a special binary, which I however cannot launch
[10:34] <danimo> Riddell: will look into it
[10:34] <danimo> tnx
[01:32] <vprints> does the new kubuntu restricted manager get the translation strings from th restricted-manager package or some other package
[02:03] <Riddell> vprints: you'd have to ask mhb, but it should do
[02:08] <vprints> Ridell, thanks.
[03:03] <manchicken> Man, adept has a lot of critics, but very few people willing to actually work on adept or something better.  That sort of thing just gets really old.
[03:07] <\sh> manchicken, adept is a monster
[03:07] <manchicken> \sh: I don't think it's anywhere near as bad as folks say.
[03:08] <ScottK> manchicken: I think it's pretty decent in general, I just find it slow and so don't bother.
[03:08] <manchicken> I think it brings a lot of functionality to the table.
[03:08] <ScottK> Agreed.
[03:09] <\sh> manchicken, it's big, takes too long to load, and is written by a RedHat ,-)
[03:09] <manchicken> Either way, if people don't want adept anymore, I'm willing to work with something else.  I'm just getting bored with the rather consistent criticism from folks who won't do anything to help.
[03:09] <\sh> manchicken, no serious...the "takes too long to load" is right...and it has too much of functionality (IMHO)
[03:09] <manchicken> \sh: And I'm willing to look at something else :)
[03:10] <\sh> manchicken, idea was (even during montreals ubuntu meeting) to write something like update-manager for gtk and qt (just like ubiquity, a working backend, and two frontends)
[03:10] <manchicken> \sh: But I'm not willing to listen to the same criticism over and over again with no ideas on how to fix the problem.... especially on kubuntu-users.
[03:10] <manchicken> \sh: I think that's a good idea.
[03:11] <manchicken> \sh: Common code among the buntus makes sense to me.
[03:11] <\sh> manchicken, regarding a chat with mvo during UBZ it is not difficult...reading the update-manager code from mvo it's a mess right now, and needs some refactoring
[03:11] <manchicken> \sh: And I'd even be willing to help hack something like that.
[03:11] <\sh> python-apt is not difficult to learn....
[03:12] <\sh> let's see if my wife is giving me time of from private life
[03:12] <manchicken> I don't mind picking up python to help out with this.
[03:13] <manchicken> Especially since I've got my new System76 in the truck speeding its way towards me as we speak.
[03:13] <manchicken> :)
[03:13] <\sh> manchicken, python-qt is simple...if you know c++ qt libs you know pyqt/pykde syntax
[03:13] <manchicken> Naw, I don't know python itself.
[03:13] <manchicken> Shouldn't be hard though.
[03:13] <manchicken> Ruby was simple, I've been hacking Perl forever, and I picked C++ back up in a weekend.
[03:13] <manchicken> Python should be a cake-walk.
[03:13] <\sh> hehe...riddell didn't know python in former times as well, and he hacked ubiquity ,-)
[03:13] <Hobbsee> bah, you people suck.
[03:14] <manchicken> Proof positive that one language is as good as another.
[03:14] <manchicken> Except Java.
[03:14] <Hobbsee> then again, it probably doesnt help that i'm still doing the first language.
[03:14] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Nonsense, you'd make an excellent hacker!
[03:14] <manchicken> Hobbsee: It just takes a lot of boring sittin and figuring stuff out at first.  Very frustrating.
[03:14] <Hobbsee> manchicken: yeah, true.
[03:15] <manchicken> I remember when I first learned to hack.    I don't even really believe formal education will do me any good.
[03:16] <\sh> now replace "idiot" with "computer" and you developed your first program ,-)
[03:16] <manchicken> I don't do the "sit down, shut up, and pay attention" thing very well.
[03:16] <Hobbsee> manchicken: well, true.
[03:16] <manchicken> \sh: Nice
[03:16] <Hobbsee> of course, it'd probably help if i got off irc
[03:17] <manchicken> Hobbsee: IRC does take up a lot of time.
[03:17] <manchicken> We need to make catapult more like the free software windows program "launchy"
[03:18] <manchicken> katapult does not handle multiple matches well.
[03:18] <manchicken> launchy has a much better way of handling those situations.
[03:18] <\sh> Hobbsee, the best way to start with programming: http://www.amazon.com/Algorithmen-Datenstrukturen-Pascal-Version-Niklaus/dp/3519222507/ref=sr_1_2/002-2454269-0499254?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187961487&sr=8-2
[03:18] <manchicken> heh
[03:19] <\sh> lets see if there is an english translation
[03:19] <manchicken> We don't all speak your strange european languages.  That's just unamerican.
[03:19] <manchicken> heh
[03:20] <\sh> ah here it is
[03:20] <\sh> http://www.amazon.com/Algorithms-Data-Structures-Niklaus-Wirth/dp/0130220051/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-2454269-0499254?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187961565&sr=1-1
[03:21] <\sh> That's a standard for IT students (well not today anymore, today you just need visual basic or visual java and you code like a god ,-=>
[03:23] <\sh> ok...time to go home :)
[03:37] <Riddell> Hobbsee: did you kick BlueVette?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: removed.  couldnt tell if he was also trolling
[03:38] <Riddell> I didn't see anything trollish from BlueVette
[03:38] <Hobbsee> oh, hmm, seems legit.
[03:38] <Hobbsee> [23:26]  <BlueVette> tristan_ is pretty freaking sweet.
[03:39] <Hobbsee> couldnt tell if that was an accomplice
[03:39] <Riddell> I'd have assumed that was just sarcasm
[03:39] <Hobbsee> unsure
[03:39] <Hobbsee> hmm, seems i cant invite them back, they've left the network
[03:40] <Riddell> "If there was one thing you wish you had known before getting started in Summer of Code, what would it be?" tricky one
[03:40] <Tonio_> hi there
[03:40] <Tonio_> allee: ping ?
[03:41] <Tonio_> Riddell, Hobbsee: bonjour ;)
[03:41] <Hobbsee> bonjour Tonio_
[03:43] <allee> Tonio_: hi!
[03:43] <Tonio_> allee: hey ;)
[03:43] <allee> Tonio_: with switched on BT.  kbt is showing up in systray :(
[03:43] <Riddell> isn't that good?
[03:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: well on kubuntu previous version, the icon was hidden, but I cannot do that now due to a bug in the systray hidding functionnality
[03:44] <allee> Tonio: IHMO yes. ;)
[03:44] <Tonio_> allee: well imho the icon should appear when a bluetooth key is present
[03:45] <allee> Tonio_: I would prefer to see BT in systray when the bt device is on/available
[03:45] <Tonio_> allee: and it should hide otherwise
[03:45] <Tonio_> allee: exactly
[03:45] <Tonio_> allee: but what about hotplug key detection ? does this work or not ?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: kdebluetooth is still broken, btw
[03:46] <allee> Tonio_: I've tried: switch on Mighty mouse with 'invisible' kbt in systray.  Nothing happened
[03:46] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: for updates ?
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yes
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: see the bugs about it
[03:47] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hum, should be fixed now
[03:47] <allee> Hobbsee: I could pair to my BT isdn device (after command sudo ciptool search).  I've got a PIN dialog and then I was paired
[03:47] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: last upload didn't reach the repos yet
[03:47] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: should be fixed now
[03:48] <allee> ah, Hobbsee talked about pkg not 'functionality' ;)
[03:48] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ubuntu2 was the broken one
[03:48] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I have it installed here, what is broken ? I don't understand
[03:48] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: lemme look
[03:48] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: doesnt upgrade.  check launchpad
[03:49] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: k
[03:49] <allee> Tonio_: reason why I would like to see kbt, when bt is turned on/plugin in is that  system settings module has 'zero' functionality compared to systray icon
[03:50] <allee> Tonio_: after you tried the bt system setting.  The systray icon shows up.  But that a more than confusing feature ;)
[03:51] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hum, libkbluetooth0 should conflict/replaces the old version of kdebluetooth, and therefore avoid that problem, so I don't understand
[03:51] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: version 0ubuntu2 at least
[03:52] <allee> Tonio_: hciconfig | grep .    in try_exec should fix session startup, but I've no idea (yet) how to start kdebluetooth when bt device is turned on/plug in :(
[03:52] <ryanakca> hmm. Konqueror seems to be deadly slow... odd.
[03:53] <Tonio_> allee: same for me
[03:53] <Tonio_> allee: isn't that easier to just make kbluetooth autostart and only showing the icon when a device is inserted ?
[03:53] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: any idea concerning the dist-upgrade problem ?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: havent tried, tbh
[03:54] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I don't understand how can that bug with the 0ubuntu2 version
[03:54] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: bug report are before I uploaded the new version
[03:54] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: right, but they do seem to refer to the newer version
[03:54] <Hobbsee> i didnt get that problem, it seems
[03:55] <allee> Tonio_: looks like --dontforceshow  != --showonlyadeviceisavailable
[03:55] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: sure, but they refer to upload 0ubuntu1, latest did reach the repos tomorrow evening only
[03:56] <Tonio_> allee: sure, but as long as there are functions in the code to hide/show the icon and to detect if a device is available, I suspect that showing the icon dynamically shouldn't be that hard for a kde dev :)
[03:56] <Tonio_> allee: wold be interesting to ping _Stefans_ on that point as he seemed interested on working on kbt :)
[03:56] <Tonio_> w/wold/would
[03:57] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: oh, i must have misread them
[04:00] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: no pb, good thing you remind me to check that point :)
[04:01] <allee> Tonio_: I've asked on #kdebluetooth about 'why not change --dontforceshow'
[04:02] <allee> Tonio_: I'll ping him.  But will be mostly offline this weekend
[04:02] <Tonio_> allee: I'll try to ping him too :)
[04:03] <allee> Tonio_: just for your information.  I've tried to pair the Apple mighty mouse via the hid dialog -> error
[04:03] <Tonio_> allee: btw there is a bug in the iconn hidding thingy, did you saw that ?
[04:03] <Tonio_> first : hidding doesn't hide, you have to stop and restart the app
[04:03] <allee> Tonio_: this worked before (asked for pin 0000) then as paired
[04:03] <Tonio_> allee: and then only the icon is hidden, but the space is still used in the tray
[04:03] <Tonio_> not the way adept does for example
[04:04] <allee> Tonio_: this allocated space but no icon seem to be fixed now
[04:04] <Tonio_> allee: hum, interesting, I didn't notice any regression on that point
[04:04] <Tonio_> allee: hu ?
[04:04] <Tonio_> fixed ? lemme check
[04:04] <Tonio_> allee: nope still fails here
[04:04] <Tonio_> allee: up to date svn snapshot
[04:05] <Tonio_> I can right click o nthe hidden icon
[04:05] <allee> Tonio_:  mhmm, lemme retry
[04:05] <Tonio_> allee: k
[04:10] <Riddell> hmm, should I give mhb $2000?
[04:10] <Hobbsee> no
[04:10] <Hobbsee> give it to me instead!
[04:10] <allee> #$$% after log in the icon show up (if paired or not)
[04:11] <Riddell> google don't seem to offer an option for "give it to hobbsee instead"
[04:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: google is out of date, then.
[04:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: your employer has my bank details.  use them :P
[04:17] <manchicken> How does one get firefox to use konq for the file manager/
[04:17] <ryanakca> hmm. What would be the priority of strigi crashing at every login? Medium?
[04:17] <Riddell> pretty high
[04:18] <ryanakca> high...
[04:18] <ryanakca> bug 134299
[04:18] <ubotu> Bug 134299 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/134299 is private
[04:18] <Riddell> although an upstream issue, nothing we can deal with
[04:20] <allee> Tonio_: bt starts to annoy me.  Now suddenly systray bt icon always shows up, even for a fresh created user and not like before.  On the other hand: cool that's what I wanted ;)
[04:20] <Riddell> dunno, you'd have to look
[04:22] <Riddell> no
[04:22] <Riddell> oh, it's sourceforge http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=171000&atid=856302
[04:23] <nixternal> mornin' ladies and gents
[04:24] <ryanakca> high nixternal
[04:24] <ryanakca> hi
[04:24] <ryanakca> hehe
[04:24] <nixternal> in gutsy, has anyone else had issues when doing an apt-get upgrade? ie. it hangs on installing a package?
[04:24] <nixternal> I only notice it when there are quite a few package updates
[04:25] <nixternal> like right now, it hung up on the ttf-dejavu-extra package
[04:25] <ryanakca> nixternal: hehe, we got a wicked thunderstorm last night, I wonder if it's the same one you had earlier yesterday
[04:25] <ScottK> nixternal: The only problem I've had is I had to remove kdebluetooth.
[04:25] <ScottK> With tribe 5 just out the repos may be a bit hammered.
[04:25] <nixternal> it is constantly hangin' on me
[04:25] <nixternal> well it has been happening on and off for a couple of weeks now
[04:26] <ryanakca> nixternal: it hangs at '(Reading database ...'?
[04:27] <Tonio_> allee: hehe ;) well better pinging stefans to make a point I guess
[04:39] <Vaelen> I apologize for coming back to an earlier thread and all, but I just got here. :)
[04:40] <Vaelen> What sort of interface would this new KDE based apt wrapper have? (I mean, what are you looking for it to do, etc.)
[04:40] <ScottK> nixternal: Do you apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade?
[04:43] <kwwii> lol, we received 1900+ wallpaper submissions for the kde4 contest :-)
[04:44] <nixternal> upgrade
[04:45] <nixternal> it actually does it either way
[04:45] <nixternal> kwwii: do you have a link to the wallpaper submissions yet?
[04:45] <nixternal> I have been waiting to check them out
[04:45] <nixternal> let me know if there are any cool beach wallpapers
[04:45] <kwwii> nixternal: nope, we are not going to make them public...only the winners
[04:45] <kwwii> oh, there are quite a few nice beach pics
[04:45] <ryanakca> shucks
[04:45] <nixternal> ahh, that stinks
[04:45] <nixternal> damn kwwii!! I want to see :D
[04:46] <kwwii> ;-)
[04:46] <kwwii> maybe after the contest is over or such
[04:46] <nixternal> they need to all be uploaded to kde-look
[04:46] <ryanakca> haha, that would take forever... unless they all go into a .tar.gz
[04:47] <nixternal> I have only found a handful of great beach pics that will scale correctly at 1200x800
[04:47] <kwwii> hehe, there are something like 1.4 GB in files
[04:48] <nixternal> jeesh
[04:49] <nixternal> I am a little upset with my java instructor this semester. she is a games development instructor at the uni, and our main project will be to create a game
[04:49] <Riddell> that sounds fun
[04:49] <nixternal> really?
[04:49] <ryanakca> make a MUD :)
[04:49] <Riddell> kwwii: wow, really?
[04:49] <nixternal> dude, I know absolutely nothing about games
[04:50] <Vaelen> It seems like most universities don't teach any useful Java, like junit or j2ee.  It's the same here at UT.
[04:50] <kwwii> Riddell: yepp, it took me like 4 hours to sort through them to pic my 30 favorites
[04:50] <ryanakca> hehe
[04:50] <nixternal> Vaelen: same here
[04:51] <nixternal> I used digiKam recently to sort through a ton of wallpapers I downloaded to see which ones I liked and which ones I didn't..it was nice, I could tag the ones I liked and then filter ont he tag
[04:51] <ryanakca> cool
[04:52] <nixternal> this guy at school which I got him to almost switch 100% to Kubuntu, he uses the "we are gears" wallpaper that comes with KDE, but he uses a cool color scheme with it, and it looks really cool..never thought that was possible
[04:53] <nixternal> I will tell him to do that if I remember during the next class
[04:54] <nixternal> he uses some off the wall colors for the gradient..I mean colors that would normally make you feel ill to your stomach, but it makes that wallpaper stand out nicely
[04:55] <nixternal> argh, this annoying network issue is happening again..I thought it stopped
[04:56] <nixternal> Vaelen: whatever you do, don't try to turn them on with an Intel vid card...
[04:56] <Vaelen> Yeah, too late. *laugh*
[04:56] <nixternal> lol
[04:56] <nixternal> I did it this week at the LUG meeting, and it was painful to get back
[04:56] <Vaelen> I even played with the settings and tried some stuff out.  It took /forever/.
[04:56] <nixternal> forever is an understatement
[04:57] <Vaelen> My next laptop will have an nvidia graphics card.
[04:58] <Vaelen> Unfortunately, I need to have a laptop and not a desktop because I work from home and sometimes I need to work from school as well.
[05:21] <allee> Tonio_: uhm, bad.  When I switch off BT and login: kblueooth display an dialog that's no adapter available and quits.  After switch on BT kblueooth gets not started :(
[05:30] <allee> Tonio_: Please add  TryExec=hciconfig | grep -q .   to the autostart file.  At least this may we get no anoying 'no bt adapter found' on login for system without bt
[05:40] <allee> Tonio_: I was too fast.  Now kbt does not autostart anymore at all :(  (works fine when started from cmdline).  Confusing
[05:43] <Riddell> manchicken: about?
[05:47] <ryanakca>  5607 ryan      15   0  178m  88m 9760 S 93.6 20.2  86:57.66 kded
[05:47] <ryanakca> 93.6 CPU :D
[05:52] <ryanakca> Ummm... Has anyone else had their sound card randomly 'disappear' ?
[05:52] <ryanakca> Seems to be a common bug on launchpad... since yesterday (linux-generic-2.6.22-10)
[06:03] <Riddell> nixternal: I've uploaded qdbusbridge
[06:03] <Riddell> nixternal: any plans to package qdasher?
[06:03] <Riddell> nixternal: oh and fancy adding kvkbd to be run as part of the session for the appropriate accessibility profile in k-d-s?
[06:05] <manchicken> Riddell: Sorry, what?
[06:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can do that if you want :)
[06:09] <Riddell> Tonio_: please
[06:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki, I'm not there toonight, that'll be done tomorrow
[06:09] <Riddell> manchicken: did you get any backtraces from your kontact crashes?
[06:11] <manchicken> Not anything useful.
[06:11] <Riddell> manchicken: did you file any bug reports?
[06:11] <manchicken> Yeah.
[06:11] <manchicken> 133857
[06:16] <allee> Tonio_: eh, TryExec never did what I wanted by  the standard :(
[06:18] <allee> Tonio_: This works:   In the autostart.desktop file.  Change  Exec=hciconfig | grep -q . && kdeblueooth || echo no BT device found
[06:18] <allee> No I get no annoying BT device not found warning when autostarted without BT and kblueooth is running when I have a BT device
[06:19] <allee> s/No/Now
[06:22] <allee> Tonio_: fwiw here's the script suse uses instead of 'my' solution:  [17:26]  <dgollub> http://pastebin.ca/669265.   dgollub gave it on #kdeblueooth, but I'm no fan of it
[06:32] <allee> Tonio_: fwiw, some more infos from suse about start on plug:
[06:32] <allee> [18:26]  <dgollub> in openSUSE we let the mediamanager call someting called "suseplugger" if the hal reports an event which is not a storage...
[06:32] <allee> [18:26]  <dgollub> then the suseplugger is going to call kbluetooth if the device is something about bluetooth_hci
[06:34] <jjesse> nixternal survining chicago after the storm?
[07:26] <jjesse> afternoon :)
[07:33] <milian> is there a workaround for the flash hickup yet?
[07:33] <milian> (that is: konqueror freezing because of nspluginviewer)
[07:37] <Riddell> no :(
[07:37] <Riddell> except revert to old glib/pango/cairo/gtk
[07:46] <milian> too bad, thank you riddell
[09:23] <mhb> ScottK: you are a nice guy, no need to fear me :o)
[09:24] <mhb> Riddell: that comment sounded like you are disappointed, so I hope it is not that so
[09:24] <ScottK> mhb: New restricted-manager-kde does NOT crash for me.
[09:26] <mhb> ScottK: yay! Thank pitti, we worked together on that bug even though he should care about totally different things by now
[09:26] <ScottK> I've still got the kernel module thing, but you can't fix that.
[09:27] <mhb> ScottK: I wrote what I know to the relevant bug, and I am sure it will be fixed soon
[09:27] <ScottK> Right.
[09:27] <ScottK> I recall IRC discussion about it somewhere.
[09:27] <mhb> good night everyone
[09:28] <mhb> I have to go offline now
[09:28] <ScottK> Good night.
[09:28] <mhb> ScottK: thanks!
[09:28] <mhb> Riddell: and I really hope you are not disappointed much :o)
[09:39] <nixternal> jjesse: ya, we survived...never lost power, but we lost a gazebo, a set of french doors, 2 windows, and our pool hut
[09:40] <nixternal> our weather station that is in our neighborhood recorded an 81mph gust and sustained winds of 64mph for 7 minutes
[09:40] <nixternal> pretty insane and scary
[09:40] <jjesse> wow that is insane and scary
[09:40] <nixternal> like a tsunami :)
[09:40] <nixternal> we are supposed to get more today
[09:40] <jjesse> or a hurricane
[09:40] <jjesse> its raining here
[09:40] <nixternal> ya, I have been through a hurricane in the military, not a big one, but still yesterday was scarrier I think
[09:41] <nixternal> chicago messed up and didn't sound their sirens...our at least blared for 5 minutes prior to the storm hitting
[09:42] <jjesse> in south west mi they sounded the sirens a long time before the storm got here
[09:42] <nixternal> ya, we were talking to my family who lives in berrien county and told them all hell is coming their way
[09:43] <nixternal> but they didn't get it as hard
[09:44] <nixternal> we never lost power either yesterday, which was amazing
[09:44] <nixternal> power is out all around, but the community we live in, did not lose it
[09:44] <jjesse> i heard like 300k were out of power
[09:44] <ryanakca> hehe, scary
[09:45] <nixternal> ya, they have fixed almost half of it now
[09:45] <nixternal> the town over, all of the fences are gone, roofs are torn up, siding all over, trees all over, and stupid drivers trying to beat others through a stop section w/o traffic lights
[09:46] <nixternal> I was driving big foot today because I had to go over to my sisters, swim into her house and help pull stuff out
[09:46] <jjesse> wow
[09:47] <nixternal> ya, she lives in Des Plaines, and the water is up to about, just under 3' of their ceiling
[09:47] <nixternal> you know it is bad when there are catfish swimming in your house :)
[09:48] <ryanakca> haha
[09:48] <jjesse> wow that is crazy, you sure she doesn't live in new orleans
[09:49] <nixternal> we went to sears and was going to buy a john boat to help us, and the manager told us as long as we don't damage it, we can bring it back to him..he will let us borrow it...which was pretty cool
[09:49] <nixternal> her subdivision reminded me of new orleans
[09:49] <nixternal> we live way up on a hill, so flooding has never hit us here...she lives in between a river and a creek which flood yearly
[09:50] <ryanakca> hmm. how far away from Chicago are you?
[09:50] <nixternal> 20 minutes depending on traffic
[09:50] <nixternal> or an hour by train :)
[09:50] <jjesse> ryanakca: aren't you from around chicago area or something like that?
[09:50] <ryanakca> jjesse: nah, Kingston Ontario
[09:51] <jjesse> no idea why i thought that
[09:51] <ryanakca> I could get to chicago by boat though...
[09:51] <nixternal> ya, that would be a long boat ride through the st. lawrence seaway
[09:51] <jjesse> would you have to go through the st lawrence to get ther efrom ontario?
[09:51] <ryanakca> well, I'm right on lake ontario...
[09:51] <ryanakca> nope
[09:51] <jjesse> that's what i thought
[09:52] <nixternal> OK, you can go from lake to lake, and then through mackinac (spelling)
[09:52] <ryanakca> jjesse: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&hs=LNK&q=chicago+tornado&um=1&sa=N&tab=wl
[09:54] <ryanakca> jjesse: if you zoom in close enough, there's a canal near detroit, and then one from algonac to sarnia joining lake erie to lake huron
[09:57] <nixternal> haha, they have the dude who hacked the iPhone on Fox News
[09:57] <jjesse> thats funny
[09:57] <jjesse> i saw  on usa today or something like that
[09:57] <nixternal> they were calling him a hacker in the bad sense and he snapped at them
[09:57] <nixternal> he is/was selling hacked iPhone for $2,000 each
[09:58] <nixternal> jeesh, he made some cash
[09:58] <jjesse> so whats going on w/ endgaget reporting ti only took 5 minutes to do and the report on  usa today says 2 hours
[10:00] <nixternal> I didn't even follow the hack, so I have no clue
[10:04] <jjesse> hmm time to head home for thee weekend
[10:14] <nixternal> thanks for the warning
[10:15] <ryanakca> haha
[11:46] <DaSkreech> Good job on tribe 5 :)


[18:06] <JoseeAntonioR> pleia2: hey, do you think the learning materials may be ready for late march? my teacher said they can teach Ubuntu at my school if they get the materials
[18:07] <pleia2> JoseeAntonioR: we haven't even gotten the first trial class done :(
[18:07] <pleia2> so I doubt it
[18:07] <pleia2> hopefully will have the first demo one done by early feburary though
[18:08] <JoseeAntonioR> ok, let me know so I can start working on that too :)
[18:08] <JoseeAntonioR> I'll see if I can present it this year so they'll teach it next year
[18:08] <pleia2> yep, we'll announce it on list when it's ready :)


[00:45] <bkerensa> jcastro: You seen this: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dex0VXK2RrA/TvHTcuOLSyI/AAAAAAAAA3k/T47A1vkX_VA/jwCampaign.png
[00:45] <bkerensa> we should remix it :P
[04:43] <nigelb> ejat: ping. See PM.
[05:24] <ejat> !pong nigelb
[05:24] <ubot2> Factoid 'pong nigelb' not found
[07:31] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:34] <dholbach> hey jono, hey czajkowski
[07:34] <jono> hey dholbach
[07:42] <bkerensa> hello jono, hi czajkowski
[07:42]  * czajkowski waggles her finger at jono
[07:44] <jono> hey czajkowski :-)
[07:44] <jono> hey bkerensa
[08:57] <jono> dholbach, I created info about adding accomplishments btw at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Creating
[08:57] <dholbach> nice
[08:57] <jono> I still need to go through and double-check all the installation instructions work fine
[08:57] <jono> checking now
[08:57] <jono> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments
[08:58] <dholbach> I have a bunch on my TODO for today - I hope to get to contributing a few small things
[08:58] <bkerensa> jono: What are these accomplishments? Is this like Foursquare Badges meets Ubuntu? :)
[08:58] <dholbach> bkerensa, yes
[08:58] <bkerensa> Huh
[08:58] <jono> bkerensa, http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/01/29/more-ubuntu-accomplishments-hacking/
[08:58] <bkerensa> But the badges are only seen by the user or are they tracked on some website?
[08:58] <jono> bkerensa, they are on your system
[08:59] <jono> and they will synced across U1 machines
[08:59] <jono> I am still putting it all together but I have the core of it working
[08:59] <bkerensa> Interesting stuff
[09:00] <jono> yeah it is pretty awesome :-)
[09:01] <bkerensa> dholbach: I'm in the kubuntu chan so when you ping later I will just review scrollback and tag team as needed... Now I think my bed summons
[09:01] <bkerensa> Good Night!
[09:01]  * dholbach takes the dog for a walk
[09:01] <dholbach> thanks a bunch bkerensa
[09:04] <jono> ok, bed for me
[09:04] <jono> night all!
[09:08] <nigelb> [6~[6~74
[09:08] <nigelb> ugh
[12:46] <dholbach> dpm, mhall119, balloons, jcastro: where did we decide we'd put tasks for UGJ participants to work on?
[12:46] <dholbach> is it the UGJ wiki page?
[12:46] <dholbach> if so I'll add something to it
[12:46] <dholbach> and invite developers to add some stuff for contributors who feel comfortable working on it
[12:47] <dpm> dholbach, yeah, the front page in the wiki
[12:47] <dholbach> ok
[12:50] <dholbach> dpm, how does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam look for a start?
[12:50] <mhall119> dholbach: jono wanted it on loco.u.c/globaljam
[12:50] <mhall119> which is what I've been working on
[12:51] <mhall119> but that only editable by loco-council and ltp admins
[12:51] <czajkowski> mhall119: are all global events going to go on the ltp ?
[12:51] <dholbach> mhall119, ok until then I'll ask everyone to update the wiki and we make sure we get the content on the LTP as soon as it's all up and running - sounds good?
[12:51] <mhall119> czajkowski: since the jams are specifically in-person events, it makes sense for them to be on LTP
[12:51] <dholbach> unless you prefer everyone to mail the LC / LTP admins?
[12:52] <mhall119> dholbach: building it on the wiki is a good idea, I think
[12:52] <dholbach> ok cool
[12:52] <mhall119> czajkowski: but I don't think all global community events will make sense to have on LTP
[12:53] <czajkowski> mhall119: well thats what I was kinda wondering why some content will go on there and not all, and whos call it is ?
[13:00] <mhall119> czajkowski: we already have global jams on LTP
[13:00] <czajkowski> yup but not the info, as just wonder why
[13:00] <czajkowski> no biggie
[13:01] <mhall119> you mean the list of stuff that dholbach was asking about?
[15:17] <s-fox> Hello.
[15:19] <bkerensa> hi dholbach :D
[15:19] <dholbach> hey bkerensa :)
[15:20] <bkerensa> This morning is glorious
[15:20] <bkerensa> :D
[15:31] <mhall119> bkerensa: nice
[15:43] <bkerensa> dholbach: They are quite silent :)
[15:43] <dholbach> they probably first have to find their way into it - it was a hard question to start with
[16:00]  * balloons has spent all morning wondering what LTP might mean.. LTP = loco team portal :-) Yay for being awake!
[16:01] <jono> dholbach, jcastro, dpm, balloons, mhall119 all set for our hangout?
[16:01] <jcastro> o/
[16:01] <mhall119> yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup
[16:01] <mhall119> dang keyboard :(
[16:01] <dpm> all set here
[16:01] <dholbach> yep
[16:03] <balloons> argh this needs to get on my calendar.. i knew it was this mornig
[16:03] <bkerensa> =o
[16:10] <jono> balloons, are you with us?
[16:10] <balloons> incoming
[16:10] <balloons> laptop didn't like trying to do video and audio.. bang crash :-) moved to desktop
[16:19] <bkerensa> heh
[16:19] <bkerensa> jono: When you going to get G+ Hangout Live? :)
[16:21] <jono> bkerensa, no idea
[17:02] <cprofitt> dholbach: great work on the wiki page
[17:02] <cprofitt> I will begin pushing that out in NA tonight
[17:05] <dholbach> bkerensa, ok, call is over - I'll start writing a few bits about the interview
[17:05] <dholbach> but probably not finish today, but tomorrow my morning
[17:06] <bkerensa> dholbach: Ok then... I'm likely going to go nap... I didn't intend to be up so early :)
[17:07] <dholbach> :)
[17:07]  * dholbach hugs bkerensa
[17:12] <balloons> jcastro, dpm, mhall119, dholbach, jono can someone send me the invite for the 11 am meeting?
[17:12]  * balloons REALLY enjoyed spamming everyone's pc with a notification
[17:13] <jono> balloons, you should have an invite
[17:13] <dpm> jono, just a sec, switching to ethernet and reconnecting
[17:14] <jono> dpm, np
[17:14] <balloons> jono, thanks :-)
[17:15] <jono> :-)
[17:48] <dholbach> I call it a day - see you all tomorrow! :)
[17:53]  * balloons waves
[21:30] <bkerensa> sad =/ while doing a interview of a new contributor their response to one question was "I still do not know how to get involved with Ubuntu but I am a maintainer with Debian"
[21:30] <bkerensa> hmm I will have to send him some links
[21:30] <bkerensa> :D
[21:30] <jono> bkerensa, that reminds me, I need to re-connect with the web team about our ubuntu.com/participate do-over
[21:31] <bkerensa> indeed
[21:33] <jono> mhall119, any idea who maintains the p.u.c codebase?
[21:56] <Pici> p = planet? packages? pici?
[22:07] <mhall119> jono: no idea
[22:07] <jono> Pici, planet
[22:07] <jono> sorry
[22:08] <jono> mhall119, could be fun to add a small Twitter feed there as well as a small feed for voices.canonical.com so people can click those links if they want
[22:09] <bkerensa> sheesh :P a venue wanted to charge me $75 a hour for our global jam
[22:09] <bkerensa> :D
[22:12]  * AlanBell sees in an email that the ARB team is a volunteer thing?
[22:31] <cjohnston> Who maintains the Pici codebase is a good question
[22:31] <jono> AlanBell, yup
[22:32]  * balloons just discovered new appearance applet.. auto-hide with high sensitivity ftw!
[22:34] <jono> :-)
[22:43] <czajkowski> jono: are there 2 of you on G+ now ?
[22:43] <jono> czajkowski, yup - home and canonical
[22:43] <czajkowski> ahh ok
[22:43] <jono> :-)
[22:44] <czajkowski> jono: when you add a picture can you make it different
[22:44] <jono> czajkowski,  I wish it only showed my home one
[22:44] <czajkowski> seeing a lot of people have 2 acs now but with the same pics and doesnt click which one is which
[23:32] <pleia2> jono: going to announce the global jam on loco-contacts? (that's where I usually forward from for my team, I could just email your blog post though)
[23:37] <jono> pleia2, if you could post, that would be great
[23:37] <jono> :-)
[23:37] <pleia2> sure thing
[23:39] <jono> thanks!


[03:56]  * achiang wonders if he has enough street cred to apply for motu yet
[03:58] <micahg> achiang: https://launchpad.net/~achiang/+uploaded-packages looks a little light
[03:59] <achiang> micahg: yeah, i agree.
[03:59] <achiang> micahg: does +maintained-packages count for anything?
[04:01] <micahg> achiang: maybe in concert with other things (technically we don't have maintainers in Ubuntu), could help for PPU though
[04:01] <achiang> micahg: ok, no worries. i'll keep trying to find time outside of $DAYJOB and keep beefing up for motu. :)
[04:01] <micahg> achiang: I'd suggest just doing the stuff you want to do if you were a MOTU, you should be able to rack up enough sponsorships to apply them
[04:01] <achiang> (just like everyone else)
[04:02] <micahg> s/them/then/
[04:02] <micahg> err..rack up sponsorships is a poor choice of words, rack up enough experience, when people start asking why you're not MOTU, you'll know you've made it
[04:02] <achiang> hehe
[04:03] <achiang> micahg: ok, thanks for the advice
[04:04] <achiang> micahg: hm, one more question, might i have enough experience to be an ubuntu member yet? my wiki page is kinda lame
[04:05] <micahg> achiang: as in non-dev membership?
[04:06] <achiang> yeah
[04:06] <micahg> achiang: let's move to PM
[04:20] <ppedruzzi> hello, everyone. I need some help in reverting a dpkg -i that has failed the configuration step. anyone?
[07:04] <dholbach> good morning
[07:34]  * micahg wonders how ecstatic YokoZar is about wine 1.4 in Debian
[07:51] <Laney> maybe we can undiverge at some point
[08:18]  * Laney fades away until Sunday
[08:18] <Laney> tata
[08:35] <geser> good morning
[08:38] <iulian> Morning.
[10:53] <jtaylor> why can'T I install libglib2.0-dev:i386 without breaking my system? oO
[10:53] <jtaylor> on 12.04
[11:05] <jtaylor> a figured it out
[11:05] <jtaylor> its the recommend on python
[11:07] <jtaylor> kind of dangerous for such a base package
[11:14] <AmberJ> Hello
[13:57] <jtaylor> does someone have a cpu with avx?
[13:59] <jtaylor> a nevermind misinterpreted some lines
[15:17] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!


[02:26] <Corey> Anyone in or around San Jose this evening>
[02:26] <jose> you consider me a saint, Corey?
[02:28] <Corey> jose: Blame the Spanish.


[00:35] <charafau[m]> that feeling when you finish presentation and you're free - priceless
[00:35] <charafau[m]> time to fix PRs for installer :)
[06:22] <jibel> Good morning all
[06:24] <duflu> Morning jibel
[06:28] <duflu> Morning KGB-0 (I wonder if the bot is intelligent)
[06:33] <jibel> Hi duflu
[06:45] <jpnurmi> good morning
[06:59] <duflu> Hi jpnurmi
[07:02] <jibel> Hi jpnurmi
[07:13] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:14] <jpnurmi> good morning seb128
[07:17] <jpnurmi> hey charafau[m], wb. :) did you get answers to the design questions you had?
[07:19] <didrocks> good morning
[07:20] <jpnurmi> good morning and welcome back, didrocks :)
[07:20] <didrocks> thanks jpnurmi :)
[07:34] <duflu> Morning seb128 and didrocks
[07:35] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:38] <seb128> hey jpnurmi duflu GunnarHj
[07:38] <seb128> lut didrocks, wb, t'as passé de bonnes vacances ?
[07:38] <jibel> salut seb128 didrocks
[07:39] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:39] <jibel> salut oSoMoN
[07:39] <GunnarHj> hello seb128 and everyone else :)
[07:39] <jibel> hi GunnarHj
[07:41] <didrocks> salut seb128, bonnes vacances, oui, un peu trop courtes cependant :) salut jibel, oSoMoN, GunnarHj !
[07:42] <oSoMoN> salut jibel, didrocks
[07:42] <oSoMoN> good morning GunnarHj
[07:42] <oSoMoN> welcome back didrocks!
[07:42] <jpnurmi> hi oSoMoN GunnarHj
[07:42] <oSoMoN> hey jpnurmi
[07:44] <didrocks> merci oSoMoN :)
[07:46] <seb128> lut jibel, oSoMoN
[07:46] <seb128> everyone had a nice weekend?
[07:53] <oSoMoN> salut seb128, I had a very good one, what about you?
[08:01] <seb128> it was alright, saturday was nice though the weather feels like octobre rather than august. We drove back yesterday which was boring but went fine, then spent the evening unpacking. School resumed today so finally some quiet working :)
[08:07] <oSoMoN> Oh, nice! We still have another two weeks to go before school resumes here, gotta be patient…
[08:19] <didrocks> on Thursday here \o/
[11:37] <jbicha> seb128: lp: #1941965
[11:39] <charafau[m]> jpnurmi: so far so good, need to fix other PR before that one :D
[11:40] <jbicha> GunnarHj: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/yelp/-/issues/183 I pushed my packaging to https://salsa.debian.org/jbicha/yelp for now. We can look into it more next release cycle
[12:37] <GunnarHj> Hi jbicha! I didn't even know that there was any orange left when using yelp to view the desktop guide. But apparently there is if you use the search feature.
[12:37] <GunnarHj> Thanks for the upstream issue and for holding back 41 for now.
[13:04] <GunnarHj> jbicha: These discussions come to mind:
[13:04] <GunnarHj> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1749103
[13:04] <GunnarHj> https://github.com/canonical-web-and-design/desktop-design/issues/19
[13:04] <GunnarHj> A funny thing is that when browsing the latest desktop guide in hirsute using the very same yelp version (40.stable-1), the search result headers are shown in blue.
[13:04] <GunnarHj> So changes seem to happen both in yelp and Ubuntu's themes.
[14:33] <ricotz> hello desktopers :)
[14:34] <oSoMoN> hey ricotz
[14:34] <ricotz> seb128, hi :), do you mind taking a look at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/at-spi2-core/2.40.3-3/+build/21997925
[14:34] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hey
[14:38] <seb128> ricotz, hey, will try
[14:38] <ricotz> seb128, thanks, so https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus-broker/29-1 needs i386
[14:39] <seb128> sorry I need to move location and drop offline but I will read backlog if you type more things


[09:41] <Unit193> !snap
[13:15] <jphilips> hi all. can you let me know who is the ops for the ubuntu-quality channel
[16:53] <Pricey> jphilips: /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-quality list
[16:54] <jphilips> Pricey: okay i ran it in the channel
[16:56] <jphilips> it mentions Pici, UbuntuIrcCouncil, and balloons
[16:59] <Pricey> Yup
[17:00] <jphilips> pinged balloons
[17:03] <jphilips> Pici: if balloons doesn't do it, can you append this text to the topic " | Telegram: https://t.me/UbuntuTesters"
[17:25] <Pricey> jphilips: fwiw /msg doesn't matter what channel you do it in. It the second argument is a nickname and the rest is the message to sen.
[17:25] <Pricey> *send.
[17:27] <jphilips> Pricey: yep i see it now, didnt look at it, just copied and pasted. luckily not in the terminal ;D


[11:33] <axino> https://launchpad.net/suave looks spam-ish ?
[11:55] <cjwatson> axino: Yep - will deal with it, thanks
[11:57] <cjwatson> (gone)
[22:48] <brain0> morning
[22:48] <brain0> I wanted to post something on launchpad, so I made a Ubuntu one account and tried to log in
[22:48] <brain0> when I click "log in" on launchpad, I get to the page with the "Yes, log me in" button
[22:48] <brain0> when I click it, I only get an error page
[22:49] <brain0> "Oops!  Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad. We’ve recorded what happened, and we’ll fix it as soon as possible. Apologies for the inconvenience. " This has been happening for weeks
[22:49] <wxl> brain0: have you ever been able to login?
[22:50] <brain0> no
[22:50] <brain0> this happened after registration and has been happening ever since
[22:50] <wxl> have you tried clearing your cache?
[22:51] <wxl> cookies, etc.
[22:51] <brain0> I did not. If you think that might have any effect ...
[22:51] <wxl> yes
[22:51] <rbasak> You could use Incognito mode for a quick diagnosis
[22:53] <wxl> i find that doesn't always work well
[22:53] <wxl> but yes
[22:53] <wxl> it's also possible add-ons/extensions could be an issue
[22:54] <brain0> just tried a clean browser profile
[22:54] <brain0> and tried disabling ublock origin
[22:54] <brain0> with no changes
[22:55] <brain0> ublock actually doesn't block anything on launchpad
[22:55] <rbasak> I'd try the Launchpad team in the morning (UTC).
[22:55] <cjwatson> brain0: Can you please give us the OOPS ID?
[22:56] <brain0> there
[22:56] <cjwatson> cookies/add-ons etc. are almost certainly irrelevant
[22:56] <brain0> there's a new one each time
[22:56] <cjwatson> brain0: I know
[22:56] <cjwatson> brain0: Any one is fine
[22:56] <brain0> (Error ID: OOPS-1114c6652631471e231b5c256b3b22b0)
[22:56] <cjwatson> Thanks
[22:59] <cjwatson> brain0: You're a victim of https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1607242.  I've asked a sysadmin to do the necessary fix, although there's nobody on duty right now so it may take a while
[23:00] <brain0> wait, there a launchpad account associated with my email?
[23:01] <cjwatson> brain0: We imported some comments that you made in some Bugzilla somewhere, apparently
[23:02] <cjwatson> That causes a placeholder record to be created that's sort of a bit like an account
[23:02] <cjwatson> But not a real one that somebody can log into
[23:02] <cjwatson> s/Bugzilla/bug tracker/
[23:02] <wxl> sounds like there's a workaround that a sysadmin can implement if i read that correctly, right, cjwatson ?
[23:02] <cjwatson> It's already in progress
[23:02] <cjwatson> You can stop being our first-line support firewall now :)
[23:03] <wxl> :(
[23:03] <cjwatson> (I mean, thanks, it's always better for people to get a response than none at all.  But for future reference an OOPS on account creation is nearly always that bug)
[23:04] <cjwatson> brain0: Right, try again now
[23:04] <brain0> that was quick
[23:04] <brain0> okay, that looks better
[23:04] <brain0> thanks a lot
[23:05] <cjwatson> np
[23:06] <cjwatson> sorry for the inconvenience
[23:07]  * cjwatson realises they sound just like the LP error page ...
[23:13] <brain0> thanks again, gtg


[02:46]  * InHisName is deciding if he should bother yawning tonigh
[02:46] <InHisName> t
[09:25] <rmg51> Morning
[09:41] <JonathanD> Morning.
[11:09] <waltman> Morning.
[12:04] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys, hamsters and everything else
[12:30] <InHisName> Morning
[12:30] <InHisName> Well off to Reading for a quick round trip
[13:46] <pvl1> morning
[14:21] <lazyPower> o/ everyone


[14:37] <guest01276> Good day, I'd like to know if Xubuntu includes telemetry?
[14:39] <orqcxha> was just about to answer
[14:39] <orqcxha> duh
[16:34] <MathMan05> Hello
[16:35] <MathMan05> I need some help connecting to the wifi
[16:35] <MathMan05> i've tried doing the wireless trouble shooting
[16:36] <MathMan05> And doing sudo lshw -C network
[16:36] <MathMan05> But I don't see claimed unclaimed enabled or dissabled
[16:37] <MathMan05> I'm currently tethered to my phone for internet
[16:48] <MathMan05> I've gone and instaled the proprietary driver for the wifi
[16:49] <MathMan0557> test
[16:53] <MathMan0561> I just unpluged from my phone and ran it again, it's still the same things
[17:01] <orqcxha> MathMan0561: Hi what does work though? Your adapter is recognized?


[00:25] <Takyoji> So I have a TV tuner card that acts as a typical video input device (therefore is identified as a webcam in pretty much any program) and I only get sound by bridging a connection from the audio output of my TV tuner card to the Line in connector on my motherboard. Therefore the audio and video are completely separate. Any ideas for a reasonable capture application with a preview, that can persist for like an hour or so (just
[00:25] <Takyoji> as long as there's sufficient storage)?
[00:53] <kermit> mencoder
[01:28] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: I don't know about the preview part, but I've used ffmpeg for recording from webcam.  It lets you set video and audio device independently.
[01:48] <Takyoji> Any idea how I'd figure out which file in /dev is for line-in?
[01:51] <tonyyarusso> redirect urandom to it and see if it hurts?
[01:52] <Takyoji> I mean for which feed is input from the Line In port. xP
[02:28]  * Takyoji wonders how many others have used this before: http://code.google.com/p/phpvirtualbox/


[18:14] <blackboxsw> falcojr: I forgot that Oracle datasource on bionic by default used to be OpenStack prior to us having a more specific Oracle datasource. So we don't need to "fix" that delta in d/cloud-init.templates for packaging defaults. That is an intentional omission. I'll add a comment to that affect so future us can remember that.
[19:41] <FergusL> Hello. Will "cd" in runcmd also change dir for the commands following it?
[20:22] <falcojr> FergusL: yes, it should


[02:39] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[12:57] <luna_> hey updating some Ubuntu LTS machines at work before the weekend


[00:22] <ajmitch> nixternal: I should know not to go to lunch when you've got comments like that :)
[00:27] <nixternal> muhahaha
[06:46] <dholbach> good morning
[06:49] <geser> good morning
[06:49] <dholbach> hi geser
[09:53] <bullgard4> [Ubuntu 11.10] What does mean the string »fakesync« in the installed release »1.12.1-3.1fakesync1« of the package mpg123?
[09:55] <micahg> bullgard4: original tarball is different between Ubuntu and Debian
[10:03] <Rhonda> micahg: duh. shouldn't that be represented in the upstream version somehow?
[10:03] <micahg> Rhonda: no, same upstream version
[10:03] <Rhonda> so that the orig tarball also has a different filename?
[10:04] <Laney> somehow the same upstream version got uploaded to ubuntu with a different tarball
[10:04] <Rhonda> Right, but 1.12.1fakesync1-3.1 would work?
[10:04] <micahg> well, unless it's a generated tarball, this really shouldn't happen (although it happened with blueman, I used the upstream tarball, not sure what the DM did)
[10:04] <micahg> Rhonda: that would require a reupload of the tarball
[10:05] <micahg> the idea is that we don't have a diff, but we can't sync
[10:16] <bullgard4> micahg: Thank you very much for your ample explanation and help.
[10:22] <micahg> bullgard4: IIRC, I did that fakesync as well :)
[11:20] <Laney> tumbleweed: could you start generating the quantal rdepends data?
[11:20] <tumbleweed> hrm, is that not automatic
[11:21] <Laney> dunno, but http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/rdepends/v1/quantal/all/ghc
[11:21] <tumbleweed> aah, it uses distro-info :)
[11:21] <Laney> if it comes from distr..
[11:21] <Laney> yes
[11:21] <Laney> :P
[11:22]  * tumbleweed git pulls
[11:26]  * ajmitch should probably add quantal to the rcbugs thing as well
[11:26] <tumbleweed> so when do we upgrade syklone to precise? :)
[11:26] <tumbleweed> Laney: running now
[11:26] <Laney> ta very much
[11:26] <ajmitch> tumbleweed: one day...
[11:27] <Laney> do it now. dare you.
[11:33] <ajmitch> Laney: sure, you don't need it working do you?
[11:35] <Laney> you're saying that precise wouldn't work?
[11:35] <Laney> :O
[11:36] <ajmitch> I'm sure it'd be perfect in every way
[11:36] <ajmitch> except that it's near midnight here & I'd probably end up deleting critical files :)
[12:00] <tumbleweed> Laney: and it aborted because of the archive.ubuntu.cmo load :)
[12:00] <Laney> heh
[12:11] <geser> will quantal sync from testing or unstable?
[12:13] <directhex> EXPERIMENTAL ;o
[12:13] <micahg> geser: TBD apparently :)
[12:14] <tumbleweed> currently testing
[12:16] <sagaci> that's interesting
[12:41] <Laney> does anyone know what "attend this meeting" on summit does?
[12:45]  * Laney is clicking that rather than subscribing to blueprints, but will it do what I wat?
[12:45] <Laney> want
[12:46] <tumbleweed> oh, there's a "Propose a meeting" button
[12:47] <tumbleweed> Laney: presumably that will mean you don't get blueprint e-mail
[12:47] <sagaci> looks like you need to subscribe to the blueprint separately
[12:47] <Laney> will it have the same scheduling effect?
[12:47] <Laney> there's nothing corresponding to participation essential
[12:47] <Laney> I like not having to subscribe to blueprints :-)
[12:55] <Laney> hah, searching for "ubuntu summit developers" doesn't work so well
[12:56] <Laney> (a permutation of the words is something else ...)
[13:03] <bullgard4> micahg: :-)
[13:53] <aboudreault> hi. if I have 2 packages in my source package: libX and X-bin. How can I tell that X-bin need the shared library or libX ?
[13:54] <geser> aboudreault: how does your Depends: line for X-bin in debian/control look like?
[13:55] <aboudreault> Depends: ${python:Depends}, ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}
[13:56] <geser> looks good
[13:56] <aboudreault> checking what debuild does.... looks like I build ALL, then install. so wondering how it can find my libmapserver if it is not installed
[13:56] <aboudreault> I only have libtool files at this point. (in .libs)
[13:59] <geser> can you upload/pastebin the build log somewhere?
[13:59] <Rhonda> hmmmm
[13:59] <Rhonda> debuild --no-lintian -sa -v'1:1.10.1-1~lucid1'
[13:59] <Rhonda> Do I need the -v switch for backports uploads?
[14:00] <Rhonda> … for ubuntu backports uploads.  *peeks at Laney*
[14:01] <Laney> I suppose it would be nice
[14:01] <Laney> but that version is already in lucid-backports?
[14:01] <aboudreault> geser, 2 mins.
[14:11] <aboudreault> geser, http://paste.pocoo.org/show/587955/
[14:15] <Rhonda> Laney: sure that version is in, that's the whole point of the -v switch. ;)
[14:15] <Rhonda> Laney: To use the latest version from the archive, and thus include all changelog entries in the changesfile _since_
[14:16] <Rhonda> ah, quantal created
[14:16] <Laney> Rhonda: oh, I see what you're proposing
[14:16] <Laney> I was confused because I did'nt see a new request
[14:16] <Laney> yes, I suggest you use that.
[14:16] <Rhonda> Huhm
[14:16] <Rhonda> no maverick anymore
[14:16] <Laney> indeed
[14:17] <Rhonda> So I can dump the maverick-backports branch :)
[14:17]  * Laney turns off maverick-backports
[14:18]  * Laney wonders how to do that
[14:18] <Rhonda> lol :)
[14:37] <geser> aboudreault: I don't know what's wrong there but it doesn't look like a packaging error yet, as the build doesn't finish. It looks like the perl and python bindings assume that the library got installed by the time they get build
[14:43] <aboudreault> well, the error is: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmapserver
[14:43] <aboudreault> mapserver is the library I built earlier in the build log
[14:44] <aboudreault> the ld should only be done at install?
[14:44] <tumbleweed> aboudreault: -L. to help it find it?
[14:45] <tumbleweed> (or whatever the right path is)
[14:45] <aboudreault> tumbleweed, what wasmy initial question, what's the proper way to do that? specifying an extra -L./libs doesn't sound right to me
[14:45] <aboudreault> s/what/that
[14:46] <tumbleweed> why doesn't that sound right?
[14:46] <tumbleweed> sure, your build system should do it for you, but that's what you want it to do
[14:53] <aboudreault> checking to fix my build system
[14:58] <Rhonda> Laney, bug #989801  :)
[14:59] <Rhonda> … and speaking about, shouldn't #932011 be switched to fix released?
[14:59] <Rhonda> Does this need to be done manually?
[15:00]  * Rhonda sets them to Fix Released, if that's wrong someone is invited to slap me on the fingers. :)
[15:01] <pabelanger> I'm pretty surprised about the default file permissions for most openstack components (nova, glance, keystone).  Out of the box we are shipping /etc/{nova, glance, keystone] with 0700. Even their group permission cannot read the folders
[15:01] <pabelanger> got patches up in launchpad hower
[15:01] <pabelanger> however*
[15:21] <trijntje> Hi all, can anybody tell me who is responsible for hosting the tracker for ubuntu torrents?
[15:31]  * cjwatson answers trijntje in #ubuntu-devel.  (One channel at a time, please.)
[16:16] <Laney> Rhonda: yes and yes
[16:46] <Laney> Rhonda: have you test built/installed/upgraded?
[18:36] <Rhonda> Laney: Not yet, just wanted to get it started :)
[18:36] <Rhonda> Laney: You know I am that kind of optimist that always believes that there are others out there who would help out  :)
[19:00] <aboudreault> by default, where dh_install install things?
[19:02] <aboudreault> ah no... it just put things into deb file.
[19:05] <jtaylor> by default dh_install does nothing, only when you add .install files or call it when arguments something is done
[19:05] <spartan-11510> Hi everybody, i need some help to fix a package. i find a translation error and i patch them, but i can't execute "bzr bd -- -S -us -uc" because he says me that http://paste.ubuntu.com/950554/
[19:06] <jtaylor> spartan-11510: run dpkg-source --commit and fill out the forms
[19:08] <spartan-11510> thank you but i don't understand all of forms like "Origin: <vendor|upstream|other>" package are hello in precise
[19:09] <jtaylor> spartan-11510: you don't need to fill out everything, just delete what you think is unimportant
[19:09] <jtaylor> spartan-11510: see http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/ what the tags mean
[19:09] <jtaylor> if you add yourself in the author tag, origin is not required
[19:10] <spartan-11510> thank you really much, it's very difficult to begin in bug fixing
[19:20] <spartan-11510> I've fill the forms and i retry  "bzr bd -- -S -us -uc" but it doesn't work  http://paste.ubuntu.com/950596/
[19:21] <jtaylor> spartan-11510: you have to add the patch in debian/patches to bzr and commit it
[19:22] <jtaylor> bzr add file; bzr commit
[19:42] <Laney> Rhonda: you never know. Upload to a PPA or something and you could be surprised. :-)
[19:49] <spartan-11510> i've patch the package, now i try to test it but it doesn't work. This line it's correct? "pbuilder-dist precise build ../hello_2.7-3ubuntu1.dsc"
[19:51] <jtaylor> whats the error?
[19:52] <spartan-11510> W: /home/spartan-117/.pbuilderrc does not exist
[19:52] <spartan-11510> E: File /home/spartan-117/pbuilder/precise-base.tgz does not exist
[19:53] <jtaylor> you have to create a pbuiler base first
[19:53] <jtaylor> pbuilder-dist precise <arch> create
[19:53] <jtaylor> where <arch> is amd64 or i386 depending on what your system is
[19:53] <spartan-11510> i've created but i forgot the precise
[20:26] <jtaylor> is reverse-depends broken in precise?
[20:26] <jtaylor> I get unknown release
[20:28] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: DB update hasn't managed to run yet. archive.ubuntu.com is too flaky
[20:31] <spartan-11510> jtaylor: when i commit my patch with bzr, i can build my package?
[20:31] <jtaylor> spartan-11510: probably yes
[20:32] <spartan-11510> jtaylor: i don't understand i've build my package, and when i install it, the package doesn't change the bug still here, but the file has been modified
[20:33] <micahg> tumbleweed: can you mirror of of something else?
[20:33] <micahg> *off
[20:34] <tumbleweed> micahg: I tried that earlier and it still died. Let me have another poke at it...
[20:35] <tumbleweed> unfortunately it takes a very long time to run
[20:35] <Laney> everyone loves the s3 mirrors
[20:35] <Laney> apparently
[20:35] <tumbleweed> yeah, tried those
[20:35] <tumbleweed> got a 403
[20:36] <Laney> the horror
[20:36] <tumbleweed> indeed
[20:37] <tumbleweed> $ HEAD http://eu-west-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com.s3.amazonaws.com/ubuntu/dists/quantal/Release
[20:37] <tumbleweed> 403 Forbidden
[20:38] <Laney> maybe they weren't meant to be used
[20:38] <Laney> externally to AWS I mean
[20:38] <tumbleweed> it's only quantal that's 403ing
[20:38] <Laney> oh
[20:39] <Laney> general fail then
[20:39] <tumbleweed> i.e. near the end of the run :(
[20:44] <spartan-11510> jtaylor: I need to re-package for build package with my patch?
[20:44] <jtaylor> spartan-11510: I don't know much about translations, maybe you patched the wrong file?
[20:53] <spartan-11510> jtaylor: i don't understand, i continue to try fixing this error, thnak you really much i learned important things
[21:15] <tumbleweed> deb822.py: WARNING: cannot parse package relationship "gettext:any", returning it raw
[21:15] <tumbleweed> hrm, didn't know that was allowed in the archive, yet
[21:15] <micahg> only for build dependencies IIRC
[21:16] <tumbleweed> yeah, that was B-Ds
[21:16]  * tumbleweed adds support for that
[21:17] <micahg> quantal should start allowing those in binary deps since dpkg is guaranteed to be new enough
[21:18] <jtaylor> how is this incompatibility between .6.1 and .6.2 going to be handled?
[21:18] <jtaylor> that one which happened in the unstable upload
[21:21] <jtaylor> dpkg 1.16.1 -> 1.16.2
[21:21] <tumbleweed> I assume you read buxy's follow-up on that?
[21:21] <micahg> jtaylor: infinity volunteered for that I think
[21:21] <jtaylor> some perl script to update it you mean?
[21:22] <micahg> well, something to not break our systems on upgrade :)
[21:29] <tumbleweed> micahg: great, can't find any reference to :any in debian-policy / multiarch spec
[21:29] <micahg> tumbleweed: well, I shouldn't say for sure, it was implied :)
[21:29] <tumbleweed> it's in ubuntu's multiarchhowto wiki page, but IIRC that predates the debian multiarch wiki page
[23:42] <tumbleweed> micahg: reverse-deps DB has generated
[23:42] <micahg> tumbleweed: cool, thanks
[23:42] <tumbleweed> just in time for it's next cronjob :)
[23:42] <tumbleweed> its
[23:43] <tumbleweed> I'm ignoring :any for now, but submitted a ptach to python-debian
[23:43] <tumbleweed> (ignoring as in those build-deps will be entirely ignored)
[23:44] <micahg> tumbleweed: couldn't you just treat it as s/:any//?
[23:44] <tumbleweed> probably by doing a regex replacement like that, yes
[23:45] <tumbleweed> otherwise, I need my fixed python debian that won't fail trying to parse them
[23:45] <micahg> that's the effect on regular build deps, it was only changed to support cross-building
[23:45]  * tumbleweed quickly does that in time for the next generation run
[23:47] <tumbleweed> urgh, no, it's not going to be easy
[23:47]  * tumbleweed leaves it for now
[23:48] <tumbleweed> -> bed


[07:42] <cornfeed> anyone around that has experience with setting up a serial console?
[07:42] <cornfeed> ooops wrong room


[18:38] <cristian_c> Hello
[18:38] <cristian_c> I've submitted a bug report (regarding a kernel bug) on launchpad almost two years ago
[18:40] <cristian_c> recently, the bug status has been set to Triaged and I was told to read this wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Upstream/kernel
[18:44] <cristian_c> I've read it but I've got some doubts yet. A dev has told me to contact the kernel team for preparing a faultless upstream report
[18:46] <cristian_c> Please take care that when you provide the below information, you should be booted into the newest available upstream mainline kernel only. Failure to do this will have negative unintended consequences.
[18:47] <cristian_c> it's the first question
[19:06] <cristian_c> I do not know what I have to use between two different kernel since they cause different problems
[19:07] <ogra_> cristian_c, it is more likely that you catch some kernel team devs during the week work here
[19:07] <ogra_> *work week
[19:07] <cristian_c> ogra_, ok
[19:08] <cristian_c> thanks
[19:08] <ogra_> (they might read the backlog, though)
[19:08] <cristian_c> ok
[21:04] <apw> crisrian_c ... you might want to let us know the bug# so we can look at it


[01:50] <Hobbsee> SportChick: you here?
[01:50] <Hobbsee> clearly not
[01:50] <Tm_T> :)
[01:51] <Tm_T> I'm here
[01:51] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: yes, but you're not a freenode staffer
[01:51] <Tm_T> hmh, true
[01:51] <Tm_T> discrimination that is
[01:52] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:52] <Hobbsee> hi Madpilot
[01:52] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: ie, you wont be able to tell me who to poke to get more staffers.
[01:52] <gnomefreak> i use !staff when i need one in a hurry
[01:52] <Madpilot> evening Hobbsee
[01:52] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: but I can tell you interesting stuff about music etc
[01:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:53] <Tm_T> bah
[02:02] <SportChick> Hobbsee: yes, now I am
[02:02] <Hobbsee> SportChick: yay.  who's the contact to poke to get more freenode staffers?
[02:02] <SportChick> Hobbsee: in what way?  in your channel? or?
[02:03] <Hobbsee> SportChick: in general.  across timezones where europeans and/or americans are asleep
[02:03] <SportChick> ah, Hobbsee talk to christel
[02:15] <gouki> Hi guys. Bruenig is being quite offensive on #ubuntu - calling everyone who prefers aptitude 'idiots'
[02:20] <Tm_T> oh noes, monkey on the driver seat!
[02:21] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:21] <gouki> Heheh
[02:32] <nalioth> Hobbsee: did you get your staff request honored?
[02:32] <Hobbsee> nalioth: yeah
[02:33] <nalioth> who wants my phone number?
[02:33] <Tm_T> nalioth: me
[02:33] <Tm_T> nalioth: in what timezone you are and when do you sleep?
[02:33] <nalioth> sleep?
[02:34] <nalioth> North America Central Time
[02:34] <Tm_T> ok, so I call every 15 minutes to make sure I do disturb
[02:35] <Hobbsee> nalioth: the people here do, whenever we get the next person who needs a kline, and no staffers who can are aorund
[02:36] <Hobbsee> heya Vorian!
[02:36] <Vorian> hello and congrats :)
[02:37] <Hobbsee> Vorian: over?
[02:38] <Vorian> erm...
[02:38] <Vorian> never mind :/
[02:38] <Vorian> ah...
[02:39] <Tm_T> :p
[02:39] <Vorian> smacks*
[02:39] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: congrats for being contacted staff
[02:39] <beuno> any idea where all the logs from the ubuntu bots are stored?
[02:40] <nalioth> !logs | beuno
[02:40] <ubotu> beuno: Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[02:40] <beuno> thanks nalioth  :D
[02:40] <beuno> gouki: to the bat cave  :p
[02:41] <beuno> there you have them, by channel and by date
[02:41] <gouki> Heheh! The problem is that they can't be organized by data. I can only parse 1 log file for each channel.
[02:42] <beuno> gouki: you parse one log per day?
[02:42] <beuno> I don't understand it then  :/
[02:43] <gouki> IRSSISTATS parses 1 log file for each channel. i.e: ~/irclogs/freenode/#ubuntu - IRSSISTATS takes the content of this file and creates the appropriate HTML page with the statistics
[02:44] <gouki> I can't have ~/irclogs/freenode/ubuntu/01, .../ubuntu/02, etc, etc.
[02:45] <beuno> but it parses it every x amount of time or something, right?
[02:46] <beuno> because then the log files will be enourmos
[02:46] <gouki> Yes. It's not supposed to, but I created a cron job to launch IRSSISTATS every 60 seconds. So the max delay when someone is visiting the website is ~62 seconds
[02:48] <beuno> but can't you parse a "different" log file every 60 seconds?
[02:48] <gouki> Nop :S I mean, the file itself is different (more information there) but it has to be the same file everytime
[02:49] <beuno> gouki: that doesn't sound like a problem
[02:49] <beuno> if I understand correctly, all you need is the file to have the channels name, right?
[02:50] <gouki> Yes
[02:50] <gouki> I could cat 01 >> ubuntu
[02:50] <beuno> gouki: some simple scripting can take care of that
[02:50] <beuno> to run the cron job so that the file gets renamed first
[02:50] <beuno> and you won't need a stat bot  :D
[02:51] <gouki> But don't forget IRSSISTATS requires the 'Day changed' line of IRSSISTATS, so it knows when the day ended. If I used the other log files, it wouldn't be easy to let him (him as in IRSSISTATS) to know that 01 is one day and that 02 is a different day (when cat'ing, that is)
[02:51] <gouki> * of IRSSI, sorry
[02:56] <Tm_T> gouki: I use ircstats
[02:59] <Tm_T> gouki: example of mine: http://tmtravolta.kapsi.fi/ircstats/
[03:02] <gouki> Tm_T: It looks pretty much as a page generated by IRSSISTATS. I'll give it a look! Maybe we don't need all the hacking if ircstats accepts several files
[03:03] <Tm_T> gouki: no idea about several files, I give one big usually
[03:03] <beuno> gouki: this is why I discuss these things in public channels  :p
[03:03] <gouki> Heheh. It worked out pretty good! :)
[03:04] <beuno> I'm sure this isn't too offtopic
[03:04] <Tm_T> sure?
[03:05] <beuno> not 100%  :p
[03:06] <gouki> Heheh
[03:15] <gouki> #ubuntu :S
[03:16] <gouki> LjL was on it :)
[04:00] <effie_jayx> hello :D
[04:00] <beuno> hey effie_jayx
[04:00] <effie_jayx> beuno,  I got you something... :D
[10:56] <jenda> I might have a redeemed troll... maybe not, too...
[10:57] <GazzaK> jenda, really?  they grow up?
[10:57] <highvoltage> jenda: you didn't kiss it, did you?
[10:57] <jenda> dunno... but a several month long ban, and us seeing through the duplicate account...
[10:58] <jenda> ...it seems to have moved him deeply ;)
[10:58] <GazzaK> where?
[10:59] <jenda> GazzaK: in the mind. Mentally. Not elsewhere, you sick, sick person ;)
[10:59] <GazzaK> eeek, I meant what channel
[10:59] <GazzaK> and you say I have a twisted mind
[11:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[11:02] <GazzaK> sometimes I think half of my rep is based on misinterpretation :-)
[11:03] <mneptok> the other half is based on a 1967 snuff porn magazine
[11:04] <jenda> Kamping_Kaiser: your channel, actually ;)
[11:05] <jenda> mneptok: :-D
[11:05] <GazzaK> mneptok, I do worry about you
[11:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, o_0
[11:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont belive we have a reformed troll handy
[11:05] <GazzaK> do you have many normal issue trolls?
[11:06] <jenda> Kamping_Kaiser: PM
[11:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> jenda, sure
[11:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> GazzaK, no, thank fully
[01:55] <jenda> Seveas: Can I cloak this guy? https://launchpad.net/~paulschulz
[02:00] <Hobbsee> jenda: i think so
[02:26] <jenda> Hobbsee: not till Seveas say so ;)
[02:27] <jenda> He has to be added to the database of the cloak'd ones.
[02:27] <Hobbsee> jenda: i thought the IRC council could do that now
[02:27] <elkbuntu> isnt this supapowah going.. yeah.. what she said
[02:29] <jenda> Hobbsee: already?
[02:30] <jenda> Weeell, technically, I'm still only allowed to listed to the GC
[02:30] <jenda> and he's the only one who can add to the LP team.
[02:32] <apokryphos> jenda: he's not
[02:32] <apokryphos> all IRC council members are Admins of the team
[02:32] <jenda> apokryphos: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-irc-cloaks
[02:32] <apokryphos> oh, _that_ group. Didn't even know it existed
[02:34] <elkbuntu> it's shiny new
[02:42] <jenda> apokryphos: you should apply for membership ;)
[02:43] <apokryphos> rarely at CC meetings, and they're always so long
[02:53] <jenda> </lame excuse>
[03:11] <apokryphos> that and I don't see a great reason to
[03:12] <jenda> ok :)
[03:12] <apokryphos> I'm not against it; maybe I'll show up sometime
[03:13] <nalioth> apokryphos: there is a great reason to
[03:13] <nalioth> it'll get everyone to shut up about it
[03:13] <elkbuntu> it's true
[03:13] <elkbuntu> these bastards pestered me too
[03:13] <elkbuntu> ;)
[03:14] <apokryphos> bleh
[03:14] <apokryphos> when's the next meeting?
[03:14] <elkbuntu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda might say
[03:17] <apokryphos> hm, April 3, late. No idea if I'll be around, but I'll try to make it
[03:21] <apokryphos> moinmoin sucks so bad 8)
[03:21] <apokryphos> nalioth: happy now? ;)
[03:22] <nalioth> happy with what? that you hete moinmoin, too?
[03:22] <apokryphos> nalioth: no, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[03:22] <jenda> hehe :)
[03:35] <GazzaK> apokryphos, you are not a member yet?
[03:35] <GazzaK> wow, I thought you were
[03:37] <apokryphos> pfft =)
[03:40] <GazzaK> I'll make a little banner to show sabdfl then :p
[03:40] <apokryphos> :)
[03:45] <GazzaK> damn I cannot find a face pic of you
[03:45] <elkbuntu> ok.. that was odd... just searched for 'vista automatic codec installation' and i didnt think i clicked anything.. then ended up with popups and firefox crashed.. wtf
[03:45] <GazzaK> on vista?
[03:45] <elkbuntu> no
[03:45] <elkbuntu> that's why it's wtf
[03:45] <elkbuntu> it'd be expected behaviour on vista ;)
[03:45] <GazzaK> hehe
[03:45] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: close or crash?
[03:45] <elkbuntu> 'it disappeared'
[03:45] <apokryphos> GazzaK: you couldn't have searched hard ;)
[03:45] <elkbuntu> after grinding the cpu for a bit
[03:45] <gnomefreak> edgy and some feisty having a bit of issues with gtl_style
[03:45] <GazzaK> apokryphos, yeah, but I'm like impatient
[03:45] <gnomefreak> gtk*
[03:45] <apokryphos> fosdem ask for a face pic :O
[03:45] <nalioth> even the mention of that filth is hard on a system . . . .
[03:46] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: try it again see what id does
[03:46] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, but in a google search, without clicking anything?
[03:46] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: depends what the pop up contained
[03:47] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: if it had flash or video in it it would cause it
[03:47] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, since when does a google search page have popups?
[03:47] <elkbuntu> i was at precisely this url: http://www.google.com.au/search?q=vista+automatic+codec+installation&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[03:47] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: since when does firefox have popups?
[03:47] <effie_jayx> can't reproduce it
[03:47] <gnomefreak> cheing
[03:47] <gnomefreak> checking*
[03:48] <gnomefreak> me neither atleast not on feisty
[03:48] <effie_jayx> elkbuntu,  can you do it again?
[03:48] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, sneakily done popups yeah.. like when you click on blank region of a page and it opens a new window full of ads ;)
[03:48] <elkbuntu> effie_jayx, no
[03:48] <gnomefreak> http://discussms.hosting.lsoft.com/SCRIPTS/WA-MSD.EXE?A1=ind0604c&L=wmtalk&O=T&H=0&D=1&T=1
[03:48] <elkbuntu> i was middle scrolling. so it's plausible there was a click of sorts
[03:49] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: that link might be what your looking for
[03:50] <elkbuntu> gnomefreak, i'm just trying to find out if it's like the feisty codec installer thingie, so i know if i can legitimately say 'nyah.. we have this and vista doesnt'
[03:50] <apokryphos> maybe I really am ;)
[03:50] <gnomefreak> elkbuntu: no
[03:50] <elkbuntu> schwoit
[03:51] <gnomefreak> vista media i think comes with them or whatever the highest version is
[03:51] <gnomefreak> but m$ just paid a crap load of money over a lawsuit about mp3 codecs
[03:52] <gnomefreak> one of the founders wasnt getting any money from the use of them M$ was paying the wrong people
[03:52] <PriceChild> vista ultimate :P
[03:52] <effie_jayx> M$ was paying the wrong people <--------- doh! Xd
[03:52] <effie_jayx> hehe
[03:53] <gnomefreak> thats how i understood it when i was eating lunch lastweek/2 weeks ago
[04:16] <effie_jayx> hehe
[04:17] <effie_jayx> I got them tamed :D http://flickr.com/photos/87048530@N00/410587206/
[04:19] <apokryphos> GazzaK has supah cow powahs now in -uk, so be very careful if you ever enter there
[04:19] <GazzaK> apokryphos, :p
[04:20] <GazzaK> moo
[04:37] <effie_jayx> lol
[05:10] <apokryphos> bleh, bot attacks again
[05:10] <nalioth> apokryphos: where?
[05:10] <apokryphos> nalioth: in #ubuntu, for ages. Floods.
[05:10] <apokryphos> nalioth: horde of them in -unregged
[05:14] <apokryphos> hmm, still joining
[05:22] <apokryphos> ok, I'm -r for now
[05:30] <Tm_T> agh, I really hate this channel limit
[05:31] <apokryphos> Tm_T: which one?
[05:31] <Tm_T> 18:31 -!- Cannot join to channel #kde4-devel (You have joined to too many channels)
[05:31] <apokryphos> Tm_T: nalioth
[05:31] <nalioth> apokryphos: Tm_T
[05:32] <Tm_T> well thank you sir :)
[05:32] <nalioth> apokryphos: what did you do now?
[05:33] <apokryphos> nalioth: don't question my authowitee
[05:33] <apokryphos> mm, food
[05:33] <Tm_T> apokryphos: you and authowitee in same sentence, err
[05:35] <jenda> Seveas: now tell me if I can cloak pschulz
[06:30] <apokryphos> NotAmaranth: very inconspicuous ;)
[06:31] <NotAmaranth> hey, not wearing the cloak ;)
[06:33] <apokryphos> it's in the wash?
[06:37] <jenda> Seveas: I'm now waiting for your ack with pschulz01 and newz2000
[08:57] <atoponce> apparently, i was banned from #ubuntu-locoteams. not sure why. any ideas?
[08:57] <atoponce> just noticed it
[08:59] <Amaranth> --- #ubuntu-locoteams Banlist: Sun Mar 18 22:36:55 *!*@oalug/member/atoponce Seveas!n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas
[08:59] <jenda> yep
[08:59] <jenda> Seveas?
[08:59] <Amaranth> you were banned 4 days ago by Seveas
[08:59] <atoponce> how come?
[08:59] <Amaranth> need to talk to him
[09:00] <Seveas> channelpinging perhaps?
[09:00] <Seveas> I have an auto-ban on that
[09:00] <atoponce> ahh. probably a /ctcp version maybe?
[09:00] <Amaranth> Ubugtu isn't in there so there is no way to know for sure
[09:00] <Seveas> could be
[09:00] <Seveas> all CTCPs sent to the channel are highly annoying
[09:00] <atoponce> understood
[09:00] <Amaranth> wait, you autoban for channel ctcp?
[09:00] <Amaranth> that's tempting ;)
[09:01] <Seveas> I do
[09:01] <Seveas> and for channel notices
[09:01] <jenda> atoponce: never do it again... unbanned ;)
[09:01] <Amaranth> i should try it out ;)
[09:01] <Tm_T> Amaranth: IMO it should be warning and ban, but 90 % of time people doesn't listen so ban is ok
[09:01] <Seveas> jenda, I was still checking logs...
[09:01] <jenda> Seveas: ah
[09:02] <Seveas> hmm, the actual offense of course isn't logged :/
[09:02] <jenda> Seveas: seemed unprobable to be a ban that should stay.
[09:02] <Seveas> just that it was for channelpinging :)
[09:02] <atoponce> i was curious what IRC clients people were using
[09:02] <Seveas> jenda, yeah
[09:02] <Tm_T> atoponce: ask then
[09:02] <atoponce> Tm_T: :)
[09:02] <Seveas> Amaranth, feel free to try in here :)
[09:02] <jenda> atoponce: Curiosity killed the cat ;)
[09:03] <Seveas> heh
[09:03] <atoponce> i wasn't aware /ctcp was offensive, but not a problem. i agree that they are annoying when abused
[09:03] <LjL> tempted
[09:03] <jenda> pretty much anything is annoying when done en masse...
[09:03] <Amaranth> :D
[09:04] <atoponce> jenda: agreed
[09:04] <jenda> Seveas: huh? You _un_banned him after that? ;)
[09:04] <Amaranth> man i need that script
[09:04] <Amaranth> although i guess you're nearly everywhere i am where i could use it
[09:04] <Seveas> jenda, that was manually :p
[09:04] <Amaranth> o_O
[09:05] <jenda> Seveas: the ban or the unban? :)
[09:05] <Tm_T> =)
[09:05] <LjL> jenda: hm, the ban would only be set by the first coming, i believe
[09:05] <Seveas> jenda, un
[09:05] <LjL> at least, if i set a ban and then set the *same* ban again, i get nothing on my screen the second time
[09:05] <Seveas> Amaranth, please try again, some small fixes :)
[09:05] <Amaranth> random: if everything works out ok compiz could have cube enabled by default in ubuntu :)
[09:05] <LjL> (though the same doesn't work for *unbans*. not sure if it's a client "feature" or a server one, though)
[09:05] <LjL> but yeah, they'd all get opped still
[09:06] <jenda> heh
[09:06] <Amaranth> alright, gotta go
[09:06] <jenda> LjL: yes
[09:06] <Amaranth> interview
[09:07] <jenda> Thanks for all the fish: http://fotky.cxl.cz/gallery/?india/P1010722.JPG#heading
[09:07] <jenda> One picture from my trip to india :)
[09:08] <ikonia> jenda whats that rug thing
[09:08] <jenda> a ishing net, I presume
[09:08] <jenda> +f
[09:08] <LjL> it forwards to ishing?
[09:08] <ikonia> looks like a strange rug
[09:08] <jenda> LjL: ;)
[09:08] <atoponce> jenda: thx for the unban, and Seveas, thx for the heads up on /ctcp
[09:09] <jenda> It's rough loose linen, and you see it's purpose right there ;)
[09:10] <jenda> :)
[09:10] <jenda> This is how you take a bus in India: http://fotky.cxl.cz/gallery/?india/P1010567.JPG#heading
[09:10] <jenda> And this is how you can safely work on a tall building: http://fotky.cxl.cz/gallery/?india/P1010540.JPG#heading
[09:10] <jenda> (yes, the scaffolding is wooden)
[09:25] <ubotu> In ubotu, dyrne said: hate is the only thing that keeps me warm at night.
[09:33] <LjL> PriceChild: thanks, but i'm happy now. i've got a troll to cook :P
[09:33] <LjL> aaaah called me by first name
[09:33] <PriceChild> hehe
[09:33] <LjL> im sure i know who that is
[09:35] <Seveas> LjL, bon appetit
[09:35] <LjL> nah, he just left
[09:35] <LjL> pity i mistyped the kick command, at least that'd have left a trace in the tracker
[09:35] <GazzaK> troll cooking, cool
[09:35] <Seveas> jenda, that bus looks like an amsterdam tram
[09:36] <GazzaK> the wiring scares me
[09:36] <LjL> does it run on rails?
[09:36] <Seveas> those are just as crowded
[09:36] <GazzaK> Seveas, not seen you in #ubuntu-uk lately :-)
[09:36] <Amaranth> woo, i got a job
[09:36] <Seveas> GazzaK, not going back in there with you as op :p
[09:37] <GazzaK> why not?
[09:37] <Amaranth> if they don't let me go to spain i'll lose a job
[09:37] <GazzaK> why would they not let you go?
[09:37] <Seveas> Amaranth, if you're good at sysadmining, I have a job for you :)
[09:37] <Amaranth> hehe
[09:37] <Amaranth> I can be a very effective BOFH ;)
[09:37] <GazzaK> I've been offered a bit of a change to my job
[09:38] <GazzaK> Seveas, I'm a sysadmin
[09:38] <Seveas> GazzaK, if you ever want a job in NL you're more than welcome
[09:38] <Amaranth> Not sure I'd want to work with Seveas though ;)
[09:38] <Seveas> the local gay bar (50 meters from the office) is where we usually hang out after (or during) work ;)
[09:38] <GazzaK> I'd like to, that is scarylry tempting
[09:39] <GazzaK> eeek, I canna spell
[09:39] <GazzaK> Seveas, what OS?  sadly I'm a windows based sysadmin
[09:39] <Seveas> GazzaK, we need those as well (until I migrate all to Ubuntu)
[09:40] <GazzaK> if this change around at my current job is not fun, i'd like to look into that a lot more Seveas
[09:40] <GazzaK> they want me to work mid week in Birmingham (the bottom of the UK)
[09:41] <Seveas> GazzaK, let me know if you want to know more
[09:41] <GazzaK> Monday as normal in Colchester, then Tue morning drive up to Brum, tue pm work in brum, hotel, wed work in brum, hotel, thur am work, thur pm drive home, fri as normal
[09:42] <GazzaK> I am not sure if it'd be a pain or fun yet
[09:42] <GazzaK> Seveas, if you have any details, can you email me?
[09:42] <Seveas> GazzaK, I can even tell them in public on the odd chance others are listening
[09:43] <GazzaK> okay, if you don't mind using this channel, i'm all ears (well eyes)
[09:44] <Seveas> GazzaK, the company is booking.com, europes largest hotel reservation website -- 500 employees of which 275 (and more daily) people are based in Amsterdam. Most use windows machines, but there are plans for an Ubuntu pilot. Windows sysadmin would be responsible for (re)installing windows (using Ubuntu!!) and maintaing the systems. There is no windows server admin involved (that's all redhat/centos).
[09:44] <PriceChild> GazzaK, birmingham.... bottom of the uk? :)
[09:45] <Seveas> you'd be doing helpdesk a lot as well as cisco ip phone support
[09:45] <GazzaK> Seveas, that actually sounds great
[09:45] <GazzaK> eeek, helldesk
[09:45] <Seveas> and have a good chance to learn linux sysadmin when the ubuntu pilot happens
[09:45] <Seveas> helldesk is not that bad actually
[09:45] <GazzaK> yeah, thats what I like the sound of
[09:46] <GazzaK> the learning linux sysadmin bit
[09:46] <Seveas> due to big firewalls and server based antivirus, most bad stuff stays out
[09:46] <LjL> except that which is already in
[09:46] <LjL> like Win32.Seveas
[09:46] <GazzaK> Seveas, would I need to know Dutch?
[09:46] <Seveas> no
[09:46] <GazzaK> phew
[09:46] <Seveas> company language is english, we have people from lots of countries
[09:46] <GazzaK> as I barely know german and I lived there for 11 years
[09:46] <Seveas> if you look at booking.com, you see it's translated into many languages
[09:47] <Seveas> most translators work in amsterdam
[09:47] <GazzaK> Seveas, I'm in for looking at this a lot more seriously
[09:47] <LjL> you're all supposed to speak english? wow. that would be totally impossible here, even if it was the biggest english-speaking multinational doing it
[09:47] <Seveas> GazzaK, bad news is: we don't help you move to holland and finding a place is not easy
[09:48] <Seveas> LjL, I speak dutch with the dutchmen and english with the rest
[09:48] <GazzaK> yeah, damn, but I do know someone who lives there, almost in the centre of amsterdam
[09:48] <Seveas> nice
[09:48] <Seveas> this is also in the centr of amsterdam (just in front of the rijksmuseum)
[09:48] <GazzaK> but his place is small, and I'd need to find digs in the end
[09:48] <GazzaK> whats the pay like?
[09:48] <LjL> Seveas: certainly, but i assure you it would be quite impossible to have several employees from various countries who do *not* speak italian in any company located in italy
[09:49] <LjL> they'd just all not communicate
[09:49] <GazzaK> LjL, thats the same as most countries in the EU as well, NL is different though
[09:49] <Seveas> LjL, we (both the company and the dutch) are not that unilingual :)
[09:49] <LjL> i envy you
[09:50] <GazzaK> I loved my time in NL, it's a lovely place and the people are mostly really nice
[09:50] <LjL> well, well now...
[09:50] <Seveas> and you liked the marihuana
[09:50] <GazzaK> Seveas, well I think I did
[09:50] <GazzaK> it was quite a weekend
[09:50] <Seveas> heh
[09:51] <GazzaK> the week was a lot more sober, and that was nice
[09:52] <GazzaK> Seveas, count me in, I'd seriously consider it, as I've been wanting to escape from the UK for a bit, but keep my UK status, so a EU place of work is required
[09:55] <LjL> [tongue in cheek comment removed]
[09:56] <GazzaK> LjL, go on say it :p
[09:56] <LjL> it'd be offtopic in -offtopic, but it involves the british and their attitude towards the EU :P
[09:56] <nalioth> it's the GazzaK!
[09:56] <Seveas> GazzaK, my english is failing me: what's the english word for the letter you send to a company to apply for a job?
[09:56] <GazzaK> application letter
[09:56] <Burgwork> Seveas: a resume or a cover letter?
[09:56] <nalioth> resume
[09:56] <Seveas> GazzaK, gah... that simple.. :)
[09:56] <GazzaK> CV
[09:56] <Seveas> no, not resume
[09:56] <LjL> that's latin though :P
[09:56] <Burgwork> cover letter talks about why you want the job, resume is a list of your experience
[09:56] <Seveas> you send that along with the letter :p
[09:56] <nalioth> a cover letter is what you send as the 1st page of a faxed document
[09:57] <Burgwork> cv is a resume
[09:57] <Seveas> Curicculum Vitae
[09:57] <LjL> two R's, one C
[09:57] <Burgwork> that is a CV or a resume
[09:57] <GazzaK> so it'd be a application letter with enclosed CV then
[09:57] <Burgwork> no, a cover letter with a resume/cv
[09:57] <nalioth> since when do geeks send cover letters, CVs and resumes?
[09:58] <GazzaK> nalioth, hehe
[09:58] <GazzaK> I've always had to
[09:58] <LjL> they type them in XML
[09:58] <LjL> on a mechanical typewriter
[09:59] <GazzaK> saly all my jobs have so far been interviewed with a non geek, so xml etc would not go down too well
[09:59] <GazzaK> s/saly/sadly
[10:00] <PriceChild> Should GazzaK sign it with ink or gpg?
[10:00] <nalioth> gpg on his mechanical typewriter
[10:01] <GazzaK> PriceChild, don't click the X :p
[10:02] <Seveas> GazzaK, pm
[10:02] <LjL> hm, the following will take a while and not be in the least impressive, so i'll do it...
[10:03] <Seveas> LjL, you're going to shave your legs?
[10:03] <LjL> ew, no
[10:03] <LjL> argh, no # on my typewriter >:
[10:13] <LjL> bah, no can do, OCR packages for linux suck
[10:13] <LjL>  PRIVDSG hbNnCN-ops :his esae ',,ES typed on. a
[10:13] <LjL>  rnechanical typeriter nd scnned, then, sent ia telne
[10:13] <LjL>  afRr parsing by gOCR
[10:22] <LjL> i have still to start experimenting with IRC over cordless phones using morse
[10:29] <tonyyarusso> LjL: wait, why are you using a typewriter for IRC?
[10:30] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: you have missed it.
[10:30] <LjL> tonyyarusso: [22:02:44]  <LjL> hm, the following will take a while and not be in the least impressive, so i'll do it...
[10:30] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: either check your scroll back or crawl back under your rock
[10:30] <tonyyarusso> aaah
[10:30] <LjL> pity i couldn't get at least PRIVMSG #ubuntu-ops to OCR correctly
[10:31] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: I can't find my rock - my room's a disaster
[10:31] <LjL> if i could, i could at least actually have sent it from nc or telnet
[10:38] <thoreauputic> tip for those who want to go prematurely grey - try setting up 3d with an nvidia card on a sis card with a legacy onboard video  ... much google-fu is required
[10:39] <thoreauputic> .... I now have even less hair of any colour, but 2000 + FPS :)
[10:39] <nalioth> thoreauputic: too late, i was gray at the ripe olde age of 24
[10:39] <thoreauputic> nalioth: heh
[10:40] <thoreauputic> nalioth: 3d is kind of cool, but I'm not sure that I need it really
[10:40] <nalioth> i rarely need three of anything, actually
[10:40] <thoreauputic> hah
[10:41] <tonyyarusso> thoreauputic: Should I try putting Beryl on the PIIs I'm putting Dapper on for a charity?
[10:41] <thoreauputic> well, zooming around in virtual space is fun, but the main benefit of my new card is snappier desktop performance
[10:42] <thoreauputic> tonyyarusso: depends on the video card I guess :) My advice: probably not ;-)
[10:42] <nalioth> thoreauputic: this was your third what?
[10:43] <tonyyarusso> thoreauputic: ati rage pro, I think
[10:43] <thoreauputic> nalioth: misreading of abbreviation or deliberate obtuseness ? ;-)
[10:44] <thoreauputic> tonyyarusso: I got an nvidia because I heard othing but horror stories about ATI !
[10:44] <thoreauputic> s/othing/nothing
[10:45] <nalioth>  abbreviated obtusenosity?
[10:57] <thoreauputic> nalioth: extenuating disobtuseity owing to verbose neologism - you get points for that
[10:57] <thoreauputic> '-)
 thoreauputic: Should I try putting Beryl on the PIIs I'm putting Dapper on for a charity? <- no you shouldnt
[10:58] <tonyyarusso> :P
[10:58] <thoreauputic> heh
[10:59] <tonyyarusso> Kamping_Kaiser: As if I'm not putting myself through enough to get them the way I want already
[10:59] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: hey, I now have 2000+ FPS and am $89 poorer ...
[11:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> tonyyarusso, dapper on p2=ouch. i havent +beryl on any, but i shudder to think what its like
[11:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic, 'good work'? ;)
[11:00] <tonyyarusso> Kamping_Kaiser: I'm starting from Xubuntu, and customizing ubuntu-[server,desktop,minimal]  to what I think is important
[11:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic, is OO.o @ 2000fps any more usable then at <whatever i get>?
[11:01] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: actually it seems a bit snappier, and it starts faster
[11:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> tonyyarusso, oh right. add debfoster to the list :)
[11:02] <tonyyarusso> Kamping_Kaiser: that could be arranged
[11:02] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: but that may also or mainly be because I now have an extra 32MB RAM ( was shared onboard vid RAM)
[11:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic, cool. with the amount of ram i have the .00001 seconds from video increase isnt really noticeable ;)
[11:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> tonyyarusso, i'm trying to get it on itshares computers as standard (wont happen until we start doing custom install images though)
[11:03] <tonyyarusso> Kamping_Kaiser: any tips you've learned about custom install images?
[11:03] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: I have 512 MB RAM now ( well, minus the kernel stack about 504 )
[11:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic, i have 2532MB RAM
[11:04] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: woohoo !
[11:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> tonyyarusso, we used mondo (using a patched version of mondo, dappers version ships nagware)
[11:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> tonyyarusso, i dont remember any tricks off the top of my head, most of what i remember is 'forgot to include that' thoughts
[11:05] <tonyyarusso> Kamping_Kaiser: I looked at that, but when I found out it was tailored to experienced users it didn't sound as good, since eventually this won't be my work
[11:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> tonyyarusso, its (imo) easy to use, i can write you instructions in 30 seconds
[11:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi ompaul
[11:06] <tonyyarusso> Kamping_Kaiser: Well, it needs to be adaptable to various hard drive sizes
[11:06] <tonyyarusso> That was a sticking poing
[11:06] <tonyyarusso> t
[11:07] <ompaul> evenink!
[11:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> i was under the impression it can handle different drive sizes/busses/raid or not (i havent tried myself though)
[11:07] <tonyyarusso> It can - you have to manually specify their sizes though
[11:08] <tonyyarusso> It doesn't just adapt like "use 30% for this, 55% for this, and the rest for the other part"
[11:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah right.
[11:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> i had standard 20 gig drives in all systems i did
[11:10] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, this involves "any random HD someone donates" - they range from 2 gig to 80.
[11:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> well thanks for warning me - i might not use it, since the other systems i have are 'any random hd somone donats'
[11:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> i thought it was more flexible then that
[11:11] <tonyyarusso> I'm thinking a customized install CD with detailed preseed instead
[11:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> not keen on that idea myself - we use ubuntu to avoid doing just that
[11:13] <tonyyarusso> I'm still open to suggestions
[11:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> having had my plan (mondo) put into a corner, i'm going to have to find some sugestions :)
[11:30] <xyr> Ah
[11:30] <xyr> Voice in yet another channel!
[11:30] <nalioth> xyr: perhaps it's your exalted position
[11:30] <xyr> Of?
[11:31] <tonyyarusso> wikimedia contributor, obviously
[11:31] <Seveas> xyr, or chanserv really likes you and wants you to kiss him
[11:31] <xyr> lol
[11:31] <GazzaK> xyr, it's the freenode staff bit :p
[11:31] <xyr> GazzaK, sssh stop spoiling i t:P
[11:31] <nalioth> we were almost able to get him to kiss chanserv
[11:32] <Seveas> GazzaK, try th other bot
[11:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> GazzaK, get a room :P
[11:32] <Seveas> they're both boys
[11:32] <tonyyarusso> oh, nvm then
[11:32] <GazzaK> thats the one \o/
[11:32] <xyr> Well, bedtime.
[11:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[11:56] <tonyyarusso> Does Canonical publish a list of employees by contact area / department?  (ie, shipit, press relations, HR, etc.)
[12:01] <apokryphos> tonyyarusso: I don't know of a list but that stuff is often scattered over the site
[12:01] <apokryphos> like http://www.ubuntu.com/news/mediacontact
[12:02] <apokryphos> which also demonstrates how the site's not completely finished just yet =)
[12:03] <tonyyarusso> apokryphos: ty
[12:04] <GazzaK> it's a right mess