[00:40] <slangasek> tdaitx: squid3 uploaded and in the queue
[01:42] <tdaitx> slangasek, thanks!
[04:30] <pitti> Good morning
[05:17] <pitti> coreycb: the neutron i386 regression is quite stable (http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/n/neutron/wily/i386/), and it doesn't look like just a race condition; can you please have a look?
[05:17] <pitti> coreycb: until then the package is stuck in -proposed (http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#neutron)
[05:34] <pitti> Riddell: bumping the force-badtest for cantor, but there's a bunch of new regressions
[05:36] <pitti> Riddell: kservice in particular
[06:09] <pitti> Riddell: so I went through everything else and adjusted hints etc.;  kservice is the remaining regression that's relevant
[07:28] <dholbach> good morning
[07:29] <seb128> hey dholbach ;-)
[07:29] <seb128> happy friday!
[07:29] <dholbach> hey seb128
[07:29] <dholbach> and the same to you :)
[07:55] <mardy> seb128: hi! Do you have a minute to talk about bug 1453549?
[07:55] <seb128> mardy, hey, sure
[07:55] <mardy> seb128: so, I got no reply from Yorba :-(
[07:55] <seb128> :-(
[07:55] <seb128> that was sort of expected
[07:56] <mardy> seb128: yesterday i created a new facebook key, and got it reviewd and approved by facebook
[07:56] <seb128> they didn't reply on the shotwell list since june
[07:56] <seb128> oh, nice
[07:56] <mardy> seb128: the latest commit here switches to the new key: https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/shotwell/lp1453549
[07:56] <Laney> someone posted on desktop-devel-list yesterday(?) about API keys
[07:57] <mardy> Laney: oh, I'll have a look then
[07:57] <Laney> it doesn't immediately solve this problem but maybe the idea of having them owned by some group is good and can help to avoid it in future
[07:58] <seb128> Laney, was that about shotwell?
[07:58] <seb128> because IRC discussions were about goa I think
[07:58] <mardy> seb128, Laney: my idea was to distro-patch it with the new key, and comment on the upstream bug about the new key I created and asking who wants to maintain it
[07:58] <seb128> at least the ones between Bastien and Xavier
[07:58] <seb128> mardy, +1 from me
[07:58] <Laney> it is a general idea
[07:59] <Laney> even if they have one specific case which motivates it
[08:01] <mardy> seb128: I wonder if you would be willing to take care of releasing a new shotwell with the uoa patch from https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/shotwell/lp1453549 ?
[08:01] <seb128> mardy, yes, I can do that
[08:02] <mardy> seb128: thanks a lot, I'll comment on the upstream bug then
[08:02] <seb128> mardy, thanks
[08:40] <seb128> mardy, your branch doesn't merge fine on the vcs, there is a conflict in 06_uoa.patch
[08:40] <mardy> seb128: where can I find the latest shotwell branch for ubuntu?
[08:40] <seb128> mardy, hum, your patch change is only changing the ClientId?
[08:41] <mardy> seb128: yes
[08:41] <seb128> mardy, lp:~ubuntu-desktop/shotwell/ubuntu
[08:41] <seb128> apt-get source tell you that ;-)
[08:41] <seb128> (or debcheckout)
[08:41] <seb128> mardy, it's ok, I can change the Id manually
[08:41] <mardy> seb128: ah, that will be way faster :-) thanks
[08:41] <seb128> mardy, yw
[10:05] <pete-woods> pitti: backport of 0.16 to vivid overlay kthx? promise won't ask for more landings for at least an hour
[10:07] <pitti> pete-woods: lol
[10:07] <pitti> pete-woods: the overlay has the NM fix -- you need the CLI params one too?
[10:12] <sysrex> hello all, I am looking to backport ubuntu 7.0.55 to 14.04 what would be the best approach?
[10:29] <tsdgeos> cjwatson: you working on launchpad right? how hard would be to make the " 1 branch dependent on this one. " link in https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/new_dash_navigation work?
[10:33] <cjwatson> tsdgeos: That's an interesting failure mode ... probably not very hard, could you please file a bug about that?
[10:33] <infinity> seb128: Why is that unity-settings-daemon changelog such a cluster#%@$?
[10:36] <tsdgeos> cjwatson: would be https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/496056 i guess
[10:36] <tsdgeos> just that that one doesn't work anymre
[10:37] <cjwatson> tsdgeos: Ah, yes, it is that bug.  Indeed I was just thinking "I wonder if this ever worked?".
[10:37] <tsdgeos> cjwatson: i'd say no :D
[10:37] <tsdgeos> i have a look a few years ago
[10:37] <tsdgeos> ~1.5
[10:38] <tsdgeos> but my unexistant knowledge of the language launchpad is written and of launchpad itself made it basically impossible for a 1 hour bugfix :D
[10:39] <cjwatson> tsdgeos: Lots of things in Launchpad would be accessible to a casual contributor, but this probably isn't one of them; merge proposals have quite complex code around them to make the database queries halfway efficient.
[10:47] <pitti> pete-woods1: done
[10:47] <pete-woods1> pitti: :D
[10:49] <cjwatson> tsdgeos: Ah, indeed, I see you filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1277469 then, and that was marked as a duplicate.
[10:53] <tsdgeos> cjwatson: right, that one :)
[11:02] <rbasak> slangasek, tdaitx, infinity: ah, I was just about to do the squid3 merge, but I see the latest upload yesterday. Shall I leave it?
[11:03] <rbasak> Since we'll want it next cycle and you won't be in for a while I might as well start it I guess, but let me know if you want it uploaded now or not.
[11:08] <GunnarHj> happyaron: Any chance that you can upload the patch at bug #1481025 soon? language-selector-gnome, which I uploaded yesterday, depends on it.
[11:16] <happyaron> GunnarHj: just did it
[11:17] <GunnarHj> happyaron: Great, thanks!
[11:17] <happyaron> :)
[11:17] <cjwatson> tsdgeos: OK, I think I have most of a fix but I should really finish off the other urgent things I was working on before diving into writing tests ...
[11:18] <tsdgeos> cjwatson: cool and sorry for derailing you :)
[11:25] <pete-woods> any chance a packaging expert could help me out with this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1472186 (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-network/trunk.15.10/view/head:/debian/control)
[11:37] <seb128> infinity, because I backported individual commits to the vcs with --author and the CI train seems to want to credit individual commiters rather than using the mp description/commit message
[11:37] <seb128> unsure how to workaround it
[11:45] <seb128> infinity, I can manually fix the changelog/merge the vcs if you want
[12:19] <GunnarHj> happyaron: I see in the diff that you picked the old patch instead of the one I prepared, so currently there is a mismatch compared to the l-s code.
[12:21] <GunnarHj> happyaron: What's the reason for that choice? How do we deal with it now?
[12:38] <morphis> seb128: ping
[12:46] <coreycb> pitti, on it, thanks
[13:02] <seb128> morphis, hey
[13:02] <morphis> seb128: you ever looked at obexd on desktop since we updated to bluez5?
[13:03] <seb128> morphis, no, is it not working?
[13:04] <morphis> seb128: it looks suspicious
[13:04] <morphis> the bluez-obexd package provides a systemd user service file
[13:05] <morphis> but we still depend on upstart for the session jobs
[13:05] <seb128> no dbus activation?
[13:05] <pitti> sitter: do you have an idea about the kservice regression? http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/k/kservice/wily/amd64/ (but on all arches) -- this is what keeps most KDE uploads in -proposed
[13:05] <pitti> FAIL!  : KSycocaTest::dirTimestampShouldBeCheckedRecursively() 'newTimestamp > oldTimestamp' returned FALSE. ()
[13:06] <morphis> seb128: that is what I thought too: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12723307/
[13:06] <pitti> but this isn't just a flaky timing issue, it consisently failed on all arches for 7 times
[13:07] <sitter> pitti: that's a new test. will have to take a closer look
[13:07] <pitti> sitter: ah, it's new, not a regression?
[13:08] <pitti> sitter: want me to force-badtest this then for this version, or want to keep everything in -proposed for now?
[13:08] <sitter> pitti: best force for now please
[13:10] <seb128> morphis, the obexd binary is active on my user session on wily
[13:11] <sitter> Riddell: did you upload kservice rc1 or rc2? it appears to me rc2 should fix http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/k/kservice/wily/amd64/
[13:11] <pitti> sitter: hinted
[13:11] <sitter> cheers
[13:12] <seb128> morphis, it's on the session bus, so -y -> -e
[13:12] <morphis> ah right
[13:12] <morphis> works now, sorry for the noise :)
[13:12] <seb128> no worry ;-)
[13:32] <Saviq> morphis, hey, we noticed with mzanetti there's issues with pairing a BT keyboard on krillin (works fine on mako/flo) - you never get a PIN dialog and the settings app just says "connected", when it's really not
[13:32] <Saviq> morphis, is that a known issue? otherwise what can we provide to help fix that?
[13:32] <morphis> Saviq: that is know
[13:32]  * Saviq tries on stable in the mean time
[13:32] <Saviq> oh ok
[13:32] <morphis> I have fixes for that
[13:32] <morphis> but we will land those together with the BlueZ 5 work
[13:33] <Saviq> morphis, and it's a krillin specific bug?
[13:33] <morphis> Saviq: needs changes on the kernel to get that working
[13:33] <morphis> Saviq: yes
[13:33] <Saviq> ack
[13:33] <Saviq> thanks
[13:33] <morphis> Saviq: if you want I can give you a device tarball with those changes
[13:34] <seb128> morphis, is that going to be fixed before bluez5?
[13:34] <Saviq> morphis, if you need me to test, sure, not pressing for me
[13:34] <morphis> seb128: not with ota7
[13:34] <seb128> k :-/
[13:34] <morphis> and we're trying to get all bluez5 stuff into ota8
[13:34] <seb128> right
[13:34] <Riddell> sitter: I uploaded kservice rc2, the one that's currently on the kde server, and it does have the patch which should fix the test
[13:34] <seb128> I wonder if the fix would also fix prompting with my car not working
[13:35] <seb128> looking forward bluez5 to land ;-)
[13:35] <morphis> seb128: no
[13:35] <morphis> that is something different
[13:35] <seb128> k
[13:35] <seb128> maybe bluez5 fixes it though
[13:36] <morphis> seb128: btw. I've updated the silos with some fixes for the authentication/pin problem
[13:36] <sitter> Riddell: so why is it failing then? :P
[13:37] <seb128> morphis, I saw, thanks, I've it on my list to try with those updates
[13:37] <Riddell> sitter: good question, I'm trying to recreate it
[13:37] <pitti> sitter, Riddell: kde landing, brace for impact :)
[13:38]  * sitter hides under desk
[13:52] <sitter> Riddell: passes here
[13:53] <cousteau> Request for openjdk-8 to be added to the LTS repos, since Java 7 is EOL'd?
[13:53] <cousteau> (or where should I direct my request/suggestion?)
[13:55] <Riddell> sitter: test fails here building the package from the archive, and git doesn't build it seems to have a change in it which isn't in the tar
[13:55] <Riddell> sitter: what do you do that passes?
[13:55] <sitter> I build first and then adt-run on the built tree
[13:56] <sitter> also I run it in a docker container
[13:56] <Riddell> sitter: build what? the package from the archive?
[13:56] <sitter> yup
[13:57] <Riddell> spooky
[13:57]  * Riddell installs the built packages then runs the tests again
[14:00] <sitter>     QTest::qWait(1000); // remove this once lastModified includes ms
[14:00] <sitter> timing problem?
[14:00] <sitter> although that wouldn't really explain why it fails consistently
[14:17] <sitter> Riddell: uff, wrong version >.<
[14:18] <Riddell> sitter: ?
[14:18] <sitter>  /tmp/kservice-5.14.3
[14:18] <sitter> pull-lp-source gave me the wrong version for some reason xD
[14:18] <Riddell> tsk
[14:23] <sitter> Riddell: it's failing because of qt 5.4
[14:23] <sitter> and I can reproduce now
[14:23] <sitter> upstream build against qt 5.4 also fails the test https://build.kde.org/job/kservice%20master%20stable-kf5-qt5/PLATFORM=Linux,compiler=gcc/89/console
[14:24] <sitter> qt 5.5 for comparision https://build.kde.org/job/kservice%20master%20kf5-qt5/PLATFORM=Linux,compiler=gcc/94/console
[14:25] <Riddell> well spotted
[14:26] <Riddell> sitter: I guess the only thing to do is e-mail the frameworks list and the Xuetian Weng dude who's been working on it
[14:26] <sitter> yeah
[14:27] <Riddell> sitter: I'll send an e-mail
[14:28]  * sitter looks into why that testsuite rebuilds the buildtree
[14:29] <sitter> Riddell: ^ fixed that in unstable
[14:30] <Riddell> I always assumed there was a good reason for that, I just never worked out what it would be
[14:30] <Riddell> sitter: ooh?
[14:30] <sitter> Riddell: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/frameworks/kservice.git/commit/?h=kubuntu_unstable&id=d96d6f3641b9166f352003fb5d968e2d622264dd
[14:30] <sitter> testsuite rebuilt the tree for no good reason
[14:30] <Riddell> genius
[14:31] <Riddell> sitter: all the frameworks seem to have this
[14:32] <sitter> Riddell: just some
[14:32] <sitter> one of them probably needed it and from there on out it was bad copynpaste :P
[14:33] <Riddell> sitter: but I feel like it would be good to have tested in the ubuntu archive before changing it all, there might be a perfectly rational explanation
[14:33] <sitter> the openbox testsuite needs to be put into pkg-kde-tools really
[14:34] <sitter> Riddell: could just do it for 5.16
[14:34] <sitter> after wily
[14:34] <Riddell> yep
[15:28] <smoser> anyone have a suggestion on how to check in python "is systemd service X running" ?
[15:34] <jrwren> smoser: shell out. :)
[15:35] <cjwatson> smoser: python3-systemd is a thing apparently
[15:36] <cjwatson> hm though its online docs don't document such an operation
[15:38] <sil2100> seb128: hey, I saw you posting a bug on debian about this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/telepathy-glib/+bug/1504506 <- are you working on this bug currently? :)
[15:38] <jrwren> honestly, subprocess.call('systemctl','status'... may be best.
[15:38] <seb128> sil2100, Laney is, he sent a patch upstream and said he would handle Debian/Ubuntu uploads
[15:39] <sil2100> seb128: excellent, thanks o/
[15:39] <gQuigs> smoser:  I wonder if you can just read the journal of a specific service maybe ? (https://github.com/systemd/python-systemd)
[15:39] <seb128> sil2100, yw, assigned to Laney so other don't duplicate work
[15:40] <cjwatson> Shelling out to systemctl is probably easiest TBH
[15:45] <sil2100> btw. I see that python-pex autopkgtests are failing, blocking wheel in -proposed right now
[15:45] <sil2100> Is anyone looking into those right now?
[15:46] <didrocks> cjwatson: gQuigs: you should prefer using "show" rathen than "status". status is supposed to be human-readable and not for parsing
[15:46] <didrocks> rather*
[15:47] <cjwatson> didrocks: I didn't specify any particular thing
[15:48] <cjwatson> didrocks: and it was smoser who was actually trying to do it
[15:48] <didrocks> right, backlogged fully now, so smoser ^
[15:49] <sil2100> barry: hey! I see that the new wheel sync seems to cause some autopkgtests fail for python-pex and therefore got blocked in -proposed
[15:49] <sil2100> barry: for instance<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:49] <smoser> yeah. i think i'll shell out.
[15:50] <sil2100> barry: this is a bit worrying: Resolving interpreter :: Setting up interpreter /usr/bin/python3.5 :: Interpreter cache resolving wheel<0.25.0,>=0.24.0 Could not find compatible interpreter <- could this be related to the failure?
[15:50] <smoser> i think i just need 'reload-or-restart'. and through shell.
[15:50] <smoser> thanks ffor feedback
[15:50] <sil2100> barry: the version you pulled in is 0.26.0-1, maybe we'd need some fixes/changes to python-pex too? Should I look into that or is it worked on already?
[15:51] <sil2100> barry: I actually see a new python-pex in -proposed
[15:52] <barry> sil2100: i just uploaded pex 1.0.3-2ubuntu1 but i guess it doesn't solve the problem.  i wonder if its a problem with the armhf and ppc platforms
[15:52] <slangasek> rbasak: up to you whether you think the squid3 merge should still be done this cycle; the blocking bugs have been resolved now, we weren't sure of an eta for the (big hairy) merge
[15:52] <rbasak> slangasek: thanks. Now that I've looked at it, it's even more hairy, so I'm going to decline to push it in this late now. I'll have it ready for early next cycle.
[15:52] <rbasak> infinity: ^
[15:52] <sil2100> barry: I see that all autopkgtest archs for the new python-pex are failing
[15:54] <sil2100> barry: btw. any package I could help out and pick up to fix the FTBFS? ;) I prefer to ask since I see many of the failures are already worked on,
[15:54] <barry> sil2100: dang.  and i specifically ran adt-run on that package before i uploaded it :(
[15:55] <gQuigs> would we recommend people to use systemctl not service in new releases?
[15:55] <barry> sil2100: i started with configglue, but just haven't gotten very far and too many other things got pushed on my stack. :(  it's an upstream incompatibility.  see LP: #1504288 if you'd like to take a look
[15:57] <sil2100> barry: on it then!
[15:57] <barry> sil2100: thanks!  i'm getting some lunch now :)
[15:58] <sil2100> Have fun ;)
[19:04] <ben___> newb launchpad/bzr question -- but how do I see the source for changes after a package is released? e.g., using libvirt as an example, `bzr branch lp:ubuntu/trusty/libvirt` shows me the code for the release package (libvirt 1.2.2-0ubuntu13), how do I checkout the code for the updates package (libvirt 1.2.2-0ubuntu13.1.14)?
[19:13] <ricotz> doko, hi, maybe you could take a look at merging aptitude 0.7.3-1
[19:27] <cjwatson> ben___: The system for doing automatic imports into bzr is not very robust and is unmaintained, so it often breaks.  We plan to replace it with a similar system for importing into git at some point, but haven't started on that yet.  In the meantime it's more reliable to just fetch the source package; use "pull-lp-source" from the ubuntu-dev-tools package, or for just a quick diff to the last version you can start from ...
[19:27] <cjwatson> ... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt
[19:28] <ben___> cjwatson: thanks, that makes more sense.
[19:31] <hjd> cjwatson: Is pull-lp-source working again? (Last time I tried, I ran into bug 1453330)
[19:32] <hjd> Or wait... that might be the debian-part of it only...
[19:32] <cjwatson> I believe that's only pull-debian-source, and in any case you can work around it by specifying a version
[19:32] <cjwatson> IIRC
[19:43] <hjd> tested now, and pull-lp-source seems to work fine at least. So ignore my comment above :)
[19:49] <ben___> yep, working here as well
[20:35] <barry> pitti: don't suppose you might still be around?
[22:24] <knome> slangasek, hullo! we have now updated the merge proposal for xubuntu core at https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu-core/+merge/268167
[22:25] <knome> slangasek, should have changes you asked for, and if you want to discuss the way things have been done there, i brought krytarik, the author of the newest changes here :)


[00:03] <Myrtti> ttired...
[00:04] <Seeker`> long trip?
[00:10] <Myrtti>  somewhat
[00:17] <jussi01> Vappu FTW!!
[00:28] <Seeker`> ...?
[03:43]  * genii sips
[05:24] <britt> help! im trying to fix the DCC exploit, updated my firmware and connected to freenode @port 8001
[06:12] <Myrtti> anyone awake?
[06:15] <nalioth> unfortunately
[06:17] <Myrtti> I'm looking @ -ot with some uneasyness
[07:28] <Chr|s> Hey guys, how do I go abouts getting ubottu on my system to run in ##zencart
[07:29] <Chr|s> stdin helped me awhile back with a similar problem
[07:32] <Chr|s> I hope I can still get him :)
[07:36] <Chr|s> jussi01: *ping*
[08:11] <jussi01> !botclone | Chr|s
[08:11] <Chr|s> ahh thats it! supybot
[08:11] <jussi01> Chr|s: also, bot discussion happens in #ubuntu-bots
[08:11] <Chr|s> thanks
[08:12] <jussi01> Chr|s: any operator stuff you need help with?
[08:12] <Chr|s> jussi01: no that will be all thanks
[12:35] <jrib> IRSeekBot k-lined eh?
[12:38] <tsimpson> It seems to get k-lined every month
[13:00] <ikonia> I thought IRSeek had stopped "servce"
[13:06] <elky> oh? that's a shame :(
[13:09] <ikonia> j-dizzle, ha ha ha
[13:09] <ikonia> that's new
[13:12] <ikonia> j to the d to the izzle
[13:55] <elky> ikonia, nah, he's always been a dork.
[14:30] <gnomefreak> did we take +1 topic from =bugs?
[14:30] <gnomefreak> oops
[14:30] <Pici> gnomefreak: No?
[14:30] <gnomefreak> from -bugs
[14:31] <gnomefreak> Pici: the last line is happy bug hunting
[14:33] <LjL> stew: an incredible deduction holmes!
[14:33] <stew> i couldn't resist, i probably should have
[14:34] <LjL> we should come up with something that reliably gives away one's distribution and version of it without them realizing
[14:35] <Pici> gnomefreak: I know, I actually came up with it on my own
[14:36] <gnomefreak> Pici: ah ok i just thought it sounding like test it and find bugs
[14:37] <ikonia> people will want to test it because it has bigger versions number if it's in the topic or not
[14:37] <Pici> gnomefreak: You can change it if you want. I just wanted to put something fun there.
[14:37] <gnomefreak> Pici: no its ok lets wait and see what people say about it
[14:38] <ikonia> gnomefreak: "it broke my system, when will nvidia drivers be read" I'll put $10 on that
[14:38] <gnomefreak> :)
[14:38] <ikonia> ready
[14:40]  * genii sipshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[14:40] <genii> Stupid touchpad
[14:41] <tsimpson> you have moved from coffee to wiki? ;)
[14:41]  * ikonia makes extra strong wiki
[14:41]  * ikonia makes extra strong secure wiki
[14:41] <bazhang> hehe
[14:43] <genii> I've been hanging out in -classroom and absorbing info. It looked quiet there right now so was gonna go check the schedule
[14:43] <genii> But my touchpad has some gesture thing where it likes to paste things once in a while
[14:43] <tsimpson> everything starts at 15:00 UTC
[14:43] <ikonia> genii: I've enjoyed a few of the classroom sessions
[14:44] <genii> ikonia: The ones on packaging and bug fixing/tracking lately were the ones of interest to me
[14:45] <ikonia> genii: yes, I enjoyed them also (packaging - didn't see bug)
[14:45]  * gnomefreak should have checked meail first :(
[14:45] <ikonia> I'm always very interested in the server talks, as the push development really well, but then the product shoots itself in the foot to be introducted to businesses
[14:46] <genii> ikonia: Well, there's also that deeply embedded market where RHES and so on have been for a long time, so penetrating that takes time
[14:47] <genii> But I grow -ot ;)
[14:47] <ikonia> genii: it's not the market - it's the product and ethos
[14:48] <ikonia> genii: lets rock -ot if you want to jabber about it
[14:48] <ikonia> lets shock the world with an offtopic discussion
[14:48] <genii> Hehe
[14:49] <genii> Is there a -erver-offtopic? I never checkd
[14:49] <ikonia> nah
[14:49] <genii> Bleh typos
[14:54] <genii> ikonia: At work when we discuss OS and servers, mostly the people we talk with are using something other than MS products are running something usually like FreeBSD, RHES (or CentOS), Solaris. From there it goes into Debian and so on. And so the guys running non Debian based find the transition not worth it. And the Debian guys just think anything non-Debian is just inferior. Nevermind after that trying to talk to the MS fanboys...
[14:55] <ikonia> genii: jump in -ot lets ramble/discuss
[14:55] <genii> ikonia: #u offtopic?
[14:55] <ikonia> why not
[14:55] <ikonia> it's ubuntu and offtopic
[14:55] <genii> OK
[14:55] <LjL> yes, that's what he meant, as shocking as it sounds
[14:55] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[14:56] <ikonia> LjL: come and play,
[14:57] <LjL> servers are not really my thing, i've got something called a home "server" and that's it :)
[15:09] <ikonia> LjL: sometimes you really crack me up and make me laugh in the office, you should stop that please.
[15:12] <genii> Heh who knew our benevolent leader actually sometimes pays attention to the channels
[15:12] <topyli> ban him!
[15:12] <Pici> I've been to UDS, but still having a conversation while Shuttleworth is there is still weird
[15:12] <tsimpson> I've made some new factoids, edited !disks and added !partitionmanager and !kpackagekit
[15:12] <Pici> tsimpson: Thanks!
[15:16] <Pici> tsimpson: !kpackagekit is a bit bland though
[15:17] <Pici> new misspelling for Jaunty: Juniper
[15:17] <LjL> oh lord
[15:17] <ikonia> juiper berry release, isn't that panarchy's new os ;)
[15:18] <tsimpson> Pici: yeah, I just added it because I referenced it in !qtarted
[15:18] <LjL> but i wonder
[15:19] <LjL> if we called it, say, Clever Cat
[15:19] <LjL> would people misspell them anyway?
[15:19] <Pici> Yes
[15:19] <LjL> yes, that's what i thought!
[15:19] <ikonia> LjL: ubuntu 9.10 Klever Kat
[15:20] <LjL> ikonia: that's kubuntu
[15:20] <ikonia> ha ha ha touche
[15:20] <LjL> should have presented !crackports to sabdfl when he mentioned backports, anyway
[15:20] <ikonia> quite defensive, but I understand why
[15:21] <LjL> he phears the debian!
[15:21] <LjL> he isn't here too, is he?
[15:21] <LjL> no? good.
[15:21] <ikonia> I do admire someone who's willing to sit in a public IRC channel and be available like that
[15:21] <ikonia> I think that's a bold move
[15:25] <genii> We're gonna have a lot of weird crap after 9.10 in #kubuntu like:  How do I do <something here> in KKK ?
[15:25] <ikonia> auto kick for kkk on the bots
[15:26] <LjL> ikonia: we don't have bots in #k :(
[15:26] <ikonia> really ?
[15:26] <ikonia> I thought there was
[15:26]  * ikonia launches kkk-bot
[15:27] <Myrtti> we haz sun burn :-(
[15:27] <ikonia> at least you have sun to burn you
[15:28] <genii> So thats where the sun is shining. It's not around these parts today
[15:28] <Pici> Nor here.
[15:29] <ikonia> raining here
[15:29] <Pici> Here too
[15:32] <LjL> ikonia: Riddell is not a bot :(
[15:32] <LjL> or at least, he claims not to be one
[15:32] <genii> Sometimes I wonder ;)
[15:33] <popey> he's a very efficient drinking bot
[15:35] <Pici> Speak for yourself..
[15:35] <ikonia> LjL: did I say he was a bot ?
[15:36] <LjL> ikonia: no but he's the only opped user in there :P
[15:36] <Pici> He forgot to deop after kicking someone yesterday
[15:36] <ikonia> LjL: in where ?
[15:37] <LjL> in #k
[15:37] <ikonia> there you go
[15:49] <tsimpson> riddell *always* "forgets" to de-op
[15:53] <genii> They are covering LP Soyuz system shortly in -classroom :)
[15:54] <LjL> tsimpson: and nobody ever has the guts to deop him, it would appear :P aside from this time
[15:55] <tsimpson> I have done it before, I just didn't this time
[15:56] <bazhang> wonder if jfreak is intelikey
[16:00] <bazhang> @bansearch ms1234
[16:02] <popey> @btlogin
[16:02] <popey> @search snailar
[16:02] <ubot4`> popey: There were no matching configuration variables.
[16:02] <popey> erk
[16:02] <popey> how do you drive this thing?
[16:02] <bazhang> heh
[16:03] <bazhang>  its @bansearch
[16:03] <popey> doh
[16:03] <popey> @bansearch Snailar
[16:04] <popey> hmm, my btlogin didnt work did it
[16:04] <bazhang> try @login first
[16:05] <popey> @login
[16:05] <popey> @btlogin
[16:05] <popey> woot
[16:05] <popey> ta
[16:06] <bazhang> * [Snailar] (n=gen@<IP_ADDRESS>): purple nothing on bt
[16:08] <bazhang> notito> what's this canonical bought by sun? any1 has a link?  <--wth
[16:08] <ikonia> bazhang: it's nonsense,
[16:09] <bazhang> ikonia, of course it is
[16:09] <bazhang> spread by jfreak it appears
[16:10] <Pici> He wasn't the first one who said it I thought.
[16:10] <bazhang> aha
[16:14] <popey> hmm, snailar smells of freak
[16:51] <shadeslayer> hi was amy__ banned/kicked?
[16:51] <shadeslayer> i ask because of this
[16:51] <ikonia> no, she quit
[16:51] <shadeslayer> amy__<EMAIL_ADDRESS>requested unknown CTCP VERSIONB from shadeslaye
[16:52] <shadeslayer> multiple time
[16:52] <shadeslayer> *times
[16:52] <ikonia> check the part message, she quit on her own
[16:52] <shadeslayer> thats not the issue
[16:52] <LjL> uhm
[16:52] <LjL> [17:38:20] <amy__> ctcp shadeslayer
[16:52] <ikonia> shadeslayer: thats the question you asked
[16:52] <shadeslayer> oh sorry,ill re frame my question
[16:52] <ikonia> shadeslayer: you asked was she kicked - no - she left on her own, was she ctcp'ing you - don't know - but can't do anything about it as she's left
[16:53] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:53] <shadeslayer> so should i talk to him/her in a query later or will you guys deal with it?
[16:54] <ikonia> shadeslayer: you can talk to him/her if you want and it makes you feel better, but as she's not on freenode or in the ubuntu channels there is nothing we can do
[16:54] <shadeslayer> ok thanks
[16:55] <LjL> i suspect the was doing it for real though, wonder if other people were hit
[16:55] <LjL> s/the/she/
[16:55] <gnomefreak> i wasnt hit
[16:55] <ikonia> I suspect she was too, she said it in the channel, but as I didn't see it and no-one reported it, I don't know, nor can I act on it now that she's gone
[16:56] <LjL> no of course, if someone else reports it on the other hand...
[16:56] <ikonia> still can't really do much maybe put a forward on her
[16:57] <ikonia> put in a notify, speak to her when she is next on line ?
[16:58] <LjL> [17:58:02] --> NeowiN has joined this channel (i=neowin@<IP_ADDRESS>).
[16:58] <LjL> wasn't this the name of an old troll?
[16:58] <ikonia> yeah, he was active a few days ago if I remember correctly
[17:00] <LjL> uhm, perhaps not though
[17:00] <LjL> the only thing i have in #ubuntu-ops about him is myself saying "i vaguely recall neowin being a troll"
[17:00] <LjL> so perhaps i'm just vaguely recalling myself vaguely recalling him being a troll :
[17:00] <LjL> :)
[17:01] <ikonia> I think he was active a few days ago and someone else also commented on it though, so you are probably right
[17:02] <LjL> wish the old bantracker stuff was still available
[17:02]  * ikonia shakes first at seveas
[17:02] <ikonia> not heard much from him in a while, hope he's good
[17:03] <LjL> last time he left -offtopic angrily because i did something to him he didn't like, although i'm not sure just what.
[17:03]  * genii sips
[17:05] <ikonia> hot cup of wiki ?
[17:10] <genii> ikonia: Smart aleck :)
[17:48] <genii> They seem to spend a lot of time talking about doing language translations in -classroom. I guess the push is still on to get into as many places as possible. Or maybe they are just shortahanded in that dept, I dunno.
[18:01] <Pici> ikonia: forgot how to use ubottu?
[18:01] <ikonia> having a moment....sorry
[18:01] <Pici> ;)
[18:01] <ikonia> just working on a sunbox and had pkginfo in my head
[18:02] <Pici> I actually have ls aliased to dir on my windows work computer for a simila reason
[18:24] <ikonia> ThomasHC: hello again, how can we help
[18:24] <ikonia> thought not
[18:36] <bolt_> why am i here
[18:37] <ikonia> bolt_: you know why you are here
[18:37] <bolt_> but  what did i do this time
[18:38] <ikonia> one moment please
[18:39] <ikonia> ahh yes, you where just repeating yourself over and over in the channel and making pointless comments over and over again in the channel
[18:39] <ikonia> you also kept spamming the channel
[18:40] <bolt_> did i? i didnt relise
[18:40] <ikonia> http://ubottu.com/bans.cgi?sess=620954001648d19b38547edc1e2a193b
[18:40] <ikonia> ohoh for sdlkfjfgsfd;lfsd sake
[18:40] <ikonia> stupid windows
[18:40] <ikonia> apologies
[18:40] <ikonia> tsimpson: help please
[18:40] <ikonia> bolt_: apologies, I'll be with you in a second
[18:41] <ikonia> bolt_: you kept repeating linux fire alarm controll thing does the moast annoying things ever plz help
[18:41] <ikonia> bolt_: you also kept saying "help"
[18:42] <ikonia> the fact that you said it about 12 times - suggests you knew what you where doing
[18:42] <ikonia> more so after we'd spoke to you a few days earlier about your behaviour
[18:43] <bolt_> but that was an actual problom that i don't know anything about , besides i've sorted it now
[18:43] <ikonia> it doesn't matter if you sorted it or not
[18:43] <ikonia> it matters how you asked / behaved in #ubuntu
[18:43] <ikonia> saying
[18:43] <ikonia> help
[18:43] <ikonia> help
[18:43] <ikonia> help
[18:43] <ikonia> help
[18:43] <ikonia> hel
[18:43] <ikonia> is not the way to get help
[18:44] <ikonia> then saying about the firealarm problem in the same way - and cutting and pasting it so you knew exactly what you where doing
[18:44] <bolt_> ok , but knowone would help me
[18:44] <ikonia> so ?
[18:44] <ikonia> you've been told about this before
[18:44] <ikonia> just beause you don't get help when/how you want doesn't mean you can behave how you want
[18:45] <bolt_> youre not tricking me are you
[18:45] <ikonia> tricking you with what ?
[18:45] <ikonia> how can this be a trick ?
[18:47] <bolt_> well for a start i don't know linux very well, and you telling me what to do. it just confuses me
[18:47] <ikonia> bolt_: if you know linux or not is nothing to do with how you behave or interact with people
[18:47] <ikonia> bolt_: is English your first language ?
[18:47] <bolt_> no seccond
[18:47] <ikonia> what is your first ?
[18:48] <bolt_> doggy language
[18:48] <ikonia> ok bye
[18:48] <ikonia> this conversation is over
[18:48] <bolt_> oh alright then not that
[18:48] <ikonia> bolt_: I'm not interested now - come back in a few hours when someone else can be bothered with your childish behaviour
[18:49] <bolt_> i'ved stopped now
[18:49] <ikonia> I'm not interested - I'm done, this is your regular behaviour
[18:49] <bolt_> yes it is
[18:49] <ikonia> bolt_: please leave the channel now as this conversation is over
[18:50] <bolt_> i'll just sak #kubuntu then
[18:50] <ikonia> bolt_: if you wish to
[18:50] <ikonia> bolt_: please leave this channel now though
[18:51] <bolt_> i want to ask things in #ubuntu and .... what happened nothing
[18:51] <ikonia> Pici: jussi01  Myrtti elky any of you around
[18:51] <popey> :(
[18:51] <ikonia> bolt_: please leave - this conversation is done
[18:52] <Myrtti> ikonia: yes?
[18:52] <bolt_> btw i'm going to network hack and crash your pc
[18:52] <ikonia> Myrtti: please remove bolt
[18:52] <ikonia> bolt_: thanks for that threat -
[18:52] <bolt_> goodbye
[18:53] <genii> Man. Must be a full moon or something
[18:53] <Myrtti> bolt_: kick is not an invite
[18:53] <bolt_> plus you and you
[18:53] <bolt_> = pain
[18:54] <ikonia> just remove him, I'm not talking with a child making threats being a pain
[18:54] <Myrtti> bolt_: bybye
[18:54] <ikonia> thank you Myrtti
[18:54] <ikonia> it's his regular show and I'm not putting up with it while it's obvious his intent
[18:54] <popey> oh jeez
[18:55] <ikonia> popey: what's up
[18:55] <popey> him
[18:55] <ikonia> ah
[18:55] <ikonia> he's a regular
[18:55] <popey> such a monumental waste of time
[18:56] <popey> oh, i know, he started in -uyk
[18:56] <ikonia> yes, hence why I can't be bothered with the sasme dance
[18:56] <popey> -uk
[18:56] <ikonia> ahhh
[18:56] <popey> he's 12 iirc
[18:56] <popey> maybe 13
[18:56] <ikonia> don't care
[18:56] <ikonia> (sorry didn't mean that to you)
[18:56] <popey> well, indeed
[18:57] <popey> tis fine
[18:57] <popey> not mitigating, just saying :)
[18:57] <ikonia> I know,
[18:57] <ikonia> I thought it may have been a language issue, but it's not
[18:57] <ikonia> I personally don't think he should be allowed in #kubuntu while he's making threats
[18:57] <LjL> when i was 12, i knew how to spell :(
[18:57] <ikonia> but I'm sure he'll screw up on his own
[18:58] <LjL> admittedly, i knew how to spell italian, which is not quite the same thing.
[19:00] <nickspoon> I can spell spaghetti too, LjL.
[19:00] <ikonia> I'd love some pasta now
[19:00] <LjL> aw, nickspoon
[19:01] <LjL> i'll have some pasta in about 24 minutes i believe
[19:02] <LjL> nickspoon probably knew how to spell when he was 3
[19:02] <LjL> actually some sources suggest he invented spelling
[19:02] <ikonia> LjL: why so exact - 24 minutes
[19:03] <LjL> ikonia: i know my female parent's habits :P
[19:03] <ikonia> LjL: ahh
[19:03] <LjL> at 20:27 she'll call dinner
[19:04] <LjL> which means dinner will *actually* be ready at 20:30 exact
[19:04] <LjL> (and that's because she knows it takes me an average of three minutes to disengage from IRC)
[19:14] <genii> ikonia: My empathy goes out to you on the bolt_ situation
[19:14] <ikonia> nothing to worry about, all done
[19:15] <ikonia> LjL: you still here ?
[19:17] <ikonia> my clients borked, I'm going to have to restart it
[19:20] <LjL> yes
[19:20] <ikonia> LjL: never mind, I found the problem, clients having an issue
[19:20] <ikonia> sorry to call you away from waiting for pasta
[19:21] <genii> ikonia: I'm on massive lag due to work requirements right now, have some patience with me in #k
[19:21] <ikonia> no problem
[19:22] <ikonia> my client was missing characters I typed, but still actually taking them, so I made a right mess of that
[19:29] <genii> Gah, I come back into #k to see tail end of this lspci output
[19:29] <ikonia> sorry
[19:30] <ikonia> had bolt_ talking rubbish in a pm
[19:30] <ikonia> I was disracted
[19:31] <genii> That guy bolt_ is a resource hog
[19:32] <ikonia> yes, I should have delt with #kubuntu and ignored him for a while - sorry
[19:44] <genii> I gotta go deal with some contractors here at work.
[19:46] <Flannel> ubottu: tell Gon about away
[19:59] <jussi01> lovely...
[20:02] <jussi01> loving the lack of services
[20:02] <Pici> ugh
[20:02] <jussi01> and I wouldnt have said that...
[20:03] <Pici> oh well.
[20:03] <Pricey> ping me if nastiness goes on
[20:24] <jussi01> Ive just opped up in case services die again - as they are backups. Il leave it that way for a while - feel free to deop me if you disagree...
[20:26] <Seeker`> :O
[20:50] <jussi01> Im procrastinating...
[20:50] <Pricey> jussi01: hmm?
[20:53] <jussi01> Pricey: Ive got to pack for my trip tomorrow...
[20:55] <Pricey> go pack then!
[20:55] <jussi01> hehe
[21:02] <genii> Geez, another trip so soon?
[21:04] <jussi01> genii: yeah..
[21:06] <genii> Wow.
[21:07]  * Pici sighs
[21:15] <genii> Bah /whois still offline can't deduce from hostmask what language channel to point someone at
[21:16] <Pricey>  /whos still offline?
[21:16] <Pricey> */whois
[21:16] <Pricey> genii: ^
[21:16] <Pici> genii: Eh? no its not
[21:16] <genii> For me it is
[21:16] <Pici> Just geoip.pl seems to fail for that fellow.
[21:16] <Pici> >>>>  geoip    : Satellite Provider
[21:16]  * Pici shrugs
[21:17] <genii> Weird
[21:18] <genii> Bah, nevermind. I did like:  /whois /theirname                         for some reason instead of /whois theirname
[21:38] <LjL>  /whois cannot be offline, it's not a service :o
[21:42] <LjL> just what happened with Kubrick? at a glance, netsplit users seem to be more or less back, but the server's still unconnectable
[21:43] <LjL> besides, wait, kubrick is not a leaf to begin with
[21:50] <LjL> urgh
[21:50] <LjL> also, why did people end up in -unregged?
[21:50] <LjL> i don't see any +r being set
[22:34] <ikonia> evening
[22:43] <Seeker`> hi
[22:44] <ikonia> howdy fellow uk'er
[22:45] <Seeker`> how be?
[22:45] <ikonia> good now I'm home, you ?
[22:46] <Seeker`> blah
[22:58] <ikonia> ThomasHC: how can we help again
[23:08] <ikonia> ThomasHC: you're going to have to discuss your ban at some point if you want it lifted rather than just keep joining here and leaving
[23:13] <ThomasHC> Sorry ikonia
[23:13] <ikonia> no problem
[23:13] <ThomasHC> Yes I would like to discuss that, sorry I was eating
[23:13] <ikonia> you've just been joining/parting for days
[23:13] <ThomasHC> Yeah sorry
[23:14] <ThomasHC> I've been sick.
[23:14] <ikonia> I'll just check who it was who banned you, I think it was pici
[23:14] <ThomasHC> Yes, it was Pici
[23:14] <ikonia> ooh cool,
[23:14] <ikonia> Pici: are you around
[23:15] <ikonia> I see you've been banned from a few channels
[23:16] <ThomasHC> I have?
[23:16] <ThomasHC> I only know of #Ubuntu
[23:16] <ikonia> yes, you where banned from #kubuntu too
[23:16] <ThomasHC> oh yes, My client was set to autoaway
[23:16] <ThomasHC> like this
[23:16] <ikonia> no it wasn't
[23:16] <ThomasHC> and it broadcasted it to the channel
[23:16] <ikonia> no it wasn't
[23:16] <ThomasHC> same reason for ban here
[23:16] <ThomasHC> what?
[23:16] <ThomasHC> I don't really remember
[23:16] <ikonia> ThomasHC: you keep being rude to people
[23:17] <ikonia> then arguing that you are not being rude
[23:17] <ThomasHC> Yes it bothered me a bit I could not do /away without being banned
[23:17] <ikonia> ThomasHC: and "auto away" messages of "fuck you ubuntu irc"
[23:17] <ikonia> really ?
[23:17]  * ThomasHC knows that
[23:17] <ikonia> ThomasHC: fuck you ubuntu irc ? really ?
[23:17] <ThomasHC> and I'm sorry
[23:17]  * ThomasHC is not kissing your foot though
[23:18] <ikonia> I'm not asking you to do anything, I'm looking at the situation
[23:18] <ThomasHC> Yes I know.
[23:19] <ikonia> I'll wait for pici to get back as I'm not comfortable removing the ban based on what I've seen
[23:19] <ThomasHC> I shouldn't think you would be
[23:20] <ikonia> it doesn't look like pici is around at the moment, so I guess you should pop back later on see if he's around
[23:20] <ThomasHC> I see
[23:20] <ikonia> he's normally around a lot so you must have caught him at an odd moment
[23:20] <ThomasHC> Thanks, ikonia
[23:20] <ikonia> no problem
[23:20] <ThomasHC> Is it alright to stay here? or should I leave the channel?
[23:20] <ikonia> best to leave an pop back in say an hour
[23:21] <ThomasHC> alright
[23:21] <ikonia> he's normally around, so I'm sure you'll catch him
[23:21] <ThomasHC> cya later
[23:21] <ThomasHC> and thanks
[23:27]  * genii sips
[23:27] <ikonia> is that secure coffee or insecure coffee ?
[23:30] <genii> ikonia: I don't put a lock on the coffeepot, if thats what you mean
[23:30] <ikonia> ;)
[23:31] <Seeker`> you should
[23:31] <Seeker`> someone might drink it or something otherwise
[23:31] <Pici> ikonia: Feel free to take care of the ban, whether you want to unban or not. I'm mostly afk right now.
[23:32] <ikonia> Pici: no problem
[23:32] <ikonia> thanks for letting me know
[23:34] <genii> Interesting.  I'm actually kind of sad the last one is in 20 minutes or so.
[23:39] <ikonia> yes, I have too
[23:39] <ikonia> some very informative discussions


[12:07] <mhz> robotgeek: thx. it seems I had not big problems (I thought I had)
[12:08] <robotgeek> mhz: no, it was alrite for the most part
[12:10] <mhz> cool
[12:10] <mhz> i feel better, more confident now, thx
[12:12] <robotgeek> mhz: glad to help
[12:13] <mhz> i can readproof spanish :D but that's not a service needed yet (at least, EdubuntuCookbook is still under developement)
[12:23] <LaserJock> hi theCore
[12:58] <theCore> LaserJock, hello
[01:01] <LaserJock> theCore: did you see the commit I did yesterday?
[01:03] <theCore> I can't, I had a crash this week after a power failure, and I still waiting for a new hard drive ( I'm currently on a LiveCD )
[01:04] <theCore> SCSI drives are so delicate...
[01:06] <robotgeek> i dunno if my patches have been committed
[01:07] <LaserJock> theCore: bummer, that really stinks
[01:23] <LaserJock> robotgeek_work: you can't tell from ubuntu-doc-commit?
[01:37] <seanSnyder> anyone there?
[01:37] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:37] <seanSnyder> can i ask some technical questions?
[01:38] <LaserJock> are they documentation related?
[01:38] <seanSnyder> no
[01:38] <seanSnyder> what channel should i join?
[01:38] <LaserJock> then probably #ubuntu is a  better
[01:38] <seanSnyder> coo, thanks
[01:39] <bshumate> sepa: try specifying the full path in the system() call, e.g. : system(/sbin/iptables)
[01:40] <bshumate> (try specifying the right channel) ;-)
[01:45] <robotgeek_work> LaserJock: hmm, it does not show up there, so i think it has not been committed
[01:46] <LaserJock> robotgeek: oh, is that the email with like 5 patches?
[01:46] <robotgeek> yeah
[01:47] <LaserJock> hmm, if it was a small thing I would do it but I think jjesse would probably be the guy to do it
[01:47] <robotgeek> LaserJock: it's just 5 patches, all small :)
[02:03] <LaserJock> robotgeek: done.
[02:03] <LaserJock> robotgeek: gotta go now
[02:03] <robotgeek> LaserJock_away: thanks
[03:24] <mhz> had you seen this 'initiative' ?  http://www.canon-europe.com/Support/Software/Linux/registration.asp?ComponentID=312222&SourcePageID=312225#1
[03:26] <jsgotangco> "if we release drivers matching your requirements"
[03:27] <jsgotangco> canon printers are so expensive though
[03:34] <mhz> jsgotangco: well, not in Chile
[03:34] <mhz> Epson is more expensive here
[03:34] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[03:34] <mhz> and Lexmarx is cheap and works okidoki
[03:34] <robotgeek> hey jsgotangco
[03:34] <mhz> jsgotangco: I finally got a PDF from the Education Magazine that issued my article on Edubuntu in December. It's in spanish so I wikied to ubuntu-cl.org  but do you think this should also be wikied in ubuntu ?
[03:34] <mhz> (they printed 5000)
[03:34] <mhz> (and it is distributed in schools for free)
[03:36] <jsgotangco> sure
[03:37] <LaserJock> robotgeek: did my commit work for you? I just changed one tiny thing
[03:38] <robotgeek> LaserJock: seemed to have worked, i changed a few more things again.
[03:39] <robotgeek> thanks for the commit
[03:39] <LaserJock> hopefully I don't get flogged for it ;-)
[03:40] <robotgeek> LaserJock: ah, no. it only messes with kubuntu desktop guide, so no i issues i think
[03:42] <LaserJock> robotgeek: well, if you need more patches tonight I will be away for about an hour and then I can do some more if you like
[03:43] <robotgeek> LaserJock: no, i think i'll hold on for a while, and complete this chapter
[03:43] <LaserJock> robotgeek: ok, np
[04:36] <Burgundavia> ok, C just emailed me about 1 min ago to ask if I had started writing yet. I just got home 1 min ago. Bloody telepathic gf
[04:36] <robotgeek> hey Burgundavia , writing what?
[04:37] <Burgundavia> robotgeek, an article on Ubuntu
[04:37] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: nice
[04:38] <robotgeek> i just moved to kubuntu, removed ubuntu. let's see how it goes :)
[04:38] <Burgundavia> gah, lost another one
[04:39] <robotgeek> most since i'm writing the desktop guide :)
[04:40] <Burgundavia> bah, Kubuntu ;)
[04:41] <robotgeek> the most irritating behaviour in gnome is that of rhyhtmbox, when you click the "x" button, it doesn't go to systray like rest of the apps (gaim, etc). it closes
[04:41] <robotgeek> i could quit ubuntu for that one reason!
[04:41] <Burgundavia> actually, that is a bug in gaim, not rb
[04:42] <Burgundavia> clicking X should close
[04:42] <robotgeek> Burgundavia: that's the systray plugin in gaim
[04:42] <Burgundavia> regardless, any X should close the application
[04:42] <robotgeek> i prefer the move to systray thing.
[04:43] <robotgeek> and hence, i use kde :)
[04:43] <Burgundavia> that an example of why I don't use KDE. Crazy defaults
[04:43] <Burgundavia> create another button for minimzing, don't overload the exit one
[04:44] <robotgeek> who ever quits their audio player? :)
[04:44] <Burgundavia> when they want to shutdown?
[04:44] <Burgundavia> or change tasks?
[04:45] <robotgeek> i guess we will end up arguing over personal preferences, let's leave it as it is :)
[04:45] <Burgundavia> actually, it is not about personal preferences
[04:45] <Burgundavia> it is looking at good defaults
[04:46] <robotgeek> i happen to like kde's default behaviour better
[05:27] <LaserJock> hi theCore
[05:27] <theCore> hello!
[05:28] <theCore> did you worked on the packaging guide?
[05:29] <LaserJock> yes, a little bit. I added a skeleton of the structure. Not really any content but it gives us more of an outline.
[05:32] <theCore> will try to check out just the packaging guide
[05:33] <LaserJock> yeah, doc.ubuntu.com has been updated since I did it
[05:38] <theCore> oh, you fixed the license
[05:39] <LaserJock> yes
[05:54] <LaserJock> theCore: so what do you think of my changes?
[05:55] <theCore> LaserJock, it is quite good
[05:55] <LaserJock> theCore: I changed it slightly from what is on UbuntuPackagingGuide but I think it will work better
[06:02] <theCore> LaserJock, ok I got a checkout
[06:03] <LaserJock> theCore: great, just the packaging guide?
[06:04] <theCore> yep
[06:06] <theCore> should we keep Ankur Kotwal as the creator of the guide ?
[06:07] <jsgotangco> you can probably have it as original author
[06:07] <jsgotangco> brb reboot
[06:08] <LaserJock> theCore: I thought I took him off, but I'm not sure what to do about authorship
[06:10] <LaserJock> theCore: oh, are you talking about the .omf file?
[06:10] <theCore> yes
[06:11] <theCore> can I add myself as a contributor ?
[06:11] <LaserJock> hmm, yes. I need to fix some stuff in there. The license is wrong too
[06:12] <theCore> I fixed it
[06:12] <theCore> I going to sent it to you but, anyway ...
[06:13] <LaserJock> the ok fine
[06:14] <theCore> what do you use for editing the .xml ?
[06:14] <theCore> vi ?
[06:15] <LaserJock> vim actually
[06:15] <LaserJock> I do a lot of editing from home so I need good CLI tools
[06:15] <theCore> vi and vim is quite the same ;)
[06:16] <theCore> on ubuntu at least
[06:20] <jsgotangco> has anyone experienced installing from a hard drive?
[06:22] <theCore> jsgotangco, what do you mean
[06:22] <jsgotangco> instead of using a CD, you boot from a HD to install
[06:23] <jsgotangco> fedora has this
[06:23] <jsgotangco> but ubuntu doesn't
[06:23] <theCore> it's the same as a cd isn't it ?
[06:23] <jsgotangco> well you can't just dump an iso to a drive then boot
[06:39] <LaserJock> theCore: ok, just commited some changes to bookinfo and the .omf
[06:42] <theCore> great, now I doesn't have anything to send you ;P
[06:44] <LaserJock> well get to work then ;-)
[06:44] <theCore> I will try to work on some intro stuff tomorrow
[06:47] <theCore> but I need to go bed, cya later
[06:47] <LaserJock> me too cya
[06:53] <LaserJock> I don't know if that is very updated
[06:54] <crimsun> haven't gotten to https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos yet, 'tis all
[06:56] <LaserJock> hmm, what do you guys think about this email to -doc about having the server documentation readable from a console (non-GUI)?
[06:57] <crimsun> sounds like a great idea, actually
[06:57] <crimsun> what format?
[06:58] <LaserJock> I don't know
[06:59] <LaserJock> but I got to thinking. A lot of people wouldn't necessarily have yelp or a browser around (except maybe lynx or something similar) if they are doing a server install
[07:08] <LaserJock> crimsun: if you have a minute could you look over http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html
[07:09] <crimsun> LaserJock: it's loaded, I'm just reading the instructions for svn
[07:09] <crimsun> I gotta learn the patch submission process ;-)
[07:11] <LaserJock> just use svn diff and send the patches to the mailing list
[07:35] <LaserJock> hmm, do you think we could make man pages for the server install. I wonder if something like docboock2x-man would work
[07:36] <crimsun> I was going to suggest man pages, heh
[07:37] <LaserJock> although an html file that was lynx friendly would probably work too
[08:07] <robitaille> humm...someone added a link to an article about Automatix on the Fridge...
[08:09] <jsgotangco> i thought fridge only allowed a few select to post?
[08:09] <Madpilot> the "Missing Batteries" news story?
[08:09] <robitaille> yes.  And it's Jeff who posted it
[08:10] <jsgotangco> robitaille, do you know newsvine.com?
[08:10] <jsgotangco> well its a PCWorld article...
[08:10] <robitaille> jsgotangco,  yes.  finally got an invitee a couple of days ago.  Haven't really played with it yet.
[08:10] <jsgotangco> robitaille, oh cool..i thought it was something that would fancy you
[08:10] <robitaille> :)
[08:12] <jsgotangco> oh great automatix
[08:12] <robotgeek> why do i come around when there's bad news?
[08:15] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, http://blog.madduck.net/travel/2006.01.27-airplane-security
[08:17] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: Transport Canada (and other bodies) have documented cases of standard pocket calculators screwing with nav/comm equipment in small aircraft
[08:17] <Madpilot> electronics are screwy, I guess
[08:17] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, that is what I remembered. I shall blog accordingly
[08:18] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: I can't cite, but I believe that the bandwidth that GPS operates in is also very, very susceptible to interference.
[08:19] <Madpilot> GPS signals are also very low-powered; GPS antenna are correspondingly sensitive...
[08:21] <Madpilot> "For those who care about not crashing"? :P
[08:42] <Burgundavia> why do I still beat my head against FF?
[08:43] <robitaille> you don't have to do....free software is all about freedom :)
[08:44] <Burgundavia> indeed, but I can't seem to get up the steam to actually install Epiphany on my machine
[08:45] <robitaille> I have tried Epiphany, and I can't seem to get the hang of it, and always go back to FF.
[08:45] <Burgundavia> yes, I found that at first, when I only tried it for 5 minutes
[08:45] <Burgundavia> then I tried it full time on my laptop and now I love it
[08:46] <Burgundavia> you have to stop thinking cludgy hacks
[08:46] <robitaille> I tried it for a few days then I gave up.  I have zero problem with FF, so might as well continue using it
[08:46] <Burgundavia> epiphany is advancing quite rapidly now, because they are freed from the burden of having to develop the backend, which is most time consuming part
[08:47] <Burgundavia> hmm, those statements are not casual
[08:47] <Burgundavia> causal
[08:48] <Burgundavia> better, being freed from developing a backend allows them to develop the frontend rapidly. They have also attracted new people
[08:49] <robitaille> which sounds very much for the argument the phoenix/firebird/firefox developpers were saying when developping it on top of the mozilla source code a couple of years ago :)
[08:49] <robitaille> s/for the argument/like the argument
[08:49] <Burgundavia> yes, and now FF is far from the light/fast browser (if it ever was)
[08:51] <robitaille> personally, I never thought it was that fast or light compared to Mozilla.  But I initially switched to it a few years back because I like its default look better than mozilla
[08:52] <Burgundavia> and for the windows crowd it is great
[08:52] <Burgundavia> it is just the right frontend for a gnome (or kde) distro
[08:52] <mdke> orning
[08:52] <Burgundavia> salut mdke
[08:52] <robitaille> hi mdke
[08:53] <Burgundavia> make that not the right frontend
[08:55] <robotgeek> morning mdke
[08:56] <mdke> no, orning
[08:56] <mdke> Madpilot, get your commit access?
[08:58] <Burgundavia> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=123569 <-- oh joy
[08:59] <Madpilot> mdke: I did, haven't even had a chance to de-GPG the message yet though
[09:01] <mdke> ok, good
[09:02] <mdke> Burgundavia, better vote :)
[09:02] <Madpilot> I wasn't really reading subject lines this morning when I got it, clicked, got this massive block of gibberish... took me a second to realize what it was!
[09:07] <mdke> i was thinking we should send out a poll for what tips should be included in the desktopguide
[09:07] <mdke> i don't follow the support forums/ml so I don't know what always comes up
[09:08] <Burgundavia> I don't there is anything large we are missing
[09:09] <mdke> no, but it would be nice to get the small things too
[09:09] <Burgundavia> you want to post something in the main help forum?
[09:09] <mdke> yeah
[09:09] <mdke> for example, how to get the location bar always displaying in nautilus is something I see a lot on the italian ML
[09:09] <mdke> i'll post when I get to work
[09:10] <mdke> its a way of getting people to read the WIP guide too, get feedback
[09:11] <mdke> -> work
[09:13] <Burgundavia> mdke, done
[09:13] <Burgundavia> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=123836
[09:22] <Madpilot> cool, someone added the "Documentation Team" tag to my ubuntuforum user info
[09:35] <Burgundavia> you know, more people should watch Jon Stewart. Watching him compare Oprah ripping apart that million author guy vs. the press pussy-footing around bush et. al was hilarious
[09:36] <robotgeek> Daily Show is great, so i Colbert Report
[09:36] <robotgeek> is*
[09:37] <Burgundavia> in a recent poll, most people between 20 and 25 get something liek three-quarters of their news via the Daily Show
[09:37] <Burgundavia> get their news (geez I am tired)
[09:38] <robotgeek> yeah, he seems to be the only guy asking the questions that must be asked
[09:38] <Madpilot> crap, I might have forgotten my GPG private password... dumb...
[09:39] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, store it somewhere, hardcopy
[09:39] <robotgeek> ouch
[09:40] <robotgeek> damn, i wasted one who day themeing kde, and it doesn't even look nice. *sigh*
[09:40] <Burgundavia> welcome to KDE
[09:40] <Burgundavia> and Kubuntu is praised for theming KDE fairly nicely
[09:41] <robotgeek> gnome's themeing seems to be very easy compared to this. i am trying this on breezy, so maybe it is known to suck.
[09:41] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: too late to store it, this is my current key... damn damn damn
[09:41] <robotgeek> Madpilot: did you create a revocation key initially?
[09:41] <Madpilot> robotgeek: I don't think so...
[09:42] <Madpilot> <-- utter noob to crypto... can you tell? :P
[09:42] <robotgeek> Madpilot: i'm not too experienced myself, i learnt quite a bit editing the GPGkey wiki article
[09:42] <Burgundavia> robotgeek, http://www.linclips.com/index.php?page=clip&id=21 <-- how to make gnome look hedious
[09:44] <robotgeek> looks like some crappy XP theme
[09:44] <Madpilot> blow it, I'll sleep on it and maybe my GPG password will come back to me...
[09:44] <robotgeek> i liked xubuntu the best, i must say. though my roomate had some difficulty using it
[09:44] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: "Linux XP"? Begging for a lawsuit, are they?
[09:44] <Burgundavia> interesting how gnome manages to be turned into a better XP copy than KDE, even though most people try and do the altter
[09:45] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, they are russian based
[09:46] <robotgeek> Madpilot: after you recollect, create a revocation key. The next time you forget it, you can revoke your key.
[09:46] <robotgeek> Madpilot: how many ppl have signed your key?
[09:46] <Burgundavia> robotgeek, AFAIK, none
[09:47] <Burgundavia> given that I am related to him and most of his linux/ubuntu stuff has happened through me
[09:47] <Madpilot> robotgeek: nobody so far, but it's on the keyservers
[09:47] <robotgeek> Madpilot: hmm, it would be worse if someone had signed it.
[09:50] <robotgeek> Madpilot: hopefully oyur password will come back to you
[09:51] <Madpilot> robotgeek: I'll keep bashing away at it... irritating, though
[10:01] <Burgundavia><EMAIL_ADDRESS>has been removed from ubuntu-users <--- hmm, wonder if this means anything
[10:03] <Burgundavia> night all
[10:33] <jsgotangco> :(
[10:33] <jsgotangco> sorry sir
[10:33] <mdke> shall I rename it?
[10:34] <mdke> otherwise, there is little point having reorganised the pages
[10:35] <jsgotangco> yeah
[10:35] <jsgotangco> please do
[10:35] <mdke> cool
[10:36] <mdke> i've created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Meeting as well
[10:37] <jsgotangco> thanks i won't do it next time o great one
[10:38] <mdke> heh
[01:45] <jsgotangco> argg en changes
[02:43] <jsgotangco> dum dum dee dum
[04:34] <jsgotangco> ugghhh the ff fonts in dapper look horrible in our website
[04:35] <jjesse> i actually dropped firefox and use only konq
[04:35] <jsgotangco> yeah but konq has some weird fancy rendering on text sometimes
[04:35] <jsgotangco> the most sane i use is actually epiphany
[04:36] <jsgotangco> brb i'll just boot back to breezy
[04:45] <jjesse> jsgotangco: w/ vmplayer i boot into breezy and for testing and working on docs i just use my vmplayer
[04:45] <jjesse> so i don't have to reboot
[04:46] <jsgotangco> nahh im too lazy to go to the other machine downstairs
[04:46] <jsgotangco> and this laptop has all 4 OS that i need
[04:52] <mdke> jsgotangco, which website?
[04:53] <jsgotangco> ubuntu.com
[04:53] <mdke> other websites are ok?
[04:54] <jsgotangco> haven't checked that much
[04:58] <mdke> maybe its a bug in our website
[08:19] <jjesse> simple question, can i just replace Ubuntu w/ Kubuntu in the kubuntu desktop guide?
[08:54] <k31th> yo guys
[08:54] <LaserJock> hi k31th
[08:56] <k31th> LaserJock: Just watching this video on google about ubuntu
[08:57] <LaserJock> I see
[08:57] <k31th> and the guy who started ubuntu, hes got the right ideal man
[08:57] <k31th> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1165754797197197496&q=ubuntu
[08:58] <LaserJock> oh yes I've seen that one, very inspiring to me
[08:58] <LaserJock> that was at Debconf5 I think
[08:59] <k31th> yeah its very good
[09:00] <k31th> guy i work with was like wat are you watching... then he was sat there watching it about 2 mins alter
[09:00] <k31th> followed by "im deff putting ubuntu on my laptop"
[09:00] <LaserJock> good
[09:00] <k31th> all my windows boxes are now ubuntu,
[09:02] <LaserJock> cool
[09:03] <k31th> all are servers are debain / will be debian
[09:03] <k31th> apart from samaba box as ubuntu worked with the sata card out of the box ( i was being lazy)
[09:03] <k31th> any way its about time i gave some thing back to this distro.
[09:04] <k31th> i need to start writing some docs. If im of any use
[09:04] <LaserJock> sure, we always welcome contribution
[09:04] <k31th> sweet, you guys have a mailing list ?
[09:04] <LaserJock> yes ubuntu-doc
[09:04] <LaserJock> look at lists.ubuntu.com
[09:05] <k31th> also how do i remove myself from the list as its filling my gmail up... i will create its own inbox at work
[09:05] <LaserJock> you can go to the list as if you were going to subscribe and there should be a place to unsubscribe at the bottom, I think
[09:05] <k31th> edubuntu is that education ?
[09:06] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:06] <k31th> Nice
[09:06] <LaserJock> like for use in schools, etc.
[09:06] <k31th> One of our clients is keen on linux
[09:06] <k31th> theres a school / college
[09:06] <k31th> 1500 users,
[09:06] <k31th> currently running CentOS as there server (dont ask )
[09:06] <LaserJock> edubuntu has some nice stuff
[09:07] <k31th> is it a desktop yes ?
[09:07] <LaserJock> they have a irc channel too I believe
[09:08] <k31th> nice
[09:09] <k31th> ill have a word with him when iv fixed his server :p
[09:09] <k31th> have to convert all the user accounts to ldap :(
[09:13] <k31th> its not emailing me :p
[09:16] <LaserJock> what?
[09:18] <k31th> the mailing list
[09:18] <k31th> trying to remove an email address atm
[09:19] <LaserJock> oh, sometimes it takes a long time
[09:20] <k31th> LaserJock: like waiting for email from MS Exchange :p
[09:20] <LaserJock> I wouldn't know ;-)
[09:22] <k31th> LaserJock: your lucky
[09:23] <k31th> im afraid i have to offer support fr such tripe
[09:23] <LaserJock> I've always used linux for work and such. I only use Windows at home.
[09:24] <k31th> LaserJock: games ?
[09:25] <LaserJock> probably about 50/50 don't do a whole lot of gaming though
[09:25] <k31th> all our server our linux, however we took over a bunch of clients and they used exchange
[09:25] <k31th> im slowly converting them
[09:26] <LaserJock> that's good
[09:27] <k31th> indeed
[09:27] <k31th> you heard about this goobuntu thing
[09:27] <k31th> googles own distro based on ubuntu
[09:29] <LaserJock> yeah, lots of questions about that today
[09:30] <k31th> yeah, they could just add support to ubuntu surly ?
[09:30] <LaserJock> I've heard it is just an internal thing for them to use
[09:31] <k31th> yeah same
[09:31] <k31th> according to the register
[09:32] <LaserJock> anyway, what areas of documentation would you be interested in?
[09:33] <k31th> well wat needs to be writen ?
[09:34] <LaserJock> everything ;-)
[09:34] <k31th> ha ha
[09:34] <LaserJock> it is an ongoing project
[09:34] <LaserJock> you can always proofread etc.
[09:34] <k31th> well wat is dapper looking like is it stable ?
[09:34] <LaserJock> the os or the docs?
[09:34] <k31th> os
[09:35] <k31th> i use ubuntu at home and at work and have used debian for a few years
[09:35] <LaserJock> well, hard to say exactly. I've been running it since ~October and haven't had too much problem
[09:35] <k31th> LaserJock: where you running it to ?
[09:36] <k31th> and to do wat ?
[09:36] <LaserJock> I use it for my desktop at work and do packaging on it
[09:36] <k31th> you see, im putting a webhead in a data center asap... ATM im thinking of putting debian on it
[09:37] <k31th> however i have a file server at work running ubuntu
[09:37] <k31th> so i could do some server based docs if you wish
[09:37] <LaserJock> yeah there is a server guide under way
[09:38] <k31th> is there some where i can look at what needs doing and pic some ? and a guide on how you want the docs writen etc
[09:38] <LaserJock> doc.ubuntu.com has the current documentation we are working on
[09:38] <k31th> nice
[09:38] <LaserJock> wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam should get you started
[09:39] <LaserJock> but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/GettingStarted has the info you are looking for
[09:40] <k31th> nice
[09:40] <k31th> ill get started right after i do this ldap thing :D
[09:41] <LaserJock> good, you can get the doc teams svn repo and make patches and then send them to the mailing list
[09:41] <LaserJock> that is the best way
[09:46] <k31th> kool
[10:07] <k31th> working on this RHE box is painfull
[10:35] <bazz-> hi all
[10:35] <bazz-> wouldn't it be nice to have an ftp/http/nfs based installer, just like in debian?
[10:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> not for most ppl.
[10:36] <bazz-> the thing with pxeboot, dhcpd, tftpd etc. is quite a lot of work
[10:36] <bazz-> ftp installs etc. would make it easier
[10:37] <jjesse> or for those that don't have high speed internet
[10:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> most ppl install ubuntu off cd. and dont need network install
[10:37] <bazz-> yes but a few do
[10:38] <bazz-> it's like one would say, most people use microsoft, why even bother trying linux
[10:38] <bazz-> ftp/http/nfs installs have always been there with debian, and even redhat
[10:39] <bazz-> at least a floppy disk which allows to boot an ubuntu installer would be a nice option imo
[10:39] <jjesse> dell no longer provides floppy drives
[10:39] <jjesse> have to pay extra
[10:39] <bazz-> well, a new dell should be able to handle a normal isntallation procedure
[10:40] <bazz-> i'm talking about older machines with troubles reading media etc.
[10:43] <bazz-> there's an article on the wiki, which points at the debian sarge install floppies
[10:43] <bazz-> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/WithFloppies?highlight=%28install%29
[10:52] <bazz-> anyways, i'd appreciate something like this could be done instead the really annoying and long procedure with tftpd and pxeboot
[10:53] <bazz-> *if
[10:53] <bazz-> laters
[10:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> later
[10:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> i just noticed somthing - the default page in firefox for dapper says "each release is supported for 18 months". should there be some comment that this release is one of the "some" that are  supported for longer?
[11:39] <collegeboy360> test test, is this working
[11:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> no :)
[11:40] <collegeboy360> is there anyone willing to give me a tip on install Ubunto
[11:40] <collegeboy360> lol
[11:40] <collegeboy360> every time I try to boot it, it show the Ubuntu logo, but it reboot the pc after I press enter
[11:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> you might want to try asking in #ubuntu itself, because theres more ppl in there who might be able to help
[11:42] <collegeboy360> oh, ok
[11:51] <k31th> anyone alive ?
[11:51] <robotgeek> yeah k31th
[11:52] <k31th> kool just looking at what stuff to write
[11:54] <robotgeek> k31th: you can help out with the kubuntu-docs, if you wish :)
[11:54] <k31th> robotgeek: watsup ?
[11:55] <k31th> i dont use kubuntu :D
[11:55] <robotgeek> heh, okay. i'll let you go then :)
[11:55] <k31th> well iv installed it in the past, just dont run it atm
[11:56] <robotgeek> k31th: the best thing to do would be to go to doc.ubuntu.com, look at a few ubuntu guides, and start sending in patches
[11:56] <k31th> nice


[03:19] <tonyyarusso> h00k: ping
[03:50] <tonyyarusso> h00k: nvm.  Although we haven't seen you much.  ;)
[03:50] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: Give h00k a break, he's got a wedding to plan!
[03:50] <tonyyarusso> psssh, in *summer*.
[03:51] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: It's not like you can just pull these things together overnight :)
[03:51] <tonyyarusso> Sure you can.
[03:53] <sparklehistory> And this is based on your vast experience in planning weddings?
[04:56]  * Takyoji wonders at what time tonyyarusso will arrive at the Penguins Unbound installfest
[04:57] <Takyoji> or anyone of this channel for that matter. :P
[05:03] <tonyyarusso> dunno
[05:14] <Takyoji> I'm wondering if I should be awkward and be there for a vast majority of the day or not
[05:21] <Takyoji> and I wonder how much throughput there is on the Ubuntu package mirrors within the few days after a new release
[05:27]  * Takyoji plays a game of "Will it boot? :D" and upgrades to 11.04
[05:35] <Takyoji> We'll see what happens to all my customization, and my dual-monitor setup
[18:00] <Takyoji> Welp, Unity is a "barrel of fun" and bugs yet
[18:01] <Takyoji> When you have your dual-monitor setup as "Seperate X screen", the second screen just shows the background, and you can't really do anything else.
[18:01] <Takyoji> Then I set it to TwinView (which I don't really want) and it somewhat works.
[18:02] <Takyoji> The gnome-panels all have black text on a dark grey gradient background.
[18:02] <Takyoji> I CANNOT configure gnome-panel whatsoever. Right-click on the panel is completely disabled.
[18:02] <Takyoji> My gnome-panel settings did not persist after upgrade
[18:04] <Takyoji> Also, dragging the window to the edge of the screen to resize it as half of it has a couple bugs, and has a handful of sizing and positioning bugs
[18:05] <Takyoji> There's also of course the logical issue of when you try dragging a window to an edge (intending it to resize for that half of the screen), but it's the edge between your two screens.
[18:07] <Takyoji> So being unable to configure the layout of my desktop WHATSOEVER is very constraining and doesn't let me configure it how I want. For example, before upgrade, I had a panel on the right of my screen, spanning about 80-120px horizontally, which had gnome-panel apps/widgets that would have realtime graphs of the CPU, RAM, load, harddrive activity, network activity, temperatures, etc.
[18:10] <Takyoji> Another thing is, the Unity panel is of course on the left-most of the screen, and if I'm trying to switch between applications on my right-most monitor, I have to move my cursor allllll the way to the left, to choose the application (or double click, and choose the window, if there's multiple windows of the same application running), and then move back over
[18:13] <Takyoji> I have a feeling the Penguins Unbound Ubuntu 11.04 installfest will really just be people fleeing from Ubuntu. xP
[20:23] <fisch246> well i think i'll just represent this team when i go to school and start up my LUG's...
[20:24] <fisch246> if they want support, just point them to the respective support channel or wiki that they need
[22:03] <fisch246> tonyyarusso: that sound alright to you?


[21:14] <mdke> kirkland: around?
[21:14] <kirkland> mdke: for a few minutes
[21:14] <mdke> kirkland: ah, ok. Another time then :)
[21:14] <kirkland> mdke: i was just looking at the search stuff
[21:15] <kirkland> mdke: i have about 15 or so
[21:15] <mdke> ah, that will be enough
[21:15] <kirkland> mdke: then i have to bring the dog to the vet ;-)
[21:15] <mdke> :(
[21:15] <mdke> i was going to ask about how to plug the search into a page so that maybe I can work at building it into the themes for help.u.c
[21:15] <mdke> I tried building it into the Moin theme, but didn't get that far
[21:16] <kirkland> mdke: ah, sure, it's pretty straightforward
[21:16] <mdke> I got it into the page alright, just didn't understand how to generate the results
[21:16] <kirkland> mdke: so where do you want the results?
[21:16] <kirkland> mdke: on a special "search results" page?
[21:17] <mdke> I guess so, what are the alternatives
[21:17] <mdke> ?
[21:17] <kirkland> http://people.ubuntu.com/~kirkland/search.html
[21:17] <kirkland> mdke: that's all on the same page
[21:17] <kirkland> mdke: search for a term, and you'll just see the results inserted into the page
[21:17] <kirkland> mdke: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/
[21:18] <kirkland> mdke: that one has the search box in the header, and the result return on a separate search page
[21:18] <mdke> that's the one we want
[21:18] <kirkland> mdke: (use the text search)
[21:18] <kirkland> mdke: okay....
[21:18] <kirkland> mdke: see the code for the ubuntu-manpage-repository
[21:18] <kirkland> mdke: bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manpage-repository
[21:19] <mdke> ok
[21:19] <kirkland> mdke: so you have the search box already in the header?
[21:19] <kirkland> mdke: or do i need to show you how to do that?
[21:20] <kirkland> mdke: what will be the page where search results will appear?
[21:20] <kirkland> mdke: it can be simple html
[21:20] <mdke> yes, I have that
[21:20] <kirkland> mdke: http://help.ubuntu.com/search.html ?
[21:20] <mdke> I guess we need to create a page on help.ubuntu.com for all search results
[21:20] <mdke> exactly
[21:21] <kirkland> mdke: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/57136/
[21:21] <kirkland> mdke: that's what goes in the header
[21:21] <kirkland> note the form action= bit
[21:21] <mdke> yeah, that's the thing I have
[21:21] <kirkland> mdke: modify that if you decide on a different destination for the search results
[21:21] <mdke> plus some javascript
[21:21] <mdke> i mean, some more javascript
[21:22] <kirkland> mdke: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/57138/
[21:22] <mdke> I was trying to figure out how to narrow the search bar a bit, but I think I can just checkout the source of manpages.ubuntu.com and figure it out
[21:22] <kirkland> mdke: put that where you want the results
[21:23] <mdke> ahh.
[21:23] <kirkland> mdke: just change size="22" in the text box input element
[21:23] <mdke> magnificent
[21:23] <mdke> ok, thanks a bunch
[21:23] <kirkland> mdke: all the code for managing the indexed sites, priorities, etc. is hosted on the google CSE site
[21:24] <kirkland> mdke: i tried to set it up for us to share access, but i'm not sure we ever got that working properly
[21:24] <mdke> yes, I suspect that that bit will have to be left to you :)
[21:24] <kirkland> mdke: i can try to transfer it to you, or you can trust me to it ;-)
[21:24] <mdke> as long as you're willing, then I'm more than happy :)
[21:24] <kirkland> mdke: nice, i think we're good then
[21:24] <mdke> great, thanks a lot
[21:24] <mdke> good luck with the dog, hope all goes well
[21:25] <kirkland> mdke: np.  is it working?
[21:25] <mdke> I'll give it a shot later...
[21:25] <kirkland> mdke: thanks, he has a cut on the pad of his foot that hasn't healed in a couple of weeks
[21:25] <kirkland> k
[21:58] <mdke> kirkland: for later - http://doc.ubuntu.com/~mdke/search.html - getting there...