[15:58]  * beisner stretches
[16:00] <coreycb> o/
[16:00] <beisner> o/ good morning
[16:00] <gnuoy> o/
[16:00] <kickinz1> o/
[16:00] <lutostag> o/
[16:00] <smb> o/
[16:00] <beisner> here we go!
[16:00] <beisner> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jun 17 16:01:15 2014 UTC.  The chair is beisner. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:01] <beisner> greetings, all.
[16:01] <beisner> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:01] <rharper> o/
[16:01]  * beisner looks..
[16:01] <beisner> I don't think there were any action items from the prev mtg.
[16:02] <beisner> #topic Utopic Development
[16:02] <gaughen> o/
[16:02] <beisner> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule
[16:03] <beisner> So, Feature Definition Freeze is this Thu 6/19.
[16:03] <gaughen> jamespage, smoser do we need anything for feature definition freeze?
[16:04]  * jamespage stops writing blog post - time got away with me
[16:04] <beisner> smoser had to step out for a bit.
[16:04] <jamespage> gaughen, we need to get all our BP's up-to-date and approved
[16:04] <gaughen> jamespage, awesome. nag email sent yesterday.
[16:04]  * beisner remembers gaughen's email nudge on that topic
[16:05] <beisner> UOS fka vUDS was last week.
[16:05] <beisner> Any discussion around UOS sessions/outcomes?
[16:05]  * jamespage puts some time aside to work on that
[16:06] <gaughen> beisner, blueprints are getting updated with any thing that came out of it
[16:06] <beisner> yep, some good sessions last week.
[16:06] <beisner> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:06] <beisner> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-u-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:07] <beisner> we have 3 high importance bugs
[16:07] <beisner> bug 1319555
[16:07] <coreycb> beisner, we still need to get that report updated - it's from may 19
[16:07]  * beisner refreshes...
[16:07] <coreycb> I'm not sure how to do that
[16:07] <beisner> #action refresh bug list
[16:07] <meetingology> ACTION: refresh bug list
[16:08] <beisner> well hmm.
[16:09] <beisner> so, we had 3 high importance bugs on 5/19.  ;)
[16:10] <beisner> ...
[16:13] <beisner> ok we're updating the report so we can have fresh bread.
[16:13] <jamespage> beisner, I'd move on for now
[16:13] <beisner> ack, moving along
[16:13] <beisner> #subtopic Blueprints
[16:14] <beisner> #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-u/group/topic-u-server.html
[16:15] <beisner> as mentioned a few minutes ago, BPs are being updated by the team.
[16:15] <beisner> gaughen, any add'l words on BPs?
[16:15] <gaughen> get them done, people
[16:15] <gaughen> that is all I have to say
[16:16] <beisner> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:16] <beisner> caribou, anything to note?
[16:17] <beisner> caribou may be out today.  next topic.
[16:18] <beisner> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (psivaa)
[16:18] <psivaa> beisner: nothing much to report on the server smoke tests side.
[16:18] <psivaa> beisner: we've had some jenkins issues for the last couple of days but are fixed now.
[16:18] <beisner> psivaa, cool, appreciate it!
[16:18] <beisner> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee)
[16:18] <smb> Only a note that I played around with uvtool and added some rudimentary Xen (HVM) support. rbasak how do you prefer to receive contributions (debdiff?)? :) Apart from that, has anybody questions, requests? Oh, hallyn_ , I think I forgot to get back about pygrub apparmor rule for libvirt. I should have the bug somehwere will get back there. Sorry for the delay.
[16:19] <rbasak> smb: merge proposal please!
[16:19] <smb> rbasak, Oh now, that means I have to use bzr...
[16:19] <smb> ugh
[16:19] <rbasak> smb: I am behind on them mind - I've been busy with other priorities, but I will get to it.
[16:19] <rbasak> smb: if that's a pain then a patch is fine. I'll sort it :)
[16:20] <smb> rbasak, I will give the merge proposal a try
[16:20] <smb> You know we love to whine
[16:21] <beisner> rbasak, smb, sounds like you will sort it out.  need an 'action' reminder?
[16:21] <smb> beisner, Not necessarily
[16:21] <rbasak> beisner: thanks. I don't think so.
[16:21] <beisner> yup.  thanks, moving on.
[16:21] <beisner> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:22] <beisner> no upcoming events that I'm aware of - anyone have something to hilight?
[16:22] <beisner> ...
[16:22] <beisner> ..
[16:22] <beisner> .
[16:23] <beisner> #topic Open Discussion
[16:23] <beisner> new topics, discussion, funnies?
[16:23] <beisner> #topic Announce next meeting date and time
[16:24] <beisner> ok, same place, same time, next week, right?
[16:25] <arosales> thanks beisner
[16:25] <beisner> Next meeting:  Tue 6/24 1600 UTC
[16:25] <gnuoy> thanks beisner
[16:25] <beisner> sure thing!  thanks, everyone.  have a great day!
[16:25] <kickinz1> thanks
[16:25] <beisner> #endmeeting
[16:25] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jun 17 16:26:20 2014 UTC.
[16:25] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-06-17-16.01.moin.txt
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jun 17 17:00:34 2014 UTC.  The chair is jsalisbury. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:00] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Utopic
[17:00] <cking> o/
[17:00] <arges> o/
[17:00] <ogasawara> o/
[17:00] <smb> o/
[17:00] <sforshee> o/
[17:00] <ppisati_> o/
[17:00] <apw> o/
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)
[17:01] <ppisati_> Nothing new to report this week
[17:01] <ppisati_> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:01] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:01] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara)
[17:01] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://launchpad.net/~canonical-kernel-distro-team/+upcomingwork
[17:01] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-u/canonical-kernel-distro-team.html
[17:01] <ogasawara> || apw       || core-1405-kernel || 2 work items ||
[17:01] <ogasawara> || ogasawara || core-1405-kernel || 2 work items ||
[17:01] <ogasawara> I'd note that this section of the meeting is becoming less and less
[17:01] <ogasawara> useful to me in its current form.  I'd like to take a vote to skip this
[17:01] <ogasawara> section until I/we can find a better solution.  All in favor (ie +1)?
[17:01] <ogasawara> I'll take silence as agreement as well :)
[17:01] <ppisati_> +1
[17:01] <jsalisbury> +1
[17:02] <rtg> +1
[17:02] <ogasawara> ok, motion passed.
[17:02] <ogasawara> ..
[17:02] <ppisati_> (actually the same could be said for the ARM status part since support it's part of generic now FWIW)
[17:02] <ppisati_> ops
[17:02] <ogasawara> I'm ok dropping ARM Status to then
[17:03] <ogasawara> jsalisbury: we can move on
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Utopic Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:03] <ogasawara> We have rebased our Utopic kernel to v3.15 final and uploaded
[17:03] <ogasawara> (3.15.0-6.11).  As noted in previous meetings, we are planning on
[17:03] <ogasawara> converging on the v3.16 kernel for Utopic.  We have started tracking
[17:03] <ogasawara> v3.16-rc1 in our "unstable" ubuntu-utopic branch.  We'll let this
[17:03] <ogasawara> marinate and bake for a bit before we do an official v3.16 based upload
[17:03] <ogasawara> to the archive.
[17:03] <ogasawara> -----
[17:03] <ogasawara> Important upcoming dates:
[17:03] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule
[17:03] <ogasawara> Thurs Jun 26 - Alpha 1 (~1 week away)
[17:03] <ogasawara> Fri Jun 27 - Kernel Freeze for 12.04.5 and 14.04.1 (~1 week away)
[17:03] <ogasawara> Thurs Jul 31 - Alpha 2 (~6 weeks away)
[17:04] <ogasawara> ..
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's
[17:04] <jsalisbury> The current CVE status can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:04] <jsalisbury> http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html
[17:04] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Trusty/Saucy/Precise/Lucid (bjf/henrix/kamal/arges)
[17:04] <jsalisbury> Status for the main kernels, until today (May. 6):
[17:04] <jsalisbury>   *   Lucid - Verification and Testing
[17:04] <jsalisbury>   * Precise - Verification and Testing
[17:04] <jsalisbury>   *   Saucy - Verification and Testing
[17:04] <jsalisbury>   *  Trusty - Verification and Testing
[17:04] <jsalisbury> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:04] <jsalisbury>   * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:04] <jsalisbury> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:04] <jsalisbury>   * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html
[17:04] <jsalisbury> Schedule:
[17:04] <jsalisbury> cycle: 08-Jun through 28-Jun
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [17:04] <jsalisbury>          06-Jun   Last day for kernel commits for this cycle
[17:04] <jsalisbury> 08-Jun - 14-Jun   Kernel prep week.
[17:04] <jsalisbury> 15-Jun - 21-Jun   Bug verification & Regression testing.
[17:05] <jsalisbury> 22-Jun - 28-Jun   Regression testing & Release to -updates.
[17:05] <jsalisbury> 14.04.1 cycle: 29-Jun through 07-Aug
[17:05] <jsalisbury> [17:05] <jsalisbury>          27-Jun   Last day for kernel commits for this cycle
[17:05] <jsalisbury> 29-Jun - 05-Jul   Kernel prep week.
[17:05] <jsalisbury> 06-Jul - 12-Jul   Bug verification & Regression testing.
[17:05] <jsalisbury> 13-Jul - 19-Jul   Regression testing & Release to -updates.
[17:05] <jsalisbury> 20-Jul - 24-Jul   Release prep
[17:05] <jsalisbury>          24-Jul   14.04.1 Release [1]
[17:05] <jsalisbury>          07-Aug   12.04.5 Release [2]
[17:05] <jsalisbury> [1] This will be the very last kernels for lts-backport-quantal, lts-backport-raring,
[17:05] <jsalisbury>     and lts-backport-saucy.
[17:05] <jsalisbury> [2] This will be the lts-backport-trusty kernel as the default in the precise point
[17:05] <jsalisbury>     release iso.
[17:05] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:05] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:05] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:05] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:05] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jun 17 17:06:13 2014 UTC.
[17:05] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-06-17-17.00.moin.txt
[19:57] <Jason_Jang-KO> hi~ Work^Seony Good morning??
[19:59] <PabloRubianes> hi Jason_Jang-KO
[20:00] <Jason_Jang-KO> hi~ PabloRubianes !!
[20:00] <costales> Hi!
[20:01] <PabloRubianes> Jason_Jang-KO: I'm looking for the rest of the LoCo Counil
[20:01] <PabloRubianes> council*
[20:01] <PabloRubianes> !lococouncil
[20:01] <costales> Hi PabloRubianes :) Hi Jason_Jang-KO :)
[20:01] <SergioMeneses> hello everybody!
[20:02] <costales> SergioMeneses, \o/
[20:02] <jose> hello
[20:03] <Jason_Jang-KO> o/
[20:03] <KyulingLee> hello~
[20:03] <igxactly> hello :)
[20:03] <Work^Seony> Hi guys
[20:04] <jose> #startmeeting
[20:04] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jun 17 20:05:13 2014 UTC.  The chair is jose. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[20:05] <jose> welcome to another LC meeting
[20:05] <jose> #topic LoCo Council meeting, 17 Jun 2014
[20:06] <jose> so, the agenda for today has the reverification of the Korean team
[20:06] <jose> #subtopic Ubuntu-KO Re-Verification
[20:07] <Jason_Jang-KO> THX for incoming. We are here.
[20:07] <jose> all people from the Korean team say hi
[20:07] <Jason_Jang-KO> hi~
[20:07] <SergioMeneses> welcome ubuntu-ko!
[20:07] <drake_kr> hi :D
[20:07] <PabloRubianes> welcome Korea!
[20:07] <igxactly> hi again 😃
[20:08] <jose> cool
[20:09] <costales> Hi (again)
[20:09] <jose> anything to say/ask?
[20:09] <Jason_Jang-KO> welcome costales
[20:09] <costales> Thanks Jason_Jang-KO
[20:09] <KyulingLee> hello~ (again)
[20:09] <SergioMeneses> ubuntu-ko can you tell us how is your team working?
[20:09] <PabloRubianes> Jason_Jang-KO: how is the team doing?
[20:10] <Jason_Jang-KO> Hm...wait please. i'm sorry
[20:10] <Work^Seony> We're working good as we've planned.
[20:10] <Work^Seony> Everything looks going properly, and we've uploaded recorded video from our public events.
[20:11] <PabloRubianes> Work^Seony: well done
[20:11] <jose> do you have a link to any of those videos?
[20:11] <Jason_Jang-KO> I introduce ;  Work^Seony = contact of Korean LoCo team.
[20:12] <Work^Seony> jose, sure.  our team leader, drake_kr will show them.
[20:12] <PabloRubianes> Jason_Jang-KO: thanks!
[20:12] <SergioMeneses> nice!
[20:12] <drake_kr> Here it is. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KoreanTeam/activities/14
[20:12] <jose> I don't see any videos there
[20:13] <Work^Seony> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_u2ESJwXJY
[20:13] <Jason_Jang-KO> least +5 links in above page.
[20:13] <Work^Seony> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7qfQTq6SYk
[20:14] <jose> oh, I missed those
[20:14] <jose> thanks
[20:14] <jose> are there any reasons why the meetings are not in the LoCo Team Portal?
[20:14] <Jason_Jang-KO> U R welcome, jose
[20:16] <Jason_Jang-KO> i knew that there's a meeting, sorry. jose
[20:16] <costales> How is working your Facebook page? :) https://www.facebook.com/groups/ubuntu.ko
[20:16] <Work^Seony> do we allow to post or edit the loco team portal page?
[20:16] <jose> I just wanted to know if you guys have any feedback related to the LoCo Team Portal
[20:17] <jose> you are allowed, that is why your page is there
[20:17] <Work^Seony> costales, sadly, the facebook page is the most active community even though we've pushed users to use our own community website.
[20:17] <SergioMeneses> looks like you have a lot of fun!
[20:18] <costales> Yes, It's fine for me :) We have to go where the users are! not the users to us :P
[20:18] <Work^Seony> yea, we do
[20:18] <PabloRubianes> Work^Seony: the LoCo portal is a good way to record you meeting history and plan future meetings
[20:18] <Work^Seony> PabloRubianes, I see.  Actually, no one knows about it.  We'll do.
[20:19] <PabloRubianes> Work^Seony: if you want, we can help you with that
[20:19] <PabloRubianes> you can use both Facebook and the loco portal
[20:21] <costales> alehop!
[20:21] <jose> any other questions?
[20:21] <costales> I didn't see Install Parties
[20:21] <Work^Seony> PabloRubianes, I appreciate your help.  Please let me know how to do it, or you can give me a link for manual or anything helps.
[20:21] <PabloRubianes> everybody back?
[20:21] <costales> Maybe am I missing a link?
[20:21] <jose> Work^Seony: we'll surely guide you on that later today
[20:21] <costales> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KoreanTeam/activities
[20:22] <Work^Seony> jose, Thanks.  Can I ask a question not related to today topic?
[20:22] <Jason_Jang-KO> THX so much, jose
[20:22] <jose> Work^Seony: I would prefer not now
[20:22] <Work^Seony> ok
[20:23] <costales> Work^Seony, are there install parties? :)
[20:23] <Work^Seony> costales, That page is what we've updated everything.
[20:23] <Work^Seony> What do you mean, "install parties"?
[20:23] <costales> ops, sorry
[20:23] <costales> release parties
[20:24] <costales> when you celebrate a new Ubuntu release
[20:24] <costales> :)
[20:24] <Work^Seony> oh yes we did, but there was a story.
[20:24] <costales> or an Ubuntu Hour, where you take a drink with other users :D
[20:25] <costales> :) what happened? :)
[20:25] <Jason_Jang-KO> maybe ;  http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-ko/2788-ubuntu-1404-launching-party/
[20:25] <Work^Seony> as everyone knows, our Reverification application has been pending, and therefore we were not able to request CD/DVDs.
[20:25] <costales> thanks for the link :D I didn't see it :$
[20:25] <Work^Seony> We had the party without any 14.04 DVDs
[20:25] <costales> Place Support : Microsoft Korea :D
[20:25] <Work^Seony> funny ;)
[20:25] <costales> > : )
[20:25] <Jason_Jang-KO> ^^
[20:26] <KyulingLee> :)
[20:26] <drake_kr> Hand maid mini-DVD shared by me :)
[20:26] <igxactly> yes it was :)
[20:26] <jose> any other questions?
[20:26] <Work^Seony> s/maid/made
[20:26] <PabloRubianes> no me jose
[20:26] <Work^Seony> other questions related to today topic only?
[20:26] <PabloRubianes> not*
[20:26] <costales> No me jose :)
[20:27] <SergioMeneses> all good here!
[20:27] <Work^Seony> thanks everyone.
[20:27] <jose> #vote Ubuntu-KO Re-Verification
[20:27] <meetingology> Please vote on: Ubuntu-KO Re-Verification
[20:27] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[20:27] <jose> #voters PabloRubianes costales SergioMeneses jose
[20:27] <meetingology> Current voters: PabloRubianes SergioMeneses costales jose
[20:27] <PabloRubianes> +1
[20:27] <meetingology> +1 received from PabloRubianes
[20:27] <costales> +1
[20:28] <meetingology> +1 received from costales
[20:28] <SergioMeneses> +1 congrats!
[20:28] <meetingology> +1 congrats! received from SergioMeneses
[20:28] <jose> +1
[20:28] <meetingology> +1 received from jose
[20:28] <jose> #endvote
[20:28] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Ubuntu-KO Re-Verification
[20:28] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:28] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:28] <jose> congratulations.
[20:28] <PabloRubianes> congrats Korean Team
[20:28] <costales> Congratulations and thank you team! Well done! Please, keep your hard work in the future :D
[20:29] <Jason_Jang-KO> THX, every one.
[20:29] <costales> Jason_Jang-KO, |o/
[20:29] <Jason_Jang-KO> ok, we will
[20:29] <drake_kr> thank you very much gentlemen
[20:29] <KyulingLee> thank you very much~
[20:29] <jose> please, one of the administrators will need to confirm the addition to the team
[20:29] <igxactly> Thanks very much again :)
[20:30] <jose> since there are no other agenda items, this is all for today, thanks
[20:30] <jose> #endmeeting
[20:30] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jun 17 20:30:33 2014 UTC.
[20:30] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-06-17-20.05.moin.txt
[20:30] <jose> #voters everyone
[20:30] <jose> Work^Seony: you had a question?
[20:30] <costales> Thanks you jose !
[20:30] <Work^Seony> jose, yes, one question.
[20:30] <jose> go ahead
[20:30] <Work^Seony> Korean team has requested to change our DNS for a couple years via RT, but it has never happened.
[20:31] <Work^Seony> even no one took the ticket.
[20:31] <Work^Seony> Am I supposed to ask this here?
[20:31] <Work^Seony> Or should I request on RT, again?
[20:31] <jose> Work^Seony: let me know the RT ticket number and I will make sure to get it processed
[20:31] <Work^Seony> sure, give me one sec.
[20:32] <costales> I have to go. I'm so sorry :$
[20:32] <costales> Good night everybody!
[20:32] <Jason_Jang-KO> Good D, costales
[20:32] <costales> Jason_Jang-KO, ;) :D
[20:33] <igxactly> Have a nice day :-) costales
[20:33] <SergioMeneses> congrats ubuntu-ko
[20:33] <SergioMeneses> :D
[20:33] <Work^Seony> 18364, 18764, 16798
[20:33] <jose> drake_kr: can I please have the invitation accepted?
[20:33] <jose> Work^Seony: thanks, will take a look
[20:33] <Jason_Jang-KO> thanks forks, and members of Council.
[20:34] <Work^Seony> I have one more ticket
[20:34] <Work^Seony> 22564
[20:34] <Work^Seony> this ticket was created in last year
[20:34] <Work^Seony> jose, I appreciate your help.
[20:35] <jose> not a problem
[20:35] <jose> taking a look now
[20:36] <jose> Work^Seony: all tickets have been replied and resolved except the last one where you never replied
[20:36] <jose> I would expect someone to reply before continuing to resolve an issue
[20:36] <Work^Seony> I see.  So, if I create a ticket again, then it will really solve our DNS request.
[20:36] <Work^Seony> hopefully
[20:37] <jose> Work^Seony: no
[20:37] <jose> Work^Seony: reply to the actual one. stop creating multiple tickets like you have done in the past because it only reflects that you don't read your emails
[20:37] <drake_kr> i did not have any invitation
[20:37] <jose> drake_kr: the team has been invited to ~locoteams-verified
[20:37] <Work^Seony> gotcha
[20:40] <igxactly> how, where and when can we confirm the invitation?, jose
[20:41] <Jason_Jang-KO> jose: I'm a former contact 2009~2012. And We, korean No one received any mail of ~locoteams-verified.
[20:41] <jose> igxactly: only team admins are allowed to
[20:42] <jose> request the team to be added to ~locoteams-verified on launchpad if you're an admin
[20:42] <Jason_Jang-KO> Ah! ok. i C
[20:43] <igxactly> thx jose, i am understanding your saying as our team admin have to check out the launchpad
[20:44] <jose> correct.
[20:44] <Jason_Jang-KO> please, jose : U mean at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-lococouncil . right?
[20:44] <jose> no
[20:44] <Work^Seony> http://launchpad.net/~locoteams-verified
[20:44] <jose> yes
[20:44] <jose> that last one
[20:45] <Jason_Jang-KO> ok, thanks
[20:45] <Jason_Jang-KO> drake_kr: got it ?
[20:46] <igxactly> we have to check out ~locoteams-verified on launchpad, drake_kr
[20:46] <drake_kr> you got it
[20:47] <jose> drake_kr: I meant the team, not you
[20:48] <drake_kr> oh sorry
[20:48] <drake_kr> i just got message "Ubuntu Korean Team has been added to this team because of an existing invite."
[20:48] <jose> add the team to the team
[20:48] <jose> hmm
[20:48] <jose> that looks good to me
[20:49] <jose> looks like you guys are in there now
[20:49] <jose> thank you
[20:50] <Jason_Jang-KO> Thanks again, jose. then we finished?
[20:50] <jose> yep
[20:50] <Work^Seony> Thanks.  We look all done.
[20:50] <Work^Seony> Thank you for your help.
[20:50] <Jason_Jang-KO> good night !! C U soon.
[20:51] <igxactly> thanks again jose! see you~
[20:51] <jose> enjoy your day
[20:52] <KyulingLee> thank you today~ see you again~
[20:52] <drake_kr> thank you very much


[06:58] <uebera||> Is this the right place to ask whether/when the Canonical Livepatch Service will cover the Ubuntu 18.04 LTS (GA) kernels? https://www.ubuntu.com/server/livepatch (and the datasheet you can download) does not contain any details. (Which is a bit of a pity.)


[00:00] <apachelogger> ScottK: kde bug 326170, kde bug 326172, kde bug 326173, kde bug 326175
[00:01] <apachelogger> oh actually I think I know why discover is not used for update management
[00:02] <apachelogger> it probably has no support for release updates :P
[00:03] <apachelogger> of course now is a bad time to check because there is no dev series ^^
[01:56] <valorie> gosh, ubuntu is still refusing connections on the torrents page
[01:56] <valorie> picky picky picky
[02:04] <ScottK> apachelogger: But wait.  There's more:  KDE Bug 326176, KDE Bug 326177, KDE Bug 326178
[03:08] <ahoneybun> howdy
[04:14] <Jekyll> any idea about https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=306344 ?
[04:20] <valorie> Jekyll: jontheechidna hasn't been around much in IRC recently
[04:20] <valorie> I assume he'll respond on the bug
[04:33] <seaLne> ScottK: when you were getting those problems with muon did you check if there was a lock file in place, can't remember the location but the generic one that also stops apt-get. That turned out to be why muon wasn't appearing to do anything for me, apart from making the system tray icon appear
[05:05] <ScottK> seaLne: There are times where it is, in fact updating, so it's not locked.
[05:11] <seaLne> ok, just thought i'd say incase it was related. mine most likely just got upset at some point
[05:16]  * valorie shares the Hennessey around the channel
[05:18] <valorie> buntu torrent server still refusing connections
[08:38] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1240951 for sru review
[09:36] <apachelogger> ScottK: you make it look as if the updater was entirely broken :P
[09:36] <soee> good morning
[10:10] <Riddell> there's a new plasma-nm, do we do an SRU which might fix our crash on upgrade or not bother since it's faffy to upgrade back to the old kded and plasmoid names
[10:10] <Riddell> bug 1231360
[10:12] <Riddell> hmm muon upgrader says my system is up to date when I know there's new stuff that could be installed
[10:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: we went on abug reprot spree on updater yesterday
[10:41] <apachelogger> there's quite some issues
[10:42] <apachelogger> and as for plasma-nm, I'd look into how reliably we can roll users to the new names
[10:42] <apachelogger> if there is a tiny chance it can go wrong I'd use a different approach
[10:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: what I have been thinking about... if the plasma-nm people planon doing another release before the end of the year we may want to SRU that as well, so to enable that I'd pick the new plasma-nm and patch it the other way around (i.e. lower version and patch names of kded/applet to match what we have)
[10:44] <apachelogger> s/planon/planing on/
[10:44] <kubotu> apachelogger meant: "Riddell: what I have been thinking about... if the plasma-nm people planing on doing another release before the end of the year we may want to SRU that as well, so to enable that I'd pick the new plasma-nm and patch it the other way around (i.e. lower version and patch names of kded/applet to match what we have)"
[11:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: why would we want to patch names to what we currently have?
[12:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: Quintasan: did either of you look at the telepathy PPA? david queries it a while ago and I don't know if anyone got back to him
[12:06] <Riddell> !newversion calligra 2.7.4
[12:06] <Riddell> hmm
[12:06] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion calligra 2.7.4
[12:06] <Riddell> ...
[12:06] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1241536
[12:06] <Riddell> yay :)
[12:27] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun is applying for Kubuntu membership, nice
[12:28] <Riddell> awooga
[12:31] <smartboyhw> He will probably get a cleaner vote than mine:P
[12:34] <Riddell> I think we were all happy to have you as a member
[12:35] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I don't know why, but everytime I apply for such membership/developer stuff it doesn't go as good as I wished (LOL)
[12:42] <Riddell> smartboyhw: well we're very glad to have you!
[12:44] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I know, just hoping that ahoneybun gets the application very good;P
[12:58] <agateau> Riddell: I have a fix for the "back-button-of-death" bug in Ubiquity. Have you filed a bug on LP?
[12:59] <Riddell> agateau: oh cool, yeah hang on
[12:59] <Riddell> bug 1240859
[12:59] <Riddell> agateau: ↑
[13:00] <agateau> Riddell: ok, thanks
[13:02] <agateau> the bug was not related to wireless, it just happens that (I guess) wireless is the first time we have a skippable page in the kde ui
[13:02] <Riddell> yeah
[13:03] <agateau> my fix is similar to a fix done in 2007(!) on the GTK frontend
[13:03] <Riddell> back in the day
[13:05] <agateau> https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/ubiquity/kde-fix-going-back/+merge/191806
[13:12] <jalcine> BBoD; sounds like a band
[13:12] <Riddell> agateau: looks simple enough, I'll upload it, thanks
[13:13] <agateau> Riddell: great
[13:27] <smartboyhw> Riddell, BTW is ahoneycutt's vote in UTC or own timezone when viewed in Doodle?
[13:27] <smartboyhw> I'm not a KC member, but really would like to support him
[13:28] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I assumed it was UTC
[13:28] <Riddell> but you'd need to ask him
[13:36] <smartboyhw> Riddell, sure
[14:02] <ScottK> apachelogger: re the updater - I'm sure it's OK if you wait for it to d it's automatice check for new packages and let you know, however if you try to manually check for udpates, yeah, it's pretty broken.  Certainly a substantial regression from what was there before.
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Trusty Tahr -- The new T codename http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1295
[14:08] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:14] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: apachelogger http://i.imgur.com/WMWd7Bm.png
[14:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: ooh!
[14:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: could do with a vertical spacer at the bottom though :)
[14:15] <shadeslayer_> heh yeah
[14:26] <ScottK> Riddell: The kubuntu-doc package itself looks fine, but the bug needs the usual SRU stuff added to it.
[14:31] <Riddell> ScottK: test case added
[14:31] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/1eMWf19.png
[14:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: lovely :)
[14:35] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:17] <jefferai> Hi Kubuntu people. I have a question that I think one of you packagers might know the answer to.
[15:17] <jefferai> The question is this: when statically linking, how do CFLAGS of different static libraries affect each other?
[15:17] <jefferai> for instance, if one libary is built with -O2 and your executable is built with -O3, is this an issue?
[15:17] <jefferai> I imagine it isn't because static linking still has those libraries as distinct entities so CFLAGS don't really bug each other
[15:17] <jefferai> but I'm not sure and figure someone else might know better
[15:17] <jefferai> (I'm also interested in whether these days you still get a noticeable boost from static linking. Reading around suggests that yes, you do, but that it depends on how many shared library calls you're making)
[15:20] <shadeslayer_> I don't think it makes a difference, but I have very little experience with static linking
[15:22] <Riddell> jefferai: we don't use static libraries so I guess there's not much experience here
[15:22] <jefferai> Riddell: Sure. But packagers tend to know more about the linking process than I do in general  :-)
[15:22] <Riddell> jefferai: I suspect that dynamic loading still takes a long time but haven't tested
[15:23] <jefferai> dynamic loading isn't a huge concern for me; if it takes a few extra seconds to load and will run for 6 months I don't really care
[15:24] <jefferai> I saw an IBM article which said that the extra translation causes a performance degredation when calling shared library routines; at the same time dynamic linking, because it shares copies in memory, reduces the risk of expensive page faults
[15:24] <jefferai> but no indication which one is likely to trump the other :-)
[15:26] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: can you fire up a python3 shell
[15:27] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: and run these 3 lines http://pastebin.kde.org/puushiub2
[15:27] <shadeslayer_> and then pastebin the result
[15:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer_: http://pastebin.kde.org/p64gcqqpd
[15:32] <shadeslayer_> oh
[15:33] <Riddell> but I have a nice thinkpad without evil hardware in it
[15:34] <genii> They've certainly gone downhill since IBM stopped making them.
[15:34] <shadeslayer_> ^^
[15:34] <shadeslayer_> anyway
[15:34] <shadeslayer_> anyone with evil hardware
[15:35] <shadeslayer_> with evil proprietary drivers installed
[15:35] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer_, not here, I ran it and same result (and please, no evil proprietary drivers>_>
[15:35] <genii> shadeslayer_: I'm using nvidia
[15:35] <shadeslayer_> genii: could you run these 3 lines http://pastebin.kde.org/puushiub2
[15:38] <genii> shadeslayer_: OK, hang on a bit
[15:41] <genii> shadeslayer_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6257975/
[15:41] <shadeslayer_> o_O
[15:41] <smartboyhw> genii, use usr/bin/python3 instead?
[15:42] <shadeslayer_> do you have python3-apt
[15:42] <shadeslayer_> smartboyhw: no that's fine, I have python3.3
[15:42] <shadeslayer_> and it works
[15:42] <shadeslayer_> I think he's missing python3-apt : ImportError: No module named apt_pkg
[15:43] <genii> shadeslayer_: apt-cache policy python3-apt:      Installed: <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1
[15:43] <shadeslayer_> huh
[15:43] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: I have evil hardware, but not with me.  I can do it tonight or tomorrow if no one else does.
[15:43] <shadeslayer_> ack
[15:45] <genii> Same exact error if I use the /usr/bin/python3.2    ( there is also just python3 there, should i try that? )
[15:45] <shadeslayer_> IIRC python3 is just a symlink
[15:46] <debfx> shadeslayer_: http://pastebin.kde.org/parc7eaok
[15:46] <ScottK> Riddell: Accepted into proposed.
[15:46] <shadeslayer_> ok so not limited to my machine then
[15:47] <shadeslayer_> Ubuntu Drivers should return a 'selected' key for the currently selected driver
[15:47] <shadeslayer_> except that it does not
[15:47] <debfx> also not very efficient, taking nearly 48s
[15:48] <shadeslayer_> well, can be improved, those 2 commands recreate the cache
[15:49] <BluesKaj> dkms status will show the graphics driver in use
[15:49] <BluesKaj> if it's the non default
[15:49] <shadeslayer_> BluesKaj: Ideally UbuntuDrivers would provide the information
[15:49] <shadeslayer_> I've emailed Albert about it
[15:50] <genii> Ah, I didn't notice that python3 links to python3.3 . When I use that instead, it just churns for a bit with no output whatsoever and returns to command prompt after about 30 seconds
[15:50] <shadeslayer_> wow, really? works with python3.3?
[15:50] <shadeslayer_> and doesn't with 3.2
[15:50] <genii> shadeslayer_: Correct, yes
[15:51] <debfx> python3.2 isn't in the archive anymore since raring so it's not surprising that it's broken
[15:52] <genii> shadeslayer_: Here, the python3.2 links to python3.2mu  if it makes any difference
[15:54] <shadeslayer_> debfx: this is also fun http://pastebin.kde.org/pridgdsbp
[15:58] <ScottK> shadeslayer_ and genii: Makes complete sense because Python extensions are only built for supported python vresions.
[15:58] <ScottK> It's no surprise at all that python3-apt doesn't support it.
[15:59] <ScottK> This is a feature, not a bug.
[16:04] <afiestas> apachelogger: ping
[16:15] <apachelogger> afiestas: pong
[16:16] <apachelogger> ScottK: it also failed with auto detected updates... alas I got a notification but muon-updater then said there are no updates until I did a manual check
[16:17] <ScottK> apachelogger: Fun.  Perhaps I was being too kind in my bug reports.
[16:17] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[16:17] <apachelogger> I am not too happy about the premature inclusion of pre-release muon for the sake of getting discover
[16:20] <shadeslayer_> wohoo
[16:20] <shadeslayer_> http://i.imgur.com/eWmniKq.png
[16:21] <genii> Hm. Jockey reports that no proprietary drivers are in use on this sytem, however, lsmod begs to differ.
[16:21] <shadeslayer_> want to try my app ? :P
[16:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: I think you neesd someone with UI knowledge to make that more pleasing to the eye :P
[16:22] <genii> shadeslayer_: Do i need to be running drivers from stock repos for this stuff to work properly? Because I'm actually running xorg-edgers for my nvidia
[16:23] <shadeslayer_> genii: no
[16:23] <ScottK> genii: Jockey has suffered from some bit rot since only Kubuntu is still using it.  I fixed it to support install for saucy release, but other problems don't particularly surprise me.
[16:23] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: so, not you? :D
[16:23] <apachelogger> I am better at writing perl than I am at making UIs not suck donkey balls
[16:24] <genii> shadeslayer_: I'll give whatever you got a go and report back if you like
[16:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: I do think we have widgets for that though
[16:24] <apachelogger> based of qframe
[16:25] <apachelogger> would at least provide continuity
[16:25] <shadeslayer_> genii: lp:~rohangarg/+junk/driver-manager-kde
[16:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: and I think the window size is off :P
[16:25] <shadeslayer_> genii: you'll need to edit driver-manager-kde.py to fix the path
[16:25] <shadeslayer_> for the designer file
[16:25] <genii> shadeslayer_: OK
[16:26] <shadeslayer_> the buttons don't work ofcourse ^_^
[16:26] <apachelogger> huh
[16:26] <apachelogger> how can the buttons not work?
[16:26] <shadeslayer_> by not doing anything
[16:27] <apachelogger> that's two connects
[16:27] <apachelogger> in fact you can even connect it to the qdialog via designer
[16:27] <shadeslayer_> heh
[16:27] <genii> shadeslayer_: Doesn't like me trying to get into the +junk directory
[16:27] <apachelogger> it's da first thing I do when I put a button somewhere :P
[16:28] <shadeslayer_> I need to look at muon api first :)
[16:29] <apachelogger> the shining is a very weird movie
[16:30] <shadeslayer_> hmm not sure how to make this integrated into muon
[16:30] <apachelogger> drop it
[16:30] <apachelogger> rewrite in c++
[16:31] <apachelogger> actually I do strongly believe that what you need to do is python bind libmuon/libqapt
[16:32] <shadeslayer_> I have no idea what python bind libmuon/libqapt is
[16:32] <apachelogger> generate a python binding module for the libraries
[16:32] <apachelogger> a la pykde
[16:32] <shadeslayer_> bah
[16:32] <apachelogger> otherwise you cannot access muon
[16:33] <apachelogger> and as I said the other way is to write in c++ and then use cpython to access the python bits inside the c++ code (which is more of a pain than getting bindings generated)
[16:34] <apachelogger> ... at least cpython was rather painful last I looked at it which was a while ago but I doubt anyone wrote a more usable API yet :P
[16:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer_: http://pythonqt.sourceforge.net/
[16:37] <shadeslayer_> oh
[16:37] <shadeslayer_> fun
[16:38] <ScottK> It's already packaged, FYI.
[16:38] <shadeslayer_> yeah
[16:38] <shadeslayer_> lets rewrite this in C++!
[16:38] <apachelogger> question is which way is the better
[16:39] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: well, we get Muon integration the other way around
[16:39] <apachelogger> because IMO python bindings may be useful in the long run
[16:39] <apachelogger> so I'd talk with JT about this
[16:39] <apachelogger> see what he thinks
[16:42] <ScottK> Getting a standalone move from jockey to ubuntu-drivers would be a big win.  So don't stop while youre getting the integration sorted.
[16:43] <shadeslayer_> well, all I need to sort out is the installation part
[16:43] <shadeslayer_> and I'll have a basic prototype which works
[16:44] <shadeslayer_> I suppose I could just use the apt bindings for now
[16:44] <shadeslayer_> and show a dialog
[16:45] <genii> Ah, nvm, was code.launchpad.net :) , I'm there now
[16:45] <shadeslayer_> :)
[17:27] <shadeslayer_> wth
[17:29] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: could you have a look at lp:~rohangarg/+junk/driver-manager-kde
[17:29] <shadeslayer_> and tell me why the hell is it not running?
[17:30] <shadeslayer_> oh
[17:30] <shadeslayer_> ohhh
[17:30] <shadeslayer_> nvm nvm
[18:00] <claydoh> are daily builds for packages in kubuntu updates ppa the norm now?
[18:16] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/VsAcSHu.png
[18:16] <shadeslayer_> apachelogger: ^^
[18:23]  * ScottK waves to claydoh.
[18:23] <ScottK> (no idea about your question)
[18:23] <shadeslayer_> claydoh: might want to ask yofel
[18:25] <claydoh> hi shadeslayer_ and ScottK, A forum user was wondering about all the daily packages he has been getting since upgrading to saucy, he has the updates ppa enabled
[18:27] <claydoh> the "git" in the versioning is the concern I guess :)
[18:32] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: claydoh how do you guys like http://i.imgur.com/VsAcSHu.png
[18:35] <claydoh> shadeslayer_:  nice
[18:41] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: Looks nice.  I think it'll be much better than the current Jocky U/I.
[18:41] <ScottK> Jockey ...
[18:54] <shadeslayer_> :)
[18:56] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: What's the maximum height your U/I will need?  Please keep it un 550 pixels.
[18:56] <ScottK> s//un/under/
[18:56] <kubotu> ScottK meant: "unshadeslayer_: What's the maximum height your U/I will need?  Please keep it un 550 pixels."
[18:56] <shadeslayer_> ScottK: me and afiestas just discussed some issues about width
[18:56] <ScottK> No, I didn't.
[18:56] <shadeslayer_> and height
[18:56] <ScottK> OK.
[18:56] <shadeslayer_> for eg. the Device text might get too wide
[18:57] <shadeslayer_> or we might have a bazillion drivers needed
[18:57] <shadeslayer_> ( The most proprietary laptop in the world )
[18:57] <ScottK> We should support a 576 x 800 netbook and with a 24 px panel, that leaves ~500.
[18:57] <shadeslayer_> ack
[18:57] <shadeslayer_> I'll fix that tomorrow
[18:57] <shadeslayer_> need to head back home now
[18:57] <ScottK> K
[18:58] <ScottK> shadeslayer_: I'd also ask Pitt and tseliot for thoughts on U/I.
[18:58] <ScottK> err pitti
[21:04] <ahoneybun> hey
[21:04] <soee> hi guys
[21:14] <ScottK> soee: Great job on all the ISO testing.  Thanks.
[21:15] <soee> best distro deserved that :]
[21:19] <ahoneybun> ScottK: can you vote on the doodle for my membership meeting>
[21:20] <ahoneybun> ?
[22:47] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1241859] package libqtgui4 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: lectura insuficiente en buff... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1241859 (by Lucas Germán Burgos)
[23:13] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[23:13] <valorie> hi ahoneybun
[23:13] <ahoneybun> it seems that the installation page was inclued
[23:14] <ahoneybun> included
[23:14] <valorie> :(
[23:14] <valorie> damn it, I asked over and over for that to be removed
[23:14] <valorie> grrrr
[23:14] <valorie> for two weeks
[23:15] <ahoneybun>  I talked to lordievader about it he did remove it from the package just someone needed to upload it or build it
[23:15] <ahoneybun> something like that
[23:16] <valorie> I guess people who have already installed won't bother to look at the install section
[23:16] <valorie> but still, it looks BAD
[23:16] <valorie> there are notes in there, and it just plain isn't finishe
[23:16] <valorie> d
[23:16] <ahoneybun> anyway we got the docs on there
[23:16] <valorie> fine for a wiki
[23:17] <apachelogger> filing bugs helps with getting issues resolved :P
[23:17] <valorie> nothing else
[23:17] <valorie> afaik, a bug was filed
[23:17] <apachelogger> only seen one from JR filed on release day or something like that
[23:17] <valorie> I was asked, and I gave an answer
[23:17] <apachelogger> anyway
[23:17] <valorie> had I been asked to file a bug, I would have done so
[23:17] <valorie> yeah
[23:17] <valorie> too late now
[23:18] <apachelogger> since you need to look into l10n ... I guess it would be worthwhile to also work out a way to get certain pages not exported
[23:18] <valorie> next time we'll have it done
[23:18] <apachelogger> and ultimately not by having a manual balcklist in whatever creates the package export
[23:18] <apachelogger> e.g. a special category or something (kinda depends on the wiki sofwtare I guess ^^)
[23:18] <ahoneybun> I think we need to clear that lp for the package as those bugs are all old
[23:19] <valorie> well, ultimately we want to ship only the mini-doc package, in docbook
[23:19] <apachelogger> docbook?
[23:19] <apachelogger> wut?
[23:19] <apachelogger> huh? :P
[23:19] <valorie> the wiki -> website is fine, for the website
[23:19] <ahoneybun> valorie: lordievader is moving a test page to MediaWiki
[23:19] <valorie> yes, good old xml
[23:19] <ahoneybun> to see how the export works there
[23:19] <apachelogger> valorie: so what's on the CD?
[23:19] <valorie> apachelogger: afaik, the website
[23:19] <apachelogger> ahoneybun, lordievader: talk to upstream first
[23:20] <apachelogger> valorie: so what's docbook used for then? I am confused :/
[23:20] <ahoneybun> apachelogger: they use MediaWiki
[23:20] <valorie> apachelogger: it will not work for us to use the KDE infra for our wiki
[23:20] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: I mean if they ever looked into export etc.
[23:20] <valorie> we either use the Ubuntu wiki, or our own install of mediawiki
[23:20] <ahoneybun> apachelogger: true
[23:20] <valorie> sure, they export all the time
[23:20] <apachelogger> valorie: yes
[23:21] <apachelogger> valorie: I did not say we should use their infrasturcutre, I said we shoudl talk to them
[23:21] <valorie> that's how the Amarok Handbook is made
[23:21] <apachelogger> because doing research our friends at KDE did already is kind of a waste of time :P
[23:21] <valorie> sure
[23:21] <valorie> I agree
[23:21] <ahoneybun> I'm just looking for what gives us the best docs
[23:21] <valorie> and I've talked to them
[23:21] <ahoneybun> and does not waste time like apachelogger said
[23:21] <valorie> of course
[23:22] <valorie> we're raking over ground we covered while starting this up
[23:22] <ahoneybun> Yea we talked about MediaWiki before
[23:23] <valorie> the problem I have with installing our own wiki is 1. upkeep and 2. abandoning the great Ubuntu wiki stuff
[23:23] <valorie> but damn, moinmoin sucks
[23:23] <ahoneybun> valorie: agreed in areas
[23:23] <valorie> there is no perfect answer
[23:24] <valorie> we just have to choose a path and move ahead
[23:24] <ahoneybun> valorie: amarok uses mediawiki right?
[23:24] <valorie> yes
[23:24] <ahoneybun> and they use docbook.
[23:25] <valorie> we don't use our own wiki any more because upkeep is hell
[23:25] <valorie> right
[23:25] <valorie> that script is available to us
[23:25] <apachelogger> claydoh: oh, btw, saucy subforums on kf.net could need fiddling with, there's still only pre-release apparently
[23:25] <valorie> the translation tools are available to us
[23:25] <valorie> etc.
[23:25] <ahoneybun> what about making a odf, a text file
[23:25] <valorie> that is also possible
[23:26] <valorie> when enabled
[23:26] <ahoneybun> I like that idea Mint does that I believe
[23:26] <valorie> so that it can be easily read on devices
[23:26] <apachelogger> I think html is more accessible on devices than odf
[23:26] <valorie> I have an old copy of the handbook on my kindle
[23:26] <valorie> :-)
[23:26] <ahoneybun> yea we could have both
[23:26] <valorie> well, you can do all kinds of output
[23:26] <ahoneybun> I mean it is for the mini docs
[23:27] <apachelogger> what are mini docs?
[23:27] <ahoneybun> only do this for the mini docs the main will be the site
[23:27] <valorie> apachelogger: we want to have a small subset of the docs which are well translated
[23:27] <ahoneybun> apachelogger: basic starter things
[23:27] <valorie> the parts that rarely change
[23:28] <apachelogger> shouldn't that be all the docs?
[23:28] <ahoneybun> apachelogger: too much for a small team
[23:28] <apachelogger> i.e. everythign else ought to be covered by help.ubuntu.com
[23:29] <apachelogger> so IMO docs.kubuntu == what we ship in the package and what is well translated; help.ubuntu all the other rubbish (like how do I set up an openconnect vpn or whatnot)
[23:29] <valorie> apachelogger: would be great to get them all translated, but where are the people to do that?
[23:29] <apachelogger> valorie: ubuntu l10n team, who you probably also should talk to
[23:30] <valorie> that is a good idea, yes
[23:30] <apachelogger> at least german kubuntu stuff is being translated ;)
[23:30] <apachelogger> and polish
[23:30] <valorie> but I believe they also work from the docbook
[23:30] <apachelogger> though the polish one has 3 untranslated strings in ubiquity (what a shame :()
[23:30] <ahoneybun> valorie: maybe work on the mini docs mostly and then try to expand with the help of the l10n team>
[23:31] <apachelogger> valorie: not entirely... it's a paragraph export from docbook to launchpad, so you have docbook markup and each paragraph as one translation unit
[23:32] <apachelogger> so I guess you should poke them about what they think about translating inside a wiki, if that would work for them, concerns etc.
[23:32] <valorie> translating inside a wiki sounds like a nightmare
[23:32] <valorie> outside of the tools for mediawiki
[23:32] <apachelogger> actually launchpad sounds worse
[23:32] <valorie> moinmoin is already a nightmare.....
[23:32] <ahoneybun> valorie: even more in moinmoin lol
[23:32] <apachelogger> valorie: moinmoin is a nightmare no matter waht
[23:32] <valorie> some how ahoneybun manages to make it behave
[23:32] <apachelogger> it's just not a good wiki IMO
[23:32] <apachelogger> but that's another story
[23:32] <valorie> agreed
[23:32] <valorie> horrible
[23:33] <apachelogger> valorie: point is...if they think translating inside a wiki given appropriate tooling is something they see themselfs doing and enjoying then that should be the added to the equation
[23:33] <ahoneybun> apachelogger: thanks for the help
[23:34] <apachelogger> if they are indifferent it doesn't matter, and if they absolutely want launchpad then having sane docbook export must be a selection criteria for the wiki
[23:34] <ahoneybun> valorie: off-topic seems that the 25 of this month is a good meeting time
[23:34] <valorie> apachelogger: thank you for that
[23:34] <valorie> ahoneybun: works for me
[23:34] <ahoneybun> 24
[23:35] <ahoneybun> I'm just waiting to see if anymore council vote in
[23:35] <apachelogger> ohoh
[23:35] <apachelogger> ScottK: seems muon is still crashing despite last minute fixery -.-
[23:35] <ahoneybun> valorie: looks like we need to talk to more people
[23:35] <valorie> you don't need the council for membership, I think?
[23:35] <valorie> just other kub. members
[23:35] <valorie> I could be wrong
[23:35] <apachelogger> ScottK: I really do question the entire pre-release testing process by now
[23:35] <ahoneybun> valorie: I need a meeting at the least
[23:35] <valorie> of course
[23:36] <valorie> work on your page!
[23:36] <ahoneybun> I did a but
[23:36] <ahoneybun> bit
[23:36] <ahoneybun> just don't know when I should close the poll
[23:36] <apachelogger> ScottK: like how does it go unnoticed that the thing is entirely broken for like 2 months until I accidentially stumble upon it because I didn't even know it was still installed...
[23:36] <apachelogger> ahoneybun: when you close it you close it :P
[23:37] <valorie> ok, I have to get away from this computer for now
[23:37] <valorie> ttyl peeps
[23:39] <apachelogger> ohohoho
[23:40] <apachelogger> ScottK: seems apol's fix was no good
[23:40] <apachelogger> or incomplete


[04:36] <TomH1973> Enter text here...Hello
[04:37] <TomH1973> is anyone awake?
[04:40] <TomH1973> I am Looking for some one who knows about ubuntu who can tell me more about it I have it downloade and rung on my second harddrive
[05:21] <TomH1973> How do I get to the Ubuntu chat?
[08:20] <kblin> hi folks
[08:20] <nullack> Gday
[08:21] <kblin> I'm trying to test ubuntu 9.04 on an armel system, but before I go on the real hardware, I wanted to have a look on qemu. however, that seems to be unable to do networking... is there anything I'm missing?
[08:21] <kblin> ah, hang on, it's just dog-slow
[13:19] <kblin> damn, qemu-system-arm seems pretty unreliable
[13:20] <kblin> I keep getting stuck during the installation at different stages
[14:16] <kblin> hm, now I'm getting stuck at "configuring makedev" repeatedly
[14:16] <kblin> oh well
[17:46] <stgraber> cr3: around ? I'm playing a bit with checkbox and have at least one question.
[17:51] <cr3> stgraber: sure, what's up?
[17:53] <stgraber> cr3: Just trying to make checkbox to load a completely different test suite, basically I have some tests defined in a .txt file and I just want checkbox to load that without any of the pre-installed ones
[17:53] <cr3> stgraber: --config=checkbox/plugins/suites_info/whitelist=your_text_file.txt
[17:55] <stgraber> hmm, it's still asking me about my internet connection ...
[17:55] <cr3> stgraber: that's assuming your text file is in the same directory as the other suites. if it's in another directory: --config=checkbox/plugins/suites_info/directories=/path/to/the/directory/containing/your/text/file
[17:55] <stgraber> ok
[17:56] <cr3> stgraber: nevertheless, the whitelist command should've excluded that internet connection test
[17:56] <cr3> stgraber: when in doubt, pastebin the output of --log-level=debug and let meknow
[17:58] <stgraber> ok, now it doesn't do the internet test but goes from getting information about the system directly to sending the report :)
[17:58] <cr3> stgraber: when in doubt...
[18:00] <stgraber> http://paste.ubuntu.com/135505/
[18:00] <stgraber> http://paste.ubuntu.com/135506/
[18:01] <stgraber> sudo checkbox-gtk --config=checkbox/plugins/suites_info/whitelist=/home/stgraber/code/thin-clients-testing/thin-client.txt --log-level=debug 2> debug
[18:03] <cr3> stgraber: try this: sudo checkbox-gtk --config=checkbox/plugins/suites_info/directories=/home/stgraber/code/thin-clients-testing
[18:05] <stgraber> same behavior,
[18:05] <stgraber> goes directly to sending the report
[18:06] <stgraber> sudo checkbox-gtk --config=checkbox/plugins/suites_info/directories=/home/stgraber/code/thin-clients-testing/ --config=checkbox/plugins/suites_info/whitelist=thin-client.txt
[18:06] <stgraber> works with that
[18:08] <cr3> stgraber: strange, it shouldn't need to be so redundant
[18:10] <stgraber> what's the easiest way to make it just dump a .xml file and not send anything to LP ?
[18:12] <cr3> stgraber: --config='checkbox/plugins/blacklist=backend_manager launchpad_report'
[18:12] <cr3> err, I mean: --config='checkbox/plugins/blacklist=backend_manager launchpad_exchange'
[18:13] <stgraber> hmm, still asks for an e-mail
[18:13] <cr3> stgraber: strange, .../directories=/some/path works fine for me
[18:13] <cr3> "still asks for an e-mail" doesn't necessarily mean it'll send to launchpad, which is what you asked
[18:14] <cr3> if you also want to remove prompting for email: --config='checkbox/plugins/blacklist=backend_manager launchpad_exchange exchange_prompt'
[18:15] <cr3> you might also like to add into_prompt to that list, in case you don't care for that introduction prompt
[18:15] <cr3> err, intro_prompt
[18:15] <stgraber> Nice, does exactly what I want now :)
[19:17] <calc> can i get someone to look at bug 291968, i think this needs to be fixed asap or add some way to see triaged bugs that aren't really upstream bugs, i'm having to resort to using launchpad api to get this information because of this issue
[19:17] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 291968 in malone "status_upstream=hide_upstream seems to hide bugs with 'invalid' upstream status" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/291968
[19:18] <calc> that is something that logically should be viewable with the website but can't currently be seen in any manner that i can determine
[19:18] <calc> bugs marked invalid are still treated as upstream bugs for purpose of hide_upstream but also do not show up under resolved_upstream
[19:19] <calc> so with large numbers of bugs they are effectively invisible
[23:49] <lifi_> hey, i just installed jaunty with fglrx and dual-head. got no problems, till i tried to activate xinerama. pc hangs up when it tries to start X. anyone in here with a working dual-head conf and could help me out?


[14:36] <ChinnoDog> So... DC loco expired?
[14:42] <marcoceppi> guess so
[15:30] <ChinnoDog> When was the last time there was a meeting?
[16:56] <marcoceppi> I can't recal
[16:57] <ChinnoDog> No wonder it expired.
[17:08] <marcoceppi> ChinnoDog: it was probably in December
[17:33] <ChinnoDog> I see on the forum that I am not the only one that noticed it expired.
[19:09] <marcoceppi> ChinnoDog: I'm not sure what to do. I mean I suppose it's pertinant to renew, but I feel like its' more important to drum up new members, plan activities and really start embracing what it means to be a loco


[23:00] <cprofitt> hggdh: ping
[23:01] <hggdh> cprofitt: here
[23:01] <cprofitt> we got the BT membership process voted on last night
[23:01] <cprofitt> I wanted to check if you were still interested in being a BT member and mentor for testing / bug-control
[23:02] <hggdh> yes, of course -- and this will allow us to more easily find out if the BT is doing better than our (bugsquad) mentorship
[23:03] <hggdh> which, right now, is rather slow ;-)
[23:03] <cprofitt> sounds great... are you still in the BT channel?
[23:03] <cprofitt> #ubuntu-beginners-team?
[23:03] <hggdh> yes
[23:03] <cprofitt> and #ubuntu-beginners?
[23:03] <cprofitt> sounds good...
[23:03] <hggdh> no, not ubuntu-beginners...
[23:03] <cprofitt> #ubuntu-beginners is a place people ask for help -- it would be great to have you hang there too
[23:04] <hggdh> now I am...
[23:04] <cprofitt> Also, you can add a section to your wiki about joining the BT and testimonials
[23:04] <cprofitt> we can then work on getting you approved soon.
[23:05] <hggdh> what testimonials?
[23:05] <cprofitt> let me know about the wiki and I will give you a testimonial
[23:05] <cprofitt> testimonials for joining the BT and becoming a member
[23:05] <cprofitt> we moved from group vote to council decision
[23:07] <hggdh> oh, ok. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hggdh but I am editing it now
[23:08] <cprofitt> awesome... I can edit it when you are done.


[00:58] <phil_r> test
[16:09] <tgm4883> I don't suppose any Unity gurus are going to the release party today?
[16:32] <tgm4883> bkerensa, ping
[16:38] <c_smith> tgm4883, hope you guys have fun up there
[16:38] <tgm4883> c_smith, yea I think it will be fun
[17:19] <bkerensa> tgm4883: pong
[17:19]  * bkerensa yawns
[17:19] <bkerensa> tgm4883: no Unity gurus that I know of.... I don't think we have any in Oregon
[17:19] <bkerensa> tgm4883: I plan to show a video on WebApps and Unity 6.8 though
[17:19] <bkerensa> a short one
[17:19] <tgm4883> bkerensa, doesn't the team have a laptop or some hardware? Is that going to be at the release party?
[17:20] <bkerensa> tgm4883: great scotts yes it does I better upgrade it
[17:20] <bkerensa> :D
[17:20] <tgm4883> heh
[17:20] <tgm4883> yes you should
[17:20] <bkerensa> and find its power supply
[17:20] <tgm4883> so I can possibly show something
[17:20] <tgm4883> if I can get it to work
[17:20] <bkerensa> ok
[17:20] <bkerensa> you can use mylaptop if need be
[17:20] <bkerensa> I am already toting a lot of stuff on public transit in the rain
[17:20] <bkerensa> :)
[17:20] <tgm4883> I'll need to install mysql and a mythtv backend
[17:20] <bkerensa> literally two suitcases
[17:21] <bkerensa> ;p
[17:21] <bkerensa> oh
[17:21] <bkerensa> then u can use the dummy
[17:21] <bkerensa> ;p
[17:21] <tgm4883> ok
[17:21] <bkerensa> tgm4883: I think Leann Ogasawara is coming
[17:21] <bkerensa> :D
[17:21] <tgm4883> I don't know who that is
[17:21] <bkerensa> and maybe someone from Canonical IS
[17:21] <bkerensa> tgm4883: she was the kernel manager
[17:21] <tgm4883> ah
[17:21] <bkerensa> now she is the release engineering manager I think
[17:21] <bkerensa> idk
[17:22] <bkerensa> and maybe kees
[17:22] <bkerensa> 37 RSVP
[17:22] <bkerensa> :d
[17:27] <c_smith> bkerensa, is it possible I could get you to hold a shirt for me?
[17:28] <bkerensa> c_smith: what size?
[17:28] <c_smith> and yes, wish I could come, but not at this point.
[17:28] <c_smith> large
[17:28] <bkerensa> tgm4883: how about you just use the XPS 13?
[17:28] <tgm4883> bkerensa, yea, that is a fantastic idea
[17:28] <bkerensa> I have a Sputnik laptop here I can bring
[17:28] <bkerensa> LOL
[17:28] <bkerensa> :D
[17:28] <bkerensa> the loco laptop is acting a bit wonkish
[17:29] <c_smith> bkerensa, what's it doing that it shouldn't be?
[17:30] <c_smith> also I'm thinking about dropping LUKS/LVM altogether in favor of my old seperate /home partition setup
[17:30] <bkerensa> its just old hardware with a bad battery
[17:30] <c_smith> but to do so I'd have to reinstall
[17:30] <c_smith> bkerensa, ah
[17:31] <bkerensa> LUKS/LVM for some reason requires a full wipe?
[17:31] <bkerensa> idk
[17:31] <bkerensa> when I did a fresh install of quantal it wouldnt let me unless I wiped my entire laptop
[17:31] <bkerensa> thats lame
[17:32] <bkerensa> tgm4883: do you need any packages install special so I can install them here instead of puppetlabs slow wifi?
[17:32] <c_smith> nope, but to remove it it does.
[17:33] <c_smith> and to actually implement, you need to mess with partitions, so in a sense, yeah, you need to clear everything
[17:34] <tgm4883> bkerensa, you could install mythtv-backend-master and libmyth-python
[17:34] <tgm4883> bkerensa, and bzr
[17:36] <bkerensa> k
[17:36] <tgm4883> bkerensa, might as well throw geany on there as well
[17:56] <bkerensa> tgm4883: cool done
[17:56] <bkerensa> man I was trying to use this android presentation app with Ubuntu but it doesnt work
[17:56] <bkerensa> :(
[17:57] <tgm4883> bkerensa, can you also install vlc? totem is being a pain and I don't have time to debug it
[17:57] <bkerensa> k
[18:02] <tgm4883> bkerensa, if you wanted to you can grab the bzr branch too       bzr branch lp:~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/unity-scope-mythtv
[18:03] <tgm4883> I'm done working on it for now, need to get some other stuff done before I leave
[18:10] <bkerensa> ok just grabbed it
[18:10] <bkerensa> zenlinux: hi will we see you today?
[18:11] <zenlinux> bkerensa, unfortunately, I'm still trying to shake a bad head cold. So I won't be by today. :(
[18:13] <bkerensa> zenlinux: ok
[20:38] <c_smith> how's the release party going?
[20:46] <bkero> still setting up
[20:46] <c_smith> ah, I see
[20:50] <c_smith> have fun up there. :)


[01:37] <n-iCe> hi
[10:52] <apastega> hello
[10:52] <apastega> I'm encountering a strange problem with XUbuntu 18.04 and a new Benq PD2700U monitor (4K)
[10:53] <apastega> after login, desktop background appears, but panels, icons and windows are transparent (hidden)
[10:54] <apastega> if I switch to virtual terminal with ctrl-alt-f1, then back to xorg with ctrl-alt-f7, windows appear
[10:55] <apastega> this behavior is related to 4k resolution,m it doesn't happen when resolution is lower, e.g 1560x1440
[10:55] <apastega> tried to delete session files and cache.. nothing changed
[10:55] <apastega> any ideas?
[10:55] <apastega> thnaks
[10:56] <pmjdebruijn> do you have any HWE activated?
[10:57] <apastega> I don't know
[10:57] <apastega> how check this?
[10:58] <apastega> hwe-support-status --verbose Your Hardware Enablement Stack (HWE) is supported until April 2023.
[10:58] <apastega> so yes
[10:59] <apastega> other strange effect, don't know if related, is that virtual terminal has strange colors
[11:00] <apastega> background is green-ish, text is pink-is, as if some wrong bit map were used to unpack data from HDMI
[11:00] <apastega> text at BIOS start is correct
[11:13] <pmjdebruijn> no well
[11:14] <pmjdebruijn> what does uname -a say?
[11:15] <apastega> Linux shadoooo-P4 5.3.0-53-generic #47~18.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Thu May 7 13:10:50 UTC 2020 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[11:15] <pmjdebruijn> ok, so that's current
[11:15] <pmjdebruijn> what might be interesting is to boot a live 20.04 and see if it still happens there as well
[11:16] <apastega> standard XUbuntu 18.04 with updates
[11:16] <pmjdebruijn> might just be some old xfce bug that already got fixed upstream
[11:16] <pmjdebruijn> apastega: hwe don't install with updates by default
[11:16] <pmjdebruijn> which is why I explicitly asked
[11:16] <pmjdebruijn> hwe's are integrated into new install media though
[11:16] <apastega> should try to prepare an USB
[11:16] <pmjdebruijn> but again, try 20.04 live, and see if it happens there as well, that's quick and easy to try at least
[11:17] <apastega> ok, will try
[11:18] <apastega> beside this, there could be something I could try to completely delete actual monitor settings, so it will recreate from scratch?
[11:18] <apastega> maybe it's caused from a dirty configuration?
[11:19] <apastega> I had another monitor before this, then added the new as second monitor, now second monitor becomes the one and only
[11:20] <apastega> maybe the change broke something...
[11:20] <brainwash> create a new user account and do a quick test
[11:20] <apastega> apart from session cache, don't know if something else could affect
[11:21] <brainwash> you want this one ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/displays.xml
[11:22] <apastega> ok, will try with new user
[11:22] <apastega> displays.xml seems ok... but I could try to delete it?
[11:22] <brainwash> you could
[11:23] <brainwash> ideally, when the xfconfd process is not running
[11:23] <brainwash> otherwise, it may recreate the old file
[11:25] <apastega> ok, I will try this
[11:25] <apastega> thanks by now
[11:25] <apastega> I'll be back if nothing works
[14:53] <rangergord> from a Ubuntu Server install, I wanted to use a bare minimum Xubuntu, so I installed xubuntu-core. It pulled NetworkManager while server already has networkd (which is what I want to use). Can I safely remove network-manager or will that break the core desktop?
[14:56] <pmjdebruijn> afaik you don't need the metadata xubuntu-core to have working desktop
[14:57] <pmjdebruijn> the question, does purging networkmanager also tell you other stuff is going to be removed
[14:57] <pmjdebruijn> running a GUI on a server is a bit of a cornercase I guess
[15:15] <rangergord> Well, it was only suggesting NM-related packages, so I did it, things seem fine. Although the shutdown menu seems to have been replaced the multiple choices (reboot, save session) with just a shutdown
[15:18] <rangergord> changing network configuration via netplan doesnt work anymore
[16:14] <pmjdebruijn> rangergord: does your netplan configu say renderer: networkd
[16:15] <rangergord> sorry, I already fixed the issue, it was my mistake.
[16:16] <rangergord> I'm glad that removing Network Manager doesn't break Xubuntu otherwise :)
[21:20] <Fernando-Basso[m> I can't add a VPN network.
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[21:20] <Fernando-Basso[m> “Save” button is always greyed out.
[21:23] <Fernando-Basso[m> I have these packages installed:
[21:23] <Fernando-Basso[m> network-manager network-manager-gnome network-manager-openconnect network-manager-openvpn network-manager-openvpn-gnome network-manager-pptp network-manager-pptp-gnome
[21:33] <diogenes_> Fernando-Basso[m, try one of these if they work https://www.vpnbook.com/
[21:33] <diogenes_> openvpn tab.
[21:41] <Fernando-Basso[m> diogenes_: I will, thanks. But I'm really shocked it is not working. My Arch Linux box is able to create and use VPNs without any problems. I wonder if I am not in a required group, or some other dependency is missing.
[21:57] <Fernando-Basso[m> Was missing libnm-vpn-plugin-openconnect-editor.so, which comes with network-manager-openconnect-gnome.
[23:06] <n-iCe> hi


[15:08] <StudioUserEric> Hi everybody, its my first time using a linux distro and i cant install an old nvdia driver to run davinci resolve. Somebody speak spanish? Also its my first time using this chats support, please forgive me if im doing something wrong


[20:27] <theDex> heya
[20:27] <theDex> i just made my first changes to the ubuntu wiki, could one of you check if thats compliant to your standards?
[20:28] <theDex> the page would be https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/SamsungN510
[20:28] <theDex> thanks
[20:30] <dhillon-v10> theDex: sure. just a sec.
[20:31] <theDex> thanks
[20:32] <theDex> i wasn't sure if the 'Current Issues' tab is strictly for Lucid or for things in Karmic aswell
[20:32] <theDex> so i added my fix for Karmic
[20:35] <theDex> ack already found an error
[20:39] <theDex> alright fixed what i found


[15:09] <cyphermox> Eickmeyer: I haven't forgotten you; reviewing stuff is sometimes time-intensive, and I've been busy with other things
[15:09] <cyphermox> so, I have some requested changes
[15:10] <cyphermox> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kyVRmcZzsz/
[20:28] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: regarding adding /etc/xdg/xdg-ubuntustudio-plasma sub directory... What is in /etc/xdg that you think should be replaced?
[20:36] <OvenWerks> That is, if there is nothing in there that needs to be replaced... the original menu is fine (for once)
[21:28] <OvenWerks> never mind, just need to figure out how.
[21:31] <OvenWerks> that said, whatever package this comes from: /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/20_ubuntustudio-default-settings.gschema.override
[21:31] <OvenWerks> should be updated
[21:31] <OvenWerks> picture uri is 1404
[21:34] <krytarik> OvenWerks: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio-default-settings/tree/debian/ubuntustudio-default-settings.gsettings-override
[21:35] <OvenWerks> I thought it might be
[21:36] <OvenWerks> the picture uri should probably be changed to the default one. Now that we use a default name.
[21:36] <krytarik> Yeah.
[21:38] <OvenWerks> still, I would like to have a Studio-plasma iso to play with so I know what comes with it now.


[01:23] <Grumpy> sudo wine msiexec /i artrage2.5starteredtion_win.msi
[01:23] <Grumpy> wine: /home/drbeams/.wine is not owned by you
[01:45] <Grumpy> do windows programs run on thin clients by opening up directories?
[01:45] <Grumpy> er creating?
[01:45] <Grumpy> how does one run many gpl windows games on ltsp server?
[02:58] <lbs> Who is familiar with ltsp?
[22:23] <zamba> i need an alternative to the smartboard software/hardware.. anyone know of one solution?


[04:08] <lotuspsychje> !info firefox
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic
[04:08] <lotuspsychje> tnx dax Pici
[04:08] <dax> Pici did all the work :)
[04:09] <dax> turns out ubottu was hard-coded to look at the i386 arch, which doesn't work too well when ubuntu starts stabbing i386
[04:09] <dax> so now she looks at amd64 instead
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> lovely


[00:29] <bazhang> PhantomLink, hi
[01:10] <PhantomLink> hi
[01:11] <PhantomLink> entire valley lost internet/tv services
[01:44] <bazhang> oh its seaphor and friends
[02:01] <grex23> how come i come here
[02:01] <grex23> lame
[02:01] <bazhang> you are forwarded here
[02:01] <bazhang> whoops
[02:01] <Flannel> Anacranom seems to be soapboxing
[02:02] <bazhang> yep seaphor
[02:02] <Flannel> Is that seaphor?
[02:02] <bazhang> and adm1 is from the same channel
[02:02] <Flannel> He was oddly persistent and rude
[02:02] <bazhang> last time I tried to help him he called my advice 'totally worthless'
[02:39] <Flannel> bazhang: You're talking to him, right?
[02:39] <bazhang> Flannel, yep
[02:39] <bazhang> not booted him.. yet
[02:39] <bazhang> his first response: f off
[02:40] <bazhang> yikes
[02:49] <wgrant> Ban list full.
[02:50] <bazhang> yowie
[02:51] <bazhang> cleared 3 of mine
[02:51] <Flannel> got him
[02:51] <bazhang> there are a ton of exempts
[02:51] <Flannel> +e list is separate from +b list, as far as I know
[02:52] <bazhang> okay. will get rid of some of the older bans relegated to freenode.
[02:54] <ardchoille> I've been helping out in #ubuntu for years. Is there any chance on becoming an op? If so, what would I need to do?
[03:00] <bazhang> might be a good idea to have a set limit on some of these bans; the ban and forget list has gotten out of hand
[03:00] <wgrant> bazhang: Yeah, the list is pretty crazy.
[03:00] <bazhang> I have gone through the list previously, but hardly any of the lists I posted were addressed at all
[03:01] <bazhang> wgrant, at this point I am tempted to just clear some of other people's older bans (ie over a month old)
[03:01] <wgrant> bazhang: I'd say that
[03:02] <wgrant> ...'s a very good idea
[03:02] <bazhang> having one space in the ban list (currently) is nuts
[03:02] <wgrant> Looks like we might have to use it soon, too...
[03:02] <bazhang> ardchoille, sorry a bit busy at the moment :)
[03:03] <ardchoille> bazhang: Ah, ok.. I'll come back and ask again later, would that be best?
[03:04] <bazhang> ardchoille, or just hang around when someone free has time :) *I* am busy (or shortly will be) :)
[03:04] <ardchoille> ok
[03:04] <ardchoille> I think antlong in #ubuntu needs a hint
[03:04] <ardchoille> looks like he posted "rm -rf /home"
[03:04] <wgrant> I'll ban him if he continues.
[03:04] <ardchoille> thanks
[03:05] <ardchoille> I'd love to become an op and help the channel out more than I currently am able
[03:05] <bazhang> any objections to removal of bans more than a month? its currently unworkable
[03:05] <wgrant> At least a few.
[03:05] <wgrant> We will need them.
[03:06] <bazhang> okay
[03:07] <bazhang> whoops
[03:08] <ardchoille> what happened?
[03:08] <bazhang> tab mis-complete there wgrant
[03:08] <wgrant> ardchoille: yes, sorry. mistabbed. You're free now.
[03:08] <bazhang> at ban ardchoille instead of antlong
[03:08] <ardchoille> Ah, I'm back, thanks
[03:08] <bazhang> hehe
[03:08] <wgrant> Damn.
[03:08] <wgrant> Sorry.
[03:09] <ardchoille> no worries :)
[03:11]  * wgrant disappears for a few.
[03:12] <Flannel> bazhang: Don't remove my bans, they're all trimmed
[03:13] <bazhang> Flannel, none that I see named by you; the older netsplitted ones that are relegated to server.freenode.net
[03:14] <Flannel> bazhang: I've got some that are from november
[03:14] <bazhang> ie old ompaul, LjL etc
[03:14] <Flannel> And then two really old ones that just happened to be me
[03:14] <bazhang> from 2008 (early)
[03:14] <bazhang> and some of the botnet ones that were klined
[03:15] <bazhang> Flannel, if I do mistakenly remove any, I will reinstate; but having zero spaces right now, expedience dictates some action
[03:16] <Flannel> bazhang: reinstating removed bans is basically impossible (because you can't find them).  Instead, remove old forwards (last time I tried, there were old forwards that didn't actually exist, so I gave up)
[03:16] <Flannel> bazhang: Even having 10 or 20 spaces (which I think we've got now) will suffice.
[03:16] <bazhang> Flannel, right.
[03:17] <Flannel> bazhang: Once we're usable, compile a list of old, purgable bans, and then you can have people review them for things that ought not be purged
[03:17] <bazhang> Flannel, I have done that, on *three* different occasions; not going to go for four, thanks.
[03:19] <bazhang> at any rate, there are enough spaces for the near term. but I seriously believe that the ban and forget mode has to change, and getting folks to remove them in a relatively modest time frame (whatever that turns out to be) is something that needs to be addressed. the full banlist is but a symptom of a larger issue
[03:31] <tsimpson> ardchoille: generally the line is "we appoint operators, when we see there is a need, from the active contributors in the channel", but the council are all but non existent right now so I don't expect any operators to be created in the short term
[03:32] <Flannel> bazhang: Alright, then be grumpy about it.
[03:32] <bazhang> Flannel, sorry if I came across that way.
[03:32] <ardchoille> tsimpson: Thank you for the reply. If you ever need an extra op, keep me in mind.
[03:33] <tsimpson> ardchoille: when the IRCC are elected, please do come back and ask about it
[03:33] <bazhang> just being hit with antlong plus seaphor's concern trolling plus full banlist was a bit of a patience tester. My apologies Flannel
[03:33] <ardchoille> tsimpson: Will do
[03:33] <Flannel> bazhang: If you do it saying "I'll be clearing these bans unless they get removed" means that if people don't respond, you just remove them.  They should be old bans anyway, so on average, they'd be OK to remove, you just give people a chance to review them beforehand, just in case
[03:36] <Flannel> Bug team has bug days, we should have a ban review day!
[03:36] <bazhang> excellent idea!
[03:54] <bazhang> five-a-day, even!
[03:54] <sebsebseb> hi
[03:54] <bazhang> sebsebseb, you know why the floodbot banned you
[03:55] <bazhang> -sebsebseb/#ubuntu- test
[03:55] <sebsebseb> yes
[03:56] <bazhang> sebsebseb, please don't do that again.
[03:57] <sebsebseb> ok I won't
[03:58] <bazhang> you are unbanned sebsebseb ; feel free to rejoin #ubuntu
[03:59] <sebsebseb> well I was still in there, I just coudn't send messages
[03:59] <sebsebseb> ,but yes thanks for the ban removeale
[03:59] <bazhang> right, well feel free to rejoin in whichever capacity
[04:00] <sebsebseb> ok well
[04:01] <sebsebseb> you want me to leave here now I assume?
[04:01] <bazhang> sebsebseb, was there some other issue you wished to discuss ?
[04:01] <sebsebseb> bazhang: no
[04:02] <bazhang> sebsebseb, okay, then please , to keep the channel free for those with issues, thanks
[04:02] <sebsebseb> thanks again bye
[05:32] <wgrant> bazhang: That's around the third warning.
[05:32] <bazhang> wgrant, he was at it yesterday as well
[05:32] <wgrant> bazhang: Oh, lovely.
[05:33] <wgrant> bazhang: Does he deserve any more leniency?
[05:33] <bazhang> wgrant, he is mostly saying random things, but telling git__ that everyone using ubuntu has to install from scratch is something new with him
[05:36] <wgrant> bazhang: Looks like he's ceased trolling since he saw you.
[05:37] <bazhang> wgrant, I did give him a remove yesterday, perhaps he still recalls it
[05:44] <wgrant> Mmmmmmmm. That was borderline.
[05:47] <bazhang> going to remove coofish if he continues, will first PM
[05:50] <wgrant> Oh, sorry, missed that.
[05:50] <wgrant> Already got rid of him.
[05:50] <bazhang> no response via PM
[05:50] <wgrant> He just wandered back in.
[06:27] <LordObama> why does ardchoille bother joining this channel ever other day if he hates us so much>
[06:28] <Flannel> LordObama: What?
[06:28] <LordObama> he quit all ubuntu/kubuntu stuff a while back
[06:29] <LordObama> but it seems i see him in -ops complaining every other day
[06:57] <wgrant> bazhang: I think it's about time to ban him.
[06:57] <Flannel> Oh, he was aleady removed
[06:57] <Flannel> well, bugger.
[06:57] <wgrant> That's the third timein a couple of hours.
[06:57] <bazhang> he is trolling in #debian as well if there was ever any doubt
[06:58] <wgrant> OK, I'll ban him next time.
[06:58] <wgrant> Or now.
[06:58] <Flannel> I hate double dipping, and he rejoined before I could snag the ban.
[06:58] <wgrant> I don't know.
[06:58] <Flannel> or now.  That settles that!
[06:58] <wgrant> He's been at it long enough.
[06:59] <bazhang> I have a PM window open with him, see if he responds now
[06:59] <wgrant> Unlikely, but we'll see.
[07:05] <wgrant> Is that ban evasion I spy?
[07:05] <wgrant> bazhang: Any response?
[07:05] <bazhang> wgrant, not a peep
[07:15] <wgrant> Back again.
[07:18] <Flannel> That may hold him.
[07:18]  * wgrant must remember that trick.
[07:30] <gnomefreak> any freenode staffers around?
[07:38] <mneptok> @login
[07:39] <mneptok> phix appears to be evading in #u. bazhang, his last ban was yours.
[07:41] <Flannel> phrix you mean?
[07:41] <Flannel> oh, phix is another person
[07:42] <bazhang> mneptok, that was just a remove
[07:43] <bazhang> mneptok, ikonia did a name ban on him in July of this year
[07:43] <bazhang> ie  phix!*@*
[07:56] <Tm_T> hi
[08:19] <gnomefreak> hi
[08:25] <wgrant> What is this MrBoom?
[11:54] <Tm_T> silly things happen in #f
[14:35] <MenZa> !offline
[14:38] <Pricey> jpds: spoken to them?
[14:39] <jpds> Pricey: No.
[14:40] <jpds> Pricey: Obvious troll is obvious, and my life is too short/busy to bother. ;)
[14:40] <psinetic_> question.
[14:41] <Pricey> jpds: "not enough time" should not be an acceptable excuse.
[14:41] <bazhang> psinetic_, hi
[14:42] <Pricey> "reason" sorry, not "excuse"
[14:43] <psinetic_> i was in #ubuntu-offtopic, member by the name "NoCode" says a cuss word, I do what everyone else does and use the !language command. he replies "Psinetic, do not abuse the bot." nothing more was mentioned etc. etc. this happens every single time i use that code, and i never ever use it unless it's supposed to be used. everytime i even say the slightest word, even something that's not necessarily a cuss word, i get bashed for it, but i get told to
[14:43] <psinetic_> "not abuse the bot" everytime i use it...is this....normal?
[14:43] <bazhang> psinetic_, I noticed you are using #ubuntu-offtopic for support a great deal of late.
[14:43] <Pricey> psinetic_: The bot has lots of useful information. How would you feel though if I answered this question with a bot reply?
[14:44] <Pricey> psinetic_: Would you much rather I actively discussed things with you instead?
[14:44] <psinetic_> i'd be perfectly fine with that pricey
[14:44] <Pricey> psinetic_: You wouldn't prefer us having this discussion?
[14:44] <psinetic_> i would prefer it yes
[14:44] <Pricey> I do too :-)
[14:44] <Pricey> People will react much better to real people than bots.
[14:45] <Pricey> Sure, people should stay family friendly in #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:45] <psinetic_> bazhang, yes i have been using offtopic for support lately, because i've been dealing with alot of problems lately and haven't been getting much help with them in the support channel. i find that often when i ask in the offtopic channel i get help alot faster and i tend to know who's helping me
[14:45] <Pricey> But encouraging that with your own talk will be much more effective than just !language each time.
[14:45] <Pricey> bazhang: Has psinetic_ been disruptive?
[14:45] <psinetic_> Pricey, i understand that, but why do they use the bot on me all the time instead of just saying to not cuss?
[14:46] <Pricey> psinetic_: You sound as though you don't like them using the bot on you all the time ;-)
[14:46] <Pricey> psinetic_: Its the same thing.
[14:46] <bazhang> Pricey, have you read the /topic in #ubuntu-offtopic ? does that apply equally to all ?
[14:46] <psinetic_> hmmm makes sense.
[14:46] <Pricey> psinetic_: If only we were all lovely, nice, considerate people :-)
[14:47] <Pricey> bazhang: Ops are around to keep the channel a nice place to be & prevent disruption IMO.
[14:47] <psinetic_> hmmmm if only i were able to control my temper better online XD
[14:47] <Pricey> bazhang: We're not around to make sure people abide by the /topic
[14:47] <Pricey> psinetic_: We're all guilty of it occasionally.
[14:48] <bazhang> Pricey, best to change the topic there to reflect that; some users actually read it and think it is valid
[14:48] <Pricey> bazhang: No no, its valid.
[14:49] <bazhang> Pricey, so the problem with directing users to #ubuntu for support then ?
[14:49] <psinetic_> ok, i was just wondering what my response should have been, i mean, i just left it alone, but to be honest lately i've been feeling a bit cut-throat because of how much they just slam me with it but are double-minded when i do it back. sometimes it's almost as if i'm just targeted and everyone else gets away with it
[14:49] <Pricey> bazhang: If that's the best thing for the user(s), sure.
[14:50] <psinetic_> bazhang, i'll use #ubuntu for now on
[14:50] <Pricey> bazhang: However I don't think its important to bring up in this discussion.
[14:50] <Pricey> psinetic_: It isn't easy, and yeah, you're not the only one that feels like that.
[14:51] <Pricey> psinetic_: I would advise that PMs are better than bot commands in channel though.
[14:51] <Pricey> Not that you should PM *everyone* who says something naughty...
[14:51] <psinetic_> hmmmmmmm alright, pms i can do.
[14:52] <psinetic_> well, i get botted everytime i say something naughty
[14:52] <Pricey> doesn't make it ok to bot them back
[14:53] <psinetic_> so...when they bot me, should i respond the same way NoCode did? and tell them not to abuse the bot and to please pm me on first warnings?
[14:53] <Pricey> psinetic_: There's another option
[14:53] <psinetic_> oh?
[14:53] <Pricey> Not respond.
[14:53] <psinetic_> haha
[14:54]  * psinetic_ 's human intentions make him want to respond XD
[14:54] <psinetic_> ok, well now that we got that settled. i had a bit of a suggestion
[14:55] <psinetic_> i've been on the #ubuntu irc for months now, several months. i've had my good times, and my bad times
[14:55] <Pricey> Hehe well hardly settled :-)
[14:55] <psinetic_> one thing i've noticed is that as a support channel the #ubuntu channel is not organized well. let me explain as to not jump to conclusions
[14:56] <psinetic_> a user comes in, and posts a question
[14:56] <psinetic_> they wait about 10 mins
[14:56] <psinetic_> maybe ask it again
[14:56] <psinetic_> or sometimes they'll wait about 30 minutes
[14:56] <psinetic_> what they don't know is that someone in the background is actively searching for an answer
[14:56] <psinetic_> but they're just there waiting
[14:56] <Pricey> Yep, its far from perfect & the answers you get depend on who just happens to be there at the time.
[14:57] <Pricey> LjL did look at hte problem a little and made a bot to help with it, I forget hte name atm.
[14:57] <psinetic_> i know i've been extremely frustrated and just don't feel like waiting and reading and waiting some more.
[14:57] <psinetic_> i think what we need is this:
[14:57] <psinetic_> we need more structure in the way questions are asked and answered
[14:57] <psinetic_> asked well, doesn't matter really
[14:57] <psinetic_> just ask the question
[14:57] <psinetic_> lol
[14:57] <psinetic_> but answered
[14:57] <psinetic_> i think if someone's looking for the answer, they should let the guy know
[14:58] <psinetic_> for example:
[14:58] <psinetic_> hey guys, i'm having problems with such and such
[14:58] <Pricey> ahh right, i get what you mean
[14:58] <psinetic_> convos go on about diff things
[14:58] <psinetic_> on and on
[14:58] <psinetic_> someone notices
[14:58] <psinetic_> psinetic_ i'm looking for an answer now, please wait
[14:58] <psinetic_> ok cool, so now i know someone is looking, so i stop asking over and over again looking for a response
[14:58] <psinetic_> cleans the board up
[14:58] <psinetic_> saves network bandwidth
[14:59] <psinetic_> makes it easier and more fluid to ask and answer questions
[14:59] <psinetic_> all you gotta do is tell the guy you're actively looking for an answer
[14:59] <psinetic_> what do you think?
[14:59] <Pricey> That's certainly no bad idea.
[15:00] <Pricey> The problem is, how to get people doing it. I can only think of leading by example.
[15:00] <psinetic_> leading by example yes
[15:00] <psinetic_> possibly even leaving hints here and there
[15:00] <psinetic_> i mean one thing i DON'T see is a common message being pushed out as a reminder every oh, 30 mins to an hour
[15:00] <psinetic_> giving basic instructions
[15:00] <psinetic_> like the /topic
[15:01] <psinetic_> it'd be nice to have that posted in the irc every so ofter so people would read and know
[15:01] <psinetic_> also like announcements
[15:01] <psinetic_> my /topic is at the very top of the screen on a single line, i almost never read it
[15:03] <Pricey> When you join a channel, most clients display it pretty obviously.
[15:03] <psinetic_> hmmm mine doesn't for some reason
[15:04] <Pricey> oh it does
[15:04] <psinetic_> eh?
[15:04] <psinetic_> i never see it
[15:04] <Pricey>  /cycle
[15:04] <Pricey> got it/
[15:04] <psinetic_> now i see it
[15:04] <Pricey> :-)
[15:04] <Pricey> (People don't read those things)
[15:05] <psinetic_> but i didn't when i first joined
[15:05] <psinetic_> XD
[15:05] <psinetic_> hmmmmmmm.....
[15:06] <psinetic_> i'm trying to think of a way to let it be known and common knowledge for any structural changes in an irc chat.
[15:06] <psinetic_> people don't read those things because they're blocky. i see a bunch of text and skip right over it, course i usually don't see it at all.
[15:06] <psinetic_> if they were line by line they'd read them easier
[15:07] <Pricey> How do you know its important?
[15:07] <psinetic_> it's a different color
[15:08] <psinetic_> but what if i'm color blind :P
[15:08] <Pricey> allowing colours would probably be more disruptive
[15:09] <psinetic_> what if we had a bot that would periodically make comments in the chat that appeared red to the chatter giving bits and pieces of the /topic or methods at which questions and answers are done i'm sure would help the situation
[15:09] <psinetic_> yes you're right colors would be more disruptive
[15:09] <Pricey> You can't enable colours for justone user.
[15:09] <psinetic_> hmmm that would take up alot of bandwidth too
[15:10] <jussi01> Metabot
[15:10] <psinetic_> metabot?
[15:10] <jussi01> 1 sec, Ill grab a wiki page
[15:11] <psinetic_> kk
[15:13] <jussi01> Hrm, cant see it right this second...
[15:13] <jussi01> but you can see an agregation of questions in #metabot
[15:13] <psinetic_> hehe, "hmmmmm" isn't acceptable XD
[15:14] <psinetic_> oh so it tells you when someone asks a question?
[15:14] <jussi01> psinetic_: please dont talk in there
[15:14] <jussi01> no, when a question goes unanswered.
[15:15] <psinetic_> oh....nifty
[15:15] <psinetic_> even still, the amount of text and space saved from not having people constantly ask their questions over and over again only because no one has told them that they're looking for an answer would be massive
[15:15] <psinetic_> and it'll make the support atmosphere much more fluint
[15:17] <jussi01> psinetic_: again as Pricey has said, its very hard to communicate that, so best just to lead by example.
[15:17] <jussi01> psinetic_: actually, what you really want is #ubuntu-meta
[15:18] <psinetic_> i just don't like that though. because if the people dont know that the norm, then they won't do it. if it's at least put out there, they're more likely to do it. if u ask a question, and i just tell you i'm looking for the answer, cool. but the other guys helping won't make the connection, and keep doing things the same.
[15:18] <jussi01> psinetic_: we already communicate to people not to repeat too much, so that also helps
[15:19] <jussi01> !repeat
[15:19] <psinetic_> hmmmmmm
[15:20] <psinetic_> jussi01, i don't know. i'm a computer technician with the military, i'm just use to the way we run support. we always let them know we're working on it so as to give them ease of mind, it makes our job alot easier
[15:22] <psinetic_> ok well, just a suggestion
[15:22] <psinetic_> i'll leave you guys to it :)
[15:22] <psinetic_> thanks for the clarification
[15:23] <jussi01> no probs, please dont think we are ignoring it )
[15:24] <psinetic_> no i know you're not, it's a big support irc, u guys have alot of things going on in the background the rest of us don't see. :)
[15:24] <psinetic_> haha, maybe if i can calm my temper down i can join u guys in the ops someday
[15:24] <psinetic_> hahaha
[15:24] <psinetic_> see you guys later
[15:24] <bazhang> Pricey, my apologies for bringing it up. I thought it relevant or I would not have done so.
[15:52] <ikonia> fyi: I'm looking at Ompauls bans, I'm just waiting for an email response at the moment
[15:52] <bazhang> already removed a couple
[15:53] <ikonia> yup, hence why I'm mentioning it
[15:53] <bazhang> kind of an emergency earlier today :)
[15:54] <ikonia> totally, I've been reading the scroll back
[16:00] <bazhang> 'ubuntu-related' torrents
[16:02]  * jpds rolls-eyes.
[16:02] <bazhang> vlc!
[16:12] <jpds> Woo.
[16:13] <ikonia> freenode's been having a hard time with splits over the last few weeks
[20:06] <mac9416> Hey y'all, I submitted some ubottu factoids earlier. Just wanted to let you know so you can approve/reject them.
[20:06] <ikonia> thanks
[20:07] <mac9416> np. I wasn't sure how often y'all checked for them, so I wanted to point you to them. Thanks.
[22:24] <Flannel> Howdy Augusto, how can we help you today?
[23:54] <Flannel> There's three!
[23:55] <jussi01> 3?
[23:55] <jussi01> Flannel: could you check the FB bans?
[23:55]  * jussi01 is about to head out to grab girlfriend...
[23:56] <Flannel> jussi01: I'll take a look, yeah
[23:56] <jussi01> Flannel: thanks a million.