[01:23] <xnox> rbasak:  i don't know; my hunch is that it is not majority of Ubuntu Desktop users. and for the vast majority of them did install on generic kernel.
[01:26] <kenvandine> ItzSwirlz: here is good, but let's chat tomorrow
[02:34] <ItzSwirlz> sure
[04:19] <KGB-1> mutter signed tags 7b421a0 Marco Trevisan ubuntu/3.38.3-2ubuntu1 * mutter Debian release 3.38.3-2ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/chCv
[04:19] <KGB-1> mutter ubuntu/master 4f348de Marco Trevisan * pushed 27 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3GGMn
[04:19] <KGB-1> mutter ubuntu/master c05815f Kai-Heng Feng src/backends/native/meta-renderer-native.c * renderer/native: Refactor modeset boilerplate into new helpers * https://deb.li/3wdGs
[04:19] <KGB-1> mutter ubuntu/master ed1ab1e Kai-Heng Feng src/backends/native/ meta-monitor-manager-kms.c meta-renderer-native.c meta-renderer-native.h * monitor-manager-kms: Disable CRTCs if there is no monitor * https://deb.li/itTWU
[04:20] <KGB-1> mutter ubuntu/master d29a0f4 Kai-Heng Feng src/backends/x11/meta-monitor-manager-xrandr.c * monitor-manager-xrandr: Disable CRTCs if there is no monitor * https://deb.li/VRA
[04:20] <KGB-1> mutter ubuntu/master feb11d9 Marc-Antoine Perennou clutter/clutter/cally/cally-text.c * clutter: Fix build with clang * https://deb.li/3Ox6i
[04:20] <KGB-1> mutter ubuntu/master 429491c Carlos Garnacho src/wayland/meta-wayland-pointer-constraints.c * wayland: Ensure pointer constraint region consistency * https://deb.li/bMv0
[04:20] <KGB-1> mutter signed tags fa18dfa Marco Trevisan ubuntu/3.38.3-2ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> * mutter Debian release 3.38.3-2ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> * https://deb.li/3vZt2
[04:20] <KGB-1> mutter ubuntu/groovy 2766d24 Marco Trevisan * pushed 26 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/hZzs
[04:20] <KGB-1> mutter ubuntu/groovy fbb9a34 Jonas Ådahl src/tests/ meson.build test-client.c test-runner.c stacking/modals.metatest * tests/stacking: Add test hiding a modal with a not shown parent * https://deb.li/3CVwU
[04:20] <KGB-1> mutter ubuntu/groovy c05815f Kai-Heng Feng src/backends/native/meta-renderer-native.c * renderer/native: Refactor modeset boilerplate into new helpers * https://deb.li/3wdGs
[04:20] <KGB-1> mutter ubuntu/groovy ed1ab1e Kai-Heng Feng src/backends/native/ meta-monitor-manager-kms.c meta-renderer-native.c meta-renderer-native.h * monitor-manager-kms: Disable CRTCs if there is no monitor * https://deb.li/itTWU
[04:21] <KGB-1> mutter ubuntu/groovy d29a0f4 Kai-Heng Feng src/backends/x11/meta-monitor-manager-xrandr.c * monitor-manager-xrandr: Disable CRTCs if there is no monitor * https://deb.li/VRA
[04:21] <KGB-1> mutter ubuntu/groovy feb11d9 Marc-Antoine Perennou clutter/clutter/cally/cally-text.c * clutter: Fix build with clang * https://deb.li/3Ox6i
[04:21] <KGB-1> gnome-shell signed tags e73f729 Marco Trevisan ubuntu/3.38.3-2ubuntu1 * gnome-shell Debian release 3.38.3-2ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/oJsn
[04:21] <KGB-1> gnome-shell ubuntu/master 5a2f2d8 Marco Trevisan * pushed 43 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/36Mr7
[04:21] <KGB-1> gnome-shell ubuntu/master 02af01c Jonas Ådahl js/ui/workspacesView.js * workspacesView: Update scroll position but not workspace on allocate * https://deb.li/Oc3y
[04:22] <KGB-1> gnome-shell ubuntu/master 5d2a28e Kjartan Maraas po/nb.po * Update Norwegian Bokmål translation * https://deb.li/3KMc4
[04:22] <KGB-1> gnome-shell ubuntu/master 6cfd0e3 Mike Gerow js/gdm/loginDialog.js * loginDialog: Make notListedButton accessible * https://deb.li/vVKM
[04:22] <KGB-1> gnome-shell ubuntu/master ec30d73 Ivan Molodetskikh js/ui/workspace.js * workspace: Don't unfreeze layout during overview animation * https://deb.li/3oxyj
[04:22] <KGB-1> gnome-shell ubuntu/master 0eb273d Florian Müllner (6 files in 5 dirs) * Bump version to 3.38.3 * https://deb.li/SOON
[04:22] <KGB-1> gnome-shell signed tags e19bbef Marco Trevisan ubuntu/3.38.3-2ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> * gnome-shell Debian release 3.38.3-2ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> * https://deb.li/3bJGx
[04:22] <KGB-1> gnome-shell ubuntu/groovy f454259 Marco Trevisan * pushed 42 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3gZCg
[04:22] <KGB-1> gnome-shell ubuntu/groovy bade6b1 LuK1337 src/shell-screenshot.c * screenshot: Grab screenshot during paint on X11 for area type too * https://deb.li/ix8Ml
[04:22] <KGB-1> gnome-shell ubuntu/groovy 02af01c Jonas Ådahl js/ui/workspacesView.js * workspacesView: Update scroll position but not workspace on allocate * https://deb.li/Oc3y
[04:22] <KGB-1> gnome-shell ubuntu/groovy 5d2a28e Kjartan Maraas po/nb.po * Update Norwegian Bokmål translation * https://deb.li/3KMc4
[04:23] <KGB-1> gnome-shell ubuntu/groovy 6cfd0e3 Mike Gerow js/gdm/loginDialog.js * loginDialog: Make notListedButton accessible * https://deb.li/vVKM
[04:23] <KGB-1> gnome-shell ubuntu/groovy ec30d73 Ivan Molodetskikh js/ui/workspace.js * workspace: Don't unfreeze layout during overview animation * https://deb.li/3oxyj
[05:07] <KGB-1> gnome-shell ubuntu/focal cfc861e Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/patches/ (7 files) * debian/patches: Correctly handle login cancellation and failures * https://deb.li/fJME
[05:07] <KGB-1> gnome-shell ubuntu/focal 83aaf97 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/patches/ (10 files) * debian/patches: Show errors on fingerprint failures and limit retries * https://deb.li/3YMRe
[06:47] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:56] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[07:02] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:22] <didrocks> good morning
[07:24] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks
[07:24] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, ça va ?
[07:29] <duflu> Morning didrocks
[07:31] <oSoMoN> didrocks, c’est le rush comme souvent le matin, mais sinon ça va, et toi?
[07:36] <didrocks> hey duflu
[07:36] <didrocks> oSoMoN: ça va, vacances d’hiver, mais Martin se gère pas mal tout seul :)
[08:17] <marcustomlinson> morning oSoMoN duflu didrocks999
[08:17] <didrocks999> hey marcustomlinson
[08:26] <duflu> Hi marcustomlinson
[08:38] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[08:38] <marcustomlinson> hey seb128
[08:38] <didrocks> salut seb128
[08:40] <duflu> Hi seb128
[08:47] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, didrocks, duflu , how are you?
[08:47] <marcustomlinson> doing alright thanks seb128. you?
[08:48] <oSoMoN> good morning marcustomlinson, seb128
[08:48] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, comment ça va ?
[08:49] <duflu> seb128, sore but OK. You?
[08:49] <didrocks> I’m fine, thanks, and you?
[08:49] <seb128> marcustomlinson, doing ok, a bit mentaly exhausted by the lockdown and trying to work with constant noise and interruptions
[09:02] <Laney> \o
[09:02] <duflu> Hi Laney
[09:04] <marcustomlinson> hey Laney, snowy down there?
[09:05] <marcustomlinson> seb128: indeed :/
[09:06] <didrocks> hey Laney
[09:06] <Laney> hey duflu marcustomlinson didrocks
[09:07] <Laney> a bit, like an icing sugar dusting
[09:07] <marcustomlinson> yum...
[09:08] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[09:10] <ricotz> good morning desktopers
[09:11] <marcustomlinson> hey ricotz
[09:12] <seb128> hey ricotz, how are you?
[09:12] <seb128> Trevinho, kenvandine, weekly discourse summary!
[09:13] <ricotz> hey marcustomlinson seb128
[09:13] <ricotz> seb128, feeling a bit cold ;P
[09:13] <seb128> did you get snow at your place?
[09:14] <ricotz> yeah a lot in the last days
[09:15] <Laney> hey seb128 ricotz
[09:15] <Laney> yeah alright, same as all the other days :p
[09:16] <ricotz> -20°C isnt required though :P
[09:16] <oSoMoN> good morning Laney, ricotz
[09:17] <duflu> Hi ricotz
[09:18] <duflu> seb128, it's possible Marco just went to bed ;)
[09:18] <duflu> A few hours ago
[10:47] <KGB-0> gnome-control-center signed tags 5cc11c4 Sebastien Bacher ubuntu/1%3.38.3-1ubuntu2 * gnome-control-center Debian release 1:3.38.3-1ubuntu2 * https://deb.li/382El
[10:47] <luna_> hey
[10:47] <KGB-0> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master 5f1eb14 Sebastien Bacher debian/ changelog patches/series patches/ubuntu_restore_sharing.patch * https://deb.li/H28M
[10:47] <KGB-0> * debian/patches/ubuntu_restore_sharing.patch:
[10:47] <KGB-0>   - remove the patch bringing back the vino desktop sharing since
[10:47] <KGB-0>     gnome-remote-desktop support is enabled in Ubuntu now
[10:47] <KGB-0> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master f21fc17 Sebastien Bacher debian/ changelog patches/series patches/git_fingerprint_improvements.patch * backport fingerprint improvements made by Treviño * https://deb.li/3Sblj
[10:47] <KGB-0> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master 15b31b9 Sebastien Bacher debian/ (6 files) * Remove user config migration script which was needed until focal * https://deb.li/Nrg4
[10:47] <KGB-0> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master 008abc5 Sebastien Bacher debian/changelog * upload to ubuntu * https://deb.li/igBID
[11:46] <luna_> will miss the meeting today as i have another colliding meeting
[13:14] <ItzSwirlz>
[13:34] <ItzSwirlz> seb128, marcustomlinson, ricotz \o/
[13:34] <ItzSwirlz> Is snowing in NYC metro.
[13:34] <seb128> hey ItzSwirlz!
[13:36] <ItzSwirlz> kenvandine: So soon I will apply for PPU to maybe get Ubuntu Cinnamon Remix to flavor status, and I want to do a yaru theme branch. While the yaru repo is huge, the yaru.dart repo is much smaller and I was wondering instead of hosting an individual repo to merge later, just create a branch I can push to for cinnamon, although I'm not an official Ubuntu member and this in Canonical repo and until I'm a member Canonic
[13:36] <ItzSwirlz> al won't care about me.,
[13:37] <ItzSwirlz> I think for now I'll keep it hosted at https://github.com/Ubuntu-Cinnamon-Remix/yarucinnamon.dart because of this, but thoughts?
[13:38] <marcustomlinson> ItzSwirlz: noice :)
[14:12] <kenvandine> ItzSwirlz: cool!  Yeah, I think it makes more sense to publish it separately
[14:13] <ItzSwirlz> and then merge it later ofc
[14:13] <kenvandine> ItzSwirlz: well, i think you would want to publish it to pub.dev as a separate package
[14:14] <ItzSwirlz> hm.. good point
[14:14] <kenvandine> this isn't exactly a theme... the app developer has to opt into using it
[14:14] <ItzSwirlz> 🤔
[14:14] <ItzSwirlz> I'll look into uploading to pub
[14:14] <ItzSwirlz> (you may have to do this again with Wimpress so.. wink wink)
[14:27] <KGB-0> gnome-settings-daemon signed tags 5b49e19 Sebastien Bacher ubuntu/3.38.1-3ubuntu2 * gnome-settings-daemon Debian release 3.38.1-3ubuntu2 * https://deb.li/3HHa7
[14:27] <KGB-0> gnome-settings-daemon ubuntu/master 9723f6c Sebastien Bacher debian/ changelog patches/series patches/ubuntu_vino_handling.patch * https://deb.li/VwJU
[14:27] <KGB-0> * debian/patches/ubuntu_vino_handling.patch:
[14:27] <KGB-0>   - remove the patch bringing back the vino desktop sharing since
[14:27] <KGB-0>     gnome-remote-desktop support is enabled in Ubuntu now
[14:27] <KGB-0> gnome-settings-daemon ubuntu/master dbdbd49 Sebastien Bacher debian/changelog * upload to ubuntu * https://deb.li/3NIpF
[14:31] <seb128> kenvandine, meeting? ;-)
[14:31] <kenvandine> oh hey, sorry :)
[14:31] <kenvandine> meeting time!
[14:31] <seb128> hey! :-)
[14:31] <didrocks999> hey
[14:31] <kenvandine> give me 1 minute :)
[14:31] <oSoMoN> good morning kenvandine
[14:32] <kenvandine> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2021-02-09
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[14:33] <kenvandine> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-09-01
[14:33] <kenvandine> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu (out), jamesh (out), jibel, kenvandine, laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, seb128 (out), tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out), hellsworth (out)
[14:33] <seb128> _o/
[14:33] <marcustomlinson> \o
[14:33] <kenvandine> whoops, seb wasn't out :)
[14:33] <oSoMoN> \o
[14:34] <jibel> _o_
[14:34] <seb128> how dare you! :p
[14:34] <kenvandine> copy and paste bug :)
[14:34] <kenvandine> Do we want to start with hh or bb?
[14:35] <jibel> I propose a vote
[14:35] <seb128> we usually start by oldest, are you suggesting we change the order?
[14:35] <seb128> you are in charge so a call you can make :-)
[14:35] <kenvandine> my template starts with hh :)
[14:35] <kenvandine> but i know we usually start with the older
[14:35] <kenvandine> oldest
[14:35] <seb128> either is fine
[14:35] <kenvandine> i prefer current devel first :)
[14:35] <kenvandine> ok :)
[14:36] <seb128> let's do that then :)
[14:36] <didrocks> maybe use a random map like Go is enforcing in the runtime? :)
[14:36] <kenvandine> lol
[14:36] <kenvandine> #topic rls-hh-bugs
[14:36] <seb128> or pick one in each section rotating?
[14:36] <kenvandine> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-hh-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[14:36] <seb128> (is it troll friday yet?)
[14:36] <didrocks> (looks like it :p)
[14:37] <oSoMoN> I'm tired like a Friday, so it's plausible
[14:37] <kenvandine> i guess bug 1861006 is on here because it's champagne?
[14:38] <seb128> yes
[14:38] <seb128> that's an old one though, you are picking outside our section :-)
[14:38] <kenvandine> hasn't been touched in ages...
[14:38] <kenvandine> yeah, i was skimming the unknown
[14:39] <kenvandine> nothing else to worry about on incoming
[14:40] <kenvandine> tracking seems fine too
[14:40] <kenvandine> #topic rls-gg-bugs
[14:41] <kenvandine> not in our section, but we might care
[14:41] <kenvandine> bug 1897965
[14:41] <kenvandine> i wonder if that effects gnome on hh
[14:44] <kenvandine> i guess we'll wait and see if it effects a broader user base
[14:44] <seb128> could be fixed with https://salsa.debian.org/utopia-team/pipewire/-/commit/e9d1bbdc
[14:44] <seb128> which is in hirsute
[14:46] <seb128> but yeah, we should check and we will probably hear about it if it's an issue
[14:46] <kenvandine> tracking looks fine
[14:46] <kenvandine> #topic rls-ff-bugs
[14:47] <kenvandine> bug 1914868
[14:48] <kenvandine> probably an easy fix
[14:48] <kenvandine> any takers?
[14:48] <oSoMoN> looks like it, I can give it a go
[14:48] <kenvandine> thanks
[14:49] <kenvandine> i think that's it for ff-incoming
[14:50] <seb128> oSoMoN, kenvandine, I would vote -1 for that being a rls issue
[14:50] <seb128> just for the record
[14:50] <kenvandine> well, it effects users wanting to build plugins
[14:50] <seb128> being able to build out of source gnome-software plugins isn't really something going to hit users
[14:50] <kenvandine> but yeah, it won't effect many people
[14:51] <seb128> well, rls is important no?
[14:51] <kenvandine> true
[14:51] <oSoMoN> seb128, I'm fine with that, I can put it on my list of non-urgent things to look at later
[14:51]  * kenvandine still thinks it's worth fixing if we can easily
[14:51] <kenvandine> tkamppeter_: can you handle the SRUs for bug 1897965
[14:51] <seb128> it seems fixed in H at least
[14:51] <seb128> gnome-software-dev:amd64: /usr/include/gnome-software/gs-app-collation.h
[14:51] <kenvandine> whoops
[14:52] <kenvandine> wrong bug
[14:52] <kenvandine> tkamppeter_: can you handle the SRUs for bug 1883370
[14:52] <seb128> oSoMoN, k, I personally wouldn't go through SRU for that change only but if you feel like it's worth the effort on you and the SRU team I will not stop you
[14:53] <oSoMoN> seb128, if it's an easy fix it's probably worth it, but with low priority and no pressure on the SRU team of course
[14:53] <kenvandine> i think everything else on ff-tracking seems fine
[14:54] <kenvandine> #topic rls-bb-bugs
[14:54] <kenvandine> nothing on bb-incoming
[14:55] <kenvandine> bb-tracking seems good as well
[14:55] <kenvandine> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[14:56] <kenvandine> Laney: anything to raise?
[14:57] <Laney> sorry I've not looked yet, busy with a little fire
[14:57] <Laney> maybe seb128 has
[14:57] <seb128> let me check
[14:57] <kenvandine> glade seems to be holding some things up
[14:57] <seb128> but it's currently not a manageable list due to the new glibc and i386 being borken for some reason
[14:58] <seb128> glade is down to the transition oSoMoN is trying to get through
[14:58] <oSoMoN> glade should be migrating soon
[14:58] <kenvandine> great
[14:58] <Laney> I think I saw a glibc that was meant to fix that
[14:58] <kenvandine> that will get libhandy and some others moving
[14:58] <Laney> not sure how it showed up though
[14:58] <Laney> like if things need retrying or what
[14:59] <seb128> I will retry one and see if that fixes things, thanks for the hint
[14:59] <kenvandine> cool, thanks
[14:59] <kenvandine> #topic aob
[15:00] <seb128> nothing from me
[15:00] <didrocks> nothing either
[15:00] <oSoMoN> nothing here
[15:00] <Laney> get ready to test ISOs is all I can say
[15:00] <Laney> ;-)
[15:01] <kenvandine> yeah, i think everyone needs to spend some time on ISO testing :)
[15:01] <kenvandine> ok, that's a wrap then.  thanks all!
[15:01] <kenvandine> #endmeeting
[15:01] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 15:01:52 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2021/ubuntu-desktop.2021-02-09-14.32.moin.txt
[15:02] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[15:02] <didrocks> thx
[15:03] <seb128> thanks kenvandine !
[15:03] <marcustomlinson> thanks
[15:55] <seb128> didrocks, I'm not really familiar with -fprofile-use, how problematic is it that some profiles are not available (context of libdeflate)
[15:57] <seb128> didrocks, it sounds like some functions are just missing from the optimization profile which should be a no-op, just no optimization applied?
[15:57] <seb128> didrocks, I reported the warning to Debian but I'm unsure if that's expected if that function didn't collect data and normal or if it's a bug...
[15:58] <didrocks> seb128: correct (in addition that I think as it’s a lib, it impact any binary that links at build-dep against it), reporting is enough IMHO for that one
[15:59] <seb128> didrocks, I'm not familiar with that option, I was just reading a bit about it, isnt it just optimization applied to the code when compiling?
[15:59] <seb128> I'm not sure to understand how it bubble down to binaries using the lib?
[15:59] <didrocks> the tests are reporting it, but it can be that it just statically compiled the lib
[15:59] <didrocks> I didn’t check how they are linked against it
[15:59] <didrocks> but you are probably right
[16:00] <didrocks> (the other things that always concerns me with those warnings and that any new warnings won’t get noticed when building)
[16:01] <seb128> right
[16:01] <seb128> well I reported it to Debian, since they are the ones adding those flags to debian/rules
[16:01] <seb128> let's see what they say
[16:01] <didrocks> and the MIR time is the best time to got those fixed, because you know how it goes later on… (same than debian/copyright)
[16:01] <didrocks> yeah
[16:29] <jibel> Laney, I added you for a review of https://code.launchpad.net/~jibel/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity-1/+merge/397742. It's something wanted before FF.
[16:33] <Laney> jibel: cheers, will review!
[16:37] <seb128> jibel, Laney, speaking about ubiquity review, could one of you see what needs to be done on https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/+git/ubiquity/+merge/376777 ? do we need to ping Mario about it? (we have a trello card untouched for almost a year)
[16:38] <seb128> xnox, ^ or you, seems you proposed to fix and merge for him on the MP, does that still stand?
[17:43] <Laney> looks like pipewire stuff needs promoting for gnome-shell / mutter
[17:43] <Laney> lemme do this
[18:03] <Laney> Trevinho: it is done, hopefully will go soon
[18:03] <Trevinho> nice
[18:04] <luna_> https://packages.qa.debian.org/a/apt/news/20210209T104825Z.html new apt
[19:17] <KGB-2> gnome-control-center ubuntu/master Marco Trevisan * [open] merge request !20: display: Better KMS backend fractional scaling handling * https://deb.li/iQnlE
[19:17] <Trevinho> seb128: ^
[20:01] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks
[20:10] <Trevinho> Laney: wondering..... by dropping ubuntu-wayland session not sure we should actually have a settings migration? Or the settings for such session would be lost...
[20:16] <Laney> what settings?
[20:16] <Trevinho> Laney: well some settings are per user session no?
[20:17] <Laney> Trevinho: Can't think of any
[20:17] <Trevinho> gsettings mostly are... Like I noticed I had disabled extensions in my wayland g-s while they were not in the ubuntu session...
[20:17] <Laney> I think that's
[20:17] <Laney> org.gnome.shell enabled-extensions<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>'desktop-icons@csoriano']
[20:18] <Laney> btw we should ship word-clock by default
[20:18] <Trevinho> :)
[20:19] <Trevinho> btw I had only changed the global toggle
[20:19] <Trevinho> not the list of extensions
[20:19] <Trevinho> XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP should matter for gsettings, isn't it?
[20:19] <Laney> I don't know how it can be per session
[20:20] <Laney> you can have defaults like that
[20:20] <Laney> but once changed, I think they become global
[20:20] <Laney> also the xdg current desktop won't change
[20:21] <Laney> data/ubuntu-wayland.desktop.in.in:DesktopNames=ubuntu:GNOME
[20:21] <Laney> data/ubuntu.desktop.in.in:DesktopNames=ubuntu:GNOME
[20:21] <Trevinho> mhmh, oook maybe I had only compared gnome session vs ubuntu?
[20:22] <Trevinho> yeah, fair enough
[20:22] <Trevinho> I might have just compared that with a gnome session then...
[20:22] <Laney> but in general, I think we should preserve settings as far as possible yeah
[20:22] <Laney> I just expect most of that to already happen :>
[20:22] <Trevinho> better...
[20:22] <Trevinho> I will push g-s later if I've time
[20:23] <Laney> yay
[20:23] <Laney> exciting isn't it!
[20:26] <Trevinho> yep :D
[20:26] <Trevinho> Laney: this https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-session/-/blob/debian/master/debian/patches/debian/Make-sure-to-pass-systemd-when-we-re-managing-the-user-se.patch could be dropped no?
[20:29] <Trevinho> Laney: and also the upstart case can die on https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/gnome-session/-/blob/ubuntu/master/debian/patches/ubuntu/add_sessionmigration.patch I assume
[23:05] <chef_trip> greetings everyone. i'm having trouble getting to a GUI after installing proprietary graphics drivers(ubuntu 20.10). is this a good place to seek help for this problem? googling hasn't helped
[23:18] <guiverc> chef_trip, try the #ubuntu support room, this room isn't for support
[23:30] <chef_trip> ok thanks


[00:00] <tsimonq2> infinity: Alright, well thanks for helping with this. :)
[00:00] <slangasek> infinity: validated software-properties against ppa:vorlon/debconf-tests; accepted and unblocked; working through the component overrides now
[00:00] <slangasek> (to repromote libgtk2-perl and friends)
[00:01] <infinity> slangasek: But my precious component-mismatches was empty!
[00:01] <infinity> Well, I guess it still is, cause this is all in proposed. ;)
[00:01] <slangasek> ;)
[00:01] <infinity> (Seriously, though, EMPTY.  Did you see that?)
[00:02] <infinity> I might have been excessively proud of that.  It hasn't been empty for cycles.
[00:02] <slangasek> yes, it's very confusing
[00:02] <slangasek> :)
[00:02] <slangasek> but not as confusing as the -proposed one telling me conntrack-tools-dbg needs demoted only in -proposed
[00:03] <infinity> Weird fallout from the php transition it's attempting in proposed?
[00:03] <slangasek> btw, that svg at the bottom takes 95M to render in chromium
[00:03] <slangasek> conntrack tied to php? not that I could tell
[00:03]  * infinity shrugs.
[00:03] <infinity> Fix your stuff, check the non-proposed report, ignore proposed, win.
[00:03] <slangasek> yep, done
[00:03] <infinity> Or conntrack-tools-dbg might be NBS in proposed.
[00:04] <slangasek> oh, quite
[00:04] <infinity> Oh.
[00:04] <infinity> It's not NBS in proposed, but it will become NBS when proposed migrates.
[00:04] <infinity> So, mystery solved.
[00:04] <slangasek> technically, it is also Not Built from Source in -proposed
[00:04] <slangasek> it's just also not present in -proposed ;)
[00:05] <infinity> Well, yes.  But not what we mean by NBS, which is "cruft that's NBS".
[00:05] <infinity> Otherwise, the NBS set is infinite.
[00:05] <infinity> SO MANY THINGS NOT BUILT FROM SOURCE.
[00:05] <slangasek> this cow? NBS.
[00:05] <infinity> Okay, I'm sick of these snapd tests and their flappiness.
[00:05] <infinity> Dpkg is getting a hint.
[00:06] <wgrant> I'm glad LP didn't ever end up tracking NBS. Our DB servers aren't that big.
[00:06] <infinity> wgrant: Hey now.  Don't sell them short.  They're pretty big.
[00:06] <infinity> wgrant: Besides, who doesn't want to file an RT for "infinite disk, and infinite/10 RAM for hot caches"?
[00:06] <wgrant> Heh
[00:07] <slangasek> I was going to suggest lazy expansion as a solution, then I realized someone would be bound to write a query for it
[00:07] <slangasek> infinity: software-properties accepted into zesty
[00:08] <infinity> slangasek: So, gnome-software was a failed experiment?
[00:08] <slangasek> infinity: gnome-software is a partial fix; the recommends is still valid to add but does no good without code changes to tell aptd to actually use the gnome frontend
[00:09] <slangasek> and that piece isn't installer-critical since it's not related to drivers, so we'll deal with it in SRU
[00:09] <infinity> "code changes" like just pushing DEBIAN_FRONTEND to gnome-software's env?
[00:10] <infinity> Or is it foiling that plan by forking aptdaemon in a clean env?
[00:10] <slangasek> infinity: aptd is dbus-activated
[00:10] <infinity> Oh.
[00:10] <infinity> Derp.
[00:10] <infinity> But, wait.  update-manager uses aptd, doesn't it?  And it debconfs.
[00:10] <infinity> Maybe I'm living in the past.
[00:10]  * infinity shrugs.
[00:11] <slangasek> so there's an api to tell it which frontend to use, which you have to call, and since gnome-software is !python I have to look up the deets and this is not something for you to block the respin on
[00:11] <slangasek> infinity: yes, u-m calls the api to set the frontend, that's where I stole the one-liner to do it for software-properties
[00:11] <infinity> Ah.
[00:11] <infinity> Check.
[00:11] <infinity> Alright.
[00:11] <infinity> Well, let your half fix in, please.
[00:11] <infinity> If you didn't already.
[00:12] <infinity> And I'll go twiddle some thumbs while I wait on these langpacks and your stuff and my stuff to all converge in one spot.
[00:13] <slangasek> infinity: k, gnome-software unblocked
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[00:31] <jbicha> ^ bijiben is unseeded, let me know if you'd rather I did an Ubuntu-specific upload instead https://tracker.debian.org/news/843188
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[02:11] <mwhudson> slangasek, infinity: around?
[02:26] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: golang-1.8 (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.8-1ubuntu1 => 1.8.1-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
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[02:31] <cyphermox> mwhudson: anything I can help with?
[02:32] <mwhudson> cyphermox: wondering whether to upload the fix for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/golang-1.7/+bug/1681294 to zesty
[02:33] <mwhudson> i guess i can stick it in the queue and let the release team decide
[02:33] <mwhudson> ... after checking that it won
[02:33] <mwhudson> 't result in a transition
[02:33] <mwhudson> (it really shouldn't)
[02:33] <cyphermox> ah
[03:13] <slangasek> mwhudson: hi
[03:17] <mwhudson> well what the heck, it does cause a transition
[03:17] <slangasek> mwhudson: libgolang-1.7-std1 is seeded on cloud-image and server, so this impacts release; it's fine to upload it, but I think we should punt this to SRU (and doubly so given the transition) <-- infinity
[03:17] <mwhudson> i really need to look into making the go shared library abis more stable
[03:17] <mwhudson> slangasek: fair enough
[03:34] <mwhudson> argl bargl, the transition is because the change adds a new file to runtime/cgo
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[06:39] <slangasek> infinity, jbicha: yeah, so the set_debconf_frontend() bits are implemented entirely in python (python3-aptdaemon + python3-debconf), that's going to take a bit of work to implement for gnome-software (but still should be done)
[06:40] <slangasek> n/m there is no python3-debconf, just a debconf.py in python3-aptdaemon
[08:04] <rbalint> Laney: lp:autopkgtest-cloud don't seem to be accessible fore mere mortals
[08:04] <Laney> uh?
[08:04] <rbalint> Laney: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-release/+git/autopkgtest-cloud
[08:04] <Laney> https://code.launchpad.net/autopkgtest-cloud ?
[08:05] <Laney> we just changed it recently
[08:05] <Laney> if you find a reference to that old one please fix it
[08:05] <rbalint> Laney: thanks
[08:05] <rbalint> Laney: i found it on launchpad search
[08:05] <rbalint> Laney: not sure if i can fix that easily :-)
[08:06] <rbalint> Laney: https://launchpad.net/+search?field.text=autopkgtest-cloud
[08:06] <Laney> maybe I could push a readme.txt there
[08:06] <Laney> can't hurt eh
[08:08] <LocutusOfBorg> hello release team, can you please unblock wxwidgets3.0? a rationale is explained on debian bug #860074
[08:10] <LocutusOfBorg> I did upload wxpy3.0, but the patch was touching a wxwidgets embedded code copy (sigh)
[08:10] <LocutusOfBorg> so, the real fix is to upload wxwidgets3.0, not wxpython
[08:12] <LocutusOfBorg> I will sync them later today, making the ubuntu delta useless and disappear
[08:19] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted systemd [source] (yakkety-proposed) [231-9ubuntu4]
[08:24] <rbalint> Laney: botch's autopkgtest result shows OOM and I'd like to set it to use m1.large instance
[08:25] <rbalint> Laney: should i somehow verify that it fixes the OOM before filing a merge for autopkgtest-cloud?
[08:25] <rbalint> Laney: it may fail on my small VM-s, too
[08:26] <rbalint> rbalint: Laney i'll give it a try, but i'm interested in understanding the general process
[08:26] <Laney> sure, try it
[08:26] <LocutusOfBorg> apw, can you please unblock wxwidgets3.0? http://bugs.debian.org/860074 the fix on wxpython3.0 was touching embedded code copy of wx, not the real one :(
[08:27] <LocutusOfBorg> I got two unblocks from release team in Debian
[08:27] <LocutusOfBorg> (and I'll sync them from here by today)
[08:27] <Laney> there's a --ram argument to autopkgtest-virt-qemu
[08:27] <Laney> is it 'expected' to use that much? would be good to know
[08:33] <LocutusOfBorg> can anybody please give me his opinion to a llvm-toolchain-4.0 sync?
[08:33] <LocutusOfBorg> I'm worried about:   * change the min version of the libclang1 symbols to 1:4.0-3~
[08:33] <LocutusOfBorg> this is because finally we are getting versioned symbols, but I dont' understand if a transition is needed or not
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[08:51] <Laney> flexiondotorg: you want to respin for that?
[08:51] <flexiondotorg> Laney, no thanks. Just being there for an update on day 1 is fine.
[08:52] <Laney> ok, then please put a bug number in the changelog :-)
[08:52] <flexiondotorg> There are no Ubuntu bugs, it is general fixes from upstream.
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[08:55] <Laney> right, but if it is to become an SRU it needs a bug
[08:58] <apw> LocutusOfBorg, what is the impact of that wxwidgets thing, it looks like we respan after the previous attempt
[08:59] <flexiondotorg> Laney OK, then can I respin? :-)
[09:00] <Laney> filing a bug is that hard?
[09:01] <infinity> wx* will cause a studio respin.
[09:02] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: We release in two days.  If you have any questions about an upload, the answer should be "no", and you shouldn't ask the question.
[09:04] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: As for wx*, it will cause a studio respin, which has no testing currently, so that's probably okay.  But if you were implying you wanted to sync them both at different times, uhm, do them both now? :P
[09:04] <infinity> LocutusOfBorg: The llvm one should be a hard "no", unless it's actively buggy and causing issues right now.
[09:04] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, I just uploaded them in unstable
[09:04] <LocutusOfBorg> just let lp catch them :)
[09:05] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, for llvm-4.0 the answer is no also on my side, but I wanted to understand if a transition is required when symbols versions are bumped
[09:05] <infinity> If it is, symbols aren't versioned very well. :P
[09:06] <LocutusOfBorg> infinity, the problem is that various llvm-* implementations are using the same symbols, so people complains about crashes when different llvm are used at runtime
[09:06] <LocutusOfBorg> something like that
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[09:06] <LocutusOfBorg> anyway, I'll sync wx* in some hours, hopefully after britney run
[09:06] <infinity> I'll probably fakesync it now, if you really want it.
[09:07] <LocutusOfBorg> yes please if you can
[09:07] <infinity> At this point in the release, waiitng is not an option.
[09:07] <LocutusOfBorg> it is an important assert fix, various crashes because of that mutex issue
[09:07] <LocutusOfBorg> accepted by upstream and cherry-picked on stable branch 3.0
[09:07] <LocutusOfBorg> I really trust poedit upstream developer and his work
[09:09] <Ukikie> infinity: I don't suppose you'd accept ms-gsl? :P
[09:10] <LocutusOfBorg> I would accept it, leaf package and hurray for new telegram-desktop not crashing anymore!
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[09:12] <infinity> Ukikie: /win 77
[09:12] <Ukikie> OK, you win.
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[09:19] <rbalint> infinity: i have added botch to big packages: lp:~rbalint/autopkgtest-cloud
[09:19] <rbalint> infinity: could you please merge?
[09:23] <rbalint> infinity: hm, it seems i have to add it to multiple lists, please hold on
[09:25] <apw> rbalint, yeah there are 3 or 4
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[10:06] <infinity> flexiondotorg: I'll take care of that respin for you when the archive is in the correct state.
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[10:21] <davmor2> infinity, cyphermox: so other than the old issue that I added a work around for in the bug (be good to get it in the release notes) most of the installs are going without a hitch
[10:22] <infinity> davmor2: The old issue being the lack of "remove CD and press enter" prompt?
[10:23] <infinity> We've only fixed that about 17 times.
[10:23] <infinity> It's a horrible hack.
[10:23] <davmor2> infinity: yeap it's a pain cause cyphermox can't reproduce it but it happens here on multiple machines but it's only a case of hitting the power button
[10:23] <apw> davmor2, it doesn't respond to return even so ?
[10:24] <davmor2> apw: it does for some but not for all
[10:24] <davmor2> apw: on the dell xps13 the cursor just moves down a line but you can't type anything into it
[10:24] <apw> such dodgy code, we should make a ramfs with the shutdown code in it, and chroot there really
[10:26] <infinity> apw: Yes, I was thinking the same thing, but I didn't want to say it out loud, because then Lennart wins.
[10:27] <apw> infinity, he has to be right now and again even if it is luck
[10:28] <infinity> apw: But I don't have to be happy about it.
[10:28] <davmor2> swing the bat often enough at some point you'll hit the pinata
[10:29] <infinity> davmor2: And the moral of this story is "CANDY!!"?
[10:29] <davmor2> infinity: always candy
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[10:49] <smb> Am I thinking correctly that the empty download for "Ubuntu Server armhf+raspi2" should be http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily-preinstalled/current/zesty-preinstalled-server-armhf+raspi2.img.xz
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[10:50] <smb> ^ that is in the tracker
[10:55] <Laney> smb: Yeah I added it, thx for noticing
[10:55] <smb> Laney, cool, then I also grabbed the right one
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[11:05] <flexiondotorg> Laney Sorry, I was in meetings and my bouncer crashed so I've missed some scrollback.
[11:05] <Laney> No worries hombre
[11:05] <Laney> it's gone in now
[11:06] <flexiondotorg> Ah, well thanks :-)
[11:06] <infinity> flexiondotorg: I'll be respinning for you shortly.
[11:06] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Waiting on some archive settle.
[11:06] <flexiondotorg> infinity Thanks.
[11:06] <flexiondotorg> infinity Are you in London now?
[11:07] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Ate.
[11:07] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Also aye.
[11:07] <Laney> Ale
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[11:26] <flexiondotorg> Laney infinity I'll be in the office on Thursday. Beers on me.
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[11:56] <apw> infinity, want that reviewed ?
[11:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted garmin-plugin [source] (zesty-proposed) [0.3.23-4ubuntu1]
[11:56] <infinity> apw: It reviewed itself.
[11:57] <apw> oh heh, so it did, back in my box
[12:02] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu MATE Desktop amd64 [Zesty Final] has been updated (20170411.1)
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[12:19] <davmor2> infinity: there isn't gonna be another respin for ubuntu is there?  AMD64 is done moving onto I386
[12:23] <infinity> davmor2: It's only Tuesday, so dunno.
[12:23] <infinity> davmor2: But I have no respins planned.
[12:24]  * davmor2 hugs infinity just leave like that ;)
[12:41] <apw> infinity, we have some kernels pending in stables for publishing to proposed, are you happy for those to hit with the associated pu
[12:41] <apw> pu
[12:41] <apw> publisher gummage ?
[12:42] <infinity> apw: Better now than later.
[12:42] <apw> infinity, ack
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[12:52] <cyphermox> davmor2: I managed to reproduce it after all, but I still have no idea why it works on the live session and breaks otherwise
[12:52] <cyphermox> well, I have an idea why, but still not sure how.
[12:52] <davmor2> cyphermox: works on manual keep home too :)
[12:53] <cyphermox> I'm talking about the shutdown promot.
[12:53] <cyphermox> *prompt.
[12:53] <davmor2> cyphermox: yeap
[12:53] <cyphermox> hrm
[12:54] <davmor2> cyphermox: do a manual install and then do a manual install keeping home over that and the popup appears too
[12:54] <apw> infinity, i'll look at those snapd uploads
[12:54] <davmor2> cyphermox: so litterally just fresh install nothing kept
[12:54] <cyphermox> ok, so in only-ubiquity you do an install with keeping home and that works?
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[12:54] <cyphermox> the only thing that could be is systemd blocking waiting for stuff to be unmounted
[12:55] <cyphermox> I'll keep looking then, that might be easy to fix.
[12:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted r-cran-xml2 [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.1.0-1ubuntu1]
[12:57] <davmor2> cyphermox: so everything oem-mode, fresh install, overwrite install, auto-resize and manual install (normal) all had no prompt, manual reuse home and install from desktop both did
[12:58] <infinity> davmor2: How much RAM does your VM have?
[12:58] <infinity> I *think* the common thread in those successes is that both probably had swap active.
[12:58] <infinity> Maybe.
[12:58] <davmor2> infinity: hardware 4gig
[12:58] <infinity> 4G should be more than enough for our stupid caching tricks, though. :P
[12:58] <davmor2> infinity: and hardware 8gig
[12:58] <cyphermox> yep, it should
[12:59] <davmor2> infinity: the 8GB on the xps13 should be more than enough
[12:59] <cyphermox> I'd be surprised if you need much more than 100Mb.
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[13:16] <davmor2> infinity: I get a crash on unity date-time indicator on i386 I'll try another install and see if it happens again and double check my iso versions
[13:20] <davmor2> infinity: it's still a revision behind D'oh only looked at the amd64 this morning as that was where I was starting updating now and I'll try again
[13:23] <infinity> davmor2: The indicator hasn't changed, so I assume the segv also hasn't. :P
[13:23] <davmor2> infinity: I'll find out in a minute
[13:24] <infinity> davmor2: Is there a bug for that?  I don't see anything on the tracker.
[13:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Builds: Ubuntu Studio DVD amd64 [Zesty Final] has been updated (20170411.1)
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[13:25] <davmor2> infinity: I sent the crash file but after checking my md5sum I noticed the numbers didn't match so stopped looking at it then.  If I get it on this install too I'll be sure it is filed and added to the tracker
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[13:33] <smoser> bdmurray, it would not be strictly necessary, but it went in first. and then the user contributed a fix to support either.
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[14:11] <davmor3> infinity: still crashing https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/280c3984-1ec0-11e7-990e-fa163ed44aae trying to figure out why it isn't reporting a bug and only sending to errors
[14:12] <Laney> davmor has incremented
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[14:13] <Laney> apport bug reporting gets disabled for the release
[14:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libhmsbeagle [source] (zesty-proposed) [2.1.2+20160831-5ubuntu1]
[14:13] <davmor3> Laney: nope it looks to be enabled but it isn't when I manually trigger ubuntu-bug either
[14:15] <rbalint> could someone please review LP: #1680577 ?
[14:16] <Laney> rbalint: Please file it in Debian and get it fixed there
[14:18] <Laney> I hope that other one bit of delta forwarded too
[14:18] <Laney> was
[14:18] <Laney> english good
[14:19] <rbalint> Laney: i hoped to get it fixed here first to let tests pass before the release, but ok
[14:21] <infinity> davmor3: Is that only on i386?
[14:21] <davmor3> infinity: yeap
[14:21] <infinity> Failed to retrace.  Helpful.
[14:23] <infinity> doko: Your gcc-5-cross has been FTBFS for a month too.
[14:23] <infinity> doko: Or gcc-5-cross-ports, I guess.
[14:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: kamoso (zesty-proposed/universe) [3.0.0-0ubuntu1 => 3.2.1-1] (kubuntu) (sync)
[14:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted kamoso [sync] (zesty-proposed) [3.2.1-1]
[14:30] <doko> infinity: I'll have a look tomorrow, or today
[14:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: cinder (zesty-proposed/main) [2:10.0.0-0ubuntu2 => 2:10.0.1-0ubuntu1] (openstack, ubuntu-server)
[14:46] <bdmurray> davmor2: Do you still have the .crash file? I could manually retrace it.
[14:48] <davmor2> infinity, bdmurray: see pm  desktop is currently having the popup I can hit the button to report it if you want
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[15:08] <davmor2> infinity, bdmurray, Laney: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1681870
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[15:08] <davmor2> infinity, bdmurray, Laney: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1681870
[15:08] <Laney> thx
[15:08] <davmor2> should be public now
[15:09] <davmor2> advantage of a machine here have ssh access :D
[15:12] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gnome-music (zesty-proposed/universe) [3.24.0-0ubuntu1 => <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu1] (desktop-extra, ubuntugnome)
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[15:13] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted phyml [source] (zesty-proposed) [3:3.2.0+dfsg-7ubuntu1]
[15:13] <bdmurray> I was able to manually retrace the indicator-datetime crash if the LP retracers fail
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[15:36] <bdmurray> Great, why did it fail to retrace.
[15:37] <davmor2> bdmurray: it hates me
[15:39] <bdmurray> I'm sure the hate for me is stronger.
[15:40] <infinity> jbicha: gnome-music is on your images.  Did you want to accept that and respin for it?
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[15:42] <jbicha> infinity: is it ok if you accepted it into proposed for 0-day SRU and we can promote it if there's a need for respin?
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[15:43] <infinity> jbicha: Sure.
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[15:45] <bdmurray> Okay, bug 1681870 has been retraced
[15:46] <davmor2> woohoo
[15:49] <bdmurray> infinity: I noticed u-r-u has been uploaded in months. I think I should do another upload to get new mirrors / promotions & demotions.
[15:49] <infinity> bdmurray: That'll trigger a world respin.  But yeah, perhaps you should lob it at the queue, and we'll pull it in if we have a critical mass of things that seem worth respinning for.
[15:50] <bdmurray> infinity: it'd be fine to do it as a 0-day SRU
[15:50] <infinity> bdmurray: Yeah, but upload early, and we can make the call.
[15:51] <bdmurray> infinity: okay, working on it
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[16:00] <davmor2> bdmurray: I can drop the link to the machine now then right?
[16:01] <bdmurray> davmor2: let me double check one thing
[16:02] <bdmurray> davmor2: yes, thanks again
[16:02] <davmor2> bdmurray: no worries
[16:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: linux-signed-lts-xenial [amd64] (trusty-proposed/main) [4.4.0-73.94~14.04.1] (kernel)
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[16:17] <Laney> 'k, we know how to fix that and we'll upload
[16:23] <davmor2> Laney: woohoo that'll need a respin for i386 right infinity
[16:26] <Laney> davmor2: 64 too, to keep it in sync
[16:26] <Laney> & kylin
[16:26] <Laney> & Adam's talking about maybe doing one for snapd which will be everything, but not sure yet
[16:26] <davmor2> woohoo retesting the world
[16:27] <Laney> moar testing is moar fun
[16:40] <infinity> It's only Tuesday, if we weren't respinning, it would feel weird.
[16:40] <davmor2> infinity: no really
[16:42] <cyphermox> don't worry
[16:42] <cyphermox> I'm testing ppc64el server right now and I can't complete the install.
[16:43] <cyphermox> just making sure with mini; but it looks like something grub-installer :(
[16:44] <cyphermox> only on multipath?
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[16:45] <tsimonq2> infinity: How does one even start to debug this? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2017-April/011186.html
[16:45] <tsimonq2> CC cyphermox ^
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[16:46] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted qtcreator [source] (zesty-proposed) [4.1.0-3ubuntu1]
[16:47] <cyphermox> strace?
[16:48] <infinity> tsimonq2: Fun.  I use wine daily, and have no such issues.
[16:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New: accepted linux-signed-lts-xenial [amd64] (trusty-proposed) [4.4.0-73.94~14.04.1]
[16:52] <tsimonq2> infinity: Wwweeeiiirrrddd.
[16:53] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ostree (zesty-proposed/universe) [2016.15-3ubuntu2 => 2016.15-3ubuntu3] (ubuntugnome)
[16:54] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: It was kind of rhetorical, but ok. :P
[16:54] <cyphermox> you don't have much option but to take the big guns to debug this
[16:56] <tsimonq2> valorie: Can you reproduce this? Is it even worth looking in to?
[17:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ostree [source] (zesty-proposed) [2016.15-3ubuntu3]
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[17:39] <jbicha> fossfreedom: do you have an opinion on LP: #1681896 ?
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[18:09] <fossfreedom> jbicha: not really important enough to respin imho
[18:10] <jbicha> fossfreedom: I get the feeling they are respinning anyway, are you ok with that update landing in 17.04?
[18:10] <fossfreedom> sure.  why the respin?  this mornings respin is working well.
[18:13] <cyphermox> jbicha: including a new version of docs?
[18:15] <jbicha> cyphermox: yes, do you disagree with that?
[18:16] <cyphermox> my personal opinion is that it's quite late for that, but I'm not in the release team, and this doesn't break translations if it's indeed directly translated in the package
[18:16] <cyphermox> ie. not my decision.
[18:17] <jbicha> well it does break its own translations which I don't like but I'm not sure the existing pkg is that much better
[18:17] <cyphermox> I'm just expressing doubt while I try to fix things
[18:17] <jbicha> I'm fine with the Release Team deciding either way
[18:18] <jbicha> I think GNOME's so desperate for docs contributors that they don't want to discourage them with inconveniences like string freezes
[19:20] <cyphermox> jbicha: we have those "inconveniences" for a reason though
[19:21] <jbicha> of course, and someone should encourage GNOME to have a docs string freeze too
[19:23] <cyphermox> well, it doesn't need to be up to GNOME necessarily, you don't need to be precisely in sync with every new release
[19:23] <jbicha> yes, I am ok with the Release Team saying no on this update
[19:25] <cyphermox> I got you; I'm not saying one way or another. if it was up to me; I'd say okay, but let's try to avoid very late uploads
[19:25] <cyphermox> jbicha: back when I was in desktop; we used http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html to track things, not all was up to date with the latest gnome
[19:27] <cyphermox> jbicha: aren't you a release manager for ubuntu-gnome?
[19:27] <jbicha> yes
[19:27] <cyphermox> AIUI part of it comes up to you, if you think this is worth respinning and re-testing.
[19:54] <slashd> For SRU, LP #1317491 has landed in -proposed on "2017-02-22" and has been tag "verification done" the following day "2017-02-23", and the package is languishing in -proposed since then "libvirt | 1.2.2-0ubuntu13.1.20 | trusty-proposed". Could someone please have a look this bug and let tinoco and I (slashd) know the outcome ?
[19:59] <nacc> slashd: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html shows non-green bugs
[19:59] <nacc> slashd: meaning some are not marked v-d
[20:00] <nacc> tinoco: --^
[20:00] <tinoco> nacc: mine is green
[20:00] <tinoco> the other is won't fix
[20:01] <nacc> tinoco: there are three bugs listed
[20:01] <tinoco> nacc: 2 wont fix and mine, green
[20:01] <nacc> ah that might need a special sru reminder, i'm not sure
[20:01] <nacc> rbasak: --^ ?
[20:02] <rbasak> Yeah if pending-sru doesn't show all green, ~ubuntu-sru will generally ignore it and will need a special prod.
[20:02]  * rbasak looks
[20:03] <nacc> won't fix seems like it should be struck-through or something on the pending-sru page (or there shouldn't be a task for trusty at all)
[20:03] <nacc> it seems odd
[20:03] <rbasak> Yeah
[20:03] <rbasak> The report could do with that fixing.
[20:09] <rbasak> Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed: 1317491
[20:09] <rbasak> So I'm not sure why the other bugs appear anyway
[20:09] <nacc> i see it's a jump of several versions, is it possible that one of the older versions fixes them (18 or 19)?
[20:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: gajim-omemo (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.0.0-1 => 1.0.0-2] (no packageset) (sync)
[20:10] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gajim-omemo [sync] (zesty-proposed) [1.0.0-2]
[20:10] <slashd> rbsak, 1483071 used to have a libvirt pkg in -proposed, and then has been tag to won't fix, maybe this is the reason ?
[20:10] <slashd> rbasak ^
[20:11] <slashd> but a year ago
[20:11] <slashd> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/1483071/comments/37
[20:11] <slashd> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/1483071/comments/39
[20:12] <rbasak> I'm not sure where the report gets the bug references from. I thought it was from the corresponding changes file only.
[20:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: fgrun (zesty-proposed/universe) [3.4.0.final-3 => 2016.4.0-1] (no packageset) (sync)
[20:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted fgrun [sync] (zesty-proposed) [2016.4.0-1]
[20:19] <rbasak> slashd, tinoco: released to trusty-updates. I see there's a separate libvirt SRU that may be ready in yakkety-proposed. I'll look at that tomorrow (it's my SRU day tomorrow).
[20:19] <tinoco> rbasak: tku very much Robie.
[20:19] <slashd> rbasak thank you very much, I appreciate it
[20:19] <tinoco> rbasak: this shall me fast for you (its a small one)
[20:20] <tinoco> analysis was way bigger then the fix itself
[20:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: sleekxmpp (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.3.1-5 => 1.3.1-6] (no packageset) (sync)
[20:22] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted sleekxmpp [sync] (zesty-proposed) [1.3.1-6]
[20:24] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: grub-installer (zesty-proposed/main) [1.128ubuntu7 => 1.128ubuntu8] (core)
[20:24] <cyphermox> infinity: grub-installer fix for ppc64el multipath installs ^^
[20:33] <cyphermox> jbicha: so; now that this is in the queue, I'm going to have another look at the bugs in iso.qa.u.c, and I'll spend a bit of time to check out gdm3/shell again
[20:33] <cyphermox> is there something in particular you'd want me to try?
[20:34] <cyphermox> I would possibly make a new install with the daily too.
[20:35] <jbicha> at least for the GNOME release notes, it would be interesting to know if Radeon broke with gdm3 from 16.10 to 17.04
[20:35] <cyphermox> mine is not radeon
[20:36] <cyphermox> well
[20:36] <cyphermox> not *only&
[20:36] <cyphermox> I have two systems affected, one of which is intel graphics.
[20:36] <cyphermox> the other is indeed radeon, but I'd rather not reinstall that now
[20:37] <cyphermox> I need to keep at least one untouched system to do work :)
[20:37] <jbicha> oh, Intel only is broken for you? when was the last time you tried gdm with it?
[20:37] <cyphermox> not only for me; I think Beret also has the same issue
[20:38] <cyphermox> Beret: can you comment on the last time you tried gdm, was that today and/or the most recent version in zesty?
[20:38] <cyphermox> jbicha: I'll do the test here *now*
[20:40] <jbicha> I'm sadly not a graphics guy, so the most I'll probably be able to do is ask you to file a bug and work with GNOME or Ubuntu's driver maintainers about the issues
[20:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: apparmor (zesty-proposed/main) [2.11.0-2ubuntu3 => 2.11.0-2ubuntu4] (core)
[20:41] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted gnome-user-docs [source] (zesty-proposed) [3.24.0-0ubuntu1]
[20:41] <cyphermox> jbicha: yeah, I fear it's a graphics driver issue, but the fact that it works in unity and not gnome looks suspect
[20:41] <cyphermox> (I know, it's not quite the same bits)
[20:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted apparmor [source] (zesty-proposed) [2.11.0-2ubuntu4]
[20:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted grub-installer [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.128ubuntu8]
[20:44] <cyphermox> possible slideshow update coming up from xubuntu...
[20:45] <tsimonq2> barry: I'm literally having the exact same problem with systemd-resolved as I did before.
[20:45] <tsimonq2> barry: I can't tell if this is a regression or an error on my part...
[20:46] <cyphermox> tsimonq2: REFUSED responses?
[20:47] <cyphermox> err, I mean, fails to resolve some things, and succeeds at others?
[20:48] <tsimonq2> mmm let me reboot quick, I needed to access email etc. so I just overwrote my /etc/resolv.conf quick, rebooting restores it
[20:48] <tsimonq2> Be back on my phone in a min or so
[20:50] <cyphermox> tsimonq2: or point me to a bug so I can look tonight
[20:50] <cyphermox> I need to quickly go take a shower so when my wife gets home I don't look like I'm some homeless person squatting the house :)
[20:51] <flocculant> lmao
[20:51] <tsimonq2> lol
[20:52] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: Yep, can't ping Google but I can ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:52]  * tsimonq2 pokes around a bit
[20:56] <tsimonq2> Yep, got nothing.
[20:56]  * tsimonq2 finds a bug report
[20:58] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: bug 1647031
[20:59] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: And I *do* have libnss-resolve installed.
[21:00] <Beret> cyphermox, today
[21:01] <tsimonq2> cyphermox: FWIW I have systemd 232-21ubuntu2 on my system.
[21:05] <cyphermox> ok
[21:05] <cyphermox> tsimonq2: let's move debugging this to #ubuntu-devel
[21:06] <cyphermox> jbicha: ^^
[21:06] <cyphermox> (I mean, Beret's tried gdm3 today, fails in a similar way than my system)
[21:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: update-manager (yakkety-proposed/main) [1:16.10.9 => 1:16.10.10] (core)
[21:19] <tjaalton> arges: hi, I'm not able to build a vlc for yakkety which does not have that silly ffmpeg "diff". pull-lp-source pulls two ffmpeg tarballs as you can see, but for some reason extracting <IP_ADDRESS> doesn't extract the newer ffmpeg, but creating a new version does include it in .dsc..
[21:20] <tjaalton> hm no
[21:20] <tjaalton> where did that come from..
[21:21] <tjaalton> extracting a pkg from a remote path copies the tarballs.. weird
[21:22] <tjaalton> ok, problem solved then :)
[21:22] <tjaalton> caused by having the tarballs for zesty in the same path when I originally created these..
[21:25] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: vlc (yakkety-proposed/universe) [2.2.4-4ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> => 2.2.4-4ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>] (mozilla, mythbuntu)
[22:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: python-pbcore (zesty-proposed/universe) [1.2.11+dfsg-1 => 1.2.11+dfsg-1ubuntu1] (no packageset)
[22:55] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted python-pbcore [source] (zesty-proposed) [1.2.11+dfsg-1ubuntu1]
[23:03] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (zesty-proposed/main) [124 => 125] (kubuntu, ubuntu-desktop)


[02:21] <hazmat> bcsaller, https://github.com/richardbutler/node-spritesheet
[08:35] <gary_poster> hazmat we are in a room: the farthest one you can get to in the conference area.  second door on the right of B5 IIRC
[08:38] <Makyo> benji, etc. lp:~makyo/juju-gui/add-rel-improvements
[09:22] <bcsaller> Makyo: http://themousepotatowebsite.co.za/demo/2011-11-03-javascript-events-capturing-and-bubbling/
[14:56] <benji> gary_poster: am I reading the summit site correctly that the charm store thing has disappeared?
[14:56] <gary_poster> looking
[14:56] <gary_poster> benji no moved to noon tomorrow
[14:57] <benji> gary_poster: ok


[02:18] <sarnold> tomreyn: what's the /bin/true in there for? :)
[02:40] <sarnold> tomreyn: .. and why's that output from n* missing the apt update output? :)
[02:42] <OerHeks> :-)
[02:42] <tomreyn> sarnold: the bin/true is so that the sudo password is cached early on
[02:43] <sarnold> tomreyn: ahhh
[02:43] <tomreyn> sarnold: "apt update" output starts after this line: "Pinned packages:"
[02:44] <tomreyn> actually no, you're right, it's missing
[02:44] <sarnold> hmm. i'm accustomed to seeing Hit: and Ign: lines.. a few hundred of hem
[02:44] <sarnold> well okay 48 now..
[02:44] <sarnold> but 0 doesn't feel right :)
[02:44] <tomreyn> yes, my bad, i need sleep.
[02:45] <tomreyn> sudo apt-get -qqy update
[02:45] <tomreyn> is the command running there
[02:45] <tomreyn> -qq as in super quiet
[02:46] <tomreyn> talk to you later!
[02:47] <sarnold> ahhhhhhhhh
[02:47] <sarnold> gnight tomreyn
[02:47] <sarnold> (I have to wonder if the -qq is hiding something important here :)
[02:48] <OerHeks> odd, so this is a multi arch machine, if i understand his 1st post right?
[02:48] <sarnold> I never understood where that :i386 came from
[02:48] <OerHeks> yes, that made it confusing
[02:51] <OerHeks> libglib2.0-dev and libpulse-dev bite ?
[03:01] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[04:17] <akemhp> Hello Ubuntus' world ;)
[04:17] <akemhp> Time for some coffee.
[04:17] <OerHeks> !find coffee
[04:17] <OerHeks> go wild
[04:18] <akemhp> Cool, i'll take the ruby flavor ;)
[04:26] <akemhp> I can sort my youtube subscription alphabeticly, there should be some small arrow in the corner but it's not there :( anyone experienced that?
[06:25] <ducasse> good morning
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks


 :P
[04:07] <blkperl> should be faster
[04:08] <bkero> If you're using a filesystem that supports cloining
[04:08] <bkero> cloning, Otherwise it doesn't make a difference
[06:16] <bkerensa> blkperl: I never fail u
[06:16] <bkerensa> blkperl: colo maybe?
[06:16] <bkerensa> :)
[06:17] <bkero> bkerensa: I can give you an ssh port, your own virtual mcahine, and as much http as you want
[06:18] <bkerensa> bkero:  oh this is for the loco... we have a 2U waiting for racking
[06:18] <bkero> Ah ok
[06:18] <bkerensa> bkero: tell your room mate to escalate the ticket ;)
[06:18] <bkerensa> its been waiting a year
[06:18] <bkerensa> ;p
[06:18] <bkero> bkerensa: he has a laptop, he will look at irc soon
[06:18] <bkero> He's watching Team America
[06:18] <bkerensa> LOL
[06:20] <bkero> srs
[06:23] <bkerensa> ugh
[06:23] <bkerensa> I'm about to ragequit on Samsung Support
[06:23] <bkerensa> :(
[20:54] <bkerensa> bdmurray: was the lp firefox extension able to be fixed? Now that I'm on doc commiters it would be even more usueful :P getting lots of invalid bug reports filed on ubuntu-docs and need canned responses :)
[21:39]  * MarkDude heard someone say its funny when you have to write a commit, "fixed after accidental breakage"
[21:39] <MarkDude> Doc also bkerensa ? Thats cool, keeping busy :)
[21:40] <bkerensa> too busy
[21:41] <bkerensa> <JoseeAntonioR> [15:19:27] maybe bkerensa wants to do a session about the documentation team for OpenWeek
[21:41] <bkerensa> <bkerensa> [19:18:22] JoseeAntonioR: I think I do not :)
[21:41] <bkerensa> :D
[21:56] <bkerensa> blkperl: You -> http://i.imgur.com/0GxvwaX.jpg
[22:06] <blkperl> bkerensa: oh..god...
[22:06] <blkperl> bkerensa: its blurry cant prove its me :)
[22:07] <bkerensa> blkperl: yeah man I need to get a real DSLR
[22:07] <bkerensa> :(
[22:07] <bkerensa> Hopefully this summer I will pickup a Canon or Nikon or something


[05:16] <guiverc> anyone readily know where I can download groovy mini.iso?  (or does it not exist?)
[05:24] <dax> guiverc: the /topic links to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/413/builds . click the green-arrow-CD icon on the relevant arch netboot line from there
[05:25] <dax> oh, those 404
[05:25] <dax> fun
[05:25]  * dax ponders
[05:25] <dax> oh, because they renamed the directory and didn't update the QA tracker *sigh*
[05:26] <guiverc> I tried 413/builds... 404 errors are in a bug report (fixed for lubuntu & ubuntu desktop... laney actioned those if I remember correctly)
[05:26] <dax> yeah, change /images/ to /legacy-images/
[05:26] <dax> in the download URL
[05:26] <dax> so e.g. http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/groovy/main/installer-amd64/20101020ubuntu621/legacy-images/netboot/mini.iso
[05:27] <guiverc> grrr... I had netboot disable far left... my usual choices hid it... thanks dax
[05:29] <guiverc> :)  thanks again dax
[05:29] <dax> no problem :)
[08:27] <guiverc> install finally finished.. even though groovy is in url name, test.install reports focal/20.04; something is wrong :(  (I'm too tired to care now though)


[03:19] <ShawnR> i think i'm gonna learn to speak spanish
[03:20] <ShawnR> oops, wrong chan
[20:37] <raub> Shouldn't the reverse zone entry (in named.conf.local) for <IP_ADDRESS>/27 look something like zone "64-<IP_ADDRESS>.in-addr.arpa" IN { [...] }; ?
[23:19] <karottenkop12> hi
[23:34] <karottenkop12> can someone help me?
[23:38] <karottenkop12> :-(


[00:57] <maco> highvoltage: riddell & scottk say yes akonaditray can be split off into its own package and not installed by default. so..there's a start
[01:34] <highvoltage> maco: ooh, great! thanks for following up on that
[01:35] <maco> getting akonadi-server to not be installed would be a great deal more effort though and would require collaboration with debian, so breaking up python-kde4 into being more modular is not going to be happening this cycle
[01:37] <highvoltage> for this cycle at least we'll just hide unwanted icons. knowing that it's fixable is at least a good start, knowing that people care enough to work towards a solution in the future is awesome.
[01:37] <maco> i should at some point get to know the debian kde packagers
[01:41] <highvoltage> sounds like a good thing to do... or even become one?
[10:05] <Edencampus> Hi, we got a nice new server at Eden campus. We currently run 10.04 with 32 clients (VXL TC3831) lab.
[10:05] <Edencampus> I installed 10.10 amd DVD and the clients now give the error about  the kernel and cmov.
[10:06] <Edencampus> Error This kernel requires the following features not present on the cpu: cx8 cmov
[10:06] <Edencampus> Unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU.
[10:06] <Edencampus> Is there a fix or should we just use version 10.04 for now?
[10:14] <alkisg> Afaik there's no fix, you need to use 10.04. Are you using LTSP? How much RAM do those clients have?
[10:42] <Edencampus> 512MB RAM. They have been running edudbuntu since about Dapper. LTSP is being run
[10:44] <Edencampus> A few have only 256MB Ram
[10:46] <Edencampus> I was hoping I could just rebuild or re-configure the thin client image in opt for edubuntu 10.10
[10:56] <Edencampus> the clients use VIA C3 800MHz processors - memory upgraded from 128 MB to 512 or 256 MB
[11:45] <Edencampus> Edubuntu 10.10 with via C3 clients - clients unable to boot due to cx8 and cmov kernel requirements - any suggestions?
[12:06] <Edencampus> Thanks for the input. Downloading 10.04 now. Pity about the new features in 10.10 - now unusable in many thin client labs.
[16:21] <maco> Edencampus: there is nothing to be done about it. i586 is an unsupported architecture these days
[21:06] <highvoltage> stgraber: heh, I see global menu is now enabled by default in gnome and the menu is now just the small gnome menu instead of Applications Places System
[21:09] <robehend1> i take it theres still no way to remove the places menu from the gnome menu? that, or my google-fu is seriously lacking recently
[21:14] <stgraber> highvoltage: using ubuntu again ? :)
[21:16] <highvoltage> stgraber: VM :)
[21:22] <highvoltage> stgraber: I'm just wondering whether we should keep that as-is in edubuntu or put it back to the old ways
[22:28] <stgraber> highvoltage: not sure, having a delta in the UI is relatively painful for stuff like documentation. I'd need to have a look at what the user experience exactly is with classic desktop on edubuntu and if it might cause issues for our users
[22:58] <highvoltage> stgraber: indeed, the way I see it it's basically wheighing the painfulness of UI change for no reason against ... oh you're jabbering me :)
[23:18] <highvoltage> oh right, that was about something entirely different
[23:18] <highvoltage> painfulness of UI change for no reason against the painfulness of having to maintain a change in default ubuntu
[23:23] <stgraber> if we plan on shipping with unity in 11.10, then following that change makes sense, because it'll be a smoother transition for our users
[23:24] <stgraber> if we don't, then it's indeed pointless


[01:08] <thafreak> Been a while, but what does everyone think about pureism's new service offerings?
[01:09] <thafreak> And by been a while, I mean since I was actually active here...
[01:10] <thafreak> And by purism I guess I'm actually refering to their "librem one" services
[01:11] <Unit193> About all I know is that DDs get discounts.
[11:40] <dzho> they're taking a little-to-no moderation approach, which has a lot of fediverse folks in a lather
[11:41] <dzho> free software folk seem to be taking a skeptical wait-and-see approach to how well they work as a downstream project with their upstreams.
[11:44] <dzho> that's generally speaking. There seems to be a dispersion of opinion there along the branding axis, but the saltiness there may be coming from people who don't quite get how the constraints of trademark intersect the constraints of FOSS licensing.
[11:45] <dzho> imagine, for instance, people complaining that CentOS wasn't giving enough credit to Red Hat because CentOS removed all the Red Hat branding, or that Ubuntu wasn't crediting Debian enough because of same.
[11:45] <dzho> If you don't understand that trademark all but requires this, you'd see it as underhanded.


[00:13] <nhandler> pleia2: Got the calendar stuff sorted out. Looks like we would probably want to do May 9th or 10th if we want to do it at Yelp
[01:08] <pleia2> nhandler: ok, we'll see what we hear from github and decide from there, thanks for looking into it :)


[11:09] <frickler> juergh: I'm curious, is kern-8925 some internal tracking code? cf. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta-hwe-6.5/+bugs?field.tag=kern-8925
[11:54] <juergh> frickler, yes. internal jira card.


[01:27] <guiverc> just reviewing uwn, which includes scan of https://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ ... I wondered if Ubuntu Summit being listed in calendar would help promote?  generic entry (3 days) should be easy to create
[01:30] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Ouch - in preping UWN I failed to look for other events :(
[01:31] <guiverc> hey Bashing-om , I just wrote ^ & I didn't think of it (regards UWN either!); occurred to me only with fridge-editors hat on.
[01:36] <Bashing-om> guiverc: I did include ^ in the "Upcoming Meetings and Events" but I note I failed to inlude another - fixing that exlusion now !
[01:37] <guiverc> yeah I just noticed on check, thanks Bashing-om