[18:36] <dell> 01:32:50 PM - dell: Hi, I have a hard drive and would like to copy all the .jpg files in its directories to somewhere else. Can I use this command? find . -name *.jpg | cp -r directory
[18:36] <dell> 01:32:50 PM - dell: Or should I do something else?
[18:37] <morph3k> bekks: what is install server from MAAS or whatever?
[18:37] <bekks> morph3k: I dont get your question - what do you talk about?
[18:37] <STMelon> KeyboardNotFound: XChat is an IRC chat program for both Linux and Windows. ... Linux/Unix releases have an even version number. ... XChat 2.8.9 (Windows Version) Released ...
[18:38] <morph3k> I just booted fromt he CD. I see: Install Ubuntu Server, Multiple Server install with MAAS
[18:38] <STMelon> xchat does not have a new release for linux as of yet
[18:38] <morph3k> Boot from first hard disk and Rescue a broken system (rescue broken system didnt work....i went in there and renamed rc and rc.local back)
[18:38] <OerHeks> KeyboardNotFound, xchat 2.8.9 is only available for windows, all linux versions are 2.8.8
[18:38] <KeyboardNotFound> Ok, sorry
[18:39] <morph3k> nevermind it would appear I have lost all my stuff
[18:42] <morph3k> sad about that :(
[18:42] <dell> 01:32:50 PM - dell: Hi, I have a hard drive and would like to copy all the .jpg files in its directories to somewhere else. Can I use this command? find . -name *.jpg | cp -r directory
[18:42] <dell> 01:32:50 PM - dell: Or should I do something else?
[18:43] <morph3k> dell: are all the jpg's in one folder?
[18:43] <dell> morph3k: no
[18:44] <morph3k> sorry ive never had much luck with the find command
[18:44] <morph3k> dell: try aptitude search
[18:44] <huttan> who
[18:44] <huttan> oops, wrong tty
[18:44] <morph3k> type man aptitude
[18:44] <morph3k> read the manual. its pretty good and easy
[18:45] <dell> morph3k: I know how to find all the files, but I do not know how to pipe it to the cp command?
[18:45] <morph3k> read the manual i just told you to and it will tell u how to find them
[18:46] <morph3k> someone else here might be able to tell you how to properly use the find command
[18:46] <mandoguit> aptitude for copying files???
[18:46] <morph3k> aptitude for search
[18:46] <morph3k> aptitude can do A LOT of stuff
[18:46] <datsmoida> what is the best way to monitor my bandwidth usage ?
[18:46] <datsmoida> in terminal
[18:46] <mandoguit> package search maybe....not all jpgs written to a hard drive
[18:47] <nightmare365> hi guys whenever i run sudo i don't get a password prompt ..is there any reason to worry .. i think this started after instaling the binary that comes with orange modems
[18:47] <mandoguit> locate would be more appropriate imho.... just make sure the data base is up to date
[18:47] <bekks> morph3k: What do you want to do?
[18:47] <bekks> morph3k: Please describe it, instead asking random things.
[18:47] <morph3k> bekks: its game over i just went ahead and formatted it
[18:48] <bekks> morph3k: There was no reason for doing that.
[18:48] <oriez> can someone recommend a good 1GB/s eth card that support ubuntu?
[18:48] <savid> On what versions of ubuntu is GLIB >= 2.24.0 available?
[18:48] <oriez> pci card of course
[18:48] <Arthur_rainbow> Hello
[18:48] <Arthur_rainbow> I hope it's the good channel for my question
[18:48] <Arthur_rainbow> Is there any way to rip my cd on the computer with the tag that are provided by something else than musicbrainz
[18:48] <Arthur_rainbow> My trouble is that most of my french cd are not known by musicbox and are known by itune or windows'media database, so I have to enter every information by hand on ubuntu, which takes a lot of time
[18:48] <FloodBot1> Arthur_rainbow: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:48] <bekks> oriez: Every somehow current card will do. :)
[18:48] <morph3k> bekks: i tried all i knew and you seemed to be getting annoyed with me
[18:49] <savid> I have 11.04 on one of my servers, but a configure script is failing with an error saying GLIB >= 2.24.0 not found.
[18:49] <morph3k> er
[18:49] <bekks> morph3k: No, I was just telling you to actually ask what you want to know instead asking random things which were unrelated to your problem.
[18:49] <morph3k> wait bekks it appears i have all my stuff here still
[18:49] <nuhuil> .
[18:49] <nightmare365> hi guys whenever i run sudo i don't get a password prompt ..is there any reason to worry .. i think this started after instaling the binary that comes with orange modems .. sorry for reposting
[18:50] <h00k> Arthur_rainbow: I've used MusicBrainz before, but maybe check the software center for anything that might be relevant
[18:50] <bekks> nightmare365: sudo remembers your password for a short time.
[18:50] <morph3k> bekks: the problem is I cannot login with any of my users. its taking me to my log on screen and all but wont let me login
[18:50] <h00k> bekks, nightmare365 It's 15 minutes, if you keep that terminal open.
[18:50] <bekks> nightmare365: And depending on its configuration it doesnt even ask you for a password for distinct commands.
[18:50] <morph3k> is there a way i can restore the things i messed with in init.d?
[18:51] <oriez> bekks: that's what i thought.. 'till bought a net TRENDnet card that doesn't seem to work for some reason
[18:51] <trism> savid: install libglib2.0-dev
[18:51] <bekks> morph3k: So WHY didnt you tell us that you messed around there? Why didnt you tell us what you did there, even after I asked you that?
[18:51] <melty> lol
[18:51] <morph3k> I did tell you bekks
[18:51] <morph3k> I told you i messed with the rc and rc.local in init.d
[18:51] <bekks> morph3k: You didnt tell us what you did there.
[18:51] <morph3k> yes, i did.
[18:52] <oriez> bekks: lights is on (LINK ACT) but noting in lspci ifconfig etc.
[18:52] <bekks> morph3k: you did THAT you did something, but not WHAT. :)
[18:52] <nightmare365> ooh i see .. sorry got a lil nervous :) thnks bekks and h00k
[18:52] <bekks> oriez: Get one $5 intel gbit card then :)
[18:52] <morph3k> okay. i removed some files like SSH and xorg
[18:52] <morph3k> then i renamed rc and rc.local
[18:53] <morph3k> i got back into my console and was able to rename them all back but it appears that something else has happened
[18:53] <bekks> morph3k: After you removed xorg, you are wondering your X server doesnt start anymore?
[18:53] <oriez> bekks: where is the 5$ cards? i see only 20$ - 15$
[18:53] <morph3k> X server is working for some reason
[18:53] <morph3k> and i dunno why. i dont even want a GUI
[18:54] <morph3k> I'm about to pop that dvd back in and see if i can get back into the console.
[18:56] <morph3k> if you know of anyway to fix this bekks id be in your eternal gratitude
[18:57] <datsmoida> is there a common linux command to monitor bandwidth usage ?
[18:57] <jeaton> how do you change the display manager, I was using gdm, and when I installed kde, it changed it to something else
[18:57] <bekks> morph3k: Restore the files you deleted from your backup - if you dont have one: reinstall your system.
[18:57] <jpds> !info vnstat | datsmoida
[18:57] <morph3k> i have these options right now:
[18:58] <morph3k> execute shell in /dev/sda1, execute a shell in the installer enviroment, reinstall grub, choose different root file system
[18:58] <datsmoida> what about iftop
[18:58] <bekks> morph3k: Insert an installation CD, and reinstall, if you dont have a backup.
[18:59] <RB2> yacc-in, I think I may have solved it!
[18:59] <yacc-in> :o how? :D
[19:00] <RB2> I just tried something different, but with the drivers from the nvidia site. I'm going uninstall those, install the repo versions and try again.
[19:00] <RB2> yacc-in, I'll report back in 5 or 10 minutes
[19:00] <yacc-in> yay
[19:00] <pc> Do the Dell wireless 1504 (some broadcom OEM-ed card) on dell laptops work ok in ubuntu?
[19:01] <trap24> anybody using TP-Link router, and logging onto it using ssh (in ubuntu) ?
[19:01] <BluesKaj> pc , most BCM cards work on ubuntu
[19:01] <melty> lol
[19:01] <pc> Alright, thanks
[19:01] <pc> I know it's some cheap-o OEM card, but there's got to be a gazillion of them out there
[19:02] <trism> jeaton: which ubuntu version? in more recent ones: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm; should offer you a menu to select the display manager
[19:02] <pc> I remember back in the day you had to get the intil centrino cards to get reliable linux support, but I hope that is behind us
[19:03] <BluesKaj> !broadcom | pc
[19:03] <jeaton> 12.10
[19:03] <jeaton> ill try it out, thanks trism
[19:03] <dell> Hi, I have a hard drive and would like to copy all the .jpg files in its directories to somewhere else. Can I use this command? find . -name *.jpg | cp -r directory
[19:03] <dell> Or should I do something else?
[19:04] <bekks> dell: Why do you use -r on that?
[19:04] <escott> dell, find . -iname *.jpg -exec cp {} target \;
[19:04] <dell> escott: thanks
[19:05] <Arthur_rainbow> h00k: thanks :) Sadly I didn't see anything usefull in the software I can install on ubuntu
[19:05] <Arthur_rainbow> And Rhythmbox check only musicbrainz as far as I understand, who works well if they already know the cd, which is not the case for the cd I have
[19:10] <SolarisBoy> Arthur_rainbow: try a software called beets (its a python script available in the repos) it will use other things than one source to tag music based on what it finds with varying modes of operation
[19:11] <SolarisBoy> Arthur_rainbow: you would do something like beet import /path/to/musicfolder and it will tag and copy the music into your library the way most players expect to see them
[19:15] <morph3k> bekks: looks like i can fix this if my damn internet willw ork
[19:15] <morph3k> i cant use apt-get or wget
[19:16] <RB2> yacc-in, I had to use the drivers from the website to make it work... but, I booted into recovery mode, enabled networking... (had to use Ctrl-C because of another bug).. then I uninstalled nvidia-current-updates, installed the nvidia 310.32 long-lived drivers, blacklisted nouveau and it works.
[19:16] <bekks> morph3k: Did you check wether you have a valid IP?
[19:17] <morph3k> yea i do
[19:17] <morph3k> something is just preventing me from connecting
[19:17] <RB2> yacc-in, your mileage may vary, but it's working for me.
[19:17] <yacc-in> RB2: so.. install driver from nvidia.com reinstall nonfree drivers frm repo (terminal) and then blacklist the OS drivers?
[19:17] <whoever> hi all , I have bluetooth headphones , that will randomly stop playing audio, and weather  I use the bluetooth icon or the terminal to try to restart bluetooth, the process never finishes, and just hangs at "stopping blutooth".  can someone assist
[19:17] <riegersn> is it possible to customize my trackpad functionality? example, I can right click with 2 finger click, but I want to turn OFF right click when clicking on the right side of the pad. is this possible?
[19:19] <morph3k> any idea bekks
[19:20] <bekks> morph3k: No. Not without the exact error message you get.
[19:20] <huttan> morph3k: have u made sure that its not a dns problem?
[19:20] <ecks> hello, I managed to brick my kubuntu partition somehow by installing kde 4.10. I can still access a tty and I'm trying to get networking to work atm. any help?
[19:20] <morph3k> temporarily failure resolving us.archiveubuntu.com
[19:21] <morph3k> Some files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[19:21] <bekks> morph3k: So what did you do to check wether you have a valid IP and a valid nameserver?
[19:21] <RB2> yacc-in, I removed the nonfree installed from the repo, installed the nvidia drivers I downloaded from the site (ignore the message about pre-install script failing) and then added nouveau to the /etc/modprobe/blacklist.conf file
[19:21] <morph3k> ifconfig
[19:22] <morph3k> then i did ifconfig eth0 down and ifconfig eth0 up
[19:22] <PH5> hey, what software can i use to put Ubuntu on a USB drive?
[19:22] <yacc-in> ah ok so you are using the website drivers now?
[19:22] <ecks> PH5: unetbootin
[19:22] <bekks> morph3k: Why did you FIRST control, then down/up the interface?
[19:22] <RB2> yacc-in, FYI, if it doesn't work right for you, you can run the install again with --uninstall and it will remove them
[19:22] <RB2> yacc-in, yes... working great
[19:23] <GabMus_> hello again
[19:23] <morph3k> what do u mean bekks
[19:23] <yacc-in> hmm nice
[19:23] <yacc-in> or sad... :D
[19:23] <RB2> yacc-in, Hope it works for you if you try it...
[19:23] <RB2> Both!
[19:23] <PH5> hey, what software can i use to put Ubuntu on a USB drive?
[19:23] <huttan> morph3k: curl -s http://checkip.dyndns.org | sed 's/[a-zA-Z/<> :]//g'
[19:23] <bekks> morph3k: "ifconfig, then ifconfig ... down, then ... up".
[19:23] <tgm4883> PH5, you were already answered
[19:23] <GabMus_> i have a problem with kde 4.10 on kubuntu 12.04. I installed kubuntu backports repo and now kde session doesnt work
[19:23] <tgm4883> PH5, no need to ask the same question again
[19:23] <yacc-in> someone who knows how to do that kind of stuff should make a workin packag and create a repo for that :/
[19:23] <PH5> really, oh
[19:23] <bekks> huttan: Which doesnt help determining having a valid IP or not.
[19:24] <huttan> bekks: if it returns an ip he has got one
[19:24] <PH5> thanks vary much
[19:24] <huttan> bekks: ifconfig will most likely check his local ip
[19:24] <tgm4883> PH5, even if you weren't answered, 1 minute isn't long enought to wait before asking again
[19:24] <bekks> huttan: And if not you cant tell anything. It is like closing your eyes and guessing why it might be dark.
[19:24] <bekks> huttan: And we NEED to check his local ip.
[19:24] <tgm4883> bekks, because it's nighttime?
[19:25] <bekks> tgm4883: Maybe. Maybe not.
[19:25] <tgm4883> because I'm blind?
[19:25] <AlecTaylor> hi
[19:25] <tgm4883> bekks, this isn't a very good game you came up with :/
[19:25] <AlecTaylor> Should we expect many changes between the kernel freeze tomorrow and the second alpha on the 14th?
[19:25]  * AlecTaylor wants to upgrade from 12.04
[19:25] <yacc-in> oh RB2 hae you tried the ones from ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa ?
[19:25] <labsin> A question here. Anybody using XChat? I don't get thy system icon and the popup boxes.
[19:25] <tgm4883> AlecTaylor, probably looking for #ubuntu+1
[19:26] <AlecTaylor> tgm4883: That channel is dead >.<
[19:26] <tgm4883> labsin, I am
[19:26] <RB2> yacc-in, you know.. I thought that when the nonfree drivers from the repo were installed, it was supposed to blacklist nouveau... but it definitely wasn't
[19:26] <tgm4883> AlecTaylor, this isn't the chat for dev help
[19:26] <tgm4883> AlecTaylor, dev release help I mean
[19:26] <RB2> yacc-in, but I don't know enough about it to say whether I'm correct or not
[19:26] <bekks> morph3k: So which IP do you have, and whoch nameserver do you use?
[19:26] <tgm4883> AlecTaylor, you can apparently get banned for that
[19:26] <AlecTaylor> bahaha
[19:26] <RB2> yacc-in, No, I didn't try those. What version do they have?
[19:26] <yacc-in> hmm idk...
[19:26] <morph3k> bout to try bekks
[19:27] <labsin> tgm4883: so, do you have a system icon?
[19:27] <bekks> morph3k: There is nothing to try about it - just look up the information :)
[19:27] <yacc-in> "In this page, we will help you install Nvidia driver 304.32 on Ubuntu and Linux Mint via PPA."
[19:27] <tgm4883> labsin, I'm assuming you are asking about the notification area (eg. system tray)?
[19:28] <labsin> yes sorry
[19:28] <RB2> yacc-in, ahh ok. I'm running 310.32
[19:28] <tgm4883> labsin, no I do not
[19:28] <yacc-in> RB2 maybe it has those too
[19:29] <morph3k> heh
[19:29] <morph3k> dont have curl on here bekks
[19:29] <RB2> yacc-in, I'll check it out for a more perm. solution. For now, I'm just happy it's working. :D
[19:29] <bekks> morph3k: You DONT NEED curl.
[19:29] <SolarisBoy> woa
[19:29] <morph3k> i have ATT
[19:29] <bekks> morph3k: You need the output of ifconfig and the content of /etc/resolv.conf
[19:29] <yacc-in> RB2 then i guess ill just finish this quest and try it too :D
[19:30] <bekks> morph3k: Even using ATT doesnt require to use curl for determining the information requested.
[19:30] <RB2> yacc-in, :D Nice. Let me know how you make out.
[19:30] <morph3k> i got the ifconfig
[19:30] <morph3k> but there is no resolv.conf in /etc
[19:30] <morph3k> http://snapplr.com/6gzd
[19:30] <morph3k> that is my ifconfig
[19:31] <bekks> morph3k: Then you dont have a nameserver configured which is why you cant access the internet.
[19:31] <yacc-in> sure :) brb ^^
[19:31] <morph3k> got DNS servers
[19:31] <morph3k> and Search Domains
[19:31] <tgm4883> morph3k, are you using 12.04 or newer and network manager?
[19:31] <bekks> morph3k: You just said you dont.
[19:31] <morph3k> on my mac bekks
[19:31] <bekks> morph3k: I dont care about your mac.
[19:31] <morph3k> http://snapplr.com/wvw8
[19:31] <morph3k> its using the same ip
[19:32] <SolarisBoy> hmmm
[19:32] <MarKsaitis> can somebody answer me a question here, a normal question?!!! Why Ubuntu 12.04 LTS is not updating alpha samba4 to the stable? What on earth is going on? How long do we need to wait for this!!!!
[19:32] <tgm4883> morph3k, are you using 12.04 or newer and network manager?
[19:32] <MarKsaitis> HELP!
[19:32] <bekks> morph3k: Then you have an IP address conflict.
[19:32] <morph3k> im on 12.04 tgm4883
[19:32] <tgm4883> morph3k, can you pastebin the output of 'nm-tool'
[19:32] <bekks> morph3k: Since when do you knwo your ubuntu has the same IP as your Mac?
[19:32] <pvh_sa> hey there - i've just upgraded my 12.04 to 12.10 - now in empathy when I hit F4 to see accounts all i see is the "Online Accounts" thing that doesn't include a bunch of my accounts. how do I get to see my account settings??
[19:33] <morph3k> tgm4883: says failed to conenct to the socket
[19:33] <morph3k> hold on bekks let met ry something
[19:33] <whoever> is there a known prop with bluetooth an 64bit randomly freezing? i don't see any reported bugs
[19:33] <bekks> morph3k: You have an IP address conflict - all errors are irrelevant until solving that conflict.
[19:33] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, because it's not in the main repository
[19:33] <MarKsaitis> wtf is ubuntu thinking, not updating one of the most important packages on LTS distro!
[19:34] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, it's not supported by canonical
[19:34] <MarKsaitis> but it is a major soft on a major LTS system
[19:34] <MarKsaitis> so basically ubuntu doesn't give a shit about samba 4 ? is that what it is then?
[19:34] <MarKsaitis> it's so wrong...
[19:34] <SolarisBoy> they probably have a process.
[19:34] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, not necessarily. You might think it's a major piece of software, others may disagree
[19:34] <tgm4883> !ohmy | MarKsaitis
[19:35] <MarKsaitis> It surelly is, loads of users, that one big fat fact
[19:35] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, citation needed?
[19:35] <morph3k> because I jsut looked bekks
[19:35] <bekks> morph3k: Did you solve the IP address conflict yet?
[19:36] <tgm4883> morph3k, I think the "failed to connect to socket" speaks of some issues here
[19:36] <MarKsaitis> I dont have the statistics, but it's quite a major soft
[19:36] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, says one guy on IRC
[19:36] <morph3k> wait bekks
[19:36] <morph3k> no
[19:36] <SolarisBoy> no its not MarKsaitis
[19:36] <morph3k> the ip is different
[19:36] <bekks> tgm4883: the issue is he is having the same IP on two computers.
[19:36] <morph3k> i have it on NAT
[19:36] <tgm4883> bekks, is that confirmed?
[19:37] <bekks> morph3k: OK, good luck then on solving your problems - I am out your support request because of the misleading and unreliable information getting from on every question. Good luck.
[19:37] <STMelon> just like gimp and libreoffice, MarKsaitis, ubuntu 12.04 is exactly what it is LTS version, its more about stability than the newest stable bleeding edge packages
[19:38] <morph3k> im sorry i got confused
[19:38] <STMelon> you can, however, update the bleeding edge packages yourself.
[19:38] <cnb_> I've installed Munin 2.0.2 on Ubuntu 12.10, and munin-cgi-html produces URLs which do not contain /cgi-bin/munin-cgi-graph despite having cgiurl_graph set.  How can I get munin-cgi-graph running and called correctly?
[19:39] <MarKsaitis> STMelon, it's not so much about bleeding edge.... samba 4 is stable, and why keep samba4 alpha in lts? doesn't make sense. Nobody is going to use this samba4 alpha, users are complaining over the internet... that samba4 alpha is worse than nothing
[19:39] <MarKsaitis> there is 0 stability with alpha soft
[19:39] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, it's not in MAIN
[19:39] <pvh_sa> MarKsaitis, sure, but you're not going to get anywhere with arguing this on IRC, right? the teams responsible aren't here listening
[19:39] <MarKsaitis> I know, but it's a major soft in heterogenous networks
[19:40] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, which means that Canonical hasn't committed to supporting it.  It doesn't install automaticly
[19:41] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, I'm not 100% familiar with it, but unless you are immitating a Windows 2008 Domain Controller, you don't need Samba4
[19:41] <tgm4883> labsin, great find! I've been wanting that back
[19:41] <STMelon> xchat-indicator is nice
[19:41] <melty> lol
[19:41] <STMelon> i had to dl the sound file to get xchat sounds though
[19:42] <labsin> STMelon sound file?
[19:42] <STMelon> xchat-sounds.tar.gz
[19:42] <STMelon> that 1
[19:42] <STMelon> so it beeps when you say my name .. yadda yadda
[19:43] <STMelon> sorry, i know this isnt #xchat
[19:43] <pvh_sa> how do you enable it once you've installed it?
[19:44] <tgm4883> \0/
[19:44] <labsin> STMelon: it's in its repo and ubuntu specific... :D and the xchat irc was empty
[19:44] <STMelon> extract the .tar file, i created a sound folder in /home/myname/.xchat2 and put that extracted file into the sound folder i created in .xchat2
[19:44] <STMelon> no it wasnt
[19:44] <tgm4883> pvh_sa, if you're talking about the indicator, I restarted xchat
[19:44] <STMelon> or at least well, i didnt look in repo
[19:44] <tgm4883> pvh_sa, then something needs to happen to notify you, and it shows up in the messanging menu
[19:44] <werxxx> Hello
[19:45] <tripelb> I need help with partitioning. Fdisk sees them, gparted does not.. Can't have partition outside of disk. How can I fix this mess. Been reading man fdisk and my head swims.
[19:45] <STMelon> xhcta-indicator is in repo
[19:45] <tripelb> Man sfdisk
[19:45] <morph3k> hmm
[19:45] <morph3k> well
[19:45] <escott> tripelb, what does "sudo parted -l" say
[19:45] <morph3k> i cant figure out this damn ifconfig
[19:45] <morph3k> to assign my ip to it
[19:46] <tgm4883> morph3k, why are you trying to assign your IP via ifconfig?
[19:46] <morph3k> thats the only way i thought u could
[19:46] <tgm4883> morph3k, you are using network manager?
[19:46] <escott> tripelb, also you should not be using fdisk.
[19:46] <morph3k> idk tgm4883
[19:46] <morph3k> its CLI
[19:46] <morph3k> how cani check
[19:46] <tgm4883> morph3k, ah
[19:46] <tgm4883> morph3k, is this a server?
[19:46] <morph3k> yes
[19:47] <morph3k> on a VM
[19:47] <tgm4883> morph3k, ah
[19:47] <morph3k> i do my coding on it
[19:47] <MoTec> I need some help... I need everyone willing to perform a nslookup and tell me if you get a valid response or a timeout (or refused response.  nslookup -type=mx mail.mil
[19:47] <tgm4883> morph3k, so you should probably assign it in /etc/network/interfaces then
[19:47] <MoTec> Please... Trying to determine if there are widespread issues with their nameservers or if my smarthost sucks.
[19:47] <Tex_Nick> labsin:  12.10 gnome classic ... my popups appear in a dialog type box that appears in main window ... what type stuff does the indicator provide ... guess i just need to install it
[19:47] <jkyle> I'm trying to install the lvm2 package on 12.04, it throws this error: lvm2 : Depends: watershed (>= 2) but it is not installable
[19:47] <werxxx> I could not to have got ubuntu via CD if I can it
[19:47] <pvh_sa> morph3k, the ip tool is a bit easier. as in "ip addr add A.B.C.D dev eth0" stuff
[19:48] <tgm4883> MoTec, I get a valid response
[19:48] <MoTec> tgm4883: thank you very much
[19:48] <tgm4883> pvh_sa, does that last threw a reboot?
[19:48] <morph3k> how tgm4883
[19:48] <morph3k> im in interfaces right now
[19:48] <morph3k> wtf do i type in here
[19:49] <pvh_sa> tgm4883, no, but if you want to last through a reboot and you don't have network managers, use /etc/network/interfaces
[19:49] <tgm4883> morph3k, https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html#ip-addressing
[19:49] <pvh_sa> morph3k, see http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[19:49] <MarKsaitis> tgm4883, so this means that 12.04 lts is going to stay with alpha release of samba4 forever?
[19:50] <alegen> can anyone give me some hints on firewall builder? when i use the compiled rules, all ports become blocked, even the ones that should be open :(
[19:50] <alegen> is there something i should take into consideration?
[19:50] <morph3k> sudo ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:50] <morph3k> that part tgm4883
[19:50] <morph3k> ?
[19:51] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, probably
[19:51] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, unless someone does the work to backport it
[19:52] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, this guy seems to have opened a support request with Canonical and gotten an answer http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=12458586&postcount=14
[19:52] <MarKsaitis> ironic :) samba guys say that it is not good installing it from these repos as it's alpha nonworking stuff = useless, they recommend building from source. However when you build from source, there gets to be issues with other stuff which depends on samba4.... and therefore any package manager installs of soft depending on it do not work, makes stuff impractical to use as I can't even touch it. It's the same as lic
[19:52] <MarKsaitis> king icecream over the window
[19:53] <MarKsaitis> I seen it.... is that how they make money then? but leaving some bugs in the system and just going away
[19:53] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, they commit to supporting certain packages
[19:54] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, samba4 isn't one of those packages
[19:55] <MarKsaitis> is there such a distro where samba4 would be the main package? any of the big good distros?
[19:56] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, it's not in the MAIN repository, so it's not supported by canonical (samba4 is in the universe repo)
[19:56] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, samba4 release is in debian experimental
[19:56] <morph3k> tgm4883
[19:56] <morph3k> gateway=dns?
[19:56] <morph3k> cos if not idk where my gateway is
[19:56] <tgm4883> morph3k, not always
[19:56] <morph3k> where can i find it
[19:57] <tgm4883> morph3k, this is a small home network?
[19:57] <morph3k> yep
[19:57] <tgm4883> morph3k, it's probably your router then
[19:57] <MarKsaitis> I know, why have it there anyways... no point. What do you mean experimental... there is a stable version of it... the code is ok, no more experiments with it, its good to use :D
[19:58] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, I don't have the time to discuss the differences in repositories and what experimental means. Basically it's needing testing on debian (which isn't 100% true, as then it would be in the testing repo)
[19:58] <morph3k> it didnt change tgm4883....
[19:58] <woodt> Currently using Drupal 6 on 10.04.  Seems that core and a few modules haven't been updated lately.  Anyone know what gives?
[19:58] <STMelon> for debian and/or canonical to determine if the package is stable to work with their OS it goes through testing, just because it may be stable within the samba community, it may not be completely functional within debian/ubuntu
[19:58] <tgm4883> morph3k, you put all that info in there?
[19:58] <tgm4883> morph3k, in /etc/network/interfaces?
[19:59] <MarKsaitis> whatever the reasons are, I still find it ridiculous :) thank you for your atention
[19:59] <STMelon> even so, if it is functional in the debian/ubuntu world. it still goes through a process
[19:59] <morph3k> yes tgm4883
[19:59] <morph3k> then id id the ifconfig eth0 down
[19:59] <morph3k> up
[19:59] <tgm4883> morph3k, did you restart networking or the machine?
[19:59] <tgm4883> morph3k, that isn't restarting networking
[19:59] <morph3k> ok how do i restart the networking
[19:59] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, there is lots of software that doesn't get updated in an LTS, some that are far more used than Samba4
[20:00] <tgm4883> morph3k, 'sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart'
[20:00] <STMelon> kinda like windows, the updates dont install libreoffice 4 etc etc .. you have to manually install it yourself
[20:00] <STMelon> here in ubuntu, you have the choice to install the upgrades as well.
[20:00] <STMelon> but you have to do it manually
[20:00] <tgm4883> STMelon, the samba4 team hasn't even updated the samba4 PPA
[20:01] <DeadWeasel> anybody gotten a wallpaper to span dual monitors in 12.04?
[20:01] <MarKsaitis> well, on windows, the os and the programs are two seperate things, OS is stable, and you can have whatever soft installed and running in seconds, experimental or just for the plain fun - the system doesnt give a toss :D
[20:01] <STMelon> i dont use samba i have it disabled anyays
[20:01] <morph3k> blah just errors tgm4883
[20:01] <morph3k> i give up
[20:01] <tgm4883> STMelon, I'm wondering if it's as easy as a apt-get source samba4, grabbing the release, and building it
[20:01] <tgm4883> morph3k, what errors?
[20:01] <morph3k> failed to open statefile /run/network/ifstate no such file or directory
[20:01] <STMelon> prolly, or the ppa
[20:01] <morph3k> for both ifdown and ifup
[20:02] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, that is very much the same thing for Linux, only better (eg. more separate)
[20:02] <tgm4883> morph3k, why are you doing ifdown and ifup?
[20:02] <tgm4883> morph3k, how about you don't touch those again and just reboot the machine
[20:02] <MarKsaitis> well, if it is, I only want to install sogo + samba 4 + openchange = impossible mission :) not so seperate
[20:02] <tgm4883> STMelon, well there isn't a PPA for samba4 that has the release on it for 12.04
[20:03] <STMelon> tell MarKsaitis that, like i said i dont even have samba enabled
[20:03] <STMelon> lol
[20:03] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, have you tried what I suggested above?
[20:03] <STMelon> or better yet, i dont have samba installed
[20:03] <morph3k> i didnt
[20:03] <morph3k> look tgm4883
[20:03] <MarKsaitis> tgm4883, which sugestion? :)
[20:03] <sidney_> Yesterday I had a problem with 10.04 booting to a black screen. The problem had to do with hibernation so it is working now
[20:04] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, doing the apt-get source, grabbing the release tarball,and seeing if it builds
[20:04] <morph3k> http://snapplr.com/tr57 tgm4883
[20:04] <morph3k> i got to save a little bit of code
[20:04] <morph3k> so
[20:04] <tgm4883> morph3k, interesting
[20:04] <morph3k> it happens i guess
[20:04] <morph3k> ill just reinstall
[20:04] <MarKsaitis> tgm4883, well, I built it from source already. samba4 is working like a charm from source
[20:04] <MarKsaitis> no problems whatsoever with it :)
[20:05] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, ok, then I'm really not sure the issue then
[20:05] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, unless you are saying it should just be available
[20:05] <MarKsaitis> the problem is, that the system thinks samba4 is not installed and none of the other library packages going with it are installed.
[20:05] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, well doing what I suggested above would resolve that
[20:05] <MarKsaitis> and having said that, if I try to apt-get install openchange, the systems shuts me up in a second.... It sugest me that crappy samba4 alpha....
[20:05] <Guest46388> i have problem with backtrack 5
[20:06] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, as you would have the package installed
[20:06] <tgm4883> !backtrack | Guest46388
[20:06] <MarKsaitis> tgm4883, I dont get it :)
[20:06] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, I mean, I'm willing to try it after lunch if you want
[20:07] <MarKsaitis> tell me what do you mean as I didn't quite get it
[20:07] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, if you grab the source (via apt-get source samba4) it downloads the packaging stuff for samba4, then grab the release tarball, and you can build it (eg. make a .deb of samba 4)
[20:07] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, then just install that deb
[20:07] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, there might be some tweaking involved, I haven't tried doing that but it should work
[20:08] <tgm4883> You'll probably need a 'apt-get build-deps samba4' in there somewhere
[20:08] <Guest46388> my problem is firefox
[20:08] <guinpennep> Hi, I am very very new to linux/ubuntu. I am in trouble here and this is my last restort. question. How do I reformat my usb flash stick and install ubuntu on it so it auto installs?
[20:08]  * genii-around slides phunyguy a coffee
[20:08] <DeadWeasel> anybody gotten a wallpaper to span dual monitors in 12.04?
[20:08] <morph3k> guinpennep: format it to FAT32
[20:08] <morph3k> put ubuntu on it
[20:08] <morph3k> boot from USB
[20:08] <histo> !usb | guinpennep
[20:09] <guinpennep> Ok, i am very new.. Just a moment.
[20:09] <guinpennep> How do I format my hardrive? With disk?
[20:09] <MarKsaitis> tgm4883, sounds like too much advanced for me as i never tried this stuff, I bet it wouldnt work for me and I would find myself after 1 day even in a bigger hole digging some other stuff in this whole thing, like in 10th level recursion trying to solve problem underneath problem
[20:09] <morph3k> nope that usb will doit for ya :)
[20:09] <guinpennep> Accidently installed 1500 files
[20:09] <morph3k> if u can though
[20:09] <morph3k> getting it on a dvd is better
[20:09] <morph3k> and guinpennep
[20:09] <histo>  guinpennep You can format it from the usb.
[20:09] <morph3k> if ur REALLY new
[20:09] <guinpennep> from the usb?
[20:10] <morph3k> u might want to look at linux mint
[20:10] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, you've installed something from source, you have done more than most people and aren't very far from making a package
[20:10] <histo> guinpennep: what's you native language?
[20:10] <morph3k> it has a lot better GUI
[20:10] <guinpennep> I just dropped out of college, micro soft server.
[20:10] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, that said, I'll try it after lunch and see what happens
[20:10] <guinpennep> English
[20:10] <morph3k> the ubuntu GUI blows now
[20:10] <morph3k> i just use ubuntu for server
[20:10] <morph3k> bc its got a nice solid infrastructure
[20:10] <morph3k> but they ruined it with unity
[20:10] <MarKsaitis> tgm4883, thank you :) sounds very kind of you, I doubt it's gonna work but hey :)
[20:10] <guinpennep> Going to get my certification in linux, just read the begginers manual.
[20:10] <tgm4883> morph3k, unity is pretty nice
[20:10] <histo> !notunity | morph3k
[20:11] <STMelon> <- likes unity
[20:11] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, if you stay in this channel, I'll let you know
[20:11] <morph3k> gnome is just as bad
[20:11] <tgm4883> I'm about to head to lunch, so we'll see
[20:11] <histo> morph3k: You can install cinaman in ubuntu as well.
[20:11] <morph3k> can u put Xfce on it>
[20:11] <histo> morph3k: yes
[20:11] <MarKsaitis> since I went with sources regarding samba4 stuff, I think I will need to source build openchange too
[20:11] <histo> !xfce | morph3k
[20:11] <morph3k> if ur gonna do cinnamon might a swell do linux mint
[20:11] <morph3k> xfce is nice
[20:11] <guinpennep> I am going to stick with ubuntu for now.
[20:11] <morph3k> guinpennep: go with xubuntu.org
[20:11] <morph3k> xfce is WAY BETTER
[20:11] <Eax> Hey there - Installed Ubuntu on my desktop machine. I have a RAID0 with Windows on it, and an HDD for Ubuntu - The RAID0 is /dev/sda and /dev/sdb - The Ubuntu is /dev/sdc - I tried putting the GRUB Bootloader on /dev/sda, but it failed, so I chose /dev/sdc and it worked - But it doesn't seem like GRUB is the bootloader as it loads directly into Windows. Any ideas folks? :) Thanks!
[20:12] <guinpennep> oh. I ubuntu.d .com
[20:12] <guinpennep> Screw me
[20:12] <DeadWeasel> anybody gotten a wallpaper to span dual monitors in 12.04?
[20:12] <guinpennep> I wish I dl'd a irc client right away.
[20:12] <guinpennep> Been using IRC since 1997
[20:12] <guinpennep> ninety five.
[20:13] <doomlord> how is ubuntu on he nexus 7
[20:13] <guinpennep> Can't believe what W did with 8.
[20:13] <STMelon> IRC since 98 for me
[20:14] <MarKsaitis> tgm4883, okay, well let me know, very kind :)
[20:14] <guinpennep> Played text based video games since 95
[20:14] <STMelon> and if i wanted a TABLET i'd go buy one, and not Win 8, refuses win8
[20:14] <ecks> Hello, I broke my networking in 12.10. How can I fix it through commandline?
[20:14] <eni> is ix86 only for 32b or 64b intels as well/
[20:14] <yacc-in> i want to punch the "Online Accounts" settings UI Developer in the face.
[20:15] <DeadWeasel> shoulda been playing doom and quake
[20:15] <Tex_Nick> guinpennep:  #ubuntu-offtopic is for chat ... this channel is for specific support questions
[20:15] <cnb_> I'm having a problem installing Munin.  The Munin mailing list claims it's a problem with the Ubuntu package.  How can I fix it?
[20:15] <DeadWeasel> dialing in to your friends
[20:15] <STMelon> x86 is 32bit
[20:15] <yacc-in> seriously... if you dare to choose a fixed window height, make sure i can use everthing that is ever going to be displayed in side of it!"
 (Also, thanks!)
[20:16] <guinpennep> xubuntu.org? are you sure?
[20:16] <triplebb> I am a but lost in "nautilus" in lubuntu.  The window will not go "up" to show all drives. I can't see the flash drive since I closed the window that comes up when it is inserted. And I can't do an "eject" on it. Anyone familiar with lubuntu?
[20:16] <histo> !grub2 | Eax
[20:16] <histo> triplebb: Why are yo using nautilus in lubuntu?
[20:17] <nomodeset> where to get dbus-glib-1 from? please
[20:17] <triplebb> Ph5 on a windows system?
[20:17] <Eax> histo: That doesnt really say much about it :S
[20:18] <ecks> anyone? :)
[20:18] <Eax> ecks: How did you break it? :)
[20:18] <triplebb> His to, I said "nautilus" in quotes cause I meant the gui-ls whatever it is called.
[20:19] <histo> Eax: Sure it does it shows you how to install grub
[20:19] <nomodeset> I need to compile firefox, but i need a library that i can not found, where to get dbus-glib-1 from? please
[20:19] <triplebb> histo: ^^^
[20:19] <guinpennep> I have a lot of questions, apologies ={
[20:19] <ecks> Eax: I don't really know, it decided to whitescreen whenever I load the partition, but I can access tty through ctrl+alt+f1
[20:19] <Eax> histo: Ah, fair point - Thanks :)
[20:19] <histo> triplebb: pcmanfm is the default file manager in lubuntu. What is the issue now?
[20:19] <Eax> ecks: Can you ping anything?
[20:20] <ecks> Eax: nope
[20:20] <triplebb> I need help with partitioning. Fdisk sees them, gparted does not.. Says "Can't have partition outside of disk." How can I fix this mess?    Been reading man sfdisk and my head swims.
[20:20] <Eax> ecks: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-network-restart/ <- MIGHT works :)
[20:20] <cnb_> Where can I get help with an Ubuntu packaging issue?
[20:20] <AlecTaylor> trijntje: just use fdisk
[20:20] <AlecTaylor> It's not that difficult
[20:21] <parallel21> I feel I install ubuntu server so much. Does anyone know anything about makign post install script or the like?
[20:21] <ecks> Eax: It doesn't
[20:21] <bekks> parallel21: post install script for what?
[20:21] <maurice> quick question
[20:22] <histo> triplebb: are there files present? Also fdisk doesn't understand gpt
[20:22] <triplebb> histo: I am a bit lost using "pcmanfm" in lubuntu.  The window will not go "up" to show all drives. I can't see the flash drive since I closed the window that comes up when it is inserted. And I can't do an "eject" on it. Anyone familiar with lubuntu?
[20:22] <maurice> does grub start after teh ubunutu crypt program and you have entered in your details?
[20:23] <Eax> ecks: No clue then, sorry :/
[20:23] <triplebb> histo: also I forgot how to look at flash drive or eject it in terminal.
[20:23] <parallel21> bekks: For ubuntu server. Or ubuntu for that matter. I build a server tear it down or feel it too messy. I'd like to build a server with a sort of auto-install script. Maybe I should just create an image to image on computers. Just something to make the install process simpler. I always seems to forget a step or two when repeating an install
[20:23] <triplebb> histo:  my main problem is gparted can't see partitions and I must fix them.
[20:23] <ecks> Eax: thanks anyway. anyone else?
[20:24] <tgm4883> parallel21, puppet FTW
[20:24] <dariush> Hi every one
[20:24] <nomodeset> I need to compile firefox, but i need a library that i can not found, where to get dbus-glib-1 from? please
[20:24] <triplebb> histo: I am using a LiveCD. I also have a 12.04 Ubuntu LiveCD. The computer is old'
[20:25] <triplebb> histo: I am using a LiveCD. I also have a 12.04 Ubuntu LiveCD. The computer is old 2002, dell 1100
[20:25] <yacc-in> where can i configure the notifications (position)?
[20:26] <dariush> I need to chat with an american about ubuntu for my English class home work and I dont know english well :(
[20:26] <parallel21> tgm4883: Yeah? You use it much?
[20:26] <tgm4883> parallel21, yep, I use it at work when provisioning a new ubuntu server
[20:26] <guma> I was wondering is there is a way to create user 'suser' with nologon (I got that) and setup so users from specific group can 'su - suser' with no password? Anyone can help. Please pm me.. Thanx
[20:27] <daze> dariush: why necessarily American? :)
[20:27] <StevenR> guma: man sudoers ?
[20:27] <parallel21> tgm4883: Also aren't there recipes for puppet? Or am I thinking chef lingo...
[20:27] <guinpennep> How do I make my usb stick bootable?
[20:27] <dariush> daze : no but know eng well
[20:27] <guma> StevenR: I did but I almost locked myself out :)
[20:27] <StevenR> guma: and use sudo :)
[20:28] <tgm4883> parallel21, manifests, but yea it sounds similar
[20:28] <StevenR> guma: implement carefully on a test system or test VM then
[20:28] <daze> dariush: what do you want to know about Ubuntu? :)
[20:28] <parallel21> tgm4883: Aye, well then I will dive into this. Thanks for the tip
[20:28] <guma> StevenR: thanx :)
[20:28] <triplebb> histo: yes there are files on the windows partition and on a dell partition. The Linux partitions 'she throws up her hands' are no matter'
[20:28] <cnb_> Is this the right forum to ask about Ubuntu packaging issues?
[20:29] <dariush> daze : something about ubuntu philosophy and it usage in other countries
[20:29] <tgm4883> cnb_, you could, or also in #ubuntu-packaging
[20:29] <nsahoo> hi, is theere a way to hide unity top bar--the bar that is supposed to contain the menus?
[20:29] <cnb_> I'll try ubuntu-packaging.  I can't seem to get any takers here.
[20:30] <guinpennep> I've been stucking trying to reinstall Ubuntu for Today and Yesterday.  Cannot figure out how to make this flash stick bootable and load the iso onto it.
[20:30] <triplebb> histo: if you meant on the flash drive, yes. The window that came up when I inserted the drive showed them. After that window closed, I double click wed on something, I could not get it back.
[20:30] <nomodeset> fu
[20:31] <daze> dariush: Ubuntu is said to be "Linux for human beings", meaning that it should be simple enough for your mother to use. As opposed to other GNU/Linux distributions that have a more technical aura around them. I encourage reading up about the word and it's meaning at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system), as well as the company behind Ubuntu ;)
[20:32] <yacc-in> can i even change the position of the system notifications?
[20:32] <Eax> histo: Works, many thanks! :)
[20:32] <yacc-in> i wouldn't even wonder if i could not... :/
[20:34] <dariush> daze : ok , but in your country is it popular? I ask this questions because of my eng class , excuse me
[20:34] <nsahoo> not possible? to hide the top panel in ubuntu-unity?
[20:34] <iceroot> nsahoo: the top-panel is holding all the menus from the windows, why hiding it?
[20:35] <nsahoo> iceroot: temporarily, to maximize screenspace
[20:36] <nsahoo> is there a way to make any window fullscreen?
[20:36] <iceroot> nsahoo: have a look at "myunity" maybe it will have an option like that
[20:36] <daze> dariush: It's quite popular among technical people and it's the most popular GNU/Linux distribution around. But it's nowhere near Windows or even Mac OS. There's a handy chart at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems. I'll try to find popularity by country now.. ;]
[20:37] <nsahoo> iceroot: thanks
[20:38] <dariush> daze : tnx daze , and in other languge does it have support?
[20:38] <Dii_Pundiih> hi. What is the name for the info popup messages showing up at times like when network is on or of and so on?
[20:39] <daze> dariush: ok, so these are a couple of dated articles - http://royal.pingdom.com/2011/05/12/the-top-20-strongholds-for-desktop-linux/ & http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/08/21/linux-popularity-across-the-globe/ . I don't see why the trend should not have continued, so those should give you a general idea on how popular Linux is (Ubuntu is around 90% of that, according to http://www.statowl.com/operating_system_market_share_by_os_subversion.php?time
[20:39] <daze> frame=last_6&interval=month&chart_id=4&limit%5B%5D=Ubuntu&holder%5B%5D=linux )
[20:41] <Apes> What's with all the browsers disabling Java recently? If was really about "security" they would disable javascript too.
[20:42] <dariush> daze : ;)
[20:42] <daze> dariush: sorry, that last link might be misleading. I'll try to get a better one now. Also, there's recent data on OS popularity from W3Schools at http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp . It does not represent a global audience (it's meant to be a site for technical, web-related stuff), but check it out.
[20:42] <iceroot> Apes: javascript is not a security-issue like java
[20:42] <iceroot> Apes: and java and javascript are totally different things
[20:43] <Apes> iceroot: javascript has security issues, just like javascript.
[20:43] <Apes> replace one of those with java
[20:43] <yacc-in> Apes: javascript usually is sandboxed. java is not or can break out of sandboxes due to java bugs
[20:44] <nomodeset> fatal error: opening dependency file .deps/jsalloc.o.pp: No such file or directory
[20:44] <nomodeset> compilation terminated.
[20:44] <dariush> daze : if i become a ubuntu user can I find good apps for app developing. Im not sure about it.
[20:44] <Apes> yacc-in: People find ways to break out of javascript sandboxes as well
[20:45] <daze> dariush: ok, so this seems to be a good article on the topic - http://ego2dot0.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/why-ubuntu-keeps-50-of-linux-market-share/ . I imagine Ubuntu has picked up somewhat since then, so it should be in the area of 60% at least.
[20:45] <yacc-in> Apes: but you can fix your own javascript way faster than oracle can fix bugs in java
[20:45] <yacc-in> also oracle-java comes with adware >_>
[20:46] <yacc-in> which it tries to install on every software update
[20:46] <Apes> yacc-in: opt-in adware, but that's not a reason to ban already installed software from a browser.
[20:46] <yacc-in> and what would anyone need java for anyways
[20:46] <Apes> yacc-in: It has overlap with what Google is pushing javascript for.
[20:46] <Apes> yacc-in: Office apps and similar things
[20:47] <yacc-in> why would office apps need java?
[20:47] <yacc-in> that makes no sense at all :D
[20:47] <yacc-in> if yours do, please use better office apps :p
[20:47] <daze> dariush: Linux has great support and tools for programmers. In fact, it's best suited for them. Graphical designers, video and audio people have harder time here, but some still manage. Programmers and word-smiths are totally at home. It's also perfect for all the web browsing you need. Gamers are better suited by Windows, but the situation is slowly changing for the better with a recent release of Steam for Linux.
[20:48] <Apes> yacc-in: Somewhere around 50% of all internet apps are Java based.
[20:48] <yacc-in> Apes: i dont think so oO
[20:48] <yacc-in> javascript yes
[20:48] <yacc-in> but java... no way...
[20:48] <iceroot> Apes: that is wrong
[20:48] <iceroot> Apes: and offtopic
[20:48] <daze> Apes: no way that's right
[20:48] <Apes> yacc-in: You're just used to userland internet apps, but corporations take up a huge chunk. And they use mostly Java.
[20:49] <Apes> Cisco's VPN stuff uses Java, for example
[20:49] <yacc-in> thats the same myth like most companies still use IE 5
[20:49] <jutt> hello allll   i buy stuff
[20:49] <daze> enterprise uses Java, but it should not take 50% imho
[20:49] <yacc-in> what VPN Stuff? the config website? you dont use that...
[20:49] <tripelb> histo I am in windows now and can see 2 partitions on the HD and maybe 3. One is named F: and called "local drive" while the CD is E:
[20:49] <jutt> hello allll   i buy stuff plz tell me i open lr cc cvv room
[20:50] <tripelb> His to I am on phone and got disconnected here.
[20:50] <tripelb> histo:  I am on phone and got disconnected here.
[20:50] <jutt> hello allll   i buy stuff plz tell me i open lr cc cvv room
[20:50] <yacc-in> but yeah, cisco is a good example for why java sucks. to access the java config webapp i need to instalol a really old netscape version using wine.
[20:50] <DJones> jutt: This is Ubuntu support, do you have a support question?
[20:51] <yacc-in> because java is not a tiny bit plattform independent... >_>
[20:52] <tripelb> jutt: you are in #ubuntu please tell your setup and your problem.
[20:52] <dariush> daze : I love OpenSource world, Can I learn ubuntu fast for programming fast? I am a Java programmer and know a developer for android, is eclipse in ubuntu good for programming for ubuntu Or ...?
[20:53]  * yacc-in runs away scared and screaming \o/ "ahhh eclipse....."
[20:54] <daze> dariush: yes, Eclipse works on Ubuntu the same way it works on Windows. I can't tell you it will be easy to feel comfortable in GNU/Linux world, but once you learn a few things, you'll never go back. Also, you'll fall in love with the command line and simplicity/customizability of things. Also, the community and spirit ;)
[20:54] <tripelb> my main problem is gparted can't see partitions and I must fix this. Fdisk sees partitions. Windows sees partitions, the NTFS ones anyway..
[20:55] <yacc-in> daze: speaking of that: how can i change the position of system notifications? or the position of the "dock"? :o
[20:55] <daze> dariush: btw, Android is basically a Linux kernel with Java shell
[20:55] <daze> yacc-in: if you're using Unity, you can't, sadly. Yet.
[20:55] <yacc-in> not even notifications? oO
[20:55] <yacc-in> why would i want them on the secondary screen? :(
[20:56] <yacc-in> can i please become head of QA of ubuntu? :(
[20:56] <daze> there's a hackish way to order application indicators, but Unity has really far to go in this area
[20:56] <tripelb> I need to fix my partition table so I can install Ubuntu.
[20:57] <dariush> daze : yes i know about android but I think its a little diffrent, ubuntu is originally linux and more interesting in my mind :)
[20:57] <yacc-in> application indicators?
[20:57] <daze> dariush: Andorid is less 'open', so to speak. I await Ubuntu on phones! :)
[20:58] <daze> yacc-in: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/06/how-to-change-application-indicators.html
[20:58] <dydzEz2> how does ubuntu determine the partitions are windows 8
[20:58] <yacc-in> daze: wasnt maemo truely open? where is it now? :/
[20:58] <dariush> daze : ubuntu on phone????
[20:58] <yacc-in> daze: ah, that. i dont care which order those are in, i just want the notifications on the main screen where i can see them :d
[20:58] <ThinkT510> !phone | dariush
[20:59] <yacc-in> is there maybe at least a way to get whats ncurrently playing in spotify as a notification?
[20:59] <daze> dariush: yes, there was some announcements recently. check out http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/phone
[20:59] <zorgborg> hey people, vlc is the registered application for opening the rubbish bin (i messed it up somehow) how to change back to nautilus?
[20:59] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, ok, so there is another reason this might not work right on 12.04
[21:00] <mstenta> Is it possible to install Gnome extensions from the command line?
[21:00] <dariush> daze : very good :)
[21:00] <daze> yacc-in: maemo lacked commercial support, I suppose. Ubuntu might just have it and do something real..
[21:00] <xangua> yacc-in: don't know if this wors with quantal quetzal http://www.webupd8.org/2012/06/closable-movable-notifyosd.html
[21:00] <MarKsaitis> tgm4883, guys from openchange claim that inverse provides beautiful repos for samba4 http://inverse.ca/ubuntu/pool/precise/s/ which are always stable and working fine for ubuntu 12.04 lts
[21:00] <ryansipes> daze: Also, two phones already announced for October
[21:01] <yacc-in> xangua: thanks, i will give it a try
[21:01] <daze> yeah, we'll see when they arrive :]
[21:01] <MarKsaitis> so, I suppose there are no reasons for it not to work. im removing my source install and going ahead with all that stuff
[21:01] <dariush> daze : I dont find it, can developers sell them apps in ubuntu software center?
[21:01] <Micky> Hi all
[21:01] <Micky> can someone help me with a problem ?
[21:01] <ThinkT510> we can but try
[21:01] <tripelb> dariush: I am intend I g to install Ubuntu on the nexus 7
[21:02] <tripelb> !ask| Micky
[21:02] <daze> dariush: theoretically, there will be a single software center for all Ubuntu apps and those apps will work throughout the devices, be it desktop, phone or tv
[21:02] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, sweet, so they worked out the dependency issues then
[21:02] <riegersn> is it possible to customize my trackpad functionality? example, I can right click with 2 finger click, but I want to turn OFF right click when clicking on the right side of the pad. is this possible?
[21:02] <Micky> My problem is that when I try to login to Lubuntu 12.04 (after login mask) the screen goes in saving mode
[21:02] <Fox1976> hi :)
[21:02] <kostkon> yacc-in, http://code.google.com/p/spotify-notify/
[21:02] <Micky> and I'm unable to work with PC
[21:02] <MarKsaitis> tgm4883, I hope for the best
[21:02] <yacc-in> kostkon: thanks :)
[21:02] <dariush> tripelb : I have an galaxy tab 2 7.0, can I install on it?
[21:02] <jrib> riegersn: maybe, check out the synaptics documentation
[21:02] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, sounds good, I'd use that one then
[21:03] <jrib> !synaptics | riegersn
[21:03] <MarKsaitis> now thank you very much, im outta here
[21:03] <TomSlominski> Hi. When I ruin scanimage -L as a normal user it segfaults, is anyone else experiencing this?
[21:04] <Micky> googling I found that I have to try with cat .xsession-errors command in order to see what is the problem
[21:04] <tripelb> dariush: I don't know. I am still looking for the place to connect with that community, before I start. Posting on ubuntuforums.org will be my next step. It's a good resource.
[21:04] <Fox1976> VPN - I connect my wheezy to a zeroshell openvp and i can work quite good. In the same house if i connect with ubuntu 12.10 the vpn seems connected but after 10 sec. i lost connection with other pc in vpn. Any idea?
[21:04] <Micky> and my result is http://pastebin.com/ExZPk54p
[21:04] <Micky> any idea on how to solve it ?
[21:05] <dariush> daze : can use free software to make apps for sell?
[21:05] <tripelb> Micky, all on one line or the person who reads your third line will assume you are being helped and in the middle of a conversation. - takes a bit of getting used to around here and... Sometimes other is no one around ATM who knows your problem.
[21:06] <e> Where I am?
[21:06] <dariush> tripelb : what do you think about it? android or ubuntu on phone?
[21:06] <dariush> e : here :)
[21:06] <daze> dariush: GPL allows you to make money on software. It just makes you give the source code along with the program. So there are various money-making schemes, it's a broad topic really.
[21:06] <Guest27179> where&
[21:07] <Micky> sorry tripelb
[21:07] <yacc-in> xangua: hmm i dont seem to be able to move them from the secondary to the primary screen with that :/
[21:07] <tripelb> Much, so remember the !ask not reply said to tell your situation, inc hardware and the problem, all on one line. Good luck. I just tried lubuntu and got stuck.
[21:08] <daze> dariush: also, you can "use" GPL apps (Eclipse, etc.) to make proprietary software if you don't include any of GPLed code in your programs. It's just that GPL "infects" the codebase with the license and you have to open your source when you release the program.
[21:08] <tripelb> Micky:  if you remember, the !ask bot reply said to tell your situation, inc hardware and the problem, all on one line. --- Good luck. I just tried lubuntu and got stuck.
[21:09] <dariush> daze : can u describe ubuntu in a sentence?
[21:09] <Fox1976> any vpn guru around?
[21:09] <Corey> !expert | Fox1976
[21:10] <tripelb> Micky, and I have been trying for over a week to solve this partitioning problem. I have to be patient. Sometimes I can help beginners.
[21:10] <daze> dariush: GNU/Linux working out-of-the-box.
[21:10] <tgm4883> daze, I'm not sure that is 100% correct. You only have to release the source code for the open source parts
[21:10] <tgm4883> daze, eg. components can still be closed source
[21:11] <Micky> tripelb about the software I have Lubuntu 12.04 and for the hardware I have this: http://pastebin.com/xfyiu0kM. I tried in Lubuntu room but they suggested to try here
[21:11] <daze> tgm4883: any code that uses other GPLed code must be GPLed. Components that can work standalone can be licensed separately. This is the case for games, where the engine is opensource, but graphics are not.
[21:11] <chrisHPHP> I've installled ubuntu 12.10 alongside windows 8 in EFI, upon boot it boots straight into windows 8 , no grub, I've used boot repair to restore it and it says successful,  but it says i have to make my bios boot from sda/efi/ubuntu/grubx64.efi how do I do this?
[21:11] <tgm4883> daze, closed source programs that use open source libraries can exist though
[21:12] <chrisHPHP> sda2***
[21:12] <dariush> daze : great. I have a good feel about Open world know. thanks alot daze ;) here is night, good night.
[21:12] <daze> tgm4883: only if the open source libraries can be swapped. It's somewhat of a gray area that had discussions in regards to Wordpress/Drupal themes.
[21:13] <daze> dariush: good luck with your report ;)
[21:13] <chrisHPHP> My computer is an HP paviliong6 model 2244ca
[21:13] <escott> tripelb, please don't use fdisk. please send the output of "sudo parted -l"
[21:14] <tgm4883> daze, you're saying it's only ok if the open source libraries can be removed and closed source ones replace them?
[21:15] <tgm4883> daze, I think the issue is that there is zero case law on this
[21:15] <escott> chrisHPHP, have you gone into the UEFI menu and made sure that the grub boot option is included in the boot menu
[21:16] <media-centre> hallo
[21:16] <escott> tgm4883, the terminology in the GPL license is "derivative work" hire a lawyer and get a letter if you are concerned you may be falsely accused of being a derivative work
[21:16] <media-centre> is anyone here good on xbmc
[21:16] <gregory> ciao
[21:16] <gregory> ciao a tutti raga
[21:16] <media-centre> im trying to install bbc iplayer on xbmc
[21:16] <escott> tgm4883, or if you dont know where that line is (and truth is nobody really knows where the line is)
[21:16] <gregory> ho appena installato linux
[21:17] <chrisHPHP> i went in there at one point,  i'm not sure if it is,  My computer will only boot the live cd like 1 out of 25 tries for some horrible reason
[21:17] <chrisHPHP> i should check i guess
[21:17] <ThinkT510> !it | gregory
[21:17] <tgm4883> escott, that is correct. And just because a closed source program may use an open source library, doesn't make it a deritive work
[21:17] <gregory> thanks
[21:19] <daze> tgm4883: no, I'm saying that the libraries in use must be used via open APIs or something like that. Meaning that one could write an alternative implementation (that uses any license) and swap the opensource lib being used.
[21:19] <daze> if you compile them inside your code, the code is "infected" :)
[21:20] <tgm4883> daze, ah, it was confusing then
 dariush: also, you can "use" GPL apps (Eclipse, etc.) to make proprietary software if you don't include any of GPLed code in your programs. It's just that GPL "infects" the codebase with the license and you have to open your source when you release the program.
[21:20] <daze> and you're right about there being no precedent
[21:20] <tgm4883> daze, the way I read that is that if you use an open source program to make proprietary software, you now have to open source your software if you release it
[21:20] <daze> yeah, I should maybe have been clearer in separating GPL-licensed tools and GPL-licensed code
[21:21] <escott> tgm4883, usually not any more than typing a novel in MS Word means that MSFT owns the copyright on the novel
[21:22] <tgm4883> escott, right, and that is what I was disagreeing with
[21:22] <tgm4883> escott, daze seems I just misunderstood what daze was saying
[21:23] <tgm4883> this is probably the best answer for all of that http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#NFUseGPLPlugins
[21:25] <daze> yeah, that 'borderline case' is what I called a 'gray area' :]
[21:26] <daze> I think we're all on the same page here.
[21:26] <daze> on the other topic, do you guys got used to the overlay scrollbars? I just changed them back to normal and feel stuborn..
[21:27] <daze> but I really had trouble scrolling them with the mouse. And classic scrollbars are much better for that.
[21:27] <sarthor> HI, .pl files are downloading instead of opening via mozilla, while on chrome that is opening as text. HElp please, I Installed sql-ledger on my ubuntu-server.
[21:28] <cnb_> Where is the best place to get help with a packaging problem?  I've asked repeatedly on here and on #ubuntu-packaging, and gotten no help whatsoever.
[21:28] <tgm4883> cnb_, what is the packaging problem?
[21:29] <media-centre> is anyone here good on xbmc
[21:29] <daze> sarthor: configure a handler to handle .pl files in apache config
[21:29] <media-centre> im trying to install bbc iplayer on xbmc
[21:30] <tripelb> escott: OK will do that when I return. I am called IRL. ATM  thanks. (From my phone, no home internet, sigh)
[21:30] <cnb_> I installed Munin on 12.10 from the repo.  It appears to be misconfigured.  The Munin mailing list insists that's a packaging problem, and I need to take it up with the packagers.  Specifically, "If you want to use Ubuntu, then you need to be willing to tolerate their (seeming) lack of QA."
[21:30] <media-centre> ok nevermind
[21:30] <tgm4883> cnb_, you would need to file a bug then
[21:31] <cnb_> Where?  How?
[21:31] <tgm4883> cnb_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/munin/+filebug
[21:32] <sarthor> daze: I am not expert. Can you give some clue please.
[21:34] <daze> sarthor: read http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/howto/cgi.html. You need to "Options +ExecCGI" for the directory the .pl files are in, chmod them to 755 (i.e. make the file executable) and "AddHandler cgi-script .cgi .pl"
[21:35] <MarKsaitis> can smbd pls help me now?
[21:35] <MarKsaitis> tgm4883, page 9 http://www.sogo.nu/files/docs/SOGo%20Native%20Microsoft%20Outlook%20Configuration.pdf can I use these backports on my ubuntu 12.04 lts?
[21:35] <daze> sarthor: there are multiple ways to set the handler. But whatever files have the handler cgi-script set, they will be executed as cgi-scripts if the folder has ExecCGI permission and the file is executable on the filesystem
[21:36] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, IDK
[21:36] <MarKsaitis> :( what a shame, I feel like disabled, can't even follow some guides on my own :D
[21:37] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, I'm assuming you're talking about the debian-backports?
[21:37] <daze> sarthor: furthermore, this is really more of a question for #httpd :)
[21:37] <MarKsaitis> I don't know, look at page 9, title says its also for ubuntu 12.04 :D but it only talks about debian backports, so I don't know
[21:37] <MarKsaitis> very very confusing as hell
[21:37] <MarKsaitis> I just can't get over it
[21:37] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, "Debian Squeeze ships an older version of some libraries required by Samba 4.  In order to
[21:37] <tgm4883> workaround this, users of this distribution will have to use the “squeeze-backports” repository"
[21:38] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, that seems pretty clear to me
[21:38] <ThinkT510> tgm4883: never mix different distribution repositories
[21:39] <MarKsaitis> well, it implies that it is not needed for ubuntu 12.04 lts?
[21:39] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, exactly
[21:39] <MarKsaitis> wonderful :)
[21:39] <MarKsaitis> I am skipping this one then
[21:39] <tgm4883> ThinkT510, While that is a good rule of thumb, that isn't what I said and not what we are discussing
[21:39] <cnb_> Okay, I reported it.  I suppose I'm SOL until it's reviewed and/or addressed?
[21:40] <tgm4883> cnb_, depends on what is misconfigured
[21:40] <tgm4883> cnb_, link to bug report?
[21:40] <MarKsaitis> but guess what, for example smbclient is in 3.6 version.... whereas it should be 4!!!
[21:40] <cnb_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/munin/+bug/1119792
[21:40] <melty> lol
[21:41] <MarKsaitis> which I guess means that i do need these backports on ubuntu 12.04 lts
[21:41] <MarKsaitis> tgm4883,
[21:41] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, I thought you said there was a repo with 4 in it
[21:41] <MarKsaitis> ys, but there isn't smbclient package in there :)))))
[21:42] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, did you enable the repo at http://inverse.ca/ubuntu/pool/precise/s/
[21:42] <MarKsaitis> tgm4883, sure :)
[21:42] <MarKsaitis> I did apt-cache show smbclient and it said 3.6
[21:42] <sarthor> daze: that sql-ledger-httpd.conf is like this
[21:42] <sarthor> Alias /sql-ledger/ /usr/share/sql-ledger/
[21:42] <sarthor> <Directory /usr/share/sql-ledger>
[21:42] <sarthor>   AddHandler cgi-script .pl
[21:42] <sarthor>   Options ExecCGI Includes FollowSymlinks

[21:42] <FloodBot1> sarthor: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:43] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, yea, there isn't a smbclient package on there
[21:43] <tgm4883> there is samba4-clients and libsmbclient-raw
[21:43] <tgm4883> IDK what either of those are for
[21:43] <MarKsaitis> yeah, and now I am confused :)
[21:45] <sarthor> here is the link daze : http://paste.ubuntu.com/1626809/ may be your busy , If you have time and can help, that is why I showed you the orignal file.
[21:45] <daze> sarthor: use Options +ExecCGI +Includes +FollowSymlinks
[21:45] <sarthor> you are*
[21:46] <giblartar> Hey people
[21:46] <giblartar> I have problem
[21:46] <MarKsaitis> everybody have a problem :D
[21:46] <giblartar> I have program in python. How to add this to apps?
[21:46] <giblartar> :-D
[21:46] <giblartar> MarKsaitis: I know
[21:46] <MarKsaitis> giblartar, :))))))))))
[21:47] <tgm4883> MarKsaitis, I don't see in that PDF where it want's you to install smbclient
[21:47] <kostkon> giblartar, apps?
[21:47] <sarthor> daze: I made the changes you told me. but restart apache2, but same problem.
[21:47] <giblartar> yeah
[21:47] <giblartar> programs
[21:47] <kostkon> giblartar, could you bee a little bit more specific
[21:47] <kostkon> be*
[21:47] <giblartar> ok
[21:47] <kostkon> giblartar, in your dash and launcher?
[21:47] <giblartar> yeah
[21:48] <giblartar> :-)
[21:48] <datsmoida> what is the best simple tool to monitor my network / bandwidth ?
[21:48] <giblartar> kostkon: I try to create .desktop file
[21:48] <giblartar> kostkon: and lock to left bar
[21:49] <giblartar> kostkon: But its not works
[21:49] <sarthor> daze: now restarting machine. lets see.
[21:49] <daze> sarthor: strange. it should really work..
[21:49] <leonlemouton> datsmoida : wireshark?
[21:49] <daze> did you chmod +x them?
[21:49] <daze> no need to restart machine :)
[21:49] <giblartar> kostkon: I think i must add this program to some magic
[21:49] <kostkon> giblartar, try this: http://www.iloveubuntu.net/menulibre-1301-released-significant-under-hood-improvements
[21:49] <daze> `apachectl restart` should be enough
[21:49] <giblartar> kostkon: ok wait
[21:50] <tgm4883> leonlemouton, I don't think wireshark would fall under the category of "bandwidth monitor", nor under simple
[21:51] <datsmoida> isn't there just some simple command like top
[21:51] <datsmoida> that shows how much bandwidth i'm using
[21:51] <ThinkT510> !info ntop | datsmoida
[21:51] <tgm4883> datsmoida, ntop?
[21:52] <iceroot> datsmoida: imo it was called "vnstat"
[21:52] <iceroot> datsmoida: i have to look on my debian what i am using there to monitor eth0 traffic
[21:52] <iceroot> !info vnstat
[21:52] <iceroot> datsmoida: you can use "apt-cache search foobar" to search for packages for specific tasks
[21:53] <datsmoida> tgm4883 - looking for terminal programs only
[21:53] <datsmoida> iceroot - good idea
[21:54] <iceroot> datsmoida: just use "vnstat" it also can send mails about the traffic
[21:54] <leonlemouton> ok sorry iftop?
[21:54] <iceroot> datsmoida: and vnstati will create images if needed
[21:54] <iceroot> datsmoida: also see http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/networktools1.htm
[21:54] <tgm4883> datsmoida, should probably have said that upfront, iftop
[21:55] <tgm4883> !info iftop | datsmoida
[21:55] <tgm4883> my bad though, I was confusing ntop and iftop in the beginning, iftop is what you want
[21:56] <leonlemouton> :-)
[21:57] <dydzEz2> man ive tried everything, ubuntu/xubuntu wont recognize that windows 8 is on the computer unless i use my recovery usb stick to install w8 which always installs uefi (which i dont want) -- wheres the guide for me to  make partitions in the free space i have from shrinking apart of my w8 partition
[21:58] <bekks> dydzEz2: win8 requires uefi.
[21:58] <iceroot> bekks: no
[21:59] <dydzEz2> no it doesnt
[21:59] <iceroot> bekks: to get the windows logo on a pc uefi is required but not for the system itself
[21:59] <dydzEz2> ive installed it with uefi and without uefi
[21:59] <dydzEz2> without uefi works fine
[21:59] <dydzEz2> no i can see the windows logo fine without uefi
[22:00] <tgm4883> lol
[22:00] <dydzEz2> ive installed windows 3 different ways: #1 installing uefi from my recovery partition i put on a usb stick, #2 booting in legacy and installing from a w8 disc, #3 booting in uefi and installing from a w8 disc
[22:00] <dydzEz2> all worked fine including the 2nd way
[22:00] <iceroot> and all are offtopic :)
[22:00] <chrishphp> I've installed ubuntu 12.10 64 bit , hp pavilion G6 2244ca, it's being really glitchy for some reason,  weird shapes and screen glitches, I have AMD ,, but i'm not sure there is 64 bit support for my exact model, should I try 32 bit ?
[22:01] <dydzEz2> anyway i cant find the guide to manually partition the free space in the install
[22:01] <tgm4883> chrishphp, because it surely couldn't be that AMD just makes terrible linux drivers
[22:02] <chrishphp> I was not so aware,  what would you suggest I try ?
[22:02] <dydzEz2> btw the #3 way i installed, ubuntu still didnt recognize w8 even though it was a uefi install and i could boot w8 in secureboot/uefi
[22:03] <tgm4883> chrishphp, probably starting with A) what video card you have, and B) how you installed the drivers
[22:03] <dydzEz2> what exactly is an OEM Partition for?
[22:03] <tgm4883> dydzEz2, what do you mean by "ubuntu still didn't recognize w8"
[22:03] <purezen> Hey guys.. I am trying to do a build process for Firefox for Android and I am stuck..
[22:03] <iceroot> !ot | purezen
[22:04] <marcos> hello can anyone give me a link to download wine?
[22:04] <iceroot> marcos: sudo apt-get install wine
[22:04] <dydzEz2> tgm4883 : when i go to install it, i didnt see the option "install ubuntu alongside windows 8", also if i try to do it manually, the partition is just one whole free space (a white bar) as if there was nothing on my SSD
[22:04] <bekks> !wine | marcos
[22:04] <iceroot> !repos | marcos
[22:04] <tgm4883> iceroot, dang you are fast
[22:05] <datsmoida> does my CPU speed show up in top ?
[22:05] <dydzEz2> i think when i shrink the volume, i can do it manually
[22:05] <tgm4883> dydzEz2, hmm, seems odd to me
[22:05] <tgm4883> datsmoida, no
[22:05] <dydzEz2> so im looking for  "the" guide
[22:05] <iceroot> datsmoida: cat /proc/cpuinfo
[22:05] <datsmoida> or is there some other command to see how much capacity i have in cpu
[22:05] <iceroot> datsmoida: or lscpu
[22:05] <chrishphp> 	AMD Radeon HD 7420G Discrete-Class Graphics >  i've just installed ubuntu just now, and things are glitchy, havn't done anything else
[22:05] <datsmoida> i c
[22:05] <tgm4883> chrishphp, so you aren't using the proprietary drivers then?
[22:05] <datsmoida> CPU MHz:               2133.408
[22:05] <chrishphp> they are downloading as we speak,  that should help?
[22:05] <datsmoida> so there is no command to see how much of my processor is being used atm ?
[22:06] <purezen> Ok my issue is that the support for the ia32-libs multi-aarch is broken in Ubuntu12.10.. I mean it gives.. "no such file or directory" when trying to run the prebuilt gcc on 64-bit Ubunutu
[22:06] <purezen> which usually means missing 32-bit libraries..
[22:06] <tgm4883> chrishphp, and how are you downloading them?
[22:06] <iceroot> datsmoida: the current usage is the "load" shown up in "top" or "uptime"
[22:06] <chrishphp> using the additional drivers app
[22:06] <iceroot> datsmoida: a load of 1 means 1 core is used 100%
[22:06] <tgm4883> purezen, did you install the 32-bit libraries?
[22:06] <iceroot> datsmoida: a load of 3 means 3 cores are at 100%, or one core is at 100%
[22:06] <datsmoida> btw iftop is an awesome program ! !
[22:06] <tgm4883> purezen, ia32-libs doesn't exist anymore
[22:07] <purezen> tgm4883: yes..
[22:07] <purezen> tgm4883: but I just installed..:0
[22:07] <bulletrulz> hey i need help i installed e17 but it sends me back to login screen when i try to open it
[22:07] <purezen> tgm4883: am a newbie to this development porcess though..:)
[22:07] <datsmoida> so load average 0.05 means i am using half a core ?
[22:07] <chrishphp> they have installed, I require a restart I think,
[22:08] <leonlemouton> datsmoida htop
[22:08] <tgm4883> purezen, oh, hmm, I guess it does still exist
[22:08] <away> if your load average is 1 you are using one core (or thread) 100%
[22:08] <tgm4883> purezen, probably need to do a apt-get install <lib>:i386 if you need the 32-bit library for soemthing
[22:08] <datsmoida> my load average is always .4 or .5
[22:08] <datsmoida> i think 1/2 core is all i have
[22:08] <away> not possible
[22:09] <away> grep 'model name' /proc/cpuinfo | wc -l
[22:09] <datsmoida> i was told to add ram on this vps but i am hitting some other performance wall
[22:09] <purezen> tgm4883: you mean.. something like.. '.. install ia32-libs:i386'..?
[22:09] <away> issue the above command to see how many cores/threads you have
[22:10] <tgm4883> purezen, no, I mean figure out what library you need, then install the 32-bit version of it
[22:10] <datsmoida> away - CPU (0.6 GHz) 	1
[22:10] <datsmoida> that is my current processor supposedly
[22:10] <away> datsmoida, then everything below 1 is good
[22:10] <away> you might wanna read http://blog.scoutapp.com/articles/2009/07/31/understanding-load-averages
[22:10] <datsmoida> this is very bad news
[22:11] <datsmoida> i have repeatedly added ram to this machine
[22:11] <bekks> datsmoida: And?
[22:11] <datsmoida> does not look like cpu is overtaxed
[22:11] <datsmoida> bandwidth is not being nearly met
[22:11] <chrishphp_> yea proprietary drivers are installed through addition drivers app, and it's still glitchy
[22:11] <datsmoida> and yet i am failing to be able to run more programs and the machine literally freezes
[22:11]  * tgm4883 wonders what glitchy means
[22:12] <away> datsmoida, maybe your CPU usage/disk i/o/RAM usage likes to spike
[22:12] <datsmoida> can you say that another way
[22:12] <bekks> datsmoida: Then you have to investigate the problem (stop every program NOT vital for investigation), and investigate whats going on.
[22:12] <dell> Hi, Does anybody know how should I change this command to get the result?
[22:12] <dell> find . -iname *.txt -execdir cp '{}' ~/Documents/target
[22:12] <datsmoida> that is what i am doing
[22:12] <chrishphp_> hard to explain, like.. when I move windows around, little lines spike up and disappear , foldy kind of glitchy looking things
[22:12] <away> maybe you have some process that doesn't use a constant amount of RAM/CPU
[22:12] <datsmoida> i have no other programs running
[22:12] <bekks> dell: What doy ou want to achieve?
[22:12] <datsmoida> i am able to run exactly 13 instances of my program
[22:12] <chrishphp_> the menu's flicker when i scroll through them and stuff
[22:13] <away> datsmoida, what does $ ulimit say
[22:13] <dell> bekks: I want to find and copy every jpg file
[22:13] <bekks> datsmoida: Then run _1_ instance, and check whats going on. Add one more instance, check again, etc.
[22:13] <dell> This command return an error
[22:13] <bekks> dell: find . -type f -iname "*.jpg" -exec cp {} /your/target/directory/ \;
[22:14] <datsmoida> i did that till i got to 13
[22:14] <dell> bekks: let me check that
[22:14] <datsmoida> regardless what i do that is the limit
[22:14] <chrishphp_> would running 32 bit be more stable or better for my model of AMD
[22:14] <tgm4883> this channel is slightly maddening
[22:14] <datsmoida> then programs start to crap out, ultimately machine freezes
[22:15] <bekks> datsmoida: WHAT did you check in detail? CPU load, memory consumption, I/O statistics, I/O bandwidth, network charateristics?
[22:15] <datsmoida> i checked network usage with ntop
[22:15] <datsmoida> no
[22:15] <datsmoida> with iftop
[22:15] <bekks> datsmoida: So why did you add RAM when just checking network usage? :)
[22:15] <datsmoida> ulimit says unlimited
[22:16] <datsmoida> dunno what that means
[22:16] <datsmoida> bekks - well some tech at the vps told me before, oh your scripts are hitting ram hard u need more ram, so i did and that seemed true to a point
[22:16] <tgm4883> chrishphp_, I don't see why it would
[22:16] <datsmoida> before i could run 4-5 programs, now i can run 13
[22:16] <datsmoida> but that was after i doubled or tripled the ram
[22:16] <bekks> datsmoida: Then check the other points mentioned.
[22:16] <datsmoida> now i have 5 units of ram, they are all visible in top
[22:16] <datsmoida> but my upper limit does not increase
[22:17] <chrishphp_> okay, maybe I should try 12.04 instead of 12.10
[22:17] <datsmoida> so it is something beyond RAM
[22:17] <datsmoida> and this guy is off the clock right now
[22:17] <away> 5 units of ram?
[22:17] <iceroot> datsmoida: how much ram?
[22:17] <tgm4883> chrishphp_, possibly. I run 12.10 on my dell laptop with a HD7500M/7600M family graphics card
[22:17] <tgm4883> chrishphp_, works semi fine
[22:17] <bekks> datsmoida: RAM is measured in Bytes - how much MB/GB RAM do you have?
[22:18] <dell> bekks: How can I restrict it to find just in the current directory?
[22:18] <tgm4883> man find?
[22:18] <bekks> dell: In the current directory, you just need: copy *.jpg /your/target/
[22:18] <iceroot> dell: -maxdepth 0
[22:18] <chrishphp_> yeah there is enough flickering and strange things happening that it's a problem,   and the grub menu no longer loads windows 8, i need to fix that somehow,
[22:18] <datsmoida> how much ram = 5 x256
[22:19] <tgm4883> chrishphp_, rm windows8 ;)
[22:19] <bekks> datsmoida: So how much is it? :)
[22:19] <away> datsmoida, what does free -m show?
[22:19] <datsmoida> getting same performance as with 3x256
[22:19] <datsmoida> so now adding RAM does nothing
[22:19] <bekks> datsmoida: You didnt even measured performance, but just the number of instances.
[22:19] <iceroot> datsmoida: why should the performance always increase when you put in more ram?
[22:19] <bekks> datsmoida: So check the other parameters mentioned.
[22:19] <chrishphp_> I installed ubuntu, there was no grub menu, it booted  windows 8 right away , then i used grub repair, grub came up ubuntu loaded, but not the windows entries,    RM windows 8 ? what? sorry
[22:19] <datsmoida>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[22:19] <datsmoida> Mem:          1495       1441         54          0          2         18
[22:19] <datsmoida> -/+ buffers/cache:       1420         75
[22:19] <datsmoida> Swap:         1023        679        344
[22:19] <iceroot> datsmoida:  a machine with 8gb ram will be as fast like a machine with 16gb ram if the ram is not the bottleneck
[22:19] <chrishphp_> i mean Boot repair"
[22:20] <away> k, you have 1.5GB RAM... should be enough
[22:20] <iceroot> datsmoida: and you are out of ram
[22:20] <bekks> datsmoida: You have at least 6 "units" of RAM, not 5 :)
[22:20] <away> yep, only 75mb free
[22:20] <tgm4883> and swapping
[22:20] <bekks> Swapping hard. :)
[22:20] <dell> Thanks all
[22:20] <datsmoida> bekks - performance is easy to measure in the sense that the programs die on failure
[22:21] <iceroot> datsmoida: you only have 75mb free ram
[22:21] <tgm4883> perhaps you should figure out why your scripts are using so much ram?
[22:21] <away> datsmoida, you should get more RAM
[22:21] <datsmoida> i can only keep 13 alive at one time, if i add more the first ones start to get killed
[22:21] <bekks> datsmoida: Thats the most pointless definition of measuring something I
[22:21] <bekks> 've ever heard.
[22:21] <tgm4883> away, I'd argue he has -600MB ram
[22:21] <datsmoida> i have no idea why performance should increase with RAM just blindly following advice
[22:21] <chrishphp_> tgm4883  , what do you mean rm 8 ?
[22:21] <away> tgm swap can't be used for everything
[22:22] <tgm4883> chrishphp_, it was a joke? as in rm (remove) windows 8
[22:22] <away> tgm4883 he's jokingly wanting you to remove windows 8
[22:22] <datsmoida> so i am still out of ram ?
[22:22] <bekks> datsmoida: Yes you are.
[22:22] <iceroot> datsmoida: you only have 75mb ram free
[22:22] <tgm4883> away, I'm saying he needs more ram as it's swapping
[22:22] <iceroot> datsmoida: which is not very much
[22:22] <bekks> At least 512M more would be a good deal.
[22:22] <datsmoida> so why is it that my performance does not improve as i have added the last 512K ram ?
[22:22] <tgm4883> away, as in, he is currently 600MB in the hole
[22:22] <tgm4883> lol, 512K
[22:22] <iceroot> datsmoida: because you are still out of ram as we said 5 times now
[22:23] <tgm4883> datsmoida, you need to add another 3 units
[22:23] <iceroot> datsmoida: the system will start to use swap (stored on the hdd and 1000 times slower then ram)
[22:23] <boriseto> one little question. for some reason I lost picture thumbnails and I don't know how to get them back. So they are not switched of, but not showing (the icons is an empty file with a clock on it). Does anybody had the same problem or somebody knows a solution for it?
[22:23] <datsmoida> iceroot - my point is that my performance was the same with 512k than it is now with 1280k
[22:24] <iceroot> datsmoida: and 1000 times slower is just the description for the access-time of the data, not the data-transer
[22:24] <datsmoida> so adding 768K so far of RAM has done nothing to increase performance, why ?
[22:24] <iceroot> datsmoida: again and for the 6. time, you are out of ram
[22:24] <datsmoida> if i am "swapping hard" now, imagine how hard i was swapping at 512K !
[22:24] <tgm4883> datsmoida, our point is, you were probably swapping a whole lot more with 512M of ram, than you are with 1280M of ram, but you are still swapping
[22:24] <chrishphp_> cant get wireless working, glitchy, cant boot win8,
[22:24] <tgm4883> datsmoida, exactly!
[22:25] <datsmoida> but why did the performance not improve ?
[22:25] <iceroot> datsmoida: reread what we all wrote
[22:25] <|nv|s|b|e> b e c a u s e your swapping
[22:25] <datsmoida> i mean from my perspective the computer is crapping out at exactly the same benchmark it did before, at over twice as much RAM
[22:25] <iceroot> datsmoida: you are STILL!!!!!!!!!! out of ram!!!!!!!!!
[22:25] <tgm4883> datsmoida, why would it, you are still using a hard disk as RAM
[22:25] <datsmoida> isn't that a bit weird ?
[22:25] <|nv|s|b|e> troll time
[22:25] <tgm4883> datsmoida, no
[22:25] <iceroot> datsmoida: you are still using swap
[22:26] <tgm4883> datsmoida, you probably need to understand the difference between RAM and SWAP
[22:26] <ianrossi> join #ubuntu-server
[22:26] <Kuroki> datsmoida, you need even more ram than you have right now
[22:26] <ianrossi> Hi guys, I'm new to IRC, what command do I type to get to the ubuntu-server channel?
[22:26] <|nv|s|b|e> you need no less than 2 gig to even think about running smooth
[22:26] <tgm4883> datsmoida, you needed more ram, and you added some, but not enough
[22:26] <iceroot> ianrossi: /join #ubuntu-server
[22:26] <_DomY-Dom> Hi, anyway of transferring the wireless drivers I need for my Macbook Pro 8,1 (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro8-2/Quantal#Wireless) without an ethernet connection cause I don't have one at the moment. Anyone ?
[22:26] <bekks> datsmoida: He was told that a zillion times now :)
[22:26] <bekks> Kuroki: ^^
[22:27] <tgm4883> bekks, a billion, zillion times
[22:27] <bekks> tgm4883: yes.
[22:27] <iceroot> _DomY-Dom: usb stick
[22:27] <_DomY-Dom> iceroot: could you explain the process to me ?
[22:27] <iceroot> !offline | _DomY-Dom
[22:28] <datsmoida> ok so i guess you guys are saying there is a point for this OS where it says i am out of RAM and i need an arbitrarily large amount more to to ANYTHING ELSE, and that amount could be more than double the amount it had in the first place ?
[22:28] <tgm4883> datsmoida, close
[22:28] <tgm4883> datsmoida, that, except not arbitrarily
[22:28] <iceroot> datsmoida: reread everything we told you
[22:28] <datsmoida> i mean literally when i had 512K of RAM i could keep 13 instances of my script going, at 1280 exactly the same
[22:28] <Kuroki> weŕe just stating facts
[22:28] <bekks> datsmoida: Yes.
[22:28] <bekks> datsmoida: You had 512_M_ not 512_k_
[22:28] <tgm4883> datsmoida, it could be 100X more than you originally had, depending on the software
[22:29] <bekks> The difference is 1024 times bigger.
[22:29] <_DomY-Dom> ubottu: The link doesn't have Quetzal as an option. Concerning the procedure with Synaptic, this means that I can get the package kind of within a script and transfer via USB ? Could you detail that or give me a link for this procedure ? Thank you very much.
[22:30] <_DomY-Dom> iceroot: Any idea concerning my question to ubottu ?
[22:30] <tgm4883> datsmoida, lets look at the facts. You had your VPS look at it and they said you needed more RAM. You added RAM, and didn't see an improvement. You showed us how much RAM your computer is using. We told you it's using all of your RAM, plus almost 700 more MB.
[22:30] <tgm4883> datsmoida, eg. you need 700MB more ram
[22:31] <datsmoida> so you are literally looking at home much swap is used = i need that much ram +
[22:31] <bekks> tgm4883: 700? Why? :)
[22:31] <tgm4883> datsmoida, now, after you do that, you are probably going to try to run more instances of your script, in which case, you will probably need more ram
[22:31] <tgm4883> bekks, didn't it say it was swapping 680MB?
[22:31] <datsmoida> so presumably when i had less ram but the same apparent performance prolly the OS was using way more swap space from the hard disk ?
[22:32] <tgm4883> Swap:         1023        679        344
[22:32] <bekks> tgm4883: Oh, indeed. I was remembering a wrong number :)
[22:32] <datsmoida> tgm4883 - yeah i am trying to actually formulize how much hardware i need for so many additional instances
[22:32] <tgm4883> datsmoida, yes, that is exactly what we are saying
[22:32] <datsmoida> but as you can see i am still working out the foundations here
[22:32] <bekks> datsmoida: You need about 700M more RAM for running your 13 instances.
[22:32] <datsmoida> 100x lol come on
[22:33] <tgm4883> datsmoida, what you should probably do, is run 1 instance of it, and see how much ram 1 instance uses. Then figure out how many instances you want to run, and then multiply the two
[22:33] <_DomY-Dom> Can no one get me this linux-firmware-nonfree as a tar file or someting I can decompress and install with dpkg ?
[22:33] <iceroot> _DomY-Dom: packahes.ubuntu.com
[22:33] <_DomY-Dom> linux-firmware-nonfree for Quantal Quetzal on a MacBook Pro 8,1
[22:33] <_DomY-Dom> iceroot: thanks wil have a look.
[22:33] <iceroot> _DomY-Dom: there you can download the debfiles
[22:34] <iceroot> _DomY-Dom: install them with "sudo dpkg -i file.deb"
[22:34] <tgm4883> datsmoida, yea, it could be 100X more, if you wanted to run tons and tons of instances
[22:34] <_DomY-Dom> iceroot: cheers but any idea where the one I'm looking for would be ?
[22:35] <iceroot> _DomY-Dom: there is a search files
[22:35] <iceroot> field
[22:36] <_DomY-Dom> iceroot: great got it gonna try it now.
[22:37] <root_> drogba
[22:38] <root_> root
[22:38] <magn3ts> I have to say, I'm quite jealous of KWin's menu-in-titlebar feature
[22:38] <magn3ts> I'd kill to have that in GNOME
[22:39] <root_> hi
[22:39] <drogba> heeeeeeeello
[22:40] <histo> magn3ts: run kwin then
[22:41] <magn3ts> histo, maybe I should. :)
[22:41] <janisozaur> to those who do: what software do you use to sign/encrypt emails? is it possible to have this in firefox+gmail? have you convinced your friends/family to also use pki?
[22:41] <magn3ts> I know I can mix and match, but I'd like to use a full stack and there's a lot of things in KDE that still just look bad or feel hacky or out of place. Oh the fun dilemma of choices :)
[22:42] <histo> magn3ts: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Desktop-Environment/KDE/Titlebar-menu-65797.shtml
[22:42] <histo> magn3ts: http://anarchic-order.blogspot.com/2011/02/integrating-menu-into-window-titlebar.html
[22:43] <nova_>  any one know of a api list of Linux in C/C++
[22:43] <magn3ts> interesting, but not quite the same
[22:44] <janisozaur> nova_, api list? each library has its own api. do you mean syscalls?
[22:44] <histo> magn3ts: People are proposing it
[22:45] <ASHER1> Hello i need please help about smoething i cant find i install webmin and i see in Cpanel is have options install wordpress and joomla then i search about this where i can find guide for control panel?
[22:45] <magn3ts> cool
[22:45] <DJones> !webmin | ASHER1
[22:45] <histo> magn3ts: You could vote for the feature request
[22:45] <nova_> janisozaur ,really its just i am new to Linux and i have a knowledge of Win api and would like to learn Linux
[22:46] <ASHER1> i have webmim but is no have install scripts and web
[22:46] <histo> magn3ts: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/
[22:46] <ASHER1> i explain in Cpanel is have options to people install some web
[22:47] <janisozaur> nova_, there is no 'api list'. if you use ubuntu, most packages come with -dec, -dev flavours (especially libs). you can also 'apt-get source <package_name>'
[22:47] <kostkon> nova_, start from here http://developer.ubuntu.com/
[22:48] <nova_> janisozaur ,ok thank you
[22:48] <cariboulou> Does anyone know how to install the proprietary nvidia drivers for the GTX 660 ti?
[22:48] <GabMus_> helloo
[22:48] <DeadWeasel> how can I verify that a script I set to run every minute is actually runnig?
[22:49] <DeadWeasel> ]howdy!
[22:49] <semarjt> ...have it log something?
[22:49] <_DomY-Dom> iceroot: installing the package works but no wireless detected..
[22:49] <nova_> janisozaur ,ubuntu does use c right?   i have seen a lot of Python related .dos
[22:49] <DeadWeasel> it echos a couple messages, but it's runningin the background
[22:49] <histo> cariboulou: sudo apt-get install nvidia-current  or follow the directions from ubottu
[22:49] <histo> !nvidia | cariboulou
[22:49] <DeadWeasel> isn't there a log that tells all things that run?
[22:49] <chrishphp_> i'm going to try to install 12.04, see how that goes then i'll fix the grub menu to boot windows
[22:50] <_DomY-Dom> iceroot: any idea if I have some missing, this link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro8-2/Quantal#Wireless only mentions linux-firmware-nonfree
[22:50] <_DomY-Dom> iceroot: ah wait never mind, if you install through dpkg -i needed to reboot
[22:50] <histo> DeadWeasel: ad a debugging function temporarily like touch file1  or have it echo some output to a file
[22:50] <GabMus_> how do i integrate ubuntu on my mac? it isnt a dual boot. when i start the computer i have to keep alt pressed and select the hard disk manually, even if it is a single boot, moreover if i reboot it gets stuck and i have to hard shutdown it by holding power button
[22:50] <_DomY-Dom> it's working :)
[22:50] <janisozaur> nova_, there is no single language ubuntu was written in. kernel is mostly c+asm, most of libraries use c/c++, but there are also ones that use python or perl or others
[22:50] <_DomY-Dom> iceroot: thanks a lot :D !
[22:50] <bambino> do anyone know why the google chrome in ubuntu is unable to charge complement in flash aplications???
[22:51] <datsmoida> oh so i can tell from top how much ram is being used that is smart
[22:51] <cariboulou> histo: incredible, thanks!
[22:51] <datsmoida> from one instance
[22:51] <datsmoida> my swap says 1048572k
[22:52] <nova_> janisozaur , that's good then i know C and assembly. its i just really dislike Python.
[22:52] <datsmoida> that means 4x256 ?
[22:52] <histo> DeadWeasel: http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2011/08/linux-var-log-files/
[22:52] <janisozaur> nova_, linux distribution is not a single entity, it consists of many smaller parts, that you can replace (sometimes there are multiple projects that supply specific library, like is the case of libc, sometimes you can only switch versions, and so on).
[22:52] <DeadWeasel> thank you histo, Domy-Dom
[22:52] <janisozaur> nova_, would you like to program for linux?
[22:53] <nova_> janisozaur , program on Linux ?
[22:53] <histo> !offline | _DomY-Dom
[22:54] <ASHER1> ?
[22:54] <janisozaur> nova_, as in 'write programs that will run on linux'? why do you have interest in 'linux api'?
[22:54] <histo> datsmoida: Your question makes no sense to me.
[22:55] <tgm4883> datsmoida, you can't tell that from top
[22:55] <datsmoida> oh i c i need to look at free
[22:56] <datsmoida> this is getting expensive
[22:56] <tgm4883> datsmoida, no
[22:56] <guinpennep> should I have my /dev/sda2 extended file system, allocated logically with fat32?
[22:56] <datsmoida> free -m is what you guys based on statements on that my swap is big
[22:56] <morph3k> guys i need some help
[22:56] <tgm4883> datsmoida, you can't tell that from top, nor free, as it doesn't break down the RAM usage by process
[22:56] <morph3k> tgm4883: can i pm you
[22:56] <datsmoida> then how did you know how much more RAM i need
[22:56] <tgm4883> morph3k, sure
[22:57] <histo> tgm4883: top shows how much ram processes are using
[22:57] <nova_> janisozaur , OS manipulation to may hardware. To work more efficiently.
[22:57] <guinpennep> Let me know if you can help me please, thank you.
[22:57] <tgm4883> histo, ah yea, it does
[22:57] <histo> tgm4883: virt res shared
[22:57] <tgm4883> histo, sorry, trying to do too many things at once on things
[22:57] <histo> datsmoida: top shows how much ram is used by a process
[22:57] <tgm4883> histo, so he wants res right?
[22:58] <datsmoida> tgm4883 is saying top is no good
[22:58] <datsmoida> oh n/m
[22:58] <tgm4883> datsmoida, i was wrong on that, I forgot it showed you what you need
[22:58] <datsmoida> free -m says my swap used is 629
[22:58] <histo> datsmoida: there is virt res and shared columns in top
[22:59] <datsmoida> but top shows my swap used is like 2GB
[22:59] <datsmoida> no 1GB
[22:59] <janisozaur> nova_, then most likely you are after the kernel.
[22:59] <histo> datsmoida: What is your native language?
[22:59] <datsmoida> lol english
[22:59] <histo> omg
[22:59] <datsmoida> histo - i am simply not that intelligent
[22:59] <nova_> janisozaur , Oh -_-
[22:59] <janisozaur> nova_, try http://kernelnewbies.org/
[22:59] <histo> datsmoida: Well i'm having trouble understanding you at all. I have no idea what you want to do.
[23:00] <datsmoida> histo - i want to see accurately how hard is my RAM being hit and how much RAM i need to add to stop using SWAP
[23:00] <histo> datsmoida: You were mentioning swap being to large or something.
[23:00] <bambino> anyone know how to remove fbi moneypak virus from my pc? in windows
[23:00] <histo> datsmoida: is your ram completely used up? or is swap being used to just cache stuff?
[23:00] <xangua> datsmoida: why do you want to stop using swap¿
[23:00] <histo> datsmoida: You can adjust your swappiness
[23:01] <janisozaur> histo, how can you do that?
[23:01] <datsmoida> well these guys on here told me my swap was too large
[23:01] <datsmoida> histo - b/c my machine is crapping out
[23:01] <histo> datsmoida: How large is your swap partition?
[23:01] <datsmoida> i was told to add ram
[23:01] <datsmoida> i added ram
[23:01] <datsmoida> i got more performance
[23:01] <datsmoida> but not after a certain point of adding ram
[23:01] <histo> datsmoida: How much ram do you have?
[23:02] <datsmoida> then i pasted the output of top and free -m and these people here were saying oh the problem is that you are now hitting ram so hard that even though you more than doubled your ram you will have to do it again
[23:02] <datsmoida> b/c your machine is using so much swap
[23:02] <datsmoida> so i just want to clarify exactly which commands give me this info
[23:03] <histo> datsmoida: please pastebin the output of free
[23:03] <datsmoida> histo - i have 256x5
[23:03] <datsmoida> 1280
[23:03] <datsmoida> when i had 256 ram i could run 5 instances of my script
[23:03] <histo> datsmoida: 256 what? MB ??? so a total of 1.256GB of ram?
[23:03] <datsmoida> when i had 768 ram i could run 13 instances
[23:04] <iceroot> what? still the same?
[23:04] <datsmoida> now i have 1280 but still after 13 instances programs start to die and then if i continue trying to add instances the machine freezes
[23:04] <iceroot> i was looking a complete stromberg episode and we are still talking about the ram-issue?
[23:04] <guinpennep> Just gave up 18 years of windows experience for good
[23:04] <histo> datsmoida: Do you have swap configured then?
[23:05] <datsmoida> i don't mean they said my swap partition is too large, i mean they said my machine was using a huge amount of swap space b/c it is out of RAM
[23:05] <datsmoida> it was unrelated to the size of my swap partition
[23:05] <histo> datsmoida: Right once ram is full swap should be used so the system doesn't crash.
[23:05] <histo> datsmoida: What is this script?
[23:05] <guinpennep> swap is double of ram, linux.org says, right?
[23:06] <iceroot> datsmoida: when something is stored in swap it does not mean you have not enough ram, but when free is saying you only have 75MB ram left, then you are out of ram
[23:06] <histo> guinpennep: no
[23:06] <guinpennep> Oh, boot is double ram, then double swap?
[23:06] <tgm4883> guinpennep, that is an old rule of thumb
[23:06] <guinpennep> let me check, sorry.
[23:06] <datsmoida> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1627028/
[23:06] <histo> guinpennep: You can make it any size you want
[23:07] <guinpennep> Ok, see. I just gave up 18 years of windows experience.
[23:07] <janisozaur> guinpennep, if you've got plenty of ram, then there's no need for that much of swap. depends on how much ram do you usually need
[23:07] <datsmoida> histo - this script sends queries through TOR
[23:07] <guinpennep> Ok, makes sense.
[23:07] <guinpennep> Been using ubuntu 12.10 for 2 days. I love it.
[23:07] <histo> datsmoida: And you need to run more of these scripts?
[23:07] <janisozaur> guinpennep, when you had little ram, you had to have plenty of swap
[23:07] <datsmoida> i am able to start many tor processes but my scripts to access TOR crap out unable to connect to socket after 13
[23:08] <guinpennep> right now I am having a problem. Are there any win 7-8/ubuntu 12.10 experienced users availible?
[23:08] <histo> guinpennep: if you want to hibernate swap needs to be bigger than ram.  The old rule of thumb was swap is 2x ram.  But you can make a swap partition any size depending on you rneeds or not even use one.
[23:08] <janisozaur> !ask | guinpennep
[23:09] <guinpennep> !ask
[23:09] <datsmoida> histo - yeah i do
[23:09] <janisozaur> !ubottu | guinpennep
[23:09] <nova_> janisozaur , The kernel is constructed nice.
[23:09] <histo> datsmoida: Then you need to increase swap or physical ram or make your script more efficient
[23:10] <datsmoida> yeah i bet my perl script is not very efficient
[23:10] <guinpennep> Can I chat with someone for help please?
[23:10] <datsmoida> that is a great observation
[23:10] <melty> lol
[23:10] <histo> guinpennep: ask your question
[23:10] <guinpennep> in the channel?
[23:10]  * histo slaps forehead
[23:10] <datsmoida> because it seems like i am going to have to add a lot of ram at this rate
[23:10] <gilb> if I run Windows in a virtual machine on Ubuntu, is the performance significantly decreased? or would I be able to play COD4 on a decent low end machine?
[23:10] <histo> guinpennep: that's what the channel is for.
[23:10] <BillyZane> histo: hey buddy, hows it going?
[23:11] <janisozaur> guinpennep, yes. all in one line
[23:11] <flintser> glib yes and no
[23:11] <gilb> is dual booting the better option in this case?
[23:11] <BillyZane> oh right, #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:11] <flintser> glib yes
[23:11] <tgm4883> datsmoida, can you pastebin 'ps -eo rss,cmd | grep <SCRIPTNAME>'
[23:11] <histo> datsmoida: Then figure out a better way to accomplish what you are trying to do. If you can epxlain your ultimate goal perhaps someone here can think of a better way.
[23:11] <datsmoida> maybe i need to really audit my perl
[23:12] <gilb> flinster, thanks for answers
[23:12] <datsmoida> or rethink the logic
[23:12] <datsmoida> i do need to rethink the whole logic
[23:12] <flintser> glib, you cannot play anything more than solitaire on vm unless you have a super computer
[23:12] <datsmoida> do you guys have any idea if fork and system calls from perl are inherently resource intensive ?
[23:12] <histo> datsmoida: What is the goal of the script?
[23:13] <datsmoida> data scraping
[23:13] <histo> BillyZane: okay?
[23:13] <guinpennep> Using 12.10 ubuntu.   Bad scripts running.  Can I use another computer to take yumi, make a flash drive bootable and curcumvent this whole issue I am having?
[23:13] <histo> BillyZane: Were you the data recovery guy?
[23:14] <BillyZane> histo: can I pick your brain? I installed ubuntu with two partitions, / and /home. It has come to my attention that someday, I might reach a size limit. I figure that applications are primarily stored in /, I was wondering, Is it easy to expand my / and /home partitions? Do these partitions have to be physically continuous on the drive? I have placed them on the end of my drive, with unpartitioned space buffering the linux and windows parti
[23:14] <BillyZane> tions
[23:14] <histo> guinpennep: What unallocated partition?
[23:14] <janisozaur> guinpennep, unallocated partition? bad scripts running? can you elaborate?
[23:14] <BillyZane> histo: no, lol, but i think i was there for that conversation. he had an external hard drive or something, 120gb
[23:14] <iceroot> gilb: virtualbox and vmware are able to use the real GPU of the host but imo only on opengl, there are a lot applications which are running like native but not all
[23:15] <iceroot> gilb: so they are not emulating the gpu, they are using passthrough
[23:15] <BillyZane> histo: No, i'm the n00b to ubuntu that you so generously helped so many times now. My latest problem was with thunar, the network wasn't showing up :)
[23:15] <janisozaur> !lvm | BillyZane
[23:15] <histo> BillyZane: You can resize them with gparted. However keep in mind it's not bulletproof. I would back up mition critical data just incase but it will mostlikely work fine.
[23:15] <iceroot> gilb: but i would recommend dualboot
[23:15] <BillyZane> janisozaur: thanks, i'll give it a look
[23:15] <histo> BillyZane: and LVM would be the way to go. You could add other disks to the space etc...
[23:15] <flintser> iceroot: you can use guest additions for directx on virtualbox but it is still very slow
[23:15] <BillyZane> can I install LVM now?
[23:16] <BillyZane> is it too late to have an LVM?
[23:16] <janisozaur> BillyZane, you can only have 4 primary partitions with MBR
[23:16] <histo> BillyZane: That is if you can't just expand the partition to the free space. YOu can resize and move etc.. using gparted though relatively easy.
[23:16] <iceroot> flintser: i thought it was just opengl
[23:16] <histo> janisozaur: on msdos paritioning.
[23:16] <cariboulou> So, I followed the instructions on the ubuntu help site, and I got the nvidia-current drivers installed, all seemed well, but now the ubuntu desktop isn't starting up properly.  the dock and top bar aren't showing up after you log in.  is there any way to fix this?
[23:16] <histo> GPT I think is limited to 128 partitions
[23:17] <janisozaur> BillyZane, you might want to use gparted-live to resize, they tend to do lots of stuff and release it more often than ubuntu keeps up
[23:17] <guinpennep> my comp is getting very buggy.
[23:17] <janisozaur> histo, what do you mean?
[23:17] <histo> cariboulou: Does it appear that the GUI is still running just off the screen? Can you press the super key and see part of the dash?
[23:17] <guinpennep> Is it possible I can screw up the partitions so I cannot reinstall ubuntu 12.10?
[23:17] <datsmoida> tgm4883 - i did that, it just shows all the instances of my script
[23:18] <flintser> iceroot: yep it normally is but if you install guest additions in safe mode you get to choose directx
[23:18] <BillyZane> janisozaur: Ok, I'll look in to that application. Would it allow me to shift and move around partitioned data without deleting the information?
[23:18] <histo> janisozaur: a GUID partition table. vs. msdos partition table.
[23:18] <tgm4883> datsmoida, can you pastebin the output?
[23:18] <datsmoida> there's 13 instances running
[23:18] <histo> BillyZane: Yeah it will
[23:18] <BillyZane> wow, epic
[23:18] <flintser> but nevertheless no vm is really for gaming, ive done enough testing to say that
[23:18] <cariboulou> histo: I was able to crtl+alt+t into terminal, then start xchat from there.  (that's how I am talking now) No, the super key does nothing at the moment.
[23:18] <histo> BillyZane: but it's not full proof. For instance if you had a power failure while it was moving data obviously you run the risk of losing some. Or if the program goes nutz.
[23:19] <datsmoida> tgm4883 - it just shows the command that was called and the pid, nothing else, 13 lines
[23:19] <janisozaur> histo, hmm, ok. i've always called it 'mbr'
[23:19] <iceroot> flintser: ah ok, thank you for the info
[23:19] <BillyZane> histo: that's always a possibility. I feel I'm going to end up using linux now permanently. So, I'm going to end up running in to a space limit
[23:19] <tgm4883> datsmoida, it doesn't list a number?
[23:19] <datsmoida> perl <scriptname>
[23:19] <janisozaur> BillyZane, what filesystem do you have on / and /home?
[23:19] <melty> lol
[23:19] <datsmoida> yeah the process id
[23:19] <BillyZane> janisozaur, ext4
[23:20] <d0wan> Hi all, I got a quick question if anyone has time.  I just installed Ubuntu 12.10 alongside Windows 8.  The installation went smooth, but after rebooting, only shows a black screen.  Doesn't show the BIOS bootscreen or anything like it did before I installed Ubuntu.  I don't know how to fix this because I can't even get to BIOS.  My laptop is http://www.samsung.com/us/computer/laptops/NP300E5C-A09US?
[23:20] <tgm4883> datsmoida, can you pastebin it
[23:20] <gustav_> Hello. I've been seeing 'migration' (process name) in 'top' using a lot of CPU at times. (600%) What is it and why is it using that much?
[23:20] <iceroot> d0wan: your laptop is broken
[23:20] <iceroot> d0wan: let me search for the linl
[23:20] <datsmoida> tgm4883 - i think u meant some other flags than ps -eo rss,cmd | grep <SCRIPTNAME>
[23:20] <BillyZane> I can't go back to windows now. Windows feels so incredibly empty, like an empty cup
[23:20] <iceroot> link
[23:20] <datsmoida> there is no info here
[23:20] <guinpennep> dang
[23:20] <d0wan> iceroot, how so?  as in, it's fried?
[23:20] <tgm4883> datsmoida, that first number shouldn't be the process ID
[23:20] <datsmoida> oh wait a minute
[23:20] <d0wan> it was working perfectly before ubuntu was on it.  that's a big disappointment.
[23:20] <datsmoida> right
[23:20] <datsmoida> 1 sec
[23:20] <iceroot> d0wan: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Booting-Linux-using-UEFI-can-brick-Samsung-laptops-1793958.html
[23:21] <guinpennep> I am going to break this laptop.
[23:21] <d0wan> iceroot, thanks a ton.
[23:21] <flintser> d0wan: i think you "bricked" your device
[23:21] <guinpennep> Over my tv.
[23:21] <tgm4883> :)
[23:21] <d0wan> Wonderful.  Sigh.  Thanks for the link iceroot, I appreciate it
[23:21] <flintser> i hate uefi
[23:21] <iceroot> d0wan: its a fault of samsung and there uefi implementation, they will give you a new notebook (read the link)
[23:21] <flintser> no need for that
[23:22] <guinpennep> I managed to get a lot of help in removing my uefi and installing ubuntu..
[23:22] <al__> Tough question: running 12.10 w/ Broadcom 4312 wireless card w/ proprietary (default on install) drivers, when using auto-update, it breaks wireless after reboot.  I've found a couple fixes that include 'apt-get remove bcmwl-kernel-source' 'apt-get install firmware-b43-installer b43-fwcutter'.  The problem is that I have no wired internet or different pc to download with.  Is there a way to pre-download packages AND all dependencies to install after for fix, or a
[23:22] <al__>  way to prevent the issue from happening in the first place?
[23:22] <guinpennep> Now that I lost my win 8 fine, I am wishing I had it back right now.
[23:22] <wiz> real quick queston on virtualbox: does anyone know how to increase the size of a dynamically allocated VDI?
[23:22] <guinpennep> going to go try windows again/
[23:23] <iceroot> wiz: #vbox
[23:23] <wiz> thank you iceroot
[23:23] <d0wan> again, iceroot, much appreciated. Thanks!
[23:23] <brightknight> Ubuntu: Am I correct in saying that by default there is no SIP support in ver. 12, such as could be in empathy?
[23:23] <datsmoida> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1627069/
[23:23] <iceroot> d0wan: you are welcome
[23:23] <janisozaur> al__, 'apt-get install -d'
[23:23] <histo> brb
[23:23] <iceroot> brightknight: there are sip clients
[23:23] <datsmoida> tgm4883 - is this showing me that each proc is using some magnitudinally larger amount of memory ?
[23:23] <iceroot> brightknight: justr search for sip in the software center
[23:23] <iceroot> !sip | brightknight
[23:24] <brightknight> iceroot: will do, so the answer is no then correct?
[23:24] <tgm4883> datsmoida, yea
[23:24] <janisozaur> al__, you can also google for 'apt hold selections'
[23:24] <flintser> al__: you can use usb stick to transfer packages, just use apt-get install -d on another machine and put them on usb stick
[23:24] <datsmoida> wow thanks
[23:24] <datsmoida> wtf
[23:24] <janisozaur> !enter | datsmoida
[23:24] <al__> flintser: there is no other machine
[23:25] <iceroot> datsmoida: there are 2 values for ram, the real used ram and the virtual ram which is holding buffers and caches too  for each process, you can see it in top
[23:25] <iceroot> datsmoida: and when you write a script which needs 100mb ram, normally your script is very bad
[23:25] <flintser> well i dont know the de
[23:26] <DeadWeasel> is possible to route a single program's traffic through the VPN in ubuntu 12.04?
[23:26] <al__> janisozaur: apt-get install -d will include all dependencies?
[23:26] <janisozaur> al__, consult 'man apt-get', it will run in download-only mode, but with all depenendecies resolved
[23:27] <onekt> upgraded 12.04->12.10,  can't find any way into a tty console (no key combo works)
[23:27] <flintser> al__: well i dont know the dependencies, but if you do you can use any machine with internet to download them from repositories straight
[23:27] <tgm4883> datsmoida, that is in kilobytes
[23:27] <brightknight> Anyperson: Hmm, what happened to twinkle???
[23:27] <tgm4883> datsmoida, so the bottom one is using 150MB
[23:27] <WHAT_UP> is it possible that wine is caching the windows/system32 folder? it's telling me that some file can't be found there, even though it is there (and when i replace the name of the file with something else in the folder, it runs perfectly)
[23:28] <al__> janisozaur: was looking just looking through man apt-get :) -d, Download only; package files are only retrieved, not unpacked or installed.  Didn't see anything about resolving dependencies.  Thanks though.
[23:28] <tgm4883> datsmoida, my best guess, is that you are doing something in your script that is causing it to grow in RAM size based on waiting on some resource. but that is just a guess. Notice it doesn't grow a lot between processes, then jumps quite a bit between two
[23:29] <tgm4883> datsmoida, so the computer can keep up reasonably well with processes 1-4, then 5 starts and it's waiting on some resource causing it to grow in size
[23:30] <tgm4883> datsmoida, so you either A) need more ram, or B) need to figure out what is happening in that script
[23:30] <tgm4883> datsmoida, for reference   "RSS     resident set size, the non-swapped physical memory that a task has used (in kiloBytes)."
[23:30] <datsmoida> this is a very productive chat session !
[23:30] <flintser> al__: and like janisozaur said you can prevent updates with hold
[23:30] <datsmoida> my sucky scripting didn't matter so much when i wasn't scaling up like this
[23:30] <flintser> al__: http://askubuntu.com/questions/18654/how-to-prevent-updating-of-a-specific-packagehttp://askubuntu.com/questions/18654/how-to-prevent-updating-of-a-specific-package
[23:31] <flintser> http://askubuntu.com/questions/18654/how-to-prevent-updating-of-a-specific-package
[23:31] <datsmoida> however i'm thinking this gargantuan rise in processing has something to do specifically with forking processes in perl
[23:31] <tgm4883> datsmoida, exactly
[23:31] <al__> flintser: I don't know which package is causing it to break wireless... i think it's any time the kernel is recompiled
[23:31] <datsmoida> you are right it doesn't grow at first
[23:31] <datsmoida> but if the script is ineffecient why does it not blow up before #5 ?
[23:32] <tgm4883> al__, best guess, you need to recompile the kernel modules when a kernel update comes down
[23:32] <datsmoida> it is also interesting that 5 was the limit on a minimal RAM (256)
[23:32] <tgm4883> datsmoida, IDK. like I said, it's probably waiting on some other resource
[23:32]  * tgm4883 shrugs
[23:32] <al__> tgm4883: I'm novice enough I only barely know what that means.
[23:33] <nomodeset> >nomodeset
[23:33] <nomodeset> !google>nomoeset
[23:33] <tgm4883> al__, did you follow some guide to get wireless working?
[23:33] <datsmoida> tgm4883 - can you say anything else about what waiting on another resource means
[23:33] <nomodeset> !google>nomodeset
[23:34] <datsmoida> just waiting on a friend
[23:34] <al__> tgm4883: it worked on stock 12.10 install (checking the box for proprietary drivers).  On auto-update though, it dies.  I've found a lot of posts relating to the problem, with a lot of different ... varied solutions.
[23:34] <datsmoida> this makes no sense actually
[23:34] <datsmoida> it is not a progression whatsoever
[23:35] <datsmoida> the first 5 processes each use about 1/5 of what each of the last 7 processes use
[23:35] <datsmoida> lol
[23:35] <tgm4883> al__, IDK what it's installing during that time, but I bet a reinstall of it would fix it
[23:36] <tgm4883> al__, the package that is, not the OS :)
[23:36] <al__> tgm4883: I bet you're right, but I have NO internet when wireless dies and no other available pcs, so I had to re-install OS out of desperation.
[23:36] <al__> tgm4883
[23:36] <al__> tgm4883: and now I'm afraid to update :)
[23:36] <flintser> al__: youre running non updatet 12.10 now?
[23:37] <RabblerouserGT> It seems my screenshot utility doesn't work.. again. Neither does ffmpeg when using x11grab
[23:37] <al__> flintser: if I update, internet permanently dies ...
[23:37] <tgm4883> al__, what wireless card?
[23:38] <flintser> al__: no its good, maybe you can check the list of what packages it tries to install and solve the problem that way? then you can hold the right one
[23:38] <al__> tgm4883: Broadcom 4312 (Dell Inspiron stock card).
[23:39] <brightknight> Anyperson: Hmm, what happened to twinkle?
[23:39] <tgm4883> al__, looks like b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-lpphy-installer bcmwl*
[23:39] <tgm4883> one of those likely does the building
[23:40] <tgm4883> al__, I'm guessing it's b43-fwcutter
[23:41] <al__> tgm4883: yeah a lot of the fixes I find use 'apt-get install firmware-b43-installer b43-fwcutter'.  If I apt-get install -d on those packages, it'll download dependencies so I can re-install offline after the update breaks it?
[23:41] <melanchthon> al__: I have the same card on my ideapad12 - although I'm running on debian wheezy atm I did have same kind of problems, which were solved by installing broadcom-sta-dkms package; after that I had a working wl-module
[23:41] <tgm4883> al__, maybe you could just do a 'dpkg-reconfigure b43-fwcutter'
[23:41] <morph3k> does anyone know what could be blocking port 22 on ubuntu?
[23:41] <morph3k> i cant ssh into it
[23:41] <tgm4883> al__, you couldn't do the apt-get install -d on it, as it would say they are already installed
[23:42] <jrib> morph3k: did you install openssh-server?
[23:42] <morph3k> yea
[23:42] <morph3k> and client
[23:42] <flintser> al__: tgm4883: after some googling i'd hold anything b43, or bcmwl packages and try úpdating then
[23:42] <jrib> morph3k: what happens when you do "ssh localhost" on the server?
[23:42] <morph3k> cant right now im updating
[23:42] <tgm4883> flintser, you would need to hold the kernel, not those packages
[23:43] <jrib> morph3k: open a new terminal?
[23:43] <RabblerouserGT> Any reason why the screenshot tool would give me the same image across several screenshots?
[23:43] <datsmoida> actually it seems the scripts all take about 150MB of RAM each
[23:43] <flintser> bcmwl-kernel-source? tgm4883
[23:43] <Dutchguy> hi hi
[23:43] <datsmoida> unless they are disconnected
[23:43] <tgm4883> flintser, no, linux-image-generic
[23:43] <datsmoida> actually no
[23:45] <flintser> tgm4883: sorry to ask but why would the linux kernel affect wifi :s
[23:46] <tgm4883> flintser, because the wifi modules are built against the kernel headers
[23:46] <glenfe> Anyone here familiar with CentrifyDC express?
[23:46] <tgm4883> so when you change the kernel, the modules don't load
[23:47] <tgm4883> flintser, and don't be sorry to ask. People sorry to ask something will always wonder why something is. People that do ask will find out why :)
[23:47] <flintser> tgm4883: aaa ok :) that clarified it for me, thanks. cant it be solved with some reconfiguring then?
[23:48] <tgm4883> flintser, yes, I think it will be, but you have to reconfigure the right package
[23:48] <tgm4883> flintser, I'm guessing the fw cutter package
[23:51] <flintser> tgm4883: okay. i'm so lazy i just wouldnt bother updating anything if i knew that itd cause problems ^^
[23:51] <tallbread> hi all - can anyone tell me whether its possible to get a percentage estimate using disk utility for how far through a format is? or, better yet, cancel the format?
[23:52] <tgm4883> flintser, well it shouldn't cause problems. it should fix that for you on upgrade. I'm not sure why it isn't
[23:53] <BillyZane> how do i uninstall unity?
[23:53] <morph3k> tgm4883
[23:53] <morph3k> i wish ud download this shit
[23:53] <morph3k> openssh
[23:53] <melty> lol
[23:53] <tgm4883> morph3k, what?
[23:53] <morph3k> and just look at the hep files
[23:53] <morph3k> help me figure it out :(
[23:54] <flintser> actually while im here... what should i do after i messed up my networking on 12.04? i used pppoeconf for a connection and after i didn't need it anymore no networking applet so i cant use wifi networks and i have to manually conf my wired connection
[23:54] <flintser> i mean after pppoeconf my networking got messed up
[23:56] <xangua> !nounity | BillyZane
[23:56] <xangua> or install any other desktop you want
[23:58] <jasunto> i summon the powers of the fstab master
[23:59] <jasunto> i need an external USB drive to mount at boot just like an internal disk would with all users having access so i can samba share it.
[23:59] <jrib> !fstab | jasunto