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[12:48] <xnox> ev: If I knew, I'd disable the alpha warning in yesterdays upload. There is some bugs reported about my yesterday's upload. So yeah, will need to upload today
[12:49] <ev> xnox: ah, I'll skip uploading then and just let it sit until you've got those changes in
[16:07] <xnox> ev: a bug or a feature? : when I open ubiquity in 12.10 - the desktop file says "Install Ubuntu 12.10", the window title says "Install", the unity top bar says "Install RELEASE".
[16:07] <xnox> ?
[16:07] <ev> xnox: the RELEASE part is supposed to be substituted with the actual version number
[16:08] <ev> somewhere that's failing it seems
[16:09] <xnox> ev: ok. So it's now one of those "we enable it at RC time"
[16:09] <xnox> s/now/not/
[16:09] <ev> nope
[16:09] <ev> it should always look correct
[16:09] <ev> this is definitely a bug


[12:35] <chmj> doko: ping
[12:37] <doko> chmj: pong
[12:41] <chmj> doko: seems the new gij is broken
[12:42] <chmj> have a look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~charles/gij-errors.txt
[12:48] <doko> what happens, if you directly use gij-4.0-wrapper?
[12:48] <chmj> get same error
[12:49] <chmj> hmm, clean dapper chroot builds
[12:51] <doko> please wait for java-gcj-compat_1.0.44
[12:53] <chmj> ETA ?
[12:54] <doko> it was uploaded 12 hours ago
[01:06] <infinity> And built and installed ages ago too, so what are you waiting for
[01:06] <infinity> ?
[01:10] <chmj> thats what the clean chroot used..
[01:11] <infinity> Right, so blame doko. :)
[02:09] <doko> chmj: did you adjust the ant home dir?
[02:10] <doko> syncing from debian means now:
[02:10] <doko> - replace the build dependency libant1.6-java with ant
[02:11] <doko> - use /usr/share/ant instead of /usr/share/ant1.6
[02:11] <doko> - the jar ecj-antadapter.jar is now found inside the ecj.jar
[02:18] <chmj> yes, I did all that
[02:18] <chmj> the new chroot built fine
[02:19] <chmj> the old one doesn't build, even though I dist-upgraded
[03:06] <fabbione> doko: ping?
[03:09] <doko> fabbione: pong
[03:10] <fabbione> doko: mind if i ask you to look at zlib merge?
[03:10] <fabbione> i am glad to take another one from you
[03:10] <fabbione> but the merge talks about ia32-libs
[03:10] <fabbione> that i am not familiar with
[03:11] <doko> fabbione: no, please delay that until jbailey has a libc6-i386(-dev) ready
[03:11] <fabbione> doko: ok i am cool with that
[03:12] <jbailey> doko: pitti and I will be talking in a few moments about the locales separation.  I'll try to do both in the same pass.
[05:33] <doko> fabbione: please could you try to build gcj-4.1 on sparc (if you have free cpu time). it builds ok for me, but fails on the debian buildd (gcc-snapshot)
[06:04] <lamont-away> doko: looking at http://buildd.mmjgroup.com/buildLogs/l/linux-source-2.6.15/2.6.15-4.5/linux-source-2.6.15_2.6.15-4.5_20051124-2047-hppa-failed.gz and trying to figure out why installing gcc-3.4-hppa64 left us with this error:
[06:04] <lamont-away>  /build/buildd/linux-source-2.6.15-2.6.15/debian/build/build-hppa64/scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 12: hppa64-linux-gcc: command not found
[06:05] <lamont-away> ah, because it's called /usr/bin/hppa64-linux-gnu-gcc-3.4
[06:05] <lamont-away> is it supposed to be?
[06:06] <lamont-away> jbailey: ^^^???
[06:06] <doko> lamont-away: hmm, it should install an alternative
[06:07] <lamont-away> doko: someone did, but it's dangling now.
[06:08] <lamont-away> build-dapper/chroot-dapper/etc/alternatives/hppa64-linux-gcc -> /usr/bin/hppa64-linux-gcc-3.4
[06:08] <lamont-away> and that file is not delivered by the package
[06:10] <doko> ahh, ok, the kernel maintainers did sleep ...
[06:10] <doko> it's hppa64-linux-gnu-gcc
[06:10] <lamont-away> ok
[06:10] <lamont-away> and you'll stop delivering the broken alternatives stuff next upload?
[06:11] <doko> yes, that's gcc-3.4 only
[06:11] <doko> anyway, have to run ...
[06:13] <lamont-away> thanks
[07:38] <fabbione> doko: it should be re-scheduled automatically pretty soon
[07:39] <fabbione> gcj-4.1_4.1ds2-0ubuntu2: currently building
[07:39] <fabbione> doko: ^^


[18:33] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Sorry about that, had to go do some chores.
[18:33] <Eickmeyer> Speaking of MuseScore, I had looked at upgrading it to 3, but looks like that's already in progress and I should probably leave well-enough alone: https://musescore.org/en/node/281650
[18:34] <Eickmeyer> Seems like we have a lot being held-up because of the freeze in Debian.
[18:47] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: should we have another PPA for releases that are not yet into debian/ubuntu
[18:47] <OvenWerks> Backports are current release that older releases use.
[18:48] <Eickmeyer> ubuntustudio-ppa/extras?
[18:48] <OvenWerks> new or proposed I think
[18:48] <OvenWerks> extras is for sw debian/ubuntu will never have
[18:49] <OvenWerks> or at least are not contemplating right now
[18:49]  * OvenWerks is trying to think logically
[18:57] <Eickmeyer> Yeah.
[18:57] <Eickmeyer> Sorry, phone call.
[18:57] <Eickmeyer> Never a dull moment.
[18:58] <Eickmeyer> ubuntustudio-ppa/incoming?
[20:03] <OvenWerks> That would work for me yes
[20:04]  * OvenWerks has to get ready to take his Yf to work.
[20:04] <OvenWerks> Oh, one last thing. Are we going to also try releasing the rest of the packages fairly soon?
[20:05] <OvenWerks> _controls, -menu, default-settings and (brimming with hope) menu-add
[20:07] <OvenWerks> I think menu-adds selling point is that it is the least intrusive menu manipulation tool available
[20:07] <OvenWerks> I am still waiting for Wimpress and bluesabre for new versions of their menu editors as well.
[20:08] <OvenWerks> but think menu-add is important enough to release
[20:09] <OvenWerks> It makes almost no assumptions about the system or DE
[21:03] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I was planning on releasing -default-setings, but that's about it for now. Do you want to release -controls?
[21:40] <OvenWerks> how else will they get testing?
[21:42] <OvenWerks> Unless someone does some testing on -controls and menu-add and finds some bugs, I figure they are done for the cycle
[21:50] <Eickmeyer> Nah, I'll go ahead and do the release.
[22:10] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Just released -default-settings -controls, and -menu to Eoan.
[22:11] <Eickmeyer> Looks like I'll need to bump the version number for -controls.
[22:11] <OvenWerks> yes, all of the packages need a version bump to release
[22:11] <OvenWerks> That is what keeps autobuilds and real releases in sync
[22:12] <OvenWerks> in fact it may be worth while turning auto builds off on released packages until at least one change has been made.
[22:13] <OvenWerks> one change beyond release
[22:22] <Eickmeyer> Well, in this case the only reason I need to version bump is because Ross had already bumped for -controls when he pushed it the other day. So, the new changes will start with 1.8.1.
[22:22] <OvenWerks> falktx says he is just releaseing new jack2
[22:22] <Eickmeyer> Cool. I think that syncs from Debian?
[22:23] <OvenWerks> ok.
[22:23] <OvenWerks> it should... but who knows when... something for incoming already...
[22:23] <OvenWerks> ubuntustudio-ppa/incoming I should say
[22:25] <Eickmeyer> Right. I'm a little leery of putting that in though since it's not a simple application, but an entire audio backend.
[22:26] <OvenWerks> I think the big deal is that it is now fully compatable with jack1... so includes a2jmidid and maybe even zita-ajbridging.
[22:27] <OvenWerks> though to be honest, the zita-ajbridging is maybe better separate anyway unless they can be added and removed without shutting jack down and restarting.
[22:31] <OvenWerks> in incoming should be ok. It is not a ppa people should hook up to by default though
[22:32] <Eickmeyer> Ok. I'll work on making incoming a thing at least.
[22:32] <OvenWerks> backports yes, auto never :)
[22:32] <OvenWerks> Wiht autobuilds I tend to DL the package I want and dpkg -i it.
[22:33] <Eickmeyer> Ah. I see.
[22:34] <OvenWerks> People are not yet used to backports... the use of other PPAs should be a slow learn thing
[22:35] <OvenWerks> autobuilds is for testing only, not for daily use.
[22:35] <OvenWerks> backports is for releases.
[22:35] <Eickmeyer> Yes.
[22:36] <OvenWerks> incoming is for sw that has been released elsewhere but has not made it through the debian gauntlet
[22:37] <Eickmeyer> Makes sense.
[22:37] <OvenWerks> The idea of backports and incoming is to allow people to remain on a LTS release but still have up to date media development software
[22:38] <OvenWerks> so the desktop and OS are known to be stable and supported.
[22:38] <OvenWerks> with backports and incoming, we take over the the support.
[22:39] <OvenWerks> (untill next LTS)
[22:40] <Eickmeyer> Right. What's nice is that the IRC support team in #ubuntu is willing to support Studio 18.04 as long as Backports is enabled.
[22:40] <Eickmeyer> Back in a bit.


[00:08] <daftykins> hmm CRMs seem like what folk bring into businesses because they think it'll help, but really it's just a massive cash earning exercise for someone else
[00:09] <diddledan> hey Cortana, google for Siri on Bing
[00:10] <mapps> siri sucks
[00:10] <mapps> i never used it really
[00:10] <diddledan> her*
[00:10] <diddledan> Siri is not an "it"
[00:11] <diddledan> she's a foxy laday
[00:11] <mapps> heh
[00:11] <daftykins> that's just siri... er i mean silly
[00:30] <diddledan> dear lord this is purest evil: http://twitchintheshell.com/
[00:32] <daftykins> yeah i heard some gentoo folk tried to take over
[00:32] <mapps> hm
[00:34] <daftykins> i see the twitch feed is as stable as an Arch update ;D
[00:35] <mapps> its done now isnt it
[00:36] <mapps> the stream was relentless lol nonstop commands
[00:36] <daftykins> nope that's just booting the live installer ;)
[00:37] <mapps> oh
[00:37] <mapps> so whats it doing now
[00:39] <daftykins> dunno, closed it already - total waste of time :)
[00:42] <daftykins> i got sent three invites for the oneplus 2 phone, if anyone wants one
[00:42] <diddledan> the 3?
[00:42] <diddledan> three invites for the 3?
[00:42] <daftykins> very funny
[00:43] <diddledan> I don't want one :-p
[00:44] <diddledan> I'm hungry
[00:46] <mapps> ;]
[00:46] <mapps> hm might watch 2nd maze runner
[00:47] <daftykins> https://oneplus.net/2 <-- anyway 3 invites for that if anyone is interested
[00:49]  * diddledan eats cake
[01:47] <diddledan> so it looks like vim is getting forked? https://github.com/neovim/neovim
[03:49] <mapps> hmm
[03:49] <mapps> whos up
[03:51] <mapps> noone
[03:51] <mapps> ]
[03:51] <mapps> :D
[03:54] <daftykins> \o
[03:54] <daftykins> 97% on the intro to Linux course on edx.org XD
[03:55] <mapps> aha cool
[03:55] <mapps> i did it before, unless it changed?
[03:56] <daftykins> well it did become version 2 at the start of 2015 i think
[03:56] <daftykins> i hadn't been back since i was in hospital.
[03:56] <daftykins> i didn't even finish the content XD just decided to give it a go now and only got one question wrong
[03:57] <mapps> heh
[03:57] <mapps> :D
[03:57] <mapps> im watching walking dead
[04:05] <mapps> episode of the league yay
[04:06] <daftykins> you and your TV
[04:06] <mapps> criminal minds and the league for me this morning
[04:06] <mapps> catching up on walking dead..not watched any of new season
[04:07] <mapps> also need to watch ...need aka want to , watch maze runner 2
[04:07] <mapps> you not watch much?
[04:08] <daftykins> i've got a few on the go at the moment but i'm at the point where i don't even rush to check i'm up to date
[04:08] <daftykins> Fargo season 2 :)
[04:11] <mapps> ahhh yea im an ep behind
[04:11] <mapps> need to watch e3..u seen?
[04:11] <mapps> i take it you watched s1 fargo
[04:12] <daftykins> i think i spotted 4 on my server earlier
[04:12] <daftykins> yeah
[04:19] <mapps> ;]
[04:27] <mapps> cut my toe ;/ caught it on side of cooker
[04:51] <mapps> the legue's so funny
[05:01] <daftykins> ouch!
[05:01] <daftykins> 5am zmoylan-1i ;)
[05:23] <mapps> 5am what
[05:32] <mapps> ?
[05:36] <daftykins> huh?
[05:36] <daftykins> had some disks to unplug :> six to be precise!
 ouch!
 5am zmoylan-1i ;)
[05:37] <mapps> what did that mean heh
[05:38] <daftykins> he reboots @ 5
[05:39] <mapps> oh
[05:39] <mapps> wonder why always 5
[05:42] <daftykins> router woes i think :>
[05:43] <mapps> ah
[05:44] <daftykins> under 10 pages left of my book \o/
[05:47] <daftykins> https://danieldeluxe.bandcamp.com/track/darkness :D
[05:53] <mapps> what book
[05:54] <daftykins> Lee Child - Echo Burning ; one of the 'Jack Reacher' series
[05:54] <daftykins> #5 of 20 as it goes, and i've got 19 of 'em on a shelf now :D
[06:01] <mapps> jack reacher series?
[06:03] <daftykins> yep
[06:03] <daftykins> alrighty, book done - sleep time
[06:03] <daftykins> laters ^_^
[06:09] <mapps> cya:)
[06:30] <mapps> how many more seasons will they do for the walking dead..surely cant be many more
[06:38] <daftykins> hmm decided to stay up a bit and tinker
[06:39] <daftykins> sun coming up already after all ;D
[06:39] <mapps> hah what you doing:D
[06:39] <daftykins> well i booted this spare PC i have that has xubuntu+win10 on it, few mins later i've got my windows drive mounted with the local backup of music... now playing with a music proggie in xubuntu
[06:40] <mapps> cool:D not tried 10
[06:40] <mapps> you like?
[06:41] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/VkYWU2X.jpg
[06:41] <daftykins> quite pretty that gmusicbrowser
[06:42] <daftykins> yeah i like 10, it's very aesthetically boring but it's faster and leaner than even win7 was
[06:42] <mapps> whats min spec required
[06:42] <mapps> i saw some game said 12gig ram LOL
[06:43] <daftykins> sounds like the re-release of Batman Arkham Knight :)
[06:43] <mapps> ya
[06:43] <daftykins> meh Windows sys reqs never make any sense, just runs nicer on what 7 would run on :)
[06:43] <mapps> thAt was it lol
[06:44] <daftykins> that game was ace on my xbox one :) glad i don't mess around trying to get such things going on PC though
[06:44] <daftykins> used to enjoy it but gaming on PC is such a joke these days
[06:44] <daftykins> having said that i'm tempted by treating myself to a completely new PC build :)
[06:47] <mapps> i dont bother with pc games
[06:47] <mapps> too much effort..new game..great my gfx card sucks ont play it etc
[06:50] <daftykins> exactly
[06:50] <daftykins> in fact if i did a new build, i'd use the PSU and card from this one... but it's ancient so it'd suck
[06:50] <daftykins> er not this one, but mine :D
[06:50] <daftykins> hey mapps you heard anything by Tove Lo? :)
[06:50] <daftykins> music wise
[06:51] <mapps> nope what is it
[06:51] <daftykins> really damn catchy
[06:52] <daftykins> little bit more poppy than i might usually go for, but mmm
[06:54] <daftykins> hrmm, i have a couple of SSDs to try blanking
[06:54] <daftykins> odd they won't work in this NAS
[06:54] <daftykins> or i could shop for a new PC case :P
[06:55] <mapps> ah will check it
[06:56] <daftykins> holy crap LG G4 32GB smartphone £299.99 on ebuyer right now
[06:58] <mapps> ?:)
[06:58] <daftykins> http://www.ebuyer.com/store/Computer/cat/Smartphones,-Mobiles-&-Mobile-Broadband?q=lg+g4&no_rr
[06:58] <daftykins> worky?
[07:02] <mapps> ya
[07:02] <mapps> is it a good price or?
[07:03] <daftykins> yeah, my mum just upgraded to one
[07:03] <daftykins> telco wants £500 retail
[07:03] <daftykins> hmm £288 on ebay
[07:04] <mapps> hm
[07:04] <mapps> ridiculous how much phones cost really
[07:05] <daftykins> yip, glad it's not a vice of mine
[07:05] <daftykins> my brother is always buying the very latest Apple, such a mug
[07:05] <mapps> heh
[07:07] <daftykins> this is what's making me hesitant about dropping £500 on a PC upgrade really, i'd still be doing the same things :)
[07:07] <daftykins> i just know modern kit is now 4x faster than mine - plus it's giving some grief with age now
[07:13] <mapps> heh
[07:13] <mapps> yea
[07:13] <daftykins> coffee shop's open now
[07:14] <daftykins> might nip down in a tick :)
[07:14] <daftykins> now that's my vice
[07:15] <mapps> pff i hate going out so early
[07:16] <daftykins> i quite like seeing the normal folk heading in to start :)
[07:16] <mapps> i dont heh
[07:16] <mapps> :)
[07:17] <daftykins> then i go home and go to bed XD
[07:17] <mapps> i cant ever get comfortable
[07:18] <mapps> il fall asleep and wakeup an hr later
[07:18] <mapps> ;/
[07:18] <_Ridgewing> Moin Moin, Good morning \o/
[07:19] <mapps> morning
[07:19] <_Ridgewing> You at UOS ?
[07:19] <mapps> whats that
[07:19] <_Ridgewing> http://summit.ubuntu.com/
[07:20]  * _Ridgewing opens a fresh bag of galaxy cookies that cost 5p from Tresco.
[07:20] <mapps> nice
[07:20] <mapps> bargain
[07:20] <mapps> so what is it _Ridgewing
[07:21] <mapps> online thing..a forum a webcast?
[07:21] <_Ridgewing> kinda
[07:21] <mapps> so if i registered what would i see..how do i participate
[07:22] <_Ridgewing> It's a dev summit where you can log onto gogle hangout and participate in the community tacks etc .. e.g. This was yesterday: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uos-1511/meeting/22620/community-roundtable-ii/
[07:22] <_Ridgewing> (just follow the links and participate on irc.
[07:23]  * _Ridgewing puts his cookie monster badge on :)
[07:23] <mapps> thanks
[07:23] <mapps> those galaxy cookies are nice they sell them here in morrisons
[07:23] <mapps> have you had the bounty ones?
[07:24] <_Ridgewing> Yeah, originally cost £1.37 but I got five bags of four cookie (american big style-y)for 5p each . Yay \o/
[07:24] <_Ridgewing> **cookies
[07:25] <_Ridgewing> The bounty ones are like cocaine for me. Too much and I won't fit in my one-sie.
[07:25] <daftykins> if you were a FOSS lover you'd be greeted by a requirement to install flash in order to watch
[07:25] <daftykins> which is quite frankly laughable :)
[07:26] <mapps> hahaha
[07:26] <mapps> a one-sie?!
[07:26] <_Ridgewing> shuttleworth says you have to take "risks", these days with things like pepper flash.
[07:27] <daftykins> _Ridgewing: i doubt he said that at all :P
[07:28] <_Ridgewing> mapps: There are suggies available, but not at the moment: http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/jml-snuggie-blanket-10-instore-at-asda-646718
[07:28] <mapps> heh
[07:28] <_Ridgewing> **Snuggies
[07:29] <_Ridgewing> daftykins: He did say you have to take risks in the keynote. want me to find it for ya ?
[07:29] <daftykins> regarding flash specifically? :P
[07:29] <_Ridgewing> No.
[07:29] <daftykins> right, thought so
[07:30] <_Ridgewing> k
[07:32] <daftykins> but yeah being Canonical then requiring flash on your summit events, hilarious
[07:32] <_Ridgewing> daftykins: I take it you don't 'hangout' much, then ?
[07:35]  * _Ridgewing waves his little Manx Flag.
[07:37] <daftykins> never used Hangouts no, resist it on my phone too - still on the standard SMS app in android land :P
[07:39] <_Ridgewing> SMS .. is that texting ?
[07:40] <mapps> yea
[07:40]  * _Ridgewing wonders if ppl stil send Txts
[07:40] <mapps> europeans say SMS more
[07:40] <mapps> brits just say text
[07:40] <_Ridgewing> Really ? That's so 2005
[07:40] <mapps> ive seen hangouts on my phone too..never used
[07:40] <_Ridgewing> At least use telegram
[07:40] <mapps> people use snapchat..whatsapp kik telegram viber etc
[07:41] <_Ridgewing> That's a good question: I know snapchat is available for Linux (it has an API) - what do-we need to do to get it on Touch ?
[07:42]  * _Ridgewing wipes the cookie crumbs away from keyboard.
[07:42] <mapps> =]
[07:42] <mapps> no clue
[07:42] <mapps> never used it
[07:42] <daftykins> i have to use SMS for some holdouts, yeah
[07:43] <daftykins> typically on whatsapp
[07:43] <daftykins> heard that telegram name lurking around, no idea what benefits it has though
[07:43] <mapps> encrypted
[07:43] <mapps> i believe
[07:43] <daftykins> ah so for the tinfoil hat crowd, great ;)
[07:43] <mapps> but for most peoples convos its irrelevant
[07:44] <_Ridgewing> I'm sure I wouldn't have an eHarmony girlfriend if it wasn't for Snap chat available on Linux. She specifically stated she was a snapchat addict. [Fair enough]
[07:44] <daftykins> see, i heard that one was for school kids sexting each other originally ;)
[07:44] <daftykins> no point over whatsapp imo
[07:45] <mapps> yea
[07:45] <mapps> eharmony eh
[07:45] <_Ridgewing> yeps.
[07:45] <_Ridgewing> Only cost a grand in subscription/s.
[07:45] <_Ridgewing> But I'm in Lurve
[07:46]  * _Ridgewing blinks
[07:46] <mapps> lol
[07:46] <_Ridgewing> What am doing telling you my juicy bits, anyway - This is a tech channel !!!!!!
[07:46] <mapps> full of fakes and transexuals on dating sites
[07:47] <mapps> ive been on pof and yea uhh
[07:47] <_Ridgewing> eHarmony is abit more softcore IMHO.
[07:47] <mapps> loads of fake profiles nice pics clearly stolen and then guys that are now girls..had a message off them before
[07:47] <mapps> not for me ta
[07:49] <_Ridgewing> I take it "ta" is tea, then ?
[07:49] <mapps> ta like thanks
[07:50] <_Ridgewing> Oh Ok, but what your favourite type of tea-bag ?
[07:50] <mapps> http://www.tv.com/shows/supergirl/
[07:50] <mapps> green tea with honey=]
[07:51]  * _Ridgewing prefers She-ra to Supergirl.
[07:51] <_Ridgewing> she-ra was all about eternity - supergirl is all about muscles.
[07:52] <mapps> decent enoughratings
[07:52] <mapps> i watch lots of tv;D
[07:52] <daftykins> _Ridgewing: you not British then?
[07:52] <mapps> are you new here, didnt recognise the nick
[07:52] <mapps> daftykins the ta thing?;)
[07:53] <_Ridgewing> daftykins: I'm a mixer of Manx and Irish, thou.
[07:53] <daftykins> that's what made me wonder ye :>
[07:53] <_Ridgewing> I'm quite new.
[07:53] <mapps> ;]
[07:53] <daftykins> hehe
[07:53] <daftykins> alright time to go down the coffee shop i think
[07:53] <_Ridgewing> I had a haircut yesterday- and I felt like a new man !
[07:53] <daftykins> ooh already an hour into opening time!
[07:54] <daftykins> i've been debating losing the pony tail :P
[07:54]  * _Ridgewing shudders
[07:55] <mapps> =]
[07:55] <_Ridgewing> Do we have any Corbyn fans here ?
[07:55] <mapps> not me
[07:55] <mapps> ;]
[07:55] <daftykins> Corin... DALLAAAAAS!
[07:55] <daftykins> er Corbin
[07:55] <_Ridgewing> https://www.reddit.com/r/corbyn4leader
[07:55] <mapps> so you gonna be a regular here _Ridgewing?
[07:56] <daftykins> </The Fifth Element>
[07:56] <_Ridgewing> maybe, why is that a problem ?
[07:56] <mapps> ive never 'got' reddit like twitter
[07:56] <diplo> Morning all
[07:56] <mapps> no:P thats good
[07:56] <daftykins> will be if you bring up politics :)
[07:56] <_Ridgewing> k
[07:56] <mapps> just seems like so much text to keep track of
[07:56] <daftykins> diplo: gm sir
[07:57] <_Ridgewing> --------------------------------------------------------
[07:57] <diplo> Can't get used to the speed of login since new ssd :)
[07:57] <daftykins> haha
[07:57] <_Ridgewing> I did apply for reddit funding recently.
[07:57] <diplo> How are we all this rather sh*te morning
[07:57] <_Ridgewing> **CAnonical funding
[07:57] <daftykins> is it the "i'll just get up to make a coffee" type chair movement, but then you see the desktop ready? ;)
[07:57] <mapps> whats that _Ridgewing
[07:58] <daftykins> not bad here ty, ooh yeah it does look rather nasty out there
[07:58] <diplo> I used to wait 20 mins before I could get to work, boot up, go make a brew and open all my daily applications and do nothing
[07:58] <diplo> Yep exactly daftykins :D
[07:58] <_Ridgewing> mapps: http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/funding/
[07:58] <daftykins> :D
[07:58] <mapps> and re reddit i just mean unless i sit there refreshing how would u keep up with a topic
[07:58] <_Ridgewing> Right - trading time ...
[07:58] <daftykins> diplo: i really can't stand being on a machine without one now :( ruins you like proper resolution screens, then multi screens
[07:59] <mapps> same as twitter, i follow some accounts but notifications alays has like 10000
[07:59] <mapps> how can you keep up with it all unless constantly checking
[08:00] <diplo> I need more, tried the one from this lappy in my D820 dell at home
[08:00] <diplo> Didn't recognise it :(
[08:01] <diplo> mapps: You just don't care what you missed :)
[08:01] <mapps> =]
[08:01] <diplo> That's how I do it, I have lists and add people I like to keep on top of in the list, so have 5 lists
[08:02] <daftykins> diplo: non recognised o0 still a SATA machine? might need a BIOS update perhaps
[08:02] <diplo> yeah there is one update
[08:02] <diplo> No mention of it though
[08:02] <diplo> But reading online others have had luck with drives, supposedly intel ones work/recognised beter
[08:02] <diplo> better*
[08:02] <daftykins> sometimes you get lucky :) i did a RAM upgrade in a Dell that claimed no benefits but it made new RAM POST ok \o/
[08:03] <daftykins> which did you get?
[08:03] <diplo> Samsung Evo 850 250gb, work bought it for me so didn't choose per se
[08:04] <daftykins> ah yeah
[08:04] <daftykins> mmm not a bad choice at all
[08:04] <diplo> Oh good, as I am sooooo soooo far out of the hardware game it's ridiculous
[08:05] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:08] <daftykins> only £65 odd for that one too
[08:08] <daftykins> MooDoo: gm o/
[08:12] <diplo> yeah it was a bargain, I want to spuce the speed of my home laptop though
[08:12] <daftykins> oh yeah i think we may've spoken about its' specs in the past
[08:13] <diplo> Yeah, that's two I've tried now a hybrid and this one
[08:14] <diplo> Only bios updater is windows too :/
[08:15] <daftykins> hmm, freeDOS on a flash drive ;D
[08:16] <_Ridgewing> Are you looking for an SSD drive ?
[08:16] <diplo> If I remember correctly I may have done that before... wish I knew someone with some spare drives to test :D
[08:16] <diplo> Yeah for an *old* laptop
[08:16] <_Ridgewing> k .. hangon ...
[08:17] <_Ridgewing> £54.99 http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/sandisk-ultra-ii-2-5-internal-ssd-240-gb-54-99-pcworld-2305892
[08:17] <daftykins> i'd go crucial BX100 for a budget option maybe
[08:17] <daftykins> sandisk, not so hot.
[08:18] <diplo> Yeah, I just don't want to spend the money and it won't work, not the flushest guy with money being a single dad :D
[08:18] <diplo> If I'd tried this Evo and it had worked I'd have bought one already
[08:20] <diplo> Just got a UPS for work PC, todays task is to get it to email/Telegram on powerfailure, unfortunately it's only usb connected
[08:20] <_Ridgewing> Is that a power-back up kinda thing, then ?
[08:20] <diplo> yeah
[08:20] <_Ridgewing> cool.
[08:22] <daftykins> diplo: http://uk.crucial.com/ have a model picker so you can guarantee compatibility
[08:22] <daftykins> free return if it doesn't work \o/
[08:23] <_Ridgewing> They have good returns (crucial.com) But there certainly not the budget option.
[08:23] <diplo> daftykins: thanks, looking now
[08:24] <daftykins> np :)
[08:25] <diplo> Only shows memeory
[08:25] <diplo> :P
[08:27] <daftykins> aww
[08:36] <_Ridgewing> Why doesn't this work ? http://tinyurl.com/uukstat
[08:37] <diplo> domain doesn't resolve
[08:38] <diplo> www or non www
[08:40] <SuperMatt> it's not that the domain doesn't resolve, it's that port 80 is not open on ip <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:41] <SuperMatt> nmap lists the firewall rule as closed, instead of filtered, and I can see port 22 is open, so it's probably that httpd/apache/nginx is down, rather than firewall rules locking it down
[08:43] <diplo> heh, hadn't gone that far to check
[08:43] <diplo> Good work :D
[08:44] <SuperMatt> I'm just breaking out my l337 ex-Rackspace skills
[08:44] <daftykins> :)
[08:45] <daftykins> hang on a minute, didn't you chat on here when you got that job? doesn't seem like all that long ago?
[08:46] <daftykins> mmm gingerbread latte
[08:48] <_Ridgewing> My domain resolves : http://wilywerewolf.com/
[08:49] <daftykins> oof, that'll be out of date very quick
[08:49] <daftykins> hope you only picked one year :)
[08:49] <_Ridgewing> Just not sure what to do with it.
[08:49] <_Ridgewing> Yep, I didn't even register it with my real name Hey-Ho domain-monster !
[08:50] <_Ridgewing> I want to get discourse running, but not sure how ?
[08:50] <_Ridgewing> Plus, I need shopping cookies.
[08:50] <_Ridgewing> and bounty cookies.
[08:51] <daftykins> you're not that redtape fellow from a while back are you?
[08:51] <_Ridgewing> In fact all types of cookies are acceptable, to me.
[08:51] <_Ridgewing> daftykins: Why ?
[08:51] <daftykins> curious.
[08:52] <_Ridgewing> Well, I'm curious that your curious, too.
[08:53] <_Ridgewing> :)
[08:57] <daftykins> i'll take it as a yes then.
[08:58] <_Ridgewing> daftykins: dunno, describe him to me .
[09:01] <daftykins> sorry, can't be bothered to play that game.
[09:01] <_Ridgewing> fair enough, but I think your barking up the wrong tree.
[09:01] <daftykins> ok
[09:02] <_Ridgewing> I'm mostly a Kubuntu fan.
[09:02]  * _Ridgewing is doing the PR and everything.
[09:03] <daftykins> i installed that in a VM the other day, i find it weird looking
[09:03] <_Ridgewing> what the wallpaper , or what ?
[09:03] <_Ridgewing> seems a_lot more solyd to me.
[09:04] <_Ridgewing> **solid
[09:05] <daftykins> i'm in a tech channel on IRC, i'm not judging an OS by its' WALLPAPER!
[09:06] <_Ridgewing> ok, no need to get the hump. Hump day was so yesterday, :)
[09:08] <daftykins> just pointing out how ridiculous your claim was :)
[09:08] <daftykins> or query even
[09:08] <daftykins> nah every UI element really, it's grown up a bit since i last saw it though
[09:08] <daftykins> but 1.2GB RAM used at boot? that one's been at the cookies
[09:17] <_Ridgewing> So it's basically the RAM overhead, then ? - well It's not for your average 2004 laptop, I guess.
[09:17] <daftykins> no that's an aside
[09:18] <_Ridgewing> go on ...
[09:18] <_Ridgewing> we need feedback.
[09:18] <daftykins> no, you don't
[09:19] <daftykins> i was being told just the other day by a guy who considered joining the kubuntu dev team until he saw how they're just glorified debian repackagers :)
[09:19] <daftykins> er, just how iffy the dev on that one seems
[09:20] <_Ridgewing> One of the dev has a Patreon page if you are interested ? https://www.patreon.com/sgclark?ty=h
[09:20] <ali1234> _Ridgewing: KDE has huge problems with alignment - i have to agree it makes everything look weird
[09:20] <_Ridgewing> right, got it - I shall pass that on.
[09:21] <SuperMatt> daftykins: yes, it was only 21 months since I started at Rackspace, but I quit last week for something a little more down to earth
[09:21] <daftykins> SuperMatt: ah-har! wow almost 2 years :S
[09:28] <diplo> Whatcha doing now SuperMatt ?
[09:30] <SuperMatt> I'm working for a company called Sporting Index, doing infrastructure stuff
[09:31] <diplo> Cool, a bit slow paced ?
[09:31] <SuperMatt> so this week I have mostly been working on zabbix
[09:31] <SuperMatt> yeah, lovely and slow paced
[09:32] <daftykins> rackspace was a bit high pressure and time based eh?
[09:32] <daftykins> i was just glancing at their careers page, heh
[09:44] <MooDoo> glad you're enjoying yourself SuperMatt :)
[10:12] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[10:13] <daftykins> heya \o
[10:13] <daftykins> how's brobostigon this fine morning?
[10:13] <brobostigon> my eczema could be better, and you?
[10:14] <MooDoo> oh no - https://blogs.fsfe.org/jonas/?p=30 a sad day indee
[10:14] <daftykins> brobostigon: doh! a friend gets that big time on the island, but when he lived in England it all went away - sea air! all good here ty :)
[10:15] <brobostigon> daftykins: i find moutains are good as well.
[10:18] <daftykins> MooDoo: :(
[10:20] <daftykins> evil cancer
[10:20] <daftykins> dear Asus, please speed up your UK website
[10:22] <diplo> Good luck daftykins, it's been awful for years!
[10:22] <MooDoo> daftykins: yeah i know :(
[10:23] <daftykins> diplo: :D glad it's not just my funny island then
[10:24] <daftykins> just ogling my likely new choice: http://www.asus.com/uk/Motherboards/Z170-PRO/specifications/
[10:24] <daftykins> proper intel gigabit LAN, proper intel USB 3.1 controller
[10:25] <diplo> I sooooo need a new Pc at home, well everything really :)
[10:26] <daftykins> :D
[10:26] <daftykins> you can have my core 2 quad once i upgrade ;)
[10:26] <diplo> Still runs steam though
[10:26] <diplo> Mines a old Dell workstation, core2duo something with 4 or 6gb of ram
[10:27] <diplo> More than anything I'd like to be able to play newer games and rip dvd's a lot quicker
[10:28] <daftykins> mmm you could definitely benefit from a more modern intel i3/i5/i7 with intel quicksync
[10:28] <daftykins> that's great for the DVD transcoding
[10:29] <diplo> Yup, stopped using it at home for nearly 2 years :D
[10:29] <diplo> Switched it on for the kids for Minecraft on the PC, last windows update was like Jan 2013 :D
[10:30] <daftykins> yeeouch!
[10:30] <diplo> Wasn't insecure as it hadn't been powered on :)
[10:30] <SuperMatt> I'll be honest, you should upgrade to windows 10. It's good. Like, really good
[10:30] <diplo> I just didn't feel like doing computers at home anymore
[10:30] <MooDoo> I've only got a laptop but we're having an extension so I'm building a new PC for streaming games etc
[10:30] <diplo> I still don't like it SuperMatt, will stay with 7 for now
[10:31] <SuperMatt> If I could only have a good SSH client on it, I would genuniely use it for my day to day
[10:31] <diplo> I'm debating for the same reason MooDoo
[10:31] <SuperMatt> I really don't like putty
[10:31] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: wait for SSH to be bult into powershell :D
[10:31] <SuperMatt> yeah, I was just about to say that
[10:31] <MooDoo> diplo: :)
[10:31] <diplo> I use mputty SuperMatt :)
[10:31] <diplo> SecureCRT is OK, but not free
[10:32] <MooDoo> diplo: I stream via twitch at the moment via my xbox one :)
[10:32] <daftykins> xbox one \o/
[10:32] <diplo> Did I see a vid from you the other day ? Destiny ?
[10:32] <daftykins> MooDoo: looking forward to the new OS on the 12th? i am :)
[10:32] <SuperMatt> I think waiting for power shell is th ebest bet for me
[10:33] <daftykins> on an xbox? XD
[10:33] <MooDoo> daftykins: ah wondered when it was being release, not fussed really as long as I can stream and play games :)
[10:34] <daftykins> :)
[10:34] <daftykins> should be waaaaaay faster to do most things
[10:34] <daftykins> plus xbox 360 backwards compatibility comes \o/
[10:34] <MooDoo> well i'm a MS fanboy any way so I'm sure it's going to rock!
[10:35] <daftykins> ^5! :)
[10:35] <daftykins> i love win10 streaming from it
[10:35] <MooDoo> :)
[10:35] <daftykins> i can play the games up here at my desk
[10:35] <daftykins> xbox down in the lounge downstairs
[10:35] <MooDoo> daftykins: I'm wireless laptop so it doesn't work over wireless
[10:35] <daftykins> sure it does!
[10:35] <daftykins> i've had my laptop streaming over 130Mbps 'n'
[10:36] <daftykins> maybe not on the 'very high' setting, but it does admirably
[10:36] <MooDoo> hmmm will need to look into it as my laptop won't discover the xbox one
[10:36] <daftykins> is it possible your router / WAP has wireless isolation configured? so it can't see wired devices? unless they're both wireless.
[10:37] <MooDoo> i'll look into that :)
[10:38] <MooDoo> daftykins: ah looks like I can just create a new static route in my dd-wrt router and that should fix it
[10:40] <MooDoo> daftykins: or I'll just plug in a ethernet over power adapter :D
[10:40] <daftykins> :D
[11:10] <diplo> My 360 RROD'd last weekend :(
[11:11] <daftykins> d'aww, long out of warranty?
[11:12] <daftykins> a friend of mine claims 100% success rate on applying the GPU heatsink bolt application fix, very cheap but a fair amount of time to do
[11:12] <diplo> Yeah it is
[11:12] <daftykins> i did a couple myself but they were only ever temporary fixes
[11:12] <diplo> I've looked on ebay, can get the elite for about 50-60 quid
[11:12] <diplo> Or £79 in Game
[11:12] <diplo> Can't decide what to do, can't really afford the One yet
[11:13] <diplo> Kids just bought 4-5 games for the 360 with their birthday money :/
[11:14] <daftykins> erk! the GPU sink mount kit costs about £5 if you're good with hardware
[11:15] <daftykins> before going that far, it's usually worth unplugging all accessories + the HDD to make sure it's definitely the main unit too
[11:15] <daftykins> (MS support makes you do that as step 1 too)
[11:15] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Gunpowder Day, and happy Men Make Dinner Day (totally unrelated)! 😃
[11:15] <Gary> oh I so need to hide someplace safe from bleeding fireworks tonight
[11:16] <MooDoo> oh no forgot it was that onight
[11:16] <daftykins> me too!
[11:16] <daftykins> i'm in the capital so i can't avoid haha
[11:17] <Gary> I once visited a friend on bonfire night - his housing estate was more like a warzone
[11:18] <foobarry>  popey thanks for he tp link
[11:19] <popey> np
[11:22] <foobarry> sad about losing root on my hudl2 though
[11:22] <daftykins> they patch it out with their lollipop update?
[11:22] <foobarry> yeah
[11:22] <diplo> daftykins: I will look into it thanks, think I'll order another anyhoo and have the old one as a project
[11:23] <daftykins> i guess now they're winding those down, it'll likely come back
[11:23] <diplo> Kids can have one in another room if it works
[11:23] <foobarry> and they don't allow unlocing bootloader
[11:23] <daftykins> diplo: :D
[11:23] <foobarry> even though they stopped selling the tablet
[11:27] <popey> they don't sell the hudl2?
[11:27] <popey> I thought i saw them in tesco last week
[11:28] <daftykins> 'til stock runs out i think now
[11:28] <daftykins> no more making them
[11:29] <zmoylan-pi> no hudl3...
[11:32] <daftykins> nope!
[11:32] <daftykins> they shut down a lot of their content streaming services and are getting out of hardware it seems
[11:32] <zmoylan-pi> they created a really nice piece of kit, got a lot of mindshare and then throw it away...
[11:32] <daftykins> Tesco's big cheese wants to focus on the supermarket being a... supermarket :D
[11:33] <zmoylan-pi> well that's not going to work when aldi and lidl are nearby
[11:33] <zmoylan-pi> i use tesco mobile for my mobile phone.  hope that keeps going as it's best/only prepay in ireland left
[11:35] <daftykins> hmm
[11:37] <zmoylan-pi> no junk sms, cheapest, good coverage...
[11:38] <daftykins> i think they're just a MVNO over there - the virtual networks?
[11:39] <zmoylan-pi> same here, piggy backing on 02's network, now owened by 3 i think
[11:40] <daftykins> ah yeah
[11:41] <zmoylan-pi> i use data, calls sms so little that i get 2-3 months per €5
[11:41] <daftykins> wowzer!
[11:42] <daftykins> we have 3 mobile providers right now, but one is buying the other yet again so we'll be back to 2 :(
[11:42] <zmoylan-pi> on any other network €5 only lasts 2 weeks and then i need to add another €5 for 2 more weeks as they moved to rolling contracts but still calling it prepay
[11:43] <zmoylan-pi> so i kinda want to stick to proper prepay :-) €30 for same if i get a rolling contract...
[11:44] <zmoylan-pi> if i don't get a choice, i'll probably just ditch using a sim, it's not worth that amount of money for so little usage
[11:45] <awilkins> GiffGaff is kind of in that space
[11:45] <awilkins> You can do a rolling contract or pay as you go
[11:46] <awilkins> They charge a flat £0.06 a text, and £0.10 a minute, £0.20 for the first 20MB of data in a day
[11:47] <awilkins> I think I was getting by with about £6 a month but I just upped it to £10 so I could stop worrying about data
[11:47] <awilkins> Calls to other GiffGaff phones are free
[11:48] <awilkins> They too subcontract onto the O2 network
[11:48] <daftykins> *nod* saw some ads for that the other day, can't remember where as i don't normally see broadcast TV
[11:49] <zmoylan-pi> of course since 3 bought 02 they've been shutting down the 2g network to push 4g which is annoying
[11:49] <awilkins> Yeah, the coverage of even 3G is still awful on transport links
[11:49] <awilkins> Which is a real PITA when you are using Maps and you need a reroute and you can't get decent data
[11:50] <zmoylan-pi> i use cycle streets for offline map as there is a uk and ireland download for all the map data
[11:51] <awilkins> I find the thing where it will route you around traffic pretty useful
[11:51] <zmoylan-pi> it won't do the routing offline but i never use that
[11:52] <awilkins> I have no idea how I would function without satnav now :-)
[11:52] <zmoylan-pi> i have a compass in my bag... :-)
[11:58] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: I have a watch with hands who needs a compass
[11:59] <Gary> how do you tell direction with a watch with hands?
[12:01] <zmoylan-pi> take lots of iron, point, spin and when you stop you'll be pointing north :-)
[12:02] <bigcalm> http://www.wikihow.com/Use-an-Analog-Watch-as-a-Compass
[12:02] <Gary> ah, it's cloudy :'(
[12:03] <zmoylan-pi> and it doesn't work when summer time is in effect :-)
[12:04] <zmoylan-pi> i did get a cheap watch in lidl with a compass feature builtin.  but i don't wear it
[12:04] <davmor2> Gary: you can still tell where the sun is even now when it is cloudy
[12:05] <zmoylan-pi> not it ireland you can't
[12:05] <davmor2> zmoylan-pi: it does work you just set the hand back an hour which takes a couple of seconds
[12:05] <zmoylan-pi> there are days you're not even sure it's day when the could cover is really thick
[12:07] <Gary> davmor2, it's in the sky! :p
[12:08] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF1951pENdk
[12:25] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[12:26] <MooDoo> morning
[12:40] <zmoylan-pi> because using a solar powered charger on a plane should make everyone around you nervous...


[16:21] <kantlivelong> is there list of kernel command line options to disable security mitigation for recent cpu exploits?
[16:27] <gpiccoli> kantlivelong, I think "mitigations=off" will do the job, by disabling all of them
[16:28] <kantlivelong> thats 5.2+ kernel though right?
[16:28] <kantlivelong> suppose i could update
[16:29] <gpiccoli> It's backported to older kernels in our releases, let me check for you kantlivelong
[16:29] <kantlivelong> ah
[16:30] <gpiccoli> kantlivelong, for Bionic (4.15): https://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-bionic.git/tree/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt#n2452
[16:30] <kantlivelong> ah cool
[16:30] <kantlivelong> thats what i was lookin for
[16:30] <gpiccoli> This file explain the fine tunnings to the mitigations, like to disable a mitigation for a single issue (Spectre only for example)
[16:31] <gpiccoli> Great =)
[16:31] <gpiccoli> This is on Disco (5.0): https://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-disco.git/tree/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt#n2567
[16:31] <gpiccoli> SAme thing basically heheh
[16:31] <gpiccoli> You may be using 5.0 as Bionic HWE for example
[16:32] <kantlivelong> gonna give this a shot
[16:32] <gpiccoli> cool, hope it helps you
[16:32] <kantlivelong> only real concern is js but think firefox mitigated that
[16:33] <gpiccoli> Hmm..not sure about that. The advise is usually to keep mitigations enabled, although I can see how it may affect some workloads' performance heheh
[16:33] <kantlivelong> otherwise its all trusted code running
[16:33] <gpiccoli> It's a per-case decision I guess
[16:33] <kantlivelong> desktop gaming/dev pc
[16:33] <kantlivelong> older
[16:34] <kantlivelong> tyty
[16:35] <gpiccoli> yw =)
[16:42] <JanC> maybe don't do banking on it
[16:42] <JanC> or similar
[16:43] <kantlivelong> or just close ff and open w/ bank alone
[16:43] <JanC> and development might depend on what sort; if it's all open source there are probably easier ways to "steal" your code, like using git...  ;)
[16:43] <kantlivelong> no real concern other than ff
[16:46] <tyhicks> kantlivelong: firefox reduced their timer precision which makes it more difficult to carry out speculative attacks using JS
[16:46] <JanC> which means an attack would probably take a lot longer
[16:48] <tyhicks> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2018-01/
[16:48] <tyhicks> they call it a partial, short-term mitigation (which is a fair description)
[16:48] <tyhicks> I don't know if they've done anything in addition to that initial change
[16:49] <JanC> probably not much else they can do without removing functionality
[22:16] <shibboleth> for some reason the verbose boot text, desktop, picture on the screen is "more grey" (dunno how to put it) wheen booting kernel 5.3 vs 4.15
[22:16] <shibboleth> no such issue in 5.0
[22:16] <shibboleth> in short, my displays look at lot cheaper when booting 5.3 :)
[22:17] <shibboleth> displays connected by displayport, intel skylake graphics
[22:17] <shibboleth> imagine looking at a cheap-ass LCD vs a decent one at best buy. one has excellent black, the other will be tainted by a grey hue
[22:21] <shibboleth> booting debian testing kernel 5.3=no issue
[22:22] <shibboleth> ubuntu 18.04-hwe-edge was affected both before and after todys update


[03:05] <qengho> Howdy. I have a trackpad on my laptop. It doesn't have physical mouse buttons, but has an area at the bottom defined as "Soft Mouse Buttons". Great. Two fingers on the trackpad makes any movement into a scroll action.
[03:06] <qengho> That is fine in most cases.  But, I like to rest my finger on the area of the pad that is the button area.
[03:07] <qengho> That means I can't move the pointer by using my other finger or hand to move the pointer. That's two fingers on the trackpad, so one finger on the button area and one moving around up high is interpreted as a scroll action.
[03:08] <qengho> Can I make the finger in the button area never trigger a scroll action?
[03:08] <qengho> I'm comfortable with xinput set-property.
[15:08] <krashekspress> I think I figured out https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdrm/+bug/1724796
[15:09] <krashekspress> Question is can I do some kind of "magic" workaround


[11:25] <eylul> re the long standing wacom saga: https://github.com/Zeioth/XFCE-Wacom-Settings
[11:26] <eylul> tldr somebody is working on getting gnome settings of wacom to xfce properly, we should probably at this point contribute to this, rather than go with the initial plan of making our own thing
[11:29]  * eylul 's opinion is pending testing it obviously
[14:49] <linuxpt2> am i here?
[14:50] <astraljava> Maybe, depends where you'd want to be.
[14:51] <linuxpt2> sorry - i wasnt sure if i had been timed out - cheers now I know


[08:31] <mup> PR snapd#13280 opened: wrappers: restructure service code, and split into an internal package <Created by Meulengracht> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13280>
[12:23] <mup> PR snapd#13239 closed: tests: fix store-state tool restoring fakestore <Simple 😃> <Test Robustness> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13239>
[12:48] <mup> PR snapd#13281 opened: snapd ros file system interface <Created by MirkoFerrati> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13281>
[16:39] <mup> PR snapd#13282 opened: tests: changes in log-parser to validate fixes <Run nested> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13282>
[16:54] <mup> PR snapd#13279 closed: aspects: support 'any' type in aspect schemas <aspects> <Created by MiguelPires> <Merged by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13279>
[17:03] <lissyx> should it filed as a bug that blocking snap refresh does not block them, according to https://treeherder.mozilla.org/logviewer?job_id=431990807&repo=try&lineNumber=80-83 ?
[17:14] <mup> PR snapd#13283 opened: secboot/luks2: remove unused variable <Created by MiguelPires> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13283>
[17:19] <mup> PR snapd#13284 opened: tests/core-dump: check that core dumps can be generated on UC <Created by alfonsosanchezbeato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/13284>
[18:02] <Elliria> Hey there. I listed all my snaps after lowering the number of revisions to keep back to the default setting and have cleaned up the extra Firefox revisions, but am not sure what I can get rid of in the Gnome ones. Would there be any harm in removing gnome revision 126 from this list? https://bpa.st/PH2Q


[23:51] <TheMuso> Hey robert_ancell. How was your trip?
[23:52] <robert_ancell> Hey TheMuso, good trip.  Rushed but we got a lot of sights in
[23:52] <TheMuso> Great.
[23:54] <robert_ancell> So much email to catch up on...
[23:57] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: Yeah I know what you mean. I remember taking a week off earlier this year, and coming back to a pile of email.


[13:34] <larryone> trying to recall if i'd ever logged into this channel before
[13:35] <larryone> probably have
[13:36] <czajkowski> hi
[13:37] <larryone> your handle looks familiar
[13:38] <larryone> I think we may have met
[13:38] <larryone> your rory's friend?
[13:38] <czajkowski> yup :0
[13:38] <czajkowski> :)
[13:38] <larryone> there we go
[13:38] <larryone> kindof half expected him to be in here =0)
[13:39] <czajkowski> on his honeymoon
[13:39] <larryone> oh yea
[13:39] <larryone> jaysis ye think i'd be following his facebook posts
[13:40] <larryone> (or maybe I should have taken the "that's no excuse!" stance)
[20:08] <airurando> czajkowski: I still haven't received the e-mail instructing me how to pay for skycon.  Thought I would have by now. Hope I didn't screw up the registration.
[20:11] <czajkowski> airurando: its pre registeation so I'm not sure if you dont just pay on the day
[20:11] <czajkowski> airurando<EMAIL_ADDRESS>care to drop em a mail
[20:12] <czajkowski> might remind them to get the finger out tbh
[20:13] <airurando> kinda rushed the pre reg but i'm sure i read an e-mail with instructions on payment would follow.
[20:13] <airurando> will blast off a mail to them
[20:13] <czajkowski> nods
[20:13] <czajkowski> cheers


[08:27] <dholbach> good morning
[16:20] <bac> hi dholbach
[16:20] <dholbach> hey bac
[16:20] <bac> i saw mention of an ngo session for UDS.
[16:20] <bac> anyway you can schedule that for monday or tuesday?  i'll not be available otherwise
[16:23] <dholbach> I'll add it to my TODO
[16:24] <dholbach> thanks bac
[16:24] <bac> great, thanks
[16:25]  * xdatap hugs dholbach
[16:25]  * dholbach hugs xdatap back
[16:25] <dholbach> I'm looking forward to it
[16:25] <dholbach> somebody from the Ubuntu Berlin team is setting up a school in Sierra Leone with computers
[16:25] <dholbach> they'll soon go down there again and bring a container full of PCs
[16:26] <dholbach> and they were also planning to do something with OSM mapping
[16:26] <dholbach> I'll ask him to send a report to our list when he's done
[16:26] <xdatap> that's cool
[16:27] <xdatap> dholbach, remember the guy I interviewed from Togo?
[16:27] <xdatap> dholbach, last week he asked me how to set up a LoCo :)
[16:40] <dholbach> xdatap, NICE
[16:40] <dholbach> xdatap, is there nobody from Togo running a loco yet?
[16:40] <dholbach> I thought I had read something somewhere already
[16:45] <xdatap> dholbach, afaik there isn't anybody
[16:46] <dholbach> ok
[16:46] <xdatap> dholbach, there's this guys: http://ubuntungo.wordpress.com/2010/06/07/ngo-casestudy-portoseguro/
[16:46] <dholbach> I think didrocks once went to Togo as well to bring computers down there
[16:46] <dholbach> maybe he still has connections
[16:48] <xdatap> dholbach, cool. We'll talk about it in Budapest :
[16:48] <xdatap> :)
[16:49] <dholbach> great :)
[16:50] <Pendulum> czajkowski: someone mentioned the word loco in here :P
[16:51] <dholbach> what? the loco alarm didn't go off?
[16:51] <Pendulum> I dunno.  I was surprised...
[16:56] <xdatap> loco loco loco
[16:56] <xdatap> :P
[17:59] <highvoltage> heh


[03:13] <InHisName> Good Evening, Folks !
[10:37] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:41] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[10:41] <JonathanD> hi rmg51
[10:41] <rmg51> o/
[13:03] <teddy-dbear> morning
[13:03] <InHisName> Morning
[13:03] <teddy-dbear> o/
[14:14] <adom> someone remind me in screen copy mode, what the keys are to start and stop selecting text?
[14:15] <adom> nvm got it
[14:36] <waltman> adom: I always use the mouse to select text in screen. I never remember the keys either, and even when I do I find that interface slower and more awkward.
[19:25] <InHisName1> Hi logged in via rdp / vnc into my main machine in window :1   while main :0 still running.
[19:27] <MutantTurkey> wow nice
[23:47] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: whoohooo 95 upvotes today on reddit!
[23:47] <MutantTurkey> I never no if anything goes through because my connection is so flakey
[23:48] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: what?
[23:48] <jedijf> MutantTurkey: what was upvoted
[23:48] <MutantTurkey> http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/q2zuc/eat_your_own_dog_food/
[23:48] <PennBot> Title: Eat your own dog food. : Libertarian (at www.reddit.com)
[23:49] <jedijf> politics..boring
[23:49] <jedijf> linux philadelphia
[23:49] <jedijf> nada mas
[23:49] <jedijf> i thought for a second you were going to promote
[23:49] <pleia2> +1
[23:49] <jedijf> Arch Women
[23:50] <MutantTurkey> who cares!
[23:50] <MutantTurkey> I am a internet sensation with 105 upvotes
[23:50] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: at least upvote me.
[23:51] <jedijf> done
[23:51] <MutantTurkey> good man
[23:54] <jedijf> btw, arch women is real
[23:55] <jedijf> http://archwomen.org/index.php/2012/arch-women-is-underway
[23:55] <PennBot> Title: Arch Linux Women is Underway (at archwomen.org)
[23:55] <MutantTurkey> wow
[23:55] <MutantTurkey> cool
[23:56] <MutantTurkey> 59 points and rising!
[23:56] <MutantTurkey> https://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.next.announce/browse_thread/thread/6af5808c84a771fc/042c02b1b5992dd3?pli=1
[23:56] <MutantTurkey> good read
[23:56] <PennBot> Title: WorldWideWeb wide-area hypertext app available - comp.sys.next.announce | Google Groups (at groups.google.com)