[00:02] <directhex> there's a reason agencies don't accept pdf
[00:03] <directhex> they strip your contact details in the version they send to prospective employers. otheerwise the employer could contact you direct & cut out the middle-man (who earns a lot per successful candidate)
[00:05] <popey> yup
[00:05] <popey> parasitic bastards
[00:10]  * popey is happy that his current contract isnt through an agency
[00:10] <popey> which is rare for me
[00:13] <moreati> not only do they strip your name, someties they add extra skills/experience
[00:14] <popey> heh, yeah :)
[00:14] <popey> My very first job was obtained because the agency lied and told them that I could drive. At the time I hadn't had any lessons :)
[01:13] <theone_> fgh
[01:15] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] 4.6 Release Supper - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4379
[08:06] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:12] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:13] <AlanBell> meeting at 21:00 this evening
[08:16] <MooDoo> AlanBell: is it on the topic?   i didn't notice
[08:17] <AlanBell> Meeting Thursday January 27th 21:00 GMT in #ubuntu-uk-meeting http://tinyurl.com/uukmeet
[08:17] <AlanBell> \o/ Cats (and minecraft)
[08:17] <MooDoo> oooo mine craft :)
[08:21] <AlanBell> not sure what the big deal is about cats
[08:21] <AlanBell> do they give you eggs? I don't think so.
[08:34] <HazRPG> good morning everybody
[08:34] <MooDoo> morning
[08:37] <DJones> Morning all
[08:41] <DJones> AlanBell: Although I'm not fussed about cats, I think I'd rather have a cat sitting on my lap than an egg producer with a beak & claws
[08:42] <HazRPG> personally I'd rather have a dog
[08:42] <MartijnVdS> cats > *
[08:42] <DJones> Dogs FTW
[08:42] <HazRPG> at least dogs are entertaining
[08:43] <MartijnVdS> so are cats :)
[08:43] <DJones> Cats & Dogs together are even more entertaining :)
[08:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cats are good
[08:43] <MartijnVdS> dogs are needy
[08:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning BTW
[08:43] <MartijnVdS> \o TOS
[08:44] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: true... however dogs will always be a mans best friend
[08:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmm - I might need a different "handle" - really not sure about TOS.
[08:44] <HazRPG> a cat tends to do their own thing
[08:44] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: that's why I like them :)
[08:44] <HazRPG> having a cat is like having a teenager in the house all day long
[08:44] <HazRPG> they just constantly nag until you let them out so they can go out and party
[08:45] <HazRPG> dogs are happy to just go where-ever you want to go
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: nah you just need to train your cats better.
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> In/out when $boss wants it
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> Food when $boss wants it
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> etc.
[08:46] <MartijnVdS> works fine with my parents' cat :)
[08:46] <HazRPG> yeah, but you can't exactly go out with a cat can you and have a walk together lol
[08:46] <DJones> HazRPG: Tell that to my dog, yes he's happy to go out with me whenever I want, but when he doesn't want to come in, he does a good job of being selectively ignorant
[08:47] <HazRPG> DJones: dogs just like having fun too much lol
[08:48] <DJones> One advantage cats have over dogs is that they don't bark & when they make a noise, its very rarely anywhere near as loud as a dog barking
[08:48] <HazRPG> I don't know how my mum's managed to do it, cos she owns 2 dogs and 8 pups at the moment (bare in mind she use to HATE dogs all of her life - but since she got her first dog like 2 years ago, she seems to love them now)
[08:49] <DJones> What breed does she have?
[08:49] <HazRPG> anyways, she's managed to train that first dog to be like the perfect pet/friend - always listens
[08:50] <HazRPG> I haven't a clue, in arabic they seem to call them "multipoo"
[08:50] <DJones> heh
[08:51] <DJones> Our dog has a native american name, "Oscar TwoPoo" based on experience while on his regular walks
[08:51] <HazRPG> its a pure white dog, it'd be about 40cm ish in height, has naturally wavey hair
[08:52] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: like this? http://www.flickr.com/photos/tannie/5386744767/
[08:53] <HazRPG> her daughter looks like a dalmatian - cos she got pregnant from a street dog lol
[08:53] <HazRPG> but I don't mean those white dogs with black spots type of dalmatian though
[08:54] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: haha yeah that's the one
[08:54] <HazRPG> except the one my mum has, has softer looking hair
[08:55] <HazRPG> might just be cos she baths it every other day
[09:00] <popey> morning all
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> howdy popey
[09:01]  * popey tickles MooDoo with http://popeydc.dyndns.org/maps/ and http://popeydc.dyndns.org/gmaps/
[09:04] <HazRPG> http://picasaweb.google.com/hazrpg/MumSDogsPuppies?feat=directlink <== puppy power!
[09:05] <DJones> HazRPG: Nice and cute, although not sure about the ribbons
[09:05] <popey> anyone fancy confirming a bug for me?
[09:05] <popey> bug 708393
[09:05] <popey> I'm using natty, but would be interested to know if it works in 10.10
[09:05] <HazRPG> DJones: the ribbons are temporary, it just so my mum can associate each one with the right names until she gets them all proper collars
[09:06] <HazRPG> she doesn't see the point in getting collars when we're not sure how big they're going to get
[09:06] <DJones> Is she keeping them all
[09:06] <HazRPG> nor if she's keeping them all
[09:06] <HazRPG> heh, nah she's not sure
[09:07] <HazRPG> she got rid of the last set (minus tutu, which is the mother in the background of the first photo) but this time she really doesn't want to
[09:07] <HazRPG> just because she seems to have like a full set of very different dogs
[09:07] <HazRPG> lol
[09:08] <HazRPG> not fair :( by the time I get to see the pup's they'll be huge!
[09:08] <DJones> keeping 8 or 9 dogs would be expensive though, probably more for vets fee's, insurance etc, food possibly less so because they're not huge dogs that'd eat big meals
[09:09] <HazRPG> tutu there stands in at about half a meter or so, but she's almost a meter long and man can she eat!
[09:09]  * DJones ponders a bring your pet to IRC day
[09:09] <HazRPG> DJones: haha
[09:10] <HazRPG> mum's planning on opening her own veterinary
[09:10] <HazRPG> *slash* hair-dresser shop
[09:10] <HazRPG> its an odd mix
[09:11] <HazRPG> but in egypt vets are only open on a Thursday, and hair dressers aren't open at all on a Thursday - its weird
[09:11] <HazRPG> obviously the rooms for the animals will be completely different to the rooms for hair cutting
[09:12] <HazRPG> with different entrances
[09:12] <HazRPG> (she's retired, she just wants something to do now lol)
[09:12]  * gord looks at his schedule, decides not to do an entire week of uds this time, maybe skip entirely
[09:13] <HazRPG> man, why can't I find any photos of mum's first dog
[09:14]  * Neoti|work I hate formatting data....
[09:15] <HazRPG> don't we all
[09:15] <HazRPG> suppose I should get cracking on some work
[09:15]  * HazRPG goes to look at some boring relationship diagrams
[09:18] <popey> gord: are you allowed to choose not to go to UDS?
[09:18] <popey> also gord any idea if my bug 708393 is compiz/unity related?
[09:19] <MartijnVdS> popey: all bugs in natty are compiz/unity-related :P
[09:19] <gord> depends how needed i'll be, if not then i don't have to go this time
[09:19] <popey> ahh
[09:19] <gord> popey, doubt its related, more likely gstreamer
[09:19] <popey> it gives an x type error
[09:21] <gord> it'll be asking for some buggy format that X can't do, compiz shouldn't cause X errors in applications
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> Any Nottinghamites in here? :) http://periodicvideos.blogspot.com/2011/01/public-lecture.html
[09:24] <Neoti|work> im from nottingham
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> Neoti|work: check the link :)
[09:25] <Neoti|work> i just did .. lol ....
[09:25] <Neoti|work> where in notts u from,
[09:25] <popey> hehe
[09:26] <popey> gord: known bug that you can't drag stuff to the trash in unity?
[09:26] <gord> i think so, i brought it up with the guys doing the launcher once at least
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> Neoti|work: I'm not from Nottingham :)
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> Neoti|work: I just follow Brady's channels on Youtube
[09:27] <Neoti|work> ah ....
[09:27] <popey> i notice that in natty the bin has reverted back to being called Trash
[09:27] <popey> and in nautilus it's called Wastebasket
[09:27]  * popey files a new bug about this
[09:32] <wintellect> is "Recycle Bin" patented by Apple / MS?  :P
[09:32] <popey> no
[09:35] <Neoti|work> just out of interest in the next release of ubuntu have they fixed PPTP vpn ..... ??? is it is broken and there are some bug reports about it on ubuntu website etc...
[09:35]  * seeif slaps ajmcpherson around a bit with a large trout
[09:36] <popey> o_O
[09:36]  * HazRPG wonders why he always has the urge to click links
[09:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> HazRPG: It's genetically encoded
[09:37] <HazRPG> TheOpenSourcerer: ^^,
[09:37]  * popey clicks on TheOpenSourcerer
[09:37] <HazRPG> popey: did it do anything :O
[09:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> moar coffee (and perhaps a biscuit...)
[09:37]  * DJones offers popey some antivirus just in case
[09:38]  * TheOpenSourcerer is NOT contagious
[09:41] <gord> popey, translations in unity aren't turned on yet, i'm dealing with a merge request for that right now, doesn't need a bug :) in nautilus its called rubbish bin here
[09:41]  * HazRPG 's twitches.
[09:42]  * HazRPG eye's twitches.
[09:42] <popey> gord: the shortcut is called wastebasket
[09:42] <popey> bookmark thingy
[09:42] <HazRPG> apparently I have the pizzaman song
[09:42] <gord> popey, i don't have a bookmark to the rubbish bin at all
[09:43] <popey> under places
[09:43] <HazRPG> "I tell her I wanted a fork..."
[09:43] <popey> I have alan, Desktop, File System, Network, Floppy Drive (gah!), Wastebasket
[09:43] <gord> popey, yeah there its callled rubbish bin here
[09:43] <gord> and i don't have a floppy drive :P its not 1995!
[09:43] <popey> neither do i
[09:43] <popey> my machine has never had one
[09:44] <HazRPG> hmm, I have 3 floppy drives that have never seen the light of day since 1997
[09:45] <directhex> i stopped putting a floppy drive into pc builds after vista came out
[09:45] <directhex> xp still needed one
[09:45] <HazRPG> about about 10 floppies which probably has corrupt data on it
[09:45] <HazRPG> directhex: really? I've never had a floppy drive on any XP machine I've owned
[09:45] <popey> directhex: http://popey.com/house/ & http://popey.com/~alan/house/scripts/ & buy a currentcost and a cable
[09:46] <popey> HazRPG: for sata drivers during install
[09:46] <gord> if you don't have a floppy drive, how on earth do you play the secret of monkey island?!
[09:46] <gord> also, really... minecraft should come on floppy disks
[09:46] <directhex> HazRPG, xp will only load drivers during install from A:\, so if you need to add a driver to install...
[09:47] <BigRedS> directhex: you can do it from local HDD, and I'm pretty sure from a second CD drive, too
[09:47] <directhex> gord, http://store.steampowered.com/app/32360/ ?
[09:47] <BigRedS> It's a bunch of faff, but as supported as anything else is in an XP install
[09:47] <popey> local hdd on a machine that cant see the disk controller?
[09:47] <directhex> BigRedS, no.
[09:47] <popey> thats paradoxical
[09:47] <BigRedS> popey: yeah. Say a USB stick or a disk that's not on the controller you're trying to install support for
[09:47] <andylockran> howdy guys
[09:48] <andylockran> and gals
[09:48] <popey> nope
[09:48] <directhex> BigRedS, the NT5 installer will only read the drivers integrated into the install media driver database, or A:\
[09:48] <popey> xp does not support usb on install
[09:48] <directhex> BigRedS, you're thinking of vista
[09:48] <gord> directhex, yeah but thats the special addition that looks weird, booooo! *ignores other mode*
[09:48] <BigRedS> I've never installed vista
[09:48] <directhex> or xp by the sound of it!
[09:48] <BigRedS> I've done that at least a couple of times with XP on Dells to get the raid cards working. The get-the-stuff-off-a-different-local-disk thing.
[09:48] <HazRPG> woah, vista can be installed!?
[09:49] <gord> and now my bin icon is called rubbish bin in unity :) woo
[09:51] <BigRedS> Hm. All I can find on the subject is "replace the windows CD with one wth a driver on it"
[09:51] <BigRedS> I'm sure it was documented *somewhere*
[09:51] <BigRedS> anyway, nobody is installing XP these days so it's not like it matters
[09:51] <directhex> BigRedS, things that don't exist can't be documented
[09:51] <BigRedS> I didn't just guess that it'd work and try it
[09:51] <popey> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/916196/en-us
[09:51] <DJones> BigRedS: I'm going to have to install XP so I can install a bios update on a laptop ):
[09:52] <BigRedS> popey: yeah, so USB doesn't. I *know* I've got raid card controllers inserted into an XP install before off a local HDD
[09:53] <BigRedS> or, thinking about it, more likely server 03
[09:53] <popey> I *know* you haven't
[09:53] <BigRedS> or whichever one was XP dressed up as a server
[09:53] <popey> maybe :)
[09:53] <BigRedS> fair enough
[09:53] <directhex> 2k3 isn't xp
[09:53] <directhex> but xp64 is 2k3
[09:53] <directhex> both are still nt5-series though
[09:54] <directhex> yay for the 5.2 kernel. blocking game installs since... 2003!
[10:16] <HazRPG> time to do some mail
[10:16] <HazRPG> bbl
[10:16] <czajkowski> Aloha
[10:16] <HazRPG> (why some things can't be done electronically is beyond me :/)
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: because there's a whole generation of people who don't "get" computers
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> not really anyway
[10:19] <HazRPG> yeah but by surely constantly pushing paper, people are just going to get use to paper and it'll never be electronic
[10:19] <HazRPG> I remember that computers were the new way to save trees way back when :/
[10:19] <HazRPG> still hasn't took off lol
[10:20] <HazRPG> I have a feeling its more to do with people don't want people to get lazy and forget how to write lol
[10:20] <HazRPG> (remembers a time when I had to hand write an essay T_T)
[10:21] <HazRPG> anyways, back in a bit
[10:22]  * HazRPG looks forward to seeing more diagrams ;?
[10:23]  * screen-x feels sorry for cold calling people that get his number
[10:23] <screen-x> muhahhahaa
[10:26] <popey> gord: full screen minecraft sucks on 11.04
[10:27] <popey> gord: is it same for you? framerate is awful
[10:27] <gord> popey, fullscreen how, f11?
[10:28] <popey> no, maximise the window
[10:28] <popey> so it takes up one screen
[10:28] <popey> f11 maxes over both screens and is thus worse
[10:28] <popey> one frame every 10-20 seconds
[10:29] <gord> huh, it works fine maximised here, 70-80fps (and i have it set to limit fps)
[10:29] <popey> nvidia?
[10:29] <gord> yeah
[10:30] <gord> works fine on this gtx260 machine and my 9600gtm in the laptop
[10:30] <popey> unusable here
[10:32] <gord> popey, how updated is the system? new xorg at the moment that might be screwing things up for you
[10:32] <gord> i haven't done a proper update since last week
[10:33] <popey> been like it all the time I have been on natty
[10:33]  * czajkowski peers into #ubuntu-uk
[10:36] <gord> not sure then :(
[10:37] <Myrtti> but how can you keep an eye on IRC if you play minecraft fullscreen? :->
[10:37] <popey> two screens
[10:37] <HazRPG> back
[10:37] <czajkowski> popey: geek!
[10:38] <bigcalm> Morning peeps
[10:38] <bigcalm> I can't play minecraft full screen, it makes me feel ill (motion sickness I guess)
[10:38] <czajkowski> bigcalm: *hugs*
[10:38] <popey> i tried it with red/blue glasses
[10:38] <bigcalm> czajkowski: 2 screens maketh the geek?
[10:38] <popey> ok, so i run glxgears
[10:38] <bigcalm> czajkowski: *big hugs*
[10:38] <popey> 35712 frames in 5.0 seconds = 7142.334 FPS
[10:39] <popey> but the screen updates once every so often
[10:39] <popey> its not smooth at all
[10:39] <popey> (not full screen)
[10:39] <bigcalm> :S
[10:39] <HazRPG> has anyone got the ubuntu hoodie's?
[10:39] <popey> XIO:  fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server ":0.0" after 45 requests (45 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
[10:40] <popey> :S
[10:40] <popey> gord: run glxgears
[10:40] <bigcalm> popey: it's 100% smooth for me in 3d
[10:40] <bigcalm> Don't have the glasses to play with though
[10:40] <popey> do you see two windows in t  he laucnher?
[10:40] <gord> popey, glxgears  Running synchronized to the vertical refresh.  The framerate should be approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate. 300 frames in 5.0 seconds = 59.931 FPS
[10:40] <gord> all runs fine
[10:41] <bigcalm> popey: 2 windows?
[10:41] <bigcalm> Oh, I'm on windows atm :)
[10:41] <popey> two items in the unity launcher
[10:41] <popey> each with 3 dots next to them
[10:41] <bigcalm> Still don't know what you're talking about
[10:42] <gord> popey, bug we know about in a service we use to get window information, seems to be fixed in the latest version of that service though
[10:42] <gord> happens with glx windows
[10:42] <popey> my system prety much locks up when i run glxgears
[10:42] <popey> 100% cpu
[10:43] <gord> popey, maybe in opengl settings in nvidia-settings set sync to vblank and allow flipping. might need to restart your session
[10:43] <popey> does that change immediately?
[10:44] <popey> that fixed glxgears!
[10:44] <popey> nice one
[10:44]  * popey hugs gord
[10:45] <gord> \o/
[10:45] <andylockran> :)
[10:45] <popey> not fixed minecraft tho :(
[10:53] <HazRPG> got an interesting question for ya, do you guys use OpenOffice or LibreOffice at the moment?
[10:53] <popey> libreoffice
[10:53] <HazRPG> o/
[10:54]  * HazRPG whispers: that was me high-fiving you
[10:54] <popey> ^5 is high five :)
[10:54] <Myrtti> meh
[10:54] <popey> o/ is "hi"
[10:54] <Myrtti> LaTeX all the way
[10:55] <HazRPG> popey: yeah I know
[10:55] <HazRPG> how bout o| for high-five then ^^
[10:56] <HazRPG> it just looks more high-fivey
[10:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ah HAAAAAA!!!
[10:57] <HazRPG> TheOpenSourcerer: Eureka?
[10:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-)
[10:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> OpenERP - MRP Scheduler.
[10:58] <HazRPG> popey: Q) is there any point putting both, English (United Kingdom) & English in an install of LibreOffice?
[10:59] <HazRPG> just notice by default it tries to put both
[11:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> HazRPG: IIRC in the OOo language pack, en_GB is sort of bundled in the main English pack along with some of the other English translations...
[11:00] <BigRedS> istr there being some hackery going on with the various Englishes, some being effectively diffs against a 'main' one
[11:01] <BigRedS> so to get en_uk you need 'english' and the 'diff' to make it into UK, for en_us you just then need to add the 'diff' to get en_us out of the same 'english'
[11:01] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: its separate in lo
[11:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh OK.
[11:01] <popey> you install the base, then add in tha lang pack
[11:01] <HazRPG> oh
[11:01] <popey> well, thats what I had to do last night on osx
[11:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> That's better IMHO
[11:02] <popey> yeah
[11:02] <lazarus_> morning
[11:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> Less baggage the better
[11:02] <HazRPG> so wait, you saying I should take out the English (UK) on install... and then download the language pack for UK?
[11:03]  * HazRPG confused
[11:12] <popey> uh, in libreoffice if i click "get more templates online" it goes to openoffice.org
[11:13] <HazRPG> popey: yeah cos it still uses the same base really
[11:13] <HazRPG> they'll eventually transfer everything over, just give em chance
[11:14] <HazRPG> I mean they only just left OpenOffice lol
[11:14] <popey> I am well aware of the history
[11:14] <HazRPG> I didn't say you didn't :P
[11:14] <popey> http://www.libreoffice.org/features/templates/ exists
[11:15] <HazRPG> popey: yeah, but there aren't any templates there
[11:16] <HazRPG> in fact I think the idea is they'll be hosting them on the document foundation wiki
[11:16] <popey> yes, which is linked from that page
[11:17] <HazRPG> so it is
[11:17] <HazRPG> only a handful of templates on there though
[11:17] <popey> yup
[11:17] <HazRPG> might be worth pointing it out as a bug then?
[11:18] <popey> kinda why I mentioned it :)
[11:19] <davmor2> morning all
[11:19] <HazRPG> davmor2: o/
[11:21] <Silver_Fox_> Hello davmor2
[11:21] <HazRPG> popey: have you posted it? or shall I?
[11:21] <daubers> Morning
[11:21] <popey> I'll speak to the LO guys first
[11:22] <HazRPG> popey: ah you mean in #libreoffice?
[11:23] <HazRPG> oh wow, LibreOffice puts back the awesome document icons back in
[11:24] <HazRPG> why did Oracle feel the need to make them all the same colour :/
[11:27]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2
[11:28] <davmor2> czajkowski: You not feeling well again?
[11:29] <czajkowski> :p
[11:29] <davmor2> morning czajkowski
[11:38]  * Neoti|work thinks playing Magic: The gathering is going to turn in to Minecraft where i lost blocks of hours playing it...
[11:42] <shauno> now you're losing hours playing with blocks :)
[11:43] <directhex> lego!
[11:43] <directhex> Neoti|work, the real card game, or the online game?
[11:43] <Neoti|work> directhex : both lol
[11:45] <Neoti|work> tho last night the online game
[11:46] <czajkowski> feck I need to do my expenses :(
[12:04] <screen-x> every so often, my NTP server rejects all its peers and goes of to sulk in stratum 16, I setup a cron job to log what was happening: http://paste.ubuntu.com/558960/
[12:05] <screen-x> Any idea how to solve it.. stop running my main ntp server in a vm? add more upstream servers?
[12:09]  * screen-x wonders over to #ubuntu-server, apologies to those of you who are in both..
[12:10]  * BigRedS wonders if screen-x is actually wandering
[12:10] <BigRedS> :)
[12:10] <dwatkins> Windows has finally caught-up to Linux and allowed you to run a screensaver on the background: http://j.mp/icsyW3 also works with 9031.com's screensavers (i.e. the Lego one)
[12:10] <screen-x> BigRedS: that'd be the one :)
[12:12] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: Welcome to 1991 :)
[12:12] <dwatkins> precisely, MartijnVdS :)
[12:13] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: I ran glmatrix on the desktop of my Ubuntu machine a couple years ago, was nice
[12:13] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: I used to think running a winamp visualisation as a background was the coolest thing ever :p
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> I've run xplanet as a background
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> with ISS and Hubble projected onto it
[12:13] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: I did that, then moved the processing over to a server, oonce an hour, with clouds :D
[12:14] <dwatkins> also, I added various text to the image, such as a calendar
[12:15] <dwatkins> I should set it up again to automatically update my desktop background each hour on my work machine.
[12:16] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jamie Bennett] Linaro image downloads - http://www.linuxuk.org/2011/01/linaro-image-downloads/
[12:16] <screen-x> Is it rude to ask my question in here, then in #ubuntu-server, then in #ntp?
[12:18] <popey> not if you dont get an answer
[12:19] <screen-x> cool :)
[12:21] <screen-x> BigRedS: donkey.avi.co, brilliant :)
[12:24] <X3N> screen-x: clocks and VMs don't play nice
[12:24] <X3N> often
[12:31] <BigRedS> screen-x: Yeah, my hostnames are shrek-themed :)
[12:32] <HazRPG> BigRedS: haha interesting choice :P
[12:33] <HazRPG> mine at one point were names from Blizzard lores, then I switched to female names from One Tree Hill, and now I just use animals - mainly because I wanted my laptop to be called Penguin ^^,
[12:33] <BigRedS> My laptop's still called 'moses' from when they were biblical characters
[12:34] <popey> \o/ WOPR
[12:34] <BigRedS> but someone did object to getting an email from mailer-daemon@god and then I started helping out more at my synagogue and figured even more people were likely to
[12:35] <HazRPG> haha
[12:45] <cps> afternoon peeps :)
[12:47] <Silver_Fox_> o/
[12:47] <Silver_Fox_> How are you ?
[12:48] <HazRPG> popey: apparently it was a bug, but has been changed in the final release
[12:49] <HazRPG> popey: also it points to http://templates.libreoffice.org/ but that redirects back to the OpenOffice.org site for now since that's where all the templates are hosted
[12:49] <cps> Silver_Fox_, I'm alright :)
[12:50] <shauno> wow.  nothing hurts my head quite like running screen inside a screen session
[12:51] <dwatkins> shauno: try connecting to multiple remote systems, running nested screen sessions on each ;)
[12:52] <HazRPG> dwatkins: gets confusing sometimes doesn't it xD
[12:52] <dwatkins> This is how I used to regularly use my terminal, shauno - http://rowla.dyndns.org/images/screen-nested.png
[12:52] <shauno> that's not far off what I've got atm.  from within screen, I'm logged into two more hosts .. each of which is running screen
[12:53] <dwatkins> admittedly, I've gone back to another machine there, but I often had 3 or 4 levels of nesting
[12:54] <shauno> hah, funky screenshot.  glad I don't use status bars :)
[12:55] <dwatkins> It makes it easier to tell where you are, but you lose a line each time, of course.
[12:55]  * dwatkins notes that vmware workstation supports multiple named snapshots, but vmware server does not
[13:00] <screen-x> dwatkins: I've recently migrated from vmware server to kvm+libvirt, much less hassle..
[13:00] <dwatkins> I can well imagine, screen-x.
[13:06] <directhex> shauno, i ran qbasic in dos in windows in qbasic in windows in dos once
[13:06] <directhex> it ran out of ram :(
[13:08] <cps> directhex, wat
[13:08] <directhex> i wrote a DOS-like command prompt in qbasic
[13:09] <directhex> left it running when i went to the loo, forgot what i was looking at when i came back & assumed i'd quit windows for some reason. so started windows & qbasic to do more hacking
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> fail :)
[13:14] <cps> back in a minute
[13:18] <HoaxKey> Afternoon all, I ma having problem after problem today trying to sort out my backup system.
[13:19] <HoaxKey> having successfully installed Sbackup, I come to formatting my usb hard drive in order to use as a back. It is currently in fat 32 and sbackup gave me errors about files sizes too large (even when i limited them to 4GB))
[13:19] <HoaxKey> So i try to unmount UNTITLED 1 the usb hard disk and it doesnt do anything.
[13:21] <HoaxKey> i cannot format it because it doesnt know the mount point which is apparently the fault of having a space in the volume label. to fix this i need to unmount it, and so the circle of shite continues. Is anyone available to guide me through this I've been at it for hours with no luck.
[13:22] <daubers> HoaxKey: Can you pastebin the output of "mount" please?
[13:23] <HoaxKey> daubers, http://pastebin.com/g7Jeu7MX
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> try "umount /media/UNTITLED\ 1" (without the "" but with the \)
[13:23] <MartijnVdS> or try the disk utility in System -> Administration :)
[13:23] <daubers> or umount /dev/sdb2
[13:23] <daubers> You'll need to use sudo though
[13:24] <daubers> sudo umount /dev/sdb2
[13:24] <HoaxKey> i get no error when using sudo umount /dev/sdb2
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> HoaxKey: then it's now unmounted :)
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> congratulations
[13:25] <directhex> no error means no problem
[13:25] <HoaxKey> but the drive is still lsited under the "Places" menu
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> HoaxKey: sure, because it's still connected
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> HoaxKey: look at the Disk Utility in System -> Administration
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> HoaxKey: it should tell The Truth®
[13:25] <HoaxKey> it is lsited in disk utility
[13:26] <HoaxKey> also in gparted
[13:26] <MartijnVdS> HoaxKey: sure it's listed.. that's because the disk is physically in the system
[13:26] <daubers> HoaxKey: Look at the mount command again, if you've not reopened it in places it should be unmounted
[13:26] <MartijnVdS> HoaxKey: click on it in disk utility to unmount/remount/format/partition/etc.
[13:27] <HoaxKey> it appears not to be listed  by mount
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> then it's not mounted
[13:28] <daubers> HoaxKey: Then the disk is not mounted :)
[13:29] <HoaxKey> When i try to alter the label via disk utility apply is greyed out
[13:29] <HoaxKey> also the disk seems to have 2 partitions a msall 20mb one and a large 500gb one
[13:41] <directhex> HoaxKey, sometimes usb disks have a nice useful small partition with windows-only crap on it. it may even be read-only
[13:51] <popey> gord: how long after hitting the maximise button on a terminal does it go full screen?
[13:51] <gord> popey, instantly?
[13:51] <popey> hmm
[13:51] <popey> 1-5 seconds here
[13:52] <popey> is it a know issue that the close button for an app maximised on screen 2 are on screen 1?
[13:52] <Gringo> guys quick question whats the exact command to get winrar? i keep getting couldnt get package
[13:52] <popey> there is no winrar for linux
[13:52] <gord> yeah
[13:52] <popey> its unrar
[13:52] <popey> sudo apt-get install unrar
[13:53] <Gringo> oh its unrar? i was typing winrar
[13:53] <popey> win <- windows
[13:55] <Gringo> thanx guys
[13:55] <directhex> ._.
[13:55] <jpds> popey: so: fail ← faildows ?
[13:55] <popey> also
[13:56] <popey> double clicking titlebar maximises a window, but double clicking again doesn't unmaximise
[13:56] <davmor2> jpds: No that would be faild'ohs
[14:00] <markjones> Shwma' pawb (Hello All)
[14:02] <jpds> markjones: Привет.
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> jpds: privet!
[14:05] <popey> http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/news/a300488/sky-confirms-the-cloud-acquisition.html
[14:05] <popey> *shudder*
[14:06] <JamesPage> :q!
[14:07] <JamesPage> (oops wrong window!)
[14:07] <jpds> JamesPage: It was a fitting smiley.
[14:10] <danfish> that Sky must be stopped I tells ye - first they by the cloud, next it'll be the wind and rain and we'll all be doomed! Actually they can have the rain
[14:10] <danfish> s/by/buy
[14:11] <daubers> I quite like the rain
[14:11] <Myrtti> latests news on the Deepwater Horizon accident is that apparently one of the causes for it was the Windows NT4 that had crashed to BSOD and couldn't do the alarms
[14:13] <popey> gord, 5 seconds to take a gnome terminal full screen :(
[14:14] <czajkowski> Myrtti: how is your shoulder/neck this week ?
[14:15] <Myrtti> it's back to normal, so atleast life hasn't played me a total screwball
[14:16] <Pendulum> Myrtti: glad it's feeling better
[14:16] <czajkowski> Myrtti: glad to hear it
[14:17]  * danfish throws a snowball at czajkowski :D
[14:17]  * davmor2 awaits to hear the ambulance sirens as czajkowski beats danfish to within an inch of his life
[14:18] <gord> popey, we fixed the unmaximise by double clicking, in todays release. maybe give these things a go again when the new packages are built?
[14:19] <MartijnVdS>  /me wonders how those things break
[14:19] <MartijnVdS> they're quite.. central..
[14:19]  * MartijnVdS has "make test" to prevent breakage like that ;)
[14:19] <danfish> davmor2: nah - she's too far away.....come again she's not
[14:20]  * danfish calls own ambulance and waits patiently
[14:20]  * davmor2 hears the distant siren and assumes czajkowski work is done :)
[14:20]  * czajkowski peers at danfish  whats with the boldness
[14:20] <czajkowski> danfish: clearly davmor2 is rubbing off on you!
[14:21] <MartijnVdS> .. eww
[14:21]  * AlanBell wonders if czajkowski is going to make it to the opensourceexpo?
[14:21] <czajkowski> andylockran: I am
[14:21] <czajkowski> coming up wed and thurs
[14:21] <czajkowski> and going to font thingy on thursday
[14:21] <czajkowski> and friday head to fosdem
[14:21] <czajkowski> next week is a bit of a mad week
[14:22] <davmor2> czajkowski: Wash you keyboard out with soapy water this instant
[14:23] <MonsterKiller> how does one see max disk space / used disk space on ubuntu server?
[14:23] <BigRedS> MonsterKiller: df
[14:23] <BigRedS> df -h to have it in human-friendly units
[14:23] <MonsterKiller> thanks
[14:23]  * danfish stops being ill at the thought rubbing again davmor2 (no offence davmor2) and looks forwards to opensourceexpo
[14:27] <danfish> czajkowski: my weekend starts today, hence the boldness:)
[14:27] <popey> gord cool
[14:30] <czajkowski> danfish: jammy
[14:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks for the RT czajkowski. Seen this one too? http://www.osor.eu/news/ch-public-spending-cuts-for-cantons-using-or-migrating-to-free-software
[14:32] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer:  np
[14:33] <danfish> czajkowski: I'm being all romantic and taking my beloved away for a weekend :)
[14:33] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: did you tweet that recently ?
[14:33] <czajkowski> was gonna rt it
[14:33] <czajkowski> danfish: awww no rugby on then I take it :p
[14:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> czajkowski: 45m ago https://twitter.com/opensourcerer/statuses/30623055386509312
[14:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> I am *mightily* looking forward to our rugby geek-up :-D
[14:35] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: :D
[14:36] <danfish> I'm sure it will be a great event. I for one am still booked on a conference about STD's :<
[14:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> ZOMG! Bug 160311 is apparently *finally* fixed. (In Natty). A backport anyone?
[14:37] <czajkowski> danfish: surely you all there is to know
[14:37] <czajkowski> danfish: and it was the pub you suggesed, make someone else go !
[14:39] <gord> TheOpenSourcerer, did you not read the bug? "working grip backported to gtk2 already avaiulable in ppa"
[14:40] <danfish> czajkowski: I'll tell you what, you tweet me the score, and I'll tweet pics of the slideshow I'll have to endure!
[14:40] <gord> i'v had that fix running on maverick/natty for a looong time
[14:42] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, which bug is that?
[14:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> gord: No - I just read my email.
[14:42] <gord> directhex, the one he mentioned and the one that lubotu3 verbosed?
[14:43] <gord> what is it with people not reading today? :(
[14:43] <directhex> oh. i just started using alt-middleclick to resize windows...
[14:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's the one where you can't grab the edge of a window and resize because they are only 1px wide. Try that on a high res window.
[14:48]  * Laney uses a tiling WM. no resizing here!
[14:49]  * Laney neckbeards off into the sunset
[14:49]  * Azelphur hugs compiz
[14:49] <czajkowski> danfish: hardly seems very fair at all
[15:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmmm - snowing in Farnham...
[15:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not much mind...
[15:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> Got to sow my seed this weekend too.
[15:03] <dwatkins> I moved to Edinburgh expescint lots of snow and now it's all happening near where I used to live, TheOpenSourcerer ')
[15:05] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: chili's ?
[15:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D
[15:06]  * TheOpenSourcerer installs http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/01/ubuntu-countdown-widget-for-android-released/ on his phone
[15:09] <cps> back in a minute peeps
[15:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> danfish: I have: Bulgarian Carrot, Bangalore Torpedo, Naga Jolokia, Carribean Red Hot, Demon Red, Portugal, Cayenne, Thai Mound, Hot Jalapeno, Dorset Naga, Fatalii, Aji Crystal, Lemon Drop, Goat Horn & The Black Naga.
[15:12]  * cps` returns
[15:12] <Laney> OMG THE CPS
[15:12]  * Laney RUNS
[15:13] <cps> Laney: calm down! I ain't a monster!
[15:14] <Pendulum> TheOpenSourcerer: now I want something with hot chilis in it
[15:14] <davmor2> Pendulum: Chocolate?
[15:14]  * cps laughs
[15:15] <dwatkins> http://uksnowmap.com/ shows more snow in the last few minutes
[15:15] <dwatkins> it's coming towards me!
[15:15] <Pendulum> davmor2: don't have any of that either :(
[15:17] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: have you a bumper load of medicated toilet roll arriving as well? :P
[15:17] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: that's one heck of a selection - looks great :)
[15:18] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: only got Jalapenos and Pinnochio's Nose this year
[15:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> I am going to have to restrict my sowing somewhat. Not sure what to leave out yet.
[15:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> Will probably only grow 6 varieties.
[15:19] <bigcalm> Mix them up randomly
[15:21] <danfish> TheOpenSourcerer: alternatively grow them all to small size and flog the ones you don't want at a farmer's market or whatnot?
[15:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> By the time you've paid for the pots, compost etc. there really isn't enough to make it worthwhile.
[15:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> I do give a few to mates etc.
[15:24] <hamitron> popey: you alive?
[15:26] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: what did you use for the ftp mount problem in the end?
[15:26] <andylockran> lftp :)
[15:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> blimey - thanks andylockran that was quick.
[15:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: yes lftp.
[15:26] <andylockran> no problemo.. just happened to be paying attention
[15:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: A snippet of the script: http://paste.ubuntu.com/556533/
[15:30] <popey> hamitron: ya
[15:33] <hamitron> I started a forest fire and was worried
[15:33] <hamitron> was heading to someones house
[15:34] <hamitron> ;)
[15:37] <popey> haha
[15:37] <popey> good job we have a backup :)
[15:37] <hamitron> yeh
[15:38] <hamitron> it is ok I think
[15:42] <screen-x> What's the current state of flash on 64bit?
[15:42] <BigRedS> works for me
[15:43] <screen-x> good :)
[15:43] <davmor2> screen-x: works here has done for a while, but then I install flashfox which seems to fix it :)
[15:44] <screen-x> davmor2: ok, just got new workstation, and going to install 64bit on it :)
[16:00] <KrisDouglas> Hello, I have a clonezilla dump of my ubuntu install, it is split into 9 parts
[16:01] <KrisDouglas> .gz.aa, .ab etc..
[16:01] <KrisDouglas> is there a way to merge them
[16:01] <KrisDouglas> cat doesn't work
[16:02] <bigcalm> popey and all minecraft geeks: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/2680-Minecraft :D
[16:04] <Laney> all i have done so far is explore a huuuuuuuuge cave
[16:04] <Laney> and make some water flow into some lava
[16:05] <Laney> mmm obsidian
[16:05] <directhex> i fear my wife getting minecraft
[16:05] <directhex> it would likely end a marriage already strained by farmville
[16:07] <Laney> you could craft your dream house together!
[16:07] <DJones> directhex: Don't you have to "think" for minecraft? I'd have thought that Farmville users & Minecraft users were at opposite ends of the spectrum
[16:08] <directhex> DJones, not really. only the forced socialization differs.
[16:10] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[16:12] <pr0ph3t> I have a problem with cairo dock, after about 15 minutes it sttarted, cairo dock starts using just over 70% of my RAM, how can I find out what the problem is? I wouldn't want to delete the configs as it took me a while to do it
[16:12] <popey> :) bigcalm
[16:13] <popey> bigcalm: i started a new bridge from the big house
[16:13] <popey> bigcalm: also implemented a daily backup :)
[16:13] <bigcalm> popey: aha, so this map is a keeper?
[16:13] <popey> i think so
[16:14] <popey> got a nice backup script which does online backups of the map
[16:14] <directhex> pr0ph3t, back up your config, and bisect
[16:14] <Laney> popey: how do you do the screenshots?
[16:14] <Laney> got a link to script?
[16:15] <popey> F3
[16:15] <popey> iirc, maybe f2
[16:16] <directhex> alt-f4
[16:16] <popey> :)
[16:16] <Laney> that's how you automate it?
[16:16] <pr0ph3t> directhex thanks, bisect? Is that something like deleting configs until I find what is causing the problem?
[16:17] <popey> Laney: automate what?
[16:17] <Laney> the screenshots
[16:17] <Laney> didn't you have a page with them?
[16:17] <popey> Laney: i am not automating screenshots, I'm automating backups
[16:17] <popey> and maps
[16:17] <Laney> i swear i saw a huge image of a minecraft map the other day
[16:17] <Laney> hmm
[16:17] <Laney> was that manual?
[16:17] <popey> no, its automatic
[16:17] <popey> but its not screenshots
[16:17] <Laney> oh ok
[16:18] <popey> http://popeydc.dyndns.org/maps/ and http://popeydc.dyndns.org/gmaps/
[16:18] <directhex> pr0ph3t, yes, basically. try halfway between "known good" and "buggered". if it's still buggered, try halfway from there to "known good" - otherwise if it's fixed halfway, go halfway from there back towards buggered. eventually you find the 1 breaking change
[16:18] <Laney> got source?
[16:19] <directhex> google mapscraft? cute
[16:19] <directhex> popey, so if i understand correctly, you're expanding the borders of the known universe nightly on your server?
[16:19] <popey> yeah, they're in git, one is called mcmap the other is called minecraft-overviewer
[16:19] <popey> directhex: not always,
[16:20] <popey> a lot of time is spent toiling underground or within the 'known world'
[16:20] <AlanBell> o/ Daviey
[16:20] <directhex> popey, i meant all the map generation you speak of
[16:21] <popey> the map generation is just based on what has been explored in the game
[16:21] <popey> the in game world generates on the fly as you reach the edge
[16:21] <popey> first person to hit the edge, generates the next chunk
[16:22] <Laney> I want images of my underground lair too :(
[16:22] <popey> yeah, some have options for that too
[16:26] <gord> i have not physically seen another person on popey's minecraft server yet ;) i know they exist, they sometimes say "hi", but its like living in a world where ghosts just randomly talk to you
[16:27] <popey> heh
[16:27] <popey> we're quite well spread out
[16:28] <screen-x> If I kill and restart do-release-upgrade, will it resume the download, or restart it?
[16:28] <davmor2> gord: you mean like this life?
[16:28] <popey> screen-x: resume
[16:28] <screen-x> \o/
[16:28] <gord> i'm not! i never stray from the spawn because you never see people if you do ;)
[16:30] <gord> course i did stray once to make an epic mountain house... http://gordallott.com/img/Screenshot-6.png
[16:31] <hamitron> snow!
[16:31] <hamitron> :D
[16:32] <popey> how did you get that map in the top right?
[16:32] <hamitron> how did you get the map? ;)
[16:32] <gord> it came with a mod that adds ambient occulsion
[16:33] <popey> ambient who?
[16:33] <BigRedS> I never quite got round to making houses: http://avi.co/stuff/lancasters.png http://avi.co/stuff/destroyer.png
[16:33] <gord> http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?t=55700 - makes minecraft look way prettier
[16:42] <popey> Laney: you're welcome to jump on the popey server :)
[16:42] <popey> (everyone is)
[16:42] <daubers> popey: What're you using to make the maps?
[16:42] <BigRedS> where is the popey server? The work server appears to have died of neglect :(
[16:43] <popey> popeydc.dyndns.org
[16:43] <popey> daubers: mcmap and minecraft-overviewer
[16:43] <directhex> wake me when minecraft has bump mapping
[16:43] <Laney> cool, may well do
[16:43] <popey> I dont know what bump mapping is so its clearly not required
[16:44] <directhex> popey, an amazing new graphical effect used to make quake 3 ultra-realistic
[16:52] <gord> directhex, actually that's tangent space normal mapping ;)
[16:53]  * directhex slaps gord with carmack's reverse
[16:54] <gord> you can't, the creative labs guys own the patent on that!
[16:56] <popey> bigcalm: kids home
[16:57] <bigcalm> popey: enjoy kid time :)
[17:02] <Myrtti> ihihii, I've found two monster spawner caves and found sulfur and yarn there
[17:02] <Myrtti> can't get them otherwise with peaceful
[17:04]  * daubers waits for his server tests to finish so he can slap a second 5690 in it and start them again
[17:04] <bigcalm> You should turn dungeons into mob grinders :D
[17:06] <Myrtti> er, right.
[17:07] <gord> before monsters were in multiplayer, i had to do all kinds of crazy things to get what i needed. would have to look for hours and hours for a spider spawner. then fight all the spiders off, no small feet. light up the spawner so they wouldn't spawn then make a trap out of it to get string from them
[17:11] <Myrtti> is using Minutor cheating? or is it just intelligent planning?
[17:11] <dutchie> gord: what did you do with that much string?
[17:12] <gord> Myrtti, generally depends, if you use it to find things then yeah, your not exploring. using it to find materials doubly so, but to find your way home after getting lost or just to look at your world, thats fine
[17:13] <Myrtti> aww.
[17:13] <Myrtti> oh well
[17:16] <gord> Myrtti, if you want to "cheat" go ahead, but it'll prolly make the game less fun in the long run
[17:16] <Myrtti> I just urgently needed iron to finish off a project :-/
[17:17] <Myrtti> after finding the caves though minutor became a bit useless because I found all I needed
[17:18] <gord> you could strip mine, thats what i do when i need minerals
[17:19] <gord> get yourself down underground, somewhere from level 12-16 or so. dig out a line, move two spaces across and dig another line so that basically you can see every block in the area, keep doing that
[17:19] <gord> you'll find so much iron and diamond and everything else you won't know what to do with it
[17:20]  * daubers decided to try and mine a long tunnel from one edge of the map to the other.... then realised the map is more or less infinite in that plane :(
[17:29] <Laney> how long did you spend before realising?
[17:41] <daubers> Laney: It takes 2 game days to walk from one end to the other :()
[17:41] <daubers> :)
[17:42]  * daubers heads home
[17:50] <popey> I have never heard of Minutor Myrtti
[18:00] <X3N> !version
[18:01] <X3N> ah yes -a
[18:01] <bigcalm> http://twitpic.com/3twdv8
[18:31] <bigcalm> Humm
[18:37] <AlanBell> evening all
[18:58] <bigcalm> Morning
[19:33] <danfish> grrr - virgin cable down "You will currently be experiencing Loss of all services" <-- website but no 'why?'
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> danfish: lots of companies don't explain "why", while "why" would be the most useful thing :)
[19:34] <BigRedS> Is 'why' ueful that often? I don't think I've ever minded particularly what it is that whoever has broken
[19:35] <BigRedS> I mean, it's interesting, sure, but that can wait until they've finished unbreaking it
[19:40] <danfish> ooh - they've update the status to 'will be fixed by 22:23'. That's incredibly precise!
[19:44] <AlanBell> they are educating their customers on the difference between "precise" and "accurate"
[19:48] <danfish> AlanBell: very true. Ho hum. The android-usb tether option at least is a backup and works with ubuntu seemlessly :)
[19:49] <moreati> evening danfish
[19:51] <danfish> lo moreati
[19:51] <danfish> I'm on a technically 'no tethering allowed' mobile phone contract - my question is "how can they tell if you are tethering?"
[19:52] <czajkowski> evening
[19:53] <moreati> danfish: in theory deep packet inspeciton, plus analysis of headers like user-agent or simply port matching (e.g. he has traffic on port X the only software that uses that port is for PC)
[19:53] <danfish> wotcha czajkowski
[19:54] <moreati> I highly doubt any networks actually do it - more likely just he's used 25 GB this month, that's probably tethering
[19:54] <danfish> moreati: so in theory, if I tunnel everything over ssh etc they can't tell?
[19:54] <czajkowski> danfish: still enjoying the weekend so far
[19:55] <moreati> danfish: they couldn't prove anything, but it would make it likely - possibly evedence enough in a civil court case
[19:56] <danfish> czajkowski: yup :) wine opened, kids in bed, and leaving in the morning :)
[19:56] <czajkowski> danfish: it's only 8
[19:56] <czajkowski> wow
[19:56] <czajkowski> good going
[19:57] <moreati> danfish: Didn't know you had kids (assuming I haven't confused with someone else)
[19:58] <danfish> czajkowski: bribery did enter into bedtime discussions tonight I'm afraid
[19:58] <danfish> moreati: yup - 2 boys under 4
[19:59] <moreati> danfish: In that my apologies, I've confused you for someone else
[19:59] <danfish> moreati: np
[19:59] <czajkowski> danfish: we used to always be in bed by 7:20  we would hear corrie start
[20:00] <czajkowski> was like that till we were 11 maybe 12
[20:02] <danfish> czajkowski: tbh, the Corrie music still drives me out of the room ;)
[20:02] <Azelphur> http://threestore.three.co.uk/DealSummary.aspx?tariffid=2507&offerCode=24TXT5D057&id=1183 thinking of getting my mum on this, any comments?
[20:03] <Azelphur> she currently pays £10/mo contract anyway, this is £15 (£3 monthly discount so £12?) and has a nice free android phone and more minutes/texts and internet :o
[20:03] <popey> dont be cheap, get her an iphone :)
[20:04] <Azelphur> except, I actually like my mum :D
[20:04] <danfish> Azelphur: hah - but will she actually use mobile internet?
[20:05] <nucc1> erm, does anybody know this website? www.legalsounds.com ?
[20:05] <Azelphur> danfish: probably not, the main things I can see her using are the GPS, MP3 playback, she hates phone keyboards (so much so she refuses to text message) so the on screen keyboard will be good, free skype is something she'd also use
[20:05] <Azelphur> also the ability to read her email on the move, as she gets her work schedule via email
[20:06] <Azelphur> and she always grumbles that she needs more minutes
[20:06] <Azelphur> so for £2 extra a month, not bad I figure
[20:06] <AlanBell> meeting in an hourish
[20:06] <HazRPG> Man, I'm really stumped... I can't seem to find a way to get RSS feeds in chrome to pass it over to Juice
[20:06] <Oli``> Anybody know how to get get_iplayer to play live BBC2?
[20:06] <AlanBell> popey hates . . oh I can't be bothered, just get the iPhone
[20:06] <Azelphur> haha
[20:07] <HazRPG> juice can recognise "podcast://", etc... and will open up Juice... but is there no real extension that'll send the URL properly for Juice to pick it up?
[20:08] <HazRPG> The google RSS extension seems to send the URL using %20, etc... and just causes more work - anyone have any ideas?
[20:08] <Azelphur> HazRPG: could do what I do with steam:// urls, I just have the browser launch a bash script and handle it how I want it.
[20:10] <HazRPG> oh
[20:10] <HazRPG> interesting
[20:10] <HazRPG> thanks Azelphur :)
[20:11] <Azelphur> danfish: hehe, it's cheap because samsung don't bother to update it
[20:11] <Azelphur> but I don't care, I root and flash all my phones on day one anyway :D
[20:11] <danfish> :)
[20:12] <HazRPG> :)
[20:12] <Azelphur> android 1.5, samsung herd u lieked it.
[20:39] <HazRPG> Azelphur: heh, did a better way... I just changed an existing extension that handled "feed://" requests and changed it to "podcast://" instead... bout to test it... obviously I had to do a bit of other changes otherwise the code wouldn't run properly too but that was the main gist of it
[20:41] <HazRPG> holy crap, that actually worked xD
[20:43] <HazRPG> I have the urge to post this up onto the google extension site... but I'm not sure if they'll accept this or not :/
[21:01]  * AlanBell tickles popey
[21:11] <AlanBell> meeting starting now in #ubuntu-uk-meeting
[21:12] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeamMeetingAgenda
[21:15]  * DJones points TheOpenSourcerer at uk-meeting
[21:15]  * TheOpenSourcerer has already joined
[21:18] <jacobw> chow
[21:19] <DJones> jacobw: Multitask, eating & meeting
[21:21] <jacobw> nom
[21:22] <jacobw> i'm watching the programme that was on the iplayer last night about public schools and politics in this country
[21:22] <MartijnVdS> hmm politics
[21:22] <MartijnVdS> good idea.. time for sleep
[21:23] <jacobw> :)
[21:23] <jacobw> i hate the way people think that priviledge makes them superior

[21:26] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: from my "outside" viewpoint, the British "class" system is weird as well :)
[21:26] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: it's not there officially, but it's there.
[21:31] <jacobw> i must admit, i've not experienced a great deal of it in my life, but to see the effect it still has on our government is fustrating
[21:42] <jacobw> even more fustrating is how no one believed me when i said that nick clegg was so similar to david cameron before the election
[22:16] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ralph Janke] February 2011 Ubuntu Hour in Waterloo Region, Ontario, Canada - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/february-2011-ubuntu-hour-waterloo-region-ontario-canada
[22:19] <zleap> hi
[22:24] <AlanBell> who is Ralph Janke?
[22:25] <devush> hi zleap
[22:26] <DJones> AlanBell: Is it txwikinger?
[22:26] <zleap> hi
[22:26] <AlanBell> ah
[22:27] <brobostigon> evening all.
[22:27] <zleap> how do i get control back from virtual box
[22:27] <AlanBell> right control zleap
[22:27] <zleap> thanks
[22:28] <zleap> i copied a windows xp cd to a flash drive can i install it from a flash drive
[22:28] <devush> how you transfered the disk.
[22:28] <devush> just copied? zleap
[22:28] <zleap> yeah
[22:28] <devush> well. not really
[22:29] <zleap> ok
[22:29] <devush> you need to make the iso image.
[22:29] <devush> you are on which system.
[22:29] <zleap> how do i do that
[22:29]  * AlanBell hopes this isn't going in a dubious direction
[22:29] <zleap> Ubuntu
[22:29] <devush> as your host
[22:29] <devush> ok.
[22:29] <zleap> yeah running linux on a netbook and want to install xp onto virtual box
[22:30] <devush> i think brasero disk burner can make the iso from the disk. you can try zleap. let me check on my syste
[22:30] <zleap> k
[22:30] <devush> you do not have the CD/DVD on the system where you are installing. i assume on netbook you do not have CD etc. correct
[22:31] <zleap> devush, yeah
[22:31] <zleap> i have a desktip with a cd drive in
[22:31] <zleap> deskto
[22:31] <devush> if you start the brasero. then at the bottom there is an option to burn the image from teh cd/dvd.
[22:32] <zleap> ook
[22:32] <devush> zleap. you should try to burn the image. once you have the iso image. you can put it in the flash drive etc.
[22:32] <devush> and in the virtual box give the iso file.
[22:32] <zleap> ok
[22:33] <devush> i never tried virtual box. but did this in vmware hundreds of times. it should work. unless some body corrects me
[22:33] <devush> so what you on netbook currently?
[22:33] <zleap> ubuntu on both computers
[22:34] <devush> ok. i see you have linux and want xp on the top.
[22:34] <zleap> yeah
[22:34] <devush> fine. it should work. try it.
[22:34] <zleap> as virtual box ose does not support usbm,  but on netbook it should support the netbook webcam
[22:34] <devush> if it is xp CD, it should make a image iso of around 600 MB.
[22:35] <devush> zleap. not idea on that size.
[22:35] <zleap> well not sure how else to do it
[22:35] <devush> i am also currently running ubuntu in vmware player on the top of XP>
[22:35] <zleap> unless i buy virtual box
[22:36] <devush> but soon i will transfer the ubuntu VM to the MAC.
[22:36] <devush> well you can run the vmware player. which is also free.
[22:36] <devush> it works fine.
[22:36] <zleap> ok
[22:37] <devush> but if you can bring the virtual box to work, then you have probably better system. i have never used the virtualbox. have used Vmware over 10 years now!.
[22:37] <zleap> can't find that option in brassero but here is how to do that on a command line http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-creating-cd-rom-iso-image.html
[22:37] <devush> well yes. you should be able to do it.
[22:39] <devush> zleap. you can see the option here on this link
[22:39] <devush> http://www.raymond.cc/blog/archives/2008/08/10/how-to-test-and-boot-an-iso-image-without-burning-to-cd-or-dvd/
[22:39] <devush> you just point your iso file on your flash. or better copy it to the linux first for the speed. good luck
[22:39] <zleap> thanks
[22:41] <zleap> well it's doing something
[22:42] <kieko> hi, dvd is not playing on laptop, help? I using sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[22:42] <devush> for the test purposes. you can always download the iso file of some small OS, like puppy-linux or anything and try it with virtualbox.
[22:44] <zleap> ok
[22:44] <zleap> i have installed xp before so i know it works
[22:44] <zleap> just before i had a cdrom drive to point to
[22:45] <zleap> ok copying now
[22:45] <devush> ok. fine. i mean time iso file is corrupted. in that sense. !
[22:45] <zleap> ok if there is a problem will try with a different iso
[22:45] <zleap> i have 10.10 somewhere
[22:46] <devush> ya. that is a good way. with ubuntu.
[22:46] <zleap> i need a bigger flash drive
[22:46] <zleap> 2gb is ok but it runs out of space to quickly
[22:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone use a USB Turntable to rip vinyl on Ubuntu recently?
[22:48] <dutchie> TheOpenSourcerer: that sounds like the sort of thing MartijnVdS might do
[22:48] <HazRPG> stupid thing :/ won't let me upload my extension to the google chrome site :/
[22:48] <zleap> yay xp boot / set up screen thingy
[22:49] <HazRPG> the one time I decide that something I've made might be useful to others, and it won't even let me upload it :/
[22:50] <dutchie> HazRPG: what does it do?
[22:50] <HazRPG> its a podcast extension (or RSS feed extension)
[22:51] <dutchie> cool
[22:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> lsusb sees the turntable but I can't hear any music when I play a record. Audacity remains silent.
[22:52] <dutchie> does it show up in sound inputs?
[22:52] <HazRPG> dutchie: basically adds features to the existing RSS extension that google have pumped out, but with a some tweaks to allow it to parse the URL to add things like "podcast://", "feed://", "pcast://" and a few other common URL types that applications usually register
[22:52] <devush> zleap. it looks like it is working.
[22:53] <zleap> yeah
[22:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> I see a PCM2900 Audio Codec which I think is it.
[22:53] <zleap> i am an idiot though rebooted and told it to boot from cd again
[22:53] <zleap> duh
[22:53] <devush> never mind
[22:53] <zleap> ok its installing properly now
[22:53] <zleap> this was xp rebooting as part of install
[22:54] <HazRPG> so that when your on a webpage with some RSS on it, you can view the contents in a webpage, and then at the top pick if you want to open it up in an application, etc
[22:54] <zleap> man i am not used to things doing that
[22:54] <HazRPG> works pretty well I'd say
[22:54] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: you want to see it as a device rather than a codec
[22:54] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: what is the line in lsusb?
[22:54] <zleap> hmm this could be the quickes xp install on record
[22:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> Bus 004 Device 002: ID 08bb:2900 Texas Instruments Japan PCM2900 Audio Codec
[22:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> I think.
[22:54] <AlanBell> wierd!
[22:54] <devush> zleap: sure. as CD is generally very slow.
[22:55] <zleap> yeah
[22:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> Maybe I need to check my cabling in the daylight... ;-)
[22:55] <zleap> and this is going from iso,  which i guess is from hard disk
[22:55] <devush> zleap: you should probably got faster netbook also.
[22:55] <AlanBell> that is probably it
[22:55] <zleap> well duron 1600 vs atom at same speed
[22:55] <HazRPG> even modified the usual RSS icon that we all know, to have a lemon in the bottom corner for the Open Source podcast receiver Juice.
[22:55] <zleap> or similar speed but as atoms are er faster anyway as they are newer
[22:56] <devush> zleap: yes iso from HDD is fater. i think around 70 MB/s or so. not sure.
[22:56] <zleap> ok
[22:56] <HazRPG> oh well, just an extension that shall never see the light of day I guess lol
[22:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> The Sound Prefs refer to it as PCM2900 Audio Codec Analog stereo. There's a translation bug there... Should say Analogue.
[22:56] <zleap> well i can run a few xp programs hopefully which will be a good thing
[22:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyway - am bored now. Going to bed,
[22:57] <zleap> k
[22:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> nn all.
[22:57] <devush> i need the XP for the DVDFlick or something like that. which basically allows you to create DVD from any random media files. even to menu etc.
[22:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oooh - lots of errors in syslog:
[22:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> Jan 27 22:36:00 lobsang pulseaudio[1895]: alsa-source.c: Error opening PCM device hw:1: Device or resource busy
[22:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> Jan 27 22:35:31 lobsang kernel: [ 4936.388992] 2:2:3: endpoint lacks sample rate attribute bit, cannot set.
[23:01] <kieko> I installed mplayer and some mplayer skins but the player is not there ?
[23:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> Bug 644708 :-(
[23:02] <zleap> devush, sounds good
[23:03] <devush> zleap: nice to hear that!
[23:03] <zleap> someone at the rugby club wanted a way to make a dvd from the files off a video camera
[23:04] <devush> zleap: last time when i tried to make the iso image of my XP CD. i had problem, but never tried it on ubuntu. i know all these dd=if etc. commands
[23:04] <zleap> the one i posted worked fine
[23:04] <zleap> just had tro use mtab to figure out where the cdrom disk was
[23:04] <zleap> /dev/sr0 here
[23:04] <devush> go to the XP optimize site. they have link to the DVD program. search it on google - XP Optimize
[23:04] <zleap> then tell it to creatre it in a more useful place
[23:05] <zleap> ok
[23:05] <zleap> yeah may do that, as i don't really need a lot of the stuff that comes with xp
[23:05] <zleap> on a more on topic note what do you think of unity
[23:05] <devush> may be we should try to runs the XP software on the wine directly on ubuntu.
[23:05] <zleap> ?
[23:05] <zleap> some of it works on wine
[23:06] <devush> ok. my last try of wine was at least 7-8 years ago.
[23:06] <zleap> i have got the crossover package from when it was free download for a while,   that worked nicely
[23:06] <devush> things are changed now.
[23:06] <zleap> well i think i got star wars working with it
[23:06] <zleap> sometimes its probably easier to simply use a virtual machine it depends what you want to do i guess
[23:07] <devush> is anybody using the tmux?
[23:07] <zleap> nope
[23:09] <zleap> 9 mins to go
[23:12] <zleap> lol windows xp includes the most secure version of internet explorer to date,  note to self install firefox
[23:13] <devush> stats could be different from the reality.
[23:13] <zleap> well this was ie 6 iirc
[23:14] <devush> could be true given the criteria of testing it.
[23:14] <devush> you should ask basically under which condition etc.
[23:14] <zleap> didn't they do a securirty test between apple, linux and windows 7 and linux won
[23:15] <maco> zleap: you're thinking of teh Pwn2Own competition
[23:15] <maco> apple loses every time
[23:15] <devush> well all these things are manipulated.
[23:15] <zleap> yeah
[23:15] <devush> zleap.do you have programming background
[23:15] <zleap> not much
[23:15] <zleap> done stuff in basic
[23:15] <maco> but the stuff that takes them down tends to be like... Flash
[23:15] <zleap> well flash does tend to be rather insecure
[23:16]  * zleap cranks handle while xp loads
[23:16]  * brobostigon gets zleap some wd45
[23:17] <devush> zleap: tiobe provides the top language index. i read lots of stories how they manipulate to put one or the other languages top in the list.
[23:17] <zleap> wd45 or wd40
[23:17] <brobostigon> zleap: wd40, :p
[23:18] <zleap> zzzzzzzzzzzz
[23:18] <brobostigon> damn, joke failiure, :(
[23:18] <zleap> naa its windows taking ages to log in
[23:18] <brobostigon> :(
[23:18]  * zleap is used to linux type password, hit enter and go
[23:20] <zleap> hmm so far so good i am in
[23:22] <zleap> hmm pressed wrong button and shut it down was meant to switch from full screen mode
[23:23] <zleap> hi kristjan
[23:23] <kristjan> hello


[14:28] <caribou> I know it is a dramatically noob's question but I keep forgetting : symptom of a memory leak is seen as an increase in VSZ or RSS ?
[14:30] <apw> rss is just how much is curently in ram, it can come and go
[14:32] <caribou> apw: so vsz would grow if there was some kind of pointer leakage
[14:36] <apw> caribou, yeah you'd expect it to in all likelyhood
[14:37] <caribou> apw: good, thanks!
[14:58] <jsalisbury> **
[14:58] <jsalisbury> ** Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[14:58] <jsalisbury> **
[15:21] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: hi
[16:55] <jsalisbury> ##
[16:55] <jsalisbury> ## Kernel team meeting in 5 minutes
[16:55] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:04] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: a fast questio
[17:04] <cristian_c> question
[17:04] <jsalisbury> cristian_c, hi, sure
[17:05] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: thanks, you have asmed me two questions about bug
[17:06] <cristian_c> jsalisbury: now, has the regression revert to be reported upstream?
[17:07] <jsalisbury> cristian_c, we may want to.  I need to do a little more investigation to see what changed in the code to cause the regression
[17:08] <cristian_c> ok
[17:09] <jsalisbury> cristian_c, I'll do some digging today or tomorrow
[17:09] <cristian_c> ok
[17:09] <cristian_c> thanks
[17:09] <jsalisbury> cristian_c, np


[02:02] <erichammond> trifon: You can always ask questions.  I may or may not answer :)
[02:03] <trifon> erichammond: :)
[02:04] <trifon> my question is about ubuntu and EC2
[02:05] <trifon> as far as i understand at this moment EC2 images with Ubuntu allows users to get offical suport from Canonical
[02:19] <erichammond> trifon: I've seen stuff on Canonical's site that says you can pay them for support, yes.
[02:20] <trifon> erichammond: ok. thank's for the reposonse.
[02:20] <trifon> i was with the impression that you have worked together with Canonical on this.
[02:48] <erichammond> trifon: I supported Canonical in the development of the official Ubuntu AMIs.
[02:49] <erichammond> I occasionally provide direct support to companies who are using Ubuntu on EC2, but it is not under the auspices of Canonical.
[02:49] <erichammond> I'm not familiar with Canonical's commercial support services except for what I've read on their web site.
[02:49] <trifon> erichammond: ok. i see. thank's for the repsonses
[02:50] <trifon> erichammond: i have asked as i'm developer of open source ERP application. ADempiere.
[02:51] <trifon> and i want to create AMI with ADempiere on official Ubunut suported image
[02:51] <trifon> but i think that i should contact Canonical if i want to make this official.
[02:52] <erichammond> trifon: You want Canonical to support your AMI?
[02:53] <trifon> erichammond: i just want to make my AMI be officaly suported.
[02:53] <trifon> i mean users of ERP usualy want to be sure that in case of issue there will be someone to suport them.
[02:54] <erichammond> trifon: I doubt any company is going to officially support an AMI that they do not build themselves.
[02:54] <trifon> so i will need suport for the OS. I preffer Ubuntu so far.
[02:54] <trifon> erichammond: right.
[02:54] <trifon> which means that both companies must participate in the build proces.
[02:55] <erichammond> Canonical does support "Ubuntu" officially, so if the problems relate to Ubuntu, then I imagine Canonical will support that aspect of it no matter who's AMI it's running.
[02:55] <erichammond> Does Canonical currently support ADempiere outside of EC2 at this point?
[02:55] <trifon> not.
[02:56] <trifon> ADempiere even do not have ubunut package now :(
[02:56] <erichammond> I see.
[02:56] <trifon> i'm not sure if Canonical can suport any ERP system.
[02:57] <trifon> i mean ERP suport usuly is done by ERP vendor.
[18:43] <trifon> hello everyone
[18:44] <trifon> i'm trying to login into Fedora Instance AMI: ami-0a48637e
[18:44] <trifon> this AMI is mentioned in the ec2ubuntu-build-ami script
[18:44] <trifon> what is the user?
[18:44] <trifon> i'm trying with root.
[21:05] <develop> i m new to ec2 . Is there a way to extend a public 64 bit ubuntu ami : add python packages .... need to have 100 instances running the same python application
[22:11] <trifon> develop: sure you can add any package you need.
[22:12] <erichammond> trifon: You may want to review the tutorial in Amazon's Getting Started Guide: http://ec2gsg.notlong.com
[22:13] <trifon> erichammond: hello and thank you!
[22:13] <develop> thnks
[22:13] <erichammond> develop: What AMI id are you using?
[22:14] <develop> none yet was thinking of ami-00866b69
[22:15] <develop> just need a 64 bit ubuntu add python and libs + svn and rebundle
[22:16] <erichammond> develop: I don't recommend using images from the "testing" bucket.
[22:16] <erichammond> Those are built automatically and have not been tested.
[22:16] <develop> which one would you recommend?
[22:16] <erichammond> ...unless you're volunteering to do the testing, I suppose.
[22:17] <erichammond> Any reason you don't want to use Karmic (the latest Ubuntu release)?
[22:17] <develop> no
[22:18] <erichammond> Then I'd recommend using the latest published Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic.  I list the AMI ids in the second table on http://alestic.com
[22:19] <erichammond> Now back to your original question.
[22:19] <erichammond> If all you want to do is install a few software packages, then it's not necessary to rebundle and create your own AMI.
[22:20] <develop> so the ami's must be ebs?
[22:20] <erichammond> You can configure the Ubuntu AMIs on first boot with a user-data script as described here: http://alestic.com/2009/06/ec2-user-data-scripts
[22:20] <develop> so i can start and stop
[22:20] <develop> k
[22:20] <erichammond> Then, when Canonical publishes an updated Karmic AMI, you can simply switch the AMI id you are using, keep the same user-data script, and you're off and running again without having to go through the painful AMI bundling and testing process.
[22:22] <erichammond> If you want to be able to stop/start, EBS boot AMIs are also fine.
[22:22] <develop> just need a stop /start ami for the main worker having a db2 instance
[22:23] <erichammond> Canonical does not yet publish EBS boot AMIs (bug 492048)
[22:23] <erichammond> On Monday, I will be publishing an article on how to build EBS boot AMIs using Ubuntu vmbuilder.
[22:24] <trifon> erichammond: sounds interesting.
[22:24] <trifon> i use KVM on my office servers.
[22:24] <trifon> and vmbuilder of course :)
[22:24] <erichammond> Drop me a note if you are willing to test the instructions and provide feedback: http://anvilon.com/contact
[22:24] <trifon> erichammond: sure. count me in.
[22:26] <erichammond> That said, I don't believe in putting your database and other application data on the EBS boot volume.
[22:26] <erichammond> I like keeping the operating system and software on separate volumes from the data as each has a different lifecycle.
[22:27] <erichammond> It's a bit more complicated to set things up this way, but I like the flexibility.
[22:27] <trifon> snet message.
[22:56] <trifon> erichammond: one really stupid question :(
[22:56] <trifon> #   --user ID             - Defaults to $AWS_USER_ID
[22:56] <trifon> #   --access-key ID       - Defaults to $AWS_ACCESS_KEY_ID
[22:56] <trifon> #   --secret-key ID       - Defaults to $AWS_SECRET_ACCESS_KEY_ID
[22:56] <trifon> how to get value of this environment variables?
[22:58] <erichammond> trifon: http://alestic.com/2009/11/ec2-credentials
[22:58] <trifon> thank's i have seen this article but didn't payid attentions so far.
[22:59] <erichammond> The topic will keep coming back to haunt you.
[23:02] <develop> seems like i can only login as ubuntu to ami-ab15f6c2
[23:28] <trifon> erichammond: i have read the article. very good article!
[23:29] <trifon> develop: on ubuntu you can't login with root by default.
[23:29] <trifon> Ubuntu MAIs are coming with ubuntu user.
[23:38] <develop> root pwd is
[23:43] <trifon> develop: this is the trick... no root pass.
[23:43] <trifon> password login is disabled.
[23:43] <trifon> you must connect with: ssh -i key-pair ubuntu@ip
[23:49] <develop> go it thnks
[23:56] <erichammond> develop: http://alestic.com/2009/04/ubuntu-ec2-sudo-ssh-rsync


[08:13] <tsimonq2> 3 am hack, https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-sdk/installing-the-sdk/ refers to Wily as the development release
[08:13] <tsimonq2> not a wiki so I can't easily update
[08:19] <nik90> jdstrand, I took the liberty of updating permy to the latest sdk, https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/permy/update-permy-1.3/+merge/290000
[08:19] <nik90> jdstrand, I believe setting it up for translation shouldn't be too difficult either. I will see if I can fix that as well.
[08:45] <davidcalle> tsimonq2: nice catch. /me fixes
[08:50] <tsimonq2> davidcalle: thanks :)
[08:50] <tsimonq2> davidcalle: yay for using apt instead of apt-get :D
[09:30] <timp> jamiey: hello
[09:31] <timp> jamiey: can you have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1393485 comment 10?
[09:32] <timp> jamiey: there may be some confusion whether to disable ("grey out") or hide actions in the header that are not available
[09:35] <ahayzen> timp, o/ in answer to your question last night, we tried todo enabled=false with rc-proposed a few images back and it didn't work... that's why we had to use visible=false and i was wondering if disabled is going to be supported?
[09:36] <timp> ahayzen: while I was checking that the icon opacity was correctly updated for the header, I noticed that it was already fixed with the new palette
[09:36] <timp> that's the current rc-proposed image I think
[09:36] <timp> ahayzen: so maybe it got fixed recently
[09:36] <ahayzen> ok so maybe we should test again :-)
[09:36] <timp> ahayzen: and, as I commented on the bug, it seems not the best idea to change the opacity in the Icon
[09:37] <timp> ahayzen: because if the components that use Icon also set the opacity, that is multiplied with the icon opacity and that makes it almost invisible in some cases
[09:37] <ahayzen> just dim it? Qt.darker() ?
[09:38] <ahayzen> anyway i'm sure you've come up with the best solution :-) I'll tell Victor we should try reverting that change :-)
[09:38] <timp> ahayzen: no, components should just use the palette properly now
[09:38] <timp> ahayzen: for example, the icon buttons for the header have this:
[09:38] <timp>     property color foregroundColor: styledItem.enabled
[09:38] <timp>                                     ? theme.palette.normal.backgroundText
[09:38] <timp>                                     : theme.palette.disabled.backgroundText
[09:38] <ahayzen> ah cool :-) we need to migrate from our horrible styling setup to the new palette now :-)
[09:39] <timp> zsombi is working on making the palette selection automatic so that we can instead use something like foregroundColor: autoPalette.backgroundText
[09:39] <ahayzen> ooo nice
[09:43] <timp> ahayzen: in case you didn't see this, zsombi published this yesterday which is a good read when you start using the new palette https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/tutorials/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-palette/
[09:44] <ahayzen> timp, yeah i saw that and the 'roadmap to uitk 2.0' ... exciting times :-D
[09:44] <timp> busy times :)
[09:44] <ahayzen> hehe :-)
[10:43] <zsombi> ahayzen: but we expect you to join that ;)
[10:44] <ahayzen> :-)
[14:04] <jdstrand> nik90: thanks! I'll take a look when I have a bit of time (possibly the weekend)
[14:36] <nik90> zsombi, hey, I'm having trouble deciding which elements are part of "background" and "foreground".
[14:36] <nik90> if I have a standard label, is that the foreground or background?
[14:36] <nik90> I am presuming, if I had a listview, then the listitem labels are in the foreground...while a generic label{} inside a Page{} is still in the background?
[14:37] <nik90> faenil ^^
[14:43] <faenil> mmm
[14:44] <nik90> The distinction between overlay and the other layers are perfectly clear.
[14:44] <nik90> but background and foreground is a bit difficult
[14:45] <faenil> it's not clear to myself either
[14:46] <faenil> but I asked a designer to join :)
[14:46] <nik90> :)
[15:01] <faenil> nik90: in a meeting, it will take a while :)
[15:01] <nik90> faenil, np..just continuing with my work. pls ping if you're talking to them.
[15:01] <faenil> nik90: but if I were you, I'd leave a comment to the post as well, so other people can get the reply as well :)
[15:01] <nik90> Ok
[15:25] <raeshambrook> nik90: ping
[15:27] <nik90> raeshambrook, pong
[15:29] <nik90> raeshambrook, I had a question about the background and foreground layers mentioned in the SDK palette blog post. It is a bit difficult to distinguish the uses cases of the two.
[15:29] <nik90> How do you decide which elements are part of the background or foreground layer?
[15:33] <nik90> timp, Hey, does the page section headers follow the palette? I would expect them to be using theme.palette.selected.selectionText or theme.palette.selected.selection color. But changing either of them does not do anything.
[15:34] <nik90> timp, looking at https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/tutorials/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-palette/, only .selection has the blue color that I notice the page section headers using.
[15:37] <timp> nik90: the SectionsStyle is using:
[15:38] <timp> theme.palette.selected.backgroundTertiaryText
[15:38] <nik90> timp, Do you know where to use  theme.palette.selected.selectionText ?
[15:38] <nik90> this is very confusing
[15:38] <timp> nik90: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/15487927/
[15:39] <timp> hmm
[15:39] <timp> so it is using backgroundTertiaryText
[15:39] <nik90> I mean I understand the use of backgroundText there...but then what's the use of selectionText if we already have a selected mode?
[15:39] <nik90> aren't they redundant?
[15:39] <timp> let me see if I can find the specifications for that
[15:40] <timp> nik90: good question
[15:41] <timp> nik90: where did you see selectionText?
[15:41] <timp> it is backgroundTertiaryText
[15:41] <nik90> timp, in the blog post at https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/tutorials/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-palette/
[15:42] <nik90> timp, I section a section called "Selected" in which the palette values listed are "selection" and "selectionText"
[15:43] <nik90> which imo contradicts with the theme.palette.selected mode.
[15:43] <timp> nik90: you think we could have called it theme.palette.selected.text instead?
[15:44] <timp> hmm
[15:44] <faenil> timp: he's asking the reason for selected.selectedText and selected.backgroundText etc I believe
[15:44] <faenil> raeshambrook: ^
[15:44] <faenil> (I'm not even sure they both exist, I guess they do)
[15:44] <nik90> faenil, yup, spot on :)
[15:45] <nik90> well its selected.selectionText and selected.backgroundText that confuses me
[15:45] <faenil> yeah
[15:45] <timp> faenil: yes they both exist
[15:46] <timp> you could have theme.palette.backgroundText too
[15:46] <nik90> when I noticed the page section headers, I understand they're using some part of the selected mode since they're blue by default. But couldn't figure if they used selected.backgroundText or selected.selectionText.
[15:46] <nik90> really?
[15:46] <nik90> I thought you needed to specify whether it is normal, disabled, selected or highlighted?
[15:46] <faenil> timp: without any set specified?
[15:46] <timp> so, https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/tutorials/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-palette/ says "These are the colors applied to components that have selected content. This should not be confused with the entire component’s selected state. For example text in an editable text field." for Selection
[15:48] <timp> faenil: err.. I meant theme.palette.normal.backgroundText, and theme.palette.normal.selectedText
[15:48] <faenil> ah ok
[15:49] <timp> so I guess you can have selected text anywhere, even in an non-selected component
[15:49] <nik90> but that isn't logical though using selected text in a non-selected component
[15:49] <timp> or, in a selected textfield you have both foregroundText and selectedText
[15:49] <timp> nik90: maybe not, but in the selected component you can have both
[15:49] <nik90> yeah I suppose so
[15:50] <timp> I don't know if there is a use case for selected text in an unselected component
[15:51] <nik90> ok so timp, coming back to the page sections, since they are selected & also part of a selected cdomponent, shouldn't they be using theme.palette.selected.selection? instead of theme.palette.selected.backgroundTertiaryText?
[15:51] <nik90> I mean why even Tertiary in the first place?
[15:51] <timp> but you need selectedText and foregroundText for the selected textfield
[15:51] <nik90>  Why not secondary or just plain backgroundText
[15:52] <nik90> timp, I am only referring to the page head section which do not have textfield...the one that accepts models and show labels.
[15:52] <timp> I don't know
[15:52] <timp> we need to ask raeshambrook / jaimey / zsombi
[15:53] <timp> nik90: Page.head.sections is deprecated by the way, use something like header: PageHeader { extension: Sections { } } now
[15:53] <timp> nik90: but your questions about the colors are still valid
[15:53] <nik90> because the current scenario will force app devs to look into the SectionsStyle.qml file to figure out what its using rather than thinking logical to assign them.
[15:53] <nik90> timp, I'm using PageHeader { extension: Sections {}}
[15:53] <nik90> I have transitioned all apps to that :)
[15:53] <nik90> all apps that I contribute to*
[15:54] <timp> great :)
[15:54] <timp> I wasn't sure because you called it the page head sections :)
[15:54] <nik90> ah yes...my bad
[15:59] <ahayzen> timp, hang on PageHeader { extension: Sections {}} ? not ... PageHeader { sections.model: [...] } ?
[15:59] <ahayzen> should i not be using that?
[15:59] <timp> right, it seems like the backgroundTertiaryText is only used in the SectionsStyle
[15:59]  * ahayzen wonders if that is causing a bug he is stuck on
[16:00] <timp> ahayzen: that sections property is also deprecated. It uses Sections internally, but we replaced it by the more flexible extension property which can contain any Item
[16:01] <ahayzen> timp, ok, so i should use the  extension: Sections {} ?
[16:01] <timp> ahayzen: it is better if you switch to extension: Sections { model: ... }, but if you have a bug that probably won't be fixed.
[16:01] <timp> yes
[16:01] <ahayzen> ok
[16:01] <ahayzen> my bug is a bit weird, when i change section... the header sometimes disappears, i think it is related to the flickable property also changing at the same time
[16:01] <ahayzen> still investigating
[16:02] <timp> ahayzen: there is an example here https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04.1/Ubuntu.Components.PageHeader/
[16:02] <ahayzen> timp, there isn't a header.show() method anymore ? that i could use ?
[16:02] <timp> ahayzen: you can say header.exposed = true
[16:03] <ahayzen> timp, ok thanks, i'll have a play when i get a moment, see if i can figure out what is going on
[16:03] <ahayzen> it is the last thing stopping our convergence landing :-/
[16:03] <timp> oh, looking forward to see the results :)
[16:03] <ahayzen> haha
[16:03] <timp> let me know if you get stuck with this bug
[16:04] <ahayzen> yeah it'll probably be next week that i get back onto it unfortunately, we'll see
[16:04] <ahayzen> thanks :-)
[16:05] <timp> changing contentY of the header's flickable might hide the header (in the same way the header hides when you scroll the flickable contents)
[16:07] <nik90> timp, hey if you still have the page open, can you paste the url to the style? I am having trouble finding it.
[16:08] <timp> nik90: which style?
[16:09] <nik90> timp, the SectionStyle.qml
[16:09] <nik90> that we were discussing above
[16:09] <nik90> I looked under http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/files/head:/src/Ubuntu/Components/Styles/ but couldn't find it
[16:10] <timp> that's a file on my harddisk ;)
[16:10] <nik90> ah :P
[16:10] <timp> right, we didn't expose the API in styles yet
[16:10] <nik90> so I look at the theme's selected palette values.
[16:10] <timp> nik90: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/staging/view/head:/src/Ubuntu/Components/Themes/Ambiance/1.3/SectionsStyle.qml
[16:11] <nik90> ah yes..that's it..thnx
[16:11] <timp> so it is only in the theme, not in the Style. That means the API is not guaranteed to be stable.
[16:14]  * nik90 cries :/
[16:14] <nik90> I don't want to be overriding the page section style on every page..I just want to override the palette color and get over it.
[16:16] <timp> nik90: what do you want to accomplish? Different colors for the sections?
[16:16] <nik90> timp, yes..I want the section colors to be green to match podbird's color palette.
[16:16] <nik90> I don't want blue
[16:17] <nik90> and right now I'm overriding the style by StyleHints { selectedSectionColor: podbird.appTheme.focusText }
[16:17] <nik90> which isn't ideal since I need to do it in every page that has page sections.
[16:17] <timp> nik90: so that would be backgroundTertiaryText
[16:17] <timp> selected.backgroundTertiaryText
[16:18] <nik90> timp, I know it now after looking at the docs. But you just said it is not set in stone, so a potential UITK update could break podbird.
[16:19] <timp> ah. The API for the SectionsStyle is not set in stone, right. That means it is not 100% guaranteed that the sections style will have a selectedSectionColor
[16:20] <timp> but I think the reason we don't have it yet is that I didn't have time yet to add the SectionsStyle to Styles/
[16:20] <nik90> well more like in the future you could change that selected.backgroundTertiaryText and then boom podbird reverts backs to using the blue color.
[16:21] <nik90> but I understand. I think for now, I will be in the safe side, and use hardcoded colors.
[16:21] <timp> right
[16:22] <timp> I don't think we'll just start changing the colors used in the styles, but the new palette landed only recently so maybe we will discover issues with it that makes us change it
[16:23] <nik90> indeed
[16:47] <timp> nik90: are you still enjoying the Netherlands? :)
[16:49] <nik90> timp, yeah..tbh weather is not bad...no strong winds or constant rain...can't complain :P
[16:50] <timp> nik90: oh that's not too bad. I escaped because of the wind and rain ;)
[16:50] <timp> but I'll pass by the country for a few weeks in May :)
[16:50] <nik90> haha...yeah you said so.
[16:51] <nik90> I'm going back to India hopefully by end of april..not sure yet.
[16:52] <timp> I have never been to India. The closest I have been is probably Thailand or Malaysia
[16:53] <timp> I remember in Malaysia (Penang) they had awesome Indian food :)
[16:53] <timp> that was when I discovered that vegetarian food doesn't have to be disgusting ;)
[16:53] <timp> ok disgusting is the wrong word. But the Indian food was the first vegetarian food that I really liked.
[17:00] <timp> nik90: you go back for holidays or to live?
[17:10] <nik90> timp, to live :) ..hopefully I can build a app developer community there
[17:17] <nik90> timp, yeah you can truly be happy being vegetarian in India...too many varieties.:)
[17:43] <jamiey> timp you still around?
[17:43] <timp> jamiey: hi
[17:44] <jamiey> timp Hey! – Just checking that the comment on that bug was resolved?
[17:44] <timp> jamiey: do you have the link to the bug?
[17:44] <jamiey> timp https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ux/+bug/1393485
[17:44] <jamiey> timp it was the bit about hiding / disabled actions in the header
[17:45] <jamiey> timp comment 10
[17:45] <jamiey> timp :-)
[17:45] <timp> jamiey: right. Something else came up, nik90 was asking why we have a backgroundTertiaryText for the sections
[17:46] <jamiey> timp instead of what? (Sorry, not sure what the question is?)
[17:46] <timp> jamiey: about the hiding/disabling actions in the header, that is not something to fix in the UITK, because both are possible. As I understood from ahayzen, apps should hide inactive actions, but he thought it would be more clear in his case to only disable them
[17:47] <jamiey> timp cool, I thought so
[17:47] <jamiey> timp about the bug
[17:48] <jamiey> timp nik90 Can I check what the question was about "backgroundTertiaryText"?
[17:49] <nik90> jamiey, sure...let me explain that.
[17:49] <timp> jamiey: I'm reading back myself now
 timp, Hey, does the page section headers follow the palette? I would expect them to be using theme.palette.selected.selectionText or theme.palette.selected.selection color. But changing either of them does not do anything.
[17:49] <timp> ah, better if nik90 asks since he is here now :)
[17:49] <jamiey> nik90 cool, thanks :-)
[17:49] <jamiey> timp :-)
[17:50] <nik90> jamiey, I see that we have a selected set which provides way to set the color selected components. For the page sections, I would expect the color to be set as theme.palette.selected.selectionText
[17:50] <nik90> but instead it is implemented as theme.palette.selected.backgroundTertiaryText which is not logical for app devs.
[17:50] <jamiey> nik90 okay, I think I understand :-)
[17:50] <nik90> I mean why tertiary in the first place? Why not just use backgroundText or selectionText
[17:52] <nik90> jamiey, also, it gets confusing when you do theme.palette.selected.selection...isn't it a bit redundant? When I use selected, it is already implemented I am going to only target selected components. I don't get the need for selection and selectionText there.
[17:52] <nik90> something like theme.palette.selected.backgroundText should suffice.
[17:52] <jamiey> nik90 So we introduced 'secondary' and 'tertiary' into the palette to allow us a hierarchy of colours for the text. So that all the text isn't simply the black. It's a lighter grey.
[17:53] <nik90> maybe I'm missing to see a use case
[17:53] <nik90> s/missing/failing
[17:53] <jamiey> nik90 the "selected.selectionText" and "selected.selection" are used for when a user 'selects' some text (highlights it before cutting / copying etc)
[17:54] <nik90> that's why I thought..and makes sense. But in the page section, there is *only* 1 label..so there defining its color as tertiary is a bit strange.
[17:54] <jamiey> nik90 that's the usage at the moment anyway. Interesting to hear it doesn't really make sense to you. I'll check in with Zsombi on this
[17:54] <jamiey> nik90 I see what you mean
[17:55] <jamiey> nik90 let me speak to zsombi about this, maybe file a bug? (did you already?)
[17:55] <nik90> jamiey, I haven't filed a bug yet..I will do so now.
[17:55] <nik90> I only talked to timp and rae about this.
[17:56] <jamiey> nik90 cool, I get where you're coming from. If you file a bug we'll look at it :-)
[17:56] <nik90> jamiey, awesome. thnx
[17:57] <jamiey> nik90 np. Have a good holiday! :-)
[17:57] <nik90> :)
[17:57] <timp> nik90: keep in mind that the palette is "global", for the whole app. So even if the section has only one label, if the color has to be different from other labels, it needs a separate entry in the palette
[17:58] <nik90> timp, understandable which is why I acknowledged the need for secondary and tertiary variables. But I don't see the need for it to be used in page sections color definition.
[17:58] <nik90> timp, infact I did use secondary and tertiary for the listitemlayout where you have 3 potential labels.
[17:59] <timp> nik90: right. But you don't have a special palette for the sections only, so if it uses the same color as the tertiary in listitemlayout, you use the tertiary color from the palette
[18:01] <nik90> timp, true..it is getting difficult..but I was just explaining it from app devs perspective.
[18:03] <timp> nik90: if you use backgroundText, the sections would use the same color as the title in the header
[18:03] <nik90> timp, no they won't ...or rather they shouldnt since the header should be using theme.palette.normal.backgroundText rather than theme.palette.selected.backgroundText.
[18:03] <timp> but report the bug anyway, we can have a look at how to explain it better
[18:05] <timp> nik90: the sections use normal.backgroundTertiaryText for the unselected sections, and selected.backgroundTertiaryText for the selected section
[18:05] <nik90> I did notice that and I think that's wrong imo :P
[18:05] <nik90> hmm actually what you're saying is starting too make sense.
[18:06] <nik90> you're using tertiary to differentiate between the main header text and the section header text
[18:06] <timp> nik90: I had the same confusion at first, but now that I'm reading the code and trying to answer your questions I start to understand it myself :)
[18:06] <nik90> but app devs can't be expected to think like that.
[18:07] <timp> the palette is for the whole app,
[18:07] <timp> I think we can explain it better if there was a mockup of an app with all the components, showing all the colors in the mockup
[18:07] <timp> jamiey: didn't we have something like that?
[18:07] <nik90> yeah +1000
[18:07] <nik90> that might help app devs who want to override the default palette colours
[18:08] <timp> yes
[18:09] <nik90> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1561668
[18:10] <nik90> jamiey, ^^
[18:10] <jamiey> timp nik90 Thanks! (got it) ;-) I think an app mockup would be useful too, especially with all the different states / colour labeled…
[18:13] <timp> jamiey: I added ubuntu-ux to the bug, but you need to assign yourself to the bug in the project because I don't have rights to do that
[18:14] <timp> and I commented
[18:17] <jamiey> timp nik90 Got the bug, thanks guys! I'll get onto that visual… :-)
[18:17] <timp> I assigned the UITK part of the bug to myself.
[18:18] <nik90> jamiey, awesome!!!
[18:18] <timp> I think there is nothing to do from the UITK side, but I'll think more about it after easter
[18:18] <timp> and as long as the bug is in my list, I won't forget to bug jamiey about it ;)
[18:18] <nik90> timp: Just a tiny reminder that the field color is missing from the blog post. I believe field is used in textfield (told by rae).
[18:19] <timp> zsombi: ^
[18:19] <jamiey> timp har har ;-)
[18:19] <jamiey> timp probably my fault on that 'field' thing
[18:19] <jamiey> timp will need to add it in.
[18:19] <timp> okay
[18:19] <nik90> jamiey, timp: Enjoy your easter hols :)
[18:19] <timp> nik90: you too
[18:19] <timp> thanks
[18:19] <jamiey> nik90 thanks! you too :-)
[18:45] <Aliasbody> Hello everyone, I have a problem with my first ubuntu touch app, and I don't know if this is the right place to ask those questions. My qt app has c++, qml and js code, and it has multiple qrc for the images, the js, qml and other content. My app builds and runs on an Ubuntu Touch, but when I create the click application to make it to the ubuntu st
[18:45] <Aliasbody> ore the application only has 700kb (which is impossible since the whole application has at least 5mb), what is missing?
[18:49] <nik90> Aliasbody, WHy don't you open the click package and check what's missing?
[18:50] <nik90> Aliasbody, You can open the click using ArchiveManager
[18:50] <nik90> Elleo, hey, when does SingleDownload{} assign downloadId? When I call download() or only when the actual download starts
[18:51] <Aliasbody> @nik90 I see that the cpp and qrc files seems to be missing but I don't understand why. Why does the "run on device" copies everything to the mobile but the doesn't make it to the click file? What is sent to the mobile? Is it only the click or is it something else?
[18:52] <nik90> Aliasbody, run on device creates a click and then installs on the device.
[18:52] <nik90> How are you creating the click?
[18:52] <nik90> Aliasbody, Infact you should find the click package created by run_on_device in the build folder
[18:53] <Aliasbody> I'm creating the click by running the "Build and validate" from the Ubuntu SDK, that Click has the same size has the click file on the build-XXXX package from the release compiled version
[18:54] <nik90> ok, check if that clicks installs and runs on device as expected.
[18:54] <nik90> the cpp files are missing because a binary was built
[18:54] <nik90> after all its a c++ app
[18:54] <Aliasbody> I can only test on one device, I never managed to get the emulators running (neither the armhf or the i386, they simply don't load no mather what), so I can't be sure if everything is okay, the only way would be to fully format the phone and install the click file with the pkcon package.
[18:56] <nik90> Aliasbody, nah...if you install on device and then are able to run from the dash, you are set.
[18:57] <Aliasbody> nik90 So, if I uninstall the app, then install it again via pkcon with the built click from the publish (using --allow-untrusted) and it runs, it means that it will work everywhere?
[18:59] <nik90> Aliasbody, I would assume so since when you install a click package it basically overwrites the install directory.
[18:59] <nik90> if you're still unsure, you could ask others to test it for you in this channel.
[18:59] <Aliasbody> nik90 I mean, I've already published it on the store because I have to other way to test it, 5 people already download it but since I have no feedback I be sure. This is a borrowed Nexus 4 with Ubuntu Touch OTA 9.1 (build #28), and I only had a few hours to make it work on the Ubuntu Touch since the app is already made for Android and iOS.
[19:01] <nik90> Aliasbody, what's the app name? I can test right now
[19:01] <Aliasbody> nik90 Well maybe I'm only stressing about a non existing problem.
[19:01] <nik90> :)
[19:01] <Aliasbody> nik90 The app is called Heebo
[19:01] <Aliasbody> nik90 Thank you for taking your time to help
[19:03] <nik90> Aliasbody, works beautifully!
[19:03] <nik90> nice game
[19:05] <Aliasbody> nik90 Wonderful :) Thank you once again for everything, I feel stupid for being so stressed about something like that but since I don't own a Ubuntu Touch phone myself it was a "one-try" for this to be built for Ubuntu and published :) Once again thank you for everything
[19:05] <zsombi> nik90: timp: about the field color... the post was laying there for quite some time and Jamie thought we are not using that palette anymore... I'll fix it
[19:05] <nik90> Aliasbody, yw :) ..Congrats on your app..great first app for UT.
[19:05] <Aliasbody> nik90 Just one last question, I'm not in front of my Ubuntu machine right now but, any questions related with the emulator could be asked here or is there any specific chanel?
[19:06] <nik90> Aliasbody, this channel is for all app-development related questions..so yes you can ask about the emulator as well.
[19:07] <Aliasbody> nik90 Perfect then, tomorrow when I'm in front of my Ubuntu machine at the office I'll connect here again in order to try to solve my emulator problem. Once again, thank you for everything, have a rest of a nice day :)
[19:08] <nik90> Aliasbody, sure, although tomorrow is good friday..so activity might be low/non-existent.
[19:08] <nik90> Aliasbody, enjoy ur day as well
[19:09] <Aliasbody> You might be right :)
[19:09] <Aliasbody> Thank you
[19:11] <zsombi> nik90: so, is now everything OK with the palette values? :)
[19:12] <nik90> zsombi, it is a bit confusing to use..I have reported a bug about it. jaimie will create a visual to better explain it to app devs.
[19:12] <nik90> zsombi, without looking at the uitk code, it is difficult to know which palette value to override to customize a sdk component.
[19:13] <zsombi> nik90: as said, the next is to document components to reflect which palette values they use...
[19:13] <nik90> yes indeed