[00:09] <bdrung> fta: and?
[00:54] <BUGabundo>  /me rsync -avh -progress /home/BUGabundo /media/bed; rm -rf /home/BUGabundo
[01:14] <fta>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[01:14] <fta> 11039 fta       20   0  728m 324m  28m S   14 16.1 165:27.47 firefox-3.7
[01:14] <fta> [reed], ^^
[01:15] <fta> cumulative time is the worse, by far
[01:15] <fta> worst
[01:15] <fta> twice Xorg
[05:11] <[reed]> fta: hmm
[07:53] <_Tsk_> Morning
[08:09] <eagles0513875> morning
[09:31] <eagles0513875> asac:  was there an update released for bind wood?
[09:31] <eagles0513875> according to the updates that im seeing i noticed one for bindwood?
[09:31] <asac> you can see that in launchpad
[09:31] <asac> not sure
[09:32] <asac> statik: did you go through someone else with bindwood?
[09:32] <asac> was the ~ubuntu-dev branch properly updated?
[09:35] <eagles0513875> still same version and revision?
[09:35] <eagles0513875> from what i got from the branch it seems but what was updated?
[09:36] <asac> armin76: hey still there?
[09:36] <asac> armin76: did you get http://paste.ubuntu.com/276891/ with gcc 44 on sparc?
[09:36] <asac> eagles0513875: you can find that on launchpad
[09:36] <asac> kenvandine: did you sponsor bindwood?
[09:37] <eagles0513875> on the edge link where all the branches are
[09:37] <asac> kenvandine: can you please update the ~ubunu-dev branch. we rely on that very much
[09:37] <asac> eagles0513875: the branches are branches
[09:37] <asac> eagles0513875: the packages are packages
[09:37] <asac> someone can just upload package
[09:37] <asac> and not update branch
[09:37] <asac> what is what probably happen
[09:37] <eagles0513875> gotcha
[09:37] <eagles0513875> ok
[09:37] <asac> you can see the diff on the launchpad package
[09:37] <asac> page
[09:38] <eagles0513875> ok
[09:39] <eagles0513875> so asac just going to launchpad.net and seachfor bindwood
[09:40] <asac> you will figure
[09:40] <asac> search for the package
[09:40] <asac> in ubuntu project
[09:42] <eagles0513875> ok
[09:42] <eagles0513875> well i know that bind wood is working after i installed it yesterday which is good cuz its asking for password to unlock the keyring of bindwood
[09:45] <eagles0513875> im not finding anythign i found the first change that was done by elliot murphy which was the initial packaging of bindwood
[09:45] <asac> eagles0513875: the debdiff can be found on the launchad page
[09:45] <asac> you can see what changed below the upload versoin
[09:45] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bindwood
[09:50] <eagles0513875> well i might be using gnome for a lil while lol
[09:51] <eagles0513875> asac: seems like elliot murphy im guess whose the package maintainer uploaded it last thursday the version is the same and all
[09:56] <bdrung_> asac: i have setup a test enviroment for bug #422898 . so if you have time you can give me something to test
[09:57] <bdrung_> eagles0513875: i have added some missing extensions to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Karmic/ExtensionReview
[09:57] <bdrung_> they need a check
[09:57] <eagles0513875> kool i have a few things to finish on bind wood
[09:58] <eagles0513875> but today seems like the kde updates have broken kde so right now im installing gnome to be safwe
[09:58] <eagles0513875> safe
[09:59] <bdrung_> asac: i need only the xpath command, the rest i can do myself
[09:59] <asac> eagles0513875: not sure what your problem is ... if you did anything to bindwood its definitly not void now. dont bother about the update in the archive we can replay that afterwards
[10:00] <eagles0513875> ok asac im not bothers but other updates killed my kde desktop on my vm im installing gnome to be safe in case same thing happens on my duelboot
[10:02] <asac> k
[10:02] <asac> bdrung_: one second.
[10:04] <asac> ctxextension is definitly a different issue
[10:04] <asac> its not using RDF:resource=
[10:04] <asac> what extension was that?
[10:04] <asac> ah stumble...
[10:11] <asac> bdrung_: xpath -q -e '//em:targetApplication/@RDF:resource' install.rdf | sed -e 's/.*="\(.*\)"/\1/'
[10:11] <asac> gives you the list of resource references
[10:12] <eagles0513875> asac: bdrung just netsplitted
[10:12] <eagles0513875> asac: might be a few before they come back
[10:16] <asac> and i think TARGET_VERSION needs to be expanded by | //RDF:Description[rdf:about="$(4) or @rdf:about="$(4)]/em:$(2) | //RDF:Description[rdf:about="$(4) or @rdf:about="$(4)]/@em:$(2)
[10:18] <asac>  //RDF:Description[RDF:about="RDF:#$PB9V2" or @RDF:about="rdf:#$PB9V2"]/@em:maxVersion
[10:18] <asac> ok so append:
[10:19] <eagles0513875> asac you talking to me
[10:19] <asac> | //RDF:Description[RDF:about="$(4)" or @RDF:about="$(4)"]/@em:maxVersion
[10:19] <asac> no to bdrung
[10:19] <asac> but he is gone
[10:19] <eagles0513875> ya
[10:19] <eagles0513875> hehe
[10:19] <eagles0513875> never came back from the netsplit
[10:19] <asac> | //RDF:Description[RDF:about="$(4)" or @RDF:about="$(4)"]/em:maxVersion
[10:19] <asac> with 4 - rdf:about id
[10:20] <asac> tell him to ping me ;)
[10:21] <eagles0513875> ok hopefully he returns while im still around
[10:21] <eagles0513875> im tempted to go hunt down lunch
[10:24] <eagles0513875> wow Hi all.  It seems one of our sponsors has connectivity problems, causing around 6,000 users to disconnect.  We're investigating, sorry for the noise and thanks for using freenode!
[10:28] <asac> 11:11 < asac> bdrung_: xpath -q -e '//em:targetApplication/@RDF:resource' install.rdf | sed -e 's/.*="\(.*\)"/\1/'
[10:28] <asac> 11:11 < asac> gives you the list of resource references
[10:29] <asac> 11:18 < asac> ok so append:
[10:29] <asac> 11:19 < asac> | //RDF:Description[RDF:about="$(4)" or @RDF:about="$(4)"]/@em:maxVersion
[10:29] <asac> 11:19 < asac> | //RDF:Description[RDF:about="$(4)" or @RDF:about="$(4)"]/em:maxVersion
[10:29] <asac> with 4 being the resource ids from above
[10:36] <bdrung_> asac: append?
[10:37] <asac> bug 430576
[10:37] <asac> bdrung_: yes to VERSION call
[10:38] <asac> TARGET_VERSION
[10:38] <asac> of course only if a $(4) is new
[10:38] <asac> is set i mean
[10:38] <asac> if thats possible
[10:38] <asac> 11:29 < asac> 11:18 < asac> ok so append:
[10:38] <asac> 11:29 < asac> 11:19 < asac> | //RDF:Description[RDF:about="$(4)" or @RDF:about="$(4)"]/@em:maxVersion
[10:38] <asac> 11:29 < asac> 11:19 < asac> | //RDF:Description[RDF:about="$(4)" or @RDF:about="$(4)"]/em:maxVersion
[10:38] <asac> those are appeneded to TARGET_VERSION
[10:38] <asac> err replace maxVersion with $(2) i think
[10:39] <asac> the values for $(4) you get through xpath -q -e '//em:targetApplication/@RDF:resource' install.rdf | sed -e 's/.*="\(.*\)"/\1/'
[10:45] <asac> fta: the bot uploads wrong ubuntu revisions
[10:46] <asac> it needs to reset to ubuntu1 if the upstream version gets bumped
[10:46] <asac> for nm applet it uploaded -ubuntu2
[10:46] <asac> though the changelog was upstream version wise behind
[11:32] <armin76> asac: haven't tried on sparc for a long time, anyway it sigbuses and i haven't had the time nor the motivation to investigate it
[11:32] <armin76> asac: ><IP_ADDRESS> sigbuses as well
[11:33] <asac> armin76: 1.9.1?
[11:35] <armin76> asac: yes, <IP_ADDRESS> worked fine, and 1.9.1 always sigbused
[11:35] <armin76> apart from failing to compile due to solaris-only code
[11:36] <armin76> 1.9.1, that is
[11:37] <asac> armin76: yeah. we build with --disable-jit now
[11:37] <asac> but that alone even doesnt help
[11:40] <armin76> asac: i remember ncommander wanting to fix the sigbuses, ask him :)
[11:41] <armin76> i have a lot of stuff to do(130 bugs on ia64) + work gets me tired
[11:42] <asac> i am not demanding ;)
[11:42] <asac> just asking
[11:42] <asac> all fine ;)
[11:42] <armin76> i know :P
[11:44] <armin76> probably i should have done s/+ work/and my full-time job/
[11:45] <asac> burn out?
[11:45] <asac> go and getr holidays
[11:46] <asac> and get a new job if the burn out is because of boringness or constantly bogus managers etc ;=)
[11:47] <armin76> i already had holidays :P
[11:48] <armin76> in fact today its holydays here, thats why i'm answering you :D
[12:02] <bdrung_> asac: thanks. i had to update XPI_TARGET_EMIDs, too. the bug is now fixed
[12:09] <asac> bdrung_: rock. did it work?
[12:09] <asac> bdrung_: what about the other install.rdf ... i thin the ctxetensions looked normal to me
[12:10] <asac> or does that work ?
[12:10] <bdrung_> asac: it works with all extensions
[12:10] <bdrung_> (except pwdhash - but thats a bug in this package)
[12:12] <bdrung_> asac: does this catch all cases: echo $(MOZ_EXTENSION_PKG) | sed "s/^firefox-//;s/^mozilla-//;s/^thunderbird-//;s/^xul-ext-//"
[12:16] <asac> bdrung_: why would we need that?
[12:16] <asac> bdrung_: i think there can be more
[12:16] <asac> basically _all_ app names have been used as prefix ;)
[12:16] <bdrung_> :(
[12:17] <bdrung_> asac: i have to determine the base-name or can i simply take the source package name for that?
[12:18] <bdrung_> asac: i want to generate something like xpi:Provides=ctxextensions xul-ext-ctxextensions firefox-ctxextensions thunderbird-ctxextensions
[12:18] <bdrung_> asac: therefore i must know how this extension is called
[12:21] <asac> bdrung_: good question. i think on a best effort base thats ok
[12:21] <asac> those should be most issues
[12:22] <bdrung_> which?
[12:22] <asac> sorry mistyped
[12:22] <asac> those should cover most cases
[12:23] <asac> i think xul-ext- is only valid case
[12:23] <asac> the rest should spit out warnings
[12:23] <asac> or we should put something in lintian
[12:24] <bdrung_> asac: how about using the source package name (with an option to override it)?
[12:24] <bdrung_> this would make it backwards compatible
[12:27] <asac> yeah
[12:27] <asac> hmm
[12:27] <asac> why not binary name?
[12:28] <bdrung_> asac: because the binary has million prefixes
[12:28] <bdrung_> the source has at least mozilla- and firefox-
[12:28] <asac> well. but the idea is to use xul-ext- for the binary name
[12:29] <bdrung_> asac: yes
[12:29] <asac> imo the binary matches the extension name much better
[12:29] <asac> and hence it should be in the provides
[12:29] <bdrung_> but it should work in karmic, too
[12:29] <asac> why doesnt it work in karmic?
[12:30] <bdrung_> asac: because the packages has other prefixes than xul-ext- (in lucid we will rename all those extensions)
[12:30] <asac> bdrung_: yes. but for those we provide the option to override
[12:31] <bdrung_> ok
[12:31] <asac> i dont think we should try to workaround too hard
[12:31] <asac> i think your initial suggestion should be good enough
[12:31] <asac> with the ability to override
[12:32] <bdrung_> asac: ok, it's now: MOZ_EXT_NAME ?= $(shell echo $(MOZ_EXTENSION_PKG) | sed "s/^firefox-//;s/^mozilla-//;s/^xul-ext-//")
[12:32] <bdrung_> (overridable)
[12:32] <bdrung_> asac: or is thunderbird- often used?
[12:32] <asac> no
[12:32] <asac> i think one or two have that
[12:33] <asac> bdrung_: strip off iceweasel-
[12:33] <asac> too
[12:33] <bdrung_> k
[12:34] <asac> bdrung_: the RDF:Description doesnt match the about
[12:34] <asac> we need to do those two steps
[12:34] <asac> otherwise you end up picking the extension itself
[12:34] <asac> rather than targetApplications
[12:34] <bdrung_> asac: which ext?
[12:34] <asac> err the resource
[12:34] <asac> 11:38 < asac> 11:29 < asac> 11:19 < asac> | //RDF:Description[RDF:about="$(4)" or @RDF:about="$(4)"]/@em:maxVersion
[12:34] <asac> 11:38 < asac> 11:29 < asac> 11:19 < asac> | //RDF:Description[RDF:about="$(4)" or @RDF:about="$(4)"]/em:maxVersion
[12:35] <asac> 11:39 < asac> the values for $(4) you get through xpath -q -e '//em:targetApplication/@RDF:resource' install.rdf | sed -e 's/.*="\(.*\)"/\1/'
[12:35] <asac> also we need both cases (@em: and /em)
[12:35]  * asac confused
[12:35] <asac> checking agai
[12:36] <asac> oh you did it
[12:37] <asac> ok all find
[12:37] <asac> except that we need the /em:$(..) case too
[12:37] <asac> everything that is an attribute can always be a subelement
[12:37] <bdrung_> k, will add this
[12:37] <asac> /em:$(2)/text()
[12:38] <asac> like the first in the TARGET_VERSION
[12:45] <asac> bdrung_: you should be able to test that by moving the em:maxVersion=... to a subelement of the RDF:Description><em:maxVersion>...</...
[12:45] <asac> but i would think its safe given that we use the same pattern before that
[12:48]  * eagles0513875 is scared to interrupt asac and bdrug as they seem to be in the middle of rather detailed work
[12:49] <bdrung_> eagles0513875: my last name is not drug :D
[12:49] <bdrung_> eagles0513875: we are finished now
[12:50] <eagles0513875> whoops sry bdrung_ im multitasking trying to back up my .ssh folder but brasero on gnome doesnt wanna burn anything for me
[12:50] <eagles0513875> everything seems to be starting to break again on alpha 6
[12:50] <eagles0513875> kde is kaput todays kde updated packages broke the whole install as they are complaining about dependency issues
[12:51] <bdrung_> eagles0513875: s/kaput/kaputt/ ;)
[12:51] <eagles0513875> lol
[12:51] <eagles0513875> so im running on gnome for now
[12:52] <eagles0513875> hey guys can i get ur opinion that is somewhat related to mozilla stuff and other things
[12:53] <bdrung_> yes
[12:54] <eagles0513875> what would you guys think if i put forth a proposal for 10.04 that allows a user to choose which browser office suite and email client to use
[12:54] <eagles0513875> you guys think that is a good idea
[12:55] <bdrung_> eagles0513875: at installation time or when?
[12:56] <eagles0513875> installation time
[12:58] <bdrung_> hm, at most as option somewhere (like the popcon or grub installation). otherwise it would nag the user who loves the default
[12:58] <bdrung_> asac: pushed
[12:59] <bdrung_> asac: tested and ready for release
[13:01] <eagles0513875> i kinda got this idea after reading what the us supreme court is forcing msft to do for users they are now giving options to users of what browser to install by default besides ie
[13:01] <eagles0513875> so i was thinking why not do the same here
[13:01] <eagles0513875> what u mean by at most as option somewhere (like the popcon or grub installation). otherwise it would nag the user who loves the default
[13:01] <eagles0513875> and the defaults would be included in the list of options
[13:04] <asac> bdrung_: arent you in Dm-Uploaders?
[13:04] <asac> if so, just up to debian :)
[13:04] <bdrung_> eagles0513875: the installation only asks question which are really required. asking which browser to use, would add a not required question
[13:05] <eagles0513875> maybe so but in all honesty how many users use the default browser
[13:05] <eagles0513875> or the default office app
[13:05] <bdrung_> asac: yes, but DM-Upload-Allowed: Yes is not set in version 0.15
[13:05] <asac> hmm
[13:05] <bdrung_> asac: so this time you have to do it
[13:06] <asac> hmm ... how unfortunate ;) ... ok i add that and release ... next time you can do ;)
[13:06] <bdrung_> asac: i already add it
[13:09] <eagles0513875> bdrung_: is it a good idea though to put forth to motu and see what they say
[13:10] <bdrung_> eagles0513875: you could ask on the mailing list and see it they like your idea or not
[13:11] <eagles0513875> motu maililng list
[13:12] <bdrung_> or ubuntu devel
[13:12] <eagles0513875> ok :(
[13:12] <bdrung_> eagles0513875<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[13:13] <eagles0513875> thanks bdrung_
[13:20] <bdrung_> asac: which is the fastest way to get m-d 0.16 into karmic?
[13:20] <asac> eagles0513875: about 95+% of the users stick to the default we chooose. thats the idea ;)
[13:20] <asac> bdrung_: upload to debian
[13:20] <asac> and sync
[13:21] <eagles0513875> asac: emailed the devel and  motu lists and see what they think
[13:21] <asac> bdrung_: ok uploading to debian now (hope arch all packages are ok if built on ubuntu :))
[13:21] <asac> bdrung_: do you think its bad?
[13:21] <asac> to upload from ubuntu _all build?
[13:22] <bdrung_> asac: i used a sid pbuilder for uploading, but for m-d it should not hurt
[13:23] <asac> ok just did it ;)
[13:23] <asac> i think i even did it for last upload
[13:24] <bdrung_> asac: do you sync it into karmic?
[13:24] <asac> yes
[13:25] <asac> thats the idea
[13:25] <bdrung_> asac: via requestsync, or are there other ways?
[13:26] <asac> bdrung_: i usually ask some archive admin to sync
[13:26] <bdrung_> k, thats faster
[13:47] <eagles0513875> seems like my idea is liked :)
[13:52] <bdrung_> asac, eagles0513875, av`: hopefully it's the last time i updated: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Karmic/ExtensionReview it now contains the changes from m-d 0.16. the version column is for the released version string
[13:53] <eagles0513875> ?
[13:53] <eagles0513875> ok will figure out what that means when i get to it lol
[13:58] <bdrung_> eagles0513875: for what is your ?
[13:58] <eagles0513875> my question is 0.16 still for lucid and the extensions that will go into it
[14:03] <asac> 0.16 for everything we touch now at least
[14:04] <asac> not sure we need to reupload htose that have 0.15 now
[14:04] <asac> but would make sense
[14:06] <bdrung_> asac: it would make sense (because of provides)
[14:06] <bdrung_> eagles0513875: 0.16 is for all (only the renaming is left for lucid)
[14:07] <eagles0513875> ok so back to correcting that in bindwood then
[14:07] <asac> bdrung_: right. i think its fine to go through the extensions and bump all to 0.16
[14:07] <eagles0513875> do i need to create a new changelog?
[14:07] <asac> bdrung_: but probably after we managed to go through full list once ;)
[14:07]  * asac will help out on that extension stuff soon
[14:08] <eagles0513875> hehe asac gnomefreak has been a big contributor to most of em
[14:08] <asac> yes ... he is eager ;)
[14:09] <bdrung_> i will review the extensions, too
[14:09] <asac> we should add a "uploaded" column or something
[14:09] <asac> i cannot see on one look what extensions still need work
[14:09] <eagles0513875> ya
[14:10] <bdrung_> asac: there is the version column
[14:10] <asac> yeah. we could use that ... but seems was not maintained
[14:10] <asac> or nothing was uploaded yet
[14:10] <bdrung_> asac: added it 10 minutes ago
[14:10] <asac> !seen andv
[14:11] <eagles0513875> !last and
[14:11] <eagles0513875> andv
[14:11] <eagles0513875> !last andv
[14:11] <asac> bdrung_: i think we should have Uploaded Debian and  Uploaded Ubuntu column
[14:11] <asac> hmm i always thought i have the seen plugin in my irssi
[14:11] <bdrung_> asac: good idea
[14:13] <bdrung_> asac: it should only set, if all things are done (including the 0.16 things)
[14:16] <eagles0513875> can i use the same change log entry tht i added to bindwood or do i need a new one
[14:29] <eagles0513875> bdrung_: does ur .ssh folder only have 3 files in it
[14:29] <eagles0513875> or asac either one of u can respond
[14:30] <bdrung_> eagles0513875: authorized_keys  config  id_rsa  id_rsa.pub  known_hosts
[14:30] <eagles0513875> well i only have 3 files in mine O_O
[14:30] <eagles0513875> id_rsa id_rsa.pub and known hosts
[14:30] <eagles0513875> no config
[14:35] <bdrung_> eagles0513875: that is enough
[14:35] <eagles0513875> ok :)
[14:35] <eagles0513875> burning to cd now
[14:57] <eagles0513875> :( no bind wood fixing today :'(
[15:22] <eagles0513875> bdrung_: when u do a reinstall what do u do with the .ssh folder u backed up
[15:24] <bdrung_> eagles0513875: copy them
[15:24] <bdrung_> eagles0513875: i have /home on a separate partition and backup the complete /home
[15:25] <eagles0513875> kool
[15:25] <eagles0513875> you dont have to import it into any particular program
[15:26] <eagles0513875> just need gnupg installed and add the .ssh folder to home dir
[15:41] <aakashd> hey all
[15:42] <aakashd> i'm a QA engineer at mozilla corp and wanted to give you guys a heads up that the QA community has set up a channel on freenode, its' located at #mozilla-quality
[15:52] <TomJaeger> asac: What's the status on bug #217908 ?
[15:53] <asac> TomJaeger: i think the problem was that we dont get xserver 1.7
[15:53] <TomJaeger> asac, which doesn't really matter since we have all the necessary patches already in place
[15:53] <eagles0513875> aakashd: thanks for the heads up :)
[15:53] <aakashd> :)
[15:53] <aakashd> your welcome
[15:54] <aakashd> i'm trying to push the guys to come over to double-up on this channel as well
[15:54] <eagles0513875> asac: you see <aakashd> i'm a QA engineer at mozilla corp and wanted to give you guys a heads up that the QA community has set up a channel on freenode, its' located at #mozilla-quality
[15:54] <eagles0513875> aakashd: asac seems to be the one in charge of alot of the mozilla stuff
[15:54] <aakashd> ah ok
[15:54] <aakashd> good to know
[15:54] <aakashd> hey asac
[16:00] <TomJaeger> asac, The whole system is messed up.  Upstream doesn't give a shit about linux support, and we're somehow not allowed to fix the issues ourselves.
[16:09] <asac> cyphermox: connman ready?
[16:10] <cyphermox> nope
[16:10] <cyphermox> i'm stuck with work stuff
[16:10] <asac> k
[16:11] <cyphermox> asac, I think all I have left to do is patch the init script
[16:21] <cyphermox> asac, i'll let you know soon, i'm running pbuilder and i'll still have to run the tests
[17:06] <fta2> asac, nice work today: http://paste.ubuntu.com/277205/
[17:07] <asac> heh
[17:07] <asac> most work isnt in there ;)
[17:07] <asac> lots of build failures ;)
[17:08] <asac> feel wasted ;)
[17:08] <asac> will drop out
[17:08] <asac> once i know that applet builds ;
[17:10]  * asac didnt reboot since upstart transition
[17:10] <asac> before
[17:10] <asac> too scared that i cannot work ;)
[17:11] <bdrung_> asac: it works in my kvm
[17:11] <asac> yeah
[17:12] <asac> i should just reboot ... will do so in a few after seein that applet build on amd64
[17:17] <fta2> asac, i did it everywhere, no problem
[17:21] <fta2> grrr, i hate lintian
[17:22] <fta2> i wonder why they made dir-or-file-in-var-www
[17:22] <fta2> while they didn't for /usr/lib/cgi-bin
[17:25] <asac> !now
[17:32] <eagles0513875> asac: i can tellu kde dont work at least for me
[17:38] <asac> fta2: /var is usually someting where packages dont put files
[17:38] <asac> thats all dynamic there
[17:38] <asac> maybe a reason
[17:38] <asac> but maybe because everything in /var/www is available in apache defualt setup somehow?
[17:38] <asac> no clue
[17:41] <eagles0513875> asac: im not sure about apache but i think tha tfolder is where all the site u host are kept
[17:41] <eagles0513875> if i remember correctly
[17:41] <asac> yes
[17:42] <asac> anyway ... ok off for a few evening hours
[17:42] <eagles0513875> im soon out
[17:42] <eagles0513875> and im still sweraing at kde
 fta: the bot uploads wrong ubuntu revisions <= i know, that's an old bug i need to fix
[18:49] <bdrung_> asac: whom to ask for syncing m-d?
[19:08] <av`> bdrung_, open a sync request
[19:08] <av`> if it's a bug-fix only release it's ok
[19:08] <av`> if not you need an FFe
[19:09] <asac> i will take care of this
[19:09] <asac> might need to wait till after beta ... arch is frozen
[20:02] <fta> strange, all the icons in alerts popups are corrupted
[20:07] <fta> asac, [reed]: ^^
[20:07] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/Error.png
[20:07] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/Screenshot-Alert.png
[20:08] <[reed]> yeah
[20:08] <[reed]> known bug
[20:08] <[reed]> let me find it
[20:11] <asac> corrupoted?
[20:12] <asac> ok rebooting. wish me luck ;)
[20:12] <fta> good luck
[20:15] <[reed]> guh, stupid mail client
[20:16] <[reed]> fta: mozilla bug 516665
[20:19] <fta> thx
[20:51] <fta> baaaaad, todays update gave me the "requires a restart, restart now" long before the upgrade was complete
[21:12] <kenvandine> fta, can you sponsor a gwibber upload?
[21:13] <kenvandine> fixes some nice bugs and we need it for support of the indicator-messages upload about to happen
[21:16] <kenvandine> or asac ^^
[21:17] <kenvandine> lp:~gwibber-team/gwibber/packaging
[21:17] <kenvandine> bug 434097
[21:24] <fta> kenvandine, rev63?
[21:24] <kenvandine> yes please
[21:24] <av`> kenvandine, is that a new upstream release?
[21:24] <kenvandine> it is a new snapshot
[21:24] <kenvandine> fixes a bunch of stuff
[21:25] <av`> is it a bug fix only?
[21:25] <kenvandine> like retweets, notifications, etc
[21:25] <av`> or new featues
[21:25] <fta> kenvandine, ok, I will have a look
[21:25] <av`> * features
[21:25] <kenvandine> fta thx
[21:25] <kenvandine> av`, it is fixing features that are busted :)
[21:25] <fta> kenvandine, btw, is the -daemon restarted on upgrade now?
[21:25] <av`> then should be fine
[21:25] <kenvandine> fta, humm... no
[21:25] <av`> kenvandine, we are in feature freeze u know? :)
[21:25] <kenvandine> av`, yes
[21:26] <av`> that's why I asked
[21:26] <kenvandine> fta, we should really do that, i'll talk to ryan
[21:27] <fta> kenvandine, sometimes, after an upgrade, i'm no longer able to post, no error. i need to kill the daemon to make it work again
[21:27] <kenvandine> fta, yea... good point
[21:27] <kenvandine> just gotta find a good way to hand that
[21:28] <kenvandine> we can make it receive a restart signal, but i don't know if a script run with sudo in a postinst would be able to talk to i
[21:34] <fta> kenvandine, done
[21:35] <kenvandine> thx!
[21:37] <fta> kenvandine, next time, could you please make a commit with no change except the UNRELEASED->karmic so it's clear in the packaging branch what revision was used? I did it this time
[21:37] <kenvandine> ok
[21:47] <fta> asac, too bad chromium is not in universe already, it's really usable now
[23:02] <asac> ack
[23:16] <BUGabundo> asac: dude NM broken
[23:16] <BUGabundo> very very broken
[23:16] <BUGabundo> :(
[23:18] <asac> BUGabundo: applet?
[23:18] <asac> upgrade to ubuntu2/3
[23:18] <BUGabundo> yeah
[23:18] <BUGabundo> I got trunk
[23:18] <asac> not sure ... take the one from archive
[23:18] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 0.8~a~git.20090917t223236.942371e-0ubuntu2~nmt1
[23:18] <BUGabundo>   Candidate: 0.8~a~git.20090923t220421.1ac8ffd-0ubuntu3
[23:18] <asac> the one in ppa might be older
[23:18] <asac> yes
[23:18] <asac> grab that 3
[23:18] <BUGabundo> I had to downgrade tolder one
[23:18] <BUGabundo> asac: no. 3 is broken
[23:19] <asac> everything else upgraded?
[23:19] <BUGabundo> full-upgrade
[23:19] <asac> network-manager libnm-glib2 libnm-glib0
[23:19] <asac> versions
[23:19] <BUGabundo> now, all NM packages have been downgraded, of course
[23:19] <BUGabundo> or I wouldn't be here
[23:20] <asac> i think its unlikely that ubuntu3 doenst work with all updated
[23:20] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy network-manager libnm-glib2 libnm-g | pastebinit
[23:20] <BUGabundo> W: Unable to locate package libnm-g
[23:20] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/277458/
[23:20] <asac> applet was broken today
[23:20] <asac> yes
[23:20] <asac> but not with ubuntu3
[23:20] <BUGabundo> asac: that's what I'm seeing
[23:20] <BUGabundo> want the logs too?
[23:21] <asac> no
[23:21] <BUGabundo> I can push to LP
[23:21] <asac> i want you to run dist-upgrade
[23:21] <BUGabundo> err
[23:21] <asac> and run nm-applet from console
[23:21] <BUGabundo> I just spent 15 min downgrading
[23:21] <asac> yes
[23:21] <BUGabundo> can't, it breaks
[23:21] <BUGabundo> gets that log I sent to identica
[23:22] <asac> let me check
[23:23] <BUGabundo> ok
[23:23] <BUGabundo> I'll go pay my bills
[23:25] <BUGabundo> lol
[23:25] <BUGabundo> why are you replying thwere??
[23:25] <asac> because i replied to someone else too ;)
[23:26] <asac> but you are right
[23:26] <asac> i thought you pay your bills ;)
[23:26] <asac> BUGabundo: run nm-tool too please
[23:26] <asac> and paste here
[23:26] <BUGabundo> e-back!!
[23:27] <BUGabundo> $ nm-tool | pastebinit
[23:27] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/277461/
[23:28] <asac> BUGabundo: ok i assume you just have a auto connection for wifi?
[23:28] <asac> or do you have some manually configured ones?
[23:29] <BUGabundo> of course
[23:29] <BUGabundo> but not connected to any network
[23:29] <BUGabundo> yes I may have other networks there too
[23:29] <asac> do you have or not
[23:29] <BUGabundo> asac: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/436242
[23:29] <asac> go to connection editor ....
[23:29] <asac> take a screenshot from the wireless tab
[23:29] <BUGabundo> asac: let me cat nm conf
[23:29] <asac> no
[23:29] <asac> just look in the wireless tab ;)
[23:30] <BUGabundo> asac: wireless is off
[23:30] <asac> hmm. yeah even then
[23:30] <asac> go to connnection editor
[23:30] <BUGabundo> ohh you mena the settings
[23:30] <asac> and check wireless tab
[23:30] <asac> yes
[23:30] <BUGabundo> several networks in ther
[23:30] <fta> want a respin of the ppa?
[23:30] <BUGabundo> too many to fit in the screen :D
[23:30] <asac> no
[23:30] <asac> fta: the archive version (luckily) is higher
[23:31] <BUGabundo> many AUTO
[23:31] <fta> asac, i should give you a button or something
[23:31] <BUGabundo> asac: one manual
[23:31] <asac> BUGabundo: is wireless off or are there no APs in proximity ;)
[23:31] <asac> fta: hehe. yeah ;)
[23:31] <BUGabundo> asac: no near APs
[23:31] <BUGabundo> wifi is enabled at kernel level
[23:31] <asac> BUGabundo: is killswitch on?
[23:31] <asac> or off?
[23:31] <BUGabundo> Off menaning able to connect
[23:31] <asac> ah
[23:31] <asac> ok
[23:32] <BUGabundo> I never turn it On. afraid of kernel bugs
[23:32] <asac> where are you that there is no AP near ;)
[23:32] <asac> ?
[23:32] <BUGabundo> in my beddrom
[23:32] <asac> BUGabundo: and there is no AP visible?
[23:32] <BUGabundo> APs are on the other side of the house
[23:32] <asac> thats in a village? or on a farm? ;)
[23:32] <BUGabundo> nope :)
[23:32] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOLOLOL
[23:32] <BUGabundo> if I step 8mt
[23:32] <BUGabundo> I get like 2 open APs and 8 wep/wpa
[23:33] <asac> BUGabundo: ok ... so i am pretty sure the assert happens because there is no AP
[23:33] <BUGabundo> lolol
[23:33] <asac> so you can workaround by going where you can see aps
[23:33] <asac> or by using killswitch
[23:33] <BUGabundo> I've removed the manual wifi, just in case
[23:33] <asac> BUGabundo: that shouldnt matter. you could have kept those
[23:34] <BUGabundo> well seems kill swich aint working
[23:34] <BUGabundo> oh it works but won't change the led
[23:34] <BUGabundo> another kernel bug
[23:34] <BUGabundo> º:(
[23:34] <BUGabundo> dist upgrading again
[23:34] <BUGabundo> wish me luck
[23:35] <asac> good luck
[23:38] <asac> fta: i think in a few minutes i might really need an applet respin ;)
[23:39] <asac> hold still please ;)
[23:39] <asac> fta: ok now ... just network-manager-applet
[23:40] <fta> done
[23:41] <BUGabundo> err
[23:41] <BUGabundo> so what update should I get?!!?!?
[23:42] <BUGabundo> asac: ^^^^
[23:45] <fta> 13 rev!? http://paste.ubuntu.com/277470/
[23:45] <asac> yes
[23:46] <asac> BUGabundo: did you verify that all the latest works if you have wither wifi disbled completely or you are somewhere where you can see APs
[23:46] <asac> ?
[23:46] <BUGabundo> The following packages will be upgraded:
[23:46] <BUGabundo>   libnm-glib-dev libnm-glib2 libnm-util-dev libnm-util1 modemmanager network-manager network-manager-dev network-manager-gnome
[23:46] <asac> yes
[23:46] <BUGabundo> still waiting on you to approve the upgrade
[23:46] <asac> yes
[23:47] <asac> go
[23:47] <asac> everything ... then you should at least be able to make it work by disbaling killswitch
[23:47] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy  network-manager network-manager-dev network-manager-gnome | pastebinit
[23:47] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/277472/
[23:47] <asac> and my guess is if you are close to APs it works too
[23:48] <fta> asac, just got a "Sponsorship deadline for UDS-Lucid approaching" from jorge.. i didn't even know it has started
[23:48] <asac> fta: yes. me neither
[23:49] <fta> not sure i will be able to come
[23:49] <BUGabundo> asac: Current status: 0 broken [-1], 1 update [-9].
[23:49] <fta> deadline is in 3 days
[23:49] <BUGabundo> asac: so now what? reboot?
[23:49] <asac> fta: already pushed?
[23:49] <fta> yes
[23:50] <asac> otherwise wait one more sec ;)
[23:50] <asac> ok
[23:50] <asac> no problem
[23:50] <asac> just had another bug ifx
[23:58] <BUGabundo> asac: back
[23:58] <BUGabundo> seems to be working


[02:26] <Robot101> I understood that my "task" job which was "start on runlevel [016]" would finish before other runlevel stuff would continue
[02:26] <Robot101> but it seems this isn't the case, so it gets terminated by the sysv task killer
[02:27] <Robot101> (I have a file sync from workstation back to server which would ideally be completed at system shutdown)
[02:29] <Robot101> (and also similarly, the reverse which needs to be done before gdm appears)
[03:48] <SpamapS> Robot101: runlevel is not waited on, so no, your task won't finish before other runlevel stuff will continue.
[03:49] <SpamapS> Robot101: what you probably want then is 'start on deconfiguring-networking'
[03:49] <SpamapS> Robot101: that is the latest possible moment before the network goes down
[03:55] <SpamapS> Robot101: IIRC sendsigs should actually wait because your task is in start/ goal state... it does not send kill to those processes.
[10:51] <Robot101> SpamapS: is runlevel special-cased by "task" somehow, and other events will be OK?
[11:12] <jodh> Robot101: not sure I understand your question. However, take a look at upstart-events(7) and you'll see why SpamapS suggestion will work (because deconfiguring-networking is a hook event that blocks).
[11:13] <jodh> Robot101: an alternative would be to have your job 'start on starting rc RUNLEVEL=[016]' which would block the starting of the rc job which causes the SysV shutdown sequence in this case.
[16:54] <toabctl> jodh, is there some spec about the dconf bridge you want to implement?
[16:55] <jodh> toabctl: it's partially done: https://code.launchpad.net/~stgraber/upstart/upstart-dconf-bridge
[16:55] <toabctl> jodh, yes. checked this already.
[16:55] <stgraber> still need to port it to gdbus, been busy with other things lately :)
[16:55] <toabctl> stgraber, maybe I'll help a bit
[16:56] <toabctl> stgraber, what about listening to the systembus and waiting for upstart to appear instead of an exit if upstart is not available on the bus?
[16:56] <toabctl> sessionbus, not systembus
[16:56] <jodh> toabctl: this bridge shouldn't be listening on the system bus - it's per user.
[16:57] <toabctl> jodh, yes. sorry
[16:58] <stgraber> toabctl: so, ultimately that bridge will be started by upstart itself once dbus is started, so there's no real need for the bridge to wait for the bus as upstart will guarantee it's spawned after dbus is ready (and respawn it if dbus dies for some reason)
[16:58] <toabctl> stgraber, ok
[16:58] <jodh> stgraber: could you add some details on this to the spec?
[17:44] <toabctl> jodh, stgraber how can I test the bridge? I guess I have to run upstart in my session..
[17:45] <stgraber> toabctl: right, do "mkdir ~/.init", then "init --session --confdir=~/.init/". That'll spawn an upstart instance on your session bus
[17:45] <toabctl> stgraber, does that work with upstart from raring? or should I install upstart from bzr?
[17:46] <stgraber> toabctl: works fine with upstart from raring
[17:46] <toabctl> great. thanks!
[17:48] <toabctl> funny. I get a lot of events when I resize a window because some programs (eg dconf-editor) store their window settings (height, width, maximized, ...) with gsettings.
[18:35] <toabctl> is there some html doc for libnih?
[18:59] <toabctl> stgraber, https://code.launchpad.net/~toabctl/upstart/dconf-bridge-gdbus
[19:00] <toabctl> stgraber, maybe a split of keyname and keypath would be good for the environment
[19:12] <toabctl> btw: where are the tests for the files in extra?


[01:35] <rick_h_> stokachu: around?
[01:36] <stokachu> rick_h_: hey
[01:37] <rick_h_> stokachu: sorry, wifi acting up and laggy
[01:38] <rick_h_> stokachu: just heads up, will reply to the bug, really intresting
[01:38] <rick_h_> stokachu: are you or anyone in your area in nuremberg?
[01:38] <stokachu> rick_h_: nah closest is london
[01:38] <rick_h_> stokachu: as it's something I'd like to chat/hash out some more
[01:39] <rick_h_> stokachu: ok, well will start a conversation in the bug but might be worth setting up something more face to face on the whole idea
[01:39] <rick_h_> more long term
[01:39] <stokachu> rick_h_: ok, whats the bug number again?
[01:39]  * stokachu being lazy
[01:40] <rick_h_> stokachu: 1440228
[01:41] <stokachu> rick_h_: ah yea was talking to david about that earlier
[01:41] <stokachu> rick_h_: though did you mean to mark it invalid?
[01:42] <rick_h_> stokachu: yea, but let me write up my giant reply
[01:42] <stokachu> rick_h_: ok cool
[01:42] <rick_h_> stokachu: basically I was ping'ing to warn "yes I'm marking invalid atm on the juju-gui, but interesting idea and let's start a conversation"
[01:42] <stokachu> rick_h_: cool man sounds good
[01:42] <rick_h_> and curious if I should setup a session in nuremberg on this some more
[01:42] <rick_h_> or if we should chat via email, a list, or something else
[01:43] <rick_h_> anyway, conversation starting, ty for the bug because it's an important idea.
[01:43] <stokachu> rick_h_: cool once you reply ill provide some more context where this came up
[01:48] <rick_h_> stokachu: ok, on the way
[01:48] <stokachu> cool thanks
[01:48] <rick_h_> stokachu: feel free to move to an email on the juju or canonical-juju lists if you want to open it up more or just myself if you think I'm nuts
[01:49] <stokachu> haha ok
[01:55] <stokachu> rick_h_: cool i like those approaches
[01:55] <stokachu> rick_h_: i updated the bug with some more information
[01:55] <rick_h_> stokachu: sounds good
[01:55] <stokachu> thanks
[01:56] <rick_h_> stokachu: and we can help file bugs/facilitate tooling updates to charm tools that provides charm get command
[01:56] <rick_h_> stokachu: and we're working with core on bundles in core so we'll bring this into that conversation/specs that are being worked on
[01:56] <stokachu> rick_h_: cool that'll be awesome
[01:56] <stokachu> ill take a look at charm tools while that work is going on
[01:58] <rick_h_> marcoceppi_: https://github.com/juju/charm-tools can't be the latest charm-tools?
[02:01] <rick_h_> stokachu: https://launchpad.net/charm-tools looks later
[02:01] <stokachu> ok looking at that now
[02:02] <rick_h_> stokachu: the interesting part for supporting bundle get is http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~charm-toolers/charm-tools/1.6/view/head:/charmtools/get.py
[12:45] <marcoceppi_> rick_h_: it's not, charm-tools is hosted on lp
[12:47] <marcoceppi_> I guess we should probably move it to lp eventually


[00:29] <jbicha> darkxst: there isn't that much indicator stuff left, especially not by file size
[01:29] <micahg> ubuntu-gnome doesn't have goffice/gnumeric seeded, right?
[01:29] <micahg> no reason why I can't update it?
[10:34] <u-k-i-t> I have issues with the 13.10 daily iso images. Currently they are failing out and dropping to prompt. Is this being addressed?
[10:43] <darkxst> u-k-i-t, what do you mean?
[10:44] <u-k-i-t> Current boots to a red screen with black portion at the top and the drops to init prompt. That is the end of the boot.
[10:45] <darkxst> so it never even gets to X?
[10:45] <u-k-i-t> darkxst: No.
[10:45] <darkxst> logs would be super helpful!
[10:46] <u-k-i-t> darkxst: OK. I will drop out and reboot to my usb and see what I can report on.
[11:10] <DriedOrangel> Using Evolution, when I have a long summary for a calendar appointment, the calendar in the panel gets a width spanning my entire screen so that I can no longer see the actual calendar window. Is this a bug? Will it be fixed?
[11:22] <darkxst> DriedOrangel, that was fixed already, what version you running?
[11:25] <DriedOrangel> darkxst, ubuntu gnome 13.04 and then I added the gnome-team ppa to get gnome 3.8 something
[11:26] <darkxst> it should be fixed in 3.8
[11:27] <darkxst> DriedOrangel, you are talking about the gnome-shell calender widget in the top bar right?
[11:27] <DriedOrangel> darkxst, exaclty
[11:28] <DriedOrangel> darkxst, I have edited my gnome-shell.css file but all  I changed was some colors. didn't touch the javascript file
[11:29] <darkxst> DriedOrangel, does this help https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/commit/?id=cb45a38838eb441d4d3184560263ace5cc79057b
[11:30] <DriedOrangel> darkxst, hold on
[11:34] <DriedOrangel> darkxst, Yeah that fixed it. Thanks. I already had one for #calendarEventsArea but that apparently didn't work
[11:34] <darkxst> DriedOrangel, can you file a bug, and will see it gets fixed for saucy
[11:36] <DriedOrangel> darkxst, Honestly don't know how to do that. Do I use launchpad or something?
[11:36] <darkxst> just run 'ubuntu-bug gnome-shell' from a terminal
[11:40] <DriedOrangel> Apport sent me to Launchpad.net. Do I have to sign up?
[11:44] <darkxst> maybe
[11:45] <DriedOrangel> brb
[11:53] <Zoiaguyver> Hmm Gnome 3.9.90 is rather weird, from massive title bars in 3.0, to pretty much none at all in 3.10 lol
[11:54] <darkxst> Zoiaguyver, most app have moved to the new client side header bars
[11:54] <Zoiaguyver> yeah, looks really nice
[11:54] <darkxst> yeh
[11:54] <darkxst> system monitor looks a bit odd currently though nothing to do with the header bars
[11:55] <Zoiaguyver> Yeah, but thats up for some big changes from what was said at Guadec?
[11:56] <darkxst> Zoiaguyver, I wasnt at Guadec
[11:56] <Zoiaguyver> I watched the videos, they are up on the gnome site
[11:56] <darkxst> ha right, if only I had time ;)
[11:57] <Zoiaguyver> Yeah, know that feeling sometimes :)
[11:58] <Zoiaguyver> Basically it looks like are trying to move some apps together like System Monitor and Disk Analyzer will become "Usage" or something
[12:01] <darkxst> well kind of makes since I guess
[12:01] <darkxst> although much of the stuff in disks requires privileged access
[12:01] <Zoiaguyver> Yeah I think if they do it right and don't try to stick to much together
[12:02] <Zoiaguyver> I think its just the analyzer part thats being moved, not the actual partitioning and stuff. Atleast that's the way I understood it.
[12:03] <darkxst> DriedOrangel, gotta run  now, cc me on the bug report when you are done.
[12:03] <darkxst> Zoiaguyver, disks doesnt have an analyzer part!
[12:04] <darkxst> Zoiaguyver, but likewise, I'm out now...
[12:05] <Zoiaguyver> See ya and take care
[13:42] <bjsnider> the title bars were massive i think because of the huge whitespace in the cantarell font
[18:07] <theenduser> hi
[18:08] <theenduser> do you guys have any clue why the weather extension won't install/work in saucy?
[18:34] <bjsnider> it should
[18:34] <bjsnider> theenduser, you've got to install the dependencies
[18:35] <bjsnider> gnome-weather will pull them in if it's there
[18:36] <bjsnider> if not, it's libgweather and the typelib file, gir1.2-gweather-3.0
[19:02] <theenduser> oh thnx bjsnider :)
[19:02] <theenduser> I'll try
[19:02] <theenduser> so it's 'typelib' and 'file'?
[19:03] <theenduser> sorry, what's a typelib file?
[19:03] <bjsnider> no, the gir1.2 package is the typelib file
[19:03] <theenduser> oh I see, thnx
[19:03] <bjsnider> you're talking about the neroth extension right?
[19:05] <theenduser> it was the gir1.2 package that was missing
[19:05] <theenduser> lemme see
[19:05] <theenduser> yeah that one
[19:05] <theenduser> should I report it?
[19:18] <bjsnider> no, this came up not long ago and it was fixed in debian
[19:19] <bjsnider> it will be pulled into saucy at some point i guess
[19:19] <bjsnider> gnome-weather pulls it in but it's not there because they used icons that aren't free
[19:20] <bjsnider> the weather icons have a stupid license
[19:40] <theenduser> bjsnider, cool, thnx
[21:08] <jbicha> theenduser: sudo apt-get install gnome-shell-extension-weather is probably easier
[21:27] <darkxst> new syslinux theme is on today's daily ;)
[22:11] <c_smith> hey, I'm trying to get empathy to connect to FB Chat, and each time I get an error saying "Facebook needs to be authenticated" even though I've already done that in GOA and UOA
[22:11] <c_smith> is this a known bug? or am I don't something wrong?
[22:11] <c_smith> *doing


[00:37] <smoser> mgagne, a build of https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/trunk.fix-networking/+merge/296272 should be landing at https://launchpad.net/~smoser/+archive/ubuntu/cloud-init-dev shortly
[00:37] <smoser> (and this one should actually build :). the previous didn't build, which was why whatever you had there would have been garbage.
[00:38] <smoser> whats there right now will use the 'id' as the nic name. i plan to look at changing that for openstack tomorrow.
[08:53] <ubuntu__> smoser: hi, is https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1355909 still on the radar?
[11:24] <Odd_Bloke> Well, I've been sitting all by myself in a #cloud-init on a different IRC server for a few days. :p
[13:05] <smoser> ubuntu__, i would like to have that functional, yeah.
[13:53] <Takumo> Hi all, how would I set hostname based on an ec2 tag in cloud-config?
[14:43] <smoser> Takumo, nothing really helpful to that in cloud-inti.
[14:43] <smoser> are tags available inside the instance, i forget
[14:43] <smoser> i didnt think they were.
[14:43] <Takumo> I think they're available from the metadata service
[14:43] <Takumo> doesn't matter too much
[14:44] <Takumo> was just looking for a way to assign a hostname or id to use within ansible scripts
[14:44] <Takumo> thought I could set the fqdn based on a tag and keep my ansible stuff agnostic of ec2
[14:54] <smoser> well you can assign te hostname via cloud-init
[14:54] <smoser> just not via a tag
[14:55] <smoser> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/doc/examples/cloud-config.txt#L408
[14:59] <GivenToCode> Hi I am using ubuntu 14.04.4 with cloud-init 0.7.5 on ec2 and am having issues with ephemeral drives on various instance families
[14:59] <GivenToCode> essentially, for the r3 family, cloud-init runs mount -a and in fstab is an entry to mount xvdb to /mnt, however for r3s the ephemeral devices don't have file systems
[15:00] <GivenToCode> the mechanisms cloud-init provide (bootcmd) run after mount -a runs...
[15:21] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: I have a doc improvement MP open at https://code.launchpad.net/~daniel-thewatkins/cloud-init/merging-doc-clarification/+merge/295822.  If gaughen reviews and approves it, are you happy for me to merge it, or would you like to review?
[15:21] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, thats fine/
[15:22] <smoser> GivenToCode, you just want it to not do that ?
[15:22] <GivenToCode> if it matters i am using this AMI ami-0f8bce65, which has a mount for xvdb to /mnt in fstab and fails on r3 instances
[15:23] <smoser> GivenToCode, you should be able to provide user-data that says:
[15:23] <GivenToCode> smoser, I'm not sure what I want it to do, but it is clear cloud-init has at least one faulty assumption on ec2
[15:23] <smoser> mounts:
[15:23] <smoser>  - [ephemeral0, null]
[15:24] <smoser>  - [swap, null]
[15:24] <smoser> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/doc/examples/cloud-config.txt#L174
[15:25] <smoser> and if you could, file a bug against cloud-images at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/doc/examples/cloud-config.txt#L174
[15:25] <smoser> bah
[15:25] <smoser> at https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-images/+filebug
[15:25] <smoser> and Odd_Bloke and his team will see if they can't make it dtrt
[15:25] <GivenToCode> smoser, but i still do in fact want xvdb to mount to /mnt, we depend on it
[15:26] <smoser> ah. ok. then you can put a filesystem on it too.
[15:26] <smoser> hold on
[15:26] <GivenToCode> but i want it to happen after we mkfs, which we are trying to do in bootcmd but it happens after mounts it looks like
[15:26] <smoser>  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/doc/examples/cloud-config-disk-setup.txt#L4
[15:26] <smoser> that should work.
[15:26] <smoser> disk_setup:
[15:28] <GivenToCode> smoser, so something like that is happening for c3s but not r3s
[15:29] <smoser> right.
[15:29] <smoser> so on amazon in most cases they provide you an ephemeral disk that already has a filesystem on it.
[15:29] <smoser> and cloud-init just says "mount that"
[15:29] <GivenToCode> ok, so if i put that in my own custom user data it'll happen for all instances no matter the family?
[15:29] <smoser> but in this case (and on other clouds) that is not the case.
[15:30] <smoser> this is new info to me, i've not tracked ec2 closely for quite a while.
[15:30] <GivenToCode> ok, you've been a huge help
[15:30] <smoser> GivenToCode, i'd like it to. it is possible there are bugs in it. but this is generally the path that azure takes, so something should be able to be made to work there.
[15:53] <GivenToCode> cc_disk_setup.py[WARNING]: Query against device /ephmeral0 failed
[15:53] <GivenToCode> util.py[WARNING]: Failed partitioning operation
[15:54] <GivenToCode> ah typo on line 9
[16:40] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: Will cloudinit.readthedocs.io eventually get updated, or is there another step that needs to happen?
[16:51] <smoser> Odd_Bloke, i think so.
[16:54] <Odd_Bloke> I guess we'll find out. ;)
[16:54] <harlowja> i think its a manual refresh for that one
[16:55] <harlowja> since afaik smoser and i are the people that can click rebuild that website
[16:55] <Odd_Bloke> Ah, OK.
[16:55] <smoser> harlowja, thank you
[16:55] <smoser> :)
[16:55] <harlowja> guess u want me to click rebuild :-P
[16:55] <Odd_Bloke> I know some RTD things update on commit.
[16:56] <Odd_Bloke> harlowja: Make it so, number one.
[16:56] <harlowja> Odd_Bloke i don't think bzr stuff does update on commit :(
[16:56] <harlowja> i think github stuff might
[16:56] <harlowja> but bzr is manual afaik
[16:56] <Odd_Bloke> Fair enough. :)
[16:56] <Odd_Bloke> Anyway, /me --> long weekend
[16:56] <harlowja> not allowed
[16:56] <harlowja> lol
[16:58] <GivenToCode> is 0.7.5 the latest version for ubuntu 14.04.4?
[17:05] <smoser> GivenToCode, yes.
[17:29] <GivenToCode> hmm, how hard is it to patch? I need the fix for this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1311463
[18:00] <smoser> GivenToCode, thats probably not too bad. and i'd help you learn the Ubuntu SRU process if you're really looking to  learn
[18:00] <smoser> (that is me saying i'd like to help but have limited time and higher priorities at the moment... but if i can get you involved and then later possibly get you to contribute m ore, then i'd probably help you along :)
[18:02] <GivenToCode> smoser, to be clear the bug has been fixed, i just need the new version (0.7.7) which doesnt seem to be easy to upgrade to
[18:03] <GivenToCode> or, since it is a one liner I could manually patch my AMI but it doesn't look like the .py files are actually on disk
[18:03] <smoser> well, you need an SRU (Stable Release Update) to get it into 14.04
[18:03] <GivenToCode> I'd be happy to contribute, am an ASF committer, but there is some red tape with my current employer
[18:03] <smoser> the .py files are on disk, and you *can* do that.
[18:04] <smoser> dpkg -L cloud-init | grep .py
[18:04] <GivenToCode> smoser, oh I see, my assumption of what SRU was was wrong
[18:05] <smoser> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[18:56] <smoser> rharper, so what happens if i do this:
[18:56] <smoser>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/16928154/
[18:58] <smoser> or this
[18:58] <smoser>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/16928206/
[18:59] <rharper> smoser: for the first, if we omit the name, I don't think we'll write out correct eni files, rather, we'd need to create our own name value if we don't use id
[18:59] <smoser> for some reason i thoguht it might just use the current name if its not present.
[18:59] <rharper> the latter patch makes more sense, however,  the absence of a 'name' key in the network_config will break the requirements of a type: physical dict
[19:00] <rharper> smoser: that'd require more introspection at network_config parse-time
[19:00] <rharper> but it could be done
[19:00] <rharper> the name_by_mac
[19:00] <rharper> we have for ip set link stuff would provide the values
[19:01] <rharper> I need to think a bit more about whether we can construct reasonable configs for multi-layered things (like bonds, vlans and bridges)
[19:01] <rharper> we have at-least the rackspace /ironic case which uses bonds and vlans in the network_data.json
[20:41] <smoser> mgagne, i'm pretty sure my ppa should work for you now.
[20:41] <smoser> i've tested on dreamhost and we've tested via config drive similar to what you gave
[20:42] <smoser> rharper, so i think that https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/trunk.fix-networking/+merge/296272 is ready ... except for the obnoxious naming in openstack
[20:42] <smoser> which i really just dont feel comfortable putting in
[20:43] <rharper> smoser: you've got merge conflicts
[20:43] <rharper> in Changelog
[20:44] <smoser> well, just that one. i was fixing it.
[20:44] <rharper> w.r.t the id -> name , what do you suggest otherwise then?  Is your concern that users will be confused in the case that the id was tap-fasdfs23  ?
[20:44] <smoser> well, i expect  a few things
[20:44] <smoser> a.) some users saying WTH UBUNTU!
[20:45] <smoser> b.) juju charms not expecting that name or being able to predict it in any way
[20:45] <rharper> s/UBUNTU/$DISTRO_WITH_CLOUD_INIT
[20:45] <smoser> rharper it doesn't make me feel better to say "WTH SMOSER!"
[20:45] <smoser> :)
[20:45] <rharper> smoser: right, cloud-init -> smoser
[20:45] <rharper> understood
[20:46] <rharper> so, totally understand a and b, so instead of cloud-init picking; I think we can just re-use what the nics were named unless 'name' exists in the network_data
[20:46] <rharper> I think that's a completely reasonable alternative that allows folks to toggle the interface name wit net.ifnames=0 or 1
[20:46] <rharper> and cloud-init won't be in the way
[20:50] <smoser> yeah. then we have to search, which we're not doign right now.
[20:50] <rharper> it's the same lookup call for rename later
[20:50] <rharper> at the time of config-drive conversion
[20:50] <rharper> we fetch the list of nics and macs, and just inject name: <current name by mac>
[20:52] <smoser> yeah. i think so.
[20:58] <smoser> mgagne, so your input would be appreciated. really should be fixed.
[20:58] <mgagne> will test right now
[20:58] <smoser> ok i have to go afk, but will check in later, and maybe try to do the last change there for openstack nic names.
[21:30] <harlowja> "WTH SMOSER!"
[21:30] <harlowja> lol
[23:50] <mgagne> it's not working. cloud-init thinks my interfaces are named after the link id (found in interfaces.d). After running ip link, they are still named ens3 and ens4.
[23:50] <mgagne> hostname is still not set, user scripts not run, etc.
[23:51] <mgagne> I had to reboot the instance in single mode to debug and read logs


[00:26] <goodbyeearl> hey everybody my xubuntu has been to slow and heavy
[00:27] <goodbyeearl> do you know how could make it more smooth and light?
[00:27] <goodbyeearl> i've been using it for more than one year now and it is just amazing
[00:27] <goodbyeearl> but it is slow now
[02:49] <xubuntu509> Hi everyone
[02:49] <xubuntu509> I need some help with Ubuntu
[02:52] <frustratedtech> hello
[03:05] <Facetious> hello. I'm currently trying to build ristretto from source, and I keep getting messages that various xfce librariries are not current enough. I've compiled some of the libraries myself, but I was wondering if there was a smarter way to get the most current xfce libraries.
[03:11] <holstein> Facetious: i dont muck around much there.. i find something always breaks or gives me a hard time.. i usually try PPA's
[03:13] <Facetious> cool. thanks.
[03:40] <xubuntu570> Hi, i was wondering if anyone knew if i could change the log in screen so it looks like Ubuntu's stock? i have both Ubuntu 12.04 and Xubuntu 12.04 installed on my laptop.
[03:41] <holstein> xubuntu570: sure... you dont want to know the difference though?
[03:42] <xubuntu570> im guessing, that if i change it to ubuntu stock i would have to choose only one flacor to log into am i right?
[03:42] <xubuntu570> flavor*
[03:43] <holstein> xubuntu570: ?
[03:43] <xubuntu570> if i changed the log in screen to be ubuntu stock, i didnt think it let me choos what linux to log into
[03:43] <holstein> xubuntu570: you'll just have the ubuntu greeter
[03:43] <holstein> xubuntu570: they all let you choose whatever you set them up to let you choose
[03:44] <xubuntu570> is there a dowside to that?
[03:44] <holstein> xubuntu570: i suggest leaving it alone
[03:44] <holstein> xubuntu570: bestcase scenario, you mess around for a bit and dont break your system, while only changing sometihng cosmetically
[03:45] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/195674/how-to-fix-xubuntu-lightdm-theme-after-installing-unity is relevant
[03:47] <xubuntu570> okay, thank you for the help, i think i will have to think about whether or not it's worth it for a while.
[08:41] <freedomrun> trying to send crash log for xfce4-session but when "Continue" is clicked, nothing happen ??? help
[09:07] <nantou> how do I limit upload and download speeds for the whole system?
[09:13] <moetunes> nantou:  afaik you do that at your router
[09:13] <nantou> how?
[09:14] <moetunes> some routers have a setting for that
[09:14] <moetunes> see if this has a clue - http://www.speedguide.net/articles/linux-tweaking-121
[09:15] <moetunes> it's old but ...
[09:18] <baizon> nantou: http://askubuntu.com/questions/776/how-i-can-limit-download-upload-bandwidth
[09:20] <nantou> thx baizon
[09:32] <xubuntu301> hey guys
[09:33] <baizon> hi
[09:34] <xubuntu301> is there anyone who know how to get the same windows 7's windows behavior (or ubuntu's) when i put them on the edge on xubuntu?
[09:35] <xubuntu301> the window gets maximazed but it only occupies the upper half of the screen... is quite annoying lol
[10:21] <MoL0ToV> hi to all! i see that latest xubuntu need more or 4GB to install. I have a asus eeepc with 4GB ssd internal disk. what are the latest version that fit in 4GB? leaving some space also to store some document or mp3..
[10:26] <baizon> MoL0ToV: you can always deinstall stuff
[10:26] <baizon> then you get more spac
[10:26] <baizon> *space
[10:28] <MoL0ToV> but the graphical installer say to me that 4,6GB are needed to complete installation
[10:28] <sonkey4> was just gunnna say that
[10:28] <sonkey4> best you could do is install ubuntu mini.iso
[10:29] <sonkey4> then apt-get xubuntu-desktop
[10:29] <baizon> indeed, sonkey4 is right :)
[10:29] <sonkey4> as ubuntu no longer offer alternate installs
[10:44] <MoL0ToV> and lubuntu? need minus of 4GB to install?
[10:44] <ztxgpsman> MoL0ToV, I have xubuntu installed on a 4GB stick, I've about 2.5GB free on it.
[10:44] <MoL0ToV> the installer stops and say to me that there are no enough space
[10:45] <baizon> the best sollution is what sonkey4 said
[10:45] <baizon> install the mini and then just add xubuntu-desktop
[11:48] <ChesterX> hello, i can not seem to create a vpn connection. which manager do you recommend?
[11:48] <koegs> Network-Manager, which comes with xubuntu
[11:49] <koegs> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkManager#VPN_support
[14:03] <daswort> Is it right that xfrun4 and xfce-appfinder are both the same, but xfrun starts allways with the `-c` option?
[14:14] <ochosi> daswort: well the two were merged in xfce4.10, before that they were separate programmes
[14:22] <daswort> Thanks.
[14:23] <daswort> BTW: appfinder needs 5 sec to start while thunderbird needs just ~1,2sec. Is is there a mode where it runs but is hiden? Like synapse or gnome do, so i dont have to wait.
[14:26] <ochosi> daswort: yes, after launching it for the first time it should be pretty fast
[14:26] <ochosi> there should be a way of preloading it in the session if i'm not mistaken
[14:27] <daswort> i dont see something like that in its manpage. :(
[14:28] <daswort> Oh, there is already a process in the background. Why does it need so much time? (ಠ_ಠ)
[16:50] <nando29> hi,
[16:52] <nando29> please, I have an enlga-1320  gigabit nic, its supported for xbuntu in gigalan? thx
[18:27] <xubuntu570> hello?
[18:27] <Facetious> hello
[18:27] <xubuntu570> how do you access the windows hard drive from xubuntu?
[18:27] <xubuntu570> i need to access system 32 to find password hash
[18:28] <Facetious> You should be able to see all the partitions in the file manager
[18:28] <xubuntu570> it doesn't have config folder in it.
[18:29] <Facetious> configuration folder?
[18:29] <xubuntu570> im booting xubuntu 12.10 i386 from live cd, and need to crack windows 7 password.
[18:29] <xubuntu570> i dunno what to do since i don't know jack shit about linux
[18:30] <holstein> xubuntu570: i would watch the language, and try using a live CD such as the ulitmate boot cd
[18:30] <holstein> xubuntu570: if the drive is encrypted, i woudnt know how to deal with that
[18:30] <holstein> i usually just mount the drive and recover the data..
[18:30] <xubuntu570> dont have the resources to get ultimate boot cd...
[18:31] <xubuntu570> the hard drive is shown, just not system 32
[18:31] <holstein> maybe its corrupt
[18:31] <xubuntu570> no, i can run windows perfectly fine.
[18:31] <xubuntu570> i just need the admin's password
[18:32] <holstein> xubuntu570: i wuld use a live CD designed for that purpose
[18:32] <holstein> would*
[18:32] <xubuntu570> i only have the cd im currently running.
[18:33] <xubuntu570> what would you suggest to find the password hashes with only this live cd?
[18:34] <holstein> xubuntu570: searching, or asking in a windows channel.. i dont know where those are, and i dont know anything about recovering that info that way
[18:35] <holstein> i have used the ubcd to reset windows passwords.. and quickly too
[18:38] <Bon-chan> guys, can i have some problems if i remove gmusicbrowser using apt --purge?
[18:38] <xubuntu570> should i use ophcrack?
[18:41] <holstein> xubuntu570: i would ask a windows channel to be sure... ask how you are expected to recover that information
[18:41] <holstein> Bon-chan: i would just look and see what is being removed
[20:10] <qasim> hi
[20:12] <qasim> videos do not work properly on my newly installed xubuntu 12.10 OS...help please
[20:18] <Facetious> what do you mean by videos?
[20:19] <qasim> videos of any format .... i cant play them properly..image is blury and the picture hangs
[20:19] <Facetious> are you using gstreamer?
[20:20] <qasim> and its like same even after installing restricted extras
[20:20] <qasim> gstreamer is?
[20:20] <qasim> codec or software to run videos?
[20:21] <Facetious> I think it's the default that comes with xubuntu
[20:21] <Facetious> VLC is what most people use though
[20:21] <qasim> ahan
[20:21] <qasim> i have vlc
[20:22] <qasim> rather i prefer vlc but this problem is with every sort of media player i have
[20:22] <Facetious> maybe a problem with the video drivers then
[20:22] <qasim> moreover
[20:22] <qasim> i cant play any type of video through sm player
[20:23] <qasim> when i try to open any video ...it crashes
[20:24] <Facetious> what sort of video card do you have?
[20:24] <qasim> nvdea ge force 6400
[20:25] <qasim> last time on my previosus xubuntu installation i had installed its driver too
[20:25] <Facetious> do you have compiz?
[20:25] <qasim> the driver worked properly but it dint resolve my problem
[20:26] <qasim> what is compiz ?
[20:26] <Facetious> it's a fancy windows effects thing
[20:26] <qasim> no
[20:26] <Facetious> there's a bug that makes videos not work when desktop effects are on or compiz
[20:27] <qasim> does that compiz thingie comes default with xubunu?
[20:27] <qasim> xubuntu*
[20:27] <Facetious> no
[20:27] <qasim> well i dont have it then
[20:28] <Facetious> maybe desktop effects are on?
[20:29] <qasim> i dont thin so
[20:30] <qasim> think*
[20:30] <qasim> how to chk that
[20:30] <Facetious> I think you need compiz anyways for that
[20:31] <qasim> ahan
[20:31] <Facetious> I really can't help you other than tell you to check xorg.conf for anything and maybe reinstall the codec packages
[20:31] <Facetious> sorry
[20:32] <Zelouille> qasim: maybe try to disable the Compositor (in the window manager settings)
[20:33] <qasim> okay let me find that manager
[20:37] <Zelouille> qasim: « window manager tweaks » sorry. Last tab.
[20:38] <qasim> ok\
[20:46] <qasim> Zelouille,  im soooo very greatful ...it was frigging compositer..thx heaps
[20:53] <Zelouille> qasim: you're welcome. But you should thanks Facetious, i would not have suspected the "fancy windows effects" to be the source of the problem.
[20:54] <qasim> aww nice...thx Facetious ..you both were great help to me