[19:38] <KimK> th0r, iceroot: That worked, Synaptic is back, thanks!
[19:38] <iter> hardy is still LTS supported
[19:38] <iceroot> !eol | iter
[19:38] <iceroot> iter: last link
[19:38] <iter> yes I have read that
[19:39] <iter> it appears do-release-upgrade still points to archive.ubuntu.com and not old-releases so it blows up
[19:39] <iter> I can do it the debian way and just change it to hardy in sources.list but I would rather do it the 'right' way with do-release-upgrade
[19:40] <iter> sorry I just realise I said edgy and not hardy in my initial question
[19:40] <iceroot> iter: yes because do-release-upgrade is executing post and preup scripts
[19:40] <iter> the upshot of my question is "what is the right way to go dapper to hardy" now that dapper is EOL
[19:41] <iter> I can do it the debian way but I just wonder if there is a ubuntu way to handle it
[19:41] <tyrone> Hi people, noob question, how do I reset unity to all the default settings?
[19:41] <inimesekene> Hello
[19:42] <Wavesonics> huh, i just installed sendmail, and now I'm getting 403s on all my virtual hosts, any idea why that would be?
[19:42] <inimesekene> where's the mouse acceleration info stored in Gnome/Unity?
[19:42] <iceroot> Wavesonics: sounds like .htaccess
[19:42] <iceroot> Wavesonics: or the owner changed
[19:42] <iter> no answers?
[19:43] <inimesekene> need to delete that, beacause I don't like my custom settings anymore
[19:43] <iceroot> Wavesonics: /var/log/apache2/error.log should show what went wrong
[19:43] <iter> I can't be the only person with this problem, there are a ton of old dapper machines out there still
[19:43] <FunnyLookinHat> I'm using the Monitor Preferences screen to setup my external monitor on my laptop - but I don't see any options to get my gnome panels and whatnot to be on the external monitor instead of the internal...   any suggestions?
[19:43] <vlt> Hello. Can anyone help me with compiling linux, please?
[19:43] <iceroot> iter: so the problem is that the update manager is not reading your changes in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[19:43] <vlt> I just cloned a xen/stable-2.6.32.x repo. What do I need to do next to get an x86_64 xen dom0 kernel?
[19:43] <iceroot> vlt: ##linux
[19:43] <iceroot> vlt: and #xen
[19:43] <iter> do-release-upgrade has a logfile
[19:44] <vlt> iceroot: Thanks.
[19:44] <iter> I will pastebin it one sec
[19:44] <cypha> how can I make the scrollbar less annoying?
[19:44] <cypha> I want it to become visible sooner
[19:44] <cypha> and when approaching a window from the left side of the right border, and on the right side of the right border (it currently only shows up when approaching from the left side of the right border)
[19:44] <iter> http://pastebin.com/1kGeNNcL
[19:44] <FunnyLookinHat> I found that I can set it with "xrandr --output HDMI1 --primary" - but I'd like to automate it :)
[19:45] <redfox> has someone be able to use ubuntu in a windows domain so that passwords get synchronized?
[19:45] <Chaser> Any work arounds to have evolution connect to exchange server ? I am hitting bug #25106 it was marked as expired.
[19:45] <Wavesonics> iceroot, owner hasnt changed. hmm... i did change something from / to /home, cant remember where it was though :(
[19:46] <ThinkT510> iter: why didn't you update when dapper was supported?
[19:46] <iceroot> Chaser: if it still affects you reopen the bug with details
[19:46] <iter> ThinkT510: not my machine, thanks for asking
[19:47] <Chaser> iceroot, cool will do it thanks.
[19:47] <ThinkT510> iter: its my guess that the url it is pointing to no longer exists
[19:48] <iter> ThinkT510: thanks, I got that from the 404 error
[19:48] <iter> the question is how to do this upgrade the ubuntu way
[19:48] <wildbat> ThinkT510: may be DL the CD and update from there
[19:48] <iter> I tried just forcing archive to the old-releases ip via /etc/hosts but that did not work
[19:49] <iridium> any good iptables manual out there?
[19:49] <ThinkT510> wildbat: what cd? dapper?
[19:50] <FunnyLookinHat> iridium, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo  ??  :D
[19:50] <iceroot> iridium: man iptables
[19:50] <FunnyLookinHat> iridium, truth be told, I use Firestarter on a desktop - otherwise I just copy other configs that I've done in the past.  :)
[19:50] <sounddontwork> i installed ubuntu10.10, it doesnt seem to make MIDI of my soundcard work
[19:50] <Wavesonics> oh boy i messed something up good...
[19:51] <mynameisdeleted> atrix 4g webtop adaptor for android is appearantly an ubuntu-based linux distro for arm.. anyone tried it and compared its performance to ubuntu on an x86 laptop?
[19:51] <sounddontwork> i can play mp3 though
[19:51] <wildbat> ThinkT510: no, the next LTS
[19:51] <sounddontwork> how can i make the MIDI sequencer of my sound card available?
[19:51] <iridium> just what I was looking for, thank you both :)
[19:51] <ThinkT510> wildbat: did you look at his log?
[19:51] <mynameisdeleted> anyone know how ubuntu performance might compare between dual-core arm processor and powerpc processor and laptop intel procesor?
[19:51] <sounddontwork> i have realtek HDA audio*
[19:52] <sounddontwork> hello can anyone help please
[19:53] <iceroot> mynameisdeleted: ##hardware  because the cpu speed is more a hardware-question then an ubuntu question
[19:54] <hwilde> why did my audio stop working today!%!%
[19:54] <xelister> hi, what to install to provide more debug information to like:
[19:54] <xelister> 0x00007f25924f918b in ?? () from /usr/lib/libpango-1.0.so.0
[19:54] <xelister> hwilde: trolololo
[19:55] <hwilde> did some update today break audio support ?
[19:55] <sounddontwork> hello can anyone help MIDI work on my realtek HDA audio chip using ubuntu10.10
[19:56] <biami> what is the channel for gcc?
[19:57] <cypha> how do you switch back to X from ctrl+alt+f1?
[19:57] <hwilde> ctrl+alt+f7
[19:57] <FunnyLookinHat> cypha, f7
[19:57] <hwilde> did some update today break audio support ?
[19:57] <biami> how do i set up openGL in gcc?
[19:57] <cypha> thanks!
[19:58] <sounddontwork> my midi doesnt work
[19:58] <FunnyLookinHat> hwilde, Try this in a console: "ubuntu-bug audio"
[19:58] <sounddontwork> helpppppppppppppppppppppppppp
[19:58] <FunnyLookinHat> hwilde, should help troubleshoot :D
[19:58] <ThinkT510> !help | sounddontwork
[19:59] <sounddontwork> well i installed ubuntu10.10. audio plays but the MIDI sequencer of my audio chip realtek hda audio doesnt function
[19:59] <hwilde> wtf it worked yesterday and this morning
[20:00] <FunnyLookinHat> ThinkT510, hey - You don't have nVidia Optimus graphics by any chance, do you ?
[20:00] <hwilde> now it says   "You don't seem to have configured PulseAudio to use the card you want output from (Internal Audio - HDA Intel).  You can fix that using pavucontrol or the GNOME volume control"
[20:00] <sounddontwork> ThinkT510 and ubottu did you read my question
[20:00] <FunnyLookinHat> ThinkT510, Trying to get bumblebee to work - it disabled my nVidia fine, but optirun doesn't seem to like my current config...  :D
[20:00] <th0r> hwilde: did you try that?
[20:00] <ThinkT510> FunnyLookinHat: not that i'm aware of: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GT218 [NVS 3100M] (rev a2)
[20:00] <FunnyLookinHat> hwilde, Click the sound icon at the top, then click Preferenecs
[20:01] <FunnyLookinHat> hwilde, Choose the correct output device - it got switched somehow it seems.
[20:01] <FunnyLookinHat> hwilde, Happens every once in a while
[20:01] <FunnyLookinHat> ThinkT510, Ah ok  :D
[20:01] <hwilde> why the F did that change during an update
[20:01] <th0r> another whiner
[20:02] <noman> I have a fresh install of 11.04 on my DM3 HP Notebook. Unfortunately, the graphics don't work and neither does the mic in Skype. I tried installing the ATi driver from ATI's site using sh installer.run but the graphics are still choppy and laggy and it is evident the driver isn't working. I would really appreciate any help regarding this. Thank you.
[20:03] <FunnyLookinHat> !ati | noman
[20:04] <FunnyLookinHat> noman, Try following the instructions there?  Your best bet would be to install drivers from the repositories rather than trying to configure them yourself...  Also - make sure you restart X for the changes to go into effect.
[20:06] <noman> FunnyLookinHat, iM using the properitary driver under ADDITIONAL DRIVERS and its currently active
[20:06] <noman> FunnyLookinHat, I have rebooted several times, do I still have to restart X?
[20:06] <FunnyLookinHat> noman, Ah strange - and you're still getting very bad performance?   Have you restarted X since activating?  Sometimes that can display screwy statuses (i.e. active when it's not)
[20:07] <FunnyLookinHat> noman, Oh no
[20:07] <FunnyLookinHat> Rebooting restarts X.
[20:07] <FunnyLookinHat> Hmm
[20:07] <noman> It's really choppy and laggy
[20:07] <FunnyLookinHat> noman, Give me a sec...
[20:07] <noman> FunnyLookinHat, Thank you.
[20:08] <FunnyLookinHat> noman, Can you visit this page and select your specific graphics card to verify that fglrx supports it ?  http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx
[20:08] <noman> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS780M/RS780MN [Radeon HD 3200 Graphics]
[20:08] <noman> let me check
[20:09] <noman> FunnyLookinHat, Yup, that's the driver that I have.
[20:10] <FunnyLookinHat> noman, And you're on 64bit or 32 ?
[20:10] <noman> 32
[20:10] <FunnyLookinHat> noman, Hmm ok
[20:11] <nicofs> I try to install libc6 but all i get is "dpkg: error processing libc6" - can anyone help?
[20:11] <VolodymyrB> hi, is there /etc/init.d log?
[20:12] <FunnyLookinHat> noman, Well - you could try de-activating through the "Additional Drivers" tool and then installing this tool: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx
[20:12] <FunnyLookinHat> noman, wait
[20:13] <FunnyLookinHat> noman, Can you run this in a terminal and tell me what it says ?   fglrxinfo
[20:13] <FunnyLookinHat> via pastebin please
[20:13] <noman> FunnyLookinHat, I tried that first because I had no properitary drivers appearing before. When I installed that, X wouldnt start so I uninstalled that and rebooted and voila I could see properitary drivers which I activated but it was no use
[20:13] <noman> ATI something something
[20:13] <noman> with all details
[20:13] <FunnyLookinHat> noman, ah ok.
[20:13] <FunnyLookinHat> Well...
[20:13] <FunnyLookinHat> Then it's "working"
[20:13] <FunnyLookinHat> Sadly.
[20:14] <FunnyLookinHat> You might be better off disabling and running w/ the open source driver instead.
[20:14] <noman> how do I do that?
[20:15] <edbian> noman: what card do you have?
[20:15] <chilversc> does chromium not support webm out of the box?
[20:15] <edbian> noman: What driver are you currently using?
[20:16] <noman> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS780M/RS780MN [Radeon HD 3200 Graphics]
[20:16] <noman> ATI catalyst properitary driver from ADDITIONAL DRIVERS
[20:16] <noman> which I just removed, by the way
[20:16] <edbian> noman: Alright, for the record I think the additional drivers tool is buggy and confusing.
[20:16] <edbian> noman: You removed the driver?
[20:16] <noman> From the Additional Drivers tool, yes
[20:17] <edbian> noman: let's try using the open source driver?
[20:17] <edbian> noman: sudo apt-get install xorg-xserver-video-radeon
[20:17] <noman> okay, how do I do that?
[20:17] <noman> just a second
[20:17] <chilversc> yeah, the additional drivers thing kept breaking ubuntu for me when ever I activated the nvidia driver
[20:17] <edbian> noman: sure
[20:17] <edbian> chilversc: It is buggy at best
[20:17] <noman> edbian, Unable to locate that package
[20:18] <edbian> noman: Yeah, I guessed at the name and guessed wrong.
[20:18] <FunnyLookinHat> edbian, Ah thanks for helping noman - went AFK for a bit - gonna have to be AFK a while longer...  good luck noman
[20:18] <FunnyLookinHat> :D
[20:18] <chilversc> edbian: sure, but then it really shouldn't have "[recommended]" by it :)
[20:18] <edbian> noman: It's xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[20:18] <noman> FunnyLookinHat, Thanks :D
[20:18] <edbian> FunnyLookinHat: sure
[20:18] <edbian> chilversc: I don't think the driver is at fault.  Just the tool :P
[20:18] <edbian> noman: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=radeon&searchon=names&suite=natty&section=all
[20:18] <noman> edbian, it says it's already the newest version
[20:18] <edbian> noman: That's how I found the name.
[20:18] <krise> hi
[20:18] <krise> how to fix subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[20:18] <chilversc> ah, still, it doesn't make for a great first introduction to ubuntu to have it promptly destroy itself :)
[20:18] <edbian> noman: great, sudo apt-get purge fglrx  (that removes the proprietary driver)
[20:19] <edbian> noman: Is this machine online right now?
[20:19] <noman> edbian, yes, this is the one
[20:19] <edbian> noman: can you pastebin the output of lsmod and sudo lspci -k for me?
[20:19] <noman> edbian, just a second please
[20:20] <wols_> krise: check the actual error and fix that
[20:20] <edbian> noman: After I have the pastebin and you've purged fglrx then reboot.  What are the symptoms we're experiencing that are making us switch drivers anyway?
[20:20] <edbian> noman: waiting...
[20:20] <DrGrov> Evening
[20:20] <noman> edbian, Its laggy and choppy like there is no display driver :(
[20:20] <noman> http://pastebin.com/UHzacGK4
[20:20] <DrGrov> Is it possible to get LibreOffice on 10.04?
[20:21] <DrGrov> Or am I stuck with OpenOffice?
[20:21] <edbian> noman: ok, I think we'll notice an immediate change then.
[20:21] <edbian> noman: reading...
[20:21] <iceroot> DrGrov: a ppa should provide libreoffice or the backports
[20:21] <noman> edbian, and http://pastebin.com/hrUCnVn5
[20:21] <noman> thank you :)
[20:21] <edbian> noman: reading...
[20:21] <DrGrov> iceroot: Can I have both OpenOffice and LibreOffice installed at the same time?
[20:22] <iceroot> DrGrov: why?
[20:22] <edbian> noman: You are indeed using fglrx (additional drivers didn't lie :) )
[20:22] <iceroot> DrGrov: thats like installing iceweasel and firefox
[20:22] <DrGrov> iceroot: I would like to test LibreOffice out first to see whether it is better than OpenOffice
[20:22] <DrGrov> iceroot: I like to have both installed. Is that possible or not?
[20:22] <iceroot> DrGrov: libreoffice is better because its real free software instead of openoffice
[20:23] <noman> edbian, I clicked REMOVE in Additional Drivers and now it says its not active. PURGING says 0 removed etc. etc. and said do an 'autoremove' and so I did.
[20:23] <wols_> DrGrov: on linux, it hasn't been openoffice for a long time, it always was openoffice+GoOO patches. and now that is called libreoffice
[20:23] <DrGrov> iceroot: But my question still remains. Can I have them installed both at the same time or not?
[20:23] <edbian> noman: ok.
[20:23] <edbian> noman: restart
[20:23] <iceroot> DrGrov: i dont know
[20:23] <DrGrov> wols_: Ah ok, I mainly thinking since I might recommend it for my better half on her Macbook as well.
[20:23] <wols_> DrGrov: you can. if you can have them both installed from .deb packages is another matter
[20:23] <iceroot> DrGrov: normally it should work but maybe the packages have a "conflict" set to each other
[20:24] <Polah> DrGrov: Yes, most likely. I can't think of why they would conflict.
[20:24] <noman> edbian, okay, brb
[20:24] <edbian> noman: waiting...
[20:24] <DrGrov> wols_: Ok, thanks. I might test it. Can always just remove one of them if there is a conflict.
[20:24] <wols_> DrGrov: mac users hate openoffice. a lot. I don't even think there is a proper version of it for OSX. openoffice or libreoffice both
[20:24] <DrGrov> iceroot: Great, that is what I was thinking about. A conflict I have no time for right now :)
[20:24] <wols_> DrGrov: for OSX there is NeoOffice
[20:24] <DrGrov> Polah: Ok, I will give it a go.
[20:25] <DrGrov> wols_: My better half does like OpenOffice but definitely I will change it for her since it is acting up and not really optimal in any aspect. It is ok but nothing more.
[20:25] <iceroot> DrGrov: "conflicts" in a debian package doesnt mean destroying anything or crashing
[20:26] <DrGrov> iceroot: Ah, I see. I always had an issue with "conflicts" meaning that it just breaks down and refuses to work :(
[20:26] <iceroot> DrGrov: no
[20:26] <wols_> if it conflicts, it usually doesn't even install unless you force it very hard
[20:26] <DrGrov> wols_: What does NeoOffice provide? Can it provide enough for university studies and what that requires in terms of usability? Spreadsheets, word editor and presentation maker?
[20:27] <iceroot> DrGrov: e.g. conflicts : libreoffice   means that openoffice cant be installed together with libreoffice, so openoffice will remove libreoffice first. its a debhelper-method
[20:27] <DrGrov> wols_: I like to force things :)
[20:27] <DrGrov> iceroot: Ah, I am enlightened now :) So one removes the other if there is issues?
[20:27] <DrGrov> iceroot: Roger that :)
[20:27] <iceroot> DrGrov: if the field "conflicts" is set, yes
[20:28] <noman> edbian, Appears to be slightly better than before but nothing too much :.
[20:28] <DrGrov> iceroot: That should be set automatically yes even if I use a PPA for LibreOffice?
[20:28] <edbian> noman: run glxgears
[20:28] <edbian> noman: Does it run?
[20:28] <iceroot> DrGrov: depending on the package
[20:28] <edbian> noman: Can you see new pastebins of lspci -k and lsmod ?
[20:28] <edbian> noman: You can put them in onepastebin together if it's easier
[20:28] <jason_> So, I've got an EC2 instance that refuses to boot due to the kernel not being shared publicly anymore.  Any attempt to use a different kernel results in an unreachable instance, any one run into this in the past?
[20:28] <DrGrov> iceroot: Ok, so an official LibreOffice PPA set from Ubuntu Tweak can be regarded as a "safe" PPA?
[20:29] <jaybee_> Is scsiadd available in 11.04? Or is there a different program that does the same?
[20:29] <milen8204> I have tried to install Ubuntu 11.04 and an error occurs
[20:29] <iceroot> !info scsiadd
[20:29] <noman> edbian, Yup, glxgears is running. Let me post pastebins
[20:29] <edbian> noman: sure...
[20:29] <tfdev> Hey all, installed ubuntu about a week ago (first time linux user) and it seems that on occasion my audio device will be "dropped". From system settings, I noticed that im using "dummy output" wat do?
[20:29] <iceroot> DrGrov: sorry dont know if it is a safe ressource
[20:30] <iceroot> DrGrov: save == official supported
[20:30] <tfdev> I would think I need to get drivers, but have noooo idea how to do it
[20:30] <milen8204> uncompression  error
[20:30] <noman> edbian, http://pastebin.com/gHxSnBEi
[20:30] <rhino> Hi. When I try to update grub, it says - error: cannot stat 'aufs'. Help!
[20:30] <edbian> tfdev: come in, see this, wat do?
[20:30] <yoyoned> tfdev: what kind of sound device
[20:31] <noman> edbian, http://pastebin.com/hriPkyJT
[20:31] <tfdev> yoyoned: its an integrated sound card. My notebook was the Asus k60ij. I was running win7 for the longest time
[20:31] <tfdev> yoyoned: everything i looked for online gives no details about the card itself
[20:31] <edbian> noman: we are definitely now using the radeon driver, before we were definitely using fgrlx (proprietary driver)
[20:31] <DrGrov> iceroot: No worries, I will test to see whether it works or not. Trial by error is a proven method :)
[20:31] <tfdev> edbian: how do you do?
[20:33] <rhino> Hi. When I try to update grub, it says - error: cannot stat 'aufs'. Help!
[20:33] <noman> edbian, Great. Is there anything else I can do to make it better?
[20:33] <DrGrov> iceroot: It says with Ubuntu Tweak when I go into Source Center that the LibreOffice PPA is "LibreOffice test builds and backports".
[20:33] <DrGrov> iceroot: Should that be a good one to try?
[20:33] <rhino> Something about sector 32 and 33 being used by flexnet, whatever that is.
[20:34] <edbian> noman: I don't think so :(
[20:34] <edbian> noman: ask for more detail in #radeon
[20:34] <jaybee_> iceroot, any ideas?
[20:40] <tfdev> edbian: hey I dont suppose you have any tips to get my audio hardware device recognized by ubuntu?
[20:42] <Rockstar88> hi
[20:42] <Rockstar88> evening people
[20:43] <coz_> hey
[20:43] <Rockstar88> i was wondering whether they give courses for ubuntu
[20:43] <smad> What isc polish canal ubuntu ?
[20:43] <coz_> Rockstar88,  ah I believe there are certification courses
[20:43] <coz_> smad,  that's a new one on me
[20:43] <Rockstar88> thanks coz_`, do u know where i can find it
[20:43] <coz_> Rockstar88,  hold on let me check
[20:44] <mina2> let me repeat. i installed ubuntu 10.10. the MIDI synthesizer of my soundcard doesnt work. my soundcard chip is Realtek HDA Audio as shown under Windows. How can I make the MIDI system work?
[20:44] <smad> coza_ what?
[20:44] <coz_> Rockstar88,    http://www.ubuntu.com/support/training
[20:44] <Rockstar88> thanks coz_, let me have a look
[20:45] <rpay424> is there any way to recreate a private from a public key for SSH?
[20:45] <p01son> yep
[20:45] <mina2> hello
[20:45] <j3roth> mina2: Have you tried using 11.04?
[20:46] <smad> Jest tu jakiś polak ??
[20:46] <Pici> !pl | smad
[20:46] <j3roth> rpay424:No, that would make private keys useless.
[20:46] <smad> thenks
[20:46] <p01son> mina2 , use synaptic pacage manager
[20:46] <rpay424> j3roth: k, thanks
[20:46] <lonix> good night folks
[20:46] <j3roth> rpay424:Np
[20:47] <Rockstar88> coz_, am a begginer but wanna know more, not sure which e learning is better for me ?
[20:47] <coz_> Rockstar88,  you mean from that link?
[20:48] <Rockstar88> yes coz_
[20:48] <coz_> Rockstar88,  I would read through the course descriptions first,, then decide if e learning is bettfor you or not
[20:49] <p01son> rock.. , if you wanna learn anything about open source  take one of gnu/linux distros :D
[20:49] <sgrier> Rockstar88: Try the LPI courses http://lpi.org/eng/training__1
[20:49] <coz_> Rockstar88,  the only problem I see is that most of the courses are held in europe most particularly Great britain
[20:49] <coz_> unfortunate
[20:49] <Rockstar88> i am in uk
[20:49] <Rockstar88> so its ok
[20:49] <Monotoko> hmmm...amsn vid chat isn't working...does anyone how I can do video chat in MSN on Linux? :)
[20:49] <Rockstar88> cant seem to find anytthing in uk
[20:49] <coz_> Rockstar88,  ah ok then you are a big step ahead
[20:50] <sgrier> Rockstar88: The LPI courses are distro neutral
[20:50] <p01son> monotoko have you tried wine
[20:51] <Monotoko> p01son, Windows Live Messenger doesn't work in wine...I checked the appDB
[20:51] <Rockstar88> sgrier - thats good
[20:51] <Rockstar88> is it in uk, sgrier
[20:51] <p01son> what distro you are using
[20:51] <DrGrov> Well, I shall be strangely amused about this
[20:52] <sgrier> Rockstar88: yep, pretty sure you can find LPI courses in the UK. Refer to the LPI site
[20:52] <DrGrov> I removed OpenOffice and added the LibreOffice PPA and tried installing but it says "E: Package libreoffice has no installation candidate"
[20:52] <coz_> DrGrov,  was the ppa for your version of ubuntu?
[20:52] <Rockstar88> sgrier- ok mate
[20:52] <DrGrov> coz_: Yes it does seem like that. I use this website to do it. I got 10.04
[20:52] <p01son> hmm Monotoko , theres a distor of linux which run all the programs of windows including msn messenger
[20:53] <DrGrov> coz_: http://ulyssesonline.com/2011/07/19/remove-openoffice-install-libreoffice/
[20:53] <Monotoko> p01son, how long ago was that?
[20:53] <coz_> DrGrov,  open a terminal   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:53] <coz_> DrGrov,  then after that is fin ished  try  sudo apt-get install libreoffice
[20:53] <p01son> Monotoko , I don't know
[20:54] <DrGrov> coz_: You sure about that dist-upgrade? I heard it is bad news everytime to do a dist-upgrade
[20:54] <coz_> DrGrov,  I do it all the time,,, there should be no issues
[20:54] <DrGrov> coz_: Ok, I try to do it
[20:54] <p01son> Monotoko, http://linuxtracker.org/ try this
[20:54] <coz_> DrGrov,  you can do sudo apt-get safe-upgrade  I believe
[20:54] <p01son> Monotoko , hey you can better run skype !
[20:55] <DrGrov> coz_: No safe-upgrade option. Invalid operation safe-upgrade.
[20:55] <V3NG3NC3> Hola
[20:55] <coz_> DrGrov,  ok
[20:55] <Yuukon> HI there, can anybody help me out? Got a friend without a networkmanager tray icon and he wants it back.
[20:55] <DrGrov> coz_: Ok, it is done. Nothing changed, no upgrades
[20:55] <V3NG3NC3> anyone cans help with open-wrt?
[20:55] <Yuukon> On the netbook version.
[20:56] <coz_> DrGrov,  mmm ok try the sudo apt-get install libreoffice now
[20:56] <DrGrov> coz_: Does not work.
[20:56] <DrGrov> coz_: Something must be wrong somewhere
[20:56] <coz_> DrGrov,  ok hold on
[20:56] <nit-wit> DrGrov, not to interupt, did you remove the OO file in home?
[20:56] <DrGrov> nit-wit: Ah, the .openoffice dir you mean?
[20:56] <j3roth> Yuukon, have you tried right clicking your top panel, Add to panel -> Indicator Applet?
[20:56] <nit-wit> DrGrov, when you remove OO you run a purge removal then the file in home.
[20:56] <DrGrov> nit-wit: I just removed with "rm -rf .openoffice.org"
[20:57] <V3NG3NC3> bular?
[20:57] <Yuukon> Not yet, j3roth , will try now
[20:57] <coz_> DrGrov,  in terminal   try  sudo apt-get purge openoffice*.*
[20:57] <p01son> Monotoko , are you there
[20:57] <Monotoko> p01son, I usually use Skype but my friend only uses MSN >.>
[20:57] <nit-wit> coz_, sorry to interject OO can be a pain to remove. ;)
[20:57] <DrGrov> coz_: Could not find package openoffice*.*
[20:58] <DrGrov> nit-wit: Nothing yet on libreoffice when I do sudo apt-get install libreoffice even though I removed .openoffice.org
[20:58] <DrGrov> Argh!
[20:58] <coz_> DrGrov,  ok  mm... see if  sudo apt-get install libreoffice-gnome is available
[20:58] <j3roth> Monotoko, enlighten your friend on the joys of skype.
[20:59] <nit-wit> DrGrov, I would try using synaptic you will get errors shown there probably.
[20:59] <p01son> Monotoko , well ..........
[20:59] <DrGrov> coz_: Not available
[20:59] <nit-wit> DrGrov, you have run a update since adding the ppa?
[20:59] <Yuukon> j3roth, its not working, what do we do now?
[20:59] <Rockstar88> still cant figure which course to take for the e learning
[20:59] <coz_> DrGrov,  for some reason the packages in that repository are not there   in terminal  gksudo  /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:59] <coz_> DrGrov,  see if the libreoffice ppa is listed there
[21:00] <DrGrov> nit-wit: Yes, I did a sudo apt-get update
[21:00] <nit-wit> DrGrov, I think coz_ has you covered
[21:00] <coz_> DrGrov,  let me know if that ppa is actually in the sources list
[21:01] <V3NG3NC3> anyone know the support room for W-wrt?
[21:01] <j3roth> Yuukon you are using the netbook version you said?
[21:01] <V3NG3NC3> X-wrt*
[21:01] <Yuukon> Yes j3roth, netbook version, we just switched from unity to gnome
[21:01] <DrGrov> coz_: Not there it seems
[21:01] <coz_> DrGrov,  ok hold on
[21:01] <Pyraine> I seem to have broke my alsa by following this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1073090
[21:02] <Mandrew> Yuukon, netbook version of which distro? just entered the channel
[21:02] <DrGrov> coz_: Looks a bit funny I must say
[21:02] <Pyraine> does anyone know how I can fix it?
[21:02] <j3roth> Yuukon, any reason you use the netbook version over standard ubuntu? I had issues with the netbook version on my wifes netbook, and then installed standard ubuntu with no issue.
[21:02] <Yuukon> Of Ubuntu, Mandrew
[21:02] <coz_> DrGrov,  the sources list looks funny?
[21:02] <Mandrew> Yuukon, do you have a link for that version?
[21:02] <DrGrov> coz_: No, it looks ok. But there is a few uncomment options there which I could uncomment to add more repositories.
[21:02] <Pyraine> I don't even have alsamixer anymore
[21:02] <Yuukon> j3roth, this is a friends laptop, so no, I dont know
[21:03] <DrGrov> coz_: Let us take PM, I can not follow very well with all the text coming along all the time
[21:03] <coz_> DrGrov,  paste then entire sources list here   http://paste.ubuntu.com/   Paste it and give me link
[21:03] <Yuukon> j3roth, all we need is the indicator back, which has disappeared all of a sudden. Any idea how we can get it back? <-- Also, Mandrew , if youcan help, please do so.
[21:03] <j3roth> Yuukon, so when you hit add applet, it does nothing or do you get an error?
[21:03] <DrGrov> coz_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/651984/
[21:04] <Yuukon> It gives a blue questionmark icon j3roth, but except for that email etc
[21:04] <Mandrew> Yuukon, im looking myself for a good netbook OS so thats the reason for me asking ;)
[21:04] <Yuukon> We've got that twice now j3roth
[21:04] <j3roth> okay one second
[21:04] <Yuukon> I see Mandrew, its downloadable on the ubuntu site
[21:04] <Yuukon> Thank you j3roth
[21:05] <BenjamiX> Evenin'
[21:05] <coz_> DrGrov,  yes you can un-comment the ubuntu lucid partner repos
[21:05] <DrGrov> coz_: Ok, hold on. I need to find the darn thing :)
[21:05] <coz_> DrGrov,  you just had it opened :)
[21:05] <Mandrew> Yuukon, is it ubuntu 11.04 your thinking of? or is it a special version just for netbooks?
[21:05] <DrGrov> coz_: Yes but to find exactly that is a tidy bit difficult. PM coming through
[21:06] <Yuukon> Mandrew, if you go to the ubuntu site you should be able to find it there
[21:06] <danub> hey, stupid question. if i dont like unity, i can still install gnome/kde/flux on top of it right?
[21:06] <j3roth> Yuukon, try reloading the gnome-panel program. open terminal and run "killall gnome-panel"
[21:06] <Yuukon> danub, at loggin in you click your name and in the down panel you can select "Ubuntu Classic" which is the gnome
[21:06] <coz_> DrGrov,  you can open synaptic package manager,,, Settings/ repositories and in the third party tab  disable   or enable them t here
[21:06] <edbian> danub: yes, gnome is already installed all you have to do is log into it
[21:06] <danub> Yuukon: ok
[21:06] <j3roth> Yuukon, that should reload the panel automatically, if not just run gnome-panel
[21:06] <Yuukon> Will do j3roth
[21:06] <DrGrov> coz_: Ok, that is way easier.
[21:07] <madsj> why is there no standard package in ubuntu 10.10 for the Go programming language? it seems stupid that it's so hard to setup the environment compared to haskell or other programming languages
[21:07] <madsj> (which usually just require a single aptitude command, and bing, you're able to use it)
[21:07] <edbian> madsj: It's very new and not very common I think
[21:07] <BenjamiX> danub: when you log in to your account ubuntu, on the lower bar choose Ubuntu Classic
[21:07] <jhobbs> I have a DNS server i'd like to be used prior to the DNS servers I get back from DHCP.  I can edit /etc/resolv.conf but it doesn't last for long - is there a way to make that change permanent?
[21:08] <madsj> edbian: the language seems quite nice, though; mainly it was for toying around with it
[21:08] <edbian> madsj: I agree :)
[21:08] <Yuukon> j3roth, it reloaded but still no network indicator
[21:08] <danub> yuukon, did you add it to the panel?
[21:09] <Yuukon> Its not in de addable list danub
[21:09] <qin> jhobbs: change atribute of file, lsattr
[21:09] <j3roth> Danub, when he adds the applet to the panel, nothing happens.
[21:09] <Yuukon> j3roth, I'm a she, and no, its not working.
[21:09] <jhobbs> qin that works until i take my laptop to another network
[21:09] <j3roth> Yuukon, my apologies.
[21:10] <qin> jhobbs: hm...
[21:10] <Yuukon> Lol its fine j3roth
[21:10] <Yuukon> Any idea on what else we can do j3roth ?
[21:11] <j3roth> Yuukon, you could always rename your /home/USER/.gnome2 folder. It should regenerate a fresh configuration on reboot.
[21:11] <Guest59162> hello everyone. could someone help me with combining NAT and SOCKS proxy?
[21:11] <Yuukon> Okay j3roth
[21:11] <sudokill> is there any way to get thunar to delete directly by pressing delete, rather than go to trash?
[21:11] <danub> lol i cant even run unity anyway. says i dont have the hardware for it and kicks me to gnome
[21:12] <edbian> danub: :P
[21:13] <danub> screw it, since i know i can get back into gnome if i dont like unity (i have heard i wont since i wasn't a fan of the netbook version), i can just upgrade and select classic instead
[21:13] <j3roth> Yuukon, if all else fails, you should be able to run a: rm -rf .gnome .gnome2 .gconf .gconfd .metacity
[21:13] <edbian> danub: That's right
[21:13] <Yuukon> You can, danub,even without upgrading
[21:14] <j3roth> Yuukon, run that from the users home directory.
[21:14] <Yuukon> Okeydokey, j3roth
[21:14] <j3roth> Yuukon, that would be a last resort.
[21:14] <Yuukon> Thanks for your help/time, j3roth , much appreciated.
[21:14] <j3roth> Yuukon, no problem, if it doesnt work theres a few other things you can try. Just let me know.
[21:15] <Yuukon> Will do, j3roth, thank you.
[21:15] <tfdev> Hey all, i installed linux for the first time about a week ago on my asus k60ij. Occasionally my audio device seems to be "dropped" by the machine. System settings tells me i dont have a device installed, and is outputting audio through the dummy interface. How can i install my audio device for better support?
[21:15] <j3roth> tfdev, what version of ubuntu and what audio card is it?
[21:16] <tfdev> Natty and im not sure. No support online, only saying "integrated audio card"
[21:17] <tfdev> When running windows7 i think i remember seeing realtek
[21:17] <danub> anyone notice how "ubuntu classic" looks like crap verus the old gnome?
[21:17] <edbian> danub: It looks identical to 10.10
[21:17] <edbian> danub: I have noticed a bug that it sometimes looks ugly.  Try logging out and back in.
[21:17] <Yuukon> j3roth, its still not working. Any other idea's?
[21:18] <edbian> danub: Like the themeing turned all gray and square
[21:18] <danub> i disagree. the screen reminds me of the old CDE desktop on an SGI server
[21:18] <j3roth> Yuukon, yes try creating a new user, log in as that user and see if the panel shows up.
[21:18] <j3roth> Yuukon, that will help us narrow the problem down.
[21:18] <danub> edbian: exactly. grey, boxes are bevelled, it looks like a gui i would have written
[21:18] <Yuukon> Will do j3roth
[21:19] <edbian> danub: ha, try logging out and back in
[21:19] <Yuukon> Just got a message that didnt work before, j3roth
[21:19] <danub> did that. I'm going to restart the vm
[21:19] <edbian> danub: I'm not sure, try manually changing the theme
[21:19] <j3roth> Yuukon, so it doesnt work if you create a new user?
[21:19] <Yuukon> No it doesnt j3roth
[21:20] <chmj> who is at oscon?
[21:20] <chmj>  /join #ubuntu-za
[21:20] <chmj> oops
[21:20] <j3roth> Yuukon, imho and experience this type of problem is solved the easiest by installing Standard Ubuntu. I know its  a pain, but ive had problems with that distro.
[21:20] <silare> Is there a 'base' editable file for if I wanted to make my own Faenza-style icon?
[21:21] <Yuukon> We're gonna get a reinstall instead, thank you anyway, j3roth :)
[21:22] <j3roth> Yuukon, my sincerest apologies I could not answer your question. Good luck!
[21:22] <Yuukon> Thanks a lot you too, j3roth , much appreciated.
[21:23] <backbox> hello
[21:24] <HelloWorld321> My Ubuntu Software Center appears to be stuck at 50% of "Eclipse, Applying changes".  Just wait longer?
[21:25] <edbian> HelloWorld321: You can cancel it if you want.  I can help you recover from any breakage.
[21:25] <AndChat-> J3roth: have any idea as too my earlier problem
[21:25] <dimas_> could someone tell me how you make a living when the programs you make are free?
[21:26] <vlt> dimas_: By using them ;-)
[21:26] <AndChat-> J3roth: < tfdev
[21:26] <idlemind324> dimas_ it's all in the support contracts =)
[21:26] <HelloWorld321> It's like a college professor.  He gets famous by publishing his theories (for free), and then he gets prestigious jobs based on what a genius he is.
[21:27] <edbian> dimas_: Many open source developers make money from donations.  People who work on the linux kernel are often working for companies like intel
[21:27] <edbian> dimas_: firefox for example makes money (mostly) from the google search bar.
[21:27] <edbian> dimas_: Many other open source projects are done for fun (not for a full time job)
[21:27] <idlemind324> or @ least that's how canonical and red hat work ... here is our operating system but if you think you need a hand working on it pay us x dollars to be your fallback support
[21:27] <edbian> dimas_: It is not a simple answer
[21:27] <dimas_> edbian i can see
[21:28] <edbian> dimas_: A lot of it is support contracts as idlemind324 says
[21:28] <dimas_> edbian so you get pay for talking here?
[21:29] <YankDownUnder> dimas_, Yes - we get paid for this! Not in money... ;)
[21:29] <edbian> dimas_: I do not.  I am here for fun :)
[21:29] <edbian> dimas_: I don't think anybody in here is paid to be in here.
[21:29] <YankDownUnder> Paid in fun, paid in satisfaction of a job well done
[21:29] <idlemind324> open source also serves as a place for developers to breakout like the professor reference. you work on a project and if it's successful a large company want to hire your because you have experience and your quality of work is very visible
[21:30] <dimas_> oke because i am been thinking in killing myself
[21:30] <shantorn> it is interesting that some of you say that you get satisfaction helping, that is so nice to hear
[21:30] <edbian> dimas_: ?
[21:30] <idlemind324> yup that's the flip side of it ... sometimes ppl just do linux / open source stuff for the fun of it =)
[21:31] <nik0lai> I'm here for fun
[21:31] <YankDownUnder> shantorn, Well, ain't like we get anything else, ya know...we always get more ideas - always find new solutions to old problems...so it's a great fun puzzle...that just never gets completed (I've been puzzling over it since 1992)
[21:31] <dimas_> just a tought that comes to my head
[21:31] <shantorn> i have since 96, but try asking questions ins slack channel, but you better have an extinguisher
[21:32] <shantorn> are any of you going to oscon?
[21:32] <dimas_> i need help but i think i am already too old
[21:32] <shantorn> i am 42 and still help new people
[21:32] <YankDownUnder> shantorn, Hehehehehe...yeah...there was a time when it was a fun place...then it was RH then it was Fedora then it was Mandrake/Mandriva, then it was Gentoo, then it was Ubuntu...
[21:33] <nik0lai> I've only been messing with Linux for two years. I feel like such a n00b around you guys.
[21:33] <shantorn> i use to get willow grove? linux from the library
[21:33] <j3roth> nik0lai, we all start somewhere.
[21:33] <shantorn> i started on redhat 5.1 in 96
[21:33] <YankDownUnder> nik0lai, Regardless of experience, and regardless of whether or not anyone wants to admit it, we're always n00bs.
[21:34] <nik0lai> That's what Google's for, right?
[21:34] <shantorn> i am learning so much getting this happy with my newish laptop
[21:34] <berto-> anyone know if there's a linux driver for the intel HD 3000 graphics baked in i7 processors?
[21:34] <YankDownUnder> Well, I"m going to learn something new today and go and rip down a 10m LED screen and then set it up again at a different footy ground. ;)
[21:35] <shantorn> i know by default whats built into my i5 works rather wel
[21:35] <shantorn> 10 meter?
[21:35] <dimas_> i need a friend
[21:35] <YankDownUnder> shantorn, Yes. And that's small for what we do.
[21:35] <shantorn> yikes, thats like 33 feet
[21:35] <nik0lai> Has anyone here played Conway's Game of Life?
[21:35] <shantorn> how tall?
[21:36] <YankDownUnder> shantorn, 8m
[21:36] <berto-> shantorn: are you talking about the graphics in your i5?  what driver are you using?
[21:36] <shantorn> crane work?
[21:36] <vlt> !ot
[21:36] <RealOpty> is kernel 3,0 stable now?
[21:36] <shantorn> berto-, the 2.5 driver
[21:36] <YankDownUnder> shantorn, And that's not all - we also do an 80m by 1.5m => stretches the entire footy field.
[21:36] <shantorn> sorry vlt
[21:37] <YankDownUnder> Right oh - cheerio!
[21:37] <berto-> shantorn: sorry, i'm dense. what is the 2.5 driver, where do i get it from, the intel site?
[21:37] <love4linux> hello..I am trying to setup an ad-hoc network with ubuntu and bt5. I use static IP addresses and in a tutotial that I found it specifies the gateway as <IP_ADDRESS> , does anyone know the reason for this gateway?
[21:37] <Akiros> anyone here have tmobile and want to make $10 paypal? :D
[21:37] <shantorn> i added the proposed upgrades in synaptic and then chose that driver
[21:38] <idlemind324> akiros, you mean at&t .. (insert remainder of my corny merger jokes here)
[21:38] <j3roth> love4linux, no idea. Completely depends on the way you want to setup the network.
[21:38] <shantorn> i run my lappy screen and an hdmi 23" and its flawless
[21:38] <berto-> shantorn: i just installed ubuntu 11.04 fresh and it doesn't recommend any drivers.  what should i add to synaptic to get the needed packages?
[21:39] <berto-> i'm stuck at 1024 resolution right now.  :\
[21:39] <shantorn> let me finish this install and ill get you an answer
[21:39] <love4linux> i am confused since this <IP_ADDRESS> for gateway does not exist, right? in a wired or traditional wireless net you have the gateway pointing to the router which is the "bridge" for communication
[21:39] <berto-> shantorn: awesome, thanks!  when you shout, please add my nick so my computer yells at me.
[21:40] <edbian> love4linux: the gateway is the address of the router or 'bridge' yes.  Let's not call it a 'bridge' that term is loaded in networking
[21:40] <shantorn> will do
[21:40] <edbian> love4linux: <IP_ADDRESS> is unlikely to be your gateway.
[21:41] <love4linux> j3roth i know thats why I used the "".. so, whatever the number as the gateway will not affect my communication between the two laptops
[21:41] <love4linux> oops wrong name : )
[21:41] <j3roth> love4linux, it shouldnt
[21:42] <love4linux> okays... does anyone know an easy to use program to use to send data from one laptop to another so i can test my connection
[21:42] <love4linux> ?
[21:42] <edbian> love4linux: ping of course
[21:42] <edbian> :)
[21:43] <love4linux> edbian : ) okays... i guess that also confirms communication
[21:43] <edbian> love4linux: if you get a response from ping it means your computer sent data across to network to another computer and that second computer sent data back to the first one.
[21:44] <shantorn> berto-, look here mate https://launchpad.net/~glasen/+archive/intel-driver
[21:44] <love4linux> edbian yeap... communication in its lowest level
[21:45] <edbian> love4linux: yes
[21:45] <TheEmpath> howdy
[21:46] <love4linux> edbian do you have any experience with nrlOLSR?
[21:46] <TheEmpath> so i have one computer running ubuntu 10.10, and an old hard drive that used to run 10.10.  on the old hard drive is an encrpyted home directory that i have no idea on how to open or read
[21:46] <edbian> love4linux: no
[21:46] <edbian> love4linux: never heard of it
[21:46] <love4linux> edbian its a routing protocol for mobile ad hoc nets
[21:46] <edbian> love4linux: neat
[21:47] <TheEmpath> not one set of instructions across the internet can even answer the basic question on how to open the damn thing, and apparently, there is this encryptfs-recover-private guy but only available for 11.04... either way, its a clusterf*ck
[21:47] <love4linux> edbian yeah I am trying to do a testbed with 3 nodes that run the Optimized Link State Routing (OLSR) protocol
[21:48] <love4linux> anyways... have to disconnect to test the adhoc connection
[21:48] <love4linux> thanks for the help people
[21:48] <TBotNik> All: Hey guys almost got my ICS working from wlan0 to eth0.  Have my lastest post at FORUM: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1804424&page=2 PB: http://pastebin.com/ZaahMihm  Can use the help, close but not there yet.  Confused by the pahntom IP addresses from nowhere.  Hve been concentrating on simply getting the DHCP server working, which has not happened yet.  All help appreciated.  Thanks!
[21:48] <shantorn> back to school work
[21:49] <TheEmpath> Basically, Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop does nothing.
[21:49] <spankbot> high all, anyone have a laptop with an NVidia card and are using the NVidia drivers?
[21:50] <spankbot> I keep getting logged out if my laptop is not connected to a power source
[21:50] <spankbot> I had some success in the NVidia config "Power Mizer" and changed it to Adaptive to Max Power
[21:51] <spankbot> but when I try to stream a video.. youtube, then the system logs me off and my NVidia setting is lost and reverts back to Adaptive
[21:54] <bencc> I've managed to create local static ipv4 behind a router, can I do it with ipv6?
[21:54] <spankbot>  anyone have a laptop with an NVidia card and are using the NVidia drivers?
[21:57] <TBotNik> Repeating: All: Hey guys almost got my ICS working from wlan0 to eth0.  Have my lastest post at FORUM: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1804424&page=2 PB: http://pastebin.com/ZaahMihm  Can use the help, close but not there yet.  Confused by the pahntom IP addresses from nowhere.  Hve been concentrating on simply getting the DHCP server working, which has not happened yet.  All help appreciated.  Thanks!
[21:57] <mina2> can anyone tell me what their aconnect -o displays
[21:58] <mina2> i get only a midi through port and i cant play midi
[21:58] <mina2> :(
[21:59] <j3roth> mina2, have you followed this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8736
[22:00] <love4linux> just for the record... the adhoc test was successful...
[22:00] <j3roth> love4linux, awesome
[22:00] <amigrave> can someone please tell me where I can get debs of kernel 2.6.39 ? ppa is empty and trying to build it with make-kpkg fails because of version mismatch.
[22:00] <amigrave> for 11.04
[22:00] <love4linux> j3roth was easier than i thought... all ICMP data was nicely observed through wireshark
[22:01] <leif> I'm using a laptop with an external monitor.  When I change the configuration from mirror (the default) to having the laptop screen off with the external monitor on, both screens just go black.  Is there anything I can do about this?
[22:01] <leif> thank you.
[22:01] <love4linux> but why does ubuntu starts wireshark without sudo priviledges and then does not ask for sudo in order to control the network cards?
[22:01] <TBotNik> spankbot: Look like you are out of luck right now.  Post it on a forum and re-ask in a couple hours when japan, china and austrailia come online, since no one here seems to have faced your problem.  I had an Nvidia machine, but don't have access to it right now, so also can not help you.
[22:01] <love4linux> and I have to start it via the console
[22:02] <clausen> is there a way to control apt-get update, so that it only updates from some sources?
[22:02] <clausen> e.g.:   apt-get update *.ubuntu.com
[22:02] <leif> clausen, Disable the sources?
[22:02] <clausen> leif, that's a lot of editing of /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:03] <wildbat> TBotNik: you are putting both wlan0 and eth0 on auto, so eth0 get ip from some dhcp server on your network. dhcp server should static ip
[22:03] <j3roth> love4linux, you could always edit the application menu item and add gksudo to the beginning of the wireshark command.
[22:03] <TBotNik> wildbat: Which line in which file please!
[22:03] <leif> clausen, True.  Although that's the only way I know how to do it.  ;)
[22:03] <wildbat> TBotNik:  /etc/network/interfaces
[22:04] <love4linux> j3roth hmmm I ll try and fix it
[22:04] <spankbot> TBotNik  >> thanks, I've got the same thing going on with Fedora 15, this is not an Ubuntu issue.. something with NVidia.
[22:05] <wildbat> TBotNik: you will have problem thou ~if there is two different dhcp server running on the same network ~
[22:06] <TBotNik> wildbat: We talking /etc/network/interfaces or /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf ??
[22:06] <TBotNik> or both?
[22:06] <berto-> shantorn: beautiful, will try to install this in a bit.
[22:07] <the-ubuntu-user> hi, has anyone tried bbc iplayer on ubuntu natty, and does it work properly?
[22:07] <wildbat> TBotNik: /etc/network/interfaces ~ auto mean try to get ip from dhcp
[22:07] <zombiex> how do i install 'untrusted packages' ?
[22:08] <zombiex> my update manager is giving me error message
[22:08] <zombiex> error: require installation of untrusted packages
[22:09] <gr33n7007h> Yo Guys does anybody know how to run vlc player as root except via recompiling??
[22:09] <berto-> zombiex: if the repository you are adding from has a key, it's easiest to add it to the trusted list, check out: https://launchpad.net/+help/soyuz/ppa-sources-list.html and search for "apt-key"
[22:10] <gr33n7007h> Yo Guys does anybody know how to run vlc player as root except via recompiling??
[22:10] <ciss> hi, how can one monitor or log drive spin ups (standby -> idle/active)? i can only think of constantly checking hdparm -C
[22:10] <love4linux> j3roth i changed the command as gksudo wireshark, requests the sudo pass as expected but there is one warning and an error. the warning says  "Running as user root and group root is dangerous", but there is no other way to get priviledges over the network cards. The error message is "Lua: Error during loading:
[22:10] <love4linux>  [string "/usr/share/wireshark/init.lua"]:45: dofile has been disabled", any idea what is?
[22:11] <zombiex> berto-, but the update manager is giving the error message for so many packages
[22:11] <cds-> love4linux: i always get that error when using gksudo, not sure what it means but never had any issues with wireshark
[22:11] <cds-> more annoying than anything else
[22:11] <zombiex> adobe-flashplugin apparmor apparmor-utils apt apt-transport-https apt-utils aptdaemon apturl apturl-common avahi-autoipd avahi-daemon avahi-utils bash-completion bind9-host brasero brasero-common bsdutils compiz compiz-core compiz-gnome compiz-plugins computer-janitor computer-janitor-gtk dbus dbus-x11 dhcp3-client dhcp3-common dnsutils emacs emacs23 emacs23-bin-common emacs23-common empathy empathy-common evolution evolution-common evolution-plugins fi
[22:11] <zombiex> refox firefox-4.0-core firefox-branding firefox-locale-en firefox-trunk firefox-trunk-globalmenu fuse-utils gdm gimp gimp-data gnome-nettool gnome-power-manager gnome-screensaver gnome-terminal gnome-terminal-data gnome-user-guide grub-common grub-pc icedtea-6-jre-cacao icedtea6-plugin indicator-application indicator-sound initramfs-tools initramfs-tools-bin initscripts language-pack-en language-pack-en-base language-selector language-selector-common li
[22:11] <FloodBot1> zombiex: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:12] <love4linux> cds- yeah i guess ignoring it is the best option
[22:12] <LmAt> What is the command that shows all the processes and how much resources they use, etc.?
[22:12] <th0r> LmAt: top
[22:12] <LmAt> th0r, danke
[22:12] <ciss> gr33n7007h: doesn't vlc run under the current user?
[22:12] <love4linux> cds- htop is better
[22:12] <ciss> -under +as
[22:13] <love4linux> LmAt try htop
[22:13] <LmAt> love4linux, no good.
[22:13] <LmAt> "cds-htop" is no good, too.
[22:13] <LmAt> he suggests installing it.
[22:13] <love4linux> LmAt no good in what way?
[22:13] <alex--> Hello
[22:14] <LmAt> alex--, Hello.
[22:14] <LmAt> love4linux, It doesn't exist.
[22:14] <LmAt> love4linux, Oap! It works now.
[22:14] <LmAt> How pretty.
[22:14] <LmAt> hey, it's not swapping.  Broken Linux...
[22:15] <love4linux> LmAt oh i get it... i wrote a nickname before the 'htop' tool : )
[22:15] <LmAt> love4linux, :)
[22:15] <love4linux> my mistake
[22:15] <LmAt> love4linux, I had to apt-get install htop
[22:15] <love4linux> yeap
[22:15] <subsume> how do I find where a package installed to?
[22:15] <gr33n7007h> Yo Guys does anybody know how to run vlc player as root except via recompiling??
[22:15] <love4linux> a lot easier that top
[22:15] <LmAt> love4linux, easier?  how?
[22:15] <LmAt> It's pretty.
[22:15] <alex-->  gr33n7007h gksudo vlc
[22:15] <th0r> subsume: right click on the package in synaptic and choose properties
[22:15] <love4linux> sorry, user-friendly is the right word
[22:15] <LmAt> htop takes 8% cpu time :(
[22:15] <alex--> gr33n7007h: alt + f2: gksudo vlc
[22:16] <gr33n7007h> ill try that now thanks
[22:16] <LmAt> love4linux, Oh my, it has menus and stuff...
[22:16] <qin> subsume: dpkg -L package_name, locate name, which binary_name
[22:16] <th0r> gr33n7007h: did you read the error vlc throws? it tells you how to do a wrapper script
[22:16] <love4linux> and colours
[22:16] <LmAt> oh, down arrow works... neato.
[22:16] <love4linux> : )
[22:16] <alex--> gr33n7007h: you can run every application with it, just do, alt + f2: gksudo nano
[22:16] <LmAt> love4linux, top only uses .7 % processor :)
[22:17] <berto-> zombiex: what is the output of "sudo apt-key list"
[22:17] <qin> alex--: nano?
[22:17] <alex--> qin: just telling him another applicatio
[22:17] <alex--> n
[22:17] <th0r> LmAt: 'pretty' costs <smile>
[22:17] <alex--> qin: i also could have said: firefox
[22:17] <qin> alex--: nano need terminal to run
[22:17] <alex--> oh
[22:17] <alex--> :P
[22:18] <zazzy> ciao
[22:18] <alex--> gr33n7007h: does it works?
[22:18] <gr33n7007h> how do you use vlc-wrapper anyone plz?
[22:19] <gr33n7007h> alex no
[22:19] <gr33n7007h> alex no
[22:19] <gr33n7007h> how do you use vlc-wrapper anyone plz?
[22:20] <alex--> vlc-wrapper?
[22:20] <alex--> you said vlc
[22:20] <alex--> then do alt + f2: gksudo vlc-wrapper
[22:20] <gr33n7007h> vlc-wrapper is a program to su into vlc but dont know how to use it
[22:21] <gr33n7007h> it doesn't work alex
[22:21] <gr33n7007h> VLC is not supposed to be run as root. Sorry.
[22:21] <gr33n7007h> If you need to use real-time priorities and/or privileged TCP ports
[22:21] <gr33n7007h> you can use vlc-wrapper (make sure it is Set-UID root and
[22:21] <gr33n7007h> cannot be run by non-trusted users first).
[22:21] <FloodBot1> gr33n7007h: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:21] <gr33n7007h> sorry
[22:22] <j3roth> gr33n7007h, its a bot. Im sure it will forgive you. ;)
[22:22] <alex--> lol
[22:22] <gr33n7007h> lol
[22:22] <love4linux> : )
[22:22] <alex--> gr33n7007h: I'm not sure about this, wait for someone else to answer
[22:22] <gr33n7007h> kk
[22:23] <love4linux> gr33n7007h why not try vlc's forum?
[22:23] <love4linux> or google it
[22:23] <ciss> +1 :]
[22:23] <gr33n7007h> i've tried everything with no avail
[22:24] <gr33n7007h> i'll have a go at recompiling with the run-as-root flag thanks anyway
[22:24] <j3roth> gr33n7007h, have you tried #videolan their official irc?
[22:24] <ciss> gr33n7007h: out of curiosity, why do you need to run it as root?
[22:25] <gr33n7007h> because everything is root on this ubuntu
[22:25] <j3roth> ...
[22:25] <j3roth> thats safe ;)
[22:25] <exutux> cool
[22:25] <jrib> j3roth: yes, sounds brilliant
[22:25] <love4linux> gr33n7007h why you need to open a known port for vlc? why dont you use its default port
[22:26] <love4linux> isn't that what vlc-wrapper does?
[22:26] <gr33n7007h> do you know how to use vlc-wrapper plz?
[22:26] <j3roth> gr33n7007h, heres a better question. What are you trying to do?
[22:27] <gr33n7007h> play videos and sounds from root
[22:27] <specialmoose> just installed 11.04... what were they thinking on the theme?
[22:27] <TBotNik> wildbat: Hey tweaked the /etc/network/interfaces file and restarted the network, but no change in the IP addresses on eth0, even with it declared static.  I'm wondering if there is a setting in the iptables file so looking.
[22:28] <love4linux> okay guys, how can I find my command history for multiple command windows?
[22:28] <ciss> gr33n7007h: why not set "media" as group for your media files and add your vlc user to it?
[22:28] <j3roth> gr33n7007h, try running: totem
[22:29] <zazzy> 1
[22:29] <edbian> specialmoose: ? It looks great: http://www.google.com/search?s%3Fhl=en&cp=12&gs_id=1b&xhr=t&q=ubuntu%2011.04&qe=dWJ1bnR1IDExLjA0&qesig=CNdsZENqNoNPI-kog_vNVg&pkc=AFgZ2tlEUyzt1obBIWhg9pFF5LaqU5XFI8VlncNqgJgqcDfAmoJyHuXFtcOAFyg7hx_emb-wfuw090MYAsPdEX8IIkGmcEw-CQ&pq=ubuntu+11.04&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1110&bih=692&noj=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi
[22:29] <TBotNik> wildbat: Do not have an /etc/iptables file closest are /etc/completion.d/iptables and /sbin/iptables
[22:30] <exutux> TBotNik: tweaked interface how?
[22:30] <ciss> edbian: do you happen to use remote desktop (vino) with 11.04 ?
[22:30] <edbian> ciss: I do!
[22:30] <edbian> ciss: why?
[22:30] <TBotNik> exutux: Will send to PB
[22:30] <ciss> edbian: do you have compiz running?
[22:30] <edbian> ciss: yes
[22:31] <ciss> edbian: it's slow as hell for me. even if there are almost no changes, it's constantly transmitting over 1mb/s
[22:31] <edbian> ciss: The server is ubuntu 11.04 running unity with compiz
[22:31] <specialmoose> edbian, dunno but it took me 10 minutes to figure out where system stuff was
[22:31] <edbian> ciss: How are you measuring the network use?
[22:31] <ciss> i'm using the classic desktop
[22:31] <edbian> specialmoose: ha :)  That's the interface not the theme
[22:32] <ciss> edbian: bwm-ng
[22:32] <edbian> specialmoose: the theme is what color the interface is
[22:32] <edbian> ciss: Lemme install that and take a look at mine
[22:32] <j3roth> Did I just really read a sentence with the words server and unity in it?
[22:32] <edbian> j3roth: It's a VNC server :P
[22:33] <j3roth> edbian: *GIANT sigh of relief*
[22:33] <edbian> 'everything went better than expected!'
[22:33] <TBotNik> exutux, wildbat:  PB at: http://pastebin.com/ShRN05bT
[22:34] <ciunix> who can help me in configuring a virtualhost in the apache server?
[22:34] <TBotNik> exutux, wildbat: interfaces file starts on line 24
[22:34] <exutux> TBotNik: why you have commented out auto eth0? if you're using eth0?
[22:34] <exutux> TBotNik: and why auto wlan0?
[22:34] <urbanlime> ciunix, have you tried a control panel to auto configure it, for example kloxo?
[22:35] <ciunix> no
[22:35] <ciunix> I don't know kloxo
[22:35] <edbian> ciss: Now my client is a Debian 6 system.  But I ran bwm-ng on the client and was seeing around 6 - 7 kbs background noise.  Once vnc was running and connected to the server I saw the same.  MOving the mouse around I can get it to spike to maybe 512.  Top ran smoothly at about 100kbs
[22:35] <edbian> ciss: This is lan to wifi
[22:35] <ciss> i've heard legends of an "advanced settings" for vino tab in 8.04. seems there's not trace left of it. the settings schema file doesn't contain any other options than the ones available via vino-preferences, and assuming that a vino config file would have "vino" somewhere in its path, there are no other configuration files
[22:35] <ciunix> I'm configuring a virtualhost with vi
[22:36] <ciss> edbian: and you're seriously running compiz at the default settings? what resolution do you have?
[22:36] <edbian> ciss: It's a netbook.  some strange not large resolution 1024 x 700 or something like that
[22:36] <edbian> ciss: I am seriously running compiz (unity requires compiz)
[22:37] <edbian> ciss: My client is the Debian client.  the server is the 11.04 server
[22:37] <TBotNik> exutux: Since Inet come via wlan0 and trying to run dhcp server on eth0 wildbat said I needed to comment it out and go static with eth0, which is what I did, but as you see it still has the 10.x.x.x setting, not what I'm sending it.  wondering if I need to restart Network mgr as well?
[22:37] <edbian> ciss: What difference does it make if I'm running compiz.  The refresh rate isn't even fast enough to catch the effect
[22:37] <ciss> edbian: 1920x1080. osx 10.6.8 client
[22:37] <edbian> ciss: osx ?  What part of the equation is a mac?
[22:38] <ciss> edbian: none, i hope. just mentioned it because you did :)
[22:38] <edbian> ciss: ?
[22:39] <ciss> edbian: i'm just guessing that the compiz layer *might* have some effect on how well vino can detect changes
[22:39] <edbian> ciss: I didn't mention osx
[22:39] <alex--> where can i download 11.10?
[22:39] <edbian> ciss: I don't see any difference running compiz and without running compiz
[22:39] <ciss> edbian: sorry, misunderstood "my client is the debian client"
[22:39] <TBotNik> exutux, wildbat: You guys still there?
[22:39] <edbian> ciss: yeah, I'm running Debian client side
[22:40] <alex--> nvm, got it
[22:40] <exutux> TBotNik: you don't need comented out "auto eth0"
[22:40] <TBotNik> exutux: K what would you do to fix this?  Do you understand my problem?
[22:40] <exutux> TBotNik: and wlan0 need some options out, like iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[22:42] <ciss> edbian: i guess i'll just save myself some time and nerves and return to using nomachine. if only they would finally allow to share/ take over sessions ...
[22:42] <edbian> ciss: never used nomachine. :)
[22:43] <ciss> edbian: it's amazingly fast. feels almost like controlling the host directly
[22:43] <edbian> ciss: I admit my vnc is barely usable :)
[22:44] <TBotNik> exutux: Not sending via wlan0 only recieving, if I'm understanding you correctly.
[22:44] <exutux> TBotNik: hotspot mode?
[22:44] <ciss> edbian: if you don't mind having a separate session for your remote user, you should give nomachine nx a try
[22:45] <TBotNik> exutux: ??
[22:45] <edbian> ciss: I'll look at it.  It's not in my repos which worries me
[22:45] <ciss> it even allows you to resize the screen/desktop :D
[22:45] <exutux> TBotNik: wlan0 run like hotspot? like an AP?
[22:46] <love4linux> goodnight linux lovers
[22:46] <exutux> TBotNik: other clients connects thru wlan0?
[22:46] <ciss> edbian: they provide downloadable deb packages
[22:46] <edbian> ciss: thanks!
[22:47] <ciss> yw
[22:48] <astraljava> ciss: I thought FreeNX had an option to detach/reattach to/from a session? Or is that not what you're talking about?
[22:49] <ciss> astraljava: that the abandoned one written by google?
[22:50] <astraljava> ciss: Hmm... don't recall that... wait a moment.
[22:50] <alex--> When I tr to boot 11.10: FATAL: Error inserting ramzswap: invalid module format
[22:50] <alex--> why is this and how to fix it?
[22:50] <astraljava> ciss: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[22:50] <ciss> astraljava: as far as i know the nx server doesn't support hijacking running sessions. you can save and resume sessions (and kill them), but there's no sharing
[22:51] <astraljava> ciss: Ahh... okay, maybe you're right.
[22:51] <TBotNik> exutux: I have remote warehouse 2 miles from main warehouse, connects via wlan0 to main server.  3 other servers need to talk to this server, via eth0, but with no router, this server must supply them with IPs, so they can talk.  Do you understand now?
[22:52] <ciss> seems as if freenx hasn't been updated for almost three years
[22:52] <ciss> ah, "neatx" was the google one
[22:53] <ciss> hasn't been updated since feb 2010
[22:53] <ciss> such a shame
[22:53] <jvgeli> question, how come my download speed is only up to 92 kbps? running natty
[22:54] <ciss> jvgeli: download speed when doing what?
[22:54] <urbanlime> jvgeli: that is probably due to your internet connection, what is your normal download speed?
[22:54] <jvgeli> evrything
[22:54] <exutux> TBotNik: yes I understand
[22:54] <sudokill> jvgeli, could be anything
[22:54] <sudokill> wireless?
[22:55] <jvgeli> urbanlime: i have a 768kbps connection. Should register as high as 400 kbps, but 92kbps is too low
[22:55] <jvgeli> DSL line, PPPoE
[22:55] <sudokill> jvgeli, id disable ipv6 for a start
[22:55] <TBotNik> exutux: I also have to add a wifi router, so visitors to the remote warehouse can connect to internet.  The router I have for that is LinkSys WRTU54G, but can not find a way to make it use the high gain antenna and be the interconnect so using the DLink card to the high gain antenna and "trying" to serve IPs to this network to get it running.
[22:55] <urbanlime> jvgeli: if you are on a wireless connection, I'd restart it
[22:56] <jvgeli> urbanlime: im on DSL. IPv6 already disabled on network interfaces
[22:57] <ciss> jvgeli: do you have another client or os to check your speed with?
[22:57] <TBotNik> exutux: The WRTU54G is not supported by dd-wrt, not sure why, but I think if I could load that, I could make it work, but can not since it is not supported.
[22:57] <sudokill> TBotNik, you sure?
[22:57] <sudokill> i thought all wrts worked
[22:58] <sudokill> oh ok it doesnt..
[22:58] <jvgeli> whats more interesting is that speedtest.net puts my download speed at 0.79 MBPS but conky only registers 92 kbps.
[22:59] <sudokill> jvgeli, download a well seeded torrent and see
[22:59] <M4d3L> hi. someone can tell me what is the source that content the php5-mysqli package?
[22:59] <sudokill> real dl speed
[22:59] <sudokill> speedtest is normally right though id trust that over conky...
[22:59] <TBotNik> sudokill: No the "U" in the model is because it is the experimental one that had the 2 SIP trunk phone connects for Vonage and that experimental T-Mobile service they had for a while.  The extra cktry is why the model is not supported, I think, as dd-wrt does not know what to do with it.
[22:59] <gogeta> sudokill: ? a torrent real dl speed?
[23:00] <sudokill> yes
[23:00] <gogeta> sudokill: thats wjat speed test is for
[23:00] <gogeta> what
[23:01] <TBotNik> exutux: Where are we at?
[23:01] <sudokill> i know, but to be sure
[23:01] <alex--> gogeta: not really
[23:01] <alex--> gogeta: speedtest is in megabit
[23:01] <alex--> gogeta: real download speed is in megabyte
[23:02] <sudokill> i mean real as in normal situation
[23:02] <sudokill> but whatever
[23:02] <TBotNik> exutux: My wlan0 link, because of distance, only registers 58-85% varying on time of day, weather, etc. but always at least 58%
[23:02] <gogeta> alex--: 3.5 ,megabit is 350kb download
[23:03] <alex--> gogeta: 0,4375 megabyte/s download = 437,5 kb/s
[23:03] <astraljava> M4d3L: Seems to be php5, which you can get with `apt-get source php5`
[23:03] <alex--> 8 megabit = 1 megabyte
[23:03] <alex--> 8 bit = 1 byte
[23:03] <alex--> :)
[23:03] <gogeta> alex--: anyways you can do the conversio n in your head quit easly
[23:04] <alex--> i'm just correcting you
[23:04] <exutux> TBotNik: I'm thinking but I don't have idea why your eth0 pool that ip's, your dhcp.conf is completly in your PB?
[23:05] <M4d3L> astraljava: not found after run your command
[23:06] <M4d3L> here is my source.list : http://paste2.org/p/1542004
[23:06] <exutux> TBotNik: do you have tried to set eth0 ip out of dhcp range?
[23:06] <TBotNik> exutux: At least it is a connection.  Have an 8 port hub here for network distro, and got my win laptop on it to monitor if it starts sending IPs.  Have the WRTU54G, plugged in, but have it set to receive via dhcp, having config'd it with the win laptop.  Only part is missing is actual dhcp server.  Yeah the 10.X.X.X IPs have me completely stumped, have no idea where they can be coming from.
[23:07] <ministerdude> Now That I've partitioned my drive. How do I instal windows to that partition?
[23:07] <ministerdude> and make sure it makes it on that new partition
[23:07] <TBotNik> exutux: "Out of dhcp range" explain what you are thinking!
[23:07] <sudokill> ministerdude, you can choose where to install windows on the install
[23:08] <DropSQL> hi all
[23:08] <TBotNik> exutux: You think I should try something like 66.x.x.x or something else?
[23:08] <ministerdude> K. I shrunk my ubuntu partition down to 12gb. that's all I need for it :)
[23:09] <sudokill> yea you dont need much
[23:09] <robin0800> ministerdude, make sure its the first partition and windows installer will call it the c drive
[23:09] <exutux> TBotNik: your dhcp range starts from <IP_ADDRESS> to 200 ... so try to reduce range to start from .5 to 200 and set static ip for eth0 like <IP_ADDRESS> for example... out of range dhcp server
[23:09] <astraljava> M4d3L: Hmm... it's there, though. Can you pastebin the command outputs `sudo apt-get update` and `apt-cache policy php5-mysql`, please?
[23:09] <sudokill> ministerdude, dont forget about the windows bootloader overwrtigin grub
[23:09] <DropSQL> i want setup git+redmine, but: error: Cannot access URL http://git.neval.co.ua/git/turbosms-programming/, return code 22
[23:09] <ministerdude> sda3 is what gparted says
[23:10] <DropSQL> and if<EMAIL_ADDRESS>error: "error: cannot lock existing info/refs"
[23:10] <DropSQL> halp me plz
[23:10] <exutux> TBotNik: my bad your range was range <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>  mine was an example
[23:10] <robin0800> ministerdude, you need sta1 for windows the first partition
[23:11] <exutux> edbian:
[23:11] <exutux> -.-
[23:11] <ministerdude> Anyway to switch them around?
[23:11] <edbian> exutux: yes
[23:11] <DropSQL> sorry, but i bad speak english
[23:11] <exutux> TBotNik: sorry your config is just setted there...
[23:12] <M4d3L> astraljava: first command : http://paste2.org/p/1542013
[23:12] <adubz> on ubuntu how can i install the python module amun_logging
[23:12] <exutux> edbian: sorry tab mistake
[23:12] <skegeek> Are there any "common practices" of [Ubuntu] hosting server admins?
[23:12] <TBotNik> exutux: You pointed something out by happen stance.  The IPs were picking up all those items commented out, so deleted them and rerunning the restart.
[23:12] <edbian> exutux: ooohhh :(
[23:12] <robin0800> ministerdude, useing  gparted live cd is easiest
[23:12] <adubz> how about how do i install python modules on ubuntu??
[23:12] <exutux> ok my eyes run like a slot machine....!! so tired :p
[23:13] <ministerdude> ok I'll get it
[23:13] <ministerdude> thank you
[23:13] <M4d3L> astraljava: http://paste2.org/p/1542015 for other command
[23:13] <faint545> adubz, have you tried using synaptic to install Python modules?
[23:13] <astraljava> M4d3L: Lose the 'i' at the end.
[23:14] <M4d3L> astraljava: php-mysql is not the same as php-mysqli
[23:14] <TreyM_> any linux gods in the house?
[23:14] <adubz> faint545 no i wouldnt think synaptic would control python modules
[23:14] <M4d3L> I need the one with the i
[23:14] <astraljava> M4d3L: Ohh... sorry!
[23:14] <TBotNik> exutux: No change after restart, Bummer!!
[23:14] <DropSQL> I can help someone?
[23:14] <faint545> adubz, try synaptic. Synaptic has some python modules
[23:14] <exutux> no any clue now... :(
[23:14] <adubz> faint545 the program that needs this module isnt even on a repository
[23:15] <TreyM> DropSQL, hi
[23:15] <adubz> this one is a rare find i guess
[23:15] <DropSQL> TreyM: hi
[23:15] <TBotNik> exutux: Going to try machine reboot, so BRB in 5-10.
[23:15] <faint545> adubz, what is the module called?
[23:15] <TreyM> I'm a learning android dev, I need to symlink some files with the prefix<EMAIL_ADDRESS>I assume linux commands will work
[23:15] <DropSQL> someone help me?
[23:15] <TreyM> it's shell script
[23:16] <adubz> the module is called amun_logging
[23:17] <astraljava> M4d3L: Seems that package hasn't been around since dapper, but have a look at this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=821575
[23:18] <M4d3L> lol I found it already installed
[23:18] <M4d3L> by an other package
[23:18] <astraljava> !anyone > DropSQL
[23:19] <skegeek> There is no Ubuntu specific knowledge, tools, tricks for server admins?
[23:19] <tobiassjosten> Does anyone know how to enable ACL for my eCryptFS home directory?
[23:19] <skegeek> Other than tasksel anyway
[23:20] <faint545> adubz, is this the module? http://amunhoney.sourceforge.net
[23:20] <adubz> faint545 that is the application
[23:20] <ActionParsnip> skegeek: in what way?
[23:20] <ciss> nomachine nx: still as awesome as i remembered it *sigh-of-relief*
[23:20] <faint545> adubz, have your read the INSTALL file? there are directions there on how to install
[23:20] <DropSQL> astraljava: i setup git server+redmine, but I can not do push :(
[23:21] <entombed> I have never used Ubuntu, but I am about to use the installer to try to run hdparm on my drive and do a secure erase....
[23:21] <edbian> entombed: k
[23:21] <entombed> Is there a way to get ot a bash prompt while using the installer?
[23:21] <edbian> entombed: Did you boot a liveCD?
[23:21] <entombed> No.
[23:21] <faint545> adubz, here are the install directions: http://pastebin.com/z9SAbMdB
[23:21] <entombed> I am told the Ubuntu installer will support sleep mode and I need sleep mode to unfreeze my hard drive.
[23:21] <edbian> entombed: Did you make a liveCD / liveUSB ?
[23:22] <entombed> Is there an Ubuntu live cd?
[23:22] <adubz> ya i see them
[23:22] <adubz> my server is running
[23:22] <ciss> and the transferred data is a joke compared to the constant floods of kilo- and megabytes by vino
[23:22] <adubz> but not logging bc i need a module
[23:22] <entombed> I just downloaded the Ubuntu installer lol
[23:22] <DropSQL> astraljava: it's 2 errors: http://paste2.org/p/1542027
[23:23] <ActionParsnip> entombed: if you used the try option then ran the installer, you can
[23:23] <Pin> Hi guys, where can i get more software for Ubuntu other than the Ubuntu Software Center?
[23:23] <entombed> k
[23:23] <urbanlime> Pin: try searching for some debian packages
[23:23] <entombed> my stupid drive doesn't support TRIM and its running slower than PATA
[23:23] <entombed> :(
[23:23] <TBotNik> exutux: Reboot knocked out the eth0 entirely. nothing there in ifconfig now.  Is that good?
[23:23] <ActionParsnip> Pin: you can add a ppa, or compile source etc. there is the playdeb repo for agmes for example
[23:23] <Pin> @urbanlime  , how ? where?
[23:24] <ActionParsnip> entombed: pata is fast enough here
[23:24] <Pin> @ action if i add playdeb ppas I can see the games to install in the ubuntu software center?
[23:24] <TBotNik> exutux: Reposting to PB give me a minute.
[23:24] <entombed> I had no better nerd comparisons off the top of my head.
[23:24] <Pin> @actionparsnip *
[23:24] <ActionParsnip> Pin: yes it uses the repos/ppas you add and enable
[23:24] <DropSQL> astraljava: help me plz
[23:24] <Pin> thanks
[23:24] <ActionParsnip> Pin: if you drop the @ it will actually highlight as normal, useing the @ makes it NOT work
[23:25] <haruair> hello~
[23:25] <Kuwanger> Is there a way to profile the kernel, through systemtap, oprofile, or something else, without having to d/l the ~500MB of debugging symbols?
[23:26] <willystylee> hello, i just installed ubuntu server 10.04 on a spare machine and for some reason when i turn the machine on it shows the hp splash screen then when grub starts it eventually turns off the monitor after a few seconds.. how can i fix this?
[23:27] <astraljava> DropSQL: I'm afraid there are few git experts here, have you tried #git?
[23:27] <ActionParsnip> willystylee: add the boot option: nomodeset   may help
[23:27] <willystylee> @action how do i do that?
[23:27] <ciss> willystylee: try holding shift as soon as the hp splash screen disappears. you should see the grub boot menu after a few seconds
[23:27] <willystylee> ok
[23:28] <willystylee> :) ty ill try that
[23:28] <ActionParsnip> !nomodeset | willystylee you should try researching instead of immediately asking
[23:28] <DropSQL> astraljava: #git is empty
[23:28] <astraljava> DropSQL: Huh? 783 users.
[23:28] <willystylee> thank you
[23:29] <TBotNik> All: PB at: http://pastebin.com/AeQ8JdPV
[23:29] <that> i lost a hotmail account to a virus .  what is the best way to scan hotmail for virus
[23:30] <TBotNik> exutux: Need to ask some specific Q's
[23:30] <sudokill> that, use gmail hotmail sucks
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> that: hotmail scans emails for viruses for you
[23:30] <ciss> willystylee: if that doesn't work, boot from the ubuntu server cd, select the rescue system and follow the steps (don't worry, they will not overwrite any of your server settings). you'll finally get a shell with your root system mounted and be able to take a look at the logs
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> sudokill: why does hotail suck?
[23:31] <that> i agree with u but i have 2 other accounts i need to get the stuff off of
[23:31] <exutux> TBotNik: eth0 is down why is commented "auto eth0" and at boot it isn't ready...
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> that: have you emailed the admins?
[23:31] <sudokill> ActionParsnip, all me and everyone i know got was forwarded spam to all ocntacts with hotmail, i know you can disable it but still. its fugly and slow too
[23:31] <sudokill> and gmail has better spam filter
[23:32] <that> oh yeah  take 24 days of mail back and forth no  fone support
[23:32] <exutux> TBotNik: so if you type dhclient eth0 you can get an ip? and looks which is the server that get ip to eth0
[23:32] <exutux> TBotNik: or look in /var/log/syslog
[23:32] <ActionParsnip> sudokill: maybe you gave your address out too much, never had an issues with it. Only reason I switched was It didn't support using an email client without paying (which isn't an issue now)
[23:32] <Psydoll> im trying to install compiz but is it available from the repositories if anyone knows?
[23:32] <tobiassjosten> Does anyone know how to enable ACL for my eCryptFS home directory?
[23:33] <ActionParsnip> that: worth it if you want your stuff....
[23:33] <TBotNik> exutux: You said I should uncomment the line shown as # 22 in the PB.  You said I needed to add "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" after line 23 in PB.  What about line #25?  I'm thinking the value "inet" is the wrong value.  What should it be?
[23:33] <that> no  had a trojan in an email that hotmail didnt catch
[23:33] <voidspace> I would like to install a package from a specific ppa from launchpad
[23:33] <sudokill> that, try gmail if you can. its better in every way
[23:33] <voidspace> the package shadows a system package name
[23:34] <that> can i download the mail to my puter an scan it ?
[23:34] <voidspace> so I've added the ppa using add-apt-repository
[23:34] <sudokill> that, a virus in an email wont mess up your email account itself
[23:34] <ActionParsnip> that: sure, you can use one of the many email clients and scan it once its pulled down
[23:34] <exutux> TBotNik: line 25 is right but you need uncommented auto eth0 if you need eth0 ready at boot
[23:34] <voidspace> how do I tell if the apt-get install will use the system package or the one from the new ppa?
[23:35] <that> no  i lhad an account closed cause the virus was spamming
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> voidspace: it will use the one with the latest version number by default
[23:35] <voidspace> ActionParsnip: ah well, that solves that
[23:35] <voidspace> ActionParsnip: thank you
[23:35] <that> whats the best virus an spam client for lucid ?
[23:35] <exutux> TBotNik: yeah and wlan0 need iface wlan0 inet dhcp ( or static with ip, subnet and gw) down auto wlan0
[23:36] <carl_> hi folks, with any luck you can help me with two issues I have today. 1: Got compiz on my system, after finding out it's the thing that gave me the zoom in and out function. Now, I distinctly remember in previous releases, I could zoom in and out by holding down super button and using the scrll wheel. I tried to configure it but it wouldn't let me. So I have to use left and right mouse buttons. I'd like to use the scroll wheel. After all
[23:36] <carl_> , how long have we had scroll wheels on mice?
[23:36] <ActionParsnip> that: there is no single best app for anything in any OS
[23:36] <voidspace> awesome, it worked
[23:36] <ActionParsnip> carl_: look in ccsm
[23:37] <that> ok 'snip  any suggestions /
[23:37] <that> ?
[23:37] <ActionParsnip> that: evolution uses a spam filter
[23:37] <carl_> actionparsnip: Yeah, I'm in there. I spin the wheel, nothing happens.
[23:38] <sudokill> that, i think theres clamav
[23:38] <carl_> can I say, type in "scroolwheelup and it'll understand?"
[23:38] <that> so how can i make sure i dont send any bugs to anyone using win
[23:38] <sudokill> that, you sure no one tried to bruteforce your account? mine got closed because of that
[23:38] <OwenLA7QZ> Hi. Anyone know how to migrate e-mails from Sylpheed to Evolution?
[23:39] <that> well sudo  i dont know for sure microsoft not saying
[23:39] <sudokill> that, why cant you switch to gmail?
[23:39] <that> they just sayin the account sendin unauthorized mail
[23:40] <that> i can
[23:40]  * carl_ can think the whole google adsense, spying on your emails, is a big reason not to use gmail.
[23:40] <ActionParsnip> OwenLA7QZ: may help http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/evolution/2004-October/040115.html
[23:40] <that>  but i have a couple other hotmails i need to get
[23:41] <sudokode> wasn't hotmail deprecated by snail mail?
[23:41] <that> pleny of tools to keep google from spyin
[23:41] <that> yeah snailmail better
[23:42] <carl_> oh, don't get me wrong, I use googlesharing, but I'm trying to shift away from gmail. I did have this plan to use it to store things online but I never bothered, and well, I'm opposed to anything cloudy
[23:42] <sudokill> carl_, dont be so paranoid
[23:42] <that> not like dropbox?
[23:42] <OwenLA7QZ> ActionParsnip: Thanks, I'll read that. :) A friend of mine needs to migrate Outlook to Evolution... And he doesn't have a windows box...
[23:42] <sudokill> the google paranoia thing is old
[23:43] <Odaym> can I remove Unity?
[23:43] <OwenLA7QZ> ActionParsnip: I guess his problem is bigger than mine.
[23:43] <alex--> Odaym: you can't just remove it
[23:43] <sudokill> Odaym, use the classic interface
[23:43] <Odaym> because it is not just a layer that sits upon Gnome, is it?
[23:43] <OwenLA7QZ> Odaym: Don't need to remove it. Just log out and then in again with classic.
[23:43] <carl_> hey, I happen to like the cartoons they do on scroogle. But I didn't come here to talk about the finer points of online surveillance. What I want to know is, how can I get compiz to zoom in and out with the scroll wheel?
[23:44] <OwenLA7QZ> Odaym: On the wife's desktop we got really weird distortion of fonts in Unity. No problem in classic
[23:44] <ciss> carl_: seen this? :) http://consumerist.com/2011/07/google-deletes-last-7-years-of-users-digital-life-shrugs.html
[23:44] <that> i use trackball no help here
[23:44] <ciss> carl_: did you install compiz-settings-manager ?
[23:45] <Odaym> what's that expression again? "hear it from the mouth of the ...goat" ?
[23:45] <Odaym> or something
[23:45] <ciss> sorry, "compizconfig-settings-manager"
[23:46] <Odaym> or "straight from the <blank>'s mouth"
[23:46] <ActionParsnip> OwenLA7QZ: you may be able to use PST files, I don't use any email client personally
[23:47] <carl_> ciss: I got CCSM, yes. I have it open right now
[23:47] <ActionParsnip> Odaym: horses
[23:47] <OwenLA7QZ> ActionParsnip: OK. He's in Ireland so he went to be. I'll see if I can help him tomorrow.
[23:47] <OwenLA7QZ> Thanks.
[23:47] <that> this for carl  "anonymiser"  deb http://debian.anonymous-proxy-servers.net DISTRI main
[23:47] <ActionParsnip> OwenLA7QZ: I'm in England :)
[23:48]  * OwenLA7QZ thinks ActionParsnip is burning the midnight oil...
[23:48] <ciss> carl_: which zoom plugin are you using?
[23:49] <ActionParsnip> OwenLA7QZ: i'll be up a while, i'm on noghts soon so need to spin my body clock round
[23:50] <carl_> ciss: I'm using CCSM, compiz, comthing, settings manager
[23:50] <ActionParsnip> carl_: config ;)
[23:50] <OwenLA7QZ> ActionParsnip: OK. I'm about to log out here. Watch a movie, get some rest. Wife is in Italy for a week so I'm bored stiff.
[23:51] <ActionParsnip> OwenLA7QZ: porn sorts out stiffness
[23:51] <carl_> I dunno what I had in the previous version, 9.10 maybe, but that came with the install right off, and I could zoom in and out just using the scroll wheel. I've been in the config, and it won't recognise the scroll wheel!
[23:51] <ciss> carl_: scroll wheel should be buttons 4 and 5 (if i remember right)
[23:51] <Windows_> hi
[23:52] <ActionParsnip> hi Windows_
[23:52] <OwenLA7QZ> ActionParsnip: I'll take that under advicement. GOt to go now. Thanks for your help.
[23:52] <ciss> carl_: try it with a simple click first (e.g. button 2)
[23:52] <conor_> i'm experiencing an issue where 'key repeat' is being disabled at seemingly random intervals in 10.04, but when I go to System->Preferences->Keyboard, the option is enabled despite the actual behavior. found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/272293, but this seems to be related to older releases. any one else seen this issue?
[23:52] <Terabyte> hi, i have a key which is used to login to a server, i'm trying to load it into pageant and i'm getting Couldn't load this key (OpenSSH SSH-2 private key)  any ideas?
[23:53] <carl_> Ciss: Yep! It is buttons 4 and 5. Much better
[23:53] <ciss> happy to help :)
[23:54] <that> well tha tha thats all folks
[23:54] <willystylee> @ciss ok i read the op of that thread about "How to permanently set kernel boot options". But that thread is with a gui in mind, i have no gui. is there a way to do this ALL over terminal?
[23:54] <carl_> Ok, second issue, not sure if you guys can help as some others haven't got experience of it. I have an Asus AT3ION-T motherboard, has a VGA and HDMI out. VGA works fine. Can't get HDMI to work. Nvidia X settings will not identify my telly, which is plugged in via HDMI
[23:55] <ciss> willystylee: in your boot menu, you can press "e" to edit an entry and add the option temporarily (it might read "linux", not "kernel")
[23:55] <ActionParsnip> carl_: is the hdmi enabled in BIOS?
[23:55] <Mariorockspants> Does ubuntu show the low battery notification? cause my windows 7 pc doesn't i'm on the pc right now...  but does ubuntu show the notification?
[23:55] <willystylee> yes, i did that, i am in my single boot with the nomodeset added, i want to set it permanent
[23:55] <Mariorockspants> and my pc is a laptop..
[23:55] <ciss> willystylee: after that you'll have to edit the grub config and run update-grub
[23:56] <willystylee> but over terminal, how do i do this
[23:56] <Mariorockspants> does ubuntu show the low battery notification on a laptop
[23:56] <carl_> yes, HDMI is enabled, and tested working. I had windows 7 on this system before I put linux on, as I got fed up with how windows 7 worked
[23:56] <ActionParsnip> Mariorockspants: never seen a desktop PC with a battery like a laptop...
[23:56] <Odaym> is classic mode on Ubuntu Gnome 3 with Unity disabled?
[23:56] <ciss> willystylee: there are several guides on the net for configuring grub
[23:56] <Mariorockspants> ActionParsnip I'm on a laptop..
[23:57] <ActionParsnip> carl_: if you boot with just the HDMI attached, do you get any display?
[23:57] <Mariorockspants> ActionParsnip: I am on a laptop.
[23:57] <ciss> Odaym: you should be able to select classic mode on the login screen (look at the bottom)
[23:58] <Odaym> that wasn't my question
[23:58] <Odaym> I was asking if that mode which you select at GDM consists of Gnome 3 with Unity disabled
[23:58] <Mariorockspants> I'm getting tired of windows 7's look :(
[23:58] <willystylee> @ciss can you direct me to one? my google searches arent bringing a proper page up
[23:58] <carl_> I haven't tried that yet. I will tomorrow, I'm chatting with a friend right now and I don't want to say "Sorry, hold that thought, going to reboot."
[23:58] <spankbot> I've factory reset an iPod Nano.. then mounted it.  Using Nautilus I deleted all the files/folders in the iPod.  I started Rythmbox and was prompted to "Initialize" the device.  Did it and synced successfully.  When I diconnect the iPod there are no songs, but connected it back to Rythmbox and the playlist that I synced displays.
[23:58] <ray24> Hey man, i was wondering if anyone know how to make ubuntu work on linux
[23:59] <gueriLLaPunK> I have 9.10 and was wondering why copy and paste doesn't work? I can't copy and paste text from the viewer to the server and vise versa.
[23:59] <exutux> willystylee: nano /etc/default/grub  edit it, save and run update-grub then rebbot
[23:59] <gueriLLaPunK> running windows 7 on the viewer
[23:59] <gueriLLaPunK> RealVNC viewer
[23:59] <Mariorockspants> Does ubuntu have viruses? :P
[23:59] <exutux> reboot*
[23:59] <ray24> Yes, it's called natty


[05:44] <elh9> hello
[05:45] <elh9>  i just enabled VT-d on my motherboard, (was only enabled on cpu before), and ubuntu server won't boot - has trouble identifying the ata devices that are mounted during boot, when i disabled it, ubuntu starts normally, anyone familair with this?
[05:45] <elh9> ata qc timeout
[05:45] <elh9> and failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x4)
[06:17] <elh9> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42679
[06:17] <elh9> apparently i can't use the marvel 9128 controller aswell as vt-d at the same time
[06:17] <elh9> they are not friends
[09:25] <lordievader> Good morning.
[14:02] <bananapie> Linux says one of my ethernet cards is currently down, despite it being physically connected. I unloaded and reloaded the driver and rebooted the server. Ran ifconfig em2 up. It still says it's down. ( "UP BROADCAST MULTICAST" but no "RUNNING" or "SLAVE" keywords ). What commands can I use to eliminate software issues?
[14:06] <bananapie> dmesg : IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): em2: link is not ready
[14:07] <bananapie> driver: bnx2
[14:07] <bananapie> version: 2.2.4
[14:07] <bananapie> firmware-version: bc 5.2.2 NCSI 2.0.6
[14:13] <madivad> Hey guys, I
[14:14] <madivad> I've installed ubuntu server +1 :) several times on a machine and it comes up habitually with a screen at the end of first boot that initially looks like a hanged screen
[14:14] <madivad> it displays:
[14:15] <madivad>   /dev/sda1: recovering journal
[14:15] <madivad>  /dev/sda1 clean, xx/xxxx files, xxx/xxxxx blocks
[14:15] <madivad> it took several reinstalls (and several usb keys and drives) for me to realise that it can't be the hdd (and in this case right now, a brand new ssd)
[14:15] <madivad> 1) I'
[14:16] <madivad> 1) I've worked out it's tty7 and I can tty1 to login and carry on (the screen I'm on gives no indication it's a tty and for all intensive purposes looks hung)... should there be some indicator for idiots like me? lol
[14:17] <madivad> 2) is it something to be concerned about?
[14:17] <madivad> it IS 16.04 server (no gui) and I don't believe it's drive (brand new ssd) or ram (extensively tested 20gb ecc ram) related
[14:18] <madivad> don't know where to look. cursory search of dmesg looks good
[14:18] <madivad> #ubuntu+1 suggested asking you guys since it's a server install
[14:33] <jayjo> what is the program that allows me to give an ssh alias and identify my pemfile so I can just type ssh <host> to connect?
[14:36] <Deeps> your ~/.ssh/config file?
[14:38] <jayjo> Deeps: I'm ashamed
[18:24] <Net-Centric> Is it normally this quiet in here ?
[18:36] <Net-Centric> Looking for some advice on mdadm - 14.04 server. Right place ?


[17:08] <lotuspsychje> good evening to all
[17:09] <lotuspsychje> a prob fail in title blog, perhaps ping the right author about it? https://ubuntu.com//blog/canonical-at-kubecon-na2021
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[17:21] <el> ?
[17:22] <Eickmeyer> el: I already told him he's barking up the wrong tree.
[17:23] <el> good
[17:24] <Eickmeyer> that moment when people don't read topic lines.


[01:40] <Jucato> zakame, Knightlust: <romski> instead na magpapamail ako ng 12.04 CD (which I think di na nagyayari ngayon), I will only download Ubuntu 12.04, print the CD label and case from ubuntu site, and it is only for my own use and collection. Will I violate any rules? Or is it safe? (please email me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>thanks. I am not online here always.
[03:20] <Knightlust> Jucato: has come back to the dark side. bwahahahaha!
[03:20] <Knightlust> i'll fire up a quick email, thanks Jucato.
[03:30] <Jucato> Knightlust: windows? :P
[03:30] <Knightlust> ubunttog
[03:38] <Jucato> Knightlust: hehe I jsut remembered that I had certain "responsibilities" in here :)
[03:39] <Knightlust> heh, what's your latest commit pala to kde?
[03:40] <Knightlust> been out of touch lately, bare have the time to read foss news
[03:40] <Knightlust> especially this week after typhoon gener
[03:55] <Jucato> Knightlust: just a fix in konversation. simple lang. nothing huge
[03:55] <Jucato> musta nga pala kayo dyan? hard hit ang norte
[03:56] <Knightlust> just a fix? nothing huge? yeah, right. dude, that's kde
[03:56] <Knightlust> ok lang, wala minimal floodings, minimal landslides
[03:56] <Knightlust> pero grabe power outages, daming galit
[03:56] <Knightlust> 'nyeta sila
[03:56] <Knightlust> hehehehe
[03:58] <Jucato> lam mo mula nung nagwork ka sa beneco at naririnig ko mga kwento mo, I started to look at electricity providers (like meralco) in a more understanding way :)
[03:58] <Jucato> lalo na pag may bagyo, syempre naman hindi nila kontrolado lahat un hehe
[04:00] <Knightlust> hehehe, malakas impluwensya ko sa yo ah.
[04:00] <Jucato> :)
[04:00] <Jucato> sinabi mo pa
[04:00] <Jucato> hehe
[04:00] <Jucato> teka lunch muna kami
[04:00] <Knightlust> ayt, ayt!
[04:00] <Knightlust> talk to you later dude!
[04:00] <Jucato> ingats! kamustahan later :)
[04:00] <Jucato> long time no talk e
[04:00] <Knightlust> later!


[02:26] <robert_ancell> How do you build unity8 from lp:unity8? It appears bzr-buildpackage doesn't work
[09:49] <tsdgeos> Mirv: have a minute?
[09:49] <tsdgeos> or maybe 5
[10:18] <Mirv> tsdgeos: sure
[10:19] <tsdgeos> Mirv: so i want to compile Qt 5.4.1 from vivid to trusty, assuming it "just compiles" in a chroot, what's the way to make it end in a ppa? i create put in my own personal ppa and that should be enough, right?
[10:21] <Mirv> tsdgeos: Qt 5.4.1 or eg just qtbase?
[10:22] <tsdgeos> Mirv: what i need is really qmlprofiler
[10:22] <tsdgeos> so base and declarative
[10:22] <Mirv> tsdgeos: the normal way would be to dget each that is needed like dget https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/stable-phone-overlay/+files/qtbase-opensource-src_5.4.1+dfsg-2ubuntu11~vivid9.dsc
[10:22] <Mirv> unpack, change debian/changelog vivid -> trusty , debuild -S -sa dput ppa:me/myppa ../qtbase*.changes
[10:23] <greyback> tsdgeos: profiler can't be backported?
[10:23] <Mirv> good point, getting just profiler source and compiling on trusty's 5.2
[10:23] <Mirv> but maybe it's too integrated
[10:23] <tsdgeos> greyback: it depends on declarative
[10:23] <greyback> tsdgeos: ah. Pity
[10:23] <tsdgeos> not depends
[10:23] <tsdgeos> but "is part of the package"
[10:23] <tsdgeos> so you need to build declarative
[10:23] <tsdgeos> that i doubt it builds without base
[10:24] <greyback> I had hoped it was just the packet receiver that needed updating
[10:24] <Mirv> tsdgeos: also qtxmlpatterns which sits between qtbase and qtdeclarative
[10:25] <tsdgeos> i don't probably "need" that one
[10:25] <tsdgeos> i mean i'm not trying to get the best packages
[10:25] <tsdgeos> just ones that give me qmlprofiler :D
[10:25] <tsdgeos> but i'll check how hard it is
[10:25] <tsdgeos> tx
[10:25] <Mirv> tsdgeos: I was just thinking if Qt runtime checks also the version of qtxmlpatterns
[10:26] <Mirv> and complains if it's different than qtbase + qtdeclartaive
[10:26] <Mirv> when trying to run the profiler
[23:38] <sh0dan> I read a wiki page which said to "contact a libertine developer". Are any around?