[12:38] <clefia> Why do I lose my Panels once in a while after restarting Xubuntu feisty?
[12:42] <epsi> hi :)
[12:42] <epsi> anyone awake ?
[12:43] <underdog5004> yes
[12:44] <underdog5004> it's midday here
[12:44] <epsi> lol k
[12:44] <underdog5004> (pacific coast, U.S.)
[12:44] <epsi> its 1 o clock @night in germany ,d
[12:44] <epsi> 1pm
[12:44] <epsi> no am^
[12:45] <epsi> k ive got 1 question: is there any possibility to make kubuntu run a command i define , to do on shutdown?
[12:45] <epsi> everytime.?
[12:45] <runlevelten> yeah.
[12:45] <runlevelten> Do you want it to happen when KDE shuts down?
[12:46] <epsi> hm this includes an X restart?
[12:46] <epsi> eh but..it doesnt matter^
[12:46] <LPn> can some one help me i try to install kubuntu with the alt install and it says MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC (black screen of death).
[12:46] <elvirolo> hi all
[12:46] <epsi> when KDE shuts down it should execute the command
[12:46] <epsi> that would be great ,yes.
[12:47] <elvirolo> how do i get the ipw3945 wifi chipset to work under kubuntu feisty?
[12:48] <epsi> runlevelten: kde shutdown is perfect :)
[12:50] <clefia> Why do I lose my Panels once in a while after restarting Xubuntu feisty? I can't start 'panel manager'
[12:50] <runlevelten> Oh sorry
[12:51] <runlevelten> put the scripts in your home folder/.kde/shutdown/
[12:51] <runlevelten> You can drop app shortcuts in there just as well :)
[12:51] <epsi> ah nice :D
[12:52] <epsi> there is no folder shutdown
[12:52] <epsi> shall i create it?
[12:56] <Angelus> can someone please help me with the following errors ? http://rafb.net/p/A6NWtK16.html
[12:57] <epsi> runlevelten:  shall i create the folder?
[12:58] <runlevelten> yeah
[12:59] <LPn> can some one help me i try to install kubuntu with the alt install and it says MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC (black screen of death).
[12:59] <LPn> [00:46]  <elvirolo> hi all
[12:59] <LPn> can some one help me i try to install kubuntu with the alt install and it says MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC (black screen of death).
[12:59] <LPn> [00:46]  <elvirolo> hi all
[12:59] <Angelus> can someone please help me with the following errors ? http://rafb.net/p/A6NWtK16.html
[12:59] <LPn> i try to install kubuntu with the alt install and it says MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC (black screen of death). can some one help me plz?
[12:59] <Schuenemann> hey, I'm getting a very long black screen between the boot menu and X initialization. What could be that?
[01:01] <epsi> cool thx runlevelten ;D
[01:01] <epsi> hope it works :P
[01:01] <epsi> cya then
[01:01] <runlevelten> np - have fun :)
[01:01] <epsi> watching the bourne supremacy ;D
[01:01] <epsi> as a refresh for the upcoming 3rd part
[01:01] <Angelus> runlevelten: can you help me now ? lol
[01:02] <drewcipher> epsi: lol I have it on too.  better than I remember it being.
[01:11] <eljefe> i think MCE installed compiz or metacity for my window manager on Feisty, but I want it back to KWin; can anyone help me?
[01:14] <malqos> i have problem with gtkpod,i conect my ipod, add music and save on  the end, disconect ipod and when i try to play so music a dont have anyting on ipod
[01:14] <malqos> why?
[01:14] <toast> hi
[01:14] <eljefe> do you have no music, or it doesn't even show the ipod software?
[01:15] <malqos> i dont have no file,  my ipod is empty
[01:15] <runlevelten> Somebody rang?
[01:15] <malqos> but when i connect it to computer
[01:15] <malqos> gtkpod see the music
[01:16] <toast> jemand deutschsprachiges da der eine idee zu einem problem bei mir htte?
[01:16] <runlevelten> Angelus: You appear to be missing the ncurses development foo.
[01:17] <Schuenemann> !de
[01:17] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[01:19] <Schuenemann> hey, I'm getting a very long black screen between the boot menu and X initialization. What could be that?
[01:19] <runlevelten> Angelus: so install an appropriate libncurses dev package for your system :)
[01:21] <eljefe> does the iPod start?
[01:21] <malqos> eljefe are you there?
[01:21] <eljefe> yes i am, malqos
[01:21] <malqos> yes
[01:22] <malqos> it starts
[01:22] <eljefe> hmm
[01:22] <malqos> i load it to gtkpod
[01:22] <malqos> and i have music
[01:22] <U238Willy> hello!..(call me Willy) let's see.. i was installing packages through adept this afternoon.. and they exploded.. well adept cancelled.. didn't finish installing packages that were in queue.. and now.. when adept runs, it says that another 'instance' of adept or apt-get is still running.. (after a warm boot, i assure you they're not) so.. any ideas how to remove the exploded packages.. and reset my adept? any help would be greatly appreciat
[01:22] <U238Willy> ed! :)
[01:22] <U238Willy> wow
[01:22] <eljefe> when you put the music 'on the iPod', maybe its only going into a queue, and you have to still click [Transfer]  or something?
[01:23] <eljefe> U238Willy: at a command prompt/Terminal, type: sudo apt-get install -f
[01:23] <eljefe> that will force the packages to install or clear, depending on whats best for the system
[01:24] <U238Willy> I shall try..
[01:24] <U238Willy> and I thank you.. kind sir
[01:24] <eljefe> of course
[01:24] <malqos> i will try in banshee
[01:24] <eljefe> i got a ton of Windows help today, so i feel inclined to give back tonight :)
[01:24] <malqos> i have synchronizing so it may be good
[01:24] <malqos> :)
[01:25] <eljefe> malqos: ok.  i have only used amarok but it works for me.
[01:25] <U238Willy> ok..
[01:26] <U238Willy> dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem..
[01:26] <U238Willy> sound good?
[01:27] <eljefe> yep
[01:27] <U238Willy> I'm running kubuntu (obviously? right?) 7.04 fiesty fawn.. i was trying to install an IRC bot package.. and the KVIRC2 packages
[01:27] <eljefe> hmm
[01:27] <U238Willy> as i run a chan on chatspike.. and am constantly look for new bot packages or.. irc clients
[01:27] <eljefe> so why did you interrupt it?
[01:27] <U238Willy> i didn't
[01:27] <U238Willy> it stopped midway
[01:27] <malqos> i dont know what with dpkg but in banshee everything is great
[01:28] <malqos> so thanks a lot
[01:28] <eljefe> it stopped itself?
[01:28] <U238Willy> so i asked to see the 'details'
[01:28] <U238Willy> where a CLI was there
[01:28] <U238Willy> asking for the root information
[01:28] <eljefe> malqos: yep not a problem mate.  pass help along ;)
[01:28] <U238Willy> (which made me nervous)
[01:28] <eljefe> sure
[01:28] <U238Willy> but.. i said.. ok.. and entered it
[01:28] <U238Willy> at which point..
[01:28] <U238Willy> it exited..
[01:28] <eljefe> but if you're installing, its going to have to ask at some point... and maybe it creates a 'bot user' ?? no idea why...
[01:28] <U238Willy> and.. as you can see..
[01:29] <eljefe> hmm thats odd
[01:29] <U238Willy> most everything else runs
[01:29] <U238Willy> xchat..
[01:29] <U238Willy> amarok
[01:29] <U238Willy> with ipd
[01:29] <eljefe> was it a kubuntu package, or from the web?
[01:29] <U238Willy> *ipod
[01:29] <U238Willy> it was using adept
[01:29] <eljefe> strange.  maybe just a crash tho.
[01:29] <U238Willy> though i have expanded the repositories to capture it 'all' but no outside repositories.. like FM or anything.
[01:30] <eljefe> whats FM?
[01:30] <Azzco> Why is SVG images allways a bit unaligned to the right?
[01:30] <NickPresta> Azzco, what do you mean?
[01:30] <U238Willy> sorry.. abbreviation for Freshmeat
[01:30] <eljefe> ah sure
[01:30] <eljefe> they have ubuntu packages?
[01:30] <U238Willy> hmm.. dunno
[01:31] <eljefe> do you know, are they quality?
[01:31] <eljefe> oh
[01:31] <eljefe> lol
[01:31] <U238Willy> i've been so happy with what i've found so far..
[01:31] <eljefe> yeah for sure, esp with Feisty
[01:31] <Azzco> NickPresta: Everytime I try to preview a svg image a part on the right side is not showing up, same if I try to add one to a document or anything
[01:31] <U238Willy> that i haven't started looking for outside repositories.
[01:31] <eljefe> i've only added trevino's for the KDEnlive video editor
[01:31] <U238Willy> a video editor?
[01:31] <U238Willy> well
[01:32] <U238Willy> lemme try the dpkg first..
[01:32] <NickPresta> Azzco, in what applications?
[01:32] <eljefe> oh, also one to install LinuxMCE but that was a pain so i gave up, but it ate my windowmanager!  i want kwm back!
[01:32] <Azzco> konqueror and koffice
[01:32] <NickPresta> Azzco, does it happen with all SVG images or just specific images?
[01:32] <Azzco> All
[01:32] <ari> hi. i just reinstalled kubuntu edgy (it was the only install cd i had) on my computer and i upgraded to feisty and i wanted to know how to get the codecs to play mp3s. i've tried to install them manually via a terminal but it doesn't work and when i run amarok it tells me i can't read mp3s and then it shuts down. is that normal ?
[01:33] <NickPresta> Azzco, I don't know what to tell you. I'm viewing an SVG image in Konqueror right now. It appears fine. Which version of KDE are you running?
[01:33] <NickPresta> !codecs
[01:33] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:33] <U238Willy> hmm..
[01:33] <Azzco> NickPresta: 3.5.6 o.O Thought it was higher
[01:33] <U238Willy> it seem the 'blootbot'
[01:33] <U238Willy> *seems
[01:33] <U238Willy> is the main 'issue'
[01:33] <U238Willy> dpkg forced the rest
[01:33] <U238Willy> i suppose
[01:34] <NickPresta> Azzco, the only thing I can suggest is upgrading to 3.5.7. I don't know if that will fix it for sure though.
[01:34] <U238Willy> back at the terminal.. i think if i can get adept to work..
[01:34] <eljefe> cool
[01:34] <U238Willy> I'm going to uninstall the packages that were in queue
[01:34] <eljefe> sure
[01:34] <U238Willy> and just reinstall
[01:34] <Azzco> NickPresta: Should I install the kde package or will that break kubuntu-desktop?
[01:35] <NickPresta> Azzco, unless you have a reason not to do a "full upgrade", I think you should add the 3.5.7 repo and just upgrade all K apps. http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php
[01:36] <Azzco> Ahh okay thanks :)
[01:36] <intelikey> U238Willy in konsole;   sudo dpkg -a --configure && sudo aptget install <packagename>                   inturpreting <> of course.   and if it errors you'll see why.
[01:37] <toast> i need a little bit help ... i have an Gforce Grafic Card ... i have installed the nvidia-glx package then reconfig the xseerver ... and restart the xserver ... but only black screen ... reconfig the xserver to the vesa driver ... downloading a new driver from the nvidia page, installed this new driver ... xserver reconfig ... all ready ... reboot ... now ... only black screen ... since that moment ... only vesa driver or black screen ... can
[01:37] <toast> someone help me? sry for the bad english ... i'm from germany ;)
[01:37] <intelikey> excuse me.  apt-get
[01:37] <eljefe> !de |toast
[01:37] <ubotu> toast: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[01:37] <intelikey> toast /join #kubuntu-de
[01:37] <Arwen> toast, there is a German channel you know
[01:38] <eljefe> toast: or english ;)
[01:39] <U238Willy> oh um
[01:39] <toast> @#kubuntu-de is no one who can help .... thats the reason i try it here ;)
[01:39] <U238Willy> i just read what intelikey said
[01:40] <Schuenemann> hey, I'm getting a very long black screen between the boot menu and X initialization. What could be that?
[01:40] <U238Willy> well.. i ran dpkg as it and you all have said....
[01:40] <U238Willy> and it forced it's way through..
[01:40] <U238Willy> i'm currently in adept..
[01:40] <U238Willy> without it saying that another instance is running.
[01:41] <U238Willy> and i'm removing the packages.. (to the best of my knowledge..) that were in that particular update..
[01:41] <U238Willy> i'll use apt-get for the blootbot..
[01:41] <U238Willy> as it seems to need some handholding
[01:41] <U238Willy> but.. the KVIRC client
[01:42] <intelikey> ummm hmmm
[01:42] <U238Willy> i'll just pickup through adept..
[01:42] <U238Willy> thank you all..
[01:42] <U238Willy> btw..
[01:43] <U238Willy> on the nvidia-glx issue.. i distinctly remember that two different lines.. maybe even three needed to be changed int xorg.conf
[01:43] <U238Willy> *in
[01:43] <U238Willy> i had a laptop that was running..
[01:43] <U238Willy> edgy eft
[01:44] <U238Willy> and i remember that alittle kate with xorg.conf.. and some changes in the driver lines.. were required..
[01:44] <posingaspopular> hey all, im trying to install pidgin in kubuntu feisty. right now i have a pidin -2.1.1.tar.bz2 file in my computer, but what do i do after that
[01:44] <Arwen> posingaspopular, um...
[01:44] <posingaspopular> tar -xv (file)
[01:44] <Arwen> !compile
[01:44] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[01:45] <posingaspopular> got it thanks
[01:45] <Arwen> if you don't know how to do this, I seriously recommend that you don't try
[01:45] <Arwen> if nothing else, it'll make upgrading to gutsy more difficult
[01:46] <intelikey> Arwen he's gone.
[01:46] <Arwen> gah..
[01:46] <NickPresta> heh
[01:46] <U238Willy> soo.. it's fiesty fawn.. there's a gutsy now?
[01:46] <Arwen> why doesn't anyone ever listen
[01:46] <NickPresta> and Pidgin 2.1.1 is in the repos now anyways
[01:46] <Arwen> U238Willy, it's in pre-release
[01:46] <Arwen> Alpha 5
[01:46] <intelikey> U238Willy not yet...
[01:46] <U238Willy> ah
[01:47] <U238Willy> and kde 4? is in pre-release still yes?
[01:47] <Arwen> KDE4 is beta
[01:47] <eljefe> not really sure what it holds, however... what are some big changes in gutsy?
[01:47] <Arwen> eljefe, no version of Ubuntu really has any big changes. It's mostly just newer packages.
[01:47] <eljefe> i'm just looking for kde 3.5.7 and kdenlive native packages!
[01:47] <U238Willy> i've been a KDE fan.. since.. Suse 9.3
[01:48] <eljefe> Arwen: i thought dapper to feisty had some pretty big changes
[01:48] <Arwen> eljefe, 3.5.7 has been backported - kubuntu.org
[01:48] <U238Willy> then moved to ubuntu
[01:48] <intelikey> eljefe new bugs,  new user configuration issues,  and some different eyecandy
[01:48] <eljefe> i know, but it *always* messes with my computer.  i pass.
[01:48] <Azzco> Well and the artwork
[01:48] <reldruh> can anybody point me in the direction of an easy-to-use video editing program?  I tried using Cinelerra but it was too confusing.
[01:48] <eljefe> intelikey: lol, gives me something to bug report about!
[01:49] <U238Willy> eljefe
[01:49] <U238Willy> would you mention where you got your video editor?
[01:49] <eljefe> U238Willy: yeah?  i love the KDE! ;)  I started with SuSE 8.2 but once I wend debian, i never went back
[01:49] <U238Willy> eljefe, same here..
[01:49] <eljefe> yeah one minute... problem is, right now i cannot export any of the video clips I have! :(
[01:49] <eljefe> one moment
[01:50] <BluesKaj> eljefe, actually i had a prob with previous KDE upgrades , but this was the least troublesome so far
[01:50] <eljefe> BluesKaj: yeah?  hm... well i still think i am going to wait, it just makes gutsy have one more 'gotta have it's
[01:51] <drewcipher> reldruh: have you tried avidemux?
[01:51] <BluesKaj> hehe, gutsy ...not toostable yet
[01:51] <reldruh> drewcipher: not yet, is that easy to use?
[01:51] <[cellfrog] > Hi
[01:51] <eljefe> U238Willy: here is the program's page http://www.kdenlive.org/ and here is the repository info http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/dists/feisty/3v1n0/index.html
[01:52] <eljefe> lol
[01:52] <[cellfrog] >
[01:52] <U238Willy> btw.. that may help reldruh's question
[01:52] <eljefe> intelikey: wheres the fun in that?
[01:52] <drewcipher> reldruh:  I have found it super easy so far but I have mainly used it to pull snippets out of movies vs. doing what you're doing.
[01:52] <intelikey> eljefe in decyphering the statement ?  :)
[01:52] <eljefe> lol
[01:52] <reldruh> I'm installing avidemux now. Thanks :-)
[01:53] <eljefe> drewcipher: you like avidemux?  i never understood what i was supposed to do with it.
[01:53] <eljefe> is it an editor?
[01:53] <U238Willy> ok.. i'm gonna lurk now.. but thank you all again.. all seems to work as it should (*fingers crossed*.. nah.. i'll just come out of lurk mode)
[01:53] <eljefe> lol cool
[01:54] <drewcipher> eljefe:  I am really low-res on my movies so it has worked great.  no hard core use.
[01:54] <eljefe> can anyone tell me how to disable whatever window manager i have now and make KDE use KDM again?
[01:54] <eljefe> drewcipher: is there a timeline anywhere?
[01:54] <intelikey> eljefe   cat ~/.wmrc
[01:55] <eljefe> k one moment
[01:55] <eljefe>  No such file or directory
[01:55] <drewcipher> eljefe:  my timeline shows right in the UI.
[01:55] <eljefe> drewcipher: its been a year or something, but i don't recall it being anything i 'got'
[01:55] <intelikey> eljefe hmmm   cat ~/.xsession     ?
[01:55] <[cellfrog] > Bye.
[01:56] <eljefe> i tried a few times, maybe i should be looking anew
[01:56] <eljefe> intelikey: only .xsession-errors :(
[01:57] <intelikey> eljefe then it's something in kde   check in  kcontrol and see if there's a setting
[01:58] <eljefe> intelikey: it happened when i added the LinuxMCE repos, and then installed that.  Which I don't use, but its there.
[01:58] <intelikey> ;/
[01:59] <eljefe> my window decorations look sweet! from before I installed MCE.  But they're not in use, and I don't see anyything in kcontrol
[02:01] <intelikey> hehhe ooops i've locked my self out.    be back after i pick the lock...   ;S
[02:02] <andresj> elijefe, the same thing happened to me when I tried to install LinuxMCE... it screwed many things up... so I just reinstalled Kubuntu. but I'm sure there's a setting you can change, what I know is that it is not in your /home/ folders (might be in /etc/)
[02:02] <intelikey> that was interesting...
[02:04] <intelikey> for Q in kwin kdm kubuntu ;do sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow $Q ;done
[02:05] <intelikey> or just    sudo apt-get -f --reinstall install kwin
[02:05] <intelikey> both/either could work.
[02:06] <andresj> that's a better way... hadn't think of that.
[02:07] <Schuenemann> how can I check what framebuffer/text mode kubuntu is using?
[02:07] <intelikey> can anyone tell me if this is k6 or k7   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39144
[02:08] <Angelus> how can i creat initrd img for a custome kernel?
[02:08] <intelikey> Angelus if i were using a custome kernel it wouldn't need an init*.img
[02:09] <intelikey> Angelus none the less.   mkinitramfs -o <out_file.name> <version>
[02:10] <Angelus> intelikey: cause when i booted to custom kernel it gave ne some VFS error the cant load the root partition cause of some unrecocnized something
[02:10] <Angelus> :S
[02:11] <intelikey> Angelus only means that either disk or fs support aren't compiled into that kernel.
[02:11] <Angelus> where am i gonna find the disk or fs support?
[02:11] <Angelus> any idea?
[02:11] <intelikey> if the device is supported and the fs is supported and the kernel boot line is correct   no initramfs is needed
[02:12] <intelikey> Angelus if you compiled the kernel,  then you are the one responsable for the compile options.....
[02:12] <tazgodx_> where do i go to get help with writing a small script?
[02:12] <intelikey> tazgodx_ right here.
[02:12] <Angelus> intelikey: no,  i used make oldconfig
[02:12] <Angelus> so it uses kubuntus config
[02:12] <Angelus> and answered only the new questions
[02:13] <intelikey> Angelus you are the one that issued that command so you are still the one to blame for it not having the correct driver....
[02:13] <tazgodx_> ok, well my mom sent me a zip file with a ton of folders, all of which have 1 file in each, is there a script i can write to move all those files into the main dir?
[02:14] <Angelus> so intelikey i shouldnt use kubuntu's config for a custom kernel and build the options from scratch?
[02:16] <intelikey> tazgodx_ sure.  the command would look something like this;    find /base/path/ -type f -exec cp '{}' /new/dir \;     <<<< you want to inturpret  /base/path/   and /new/dir   the rest is verbatom
[02:16] <intelikey> Angelus or use the command  i showed you to build an initramfs image file.
[02:16] <intelikey> pick your take.
[02:16] <Angelus> so if i build the initramfs it should load good?
[02:16] <intelikey> in theory.    but not always in practice
[02:16] <intelikey> i've had to rebuild several...
[02:17] <Angelus> oh
[02:17] <Angelus> i see
[02:17] <tazgodx_> thanks, ill try that now
[02:17] <Angelus> i'll give it a try
[02:17] <Angelus> thanks intelikey :)
[02:17] <Angelus> ah btw, in case i should start the kernel from scratch, can you tell me which is best to use if modules or built-in ?
[02:18] <Schuenemann> how do I find out the framebuffer/text mode? I changed my graphic card and now I can't see any output between boot and X initialization
[02:18] <intelikey> tazgodx_ note that only copies them   incase anything goes wrong...   one could use  the move command  "mv"  rather than the copy command "cp"  \
[02:18] <tazgodx_> ok, ill do the move command, just cause i have it in my e-mail still
[02:19] <intelikey> Angelus you want builtin for only the things you know you need to get booted.  all else as modules.
[02:19] <Angelus> ok thanks :D
[02:20] <intelikey> Angelus i.e. ide-disk ext2/3     is all i would need built in.
[02:20] <intelikey> well  and cramfs and the normal things the kernel has to have....   but that's a given
[02:20] <Angelus> only?
[02:20] <Angelus> O_o
[02:21] <intelikey> yes only
[02:21] <tazgodx_> sweet, works great! thanks
[02:21] <Angelus> i used to build everything build-in nearly
[02:21] <intelikey> i doubt that
[02:22] <Angelus> really
[02:22] <intelikey> your kernel will not load if you do that.   it will be too big to fit in ram.
[02:22] <Angelus> on gentoo
[02:22] <Angelus> :/
[02:22] <Angelus> i have 1GB ram O_o
[02:22] <intelikey> operative word.   everything
[02:22] <Angelus> no
[02:22] <Angelus> i didnt say everything
[02:22] <Angelus> i said 'nearly'
[02:22] <Angelus> ;p
[02:22] <Angelus> most of the things
 i used to build everything build-in nearly
[02:22] <Angelus> yeah
[02:22] <Angelus> see
[02:22] <Angelus> nearly
[02:22] <Angelus> last word
[02:22] <Angelus> lol
[02:22] <Angelus> :p
[02:23] <intelikey> so nearly everything means less than one percent actually ???
[02:23] <intelikey> kewl
[02:24] <intelikey> Schuenemann if there is a vga= in the kernel line that's it.
[02:24] <Schuenemann> intelikey, where?
[02:25] <intelikey>  /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:25] <Schuenemann> this? kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.20-16-generic root=UUID=43e57296-0c2c-4387-92ff-7db54b0354d6 ro quiet splash
[02:25] <intelikey> that's where you would specify it.    yes.
[02:26] <intelikey> and seeing that it's not there.   i'll go out on a limb and say it's in the initramfs.img-2.6.20-16-generic
[02:26] <Schuenemann> what do I do? I never changed anything there, just changed graphic card
[02:26] <intelikey> i think i wrote a script for editing those once
[02:27] <intelikey> Schuenemann rebuild it.
[02:27] <intelikey> !usplash
[02:27] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[02:27] <Schuenemann> I'm not sure you got the problem: I have a blank screen during boot
[02:27] <intelikey> Angelus that link might help with your Q also  ^
[02:28] <intelikey> Schuenemann i'm sure i got it.
[02:28] <intelikey> can i be sure enough for both of us ???
[02:28] <Schuenemann> heh
[02:28] <Angelus> oh
[02:28] <Angelus> thanks
[02:29] <Schuenemann> just a minute, I need to reboot, brb
[02:31] <Schuenemann> intelikey, changing it to nosplash solved
[02:32] <intelikey> yeah.   i though you wanted the eyecandy...    i could have told you nosplash vga=normal
[02:33] <Schuenemann> yeah, I suspected you didn't get it when you said artwork :-)
[02:33] <intelikey> and everyone else would have said  'NO DON'T DO THAT, IT'S UGLY'
[02:33] <Schuenemann> ugly is having a blank screen during boot
[02:34] <intelikey> Schuenemann i got it.   just expected you wanted it fixed,  not dismissed
[02:34] <Schuenemann> dismissed?
[02:34] <intelikey> yeah.
[02:34] <Schuenemann> what do you mean?
[02:34] <intelikey> nothing.  never mind.
[02:34] <intelikey> i'll be back in a few.
[02:34] <Schuenemann> isn't it fixed now?
[02:54] <Daisuke_Laptop> still can't figure out why i have no direct rendering
[02:56] <aaron>  ok. so i have a linux firewall running iptables. I sometimes download torrents on port 49xxx. When I do, en open this port on my firewall, and when my torrent is done, I close it back up. using iptraf, i see connections every now and then to that port, even though it's closed.... is this because the torrent tracker announces to the other clients to connect to me on that port?
[03:04] <ubuntu__> ?
[03:04] <ubuntu__> alguem?
[03:05] <NickPresta> ?
[03:07] <kgx> has anyone use workrave on Windows XP? it really slows down my computer for around 10 seconds every hour or so...quite annoying. anyone knows a fix?
[03:08] <NickPresta> kgx, you're asking if we know a fix for workrave as it slows down your computer in Win XP?
[03:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> !windows | kgx
[03:08] <ubotu> kgx: For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[03:09] <namol> I'd remove windows
[03:09] <Schuenemann> !br | ubuntu__
[03:09] <namol> sounds like the problem to me
[03:09] <ubotu> ubuntu__: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[03:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> kgx: in other words, we don't help with windows problems, sorry.
[03:09] <ubuntu__> #ubuntu-br
[03:09] <kgx> NickPresta: lol :p meh..i hate windows sometimes...
[03:10] <namol> type /join #ubuntu-br
[03:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> sometimes?  try all the time
[03:10] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's why we don't use it (for the most part)
[03:10] <namol> I use both actually, I'm pulling down the new MoH:Airborne game
[03:10] <zgmf-x20a> hey can someone please help me here.  first, the desktop cd for kubuntu, 6.10, this is the live cd correct?
[03:10] <Schuenemann> it is both
[03:11] <Schuenemann> but there is version 7.04 there
[03:11] <kgx> yeah, its just that i've started some windows development work and *have* to use windows
[03:11] <Schuenemann> available to download, I mean
[03:11] <ubuntu__> #ubuntu-pt
[03:11] <Schuenemann> kgx, using (yuck) .NET?
[03:11] <ubuntu__> ?
[03:11] <zgmf-x20a> yes it is, but 6.10 is more stable.  ok, so, how do i get into the live cd when it is at the prompt ubuntu@ubuntu???
[03:11] <namol> kgx: what are you developing?
[03:12] <Schuenemann> zgmf-x20a, 7.04 is stable
[03:12] <kgx> namol: c# software
[03:12] <kgx> check out what i got from ##windows:
[03:12] <kgx> has anyone use workrave on Windows XP? it really slows down my computer for around 10 seconds every hour or so...quite annoying. anyone knows a fix?
[03:12] <kgx> oops, hand on
[03:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> 6.10 is more stable? what are you smoking?
[03:12] <kgx> [13:11]  <kgx> has anyone use workrave on Windows XP? it really slows down my computer for around 10 seconds every hour or so...quite annoying. anyone knows a fix?
[03:12] <kgx> [13:11]  <ppj> No idea what Workrave is
[03:12] <kgx> [13:11]  <-- fuzzybunny has left this server (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)).
[03:12] <kgx> [13:11]  <elite101> me either
[03:12] <kgx> [13:11]  <SomeIdiot> sounds like something that might deliberately slow a computer down heh
[03:12] <kgx> lol :D
[03:12] <posingaspopular> zgmf-x20a: what site are you on? can i get a link
[03:12] <zgmf-x20a> Schuenemann: lol ok, well i will try that cd later then, but im trying my first attempt at vist and kubuntu dual boot
[03:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> !paste
[03:12] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:12] <Schuenemann> !pastebin | kgx
[03:12] <ubotu> kgx: please see above
[03:12] <namol> lol
[03:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> zgmf-x20a: vista too?
[03:13] <zgmf-x20a> yes, vista and 6.10. dual boot
[03:13] <namol> install vista first
[03:13] <zgmf-x20a> i did
[03:13] <namol> then kubuntu
[03:13] <zgmf-x20a> and i did proper partions
[03:13] <namol> you'll be fine
[03:13] <namol> even a monkey can do it
[03:13] <zgmf-x20a> no, the problem is, how do i get past ubuntu@ubuntu prompt?
[03:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> apparently not, we shaved apes make the easiest things difficult.
[03:14] <namol> startx?
[03:14] <Daisuke_Laptop> uh...  did you install the server edition?\
[03:14] <zgmf-x20a> and namol it is not like an xp dual boot
[03:14] <ubuntu__> speaks in Portuguese?
[03:15] <zgmf-x20a> fatal error.  no screens found
[03:15] <namol> sounds like a X11 problem
[03:15] <zgmf-x20a> yes it does
[03:15] <namol> probably a config problem
[03:15] <zgmf-x20a> crap i forget the code, let me try and ring that up again
[03:15] <zgmf-x20a> i think i have to change it to vesa
[03:16] <zgmf-x20a> CRAP thats why 7.04 didnt work then!
[03:16] <zgmf-x20a> ARGH!
[03:16] <zgmf-x20a> lol, ok brb
[03:16] <ubuntu__>  speaks in Portuguese?
[03:18] <ubuntu__> ??
[03:18] <elite101> kgx, what?
[03:18] <elite101> why did u paste from windows channel to linux o_0?
[03:18] <aaron> anyone know the default user/pass for the ntop package?
[03:18] <Schuenemann> ubuntu__, /join #ubuntu-br
[03:18] <kgx> elite101: reponse to something i talked about before..no need to get excited ;)
[03:19] <elite101> ohh?
[03:21] <elite101> :) no worry then
[03:22] <ubuntu__> ????#ubuntu-br???
[03:22] <Schuenemann> escreve /join #ubuntu-br
[03:25] <zgmf-x20a> SUCCESS!!!!!!
[03:25] <zgmf-x20a> now to find out if i did the partians proper for damned vista
[03:26] <zgmf-x20a> i cant believe i cant use xp anymore for my dual boot, so irritating!
[03:26] <Schuenemann> dude, vista = viruses intruders spyware trojan adware
[03:27] <Biovore> XP/Vista boot in the same fasion..
[03:27] <Biovore> chainload +1
[03:27] <[pyro] > hey guys, im currently logged into my dad's kubuntu box via SSH and im trying to launch Kopete for him remotely. Can anyone remember the switch's i need to use so it will bind to his DISPLAY being :0 ?
[03:28] <Biovore> [pyro] : um..  you logged in as his user?
[03:28] <[pyro] > yep
[03:28] <Biovore> you can try export DISPLAY=:0.0  then run kopete
[03:28] <Biovore> Not sure if that will work..
[03:28] <[pyro] > cool ill give it a go
[03:29] <Berzerker> question, maybe someone knows
[03:29] <Biovore> But what your asking is possible.. or you can setup a remote desktop connection..
[03:29] <Berzerker> how do I reorder groups in kopete
[03:29] <Berzerker> ?
[03:29] <[pyro] > Biovore: yep that worked, cheers :)
[03:29] <Biovore> [pyro] : ok cool.. :-)
[03:29] <[pyro] > i knew it could be done, just couldnt remember what it was i needed to do to get it working
[03:30] <RobNyc> anyone here has kickoff ?
[03:30] <RobNyc> !kickoff
[03:30] <ubotu> Kickoff is a new KDE menu replacement developed by openSUSE. See http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2331
[03:30] <flaccid> !find kickoff
[03:30] <Berzerker> what does it do?
[03:30] <ubotu> Package/file kickoff does not exist in feisty
[03:30] <RobNyc> i found this on kde-look http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kickoff-qt+on++Kubuntu+7.04?content=55864
[03:31] <Biovore> No.. but I use something simular called tastymenu
[03:31] <Biovore> they have debs.. just download and install
[03:31] <RobNyc> Biovore, can i see your screenie
[03:32] <Berzerker> how does one go about installing kickoff?
[03:32] <Biovore> I don't have a screenie of it.. I had to build it for my box..
[03:32] <flaccid> can someone point me to the right deb for kickoff... seems a bit badly organised/packaged
[03:32] <zgmf-x20a> namol: you still here?
[03:32] <radioaktivstorm> why is it that when i use the arrow keys to go through a directory when opening a file some things are skipped?
[03:32] <Biovore> kickoff looks like its been packaged in a .deb for you..
[03:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> kickoff is well packaged on kde-look.org
[03:32] <Daisuke_Laptop> works great
[03:32] <Biovore> looks like you need to install the lib first then install the package..
[03:33] <flaccid> Biovore: URL please
[03:33] <_michael> hello I was wondering if there is a way to launch an app from virtual desktop 1 (command line) and have it appear on virtual desktop 2 any suggestions?
[03:33] <Biovore> flaccid: for tastymenu?
[03:33] <zgmf-x20a> guess not.  aight, anyone here do a vista and kubuntu dual boot recently?
[03:33] <flaccid> kickoff or tastymenu im up to try either/or
[03:33] <Biovore> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Tasty+Menu?content=41866
[03:33] <RobNyc> how does tastymenu look
[03:34] <Biovore> there 1.0 of tasty menu
[03:34] <RobNyc> ah lets see
[03:34] <RobNyc> i already have that
[03:34] <zgmf-x20a> anyone here do a vista and kubuntu dual boot recently?
[03:34] <RobNyc> im using Linux MINT KDE they use something similar
[03:34] <flaccid> thanks
[03:35] <zgmf-x20a> anyone?
[03:35] <Biovore> zgmf-x20a: I have it working..
[03:36] <zgmf-x20a> nice, ok, quick question Biovore
[03:36] <[pyro] > Biovore: haha my dad's whinging because i launched kopete while he was watching a movie
[03:36] <zgmf-x20a> im doing it this way:  http://www.commonmancomputing.com/y/Learn/DualBootVistaandLinux/tabid/62/Default.aspx
[03:36] <[pyro] > "HTF did this just open itself? i closed it!!"
[03:36] <zgmf-x20a> has anything changed since vista was beta?
[03:36] <Biovore> http://www.biovore.net/Fileserver/tastymenu_screenshot.png
[03:36] <Biovore> ^ tastymenu on my box here..
[03:37] <Biovore> well it the same way to boot xp.. same thing basicly..
[03:37] <Biovore> chainload +1
[03:37] <zgmf-x20a> Biovore: and btw, wtf, why is it 10gb!?!?!?  argh i wish i could use xp again
[03:37] <Biovore> on the partion..
[03:37] <Biovore> 10gb?
[03:37] <Biovore> gigabit?
[03:38] <zgmf-x20a> yahhhhhhhhh!!!
[03:38] <zgmf-x20a> i was like, wtf!?
[03:38] <Biovore> what nic?
[03:38] <zgmf-x20a> nic?
[03:38] <Biovore> they do exists..
[03:38] <Biovore> 10gb network interface cards
[03:38] <zgmf-x20a> lol, no the install, was 10gb of hd space
[03:38] <Biovore> for vista?
[03:38] <zgmf-x20a> yah
[03:39] <Biovore> must be premium..
[03:39] <zgmf-x20a> o, yah, home premium
[03:39] <Biovore> was only 4 here..
[03:39] <zgmf-x20a> it came with the laptop
[03:39] <Biovore> must be all the extra spyware..
[03:39] <Biovore> :-P
[03:39] <Biovore> it is windows afterall :-)
[03:39] <zgmf-x20a> but i cant use xp, cause i ordered the new WD scorpio 250gb drive and windows xp install cds cannot recognize it
[03:40] <Biovore> err.. there serial ata..
[03:40] <Biovore> they work with XP
[03:40] <zgmf-x20a> lol.... not a big fan of windows at all, but need it for games
[03:40] <Biovore> you just have an old xp disk.. so you need to have that drivers floppy thing..
[03:40] <Biovore> sata didn't get supported untill SP2
[03:40] <zgmf-x20a> yah it is sata, wait whats this drivers floppy thing!?
[03:40] <zgmf-x20a> it is an sp2 disk
[03:41] <Biovore> well most mobo came with a floppy
[03:41] <zgmf-x20a> erm.... its a laptop though, so no floppy drive
[03:41] <Arwen> zgmf-x20a, get a USB drive.
[03:41] <zgmf-x20a> its the asus f3sv-a1
[03:41] <Biovore> XP installer can't read a USB disk for installing drivers from the installer
[03:41] <Biovore> probably use a USB floppy
[03:42] <Schuenemann> in other words, XP is junk
[03:43] <zgmf-x20a> a floppy drive to usb??  yah i MUCH! prefer xp or vista, just look at these results!  vista is crap!! http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/29/xp-vs-vista/
[03:43] <Schuenemann> yeah, me too... but that isn't a great thing, you know
[03:43] <Biovore> yeah..  but MS is pulling the old marking gag..  there only releasing Directx 10 on vista..
[03:43] <zgmf-x20a> Biovore: check outthat posting
[03:43] <Biovore> I have seen it once..
[03:43] <zgmf-x20a> Biovore: i know, hat is such bs too
[03:44] <Biovore> but no fear.. because hackers have made it work on XP :-P
[03:44] <Daisuke_Laptop> vista's a waste of money, but we already know that, this is #kubuntu :D
[03:44] <zgmf-x20a> yah it wont be long before they make it backwards compatible
[03:44] <Biovore> and probably not for far in the furture.. wine will do DirectX 10
[03:44] <Schuenemann> Daisuke_Laptop, actually I can have a free copy, but it's junk anyway
[03:45] <zgmf-x20a> lol
[03:45] <Biovore> native linux port for that one as well.. think bioshock looks nice.. you havn't seen crud yet..
[03:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> Schuenemann: even for free it's roo expensive
[03:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> too*
[03:45] <Schuenemann> hehe
[03:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> upkeep cost
[03:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> antivirus
[03:45] <Arwen> zgmf-x20a, on those benchmarks, properly multi-threaded apps ran faster on Vista.
[03:45] <zgmf-x20a> so anyways, hey biovare, let me get this straight, you installed vista on your whole drive, without partioning, then installed kubuntu afterwards and manual edit the partians, and it worked!?
[03:45] <Arwen> think again.
[03:45] <Schuenemann> yeah, I would waste a dvd media too
[03:46] <Biovore> zgmf-x20a: I have done it that way..
[03:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> Arwen: since when are apps properly multi-threaded?
[03:46] <zgmf-x20a> lol, yah but look at thos encoding results, they take much longer, those are big %'s
[03:46] <Biovore> zgmf-x20a: http://www.biovore.net/Fileserver/menu.lst  <-- my menu.lst file for grub on my box.. your may very...
[03:47] <Biovore> dual boots vista and linux
[03:48] <zgmf-x20a> Biovore: really!?  so crap im going thru all this damn crap on this link here for nothing!?!!?!?!?  ARGH! http://www.commonmancomputing.com/y/Learn/DualBootVistaandLinux/tabid/62/Default.aspx
[03:48] <Biovore> yeah.. just need to update the menu.lst file.. thats it..
[03:48] <zgmf-x20a> o...m...g....
[03:48] <zgmf-x20a> X_X
[03:49] <Biovore> zgmf-x20a: just add that bold stuff at the end of the link to your menu.lst file..
[03:49] <Biovore> reboot
[03:49] <Biovore> and select vista..
[03:49] <Biovore> should work..
[03:49] <zgmf-x20a> after installing it the same way as b4 with xp right?
[03:49] <Biovore> yup
[03:49] <zgmf-x20a> ARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[03:49] <zgmf-x20a> lol
[03:49] <Biovore> the boot method is the same.. chainload +1
[03:50] <Biovore> basicly grub just boot the windows bootloader..
[03:52] <zgmf-x20a> woahhhhh.....  the way i did things here, i think i somehow managed to make it so i dont need to edit the menu list..... wtf???  one sec
[03:54] <zgmf-x20a> WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:54] <zgmf-x20a> i did!?!?!!??!?!?
[03:54] <zgmf-x20a> THATS AWESOME!!!
[03:55] <flaccid> no shouting please
[03:55] <Berzerker> how would I rearrange groups in kopete
[03:55] <Berzerker> ?
[03:55] <zgmf-x20a> Biovore: guy, i found a different way to do it so you dont have to edit anything man
[03:55] <zgmf-x20a> it jsut... does it
[03:56] <zgmf-x20a> sick....
[03:56] <Biovore> ok cool..  some program you run.. something has to update menu.lst..
[03:56] <flaccid> update-grub ?
[03:56] <zgmf-x20a> honestly, i just was using the xp vista install disk, and the live cd for 6.10 for kubuntu
[03:57] <zgmf-x20a> and the laptop is NOT connected to the net or anything
[03:57] <Biovore> yeah... if you have windows installed when you install linux.. it should add windows to the menu.lst automaticly..
[03:58] <zgmf-x20a> ooooooooooh ok ok, thats what happened then.  i partianed with vista and left a seperate partian for what i would use for kubuntu.  then live cd installed to that partian.
[03:59] <zgmf-x20a> unfortunatley i have to do everything all over again bc i didnt realize vista took up 10gb,,,,,,
[03:59] <zgmf-x20a> how irritating....
[04:00] <Biovore> well if you install windows again.. you can reinstall grub from windows.. or just use the cd and do a rescue..
[04:00] <Biovore> won't have to reinstall linux..
[04:01] <zgmf-x20a> true i can do that
[04:01] <zgmf-x20a> hey Biovore i have a question what is this 5.80 gb used for when installling vista?
[04:02] <Biovore> no clue.. as Microsoft..  probably graphics and bloat..
[04:03] <zgmf-x20a> actually im going to experiement and delete it, change it to fat32 and see if it can be utilized to swap data between both sides
[04:03] <zgmf-x20a> here goes
[04:03] <Biovore> 5.8 GB with vista gets you a OS with basicly nothing else..   5GB on kubuntu get you an OS and tons of apps..
[04:03] <Biovore> that works good.. :-)
[04:03] <Berzerker> how would I rearrange groups in kopete?
[04:03] <Biovore> ext2fsd on windows allows windows to work with ext3 filesystems..
[04:03] <zgmf-x20a> wait, that 5.8gb, is that kubuntu from the other side?
[04:03] <Biovore> no clue.. I never do that..
[04:03] <NickPresta> Biovore, considering a LiveCD image @ ~700MB has more than a vanilla install of Windows, I would say 5G in Kubuntu goes quite a ways. :)
[04:04] <Biovore> NickPresta: yes yes.. :-)
[04:04] <zgmf-x20a> hey Biovore that isnt the kubuntu install is it?
[04:04] <Biovore> no..
[04:05] <zgmf-x20a> ok cool thanks
[04:05] <Biovore> I think its 2GB for kubuntu default..
[04:05] <Biovore> under that
[04:06] <zgmf-x20a> well, were about to find out.  lol
[04:06] <Biovore> ok hf..
[04:06] <mrksbrd> how do you format a ntfs usb drive to linux format?
[04:07] <flaccid> !format
[04:07] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[04:07] <mrksbrd> ty
[04:08] <zgmf-x20a> Biovore: yah, dude it works fine....  it was randomly created by vista during the install...
[04:08] <flaccid> np
[04:08] <Biovore> what was created randomly?
[04:09] <mrksbrd> !diskmounter
[04:09] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[04:09] <zgmf-x20a> that 5.80gb partian during the install.  but whatever i will use it as fat32 swap area between the systems
[04:11] <flaccid> !info konqueror
[04:11] <ubotu> konqueror: KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu20.1 (feisty), package size 1992 kB, installed size 5324 kB
[04:17] <Angelus> any help please? my custom kernel is freezing at boot when it comes to "begining: waiting for root filesystem... ... "
[04:17] <Angelus> it stays like that
[04:17] <aaron> i need help recompiling ntop.
[04:17] <aaron> anyone?
[04:17] <Biovore> !kernel
[04:18] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[04:18] <Angelus> dud
[04:18] <Angelus> i know how to build a kernel
[04:18] <Angelus> i builded alot
[04:18] <Angelus> im seeing this error for the first time
[04:18] <flaccid> ##linux or #kernel might be able to help
[04:18] <Angelus> on kubuntu
[04:18] <Angelus> :/
[04:18] <Biovore> udev makes life unhappy..
[04:19] <Angelus> im trying to boot the latest kernel from kernel.org
[04:19] <mneptok> Angelus: why?
[04:19] <Biovore> I do too.. newer OSes like the latest redhat, Suse and ubuntu..  have a newer build procedure..
[04:19] <JackPhil> does kaffeine-xine support sub/idx subtitles?
[04:19] <Biovore> Angelus: have to have udev support and a ramdisk..
[04:19] <keen> can i get some help with compiz?
[04:19] <Biovore> !beryl
[04:19] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:20] <Angelus> i have the ramdisk img, and it loaded.
[04:20] <keen> i can't get window decorations because compiz-kde crashes everytime i try to start it?
[04:20] <keen> any ideas?
[04:20] <Biovore> nope.. it beta wear.. expect pain..
[04:21] <mneptok> Angelus: why do you need a custom kernel?
[04:21] <Angelus> cause its 2 versions above kubuntu's?
[04:21] <Angelus> i like to have the latest things
[04:21] <Angelus> ;p
[04:21] <Biovore> and..
[04:21] <mneptok> so?
[04:21] <Biovore> newer isn't better..
[04:21] <Biovore> :-P
[04:21] <Angelus> ah...
[04:22] <Angelus> im not a pro, and i think many different from you
[04:22] <Angelus> lol
[04:22] <Arwen> Biovore, it should. Disclaimer: I use MPlayer and nothing else.
[04:22] <mneptok> what failures did you have with the stock Ubuntu kernel?
[04:22] <Biovore> Arwen: ?
[04:22] <Arwen> oh wait, wrong user
[04:22] <Arwen> JackPhil, what I said
[04:22] <Biovore> hehe
[04:23] <Angelus> mneptok: as i told you , not a matter of failure , matter of attitude
[04:23] <Angelus> :p
[04:23] <mneptok> Angelus: ever heard the phrase "if it ain't broke, don't fix it?"
[04:23] <Biovore> well basicly you probably don't want to go down the kernel road unless you are a pro..
[04:24] <Biovore> I have done it before.. and basicly it a big job..
[04:24] <Angelus> compiling a kernel is the third think i learned on linux
[04:24] <Angelus> i have done it 100times on gentoo
[04:24] <Angelus> lol
[04:24] <flaccid> why you need to recompile the kernel for in this case?
[04:24] <Biovore> yes.. works deferenty in the big boy world though..
[04:26] <Biovore> Angelus: ubuntu kernel has added patches to it..
[04:26] <Angelus> ah
[04:26] <Angelus> i see
[04:27] <flaccid> but is there any need in this case for kernel re-compilation
[04:28] <Biovore> probably not..
[04:28] <mneptok> definitely not
[04:28] <Biovore> unless your doing something very custom..
[04:28] <Biovore> and in that case.. you probably shouldn't be using ubuntu..
[04:29] <flaccid> ubuntu is desktop operating system
[04:29] <flaccid> yeah i agree leave the custom stuff to do on things like gentoo and debian
[04:31] <keen> any one know why kde window decorator keeps crashing when i start compiz?
[04:31] <Biovore> nope..
[04:31] <Biovore> not officaly supported
[04:31] <flaccid> keen: #ubuntu+1
[04:31] <Arwen> !compiz
[04:31] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:31] <flaccid> i mean #ubuntu-effects
[04:32] <keen> nobody talks in there =(
[04:32] <Biovore> exactly.. :-P
[04:35] <firecrotch> So I'm looking for a way of controlling my home server, running Kubuntu, from my cell phone.  I was thinking I could use email to do it, since I can send SMS messages to email addresses
[04:35] <firecrotch> does anyone have any ideas on how I could do that?
[04:36] <mneptok> firecrotch: i use my cell phone to control my machies. i call my girlfriend and tell her what to do. ;)
[04:36] <firecrotch> mneptok: my girlfriend breaks stuff just being in the same room as my server ;)
[04:37] <mneptok> wind?
[04:37] <FrankH> fc: can you do ssh through your phone?
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> firecrotch, it may be possible, you'd have to do some pretty heavy scripting, but maybe use a fetchmail daemon and cat your inbox file while grepping for specific cmds
[04:37] <mneptok> "Why is Apache not running? And what smells like an open grave?"
[04:37] <firecrotch> FrankH: Nope, my phone isn't that advanced.
[04:38] <mneptok> firecrotch: you in the US?
[04:38] <firecrotch> hitmanWilly: Thanks for the suggestion.
[04:38] <firecrotch> mneptok:  Yes.
[04:38] <mneptok> firecrotch: http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-770-internet-tablet-internet-tablet-2006-software-edition/q/loc/101/204081472.html
[04:39] <hitmanWilly> firecrotch, dangit, now you've gone and given me ideas :)
[04:39] <firecrotch> mneptok:  that would be nice if I could afford it
[04:39] <mneptok> firecrotch: grim.
[04:40] <firecrotch> hitmanWilly: you know what? This whole thing gives me the motivation to write an actual program to do it
[04:40] <hitmanWilly> firecrotch, the main issue would be implementing sudo cmds, but that could be done by forking the script to the background as the root user, though that isn't really all that secure
[04:41] <mneptok> firecrotch: your phone run Java apps?
[04:41] <keen> how do you tell a program to start up when you log on?
[04:41] <hitmanWilly> keen, in kde or in general?
[04:41] <firecrotch> mneptok:  Yes, but I have no way to put my own on it, unless I were to hack it to death
[04:42] <flaccid> !autostart
[04:42] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[04:42] <pxj> anybody?
[04:43] <firecrotch> hitmanWilly:  Now I want to learn C or C++ or something useful besides PHP
[04:43] <pxj> well
[04:43] <pxj> that's great
[04:43] <hitmanWilly> firecrotch, bash scripting should be sufficent in this case
[04:43] <flaccid> #bash rules
[04:44] <keen> hitmanwilly: kde
[04:44] <hitmanWilly> wow, a lot of hostility in here tonight...
[04:44] <firecrotch> hitmanWilly:  true, but it would be cool to make a program that others could easily use
[04:44] <flaccid> murchadh: because we are not an intelligent race
[04:44] <hitmanWilly> keen, see the link from ubotu then
[04:44] <flaccid> learn java :p
[04:44] <keen> ya just saw it
[04:45] <keen> i'm a bit slow atm, just installed kde for first time and learning it
[04:45] <hitmanWilly> ugh, id say python instead, java is S....L....O....W....
[04:46] <contrast83> hitmanWilly: You might check out Kommander
[04:47] <murchadh> Oney messin' guys!
[04:47] <murchadh> I like it in here.
[04:48] <hitmanWilly> firecrotch, id say have a fetchmail daemon running that grabs your mail every, say, 5 mins, set up for a dedicated acct, then grep the mailbox for say, "exec", then run everything after that cmd, but that's just how i'd implement it
[04:48] <Schuenemann> is the a program for copying copy-protected cds?
[04:49] <albertmk> is it a problem to run gedit on Kubuntu?
[04:49] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, try k9copy
[04:49] <contrast83> albertmk: use kate instead
[04:49] <albertmk> ok
[04:49] <contrast83> or kwrite
[04:49] <Schuenemann> isn't it for dvd only?
[04:49] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, or k3b does it too, IIRC
[04:49] <Schuenemann> hitmanWilly, how? I can't find a suitable option
[04:49] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, or dd :)
[04:50] <Schuenemann> I want to extract the image
[04:50] <contrast83> K3b requires you to have DVD9's though, if that's what you're copying them. It won't shrink them to DVD5's like K9Copy will
[04:50] <Schuenemann> it's a cd, not dvd
[04:50] <contrast83> if that's what you're copying from*
[04:50] <contrast83> ohh, cd. sorry, didn't read above.
[04:51] <Schuenemann> hitmanWilly, which k3b option is it?
[04:51] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: dd
[04:51] <Schuenemann> what is dd?
[04:51] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, try this in a konsole: if=/dev/cdrom of=<filename>.iso
[04:51] <jhutchins> A bash command.
[04:52] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, its a bit for bit dump from one file (or stdin) to another
[04:52] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: he means dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/path/<name>.iso
[04:52] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Whether that iso will burn correctly is questionable, but it will read it.
[04:52] <hitmanWilly> jhutchins, that's what i just said, well, sort of :)
[04:53] <Schuenemann> really? =/
[04:53] <jhutchins> hitmanWilly: Well, I did think that leaving out the command might be significant.
[04:53] <Schuenemann> not very helpful to have a non-burneable iso
[04:53] <hitmanWilly> iso files are uncompressed, so it should burn just fine, i would think
[04:53] <Schuenemann> I/O error
[04:53] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Well, not knowing the exact copy protection you have, I can't be sure, but you can: try it!
[04:54] <Schuenemann> is it really /dev/cdrom?
[04:54] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Pastebin the whole error.
[04:54] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Oh, the drive should NOT be mounted.
[04:54] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, you may have to sudo that as well since root owns everything in /dev
[04:54] <Tomi-idle> i got a problem with a folder showing up as a file with terabytes of size. how do i remove the file?
[04:55] <jhutchins> (Which might be a bit of a struggle with our all-automatic 'buntus.)
[04:55] <Schuenemann> nah, same error with sudo
[04:55] <Schuenemann> well, the cd is mounted
[04:55] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, in konsole, umount /dev/cdrom
[04:55] <jhutchins> Tomi-idle: First check the disk with fsck.
[04:55] <Schuenemann> did it
[04:55] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, try again
[04:55] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, the dd cmd
[04:56] <Schuenemann> same error
[04:56] <jhutchins> Tomi-idle: close everything, then in a console do sudo shutdown -F -r now
[04:56] <Schuenemann> sudo dd if=/dev/cdrom of=/home/otto/Desktop/aaa.iso
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, pastebin the whole error please
[04:56] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: check sudo mount to see if it's mouted.
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> !paste
[04:56] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:56] <Tomi-idle> jhutchins: k thx
[04:56] <Schuenemann> it's not mounted, it vanished from /media
[04:57] <jhutchins> check to be sure.
[04:57] <Schuenemann> chcked
[04:57] <jhutchins> k
[04:57] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Any more to the error that that?
[04:58] <Schuenemann> I'll type the whole error
[04:58] <albertmk> I need something like gksudo for Kubuntu.
[04:58] <hitmanWilly> albertmk, kdesu
[04:58] <albertmk> thanks
[04:58] <albertmk> Ubuntu seems a little bit different from Kubuntu
[04:59] <hitmanWilly> albertmk, only difference is gnome vs kde
[04:59] <flaccid> i don't think there is a qtsudo
[04:59] <flaccid> you need root in X i think
[04:59] <keen> omg...i think i hate kde.....
[04:59] <flaccid> ie. only kdesu
[04:59] <jhutchins> !kdesu | albertmk
[04:59] <ubotu> albertmk: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[04:59] <hitmanWilly> keen, why is that?
[05:00] <flaccid> i would ask about kde/sudo in #kde
[05:00] <Schuenemann> hitmanWilly, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34840/
[05:00] <Schuenemann> oops, sorry
[05:00] <Schuenemann> jhutchins, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34840/
[05:01] <keen> hitmanwilly: i can't get my windows key to be recognized as <Super>....compiz-core says it can be upgraded....downloads the stuff, upgrades, but it really doesn't upgrade.....i can't make it so that i can select a window just clicking on one....
[05:01] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Actually, that's a reasonable file size.
[05:01] <jhutchins> see if you can mount the iso via loopback.
[05:01] <Schuenemann> 5 MB is not reasonable for window
[05:01] <Schuenemann> windows*
[05:02] <hitmanWilly> lol
[05:02] <jhutchins> !loopback | Schuenemann
[05:02] <ubotu> Schuenemann: To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[05:02] <Schuenemann> and the message said "error" :-p
[05:02] <NickPresta> keen, I have done all those things you have trouble with. Perhaps you should explain each individual problem? Also, Compiz-Fusion is fairly alpha. You may want to try Beryl until Compiz is more stable.
[05:02] <mneptok> keen: do you *need* compositing?
[05:02] <flaccid> an io error will usually be physical damage on disk or problem with partition/fs
[05:02] <keen> nickpresta: well i just came from gnome  where compizfusion ran perfectly....makes me sad
[05:02] <contrast83> keen: i had a lot of problems using compiz-fusion from the repo's. you might try installing straight from GIT
[05:03] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: well, when it hits the bad tracks that are part of the copy protection, that shows as an error.
[05:03] <Schuenemann> I think that error is the protection
[05:03] <Schuenemann> I used the cd last week
[05:03] <hitmanWilly> lol, never thought id hear beryl and stable in the same sentence
[05:03] <Schuenemann> jhutchins, yeah, that's what I think
[05:03] <NickPresta> hitmanWilly, I would say it is far more stable than CF
[05:03] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: yes, probably.  vista?  (I misread the size)
[05:03] <NickPresta> hitmanWilly, at least in my experiences with both Beryl and CF
[05:03] <Schuenemann> it's xp
[05:03] <jhutchins> hitmanWilly: I use them together all the time - with the word NOT.
[05:03] <contrast83> keen: check and see what backend you're using in ccsm, also. changing that *might* help
[05:04] <keen> contrast83: well i tried new repos tonight, from the amanarath (sp) guide....buy they seem to not work well
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> yeah, well, that's like saying a two legged table is more stable than a one legged one, but i digress :P
[05:04] <jhutchins> keen: compiz was developed for gnome.
[05:04] <NickPresta> hitmanWilly, I think that is a fairly apt comparison :)
[05:04] <contrast83> keen: that was my experience with them also... you're on feisty, right?
[05:04] <keen> contrast83: ya, feisty
[05:04] <jhutchins> keen: kde and copiz don't totally agree about which gets to control what bits.
[05:04] <contrast83> keen: one sec...
[05:05] <Schuenemann> jhutchins, it was mounted, but I can't believe the ISO is only 5 MB
[05:05] <keen> contrast83: where do i tell my back end....it says gnome-terminal if thats what you mean
[05:05] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: I'd do some googling, there is probably a way around it in linux.
[05:05] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Well, compressed?  Is it vista?
[05:05] <Schuenemann> no, xp
[05:05] <jhutchins> Hm...
[05:05] <Schuenemann> VERY compressed? :p
[05:05] <contrast83> keen: http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=1985 - that walks you through compiling from git. that's the best way to go imo
[05:06] <jhutchins> I have a XP SP2 ISO that's not protected.
[05:06] <keen> contrast83: thanks i'll give it a try
[05:06] <Schuenemann> where did you get it?
[05:06] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, an iso of windows xp, i smell redmond being very irritated...lol
[05:06] <jhutchins> Um... local computer shop.  (US)
[05:06] <Schuenemann> jhutchins, I'd use windows for that if needed, but I can't find any free program for that
[05:06] <jhutchins> hang on a sec...
[05:06] <Schuenemann> the shop sold the ISO?
[05:07] <jhutchins> 564.5MB
[05:07] <Schuenemann> I copied the CD from the university, but the morons there do not allow me to copy the ISO
[05:07] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: No, it sold the disk.
[05:07] <contrast83> keen: compizconfig settings manager is where you'd change your backend. i don't have cf installed on this comp so i can't find exactly where it's at, but i think it's under advanced settings or preferences (in the left column under the listing of all the different types of plugins)
[05:07] <Schuenemann> and you extracted without any problems?
[05:07] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Ah, well yours is probably bulk licensed to the U so you don't need a key.
[05:07] <Schuenemann> I need a key
[05:07] <Rudz> How do i access windows files from Kubuntu which runs on vmware?
[05:08] <jhutchins> Oh.  Well, in that case, an iso should be easy to come by.
[05:08] <keen> contrast83: i have kde backend...should i try another?
[05:08] <Schuenemann> maybe I should copy to my pen drive when they're not seeing
[05:08] <Schuenemann> jhutchins, easy to come by?
[05:09] <hitmanWilly> actually, if you have a key, you should be able to download a non-cracked iso file almost anywhere
[05:09] <contrast83> keen: you can try changing it and seeing if it fixes anything. sometimes it does, but ymmv
[05:09] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, worst case there's always torrentspy :P
[05:10] <Schuenemann> but that would be cracked or something... or not?
[05:10] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, maybe or maybe not, but I see no ethical problems with it if you have a legit key
[05:11] <Schuenemann> if it's cracked I'll have no chances of using the key :-p
[05:11] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Actually, the stock iso is pretty easy to get, uncracked, because it requires a key to install.
[05:11] <keen> contrast83: well it fixed one problem by switching to gnome
[05:11] <Schuenemann> where? from MS site?
[05:11] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Do you have the key as just the numbers, or do you have the special little mS sticker?
[05:12] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Actually, yes, but you need a msdn id.
[05:12] <keen> contrast83: do you know how to get kde to recognize my win key as <Super>
[05:12] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, don't know, tend to avoid ms whenever possible
[05:12] <Schuenemann> I have the numbers
[05:12] <jhutchins> Ah.
[05:12] <Schuenemann> and a msdnAA id
[05:12] <Schuenemann> AA = academic alliance
[05:12] <jhutchins> If you had the sticker, you'd be able to download the iso.
[05:12] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Er, sorry, with the sticker you could get an iso/cd from a MS dealer.
[05:13] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Worth logging in and looking around then.
[05:13] <Schuenemann> maybe I should send them an email asking for a solution
[05:13] <hitmanWilly> jhutchins, is that like a drug dealer? :P
[05:13] <jhutchins> hitmanWilly: Yeah, but not as beneficial to society.
[05:13] <hitmanWilly> lol
[05:13] <Schuenemann> eheheh
[05:14] <contrast83> keen: umm... i could be wrong, but i think <Win> and <Super> are just two names for the same thing.
[05:14] <Schuenemann> I can't download
[05:14] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: My msdn id expired several years ago (I checked a while back), so I don't know, but you might be able to find it on msdn.
[05:14] <Schuenemann> the only option available is "bring a blank cd to the university and copy it"
[05:14] <keen> contrast83: then why doesn't compiz notice when i press the key?
[05:15] <jhutchins> keen: 'cause 'buntu's keyboard maps are squirrelly.
[05:15] <hitmanWilly> keen, kde takes over super for its own things, IIRC
[05:15] <tomi> running fdsk on the partition right now
[05:15] <contrast83> hitmanWilly: that's only if kwin is running and the shortcut in question is also used by it
[05:16] <keen> hitmanwilly: oh...so how do i fix it?
[05:16] <tomi> it restarted fsck and suddenly my monitor went black?
[05:16] <tomi> hd is still running though
[05:16] <Schuenemann> I think I'll try to break into the lab and copy the ISO
[05:16] <tomi> is this a problem or normal for monitor to lose signal during fsck? i used the "shutdown -F -f now"
[05:16] <contrast83> keen: what happens when you try to set a new shortcut in CompizConfig using the Win key?
[05:16] <jhutchins> tomi: Yeah, sorry, i tried to tell you what it would do but you were already gone.
[05:17] <hitmanWilly> Schuenemann, it could have just been a bad burn on the cd as well
[05:17] <jhutchins> tomi: It _should_ come back when it's done.
[05:17] <keen> nothing
[05:17] <keen> contrast83: nothing....
[05:17] <tomi> jhutchins: ok, just haven't backed up data in 8 years ^^;;;
[05:17] <Schuenemann> hitmanWilly, but I used on sunday
[05:17] <Schuenemann> used it*
[05:17] <tomi> jhutchins: so i got a bit scared.. heh
[05:17] <contrast83> keen: do you have the ring and/or shift switcher enabled?
[05:17] <tomi> fsck shouldn't screw up anything right?
[05:18] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Well, it could have been damaged since, or it could be, as you say, copy protected.  After all, I would assume that if all you have is a burned CD and a number, you don't have an actual XP license.
[05:18] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: The schools do have to avoid giving out free copies of XP beyond what they've agreed to and payed for.
[05:18] <keen> contrast83: shift switcher...i just tried with win again and it beeped at me
[05:18] <Schuenemann> jhutchins, isn't that number the license?
[05:18] <keen> contrast83: like kde hates my win key...
[05:19] <jhutchins> keen: Actual support for kubuntu on compiz/beryl is in #ubuntu-effects (combined).
[05:19] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: No, it's a key.
[05:19] <contrast83> keen: it's not kde's fault that most of the compiz devs use gnome. ;-)
[05:19] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Supposedly attached to a license.
[05:19] <Schuenemann> well, a licensed key
[05:19] <keen> jhutchiins: lol i'm in there too, hard to get anyone to talk in there
[05:19] <Schuenemann> the number was given by MS
[05:19] <NickPresta> keen, if you have /usr/bin/xmodmap, run it. It should show you the key modifiers. My Super key is assigned to mod4
[05:19] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Onec it's copied down though, it's no longer a full license.
[05:19] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Yes, but with restrictions.
[05:19] <Schuenemann> but the number was given exclusively to me
[05:20] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: By the school?
[05:20] <Schuenemann> no, by MS
[05:20] <contrast83> keen: do you have both the shift and ring switchers enabled, or just shift?
[05:20] <Schuenemann> that msdn page
[05:20] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: see, if you actually OWN the license, then you don't just get the number, you get the shiney/sparkly certificate.
[05:20] <Schuenemann> that's what I think
[05:21] <Schuenemann> there is an activation required when I first run xp
[05:21] <Schuenemann> online activation
[05:21] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Hmmm.  Well, like I said, I've been out of msdn for a while.
[05:21] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: So why do you need to copy the CD in the first place?
[05:21] <hitmanWilly> my guess is that its a bulk license, like they use for corporate customers
[05:21] <jhutchins> hitmanWilly: Mine too.
[05:21] <Biovore> actualy.. with windows XP and vista.. you don't OWN squat..
[05:21] <Biovore> your renting it..
[05:21] <tomi> lol
[05:21] <Biovore> at MS will
[05:21] <jhutchins> Biovore: Well, according to the digital mafia.
[05:21] <Schuenemann> because if it gets borked I'll have to go to school to record another, and it might be on sunday, or their computer might be broken, or many more boring situations
[05:22] <Biovore> Accoring to the EULA
[05:22] <NickPresta> keen, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1896988&postcount=12 Replace nano with vim/kate/whatever.
[05:22] <tomi> Schuenemann: so the activation doesn't work?
[05:22] <Schuenemann> it does work heh
[05:22] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Did they say anythnig about copy protection?
[05:22] <Biovore> not sure..
[05:22] <Schuenemann> they == school?
[05:22] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Yeah, or the MSDN site.
[05:23] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Anything like 'you can't make backups"?
[05:23] <Schuenemann> the school didn't say anything, but I asked for the ISO and they said they're not allowed to give it
[05:23] <jhutchins> ah.
[05:23] <Schuenemann> not that I know of
[05:23] <jhutchins> The plot thickens.
[05:23] <jhutchins> I'd take the CD back and say "it's b0rked, won't read beyond the first six MB".
[05:24] <Schuenemann> hehehe
[05:24] <jhutchins> Seriously - it might very well be.
[05:24] <Schuenemann> I don't think so... I tried recording I while ago, it had the same "problem"
[05:24] <Schuenemann> but installed fine
[05:24] <hitmanWilly> if dd doesn't read it, then that's the most likely cause i would say
[05:24] <jhutchins> The key is the only thing you had to enter to install?
[05:25] <Schuenemann> yes
[05:25] <Schuenemann> and there is the activation, when it is first ran
[05:25] <jhutchins> I'd say there's a good chance it's bad then.
[05:25] <jhutchins> Schuenemann: Right, on-line.
[05:25] <Schuenemann> correct
[05:27] <jhutchins> This has been so TOTALLY offtopic. Schuenemann If we need to continue, pleas hail me in kubuntu-oftopic.  (I'm looking for more info & iso's now)
[05:27] <Schuenemann> heh
[05:27] <Schuenemann> I'd better go sleep now
[05:27] <Schuenemann> thanks
[05:28] <Schuenemann> bye
[05:28] <jhutchins> Let us know how it turns out.
[05:31] <mrksbrd> ok i need some help!!!!
[05:31] <mrksbrd> i did this for fat32..........https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions#head-58b0f4b165129f43a80bba6c1c4227c490efa119
[05:32] <mrksbrd> but still not showing up on desktop & std it is already mounted
[05:32] <Dr_willis> check in media:/ not in /media/ ?
[05:32] <Dr_willis> or if the mount command shows it.. just enter its path /media/whatever in a address bar in konqueror
[05:33] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: re-mount it with the new options.
[05:33] <tomi> fsck still running... starting to get nervous <.<
[05:34] <Whiz2> I'm trying to mount a drive to a directory on a different drive, and for some reason, it keeps mounting to /media/hdb1 instead of /media/hdc1/download am i doing something wrong?
[05:35] <Dr_willis> Whiz2,  i would guess so., :)
[05:35] <Whiz2> i edited my fstab, then rebooted, but it still mounts there
[05:35] <mrksbrd> jhutchins:i attempted to remount it exactly how the article stated & still nothing
[05:35] <Dr_willis> you mount hdc1 first, then you mount the other drive to /media/hcd1/whatever
[05:36] <Dr_willis> im guessing somthing  fundamental is the issue. perhaps the order of the mounts in fstab. ?
[05:36] <Whiz2> Dr_willis: does that mean in fstab,hdc1 should higher in the list?
[05:36] <Dr_willis> I would guess so,
[05:36] <jhutchins> Can't think of the factoid for the Mobile Intel 945GM Express Chipset - anybody?
[05:36] <Whiz2> i didn't realize the list order in fstab wasimportant
[05:36] <Dr_willis> well SOMTHING has to get mounted first..
[05:36] <mrksbrd> drive is /dev/sda1, so i configured it as that
[05:36] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: mount -a just mounts un-mounted drives.
[05:36] <Whiz2> lol
[05:36] <Whiz2> true ty i will try that...
[05:37] <jhutchins> Whiz2: pastebin the fstab.
[05:37] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: so sudo mounte /dev/sda1 -o remount
[05:37] <jhutchins> er, mount.
[05:37] <mrksbrd> oh ok
[05:38] <jhutchins> Still looking for a good keyboard.
[05:38] <Tomi-idle> jhutchins: thx for the shutdown attributes :)
[05:38] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: then sudo mount will tell you where it's mounted, and ls -l /where/it's/mounted will show you the permissions.
[05:39] <jhutchins> Tomi-idle: <grin> trying to mention them often enough that i will remember them next time I need them.
[05:39] <jhutchins> Tomi-idle: -F is "force disk check".
[05:39] <Whiz2> Dr_willis: another question... i have a webserver on the linux computer with a root of hdc1... if i mount that drive,then mount the other one as a directory of that drive, is it possible that I could use a URL thatpoints to something in that drive, and have it still work?
[05:40] <dero_> Hello and Goodbye
[05:40] <mrksbrd> let me try it....brb
[05:40] <Tomi-idle> jhutchins: yeah? didn't work for me. just got to plain root ;) but i did fsck manually
[05:40] <Whiz2> for example... http://serveraddy.net/download/filename (download would be the directory mounted to the other drive
[05:40] <Whiz2> )
[05:41] <mrksbrd> mount: can't find /dev/sda in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[05:41] <mrksbrd> nevermind
[05:41] <Tomi-idle> it's sda(?)
[05:42] <Dr_willis> Whiz2,  should. but ive rarely messed with  webservers in that way
[05:46] <mrksbrd> jhutchins:i'm going to past u my fstab file, can u look it over for me, & tell me what i'm doing wrong............pls
[05:47] <jhutchins> I'll try.
[05:47] <Dr_willis>  /dev/sda  is wrong for a start
[05:47] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:47] <Dr_willis> unless you are mounting a cdrom.
[05:48] <Biovore> well /dev/sda could also a sata drive though..
[05:48] <mrksbrd> sda1 is for my usb HDD
[05:48] <Biovore> ^ or a usb drive :-)
[05:48] <mrksbrd> brb potty break
[05:49] <Dr_willis> sda is the driv.. but sda1 would be the Partition ON the drive. :)
[05:49] <Viperr> Hey people
[05:50] <Viperr> Can any of you guys give me any help on installing ATi radeon 1650 drivers, I cant get my desktop effects working on Ubuntu >.<
[05:51] <Dr_willis> Viperr,  install that restricted-manager tool and let it install the drivers - is what i normally do
[05:51] <Dr_willis> or read the !ati factoids and see what it suggests
[05:51] <Dr_willis> !ati
[05:51] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:52] <Viperr> Thanks guys :)
[05:52] <Whiz2> the server seems to be working correctly now.thank you
[05:57] <Whiz2> err.... maybe not...
[05:58] <firecrotch> Does anyone know of a program that can view Visio projects in Linux? Or am I going to be stuck trying to get Visio working in Wine?
[05:58] <genii> kvisio
[05:59] <Strogol> join #ubuntu-br
[05:59] <firecrotch> genii: are you sure that's the name of it?  apt can't find it
[06:00] <genii> lemme look again
[06:00] <genii> afk
[06:00] <Strogol> dfgh
[06:01] <firecrotch> genii:  found it, it's kivio
[06:01] <Strogol> join #ubuntu-br
[06:03] <firecrotch> Oh, it looks like kivio can't handle Visio projects
[06:04] <genii> Ah, damn
[06:04] <intelikey> hmmm how can two 128m mem sticks add up to     MemTotal:       223924 kB   ????
[06:05] <Tomi-idle> intelikey: one possibility is that your graphics card uses shared 32mb ram
[06:06] <intelikey> Tomi-idle being on-board that may be it...
[06:06] <intelikey> Tomi-idle it seems that it would/should still show in the total though
[06:07] <firecrotch> intelikey:  Mine doesn't show in the total
[06:07] <Tomi-idle> if the computers gives the 32mb ram for gfx card to use, it wont show up in the total
[06:07] <Tomi-idle> neither does on my laptop
[06:08] <intelikey> so i should see if there is a way in bios to reduce that waste.
[06:08] <Berzerker> how would I go about installing kickoff?
[06:08] <Tomi-idle> Berzerker: there might be a package for kubuntu in http://www.kde-apps.org
[06:09] <intelikey> !info kickoff
[06:09] <ubotu> Package kickoff does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[06:09] <intelikey> nothing supported.
[06:09] <mrksbrd> ok i'm back
[06:09] <Berzerker> also
[06:09] <intelikey> i think i'll the bios for a way to reduce the shared mem
[06:09] <intelikey> back in a few.
[06:09] <mrksbrd> jhutchins:did the past apply to the channel?
[06:09] <Berzerker> how would I go about rearranging groups in kopete?
[06:13] <mrksbrd> dr_willis: u still there?
[06:14] <intelikey> ok turned share down from 32 to 8     wont go any lower.
[06:14] <intelikey> MemTotal:       248308 kB
[06:14] <Tomi-idle> if you're not gonna used 3d apps that's gonna be enough :)
[06:15] <intelikey> 3D on   0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]  630/730 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter (rev 31)
[06:15] <intelikey> ?
[06:16] <Tomi-idle> ?
[06:16] <intelikey> i'm saying i don't think that does  3D      am i wrong ?
[06:17] <Tomi-idle> if it has 32mb ram then i think it does 3d too
[06:18] <dd> Hi
[06:19] <intelikey> it has 64m of shared ram if i turn it up that high   but that wont make the   Driver  "sis"   support dri and 3d
[06:20] <Whiz2> ok... here's my situation... I'm trying to mount /dev/hdb1 to /media/hdc1/download I've edited my fstab so it should be working, but whenever I open "System" and check the properties of the drive, it still says it is mounted to /media/hdb1 and any files that are put into /media/hdc1/download do not appear there. what am i doing wrong?
[06:20] <dd> i'm using kubuntu 7.04 and i would like to know if i can change de mode of xorg.conf to 32 bits by default i'm using 24
[06:21] <intelikey> Whiz2   grep hdb1 /etc/fstab
[06:22] <Tomi-idle> dd: there's no need to change 24bit colors since it's the same thing
[06:22] <intelikey> dd i believe you will find "if you care to look into it" that 24 == 32   or should i say that 32 is actually only 24 bit
[06:23] <notv> what would cause the settings to suddenly change from high contrast to light grey
[06:23] <intelikey> Whiz2 are you going to show us the fstab line ?
 <Tomi-idle> ok i understand
[06:24] <notv> its as if totem and gaim briefly uncorporated my theme but then decided they didnt like it
[06:24] <dd> thanks
[06:24] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: No, you have to paste the uRL here.
[06:24] <jhutchins> I gotta crash anyway, sorry.
[06:24] <mrksbrd> k
[06:25] <dd> someone know how i can configure my motorla sm56 modem on linux
[06:25] <Whiz2> uhh yeah I can do that hang on I'll use pastebin to  give the entire fstab...
[06:25] <mrksbrd> dd, is it a aircard modem or reg 56k???????
[06:25] <intelikey> Whiz2 heh i only want one line.
[06:26] <Whiz2> ok gimme a sec, cuz i have to grab it from the other computer...
[06:26] <intelikey> oh   not networked ?
[06:27] <ari> hi. i just installed kubuntu 6.10 and upgraded to 7.04 and i think my computer is a little fucked up now. i'm desperately trying to install the required codecs to play goddamn mp3 songs but when amarok automatically asks me to download the stuff i need, it crashes and i get an error number whatever different each time. i've tried to install the codecs manually like i had to do with edgy but it doesn't seem very effective. i searched the packages i
[06:27] <ari> may need, i installed them but it still won't work and now i really don't know what to do. could someone help me please?
[06:28] <intelikey> hmmm someone called ari just triggered an autoignore
[06:28] <Whiz2> it's networked, but i can't access the fstab file straight from here... I never share my root drive :-p
[06:28] <ari> intelikey: i'm sorry?
[06:29] <Tomi-idle> [07:29]  <ari> intelikey: i'm sorry?
[06:30] <Tomi-idle> coffeeee :o~
[06:30] <genii> underdog5004: You alive over there? ;)
[06:30] <Vaelen> ari: If you go into Adept and search for 'mp3', see if 'Xine extra plugins' is checked under 'Multimedia'.
[06:31] <ari> Vaelen: i installed the libxine-extracodecs thing.
[06:31] <Vaelen> Ok, cool.  What sort of error are you getting?
[06:32] <genii> intelikey: Yup :) It the spoon don't stand up by itself it isn't worth drinkin :)
[06:32] <genii> It=If
[06:32] <Whiz2> here are both lines for both drives from my fstab
[06:32] <ari> as it may not seem, i searched a little trough the "fucking manual" but i didn't found what i needed so that's why i'm here asking questions and wasting your precious time.
[06:32] <mrksbrd> genii, are u any good @ mounting usb HDD's??
[06:32] <Whiz2> they are... /dev/hdc1 /media/hdc1 auto defaults,utf8,umask=000,uid=0,gid=46,auto,rw,user 0 1
[06:33] <genii> mrksbrd: It should be the same as for one which is internal. Of course what options you may need could vary depending on the filesystem on it or so on
[06:33] <Whiz2> currently the drive is not mounted at all
[06:33] <intelikey> Whiz2 ok and hdc1 is either ntfs or vfat      what the next line.
[06:33] <Whiz2> next line is commented out
[06:34] <mrksbrd> can't get it to work..........followed these directions  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions#head-58b0f4b165129f43a80bba6c1c4227c490efa119
[06:34] <intelikey> Whiz2 thought we were working on  hdb1  ?
[06:34] <Whiz2> hang on i'll just put the whole fstab into a pastebin
[06:34] <genii> mrksbrd: OK I'll look at that.AFK
[06:35] <intelikey> Whiz2 yeah do that.
[06:35] <mrksbrd> whiz, u talking to me?
[06:35] <Whiz2> intelikey: look at /dev/hdb1 in the paste i just gave ya here
[06:35] <genii> mrksbrd: You are running KDE or gnome?
[06:35] <Whiz2> that is the line you're looking at for the new drive
[06:35] <mrksbrd> kde
[06:35] <mrksbrd> over ubuntu
[06:35] <Whiz2> mrksbrd: nope talking to intelikey
[06:35] <intelikey> whiz there is no hdb in what you posted.
[06:35] <mrksbrd> k
[06:36] <Whiz2> grrr ok i'll use pastebin
[06:36] <mrksbrd> sounds like he is having same prob as I am
[06:36] <cassano> hello i need wireless help i have a  Broadcom Corporation BCM4303 802.11b Wireless and it requires a button to turn on and it currently wont work
[06:36] <genii> mrksbrd: Those instructions are Gnome-specific. Also they omit some sudo before, for instance mkdir /media/windows
[06:36] <intelikey> mrksbrd could be.   i haven't been able to get much out of him yet...
[06:37] <genii> mrksbrd: What fs is on the drive, ntfs or fat or what?
[06:37] <mrksbrd> hmmmmm
[06:37] <Whiz2> http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/34847/
[06:37] <mrksbrd> tried f32, and ntfs
[06:37] <cassano> does anybody know what i should do?
[06:37] <genii> mrksbrd: Yes, but what filesystem was the drive formatted with?
[06:38] <genii> mrksbrd: Was it formatted at all yet?
[06:38] <mrksbrd> cassano, u might have to hit the func but combo to turn it on
[06:38] <Whiz2> intelikey: the drive will not automount at all
[06:38] <cassano> what is the func button?
[06:38] <mrksbrd> originally windows xp, then formatted it under linux
[06:38] <Whiz2> i have to manually mount it (by double clicking on the unmounted drive)
[06:38] <intelikey> Whiz2 ok you do know that you have to mount hdc1 first then there has to be i dir in the root of hdc1 named downloads and then you mount hdb1 on it  ???
[06:39] <mrksbrd> mine would be fn----F5
[06:39] <intelikey> Whiz2 looks like you may have  a race situation
[06:39] <Whiz2> eh?
[06:39] <Vaelen> cassano: Are you using this on a laptop?
[06:39] <Whiz2> if you will notice, hdc1 is mounted first
[06:40] <intelikey> you are mounting hdb1 on  "/media/hdc1/download"   perhaps that's a typo ?
[06:40] <Whiz2> and there is a download directory on the drive
[06:40] <genii> mrksbrd: When you formatted it under linux did you use a command like mkfs.vfat or a command more like mke2fs  or how ?
[06:40] <Whiz2> not a typo.the directory name is download
[06:40] <ari> Vaelen: in adept, the "xine etra plugins" is all gray and i can't (un)check it.
[06:40] <intelikey> Whiz2 it's a race   you need to not automaticly mount hdb1  but rather add a mount command in the /etc/rc.local for it.
[06:40] <mrksbrd> genii, b4 i formatted it under linux hangthedj instructed me on how to do it and it worked when i forced it to mount, but when I formatted it under linux can't even get the dialog box to pop up
[06:41] <Vaelen> ari: strange.... give me a sec to check something.
[06:41] <ari> thant you
[06:41] <ari> *thank
[06:41] <Whiz2> well nowI'm getting an issue where it's refusing to mount at all
[06:41] <mrksbrd> genii, used gparted
[06:41] <Whiz2> so I'm going to check it's format, and make it the same as hdc1
[06:42] <genii> mrksbrd: gparted is for the partitioning part of preparing a disk. Formatting the disk would be the next step after that, with some filesystem like ext2 or ntfs or vfat or so on.
[06:42] <intelikey> whiz2   /dev/hdb1 /media/hdc1/download auto defaults,utf8,umask=000,uid=0,gid=46,rw,user,noauto 0 0
[06:43] <intelikey> Whiz2 try that line   ^  in the fstab   and add    mount /media/hdc1/download      in the /etc/rc.local
[06:43] <mrksbrd> genii, it did ask me which file system i wanted to use, just asumed that was the format command
[06:43] <intelikey> that will keep it from being a race and still make it automatic mount at boot .
[06:44] <Whiz2> intelikey: hang on i just reformatted it to the correct filesystem... fonna see if that fixes it
[06:44] <genii> mrksbrd: Do you remember what you put when it asked what file system?
[06:44] <Berzerker> quesiton 1: what's the best IM client for linux
[06:44] <mrksbrd> right now it is fat32
[06:44] <intelikey> mrksbrd  vfat
[06:44] <mrksbrd> it did give me a option for ext3 as well
[06:44] <genii> mrksbrd: OK good, that is what I was trying to discover.
[06:45] <genii> mrksbrd: Do you know how to use pastebin website?
[06:45] <Okapi> hello to all
[06:45] <intelikey> Okapi
[06:45] <notv> why is it that my irc client goes along with my theme but other programs wont?
[06:46] <mrksbrd> sorta
[06:46] <intelikey> cause your irc client is better than other apps notv   ???
[06:46] <cassano> mrksbrd fn+f5 is the sleep button so my wireless didnt work
[06:46] <Berzerker> what is the best IM client for linux?
[06:46] <notv> but it worked for a few minutes, then switched to default or something
[06:46] <intelikey> Berzerker the one that you like.
[06:46] <Vaelen> ari: do you have aptitude installed?
[06:46] <Okapi> Is it any way you can see all applications you installed in your pc? I am usieng FEIST and want to see a list of all application are installed in my system.
[06:46] <notv> it worked right when i started my computer
[06:47] <Berzerker> intelikey: what's the one you like?
[06:47] <mrksbrd> cassano, depends on the brand computer what u need to push
[06:47] <intelikey> Berzerker i don't  im  so none of them
[06:47] <Berzerker> lol
[06:47] <ari> Vaelen: don't think so.
[06:47] <intelikey> !im
[06:47] <ubotu> Instant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.
[06:47] <cassano> well its a compaq presario R3000
[06:47] <Flamzart> hello is there a way to chance the start menu wutton to the win button on the keyboard and what is the button kubuntu uses for it
[06:47] <cassano> with windows i just push the wirless button on the side
[06:48] <arun> anyone here used both kubuntu and ubuntu?
[06:48] <Vaelen> ari: try installing that first, it might be able to give us some better info on what's wrong with that package. (why it's greyed out, I mean): sudo apt-get install aptitude
[06:48] <genii> mrksbrd: The idea is that you hightlight text in a text editor or in a console/terminal on your computer, select to copy it, then go to the pastebin website, paste the text you copied into the webpage, submit it, then record the internet address it reports in the URL bar of your browser back here so we can go examine it.
[06:48] <mrksbrd> u want the fstab file?
[06:48] <ari> oh konsole returns me this: "
[06:48] <ari> E: Impossible de verrouiller /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Ressource temporairement non disponible)
[06:48] <ari> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:49] <cassano> 5 hate not being able to get my wireless working
[06:49] <Vaelen> ari: You need to close Adept first.
[06:49] <cassano> if there is anybody willing to help i will do all that i can
[06:49] <ari> oops...
[06:49] <Vaelen> Adept is holding a lock on the software database. :)
[06:49] <genii> mrksbrd: What I want is the following:   contents of fstab file. result of the command blkid. result of the command fdisk -l  result of the command mount
[06:50] <underdog5004> genii, you around?
[06:50] <intelikey> file "/usr/local/bin/pastebin"
[06:50] <ari> someday i'm going to know what i'm doing with my computer...
[06:50] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39145
[06:50] <mrksbrd> fstab file........ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34849/
[06:50] <intelikey> script if anyone needs it.
[06:50] <ari> it tells me aptitude is installed and up to date
[06:51] <Vaelen> ari: Ok, sweet, then run: sudo aptitude
[06:51] <Whiz2> does linux mount the drives in the order they appear in the fstab?
[06:51] <mrksbrd> fdisk....... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34850/
[06:52] <Vaelen> ari: When it comes up, type a '/' to start searching, and then type the name of the xine extras package.
[06:52] <Vaelen> ari: when you find it, press enter and you'll get a screen with lots of information about the package.
[06:52] <intelikey> Whiz2 i told you you have created a race situation,   you probably wont get that to work.
[06:52] <ari> wich should be libxine-extracodecs ?
[06:53] <Vaelen> Right
[06:53] <intelikey> Whiz2  you could try putting hdc1 at the top and hdb1 at the bottom  but you are still liable to find it racing
[06:53] <mrksbrd> blkid........ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34851/
[06:53] <genii> mrksbrd: OK. You have in fstab the drive sda AND drive hda as well. What version of ubuntu are you using (6.06 6.10 7.04 or what) also do you have SCSI drives if using versions 6.06 or 6.10. If not 6.06 or 6.10 but 7.04 the usb drive should be likely sdb instead of hda
[06:53] <mrksbrd> 7.04
[06:54] <mrksbrd> no scsi
[06:54] <arun> has anyone here used both kubuntu and ubuntu? do kde apps run well on ubuntu?
[06:54] <mrksbrd> just internal & usb
[06:54] <arun> does gnome look better
[06:54] <intelikey> genii usb will be using scsi addressing
[06:54] <Whiz2> intelikey: i'm making the changes now
[06:54] <ari> what is it supposed to show me?
[06:54] <intelikey> arun yes yes
[06:54] <mrksbrd> arun, just install kde environment.......... sudo apt-get install kde
[06:54] <Vaelen> arun: yeah, kubuntu and ubuntu are the same base system.  For example, you can install kubuntu on an ubuntu system by installing the 'kubuntu-desktop' package.
[06:55] <genii> intelikey: Yes, but in 6.06/6.10 hda is IDE sda is scsi/sata
[06:55] <genii> scsi/sata/usb even
[06:55] <arun> i'm on kubuntu right now, just curious about ubuntu
[06:55] <andresj> arun, I installed ubuntu, and then kubuntu-desktop. apps run well, but the file assocications get messed up (instead of opening File Manager of GNOME, it opens Ark of KDE)
[06:55] <mrksbrd> arun, then u can boot to GNOME environment or KDE @ signin
[06:55] <arun> andresj: thanks for the warning
[06:55] <Berzerker> is there a way to dock an application to the side of the screen?
[06:55] <Vaelen> ari: I'll send you a screenshot.
[06:55] <intelikey> genii sda is scsi/sata/usb/(ide only on 6.10)   on all systems.
[06:56] <Okapi> Is it any way you can see all applications you installed in your pc? I am usieng FEIST and want to see a list of all application are installed in my system.
[06:56] <jhutchins> andresj: It's calling KDE apps when you're running gnome?
[06:56] <andresj> yes
[06:56] <intelikey> genii just didn't want you to over look an usb something....   i thought he mentioned usb at the onset.
[06:57] <intelikey> genii i wasn't trying to interfear.  just mentioning.
[06:57] <mrksbrd> andresj, .........som something sounds messed up, I have ubuntu as base, w/KDe environment and have no issues
[06:57] <genii> mrksbrd: Make sure usb drive is powered on. Then use pastebin website to report results of command: sudo fdisk -l
[06:57] <arun> do kde apps look bad in gnome, just like gnome apps dont quite fit in in kde?
[06:57] <genii> intelikey: On my 7.04 and 7.10 even all the ide are sdX
[06:57] <jhutchins> andresj: Whatever's responsible for that is certainly bad stuff.  They're supposed to be able to coexist.
[06:57] <mrksbrd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34850/
[06:58] <andresj> mrksbrd, but do you have gnome installed?
[06:58] <ari> damn :'( i went too fast and pressed the wrong button.
[06:58] <ari> i'm such a pain i'm sorry
[06:58] <intelikey> genii err ummm umh     i thought that they stopped using scsi emulation for ide in 7.4
[06:58] <andresj> jhutchins, they coexist, but apparently they use the same system for file assocications
[06:58] <mrksbrd> andresj, ubuntu is GNOME based
[06:58] <andresj> so they get overriden
[06:58] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: what's that the output of?
[06:59] <Vaelen> ari: No problem.  You pressed a wrong button in aptitude?
[06:59] <andresj> mrksbrd, yes, but you can uninstall gnome and install kde
[06:59] <Vaelen> ari: or with the screenshot?
[06:59] <arun> do kde apps 'fit in' well with gnome
[06:59] <Berzerker> anyone?
[06:59] <Vaelen> Berzerker: It depnds on the app.
[06:59] <ari> i pressed the wrong button while trying to accept your screenshot
[06:59] <mrksbrd> jhutchins, genii is trying to help me get the dagum usb to work
[06:59] <Berzerker> pidgin
[06:59] <arun> Berzerker: what do you mean by dock an application to the side of the screen
[06:59] <Vaelen> ari: one sec.
[06:59] <genii> mrksbrd: Change in your fstab file from hda1 to sdc1
[07:00] <Berzerker> make it so it takes up that area of the screen
[07:00] <Berzerker> nothing can be put behind it
[07:00] <andresj> arun, from my point of view kde apps look a little better on gnome; compared with gnome apps in kde
[07:00] <mrksbrd> genii, done
[07:00] <andresj> but they still don't fit well
[07:00] <ari> ok. i accepted it.
[07:00] <arun> Berzerker: there is an option to keep above others
[07:01] <arun> oh sorry
[07:01] <arun> that's not what you meant
[07:01] <arun> never mind
[07:01] <Berzerker> and that when things maximize, it will not be maximized past where the application is
[07:01] <genii> mrksbrd: Now try: sudo mount -a
[07:01] <mrksbrd> andresj, why would u uninstall GNOME?????????? why not just install Kububtu if u don't want it
[07:01] <arun> Berzerker: try the dock application bar?
[07:01] <Vaelen> ari: take a look at that.  If your display has anything in red, or mentions anything about something being broken, let me know.
[07:02] <andresj> mrksbrd, just pointing out it is possible, and that's the reason I asked you that... anyways, so when you run gnome, gnome apps open for files; and when you run kde, kde apps open?
[07:02] <Vaelen> ari: I probably have a newer version of you, don't let that throw you off. (I'm running the development version of kubuntu)
[07:02] <mrksbrd> right
[07:02] <Vaelen> Berzerker: The dock application bar gives you a place to put dock apps, but those apps have to be written to support it.
[07:02] <Berzerker> ?
[07:02] <mrksbrd> if your under KDE the progs for GNOME will not have an icon next to it
[07:02] <Berzerker> what's that?
[07:02] <intelikey> Berzerker sounds like a challange.   kicker might handle that,  i'm not sure.      add pannel and put only the dock on that.   kdocker  maybe       idk.
[07:02] <ari> well, there is no red thing in my aptitude thingy.
[07:03] <cassano> the damn Ubuntu forums wont load for me
[07:03] <ari> all black, grey and a little blue...
[07:03] <arun> Berzerker: right click on your panel, and select add new panel > dock application bar
[07:03] <andresj> mrksbrd, wierd... maybe I dind't install it right... I just did apt-get install kubuntu-desktop (well actually I did it via synaptic)
[07:03] <Berzerker> and how do I add things to it
[07:03] <mrksbrd> genii, ran it & still didn't place it on the desktop
[07:03] <mrksbrd> synaptic sux in my opinion
[07:03] <mrksbrd> manual all the way fo rme
[07:04] <arun> can i run stuff like konversation, kontact, etc in ubuntu? will my settings from kubuntu be retained?
[07:04] <mrksbrd> but as u i am still learning commands
[07:04] <genii> mrksbrd: You may also want to change iocharset=utf8,umask=000    to iocharset=utf8,umask=000,user,auto  in that same line that now has sdc1 instead of hda1
[07:04] <andresj> arun, what do you mean by settings from kubuntu being retained
[07:04] <andresj> ?
[07:04] <mrksbrd> andresj, i had 2 install it several x's before it was right, also try the alt cd version, not live cd
[07:05] <genii> mrksbrd: Save that change then redo: sudo mount -a
[07:05] <mrksbrd> k
[07:05] <andresj> mrksbrd, oh... well it doesn't matter right now... because I reinstalled the OS, so I overwrote everything... and just installed Kubuntu
[07:05] <arun> i mean, if i'm running both kubuntu and ubuntu, if i log into ubuntu and open konversation.. will stuff like fonts, colours, etc be retained
[07:05] <Vaelen> ari: Hmm, well the install doesn't seem to be broken then.
[07:06] <intelikey> arun if you install more than one *buntu-desktop  you may experance some settings filtering into the wrong DE   but if you install only one  *buntu-desktop and then add  kde gnome xfce  or what ever DE you like  you shouldn't have any problems    i never have anyway  and some others have expressed the same feeling on the matter
[07:06] <andresj> arun, I think it should... (not sure cause I haven't tried it for a while) but it should
[07:06] <Berzerker> how do I add things to the dock?
[07:06] <mrksbrd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34852/
[07:06] <Vaelen> Berzerker: You need 'WindowMaker' dock apps to use that panel.
[07:07] <Vaelen> Berzerker: Not just any app will run there, it has to be written for it.  Let me find you an example.
[07:07] <intelikey> mrksbrd did you pastebin    blkid   eariler ?
[07:07] <cassano> does this link work for anybody http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683
[07:07] <Whiz2> intelikey: can /etc/rc.local be used to run a command during startup as a specific user? (aka not as root)
[07:08] <Vaelen> Berzerker: http://dockapps.org/
[07:08] <Vaelen> I don't think that's what you want though.
[07:08] <arun> intelikey: so if i'm on kubuntu now, if i want to try gnome what should i do? i want to be able to select the DE when i log in
[07:08] <genii> mrksbrd: Then the drive is not vfat even though it's partition type says it is
[07:08] <Berzerker> oh...
[07:08] <Berzerker> 8-bit apps
[07:08] <intelikey> Whiz2 sure.   sudo -u name command    i think it is.
[07:08] <mrksbrd> hmmmmmm
[07:08] <intelikey> arun install   gnome
[07:08] <Vaelen> dockapps are basically apps that run in a 64x64 pixel window.
[07:09] <Whiz2> intelikey: if that is the case, rc.localdoes not execute on startup
[07:09] <ari> Vaelen: here is a screenshot of my aptitude thing: http://img530.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aptituderd6.jpg
[07:09] <Whiz2> how do i change it's execution bit?
[07:09] <genii> mrksbrd: OK. let us then format it that way then.
[07:09] <intelikey> Whiz2  you did put your command before the   "exit 0 "    didn't you ?
[07:09] <Whiz2> yes
[07:09] <Vaelen> ari: Ok, type '/libxine-extracodecs'
[07:09] <andresj> cassano, it doesn't work for me...
[07:09] <ari> it is in french but i suppose that the packages' names are the same...
[07:09] <Whiz2> this is an unrelatedcommandthat never runs
[07:10] <genii> mrksbrd:    sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc1
[07:10] <Vaelen> ari: You should see the libxine-extracodecs package in the list then.  When it is highlighted you should be able to press enter.
[07:10] <andresj> cassano, no wait, it does
[07:10] <arun> intelikey: if i install gnome then how do i configure it so that i can select the DE when i log in? or does that happen automatically
[07:10] <genii> mrksbrd: When that is finished, do again:   sudo mount -a
[07:10] <Whiz2> intelikey: would it ask for the password when it runs likethat?
[07:10] <ari> apt-utils is highlighted.
[07:11] <Whiz2> i don't want my system to stop on boot requiring the password
[07:11] <intelikey> arun you don't configure it.   it will be in the list when you login  select the de you want and login
[07:11] <intelikey> Whiz2 no
[07:11] <Vaelen> ari: ok, try this.
[07:11] <arun> intelikey: and i can have separate settings for gnome and kde? as in, stuff like wallpapers, default apps, etc?
[07:11] <intelikey> yep
[07:12] <cassano> andresj i wish it would work for me its supposed to be a tutorial for how to get my wireless working
[07:12] <Vaelen> Click on 'Search' and then 'Find' (clicking should work even though it's a console app)
[07:12] <mrksbrd> brb...letme try
[07:12] <Vaelen> And type the package name in there.
[07:12] <andresj> cassano, it's very slow... try it again
[07:12] <mrksbrd> nope still getting that same error as the last paste!!!!
[07:12] <intelikey> arun and you can logout and log right back into another DE   just like the rest of us....
[07:12] <Whiz2> rebooting the server now... let's see if this works (on both counts)
[07:13] <arun> intelikey: nice.. you use two DEs as well?
[07:13] <intelikey> arun three
[07:13] <intelikey> well four actually but i hardly ever login xfce
[07:13] <cassano> i will on my other pc
[07:13] <trekdanne> four?
[07:13] <intelikey> yeah
[07:13] <mrksbrd> this is paste after format........ http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34853/
[07:14] <trekdanne> gnome + kde + xfce + ?
[07:14] <andresj> cassano, if it doesn't work I have pasted the contents here: http://rafb.net/p/A6rcPX23.html
[07:14] <intelikey> trekdanne i had 7 DE's installed at one time
[07:15] <ari> doesn't work. libxine-extracodecs is a ghost package. it is a legend brought by the Old Developpers. lots of faithful linuxians tried to find it but they all failed in their quest.
[07:15] <Vaelen> haha
[07:15] <mrksbrd> genii, did u get the last 2 pastes???????
[07:15] <intelikey> kde twm xfce gnome fluxbox blackbox and icewm
[07:15] <ari> i guess i'm getting i little tired to tell such dumb things...
[07:16] <genii> mrksbrd: Yes. When you ran:   sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc1     what did it do if anything?
[07:16] <trekdanne> nice, not sure you can call twm a "desktop enviroment" tho ;)
[07:16] <Vaelen> The package says it's a transitional package.  I wonder if there is a newer version of it...
[07:16] <cassano> andrej thank you
[07:16] <intelikey> well icewm either...  but for the present convo...
[07:16] <trekdanne> ah yea ofc
[07:16] <mrksbrd> light flashed on the drive then gave this msg...... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34853/
[07:17] <Vaelen> ari: hit 'q' to quit out of that and open Adept back up.
[07:17] <Whiz2> intelikey: it's looking like rc.local did not execute
[07:17] <intelikey> Whiz2 what version if ubuntu ?
[07:17] <trekdanne> i uesd window maker before I got a new machine capable of running KDE... :P
[07:17] <trekdanne> *used
[07:17] <Vaelen> And click on 'Edit software sources'
[07:17] <Whiz2> dapper
[07:17] <arun> intelikey: thanks for all your help
[07:18] <arun> so i'll just go ahead and install gnome from adept?
[07:18] <intelikey> Whiz2  in a konsole issue      runlevel
[07:18] <Whiz2> intelikey: it's an old computer....
[07:18] <intelikey> arun yep   welcome.
[07:18] <genii> mrksbrd: Thats all? 2 lines? It should have much more than that, capacity of drive it's formatting , some progress then back to a prompt
[07:18] <arun> thanks again
[07:18] <trekdanne> any idea why ktorrent keep crashing on me?
[07:18] <Whiz2> intelikey: the reply to runlevel was N 2
[07:19] <Vaelen> ari: and make sure that all the options there are checked. (specifically 'multiverse', which is where the package is located)
[07:19] <mrksbrd> nope that was it........no progress meter or anything
[07:19] <trekdanne> i mean, what's the reason for a app like ktorrent to crash, memory leaks?
[07:19] <mrksbrd> took like 1 sec
[07:19] <intelikey> Whiz2 ok    ls /etc/rc2.d     and pastebin it
[07:19] <underdog5004> trekdanne, try running ktorrent from a terminal and see if there are any errors.
[07:19] <intelikey> err
[07:19] <intelikey> Whiz2 ok    ls -l /etc/rc2.d     and pastebin it
[07:19] <genii> mrksbrd: Did you put   sudo    before the mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc1   part?
[07:20] <mrksbrd> copy'd it directly from what u posted
[07:20] <genii> mrksbrd: OK. How large is the drive?
[07:20] <intelikey> that's dangerous
[07:20] <mrksbrd> 40gb
[07:20] <Okapi> Is it any way you can see all aplications you installed in your pc? I am using FEIST and want to see a list of all aplications are installed in my system.
[07:20] <Whiz2> intelikey: i have to do a workaround... i'll open it in kate, then save it elsewhere & then pastebin it... that computer's browser doesn't work properly
[07:20] <mrksbrd> should i use gparted again, but don't select a file system
[07:20] <mrksbrd> ???
[07:21] <intelikey> Whiz2 ok
[07:21] <genii> mrksbrd: OK. No reason it should not work then. Is it currently mounted? To make sure do:  sudo umount /media/windows
[07:21] <genii> mrksbrd: Then try again:   sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc1
[07:21] <intelikey> Okapi you can list all packages    dpkg -l      you could do a   find / -type f | grep bin/    and get all except the ones in "odd" locations
[07:22] <genii> mrksbrd: Also make sure you do not have a console/terminal which is cd into /media/windows directory
[07:22] <mrksbrd> tells me "not mounted
[07:22] <Okapi> intelikey: Thank you
[07:22] <ari> Vaelen: in my sources.list everything is uncommented.
[07:23] <intelikey> sudo umount /media/*
[07:23] <intelikey> Okapi welcome
[07:24] <mrksbrd> something is weird here
[07:24] <soulrider_> damn, is ubuntuforums dead?
[07:24] <intelikey> Okapi there are a few things in kde that the executable would be in really stupid places like   /usr/share/lib/kde/something....
[07:24] <Whiz2> intelikey: all i get from that command is "/etc/rc2.d is a directory"
[07:24] <Vaelen> ari: Was it already like that?
[07:24] <genii> mrksbrd: Do then the:   sudo mkfs.vfat -vv /dev/sdc1              and give it a minute or two to show some indication of progress or so.
[07:24] <soulrider> hello intelikey
[07:24] <Okapi> intelikey: ok, let try your suggestions
[07:25] <intelikey> Whiz2   ls -l /etc/rc2.d         just incase i typoed
[07:25] <soulrider> intelikey, when you get some free time, could you check out a program i made?
[07:25] <Whiz2> intelikey: is that an L or a pipe?
[07:25] <ari> no. i uncommented it this afternoon.
[07:25] <intelikey> Okapi also you might want to append    2>/dev/null    to the  find command   so it doesn't flood you with error messages
[07:25] <Vaelen> ari: And did you do an 'apt-get update' after that?
[07:26] <mrksbrd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34854/
[07:26] <intelikey> Whiz2 lowercase L
[07:26] <mrksbrd> is this what it was supposed to show????
[07:26] <Whiz2> then i was the one that typoed :-p
[07:26] <intelikey> :)
[07:26] <genii> mrksbrd: reading
[07:26] <soulrider> intelikey, if you ever have some time: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=531709 i made some minor fixes though
[07:26] <Vaelen> ari: Also, do they all have the same version on them? (feisty, for example) or do some say one thing and some say another?
[07:27] <intelikey> Whiz2 you are talking to the typo king here.   don't be surprised
[07:27] <Vaelen> ari: When you updated to 7.04, the updated wouldn't have updated sources that were commented out.
[07:27] <intelikey> soulrider i have plenty of time.    looking now.
[07:27] <soulrider> intelikey, thank you
[07:27] <genii> mrksbrd: Pretty much yes. And the drive light lit up for while and the command returned after a while to the $ ?
[07:28] <mrksbrd> i'm curious why it recognized my 4gb thumb drive w/o having to go thru all this???
[07:28] <mrksbrd> yes
[07:28] <soulrider> intelikey, i would happily take any suggestions at code level, if you know python that is
[07:28] <ari> some are still edgy.
[07:28] <ari> do i change it for feisty?
[07:28] <Vaelen> Yes, please do.  Then do 'sudo apt-get update'
[07:29] <intelikey> sorry  i can't hiss soulrider i only sh
[07:29] <genii> mrksbrd: There can be any number of reason, top one is usually a very cheap external enclosure for usb with obscure controller
[07:29] <soulrider> intelikey, uhm ?
[07:29] <Whiz2> aha! ssh tunneling is the bomb!
[07:29] <Whiz2> intelikey: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/34855/
[07:29] <intelikey> hiss like snake   python     a little livity   :)))
[07:30] <soulrider> i get it... bad joke :P
[07:30] <ari> do i change this one too: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-356-pre-feisty-upgrade/ edgy main ?
[07:30] <Vaelen> No, I would comment that one out.  It is probably out of date now that feisty is out.
[07:30] <intelikey> Whiz2 ok unless someone has edited  /etc/init.d/rc.local  then  /etc/rc.local  is being ran at boot time.
[07:31] <intelikey> Whiz2 show me the line in /etc/rc.local
[07:31] <Whiz2> intelikey: lemme check the drivethen
[07:31] <ari> ok
[07:32] <genii> mrksbrd: OK, make sure that the changes to fstab took. when you changed the file did you use kdesu kate /etc/fstab    or something like that to make sure you could save the changes?
[07:32] <intelikey> Whiz2 heh good idea we could be dippering the wrong end of this baby...
[07:32] <mrksbrd> in gparted its telling me it is fat32
[07:32] <Vaelen> ari: Once you're done with apt-get update, do a 'sudo apt-get upgrade' to upgrade any out of date packages.
[07:32] <Vaelen> Make sure that Adept is closed before you run any apt-get commands.
[07:33] <genii> mrksbrd: I didn't ask you about gparted
[07:33] <mrksbrd> gksudo command
[07:33] <mrksbrd> genii, was just passing on the info....sorry
[07:33] <Whiz2> intelikey: the drive is still mounted to /media/hdb1 and the line i put in /etc/rc.local is the exact line you gave me... the other line is sudo -u username vncserver -geometry 1024x768
[07:34] <genii> mrksbrd: the command sudo fdisk -l   will tell you what partition type it sees and so on, no need to rerun gparted for thet. :)
[07:34] <ari> adept is closed but i get "E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?"
[07:34] <mrksbrd> here was the command  gksudo gedit /etc/fstab
[07:34] <mrksbrd> oh ok
[07:34] <Vaelen> Is aptitude still open somewhere?
[07:34] <genii> mrksbrd: Please remember that when you are in KDE to use kdesu kate /filename    and when in gnome to use gksudo gedit /filename
[07:35] <ari> not supposed to.
[07:35] <genii> mrksbrd: Something which works in either is to in a console/terminal    sudo nano /filename
[07:35] <mrksbrd> ahhhhhhh...didn't know that
[07:35] <Vaelen> Hmm
[07:35] <mrksbrd> ok
[07:35] <intelikey> Whiz2 the exact line i gave you wont possably work cause there is not a user named  name  on you boxen
[07:36] <Vaelen> Try the update again.
[07:36] <Whiz2> errr..... lemme check
[07:36] <genii> mrksbrd: But the hda1 was changed to sdc1 as well, auto and user were added to the option list?
[07:36] <intelikey> Whiz2 neither is there a command called command
[07:36] <Whiz2> wrong line
[07:36] <Whiz2> intelikey: I'm talking about themount command
[07:36] <Whiz2> intelikey: the other command is made correctly using the format you gave for it
[07:37] <ari> gives me the same line
[07:37] <cassano> im following the instructions on http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683 will having BCMWL5.sys be fine instead of BCMWL5.inf?
[07:37] <intelikey> Whiz2 well lets see it anyway,  just to make sure i didn't shoot us in the foot
[07:37] <Whiz2> ok lemme grab it...
[07:38] <Whiz2> intelikey: the mount line is... mount /media/hdc1/download
[07:38] <Vaelen> Hmm, something must be using apt.
[07:38] <Whiz2> intelikey: the other line is sudo -u jason vncserver -geometry 1024x768
[07:38] <ari> i have kopete, amarok, ktorrent and firefox running...
[07:38] <intelikey> yeah ok.    and you changed the line in fstab also    correct ?
[07:38] <ari> and konversation
[07:38] <mrksbrd> genii, do u need me to re-paste the fstab file?
[07:38] <Whiz2> yup
[07:38] <genii> mrksbrd: Sure
[07:38] <Whiz2> copied n pasted that
[07:38] <intelikey> lets see it too
[07:39] <Vaelen> ari: Try running this from a prompt: sudo ps -ef | grep apt
[07:39] <Whiz2> one moment...
[07:39] <Vaelen> Something might be running in the background
[07:39] <Whiz2> intelikey: it is /dev/hdb1 /media/hdc1/download auto defaults,utf8,umask=000,uid=0,gid=46,rw,user,noauto 0 0
[07:40] <genii> AFK
[07:40] <mrksbrd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34856/
[07:40] <intelikey> Whiz2 ok.    and the fs is vfat or ntfs ?
[07:40] <ari> ari      12206     1  0 Aug23 ?        00:00:04 kopete -caption Kopete -icon kopete -miniicon kopete
[07:40] <ari> ari      12219     1  2 Aug23 ?        00:03:16 ktorrent -icon ktorrent -miniicon ktorrent -caption KTorrent
[07:40] <ari> ari      12943     1  0 00:23 ?        00:00:31 konversation -caption Konversation -icon konversation -miniicon konversation
[07:40] <ari> root     13149     1  0 00:52 ?        00:00:09 aptitude
[07:40] <Whiz2> intelikey: fat32 (vfat)
[07:40] <Whiz2> exactly the same as the other drive
[07:40] <Vaelen> ari: there it is.
[07:40] <intelikey> Whiz2 just to be sure:      grep hdb1 /proc/partitions
[07:41] <Vaelen> ari: sudo kill 13149
[07:41] <genii> mrksbrd: You need to put after the user,auto part, back in two zeros like in the entries above. Separate them with a tab.
[07:41] <Whiz2> intelikey: i know the format is the same, because I checked hdc1 in qtparted, and completely reformatted hdb1 with the same format
[07:42] <ari> done :)
[07:42] <intelikey> k
[07:42] <Vaelen> ari: sudo apt-get update
[07:42] <intelikey> let me review now.
[07:42] <mrksbrd> ok
[07:42] <mrksbrd> done
[07:42] <Whiz2> ok
[07:42] <genii> mrksbrd: After it's saved try once more:   sudo mount -a
[07:42] <mrksbrd> when i did that it dropped part of the command down to the next line is that ok??
[07:43] <genii> mrksbrd: NO
[07:43] <mrksbrd> k
[07:43] <mrksbrd> lemme fix it
[07:43] <Whiz2> intelikey: would it help to know that in the beginning of /etc/rc.local it says that by default the file does absolutely nothing?
[07:43] <Whiz2> lol
[07:43] <genii> mrksbrd: OK
[07:43] <Whiz2> says to change that, i need to change the execution bit
[07:43] <intelikey> Whiz2 that's because the only command in it by default is     exit 0
[07:44] <intelikey> Whiz2 is it not executable ?   ls -l /etc/rc.local
[07:45] <genii> mrksbrd: Regardless if this round of tactics is successful I need to leave for sleep after, it is 1:45AM and I wake for work at 7AM
[07:45] <mrksbrd> k
[07:45] <Whiz2> intelikey: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 376 2007-08-24 01:01 /etc/rc.local
[07:45] <intelikey> Whiz2 looked like this   didn't it  http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39146
[07:46] <mrksbrd> here is the last msg.  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34857/
[07:46] <intelikey> Whiz2 yeah that's executable.
[07:46] <genii> mrksbrd: Well, this is progress at least :)
[07:47] <Whiz2> intelikey: that's exactly what it looked like, except that it had one other command just above "exit 0"
[07:47] <Whiz2> and that was the vncserver command
[07:47] <intelikey> Whiz2 yeah it runs at boot time.   i'm on dapper too
[07:47] <mrksbrd> my head is about to explode...i'll let u get to bed though.........thanks for all the help
[07:47] <genii> mrksbrd: I see another typo in your fstab. the word iocharset has no letter i in your entry
[07:47] <Whiz2> then why is it not working?
[07:47] <ari> Vaelen: it stops at 99%
[07:47] <genii> mrksbrd: Please fix this and try again
[07:48] <mrksbrd> same msg
[07:48] <Vaelen> Does it go back to a prompt, or is it just waiting?
[07:48] <Whiz2> intelikey: is there maybe another thingi need to edit? maybe someone edited something that disabled it?
[07:48] <intelikey> Whiz2 try this in it.     umount /dev/hdb1 ;mount /media/hdc1/download        in place of the now present mount line
[07:48] <Whiz2> ok
[07:49] <ari> it is just waiting.
[07:49] <mrksbrd> should i replace the vfat to auto???
[07:49] <Vaelen> Ok, that's fine then.  There is probably a lot to process.
[07:49] <Vaelen> Give it a few minutes.
[07:49] <genii> mrksbrd: put only for options then user,auto   and remove the other two options. save and retry:  sudo mount -a
[07:50] <Vaelen> I'll be right back.
[07:50] <soulrider> intelikey, if you know anyone that might be interested in testing my program please let them know, i could use as much feedback as possible
[07:51] <intelikey> :)  if that doesn't do it i just thought of a delightful hack.    Whiz2 sudo umount /media/hdb1 ;sudo rmdir /media/hdb1 && ln -s /media/hdc1/download /media/hdb1 || echo failed
[07:51] <intelikey> soulrider k will do
[07:51] <mrksbrd> ok that did something, no error msg this time, but drive still not on desktop
[07:51] <soulrider> intelikey, thanks
[07:52] <mrksbrd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34858/
[07:52] <mrksbrd> that is the last fstab w/corrections
[07:52] <genii> mrksbrd: if command:  mmount     reports that sdc1   is mounted that is progress
[07:52] <intelikey> genii !
[07:52] <intelikey> :)
[07:52] <genii> mount rather
[07:53] <Whiz2> intelikey: save and rebooting now...
[07:53] <mrksbrd> have to d/l the tools....give me a sec
[07:53] <Whiz2> intelikey: if the file were executing at boot time, wouldn't the other command work?
[07:54] <cassano> can anybody tell me what is wrong with this command
[07:54] <cassano> ndiswrapper -m
[07:54] <cassano> for conffile in /etc/ndiswrapper/bcmwl5/*.conf; do
[07:54] <cassano> sudo cat $conffile | sed -e 's/RadioState|1/RadioState|0/' > $conffile
[07:54] <cassano> done
[07:54] <intelikey> Whiz2 it is possable that kde is mounting it before rc.local is ran   that's why i mentioned the hack  which will/should solve all possable situations of such.
[07:54] <mrksbrd> Usage: mmount -V drive:
[07:54] <intelikey> Whiz2 doesn't it ?
[07:54] <genii> mrksbrd: That is just a repot of fstab. Does the command: mount       in a terminal/console report sdc1 as a drive which is mounted?
[07:54] <Whiz2> intelikey: no i still have to run vncserver manually from ssh tunnel
[07:55] <genii> repot=repost
[07:55] <Whiz2> intelikey: I'mdoing every bit of this remotely
[07:55] <intelikey> Whiz2 if you really doubt it's execution at boot time   put a line     touch /testing   in it   then if the blank file testing appears it's working if not then no.
[07:55] <Whiz2> using ssh tunneling, and vncserver
[07:55] <mrksbrd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34859/
[07:55] <Vaelen> ari: Ok, I'm back
[07:55] <mrksbrd> lol....sorry genii
[07:55] <Whiz2> intelikey: is this supposed to run when the user's desktop loads??????
[07:56] <genii> mrksbrd: Good, it is formatted and mounts correctly now
[07:56] <ari> and i'm still wainting for this update.
[07:56] <intelikey> Whiz2 it's supposed to run when the computer startes whether you login in or not
[07:56] <Whiz2> intelikey: then how would a test file open?;-)
[07:56] <ari> but adept appeared to tell me i have 44 packages that need updating...
[07:56] <intelikey> open ?
[07:57] <Whiz2> appear
[07:57] <intelikey> touch /testing    will creat  /testing
[07:57] <Whiz2> oh ok
[07:57] <intelikey> man touch
[07:57] <mrksbrd> genii,if this is going to take alot more time, i'll be nice & let u get to bed
[07:58] <genii> mrksbrd: Now do in console:    umount /media/windows    then after that:   sudo eject /dev/sdc1            then turn off the usb drive. Let it power doen. then power it back on.
[07:58] <Vaelen> Looks like it's working then.
[07:59] <intelikey> wheres stdin today ?
[07:59] <genii> mrksbrd: Let me know if you get a popup after you power it back on afterwards
[07:59] <tarntow> i m always having the sound suddenly disappearing...apart from restarting...is there something else that can be done to rectify the problem...it does happen a lot....thank you
[07:59] <mrksbrd> no popup
[08:00] <Whiz2> intelikey: this time the drive wasn'tmounted at all
[08:00] <Vaelen> ari: is it still at 99%?
[08:00] <genii> mrksbrd: OK.does command:     mount           show sdc1 again or not?
[08:00] <intelikey> Whiz2 i suspect that  /download   doesn't appear in the fs on /dev/hdc1
[08:00] <ari> yep.
[08:01] <Vaelen> Ok, kill it with Ctrl+C and run it again
[08:01] <mrksbrd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/34860/
[08:01] <mrksbrd> didn't see it
[08:01] <intelikey> Whiz2 case sensitive
[08:01] <Whiz2> i will double check
[08:02] <mrksbrd> showing sdb1
[08:02] <genii> mrksbrd: OK.
[08:02] <Whiz2> intelikey: /media/hdc1/download exists
[08:03] <ari> and then sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[08:03] <genii> mrksbrd: OK. Something is weird but UI need to sleep :( If you are here tomorrow we can carry on. Or maybe another can assist
[08:03] <Vaelen> Yup
[08:03] <genii> UI=I
[08:03] <mrksbrd> ok that is fine....thanks a bunch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:04] <genii> mrksbrd: Good night :)
[08:04] <intelikey> Whiz2 issue the command there    mount /media/hdc1/download
[08:04] <mrksbrd> goodnight
[08:04] <genii> night all, intelikey stdin et al
[08:04] <intelikey> genii
[08:05] <intelikey> Whiz2 ???
[08:06] <Vaelen> ari: When apt-get upgrade lists the packages that will be updated, look for libxine-extracodecs in there.
[08:06] <Whiz2> intelikey: maybe I'm lookingin the wrong place... what is the command to see what is mounted where?
[08:07] <intelikey> Whiz2   mount
[08:07] <ari> amarok amarok-xine gnupg gpgv kaffeine kaffeine-xine kate kcontrol
[08:07] <ari>   kdebase-bin kdebase-data kdebase-kio-plugins kdepasswd kdeprint kdesktop kdm
[08:07] <ari>   kexi kfind khelpcenter kicker klipper kmenuedit koffice-data koffice-libs
[08:07] <ari>   konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole krita krita-data ksmserver ksplash
[08:07] <ari>   ksysguard ksysguardd ktorrent kwin lftp libhal-storage1 libhal1 libkonq4
[08:07] <ari>   libqt4-core libqt4-gui libqt4-qt3support libqt4-sql
[08:07] <intelikey> df
[08:07] <NickPresta> !pastebin | ari
[08:07] <ubotu> ari: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:07] <intelikey> cat /proc/mounts
[08:07] <intelikey> less /etc/mtab
[08:07] <intelikey> :)
[08:07] <Vaelen> ari: Go ahead an update those and hopefully that will do it for you.
[08:07] <Whiz2> interesting...
[08:08] <intelikey> Whiz2 ???
[08:08] <Whiz2> that says it's mounted where it should be after imounted myself..
[08:08] <Whiz2> yes?
[08:08] <intelikey> you ran   mount /medi...    and now it's mountd ?\
[08:08] <Whiz2> yeah...
[08:08] <Whiz2> hang on a sec
[08:09] <Vaelen> ari: It looks like it'll update xine, which might be why the extracodecs package doesn't work.  After it finishes updating, do a 'sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs' to make sure that it got installed ok.
[08:10] <intelikey> Whiz2 what i wanted to know was if issuing the    mount /media/hdc1/download      command gave any output ?
[08:10] <Whiz2> nope
[08:10] <Whiz2> just mounted it
[08:11] <intelikey> then it looks like you may need to test your rc.local   it may not be running at boot
[08:11] <Whiz2> I've added touch /test to the rc.local file, and changed the command back to just the regular mount command
[08:11] <Whiz2> saved, and rebooting now...
[08:11] <ari> tells me that "libxine1-ffmpeg" is the new one i should install
[08:11] <Vaelen> Ok, cool.
[08:12] <Vaelen> Then install that instead. :)
[08:12] <intelikey> ok   and did / does the  "/testing"  file exist ?    that will be the question.
[08:12] <ari> ok.
[08:12] <Whiz2> i will know soon as it boots up,and I login from here
[08:12] <ari> is it supposed to work now ?
[08:13] <intelikey> yes i stand under you.
[08:13] <Vaelen> Everything got updated and installed?
[08:13] <ari> yes
[08:13] <Whiz2> lol
[08:13] <ari> AAAAAAH IT WORKS !!!
[08:13] <Vaelen> Sweet. :)
[08:13] <intelikey> is not what means "understand"  ?
[08:13] <Whiz2> lol
[08:13] <Whiz2> yes i knew what you meant :-p
[08:13] <ari> thought i'd never play mp3s again !!!
[08:13] <Whiz2> lol ari
[08:14] <ari> wow thank you so muck Vaelen
[08:14] <Whiz2> that's one thing I don't use linux for
[08:14] <Vaelen> So the problem was that the multiverse source was commented out when you did the upgrade, so the upgrader didn't know to point it to feisty.
[08:14] <Vaelen> No problem, ari. :) Glad to get it working! Amarok is an awesome program.
[08:15] <ari> i'm so glad. it works !!! i thought i fucked something during the installation and i feared that i would have to start over...
[08:16] <Whiz2> intelikey: accounding to mount, hdb1 is mounted correctly as /media/hdc1/download i'm looking to see if /test appeared
[08:16] <Whiz2> according*
[08:17] <intelikey> i'm going to say yes   /testing exists.
[08:17] <Whiz2> nope!
[08:17] <Vaelen> The upgrade to 7.10 should be smoother for you now that all the apt sources are active for you.
[08:17] <Whiz2> it'snotthere
[08:17] <Whiz2> it's not there
[08:17] <intelikey> snoth there ?
[08:18] <intelikey> messed that up didn't is
[08:18] <Vaelen> (once it is finalized, that is)
[08:18] <Whiz2> lol
[08:18] <intelikey> snot there ?
[08:18] <Whiz2> snoth... kinda like a sloth only with an n instead of an l hehe
[08:19] <ari> i think i'm going to go sleep now if i want to look alive tomorrow when i'll go work ^^
[08:19] <Whiz2> intelikey: /test does not exist
[08:19] <intelikey> ls /
[08:19] <Vaelen> haha, me too
[08:19] <Vaelen> :)
[08:19] <Vaelen> 'night
[08:19] <Whiz2> i did that, and it wasn't in the ls
[08:19] <ari> thank you so much, good night
[08:19] <intelikey> Whiz2 ls /      you sure ?
[08:20] <Whiz2> hang on i'll paste here...
[08:20] <intelikey> don't flood
[08:20] <Whiz2> i'll pastebin
[08:20] <intelikey> shouldn't be but two lines..    just being cautious
[08:21] <Whiz2> jason@home:~$ ls /
[08:21] <Whiz2> bin   etc     initrd.img      lost+found  opt   sbin  tmp  vmlinuz
[08:21] <Whiz2> boot  home    initrd.img.old  media       proc  srv   usr  vmlinuz.old
[08:21] <Whiz2> dev   initrd  lib             mnt         root  sys   var
[08:21] <intelikey> you right.     snot there.
[08:21] <Whiz2> lol
[08:22] <Whiz2> which means...?
[08:22] <intelikey> Whiz2 want me to see what's wrong with  /etc/init.d/rc.local     ?    or abort
[08:22] <Whiz2> how do I get that file to output it's contents in a konsole?
[08:22] <Whiz2> I'mtired of all the working around to get it
[08:23] <intelikey> you'll have to pastebin   cat /etc/init.d/rc.local       and the output of   ls -l /etc/init.d/rc.local
[08:23] <Whiz2> ok
[08:23] <intelikey> i'm pretty sure this one is still default...   so i'll have something to compare to.
[08:25] <intelikey> yeah i can tell i haven't edited this one by this string.           if [ -x /etc/rc.local ] ; then        <<<< that's not my syntax.
[08:25] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[08:26] <contrast83> Has anyone here had any success compiling Fusion from GIT on Gutsy?
[08:26] <intelikey> maybe ask in the gutsy chan ?    /join #kubuntu+1
[08:26] <intelikey> or /join #ubuntu+1
[08:28] <contrast83> intelikey: Thanks
[08:29] <Whiz2> intelikey: pastebin is not cooperating
[08:29] <Whiz2> i can'tget the page up
[08:29] <Whiz2> to paste into in the first place
[08:30] <intelikey> Whiz2 lets go in reverse.   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39147   and chmod it to 755
[08:30] <Whiz2> hang on...
[08:30] <intelikey> i know it works correctly
[08:30] <Whiz2> what's the current URL for pastebin?
[08:30] <Whiz2> i think i have an old one that's not working correctly
[08:30] <intelikey> i like the http://ubuntu.pastebin.us
[08:31] <intelikey> but it's not the one listed in the topic
[08:31] <intelikey> !paste
[08:31] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:32] <Khrajin> How big is a full install of Kubuntu fiesty?
[08:32] <Whiz2> that is the URL that fails right now
[08:32] <Whiz2> in the one you gave me, what syntax highlighting do i select from the menu?
[08:32] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39148 that one is working
[08:33] <Whiz2> "text only" ain't therelol
[08:33] <intelikey> yes text is fine
[08:33] <intelikey> or shell script
[08:34] <intelikey> i don't care what highlighting.
[08:34] <Whiz2> here is the output you requested... http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39149
[08:34] <intelikey> pick your take
[08:34] <Whiz2> and i have no idea what you have me looking at with that last URL you gave
[08:35] <Whiz2> err...nm i know what it is
[08:35] <intelikey> now bull.    unless something is hanging before it's finished booting     that will run and run correctly.
[08:36] <Whiz2> someone else was messing with my scripts before in an attempt to fix something...  I wouldn't be surprised if they screwed it up
[08:36] <intelikey> i'd look for a hung init script
[08:36] <intelikey> ps -A x | grep sh
[08:37] <intelikey> among the output should be the culpret
[08:37] <intelikey> or pstree
[08:38] <Whiz2> want it here? it's only a fewlines
[08:38] <intelikey> not more than two
[08:38] <Whiz2> should fit in one message ;-)
[08:38] <Whiz2>    87 ?        00:00:00 pdflush