[12:17] <nixternal> LaserJock: thanks for asking for help in the Edubuntu meeting :)
[12:17] <LaserJock> np
[12:19] <mpt_> h4writer, you are Hannes?
[12:24] <nixternal> hey, we also need to look at implementing the Microsoft trademark rules and possibly the Mac trademark rules into our licensing stuff (&legalnotice;)
[12:24] <nixternal> according to MS's website we are breaking the law by not labeling MS with the proper trademarks
[12:24] <nixternal> and instead of <tradmark>Microsoft</trademark> and so on, they explicitly state we can just include it in the licensing file
[12:27] <mpt_> nixternal, if you're not going to fix that yourself right now :-), I suggest reporting a bug
[12:28] <h4writer> mpt_, yep I'm Hannes
[12:28] <mpt_> h4writer, welcome!
[12:28] <nixternal> mpt_: I am afraid to report that as a bug :)
[12:28] <h4writer> thanks
[12:29] <mpt_> It's great to have more people helping with the help
[12:29] <nixternal> it is great to have people with helping with help to help others :)
[12:30] <nixternal> my buddy is a copyright and trademark infringement attorney and I asked him about it, he said either fix it now or just wait for Microsoft to send us a "fix it or else" letter
[12:30] <nixternal> heh, like everything else I do, I will wait for the letter
[12:31] <mgalvin> hi everyone
[12:31] <mgalvin> hey, anyone know whats been going on with the UWN
[12:31] <nixternal> howdy Mr. Galvin
[12:31] <mgalvin> hey nixternal
[12:31] <nixternal> mgalvin: that is the Marketing team there, what is happening I really don't know
[12:31] <nixternal> I heard that Cody has been in the hospital
[12:32] <mgalvin> yea, its been quite over there, though someone here might know
[12:32] <nixternal> heh, I see you already mailed the list
[12:32] <mgalvin> oh, that sucks, hope he is ok
[12:32] <mgalvin> yea
[12:32] <nixternal> I don't know if it was major or not, I think Cory knows better though
[01:01] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3884 kubuntu/index.xml: updating doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu index
[01:05] <LaserJock> nixternal: so do you have an edubuntu-docs package that you're comfortable with?
[01:05] <nixternal> close, all but the the gnome-menus-C.ent issue
[01:06] <nixternal> <!ENTITY % gnome-menus-C SYSTEM "../../../ubuntu/libs/gnome-menus-C.ent">
[01:06] <nixternal> that won't work with Edubuntu if we place them in gnome/help/edubuntu
[01:07] <nixternal> the easy package fix is 1) create gnome/help/ubuntu/libs/gnome-menus-C.ent or 2) change the package documents to point to ../../../ubuntu-docs/ligs/gnome-menus-C.ent
[01:08] <nixternal> s/ligs/libs/
[01:09] <nixternal> LaserJock: are you using Ubuntu Feisty right now?
[01:09] <nixternal> if so, double check ../../../ubuntu/libs just to make sure I am 100% correct
[01:11] <nixternal> ls: /usr/share/gnome/help/ubuntu: No such file or directory
[01:11] <nixternal> so the current edubuntu package will break if using gnome-menus-C.ent
[01:16] <nixternal> alright, back to class
[02:02] <Admiral_Chicago> ls: /usr/share/gnome/help/ubuntu: No such file or director
[02:11] <LaserJock> nixternal: still around?
[02:14] <bdmurray> I was checking out the ubuntu-serverguide package and noticed the contributors page link is broekn / didn't get converted cleanly
[02:15] <LaserJock> ohh
[02:15] <LaserJock> bdmurray: did you file a bug?
[02:16] <bdmurray> LaserJock: I probably should.  I was trying to take a break from bug work though. ;)
[02:17] <LaserJock> if you could just file it it'd be great
[02:17] <LaserJock> I think I'll be on a big doc package fixing mission tonight
[02:20] <bdmurray> LaserJock: done
[02:21] <bdmurray> Will there be an ubuntu-serverguide package in Malone for bug reports?
[02:21] <LaserJock> it should be there already
[02:22] <LaserJock> I guess you should file bug reports on that for packaging issues and stuff like that
[02:22] <bdmurray> It doesn't seem to be there
[02:23] <LaserJock> oh right
[02:24] <LaserJock> ubuntu-serverguide is just a .deb build from ubuntu-docs source package
[02:24] <LaserJock> LP uses the source package not the .deb
[02:25] <LaserJock> bbl
[02:26] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: brian * r3885 common/preface.pot: Spacing issues
[02:28] <bdmurray> that's neat
[02:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88814 in ubuntu-doc "Server Guide link to contributor's page is broken" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88814
[05:27] <nixternal> LaserJock: I am back
[05:28] <LaserJock> sweet
[05:28] <nixternal> is it?
[05:28] <nixternal> ;p
[05:28] <LaserJock> I was just building whatever you had
[05:28] <nixternal> well just so you know, the gnome-menus-C isn't going to work with what I had
[05:29] <LaserJock> right, but everything else?
[05:29] <nixternal> everything else will be fine
[05:29] <LaserJock> hmm, it's still building
[05:30] <nixternal> hey, can you create a symlink for gnome/help/ubuntu-docs/libs/gnome-menus-C.ent to gnome/help/ubuntu/libs/gnome-menus-C.ent?
[05:30] <LaserJock> I was actually thinking of installing it into an ubuntu/
[05:31] <LaserJock> there is no ubuntu/ currently
[05:32] <LaserJock> ah, you are calling the deb rule
[05:32] <LaserJock> deb: clean style about rn esa hb
[05:32] <LaserJock> that rule should be empty
[05:33] <nixternal> hrmm, I did empty it
[05:33] <nixternal> check the svn
[05:33] <nixternal> # deb: used for creating package for Edubuntu documentation
[05:33] <nixternal> deb:
[05:33] <LaserJock> I'm just looking at your package
[05:33] <LaserJock> k, cool
[05:33] <nixternal> maybe I didn't put a more recent one up there where I nixed that portion
[05:34] <LaserJock> now lets see about this ent issue
[05:34] <nixternal> heck, that entire part can be removed from debian/rules as well
[05:34] <nixternal> we don't even need the Makefile for the package
[05:34] <LaserJock> well, we might want to make minimal changes in case we want to do soemthing elese ;-)
[05:34] <LaserJock> well, make is called
[05:34] <nixternal> right
[05:34] <LaserJock> so it's nice to have a fake rule
[05:35] <nixternal> ok
[05:36] <LaserJock> ok, now the ubuntu docs find the ent where?
[05:36] <nixternal> hrmm, good question
[05:37] <nixternal> ../../libs
[05:37] <LaserJock>  /usr/share/gnome/ubuntu I think
[05:37] <nixternal> no such dir
[05:37] <LaserJock> oh /usr/share/gnome/help/libs/
[05:37] <nixternal> that is one place
[05:37] <nixternal> but those are the general libs, not the gnome-menu-C side
[05:37] <nixternal> gnome-menu-C is in svn as trunk/ubuntu/libs
[05:39] <LaserJock> ok, well here's one thing we could do
[05:40] <LaserJock> we could put it in edubuntu/libs/
[05:40] <LaserJock> and change the xml files
[05:43] <LaserJock> hmm
[05:43] <nixternal> I thought about that as well
[05:44] <LaserJock> you know
[05:44] <LaserJock> we really might want our own copy anyway
[05:44] <LaserJock> becuase of all the Edu apps
[05:45] <LaserJock> what do you think?
[05:46] <nixternal> +1
[05:46] <nixternal> haha, makes it a hell of a lot easier
[05:46] <nixternal> I am on it batman
[05:53] <nixternal> OK, rebuilding right now
[05:55] <nixternal> man, dreamhost is the garbage tonight
[05:58] <nixternal> how long does it take to rm -rf blah/ which is empty?
[05:59] <LaserJock> umm, not very long
[06:00] <nixternal> heh, so one would think. My Dreamhost server is a tank tonight
[06:00] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/docs/edubuntu/feisty
[06:02] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3886 edubuntu/ (8 files in 2 dirs): cp gnome-menus-C.ent into edubuntu/libs in order to bypass a packaging issue, fixed handbook xml headers to match correct libs directory
[06:10] <LaserJock> nixternal: hmm, that's looking good
[06:16] <LaserJock> hmm, but I get a lot of errors when I install it and load yelp
[06:18] <nixternal> really, what errors?
[06:20] <LaserJock> /usr/share/gnome/help/edubuntu/handbook/C/bookinfo.xml:72: parser error : Entity 'educopy' not defined
[06:20] <LaserJock> &educopy;
[06:21] <LaserJock> ah heck
[06:21] <LaserJock> it's from common/ not being in /usr/share/gnome/help/
[06:21] <nixternal> argh
[06:21] <LaserJock> stupid ents
[06:22] <nixternal> ln -s?
[06:22] <nixternal> heh
[06:22] <nixternal> that is one great thing about KDE and Kubuntu, our docs go to the same place, we follow suit/standard
[06:23] <LaserJock> well, it really would be fine if we didn't install to edubuntu/
[06:23] <LaserJock> we *could* install to edubuntu-$$doc
[06:23] <nixternal> haha, so that means...reverting the last changes, which is nothing major
[06:23] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:24] <LaserJock> but we are breaking everything right now
[06:24] <nixternal> wow, so you would have edubuntu-about-edubuntu, edubuntu-releasenotes, edubuntu-handbook, edubuntu-SchoolAdvocacy
[06:24] <LaserJock> not about edubuntu
[06:24] <LaserJock> but the others
[06:24] <LaserJock> I'm really only concerend about release notes and handbook
[06:24] <LaserJock> they have such generic names
[06:24] <nixternal> ya
[06:25] <nixternal> cp edubuntu/$$doc/C/*.xml debian/edubuntu-docs/usr/share/gnome/help/edubuntu/$$doc/C/
[06:26] <nixternal> just replace the edubuntu/$$doc with edubuntu-$$doc
[06:26] <nixternal> that is easy enough, and revert my changes
[06:26] <LaserJock> I'd rather not do  ESA and About Edubuntu that way though
[06:26] <LaserJock> can we just split it into 2 cp lines
[06:26] <nixternal> well, I would break them out
[06:26] <nixternal> exactly
[06:27] <nixternal> let me do that really quick
[06:27] <LaserJock> I think that's the way to go
[06:28] <nixternal> actually, I don't have to revert my changes to the gnome-menus-C
[06:28] <nixternal> it is just changing that out
[06:37] <nixternal> argh
[06:37] <LaserJock> now what?
[06:39] <nixternal> typo :)
[06:40] <LaserJock> gotta "get'r done"
[06:40] <nixternal> haha
[06:40] <nixternal> she is done this time, getting ready to upload to the server again
[06:41] <nixternal> argh this server is stupid
[06:43] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/docs/edubuntu/feisty
[06:43] <nixternal> that should be the one LaserJock :)  I will brb, takin' the puppy out
[06:47] <LaserJock> are the omf files updated?
[06:47] <nixternal> fdjklafjdlasjfdsja
[06:48] <LaserJock> libs are still installed to /usr/share/gnome/help/edubuntu/
[06:51] <nixternal> ya
[06:52] <nixternal> hrmm
[06:52] <nixternal> that brings up a new can of worms
[06:53] <LaserJock> if they are installed to /usr/share/gnome/help/libs/ that should work, right?
[06:53] <nixternal> there is already gnome/help/libs/
[06:53] <LaserJock> don't install ones that are already installed by ubuntu-docs
[06:53] <LaserJock> but the edubuntu ones should be ok
[06:53] <nixternal> roger
[06:56] <nixternal> we can't
[06:56] <nixternal> differen't css files
[06:57] <nixternal> the silly ubuntu-docs dir is killing us. if it was just ubuntu, then it wouldn't be a problem
[06:57] <nixternal> rather, if the package was installed the way the svn was setup
[07:13] <LaserJock> wait a sec
[07:13] <LaserJock> the ubuntu package works
[07:14] <LaserJock> ours should be the same
[07:33] <LaserJock> nixternal: still alive?
[08:11] <LaserJock> nixternal: pingy pingy
[08:16] <mdke_> LaserJock: the server installation includes an html viewer
[08:16] <LaserJock> yeah, but there's not necessarily a link between the two
[08:16] <LaserJock> you know what I mean?
[08:17] <LaserJock> for the packaging guide I think I might add in a .desktop file or something
[08:17] <mdke_> bdmurray: pot files are generated automatically, it's probably a bad idea to edit them directly
[08:17] <LaserJock> for the server guide maybe a script that runs the html viewer with the right URL would help?
[08:17] <mdke_> LaserJock: a script that runs it when?
[08:19] <LaserJock> mdke_: just make like /usr/bin/serverguide
[08:20] <LaserJock> so you could just run serverguide and it'd load it up
[08:20] <mdke_> oh I see
[08:20] <mdke_> nice idea, did you discuss it with fabbione?
[08:21] <LaserJock> no, I poked him when he first came in but he said he needed to wake up and think about it ;-)
[08:21] <mdke_> ask him about that
[08:22] <mdke_> LaserJock: see mpt's patch? looks like he wants to move about-ubuntu into "new to ubuntu 7.04"
[08:22] <LaserJock> hmm, interesting
[08:23] <LaserJock> mdke_: nixternal and I are having a heck of a time with edubuntu-docs
[08:23] <mdke_> really?
[08:23] <LaserJock> the ents seem to not work out well when we install
[08:23] <mdke_> do they work with ubuntu-docs?
[08:24] <LaserJock> yeah, I think ubuntu-docs works out ok
[08:24] <mdke_> so just install the ents in the same place :)
[08:24] <LaserJock> but for some reason it seems like we either break svn or installed paths
[08:25] <mdke_> so /usr/share/gnome/common and /usr/share/gnome/ubuntu are symbolic links to /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/common|ubuntu
[08:25] <mdke_> did you try that?
[08:25] <mdke_> we should probably do the same with /usr/share/gnome/libs I guess
[08:26] <LaserJock> hmm, let me have a look
[08:50] <mdke_> morning mpt
[09:07] <Madpilot> mdke_, noticed the vandalism on wuc/Home?
[09:07] <mdke_> no, well spotted
[09:08] <Madpilot> someone else fixed the damage, I just haunt RecentChanges
[09:09] <Madpilot> actually, I've got wuc & huc/c's RecentChanges open in Opera, set to auto-refresh every 20min
[09:17] <mdke_> Madpilot: :)
[09:18] <Madpilot> the autorefresh means I don't have to subscribe to the whole of both wikis like some insane ppl do, but I can keep an eye on the whole thing while I'm surfing
[10:02] <mpt> hi mdke_
[10:17] <LaserJock> mdke_: do you know how to revert in svn?
[11:11] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mantha * r3887 edubuntu/ (9 files in 6 dirs):
[11:11] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: Finished edubuntu-docs package:
[11:11] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation:  * reverted 3886 and 3875
[11:11] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation:  * updated changelog and copyright
[11:11] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation:  * don't install to gnome/help/edubuntu
[11:11] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation:  * made handbook and releasenotes install path non-generic
[11:12] <LaserJock> badaboom!
[11:12] <LaserJock> nixternal: edubuntu-docs uploaded
[03:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #88964 in ubuntu-doc "Typo in the Packaging Guide" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88964
[08:09] <LaserJock> nixternal: you awake/around/available?
[08:50] <mdke_> LaserJock: svn revert (--recursive) filename
[08:50] <LaserJock> mdke_: yeah, it wasn't what I wanted
[08:50] <mdke_> oh, merge?
[08:50] <LaserJock> I wanted to "go back in time"
[08:50] <LaserJock> bad terminology
[08:51] <mdke_> yeah, merge
[08:51] <mdke_> get it sorted?
[08:51] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:51] <mdke_> cool
[08:51] <LaserJock> I actually manually did it since it wasn't much
[08:51] <LaserJock> the merge  command I found in the SVN manual didn't work for some reason
[08:51] <LaserJock> I think I might have been using it wrong, not sure
[08:51] <mdke_> ah, I've only ever used it on quite simple changes
[08:52] <LaserJock>  anyway, I got the edubuntu-docs package figure out, I hope
[08:52] <LaserJock> I uploaded it to Universe and got the MIR in the queue
[08:53] <mdke_> cool
[08:56] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3888 generic/packagingguide/C/bugs.xml: typo, bug 88964
[08:56] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 88964 in ubuntu-doc "Typo in the Packaging Guide" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/88964
[08:57] <LaserJock> oh thanks
[08:57] <LaserJock> I was going to get to that
[08:57] <mdke_> :)
[08:59] <LaserJock> did fabbione ever decide what to do about the serverguide?
[09:00] <nixternal> LaserJock: rock on!
[09:01] <LaserJock> nixternal: :-)
[09:01] <LaserJock> I uploaded it at 2:30 am
[09:01] <nixternal> so you got it working ey?
[09:01] <nixternal> ya, I seen that
[09:01] <LaserJock> not exactly on the same day
[09:01] <nixternal> I passed out on the couch
[09:01] <nixternal> hehe
[09:01] <LaserJock> but close enough
[09:01] <nixternal> good, so that means you will get all of the bug reports for it now :)
[09:02] <LaserJock> nope
[09:02] <nixternal> you packaged it :)
[09:02] <LaserJock> it's in your name dude ;-)
[09:02] <nixternal> no no no
[09:02] <nixternal> haha
[09:02] <LaserJock> I just tweaked it a tad
[09:02] <LaserJock> but you worked hard so I gave you the changelog entry
[09:02] <nixternal> lovely :)
[09:03] <LaserJock> hmm
[09:04] <nixternal> hehe, smb4k is so bad
[09:06] <mdke> LaserJock: no, he didn't reply to me
[09:07] <LaserJock> k
[10:00] <h4writer> hi
[10:01] <h4writer> I got a suggestion of mpt to make the navigation bar (back, forward, help topics) need to be icon only
[10:01] <h4writer> But should it be better to make it possible to change it in gconf-editor?
[10:01] <h4writer> and default ICON only?
[10:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #85724 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Absence of GUI Command-line Code Reference on Terminal Emulators" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/85724
[10:39] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3889 ubuntu/basic-commands/ (. C/ C/basic-commands.xml): importing from the wiki, with some tweaks and manual fixes, needs review
[10:45] <mdke> if you can do a patch just to make it icon only, we'd definitely consider it I think
[10:46] <h4writer> I just made it;-)
[10:46] <mdke> cool
[10:46] <mdke> got a screenshot?
[10:47] <h4writer> will make one
[10:47] <h4writer> it is on edgy, but that wont change the behaviour
[10:47] <h4writer> (with gconf-editor changer;-))
[10:49] <h4writer> http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/7946/screenshot2ue8.png
[10:50] <h4writer> I've submitted the change of source to lists, so you can apply it yourself. It isn't working by me:-(
[10:50] <mdke> how do you mean, it isn't working?
[10:50] <h4writer> (I mean I can't build the newest package)
[10:50] <h4writer> just thought I is dubious
[10:50] <h4writer> The program is running;-)
[10:50] <LaserJock> h4writer: where did you get the source from?
[10:51] <h4writer> Now it is from bzr
[10:51] <h4writer> but I can take it from apt-get source to
[10:51] <mdke> you'll need to ensure that the patch works for feisty yelp for us to be able to consider it, I think
[10:51] <h4writer> It won't change my code I've changed;-)
[10:51] <h4writer> I mean, it will definitly work on feisty
[10:51] <mdke> you should also try and produce a screenshot with that specific change only, rather than with your other customisations
[10:52] <mdke> then we can run it past the yelp maintainer
[10:52] <h4writer> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2007-March/008198.html
[10:52] <h4writer> that's what I have changed
[10:53] <h4writer> is it an option to give that to the yelp maintainer?
[10:54] <h4writer> that's the customisation of the toolbar only;-)
[10:54] <LaserJock> h4writer: you really need to get the Feisty yelp source going
[10:54] <LaserJock> h4writer: what release are you using?
[10:54] <mdke> yes, I think we can try that, but a patch on the feisty would be better
[10:54] <h4writer> can you give https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2007-March/008196.html tot?
[10:54] <h4writer> it is a patch for the arrows
[10:54] <h4writer> in the find bar
[10:55] <h4writer> and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2007-March/008195.html
[10:55] <mdke> I don't really understand what is wrong with the arrows
[10:55] <h4writer> will show my version
[10:57] <h4writer> just had a firefox crash
[10:57] <h4writer> so wait a minute
[10:58] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3890 ubuntu/ (libs/gnome-menus-C.ent office/C/office.xml): gnucash menu entry as per #71632
[11:02] <h4writer> http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/2305/screenshot3mt4.png
[11:03] <h4writer> @mdke, here you see
[11:03] <h4writer> I think it is logicaler
[11:09] <h4writer> I'm going to sleep
[11:09] <h4writer> so bye
[11:10] <mdke> it looks the same as in feisty already
[11:10] <mdke> (the arrows)
[11:11] <h4writer> okey
[11:11] <h4writer> np
[11:11] <h4writer> :p
[11:11] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3891 ubuntu/internet/C/internet.xml: bug 61714
[11:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61714 in ubuntu-docs "BitTorrent sidebar entry is too large " [Low,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/61714
[11:18] <mdke> gnight all


[05:24] <staxxx> hello everyone i'm having problem with ardour everytime i use it after a while it crashes with a message saying audio backend zombified. it forçes me to close ardour and doesnt let me save my work. any help please??
[05:39] <holstein> staxxx: i would just relax my jack settings
[05:40] <staxxx> how?
[05:40] <staxxx> what do you mean by relaxing the jack settings?
[05:41] <holstein> staxxx: in the setting for jack.. in qjackctl.. set the frames/period higher, and test.. try and set it up where the latency is higher.. like 40ms+
[05:42] <staxxx> i used to get it to work fine with 128
[05:43] <staxxx> this has been only happening recently
[05:43] <holstein> staxxx: ok.. well, *something* has changed..
[05:43] <holstein> staxxx: did you get a kernel update? if so, try the older kernel
[05:43] <holstein> me? id relax the jack settings and test..
[05:49] <staxxx> testing
[13:45] <jhonny> hola
[13:59] <studio-user879> ciao a tutti
[14:01] <studio-user879> list
[17:59] <leor> hi


[00:22] <bazhang> siglined
[23:21] <bazhang> android using ntfs on sdcard connection to ubuntu
[23:21] <bazhang> the things we do for emacs


[22:10] <soundray> svensko: the upgrade will install a new kernel, but it will not remove the current one. You will still be able to pick the old kernel from the grub menu.
[22:10] <GeffIsLegend> SholSinger, Anything?
[22:10] <sholsinger> GeffIsLegend: I'm not sure how this would be done.
[22:11] <svensko> soundray: will it be clear in the grub menu as far as switching between them?
[22:11] <sholsinger> GeffIsLegend: I'm researching a bit.
[22:11] <svensko> soundray: or should i find a certain command?
[22:11] <user_> dmi3on: sorry, what is "fron"?
[22:11] <soundray> svensko: I suggest you do the full upgrade, then try the new kernel and see if it really fails. If it does, reboot and select the old kernel
[22:11] <soundray> svensko: do a uname -r to see what you are running now.
[22:11] <eightyeight> i'm trying to install postgresql, but i get an error "unsafe permissions on private key file "server.key", which doesn't even exist. anyone know how to proceed? this is 8.04
[22:12] <dmi3on> user_,what do i type when i whant to kill server :1 ?
[22:12] <soundray> svensko: the latest one is 2.6.27-11-generic
[22:12] <GeffIsLegend> darn...i dont understand why its being so difficult...
[22:12] <svensko> soundray: -11 is known to break it, i did a full install earlier and it broke it, there's an entire thread about it affecting all of the atheros notebooks
[22:13] <soundray> svensko: you can set a default entry to boot in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[22:13] <GeffIsLegend> SholSinger, Do you know if i did the full install of ubuntu , Would it just give me the option to transfer what files i want to go into ubuntu?
[22:13] <svensko> i will do a full install then work with the grub menu though, thank you! :)
[22:13] <user_> dmi3on: ps axu | grep vncserver to find the process id. then "kill -9 $processid" (replace $processid with _your_ value)
[22:13] <soundray> svensko: works fine on my atheros notebook :)
[22:13] <dmi3on> user_, thx
[22:13] <pha3z> does anyone here use xchat?
[22:14] <soundray> svensko: ah, I'm not actually using -11, so you're probably right
[22:14] <quibbler> pha3z: most
[22:14] <fiftyone> Hello, anyone here have any experiance with HELLANZB on linux? or any ideas about good full package news readers NZB - PAr2 Unrar ect?
[22:14] <pha3z> quibbler:  is there some trick to be able to change the interface more?  the font leading is so tight that its hard to read.
[22:15] <pha3z> all i found was basic font settings... nothing tochange line-spacing or anything
[22:15] <m1lkc0w> good evening
[22:15] <quibbler> pha3z: have a look in the preferences
[22:16] <perillux> is there anything I can do about my laptop not playing flash videos very fast.  It shows with what I would describe as a low frame rate.  However, that's only for flash videos like youtube, if I play the video in vlc for example it runs great.
[22:16] <pha3z> quibbler: also when i change the background color, it doesn't have any effect.
[22:16] <deany> fiftyone,  lol , still using that
[22:16] <thomc> Hey guys. I accidentally reformatted a FAT32 partition in gparted as FAT32. I need to recover the data. Is there any way I can do this quickly without running something like GetDataBack?
[22:16] <pha3z> wtf.. now it works.... wow
[22:16] <svensko> soundray: which line am i modifying to change back to the -7 kernel?
[22:17] <fiftyone> deany haha man i cant seem to get one to work
[22:17] <svensko> i'm not used to this grub menu lay out
[22:17] <fiftyone> denay hellanzb seems to be the only one which can do all thoses, unfortunately
[22:17] <deany> well, gran ninan and i`ll guide you
[22:17] <fiftyone> i cant get it to work
[22:17] <fiftyone> :(
[22:17] <thomc> Is there a way, for example, to reverse the reformatting process... because I'm sure the data's still all there.
[22:17] <deany> do what.. exactly
[22:17] <adam_> is there anyway to scroll up and down in the bash shell without using the mousewheel? pgup/pgdn do not work
[22:18] <m1lkc0w> I need help with the partitioning of the disk. I usually use "guided" and then the entire disk as an encrypted LVM. However, I would like to have a separate /home within the encrypted LVM. So manual partitioning it is... Can someone please explain how to setup an encrypted LVM using the alternate installer?
[22:18] <quibbler> pha3z: i just changed mine to lime green....terrible
[22:18] <fiftyone> denay i did try PAN which seems to work nicely but  it messes up the files at least it did with a family guy eppisode
[22:18] <deany> pan is crap
[22:19] <quibbler> pha3z: just experiment
[22:19] <m1lkc0w> I've started with 400MB for /boot and the rest as an lvm. How do I go from here?
[22:20] <Guest9149> hi, can i install ubuntu from an usb stick? i mean copy the iso image to the stick and boot with syslinux ? i tried and it boots, but it failed to find the iso
[22:20] <pha3z> quibberl, its working now... i guess i'm insane.. but i thought last time i tried, it had no effect.  i got it.  thanks
[22:20] <svensko> Guest9149: try using unetbootin
[22:20] <pschulz01> Greetings... on 8.10 my deskclock is not picking up lat/longs of the locations I select. Is this known bug?
[22:20] <BigMike> doesn anyone know where i can change paper size from decimals to inches in open office?
[22:20] <Guest9149> ok
[22:21] <quibbler> fiftyone: have you tried grabit with wine...works fine
[22:21] <fiftyone> HellaNZB hella cool someone here hadda have used it before :(
[22:21] <deany> fiftyone, well if you need an nzb downloader than auto imports and downloads from nzb, and auto extracts, only gets pars when needed, then i`ll help ya
[22:21] <fiftyone> quibbler yea? never thought of that
[22:22] <fiftyone> deany thats EXACTLY what i need
[22:22] <quibbler> fiftyone: been using it for years no problems
[22:22] <deany> well.. grab ninan and take it to PM
[22:22] <deany> i use it, works.. end of
[22:22] <yoyit2> my ubuntu keeps freezing after i boot it. it gets to the log in screen.. then after about 3 seconds it freezes
[22:23] <rashed2020> What does it mean when my caps lock and num lock lights keep blinking?
[22:23] <Basket1234> yoyit2: i have the same issue with different versions
[22:23] <oobe> is it normal to have a .directory file on you desktio
[22:24] <yoyit2> Basket1234: have you been able to fix it??
[22:24] <oobe> desktop
[22:25] <kfyit> yoyit2-> a new install?
[22:25] <yoyit2> kfyit: yea.. it worked for a few hours, but now it wont
[22:25] <Basket1234> kfyit: i have a similar issue and have tried a clean install with 8.04 8.10 and 7.10
[22:26] <kfyit> yoyit2 -> when you say frozen, not able to use the mouse nor the keyboard at all? cant get to ctrl+alt+f1 ?
[22:26] <yoyit2> kfyit:  correct.. it doesnt do ANYTHING
[22:27] <M06w> howcome the livecd has the gnome partitioner in it, but the resulting install doesn't?
[22:27] <kfyit> yoyit2 + Basket1234  have you guys tried if its okay with livecd?
[22:27] <rashed2020> M06w: Because once it's installed you can't use the partitioner on that drive
[22:27] <Basket1234> i have usually had to use the alt cd
[22:27] <yoyit2> kfyit: it works just fine with live
[22:28] <kfyit> yoyit2 -> are you sure the installation completed?
[22:28] <M06w> but what if I want to?
[22:28] <rashed2020> You can't. The drive has to be unmounted to be partitioned.
[22:28] <kfyit> M06w -> you can not use gparted? or cfdisk or fdisk?
[22:28] <TelQuel> anyone here who can help with my microphone in ubuntu?
[22:28] <rashed2020> And if you unmount the drive, then you can't use the installation
[22:28] <__mikem> are there any ops in here? I need to make a complaint
[22:28] <quibbler> M06w: you can't use it on a mounted drive
[22:28] <TelQuel> its working for online apps like skype but the sound recorded doesn't work
[22:29] <rashed2020> But if you want to use it on a mounted drive: sudo apt-get gparted
[22:29] <rashed2020> on an UNNNNmounted drive*
[22:29] <M06w> would any trouble arrise from using the livecd to alter the partition sizes an an installation?
[22:29] <yoyit2> kfyit: possitive.. ive done it 2ce
[22:29] <M06w> on an
[22:29] <adam_> how do I add an entry to my $PATH
[22:29] <rashed2020> Using a live CD wouldn't because the hard drive wouldn't be mounted
[22:29] <kfyit> yoyit2 -> are you using wireless?
[22:29] <M06w> but I can unmount it manually
[22:29] <M06w> which I did
[22:30] <__mikem> PATH=$PATH:yourentryhere && export PATH
[22:30] <BlueLotus> yo ppls
[22:30] <M06w> or maybe you said that
[22:30] <__mikem> adam_: ^
[22:30] <adam_> __mikem: thanks mike
[22:30] <kfyit> M06w -> what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
[22:30] <rashed2020> adam_: That will only work on your current session
[22:30] <BlueLotus> i have an imbeded linux project i need some guidance on
[22:30] <BlueLotus> where could i go for that
[22:30] <adam_> rashed2020: how do I make it permanent?
[22:30] <rashed2020> If you want it to be that way every time then you'll need to put it in your .bash_profile file
[22:30] <DJ_HaMsTa> whats the essencial pack command for ubuntu ?
[22:30] <yoyit2> kfyit: yes.. and im having a hard time keeping a conection with it.. but my laptop has no problem
[22:31] <M06w> my mom has an old laptop with a dead harddrive, so we have ubuntu running off a flash drive, and I wanted to add a fat32 partition so she could transfer files easier
[22:31] <adam_> rashed2020: ahh gotcha
[22:31] <mcandertoad> BlueLotus: google
[22:31] <BlueLotus> yeah
[22:31] <BlueLotus> duh
[22:31] <durt> anyone get a phillips 713x chipset tv tuner card working?
[22:31] <rashed2020> M06w: Better do it with a liveCD
[22:31] <BlueLotus> i was hoping to talk to someone who knows what they are talking about
[22:31] <M06w> I did
[22:31] <rashed2020> Oh ok
[22:31] <rashed2020> What's the problem then?
[22:31] <kfyit> yoyit2 -> boot off of your livecd and then try to use the ethernet connectivity first, instead of the wirelesss to see it can fix it
[22:31] <__mikem> /win/win 4
[22:31] <__mikem> crap
[22:31] <__mikem> sorry
[22:32] <kfyit> BlueLotus -> which processor target?
[22:32] <BlueLotus> i want to put a tiny computer in a keyboard that has build in lcd and i want to use the tiny computer to telnet to my destop from school
[22:32] <BlueLotus> i have the keyboard
[22:32] <BlueLotus> and i know that tiny SBC's exist
[22:32] <gordonjcp> I have a really really odd USB Audio problem - when I turn on my Xiosynth, it is detected but then for some reason Ubuntu plays the Gnome startup sound through its audio interface
[22:32] <BlueLotus> its a big project
[22:32] <yoyit2> kfyit: how would it fix it??
[22:32] <kfyit> BlueLotus -> which processor target?
[22:33] <kfyit> yoyit2 -> by not attempting a wireless connection, staying on ethernet perhaps.. try it
[22:33] <M06w> so we ran the partiton editor from the livecd and edited the partition, but it was taking a long time so she went home with it, and closed the laptop; according to the settings it would only blank the screeen when the laptop is closed, but now it's not unblanking; what can be done
[22:33] <zutperman> hi
[22:33] <gordonjcp> is Ubuntu supposed to play sounds through newly-detected sound hardware?  And if so, how do I stop it?
[22:34] <kfyit> M06w -> i think she should have learned to be more patient..lol
[22:34] <NicDumZ> M06w, smack your laptop against the wall ? wild guess...
[22:34] <rashed2020> M06w: I think the installation on the drive got messed up
[22:34] <a|3x> i am having a problem with ieee1394, anyone care to help
[22:34] <thomc> how do i recover a fat32 partition?
[22:34] <kfyit> BlueLotus -> one last time  which processor target?
[22:34] <rashed2020> thomc: an image of the partition or files?
[22:34] <yoyit2> kfyit: with windows you can repair your os with the disk.. can you do that with ubuntu?
[22:35] <a|3x> sudo lspci shows a firewire device but ive got no 1394 in /dev/
[22:35] <rashed2020> damn kfyit! PATIENCE! heh
[22:35] <zutperman> is there anyone that can help me  with a soud problem (sorry for my english i'm frech and no one seems to be able to help me on the french channel)
[22:35] <NicDumZ> M06w, but seriously a huge electromagnet next to your HD should fix it up. Or not.
[22:35] <thomc> rashed2020: what i've done is reformatted it accidentally. i'd like to recover the data on it.
[22:35] <NicDumZ> zutperman, en même temps t'as déjà vu du son qui marchait sur ubuntu ? French or English... give a try, but ... =)
[22:35] <kfyit> yoyit2 -> its the connection am referring to, not an os recovery
[22:36] <a|3x> got a problem with firewire, sudo lspci shows a firewire device but ive got no 1394 in /dev/
[22:36] <yoyit2> kfyit:  yeah i know.. but im saying my os was running just fine.. but now it isnt
[22:37] <Guest29389> need help with sound
[22:37] <Guest29389> scratchy noise/no sound
[22:37] <rashed2020> thomc: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec
[22:37] <kfyit> yoyit2 -> you are not getting the idea, fix the attempt to use the wireless (ie disable it) and see if it stops from freezing
[22:37] <zutperman> my problem is that my pci card seems to be undetected by alsa : $ cat /proc/asound/cards
[22:37] <zutperman>  --- no soundcards ---
[22:38] <zutperman> but when i do lspci; the card is found
[22:38] <thomc> rashed2020, thanks
[22:38] <Guest29389> i dont have sound, only scratchy static noise
[22:38] <Guest29389> please help
[22:38] <NicDumZ> zutperman, have you tried #alsa ? they're usually quite good at fixing this kind of stuff
[22:38] <rashed2020> NP
[22:39] <a|3x> got a problem with firewire, sudo lspci shows a firewire device but ive got no 1394 in /dev/, anybody care to help?
[22:40] <joejc> how easy is it to setup a second monitor?
[22:40] <hvgotcodes> nickrud: you there?
[22:41] <erUSUL> !xinerama
[22:41] <Basket1234> anyone have an idea of why my computer would freeze when Starting Hardware Abstraction Hald step
[22:42] <rashed2020> I thought all you had to do was plug them in now
[22:42] <ninuuz> Hi, anyone familiar with Acer nplify (wifi)
[22:43] <ninuuz> ?
[22:43] <rashed2020> a|3x: I'm guessing it's a driver issue
[22:43] <meoblast001> how do i recursively search from my working directory for *.raw?
[22:43] <hvgotcodes> i used prevu to backport a jaunty package to intreped.  that package has since been update (so am i am told).  how do i use prevu to get the latest version?
[22:43] <a|3x> i had installed debian previously and it worked fine but i remember i had to recompile the kernel
[22:44] <gordonjcp> can anyone point me in the direction to find out what happens when a new USB audio device is detected in Ubuntu?  Just now it plays the Gnome startup sound through a new device when you plug it in
[22:44] <a|3x> rashed2020: i know it worked fine on debian but i forgot what i did, it was few years ago
[22:45] <a|3x> rashed2020: i installed ubuntu recently, now trying to figure out how to make it work again
[22:45] <lucasvo> I have just updated to jaunty and my rhythmbox stopped playing all my mp3 files. I reinstalled all the bad and ugly gstreamer plugins, but it didn't help.
[22:45] <rakudave> gordonjcp: you should be able so select it in system-settings-audio
[22:45] <rashed2020> Ah, well sorry. I don't really know much about that.
[22:45] <gordonjcp> rakudave: no, I can't
[22:46] <rashed2020> None of the experts seem to be around, either.
[22:46] <gordonjcp> rakudave: at least, I don't see an option for that
[22:46] <DrDerek> hey, I have kind of an important question - is there a way to edit the auto shutdown when my computer gets to a certian temp
[22:46] <DrDerek> currently, it's at 81-85C
[22:46] <fprimex> if I create a 64 bit Xen VM using ubuntu 8.10 amd64 as a host, can I then move that VM to a debian stable amd64 bit host?
[22:46] <DrDerek> and I think that's a little scary
[22:46] <rashed2020> DrDerek: It's fine
[22:46] <gordonjcp> rakudave: nothing there in system->preferences->sound that could suggest why it does that
[22:46] <rashed2020> And I thinkkkk that's in the BIOS, not ubuntu
[22:47] <socksy> disable ACPI?
[22:47] <Sa[i]nT> How do I check the space left on my drive with the terminal?
[22:47] <jonaskoelker> I (apt-get) install itsalltext, but when I try to edit a textarea in firefox I get "your editor has not been set".  In prefs.js, I have extensions.itsalltext.editor set to /usr/bin/emacs22-nox.  What gives?
[22:47] <gordonjcp> Sa[i]nT: "df -h"
[22:47] <fprimex> Sa[i]nT: df -h
[22:48] <hvgotcodes> in a jaunty package has been updated since the last time i used prevu on it, do i just run preview on it again?
[22:48] <rakudave> gordonjcp: strange... mine shows up there, but i had to remove pulseaudio first in order to get it working correctly...
[22:48] <TelQuel> where do I alter my audio capture settings in ubuntu?
[22:48] <gordonjcp> rakudave: are we talking about the same problem?
[22:48] <klenz> hey i need some help im using ubuntu ibex and every time i start fire fox it goes so full screen that i can see the task bar
[22:49] <adam_> in a permissions mode string of drwxrwxrwt, what does the 't' represent?
[22:49] <erUSUL> klenz: press f11 (maybe you need to do it twice)
[22:49] <rakudave> gordonjcp: i think so ;-)
[22:49] <gordonjcp> rakudave: the device works, but when it's detected Ubuntu plays the Gnome startup sound through it at absolutely mindbuggering volume
[22:49] <klenz> ill try that
[22:49] <gordonjcp> rakudave: as you can imagine, this is not something I want to have happening
[22:49] <erUSUL> !jaunty | rakudave
[22:50] <socksy> Does anybody know of an ubuntu based live cd which consists only of the base system with cli - what you'd get with a cli install with the alternative-install CD or a net-install? I'd like to build an ubuntu system from scratch on my USB drive, using Ubuntu's USB startup disk utility. Currently running off a Live CD, so can't use UCK.
[22:50] <rakudave> erUSUL: ?
[22:50] <klenz> that did it thanx
[22:50] <fprimex> adam_: save text attribute
[22:50] <cow_2001> i deleted some torrents in transmission. it deleted the files and the torrent files, but it didn't free the HDD space. What could be the cause for that?
[22:50] <erUSUL> rakudave: sorry... my mistake
[22:50] <gordonjcp> rakudave: all the other system sounds are disabled, perhaps I should just delete them
[22:50] <fprimex> adam: http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html
[22:50] <erUSUL> !jaunty > hvgotcodes
[22:51] <Unislash> hey guys, i'm having a bit of a problem with my mouse settings (i think)
[22:51] <Rabbitbunny> I'm trying to get Sambe to share for an XPPro box, I've installed swat. It doesn't allow you to change anything... Where's the real gui samba setup?
[22:51] <Unislash> when i click and drag my mouse, there is a small delay
[22:51] <rakudave> gordonjcp: well, I have them disabled on my system, so i never experienced that usb-audio problem... just turn them off ^^
[22:51] <gordonjcp> rakudave: turn *what* off?
[22:52] <fprimex> Rabbitbunny: I think you can just right click on a folder in gnome, select its properties and share it that way
[22:52] <Unislash> for instance, if i position my mouse near an icon on my desktop, click and drag (quickly) in a motion that would normally select said icon... the selection is slow enough to miss the icon entirely
[22:52] <gordonjcp> rakudave: the system sounds are already all disabled, even the annoying conga slap thing
[22:52] <Unislash> this also happens when selecting text with the mouse (so you can see how that would be annoying)
[22:53] <Unislash> i've tried toggling the mouse preference settings
[22:53] <rakudave> gordonjcp: there is an extra entry in "session" to play the login-sound for some reason, try disabling thatone as well
[22:53] <socksy> Unislash: do you get the same behaviour when you disable compiz?
[22:53] <gordonjcp> rakudave: it's not the conga slap sound that plays, and that's disabled anyway
[22:53] <Rabbitbunny> fprimex: Oh. I tried that before, on my drive. The option only comes up for folders.
[22:53] <Unislash> socksy: lemme check... what's a quick way to do so?
[22:53] <gordonjcp> rakudave: it's the gnome login sound that plays, and that's disabled
[22:53] <Rabbitbunny> fprimex: Thanks.
[22:54] <gordonjcp> rakudave: *all* system sounds are disabled, it's the first thing I do
[22:54] <Narcisha> Hi, just sound suddenly stopped working after a reboot, (updated system), it finds the soundcard, volume is max, no mute, no programs blocking the sound (as i can see), any ideas of what can cause this problem? :/
[22:54] <Unislash> socksy: metacity --replace ?
[22:54] <socksy> Unislash: System -> Preferences -> Appearance -> Visual Effects?
[22:55] <rakudave> gordonjcp: yeah, but also in system - settings - session? these are all commands that get executed after you log in, and the welcome-sound has an extra entry there as well
[22:55] <Unislash> socksy: i currently have none of the radials selected
[22:55] <jeroen-> I run Vino-server with disable-background checked - but now the wallpaper is not shown at all -- when gnome starts I see it, but after a short while I see the default solid color and the wallpaper is gone -- how to get it back (properly something to do with naulilus?!)
[22:55] <gordonjcp> rakudave: this isn't after I log in
[22:55] <gordonjcp> rakudave: this is at any point when I turn on a synthesizer which includes a USB sound device
[22:56] <Unislash> socksy: metacity --replace worked... lets test
[22:56] <lasivian> I need some scripting help, is there another better channel for that?
[22:56] <Unislash> socksy: problem still occurs
[22:56] <fprimex> lasivian: what kind of scripting?
[22:56] <socksy> Unislash: I was just wondering if it were a graphics issue. Looks like it isn't
[22:56] <gordonjcp> rakudave: right, I've solved it - "sudo rm -rf /usr/share/sounds/"
[22:57] <rakudave> gordonjcp: i get you point alright, i'm just trying to think of all places that could have that entry... the "stupid" way might also be just to delete the corresponding sound-file ;-)
[22:57] <phade> lasivian: specify language
[22:57] <Unislash> socksy: nope... my single-click works just fine, thus it probably isn't graphical
[22:57] <gordonjcp> rakudave: well, I never ever under any circumstances want my computer to make any kind of sound of any sort, unless I tell it to
[22:58] <gordonjcp> rakudave: I use it for audio work, so a single system beep at the wrong moment could wreck a day's work
[22:58] <gordonjcp> rakudave: or, for that matter, deafen everyone in a 100m radius
[22:58] <Jakal> anyone know why xorg would be using %80+ of my cpu all the time?
[22:59] <rakudave> gordonjcp: all system-sounds ale located in "/usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/" so you could just delete them entirely
[23:00] <rakudave> gordonjcp: as for the beeps, you need to blacklist the beep-module: "echo "blacklist pcspkr" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist"
[23:01] <a|3x> i got a problem with firewire, sudo lspci shows a firewire device but ive got no 1394 in /dev/, anybody care to help?
[23:01] <jonaskoelker> anyone got the itsalltext firefox extension to work?  It's really cool, you can edit textareas with your favorite editor (yay for emacs/vim) :-)
[23:01] <rakudave> gordonjcp: to apply these changes immediately, run "sudo modprobe -r pcspkr" as well
[23:02] <gordonjcp> rakudave: or disconnect the speaker
[23:03] <gordonjcp> rakudave: or, more accurately, don't bother connecting the speaker in the first place
[23:04] <rakudave> gordonjcp: well ok...
[23:04] <a|3x> anybody?
[23:04] <gordonjcp> !anybody | a|3x
[23:05] <brayan_16> \\\\\\-\\\\\\- olaz -//////-//////
[23:06] <oobe> gordonjcp, he did
[23:06] <gordonjcp> oobe: not in the past half dozen pages of backscroll...
 i got a problem with firewire, sudo lspci shows a firewire device but ive got no 1394 in /dev/, anybody care to help?
[23:07] <oobe> i didnt need to back scroll
[23:07] <Rabbitbunny> gordonjcp: about 20 lines up, but don't worry.
[23:07] <Rabbitbunny> oobe: do you feel that the line 'anybody?' was useful or expedited his request in any way?
[23:07] <lasivian> shell scripting, I need a way to run a command, increment a number in that command and re-run the command until a certain # is reached
[23:08] <a|3x> when i try to recompile the kernel it shows that my config already has raw1394 enabled
[23:08] <oobe> a|3x, i dont think you need to have 1394 in /dev
[23:08] <Loki> I am currently working with an applcation that can not access a vfat mount, that is added by HAL. Is there way to set it up so all users can use this vfat mount, instead of it being owned by my specific logon?
[23:08] <oobe> i dont use firewire so i cant tell you
[23:08] <a|3x> oobe: but i got no raw1394 module
[23:08] <Rabbitbunny> lasivian: #bash would probably be a better place to ask, But you're looking for a 'for' loop.
[23:08] <socksy> is it better to try and find a way to get a base debian/ubuntu CLI installation on a USB stick, or to start with a full one and strip it away?
[23:08] <a|3x> oobe:  i got no raw1394 module even with raw1394 enabled in .config
[23:09] <oobe> what device are you trying to use
[23:09] <oobe> have you plugged somthing in
[23:09] <a|3x> oobe:  video cam
[23:09] <a|3x> oobe:  everything is plugged in but it shouldn't matter
[23:09] <oobe> ok then well best of luck with that
[23:09] <a|3x> oobe:  i cant even modprobe raw1394
[23:10] <a|3x> oobe:  i got no module called 1394
[23:10] <fprimex> lasivian: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[23:10] <a|3x> oobe:  i got no module called raw1394
[23:10] <oobe> you mean in lsmod
[23:10] <a|3x> oobe:  yes
[23:11] <Bodsda> Hi, when im trying to compile i get errors saying that c++ compiler cant create executables -- it gave me this log file -- http://pastebin.com/f70235248
[23:11] <oobe> a|3x, i dont know much about it but "locate *.ko | grep 1394" showed me some modules on my system that may help
[23:11] <a|3x> i got ieee1394 and ohci1394 but when i modprobe them i don't see any 1394 devices in /dev
[23:12] <fprimex> Bodsda: is your filesystem full? check with df -h
[23:12] <oobe> like dv1394.ko
[23:12] <Bodsda> fprimex, no its not
[23:12] <Loki> Or is it easier just to mount it via fstab?
[23:13] <a|3x> oobe:  hey, looks like i got raw1394.ko
[23:13] <gordonjcp> Bodsda: search for the word "failed" in that
[23:13] <oobe> a|3x, can you modprobe it
[23:13] <gordonjcp> Bodsda: start looking around that line
[23:13] <a|3x> oobe:  just did, looks like i got it to work, testing captured video now...
[23:14] <oobe> nice
[23:14] <a|3x> why lsmod not show it?
[23:14] <m3thos> hi there, I'm using ubuntu hardy, I need cairo compiled with xcb backend, how do I do that ?
[23:14] <Bodsda> Bodsda, the line with the error is -- /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL
[23:14] <oobe> me was helpful :)
[23:14] <enovativ> want to  convert avi file to mp4 for my zune
[23:14] <Bodsda> gordonjcp, , the line with the error is -- /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL
[23:14] <oobe> it probably does
[23:14] <enovativ> does memcoder work ?
[23:14] <gordonjcp> Bodsda: mmmm-hm, and what might that tell you?
[23:14] <oobe> a|3x, try lsmod | grep 1394
[23:14] <Bodsda> gordonjcp, no idea
[23:15] <batcoder-7> who here has used tux commander?
[23:15] <DJ_HaMsTa> when using an internal and external wifi card, does ubuntu choose the external as default ?
[23:15] <fprimex> Bodsda: need to install opengl libs
[23:15] <gordonjcp> Bodsda: you're missing a dependency - "-l<something>" means "include <something> library"
[23:15] <a|3x> i got ieee1394 and ohci1394
[23:15] <a|3x> oobe: i got ieee1394 and ohci1394
[23:15] <gordonjcp> Bodsda: try "apt-get build-dep <name of thing you're building>"
[23:15] <Bodsda> gordonjcp, ok cool -- fprimex is whats the name of the package?
[23:16] <rolf_> spricht man hier auch deutsch ?
[23:16] <oobe> ok then when you modprobed raw1394 it possible loaded those modules instead for you a|3x
[23:16] <gordonjcp> !de | rolf_
[23:16] <jonaskoelker> rolf_: probier mal #ubuntu-de
[23:16] <Bodsda> gordonjcp, erm, im building a dungeonkeeper 2 clone from source, how would apt no anything about it?
[23:16] <Rabbitbunny> enovativ: google first. Your question has already been answered on the forums.
[23:16] <gordonjcp> Bodsda: is it packaged for Debian at all?
[23:16] <batcoder-7> this is driving me nuts
[23:16] <Bodsda> gordonjcp, nope
[23:16] <a|3x> oobe:  no, when i did that nothing appeared in /dev/
[23:16] <fprimex> Bodsda: try xlibmesa-gl-dev
[23:17] <gordonjcp> Bodsda: oh, you're on your own then.  But quite often if you're just making a newer or custom version of an existing package, "apt-get build-dep" will pull in most of what you need
[23:17] <enovativ> Rabbitbunny: thanks
[23:17] <Bodsda> yeah thanks for the advice gordonjcp
[23:18] <yoyit2> has anyone heard of Damn Small Linux (DSL) ??
[23:18] <Bodsda> fprimex, just tried and it still produces the same error
[23:18] <oobe> a|3x, but you can now use your dv cam?
[23:18] <Bodsda> yoyit2, yes, most of us probably
[23:18] <kindofabuzz> anyone know why NFS won't automount? i have to sudo mount -a every boot for it to mount
[23:18] <m3thos> yoyit2: afirmative
[23:18] <wassy121_> Bodsa: what does 'locate libGL.so' provide?  You may need to run 'updatedb' before you run that command to get the freshest data.
 oobe:  just did, looks like i got it to work, testing captured video now
[23:18] <yoyit2> Bodsda: where could i get an iso of the os?
[23:18] <a|3x> oobe: ye it works
[23:19] <Bodsda> wassy121_, /usr/lib/libGL.so.1  /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 -- il try the update ty
[23:19] <nightrid3r> yoyit2: google
[23:19] <a|3x> how do i make it modprobe raw1394 at boot?
[23:19] <Bodsda> yoyit2, http://damnsmalllinux.org/download.html
[23:19] <wassy121_> Bodsda: It looks like you have the normal package, but not the -devel package.  You need /usr/lib/libGS.so (without the trailing numbers).
[23:19] <Bodsda> wassy121_, ok so what is the name of the dev package?
[23:19] <batcoder-7> i am officially about to go nuts
[23:19] <Bodsda> libgo-dev?
[23:20] <Bodsda> libgs-dev?
[23:20] <yoyit2> Bodsda: yeah i looked there but it just comes up with a page with files.. (and root stuff) i have NO clue what to do with that
[23:20] <oobe> a|3x, well i wouldnt worry about /dev/ it knows what its doing udev creates what it needs there not stuff just to confirm you have hardware
[23:20] <Bodsda> yoyit2, ok 1 sec
[23:20] <Rabbitbunny> yoyit2: Then you're not ready for DSL.
[23:20] <Bodsda> yoyit2, 32 bit?
[23:20] <fprimex> Bodsda: libgl1-mesa-dev
[23:20] <Bodsda> Rabbitbunny, no harm in trying new things
[23:21] <wassy121_> Bodsda: The -dev of whatever package installs the files you mentioned.  libgl1-mesa-glx-dev I think.
[23:21] <kindofabuzz> anyone know why NFS won't automount? i have to sudo mount -a every boot for it to mount
[23:21] <Bodsda> wassy121_, ok cool, thanks :)
[23:21] <yoyit2> Bodsda:  yeah sure
[23:21] <wassy121_> Bodsda: hmm, apt-cache search finds nothing :-/
[23:21] <yoyit2> Rabbitbunny: ive gotta learn some day!
[23:22] <etech> is there a sync softare for mobile phones for ubuntu?
[23:22] <bjordan> when I type "mv directory1/* .", why does it leave .htaccess in directory1?
[23:23] <bre4kbeat> hey everyone, i have a few questions about some processes i have running
[23:23] <Bodsda> yoyit2, this should be it -- http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/damnsmall/current/dsl-4.4.10.iso
[23:23] <filthpig> hey all. Any experiences on bugs when upgrading to intrepid from hardy?
[23:23] <bre4kbeat> whats xorg, python, b43?
[23:23] <IOA> xorg is what manages your GUI
[23:24] <IOA> python is a programming languages that sorta runs int he background
[23:24] <wassy121_> Bodsda: looks like no package directly installs that file.  Try running 'ln -s /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 /usr/lib/libGL.so'
[23:24] <IOA> for things like plugins and add ons
[23:24] <bre4kbeat> roger
[23:24] <kindofabuzz> xorg = x windows python = python language, b43 is probably your wireless
[23:24] <Bodsda> wassy121_, one step ahead of ya :) cheers
[23:24] <wassy121_> Bodsda: then re-run the compile, see if it gets further.
[23:24] <filthpig> yeah, b43 is for wireless cards
[23:24] <yoyit2> Bodsda: thx
[23:24] <Bodsda> wassy121_, will do, thanks
[23:24] <bre4kbeat> just my rams always pegged at like 60% and i was just wondering if im being snooped on
[23:24] <m3thos> I'm using ubuntu hardy, with software raid, lvm and ati binary drivers, do you ppl advise upgrading tointrepid ?
[23:24] <bre4kbeat> however i do run a few screenlets
[23:24] <Bodsda> yoyit2, your welcome, you may want to read the text file first though -- http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/damnsmall/current/1-readme_first.txt
[23:24] <bre4kbeat> and other prgms
[23:25] <IOA> there's something on System Monitor that lets you look at how much RAM each process is using...
[23:25] <IOA> have you pinpointed which one is using the most?
[23:25] <bre4kbeat> yea i have it open
[23:25] <IOA> yeah all three of those things are important
[23:25] <bre4kbeat> thats where i saw some stuff running and had a few ???'s
[23:25] <IOA> so I wouldn't kill them...
[23:25] <bre4kbeat> umm
[23:26] <Bodsda> m3mar8, i wouldnt -- things work, dont try and fix something that isnt broken by upgrading your system
[23:26] <b0xxy> wats this Ubuntu Server Edition?
[23:26] <bre4kbeat> leme monitor for a sec
[23:26] <b0xxy> is this fake?
[23:26] <Jack_Sparrow> b0xxy no..
[23:26] <kindofabuzz> it for servers, hence the name server edition
[23:26] <a|3x> oobe: thanks for your help
[23:26] <b0xxy> is it new?
[23:26] <kindofabuzz> no
[23:26] <b0xxy> ol
[23:26] <IOA> lol.
[23:26] <b0xxy> jsut no one uses it?
[23:26] <Jack_Sparrow> boWe have always had a server edition and an alternate install
[23:26] <IOA> I'd imagine the server edition is like a stripped-down linux for servers
[23:26] <kindofabuzz> it's ubuntu without the gui, for servers
[23:26] <m3thos> b0xxy: yes, new and shiny.. all the elite guys use it
[23:26] <bre4kbeat> well mostly xorg, python, and b43...but pulse audio is also on there and i dont know what that is
[23:26] <kindofabuzz> i use it!
[23:26] <b0xxy> rofl
[23:26] <IOA> well breakbeat...
[23:26] <IOA> pulseaudio is kinda weird
[23:27] <kindofabuzz> server editon lamp server
[23:27] <b0xxy> so its ubuntu with out gui
[23:27] <IOA> I don't think it's a necessary process unless that's what you use for your primary sound
[23:27] <Jack_Sparrow> b0xxy right
[23:27] <b0xxy> k
[23:27] <b0xxy> lol
[23:27] <IOA> pulseaudio is like
[23:27] <bre4kbeat> it rarely jumps above 0
[23:27] <IOA> it's like a driver that lets you use different sound channels at once
[23:27] <jj_> someone help me how i do to config wireless in ubuntu 8.10
[23:27] <IOA> for example...
[23:27] <bre4kbeat> jj_
[23:27] <kindofabuzz> anyone know why NFS won't automount? i have to sudo mount -a every boot for it to mount
[23:27] <IOA> if you're running a 3D game that takes up a whole sound channel
[23:27] <bre4kbeat> jj_, yo maybe i can help
[23:27] <IOA> you might not be able to run anything else that uses sound
[23:28] <bre4kbeat> jj_, what card do you use?
[23:28] <IOA> unless you have pulseaudio
[23:28] <IOA> that handles the csound channels
[23:28] <IOA> *the sound channels
[23:28] <jj_> ralink
[23:28] <bre4kbeat> i might have installed it when i ran a few audio apps
[23:28] <IOA> yeah I'm not quite sure how it appeared on my PC either
[23:28] <IOA> anyway I'm gonna go now...
[23:28] <bre4kbeat> jj_, edit wireless networks?
[23:29] <bre4kbeat> thanks IOA
[23:29] <IOA> bye
[23:29] <IOA> you're welcome..
[23:29] <jj_> i can not config just wireless
[23:29] <little> I'm not sure if this is the place to ask, but does anyone know why the feisty-backports/, feisty-proposed/, feisty-security/, feisty-updates/ folders are still on the package servers?
[23:29] <jonaskoelker> how can I make firefox not be dog slow?
[23:30] <Spidler> jonaskoelker: disable the URL checker.
[23:30] <yoyit2> is there anyway to share an internet conections between 2 computers with an ethernet cable?
[23:30] <little> jonaskoelker: Get rid of all addons and put them back one by one until you find the culprit.
[23:30] <phade> jonaskoelker: try firefox -P
[23:30] <Spidler> yoyit2: yes.
[23:30] <ezerhoden> jonaskoelker: fasterfox for firefox 2.*
[23:30] <latexer> NicDumZ: thanks for the suggestion, just doing a "dist-upgrade" got me to 7.10, and I'm on to the 8.04 upgrade now.
[23:30] <phade> jonaskoelker: to see if it is problem of the extensions
[23:30] <bre4kbeat> jj_, system / administration / network
[23:31] <NicDumZ> latexer, awesome !
[23:31] <jj_> give me a link to do that
[23:31] <bre4kbeat> jj_, can you not see your connection in there?
[23:31] <Jack_Sparrow> jonaskoelker One user suggested this.. but I have not tried it..  Getting firefox up to speed.. in xorg.conf, in your "Module" section, adding glx/v4l/dbe/extmod/fbdevhw/record/freetype/type1/dri took care of it.  i.e: section "Module" Load "glx" Load "v4l" ..... EndSection
[23:31] <yoyit2> Spidler: how would i go about doing this?
[23:32] <Spidler> on Gentoo I had a small shellscript that would generate a list of files in /usr, compare to the list of files installed according to the package manager, and give me a diff for "files existing but not managed" .   How can I do something like that on Ubuntu/Debian?
[23:32] <Spidler> yoyit2: iptables/netfilter, set up a Masquerade filter,  or use any of the built in firewalls. Your "sharing" machine needs 2 ethernet cards however.
[23:32] <Jack_Sparrow> Spidler write a small shell script
[23:32] <afallenhope> hey anyone able to help me out? trying to update Java to the lastest. sadly running Ubuntu 8.04.2 64 bit and the  java <IP_ADDRESS> I want the java <IP_ADDRESS>
[23:33] <Spidler> Jack_Sparrow: Sure,  Just peering for help on how to get the info out of dpkg
[23:33] <Jack_Sparrow> !clone
[23:33] <yoyit2> Spidler: what if its a laptop using wifi.. and sharing out a ethernet?
[23:33] <_VIM_> !backports | afallenhope
[23:33] <Spidler> Jack_Sparrow: Wrong, that only responds a list of packages,  not a list of files claimed by packages :/
[23:33] <Jack_Sparrow> Spidler To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade » -                is better
[23:33] <Spidler> yoyit2: That works.
[23:34] <Spidler> Jack_Sparrow: yes, That doesn't do what I want here.
[23:34] <Jack_Sparrow> spYou need to do the work, you had a custom shell script before, you need to find one or write one..
[23:34] <Spidler> Jack_Sparrow: the problem is, how do you get a list of files claimed out of dpkg
[23:34] <nickrud_> Spidler, you're looking for cruft
[23:35] <shahla> can some body let me know the +/-- on KUBUNTU and UBUNTU
[23:35] <Spidler> nickrud_: I am? Thanks
[23:35] <yoyit2> Spidler: and were would i get one of those firewall programs.. cuz i cant seem to find them in add/remove
[23:35] <nickrud_> Spidler, erm, the package as well :)
[23:35] <bogey> I try to build xrandr from source, it compiles ok, but when changing mode, it complains  cannot find mode 0x10d
[23:35] <bogey> binary version works ok
[23:35] <Jack_Sparrow> !friewall
[23:35] <Jack_Sparrow> !firewall
[23:36] <jonaskoelker> little: when disabling addons, would I have to restart firefox for each change?
[23:37] <little> jonaskoelker: I disabled them all, restarted Firefox and then added them back one by one. When you add them, it automatically has you restart each time and protects the tabs or pages you have open.
[23:37] <rakudave> jonaskoelker: no, disable them all at once, then restart
[23:37] <shahla> is it possible to run an application in UBUBTU with root p/w?
[23:37] <jj_> break4,,   yes i can understood how i can do the connection in there?
[23:37] <Jack_Sparrow> shahla sudo or gksudo
[23:37] <Jack_Sparrow> !sudo > shahla
[23:37] <Jack_Sparrow> !gksudo > shahla
[23:38] <shahla> thanks
[23:38] <Jack_Sparrow> np
[23:38] <little> jonaskoelker: I have the FoxLingo addon and it's a MONSTER, so I leave it disabled and only enable it when I need it. (:
[23:38] <afallenhope> _VIM_, so backports are updates?
[23:38] <Ketrel> What do I have to do in menu.lst to kill the graphical boot?
[23:39] <nightrid3r> i just installed edubuntu ltsp server, client gets dhcp address but cant boot, tftpd is spawning several child processes when the client try to connect
[23:39] <rakudave> little: have you tried ubiquity for translating yet?
[23:40] <nickrud_> Ketrel, you want to boot directly to a console, no gui login?
[23:40] <little> rakudave: No - what is it?
[23:40] <jj_> bre4kbeat,, i don t see system / administration / network  but tools for network
[23:40] <_VIM_> afallenhope: yes a few updates get placed in !backports , that doenst mean every package is updated though
[23:41] <afallenhope> _VIM_, yeah I read the page lol you too too long :-p
[23:41] <_VIM_> afallenhope: you could also try seeing if someone made a PPA
[23:41] <_VIM_> sorry I was afk playing with photoshop afallenhope :)
[23:41] <rakudave> little: it's real kung-fu, watch the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvjdXNnRMfU
[23:41] <Ketrel> nickrud_: no, I just don't want the graphical splash booting
[23:41] <[coda]> hi there!
[23:42] <durt> anyone get a phillips 713x chipset tv tuner card working?
[23:42] <[coda]> excuse me guys, does anybody know how to configure an intel 82865G card on intrepid?
[23:42] <afallenhope> _VIM_, no worries. Photoshop + Wine = w00t although ..GIMP pretty sweet too
[23:42] <_VIM_> afallenhope: i think also adding the !Medibuntu repos might also get you a more updated Java
[23:42] <afallenhope> !medibuntu
[23:43] <nickrud_> Ketrel, in menu.lst , find  #defopts=quiet splash  , remove splash to drop the sliding bar with ubuntu text, remove quiet to see all the kernel boot messages. When done, run sudo update-grub to propogate those changes to all your kernel boot lines
[23:43] <nickrud_> Ketrel, don't remove the leading #
[23:44] <nightrid3r> durt: thats the tuner chip, probably your problem will be with the decoder chip
[23:44] <Schuenemann> hi, I'm getting this error all the time.  Ubuntu has detected it, but when I try to print it just feeds the paper through about six times. Can someone please help me?
[23:44] <ca_rlo> Hello
[23:45] <[coda]> I'm trying to configure an intel 82865G, and the svideo output is not desplaying properly on the TV.. does anybody know what could be wrong?
[23:45] <ca_rlo> Using Simple-CCS have the option Windows Preview on Task-Bar?
[23:45] <Hertta> lshw -C network shows that the NIC is disabled(?). How to enable it?
[23:45] <Hertta> rmmod+modprobe won't help. :<
[23:46] <NET||abuse> Hey guys.. i was wondering how I can take some episodes of a tv program off the dvd, got it for christmas, i'm just 2 episode from the end of the series,, friend of mine is some episodes behind, so i was gonna lend him the disk to catch up, and i want to take an episode for myself tonight.. handbrake and k9 are having issues.
[23:46] <little> rakudave: Wow. Oh. Wow. That is so cool. (:
[23:47]  * m3thos is building cairo by hand to use awesome
[23:47] <rakudave> little: :-D
[23:47] <little> rakudave: Is it a monster, or is it well-behaved?
[23:48] <jimi__hendrix> is open office 3 in repos?
[23:48] <m3thos> I have a build error, can I paste it ?
[23:48] <rakudave> little: never had problems with it. it comes from mozilla, so they probably know what they're doing
[23:48] <Mike_92> I'm having trouble setting up my printer in Intrepid. Ubuntu has detected it, but when I try to print it just feeds the paper through about six times. Can someone please help me?
[23:48] <ca_rlo> I'm using CompizConfig Settings Manager, but nothing happens. Someone know how to turn-0n that?
[23:49] <Max-P> Hi, I am having a NetworkManager problem. I am trying to connect to an Ad-Hoc network with a WEP key but nm-applet refuses to keep my key and put a random one instead.
[23:49] <little> rakudave: I'm about to install it. (:
[23:50] <rakudave> little: the cool thing is, you can add you own commands with almost no effort
[23:51] <Ketrel> nickrud_: thanks :)
[23:51] <binarymutant> is there a way to get gksu (and applications that use it like synaptic?) to not lock the screen from on-screen keyboards?
[23:51] <little> rakudave: Awesome - I love to tinker! Darn, I have to log in to get it, so I'll have to create an account. I hate when they do that. (:
[23:52] <rakudave> little: i know, so do i
[23:53] <Bomber87> hi all!
[23:53] <nosferatu> hello
[23:54] <kernel> hi
[23:54] <nosferatu> does anyone know information about installing KDE 4.2 on Ubuntu srvr?
[23:55] <Keith1> I really need some help with my wireless, I've tried everything, and I can not get it to work.  It is BCM43XG rev 01.  Worked when I installed Ubuntu, then after the first reboot it stopped.  Enabling it through Hardware Drivers does nothing.  Tried countless ndiswrapper guides, all failed.  Any ideas?
[23:56] <nat2610> !thunderbird
[23:56] <adeel> why doesn't 'apt-get install postgresql' on Gutsy actually install the config files in /etc/postgresql?
[23:56] <nat2610> anybody know who to export everything from thunderbird, I'm chaning pc and I'd like to export everything to the new one (emails, configuration, rules for fildering...)
[23:58] <Phantomime_> hey there, I am trying to get rid of ubuntu. I read that you open up the terminal and you type in "sudo cfdisk/ dev/ hda" and then you put your pass word in , and then you can get to a screen that will lead you through uninstalling Ubuntu. I am currently unsuccesful though. I get a message that says FATAL ERROR: Can not open Disk Drive. What do I do?
[23:59] <Keith1> Phantomime: How did you install Ubuntu?  Is it the only OS on the computer?
[23:59] <Schuenemann> Phantomime_, you're probably trying to open the CD. Try with /dev/sda
[23:59] <Stargazer> how do i, using a LiveCD, copy/paste my previous /home to an external ?
[23:59] <spill> anyone know how to setup samba to ready vista shares?
[23:59] <jason_> I installed linux-backports-modules-intrepid yesterday (as per this post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1026770) and got my wifi working. Today, it wasn't working anymore. I restarted my computer, and tried again, but the list of wifi wouldn't show my SSID. I know the wifi works cause I have other laptops. I tried debugging a bit... iwconfig show wlan0 as a wifi device, but ifconfig won't show wlan0... If I try ifconfig wlan0 up
[23:59] <jason_> , I get SIOCSIFFLAGS: Resource temporarily unavailable


[07:16] <Cyric> hey is this channel alive?
[07:18] <Cyric> anyone has experienced problem while changing mac in UBUNTU?
[07:18] <Cyric> in the WLAN?
[07:22] <Cyric> i change it with Ifconfig but when i connect to the network it automatically reset the original one...