[00:00] <wallyworld> thumper: PR to move proxy update worker to common manifold set for use in caas and iaas https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10731
[03:10] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: and PTAL https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10732 - fixes for 'regions' command
[03:10] <wallyworld> ok, real soon
[03:51] <wallyworld> anastasiamac: worries about the yaml change since we try not to do that. remind me, was that something we said was ok this time?
[04:03] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: so yaml has to change coz we previously did not have controller side info
[04:03] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: the most yaml changes that r concerning r the ones that feed back into a correpsonding command
[04:03] <anastasiamac> for example if we had to update regions using this output
[04:03] <wallyworld> true, although pople to script stuff also
[04:03] <anastasiamac> however... this is more of a show than a list
[04:03] <wallyworld> but yeah, not much choice here
[04:04] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: i srsly doubt many ppl scripted that but we are adding more info that did not exist so yes, have to change yaml...
[04:07] <wallyworld> anastasiamac: lgtm, ty
[04:08] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: \o/
[04:10] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: what's status on vsphere role checK? still having "fun with groups"? i prefer "fun with flags"
[04:16] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: still fun with groups - I think I've nearly cracked it
[04:20] <wallyworld> \o/
[05:48] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: ok, I think I've got it - went down a few wrong alleys first. Also there's the weird thing where if you don't have the read permission you also don't have permission to check to see if you have the permission, so you have to use the nopermission fault as the answer.
[05:48] <babbageclunk> I'll finish coding it up tomorrow - have to go to choir.
[05:48] <wallyworld> ok, ty
[06:04] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: m inclined to lmit lists and show to just list and show rather than also do a diff... i feel like it's a different concern
[06:05] <wallyworld> porbs, just on a call atm
[06:05] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: besides we r only doing it in one, human readable format as it makes no sense in other formats...
[06:05] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: ack
[09:41] <stickupkid> is there away to make `--debug` flag be true all the time via an env var? I want it for some CLI integration testing, and it's very verbose to do that in every place
[09:41] <stickupkid> jam, thoughts?
[09:42] <achilleasa> stickupkid: how about 'alias juju=juju --debug' ?
[09:42] <stickupkid> sick
[09:42] <stickupkid> that might work
[09:50] <stickupkid> achilleasa, nice, that worked
[09:52] <stickupkid> anyone want to review the left overs from CI day, this ensures that we handle logging and bootstrap reuse correctly https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10729
[09:53] <stickupkid> it actually fixes an issue in one of the test suites, where underscores in model names failed to bootstrap
[10:23] <nammn_de> manadart: controller do count as agents? If I want to run updatesteps on the controller and machines, in generall all agents I add those to targets?  []Target{AllMachines, DatabaseMaster} Or would be "allMachines" correct? I know we talked aobut this briefly yesterday..
[10:37] <manadart> nammn_de: AllMachines should do it.
[10:45] <nammn_de> got it thanks
[11:00] <nammn_de> did any of you ever came across this err message? 'juju.worker.dependency "uniter" manifold worker returned unexpected error: subnet'
[11:03] <achilleasa> manadart: can you take a look at https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10734? I don't think it causes any conflict with hml's changes but I will wait till her PR lands to merge this in.
[11:05] <manadart> achilleasa: Yep. Just grabbing a bite.
[12:10] <manadart> achilleasa: Approved. One comment.
[12:18] <hml> manadart:  can you take a look at a test for me pls?  https://jenkins.juju.canonical.com/job/github-make-check-juju/1563/consoleText  TestReplaceSpaceNameWithIDEndpointBindings - the data isn’t getting into the db for endpointbindings so fails.  I’m just not sure what’s wrong with the bson insert.
[12:18] <hml> manadart: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10718/files#diff-dd4ab00ea08f5a35293ab48af332ba38R3958
[12:19] <hml> manadart:  another set of eyes would be great
[12:25] <manadart> hml: Looking.
[12:26] <nammn_de> manadart do you know what "JUJU_K8S_MODEL" in the makefile refers to?
[12:31] <manadart> nammn_de: It looks like an env var that needs to be set as the model that "make local-operator-update" will run against.
[12:32] <rick_h> manadart:  heads up, in talking with thumper last night this topic came up and might be of great interest to the ATOS conversations https://discourse.jujucharms.com/t/little-known-feature-workload-juju-communication/2218
[12:32] <rick_h> heh looks like you've already seen/replied in it. cool
[12:32] <manadart> rick_h: I also posted it to the Atos Slack.
[12:32] <rick_h> manadart:  <3
[12:33]  * manadart got you yo.
[12:49] <manadart> hml: I think you have to add a model-uuid to the test docs that you create. None of them are found by the test.
[12:51] <hml> manadart:  okay, i’ll take a look,
[12:51] <hml> I thought _id was sufficient
[13:51] <nammn_de> manadart: just to make sure for bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1848149 , does an error occur while deploying? Was the err msg.: "version string generation failed"?
[13:51] <mup> Bug #1848149: Charm Deployed or Upgrade from Dir Ignores "version" <juju:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1848149>
[13:52] <hml> stickupkid: reworded the CMR scenario, hopefully more clear
[13:52] <manadart> nammn_de: There is no error. One way gets a version and the other does not.
[13:52] <stickupkid> ta
[13:53] <nammn_de> manadart: ahh, okay interesting. Maybe both bug reports where different nature I will update that thanks
[14:10] <nammn_de> hml: do you have the PR at hand which I should run QA?
[14:11] <hml> nammn_de: they should be linked from the trello cards in general.   here’s the specific one in this case: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10718
[14:11] <nammn_de> hml: ah right, thanks!
[14:16] <nammn_de> @jam you were saying we should add an acceptance test because of pathing. Isn't there one used? https://github.com/nammn/juju/blob/088736ee1fea11a6d85eb4511e26239cc688dc43/tests/suites/cli/use_local_charm.sh#L43
[14:24] <rick_h> nammn_de:  the idea was to test deploying a charm now in the cwd, e.g. ./path/to/charm
[14:24] <rick_h> nammn_de:  along with the test for juju deploy .
[14:25] <rick_h> nammn_de:  so we'd have both scenarios vs just the one
[14:25] <nammn_de> rick_h: you mean adding a test with a relative path? Current test uses a absolute one
[14:26] <rick_h> nammn_de: yes
[14:26] <nammn_de> rick_h: ahhh I missunderstood initially. Got it
[16:22] <nammn_de> rick_h hml: i just configured guimaas and would love to help QA the PR but a lot of things are new to me (Space bindings, CMR, bindings) someone has time to give me an introduction/give me links to some things to read up on?
[16:24] <nammn_de> just ping me up if thats the correct documentation for the current system: https://jaas.ai/docs/deploying-advanced-applications#heading--deploying-to-network-spaces
[17:01] <killcity> Hi all. Does anyone know what else i need to do when trying to set config values to env vars on a centos box via an install hook? they dont seem to be populating. works fine on ubuntu.
[17:02] <killcity> ie: MYVALUE=$(config-get myvalue)
[17:02] <killcity> the rest of the hook that doesnt rely on config values/vars works fine. ie: yum installs, etc
[17:11] <rick_h> nammn_de:  will make time tomorrow we can run through stuff
[17:34] <pmatulis1> when i use option `--metadata-source` with the 'bootstrap' command i don't see where this value is exposed. should it not show up in the output to 'show-controller' command?
[17:35] <rick_h> pmatulis1:  I think it's controller-config?
[17:38] <killcity> is there a chat log anywhere we can reference?
[17:38] <killcity> anyone know if they are planning on moving to slack instead?
[17:39] <killcity> irc is cool and old school, but...
[17:39] <rick_h> killcity:  we're not looking to move to slack anytime.
[17:40] <rick_h> killcity:  let me see if we have logs. We used to but I can't recall the url.
[17:41] <rick_h> killcity:  https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2019/
[17:42] <rick_h> hml:  looks like jenkins is back up and happy-ish
[17:42] <hml> rick_h: ty
[17:42]  * rick_h rekicks last build
[17:45] <killcity> any reason in particular you dont want to move to slack? not having to ask the same question over again because someone already asked it (because there is a convo history) is huge.
[17:47] <killcity> rick_h thanks
[17:52] <rick_h> killcity:  mainly not a fan of slack myself and I've avoided it so far personally. I understand not everyone agrees. I think that the main thing is it's standard for canonical projects to have a public IRC channel on freenode and it would be a large undertaking to migrate everyone/everything.
[17:54] <killcity> looks like #juju isnt being logged.
[17:54] <pmatulis1> rick_h, i forgot about controller-config. these two commands have always been confusing. anyway, metadata-source is in neither of them
[17:54] <rick_h> pmatulis1:  :( ok
[17:54] <rick_h> killcity:  oh, I saw it one one of the days.
[17:54] <rick_h> killcity:  https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2019/10/15/%23juju.txt (today)
[17:54] <killcity> i just dont see the benefit to irc over slack, but fair enough. this is coming from a guy that used to work at concentric.net
[17:55] <rick_h> killcity:  understand. It's just not something I've pushed on because of my own slack reluctance I guess. I'm sure there are others that would <3 it
[17:55] <rick_h> killcity:  but hey, what can I help you with?
[17:56] <rick_h> oic, you've got a charm hook question above. Hmmm, there's nothing specific on that I can think of. Just bash at that point.
[17:57] <hml> pmatulis: doesn’t metadata-source get turned into agent-metadata-url and image-metadata-url in model-config?
[17:57] <killcity> Thanks Rick, I appreciate the response and thoughts. Im excited to move all of our provisioning over to maas and juju from stacki. The one thing Im trying to figure out is how to set get-config values to an env when deployed onto a centos box. seems to work fine with ubuntu (tested on bionic). not so much on centos7. im sure im doing something
[17:57] <killcity> wrong.
[17:58] <rick_h> killcity: gotcha, welcome to the party
[17:58] <killcity> hmmm. ill have to test a little more then. just wanted to make sure there wasnt anything special i needed to do for centos :)
[17:58] <killcity> thanks
[17:59] <pmatulis> hml, no. i get null values for each of those
[17:59] <rick_h> killcity:  hmm yea, I can't think of anything. I guess can you log/dump debug traces in there to see if it's set, if the value is coming out correctly from the config-get call?
[17:59] <killcity> ah good idea. ill add some debugging in there. thanks :)
[18:00] <killcity> btw, this channel seems a lot more active than #maas.
[18:00] <killcity> which is great.
[18:00] <rick_h> killcity:  cool, glad we're alive and kicking here. MAAS folks are definitely a bit queiter as they're a smaller team in a tighter set of timezones (we go across almost all of them)
[18:01] <rick_h> killcity:  but I will say the MAAS stuff is awesomesauce and they've got a discourse going as well which is worth hitting up if you hit questions/etc.
[18:04] <killcity> saw that, so far its looking really nice and stable. the biggest hurdle is understanding the workflow, etc. which isnt a huge deal. most of the docs look very thorough.
[18:06] <nammn_de> rick_h: yeah thanks!
[18:09] <hml> pmatulis:  weird…. you checked all models?
[18:13] <rick_h> nammn_de:  k, have a good night and feel free to ask around of EU folks in the morning and when I come online we can sync up and catch up on any gaps/knowledge share that's helpful
[18:14] <nammn_de> rick_h: you as well, will do!
[18:17] <pmatulis> hml, i check both the 'default' and 'controller' models
[18:25] <pmatulis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju/+bug/1848241 <--- hml
[18:25] <mup> Bug #1848241: [bootstrap] metadata-source option is not exposed <juju:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1848241>
[18:32] <hml> pmatulis:  can you please add the version of juju to the bug
[18:33] <pmatulis> hml, done
[18:45] <killcity> does anyone know how to set the vlan and create bond via juju commands + maas?
[18:45] <killcity> so when i deploy a specific charm, any unit under that application gets the same network configuration?
[18:46] <rick_h> killcity:  so the idea is that you create the network setup in MAAS. There's docs around creating bonds/etc
[18:47] <rick_h> killcity:  as the underlying cloud it knows the network topology/etc
[18:47] <rick_h> killcity:  then in Juju, it'll read that data from MAAS and you'll end up doing things like using spaces, and endpoint bindings onto spaces, to manage which networks applications are talking through/over
[18:47] <rick_h> killcity:  welcome to the "deep end"
[18:48] <rick_h> killcity:  some reading material from the Juju perspective - https://discourse.jujucharms.com/t/network-spaces/1157 and https://discourse.jujucharms.com/t/deploying-applications-advanced/1061
[18:49] <killcity> Excellent, thanks Rick :)
[18:49] <killcity> The last hurdle we have is understanding how to set specific software raid configurations on certain models of hw. some of our nodes dont have raid controllers
[18:51] <rick_h> killcity:  yea, there's some disk management config you can do on machines in MAAS (though I've not tweaked that myself)
[18:52] <killcity> I saw some custom stuff done in a single posting somewhere, but theres not any reference material ive found concerning software raid in particular.
[18:52] <killcity> Btw, I ran my test deploy again and vars were working fine :)  It was an issue with the script itself
[18:53] <rick_h> killcity:  woot, glad to hear
[18:53] <killcity> *facepalm...
[18:53]  * killcity facepalms
[18:53] <rick_h> killcity:  interesting google search https://docs.mirantis.com/mcp/q4-18/mcp-deployment-guide/deployment-customizations-guidelines/maas/custom-disk-layout.html
[18:53] <rick_h> has a section "To define software raid"
[18:54] <rick_h> might be worth a bug to the maas docs if that's what you're looking for and couldn't find it in the maas docs
[18:54]  * rick_h has to run and get his son from school, back in a bit
[19:05] <killcity> rick_h thanks! i will definitely look at those docs.
[20:10] <roadmr> this is a software raid! put all your floppies and CDs in the bag and don't get any funny ideas about downloading any apps... we'll know.
[20:23] <pmatulis> gulp
[20:31] <killcity> does anyone know if maas/juju require machines to be set on a specific space before they can be used or can you have the space set at the time of deployment?
[20:31] <killcity> i would prefer to have a bunch of hw sitting there unallocated and not explicitly added to a specific space so they can land on whatever subnet they need to be on.
[20:32] <thumper> no, I don't think that is a prerequisite
[20:33] <killcity> im trying to better understand how to automatically enable bonding and a vlan subinterface on deployment. all our nodes receive trunked/tagged interfaces, so we can put them on whatever vlan we choose when they are built.
[20:33] <killcity> i can configure nodes via MAAS ui for this, but not sure how to make it happen automatically during deployment...cant seem to find any docs on it.
[20:34] <killcity> (also maas cli)
[20:39] <thumper> my understanding is that you configure how you want the network devices set up in maas, and then when you deploy with juju they get set up that way
[20:40] <thumper> effectively it is the maas instantiation of the machine that sets up the networking
[20:40] <thumper> there isn't another step
[20:40] <thumper> as far as I understand it
[21:36] <babbageclunk> wallyworld: tested out the precheck, all working - just writing a unit test now.
[21:46] <thedac> thumper: rick_h: Nevermind on the juju run problem. Test on latest 2.7 edge looks good. I'll let you know if I ever see it again.
[22:27] <wallyworld> babbageclunk: just got out of morning meetings. i'll review once done, ty
[22:56] <anastasiamac_> wallyworld: PTAL https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/10736 - list clouds changes
[23:24] <anastasiamac_> wallyworld: yes all is the breakage and so is non display of clouds that do not have creds registered. both were discsussed and insitented on in paris by both jam and rick_h
[23:25] <anastasiamac_> wallyworld: the removl of color was discussed and agreed onin paris too coz it was obscure for users and has no valud now
[23:25] <anastasiamac_> value*
[23:29] <killcity> thumper thanks. ill see if i can figure out how to create the different profiles for interface configs in maas.
[23:33] <rick_h> thedac:  ok cool ty
[23:52] <anastasiamac> wallyworld: rick_h : udated PR to only filter public clouds based on whether creds are present... PTAL?
[23:53] <anastasiamac> really want to land this asap as there is more in pipeline and no time left


[00:05] <Flannel> Howdy iShock, how can we help you?
[00:06] <iShock> Flannel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/97242/
[00:06] <iShock> After he PMs me without asking.
[00:06] <Flannel> Alright, thanks for the heads up.  In the future, just come here instead of pasting into the channel.
[00:07] <iShock> Eh, new theme, things moving on me :<
[00:07] <Flannel> No problem
[00:07] <iShock> Rofl .. 19:07 -!- mindrape<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit ["Flannel = nigger"]
[00:08] <Tm_T> :-P
[00:08] <Tm_T> Flannel: so, do you feel lick nigger? (I think some people doesn't feel it as an insult, nor should)
[00:08] <Flannel> iShock: Is there anything else we can help you with today?
[00:08] <Flannel> Tm_T: He's already banned.   :P
[00:11] <Tm_T> well, it's thursday here atleast
[00:12] <iShock> UK nub?
[00:12] <Tm_T> nub?
[00:12] <iShock> :<
[00:12] <Tm_T> UK no
[00:12] <Tm_T> anyway ->
[00:13] <iShock> ->?
[00:13] <iShock> Martin is an op right?
[00:13] <Flannel> iShock: Please don't idle here, thanks.
[00:13]  * Mez is an op
[00:14] <iShock> Flannel: I'm on my way out :<
[00:24] <ardchoille> I think I see a possible problem
[00:24] <ardchoille> either that or I'm crazy which has never been proven
[00:24] <Tm_T> yes?
[00:24] <Jack_Sparrow> Evening ardchoille
[00:25] <Jack_Sparrow> and Tm_T
[00:25] <ardchoille> Can non-opped users manipulate the J flag in #ubuntu?
[00:25] <Tm_T> IIRC no
[00:25] <ardchoille> [16:22:20]  mode/#ubuntu (-J) by FloodBot1
[00:25] <ardchoille> [16:22:23]  mode/#ubuntu (+o FloodBot1) by ChanSer
[00:25] <ardchoille> that looks like FloodBot1 did -J and *then* got opped
[00:26] <Tm_T> ardchoille: ah, that's prolly your client tricking you
[00:26] <ardchoille> ah, ok
[00:26] <ardchoille> I didn't realize it since 3 seconds difference in timestamps
[00:26] <PriceChild> I see that too.
[00:26] <Tm_T> there can easily be even several minutes if you're lucky
[00:27] <ardchoille> Just wanted to mention it in case it was a problem
[00:27] <PriceChild> It was already opped the latest time it happenned.
[00:27] <PriceChild> It was already opped both times.
[00:27] <ardchoille> And then CS opped it again?
[00:27] <PriceChild> The first +o is some time earlier.
[00:27] <ardchoille> Weird
[00:27] <PriceChild><PHONE_NUMBER> 0101T002026 -!- mode/#ubuntu [+o FloodBot1] by ChanServ
[00:28] <TiredWolf> have you nothing better to do on new year's day than quibble about my bots' bugs?
[00:28] <ardchoille> PriceChild: Are you sure you aren't missing a de-op?
[00:28] <ardchoille> I can't imagine cs opping it twice
[00:28] <ardchoille> But, I could be wrong
[00:28] <PriceChild> ardchoille: I don't see a -o. Do you?
[00:29] <ardchoille> PriceChild: I didn't look, mainly because I didn't think cs would do that.
[00:29] <ardchoille> Ok, sorry about quibbling, just wanted to report what I thought might be a problem. Thanks for listening.
[00:33] <TiredWolf> *quibble quibble*
[00:45] <Mez> happy new year fellow opers
[00:45] <jussi01> hehe
[00:45] <jussi01> happy new year to you also Mez
[00:46]  * Gary hugz Mez
[00:47] <jussi01> heya Gary!
[00:47] <jussi01> happy new year
[00:47] <Gary> to you too, have a good one!
[00:48] <nickspoon> Happy new year guys :)
[00:48] <Gary> *snogs*
[00:48] <jussi01> ok, thats it, happy new year to everyone!
[00:49] <jussi01> now I really should go to bed...
[00:49] <TiredWolf> SPOON!
[00:49] <TiredWolf> damn nickspoon, you look like someone who'll have a terrible year
[00:49] <TiredWolf> i'm sorry
[00:50]  * nickspoon snuggles TiredWolf
[00:50] <nickspoon> Have a wonderful year :)
[00:50]  * TiredWolf snuggles nickspoon
[00:51] <TiredWolf> nickspoon: you weren't there for new year's first kick, i had to kick topyli instead :(
[00:51] <nickspoon> :(
[00:52] <nickspoon> Can I be second?
[00:52] <TiredWolf> nickspoon: second is no fun
[00:52] <nickspoon> Pwease?
[00:52] <TiredWolf> nickspoon: you can be the one who gets kicked throughout the year
[00:52] <nickspoon> I'm always that one.
[00:52] <TiredWolf> nickspoon: well, new year carries some of old year's habits, that's undeniable.
[00:52] <Gary> oh, I missed the kickings :'(
[00:53] <TiredWolf> i think i'm still opped if no one deopped me so i guess even though mirc makes it annoying i can kick you after all
[00:56] <TiredWolf> nickspoon something that's new in the new year though is that i'm going to go to bed before you tonight
[00:56] <Gary> rawr
[00:56] <jussi01> hrm, to be evil or not to be evil, that is the question
[00:56] <nickspoon> TiredWolf: How odd.
[00:56] <TiredWolf> Gary, i said stop rawring
[00:56] <nickspoon> jussi01: Err on the side of evil.
[00:56] <jussi01> lol
[00:56] <TiredWolf> jussi01: ya evil
[00:56] <nickspoon> TiredWolf: Rawr!
[00:57] <Gary> TiredWolf: *RAWR*
[00:57] <jussi01> meh, Im tired, no TiredWolf kicking today
[00:57] <TiredWolf> jussi01: i'm tired too, i probably wouldn't find my way back
[00:57] <jussi01> oh well that makes it fun then :P
[00:57] <TiredWolf> Gary: ROOOOOOAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH
[00:58] <Gary> I so read above as "nickspoon, .... I'm going to bed you before tonight"
[00:58] <nickspoon> Oh I do hope so.
[00:58] <jussi01> now then... bed time
[00:59] <TiredWolf> Gary, and you were immediately scared that you'd be too late in the race?
[00:59] <Gary> TiredWolf: I wanted pics :p
[01:00] <TiredWolf> Gary: don't start calling the police just yet, the pics will have to wait
[01:06] <TiredWolf> Gary: that means that you've upgraded from, uhm, snail to tortoise!
[01:18] <TiredWolf> good night
[01:18] <TiredWolf> happy 1999 namefork
[01:44] <jpds> What a great start to the year.
[01:44] <Flannel> Weeeeee
[01:45] <Flannel> Although for me, its still 2008.  So I can handle it and not have my new year ruined yet ;)
[01:45] <Pici> ditto
[01:46] <jpds> Flannel: Something tells me it won't last ;-)
[01:47] <Flannel> Jack_Sparrow: It's in the wiki, it's supported ;)
[01:47] <Flannel> Mind you, we wont be able to offer detailed support, since its unlikely anyone's done it, but...
[01:48] <Jack_Sparrow> Flannel, Helping people remaster their own version of ubuntu isnt something we should deal with in the channel
[01:48] <Jack_Sparrow> remasterer works well..
[01:48] <Pici> Do the forums handle it?
[01:49] <Flannel> We've done it forever.  Although as I said, the level of experience is low, so they are unlikely to get a high level of support.
[01:49] <Jack_Sparrow> there are plenty of sources for people wishing to make their own distro
[01:49] <Flannel> Its generally not a case of making their own distro, just tweaking something on the liveCD or whatnot.
[01:50] <Pici> They're not going to find much help with it even if they do ask
[01:50] <bazhang> uck is very simple to use
[01:50] <bazhang> not much support needed with that one
[01:50] <Flannel> Right, but we shouldn't scold them.  And we do have fairly thorough wiki pages about it: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[01:51] <bazhang> no real hand-holding needed, just point and click
[05:10]  * nickrud looks at the article in his browser window, looks at Jack_Sparrow, and starts looking for the camera
[05:10] <Jack_Sparrow> What article
[05:10] <Jack_Sparrow> Nickrud
[05:10] <nickrud> the zune
[05:10] <nickrud> bug
[05:11] <Jack_Sparrow> I thought it was funny
[05:11] <Jack_Sparrow> all the 30 gig's dying
[05:11] <nickrud> oh it is, it is
[05:14] <nickrud> Jack_Sparrow, that dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg resets the default. real handy for people that played around too hard
[05:17] <Jack_Sparrow> Agreed, but it would not do what the helper was hoping it would
[05:20] <nickrud> I sometimes miss those questions, but not much. For some reason it works fine with my ati and nvidia cards, I always wonder about other problems
[05:20] <nickrud> *others
[05:21] <Jack_Sparrow> yea
[05:21] <nickrud> do you use kde?
[05:22] <Jack_Sparrow> I used kde for years then went to gnome full time about 4 years ago
[05:23] <nickrud> I'm giving it it's usual biannual chance. Pretty anyway.
[05:23] <Jack_Sparrow> I still have a kubuntu 6 cd here somewhere
[06:07] <Flannel> Anyone with ops in -ot awake?
[06:07] <Flannel> nevermind, he censured himself
[06:08] <Flannel> Ok, yeah.
[06:08] <Flannel> He could definately use a forward here, if anyone has a moment.
[06:09] <nickrud> we need a trigger just for that channel.
[06:09] <nickrud> when was the last time anyone was added to that channel as an op?
[06:09] <Flannel> No idea.
[06:11] <Flannel> I think we added two not too long ago, but I also think all of the ops for that channel are in similar timezones.
[06:11] <Flannel> And I haven't seen some of the regulars in a while, at that.
[06:11] <Flannel> likely due to holidays, I imagine, but I don't know for sure.
[06:12] <nickrud> most of the people on the list aren't around a lot anyway
[06:17] <elkbuntu> Flannel, australian daytime is notoriously under'staffed'
[06:17] <PriceChild> Suggest people! :D
[06:18]  * elkbuntu nudges Flannel
[06:18] <Flannel> What?
[06:18] <nickrud> Flannel hangs out in there. I watch sometimes, I have this thing about slowing down for car wrecks. Reprehensible, but I can't help myself
[06:18] <elkbuntu> yourself, dude. yourself.
[06:18] <elkbuntu> nickrud, yeah, -ot is pure morbid curiosity
[06:18] <Flannel> elkbuntu: I'm not suggesting myself, that's presumptuous.
[06:18] <nickrud> Flannel, don't be shy. Would you accept?
[06:18] <elkbuntu> PriceChild, i think we should just stick it to him anyway :)
[06:18] <Flannel> I would
[06:19]  * PriceChild notices flannel got the guy to leave the channel without +o
[06:19] <nickrud> I think he just got tired of being ignored
[06:19] <PriceChild> for 4 whole years infact :O
[06:19] <PriceChild> Now that's good work.
[06:21] <elkbuntu> Flannel, now's the time you return the favour to nickrud ;)
[06:21] <Flannel> Haha.  That's true, nickrud does have a thing for slowing down for the multi-car pileup that is -offtopic.
[06:22] <nickrud> -offtopic is in my autojoin list, but I nearly never actually talk there. I usually look when someone points out some good goop lying around though
[06:22] <Flannel> nickrud: I'll buy you a years supply of sawdust.
[06:23] <nickrud> as long as no one says I have to really watch, just be on call :)
[06:24] <elkbuntu> just say something occasionally that's non-op related, or wobblywu will yell at you for only ever telling people off
[06:24] <Flannel> Just wobble him occassionally
[06:24] <elkbuntu> well, no, he'll ignore it anyway
[06:24] <nickrud> hm. He would be in the right actually
[06:24] <elkbuntu> nickrud, yeah, but he wasnt in the right when he said it to me
[06:24] <nickrud> from my point of view
[06:25] <nickrud> hahahahha
[06:25] <nickrud> I have thick skin.
[06:25] <elkbuntu> the skin thickness is not the issue.
[06:26] <elkbuntu> the having your reputation urinated on is.
[06:28] <nickrud> I'm also good at avoiding pissing contests. Took me a while, but I finally learned. You know, the old 'rope-a-dope'. Let them tire themselves out and look like fools.
[06:29] <elkbuntu> i'm not talking pissing contests. i'm talking regulars telling newbies to ignore the ops
[06:29] <nickrud> But I do agree in principle; an op should spend at least some time interacting with the people he's dealing with. Oh, that. Hammertime
[06:30] <elkbuntu> nickrud, the -ot regulars want to be a law unto themselves. this usually ends up in talk suitible for ##politics
[06:30] <nickrud> I don't care how long someone's been around, the coc still applies to them
[06:30] <Flannel> Some of that has to do with ineffective opping practices in recent months
[06:30] <elkbuntu> exactly. the current regulars think they should be exempt
[06:30] <elkbuntu> well, not all, but the loud ones do
[06:31] <Flannel> And other issues stem from the fact that there's currently a crop of -offtopicers who haven't ever set foot in #ubuntu
[06:31] <Flannel> er, the other half of that issue.
[06:31] <elkbuntu> yeah
[06:31]  * Flannel speeks gudly.
[06:32] <Flannel> However, I know there's also a core of regulars who want to make -ot a nice place again
[06:32] <nickrud> Flannel, that was a perfectly constructed sentence, even if it was accidental :)
[06:32] <Flannel> nickrud: The first few words were wrong, but yeah.
[06:32] <elkbuntu> Flannel, yeah, but they're the nice kids who are willing to allow the idiots to have their say... and never get allowed to have *theirs*
[06:34] <Flannel> Over... hmmm, summer I guess, there was some actual visibility, but its an uphill fight.  Certainly doable though.
[06:34] <Flannel> Just going to have to be a concerted effort.  But I certainly think it's worth it.
[06:35] <Flannel> A lot of the issue is troublemakers bringing out the worst in the others though, a few well timed op-apperances may be enough to turn the tides.  We'll see I guess.
[06:35] <nickrud> since I'm not familiar with the players (I know a few names because they were in #ubuntu for a bit) I'm gonna have to spend some 'quality' time there :(
[06:36] <nickrud> and learn what's 'acceptable': Drinking stories? Dating?
[06:36] <PriceChild> !o4o
[06:36] <PriceChild> !guidelines
[06:36] <elkbuntu> meanwhile, does someone sense that pppoe_dude only came back to moan about not getting laid?
[06:37] <Flannel> nickrud: Every once in a while a few of the otherwise normal people get all sob-story on everyone else.
[06:39] <nickrud> no windows bashing in -offtopic? That seems unfair :)
[06:39] <Flannel> elkbuntu: baz hang would be another good one.  He's active in -ot and has a good head on his shoulders.  Even if he and I don't always agree on policy/strategy
[06:39] <elkbuntu> Flannel, i thought he was already
[06:39] <nickrud> he's not afraid of anyone
[06:39] <Flannel> elkbuntu: Nah, he and I have been fighting on the sidelines for some time now.
[06:40] <elkbuntu> he should be awake.
[06:40] <elkbuntu> last message 150mins ago
[06:40] <Flannel> It's NYE, he's likely off somewhere
[06:41] <nickrud> leave a memo, see how long it takes him to find it
[06:41] <Flannel> heh
[06:41]  * nickrud has a twisted sense of humor
[06:44] <elkbuntu> i thought he was in my side of the world...
[06:44] <nickrud> he is
[06:44] <Flannel> Then he's asleep after NYE?
[06:45] <elkbuntu> Flannel, i slept until midday
[06:45] <Flannel> elkbuntu: Mmmm, well... he's.... nocturnal?
[06:45] <nickrud> so he has another life. Unlike some I can name who are us west coasters, new years eve, and here :)
[06:46] <Flannel> Asia/Taipei
[06:47] <Flannel> Hmmm?  It's only 1045!  Besides... my propsective significant other is on the other side of the state right now; so I'm just going to geek out tonight.
[06:47] <elkbuntu> hehe
[06:48] <nickrud> my excuse is I work tomorrow. I'm celebrating tomorrow night.
[12:20] <Gary> oops, bit delayed there, llaaaaaag
[12:21] <Gary> I haves slow interwebs :'(
[12:22] <elkbuntu> thats ok.
[12:43] <elkbuntu> Gary, he hit up #wikipedia too
[13:44] <PriceChild> clitoral was just as dodgy in PM
[13:54]  * elkbuntu reads that several times, and still blinks.
[13:59] <PriceChild> #ubuntu person
[14:02] <elkbuntu> i figured, but at 1am, that line reads weird.
[15:10]  * jussi01 waves
[17:03] <Jack_Sparrow> !idle
[17:17]  * jussi01 wonders what the !idle was for?
[17:19] <Jack_Sparrow> jussi01, A few people I had not seen joined and said othing
[17:20] <jussi01> Jack_Sparrow: ahh
[17:20] <Jack_Sparrow> Happy NEw Year btw
[17:21] <Ursinha> happy new year Jack_Sparrow
[17:21] <Ursinha> and jussi01
[17:21] <Ursinha> :)
[17:21] <jussi01> heya Ursinha. you were after me the other day/week?
[17:21] <Ursinha> jussi01, hmm... I don't remember anymore...
[17:21] <jpds>  /year*
[17:22] <jussi01> lol
[17:22] <Ursinha> sorry :)
[17:22] <jussi01> no probs, just wondering
[17:22] <Ursinha> :)
[17:22] <jpds> Ursinha: Were you at UDS?
[17:22] <Ursinha> jpds, nope
[17:22] <Ursinha> not this year
[17:23] <Ursinha> erm, last year
[17:23] <jpds> Ah, I thought I didn't see you/someone with your name tag.
[17:25] <helpmaster> ok
[17:26] <jussi01> hi helpmaster, can we help you?
[17:26] <bazhang> helpmaster, you are banned in #ubuntu ; now you are ban evading
[17:26] <helpmaster> wait
[17:26] <helpmaster> please
[17:26] <helpmaster> im sorry
[17:26] <bazhang> helpmaster, you were banned under the name mr_fat, is that not correct?
[17:27] <helpmaster> yes, but please dont ban me again
[17:27] <bazhang> helpmaster, ban evasion is not okay.
[17:27] <helpmaster> i need help with ubuntu
[17:27] <bazhang> you are banned under this nickname as well helpmaster
[17:27] <helpmaster> but can i change my nickname
[17:27] <helpmaster> plz
[17:29] <helpmaster> bazhang?
[17:29] <helpmaster> i got on beause my ban was up
[17:29] <bazhang> helpmaster, resetting your nickname and IP address then rejoining when you are banned is ban evasion
[17:29] <helpmaster> what
[17:29] <helpmaster> i didnt reset my ip
[17:30] <helpmaster> i just got on somehow
[17:30] <helpmaster> i havent done anything bad here now, and i promisee i wont
[17:31] <bazhang> helpmaster, someone lifted your ban?
[17:31] <helpmaster> i dont know
 i got on beause my ban was up
[17:31] <helpmaster> what do u mean
[17:32] <helpmaster> wait
[17:32] <helpmaster> i will tell u full story
[17:33] <helpmaster> i got banned the other day (by u) and then i installed chat zilla on windows. now i went onto the #ubuntu and it worked
[17:33] <ikonia> why where you trying to get into #ubuntu when you know you where banned ?
[17:34] <helpmaster> now only today on windows vista
[17:34] <helpmaster> no i meant
[17:34] <helpmaster> i just need help wid ubuntu but now i cant get it
[17:35] <ikonia> why where you trying to get into #ubuntu when you know you where banned ?
[17:35] <helpmaster> u already asked me that. i said no
[17:35] <ikonia> no you where
[17:35] <ikonia> you got banned
[17:35] <helpmaster> look im going
[17:35] <ikonia> you installed xchat on windows
[17:35] <helpmaster> no
[17:35] <ikonia> you rejoined ubuntu
[17:35] <helpmaster> wait
[17:35] <helpmaster> yea but i wont get banned again i promise
[17:36] <helpmaster> just wait
[17:36] <helpmaster> ill
[17:36] <helpmaster> tell u full storu
[17:36] <ikonia> why where you trying to get back into the #ubuntu channel you know you where banned
[17:36] <ikonia> helpmaster: I don't need the full story, I've read the logs
[17:37] <bazhang> happy new year ikonia :)
[17:37] <ikonia> and to you
[17:37] <ikonia> only just got up
[17:37] <ikonia> well, to everyone actually
[17:38] <bazhang> yes, by all means; dont mean to be exclusionary: Happy New Year to one and all!
[17:49] <jpds> ikonia: Heh, I got up at 2.
[17:49] <jussi01> ikonia: pm ;)
[17:50]  * ikonia is rough
[19:36] <nickrud> @btlogin
[19:52] <pop79> hwllo
[19:52] <pop79> hello
[19:53] <ikonia> hi
[19:53] <pop79> hello there, im trying to resolve a ban?
[19:53] <ikonia> yes you where in earlier
[19:53] <ikonia> you left
[19:53] <pop79> oh sorry
[19:53] <ikonia> this is the 3rd nick name your using
[19:53] <pop79> but can you pleeeeease resolve my ban
[19:54] <ikonia> sure
[19:54] <pop79> thank you so much!
[19:54] <ikonia> as I asked you before why do you keep trying to join #ubuntu when you know you where banned
[19:54] <ikonia> (the ban dodging incident)
[19:54] <pop79> what
[19:54] <ikonia> I'm trying to understand your behaviour
[19:54] <pop79> oh wait
[19:55] <pop79> i just keep thinking that ill get in, but i dont
[19:55] <ikonia> your not listening
[19:55] <ikonia> you knew you where banned by bazhang, yes/no ?
[19:56] <pop79> ok. can u tell me when my ban is up?
[19:56] <pop79> yes
[19:56] <ikonia> you knew you where banned by bazhang, yes/no ?
[19:56] <ikonia> right
[19:56] <pop79> yes
[19:56] <ikonia> so why did you try to join using different nicks ?
[19:56] <ikonia> eg: you changed your nick and ip address to get into #ubuntu
[19:56] <pop79> i dont know, and anyway i like to change my nick
[19:56] <pop79> i did not change my ip
[19:56] <ikonia> you don't know why you tried to get back in
[19:56] <ikonia> ?
[19:57] <pop79> i dont even know ho
[19:57] <pop79> yea
[19:57] <ikonia> thats not really an answer
[19:57] <pop79> i tried to get in to see if my ban was up
[19:57] <ikonia> you knew you where banned - why did you keep trying to get back in
[19:57] <pop79> i tried to get in to see if my ban was up i just told u
[19:58] <ikonia> well, I'm not convinced by that as you've been banned under 2 nicknames now, so I'm not comfortable removing bazhangs ban, so I suggest you speak to him
[19:58] <pop79> he will just ban m,e again. plz
[19:58] <ikonia> why will he ban you ?
[19:58] <pop79> plz i need help with ubuntu
[19:58] <ikonia> your already banned
[19:58] <pop79> i know
[19:59] <ikonia> so I suggest you speak to bazhang as I am not convinced by your explinations, so its up to bazhang
[19:59] <pop79> well, can u atlest tell me when the ban is up?
[19:59] <ikonia> I didn't set it, so I don't know
[19:59] <ikonia> as I said speak to bazhang
[20:00] <pop79> i dont want to
[20:00] <pop79> he gets mad at me
[20:00] <ikonia> I've not seen him get mad at you, so I suggest you speak to him in a calm manner
[20:00] <ikonia> and it's a good idea to listen to what's been said/asked of you
[20:00] <pop79> how?
[20:00] <ikonia> speak to him when he's active in the channel
[20:01] <ikonia> bazhang: are you there now ?
[20:01] <ikonia> (I don't think he's at his desk now)
[20:01] <pop79> ok
[20:01] <pop79> oh well... thanks anyhow :(
[20:01] <ikonia> I suggest popping back each time you login to irc to see if he's around
[20:20] <stdin> someone should check if Borian is ban evading, FloodBot1 seems to thinks so
[20:21] <ikonia> what channel
[20:21] <ikonia> ahh ubuntu
[20:21] <stdin> it's the only one the bots monitor
[20:23] <ikonia> looks like he is
[20:23] <ikonia> I'll remove
[20:23] <bazhang> ikonia, sorry was away
[20:24] <ikonia> not at all
[20:24] <ikonia> no problem
[20:24] <bazhang> pop79 trying to ban evade still I see
[20:25] <ikonia> yup
[20:25] <ikonia> although he claims he's not
[20:25] <bazhang> hard to tell from the way he is talking in -ot
[20:26] <bazhang> plus the fact that he pm'ed me asking not to ban him again after he had ban evaded
[20:26] <bazhang> not exactly stealth behaviour
[20:29] <ikonia> stdin: nice spot by the way
[20:30]  * jussi01 cries and curls up into the foetal position....
[20:30] <jussi01> [22:30:10] <stanley_> does alien come pre-installed on kubuntu 8.10??
[20:30] <jussi01> [22:30:10] <stanley_> does alien come pre-installed on kubuntu 8.10??
[20:30] <ikonia> ughh
[20:31] <nickrud> bazhang, I think he's basically clueless about what ban evading is.
[20:31] <bazhang> nickrud, it seems to be the case (this once)
[20:31] <nickrud> not the first time I've seen it (cluelessness) I exhibit it in many spheres ;)
[20:32] <jussi01> rofl nickrud
[20:32] <ikonia> nickrud: it could also be playing dumb
[20:32] <bazhang> haha
[20:32] <ikonia> as he seemed to guess that changing his nick got him in quick enough
[20:32] <nickrud> ikonia, true also
[20:32] <nickrud> ikonia, and may think that means his ban is lifted, by definition.
[20:32] <ikonia> possibly
[20:32] <jussi01> nickrud: that sounds feasable
[20:33] <ikonia> but then when he's told its not lifted he keeps trying and trys other nicks
[20:34] <bazhang> I think sken may have left us a bit skeptical
[20:34] <nickrud> ikonia, true that also
[20:34] <jussi01> I think we need to sort out 2 thingws with him, first, the reason he was banned originally, then explain to him why ban evading is wrong (cause he doesnt seem to get it)
[20:34] <bazhang> it did me at least
[20:34] <stdin> good lord, xchat is using 39.7% of my memory, something is horribly wrong there
[20:34] <jussi01> so why was he banne originally?
[20:34] <nickrud> bot abuse, according to him
[20:35] <bazhang> he was seemingly trolling in -ot, then came into #ubuntu and asked how to ban people
[20:35] <jussi01> oh, fun
[20:35] <bazhang> yep
[20:35] <nickrud> was asking how to become an operator in offtopic earlier as well
[20:36] <jussi01> well next time he pops in, grab him, and do some explaining, cause he seriously doenst get it IMHO
[20:36] <bazhang> okay
[23:34] <ikonia> heads up chuy has been signing in / out, not seen him for a while but he's a big problem
[23:47] <jussi01> grumble grumble grumble
[23:47] <cuddlefish> hello. Any op got a problem with a wikibot on #ubuntu?
[23:47] <jussi01> cuddlefish: hi, how can we help today?
[23:47] <jussi01> cuddlefish: hmmm, does it say anything?
[23:48] <cuddlefish> No, i mean "could I put one on"
[23:48] <jussi01> cuddlefish: What does it do?
[23:48] <cuddlefish> answers ONLY to it's nick
[23:48] <cuddlefish> lemme show you
[23:49] <cuddlefish> there we got
[23:49] <cuddlefish> silent until:
[23:49] <cuddlefish> anna: test is foo
[23:49] <cuddlefish> anna: test
[23:50] <cuddlefish> nothing else. python+SQLite.
[23:50] <jussi01> so exactly what did that do?
[23:50] <cuddlefish> so, i set a keyword, called test.
[23:51] <cuddlefish> then when asked for test, it posted the contents.
[23:51] <cuddlefish> the first two lines didn't do anything.
[23:51] <cuddlefish> and the nick can be changed to anything.
[23:52] <cuddlefish> open source, of course.
[23:52] <nickrud> cuddlefish, what advantage over ubottu would that give us?
[23:52] <jussi01> I still dont understand its usefulness. how does it enhance #ubuntu ?
[23:52] <cuddlefish> Because of user-added factoids.
[23:52] <Gary> sounds just like ubottu
[23:53] <nickrud> before ubottu had to be locked down due to abuse
[23:53] <jussi01> cuddlefish: then the answer is no. we have ubottu with a moderated factoid system, we dont want just anyone adding factoids
[23:53] <cuddlefish> OK. Thanks for your time. Bye!
[23:53] <Gary> nice offer of him though
[23:54] <jussi01> well nice he came to ask.
[23:54] <jussi01> :)
[23:54] <nickrud> someone ought to point that out to him and say thanks
[23:54] <jussi01> Ill do it
[23:54] <Gary> we'd get !wiggle is wobble and the like
[23:54] <Gary> good call jussi01
[23:56] <jussi01> sorted


[07:59]  * Myrtti looks at elky
[08:00] <elky> mneptok, i know you're trying to be funny, but it's been a long week of stalkers and misogyny.
[08:03] <Myrtti> I lost my humour about all this sometime last Friday or so
[08:03] <Myrtti> and I've got my EMP set on "kill" instead of "stun"
[08:03] <elky> Myrtti, it's still nice to know that mumbai cybercrime unit is better than anything in the UK or .de
[08:04] <Myrtti> elky: true
[08:05] <mneptok> elky: you either laugh or cry. up to you. :/
[08:06] <elky> mneptok, not really.
[08:09] <Myrtti> [10:08]  * luthir is afk
[08:09] <Myrtti> BWAHAHA
[08:09]  * Myrtti gets her idiot stamp set
[08:11] <topyli> actually, #facebook's existence on freenode is interesting
[08:13] <topyli> it's advertised on the facebook development wiki as "used by those interested in development with the Facebook platform."
[08:16] <topyli> well why not? there is #launchpad too :)
[08:17] <elky> #launchpad is properly managed
[08:17] <elky> i'm pretty certain #facebook isnt
[08:21]  * Gary dances with Myrtti's pink feather
[08:22] <Myrtti> http://mysticalfairies.co.uk/shopimages/products/normal/WA_1624.jpg
[08:24] <Gary> mwhaha
[08:24] <Gary> nice pic Myrtti
[08:48] <elky> whoa... what's happening in -offtopic?
[08:49] <topyli> aprilhare and hateball are about to leave for a month's holiday from there
[08:49] <topyli> that's what i think is happening
[08:51] <elky> a month's holiday from aprilhare's obsession?! WOOHOO!
[08:53] <Myrtti> someone must have mixed something in their morning porridge lately
[08:54] <Myrtti> it seems that even the regulars have gotten an absency of brain lately
[08:54] <topyli> not sure about aprilhare right now
[08:55] <topyli> he's the worse offender, but as it happens, he's very careful right now
[08:55] <elky> he's been extra careful since he got the repeated warnings about being clingy
[08:56] <elky> but seriously hateball's pedobear act wasnt nice at all.
[08:57] <topyli> yes well he often has sudden bursts of complete asshattery like that, then returns to near normalcy
[08:58] <topyli> not sure why it happens, i guess help is needed. i can't provide that help, so..
[09:04] <nalioth> is that anything like beaverhattery?
[09:12] <topyli> that might be contingent on the cultural surroundings
[09:12] <jussi01> nalioth: behave... :P
[09:12]  * nalioth has been being have  :P
[09:46] <elky> topyli...
[10:10] <topyli> yes elky?
[10:14] <elky> aprilhare was walking the line again
[10:14] <Myrtti> yup
[10:14] <Myrtti> still is
[10:25] <topyli> he takes up too much too many people's time
[10:26] <topyli> hi aprilhare
[10:26] <aprilhare> hello
[10:27] <aprilhare> * You have left channel #ubuntu-offtopic (requested by topyli: "enough. see you in a month or so")
[10:27] <topyli> i know
[10:27] <aprilhare> why
[10:28] <topyli> annoying most people, making some people uncomfortable, and wolfram spamming everybody
[10:28] <topyli> also, never learning when asked to behave
[10:29] <aprilhare> your comments are unhelpful. i don't spam anyone
[10:30] <topyli> i disagree
[10:30] <topyli> your wolfram ads are unsolicited and posted to a large group of people who haven't requested them
[10:31] <aprilhare> i don't care if you disagree. i think you have a agenda that involves dissing anyone who likes or mentions anything to do with wolfram alpha; probably some sort of anti-hype
[10:31] <aprilhare> no wolfram ad
[10:31] <aprilhare> no spam
[10:32] <elky> i thought i warned you yesterday...
[10:32] <topyli> aprilhare: i do disagree and i think you should care
[10:32] <aprilhare> elky: warned me? to do what? never mention wolfram alpha again? how about i never mention google again? or bing?
[10:32] <aprilhare> topyli: too bad
[10:33] <elky> aprilhare, i warned you that you sound like a spammer for wolfram
[10:33] <aprilhare> maybe next ppl will tell me not to breath
[10:33] <aprilhare> breathe even
[10:33] <topyli> aprilhare: you know very well that nobody fills the channel with google ads like you go on about wolfram
[10:33] <aprilhare> advertising for inhaling air
[10:33] <topyli> your sexual innuendo is another thing that doesn't amuse everyone
[10:33] <aprilhare> topyli: below the belt
[10:33] <topyli> which iirc we have discussed before
[10:34] <aprilhare> topyli: you are lousy and a bully
[10:34] <aprilhare> goodbye
[10:34] <topyli> bye
[10:34] <Myrtti> below the belt?
[10:35] <Myrtti> I really enjoyed the pedobear comic reference today
[10:35] <Myrtti> they must be on some drug that makes their brain take a leave and run in pain, leaving them to perform general asshattery
[10:38] <christel> topyli: you're a lousy bully :(
[10:39] <topyli> well, do the math, it must be so!
[10:39] <Flannel> I haven't paid attention to much of anything said in there, but a month on (as far as I know) a first time ban seems steep
[10:39] <topyli> it is long yes
[10:40] <Myrtti> how many times has he been kicked again?
[10:40] <Myrtti> or warned?
[10:40] <elky> Myrtti, warned, heaps. he usually flees before the kick
[10:40] <Myrtti> he really *SHOULD* know how to behave
[10:41] <elky> Myrtti, he does know how to behave. we just let him get away with it too long
[10:41] <Myrtti> exactly
[10:41] <topyli> iirc i've kicked him before, and we had a /query after that. that's what i was referring to up there
[10:42] <topyli> quite a while ago, and warnings aplently after (and before) that
[10:43] <topyli> @login
[10:43] <topyli> @btlogin
[10:47] <jpds> Back in #ubuntu now.
[10:49] <Myrtti> jpds: nothing wrong with that
[10:52] <Myrtti> aprilhare: hi
[10:52] <aprilhare> hey Myrtti
[10:52] <Myrtti> so whuzzup?
[10:53] <aprilhare> i blew my top a minute or two ago in here - topyli banned me and started on me - first mentioning the wolram, then lousy allegations of sexual innuendo
[10:53] <Myrtti> both quite valid points though
[10:54] <Myrtti> but do continue?
[10:54] <aprilhare> that's all i've got.
[10:54] <Myrtti> oh, ok.
[10:55] <aprilhare> he talked about a month or two ban - how long is is cause i won't be holding my breath before topyli ever unbans me
[10:55] <aprilhare> i think the second is a beatup
[10:55] <aprilhare> the second point
[10:56] <aprilhare> if he wants to desex me, he'll have a fight
[10:56] <topyli> the month is hardly set in stone, ban length usually depends on a few things
[10:57] <Myrtti> and usually the ban length isn't revised within the first 24hours of it
[10:57] <Myrtti> as that's usually the minimum lenght of the bans.
[10:57] <aprilhare> if this ban isn't cleared up today, i'll be off for a new home and you can chat among yourselves about it methinks
[10:57] <topyli> aprilhare: no intention to personally attack you, sorry if it looks like that. i did ban you and answered your question "why"
[10:59] <aprilhare> well its not a fair cop. people mention websites all the time. if its google, its google derived results; if its wikipedia, its wikipedia articles; why not wolfram alpha!
[10:59] <topyli> aprilhare: and that's precisely why 24 hours is a good first review time. some people are angry right after being banned, and won't say things that are likely to make things better :)
[10:59] <aprilhare> review it all you want
[10:59] <aprilhare> take it and make a PhD study
[11:00] <Myrtti> aprilhare: why the hostility? you seem to be "threatening" us with something, and giving the finger to the guidelines and common sense in the process?
[11:01] <aprilhare> the guidelines didn't include "don't mention wolfram alpha" like its fight club
[11:02] <elky> aprilhare, they do include 'if you're asked to stop, do so politely'
[11:02] <Myrtti> you don't seem to bring anything else to the conversation than wolfram alpha, and you've been told to stop it a few times if I recollect correctly
[11:03] <aprilhare> Myrtti: don't worry. i won't be bringing anything to any conversations!
[11:03] <aprilhare> maybe you could suck out my brain while you're at it
[11:03] <Myrtti> aprilhare: you're free to join any IRC channels you find appropriate and that suit your habits of IRC, of course.
[11:03] <elky> aprilhare, enough. stop. please desist.
[11:03] <Myrtti> you're not getting in #ubuntu-offtopic today, though
[11:04] <Myrtti> and you're not helping with getting there tomorrow, either
[11:04] <aprilhare> don't want to help
[11:04] <aprilhare> not my job
[11:04] <elky> aprilhare, then this isn not the channel for you
[11:05]  * Myrtti watches #ubuntu with intrest
[11:05] <Flannel> That was just odd.
[11:05] <popey> deliberate mis-interpretation of every single statement
[11:06] <Flannel> He needs someone to have an intervention with regard to wolfram, or something.
[11:07] <elky> aprilhare, nothing is going to be achieved until you've cooled down. come back tomorrow.
[11:08] <aprilhare> give me a minute if you will
[11:11] <aprilhare> now: I mention wolfram alpha a lot, it's true. but others mention it too in order to provoke a negative response. if this behaviour could be attenuated, i'll talk about wolfram alpha less as a matter of course. and it doesn't necessarily require bans. I'm *always* going to be interested in wolfram alpha. you can't ban it out of me! however, i'll bring more to conversations if it isn't a socially acceptable bait for trolling!
[11:11] <ikonia> aprilhare: what is wolfram ?
[11:12] <popey> ikonia: http://www.wolframalpha.com/
[11:12] <aprilhare> ikonia: wolfram|alpha a computational engine
[11:12] <ikonia> ok
[11:16] <aprilhare> elky, message received?
[11:19]  * aprilhare assumes so and wanders off, pm me if you want to resume this or indeed any other conversation
[11:23] <elky> that does not solve the innuendos
[11:41] <ikonia> @bansearch
[11:41] <ikonia> @bansearch cycrosism
[12:11] <elky> uh, guys...
[12:11] <elky> bacta's back...
[12:11] <bazhang> yep
[12:12] <bazhang> same old suggestions for naming 'M'
[12:12] <elky> yep
[12:12] <elky> did someone actually unban him?
[12:12] <elky> or did he just not get banned from -ot yet?
[12:12] <ikonia> he's banned from #u
[12:12] <bazhang> not banned in -ot afaik
[12:13] <elky> can someone say 'bacta, that looks awfully like baiting'
[12:14] <ikonia> patience........
[12:19] <elky> bazhang, nuke.
[12:19] <bazhang> elky, call topyli or someone who has +o in there
[12:20] <ikonia> I have it
[12:20] <Myrtti> I have it, I was just adjusting my hilights
[12:20] <Myrtti> anyone with mybrute will be caught next time
[12:20] <ikonia> what is mybrute ?
[12:21] <bazhang> a game
[12:21] <ikonia> is it bad ?
[12:21] <bazhang> just lame , afaik
[12:23] <Myrtti> referrer game of a sort
[12:31] <elky> why are we letting him continue?!
[12:31] <bazhang> no idea
[12:32] <elky> i would remove him, but he'd take it far more personally if i did
[12:32] <bazhang> ikonia, to the rescue!
[12:33] <elky> nah, he's dealt with ikonia before
[12:33] <ikonia> huh
[12:33] <elky> i'd say myrtti, but she doesnt deserve the pain. it's topyli time
[12:33] <ikonia> I'll deal with it now
[12:33] <ikonia> I'm watching
[12:38] <elky> whoa wait. what did netyire say?
[12:44] <elky> '[...] trying to find your ex [...] builds character'... is that what kids are being taught these days? no wonder we're having problems lately.
[12:45] <elky> can someone shut him up, please?
[12:47] <Myrtti> they've lost their brain
[12:51] <elky> tonyyarusso, stalking does not presume 'already found'. i've had friends who were stalked by proxy, with their friends and family under constant harrassment, as well as stuff like voicemail. however direct contact was not made, but it was still stalking.
[12:54] <elky> oh cripes. fujisan is back in town.
[13:02] <popey> ugh
[13:11] <ikonia> not in our channel = no problem
[13:16] <elky> ikonia, with fujisan, the keyword is 'yet'.
[13:20] <ikonia> +b = easy
[13:20] <ikonia> he knows the drill - no need for warnings etc
[13:20] <elky> yeah
[13:20] <Seeker`> /abk = easier
[13:20] <ikonia> show off
[13:22] <Seeker`> :P
[16:10] <JanC> elky: which fujisan is that?
[16:11] <Pici> shes asleep
[16:11] <popey> there is only one fujisan
[16:11] <popey> thank $DEITY
[16:11] <JanC> hm, I wonder if he is the same one who has a permban in #ubuntu-nl* ?
[16:12] <Pici> Probably
[16:12] <JanC> was he using the "FujiVickery" nick now?
[16:13] <JanC> a guy with that nick was in -nl-offtopic yesterday...
[16:13] <JanC> and fujisan has a permban in #ubuntu-nl*  ;)
[16:14] <JanC> so I'll keep an eye on that
[16:18] <Pici> Seeker`: Whats at the end of that url that was posted? I'm at work now and can't really check
[16:19] <Seeker`> a bad drawing of a naked person
[16:20] <Seeker`> am keeping an eye on him
[16:43] <Myrtti> hmmmm
[16:43] <Myrtti> who was sudobash again?
[16:43] <Myrtti> he's in #ubuntu
[16:43] <Pici> Someone annoying
[16:48] <Myrtti> just wondering about that forward from #ubunt to #sudobash or whatever earlier
[16:48] <Seeker`> @bansearch sudobash
[16:48] <Myrtti> oops
[16:49] <Pici> There are quite a few of them on the BT itself
[16:49] <Seeker`> hmm
[16:49] <Seeker`> don't see why the ban didn't keep them out though
[16:49] <Myrtti> oh, that's just a mark
[16:53] <Pici> Mamarok: happy birthday
[16:53] <Pici> :)
[16:54] <Mamarok> Pici:  thx :)
[17:08] <tsimpson> the bot should now show marks as "Mark: by <op> in <chan> on <date> (ID: <id>)", rather than "Match: ..."
[17:09] <Seeker`> @bansearch sudobash
[17:09] <tsimpson> you can get the comment with @comment 7100 (for example)
[17:09] <Seeker`> @comment 7100
[17:09] <Seeker`> cool
[17:09] <Seeker`> is it possible to get what it matched on
[17:09] <Seeker`> so Mark: <host> by <op> ...
[17:11] <tsimpson> the mark is on the full host, unless the bot didn't know the host, then it's <nick>!*@*
[17:12] <tsimpson> the bot will check it's known users (users on channels it's in), then /whois, then /whowas. if all that fails it falls back to <nick>!*@*
[17:12] <Seeker`> is there a good reason for not including that information?
[17:13] <Seeker`> @bansearch fujisan
[17:13] <tsimpson> is there a use case?
[17:15] <Seeker`> for completeness?
[17:15] <tsimpson> actually the "Mark:..." will only show on the full host anyway
[17:15] <Seeker`> may give more information about what hosts someone has been seen from
[17:15] <Seeker`> why?
[17:15] <Pici> I like knowing something is a mark rather than a ban...
[17:15] <tsimpson> it only checks that '*' or '?' aren't in the banmask
[17:15] <Pici> In fact, I think I logged a bug about that
[17:15] <Seeker`> Pici: yeah, it is a useful feature
[17:17] <tsimpson> you can only bansearch when the user is online, or the user has a /whois/was entry, or if you specify the full host yourself
[17:17] <tsimpson> so you'll already know the host
[17:17] <Seeker`> @bansearch eth01
[17:30] <popey> Seeker`: he back?
[17:31] <Seeker`> no, just testing stuff
[17:31] <Seeker`> if i saw him in -uk, he wouldn't be there long
[17:35] <ikonia> yeah like !old is needed
[17:45] <Myrtti> graaaaahhhhhh I should have remembered BBC site crashes my browser :-CCCCCC
[17:52] <shadeslayer> hi strange thing
[17:53] <shadeslayer> when you try !alternate in #kubuntu it says something diff. from what you get in PM from ubottu
[17:53] <shadeslayer> could someone check it out??
[17:53] <Myrtti> !alternate
[17:53] <Myrtti> !alternate-#kubuntu
[17:53] <shadeslayer> Myrtti: see what i mean ?
[17:54] <Myrtti> yes, but where's the problem?
[17:54] <shadeslayer> Myrtti: the second factoid is out of date :)
[17:55] <Myrtti> ok, we'll look into it.
[17:55] <shadeslayer> thanks , and byw
[17:55] <shadeslayer> *bye
[18:02] <Myrtti> opinions?
[18:04] <Flannel> It is out of date.  Especially considering 8.04 isn't LTS for K
[18:04] <Myrtti> jussi01, genii, Tm_T? (Mamarok is probably partying, or *SHOULD* be)
[18:04] <Myrtti> Flannel: it isn't?
[18:04] <Myrtti> oh ok
[18:05] <Flannel> Myrtti: Nope.  Which actually means it'll be running out of support soon... whatever that actually means.
[18:06] <Flannel> Do we tend to have factoids for #k that are s/Ubuntu/Kubuntu/?
[18:06] <Flannel> that is, specialized/duplicated ones
[18:25] <Flannel> !away > goose
[18:26] <Pici> . . .
[18:26] <Flannel> heh
[18:28] <Pici> Flannel: see goose in #ubuntu
[18:30] <Flannel> Uh?
[18:31] <Flannel> Alright then.
[18:31] <Flannel> Full moon is still active I see!
[18:32] <Flannel> !away
[18:32] <Myrtti> shush
[18:32] <Myrtti> don't jinx it
[18:33] <Flannel> Nope, it doesn't offend your mother or anything.
[18:33] <Myrtti> don't jinx it!
[18:33] <Flannel> the !away factoid?
[18:33] <Flannel> is it going to start offending mothrs?
[18:33] <Myrtti> don't jinx the full moon on us
[18:34] <Myrtti> if the hell breaks loose in #ubuntu with idiots making a grande entry, I might end up short on my channels
[18:58]  * mneptok catches Wolfram Alpha discussion in scrool
[18:58] <Pici> stay in scrool
[18:59] <mneptok> http://www72.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Is+Wolfram+Alpha+sure+what+to+do+with+my+input%3F
[19:28] <Pici> that was odd
[19:29] <Seeker`> yes
[19:46] <Seeker`> gpryatel: how can we help you?
[19:47] <Myrtti> gpryatel: did you upgrade your router firmware already?
[19:47] <gpryatel> i'm still unable to join ubuntu; i updated my router's fw and changed port to 8001; even tried connecting from other network at work
[19:48] <gpryatel> ya, its the linksys  v 8, wireless g
[19:48] <gpryatel> i forget the model number
[19:48] <Myrtti> gpryatel: did you try the test me again?
[19:48] <gpryatel> ya it reconnected me & i still ended up back here
[19:48] <gpryatel> or shouldi exit filezilla ?
[19:48] <Myrtti> gpryatel: yeah, you need to try it again and again until it says you're ok to join
[19:49] <gpryatel> ok :)
[19:49] <Flannel> filezilla? or chatzilla?
[19:49] <gpryatel> er, chatzilla hehe
[20:37] <Pici> idiots
[20:38] <Pici> grr.... floodbots aren't working properly.
[21:17] <Myrtti> Jack_Sparrow: did you accidentally unban all web proxies in #ubuntu the other day?
[21:17] <Jack_Sparrow> NOt that I am aware of
[21:18] <Myrtti> thursday?
[21:18] <Jack_Sparrow> Again, not that I am aware of.
[21:19] <Myrtti> oh well...
[21:19] <Myrtti> according to the bantracker you did
[21:19] <Jack_Sparrow> There was a discussion about a mibbit user...
[21:19] <Myrtti> it broke the ban exception system and made it impossible for the floodbots to get rid of unwanted mibbit troublemakers
[21:21] <Jack_Sparrow> It must be the unban of a mibbit user via the xchat script.
[21:21] <jussi01> Jack_Sparrow: try to be a little careful with it, its really important that we dont break that system too much.
[21:22] <Jack_Sparrow> jussi01 I understand that.
[21:22] <Jack_Sparrow> I now need to check to see if they are mibbit beofre acting..
[21:22] <jussi01> Its a really good idea to learn to do it without the help of the script, no issues with using the script but if the script is borked...
[21:23] <Jack_Sparrow> jussi01 IT has taken how many months, years to run across this problem..
[21:23] <Jack_Sparrow> It was a mute and an unmute of a mibbit user that trigger the problkem
[21:24] <jussi01> Jack_Sparrow: regardless, you should by now know the system as that you can use it without a script
[21:24] <Jack_Sparrow> yep.
[21:30] <Seeker`> O.o
[22:25] <Ampelbein> hi there. the factoid !logs-#ubuntu-classroom has a double "see also !OpenWeek" at the end, i think this should be corrected.
[22:25] <Myrtti> !logs-#ubuntu-classroom
[22:25] <Ampelbein> yeah, that's what i mean.
[22:25] <Myrtti> !logs-#ubuntu-classroom ~/ - See also !OpenWeek//
[22:26] <Myrtti> !logs-#ubuntu-classroom ~= / - See also !OpenWeek//
[22:26] <Myrtti> !logs-#ubuntu-classroom
[22:26] <Ampelbein> ok, thanks Myrtti.
[22:26] <Myrtti> that's all wonky though
[22:26] <Ampelbein> now that you say it.
[22:27] <Myrtti> !logs-#ubuntu-classroom ~= /Channel logs can be found at Channel/Channel/
[22:27] <Myrtti> !logs-#ubuntu-classroom
[22:27] <Ampelbein> Myrtti: that looks better. didn't even notice the double beginning. thanks for changing that.
[22:29] <Ampelbein> Myrtti: it's me again. there is a factoid "open week" (with a space in it), which should be a alias for openweek
[22:33] <Flannel> !-open week
[23:38] <Seeker`> nalioth: mootbot hasn't returned yet
[23:40] <nalioth> Seeker`: i've noticed
[23:52] <elky> far out. could someone like back me up in -ot please.
[23:53] <J-_> Why am I getting in shit?
[23:53] <elky> J-_, because it's referrer spam.
[23:53] <elky> the aim of that site is to get people to spam and 'recruit'.
[23:54] <J-_> Oh please. You've pasted referrer spam before, too. That music game.
[23:54] <J-_> Same with other people.
[23:54] <elky> there's a million of referrer games out there. we dont want them.
[23:55] <elky> t61 isnt the same at all.
[23:55] <J-_> Sure it is.
[23:55] <elky> t61 is akin to last.fm
[23:56] <J-_> It's a referrer game. Recruit more people, make sure they type your name down so you get yet more points for pursuing.
[23:56] <J-_> Whatever you want to pursue.
[23:57] <J-_> I wasn't even obstructing anything when I pasted the URL twice. I didn't do it in a row. The other dude should have got in shit, not me.
[23:58] <J-_> Please make a rule of it.
[23:58] <J-_> Make even a factoid rather.
[23:58] <J-_> !o4o
[23:58] <elky> J-_, the other dude isnt a regular who'se seen it reprimanded before. you however, know better.
[23:59] <J-_> Does it say anything there about referrer games?
[23:59] <elky> no, but it does say about repetition.
[23:59] <jussi01> and particularly note: If you are asked to stop, do so politely
[23:59] <elky> that's all we need.


[00:12] <ubotu> bod_ called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[00:21] <bod_> LjL, can i be a pain and ask for another adjustment on !gq  ?
[00:22] <LjL-Temp> yes
[00:23] <bod_>  Please be aware your question, either, fails to put the point across and could easily be misunderstood, or, could you please be more specific and supply more information. Please read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html to understand how to ask a 'good' question. Cheers!
[00:23] <LjL-Temp> isn't it getting like overly long?
[00:24] <LjL-Temp> i propose
[00:24] <LjL-Temp> Are you sure your question allows us to help you? Please read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html to understand how to ask a 'good' question.
[00:25] <bod_> LjL-Temp, good point,. i ike it,.and its polite,.,.yer
[00:26] <jdong> !gq
[00:26] <ubotu> Please be aware your question fails to put the point across and could easily be misunderstood. Please read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html to understand how to ask a 'good' question. Cheers!
[00:26] <bod_> ???
[00:26] <LjL-Temp> !no goodquestion is <reply> Are you sure your question allows us to help you? Please read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html to understand how to ask a 'good' question.
[00:26] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL-Temp
[00:26] <jdong> bod_: just wanted to see what it said.
[00:26] <bod_> ok,,.;~)
[00:27] <jdong> bod_: I don't have a in-brain mirror of the factoid database yet ;-)
[00:27] <LjL-Temp> jdong: losah
[00:27] <bod_> jdong, this one was my idea, added and edited in the last 30 mins or so
[00:27] <jdong> LjL-Temp: at least I'm not a temp!
[00:27] <bod_> LjL-Temp, cheers
[00:27] <bod_> haha,.,.owned
[00:27] <jdong> should !ask and such reference !gq?
[00:27] <LjL-Temp> jdong: i'm only a temp when i decide to. and i'm mobile too
[00:28] <LjL-Temp> !ask
[00:28] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[00:28] <LjL-Temp> hm it's already got a bit long
[00:28] <LjL-Temp> these is factoids that are used in-channel all the time
[00:29] <bod_> true,.!ask is frequently seen,.,. but !patience !coc !etiquette !repeat    are big hitters aswell
[00:29] <jdong> length_of_factoid(t) = init_length*sin(usage_frequency*2*pi*t+phi)
[00:30]  * jdong calls that the jdong law of factoid length
[00:30] <nickrud> LjL: I'd suggest 'better' instead of 'good' question
[00:30] <bod_> 'usefull'
[00:31] <bod_> nickrud, whats the url in your out message?
[00:31] <nickrud> bod_: just changed it to http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html
[00:32] <bod_> fair enough ;~)
[00:32] <LjL-Temp> !no goodquestion is <reply> Are you sure your question allows us to help you? Please read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html to understand how to ask a 'better' question.
[00:32] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL-Temp
[00:32] <nickrud> bod_: a 'better' link ;)
[00:32] <LjL-Temp> !betterquestion is <alias> goodquestion
[00:32] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL-Temp
[00:32] <bod_> Pirate_Hunter  in #ubuntu thought that the original   !gq was rude
[00:32] <LjL-Temp> why?
[00:33] <LjL-Temp> seemed ok to me
[00:33] <bod_> he suggested i
[00:33] <bod_> !ellaborate
[00:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ellaborate - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:33] <bod_> damn,.
[00:33] <Pici> !elaborate
[00:33] <ubotu> Please elaborate, your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information, errors, steps, and possibly configuration files (use the !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel)
[00:33] <bod_> thats the one
[00:33] <jdong> that's a bit too long too
[00:34] <LjL-Temp> rarely used
[00:34] <bod_> yer,. i find people ignore longwinded ones ,.,. mind you, they ignore all of them usually ;~)
[00:34] <LjL-Temp> more often used in PM (or at least should)
[00:34] <bod_> LjL-Temp, thats because noone can spell it
[00:34]  * jdong spawns PriceChild
 Good golly, it should read 'elabourate'
[00:35] <nickrud> Please elaborate. Give more detailed information, errors, steps, and possibly links to configuration files. See !gq for suggestions.
[00:35] <PriceChild> What'd I do now?
[00:35] <jdong> PriceChild: I talked for you.
[00:35] <jdong> you can despawn now
[00:35] <bod_> i like nickruds suggestion
[00:36] <Pici> See GQ for fashion suggestions.
[00:36] <bod_> !GQ
[00:36] <ubotu> Are you sure your question allows us to help you? Please read http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxHelpAsk.html to understand how to ask a 'better' question.
[00:36] <nickrud> I like that how to ask page, it should be referenced often :)
[00:36] <LjL-Temp> PriceChild: been annoyingly british
[00:36] <jdong> I'd replace elaborate with a less repetitive word
[00:36] <nalioth> are we not ever gonna talk to anyone directly again?
[00:36] <nickrud> !no | nalioth
[00:36] <ubotu> nalioth: Hvis du vil diskutere Ubuntu paa norsk, venligst gaa til #ubuntu-no. Takk!
[00:36] <jdong> Like "Your problem/question is too vague for us to provide advice" or something.
[00:36] <Pici> No nalioth
[00:37] <jdong> nalioth: it's the 21st century.
[00:37] <Pici> The !future !will !be !answered !in !factoids.
[00:37] <bod_> i suppose !vague would be good (instead of !elaborate)
[00:37] <nickrud> Your problem/question is too vague for us to provide useful advice. Please give more detailed information, errors, steps, and possibly links to configuration files. See !gq for suggestions.
[00:37] <bod_> Pici, i think you missed !The
[00:38] <Pici> I dont know anything about The
[00:38] <nickrud> is Pici a bot?
[00:38] <Pici> 3rd time I've been asked that in as many days.
[00:38]  * nalioth eyes Pici
[00:38] <bod_> Pici, The !future !will !be !answered !in !factoids. should be. !The !future !will !be !answered !in !factoids.
[00:39] <jdong> Pici: Type in the letters you see: "²AÇÂ≠ª¦"
[00:39]  * jdong sends his resume to Windows Live Mail
[00:39] <bod_> "²AÇÂ≠ª¦"
[00:39] <bod_> im confused
[00:39] <Pici> Thats okay, jdong has that effect.
[00:40] <jdong> see !jdong :P
[00:40]  * bod_ looks at jdong in a *scared* sort of manner
[00:40] <bod_> !jdong
 jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[00:40] <bod_> hahah
[00:41] <bod_> so jdong and ompaul have factoids,.,.who else?
[00:41] <nickrud> !nalioth
[00:41] <ubotu> Sorry, nalioth's repository is no longer available.
[00:41] <nickrud> heh. what a waste of a good factoid
[00:41] <jdong> so nalioth's a bot.
[00:41] <Amaranth> !amaranth
[00:41] <ubotu> *taptap* Is this thing on?
[00:42] <Pici> !pici
[00:42] <ubotu> pici is stuck in a factoid factory! Send help!
[00:42] <bod_> hahahahah ;~)
[00:42]  * bod_ wishes he had a factoid about himself.............................................................................................................(hint hint)..................................................................................
[00:43] <Pici> anyway
[00:43] <bod_> whats the package name for nvidia restricted driver?
[00:43] <jdong> bod_: that's a weighted question
[00:44] <jdong> inaccurate answer is nvidia-glx
[00:44] <jdong> semiaccurate answer is nvidia-glx* + linux-restricted-modules-generic
[00:44] <jdong> yay Ubuntu's terribly complicated modules system
[00:44] <bod_> jdong, someone in #ubuntu,. cant login because gdm crashes,. needs to install restricted driver for nvidia geforce 8000gt
[00:45] <jdong> bod_: if he's installed binary nvidia drivers before, there's a much more involved uninstall procedure
[00:45] <bod_> ok,. well that hurts my head so,.lets not go there,.,.;~)
[00:45] <jdong> lol yeah
[00:46] <bod_> oh i almost forgot ,.,.all hail Pici's irc stats (because im near the top!!!)
[00:53] <bod_> ok, quick question,. i go to http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi to learn the factoids,. but it doesnt tell me what they say,.,. is there a site that shows what they do, or do i have to test them all myself?
[00:54] <PriceChild> bod_, the words on the left, trigger what is in the second column
[00:54] <Pici> The left column has the trigger, the middle column has the text.
[00:54] <nalioth> ubotu: tell bod_ about msgthebot
[00:54] <bod_> PriceChild, midlle column only has a few of the command responses
[00:55] <bod_> nalioth, is it possible for me to add joke/useless factoids?
[00:55] <nalioth> bod_: nope
[00:56] <bod_> nalioth, is that part really necessary in the msgthebot factoid then?
[00:56] <PriceChild> bod_, allll the ones on the left are "alias"s... they all trigger the same thing
[00:56]  * Pici wonders if bod_ is looking at the same website the rest of us are
[00:56] <Pici> !-pastebin
[00:56] <ubotu> pastebin aliases: paste, flood, flooding, pb, pasting - added by LjL on 2006-06-24 18:47:46
[00:57] <bod_> ah, got ya,.,.didnt study the page enough,.,. feel free to tell me im stupid,.,.;~)
[00:58] <nalioth> bod_: if you try to add instructions for bestiality, it will echo in here and you will be dealt with
[00:58]  * bod_ thinks nalioth has something other than irc on his mind
[00:59] <Pici> o.O
[00:59] <bod_> nalioth, is that just for bestiality or all associated word?
[00:59] <bod_> s*
[00:59] <nalioth> bod_: we've banned folks for what they put in the bot
[00:59] <bod_> 'cant' put things in the bot?nalioth, but i thought you said i c
[01:28] <ubotu> FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[01:50] <Hobbsee> ubotu: foobar
[01:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about foobar - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:06] <Jordan_U> DeepB's quit message is a fork bomb
[02:07] <PriceChild> where?
[02:09] <Jordan_U> PriceChild, #ubuntu+1
[02:10] <PriceChild> Thankyou Jordan_U.
[02:11] <Jordan_U> PriceChild, np
[02:29] <PriceChild> Hey there DeepB.
[02:31] <DeepB> #ubuntu-ops? where is the +1 channel?
[02:31] <PriceChild> DeepB, any idea why I banforwarded you after you quit?
[02:32] <DeepB> no idea
[02:33] <nalioth> DeepB: why would you be here? think a bit
[02:34] <DeepB> i swear, no idea
[02:35] <nalioth> why would we ban you _after_ you left . . .
[02:38] <DeepB> feb 28 02:54:09 <Raspberry>	reboots X every time I try to run a Wine app that uses 3d
[02:38] <DeepB> **** FINALIZANDO CONEXIÓN EN Thu Feb 28 03:02:40 2008
[02:38] <DeepB>  tail -f #ubuntu+1
[02:38] <PriceChild> DeepB, quit message.
[02:40] <DeepB> ah, fork bomb :)
[02:40] <nalioth> ah.
[02:42] <DeepB> thanks, i have changed it :)
[02:42] <PriceChild> !guidelines | DeepB
[02:42] <PriceChild> Please read those, the ban has been lifted
[02:43] <ubotu> DeepB: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[02:56] <DeepB> PriceChild: nalioth: i have read those irc guidelines, thanks... but i do not broke the rules, tell me what i done wrong
[02:57] <nalioth> DeepB: a fork bomb is not welcome here
[02:58] <DeepB> change it, it's esay
[02:58] <DeepB> *easy
[03:32] <mneptok> DeepB: a fork bomb in a /quit message is certainly against the spirit of the CoC, if not the letter
[03:46] <DeepB> mneptok: thanks
[03:48] <mneptok> yes, dear.
[04:27] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo all
[04:27] <bodhi_zazen> One of my team members is asking me about cloaks for the beginners team
[04:27] <bodhi_zazen> is this possible ?
[04:27] <bodhi_zazen> if so, how ?
[04:28] <bodhi_zazen> thanks
[04:28] <vorian> bodhi_zazen, they need to be ubuntu members
[04:28] <bodhi_zazen> oh, that makes sense
[04:28] <vorian> and hello :)
[04:28] <bodhi_zazen> then, if they are members, the get one automatically
[04:29] <vorian> the only ubuntu cloak is the membership cloak
[04:29] <bodhi_zazen> good to see ya vorian
[04:29] <vorian> ditto :)
[04:30] <tonyyarusso> vorian: and the official bot cloak
[04:30] <vorian> oops, yes
[04:30]  * vorian should know that one
[04:31] <PriceChild> and the super special shiny one for me
[04:33] <vorian> the elementary school one?
[04:33]  * vorian hides
[04:38] <bodhi_zazen> PriceChild, you deserve you are like always on IRC
[04:39] <tonyyarusso> vorian: PriceChild<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:39] <vorian> tonyyarusso, hahah!
[04:39] <PriceChild> bodhi_zazen, I always 'appear' to be on irc
[04:49] <bodhi_zazen> PriceChild, he he he, tis true
[05:55] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: re: perl modules on DreamHost, what's stopping you from installing them yourself?  gcc is available.
[05:55]  * tonyyarusso is attempting such silliness now
[07:09] <otherss> hello i got a question regarding paypal
[07:09] <otherss> maybe somebody can give me  straight up anwser
[07:09] <otherss> say i wnt to buy somethin and the way  i want to do it is by a PAYPAL to PAYPAL direct transfer
[07:09] <Myrtti> and how does it relate to the #ubuntu irc channels?
[07:09] <otherss> noting it as a purchase of goods
[07:09] <otherss> if i get frauded
[07:10] <otherss> would i be protected
[07:10] <otherss> i know it works like that with ebay
[07:10] <Myrtti> you've been forwarded to this channel because you've got a bad ident
[07:10] <otherss> shut the fuck up
[07:10] <otherss> go away
[07:10] <Myrtti> change it and you'll be permitted to join the channels you actually tried to join
[07:10] <otherss> some degenerate
[07:10] <otherss> waiting for people to join
[07:11] <otherss> go away
[07:11] <otherss> fuckin gnat
[07:11] <Myrtti> erhm
[07:11] <otherss> the flys keep coming
[07:11] <Myrtti> that was nice
[07:12] <PriceChild> Myrtti, :/
[07:13] <Myrtti> nothing new
[13:31] <jpatrick> hmm, i=xoris
[13:31] <PriceChild> rumbled
[13:31] <Pici> I had a dream about someone being banned in #kubuntu... how depressing.
[13:32] <LjL-Temp> mirc here
[13:32] <LjL-Temp> Pici: ...
[13:32] <jpatrick> Pici: that could be arranged
[13:34] <jpatrick> arg, missed the someone there :)
[15:14]  * Pici grinds his teeth
[15:18] <_FReeZ> Hi, who decides whether a word is good or bad?
[15:18] <PriceChild> Hey there _FReeZ.
[15:18] <_FReeZ> PriceChild, hi
[15:18] <_FReeZ> What about, for example $hit
[15:18] <tritium> There are societal norms, _FReeZ.
[15:19] <_FReeZ> $hit += 2; // assign 2 to variable hit
[15:19] <_FReeZ> tritium, ok, where are these norms?
[15:20] <tritium> _FReeZ: you've been warned
[15:21] <_FReeZ> tritium, yes, that's right. I've been warned at #ubuntu, but still don't know what's so wrong with some words I enjoy to use when I don't like something. How can I say that using the non-forbidden words, when I don't know them, because nobody uses them?
[15:22] <tritium> Try using common sense, _FReeZ.
[15:22] <_FReeZ> tritium, can you please tell me how to say "Windows is piece of crap" ?
[15:22] <tritium> If you're lacking in that area, we can't help you.
[15:23] <tritium> No, I have more important things to do.  Good day.
[15:23] <_FReeZ> So don't complain, then. Thanks
[15:23] <tritium> No, you'll have to be responsible for your own actions, I'm afraid.
[15:24] <tritium> As much as that may bother you, it's a fact of life you'll learn as you mature.
[15:24] <_FReeZ> Words != actions, right?
[15:24] <tritium> using words is an action
[15:25] <_FReeZ> I know the suitable polite words in my native language only, in English I know only a few of them and they're not so good.
[15:25] <tritium> Then don't use them, since you know they're "not so good."
[15:25] <tritium> See, and you thought you needed help knowing what words not to say, but you knew all along.
[15:27] <_FReeZ> ok, I was kidding dude. It's so extremely funny to tell the people you share the anti-m$ anger with them... =)
[15:28] <_FReeZ> As far as I know *buntu is indended to use by the total newbies, I came here to laught with the others because I'm bored
[15:29] <_FReeZ> ...is intended to be used... right?
[15:29] <PriceChild> _FReeZ, trundle off please.
[15:30] <_FReeZ> PriceChild, what does it mean trundle? Is that a simile for the F-word?
[15:31] <_FReeZ> lol, it's quite like roll :-D
[15:32] <_FReeZ> THX PriceChild
[15:45] <Pici> Wow, I'm glad I missed that.
[16:05] <Gary> you do get some odd folks here
[16:24] <Pici> nalioth, Seveas: ping
[16:24] <Seveas> ?
[16:24] <Pici> Seveas: pm?
[16:24] <Seveas> k
[16:49] <nalioth> Pici: pong
[16:49] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: do you not think i tried to install them?
[16:50] <Pici> nalioth: I was wondering about getting op access in #ubuntu+1
[16:50] <nalioth> you were?
[16:50] <Pici> I am still.
[16:51] <Pici> Sev deferred me to the IRC council. You and he were the only ones around with >10 access anyway though.
[17:05] <PriceChild> k
[17:05] <Pici> k
[17:05] <PriceChild> I'm happy with it.
[17:06]  * PriceChild hits his stupid typing fingers, somehow.
[17:10] <Pici> Thanks :)
[17:35] <jpatrick> evening ompaul
[17:42] <ompaul> jpatrick, hi
[17:42]  * ompaul departs to a POTD with de lug
[17:42] <ompaul> cheers
[17:44] <Seeker`> POTD?
[17:46] <jpatrick> Photo of the Day?
[17:47] <ompaul> pint
[17:47] <nalioth> pig? prig? phlebotomist?
[17:47] <ompaul> dinner is at 6:30 I am now time challenged :)
[17:47]  * ompaul departs to a POTD with de lug
[18:18] <Gary> omg it's a tsmithe
[18:19] <Seeker`> :O
[18:29] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, __mikem said: !forget girls
[18:33] <LjL-Temp> might want to follow his own advice
[18:52] <PriceChild> xchat-gnome was fixed in hardy to use 8001 by default
[18:52] <Pici> yay
[18:52] <LjL-Temp> what about other clients
[18:53] <PriceChild> xchat was fixed a little ago
[18:54] <PriceChild> i'm 'reasonably' sure pidgin is fine
[18:54] <PriceChild> irssi is ok
[18:54] <PriceChild> i haven't checked any others
[18:54] <Pici> I'm doing an update right now, but I'll take a look in a few.
[18:54] <LjL-Temp> no one with kde installed?
[18:54] <Pici> I think I have it here...
[18:55] <LjL-Temp> could you check kopete and konversation
[18:55] <jussi01> I have it if you bear with me a few mins
[18:55] <jussi01> (got to restart)
[18:55] <Pici> update-initramfs is running here. /me waits
[18:56] <Pici> Konversation is on 8001 for irc.ubuntu.com, the default
[18:57] <Pici> Kopete still appears to be pointing towards 6667
[19:04] <LjL-Temp> hm i think i see konversation is more widely used than kopete
[19:04] <LjL-Temp> (konversation being installed by default, as opposed to xchat on ubuntu, probably helps with that)
[19:04] <Pici> Kopete didn't have a default irc server either, you had to choose 'freenode' from the list.
[19:05] <jussi01> kopete just has arcnet there as its first on the list
[19:05] <LjL-Temp> Pici: yes. isn't it the same with pidgin?
[19:05] <Pici> I don't know
[19:34] <Myrtti> would you terribly mind if I cursed a bit here in Finnish :->
[19:35] <Myrtti> "atleast you'd know which words are bad in Finnish and would know to reprimand people using them"
[19:35] <Myrtti> I'll actually take the painkillers now
[19:36] <jussi01> hehehe
[19:37] <Myrtti> today's been a bad day for my sciatica again, well I've had worse but this is also awful
[19:37] <Myrtti> bathroom light bulb went dead the day before and I don't know how to change it
[19:38]  * jussi01 thinks ouch, but still doesnt know what sciatica is
[19:38] <Myrtti> yesterday my ex promised to come and see it today but he didn't
[19:38] <Pici> I had to look it up :/
[19:38] <Myrtti> jussi01: iskias in Finnish
[19:38] <jussi01> Myrtti: is it one of the fluorescent ones?
[19:38] <Pici> People suck.
[19:38] <Myrtti> jussi01: no, just a light bulb, but the cover on it is glass and I don't know how to take it off without using excess force
[19:39]  * Pici had a busy stressfull day, but at least wasn't in physical pain
[19:39] <jussi01> Myrtti: ahhh
[19:39] <Myrtti> well actually there's two lightbulbs and the other is still fine, but it's still dark there
[19:39]  * jussi01 had a busy day, but no pain either
[19:39] <Myrtti> GODDAMMIT THE PAIN
[19:40] <Myrtti> ok, just sit and wait for the medication to kick in
[19:40] <jussi01> Myrtti: its probably the same or similar as we have here
[19:41] <Myrtti> VISAHEPAPEJU
[19:41] <Myrtti> grrr
[19:41] <Pici> :(
[19:41] <Myrtti> /me gnarls
[19:41]  * jussi01 waits for p**** v**** and the rest....
[19:43] <Myrtti> I just lost the feeling on my foot.
[19:43] <Myrtti> jolly nice
[19:44] <Pici> Maybe a pinched nerve?
[19:44] <Pici> I'm hoping
[19:44] <Myrtti> Pici: that's basically what sciatica *IS*
[19:44] <Pici> Myrtti: Well, yes. I but I mean to the point where nothing gets through.
[19:44]  * jussi01 hugs Myrtti
[19:44] <Myrtti> yup
[19:57] <jussi01> !langpack
[19:57] <ubotu> A recent update broke some KDE language packs, leaving the user unable to login. (http://launchpad.net/bugs/195647) This has now been fixed and an updated package is in the -updates repo.
[19:57] <jussi01> comments?
[19:58] <Pici> jussi01: May want to include the package names for the people who removed them.
[19:58] <Pici> Unless they're being pulled in again.
[19:58] <jussi01> Pici: sure
[20:01] <jussi01> !langpack
[20:01] <ubotu> A recent update broke some KDE language packs, leaving the user unable to login. (http://launchpad.net/bugs/195647) This has now been fixed and an updated package is in the -updates repo. If you removed the packages with the interim fix you can reinstall them with: << sudo apt-get install language-pack-kde-en language-pack-kde-en-base >>
[20:02] <Pici> I like it.
[20:02] <jussi01> great :)
[20:19] <jussi01> what is the policy on sysinfo scripts? ok in -offtopic ?
[20:19] <LjL-Temp> hm?
[20:20] <jussi01> os[Linux 2.6.11-xenU - Debian lenny/sid] up[ 92 days, 7 hours, 46 minutes] cpu[Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU            3050  @ 2.13GHz, 2133.472 MHz (4613.73 bogomips)] mem[ 441.34/503.93 MB (87.6%)] video[ at  ( bits)]
[20:20] <jussi01> I know they arent appreciated in support channels
[20:20] <jussi01> but I assume its ok in -offtopic?
[20:21] <jussi01> well I know they arent appreciated in #ubuntuforums anyway
[20:22] <LjL-Temp> ah
[20:22] <LjL-Temp> hm i guess if it isn't just gratuituous
[20:23] <jussi01> sure, just people wanting to swap sysinfo scrits - general chat type stuff
[20:23] <nalioth> swapping scripts is one thing, spamming your info is another
[20:24] <jussi01> yeah, thats how I thought of it.
[20:31] <Seeker`> there should be a period (like an hour or so) where certain words are banned, and anyone using these words will be kicked, just to keep people on their toes
[20:33] <Gary> Seeker`: and for the word of the hour to not be published \o/
[20:33] <Gary> and sometimes the word "a" to be chosen
[20:33] <Seeker`> Gary: something like that
[20:33] <jussi01> ehehheheh
[20:33] <Seeker`> Gary: But with a few words, so it is difficult to work out
[20:34] <Gary> I thought we did that anyways in -ot?
[20:34] <Gary> random kickings that is
[20:34] <Seeker`> I thought that happened anywhere you were Gary
[20:34] <LjL-Temp> Gary: not random kickings based on a programme of banning specific words
[20:36] <Gary> LjL-Temp: thats just a technicallity
[20:36] <nalioth> random kicking?
[20:36] <LjL-Temp> nalioth: no, never
[20:36] <Gary> s/banning specific words/picking on the victim of the day
[20:37] <LjL-Temp> Gary: which happens to be the same for several consecutive days
[20:37] <Gary> normally mc44
[20:37] <LjL-Temp> yes, normally him
[20:38] <LjL-Temp> but no
[20:38] <LjL-Temp> we were talking about random kickings
[20:38] <LjL-Temp> mc44 deserves them
[20:38] <Gary> no, doing things like that would be cruel and evil, and that never happens
[20:38] <LjL-Temp> of course
[21:35] <ompaul> sysinfo there is no policy
[22:48] <jussi01> ompaul: except for in #ubuntuforums :P
[22:51] <ubotu> In ubotu, gshie said: who is stdin?
[22:52] <stdin> ...
[22:52] <jussi01> hehe
[22:52] <ompaul>  /msg ubotu stdin is the standard input so you can't see
[22:53] <ompaul>  /msg ubotu stdin is the standard input so you can't see you may only infer
[22:53] <jussi01> hehe
[22:53] <ompaul> stdin, will I tell gshie this fact?
[22:53] <ompaul> via the bot?
[22:54] <stdin> he only asked "who is stdin?" because I did !bot > gshie
[22:56] <ompaul> DrDerek, you don't abuse others
[22:56] <DrDerek> I didn't know you were an op. I was only having fun.
[22:56] <ompaul> it does not matter what I am
[22:56] <ompaul> you abused others
[22:56] <ompaul> using stfu is ooo
[22:56] <DrDerek> ooo?
[22:56] <ompaul> out of order
[22:59] <ompaul> DrDerek, me being an op is just the wrong reason to behave
[22:59] <ompaul> you should do it cos you are in company and you don't know the people there
[22:59] <DrDerek> aye, I wasn't thinking much of it.
[23:00] <DrDerek> I dunno, I figured most of us were in good spirits, so didn't think it'd been too much of an ordeal.
[23:00] <ompaul> well ubuntu channels can be enjoyed without going out of your way to annoy others
[23:00] <DrDerek> I wasn't aiming to annoy -
[23:00] <ompaul> !guidelines
[23:00] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[23:00] <ompaul> tell you what - read those
[23:00] <ompaul> I'll lift the ban in 10
[23:00] <DrDerek> all right, thank you.
[23:01] <ompaul> so that will give you something to think about
[23:01] <DrDerek> aye.
[23:01]  * ompaul goes to find something to do for 10 mins
[23:01] <ompaul> ssh -C work :-/
[23:01] <DrDerek> what's -C do
[23:01] <jdong> compress
[23:01] <ompaul> read the page
[23:02] <DrDerek> I am.
[23:02] <jdong> it's really great for when you feel ssh updating every keystroke is boring or helps you type too well
[23:02] <jdong> cough.
[23:02] <Seeker`> sneeze?
[23:02] <jussi01> hello jdong...
[23:03] <jdong> hello jussi01 :)
[23:04] <ompaul> jdong, ever run a box on a live usb stick - shut down the kdm/gdm and then do something mad like on that box X :0 -query someOtherBox?
[23:04] <jdong> I'm not crazy enough to trust my subnet and run XDMCP, but... go ahead?
[23:04] <ompaul> jdong, hehe - I have to I run the subnet
[23:07] <jdong> ompaul: hehe. Since my subnet is <IP_ADDRESS>/16 (i.e. public).... I tend not to trust it much :D
[23:08] <ompaul> jdong, actually that raises the obvious how could I do xdmcp over ssh
[23:08] <ompaul> jdong, /me will now insult two good books back soon
[23:08] <jdong> hmm interesting.
[23:09] <jdong> XDMCP is a UDP protocol right?
[23:09] <jdong> I'm guessing your answer will lie in either some weird socks/tccat hack, or with (more enticingly) openssh tun VPNs
[23:09] <ompaul> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/XDMCP-HOWTO/
[23:10] <ompaul> hmm
[23:10] <ompaul> the latter would be strange on the server side
[23:10] <ompaul> i.e. it would require huge overhead on a server serving 40 people
[23:10] <ompaul> but xdmcp is low for values of it
[23:11] <jdong> yeah SSH is definitely very very mean to a server
[23:12]  * ompaul wonders about doing something clever like "desktop/server running some strange stuff .. router/ssh box --static route to desktop -- nasty big box
[23:12] <ompaul> where nasty big box supplies the 40 or so desktops for that building
[23:13] <ompaul> jdong, I already do some very very strange stuff on openvpn
[23:13] <jdong> :)
[23:14] <ompaul> jdong, I think that is the only sensible way - get the SSH tackled by a cheap router but with a stack of ram and PROC if needs be get another one
[23:16] <ompaul> DrDerek, that ban is lifted - please note the guidelines
[23:16] <ompaul> DrDerek, is there anything else?
[23:17] <jdong> ompaul: mmm interesting, one of those hardware encryption chips... or I've heard AMD64 OpenSSH is significantly more tuned too
[23:18] <ompaul> jdong, noted
[23:18] <jdong> also, have you considered NX compression? Its benefits in terms of bandwidth/response are significant, though not everyone is that confident about its codebase
[23:19] <ompaul> jdong, well I have seen it work but it does cost per seat
[23:19] <jdong> no no, almost all of it is GPL'd
[23:20] <jdong> you can easily build from the GPL'd components, with or without FreeNX
[23:28] <ompaul> !search troll
[23:28] <ubotu> Found: troll*, don't feed the troll, nl-troll, feeding the troll, nl-troll in een internetomgeving, feedthetroll, atroll, a troll*
[23:29] <ompaul> atroll
[23:29] <ompaul> !atroll
[23:29] <ubotu> trolling / trollish behaviour is behaviour that is considered annoying by other channel users, this includes going offtopic, asking the same question time and again getting answered and not acknowledging the answer, and these are not the only ways behaviour can be considered trolling, please see /msg ubotu guidelines - if this applies to you, you may find yourself outside the channel
[23:29]  * nickrud sulks
[23:29] <ompaul> Seeker`, you could remember that ;-)
[23:29] <Seeker`> hmm
[23:31] <ompaul> Seeker`, you could fire it into the channe;
[23:31] <ompaul> in question
[23:31] <ompaul> far be it from me to do anything other than advise ;-)
[23:31] <Seeker`> I think I'll leave it for now, see what he does
[23:31] <Gary> whats up?
[23:31] <Seeker`> Gary: Darkmystere lolling a bit too much
[23:32] <Gary> lollercoaster
[23:32]  * Gary hides
[23:32] <Gary> in -uk?
[23:32] <ompaul> Gary, yeap that would be about the strength of it - yes
[23:34] <Gary> a soft ignore works for me in that situation Seeker`
[23:34] <mneptok> oh, i got your "soft ignore" *right here*, baby
[23:34]  * mneptok bats his eylashes
[23:34] <nickrud> !language | mneptok
[23:34] <ubotu> mneptok: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[23:34] <Seeker`> I tend not to ignore people
[23:35] <Seeker`> Gary: So i can see if they do something really silly
[23:35] <Gary> Seeker`: not /ignore
[23:35] <ompaul> !mneptok | mneptok
[23:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mneptok - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:35] <mneptok> ubotu: you and me both
[23:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about you and me both - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:35] <Gary> soft ignore, ie just ignore his rabblings, like we do with mneptok
[23:36] <Gary> oh hi mneptok
[23:36] <Seeker`> Gary: and ompaul? :P
[23:36] <nickrud> hi jack
[23:36] <ompaul> @lart mneptok
[23:36] <mneptok> !jazzpants ompaul
[23:37] <Gary> !pity 10 mneptok
[23:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pity 10 mneptok - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:37] <mneptok> !iloveyou
[23:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about iloveyou - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:39] <mneptok> ubotu iloveyou is <reply>was it good for \you? - http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1310/909342308_325d9c384e.jpg
[23:39] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, mneptok said: ubotu iloveyou is <reply>was it good for \you? - http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1310/909342308_325d9c384e.jpg
[23:39] <mneptok> %login
[23:40] <mneptok> %btlogin
[23:40] <mneptok> gtrkjh ewrnbwt ebi
[23:46] <Gary> ompaul: added to #ubuntu-uk access list
[23:46] <ompaul> Gary, ack
[23:46] <Gary> ack = eeek ?
[23:47] <ompaul> no
[23:47] <Gary> oh ack = woo hoo
[23:47] <ompaul> syn, broadcast, ack, acknowledge
[23:47] <Gary> lol
[23:47] <ompaul> synack - dinner :)
[23:48] <Gary> mneptok: were you really going to add that!
[23:48] <mneptok> Gary: i'm not that drunk yet
[23:49] <Gary> awww
[23:49] <mneptok> you could probably talk me into it in a few hours
[23:49] <mneptok> well, if we can login
[23:51] <Seeker`> is there a difference between @btlogin and %btlogin