[00:00] <duffydack> Strange no one else has had this problem.
[00:01] <duffydack> Ive not done anything special.. Just using U1 on lucid, and setup Maverick dualboot and tried to use it there, thats all.
[00:01] <joshuahoover> duffydack: right, the problem on maverick is likely due to the way we're not handling someone having no keyring password setup...i'm trying to test that now
[00:02] <duffydack> I`m in the minority there?  oh.ok
[00:03] <joshuahoover> duffydack: it's hard to say...there are those that elect to have no password (login or keyring) but, like i said before, it's generally not recommended...but it's allowed and u1 should handle it
[00:15] <kirillofic> ïðèâåò
[00:15] <kirillofic> hello
[00:15] <kirillofic> i need help
[00:16] <popey> hello kirillofic
[00:17] <kirillofic> i`m installed Ubantu
[00:17] <popey> Great!
[00:17] <popey> Having a problem?
[00:19] <kirillofic> I established system and in an installation time casually haven't set login and the password for an input
[00:20] <popey> ok, and you would like to set a password now?
[00:20] <kirillofic> And now I can't enter into system because neither it doesn't accept login nor the password - I haven't set it
[00:21] <kirillofic> yes, you right
[00:21] <popey> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/reset-your-forgotten-ubuntu-password-in-2-minutes-or-less/
[00:22] <popey> that page may help you
[00:22] <kirillofic> oh! thank you! a am from Moscow)))
[00:22] <popey> Greetings from London :)
[00:22] <duffydack> from russia with love
[00:23]  * popey hides his walther ppk
[00:23] <kirillofic> from Moscow with love)))))
[00:24] <kirillofic> London - a remarkable city
[00:26] <kirillofic> This page - not absolutely what approaches me as I don't have login - as to me to enter?
[00:29] <duanedesign> kirillofic: can you get to the GRUB screen?
[00:45] <cullan> Hi everyone. Is there a backup stored on my computer of the files that were synced with U1? I somehow have an old version of a cpp file and my git repo is missing all the commits after that point also.
[00:48] <cullan> I had the folder in ~/Ubuntu One/. I have since moved it elsewhere after discovering the data loss.
[00:51] <popey> cullan: can you see the files at http://one.ubuntu.com/files/ ?
[00:52] <cullan> I downloaded the file from there but it is also the old one. I had been working on the file on my laptop and got it ready to turn in. It appears to have been overritten with the old version from my desktop computer.
[00:52] <popey> thats unfortunate
[00:53] <popey> i dont know if there's something that can be done. I dont believe that U1 holds revisions of files
[00:54] <cullan> Damn. Well, thanks anyway
[00:55] <popey> however..
[00:55] <popey> i dont work on u1, so to get the official answer you should ask someone who does
[00:55] <popey> I'm just some guy who uses it
[00:55] <popey> I would file a bug against it
[00:55] <popey> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone/+filebug
[00:56] <popey> there
[00:56] <cullan> I'll keep this channel open but my main concern now has to be starting over and attempting to finish it again by midnight. Thanks again
[05:14] <kklimonda> heh, so I've tried using couchdb-glib with reduced views and all hell broke loose ;)
[11:57] <duanedesign> good morning
[11:59] <mkarnicki> morning all :)
[14:51] <snap-l> Noting that my bookmarks aren't syncing for Ubuntu One
[14:51] <snap-l> Is there something special I need to do outside of installing bindwood on the machines?
[14:55] <snap-l> Ah, n/m, I didn't see the status that it's still borked.
[14:55] <snap-l> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Status#Bookmarks
[14:55] <snap-l> Thanks!
[15:06] <CardinalFang> mkarnicki, hi!  I'm puzzling over a line in ubuntuone-android-contacts.
[15:06] <mkarnicki> CardinalFang: hi! how can I help?
[15:07] <CardinalFang> src/com/ubuntuone/android/contacts/funambol/activities/settings/AndroidAccountView.java
[15:07]  * mkarnicki looks it up
[15:07] <CardinalFang> saveCredential, about line 257 or so.
[15:07] <mkarnicki> got it
[15:07] <mkarnicki> ok
[15:08] <mkarnicki> public void saveCredential(SaveSettingsCallback callback) {
[15:08] <CardinalFang> if(hasChanges() || !validCredential) { ...
[15:08] <mkarnicki> ok, gimme sec
[15:08] <CardinalFang> "!validCredential"?  What is that checking?
[15:09] <CardinalFang> Maybe I'm just reading it wrong.
[15:10] <mkarnicki> that flag is set to false if checkFailes, let me look at that
[15:10] <mkarnicki> *checkCredential fails
[15:11] <mkarnicki> CardinalFang: hmm.. be aware that we use a custom settings screen, with no user/pass fields, just a single button
[15:11] <mkarnicki> CardinalFang: and it's possible that some methods do not apply to us (that is, affect the UI)
[15:11] <mkarnicki> gimme 1", I'm on it
[15:12]  * mkarnicki resets his password and checks behaviour
[15:14] <mkarnicki> ah, got it
[15:14] <CardinalFang> mkarnicki, Yes, I see.  The configuration code hates that, which is what I'm aiming to fix right now.
[15:14] <mkarnicki> CardinalFang: if hasChanges() is true (which is true, when user/pass fields where editted [we don't use them])
[15:14] <mkarnicki> or the checkCredentials has failed, and validCredentials is then == false
[15:15] <mkarnicki> it tries to save (possibly new) credentials from the form and check them again
[15:15] <mkarnicki> iirc, after 2nd try funambol reports as invalid credentials
[15:16] <CardinalFang> mkarnicki, okay.  Thank you.
[15:16] <mkarnicki> I don't really get that second, empty run() { } thread body.. funambol likes to "think big"
[15:16] <mkarnicki> CardinalFang: you are welcome. I don't feel I helped enough. What can I do else?
[15:16] <CardinalFang> Yeah, if the user answered "no" to the question in arg 0, then don't do anything.  Meh!
[15:16]  * mkarnicki jumps into the code again
[15:17] <mkarnicki> oh o_O heh..
[15:18] <CardinalFang> mkarnicki, I'm just learning about the code, in trying to see how the pieces fit together.  There's a bug I'm trying to fix that is leading me around it.
[15:18] <mkarnicki> CardinalFang: is it a problem with invalid token? was it reported on lp ?
[15:21] <mkarnicki> CardinalFang: oh crap, for the first time in U1-contacts I saw a toast "Generic error" after "Setting up your account" dialog
[15:22] <mkarnicki> CardinalFang: Funambol client is pretty huge, when I tried to grasp that codebase helping out sil, it indeed proved to be a challenge
[15:22] <mkarnicki> oh crap, 'Generic error' -- I can't re-authenticate. I assume that's the bug?
[15:23] <CardinalFang> mkarnicki, er, nope, not the one I'm after.  :(
[15:23] <mkarnicki> o-oh
[15:23] <mkarnicki> I'll reinstall and try that steps again. CardinalFang -- which bug are you after, if I may ask?
[15:32] <CardinalFang> mkarnicki, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-android-contacts/+bug/629544
[15:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 629544 in ubuntuone-android-contacts "saving configs requires nonOAuth username/password (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Critical,Confirmed]
[15:32] <mkarnicki> oh :/
[15:32] <CardinalFang> mkarnicki, may be related to  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-android-contacts/+bug/633536
[15:32] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 633536 in ubuntuone-android-contacts "If app data cleared, no U1 auth triggered. Instead, "Please enter username..." (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Confirmed]
[15:33]  * mkarnicki has a look
[15:33] <CardinalFang> mkarnicki, if you wish to work on one, take the latter, #633536 .
[15:36] <mkarnicki> CardinalFang: app behaves badly if Phone pass reset during operation in the webUI. I'll have to look at that later, too.
[15:37] <mkarnicki> aquarius: where do we save the oauth token in u1-contacts?
[15:39]  * mkarnicki doesn't remember that detail
[15:40] <aquarius> mkarnicki, we don't save the oauth token
[15:41] <aquarius> we get a special mobile username/password and save that in AccountManager
[15:41] <mkarnicki> oh.. we save the credentials? oh right!
[15:41] <mkarnicki> so yes, I can take care of bug 633536
[15:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 633536 in ubuntuone-android-contacts "If app data cleared, no U1 auth triggered. Instead, "Please enter username..." (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633536
[15:42] <mkarnicki> aquarius: looks like I really wanted to forget the funambol nightmare hahahhah
[15:42] <mkarnicki> it's been so recently, and I forgot about the AccountManager used by u1-contacts meh
[15:44]  * mkarnicki just installed maverick on his pendrive
[15:52] <aquarius> nice!
[15:52]  * mkarnicki installs u1-contacts on emulator
[16:15] <kklimonda> oh, joys of wrapping couchdb in C.. /me goes for a walk..
[16:20] <mkarnicki> aquarius: I noticed that initial sync (just after oauth login) isn't reflected in the GUI (no spinner, no animation on the textured bar, Sync all button still sensitive). Have you seen such bug reported?
[16:21] <mkarnicki> tapping Sync all pops 'Sync operation is in progress' though Contacts bar says 'Not synchronized' with no animation (and no spinner in the title bar)
[16:21] <aquarius> mkarnicki, I haven't
[16:21] <aquarius> doesn't seem to happen to me
[16:21] <mkarnicki> I see
[16:21] <mkarnicki> aquarius: so after initial login, you see it animate stuff and do initial-sync?
[16:27] <aquarius> no. It doesn't sync until I tell it to
[16:33] <mkarnicki> aquarius: each time i OAuth, and click the OK button ("Setting up your account"), and then click "Sync all" I always get the 'Sync operation in progress' toast, and no animations. that seems to be a new bug then..
[16:35] <aquarius> weird!
[16:35] <mkarnicki> CardinalFang: I'm sorry, but I can't replicate bug 633536 - neither on HTC Hero, neither on the emulator
[16:35] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 633536 in ubuntuone-android-contacts "If app data cleared, no U1 auth triggered. Instead, "Please enter username..." (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633536
[16:36] <CardinalFang> mkarnicki, Huh!
[16:36] <mkarnicki> aquarius: indeed.. it looks like it starts the sync right away. it'd be nice to have someone with 2.1 test that
[16:36] <mkarnicki> aquarius: should I file a bug report?
[16:36] <mkarnicki> CardinalFang: my Hero is 2.1, the emulator is 2.2 (good guess aquarius ? the default emulator from the readme)
[16:52] <mkarnicki> CardinalFang: pardon me, the emulator is 2.0. so I couldn't replicate that under 2.0 and 2.1
[16:52] <mkarnicki> CardinalFang: perhaps it's the case on 2.2
[16:52] <CardinalFang> Hrm.
[17:25] <CardinalFang> mkarnicki, I lost my battle with Eclipse, so now I will compare 2.0 and 2.2 very soon.
[18:02] <andyrogers> hi all, would someone be able to possibly help me with a minor issue iam having with ubuntuone latest version's since my upgrade to maverick...
[18:03] <andyrogers> basically everytime i log into ubuntu i need to issue the command u1sdtool -c for my computer to connect to the U1 servers for it to start sync any of my files
[18:04] <popey> honk!
[18:05] <andyrogers> honk
[18:05] <rye_> andyrogers, popey, hi
[18:05] <popey> :)
[18:05] <andyrogers> hi rye, popey
[18:05] <rye_> andyrogers, the issue in question is bug #631822
[18:06] <popey> andyrogers: rye_ is an expert here
[18:06] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 631822 in ubuntuone-client (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 2 other projects) "[maverick] ubuntuone-launch is not compatible with SSO tokens (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 20)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/631822
[18:06] <rye_> Chipaca, when is the next planned release for ubuntuone-client with the fix for ^ ?
[18:07] <Chipaca> rye_: tuesday
[18:08] <andyrogers> thanks rye_ i looked about a week ago and could not find anything similar.  I had been having this issue for approx 3-4 weeks since my upgrade but been waiting on the nighligities to see if had improved the situation
[18:08] <Chipaca> rye_: you might be able to goad dobey to build a package before that if you need it :)
[18:08] <Chipaca> ah! should be in the nightlies already
[18:08]  * Chipaca checks
[18:09] <andyrogers> it is is i have already upgraded to the latest version about 1 hour and still experience the same issues
[18:09] <Chipaca> andyrogers: that on login you aren't connected?
[18:09] <andyrogers> ive got no prolems with the SSO client any more, and getting sync erros since the server side of things were fixed earlier this week
[18:10] <andyrogers> yup, basically when I log into ubuntu ubuntuone does it local rescan etc and then just sits with this message in the log : State: 'READY'  (queues IDLE  connection 'Not User With Network')>; queues: metadata: 0; content: 0; hash: 0, fsm-cache: hit=9274 miss=26038) ----
[18:11] <andyrogers> until I issue u1sdtool -c to force a server connection
[18:11] <Chipaca> andyrogers: do you have Ubuntu One enabled in startup applications?
[18:11] <andyrogers> it did use to do this all automatically before I upgraded
[18:11] <Chipaca> andyrogers: grep ready /usr/bin/ubuntuone-launch
[18:12] <Chipaca> ^ if that doesn't find stuff, it isn't in the nightlies yet
[18:12] <Chipaca> andyrogers: we had some issues with launchpad yesterday so maybe that merge got delayed
[18:13] <andyrogers> rout of message:
[18:13] <andyrogers>  * otherwise if syncdaemon is not already running it is started, and
[18:13] <andyrogers> def wait_for_ready(_, sync_daemon_tool):
[18:13] <andyrogers>                 d.addCallback(wait_for_ready, sync_daemon_tool)
[18:13] <andyrogers>             # SD is already running
[18:13] <andyrogers> rout=output
[18:16] <Chipaca> andyrogers: ok, so it should be working
[18:16] <Chipaca> andyrogers: is Ubuntu One enabled in startup applications?
[18:17] <Chipaca> andyrogers: if so, then what *should* happen is that, *30 seconds after you log in*, syncdaemon is started and connected after local rescan is done
[18:17] <Chipaca> andyrogers: there's a separate issue where syncdaemon is started early, so it should just connect at the 30 seconds mark
[18:17] <Chipaca> andyrogers: the 30 seconds is controlled by the .desktop file in startup apps
[18:17] <Chipaca> /etc/xdg/autostart/ubuntuone-launch.desktop
[18:18] <Chipaca> andyrogers: or ~/.config/autostart/ubuntuone-launch.desktop  if you've twiddled with it
[18:18] <andyrogers> chipaca: contents of my file:
[18:18] <andyrogers> [Desktop Entry]
[18:18] <andyrogers> Name=Ubuntu One
[18:18] <andyrogers> Exec=/bin/sh -c '[ -d "$HOME/Ubuntu One" ] && ubuntuone-launch'
[18:18] <andyrogers> Type=Application
[18:18] <andyrogers> X-GNOME-Autostart-Delay=30
[18:18] <andyrogers> Icon=ubuntuone
[18:18] <andyrogers> Comment=
[18:18] <andyrogers> X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=ubuntuone-client
[18:19] <andyrogers> chipaca: would you say I should increase this Delay then possibly?
[18:19] <andyrogers> chipaca: no file at ~/.config/autostart/ubuntuone-launch.desktop
[18:19] <Chipaca> andyrogers: I don't think that would help, no
[18:20] <Chipaca> andyrogers: unless your local rescan is taking really long
[18:20] <Chipaca> andyrogers: but that's not your case as per your description
[18:20] <Chipaca> andyrogers: so maybe you're just impatient? :)
[18:20] <andyrogers> i do have approx 8000 files
[18:20] <Chipaca> when you check syncdaemon and it is "READY", how long has passed since startup?
[18:21] <andyrogers> chipaca: i have left it between 5-10 mins, and also 60 mins and the same message just keeps appearing in my logs every 2 mins
[18:23] <andyrogers> it looks like 4 mins from the creation of the syncdaemon file to the actual "READY" message
[18:23] <rye_> andyrogers, could you please run find ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/fsm -type d -empty  - just to find out how many unnecessary folders are there
[18:23] <rye_> andyrogers, wait
[18:23] <Chipaca> andyrogers: you want to try commenting out the X-GNOME-Autostart-Delay and seeing how that helps?
[18:23] <rye_> andyrogers,  find ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/fsm -type d -empty | wc -l
[18:23] <Chipaca> andyrogers: either that, or change it to 240 or more :-/
[18:24] <Chipaca> andyrogers: this should be fixed when nautilus stops starting syncdaemon itself; then we'd just do the right thing
[18:24] <Chipaca> andyrogers: (will be fixed on trunk tue or wed next week, packages after that)
[18:25] <andyrogers> 460 reply I got from the find command
[18:25] <rye_> andyrogers, ok, thanks
[18:25] <andyrogers> so should I comment out that line, or be patient for a few more days?
[18:26] <Chipaca> andyrogers: your call :)
[18:26] <rye_> hm, i tested ubuntuone-launch and it appeared to be quite working... /me needs moar files.
[18:26] <Chipaca> rye_: you've got the fixed nautilus, don't you?
[18:26] <Chipaca> rye_: the one with rodrigo's fix that almost but not quite worked? :)
[18:27] <rye_> Chipaca, well, yes, i tried using that and it does not look like it triggered syncdaemon on startup
[18:27] <Chipaca> rye_: right. So that's why your launcher works :)
[18:28] <andyrogers> right ill comment out that line, reboot & see what happens and report back in a few mins
[18:28] <Chipaca> andyrogers: you rock
[18:28] <andyrogers> cheers chipaca
[18:28] <andyrogers> brb
[18:33] <andyrogers> chipaca: bad news, that alteration did not work
[18:33] <Chipaca> bummer
[18:34] <rye_> andyrogers, wait, could you please run ubuntuone-launch now in the terminal ?
[18:34] <Chipaca> rye_: once syncdaemon is in READY you mean?
[18:34] <Chipaca> that's a few minutes more i figure :)
[18:34] <rye_> Chipaca, well, it should not be in READY for launch to work, right?
[18:34] <rye_> i am wondering whether it times-out somewhere where i failed to test
[18:36] <andyrogers> this is the message where I spotted it had not connected:2010-09-10 18:34:14,291 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.Main - NOTE - ---- MARK (state: <State: 'READY'  (queues IDLE  connection 'Not User With Network')>;
[18:36] <andyrogers> queues: metadata: 0; content: 0; hash: 0, fsm-cache: hit=9274 miss=26038) ----
[18:36] <andyrogers> i ran ubuntuone-launch and it connected ok then
[18:37] <Chipaca> rye_: local rescan pretty much blocks dbus messages from getting in
[18:38] <Chipaca> rye_: that is the core issue here
[18:38] <Chipaca> rye_: we work around that
[18:38] <rye_> Chipaca, local rescan does not have dbus server at all
[18:39] <rye_> Chipaca, it is initialized later on after local rescan is finished
[18:39] <Chipaca> rye_: haw haw, ok, hadn't realized that
[18:40] <Chipaca> rye_: so, we work around that :)
[18:40] <Chipaca> andyrogers: so, it should just work if you change the delay to something ridiculously huge
[18:40] <Chipaca> andyrogers: but we're working on not starting syncdaemon at all except via launch, so then that goes away too
[18:41] <Chipaca> andyrogers: I mean, that bug goes away, and launch at 30s works
[18:41] <andyrogers> thats good news then :) , will it make it into maverick final?
[18:42] <rye_> hm, my client stucks at SET_CAPABILITIES
[18:43] <andyrogers> chipaca, im just going to do another reboot and see how it goes.  will an increase time of 360 be ok?
[18:43] <Chipaca> andyrogers: yes, that'll be in final
[18:44] <Chipaca> andyrogers: depends on how long your syncdaemon takes to get to ready
[18:44] <Chipaca> andyrogers: 6 minutes is a long time, but some poor souls have to wait 45 :(
[18:50] <andyrogers> chipaca: right ive rebooted & its just done the same again, but it did not seem to delay the start either
[18:50] <Chipaca> andyrogers: you set it to 360?
[18:50] <Chipaca> andyrogers: and you've already been booted for 6 minutes?
[18:50] <andyrogers> no, its been less then this
[18:51] <andyrogers> so should it auto connect after 6 mins?
[18:51] <andyrogers> i thought it would delay the local rescan
[18:52] <andyrogers> im still learning the inns & outs of Ubuntuone still
[18:52] <andyrogers> chpiaca: but good news it that is has connected now
[18:52] <Chipaca> andyrogers: this would delay the connect
[18:52] <Chipaca> andyrogers: without the *other* bug, that nautilus starts syncdaemon, then it would start, do the local rescan, and connect, all starting after that delay
[18:53] <andyrogers> chipaca: so will this nautilus bug be fixed in the next few days then?
[18:54] <Chipaca> andyrogers: yes
[18:54] <andyrogers> chipaca: is there a bug report number you can point me to?
[18:54] <Chipaca> andyrogers: probably, give me a sec
[18:54] <andyrogers> chipaca: will i need to change this calue back once the bug has been fixed, or can I forget about it now
[18:54] <Chipaca> andyrogers: you'll probably want to change it back
[18:54] <andyrogers> calue=value
[18:54] <rye_> the merge proposal is here - https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntuone-client/fix-613219/+merge/34967
[19:00] <andyrogers> chipaca: thankyou very much for your help
[19:00] <Chipaca> andyrogers: thank you for using ubuntu one! :)
[19:06] <dobey> hey look
[19:06] <dobey> a diff!
[19:31] <roland> hello alll
[19:31] <roland> I have 2 UbuntuOne account, how can I remove one of them?!
[21:38] <Andre_Gondim> is it possible running ubuntu one in ubuntu server withou interface? like dropbox?
[21:52] <nessita> Andre_Gondim: yes, you can use the CLI tool names u1sdtool
[21:53] <nessita> Andre_Gondim: though the first time you'll need credentials.... I think you can get those by CLI as well, but rye is the guru on this
[21:54] <Andre_Gondim> nessita, may I get the credentials from other pc? cause in this I have one, but in the server I don't
[22:01] <rye> Andre_Gondim, i accomplished that by patching the source of ubuntuone-client so that it reads oauth tokens from the config file and does not have runtime dependency on gnome-keyring
[22:02] <verterok> rye: I think there is no more a dep on gnome-keyring, but I might be wrong...nessita would know
[22:06] <rye> nessita, i see that in syncdaemon/dbus_interface.py there is self.oauth_credentials but don't see the setter for that
[22:08] <rye> nessita, please ignore me i cannot read
[22:09] <rye> Andre_Gondim, i believe I will come up with a blog post describing ubuntuone usage on the server during this weekend
[22:09] <duffydack> how is https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/634465 coming on,.
[22:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 634465 in ubuntu-sso-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Required argument 'password' (pos 2) not found (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged]
[22:09] <Andre_Gondim> nice, I will waiting for this
[22:10] <rye> duffydack, question - are you able to reproduce this? I've switched many locales, changed vms but could not have reproduced that
[22:12] <duffydack> I`ll try it in a vm I guess.
[22:22] <duffydack> so.. I just tried something.
[22:22] <duffydack> in seahorse I made a new keyring called login
[22:22] <nessita> duffydack: the branch has just landed trunk
[22:22] <duffydack> gave it a password (not sure if no pass would work) and it works
[22:22] <nessita> duffydack: do you wanna try from the source?
[22:23] <rye> nessita, ah, so bug #634465 is due to keyring?
[22:23] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 634465 in ubuntu-sso-client (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Required argument 'password' (pos 2) not found (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/634465
[22:24] <nessita> rye: not really, is due to ussoc not passing all the params to gnomekerying.create_sync
[22:24] <duffydack> it was discussed that I had no 'login' keyring
[22:24] <duffydack> So I made one
[22:25] <duffydack> its doing sync now....
[22:25] <duffydack> there is a key called ubuntu one in there now
[22:26] <duffydack> Wether its down to me not using a password when first being asked by seahorse for it not making the key, I dunno.
[22:44] <rye> btw, why hasn't Ubuntu One entry in startup applications got any description?
[23:10] <duffydack> installing maverick beta to a vm, with autologin.
[23:13] <Andre_Gondim> where are the ubuntu one client icon in maverick?
[23:16] <duffydack> /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps
[23:17] <duffydack> or do you mean,  System>Prefs>
[23:20] <Andre_Gondim> since last update, I don't have ubuntu client in system>prefs..
[23:21] <duffydack> well to launch it, ubuntuone-preferences
[23:22] <duffydack> rye, or anyone else.. are you there
[23:23] <duffydack> the size of my added computers list since I got U1 working in maverick has grown, a LOT
[23:37] <duffydack> Right, fully updated clean install of maverick.. here goes.
[23:38] <duffydack> seahorse asked for my password for keyring (I didnt set one, so its auto set to login pass obviously) so I unlocked it and it works


[15:01] <dholbach> hiya
[15:02] <dholbach> could somebody put up  a quick post on the fridge linking to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-community-team/2015-June/000646.html?
[15:08] <jose> dholbach: I can do a cross-post if that's ok.
[15:10] <dholbach> cross-post?
[15:22] <jose> dholbach: for mailing list posts, what we do is re-post the whole email on the fridge.
[15:23] <dholbach> ah ok
[15:23] <dholbach> yes
[15:23] <dholbach> cool :)
[15:23] <dholbach> I still can't log in to the fridge any more :-/
[15:23] <dholbach> I don't know why
[15:24] <jose> dholbach: let me check that real quick
[15:24] <dholbach> it looks like I'm in a openid login loop
[15:24] <dholbach> or something
[15:24] <jose> hmm. let me try giving you a logout link to see if that helps
[15:25] <jose> dholbach: https://fridge.ubuntu.com/wp-login.php?action=logout
[15:26] <dholbach> I'll try
[15:26] <dholbach> no, still same problem :-/
[15:26] <jose> want me to ping IS on it?
[15:28] <dholbach> I think I'll just send a ticket
[15:29] <dholbach> thanks for your help jose :)
[15:29] <jose> no prob!
[15:29] <jose> dholbach: oh, just to confirm. planet too?
[15:30] <dholbach> sure
[15:30] <jose> posted
[15:31] <dholbach> czajkowski, ^
[15:32] <czajkowski> thanks folks
[16:35] <sladen> I've stuck
s around the content on https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2015/06/25/joint-statement-from-the-cc-and-kc/
[16:36] <sladen> and given it a one-line introduction to try the make the origin/authorship/context clearer
[16:36] <sladen> and pre-empty potential confusion
[16:36] <sladen> and pre-empt potential confusion
[16:37] <pleia2> we don't usually do that
[16:37] <pleia2> but ok :)
[16:37] <pleia2> seems reasonable in this case
[16:41] <sladen> it's normally done for Ubuntu News:  {introduction} {snippet}
[16:44] <sladen> I've found another email-posted-in-directly  http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2015/04/30/ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx-end-of-life-reached-on-april-30-2015/
[16:45] <sladen> which would concut that usual practice seems to have changed/headed that way
[16:46] <sladen> concur
[16:47] <pleia2> tjat
[16:47] <sladen> ...at least for The Fridge, even if not Ubuntu News
[16:47] <pleia2> that's how we usually do them on the fridge
[16:47] <pleia2> no intro, no blockquote, just straight copy from the mailing list
[16:48] <pleia2> I'm really ok with the change for this CC/KC statement, just noting that it's usual :)
[16:48] <sladen> in light of recent confusion observed, it might be worth pondering about changing/tighening this up
[16:48] <sladen> thank you
[16:48] <pleia2> the citation at the bottom is supposed to make it clear, the CC post that was removed had no citation
[16:48] <pleia2> which I think was the problem
[16:49] <sladen> the revision that I looked at had one (when I looked really hard!), though if I'd missed it, most readers probably had too
[16:50] <sladen> so it was there, but coming /after/, it was unclear or getting missed between the  By-line, and the content from somebody else
[16:50] <pleia2> yeah, so are supposed to put Originally posted.. blah blah, but in the case of the CC post it was an etherpad that the CC just asked jose to post, so no place to reference
[16:51] <pleia2> anyway, this post is fine
[16:51]  * pleia2 back2work
[16:52]  * sladen nods
[19:58] <pleia2> adding alpha1 to fridge


[00:36] <Unit193> TheErk: You are the only other nameless person :)
[00:37] <TheErk> I have a name.
[00:37] <TheErk> It is The Erk.
[00:38] <Unit193> My name is Unit 193
[00:41] <TheErk> Hello Unit.
[00:41] <TheErk> Mr 193
[00:42] <TheErk> I do not
[00:51] <Unit193> skellat: Back again?
[00:51] <skellat> So it seems
[01:14] <skellat> As from this, we need to figure out how we might organize a 20 gigabyte hardware to get this Openbox project moving: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1779564
[01:16] <skellat> s/hardware/hard drive
[01:42] <Unit193> dmcglone1: Your vote didn't count
[01:44] <dmcglone1> Yeah, apparently my sig wasn't working
[01:45] <Unit193> bad dmcglone1... :D
[01:46] <dmcglone1> I tried getting it together before the deadline, but didn't find out until like 10 that night :-/
[01:49] <dmcglone1> Unit193: I think you hijacked my sig ;-)
[01:50] <Unit193> I have a meeting on IRC
[01:50] <canthus13> dmcglone1: You shoulda paid attention to the channel. I was going to forward all the instructions to you.
[01:51] <dmcglone1> I appreciate that canthus13. I got buisy and I don't know when people ping me :-/
[01:52] <dmcglone1> but it's all good, she got it thats all that mattered. I'm happy for her :-)
[02:16] <Cheri703> thanks :)
[02:36] <Unit193> Next U-H going to be a meeting? ;)
[02:39] <Cheri703> ?
[02:57] <Unit193> Tomorrow, right?
[02:57] <Cheri703> yep
[02:58]  * Cheri703 made the fb event a little bit ago
[03:05]  * Unit193 is never on fb
[03:09] <Cheri703> then check the loco calendar!
[03:11] <Unit193> Wasn't sure if you could make it or not. Best to make sure and I do have it on my calendar
[03:12] <Cheri703> true
[03:12] <Cheri703> though even if I'm not there, some of the other folks may be
[03:13] <Unit193> Eric can't again...
[03:13] <Cheri703> ok
[05:20] <Unit193> Cheri703: Eric can
[05:20] <Cheri703> ok, cool :)
[05:20] <Unit193> Talked to him in > -offtopic ;)
[05:20] <Cheri703> he can meet the new people
[06:25] <Cheri703> anyone here have an askmetafilter account?
[08:26] <Unit193> Ever used AnchorFree ?
[08:28] <BiosElement> Awesome, LulzSec just went from heros to idiots, funny how anon doesn't have quite this problem.
[08:29] <Unit193> Didn't they go after LoL?
[08:29] <BiosElement> They took down game servers with DDoS's for no reason.
[08:29] <BiosElement> That's a great way for them to piss off their base
[09:49] <Unit193> It's late...
[13:00] <dmcglone> anybody think google's chromebooks will be a success?
[13:00] <dmcglone> I think it'll be a flop :-/
[13:22]  * canthus13 wants one.. but isn't gonna pay for one.
[16:20] <gillyman> hey cheri
[16:20] <gillyman> well anyway
[16:23] <gillyman> my gf bought a new harddrive for her laptop, and when we tryed to put  windowsin it and it wouldent let it, so i tryed to but ubuntu in it and it still told us that we needed to put a bootable operating system in it, i work on it foe like 3 or 4 hours, what do i need to do
[16:25] <Cheri703> hi
[16:25] <gillyman> hey
[16:25] <Cheri703> ok, what do you mean you tried to put ubuntu, what didn't it let you do?
[16:25] <gillyman> hey congrade
[16:26] <Cheri703> thanks :)
[16:26] <gillyman> its not letting us run a cd boot
[16:26] <gillyman> nothen will work at all
[16:27] <gillyman> one tiime it let me boot knoppix
[16:27] <gillyman> but that was the one time
[16:27] <Cheri703> hmm...can you bring it tonight? you're sure it is installed correctly, right?
[16:27] <gillyman> ya
[16:27] <Cheri703> k. have you tried booting from usb? like making a live usb to use?
[16:28] <Cheri703> and I'd assume you're doing the "press whatever for boot menu" that pops up when you first start the computer
[16:28] <gillyman> no i dont know how to do that
[16:28] <gillyman> ya
[16:29] <gillyman> alli is at work right know. when she gets off ill have get her computer and bring it tonight so you can take a look
[16:30] <Cheri703> ok, I will bring a usb drive and a cd, so we can try both.
[16:30] <Cheri703> ok
[16:30] <Cheri703> does she want windows or want ubuntu?
[16:30] <gillyman> she said that we can put ubuntu in it
[16:30] <Cheri703> ok
[16:30] <gillyman> well eather or both
[16:30] <Cheri703> ok, bring the windows cd
[16:31] <gillyman> i dont know
[16:31] <gillyman> ok kool
[16:31] <gillyman> thanks
[16:31] <gillyman> i was getting so freaking mad last night i wasent funny
[16:32] <gillyman> i couldent figur out why is wouldent let me run a cd boot
[16:34] <Cheri703> yeah, sometimes computers are super dumb....I'll try to remember my screwdriver so we can make sure it's all seated properly
[16:34] <gillyman> ill bring mine
[16:34] <Cheri703> kk
[16:34] <gillyman> ill put it in my computer bag
[16:35] <gillyman> i think i have gnome 3 dvd,
[16:35] <gillyman> i havent tryed it yet
[16:35] <Cheri703> I can bring 10.10
[16:35] <gillyman> ok kool
[16:36] <gillyman> thats what i have so thats kool
[16:36] <gillyman> she kinda knows how to run it
[16:37] <Cheri703> k, and do you have windows 7 or xp that you're trying to put on it
[16:37] <gillyman> i used to xp, but i lost it, and she cant find her windows 7 back up
[16:37] <gillyman> so idk
[16:38] <gillyman> i tryed to use her dads back up for his computer
[16:38] <gillyman> but it wouldent run
[16:39] <gillyman> idk
[16:41] <Cheri703> hmm...ok
[16:41] <Cheri703> I will bring an xp disk, what brand is the computer? dell, hp?
[16:42] <gillyman> dell studio 1550
[16:42] <gillyman> i think
[16:42] <gillyman> dell studio for sure
[16:42] <Cheri703> ok, I'll bring an xp disk too
[16:42] <gillyman> i for get the model
[16:42] <Cheri703> that's ok
[16:43] <gillyman> kool
[16:43] <gillyman> i get my check next friday ill pay you to get this thing running
[16:48] <gillyman> ill see you tonight, what time are you going to be there
[16:50] <Cheri703> I'll be there a bit before 5
[16:51] <Cheri703> I am hitting meijer around 4:30 and then walking over to panera
[16:52] <gillyman> ok kool alli gets off at 4 so we sould be there some time out 5-530
[16:52] <gillyman> round
[16:52] <gillyman> not out
[16:52] <gillyman> sorry
[16:53] <gillyman> ill see you then thanks
[16:54] <Cheri703> ok, cool :)
[19:34] <Unit193> Cheri703: Are you going to bring your nook?
[19:35] <Cheri703> yep, getting everything packed up now actually, have to leave in about 25 minutes
[19:38] <Unit193> Mind if we look over your shoulder at it?
[19:43] <Cheri703> oh yeah, you guys can play with it
[20:29] <Derath-Srvr> hi all
[20:29] <Derath-Srvr> Is the meeting still on for tonight?
[20:29] <Unit193> Derath-Srvr: Howdy! Glad to see you!
[20:29] <Unit193> The one for here is :P
[20:30] <Derath-Srvr> Here as in Cols?
[20:30] <Unit193> No
[20:31] <Derath-Srvr> ah
[20:31] <Derath-Srvr> sigh
[20:31] <Unit193> Wish I could help
[21:40] <Derath-Srvr> And where is the new location again?
[21:41] <Derath-Srvr> n/m, found it...
[21:45] <Unit193> Derath-Srvr: I hope you find them and they are there...
[21:46] <Derath-Srvr> Debating on going at this point...
[21:46] <Derath-Srvr> since I think the only one that I can possibly count is dmc...
[21:46] <Unit193> jgould: You there? You going to U-H?
[22:02] <Derath-Srvr> Yeah, I believe I'm going to skip this one as well...
[22:03] <Derath-Srvr> laters all
[22:19] <cheri703-mobile> bah, when I updated my router firmware it removed all of my port forwarding -_- forgot to set it back up
[23:25] <gilbert> Derath-Srvr: yeah, still on.  clintonville panera
[23:28] <gilbert> i'm heading to panera now.  see you there (if you're coming ;)


[14:57] <cyphermox> BenC: you around for the DMB meeting?
[14:58] <sil2100> o/
[15:00] <sil2100> bdmurray: hey! You around?
[15:00]  * Odd_Bloke is here.
[15:00] <bdmurray> sil2100: I am
[15:00]  * nacc too
[15:01] <rbasak> That's four then. We have quorum I think?
[15:02] <rbasak> bdmurray: would you chair please, as you're next in line after infinity and BenC?
[15:02] <sil2100> bdmurray: would you feel strong enough today to chair the meeting? Since infinity and BenC are not here, you'd be the next alpha-wise
[15:02] <bdmurray> sil2100: yep
[15:03] <bdmurray> #startmeeting DMB meeting
[15:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Aug 29 15:03:22 2016 UTC.  The chair is bdmurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[15:03] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[15:03] <bdmurray> #topic Review of previous action items
[15:03] <sil2100> Thanks!
[15:03] <bdmurray> cyphermox: any news on the Mate package changes?
[15:05] <cyphermox> done!
[15:05] <cyphermox> I'm updating the packagesets now
[15:05] <bdmurray> Does anybody know if infinity made the changes for GunnarHj and Otto?
[15:06] <cyphermox> I don't know
[15:06] <cyphermox> but I could do the LP team changes for Otto if necessary
[15:06] <rbasak> I sorted Otto.
[15:06] <rbasak> I did all three of my actions on the agenda.
[15:07] <rbasak> Oh, sorry.
[15:07] <rbasak> There was an infinity task to actually add Otto's PPU.
[15:07] <rbasak> I haven't/can't do that.
[15:08] <rbasak> And it appears nobody has PPU to mariadb-10.0 yet.
[15:08] <bdmurray> Okay, lets leave infinity's two items on there but if cyphermox could sort out Ott's access that would be great.
[15:08] <rbasak> AIUI, it needs a TB member.
[15:09] <bdmurray> rbasak: Okay, I think infinity is out for the week.   I'll try to find one to help then.
[15:09] <rbasak> Thanks!
[15:10] <bdmurray> #topic Package Set/Per Package Uploader Applications
[15:10] <rbasak> bdmurray: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2016-August/000951.html is relevant, if an alternative TB member is found.
[15:10] <bdmurray> #subtopic Daniel Watkins / ubuntu-cloud packageset
[15:10] <Odd_Bloke> o/
[15:11] <bdmurray> #subtopic Daniel Watkins / ubuntu-cloud packageset
[15:12] <bdmurray> Odd_Bloke: could you introduce your self and your work?
[15:12] <Odd_Bloke> Sure.
[15:13] <Odd_Bloke> I'm Dan Watkins, I'm a member of the Canonical Certified Public Cloud team.  We're responsible for the images produced at cloud-images.ubuntu.com, and the images that are published in to the major public clouds.
[15:14] <Odd_Bloke> We're a small team, so everyone is generally responsible for everything, but my backgroun is in Python, so I do a lot of work with cloud-init.
[15:14] <sil2100> Looking at your upload history, how do you feel about your experience with Debian packaging?
[15:14] <Odd_Bloke> The tools in the ubuntu-cloud pacakageset are used primarily in cloud applications, so are directly applicable to the work we do.
[15:15] <sil2100> Since most of your uploads were either patches or code-changes (in livecd-rootfs for instance)
[15:15] <Odd_Bloke> I'm not the most experienced packager, but I am confident in Python packages.
[15:15] <Odd_Bloke> WHich make up a decent chunk of these packages.
[15:17] <Odd_Bloke> I have done work in other packages, just not to the same extent.
[15:17] <Odd_Bloke> So I would expect to look for support in cases where I'm not fully confident in the changes that I'm looking to make.
[15:17] <Odd_Bloke> (I believe that people I've worked with would vouch for my ability to identify when I need to look for support. :)
[15:18] <sil2100> Fair enough, it's best to always ask when you're not sure how to deal with something
[15:19] <Odd_Bloke> Absolutely; we work with the kernel and foundations team a lot (for non-packaging work), so I'm used to liaising with others when necessary.
[15:20] <Odd_Bloke> Though, of course, the aim would be to reduce those cases over time. :)
[15:20] <bdmurray> rbasak, cyphermox: Do you have any questions?
[15:21] <rbasak> No questions.
[15:22] <rbasak> I've worked with Odd_Bloke over the years, most recently at a week-long sprint last month.
[15:22] <cyphermox> Odd_Bloke: do you know what is the current state of the archive? Given upload rights now, could you currently upload stuff without question?
[15:22] <rbasak> So I have an understanding of his technical capabilities, etc.
[15:22] <Odd_Bloke> cyphermox: Nope, we're feature-frozen at the moment.
[15:23] <cyphermox> right, that's really all I wanted to hear about :)
[15:23] <cyphermox> no more questions
[15:23] <sil2100> No questions here as well
[15:24] <bdmurray> #vote for Daniel Watkins ubuntu-cloud packageset upload rights
[15:24] <meetingology> Please vote on: for Daniel Watkins ubuntu-cloud packageset upload rights
[15:24] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[15:25] <rbasak> +1
[15:25] <meetingology> +1 received from rbasak
[15:25] <sil2100> Generally I would prefer to see a bit more uploads before giving PPU rights, but since the package-set is fairly small and not super-dangerous (especially that it's all managed by his team) + the endorsements, I would say:
[15:25] <sil2100> +1
[15:25] <meetingology> +1 received from sil2100
[15:25] <cyphermox> +1
[15:25] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[15:25] <bdmurray> +1
[15:25] <meetingology> +1 received from bdmurray
[15:26] <bdmurray> #endvote
[15:26] <meetingology> Voting ended on: for Daniel Watkins ubuntu-cloud packageset upload rights
[15:26] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[15:26] <meetingology> Motion carried
[15:26] <cyphermox> sil2100: I beg to disagree about not so dangerous. some packages there have the potential of breaking boot for cloud images :)
[15:26] <rbasak> Yes, I did feel that the number of uploads was pretty low. I feel that he just made it over the line for PPU.
[15:26] <sil2100> Odd_Bloke: congratulations!
[15:26] <Odd_Bloke> \o/
[15:26] <sil2100> cyphermox: sure, but as said, it's all his job right? ;)
[15:26] <rbasak> (well, a limited packageset)
[15:26] <cyphermox> sil2100: well, yes
[15:27] <Odd_Bloke> Thanks all. :)
[15:27] <rbasak> bdmurray: please could you assign actions? The three things I think are required are: add to ~ubuntu-dev if not already; add to packageset ACL, and announce (to the news team and in the devel-permissions thread at a minimum).
[15:28] <bdmurray> rbasak: to myself?
[15:28] <cyphermox> or to me
[15:28] <sil2100> +1 on adding exact actions, this way we won't forget about stuff
[15:28] <rbasak> To whomever we nominate :)
[15:28] <rbasak> Yeah we agreed on assigning actions to avoid missing stuff a few meetings ago.
[15:28] <cyphermox> I'm volunteering.
[15:28] <bdmurray> #action cyphermox to add Odd_Bloke to ubuntu-dev
[15:28] <meetingology> ACTION: cyphermox to add Odd_Bloke to ubuntu-dev
[15:29] <bdmurray> #action cyphermox to add Odd_Bloke to ubuntu-cloud packageset
[15:29] <meetingology> ACTION: cyphermox to add Odd_Bloke to ubuntu-cloud packageset
[15:29] <rbasak> I don't mind three things being inside one action FWIW; I just identified three things in case they get split :)
[15:29] <bdmurray> #action cyphermox to announce the result of Odd_Bloke's application
[15:29] <meetingology> ACTION: cyphermox to announce the result of Odd_Bloke's application
[15:29] <rbasak> Thank you!
[15:30] <bdmurray> #topic adding libdumbnet and zerofree to the ubuntu-cloud packageset
[15:30] <bdmurray> Odd_Bloke: Could you talk about that briefly?
[15:31] <Odd_Bloke> These are packages that were pulled in to main as a result of open-vm-tools being pulled in to main.
[15:31] <Odd_Bloke> Which is in the ubuntu-cloud packageset.
[15:31] <Odd_Bloke> My team is the bug supervisor for bugs in them.
[15:31] <sil2100> For both of those, yes?
[15:31] <Odd_Bloke> So it seems like they naturally belong in the same packageset.
[15:32] <Odd_Bloke> Yep, for both.
[15:32] <sil2100> Since looking at the packages themselves I wasn't sure if those were typically cloud-oriented, one of them was a Recommends of open-vm-tools
[15:33] <sil2100> Also, I saw that basically almost all development for those happens in Debian
[15:33] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah, I don't anticipate these being a regular upload.
[15:34] <Odd_Bloke> But having upload rights to packages that our team has volunteered to maintain would make that job easier if a case ever did come up where an Ubuntu upload were needed. :)
[15:36] <bdmurray> Do we need to vote on this?  I'm okay with it.
[15:36] <rbasak> AIUI, it only needs one DMB member to +1 it. No vote required.
[15:37] <sil2100> Ok, if you guys are ok with it then I'll add those to the packageset
[15:38] <cyphermox> I'm not sure
[15:38] <cyphermox> I have a hard time deciding how zerofree is cloud-specific ?
[15:38] <sil2100> I originally wanted to do that but I didn't feel like it's the right way
[15:38] <sil2100> Hence my doubts above
[15:38] <sil2100> So I wanted to discuss it here
[15:39] <rbasak> Does a package need to be specific to the goals of a particular packageset as a requirement to add it to that packageset?
[15:39] <rbasak> Or would that just be a reason to have it in multiple packagesets?
[15:39] <Odd_Bloke> zerofree isn't cloud-specific, but it is used heavily in the production of cloud images.
[15:40] <cyphermox> a packageset usually has a definition that the packages should match to, at least to some degree
[15:40] <cyphermox> however, looking into the team, it looks like maybe it's fine
[15:40] <rbasak> "Description: Packages required to create, bootstrap, use or configure Ubuntu Cloud images and their derivatives."
[15:40] <cyphermox> Packages required to create, bootstrap, use or configure Ubuntu Cloud images and their derivatives
[15:40] <cyphermox> right
[15:40] <cyphermox> that's a pretty wide description though
[15:40] <sil2100> Yeah
[15:40] <rbasak> It is, but it appears that the DMB has previously voted on having that wide description.
[15:41] <rbasak> We would narrow it. That would require 4 +1s AIUI.
[15:41] <rbasak> *could
[15:41] <sil2100> I'm not sure also what policies we have, if we want to add packages to packagesets as-is or only if we see it makes sense, like, in anticipating actual uploads
[15:41] <rbasak> But I'm find with that description. Odd_Bloke's team needs that sort of breadth to be useful, IMHO.
[15:41] <cyphermox> no, I'm fine with how it currently is
[15:41] <rbasak> *fine
[15:42] <cyphermox> yeah
[15:42] <cyphermox> well, +1 for zerofree from me
[15:42] <cyphermox> just looking at libdumbnet now :)
[15:42] <cyphermox> +1 for that one too, I guess
[15:42] <rbasak> sil2100 raises a good point, but I see no reason to object if there isn't another team paying attention to this packages (and it appears to me that there isn't).
[15:43] <sil2100> Ok, if more experienced DMB members are ok then please add me an action item for that :)
[15:43] <cyphermox> actually, it's under core-dev and server too
[15:43] <rbasak> What is?
[15:44] <cyphermox> well, both zerofree and libdumbnet
[15:45] <rbasak> open-vm-tools is in the server seed.
[15:45] <rbasak> Which pulls in libdumbnet1 too.
[15:46] <cyphermox> it's all good; should we carry on?
[15:46] <rbasak> Though with my server team hat on, I can confirm that the server team looks to Odd_Bloke's team for any open-vm-tools related uploads.
[15:46] <rbasak> So really it's just his team.
[15:46] <bdmurray> #action sil2100 to add libdumbnet and zerofree to ubuntu-cloud packageset
[15:46] <meetingology> ACTION: sil2100 to add libdumbnet and zerofree to ubuntu-cloud packageset
[15:47] <cyphermox> well it really just was to see who had theoretically access to upload the packages
[15:47] <sil2100> Thanks!
[15:47] <bdmurray> #topic Ubuntu Core Developer Applications
[15:47] <cyphermox> not necessarily who takes the responsibility
[15:47] <rbasak> Ah, OK.
[15:47] <bdmurray> #subtopic Nish Aravamudan
[15:48] <bdmurray> nacc: For the record could you introduce yourself and your work?
[15:48] <nacc> bdmurray: sure!
[15:49] <nacc> Hi everyone! My name is Nish Aravamudan and I'm a member of the Canonical Server team. I'm working with rbasak and cpaelzer on the release side of things for the Server Team, so helping work through bugs and issues across the distribution related to server.
[15:52] <nacc> I've had several uploads sponsored already, touching many packages, and have become the de facto responder to PHP7.0 bugs in 16.04 and on (and helping work through bugs in PHP5 as best I can in 14.04)
[15:53] <bdmurray> Does anybody have an questions for nacc?
[15:53] <sil2100> I like the number of uploads, although most of those I see were rebuilds/dep-changes for the php transition, right?
[15:53] <bdmurray> I've seen quite a few SRUs for 16.04, iirc.
[15:53] <nacc> sil2100: yeah, probably ~400 or so were related to the PHP transition, which was pretty large. Not all were rebuilds/dep-changes, some were syncs, and a few required patches (which then I sent to Debian)
[15:54] <nacc> bdmurray: yeah, some of the transition and fixes to the packages themselves have come via SRU
[15:54] <sil2100> nacc: since the list is so big (and I haven't had the time to check this), how many of those uploads you got sponsored were main packages?
[15:54] <rbasak> I have no questions for nacc (I work with him and we speak regularly).
[15:55] <cyphermox> no questions
[15:55] <sil2100> (I know php is, but yeah)
[15:55] <nacc> sil2100: a good question :) I have touched several packages in main (qemu, php itself, etc.). I apologize but I'm actually on vacation right now and not at my normal computer to search on.
[15:56] <sil2100> Just trying to see if core-dev is a necessity here or maybe MOTU would be good enough, but possibly php here is the 'thing'
[15:56] <sil2100> Ok, so I'll just drop one quick packaging question here:
[15:57] <sil2100> nacc: let's say you need to rename a binary package foo into foobar in the given release
[15:59] <sil2100> nacc: what would be the control field's you'd use to make that happen and not break stuff on upgrades?
[15:59] <sil2100> *fields
[16:00] <nacc> sil2100: i have not done that yet myself, but I believe the general method involves dummy/transitional package named foo that depends (I think) on foobar. You'd possibly also want foobar to conflict with foo? I  probably would spend some time consulting the debian manual on this and other developers to be sure :)
[16:02] <sil2100> nacc: yeah, that's a good direction, breaks is better suited here generally instead of conflicts
[16:02] <sil2100> And remember you'd need a Replaces too
[16:02] <sil2100> But you'd find that in the debian manual
[16:03] <nacc> sil2100: ah ok; that makes sense; and of course on the replaces, sorry for forgetting that!
[16:05] <bdmurray> sil2100: anything else?
[16:05] <sil2100> All from me
[16:05] <bdmurray> #vote Nish Aravamudan for Ubuntu Core Developer
[16:05] <meetingology> Please vote on: Nish Aravamudan for Ubuntu Core Developer
[16:05] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[16:06] <bdmurray> +1
[16:06] <meetingology> +1 received from bdmurray
[16:08] <cyphermox> +1
[16:08] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[16:11] <bdmurray> sil2100, rbasak: ?
[16:11] <sil2100> One moment, still thinking, give me 2 more minutes
[16:12] <sil2100> +1
[16:12] <meetingology> +1 received from sil2100
[16:12] <rbasak> +1 I would have preferred to recuse myself, but given that everyone else here is unanimous, I'm adding my +1 so that we have a quorate vote
[16:12] <meetingology> +1 I would have preferred to recuse myself, but given that everyone else here is unanimous, I'm adding my +1 so that we have a quorate vote received from rbasak
[16:13] <bdmurray> #endvote
[16:13] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Nish Aravamudan for Ubuntu Core Developer
[16:13] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[16:13] <meetingology> Motion carried
[16:13] <bdmurray> nacc: Congratulations
[16:13] <sil2100> nacc: congratulations! But please, whenever in doubt consult things with more experienced core-devs
[16:14] <nacc> Thank you everyone!
[16:14] <nacc> sil2100: absolutely!
[16:14] <nacc> sil2100: I plan on being very cautious :)
[16:14] <bdmurray> cyphermox: Do you mind also taking care of the changes for nacc?
[16:14] <sil2100> You're doing a great job in overall but I was still a bit weary of giving so much power to someone fairly, well, unexperienced
[16:14] <cyphermox> no problem
[16:14] <nacc> sil2100: totally understood :)
[16:15] <bdmurray> #action cyphermox to add nacc to ubuntu-coredev and announce result of application
[16:15] <meetingology> ACTION: cyphermox to add nacc to ubuntu-coredev and announce result of application
[16:15] <bdmurray> #topic AOB
[16:15] <sil2100> But seeing all your work on php, starting off with MOTU might have been a bit of a waste of time - also, rbasak and slangasek did endorse you with details
[16:16] <nacc> sil2100: yeah, i've worked closely (and plan on continuing to do so) with both of them
[16:16] <bdmurray> anything else?
[16:17] <bdmurray> Okay, then.
[16:17] <bdmurray> #endmeeting
[16:17] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Aug 29 16:17:54 2016 UTC.
[16:17] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-08-29-15.03.moin.txt
[16:18] <sil2100> bdmurray: thanks for chairing!
[16:18] <sil2100> nacc: excellent ;)
[16:30] <tyhicks> hello
[16:30] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
[16:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Aug 29 16:30:56 2016 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:31] <tyhicks> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:31] <tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:31] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:31] <tyhicks> jdstrand: you're up
[16:31] <jdstrand> hi
[16:31] <jdstrand> short week this week (off friday)
[16:31] <jdstrand> last week had a few unplanned items that caused things to be pushed back a bit: discussed the shared mount for snap implementation, bunch of apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu merges, discussions where others landed the branches in silos
[16:31] <jdstrand> the apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu silos had yakkety failures in qrt and autopkgtests due to yakkety changes, so I investigated those. The qrt test faillures were due to dropping 13.10 frameworks. autopkgtests were from a click bug that others are working on
[16:31] <jdstrand> I did finish the lxd-support interface and finished working with the desktop team on browser policy. This resulted in several additional cards being added for the review tools. Those cards are almost done and hopefully I'll finish them today
[16:32] <jdstrand> this week I'm going to work on the high priority policy bugs PR, high priority interface PR reviews (eg, udisks2/pluggable-storage, docker, fwupd, systemd interaction and serial-port)
[16:32] <jdstrand> now that the shared mount for snaps is worked out, I'll explore using 'ip netns exec' with strict mode snaps
[16:32] <jdstrand> that's it from me
[16:32] <tyhicks> sbeattie: go ahead
[16:32] <sbeattie> I'm on cve triage this week
[16:33] <sbeattie> Kernel updates are in the middle of promoted to -security, so I'll be publishing the USNs for those after the meeting.
[16:33] <sbeattie> After that, I plan to go through the list for updates.
[16:33] <sbeattie> I also have some apparmor reviews to do.
[16:33] <sbeattie> That's probably my week. tyhicks?
[16:35] <tyhicks> I'm in the happy place this week (thanks to ratliff for picking up bug triage!)
[16:36] <tyhicks> I'm attempting to bring unix domain socket AppArmor mediation support back to 14.04 + hardware enablement kernel
[16:37] <tyhicks> I'll be working on seccomp complain mode
[16:37] <tyhicks> that should keep me busy along with incoming requests throughout the week
[16:37] <tyhicks> jjohansen: go ahead
[16:37] <jjohansen> I am back from LSS and I have a few cleanup items related to that.
[16:38] <jjohansen> I'll then be crying over^W^W working on fixing stacking bugs and finishing up gsettings review wi.
[16:38] <jjohansen> And if I actually get to a point where any of that is cleared or waiting for feedback will be working on finishing up what needs to be done for upstreaming
[16:39] <jjohansen> I think that is it for me
[16:39] <tyhicks> jjohansen: can you please ensure that the fix for bug 1579135 will be included in the next SRU kernel?
[16:40] <tyhicks> jjohansen: we have another apparmor SRU for xenial and I'm going to hold it back until that kernel fix has been published
[16:41] <jjohansen> tyhicks: yep, that has been submitted and committed. we just need to stay ontop of the SRU process now
[16:41] <tyhicks> jjohansen: ok, thanks!
[16:41] <tyhicks> sarnold: you're up
[16:41] <sarnold> good morning
[16:41] <sarnold> I'm on community this week
[16:42] <sarnold> I haven't yet looked at the backlog of reviews or updates to perform yet, so I'm not sure where the remainder of my week will be
[16:42] <sarnold> I suspect it'ls unity8 MIRs?
[16:42] <tyhicks> yep
[16:42] <sarnold> it'd be nice to also make progress on cboltz's huge patchset
[16:43] <sarnold> I just now realized that that certainly falls as a 'feature', does it make sense to do a FFE for that patchset for yakkety? hrm.
[16:43] <tyhicks> sarnold: FYI, sounds like kshitij8 is working on reviewing it
[16:43] <sarnold> yay
[16:43] <sarnold> he knows the tools and python better than I do :)
[16:44] <sarnold> anyway that's me
[16:44] <tyhicks> I don't know enough about that patch set to say if we need to get it into yakkety
[16:44] <sarnold> no tab-complete for chris coulson, ratliff then?
[16:44] <ratliff> I'm on bug triage this week.
[16:44] <ratliff> I'll be learning the community role from sarnold this week as well.
[16:45] <ratliff> I'm working on an update for clamav.
[16:45] <ratliff> And poking at the Unity 8 MIRs
[16:45] <ratliff> that's it for me, back to you tyhicks
[16:45] <tyhicks> thanks
[16:45] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:46] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:46] <tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:46] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gamera.html
[16:46] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/mbedtls.html
[16:46] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/mediaelement.html
[16:46] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/python-rsa.html
[16:46] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/node-cli.html
[16:46] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:46] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:47] <sarnold> o/~ gamera is really neat gamera is full of meat o/~
[16:50] <tyhicks> heh
[16:50] <tyhicks> jdstrand, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, ratliff: Thanks!
[16:50] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[16:50] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Aug 29 16:50:10 2016 UTC.
[16:50] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-08-29-16.30.moin.txt
[16:50] <jjohansen> thanks tyhicks
[16:50] <ratliff> thank you, tyhicks!
[16:50] <sbeattie> tyhicks: thanks!
[16:51] <sarnold> thanks tyhicks :)


 I'm going to change my corporate password on a Friday
[13:48] <rick_h_> lol, so long monday login
[13:48] <snap-l> rick_h_: You shouldn't have made a big deal about the thing that moron company did
[13:49] <rick_h_> hah
[13:49] <rick_h_> well I just love waking up and checking my email only to see "IMPORTANT NEED FIX"
[13:49] <rick_h_> from the boss
[13:49] <snap-l> "Don't use div tags in tables. Don't use div tags in tables". "What were we supposed to do?" "Use div tags in tables"
[13:49] <brousch> rick_h_ i'm gonna sign you up for one of the first robotic bodies. your organic one is always broken
[13:50] <rick_h_> brousch: definitely, sign me up.
[13:50] <rick_h_> I thought having a child was supposed to ravage the wife, she's fine.
[13:50] <rick_h_> I'm the one dying since the little man came along
[13:50] <brousch> oh no, i get sick 5x more often since the boy
[13:50] <snap-l> rick_h_: That's because she deals with bugs on a daily basis.
[13:51] <brousch> perfect attendence through HS, college, and work until he came along. now i get sinus infections 2 or 3 times a year
[13:51] <rick_h_> but yea, so far I've fixed my bosses logging setup, fixed his password login issue, and fixed parsing html with regex magic
[13:51] <snap-l> as opposed to someone who bitches about one little bug in Beautiful Soup. :)
[13:51] <snap-l> Sheesh. :)
[13:51] <rick_h_> it's not even 9am and I feel like I'm done for the day
[13:51] <rick_h_> and I need to figure out how to call the doc to make an appt when I can't talk
[13:51] <brousch> TTS
[13:51] <rick_h_> where's those voice synth apps when you need one
[13:51] <snap-l> TTD
[13:51] <rick_h_> lol
[13:52] <rick_h_> think I'll use the text-wife relay system
[13:52] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_devices_for_the_deaf
[13:52] <brousch> i'll bet there's one for android, but it probably won't work while the phone is going
[13:52] <snap-l> Just go to a swanky hotel that has one of these, and use that.
[13:53] <brousch> here ya go, and it's command line http://www.xenocafe.com/tutorials/php/festival_text_to_speech/index.php
[13:53] <snap-l> "Yes I'd like to make an appointment"
[13:54] <snap-l> "around 2 colon zero zero pm, please"
[13:54] <snap-l> "stupid sin-th-sizer"
[13:55] <snap-l> brb.
[13:55] <brousch> please record the phone call
[15:24] <snap-l> greg-g: Here's to hoping that some sanity can come to the copyright discussion re: < 1923 recordings
[15:25] <snap-l> I'm sure the big band sounds of [insert obscure name here] are really making the RIAA a killing
[15:25] <brousch> listen to http://www.grcmc.org/radio/ at noon to hear me embarrass myself on the radio
[15:26] <snap-l> brousch: It's community college radio at noon. Nobody listens. ;)
[15:26] <brousch> community radio, not college affiliated
[15:26] <brousch> greg-g kind of radio
[15:26] <snap-l> Oh, even better. ;)
[15:27] <_stink_> http://www.grcmc.org/radio/programmer_detail.php?programmer_id=144
[15:27] <brousch> i didn't even know the dial went down to 88.1
[15:27] <snap-l> (although, when I did my rubber duckie show, I did get someone at the major stations to comment on how ridiculous it was)
[15:27] <_stink_> this program?
[15:27] <brousch> _stink_: no
[15:28] <brousch> it's just an interview with me and another grwebdev guy
[15:28] <_stink_> ah
[15:28] <brousch> airs at noon if you do the "isten live"
[15:28] <brousch> listen online
[15:28] <snap-l> http://www.grcmc.org/radio/?npad=1&news_id=1417
[15:29] <snap-l> Wow, they have a 10,000 watt transmitter
[15:29] <brousch> hm, maybe it is part of that segment, but airs at noon not 9:30
[15:29] <snap-l> http://www.michiguide.com/dials/rad-y/wyce.html
[15:31] <brousch> bah, nevermind, we got bumped to the 24th
[15:31] <_stink_> aw man
[15:32] <snap-l> And here I was getting ready to listen.
[15:36] <brousch> me too, and sent out an announcement via half a dozen mediums
[15:44] <snap-l> We are most certainly living in the future. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqRwxAYtato
[15:44] <snap-l> Bah, forget that link.
[15:45] <snap-l> We are most certainly living in the future. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn2JISG3ZBE
[16:07] <snap-l> http://www.popularwoodworking.com/woodworking-blogs/chris-schwarz-blog/a-gift-for-my-successor <- Wow
[17:02] <rick_h_> grumble grumble...
[17:22] <snap-l> greg-g: http://www.musicimprint.com/Chart.aspx?Id=C000087
[17:22] <snap-l> If we don't get the copyright reform, are these songs still going to be controlled by copyright?
[17:24] <greg-g> if the federalization doesn't happen, then tons of stuff will still be in-(C) until around 2063 (2060-something)
[17:24] <greg-g> the techdirt article on this is (unsurprisingly) good
[17:25] <greg-g> brousch_: I don't hear you on that radio
[17:25] <greg-g> brousch_: oh, I didn't finish reading scrollback, nevermind
[17:25] <snap-l> greg-g: It got pushed to the 24th
[17:26] <snap-l> https://identi.ca/notice/75271417
[17:50] <smoser> fyi... https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=265
[17:51] <snap-l> tx
[18:14] <rick_h_> snap-l: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/service-oriented/soap-versus-rest-battle-still-haunts-us/7093
[18:25] <snap-l> “SOAP isn’t complex, technically it might suck, but conceptually its simple,”
[18:25] <snap-l> Sort of like the legal code.
[18:25] <snap-l> conceptually, it's quite simple.
[18:28] <snap-l> I will say, though, that SOAP does solve a particularly hard problem.
[18:29] <snap-l> Unfortunately it was designed in an era where XML was going to solve all of our data interoperability problems and free us to think of problems that weren't related to data.
[18:30] <snap-l> (har har)
[20:08] <Milyardo> What problem does SOAP solve?
[20:13] <jrwren> the client/server shared schema problem.
[20:14] <jrwren> or at least WSDL part of soap solves it.
[20:17] <Milyardo> I still don't see how that compares to REST which is a design pattern for mananging application states
[20:18] <Milyardo> what does that have to do with a RPC Protocol?
[20:19] <Milyardo> Are they considered exclusive because SOAP isn't "stateless"
[20:23] <snap-l> Well, if you add WADL, you get something comparable to SOAP
[20:23] <snap-l> er, SOAP / WSDL
[20:25] <Milyardo> I guess idempotent was the word I was looking for when describing SOAP
[20:26] <Milyardo> instead of stateless
[20:26] <Milyardo> Still don't understand how WSDL relates
[20:26] <snap-l> Well, SOAP allegedly solves the problem of getting disparate machines to exchange information
[20:26] <snap-l> WSDL allows one to generate machine code off of a description
[20:27] <Milyardo> what doe having a description of your interface have to do with managing the state of your application?
[20:27] <snap-l> Two separate problems
[20:27] <snap-l> 1) Describe the interface (WSDL)
[20:27] <snap-l> 2) Send the data (SOAP)
[20:28] <snap-l> and WADL is apparently the answer for the RESTful folks to create an interface for generating machine code.
[20:29] <snap-l> (unfortunately, it's also a television station that plays 1/3 televangelists, 1/3 syndicated content, and 1/3 infomercials here in Detroit)
[20:29] <snap-l> so I have a harder time taking it seriously. ;)
[20:30] <brousch> it's also an amusing type of locomotion
[20:32] <Milyardo> So just for clairity, SOAP == Document Protocol, REST ==  Application design patter, and WSDL = Interface definition, where do any of those technolgies become exclusive with one another?
[20:37] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representational_State_Transfer#SOAP_RPC_contrast
[20:37] <snap-l> I think you're making an incorrect distinction between SOAP and REST.
[20:41] <Milyardo> All it says is that SOAP RPC implementations encourage developers to do things that aren't RESTful
[20:42] <Milyardo> not that SOAP itself is somehow compareable or exclusive with REST for some reason
[20:51] <Milyardo> So basically, I was write an application that is RESTful and uses SOAP, but that difficult, because WSDL defined methods easily let manage the state of my application beacuse I don't know the possible states a resource will have until runtime?
[20:51] <Milyardo> *I can
[20:52] <Milyardo> s/easily/don't easily
[20:54] <Milyardo> no that still doesn't make sense
[20:54] <Milyardo> You can't compare REST to SOAP
[21:51] <jrwren> <3 WADL.
[21:51] <jrwren> comcast took it away.
[21:51] <jrwren> but i want my WADL back.
[21:51] <jrwren> i might go digital just for WADL
[21:52] <jrwren> you can totally compare REST to SOAP.
[21:52] <jrwren> watch.
[21:52] <jrwren> REST > SOAP
[21:52] <jrwren> see how I did that?
[21:56] <_stink_> haha
[22:09] <snap-l> jrwren: Hahahaha
[22:30] <snap-l> Hey devinheitmueller
[22:33] <devinheitmueller> snap-l: hello there
[22:44] <snap-l> Getting ready to head out to celebrate my dad's birthday.
[22:44] <snap-l> Trying to surprise him a bit
[22:44] <snap-l> I'm sure my mom has pretty much given it all away, though
[22:44] <snap-l> she keeps a secret like a cat keeps a canary in it's mouth
[22:46] <rick_h_> have fun
[22:46] <snap-l> thanks!