[00:00] <ali1234> seems like i'm not the only one who thinks that the difficulty is a bit wrong in borderlands 2
[00:00] <daftykins> it's a bit weird when some NPC is a higher level and you can't even make a dent
[00:01] <ali1234> apparently people who played 1 also had a similar conclusion
[00:02] <ali1234> it's not even "hard" - it just takes forever to kill anything
[00:02] <ali1234> i'm getting to the point where even normal grunts will take 4 headshots and keep going
[00:07] <daftykins> yeah it was genuinely impossible on the xbox when me and friends got it
[00:10] <ali1234> i find the best tactic is fire pistol everything until it sets on fire, then run away and wait for them to burn to death
[00:10] <ali1234> repeat until everything is dead
[00:10] <ali1234> doesn't work on bosses though, they have too much hp
[00:12] <ali1234> for them, i lure them back to the entrance and then blast them with the car gun
[00:12] <ali1234> even that can take like 10 minutes of constant rocket launcher blasts before they go down
[00:17] <daftykins> why don't you just level up? :)
[00:18] <ali1234> because grinding is boring
[05:22] <OERIAS> We are oft to blame in this, - 'Tis too much proved - that with devotion's visage And pious action we do sugar o'er The devil himself
[05:25] <daftykins> oh not you again :(
[05:38] <OERIAS> daftykins, you seem to have a problem with Shakespeare.
[05:38] <OERIAS> why?
[05:39] <daftykins> :D
[05:39] <OERIAS> He was a gay man?
[05:39] <daftykins> happy? i care not for someones joviality
[08:28] <foobarry> skeleton staff only this weekend as oggcamp is in town
[08:33] <Myrtti> indeed
[08:34] <Myrtti> our hotel room was a bit odd
[08:34] <Myrtti> maybe needs updating to the 21st century
[08:35] <foobarry> oxford for ya
[08:35] <Myrtti> no power sockets by the bedside table
[08:35] <foobarry> tourists pay anyway
[09:16] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:17] <Myrtti> moin
[09:17] <brobostigon> moin Myrtti
[09:18] <brobostigon> is that finnish? because i am familier with the word from platt duutsch.
[09:20] <foobarry> a package arrived \o/
[09:20] <foobarry> http://i.imgur.com/f7I8YWP.jpg
[09:35] <popey> moin
[09:36] <brobostigon> moin popey
[12:40] <Azelphur> and on todays hilarious news, a skiddie just tried to DDoS my service which is behind cloudflare.
[12:40]  * Azelphur facepalms
[12:46] <zmoylan-pi> they have to start somewhere :-)
[12:46] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:24]  * DJones settles down to watch Jack Ryan, Shadow warrior..Amazing how Alec Baldwin has gotten 30 years younger  tranformed into Christopher Pine, I guess thats what happens when you've got NCC1701 available to time travel
[18:26]  * SuperEngineer settles down with takeaway... to watch Dr. Who at 8.30
[18:29] <DJones> SuperEngineer: The takeaway will be cold by then
[18:31] <SuperEngineer> DJones: nope - it will be nice n warm in my tummy by then! :0
[18:40]  * penguin42 swears at adb
[18:41] <daftykins> penguin42: uh-oh! what's it not doing? :)
[18:41] <penguin42> daftykins: Not talking to my phone
[18:41] <daftykins> ooh-err, dev mode on?
[18:42] <penguin42> daftykins: yep, little tick on the remote debug thing, I can su and get root from connectbot; and it was working last week; I can see it in the lsusb, I've got the udev rule, I can see the /sys/bus entry has perms and I've got the line in ~/.android/adb_usb.ini
[18:43] <daftykins> hehe
[18:43] <daftykins> sounds like all bases covered!
[18:44]  * penguin42 could draw a pentagon and place it in that
[18:45] <SuperEngineer> ..or draw a rubbish bin & place it in that!
[18:46] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Too nice a phone really for that
[18:46] <SuperEngineer> nah!
[19:09] <penguin42> ahha, it needs the 0x before the id in adb_usb
[19:11] <daftykins> D:
[19:11] <penguin42> I wish adb would have some diags - any would be good
[19:12] <penguin42> even with the env set it really doesn't help
[19:22] <shauno> hm, bbc2 is kinda odd right now.  this isn't how I remember bbc docus
[19:22] <penguin42> what's it on?
[19:23] <shauno> penguins!
[19:23] <penguin42> oooh
[19:23] <shauno> but they seem to spend as much time showing you how they're hiding the cameras.  which is unusual
[19:23] <shauno> I almost prefer it when she shots just seem impossible
[19:23] <daftykins> :)
[19:24] <penguin42> oh this one
[19:24] <penguin42> ok, that's weird
[19:26] <penguin42> shauno: There was a documentary a few weeks ago where they were doing international animal moves; and one of the sections was moving some Gentoo penguins from New Zealand to Birmingham; the Gentoo's really sound like old fashioned car horns - very much HONK!
[19:27] <shauno> poor Gentoos :(
[19:27] <shauno> I'd sound like a car horn if you relocated me to b'ham too
[19:27] <penguin42> well, yes
[19:29] <daftykins> XD
[22:11] <marshmn> anyone got a recommendation for a good Ubuntu laptop?
[22:12] <marshmn> my shortlist is currently Lenovo Thinkpad 1440s or Dell XPS 15
[22:12] <marshmn> would be interested in opinions of these, and other alternatives...
[22:12] <daftykins> is that one of the Dells they sell with Ubuntu on?
[22:14] <marshmn> no
[22:14] <marshmn> I believe they sell Ubuntu on the XPS 13
[22:14] <marshmn> but I'm put off by the smaller screen size of that..
[22:15] <marshmn> TBH, it's also the biggest downside of the Thinkpad 1440s for me (screen is only 14")
[22:16] <marshmn> finding a nice light 15" Linux laptop isn't so easy
[22:16] <marshmn> people at work have 15" Macbook Pros, and I suppose I'm trying to find the best Linux equivalent to that...
[22:17] <marshmn> but it doesn't seem easy
[22:17] <marshmn> the Dell XPS 15 looks pretty decent - I'm actually worried by whether the screen res is too high... is Linux ready for HiDPI yet (really)?
[22:22] <ali1234> no
[22:23] <penguin42> marshmn: Which is the 1440 - I'm used to thinkpads starting with a letter and then 3 digits
[22:24] <directhex> marshmn, you mean 440s?
[22:24] <directhex> T440s, even
[22:26] <directhex> i've used linux on T440s, and on other recent dells


[22:46] <Sveta`> irclogs.ubuntu.com does not have a search box, is there source code for it available somewhere? how to add it?
[22:47] <wxl> Sveta`: http://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/
[22:48] <wxl> note that's for the html display, not the for the file structure
[22:51] <Sveta`> it has a search box already, "# the following needs some extra Apache setup to enable the CGI/WSGI script" "--searchbox", that could be handy except it has a warning ``The script can be easily abused to cause a denial of service attack; it parses all log files every time you perform a search.`` in the readme. hm
[22:57] <el> what are you trying to search for?
[22:57] <Sveta`> I wanted to find something I said yesterday. I then remembered it, but thought that a search box would be generally handy.
[22:57] <Unit193> Basically, site:irclogs.ubuntu.com search terms here  should do it fine.
[22:58] <wxl> of course if you're trying to find a common string that might suck :)
[22:58] <Sveta`> Unit193: I just did that with "sveta dnssec" search terms but that didn't bring up the yesterday conversation, presumably the crawler is not this quick or something
[22:59] <Sveta`> (and it does not sort results by date which is slightly inconvenient)
[23:00] <el> i generally ctrl+f and use the in-browser search
[23:01] <Sveta`> it splits logs at a different midnight than mine, which may make it a bit more challenging to find the information from 'my yesterday' which is 'your today or yesterday' or something similar :)
[23:02] <el> it's more funcitonal than enabling a search that would shut down the facility entirely though :)
[23:02] <dax> so use your client's irc logs?
[23:02] <wxl> ^^^
[23:02] <wxl> grepping a huge directory is pretty darn simple and quick
[23:02] <Sveta`> ya, I'll do that until I find something ddos-proof for everyone to use
[23:13] <Unit193> Seems pretty simple to change the date, hit ctrl+f and enter though.  YMMV, I guess.
[23:14] <dax> i always liked that some of the urls have # in them (escaped to %23) and this confuses the heck out of some browsers
[23:14] <dax> seems like it wouldn't be hard to strip that from filenames but what do i know


[06:00] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Security:: Episode 90 @ https://ubuntusecuritypodcast.org/episode-90/


[20:03] <SpecialK|Canon> Am I right in my understanding that https://dev.launchpad.net/Running is "running _the launchpad web app_" and not necessarily "all the other services that make up LP" (buildds and turnips etc.)?
[20:03] <SpecialK|Canon> (Waiting for it to finish atm)
[20:55] <wgrant> Right. There's HowToUseSoyuzLocally, HowToUseCodehostingLocally for the other bits
[20:55] <wgrant> Or names along those lines
[22:32] <cjwatson> I think that running turnip is only documented in its own README


[12:27] <gnomefreak> these feisty 64bit crashes seem to be mainly gtk_* in stack
[12:38] <gnomefreak> asac: bug92637 is a new feisty gtk theme change cause crash :)
[12:38] <gnomefreak> oops
[12:38] <gnomefreak> bug 92637
[12:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 92637 in firefox "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall()" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92637
[12:40] <asac> hmm
[12:40] <asac> let me see
[12:41] <asac> ok
[12:41] <asac> i did expect that
[12:41] <asac> lets wait and compare rate
[12:44] <gnomefreak> there are a bunch but they seeem to be differnet stacks
[12:45] <gnomefreak> can https://beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bugs?field.searchtext=IM_get_input_context&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=Unconfirmed&field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.status%3Alist=In+Progress&field.status%3Alist=Needs+Info&field.status%3Alist=Fix+Committed&field.assignee=&field.owner=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package= these be marked dupe of the master?
[12:47] <gnomefreak> beta is takiing forever :(
[12:50] <gnomefreak> ok let me know ill fix it tomorrow.
[01:00] <poningru> ot: anyone have any exp with libnotify?
[01:52] <asac> hmm
[01:52] <asac> can we find out if troll Walter has any bugs reported
[01:52] <asac> and close them?
[01:52] <asac> he is just trolling around
[01:52] <asac> This seems to go back to my original comment that possibly some
[01:52] <asac> experimental code was released into the Ubuntu dist of Firefox. While
[01:52] <asac> this would be expected with Feisty given it's experimental nature right
[01:52] <asac> now.
[01:53] <asac> "It won't become official till early April"
[01:53] <asac> It shouldn't or rather installations in Edgy should not be exhibiting
[01:53] <asac> similiar behavior unless the error is common in the Firefox code itself
[01:53] <asac> (not related to the system it's built upon). Maybe I'll try to run a
[01:53] <asac> comparitive analysis on the dumps here when I get some free time.
[01:53] <asac> he drops length stories to random crash bugs
[01:53] <asac> lengthy
[02:24] <asac> night
[02:25] <asac> did we ever get to know how we can get rid of the "Backtrace stopped: frame did not save the PC" thing?
[02:34] <poningru> asac: rofl
[02:34] <poningru> asac: there is this guy on bmo called wellander
[02:35] <poningru> who I think is the same guy
[03:35] <rhelmer> wellander has been trolling mozilla since forevar
[03:36] <rhelmer> they seem well-intentioned i guess
[03:36] <rhelmer> he argued in #developers for like half an hour about how he's on redhat 7 and will not upgrade, about a month or two ago
[03:36] <Ubugtu> Red Hat bug 7 in tin "tin has wrong mail spool directory compiled in" [Normal,Closed: nextrelease]  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=7
[03:36] <rhelmer> http://quotes.burntelectrons.org/search?query=tag%3Awellander
[04:04] <gnomefreak> he annoys me (walter) so i stoped looking at his comments for the most part and yes i have a way to see everybug he filed :)
[04:30] <poningru> rhelmer: didnt realize you were on here
[07:09] <gnomefreak> I HATE APPORT WITH A PASSION NOW!
[02:06] <asac> finally online ... lets see for how long :(
[02:06] <asac> connectivity problems
[02:08] <asac> i feel like in stoneage
[03:14] <gnomefreak> asac: connection issues?
[03:36] <gnomefreak> Thats strange. if dpkg-buildpackage reads /debian/patches/00list that why would i have to remove the patch from /debian/patches
[03:38] <gnomefreak> ignore that i was cd'ed into ~/.Trash for some strange reason
[03:57] <gnomefreak> yay its building :)
[04:08] <gnomefreak> without build-deps it would fail during ./configure right?
[05:38] <gnomefreak> asac: still having connection issues?
[07:15] <gnomefreak> i cant believe the ff3.0 source is not avalible at all
[09:24] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah ... think this will last at least for the night :(
[09:34] <hjmf>  asac: new gtk crash variant on bug 92727?
[09:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 92727 in firefox "[feisty]  Firefox Crashed [@IA__gtk_style_apply_default_background] " [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92727
[09:58] <gnomefreak> btw today sucks


[00:06]  * Sven_vB goes study the manpage.
[00:11] <GunArm> I renamed my server (a year ago) but i'm still seeing the old name come through in certain situations (like for example how it identifies itself to my router/DHCP) can anyone help me figure out how to scrub the traces of that old name?
[00:12] <GunArm> actually, maybe I'm confusing this with a different machine
[00:12] <GunArm> ignore me pls
[00:12] <sarnold> sometimes those 'remembered bits' are actually on the dhcp server
[00:13] <oerheks> router lease ..
[00:14] <sarnold> I once had such a huge problem getting some *hardware* to work that I named the server 'lilbastard' or something similar, figuring it'd be five minutes to change it when it was all set up... it was not. I couldn't track down all the places that knew that name, and wound up needing to reinstall from scratch after wiping the disk. great fun. great lesson.
[00:14] <GunArm> no it's a new connection (switched router), maybe I never changed it at all, /etc/hostname has the old name still
[00:15] <sarnold> ahh :)
[00:15] <GunArm> do you usually set the hostname to an fqdn, or just the first bit?
[00:17] <GunArm> i bet before I just ran sudo hostname foo and it only lasted until the restart
[00:19] <sarnold> I only ever set the first part -- none of my machines have internet-reachable names anyway :(
[00:20] <GunArm> sarnold btw re: lilbastard, if you think linux has lots of places, mac is worse
[00:20] <Sven_vB> GunArm, the default (boot time) hostname is in /etc/hostname afaik
[00:20] <GunArm> i had to port an client application to mac one time, part of it was about reporting it's pc name to an application server, which on windows is like there THE HOSTNAME
[00:21] <GunArm> mac has like 3 different competing things that want to be that, and can have independant values
[00:21] <sarnold> GunArm: this was an SCO system; not even their UnixWare product, but the horrible thing that predated UnixWare
[00:22] <leftyfb> GunArm: sudo hostnamectl set-hostname <new-hostname>
[00:22] <Sven_vB> GunArm, one of my VPS has h28#####.st###r.net in /etc/hostname so I guess FQDN
[00:23] <GunArm> leftyfb Sven_vB thanks!
[00:24] <Sven_vB> GunArm, same format in /etc/mailname
[00:24] <GunArm> oo didn't think to look at that one
[00:25] <Sven_vB> best ls /etc/*name :)
[00:25] <GunArm> good call
[01:16] <Greenfrog> i installed guiscrcpy, enabled debugging, connected my android phone to my laptop ubuntu 20.04 sees the phone i can move files, but clicking the start button on the gui says scrcpy dosnt find any devices
[01:17] <oerheks> Greenfrog, via snap?
[01:17] <Greenfrog> yes
[01:17] <Greenfrog> ver 3.9
[01:17] <oerheks> check softwarecenter > installed > snapname > permissions
[01:17] <Greenfrog> ok thanks
[01:18] <oerheks> * universal answer to connection and permission issues, files/mic/webcam..
[01:21] <oerheks> should work ootb, adb build in .. https://snapcraft.io/install/guiscrcpy/ubuntu
[01:27] <Greenfrog> wow, that was it. i didnt know i needed to give permissions in ubuntu, it works now big THANK YOU :)
[01:27] <oerheks> have fun!
[01:27] <Greenfrog> you made my day :)
[01:28] <sarnold> oh is that a gui thing to connect the snap things?
[01:28]  * sarnold things ALL the things
[01:28] <oerheks> yes, unhandy place for snap permissions, some give a dozen...
[01:29] <sarnold> I didn't even know we had a gui for it. whatever it is is probably easier than trying to find the snapcraft page about it, hehe
[01:29] <oerheks> yeah, no install --classic anymore
[01:30] <oerheks> still, there are a lot of options for snap package developers
[01:31] <oerheks> where does flatpack store these credentials? hmm?
[01:34] <sarnold> oerheks: something like this? https://github.com/flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal/issues/311
[01:35] <oerheks> hmm that would be nice too, to keyring.
[01:36] <oerheks> not sure snaps have that option too..
[01:39] <sarnold> https://snapcraft.io/docs/password-manager-service-interface
[01:39] <sarnold> I wonder what it grants
[01:43] <Sven_vB> is "desktop containment" meant as a sandbox in the security meaning?
[01:43] <Sven_vB> or rather just compatibility?
[01:46] <sarnold> Sven_vB: I think the hope is that when wayland is more mature, it'll be able to provide some security
[01:46] <sarnold> Sven_vB: but in the meantime, this probably still works https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/42320.html
[01:46] <Sven_vB> ok
[02:09] <cgi> does anyone know what landscape on premise price is, for more than 10 machines?
[02:13] <sarnold> cgi: I *think* that landscape on-prem might be as low as $25/year for desktops, https://buy.ubuntu.com/collections/ubuntu-advantage-for-infrastructure-essential -- servers and vms are more
[02:23] <forest> Is there someplace I can look up package version numbers that were in EOL ubuntu releases? I'm trying to isolate a bug that was introduced in ubuntu disco, and it would help if I knew the version numbers of a certain package in both cosmic and disco, so I could narrow down the search in the package's upstream git.
[02:24] <mason> forest: https://packages.ubuntu.com/
[02:24] <sarnold> forest: old packages are on http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/
[02:25] <sarnold> forest: and it's not super convenient, but each release has a mail list like this one https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/disco-changes/
[02:26] <sarnold> forest: the ../dists/ directory of that mirror link would let you get to the Packages files with the version number to release mapping.. that may or may not be less pain than the -changes/ lists
[02:32] <forest> sarnold: Thank you. http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/**/Packages.xz contained the version numbers I needed.
[02:32] <sarnold> nice
[02:32]  * mason mopes.
[02:32] <sarnold> aww :(
[02:32] <sarnold> sorry mason
[02:32] <mason> heh
[02:38] <cgi> sarnold, I thought if i am running on premise, it wont be per instance based - it would be per server that runs landscape - I am guessing that is not true?
[02:51] <leagris> Can you help with rfkill: input handler disabled and then enabled and loosing keyboard input in Ubuntu 20.04 LTS? When it happens I have no choice but reboot.
[03:26] <Dr_Coke> Hey everybody Ubuntu 20.04 Cinnamon Remix rocks
[03:26] <Dr_Coke> Anybody in here from that project
[03:31] <Leo-G> Hello
[03:34] <xyrulo> hello, i'm trying to get a dual boot setup going and i'm having a bit of trouble. windows boot manager is an option in my grub, but it only brings up the recovery mode diagnostics screen, and the only way to get into windows is to manually boot it from the bios
[05:25] <Intelo> Can I install a browser only on top of ubuntu-server? A browser only I mean?
[05:25] <Intelo> and then run it via putty too as in terminal?
[05:28] <matsaman> Intelo: a graphical browser using X?
[05:28] <matsaman> Intelo: or would a text mode browser suffice?
[05:29] <Intelo> matsaman, graphical browser
[05:29] <Intelo> like firefox, chrome
[05:30] <TwistedBlizzard> Hi all, I posted about this issue here a couple of days ago but I have some more information. More often than not, when I log in, I get an error message saying that Samba has crashed. The title is "smbd crashed with SIGABRT in __strlen_avx2()" I've only been getting this crash since I installed the latest update about a week ago. The share still
[05:30] <TwistedBlizzard> seems to be up but I've experienced some issues when transferring files to the share from Windows where it will tell me that the transfer has failed and would I like to retry.
[05:30] <matsaman> Intelo: you can install one, but it's a huge faux pas on a _server_
[05:31] <Intelo> matsaman, why huge?
[05:33] <oerheks> !info xvfb
[05:33] <Intelo> matsaman, I want to keep it minimalistic
[05:34] <Intelo> oerheks, so I do not need X11/xorg? just xvfb (which I assume is lightweight) and firefox? thats it? I can browse with putty?
[05:35] <oerheks> for static and 2d effects, it can be doen..
[05:35] <oerheks> c/done
[05:35] <TwistedBlizzard> Am I experiencing this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/1514766
[05:36] <Intelo> oerheks, I want real browser experience. Youtube, videos, etc
[05:37] <oerheks> https://dingyuliang.me/ubuntu-run-xfvb-systemd/
[05:37] <oerheks> Intelo, youtube? no
[05:37] <matsaman> Intelo: because it won't be minimalistic
[05:37] <matsaman> Intelo: and the more software you have the less secure or reliable a system is
[05:37] <matsaman> and on top of that
[05:37] <Intelo> oerheks, why not?
[05:37] <matsaman> if you put a graphical browser on a server -- people will use it
[05:37] <matsaman> to go to torrent sites and porn sites and malware sites
[05:37] <oerheks> ehm, go try it out.
[05:38] <Intelo> oerheks, matsaman actaully I am doing it for my laptop. I am sick of GUI chashes. and heavy load. My main work is browser that i cannot replace. I can replace all other things with terminal
[05:38] <Intelo> I don't need a desktop
[05:38] <Intelo> Just browser
[05:40] <matsaman> Intelo: you should try Debian, then; Ubuntu doesn't have a stable branch
[05:40] <matsaman> the server branch is not a stable branch, it's just a server config
[05:40] <matsaman> but heavy load, you could try lubuntu or something
[05:43] <Intelo> oerheks, matsaman ok, what performance difference will I get if I delete kde and only have xorg/x11?
[05:44] <matsaman> Intelo: on an older system you might see a real difference
[05:44] <matsaman> but you may as well have a window manager and some things; perhaps you weren't actually planning on omitting those
[05:45] <matsaman> not much point loading just X without a window manager unless you're trying to squeeze every last bit for a game or some kind of nonsense
[05:45] <Intelo> yes, x11, handfull of things like dolphin, ktorrent, firefox, chrome, hexchat, thats it
[05:46] <Intelo> oerheks, matsaman  what do you think?
[05:46] <matsaman> well you can't really run dolphin or ktorrent probably without KDE stuff
[05:47] <matsaman> but you could get workalikes that are lighter
[05:47] <matsaman> people have done that for ages, it's always been a sound approach
[05:47] <matsaman> light wm, just the gui apps you need
[05:47] <matsaman> try deluge for a fairly agnostic GUI torrent client
[05:48] <matsaman> for a file manager ... man, maybe pcmanfm?
[05:48] <matsaman> or spacefm?
[05:48] <matsaman> there are a few GUI ones with staying power that are DE agnostic
[05:49] <Intelo> hm
[05:49] <Intelo> thanks
[05:49] <Intelo> will read
[05:49] <Intelo> good night
[07:54] <moritzdietz> I know there was this command where I can have bash run multiple commands at the same time. Like sharding.. but I can't remember what it was
[07:54] <moritzdietz> anybody have an idea?
[07:57] <mgedmin> command1 & command2 & command 3?
[07:57] <moritzdietz> nah
[07:57] <mgedmin> gnu parallel?
[07:57] <moritzdietz> I found gnu parallel
[07:58] <moritzdietz> yeah
[07:58] <moritzdietz> probably that
[07:58] <moritzdietz> yup that was it - I remember the icon for that project
[07:58] <moritzdietz> thanks mgedmin
[08:17] <spagettios> one thing im still confused about is whether linux terminal emulater and command prompt are both what you would call "cli" can some one explain please
[08:17] <salty-horse> can anyone test this on focal? 1) start gnome-terminal. 2) start vim with "gvim --clean". it will launch and detach itself from the terminal. 3) quit gnome-terminal while gvim is still running. result: there will be a delay of 5 seconds before the terminal will quit.
[08:17] <spagettios> also are they both shell
[08:20] <spagettios> found a man all gud
[08:21] <salty-horse> spagettios, they're mostly synonymous, but in actuality a terminal emulator is just understands how to receive input and display text. a "shell" is the program you run in a terminal which lets you type and run commands
[08:21] <spagettios> http://linuxcommand.org/lc3_lts0010.php
[08:21] <spagettios> acurate historically but not now, fair assesment
[08:22] <spagettios> and thanks for repying
[08:23] <salty-horse> it wasn't accurate historically. terminals used to be computer-like machines (a screen and a keyboard) that communicated with a remote computer that ran your shell
[08:23] <spagettios> thats strictly speaking what a termial is right
[08:23] <salty-horse> the only difference now is that terminal emulators are programs, and you run the shell on the same machine
[08:23] <spagettios> an computer and keyboard in one lol saw a pic
[08:23] <salty-horse> they're still separate things
[08:24] <spagettios> yup
[08:25] <spagettios> whats the diff between the different ones like ksh and bash sh zsh etc
[08:25] <salty-horse> a shell reads the commands you type, indicating a program, and asks the operating system to execute that program. the various ones lets you have command history, command completion, have their own internal scripting languages with different syntax, have different keyboard shortcuts
[08:26] <salty-horse> if you're a programmer, you can try writing your own shell to read commands and run them, to see what it takes to make even a simple shell, and how far it can branch off from there
[08:26] <spagettios> interesting the part about scipting syntax
[08:27] <salty-horse> e.g. csh uses a c-like syntax. bash uses the classic bourne-shell-like syntax. they're quite different
[08:27] <spagettios> where can i learn more about that and how it relates to why you would choose one over another
[08:27] <spagettios> usecases and stuff
[08:28] <spagettios> is bash a programing lagnuage
[08:28] <salty-horse> spagettios, it's more a matter of preference than usecase. all shells have their own internal programming language
[08:28] <spagettios> C is re C like syntax no?
[08:29] <salty-horse> I don't understand the question about C
[08:29] <spagettios> csh reference
[08:30] <salty-horse> sorry, please write a whole question
[08:31] <salty-horse> I was inaccurate about it being a matter of preference. if you want you "shell script" to be compatible with many different machines, you need to write in "bourne shell". this shell is what most computers have at /bin/sh and are likely to have it. bash is "bourne shell" compatible with some added stuff. in ubuntu, the bourne shell program used is called "dash" but it's also available as to /bin/sh
[08:33] <spagettios> thanks for that i was trying to refrase the question but getting bogged down i blah blah and getting no where
[08:33] <InnovAnon-Inc> CSH is supposedly C-like syntax. I don't think it's very C-like... also it's not really common on linux. It's more of a BSD thing. #! /usr/bin/env tcc is as C as it gets for a shell.
[08:34] <spagettios> got ya
[08:34] <Saviq> webmind: hey, I was away yesterday - virt-manager will be able to see the Multipass-driven VMs
[08:34] <Saviq> webmind: let me know what's your use case and I can hopefully suggest whether Multipass is a good fit :)
[08:34] <salty-horse> InnovAnon-Inc, yes. sorry for being vague
[08:34] <spagettios> if its C like in syntax, does that mean something written in C would work on that shell
[08:34] <spagettios> csh
[08:35] <salty-horse> no
[08:35] <spagettios> or just bits
[08:35] <spagettios> o
[08:35] <salty-horse> not even bits. it's just syntax inspired by c
[08:36] <InnovAnon-Inc> use tcc as a shell if you're trying to run C as a script. CSH isn't C.
[08:36] <spagettios> could you please give me an example am a little confused
[08:36] <spagettios> about the syntax inspired
[08:37] <spagettios> do you mean like for instance some config files conform to regex standard (perhaps bad example but im only learning the basics)
[08:38] <salty-horse> spagettios, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_shell#More_like_C
[08:38] <spagettios> sorry cheers man
[08:40] <salty-horse> you can csh is still similar to bourne, by using $ in front of variables, but it uses parentheses instead of square brackets, and different keywords for code blocks (endif instead of fi)
[08:41] <spagettios> cool
[08:42] <spagettios> my scripts are pretty lol one line with a tee or a | i have used if of before in dd, what does fi and endif do in those programs
[08:42] <salty-horse> also bourne shell uses a separate command called /bin/[ (also called /bin/test) to evaluate expressions. it's a fake-out. it's not really "square brackets" syntax. in csh, this evaluation with parentheses internal to the shell
[08:42] <salty-horse> fi and endif just tell the shell "this is where the 'if' block ends"
[08:42] <spagettios> is it just stoping the program from looping=allow it to end
[08:42] <webmind> Saviq: wat are multipass vm's?
[08:43] <salty-horse> not the program.. just the code that you want to run if the "if" expression is true (or false, if you use "else")
[08:43] <Saviq> webmind: basically http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/ (and then some) - have a look at https://multipass.run/docs
[08:43] <Saviq> webmind: rather than downloading images and/or installing from .isos you `multipass launch 18.04`
[08:44] <salty-horse> spagettios, these are called "flow control": http://linuxcommand.org/lc3_wss0080.php
[08:44] <spagettios> i could kiss you
[08:45] <spagettios> been on my todo list for ever
[08:45] <spagettios> im bookmarking this page and finishing it
[08:45] <spagettios> lol i meant site
[08:46] <b1ack0p> hi
[08:46] <b1ack0p> i just installed ubuntu 20/04 but grub doesnt show up at boot
[08:46] <b1ack0p> dual booting with windows
[08:46] <b1ack0p> i think some packages changed in new version
[08:46] <b1ack0p> how can i restore grub?
[08:47] <InnovAnon-Inc> did you try grub-install from your linux system?
[08:47] <b1ack0p> yes
[08:48] <b1ack0p> $ sudo grub-installInstalling for i386-pc platform.grub-install: error: install device isn't specified.
[08:48] <b1ack0p> also i tried grub2-common it says grub already installed
[08:49] <b1ack0p> grub2-common is already the newest version (2.04-1ubuntu26).0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 195 not upgraded.
[08:49] <spagettios> tried smashing that F8 key during
[08:49] <InnovAnon-Inc> 'install device isn't specified' => did you try specifying the device?
[08:49] <b1ack0p> there was a package named boot-repair does it still exist?
[08:50] <b1ack0p> InnovAnon-Inc how can i specify the device?
[08:50] <InnovAnon-Inc> !grub-install
[08:50] <InnovAnon-Inc> #grub-install
[08:50] <InnovAnon-Inc> crap.  grub-install [OPTION...] [OPTION] [INSTALL_DEVICE]
[08:50] <InnovAnon-Inc> grub-install /dev/sda, for example
[08:51] <b1ack0p> ah right
[08:51] <mgedmin> b1ack0p: is your bios using UEFI or legacy boot?  because i386-pc is legacy boot
[08:51] <mgedmin> and modern machines tend to use UEFI
[08:51] <b1ack0p> Installing for i386-pc platform.grub-install: error: failed to get canonical path of `/cow'.
[08:52] <b1ack0p> mgedmin bios
[08:52] <mgedmin> are you running grub-install from a livecd session?
[08:52] <mgedmin> it needs some additional arguments then (or you could do it in a chroot of your actual ubuntu installation)
[08:52] <b1ack0p> mgedmin yes
[08:53] <b1ack0p> in livecd
[08:54] <EriC^^> b1ack0p: is your ubuntu install uefi or legacy? pastebin 'sudo parted -ls'
[08:54] <mgedmin> b1ack0p: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#via_the_LiveCD_terminal
[08:55] <mgedmin> (wiki page last updated in 2015, hope nothing changed since then!)
[08:55] <b1ack0p> EriC^^  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Cw37qv4p93/
[08:55] <EriC^^> b1ack0p: looks like legacy
[08:56] <EriC^^> b1ack0p: type 'sudo mount /dev/sda3 /mnt'
[08:56] <b1ack0p> EriC^^ done
[08:56] <b1ack0p> it is kinda old laptop yes
[08:57] <b1ack0p> isnt this correct? sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[08:58] <mgedmin> uh, don't do that
[08:58] <EriC^^> b1ack0p: try "sudo grub-install --recheck --boot-directory=/mnt/boot/grub /dev/sda"
[08:58] <mgedmin> your grub.cfg should be correct, the problem is the BIOS is loading the windows boot loader instead of grub
[08:58] <EriC^^> 1 sec
[08:58] <EriC^^> b1ack0p: try "sudo grub-install --recheck --target=i386-pc --boot-directory=/mnt/boot/grub /dev/sda"
[08:59] <b1ack0p> EriC^^  Installing for i386-pc platform.Installation finished. No error reported.
[08:59] <EriC^^> b1ack0p: ok, just run a quick 'ls /mnt/boot/grub/grub.cfg' does that exist?
[08:59] <b1ack0p> yes /mnt/boot/grub/grub.cfg
[09:00] <EriC^^> ok, try rebooting
[09:00] <b1ack0p> thanks
[09:00] <b1ack0p> i am rebooting see ya
[09:00] <EriC^^> np, ok
[09:00] <mgedmin> hey isn't it supposed to be --boot-directory=/mnt/boot ?
[09:00] <mgedmin> the man page of grub-install says it'll add the /grub to it
[09:00] <EriC^^> mgedmin: ah good point
[09:10] <b1ack0p> it didnt work
[09:10] <b1ack0p> EriC^^  it opened a black grub command line
[09:10] <b1ack0p> but no boot options
[09:10] <b1ack0p> i think the command we did was missing something
[09:12] <EriC^^> b1ack0p: yeah sorry about that
[09:13] <EriC^^> b1ack0p: try "sudo grub-install --recheck --target=i386-pc --boot-directory=/mnt/boot /dev/sda"
[09:13] <b1ack0p> it s ok
[09:13] <EriC^^> b1ack0p: type 'sudo mount /dev/sda3 /mnt'
[09:13] <EriC^^> mount it first then run the grub-install command
[09:13] <b1ack0p> ok
[09:13] <b1ack0p> and then reboot?
[09:14] <EriC^^> yea
[09:14] <b1ack0p> ok see ya
[09:20] <mgedmin> what does --recheck do for grub-install?  the man page says "delete device map if it already exists", but that's clear as mud
[09:22] <neure> hi
[09:23] <neure> it seems my python has somehow rotten in ~/.local
[09:23] <InnovAnon-Inc> typical
[09:23] <neure> how do I reset it?
[09:23] <InnovAnon-Inc> rm -rf ~/.local
[09:24] <neure> how safe is that?
[09:27] <InnovAnon-Inc> hmm.... I've got a bunch of other stuff in .local. nothing python related, bc python is crap and I don't run it on my host if I can help it. just delete the python stuff.
[09:40] <smallville7123> are there any drivers for MacOS?
[09:40] <smallville7123> are there any drivers for Macbook's?
[09:43] <b1ack0p> EriC^^: thanks a lot it grub restored now
[09:43] <b1ack0p> but it has black screen
[09:43] <b1ack0p> how can i restore the original purple back?
[09:46] <Hamilton> Suppose I apt install package. How to see every single place that apt has put something related of package into? Like binary, manpages, everything
[09:47] <smallville7123> think its apt -QS
[09:47] <smallville7123> not sure
[09:48] <smallville7123> is this normal? http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu disco-security Release   404  Not Found [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[09:48] <smallville7123> im using Ubuntu 19.04
[09:49] <EriC^^> b1ack0p: hmm it might be a setting in the /etc/default/grub
[09:49] <EriC^^> pastebin it
[09:50] <PaulW2U> smallville7123: Ubuntu 19.04 (disco) reached end-of-life on January 23, 2020
[09:50] <smallville7123> aw ;-;
[09:51] <smallville7123> would i need 20.04
[09:51] <smallville7123> PaulW2U:
[09:51] <b1ack0p> EriC^^:  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yTWCR4qnvx/
[09:52] <PaulW2U> smallville7123: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades or install a supported release
[09:53] <smallville7123> ok
[09:53] <smallville7123> ill download and boot version 20.04
[09:56] <EriC^^> b1ack0p: hmm try 'dpkg - l | grep grub | nc termbin.com 9999'
[09:58] <smallville7123> as at the moment im tethering wifi via android lol
[09:58] <InnovAnon-Inc> b1ack0p, check whether /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme exists
[10:09] <b1ack0p> InnovAnon-Inc: it exists
[10:19] <cjoke> I have a usb2 audiocard that my laptop that uses ubuntu20.04 fire up xhci controller, it works flawlessly, I also have a pc with ubuntu 20.04 with usb3 hw inputs aswell, pc fire up echi controller where I cant load the internal mixer. Question: is there a way to force audiocard to use xhci controller instead of ehci ? where should I look ? udev?
[10:22] <cjoke> I have tried with sudo setpci -H1 -d 1033:0194 d0.l=1 where 1033:0194 is the NEC usbdevice id, but it doesent work, no error msg either.
[10:24] <cjoke> I dont know where to look. Ive tried enable/disable usb2 usb3 controller ehci handoff, plug n play os yes/no, all kind of stuff in the bios aswell.
[10:24] <cjoke> no luck in forum either. now Im kinda very low on energy, I need love :)
[10:25] <cjoke> just point me in the right direction, pls :)
[10:25] <lotuspsychje> !patience | cjoke
[10:39] <EriC^^> b1ack0p: try to run sudo update-grub again
[10:39] <b1ack0p> ok
[10:40] <p4r4kovsky> guys why is it impossible to permanently map caps lock as home under gnome in ubuntu
[10:40] <b1ack0p> brb to reboot
[10:43] <b1ack0p> no luck
[10:43] <b1ack0p> grub is still white on black
[10:45] <EriC^^> b1ack0p: dont know if this is related but is grub gfx payload installed?
[10:45] <EriC^^> try dpkg -l | grep grub
[10:46] <b1ack0p> dont know
[10:47] <b1ack0p> EriC^^: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QThjr8R3Rc/
[10:49] <b1ack0p> it is installed
[10:49] <oerheks> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1876943\
[10:51] <oerheks> how odd ...
[10:51] <b1ack0p> so is background related with this bug:
[10:51] <b1ack0p> ?
[10:51] <oerheks> there is no i386 package..
[10:51] <oerheks> https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/grub2-common
[10:51] <oerheks> so, are you trying to install the i386 version over amd64 or something like that?
[10:51] <b1ack0p> so ubuntu is forgetting old devices?
[10:51] <b1ack0p> oh yes
[10:51] <oerheks> are you on ubuntu?
[10:51] <b1ack0p> i have 64bit
[10:52] <b1ack0p> yes i am
[10:52] <b1ack0p> 20.04 fresh installed some hrs ago
	$ sudo grub-installInstalling for i386-pc platform.grub-install: error: install device isn't specified.
[10:54] <oerheks> but you have 64 bit...
[10:55] <oerheks> .. interesting
[10:56] <mgedmin> grub is weird
[10:56] <b1ack0p> oerheks: so should i remove and install 64bit:
[10:56] <b1ack0p> ?
[10:57] <mgedmin> for legacy boot there's only i386-pc; it works for 64-bit oses too
[10:57] <akik> b1ack0p: you didn't specify the device
[10:57] <b1ack0p> i did /dev/sda
[10:57] <b1ack0p> grub is working but background is black
[10:58] <b1ack0p> doesnt show ubuntu purple
[10:58] <mgedmin> to change grub background you don't need to reinstall grub
[10:58] <akik> the error message literally says you didn't
[10:58] <b1ack0p> or how it is on ubuntu 20.04
[10:58] <mgedmin> you need to edit grub.cfg
[10:58] <mgedmin> in ubuntu 20.04 grub background was changed to black, to better fit with flicker-free boot
[10:58] <b1ack0p> akik: which one=
[10:58] <akik> 11:48 < b1ack0p> $ sudo grub-installInstalling for i386-pc platform.grub-install: error: install device isn't specified.
[10:58] <b1ack0p> mgedmin: so black is default in 20.04 ?
[10:58] <b1ack0p> akik: it was before
[10:59] <b1ack0p> while grub didnt work
[10:59] <b1ack0p> now it is working
[10:59] <b1ack0p> how to check if it s installed properly=
[10:59] <b1ack0p> ?
[11:00] <akik> b1ack0p: it says "Installation finished. No error reported." when it's successful
[11:00] <b1ack0p> akik: yea i saw that after installation
[11:00] <b1ack0p> so it is working properly
[11:00] <akik> i guess?
[11:00] <b1ack0p> i guess too
[11:00] <b1ack0p> so about background black is default=
[11:00] <b1ack0p> ?
[11:01] <b1ack0p> black was grubs default btw
[11:01] <b1ack0p> so ubuntu didnt paint it in new version?
[11:04] <mgedmin> it was purple in older releases and now it's black in 20.04
[11:05] <b1ack0p> paint it black :p
[11:05] <b1ack0p> okk
[11:31] <TeleGhost> when I write password in to login field it doesn't catch all symbols. Anyone knows where's the problem?
[11:34] <TeleGhost> I use FireFox.
[11:40] <mra90> where I can locate zlib-devel?
[11:46] <cjoke> mra90: you want o see all the packages zlib-devel comes with and where to find them in the system?
[11:50] <mra90> yes for the ubuntu
[11:52] <cjoke> hmm, seems like zlib have a different name in ubuntu, zlib1g and zlib1g-dev, if I guess right.
[11:53] <cjoke> so if you want to see where files from packages are installed, you use dpkg -L zlib1g-dev
[12:06] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:07] <leagris> Can you help with rfkill: input handler disabled and then enabled and loosing keyboard input in Ubuntu 20.04 LTS? When it happens I have no choice but reboot.
[12:08] <leagris> This computer has worked nicely with all versions of Ubuntu since 2009. And now it is having this blocking issue with 20.04
[12:34] <herol3oy> hi. anyone has any clue why my laptop speakers don't show here in kazam? https://pasteboard.co/JasFaLk.png (when I record screen, there's no sound in the recorded video!!)
[13:31] <c59fdbdcfe7c>  #unity3d
[13:32] <c59fdbdcfe7c> sorry, wrong window :s
[13:40] <Funkmeldekopf> Hallo
[13:40] <luna_> hi
[13:40] <Funkmeldekopf> Hi
[13:43] <smallville7123> how do i get my Macbook Pro 2012 Touchpad to work properly without stopping every few seconds
[13:44] <EmmaT> after I run
[13:44] <EmmaT> echo 'j ALL=(ALL:ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL' > /etc/sudoers.d/sudo.nopass.sh
[13:44] <EmmaT> i would like to reload the sudoer
[13:44] <EmmaT> but i am still being prompted for password
[13:45] <leftyfb> EmmaT: log out and back in
[13:45] <EmmaT> i am on docker
[13:45] <EmmaT> do i need to do that ?
[13:46] <EmmaT> no way to restart the service ?
[13:46] <leftyfb> EmmaT: try #docker
[13:46] <EmmaT> it is an ubuntu thing
[13:46] <EmmaT> sudo service sudo restart
[13:46] <EmmaT> does not work no more it seems
[13:46] <EmmaT> https://askubuntu.com/questions/665950/do-we-need-to-reboot-after-adding-an-user-to-sudoers
[13:46] <legreffier> EmmaT: no.
[13:47] <legreffier> just log back in.
[13:47] <leftyfb> EmmaT: if logging out and back in doesn't work, then it's a docker thing, not an ubuntu thing
[13:49] <legreffier> EmmaT: what are you actually trying to do ?
[13:49] <Sven_vB> anyone familiar with RandR? I'd like xfce to use the right half of the screen. "xrandr --fb 512x600 --output LVDS1 --mode 512x600 --transform 1,0,512,0,1,0,0,0,1" -> "xrandr: specified screen 512x600 not large enough for output LVDS1 (512x600+512+0)" what does it mean? I tried with --fb 1024x600 but same error just with 1024 everywhere except the +.
[13:55] <InnovAnon-Inc> from the #docker channel: don't put dots in the sudoers.d/* filenames
[13:57] <legreffier> (disabling passwords on sudo on a workstation, is a really bad idea)
[13:59] <tavish> hi, I'm on 20.04 and I don't see any way for me to set a timeout for keyring. Am I looking at the wrong place?
[14:09] <b1ack0p> the only thing i hate about gnome is that there is no "show desktop" icon on dock/panels..
[14:10] <mgedmin> well, in gnome the desktop is empty and there's nothing to see there; it's a bit strange that ubuntu patches in the desktop icons extension but no dock button for showing the desktop
[14:17] <matix-io> Hi everyone.. I've been having some problems with my laptop (running Kubuntu 20.04). I suspect they are actually hardware issues and am just looking for tips on how to diagnose them. It started with my NIC.. sometimes the interface would just disappear. Now the same is happening with my Bluetooth.. it just disappears (hcitool dev shows no devices).
[14:17] <matix-io> Sometimes when I reboot they will show for a little while. This is lower than my standard level of knowledge.. How can I try to debug this?
[14:29] <b3lt3r> afternoon. I am trying to find a guide to booting a Raspberry Pi3 using an NFS mounted root disk running Ubuntu 20.04
[14:32] <b3lt3r> I have found some but they are for a "normal" machine and talk a lot about NFS and PXE which I don't think is relevant to a Pi
[14:33] <b3lt3r> I've posted a query in the Pi forum covering Ubuntu but no response as yet
[14:34] <waveform> b3lt3r, we don't support net-booting ubuntu on the pi (yet) - I did notice your post on the forums but I'm afraid I'm rather behind responding to stuff on there this week
[14:35] <b3lt3r> ah ok - thanks for letting me know. It sounds like it will happen so I'll do the PoC on Raspian for now and see how reliable it is. I always remember sys admins at my co swearing at stale NFS mounts which would be bad on a root disk so I am wary :-)
[14:36] <waveform> b3lt3r, unfortunately there's all sorts of issues with getting u-boot (surprise surprise, the usual culprit) to support the various modes the pi firmware supports (both NFS and USB MSD are currently blocked by this)
[14:37] <b3lt3r> not familiar with u-boot (other than seeing it mentioned in the other posts about "straight" SSD booting) but I'll trust you guys to do whatever can be done :-)
[14:37] <eater9> Hi -- I have some custom Xmodmap key settings and whenever I connect my laptop to a Bluetooth speaker, the custom keys get unset. Why / how can I stop it? Thanks!
[14:37] <b3lt3r> and be patient till then
[14:47] <DerHorst> matix-io: start here: https://vitux.com/view-system-log-files-ubuntu/
[14:48] <DerHorst> for example
[14:48] <DerHorst> for kde (used in kubuntu) there is a gui for log files "Ksystemlog"
[14:48] <coconut> Any way to show what kernel versions have been installed in the past?
[14:51] <DerHorst> coconut: command for listing all _currently_ installed (but maybe unused) kernels:   sudo dpkg --list | egrep -i --color 'linux-image|linux-headers'
[14:52] <DerHorst> no idea for old versions
[14:55] <coconut> ok thnx DerHors
[14:56] <Greenfrog> my android google browser version is <IP_ADDRESS>.arm Apk is this chrome?
[14:57] <leftyfb> Greenfrog: wrong channel?
[15:01] <Greenfrog> heh, ok didnt realize there was a chrome channel, thanks
[15:03] <coconut> Greenfrog, or #android
[15:03] <Greenfrog> thanks this is still all new to me :)
[15:04] <coconut> Greenfrog, use: /msg alis list <searchterm> ##to find a channel
[15:05] <Greenfrog> ok, i've searched in my limited way but thanks for the info
[15:18] <zetheroo> Is there any way to view the actual available space remaining on a network share mounted via SMB from a FreeNAS server in Ubuntu?
[15:21] <akem> zetheroo, Thunar displays it in the bottom bar.
[15:22] <zetheroo> akem: does it take into account the space used by snapshots on the ZFS dataset?
[15:23] <akem> zetheroo, No idea, i don't use ZFS. It just displays free space of the SMB mounts here.
[15:29] <Sven_vB> I found the required xrandr invocation: xrandr --fb 512x600 --output LVDS1 --mode 1024x600 --pos 512x0 # unfortunately, it seems like this is not a progress towards using the other half as an independent virtual screen.
[15:36] <davido_> Should snap refresh require sudo?
[15:37] <davido_> I guess if logged in the answer is no.
[15:38] <coventry> Are there any unofficial
[15:38] <coventry> ... er, unofficial bionic backports of gnupg2?
[15:39] <coventry> I think I need a feature from a later gpg version, but it seems the only version available is 2.2.4. And building it from source looks a little intricate.
[15:40] <leftyfb> !latest | coventry
[15:42] <coventry> Enh, it's a bad idea, anyway.
[15:42] <davido_> coventry: What version of Ubuntu are you on? 20.04 uses gpg 2.2.19
[15:46] <Sven_vB> meh, the mouse cursor is rendered without the transform. it's actions though, are transformed, i.e. it clicks 512px right of where the cursor is drawn. :/
[15:50] <Sven_vB> is there a program for making a "ghost" mouse cursor that follows the primary mouse cursor, with an offset?
[15:50] <Sven_vB> in Xenial or Focal
[15:51] <dreugeworst> Hi all, I just got a turtle beach atlas aero wireless headset, and while it is working fine on ubuntu 20.04, I'm running 18.04 on my work laptop and the microphone doesn't work. Audio output works fine, and both output and the microphone show up in the sound settings, but no input registers on the headset
[15:51] <coventry> davido_: I'm on 18.04.
[15:52] <dreugeworst> it's the same in pavucontrol, with input and output both showing and configuration being analog stereo duplex
[15:52] <dreugeworst> but in alsamixer, the usb device only shows possible outputs
[15:53] <akem> dreugeworst, Try in Audacity, you may have to change recording input in the preferences.
[15:55] <dreugeworst> audacity only registers a default input device, no option to change it
[15:55] <dreugeworst> and it doesn't record anything
[15:56] <Sven_vB> a similar mouse bug has been fixed in "xserver-1.20", does that refer to package xserver-xorg-core? thereof, my xenial has "Version: 2:1.18.4-0ubuntu0.8" so might be affected.
[15:57] <davido_> coventry: I just downloaded the gpg source, pulled in the dependency libraries (some of them required the -dev suffix via apt-get), and built from source using the typical mantra as described in the README: ./configure && make && make check && make install
[15:57] <Sven_vB> also what does the "2:" mean, at the beginning of 2:1.18.4-0ubuntu0.8?
[15:57] <davido_> So in all, it took just a few minutes and wasn't very fiddly.
[16:01] <hendursaga> Hi, is there some sort of PPA for a more up-to-date OpenGL/MESA? I just upgraded to 20.04 today but sadly my version is still too old for my needs.
[16:04] <coventry> Oh, sounds painless... Thanks, davido_
[16:04] <hendursaga> Or perhaps there isn't a solution, in that my graphics card is too old and doesn't support OpenGL 3.2 or higher? That's the minimum version I need.
[16:05] <eelstrebor> anyone know what causes this: fwupd[3794]: 15:03:34:0049 FuPluginUefi         failed
[16:06] <eelstrebor> it seems that it only happens on ubuntu 20.04
[16:10] <davido_> coventry: The hardest part was remembering that I needed the -dev versions of some of the required libraries. But ./configure.sh will complain about the missing libraries. Then apt list |grep $libname will find the possible candidates.
[16:19] <coventry> Thanks, davido_. I found some install instructions which were quite intricate, but what you describe sounds very manageable. I will give that a go.
[16:28] <RoseBus> where can i find my cuda lib64 file if it's not in /usr/local/cuda/lib64
[16:33] <Sasara> ty japanese drones
[16:33] <Sasara> tidal wave sir
[17:17] <ELFrederich> I'm on a brand new install of 20.04.  In FireFox I download Google Chrome's .deb package from google.com/chrome.  I select to open it with "Software Install".  Ubuntu Software gives me... "Failed to install file: not supported"
[17:21] <tonyt> ELFrederich chrome is not available in ubuntu's spftware center?
[17:22] <ELFrederich> tonyt: just Chromium
[17:22] <tonyt> oh ok
[17:22] <ELFrederich> It seems that this Software center itself is a snap and doesn't have access to /tmp
[17:22] <ELFrederich> ... which is where FireFox downloads when you open with "run"
[17:22] <ELFrederich> I'll try downloading it to ~/Download
[17:43] <jrgilman> Hey guys, I've been muddling through this since 18.04, but I've had substantial problems with pulseaudio recently (I'm on 20.04 now). Every 30 minutes or so the sound gets really "tinny" and crackly. Doing pulseaudio -k works, but it also breaks half of the applications that use audio/mic like slack etc so I end up having to full restart if i want to use those. I've noticed that if the problem is happening,
[17:43] <jrgilman> and I switch to a bluetooth headset instead of wired, it goes away. I was wondering if anyone knows what could be causing this?
[17:50] <legreffier> jrgilman: really difficult to know :/  can you reproduce the problem with just one source ?
[17:52] <legreffier> (ie. don't open slack , just put your browser on sandstorm or nyan cat 10h mix, and let it run)
[18:27] <Squarism> is Wayland default in 20.04?
[18:28] <c59fdbdcfe7c> nope
[18:34] <Sven_vB> jrgilman, with wired headphone, do you meam USB wire and integrated USB soundcard, or analog stereo audio?
[18:35] <Sven_vB> jrgilman, would be interesting what PA devices (and in which modes) there are before and after
[18:36] <Sven_vB> jrgilman, also do I understand correctly that BT and wired two separate headsets? (I have one that can act as both)
[18:37] <jrgilman> legreffier: that's a good idea, is there a log i can pull up during that?
[18:38] <jrgilman> I can run it over night and just collect the entire log
[18:38] <jrgilman> Sven_vB: wired as in your standard 2.5mm jack
[18:38] <jrgilman> the wired and bt headset is the same headset
[18:39] <jrgilman> also 3.5mm*
[18:40] <Sven_vB> oh, it has both sizes?
[18:40] <jrgilman> sorry no it doesn't I just messed up the "standard" size
[18:40] <jrgilman> should've said s/2.5mm/3.5mm/
[18:40] <jrgilman> to be more clear :)
[18:40] <Sven_vB> ok
[18:40] <jrgilman> It happens with other headsets too, and it happens through both my thunderbolt3 dock and the laptop's built in 2.5mm
[18:41] <jrgilman> god! 3.5mm*
[18:41] <Sven_vB> so the problem occurrs when you use it in analog audio mode via cable. is its BT electronics turned off while you do so?
[18:41] <jrgilman> yeah the electronics are off
[18:41] <jrgilman> it's been out of battery the last couple days
[18:41] <jrgilman> and i've been too lazy to charge it hehe
[18:42] <Sven_vB> does this effect happen only when a computer is used as analog audio source? can you compare it with a more "dumb" (and thus, more reliable) sound source?
[18:42] <jrgilman> uh i'm not sure I understand
[18:42] <Sven_vB> or could you maybe plug in and compare a more basic headset, that has no electronics that could mess up?
[18:43] <jrgilman> ah
[18:43] <jrgilman> definitely
[18:43] <jrgilman> let me grab a pair of ear phones
[18:43] <Sven_vB> debugging a scenario where only one side is a computer, is much easier. :)
[18:44] <jrgilman> would you like me to only use the laptop analog audio jack rather than the dock?
[18:44] <jrgilman> less in between?
[18:45] <Sven_vB> oh yeah, good idea
[18:45] <jrgilman> okay
[18:45] <jrgilman> is there any logging i should pull up? I have no known good way to reproduce the issue atm
[18:45] <jrgilman> so i'll just have to wait until it happens
[18:46] <Sven_vB> as long as disks are healthy and your system clock time is correct, all the log stuff we can check after the fact.
[18:46] <jrgilman> okay sounds good
[18:46] <jrgilman> darude sandstorm 10 hours here we go
[18:46] <Sven_vB> try to note the exact time (as reported by your Ubuntu) when it happens
[18:46] <jrgilman> will do
[18:47] <Sven_vB> and best make screenshots of all that pavucontrol can show
[18:47] <jrgilman> pavucontrol?
[18:47] <jrgilman> interesting never used it before
[18:47] <jrgilman> just opened it up
[18:47] <Sven_vB> oh, what did you use then?
[18:47] <jrgilman> for what?
[18:48] <Sven_vB> for device mode config and volume control
[18:48] <jrgilman> just settings > sound and the top right
[18:48] <jrgilman> drag the slider around
[18:48] <jrgilman> this is super granular though
[18:50] <Sven_vB> especially the mode selection for soundcards can be interesting. some of my cheap USB sound adapters have noise on their output as long as their input is enabled.
[18:50] <Sven_vB> so I have to put them into output only mode when applicable
[18:50] <jrgilman> ah
[18:50] <jrgilman> gotchya well i'll take these screenshots now
[18:50] <Sven_vB> good, easy way to compare later
[18:51] <jrgilman> i'll make a mp4 actually cause im lazy and i can just pause it later
[18:51] <jrgilman> done
[18:52] <jrgilman> okay well i'll be back
[19:13] <mohnish> hi, I'm using ubuntu mate 19.10 and I'm trying to install weechat from source, but I get these errors: http://dpaste.com/2EC38R6
[19:13] <mohnish> Can anyone tell me what packages I need to install for compiling weechat?
[19:14] <sarnold> mohnish: start with: apt-get build-dep weechat
[19:15] <mohnish> it says Reading package lists... Done
[19:15] <mohnish> E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
[19:16] <EriC^^> mohnish: delete the # before deb source ... in /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:16] <mohnish> oh, okay
[19:19] <housecat> i note that https://weechat.org/download/debian/ exists with current stable and current daily builds of weechat, in case that's why you're doing this
[19:19] <housecat> (they're not officially supported by Ubuntu, but are maintained by upstream weechat)
[19:20] <mohnish> I'm trying to install weechat on a ssh shell, but I don't have root privileges there so I have to compile it and install it on a custom directory and then transfer that directory to the shell
[19:22] <housecat> ah. fun
[19:22] <mohnish> heh, not really
[19:24] <ioria> you know those pkgs are optional , right ? mohnish
[19:25] <mohnish> I'm sorry, what packages?
[19:25] <ioria> http://dpaste.com/2EC38R6
[19:25] <Bey0ndB1nary> Hi
[19:26] <Bey0ndB1nary> I am trying to setup awesomeWM in My Ubuntu 20.04 and it is not working.
[19:26] <Bey0ndB1nary> Could someone help here?
[19:29] <mohnish> ioria:  so, how do I compile without those packages?
[19:31] <ioria> mohnish, see if you have a '--no-plugins' option
[19:33] <sarnold> Bey0ndB1nary: what's not working?
[19:33] <Bey0ndB1nary> After i give credentials, all i get i blank screen.
[19:33] <Bey0ndB1nary> Don't see anything.
[19:33] <mohnish> ioria:  I'm using cmake, and I don't think it has that option
[19:33] <Bey0ndB1nary> Now i am trying to setup i3
[19:34] <Bey0ndB1nary> mohnish: i am trying to have one tiling Window manager setup and working in my Desktop.
[19:34] <sarnold> Bey0ndB1nary: most minmalist window managers start up pretty blank looking; do you need to hit something like windows+enter or windows+space to start a terminal or dmenu?
[19:35] <Bey0ndB1nary> sarnold:OK, let me try i3 and see
[19:36] <ioria> mohnish, use autogen and configure
[19:38] <EtherMan> Hey. I'm trying to use the ca.pl script that comes with the openssl package, but I can't seem to get it to work. running "CA.pl -newca" gives me the prompt for a filename, but then gives "readline() on closed filehandle IN at /usr/lib/ssl/misc/CA.pl line 95.". It creates the dir and everything, but ./demoCA/private/cakey.pem is completely empty. Is there some other package I need as well for that script to work right or?  (20.04 minimal
[19:38] <EtherMan>  as the base)
[19:39] <mohnish> I already installed those packages that I needed, but theres still a package missing V8 (javascript) not found
[19:39] <mohnish> ioria:  what package do I need to install for that
[19:40] <ioria> mohnish, sy, what ?
[19:41] <mohnish> it says V8 (javascript) not found. What package do I need to install for that?
[19:42] <housecat> just pass -DENABLE_JAVASCRIPT=OFF to cmake
[19:42] <housecat> the weechat javascript plugin is a bit pointless
[19:43] <mohnish> oh, okay
[19:46] <mohnish> Thanks, it compiled successfully :)
[20:16] <egm1991> I found the solution to my previous problem. https://askubuntu.com/questions/1018375/how-do-i-install-driver-for-rtl88x2bu
[20:23] <sarnold> egm1991: which one worked? there's two answers, with three solutions :) heh
[20:34] <jeremy31> cilynx github should work
[20:38] <spectrezh> hi.. trying to make ssh-agent run on boot with arch-wiki tutorial. But doesnt work.. anyone got it to work ?
[20:42] <vladoski> how can i tell gnome to start a program with some flags?
[20:47] <raub> Any reasonw hy ubuntu server 18 does not allow me to partition a drive?
[20:52] <vladoski> I can't understand why /usr/share/applications doesn't work when i'm editing one entry such as chrome
[21:08] <otyragun> Hello guys, I'm using a usb headset and I've hearing hissing sounds on my headphones. I  disabled power-save snd_audio_intel but it didn't change anything
[21:11] <ELFrederich> weird... /sbin/ifconfig isn't there in Ubuntu 20.04 ... how do I get my IP address?
[21:11] <vladoski> desktop entries don't work and I don't understand why
[21:11] <vladoski> i'm on ubuntu 20
[21:12] <akem> ELFrederich, apt-get install net-tools
[21:13] <leftyfb> ELFrederich: ip a
[21:13] <leftyfb> ELFrederich: Ubuntu has been using netplan as opposed to ifupdown(ifconfig) since 18.04.
[21:24] <BSaboia> is lsb_release unavailable on Ubuntu 20?
[21:29] <sarnold> BSaboia: it's in the lsb-release package
[21:36] <BSaboia> aa
[21:36] <BSaboia> sa
[21:37] <BSaboia> sarnold, thanks. and sorry for the above nonsense
[21:37] <sarnold> hehe ;) np BSaboia :)
[21:40] <b1ackandwh1te> sorry for the nick
[21:41] <b1ackandwh1te> not michael jackson
[21:41] <b1ackandwh1te> Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS
[21:42] <b1ackandwh1te> i screwed my /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:43] <b1ackandwh1te> i need an example of a healthy one
[21:43] <b1ackandwh1te> pastebined
[21:44] <newbiebr> i need an example of a healthy one pastebined
[21:44] <svm_invictvs> Am I correct in understanding that the filesystem doesn't automatically keep track of all the hard links to a particular file, correct?
[21:45] <housecat> newbiebr: https://paste.debian.net/1149459/
[21:45] <svm_invictvs> if I have, for example, "foo" and I do "ln foo foo1" and "ln foo foo1". I know that the nlink count would be 3, but short of a complete directory or filesystem scan I can't just automatically fetch all the links can I?
[21:45] <newbiebr> housecat, thanks.
[21:46] <housecat> svm_invictvs: correct, i think you'd need to use something like find -samefile and scan the filesystem
[21:46] <svm_invictvs> Yeah
[21:46] <svm_invictvs> Well, shoot
[21:47] <kel_> Is it possible to send files directly to a cloud service without uploading from my system?
[21:47] <svm_invictvs> I wish that the FS gave me that info
[21:47] <svm_invictvs> I guess I have to revert to plan b, which is track the reverse mapping using a directory full of symlinks or something.
[21:48] <newbiebr> housecat, thank you.
[21:49] <otyragun> Hey guys. Is there a reason on why function keys don't work in alsamixer?
[21:49] <kel_> Do you have extra Fn key?
[21:50] <corshmock> Hello all
[21:51] <corshmock> I'm just wondering if any Ubuntu users have tried the Behringer Uphoria UMC22?  Any thoughts or opinions?
[21:51] <otyragun> kel_ Thanks, it worked
[21:51] <corshmock> Worked straight out of the box?
[21:52] <otyragun> Unfortunately the annoying crackling sound on my headphones is still there, is there a way to fix it it's making me go crazy
[21:53] <BSaboia> where is the main disk usually mounted to? /dev/sd0 ?
[21:55] <sarnold> BSaboia: the device nodes in /dev/ aren't really stable names -- depending upon what you're doing, you may be better served to use the symlinks in /dev/disk/by-id/ or one of the other directories there
[21:56] <oerheks> sda perhaps?
[21:56] <BSaboia> sarnold,  I cannot find such path, and it _seems_ that my disk is mounted here instead: /sys/fs/ext4/vda1 — this is a docker image
[21:56] <BSaboia> or a docker container, to be more precise
[21:56] <oerheks> oh, docker.
[21:56] <sarnold> BSaboia: oh, probably the devtmpfs isn't exposed to your container
[21:57] <sarnold> it's possible the /sys paths shouldn't be exposed either
[21:57] <oerheks> mount would tell
[21:58] <BSaboia> oerheks, apparently it's /dev/vda1 then
[21:58] <BSaboia> from `mount | grep vda`, I got /dev/vda1 on /etc/resolv.conf type ext4 (rw,relatime)
[22:01] <bettencb> how do you change the icons of folders or apps in ubuntu 20.04lts
[22:01] <bettencb> I go to properties and click the image but even after selecting an image of my own it won't update the icons image on the desktop
[22:02] <bettencb> only in the folder
[22:11] <bettencb> anyone?
[22:13] <corshmock> I'm just wondering if any Ubuntu users have tried the Behringer Uphoria UMC22?
[23:02] <psymin> I am running 20.04.  I swapped out my nvidia with a radeon.  Haven't used radeon in years.  Not sure what I need to do to make it work well.  5700xt.  Mesa installed.  amdgpu driver installed.  "direct rendering: Yes".  glxgears gives me 1 fps
[23:03] <sarnold> psymin: do you have the linux-firmware package installed with the amdgpu firmware?
[23:03] <psymin> probably not
[23:04] <psymin> "linux-firmware is already the newest version (1.187)"
[23:04] <psymin> do I need to do something special to get it to fetch the amdgpu firmware?
[23:05] <sarnold> it might be worth looking to see if your card is known to be supported with amdgpu or not
[23:05] <psymin> oh my goodness, it is using the intel cpu :)
[23:06] <psymin> gpu, hmm
[23:06] <psymin> at least when I query with glxinfo -B
[23:06] <sarnold> even so, my intel onboard glxgears gets 60fps without looking like it's any real work
[23:24] <psymin> lots of complaining regarding possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/amdgpu/arcturus_sdma.bin is one example
[23:24] <psymin> when updating initramfs
[23:24] <psymin> guess it might be this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/1869673
[23:29] <Prolac> hi, is this command enough to securely destroy contents of a complete VPS? dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda bs=1M
[23:30] <sarnold> it depends upon the hoster in question
[23:32] <Prolac> what do you mean?
[23:33] <Prolac> will that command destroy all data on the selected partition?
[23:33] <sarnold> the VPS host may not expose a /dev/sda
[23:33] <sarnold> the hoster in question may be using virtio storage that would use a different device path
[23:33] <sarnold> the hoster in questoin may be using a snap-shotted storage system like zfs and have a snapshot from just a few moments before hand
[23:34] <psymin> Prolac, srm might give you more peace of mind?  but also secure deletion is tricky
[23:35] <Prolac> What is srm?
[23:35] <psymin> I guess it is more for files than whole disks
[23:35] <sarnold> if srm works by overwriting file data before unlinking it, it's probably also pretty useless against snapshots, copy-on-write filesystems, etc
[23:37] <oerheks> and not without 7 times overwrite
[23:39] <Prolac> ok, well I just want to shred the partition on my VPS, what is the best way of going about it?
[23:45] <oerheks> unlikely you can, maybe there is an admin panel with such function?
[23:45] <oerheks> else, not an ubuntu issue, contact the provider


[00:53] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Beldar, do you program at all on ubuntu?
[00:54] <Beldar> Akiva-Thinkpad, Nah, just an obsessed armchair user, my studies are in several other areas.
[00:54] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ah
[00:55] <Beldar> more like possessed I think. ;)
[01:39] <psusi> since upgrading to utopic today, whenever I change tabs or click a link/load a page in firefox, xorg locks up for several seconds, apparently going nuts in kernel mode... anyone else seeing this?
[01:40] <psusi> even the moue cursor hangs and can't alt-tab until it un-jacks itself
[01:52] <psusi> weird... hung up totally when I opened thunderbird and clicked on one or two mails... had to alt-sysrq-k and now everything seems to be fine
[01:53] <Akiva-Thinkpad> Not I; I have had a remarkeably stable experience thus far
[02:15] <psusi> damnit... it's back
[11:52] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks


[00:38] <redacted> why did it happen again?
[00:44] <gamerchick02> what happened mrgoodcat?
[00:49] <rick_h_> party party
[00:51] <gamerchick02> woo party party
[00:51] <gamerchick02> also woo Amy's getting rid of Razer stuff
[00:51] <gamerchick02> speaking of, anyone want to buy a DeathAdder and a BlackWidow?
[00:51] <gamerchick02> :-P
[00:55] <gamerchick02> $75 for the set... separate: $30 for the DeathAdder (retail $70) and $60 for the BlackWidow (retail $100).
[00:57] <mrgoodcat> gamerchick02: the network at WMU is having major problems today
[00:57] <gamerchick02> oh no!
[00:58] <gamerchick02> that's horrible. :(
[00:58] <mrgoodcat> one of the net ops screwed up and wiped out all the VLANS and took down the network for the whole university at around 2:30
[00:58] <mrgoodcat> and the network reset at 7:00 probably as part of fixing it
[00:58] <gamerchick02> :(
[00:58] <gamerchick02> and that makes it hard to do any work, yeah?
[01:20] <jrwren> gamerchick02: $75 for a set!!? oh how I wish I had $75 to give you
[01:21] <gamerchick02> well i paid $75 for the board (blue switches, macro keys, no backlighting) and the mouse was on sale too... like $50 i think. not sure
[01:21] <gamerchick02> they're older models.
[01:21] <gamerchick02> and if you want them you're welcome to them. $75 is a good price for the set, i think
[01:22] <gamerchick02> oh and they're CLEAN. i don't eat at my desk at my apartment.
[01:22] <jrwren> i won't have the money to spend on it for a while and I don't like to drive to oakland county :)
[01:22] <jrwren> i just wish I did have the money and did like to drive to oakland county, in this case :)
[01:23] <gamerchick02> well if you have the money and are in oakland county and i still have them and you still want them, we can meet at a Tim Horton's or something.
[01:23] <gamerchick02> jrwren, you're not in the detroit area, i take it?
[01:23] <jrwren> Ann Arbor
[01:23] <gamerchick02> oh dang
[01:23] <gamerchick02> i'm not in Ann Arbor like ever
[01:24] <gamerchick02> and i see why you don't come up here. the drive is horrible
[01:30] <jrwren> exactly
[01:30] <jrwren> i do come up occasionally to see family.
[01:30] <jrwren> next time I do, i'll ping ya to see if you haven't sold 'em.
[01:30] <jrwren> but i imagine you could sell those pretty quick.
[01:31] <gamerchick02> i've not advertised much, just told a couple people at work and then in the irc room here
[01:32] <gamerchick02> i have a flyer but no pics on it. dunno if that makes a difference or not
[02:10] <gamerchick02> jrwren, do you want me to hold them for you?
[02:24] <gamerchick02> whoa: http://battle-stations.tumblr.com/
[02:54] <gamerchick02> hitting the hay. g'night everyone
[12:39] <cmaloney> Good moring
[12:39] <cmaloney> I hope your ships are all berthed accordingly.
[12:40] <cmaloney> (How about this: Good morning)
[12:44] <rick_h_> hah
[12:44] <rick_h_> had to read that twice
[13:06] <rick_h_> <3 <3 <3 http://xkcd.com/1339/
[13:18] <brousch> :P
[13:49] <cmaloney> What do you guys use for backups? I think rick_h_ uses a Synology NAS correct?
[13:50] <rick_h_> yep, synology nas + cron'd rsync + dropbox + s3 + replicating across 3 computers
[13:50] <rick_h_> + github I should say
[13:50] <cmaloney> Which Synology? 212J?
[13:50] <brousch> cmaloney: For personal I use crashplan
[13:51] <cmaloney> rick_h_: About how much are you backing up?
[13:51] <brousch> Crashplan and Dropbox, with Crashplan excluding anything in Dropbox
[13:51] <cmaloney> brousch: Yeah, I'm not 100% sure I need crashplan
[13:51] <brousch> It just works (but requires Java)
[13:51] <cmaloney> (he said knocking on whatever is in this Ikea desk)
[13:51] <rick_h_> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005YW7OLM/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[13:52] <rick_h_> cmaloney: so I backup my $HOME on each computer and my wife's machine. Each time I upgrade I create a new directory on the NAS to rsync to, so I've got 5 copies of my x230 for instance.
[13:52] <rick_h_> cmaloney: I've got about 1.3TB on the NAS
[13:52] <rick_h_> I only have my music on the desktop and back that up
[13:53] <rick_h_> pics are in flickr
[13:53] <cmaloney> kk. I'm finding that the 2TB drive I have via USB isn't cutting it anymore
[13:53] <rick_h_> yea, I've got 3TB in my NAS and it backs up every monday to a USB 3TB
[13:53] <rick_h_> I upgraded from 2's
[13:53] <rick_h_> (I've got two drives in mirror)
[13:53] <cmaloney> right
[13:53] <rick_h_> at some point I might go to 4's
[13:53] <rick_h_> but will wait a bit longer still
[13:55] <brousch> I like the Synology at work
[14:00] <rick_h_> cmaloney: http://uploads.mitechie.com/synology.png
[14:03] <brousch> I like how rick_h_'s home NAS has 2.5x more storage than my work NAS
[14:03] <rick_h_> lol
[14:03] <rick_h_> it's fitting, my desktop probably has 2.5x the ram :P
[14:04] <rick_h_> I like to have better stuff at home than the office would give
[14:04] <brousch> Maybe. We are all on ThinkCentre i5s with 8GB RAM and 256GB SSDs now
[14:04] <rick_h_> hmm, I guess I need bigger SSDs
[14:04] <rick_h_> but yea, 4x the ram
[14:05] <brousch> We finally madesome money, so I bought high spec machines in case they have to last 6 years again
[14:05] <rick_h_> ouch! 6yr?
[14:06] <rick_h_> "yay we can get LCDs!"
[14:06] <cmaloney> he
[14:06] <brousch> We actually had LCDs
[14:06] <cmaloney> heh
[14:06] <brousch> Now they're everyon'e second monitor
[14:06] <cmaloney> 17"
[14:06] <rick_h_> "but but my child's toy has better resolution than this work monitor?"
[14:06] <brousch> 24" 1080P all-in-ones with 19" 1280x1024 seconds
[14:07] <rick_h_> you will use your 1MP conference camera and enjoy it!
[14:08] <brousch> I'm actually really happy with the current desktops.  How can he play with your bells if you block him?
[14:12] <cmaloney> rick_h_: I have ADD when it comes to seeing that little bell with a number by it.
[14:12] <cmaloney> It's like seeing an answering machine with a blinking light
[14:12] <cmaloney> I have to know what's in there.
[14:12] <cmaloney> There's someone at work who has her phone voicemail light constantly on
[14:13] <cmaloney> I want to just go over there and ask her to kindly listen to the message
[14:13] <cmaloney> I know it's none of my business
[14:14] <cmaloney> but I would pay her, I swear.
[14:14] <rick_h_> lol
[14:14] <rick_h_> "Where's my phone?!"
[14:15] <rick_h_> "You can have it back when you can use it responsibly"
[14:15] <rick_h_> "Like LISTEN TO YOUR MESSAGES!"
[14:22] <DrDaemonEye> cmaloney: my voicemail light is always on... It has this annoying feature that unless I save or delete a voicemail, it is considered "new".  I hate it
[14:22] <rick_h_> ouch
[14:22] <rick_h_> duct tape, here we come
[14:23] <DrDaemonEye> Thankfully, people tend not to call me unless the importance is the same level of that as me on fire
[14:30] <jrwren> i use s3 for backups
[14:31] <DrDaemonEye> never heard of it
[14:31] <jrwren> i need to rework it so that its per file instead of a tarball, and gpg each file.
[14:31] <jrwren> s3?
[14:31] <DrDaemonEye> yea
[14:31] <jrwren> AWS S3 - Simple Storage Service
[14:31] <jrwren> its probably the single largest file storage system in human history
[14:32] <DrDaemonEye> ah okay
[14:32] <rick_h_> :)
[14:32] <DrDaemonEye> I just have access to a few servers scattered around the country that I scp to on a regular basis, so I have not been keeping up with backup systems
[14:33] <jrwren> its not a backup system.
[14:33] <DrDaemonEye> I'll have to check it out
[14:33] <jrwren> its technically an object data store. ;]
[14:33] <jrwren> i find the distinction rather silly
[14:33] <DrDaemonEye> heh
[14:34] <jrwren> i suppose its because it predates everything being cloud.
[14:34] <jrwren> we'd have just called them cloud file systems.
[14:34] <DrDaemonEye> cool.  It sounds cloud-like to me
[14:34] <jrwren> but we need some word to separate it from a filesystem in a disk
[14:35] <jrwren> it was cloud before cloud was a thing :)
[14:35] <DrDaemonEye> hehe.  :)
[14:35] <jrwren> and distributed filesystem came with such baggage, we didn't want to use that word
[14:35] <jrwren> but that is what it really is
[14:35] <DrDaemonEye> that it is
[14:35] <jrwren> DrDaemonEye: to be clear, s3 isn't a consumer backup system. its an api for programmers.
[14:36] <DrDaemonEye> ah okay.  Still, something for me to look into
[14:37] <brousch> Does JungleDisk still use S3 as its storage?
[14:37] <brousch> That was the first consumer-grade S3 backup I remember
[14:37] <cmaloney> I kind of want to stay away from aything non OSS.
[14:37] <cmaloney> synology is pushing it but I trust them for some strange reason
[14:38] <jrwren> cmaloney: what about amazon?
[14:38] <cmaloney> I trust them to be dumb storage
[14:38] <jrwren> ok
[14:38] <cmaloney> but I have a little problem with them: a) I don't understand S3 that well, and b) what happens if the check bounces one month?
[14:39] <cmaloney> Problem A can be solved by using it, so that's a non-issue
[14:39] <jrwren> yeah, s3 is very easy to use, espeically with boto.
[14:39] <rick_h_> s3cmd
[14:40] <jrwren> boto
[14:40] <brousch> Doesn't Ubuntu have an S3 backup system now?
[14:40] <rick_h_> (though I don't use that still)
[14:40] <jrwren> i did not like s3cmd
[14:40] <rick_h_> no? everyone tells me I should be using that
[14:40] <cmaloney> brousch: It uses Duplicity which can support a number of backends.
[14:40] <brousch> Maybe this http://www.duplicati.com/
[14:40] <jrwren> rick_h_: they are wrong.
[14:40] <jrwren> rick_h_: these days you should be using awscli.
[14:40] <rick_h_> ah
[14:41] <rick_h_> that's the new boto replacement right?
[14:41] <rick_h_> well, has boto common under it
[14:41] <jrwren> yes
[14:41] <rick_h_> yea, I've not played with that yet
[14:41] <jrwren> its the thing that replaced the java tools. *CHEER*
[14:41] <rick_h_> and there was much rejoicing
[14:42] <cmaloney> anything that replaces Java is A-OK in my book
[14:42] <cmaloney> as long as it's still cross-platform.
[14:42] <rick_h_> unless it's ruby..then maybe
[14:42] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Damn you for taking my ultimatium and ruining it
[14:42] <rick_h_> lol
[14:43] <cmaloney> ultimatium: what wolverine's lawyer's claws are made of
[14:44] <jrwren> ruby is still better.
[14:44] <cmaloney> jrwren: Ruby is a PITA at times
[14:44] <mrgoodcat> ruby++
[14:44] <jrwren> with java, i don't know how to do anything.
[14:44] <cmaloney> RVM still makes my teeth hurt
[14:44] <mrgoodcat> i don't use rvm anymore
[14:44] <jrwren> rvm isn't that bad.
[14:44] <mrgoodcat> it's all about chruby now
[14:45] <jrwren> really?!?
[14:45] <cmaloney> wget -O chruby-0.3.8.tar.gz https://github.com/postmodern/chruby/archive/v0.3.8.tar.gz
[14:45] <jrwren> what happened to rbenv?
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> oh rbenv is nice too
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> i just use chruby
[14:45] <rick_h_> jrwren: I'll take packaged java over non-packaged ruby software most of the time :)
[14:45] <cmaloney> At least it appears to have an install process that doesn't require me to run a shell script from github
[14:45] <rick_h_> lol
[14:45] <mrgoodcat> chruby is just nicer
[14:45] <jrwren> rick_h_: i've never seen non-packaged ruby.
[14:45] <cmaloney> I can at least look at it first.
[14:45] <rick_h_> look, that's standard practice now
[14:45] <cmaloney> jrwren: rvm
[14:46] <jrwren> cmaloney: that is packaged.
[14:46] <jrwren> cmaloney: that is also, mostly bash scripts :p
[14:46] <mrgoodcat> rbenv depends on shims and weird context switching
[14:46] <cmaloney> \curl -sSL https://get.rvm.io | bash <- This is not an install
[14:46] <mrgoodcat> and you have to use rbenv rehash all the time
[14:46] <cmaloney> This is an attack vector
[14:46] <jrwren> cmaloney: lol
[14:47] <mrgoodcat> it even puts a slash in front in case you've overridden curl to not allow this
[14:48] <cmaloney> That's the kind of thing that comes from people who think it's an awesomeo idea to have irc open any link that pops up in channel
[14:48] <cmaloney> Man, i"m making all the right typos today.
[14:48] <jcastro> rick_h_, are you on trusty?
[14:49] <rick_h_> jcastro: yes
[14:49] <rick_h_> 3 machines on it
[14:49] <jcastro> my trackpoint stopped working
[14:49] <jcastro> pad works fine
[14:49] <rick_h_> ?!
[14:49] <jcastro> there's not some funky keycode to turn that on and off accidentally is there?
[14:49] <rick_h_> not that I know of. Only bios controls
[14:49] <rick_h_> I use that to turn off the pad
[14:53] <brousch> Ditch the nips! Pad is the future!
[14:54] <jrwren> how do you two finger and three finger swipe with a nub?
[14:54] <rick_h_> jrwren: you use the middle mouse button to scroll
[14:54] <rick_h_> (two finger)
[14:54] <jcastro> I have been using the pad for 10 minutes, and I already want to punch someone
[14:54] <rick_h_> and you use your keybaord shortcuts for swipe
[14:54] <brousch> barbaric!
[14:54] <rick_h_> jcastro: when I'm on my air I get angry
[14:55] <jcastro> swipe? why am I swiping on my laptop?
[14:55] <jrwren> that is because its a shitty lenovo chinese pad. you need a real bad, from AAPL, american!
[14:55] <rick_h_> jcastro: because it's the only wayt to change desktops and such
[14:55] <jcastro> what?
[14:55] <jcastro> man, kb shortcuts dawg
[14:55] <rick_h_> jrwren: thinkpad keyboard and trackpoint > apple trackpad
[14:55] <jrwren> MERCA!
[14:55] <jrwren> rick_h_: never.
[14:55] <rick_h_> jrwren: I speak the truth!
[14:55] <jcastro> I didn't touch my bios but I'm going to go check
[14:55] <rick_h_> shitty air keyboard
[14:56] <rick_h_> do you like some mush with your mush
[14:56] <jrwren> yup.
[14:56] <jrwren> Why do you think I make so many typos in here?
[14:56] <rick_h_> lol
[14:57] <jcastro> the frustrating thing is every PC laptop maker is following apple with the keyboard and pad
[14:57] <jcastro> race to the bottom
[14:57] <rick_h_> yep
[14:57] <jcastro> "people must want touchpads the size of aircraft carriers and keys that travel .00001mm, SHIP IT."
[14:57]  * rick_h_ remembers to see if anyone looked at his discourse reply on the matter
[14:58] <jcastro> preach it brother, I read it
[14:59] <jcastro> I will heart your response though
[14:59] <jrwren> and right there is why discourse fails for me. you have to remember.
[14:59] <rick_h_> well I think it emails me
[14:59] <jrwren> then it succeeds!
[14:59] <rick_h_> but I didn't get an email yet and there's a reply...fail
[15:00] <jcastro> rick_h_, it won't mail you unless I do @rick PREACH IT!
[15:00] <rick_h_> hah
[15:00] <rick_h_> so he's going to go sys76
[15:00] <rick_h_> that's cool, I wish them all the best
[15:00] <rick_h_> just don't care for their laptops, not high enough quality
[15:00] <jcastro> After the last revs of thinkpads
[15:00] <jcastro> I think the era of laptops is over
[15:00] <rick_h_> ugh, don't say that
[15:00] <jcastro> I got a $200 piece of junk chromebook
[15:00] <rick_h_> (as I type on my desktop)
[15:00] <jcastro> and it's good enough
[15:01] <jcastro> I guess I'll buy one of those every year instead of one good laptop that lasts me three. :(
[15:01] <rick_h_> guess I'll be hugging my 230 for a while. I'll be one of those crazy linux fools 6 years into a laptop
[15:01] <rick_h_> with the keys wiped and unreadable
[15:02] <jcastro> man
[15:02] <cmaloney> and a battery life of 3 minutes
[15:02] <jcastro> let's hope my trackpoint working is not a hw issue
[15:03] <cmaloney> $5 says he forgot to put us on auto-join
[15:03] <rick_h_> I'm afraid to run updates
[15:05] <jcastro> whew
[15:06] <jcastro> all set
[15:06] <jcastro> I think maybe it broke when I was waking up from resume, if it happens again I'll report a bug
[15:07] <rick_h_> jcastro: ok Im afraid to upgrade
[15:07] <rick_h_> but welcome back to the civilized world
[15:08] <jcastro> new kernel last night
[15:08] <rick_h_> hmm, /me notes to try to upgrade the mac
[15:08] <jcastro> but everything works fine on the 230, other than the brightness is non adjustable after resume, but I need to find time to report it
[15:18] <jrwren> cmaloney: if its running linux 3minutes is pretty good bat life.
[15:27] <cmaloney> ;)
[15:34] <brousch> It is the era of the Tablet
[15:35] <jrwren> its really not
[15:35] <jrwren> i still say those are consumption devices and that production is still primarily on laptop & desktop
[15:35] <brousch> It is coming
[15:36] <brousch> Keyboard is the biggest problem
[15:37] <cmaloney> brousch: keyboard, storage
[15:37] <cmaloney> CPU
[15:38] <cmaloney> battery life if pushed
[15:41] <brousch> CPU and storage only matter if you're developing locally. You should be doing it in the cloud
[15:47] <brousch> I think form factors like MS Surface Pro or Lenovo Yoga 2 are the future. Tablet when you want it, keyboard dock when you need it
[15:50] <jrwren> i feel content is more important than form factor.
[15:50] <brousch> You mean having a full OS like OSX, Windows, Linux instead of Android/iOS?
[15:52] <jrwren> no
[15:52] <jrwren> i mean content.
[15:52] <jrwren> apps
[15:53] <jrwren> people don't care about OS or filesystems or filemanagers (finder v. explorer)
[15:53] <brousch> So if your ipad had all the apps you need to do what you want, you'd ditch your laptop?
[16:07] <rick_h_> yea, it's scary to see moden tech users
[16:07] <rick_h_> my wife does 99% of her email on a phone
[16:07] <rick_h_> if it won't work/load on a phone it's dead to her
[16:07] <rick_h_> the only time she breaks out her laptop is to upload photos from the camera or entering patient notes on her work laptop
[16:07] <rick_h_> but form factor dictates content
[16:07] <rick_h_> definitely
[16:07] <rick_h_> yea, I easily see a chromebook populace with a small percentage of desktops/laptops for the creators
[16:07] <rick_h_> I think most 'users' would/will
[16:07] <mrgoodcat> if i have a list a = [1,2,3] and b = [1,4,5], is there a function to only return the values of b that are not in a ([4,5])? or do i need to roll my own function for that?
[16:07] <rick_h_> look at the set() data type
[16:07] <rick_h_> it'll do it for you
[16:07] <mrgoodcat> ty
[16:09] <brousch> rick_h_: Well if you're creating for Chromebook, you can just do it on a remote server, no laptop required. You will only need a laptop/desktop if you're creating the actual OS
[16:12] <brousch> Same with Android. You will develop normal Android apps on Android, but need a full computer to develop Android itself (or ROMs)
[16:29] <mrgoodcat> i already ditched standard laptop in favor of chromebook
[16:30] <mrgoodcat> but run linux on it
[16:34] <brousch> mrgoodcat: That doesn't count :P
[16:38] <mrgoodcat> :)
[16:38] <mrgoodcat> time for lunch
[17:21] <jrwren> brousch: no, i need a KB :)
[19:22] <rick_h_> waf: pebble 2.0 on android now
[19:22] <rick_h_> :)
[19:35] <cmaloney> nice!
[19:36] <rick_h_> and bookie hits 90K
[19:38] <brousch> Do you have a chart of the stats over time?
[19:38] <rick_h_> I've got the data, no chart
[19:38] <rick_h_> I count bookmarks, unique bookmarks, and tags every hour
[19:38] <brousch> get one of your slaves on it
[19:39] <brousch> I mean students
[19:39] <rick_h_> heh, one's working on a chart for per user counts right now
[19:54] <rick_h_> crap, and another import in the queue. Go celery go
[20:01] <jrwren> alternatives to protocol buffers. go:
[20:02] <rick_h_> to google's protobuf or just in general?
[20:03] <jrwren> in general.
[20:03] <jrwren> xml too bloated, json has no forward only readers, so those two are out.
[20:03] <rick_h_> so the goal is to do fast communication between services?
[20:03] <rick_h_> hmm, does bson have forward readers?
[20:04] <jrwren> good question
[20:08] <rick_h_> jrwren: I mean thrift is the big guy in the space. I've heard a lot of good things in proobuf, there's a few alternatives I can't speak intelligently on
[20:08] <rick_h_> and I'd check out bson as far as a more effecient json if you just need that
[20:10] <jrwren> thrift is rpc framework no?
[20:10] <rick_h_> message passing
[20:11] <rick_h_> at least I believe it's what you're looking for if you're looking at protobuf and such
[20:11] <jrwren> i see it now.
[20:12] <jrwren> bummer about thrift is they seem to focus on api & let impls deal with details of getting wire protocol correct
[20:25] <jrwren> thanks rick_h_
[20:25] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea sorry I don't have a good answer. I've not really needed these myself
[20:28] <jrwren> still, its more than I knew.
[20:28] <jrwren> i thought thrift was something else
[20:35] <jrwren> am tip: rm -f /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch
[20:35] <jrwren> on your servers.
[21:01] <jrwren> is there an option to tell add-apt-repository to not add the source repo?
[21:36] <cmaloney> http://recursion-band.bandcamp.com/
[21:38] <greg-g> oh, I was hopeful it was more math rock
[21:38] <cmaloney> wish granted
[21:38] <cmaloney> Math hardcore
[21:39] <greg-g> ok, less hardcore then :P
[21:39] <cmaloney> Well, "Deathcore"
[21:39] <cmaloney> Tesseract it ain't.
[21:39] <cmaloney> but managed to find this on reddit of all places.
[21:40] <cmaloney> Someone had a "free prog metal" thread
[21:40] <cmaloney> and went through that list lookig for the CC folks.
[21:40] <greg-g> many?
[21:40] <cmaloney> 7-8%
[21:40] <cmaloney> which is better than what I was expecting
[21:40] <greg-g> heh
[21:41] <cmaloney> Had bands like Depths, Galactic Pegasus and Cloudkicker though
[21:41] <greg-g> cool
[21:42] <cmaloney> greg-g: I'm becoming you though. I picked up The Guessing Game by Cathedral
[21:42] <cmaloney> and Kyuss' last album
[21:42] <cmaloney> (..and the circus leaves town)
[21:43] <greg-g> Kyuss!
[21:43] <cmaloney> Yeah, was a shrinkwrapped promo copy
[21:43] <greg-g> nice
[21:43] <cmaloney> which I found odd and intriguing
[21:44] <cmaloney> and cheap
[21:44] <cmaloney> We've been heading downtown for J's class / CHC so I've been able to hit UHF (my pusher of choice)
[21:45] <cmaloney> Gotta love a place that plays "This is Spinal Tap". :)
[21:45] <cmaloney> CUPS AND CAKES BITCHES!
[21:45] <greg-g> :) :)
[21:45] <greg-g> some day...
[21:46] <cmaloney> ?
[21:47] <greg-g> I shall have time to rummage through a used cd store... and listen to my purchases the way they were intended
[21:47] <greg-g> basically, can I be transported back to undergrad, plz?
[21:47] <cmaloney> even better: they specialize in Vinyl records.
[21:48] <greg-g> never got into vinyl/don't have the equipment
[21:48] <cmaloney> Yeah, I'm not a huge fan, but they have a decent used / new section
[21:48] <greg-g> cool
[21:48] <cmaloney> put this way: They have more metal than most places
[21:49] <cmaloney> although the B&N in Royal Oak actually has a metal section
[23:08] <gamerchick02> so.  cmaloney.  i went to microcenter. guess who's a proud owner of a ducky zero with mx blacks?
[23:09] <gamerchick02> also rick_h_
[23:09] <gamerchick02> ya'll are killin me
[23:13] <gamerchick02> this is smooth as butter. BUTTER
[23:13] <greg-g> :)
[23:13] <gamerchick02> i'm still selling the razer
[23:14] <gamerchick02> no use for blues
[23:14] <rick_h_> lol
[23:14] <gamerchick02> blues are too loud
[23:15] <gamerchick02> but wow yes. harder to press... reminds me of my first keyboard which might have been a model M i'm not sure. the computer was an IBM compatible from GM.
[23:15] <rick_h_> gamerchick02: woot
[23:15] <rick_h_> I had sore fingers when I first went to a unicomp
[23:15] <gamerchick02> wow but yeah the zero ain't no shine but it also wasn't $150
[23:15] <gamerchick02> what switches for that one?
[23:16] <rick_h_> buclking spring, model m style
[23:16] <gamerchick02> oh cool
[23:16] <gamerchick02> i remember i liked the sound
[23:17] <gamerchick02> and wow these are way different from the browns
[23:17] <gamerchick02> not sure what i like better, browns or blacks
[23:17] <gamerchick02> both have merits
[23:17] <gamerchick02> blacks are smooth as butta and the browns have that nice little click-bump
[23:21] <gamerchick02> i went with full this time. i'm done buying keyboards right now.
[23:21] <gamerchick02> who knows anything about the red switches? any lovers out there for MX Reds?


[06:36] <Kilos> morning africa
[10:04] <ariabbas> .
[10:04] <Kilos> .
[10:04] <Kilos> hehe
[17:02] <Kilos> hi melodie_  lunapersa  elacheche_anis
[17:02] <melodie_> hello Kilos !
[17:06] <melodie_> Kilos what's new here?
[17:07] <Kilos> not much girl, and there by you?
[17:07] <Kilos> too cold here to be really active
[17:09] <melodie_> how come, is that the cold season now in za?
[17:09] <melodie_> here lots
[17:09] <Kilos> yeah we get to freezing at night
[17:09] <melodie_> I debugged zram-config (script to load and configure the zram module and gain some virtual memory)
[17:09] <Kilos> oh i trie3d that once
[17:09] <melodie_> the mailing list for Bento Openbox dev is restarted, on freelists
[17:09] <Kilos> tried
[17:10] <melodie_> well in Vivid there is an issue and I found the source of the problem
[17:10] <Kilos> well done
[17:10] <melodie_> I just posted now on my bug report
[17:10] <melodie_> sure, hopefully they'll fix it soon enough!
[17:10] <melodie_> well here easy : I blacklisted the zram module and reinstalled zram-config:
[17:11] <melodie_> did "sudo systemctl enable zram-config" and "sudo systemctl start zram-config" and now it works right!
[17:11] <Kilos> great
[17:12] <melodie_> I mean I blacklisted it some time ago already, it has to be done prior, and eventually reboot, or else:
[17:12] <melodie_> sudo swapoff /dev/zram0
[17:12] <melodie_> sudo rmmod zram0
[17:12] <melodie_> then blacklist, then you can install and do the rest.
[17:12] <melodie_> else:
[17:12] <melodie_> the ml for bento dev
[17:12] <melodie_> the gitlab place too
[17:13] <Kilos> you got too much energy
[17:13] <Kilos> but keep it up
[17:13] <melodie_> https://gitlab.com/bento-openbox/openbox-control-center
[17:13] <melodie_> now I need to learn to use it the right way
[17:13] <melodie_> little bit by little bit
[17:14] <melodie_> and I need to find clients for my activity because it's starting to lack money seriously here :D
[17:14] <Kilos> you are doing great, dont be impatient
[17:14] <melodie_> and there is a buddy who started a mind map for the project so now I need to learn how to use freemind
[17:14] <Kilos> lol
[17:14] <melodie_> I just installed the doc packages because I didn't have them
[17:15] <melodie_> yes, that's the least I can do, I don't code and while he does and is willing to start the openbox control center project, I need to do a map of the items to be linked together for this project
[17:16] <Kilos> i want to try openbox over a kubuntu install sometime
[17:16] <melodie_> the other way around would be easier
[17:16] <melodie_> I think
[17:16] <Kilos> nono i already have kde installed
[17:16] <melodie_> in Bento Openbox you can install whatever kde packages you want
[17:16] <melodie_> you also have Bento Openbox installed, right?
[17:16] <Kilos> yes on other machine
[17:17] <melodie_> so there you can install any Kde apps, they will fit in
[17:17] <Kilos> thats a 32 bit machine, i want to see what openbox does here on a 64bit
[17:17] <melodie_> you can install openbox in kubuntu of course, but you will have to type this in the konsole:
[17:18] <melodie_> openbox --replace &
[17:18] <melodie_> then you will have to ensure the kubuntu distro keeps it that way in next sessions
[17:18] <Kilos> it is in the repos so ill use synaptic to do it
[17:18] <melodie_> and see if you can login with the "kde-openbox" session
[17:18] <Kilos> then you can just choose when you boot
[17:19] <melodie_> I don't know if openbox still fits in Kubuntu easily
[17:19] <melodie_> does it work or not, if you try, then tell me?
[17:19] <Kilos> its in the repos so ill try it and see
[17:19] <melodie_> ok
[17:19] <Kilos> i will ell you
[17:19] <melodie_> fine
[17:19] <melodie_> :)
[17:20] <Kilos> i just dont know the size of the openbox downloads so have to do it after midnight
[17:28] <melodie_> this is very small, provided you check your /etc/apt.conf.d/99synaptic file
[17:28] <melodie_> Kilos you need it to be set this way:
[17:28] <melodie_> APT::Install-Recommends "false";
[17:28] <melodie_> I mean:
[17:28] <melodie_> in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d
[17:29] <Kilos> synaptic package manager should sort all that automatically
[17:29] <Kilos> i think
[17:29] <Kilos> if it doesnt work ill shout for you
[17:30] <melodie_> it default installs all recommands
[17:30] <melodie_> if you setup a 99synaptic file the way I just have shown you it won't install recommands by default
[17:30] <Kilos> but i really like the kde ui so no rush
[17:30] <melodie_> most of the time they are not needed.
[17:31] <melodie_> it will just allow you to have openbox window borders, and lighten slighly the session
[17:31] <Kilos> ive just learned where to find everything on kde so the openbox thing is an experiment
[17:32] <melodie_> :)
[17:32] <Kilos> lol
[17:32] <melodie_> :)
[17:32] <Kilos> i take long to learn new things
[17:33] <Kilos> but with openbox on a working kubuntu install my chat clients will still all be setup
[17:33] <Kilos> and my thunderbird mail client
[17:34] <Kilos> so less work to set everything up
[17:43] <Kilos> hi Na3iL
[17:43] <Na3iL> hello Kilos
[17:44] <Na3iL> hru?
[17:45] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[17:45] <Kilos> you been here before?
[17:45] <Kilos> i forget nicks
[17:46] <Na3iL> yup am the youngest member in u-tn
[17:46] <Na3iL> :P
[17:46] <Na3iL> u forget me?
[17:47] <Kilos> lol i forget everyone unless they nag me every day
[17:47] <Kilos> oh yes
[17:47] <Na3iL> hahahaha :D
[17:47] <Na3iL> cool x)
[17:47] <Kilos> you nearly ready to start working
[17:48] <Kilos> 23rd i think you said you on holidys
[17:48] <Kilos> holidays
[17:48] <Na3iL> yup :D
[17:48] <Na3iL> is there any thing I can help with in this team :D
[17:48] <Kilos> great
[17:48] <Kilos> yes lots
[17:49] <Na3iL> cool :D
[17:49] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AfricanTeams
[17:49] <Kilos> if you look there you will see half the teams are still listed as missing
[17:50] <Na3iL> I noticed that, I noticed also that the design of the wiki not good..
[17:50] <Kilos> they need to be found via the loco info and emailed directly
[17:50] <Na3iL> I mean we should put there more informations about the team..
[17:50] <Kilos> fight with neo he did it
[17:51] <Na3iL> lol xD I'll see how I can modify on it..
[17:51] <Kilos> you are welcome to improve anything
[17:51] <Na3iL> by the way we'd our logo?
[17:51] <Na3iL> thanks ^_^
[17:53] <Kilos> once you start looking for the missing teams you can get to their contact peeps from
[17:53] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams
[17:56] <Na3iL> ok understood :)
[17:57] <Kilos> nice to have some help
[17:57] <Kilos> :D
[17:57] <Na3iL> :D I'll see how to contact the missing loco teams and talk with them :D
[17:58] <Kilos> great ty
[17:58] <Na3iL> than, I'll see how I can modify the home page of the wiki of the team :D
[17:58] <Na3iL> you are welcome anytime
[17:58] <Kilos> some take days to answer
[17:58] <Kilos> dont forget to invite them here and try get them to stay here
[17:59] <Kilos> also advertise http://ubuntu-africa.info
[17:59] <Na3iL> I hope that they'll answer instantly
[17:59] <Kilos> lol
[17:59] <Na3iL> yup I'll bring them all here x)
[17:59] <Kilos> good :)
[17:59] <Kilos> we need to grow
[18:06] <Kilos> wb elacheche_anis
[18:09] <elacheche_anis> o/ Kilos
[18:09] <elacheche_anis> just checking my servers before breaking my fast :)
[18:09] <elacheche_anis> what about you?
[18:10] <Na3iL> o/ elacheche_anis sorry coz I wasn't able to connect..
[18:10] <Na3iL> is there any log for the meeting
[19:07] <melodie_> good evening