[15:11] <alkisg> Hey knipwim! Here are some notes about ltsp-chroot, but maybe they're too much, and some can be left for another time: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ltsp-chroot
[15:12] <alkisg> Sorry wrong channel
[17:25] <irctc321> am using the live version of edubuntu 11.1 and trying the ltsp live version-  is there a password for the guest account ?


[14:05] <akgraner> holstein, will you and internalkernel be around after 11am tomorrow
[14:05] <akgraner> I have to be in Asheville in the morning
[14:05] <akgraner> but will be finished with my appt at 11am
[14:06] <internalkernel> I can work it out to be available around then, dropping the little one at preschool at 9ish...
[14:06] <internalkernel> how did american idol go?
[14:07] <axisofentropy_> I miss Asheville
[14:07] <akgraner> Becca and a ton of others we awesome - but the 1st round judges said no
[14:08] <akgraner> she sang and Dirty Man (Joss Stone), Back Back Train (Aerosmith), and Lips of an Angel (Hinder)
[14:08] <holstein> axisofentropy_: :/
[14:08] <holstein> akgraner: i can make time
[14:08] <akgraner> they didn't even know those songs - they wanted more contemporary songs
[14:08] <akgraner> :-/
[14:09] <akgraner> they had her sing more songs than anyone in her group
[14:09] <akgraner> they like her voice but I think they were looking for the bubble gum upbeat pop stuff
[14:09] <akgraner> (which of course she hates)
[14:10] <holstein> well, its not a singing, or talent contest
[14:29] <internalkernel> no... american idol has nothing to do with talent.
[14:29] <internalkernel> that's cool they made her sing a bunch though, they were trying to fit her...
[14:31] <holstein> yeah, they obviously recognized the skillz :)
[14:51] <internalkernel> totally... so akgraner where and what time were you thinking tomorrow? Ill be aiming for breakfast/coffee about that time... what's your suggestion holstein?
[14:54] <akgraner> just tell me where to meet you all
[14:54] <akgraner> I'll be coming from VA off Tunnel Road
[14:54] <akgraner> Mall? Barnes and Noble?
[14:56] <akgraner> so holstein if you know where an 15 soon to 16 blues singer can fit in let me know
[14:57] <akgraner> it's manager and demo CD time now
[16:45] <oscalation> anyone around the charlotte nc area
[17:24] <BugeyeD> we have a few from that area here, don't remember who though. i'm in winston.
[17:26] <oscalation> im near charlotte, interested in joining a local team possibly for monthly meet ups, im interested in filing and triaging bugs
[17:26] <oscalation> and getting into dev and programming, i wana learn python
[17:53] <holstein> akgraner: theres a jam up here i think its thursday nite
[17:53] <holstein> peggy ratuse hosts it
[17:54] <holstein> oscalation: im over in asheville, but if you want to join the WNClug mailing list, feel free
[17:54] <holstein> might be some events worth driving for
[17:54] <holstein> wnclug.info
[17:54] <holstein> http://wnclug.info
[17:56] <akgraner> holstein, cool thanks
[17:57] <holstein> akgraner: i can get more proactive if you want
[17:57] <holstein> peggy is cool
[17:57] <holstein> we dont play together often, but i could call/email or whatever
[17:58] <BugeyeD> i tend to drive (from winston) to the triangle for stuff. there's just not much in place here in the triad. there was a conversation months ago about reviving the charlotte area, but i didn't pay much attention because it's not close to me either.
[17:58] <BugeyeD> oscalation: ^
[17:58] <akgraner> let's talk tomorrow...I'll get becca to record something for you
[17:58] <holstein> cool
[17:58] <BugeyeD> seems like tronx was in charlotte, but i haven't seen him on here lately
[17:58] <holstein> yeah, he moved back :/
[17:58] <holstein> job changed
[17:58] <BugeyeD> as in back out-of-state?
[17:58] <holstein> you can find him in #ubuntu-beginners-team though
[17:59] <holstein> yeah, back to chicago
[17:59] <BugeyeD> i think he was the pen tester.
[18:00] <akgraner> I think we can do something for global jam - even if it's just cleaning up wiki's online for the weekend
[18:00] <akgraner> that's a start
[18:01] <akgraner> and who ever can meet in a local place can do so as well
[18:01] <akgraner> nothing complicated
[18:03] <holstein> akgraner: i agree
[18:04] <holstein> maybe charlotte?
[18:04] <holstein> its kind of in the middle-ish
[18:04] <akgraner> everything is an hour from me so just let me know where to be and I'll be there
[18:04] <holstein> no need for 4 of us to drive 4 hours though if its just going to be us
[18:04] <akgraner> ha that's true enough
[18:05] <akgraner> when Asheville will work for us as well
[20:54] <mhall119> akgraner: ping
[21:11] <akgraner> mhall119, pong
[21:28] <mhall119> akgraner: just leaving the house, but wanted to know if you wanted to try ReadFeeder
[21:28] <akgraner> I do...can you ping me a little later ?
[21:41] <mhall119> sure


[00:08] <yofel> ahoneybun: kci on linode is throttled to 87%, so that will never trigger that warning. But none of the other containers are throttled, so anyone compiling anything will trigger that warning (and the resource usage looks very much like a build job)
[00:08] <yofel> just turn off the warning or forward it to /dev/null
[00:09] <santa_> yofel: ↑ the merging of kubuntu automation work3 branch
[00:09] <yofel> ok, will look tomorrow
[00:09] <santa_> it porvides the ovverides system we discussed + 1 bug fix por gbp-ppa
[00:09] <santa_> * provides
[00:10] <santa_> btw don't forget I have pending patches for apps 16.04.3, they are just 3
[00:10] <santa_> and the kdelibs one is a MUST
[00:10] <santa_> in caps lock, seriously
[00:10] <santa_> that being said good night everyone
[00:11] <yofel> ack, nini
[00:13] <yofel> and I'm off to bed too again, gn8
[07:44] <Vorap> Morning all
[07:45] <santa_> morning
[08:03] <sakrecoer> it just hit me that you guys might be interested in this: Bug #1616175
[08:04] <sakrecoer> it's our findings regarding kactivitymanagerd and krita...
[08:04] <yofel> I know, our images have been failing for the same reason. I didn't have time to look into that yet
[08:06] <sakrecoer> yofel: crossing fingers for you!
[08:18] <blaze> guess what
[08:18] <blaze> gcc6.2 is here
[08:18] <blaze> pushed into the main archive
[08:28] <valorie> wow
[08:28] <valorie> this reminds me so much of our last release
[08:28] <valorie> and the one before that -- always a major change *right* before freeze
[08:28] <valorie> grrrr
[08:32] <yofel> that's... the usual thing? The problem is major stuff near final release (i.e. glibc last cycle)
[08:33] <valorie> or release, yeah
[08:33] <valorie> or both! why not
 :( internet is still down today
[09:27] <blaze> hm, i guess qml-module-org-kde-kholidays is not packaged
[09:28] <blaze> clivejo: do you know something?
[09:29] <blaze> here it is in sid https://packages.debian.org/sid/libs/qml-module-org-kde-kholidays
[09:41] <blaze> oh i see, it comes only with apps 16.04.3
[09:43] <clivejo> blaze: you can grab it from the staging PPA
[12:44] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:38] <JHOSMAN> Hello, has anyone here worked with compiling Ubuntu ISO images with support UEFI? I tell you, I'm making an ISO Unattended Ubuntu, but I can not make it do the UEFI boot  in mode EFI active in bios, the iso says BosyBox and the install not running, in mode legacy run OK.
[15:44] <mhall119> sitter: sgclark: are you using Qt 5.6 in your snaps? And if so, where are you getting it from?
[15:44] <sgclark> yes neon repos
[15:44] <sgclark> may even be 5.7 now
[15:45] <mhall119> where are the neon repos?
[15:45] <sgclark> somewhere on the kde repo structure. sec
[15:48] <sgclark> mhall119: https://packaging.neon.kde.org/
[15:49] <mhall119> thank you sgclark
[15:49] <sgclark> sure thing
[15:50] <mhall119> sgclark: oh, those are git repos, is there a deb repo?
[15:51] <acheronuk> http://archive.neon.kde.org/
[15:51] <mhall119> thanks acheronuk
[15:51] <acheronuk> np
[17:36] <acheronuk> Evening :)
[17:38]  * soee yawning ...
[17:38]  * genii slides a mug of coffee to soee
[17:39] <acheronuk> yofel: not urgent at at all, but can you at some point add kirigami and kdevplatform to KCI. packaging is now in out git. they are staring to get a few things needing/wanting them
[17:40] <soee> no coffee, i just woke up after 4 hurs :S
[17:40]  * genii drinks it instead
[17:41] <acheronuk> when I've just woken up is when I need coffee the most
[17:42]  * BluesKaj wakes up
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/5Q5aT0JH/file_202.jpg
[18:44] <soee> current lock screen in Plasma 5.8-dev ^
 I very rarely seen mine
 tbh I loved what Chakra was/is doing with KDE art
[19:48] <blaze> clivejo: so what's the deal with the access to alioth? what happened?
[19:49] <ahoneybun> mm weird
[19:49] <ahoneybun> qmake: could not exec '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/bin/qmake': No such file or directory
[19:49] <ahoneybun> it needs Qt 5.6 though
[19:50] <yofel> qtchooser ist trying to use the wrong qt
[19:50] <ahoneybun> I see that
[19:50] <ahoneybun> mm
[19:50] <ahoneybun> Qt version 4.8.7
[19:50] <ahoneybun> I'm trying to make qupzilla
[19:51] <blaze> qt-default package should be installed
[19:51] <blaze> err qt5-default
[19:52] <yofel> that shouldn't be necessary as a build-dep
[19:52] <yofel> but it would fix is for the moment, right
 I have both but it did it with qt5-qmake as well
[19:52] <yofel> and qmake -qt5 ?
 seems it is: https://github.com/QupZilla/qupzilla
 same error
 oh
 Project ERROR: QupZilla requires at least QtWebEngine 5.6!
[19:53] <blaze> sure
[19:53] <blaze> you can build only 1.8
 I'm on yakkety with 5.6
[19:54] <yofel> the ci ppa has qtwebengine, as does neon FWIW
 I have all the staging, it's missing qtwebengine?
[19:54] <yofel> *sigh*, why is using a bluetooth audio device in linux still a PITA in 2016
[19:55] <yofel> maybe, I don't know what's in staging right now
 we don't
 mm
 wait
[19:55] <blaze> qtwebengine from 5.6 is pretty outdated btw
 IDK well i need something
 as long as it is over 5.6
 Debian does not have it either
[20:05] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+packages?field.name_filter=qtwebengine
 I'd rather avoid the CI
 mm
[20:06] <acheronuk> copy to another ppa then
 I can just grab the deb though
[20:06] <clivejo> it not in simons PPA?
 can I just get the deb and install that?
 or will it break everything and set it all on fire?
[20:07] <clivejo> dunno, probably has dependancies
 mm not that crazy to add the CI PPA yet
[20:08] <acheronuk> clivejo: probably still in simon's ppa, but the one in CI is more current, as QtWebEngine needed a no change rebuild against some fo the stuff that migrated from proposed recently
[20:08] <clivejo> ahoneybun: its not crazy
[20:08] <clivejo> just need to be sensible and watch what apt is grabbing
 it says very unstable
[20:08] <clivejo> pick what you want and disable it again
 I don't need it that bad
[20:21] <blaze> don't be afraid, be a ninja
[20:29] <sakrecoer> hi guys, i'm writing the release announcement, and i found this one-liner from 15.10:
[20:29] <sakrecoer> "Kubuntu uses KDE software and now features the new Plasma 5 desktop."
[20:29] <sakrecoer> i reckon the plasma version might have changed, and maybe you want something different all together?
[20:30] <clivejo> its still version 5
[20:31] <sakrecoer> should i just copy pasta that then? you can think about it until tomorrow anyways :)
[20:32] <clivejo> release statement for what?
[20:32] <sakrecoer> beta1
[20:32] <clivejo> yakkety
[20:32] <clivejo> !info plasma-desktop
 we are not going for Beta 1 are we?
[20:33] <sakrecoer> yes, yakkety..
[20:33] <yofel> we were, but I don't have time to fix it up, and nobody else seems to bother
 fix up what yofel?
[20:34] <yofel> our images are unbuildable thanks to some kactivities/kactivitymanagerd dependency mess
 oh that
 I thought you meant annocements
 /me knows he spelled that wron
[20:55] <clivejo> yofel: can you comment out okular on our seed
[20:56] <yofel> why?
[20:58] <valorie> ?
[20:58] <valorie> we need okular!
[20:58] <acheronuk> okular depends libkactivites6
[20:59] <clivejo> we need to fix it
[20:59] <clivejo> in apps 16.04.3
[20:59] <clivejo> https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/applications/okular.git/tree/debian/control
[21:00] <clivejo> dunno why we need it
[21:00] <clivejo> but can you comment it out for a test?
[21:00] <clivejo> might not be the problem but might get us a step closer to figuring it out
[21:01] <yofel> oh, this is a qt4 thing
[21:01] <yofel> ok, I'll remove it in a bit
[21:01] <clivejo> I dont have bzr access to the seed
[21:02] <acheronuk> reverse-depends libkactivities6
[21:02] <acheronuk> Reverse-Depends
[21:02] <acheronuk> [21:02] <acheronuk> * calligra-libs
[21:02] <acheronuk> * dolphin4
[21:02] <acheronuk> * kde-runtime
[21:02] <acheronuk> * konqueror
[21:02] <acheronuk> * libkactivities-dbg
[21:02] <acheronuk> * libkactivities-dev
[21:02] <acheronuk> * libkateinterfaces4
[21:02] <acheronuk> * okular
[21:02] <acheronuk> * rekonq
[21:02] <clivejo> I thought was only studio was affected cause their seed pulls calligra
[21:08]  * clivejo shouts "all abroad Shiny Rik"
[21:08] <acheronuk> okular has a FW branch, but they seem in no hurry..
[21:08] <acheronuk> I still don't understand why 'shiny'
[21:09] <clivejo> shiney?
[21:09] <clivejo> like in brand new sparkles and shiney
[21:09] <clivejo> add debian as a remote
[21:12] <yofel> oh great, the last person that updated kubuntu-meta did that on yakkety, and I have no set up yakkety chroot :(
[21:13] <valorie> :(
[21:14] <yofel> clivejo: can you like, pull kubuntu-meta from yakkety, run the update script inside then... tar up and send me the result?
[21:15] <yofel> or do it in your linode container, then I should be able to remote debsign it
[21:15] <clivejo> wait wait
[21:15] <clivejo> grrr
[21:15] <yofel> well, or someone else
[21:16] <clivejo> sorry
[21:17] <clivejo> that was directed at rik
[21:17] <clivejo> too many conversations
[21:17] <clivejo> he was scrolling like a crazy person
[21:18] <yofel> lxd copied the behavior of docker to assign random names to containers, so it once called a container 'semiretired-philip' - since then I also adopted to scheme of assigning random nonsense names to containers
[21:18] <yofel> hence, "shiny"
[21:19] <clivejo> and control
[21:21] <valorie> lol
[21:21] <clivejo> dont laugh at me
[21:22] <clivejo> my head hurts
[21:23] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} to clivejo
[21:23] <valorie> I was laughing at yofel's silly names for containers
[21:28] <blaze> halp, qupzilla is trying to kill me
[21:28] <blaze> with some strange epileptic flicker
[21:31] <acheronuk> ahh. that explains the names :)
[21:31] <clivejo> just do a diff
[21:33] <soee> do you have qupzilla 2 builds ?
[21:33] <clivejo> LOL hardly worth the effort
[21:33] <clivejo> but at least you learned how to do a merge!
[21:36] <clivejo> yofel: ./update: 13: exec: germinate-update-metapackage: not found
[21:36] <yofel> you will have to install a couple things
[21:36] <blaze> probably something is wrong with the qtwebengine from ci
[21:37] <blaze> i'll check again but only yesterday
[21:37] <blaze> i mean tomorrow
[21:37] <blaze> lol
[21:38] <acheronuk> you have a build?
[21:39] <clivejo> yofel: done, and script running
[21:39] <yofel> thanks!
[21:39] <yofel> that'll take a while
[21:39] <clivejo> indeed and on my internet will take a lifetime!
[21:41]  * clivejo sings the Rick song
 soee still around?
[21:56] <clivejo> I seem to be downloading the entire archive!
[21:57]  * clivejo shouts and kicks stuff
[21:57] <clivejo> WHY!!!
[21:58] <acheronuk> this is an iso build?
[21:59]  * clivejo just pressed Control and C to copy a line about ports arm
[21:59] <yofel> you are downloading all package indizes for all architectures. So you *are* downloading the whole archive index at least :P
[21:59] <clivejo> and cancelled the fecking things
[21:59]  * clivejo cries
[22:01] <clivejo> why do we use Control C to copy stuff all over the desktop, yet in terminal it cancels stuff
[22:03] <clivejo> yofel: so Rik has done a debian merge on okular and just uploaded to staging
[22:03] <soee> acheronuk: sup ?
[22:09] <acheronuk> well, will upload when get remote signing to work
[22:20] <acheronuk> nope. not letting me remote sign
[22:22] <clivejo> grab it locally and just do it from there
[22:22] <acheronuk> I am
[22:24] <acheronuk> done.
[22:27] <clivejo> acheronuk: when using that tool, its best to create a new directory for it
[22:28] <clivejo> ie workspace/okular/okular
[22:28] <clivejo> as it puts the build files in ../
[22:28] <acheronuk> true
[22:28] <acheronuk> if not you would get a common upload dir if you were doing a few
[22:29] <clivejo> in clean environment it wouldnt be a problem, but if you working with few packages could get files mixed up together
[22:29] <clivejo> caused me issues in the past
[22:30] <clivejo> also helps with scripting multiple packages
[22:34] <acheronuk> gotcha
[22:35] <acheronuk> grr. remote signing now works once it I did it locally. odd
[22:35] <clivejo> what did it complain about?
[22:38] <acheronuk> could not find my secret key, when local signing and gpg-agent was working just fine
[22:39] <clivejo> debsign is temperamental
[22:39] <acheronuk> okular built, and no deps on anything kactivities I think :)
[22:40]  * clivejo wipes sweat off brow
[22:40] <clivejo> yofel: script just finished
[22:41] <clivejo> next time this should be done on Linode :P
[22:41] <acheronuk> that would be quick
[22:41] <clivejo> [ppc64el] Merging seeds with available package lists...
[22:41] <clivejo> dch warning: your current directory has been renamed to:
[22:41] <clivejo> ../kubuntu-meta-1.343
[22:41] <clivejo> Removed okular from desktop [arm64 armhf ppc64el], full [arm64 armhf ppc64el]
[22:41] <clivejo> Removed okular-extra-backends from desktop-recommends [arm64 armhf ppc64el], full-recommends [arm64 armhf ppc64el]
[22:44] <clivejo> changelog says the same
[23:00] <clivejo> yofel: pushed it to my PPA - https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/yakkety/+packages
 Lost internet again


[12:32] <StevenK> Can someone please kill the upload of list 1.9.93-1ubuntu1 from the unapproved queue? My fix in it is still prone to breakage.
[12:43] <sladen> http://lwn.net/Articles/227567/#Comments  "Oh, and upstart (which is now the default) really is quite a bit faster than sysvinit.
[12:43] <sladen> ...all in the psychology I tell yer
[12:44] <mc44> placebo ftw
[12:44] <Burgwork> yep
[12:44] <_ion> Hehe
[01:35] <mdz> andi5: hi
[01:35] <andi5> rehi
[01:36] <mdz> andi5: seb128 is the person to talk to about this, but he's in France and so hopefully asleep right now
[01:36] <andi5> i am in germany, what the... ;-)
[01:36] <mdz> andi5: we can surely figure something out to get gnucash working again for feisty (I'm a pretty heavy user myself), but it's not clear what the best solution is yet
[01:37] <andi5> i thought about patching 2.0, but it is a much bigger change than one might expect, really
[01:37] <Fujitsu> It FTBFS, doesn't it?
[01:38] <andi5> yes
[01:50] <mdz> andi5: I've subscribed seb128 to the bug and asked for his input there
[01:51] <andi5> so i have verified that 3.13.6-0ubuntu1 has the symbol and 3.13.91-0ubuntu1 does not.... too bad that the latter still uses libgtkhtml3.8-15
[01:51] <mdz> andi5: that appears to have been an upstream mistake, they forgot to update the soname
[01:51] <andi5> yep
[01:55] <andi5> mdz: thanks a lot :-)
[01:59] <rpereira> Hi, does someone knows who is the coordinator of "Summer of Code" project on Ubuntu?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> argh...why's main still frozen?
[02:32] <Athensman> is xubuntu good for a 366 celeron and 256 ram??
[02:40] <David_Repa_FG> Hello, BFTD from #ubuntu-women suggested I come in here and let you folks know what we are doing up here with Free Geek in Vancouver, BC, is that ok?
[02:41] <adamant1988> Athensman it's great for that hardware
[02:58] <glick> hi
[02:58] <glick> hey can someone help me set up a driver development enviornment?
[02:59] <glick> i am reading Linux Device Drivers and want to compile some of the example code
[05:13] <racarr> Can someone give some beryl uploads to universe a shove in to the archive (freeze) ?
[05:13] <racarr> aquamarine, beryl-settings-simple, beryl-plugins, and beryl-core
[06:24] <mdz> racarr: uploads of packages which are already in the archive, during non-freeze periods, don't require any manual intervention
[06:25] <racarr> mdz: I thought the archive was in a freeze right now
[06:27] <mdz> racarr: we are, but only because beta just went out.  feisty will unfreeze shortly (tomorrowish)
[06:27] <mdz> and everything queued will go in as normal
[06:27] <racarr> Ok, will just wait then
[07:07] <scorpion> heya :)
[07:08] <scorpion> wanted to work for gSoC .. is this the right place to discuss for ubuntu ideas
[07:09] <LaserJock> scorpion: I'm not sure if there is a specific channel for SoC or not
[07:10] <LaserJock> scorpion: do you have a specific question?
[07:10] <scorpion> LaserJock: I just wanted to know more about privacy tools
[07:10] <scorpion> I am eager to work on them
[07:12] <scorpion> may I know if some one is working on these tools
[07:14] <LaserJock> well, I'm guessing that's why it's a SoC idea
[07:17] <scorpion> LaserJock: may i konw if you are a mentor
[07:24] <LaserJock> scorpion: yes
[07:26] <scorpion> may i know if you are into this privacy tools
[07:26] <LaserJock> not particularly
[07:30] <scorpion> LaserJock: hey i was thinking of going ahead with a normal RSA encryption to encrpt the home directory by changing the key every week depending on the date
[07:31] <scorpion> the home directory  is to be kept encypted untill the user wants to work
[07:43] <scorpion> may i get some help on this
[07:46] <LaserJock> hmm, it's late Friday/early Saturday
[07:46] <LaserJock> there might not be lot of people up yet
[07:53] <scorpion> thnx
[08:30] <Mithrandir> Seveas: hiya, could I get Ubugtu into a channel and tell me each time somebody milestones a bug for a particular milestone?
[08:40] <Treenaks> t
[09:10] <scorpion> hey may i get some help on privacy tools
[09:20] <Seveas> Mithrandir, maybe -- have to check whether lp sends out that info in a not-too-hard parseable way
[09:45] <tepsipakki> Mithrandir: a new discover1 was released yesterday, and it's going into etch as well. Fixes at least bug #90175
[09:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 90175 in discover1 "vesa driver used instead of radeon for R300" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90175
[09:45] <tepsipakki> maybe we could have that
[09:45] <tepsipakki> s/have/want/
[09:46] <Mithrandir> tepsipakki: sounds useful.
[09:46] <Mithrandir> tepsipakki: can you just follow normal UVFe procedures?  I try not to work on weekends..
[09:47] <tepsipakki> of course :)
[09:48] <Mithrandir> cheers
[09:55] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Would you mind killing list from the unapproved queue (if it still lives there) ?
[10:00] <Mithrandir> StevenK: as in, reject it?  Sure, I can do that.
[10:01] <Mithrandir> rejected
[10:01] <StevenK> Thanks
[10:34] <siretart> Mithrandir: regarding the wpasupplicant crash, I attached a changelog diff and a diffstat to bug #91676
[10:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 91676 in wpasupplicant "wpa_supplicant crashes in: wpa_supplicant_dbus_notify_state_change (wpa_s=)" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91676
[10:36] <Enola_Gay> hi all
[10:37] <Enola_Gay> Why is the lowest value in power manager 11 minutes?
[10:37] <Enola_Gay> It is a very, very long time imho especially with a battery.
[10:37] <Enola_Gay> I am using Feisty maybe it only happens there.
[10:41] <Enola_Gay> Please, at least a reason or is there a possiblity to change it without recompile parts of gnome?
[10:51] <Enola_Gay> HP-Toolbox ist installed by default but couldn't be started in Ubuntu Feisty because of dependency problems.
[12:14] <_ion> Hi pitti
[12:15] <_ion> Please pull the changes from my branch
[12:16] <pitti> hey hey
[12:16] <pitti> _ion: will do
[12:16] <Hobbsee> hiya _ion, pitti
[12:16] <_ion> Hi Hobbsee
[12:16] <ajmitch> hey pitti
[12:32] <Enola_Gay> Why is the lowest value in gnome power manager 11 minutes?
[12:36] <astopy> screensaver time is probably 10 minutes
[12:36] <astopy> the power manager time is screensaver+1 minute for some reason
[12:55] <pitti> _ion: pulled/pushed, thank you!
[01:34] <gnomefreak> pitti: when you get a minute i have a question about the corrupted coredump traceback i get here and there.
[02:43] <DarkSun88> Hello
[02:58] <cjwatson> JonRob: hmm, I guess depmod might need to be run or something, it's unclear
[02:59] <JonRob> cjwatson: have you just got my message from earlier!?
[02:59] <cjwatson> JonRob: might be easier to get a stock edgy install, install casper on it, edit /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hook-functions to find the bits that say "isofs" and add "udf" to them as well, 'update-initramfs -u', and copy the resulting /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-generic to /casper/initrd.gz
[03:00] <cjwatson> JonRob: I went to bed early last night, and it's Saturday today so I'm not working much
[03:00] <JonRob> sure...i'm never working much :s
[03:00] <cjwatson> JonRob: oh, for the record and to my knowledge, I'm no relation of T. J. Watson ;-)
[03:00] <JonRob> haha ok - how have you seen all these back logs?
[03:00] <racarr> Is anyone else able to use rgba colormaps with the latest version of pygtk in feisty? it works fine with GTK, but not with pygtk, and worked recently, but I can't find aynthing in pygtk that could have set it off
[03:00] <JonRob> sorry - prob wrong place to ask!
[03:01] <JonRob> to copy the /boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-generic to /casper/initrd.gz - need to be cpio again?
[03:01] <cjwatson> JonRob: I leave my client connected overnight and it sits at the last place I read anything until I page down
[03:01] <cjwatson> JonRob: no, it's in the right format already, and already gzipped etc.
[03:02] <cjwatson> just cp will do
[03:02] <JonRob> oh ok awesome
[03:02] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: were you planning to unfreeze today?
[03:03] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: yeah, I guess I should.
[03:03] <Mithrandir> even though I'm pretending not to look at IRC today.
[03:03] <JonRob> cjwatson: could i not just edit the extracted iso?
[03:03] <cjwatson> JonRob: what do you mean?
[03:04] <JonRob> well, i've got the extracted iso image of the livecd with casper on it - could i not just edit the boot/initrd.img-2.6.17-10-generic
[03:04] <JonRob> on there
[03:04] <JonRob> if i chroot
[03:05] <cjwatson> no, you can't chroot into the ISO9660 filesystem
[03:05] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: good news, I have an initial fedora dir server package
[03:05] <ajmitch> something to clean up for feisty+1
[03:05] <JonRob> cjwatson: even after mounting and cp the files over to a temp folder?
[03:06] <cjwatson> JonRob: it doesn't have e.g. /bin/sh or a C library
[03:06] <cjwatson> it doesn't look anything like a Unix root filesystem - you can't chroot to it
[03:06] <JonRob> ok sure
[03:06] <cjwatson> not and do anything useful, anyway
[03:06] <JonRob> so once i've done what you've suggested, how do i put that back in to being a livecd?
[03:06] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: coolie
[03:07] <cjwatson> JonRob: you copy in the updated /casper/initrd.gz and then just do the same mkisofs thing you were doing earlier
[03:07] <JonRob> oh ok - wow easy :D
[03:07] <JonRob> i'll give it a go
[03:08] <cjwatson> that's the theory, anyway
[03:08] <sabdf1> ajmitch: sweet!
[03:08] <JonRob> lol ok, i'll let you know how it goes
[03:08] <sabdf1> ajmitch: is that the old netscape directory server codebase?
[03:08] <cjwatson> my tests used a different approach involving editing casper code to force it to mount as iso9660 instead, but mounting as udf should work fine once the kernel module is available
[03:10] <JonRob> cjwatson: Before i do this - is there a quicker way than repartioning my drive for the tmep install?
[03:11] <sladen> Mithrandir: unfrozen, shall I change the topic then? :)
[03:12] <ajmitch> sabdf1: yep
[03:12] <ajmitch> cleaned up, using autotools in cvs head
[03:12] <sabdf1> i have an old mate who worked on it then - John Hines - any sign of him still actively committing?
[03:13] <ajmitch> I haven't seen his name on the list, but I haven't been watching the cvs logs
[03:16] <mr_pouit> Could someone help me for Bug #95469 ? I am unable to reproduce it in a pbuilder, it may be buildd-specific... :/
[03:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 95469 in ucspi-tcp "[feisty]  FTBFS" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95469
[03:20] <cjwatson> JonRob: oh, you don't need to repartition - use debootstrap to create an edgy chroot
[03:24] <JonRob> cjwatson: can i point it at an iso instead of downloading?
[03:25] <cjwatson> JonRob: not a live CD, no
[03:26] <JonRob> ok...so point it at a mirror
[03:26] <cjwatson> debootstrap only installs a base system, though, and doesn't take that long. You'd just need to install casper on top of that.
[03:26] <JonRob> oh ok - cool
[03:26] <JonRob> i'm learning alot here!
[03:27] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: can you change OFFICIAL back again now that beta's out?
[03:28] <cjwatson> Mithrandir: yep
[03:28] <Mithrandir> cheers
[03:29] <cjwatson> done
[03:32] <mdke> who knows which languages are shipped on the cd?
[03:34] <cjwatson> mdke: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ubuntu.feisty/ship and http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ubuntu.feisty/live
[03:34] <mdke> cjwatson: thanks
[03:35] <cjwatson> substitute kubuntu.feisty etc. as appropriate
[03:35] <mdke> blimey some strange ones there
[03:35] <cjwatson> xh is the only real anomaly; the rest are by population
[03:35] <mdke> right
[03:36] <mdke> although population is not necessary the same as ubuntu users
[03:36] <mdke> (necessarily)
[03:36] <cjwatson> that's true, but we have no fair way to measure that
[03:36] <cjwatson> and really, the ones that seem "odd" are probably the best targets for growth
[03:37] <mdke> is producing other isos with different languages out of the question?
[03:37] <cjwatson> for the core project, pretty much yes, IMO
[03:37] <cjwatson> combinatorial explosion is a huge problem if you embark on that
[03:38] <cjwatson> I think a more tractable approach is to continue to make it easier for locos to produce them
[03:38] <mdke> agreed
[03:39] <cjwatson> if I could believe that images would just work when they looked like they'd just work, maybe it wouldn't be a problem
[03:39] <cjwatson> but we've had so many problems in the past with problems that we could never have anticipated following what looked like totally harmless changes
[03:40] <mdke> hmm, even just with language-packs?
[03:40] <cjwatson> hell yes
[03:40] <cjwatson> there was the squashfs bug that only happened with live filesystems of a certain length, or something like that
[03:41] <mdke> ah right
[03:42] <cjwatson> while that's been fixed, it's an excellent example of how we can't afford not to at least test-boot images - and there've been similar kinds of installer problems that would have been just as bad if allowed to slip through
[03:42] <mdke> makes sense
[03:42] <cjwatson> like I say, if software were perfect, everything would be a lot easier ;-)
[03:43] <mdke> ok, is it correct to say (on the website derivatives page):
[03:43] <mdke> Due to space considerations on the Ubuntu CDs, only English, Spanish, French, Arabic, Xhosa, Bengali, Russian and Portuguese are included out of the box. Support for many other languages can be added from the internet. The following derivatives have full language support for the relevant language on the CD:

[03:44] <cjwatson> that information is very specific to certain images
[03:44] <cjwatson> the seeds are mutable; they have changed and will change again
[03:44] <cjwatson> I'd suggest just saying "only some languages", or else qualifying by release
[03:45] <mdke> oh, ok
[03:45] <cjwatson> it also depends on the architecture
[03:45] <cjwatson> even amd64 and i386 have different amounts of space available for language packs
[03:45] <mdke> yeah, I saw that
[03:45] <cjwatson> basically we fill up whatever space is left at the end with language packs
[03:45] <JonRob> cjwatson: i think i might be missing something, i've done the debootstrap and chrooted, edited hook-functions and update-initramfs -u but nothing in /boot/
[03:46] <cjwatson> JonRob: oh, you need to install the kernel as well - debootstrap won't do that
[03:46] <cjwatson> JonRob: install linux-generic
[03:46] <JonRob> lol ok
[03:47] <JonRob> yep
[03:47] <cjwatson> doing that should create the initramfs for you - no need to run update-initramfs again afterwards
[03:47] <JonRob> linux-image-generic
[03:48] <cjwatson> add restricted after main in /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update, and use linux-generic
[03:48] <JonRob> ok
[03:48] <cjwatson> unless you're ok dropping support for stuff like atheros wireless
[03:50] <JonRob> smeg...connections never seem to go thru when you want them to!
[03:59] <JonRob> cjwatson: casper is installed but there's no /casper directory? create it?
[04:04] <DarkSun88> Any main-sponsor out there?
[04:04] <DarkSun88> could you please review bug #95238?
[04:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 95238 in check "Please sync check 0.9.4-3 (main) from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95238
[04:36] <cjwatson> JonRob: no I mean the /casper directory on the ISO filesystem
[04:40] <JonRob> yeah sure - i've figured that now
[04:41] <JonRob> just burning the disc now
[04:56] <WaqasToor> need help with gnome localization ... where to put those files that rossetta send ... i.e. PO files
[04:58] <sladen> if anyone is using binary Nvidia and has broken suspend/resume, could they test the fix suggested in bug #34043 (adding "Option NvAGP 1" to xorg.conf)
[04:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 34043 in acpi-support "Nvidia binary driver requires Option "NvAGP" "1" for reliable suspend/resume." [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/34043
[04:59] <JonRob> cjwatson: it works! just used the same disk to boot and watch videos :D
[04:59] <JonRob> only problem was the graphical boot disappeared, no kind of feedback
[05:01] <WaqasToor> need help with gnome localization ... where to put those files that rossetta send ... i.e. PO files
[05:02] <cjwatson> JonRob: oh, you maybe need to install usplash and usplash-theme-ubuntu and regenerate the initramfs again. sorry, forgot that
[05:02] <JonRob> lol no problem - just awesome that it works!
[05:02] <JonRob> thanks for all your help with this - know it's not exactly a common use case :p
[05:07] <WaqasToor> any body ??????
[05:34] <superm1> BenC, ping
[05:34] <BenC> superm1: pong
[05:35] <superm1> heya BenC, i wanted to ask you about the possibility of building lirc modules off the kernel build process now.  keescook and i straightened out the lirc package a few weeks ago, and now everything builds cleanly on feisty kernels (except parallel since its not smp safe)
[05:36] <superm1> the problem before was that i2c and gpio were badly broken when i last brought this up in edgy
[05:36] <BenC> superm1: If you can provide a patch to put it in ubuntu/ in our git tree, I can maybe do it
[05:36] <superm1> okay, i'll look to see how bad it is to make it into a patch
[05:46] <DarkSun88> Any main-sponsor out there?
[05:49] <bf> where (in launchpad?) can i see a list of bugs in feisty?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+bugs  only lists 9 (?!?)
[05:51] <superm1> appears that we are doing a pretty good job ;)  i think those are just bugs that are specifically associated with the feisty release
[05:52] <bf> yeah, is there a place to see roughly what's left?
[05:53] <superm1> afaik, just using https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs is the only way to see all of the bugs, because some may have been reported in say edgy, but are still troubles in feisty
[05:54] <bf> interesting.  so by that theory, the 9 listed in feisty are the only regressions?
[05:56] <superm1> well not necessarily.  if someone is to report a bug during feisty, but not mark feisty as a release, it may still be a regression
[05:59] <Enola_Gay> hi all
[06:32] <cjwatson> bf: we don't actually really use /ubuntu/feisty/+bugs - only confused people use that :)
[06:32] <cjwatson> for the mainline development branch we just use /ubuntu/+bugs
[06:33] <cjwatson> but https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-7.04 may be what you're actually looking for
[06:36] <cjwatson> the targeted features there haven't been triaged, though, so ignore them
[06:38] <bf> cjwatson: thanks!
[08:33] <yacoob> Hi. Does upstart, as it is right now in Edgy does something more than old init-based config did?
[08:35] <beuno> yacoob: I don't think so no. It starts using some event based scripts in Feisty
[08:35] <yacoob> beuno, can you give me some examples?
[08:36] <beuno> yacoob: sadly, no, I'm no expert
[08:36] <beuno> but I'm sure you will get a good response from their mailing list
[08:36] <yacoob> I just pranced around /etc/event.d, and discovered that there's nothing special about it... :)
[08:37] <beuno> it's a long-term effort
[08:37] <beuno> if I recall correctly, feisty+1 will only event-based in startup
[08:38] <fabbione> it's a process that takes time to evolve
[08:38] <fabbione> changing everything cannot be done overnight
[08:38] <fabbione> specially if you think how many packages you need to change, test and merge
[08:39] <fabbione> you ought be patience young padowa
[08:39] <yacoob> I'm in no hurry, rather curious.
[08:39] <yacoob> but basically I got my information I was lacking.
[08:39] <yacoob> It will require extra extra work, because debian would probably stick to standard init scripts
[08:40] <beuno> yes, it seems so, but since we're getting more and more distros based off Ubuntu, who knows  :D
[08:40] <fabbione> yacoob: debian will probably support both at some point
[08:40] <fabbione> and stick with both forever
[08:40] <fabbione> the point is that you can theoretically support both from a standard package point of view
[08:41] <fabbione> the issue is that you can't have upstart and sysvinit installed at the same time
[08:41] <yacoob> sure, but I'd like to see the stick you use in order to beat packagers to do the extra work :>
[08:41] <fabbione> yacoob: there is no stick.. otherwise it would have been done for edgy :)
[08:42] <fabbione> it's on a best effort base
[08:42] <fabbione> if somebody will force a change then he/she will also do all the changes :)
[08:43] <yacoob> appologise me for being sarcastic, lately I've been a bit dissapointed about debian :|
[08:50] <fabbione> yacoob: sarcasm is ok.. sorry i might not have catch it
[09:15] <lifeless> fabbione: dude, you MADE that terrorist
[09:19] <fabbione> lifeless: i know..
[09:19] <lifeless> we should call you osama
[09:19] <lifeless> ;)
[09:21] <fabbione> ehehhe
[09:44] <robertj> ajmitch: is anything going on with authtool these days?
[09:45] <ajmitch> yep
[09:48] <robertj> where does that code live?
[09:48] <LaserJock> in ajmitch's head
[09:50] <ajmitch> haha
[09:50] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I said kick me to remind me later :P
[09:50] <robertj> is there an arch repo with something newer than .2 ?
[09:50] <ajmitch> last night I was busy with other important stuff :)
[09:51] <ajmitch> not really, wait a day & I'll update & push the latest
[09:52] <ajmitch> robertj: what do you need from it, specifically?
[09:52] <robertj> nothing, just interested
[09:52] <ajmitch> ok
[09:52] <robertj> I've just got a vendetta against auth guis after dealing with OS X server
[09:53] <robertj> (as soon as my funding comes through, hello vmware)
[09:53] <ajmitch> hah
[09:53] <ajmitch> so you're looking for something else to hate :)
[09:54] <ajmitch> especially as the ui in the authtool in feisty sucks, badly
[09:54] <robertj> vmware has been fine, I've already got my edgy smb vm all set up, I just need a machine with 1.5 tb to put it on
[09:54] <ajmitch> hm, that's a fair bit
[09:55] <robertj> ajmitch: I was just thinking that disclosure triangles could'nt be long in coming
[09:55] <ajmitch> oh no, I've been reworking the GUI so it doesn't suck
[09:55] <robertj> going to support sub-ous on A?
[09:55] <robertj> err AD?
[09:55] <ajmitch> problem is that it's only partly there, and I needed to do some fixups today to get something else uploaded
[09:56] <ajmitch> if possible, and if I know how :)
[09:57] <robertj> ajmitch: on the command line net ads join gets replaced with net ads join myou, and optionally you have some ldap prefix foo that gets added to smb.conf
[09:57] <ajmitch> alright, thanks
[09:58] <robertj> vital for me because I don't have access to add outside my sub ou, so I can't join machines to the domain unless i put em in the sub ou. I'm sure most computer labs using active directory in education would have similar needs
[09:58] <ajmitch> ok
[10:00] <robertj> does Workgroup make sense in the context of AD?
[10:00] <ajmitch> most things don't
[10:00] <ajmitch> most of the stuff there doesn't need to be asked
[10:00] <ajmitch> or can be guessed & changed later
[10:02] <robertj> domain, user, pass, and advanced/more/whatever hig dictates
[10:08] <mdke> where are the xubuntu isos? the links on the beta announcement are broken and I'm looking for the right ones
[10:08] <mdke> I can see edubuntu/kubuntu here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[10:09] <cjwatson> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/feisty/beta/
[10:09] <cjwatson> it's linked from the front page of releases.ubuntu.com, too
[10:11] <mdke> cjwatson: thanks, will update
[10:12] <mdke> cjwatson: any reason there isn't a link on that url I posted above, like for the others?
[10:13] <cjwatson> there is
[10:13] <cjwatson> "Although they are not directly supported by Canonical, releases of Xubuntu are available from the cdimage server."
[10:13] <mdke> oh, I thought xubuntu was supported
[10:13] <cjwatson> it's not in the directory listing there because it's not served from releases.ubuntu.com.
[10:13] <cjwatson> no
[10:25] <lengau> Hi.
[10:26] <lengau> does anyone know where I can find that recommendation to install some form of revision control in a future Ubuntu for the home directory (makes it something like Time Machine on Mac)
[10:34] <LaserJock> lengau: the SoC project ideas page?
[10:37] <lengau> @LaserJock - Thank you! That's where it is!
[10:50] <Tonio_> hi
[10:52] <Tonio_> I just saw my aquamarine upload was rejected.
[10:52] <Tonio_> current package ftbfs due to missing autoconf and automake builddep
[10:52] <Tonio_> Mithrandir: any idea why it was rejected ?
[11:23] <superm1> BenC, I have a patch almost ready that i wanted to try for lic, but i can't debuild locally here since it appears whenever i increment the chanelog, it wants a copy of 2.6.20's abi in debian/abi
[11:23] <superm1> s/lic/lirc/
[12:02] <Mithrandir> Tonio_: because another version was already accepted.
[12:02] <Mithrandir> Tonio_: hm, no, sorry, I'm not sure, that was something else.


[12:44] <alecu> @ping
[12:44] <ubot4> pong
[12:45] <nessita1> alecu: is no longer raining!
[12:47]  * karni is sadly back to Ubuntu Classic on Natty. KeePassX is a no-go before they implement app indicator. How the heck Skype and Dropbox are whitelisted while pidgin has no Tray icon.


[01:11] <gf2> Hello. I am just learning about triaging tickets. The ubuntu-bugs team sent me to this IRC channel for my question. I have an older ticket that the reporter says is still a problem.  I found an upstream bug (   https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=202257     ). It is an older bug that has a long history and was re-opened by the gnome team, in May 2017 and is still open. But now I read about the migration from bugzilla.gnome
[01:11] <gf2> .org to GitLab  that may have happened last month.  Does anyone know if  *ALL* the old tickets have been migrated to the GitLab?  Should I get registered there and submit a new ticket? I searched the GitLab (using ticket number or ticket title) but did not find any matching ticket.
[07:49] <willcooke> morning
[07:54] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[07:54] <duflu> Predictably quiet
[07:55] <jibel> Good morning everyone
[07:55] <duflu> Morning jibel
[07:55] <jibel> hi duflu
[08:01] <Laney> hey
[08:03] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:03] <seb128> & willcooke duflu jibel
[08:03] <duflu> Hi Laney, seb128
[08:03] <seb128> how is everyone today?
[08:03] <duflu> So so today seb128. You?
[08:03] <seb128> oh? what's up?
[08:03] <seb128> I'm better, getting over that cold
[08:04] <seb128> though I've been woken up at 6am, the kid decided it was enough sleep and it was time to start playing
[08:04] <seb128> which is ok, early start means I can go play some tennis after work :)
[08:05] <duflu> seb128, headache today. But at least like you I managed exercise yesterday
[08:06] <seb128> how is the weather in your part of the world now?
[08:06] <seb128> here it's nice and summer-y :)
[08:07] <Laney> hey seb128 duflu
[08:07] <Laney> I'm good, just been out watering /o\
[08:07] <Laney> the bill is going to be big this time
[08:08] <seb128> seems it's a dry year here as well, I saw that as a title on the frontpage of a newspaper when I stopped for coffee earlier
[08:08] <duflu> seb128, weekly average probably 7-18 degrees, and 50% sun
[08:09] <duflu> Some colder and some warmer
[08:10] <seb128> k, it's definitively better here atm :p (normal, summer is starting ;)
[08:13]  * Laney wants raiiiiiiinnnnnnn
[08:17] <willcooke> Laney, I concur.  Keeping the turf alive is getting silly now
[08:20]  * Laney wilts at willcooke
[08:20] <Laney> trying to keep the allotment going is a pain in the bum
[09:03] <seb128> happyaron, hey, do you know if anyone is working on getting the ibus /<EMAIL_ADDRESS>situation resolved in Debian?
[09:03] <seb128> it's a bit stupid what is happening, a good part of the ibus stack has been removed from testing because the alioth email used for the maintainer is now invalid
[09:03] <seb128> (just got some GNOME people pinging me asking about that)
[10:49] <Trevinho> hi folks
[10:50] <Trevinho> Question for mutter in the LTS... So far we're just using debian packages, do we want to create a fork for that for when debian won't be using 3.28 anymore as base? Or should we still work on salsa branch for that?
[10:55] <Laney> Once we're not syncing we'll need a branch
[11:23] <seb128> hey Trevinho!
[11:23] <Trevinho> hi seb128
[11:23] <seb128> I guess L_aney answered to your question
[12:14] <didrocks> good afternoon!
[12:23] <seb128> hey didrocks, where are you? how is travelling going?
[12:23] <seb128> I forgot to ask when you started your trip yesterday
[12:23] <seb128> I just know you have a 3h connection in the middle :)
[12:24] <didrocks> seb128: I'm currently in Madrid
[12:25] <didrocks> actually, first flight was late
[12:25] <seb128> ah ok
[12:25] <seb128> when is the next leg?
[12:26] <didrocks> 15h45
[12:26] <didrocks> during the team meeting
[13:07] <hggdh> hi, it is probable you already know, but... relaying from -bugs:
[13:07] <hggdh> 11:27 <gf2> Hi Everyone, I asked Carlos Soriano of the Gnome team if the Evolution old bug  tickets were migrated from gnome bugzilla to GitLab last month. Per an email from him, he says that Evolution decided not to move. So, for  Evolution upstream tickets, continue to use the Gnome Bugzilla site.  Please  pass this information on to whoever is appropriate on the bug team, in  case anyone is
[13:07] <hggdh> wondering about upstream bugs reports for the Evolu
[13:07] <hggdh> 11:27 <gf2> tion package.
[13:10] <seb128> hggdh, thanks
[13:30] <willcooke> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting 2018-07-03
[13:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Jul  3 13:30:02 2018 UTC.  The chair is willcooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[13:30] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[13:30] <willcooke> Roll call: andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks (out), duflu (out), jbicha (out?), jamesh (out), jibel/heber, kenvandine, laney,seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[13:30] <andyrock> o/
[13:30] <Laney> |o|
[13:31] <Trevinho> o/
[13:31] <willcooke> Laney is a tie fighter today
[13:31] <kenvandine> \o
[13:31] <seb128> hey
[13:31] <alexm_> ho
[13:31] <jibel> o/
[13:32] <willcooke> I've got didiers report, so we have enough people to start I think
[13:32] <willcooke> #topic andyrock
[13:32] <andyrock> -Gnome-Shell
[13:32] <andyrock>  - Keybindings:
[13:32] <andyrock>    - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/373
[13:32] <andyrock>    - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/372
[13:32] <andyrock>  - OSK:
[13:32] <andyrock>    - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/109
[13:32] <andyrock>    - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/issues/171
[13:32] <andyrock>    - Extended key not activated if mouse is never released
[13:32] <andyrock>  - Gnome-Software:
[13:32] <andyrock>    - Review https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/merge_requests/56
[13:32] <andyrock> - Sun Sprint! :D
[13:32] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue 373 in gnome-shell "Some keybindings should discard auto-repeat events" (comments: 0) [Opened]
[13:32] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue 372 in gnome-shell "Keeping Alt+Space pressed shows the window menu and then minimizes the window" (comments: 0) [Opened]
[13:32] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue 109 in gnome-shell "Extended characters in OSK don't get entered" (comments: 16) [Opened]
[13:32] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue 171 in gnome-shell "On screen keyboard closes itself while browsing the language menu" (comments: 0) [Opened]
[13:32] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 56 in gnome-software "gs-shell: Remove app menu" (comments: 2) [Opened]
[13:32] <andyrock> eow
[13:32] <willcooke> thanks andyrock!  Busy busy busy
[13:33] <willcooke> #topic didrocks
[13:33] <willcooke> oh
[13:33] <willcooke> #topic dgadomski
[13:33] <dgadomski> hey
[13:33] <dgadomski> looking into some problems in PAM-GDM interaction after migrating setup from Xenial to Bionic, no lp bug for that one yet
[13:33] <dgadomski> eof
[13:33] <willcooke> thanks dgadomski
[13:33] <willcooke> #topic didrocks
[13:34] <willcooke> * .1 work (apport/whoopsie/update-notifier)
[13:34] <willcooke>   - found a new issue that even if apport was in autosend or never send mode, it still triggers the UI. Fixing involved and update-notifier patch as well as apport.
[13:34] <willcooke>   - incrementally fixed apport and update-notifier after an issue found by j_ibel (thanks!)
[13:34] <willcooke>   - upload apport with new UI and behavior in cosmic, update-notifier fixes in both cosmic and -proposed. Next plan is to backport apport fixes in -proposed once we got enough feedback for cosmic + email maintainers.
[13:34] <willcooke>   - the apport MP still needs to be reviewed upstream: https://code.launchpad.net/~didrocks/apport/whoopsie-auto-ui/+merge/348479
[13:34] <willcooke> * Telemetry:
[13:34] <willcooke>   - discuss latest metrics and review with j_ibel
[13:34] <willcooke> * Communitheme:
[13:34] <willcooke>   - have a strategy (package-based) for 18.10
[13:34] <willcooke>   - propose and discuss merging all sources into a single one: https://community.ubuntu.com/t/merging-repositories-into-a-single-one/6769
[13:34] <willcooke>   - remove symbolic icons from appmenu: https://github.com/ubuntu/gnome-shell-communitheme/pull/218
[13:34] <gitlab-bot> ubuntu issue (Pull request) 218 in gnome-shell-communitheme "Don't use symbolic icons for appmenu" (comments: 2) [Closed]
[13:34] <willcooke>   - continuing following up upstream discussions and giving advice
[13:34] <willcooke> * GUADEC:
[13:34] <willcooke>   - outline and prepare slide for "Unity to GNOME Shell" presentation
[13:34] <willcooke>   - prepare the trip
[13:34] <willcooke> #topic duflu
[13:35] <willcooke> * Gnome Shell: Great progress this week. Authored and updated:
[13:35] <willcooke>   - Performance: Implemented hardware presentation timing for Wayland sessions: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/144
[13:35] <willcooke>   - Performance: Fixed related docs: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/143
[13:35] <willcooke>   - Performance: Completed tangential fix to unblock other performance branches: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/142
[13:35] <willcooke>   - Performance: Significantly reduced missed frames and stutter for Xorg: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/145 (and Wayland when combined with 144)
[13:35] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 144 in mutter "renderer-native: Implement FrameInfo for KMS [performance]" (comments: 2) [Opened]
[13:35] <willcooke>   - Visual correctness & performance: Zoom and general rendering fix: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/117
[13:35] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 143 in mutter "Fix docs for cogl_frame_info_get_frame_counter" (comments: 0) [Opened]
[13:35] <willcooke>   - Unfortunately I am now responsible for a quarter of mutter merge requests and none of them are progressing at the moment. I think because several Gnome people have been and will be traveling for a while.
[13:35] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 142 in mutter "clutter-text: Avoid clipping the wrong framebuffer" (comments: 5) [Opened]
[13:35] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 145 in mutter "WIP: clutter-stage-cogl: Avoid missed frames & stutter [performance]" (comments: 8) [Opened]
[13:35] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 117 in mutter "clutter: Fix offscreen-effect painting of clones [performance]" (comments: 19) [Opened]
[13:35] <willcooke> * HELP wanted with some blockages:
[13:35] <willcooke>   - GJS update awaiting Debian packaging: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1778660
[13:35] <willcooke>   - (blocked and fixed by the above) Gnome Shell leaks fix: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1672297
[13:35] <willcooke>   - [MIR] libsoxr pending desktop team approval: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1702558
[13:35] <willcooke>   - (blocked by the above) PulseAudio 12.0 major upgrade: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1778178
[13:35] <willcooke>   - BlueZ SRU for bionic awaiting sponsorship: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1759628
[13:35] <willcooke> * Daily bug management across gnome-shell, mutter, gdm3, ubuntu-themes, bluez, pulseaudio, dkms, wayland, totem, mpv, libinput.
[13:35] <willcooke>   - Mostly good steady progress.
[13:35] <willcooke>   - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRDHPxGBHqM6XkT_S8ggtYfD0xchKSUD_z9PopNVE3G1rU05fVSnxDGcDsEstl7gu7N-tzCU6mLUp2V/pubchart?oid=254968654&format=interactive
[13:35] <willcooke> #topic jbicha
[13:35] <willcooke> jbicha, around?
[13:36] <willcooke> I'll assume not, and move on.  Can come back
[13:36] <willcooke> #topic jamesh
[13:36] <willcooke> snapd/portals:
[13:36] <willcooke> - On the question of what to do with systems with old
[13:36] <willcooke> xdg-desktop-portal versions, there seems to be agreement on using an
[13:36] <willcooke> RPM spec file dependency check on OpenSUSE, so hopefully we can get
[13:36] <willcooke> the document portal activation branch merged this week.
[13:36] <willcooke> - There's a new mutter in bionic-proposed now, which fixes portals on
[13:36] <willcooke> Wayland sessions (thanks Trevinho!)
[13:36] <willcooke> - Still need to look at back porting
[13:36] <willcooke> xdg-desktop-portal/xdg-desktop-portal-gtk to xenial.
[13:36] <willcooke> - While enough is in place for file open/save support, there are
[13:36] <willcooke> problems with some of the other portals that I documented here:
[13:36] <willcooke> https://github.com/flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal/issues/196 -- I hope to
[13:36] <gitlab-bot> flatpak issue 196 in xdg-desktop-portal "Improve snap package support " (comments: 0) [Open]
[13:36] <willcooke> discuss further with the portal developers at GUADEC
[13:36] <willcooke> snapd/snap-uri-handler:
[13:36] <willcooke> - I got a review from Gustavo on this, so I don't forsee much hold up
[13:36] <willcooke> from the snapd team.
[13:37] <willcooke> - We still need to finalise the package name for the gnome-software
[13:37] <willcooke> snap and get it published to the stable channel before merging this
[13:37] <willcooke> change.
[13:37] <willcooke> - There is also the open issue that a host system provided
[13:37] <willcooke> gnome-software can claim to support snap:// URIs even when the plugin
[13:37] <willcooke> is not present:
[13:37] <willcooke> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-software/issues/405 -- this could
[13:37] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue 405 in gnome-software "gnome-software's desktop file advertises support for URI schemes it may not be able to handle" (comments: 0) [Opened]
[13:37] <willcooke> lead to uncertain behaviour on some non-Ubuntu distros
[13:37] <willcooke> - A Fedora dev also requested that we instead try to install the
[13:37] <willcooke> plugin for the host system gnome-software.  That's going to be a
[13:37] <willcooke> policy decision though.
[13:37] <willcooke> snapd/other:
[13:37] <willcooke> - Based on review comments for other proposals, I made a branch fixing
[13:37] <willcooke> similar issues in other tests I'd written:
[13:37] <willcooke> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/5413 -- unfortunately this
[13:37] <gitlab-bot> snapcore issue (Pull request) 5413 in snapd "tests: purge packages installed by accounts, calendar, and contacts interface tests" (comments: 5) [Open]
[13:37] <willcooke> seems to trigger problems on Arch.  The remaining issues are really in
[13:37] <willcooke> the snapd test infrastructure and don't directly benefit desktop
[13:37] <willcooke> tasks, so I'm not sure how much effort is worth spending on it.
[13:37] <willcooke> #topic jibel / heber
[13:37] <jibel> - SRU verification of gnome-control-center and update-notifier in Bionic.
[13:37] <jibel> - Finished work on the dashboard
[13:37] <jibel> - Verification of grub and efi fixes in cosmic and validation of the image.
[13:37] <jibel> - Fixing automated desktop ISO tests that broke after image builds have been fixed.
[13:37] <jibel> - Adding jenkins jobs for snap bluez tests on desktop
[13:37] <jibel> done
[13:38] <willcooke> thanks jibel
[13:38] <willcooke> #topic kenvandine
[13:38] <willcooke> kenvandine, around still?
[13:38] <kenvandine> * More progress on the snap-only branch of gnome-software, just need to nail down the branding/rename.
[13:38] <kenvandine> * Fixed desktop helpers crash when using LD_PRELOAD of bindtextdomain in a classic snap
[13:38] <kenvandine> * Updated gnome-contacts snap to use strict confinement, still waiting for snapd with the required interfaces land.
[13:38] <kenvandine> * Preparing for GUADEC, leaving today
[13:38] <kenvandine> ⚾
[13:38] <willcooke> thanks kenvandine
[13:38] <willcooke> #topic Laney
[13:38] <Laney> second
[13:38] <Laney> tomboy is crashing when I paste an emoji
[13:39] <willcooke> heh
[13:39] <Laney> ok
[13:39] <Laney> • 🌄 🏃
[13:39] <Laney> • Been submitting MRs to gnome for systemd stuff, got some initial reviews https://wiki.gnome.org/Initiatives/SystemdUser
[13:39] <Laney> • Helped T_revinho with his git stuff, moved the branches to ~ubuntu-desktop, need to look at the ones to merge
[13:39] <Laney> • Wrote a MP for gnome-shell to expose versioned directories for "stylesheetName" themes https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/133
[13:39] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 133 in gnome-shell "theme: Search in versioned directories" (comments: 0) [Opened]
[13:39] <Laney> • Backported libsoup2.4 CVE fix to Debian & cosmic
[13:40] <Laney> • Updated gjs in Debian, just about to sync
[13:40] <Laney> • I promised to look again at https://trello.com/c/x71lwFJG/138-track-rls-bug-numbers a week after filing, no movement
[13:40] <Laney> • no rls bugs
[13:40] <Laney> 🌽
[13:40] <willcooke> top emoji work there. 10/10
[13:40] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[13:40] <willcooke> #topic seb128
[13:41] <seb128> • travelled back from the sun-sprint and some post sprint catching up
[13:41] <seb128> • uploaded the oem fix for https://launchpad.net/bugs/1683445 to cosmic and bionic (xenial coming next)
[13:41] <seb128> • cleaned up the sponsoring queue a bit
[13:41] <seb128> • reviewed the work/plans for .1 and cosmic, we are having a slow start on the new cycle work due to the focus on .1 (which was not unexpected, but we should start transitionning now)
[13:41] <seb128> • reviewed the changes Didier has been making on the apport stack, good work Didier!
[13:41] <seb128> • reverted some libayatana use to unblock transitions in cosmic since that library is not MIRed yet
[13:41] <seb128> • debugged n-m-applet failing to build in cosmic, it's due to the n-m changes to drop some of the old libs, looking at resolving that next

[13:41] <seb128> Laney, sorry that the trello board card didn't move Laney
[13:41] <seb128> it feels like we are not keeping up with work atm, summer is tough :/
[13:41] <seb128> (also I'm travelling on thursday for GUADEC)
[13:41] <seb128> that's it from me :p
[13:41] <willcooke> thanks seb128
[13:42] <willcooke> #topic tkamppeter
[13:42] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Let generated PPD files contain all needed info about the stacking order (face-up/face-down) of the output trays to print in the correct order (first to last or last to first). Made sure that output order option settings are followed.
[13:42] <tkamppeter> - cups-filters: Started on looking into pdftopdf not doing anything (like copies) twice when called both on a client and on a server (remote CUPS queue showing as IPP printers).
[13:42] <tkamppeter> - CUPS: Reported PPD generator changes of cups-filters as feature request to CUPS.
[13:42] <tkamppeter> - Google Summer of Code 2018: Mentoring of the students on Common Print Dialog Backends and printer auto-selection by job.
[13:42] <tkamppeter> - Bugs.
[13:42] <willcooke> thanks tkamppeter
[13:42] <willcooke> #topic Trevinho
[13:43] <Trevinho> · Some mutter and compiz upstream reviews
[13:43] <Trevinho> · Refactored, improved and pushed some fixes on mutter and g-s causing crashes
[13:43] <Trevinho>   - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/81
[13:43] <Trevinho>   - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/84
[13:43] <Trevinho>   - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/82
[13:43] <Trevinho> · Pushed some refactories to g-s and mutter
[13:43] <Trevinho>   - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/3
[13:43] <Trevinho>   - https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/147
[13:43] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 81 in mutter "Move MetaOutput::crtc field into private struct and add ref-chain" (comments: 1) [Merged]
[13:43] <Trevinho> · Created a script for generating git (gbp) repositories for ubuntu desktop packages,
[13:43] <Trevinho>   and pushing them to launchpad (thanks Laney for imports, didrocks for documenting the process)
[13:43] <Trevinho>   - https://git.launchpad.net/~canonical-desktop-team/+git/ubuntu-desktop-gbp-importer?h=master
[13:43] <Trevinho>   - https://community.ubuntu.com/t/desktop-deb-packages-migration-to-git/5746/8?u=3v1n0
[13:43] <Trevinho>   - https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+git
[13:43] <Trevinho> · Telegram snap:
[13:43] <Trevinho>   - fixed upstream bug causing build issues
[13:43] <Trevinho>   - updated my PR for upstreaming it:
[13:43] <Trevinho>     + https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/pull/4505
[13:43] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 84 in mutter "window: Return -1 if meta_window_get_monitor is called on an unmanaged window" (comments: 1) [Merged]
[13:43] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 82 in gnome-shell "Support unmanaged windows monitor index (negative)" (comments: 6) [Merged]
[13:43] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 3 in gnome-shell "st-icon: Create shadow pipeline at paint time" (comments: 11) [Merged]
[13:43] <gitlab-bot> GNOME issue (Merge request) 147 in mutter "Tests: fix make run-tests when builddir != srcdir" (comments: 0) [Opened]
[13:43] <gitlab-bot> telegramdesktop issue (Pull request) 4505 in tdesktop "Snap packaging support" (comments: 10) [Open]
[13:43] <Laney> pushed fixes causing crashes?!?!?!?!?
[13:43] <Laney> job security
[13:43] <Trevinho> aaha, yeah... you know xD
[13:43] <willcooke> :D
[13:43] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[13:44] <Trevinho> Ah... Made some pizza xD
[13:44] <willcooke> Ken do you have a report from RObert?
[13:44] <willcooke> kenvandine, ^
[13:44] <kenvandine> no...
[13:44] <seb128> :-(
[13:45] <Laney> tsk
[13:45] <willcooke> He's normally good, maybe travelling already?
[13:45] <willcooke> #topic rls-bugs
[13:45] <kenvandine> maybe
[13:45] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/+bug/1773334
[13:45] <willcooke> Is this the one we keep skipping?
[13:46] <Laney> don't think so, it was only tagged recently
[13:47] <Laney> I would say notfixing and we get it by the stable update in due course though
[13:47] <seb128> +1
[13:48] <willcooke> done
[13:48] <willcooke> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:48] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1778817
[13:48] <willcooke> We need to fix that one, who can we assign?
[13:49] <seb128> I looked at that earlier, I'm not convinced it's a confirmed issue
[13:49] <seb128> also I don't why it targets bionic
[13:49] <seb128> if the issue is xenial updates the fix should be able xenial?
[13:49] <seb128> able->about
[13:49] <willcooke> heh good point
[13:49] <willcooke> jibel, could you look at recreating it as a first step?
[13:50] <seb128> +1 for that
[13:50] <jibel> willcooke, I tried, I could unlock every time. I think it's a timing issue
[13:50] <jibel> I'll try again
[13:50] <willcooke> kk, thanks
[13:50] <Laney> This is also why every sensible screensaver spawns a fresh helper process to handle the authentication through PAM. compiz (unity), apparently, does not.
[13:51] <Laney> that is the most slangasekish line ever
[13:51] <seb128> lol
[13:51] <Laney> jibel: I think the point is that it's supposed to not lock
[13:52] <jibel> Laney, yes and it locks
[13:52] <Laney> so you reproduced it...
[13:52] <jibel> the lock part not the fail to unlock part
[13:53] <Laney> don't think that matters if the point is the first half
[13:54] <willcooke> I would have thought the screen locking was desirable.  If you start and upgrade and go off for lunch, you would expect the machine to lock
[13:54] <willcooke> anyway, jibel if you can comment on the bug thats a good starting point
[13:54] <willcooke> next
[13:54] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1779051
[13:55] <Laney> no, because you are doing open heart surgery on the system while it is conscious and it can forget how to unlock itself quite easily
[13:55] <Laney> that is what happens in that bug
[13:55] <willcooke> fair
[13:55] <willcooke> kk
[13:56] <Trevinho> Yeah, I think it's not a policy problem, more a bug that what the policy says it's not respected
[13:56] <Trevinho> Unity checks on pam only, not sure what happens
[13:56] <Trevinho> another option would be setting the gnome lockdown options in gsettings to force it
[13:56] <Trevinho> but, not the nicest way
[13:56] <seb128> let's not discuss the bugs details in the meeting
[13:57] <willcooke> jibel is going to take another look
[13:57] <Laney> The point of my comments was about who should get assigned.
[13:57] <Trevinho> willcooke: 1779051 seems that is already addressed, no?
[13:57]  * Laney shrugs
[13:57] <Trevinho> https://git.launchpad.net/~canonical-desktop-team/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=924f74683e778dc967377811e414df3106015919
[13:57] <seb128> Trevinho, not SRUed to bionic yet
[13:57] <willcooke> Trevinho, yeah looks like it, although I think it needs SRUing
[13:57] <Trevinho> ah, ok... yep, agree
[13:58] <willcooke> I'll assign it to Robert
[13:58] <seb128> I don't know what to do with those
[13:58] <seb128> I would assign to Robert
[13:58] <willcooke> done
[13:58] <seb128> but he's going to do his usually disagreeing about being assigned or ignore it/unassign himself at some point
[13:58] <seb128> but oh well
[13:58] <seb128> we can have another disucssion when that happens
[13:59] <willcooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1714989
[14:00] <seb128> that has been fixed/SRUed
[14:00] <seb128> unsure why it's on the list
[14:00] <Laney> it's fix committed
[14:00] <Laney> but has a New gjs task
[14:00] <Laney> that might be in need of closing
[14:01] <willcooke> Trevinho, that one is with you please ^
[14:01] <Trevinho> soo.. the gjs task would be nice to fix, at least for C
[14:01] <Trevinho> but not strictly needed for that crash now
[14:01] <Trevinho> might be needed for others though
[14:01] <seb128> so let's invalid on this bug
[14:01] <Trevinho> So, shell side we're all set
[14:02] <seb128> it's difficult enough to read like that
[14:02] <Trevinho> I mean, invalid for bionic maybe
[14:02] <Trevinho> not for C
[14:02] <seb128> right
[14:02] <seb128> please do that
[14:02] <willcooke> thanks Trevinho
[14:02] <willcooke> k, I think that's the end of the list
[14:02] <willcooke> seb128, Laney - did I miss any?
[14:03] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1730765
[14:03] <Laney> for c
[14:04] <willcooke> at this point, I dont think we have time.  I'm ok to bump it.  I would like some other changes to the dock too, so I think bundle them up for next cycle
[14:04] <Laney> go for it
[14:04] <willcooke> done
[14:05] <Laney> EOL
[14:05] <willcooke> #topic AOB
[14:05] <willcooke> Please could someone write a summary of sun sprint for me?  With pictures.
[14:05] <willcooke> No rush, but would be a good blog post
[14:06] <Trevinho> oh... ok :)
[14:06] <willcooke> :) thanks Trevinho
[14:06] <seb128> served with a tequilla next to the pool? ;)
[14:06] <seb128> lol
[14:06] <willcooke> Any other business?
[14:06] <Trevinho> Laney: want to make your blog cool? :-D
[14:06] <Laney> ok, I'll copy and paste your text in there :-)
[14:06] <willcooke> Didnt someone want to talk about Nautilus?
[14:07] <Laney> we should probably talk about gnome updates at some point
[14:07] <seb128> there was some community hub discussions about it where Didier pointed people here
[14:07] <Laney> like if other people need to pick those up more
[14:07] <seb128> is that what you refering to?
[14:08] <willcooke> seb128, yeah.  Oh, I think you replied there already.  But anyway, I dont think we should move until the "desktop" feature appears elsewhere
[14:08] <seb128> right
[14:08] <willcooke> Laney, can you talk about GNOME updates in person at GUADEC and then we can discuss in the meeting next time?
[14:08] <seb128> we are a bit under the water atm
[14:09] <seb128> we also said we would enable tracker this cycle
[14:09] <seb128> but that doesn't look on the path to happen
[14:09] <seb128> we should probably have included that as a feature in the planning
[14:09] <Laney> you think that's a lot of work?
[14:09] <seb128> we are already behind on features we signed for and that's not account work for the desktop feature, or GNOME updates, or tracker
[14:10] <seb128> not especially, but it needs someone to step up to push that forward
[14:10] <Trevinho> Ah.. .one thing we said at sun sprint... To ask upstream to take maintenance of the gnome-3-28 branches when they don't care anymore... So we can do SRUs and keep them updated too
[14:11] <Trevinho> as they won't care anymore at some point, while we'll still do
[14:11] <seb128> like the tracker MIR is blocked on someone to report about the crash reports situation
[14:11] <seb128> Trevinho, that sounds like a good topic for GUADEC
[14:11] <Trevinho> yep
[14:12] <Trevinho> not sure how to get this exposed to all the upstreams we care though xD
[14:12] <seb128> well, we can at least speak to a key ones
[14:12] <seb128> I don't expect us to do much on most components
[14:12] <Trevinho> Yeah, for sure nautilus, mutter+shell, gnome-software
[14:12] <seb128> gnome-shell stack and gnome-control-center/nautilus mostly
[14:12] <seb128> + gnome-software yes
[14:12] <Trevinho> ah and g-c-c yep
[14:14] <willcooke> anything more that needs the meeting for?
[14:14] <willcooke> erm
[14:14] <willcooke> English fail
[14:14] <willcooke> Anything more to talk about in the meeting?
[14:14] <seb128> that should be enough for this week imho
[14:14] <willcooke> yeah same
[14:14] <willcooke> carry on after if needed
[14:14] <seb128> +1
[14:14] <willcooke> #endmeeting
[14:14] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jul  3 14:14:54 2018 UTC.
[14:14] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2018/ubuntu-desktop.2018-07-03-13.30.moin.txt
[14:14] <willcooke> thanks all
[14:15] <seb128> thanks!
[14:20] <seb128> Laney, willcooke, jibel, I commented on bug #1778817, the gnome-session-inhibit command works on xenial, to me it looks like the issue is on the foundations/u-r-u side
[14:21] <seb128> I don't know how that one works, could be another ubiquity like "wrong env" issue
[14:21] <seb128> like not managging to talk to the correct session because the uid, dbus env or something is not right
[14:21] <Laney> thx
[14:21] <Laney> I don't think there's a compiz task there anyway is there?
[14:21] <Laney> unless we are really going to fix that thing Steve pointed out
[14:21] <Laney> seems unlikely to me
[14:23] <seb128> right
[14:23] <seb128> I was looking at it from the perspective of "is gnome-session-inhibit not working"
[14:23] <seb128> in which case it would be our issue
[14:23] <Laney> k
[15:13] <abeato> cyphermox, hey, is https://salsa.debian.org/cyphermox-guest/modemmanager.git the official ubuntu repo for MM?
[15:43] <cyphermox> abeato: I don't know, I haven't touched ModemManager or NetworkManager in quite a while
[15:43] <cyphermox> I suggest you ask jbicha if there's code anywhere else, but that repo is for debian
[15:51] <jbicha> I don't have any other code for MM
[15:52] <abeato> cyphermox, jbicha understood, thanks. what I wnated to know is if there was an equivalent of git+ssh://git.launchpad.net/network-manager for MM, and it looks like no
[15:54] <Laney> abeato: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager looks good
[15:54] <Laney> ermmm
[15:54] <Laney> https://git.launchpad.net/network-manager/log/?h=cosmic
[15:54] <Laney> no tag, but nearly there :-)
[15:55] <abeato> Laney, thanks, was thinking about MM here, nothing in https://code.launchpad.net/modemmanager/+git
[15:56] <Laney> ah, sorry, my brain didn't read that right!
[15:56] <abeato> :)
[15:57] <Laney> I would look at repos in the form of https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/modemmanager/+git
[15:58] <Laney> looks like git-ubuntu ones
[15:58] <Laney> you could try if you wanted some fun
[15:58] <abeato> ah, yeah, that url contains some repos
[16:01] <abeato> (well, branches)
[16:02] <Laney> I don't think git-ubuntu's branches share objects with upstream git repos though; more of a reconstruction of what's been in Ubuntu (AIUI)
[16:02] <Laney> but depending on what you want, might be OK
[16:04] <abeato> I think they are useful as a base for a snap
[17:54] <tsimonq2> Is the server-side code for ubuntu-report anywhere?
[17:55] <tsimonq2> Lubuntu's going to use Calamares with 18.10 and we'll have some different install options to go along with that. Depending how flexible things are, we'll either need to special-case upstream or fork.
[17:55] <tsimonq2> Kubuntu could use Calamares soon as well.
[18:51] <willcooke> tsimonq2, not that I know of, but I don't think it's a secret.  However, why not all use the same backend?
[18:53] <willcooke> i.e. why do you feel that lubuntu needs to use it's own database?
[18:53] <willcooke> Is your thinking that the current backend might not be able to accept the data you want to throw at it?
[18:53] <tsimonq2> willcooke: Correct.
[18:54] <willcooke> got ya
[18:54] <willcooke> I know it's running postgres with the JSON "thingy" so that it, as I understand it, just stores the JSON blob as is
[18:54] <willcooke> and then you can use the JSON query interface to pull data out again
[18:55] <willcooke> jibel knows the most about this right now
[18:55] <willcooke> but he's EOD
[18:55] <tsimonq2> Ah, OK.
[18:55] <tsimonq2> Do you know his UTC offhand?
[18:55] <willcooke> tsimonq2, would you drop me an email and we can follow up there?
[18:55] <tsimonq2> s/offhand/offset/
[18:55] <willcooke> tsimonq2, -1
[18:55] <tsimonq2> willcooke: Sure.
[18:56] <willcooke> +1
[18:56] <willcooke> oh, except its summer time, so probably +2
[18:57] <willcooke> tsimonq2, I'd love to be able to all contribute to the same database, so very keen for us to try and accommodate you there first if we can
[18:57] <willcooke> plus one less database to admin :)
[18:57] <tsimonq2> willcooke: Right, and I wanted to make sure things were flexible here. :)
[18:58] <tsimonq2> We do share some common installer options, but Calamares adds some.
[18:58] <willcooke> if you have some specific metrics that you'd like to get at, we can look at extending ubuntu-report too, add a special run mode or whatever
[19:00] <tsimonq2> Yeah, some specific metrics would be good. I'll be happy to contribute code upstream though.
[19:00] <willcooke> woot
[19:01] <tsimonq2> willcooke: Hm, you don't seem to have a public LP email. What can I use?
[19:01] <willcooke> so yeah, if you dont mind, drop me an email and I'll get the right people on the thread
[19:01] <willcooke> or
[19:01] <willcooke> actually
[19:01] <willcooke> Community Hub might be better
[19:01] <tsimonq2> Sure.
[19:02] <tsimonq2> One thing though; I'm not exactly sure *what* we'd like to extend it to yet (there's some details I still need to work out) but I know that things will need to be extended in the future.
[19:02] <tsimonq2> So would you like to have a discussion about extending things now, or wait until I'm absolutely sure I know what I'm looking at?
[19:06] <willcooke> tsimonq2, I dont think there's any harm in us having a theoretical "How can we add more metrics / flexibility" to ubuntu-report and the backend / frontend reporting interface
[19:06] <willcooke> conversation
[19:06] <willcooke> now
[19:06] <willcooke> then we can solve that, and get in to the specifics later
[19:06] <willcooke> if that works for you
[19:07] <willcooke> In other news, all the players in the world cup should be utterly ashamed of themselves for cheating all the time.
[19:07]  * willcooke is getting angry watching this match
[19:07] <tsimonq2> willcooke: Sure.
[19:07] <tsimonq2> hehe
[19:16] <tsimonq2> willcooke: https://community.ubuntu.com/t/extending-ubuntu-report/6851
[19:16] <willcooke> penalty!
[19:16] <popey> :)
[19:16] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[19:16] <willcooke> thanks tsimonq2, will ask jibel and didrocks to reply tomorrow
[19:16] <tsimonq2> Thanks willcooke.
[19:19] <willcooke> get in!
[20:04] <willcooke> night


[11:12] <ailo> abogani: -lowlatency is not performing as good as before. Do you know why?
[11:13] <ailo> Performance while watching flash videos seems to have improved, but I can't get as low latency as before.
[11:13] <persia> ailo: As you appear to have found issues with the change to 2.6.38 for both -generic and -lowlatency, I wonder if it's something related to the version change, rather than something about specific binaries.
[11:14] <ailo> persia: I should do some more testing. I should compare some different kernels to see if it is only kernel related too.
[11:15] <ailo> persia: Do you think it's possible to tune priority outside of the kernel?
[11:16] <persia> Yes, it could be something else, but the key is that you need to consider the kernel version as much as the config.
[11:16] <persia> I don't understand the question about priority
[11:17] <ailo> If I wasn't dreaming, I saw a huge difference with the same -generic kernel (2.6.38-1) after a few days when I tested again
[11:17] <persia> That points at something else then.
[11:17] <ailo> persia: Maybe nouveau has higher priority then before?
[11:18] <persia> Huh?
[11:18] <ailo> just guessing. I'm thinking maybe it's unity-related somehow.
[11:19] <ailo> I don't know anything about what could adjust the balance in setting priorities
[11:19] <persia> What do you mean "setting priorities"?  Also, what does this have to do with nouveau or unity?
[11:20] <ailo> persia: I'm just thinking some work has been done on Unity, which causes audio devices to get less priority.
[11:20] <ailo> As I said, I have no idea what would do that, or how.
[11:20] <persia> What do you mean by "priority"?
[11:21] <ailo> What should I call it, when jack is less reliable than before? I guess it could be anything distracting it.
[11:24] <persia> I don't understand at all.
[11:24] <persia> Please describe the issue you are seeing, specifically, and without guessing as to source.
[11:24] <ailo> persia: I get occasional xruns using 64 frames/period. Just a couple of weeks ago, I got zero.
[11:25] <ailo> Now, I can probably use 128 frames/period with getting 0 xruns
[11:27] <ailo> The most recent change has been with graphics. Flash has improved, but it doesn't seem to have affected audio performance
[11:27] <persia> Ah, OK.
[11:28] <persia> You'd want to check recent upgrades, but I'd suspect JACK, the kernel, or the core libraries before anything else.
[11:28] <persia> edge applications are unlikely to affect anything.
[11:29] <persia> Except in the case where some application has periodic or similar resource use that interrupts current operations.  You might check the usage of the various indicators and applets: I know network-manager was unpredictable: it may be that more things are becoming so (in which case, these may be better removed)
[11:31] <ailo> persia: The -generic was performing as well as -lowlatency for a while (2.6.38-1), but stopped doing that. Now, it's not working that great at all.
[11:54] <ailo> Seems like qjackctl is freezing up Youtube, even when jackd is not running.
[11:57] <persia> That's highly unlikely, unless you have hardware memory issues.
[11:58] <ailo> It's only flash freezing. Nothing else
[11:59] <ailo> I mean, changing to another flash video makes the browser freeze, sorry
[11:59] <ailo> Trying to see what log to look into
[12:01] <ailo> As soon as I quit qjackctl the browser starts working again, so I'm assuming this has something to do with PA
[12:03] <persia> Ah, yes.  It may.  I forgot about the qjackctl/PA thing.
[12:06] <ailo> persia: right, of course. qjackctl suspends PA entirely, while jackd only grabs the device that is to be used, if not available
[12:06] <persia> Right.  That needs cleaning up.
[12:46] <abogani> weird
[12:46] <ailo_at> I added a new set of test results in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RealTime
[12:48] <ailo_at> 2.6.38-1 lowlatency seems to perform as well as before, while the same version of  -generic has changed
[12:59] <scott-work> TheMuso: did you push the patch for the gnome-classic xsession bug?  i got a bug email and just wanted to make sure what was going on :)
[13:00] <abogani> ailo_at: Amd64 or i386? Do you have -1-lowlatency and -3-lowlatency installed side by side on the same machine?
[13:02] <ailo_at> abogani: I must admit I have yet not tested on amd64. I will install it today.
[13:03] <abogani> ailo_at: It isn't necessary.
[13:03] <ailo_at> These tests were all done on the same machine
[13:04] <abogani> No packages update in between, right?
[13:04] <ailo_at> Not between the tests made on the same day
[14:21] <scott-work> abogani:  how do i get *your* kernel from git?
[14:21] <scott-work> abogani: i'm not really familiar with git but i understand it's a cvs much like other and i can find the commands easy enough
[14:21] <scott-work> abogani: but from which repo do i need to get your kernel and how do i make sure it is yours
[14:22] <ailo_at> I did "git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/abogani/ubuntu-natty-lowlatency.git aboganis-lowlatency"
[14:25] <ailo_at> scott-work: If you just want to get the source, that command should do.
[14:47] <scott-work> ailo_at: thanks!
[14:48] <scott-work> i wasn't sure which repository or how to get his directly but this should do it
[14:48] <scott-work> abogani: this is the kernel you wanted me to get isn't it?
[14:49] <abogani> scott-work: Yeah.
[14:51] <scott-work> abogani: i will download it tonight then :)
[14:52] <scott-work> abogani: do you want to mention something now for me to look at in particular tonight?  or wait until tomorrow morning?
[14:53] <abogani> scott-work: Clone also meta git tree.
[14:53] <scott-work> by the way, "tonight" for me is about +10 hours hence and "tomorrow morning" is about +24 hours
[14:53] <abogani> scott-work: Ok
[20:11] <ailo_at> scott-work: Is the video task-sel still supposed to fail?
[20:49] <scott-work> ailo_at: no, no...it was fixed when we dropped qdvdauthor from the seeds
[20:49] <ailo_at> scott-work: My install failed today
[20:49] <scott-work> ailo_at: i say "fixed", but maybe there is another problem happening (or continuing to happen)
[20:52] <ailo_at> Also, I have corrupted graphics, so I'm unable to use the system at all :(
[21:09] <scott-work> ailo_at: are you installing this onto a vanilla ubuntu install and then "upgrading" to ubuntu studio?
[21:10] <scott-work> or a full install from dvd?
[21:10] <ailo_at> scott-work: Full install from DVD, except for the video task-sel
[22:11] <TheMuso> ScottL: Yes that was me.
[22:11] <TheMuso> I've also updated to the latest Debian revisions of jack and jack2, as well as requested a sync for latest libffado from Debian.
[22:36] <ScottL> TheMuso, i didn't think it would be anyone else but i wanted to make sure nothing funny was going on
[22:36] <TheMuso> heh ok.
[22:36] <ScottL> TheMuso, plus i wanted to say, "thank you" :)
[22:36] <TheMuso> np
[22:46] <ScottL> so ailo_at , i might try to install the metapackage on my laptop just to see what happens
[22:47] <ailo_at> ScottL: I should retry my installation. It was amd64. Video didn't install as I said and for some reason graphics were corrupted. Grub menu had tiny, tiny fonts.
[22:48] <ScottL> ailo_at, i don't know really
[22:48] <ScottL> ailo_at, i remember that when i was testing the latest alpha image i had a failed installation on that computer
[22:49] <ScottL> which as also suffering trouble with kernel panic
[22:49] <ScottL> i thought it was my computer to be honest at the time and didn't pursue it
[22:49] <ailo_at> Me too (thinking it was my computer)
[22:49] <ScottL> lol
[22:51] <ScottL> i hope my computer doesn't explode when i try to install the video-meta :P
[22:51] <ailo_at> I would blame my corrupted graphics on the video driver. Maybe it was guessing my monitor settings wrong?
[22:53] <ailo_at> ScottL: So only two daily builds are saved?
[22:55] <ScottL> that is all that i am aware of
[22:55] <ailo_at> ScottL: Perhaps better to install from the alpha image, then. That should work, I guess.
[22:55] <ailo_at> I'm giving it another go today
[22:56] <ScottL> ailo_at, not necessarily, (alpha image should work)
[22:56] <ScottL> when installing the video-meta i had some weirdness going on with mime-types
[22:57] <ScottL> i took a screen shot of the output but not sure who should see it :/
[22:58] <ScottL> going outside with kids/dogs


[02:35] <humphreybc> hey everyone, how hard is it to get a new channel set up for a project?
[02:39] <elky> you /join it. "/msg chanserv help register" and follow instructions. adding the ubuntuirccouncil nick and @freenode/staff/* cloak to the access list is advisable.
[02:40] <humphreybc> oh so I don't actually have to get permission to set one up or anything like that?
[02:50] <humphreybc> I ran: /msg chanserv REGISTER #ubuntu-manual but it's says I'm not logged in
[02:50] <nalioth> humphreybc: /msg nickserv help identify
[02:51] <humphreybc> "humphreybc is not a registered nickname."
[02:51] <humphreybc> I just set up my nick inside pidgin... how do I register it?
[02:52] <nalioth> freenode recommends setting up your nick in this fashion: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup (Please make sure you check your email to complete registration) humphreybc
[02:55] <humphreybc> okay sweet i've done all that and have now registered our channel, #ubuntu-manual
[02:55] <humphreybc> now I need to go about adding MootBot, the logging bot and ubuntu IRC council, freenode staff etc... how can I do that?
[02:57] <nalioth> what is #ubuntu-manual about?
[02:57] <humphreybc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual
[02:58] <humphreybc> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual
[03:02] <humphreybc> Could someone please join the channel just to check it's working properly?
[03:10] <nhandler> humphreybc: You may be interested in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/CreatingChannels
[03:10] <humphreybc> yep i've been reading that thanks
[03:10] <nhandler> :)
[17:11] <ubot4> In #ubuntu-uk, AlanBell said: ubot4: !klingon is <reply> rI'Se'vamDaq tera'ngan Hol neH jatlhlu'. DaH yItlheD!
[17:12] <jpds> ...
[17:13] <popey> indeed
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[19:53] <emma> unquery


[06:35] <dholbach> good morning
[14:13]  * Laney returns from hols
[14:13] <Laney> tumbleweed: did you check that thing out? ;-)
[14:15] <tumbleweed> Laney: no
[14:15] <Laney> fair
[14:15] <tumbleweed> I also haven't looked at the data for seeded-in-ubuntu which has been spamming me for two weeks
[14:15] <tumbleweed> apparently we changed the structure of cdimage...
[14:16]  * Laney applies the delete hammer to 95% of his new mail
[14:16]  * tumbleweed has just been pushing through to the end of a work project. it hasn't left much energy
[14:19] <Guest43393> got a general question here: if i download (or create my own) source package. What is actually the command to build it ?! :-?
[14:20] <tumbleweed> Guest43393: debuild
[14:21] <tumbleweed> (but a lot of the time you want to build in a chroot, rather than on your machine - so look at pbuilder-dist or sbuild too)
[14:21] <Guest43393> ok. thanks mate.
[19:34] <TheLordOfTime> am i still able to get a bugfix into raring for a package in universe?
[19:34] <TheLordOfTime> (the bug priority is high)
[19:38] <jtaylor> sure
[19:39] <TheLordOfTime> jtaylor, i just uploaded the debdiff, and since it's an out-of-the-box-config usability bug, i'm tryin to get this included quickly.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/+bug/1162177
[19:39] <TheLordOfTime> (there's a duplicate of that bug too, already marked as a dupe_
[19:40] <TheLordOfTime> (sponsors already subscribed, I think...)
[19:43] <TheLordOfTime> ... you know what, i'm surprised I haven't filed for PPU rights for nginx yet... it seems a decent number of the recent debdiffs to fix things've come from me (or been brought in from upstream patches)
[19:43] <TheLordOfTime> (sorry, minor offtopic, but still :P)
[20:06] <geser> TheLordOfTime: if you're responsible for preparing most of the recent nginx uploads, you could get PPU rights for nginx.
[20:07] <geser> Try talking to your sponsors if they think you're ready (and ask them to comment on your PPU application)
[20:07] <TheLordOfTime> geser, i only prep them for ubuntu, not debian, and most of it's patches, would that still qualify?  (note: i'm still only half done with my PPU application xD)
[20:08] <TheLordOfTime> geser, i've been actively considering.  Question though, can security debdiffs and patches count towards that as well, or just standard patches/debdiffs?
[20:09] <geser> TheLordOfTime: sure, if you want upload right to Ubuntu you need to have uploads in Ubuntu (either directly or sync of your sponsored changes in Debian)
[20:09] <geser> TheLordOfTime: they count too.
[20:11] <geser> You need to show that you know enough packaging to handle the package(s) you ask PPU rights for and also that you have some process knowledge (e.g. when not to upload (freezes), how the SRU process works, etc.)
[20:11] <TheLordOfTime> geser, i don't have any Debian patches for the package, but I've worked with SRU and upload freezes before.
[20:11] <TheLordOfTime> not just on nginx, so i'm relatively fluent in those.
[20:12] <TheLordOfTime> geser, and i'm smart enough to check when a freeze is in place to ask whether a bugfix can get in during said freeze(s) (case in point: the bug i referenced)
[20:12]  * TheLordOfTime yawns
[20:12] <TheLordOfTime> ... note to self: twenty hours of work in a 12 hour day... bad...
[20:12] <TheLordOfTime> geser, i assume the PPU procedure is the same as it was a few months ago when I started considering applying for PPU rights for nginx?
[20:13] <geser> you do you co-maintain the nginx package with Debian or is a complete fork? just curious
[20:13] <TheLordOfTime> PPU application procedure*
[20:13] <TheLordOfTime> geser, i don't maintain the Debian side of things, I do most of the patch work for the Ubuntu packages though
[20:13] <geser> I'm not in the DMB anymore but I doubt the procedures has changed much (if at all)
[20:14] <TheLordOfTime> my concern is that i don't maintain the Debian packages at all, apparently they dump the Ubuntu stuff (as well as bug management for the nginx package) on me.
[20:14] <geser> working with Debian isn't a strict requirement, but still nice to see
[20:16] <geser> there is no requirement to also maintain the package in Debian
[20:17] <geser> it's enough if you work on the Ubuntu package
[20:22] <_hc> I'm a Debian Developer, we recently pushed a critical fix to wheezy and unstable, and I'd like to make sure this fix gets included in raring.  The easiest way to do this would just be to update the currently included version 0.6.3-5 to the version in debian/unstable: 0.6.3-6
[20:23] <_hc> shall I file a bug report on this?  what should I include on that bug report?  I'm new to this particular process, tho I've submitted bugs to launchpad before
[20:24] <geser> _hc: yes, you can use requestsync from the ubuntu-dev-tools package for it (it's also include in Debian)
[20:26] <_hc> thanks, I'll try that, rebooting back to Ubuntu now :)
[20:26] <jtaylor> it should work from debian too
[20:27] <_hc> I'm actually in Mac OS X now… where I spent about 10% of my time.  My day-to-day is in Linux Mint, so basically ubuntu.  I think there are a number of Debian Developers who work out of Debian-derivs
[20:28] <_hc> the Apple Mail program is the last thing that keeps me rebooting, maybe Geary will change that
[20:28] <_hc> reboot brb
[20:39] <_hc> ok, I got the requestsync posted: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/olsrd/+bug/1165191  Is there something like "Release Critical" bug tag in Launchpad?  The issue that we fixed was that the program wasn't working on non-i386 platforms, so its severe on those platforms.
[22:00] <jtaylor> _hc: which versions of ubuntu does it affect?
[22:01] <jtaylor> _hc: might be worth doing a stable release update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[22:03] <_hc> jtaylor: it affects quantal and raring for sure, and probably oneiric and precise
[22:04] <_hc> raring is the easiest fix, just take 0.6.3-5 to 0.6.3-6.  what's the Ubuntu policy on bigger updates? like for quantal, would it be acceptable to do an SRU for quantal from 0.6.3-3 to 0.6.3-6?
[22:04] <_hc> otherwise, I'd have to prepare separate updates for precise, quantal, and raring
[22:05] <jtaylor> depends on how invasive the changes are
[22:06] <jtaylor> for quantal we only need the -6 diff it seems
[22:06] <jtaylor> if precise is affected it might be easier to go over backports
[22:07] <_hc> yeah, I think backports makes more sense there
[22:07] <_hc> jtaylor: yeah, for quantal, the 5->6 diff should work
[22:08] <jtaylor> hm good it has no reverse depends
[22:08] <jtaylor> that makes backports easy
[22:08] <_hc> yeah, its a routing daemon
[22:09] <_hc> but we're working on all sorts of fun stuff that depends on it, to make mesh networking really easy to use :)
[22:09] <jtaylor> you can request one with requestbackport if you think its worth it
[22:10] <_hc> yeah, I do actually, I haven't done backports on Ubuntu, so it would be interesting. I have for debian.
[22:10] <jtaylor> its more painful in ubuntu than debian :/
[22:10] <jtaylor> much more painful
[22:10] <jtaylor> if you have rdepends, without its fine
[22:10] <_hc> yeah, no rdepends
[22:11] <jtaylor> ubuntu policy is everything must be tested and nothing must break, not even builds
[22:11] <_hc> so to backport, should I wait until 0.6.3-6 is in raring?
[22:11] <jtaylor> yes
[22:11] <_hc> ok
[22:11] <jtaylor> I'll have a look right now
[22:12] <_hc> excellent, thanks :-D
[22:12] <jtaylor> can you provide a simple testcase that can be used to verify its fixed?
[22:13] <_hc> it would require two computers with wifi
[22:13] <_hc> basically run '/usr/sbin/olsrd-adhoc-setup wlan0'
[22:14] <_hc> actually 'sudo /usr/sbin/olsrd-adhoc-setup wlan0'
[22:14] <_hc> then 'sudo /usr/sbin/olsrd -i wlan0 -d 1'
[22:15] <_hc> should I add this to a bug report?
[22:15] <_hc> its non-trivial, unfortnately, but no too hard
[22:16] <_hc> the debian package has been well tested, and we've been testing it on our PPA, so I would be shocked if it didn't work once it becomes an official Ubuntu update
[22:16] <_hc> here's the PPA https://launchpad.net/~guardianproject/+archive/commotion/+packages
[22:18] <jtaylor> weird issue that was fixed
[22:18] <jtaylor> doesn't the compiler warn about this?
[22:18] <jtaylor> something like taking adress of temporary
[22:19] <_hc> I guess not, it seems like it should have
[22:19] <_hc> most of the upstream devs run -Werror...
[22:20] <jtaylor> which won't help if Wall is not on :/
[22:22] <jtaylor> oh it is just no verbose log
[22:22] <jtaylor> it would be good if the package builds with make VERBOSE=1
[22:23] <jtaylor> verbose logs are very helpful when you want to check some issues
[22:24] <_hc> it should be now, in the latest version 0.6.3-6
[22:25] <jtaylor> oh good, I just looked at the ubuntu build log which is still -5 :)
[22:27] <jtaylor> _hc: synced, could you verify the fix on quantal? then I#ll do an SRU
[22:29] <jtaylor> fixing it in precise via an SRU would also be pretty easy, but maybe also not necessary as it has an older compiler
[22:56] <_hc> jtaylor: sure, I can verify the fix for quantal, do you mean test the package?
[22:57] <jtaylor> check if its affected and the patch fixes it
[22:57] <_hc> yes, its affected, and yes, the patch fixes it
[22:58] <_hc> the bug was introduced upstream before 0.6.2 and was fixed in 0.6.4, and that fix is the patch in 0.6.3-6
[22:58] <jtaylor> yes but if its really broken depends on the compiler
[22:59] <_hc> it was broken on quantal in my 0.6.3-5 uploads to the PPA and then fixed with the 0.6.3-6 uploads to that PPA
[22:59] <jtaylor> and in precise?
[23:00] <_hc> I haven't specifically tested there
[23:00] <_hc> let me double check that, since I'm on precise
[23:01] <_hc> I do know that 0.6.3-6 works well on precise, since I use the PPA
[23:01] <jtaylor> what happens after sudo /usr/sbin/olsrd -i wlan0 -d 1 if its broken?
[23:01] <_hc> I'll have to test whether the precise version is affected.  But I think a backport would be worthwhile anyway, since there have been big improvements in the packaging
[23:02] <_hc> the olsrd on each computer should start talking to each other, and setting up routes on each computer
[23:05] <_hc> if the olsrd is affected by the bug, that never happens
[23:06] <jtaylor> I think the patch is simple enough to be SRU'd to precise in addition to a backport