[03:31] <sgclark> yofel: clivejo: finally got all the epochs fixed and uploaded to archive. In theory all should be well when you wake up. I am running application 15.12.2 script now, will likely upload to staging in the morning though as it is late.
[03:33] <bshah> btw, if one wants 5.5.x in wily kubuntu what ppa to use?
[03:33] <bshah> backports?
[03:34] <sgclark> bshah: I am sorry. we are not close to backports. Desperately trying to get LTS done. only a few of us. We are trying our best.
[03:35] <bshah> ah okay.. no problem.
[03:36] <sgclark> Once we catch up I think things will be better. In theory anyway.
[03:36] <bshah> okay..
[03:39] <sgclark> anyway, done my 15 hours today! off to relax a few before bed.. night all
[03:40] <bshah> gnight sgclark
[10:36] <bshah> yofel: ping, around?
[10:36] <bshah> yofel: unless I am missing something obvious in 1cd297859790bc5298d4a6aa6a plasma-workspace you started to depend on kwin-dev 5.5.5 but there is no version bump in kwin?
[10:38] <yofel> bshah: b321425a94c3fef5b8a28ba6eba333e31132a665 in kwin?
[10:40] <bshah> yofel: seems some merge madness removed it..
[10:40] <bshah> :(
[10:40] <yofel> CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in debian/control
[10:41] <yofel> it didn't remove it, it didn't merge it in the first place
[10:41] <bshah> ohmm
[10:43] <yofel> bshah: can you please fix it? I don't really have time for that right now
[10:43] <bshah> okay, sure
[10:43] <bshah> need to merge kubuntu_stable right?
[10:44] <bshah> yofel: or kubuntu_xenial_archive -> kubuntu_stable -> and then _unstable?
[10:44] <yofel> latter I believe
[10:44] <bshah> okay
[11:07] <bshah> yofel: I did push changes.. please make sure things are good enough
[11:07] <bshah> (later when you get time)
[11:13] <clivejo> sgclark: I bumped build status to 15.12.2, so we should see a status page very shortly
[11:17] <clivejo> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_15.12.2_xenial.html
[11:18] <soee> clivejo: <3
[11:18] <soee> hiho
[11:21] <soee> clivejo: wow, almost all green this time :)
[11:22] <clivejo> soee: thats why we need to take our time and fix issues as we go :P
[11:22] <clivejo> it saves time in the long run!
[11:23] <soee> clivejo: true, but still for me on linux it shoudl be much easier than it is :(
[11:27] <clivejo> still a few missing  cantor, kdepim, kdepimlibs, konsole, kopete, marble, okteta, okular, rocs
[11:27] <clivejo> !info libkf5runner-dev xenial
[11:28] <clivejo> wonder why 5.18 hasnt made it into archive yet
[11:29] <soee> it is in WIly :)
[11:30] <clivejo> !info libkf5runner-dev wily
[11:30] <soee> or maybe it is from backports
[11:30] <soee> not archive itself
[11:31] <soee> ah yes 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/ wily/main amd64 Packages
[11:43] <yofel> krunner should be built ~soon
[11:43] <yofel> someone cleared the binary NEW queue a few hours ago
[12:06] <blaze> uh huh https://paste.kde.org/purqitwnj/7aa2au
[12:07] <blaze> should i rebuild something? lol
[12:10] <blaze> another issue: akonadi is not depending on mysql-server-core anymore
[12:10] <blaze> clivejo: yofel: ^
[12:11] <yofel> yes you should rebuild $something
[12:11] <yofel> the latter... should be a dep on virtual-mysql-server-core or so?
[12:12] <yofel> wth
[12:12] <yofel> WTH
[12:13] <blaze> i mean mysql-server-core was deinstalled by autoremove
[12:13] <yofel> wtf?
[12:13] <yofel> the akonadi control file looks very wrong
[12:13] <blaze> and therefore akonadi won't start
[12:14] <yofel> okay... I messed up it seems?
[12:17] <blaze> but still it is not operational even with mysql-server-core being installed
[12:17] <blaze> because of abi stuff
[12:17] <yofel> that'll be the symbol issues, scarlett uploaded fixes for the build ordering, but the built packages are busted
[12:17] <clivejo> blaze: what version?
[12:18] <blaze> xenial upstream
[12:18] <yofel> and in general, please forward ABI issues to the kdepim team, kthxbai
[12:18] <blaze> okay
[12:18] <yofel> blaze: note, Dan said in a blogpost that they don't care about the ABI right now
[12:20] <blaze> it is questional if they care about anything :)
[12:22] <clivejo> is this the 16.04 version?
[12:24] <yofel> probably not
[12:24] <yofel> clivejo: yes
[12:24] <yofel> blaze: fix uploaded
[12:25] <yofel> sgclark: I didn't see 15.12.2 in git for akonadi, so if you failed to push that, you'll need to merge first before pushing
[12:26] <clivejo> strange - https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications/+build/9326630
[12:27] <clivejo> oh she didnt get round to pushing
[12:51] <blaze> yofel: than you
[12:51] <blaze> thank*
[13:01] <bshah> yofel: clivejo: is it fine if I create kubuntu_unstable branch in plasma-integration ?
[13:01] <yofel> if that's under frameworks/ plasma/ or applications/ - yes
[13:02] <bshah> plasma/
[13:02] <bshah> thx
[13:35] <BluesKaj> ohwdy folks
[13:35] <BluesKaj> howdy, even :-)
[13:43] <yofel> hey
[13:50] <soee> hiho
[14:07] <sgclark> morning
[14:08] <sgclark> I didn't get aaround to pushing what?
[14:12] <yofel> apps
[14:13] <sgclark> err script doesnt push?
[14:28] <clivejo> sgclark: https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-packaging
[14:28] <clivejo> feel free to add more detail
[14:30] <clivejo> "its magic" isnt really a great description
[14:31] <sgclark> I don't recall writing that?
[14:32] <clivejo> I think it was ovidiu-florin
[14:32] <clivejo> we are trying to write packaging guides for newbie
[14:33] <sgclark> ok, well I do not have time :( evidently I am suppose to push 200 packages. Why on earth the script does not do that aymore is beyond me
[14:33] <clivejo> there is a script that does it
[14:33] <clivejo> but you need to pause KCI
[14:33]  * BluesKaj wonders when there will be some new Splash Screen Themes available for Xenial. I'm not happy with unity style colours the default one uses
[14:33] <sgclark> perhaps you need to be writing the guide :)
[14:34] <clivejo> I was helping :/
[14:34] <clivejo> but I dont totally understand the process yet
[14:35] <sgclark> me either
[14:35] <clivejo> ahh FFS
[14:35] <sgclark> ?
[14:35] <clivejo> how do I revert a change to the pad
[14:36] <clivejo> I tried to copy the command and Ive pasted instead
[14:36] <sgclark> backspace?
[14:36] <sgclark> undo button at top
[14:36] <clivejo>     git-push-all -t  ~/workspace/plasma/
[14:36] <sgclark> thanks
[14:36] <clivejo> or the folder you used to stage
[14:37] <clivejo> might need to do that one yofel mentioned first
[14:37] <clivejo> will probably error out
[14:38] <yofel> sgclark: it doesn't do it because package generation takes over an hour, people leave while that happens, the script might mess up and CI has to be paused during all that time
[14:38] <yofel> now the script is *allowed* to mess up, and CI needs to be paused for a couple minutes
[14:39] <sgclark> fair enough. just waasn't aware of change.
[14:39] <yofel> the script even tells you to push everything at the end
[14:40] <sgclark> I missed it evidently. Though to be fair it was midnight and I was falling asleep
[14:41] <yofel> yeah, nothing that's hard to fix. And that's one more reason why you're not supposed to have to pause CI while running that script ^^
[14:41] <sgclark> yes, I see the value now. thanks
[14:42] <clivejo> sgclark: I pushed the build status to generate the page
[14:42] <sgclark> thanks
[14:42] <sgclark> still have a few manual
[14:42] <sgclark> was too late
[14:42] <clivejo> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_15.12.2_xenial.html
[14:42] <clivejo> few missing at the bottom
[14:42] <sgclark> ^^
[14:43] <sgclark> yofel: also I noticed translations never went to archive
[14:43] <sgclark> and kde-spectacle though we still have keybinding issue there
[14:44] <yofel> huh? spectacle is up
[14:44] <yofel> [19:55:02] [queuebot] New source: kde-spectacle (xenial-proposed/primary) [15.12.1-1ubuntu1]
[14:44] <sgclark> oh. did not see Newer version in misc. nevermind then
[14:45] <yofel> are you talking about misc or archive?
[14:45] <yofel> ^ was archive
[14:47] <sgclark> ok when things go to archive, our PPA generally turns grey and Newer version available link shows up. I did not see that for translations and kde-spectacle.
[14:47] <yofel> because kde-spectacle source is not published in xenial
[14:47] <sgclark> ah
[14:47] <yofel> it's stuck in source NEW
[14:48] <sgclark> pim is still waiting for akonadi-search akonadi-calendar. I uploaded new kolab, I was in wrong branch last night
[14:53] <yofel> search at least is in binary NEW
[14:55] <sgclark> well that did not work well. Just says Pause CI first! See http://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_pause_integration/  which I did
[14:55] <yofel> oh, then kubuntu-automation isn't in your PATH
[14:56] <sgclark> nope
[14:56] <yofel> I need to make that thing give a proper error message
[14:56] <yofel> if you did, just pass --force-paused
[15:02] <blaze> sigh
[15:03] <sgclark> oh lovely kdepimlibs ppc64el The bug is not reproducible, so it is likely a hardware or OS problem.
[15:03] <sgclark> oh how I love mergers. Yippie!
[15:05] <sgclark> may as well have done every package by hand... sigh
[15:10] <sitter> sgclark: those mergers are buggy
[15:10] <sgclark> oh. alot of these are qt4 apps
[15:11] <sitter> which is the bug
[15:11] <sgclark> gotcha
[15:18] <yofel> sgclark: that kolab version looks rather wrong....
[15:21] <sgclark> yofel: indeed. debian upload version? damage is done though.
[15:21] <yofel> right, and right
[15:21] <sgclark> I don't understand what is going on though. built fine in ppa and now it all sorts of mucked up.
[15:22] <yofel> me neither. And I thought we didn't use git for kolab?
[15:22] <sitter> sgclark: mergers getting nuked now
[15:22] <sgclark> sitter: thanks
[15:23] <sgclark> yofel: we do, we merged kde-kolab/experimental into kubuntu/libkolab and worked brilliantly. until now. I am looking to see wth happened.
[15:24] <yofel> oh ok. I see that the VCS fields in the control file now point to the correct location
[15:24] <yofel> when I sponsored it they pointed to pkg-kolab, so I committed nothing
[15:25] <sgclark> something went terribly wrong with a merge. I have reset hard and trying again.
[15:26] <yofel> why are we not using the package that was in the ppa? That was tested and that worked
[15:27] <sgclark> that is what I reset to
[15:27] <yofel> ah ok
[15:54] <genii> Forgot I left that machine on when I got out of here last night :)
[17:05] <blaze> change of akonadi-server deps was not necessary
[17:27] <clivejo> sgclark: have you finished the git commits?
[17:27] <sgclark> nope
[17:27] <clivejo> are you doing them manually?
[17:28] <sgclark> wrking on last of manual folder yes
[17:29] <sgclark> is there something you need?
[17:29] <clivejo> nope, wondered if you forgot to un-pause KCI
[17:30] <sgclark> ah. nope. will unpause in probably 5 mins tops
[17:30] <clivejo> no problem
[18:35] <soee> hmm
[18:36] <soee> http://wstaw.org/m/2016/03/10/snapshot68.png
[18:37] <soee> clivejo: apps safe to test ?
[18:38]  * genii-testing 's ears perk up
[18:38] <sgclark>  I working on apps
[18:38] <sgclark> fwiw
[18:39] <soee> sgclark: status page shows green and orange
[18:40] <sgclark> yup
[18:41] <soee> sgclark: so :) can i test them or you are making some changes ?
[18:41] <sgclark> yeah sorry, trying to make those orange green
[18:42] <soee> ok so ill wait, ping me when they ready to test
[18:42] <soee> ha! LibreOffice 5.1.1 Released, Brings a 14-Year-Old Feature Request in Writer
[18:43] <sgclark> will do
[18:48] <sgclark> clivejo: how is plasma coming along?
[18:58] <allee> FYI: kmail does not start in xenial: kmail: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libKF5AkonadiCore.so.5: undefined symbol: _ZTIN7Akonadi8Protocol7CommandE
[18:59] <allee> ah, kmail still 15.8 while akonadi is 15.12.1
[19:11] <sgclark> mm might not be out of proposed allee
[19:14] <sgclark> allee: yeah still stuck in proposed. ppc64el seems to want to be a pain. retrying..
[19:16] <allee> sgclark: thx
[19:35] <clivejo> plasma 5.5.5 : bluedevil is fixed upstream, the bug is now closed.  Not sure what do do with the packaging, I can either ignore it, patch it or lintian override
[19:35] <clivejo> kwin: I dont know anything about multi-archified
[19:36] <clivejo> libkscreen: confuses the hell outta me, I dont understand the whole libkf5screen-bin thing that debian have done
[19:36] <clivejo> plasma-workspace: another one I dont know what the problem is to be able to fix it
[19:37] <clivejo> The other ones Ive fixed
[19:50] <sgclark> same on kwin. yofel can you help us on multi arch for kwin.  And no I am not backporting debhelper
[20:31] <soee> one question: we are not backporting anything for Wily anymore right ?
[20:32] <clivejo> how did you come to that conclusion?!?
[20:34] <clivejo> sgclark yofel: Im getting build failures for akonadi-calendar and akonadi-search
[20:36] <sgclark> soee: someone backport 5.5.4 to Wily, so I expect it will continue to get bugfix releases. my opinion anyway. Not sure who told you no backports.
[20:36] <soee> clivejo: since 16.04 is LTS and it will be released in a month that probably it will be recommended to switch to it anyway
[20:37] <sgclark> clivejo: yep, it is waiting for kmailtransport which is built https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kmailtransport/15.12.1-1ubuntu2 I have no idea...
[20:37] <clivejo> well Wily EoL is July 2016
[20:38] <sgclark> oh haha
[20:40]  * mamarley has already been running Xenial for quite some time with no regrets.
[20:42] <soee> mamarley: +1
[21:00] <sgclark> soee: apps fine to test
[21:01] <sgclark> oh wait, pim stll building sorry
[21:01]  * genii makes more coffee and passes the mugs around
[21:01] <soee> sgclark: ok, will wait few more minutes
[21:07] <soee> sgclark: ok look ready
[21:07] <sgclark> go ahead
[21:11] <soee> sgclark: all cool :)
[21:14] <soee> genii-testing: will you test also ?
[21:16] <genii> soee: Give me a minute to switch machines :)
[21:16] <soee> :P
[21:17] <genii-testing> OK, awaiting instructions
[21:17] <soee> genii-testing: just sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-kdeapplications
[21:17] <soee> update & full-upgrade
[21:17] <genii-testing> OK
[21:18] <soee> see if all is fine, maybe reboot after that etc :-)
[21:22]  * genii-testing watches the comforting green progress indicator increment
[21:26] <genii> soee: "Can't drop priveleges" on flashplugin-installer but it completed OK anyways
[21:27] <genii-testing> soee: "insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (1) of script `kerneloops' overrides LSB defaults (0 1 6)." the only other complaint. Will reboot now
[21:28] <soee> flashplugin has nothing to do with apps
[21:28] <soee> sgclark: ^
[21:29] <sgclark> ?!
[21:29] <sgclark> lol I have no idea..
[21:29] <soee> i think this has nothing to do with apps upgrde
[21:30] <sgclark> flash-plugin is nothing we touch
[21:30] <genii> Possibly it pulled in an upgrade from some other ppa
[21:30] <sgclark> I think so. upstream ubuntu somewhere
[21:30] <soee> genii: there was plugin-installer upgrade from ubuntu archive today
[21:30] <soee> so this it not related to our tests :)
[21:31] <genii> Booted fine
[21:32] <soee> kmail etc. also works fine
[21:33] <soee> sgclark: so i think apps 15.12.2 are fine :)
[21:33] <genii-testing> Kmail opens fine here.
[21:34] <soee> im not sure .. do we need more tests before some nice soul uploads it to archive ?
[21:34] <genii> What was the other problemmatic stuff, KOrganizer or so?
[21:36] <sgclark> all pim
[21:36] <sgclark> yofel: what is the policy on bugfix releases, do we need MOTU for those too?
[21:37] <genii-testing> Weird. Software Updates "New software is available for your computer" but it's blank
[21:37] <sgclark> well right no akonadi-calendar is stuck in archive looking for a dependency that is built and I have no idea why it cannot install it.
[21:38]  * genii-testing hits "Install Updates" anyhow
[21:38] <soee> genii-testing: this i known for a logn time
[21:38] <genii-testing> libkf5kipi stuff, apparently
[21:38] <soee> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=358018
[21:41] <genii-testing> soee: Telling me libkf5kipi-data and libkf5kipi30.0.0 are held bck
[21:46] <genii-testing> Doing a dist-upgrade
[21:46] <soee> full-upgrade :)
[21:46] <sgclark> genii-testing: can you manually apt-get install libkf5kipi-data and pastebin results?
[21:46] <sgclark> or am I too late
[21:46] <genii-testing> Ok
[21:46] <genii-testing> Nah, I hit ctrl-c :)
[21:46] <soee> genii-testing: apt-get install libkf5kipi-data -o  Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true
[21:46] <sgclark> great ty
[21:47] <sgclark> yeah that ^^
[21:48] <clivejo> sgclark: can kf5 and libkipi co-exist?
[21:48] <genii-testing> http://paste.ubuntu.com/15343963/
[21:49] <sgclark> clivejo: you mean the qt4 version and kf5 version? pretty sure  yofel said no on that already
[21:50] <sgclark> yeah genii-testing you had the qt4 version which is incompatible with kf5 version ( from ksnapshot )
[21:50] <sgclark> kde-spectacle is to replace ksnapshot
[21:50] <sgclark> so expected behavior
[21:51] <genii-testing> OK
[21:52] <soee> sgclark: any idea what is wrong here http://imgur.com/vauVVN8 ?
[21:52] <soee> it is from user on #kubuntu
[21:53] <sgclark> that is all ubuntu upstream packages. But they may want to try sudo apt-get -f install
[21:53] <genii-testing> A list of what's currently in my /etc/apt/sources.list.d/  http://paste.ubuntu.com/15343981/
[22:01] <sgclark> yofel: archive still stuck on akonadi-calendar libkf5mailtransport-dev (>= 15.12.1~) but it is not going to be installed, this however has successfully built. I am out of ideas on what could possibly be going wrong.
[22:01] <sgclark> I need a break. Be back a bit later.
[22:01] <genii> Need to go do some after-work things but will return ~30 minutes if more testing is required
[22:04] <tsdgeos> sgclark: is there any way to get the package migration sped up?
[22:04] <tsdgeos> at the moment i can't open kmail because i guess half the packages are old and the other half new
[22:04] <sgclark> tsdgeos: context?
[22:04] <tsdgeos> sgclark: new stuff entering xenial
[22:04] <sgclark> oh my last statement to yofel in irc is the hold up. I do not know how to get that unstuck
[22:05] <tsdgeos> i.e. i can't start kmail anymore
[22:05] <sgclark> he needs to help.
[22:05] <tsdgeos> tsdgeos@xps:~$ kmail
[22:05] <tsdgeos> kmail: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libKF5AkonadiCore.so.5: undefined symbol: _ZTIN7Akonadi8Protocol7CommandE
[22:05] <tsdgeos> because the akonadi libs are 15.12 but the kmail program is not
[22:05] <tsdgeos> happy birthday to me \o/
[22:05] <sgclark> yes I understand. akonadi-calendar is the culprit.
[22:06] <sgclark> yes happy birthday :)
[22:06] <clivejo> tsdgeos: cant you just install from misc
[22:07] <clivejo> thats what will be going into the archive
[22:07] <sgclark> it is looking for kmailtransport claiming that it cannot be installed, however kmailtransport built fine https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kmailtransport/15.12.1-1ubuntu2
[22:07] <sgclark> I am at a loss of what to do. So yofel needs to help and he is away, probably at work.
[22:09] <clivejo> the archive packages take priority so as the packages are published the PPA ones will be overwritten
[22:10] <clivejo> soee: how did the apps 15.12.2 upgrade go?
[22:10] <soee> clivejo: all good
[22:11] <clivejo> is kolab support working?
[22:12] <soee> i don't know im not using it  | dont know how to test
[22:12] <soee> anyway sleep time :)
[22:12] <soee> cu tomorrow morning
[22:12] <clivejo> Im so sick and tired of FireFox
[22:18] <yofel> I was just not looking at my notebook...
[22:18] <yofel> let me answer kwin later
[22:19] <yofel> sgclark: yes, we need MOTU for bugfixes *until* the package has built fine, has binaries published in xenial, our seed was updated to ship/mark those as supported, sent a mail to devel-permissions so someone from the DMB updates the packageset
[22:20] <yofel> no, lipi qt4 and qt5 are not coinstallable thanks to their -data packages. I did not look at why in detail
[22:20] <tsdgeos> yofel: so broken kmail for how long?
[22:20] <yofel> libkipi
[22:21] <tsdgeos> yofel: asking in case i need to try to find workarounds if it's going to be more htna a day
[22:24] <yofel> tsdgeos: no idea, can be days (not weeks) try installing the build from the PPA
[22:24] <yofel> someone accepted all our stuff from source NEW a couple hours ago, so we're good on that. But things still needs to build and clear binary NEW again and make it out of proposed
[22:25] <tsdgeos> this is going to sound like trolling
[22:25] <tsdgeos> but it is amazing how the distor side is so badly in this regard
[22:25] <tsdgeos> leaving people with broken packages
[22:26] <tsdgeos> interesting enough the phone side is all different and we build stuff in ppas that then are directly all copied at once to the distro
[22:26] <tsdgeos> so you never get half packages updated and not the other hal
[22:26] <tsdgeos> seems like the distro part is kind of a second citizen :/
[22:27] <tsdgeos> yofel: what's exactly the ppa i could try?
[22:28] <yofel> the package relationships aren't tight enough here, and this is a case of failed library management.
[22:28] <yofel> akonadi broke ABI, but they didn't decide to actually increase the ABI version. We *could* have "fixed" that on a distro level, but debian decided to not do that, so we would've had different packages for pim if we had done that.
[22:28] <yofel> so instead, devel release users suffer for now
[22:29] <clivejo> tsdgeos: kmail works fine using ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-misc
[22:29] <yofel> that ^
[22:29] <yofel> and someone cleared binary NEW again just now \o/
[22:29] <yofel> progress
[22:29] <clivejo> if you are feeling brave you could help test apps 15.12.2
[22:30] <clivejo> they are here - ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging-kdeapplications
[22:31] <sgclark> yofel: did have a chance to look at akonadi-calendar not considering the kmailtransport in proposed? That is our big hold up.
[22:31] <yofel> not YET
[22:31] <sgclark> I tried to update seed. get errors. will post them on devel later.
[22:32] <sgclark> yep no worries. I am actually not here.
[22:32]  * sgclark goes back to not being here
[22:33] <yofel> you learnt the art of transparent experience \o/
[22:33] <yofel> s/experience/existence/
[22:34] <clivejo> Astral projection?
[22:36] <yofel> *sigh*
[22:36] <yofel> apt, why do you print useless error messages
[22:39] <yofel>  libkf5mailtransport-dev : Depends: libkf5mime-dev (>= 15.12.1-1ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed.
[22:41] <yofel> sgclark: there is no ubuntu2 version of kmime, only ubuntu1, that's why it's stuck
[22:42] <sgclark> uh why is it looking for two.
[22:43] <sgclark> I am confused Setting up libkf5mime-dev (15.12.1-0ubuntu1)
[22:43] <yofel> you only fixed that today - in git for 15.12.2
[22:44] <yofel> the archive package is still broken
[22:44] <sgclark> what?!! I am looking at archive proposed
[22:44] <sgclark> I uploaded this morning
[22:44] <sgclark> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/247363282/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.kmailtransport_15.12.1-1ubuntu2_BUILDING.txt.gz
[22:44] <yofel> oh right
[22:45] <yofel> wth
[22:45] <sgclark> exactly
[22:45] <yofel> let me do this again
[22:47] <yofel> uh, now I don't get an error at all, maybe my chroot was outdated or whatever o.O
[22:47] <yofel> tons of stuff just got released from binary NEW, so let me just retry calendar
[22:52]  * sgclark cries
[22:52] <yofel> meh
[22:55] <yofel> sgclark: your ubuntu2 upload of kmailtransport does not contain the libkf5mime-dev version fix, you only did that in 25019e46
[22:56]  * clivejo hugs sgclark
[22:56] <yofel> let me fix that
[22:57] <sgclark> how did it build.. anyway. that is what happens on few hours of sleep...
[22:57] <yofel> kmailtransport will build fine with that. But nothing that uses it
[22:58] <yofel> i.e. calendar
[22:58] <sgclark> ok, well I made the fix with the intention of uploading to archive. Not sure where I uploaded it to. Sorry.
[22:59] <yofel> well, np. This was a bit confusing
[22:59] <sgclark> yes, yes it was.
[23:01] <clivejo> how do I trigger spectacle with printscreen key?
[23:01] <yofel> ubuntu3 up
[23:02] <sgclark> yeah keybindings, I don't know.
[23:03] <yofel> I found the mail about that, but that says that spectacle ships it's own khotkeys file and should work OOTB
[23:04] <yofel> and yes, /usr/share/khotkeys/spectacle.khotkeys is a thing
[23:04] <yofel> no idea why it doesn't work
[23:06] <yofel> ok, somehow managed to munge the upload and tag into kmailtransport git
[23:11] <clivejo> anyone else seeing a purple background on the Telegram Desktop client icon in systray? http://s16.postimg.org/wsn6mrbg5/Spectacle_VE3721.png
[23:12] <yofel> not me
[23:13] <genii-testing> greyed out here
[23:14] <genii-testing> Why is Instant Messaging Settings twice on the context menu of it?
[23:14] <clivejo> yofel: upload failure notices for libkf5kmahjongg & ktp-kded-integration-module,
[23:16] <yofel> clivejo: what exactly does it say?
[23:17] <yofel> aaaaaaaaaaaaaargh
[23:17] <yofel> INFO 	kdegames-mahjongg-data-kf5_15.12.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb: Version older than that in the archive. 15.12.1-0ubuntu1 <= 4:15.08.2-0ubuntu2
[23:17] <clivejo>  * State: Failed to upload
[23:17] <clivejo>  * Duration: 16 minutes
[23:17] <clivejo>  * Build Log: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktp-kded-integration-module/15.12.1-2ubuntu1/+build/9330417/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-armhf.ktp-kded-integration-module_15.12.1-2ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[23:17] <yofel> I quit
[23:19] <genii-testing> Instant Messaging refuses to enter online mode
[23:22] <yofel> how did that even work in the PPA
[23:23] <sgclark> genii-testing: ppa testing?
[23:24] <sgclark> yofel: good question
[23:24] <clivejo> mine logs on
[23:24] <clivejo> :/
[23:24] <yofel> maybe the PPA publisher doesn't validate against the archive. I never check that..
[23:24] <yofel> I'm fixing kmahjongg right now
[23:25] <genii-testing> sgclark: Not sure, i seem to have a few.
[23:25] <sgclark> sorry I meant is this happening with the apps you were/are testing
[23:26] <sgclark> yofel: ok
[23:26] <genii-testing> sgclark: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15343981/ are all the PPAs I currently have and am using.
[23:26] <genii-testing> Yes
[23:26] <sgclark> ok. I will try to reproduce. Just to be clear, you have contacts setup?
[23:27] <genii-testing> I set up my Google account on it, seemed to take that and auth, but won't enter Online mode
[23:28] <genii-testing> Have not added any contacts
[23:32] <genii-testing> When trying to add a contact, my G+ account is not listed, but I see it there when I go to Settings
[23:35] <yofel> The signer of this package is lacking the upload rights for the source package, component or package set in question.
[23:36] <yofel> well, no libkmahjongg fix then
[23:37] <genii> Hmm. I have my gmail open on this machine, let me log out then see if the other will login. Got an email that I'm logged in from the other box though already
[23:38] <yofel> shadeslayer: please upload libkmahjongg ubuntu/4%15.12.1-0ubuntu2 tag whenever you have time
[23:39] <genii-testing> Got a cras
[23:39] <genii-testing> *crash
[23:39] <genii-testing> Knotes
[23:42] <genii> "The problem cannot be reported: The problem happened with the program /usr/bin/akonadi_notes_agent which changed since the crash occurred"
[23:44] <yofel> shadeslayer: same for ktp-kded-integration-module
[23:45] <yofel> there it's ubuntu/4%15.12.1-2ubuntu2
[23:46] <genii> Got a whole cascading screen of Apport boxes now...
[23:47] <yofel>   * Revert back to happier times.
[23:47] <yofel> hahaha
[23:47] <genii-testing> Rebooting
[23:54] <genii-testing> My /var/log/apport http://paste.ubuntu.com/15344514/
[23:58] <genii-testing> Apparently 33 new packages to update..


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[06:44] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:16] <superfly> Evening
[07:16] <superfly> Actually, it's morning here too...
[07:27] <nsnzero> morning all
[07:27] <nsnzero> anybody having trouble with their telkom adsl lines this morning ?
[07:30] <paddatrapper> Morning superfly, inetpro, nsnzero
[07:30] <paddatrapper> nsnzero: not that I've noticed
[07:31] <superfly> Hi paddatrapper, nsnzero
[07:31] <nsnzero> well telkom is having issues this morning http://downdetector.co.za/status/telkom
[07:31] <superfly> Um, I should be sleeping, I'd better say good night.
[07:31] <chesedo> morning inetpro  superfly nsnzero  paddatrapper and others
[07:31] <nsnzero> hi paddatrapper and superfly
[07:32] <nsnzero> hi chesedo
[07:32] <paddatrapper> Morning chesedo
[07:32] <paddatrapper> Night superfly
[07:32] <chesedo> superfly: when you wake up, you might want to change your location on your stackoverflow story...
[07:33] <inetpro> good night superfly
[07:40] <nsnzero> without the internet i might as well be home sleeping
[16:31] <pavlushka> inetpro: ping
[16:59] <pavlushka> anyone has update on Kilos? please, how is he?
[18:23] <superfly> chesedo: thanks. I thought I had, but StackOverflow has 2 places which store your location *grrrrr*
[19:47] <smile> bye! :)


[07:29] <davidcalle> Morning o/
[07:29] <didrocks> hey davidcalle!
[07:58] <ohmy> hello everybody
[07:58] <ohmy> i'm quite new to xml processing and i'd like to have your opinion
[07:59] <ohmy> i have to export some data to XML and i have the corresponding xsd schema, what are the different available approachs to achieve this please ?
[09:08] <avi_> some body know way page head with no action in it does not change the  foregroundColor ? it is a bug?
[10:00] <ohmy> hello
[10:01] <ohmy> i'm new to XML transform, and looking forwar any document/samples regardind XML writing from XSD schema, any help please ?
[10:02] <ohmy> anything in regards of Generating XML Documents from XML Schemas is more than welcome
[11:34] <popey> mcphail: do you have a doc for how you built a non-minimal sdl ?
[12:15] <didrocks> dobey: hey, it doesn't seem there is any way to sort the u1db results from a query, isn't it?
[12:27] <DanChapman> didrocks: u1db won't sort them itself, but you could use a SortFilterModel for that. https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Components.SortFilterModel/
[12:30] <didrocks> DanChapman: ah, thanks for the reference! I'll use this then, loading everything in a listModel and use that filter
[12:49] <ohmy> anything in regards of Generating XML Documents from XML Schemas is more than welcome
[13:04] <dobey> didrocks: what he said. and i don't really know anything about the qml component impl of u1db :)
[13:06] <didrocks> ok ;)
[14:17] <tedg> Where is the website icon for "Get it on Ubuntu" ?
[14:18] <tedg> i.e. for a an app website like the Apple Store, etc.
[14:30] <kalikiana> tedg: this one? https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/armagetronad/
[14:31] <tedg> kalikiana, Hmm, yeah. I thought there was a phone specific one, but that works.
[15:16] <popey> JamesTait: the store is showing lots of apps in the "Updated applications" category which shouldn't be there
[15:16] <popey> JamesTait: they're published, but when you click on them it says they failed tests, but the failures were for a previous upload
[15:16] <popey> JamesTait: it's very confusing - see https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/click-apps/reviewer/
[15:25] <voldyman> how do i get a list of icons available for my application to use?
[15:26] <voldyman> like i need an icon for the export menu toolbutton
[15:36] <kalikiana> voldyman: there easiest might be if you install the toolkit gallery - or alternatively ls -R /usr/share/icons/ubuntu-mobile
[15:38] <voldyman> kalikiana: the -mobile icons work on desktop as well?
[15:38]  * voldyman needs it for a desktop application
[15:39] <kalikiana> voldyman: yep, I have them on the desktop both for development and using some apps like dekko as convergience is being enabled
[15:40] <voldyman> oh nice, thanks kalikiana
[15:40] <kalikiana> just be sure to use the ppa as versions in the archive tend to be outdated quick
[15:40] <JamesTait> popey, I'm not sure why that's happening but I'll pass it on.
[15:41] <JamesTait> In fact, matiasb might be able to shed some light.
[15:46]  * matiasb reads
[15:49] <matiasb> popey, JamesTait, since we are in the progress of supporting channels, we need to support multiple versions in parallel and then every uploaded version should go through review and be either rejected or approved (there was an email from beuno about this too)
[15:50] <matiasb> so, the entries being listed are per version now
[15:51] <matiasb> since there is only one channel now (stable), probably versions older than the current approved one could be ignored/rejected, but that's not automatic now
[15:57] <davmor2> popey: reminders is there a bug for the fact that the tag okay will not highlight unless there is a space after the word?  I think it is because the keyboard is still suggesting words at the time maybe.
[15:57] <JamesTait> matiasb, now you mention it I recall reading the mail but probably didn't fully understand the consequences. ☺
[15:58] <popey> mzanetti: ^ we know this bug don't we
[15:58] <matiasb> still a work in progress, things should be getting better soon
[15:59] <mzanetti> popey, yeah... didn't we agree you'll fix it? :D
[15:59] <mzanetti> popey, no worries, I can look at it too
[15:59] <mzanetti> not atm tho
[15:59] <popey> kk
[15:59] <popey> :)
[15:59] <popey> yes, we did :(
[16:03] <JamesTait> matiasb, yep, in the index as well. ☺
[16:05] <davmor2> popey: oh so it's your fault
[16:06] <ogra_> davmor2, that is only because popey is reluctant to the general new meme ... else he would just have answered "snappy will fix it"
[16:06] <ogra_> (and be off the hook)
[16:07] <davmor2> ogra_: yeah cause then it is all your fault
[16:07] <ogra_> ;)
[16:07] <davmor2> ogra_: that's what you were getting at right?
[16:08] <ogra_> well, i'd just forward the blame to snappy in general :)
[16:46] <davmor2> popey, mzanetti: So far that is the only issue I have hit with reminders but it is a pretty ugly issue minor as it is.
[16:46] <popey> davmor2: thanks!
[16:49] <davmor2> popey: One other minor thing, is there anyway to make the check boxes a little larger?  If you have a scrolling shopping list it is sometimes a little hard to hit the right checkbox,  but that it a minor quibble :)
[16:55] <davmor2> popey: is the keyboard issue something you guys want to fix now?  As it isn't a regression I'm happy to let it in this time with the same proviso as with clock app that it is fixed for next landing
[16:55] <popey> that would be awesome. I don't think mzanetti or I have time to do it right now.
[16:56] <davmor2> popey: let me just double check on my dogfood phone then
[16:56] <mzanetti> thanks... will make sure we have it fixed in the next landing
[16:56] <popey> the tag ui changed, so it may be regression
[16:57] <davmor2> popey, mzanetti: okay so it exists in the current version on the dogfood phone. So I'll write up a bug for it now and pass this
[16:58] <mzanetti> we already have a bug for it :/
[16:58] <mzanetti> I just missed it
[16:58] <popey> because it was assigned to me. sorry
[16:58] <popey> well, gives me a second chance to fix it ㋛
[16:59] <popey> thanks davmor2 - will upload in a bit
[17:06] <davmor2> popey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/reminders-app/+bug/1478094
[17:07] <davmor2> mzanetti: meh missed you message too busy writing the bug ;)
[17:08] <mzanetti> :)
[17:08] <mzanetti> no problem
[17:09] <davmor2> mzanetti: feel free to dupe one to the other :)
[17:10] <davmor2> mzanetti, popey: just remember to add it is a blocker for next release :)
[17:14] <popey> will do


[07:57] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:25] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:28] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[08:53] <MooDoo> how are you brobostigon ?
[08:54] <brobostigon> tired, knackered, in pain. and you?
[08:54] <MooDoo> yeah i'm tired, but slept a lot last night which is probably why :D
[08:55] <brobostigon> ah. :)
[09:00] <SuperMatt> the human body is a remarkably poorly constructed thing
[09:00] <SuperMatt> the fact that it genuninely allows you to wake up feeling more tired than you went to bed is just bat poop crazy
[09:02] <foobarry> or we are doing it wrong
[09:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:05] <SuperMatt> that's a possibility
[09:10] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 :)
[09:10] <MooDoo> the moe sleep i have the worse and grumpier i am :)
[09:11] <foobarry> thats age
[09:11] <foobarry> you are getting 1 day older :)
[09:12] <MooDoo> yeah i'm getting older :)
[09:14] <davmor2> foobarry: no it is definitely related to sleep, I'm with MooDoo on this one.  If I have 6-7 sleep I'm tired but much happier. If I get 8-9 I'm not so tired but then I was having a lie in so why did you wake me. More than 9 hours and I'm ready to scream get off my lawn to any kid that passes by and I don't even have a lawn :D
[09:16] <SuperMatt> it might have something to do with the REM sleep cycle patterns
[09:18] <SuperMatt> https://boingboing.net/2011/01/07/waking-up-without-an.html - I tried this for a period of time, and it did make me feel quite good.
[09:18] <SuperMatt> then I got a girlfriend and all hell broke loose
[09:18] <SuperMatt> I couldn't imagine doing the same with kids involved
[09:19] <foobarry> woke up every X minutes due to daughter coughing all night
[09:20] <SuperMatt> there's your problem
[09:20] <SuperMatt> procreation: bringing all of life's joys and woes in one precious, snotty bundle
[10:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy Shopping Reminder Day! 😃
[11:00] <awilkins> Does Firefox still need a special patch / plugin on Trusty to integrate with the Unity menu?
[11:23] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMxX-QOV9tI
[11:26] <davmor2> JamesTait: or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noWriJ-YGws
[11:26] <JamesTait> davmor2, thanks for the earworm.
[11:27] <davmor2> JamesTait: you're welcome
[11:42] <andylockran> morning guys
[11:43] <MooDoo> morning
[11:46] <andylockran> how goes things?
[11:49] <SuperMatt> hurm, Ubuntu works really well as a gnome-boxes guest, installing and booting so much faster than Centos, but for some reason the shared clipboard doesn't work out of the box like it does for centos. You have to install the spice-vdagent package first
[11:51] <davmor2> SuperMatt: boxes is a redhat thing they may have bits in the system that ubuntu doesn't so you may need to install something for it to work
[11:52] <SuperMatt> gotcha
[11:57] <SuperMatt> http://londonist.com/2015/11/holborn-commuters-made-to-stand-on-the-right-and-the-left?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+londonist%2FsBMe+%28Londonist%29
[11:57] <SuperMatt> http://londonist.com/2015/11/holborn-commuters-made-to-stand-on-the-right-and-the-left
[12:06] <SuperMatt> oops I put those in the wrong window
[12:06] <SuperMatt> but it looks like centos automatically installs the spice client
[12:08] <davmor2> SuperMatt: see :)
[12:11] <davmor2> SuperMatt: so out of interest if you install that does it then work in Ubuntu?
[12:11] <SuperMatt> yup
[12:11] <SuperMatt> though I had to reboot
[12:13] <davmor2> SuperMatt: kernel level change so that makes sense
[12:13] <MooDoo> damn rebooting
[12:13] <SuperMatt> I know
[12:13] <SuperMatt> I run linux, shouldn't have to reboot
[12:14] <davmor2> MooDoo: you love it you know you do, otherwise how else would you have time to talk to your family :P
[12:15] <MooDoo> davmor2: I've not touched my servers in months, so have had time to speak to them and feed them and all sorts :D
[12:16] <davmor2> MooDoo: see that's what happens when you stop using windows :D
[12:16] <MooDoo> davmor2: not stopped yet lol, still using hyper-v for my virtual machines and RHEL for my storage server :p
[12:26] <foobarry> woot let me keep the extra tshirts
[12:26] <foobarry> \o/
[12:46] <zmoylan-pi> christmas presents sorted \o/ :-D
[12:47] <zmoylan-pi> as long as the sizes of t-shirts fit your recipients of course...
[13:41] <safiyyah> Hi all, I need help setting me graphics back to nouveau , I already deleted Nvidia drivers and removed the card from the motherboard, I am not using my onboard graphics but cannot get the going well enough. I ran the commands: sudo apt-get install nouveau-firmware
[13:41] <safiyyah> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[13:42] <safiyyah> ali1234, daftykins directhex DJones foobarry Seeker`
[13:42] <Seeker`> 1don't randomly ping people
[13:42] <Seeker`> if someone knows the answer, they'll answer. Otherwise, try #ubuntu
[13:44] <safiyyah> sorry Seeker` I pinged those who I thought could help, I am sorry you found it rude.
[13:44] <SuperMatt> make sure the nouveau driver isn't blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d
[13:45] <SuperMatt> if all else fails, reinstall
[13:48] <safiyyah> SuperMatt, I checked, it isn't there
[13:48] <safiyyah> have purged and installed
[13:48] <safiyyah> going to reboot
[13:48] <safiyyah> brb
[13:52] <safiyyah> I rebooted, twice, reinstalled, twice, no joy
[13:52] <safiyyah> :(
[13:55] <safiyyah> brb, rebooting again
[13:57] <safiyyah> meh, no luck!
[13:57] <SuperMatt> what errors is it giving you?
[13:58]  * bittin_ at work atm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDbyYGrswtg
[13:59] <safiyyah> SuperMatt, no errors at all
[13:59] <safiyyah> just when I reboot the resolution is way off
[14:00] <SuperEngineer> safiyyah, this may be stating the obvious but why not put nVidia card back in, try if both noveau & nVidia drivers work
[14:00] <SuperMatt> right, so it's probably that you're using nouveu, and you can find this by running lsmod | grep nouveau
[14:00] <SuperEngineer> ...& how do know it's not working
[14:01] <SuperMatt> it's entirely possible that your onboard is pooched
[14:01] <SuperEngineer> ...& what onboard video are you attempting
[14:01] <safiyyah> it's me first time using my onboard graphics
[14:01] <safiyyah> always had an nvidia card
[14:01] <safiyyah> which died a few days ago
[14:02] <SuperEngineer> ..& SuperMatt just asked my next question :)
[14:02] <safiyyah> decided to just use the on board lot
[14:02] <SuperEngineer> which board?
[14:02] <safiyyah> asus
[14:03] <SuperEngineer> is that intel on board graphics?
[14:03] <SuperMatt> possible that the onboard doesn't even use nvidia
[14:03] <SuperMatt> team Super* is on the case
[14:03] <SuperMatt> or Super.*
[14:03] <safiyyah> i deleted nvidia, including xorg
[14:03] <safiyyah> purged it
[14:03] <safiyyah> and then installed nouveau
[14:03] <safiyyah> purged bumblebee as well just now
[14:04] <SuperMatt> Super[EM][a-z]*
[14:04] <SuperMatt> I don't know why I'm regexing this
[14:04] <SuperEngineer> :-D
[14:05] <SuperEngineer> safiyyah, do oyu know what the onboard is supposed to be [nvidia/intel]
[14:05] <safiyyah> no idea about the board, an get the manual out and look
[14:05] <safiyyah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13502420/
[14:05] <safiyyah> checking manual now
[14:06] <SuperEngineer> yup, that would be a good idea
[14:07] <SuperMatt> or you can run lspci | grep VGA
[14:08] <SuperEngineer> or you can ask yourself: "am I looking at the screen right now?" coz if so, something graphical might just possible at a long shot actual be working ;-)
[14:08] <safiyyah> Graphics: Intel Graphics Media Accelerator (Intel GMA 3100) integrated Max. resolution 2048**bpp, HorizontalL
[14:09] <SuperMatt> there's your problem
[14:09] <SuperMatt> you're trying to use nouveau with an intel card
[14:09] <SuperEngineer> hmmm.. intel [do I need to go on]
[14:09] <safiyyah> okay I don't get the issue
[14:09] <SuperEngineer> again... SuperMatt types faster than me!
[14:09] <SuperMatt> too Super for some
[14:10] <safiyyah> when I do a fresh install of an OS, it works and then I put the nvidia graphics
[14:10] <SuperEngineer> why>
[14:10] <SuperEngineer> ?
[14:10] <safiyyah> because I used to like compiz
[14:10] <safiyyah> well I am over it now
[14:10] <SuperMatt> you and everyone but the unity devs
[14:10] <SuperMatt> ZING!
[14:11] <SuperEngineer> KAPOW!
[14:12] <SuperEngineer> and SuperMatt, you try sitting at a keyboard whilst recovering from a double hernia op!
[14:12] <SuperMatt> I understand now
[14:12] <SuperEngineer> [sorry... I meant "double krytonote exposure"
[14:12] <SuperEngineer> ;-)
[14:13] <safiyyah> I don't get it?
[14:13] <SuperEngineer> *kryptonite
[14:14] <SuperMatt> safiyyah: the issue is that you're trying to use nouveau, which is an nvidia driver, but your graphics card is intel. You need to install the inter drivers
[14:14] <safiyyah> okay
[14:14] <safiyyah> what are they called?
[14:14] <SuperMatt> well this is where I can't help because I'm running Fedora
[14:15] <awilkins> The Intel drivers are just part of the kernel
[14:15] <SuperMatt> but if you can get some of desktop access, the ubuntu drivers application *should* install the correct ones
[14:15] <SuperMatt> ah, there you go
[14:15] <awilkins> You don't need to install them, you just need to not tell the OS to use the nvidia ones when it has no nvidia hardware
[14:16] <awilkins> Although isn't the Intel GMA the one built into the CPU?
[14:17] <safiyyah> awilkins, probably
[14:19]  * SuperEngineer just opened synaptic & found a load of xserver-xorg-video, might be worth a look... but check before installing any
[14:21] <SuperEngineer> & check your BIOS / UEFI settingds allow the onboard video before doing anything.. I suspect they are fully ok as all is ok before you try to use nvdia again intel
[14:23] <awilkins> The newer nvidia cards sometimes need newer drivers
[14:23] <awilkins> ie when I got my GTX 980Ti I had to install newer drivers
[14:23] <awilkins> There's a PPA for that
[14:23] <awilkins> https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[14:23] <awilkins> You should never have to manually install nvidia binary driver packages
[14:24] <SuperEngineer> awilkins, his nvidia card gone to meet its maker
[14:24] <awilkins> Doing so mucks things up
[14:24] <awilkins> Ah, well, I'd follow your advice and go to the BIOS
[14:25] <awilkins> By default, xserver-xorg-video-intel is installed out of the box
[14:25] <awilkins> So it should work fine
[14:25] <SuperEngineer> awilkins, agrred
[14:26] <awilkins> Kernel drivers are also just part of the default install
[14:26] <safiyyah> ok I understood to check the bios
[14:29] <safiyyah> did I understand correctly?
[14:29] <safiyyah> I will reboot to do so
[14:30] <SuperEngineer> if you are not still trying to use the nvidia drivers, reboot
[14:34] <safiyyah> SuperEngineer, am I to purge nouveau?
[14:35] <SuperEngineer> yes, oui, tac, si
[14:35] <SuperEngineer> definitely even
[14:36] <safiyyah> brb
[14:40] <SuperEngineer> p.s awilkins ... please send me your GTX 980 [mine is only a GTX 650].. need yours to check yours is not faulty.  I'll send it stright back, honest ;-)
[14:41] <safiyyah> no joy
[14:41] <awilkins> hahahaha :-) I've got the 560Ti it replaced still
[14:41] <SuperEngineer> safiyyah, reinstal
[14:41] <safiyyah> nouveau?
[14:41] <SuperMatt> no! do not install nouveau!
[14:41] <SuperEngineer> safiyyah, ubuntu
[14:41] <awilkins> Yeah, backup your home folder and reinstall. I'd never recommend it for Windows because it's such a PITA, but for Ubuntu it's a sound strategy.
[14:42] <safiyyah> reintall ubuntu???
[14:42] <SuperMatt> nouveau is a drive for nvidia cards only, you have intel
[14:42] <SuperMatt> yup
[14:42] <awilkins> It's not as horrible as it sounds :-)
[14:42] <awilkins> What's your network connection like?
[14:42] <safiyyah> noooooooooooo
[14:42] <SuperMatt> you shouldn't need to back up /home, because apparently if you select the install over the top option, it will keep /home
[14:43] <SuperEngineer> safiyyah, you could even tell it to keep your existing home folder
[14:43] <SuperMatt> (but backing up is always advised)
[14:43] <safiyyah> its hell getting my scanner working
[14:43] <SuperEngineer> damn!  Which was in my home folder.
[14:44] <bashrc_> cowsay "Scanners are nothing but trouble"
[14:44] <safiyyah> oh i guess i just have to bite the bullet
[14:44] <NotSoSuperMatt> sometimes the simplest solution is the one you least want to do
[14:44]  * zmoylan-pi still wakes up screaming about scanners... :-)
[14:44] <NotSoSuperMatt> but do not install nouveau when the box is back online
[14:45] <safiyyah> lol
[14:45] <awilkins> Almost worth the reduced hassle to buy a RasPi to install the scanner on :-)
[14:45] <NotSoSuperMatt> I don't mind getting scanners working, but printers belong in their own circle of hell
[14:45] <awilkins> And then NEVER TOUCH IT AGAIN
[14:45] <SuperEngineer> safiyyah, in case you have an SD card slot in your printer/scanner do ehat I do... scan to SD card & "collect" the scanned article from the SD card
[14:45] <zmoylan-pi> if it weren't for irfanview on windows to make scanners usable on windows...
[14:45] <safiyyah> the scanner, thing of beauty when its workinh
[14:46] <safiyyah> hell on earth to sort out
[14:46] <SuperEngineer> many will connect directly to your pooter so no phtysical SD card moving required
[14:46] <davmor2> is it an all in one or just a scanner, if it's an all in one setup the printer then open simple scan and it should of pulled in the scanner section
[14:47] <safiyyah> davmor2, that has never worked
[14:47] <safiyyah> am going in guys
[14:47] <davmor2> safiyyah: it should
[14:47] <safiyyah> pray for me
[14:48] <SuperEngineer> will do
[15:09] <SuperEngineer> Bad news for TUX - BBC Radio 2 Factoids: Polar bears can eat as many as 86 penguins in a single sitting.
[15:24] <zmoylan-pi> ms are thinking of changing their logo... :-)
[15:24] <diddledan_> oh?
[15:24] <diddledan_> or is that a joke referencing the bears?
[15:25] <zmoylan-pi> :-)
[15:32] <SuperMatt> SuperEngineer: that's fine, we'll just keep forking until there are enough penguins to outnumber the polar bear
[15:33] <SuperEngineer> :-D
[15:35] <MooDoo> lol
[15:36] <zmoylan-pi> and install tux on the polar bears...
[16:29] <awilkins> BBC servers are dead : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news
[16:29] <diddledan_> works here
[16:29] <awilkins> Hmm, getting a 500 here
[16:29] <diddledan_> maybe it's something with edge caching - depends on ISP
[16:30] <awilkins> Yeah, VM do edge caching, definitely
[16:30] <diddledan_> with websites on serverfarms and with edge caching it's very difficult to determine if a problem is with the site or your isp or ....
[16:30] <awilkins> Now a refresh is really thinking about it
[16:30] <diddledan_> hmm, I'm on VM too
[16:30] <awilkins> Yay, they rebooted
[16:30] <diddledan_> lol
[16:31] <diddledan_> someone used the server power for the vacuum
[16:33] <mapps> gah cant access my routers config, looks like they must have changed the default user/pass
[16:33] <mapps> ;[
[16:42] <Laney> joshua2
[16:43] <Laney> hunter2
[16:43] <Laney> damn it!!!!
[16:43]  * Laney mixed up Famous Computer Passwords
[16:47] <davmor2> Laney: get your coat
[16:52] <diddledan_> see, I always see "get your coat" suffixed with ", you've pulled!"
[16:53] <diddledan_> flirting ftw
[16:53] <diddledan_> :-p
[16:53] <diddledan_> of course there's also the aussie foreplay "brace yaself, sheila"
[16:53]  * diddledan_ hides
[19:07] <davmor2> diddledan_: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2v6abw
[19:27] <davmor2> http://www.billboard.com/articles/business/6776984/adele-25-42-percent-record-sales-7-5-million-200  and with her clothes on, lets see miley match that :D
[20:36] <diddledan_> wow
[20:36] <diddledan_> 42%
[20:36] <diddledan_> that's of ALL music sales?!
[20:39] <zmoylan-pi> so... adele is the answer to the music industries questions? :-)
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> a
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> a Dell?
[20:49] <daftykins> dude, you're getting Adele
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> my laptop is a dell..
[21:48] <diddledan_> what do you want a dell for?! :-p
[22:24] <diddledan_> time to catch-up on shield
[22:24] <diddledan_> agents thereof
[22:32] <awilkins> What the cheapest VPS with US servers? (really, I'm taking Raspberry Pi levels of hardware...)
[22:33] <diddledan_> hmm
[22:33] <diddledan_> digitalocean do 5$ per mo
[22:33] <awilkins> Hrrmph
[22:33] <diddledan_> I've not looked at linode in a while
[22:33] <awilkins> Heh, annoyed by the loss of my current DNS proxy for Netflix usage :-)
[22:34] <diddledan_> :-(
[22:34] <diddledan_> sucky
[22:34] <awilkins> All the DNS services specifically for the purpose charge about $5 a month
[22:34] <awilkins> I pay $2.95 for 15GB of Usenes
[22:34] <awilkins> Usenet
[22:34] <diddledan_> usenet ftw
[22:35] <awilkins> $5 for a few tens of kB of DNS requests seems excessive in comparison
[22:39] <diddledan_> I think for netflix they might need to do some proxying of some stuff too
[22:42] <daftykins> awilkins: eh, as in for netflix US?
[22:42] <daftykins> digitalocean setups are neat, you can get OpenVPN fired up within 30 mins of creating an instance
[22:43] <awilkins> daftykins, Yeah, all you need is the DNS proxied a bit
[22:44] <awilkins> daftykins, The names are the same for their content servers across the globe... they geolocate your DNS request
[22:44] <daftykins> ah so you can probably tunnel that over SSH instead?
[22:44] <awilkins> Hmm, maybe
[22:44] <awilkins> There are whole docker containers with the relevant gubbins in to just be a DNS server
[22:45] <awilkins> Set up to do it
[22:45] <awilkins> Been binging Deep Space 9
[22:45] <awilkins> But something is up with the DNS server I've been using
[22:45] <awilkins> They have ALL the Star Trek on US Netflix
[22:45] <daftykins> ah i've watched all of that not long ago :>
[22:46]  * zmoylan-pi has all trek on a hard drive barring original series... must sort that
[22:46] <zmoylan-pi> which is odd as i do have animated series :-)
[22:46] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: but you can't go without fine moments such as - https://www.dropbox.com/s/4n7k0td4rur4jjs/spock.JPG?dl=0
[22:46] <diddledan_> sobbing mathematically?
[22:47] <zmoylan-pi> i held of buying the dvds as they said they were going to remaster the original series but never got around to getting them
[22:47] <daftykins> i got some blurays with the re-done CG sequences, they don't actually ruin anything compared with the originals
[22:48] <daftykins> i'd not seen TOS before
[22:48] <awilkins> US Netflix apparently has the remastered
[22:48] <daftykins> awilkins: how far did you get in DS9?
[22:48] <awilkins> Close to end of Season 2
[22:48] <awilkins> Garak just had his brain implant melt down
[22:48] <awilkins> S3 I think actually
[22:48] <zmoylan-pi> like a lot of trek season one is never great
[22:48] <awilkins> The Maquis stuff just kicked off
[22:48] <daftykins> :D
[22:49] <daftykins> the Doctor and Garak scenes are ace
[22:49] <awilkins> RIght, beddy byes time
[22:49] <awilkins> Gnight
[22:49] <zmoylan-pi> garak commenting on the boy who cried wolf...
[22:49] <zmoylan-pi> o/
[22:51] <zmoylan-pi> garak and quark and the root beer...
[22:51] <zmoylan-pi> all of gark and odo
[22:52]  * zmoylan-pi puts on red dwarf 'psirens'
[22:53] <zmoylan-pi> the one with the models of trek and space 1999 ships :-)
[23:13] <zmoylan-pi> 'this baby's crashed more times than a zx81' :-D
[23:50] <diddledan_> if you thought csi cyber was funky hacker depictions, scorpion is awesome!
[23:50] <diddledan_> (awesomely bad that is, which I love!)
[23:51] <zmoylan-pi> hollywood hackers at it's silliest?
[23:51] <diddledan_> the introduction credits have "</" and ">" before and after random headings
[23:51] <diddledan_> that tels you how awesome it is
[23:52]  * zmoylan-pi is intrigued and makes a mental note to look for it
[23:53] <daftykins> :)
[23:54] <zmoylan-pi> if only coding at night wearing a balaclava was photogenic... :-)
[23:55] <diddledan_> ooh, that's what I'm doing wrong, I don't have a balaclava
[23:55] <zmoylan-pi> if you're a noob you can slum it in a hoodie...


[11:53] <duh_> hi, my maas pxe installation keep failing at 83% (configuring linux-image-3.13.0-32-generic (amd64)) , just wonder anyone in here has experienced the same problem before? Thx
[20:42] <dpb1> Hi -- when I deployed a node with juju on maas, it got /dev/sdb as it's root device.  Is this a valid possibility?  or a bug?
[23:55] <itredneck> i dont know if im doing something wrong but my interfaces are not showing under networks in maas, anyone have any ideas?
[23:55] <itredneck> both are up in the OS