[04:15] <ScottK> So I'm reading my mail on my phone today and I'm shocked to find I have this mail from Colin with the subject (what of it can can see) of "Temporarily blocking your uploads" and for a minute I'm really wondering, WTF did I do to upset him?
[06:22] <knome> ScottK, <3
[06:30] <cjwatson> ScottK: Yeah, sorry, apparently I got the subject way wrong for everyone :)
[18:03] <seb128> bdmurray, "Your upload of gnome-control-center version 1:3.6.3-0ubuntu45 to saucy has resulted in an error that was first reported about this version of the package.  The error follows:
[18:03] <seb128> https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/d4dca166eaf87c44dbf3be978e9d7520bc7f5586"
[18:03] <seb128> bdmurray, how/who do I tell that it's not a regression in that update?
[18:05] <bdmurray> seb128: telling me works
[18:05] <seb128> the issue is in the network panel, which is not changed in that update (and there was reports from older versions)
[18:05] <seb128> bdmurray, ok, so I'm telling you ;-)
[18:06] <bdmurray> seb128: okay, I'll get it taken care of
[18:06] <seb128> bdmurray, thanks
[22:59] <xnox> Please demote libav into universe bug 1243235, it's ready to go.
[22:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1243235 in libav (Ubuntu) "Please demote libav to universe" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1243235
[23:07] <infinity> xnox: On it.
[23:07] <xnox>  \o/
[23:08] <infinity> I assume this means we can sync libav instead of merging it?
[23:09] <infinity> Oh, except that we also have an arm64 patch in there, so we'll need to see if the new Debian version has that.
[23:09] <infinity> I'll have a look over the weekend after I get home, I think.  Unless I get bored tonight.
[23:10] <cjwatson> I think at least part of it is, judging from the upstream changelog
[23:10] <cjwatson> Not clear whether it's all
[23:10] <cjwatson> ("configure: enable pic for shared libs on AArch64")


[01:36] <karni> CardinalFang: hi Chad. I was recently thinking about what's the resonable amount of Logging info, how to lower the overhead it produces, and simply use it wisely. I also read a few articles, and came up with this implementation (still quite basic, doesn't accept Throwable's yet). http://paste.ubuntu.com/547630/ A logger of proper verbosity automatically kicks in (although you can still toggle using application preferences via the boo
[01:36] <karni> whoa.. that's more like an e-mail
[01:36] <karni> night guys!
[01:38] <CardinalFang> Hah
[01:38] <karni> wha, you're here :) I was just leaving.
[01:39] <CardinalFang> I'm just visiting.
[01:39] <CardinalFang> karni, I'll visit next week, but I'll be on vacation most of the time.
[01:39] <karni> It's all balancing between the logs verbosity, object (de)allocation (of Strings), and configurability.
[01:39] <karni> CardinalFang: I see :) ok!
[01:41] <karni> CardinalFang: Have some good rest, and wish you all the best in the New Year :) Talk to you some time soon :)
[01:43]  * karni is away
[08:56] <nirazio> I downloaded the Ubuntu Music app for android (running v.2.2) and all was going well... I had no problems uploading a couple albums to my "cloud" and then accessing them in the music app, but suddenly it seems like the app won't read the tags on my files and every new file is classified as "unknown artist" on "unknown album" even though I have double checked that the files were tagged correctly.Is this a known problem?Is any forma
[16:09] <IdleOne> Just wanted to say that rye rocks! Thank you.
[16:20] <CardinalFang> He really does.
[17:12]  * karni has another family get together
[17:41] <Chipaca> Need assistance? Review the Status and the FAQ first: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Status and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/FAQ | http://bit.ly/caHbOf for help on adding your computer | Find us also on Ask Ubuntu: http://is.gd/gOeD2 | Then say "honk" for more help. Please be patient :) | https://one.ubuntu.com/ || NOTICE most of the team is out until January 3. Have triple extra patience (hang around for several hours after asking t
[17:41] <Chipaca> he question).
[17:41] <Chipaca> oops
[17:42] <Chipaca> hmm, suspected as much
[17:42] <Chipaca> there, that's better
[20:21] <karni> How do I merge an approved merge proposal branch into trunk?
[20:21] <karni> bzr merge [trunk here] ?
[20:24] <karni> ok, I see bzr merge is for something else ;)
[20:26] <beuno> karni, yes, go to the trunk branch
[20:27] <beuno> bzr merge ../otherbranch
[20:27] <beuno> commit
[20:27] <beuno> push to trunk
[20:28] <karni> oh, so you push to trunk. thank you beuno
[20:28] <karni> beuno: I didn't expect you here ;)
[20:28] <beuno> np
[20:28]  * karni was just reading bzr manual
[20:31] <karni> beuno: I know it's against policy, but as long as it's holiday, can I merge future unapproved proposals into trunk? (say, before Jan 2nd)
[20:32] <beuno> karni, sure, that's what dvcs are for
[20:34] <karni> beuno: ok, thank you. (I assumed I probably should wait for reviews, but that could slow down some work during this particular holiday period.)
[20:36] <beuno> karni, right, at least for now, don't block on reviews
[20:36] <beuno> we'll see again once we're in the first weeks of Jan again
[20:37] <karni> beuno: right. that'll be good, thanks.
[20:41]  * karni merged upload to U1F trunk. leaves to walk the dog.


[06:39] <Unit193> < sorinello> Hello. Any plans for 18.10 on i386....Ubuntu disabled the 32bit upgrade path as it is intended to drop that arch sometime before the next LTS, not quite sure yet.  As such, Bionic will be supported longer (3 years for Xubuntu) and their goal is to prevent people from upgrading to a path that dead ends.
[06:40] <Unit193> Regarding the icons, yes they're not my favorite either.  They come from Elementary's icon theme though.
[06:45] <sorinello> Unit193, thanks a lot for the replies. ANother thing I figured it out on my Lenovo Thinkpad (clean install, TWICE) is that the "Sound Menu" from the indicator applet does not work anymore. Volume buttons do not work anymore (multimedia keyboard and laptop's own keyboard. It's like they are dead. The fix is to add  "Pulse Audio Plugin" item to the taskba
[06:46] <Unit193> ...Pulseaudio plugin *is* default in the panel. indicator-sound is no longer shipped.
[06:47] <Unit193> You either need PA plug, or indicator-sound+xfce4-indicator-plugin+xfce4-..Whatever the volume one is.
[06:47] <Unit193> xfce4-volumed, unsurprisingly.
[06:48] <sorinello> Unit193, let me try
[06:53] <sorinello> Unit193, indeed, holy s**t it worked. I googled a ton and found nothing helpful. It is still not clear to me what the issue was
[06:53] <Unit193> xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin is likely the better way to go (hence why it's the default.)
[06:54] <sorinello> so a sepaarate item in taskbar instead the one supplied with the Indicator Plugin ?
[06:54] <Unit193> Yeah.


[17:48] <lotuspsychje> reporting a rather odd behaviour from a user on 20.04 with nvidia optimus card, after recent updates external screen did not recognize anymore, changing nvidia-settings from 'on-demand' to performance mode fixed it, anyone knows a relevant bugs for it, id be interested
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> dpkg logs of the user: https://pastebin.com/2Un4E8PQ
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> external monitor worked fine before the updates, they claimed


[22:52] <PCLine_> HELLO EVERYONE
[22:52] <PCLine_> Sorry - Did not notice Caps on.
[23:00] <skellat> ydwoH


[02:25] <vish> troy_s: heya... been bushy.. pixel-pushing humanity for lucid release :D
[02:25] <vish> busy*
[02:37]  * darkmatter pushes pixels up vish... nm ;p
[02:40] <vish> ;)
[02:44] <vish> hmm , this looks wrong for so many reasons >  http://old.nabble.com/file/p27613841/humanity2.png , can be mistaken for several body parts ;p
[03:19] <troy_s> vish: That's the upside of working with workshopping.
[03:19] <troy_s> vish: You avoid the 'OMFG THAT'S A PENIS!!!'
[03:20] <troy_s> vish: At any rate, have things settled in on the cover a bit?
[03:21] <vish> troy_s: yup , finally! after whining a lot ... a cover without the animal is acceptable ;)
[03:22] <troy_s> vish: That's positive. How's the typeface selection going?
[03:22] <troy_s> vish: Better I hope?
[03:22] <vish> thorwil is a happier guy nowadays and new directions are acceptable too... typeface is goin on too
[03:23] <troy_s> vish: So progress is being made. That's positive.
[03:23] <troy_s> vish: Hopefully everyone is feeling more on the same page and that the thing is evolving in a positive manner.
[03:24] <vish>  yeah.. :)
[09:47] <kwwii> morning everyone
[10:06] <thorwil> http://durian.blender.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/final-cartoon-team-durian-colors-all.jpg
[15:56]  * kwwii heads out to the airport
[21:00] <zniavre> good evening
[21:01] <zniavre> i want to tupdate my icon set with new trash icon but it does not appreas into nautilus sidepanel
[21:01] <zniavre> update*
[21:01] <zniavre> (sorry for typos )
[23:09] <kwwii> hey kids
[23:09]  * kwwii returns from London
[23:10] <kwwii> and spams the list
[23:27] <dashua> Hey kwwii
[23:41] <troy_s> kwwii: Serious question, wtf is up with icons for mimetypes. _Dead_ serious.
[23:41] <troy_s> kwwii: Isn't that sort of dare I say - retro as a Greek column?
[23:41] <troy_s> kwwii: Would it not make more sense to simply adopt and polish the already existing thumbnailers available?
[23:42] <kwwii> troy_s: erm, not sure exactly what you mean
[23:42] <troy_s> kwwii: Icons are a misery of yesterday, and most certainly a dead trend. They aren't exactly illuminating to just about anyone.
[23:42] <troy_s> kwwii: Well... it's like suggesting we should have an icon that looks like xxx for a jpg.
[23:43] <troy_s> kwwii: When the real question should be "Why the hell in 2010 are we using a singular icon to represent any sort of data?"
[23:43] <troy_s> kwwii: Follow me?
[23:43] <kwwii> troy_s: to some extent you can't simply change *everything* at once (without a really good plan)
[23:43] <troy_s> kwwii: I have to say, even a precursory examination of the possible thumbnailers (Ubuntu Forums)
[23:43] <troy_s> kwwii: I don't think that's 'everything'
[23:43] <troy_s> kwwii: The counter view is borderline ludditedom
[23:43] <kwwii> troy_s: in that sense, I do agree that icons and the current desktop metaphor is fscked
[23:43] <troy_s> kwwii: At one point, jpgs were thumbnailed.
[23:43] <kwwii> but I think you'll see that change in the future
[23:44] <troy_s> kwwii: PDFs are (?)
[23:44] <kwwii> troy_s: well, look at how nautilus deals with previews
[23:44] <kwwii> it is shit
[23:44] <troy_s> kwwii: Raw should be there already (I think it is if you install gnome-raw-thumbnailers)
[23:44] <troy_s> kwwii: Point is - all of the crap is already there.
[23:44] <kwwii> the previews are these large ugly icons and the icons are much smaller...all in neat rows
[23:44] <troy_s> kwwii: Whatever the case, it eliminates the whole icon bruhaha
[23:45] <troy_s> kwwii: And more importantly, pushes one step further down the road of meaningful representational data.
[23:45] <troy_s> kwwii: As in 'We are already doing it'
[23:45] <troy_s> kwwii: It just seems that for some reason, we haven't implemented the bloody OpenOffice thumbnailer that is out there already.
[23:45] <troy_s> kwwii: (PDF is already there right?)
[23:45] <kwwii> troy_s: to be honest, kde does it much better
[23:45] <kwwii> :p
[23:46] <troy_s> kwwii: And KDE is not well done either.
[23:46] <troy_s> kwwii: So let's be fair to fair.
[23:46] <troy_s> kwwii: But that doesn't help Ubuntu _now_ of course.
[23:46] <troy_s> kwwii: Which is the point - the work is already done.
[23:46] <troy_s> kwwii: (And I just tested, PDF is already thumbnailed on my install)
[23:46] <kwwii> no, indeed but in some technical areas it is simply a bit more advanced (in one way or another due to the fact that their toolkit is developed by a company)
[23:46] <troy_s> kwwii: (ODT is _not_)
[23:47] <kwwii> sure
[23:47] <troy_s> kwwii: Moot point if it all ends up looking like asstastic rigid Libretypical.
[23:47] <troy_s> kwwii: Short question: Why the hell isn't Ubuntu using the OpenOffice thumbnailer.
[23:47] <troy_s> kwwii: How much coverage (legit question) is there in thumbnailers now? Probably what - 60-75%?
[23:48] <kwwii> troy_s: to be honest, I have no idea
[23:48] <troy_s> kwwii: (Leaves room for improvement of course - I seem to remember someone on the forums having done a thumbnailer for mp3/ogg/flac music tracks that showed an albumcover and a glyph or something.)
[23:49] <kwwii> it's almost 1am here, I got back from London a couple of hours ago and I've had two vodka tonic's with lime
[23:49] <troy_s> kwwii: Might be a better question than watching 10 people flounder with what a fricking icon should look like (and probably bringing about a bunch of moot points)
[23:49] <kwwii> :p
[23:49] <troy_s> kwwii: Lol.
[23:49] <troy_s> kwwii: Just throwing it out. Seems like a dog chasing it's tail.
[23:49] <troy_s> kwwii: And wasting time while doing it.
[23:49] <kwwii> troy_s: send me an email..I definitely won't remember this in details tomorrow
[23:49] <kwwii> you might have a very good point ;)
[23:51] <troy_s> kwwii: Do I dare click this fricking button? DO I?
[23:53] <kwwii> troy_s: I think that one could create an design which includes pretty much any symbol for any given thing and as long as the *entire* concept is done correctly from start the user would still figure it out
[23:53] <troy_s> kwwii: Bah. You just barfed up classic freetard design ethic.
[23:53] <kwwii> when I moved from MS to Mac it was hard
[23:53] <troy_s> kwwii: Who is the user :)
[23:53] <troy_s> kwwii: Exactly.
[23:54] <kwwii> well, not that extreme, but you get the point
[23:54] <troy_s> Point is, no matter WHAT the decision, someone somewhere is going to be learning.
[23:54] <kwwii> yes, true
[23:54] <troy_s> kwwii: All those fools chatting about intuitive are well... uh... they should probably go study something for a while.
[23:54] <kwwii> if you didn't have to learn it wouldn't be a different system
[23:54] <troy_s> kwwii: Exactly.
[23:55] <troy_s> kwwii: It's difference. If it weren't, it'd be the same.
[23:55] <troy_s> kwwii: But the issue with the fricking icons that pops up over and over is that it's forest through trees.
[23:56] <kwwii> troy_s: true, but I think you'll see that change in the future
[23:57] <troy_s> kwwii: Lol. How long have I been hearing that?
[23:57] <kwwii> wow, the first time I can say that and really mean it with intent ;)
[23:57] <troy_s> kwwii: You are starting to sound like Microsoft over there.
[23:58] <kwwii> troy_s: ask me in 6 months that same question and we'll have an honest talk
[23:58] <troy_s> kwwii: Ugh. If I remember.
[23:58] <kwwii> troy_s: honestly, the design team is just now jelling, so to speak
[23:58] <troy_s> kwwii: It's ethic.
[23:58] <troy_s> kwwii: Where there is none.
[23:58] <kwwii> I think lucid +1 is going to be pretty cool
[23:58] <troy_s> kwwii: With the memenu leading the way?
[23:59] <kwwii> we've already started long term planning
[23:59] <troy_s> lol
[23:59] <kwwii> hehe, well
[23:59] <troy_s> kwwii: _exactly_
[23:59] <kwwii> that is lucid
[23:59] <troy_s> kwwii: *ahem*.
[23:59] <kwwii> give us a chance to get up to speed
[23:59] <troy_s> kwwii: How much more chance before someone somewhere calls the tripe? It's been tripe all along?


[05:12] <nuvolari> o/ mornings
[05:14] <SilverCode> anyone here work at, or know someone who works at Obsidian Systems and knows what is up with their jabber server?
[05:21] <Kilos> morning superfly mazal psychicist and lurkers
[05:22] <superfly> hi Kilos
[05:22] <superfly> morning nuvolari and SilverCode
[05:23] <mazal> Morning everyone
[05:23] <superfly> SilverCode: not a clue. i stopped using it a while ago because my only contact was my wife
[05:24] <Kilos> what did i miss
[05:24] <superfly> and we moved to Google talk when we got android phones
[05:24] <superfly> mazal: Ohi
[05:26] <SilverCode> superfly: sadly I have quite a few work contacts on jabber.co.za still, but would love to move away from it. Seems the server dies every 2nd day now
[05:26] <superfly> it's never been reliable
[05:27] <superfly> don't they have contact details on the site?
[05:27] <SilverCode> which doesn't give me much confidence in their hosting abilities :)
[05:28] <SilverCode> heh, the first thing on their site says "Reliable System Monitoring"
[05:28] <SilverCode> clearly not
[05:30] <SilverCode> on email address listed on their site, only phone numbers and a silly contact form
[05:30] <SilverCode> *on = no
[05:36] <Kilos> hi SilverCode
[05:36] <kbmonkey> morning
[05:36] <Kilos> ohi kbmonkey
[05:37] <kbmonkey> just popping in to say hello :]
[05:37] <Kilos> hello young man
[05:38] <kbmonkey> not that young anymore!
[05:38] <Kilos> when you over 50 you not that young
[05:38] <kbmonkey> well I am over halfway there!
[05:38] <SilverCode> hi Kilos
[05:39] <Kilos> haha
[05:39] <Kilos> you struggling with jabber SilverCode ?
[05:41] <Kilos> tell me when you fix it
[05:41] <Kilos> hehe
[05:42] <Kilos> you well kbmonkey ?
[05:42] <kbmonkey> yes Kilos and you?
[05:42] <Kilos> ohi not_found lost again i see
[05:42]  * Kilos good today ty
[05:43] <Kilos> we had 4mm rain last night and massive storm
[05:43] <Kilos> hard living in semi arid country
[05:44] <Kilos> yo bduk
[05:44] <kbmonkey> is 4mm measured over 1 sqr meter Kilos ?
[05:45] <Kilos> in a rain gauge
[05:45] <Kilos> so i gues thats 4mm over the whole area
[05:45] <kbmonkey> okay, I will google to find out :)
[05:45] <nuvolari> oh hi oom Kilos, kbmonkey, SilverCode
[05:46]  * nuvolari tips hat
[05:46] <Kilos> hi nuvolari
[05:46] <nuvolari> lo bduk
[05:46] <kbmonkey> ya, I just wonder how large that area is
[05:46] <nuvolari> and superfly
[05:46] <kbmonkey> cos 4mm at any given point is a lot! lol
[05:46] <Kilos> lol i have no idea how they work it out
[05:46] <Kilos> no man it just sokes in here
[05:46] <Kilos> soaks
[05:47] <Kilos> very dry here even weeds are struggling
[05:50] <kbmonkey> eish,, mutt is failing today. need another mail client :(
[05:51] <Kilos> have you tried sylpheed
[05:52] <Kilos> it worked ok here but i couldnt use my evo backup to save all addresses
[05:52] <bduk> Morning everyone
[05:54] <kbmonkey> hello bduk
[05:55] <kbmonkey> no Kilos don't know sylpheed i will look it up
[05:55] <Kilos> in our repos
[05:55] <Kilos> someone else here also uses it
[05:56] <kbmonkey> I see it in the debian repos. GTK.
[05:56] <kbmonkey> cool
[05:56] <kbmonkey> another one I tried was cone
[05:56] <Kilos> i think Squirm uses another one too
[05:57] <Kilos> but none give the backup option like evolution
[05:57] <Kilos> so i live with the heavy thing
[05:57] <kbmonkey> I have backups full system
[05:58] <Kilos> yeah but do your email addies work if you change mail client
[05:58] <Kilos> when i change i gotta do it manually from scratch
[05:59] <kbmonkey> what do you mean?
[05:59] <kbmonkey> do the configuration again?
[05:59] <Kilos> like if i use sylpheed it dont see all my mail addies from evolution
[06:00] <Kilos> and major work to write all down and add to contacts
[06:01] <kbmonkey> oh contacts, lol
[06:01] <Kilos> ya them
[06:01] <kbmonkey> mmm, dunno I only email a few anyway
[06:02] <kbmonkey> you must know hundreds of people then Kilos ;)\
[06:02] <Kilos> spanne contacts
[06:03] <Kilos> you gotta cut you finger nails
[06:03] <kbmonkey> I gotta have more coffee
[06:03] <kbmonkey> I am off now - work :[
[06:03] <Kilos> that \ after enter is my reminder to cut finger nails
[06:03] <Kilos> go well and havva good day
[06:03] <kbmonkey> my nails are short I cut them last night!
[06:03] <Kilos> lol
[06:04] <kbmonkey> lol
[06:04] <kbmonkey> Its these keyboards with small enter keys - used to the old keyboards with large buttons ;)
[06:04] <Kilos> aha
[06:10] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[06:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning :)
[06:49] <inetpro> good morning
[06:49] <Kilos> good morning inetpro
[07:06] <Kilos> what am i doing wrong, the fox dont open the applet thing when i click the button
[07:06] <Kilos> http://fermi.la.asu.edu/ccli/applets/yagi/yagi.html
[07:27] <Squirm> hello
[07:27] <Kilos> hi Squirm tell me what im doing wrong please
[07:27] <Squirm> with what?
[07:27] <Kilos> http://fermi.la.asu.edu/ccli/applets/yagi/yagi.html
[07:28] <Kilos> i click on the button but nothing happens
[07:28] <Kilos> even double clicked
[07:28] <Squirm> I use chrome
[07:28] <Squirm> it popped up asking if I want to run this application with java
[07:28] <Squirm> so I clicked yes
[07:29] <Squirm> and it seems to work
[07:29] <Kilos> ok lemme install chrome
[07:30] <Kilos> is chromium good?
[07:31] <Kilos> i dont see chrome in repos
[07:34] <Squirm> chromium
[07:35] <Squirm> I think you'll need to go to the website
[07:35] <Squirm> I enjoy it
[07:35] <Squirm> syncs all my bookmarks between my 3 pcs and my cellphone
[07:35] <Squirm> and history
[07:35] <Squirm> open tabs
[07:35] <Squirm> etc
[07:35] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:35] <Kilos> chrome is made from chromium
[07:36] <Kilos> so maybe chromium will work
[07:36] <Squirm> can be a little power hungry at times though
[07:36] <Squirm> chromium is chrome
[07:36] <Kilos> its just for that one page
[07:36] <Squirm> otherwise, just make sure java is installed correctly
[07:37] <Kilos> maybe thats where the prob is
[07:42] <Kilos> ah chromium tells me java(TM) is required
[07:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> sadly. java is the only reason i still need to keep a windows vm. I don't have the time to wrestle with it when it breaks every 5 days. :-(
[07:59] <Kilos> eish 133m download
[08:42] <Kilos> ai!
[08:42] <Kilos> java(TM) needs your permission to run
[08:49] <Kilos> yay now chromium needs permissions for the java thing but the fox works
[08:49] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[08:49]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[08:53] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[08:54] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[08:54] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[08:55] <Kilos> opera also works with java installed
[09:15] <charl> good morning !
[09:15] <charl> hi Kilos, psyatw
[09:17] <psyatw> hi charl
[09:17] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:17] <psyatw> goedemorgen!
[09:17] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[09:17] <Kilos> hi charl
[09:18]  * Kilos found wonderful antenna design tool
[09:23] <charl> goedemorgen psyatw, hoe gaat het in polen?
[09:24] <psyatw> het gaat wel aardig hier, charl
[09:24] <psyatw> maar of ik hier echt een toekomst heb, weet ik niet
[09:24] <psyatw> inkomens zijn relatief laag en dat kun je je maar voor een bepaalde tijd veroorloven
[09:25] <charl> ja dat is helaas wel een probleem met de "armer" landen zeg maar... zijn er wel veel werkmogelijkheden?
[09:25] <psyatw> vooral omdat ik mijn studie bij de open universiteit wil vervolgen (ik was delftenaar) en dat kost geld, wat ik hier niet verdien
[09:25] <charl> bah dat zuigt
[09:25] <psyatw> ja inderdaad
[09:28] <charl> ik wou je nog eens een keer vragen... hoe zit het in polen qua uitrol van glasvezel?
[09:28] <charl> ftth namelijk
[09:31] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg_h
[09:31] <SmilyBorg_h> Hey there Kilos
[09:32] <SmilyBorg_h> how are you doing today?
[09:32] <Kilos> im well and excited ty and you?
[09:32] <charl> hi SmilyBorg
[09:32] <SmilyBorg> Hi charl
[09:33] <SmilyBorg> I'm doing ok. bit chilly in Durban today
[09:33] <charl> durban? it ever gets cold in durban? :)
[09:33] <SmilyBorg> just spent the lasft few hours at The Factory Cafe drinking good coffee :-)
[09:33] <Kilos> hmm... must be rain coming or been raining and wind chill factor helping
[09:33] <charl> it's 8 degrees over here right now btw, warm compared to yesterday
[09:34] <SmilyBorg> my body treats anything below 23C as cold
[09:34] <Kilos> hahaha same as me
[09:34] <SmilyBorg> eish
[09:37] <SmilyBorg> weather SA says it's 19 in durban today
[09:37] <SmilyBorg> but my feet are blocks of ice
[09:38] <Kilos> Maaz, forecast durban
[09:38] <Maaz> Kilos: Wednesday: Overcast. High: 23° C., Wednesday Night: Overcast. Low: 16° C., Thursday: Rain. High: 21° C., Thursday Night: Rain. Low: 15° C., Friday: Clear. High: 23° C., Friday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 18° C., Saturday: Partly Cloudy. High: 28° C., Saturday Night: Chance of Rain. Low: 17° C., Sunday: Chance of Rain. High: 23° C., Sunday Night:
[09:38] <Maaz> Chance of Rain. Low: 17° C., Monday: Chance of Rain. High: 21° C., Monday Night: Mostly Clo…
[09:38] <Kilos> hang on till saterday then youl be good again
[09:39] <SmilyBorg> yay :-)
[09:39] <Kilos> you'll
[09:39] <SmilyBorg> supposed to be going to a Hawaiian Luau themed party on Saturday so warm will be good
[09:42] <Kilos> hehe
[09:42] <Kilos> hi gwood
[12:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> Maaz, forecast velddrif
[12:48] <Maaz> ThatGraemeGuy: City not found
[12:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> booooooooo!
[12:50] <Kilos> where is that ThatGraemeGuy ?
[12:51] <Kilos> whats the closest recognised city
[12:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> recognised by who? anyone in cape town knows where it is already :-p
[12:51] <Kilos> lol
[12:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> its on the west coast, about 150km from cape town i think
[12:52] <Kilos> is a suburb of capetown
[12:52] <Kilos> oh
[12:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> dis sommer 'n klein vissermans dorpie
[12:52] <charl> 150km is far
[12:52] <inetpro> Velddrif or Velddrift (population 7800 in 2007[2]) is a coastal fishing town in the Bergrivier Local Municipality, Western Cape, South Africa. It is located on the estuary where the Berg River flows into St. Helena Bay.
[12:52] <inetpro> it's even on Wikipedia
[12:52] <Kilos> not often dorpies are included in reconised by maaz
[12:53] <charl> i was about to say, inetpro turned into our new wikipedia :)
[12:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> it should use a better source then :P
[12:53] <Kilos> oh my hi inetpro thuinder coming hey
[12:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://yr.no/ is my favourite
[12:53] <charl> a norwegian weather service?!
[12:53] <inetpro> Kilos: eish! Can you tell me boss
[12:54] <charl> whow it is super fast
[12:54] <Kilos> yip ill keep an eye on it
[12:54] <Kilos> does http://yr.no/ give the weather in veldtdrift
[12:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> no man, stop being so lazy!
[12:55] <Kilos> i go cast a weather eye out
[12:55] <Kilos> lol
[12:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> it will take you 5 seconds to find the answer to your question
[12:55] <Kilos> im tired man
[12:56] <Kilos> oh i looked there but didnt investigate further
[12:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> dan moet oom dalk 'n lekker middagslapie vang ;)
[12:57] <Kilos> i gotta go check weather and look for square dowel
[13:00] <Kilos> coming from the north west inetpro but very widespread already. broken every now and again
[13:01] <inetpro> hmm...
[13:01] <inetpro> dankie oom
[13:02] <Kilos> The search for Veldtdrift south africa returned 0 results
[13:02] <Kilos> We did not find any forecasts for places called Veldtdrift south africa on yr.no.
[13:02] <Kilos> np
[13:26] <Kilos> will need to watch this one inetpro , might be better to carry on and travel after storm
[13:26] <Kilos> kalefong getting it now
[13:27] <Kilos> unless you go now quick
[13:36] <Kilos> looks like its in town already
[13:39] <SilverCode> *sigh* jabber.co.za down again :(
[13:40] <Kilos> mine is still up SilverCode
[13:40] <SilverCode> I can only imagine they are runnign the server off a raspberry pi that is powered off a cheap usb hub
[13:40] <SilverCode> Kilos: really?
[13:40] <Kilos> oh i use jabber.org
[13:40] <SilverCode> ah, that would be why then
[13:40] <SilverCode> jabber.co.za is going down on a daily basis
[13:40] <Kilos> eish
[13:40] <Kilos> i dont use many .co.za
[13:40] <SilverCode> I actually tried to register an account on jabber.org this morning in hopes of moving away from .co.za, but it looks like .org have stopped registrations
[13:41] <Kilos> even google
[13:41] <Kilos> then just use a gmail account
[13:42] <SilverCode> the thing I don't like about using GTalk/hangouts, is I can happily have a converstaion through pidgin, and then as soon as I leave the office and my phone goes onto 3G, I get a the entire converstaion flooding my phone
[13:43] <Kilos> June 25, 2013: We have temporarily disabled account registration at the jabber.org IM service while we migrate the account database to a new machine.
[13:43] <Kilos> they will be open again
[13:44] <SilverCode> when though ... 25th June was quite a while ago
[13:44] <Kilos> you can create an account here in the meantime they say
[13:44] <Kilos> http://xmpp.net/
[13:47] <charl> very interesting Kilos
[13:48] <Kilos> what?
[13:48] <charl> xmpp.net
[13:48] <charl> IM Observatory
[13:48] <charl> Testing the security of the Jabber/XMPP network.
[13:49] <Kilos> oh ya
[13:49] <charl> i run my own server using prosody
[13:49] <charl> i used to use swissjabber.ch
[13:49] <Kilos> ill get to running my own server again one day
[13:49] <charl> it doesn't *always* work but generally i found it to be very stable
[13:49] <charl> and besides, it is being run in switzerland, and switzerland has rigurous privacy laws
[13:49] <Kilos> jabber.org hasnt crashed with me yet
[13:50] <charl> also accessible via ipv6
[13:50] <Kilos> lots of the .co.za stuff aint good
[13:50] <Kilos> ipv6 would kill my pc
[13:50] <charl> maybe they are doing a half-effort of running it, not really a priority
[13:50] <charl> why would it kill your pc?
[13:50] <Kilos> nad psu"s are expensive
[13:50] <Kilos> cant do ipv6
[13:51] <Kilos> s/nad/and
[13:51] <charl> psu? power supply unit?
[13:51] <Kilos> ya
[13:51] <charl> what does power supply have to do with ipv6?
[13:51] <Kilos> already usint 2 to run 3 drives
[13:51] <Kilos> strain
[13:51] <Kilos> hehe
[13:51] <charl> ipv6 is networking, has absolutely nothing to do with power use
[13:52] <Kilos> like putting a ferrari engine in a uno
[13:52] <Kilos> whells cant keep up
[13:52] <Kilos> wheels
[13:52] <charl> neh ipv6 is not really less or more efficient than ipv4 afaik
[13:52] <Kilos> well lemme see
[13:52] <charl> on the one side, the address length is longer, but in many ways it is more efficient
[13:52] <Kilos> isnt a faster net mean the pc must work faster to keep up?
[13:53] <charl> i don't think that would have anything to do with it, i think the biggest bottleneck is still your connection to the isp
[13:53] <Kilos> i already have youtube buffering
[13:53] <charl> it does have implications for the isp though, for example ipv6 multicasting
[13:53] <charl> that is a HUGE advantage for life broadcasts
[13:54] <charl> *live
[13:54] <charl> fully replace the existing cable/over the air/satellite broadcast infrastructure with ip-based broadcast infrastructure
[13:55] <charl> i already watch all my tv through the internet, i don't even have a regular tv, only a 27 inch edge-lit led screen i attach to my laptop
[13:55] <charl> but that's in low quality though, not nearly 1080p hd
[13:55] <Kilos> maybe better for me with slow net. fast net means fast data usage
[13:55] <charl> i don't think ipv6 would radically impact your data use
[13:56] <charl> the question is when isps will start rolling it out
[13:56] <charl> at work we have had native ipv6 for ages but my cable provider at home is lagging behind
[13:56] <Kilos> they all trying to out do each other at the moment here
[13:56] <charl> comcast in the usa has actually been one of the front runners
[13:57] <charl> my biggest problem is i only have the option of one cable provider, called ziggo, with the only alternative being tele2 which completely sucks
[13:57] <charl> so i have to stick to ziggo regardless of what
[13:57] <charl> the only alternative is dsl and that is uber-slow, about 30mbps or something
[13:57] <Kilos> and mobile expensive?
[13:57] <Kilos> wow that is slow
[13:57] <Kilos> like edge
[13:58] <Kilos> how do you watch tv at that speed
[13:58] <charl> youphone.nl is fairly cheap, but it's 3g/4g, which is also comparatively slow and they have a "fair use" policy on their unlimited data offering
[13:59] <Kilos> i get 3g up to 500mB/s when downloading
[13:59] <charl> what? how the heck do you manage that
[13:59] <Kilos> i dunno
[13:59] <charl> my ziggo cable connection (eurodocsis) is 150mbps
[14:00] <Kilos> told you okes other day got 63m in 2 mins
[14:00] <charl> are you sure you don't have mbps and kbps confused?
[14:00] <Kilos> nope the pro also checked
[14:00] <Kilos> i posted what aptitude told me
[14:00] <charl> sorry meeting bbl
[14:00] <Kilos> fetched so much in so long
[14:03] <Kilos> ai! 500kB/s
[14:21] <inetpro> Kilos: hoe lyk dinge nou daar?
[14:22] <Kilos> storm dit nie in die dorp nie
[14:22] <Kilos> na jou huis is dinner wolke as in die dorp
[14:23] <inetpro> Kan nie sien in die kantoor nie
[14:23] <inetpro> kantoor kyk na binne
[14:24] <Kilos> skoner na jou huis maar van hier lyk dit donker in die dorp
[14:24] <inetpro> ty
[14:24] <Kilos> yw
[15:20] <inetpro> Maaz: tell kilos am slightly wet but at home
[15:20] <Maaz> inetpro: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[15:32] <charl> ok back
[16:43] <nuvolari> o/ yellaw
[16:43] <nuvolari> *yellow
[16:44] <Trixar_za> greenings
[16:47] <nuvolari> oh hi Trixar_za
[18:45] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:45] <Kilos> power just came back and here comes next hail storm


[15:59] <mapreri> ddstreet, teward: shall we?
[15:59] <ddstreet> o/ yep
[15:59] <ddstreet> teward around?
[16:00] <mapreri> btw: i'd like to ask if we could move back this meeting by 1 hour
[16:00] <ddstreet> to 15:00 UTC?
[16:00] <ddstreet> fine by me
[16:00] <mapreri> we didn't change the time after DST changed, but I have somewhat of a preference for what is currently is 17 UTC (and used to be 16 UTC)
[16:00] <mapreri> err
[16:00] <ddstreet> oh later ok
[16:00] <mapreri> i guess "move back" and "move forward" is always troublesome :D
[16:00] <ddstreet> yeah lol
[16:01] <ddstreet> i actually do have a mtg at that time slot
[16:01] <mapreri> let's say, to 18 of what my clock here say? :>
[16:01] <ddstreet> would 18:00 UTC work for you?
[16:02] <ddstreet> might be getting late in your day though
[16:02] <mapreri> it would normally but every so often it doesn't, I'd rather not have to reschedule "sometimes" if I can save it
[16:02] <mapreri> it 17 UTC you can't, we can keep at 16 UTC, no real issue
[16:02] <ddstreet> we should check with teward as well, and seems he isn't around, maybe we should bring it up on ML?
[16:02] <mapreri> it's just a minor inconvenience to me, I can easily make it work
[16:03] <ddstreet> yeah but surely we can find a time that works ok for just the 3 of us :)
[16:03] <ddstreet> let's start the mtg and we can add an action item for it
[16:03] <ddstreet> #startmeeting Ubuntu Backporters
[16:03] <meetingology> Meeting started at 16:03:44 UTC.  The chair is ddstreet.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[16:03] <meetingology> Available commands: action, commands, idea, info, link, nick
[16:03] <mapreri> making 3 people agree can be harder than one can imagine :D
[16:04] <ddstreet> lol that is indeed true :)
[16:04] <ddstreet> i've been trying to reschedule the DMB meeting too, and that was WAY harder than i thought it would be...still not even done yet...
[16:04] <ddstreet> anyway
[16:04] <ddstreet> ok let's review the previous items
[16:05] <ddstreet> #topic ddstreet email ubuntu-devel list to announce re-opening of backports (carried over)
[16:05] <ddstreet> ugh, i dont think i did this yet, but let's carry over and i definitely will before EOY
[16:05] <ddstreet> #action ddstreet email ubuntu-devel list to announce re-opening of backports (carried over)
[16:05] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet email ubuntu-devel list to announce re-opening of backports (carried over)
[16:05] <ddstreet> i'm going to carry over teward actions since he isn't here
[16:05] <ddstreet> #action teward update tooling, requestbackport (carried over)
[16:05] <meetingology> ACTION: teward update tooling, requestbackport (carried over)
[16:05] <ddstreet> #action teward review backportpackage tool (carried over)
[16:05] <meetingology> ACTION: teward review backportpackage tool (carried over)
[16:06] <ddstreet> we might need to get that backportpackage tooling change sped up, i think there's been some confusion with people trying to use it still
[16:06] <ddstreet> #topic mapreri propose text for membership process to add to KB page (carried over)
[16:06] <ddstreet> carry over i assume?
[16:06] <mapreri> that will happen by EOY as well, I'm sure!
[16:06] <ddstreet> #action mapreri propose text for membership process to add to KB page (carried over)
[16:06] <meetingology> ACTION: mapreri propose text for membership process to add to KB page (carried over)
[16:07] <ddstreet> all the unassigned actions let's carry over
[16:07] <ddstreet> #action (unassigned) define details on handling members/leads who are no longer participating (carried over)
[16:07] <meetingology> ACTION: (unassigned) define details on handling members/leads who are no longer participating (carried over)
[16:07]  * mapreri doesn't fully understand why people would even need a tool such backportpacakge to do such trivial task… tbh
[16:07] <ddstreet> #action (unassigned) define process/procedure for adding new members (carried over)
[16:07] <meetingology> ACTION: (unassigned) define process/procedure for adding new members (carried over)
[16:07] <ddstreet> #action (unassigned) get DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu dch --bpo to DTRT pls
[16:07] <meetingology> ACTION: (unassigned) get DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu dch --bpo to DTRT pls
[16:07] <ddstreet> #action (unassigned) fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix
[16:07] <meetingology> ACTION: (unassigned) fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix
[16:07] <mapreri> I can take this
[16:07] <mapreri> in the form of opening a bug
[16:07] <ddstreet> great!
[16:07] <ddstreet> #action mapreri fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix
[16:07] <meetingology> ACTION: mapreri fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix
[16:08] <mapreri> don't you need #undo i guess?
[16:08] <ddstreet> oh wow does that work?
[16:08] <ddstreet> #undo (unassigned) fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix
[16:08] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: ACTION
[16:08] <ddstreet> ha nice!
[16:08] <mapreri> mh
[16:08] <mapreri> does THAT work
[16:08] <mapreri> back "in my times" it used to remove the "last recorded item"
[16:08] <ddstreet> mh
[16:08] <ddstreet> doesnt' seem to
[16:08] <mapreri> we'll discover in the produced minutes i guess
[16:09] <ddstreet> i should probably read the docs for meetingology some day
[16:09] <ddstreet> yep :)
[16:09] <ddstreet> you want the DEB_VENDOR action too?
[16:09] <mapreri> nope
[16:09] <ddstreet> ack
[16:09] <ddstreet> and for the rescheduling
[16:10] <ddstreet> #action ddstreet raise topic of rescheduling meeting on ML
[16:10] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet raise topic of rescheduling meeting on ML
[16:10] <ddstreet> feel free to raise the topic if you'd like to also
[16:10] <mapreri> don't we have an item for me to upload all of the tools ?
[16:10] <ddstreet> no but we can create one :)
[16:10] <mapreri> unfortunately I failed to get around to it
[16:10] <mapreri> better to have it tracked
[16:10] <ddstreet> #action mapreri upload all the tools
[16:10] <meetingology> ACTION: mapreri upload all the tools
[16:11] <mapreri> so, I didn't even get around to it yet, but I see you handling the LO bug and one another.  how was the "feeling" from this side of the job of reviewing?
[16:11] <mapreri> I think that was the real first contribution under the new rules?
[16:11] <ddstreet> yep i believe so
[16:11] <mapreri> "to it" = "to read it"
[16:12] <ddstreet> it seemed pretty straightforward, though i think there's still some confusion over the need to simply 'open a bug' vs. actually finding a sponsor to upload
[16:12] <ddstreet> but this was just from 2 bugs so small sample size, and new process
[16:12] <mapreri> the LO process required a sponsor?
[16:12] <ddstreet> no that one didn't
[16:12] <mapreri> wasn't it done by the mail ubuntu LO maintainer?
[16:12] <mapreri> ah the other one then
[16:12] <ddstreet> it was yeah
[16:12] <mapreri> sdbus-cpp ?
[16:13] <ddstreet> yep
[16:13] <mapreri> it has a "Please" at the start of the subjct :(
[16:13] <ddstreet> to be fair, i am pretty sure it was opened long before the new process
[16:13] <ddstreet> April, i think
[16:13] <mapreri> 2021-02-18
[16:13] <ddstreet> yeah so back when 'open a bug' was the process :)
[16:13] <mapreri> fair, i guess
[16:13] <mapreri> it's still early, and not even announced
[16:14] <ddstreet> from our side of it, i do think we need to work out some better tooling, or at least figure out how to use the 'queue' script
[16:14] <mapreri> ack
[16:14] <mapreri> anyway, should we move to the main part of the meeting?
[16:15] <ddstreet> yep
[16:15] <ddstreet> #topic Discussion
[16:15] <ddstreet> I added some items to the agenda, obviously you or anyone should feel free to add items anytime too, or just bring up stuff during this part of the mtg
[16:15] <ddstreet> let's go thru the 2 listed items
[16:16] <ddstreet> #subtopic Clarification on BPO bug assignee
[16:16]  * mapreri look at Mr. anyone :eyes:
[16:16] <ddstreet> lol i'm sure we have just so many lurkers interesting in backports, don't we? xD
[16:17] <ddstreet> anyway for this clairification, in the sdbus-cpp bug it was brought up that the wiki isn't clear about who should 'own' the BPO bug, or if that's even important to the process
[16:17] <ddstreet> for SRUs, it's not really important, but for other stuff like the MIR process, it is important
[16:18] <ddstreet> i don't think I care either way, but it might be helpful if ~ubuntu-backporters gets assigned the bug after it's uploaded, so we would get an email?
[16:18] <ddstreet> or at least, the bug would be visible in a bug search
[16:18] <ddstreet> what do you think?
[16:19] <mapreri> I think it could help in case too many bugs gets subscribed to us AND ~ubuntu-sponsors, in which case, effectively, there is nothing for us to do.
[16:19] <mapreri> i guess right now our "working queue" is https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-backporters/+subscribedbugs
[16:19] <mapreri> (which we should really clean up, #action ?  I can take this)
[16:20] <mapreri> i suppose the real question is: do we think it's worth the extra "procedure line" just so that we can split the above bug lists *also* into https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-backporters/+assignedbugs ?
[16:20] <ddstreet> personally i don't think it's worth it
[16:21] <mapreri> fwiw, the sru page doesn't even have one match for /assign/.
[16:21] <ddstreet> i think our mandate is to review uploads to the backports queues, right? we aren't taking responsibility for guiding BPO bug requests along
[16:21] <mapreri> well, we want to be subscribed to the bugs so that we can review things, even before uploads, aren't we?
[16:21] <mapreri> else why are bothering with bugs at all.
[16:22] <mapreri> plus I suspect people subscribing the teams actually want something from us, in general? :O
[16:22] <ddstreet> the bugs can be useful to have a discussion when rejecting uploads
[16:22] <ddstreet> but yeah, i think *subscribing* us to bugs is ok; i don't think we should care about who is actually the bug *owner* though right?
[16:23] <ddstreet> meaning the wiki should mention 'subscribe ~ubuntu-backporters to BPO bugs' but the wiki shouldn't say anything about the bug owner/assignee right?
[16:23] <mapreri> i agree, yes
[16:24] <ddstreet> ack, let's action item that then, you want to update the wiki or should i? i'm fine doing adminitrative stuff like this unless you're eager to :)
[16:24] <mapreri> I think I'll give this to you
[16:24] <mapreri> and I take cleaning up https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-backporters/+subscribedbugs from old stuff
[16:24] <ddstreet> #action ddstreet update wiki page clarifying requestors should subscribe ~ubuntu-backporters to BPO bugs
[16:24] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet update wiki page clarifying requestors should subscribe ~ubuntu-backporters to BPO bugs
[16:25] <ddstreet> awesome
[16:25] <ddstreet> #action mapreri clean up https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-backporters/+subscribedbugs
[16:25] <meetingology> ACTION: mapreri clean up https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-backporters/+subscribedbugs
[16:25] <ddstreet> #subtopic Does wiki page need hint about checking the New upload queue?
[16:25] <mapreri> "Backport xtables-addons 2.6-1 to trusty" - fwiw, are uploads to trusty still actually open?
[16:25] <ddstreet> sorry, that's all for the last topic right?
[16:25] <ddstreet> no
[16:25] <ddstreet> trusty repo is closed
[16:26] <mapreri> yes, let's go ahead
[16:26] <ddstreet> for this clarification, the issue was that the sdbus-cpp package didn't exist at all in focal, so the upload went into the 'New' queue, instead of the 'Unapproved' queue
[16:27] <ddstreet> essentially, normal SRU uploads always wind up here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+queue?queue_state=1
[16:27] <mapreri> that's not weird at all, isn't it?
[16:27] <mapreri> it's the same for any kind of upload, also for SRU for non-existing packages
[16:27] <ddstreet> but a backport of a *new* package goes here https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+queue?queue_state=0
[16:28] <ddstreet> yeah, but non-existing packages are rarely (if ever?) SRUed
[16:28] <mapreri> every so often *shrugs*
[16:28] <ddstreet> yep
[16:28] <mapreri> I also did upload one, and the sru team didn't notice but handled stuff besides that one
[16:28] <mapreri> (like, an sru to multiple releases, some with that package, some without)
[16:28] <mapreri> which is saying, even the sru gets "confused" about it :D
[16:28] <ddstreet> the question from the sponsor was, shoudl the wiki have a statement (hint, really) for sponsors to check the 'New' queue if their upload doesn't appear in the 'Unapproved' queue
[16:29] <ddstreet> yep
[16:29] <mapreri> I don't think uploaders should care about this implementation detail, at all.
[16:29] <mapreri> they get an email on upload, that should be it
[16:29] <ddstreet> as a side note, when we approve an upload, the binaries get put into the 'New' queue and need our approval - so we actually have a 2-step approval process, first the source upload, then the binary packages
[16:30] <mapreri> at most, add it as a line on the KB "internal" page, surely not for the people contributing.
[16:30] <ddstreet> that's my feeling too, we shouldn't mention it in the wiki
[16:30] <ddstreet> if the sponsor isn't aware of it, the email to them should clear it up
[16:30] <ddstreet> ack the KB page does seem right for this detail
[16:30] <ddstreet> i'll update that page with the info
[16:31] <ddstreet> #action ddstreet update internal KB page with details about uploads going to 'New' instead of 'Unapproved' queue
[16:31] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet update internal KB page with details about uploads going to 'New' instead of 'Unapproved' queue
[16:31] <ddstreet> ok nothing else for discussion in the agenda
[16:31] <ddstreet> #topic AOB
[16:31] <ddstreet> anything else to bring up?
[16:31] <ddstreet> should we have another mtg in 2 weeks?
[16:32] <mapreri> yes pls
[16:32] <ddstreet> #action ddstreet schedule next meeting
[16:32] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet schedule next meeting
[16:33] <ddstreet> ok anything else?
[16:33] <ddstreet> let's wrap then!
[16:33] <ddstreet> #endmeeting
[16:33] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:33:31 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-12-01-16.03.moin.txt
[16:33] <ddstreet> thanks mapreri o/
[16:34] <mapreri> thank you.  enjoy! :D
[17:00] <teward> ddstreet: mapreri: I owe y'all apologies
[17:01] <teward> i've literally been chaotically busy
[17:01] <teward> but 2 weeks is right in the holiday week
[17:01] <teward> can we move it to 3 or wait until January for next meet?
[17:01] <teward> (all the vendors are calling today >.>)


[00:09] <jrib> jdong: where are you flying to?
[00:11] <jdong> Detroit, from Boston
[00:12] <Jack_Sparrow> Images of John Candy in the back of a rental truck with a Polka Band
[00:12] <jrib> ah, too far to go by train.  I love taking the train in the winter because I don't really have to worry about the weather
[00:19] <DrDerek> the troll is back as DrDerekLiveBot
[00:44] <rookeeeeeeeee> hello
[00:45] <rookeeeeeeeee> can i ask why i am banned?
[00:50] <rookeeeeeeeee> why am i being forwarded to #ubuntu-ops?
[00:51] <PriceChild> rookeeeeeeeee: Hey there, we'll get to you asap.
[00:53] <rookeeeeeeeee> i didnt know you couldnt idle
[00:53] <PriceChild> Never said you couldn't.
[00:53] <PriceChild> well, you can't, but you're not, you're waiting :)
[00:54] <rookeeeeeeeee> whats the wait for? ive got a cat waiting to be walked
[00:54] <PriceChild> rookeeeeeeeee: cats come before humans, go take care of him
[00:55] <rookeeeeeeeee> i dont want to idle
[00:55] <jdong> then come back at a later time when you can wait?
[00:55] <rookeeeeeeeee> what is this all about?
[00:55] <rookeeeeeeeee> is this some kind of alien abduction?
[00:56] <jdong> now how is asking that productive?
[00:57] <rookeeeeeeeee> its not, but nothing else i've said has been either.
[01:22] <rookeeeeeeeee> hello?
[01:24] <bazhang> rookeeeeeeeee, you were asked here to discuss something you said in channel #ubuntu
[01:24] <rookeeeeeeeee> what did i say
[01:24] <bazhang> you dont recall? something about some bots?
[01:25] <rookeeeeeeeee> dont recall at all
[01:25] <bazhang> irc.geekpanties.com? does that ring a bell?
[01:25] <rookeeeeeeeee> did i say dont go to geekpanties.com
[01:26] <bazhang> what about it? what is its purpose rookeeeeeeeee ?
[01:26] <rookeeeeeeeee> ?
[01:26] <rookeeeeeeeee> im sorry?
[01:27] <rookeeeeeeeee> are you there?
[01:31] <rookeeeeeeeee> bazhang
[01:32] <rookeeeeeeeee> abuse of ops
[01:32] <bazhang> rookeeeeeeeee, yes I am here
[01:32] <rookeeeeeeeee> please explain
[01:32] <bazhang> rookeeeeeeeee, you have no recollection of mentioning this website?
[01:33] <rookeeeeeeeee> yes i asked an op why i couldnt access it, the same op helped me access it.
[01:34] <rookeeeeeeeee> and even asked me what the site url was
[01:34] <rookeeeeeeeee> in the main chat window
[01:36] <bazhang> rookeeeeeeeee, and what is that site about ? care to enlighten us?
[01:36] <rookeeeeeeeee> ubuntu
[01:37] <bazhang> rookeeeeeeeee, care to clarify that a bit?
[01:37] <rookeeeeeeeee> ubuntu irc
[01:37] <rookeeeeeeeee> any further questions?
[01:51] <rookeeeeeeeee> well?
[01:51] <rookeeeeeeeee> I've been waiting here for nearly an hour
[01:51] <rookeeeeeeeee> over an hour
[01:54] <LjL> rookeeeeeeeee, hi
[01:54] <rookeeeeeeeee> hi
[01:55] <rookeeeeeeeee> ok whats the problem
[01:55] <LjL> rookeeeeeeeee: we're reviewing your banforward. i'm sorry it's taking long.
[01:55] <rookeeeeeeeee> ok
[01:55] <bazhang> rookeeeeeeeee, the operator who forwarded you here should be around shortly; is there a big hurry to get into #ubuntu ?
[01:55] <bazhang> ie the freenode one?
[01:57] <rookeeeeeeeee> i have to go to sleep soon
[01:58] <LjL> rookeeeeeeeee, i'm a bit worried with some of your behavior in #ubuntu
[01:58] <bazhang> rookeeeeeeeee, so shall we resolve this tomorrow then ?
[01:58] <rookeeeeeeeee> why is that LjL
[01:59] <LjL> well rookeeeeeeeee, you didn't always seem to understand that #ubuntu is strictly a support channel for ubuntu technical support issues
[01:59] <LjL> and not, for instance, a place to find buddies to help you in other contexts
[01:59] <rookeeeeeeeee> i come there to find ubuntu buddies
[01:59] <LjL> well rookeeeeeeeee, that's not the reason that channel exists
[01:59] <rookeeeeeeeee> .
[02:00] <bazhang> it is support only rookeeeeeeeee
[02:00] <rookeeeeeeeee> well im trying to find "ubuntu buddies" so they can support me
[02:00] <bazhang> you were asking about 'who will be my ubuntu buddy?' a day or two ago
[02:01] <LjL> rookeeeeeeeee, i'm afraid we can't help you with that, and neither can #ubuntu
[02:01] <rookeeeeeeeee> i got a resounding response
[02:01] <bazhang> yep
[02:02] <bazhang> to take it to #ubuntu-offtopic or somewhere else entirely
[02:02] <LjL> rookeeeeeeeee, also, something like "why do people use old versions of ubuntu?" is definitely not a support question
[02:03] <rookeeeeeeeee> it could be a support question, I could learn something from that that could enhance my ubuntu experience.
[02:03] <LjL> well, that sort of extremely indirect support questions, if you would like to call them such, is best discussed in places like #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:04] <bazhang> rookeeeeeeeee, it is not a support question. support = problems with your current install.
[02:04] <rookeeeeeeeee> ok
[02:04] <rookeeeeeeeee> understood
[02:04] <bazhang> rookeeeeeeeee, so you need to get some sleep correct?
[02:05] <rookeeeeeeeee> yes but are you done?
[02:05] <LjL> rookeeeeeeeee: well, i'd like when you have time to read our channel guidelines and other important bits of information
[02:05] <LjL> first
[02:05] <LjL> !etiquette > rookeeeeeeeee    (rookeeeeeeeee, see the private message from ubottu)
[02:06] <rookeeeeeeeee> ok, i will. will there be a test?
[02:07] <rookeeeeeeeee> im serious
[02:07] <LjL> rookeeeeeeeee: i trust you'll just read them and ensure you follow them
[02:07] <rookeeeeeeeee> ok
[02:07] <LjL> rookeeeeeeeee: so am i - no, there won't be a test
[02:07] <rookeeeeeeeee> there's no limit to the number of questions i can ask?
[02:08] <LjL> i just want you to tell us honestly when you've read it
[02:08] <LjL> rookeeeeeeeee, what do you mean now?
[02:08] <rookeeeeeeeee> as long as im not asking step-by-step questions that are explained in texts
[02:08] <LjL> rookeeeeeeeee: you mean in #ubuntu?
[02:09] <rookeeeeeeeee> yes
[02:09] <LjL> rookeeeeeeeee: well, certainly if you ask tons of questions that are easily answered by the manuals, people will eventually stop answering you
[02:09] <rookeeeeeeeee> ok
[02:09] <bazhang> rookeeeeeeeee, the ubuntu buddy type of questions? yes, there is a limit on that : Zero
[02:09] <LjL> rookeeeeeeeee: but there's certainly no theoretical limit on support questions you can ask!
[02:09] <LjL> yes, aside from those of course
[02:10] <rookeeeeeeeee> ok understood
[02:10] <LjL> rookeeeeeeeee: you see, the channel needs to be kept clean of noise
[02:10] <rookeeeeeeeee> yes
[02:10] <LjL> rookeeeeeeeee: it's busy enough with actual, important support questions alone
[02:10] <rookeeeeeeeee> yes
[02:11] <rookeeeeeeeee> yes i understood that before
[02:11] <bazhang> chat in #ubuntu-offtopic rookeeeeeeeee
[02:11] <LjL> rookeeeeeeeee: we even get people purposely disrupting the channel sometimes
[02:11] <rookeeeeeeeee> ok
[02:11] <bazhang> rookeeeeeeeee, if you have a doubt, then dont ask in #ubuntu
[02:11] <LjL> rookeeeeeeeee: even with automated programs that do that
[02:11] <rookeeeeeeeee> i imagine they dont last long
[02:12] <rookeeeeeeeee> well its moon and stars time
[02:12] <rookeeeeeeeee> can i access ubuntu tomorrow
[02:12] <LjL> i believe so
[02:13] <LjL> you might need to check back here if not
[02:13] <LjL> when you've read the guidelines and other things, just state that, and it'll be sorted.
[02:13] <rookeeeeeeeee> ok
[02:14] <rookeeeeeeeee> everything ubottu says?
[02:14] <LjL> yes, the things in !etiquette, they're mostly just little bits of information, but the most important are !coc and !guidelines, that contain links
[02:15] <rookeeeeeeeee> ok
[02:15] <rookeeeeeeeee> good night
[02:17] <LjL> good night!
[02:20] <bazhang> DrDerek, was that sorted out yet?
[02:24] <LjL> oh right DrDerek, i forgot entirely
[02:25] <LjL> rookeeeeeeeee could you please leave this channel now, as we have other business to deal with?
[02:29] <Pici> !idle | rookeeeeeeeee
[02:38] <bazhang> the stalker livebot?
[02:46]  * genii sips
[02:52] <DrDerek> bazhang - yeah, sorry, I was AFK, things are good I think now
[02:53] <DrDerek> but DrDerekLiveBot is not mine
[02:53] <DrDerek> if you see it trolling
[03:10]  * mneptok burns cheerily in the corner
[03:53]  * genii throws some Halon on mneptok
[03:59]  * mneptok has a Large Halon Collision
[04:06]  * nickrud hands mneptok a spell checker and a magnet, just to cover all the bases
[04:06]  * jrib slides home
[04:29] <genii> Man. So many weirdos here. I love it
[04:55] <genii> Man. I'm gonna need more aspirin. Some new users' issues are just so difficult to explain back to them sometimes
[05:05] <genii> Goodnight
[06:19] <stdin> Pici: have an example of the google API and recurring events?
[07:10] <ikonia> apologies for missing rookeeee eeeee please contact me if he shows up again and I'm not around
[12:42] <Seeker`> who is on the irc council now?
[12:43] <ikonia> you
[12:43] <ikonia> did you not know ?
[12:43] <Seeker`> nope
[12:44] <ikonia> you are,
[12:44] <Seeker`> not been online in a few days, just saw LjLs email about stepping down because more people have been added
[12:44] <Seeker`> and the CC logs are somewhat lacking
[12:44] <ikonia> nah, jussi01, Pici and boredandblogging are now the council
[12:44] <ikonia> with PriceChild and nalioth and elkbuntu
[12:46] <Seeker`> k
[12:46] <Seeker`> thanks
[13:32] <bazhang> ikonia, roookkeeeeeee^10 was around earlier; wanted to hear from you before letting him back in (if that is the course of action to take)
[13:33] <ikonia> not at the moment I want to find out a bit more about the channel / server he was referencing as it's not an "ubuntu support channel" as he claimed it's a network with 2 real users and 1000+ bots which look ripe for attack
[13:33] <bazhang> yeah saw that on the btlog
[13:33] <ikonia> apprantly it's supposed to be a secrect channel, therefore if he knows about it he knows what it is and it is not a support chanel
[13:34] <ikonia> there are clones of freenode channels on it with hundreds of bots in each, then a few real discussion channels with about 10 users discussing thing
[13:34] <bazhang> whoa
[13:35] <ikonia> it seems a good idea to talk to him about it before allowing him to be in #ubuntu as I don't know what it's all about, and according to the owner "it's a secrect channel that people shouldn't know about2
[13:35] <ikonia> hence the concern
[13:36] <bazhang> well he was going on and on about finding a 'ubuntu buddy' ; that alone is enough to keep him out imo (the persistent off-topicness)
[13:37] <ikonia> I'm not banning him - (although I take your point) I just want to know a little more about his involvment in this before giving him acess, I don't know if it's overkill, but it seems worth checking in my view
[13:37] <Pici> ikonia: The BT log for when he was removed for idling has the entire conversation when he was here earlier.
[13:37] <ikonia> Pici: got parto f the one from today
[13:37] <ikonia> part of
[13:37] <ikonia> I got the jist of what was going on
[13:38] <ikonia> I was however asleep, dissapointed to have missed him to find out more
[13:38] <bazhang> * [dongs] (n=lol@l212168.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp): jews  <--- seemed to have abusing/overriding the !ohmy earlier
[13:39] <ikonia> where was that
[13:40] <bazhang> about 8 hrs ago
[13:40] <bazhang> main channel #ubuntu
[13:40] <ikonia> it's been very quiet today, and some good discussion going on
[13:40] <ikonia> positive day
[13:41] <Pici> I had over a page of away hilights for when I was sleeping., thats usually not good
[13:41] <ikonia> Pici from 7:00am uk time until now, it's been good as gold
[13:42] <ikonia> the last person to op in there was me at 21:30 last night, so that is good
[14:08] <PriceChild> bazhang: wow is it already?
[14:08] <PriceChild> oh of course it is, gutsy *moves on*
[14:08] <Pici> PriceChild: So is Breezy.
[14:08] <bazhang> I think he can change to old releases repo if he wants to upgrade though PriceChild
[14:09] <PriceChild> Pici: shh.
[14:09]  * Pici wonders if everyone is lagged, or they just don't read what other people say and feel like repeating answers.
[14:10] <LjL> Pici: i wonder that often too
[14:43]  * genii puts on a fresh pot of coffee
[14:44] <Gary> milk and one sugar pls genii
[14:44] <LjL> genii why don't you put up a coffee company with myrtti, you'd probably save something on the mass production
[14:45]  * genii fixes Gary a strong coffee with organic milk and unrefined sugar
[14:45] <genii> LjL: Interesting idea....
[14:45]  * Gary gets caffine high and trolls #Ubuntu
[14:46] <bazhang> o.0
[14:46]  * Pici get high on ubuntu and trolls Gary
[14:46] <ikonia> ha
[14:46] <LjL> it's called "trolling" now?
[14:46] <Pici> We actually spent part of a session at UDS talking about Ubuntu Addiction.,
[14:47] <genii> Pici: Thats actually something they have meetings scheduled about???
[14:47] <Pici> genii: I think it was part of the round table discussion.
[14:47] <Pici> It was related to burnout.
[14:47] <genii> Ah
[14:48] <LjL> Pici: it's like you had spent part of a drug controlling table engaging in drug intake, isn't it?
[14:49] <Pici> LjL: Half of the people weren't participating, just looking at their laptops.
[14:49] <LjL> Pici: quod erat demonstrandum.
[14:59] <ikonia> sken's daily check in I see
[15:03] <bazhang> and daily check-out shortly thereafter
[15:04] <bazhang> @bansearch championsleague
[15:04] <ikonia> bazhang: I've stopped banning nicks apart from ones he uses on a regular basis as we'll fill the ban list
[15:05] <ikonia> just started removing him
[15:06] <bazhang> ikonia, so just remove? wont he just keep coming back? ie under same name?
[15:06] <ikonia> nah
[15:06] <bazhang> k
[15:06] <ikonia> once you remove him he knows he's busted and normally either goes away for a while or comes back with a new nick
[15:06] <bazhang> right
[15:06] <ikonia> I personally only ban the names I know he's used more than once
[15:06] <ikonia> that way it's a nice trap for him to get forwarded here
[15:07] <ikonia> eg: his client starts up with those nicks
[15:07] <ikonia> (I assume
[15:51] <hischild> i noticed the !de factoid only lists 3 versions of ubuntu but gives 4 channels to join. Ofcourse this isn't a serious issue, but a fix would be nice.
[15:51] <Pici> !de
[15:51] <LjL> !no de is <reply> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, und #edubuntu-de
[15:51] <Pici> !de =~ s/Kubuntu/Kubuntu, Xubuntu/
[15:52] <Pici> ..
[15:52] <LjL> Pici, /cs info #xubuntu-de
[15:52] <Pici> !de
[15:52] <hischild> now it's the other way aroudn ... lol
[15:52] <Tm_T> hahaha
[15:52] <Pici> !de =~ s/, Xubuntu//
[15:52] <Pici> !de
[15:53] <Pici> Okay then.
[15:53] <hischild> tnx Pici, hope it wasn't to much of a problem.
[15:53] <Tm_T> Pici and LjL: marvelous! <3
[15:53] <hischild> !helpersnack | Pici, LjL
[15:53] <LjL> :P
[15:53] <Pici> :)
[15:53]  * hischild waves you all a happy morning/afternoon/evening/goodnight (make your choice) and the best of luck and all that.
[16:25] <powertool08> Is anyone here able to reset my nickserv password?
[16:25] <Seeker`> powertool08: #freenode
[16:25] <powertool08> Seeker`: thanks
[16:26] <bazhang> [c0re] been unbanned? or just unintentionally ban evading
[16:27] <Pici> check the bt?
[16:27] <bazhang> yep he is still banned
[16:27] <bazhang> and ban evading now, decided his time is up and he has rejoined
[16:28] <[c0re]> hi bazhang
 bazhang, i came here after 70 hours
[16:28] <[c0re]> yes
[16:28] <[c0re]> more than 70 hours later
[16:28] <bazhang> [c0re], thats not the way it works
[16:29] <[c0re]> then which way its works?
[16:29] <bazhang> you get unbanned first, then rejoin
[16:29] <bazhang> not ban evade when you decide it is time to rejoin
[16:30] <[c0re]> its was in autojoin that time.
[16:31] <bazhang> [c0re], you said you had disabled that
[16:31] <[c0re]> yes
[16:31] <[c0re]> but i joined #ubuntu by self this time....
[16:31] <bazhang> you rejoined this time, but you are still banned there
[16:32] <[c0re]> coz you asked me to read the TOS and i did
[16:34] <[c0re]> then i joined that channel
[16:34] <bazhang> [c0re], you ban-evaded again today.
[16:35] <[c0re]> lol why?
[16:37] <bazhang> Pici, care to make a ruling here? ikonia you have a view?
[16:39] <Pici> [c0re]: Your ban was set on your IP address, your IP address changed. We did not lift the ban. That is why bazhang invited you here.
[16:40] <Pici> [c0re]: Do you understand?
[17:16] <bazhang> [c0re], you still here? you understand how unilaterally deciding it is time to rejoin and in the process ban-evading is not the way to go about this?
[17:26] <bazhang> [c0re], if you do not wish to discuss this, then please part the channel thanks.
[17:30] <bazhang> hischild, hi
[17:30] <hischild> bazhang, hello
[17:31] <hischild> I have another question about factoids ... the !webmin factoid poins to the !ebox factoid, however from what i've seen so far ebox is broken on intrepid.
[17:31] <LjjjL> hischild: sadly true
[17:31] <LjjjL> hischild: but then webmin isn't in the repositories to begin with
[17:32] <hischild> LjjjL, that's true, but i'm still looking for a web based panel to administrate with. I thought ebox would be the solution, and for 8.04 it appears to be good. However, since i run only 8.10 on my laptop and pc, it's kind of hard getting it all to work.
[17:32] <hischild> Anyway, wouldn't it be better to make a note of it not being supported in intrepid so far?
[17:32] <LjjjL> hischild, i added that note to the wiki page linked by ubotu
[17:33] <LjjjL> hischild: i thought i wouldn't crowd the factoid itself
[17:33] <hischild> LjjjL, oh? hmm, must've missed it...
[17:33] <LjjjL> hischild: unless someone else has removed it...
[17:33] <LjjjL> !ebox
[17:33] <LjjjL> no it's there
[17:33] <hischild> i believe you, i must've missed it.
[17:33] <hischild> I just have loads of time over, now i that i've quit gaming.
[17:34] <LjjjL> hischild: i don't personally have any alternatives to suggest
[17:34] <LjjjL> hischild: but look at my notice on the wiki, the bug linked should have workarounds for the package in intrepid
[17:35] <hischild> I'll take a look, it's just that it caught my eye looking at it. Even more so, because i'm doing some research on what you can do with ubuntu as in terms of administration on its system
[17:35] <hischild> By the looks it won't be fixed in intrepid?
[17:36] <LjjjL> hischild: i don't honestly know, could end up in backports if nothing else
[17:36] <hischild> LjjjL, Looking a bit further, this page also shows up --> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/ebox.html
[17:37] <hischild> since it's not a community doc, i'm wondering how it ended up there. As it's broken, it ought not even to exist right?
[17:38]  * LjjjL raises hands
[17:39] <hischild> haha ok. So who should i contact about that?
[17:40] <LjjjL> hischild: #ubuntu-doc for the documentation i guess
[17:41] <LjjjL> hischild: as for the package itself being broken, well the bug report is there
[17:41] <hischild> LjjjL, yeah, i guess i can't do much there. I'll make a note to that channel. Thnx for confirming and the help.
[17:43]  * genii puts on more coffee
[17:43] <hischild> why coffee ... red bull or V works better.
[17:43] <Tm_T> sure?
[17:44] <Nafallo> no
[17:44] <hischild> does for me
[17:44] <hischild> coffee makes me wanna sleep
[17:44] <Tm_T> !worksforme | hischild
[17:44] <bazhang> heh
[17:44] <hischild> hmmmm
[17:44] <bazhang> !idle > [c0re]
[17:44] <hischild> fine i won't recommend you drink as much as me .... that has to be VERY unhealthy for the average person
[17:45] <LjjjL> bazhang meh, just kick, he's been idle forever
[17:45] <bazhang> LjjjL, if only
[17:45] <Flannel> LjjjL: some of us can't
[17:45] <Flannel> Morning all, by the way
[17:45]  * bazhang returns to sweeping the dojo floor
[17:45] <hischild> good morning Flannel
[17:45] <hischild> i guess i should leave this channel again ...
[17:46]  * hischild waves you all a happy morning/afternoon/evening/goodnight (make your choice) and the best of luck and all that.
[17:46] <LjjjL> same, see you
[17:46] <hischild> tnx
[17:54] <genii> Back to /away  for me, work to catch up on
[18:01] <bazhang> :/
[18:06] <pleia2> jpds: your supybot on my server has been eating my entire cpu for the past 2 hours, can you take a look?
[18:07] <Pici> nomnom
[18:09] <bazhang> lenswipe said it is fixed and now it broken again?
[18:12] <Flannel> He's so far ignored a few things Ive said, so I stopped paying attention to him
[18:13] <ikonia> I've had problems iwth him in the past
[18:13] <ikonia> he sent me rude pm's when I proved him wrong about what he was doing
[18:13] <bazhang> his problems keep morphing as well
[18:14] <ikonia> yes, I've got a suspicioun about him in general
[18:14] <Flannel> That could just as easily be PEBKAC or malice
[18:14] <ikonia> he's on my list of people to watch
[18:26] <genii-around> Was there just some hiccup on freenode?
[18:27] <ikonia>  not that I see
[18:28] <Pici> Me either
[18:28] <genii-around> OK
[18:28]  * genii-around blames quassel then
[18:30] <jpds> pleia2: Woah...
[18:32] <pleia2> that's what I said :)
[18:33] <jpds> Can't seem to be able to kill it from shell or IRC.
[18:37] <ikonia> @mark
[18:37] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu Formode asking about hackintosh help/support
[18:38]  * pleia2 pats ubot5
[18:43]  * Pici has no idea what chairman wants.
[18:44] <Flannel> He wants to install debian on ubuntu!
[18:44] <Pici> Of course!
[18:44] <Flannel> Theres a possibility that he wants to install a deb, but... that's slim to none
[18:44] <Pici> Thats what he said, but is that what he wants?
[18:44] <Flannel> I think so.
[18:44] <Flannel> "Anyone know how to get debian OS"
[18:45] <Flannel> and then he went to their stie, but doesn't know what to download,etc.
[18:49] <bazhang> apw, how may we help you
[18:50] <apw> hmm, #ubuntu-irc may be more appropriate, was wondering who to ask about ubottu and her not being in channels she used to frequenting
[18:51] <jpds> apw: Which ones?
[18:51] <apw> #ubuntu-kernel was the one i noticed
[18:51] <Pici> hm
 go die ... we are Upstream <--from a PM
[18:56] <Flannel> Is that like borg?
[18:56] <Flannel> Or maybe it's the royal we
[18:57] <ikonia> I've sen that IP again
[18:57] <ikonia> before I mean
[18:58] <bazhang> * [TVdee] (n=TVdee@<IP_ADDRESS>): TVdee
[18:58] <Flannel> not in the BT
[18:58] <ikonia> nope checed, but I've seen that IP
[18:58] <ikonia> checked evne
[18:58] <ikonia> even
[18:59] <Nafallo> ikonia: nordic mobile, most probably not static :-)
[19:00] <ikonia> 91.149.44 certainly
[19:00] <ikonia> <IP_ADDRESS> almost certainly, but your probably right
[19:00] <ikonia> the fact that I've noticed it before suggests it may not be best indication though
[19:03] <Nafallo> true enough
[19:03] <ikonia> leksak is the same guy ?
[19:03] <bazhang> * [LekkSak] (n=LekkSak@ip-231-200-241-92.dialup.nmt.net): LekkSak
[19:03] <ikonia> "upstream is now upstset"
 ikonia: Upstream is now upset
[19:03] <bazhang> yep same guy
[19:05]  * genii sips experimentally
[19:06] <Flannel> ubottu: tell Mud about away
[19:12] <bazhang> homemadejam in +1
[19:12] <Pici> yay, another ubuntu blog
[19:14] <ikonia> he's been warnged yesterday about that
[19:14] <LjL> i think regeya is being a fool
[19:14] <ikonia> I'm putting a forward on him
[19:14] <LjL> (as in, more of a fool than the fool being mocked)
[19:15] <bazhang> yep
[19:15] <bazhang> to where?
[19:16] <ikonia> here
[19:17] <bazhang> oh
[19:28] <Pici> LjL: Do you have the ability to have ubottu join new channels?
[19:32] <Pici> ubottu: join #ubuntu-kernel
[19:32] <Pici> meh
[19:34] <genii> Gah. Work. /away
[19:50] <nalioth> Pici: are we having bot issues?
[19:51] <Pici> nalioth: apw asked for the bot to be in #ubuntu-kernel, but I'm not sure if it was ever there. I don't idle there.
[19:53] <nalioth> do they just need a bot?
[19:53] <nalioth> we try to spread the load on them, you know
[19:54] <nalioth> if everyone asks for ubottu, it'll crash
[19:54] <Pici> nalioth: I do, I just didn't know which bot they had before. Anyway, the channel doesn't look like it gets much traffic.
[19:56] <nalioth> Pici: well, they've got ubot3 now
[19:57] <Pici> nalioth: Okay :)
[20:05] <Jack_Sparrow> Doh
[20:06] <Pici> Jack_Sparrow: At least you had something technical in your clipboard
[20:07] <Jack_Sparrow> yea
[20:08] <Jack_Sparrow> Just feel stupid..   Pretending ignorance gains you no sympathy
[22:14] <Jared> ... ya, because apparently your a mind reader and can tell if i was this guy limmy or not, correct?
[22:14] <jrib> Jared: must be
[22:14] <Jared> ya..
[22:14] <LjL> Jared: you're not fooling anyone, go away
[22:14] <Jared> wow. reminds me of the windows help team. lol good job guys!
[22:15] <LjL> thanks
[22:15] <LjL> bye
[22:15] <Jared> your most welcome.
[22:15] <Jared> later.
[22:15] <LjL> excuse the harshness but i can't stand them when they're like this.
[22:18] <LjL> @mark jared
[23:00] <LjL> jrib: oh christ he thought he didn't have to include the "extension" in the command
[23:01] <LjL> he knows an ln syntax i'd never dreamt existed and he thinks you can skip extensions :o
[23:03] <jrib> LjL: you're learning so much today
[23:03] <jrib> I have no idea what that means either
[23:06] <LjL> jrib: i do think i know what he meant now, i'd be curious to reproduce it
[23:12] <LjL> jrib: http://opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xbd/termios.html#tag_008_001_006
[23:14] <jrib> LjL: thanks
[23:19] <hischild> wanna warn about invis, seems rather reluctant to switch channels.
[23:20] <LjL> yeah, thanks
[23:20] <hischild> LjL, thanks.


[12:11] <robertf> Hello
[12:12] <robertf> When Natty iso image will be available?
[13:14] <alourie> good day