[01:00] <erik-k> Hello... I am experiencing an "epidemic" in new Ubuntu-20.04 installs which inexplicably fail to renew their dhcp leases. I can find some references to old bug reports which are allegedly long fixed [ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/isc-dhcp/+bug/1551351 e.g. ].
[01:02] <erik-k> What I know: The dhcpd never gets a renewal request. The only clue I have is in the client logs,
[01:02] <erik-k> Feb 22 16:23:02 echs NetworkManager[856]: <error> [1614039782.6553] dhcp4 (enp61s0): error -113 dispatching events
[01:03] <sarnold> EHOSTUNREACH 113 No route to host
[01:03] <sarnold> I can't promise it's related but it seems likely
[01:09] <erik-k> Um... is there some other dhclient or equivalent service I'm supposed to be running that's somehow not being started?
[01:11] <erik-k> No route doesn't make sense... I mean, dhcp is a level 2 protocol, you can't require IP in order to stand up your IP interface after all.
[01:23] <sarnold> but the dhcp renewal will happen via usual tcp; normally systemd-networkd or networkmanager manages the dhcp client entirely for you
[01:24] <erik-k> Hmmm... hmmmmmm... *checks firewall configuration*
[01:26] <erik-k> Nope, one of the problem machines doesn't even have it setup (probably because I got derailed by the interface uptime issue)
[01:36] <erik-k> I will keep poking.
[01:36] <erik-k> G2G.
[02:25] <LordCyrus> Anybody alive? :D
[02:26] <sarnold> shhhh I don't want to go to school today
[02:34] <FaTaL_gg> I have an ubuntu 20.04 install that is working well for the most part, but I have an issue where once a month it locks up, I have to reboot it, and boot partition has errors and lost chains etc, its an ssd, no other issues ever occur on any other partition. What can I do to troubleshoot what is causing the lockups and errors on boot.... shouldn't boot be stable since its not being written to?
[02:36] <sarnold> FaTaL_gg: wild guesses: (a) try memtest86 or memtest86+ to look for memory errors (b) perhaps you've got flaky / poor / insufficient power, how much power supply do you have and how much power draw do you expect? (c) perhaps you've got flaky cables / connectors between the mobo and drive?
[02:37] <sarnold> once in a while updates will kill the desktop, afaik no one's sorted that one out, and if you wind up yanking the power to deal with it, you might just have fileysstem problems too
[02:38] <FaTaL_gg> sarnold; any one of those things could matter so i'll check. It's all high end equipment, in a cool room, but sure! However, why is it only hosing /dev/sda1 (aka boot)? I would expect files in /home /var and elsewhere to get trashed
[02:39] <sarnold> hmm, no ideas there :/
[02:39] <sarnold> how's smartctl look?
[02:43] <FaTaL_gg> no errors logged
[02:44] <sarnold> well, that's good, I guess :)
[02:45] <FaTaL_gg> hahah indeed
[02:47] <FaTaL_gg> ran a short test, same, no errors. I will do an extended one too. I would love to solve this, its such an annoyance
[02:48] <leftyfb> FaTaL_gg: I would also look into possible filesystem corruption and/or bad drive (no matter how new)
[02:50] <FaTaL_gg> Unexpect_Power_Loss_Ct = 110 .... is this since life of power up? what determines unexpected power loss? It's an SSD, there are no bad blocks or other odd errrors. running at 22/31c min/max
[02:57] <sarnold> interesting, I've got two drives that report inexpected power loss events as well -- currently both say 21, which feels much higher than I would expect
[02:58] <FaTaL_gg> right?
[02:59] <FaTaL_gg> but not sure what triggers unexpected... that could be us hard resetting, real power loss, or a power loss during any read or write?
[03:03] <sarnold> I'm not sure 21 is enough to be described by reboots, but *maybe*..
[03:08] <FaTaL_gg> for mine that is 3 a month as an average, and that could be true in the early 2 years, but ever since I went to 20.04 I've not been rebooting much
[03:36] <JustLandedOnMars> hi
[03:37] <JustLandedOnMars> they say that specs for sata HDD supports hotplug
[03:37] <JustLandedOnMars> but it also has to be supported by OS
[03:37] <JustLandedOnMars> is ubuntu supports sata HDD hotplug ?
[03:38] <sarnold> it really should but I haven't been brave enough to yank any of mine yet. (I've also not had a need, yet, they've kept running fine, so no need to replace any)
[04:02] <Hash> So what's the properly way to do automatic startup scripts when system reboots
[04:03] <Hash> Like, icecast2 starts fine as a service I think. But ezstream is a client program which I run as a user after logging in to stream out stuff. (on the same vps)
[04:03] <sarnold> best is to write systemd service files for the service, those are most flexible and easiest to enable / disable, etc
[04:03] <Hash> So, how can I make my ezstream bash script autolaod after system reboot
[04:03] <Hash> hmm I see
[04:05] <sarnold> there's also systemd user unit files; that's less popular for user-controlled things but should work
[04:06] <sarnold> time for me to run, have fun Hash :)
[04:06] <Hash> Good evening!
[04:06] <Hash> :)
[06:09] <blaher34512> hello I can't suddenly can't login to linux. After the splashscreen I get a black screen with a white cursor. When I try ctrl alt f1 it briefly flashes the terminal login prompt
[06:13] <rory> blaher34512, if you reboot and hold Shift while the computer is booting, you will get to the Ubuntu boot menu (GRUB) from there you can choose an older kernel version to boot from that should work
[06:14] <rory> blaher34512, boot from that older version, run "apt update" and "apt upgrade" and reboot again back into the latest version, check if problem persists
[06:15] <blaher34512> tried loading a different kernel version it didn't work. Tried bootrepair and fsck and it didn't fix it
[06:16] <blaher34512> I can access the files through live usb so I was wondering if there was anything I could try out
[06:16] <blaher34512> windows and usb loads fine though
[06:19] <rory> what Ubuntu version blaher34512 ?
[06:19] <rory> e.g. 20.04
[06:20] <blaher34512> Ubuntu 18.04 LM 19.1
[06:25] <oerheks> LM.. oh dear, mint
[06:25] <oerheks> find the mint channel ? we do not support forks ..
[06:26] <blaher34512> the lm people said they don't know I was just looking for some generic suggestions because I don't think it is an lm specific problem
[06:53] <rory> blaher34512, it's Linux Mint and unsupported here, but LM uses LightDM as well so these steps should still work https://askubuntu.com/a/554404/62969
[06:53] <rory> blaher34512, but I didn't tell you that because once someone admits to not using ubuntu we're supposed to send them away
[06:54] <rory> > Before performing above steps, make sure you have an active internet connection. -< this is not optional
[06:55] <rory> blaher34512, tell LM support channel you are planning to follow the steps in that link.
[07:21] <guiverc> blaher34512, Ubuntu and flavors of Ubuntu are run-time adjustment free.. Mint uses runtime adjustments so they can use foreign (ubuntu) packages thus anything video related esp. is different; so you should be asking where adjustments are known & catered for
[08:21] <Metamorphosis> hello, a new version of the opensource game 0AD has been released. I was wondering if it will be updated in Ubuntu 20.04? Or I should use unofficial repos to install it?
[08:34] <ThinkT510> Metamorphosis: if it is in universe then it is unlikely to get an update
[08:54] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/0ad
[08:54] <oerheks> 024b ?
[08:54] <oerheks> Metamorphosis, ^^
[08:54] <rory> 0 A.D. (pronounced “zero-ey-dee”) -> well that just ADDS confusion
[09:01] <adam4567> So, apt list --upgradeable   lists 10 or 12 packages, amongst which is
[09:01] <adam4567> dirmngr/bionic-updates 2.2.4-1ubuntu1.4 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.2.4-1ubuntu1.3]
[09:01] <adam4567>
[09:01] <adam4567> Should I sudo apt upgrade, and then, sudo apt dist-upgrade ?
[09:02] <oerheks> no, use dist-upgrade directly
[09:02] <oerheks> ( that is wat i always run, to avoid packages held back)
[09:02] <adam4567> I'm worried it'll upgrade 18.04 to 20 something, and break everything
[09:03] <oerheks> no, that would be release-upgrade tool, no worries
[09:03] <oerheks> !distupgrade
[09:03] <adam4567> OK. I'll give it a go. Thought I'd target just the dirmngr
[09:03] <rory> It's pretty obvious when it wants to do a version upgrade, you'd see hundreds of packages
[09:04] <oerheks> also, the -d option is handy in such occasion, -d = dry run
[09:04] <adam4567> it seems to be most gpg stuff. But its a better File Manager I'm interested in.
[09:05] <adam4567> OK. Thank. -d sounds good.
[09:08] <adam4567> Worked perfectly. Thank you very much :)
[09:08] <oerheks> have fun!
[11:08] <seanh> Anyone got any tips on what I can do if my computer freezes during boot?
[11:08] <seanh> Ubuntu 20.04 is just freezing on the screen with the Ubuntu logo and spinner
[11:08] <seanh> The spinner is frozen too
[11:08] <seanh> Pressing Esc (to get to the logs) doesn't do anything, nor does Ctrl+Alt+Del
[11:09] <seanh> This used to happen occasionally but if I powered it off and tried again, it'd boot successfully after a few tries
[11:09] <seanh> Lately though it's freezing on every single boot
[11:09] <ThinkT510> tried booting an earlier kernel?
[11:15] <seanh> ThinkT510: No, good idea, I'm gonna try that...
[11:21] <seanh> 5.8.0-43-generic is the most recent kernel (the one that's freezing on every boot) in my grub
[11:21] <seanh> The previous one is 5.8.0-41, I'll try that
[11:23] <Jeppe> Hi, when attempting to turn off my Intel Nuc, some times it gets stuck and I'm seeing a bunch of null-characters in my syslog. Can anyone be of assistance?
[11:24] <seanh> So 5.8.0-41 isn't frozen in quite the same way -- the spinner is still spinning. But it's spinning forever. If I press Esc it does go to the logs, and I can see that it seems to be stuck at "(n of 3) A start job is running for..."
[11:26] <seanh> Screenshot: https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZfEaLwQeHztVjNfe9
[11:28] <seanh> If I do Ctrl+Alt+Del it seems to try to reboot (a whole bunch of log messages get printed) but then the reboot seems to get stuck on "(n of 6) A start/stop job is running for..."
[11:30] <ThinkT510> can you see what it is stuck on? what comes after the "for..."?
[11:32] <ThinkT510> Jeppe: how are you turning off the nic?
[11:33] <seanh> I tried booting 5.8.0-41 three times. Got the above behavior twice. The third time was slightly different: it seemed to try to run a filesystem check and *that* got stuck. And pressing Esc shows this: https://photos.app.goo.gl/LyFUtrkbrWTKNfTZ8
[11:35] <ThinkT510> seanh: how old is the drive you are booting from?
[11:35] <seanh> ThinkT510: That "A start job is running for..." log message cycles through three different start jobs that're seemingly running forever. The last time I tried it was Network Name Resolution, Network Time Synchronization, and Load AppArmor profiles. But I'm not sure that it's the same ones that get stuck each time I try to boot
[11:35] <seanh> ThinkT510: It's an SSD, maybe three or four years old
[11:36] <seanh> ThinkT510: I ran SMART on the drive yesterday (when I could still boot) and it reported no errors
[11:38] <seanh> Just tried booting 5.8.0-41 again, it's trying to check the disk again. Says "Checking disks: 0% complete" and is stuck there. This time it's completely frozen: pressing Esc doesn't do anything. (Last time it got stuck on checking disks but I could press Esc to get to the logs)
[11:38] <ThinkT510> Jeppe: best to keep it in channel please, more people can see and help
[11:38] <seanh> Ctrl+Alt+Del does nothing this time. It's completely frozen
[11:39] <ThinkT510> seanh: when's the last time you checked the ram?
[11:40] <seanh> Some times when I boot it up my USB keyboard isn't working when I get to the GRUB menu. Unplugging and re-plugging the keyboard fixes it. (Could be unrelated)
[11:40] <seanh> ThinkT510: I ran memtest overnight last night, no errors
[11:41] <seanh> I'm gonna try the next older kernel in my grub: 5.4.0-39
[11:42] <seanh> Ok, 5.4.0-39 just booted successfully. Coincidence? I'm gonna try rebooting into 5.4.0-39 repeatedly, try to see if it's reliable
[11:42] <ThinkT510> seanh: if 5.4 boots fine then you might want to pin it before you get more kernel updates
[11:42] <seanh> Yeah
[11:43] <seanh> Let me give it a few tries and see if it seems to boot into 5.4 reliably
[11:43] <ThinkT510> I think by default ubuntu keeps the 3 most recent kernels and removes any older ones
[11:44] <seanh> Yeah so I could end up with no working kernels left if they all get removed, thanks for the tip
[11:45] <ThinkT510> ifyou don't want to pin a 5.4 you could always just remove the oldest 5.8 before doing any kernel updates
[11:46] <seanh> If I end up at the grub command line, is there a way to get back to the list-of-kernels grub menu?
[11:48] <kushal> I am trying to enable systemd-timesyncd on Ubuntu Focal, but after every reboot, the service is still staying dead. Any tips what can be wrong? If I start the service manually, it just works.
[11:48] <ThinkT510> if you are at the grub rescue prompt I think you'll need to tell it to reboot. not sure if you can get back to the menu any other way
[11:54] <seanh> ThinkT510: Thanks for your suggestion. I just booted the 5.4.0-39 kernel ten times in a row and it worked every time (I wanted to test thoroughly because this computer has been occasionally freezing on boot for a while, it was only this morning that it started freezing on boot every time). So I think your suggestion to use an older kernel has fixed my boot problem
[11:55] <seanh> I guess it's always worth trying *all* the old kernels that you have. For me 5.8.0-43 and 5.8.0-41 both had the same problem, but 5.4.0-59 worked
[11:55] <seanh> Ok, now I need to figure out how to pin to the 5.4 kernel
[11:56] <ThinkT510> seanh: 5.4 will remain supported throughout 20.04 lifetime so you should be good to stick with it
[11:56] <ThinkT510> !pinning | seanh
[11:56] <seanh> ThinkT510: That is very good to hear
[12:00] <ThinkT510> the lts releases should have several kernel choice due to hwe. the basic idea is to enable newer hardware support and more up to date drivers. I think a new hwe kernel gets released for an lts after each regular ubuntu release. not sure which one 21.04 uses (maybe 5.10?)
[12:00] <ThinkT510> !hwe
[12:03] <seanh> I'm not sure how to change my Ubuntu to boot from 5.4 by default and pin/hold it there, from a reading of the PinningHowto. I need a friendlier guide. I'll try googling it.
[12:04] <seanh> https://askubuntu.com/questions/999529/pin-kernel-version <- Says I should run `sudo apt-mark hold linux-image-5.4... linux-headers-5.4...`
[12:08] <seanh> For the kernels there seems to be a different package for each kernel version.
[12:08] <seanh> `linux-image-5.8.0-41-generic`, `linux-image-5.8.0-43-generic`, etc
[12:09] <seanh> So it seems I don't want to pin a particular package to a particular version, since each version of linux seems to have its own package
[12:10] <seanh> Instead I want to tell it to keep the 5.4 kernel package(s) (don't uninstall them) and also don't install any newer kernel packages
[12:11] <ThinkT510> !info linux-image-generic focal
[12:12] <seanh> Seems to be multiple packages per kernel version too: `linux-headers-5.4.0-59`, `linux-headers-5.4.0-59-generic`, `linux-image-5.4.0-59-generic`, `linux-modules-5.4.0-59-generic`
[12:13] <seanh> ThinkT510: So I just need to force/pin the version of `linux-image-generic` and that should handle it all?
[12:13] <seanh> I actually don't have `linux-image-generic` installed, I have `linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04`
[12:14] <ThinkT510> seanh: I'm not sure sorry. from that output from ubottu it looks like that is for riskv64
[12:14] <ThinkT510> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04 focal
[12:15] <Jeppe> ThinkT510: Sorry, I missed your message. You're right!
[12:15] <Jeppe> I'm turning it off by pressing the power-button once. This works in 99% of the cases, but the last 1% I can trigger this kernel-crash thing, which ends with a bunch of ^@ characters.
[12:15] <ThinkT510> hmm, that appears to point to 5.8
[12:15] <seanh> Yeah, I don't know how to do this: pin to an old kernel. I'll keep trying to google it...
[12:17] <seanh> Based on this https://askubuntu.com/questions/999529/pin-kernel-version I think I could run `sudo apt-mark hold linux-image-4.13.0-26-generic linux-headers-4.13.0-26-generic` (replacing the version numbers with the ones that I want). And I think I could also boot from the 5.4 kernel and then remove all the 5.8 kernel packages to get rid of them
[12:27] <kushal> Can anyone please help me with the systemd-timesyncd issue on 20.04?
[12:30] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:30] <Jeppe> What's the preferred way to paste logs etc. here?
[12:31] <marcoagpinto> BluesKaj: Hello
[12:31] <ThinkT510> !paste | Jeppe
[12:31] <BluesKaj> hi marcoagpinto
[12:36] <oerheks> kushal, explain what issue?
[12:37] <kushal> oerheks, using systemd-timesyncd on Ubuntu 20.04, the service is enabled, no ntp installed, but after restart the service is not starting by default. no mention in boot log. if I start the service manually, it just works.
[12:38] <kushal> but, can not persist between reboots.
[12:38] <oerheks> oke, you did something like; sudo systemctl start systemd-timesyncd.service
[12:38] <oerheks> ??
[12:39] <kushal> that starts the service properly.
[12:39] <oerheks> sudo systemctl enable systemd-timesyncd.service  # should make it start on boot , stop,start, enable, disable, mask, unmask
[12:39] <kushal> ^^ yes, I have it enabled.
[12:40] <kushal> oerheks, https://paste.debian.net/1186597/
[12:44] <oerheks> kushal, is chronyd running by any chance? systemctl status chronyd
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> see also 'stacer' to easy manage systemd services GUI
[12:45] <kushal> oerheks, nope.
[12:45] <kushal> lotuspsychje, this is a service
[12:46] <kushal> oerheks, the package chronyd is also not installed
[12:47] <oerheks> no clue there, if enabled, it should start on boot ..
[12:48] <kushal> yup, that is why I am crying over this for more than 2 hours now
[12:48] <kushal> or actually 3 hours
[12:49] <oerheks> Maybe you want to write it on askubuntu, much larger audience..
[12:50] <oerheks> i've no clue as it works for me .. or maybe someone else has a thought?
[12:51] <kushal> oerheks, thank you for the help.
[12:51] <kushal> at least now I know that I am not crazy :)
[12:52] <kushal> was feeling really stupid
[12:52] <oerheks> no, you have a valid issue
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> !info stacer
[12:53] <oerheks> no ntp installed, nor chrony..
[12:55] <oerheks> maybe it is vagrant specific?
[13:04] <revmoo> Hi I have had 3 different colo servers with 20.04 freshly installed have issues dropping off the network. It sounds like there might have been a issue with the Intel nic drivers / firmware, but I have had my colo upgrade to the latest kernel and we're still having issues. This is three totally different servers. Are you guys aware of any ongoing problems in 20.04 with the networking system?
[13:05] <revmoo> two were dell poweredge and the third is a generic ASrock server board
[13:05] <revmoo> the only commonality between these 3 machines has been (a) 20.04 and (b) Intel NICs
[13:10] <kushal> oerheks, maybe
[13:12] <gabrielc> Hi. Does anyone have audio issues when running 'nmcli connection up NETNAME' and when running 'nmcli radio wifi on'? On Ubuntu 20.04.2 //
[13:20] <jil> hello
[13:20] <jil> Is there android emulator for linux ?
[13:21] <oerheks> jil, yes, non of them are perfect. see anbox, for example
[13:22] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/anbox
[13:25] <lotuspsychje> jil: or virtualbox androidx86
[13:26] <Jeppe> I'm getting a proxy-error whenever I try to paste code on https://paste.ubuntu.com/ - even when I short it to 61 lines
[13:26] <lotuspsychje> revmoo: try #ubuntu-server if you like for likeminded volunteers
[13:26] <revmoo> k
[13:26] <oerheks> Jeppe, any plugin like adblocker?
[13:29] <Jeppe> Tried disabling, and it still occurs. When it "succeeds", it shows that there is an error with the pastebin-software.
[13:29] <Jeppe> Oh, it failed when expiry set to "A week", but succeeded now.
[13:31] <Jeppe> So I'm seeing this "crash" with null-characters in /var/log/syslog in like <1% of shutdowns.
[13:31] <Jeppe> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZfDsThJKWd/
[13:31] <Jeppe> On the next boot, it also reports: "0x41: Dirty bit is set. Fs was not properly unmounted and some data may be corrupt."
[13:34] <jil> thank you oerheks
[13:35] <Jeppe> (I realize now that the null-characters are not present in the paste, but they occur just before "Feb 22 17:02:07 jeppe systemd-modules-load[244]: Inserted module 'lp'")
[14:19] <TJ-> Jeppe: do those NULLs appear as runs of ^@^@^@^@^@ when viewing logs
[14:20] <Jeppe> Yes, exactly.
[14:25] <Jeppe> TJ-: The NULLs and "0x41: Dirty bit is set. Fs was not properly unmounted and some data may be corrupt." suggests something crashed, right? Do you know where I should look for information about that?
[14:26] <TJ-> Jeppe: well, obvious place would be end of the previous boot log "journalctl -b -1 -n 100" for last 100 lines of last boot (-1)
[14:26] <TJ-> Jeppe: sounds like the file-system isn't being unmounted for some reason
[14:32] <Jeppe> TJ-: It shows "Power key pressed." and then the "fatal IO error 11 (...) on X server" and a few daemons shutting down. Could it be the X-server?
[14:40] <Jeppe> I found another syslog that shows the NULLs and dirty-bit, but without the fatal X-server error. This one shows e.g. "Failed: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.resolve1.NoSuchLink: Link 4 not known" instead.
[14:51] <xheimlich> this is going to sound comically vague. When I set up this computer a while ago I did ~something~ (I don't think it was a simple symlink) to set up emacs so it always ran on the terminal.
[14:52] <xheimlich> What was it? Is there an apt package that only brings emacs-nox?
[14:56] <oerheks> !info emacs-snapshot-nox
[14:57] <xheimlich> anyway, what I need is to get GUI emacs now.
[14:58] <xheimlich> all autocompletions for "emacs" seem to run the terminal version
[14:58] <oerheks> there is a snap https://snapcraft.io/install/emacs/ubuntu
[15:00] <xheimlich> Sublime Text has been way too crashy lately, and mysteriously so. It just disappears. Granted, while memory intensive ML stuff runs.
[15:01] <xheimlich> I used emacs for my dissertation when I had a rickety laptop that had matlab but wouldn't run X.
[15:11] <ash__> hi everyone! May I know what does this log mean? "iommu ivhd0: AMD-Vi: Event logged [INVALID_DEVICE_REQUEST device=00:00.0 pasid=0x00000 address=0xfffffffdf8000000 flags=0x0a00]"
[15:12] <ash__> I am using hp envy laptop (amd ryzen 5) and ubuntu 20.04. As suggested earlier here, I updated bios of my laptop to resolve screen freeze issue, touch pad issue. But, so far I don't think it has worked completely.
[15:13] <ash__> Can anyone help to find root cause?
[15:47] <lordcirth_> I'm trying to use virt-manager on a KVM libvirt host that I can only connect to via a jump host. using ssh -YJ and running virt-manager on the remote is cripplingly slow. I can't figure out how to run virt-manager locally and jump it's connection through 2 hops. Any ideas?
[15:48] <leftyfb> lordcirth_: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/13/html/Virtualization_Guide/chap-Virtualization-Remote_management_of_virtualized_guests.html
[15:49] <lordcirth_> leftyfb, I'm not seeing anything there about ProxyJump or forwarding?
[15:49] <leftyfb> lordcirth_: read the entire article
[15:50] <lordcirth_> All of chapter 21? I did
[15:52] <leftyfb> lordcirth_: what does the very last line say?
[15:53] <lordcirth_> "Input values for the hypervisor type, the connection, Connection->Remote tunnel over SSH, and enter the desired hostname, then click connection." ?
[15:53] <leftyfb> lordcirth_: also, I just installed virt-manager on a fresh install of 20.04, opened virt-manager, clicked File -> Add Connection and I saw the answer right there
[15:53] <lordcirth_> leftyfb, I feel like you didn't read my question
[15:54] <leftyfb> lordcirth_: you want to manage your VM's remotely over SSH
[15:54] <lordcirth_> I know how to connect to a remote host in virt-manager. That's trivial. I need to figure out how to manage libvirt by connecting *through a ProxyJump host*
[15:55] <leftyfb> lordcirth_: ok, so setup a ProxyJump profile in your ~/.ssh/config and specify the end box (not the jump host) in your virt-manager settings
[15:55] <lordcirth_> Ok, thanks, I will try that
[15:58] <superschnell> How do I do that thing where all active windows are shown in some kind of grid together? What's the keyboard shortcut for that again?
[15:59] <leftyfb> superschnell: press the "super" key on your keyboard
[16:00] <oerheks> or alt-tab ?
[16:00] <superschnell> The windows key? Gets me the menu... very sorry, I forgot to mention this is kubuntu..
[16:00] <superschnell> This was Ubuntu, but I converted it a while ago
[16:00] <leftyfb> superschnell: sorry, I don't know KDE
[16:00] <superschnell> Yeah, I might be asking in the wrong place
[16:00] <superschnell> Sorry about that
[16:04] <Maik> superschnell: well there's #kubuntu
[16:04] <Maik> or ask in #kde
[16:06] <biocandy> Im trying to connect my sony wh1000xm3 via blueman but they wont connect due to "connection failed: software caued connection abbort", anyone know what that could be about? It doesnt show up in pavucontrol
[16:08] <biocandy> terminal says:
[16:08] <biocandy> File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/blueman/gui/manager/ManagerDeviceList.py", line 184, in make_device_icon target = icon_info.load_surface(window)
[16:08] <biocandy> AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'load_surface'
[16:11] <oerheks> try Bluez, instead of blueman?
[16:11] <oerheks> !info bluez
[16:24] <yates> in lubuntu, how do you run session-wide commands?
[16:24] <yates> i want to run a setxkbmap command to swap ctrl and capslock on lxde startup
[16:25] <yates> i tried adding the command to /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart but it doesn't work
[16:26] <EriC^> yates: you could use startup apps
[16:26] <EriC^> yates: gnome-session-properties in the terminal should pop it up or search the menu for startup apps
[16:28] <yates> EriC^^: are you referring to the ~/.config/autostart/xyz.desktop files?
[16:29] <EriC^^> yates: yeah it puts the startup apps there
[16:31] <yates> ok thanks
[16:31] <ash__>  hi everyone! May I know what does this log mean? "iommu ivhd0: AMD-Vi: Event logged [INVALID_DEVICE_REQUEST device=00:00.0 pasid=0x00000 address=0xfffffffdf8000000 flags=0x0a00]"
[16:31] <ash__> is this some critical error?
[16:31] <__kaari__> Hello guys, I'm just getting started with bionic desktop and I'm seeing a lot of rules in the firewall. it doesn't seem there is a frontend activated by default, what is the recommended way to open some ports there ? If I use a front, like firewalld or ufw, will the current rules be handled ?
[16:38] <pavlos> __kaari__: I think ufw is easier to work with than iptables (unless you need advanced features).
[16:45] <tdannecy9> What is the most lightweight vim package that I can install? `vim-nox` tries to install a ton of sound packages? I'm running ubuntu inside a docker container and need it to be lightweight.
[16:47] <pavlos> vim-tiny
[16:48] <tdannecy9> pavlos: Thanks so much!!
[16:49] <pavlos> tdannecy9: apt show vim-tiny has a good blurb
[16:51] <MapMan> Hi! I'm running server using ubuntu 20.04. I have 2 network interfaces, wired eth connection and wifi. Wifi works great. The wired connection on the other hand seems not to work with dns? I can't ping google.com but I can ping <IP_ADDRESS>. Where should I start debugging this?
[16:52] <relipse> I installed elasticsearch and now I don't want it, how do I get rid of this error everytime i run apt-get install? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/aAARVsN5/
[16:52] <pavlos> MapMan: check your /etc/resolv.conf
[16:54] <MapMan> pavlos: https://dpaste.org/ac2C
[16:54] <MapMan> pavlos: that's all there is
[16:58] <pavlos> MapMan: nmcli dev show | grep DNS
[17:01] <MapMan> pavlos: I appreciate your help, but I just narrowed the problem down to my pi-hole set up. When I took pi-hole out of the picture, the eth connection works just fine. Sorry for the trouble!
[17:01] <pavlos> MapMan: np
[17:11] <txtsd> Hello. Is there a detailed guide to installing a kernel with the ck patchset on Ubuntu?
[17:19] <leftyfb> txtsd: I googled for "ubuntu kernel ck patch" and came across https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/4fg8on/linuxck_equivalent_on_ubuntu/  good luck. This is completely unsupported
[17:33] <lordcirth_> txtsd, why do you want ck?
[17:49] <txtsd> my laptop keeps intermittently freezing so I was hoping to try a performance oriented kernel. I use the -ck kernel on my desktop which runs Arch.
[17:50] <txtsd> I haven't been able to find any source of the intermittent freezes. Happens freshly after boot with no CPU usage, and minimal RAM usage, and barely any disk activity.
[17:50] <txtsd> It's running 20.04
[17:51] <lordcirth_> txtsd, there are probably less extreme solutions than linux-ck. Any errors in dmesg?
[17:51] <txtsd> Nothing unusual
[17:52] <lordcirth_> txtsd, install rasdaemon, see if that catches some hardware errors. What graphics card and driver?
[17:52] <txtsd> What else could I check/try? I mainly use it to pull up youtube, and play minecraft on the go.
[17:52] <txtsd> It has some radeon graphics. It uses amdgpu.
[17:53] <txtsd> Also, these freezes weren't present when I first installed Ubuntu on it a couple of months ago.
[17:53] <txtsd> They started recently, presumably, after an unsupervised upgrade.
[17:56] <lordcirth_> txtsd, and if you reboot back to an older kernel?
[17:57] <txtsd> I'll have to try that. An LTS should be fine?
[17:57] <lordcirth_> any kernel that worked before
[17:57] <txtsd> Wait no that's Arch. How do I go back to an older kernel?
[17:58] <lordcirth_> txtsd, in the grub menu, there are past kernels listed
[17:59] <txtsd> Alright, I'll try older kernels and report back. And also rasdaemon, but tomorrow. It's pretty late for me atm.
[17:59] <txtsd> Thanks for your input!
[18:02] <leftyfb> txtsd: btw, there are no "unsupervised upgrades" by default in ubuntu
[18:49] <lightboi> hi mods, is kdiff3 working on focal
[18:49] <lightboi> please hel
[18:52] <coconut> lightboi, it´s in the repo, something which does not work?
[18:56] <coconut> !info kdiff3 focal
[18:56] <lightboi> 20.04.. it craches
[18:57] <rdr> it's not installed by default so I don't know
[18:57] <lightboi> when i diff directories
[18:57] <lightboi> it worked so nice on bionic soo..?
[18:58] <rdr> I don't know, what's the difference between diff and kdiff3
[18:58] <lightboi> umm kdiff3 offers much better gui for merging... so usefule
[18:59] <rdr> oh i don't use kde stuff, sorry
[18:59] <lightboi> hehe
[18:59] <lightboi> thanks for replying, just that when merging its the best alt to p4
[19:00] <lightboi> some people on stackoverflow claim it works fine on 20.10. please kindly guide to source packages
[19:01] <rdr> it's usually not a good idea to mix packages from different releases
[19:01] <rdr> but you can find the deb for it and see if it installs
[19:01] <lightboi> no, i will build
[19:02] <lightboi> the deb has obviously the wrong source :)
[19:02] <rdr> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=kdiff3
[19:02] <lightboi> hhaha
[19:02] <lightboi> thanks but no thanks
[19:02] <rdr> could be an issue with your configuration if you upgraded
[19:02] <rdr> maybe old config files is causing issues
[19:03] <rdr> look in ~/.config/kdiff maybe
[19:03] <rdr> or .kde somewhere
[19:03] <lightboi> sure.. brb
[19:03] <lightboi> lightdm so no .kde probs
[19:04] <lightboi> nope no local config either
[19:04] <lightboi> sir, have you really tried kdiff3 on stock 20.04?
[19:05] <rdr> no
[19:05] <rdr> just trying to help
[19:05] <lightboi> umm sorry for being rude
[19:05] <rdr> /usr/share/kxmlgui5/kdiff3/kdiff3_shell.rc
[19:05] <rdr> that appears to be a default config file of some sort in the package
[19:06] <rdr> but that's as far as I can suggest you look
[19:06] <lightboi> umm i purged package so.. and kxml is not default on ubuntu
[19:06] <rdr> I don't want to install it because it pulls in a lot of dependencies
[19:07] <lightboi> thanks! appreciate! cheers
[19:07] <lightboi> next alternative is meld but is sux
[19:08] <rdr> might want to ask in #kubuntu since they would be able to more easily install it without adding a lot of deps
[19:08] <rdr> if that's a channel
[19:08] <lightboi> rdr <3
[19:09] <rdr> tell you what i'll spin up a vm and see
[19:09] <lightboi> it is and i will try meanwhile
[19:12] <rdr> it loads on teh livecd
[19:12] <rdr> after install
[19:12] <lightboi> aah
[19:12] <rdr> just typing kdiff3 in the terminal
[19:12] <rdr> is there an error message when you do that?
[19:12] <lightboi> something wrong with mine system then
[19:13] <lightboi> one minute precious sec update incoming
[19:14] <lightboi> please bear
[19:15] <rdr> oh, i found the config file
[19:15] <rdr> ~/.config/kdiff3rc
[19:16] <lightboi> brb in two sire
[19:22] <rdr> any luck lightboi ?
[19:24] <lightboi> rdr sorry missed ur chats
[19:25] <sarnold> < rdr> oh, i found the config file < rdr> ~/.config/kdiff3rc
[19:25] <rdr> oh yeah, that might be the issue
[19:26] <lightboi> fresh reboot and syslog states Could not create transient scope for PID 5858: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnixProcessIdUnknown: Process with ID 5858 does not exist
[19:26] <sarnold> ew
[19:26] <lightboi> sarnold ty lemme check
[19:27] <rdr> what happens if you type kdiff3 into a terminal
[19:27] <lightboi> rdr it works fine
[19:27] <lightboi> it fails with args
[19:27] <rdr> what are the arguments
[19:28] <rdr> it should just be $ kdiff3 ~/file.or.dir.1 ~/file.or.dir.2
[19:28] <lightboi> rdr discreet wise dir1/ dir2/
[19:28] <lightboi> yup
[19:28] <lightboi> sarnold i feel fishy about this config file
[19:29] <lightboi> because i just had kernel upgrade
[19:29] <lightboi> 5.4.0-66
[19:30] <rdr> how does it fail? does it give an error message when you specify directories/files?
[19:30] <rdr> what's discreet wise?
[19:31] <lightboi> umm the gui hangs
[19:31] <lightboi> no dmesg logs
[19:31] <lightboi> just syslogs i posted
[19:32] <lightboi> lots of clutter on cmd line tho
[19:32] <lightboi> Invalid Context= "Legacy" line for icon theme:  "/usr/share/icons/Adwaita/8x8/legacy/"
[19:32] <lightboi> Invalid Context= "UI" line for icon theme:  "/usr/share/icons/Adwaita/scalable/ui/"
[19:33] <rdr> is Adwaita your chosen icon theme?
[19:33] <lightboi> yep
[19:33] <lightboi> :(
[19:33] <rdr> can you try changing it to Breeze just to see if it makes a difference for this program?
[19:33] <lightboi> sure.. on it
[19:34] <rdr> i get the same errors with adwaita
[19:34] <rdr> but the gui doesn't hang
[19:34] <rdr> is it any file, or just some specific file that you're trying to compare?
[19:34] <rdr> maybe a permissions problem with the file?
[19:34] <lightboi> gui goes poof.. no its just normal dirs
[19:34] <lightboi> new errors.. QFSFileEngine::open: No file name specified
[19:35] <chev> hello, I am trying to configure squid on my ubuntu machine. What ip address should I be using to do that? My actual IP address, or network address >.>
[19:35] <lightboi> same args
[19:35] <lightboi> well seems i need to go for a fresh install
[19:36] <lightboi> residual form 18.04 maybe
[19:36] <rdr> did you try removing that config file?
[19:36] <lightboi> rdr did your vm work?
[19:36] <lightboi> yep
[19:36] <rdr> ~/.config/kdiff3rc
[19:36] <rdr> yeah it works in the vm
[19:36] <rdr> I tried kdiff3 ~/.config ~/.kde
[19:36] <rdr> and it works fine
[19:36] <lightboi> hmm
[19:37] <lightboi> i will wait for higher ones to answer or else tomm morning i will go for clean install
[19:37] <lightboi> but that stackoverflow post tho
[19:37] <lightboi> thanks man
[19:37] <rdr> chev, i'm not sure, I don't know what squid is.  Are you trying to reach it from your local network or outside of it?
[19:37] <lightboi> rdr !!!!!cheers!!!!
[19:37] <rdr> lightboi: good luck
[19:37] <lightboi> hehe
[19:37] <rdr> chev: because if you use your outside IP, you'd have to forward the port on the router to your machine, unless you're connected directly to the modem
[19:38] <lightboi> actually was hooked on to simavr and wanted diff.. <3 4m india
[19:39] <chev> rdr: im a beginner here, sorry for the confusion. I have two machines and a ubuntu server together on an unmanaged switch. The server has wireless network. I installed squid, a proxy service, to bring them internet, but i need to configure what ip address and port it listens on.
[19:39] <chev> so i wasnt sure if i should use the servers ip address or what, but i know what port to use.
[19:40] <rdr> ok, i'm not sure.  if you're connecting to it locally, it should be your internal network ip.  but it might be the other one, i'm not sure
[19:41] <rdr> sorry this is beyond me, i'm googling but not finding much
[19:42] <chev> its fine ^_^
[19:42] <lightboi> chev, rdr, umm if i am not wrong squid is flat proxy on http/tcp
[19:42] <rdr> does this give you any hints? https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/squid-proxy-is-not-hiding-client-ip-address/
[19:43] <lightboi> so any like 80, 8080, 443 should worl
[19:43] <chev> lightboi: yeah, 8080 is the port, no problem there, wasnt sure what ip to use
[19:43] <lightboi> not a pro so like rdr said search is ur best friend buddy
[19:44] <lightboi> if its locally then its your gateway for sure
[19:46] <chev> ok, i got it running this time, will see if i can get to it from the other machine, thanks
[19:47] <lightboi> chev aaa <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS> worked?
[19:48] <lightboi> please tell if you want to share..thanks brother
[19:56] <lightboi> QFSFileEngine::open: No file name specified is a Qt error
[19:57] <lightboi> rdr if you are online brother can you tell qt versions on that vm
[19:58] <rdr> lightboi: one sec.  what package is it?  qt5?
[19:58] <rdr> i guess i can tell in systeminfo
[19:59] <rdr> Qt Version 5.12.8, kernel 5.8.0-44-generic (HWE)
[20:03] <lightboi> same here
[20:04] <lightboi> badluck i guess
[20:04] <lightboi> plus newer kernel so i gotsta be doomed
[20:04] <rdr> easy enough to install it
[20:05] <rdr> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1314328/ubuntu-20-04-how-can-i-enable-hwe
[20:08] <lightboi> yeah 5.8 is newer.. i think i will try 5.6 first
[20:08] <lightboi> bye
[20:21] <echo258> why would my system fezzes randomly after i boot up the computer and login? I even ran a memory test but after one second it freezes. riht now in it safe mode and it works fine?
[20:23] <sarnold> echo258: if you're using gnome, it's probably worth disabling gnome extensions
[20:25] <echo258> I am using xubuntu (xfce)
[20:25] <rdr> what freezes?  the panel?
[20:26] <echo258> the whole system
[20:26] <echo258> from what i can tell
[20:29] <echo258> Is it possible to update the system in safe mode? It has be a few months from when i last booted up the system.
[20:29] <sarnold> yeah, sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[20:32] <echo258> is the upgrade command the same as software updater?
[20:34] <rdr> yes
[20:43] <echo258> some program must make the system freeze
[20:46] <coconut> echo258, ...or hardware
[20:50] <coconut> echo258, did you try booting with "nomodeset" option from grub?
[22:37] <Qen-Joana> Hey channel, I'm having some VERY frustrating issues with my liveUSB 'seeing constituent hardware raid drives' which I have researched to be a driver or libparted problem. Can someone refer I to fast help?
[22:39] <Qen-Joana> I have been trying to do an install but after 3 days and 15+ different attempts/troubleshoots, still no luck!


[08:42] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: I really do not think it should be done via __getitem__ at all.
[08:42] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: If you do that then GET requests will mutate the database, which is wrong.
[08:43] <cjwatson> tsimonq2: It should be a new factory method and *not* called via __getitem__.
[11:29] <tsimonq2> cjwatson: Ok, understood.
[11:33] <cjwatson> (One practical reason that a new design shouldn't involve mutating the database in a GET request is that at some point we're likely to remove the workaround that does a commit after a webservice GET, since that slows things down and should be unnecessary with correct designs.)


[05:02] <pitti> Good morning
[05:27] <pitti> darkxst: how can I verify bug 1192372? when I do e. g. "gdb gedit" it doesn't seem to autoload anything
[05:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1192372 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "glib's gdb auto-load scripts are not loaded" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1192372
[07:52] <darkxst> pitti, you need to 'set debug auto-load' to see the auto-load logging
[07:53] <darkxst> pitti, or 'info auto-load python-scripts' will show the loaded scripts
[08:20] <darkxst> pitti, also they don't get loaded until after you run the program
[08:24] <pitti> darkxst: thanks
[08:31] <sil2100> Wellark: hello! Could you take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~pete-woods/hud/keywords-test-fail/+merge/197809 once you're around?
[08:31] <sil2100> Wellark: it's a fix for a FTBFS issue that's blocking hud release from migrating from proposed
[08:32] <ogra_> sil2100, oh we have a fix already ?
[08:36] <sil2100> ogra_: yes, it seems there's a branch for it but needs to be rewieved still
[08:36] <sil2100> Pete made a fix from what I see
[08:36] <ogra_> sil2100, well, ted is at the sprint
[08:37] <ogra_> so it should be possible to easily get a review in our TZ
[08:37] <ogra_> speaking of the devil
[08:37] <ogra_> hey tedg
[08:37] <tedg> Good morning ogra_
[08:38] <ogra_> tedg, we have a HUD FTBFS ... and a fix for it, but someone needs to review ... its a blocker for touch images atm ...
[08:38] <ogra_> https://code.launchpad.net/~pete-woods/hud/keywords-test-fail/+merge/197809
[08:38] <sil2100> tedg: hello! :) As ogra_ mentioned ^
[08:38] <ogra_> (seems fairly simple)
[08:40] <tedg> ogra_, sil2100, It seems pete-woods asked for Wellark to review it.  He just got in.
[08:40] <ogra_> ah, cool
[08:41] <ogra_> tedg, how about you guys all stay in our timezone after the sprint ... makes everything so much quicker :)
[08:44] <didrocks> +1
[08:48] <tedg> ogra_, Hah, everyone involved here is in your timezone normally :-)
[08:48] <tedg> Well, except Wellark, he's earlier.
[09:00] <Laney> gooooooooood morninnnnnnnnnnngggggggggg
[09:03] <mlankhorst> Hello, world!\n
[09:03] <Wellark> sil2100: done.
[09:04] <tedg> didrocks, What's the syntax for new symbols?  "replaceme" or "replace_me"
[09:04] <sil2100> Wellark: thank you!
[09:05] <didrocks> tedg: 0replaceme: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DailyRelease/FAQ#I.27m_exposing_a_new_C.2BAC8-C.2B-.2B-_symbols_in_my_library.2C_it_seems_that_some_packaging_changes_are_needed.2BICY-
[09:06] <tedg> didrocks, Ah, thanks!
[09:06] <didrocks> yw ;)
[09:57] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[09:59] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[09:59] <pitti> darkxst: hm, with that it installs into /usr/share/gdb/auto-load/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglib-2.0.so.0.3901.0-gdb.py
[10:00] <darkxst> pitti, right, that is where gdb looks, since libglib in is /lib/
[10:00] <pitti> darkxst: nevermind, that's fine; thanks!
[10:05] <Laney> hey seb128
[10:05] <Laney> webkit/arm64 built ;-)
[10:05] <ogra_> whee !
[10:06] <ogra_> so my software center should work soon again ?
[10:06] <Laney> I don't think the two are related
[10:06] <Laney> you could help debug if you get the issue
[10:06] <ogra_> *sniff*
[10:06] <seb128> Laney, \o/
[10:47] <seb128> mvo, hey ... so aptdaemon's fix in trusty? do you want to fix the test issue first? are you looking at that?
[10:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, did you see my ping yesterday?
[10:47] <seb128> happyaron, hey, same question ;-)
[10:49] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128 :)
[10:50] <chrisccoulson> yeah, but no time to look at it just yet :/
[10:50] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, how are you?
[10:50] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks. how are you?
[10:50] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm good thanks ;-)
[10:50] <seb128> trying to get errors cleaned for the lts ;-)
[13:16] <seb128> Laney vs webkit, new round, let's see how that one goes ;-)
[13:16] <Laney> muhahaha
[13:17] <Laney> damn, was hoping to get sagari
[13:18] <Laney> oh, what happened?
[13:20] <seb128> Laney, new harfbuzz got synced (new soname)
[13:20] <Laney> HARFBUZZZZZZZZZZZ
[13:20] <seb128> Laney, I'm going to rebuild pango
[13:20] <seb128> Laney, you should get lunch ;-)
[13:20] <Laney> I am doing
[13:21] <Laney> was hoping to leave that going while out for lunch
[13:21] <Laney> will give it back when I return then :P
[13:21] <seb128> right, I'm going to handle harfbuzz
[13:21] <seb128> enjoy lunch
[13:21] <Laney> ta
[13:21] <seb128> do you think you are going to be back for the settings meeting? ;-)
[13:22] <Laney> got to cycle to town in the wind + rain, not sure enjoyable will be it
[13:22] <Laney> isn't that at 14.30?
[13:22]  * seb128 wonders if we are going to still have one this year :p
[13:22] <seb128> it's in 1h30
[13:22] <Laney> no, 15.00
[13:22] <Laney> definitely will be
[13:22] <seb128> cool
[13:22] <Laney> unless the storm gets me
[13:22] <seb128> enjoy lunch then!
[13:22] <Laney> tata
[13:40] <mvo> seb128: uploaded, sorry
[13:41] <ogra_> mvo, hey, when are you coming back ? ... time to end that holiday :)
[13:42] <seb128> mvo, danke
[13:42] <seb128> mvo, hey, when do you come back? it's not the same here without you :/
[14:00] <seb128> Laney, so, I'm pondering dropping the new harfbuzz from trusty-proposed, let me know when you are back from lunch, want to discuss that
[14:01] <seb128> Sweetshark, can we get a libreoffice building in trusty? we have some transitions lining up that requires a rebuild from your side...
[14:04] <Sweetshark> seb128: whats the timeline on the transitions?
[14:04] <seb128> Sweetshark, new libharfbuzz has been autosynced from Debian today, and it's blocking webkit
[14:04] <seb128> which is why I just pinged Laney about deleting harfbuzz
[14:05] <seb128> but that sucks
[14:06] <mvo> ogra_: heh :)
[14:06] <mvo> seb128: your welcome
[14:07] <Sweetshark> sooo, LibreOffice 4.2.0 rc1 is scheduled for 2013-12-16, 4.2 is building in the ppa and IIRC 4.1 would not build as is on trusty.
[14:08] <Sweetshark> seb128: is that too long of?
[14:09] <desrt> greetings desktopers
[14:12] <larsu> greetings
[14:12] <seb128> desrt, good morning!
[14:12] <seb128> Sweetshark, we need to discuss it, we have several options
[14:13] <seb128> - dropping new harfbuzz
[14:13] <seb128> - keeping stuff in proposed for a while
[14:13] <seb128> - getting libreoffice to build
[14:13] <pitti> hey desrt, how are you?
[14:14] <desrt> good
[14:14] <pitti> desrt: I can haz systemd-shim 6?
[14:14] <desrt> sure.  i'll cook one up this morning.
[14:14]  * pitti passes the pepper and salt, thanks!
[14:15] <desrt> btw... i was thinking
[14:15] <desrt> how did you notice the bus-flushing problem?
[14:15] <desrt> it should have worked anyway because of your changes to the timeout...
[14:15] <pitti> desrt: yes, but I asked bug reporters to give me the shim output during suspend/resume, and saw all this goo; sec
[14:16] <pitti> desrt: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/156923742/systemd-shim.log
[14:16] <desrt> pitti: no worries.  just wondering if it was still failing or something :p
[14:16] <pitti> desrt: scroll to the end
[14:17] <pitti> desrt: yes, several people say it is still failing; although I can now not see anything wrong in systemd-shim's log, dbus-monitor, or pm-suspend.log :(
[14:17] <desrt> this bug has been very embarassing.  it's take like what?  3 releases to fix? :)
[14:17] <desrt> huh?
[14:17] <desrt> IMPOSSIBLE!!
[14:17] <pitti> my words exactly! :-)
[14:18] <pitti> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/158309871/systemd-shim.log is with the fix, and it looks impeccable
[14:18] <desrt> before i make distcheck i'm gonna make coffee
[14:19] <pitti> make: *** No rule to make target `coffee'.  Stop.
[14:19] <pitti> desrt: sorry, doesn't work
[14:20] <ochosi> pitti: you should really update your buildsystem! ;)
[14:20] <pitti> ochosi: but it's right! no coffee in the house; "make tea" OTOH works fine :)
[14:20] <desrt> ochosi: just needs to upgrade his hardware
[14:20] <ochosi> :D
[14:21] <Sweetshark> seb128: I will have a look at the 4.1 package in trusty today in the evening to see if its a trivial fix, I can give you a somewhat qualified opinion then ...
[14:21] <Sweetshark> seb128: k?
[14:21] <seb128> pitti, hey, can you remind me the env magic you gave me the other time to test software-properties drivers install on my intel box?
[14:21] <ochosi> btw, i'm looking to find someone who pushes updates to the indicator-stack usually
[14:21] <ochosi> who would you point me to?
[14:21] <seb128> Sweetshark, that would be great, thanks
[14:21] <desrt> pitti: COFFEE is a new intel CPU extension.  Compile-Optimised For Fast Executable... Execution
[14:21] <ochosi> (specifically we have a bugfix for the gtk2 indicator)
[14:22] <pitti> seb128: /usr/share/ubuntu-drivers-common/fake-devices-wrapper ubuntu-drivers list
[14:22] <seb128> pitti, danke
[14:22] <pitti> seb128: (or run any other program, like softwarwe-properties-gtk or lspci, etc.)
[14:28] <happyaron> seb128: can't get it working, removing the assertion does not work.
[14:29] <seb128> happyaron, what happens when you remove it?
[14:29] <seb128> happyaron, did you try to ping the fedora maintainer (since that's a bug in their patch)?
[14:29] <happyaron> seb128: fail on other parts, because the input method list is empty, the functions calls for input method engine's property will fail.
[14:30] <happyaron> seb128: no, he has an updated version of the patch, but the change is quite big and can be applied only to ibus 1.5.4.
[14:30] <seb128> ok
[14:39]  * seb128 hates python and encodings
[14:45] <Laney> seb128: what's the problem?
[14:46] <seb128> Laney, with what? python or harfbuzz?
[14:46] <Laney> harfbuzz
[14:46] <Laney> it's not a real transition is it?
[14:46] <Laney> in code terms
[14:46] <seb128> Laney, it's a soname change and rdepends include libreoffice
[14:46] <Laney> I thought it was just a package name change
[14:46] <seb128> Laney, and 4.1 doesn't build in trusty toolchain and 4.2 is not ready for upload yet
[14:47] <seb128> Laney, how is that different?
[14:47] <Laney> because it means there should be zero porting
[14:47] <seb128> well, it means a no change rebuild from libreoffice
[14:47] <seb128> which means a libreoffice not ftbfsing
[14:47] <Laney> that's a shame
[14:47] <seb128> right
[14:48] <Laney> highlights why that needs to be kept on top of
[14:48] <Laney> but yeah, delete it if that's best for now
[14:48] <seb128> don't tell me
[14:48] <seb128> read my ping to Sweetshark from half an hour ago
[14:48] <seb128> with the 3 options
[14:48] <seb128> he said he would look today if there is an easy for for 4.1
[14:49] <seb128> the issue is that we said we don't want to spend too much work on fixing 4.1 when we move to 4.2 this month
[14:49] <seb128> but 4.2 is still alpha and Sweetshark doesn't want to upload those versions to the archive
[14:49] <seb128> so it's a bit of a sucky situation
[14:59] <seb128> kenvandine, Laney, tedg, mpt, charles: let's resume settings hangout, who is available this week? (maybe not ted/charles in London)
[14:59] <seb128> attente, ^
[15:00] <Laney> ye
[15:00] <seb128> oh, hangout and Laney
[15:00] <Laney> muhahaha
[15:00] <seb128> that's almost as much fun than webkit and Laney
[15:00] <kenvandine> hey
[15:00] <Laney> I copy the link to http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/bah.html
[15:00] <Laney> and then visit that on my phone
[15:01] <seb128> lol
[15:01] <kenvandine> mpt is on
[15:01] <seb128> ok, let me start my browser
[15:07] <kenvandine> seb128, everything froze...
[15:08] <seb128> kenvandine, you seem fine
[15:11] <Laney> sec
[15:11] <Laney> attente: here
[15:12] <Laney> I tried to get the language name from e.g. "en"
[15:12] <Laney> but if you ask for it there it gives you "U.S. English"
[15:12] <Laney> so that solution doesn't work
[15:13] <Laney> seb128: make him look here!
[15:13] <mpt> oh bother
[15:13] <Laney> So it would be language name - country name
[15:13] <Laney> but yeah ...
[15:13] <mpt> Is there anything that returns the string "English"?
[15:14] <Laney> en_otherthings
[15:14] <Laney> but I don't know how you could do that algorithmically
[15:14] <mpt> Literally?
[15:14] <Laney> no
[15:14] <Laney> like en_GB
[15:14] <mpt> en_GB returns "English" and not "UK English"?
[15:14] <mpt> RULE BRITANNIA
[15:15] <Laney> there's a "language" method
[15:15] <Laney> which is like that, yeah ...
[15:15] <mpt> Laney, so does language("en") == language("en-NZ") == language("en-CA") etc?
[15:16] <Laney> http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtcore/qlocale.html#languageToString
[15:16] <Laney> I think it was this one
[15:16] <Laney> no, "en" was the odd one out
[15:16] <Laney> IIRC
[15:17] <seb128> how manager engineers does it take to make google hangout work with audio :p
[15:17] <kenvandine> haha
[15:17] <Laney> it broke when I went to the text chat to see what mpt said
[15:17] <Laney> also then I couldn't figure out how to get back to the video for ages
[15:17] <Laney> (you have to go to the notification)
[15:18] <attente> and language("en-DK") == "US English" iirc
[15:18] <Laney> can't remember exactly which ones
[15:18] <Laney> but it was a bit messed up
[15:18] <attente> wait, no. nack that
[15:19] <Laney> this is languageToString(locale.language()) or similar
[15:19] <Laney> what I was trying
[15:19] <mpt> Laney, so, fixable upstream bugs?
[15:19] <Laney> depends how deliberate it is I guess
[15:20] <mpt> Would it help for me to describe the desired behavior so you can link bug reports to it? :-)
[15:20] <Laney> sure, that can't hurt
[15:21] <Laney> there's no variants at all in the mockup we have there now
[15:21] <mpt> That’s because there aren’t any in my wireframe, because I didn’t know they existed
[15:21]  * Laney nods
[15:22] <mpt> What’s the biggest example? en, or fr, or something else?
[15:24] <Laney> not sure
[15:24] <Laney> I think es_ has quite a lot
[15:25] <mpt> Laney, is a table of them published anywhere?
[15:30] <Laney> looking
[15:32] <Laney> mpt: ls /usr/share/i18n/locales
[15:35] <mpt> Huh, there are no un-suffixed locales
[15:36] <mpt> e.g. no "en"
[15:37] <mpt> Laney, so does countryToString() correspond to “territory” in these locale files?
[15:39] <attente> Laney, in qtbase-opensource-src, there's a big list called "likely_subtags" in qlocale_data_p.h
[15:39] <attente> trying to figure out where all those numbers are coming from
[15:42] <Laney> mpt: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6525278/ is a list of all of them
[15:43] <Laney> I don't think we'd display all of those though; ours corresponds to `locale -a'
[15:43] <Laney> that's code - native language name - native country name
[15:43] <mpt> ar - Arabic - Egypt <facepalm/>
[15:44] <mpt> fr - français - France
[15:45] <Laney> I tried taking the native language name from the language-only codes and combining it with the native country name
[15:45] <Laney> that's what fails with en - U.S. English - United States
[15:46] <Laney> attente: seems magic to me
[15:46] <Laney> but it says that en points to en_Latn_US which might be a clue
[15:46] <attente> Laney, http://cldr.unicode.org/index/cldr-spec/language-tag-equivalences
[15:46] <mpt> Laney, and with Arabic and with French as above … Their un-suffixed versions assume a particular country
[15:47] <Laney> mpt: I would ignore the country part there
[15:47] <Laney> unless you mean it makes the language different
[15:48] <mpt> That would work in most cases. It wouldn’t work in spoken Arabic, but this is written Arabic, so
[15:48] <Laney> I meant "combining it with the native country name of the suffixed version"
[15:48] <Laney> attente: ah, fail, so it is deliberate
[15:49] <mpt> Laney, ah, I thought you meant assuming that the unsuffixed one was suitable for generic use
[15:49] <Laney> assuming its 'native language name' is
[15:53] <Laney> pitti: did you commit that glib2.0 upload to debian? (or does it rely on 2.39 somehow?)
[15:54] <pitti> Laney: no, not yet; I haven't tested it in Debian, not sure whether the gdb scripts are already in Debian's version
[15:54] <Laney> doubt it, we were synced until the first 2.39 upload
[15:56] <seb128> Laney, ok, so I'm going to upload pango for the new harfbuzz, giving sweetshark the end of week to try to get libreoffice to build
[15:57] <Laney> or RM!
[15:57] <Laney> (ok, cool)
[15:57] <seb128> Laney, if it doesn't we can remove those from proposed on monday and rebuild webkit again
[15:57] <seb128> does that sound like a plan to you? or do you prefer to rm harfbuzz until we get lo to buil?
[15:57] <seb128> d
[15:58] <Laney> it depends how likely it is that we'll get a fixed version
[15:58] <Laney> i.e. if it will actually be worked on
[15:58] <Laney> there is no point if it definitely will not be
[15:58] <seb128> Laney, Sweetshark said he would have a try to see if it's easy
[15:58] <mpt> Laney, yeah, I don’t see a way of doing it without patching the names of those oddballs: U. S. English, Australian English, British English, français canadien, français suisse, español de España, and español latinoamericano.
[15:59] <mpt> (or however many of those we ship:-)
[15:59] <seb128> Laney, ok, you convinced me to remove harfbuzz, we can easily bring it back
[15:59] <Laney> k
[16:00] <Laney> mpt: Indeed, but I suspect that's a no-go as attente linked to the standard that mandates this behaviour
[16:02] <mpt> Laney, do you mean <http://cldr.unicode.org/index/cldr-spec/language-tag-equivalences>? That requires nothing about language names. We can rename “U. S. English” to “English” while still accepting that en_US is equivalent to en.
[16:04] <attente> mpt, so the objective is to scan through all of the locales, and replace the display language name to their basic forms?
[16:06] <mpt> attente, only for the unsuffixed ones (or those that are equivalent to unsuffixed ones). For example, en/en_US would be “English”, followed by en_AU “English (Australia)”, followed by en_GB “English (United Kingdom)”, etc
[16:07] <mpt> attente, and the reason I want to do that is so that the whole list isn’t cluttered with territory names
[16:07] <ricotz> seb128, Laney, hi, i guess pango and webkit won't have problem with the new harfbuzz, if libreoffice has it could switch to the internal copy in the meantime
[16:08] <Laney> I think it ftbfs for some other reason
[16:08] <attente> mpt, are we still keeping one entry per locale though?
[16:09] <mpt> attente, sure
[16:09] <ricotz> Laney, ok -- still it reasonable to get the new harfbuzz in
[16:09] <seb128> ricotz, the issue is not harfbuzz, is to get libreoffice 4.1 building on the trusty toolchain
[16:09] <Laney> ricotz: it sure is
[16:09] <Laney> but it'll need to wait for libreoffice to build
[16:09] <Laney> you can debug that if you want ;-)
[16:09] <ricotz> seb128, ah ok, so the gcc 4.8 problem
[16:10] <seb128> ricotz, we are going to get the new harfbuzz in 10 days when libreoffice 4.2rc1 is out and is ready to be uploaded to trusty
[16:10] <ricotz> seb128, fair enough
[16:13] <mpt> It’s understandable but awkward that the language names are pre-translated into themselves. It means that the variations of Serbian will be sorted into two places, two under “Српски” and two under “Srpski”.
[16:14] <mpt> oh well
[16:15] <attente> i'm still having some trouble determining where U.S. English is coming from
[16:15] <seb128> mvo, hey, maybe you can help ... when does an installed package has no "candidate" version in apt?
[16:16] <attente> definitely not coming from /usr/share/i18n/locales
[16:19] <Laney> icu isn't it?
[16:20] <attente> well.. looking at the code for languageToString, it seems to be coming from the qtbase-opensource-src package :/
[16:23] <attente> ah. right. but we're using nativeLanguageName...
[16:24] <attente> that's our answer i guess.. just use languageToString
[16:24] <attente> oh. but those aren't translated..'
[16:27]  * mpt tries not to wonder whether all the uncapitalized language names should be capitalized when they appear as menu items
[16:34] <mvo> seb128: hi
[16:34] <mvo> seb128: it means there is nothing that it can download, either because of apt pining or because the package is no longer on the server
[16:34] <mvo> seb128: do you have some mor econtext?
[16:35] <seb128> mvo, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/software-properties/handle-no-candidate/+merge/197917
[16:35] <mvo> seb128: ok, let me have a look, this can probably be fixed
[16:36] <seb128> mvo, weird, I tried to install nvidia-304, removed the restricted source, did an index update and there was still a candidate
[16:36] <seb128> mvo, I'm not sure how to end up in the buggy situation
[16:36] <seb128> mvo, my guess is that those users install binary drivers that then get remove from the archive because they are replaced by newer versions
[16:36] <mvo> seb128: yeah, the thing is - we should probably not display it if there is no candidate as it also means that the user won't be able to install it :)
[16:37] <mvo> seb128: yeah, that would make sense,
[16:38] <seb128> mvo, well, the list includes packages installed/in use
[16:39] <seb128> mvo, you can't drop the driver in use just because it's not on the server anymore :p
[16:39] <seb128> mvo, I was curious why dropping the apt source was not enough to end up with no candidate though
[16:39] <mvo> seb128: aha, yeah, that makes sense, you could display the summary of the installed driver in this case - wnat me to have a look?
[16:40] <mvo> seb128: normally the installed one is the candidate if there is nothing downloadable
[16:40] <seb128> mvo, sure, if you want
[16:40] <mvo> seb128: the situation that it has no candidate is unusual
[16:40] <mvo> seb128: are there more logfile or more clues available? i.e. sources.list and maybe what package/version triggered the crash?
[16:41] <mvo> seb128: is there a LP report (still can't see error.u.c :/)
[16:41] <seb128> mvo, you should ask on #ubuntu-devel about e.u.c that must be an overlook/you probably expired from some team
[16:42] <seb128> mvo, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1164927 seems to be the same
[16:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1164927 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "software-properties-gtk crashed with AttributeError in gather_device_data(): 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'summary'" [Medium,New]
[16:42] <seb128> mvo, no more info I'm afraid, but it has 1093 reports on e.u.c so it's not uncommon
[16:43] <seb128> mvo, if we need those info we can maybe an apport hook to collect them?
[16:47] <mvo> seb128: hhhmm, does the error report contains more details on error.ubuntu.com ? sources.list would be really nice
[16:48] <seb128> mvo, no, the reports are basically a copy of the launchpad one
[16:48] <seb128> we need an apport hook added to s-p if we want more info
[16:49] <seb128> mvo, you don't have an idea on how that could happen? well in any case checking for None should be good enough to avoid the apport prompts there ... do you think it's still buggy that there is no candidate?
[16:50] <seb128> mvo, to be it's likely what I said, install drivers on e.g saucy, upgrade to trusty, keep using those, oh they get deleted from the archive because e.g -304 becomes -310
[16:50] <seb128> and the install 304 becomes without candidate
[16:50] <seb128> (except that removing the source still give me a candidate there, but I don't understand apt, maybe it's cached?=
[16:52] <mpt> Laney, attente: How does this look? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LanguageAndText#sorting
[16:53] <mpt> I dropped the trickiness of removing the territory name from the unprefixed variation, to avoid accusations of imperialism :-)
[16:53] <mpt> but that still leaves you with the problem of making sure “en” ends up as “English (US)” and not “U. S. English”
[16:57] <attente> mpt, sure, i can try it
[17:00] <mvo> seb128: yeah, the part I don't quite understand is how this happens if the driver is still installed. or are we playing with /etc/apt/preferences or backports? backports might be a good explaination
[17:01] <seb128> mvo, could be, you know users, crazy bunch :p
[17:01] <mvo> haha, inded
[17:01] <mvo> indeed
[17:01] <seb128> but I don't have more infos, sorry
[17:01] <seb128> maybe pitti would have an idea
[17:01] <mvo> let go with your fix then
[17:02] <seb128> mvo, great
[17:03] <seb128> mvo, bear with me btw, trying to fix bugs in your softwares, I've a list of questions/stuff I don't understand ... ;-) (don't worry, not everything for the same day, I'm keeping other questions for other days :p)
[17:03] <seb128> mvo, oh, and for the record the 3 bugs I chased down this week, they were introduced by people merging refactoring/port to the python3 work in there and not issue in your code
[17:04] <seb128> damn hacker, taking mvo's good code and adding bugs to it!
[17:04]  * mvo hugs seb128
[17:05]  * seb128 hugs mvo back
[17:11] <Laney> doh, armhf ftbfs
[17:13] <seb128> :-(
[17:13] <Laney> I see a probable patch
[17:33]  * Laney stabs the pandaboard
[17:33] <Laney> so slow
[17:33] <Laney> quite pleased it still works though
[17:37] <larsu> after stabbing it? :P
[17:41] <Laney> moar hamsters
[17:48] <mpt> hamsterboard
[19:40] <Sweetshark> Laney, larsu: Im slightly envious of the Linux-Debian-armhf_48 tinderbox, its a ODRIOD-XU http://tinderbox.libreoffice.org/MASTER/status.html
[19:40] <larsu> Sweetshark: nice :)
[19:41]  * larsu is glad he doesn't need to deal with builders that often
[19:42] <ali1234> kenvandine: i got the gtk2 indicator working again. i did it by making it use a different dbus name, so it doesn't conflict with the gtk3 version. i figured this would just make volume control work, but to my surprise music players are still able to communicate with it. any idea why?
[19:44] <larsu> ali1234: which dbus name did you change? Music players work via MPRIS, i.e. they don't find the applet on the bus, but the applet finds them
[19:44] <ali1234> this is what i did: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6526233/
[19:44] <ali1234> i changed the top level dbus name (the one used for service activation)
[19:45] <ali1234> so that the old gtk2 backend gets loaded, instead of the rewritten gtk3 one
[19:46] <larsu> ali1234: which version is that? dbus-shared-names.h doesn't exist anymore...
[19:47] <ali1234> i'm hoping to get this SRU'd because we have a bug with 1000 heat, 100 comments, and 20 dupes, and people threatening to install mint if it isn't fixed
[19:47] <larsu> which bug is that?
[19:47] <ali1234> larsu: it's indicator-sound-gtk2 - it's still the old version
[19:47] <larsu> ah, right
[19:47] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-sound/+bug/1208204
[19:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1208204 in indicator-sound-gtk2 (Ubuntu) "indicator-sound no longer functions with xfce4-indicator-plugin" [High,Triaged]
[19:48] <larsu> ali1234: what about the other indicators? don't they have the same problem?
[19:48] <ali1234> thee's only one other gtk2 indicator left
[19:48] <larsu> hm, okay
[19:48] <ali1234> and that is appindicators
[19:48] <ali1234> it appears to still work
[19:57] <ali1234> larsu: ah, you're the one who rewrote it all :)
[19:58] <seb128> larsu, that's a leftover fork of an old version because xfce is still on the old gtk...
[19:59] <larsu> ya...
[19:59] <ali1234> so what happened indicator-sound-gtk2 is a totally different source package now, but it's set to depend on indicator-sound for the dbus service, but that dbus service is now radically different
[19:59] <ali1234> but we can't hae two dbus services with the same activation name, so i changed the activation name
[19:59] <larsu> ali1234: right, the indicator architecture changed quite a bit. Services are totally independent of gtk now (because mobile)
[20:00] <ali1234> i guess i can probably drop the dependency on indicator-sound too, and make it a totally different thing
[20:00] <larsu> seb128: we told everyone pretty early that we'll drop gtk2 support after 12.04
[20:00] <seb128> larsu, yeah, not our fault
[20:00] <ali1234> xubuntu won't even use it in 14.04
[20:00] <seb128> larsu, but xfce is still using gtk2
[20:01] <seb128> ali1234, oh, do they plan to go gtk3 or to use something else?
[20:01] <larsu> ali1234: yes, most likely. Also, indicators won't even use dbus activation anymore pretty soon
[20:01] <ali1234> gtk3 indicator support is already done upstream
[20:01] <seb128> what about xfce itself (just curious there)
[20:01] <ali1234> yes, upstream=xfce
[20:01] <ali1234> oh, ... some stuff in xfce is converted to gtk3
[20:02] <ali1234> it's ongoing
[20:02] <seb128> going to land for the LTS?
[20:02] <ali1234> hopefully
[20:02] <seb128> nice
[20:02] <ali1234> depends when they release 4.12
[20:02] <larsu> ali1234: using the new-style indicator services?
[20:03] <ali1234> larsu: hahahaha
[20:03] <ali1234> larsu: gtk3 indicators were working in saucy, then the new style indicators broke it
[20:03] <ali1234> that's why the broken gtk2 indicator got shipped :(
[20:04] <ali1234> but yes, we fixed it for the indicator3 stuff
[20:04] <larsu> ali1234: it's pretty easy to convert to the new style. There's a convinience class in libindicator for that
[20:04] <ali1234> just not in time for the release
[20:04] <larsu> :(
[20:04] <ali1234> please don't break it again
[20:04] <ali1234> at least not for the LTS
[20:05] <larsu> I think somebody already did - they depend on upstart now
[20:05] <ali1234> well, xubuntu uses upstart
[20:05] <larsu> ya, but you need to tell upstart to start the indicator processes instead of just hitting up the names on the bus
[20:05] <ali1234> doesn't the indicator3 wrapper do that?
[20:05] <larsu> don't ask me why, I'm not especially a fan of that
[20:06] <larsu> ali1234: I don't think so
[20:06]  * larsu didn't write it
[20:06] <ali1234> hmm :/
[20:06] <ali1234> well, i'll check that out, thanks
[20:06] <Laney> I restarted my gnome-panel the other day after 30 days or so and don't have some indicators any more :(
[20:06] <Laney> UPSTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
[20:06] <larsu> ali1234: talk to tedg, he has all the answers
[20:06] <Laney> (starting friday early)
[20:06] <larsu> Laney: ya. Don't get me started.
[20:06] <ali1234> yeah maybe this is why we got some bug reports of missing indicators on trusty
[20:07] <seb128> Laney, I'm surprised they still let you work here, unity hater!
[20:07] <Laney> seb128: it's alright, I'm not the worst one
[20:07] <larsu> Laney: incidentally, do you want to patch dbus/upstart so that dbus activation works via upstart?
[20:07]  * Laney looks at desrt
[20:07]  * seb128 hands larsu some hot chocolate (is that the winter version of ice cream?)
[20:07] <Laney> larsu: hahaha
[20:07] <seb128> Laney, lol
[20:07] <larsu> Laney: I hear there's even a start of a patch flying around somewhere
[20:07] <Laney> that already existed in the past you know
[20:07] <larsu> :P
[20:08] <Laney> it was in our dbus and everything
[20:08] <seb128> pitti destroyed it for us
[20:08] <Laney> and if you look for a few seconds you find a funny thread between keybuk and poettering
[20:08]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[20:08] <seb128> (he just updated dbus and didn't update the patches)
[20:08] <larsu> Laney: meh, I don't care about the details :P
[20:08] <larsu> seb128: thanks :)
[20:08] <seb128> (which is understandable, I would probably not want/be able to update those)
[20:08]  * larsu is quite content hacking on evince right now
[20:08] <Laney> no, they need to be upstream
[20:09] <seb128> Laney, there is no upstream dbus anymore with kdbus?
[20:09] <larsu> I have the feeling we'll be dbus upstream in the not-so-distant future
[20:09] <larsu> ya, what seb128 says
[20:09] <seb128> oh, larsu just stepped up
[20:09] <seb128> \o/
[20:09]  * larsu runs away
[20:10] <seb128> larsu, did you just sussssh "attente"?
[20:10] <larsu> ülol
[20:10] <seb128> yeah, that guy has a gut for picking up on challenges
[20:10] <larsu> definitely.
[20:10] <seb128> ;-)
[20:10] <larsu> attente: are you up for it? IM stuff is done, right?
[20:10] <attente> :(
[20:10] <seb128> it's almost friday, can feel it!
[20:10] <seb128> ;-)
[20:11] <attente> :'(
[20:11] <Laney> heh
[20:11] <larsu> it's Friday in some parts of the world
[20:11] <attente> lol
[20:11]  * larsu hands attente some mango sorbet
[20:11]  * seb128 hands attente some hot chocolate as well
[20:11] <seb128> we should stop being mean to him
[20:11] <larsu> ooh, nice combination!
[20:11]  * attente thinks these perks have strings attached
[20:11] <seb128> ;-)
[20:11] <larsu> attente: only one string
[20:11] <larsu> "dbus"
[20:40] <charlie> I want to start developing for ubuntu, but was wondering if its okay/suggested to develop in 14.04 daily build installation?
[20:40] <ali1234> depends what you mean by "develop"
[20:41] <ali1234> if you want to fix existing packages, 14.04 is the place to be. if you want to write new apps, not so much. at least not for your dev machine. maybe for testing machines.
[20:42] <sarnold> or if your applications are targetting 14.04 LTS as the envisioned deployment..
[20:42] <charlie> I plan to start all my dev activities on a virtual box having 14.04 daily builds so that my base ubuntu 13.10 stays safe
[20:42] <charlie> i wanna start with minor bug fixes via LP and bzr
[20:42] <ali1234> that sounds reasonable
[20:42] <charlie> bt eventually move to some app dev too
[20:44] <charlie> ok.. Thanks..
[21:14] <xclaesse> seb128, FYI, that patch is probably needed for ubuntu as well (did not test though): http://sourceforge.net/p/sofia-sip/bugs/121/
[21:15] <seb128> xclaesse, thanks
[23:59] <xnox> Laney: well done =) it's built


[00:44] <UrielVigilant> Why this dont work with lubuntu 14.04 http://paste.ubuntu.com/7280245/ and always work with 13.10, then someone here sugested me another thing http://paste.ubuntu.com/7280359/ but that dont work too. Why? Please give me a solution!
[00:44] <SonikkuAmerica> You quit last night before I could offer a suggestion: Reboot?
[00:45] <UrielVigilant> I tryed to find you , but i could nt .. i dont know why
[00:46] <UrielVigilant> the thing you told me dont worked too. as you can see...
[00:46] <UrielVigilant> SonnikkuAmerica , let me show you a picture screen....
[00:47] <UrielVigilant> sorry, in this usb persistent i dont have the app to do it.
[00:50] <SonikkuAmerica> Get scrot or something?
[00:50] <SonikkuAmerica> !info scrot
[00:50] <UrielVigilant> sudo apt-get install scrot ?
[00:50] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah
[00:51] <SonikkuAmerica> Then type "scrot" in another terminal window and find the picture in your home folder
[00:51] <UrielVigilant> ok give me a second
[00:53] <UrielVigilant> SonikkuAmerica    http://paste.ubuntu.com/7288060/
[00:53] <UrielVigilant> somthing is wrong
[00:54] <SonikkuAmerica> UrielVigilant: [ sudo rm -rf /var/lib/dpkg/lock && sudo apt-get update ]
[00:54] <SonikkuAmerica> and then try again
[00:54] <Unit193> SonikkuAmerica: Err, may want to make sure nothing is locking it for a reason?(!!)
[00:54] <UrielVigilant> ok
[00:55] <SonikkuAmerica> Unit193: Fair enough.
[00:55] <SonikkuAmerica> UrielVigilant: First check to see if you have another package manager open though
[00:56] <Unit193> sudo lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[00:57] <UrielVigilant>  SonnikkuAmerica  problems again  http://paste.ubuntu.com/7288087/
[00:57] <LarrySteeze> ianorlin: FWIW, I reinstalled lubuntu on their machine from scratch today, and it boots now with no issue.
[00:58] <SonikkuAmerica> UrielVigilant: You should have listened to Unit193
[00:58] <SonikkuAmerica> he was right
[00:58] <SonikkuAmerica> Now, [ sudo lsof /var/lib/apt/lists/lock ]
[01:01] <UrielVigilant> SonikkuAmerica  problems again http://paste.ubuntu.com/7288122/
[01:02] <SonikkuAmerica> Unit193: See the pastebin above, why is this?
[01:02] <Unit193> SonikkuAmerica: Those are warnings, you can ignore them.  He's on a live system.
[01:03] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh.
[01:03] <SonikkuAmerica> So they mean nothing to us.
[01:04] <UrielVigilant> Yes live persistent until i solve how to put my bcm 4311 on
[01:04] <SonikkuAmerica> UrielVigilant: Did we make sure is was a 4311? [ lspci -vnn | grep 14e4 ]
[01:07] <SonikkuAmerica> Pardon the interruption.
[01:07] <UrielVigilant> SonikkuAmerica iam sure
[01:08] <SonikkuAmerica> Well, according to lsof your other lock file is free to remove as well: [ sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/lock && sudo apt-get update ]
[01:08] <UrielVigilant> bcm 4311 http://paste.ubuntu.com/7288144/
[01:09] <UrielVigilant> ok i did it sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/lock && sudo apt-get update   now then ?
[01:09] <SonikkuAmerica> No problems occurred?
[01:09] <UrielVigilant> no lololol
[01:09] <SonikkuAmerica> !info firmware-b43-installer
[01:10] <SonikkuAmerica> [ sudo apt-get install firmware-b43-installer ]
[01:10] <SonikkuAmerica> When that's done, do [ sudo modprobe -r b43 wl brcmsmac ] and then [ sudo modprobe b43 ]
[01:14] <UrielVigilant> lubuntu@lubuntu:~$ it is on the most recent version  http://paste.ubuntu.com/7288154/
[01:15] <UrielVigilant> ok all done
[01:16] <UrielVigilant> no errors and no Wireless
[01:16] <SonikkuAmerica> UrielVigilant: Did you run the next 2 commands?
[01:17] <UrielVigilant> ye
[01:17] <UrielVigilant> yes i did
[01:18] <SonikkuAmerica> Did you restart?
[01:18] <SonikkuAmerica> No, you didn't :)
[01:18] <UrielVigilant> nOl joaninhao
[01:18] <UrielVigilant>  no i did nt
[01:18] <UrielVigilant> i will
[01:18] <UrielVigilant> give me a second, i wil be back
[01:34] <urielvigilant> sonikkuAmerica after what you told me to do, and restart i wasnt able to conecte to internet by cable
[01:34] <urielvigilant> now i have to creat a new live persisten 14.04 usb
[01:35] <urielvigilant> i think i will stay with 13.10 until someone review this problem. I think is a internal bulding problem with 14.04
[01:36] <SonikkuAmerica> Well, I know how to fix the Broadcom problem, but maybe the solution only works on hard metal
[01:36] <urielvigilant> hard metal ? you mean a hammer or so ?
[01:36] <urielvigilant> lolol
[01:37] <SonikkuAmerica> No, a hard disk
[01:38] <urielvigilant> Do you think if i install 14.04 on hard disk, it will work ?
[01:39] <SonikkuAmerica> Well, if you tether your computer to something else (like a smartphone or tablet) that can access Wi-Fi, then yes.
[01:43] <urielvigilant> where i can complain with this, to b this solved more faster ?
[01:43] <SonikkuAmerica> urielvigilant: You could file a bug against firmware-b43-installer
[01:43] <SonikkuAmerica> Just type [ ubuntu-bug firmware-b43-installer ]
[01:44] <urielvigilant> do it for me please, ok ? my english is not so good
[01:45] <SonikkuAmerica> Well, it's not really my problem... you can file the bug and send me the link and I'll try and explain a little more, maybe?
[01:46] <SonikkuAmerica> Alternatively, you can type in Google Translate and translate into English too
[01:49] <urielvigilant> you are right,. thank you anyway
[01:50] <urielvigilant> exit
[04:31] <hellslinger> hi guys, I just upgraded to lubuntu 14.04 and want to use i3 for my WM/DM. What does lubuntu use as its settings daemon, like xfce uses xfsettingsd and gnome-settings-daemon
[04:31] <hellslinger> ?
[04:50] <tonystark> facing sound issue in xubuntu need help..
[04:51] <hellslinger> tonystark: what's the issue?
[04:52] <tonystark> i dont gedt sound in system startup and shutdown
[04:52] <tonystark> using xubuntu 14.04
[04:53] <hellslinger> can you be more specific? are you talking about login sounds? when are you expecting to hear sounds
[04:54] <tonystark> login sounds .. shutdown sounds... thunderbird mail sounds and other system sounds
[04:54] <hellslinger> are you able to get them working at all?
[04:54] <hellslinger> or is it always quiet?
[04:54] <tonystark> always quite only mp3 and video got sound
[04:55] <hellslinger> open a terminal and run 'ps aux | grep pulse'. do you get any output?
[04:55] <tonystark> wait
[04:56] <tonystark> i dont get ur code plz say again
[04:56] <hellslinger> just type what is in quotes there
[04:56] <hellslinger> without the quotes, of course
[04:56] <tonystark> how to get tht line sort of thing
[04:57] <tonystark> noob u know
[04:57] <hellslinger> no prob
[04:57] <hellslinger> are you able to get to terminal?
[04:57] <tonystark> yep
[04:57] <hellslinger> ok
[04:57] <hellslinger> its easier than I made it sound, type ps aux | grep pulse
[04:58] <hellslinger> that gets a list of processes running and looks for anything named "pulse"
[04:58] <tonystark> dont scold me but i cant gedt tht straight line i get this slanting one /
[04:59] <hellslinger> haha no worries dude
[04:59] <hellslinger> it's shift + \
[04:59] <tonystark> thanks
[04:59] <hellslinger> the pipe character
[04:59] <hellslinger> I think you can copy and paste from your irc client too
[04:59] <tonystark> i did it
[04:59] <tonystark> now what?
[04:59] <tonystark> lightdm   1271  0.0  0.2 100004  4884 ?        S<l  09:59   0:00 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog
[04:59] <tonystark> tonysta+  1778  0.0  0.2  91148  5304 ?        S<l  10:00   0:00 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog
[04:59] <tonystark> tonysta+  3658  0.0  0.0   4936   824 pts/0    S+   10:29   0:00 grep --color=auto pulse
[05:00] <hellslinger> ok good, so that checks to see if the pulseaudio daemon is running, and it is
[05:00] <hellslinger> thats the process that handles the sound for those applications
[05:00] <tonystark> ohk
[05:00] <tonystark> so now?
[05:00] <hellslinger> so in the same terminal, type "sudo apt-get install pavucontrol"
[05:00] <tonystark> ok
[05:00] <hellslinger> (copy and paste)
[05:01] <tonystark> it says its already the latest version
[05:01] <tonystark> i m using xubuntu 14.04
[05:01] <hellslinger> ok good
[05:01] <hellslinger> so now run pavucontrol
[05:02] <tonystark> its where?
[05:02] <hellslinger> just type pavucontrol in the terminal
[05:02] <tonystark> sorry
[05:02] <tonystark> got it
[05:02] <tonystark> now?
[05:02] <hellslinger> the first tab in the window that shows up should be called playback
[05:02] <hellslinger> is it selected
[05:02] <hellslinger> ?
[05:02] <tonystark> yeah
[05:03] <hellslinger> you should see system sounds as the top item
[05:03] <tonystark> yep
[05:03] <tonystark> its set to 100 dcb
[05:03] <tonystark> i mean db
[05:03] <hellslinger> on the far right after the title, you should see a speaker with an X
[05:03] <hellslinger> I bet systems sounds are muted
[05:03] <tonystark> now they are not
[05:03] <hellslinger> good
[05:04] <hellslinger> changes you make in that window take effect immediately and are persistent
[05:04] <hellslinger> ok, so keep that window open
[05:04] <tonystark> ok
[05:04] <hellslinger> now try to make those apps you were talking about make some sounds
[05:04] <hellslinger> you should hear them now
[05:04] <tonystark> ok wait
[05:05] <tonystark> nopes i dont
[05:06] <hellslinger> so when programs are playing sounds, you should see some meters jumping around in the pavucontrol window
[05:06] <tonystark> they aren't anything happening
[05:06] <tonystark> what if there is no sound file?
[05:07] <hellslinger> yeah, that could be the issue
[05:07] <hellslinger> so you're in xfce... let me see what the easiest way to make app sounds is
[05:07] <tonystark> ohk
[05:09] <hellslinger> go to your xfce4-settings manager, it should be in the main "start" menu
[05:09] <tonystark> what would be there?
[05:09] <hellslinger> there is a setting to enable event sounds
[05:09] <hellslinger> by default it is off, I believe
[05:09] <tonystark> i did it not working again
[05:10] <hellslinger> did you go to appearance->settings and click enable event sounds?
[05:10] <tonystark> i mean really sorry i got it to work
[05:10] <tonystark> thanks man
[05:11] <tonystark> thank u
[05:11] <hellslinger> oh haha, good!
[05:11] <hellslinger> was it that checkbox?
[05:11] <tonystark> no it took a bit and suddenly a pop up sound came
[05:11] <hellslinger> how are you connected to your speakers?
[05:11] <hellslinger> digital audio or analog connection?
[05:11] <tonystark> i got 3.5mm jack cable
[05:12] <hellslinger> just a regular headphone connection?
[05:12] <tonystark> yep
[05:12] <hellslinger> ahh ok
[05:12] <tonystark> thanks for helping this noob
[05:12] <hellslinger> not a problem, glad I was able to help
[05:13] <tonystark> can u wait
[05:13] <tonystark> i see after restarting if the sound comes
[05:13] <hellslinger> I'll be around
[05:13] <tonystark> or not
[05:13] <tonystark> thank
[05:15] <tonystark> i m bck
[05:16] <hellslinger> any luck
[05:16] <tonystark> nopes...
[05:16] <tonystark> but works some tym for a beep
[05:16] <tonystark> at xchat
[05:17] <hellslinger> so what sound are you expecting that you aren't hearing?
[05:18] <tonystark> i heard some says there is a spund at the login and logout
[05:18] <tonystark> u know the way in windows
[05:19] <hellslinger> yeah, I'm not sure if xubuntu has those sounds, I've never used them
[05:20] <tonystark> nvr mind i got the sound for mails atleast
[05:20] <tonystark> problem is solved
[05:20] <tonystark> i m good now
[05:20] <tonystark> pheww.
[05:20] <hellslinger> I believe you can install some of those login sounds
[05:20] <hellslinger> if you want
[05:21] <tonystark> i'll see u know tough for a noob to configure all those things
[05:22] <hellslinger> it's not very difficult if you want to try
[05:22] <hellslinger> no guarantee it'll install the sounds you want, but it won't harm anything to try
[05:22] <tonystark> ohk u gonna help then  i m ready
[05:24] <hellslinger> ok, opena  terminal again
[05:24] <hellslinger> then sudo apt-get install ubuntu-sounds
[05:25] <tonystark> kk
[05:25] <tonystark> unable to locate package sounds
[05:27] <hellslinger> hmm
[05:28] <hellslinger> did you type exactly that?
[05:28] <tonystark> yep
[05:28] <hellslinger> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-sounds
[05:28] <hellslinger> try again, copy and paste this time
[05:28] <Unit193> !info ubuntu-sounds
[05:28] <tonystark> working now
[05:29] <hellslinger> did it download and install things?
[05:29] <tonystark> setting up done
[05:29] <tonystark> yep
[05:29] <hellslinger> ok good
[05:30] <tonystark> so should i try again?
[05:31] <tonystark> wait trying
[05:33] <tonystark> no luck
[05:47] <hellslinger> so if you were using Unity (regular ubuntu) you would have more control of event sounds
[05:47] <hellslinger> but I think xubuntu only has limited control and use of that, so I think this might be the most you can do with xubuntu
[05:50] <Unit193> lxsession is as close to a settingsd that LXDE uses, that I can think of at least.
[05:50] <tonystark> ohk
[05:50] <tonystark> i feell like fucked up
[05:50] <tonystark> shit xubuntu
[05:50] <tonystark> but i tried with dconf editor
[05:50] <tonystark> hope it works
[05:50] <Unit193> tonystark: Please keep it family friendly.  Also, I think you've confused #lubuntu with #xubuntu ?
[05:51] <tonystark> whatever u dont get it after 2 hours of trying i get nothing
[05:55] <hellslinger> Unit193: ahh ok, I was hoping to use whatever facility that lubuntu had for i3
[05:55] <hellslinger> xfsettingsd was breaking some power management stuff in 14.04 for me
[05:55] <Unit193> Can't just s/openbox/i3/ ? :P
[05:56] <hellslinger> haha
[05:56] <hellslinger> nope
[05:56] <hellslinger> i3 is pure keyboard bliss, though openbox is great if you like lightweight + mouse ;)
[05:57] <wxl> bah, awesome ftw but i like i3lock
[05:57] <hellslinger> awesome seems pretty great, but I prefer to control my own layouts
[05:57] <hellslinger> spirals aren't how I think :P
[05:58] <wxl> you can tweak it however you want
[05:58] <wxl> config is essentially a lua script
[05:59] <hellslinger> in awesome, can you split windows and tile them on the fly? I've never really found a way to dynamically control that with awesome
[05:59] <wxl> with awesome there's little you can't do
[05:59] <hellslinger> well....
[06:00] <hellslinger> with assembly, a microprocessor, and a keyboard, there's nothing you can't do
[06:00] <hellslinger> but (insert clever comment about inventing wheels)
[06:00]  * wxl facepalms
[06:01] <hellslinger> well so a more legitimate question, what does awesome do that i3 can't do?
[06:03] <wxl> it's not about that. awesome is no more than you need. not as extreme as ratpoison, dwm, or stumpwm in its minimalism, but simple enough. like lubuntu, it's a good balance.
[06:03] <wxl> i3 is the unity of tiling wms ;)
[06:03] <hellslinger> oooh come now
[06:05] <hellslinger> awesome is the toilet bowl of wms (everything is a spiral)
[06:05] <wxl> there's one spiral and it's as easy as "--" to remove
[06:06] <hellslinger> then it becomes a pile :)
[09:00] <raalex> Good Morning
[10:07] <raalex> I am having a bit of a ridiculous question
[10:08] <raalex> with the last update i seem to be unable to choose the wifi network i connect to via the gui
[10:08] <raalex> it used to be just clicking and then it changed, but now I am unable to change it
[10:08] <raalex> unless I delete the other wifi, which I don't want to
[10:09] <raalex> since I need both, on different occasions
[10:11] <raalex> If I click on the panel it shows all the networks, when I click the one I want to connect to it asks me for the key
[10:11] <raalex> but then it doesn't connect
[10:14] <raalex> this just sounds ridiculous
[11:40] <Sk1d> raalex: you have to right click choos add to panel and then add network configuration (or something simular my Systemlanguage is German) then you can choose you wlan
[11:42] <Sk1d> raalex: or just use "nm-applet"
[11:45] <Sk1d> raalex: see: http://askubuntu.com/questions/449709/network-indicator-disappeared-in-lubuntu
[11:46] <Sk1d> I hope this behavouir whill change until 14.04.1 is ther already a bug issue open to follow?
[11:51] <Sk1d> a found it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/1296243
[12:10] <raalex> Hi Sk1d
[12:10] <raalex> thanks, but I have the icon added
[12:10] <raalex> it just does not do anything but shows me all the networks it finds
[12:10] <raalex> I cannot change to a different one
[12:11] <woshty> Hey, what can blank an X other than xscreensaver? I basically did a update-manager update to 14.04 and something blanks my X in a way that I have to switch to text console first, then back to X to get a picture.
[12:12] <raalex> I'll look into other options though, thanks
[12:12] <raalex> that thread looks helpful
[12:26] <woshty> xset dpms force off produces the same result.
[13:19] <sandman13> where to download Lubuntu LTS?
[13:31] <Sk1d> the internet?
[13:32] <Sk1d> !lubuntu
[13:32] <sandman13> Lubuntu 14.04
[13:33] <sandman13> LTS
[13:37] <Sk1d> see sction get lubuntu
[13:37] <Sk1d> *section
[14:11] <woshty> Is anyone actually using light-locker?
[15:02] <urielvigilant> Something is very wrong with this 14.04 and bcm 4311, because with 13.10 it use to work only installing the linux-firmware-nonfree and edit the blacklist.conf and put a # before this sentence. But with this Lubuntu 14.04 i tryed all of this http://paste.ubuntu.com/7292079/ and nothing put it my bcm 43 11 On never . Thanks GOD iam experiment in a usb live persitent usb 4 Gb, other wise i..
[15:57] <raalex> thanks for your help Sk1d, it worked, everything is fine now
[15:58] <raalex> I am just a little bit too bad at using search engines it seems
[15:58] <micky> Hi
[16:00] <micky> I got two questions about the Lubuntu / Ubuntu minimal install:1) is automatic security updates recommended? Under "Method" here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall it says "Updates - Select 'No Automatic Updates' [See note 3]." Why?
[16:03] <micky> And the other question is: I want to end up with Lubuntu Core. Therefore I have to install Ubuntu Minimal and then get the lubuntu.core package. There is a screen titled "software selection" (you can see it here http://amjjawad.blogspot.de/2013/07/ubuntu-mini-iso-installation-process.html point 27). Which one do I select here when I want to end up
[16:03] <micky> with lubuntu core?
[16:09] <raalex> I wish I could help you
[16:09] <raalex> but if you have some patience, someone who has a clue is eventually gonna show up :)
[16:17] <micky> sure
[16:17] <micky> thx
[16:39] <koell> lubuntu <3
[16:39] <VanKush> hello everyone
[16:40] <VanKush> please can anyone advise me how do i change keyboard layouts available in the LDM greeter?
[17:07] <koell> VanKush: in the top right corner i think?
[17:12] <VanKush> koell: that is where they are listed, but i need a layout that is not there yet
[19:27] <ma5t3rw1tt> I have a quick question. I have found documentation about the reasoning why Hibernate is disabled by default. I have reanabled it but its showing only for Ubuntu and I am running Lubuntu, any help for this?
[19:36] <ianorlin> ma5t3rw1tt: when on both lubuntu and unity ubuntu on same login or did you install as a dual boot on two seperate partitions?
[19:37] <ma5t3rw1tt> I just have Lubuntu installed only
[19:37] <ianorlin> you mean on boot the menu says ubuntu when first booting?
[19:38] <ma5t3rw1tt> No it shows Lubuntu, what I said about the documentation is re enabling hibernation.
[19:38] <ianorlin> I think it is the same as they share components just different desktop environment
[19:39] <ma5t3rw1tt> Hmmm well when I did that and restarted the compute, I clicked on Hibernate from the menu and I getGDBus.Error
[19:40] <ma5t3rw1tt> but I was able to in the terminal, I was able to make it go to Hibernate by typing pm-hibernate
[19:41] <ma5t3rw1tt> I was thinking on possibly making a script for the "pm-hibernate" command but I not sure how I would do it, cause I tried to make a .desktop file linking to a .sh script I made and well that didn't go well
[19:42] <ianorlin> you could do hibernate maybe as a keyboard shortcut
[19:43] <ma5t3rw1tt> Well I use my phone to control my computer. I am using this computer as a HTPC, so I use my phone or tablet mainly for input
[19:44] <ma5t3rw1tt> If I could find a way to make a script that I could turn into a shortcut on the desktop, I could just double click that when I wanna hibernate the computer
[19:45] <ma5t3rw1tt> The reason I need Hibernate is because Wake On Lan don't work for this computer when its shut off completely and the suspend keeps all the lights on the computer going and nothing on the screen
[19:48] <SonikkuAmerica> ma5t3rw1tt: Do you have swap space?
[19:48] <ma5t3rw1tt> yes
[19:48] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh oh oh, I see what you're trying to do
[19:49] <SonikkuAmerica> The command is [ pmi action hibernate ]
[19:49] <SonikkuAmerica> But first, you need the powermanagement-interface package
[19:49] <SonikkuAmerica> !info powermanagement-interface
[19:50] <ma5t3rw1tt> so i need to install that?
[19:51] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah
[19:52] <ma5t3rw1tt> OK I just installed that just now
[19:52] <SonikkuAmerica> And now all you need to do is create a .desktop file that has [ pmi action hibernate ] in the exec line
[19:53] <SonikkuAmerica> !shortcut
[19:53] <SonikkuAmerica> Um, well...
[19:53] <SonikkuAmerica> That was not the factoid I was looking for
[19:53] <ma5t3rw1tt> Well I don't need a keyboard shortcut, a Desktop shortcut would suffice
[19:53] <ma5t3rw1tt> But lemme see about creating that .Desktop file and trying that out
[19:54] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh right. /facepalm
[19:54] <SonikkuAmerica> You wanted a KEYBOARD shorcut
[19:54] <SonikkuAmerica> *shortcut
[19:55] <ma5t3rw1tt> lol no keyboard shortcut, just a simple desktop shortcut
[19:55] <SonikkuAmerica> Gah! I'm confusing myself!
[19:55] <ma5t3rw1tt> lol
[19:56] <ma5t3rw1tt> now I make the .desktop executable by chmod +x correct?
[19:56] <SonikkuAmerica> So yeah, create an empty file on the desktop, name it whatever.desktop (something meaningful, anyway)
[19:56] <SonikkuAmerica> Yes
[19:56] <ma5t3rw1tt> ok I thought so, one moment
[19:56] <SonikkuAmerica> Add +x to it, then double-click it
[19:56] <reblues> ma5t3rw1tt, have you tried to just drag the program from lkde menu to desktop?
[19:57] <ma5t3rw1tt> @reblues - I'll figure that out once I get the shortcut working
[19:57] <ma5t3rw1tt> ok here goes *fingers crossed*
[19:57] <SonikkuAmerica> reblues: You do realize he'd have to drag a terminal command, not a program
[19:57] <ianorlin> might need to copy the .desktop command somewhere into menu
[19:57] <ianorlin> or .desktop file
[19:57] <ma5t3rw1tt> I doubled clicked the icon, nothing worked
[19:58] <SonikkuAmerica> Lemme try something over here.
[19:58] <ma5t3rw1tt> alrighty ^_^
[19:58] <reblues> then he may add lxterminal before the command in the desktop file I fuess
[19:58] <reblues> I guess
[19:58] <ma5t3rw1tt> yeah lemme try that
[19:58] <ma5t3rw1tt> ok here goes
[19:59] <ma5t3rw1tt> pfft nothing
[19:59] <ma5t3rw1tt> in the exec - I did lexterminal pmi action hibernate
[19:59] <ma5t3rw1tt> *lxterminal pmi action hibernate
[20:01] <reblues> Uhmm have you tried the command pm-hibernate
[20:01] <ma5t3rw1tt> Don't that need sudo if I gonna use that in a shortcut?
[20:03] <reblues> Yes I guess so,
[20:03] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah, use [ sudo pm-hibernate ]
[20:03] <ma5t3rw1tt> do i need the [] in the command?
[20:03] <SonikkuAmerica> No, that just denotes terminal input in IRC (style choice)
[20:03] <SonikkuAmerica> Many people use quotes, I use [ ]
[20:04] <ma5t3rw1tt> i double click on my .desktop and nothing happens
[20:04] <SonikkuAmerica> So the Exec= line could be "lxterminal -e 'sudo pm-hibernate'"
[20:04] <ma5t3rw1tt> ok lemme try that
[20:04] <SonikkuAmerica> ma5t3rw1tt: Did you set the Type= to Application?
[20:04] <ma5t3rw1tt> haha it was set to false
[20:05] <ma5t3rw1tt> oops
[20:05] <ma5t3rw1tt> wait no, I had the words Terminal=false
[20:05] <ma5t3rw1tt> does that matter?
[20:07] <ma5t3rw1tt> ok that works, now its asking for a password, anyway to have that automatically put in?
[20:08] <ma5t3rw1tt> it pop up a terminal window asking for a password
[20:08] <SonikkuAmerica> ma5t3rw1tt: That would compromise security
[20:08] <ma5t3rw1tt> I am the only person using this computer
[20:09] <SonikkuAmerica> Fair enough, but you'd still have to input the user password no matter what
[20:09] <ma5t3rw1tt> hmm
[20:10] <reblues> or log as root but thats dangerous, you may delete all system
[20:10] <ma5t3rw1tt> reblues: Yeah that would be bad as I just spend an hour and half setting up drivers
[20:11] <ma5t3rw1tt> Well I thank you guys very much for the help
[20:11] <ma5t3rw1tt> I'll get creative and find something
[20:35] <ma5t3rw1tt> I got it work
[20:35] <ma5t3rw1tt> @SonikkuAmerica: I got it work
[20:37] <ma5t3rw1tt> @SonikkuAmerica: It was a long command but it worked when I added it to the exec area. Now I just need to move this file to the desktop and I'll be golden
[20:37] <SonikkuAmerica> Yay!
[20:37] <ma5t3rw1tt> wanna know the code I used?
[20:41] <ianorlin> !paste
[20:41] <SonikkuAmerica> Sure! Dump it in a pastebin
[20:43] <ma5t3rw1tt> Here ya go
[20:43] <ma5t3rw1tt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7294273/
[20:43] <ma5t3rw1tt> This does not prompt for my login like the other commands did
[20:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Well, OK, a DBus command
[20:45] <ma5t3rw1tt> Yeah, fixed the hibernate, now I trying to get my shortcut I made onto the desktop
[20:45] <ma5t3rw1tt> i got it moved to /usr/share/applications
[20:48] <ma5t3rw1tt> nvm, I fixed it