[03:58] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: let it go man, this is what you said only after I said that you are wrong
[03:58] <jake> when  I try to install libxfixes-dev I get this error:ibxfixes-dev:
[03:58] <jake>   Depends: libxfixes3 (=1:<IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu3) but 1:4.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[03:58] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: I do believe I stated I was wrong....shall I paste that again
[03:58] <jake> I have all the repos uncommented in my source.list
[03:59] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: You're the one that needs to let it go and do whatever it is you need to do to get your module loaded on boot
[03:59] <Jucato> guys.. chill out...
[03:59] <skavenge> or pay for support
[03:59] <Jucato> or please, take it to #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[03:59] <LeeJunFan> or #kubuntu-smackdown
[03:59] <abattoir> heh
[03:59] <xcyborg> ok, I'm letting it go
[04:00] <jake> xcyborg what are you having trouble with?
[04:00] <xcyborg> so, after all, conntrack_ftp is loaded whenever a ftp connection is established or should I load the module manually ?
[04:00] <Hawkwind> He wants a module to load at every boot.  So I told him he might need to edit a file
[04:00] <zepelin> Jucato: which is the alternate version purpose?
[04:00] <Hawkwind> Alternative is the full desktop version.  Desktop version is the Live CD
[04:01] <Jucato> zepelin: the Alternate Install CD, which is also an installer, can be used as a sort of offline repository
[04:01] <Jucato> zepelin: meaning you can install build-essential without an internet connection :)
[04:01] <xcyborg> the question is: if it is loaded automatically then it is useless to load it manually, isn't it ?
[04:02] <zepelin> so that will solve my problem
[04:03] <Dr_Willis> assuming you can even get the drivers compiled.. :P
[04:03] <Jucato> zepelin: yep. but it would requrie you to 1) download that ISO and 2) burn it...
[04:03] <Dr_Willis> you will also most likely need to install the kernel source for your kernel.
[04:03] <zepelin> yes, I'm already downloading it
[04:03] <Jucato> I think the linux headers are installed by default...
[04:04] <zepelin> and I'll need to install it
[04:04] <Dr_Willis> actually he could just mount the iso file.. and copy its .debs over th the apt cache dir
[04:04] <jake> there is a howto on the forum about installing lm-sensors it points the files which need edited to load modules at boot time.  I belive you have to run update-modules afterward but that may be wrong.
[04:05] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: but he'd need to know what the exact .debs are
[04:05] <Dr_Willis> --> /var/cache/apt/archives
[04:05] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,  copy them all. :P
[04:05] <zepelin> Jucato: that's another problem, I can't install the linux-headers in the Desktop version
[04:05] <Jucato> zepelin: it isn't installed by default? I think they are?
[04:05] <Dr_Willis> i just saw a site on how to make a cdrom be used as a repo.
[04:05] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: yes.. apt-cdrom add
[04:05] <abattoir> Dr_Willis: apt-cdrom ?
[04:05] <zepelin> Dr_Willis: really?
[04:05] <Dr_Willis> Nice Blog on how to install stuff in Ubuntu Dapper --> http://monkeyblog.org/ubuntu/installing/
[04:07] <Dr_Willis> http://cargol.net/~ramon/ubuntu-dvd-en  - seems to have complete mirror of the repos on dvd images. :P
[04:07] <Hawkwind> Dr_Willis: Only thing about that URL is that a lot of it won't work in KDE since it's Ubuntu specific so it could/would confuse the Kubuntu user
[04:07] <Dr_Willis> nifty!
[04:07] <Dr_Willis> Hawkwind,  which is why i perfer things taht use the shell/commands. not the idiot-guis
[04:07] <Dr_Willis> but that 2nd url has potential..
[04:07] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: Please keep the conversation within this channel and don't pm people without permission
[04:08] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: and for your knowledge: the main difference between insmod and modprobe is the fact that modprobe loads a module _including_ all dependencies while insmod simply loads a _single_ module
[04:08] <Dr_Willis> bummer the download urls are .torrents
[04:08] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: so please read the docs before making stupid statements like:
[04:08] <Hawkwind> Dr_Willis: Nice.  I do like that second URL
[04:08] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: Enough is enough, drop it
[04:08] <Dr_Willis> Hawkwind,  yea. but egads using torrents will take a while for someone to get them all.
[04:08] <xcyborg> [16:38:18]  <Hawkwind> xcyborg: FYI....modprobe has nothing to do with deps at all
[04:08] <Hawkwind> xcyborg: If you want to bash and troll, go elsewhere but not here
[04:08] <zepelin> ok, now I have my EXT2 Installable drivers
[04:09] <zepelin> I can read and write into an EXT2 partition
[04:09] <Hawkwind> Dr_Willis: Depends on your connection.  I can download 4.4GB in less than an hour :P
[04:09] <zepelin> that will help
[04:09] <Dr_Willis> Hawkwind,  if you got the people shareing the stuff..
[04:09] <Jucato> zepelin: hopefully...
[04:09] <xcyborg> Hawkwind: admitting that you are just showing off in here without knowing very much is me trolling ? OK, I rest my case
[04:09] <miyako> I just moved, my new ISP throttles torrents to an unbearably slow speed
[04:10] <miyako> and seems to throttle the entire connection if your running BT
[04:10] <saki> Nother quick question, anyone know how to get Firefox to open *.php webpages as webpages?
[04:10] <miyako> saki - you mean locally?
[04:10] <saki> yup
[04:10] <miyako> saki you have to install PHP and Apache
[04:12] <larson9999> linux rocks!
[04:12] <Jucato> heh :)
[04:12] <jake> how does one go about getting a list of available channels
[04:12] <jake> ?
[04:12] <miyako> you know, it would be useful to have something like a tiny integrated web browser / server / php interpreter to test PHP scrips locally w/o having to install apache and PHP
[04:12] <miyako> I think one of the commercial IDEs does that
[04:12] <Jucato> jake: /list.... but be prepared... it's a long list...
[04:13] <saki> i think slackware spoiled me
[04:13] <saki> V_V All my problems in Kubuntu seem to just be me forgetting to install packages
[04:13] <miyako> yeah, I've run into that too
[04:14] <miyako> comming from Suse with it's 5 disk install to Kubuntu, there are a lot of things I took for granted as just being there
[04:14] <Dr_Willis> 5 disks is getting a little extreme. :P
[04:14] <miyako> on the other hand, I know that I don't have a lot of useless stuff lying around on my system- or rather that I put all of the useless stuff there
[04:14] <miyako> Dr_Willis - that's nothing, version 9.3 came with 2 DVDs
[04:14] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: if that's extreme,, what about 14 CD's?
[04:14] <miyako> 10.0 was 5 CDs or 1 DVD
[04:15] <Dr_Willis> then the first Update you do - updates/downloads another 3gb of stuff. :)
[04:15] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: err.... don't you update only what you have installed?
[04:15] <Jucato> you don't install all 5 CD's...
[04:15] <Dr_Willis> Jucato,  if you just installd them all like a newbie may... :P they got huge updates
[04:15] <Jucato> I mean, you don't install all the contents of those 5...
[04:15] <miyako> I always installed a lot of stuff I never used "just in case"
[04:16] <Dr_Willis> Just in case. :P lol
[04:16] <Dr_Willis> gotta love cheap hard drives
[04:16] <Jucato> Dr_Willis: if basing from my installation experience in Fedore Core, you
[04:16] <Jucato> you're given choices on what to install
[04:16] <Dr_Willis> 'install everything ' check!
[04:16] <lupine_85> Jucato: SuSE is a pain
[04:16] <xwolf-> is there a .deb package with a program similar to this? http://monkeyblog.org/ubuntu/installing/Graph.png
[04:16] <Dr_Willis> :)
[04:16] <zepelin> ok, I'll burn the alternate version and I'll try. Many thanks to everyone!
[04:16] <Jucato> and depending on those choices will be which CD's will be used...
[04:16] <Dr_Willis> i recall swaping out cd's ages ago for some brain dead installer.
[04:17] <Jucato> lupine_85: I haven't tried it yet... but it's really personal preference..
[04:17] <miyako> there are a lot of things about suse that I liked
[04:17] <lupine_85> yes... I prefer no unmentioned services (ssh!) running by default :)
[04:17] <jake> yes it is
[04:17] <miyako> I'm not entired convinced that I like kubuntu better, but I do like it at least as well
[04:17] <lupine_85> I also prefer working package management
[04:17] <miyako> *entirely
[04:17] <jake> I have some software specific questions where is the best place to go?
[04:18] <Jucato> jake: what do you mean "software specific questions"?
[04:18] <Jucato> xwolf-: does the site mention what program that is?
[04:19] <jake> I am having some dependency issues with libxfixes-dev and asscociated packages
[04:19] <xwolf-> Jucato it says it's a windows application, "Graph", under wine
[04:19] <Jucato> xwolf-: then you'll need wine for that... I'm not sure if there's a Linux equivalent of that program...
[04:19] <jake> I am trying to install gnome 2.16 and it is also needed to compile a kernel with xconfig
[04:19] <Healot> !ask
[04:19] <Healot> damn I love factoids
[04:19] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:19] <saki> Anyone know of a good alternative to Photoshop, besides GIMP?
[04:20] <xwolf-> Jucato i don't know how to call that kind of program, so i put just 'graph' in adept, but it is too wide
[04:20] <miyako> saki - there is "gimpshop" which is gimp with a photoshop-like gui
[04:20] <rioux602> Can someone help me installing limewire ???
[04:20] <Jucato> jake: hm....
[04:21] <Jucato> !limewire
[04:21] <ubotu> limewire is a popular P2P client running on the Gnutella network. To get it running, install !java first, then download Limewire from http://www.limewire.com/LimeWireSoftOther and finally run runLime.sh. Consider !FrostWire as an alternative.
[04:21] <Jucato> !frostwire
[04:21] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[04:21] <miyako> but really, I just run Photoshop 7 under crossover office, and CS2 under OS X on my iBook
[04:21] <rioux602> thx
[04:21] <miyako> anyone know how easy it is to install Linux on an iMac?
[04:21] <jake> rioux602 frostwire is available through automatix also
[04:22] <miyako> I was thinking of getting one of those new 24" iMacs and dual booting kubuntu and OS X
[04:22] <Jucato> jake: trying to install GNOME 2.16. on Kubuntu?
[04:22] <jake> no I have gnome and kde installed
[04:22] <jake> I like to tinker/test
[04:22] <Jucato> hm...
[04:23] <vlt> Hello. I want to extract images from a PDF file. I tried `pdfimages -j foo.pdf image-` but nothing happens. Trying the same on Debian with the same PDF file works. What is different here?
[04:23] <Jucato> jake: you might want to try searching in the forums if there are any guides to installing GNOME 2.16
[04:23] <xwolf-> !nvidia
[04:23] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:23] <Jucato> vlt: silly queston, is pdfimages installed?
[04:23] <xwolf-> !sound
[04:23] <ubotu> If sound is not working, first try system -> prefrences -> multimedia system selector change it to alsa. If you still have problems then look at http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems
[04:23] <Jucato> or does Ubuntu even have them?
[04:24] <jake> its the libxfixes that holds me up there are several dependancies in the read me that must be met
[04:24] <jake> I am using garGnome
[04:24] <Jucato> jake: maybe some people in the forums have experienced that too...
[04:24] <Jucato> http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[04:24] <jake> yes I will try
[04:24] <Jucato> try doing a search
[04:26] <rioux602> can someone help me with limewire ? i dowloaded it.. now i need to install :(
[04:28] <Rhodri> hi, i'm trying to download packages for kubuntu from the ubuntu package repository from a windows machine, but i just get the .deb. files.   how can i get the real packages so i can transfer them to my other computer to install?
[04:28] <Healot> that .deb file is the real package :-
[04:29] <Rhodri> oh right.  i see, it's just it was really small so i thought it was some kind of info file.
[04:29] <abattoir> Rhodri: what are you exactly trying to download?
[04:29] <Rhodri> well...
[04:29] <Healot> what's was the thing you're trying to install
[04:30] <abattoir> Rhodri: it could be a meta-package... a package which depends on 'other' packages(and makes sure they are downloaded and installed)
[04:30] <Rhodri> i have installed kubuntu on my laptop on another partition, but networking doesn't work yet and i need to download the kernel headers package to compile the right driver.
[04:30] <Jucato> ack...
[04:30] <Jucato> not catch-22 again...
[04:30] <Rhodri> so i need to download what i need from windows, which i can then access when i boot into kubuntu and install
[04:31] <Rhodri> the package is kernel-headers-386 is that's any help?
[04:31] <Healot> just that single package, no...
[04:31] <halfbloodprince> hey, people
[04:32] <Jucato> hi severus snape!
[04:32] <Healot> that package has many dependencies. A LOT
[04:32] <halfbloodprince> hey Jucato :)
[04:32] <miyako> hey, a fellow potter fan?
[04:32] <Rhodri> ack.  so will i need to follow those dependencies manually?  and download it all individually?
[04:33] <abattoir> as cartman would say "Harry ***** ******* Potter"
[04:33] <Jucato> Rhodri: or you can try to download the Alternate Install CD to use it as an offline repository..
[04:33] <abattoir> sorry, couldnt resist that one :P
[04:33] <vlt> Jucato: Good question ;-) Yes, pdfimages (v3.00) is installed. There's no error output but no image files are created.
[04:33] <halfbloodprince> hey, miyako: yes, a total harry potter fanatic here
[04:33] <gekko`> what's the default font of OOo writer?
[04:33] <Healot> Rhodri: can you follow all the dependencies manually?
[04:33] <Rhodri> uurr...  how many will there be?  and is it obvious?  if i can just install the alt-cd then that's fine.
[04:33] <Healot> I can, but I don't think you can do that :-)
[04:34] <Jucato> Rhodri: just one Alternate Install CD...
[04:34] <miyako> halfbloodprince - me too, I was thinking of making a harry potter Linux distro, which would be a regular distro with simlinks to regular utilities named after spells
[04:34] <rioux602> Starting LimeWire...
[04:34] <rioux602> Java exec found in PATH. Verifying...
[04:34] <rioux602> OOPS, you don't seem to have a valid JRE.
[04:34] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: I have a couple of questions regarding Ubuntu and my internet connection.. can you help me out?
[04:34] <miyako> so instead of "rm filename" you would type "avadakedavra filename"
[04:34] <Healot> !java
[04:34] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[04:34] <halfbloodprince> miyako: that seems like a fun idea :D
[04:34] <miyako> or instead of "chmod -x filename" it would be "expeliarmus filename"
[04:34] <rioux602> ok :)
[04:34] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: if I couldn't, a lot here will be able to help
[04:35] <abattoir> gekko`: it's Times New Roman for me... i have msttcorefonts installed
[04:35] <Jucato> rioux602: follow that link, and go to tjhe section about choosing the Java version
[04:35] <Rhodri> ok, i'll try my luck with the alt cd, thanks for the help Jucato!! :D
[04:35] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: My ISP requires me to 'log in' to the internet, using a client application they provide.. if I install Kubuntu, how do I get past this?
[04:35] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: ADSL PPPoE?
[04:35] <MitchM_> PPPoA?
[04:35] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: Huh? Come again?
[04:35] <Healot> harry (hairy) potter (pothead)
[04:35] <vlt> Jucato: Now I tested on another ubuntu Dapper machine. It's the same: no files output.
[04:36] <miyako> halfbloodprince you *might* be able to run it under Wine, it is probably PPPoE, and I am sure there are way s to connect to PPPoE in Linux
[04:36] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: what type of internet connection?
[04:36] <gekko`> abattoir: well, i've got the same. but i knew that there was another font
[04:36] <Jucato> for ADSL PPPoE types, you can use pppoeconf...
[04:36] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: Well, I'm connected using my LAN, it's a broadband connection (sorry, newbie here)
[04:37] <miyako> halfbloodprince: DSL?
[04:37] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: you're only require to enter a username and password?
[04:38] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: Yes, only a username and password.. and I have to enter some IP addresses and stuff in my network settings, but that's normal
[04:38] <Jucato> oh.. pppoeconf only asks for a username and password... I'm not sure about IP addresses
[04:39] <halfbloodprince> IP addresses are set up in order to use the LAN.. gateway, etc
[04:39] <miyako> halfbloodprince: it's a long shot, but you might try calling them and asking them if they can tell you (maybe off the record) how to connect with Linux
[04:40] <miyako> you might get additional cooperation if you intone that if they are uncooperative you will find another ISP
[04:40] <halfbloodprince> miyako: I don't think so.. I had used SuSE Linux 10 a while ago.. and I had found a linux version of the same application.. and I had to use it to log in.. and entered my network settings using YaSt
[04:41] <miyako> or, you might look into getting a firewall/router and setting it up to connect, then connecting through the firewall/router
[04:41] <halfbloodprince> miyako: but I was just wondering if there was an easier way, because the Linux version of the app requires me to login using some elaborate commands
[04:41] <halfbloodprince> hmm..
[04:41] <miyako> halfbloodprince you could also always just write a script to do it
[04:42] <halfbloodprince> I'm not adept at programming :)
[04:42] <halfbloodprince> Sorry if I come off as a total newbie
[04:42] <Jucato> heh no need to apologize
[04:43] <miyako> halfbloodprince: no, it's no problem.  A shell script is pretty easy to do
[04:43] <Jucato> newbies are more than welcome here.
[04:43] <halfbloodprince> last time when I installed suse, the people in the Suse channel flamed me for being such a n00b
[04:43] <miyako> you basically just type what you would type into the command line into a file
[04:43] <Jucato> they're also cuddled to death
[04:43] <Jucato> so is there a newbie here who needs welcoming and cuddling to death?
[04:43] <MItchM> halfbloodprine: what type of DSL modem do you use right now?
[04:44] <miyako> most of the people who use suse are either: A: long time admins who deal with really dumb users all day, or B: noobs who insult you for asking a question so it looks like they know the answer
[04:45] <halfbloodprince> miyako: heh
[04:45] <miyako> dunno why so many of those two groups of people, but it seems to be the way it is
[04:45] <Jucato> well, not that I agree or disagree with you, but there will always be some people like those in a community
[04:45] <halfbloodprince> I quit Suse coz i didn't like the font rendering.. plus the lack of graphic apps that are compatible with photoshop
[04:46] <ErikTheRed> anyone else having problems connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com?
[04:46] <MItchM> halfbloodprine: Who is yuor ISP?
[04:46] <MItchM> your*
[04:46] <ErikTheRed> i'm actually at school right
[04:46] <ErikTheRed> now
[04:46] <ErikTheRed> it's purdue
[04:46] <halfbloodprince> MItchM: You wouldn't have heard of them :)
[04:47] <MItchM> halfbloodprine: but google hears of everything....
[04:47] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: so the network manager in System Settings doesn't work for you?
[04:47] <MItchM> halfbloodprine: humor me?
[04:47] <ErikTheRed> oh there it goes
[04:47] <Jucato> lol
[04:47] <ErikTheRed> i think it's just a little slow from here
[04:47] <ErikTheRed> nothing is ever slow from here usually, our connection is crazy fast
[04:48] <Jucato> ErikTheRed: try switching to another mirror/server?
[04:48] <miyako> I switched to Kubuntu because I lost my Suse 10 install disks when I needed to install this box, and 1 Kubuntu CD was less time than 5 Suse CDs
[04:48] <halfbloodprince> well, i live in bombay, india.. and it's a local isp called seven star internet
[04:48] <miyako> but I do quite like Kubuntu, minus a few rough patches getting Maya to work on it
[04:48] <halfbloodprince> they use a client called cyberoam
[04:48] <Jucato> ooh.. India's making headlines on open source lately...
[04:48] <halfbloodprince> btw, is it hard to use Wine?
[04:49] <Infecto> repearing many problems in the middle and now when i type apt-get something i`v got answer like that:  Segmentation faults... 0%
[04:49] <Infecto> can some one tell me whats wrong. i upgrade to edgy
[04:49] <Healot> miyako: you still need to get the rest of the packages on the net, painful sometimes...
[04:49] <Jucato> Infecto: innocent question: why are you upgrading to Edgy now?
[04:49] <miyako> halfbloodprince: it really depends on the application, if you can afford it and you want to use Wine, I would suggest buying Crossover Office
[04:49] <Infecto> Jucato: want to try ? :)))
[04:49] <miyako> Healot - true, but there is something to be said about it being less paintful to wait to download packages if you can surf the net while  you are doing so
[04:49] <halfbloodprince> miyako: Say I have photoshop and want to use it on Linux
[04:49] <Infecto> i know i know thats not the best hoice
[04:50] <aeon17x> How do I get konqueror to load a specific profile by default when it starts?
[04:50] <miyako> halfbloodprince: Adobe Photoshop 7 is offcially supported by Codeweavers for running under Crossover Office, I use it, but newever versions of photoshop don't work so great
[04:50] <Jucato> Infecto: well, you're choice, actually...
[04:50] <Jucato> aeon17x: change the command that launches Konqueror
[04:50] <halfbloodprince> so I can't use the software that I currently own?
[04:51] <Hawkwind> aeon17x: kfmclient openProfile profilehere
[04:51] <Jucato> aeon17x: or "konqueror --profile <profile_name>"
[04:51] <miyako> halfbloodprince: it depends on what software you own
[04:51] <halfbloodprince> I mean can I use the Photoshop 7 I currently own without buying Crossover Office
[04:51] <miyako> halfbloodprince: yes, you can
[04:52] <Hawkwind> halfbloodprince: Not without something like wine or Cedega or installing Windows in vmware
[04:52] <miyako> I'm just saying that, for me personally, the $50 for crossover is worth not having to muck about with getting Wine configured properly
[04:52] <halfbloodprince> hmm..
[04:52] <miyako> you can use plain ol' Wine, which is free
[04:53] <halfbloodprince> $50 is Rs 2500 for me
[04:53] <halfbloodprince> :)
[04:53] <miyako> and if you legally own a copy of Windows, VMWare is free(as in beer) now I think for some versions, so you can run it in a virtual machine
[04:53] <halfbloodprince> yeah, but then i'd have to keep switching
[04:53] <halfbloodprince> personally i'm happy using GimpShop
[04:54] <halfbloodprince> but the problem occurs when I collaborate with people
[04:54] <miyako> yeah, I have that problem as well
[04:54] <miyako> to be honest, my solution is to run Photoshop under OS X on my notebook
[04:54] <halfbloodprince> how do you get past it?
[04:54] <halfbloodprince> ah
[04:54] <halfbloodprince> then what do you use Kubuntu for?
[04:54] <miyako> everything else
[04:54] <Hawkwind> halfbloodprince: You can run vmware inside of Linux in another window on your desktop.  Makes life easier
[04:55] <halfbloodprince> hmm
[04:55] <trappist> photoshop runs decently in crossover office
[04:55] <miyako> I moonlight as an Animator/3D artist, and I do all of my modeling/rendering/animation under Linux
[04:55] <miyako> and use Photoshop on OS X for textures and post processing
[04:55] <halfbloodprince> ah alright
[04:55] <Hawkwind> trappist: He's not wanting to spend the $50 for CXoffice though if he doesn't have to
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> Quick Q. Can k3b burn cue/bin  cdrom images?
[04:56] <trappist> cxoffice + cedega is the best ~$65 I ever spent
[04:56] <Hawkwind> Dr_Willis: Yes
[04:56] <miyako> Dr_Willis: yes, I've done it before
[04:57] <miyako> trappist: Cedega was a good app, but they ticked me off when they went from "you have to subscribe to get updates" to "you have to have a valid subscription to use the program at all"
[04:57] <trappist> Dr_Willis: I don't know, but you can use bchunk to convert bin/cue to iso
[04:57] <Hawkwind> Dr_Willis: You choose 'Data CD' from the menu
[04:57] <trappist> miyako: I dropped my subscription a long time ago, but I can still play all my games
[04:57] <Dr_Willis> Hawkwind,  having an argument with a guy in #ubuntu at the moment.. i cant recall ever doing it myself.
[04:57] <Hawkwind> Dr_Willis: I do it pretty much everyday
[04:58] <miyako> trappist, I dropped my subscription and it stopped working for me
[04:58] <miyako> in the newer version
[04:58] <trappist> miyako: well that is a pretty disappointing development, then
[04:58] <miyako> older versions still run, but I upgraded then like a month later dropped my subscription, and the app kept phoning home to see if my subscription was still valid, when it wasn't it would refuse to launch
[05:00] <miyako> there is a right way and a wrong way to sell proprietary software on Linux, I think Crossover is a good example of the right way, and I think Cedega is a good example of the wrong way
[05:01] <milco> i wouldnt mind if people wanne run windows on linux
[05:01] <Jucato> *cough*#kubuntu-offtopic*cough*
[05:01] <milco> but the other way around sucks..
[05:01] <trappist> good call
[05:01] <trappist> as in, +1 Jucato
[05:01] <Jucato> :)
[05:01] <halfbloodprince> what's off-topic? sorry, i got disconnected
[05:01] <miyako> I'll join #kubuntu-offtopic , if someone tells me how to switch channels in Bitchx
[05:01] <miyako> lol
[05:02] <halfbloodprince> ah sorry
[05:02] <trappist> miyako: /join #kubuntu-offtopic
[05:02] <Hawkwind> miyako: alt-1
[05:02] <Hawkwind> miyako: alt 2 and so on
[05:02] <miyako> ah, alt-#, ok
[05:02] <Hawkwind> miyako: Or /window #
[05:03] <Jucato> sorry to have interrupted your conversation... we might have overlooked some poor soul's question because of the fast scrolling texts :)
[05:04] <Jucato> :P
[05:04] <halfbloodprince> haha
[05:04] <Jucato> in all that discussion, we haven't been able to help halfbloodprince's problem...
[05:04] <miyako> sorry, I will try to remain on-topic
[05:05] <Jucato> miyako: no need to apologize
[05:05] <Jucato> it just happens :)
[05:05] <Jucato> even I'm guilty of that...
[05:06] <miyako> I still can't get bitchx to switch channels right, it just keeps dumping both channels into one window, and when I try to use alt+# it says either "window 1 not hidden" or "window x does not exist"
[05:06] <miyako> err
[05:06] <miyako> "no such window: x"
[05:06] <Jucato> but seriously... halfbloodprince, you can try the "sudo pppoeconf" command in Konsole.
[05:06] <halfbloodprince> and what does that do?
[05:06] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: configure pppoe connection...
[05:06] <Jucato> usually most ADSL/DSL connections use PPPoE...
[05:07] <Jucato> but since your ISP gives out specific IP's...
[05:07] <milco> how do i turn off shadows for my windows?
[05:07] <milco> it gives glitches in xgl i think
[05:07] <skavenge> miyako: try '/window new hide', then use alt+2 to switch to 2, then join the other channel
[05:07] <miyako> ah, ok
[05:08] <miyako> works like a charm ^_^
[05:13] <w1w1t0m1>  hello, can anybody give me advice which content management system uses only php ? thanks
[05:14] <halfbloodprince> WordPress
[05:15] <halfbloodprince> Textpattern
[05:15] <halfbloodprince> Joomla
[05:16] <halfbloodprince> where's everyone gone?
[05:16] <miyako> I'm here
[05:16] <Jucato> silent... because of me :)
[05:16] <w1w1t0m1> halfbloodprince:thanks
[05:16] <Jucato> probably in #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[05:17] <SoloSeKNoSeNada> hello
[05:17] <halfbloodprince> i was just like : whaaa? where's everyone
[05:17] <Jucato> heh
[05:17] <miyako> we're all talking halfbloodprince, someone just cast mufiliauto on you
[05:18] <Jucato> hi SoloSeKNoSeNada (whew.. hard to pronounce...)
[05:18] <halfbloodprince> hehe
[05:18] <RobNyc_C> hey guys
[05:18] <Jucato> hi
[05:18] <halfbloodprince> :p
[05:18] <milco> how do i turn off shadows for my windows?
[05:18] <milco> it gives glitches in xgl i think
[05:19] <skavenge> so hey is vmware in the repos now or? your guys discussion on running windows within linux made me wanna try it .. is anyone running this now? do 3d graphics / usb etc work within windows run that way?
[05:19] <Jucato> skavenge: the only VMWare in the repos is VMWare Player
[05:20] <skavenge> milco: its under window behavior under translucency
[05:20] <skavenge> in kcontrol
[05:20] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: If I configure stuff using sudo pppoeconf, then I won't have to use the software?
[05:20] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: if it works...
[05:21] <adrian__> Hallo ist hir wemand aus Deutschland
[05:21] <Jucato> hm... I'm guessing...
[05:21] <Jucato> !de
[05:21] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[05:21] <Jucato> er... wrong guess...
[05:22] <adrian__> Danke
[05:22] <adrian__> bye
[05:22] <miyako> I think I understood all of that except the important parts
[05:22] <halfbloodprince> hehe
[05:23] <miyako> I speak german, but I don't know much technical speak in german
[05:23] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: what do you mean by 'if it works'.. it's supposed to work for people who use a dialer to connect, right?
[05:23] <miyako> or anything more advanced that what would be said by a six year old for example
[05:23] <mindspin> miyako: it was full of typos
[05:23] <halfbloodprince> This is what I found in a forum: Well, if you have to use some kind of dialer/software to connect to your ADSL account in windows, you should try running pppoeconf. To run it, in a terminal window type, sudo pppoeconf
[05:23] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: yes. it works for my ADSL connection. but my ISP doesn't supply me with IP addresses
[05:23] <miyako> mindspin that might have something to do with it
[05:24] <miyako> although I did learn most of my german from usenet, so I probably don't know the correct spelling of most things anyway
[05:24] <mindspin> ;-)
[05:24] <liel> akuo
[05:24] <julien> Good afternoon
[05:24] <Jucato> I don't know who taught ubotu that response...
[05:24] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: The IP addresses are because I don't connect directly via a modem.. I connect via LAN
[05:25] <Jucato> Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, as the case may be. :)
[05:25] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: aah... um...
[05:25] <mindspin> halfbloodprince: you are sure you need ppoe isn#t it just enough to add the default gw ?
[05:25] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: Did I say something incredibly ignorant?
[05:26] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: no.. I'm ignorant on that part...
[05:26] <halfbloodprince> mindspin: I don't get what you said
[05:26] <kraut> moin
[05:26] <mindspin> my fault I guess, the trouble is on Jucato's ?
[05:27] <Jucato> heh... my experience with internet connections in Linux is severly limited to that...
[05:27] <Jucato> connecting directly with only a username and password..
[05:27] <miyako> halfbloodprince: honestly I would just call your ISP
[05:27] <miyako> ask them if you connect over PPPoE or what
[05:27] <miyako> tell them that you are trying to get running on Linux
[05:27] <miyako> if they tell you they don't support linux
[05:28] <miyako> call back and tell them you are trying to set up a firewall/router
[05:28] <miyako> and they will probably give you the information you need to get running under Linux
[05:28] <miyako> and if all else fails, just get a firewall/router and set it up per their instructions
[05:28] <miyako> then connect through that
[05:28] <halfbloodprince> hmm...
[05:30] <mindspin> halfbloodprince: you have problems connecting to the internet ? (just to get it right, I#m a little lame right now)
[05:30] <halfbloodprince> mindspin: yeah
[05:31] <mindspin> the connection is via LAn with a router ?
[05:31] <halfbloodprince> Okay, I found this other software called linc-daemon which should apparently work in this situation
[05:31] <mindspin> halfbloodprince: normally there is no extra software necessary....
[05:32] <halfbloodprince> mindspin: But I don't connect directly via a modem.. I'm connected via LAN, and my ISP requires me to 'log in' to the internet using a client
[05:32] <halfbloodprince>  application which they provided
[05:33] <mindspin> that should be done by the router
[05:33] <mindspin> is it a linux machine (the router)
[05:33] <halfbloodprince> no i dont believe it is
[05:34] <milco> i got one more machine i got to kubuntinize (6)
[05:34] <mindspin> its a small box type ...
[05:34] <milco> hope that its going flawless (even flawlesser then the last)
[05:34] <mindspin> probably you can set username and pass in the admin interface of the router
[05:34] <halfbloodprince> Jucato: Check this out - http://linc.sourceforge.net/
[05:35] <mindspin> try connecting with your browser to <IP_ADDRESS> (average standard ip, used by those routers)
[05:36] <w1w1t0m1> halfbloodprince:mysql? I meant only php cms (http://codex.wordpress.org/Hosting_WordPress)
[05:36] <miyako> you might also try <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:36] <mindspin> yup
[05:36] <halfbloodprince> w1w1t0m1: you don't want to use any database at all?
[05:37] <draik> Hello everyone
[05:37] <w1w1t0m1> halfbloodprince:I do not have possibility
[05:37] <mindspin> halfbloodprince: hows your connection now managed (you are connected aren't you?)
[05:37] <halfbloodprince> mindspin: Right now I'm using Windows
[05:37] <mindspin> hehe
[05:38] <halfbloodprince> mindspin: I want to move to Kubuntu, which is why I want to figure this out before I move
[05:38] <mindspin> and you are using the client software of your ISP ?
[05:38] <halfbloodprince> yes
[05:38] <Pensacola> how can I view my ip adress in kubuntu?
[05:38] <mindspin> halfbloodprince: I would give it a try with the Live CD and see what happens
[05:38] <mindspin> ifconfig
[05:39] <MItchM> ifconfig eth0
[05:40] <MItchM> (for your first ethernet card)
[05:40] <lupine_85> not ip addr show ?
[05:40] <w1w1t0m1>  Pensacola: or Alt+F2  -  systemsettings -  network settings
[05:41] <halfbloodprince> miyako, mindspin: I typed both <IP_ADDRESS> and <IP_ADDRESS> in my browser and it doesnt open anything
[05:42] <mindspin> whats the IP of your machine ?
[05:42] <miyako> hmm, I dunno, sorry halfbloodprince
[05:42] <MItchM> halfbloodprince: look at http://ca.huji.ac.il/services/internet/connect/adsl/pppoe_linux.shtml
[05:42] <halfbloodprince> mindspin: the IP of my machine is 202.134.191.xxx
[05:43] <mindspin> ok try <IP_ADDRESS> or 100
[05:43] <mindspin> although, isn#t that a public ip ?
[05:43] <MItchM> (it is)
[05:44] <dhq> Hawkwind: need help to reconfigure my display settings
[05:44] <mindspin> can you ping other machines in your local network ?
[05:44] <MItchM> and it is owned by SevenStar AS =P
[05:45] <halfbloodprince> MitchM: Thanks for the link, seems useful
[05:45] <MItchM> looks like a simple automated PPPoE setup...
[05:46] <MItchM> may guide you in the right direction if not answer questions.
[05:46] <halfbloodprince> mindspin: I can't ping other machines in my local network
[05:46] <mindspin> ok that should be so
[05:46] <mindspin> with that IP
[05:46] <dhq> hey i installed kubuntu and my display got screwed  my screen shifted 2inches below the start bar is not visible and my mouse cursor is not visible i can use the mouse but no cursor
[05:46] <dhq> xgl sorry
[05:46] <halfbloodprince> First of all I need to know what PPPoE and ADSL is :\
[05:47] <MItchM> PPPoE = username authentication for internet connections
[05:47] <mindspin> pppoe is point to point protocol over ethernet
[05:47] <MItchM> looks like your actually using Cable internet though...
[05:47] <MItchM> not DSL
[05:47] <MItchM> which doesnt really make a difference...
[05:47] <halfbloodprince> so this guide won't be useful?
[05:47] <MItchM> *shrugs*
[05:48] <MItchM> should work fine =)
[05:48] <h3sp4wn> You can have pppoe with some cable providers
[05:48] <halfbloodprince> okay :) don't scare me, man
[05:48] <MItchM> "which doesnt really make a difference" lol..
[05:48] <MItchM> apologies.
[05:48] <miyako> PPPoE = Point to Point Protocol over Ethernet, it's like dialup over LAN
[05:49] <halfbloodprince> ah, that's what I use, i think
[05:49] <MItchM> halfbloodprince: http://web.my7start.com/cable_internet/download.html
[05:49] <MItchM> looks like your ISP offers a linux version of the client
[05:49] <MItchM> (link seems borken though)
[05:49] <halfbloodprince> I also use a Realtek PCI Ethernet Adapter
[05:49] <MItchM>  *halfbloodprince: http://web.my7star.com/cable_internet/download.html
[05:49] <MItchM> typo on the first... sorry.
[05:49] <halfbloodprince> Oh it does?
[05:49] <mindspin> those work like a charm under linux
[05:49] <MItchM> lookie there....
[05:50] <halfbloodprince> it returns a page cannot be found error
[05:50] <MItchM> yup.
[05:50] <halfbloodprince> when I click on the Download link, I mean
[05:50] <mindspin> and its IIS ;-)
[05:50] <MItchM> but im sure you can find the same package on google.
[05:50] <MItchM> =) im looking for you also.
[05:51] <halfbloodprince> :) thanks
[05:51] <halfbloodprince> but with that other link you gave me, it doesn't seem as if I require to use any package?
[05:52] <mindspin> http://www.geocities.com/ambikainter/CyberoamLinuxClient.tar.gz
[05:52] <mindspin> first
[05:52] <MItchM> when you clink on download the url goes to a site that refers to CyberoamLinuxClient.tar.gz
[05:52] <MItchM> so google CyberoamLinuxClient.tar.gz
[05:52] <MItchM> and found an alternate download location
[05:52] <MItchM> find*
[05:52] <h3sp4wn> If its just using pppoe there is no need to use non free clients just find out the pppoe settings
[05:52] <mindspin> MItchM: noticed the url I posted?
[05:53] <MItchM> slaps*
[05:53] <mindspin> ;-)
[05:53] <MItchM> your just -- too good :-)
[05:54] <mindspin> halfbloodprince: you are still active ?
[05:55] <halfbloodprince> mindspin: thanks for the link! I downloaded it.. now I'm going through the readme, which seems to be confusing
[05:55] <mindspin> h3sp4wn: it seems a bit difficult, he has no access to his router
[05:56] <mindspin> halfbloodprince: don't let it confuse you
[05:56] <halfbloodprince> mindspin: it says something about Makefile and a config file and what not
[05:57] <mindspin> if your ISP offers access over linux, just ask them how to install and get it running
[05:57] <mindspin> halfbloodprince: that#s pretty normal for source packages
[05:58] <mindspin> keep in mind that you'll have build-essentials installed when installing tar balls
[05:58] <halfbloodprince> mindspin: I wonder if it would be too much for you to ask you to take a look at the readme and help me out
[05:58] <mindspin> otherwise your machine will rant about "Make not found " and so on
[05:58] <halfbloodprince> (man, i must seem like such a dunce)
[05:58] <MItchM> dont worry about make or make install halfbloodprince; its already compiled there; just create a text file and save it as say /etc/crclient.cfg
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> and whatever ohter dev packages the source needs
[05:59] <MItchM> then copy and paste the default config stuff from the README into it
[05:59] <MItchM> and use crclient -f /etc/crclient.cfg -u <username>
[05:59] <MItchM> (i believe)
[05:59] <MItchM> yup; sounds good.
[06:00] <halfbloodprince> okay, i think I got a PDF guide to installing this thing..
[06:00] <MItchM> there is a README included in the folder.
[06:00] <halfbloodprince> MitchM: that's it?
[06:00] <MItchM> yup.
[06:00] <Scream_Ve> A client ftp use?  graphical please
[06:00] <mindspin> konqueror ;-)
[06:00] <MItchM> change the default options in the readme to your server's IP  and port
[06:01] <MItchM> and put in your password
[06:01] <MItchM> and you should be good
[06:01] <MItchM> if you getting it working from the command-line you can create a batch file to connect for you at startup
[06:01] <Scream_Ve> mindspin: Tks, no saba =D
[06:02] <MItchM> halfbloodprince: just do ./crclient -u <username>
[06:02] <MItchM> and it asks you for the server ip and password ....
[06:02] <halfbloodprince> yeah
[06:02] <halfbloodprince> but where/how do I extract the tar.gz file
[06:03] <MItchM> tar -zcf <archive>
[06:03] <ErikTheRed> odd problem here
[06:03] <ErikTheRed> i installed the latest nvidia drivers using the doc.gwos.org how-to
[06:03] <MItchM> from the command line...
[06:03] <ErikTheRed> and it works fine
[06:03] <MItchM> =)
[06:03] <ErikTheRed> but when I enable SLI, soon after logging into kde my computer freezes
[06:03] <ErikTheRed> SLI used to work fine
[06:03] <ErikTheRed> when i used older drivers
[06:03] <ErikTheRed> but not now
[06:04] <halfbloodprince> MitchM: But where am I supposed to save the file, in order to extract using that command
[06:04] <lupine_85> halfbloodprince: anywhere will do
[06:04] <MItchM> umm /home/(username)/
[06:04] <MItchM> or wherever you extract just ...
[06:04] <lupine_85> I normally dump everything on my desktop ;)
[06:05] <MItchM> cd /dir_that_i_saved_file_in/
[06:05] <halfbloodprince> ah okay
[06:05] <halfbloodprince> cool
[06:05] <MItchM> then tar -zxf CyberoamLinuxClient.tar.gz
[06:05] <MItchM> then
[06:05] <MItchM> ./crclient
[06:05] <grimboy> Can anyone tell me how to get svn support with kdevelop?
[06:05] <MItchM> ./crclient -u <username> *
[06:06] <halfbloodprince> home/(username) is the default directory, is it?
[06:07] <mindspin> yup
[06:07] <halfbloodprince> the guide tells me to tar -xvfz CyberoamLinuxClient.tar.gz
[06:07] <halfbloodprince> what's the diff
[06:07] <MItchM> bleh.
[06:07] <MItchM> do what you want *shrugs* =)
[06:07] <introp> The extra -v is verbose.  Just fluff.
[06:07] <Jucato> :)
[06:07] <introp> x == extract, z == the tar file the gzipped, f == use this archive file I'm about to name.
[06:07] <introp> -the +is gzipped
[06:08] <MItchM> tar -zxf CyberoamLinuxClient.tar.gz == what you should do.
[06:08] <MItchM> but experimenting is half the fun.
[06:08] <halfbloodprince> I like your method, MitchM
[06:08] <MItchM> if you want... you can gzip -d <archive>
[06:08] <halfbloodprince> thanks!
[06:08] <MItchM> then tar -xf <archive>
[06:08] <MItchM> but thats just silly.
[06:08] <halfbloodprince> with suse, I had to do some long procedure
[06:08] <Jucato> heh
[06:08] <MItchM> =) yup.
[06:09] <MItchM> well -- Ubuntu is cooler than SuSE.
[06:09] <mindspin> you alsu can gunzip it and tar -xf it
[06:09] <halfbloodprince> will my network settings be detected by ubuntu automatically?
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> actually the - isent even needed any more is it.
[06:09] <Jucato> actually you could just extract it using Konqueror then go back to the command line if that's more comfortable...
[06:09] <MItchM> most likely yes.
[06:09] <halfbloodprince> awesome
[06:09] <MItchM> but dont quote me on that.
[06:09] <halfbloodprince> if not, then where do I enter them
[06:09] <MItchM> ifconfig
[06:09] <mindspin> system settings networking
[06:09] <MItchM> from command-line
[06:09] <MItchM> or...
[06:10] <MItchM> ALt+ f2 > systemsettings > Networking
[06:10] <halfbloodprince> okay, cool
[06:10] <halfbloodprince> man, this is so simple!!
[06:10] <halfbloodprince> ubuntu is awesome
[06:10] <foodcoman> Have been away for awhile.  Looks like a whole new croud.  Greetings.
[06:10] <halfbloodprince> i will still need to use windows (althought I wish I didn't), but I'll be running both simultaneously
[06:11] <halfbloodprince> as in, a dual boot
[06:11] <MItchM> you are forgiven =)
[06:11] <halfbloodprince> which brings me to my next question
[06:11] <halfbloodprince> how do i set it up so that it dual boots :D
[06:11] <MItchM> you already did.
[06:11] <halfbloodprince> ?
[06:11] <MItchM> by isntalling ubuntu; it will prompt you when you restart your computer; if you want Windows or Ubuntu.
[06:12] <MItchM> that is if you had windows installed already...
[06:12] <MItchM> and didnt format over it.
[06:12] <halfbloodprince> Here's what I'll be doing.. I'll be doing a fresh install of Windows
[06:12] <MItchM> easier to install windows then linux.
[06:12] <halfbloodprince> so there will be 2 partitions, C and D
[06:12] <MItchM> windows is nasty about writing over the MBR (boot record)
[06:13] <mindspin> not needed beside you have not enough space on your HD
[06:13] <halfbloodprince> I'll be installing Windows in C
[06:13] <MItchM> umm. unless someone suggets otherwise...
[06:13] <mindspin> qtparted can resize your partitions
[06:13] <MItchM> yes; that would work.
[06:13] <MItchM> but then I've always had problems booting back into linux after installing windows....
[06:14] <MItchM> so I always installed windows first *shrugs*
[06:14] <halfbloodprince> One sec, say I install Windows in C drive, and then I put the Ubuntu CD in, and boot from it, what do I do next so that I see a dual boot by the end of the installation
[06:14] <Admiral_Chicago> MItchM, yes Windows first, then Linux
[06:14] <Admiral_Chicago> always
[06:14] <MItchM> aye; as i thought.
[06:14] <mindspin> and since ever ;-)
[06:15] <LeeJunFan> halfbloodprince: just follow instructions. Pretty much allowing defaults will get you dual booting.
[06:15] <halfbloodprince> (man, I wish there was a spell for this.. Linuxio installum or something)
[06:15] <MItchM> halfbloodprince; Use windows cd to format your entire HD and partition it into 2; install windows on one...
[06:15] <MItchM> put in your linux cd
[06:15] <MItchM> install linux on the other.
[06:15] <MItchM> and your done.
[06:15] <LeeJunFan> halfbloodprince: just pay attention to the partitioning and formatting parts, so you don't wipe out your windows. All you have to do is set a new size for your C partition and it will be resized during install.
[06:16] <mindspin> or (better approach in my eyes) keep the space unformated and format it at ubuntu installation
[06:16] <halfbloodprince> LeeJunFan: why do I need to resize by C partition?
[06:16] <LeeJunFan> halfbloodprince: during windows install (to skip the resizing part) just create a partition for windows that't not full HD, leave enough unpartitioned space for linux. Don't baother creating another partition.
[06:16] <mindspin> yup
[06:16] <MItchM> yes; what he said.
[06:17] <LeeJunFan> Then install linux into unpartitioned space, it'll dual boot when it's all done.
[06:17] <halfbloodprince> Okay, I'll create a C partition, which is say, 15 GB, and the rest is unformatted, unpartitioned?
[06:17] <mindspin> no need for spells
[06:17] <MItchM> correct.
[06:17] <LeeJunFan> halfbloodprince: yes.
[06:17] <mindspin> yup
[06:17] <halfbloodprince> How do I install linux into the unpartitioned space? Is it easy?
[06:17] <MItchM> easy easy.
[06:17] <halfbloodprince> Arent there like different types of partitions?
[06:17] <mindspin> you will be asked
[06:18] <halfbloodprince> I got scared when I did it the first time.. with the different types of partitions.. and I fucked it up badly
[06:18] <halfbloodprince> pardon the language
[06:18] <MItchM> ask us if you have questions.
[06:18] <MItchM> ubuntu = easiest install ever
[06:18] <mindspin> that's maybe difficult while not being online
[06:18] <halfbloodprince> also, if I need to access files from my windows partition
[06:18] <introp> I've yet to install (k)ubuntu on a machine for which the defaults weren't at least acceptable.
[06:19] <mindspin> read access is no problem. writing is a different case
[06:19] <MItchM> halfbloodprince: it will probably give you read access by default...
[06:19] <MItchM> just have to create a mount for your windows drive?
[06:19] <halfbloodprince> No, I don't want to save to the Windows partition, I just want to access files from it
[06:19] <MItchM> piece of cake.
[06:20] <introp> Aye.  Read-access on NTFS is no problem.  If you want to write, you need either ntfs-3g (a little flaky, but very safe) or an ext driver in Windows (far more scary).
[06:20] <halfbloodprince> Also, can I access my Linux files from Windows
[06:20] <MItchM> mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows/
[06:20] <mindspin> nope afaik
[06:20] <MItchM> cant access linux stuff from windows...
[06:20] <halfbloodprince> okay..
[06:21] <introp> http://fs-driver.org/faq.html
[06:21] <MItchM> but you can FTP stuff and transfer it around...
[06:21] <halfbloodprince> And another important thing.. what about font rendering
[06:21] <halfbloodprince> FTP stuff?
[06:21] <introp> It's an ext2 driver for windows.  Free and works fairly well, but still dangerous just by concept.
[06:21] <halfbloodprince> oooh nice idea
[06:21] <mindspin> or set up samba and create a share
[06:21] <mindspin> but that leads to nowhere right now, first get the basics done
[06:21] <halfbloodprince> kubuntu installs an FTP client by default, right?
[06:22] <MItchM> yup.
[06:22] <halfbloodprince> awesome
[06:22] <MItchM> and if not; its easy to do.
[06:22] <halfbloodprince> I'm used to using Filezilla
[06:22] <MItchM> apt-get install ftp-client
[06:22] <MItchM> would get it done.
[06:22] <lupine_85> kftp ?
[06:22] <halfbloodprince> great..
[06:22] <MItchM> sounds right.
[06:23] <lupine_85> no, it's kftpgrabber by the looks of it
[06:23] <halfbloodprince> sorry for the comparison with suse, but that's the only other experience i have with linux.. but in suse, there is the yast package manager.. which lets you download and install stuff using a GUI
[06:23] <miyako> you know, it's kinda funny, just thinking about it I realized that while I much prefer KDE to Gnome, most of the applications I use are Gnome apps (gftp, gedit, firefox)
[06:23] <lupine_85> halfbloodprince: adept :)
[06:23] <introp> halfbloodprince: In kubuntu, that's Adept.
[06:23] <mindspin> adept is your friend on kubuntu
[06:23] <lupine_85> YaST is a PoS in comparison
[06:23] <halfbloodprince> okay.. is it better than yast?
[06:23] <introp> Amen.
[06:23] <MItchM> Amen.
[06:23] <mindspin> different
[06:23] <miyako> I use Synaptic
[06:23] <lupine_85> yast is so *slow*
[06:24] <halfbloodprince> okay..
[06:24] <halfbloodprince> also, another important thing.. font rendering
[06:24] <miyako> I think I turned my Kubuntu install into an Ubuntu install with KDE
[06:24] <mindspin> but eaysier to handle in imho
[06:24] <halfbloodprince> truetype fonts
[06:24] <LeeJunFan_> stupid lame DSL provider at this location.
[06:24] <mindspin> halfbloodprince: I never had issues, but don#t aks me why ;-)
[06:25] <halfbloodprince> Do truetype fonts show up as good as they do in windows? or better?
[06:26] <mindspin> slightly different
[06:26] <halfbloodprince> coz in suse truetype fonts look like they were squeezed
[06:26] <LeeJunFan_> how do you ghost a nick? Where do you put the password in /msg nickserv ghost LeeJunFan?
[06:26] <introp> I can't say that I've noticed any difference, but I'm a photographer, not a typesetter.
[06:27] <halfbloodprince> can someone show me a screenshot of, say, www.niralimagazine.com
[06:27] <halfbloodprince> i'd be highly grateful
[06:28] <mindspin> it looks very fine in firefox here...
[06:28] <halfbloodprince> can u show me a screenshot?
[06:28] <introp> I'll package one up here ASAP.
[06:28] <halfbloodprince> if it's not too much trouble, that is
[06:28] <halfbloodprince> if it's too much trouble, let it be..
[06:28] <lupine_85> halfbloodprince: http://ubuntu.lupine.me.uk/screenshot.png
[06:28] <lupine_85> erm, just getting one of that place
[06:29] <mindspin> haha
[06:29] <damirsbm> hola jorge
[06:29] <MItchM> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/snapshot2.png
[06:29] <jorgeorm> que mas damir
[06:29] <damirsbm> jorge es una perra
[06:30] <jorgeorm> damir es zoofilico
[06:30] <halfbloodprince> man, you guys are so awesome
[06:30] <mindspin> !es
[06:30] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[06:30] <damirsbm> everybody here speack english
[06:30] <mindspin> and zoofilico is not family-friendly iirc
[06:31] <lupine_85> I haven't modified my fonts at all, btw
[06:31] <halfbloodprince> MitchM: Looks fine, except that the fonts are 1px larger on Windows and OS X
[06:31] <lupine_85> zoofur!
[06:31] <MItchM> bah; humbug.
[06:31] <lupine_85> also not family-friendly
[06:31] <MItchM> =)
[06:31] <Scream_Ve> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[06:31] <Scream_Ve> Xlib: No protocol specified
[06:31] <Scream_Ve> kate: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[06:31] <halfbloodprince> can you check in firefox if there's a difference?
[06:31] <Scream_Ve> Rayos ke pasara =S
[06:32] <MItchM> sure.
[06:32] <halfbloodprince> don't need to send me a screenshot, just check
[06:32] <mindspin> MItchM: the point of fontsize drives me crazy sometimes, when creating pages ....
[06:32] <halfbloodprince> I've created that site using WordPress, btw
[06:32] <lupine_85> http://ubuntu.lupine.me.uk/screenshot2.png
[06:32] <halfbloodprince> mindspin: why's that
[06:32] <lupine_85> (that page, in firefox)
[06:32] <Scream_Ve> Helpme guys
[06:32] <Scream_Ve> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[06:32] <Scream_Ve> Xlib: No protocol specified
[06:32] <Scream_Ve> kate: cannot connect to X server :0.0
[06:33] <mindspin> I dunno, firefox for win renders fonts different than firefox for linux
[06:33] <halfbloodprince> lupine, it says i dont have permission
[06:33] <Scream_Ve> I am root =S
[06:33] <Hawkwind> lupine_85: Bad URL
[06:33] <lupine_85> 1 second...
[06:33] <mindspin> and IE is another story
[06:33] <mindspin> and people have different personal settings
[06:33] <halfbloodprince> mindspin: hahaha, yeah, IE is IE
[06:33] <lupine_85> try now
[06:33] <MItchM> it does look different.
[06:33] <lupine_85> sftp is a PITA at times
[06:33] <MItchM> but only slightly; looks a little crisper in "Mozilla"
[06:34] <halfbloodprince> ah it's fine in firefox
[06:34] <halfbloodprince> thanks man
[06:34] <MItchM> yup.
[06:35] <Jucato> ??
[06:35] <lupine_85> j/k ;)
[06:35] <Jucato> O_O
[06:35] <halfbloodprince> Btw, I found this link to make truetype fonts look good on Linux... see this if you're interested: http://avi.alkalay.net/linux/docs/font-howto/Font.html#truetype
[06:35] <lupine_85> you saying my fonts are bad? ;)
[06:36] <MItchM> lol.
[06:36] <halfbloodprince> haha lupine, no, not at all :)
[06:36] <lupine_85> no idea what they are, actually
[06:36] <halfbloodprince> but the writer of that guide reckons, they can look just like they do in windows
[06:36] <lupine_85> as long as it's not Courier or Times New Roman (or comic sans!), I don't really care how they look on the desktop
[06:37] <halfbloodprince> I read this guide recently on how to make your Ubuntu desktop look like a OS X desktop
[06:37] <MItchM> who wants linux to look like windows?
[06:37] <halfbloodprince> hehe
[06:38] <mindspin> and who want's it to look like OS X?
[06:38] <MItchM> lmao.
[06:38] <halfbloodprince> I want fonts in webpages to look like they do in Windows.. for testing purposes
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> You mean like my wife has set up? 600x800 res with HUGE FONTS. :P
[06:38] <MItchM> So I tossed the idea of an ubuntu bumper sticker around in Ubuntu-marketing; ... now _that_ is a good idea.
[06:38] <MItchM> "I brake for Ubuntu"
[06:39] <halfbloodprince> hehe
[06:39] <introp> My recommendation is to run a copy of windows inside a VMware session, then.  True Windows rendering for testing, but without having to boot over to it.
[06:39] <foodcoman> Has Riddell been a good chap lately?
[06:39] <halfbloodprince> How do you run Windows inside a VMware session
[06:40] <Riddell> hmm?
[06:40] <foodcoman> haha
[06:40] <introp> Install VMware server (free, but not open-source).  Create a virtual machine, then install Windows on it.
[06:40] <MItchM> google.com?
[06:40] <MItchM> =)
[06:40] <introp> Windows, as far as it can tell, is running on its own machine.
[06:40] <halfbloodprince> can i install vmware server from adept?
[06:41] <LeeJunFan> halfbloodprince: I don't think so - it was made free after release of dapper
[06:41] <Dr_Willis> you could also use qemu
[06:41] <LeeJunFan> halfbloodprince: and they still want you to register it, get a key, etc...
[06:41] <introp> Nope.  You have to download it from vmware.  It can either install pre-built binaries or build the driver for you.  It's the cat's meow for testing and such -- take a machine snapshot, try the test.. fall back to the snapshot, etc.
[06:42] <introp> Keys are free, though.
[06:42] <halfbloodprince> okay..
[06:42] <halfbloodprince> Dr_Willis, what's qemu
[06:42] <LeeJunFan> yeah, I ran vista rc1 for about 2 hrs on it :)
[06:42] <LeeJunFan> just long enough to learn my way around the control panel so I can support it.
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> !qemu
[06:42] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[06:42] <introp> LeeJunFan: my job requires me to test logins from Windows machines.  Blech.
[06:42] <MItchM> so whats so great about vista that is going to make all those windows usrs buy it?
[06:43] <Riddell> foodcoman: thanks
[06:43] <LeeJunFan> MItchM: it's not, it's going to make them buy new computers with it on there.
[06:44] <foodcoman> Riddell: Well earned and deserved.  Ive made many converts.
[06:44] <MItchM> lmao.
[06:44] <LeeJunFan> MItchM: the security model has been greatly improved, but let's face it - no OS can combat stupid users who run viruses.
[06:44] <lupine_85> qemu is slow :)
[06:44] <Riddell> foodcoman: excellent
[06:44] <MItchM> agreed -- they made Windows XP _Just_ good enough that it runs stable enough that Techsupport can fix problems over the phone..
[06:45] <MItchM> but I dont see how they are going to market windows vista...
[06:45] <lupine_85> vista is all about metadata :(
[06:45] <MItchM> .. bleh.
[06:45] <lupine_85> useless metadata about useless data...
[06:45] <lupine_85> *sigh*
[06:45] <jott> vista is about directx 10 ;)
[06:45] <MItchM> and a new computer?
[06:45] <jott> sure :p
[06:46] <MItchM> and 2 gig of ram to prevent pagefile usage?
[06:46] <jott> shiny new geometry shader capable cards for 600 bucks ;)
[06:46] <MItchM> woo hoo.
[06:46] <lupine_85> vista is all about making money for M$! ;)
[06:46] <MItchM> play solitare; save the money =)
[06:47] <MItchM> better yet...
[06:47] <jott> hehe vista solitaire probably needs a fast gpu ;p
[06:47] <MItchM> apt-get install xbill
[06:47] <jott> the cards have to fly around and drop shadows ;)
[06:47] <h3sp4wn> Intels gma is supposed to be fast enough to run vista
[06:47] <introp> It stores the current card info in a relational database.  It's wonderful!
[06:48] <MItchM> so; now they're making logic co-processors in a pci card format... should be interesting to see what is done with that.
[06:48] <jott> but seriously directx 10 will be one mayor reason to upgrade for all the game junkies...
[06:48] <MItchM> "physics processors"
[06:49] <saki> I dunno
[06:49] <saki> The screen shots look beautiful
[06:49] <saki> What all do I need to make a HP Scanner to work in Kubuntu?
[06:50] <lupine_85> saki: they're almost all supported by defaly
[06:50] <lupine_85> default*
[06:51] <niels_> my hp scanner worked by default
[06:51] <h3sp4wn> saki: scsi / usb / parallel ?
[06:51] <halfbloodprince> are any of you web designers/developers?
[06:51] <lupine_85> sort of :)
[06:51] <niels_> sort of :)
[06:53] <halfbloodprince> okay.. how do you guys test for different browsers on linux
[06:53] <saki> usb
[06:54] <lupine_85> snap
[06:54] <halfbloodprince> snap?
[06:54] <h3sp4wn> saki: See if its supported by sane
[06:54] <introp> Multiple firefoxen installed, vmware machines with various OSes (2000 and XP), each with a browser or two.
[06:54] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: opera, firefox, konqueror, and epiphany on Linux, then firefox and ies4linux on Wine
[06:54] <introp> I save the vmware sessions in a "booted up" state, so I can just open them (takes about 10 seconds) and start browsing.
[06:55] <halfbloodprince> how does one go about using Wine
[06:55] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: install it, then go to the directory where a windows program is (.exe), then "wine <program_name.exe>"
[06:56] <halfbloodprince> so i have to save windows installers in my linux partition?
[06:56] <lupine_85> halfbloodprince: I dont :)
[06:56] <lupine_85> if it works on firefox that's good enough for me
[06:56] <saki> halfbloodprince: winehq.com
[06:56] <lupine_85> (I did say "sort of!")
[06:57] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: yes. or on a FAT32 partition that's shared by Windows and Linux
[06:57] <halfbloodprince> okay
[06:57] <Jucato> halfbloodprince: or you could also just use VMWare and install the whole thing :)
[06:57] <halfbloodprince> man, this VMware thing seems complicated
[06:57] <introp> Most of our web apps folks here seem to use a mix of crossover office, wine, and vmware, depending on how "real" a representation they need.
[06:57] <miyako> VMWare is actually pretty simple
[06:58] <introp> Just imagine it as having a tiny machine in a window.
[06:58] <miyako> well, I'm off to lunch now
[06:58] <miyako> take care all
[06:58] <saki> I just have two comps
[06:58] <saki> >_>
[06:58] <saki> then have my linux comp "host" it over the network
[06:58] <Jucato> saki: you're one of the lucky ones...
[06:58] <Jucato> <_<
[06:58] <saki> and test with both windows and linux apps
[06:58] <saki> and a couple mac apps...not many
[06:58] <saki> I hate Safari
[06:59] <Jucato> oh, did you know Safari is based on KHTML, the engine used by KDE :)
[07:00] <saki> I don't care
[07:00] <saki> I hate it
[07:00] <saki> with a passion
[07:01] <Jucato> :D
[07:01] <saki> It feels clunky
[07:01] <saki> anywho
[07:01] <Jucato> clunk clunk
[07:01] <saki> My HP Officejet F340 PoS only has scanner functions enabled under Sane xD
[07:02] <saki> I guess I'm off to the wonderful world of windows
[07:02] <saki> V_V
[07:02] <pimuri> is there some command in linux to find out what version of a software you have installed?
[07:02] <pimuri> e.g. to know which version of ndiswrapper I have
[07:02] <saki> You using Kubuntu?
[07:02] <pimuri> because in the paketmanager it only shows me ndiswrapper source version... but I haven't compiled it yet
[07:02] <pimuri> yes
[07:02] <pimuri> newest 6.06
[07:03] <saki> I do believe Synaptic will show you
[07:03] <saki> Not 100% sure
[07:03] <saki> >_>
[07:03] <Jucato> we don't have Synaptic..
[07:03] <pimuri> synaptic shows me ndisgtk, ndiswrapper-source and ndiswrapper-utils
[07:03] <skavenge> 99% positive its 1.8 in the repos
[07:03] <Jucato> or maybe he/she has...
[07:03] <skavenge> ndiswrapper is included in ndiswrapper-utils
[07:04] <pimuri> aha
[07:04] <pimuri> ok thank you :>
[07:04] <Jucato> !ndiswrapper
[07:04] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:04] <Jucato> err.. wrong one
[07:04] <pimuri> hrm
[07:04] <pimuri> I probably forget it anyway .. damn errors :>
[07:04] <h3sp4wn> I would always use the latest ndiswrapper its getting better and better
[07:05] <pimuri> don't buy us robotics wlan-card if you know that you will use linux  ;)
[07:05] <h3sp4wn> (ndiswrapper works better with ralink 2500 than the opensource drivers which is bad but true)
[07:13] <sh4d3z> HAL failed to hibernate
[07:13] <sh4d3z> ???
[07:15] <lupine_85> h3sp4wn: i disagree
[07:15] <Tokeiito> good evening
[07:15] <Tokeiito> how to install kde applets? like new panels or applets which i can add to panel?
[07:16] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: ndiswrapper supports hotplug properly - ethtool properly
[07:16] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: wireless-tools properly - the complete rewrite of rt2xx works ok
[07:19] <weedar> Here's a question, I'm running Windows 2003 (I know, it's for a class I take) in VMWare on my desktop, accessing it through my laptop with VNC/remote desktop. How can I log in, pressing ctrl+alt+del tries to kill my X session on the laptop :/
[07:19] <MenZa> How would I change my icon theme in Kubuntu?
[07:20] <Jucato> MenZa: System Settings > Appearance > Icons
[07:20] <MenZa> Jucato: neat, thanks
[07:20] <Jucato> weedar: Ctrl+Alt+Space, then release Space, then press Delete ?
[07:21] <introp> There's a menu option for Ctrl-Alt-Delete in the VMware menubar.
[07:21] <introp> "VM" menu, I think.
[07:21] <weedar> introp: excellent, that did the trick :)
[07:21] <weedar> tanks introp, you too Jucato ;)
[07:21] <Jucato> no problemo
[07:29] <dotirc> hey
[07:32] <shahbaz> hello everybody...
[07:32] <Jucato> hi
[07:33] <shahbaz> anyone who can help me with the sound problem in kubuntu
[07:33] <sh4d3z> hey
[07:35] <shahbaz> hi jucatos
[07:42] <halfbloodprince> los ubuntos
[07:43] <shahbaz> sound problem in kubuntu..need help!!!!
[07:43] <halfbloodprince> (re: i'm bored)
[07:43] <Jucato> shahbaz: sorry, I ain't good with sound...
[07:44] <shahbaz> aright..thanks anyway jacato
[07:45] <shahbaz> hello alleeEdgy32
[07:50] <ola_> hejj
[07:54] <RawSewage> whats the command to unrar multpile rars at once
[07:55] <miyako> RawSewage if you have numbered rars, like file.r001 file.r002, etc. just use rar e file.r001 (or whatever the first file is named) and it will unrar all of the other ones for you
[07:56] <RawSewage> miyako, ok thx. I'll try that.  it's not a multipart rar though
[07:56] <RawSewage> miyako, it only unrarred one
[07:56] <miyako> well, if you just have a bunch of not multipart rars, just do rar e *
[07:56] <RawSewage> that didnt work
[07:56] <RawSewage> oh
[07:56] <miyako> hmm
[07:56] <RawSewage> I was using unrar
[07:57] <RawSewage> let me try rar
[07:57] <RawSewage> I only have unrar
[07:57] <RawSewage> I did unrar e *
[07:57] <RawSewage> didnt work
[07:58] <miyako> hmm, I dunno then
[07:58] <RawSewage> ok ty
[07:58] <miyako> sorry
[07:58] <RawSewage> I guess I'll just do it the GUI way
[07:58] <RawSewage> select all, and right click
[08:01] <skavenge> my k3b wont burn dvd+r's, i get an input/output error and it doesnt even start burning, dvd-r's it will burn all day long, i dont get it, any ideas?
[08:04] <Jack_Sparrow> Hello all, has anyone has sucess getting kweather to run...   Under Ubuntu.. K3B and lots of other things work fine
[08:04] <miyako> skavenge: this may be a dumb question, but does your drive support dvd+r?
[08:04] <skavenge> yes
[08:05] <h3sp4wn> skavenge: Using the latest firmware for the drive ?
[08:05] <skavenge> yep
[08:05] <h3sp4wn> Not messed with (to remove region locking or anything)
[08:05] <skavenge> i havent run windows in about a year but they used to work then, i guess i've never tried one in linux but now ive got 25 sitting here i cant use ;/
[08:06] <skavenge> h3sp4wn: nope never fiddled with region settings
[08:06] <h3sp4wn> In a year there would be almost certainly a new firmware
[08:06] <skavenge> ill take a look
[08:07] <eaglehawk_> anyone who can help me with the sound problem in kubuntu
[08:08] <skavenge> yeah ive still got the latest firmware as well hasnt been update since 2004
[08:08] <pimuri> is there a way to give somebody shell-access in (k)ubuntu  ?
[08:09] <h3sp4wn> skavenge: what manufacturer ?
[08:09] <introp> pimuri: As in allow them to connect remotely to a shell, or a new local user?
[08:09] <pimuri>  remotely
[08:09] <skavenge> h3sp4wn: memorex
[08:09] <lavi> Hi all!
[08:10] <introp> Make a user for them, set the password, and let them ssh to your machine.
[08:10] <pimuri> ahh
[08:10] <pimuri> ok . thanks alot :>
[08:10] <pimuri> stupid me
[08:11] <lavi> Kubuntu 6.06 - why doesn't XMMS reveals normal letters in menus? Only squares?
[08:13] <mrmist> hi all
[08:14] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[08:14] <mrmist> I want to dock thunderbird in the tray... how do I do it ?
[08:15] <lavi> mrmist: It's a plugin
[08:15] <BluesKaj> mrmist, right click in the panel, click on "add application to panel"
[08:16] <Jucato> hm....
[08:16] <Jucato> I think he/she meant the System tray BluesKaj....
[08:16] <mrmist> yep... it's the systray I'm talking about
[08:16] <RawSewage> The command was  find -type f -name '*.rar' -exec unrar x {} \;
[08:16] <Jucato> there's an app that would let you dock any app into the system tray, but it's not in our repositories. the name of the app is "alltray"
[08:17] <mrmist> Jucato: and that's what most people use ?
[08:17] <BluesKaj> what system tray..it'scalled panel wherever i click ?
[08:18] <RawSewage> System Tray is where the little icons are
[08:18] <Jucato> BluesKaj: the part of the panel where iconified apps are
[08:18] <Jucato> BluesKaj: where you'll see Klipper, KMix, Kopete, Konversation (if you've enabled it), etc.
[08:18] <BluesKaj> click on config ssystem tray
[08:19] <Jucato> there is no config system tray....
[08:19] <Luke-Jr_work> How do I get Wireshark in Kubuntu?
[08:19] <BluesKaj> if you click on the lil arrow ytoull see it Jucato
[08:20] <Jucato> ah yes. I had those arrows hidden
[08:20] <Jucato> BluesKaj: unfortunately that's not what mrmist was looking for
[08:22] <BluesKaj> yeah Jucato, the options are rather limited :(
[08:22] <mrmist> Jucato: cool... I found a way to make it appear in the systray when launching. Now... if I only could remove it from the list of "running apps", everything's fine
[08:22] <Jucato> BluesKaj: the options in Configure System Tray are like Windows' Auto Hide
[08:22] <mrmist> Seems I don't need "alltray" though...
[08:23] <Jucato> mrmist: really? nice. how did you do it?
[08:23] <Jucato> MrObvious: what do you mean list of running apps? the taks bar?
[08:23] <Trollinator> Hm, i almost finished building kdelibs4 .o)
[08:23] <Trollinator> 96%
[08:23] <Jucato> s/taks/task
[08:23] <mrmist> closed the window... sorry :P
[08:23] <lupine_85> nothing beats "top" :)
[08:23] <pavi> is it 4.0 or 3.8 ?
[08:24] <mrmist> Any way to make any app NOT appear in the Taskbar when running ?
[08:24] <Jucato> pavi: Dapper is using kdelibs4...
[08:24] <pavi> dapper ?
[08:24] <BluesKaj> ahhh , trying to hide stuff eh ? :)
[08:24] <pavi> ubuntu?
[08:24] <Luke-Jr_work> remove the taskbar?
[08:24] <Jucato> no
[08:24] <Jucato> not remove the taskbar...
[08:25] <pavi> ?
[08:25] <Luke-Jr_work> How do I get Wireshark/Ethereal in Kubuntu?
[08:25] <mrmist> hmm.. not remove the taskbar. Just hiding Thunderbird and ONLY make it visible in the taskbar
[08:25] <BluesKaj> move them into the "hidden icons" side
[08:26] <Jucato> pavi: Dapper uses kdelibs4c2a
[08:26] <mrmist> if you right-click a button, enter "configure Thunderbird Mail Button.."->"Application"->"Advanced Options"->"Place in system tray"
[08:26] <Jucato> mrmist: ah yes.. forgot that one.
[08:26] <Jucato> now I remember having to use alltray in GNOME :)
[08:27] <mrmist> Jucato: But I don't want TB to appear in the taskbar
[08:27] <raindog> After installing the kubuntu-desktop it has changed the intial splash/loading sequence screen.  Is there a way to retrieve the default orange/red one?
[08:28] <Jucato> mrmist: right-click on the titlebar of the window > Advanced > Special Window Settings > Preferences tab > enable "Skip Taskbar" then set it to "Force" and check the box beside Force
[08:35] <slow-motion> hallo
[08:35] <karppa> hillo
[08:37] <lupine_85> hollo
[08:37] <lupine_85> ;)
[08:37] <sveta> hey....who i from estland?
[08:40] <bobbin> How come the strigi:/ shortcut doesn't appear in "Konqueror>Settings>Configure Konqueror>Web shortcuts"? I know strigi isn't strictly a *web* shortcut, but its format is, so why doesn't it show up there?
[08:53] <weedar> Is there a faster alternative to "remote desktop connection"? Using a laptop to control a desktop, connected with wireless and wired network respectively there is some lag
[08:54] <lupine_85> weedar: ssh for CLI access
[08:54] <h3sp4wn> weedar: ssh portforwarding or freenx are both reasonable solutions
[08:54] <h3sp4wn> !freenx
[08:54] <ubotu> freenx is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[08:55] <weedar> thanks for the link h3sp4wn, I'll check it out
[08:55] <weedar> lupine_85: I use ssh when I need it, but at the moment I also need a graphical interface so... :)
[08:57] <will> I've been having some issues with adept recently.  I'm still new to linux.  Anyone want to help me out in that area?
[08:57] <raindog> After installing the kubuntu-desktop it has changed the initial splash/loading sequence screen.  Is there a way to retrieve the default orange/red one?
[08:58] <eaglehawk> anyone who can help me with sound issue
[08:59] <trappist> will, eaglehawk: you'll have better luck describing the specific problem.  people don't like to volunteer to help you with a problem before they know what the problem is.
[09:00] <will> word.
[09:00] <will> My current problem is this error: You will not be able to change your system settings in any way (install, remove or upgrade software), because another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). Please close the other application before using this one.
[09:01] <MenZa> Is it possible to drag the channels pane to the lefthand side, like in x-chat?
[09:01] <will> Days ago, I was trying to install a java plugin for mozilla
[09:01] <will> it downloaded and then froze during the install.  I quit it and restarted the computer.  It must be running in the background though
[09:02] <introp> will: at a console, type:
[09:03] <introp> ps -AH | grep adept
[09:03] <introp> You should (hopefully) only see one line.
[09:04] <skavenge> raindog: sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so
[09:04] <will> is that a break after AH?
[09:04] <trappist> will: it's a pipe.  should be above your enter key.
[09:04] <introp> space, the pipe char (shift \)
[09:04] <raindog> skavenge:  that will return it to the normal gnome red/orange splash?
[09:04] <introp> copy and paste from this window whenever you can.
[09:05] <skavenge> raindog: if you run it in console it will let you pick which one it starts with by entering a number
[09:05] <raindog> skavenge:  wow, that's reallly helpful.  :)
[09:05] <skavenge> glad it helped
[09:06] <will> trappist: I got...   5910 ?        00:00:05   adept
[09:07] <introp> Yep.  It's running.  Hmm.
[09:07] <trappist> will: sudo killall adept
[09:08] <will> trappist: DONE
[09:08] <introp> will: the same ps command should show no adept entries running now.
[09:09] <desi> hooola
[09:09] <mrmist> Ok guys... here's a hard nut... Major opcode of failed request:  134 (XFree86-VidModeExtension)
[09:09] <desi> quiero conocer chicos guapos y inteligentes
[09:09] <will> introp: bingo
[09:10] <will> how do you recommend going about getting java support for mozilla.  through adept?  java website?
[09:12] <will> introp: I'm still getting the same error on starting up adept
[09:12] <introp> It's been quite a while since I had to set it up.  Unfortunately, I don't recall what I did.  Installing the latest java from sun was the trick, I think, but that does involve knowing what directories go where.  There must be an easier solution.
[09:12] <introp> Are you running adept from the system tray, or from a console?
[09:12] <will> introp: system tray
[09:13] <will> introp: i'm a newbie.  still hooked to the gui
[09:13] <mrmist> Major opcode of failed request:  134 (XFree86-VidModeExtension)
[09:15] <daniloc> !seen asset
[09:15] <ubotu> I last saw asset<EMAIL_ADDRESS>32m 20s ago, quiting: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
[09:17] <introp> will: once you verify that adept isn't running again, try deleting the lock file so:
[09:17] <introp> sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[09:19] <introp> You may also wish to see: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=473263 and/or http :// www .ubuntuforums. org/showthread.php?t=235016
[09:19] <introp> Let's try that second link again: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=235016
[09:20] <will> introp: how do I do that
[09:20] <introp> will: do which?
[09:20] <will> never mind
[09:20] <weedar_> h3sp4wn: thanks, freenx seems to work fine. Only problem is that it starts a new X session, instead of continuing the existig one
[09:21] <h3sp4wn> weedar_: I don't think you can make it continue the existing one (but someone else may know more about it)
[09:21] <will> ok I ran the command.  should I try adept again
[09:21] <halfbloodprince> okay people, i gotta go
[09:21] <halfbloodprince> thanks for all the help guys
[09:22] <halfbloodprince> Jucato, mindspin, MitchM, lupine_25, Dr_Willis
[09:22] <introp> will: Give it a spin, but the first thread I linked indicates its a problem with the java install, and you have to do a little legwork to get adept happy again.
[09:22] <halfbloodprince> you guys are awesome
[09:22] <halfbloodprince> introp as well
[09:22] <will> k
[09:22] <introp> Take care.
[09:22] <halfbloodprince> will be back soon :)
[09:22] <halfbloodprince> see ya
[09:23] <mindspin> good luck
[09:23] <halfbloodprince> thanks
[09:23] <will> introp: looks like I'm going to have to do some more legwork.  I'll spend some time with those links. later.  I got to run to class.  Thanks for your help.
[09:24] <parsek> amarok doesnt work: it just skips the playlist and says playlist finished and if i play over lan it crashes
[09:24] <introp> Are they mp3  files, parsek?
[09:24] <parsek> yes
[09:24] <introp> You need to install an mp3 codec.  Let me find the wiki page on it...
[09:24] <introp> (it doesn't come with the default install due to potential legal issues.)
[09:24] <MenZa> !mp3
[09:24] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:24] <MenZa> :)
[09:25] <skavenge> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[09:25] <introp> Rawr.  Thanks, MenZa
[09:25] <milco> 'Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape,'  << what is the path of this folder
[09:25] <milco> on kubuntu?
[09:25] <MenZa> No worries.
[09:25] <introp> milco: usually /usr/lib/mozilla, but check to make sure there are libraries there first.
[09:25] <parsek> damn your fast  ^^
[09:26] <milco> ahhh its
[09:26] <milco> ./usr/lib/mozilla-firefox !
[09:26] <lupine_85> milco: only if you're in / ?
[09:27] <parsek> what word should i search the mp3 codec for amarok with adept
[09:27] <skavenge> parsek: the package name is libxine-extracodecs
[09:27] <milco> lupine_85: ?
[09:27] <mindspin> you have multiverse to be enabled afaik
[09:28] <parsek> ahh sorry you were too fast missed it at first time :D THX
[09:30] <lupine_85> ./usr/lib/mozilla-firefoz
[09:30] <lupine_85> ./usr/lib/mozilla-firefox, rather
[09:30] <lupine_85> '.' == current directory
[09:33] <daniloc> !seen asset
[09:33] <falcon3> Hi, my Konqueror isn't working anymore, but it is when i'm doing "kdesu konqueror", anyone an idea? i guess it has something to do with permissions. I got the error when i changed icons and bouncing busy cursor in kcontrol. I changed it back but the problem is still there :(
[09:33] <ubotu> I last saw asset<EMAIL_ADDRESS>50m 43s ago, quiting: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)
[09:34] <parsek> thx skavenge it works now but i get another more serious problem: when i play music over lan amarok crashes, what should i do
[09:38] <dhq> startx dosnt work i get error screens found but no valid configuration
[09:38] <dhq> DaSkreech: hi
[09:38] <DaSkreech> Hello dhq
[09:38] <DaSkreech> How are you?
[09:39] <dhq> doin good and you
[09:39] <DaSkreech> Kinda angry :)
[09:39] <dhq> y ??
[09:40] <dhq> Hawkwind: you there ???
[09:40] <milco> DaSkreech: im still bussy with xgl :P
[09:41] <TheFuzzball> hi, when I do sudo apt-get -f install kde it gives me: Depends: kdemultimedia (>= 4:3.4.3) but it is not going to be installed
[09:41] <milco> gettin somewhere finally...... (near towards making a new guide..)
[09:41] <DaSkreech> milco: You will be for along time
[09:41] <milco> no
[09:41] <milco> DaSkreech: i know what im doing :P
[09:41] <DaSkreech> dhq: I'm trying to get a plone site working and i'ts being an idiot
[09:41] <DaSkreech> milco: Yes but it's still amoving target as I said :)
[09:41] <TheFuzzball> when I do sudo apt-get -f install I get kdemultimedia libarts1-audiofile (>= 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu5) but it is not going to be installed
[09:42] <TheFuzzball> and then when I try to install libarts1-audiofile it says kdemultimedia-dev (< 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu2) but 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu5 is to be installed
[09:42] <TheFuzzball> how do I fix this?
[09:42] <TheFuzzball> sorry for the pasting btw :)
[09:42] <milco> DaSkreech: you and ur moving target.... :D, is there a kubuntu wiki....
[09:42] <dhq> DaSkreech: startx dosnt work i get error screens found but no valid configuration
[09:42] <milco> then i hang it online in it....... and keep updating it
[09:43] <DaSkreech> milco: Yes there is
[09:43] <sebastian929> hey does anyone here know how to install unreal tournamnet on a 64 bit system?
[09:43] <TheFuzzball> dhq: can't you sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[09:43] <dhq> TheFuzzball: i tried that still the same
[09:44] <dhq> DaSkreech: any idea
[09:44] <TheFuzzball> dhq: emm, I had a simelar problem with Edgy, it said No screens found, which is odd because it was displaying the message on the "screen" :)
[09:45] <dhq> TheFuzzball: so what did you do
[09:45] <DaSkreech> dhq: grep the Xlog for EE and paste the results
[09:45] <TheFuzzball> dhq: I just reinstalled :) and it all worked :)
[09:45] <dhq> reinstalled the whole edgy
[09:45] <dhq> hey i am in console it is not possible to copy paste
[09:46] <TheFuzzball> dhq: yea, it only takes half an hour, and I have all of my docs on a seperate Partition
[09:46] <james___> whoa, anyone installed XGL?
[09:46] <DaSkreech> >_< I remember that' I think Links2 can do it
[09:46] <dhq> TheFuzzball: okies
[09:46] <TheFuzzball> dhq: :)
[09:46] <DaSkreech> dhq: No other ocmputers you can use to ssh into your box?
[09:46] <eaglehawk> hello everybody..is there any good webcam software for linux
[09:46] <davne> hello, someone speak spanish?
[09:46] <james___> Ive just installed XGL and Compiz, and its soooooo slow
[09:46] <heinkel_111> !es
[09:46] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[09:46] <h3sp4wn> dhq: It is if you use screen (control A [ space space )
[09:47] <TheFuzzball> anyway, does anyone know how to downgrade kdemultimedea-dev from 3.5.4-0ubuntu5 to 3.5.4-0ubuntu2?
[09:47] <dhq> TheFuzzball: i am on a lonly laptop
[09:47] <TheFuzzball> dhq: I am on a Laptop too :)
[09:47] <h3sp4wn> TheFuzzball: Just install the lower deb from /var/cache/apt/archives (if you still have it)
[09:47] <heinkel_111> anyone got some clues as to where i can find a guide concerning dual-head monitor configuration
[09:47] <heinkel_111> ?
[09:48] <h3sp4wn> dhq: You could also use gpm
[09:48] <james___> h3sp4wn: were you talking to me?
[09:48] <dhq> h3sp4wn: what is gpm
[09:48] <james___> oh no
[09:48] <eaglehawk> what is gpm
[09:48] <h3sp4wn> !gpm
[09:48] <ubotu> gpm: General Purpose Mouse Interface. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.19.6-21ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 201 kB, installed size 496 kB
[09:49] <dhq> h3sp4wn: do you know what i can do
[09:49] <TheFuzzball> h3sp4wn: I don't :(
[09:49] <dhq> h3sp4wn: help me plz
[09:49] <dhq> DaSkreech: startx dosnt work i get error screens found but no valid configuration
[09:49] <_pete> try just putting in gui
[09:49] <dhq> h3sp4wn: ^
[09:49] <DaSkreech> milco: http://wiki.kubuntu.org
[09:50] <eaglehawk> can anybody tell me how to use webcam in kopete
[09:50] <_pete> hey does anybody here have a working rt2x00 and can they post their conf somewhere??
[09:50] <_pete> not finding a lot on the serialmonkey forums
[09:51] <Trollinator> eaglehawk: webcams work an MSN Messenger only
[09:51] <h3sp4wn> james___: No
[09:51] <Trollinator> _pete: is that a WLAN card?
[09:51] <milco> !nvidia
[09:51] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:52] <_pete> trollinator: yea
[09:52] <james___> anyone installed XGL and found it really slow
[09:53] <_pete> trollinator: i cant get the card to scan, im pretty sure modules are loaded proper.
[09:53] <Trollinator> is it being listed in iwconfig?
[09:53] <Trollinator> hm, strange
[09:53] <_pete> yea its listed
[09:53] <_pete> i get a crazy error, give me a min and i'll post it
[09:53] <justin_> I installed kubuntu on my lappy instead of windows
[09:54] <Trollinator> i don't have so much experience with WLANs, but knetworkmanager usually makes things a lot easier to configure
[09:54] <graft> how come this 'zeroconf service discovery' is such a piece of crap? I can find services with avahi-discover but not through kde
[09:55] <h3sp4wn> _pete: The svn version needs 2.6.17+
[09:55] <h3sp4wn> dhq: gpm won't work with links2 -g anyway
[09:56] <slow-motion> n8
[09:56] <h3sp4wn> dhq: I have used the copy and paste functions of screen with the text mode of links with no problems
[09:57] <eaglehawk> how to make webcam in kopete work..help
[09:57] <TheFuzzball> does anyone have kdemultimedia-dev 4:3.5.4-0ubuntu2.deb in /var/cache/apt/archives ??
[09:57] <dhq> (EE) I810(0): vm86() syscall generated signal 4.
[09:57] <dhq> (EE) I810(0): VBE initialization failed.
[09:57] <dhq> (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
[09:57] <DaSkreech> eaglehawk: Not sure can you try in #kopete?
[09:58] <dhq> DaSkreech: TheFuzzball ^
[09:58] <_pete> h3sp4wn i got 2.5.17
[09:58] <lupine_85> TheFuzzball: can't you download it from the repos ?
[09:58] <_pete> i mean 2.6.17 sry
[09:58] <h3sp4wn> _pete: And its running and working ?
[09:59] <lupine_85> ? apt-get kdemultimedia-dev=4:3.5.4-0ubuntu2 ?
[09:59] <_pete> h3sp4wn yea
[09:59] <_pete> h3sp4wn i get this warning (sorry all im gonna cpy paste)
[09:59] <_pete> Warning: Driver for device wmaster0 has been compiled with version 20
[09:59] <_pete> of Wireless Extension, while this program supports up to version 19.
[09:59] <_pete> Some things may be broken...
[09:59] <_pete> so that may or may not be the prob
[09:59] <h3sp4wn> !info wireless-tools edgy
[10:00] <ubotu> wireless-tools: Tools for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions. In component main, is important. Version 28-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 104 kB, installed size 336 kB
[10:00] <soulrider> hi everyone
[10:00] <dhq> TheFuzzball: h3sp4wn  did you see the error i get
[10:00] <dhq> (EE) I810(0): vm86() syscall generated signal 4.
[10:00] <dhq> 01:27 < dhq> (EE) I810(0): VBE initialization failed.
[10:01] <h3sp4wn> _pete: I have not tried rt2xx (BETA) except on edgy are you using the daily tarball or svn ?
[10:02] <_pete> h3sp4wn daily
[10:02] <daniloc> anybody want to help me?
[10:02] <h3sp4wn> _pete: Edgy already has 2.6.17 (and the right version of wireless-tools)
[10:02] <daniloc> http://localhost/jinzora2/ what is it?
[10:02] <pushpop-> Edgy Rules!
[10:03] <_pete> !info edgy > _pete
[10:03] <ubotu> Package edgy does not exist in any distro I know
[10:03] <_pete> h3sp4wn how do i get edgy?
[10:03] <h3sp4wn> !ino rt2x00-source edgy
[10:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ino rt2x00-source edgy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:03] <h3sp4wn> !info rt2x00-source edgy
[10:03] <ubotu> Package rt2x00-source does not exist in edgy
[10:04] <Trollinator> Sid rules.
[10:04] <Trollinator> ubuntu sucks :o)
[10:04] <h3sp4wn> !edgy
[10:04] <ubotu> edgy is the current development version of Ubuntu. Version 6.10, codename "Edgy Eft". For support head to #ubuntu+1. For its release schedule, see !schedule
[10:04] <lupine_85> h3sp4wn: rt2x00 is nowhere near ready for production use yet
[10:04] <lupine_85> rt2400 and rt2500 are included in linux-image
[10:05] <lupine_85> (but significantly out of date in dapper)
[10:05] <_pete> hmm
[10:05] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: I am using it with pretty decent stability - (with dscape hostapd)
[10:05] <james___> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
[10:05] <lupine_85> h3sp4wn: which chipset?
[10:05] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: pci rt2500
[10:05] <_pete> so i upgraded my kernel to find out i'm screwed
[10:05] <lupine_85> ah. My experience is with rt2570
[10:06] <Trollinator> hm... 65% of kdebase built :)
[10:06] <lupine_85> dropouts every minute or so with current CVS :(
[10:06] <lupine_85> still, getting better
[10:06] <h3sp4wn> That is usb for you though
[10:06] <lupine_85> once I upgrade to Edgy, I'll probably start adding rt2x00 to my Ralink repo
[10:06] <_pete> how can i roll back my wireless-tools?
[10:06] <_pete> form v20 to 19
[10:06] <lupine_85> (currently only has the legacy drivers and rutilt in)
[10:06] <h3sp4wn> _pete: I think it means you need a newer wireless tools
[10:07] <_pete> hmm
[10:07] <Trollinator> sudo aptitude remove wireless-tool && sudo aptitude install wireless-tools=27+28pre13-1ubuntu2
[10:08] <lupine_85> probably quite naughty of me ;)
[10:08] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: So does that mean you made deb's of it for dapper
[10:08] <lupine_85> yep
[10:08] <lupine_85> compiled against the major kernel permutations
[10:08] <lupine_85> x86 and amd64
[10:08] <eaglehawk> anybody knows how to deal with webcams
[10:08] <lupine_85> !webcam
[10:08] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[10:09] <h3sp4wn> _pete: Get the latest wireless-tools from lupine_85
[10:09] <lupine_85> oh, sorry. I thought you meant the drivers
[10:09] <eaglehawk> thanks
[10:09] <eaglehawk> no I have the driver installed
[10:09] <lupine_85> I built wireless-tools from source and copied it over the current binaries
[10:09] <_pete> lupine_85 how can i get that?
[10:10] <lupine_85> http://www.hpl.hp.co.uk/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Tools.html
[10:10] <lupine_85> I made, then installed into /
[10:10] <lupine_85> then I had to move the man files into /usr/share/man, IIRC
[10:11] <h3sp4wn> _pete: add deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free (to /etc/apt/sources.list) then run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -b source wireless-tools
[10:11] <lupine_85> not recommended, btw - although it does get rid of the silly warning about wireless extensions
[10:11] <TechSalvager> troll OMG windows sucks, kubuntu is awesome troll
[10:12] <_pete> bah. i have nothing important on thus laptop
[10:12] <lupine_85> :)
[10:12] <lupine_85> building from source is probably a better idea than installing a debian package
[10:12] <lupine_85> though since it's all static, it doesn't matter too much I guess
[10:12] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: Building from the debian source is better than using normal source (in my experience for small packages)
[10:13] <Trollinator> actually, kubuntu isn't really a good distro
[10:13] <lupine_85> h3sp4wn: I prefer to avoid getting strange version numbers into the apt database
[10:13] <lupine_85> Trollinator: course it isn't :)
[10:14] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: I just build what I want and deal with it (apt is pretty sensible most of the time)
[10:14] <lupine_85> I guess it only really matters on a dist-upgrade
[10:15] <lupine_85> emerge++
[10:15] <lupine_85> If compilation was fast, I'd never look back ;)
[10:15] <h3sp4wn> lupine_85: ever used gentoo uclibc ?
[10:15] <lupine_85> no... though I do use uclibc on an embedded firewall
[10:16] <lupine_85> well, firewall+router+wireless access point
[10:16] <lupine_85> good times patching icmp6.h :D
[10:16] <_pete> ok, i added that repo and i dont see any updates, im gonna roll back
[10:16] <h3sp4wn> _pete: Which repo ?
[10:17] <h3sp4wn> _pete: The debian source one ?
[10:17] <h3sp4wn> _pete: sudo apt-get -b source wireless-tools (it will build the source and make deb's for you
[10:17] <_pete> h3sp4wn right
[10:17] <h3sp4wn> Then you can just use dpkg -i *.deb (should be ok)
[10:18] <_pete> Build command 'cd wireless-tools-28 && dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc' failed.
[10:18] <_pete> E: Child process failed
[10:18] <alex___> does anyone know how to change the font on the gnome panels?
[10:18] <h3sp4wn> _pete: complaining about dependancies ?
[10:20] <_pete> no, im gonna see if the errors are arbitrary and try recompiling the modules
[10:20] <h3sp4wn> _pete: do apt-get source wireless-tools (should take it from sid) to a directory somewhere - then remove the sid repo from sources.list
[10:20] <h3sp4wn> then do apt-get -b source wireless-tools again (should take the ubuntu one) copy the debian/control file across to the sid one
[10:21] <h3sp4wn> sudo apt-get build-dep wireless-tools
[10:21] <h3sp4wn> then debuild -uc -us
[10:21] <h3sp4wn> actually just take the dependancies from the control file (don't copy it all across)
[10:22] <heinkel_111> do dual-head monitors need different "identifier" tags in xorg.conf, or just the screens need to have different identity?
[10:22] <heinkel_111> my two monitors are equal
[10:22] <matt_> just installed kubuntu - whart is default root password?
[10:22] <matt_> i can't seem to su
[10:23] <BonBonTheJon> matt, in ubuntu there is no password for root
[10:23] <matt_> how do i su?
[10:23] <heinkel_111> matt_:  you become root by using sudo
[10:23] <heinkel_111> you will be prompteed for password
[10:23] <BonBonTheJon> matt, you need to sudo password root
[10:23] <BonBonTheJon> passwd*
[10:23] <heinkel_111> sudo yourcommand
[10:24] <_pete> when i apt-get build-dep wireless-tools it starts to whine about not haveing dependenciew
[10:24] <_pete> s
[10:24] <_pete> hmmm should i just switch to edgy?
[10:25] <lupine_85> could well break your X
[10:25] <BonBonTheJon> pete, edgy is still beta, you're better off with dapper
[10:25] <lupine_85> TBH, building from vanilla source is starting to look like the easier option
[10:25] <h3sp4wn> _pete: It definately works fine on edgy
[10:26] <milco> ive inserted a 'normal' usb mouse...
[10:26] <milco> should it work isntantly?
[10:26] <Hawkwind> milco: What do you define as 'normal' ?
[10:26] <_pete> milco: yes
[10:26] <Hawkwind> milco: I just changed mice yesterday to a new Logitech MX1000 laser mouse and all I did was unplug my old one and plug this one in.  Worked instantly for me
[10:27] <lupine_85> milco: normal USB mice are supported in the kernel
[10:27] <lupine_85> if it all goes bad, you could use a USB->PS/2 adaptor
[10:27] <lupine_85> (both my mouse and keyboard are through those, but only 'cos I'm running out of USB ports!)
[10:27] <Kr4t05> Hah!
[10:27] <Kr4t05> I win!
[10:27] <Hawkwind> Though the chances of it going bad are probably pretty slim
[10:28] <heinkel_111> can i run dual head without Xinerama?
[10:28] <Hawkwind> heinkel_111: If you have Nvidia you can run TwinView
[10:28] <introp> Yes, but you'll get two X desktops.  That may be good or bad.
[10:28] <Hawkwind> heinkel_111: I believe Xinerama is what ATI uses
[10:28] <heinkel_111> which is better..i ahve Nvidia
[10:28] <Hawkwind> heinkel_111: TwinView allows you to stretch your desktop across both monitors
[10:29] <Hawkwind> heinkel_111: Xinerama is as introp stated.  You'll have two seperate desktops, one on each monitor
[10:29] <heinkel_111> is it in the kubuntu repositories?
[10:29] <h3sp4wn> Can you have one screen showing the vt's and one showing X with any cards (and somehow move the keyboard between monitors with a key combo or something ?)
[10:29] <milco> hmmm my 'normal' usb mice does not work in X
[10:29] <rumix> the nvidia driver?
[10:29] <mustech> hi all
[10:29] <milco> i got a ps2 and a usb mouse connected
[10:29] <milco> only the usb works :(
[10:29] <Hawkwind> heinkel_111: The nvidia drivers are if that's what you're asking
[10:29] <rumix> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[10:29] <h3sp4wn> Xinerama can do both methods afaik
[10:30] <mustech> i want good repository list
[10:30] <milco> sudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common
[10:30] <milco> as well
[10:30] <skavenge> how can i make kde automount my ipod?
[10:30] <h3sp4wn> (I have seen xinerama stretched over 4 monitors)
[10:30] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: It can, but from what I hear it's a lot more difficult than using Nvidia's TwinView
[10:31] <mustech> any help?
[10:32] <h3sp4wn> !easysource
[10:32] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[10:32] <mustech> thanks
[10:33] <h3sp4wn> mustech: I wouldn't recommend any repository not in there (other than maybe dapper-commercial which has opera and realplayer in it (see canocials website)
[10:34] <mustech> i appreciate your help
[10:35] <skavenge> how can i make kde automount my ipod? is there any app that will rebuild the entire ipod structure and start from scratch?
[10:36] <Jucato> Hawkwind: ping
[10:36] <TechSalvager> whats the name of the wine package?
[10:36] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I'm still napping :P
[10:36] <Hawkwind> TechSalvager: wine
[10:36] <Jucato> heh
[10:36] <Hawkwind> !info wine
[10:36] <TechSalvager> sure?
[10:36] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.9-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 8578 kB, installed size 40460 kB
[10:36] <Jucato> abattoir is nowhere to be found
[10:36] <Hawkwind> TechSalvager: Absolutely positive
[10:37] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Ughhhhhhh, I hope he shows up
[10:37] <h3sp4wn> TechSalvager: Get the ones from wine.budget-dedicated.com
[10:37] <Jucato> he better...
[10:37] <TechSalvager> Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:37] <TechSalvager> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:37] <TechSalvager> is only available from another source
[10:37] <Hawkwind> Ohhh, he's not even online :(
[10:37] <Hawkwind> TechSalvager: As it just stated, it's in Universe.  Enable your repos
[10:37] <TechSalvager> how to?
[10:38] <Jucato> well, if it's any comfort, Hobbsee still ain't here, either...
[10:38] <Hawkwind> TechSalvager: deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main
[10:38] <Hawkwind> TechSalvager: Add that line to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:38] <Hawkwind> TechSalvager: Then do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install wine
[10:38] <TechSalvager> hmm
[10:38] <Hawkwind> __mikem: It's Windows junk, don't count on it :P
[10:38] <milco> hmmmm.. is there a way to tell kde what mouse to use?
[10:38] <Hawkwind> Jucato: That's even worse!
[10:39] <Jucato> lol
[10:39] <milco> i got a ps2/ and a usb connected - but only the ps2 works
[10:39] <TechSalvager> can I start a gui editor though sudo or something?
[10:39] <Hawkwind> milco: Have you restarted X after plugging in the USB mouse ?
[10:39] <Hawkwind> TechSalvager: sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:39] <introp> TechSalvager: kdesu kate <filename>
[10:39] <milco> yeah tried that
[10:39] <Hawkwind> TechSalvager: Replace kwrite with your favorite editor
[10:39] <Hawkwind> milco: Have you looking in systemsettings or even in kcontrol ?
[10:39] <Jucato> Hawkwind: sudo to launch a GUI app? tsk tsk tsk :)
[10:40] <Hawkwind> milco: Are you sure the USB port is good ?
[10:40] <Hawkwind> Jucato: Ooopsss, typo :P
[10:40] <milco> i checked system settings, but all i could find there was normal mouse settings
[10:40] <milco> Hawkwind: the light on the mouse burns..............
[10:40] <Hawkwind> TechSalvager: kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list   is what you need
[10:40] <Hawkwind> milco: Are you sure the mouse works other than that ?
[10:41] <Jucato> lol
[10:41] <milco> Hawkwind: yes it works in other machines
[10:42] <milco> ive replugged it and now it works
[10:42] <Hawkwind> milco: systemsettings -> Mouse   you looked there ?
[10:42] <Hawkwind> Ahhhh
[10:42] <milco> usb doesnt have really good connectors
[10:42] <milco> thats obvious ^^
[10:43] <heinkel_111> y
[10:43] <heinkel_111> sry thought that was the perfect answer to another question ;)
[10:44] <BluesKaj> installed tovid and the dependencies but tovid won't run
[10:44] <BluesKaj> !tovid
[10:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tovid - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:45] <Jucato> 15 minutes to go, and yet no sign of the two...
[10:45] <james___> anyopne got a Nvidia FX5200?
[10:45] <Hawkwind> james___: I do
[10:45] <h3sp4wn> Jucato: 15 minutes to go to what ? (15 minutes closer to death is all I can think of)
[10:46] <Hawkwind> h3sp4wn: Meeting
[10:46] <james___> Hawkwind: do u have any problems gettin 3D accel to work?
[10:46] <Jucato> in the meantime, I just realized that I don't know what model my Logitech mouse it..
[10:47] <Hawkwind> james___: Absolutely not.  I'm also using TwinView(dual monitors)
[10:47] <Jucato> ah there....
[10:47] <Jucato> Logitech M-UV69a Optical Wheel Mouse.. Thank you KInfoCenter!
[10:48] <intelikey> mmm hmmm  some startup script doesn't like a blank motd --> mv: overwrite `/etc/motd', overriding mode 0644?
[10:48] <milco> i would like to connect to my server (Which runs kubuntu) now as well..
[10:48] <milco> tips?
[10:48] <james___> Hawkwind: hmm, did u use the driver from the NVidia site? or just nvidia-glx
[10:48] <intelikey> i locked the file to see if something was over writing it,  and it is.
[10:48] <Hawkwind> milco: ssh ?
[10:49] <Hawkwind> james___: I use the nvidia-glx stuff currently, though I've used both
[10:49] <intelikey> milco two linux boxen ?   sshd on one ssh in from the other
[10:49] <milco> Hawkwind: i would like to see a whole desktop
[10:49] <Hawkwind> milco: vnc or something similar
[10:49] <milco> i know 22.. ; )
[10:49] <milco> Hawkwind: and i know vnc
[10:49] <milco> but kubuntu has something build in maybe?
[10:50] <milco> krfb :/
[10:50] <Hawkwind> milco: No idea.  I really have no use for that stuff
[10:50] <LeeJunFan> kde supports VNC
[10:50] <Hawkwind> I just use ssh to my server.  I don't need a GUI on a server box
[10:50] <milco> LeeJunFan: ?
[10:50] <intelikey> milco yeah ssh+tightvnc+kde
[10:50] <james___> Hawkwind:  what do you get if you type "  glxinfo | grep rendering " at teh command line
[10:51] <LeeJunFan> milco: kcontrol->internet & network -> Desktop Sharing
[10:51] <Hawkwind> james___: Yes of course :)
[10:51] <james___> what output u get?
[10:51] <james___> from
[10:51] <james___> glxinfo | grep rendering
[10:51] <Hawkwind> direct rendering: Yes
[10:51] <Hawkwind> OpenGL renderer string: GeForce FX 5200/AGP/SSE2
[10:51] <Hawkwind> As I stated, it says 'Yes'
[10:51] <james___> mer
[10:51] <james___> i just get
[10:51] <james___> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
[10:52] <milco> LeeJunFan: what is the standard port?
[10:52] <LeeJunFan> 5900
[10:52] <intelikey> oh yeah i need a list of what is supposed to be in /dev/sound/   ls -l  please ?   if it's not over 10 or 12 you can msg me.  thanks in advance. :)
[10:52] <milco> vnc... cool =) thanks LeeJunFan :)
[10:52] <Zamboulie> my friend is trying to run folding at home
[10:53] <Zamboulie> chmod +x /home/derek/Desktop/FAH504-Linux.exe  he uses that command
[10:53] <james___> Hawkwind: dont supposed u could pastebucket me your xorg.conf?
[10:53] <LeeJunFan> milco: yer welcome.
[10:53] <james___> Hawkwind: i jsut get Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
[10:53] <Zamboulie> but if he types ./FAH504-Linux.exe it says file not found
[10:53] <milco> LeeJunFan: ok, then i have one more question :D
[10:53] <milco> does kubuntu come with a client for it as well? :D
[10:53] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: wasn't it you that got kicked for pm'ing an op last week?
[10:53] <Hawkwind> james___: http://pastebin.ulteo.us/92
[10:53] <Zamboulie> can someone help
[10:54] <james___> Hawkwind: tyvm.   have u ever had this error?
[10:54] <intelikey> last week ?  no.    and i don't think i've ever been kicked for pming anyone...
[10:54] <Hawkwind> james___: Nope
[10:54] <Jucato> yay abattoir!!
[10:54] <LeeJunFan> milco: yeah. krdc
[10:55] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: someone else - nvm :0
[10:56] <intelikey> LeeJunFan i did get kicked one time for doing !ops when the oper thought it unnessasary  ;/
[10:56] <Riddell> ** kubuntu meeting in 5 minutes on #ubuntu-meeting
[10:56] <BluesKaj> the tovid ch seems unoccupied...what's the cmd to make tovid run?
[10:56] <Jucato> Hawkwind: you're off by 1 minute :)
[10:56] <lupine_85> what's a kubuntu meeting when it's at home?
[10:56] <lupine_85> Any point me showing up? ;)
[10:57] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: for the X server being borked and requesting a topic change?
[10:57] <Hawkwind> Jucato: I was actually looking at the clock sitting on my desk.  My computer clock is correct
[10:57] <Jucato> my computer clock is set to analog, so it's inaccurate anyway :)
[10:57] <lupine_85> not fuzzy?
[10:57] <lupine_85> fuzzy++
[10:58] <BluesKaj> anyone here using TOVID ?
[10:59] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: I was thinking that you pm'ed him and got kicked - if so. I was going to point out the FAQ says to go ahead an pm the staff.
[10:59] <LeeJunFan> owell.
[11:00] <davne> hi, i need help, my session ends unpredictable
[11:00] <brandon_> I need help as to why when i go to rip a sog from a cd it says cannot make directory
[11:01] <brandon_> song*
[11:01] <lupine_85> brandon_: do you have permissions for wherever you're copying it to?
[11:01] <davne> it comes to login screen sudenly
[11:01] <brandon_> what do you mean?
[11:02] <brandon_> I'm trying to copy it to my home folder
[11:02] <Slayer4blind> I don't get it though
[11:03] <lupine_85> permissions aren't the problem, then... no idea, sorry
[11:03] <Slayer4blind> well what is the permissions thing?
[11:03] <Slayer4blind> I never looked at that
[11:04] <lupine_85> Slayer4blind: that was @brandon_:
[11:04] <floppyh4x> Can someone help me with enabling sound in kubuntu under virtual PC ?
 intelikey: for the X server being borked <-- yes    sorry busy atm
[11:04] <Slayer4blind> I am brandon
[11:05] <lupine_85> oh, ok :)
[11:05] <Slayer4blind> lol
[11:05] <lupine_85> basically, the question was "do you have permission to write in the directory you're copying to"... the answer is, obviously, yes
[11:05] <Slayer4blind> my name never stays like this when i reconnect to IRC
[11:05] <TechSalvager> hmm my sony vaio brightness is fixed
[11:06] <Slayer4blind> hmm... I don't know
[11:06] <floppyh4x> I tried editing /etc/modules and adding snd-sb16 to it but when i boot my VPC he gave me an error
[11:06] <earthsound> from what does adept manager generate K menu items?
[11:06] <lupine_85> earthsound: .desktop files in the .deb files it installs
[11:07] <lupine_85> not .desktop == no .deb
[11:07] <floppyh4x> Sound server fatal error: cpu overload aborting.
[11:07] <lupine_85> erm, no menu item, rather
[11:07] <Slayer4blind> ummm
[11:07] <earthsound> lupine_85: where is the default save location of the packages?
[11:07] <h3sp4wn> floppyh4x: Is it an isa card
[11:07] <Slayer4blind> why does it say cannot make directory?
[11:07] <floppyh4x> yes that is what Virtual PC 2004 emulate
[11:07] <lupine_85>  /var/cache/apt I think
[11:07] <lupine_85> Slayer4blind: no idea, sorry
[11:08] <Slayer4blind> it's aright man
[11:08] <lupine_85> you have write permissions to your /home, so it must be something else
[11:08] <Slayer4blind> I'll figure it out
[11:08] <Slayer4blind> later
[11:09] <h3sp4wn> floppyh4x: No idea about virtual pc
[11:10] <floppyh4x> another question: How can i start and stop the soundserver in kubuntu?
[11:11] <lupine_85> killall artsd ?
[11:11] <lupine_85> then artsd &
[11:11] <lupine_85> or do it in the System Settings
[11:11] <lupine_85> (mine is permanently disabled ;) 0
[11:12] <Jucato> no sounds then?
[11:12] <floppyh4x> thank you lupine_85
[11:12] <lupine_85> Jucato: I get plenty of sounds
[11:12] <lupine_85> including startup and shutdown
[11:12] <Jucato> heh
[11:12] <Jucato> just no arts?
[11:12] <lupine_85> yep
[11:12] <floppyh4x> h3sp4wn: I will try "modprobe sb" ;-)
[11:13] <lupine_85> arts, esd, etc. annoy me
[11:13] <Jucato> heh
[11:13] <h3sp4wn> floppyh4x: If its an isa you may need to add the irq=5 dma=1 io=220 (or some such)
[11:13] <earthsound> lupine_85: I found a number of *.desktop files in /usr/share/applications. do I need to log out/log back in to see the latest installed packages in the k menu?
[11:14] <worstenboy> hi, i've installed xubunu, is it difficult to switch to kde ?
[11:14] <Jucato> earthsound: you can try typing this in Konsole to refresh the K Menu
[11:14] <earthsound> apparently, of all the *.desktop files in that folder, only the last one I installed (and during my current session) isn't listed in the k menu
[11:14] <Jucato> earthsound: kbuildsycoca --incremental
[11:14] <earthsound> Jucato: thanks, I'll give it a try
[11:15] <Jucato> earthsound: disregard the error messages that you get
[11:15] <Jucato> you will only have those error messages the first type you run that command
[11:15] <floppyh4x> h3sp4wn: can u help me with that :)
[11:15] <earthsound> Jucato: that worked. :) thanks
[11:16] <Jucato> earthsound: no problem
[11:16] <h3sp4wn> floppyh4x: As I say I don't know about virtual pc
[11:16] <MrObvious> hi
[11:17] <floppyh4x> im sorry :)
[11:22] <Kr4t05> Hey, ladies. :P
[11:25] <osh_> There are ladies here? Where? I thought linux users were all late teen boys with no life. ;-)
[11:25] <MuJ> I have manboobs
[11:25] <Jucato> lol
[11:26] <lupine_85> there's a community manager?
[11:26] <lupine_85> organised :)
[11:26] <skavenge> and has a kangaroo
[11:27] <Jucato> yeah
[11:27] <Jucato> I want to see her kangaroo... :)
[11:27] <osh_> Now that has to be one of the weirdest pets ever...
[11:27] <Jucato> not if you're an aussie :)
[11:27] <draik> What can Kubuntu max out on with RAM?
[11:27] <draik> I have 4GB, but only 3GB registers
[11:27] <draik> Sysinfo for 'Lair': Linux 2.6.15-26-686 running KDE 3.5.2, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)4CPU3.20GHz at 3216 MHz (6432 bogomips), , RAM: 341/3031MB, 112 proc's, 2.15min up
[11:28] <h3sp4wn> draik: You may have to recompile the kernel
[11:28] <osh_> Jucato: aren't those animals big dangerous fsckers?
[11:28] <Jucato> heh, I wouldn't know.
[11:28] <Jucato> maybe if you raise them right :)
[11:29] <MuJ> damn showoff draik :|
[11:29] <MuJ> gimme some of that ram
[11:29] <Jucato> heh
[11:29] <draik> recompile how?
[11:29] <h3sp4wn> draik: high memory support change to 64gb
[11:30] <draik> I set my BIOS to read dual-channel
[11:30] <h3sp4wn> draik: And it detects 4gb ?
[11:30] <osh_> I should probably get a sloth. That'll qualify me for the weird pets competition too. Imagine moving so seldom that algae starts growing on you... :-)
[11:30] <draik> huh?
[11:30] <lupine_85> draik: you should be able to do 4GB with a 32-bit CPU
[11:30] <draik> I have a 32-bit CPU
[11:30] <earthsound> anyone here use udftools?
[11:30] <draik> its just that it only reads 3GB
[11:30] <lupine_85> draik: the kernel supports 4G
[11:30] <lupine_85> 4GB*
[11:31] <draik> ok
[11:31] <lupine_85> so something is going wrong somewhere
[11:31] <draik> so why won't it read my other GB?
[11:31] <lupine_85> not sure. maybe you could report a bug?
[11:31] <lupine_85> I assume the BIOS/POST shows as 4GB?
[11:34] <intelikey> ok maybe i'm caught up for a minute....
[11:36] <TheGateKeeper> any idea how I would find out what kde modules the dev's use to build the kde desktop?
[11:38] <intelikey> TheGateKeeper might look in /usr/share/doc/kde* it should be documented  i think
[11:39] <zepelin> hi everyone
[11:39] <TheGateKeeper> intelikey: I'll have a look thanx
[11:40] <Jucato> zepelin: hi! were you able to download the Alternate Install CD?
[11:40] <zepelin> Jucato: yeah!
[11:40] <Jucato> zepelin: great!
[11:40] <zepelin> I've downloaded it, burned it and installed it
[11:40] <Jucato> zepelin: now you have installed build-essential?
[11:40] <zepelin> now I have gcc, make...
[11:40] <alex___> anyone know anything about changing the font color on the gnome panels?
[11:40] <zepelin> all the gnu are in the CD
[11:41] <Jucato> zepelin: :)
[11:41] <zepelin> now I can connect to the Internet
[11:41] <zepelin> many thanks for all
[11:41] <Hawkwind> zepelin: Great to hear :)
[11:43] <zepelin> ok, see you soon!
[11:44] <Hawkwind> zepelin: See ya
[11:44] <RedMAge> I just moved to Kubuntu and I would like to know how to install a printer
[11:44] <Hawkwind> RedMAge: systemsettings -> Printers
[11:45] <RedMAge> yes, I have gotten that far
[11:46] <graft> hey, anyone know anything about zeroconf support in KDE 3.5?
[11:47] <lupine_85> graft; the silly IP address thing?
[11:47] <graft> the silly IP address thing? um... i mean like DNS service discovery stuff
[11:48] <lupine_85> DHCP ?
[11:48] <graft> no... zeroconf
[11:48] <graft> it finds services on your local network
[11:48] <intelikey> zeroconf tool
[11:48] <graft> e.g. web servers, itunes shares, etc.
[11:49] <graft> xcept it doesn't seem to work too good
[11:49] <lupine_85> to me, that's the MS thing that gives you addresses in the 16?.*.*.* range
[11:49] <graft> DHCP isn't an MS thing, firstly
[11:49] <graft> but that's not what i mean
[11:49] <lupine_85> I know :)
[11:49] <lupine_85> I'm not being much help, sorry
[11:49] <graft> anywho, avahi-discover finds like EVERYTHING, hundreds of services on my local network (it's a big one)
[11:50] <graft> but none of 'em show up in the KDE zeroconf panel thingy, or in konqueror zeroconf:/
[11:50] <graft> err, a few of them show up in konqueror, but not all of them by a long stretch
[11:50] <graft> wtf is my probs?
[11:52] <graft> no one here uses that shit?
[11:52] <graft> dangit
[11:52] <intelikey> not i
[11:53] <_pete> so my desktop's wireless runs on kubuntu out of the box
[11:53] <_pete> it makes me so angry that i cant get my lappy working
[11:53] <graft> drop it a couple of times
[11:53] <graft> that usually works
[11:53] <_pete> heh.
[11:53] <graft> you'll be much less angry after that
[11:54] <graft> what's your laptop got inside it?
[11:54] <graft> computer parts, i'm assuming
[11:54] <_pete> broadcom junk
[11:54] <graft> broadcom
[11:54] <graft> um
[11:54] <graft> like atheros thingy?
[11:54] <_pete> i dont know
[11:54] <graft> what's lspci say?
[11:54] <_pete> what i do know is it needs rt2x00 drivers
[11:55] <_pete> and it is based on ralink 2500
[11:55] <_pete> pci
[11:55] <lupine_85> _pete: they're easy to get working
[11:55] <_pete> yeah yeah...
[11:55] <lupine_85> but if it's broadcom, then it's not
[11:55] <lupine_85> bcm43xx != rt2500 though
[11:55] <h3sp4wn> Broadcom is no problem with the firmware
[11:55] <coreymon77> what
[11:55] <coreymon77> linksys card
[11:55] <h3sp4wn> on 2.6.17
[11:55] <lupine_85> :)
[11:56] <lupine_85> dapper's kernel has horrendously out of date wlan drivers, IMO
[11:56] <coreymon77> if its ralink it works automatically
[11:56] <_pete> hmm some dude told me i had broadcom when i mentioned rt2x00 so i guess i was lying
[11:56] <lupine_85> lol, no. they're different
[11:56] <coreymon77> rt means ralink
[11:56] <_pete> cuz it is ra2500pci for sure
[11:56] <lupine_85> I run a repo for getting ralink cards working., if you want the details
[11:57] <_pete> for sure
[11:57] <lupine_85> (the module included in the dapper kernel is a year out of date)
[11:57] <lupine_85> what kernel do you run?
[11:57] <MetaMorfoziS> ??????
[11:57] <_pete> on my lappy - 2.6.17
[11:57] <lupine_85> self-built?
[11:58] <_pete> not really sure what that means....
[11:58] <lupine_85> did you build the kernel yourself?
[11:58] <lupine_85> or install it from somewhere?
[11:58] <_pete> yea i built it myself
[11:58] <_pete> did all the make install junk
[11:58] <lupine_85> ok, you should have no problems building the rt2500 driver as well :)
[11:58] <lupine_85> http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/
[11:59] <_pete> well i followed a great howto, im not that fluent in linux matters
[11:59] <lupine_85> Get the rt2500 daily CVS
[11:59] <_pete> ok
[11:59] <TheGateKeeper_> !vmware
[11:59] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository. Instructions to install VMWare Server can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingVMWare
[11:59] <lupine_85> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/rt2400/rt2500-1.1.0-b4.tar.gz?download
[11:59] <lupine_85> erm, no... hang on
[11:59] <lupine_85> http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/rt2500-cvs-daily.tar.gz
[11:59] <lupine_85> that's it
[12:00] <_pete> so skip the 2x00 and install just 2500 ... ok got it.
[12:00] <lupine_85> make install is Red Hat-based, so you have to add it to /etc/modprobe.d/aliases yourself
[12:00] <lupine_85> just the rt2500, yes
[12:00] <_pete> ok now this i have not heard, how do i do that?
[12:00] <_pete> like sudo modprobe "some other junk"
[12:00] <coreymon77> lupine: i have the rt2500 card
[12:01] <coreymon77> wrong
[12:01] <lupine_85> coreymon77: I suppose you're running the 2.6.17 kernel as well, eh? :)
[12:01] <coreymon77> mine worked out of the box
[12:01] <coreymon77> so to speak
[12:01] <lupine_85> _pete: you just add "alias rt2570 rausb0" to the end of /etc/modprobe.d/aliases
[12:01] <lupine_85> coreymon77: yes, it would do. you're using the default kernel
[12:02] <coreymon77> lupine: rt2500 right
[12:02] <lupine_85> but your driver is a year out of date, regardless
[12:02] <lupine_85> yep
[12:02] <h3sp4wn> rt2500 is pci
[12:02] <h3sp4wn> it uses ra0
[12:02] <_pete> mine froze on ifup otb
[12:02] <lupine_85> erm, yes. Sorry
[12:02] <lupine_85> alias rt2500 ra0
[12:02] <lupine_85> d'oh
[12:02] <coreymon77> great
[12:02] <coreymon77> amazing
[12:02] <lupine_85> (I use rt2570 myself)
[12:02] <lupine_85> the up to date driver is much smoother
[12:03] <lupine_85> I have pre-built binaries for *standard* kernels :D
[12:03] <coreymon77> whose got the problem
[12:03] <lupine_85> one for <IP_ADDRESS>, but I doubt it'd work on any kernel but mine
[12:03] <coreymon77> cause i know what to do
[12:03] <_pete> coreymon77 i think thats me
[12:03] <coreymon77> okay pete
[12:03] <_pete> lemme grab my lappy and boot up
[12:03] <_pete> one sec
[12:03] <coreymon77> is your nickname registered on nickserv>
[12:03] <coreymon77> ?
[12:04] <marsol0x> Arg! Why is wireless so frustrating?
[12:04] <james___> its not n00d lol
[12:04] <lupine_85> "make; sudo cp rt2500.ko /lib/modules/`uname -r`/extra; sudo echo ""alias rt2500 ra0" >> /etc/modprobe.d/aliases; sudo depmod -a; modprobe rt2500
[12:04] <shadowhywind> hi all
[12:04] <lupine_85> (_pete): not hard at all :)
[12:05] <_pete> coreymon77 nah.
[12:05] <marsol0x> I'm having troubles getting the damn thing to connect to the network that it sees.
[12:05] <lupine_85> then you can built rutilt and configure it graphically as well
[12:05] <coreymon77> do you have interface ra0 yet?
[12:05] <lupine_85> or just install it from "deb http://ubuntu.lupine.me.uk/ deb main"
[12:05] <_pete> yeah otb
[12:06] <coreymon77> alright
[12:06] <_pete> coreymon77 yeah, i get thru the configuration just fine, but it freezes when i try to ifup
[12:06] <coreymon77> pete: you dont use that
[12:06] <coreymon77> use iwconfig
[12:07] <_pete> lupine_85 i will get the drivers and rutilt
[12:07] <coreymon77> pete
[12:07] <lupine_85> _pete: you will need to build your own from source
[12:07] <coreymon77> listen here
[12:07] <coreymon77> i know what to do
[12:07] <lupine_85> don't use my <IP_ADDRESS> driver whatever you do :)
[12:07] <_pete> lupine_85 i know
[12:07] <lupine_85> coreymon77: why settle for a sub-par driver?
[12:07] <lupine_85> _pete: ok :)
[12:07] <coreymon77> type in a console "sudo iwconfig ra0 essid [your essid]
[12:07] <_pete> coreymon77 k listening
[12:07] <lupine_85> it *shouldn't* freeze on ifup
[12:08] <coreymon77> amd if you use a key add key [your wep key
[12:08] <_pete> lupine_85 i just want to get the thing on the net so i can install the drivers after lol
[12:08] <lupine_85> :) k#
[12:08] <_pete> ok i can do that
[12:08] <coreymon77> do u have a wep key?
[12:09] <_pete> yeah .... hold on ill let u know when im configured