[00:00] <valleydaddy78> Help
[00:00] <SkyLuke> Hello.  Could you please be a bit more specific?
[00:06] <valleydaddy78> thats the type of computer
[00:06] <Sachiru> It should have a model number after that
[00:06] <Sachiru> Usually 4 digits and a letter.
[00:06] <Sachiru> The Pavillion G6 has quite a few revisions, all of them with differing hardware.
[00:06] <Pushy> hi guys
[00:06] <valleydaddy78> how do i pull that info
[00:07] <Sachiru> ... It's printed on the bottom of the laptop?
[00:07] <Sachiru> In a label just below the battery pack?
[00:10] <ADW> You guys are so helpful and non-judgemental on this channel. If he would have asked that in fourum we would still be sifting through flame
[00:10] <ADW> lol
[00:11] <meowkitty666> ADW: I agree. this channel is awesome :)
[00:11] <Sachiru> Well
[00:11] <Sachiru> I just ate an entire bag of M&Ms
[00:11] <Sachiru> So the sugar rush is still boosting my mood.
[00:12] <FrMcKinsy> Hi
[00:12] <valleydaddy78> nope just my product key
[00:12] <Sachiru> @Valleydaddy78: Ok, a few questions then
[00:13] <Sachiru> First: Do you have a live CD of the latest version of ubuntu lying around? (14.04)
[00:13] <Sachiru> Second: Are you 100% sure that the wifi adapter hardware itself is working?
[00:13] <valleydaddy78> no
[00:13] <valleydaddy78> yes
[00:13] <Sachiru> Third: Are you working on a PC with ubuntu freshly installed, or did it come from an upgrade?
[00:14] <valleydaddy78> i was guided through terminal to be sure of the and the hardware switch works also
[00:14] <valleydaddy78> it*
[00:15] <Sachiru> Is it a fresh install or an upgrade from a previous version of ubuntu?
[00:16] <valleydaddy78> fresh
[00:16] <Sachiru> Also could you open a terminal, run this command, then paste the result here?
[00:16] <Sachiru> lspci -nn | grep
[00:16] <Sachiru> Sorry
[00:16] <Sachiru> lspci -nn | grep Ethernet  <--- this one
[00:17] <SkyLuke> strange thing on ubuntu server 14.04: when I log in, the summary says there are 7 packages that can be updated, though when I then run apt-get upgrade, it says 0 updated
[00:17] <valleydaddy78> 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller [10ec:8136] (rev 05)
[00:17] <Sachiru> lspci -nn | grep Network  <--- this one too please
[00:17] <Sachiru> Skyluke: Try apt-get update
[00:18] <Sachiru> Then apt-get dist-upgrade
[00:18] <valleydaddy78> nothing
[00:18] <Sachiru> Hmm. Nothing you say?
[00:18] <Sachiru> Please run "lshw" in terminal, copy entire output, put it to pastebin.com then paste the link here.
[00:19] <Sachiru> Do not directly pastebin it here; it will spit out a lot of lines and we will get flood-banned if you direct paste
[00:19] <valleydaddy78> ok
[00:24] <decryptme> I cannot boot to my laptop 12.04; my home partition is encrypted ... I don't know why I cannot boot... have reinstalled grub and whatever ... but after the purple/mauve/whatever screen ... the screen goes sort of bluish and nothing happens
[00:24] <valleydaddy78> http://pastebin.com/MvxbgSTy
[00:25] <Sachiru> @Valleydaddy: From your pastebin it appears that Ubuntu cannot detect your WiFi card
[00:26] <valleydaddy78> yeah how do i fix that
[00:27] <Sachiru> Could you please run lspci in a terminal window then copy-paste it to pastebin.com then post it back here?
[00:27] <valleydaddy78> @Sachiru yep
[00:27] <Beldar> SkyLuke, Are you seeung held packages in the terminal when you run  a update and upgrade, and if so what are they, in a pastebin if more than two lines.
[00:28] <Beldar> seeing*
[00:29] <valleydaddy78> @Sachiru http://pastebin.com/US6u9ghU
[00:30] <Beldar> SkyLuke, This would be an actual statement of held packages.
[00:30] <FrMcKinsy> How may the cpufreq be viewed from the desktop?
[00:31] <Sachiru> Is the WiFi card enabled?
[00:31] <Sachiru> There could be a hardware switch that needs to be toggled/pressed/switched for it to be detected.
[00:31] <valleydaddy78> dude i know nothing
[00:31] <Sachiru> It should at least show up in lspci
[00:31] <valleydaddy78> n00b
[00:31] <Sachiru> There should be a button or switch there directly on your laptop
[00:32] <Sachiru> That when pressed turns on or off the Wifi
[00:32] <valleydaddy78> i just pasted that
[00:32] <Sachiru> Not a button onscreen, a button directly on the keyboard or sides of the laptop
[00:32] <valleydaddy78> no it stays orange
[00:32] <gr33n7007h> valleydaddy78, rfkill list
[00:35] <valleydaddy78> 0: hp-wifi: Wireless LAN
[00:35] <valleydaddy78> 	Soft blocked: no
[00:35] <valleydaddy78> 	Hard blocked: yes
[00:35] <Sachiru> There's your problem
[00:36] <valleydaddy78> after i press the buton 0: hp-wifi: Wireless LAN
[00:36] <valleydaddy78> 	Soft blocked: no
[00:36] <valleydaddy78> 	Hard blocked: no
[00:36] <gr33n7007h> valleydaddy78, try rfkill unblock 0
[00:36] <Sachiru> Keep it at Hard blocked: no
[00:37] <Sachiru> Ok, did you run rfkill unblock 0?
[00:37] <valleydaddy78> yes
[00:37] <FrMcKinsy> Any clue?
[00:38] <Sachiru> Could you run rfkill list all?
[00:38] <valleydaddy78> 0: hp-wifi: Wireless LAN
[00:38] <valleydaddy78> 	Soft blocked: no
[00:38] <valleydaddy78> 	Hard blocked: no
[00:38] <Sachiru> After that
[00:38] <Sachiru> lspci -nn | grep Network  <--- run this again
[00:38] <valleydaddy78> same
[00:39] <Ben64> i'd almost guarantee its a broadcom based wireless card, very bad support under the best of circumstances. i'd recommend getting a usb wireless instead of spending the time getting the internal one working properly
[00:40] <Sachiru> @Ben: From googling the datasheet
[00:40] <valleydaddy78> id rather learn to do it properly
[00:40] <Sachiru> Most Pavillion G6es have Ralink
[00:40] <Sachiru> Not Broadcom
[00:40] <valleydaddy78> this one has ralink
[00:40] <FrMcKinsy> Ben64: What is recommended to view the cpu frequency from the desktop?
[00:40] <Sachiru> I'm just trying to make sure of what kind of Ralink he has
[00:41] <AndroUser> Once I plug in a USB device into my computer how do I find out the device name to mount it as
[00:41] <valleydaddy78> that one command brought it up
[00:41] <Sachiru> What version of the linux kernel is on there, valleydaddy?
[00:41] <Sachiru> So Wifi is OK now?
[00:42] <Ben64> FrMcKinsy: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq
[00:42] <AndroUser> Once I plug in a USB device into my computer how do I find out the device name to mount it as
[00:42] <Ben64> AndroUser: dmesg
[00:43] <valleydaddy78> hmmm how i pull it up
[00:43] <valleydaddy78> i just updated the kernel
[00:43] <Sachiru> @valleydaddy: Is. your. wifi. working. now. or. not.?
[00:43] <AndroUser> I did it mentions sdb but I can't mount sdb1 it says it doesn't exist
[00:43] <valleydaddy78> no its not
[00:44] <Ben64> AndroUser: try sdb then
[00:44] <FrMcKinsy> Ben64: that works
[00:44] <Sachiru> For kernel version run in terminal: uname -a
[00:45] <valleydaddy78> Linux chemo14 3.11.0-20-generic #35~precise1-Ubuntu SMP Fri May 2 21:32:55 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[00:45] <Mathias> Jordan_U: just wanted to let you know, i figured out my iommu problems :)
[00:45] <Mathias> it was a grumpy marvell sata controller that messed it up
[00:46] <Sachiru> What version of ubuntu is currently running there?
[00:46] <valleydaddy78> 12.04
[00:46] <Sachiru> This is a fresh install right?
[00:46] <valleydaddy78> yes
[00:46] <Sachiru> Nothing important is saved there at the moment right?
[00:47] <valleydaddy78> right
[00:47] <Sachiru> Then wipe everything and do a fresh install of the latest stable
[00:47] <Sachiru> 14.04
[00:47] <Sachiru> Your version is woefully out of date.
[00:47] <valleydaddy78> i did that first
[00:47] <valleydaddy78> didnt work
[00:47] <OerHeks> Sachiru, no it is not, 12.04 is supported until 2017
[00:48] <Sachiru> Still
[00:48] <Sachiru> I categorically refuse to troubleshoot
[00:48] <Sachiru> Old versions
[00:48] <valleydaddy78> yeah i think its supported for 5 yrs
[00:48] <valleydaddy78> lts
[00:48] <ianorlin> that doesn't mean other users can't :(\
[00:48] <OerHeks> ralink issues with wireless N are well known, trottle back to 54 Mbit
[00:49] <Ben64> for a fresh install, yeah i'd go with 14.04, but all the 12.04 people are still on 12.04 at least until 14.04.1 by default
[00:49] <stewart> good day or evening gents and ladies!!!!!
[00:49] <Sachiru> What kind of Ralink card do you have?
[00:49] <Sachiru> So that I know what drivers to ask you to install
[00:49] <valleydaddy78> whats that command again
[00:50] <AndroUser> Doesn't work
[00:50] <Sachiru> No command
[00:50] <Sachiru> Consult the manual
[00:50] <stewart> Does anyone know how to obtain raid5  stats from ubuntu 12.04 and 10.04 LTS?
[00:51] <Sachiru> Or get the exact model number so that you can google it
[00:51] <valleydaddy78> 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 05)
[00:51] <valleydaddy78> 06:00.0 Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTS5209 PCI Express Card Reader (rev 01)
[00:52] <valleydaddy78> rts5209?
[00:53] <OerHeks> that paste shows no wireless device
[00:53] <valleydaddy78> lol
[00:53] <valleydaddy78> it was a windows machine that worked fully wifi and all so its there
[00:54] <Sachiru> As I said
[00:54] <Sachiru> Consult manual/box
[00:55] <Sachiru> to get the exact model number
[00:55] <Sachiru> That's the only way, so you need to go box hunting
[00:55] <stewart> does the following super user command from the terminal reveal the card lshw -C network
[00:55] <Sachiru> No
[00:55] <valleydaddy78> can i do that through terminal
[00:55] <Sachiru> I already had him do that earlier
[00:56] <stewart> Arrg...hmmm
[00:56] <Sachiru> When nothing came up I initially suspected defective hardware, but according to him he's 100% sure that it's not a hardware problem.
[00:57] <pr-nizar> Hi guys could anyone help me install Ubuntu Core to a usb drive? :-)
[00:57] <stewart> The only other thing I can think of....are we dealing with PCI etc bus card or usb card
[00:58] <Sachiru> @pr-nizar
[00:58] <Sachiru> It literally is just following the ubuntu core installation guide
[00:58] <Sachiru> And just changing the destination drive to USB
[00:59] <Sachiru> If you already know of ubuntu core and know how to install it to a regular drive I have no idea why you can't install it to usb
[01:00] <pr-nizar> @Sachiru I've opened a private room with you.. you want to discuss it here?
[01:00] <pr-nizar> the wiki is not updated
[01:00] <stewart> lshw -class network show any more info
[01:01] <pr-nizar> I'm trying to install Ubuntu Core 14.04 amd64 to a usb drive (/dev/sdb MBR table 1partition /dev/sdb1). I've done: umount /dev/sdb1 && mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdb1 && mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt && cd /mnt && wget http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/releases/14.04/release/ubuntu-core-14.04-core-amd64.tar.gz -O - | tar -xz
[01:02] <pr-nizar> cp /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/etc/resolv.conf # needed for internet connexion
[01:02] <stewart> pr-nizar why not boot disc or virtual machine from iso then install usb
[01:02] <Sachiru> ^^ Agreed
[01:02] <Sachiru> If you're installing to USB boot from CD or VM, passthrough USB drive, install there
[01:02] <pr-nizar> Actually I'm testing it then thinking to port to ARM.. :-)
[01:02] <Sachiru> So?
[01:03] <stewart> LOL
[01:03] <Sachiru> How is that not a reason for you to install from CD?
[01:03] <pr-nizar> Well.. I can think of it but why not just doing things like this?! lol
[01:03] <Sachiru> Why not?
[01:03] <Sachiru> Ease of life
[01:04] <Sachiru> I can brush my teeth with a toothbrush and I can brush my teeth with steel wool
[01:04] <pr-nizar> I see.. Well Linux is not about the ease of life!
[01:04] <stewart> Just to weight in my thoughts .....booting from iso or cdrom is way easier
[01:04] <Sachiru> Your question is the equivalent of "why not brush your teeth with steel wool? You can do it that way!"
[01:04] <pr-nizar> I could get a windows or a mac.. lol
[01:04] <stewart> Plus even when booting from PXE you need a pre-configured machinge
[01:04] <Sachiru> Also the idea that linux is not about ease of life is bullcrpa
[01:04] <Sachiru> *bullcrap
[01:05] <bluudy_> hello
[01:05] <stewart> Whats up Bluudy
[01:05] <Sachiru> There's a difference between "being different" and "being stupid"
[01:05] <pr-nizar> alright.. so you're telling me to let go..
[01:05] <pr-nizar> ?!
[01:05] <Sachiru> Your question is bordering on the second
[01:05] <Sachiru> I'm telling you
[01:05] <Sachiru> To boot up a CD
[01:05] <Sachiru> And install from there
[01:06] <Sachiru> Instead of using your convoluted and unnecessary procedure
[01:06] <Sachiru> If this is for testing purposes a CD is more than enough and less hassle
[01:06] <bluudy_> guys i need help with something
[01:06] <Sachiru> Why does everyone going here always need help
[01:06] <Sachiru> Can't they just go here to hang out or something?
[01:06]  * Sachiru sighs.
[01:07] <stewart> No doubt, well lets hear the question bluudy
[01:07] <greenman>
[01:07] <greenman> Hello
[01:07] <greenman> Wow, lots of people in here.
[01:07] <shunya_chakra> hi i have got, 2.66 ghz core i5, ram 4gb, 1 gb graphic card... still feels ubuntu is running slow... pls anyone suggest me something so i can improve the performance
[01:07] <wheresmypaaants> I'm baaack
[01:07] <greenman> I'm having trouble getting ubuntu running.  My googlefu seems to be failing me...
[01:08] <Sachiru> @shunya: SSD
[01:08] <wheresmypaaants> greenman: That's out of my expertise
[01:08] <greenman> When I get the grub prompt, I am greeted with a blank screen
[01:08] <Sachiru> Also ZRAM and tweak the kernel
[01:08] <wheresmypaaants> greenman: Although, if its blank, if you can manage to find a way, reinstall grub
[01:08] <Sachiru> @Greenman could you be a bit more specific?
[01:08] <greenman> I tried adding the nomodeset option to the boot line, but that didn't work
[01:08] <wheresmypaaants> You may do so by using a live CD
[01:08] <bluudy_> when installing ubuntu and encrypt my home folder, the system does not mount SWAP
[01:08] <bluudy_> how could I fix it?
[01:09] <Sachiru> @Bluudy: by "encrypt my home folder" you mean you encrypted /home, or / ?
[01:09] <greenman> Sachiru: When I choose Boot Linux, the screen goes black and nothing happens.
[01:09] <Sachiru> Sometimes people say "encrypt my home folder" when they mean "encrypt /"
[01:09] <FrMcKinsy> Does ubuntu have an rc.shutdown script?
[01:09] <greenman> At least nothing I can see.
[01:10] <OerHeks> man shutdown
[01:10] <stewart> greenman can you boot from a live cd and mount it
[01:10] <mexi_d3_> I just realised what pr-nizar was trying to do.
[01:11] <bluudy_> this is the error "The disk drive for / is not ready yet dev/mapper/cryptswap1 or not present" Now as I do?
[01:11] <greenman> stewart, I guess so.  I just installed the server edition.  I would have to download the livecd and create a new usb drive
[01:11] <greenman> stewart: is that my only option?
[01:11] <bluudy_> not
[01:11] <bluudy_> desktop version
[01:12] <greenman> by the way, if I choose the recovery option at startup, it starts and then stops at ehci-pci 0000:00:04.1 irq22, io mem 0xd3489200
[01:12] <mexi_d3_> Now I think I've worked out how to do it, and he's gone.
[01:12] <trndr> shunya_chakra, 14.04? What video card and drivers?
[01:13] <stewart> greenam this would be last option boot from live cd and exercise the following command sudo mount -t ecryptfs /media/c82ca9fe-2b15-4aca-a98d-6482b1d80a32/home/[USERNAME]/ /home/[USERNAME]/oldhome
[01:13] <stewart> Atleast that I can think of
[01:14] <greenman> stewart: encrypt the drive?  confused
[01:15] <stewart> If memory serves myself correctly that should ask for passphrase only once and mount the drive or image
[01:15] <mexi_d3_> bluudy_, Can you examine the output from a partitioning tool to determine if swap was created?
[01:16] <bluudy_> forum someone said that the problem only occurs when folders are encrypted, they believe that if I reinstall ubuntu unencrypted personal folder does not have this problem with SWAP?
[01:16] <FrMcKinsy> Any clue?
[01:16]  * Consuela hugs.
[01:16] <greenman> I guess I could just install it again...  would be faster than downloading a whole new operating system...
[01:17] <stewart> From personal opinion greenman i will suggest the following even if your using mac // windows // mac
[01:18] <stewart> encrypt or create a 5 gig image for example that is encrypted then add your files that way you host OS will never have issues due to encryption
[01:18] <greenman> I don't use encryption at all
[01:20] <mexi_d3_> stewart, greenman  If you do that (unencrpyed OS, encrpypted data), temporary files and such like created by the OS won't be encrypted and can leak your data
[01:21] <bluudy_> but I have a problem with the encryption, occurred after the last upgrade I've even had problems with buffer
[01:21] <greenman> well crap
[01:21] <greenman> seems I can boot from usb now
[01:21] <greenman> :(
[01:21] <ominomi> Hello. You guys know when you can hold down the super key in Unity and press a number to launch/unminimize the corresponding application; I can only select the first 10 applications at the top of the launcher. Is there a way to select any applications below those top 10?
[01:22] <ominomi> Using numbers, that is
[01:22] <bluudy_> but I have a problem with the encryption occurs after the last upgrade I've even had problems with buffer.then the computer crashes
[01:23] <bluudy_> OMG XD
[01:24] <stewart> Are you hitting swap Bluudy what does htop reveal from terminal
[01:26] <mexi_d3_> bluudy_,  You can swap to a disk file, instead of a partition, if that helps you (if it won't mount the partition)
[01:26] <Gareth_> Hello all. Sorry, but why is it that when running the Software updater and everything seem up-to-date, I still find new updates through apt-get (update + upgrade, etc.)? Thx
[01:26] <stewart> I think thats bluudy issue is pure overhead
[01:27] <EdwardSnowden69> How do I become more private and anonymous on ubuntu?
[01:27] <greenman> Back to the google, I guess
[01:27] <stewart> Who has the boot with a name and question like that
[01:28] <meowkitty666> EdwardSnowden69: I can't help you out with setting it up, but I know you can get Tor to be anonymous online.
[01:29] <Beldar> EdwardSnowden69, That has the sound of a poll, can you phrase an specific support need.
[01:29] <stewart> Did you forget about Tails OS Mr Snowden
[01:29] <Beldar> that is way to general
[01:29] <FrMcKinsy> EdwardSnowden69: query me
[01:31] <FrMcKinsy> Does ubuntu have an rc.shutdown script?
[01:31] <stewart> just shutdown command with options
[01:32] <greenman> Aparently once you've installed ubuntu, you can no longer boot from USB :(
[01:32] <bluudy_> surely refers to as surfing anonymously, I just know tor, freenet, i2p, that peer to peer search engine called YACY and surely the vpn.
[01:32] <greenman> which makes it hard to troubleshoot...
[01:32] <stewart> thats bios option bud
[01:33] <stewart> hit f12, f10, esc, f1, f2 while booting to enter the bios, it should state one of the following commands
[01:33] <Beldar> greenman, That is not true.
[01:33] <aaa801> so, trying to install server x86 on a quad core xeon (old type), whenever i choose install ubuntu from the menu it seems to hang, any ideas?
[01:33] <stewart> try and download the alternative cd or pae version
[01:33] <bluudy_> good bye :)
[01:34] <greenman> Beldar: it seems to be that way on my system.  :)
[01:34] <aaa801> stewart: network boot cd hangs too
[01:34] <stewart> on a few older servers and t42 laptops I had ubuntu hang without downloading pae version due to processor spec
[01:34] <Beldar> greenman, apparently your having a problem, try the per-session menu, the bios splash should tell you the key or keys. I have never had that happen it makes no sense.
[01:35] <aaa801> where can i find the pae version#?
[01:35] <aaa801> aparantly its now standard on 32bit ubuntu
[01:35] <aaa801> so ='/
[01:35] <stewart> Its only present I believe in the alternative cd iso
[01:35] <aaa801> The generic default kernel already has PAE enabled.
[01:35] <Gareth_> Hello all. Sorry, but why is it that when running the Software updater and everything seem up-to-date, I still find new updates through apt-get (update + upgrade, etc.)? Thx
[01:36] <Beldar> aaa801, pae version# the kernel #? what is the end goal?
[01:36] <aaa801> Beldar: to get a os loaded onto this evil server
[01:36] <Mathias> Gareth_: tried running an apt-get update before opening software updater?
[01:36] <stewart> Beldar I believe after 12.04 the pae versions are only available on alternative cds
[01:36] <aaa801> basicaly, i was gifted a quad core xeon 32bit
[01:36] <Beldar> aaa801, I asked two questions.
[01:37] <aaa801> whatevers in the 14.04 server image
[01:37] <greenman> Okay.  I think I can get it to boot from USB
[01:37] <greenman> I have to hit c at grub, then type exit
[01:37] <greenman> And I get the USB menu
[01:37] <Gareth_> Thx Mathias. Shouldn't the Software Updater do this too (part of the automated upate-process)?
[01:37] <greenman> So now I'll download the livecd and see if I can't fix this installation...
[01:37] <greenman> Somehow...
[01:38] <stewart> Just re-install unencrypted prove it works then try encrypted to live on the edge
[01:38] <greenman> stewart: if you're talking to me, I did not install encrypted.
[01:38] <Mathias> Gareth_: i've found that it only runs an update every n days (depends on hopw you have configured it), and relies on that when you open it. so it doesn't do any unecessary updates
[01:38] <greenman> So I doubt that that is my problem.
[01:39] <Mathias> Gareth_: that's my findings though
[01:39] <Beldar> aaa801> whatevers in the 14.04 server image Was this for me?
[01:39] <aaa801> yes
[01:40] <Beldar> aaa801, Then use my nick and I asked, maybe it was not clear, this a kernel # or the pae used #?
[01:40] <FrMcKinsy> No rc.shutdown?
[01:40] <aaa801> im not sure what your asking Beldar
[01:40] <Beldar> aaa801, pae# makes no sense is all.
[01:41] <Gareth_> Mathias: I see. But, still no problem in using apt-get only, right? It still just relies on "Stable" releases, right?
[01:41] <aaa801> your the one who put pae#
[01:42] <Beldar> aaa801, I think you want the kernel used, The same kernel can be a pae or not depends how compiled.
 where can i find the pae version#?
[01:42] <Beldar> Really?
[01:42] <aaa801> ye pae is enabled by default on 32bit i read after
[01:42] <Mathias> Gareth_: software updater is just another front-end for apt-get
[01:42] <aaa801> if you read what i put after
[01:42] <trndr> aaa801, for x86 you need the 32bit version, http://releases.ubuntu.com/14.04/ubuntu-14.04-server-i386.iso
[01:43] <aaa801> trndr: i grabbed that, it just hangs when i press enter on install
[01:43] <odsent> so it's not true that it's illegal for 18 year old seniors to fap on an underclassman's naked ass and back [20:35] <odsent> this is so damn triggering [20:35] <odsent> http://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/w8zrn/i_fapped_onto_a_naked_girls_ass_and_back_does_it/ [20:35] <odsent> and i can't stop thinking about the girls are monkeys thing [20:35] <odsent> it makes me think of a monkey laying down on a bed while a guy faps on her red as
[01:43] <aaa801> same with network
[01:43]  * aaa801 stares at odsent
[01:43] <Gareth_> Ok, thx for your time and effort Mathias.
[01:43] <Beldar> aaa801, Heh, your obviously un-helpable argueing like this is counter productive, put your ego in the sheath, and I will have to let someone help you.
[01:44] <allen> hey guys
[01:44] <aaa801> what the frek are you on about Beldar
[01:44] <greenman> If the livecd doesn't work, I guess I'll be installing refind.
[01:44] <greenman> I don't want to since Ubuntu is my only system on this box, but if I have to
[01:44] <allen> can someone give me an idea how i might fix my unity desktop, i did the updates it asked for, it said i had to restart the computer, so i did, unity freezes after entering my password now
[01:45] <greenman> allen: Press alt-f2 and login via command line
[01:45] <greenman> then go look at the logs and see if you find any errors
[01:45] <Beldar> allen, Are you using a proprietary graphic driver, if so from where?
[01:46] <allen> beldar no not yet, though i was thinking of installing it lol
[01:46] <Sachiru> Uh
[01:46] <Sachiru> Query
[01:46] <Sachiru> Assume I am an ass.
[01:46] <asdfasdf> Anyone know how long it normally takes for an Ubuntu app to be reviewed and approved?
[01:47] <Beldar> allen, We just had a kernel upgrade, a proprietary would fail as it does not follow a kernel upgrade, try the previous kernel to see if it still works.
[01:47] <Sachiru> User "newuser" disconnects from this channel for some reason (probably spotty wifi). What's to prevent me from changing my nick to "newuser" and doing something worth banning?
[01:47] <asdfasdf> No one on ubuntu-app-devel is responding
[01:47] <Sachiru> To prevent him from logging on here?
 Anyone know how long it normally takes for an Ubuntu app to be reviewed and approved? No specific time.
[01:47] <allen> Beldar how do i try the previous kernel
[01:47] <allen> but i'm not running proprietary driver anyway
[01:47] <Guest75927> Hey i have a problem, when i use 2 screens with my gt440 on ubuntu 14.something it takes a few minutes to show the sidebar, though the background pops up right away
[01:48] <Beldar> allen, At the grub menu, if you are not seeing it, tap shift or hold it down after powering on.
[01:48] <allen> yeah it says i'm using Nouveau display driver
[01:49] <Guest75927> with a single display it takes no time at all
[01:49] <Guest75927> is it just old hardware?
[01:49] <Beldar> allen, Did you add a PPA, does xswat sound familiar?
[01:50] <Beldar> allen, Or xorg
[01:50] <allen> it doesn't sound familiar, but where can i check it
[01:51] <Beldar> allen, /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[01:51] <Beldar> or /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:52] <greenman> I guess I'm trying refind
[01:55] <greenman> grr all the guides assume you're starting from OSX  I'm starting from a broken ubuntu install (I think.  I can't tell if it's broken)
[01:57] <Kyan1> hi
[01:57] <Kyan1> i-m now from a live, is there a way to attach my terminal to the harddisk shell?
[01:58] <Kyan1> to log in as harddrive user?
[01:58] <Beldar> Kyan1, chroot
[01:58] <Kyan1> ?
[01:58] <Beldar> !chroot
[01:58] <FrMcKinsy> Hi Mathias
[01:58] <Beldar> Kyan1, careful expecting hand holding here. ;)
[01:59] <Beldar> that info is all over the web
[01:59] <Kyan1> so i do:
[01:59] <Kyan1> chroot /media/mydir?
[02:00] <Beldar> no read the link
[02:00] <Kyan1> i dont need it
[02:00] <Kyan1> i need somethin to attach to the real shell on the hd
[02:00] <FrMcKinsy> Kyan1: always take care under any expectations
[02:00] <stewart> Any SCSI or Raid 5 guys around....have a software raid5 with no issues but its reporting degraded, when performing hardware diag all drives come back good
[02:01] <Beldar> Kyan1, You want to change the HD in some way within the OS?
[02:02] <Beldar> Kyan1, A more clear description would help.
[02:04] <Mathias> FrMcKinsy: i do know you?
[02:05] <falafel> is there a better IRC client for Ubuntu than Smuxi, what do you guys use?
[02:05] <Beldar> falafel, that is a poll, and best is subjective.
[02:05] <falafel> s/better/alternative
[02:05] <Mathias> might be more suitable for offtopic
[02:07] <falafel> the problem I have with Smuxi is the notifications don't seem to work, is this ontopci?
[02:07] <falafel> *on topic
[02:07] <Mathias> falafel: probably
[02:08] <FrMcKinsy> May i in offtopic?
[02:08] <falafel> I went to Preferences->Notification and enabled "Show always" but it won't. That's why I'm asking for alternatives, any alternatives where desktop notifications work?
[02:09] <xangua> !ot | FrMcKinsy
[02:09] <gr33n7007h> falafel, xchat
[02:09] <falafel> xchat integrates with libonotify?
[02:09] <gr33n7007h> falafel, yep
[02:09] <falafel> ok, I will try that one
[02:10] <Mathias> FrMcKinsy: when you haven't spoken in a while, and you're asking someone specific, it's usually a good idea to hilight that person
[02:10] <Kyan1> im running a live distro, i need to login on /dev/sda1 shell, /dev/sda1 is already mounted, how can i access to that terminal?
[02:10] <impossible>  hey guys can i simply stick an ubuntu cd into my current windows laptop and boot the disc to install alongside windows 8?
[02:11] <jnoob22> Kyan1, what do you mean by "that terminal" ?
[02:11] <Kyan1> /dev/sda1 is an installed UBUNTU
[02:11] <jnoob22> impossible, should be able to. i dont see why not.
[02:11] <Ranieri_> I don't understand mounting filesystems and such
[02:11] <impossible> great just wanted to kknow lol jnhghy
[02:11] <impossible> jnoob22::
[02:11] <jnoob22> Kyan1, you won't be able to "login" to /dev/sda1 from the lice cd
[02:11] <impossible> i think i can too just wanted a quick confirmation
[02:11] <Ranieri_> Any good documentation on that sort of help
[02:12] <FrMcKinsy> Mathias: noted
[02:12] <jnoob22> impossible, if it's the right platform and you have cd boot, why wouldn't you?
[02:12] <jnoob22> :)
[02:12] <impossible> :)
[02:12] <Beldar> Ranieri_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount
[02:12] <Ranieri_> Thank you Beldar
[02:13] <craigbass1976> what happened to /etc/init.d/network-manager ?  This is how I used to restart the network when my laptop kept trying to get on my home wifi even though I was in a coffee shop somewhere.
[02:13] <jnoob22> mount -t <file system type> //servername/mountname  /path/to/my/mount
[02:13] <jnoob22> done
[02:13] <jnoob22> craigbass1976, look under /etc/init.d
[02:13] <jnoob22> craigbass1976, called something else now
[02:13] <Beldar> Ranieri_, WE do ask though that you try looking, not just come here I used ubuntu mounting filesystems on google all your words without ubuntu and it was at the top of the list
[02:14] <jnoob22> craigbass1976, "networking" I think
[02:14] <craigbass1976> jnoob22: All I saw was networking, and that's what used to be there.  Doesn't do it.
[02:14] <jnoob22> Ranieri_, "mount" should work on any *NIX though :)
[02:15] <jnoob22> craigbass1976, ok sorry... let me dig a bit
[02:15] <jnoob22> craigbass1976, which version of Ubuntu  you on now, mate?
[02:16] <dw1> craigbass1976: service network-manager restart
[02:16] <craigbass1976> dw1: where is the list of services?
[02:17] <dw1> craigbass1976: just run in terminal :P
[02:17] <jnoob22> eh he's not finding that dw1
[02:17] <craigbass1976> I know, but where's the list?
[02:17] <jnoob22> craigbass1976, here's how to list...
[02:17] <jnoob22>  service --status-all
[02:17] <dw1> craigbass1976: service --status-all maybe
[02:17] <craigbass1976> Ahhh...
[02:17]  * craigbass1976 facepalm
[02:18] <jnoob22> heh it wasn't obvious mate ;)
[02:18] <craigbass1976> jnoob22: used to be that service was anything in the /etc/init.d -- you could run it either way, but that was back when I was on Fedora 4.  Ubuntu wasn't doing services at all yet I don't think
[02:19] <jnoob22> Ubuntu's a bit different than any RH variety
[02:19] <jnoob22> including services
[02:19] <dw1> craigbass1976: also initctl list
[02:19] <dw1> craigbass1976: thats where network-manager is, apparently
[02:20] <jnoob22> im on 13.10 and I do have network-manager as dw1 says
[02:20] <jnoob22> service network-manager start
[02:20] <jnoob22> start: Job is already running: network-manager
[02:20] <jnoob22> initctl list | grep -i net
[02:21] <craigbass1976> Thanks folks.
[02:21] <jnoob22> yw mate
[02:24] <The_Ben24> I'm trying to capture a video stream using Cheese and a USB webcam. I've tried two different webcams, but Cheese complains about both, saying "There was an error playing video from the webcam". Does anyone know how to make these work?
[02:25] <holstein> The_Ben24: i would use cheese to test my webcam, and something like vlc to capture a stream
[02:27] <The_Ben24> holstein, I didn't realize VLC did that. Thanks!
[02:28] <gr33n7007h> The_Ben24, "vlc v4l2://" to test webcam
[02:28] <jnoob22> btw, how is vlc working these days? last I tried to use it, i had some very mixed results -- though this was about 3-4 years ago.
[02:30] <allen> Beldar you still here bud ?
[02:32] <mexi_d3_> jnoob22, Does everything, plays everything, usually doesn't crash.
[02:32] <jnoob22> mexi_d3_, that's very cool to know -- was wanting to use it record fixes so I can send them to customers
[02:32] <Beldar> allen, yes.
[02:32] <jnoob22> rather than using proprietary stuff on the mac.
[02:33] <mexi_d3_> jnoob22, vlc media player?
[02:33] <allen> Beldar, i still can't get into unity, i tried the older kernel too
[02:33] <jnoob22> mexi_d3_, yes
[02:33] <mexi_d3_> jnoob22, what's a 'fix'?
[02:33] <allen> should i do a reinstall of the ubuntu desktop ?
[02:34] <jnoob22> mexi_d3_, i work for a software company... I occasionally find fixes for customer's issues... rather than writing them out, it's better to show  :)
[02:34] <mexi_d3_> jnoob22, Oh you mean screen cap how to do something on the computer? OK.
[02:34] <jnoob22> a picture is worth a 1000 words as they say... though I have to admit, I prefer text
[02:34] <jnoob22> mexi_d3_, yes sir :)
[02:34] <holstein> allen: can you "get into unity" as the guest user?
[02:35] <allen> holstein i didn't try that
[02:35] <jnoob22> that way if they say they don't understand what the heck I wrote, i can say "watch" the manual.
[02:35] <Beldar> allen, Ah, bummer, graphics issues if that is what is happening I'm not the best help, all my setups have been intel, so always have worked. However you use the word freeze at the desktop, are you sure, have you tried a tty?
[02:35] <holstein> allen: i usually try removing my user config from the equation before messing with installed applications
[02:35] <Moseco> I got a question about ubuntu 14.04 install. Does it install grub by default or is that something that i need to add on my own later?
[02:35] <jnoob22> grub
[02:35] <mexi_d3_> Moseco, grub2 by default
[02:35] <allen> holstein, gimme a min i'll log out and try it
[02:36] <allen> Beldar, whats tty
[02:36] <jnoob22> it will give you the option to dual boot if it finds something else on your drive(s)
[02:36] <mexi_d3_> Moseco, This assumes you are using the desktop CD
[02:36] <Moseco> mexi_d3_: I dont want it to install, is there a way I can stop it?
[02:36] <Beldar> !tty | allen
[02:36] <jnoob22> allen, another terminal
[02:36] <mexi_d3_> Moseco, Use the alternate installer. You can choose what it does.
[02:36] <Moseco> mexi_d3_: alternate installer?
[02:36] <mexi_d3_> Moseco, However the regular installer might have an option to skip boot loader install. I haven't looked for it.
[02:37] <allen> brb
[02:37] <Moseco> mexi_d3_: Okay, thanks
[02:38] <Beldar> allen, So I'm trying to discover is this a freeze, meaning no tty just frozen, or just a black screen.
[02:39] <Beldar> Moseco, If you use a manual install and point grub to the ubuntu install partition it will not go to the mbr.
[02:40] <Moseco> Beldar: Thanks!
[02:41] <Bjizzle> It seems I've shrunk my partition to 64 GB, created another partition that's 64 GB, installed windows on it. I booted to ubuntu after I installed windows. Now I can't seem to pull up ubuntu.
[02:41] <Beldar> no prob Moseco
[02:41] <holstein> !grub
[02:41] <Bjizzle> Let me see what gparted says
[02:41] <Bjizzle> I know what grub is. I'm unable to access it.
[02:41] <holstein> Bjizzle: ^ specifically recovering grub after installing windows.. if you havnt
[02:41] <holstein> havnet*
[02:42] <Beldar> Bjizzle, " I booted to ubuntu after I installed windows. Now I can't seem to pull up ubuntu." Does this make sense to you
[02:42] <holstein> Bjizzle: no.. if you installed windows and didnt reinstall grub, its gone..
[02:42] <allen> ok back again, still stuck in Mate, i tried guest holstein, it made no difference
[02:42] <Bjizzle> Oh my apologies holstein
[02:43] <holstein> allen: so, no user seems to login to unity? what about tty?
[02:43] <allen> i can log in at the prompt, but unity won't run
[02:43] <allen> hangs at loading opengl from what i can tell
[02:43] <holstein> allen: what did you do?
[02:44] <holstein> allen: do you see a login screen? a graphical login screen? where are you seeing errors about opengl?
[02:44] <allen> holstein, the update manager wanted to do an update today, i let it, then unity didn't work
[02:45] <holstein> allen: open a terminal and run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[02:45] <holstein> allen: in tty ^
[02:45] <Beldar> allen, Was there any warning of a partial update with the update gui?
[02:45] <allen> Beldar, i didn't notice one, but that doesn't mean it wasn't there
[02:46] <Beldar> allen, ouu get a warning pop up you would probably remember.
[02:46] <Beldar> You*
[02:46] <gr33n7007h> allen, try issuing "sudo /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults -s ubuntu-2d" in tty then reboot
[02:47] <Bjizzle> Dang, my Ubuntu usb is freezing the entire computer.
[02:47] <Ranieri_> How do I install g++, and then set eclipse to use it?
[02:48] <Beldar> Bjizzle, Black screen on choosing from options gui?
[02:48] <Beldar> If booted
[02:48] <Bjizzle_> No, the whole comp freezes after a minute or so
[02:49] <Beldar> Bjizzle, This a booted usb?
[02:49] <Bjizzle_> Yes
[02:49] <Bjizzle_> I'm trying to use a Ubuntu install usb to use gparted and recover grub
[02:50] <linuxuz3r> how do i minimize the fonts in unity
[02:50] <Beldar> Bjizzle, This the original install usb?
[02:50] <Beldar> Bjizzle_, gparted wont recover grub
[02:51] <Bjizzle_> I know. Those were two separate tasks.
[02:51] <Beldar> cool
[02:52] <linuxuz3r> does anyone know how to minimize my fonts in ubuntu
[02:52] <linuxuz3r> under unity
[02:53] <Beldar> linuxuz3r, WE ask 10 min breaks between posts, crack a cold one we see you. ;)
[02:55] <chris__> Anyone got any experience troubleshooting why rutorrent is giving me a 404.  /var/log/error.log doesn't show any errors, but /var/log/access.log does show the 404 errors when I attempt to access the site.  Other than that, I can't find a single error....
[02:56] <syeekick> in the terminal to increase font size is ctrl++ what the deuce does that mean
[02:56] <syeekick> thank you please
[02:57] <linuxuz3r> i got to install gnome-tweak tool
[02:58] <holstein> chris__: to "access the site"? what site? http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/
[02:59] <Ben64> syeekick: control plus +
[02:59] <syeekick> sorr?
[02:59] <syeekick> it doesn't do anything
[02:59] <bryguy_> Using 14.04 after updates today glx extensions are missing on nvidia 331.38 drivers. Nvidia settings menu still works incl twinview but no 3d. Anyone else see this/know how to fix it?
[02:59] <chris__> holstein, my local rutorrent install
[02:59] <syeekick> it's a stupid question i know, but it really does nothing
[03:00] <Ben64> syeekick: works here, maybe it doesn't work on whichever terminal you're using
[03:00] <holstein> chris__: is accessing what site?
[03:00] <syeekick> so i hold down ctrl and tap +
[03:00] <chris__> holstein, Nothing external to my network.  It is a local site
[03:01] <meowkitty666> is there a different channel for Ubuntu Server or is ALL Ubuntu questions asked in here?
[03:01] <holstein> chris__: is it up? can you ping it? is there a firewall issue?
[03:01] <Ben64> meowkitty666: there is an #ubuntu-server
[03:01] <holstein> !server | meowkitty666
[03:01] <holstein> but, you can ask here
[03:01] <meowkitty666> Ben64: Thanks !
[03:01] <syeekick> Ben64,  i done it its ctrl+shift++ next to the backspace key
[03:02] <Ben64> syeekick: yep, thats where the + key is
[03:03] <Guest50541> VLC only seems to record a few seconds, and I'm not sure why.
[03:03] <syeekick> i was thinking numpad, :) i had a few freinds who were confused too
[03:04] <holstein> Guest50541: try relaxing whatever your settings are.. try a simpler target file
[03:04] <Guest50541> holstein, What do you mean by a simpler target file?
[03:05] <holstein> Guest50541: what are you making?
[03:06] <Guest50541> holstein, A test video. I record for thirty seconds, then try to play it back and have only a few seconds of footage.
[03:06] <holstein> Guest50541: what is the test video?
[03:06] <holstein> Guest50541: what kind of target file?
[03:06] <Guest50541> holstein, A .webm file with no custom settings.
[03:07] <holstein> Guest50541: ok.. try a simpler one
[03:07] <Guest50541> holstein, I don't understand. Simpler how?
[03:08] <holstein> Guest50541: Guest50541 not webm.. basically, try a different type, if you havent
[03:12] <Guest50541> holstein, Okay, I tried .ogg. The video is now the correct length, but has no motion after the first two seconds.
[03:13] <allen> hey guys, i have tried all i can find in the forums, to no avail :(
[03:13] <Guest50541> allen, What is the issue?
[03:14] <allen> Guest50541, i did the update today, and now i can't log in to unity, just get the background nothing loads
[03:14] <holstein> allen: when you ran "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" in tty, were there any errors?
[03:15] <holstein> allen: what background? the background is *something*
[03:15] <allen> holstein, no errors
[03:15] <holstein> allen: i have been assuming unity is not loading
[03:15] <allen> the login goes away, but it just hangs after that
[03:15] <holstein> allen: what *exactly* is happening?
[03:15] <Beldar> allen, This 14.04?
[03:15] <allen> this is 14.04 yes
[03:15] <holstein> allen: did you do any steps to reset unity?
[03:15] <linuxuz3r> anyone here running devstack
[03:16] <holstein> allen: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/how-to-reset-compiz-and-unity-in-ubuntu.html
[03:16] <allen> holstein i tried to reinstall unity, but it said i have the newest verion
[03:16] <holstein> allen: if thats the message you got, then, you tried to install unity, and got that message. thats *not* reinstalling
[03:17] <allen> holstein, ok my mistake, i thought thats what i was doing however lol
[03:17] <holstein> allen: please try resetting with the above guide.. did you try running the 2d mode as suggested?
[03:17] <allen> i'm pretty new to this, just in my second week of running it, and its been super smooth until this.
[03:17] <Beldar> +1 trying reset
[03:17] <holstein> allen: it would be best if you didnt go copy pasting commands in from the internet as well
[03:17] <holstein> allen: things happen. you should *always* have backupes, just as you should with any operating system
[03:18] <allen> oh i have backups, thats not a worry, i just don't want to reload if i can avoid it.
[03:18] <allen> and its frustrating because Mate is working, just not my unity
[03:18] <holstein> allen: mate requires a ppa
[03:19] <abaddon> hey guys, how do you create users with default options and config files?
[03:19] <holstein> allen: thats can break your system
[03:19] <Beldar> !info mate-desktop
[03:19] <holstein> allen: if you are "new to all this" and want flawless ubuntu performance, dont add ppa's
[03:19] <Beldar> in trusty no ppa
[03:19] <holstein> allen: did you add a ppa? or are you using the one from the repos?
[03:20] <allen> holstein, ppa
[03:20] <holstein> allen: the, consider purging.. that can break your system.. or just use mate if thats what you added the ppa for
[03:21] <Beldar> holstein, I believe mate is in trusty
[03:21] <abaddon> For instance, when I create a user I want it to have the Desktop dir already set up and I want the config folder to have some pre-set settings to be added too
[03:22] <Viking667> Uhm, I've just tried to log into gnome-shell, all I get is a mousepointer and a black screen. Where do I go from here?
[03:22] <holstein> Beldar: i agree.. but, i assumed, and allen reported adding a PPA
[03:22] <Viking667> i.e. how could I "reset" my gnome-shell session back to defaults?
[03:22] <Beldar> holstein, It happens, mate was added to quell the gnome 2 people.
[03:24] <butter_worm> something about copying the user directory to another location
[03:25] <Viking667> ugh. My user directory is over 100Gb.
[03:26] <butter_worm> cap user dir to 32mb
[03:26] <wilee-nilee> Viking667, You have proprietary graphics?
[03:26] <Viking667> nope.
[03:27] <Viking667> This only just started happening today...
[03:27] <Viking667> I had about a week of working gnome-shell (32-bit 14.04)
[03:27] <holstein> Viking667: not your peronsal files..those wont reset gnome. just theconfig files reset gnome
[03:27] <Viking667> and now it doesn't.
[03:28] <Viking667> so, .cache/, .config/ and ... what else? does the system still use .gnome?
[03:28] <wilee-nilee> Viking667, I had a kernel upgrade in 14.04, have you checked the previous kernel, if you had this update?
[03:28] <holstein> Viking667: if "it" just randmoly happened today, id try testing the system.. the hard drive, and memory
[03:28] <Viking667> was running when I upgraded the kernel.
[03:28] <Viking667> just give me a minute, I'm logging in using Unity (the only thing that seems to work at the moment)
[03:29] <wilee-nilee> Viking667, That means nothing a kernel upgrade does not affect the running OS till you reboot.
[03:29] <Viking667> I rebooted after installing the kernel. Come on, I'm not a total n00b
[03:29] <wilee-nilee> Viking667, Use nicks here, you are not new.
[03:29] <holstein> it literally wont hurt to try booting the older kernel, if you havent
[03:33] <ausjke> again upgrade from 39 to 41 broke win7 inside virtualbox, tried various vbox versions, built all modules, tried reinstall win7, no luck. had to find a win xp and that works.
[03:34] <ausjke> ubuntu 12.04 LTS 64b that is
[03:34] <wilee-nilee> ausjke, 39 to 41 what
[03:34] <ausjke> kernel
[03:35] <ausjke> 3.8.0-41-generic
[03:35] <holstein> ausjke: so, you boot the 39 kernel and all is well?
[03:35] <wilee-nilee> ausjke, That does not make must sense.
[03:35] <wilee-nilee> much
[03:36] <holstein> not sure what modules you are building.. you mean, you are using virtualbox from the site? and not the repos?
[03:36] <ausjke> i used the default 4.1.2
[03:36] <ausjke> then tried the newest 4.3 release
[03:36] <ausjke> build guest-addition modules and install them
[03:36] <ausjke> no help
[03:36] <holstein> ausjke: so, when you tru kernel <IP_ADDRESS>, all is well?
[03:36] <Viking667> sorry, just came back... use nick ... to who?
[03:36] <wilee-nilee> !who | Viking667
[03:37] <ausjke> holstein: was running well last night with .39
[03:37] <wilee-nilee> every post to another
[03:37] <ausjke> but no more this morning after the .41 upgrade, not even with .39
[03:37] <Viking667> whoops, sorry. Got several things on my mind. My apologies.
[03:37] <holstein> ausjke: sure.. and, if the issue was the kernel upgrade, booting the older kernel would "fix" it
[03:37] <ausjke> meanwhile win7 had a upgrade at the same time
[03:37] <Ben64> ausjke: well you'll need to use the packages from the official ubuntu repositories to get support in this channel
[03:37] <ausjke> Ben64: yeah tried hard with 4.1.x indeed
[03:38] <holstein> ausjke: i think you are assuming the kernel upgrade is the issue.. you shouldnt need to rebuild any modules using the repo version of virtualbox.. try it
[03:38] <ausjke> anyways after fighting with it for a whole day i'm back to winxp, that seems working
[03:38] <allen> holstein, that tool does not appear to have worked, how do i "reinstall" my unity since i obviously didn't do it right
[03:38] <ausjke> holstein: i tried the default vbox, it worked until this morning
[03:38] <ausjke> anyways i guess i really don't know what happened
[03:39] <holstein> ausjke: ok.. let us know if you have a support question
[03:39] <lotuspsychje> i recently install lubuntu 14.04 on a box and had to manualy add nm-applet to startup items, is this a known issue for lubuntu?
[03:39] <abaddon> hey guys, how do you create users with default options and config files?
[03:39] <abaddon> For instance, when I create a user I want it to have the Desktop dir already set up and I want the config folder to have some pre-set settings to be added too
[03:39] <ausjke> came back from a trip(3 weeks), upgraded ubuntu(96packges) and upgraded win7 inside the virtualbox, then after a reboot win7 is gone
[03:39] <ausjke> win7 complains some wierd explorer stop working thing even with a fresh install
[03:39] <holstein> abaddon: i just use adduser command.. but there are GUI tools
[03:40] <ausjke> google hints it might be a fgrlx related issue and I tried that too
[03:40] <holstein> ausjke: not sure what you mean "win7 is gone"
[03:40] <ausjke> win7 boots up, immediately said explorer stopped working
[03:40] <holstein> the guest is either there, or not.. nothing about ubuntu removes guests in virtualbox
[03:41] <ausjke> which means i can not do anything other than ctrl-alt-del
[03:41] <abaddon> holstein, sure, and that's fine. but what about having it set a default look? Say I like a particuler theme to stay accross the bord. how do i do that?
[03:41] <holstein> abaddon: thats how i do that.. i just make a user.. the defaults are applied
[03:42] <holstein> abaddon: if you want a particular different thing, you can change them afterwards.. put what you like in place
[03:42] <wilee-nilee> ausjke, As a long shot have you installed dkms, your scenario does have no legit cause and effect between the two OS is all.
[03:42] <ausjke> to make my day worse, yahoo mail is down, time to try fastmail.fm
[03:42] <ausjke> wilee-nilee: yes dkms installed
[03:42] <abaddon> holstein, right, but what if i set up xfce-panel a particuler way and the defaults stick rather than the way i trully want 'em topo?
[03:42] <wilee-nilee> cool
[03:43] <holstein> ausjke: this is the ubuntu support channel.. use the #ubuntu-offtopic channel for ot discussion
[03:43] <abaddon> i'm using a live sys and i want the settings to stick when I install the os
[03:43] <ausjke> i even rebuilt all ofthe dkms with ls /var/lib/initramfs-tools | sudo xargs -n1 /usr/lib/dkms/dkms_autoinstaller start
[03:43] <abaddon> holstein,  i'm using a live sys and i want the settings to stick when I install the os
[03:43] <holstein> abaddon: copy in what you "truly want" them to be, after you make the user
[03:43] <wilee-nilee> abaddon, Does not work that way.
[03:44] <Viking667> I'll have to come back later, when I've bounced gnome-shell's head into jelly. Unity works. Ubuntustudio works, no idea what that uses for a WM yet..
[03:44] <holstein> abaddon: you can try saving the configs.. i wouldnt.. i would install, and set things are you like..
[03:44] <holstein> Viking667: that? ubuntustudio? xfce
[03:44] <holstein> !xfce
[03:45] <Viking667> thanks
[03:45] <holstein> Viking667: did you add a PPA for gnome?
[03:45] <lotuspsychje> abaddon: maybe some relevant ideas here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/36671/how-do-i-pre-install-ubuntu-for-someone-oem-install
[03:45] <Viking667> nope, I don't think I did.
[03:45] <Viking667> I'm beginning to wish I had, apparently 14.04 is behind on gnome release
[03:46] <holstein> Viking667: its not really .. all versions are exactly as promised.. and as released
[03:46] <abaddon> holstein, well, I've set it up as I like. but if i create a new user it doesn't transfer over. I mean, ubuntu keeps it's look once installed. how do i do that
[03:47] <holstein> Viking667: ubuntu is not a "rolling release", so things dont update like that. they just get security updates, mostly, unless something gets backported
[03:47] <abaddon> lotuspsychje, thx, looks interesting and promising
[03:47] <holstein> abaddon: as i said, copy the config
[03:47] <Viking667> Gnome has apparently release 3.12 for some few months now, if I remember them saying. 14.04 got 3.10 of gnome, if I've read the release versions right.
[03:47] <holstein> abaddon: when you create a new user, put that config in place
[03:47] <holstein> !backport
[03:47] <lotuspsychje> abaddon: also look at ubuntu 'unattended' install, maybe they have a way to preinstall configs for users aswell
[03:48] <wilee-nilee> abaddon, You can make a custom iso.
[03:48] <Viking667> I've deliberately left backports alone. I'd heard they had the potential to cause issues of their own.
[03:48] <holstein> Viking667: im just letting you know, thats the idea.. 14.04 will get behind.. and stay behind intentionally, as planned, and indicated, and promised
[03:48] <wilee-nilee> are not backports only open when in development?
[03:48] <abaddon> holstein, XD I want it to copy over automatically. Doesn't ubu use a template from which it makes the user and conf files? I don't want to copy it over once setup. i want it to go over when the user puts in their creds
[03:49] <holstein> Viking667: if you want a newer version of an application in an older version of ubuntu, you do it on your own.. backporting is one of the safer ways
[03:49] <abaddon> lotuspsychje, i saw that function. But then people can't chng time-zones during install
[03:49] <The_NetZ> hey. anyone can tell me the current ruby on current ubuntu?
[03:49] <lotuspsychje> abaddon: the whole point of seperate users is because each user should be left the choice of own settings
[03:50] <holstein> abaddon: it wont copy over, just randomly, the settings you create in a live user.. the system will make the user as designed, and you can copy in what you like
[03:50] <holstein> !info ruby
[03:50] <The_NetZ> seriously? still in 1.9.x?
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> abaddon: you could aptoncd your favorite packages for each user, but not sure howto automate configs
[03:51] <holstein> The_NetZ: as i was explaing. ubuntu is not a rolling release
[03:51] <Squidle> exit
[03:52] <The_NetZ> holstein: I know, lol.
[03:52] <Viking667> holstein: I'd heard that while it may be "safe", it's only "safe" to a certain degree.
[03:52] <abaddon> lotuspsychje, I get that. but the prob is my iso once installed on a sys with a created user wont launch anything when in the acc because it didn't bring over any config files. I want a standard look that i designed to be implimented for each new user. from there they then can edit to hearts contint
[03:53] <Viking667> recentl (at least in the past four or five years) I've tried to stick to what's in the package manager rather than sew extra things in from tarballs and non-native.
[03:53] <abaddon> holstein, precisly, how do you change the system template to fit your wants?
[03:53] <holstein> Viking667: im not suggesting you use them. im only letting you know how you will get a newer version of gnome
[03:53] <Viking667> anyhow, I've found something that'll work, so gnome-shell can just go jump for this release.
[03:54] <holstein> abaddon: as explained above.. making your own live CD..
[03:54] <Viking667> and I refuse to use Unity. At least gnome-shell's dock had the decency to hide itself. Unity? as if.
[03:54] <holstein> Viking667: i dont see anyone suggesting unity to you
[03:56] <abaddon> holstein,  check, what's next?
[03:56] <nicksloan> I wrote an upstart job. I'm calling setuid deploy, but shell commands run in don't have $HOME set at all
[03:56] <holstein> abaddon: not sure what you are asking, friend. just make the live CD that you want..
[03:56] <nicksloan> is that normal?
[03:57] <Viking667> holstein: plenty of people that recommend Ubuntu might like Unity, as it's what's default. I disliked it intensely after a month of use back in 12.10, I see they've made some improvements, but not enough for me to choose it over anything else.
[03:57] <allen> holstein, is it possible to reinstall unity, and then will you help me remove the ppa's etc so i don't get in this bind again ?
[03:58] <lotuspsychje> abaddon: how about you find a package that can backup all settings for one user, then recover that backup for multiple users?
[03:58] <holstein> Viking667: no one is suggesting it.. try the #ubuntu-offtopic channel for discussion and chat
[03:58] <abaddon> holstein, Sorry, i'm doing my best to explain. XD OK. How about this. I've got my live cd setup with a generic user. lets call it user1. when I have the person install my OS the settings for user1 need to swap over as a generic template for the account the person creates.
[03:58] <holstein> allen: im about to leave
[03:59] <holstein> allen: http://askubuntu.com/questions/307/how-can-ppas-be-removed
[03:59] <allen> if i can get it fixed, i can wait until tomorrow on the ppa's etc
[03:59] <holstein> allen: you can use any package manager to reinstall what you like.. but, i dont think thats the issue
[04:00] <abaddon> holstein, it doesn't swap over though. that's the issue. and the way my os is designed it needs at least .xsession cpd over to get a few things launched since i don't use an session-mngr
[04:00] <abaddon> how can i do that
[04:00] <holstein> abaddon: you create whatever kind of system you like, friend.. the live CD will be your operating system.. when a user creates a user, it will have whatever defaults you made
[04:00] <lotuspsychje> abaddon: check this out: http://askubuntu.com/questions/25633/how-to-migrate-user-settings-and-data-to-new-machine
[04:01] <holstein> allen: it could be ppa packages that are causing your breakages
[04:01] <abaddon> holstein, that's the issue,lol. it wont keep my settings and apply it to the new user
[04:02] <holstein> abaddon: then, you are not implementing it properly..
[04:02] <abaddon> hodgie, clearly XD BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[04:02] <allen> k holstein thanks
[04:02] <abaddon> lotuspsychje, mmmmm, not exactly what i need but much like it
[04:03] <lotuspsychje> abaddon: you might wanna ask the #ubuntu-server guys for a way to automate users configs aswell
[04:04] <linuxuz3r> hi i have a ubuntu vm how do i get a vnc connection from my macbook pro
[04:05] <dan2> linuxuz3r: x11vnc or vino might help
[04:05] <abaddon> lotuspsychje, do i just type "/join #ubuntu-server" ?
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> abaddon: yes
[04:06] <Ranieri_> How would I write c++ programs on Ubuntu?
[04:07] <abaddon> lotuspsychje, holstein ok, thanks guys. sorry if i pickd the wrong chat. Yall' have been great. wish me luck!!
[04:07] <gr33n7007h> Ranieri_, how do you mean?
[04:09] <linuxuz3r> dan2, is there a x11vnc server that i need to setup on my ubuntu vm?
[04:10] <dan2> linuxuz3r: it's a package
[04:18] <Viking667> hm. Now this is interesting.
[04:18] <Viking667> xfce's wm thinks my desktop is 1920x1080, yet xrandr reports that the screen is 1360x768 (the resolution I chose).
[04:20] <Viking667> intriguingly... I have a funny idea something's broken.
[04:23]  * [gnubie] waves
[04:25] <[gnubie]> in LVM, is it possible to create a VG from a raw file?
[04:26] <gt8ost4l> anyone know of a good graphics program
[04:26] <Ben64> gimp?
[04:26] <gt8ost4l> gimp is not really for graphics
[04:27] <dw1> uhh what
[04:30] <Viking667> gt8ost4l: depends upon what you need the graphics program to do.
[04:30] <Tohsh> having some issues with a clean install of 14.04 server, freezes up when trying to add swap during boot
[04:31] <gr33n7007h> gt8ost4l, blender
[04:31] <Viking667> hehehe...
[04:31] <gt8ost4l> just normal graphics its for a website i'm gonna create soon
[04:31] <newshound> gimp is capable enough
[04:31] <Viking667> then gimp will do fine.
[04:32] <Viking667> if you're interested in vector graphics, Inkscape is worth a look too.
[04:32] <Viking667> right. I've figured something out. Ubuntu thinks that my total desktop size is 2384x768, even though I've disabled the VGA (1024x768) monitor.
[04:33] <Viking667> So, how do I "persuade" it to use just the primary monitor's size as the "desktop" size without beating it to death with a brick?
[04:37] <netsecadmin> For some reason after installing gnome three all my system fonts have changed and boot screen. I cannot get back to the default. I have restarted, restarted lightdm, tried apt-get remove/purge/autoremove "gnome-shell ubuntu-gnome-desktop", and I dont know what else to do. Any chance you guys could help me?
[04:38] <netsecadmin> 14.04 LTS by the way
[04:40] <wilee-nilee> Tohsh, Have you checked fstab has the right uuid?
[04:41] <Tohsh> wilee-nilee, I've verified the UUID's match with blkid, if I set nomodeset on the kernel it boots fine.
[04:42] <Tohsh> I just never had any issues with 13.xx.
[04:42] <wilee-nilee> Tohsh, Without  an X environment is that not enough
[04:42] <Tohsh> What do you mean?
[04:42] <wilee-nilee> Tohsh, NO desktop.
[04:42] <Tohsh> its fine, I'm just curious as to why its happening now
[04:43] <wilee-nilee> Tohsh, Not sure myself, but when asking include all that.
[04:43] <Tohsh> running 14.04 server with nothing installed currently. no desktop, just openssh-server
[04:44] <wilee-nilee> needing nomodeset to boot
[04:44] <Tohsh> correct
[04:45] <Tohsh> all my partitions were also wiped, started everything fresh. I tried manually creating my partitions as well as using the guided option and both fail on adding swap during boot without "nomodeset"
[04:45] <wilee-nilee> Tohsh, Just saying had all that been there we would never had talked. ;) More details the better.
[04:46] <wilee-nilee> Tohsh, You might ask in #ubuntu-server to
[04:46] <Tohsh> wilee-nilee, thanks
[04:47] <wilee-nilee> no prob best of luck. ;)
[04:49] <dboot> Hello, is anybody here?
[04:49] <wilee-nilee> 1700 or more
[04:50] <dboot> Lots of people... I have a couple of questions about installing Ubuntu on my computer. Is this the right place to ask?
[04:50] <wilee-nilee> dboot, Yes
[04:51] <dboot> wilee-nilee: I want to install Ubuntu on my Sony laptop. It boots using UEFI. For some reason, Sony did some magic with the booting process instead of using standard boot procedures, and Ubuntu isn't able to dual boot on the laptop
[04:52] <wilee-nilee> !uefi | dboot
[04:52] <dboot> wilee-nilee: Yep. I've been there and done that. Didn't work
[04:52] <wilee-nilee> dboot, More orientation to possibilities info. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295
[04:53] <wilee-nilee> dboot, Didn't work, means nothing
[04:53] <wilee-nilee> here anyway ;)
[04:53] <dboot> wilee-nilee: taking a look at your second link
[04:53] <Bitwise> Hi. How long should it take to shrink a 3TB partition to 2TB if it has about 1.26 TB of data already on it?
[04:54] <wilee-nilee> Bitwise, hard to say,
[04:54] <Bitwise> 7200 RPM of course
[04:55] <wilee-nilee> 3.9999 millennium
[04:55] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[04:55] <Bitwise> wilee-nilee, Would you estimate more or less than an hour?
[04:56] <wilee-nilee> Bitwise, I can't no, don;t paint yourself into a corner if you have only an hour
[04:56] <Bitwise> wilee-nilee, I have all the time in the world.
[04:56] <Bitwise> I'm just curious.
[04:57] <wilee-nilee> cool, me to generally
[05:10] <BlackDalek> I need help creating a name.desktop launcher icon for an app. The app I want to launch is of type executable (application/x-executable) and I can launch it from command line with ./filename while I am in the path where the app is located. What information do I need to add to the Exec= line in my .desktop file?
[05:12] <BlackDalek> I have tried Exec=.~/pathtofile/file and Exec=./~/pathtofile/file but neither work.
[05:14] <BlackDalek> I've also tried Exec=~/pathtofile/filename
[05:15] <Viking667> try Exec="$HOME/path/to/filename"
[05:15] <BlackDalek> ok
[05:16] <Viking667> incidentally, you don't need the .~ or ./~   as neither of those make sense.
[05:17] <Viking667> BlackDalek: I suspect it's that first . that's throwing things off.
[05:18] <AcidRain2012> huh...
[05:18] <AcidRain2012> im using ubuntu 12.04. KDE, .htaccess files wont show up in dolphin
[05:20] <BlackDalek> Viking667, didn't work.. I just get "There was an error launching the application" :(
[05:21] <Viking667> BlackDalek: hm. In the desktop configuration panel, there should be a "Launch in terminal"
[05:21] <Viking667> tick that, see what happens.
[05:22] <Viking667> (when you relaunch)
[05:22] <Viking667> bah, I'm not making myself very clear. What are you using to alter the .desktop file with?
[05:23] <BlackDalek> Viking667, what desktop configuration panel? I am editing with gedit (gksu gedit name.desktop)
[05:24] <wilee-nilee> ~/=home
[05:24] <wilee-nilee> BlackDalek, that should be gksudo
[05:26] <BlackDalek> gksu still works. what's the difference between using gksu or gksudo?
[05:27] <wilee-nilee> BlackDalek, I don't know the exact details, however ubuntu says gksudo
[05:27] <wilee-nilee> says use
[05:28] <ianorlin> wierd they share the same manpage
[05:28] <SchrodingersScat> I'm confused on the permissions of desktop files now.
[05:28] <hakanfast> according to ksysguard my notebook has over 9000 temperature sensors (slight exaggeration): http://i.imgur.com/pHj3Csf.png   how do I find out what is what? I'm especially interested in GPU temp.
[05:28] <Viking667> BlackDalek: look for a Terminal=false  line.
[05:28] <Viking667> change that to true
[05:28] <Viking667> save the .desktop file back, then try clicking on the icon for it again.
[05:29] <BlackDalek> Viking667, ok I thought that should be false. I will change it.
[05:29] <Viking667> I'm making it "True" so you can see if it's the .desktop or the program itself that can't start.
[05:32] <BlackDalek> Viking667, result is exactly the same. "There was an error launching the application". What was the expected result of changing Terminal=false to true?
[05:32] <Viking667> I expected to see a Terminal launched.
[05:32] <Viking667> pfft.
[05:32] <Viking667> can you pastebin the .desktop file?
[05:32] <Viking667> !pastebin
[05:32] <SchrodingersScat> why does a .desktop need to be root? -Shatner
[05:32] <wilee-nilee> lol
[05:35] <BlackDalek> SchrodingersScat,  the .desktop file is located in /usr/share/applications and it won't let me edit it without gksu
[05:35] <SchrodingersScat> BlackDalek: thanks
[05:36] <ARM9> just installed xubuntu, installation went seemingly fine and all but windows 8 is giving me trouble, I still boot straight into it even with secure boot and fast start disabled
[05:36] <BlackDalek> Viking667, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7534283/
[05:36] <ARM9> no grub in sight
[05:36] <auvajs> hi, how to let the sort program use Czech alphabet? when I do some sorting it uses English alphabet (apparently)
[05:37] <ARM9> although I did have fast start enabled during installation of xubuntu, I turned it off afterwards but I don't see how that should be an issue
[05:37] <nullbyte_> how long is dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdd?
[05:37] <ARM9> do I need to boot into the liveUSB again and install grub manually or something? any ideas
[05:37] <SchrodingersScat> nullbyte_: as long as it needs to
[05:39] <wilee-nilee> ARM9, Use this app just run the bootinfo summary and post it at the thread I post. This channel is not the best UEFI help. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10871917#post10871917
[05:39] <ARM9> I see
[05:40] <wilee-nilee> ARM9, there are a handful of people who know this stuff is all here regularly
[05:40] <Viking667> BlackDalek: hm.   remove the ' out of Quick 'N Easy
[05:41] <Viking667> also, remove the \  in between the quotes of the Exec line. You don't need them
[05:41] <BlackDalek> Viking667, won't that make the path wrong?
[05:41] <Viking667> nope. The path doesn't have \ in it anyhow.
[05:41] <BlackDalek> Viking667, ignore my last comment.. was looking at wrong section ;)
[05:42] <Viking667> yah.
[05:42] <Viking667> also, are you SURE you have the spelling right in the exec line? Linux IS case sensitive.
[05:43] <Viking667> one way to find out is to do this:   cd "$HOME/Quick\ and\ Easy\ Web\ Builder/qnewb"
[05:43] <BlackDalek> Viking667, path is correct case (copy & pasted directly from path in terminal)
[05:43] <Viking667> If that fails, then you have a spelling mistake.
[05:43] <Viking667> Ah.
[05:43] <Viking667> weird.
[05:43] <Viking667> could you start a Terminal for me please?
[05:43] <abhisek> hi guys
[05:43] <Viking667> and type into it
[05:44] <abhisek> can we implement DICOM/HL 7 protocol on ubuntu server?
[05:44] <Viking667> BlackDalek: type this:   "${HOME}/Quick and Easy Web Builder/qnewb"   then hit enter.
[05:44] <Viking667> pretty much, cut and paste from this IRC session into your terminal
[05:45] <BlackDalek> Viking667, that caused app to launch successfully.
[05:45] <Viking667> hm.
[05:46] <_1_luis> español
[05:46] <ARM9> wilee-nilee, actually I'll just boot into my live xubuntu usb and install boot-repair there, brb
[05:46] <Viking667> !espanol
[05:46] <RWOverdijk> uhu
[05:46] <Viking667> Ah, add this line:     Version=1.0
[05:47] <Viking667> BlackDalek: , add this line:     Version=1.0
[05:47] <Viking667> then save it, then try launching again
[05:47] <BlackDalek> Viking667, what does Version=1.0 do? and what should I have after my Exec= now?
[05:47] <RustyShackleford> anybody else using Chrome on ubuntu?
[05:47] <RustyShackleford> it's crashing all the time for me
[05:48] <Viking667> your exec line is correct.
[05:48] <RustyShackleford> usually when lots of tabs are open
[05:48] <Viking667> BlackDalek: sorry, your Exec line is correct. The Version provides something sane to the little .desktop parser
[05:50] <BlackDalek> Viking667, addition of Version=1.0 made no difference. Also the gedit highlighting for that line looks odd like it is incorrect... the 1 is black and the .0 is in pink...
[05:51] <Viking667> weird.
[05:51] <Viking667> tell you what.
[05:52] <Viking667> As you've clearly got a desktop available to you, what are you using for a WM or desktop manager?
[05:52] <Viking667> Gnome? Unity? KDE? Gnome-classic? lxde?
[05:52] <BlackDalek> Viking667, unity in ubuntu 14.04
[05:53] <Viking667> ouch.
[05:54] <Viking667> I have a crazy suggestion.
[05:54] <Viking667> BlackDalek: you've got other .desktop files on your system. You could load one of those up into gedit, copy it out to a spare.desktop
[05:54] <BlackDalek> Viking667, how crazy? Will I lose  limb?
[05:55] <Viking667> then edit that spare.desktop   so you remove all the Comment[zh_ZH]=... and so on.
[05:56] <Viking667> edit the Exec line to use "/home/yourusername/Quick and Easy Web Builder/qnewb"
[05:56] <abaddon> holstein, I found it after some clever word searching on the net. =] To get what I was looking for i needed to add my setting files to /etc/skel
[05:56] <Viking667> I have a funny feeling variables may not be getting parsed as variables.
[06:00] <Viking667> BlackDalek: so, have you used:  Exec="/home/yourname/Quick and Easy Web Builder/qnewb"   yet?
[06:01] <BlackDalek> Viking667, that Exec line worked. App launched
[06:02] <Viking667> good. Then you're good to go.
[06:02] <Viking667> Next time, I can remember that $HOME doesn't get parsed.
[06:03] <Viking667> I just wish that Unity gave us some way to actually edit those .desktop files with a pretty little GUI.
[06:03] <BlackDalek> Viking667, apparently neither does ~/
[06:03] <Viking667> yeah. Because it's treating it as literal ~, instead of translating that into /home/youruser... which is what /usr/bin/bash or /bin/dash would do.
[06:04] <Viking667> sigh. Sorry I sent you around the mulberry bush. But we got there in the end.
[06:05] <BlackDalek> Viking667, thanks ;)
[06:06] <abaddon> ok, anyone know how to nest a menu group into another group for xfce?
[06:07] <abaddon> Ie, Settings then in Settings there are options such as system
[06:09] <abaddon> i've tried editing the desktop files in /usr/share/applications AND /usr/share/sumthin-Desktop  to no avail and menu groups just wont go in where I want them
[06:10] <Polyatomic> Ubuntu Saucy : can anyone help me manually force 'echo' to not interpret escape sequences per default?
[06:10] <larrypg> abaddon, have you tried settings manager- main menu- new seperator- new item?
[06:11] <Viking667> Ah well, I've at least got gnome-shell working again, though I'm still not sure how.
[06:14] <abaddon> larrypg, ??? Sorry, I don't understand? I tried one option where i had settings.directory and then adding settings-System.desktop. from there i set the settings in it to what it should be. I then edited an test.desjtop file to see if it'd appear in the sub folder within the menu
[06:14] <abaddon> larrypg,  it keeps going to "other.desktop" or just other
[06:15] <larrypg> abaddon, you are using xubuntu?
[06:15] <abaddon> nope, ubuntu with a minimal xfce setup. ie just the wm n panel
[06:15] <abaddon> larrypg,  nope, ubuntu with a minimal xfce setup. ie just the wm n panel
[06:16] <larrypg> abaddon, oh- not sure about that then
[06:17] <abaddon> XD This is the ubu support pg. if i were using xubuntu id go to xubuntu support,lol
[06:17] <abaddon> larrypg,  XD This is the ubu support pg. if i were using xubuntu id go to xubuntu support,lol
[06:18] <woof-woof> I did "chown -R root:root /usr". And looks like I am in trouble... Anyway to revert this?
[06:19] <woof-woof> Ah, just login as root.. SOLVED!
[06:22] <ARM9> so uh, I can't find boot-repair in the ubuntu software center (xubuntu 14.04)
[06:22] <ARM9> is there a way to access the old package manager (the one without all the fancy cruft)?
[06:25] <Loshki> ARM9: This is why I don't use GUIs much: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair#A2nd_option_:_install_Boot-Repair_in_Ubuntu
[06:26] <ARM9> oh, it's not even in the default repos, gotcha
[06:43] <CrowX-> how can I install ubuntu without rewriting the home directory?
[06:43] <CrowX-> I would like to keep the home directory I used for another distro
[06:43] <CrowX-> it's on a separate partition
[06:44] <CrowX-> is there an option for this in the install process?
[06:44] <bloatedbayesian> What do you mean seperate partition?
[06:44] <minimec> CrowX-: It' something like 'do other things' -> manual partitining tool.
[06:45] <minimec> CrowX-: There you can decide NOT to format the /home partition
[06:45] <CrowX-> ok, thanks
[06:45] <helmut_> hi
[06:45] <bloatedbayesian> If your home directory is on a separate partition then... oh, Ubuntu. Missed that.
[06:45] <ARM9> pretty much, you'll be able to see your old home partition from the new install, unless it's protected in some way
[06:46] <ARM9> heck I can see my windows partition from here
[06:46] <bloatedbayesian> Yeah what minimec said.
[06:46] <bloatedbayesian> Well most stuff does support NTFS, ARM9.
[06:46] <bloatedbayesian> It's Windows that can't EXT.
[06:46] <ARM9> sort of
[06:51] <pfifo> why do i have to nontoctal click the title bar of a window to trigger restore/maximize? Double click dosent seem to be taken by any function.
[06:52] <Viking667> aaaargh. xfce doesn't seem to set the background, even when I select it. Gnome-shell has display issues of the background when the resolutions' not what the monitor can display.
[06:52] <Viking667> I'm getting frustrated as heck with gnome-shell and its shenanigans, and I'm beginning to smell a rat.
[07:01] <ARM9> somehow 600MiB ram feels a bit overkill for 10 tabs (firefox 29)
[07:05] <ARM9> is there any way to display dependencies in ubuntu software center? I click install and it just begins churning deps without asking or displaying them
[07:05] <ARM9> actually I'll just install synaptic
[07:06] <bloatedbayesian> Or you could apt-get the old fashioned way.
[07:06] <bloatedbayesian> :P
[07:06] <ARM9> too lazy
[07:06] <bloatedbayesian> Too lazy to type?\
[07:06] <ARM9> all this typing when I can just drag a pointer across the screen and click shinies
[07:07] <bloatedbayesian> Haha. I'm too lazy to use GUIs.
[07:07] <Viking667> that's why I use synaptic.
[07:07] <lvleph> I can't be bothered to move my fingers from keyboard to mouse. Thus I use i3wm.
[07:07] <Viking667> lol. I'm not THAT hardcore.
[07:07] <bloatedbayesian> Too much hand-eye coordination involved.
[07:07] <lvleph> VIM and i3wm ftw
[07:08] <ARM9> looks dope
[07:08] <lvleph> pentadactyl plugin for firefox
[07:08] <lvleph> no mouse required
[07:08] <Viking667> I like Vim. I use it regularly. But a WM that requires a keyboard to do everything? hmmmm.
[07:08] <lvleph> Viking667, checkout pentadactyl for firefox
[07:08] <Viking667> I already have vimperator installed...
[07:09] <tay_> Hello, quick question - Are there any problems with me putting my root partition on a different disk than my home one?
[07:09] <Viking667> I've also got the equivalent installed in Chrome, which is the browser I use.
[07:09] <lvleph> I prefer pentadactyl, but I can't remember why
[07:09] <bloatedbayesian> No, tay_.
[07:09] <Viking667> tay_: As long as both disks appear, you should be fine.
[07:09] <lvleph> it doesn't work as well on chrome
[07:09] <tay_> Awesome, thanks a lot
[07:09] <cfhowlett> tay_ some people do that.  I don't see a huge benefit, but YMMV
[07:09] <Viking667> I've never tried pentadactyl.
[07:09] <bloatedbayesian> It might make encrypted backups easier.
[07:09] <Viking667> cfhowlett: I've found it's useful when I need to record video and audio to use separate disks.
[07:09] <bloatedbayesian> Just depends on what setup you're using.
[07:10] <Viking667> ...but that'sme.
[07:10] <tay_> I've got limited SSD space
[07:10] <Viking667> Ahhh. yes.
[07:10]  * Viking667 bangs his head against the table. Gnome-Shell is STILL stuffed up, even with a completely new-to-logging-in install.
[07:10] <cfhowlett> tay_ ???? a plain vanilla ubuntu runs less than 10 gigs?  put /home on a different partition for data and you should be good.
[07:11] <tay_> Yeah that's what I'm doing
[07:11] <Sonderblade> i've been starting to get this message after upgrading to 14.04 "Failed to spawn hybrid-gfx main process" what does it mean?
[07:11] <bloatedbayesian> I think maybe all computers should have a tiny SSD installed, and a bigger conventional drive.
[07:12] <bloatedbayesian> Put your OS and important software on the tiny one and all your static documents and slowy software on the big one.
[07:12] <bloatedbayesian> This should be standard.
[07:12] <bloatedbayesian> Also, everyone should use Linux and everyone should eat Soylent.
[07:13] <DARPA> I know this is not the channel I should be asking in but if anyone can assist me on installing openvpn [client only] on debian stable i'd greatly appreciate it
[07:13] <tay_> That's how I roll, even with my limited knowledge of multiple-disk systems lol
[07:13] <xangua> |!debian | DARPA
[07:13] <Ben64> DARPA: then ... if you know its not the right channel, why ask here? try #debian
[07:13] <bloatedbayesian> sudo apt-get install openvnc -y?
[07:13] <DARPA> I've never used more than 1 drive so I'm so ill on knowing how to run a RAID
[07:14] <cfhowlett> DARPA and we don't support #debian.  ask elsewhere.
[07:14] <DARPA> yo for real? that thing keeps on acting like a server on my system..
[07:14] <bloatedbayesian> Or do you want help with configuration too? :P
[07:14] <DARPA> I just import my ovpn files usually on Fedora, which works out the box
[07:14] <cfhowlett> !ot|DARPA
[07:14] <DARPA> done so with ubuntu also which is why im still like confused
[07:15] <DARPA> Ubuntu is debian based man, those guys arent helping in #debian lol
[07:15] <bloatedbayesian> Maybe you should have lied and said you used Ubuntu.
[07:15] <cfhowlett> hey uh DARPA : debian IS NOT SUPPORTED HERE.
[07:15] <bloatedbayesian> I doubt it would have made any practical difference besides people trying to solve your problem. :P
[07:16] <Ben64> bloatedbayesian: don't suggest that
[07:16] <bloatedbayesian> Ben64: :(
[07:16] <DARPA> hey, i apologize for the inconvenience and all but seriously, I am just asking for help. Thanks anyhow.
[07:17] <DARPA> Used to help people all day in here in 2008, thought it wouldn't be a bad choice considering the other room is not even typing.
[07:17] <bloatedbayesian> I'd help you if I could DARPA. But I don't know anything about configuring VPN.
[07:17] <tay_> Likewise :/
[07:17] <DARPA> Thank you, I greatly appreciate you wanting to.
[07:17] <DARPA> Thanks anyhow
[07:17] <Ben64> DARPA: its not to be mean or anything, the helpers here are ubuntu people, if they are debian people, they'd be in #debian as well.
[07:18] <xangua> DARPA: there is ##linux for general linux discussion and helping on a dedicated x distro channel doesn't mean you can get help about other linux distros
[07:18] <bloatedbayesian> Ben64: it just seems like an arbitrary constraint when we aren't doing anything else with chat time anyway, and Debian problems are usually pretty much the same as Ubuntu problems in my experience.
[07:19] <bloatedbayesian> I understand enforcing policies, but at a certain point policies become a little unnecessarily restricting.
[07:20] <Ben64> bloatedbayesian: its not arbitrary. there are important differences. thats why #debian and #ubuntu both exist. #debian wouldn't help with ubuntu stuff, we won't help with debian, mint users can't get help here, and ubuntu users or debian users can't get help in the mint channel.
[07:20] <uo> grub isnt loading at all on a dualboot windows 8 uefi, i tried to re-install but i get a failed to get canonical path of udev error. any help ?
[07:20] <bloatedbayesian> And that's all silly when there's a lot of overlap and channels aren't always active and responsive!
[07:21] <Ben64> bloatedbayesian: its not silly. its the reason we have separate channels. if someone knows multiple distros, and wants to help with them all, they are free to be in as many channels as they want
[07:22] <bloatedbayesian> I don't think that's how it works in practice.
[07:22] <Ben64> if you wish to discuss the channel rules, i'm sure they'd be happy to explain it to you in #ubuntu-ops
[07:22] <cfhowlett> this ^^^
[07:23] <bloatedbayesian> I'm not asking for an explanation, I think I understand the rules if not the motivations. I'm just not convinced that it's an ideal policy.
[07:23] <Ben64> then take it to #ubuntu-ops
[07:24] <uo> doesn't anybody know why grub cant load
[07:24] <bloatedbayesian> No we're too busy arguing about channel policy. :P
[07:24] <cfhowlett> !uefi|uo
[07:25] <uo> failed to get canonical path of udev
[07:25] <corp> How do I turn on the fan? My k10temp temperature is over 70C and the fan isn't turning on. I have fancontrol but it says "Can't load configuration file" and sensors-detect cant find any modules to load. Please help me, how can I turn on the fan? My system is extremely overheating.
[07:25] <uo> cfhowlett, i've read it already, i tried boot-repair on the same machine last week, different install, but it didnt work either
[07:25] <Ben64> corp: k10temp is completely unreliable, don't believe it
[07:26] <DARPA> Ben64, very lame how those internet fist fights are occurring but I understand the gravity of the situation being different operating systems; wish people were more Open like our OS Sources. Lol.
[07:26] <uo> i also tried to edit the bcd in windows to replace the bootmgr with grub's grubx64.efi it didnt work either
[07:26] <bloatedbayesian> Be careful. I'm pretty sure you can get permanent hardware damage if you let the temp go way beyond rating.
[07:26] <corp> Ben64: please, how can I turn the fan on
[07:26] <corp> fancontrol isn't working
[07:26] <corp> my laptop is hot as hell
[07:27] <Ben64> DARPA: its not lame. this is an ubuntu channel. don't be surprised when debian is offtopic in #ubuntu.
[07:27] <corp> its overheating extremely
[07:27] <cfhowlett> !patience|corp
[07:27] <Ben64> corp: again, k10temp is completely unreliable. do not believe it.
[07:27] <uo> corp i use psensor for temp
[07:27] <DARPA> corp you have to be very careful with those fan settings on fancontrol, I've looked into it for my Nvidia card and am not attempting to play with such configurations yet.
[07:28] <corp> lm-sensors is not starting up too
[07:28] <b7> Hello all. Could anyone say where enironment variables GNOME_KEYRING_PID and GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL is set, please? They are not set while in shell, but are set in xterminal. I can't find the place where they are set. I'm using XFCE.
[07:28] <corp> /usr/sbin/pwmconfig: There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed
[07:28] <DARPA> Did you try to find out if it's compatible with your gear?
[07:28] <DARPA> There are a bit of compatibility issues with fancontrol I've read.
[07:29] <corp> Isn't there any other way to turn on the fan?
[07:29] <DARPA> Which fan are you referring to?
[07:29] <DARPA> CPU?
[07:29] <Ben64> corp: are you sure it isn't on? it might only turn on when the temperature actually rises
[07:29] <DARPA> ^thats very true, depending on settings
[07:29] <corp> The temperature is super high.
[07:30] <corp> My laptop is extremely hot.
[07:30] <corp> and the keyboard part of the laptop is hot too.
[07:30] <bloatedbayesian> Try putting it in the microwave and seeing if the fan turns on then.
[07:30] <DARPA> Yikes, I wouldnt even keep running it, you should try reading up on the manual more to make sure you got precise measurements in calculations on numbers places [options]
[07:30] <bloatedbayesian> Pff, but seriously yeah you can damage it that way.
[07:30] <Ben64> bloatedbayesian: don't
[07:31] <uo> maybe something is using up the cpu ?
[07:31] <bloatedbayesian> Don't put it in the microwave? Sound technical advice, Ben64.
[07:31] <DARPA> <recommends a physical fan controller.
[07:31] <Ben64> bloatedbayesian: don't say stuff like that in this channel
[07:31] <DARPA> I got mine for just $25
[07:32] <bloatedbayesian> Right, serious channel for serious people. Light-heartedness is too frivolous.
[07:32] <DARPA> I dont think it's an operation running on his system causing these atrocious temps...
[07:32] <Ben64> bloatedbayesian: maybe you should read the channel rules and guidelines
[07:32] <DARPA> Might just have improper settings on fancontrol, my conclusion.
[07:32] <bloatedbayesian> Okay I will.
[07:33] <DARPA> I messed up a bit learning how to use FanSpeed, had a few break downs on Windows; it's experimental to use such utilities so heads up to that
[07:33] <Ben64> DARPA, corp: or could be bad settings in the bios
[07:33] <corp> I have a Compaq 435.
[07:33] <DARPA> Are you running the default settings on BIOS?
[07:33] <corp> Yes.
[07:34] <tehpwnz> i just installed 14.04 and i have no sound when i use headphones. ive RTFM and read wikis, removed alsa and pulse audio, reinstalled, rebooted but no joy. How can i fix this?
[07:34] <corp> lemme try it from the BIOS
[07:34] <bloatedbayesian> Skimmed it, Ben64. There is no overwhelmingly obvious way in which I am in violation.
[07:34] <DARPA> You did look to see if the component is "ON" instead of "OFF" on the GUI right?
[07:35] <bazhang> !behelpful | bloatedbayesian
[07:35] <nel> hey guys how to change my resolution to 1280x800 from 640x480
[07:35] <nel> ?
[07:35] <bloatedbayesian> I didn't say"just google it".
[07:35] <DARPA> I think the lowest normal resolution is 800x600, but I'm sure there's a way to configure it using Xorg.
[07:35] <uo> nel, settings > display settings
[07:36] <uo> nel if you want to make custom resolutions you can, btw.
[07:36] <cfhowlett> bloatedbayesian "put it in the microwave ..." is not a helpful suggestion
 nel, settings > display settings
[07:36] <bazhang> bloatedbayesian, please see your PM
[07:36] <bloatedbayesian> It was a joke.
[07:36] <DARPA> he left the room i think
[07:36] <nel> no other options, just 640x480
[07:36] <DARPA> You'd have to configure Xorg
[07:36] <nel> by the way my laptop is so old haha
[07:36] <DARPA> to apply such resolution
[07:36] <cfhowlett> bloatedbayesian strangely enough, neither funny nor helpful
[07:36] <uo> are you running two screens or just the laptop display ?
[07:36] <DARPA> Sounds old, but keep it.
[07:37] <bloatedbayesian> Slightly helpful and very unhelpful.
[07:37] <nel> just the laptop
[07:37] <bloatedbayesian> *slightly funny
[07:37] <DARPA> Better than running a supposed Intel i-series proc which supposedly is determined to have NSA backdoors attached.
[07:37] <bazhang> lets get back on topic please DARPA
[07:37] <DARPA> Just a statement
[07:37] <uo> nel type: gtf 640 480 60
[07:37] <DARPA> but yes, back to the Xconfiguratoin
[07:38] <nel> SISVGA graphics is awful in ubuntu
[07:38] <ARM9> crud, any ideas how to find out what audio drivers I'm running on xubuntu 14.04?
[07:38] <nel> but its nice on windows 8.1
[07:38] <ARM9> no clue what's in this lappy
[07:39] <tehpwnz> my install only has 5 entries in the settings. this isnt normal is it? do i need to do a reinstall?
[07:39] <nel> how to edit xorg?
[07:39] <ARM9> getting a subtle crackling through cans, this doesn't happen on windows
[07:39] <DARPA> Consider using Xvidtune to configure your Xorg configuration
[07:39] <nel> ahh xvidtune
[07:40] <DARPA> Yes, I just googled that from a forum page stating the same issue, but he's using a native monitor to my resolution [I believe.]
[07:40] <DARPA> Xvidtune should do it naturally with proper settings attached, most definitely I believe considering I've looked into using it during Nvidia driver installations
[07:40] <DARPA> but as always be careful
[07:40] <DARPA> to the extent needed ;)
[07:40] <nel> video playback is also poor
[07:41] <nel> thanks btw
[07:42] <nel> ill searcg for it
[07:42] <nel> search
[07:42] <Gaba1> can someone help me with installation problems with ubuntu server?
[07:42] <bazhang> x11-xserver-utils <-- try this ne1
[07:42] <cfhowlett> Gaba1 ask here or in #ubuntu-server
[07:42] <Gaba1> ty
[07:43] <nel> what shall I do with that?
[07:43] <bazhang> ne1 for xvidtune
[07:43] <nel> can you give the link for xvidtune?
[07:44] <nel> pls
[07:44] <DARPA> yeah, bazhang has another good suggestion
[07:44] <bazhang> I just did
[07:44] <DARPA> apt-get install xvidtune
[07:44] <bazhang> xvidtune is part of what I just said
[07:44] <DARPA> or apt-get install x11-xserver-utils
[07:44] <DARPA> Believe you'd want the full package for better results. thank you bazhang
[07:45] <bazhang> !info xvidtune
[07:45] <bazhang> it's part of the larger utils package
[07:45] <nel> sudo?
[07:45] <uo> yes nel
[07:47] <DARPA> sorry for that answer nel, it is part of the x11-xserver-utils package
[07:47] <nel> it says x11 is already the newest version
[07:47] <DARPA> this is a configuration package with a few utilities to help you configure the Xorg configuration
[07:47] <DARPA> I'd gamble and tell you to just 'Xorg --configure' but that might do something nasty...
[07:47] <uo> i already have it,
[07:48] <nel> x11-xserver-utils is already the newest version.
[07:48] <nel> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 132 not upgrad
[07:48] <uo> type xvidtune in the terminal
[07:48] <DARPA> as sudo, for better results maybe
[07:48] <uo> but it gave a huge warning.. can do damage to video card or monitor etc etc
[07:48] <DARPA> something things dont work without root
[07:48] <DARPA> sometimes*
[07:48] <nel> Video modes are not settable on this chip
[07:48] <DARPA> You are using Gnome correct?
[07:49] <nel> I'm using Xubuntu
[07:49] <DARPA> oh you're using Xfce
[07:49] <nel> What's Gnome?
[07:49] <DARPA> okay yeah another GUI wouldnt help.
[07:49] <nel> sorry Im new to ubuntu
[07:50] <DARPA> No problemo, Gnome is the official GUI [graphical user interface], what does not come up with a CLI/Terminal prompt, your GUI; where the mouse moves
[07:50] <nel> ok
[07:50] <uo> nel, open a terminal, type gtf 640 480 60, copy the resulting numbers following 60.00", type xrandr --newmode 640x480 <the numbers you copied>
[07:51] <DARPA> You're using Xfce4, which could be what's causing the malfunctioning issue with your graphics card, you might need to install KDE or Gnome for better results, but again, this suggestion may only be a a gamble.
[07:51] <DARPA> or try that
[07:51] <cfhowlett> nel sudo apt-get install lxde              logout/choose lxde session/login       and test
[07:51] <nel> i see
[07:51] <DARPA> Yeah, I am using LXDE myself.
[07:51] <DARPA> Very lightweight ;)
[07:52] <nel> where can I get that?
[07:52] <DARPA> nel, try using uo's suggestion
[07:52] <uo> then type: xrandr --addmode default 640x480, then type: xrandr --output default --mode 640x480
[07:52] <DARPA> that is a direct command to attempt running in that resolution size
[07:53] <nel> Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[07:54] <uo> after whcih command ?
[07:54] <uo> gtf ?
[07:54] <nel> after -newmode
[07:54] <uo> did you copy the whole line like 23.86 ..etc etc +Vsync ?
[07:55] <nel> yes
[07:55] <nel> X Error of failed request:  BadName (named color or font does not exist)
[07:57] <uo> same here
[07:57] <nel> xrandr --newmode 640x480 23.86  640 656 720 800  480 481 484 497  -HSync +Vsync
[07:57] <uo> its not working on this laptop either
[07:57] <uo> i tried a different resolution and its working though
[07:58] <DARPA> I personally [think, solely; possibly wrong] that it will not work, just due to the age of the use of that resolution... Disappointed however.
[07:58] <DARPA> A larger scaled one?
[07:58] <uo> with 1280 770 60 it works
[07:58] <DARPA> genius man, congrats.
[07:58] <DARPA> you got an even better resolution XD
[07:58] <uo> i use it for a plasma screen
[07:59] <uo> though
[07:59] <DARPA> you might want to add a few higher resolutions then
[08:00] <nel> i want higher res
[08:00] <DARPA> read the manual on your plasma if need be to find the resolution(s) chart and add mode those
[08:00] <DARPA> nel, you're running it right at the moment off your laptop screen or a seperate monitor?
[08:01] <nel> on my laptop screen
[08:01] <uo> try 1360 768
[08:01] <uo> 800x600 didnt work here
[08:01] <DARPA> It might just work naturally and switch resolutions when attached to the plasma, if not you will need to employ different resolutions as before.
[08:01] <DARPA> Different GFXcard port so it could possibly run better and function accordingly
[08:01] <nel> my graphics card supports 1280x800
[08:02] <DARPA> Use that
[08:02] <uo> yeah.
[08:02] <DARPA> is it an intel graphics card?
[08:02] <nel> i have that resolution on windows 8.1
[08:02] <nel> SisVgA
[08:02] <nel> old vga graphics card
[08:02] <DARPA> sometimes those go higher than whats shown on your monitor if a different device is plugged in via VGA/HDMI/DVI
[08:02] <larrypg> nel, you might want to read http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2215422&highlight=sis+card+working+ubuntu
[08:03] <DARPA> I know certain gfx-cards will boost your resolutions tremendously right when the device is attached via VGA etc..
[08:03] <totesmuhgoats> hey guys
[08:04] <nel> ok
[08:04] <nel> gtg guys
[08:04] <uo> nel if you use xrandr, after the resolution changes go to settings > display settings, itll appear there too, set it there so that it persists when you reboot
[08:04] <nel> thanks for your time
[08:05] <uo> if it doesnt persist add those lines to the .profile in your home directory
[08:05] <totesmuhgoats> so i have a xubuntu 12.04 LTS system that i plan to upgrade to 14.04. my install is very "lived in", have a RAID5, have an init script i wrote myself, some users i've created for daemonizing certain things. i am just wondering how i should expect the in place upgrade to affect all these things
[08:06] <totesmuhgoats> i am doing a system image just in case, but can i expect all these things to be preserved, or will the upgrade overwrite the configuration for a lot of things and dramatically alter the startup process?
[08:07] <Gallomimia> totesmuhgoats: trying to write an init script myself for a raid5. it's not working...
[08:08] <totesmuhgoats> Gallomimia, my script isn't for RAID5, ubuntu took care of that out of the box, i imported a RAID i built on archlinux and the installer set everything up itself
[08:08] <vlad__> hi
[08:09] <totesmuhgoats> hey vlad__
[08:11] <samu> Hi.
[08:11] <samu> I've been given a weird task on an ubuntu server machine. After updating, for some reason, after a while (or almost immediatelly during the boot) the md1 raid (root partition) gets remounted in read-only, like when an error occurs
[08:12] <samu> except that I don't see in any logs any info about a failing disk (only information that md1 has been remounted).
[08:12] <samu> I scanned both disks with smart, and they seem fine. mdstat also doesn't report any errors.
[08:13] <samu> Now because I can't see anything useful from the OS perspective, can this be a screwed up controller? Or does anybody have any idea what other tests could I make to be sure?
[08:13] <shunya_chakra> hi is there sdl available in apt-get install?
[08:13] <ARM9> yes
[08:14] <ARM9> some of it was rather dated last time I checked, might want to build from source
[08:14] <Neringan> samu : does your fstbab looks fine ?
[08:14] <Neringan> fstab*
[08:14] <uo> can anyone help me with dualbooting windows 8?
[08:15] <wilee-nilee> uo, THis a OEM W8?
[08:15] <uo> yes
[08:15] <wilee-nilee> !uefi | uo
[08:15] <uo> thanks ive read it already..no dice.
[08:16] <shunya_chakra> ARM9, ok can u please suggest me good link of tutorial installation I tried but I failed.
[08:16] <mdunc_> samu:  check output of dmesg too.  anything useful in there?
[08:16] <wilee-nilee> uo, Than your doing something wrong, at the least here you have to give details of what has happened. UEFI stuff is not real well known here is all.
[08:17] <uo> well i tried boot-repair and it didnt work
[08:17] <uo> so i tried to reinstall grub, but i get a can not find canonical path of udev error.
[08:18] <mdunc_> uo: what happened when you tried to install ubuntu?  it didn’t detect your windows 8 install?
[08:18] <uo> no it didnt detect it
[08:18] <mdunc_> uo: so what install option did you choose?
[08:19] <uo> something else, made a swap and a /
[08:19] <uo> read that it will use the efi partition at the beginning of the drive
[08:19] <uo> but it only contains an empty grub folder
[08:20] <uo> ah wait, theres EFI/ubuntu/ which has the .efi files
[08:20] <mdunc_> uo: when you booted the ubuntu image, you booted in EFI mode correct?
[08:20] <uo> yes
[08:21] <Gallomimia> grub grub grub, which are good, which are bad...
[08:21] <Neringan> samu : from what you said your raid seems ok. Maybe you should take a look at the filesystems with fsck
[08:21] <mdunc_> uo: after ubuntu finished installing and your system rebooted, did you get to the grub menu?
[08:21] <Gallomimia> i need to configure grub. but i need to make my own initrd apparently. it's complicated, and i are confuzed
[08:21] <Gallomimia> ]
[08:21] <uo> no it loads windows directly
[08:22] <mdunc_> uo: you have just one hard drive?
[08:22] <wilee-nilee> Gallomimia, Why would you have to make anything?
[08:22] <uo> yes
[08:22] <Gallomimia> i have lvm and crypt installed, and its on a raid. have to start all that before the boot can proceed
[08:23] <wilee-nilee> ah past my pay rate, good luck.
[08:23] <mdunc_> uo: does your system have SecureBoot?
[08:23] <uo> yes, ive turned it off.
[08:24] <Gallomimia> mine too wilee-nilee i had no idea how complicated it was going to be on the way here :) might as well finish. its pretty fun trouble so far!
[08:24] <mdunc_> uo: you turned it off before or after installing ubuntu?
[08:24] <Gallomimia> RGH. i can't get the keyboard to keep working after grub loads the install disk anymore ><
[08:24] <uo> after installing ubuntu, but i think its unrelated since i had ubuntu running alone, and the same issue as now happened after i installed windows alongside it.
[08:24] <wilee-nilee> Gallomimia, Heh, as long as you're having fun go for it. ;)
[08:24] <Gallomimia> plus it continues to say my bios is corrupted
[08:25] <samu> Neringan: fsck also reports everything is ok, however it takes a suspiciously short time
[08:25] <Gallomimia> wilee-nilee: not as much fun as the games it should be playing right now, but it is pretty fun
[08:25] <samu> Neringan: fstab looks fine
[08:25] <samu> Neringan: basically it mounts in rw, it just remounts after a while
[08:25] <mdunc_> uo: wait, you installed windows after installing ubuntu?
[08:25] <Gallomimia> here i go... encryption raiding logical volumes! oh. the keyboard won't work in the installer.... hallllp?
[08:25] <samu> mdunc_: yup, checked dmesg, nothing really useful there, besides info that md1 has been remounted.
[08:26] <wilee-nilee> Gallomimia, Fun for me is a cloned os, and or a couple of commands and calling it a day. ;)
[08:26] <Gallomimia> yeah. i want to ditch macos from my life
[08:26] <Gallomimia> that means getting lots of ubuntu set up and running
[08:27] <samu> I'll try a full fsck though
[08:27] <uo> i installed windows after it a couple days ago, ubuntu wouldnt load so then i wiped everything, installed windows 8 and ubuntu after it.
[08:28] <DARPA> SecureBoot took a day away from my life.
[08:28] <DARPA> Lol.
[08:28] <DARPA> Sorry to sound so dumb but seriously, it wasn't easy getting my laptop to install Windows 7 natively on legacy mode.
[08:28] <Gallomimia> every time. keyboard quits working soon as i get to select language in rescue mode. something's wrong with a bios setting anyone know it/
[08:28] <uo> i had to reinstall windows anyways
[08:29] <DARPA> Found something about OpRom Legacy and went for it, after skimming through the manual so much
[08:29] <DARPA> googled OpRom Legacy and presto
[08:29] <dohzer> What are the best serial port/UART apps for Ubuntu? I just want to send and receive basic text data.
[08:29] <mdunc_> uo: ok, so you wiped and reloaded with just windows.  windows booted correctly.  then you installed ubuntu, but it just boots straight to windows.  is this correct?
[08:29] <DARPA> I presumed it was part of the PXE Boot options.
[08:29] <mdunc_> samu:  what do you have in /dev/md* or /dev/md/*
[08:30] <uo> yes
[08:30] <DARPA> Did you allow grub to manage the master boot sector?
[08:30] <uo> how do i allow it ?
[08:30] <DARPA> That should handle it fine, and also still have Grub notice Windows *
[08:31] <DARPA> Here's the question I have for you, did you install windows as UEFI/GPT or Legacy/MBR?
[08:31] <DARPA> then Ubuntu as the opposite?
[08:31] <DARPA> Because it would totally do that
[08:31] <uo> i didnt touch the bios
[08:31] <uo> its uefi/gpt
[08:32] <DARPA> you might want to acutally boot up not from the "Windows" or "Ubuntu" option but see if Grub is actually working
[08:32] <DARPA> by deploying your HDD first
[08:32] <DARPA> forget going into windows or ubuntu
[08:32] <DARPA> you might have done it correct
[08:32] <DARPA> just need to boot the actual HDD
[08:32] <mdunc_> samu: what’s the contents of your  /etc/mkinitcpio.conf?
[08:32] <DARPA> happens on my Asus from time to time.
[08:32] <wilee-nilee> uo, I gave you the best support link on this, people here will try, but it's out of wanting to help but not really having a clue.
[08:33] <uo> wilee-nilee im rereading it right now.
[08:33] <samu> mdunc_: I don't have such file.
[08:33] <DARPA> Gallomimia, you have a Mac computer?
[08:33] <ciurkut> hiho... i have weird problem... i tweak wallpaper settings in gnome-tweak-tool... after i reboot settings reset to some weird conf... wallpaper on desktop is different than in shell... and lockscreen theme is not there (white) any ideas?
[08:33] <mdunc_> samu: i might have been thinking of arch.  sorry :P
[08:33] <samu> yeah ;)_
[08:33] <ciurkut> if i change wallpaper through normal settings same thing happens
[08:33] <samu> Currently I have it booted from pxe, in memory, so I can safely play with the raid and check
[08:34] <DARPA> try resetting the entire options on the tweak tool
[08:34] <wilee-nilee> uo, Have an accurate bootinfo summary from the bootrepair app and post it here. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10871917#post10871917
[08:34] <ciurkut> DARPA where is that option? under which tab?
[08:34] <io__> anyonewiht irfanview experience ?
[08:35] <DARPA> well my personal way of doing it is reinstalling the program but i believe i might have that tool available, give me 1 second please
[08:35] <samu> I'm running short of ideas ;P
[08:35] <mdunc_> samu: any /dev/md* files?  try mdstat —detail /dev/md[whatever you have]
[08:35] <tay_> Howdy, quick question again, should I be using grub (legacy) or grub 2 from easybcd?
[08:35] <DARPA> switching back and forth an option to default settings then applying the change
[08:36] <mdunc_> samu: see if it says the raid raid is clean
[08:36] <samu> wait, I don't have mdstat there
[08:36] <DARPA> tay_, are you using Legacy, and did you install EasyBCD after or before [not that it matters much but it does in some cases]
[08:36] <Gallomimia> DARPA: i have a mac laptop
[08:36] <mdunc_> samu: what about mdadm?
[08:36] <wilee-nilee> tay_, Grub legacy is not in installs
[08:36] <DARPA> Ah I see, you're not enjoying the experience I'm presuming.
[08:36] <samu> mdunc_: no, wait, I just have to install it.
[08:36] <tay_> I'm not using Legacy BIOS, as far as I'm aware
[08:36] <samu> mdunc_: I'm in a livecd, remember ;P
[08:36] <tay_> On my install I set up UEFI
[08:36] <mdunc_> samu: ah, gotcha
[08:37] <DARPA> I like Mac OS X for productive reasons but as a personal OS I can see your choice in a Linux distro
[08:37] <DARPA> You didnt want to BootCamp/dualboot?
[08:37] <tay_> It's just that when I select my linux option from the grub menu, it gives me a windows startup error
[08:37] <DARPA> I would only trust Mac OS X disconnected from the internet, personally... No offense.
[08:37] <tay_> "Windows failed to start... File: \NST\AutoNeoGrub0.mbr"
[08:38] <DARPA> Yeah, you might definitely want to not use EasyBCD
[08:38] <wilee-nilee> tay_, From whay I have seen here there is a windows boot menu outside the grub menu you would use.
[08:38] <wilee-nilee> for windows
[08:38] <DARPA> and NST/AutoneoGrub, could be set up for a Legacy bootloader
[08:38] <tay_> ? Could you elaborate more, please?
[08:38] <tay_> @wilee-nilee
[08:38] <DARPA> Did you try seeing if the Native grub bootloader runs initially once choosing to boot up the HDD
[08:38] <DARPA> and not a specific OS
[08:38] <Gallomimia> DARPA: i don't think i'd trust it then
[08:39] <DARPA> No, there are UUID hacks on Mac OS X and in every hacker convention they annihilate Mac OS X on javascripts on Safari
[08:39] <Kartagis> how to convert a vbox image to kvm format with something other than VBoxManage? VBoxManage throws errors with --format raw
[08:39] <DARPA> even if its not going to a site sometimes
[08:39] <samu> mdunc_: state : clean, it seems ok
[08:39] <wilee-nilee> tay_, I wish I could, hardly anyone here really knows uefi, there are better places for support. There are a few helpers here who know this stuff but I see none now.
[08:39] <DARPA> just the fact that its connected to the internet
[08:39] <tay_> After I ran my install, it only auto boots Windows. I had not installed grub yet. No other boot options
[08:40] <DARPA> Steve Jobs did  have backdoors installed on older Mac OS X and given notice to NSA in the past.
[08:40] <llutz> !ot | DARPA
[08:40] <DARPA> Same way Bill Gates made NetBIOS a free-for-all
[08:40] <wilee-nilee> tay_> It's just that when I select my linux option from the grub menu, it gives me a windows startup error. THan what does this mean?
[08:40] <DARPA> Sorry, will stay on topic, good choice going with Ubuntu its a very hassle free system. :)
[08:40] <tay_> Well, I tried using EasyBCD to set the boot option for a Linux OS given the root partition
[08:41] <tay_> And then when I selected that from the grub menu, it gave the error that I quoted
[08:41] <DARPA> See now here's another aspect I just thought of, maybe EasyBCD deleted your initial gub installation from Linux
[08:41] <DARPA> like overwrote it
[08:41] <mdunc_> samu: ok, try this, mdadm --assemble --scan
[08:41] <tay_> There wasn't one to begin with
[08:41] <tay_> I didn't try EasyBCD until after
[08:41] <mdunc_> samu: then see if you have read/write access to your raid
[08:41] <DARPA> Did you boot up directly from the HDD though, not just let the PC run itself first?
[08:42] <tay_> Erm.
[08:42] <DARPA> In certain situations I've experienced I've needed to actually make the HDD load, just start from the HDD level, not the prewritten OS commands.
[08:42] <DARPA> to make Grub actually work
[08:43] <DARPA> just speaking from experience, it can be a PITA sometimes.
[08:43] <tay_> I mean, I went through the BIOS and nothing really changed in terms of available boot options...
[08:43] <tay_> Not sure if that's what you're referring to.
[08:43] <DARPA> Okay you're using UEFI correct?
[08:43] <DARPA> and a GPT partition scheme
[08:44] <DARPA> Grub sometimes doesnt play friend with GPT, and you'd need to load from the actual HDD, not the automatically "Windows" "Ubuntu" buttons
[08:44] <tay_> I believe so.
[08:44] <samu> mdunc_: it complains that md1 is not in a config file ;<
[08:44] <DARPA> Just straight load the HDD
[08:44] <samu> I've ran into that problem yesterday, but I don't remember how i fixed it
[08:44] <DARPA> you mentioned EasyBCD also, that could just ruin everything
[08:44] <mdunc_> samu: can you mount /dev/md1?
[08:45] <samu> yeah
[08:45] <samu> # mount |grep md1
[08:45] <samu> /dev/md1 on /mnt type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered)
[08:45] <wilee-nilee> tay_, There is an app you can run that produces a diagnostic script and a thread to post in with people focused on this. AS of now just posting bits of info here is just spam.
[08:45] <tay_> Gotcha.
[08:45] <io__> anyone has experience with photo editing softwares?
[08:46] <bazhang> try shotwell io__
[08:47] <mdunc_> samu: that looks good. hmm…
[08:47] <Kartagis> anyone has experience converting a VirtualBox image file to KVM format?
[08:47] <samu> mdunc_: just to make it clear, this is what I see in /mnt/var/log right now
[08:47] <samu> syslog:May 27 19:13:50 ks206332 kernel: EXT4-fs (md1): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro
[08:47] <samu> and this is from yesterdays tests.
[08:47] <samu> when I tried to boot from the md1 raid.
[08:47] <Hyperiant> how can I get Ubuntu to recognize my NIC from the live CD if it isn't already?
[08:48] <samu> and here's the fstab: http://wklej.org/hash/88a1abd343e/
[08:48] <mdunc_> samu: what does your /mnt/etc/fstab line for your raid look like?
[08:48] <samu> mdunc_: heh, just thought of posting it above ;)
[08:49] <Hyperiant> all I want to do is diagnose my boot problems
[08:49] <Ben64> Hyperiant: pastebin "lspci" , or pastebin "lsusb" if its a usb nic
[08:49] <mdunc_> samu:  haha, i see it now :)
[08:49] <Hyperiant> what if the live CD isn't recognizing my keyboard?
[08:50] <Hyperiant> Ben64: How can I pastebin it if I have no network connection?
[08:50] <Ben64> Hyperiant: then look through it to find a network card
[08:50] <mdunc_> samu: try removing the errors=remount-ro
[08:50] <samu> mdunc_: yeah, but will this solve my problem?
[08:50] <samu> I mean, yeah, it won't remount it again...
[08:50] <samu> but it did for some reason.
[08:51] <samu> and that's what I'm worried about, what caused it to detect an error and remount in the first place.
[08:51] <Hyperiant> Ben64: Bridge: NVIDIA Corporation MCP61 Ethernet (rev a2)
[08:53] <Ben64> Hyperiant: does ifconfig show the adapter? does lsmod show "forcedeth" as loaded?
[08:54] <mdunc_> samu: then give this a try, add commit=5 to the fstab line
[08:55] <mdunc_> errors=remount-ro,relatime,commit=5
[08:55] <Hyperiant> Ben64: I don't know how to interpret all of this, but ifconfig shows an entry for eth0 and lsmod shows "forcedeth" with a 0 next to it
[08:55] <Ben64> Hyperiant: if eth0 is showing up, then it appears your card is indeed recognized
[08:56] <samu> mdunc_: how will that help?
[08:56] <samu> I will, but I'm just curious
 I'm currently planning to deploy Lubuntu onto the following setup: 2 USB drives, 8GB each, and 2 WD Green Drives, 2 TB each
 I intend to install Lubuntu's base OS onto the USB drives, then have the two 2TB drives as storage for my VMs (KVM virtualized)
 My question is would it be possible to set it up so that the 2 2TB drives are set up as mirrors of each other under software RAID except for a 8GB partition on each drive, both acting as swap space (essentially striped swap on each drive)?
[08:56] <mdunc_> samu: that has to do with how your filesystem syncs it’s data
 Or once I set software RAID on the two drives it consumes the entire drive?
[08:56] <Sachiru> Ah crud, wrong copy paste
[08:56] <Hyperiant> Ben64: that's weird...it isn't connecting to my network
[08:56] <Sachiru> But essentially yes, that's my question
[08:56] <Ben64> Hyperiant: maybe set a static ip or something
[08:57] <samu> mdunc_: ok, I'll try that ;)
[08:57] <mdunc_> samu: are you on a laptop?
[08:58] <adriandroid> anyone know how to build ios-debug-proxy on 14.04 , it was working it previous version but not now, is there a workaround?
[08:58] <samu> mdunc_: Me - yes, but I'm doing this on a remote server.
[08:58] <mdunc_> samu: ah, ok
[08:58] <samu> and, unfortunatelly, I don't have anything like ipmi/kvm
[08:58] <samu> so I did a bit of magic to see the virtual tty
[08:58] <darkreaper> hello please tell me how python scripting can be twisted and molded and be used as a network security agent
[08:58] <samu> ;-D
[08:58] <aeon-ltd> darkreaper: ##python
[08:59] <mdunc_> samu: i’m interested to see what the output of your mount command is after your system is booted from the hard drive
[08:59] <samu> sure, I'll check this in a minute, I have to do something else now
[08:59] <samu> I'll text you when I try this
[09:00] <mdunc_> samu: cool.  i’ll be around for a little bit.
[09:00] <darkreaper> python please
[09:01] <mdunc_> darkreaper: sounds like a homework question ;)  try #python
[09:02] <darkreaper> oh no its not
[09:02] <Hyperiant> Ben64: I just set a static IP and it still doesn't connect :/
[09:03] <Hyperiant> Ben64: rather, it's saying "connection established" but I can't access any web pages
[09:03] <Ben64> Hyperiant: try going to http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[09:03] <Hyperiant> Ben64: cannot establish a connection to the server
[09:04] <Ben64> then you either didn't set up the network properly, or some other problem is happening
[09:04] <Hyperiant> the router and the cable to the computer are all fine; they were working earlier today on my windows install
[09:05] <Ben64> i mean set up on the computer, need ip address to be in the right network, and probably need gateway too
[09:07] <Hyperiant> Ben64: the IP address is a valid, unused address, and both the netmask and gateway are correct as confirmed by the settings on my other machine
[09:07] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: can you post the output of ‘ip addr show’?
[09:08] <Hyperiant> mdunc_ eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP qlen 1000
[09:08] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: what about the lines following that?
[09:09] <Sachiru> Anyone?
[09:09] <Hyperiant> mdunc_: link/ether bc:5f:f2:71:01:1d brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff / inet <IP_ADDRESS>/24 brd <IP_ADDRESS> scope global eth0 / inet6 fe80::be5f:f4ff:fe71:11d/64 scope link / valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
[09:09] <Sachiru> Is it possible to set RAID 0 and RAID 1 software raid for two partitions on two disks (data and OS as Linux RAID1, SWAP as linux RAID0)?
[09:10] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: and how about the output of ‘route’?
[09:11] <Hyperiant> mdunc_: default <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS> UG 0 0 0 eth0 / <IP_ADDRESS> * <IP_ADDRESS> U 1 0 0 eth0 / link-local * <IP_ADDRESS> U 1000 0 0 eth0
[09:12] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: can you ‘ping <IP_ADDRESS>’?
[09:12] <corp> How can I download all songs of a Soundcloud profile? I know its possible in Linux, is there any command or script for this? There must be!
[09:13] <Hyperiant> mdunc_ destination host unreachable
[09:13] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: are you sure your router’s ip is <IP_ADDRESS>?
[09:13] <Hyperiant> mdunc_ http://puu.sh/94zl2/838c63ee3b.png pretty sure
[09:14] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: that screenshot is from a working windows install?
[09:14] <Hyperiant> mdunc_ yeah, it's what I'm connecting to IRC from
[09:14] <llutz> Hyperiant: "ethtool eth0|grep Link"
[09:15] <Hyperiant> llutz: program is currently not installed
[09:15] <llutz> Hyperiant: argh, my bad, *buntu comes without it
[09:16] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: try changing your subnet mask to <IP_ADDRESS>.  Maybe Windows is fixing this for you automatically.
[09:16] <arcsky> anyone here work with PCI-DSS? do you really need anti-virus program on your linux server which runs one network service only?
[09:17] <Hyperiant> mdunc_: replaced, it still says the host is unreachable :<
[09:18] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: out of curiosity, can you ping yourself (<IP_ADDRESS>)
[09:18] <mdunc_> ?
[09:18] <Hyperiant> mdunc_: yeah, I get the packets
[09:19] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: is there anything between you and your router?
[09:20] <Hyperiant> It's a direct LAN connection from the PC to the router port
[09:20] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: what model router?
[09:21] <Hyperiant> mdunc_ netgear wgr614v9
[09:22] <shunya_chakra> getting erro ffmpeg not installed
[09:22] <shunya_chakra> is it available in apt-get?
[09:23] <llutz> !info ffmpeg| shunya_chakra
[09:23] <llutz> !info ffmpeg  | shunya_chakra
[09:23] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: can your windows machine ping your router?
[09:23] <Hyperiant> mdunc_ yeah, it receives
[09:23] <llutz> shunya_chakra: try using avconv from libav-tools package
[09:24] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: ok, thanks.  that means your router isn’t blocking ping requests.
[09:24] <Hyperiant> mdunc_: I have the strangest proficiency for getting the weird problems.  this all started because I wanted to repair my windows mbr
[09:24] <shunya_chakra> llutz, is avconv will going to work... because it asking for ffmpeg
[09:26] <llutz> shunya_chakra: how would i know, without knowing what "it" is?
[09:27] <shunya_chakra> llutz, i'm installing pygame.. and it's showing ffmpeg is not installed
[09:28] <llutz> shunya_chakra: then i'd guess you need to find a ppa providing ffmpeg or a pygame version supporting libav
[09:29] <llutz> (sorry, i don't know what pygame is/does)
[09:30] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: sorry, i had to step away for a minute (I’m at work lol).
[09:30] <Hyperiant> oh, that's okay
[09:30] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: are there any other devices on your network?
[09:31] <Hyperiant> mdunc_: I have a multitude of printers and mobile phones also connected to the network
[09:31] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: can your windows machine ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[09:31] <Hyperiant> mdunc_ it says destination unreachable from there too
[09:32] <motz> hi, is there no way to see silverlight-videos on ubuntu?
[09:32] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: in your router’s ip configuration, try changing it’s subnet to <IP_ADDRESS>  (this really should be the correct subnet value for your network)
[09:33] <Hyperiant> won't that cause every device from the network to get kicked off?
[09:33] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: i don’t think so.  we can try other stuff first though.
[09:34] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: take a look at your network card.  the lights are on, right?
[09:34] <Hyperiant>  mdunc_: yeah, I can see the LED flashing out the back of the case
[09:35] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: most nics have two lights.  is this the case?
[09:35] <motz> hi, is there no way to see silverlight-videos on ubuntu?
[09:35] <_2_Alexis1423> :)
[09:35] <robin2> Hello motz, you can try installing mono, but i don't have much luck with it.
[09:36] <llutz> mdunc_: there is nothing wrong with using <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[09:36] <Hyperiant> mdunc_ it's just one light that I see flashing, and it's red (turned green when I tried unplugging and reinserting the cable)
[09:36] <robin2> Moste sites use Silverlight DRM (Digital Rights Management), an mono does not support that well.
[09:36] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: red is bad ;)
[09:37] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: try replacing the cable with a known good one
[09:37] <motz> robin2, what about pipelight?
[09:37] <Hyperiant> mdunc_ the router is 50 feet away; this is the only cable I have that'll reach, and it worked earlier today...
[09:37] <Hyperiant> mdunc_ heck, I can test the cable using my laptop's ethernet port
[09:38] <mdunc_> llutz: yeah, it should be fine, it’s just a class A network and those typically use <IP_ADDRESS>.
[09:38] <Hyperiant> mdunc_ classful networking has kind of fallen out of use lately
[09:38] <llutz> mdunc_: who uses classful netw today?
[09:39] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: i’ll admit, it’s been several years since i’ve been heavily involved with networking stuff.
[09:39] <robin2> motz: Don't know, did not try pipelight.
[09:41] <Viking667> I'm just finding out how easy it is to toast this version of Ubuntu
[09:41] <Viking667> can't believe it. Make some changes, using the Settings app, no less... next time I try logging in, things lock up for no percievable reason.
[09:41] <Hyperiant> mdunc_ eh?  I don't mind if it's not your field; I just want to fix my boot record ;_;
[09:42] <Hyperiant> mdunc_ or, rather, if it hasn't been your specialty for a while
[09:42] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: last time i did networking was when i was in the military (early 2000’s) and the military is already several years behind in tech.
[09:43] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: been doing system administration since.  anyway, how’s the cable?
[09:43] <Hyperiant> mdunc_ I hear even now they're still using Windows 2000
[09:43] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: in 2008, i was contracting for the USMC.  they were still using Windows NT.  fortunately, that’s been decommissioned.  they are mostly on 2003 now.
[09:44] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: Air Force is ahead of the USMC as far as tech goes.  Air Force was upgrading to 2008 when I quit contracting.  Not sure what the USMC is still using, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they still use 2000.
[09:45] <robin2> mdunc_: Nothing Wrong with Windows 2000. If you have compatible hardware. ;-)
[09:45] <NeedSupport> hello everyone i just installed latest ubuntu but it won't let me see flash player even if the non free restricted is installed codecs and says flash is installed can you help me ? i removed firefox to put chrome
[09:45] <Viking667> Chrome comes with its own flash player
[09:45] <mdunc_> robin2: and as long as you don’t attach it to the internet.
[09:45] <shean> hello room i need some information  :)   i am planning to migrate from windows to  ubuntu linux full time  is antivirus really needed in linux  ? :)
[09:45] <NeedSupport> i know but when i do the flash test with chrome it tells me i got install flash plugin pepper non free
[09:45] <NeedSupport> can you help?
[09:46] <Viking667> I can't help, but that sounds correct. What issue are you having?
[09:46] <Ben64> shean: not really
[09:46] <NeedSupport> it won't let me get flash
[09:46] <NeedSupport> but it says it's installed from restricted
[09:46] <Hyperiant> mdunc_ the cable appears to be providing solid internet connection to the laptop
[09:46] <NeedSupport> i'm new to linux so need help solve this issues
[09:46] <Ben64> NeedSupport: if you did the flash test and it worked... then it has flash
[09:46] <NeedSupport> it diden't work
[09:46] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: interesting.  light’s still red when you plug it in to your linux box?
[09:46] <NeedSupport> it tells me to install plugin
[09:47] <NeedSupport> when i go to flash site
[09:47] <NeedSupport> can i show you screenshot?
[09:47] <Viking667> hm. where did you go to check flash?
[09:47] <Ben64> NeedSupport: sure, go ahead
[09:47] <NeedSupport> adobe site
[09:47] <Hyperiant> mdunc_ yep, still shows red
[09:47] <Viking667> and, what version of chrome do you have installed?
[09:47] <NeedSupport> ok done where i upload it?
[09:47] <Viking667> for a picture?
[09:48] <Viking667> I use imgur
[09:48] <NeedSupport> yes for screenshot
[09:48] <Viking667> if you wish, you can go to imgur.com, and find out how to upload it there.
[09:48] <Viking667> I don't remember how to do it, and it's pretty late for me.
[09:48] <NeedSupport> http://s28.postimg.org/wz6wv36nh/Schermata_da_2014_05_28_11_47_32.png
[09:49] <Viking667> heh. That'll do. I'll check that.
[09:49] <NeedSupport> ok altough i got flash installed from restricted ubuntu says i basically don't have it adobe site says as i use chrome removed firefox
[09:49] <NeedSupport> thanks
[09:49] <Avi67> Hello everyone, is there any way out in ubuntu to  install the packages along with its dependencies offline?
[09:50] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: what’s the output of ‘mii-tool’
[09:50] <NeedSupport> did you get any idea of what it could be Viking667 ?
[09:50] <Hyperiant> mdunc_ SCIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed: Operation not supported / no MII interfaces found
[09:51] <NeedSupport> i was also curious to know if once i got 7zip if i also need ark?
[09:51] <Pablo|> what ubuntu beginners-tutorial do you recommend? (to read, not youtube)
[09:51] <Viking667> needsupport: I don't know. I don't know what formats ark supports
[09:51] <NeedSupport> ok so ill just keep 7zip
[09:52] <Viking667> check preferences
[09:52] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: ok, how about ‘lshw -class network’
[09:52] <NeedSupport> so Viking667  how can i solve my flash problem that even if i got it installed from restricted i don't have it with crome?
[09:53] <Viking667> oooo.... hang on. NeedSupport: feed this into your browser:   chrome://plugins
[09:53] <Hyperiant> mdunc_ returns nothing
[09:53] <NeedSupport> was the screenshot of any help?
[09:53] <NeedSupport> thanks
[09:53] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: that’s unusual.  are you running this as root?
[09:54] <Viking667> NeedSupport: it helps, but is strange.
[09:54] <Hyperiant> yeah; I ran it without root and it warned me that I should use root
[09:54] <NeedSupport> ok i got just remote desktop in it but i disabled it for security reasons
[09:54] <Hyperiant> so then I used root and I still got nothing
[09:54] <NeedSupport> nothing else in plugins
[09:54] <Viking667> Ah. You should have had Adobe Flash plugin.
[09:54] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: what about just ‘lshw’
[09:54] <NeedSupport> dont have that do you advise me to reinstall chrome?
[09:54] <Viking667> ... and some other plugins. Where did youinstall your Chrome?
[09:54] <NeedSupport> or what should i do?
[09:54] <Viking667> and, do you have Chromium instead of Google Chrome?
[09:54] <Hyperiant> mdunc_ returns a looot of stuff
[09:55] <NeedSupport> as i got just the remote destkop nothing there
[09:55] <NeedSupport> chromium yes
[09:55] <NeedSupport> the one in ubuntu i removed firefox
[09:55] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: anything related to your nic?
[09:55] <NeedSupport> and all it's component
[09:55] <Viking667> Ahhhhhh. That explains things a little better.
[09:55] <Viking667> I'll try something here.
[09:55] <Viking667> please wait.
[09:55] <NeedSupport> thanks :)
[09:55] <Pablo|> what ubuntu beginners-tutorial do you recommend? (to read, not youtube)
[09:56] <llutz> !manual | Pablo|
[09:56] <Hyperiant> mdunc_ *-bridge / description: Ethernet inferface / product: MCP61 Ethernet
[09:56] <Avi67> Please help, is there any way out in ubuntu to  install the packages along with its dependencies offline?
[09:56] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: bridge?  interesting.  is this a fresh install?
[09:56] <NeedSupport> do we need to disable zetigist in ubuntu or other stuff for security or everything is all ready safe apart the remote in chrome?
[09:56] <Pablo|> llutz, obuttu: THANKS
[09:56] <llutz> !offline | Avi67
[09:56] <Hyperiant> mdunc_ this is a live CD because my normal install has broken X
[09:57] <NeedSupport> !it
[09:57] <NeedSupport> do we need to disable zetigist in ubuntu or other stuff for security or everything is all ready safe apart the remote in chrome? anyone knows?
[09:57] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: in ‘ip addr show’, what devices are listed?  anything other than eth0 and lo?
[09:58] <Hyperiant> mdunc_ nope, just lo and eth0
[09:58] <Viking667> I don't honestly know, I'm sorry. I run locally only here. I haven't run remote desktops for a very very long time.
[09:58] <NeedSupport> i removed all the remote in ubuntu
[09:58] <NeedSupport> so should be safe now Viking667  and got remote disabled on chrome
[09:58] <NeedSupport> you got the idea you wanted to try or you advise me to reinstall chromium from software center where i got it from?
[09:59] <Kuro> hello, anyone knows if exist a process call .flush?
[09:59] <mdunc_> Hyperiant: nforce chipset?
[09:59] <Hyperiant> mdunc_ I'm not sure if it's nforce or not; I haven't needed to bother with installing its drivers before