[02:04] <nhaines> Hmm, I keep shaking the bot and all I get is this rattle.  :)
[02:05] <nhaines> All right, time for a meeting!
[02:05] <GeorgeM> Sorry, I made us late
[02:05] <Flannel> o/
[02:05] <nhaines> Welcome everyone to the Ubuntu California meeting for June!  We're going to keep things a bit simple tonight.
[02:06] <nhaines> Or informal, etc.  I'll figure out the new bots for next time (maybe!).
[02:06] <nhaines> Hi GeorgeM, hi Flannel.
[02:06] <nhaines> First of all, welcome to our new home on Libera Chat.
[02:06] <GeorgeM> Yeah!
[02:08] <nhaines> Anyone who wants some of the details on Freenode can find them.  Suffice to say that the Ubuntu IRC Council was concerned and voted for a proposal to leave, and when I read into it, I was concerned by the things the owner of Freenode Ltd. was saying, and as part of the Ubuntu Community Council, voted to ratify the IRC Council's advice.
[02:08] <nhaines> But we're here now and it should be smooth sailing.  The hard part is updating your IRC clients for the new network.  :)
[02:09] <GeorgeM> Yes, thanks for the help
[02:10] <nhaines> Nothing's really been happening for the past year, but we had a handy global pandemic to blame that on, so I hope everyone's been able to find time for an extra hobby or something and is well now that we're starting to pull out of the tail end.
[02:10] <nhaines> SCALE was our last major event, and that was postponed until 2022, so it's a little too early to start thinking about that (but we will be there!) and time to start thinking about local events again.
[02:11] <GeorgeM> Is it still going to happen?  SCaLE that is?
[02:11] <nhaines> I know that OCLUG is still hosting virtual meetings every month, and hopefully we'll get back to in-person meetings again soon.  I'm not sure what SGVLUG is up to.
[02:11] <nhaines> Yes, SCALE 19x will take place in March 2022.
[02:11] <GeorgeM> Cool, same place?
[02:11] <nhaines> Same as before!
[02:13] <Yasumoto> Howdy, folks!
[02:13] <nhaines> Hi Yasumoto!
[02:13] <GeorgeM> Hi Yasumoto!
[02:13] <Yasumoto> Call for presentations for SCaLE is October of this year too
[02:13] <nhaines> So start pretending to work on your slidedecks now!
[02:14] <GeorgeM> When does call for presentations happen?
[02:14] <Flannel> touch slides.txt; done!
[02:14] <nhaines> GeorgeM: this October.
[02:14] <nhaines> Flannel: +1
[02:14] <GeorgeM> Oh, OK.  Just saw that
[02:14] <nhaines> netlag!
[02:15] <GeorgeM> Are the presentations due in October?
[02:15] <nhaines> So we don't have any in-person events planned this year, but hopefully as Summer progresses that will have an opportunity to change.
[02:15] <nhaines> Speaking of, the Summer solstice was about 45 minutes ago, so happy official summer to everyone!  :)
[02:17] <nhaines> In the meantime, now that the entire country has been trained how to use Zoom and Google Meet, we might be able to hold some sort of online webinar or other event on Ubuntu stuff.
[02:17] <Flannel> GeorgeM: In 2019, CFP opened in September and closed at the end of November.  So I expect they'll be open for a few months (but that's still just the abstract/proposal)
[02:17] <nhaines> I know some of the UbuCons have been planning virtual events, but I'm a little out of the loop on that.  UbuCon Asia seemed like they were pretty organized.
[02:18] <GeorgeM> OK, thank you
[02:18] <nhaines> Other than that, I'm happy so many people made it over to the Libera Chat IRC network, and it's good to see some familiar faces tonight.
[02:18] <nhaines> Unfortunately, that makes us old-timers, but I've been called worse.  ;)
[02:20] <Yasumoto> Just means lots of great experience to share! :-D
[02:21] <nhaines> Since last year I've been elected to the Ubuntu Community Council where we are trying to get sticky gears to turn again, and personally I've been doing some fun stuff with Nextcloud on top of Ubuntu server for the small press that I run.
[02:21] <nhaines> Oh, and I have a Sea-Monkey tank that has been suspiciously more resiliant than the ones I had when I was a preteen.
[02:21] <GeorgeM> That will be good to share
[02:21] <nhaines> Anyone else up to anything fun lately?
[02:21] <GeorgeM> Is there any idea what the topics will be for SCaLE yet?
[02:22] <GeorgeM> I just procured a Rasberry PI 3
[02:22] <nhaines> I don't think SCALE determines that until after the call for papers closes.
[02:23] <GeorgeM> How do I ascertain what to talk about?
[02:23] <Flannel> We should know the tracks (because you have to select one when filling out the application), but I expect they'll be similar to previous years...
[02:24] <nhaines> Just think of something that interests you and pitch it.  That's always my method.
[02:24] <GeorgeM> You are probably correct.  It feels like forever
[02:24] <GeorgeM> Is there going to be an Ubucon?
[02:25] <nhaines> I'll have to get in touch with Richard Gaskin and hear what he thinks, but I would like to have one if there is enough interest.
[02:25] <GeorgeM> I still have the monitor set-up
[02:25] <nhaines> Luckily, Canonical have hired two amazing Ubuntu Community Team members to help out, so we ought to have some great support if we do.
[02:26] <GeorgeM> Wow, that is great
[02:26] <nhaines> I *do* plan to have an Ubuntu booth, so we'll have to take a look at what's going on this year and what Ubuntu 22.04 LTS is looking like by then.
[02:26] <Yasumoto> nhaines: have you posted any pics of the sea monkeys??
[02:27] <GeorgeM> Sea monkeys?
[02:27] <nhaines> Yasumoto: I haven't, although there are two adults who are massive right now, so I should probably grab my DSLR and revive the tradition!
[02:27] <nhaines> GeorgeM: They're brine shrimp.  Ever so slightly more exciting pets than fish.
[02:27] <Flannel> Two steps above a flea circus
[02:27] <nhaines> Excatly!
[02:28] <nhaines> Speaking of LTSes, here's a good announcement.  Everyone gets a free personal, 3-computer license for Ubuntu Advantage.
[02:28] <nhaines> Official Ubuntu members get a 50-computer license!
[02:28] <nhaines> What this means is that you get free access to Canonical's LivePatch service that keeps your kernel up to date.
[02:28] <GeorgeM> That is really nice
[02:29] <nhaines> You also get Extended Security Maintenance support for supported Ubuntu releases.  Right now that's Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, and Ubuntu 16.04 LTS.  That way you can keep those ancient servers chugging along with slightly less peril!
[02:29] <GeorgeM> That is a nice incentive
[02:30] <nhaines> You also get free Landscape access to be able to monitor and administer your systems remotely.  This is an excellent way to keep track of your servers or VPS instances in one place.
[02:30] <GeorgeM> Nice
[02:31] <nhaines> Plus we made the Ubuntu Community Team harass the Ubuntu Advantage guys until they were able to define exactly what was included and what their terms mean, so now you can get comprehensive information here: https://ubuntu.com/advantage
[02:32] <nhaines> Your free membership is the Ubuntu Advantage Essential tier, so it's a pretty nice package.
[02:33] <GeorgeM> Are there any discounts for phone support?
[02:34] <GeorgeM> Such as 24/5?
[02:34] <nhaines> Anyway, if you *really* need Unity 7 on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, here's your chance for another five years.
[02:35] <nhaines> I think once you're using Ubuntu Advantage at enterprise scale, you're subject to the minimum unit numbers and the standard prices.  No phone or ticket support for the the free UA Essential tier.
[02:36] <GeorgeM> The page is nicely organized and easy to understand.  Thank you
[02:37] <nhaines> Glad to hear it!  It took some time to get the Ubuntu Advantage team to gather everything up and launch new, improved pages, but they were eager to do it, so everyone was happy.
[02:39] <nhaines> Was anyone else up to anything interesting lately?
[02:40] <Yasumoto> I've finally had time to catch back up on some of the great things the community's been up to; I'm impressed I didn't need to visit an install fest to get dual booted this time!
[02:40] <Yasumoto> Picked up a meerkat from System76 too; can't believe how small this thing is :-D
[02:40] <Yasumoto> (and looking forward to a few photos, nhaines !)
[02:41] <Yasumoto> I'm also finally cleaning up my various webhosts, so after I consolidate I should be around again
[02:41] <Yasumoto> It's been... 5+ years, I think?
[02:41] <GeorgeM> I have something similar from TierraTek
[02:41] <GeorgeM> Cool
[02:41] <nhaines> Ooh, nice!  Someone gifted me an older Dell XPS 13, so although I'm sure I can add some sort of magic Dell repository, it's running Ubuntu 20.04 LTS pretty much flawlessly.
[02:42] <nhaines> Yasumoto: Meerkats are pretty awesome.  I wish I had one but in real life there's nothing I would do with it that a Raspberry Pi 4 can't do and with a much smaller footprint.  :)
[02:43] <nhaines> I really want a Raspberry Pi 4000, but fortunately my lack of need for one has kept me from buying one *just* yet.  Plus my keyboard needs are too premium.  But it's such a cute system!
[02:43] <nhaines> Yasumoto: it'll be good to have you around again!
[02:44] <Yasumoto> heh, I also picked up a rapberry pi 400... it's what I'm connected on now! :-P
[02:44] <Yasumoto> Yah! I'm looking forward to catching up!
[02:44] <nhaines> Oh, is it a 400?  Well then I'm holding out for a 4000.
[02:45] <nhaines> Plus I think Micro Center just got the Atari VCS systems in this week.  So basically I just have to stay away from Micro Center and I'll be fine.
[02:46] <GeorgeM> Good luck on that!  I get sucked in there every time I drive by MicroCenter!  LOL
[02:48] <Yasumoto> oh sick, that looks awesome
[02:48] <Flannel> Yeah... not so happy you told me about this, nhaines.
[02:48] <nhaines> I'm just surprised it's finally here.  The Kickstarter was like... 15 years ago?
[02:50] <nhaines> Anyway, it runs Linux!  So I'm sure it'll be fun.  Unfortunately I have a nice, beefy desktop system I built last year, so it'll have to wait.  :)
[02:51] <GeorgeM> As someone who manufactures this stuff, it takes years.
[02:51] <nhaines> Oh, the screenshot shows a UEFI boot starting up Ubuntu.  So that's an exciting new development.  Well, even better.
[02:53] <GeorgeM> I saw that!
[02:54] <GeorgeM> What are the 100 classic games?  I saw pong....
[02:56] <nhaines> Just Atari 2600 games.  I assume Combat is in there.  Probably not Spider Fighter or E.T., though.
[02:56] <Flannel> No, apparently it's a handful of arcade games, and then 2600 games for the rest.
[02:57] <Flannel> But I guess depending on which article you read, that changes.
[02:59] <nhaines> Yeah, it's always been pretty vague.
[03:07] <nhaines> Well, I suppose this is a fine place to wrap up the meeting!  We'll do it again next month.  July 18th.
[03:07] <nhaines> Thanks for coming!
[03:08] <GeorgeM> Thank you Nathan.
[03:13] <Yasumoto> woo! thanks for hosting, nhaines
[03:14] <GeorgeM> Great to "meet you" Yasaumoto
[03:16] <Yasumoto> back atcha!
[03:16] <GeorgeM> :-)
[03:18] <nhaines> Welcome.  :)
[04:18] <aidian> Yasumoto: the meerkat is a nice little beast, isn't it? it's really just a re-badged intel nuc, but that's pretty ok with me, small, quiet, thermally stable, power efficient, and still very capable for all that
[04:18] <aidian> also pretty reasonably priced, although the options get expensive quick
[04:21] <george90> My company, TierraTek, sells something similar--If I can interrups?
[04:21] <george90> interrupt
[04:21] <Yasumoto> aidian: yah! exactly
[04:21] <george90> https://www.tierratek.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=7249&idcategory=0
[04:21] <Yasumoto> george90: oh, really? have a link?
[04:21] <george90> It's made by jetway
[04:22] <aidian> i'm hoping that some more ryzen-based competitors start happening
[04:22] <george90> Do you mind if I ask why?
[04:23] <Yasumoto> awesome
[04:23] <aidian> err, because amd chips are currently eating intel's lunch and going back for seconds?
[04:24] <george90> Good reason!
[04:24] <aidian> :D
[04:25] <george90> ASRock has one....
[04:25] <george90> https://www.anandtech.com/show/16236/asrock-4x4-box4800u-renoir-nuc-review
[04:25] <aidian> so does simplynuc, they released the "ruby" not long ago
[04:25] <aidian> https://simplynuc.com/ruby/
[04:26] <george90> Yes, I saw that
[04:26] <aidian> the asrock looks pretty nice too, though
[04:27] <george90> Simply NUC is beautiful.  4 displays  But expensive?
[04:28] <aidian> yeah, the top end one is a bit spendy, and like the intel nucs, adding on to the base build also gets expensive pretty quickly
[04:28] <aidian> but then again, i paid out the nose for a kitted out meerkat too
[04:29] <nhaines> I'm not looking forward to moving to 4K displays, but on the other hand, I'm going to finally just buy two at the same time so that my height/color balance tweaking time drops to zero.
[04:29] <nhaines> Maybe that's what I should do.  Buy a ColorBug.
[04:29] <george90> I wonder how the cooling is.  We have to be careful that the units stay cool
[04:32] <aidian> an i7 meerkat w/1tb nvme, 32gb ram... phew. $1500 after tax
[04:36] <george90> Same as a desktop?
[04:37] <aidian> pretty much, yeah
[04:37] <george90> nhaines: Are you talking about the software colorbug?
[04:38] <nhaines> george90: I am not!  So maybe it is called something else, lol.
[04:38] <george90> what does it do?
[04:43] <nhaines> I mean tthe ColorHug, but it doesn't like those are available anymore, so that's annoying.
[04:44] <nhaines> It was a hardware color calibration device, to create a calibrated color profile for your monitors.


[08:26] <somsip> we have a couple of reports in #ubuntu of religious spam from YoLtA. Just thought I'd flag it
[08:26] <k1l> somsip: thanks, i will take a look
[08:26] <somsip> in private messages
[08:26] <somsip> k
[08:33] <DJones> I just joined but its not onjoin/seeing somebody asking a question spam
[08:34] <Unit193> Alt nick just hit it.
[08:35] <k1l> i see 2 reports from Togusa and thom_r
[08:36] <k1l> Unit193: you got spam, too?
[08:36] <Unit193> I wasn't talking to them or at all, but just got the PMs.
[08:37] <DJones> I only see the two comment from Togusa and thom_r , I've not seen any spam
[08:37] <k1l> there is already a bantracker to that nick and similar ip for pm spam
[08:37] <Unit193> http://0bin.net/paste/UgbS7I-9ZseCUGNU#iUwevv5gNxI+xGOymuCKJ6AWIdugeYd9iSHt8QjxCq0= didn't paste well, but...
[10:46] <k1l> FnorZ is the user Cornholio aka alteregoa aka Fnordistus. should be plenty in the bantracker about him
[11:55] <DJones> Looks like we've got a botnet/troll net joining #ubuntu
[11:56] <DJones> Initially using root as the nick
[11:58] <DJones> I can see 3 users @<IP_ADDRESS> @<IP_ADDRESS> @li463-207.members.linode.com
[11:59] <DJones> All set as +q
[12:05]  * Myrtti raises an eyebrow
[15:41] <popey> we've had some spammer join some of the ubuntu channels from<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[15:42] <Myrtti> how long ago?
[15:42] <Myrtti> before or after :35?
[15:43] <popey> 23
[15:43] <Myrtti> yeah, should be gone
[15:43] <popey> cool
[15:43] <popey> ♥
[15:43] <Myrtti> np, I saw it myself on a few channels
[22:37] <k1l_> IRCChatInfo<EMAIL_ADDRESS>  giving spam links
[22:37] <k1l_> @mark #ubuntu IRCChatInfo spam links
[22:59] <genii> Seems a bunch of them around lately
[22:59] <genii> k1l_: Is it that adf.ly crap again?
[23:00] <k1l_> it was p.pw and after the add redirected to wikipedia irc site
[23:00] <k1l_> i think that is the new irc: spam ad links and ask for cgminer to run :X
[23:00] <genii> Ah, OK.
[23:21] <ss_haze> please unban me from #ubuntu
[23:33] <k1l_> ss_haze: i dont see your ban to be removed right now. you had _a lot_ of warnings, kicks, bans and ban-evasions. so i dont see you actually will stick to the guidelines in the long run just because you have a support issue right now.
[23:34] <k1l_> ss_haze: try a new start and stick to the rules on ubuntuforums or askubuntu. they provide good support there, too
[23:35] <ss_haze> I am very sorry,  I would like to see all my misdoings emailed me at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>, if it's possible.
[23:37] <k1l_> ss_haze: i suggest you make an apeal at the ircc. but i would strongly suggest to let some time go by and show you are not trying to break the bans on your own.
[23:37] <k1l_> !appeal | ss_haze
[23:37] <ss_haze> I'm feeling like I'm banned from this world sometimes
[23:38] <ss_haze> I'm going to sleep to see jesus
[23:38] <ss_haze> later
[23:42] <k1l_> ss_haze: please dont idle in here.
[23:55] <IdleOne> !logs | ss_haze Please feel free to look for all your removals and bans.


[02:25] <chelz> are there any sites besides launchpad.net based off of or using the launchpad code?
[05:10] <beuno> chelz, not that I'm aware of
[05:11] <beuno> some of the lazr componenets are more widely used
[05:11] <beuno> but that's all I know
[05:16] <chelz> beuno: thanks.
[05:17] <chelz> is there a goal for launchpad.net to integrate with sites using the code, if those sites want to, through some kind of data sharing system?
[05:18] <chelz> i remember mark shuttleworth talking about how open sourcing it is tricky because a bunch of separate launchpads wouldn't help. so i was curious what methods of mitigating that were explored, including sharing data among sites to integrate them
[05:18] <beuno> chelz, there's been a lot of talk, syndicated launchpads, but it's all been theory up to now, so no real plans in place now
[05:21] <chelz> ah alright. aha "syndicated launchpads". good to know what it's being called.
[05:22] <chelz> laconica setup their own XMPP but google is pushing that wave protocol thing these days, so it would be interesting to see which best fits launchpad's needs
[22:09] <sirpengi> is it normal for the initial bzr branch to get stuck at "Fetching revisions:Inserting missing keys:" for a long time?


[13:43] <xTEMPLARx> I'm only like 16 hours late, but what of this browser discussion?  any truth to the rumors that microsoft is going to discontinue IE finally?
[13:50] <bwmaker> Good morning, folks.
[15:27] <xTEMPLARx> morning morning
[15:45]  * bwmaker waves hello.
[19:53] <Unit193> xTEMPLARx: You didn't read the rest of it did you?  They're starting over, new rendering engine too.  I'd link you, but I no longer have any idea where I read it. :3
[19:59] <Unit193> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/03/windows-10-to-make-the-secure-boot-alt-os-lock-out-a-reality/


[19:56] <sergiusens> wgrant: hey, according to oSoMoN, this https://code.launchpad.net/builders/lgw01-amd64-041 is stuck (the log got stuck there for a while). I would like to know if it is possible to retrieve logs to figure out what is going on as the previous runs are log-less
[21:03] <hloeung> wgrant, cjwatson: ^ looks like a hung build. I was going to stab it but thought I'd leave it for you guys in case you want to investigate
[21:13] <wgrant> hloeung: is the instance sshable ATM?
[21:14] <hloeung> wgrant: not sure, haven't checked. Maybe best to take it up with the VG on duty :)
[21:20] <wgrant> Ah