[01:20] <Sonja> hi
[03:40] <lsmagalhaes> hello everybody
[03:41] <lsmagalhaes> I'm using Ubuntu 12.04 beta
[03:42] <lsmagalhaes> and last time that I ran apt-get upgrade the flash-plugin crashed.
[03:49] <ScottK> lsmagalhaes: When was that?
[03:50] <lsmagalhaes> today, at afternoon.
[03:52] <ScottK> There were a number of fixes for it done yesterday.
[10:45] <geser> infinity: are you aware of the dependency loop between libomxil-bellagio0 and libomxil-bellagio-bin when you fixed bug #921523?
[10:46] <infinity> geser: Sure, can you show me where it causes a problem in practice?
[10:46] <infinity> geser: Dependency loops aren't disallowed, only discouraged (since the tools need to arbitrarily break the loop).
[10:47] <infinity> geser: It does guarantee that higher level tools feed both packages to dpkg in the same run, which give the desired result in this case.
[10:48] <geser> ok then, I remember to avoid dependency loops when possible
[10:48] <infinity> And well you should.
[10:48] <infinity> Libraries calling stuff from lib*-bin in their postinsts are probably broken. :P
[10:49] <geser> is this dependency loop safer at this moment instead of a "sync" with Debian? (merge -bin into the library)
[10:49] <infinity> (Though libc6 is another offender here, and the only reason it doesn't have a loop is because libc-bin incorrectly doesn't have a dep on libc)
[10:50] <infinity> geser: Well, it would be safe to do that right up until someone decides to multiarch the package.
[10:50] <infinity> geser: But there's nothing inherently unsafe about dep loops, they just make resolvers work harder and break more often.  For something as leaf-ish as libomxil-bellagio, I doubt it'll cause an issue.
[10:51] <infinity> (Basically, a dep loop means that higher level tools MUST pass both packages to dpkg in the same run, which means if there are a bunch of rdeps, they often also end up in the same run, which hurts resolvers' brains)
[10:52] <infinity> Given the nearly nonexistant rdep list for libomxil-bellagio0, I have a hard time seeing the above as a particularly scary problem.
[10:53] <geser> but in the long run it should be fixed properly, right? (without a dep loop)
[10:53] <infinity> In the long run, someone needs to examine if the library really needs to be calling that binary in its postinst.
[10:53] <infinity> If it does, the loops is unavoidable, really.
[10:53] <infinity> (see: libc and libc-bin)
[10:54] <infinity> It's not an ideal situation, but it happens sometimes.
[10:54] <infinity> If they're always found together, and produced from the same source, the dep loop isn't really catastrophic.
[10:56] <infinity> I could artificially break the loop by making the -bin incorrectly not depend on the lib (like the libc case), but that's both silly and unnecessary.
[10:58] <geser> thanks for the explanation
[10:59] <infinity> Anyhow, policy doesn't forbid loops, it just strongly suggests against them because it makes resolving and unpacking somewhat difficult.
[10:59] <infinity> In the case of libomxil-bellagio, the loop-breaking is actually deterministic.
[11:00] <infinity> "If one of the packages in the loop has no postinst script, then the cycle will be broken at that package; this ensures that all postinst scripts are run with their dependencies properly configured if this is possible."
[11:00] <infinity> ^-- Since the library has a postinst, but the -bin doesn't, then we get "lib/bin unpacked in arbitrary order, bin configure, lib configured".
[12:59] <Laney> infinity: geser: I'm not sure it is actually necessary to call the binary on configure. From its man page: "By default, this will create a file named .omxregister under the home XDG data directory with all the components found in ${lib-dir}/libomxil-bellagio0.", yet this directory is empty in libomxil-bellagio0.
[13:09] <Laney> Hm, you still need the Depends for the trigger though.
[13:14] <nelson777br> hello, I'm having some trouble finding resources about how to integrate my application to Unity. I thought I would only create a .desktop file in /usr/share/app-install/desktop. But it's not working. I create the file and it doesn't appear in unity search. I do I make unity recognize my application ?
[13:16] <nelson777br> I also counldn't find any docs about this in developer.ubuntu.com. If anyone knows about some documentation about this subject I would appreciate it. Thnx
[14:28] <krnekhelesh> hi, I have a question regarding patches
[14:29] <krnekhelesh> I have the command bzr diff -r 191..190 | bzr patch
[14:29] <krnekhelesh> but bzr complains it does not recognize patch
[14:29] <krnekhelesh> anyone know how to solve this??
[14:29] <krnekhelesh> I took the info from http://mhall119.com/2012/03/contributing-to-unity-for-non-developers-package-patching/
[14:33] <jelmer> krnekhelesh: bzr patch is a part of the bzrtools plugin
[14:35] <krnekhelesh> jelmer: what is the package name?
[14:35] <jelmer> krnekhelesh: bzrtools
[14:37] <krnekhelesh> thnx
[14:45] <nik90> I branched totem, made my changes, converted it into a patch in debian/patches folder and in the series file
[14:45] <nik90> after reverting back using  bzr diff -r 191..190 | bzr patch, which works
[14:46] <nik90> I try quilt push -a
[14:46] <nik90> but I do not get the output
[14:47] <nik90> I get the output File series fully applied, ends at patch 03_default_options.patch
[14:47] <nik90> but then my patch name was add_keywords.patch
[14:47] <nik90> hwo do I fix this?
[14:48] <nik90> jelmer, do you know?
[15:12] <nik90> anybody
[15:12] <nik90> ?
[15:14] <mhall119> nik90: did you add your patch to the series file
[15:14] <mhall119> ?
[15:14] <mhall119> echo add_keywords.patch >> debian/patches/series
[15:15] <nik90> yes
[15:15] <mhall119> cat debian/patches/series
[15:15] <nik90> when I do that I see my patch included
[15:16] <mhall119> nik90: cat debian/source/format
[15:16] <nik90> 3.0 (quilt)
[15:16] <nik90> the same as in your blog post
[15:17] <mhall119> huh
[15:17] <mhall119> nik90: run "quilt applied"
[15:18] <nik90> mhall119, it shows 3 other patches except my patch
[15:18] <mhall119> nik90: now try "quilt unapplied"
[15:18] <nik90> File series fully applied, ends at patch 03_default_options.patch
[15:19] <mhall119> huh...
[15:19] <mhall119> and you have add_keywords.patch in debian/patches/ ?
[15:19] <nik90> that's wierd, because in my debian/patches folder I see the add_keywords.patch file
[15:19] <nik90> yes
[15:19] <mhall119> try "quilt series"
[15:20] <nik90> no output
[15:20] <mhall119> oh, hang on...
[15:21] <mhall119> nik90: run "echo $QUILT_PATCHES"
[15:21] <nik90> a blank line output
[15:21] <mhall119> export QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches
[15:22] <mhall119> then try "quilt series" and "quilt unapplied" again
[15:22] <nik90> quit series gives the following output 00_create_m4_folder.patch
[15:22] <nik90> 02_lpi.patch
[15:22] <nik90> 03_default_options.patch
[15:22] <nik90> add_keywords.patch
[15:23] <nik90> quilt unapplied shows only my patch
[15:23] <mhall119> ah ha, that did the trick
[15:23] <mhall119> now quilt push -a should apply it
[15:23] <nik90> yup it does now :)
[15:23] <mhall119> nik90: copy http://paste.ubuntu.com/920422/ into ~/.quiltrc
[15:24] <mhall119> someone here gave me that, seb I think, but it works
[15:25] <nik90> so do I have to run  export QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches everytime i restart>
[15:25] <nik90> or does the new .quiltrc fix that
[15:26] <mhall119> I think quilt will run the quilt.rc every time
[15:26] <mhall119> quiltrc
[15:27] <nik90> oh good...thnx for your help
[15:29] <mhall119> np, thanks for the contributions :)
[15:48] <nik90> mhall119, https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu/precise/totem/add_keywords_new/+merge/101209
[15:49] <nik90> if you look at diff it added .pc/ since it was from your blog post...does the diff look normal?
[15:53] <mhall119> nik90: are there any other files in .pc?
[15:54] <mhall119> I *think* this is okay,  but I'm not 100% sure
[15:54] <nik90> yes there are more file in .pc
[15:54] <nik90> I guess other patches made by other users
[15:55] <mhall119> but those weren't added to bzr?
[15:55] <nik90> no...but I guess that because I did not create or modify those files
[15:55] <mhall119> hmmm, my feeling is that it should probably be all or none, but I'm not sure which is more correct
[15:56] <nik90> the other files include other patch folders which was there when I branched the latest
[15:56] <mhall119> and it being not only a weekend, but a holiday today, there's not likely anybody around who can give a definitive answer
[15:57] <nik90> I have anyway proposed a merge...so will what happens tomorrow or the day after
[15:57] <mhall119> nik90: try asking in here tomorrow, someone should be around to help then
[15:57] <nik90> mhall119, yeah I will do that
[19:30] <tumbleweed> jdstrand: poke re bug 967195


[00:05] <penguin42> madsailor: Yes I think that's a well known one, just hang on a sec
[00:05] <penguin42> bug 868628
[00:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 868628 in linux (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 1 other project) "Oneiric update to 3.0.6 (3.0.0-13.20) stable release (affects: 29) (dups: 9) (heat: 114)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/868628
[00:06] <penguin42> hmm
[00:07] <penguin42> madsailor: Have you done an update yet ?
[00:07] <madsailor> just a min...let me check
[00:08] <madsailor> I have done updates.  there are 9 more recommended pending, but none relate to the kernel.  I will update them as well just for fun
[00:09] <penguin42> madsailor: OK, I think this is the same as bug 844957
[00:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 844957 in debian (and 2 other projects) "Safely removing external (usb) hdd's can cause a kernel panic or system freeze (dup-of: 868628)" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/844957
[00:09] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 868628 in linux (Ubuntu Oneiric) (and 1 other project) "Oneiric update to 3.0.6 (3.0.0-13.20) stable release (affects: 29) (dups: 9) (heat: 114)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/868628
[00:09] <penguin42> madsailor: And is waiting for the bug fix kernel to be released; I think it's in the onieirc-proposed repo so you could test it to make sure
[00:12] <madsailor> how would I go about doing that?
[00:14] <madsailor> I guess a better question is: what is the line to add to software sources for oneric-proposed, and what packages would be relevant to the issue?
[00:14] <penguin42> madsailor: Go into software sources, then the 'updates' tab and select Pre-released updates - now they aren't in for a reason - they're still being tested, so be careful
[00:15] <penguin42> madsailor: Just the kernel I think
[00:16] <madsailor> if I have problems with the kernel update, can I revert (Easily)?
[00:17] <penguin42> I think you should find that on the grub boot menu you will have the previous kernel as well, make sure you know how to get to that - if not it might be just best to sit back and wait a few days for the update to be released
[00:19] <madsailor> I dual-boot, so I see grub every boot-cycle.  I think I might be a bit less adventurous, however, and wait for the update to be released.  I just wondered if I could help with the issue, but it seems that a fix is already well underway.
[00:19] <madsailor> Thanks for the help penguin42
[00:19] <penguin42> no problem
[00:19] <penguin42> madsailor: Thanks for trying to report it - it's a common one that a lot of people are seeing though
[00:21] <madsailor> penguin42,  while I'm at it I have been unable to mount nfs shares in oneiric that worked fine in natty
[00:21] <penguin42> hmm not sure about that
[00:22] <madsailor> I'm sure the shares are fine, because other boxes on the network connect fine
[00:22]  * madsailor is searching for a matching issue on the bugtracker
[00:28] <madsailor> I don't see anything that matches my issue.  I run a standard command: sudo mount -t nfs <IP_ADDRESS>:/mnt/user/Movies ~/Mounts/Movies
[00:28] <penguin42> and how does it error?
[00:28] <madsailor> and mount returns "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on" ...
[00:29] <penguin42> I'd check you still have all the NFS client packages in
[00:30] <madsailor> ahh, yes.
[00:30]  * madsailor checking
[00:32] <penguin42> right, time to go
[00:33] <madsailor> ok.  thanks for the help.  i think that's the issue...I just thought Ubuntu installed the nfs package out of the box
[02:28] <greg-g> madsailor: was that the issue? (the lack of nfs packages installed?)
[03:51] <somethinginteres> hi all, my almost fresh install of 11.10 is locking up. I can't work out a cause. What can I do to submit a bug report on the issue?
[03:57] <madsailor> greg-g, yes, that was the issue.  Sorry for not reporting back on that one
[04:02] <cprofitt> bdmurray: ping
[04:56] <greg-g> madsailor: no worries, just making sure :)
[11:43] <kanha> hey my ubuntu is not getting loaded its saying unable to mount /var/run
[12:31] <trijntje> Hi all, bug 870560 has been marked as a duplicate of a bug that has seen less activity and was reported later. Is it OK if I reverse this or should I leave it alone?
[12:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 870560 in jockey (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "installing fglrx (post-release updates) fails (dup-of: 873058)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/870560
[12:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 873058 in nvidia-common (Ubuntu) "Jockey fail to install binary ati driver (post release) version (affects: 34) (dups: 2) (heat: 60)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873058
[12:32] <penguin42> hang on, why's a bug about ati driver in nvidia-common
[12:45] <trijntje> penguin42: the bug I posted? It looks like it occurs on multiple cards
[13:06] <penguin42> trijntje: But it's onl yin nvidia-common?
[13:07] <trijntje> penguin42: no, I have an ati card myself, and I'm also having that bug
[13:07] <penguin42> yeh, but that's what I mean the bug is filed against nvidia-common and I wondered why
[13:12] <trijntje> probably because the person who submitted it thinks its nvidia related
[16:29] <cprofitt> charlie-tca: ping
[16:30] <cprofitt> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-bug-involvement
[16:30] <cprofitt> what do you think?
[16:34] <penguin42> cprofitt: I wonder if the bugs that are badly reported come from those people who would go to user days and jams
[16:35] <pleia2> penguin42: was there a problem with the user days session on bugs in january?
[16:35]  * penguin42 didn't know about them
[16:36] <pleia2> hm
[16:36] <pleia2> so what did you mean?
[16:37] <pleia2> if they're something being said during the user days bug session that's a problem it would be good to fix it :)
[16:37] <penguin42> pleia2: cproffit's argument seems to be that if we train people at these things there will be a lot less bad bugs - may be true, but I wonder if a lot of the people who submit bad bugs just don't know about a lot of these things; they've just picked up a CD and installed
[16:39] <pleia2> ah, so it wasn't specifically a problem with sessions at user days (indeed, maybe more good bug sessions can actually help?)
[16:39] <pleia2> more of a problem with the people being new and encouraged to file bugs
[16:39] <penguin42> pleia2: Correct, I wasn't saying there was anything wrong with the bug days
[16:40] <charlie-tca> cprofitt: I subscribed. I think we should expand the whiteboard more, and put specifics down for discussion.
[16:40] <pleia2> charlie-tca: will you be at UDS?
[16:40] <charlie-tca> yes
[16:40] <pleia2> great
[16:40] <charlie-tca> I will be there.
[16:41] <cprofitt> charlie-tca: I agree -- please feel free to add more
[16:41] <charlie-tca> but it is going to be a busy week, with leadership stuff, community stuff, dinner, etc. Looks like they are trying to fill all my time this time around.
[16:41] <cprofitt> I have been struggling to put my thoughts about it in to words
[16:42] <cprofitt> ooh... dinner
[16:42] <cprofitt> nice
[16:42] <charlie-tca> cprofitt: I will add some to it, later this week.
[16:42] <charlie-tca> We also have a session to discuss bug-squad mentorship program aagain
[16:43] <cprofitt> charlie-tca: yes, I subscribed to that
[16:43] <charlie-tca> good, I am out of ideas on how to make that work now
[16:44] <cprofitt> I also emailed bdrung
[16:44] <cprofitt> bdmurray:
[16:44] <cprofitt> sorry not the other bd
[16:45] <charlie-tca> heh
[16:45] <charlie-tca> tab-complete is so handy ;)
[16:45] <cprofitt> yep.
[17:52] <penguin42> yofel: Ping (or any other KDE user)
[17:53] <penguin42> ah, it's bug 856210
[17:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 856210 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Horizontal Scrollbar in kde dont work (default theme) (affects: 6) (heat: 39)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/856210
[18:00] <bil21al> is any body having the issue of keyboard frezing?
[18:01] <penguin42> bil21al: I haven't but I read one bug report about it; what type of keyboard - PS/2 or USB, and does it freze for ever or just for a few seconds?
[18:01] <bil21al> it freez for some sec if i wait for a moment than it again works
[18:01] <bil21al> which bug?
[18:01] <penguin42> hmm that's not the bug I saw
[18:02] <bil21al> than whts the way i chose to overcome it?
[18:02] <penguin42> it's difficult without knowing why it's happening - PS/2 or USB?
[18:03] <bil21al> i have laptop.IBM t 60
[18:04] <yofel> penguin42: I know that one, but had other things to look at
[18:04] <penguin42> yofel: It's a nasty one; still - easy work around from that report
[18:05] <bil21al> yofel and penguin42 please help! its irrating me alot
[18:05] <penguin42> bil21al: I don't know why your machine is freezing!
[18:05] <yofel> another workaround would be using the middle mouse button, that work, just not the left one
[18:05] <yofel> *that works
[18:05] <penguin42> bil21al: You need to see what else happens during the freeze; does the mouse still work? Is there anything in the log?
[18:05] <bil21al> yes mouse works
[18:06] <penguin42> yofel: The scrolling with the scrollwheel is painful, it over scrolls slowly; nuking libreoffice-kde is the easiest fix
[18:06] <bil21al> with the freez
[18:07] <bil21al> is there any way to reset the key board like there is away to reset the unity ?
[18:07] <bil21al> its not a hardware problem and it hapened today with me i have not run any update or any thing
[18:10] <bil21al> penguin42 which bug you have seen can you give me the bug number?
[18:11] <penguin42> bil21al: bug 878501 - but it may not be the same as yours - for him it stops and never comes back
[18:11] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 878501 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "ps/2 keyboard not working [irqbalance?] (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/878501
[18:11]  * yofel gets frequent ~500ms freezes with nouveau on his notebook - but not 2s or more
[18:12] <penguin42> yofel: Youch
[18:13] <yofel> yeah, one more reason why I'm using the proprietary driver
[18:13] <bil21al> penguin42 can i file bug?
[18:13] <penguin42> bil21al: Sure
[18:13]  * penguin42 goes to get food
[18:14] <bil21al> *
[18:20] <bil21al> penguin42 in which pakage i file it?
[18:21] <bil21al> in which pake i file the bug of launchpad?
[18:21] <bil21al> pakage?
[19:32] <hggdh> about the discussion above -- my view is LP is an expert system, not for the casual user. We need an end-user solution outside LP
[20:10] <lifeless> hggdh: for what ?
[22:00] <hggdh> lifeless: to collect the casual user comments. Perhaps askubuntu/forum already do that, but we need to harvest them
[22:04] <micahg> hggdh: I think in other organizations that's done by a separate team that can then report or create bugs based on those issues
[22:07] <lifeless> hggdh: what sort of comments ?
[22:37] <hggdh> lifeless: an user has a problem, perhaps a bug. But the user does not have enough technical knowledge to (correctly) open a bug.
[22:37] <hggdh> micahg: yes, something like that
[22:38] <hggdh> lifeless: so this user comments (somewhere) about this self-perceived issue; eventually this may be escalated to a bug on LP
[22:38] <lifeless> hggdh: I think defining bug as being technical description is overly narrow
[22:38] <lifeless> we're looking at consolidating blueprints, answers and bugs into one system
[22:39] <hggdh> lifeless: is there a session on that during UDS? I would really like to participate, if you do not mind
[22:39] <hggdh> lifeless: of course, integration would most certainly be a plus
[22:42] <hggdh> micahg,  lifeless: one thing, for example, would be to mine the google query database for common issues, and --somehow, depends on what they are -- address them
[22:43] <lifeless> hggdh: https://dev.launchpad.net/IssueTracker
[22:44] <lifeless> hggdh: no session planned, but thats our current thinking on the problem
[22:44] <hggdh> lifeless: perfect, I will read it. Thank you very much, sir
[22:45] <lifeless> de nada
[22:47] <hggdh> heh. Muito obrigado, então :-)
[23:31] <cprofitt> hey all
[23:55] <jbicha> lifeless: what would happen to "Get Help Online...", would that button just go away?


[04:29] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[08:41] <wez> Good evening lotuspsychje!
[08:42]  * wez cracks open a proper AU pale ale fermented in the bottle and hands it to lotuspsychje
[11:53] <guiverc_qa> .
[11:54] <guiverc_qa> .
[11:55] <guiverc_qa> .
[11:55] <guiverc_qa> .
[11:58] <wez> hi guiverc_qa
[12:00] <guiverc> G'day wez
[12:01] <wez> G'day good sir
[12:01] <wez> or maam
[12:01] <wez> or non-binary
[12:01] <guiverc> :)
[12:01] <wez> How are you?
[12:02]  * wez needs to stop using personal pronouns
[12:03] <guiverc> tired & was unable to create the bug I was looking for using Ubuntu Desktop (good in one way anyway) that we have currently with Lubuntu lunar  ("." was to create noise on the irc client;..)...  I maybe should have connected to -offtopic
[12:03]  * guiverc normally pings myself via PM; but boxes where in different rooms
[21:41] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue767 now available to our reading public: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue767 :D
[21:44] <cartdrige> pipewire doesn't sound as cool as pulseaudio.
[21:44] <cartdrige> we can't tell it has to do with the audio by its name.
[21:44] <cartdrige> (fart)
[21:46] <JanC> what about PolypAudio ?
[21:59] <Eickmeyer> Pipewire also handles some video subsystems, so it's not just for audio.
[22:07] <Eickmeyer> Bashing-om: Just some points of correction: I'm fairly certain all of those meetings for the rest of December were cancelled. I know for a fact the TB meeting was, and since Canonical is on break until Jan 3, I'd suspect Foundations and Desktop Indaba are as well.
[22:08] <Eickmeyer> (Indaba was done earlier this month)
[22:10] <Bashing-om> Eickmeyer: No one told us ! We go by what gets posted on various calendars :( .. and yeah will make the Pipe-wire correction. Thanks heaps !
[22:10] <Eickmeyer> Bashing-om: Yeah, hardly anyone has access to Fridge, so that kinda gets forgotten.
[22:12] <Eickmeyer> And as far as Pipewire goes, the video stuff only really gets taken advantage of when using Wayland as the compositor.
[22:12] <Bashing-om> guiverc[m]: ^^ Pull from the Fridge ? I do to the WIKI and the Forums ?
[22:13] <Eickmeyer> FWIW, the TB didn't update their wiki page.
[22:13] <Eickmeyer> But their latest meeting notes they did decide to cancel the last meeting of the year.
[22:14] <Eickmeyer> And I just happen to know that Canonical is on break.
[22:15] <guiverc> For me to pull anything from the fridge; I'd need a request on ML OR in #ubuntu-news (#ubuntu-community-team or somewhere appropriate), and by someone associated with group.. ie. mostly traceable & understandable reason why it was done.
[22:15] <Eickmeyer> guiverc: Jose has access.
[22:15] <Bashing-om> Eickmeyer: Sp for Meeting - I can report "None as Canonical is on seasonal break" ?
[22:16] <Bashing-om> sp/so*
[22:16] <Eickmeyer> Bashing-om: Yeah I would say that's a safe bet.
[22:17]  * Eickmeyer should probably join the news team as he knows way too much 😅
[22:17] <guiverc> if the tb boards notes say as you do Eickmeyer, provide link & request I remove link in calendar #ubuntu-news etc & I will
[22:17] <Eickmeyer> guiverc: I'll get the notes.
[22:18]  * guiverc means just one room, the etc. was intended for a relevant room & need not be #ubuntu-news.
[22:18] <Eickmeyer> guiverc: https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-12-13-20.04.moin.txt very end
[22:19]  * Eickmeyer was in that meeting as there was a discussion about Edubuntu
[22:20] <Eickmeyer> Long story short: project moving forward
[22:21] <guiverc> can you please provide request (& link) in #ubuntu-news ; it's where prior requests have been made/actioned
[22:21] <guiverc> but the Edubuntu is really great news :)
[22:22] <Bashing-om> Eickmeyer: Yeah - I keep an eye our for what is taking place for the Edubuntu release :D
[22:24] <Eickmeyer> guiverc: Done
[22:24] <guiverc> the 'request removal from fridge calendar' please.  (sorry to be a pain; I want a clear record)
[22:24] <Eickmeyer> Ohhhhh ok.
[22:25] <guiverc> otherwise it'll read like you're reporting 'news' to us...
[22:27] <Eickmeyer> guiverc: Better? 😅
[22:28] <guiverc> thanks :)
[22:28] <Eickmeyer> yw. :)
[22:29]  * guiverc irc is different without my usual sound effects (pipewire issue on lubuntu)
[22:30] <Eickmeyer> Strange. pipewire-pulse should just act like a drop-in replacement. I've been testing on Studio and it seems to be working fine, even with the pipewire-jack backend.
[22:31] <guiverc> i have music playing using clementine; hexchat (my irc client) is silent.. arraybolt3 noted the same with thunderbird notifications; we've not created a bug report on it yet, BUT couldn't replicate the issue with Ubuntu Desktop (lunar)
[22:36] <Eickmeyer> Very strange indeed.
[22:36] <Eickmeyer> Makes me wonder if it's something wrong with the LXQt audio stack.
[22:39] <Bashing-om> Eickmeyer: Van nit make the Pipewire edits for video or Wayland as the original quthor we are reporting on does not memtion them. I can ping arraybolt3[m] and see of he will edit his article ?
[22:39] <Bashing-om> can not make**
[22:39] <Eickmeyer> Bashing-om: I wouldn't worry about it since Lubuntu's implementation doesn't include Wayland.
[22:39] <arraybolt3> +1
[22:40] <arraybolt3> I don't know how PipeWire affects video on Lubuntu.
[22:40] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: I could explain it, but TL;DR: It doesn't.
[22:40] <Bashing-om> Eickmeyer: Nor yet does Xubuntu support Wayland.
[22:40] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: As our local A/V on Linux guy, that's good enough for me.
[22:41] <Eickmeyer> Exactly, Bashing-om .
[22:41] <arraybolt3> (I mean you're our local A/V on Linux guy.)
[22:41] <Eickmeyer> I mean, I kinda default to that. 😅
[22:42] <Eickmeyer> Pipewire shines with the video stack when doing video capture, such as on a Google Meet conference.
[22:43] <Bashing-om> All: Leeping in mind guys that UWN is what we, as a community, present to the world - we do strive to make as good a presentation as possible :D
[22:43] <Eickmeyer> X11 does that natively, but Wayland needs the extra subsystem, hence Pipewire.
[22:44] <Eickmeyer> Bashing-om: No doubt! You're all doing a great job!
 CPU is Intel i7 -8650U x 8 (ubuntu 18.04.6 says) and memory is 16 GB
 gry: if I boot 22.10 or 22.04 from a live USB, sometimes it won't make it to the live desktop... or if it does, little after it will freeze... therefore, I would not be able to install those?
[23:17] <gry> like 'what the ...' -- these specs are plenty enough, right?
[23:25] <daftykins> what does the media check say? weird to pick such an old release
[23:31] <gry> daftykins: what is a media check
[23:31] <gry> they tried to boot live cd and they say it was freezing randomly as described above
[23:32] <daftykins> oh yeah it came in after 18.04 anyway, duh - well the newer ones check themselves and report errors eh
[23:34] <arraybolt3> gry: I think a "media check" is when you use sha256sum on the ISO and make sure its hash matches the one in the corresponding SHA256SUMS file.
[23:34] <daftykins> no
[23:41] <Eickmeyer> The check when the .iso image initially boots is a bit more thorough than the sha256sum, and apport can check to see if the user had let it run or skipped it, which really helps on bug reports.
[23:42] <daftykins> it should definitely have been implemented as a menu option though
[23:42] <Eickmeyer> no
[23:42] <daftykins> it could be the default but having had an additional entry with skipping the check would have made more sense
[23:43] <daftykins> i've been in situations with remote console virtual mounting (Dell iDRAC / HP iLO) where it'd take hours to disc check a downloaded ISO due to a slow network link
[23:43] <Eickmeyer> No. Seeing that they skipped it is the difference between a valid and invalid bug report.
[23:43] <Eickmeyer> Can't tell whether or not their media was any good.
[23:44] <daftykins> i'm not talking about your comment regarding bug reports, i'm saying that in my opinion the feature should have been implemented as a choice
[23:45] <daftykins> i understand your view but you can't say 'no' to my opinion over choice, also if i filed a bug and you shouted at me for not testing media and used it as an excuse not to pursue a bug it would be not be great :)
[23:45] <gry> i think if it's a bug, it's either their usb or their hardware
[23:45] <daftykins> -be
[23:46] <gry> if it's a graphics problem, i'd rather shoot myself than debug it; i'd prefert to shove the hardware into a bin and get a new one over debugging graphics problems
[23:46] <gry> because graphics problems are a pain
[23:46] <daftykins> so hash the download, re-check the media creation, boot with nomodeset, check firmware is latest, all the usual basics
[23:46] <Eickmeyer> daftykins:  I don't see you helping with Ubuntu development and only being argumentative with those in here that are, and seeing as how Ubuntu is a meritocracy, you don't have much leg to stand on.
[23:46] <gry> boot with nomodeset - maybe good idea
[23:47] <daftykins> wow i only expressed an opinion on the feature and now you're trying to make it personal? this is extremely unwelcome Eickmeyer
[23:47] <Eickmeyer> daftykins: I've been watching you be unwelcome to others in here, so that's what's set me off.
[23:48] <gry> re booting with nomodeset - is there a good docs page about how to do it
[23:48] <daftykins> !nomodeset
[23:48] <daftykins> well, regardless of your feeling at unconnected other times, you've essentially harmed your own position by claiming i have to be a dev to have an opinion
[23:49] <Eickmeyer> daftykins: No, I'm saying if you want to see change, start helping.
[23:49] <Eickmeyer> I, on the other hand, benefit from that feature.
[23:49] <daftykins> are you aware i gave over 10 years of support in main?
[23:49] <gry> hey, i didn't see either of you two being rude to one another - then Eickmeyer said daftykins is not being super helpful
[23:49] <gry> why
[23:49] <gry> i'm not a dev either...
[23:49] <Eickmeyer> gry: Support is in #ubuntu.
[23:49] <gry> not of the OS, at least
[23:50] <gry> i develop some apps, contribute bug reports etc
[23:50] <daftykins> gry is asking how to help another user, that constitutes discussion to my mind
[23:50] <Eickmeyer> Ok, fair.
[23:50] <gry> i think it's fine to discuss here how to help users in #ubuntu
[23:50] <Eickmeyer> gry: Sorry, I thought you were asking for help.
[23:51] <gry> that user is super creative too, they create one problem on top of another :o) no worries
[23:51] <daftykins> too busy attacking me it would seem
[23:51] <Eickmeyer> daftykins: Providing help and support is one thing, but influencing the development of the OS is another.
[23:52] <gry> i'd influence development of the OS, but it's such niche changes that theyd not make it to the official .iso
[23:53] <gry> they'd break things normal users would want to work
[23:54] <Eickmeyer> gry: Exactly. The decisions that go into things have to be less about personal opinion and more about what would be generally acceptable and work toward a greater good.
[23:55] <gry> i mean you know stallman; the changes that i'd make (and the way i'm using the OS myself every day) are like a 10x amplified version of what stallman says
[23:56] <daftykins> i think you're failing to be objective on this one, it's still possible to skip the checks using a boot parameter... so implementing it as a menu option for those that just want to get on with something if their media access is slow (in the use-case i described) is hardly a world-ending one
[23:56] <gry> to the point that even them dont consider my changes necessary
[23:56] <gry> though i think it's not necessary for everyone in here to contribute to the generally acceptable good
[23:56] <gry> everyone does what they wish to do, be it within one app or the OS, or only chat help and thats it
[23:58] <Eickmeyer> daftykins: You might be right. As someone who leads an official flavor of Ubuntu, I want to make 100% sure that what they have downloaded, and then written to their installation medium, is exactly correct at any cost, even the 10 seconds it takes to check it.
[23:58] <daftykins> yeah i can absolutely see how annoying it would be to have someone report a bug that was down to their own bad media
[23:59] <gry> as long as it says what it is doing (wait ... checking media / iso integrity / whatever ...) rather than being stuck without any message, i'd not complain
[23:59] <Eickmeyer> Exactly. So, if the installer crashes since it couldn't copy a file because the media was bad, and I can see that it had not only a "skip" on the check and a hash mismatch on the file, that tells me with 100% certainty that they have bad media.


[02:45] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1072257] KDE Crash Handler error message doesn't reflect the problem @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1072257 (by Vertago1)
[03:59] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1072263] plasma-desktop crashes at start-up with scripted image widget @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1072263 (by Vertago1)
[07:27]  * ScottK is at the hotel now.
[08:17] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you here yet?
[10:17] <shadeslayer> jussi: Password protected stuff is up on RB ;)
[10:17] <shadeslayer> https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/107089/
[10:35] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:37] <shadeslayer> hi BluesKaj
[10:37] <BluesKaj> hey shadeslayer
[10:42] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: can you give me a coherent translation for : "Nie jest sztuką wejść "na nie widoczny"....sztuką jest odpowiedzieć na proste pytanie.....no cóż,powialo prowincjonalizmem. Pa"
[10:43] <shadeslayer> google translate makes me think the guy needs to be institutionalized
[11:23] <ScottK> shadeslayer: we should be going.
[11:27] <shadeslayer> ScottK: where are you ?
[11:33] <oy> what is needed to build kactivities.git ?
[15:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I have to change rooms, where are you ?
[15:10] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, he's logged in to : #kubuntu #kubuntu-devel #ubuntu
[15:11] <shadeslayer> sure
[15:12] <shadeslayer> but where is he in person :P
[15:30] <shadeslayer> mmm
[15:30] <shadeslayer> anyone else know where Riddell is?
[15:30] <highvoltage> I haven't seen him, but someone has mistaken me for him already
[15:31] <micahg> highvoltage: I assume this person never met either one of you before?
[15:32] <highvoltage> micahg: heh, I guess
[15:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I am going for a bath, and since I have the keycard, I don't think you'll be able to get in if you come in the next 20 minutes or so :P
[15:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hi
[15:54] <Riddell> let me know when you're out the bath then
[16:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: out :)
[16:08] <shadeslayer> Riddell: have you checked into your room ?
[16:08] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes
[16:08] <Riddell> where are you?
[16:09] <shadeslayer> 1505
[16:09] <shadeslayer> your bags are still here :P
[16:09] <Riddell> I thought you were changing rooms
[16:09] <shadeslayer> just waiting for you to come pick up your bags ?
[16:09] <Riddell> on my way
[17:12] <Riddell> gosh, tired
[17:21] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: move yer legs to lobby :P
[17:21] <shadeslayer> \o/
[17:21] <shadeslayer> coming
[17:26] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1072390] hadoop's rcc conflicts with libqt4-dev-bin @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1072390 (by Timo Kluck)
[18:30] <Tm_T> at UDS
[18:33] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: come down
[18:33] <shadeslayer> to the lobby
[18:45] <afiestas> Riddell: where are you?
[18:47] <Quintasan> afiestas: we are at lobby, come
[18:48] <Quintasan> afiestas: Riddell went to dinner
[18:49] <afiestas> Quintasan I could use some dinner :33
[18:49] <afiestas> have you gusy though on something?
[18:50] <Quintasan> afiestas: not really, shadeslayer wants to eat something as well and I am hungry as fcks
[18:51] <afiestas> shadeslayer are you sure kubuntu-active draggs a session for lightdm?
[18:52] <Quintasan> afiestas: he said he is not sure but it should
[18:53] <afiestas> shadeslayer the default settings needs to be installed
[18:54] <shadeslayer> ahh ok
[18:54] <afiestas> shouldn't kubuntu-active depend on it?
[18:56] <Quintasan> theoretically it should
[18:57] <afiestas> it doesn't
[18:57] <afiestas> ok guys going downstrais
[18:57] <afiestas> where are you exaclty?
[18:57] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: lobby
[18:57] <shadeslayer> ern
[18:57] <shadeslayer> afiestas: lobby
[18:58] <afiestas> shadeslayer lobby is big
[18:58] <afiestas> are there powersources?
[18:58] <afiestas> powerplugs? POWER POWER
[18:59] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: I was at the lobby some time ago
[18:59] <Tm_T> I'm now on the bridge
[19:00] <Tm_T> I cannot recognise anyone there it seems
[19:00] <afiestas> Tm_T: I'm going to appear in the bridge in a matter of minutes
[19:01] <Tm_T> great (:
[19:01] <afiestas> big fat guy with weird hair and short t-shirt
[19:01] <afiestas> you should recognize me xD
[19:01] <Tm_T> we'll see
[19:05] <afiestas> shadeslayer /usr/bin/startactive seems to be missing
[19:05] <afiestas> is that possible?
[19:05] <afiestas> in both, my laptop and the nexus7
[19:06] <afiestas> shadeslayer http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/all/kubuntu-active/filelist content of the active package :s
[19:08] <yofel> afiestas: there is a startactive package
[19:08] <afiestas> lol
[19:08] <afiestas> shouldn't kubuntu-active depend on that?
[19:08] <yofel> sounds like it should o.O
[19:09]  * afiestas stops looking at apt-file to find the package xD
[19:11] <afiestas> ook, let's see if I have everything this time
[19:11] <Tm_T> afiestas: where at the lobby you guys are? I'll try find you guys
[19:12] <afiestas> Tm_T: I'm still in the room, I want to get active installed before I go downstairs xd
[19:13] <Tm_T> rogery
[19:13]  * Tm_T is trying to participate on IRCC meeting
[19:14] <afiestas> kubuntu-active should depend on plasma-active also
[19:14] <afiestas> dunno if plasma-active drags startactive
[19:14] <Tm_T> it does
[19:15] <Tm_T> directly or indirectly
[19:17] <afiestas> it doens't
[19:17] <afiestas> I have jsut installed kubuntu-active in my laptop and in the nexus7
[19:17] <afiestas> it has not dragged either plasma-active or settings or startactive
[19:18] <yofel> hm, kubuntu-active depends on *nothing* o.O
[19:18] <yofel> plasma-active does depend on startactive though
[19:18] <shadeslayer> afiestas: come down !!!!!
[19:18] <shadeslayer> yofel: fix it
[19:19] <shadeslayer> afiestas: we leave in 5 mins
[19:21] <shadeslayer> afiestas: are you coming ?
[19:21] <yofel> shadeslayer: no time today
[19:21] <yofel> I'll wish you guys a nice evening though ;)
[19:21] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:39] <Tm_T> afiestas: I'm now in this pit at the lobby
[20:20] <Riddell> evening
[20:21] <Riddell> afiestas: I'm here, where are you?
[21:22] <afiestas> Riddell: where are u?
[21:37] <snikker> hi, what's the name of kubuntu installer?
[21:39] <yofel> snikker: the installer is ubiquity, and the UI is from ubiquity-frontend-kde
[21:40] <snikker> yofel: thanks for answer, so if i want customize it, i must modify ubiquity-frontend-kde?
[21:41] <yofel> should be, I haven't touched it much personally
[21:42] <snikker> yofel: ok, thank you


[13:03] <daker> mhall119, concerning this item : Read-write API for LD, what i need to do ?
[13:06] <daker> nigelb, ^
[15:27] <nigelb> daker: The API should probably be an oauth provider so we can have clients connect to it.
[15:27] <daker> ah
[15:29] <daker> and what the point of having a write permission ?
[15:30] <nigelb> daker: so that wwe can have things like Unity Places
[15:30] <nigelb> or a phone client
[15:31] <nigelb> daker: Its not high priority, one of thins that came up
[15:31] <nigelb> and its not an easy item to do.
[15:31] <nigelb> Oauth spec is needly complicated.
[15:34] <mhall119> I don't think Unity places need write capability
[15:44] <daker> yep
[16:43] <nigelb> sure
[16:43] <nigelb> I don't remember what was the train of thought back then.
[18:07] <cjohnston> I'm not sure about write api.. Not sure I see the point


[10:03] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:17] <markc> FWIW just syaing that Ubuntu Cosmic plus Kubuntu-CI/stable is a fantastic "rolling release"
[10:17] <BluesKaj> it's not a rolling release
[10:18] <markc> BluesKaj: I said "rolling release", in quotes.  I can't see why it could not be considered a "rolling release" distro
[10:24] <hateball> Yael Guilloux, what fonts are you using? From what I read you need to install fonts-noto-color-emoji
[10:26] <hateball> afraid I havent played around any with emoji stuff myself
[10:28] <BluesKaj> markc, if you're on cosmic then you can expect daily upgrades, since it's not an official release and still under development.
[10:31] <markc> BluesKaj: yes, of course, and the KubuntuCI PPA adds about double the amount of packages on top of cosmic. I've been using this combo for over a year (initially with pre-bionic) and it's been pretty solid
[10:32] <BluesKaj> markc, which ppa is   KubuntuCI PPA ?
[10:32] <markc> BluesKaj: at first I was chasing HiDPI support but it's been good enough that I have just continued with the same combo
[10:33] <markc> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ci/stable/ubuntu cosmic main
[10:36] <BluesKaj> I already have those repos in my sources.list
[10:37] <markc> Well there you go, you are also doing the "rolling release" thing :)
[10:38] <BluesKaj> not really, it's a development release,  almost daily updates/upgrades are to be expected
[10:40] <BluesKaj> if you were on bionic you wouldn't see as many updates and upgrades anymore ...mostly security
[10:40] <markc> sure, and to me it feels just like using bleeding edge Arch Linux repos from 1/2 dozen years ago, only more stable
[10:41] <BluesKaj> well, if you wish :-)
[10:42] <markc> Yaël GUILLOUX: try in another 1/2 dozen hours when the rest of the world starts to wake up
[10:43] <hateball> implying americans are more prone to emoji usage ;p
[10:43] <BluesKaj> Yaël GUILLOUX emojis aren't a high priority with most kubuntu users in my experience
[10:45] <markc> Yaël GUILLOUX: might be a low level Qt issue -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-meta/+bug/1767390
[10:49] <markc> time to chill and watch a movie, bye
[12:09] <Dragnslcr> Anyone else have problems with copy (ctrl-c) suddenly not working in certain programs? Seems to work fine in Firefox and Konsole, but it doesn't work in Konversation or Kate.
[12:14] <BluesKaj> Dragnslcr, works here in Konversation and Kate, but I'm on Cosmic
[12:18] <Dragnslcr> Yeah, most of the time it works. It just suddenly stopped working for no apparent reason.
[12:18] <Dragnslcr> It's only happened to me a couple times
 @Yaël GUILLOUX, Does installing fonts-noto-color-emoji help?
 what applications are they not working in?
 test ☕
[12:47] <acheronuk> yes, but we have an IRC bridge
[12:48] <acheronuk> I see that ok in hexchat in IRC
 never tried in konsole, and Qt emoji support is spotty AFAIR. Chrome is likewise a weird beast I don't use much
 black an white if I paste that in konsole. not sure why emojis would be wanted in konsole
 (Photo, 600x127) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/PndqusPB/file_8945.jpg
 @Yaël GUILLOUX, in gtk apps
 Qt support is not good
 Chrome doesn't use any toolkit quite on spec :/
 waiting for IRC logs to catch up: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/08/10/%23kubuntu.html
 to see what looks like in chrome
 go for it. those logs are way behind today
 (Photo, 1095x800) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/wNMf1DYq/file_8947.jpg
 fonts-symbola ?
 I don't know. I've never cared about emojis in Chrome
 (Document) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/BHmv6pSA/file_8949.xz
 Yes, but far from standard packages
 @Yaël GUILLOUX, not recently. my configs were what we tested for 18.04 release
 I probably have more fonts installed than a stcok install, simply as this syteme has been eveolving over a fairly long period and several upgrades
 @Yaël GUILLOUX, Ok, in a clean VM I tried, and get what you do … I then installed fonts-noto-color-emoji, rebooted and tried chrome again. It then displays them as this main machine does
 (Photo, 1208x745) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/Y1i0bdTG/file_8951.jpg
 apart from restarting the desktop session, that's all I had to do on a clean install
 Oh god
 It's 720p?
 Or 480?
 what is?
 Your screenshot
 Why in my PC kde works really bad?
 @chronosmsx, nah. I just resized the virtualbox window to a small one so as to not create a pointlessly huge image to post
 @acheronuk, Oh, yes, seeing vbox window
 So how to buypass windows flickering?
 (not screen)
 Hi,
 Hi, it's possible to minimize windows in the icon from the app self as in macoxs or Budgie desktop?
[22:12] <Sia-> Hi, it's possible to minimize windows in the icon from the app self as in macoxs or Budgie desktop?


[15:25] <gassho> installing 13.10, installer has been frozen since i went to sleep :c
[15:42] <highvoltage> gassho: what's the step it's showing in the status indicator? (the bottom part of the installation window)
[15:51] <gassho> unpacking xorg
[15:51] <gassho> installing .10 from .04
[15:53] <gassho> as in 13.04 to 13.10
[16:19] <gassho> i think ill just burn a .10 after backing up my 'important' files :B
[22:00] <gassho> hellodubuntu :D also!  still frozen-like upgrader to .10 or as we like to call it, current
[22:00] <gassho> which makes me wonder


[09:43] <Traveler> hello all.  i'm looking for a quick suggestion for running edubuntu in a school env.  i have 30 student computers and 10 teacher computers each running edubuntu as standalone.  I'd like to introduce a central server for account mgt, home directory storage, client login scripts.  looking for server build (services) suggstions.  The network also contains a few Windows clients that I'd like to provide a client home directory for as well
[09:44] <Traveler> currently thinking of a minimal debian build on the server with samba and webmin
[09:45] <Traveler> i don't think i need a full LDAP implementation
[09:45] <Traveler> or do I since there are Windows clients?


[00:21] <zerothis> on karmic
[04:04] <Jairun> So I was just flipping through themes on my new xubuntu 10.04 install when XFCE crashed and dumped me to the login screen. Any further attempts to login just result in me ending back at the login screen.
[04:05] <Jairun> I'm thinking maybe one of the themes is corrupt/broken?
[04:07] <charlie-tca> Can you use Ctrl+Alt+F1 to go to a tty?
[04:07] <charlie-tca> you will need to delete the theme file from the system
[04:08] <Jairun> I'm on a TTY now
[04:08] <Jairun> screen/irssi/ also running an update
[04:09] <Jairun> fumbling around with w3m since I didn't get links installed before I started updating
[04:09] <Jairun> Problem is. I have no idea what theme I selected when it broke
[04:09] <Jairun> I wasn't really paying attention to the names
[04:10] <charlie-tca> It's okay. When done running updates, you go into /home/USER_NAME/.cache/sessions
[04:10] <charlie-tca> delete any saved session
[04:11] <Jairun> Okies, I'll give that a try
[04:11] <charlie-tca> also check for any file called xfce4-splash???
[04:11] <charlie-tca> delete that one too
[04:12] <charlie-tca> then restart. You should be able to log in again
[04:12] <charlie-tca> Most of the time, a theme called Balou is responsible for this issue
[04:12] <Jairun> looks like there are some thunar-[gibberish] files in sessoin. about all I see
[04:13] <charlie-tca> Delete those
[04:14] <charlie-tca> You can also look in /home/USER_NAME/.config/xfce4 for anything to delete
[04:14] <charlie-tca> It would probably be under xfwm4 in there
[04:16] <Jairun> .config/xfwm4 is empty
[04:16] <charlie-tca> that is a good thing :-)
[04:17] <Jairun> So you mention balou seems to be causing this frequently. Any idea what's breaking?
[04:18] <charlie-tca> no, I don't . Not even the developers seem to be able to pin it down
[04:19] <Jairun> ah, goodie :)
[04:20] <Jairun> so the clearing of the cache and whatnot is mostly voodo then :-p
[04:20] <charlie-tca> It works
[04:20] <Jairun> never said voodo doesn't work
[04:20] <charlie-tca> It removes the parts making it not work
[04:20] <charlie-tca> I have one more if needed.
[04:21] <Jairun> I'm thinking about blowing away that theme as well.
[04:21] <charlie-tca> It removes the saved theme that fails.
[04:21] <Jairun> ah
[04:22] <charlie-tca> I don't actually know if balou was responsible for your issue, but has been known to cause this issue.
[04:31] <Jairun> alrighty. lets see what happens
[04:34] <Jairun> no love
[04:41] <Jairun> here's my ~/.xession-errors http://pastebin.com/jCvV7ENX
[04:41] <charlie-tca> okay, got one more for you
[04:42] <charlie-tca> delete the session in .cache again
[04:43] <charlie-tca> then delete everything in .config/xfce4/xfconf/sfce-perchannel-xml
[04:43] <charlie-tca> then delete .gconfd/saved_state
[04:43] <charlie-tca> then reboot
[04:45] <charlie-tca> uh, that should have been .config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml
[04:46] <Jairun> yeah figured
[04:46] <Jairun> that's gonna blow away all my settings isn't it?
[04:47] <charlie-tca> No, not until you delete everything in .cache
[04:47] <charlie-tca> It will blow some away, but not everything.
[04:47] <Jairun> cool
[04:47] <Jairun> aight, lets try this
[04:47] <Jairun> brb
[04:54] <Jairun> that's the ticket :) Thanks
[04:59] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[09:02] <frnknstn> How do I have it so that middle-clicking on a window gives that window focus?
[09:09] <castor> hi
[09:09] <castor> i have a problem with my ipod
[09:10] <castor> It won't show up on my desktop. ideviceinfo shows all the info though
[09:10] <well_laid_lawn> !ipod
[09:10] <castor> i have libimobile and alot of other packages installed like xusbmud
[09:10] <castor> !RockBox
[09:11] <castor> !ipod
[09:13] <castor> well_laid_lawn: thanks for the info, but i already used that guide but it just won't work; i think i have installed all the right packages
[09:14] <well_laid_lawn> I don't use an ipod so that's all I know :]
[09:14] <castor> thanks anyway
[09:16] <well_laid_lawn> does it show in   mount   in terminal?
[09:18] <castor> yep
[09:18] <castor> ideviceinfo gives all the info and says its connected
[09:19] <castor> ow mount
[09:19] <castor> 1 sec i'll check
[09:19] <well_laid_lawn> so you can browse to it there's just no desktop icon?
[09:20] <castor> no i cant browse. I only can see the info via ideviceinfo but it wont connect to rythymbox or any music program and it wont show up on the desktop
[09:20] <castor> i dont know for sure if its listed in "mount"
[09:20] <castor> what should i look for in the mount list ?
[09:21] <well_laid_lawn> buggers me what an ipod shows up as
[09:21] <castor> me too
[09:21] <well_laid_lawn> paste it pls
[09:22] <well_laid_lawn> I'm curious to see :]
[09:22] <Sysi> *pastebin
[09:23] <castor> /dev/sda1 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[09:23] <castor> proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[09:23] <castor> none on /sys type sysfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[09:23] <castor> none on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)
[09:23] <castor> none on /sys/kernel/debug type debugfs (rw)
[09:23] <castor> none on /sys/kernel/security type securityfs (rw)
[09:23] <castor> none on /dev type devtmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
[09:23] <castor> none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=0620)
[09:23] <castor> none on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev)
[09:23] <castor> none on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
[09:23] <castor> none on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[09:23] <castor> none on /lib/init/rw type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,mode=0755)
[09:23] <castor> binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[09:23] <castor> gvfs-fuse-daemon on /home/timh/.gvfs type fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=timh)
[09:23] <well_laid_lawn> sorry Sysi
[09:25] <castor> it seems (x)ubuntu should support Ipod right out of the box but i have alot of difficulties with it :P
[09:25] <well_laid_lawn> is it an older model?
[09:25] <castor> nope
[09:26] <castor> its a ipod toutch
[09:26] <well_laid_lawn> k
[09:26] <castor> e few months old
[09:26] <castor> *pastebin
[09:26] <castor> whats pastebin ?
[09:26] <well_laid_lawn> you did check   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone ?
[09:26] <well_laid_lawn> !paste
[09:26] <well_laid_lawn> !pastebin
[09:27] <well_laid_lawn> same thing :]
[09:27] <Sysi> /topic
[09:27] <castor> yea i have checked the iphone help
[09:27] <well_laid_lawn> k
[09:27] <castor> i used that help page to install
[09:27] <castor> and i did everyting
[09:28] <castor> and some other tutorials as well
[09:28] <castor> there is something i'm not doing right but i don't know what
[09:28] <well_laid_lawn> makes me yhink h/ware then - is there another cable you can try ?
[09:28] <castor> yeah i tried
[09:28] <castor> and the ipod makes a sound like its connected to the computer
[09:29] <castor> and all other external devices like USB sticks do work
[09:29] <castor> i only did not try another ipod yet
[09:29] <well_laid_lawn> bbiab
[09:30] <castor> but i think thats not the problem since the system can see my ipod with ideviceinfo and says it's connected
[09:49] <castor> anyone else has any knowledge about (x)ubuntu and ipods ?
[10:05] <castor>  anyone else has any knowledge about (x)ubuntu and ipods ?
[10:08] <knome> !patience | castor
[10:12] <castor> !patience
[10:26]  * dreamtraveler geia
[13:39] <knome> leoquant, i saw you were approved to the xubuntu artwork team. would you mind to join #xubuntu-devel and tell about your plans to contribute?
[14:32] <mr_pouit> yeah, I'd be interested also, at least to know who I'll have to ping for the artwork next time :O
[14:32] <mr_pouit> s/:O/:P/
[15:24] <lxmark> Hi,
[15:25] <lxmark> I  just installed xubuntu the other day on my Toshiba laptop U505-S2950.  I have fount that the fan doesn't run when the machine warms up.  How do I reset the fan temperature activation points so that it will come on.
[15:26] <Sysi> it should be in BIOS menu
[15:29] <lxmark> I would have thought so, I haven't checked there.  My reason for this is that I also run opensuse on this computer and it starts the fan up pretty much right away.  The xubuntu doesn't do so, ever.  I have read in the Opensuse stuff how temperature activation points are controlled from somewhere in config files, so I thought that it might be the same in xubuntu.  But being new to the system, I don't know where they are.
[15:34] <lxmark_> I noticed that during the installation of xubuntu there was a package that was automatically installed that was something like ASUS laptop temperature control.  I had assumed that this was the program that would provide the temperature control scheme.
[15:52] <jk_> I'm running Lucid on three machines; two of them have the "applications" menu that I'm familiar with from Hardy, but this one has a very different menu. Where is the configuration file that controls this?
[15:57] <TheSheep> jk_: what do you mean by different?
[15:59] <jk_> TheSheep, This one has lines at the top for Terminal, File Manager, and Browser, with Ubuntu Software Center moved from the top down to the System submenu. It also has about five times as many entries.
[16:01] <jk_> That "five times" is for the Settings submenu.
[20:28] <nephy> hey , how do i change de screen resolution ?
[22:19] <mekyla> hey - strange problem.  just installed xubuntu (10.04).  after i update / dist-upgrade, the mouse cursor has disappeared (though it works in the login area).
[22:20] <mekyla> hrm, just did ctl-alt-del and then typed in password and it came back.
[22:21] <mekyla> well, i can live with that for now :) cheers.


[19:19] <missaugustina> Howdy! I need some help with bzr
[19:19] <missaugustina> I created a branch in lp and I'm trying to create the branch on my system.
[19:19] <missaugustina> When I run the bzr branch command it keeps saying "Error not a branch"
[19:20] <missaugustina> This is my branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~missaugustina/ubuntu-docs/usb-creator
[19:21] <missaugustina> I need to create a local branch so I can push my changes to it
[19:23] <missaugustina> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~missaugustina/ubuntu-docs/usb-creator/".
[19:24] <missaugustina> bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "https://code.launchpad.net/~missaugustina/ubuntu-docs/".
[19:26] <missaugustina> ok nm i have to create it as a new branch, i was following the wrong instructions
[20:44] <missaugustina> Alright! got it working! https://code.launchpad.net/~missaugustina/ubuntu-docs/usb-creator
[20:44] <missaugustina> I'll have the docbook tagged stuff up there soon.
[22:13] <mdke> missaugustina: nice, I'll take a look when it is ready
[22:13] <mdke> probably this weekend so we can get it into the ubuntu-docs branch
[22:15] <mdke> missaugustina: probably the simplest way for you to do it would be to create a branch from the ubuntu-docs karmic branch, add your document using the same structure/format as similar documents (about-ubuntu is probably a good example) and then push that branch so that it can be easily merged
[22:16] <mdke> that will also allow you to check it using our validate tool (scripts/validate.sh in the branch)
[22:16] <missaugustina> OK I will definitely need help to make sure I'm doing it right.
[22:17] <missaugustina> I created my own usb-creator branch just to have a place to put the tagged doc.
[22:17] <mdke> missaugustina: no problem, I'm happy to help, and I'm sure others will be too
[22:17] <missaugustina> Right now just the text is up there, untagged, in OpenOffice format
[22:17] <mdke> yep
[22:17] <mdke> do you also have a local copy of the ubuntu-docs karmic branch?
[22:17] <missaugustina> yeah I am re-dowloading that now
[22:17] <mdke> awesome
[22:18] <missaugustina> I had to reinstall my system and getting bazaar re-set up took all morning haha
[22:18] <mdke> ouch
[22:18] <missaugustina> There are so many great quickstart guides for bazaar out there but nothing specific for ubuntu-docs, unless I just don't know where it is
[22:19] <missaugustina> The version of bazaar I had from the repositories was incompatible so I had to re-set up from the Bazaar PPA
[22:19] <missaugustina> I'm writing something up for myself as a reminder in case I ever have to do this again and can post it to the wiki somewhere when I'm done
[22:19] <mdke> the bzr guide should be here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Repository
[22:20] <mdke> if there is something you think could be added, feel free to suggest - we can always improve the info
[22:20] <mdke> hmm, annoying that you couldn't use the ordinary bzr. I wonder if that is our fault
[22:21] <missaugustina> k I will definitely. 2 things offhand is a quick note on how to back up from an existing rsa key. I backed mine up when I reinstalled so I didn't have to set that stuff up again.
[22:21] <missaugustina> Second thing is setting up the Bzr PPA
[22:21] <missaugustina> Since the versions were incompatible, or i was getting errors when trying to get the ubuntu docs branch
[22:22] <mdke> the second thing is more worrying, for me. we're doing something wrong if the branch isn't compatible
[22:22] <mdke> on the first thing, it's maybe a marginal user case, or something which we could link to another document for
[22:22] <missaugustina> I will post the errors I got, I'm on Jaunty and was running Bzr .98
[22:22] <missaugustina> or whatever is in the repositories
[22:23] <missaugustina> KeyError: 'Bazaar repository format 2a (needs bzr 1.16 or later)\n'
[22:23] <mdke> hmm
[22:23] <missaugustina> Looks like it was Bazaar 1.13
[22:23] <mdke> we should definitely fix that
[22:23] <mdke> thanks for pointing it out
[22:24] <missaugustina> NP I just thought we were supposed to be using the Bazaar PPA, not the official repositories and thought wow why isn't that documented anywhere??
[22:25] <mdke> one way or the other we should fix it :)
[22:25] <missaugustina> That wiki you linked is perfect, I think it's what I used the first time I set everything up.
[22:28] <missaugustina> Yay finally got it all downloaded. OK so you were saying I should make my branch look like "about-ubuntu"
[22:28] <mdke> I think that you should make changes directly to the branch you just downloaded
[22:28] <mdke> so you would add a directory "usb-creator"
[22:29] <mdke> and then you put your document in usb-creator/C/usb-creator.xml
[22:29] <missaugustina> Oh right and the tools create the other docs
[22:29] <mdke> how do you mean?
[22:30] <missaugustina> In about-ubuntu there's a "po" folder
[22:30] <mdke> oh yeah, don't worry about that
[22:30] <missaugustina> with a *.pot document
[22:30] <mdke> I'll deal with it
[22:30] <missaugustina> What are those?
[22:30] <mdke> those are for translations
[22:30] <missaugustina> Ah ok
[22:31] <missaugustina> And the *.omf file in the C directory ?
[22:31] <mdke> that's used by yelp to show documents - you can create that too if you fancy giving it a go, otherwise I'm happy to do that
[22:31] <missaugustina> I'll give it a shot
[22:32] <mdke> about-ubuntu.xml is a good document to use as an example for yours because it is an <article> and will show you the header format that we use for our documents
[22:32] <missaugustina> Where is the Doc Book tagging guide for Ubuntu docs?
[22:32] <missaugustina> Yeah that's what I was going to draw from
[22:32] <mdke> there is a sort of basic intro here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Editing
[22:32] <mdke> and here for checking: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/SystemDocumentation/Checking
[22:33] <missaugustina> I know HTML and I used Docbook like 10 yrs ago so it's just figuring out what tags you guys use
[22:33] <missaugustina> Excellent! Thanks
[22:33] <mdke> details of the tags are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/StyleGuide/DocbookConventions
[22:33] <mdke> that's not entirely complete, unfortunately, but if you read it, you're in good shape :)
[22:34] <mdke> thanks very much for your work on this
[22:35] <missaugustina> hey no problem! thx for letting me contribute!
[22:35] <mdke> we love contributions :)
[22:36] <mdke> ok, i'm off to bed, catch you again soon
[22:36] <missaugustina> Thx for your help! Gnite!


[02:27] <GeorgeDeka> i believe i have found a bug in wubi, when installing the netbook remix, i could not see it on launchpad
[02:38] <GeorgeDeka> just noticed the wubi installer is trying to download 9.10 instead of 10.4
[18:55] <DASPRiD> cjwatson, ping


[13:17] <EdS> Hi there, I'm having some issues with the nginx-ingress controller, that was deployed as part of canonical-kubernetes juju bundle. I'm wondering if anyone who knows enough about the juju bundle would be able to tell me if these "mandatory steps" over here: https://github.com/kubernetes/ingress-nginx/blob/master/deploy/README.md/#mandatory-commands are run as part of bringing up the charms?
[13:17] <EdS> I have checked for the namespace etc that are shown in the documents but not found them (or anything with similar names) leading me to think that the ingress controller is not fully deployed by the bundle
[13:18] <EdS> this is in a production cluster that is working fine, but being "funky" about letting me set configmaps to do with the ingress.
[13:33] <knobby> EdS: reached out to you on slack, but based on this I would point out that the nginx image may be different than what you're trying to set via configmaps. If there are specific features that you are missing from the default image, you could use juju config to set the nginx-image config variable on the kubernetes-worker charm to anything you wanted.


[09:39] <cjwatson> corecode_: I already tried nobarrier, makes no difference.  The slowdown's in the lucid release notes
[09:39] <cjwatson> DASPRiD: hi
[10:01] <corecode_> cjwatson: thanks
[10:01] <corecode_> cjwatson: any hints where the invalid root file system error could come from?
[10:16] <cjwatson> corecode_: that's a secondary error due to something else going wrong during partitioning.  /var/log/syslog and /var/log/partman combined should be enough to investigate
[10:17] <cjwatson> or at least that's my guess from the limited information you've given
[12:35] <corecode_> there was a way to make partman more verbose
[12:36] <corecode_> but i forgot
[16:50] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4120 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/ubi-summary.py): Only validate the GRUB device entry if it's shown.
[17:05] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4121 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac debian/changelog): bump to 2.3.0
[17:06] <CIA-3> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4122 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog): merge lp:~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/lucid-release


[01:54] <sarnold> user Ucker in #ubuntu-server is being annoying, please banhammer :)
[01:57] <sarnold> rww: yano banned him :)
[01:57] <sarnold> rww: thanks
[01:57] <rww> sarnold: ah, was about to ask
[07:23] <ikonia> hello kenny18
[07:51] <ikonia> hello andrewjs18
[07:57] <Unit193> Ban against *18!*@*$#ubuntu-ops matches<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:01] <rww> IdleOne: see ^
[08:02] <elky> yeah lift that one, surely they got bored by now
[08:02] <rww> doubt it
[08:02] <rww> though i agree with the first half of the sentence
[08:02] <elky> i figure they might have aged a year or so
[08:03] <rww> in robot or human years?
[10:20] <IdleOne> so that is 1 out of how many?
[10:27] <IdleOne> strange that you agree the ban should be lifted, when you're the one who suggested I make it a forward so we can keep an eye on how many false positives we get. first incident and you're ready to remove the ban.
[10:27] <IdleOne> Do whatever you like.
[10:28] <elky> yes, because bans are not usually a permanent thing, especially not with botnets
[10:30] <IdleOne> I don't own the ban. Feel free to act in the best interest of the channel.
[13:09] <ikonia> gone
[13:36] <DJones>  student> I'm currently using arch linux, but ubuntu is just waay too difficult!
[13:36] <DJones> Please, no trolling
[14:15] <User272> stu "d!ckless" lantz betrays all; trannys & queers(chaste Homos/a$$holes), rule; hubert andrews jenkins aka andrea hylton/tranny
[14:16] <k1l> i really wonder why people do such things.
 your offtopic room is banning me for fun
[18:54] <bazhang> !fun
[18:55] <chu> rww: Not sure if you want to deal with this ...
[18:55] <chu> For what it's worth, it wasn't fun. He was told what was gonna happen if he kept it up.
[18:55] <bazhang> wrong answers for $500 alex
[19:00] <rww> shockingly, they aren't talking in ##hardware
[19:02] <IdleOne> I think maybe you're a little too stern about the support questions in -ot but I understand why so...
[19:02] <IdleOne> forget I mentioned it :)
[19:02] <rww> in general, I'm not that stern. they were being particularly obnoxious
[19:02] <IdleOne> true
[19:02] <IdleOne> the immediately thing bothered me too
[19:03] <rww> the support directive is one of those nebulous things that isn't in !guidelines but is a community norm, so I don't usually kick people out for it
[19:03] <rww> but if you start acting entitled about it, it's a different story
[19:03] <rww> anyways, back to work
[19:06] <chu> Yeah, I only got annoyed at the demand.
[19:08] <genii> "Help me RIGHT NOW, or else, dammit!"   etc etc
[19:09] <bazhang> same thing in #freenode , I directed him there twice
[19:09] <IdleOne> ask in ##rww-support-4-non-support-qs
[20:13] <genii> Hm. "Status as at December 2010" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/systemd
[21:16] <tsimpson> genii: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/core-1403-systemd-transition is newer
[21:36] <genii> tsimpson: Cool, thanks. They also pointed me to the Debian official docs
[21:37] <genii> ( in #ubuntu-devel )
[23:31] <phunyguy> lol my wife is passed out with the laptop on her lap
[23:32] <phunyguy> oops wrong chan!  See #ubuntu-offtopic for more!


[08:18] <ffio> i want to learn more about ubuntu-installer from where can i start ?
[08:51] <ffio> i want to know how is an installer integrated with the distro.
[09:28] <xnox> ffio: did you read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installer/Development ?
[09:29] <xnox> are there specific questions you have?
[09:44] <ffio> xnox: yeah
[09:45] <ffio> xnox: i have read that web page.
[09:50] <ffio> the thing is that i have created a lfs live system, and to understand how the installer interacts, i want to install ubuntu installer on my lfs system. So that i can learn things practically.
[09:51] <cjwatson> That's likely to be a heroically difficult endeavour.
[09:52] <cjwatson> The installer is pretty specific to the Debian/Ubuntu set of packaging tools.
[09:53] <ffio> cjwatson: ok. so i can try install ubuntu installer on an ubuntu based system ?
[09:53] <ffio> i want to try it from scratch
[09:54] <cjwatson> It expects to be run from a live environment (i.e. one set up by casper).  Trying it in a non-live environment is extremely unwise.
[09:58] <cjwatson> You can certainly set up a live environment and run it by hand, but you won't learn much from that versus the usual setup.
[10:05] <ffio> cjwatson: ok sir :)
[10:12] <ara> xnox, ping
[10:13] <xnox> ara: heya =)
[10:14] <ara> xnox, hello :)
[10:14] <ara> xnox, it looks like your patch for https://bugs.launchpad.net/oem-priority/+bug/1197766 caused another issue
[10:14] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1197766 in OEM Priority Project "Different partition layout after recovery with keep home partition" [Critical,Confirmed]
[10:14] <ara> xnox, can you have a look, please?
[10:22] <xnox> ara: commented on the bug, will investigate further.
[10:22] <ara> xnox, ta!
[13:29] <agateau> hi, I am working on adding a wireless page to the Ubiquity KDE installer, but I need ubiquity/nm to be desktop-agnostic first. Anyone willing to review https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/ubiquity/nm-split/+merge/176665 ?


[03:01] <billy_ran_away> Can anyone tell me what happened to apache's auth_pam in 13.10?
[05:05] <adun153> Hi, I have a situation where my my server installation is starting Upstart services, but not the SysV ones. How should I go about troubleshooting this?
[08:06] <tomixxx7> hi, does anyone know a good test editor for ubuntu?
[08:06] <tomixxx7> in its functionality comparable to pspad or notepad++ for windows
[08:09] <posthuman> hey guys im running a exim4 mailserver since yesterday. I created 2 additional Mail Accounts.Sending from my "old" account to the new accounts works fine, vice versa does not. Exim4 log gives mailbox unavailable\n550 Sender address is not allowed . All 3 accounts are gmx accounts
[08:11] <adun153> tomixxx7: In order of my preference. Vi, Bluefish, Kate, Gedit.
[08:12] <tomixxx7> ty
[08:14] <posthuman> ok sending mails from a lokal client works fine
[09:01] <Elfuego> Hey anyone around who can help with a small issue with ubuntu server networking in a hyperV VM
[09:12] <sheptard> don't ask to ask just ask
[09:15] <jamespage> zul, wanna fixup trove - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openstack-trove
[09:15] <jamespage> ?
[09:22] <Elfuego> I have a hyperV-vm running server12.04 - the NIC connects at only 100Mbps in this VM but 10GBps in other
[09:25] <jamespage> zul, nm - I'll get it
[09:25] <jamespage> most of the bugs are invalid but trove-common is foobar
[09:40] <lordievader> Good morning.
[12:28] <zul> jamespage:  i uploaded ceilometer rc3 last night
[12:40] <jamespage> zul, w00t
[12:40] <jamespage> is it in?
[12:42] <paranoids> hi there
[12:42] <paranoids> I'm running ubuntu14.04 want to use vlan interfaces
[12:42] <paranoids> vlan's everytime get renamed by udev
[12:42] <paranoids> how to prevent the renaming of the vlan interfaces?
[12:42] <paranoids> systemd-udevd[488]: renamed network interface vlan100 to rename4
[12:45] <zul> jamespage:  i think so
[12:46] <zul> jamespage:  nope
[13:15] <zul> jamespage:  ceilometer has been accepted
[14:37] <jrwren> can you specify minimum version to apt-get
[14:37] <jrwren> e.g. apt-get install libssl1.0.0>=1.0.1-4ubuntu5.12
[14:37] <jrwren> I'd like to be able to do that, but it seems i cannot :(
[14:40] <zul> jamespage:  did trove got accepted this morning?
[14:40] <patdk-wk> why does it matter?
[14:41] <patdk-wk> apt-get will always get the newest version
[14:41] <patdk-wk> assuming you know how to do apt-get update
[14:43] <zul> jamespage:  duh...nm
[14:50] <rbasak> jamespage, beisner: http://sources.debian.net/src/apache2/2.4.9-1/debian/apache2.NEWS is a good reference for apache2 upgrades, could we link to that in the release notes?
[14:50] <rbasak> I can't find a suitable launchpad link - the UDD branch for apache2 is out of date.
[14:52] <beisner> rbasak, sounds sane to me.  a good reference indeed for bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/1308570
[14:52] <jrwren> patdk-wk: the use case is that I've not run apt-get upgrade, nor will I and the package in question is already installed.
[14:54] <patdk-wk> I don't get the usecase
[14:54] <patdk-wk> dpkg -l libssl1.0.0
[14:54] <patdk-wk> isn't enough?
[14:55] <jrwren> does "apt-get install pkgname" upgrade that pkg even if it is already installed.  I guess it does and I didn't realize it.
[14:55] <patdk-wk> yes, it does :)
[14:55] <jrwren> patdk-wk: looking for something I can do in an entirely automated way.
[14:55] <xevwork> With ufw, can I limit ssh from all IPs *except* a specific CIDR mask?
[14:55] <patdk-wk> that is what I do when I want to upgrade one thing, but not the rest, yet
[14:55] <jrwren> patdk-wk: its what I do to, as of now :)
[14:55] <jamespage> rbasak, good idea
[14:56] <jamespage> rbasak, could you add that to the release notes
[15:01] <rbasak> jamespage: nack. Sorry, I have to run, and I'm not sure I'll be back in time :-/
[15:09] <jamespage> rbasak, np - I'll pop something in
[15:23] <jamespage> roaksoax, smoser: what do we want to highlight in the maas section
[15:23] <smoser> link ?
[15:24] <smoser> roaksoax, i think we want to highlight further improvements to fast path install. additional power types.
[15:30] <jamespage> smoser, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseNotes
[15:32] <jamespage> zul, trove went in automatically :-)
[15:38] <DavidBorg> Anyone have tips for Ubuntu Server as data mining crawler?
[15:44] <stetho> Hi all. I've got a couple of servers with dual NICs on them. Until recently I've been installing my servers from USB sticks and configuring them manually or Chef. I now want to PXE Boot them and automate everything and there's one aspect that's got me stumped. As part of the install process I install ifenslave and set up active/failover bonding on the interfaces. Getting to the question - I can't figure out how to add AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:11 and AA:BB:CC:DD
[15:44] <stetho> :EE:22 to my DHCP server so the machine gets the correct IP at startup regardless of which port is active.
[15:45] <jrwren> stetho: isc dhcp server?
[15:46] <jrwren> stetho: if isc dhcp, look for host blocks in config & use hardware ethernet & fixed-address
[15:46] <stetho> In DNSMasq, for example, you can set dhcp-host=AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:11,AA:BB:CC:DD:EE:22,<IP_ADDRESS> and both interfaces will be offered <IP_ADDRESS> - if you do that in ISC-DHCP it complains about it.
[15:47] <stetho> jrwen: Sorry - I was just typing that ^ :-) Yes, it is. It complains about their being two hosts called server1 (for example).
[15:47] <zul> jamespage:  yeah duh i suck ;)
[15:48] <jamespage> zul, it might not now - I think everything is on manual review
[15:48] <DavidBorg> Is there a way to have my server crawl the web and download data?
[15:48] <jrwren> stetho: i don't know that the hostname tehre matters at all. just name them -1 and -2 ?
[15:48] <DavidBorg> Automatically
[15:49] <jrwren> DavidBorg: yes, you must write code for that.
[15:49] <jrwren> DavidBorg: unless you just want wget --mirror
[15:49] <DavidBorg> I don't know how to crawl and download - I have a LAMP server and everything is operating.
[15:49] <DavidBorg> Can you tell me what type of code I would need to use, jrwren?
[15:49] <DavidBorg> Thanks for helping, btw
[15:50] <stetho> jrwren: But then the server will have the wrong name.
[15:51] <stetho> Actually, it might not.
[15:51] <jrwren> stetho: use cloud-init and set the hostname to whatever you want :)
[15:51] <jrwren> DavidBorg: no, i can't tell you.
[15:52] <stetho> I was just thinking something similar. The server is using use-host-decl-names which is probably what's breaking it to begin with.
[15:56] <Elfuego_> Hi, Im having some problems with UbuntuServer + PlexServer in a VM and getting out of memory errors
[15:56] <Elfuego_> Anyone have any idea - I seem to be using 2-3x more CPU/RAM resources than I was with win7
[16:10] <mand0> Elfuego_, what are the specs? is it more than Plex recommends?
[17:46] <delinquentme> so I was trying to install nodejs without using sudo ... and I ran sudo chown -R $USER /usr/bin  hoping that it would give me the permissions I needed to install without sudo
[17:46] <delinquentme> now I cant install anything ... and I get this "sudo: must be setuid root"
[17:47] <delinquentme> $ sudo chown -R $USER /usr/bin  << this is the command which I ran, that I think is breaking things
[17:47] <sarnold> delinquentme: you are in for a wonderful learning experience. :)
[17:47] <sarnold> delinquentme: do you have any root shells open right now?
[17:47] <delinquentme> sarnold, nope just a single one
[17:49] <delinquentme> So if I gather correctly I have no accounts which can access that file .  Since I dont have a second root shell open  ... I'm going to need to do some digging to get it back.
[17:49] <sarnold> delinquentme: did you set a root password? try /bin/su
[17:49] <delinquentme> sudo chown -R $USER /usr/bin/su ?
[17:50] <sarnold> delinquentme: your sudo is completely broken. it will not function.
[17:50] <sarnold> delinquentme: I am hoping that your 'su' is not yet broken, but you might not be able to use it if you don't have a root password
[17:50] <delinquentme> /bin/su >> authentication failure
[17:50] <sarnold> delinquentme: drat.
[17:51] <delinquentme> yeah no root password ... only a primary account
[17:51] <delinquentme> TLDR reinstall ?
[17:51] <pmatulis> recovery session
[17:52] <sarnold> delinquentme: okay, as I see it, your best option to fix this is pretty brutal -- use sysrq to umount, sync, and reboot; add "single" to your kernel command line at the grub menu to boot into a rescue environment; then you'll want to run "chown -R root /usr/bin/*" -- then sync, reboot, and then we can fix up the few files that shouldn't be owned by root
[17:53] <sarnold> delinquentme: oh, I'm sorry, that would be "chown -R root /usr/bin"
[17:54] <justizin> is it just me, or does trusty not have openssl 1.0.1g?!
[17:55] <sarnold> justizin: trusty does not. we backported the security fix to trusty's openssl.
[17:55] <delinquentme> kk going down for reboot =/
[17:55] <sarnold> delinquentme: good luck :)
[17:55] <justizin> sarnold: ah ok.
[17:55] <justizin> right.  duh.
[17:55] <justizin> heh.
[17:55] <pmatulis> justizin: i didn't think trusty was affected
[17:55] <pmatulis> http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-2165-1/
[17:55] <sarnold> justizin: we weren't about to make a change that drastic so close to release, we just wanted the security bug fixed
[17:55] <justizin> pmatulis: trusty doesn’t release until tomorrow, so it wouldn’t get an advisory
[17:55] <sarnold> pmatulis: we don't bother including the devel release in USNs, but we do make sure the security bugs get fixed :)
[17:56] <justizin> sarnold: totally
[17:56] <pmatulis> justizin: true dat
[17:56] <justizin> in other news: TRUSTY! :D
[17:56]  * justizin has been using it for a while here and there in non-critical roles and test environments
[17:58] <justizin> it’s like precise, but without having to upgrade all kinds of stuff from ppas!
[17:58] <sarnold> success! :)
[18:01] <delinquentme> laptop isnt on fire !
[18:02] <delinquentme> I feel so bad ... brand new laptop .. brand new install
[18:02] <sarnold> delinquentme: awesome :)
[18:02] <delinquentme> =[ poor thing. but ok! ran the commands
[18:02] <delinquentme> sudo apt-get update >> sudo: must be setuid root
[18:02] <justizin> oof.
[18:02] <sarnold> delinquentme: aw damn. I forgot that the setuid bit would be dropped.
[18:03] <sarnold> delinquentme: but hey, you're good at the rescue shell now :)
[18:03] <delinquentme> I booted into recovery console as root .. ran the chown
[18:03] <delinquentme> ^_^;;
[18:03] <delinquentme> so I need to give it a new setuid ?
[18:04] <sarnold> delinquentme: yeah; reboot into the rescue shell again and run chmod 04755 /usr/bin/sudo
[18:04] <sarnold> it should look like this when you're done:
[18:04] <sarnold> -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 155008 Feb 10 11:16 /usr/bin/sudo
[18:05] <sarnold> (note especially the 's' in the permissions)
[18:05] <delinquentme> deal
[18:09] <delinquentme> kk ran that
[18:09] <Havenstance2> does anyone know how to make truecrypt auto mount the favorite volumes at system boot?
[18:10] <delinquentme> I dont think that did it ...no s
[18:11] <delinquentme> sarnold, where go from here?
[18:11] <sarnold> delinquentme: no luck? what does ls -l /usr/bin/sudo look like?
[18:12] <delinquentme> -rwxr-xr-x 2 lilith root 71288 Mar 11 05:24 /usr/bin/sudo
[18:12] <delinquentme> and I believe I'm rebooting correctly into the recovery console via grub ... and the user is set as root
[18:13] <sarnold> delinquentme: hrm, it's still not owned by root, either.
[18:13] <sarnold> delinquentme: does the rescue environment say something like "your old root is mounted at ..." or something similar?
[18:13] <delinquentme> I dont believe so
[18:13] <delinquentme> mount -o rw,remount /; chown -R root:root /usr/bin
[18:13] <delinquentme> was recommended in #ubuntu
[18:15] <sarnold> could be, I haven't used the rescue environment in ages, maybe it isn't mounted read-write..
[18:16] <delinquentme> I do get confirmations that the permissions are changed ...
[18:16] <delinquentme> kk rebooting
[18:20] <delinquentme> $ ls -l /usr/bin/sudo >> -rwxr-xr-x 2 lilith root 71288 Mar 11 05:24 /usr/bin/sudo
[18:21] <delinquentme> still no sudo after running $ rw, remount /; chown -R root:root /usr/bin
[18:22] <sarnold> delinquentme: well, maybe try just chown root:root /usr/bin/sudo -- let's get -something- back..
[18:23] <delinquentme> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2158822
[18:23] <delinquentme> looks like this outlines it pretty well
[18:24] <delinquentme> brbz!
[18:29] <posthuman> hello, i installed courier-imap-ssl on exim4  and allowed port 993  but i cant use imap+ssl on thunderbird anyway
[18:29] <posthuman> 143 works great but nothing else
[18:31] <delinquentme> -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 71288 Mar 11 05:24 /usr/bin/sudo
[18:31] <delinquentme> so I think the user is at least correct
[18:31] <sarnold> delinquentme: half-way there :) woo
[18:32] <delinquentme> I mean if worse comes to worse I plan on upgrading to 14.04 stat
[18:32] <delinquentme> sooooo
[18:32] <sarnold> delinquentme: re-do the rescue system and soforth, then run: chmod 04755 /usr/bin/sudo
[18:32] <delinquentme> lets break things
[18:32] <sarnold> delinquentme: these skills are wonderful to have, so when SHTF for real, you'll be familiar with how to piece things back together from a dozen little pieces :)
[18:33] <delinquentme> haha true! Oh also FYI sarnold apparently the filesystem is default in read only in recovery
[18:33] <delinquentme> so you've got to $ mount -o rw,remount /;
[18:33] <delinquentme> BRB!
[18:33] <sarnold> delinquentme: cool! :)
[18:37] <delinquentme> check!  done w those ... now what file system objects should we be checking permissions on now?
[18:39] <sarnold> delinquentme_: sweet!
[18:39] <delinquentme_> kk cool got laptop #2 up and running
[18:39] <delinquentme> ill just sit with the other one in the recovery console
[18:39] <sarnold> delinquentme_: so, the forum post had some files that weren't owned root:root -- and I pasted a few, much overlap
[18:39] <sarnold> delinquentme_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7262855/
[18:40] <sarnold> delinquentme_: you'll also need to fix the setuid bits on the other files -- that forum post had some
[18:41] <delinquentme_> so I need to set all of the permissions according to this
[18:41] <sarnold> delinquentme_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7263043/
[18:41] <sarnold> delinquentme_: those are from my system
[18:42] <delinquentme_> yeah so I have zero
[18:43] <sarnold> delinquentme_: once you've fixed those up, install the debsums package and run debsums -s
[18:43] <delinquentme> so chmod 04755 for those files?
[18:44] <sarnold> delinquentme_: some of them will be 02755 and some will be 06755
[18:44] <delinquentme_> it looks like daemon is the only 06755 right?
[18:45] <delinquentme_> nm nm nm
[18:45] <sarnold> delinquentme_: at, procmail, and X on my system
[18:48] <delinquentme_> so I dont have a /usr/bin/daemon dir
[18:49] <delinquentme_> OR lpadmin OR mail
[18:49] <sarnold> delinquentme_: time for me to run :) you're very nearly back together. nice work. :)
[18:49] <delinquentme_> those are good things?
[19:29] <delinquentme_> sarnold, any idea between the two of these I should prefer?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/7263043/  http://paste.ubuntu.com/7262855/
[19:30] <delinquentme_> they've got some differing permissions
[19:38] <delinquentme_> YES.
[19:38] <delinquentme_> FIXED IT.
[20:13] <funcoland1> can anyone here tell me why "d-i partman/unmount_active boolean true" isn't being honored by the trusty installer?
[20:14] <funcoland1> i have to go and hit the enter button every time i install and it goes through just fine.. but the above command is supposed to do it for me :-/
[22:04] <jtran> anyone ever seen an issue in which after setting an /etc/network/interfaces  with a stanza for bond1.2002 and specify a gateway,the gateway line disappears after a reboot?
[22:51] <amriunix> guys i need to ask how to setup a mail server on my ubuntu server VPS !!!


[00:00] <ochosi> Unit193: yup
[08:36] <flocculant> bluesabre: were you expecting iso to have both gnome- and mate- stuff at the moment?
[11:38] <knome> http://www.strawpoll.me/14263444/r
[11:39] <knome> that was the poll created by the person on the ML
[11:39] <knome> not a big group of respondents, but very animous
[11:39] <knome> bbl
[12:52] <ochosi> knome: thats sorta what i would have expected... can of worms and cant get it right
[12:56] <flocculant> :)
[14:08] <bluesabre> flocculant: should just be gnome atm
[14:09] <bluesabre> until I do another upload
[14:15] <bluesabre> Suppose I can go ahead and do that and we can work on packaging improvements with flexiondotorg as we go forward :)
[14:15] <flocculant> :)
[14:15] <flocculant> today the iso has evince, file-roller and gnome-calc
[14:15] <flocculant> plus the 3 new ones obviously :)
[14:16] <flocculant> anyway - thought I'd let you know
[14:17] <Unit193> bluesabre: Don't forget at-spi-core to reco?
[14:20] <bluesabre> Unit193: hm?
[14:20] <bluesabre> brb
[14:20] <bluesabre> flocculant: didn't expect the 3 new ones to be there
[14:28] <flocculant> heh - bonus then :p
[14:37] <jbicha> bluesabre: yeah, I think the iso builds pull from the seeds even if the metapackage hasn't been uploaded yet
[14:46] <flocculant> ochosi: just a thought - but power plugin for on AC - why not just use the standard AC symbol?
[14:56] <bluesabre> jbicha: aha, that explains that then :)
[15:20] <bluesabre> flocculant, just did the necessary uploads... should land soon and the next iso should just have the mate apps and associated config updates
[15:21] <bluesabre> flocculant, so the next build would be a good time to spot check for any weirdness with keyboard shortcuts, archives, and PDF docs
[15:22] <bluesabre> Unit193: what was the question with at-spi-core?
[15:25] <flocculant> bluesabre: ack that - will have a look tomorrow evening then
[15:49] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-default-settings:: [trunk] r649 Release 18.04.1 (by Sean Davis)
[16:20] <bluesabre> Unit193: now that we have https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce/commit/d9f3446ca529066e9390ca3bcf82830ebf76c398, want to poke the packaging for  [xubuntu-dev] elementary-xfce: Split packaging for distribution improvements: TODO
[17:05] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [shimmer-themes-debian] r19 Sort install, add gnome-shell and plank (by Sean Davis)
[18:42] <flexiondotorg> bluesabre Just let me know what you need regarding packaging 😀
[18:42] <flexiondotorg> So far all MATE packaging goes to Debian and sync to Ubuntu. Should be possible to retain that.
[18:51] <bluesabre> flexiondotorg: definitely, will have some suggestions sometime early this week
[20:02] <ochosi> flocculant: first of all, there is no standard AC symbol (i only created one for our icon theme) and secondly, upower does not tell you that a system is a desktop. i have to "guess" that based on: 1) there is no battery, 2) there is no lid
[20:05] <flocculant> ochosi: beg to differ - have a look on the back of any of your mains electrical things - living roon, bedroom, kitchen, garage - do they not have ~ there saying the voltage and frequency?
[20:05] <flocculant> pretty much standard AC symbol
[20:06] <flocculant> but if you can't get that info from something - then I guess its a moot point
[20:06] <flocculant> s/not have a ~
[20:06] <ochosi> ok, maybe there was a misunderstanding
[20:06] <flocculant> yea :)
[20:06] <ochosi> there is no "ac-adapter" icon in the freedesktop.org icon naming spec
[20:07] <ochosi> and nothing like that in gnome's adwaita icon theme
[20:07] <ochosi> i have no idea what gnome-shell does on a desktop system
[20:07] <flocculant> right - that I can believe - though odd why it's not there
[20:07] <ochosi> maybe it shows no icon at all
[20:07] <ochosi> but anyhow, that's only the one part
[20:07] <ochosi> the second part is that the middleware that we're relying on (UPower), does not tell you that a system is a desktop or laptop
[20:07] <flocculant> ochosi: I can boot ubuntu on hardware
[20:08] <flocculant> yup
[20:08] <ochosi> so you have to guess based on some properties
[20:08] <ochosi> and i figured those two would be fairly reliable
[20:08] <flocculant> yea - pretty much would agree
[20:11] <ochosi> "back in the day" of xfpm 1.4 we had our own icon name spec
[20:12] <ochosi> xfpm-battery-090.png etc
[20:12] <ochosi> annoying to maintain and almost no icon theme supporting it
[20:12] <ochosi> (but it used to be the same with gpm-battery-090.png etc)
[20:12] <ochosi> now that we switched to upower icon names directly this means all icon themes will work
[20:12] <ochosi> but we also "inherit" this ac-adapter thing
[20:13] <ochosi> so if you could boot to ubuntu from hw (or even vm, cause that also should report as desktop system) that would help
[20:14] <flocculant> booting vm then
[20:14] <ochosi> thanks a bunch
[20:15] <flocculant> np
[20:16] <ochosi> oh wait, there *is* an ac-adapter icon
[20:16] <ochosi> at least in adwaita
[20:16] <ochosi> but it's a battery symbol with a flash inside
[20:16] <ochosi> hmpf
[20:16] <knome> lol
[20:16] <knome> not that it means it's used...?
[20:17] <ochosi> yeah, it doesn't mean that
[20:17] <ochosi> i'll have to check gpm's sourcecode i gues...
[20:19] <flocculant> ochosi: doesn't appear to be something I can turn on to check
[20:20] <ochosi> lol https://github.com/GNOME/gnome-shell/blob/master/js/ui/status/power.js#L116
[20:20] <knome> yep
[20:20] <ochosi> bastards just use a random other icon
[20:20] <knome> ;)
[20:20] <ochosi> even though they also maintain upower..
[20:20] <knome> at least you know how they handle the "no battery" situation now...
[20:21] <ochosi> to be frank that is not a meaningful icon
[20:21] <ochosi> http://i.imgur.com/FXVFF7n.png
[20:21] <ochosi> i mean pff
[20:21] <knome> hah
[20:21] <knome> that's boo
[20:21] <ochosi> if we put that in the panel, we better position it correctly, or it'll be spectacularly misleading
[20:22] <knome> yes
[20:22] <knome> please no
[20:22] <knome> not that
[20:22] <knome> i use it for xfce4-session-logout
[20:22] <knome> because obvious reasons...
[20:22] <ochosi> so i think i'll have to draw and include a proper ac-adapter icon for elementary-xfce and include/ship it with xfpm
[20:22] <ochosi> or you could draw it knome while i write the "detect desktop system" code..?
[20:22] <knome> pffft
[20:23] <knome> i'm doing xfce things now
[20:23] <flocculant> flash or ~ makes more sense than a power button icon ...
[20:23] <knome> i have that plug with flash now
[20:23] <knome> that's good.
[20:24] <ochosi> yeah - i drew that back in the day
[20:24] <ochosi> i guess i can try to make a symbolic version of it for now
[20:38] <flocculant> what's a symbolic version of an ac symbol - a power station :p
[20:41] <ochosi> a cable + plug with a flash on it?
[20:41] <flocculant> makes sense
[20:42] <flocculant> lot to fit in though
[20:43] <flocculant> anyway - happy to test whatever you want whenever you want
[20:43] <flocculant> night peeps
[20:58] <ochosi> flocculant: gone already?