[04:28] <thafreak> just picked up my raspberry pi from the ups store
[04:28] <thafreak> now to boot this thing up...need to find an sd card first I guess...
[04:31] <canthus13> Nice. :)
[04:35] <toddc> class 4 works better FYI
[04:36] <thafreak> 4 psh...imma get a class 10
[04:37] <thafreak> actually, I had a class 6 in my netbook, which I'm replacing with a tiny tiny usb disk instead...so I'll just use that I think
[04:39] <toddc> in the Raspberry forum I read that class 10 was set up for large file (jpg) and class 4 had the best speed for lots of read/writes on the Rasp
[04:39] <toddc> 6 should work for testing and I cannot remember how they rated with out reading it again
[04:41] <thafreak> really...so the slower rated cards are faster in the pi?
[04:41] <thafreak> weird
[04:42] <toddc> new one are better for cameras not R/W of small files when running a PC
[05:58] <thafreak> ok...time to try to boot this bad boy
[05:59] <toddc> is holding his breath :)
[06:37] <thafreak> well, blows the pants off my NSLU2, that's for sure, and it's better than my pogo plug I'd say
[06:37] <thafreak> lxde looks nice on it...and runs quite well...
[06:37] <thafreak> will mess with it more tomorrow
[06:37] <thafreak> so far, very promising...might even be my new "always on" desktop, from which I keep ssh sessions open to everywhere
[14:11] <thafreak> This is why I love virtual machines so much:
[14:11] <thafreak> doug@throwaway-dbserver:~$
[16:48] <cpatel> helllo
[16:49] <dzho> hello
[16:53] <cpatel> How are you
[16:56] <dzho> not bad, thanks.  You?
[16:56] <cpatel> Cant complain
[16:56] <dzho> good to hear.
[17:04] <cpatel> Another long day, halfway through
[19:48]  * skellat wonders how hard it would be to set up a keysigning in say Mentor for folks from Ashtabula, Lake, Geagua, and Cuyahoga counties
[19:51] <paultag> skellat: I'll be at OLF, it'd be awesome if we could have that mesh up
[19:53] <skellat> This does not bode well: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at4+shtml/152333.shtml?5-daynl?large#contents
[19:53] <canthus13> skellat: Heh.
[19:53] <skellat> Well, at least it won't be hitting during the weekend of OLF!
[19:53] <canthus13> skellat: I have a friend right on the western edge of the area it's supposed to strike.
[19:54] <skellat> canthus13: It is going to be a mess
[19:54] <skellat> Again
[19:54]  * canthus13 shrugs.
[19:55] <skellat> We're merely human and certainly not masters of our domain
[19:55] <skellat> Weather modification remains something consigned to ST:TNG
[19:57] <canthus13> Meh. SOme people just don't have the sense to not make a home in a known disaster area.
[19:58] <skellat> canthus13: Well, Ashtabula County isn't much better in that regard.  We get dumped on with heavy amounts of water each water.  Unlike along the Gulf of Mexico, we can shovel the snow and haul it to dump into Lake Erie.
[19:59] <canthus13> skellat: You also have decent drainage and don't flood out like they do around the Platt river when it melts.
[20:00] <skellat> No, that's a problem around the Chagrin River in Lake, Geagua, and Cuyahoga counties at the end of winter...they get ice flow and flooding as the river defrosts
[20:02] <skellat> Thankfully I'm uphill from Fields Brook, one of the most heavily contaminated bodies of water that flow into the Ashtabula River then Lake Erie.
[20:03] <skellat> canthus13: Where you do you call "home" these days?
[20:05] <canthus13> Toledo.
[20:08] <skellat> canthus13: Ah, you haven't left NW OH then.
[20:08] <canthus13> Nope. still stuck here.
[20:10] <skellat> Ah, okay.
[20:10]  * canthus13 is trying to make his way towards your area, actually.
[20:13] <skellat> I will say the job market here in Ashtabula County is rather hideous unless you are an experienced welder or a medical professional.  This area is becoming more and more of a bedroom community.
[20:13]  * canthus13 nods.
[20:13] <canthus13> I wouldn't move there without a plan.
[20:14] <skellat> That'll be essential
[20:22] <canthus13> paultag: Check this out... http://stunt.io/
[20:23] <paultag> canthus13: Oh! I remember reading about this! :)
[20:23] <canthus13> paultag: In a nutshell, a MUD server mashed up with a web server.
[20:23]  * canthus13 always loved LambdaMOO.
[20:23] <paultag> rockn' stuff
[20:23]  * canthus13 has a MOO server running on that DL380 right now...
[20:24] <paultag> yeah?
[20:24] <canthus13> yeah.


[12:23] <ubotu> New bug: #110472 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "openoffice crash with ATI fglrx when 3D accelerator enabled and composite disabled" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110472
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #77073 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "xorg-driver-fglrx dependent on xserver-xorg" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77073
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #77134 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "ATI drivers 8.28.8 crashes 3D games" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77134
[12:35] <ubotu> New bug: #77153 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "Error building fglrx modules with <IP_ADDRESS> on edgy" [Undecided,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77153
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #77420 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "fglrx module won't build on feisty (dup-of: 77153)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77420
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #77957 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "[Feisty]  Regression: X freezes on 2.6.20 with fglrx" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/77957
[01:00] <ubotu> New bug: #76338 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "Linux Restricted modules 2.6.20-2 are incompatable with X4100 Mobility. (dup-of: 85907)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76338
[01:00] <ubotu> New bug: #83602 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) ""no screen found" with fglrx; just dist-upgraded from edgy to feisty (dup-of: 85907)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83602
[01:00] <ubotu> New bug: #83958 in Baltix (restricted) "outdated and dangerous description in/for xorg-driver-fglrx" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83958
[01:25] <ubotu> New bug: #120939 in libx11 "X11 warnings after upgrade when moving windows" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120939
[02:41] <ubotu> New bug: #44983 in Ubuntu "Random connection drops from the xserver" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44983
[06:15] <ubotu> New bug: #121194 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "not enough VideoRam allocated" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121194
[07:00] <ubotu> New bug: #118898 in xorg (main) "Desktop pulldown "Applications/Office" has reference to "Evolution" after I removed Evolution" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118898
[07:01] <ubotu> New bug: #120509 in xorg (main) "Gutsy upgrade from Feisty leaves Feisty Docs in System / About Ubuntu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120509
[07:55] <bryce> new fglrx for testing:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Testing/
[07:55] <bryce> not sure I packaged it correctly; advice appreciated
[09:46] <ubotu> New bug: #98684 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "Switching users (switch user) blank screen on fglrx (ATI driver)" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/98684
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #94849 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "System hangs on restart/shutdown with current fglrx driver loaded!" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94849
[09:50] <ubotu> New bug: #96279 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 (restricted) "ati driver update for (X1300 e.q.)" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96279
[10:56] <ubotu> New bug: #121233 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) ""errors found in hardware state" after VT switch" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121233


[08:05] <jbicha> mdke: I switched ubuntu-docs over to yelp-tools and it appears to build a whole lot faster


[02:27] <ScottK> RAOF: I'd have said it's a really odd interface that's at fault (and yes, I did file a bug about this)
[03:03] <RAOF> ScottK: I rather thought I *did* blame it on the odd interface, but perhaps I was too roundabout about it :)
[03:04] <ScottK> OK.
[09:31] <evaluate> Is there a way I can get more permissions on launchpad for a specific package?
[09:31] <evaluate> I for example can't mark a bug as 'Won't fix'...
[09:32] <evaluate> although I guess this might belong on #launchpad
[09:34] <tumbleweed> evaluate: you need to join Ubuntu Bug Control. MOTUs are automatically members. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl
[09:37] <evaluate> I am not a MOTU, I'll go through that wiki and see what I need to do. Thanks!
[18:21] <hakermania> I need testers :P Does this outputs your wireless interface? : http://paste.ubuntu.com/611500/
[18:46] <arand> hannesw: my output is eth0, i.e: not
[18:47] <arand> hannesw: sorry meant for hakermania


[15:29] <j0h> *Waves Sword Furriously*
[15:29] <j0h> *Drops swords*
[15:30] <j0h> *Nearly Impales self*
[15:30] <j0h> Maine USA in here!


[09:38] <darkxst> attente, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/gnome-settings-daemon/ubuntu/revision/413
[13:54] <ari-tczew> do we want to have epiphany-browser 3.8.2 in saucy?
[13:55] <jbicha> ari-tczew: epiphany 3.8 won't build without webkitgtk 2 which is bug 1186558 and is blocked by bug 1163886
[13:55] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1186558 in webkit (Ubuntu) "Please sync webkitgtk 2.0.4 from Debian" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1186558
[13:55] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1163886 in software-center (Ubuntu) "software-center crashed with signal 5 with WebKit 2.0+" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1163886
[13:57] <ari-tczew> jbicha: ok
[13:59] <ari-tczew> jbicha: do you use gnome on saucy?
[14:00] <jbicha> yes
[14:01] <ari-tczew> jbicha: can you confirm this rc bug on saucy, as well? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=705665
[14:01] <ubot2`> Debian bug 705665 in epiphany-browser "epiphany-browser is missing button icons!" [Serious,Fixed]
[14:02] <jbicha> oh I'm pretty sure it affects saucy too but I wouldn't call it RC
[14:03] <jbicha> it would be rather unusual for someone to have epiphany-browser installed but not gnome-icon-theme-symbolic
[14:05] <ari-tczew> jbicha: minor bug, but would be nice to fix it, what do you think?
[14:06] <jbicha> yes


[13:21] <studio-user698> hi world, after upgrade to last version > i have no sound . alsa modules are loaded, lspci show me the sound card but no sound card are visible . jack fail to start, alsamixer does not too.
[13:23] <studio-user698> (and sudo poweroff) does not actualy poweroff the computer (but the sound card problem is the most important :)
[13:30] <studio-user698> i made a apt --purge and reinstall alsa-base .. but still same situation,
[14:16] <OvenWerks> studio-user698: The power off thing is probably related to moving from int/upstart to systemd.
[14:17] <OvenWerks> studio-user698: the audio card thing is not something I have had a problem with. Did you actually use the upgrade path as oposed to reinstall?
[14:44] <studio-user698> OvenWerks, hi,  i made a upgrade from the 16.04 up to date to 18.04, actually the computer is laptop with no screen (broken and no graphic card (broken too)  i have a headless vnc server in order to access it. so it is quite painfull to perom a reinstall, i really wish to solve this sound card problem without have to do it.
[14:44] <OvenWerks> I can understand that.
[14:44] <OvenWerks> which audio card are you using?
[14:45] <OvenWerks> intenal?
[14:45] <studio-user698> lspci  | grep -i audio says> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[14:46] <studio-user698> lsmod | grep snd say > https://framabin.org/?1bb6625ebf2c417d#smpGxSIVje5RNwGbgioH5E1pLHpAsWrdtzgF2DqEqbU=
[14:46] <OvenWerks> Ah that seems like more than you got last time. (above)
[14:47] <studio-user698> i have change the kernel low latency to the generic one ... but no change.
[14:47] <OvenWerks> aplay -l
[14:48] <studio-user698> no device found
[14:48] <studio-user698> i m going to try to downgrade kernel. take some while :)
[14:48] <OvenWerks> the lowlatency kernel is the same as the generic with one config change
[14:49] <OvenWerks> The kernel seems to have loaded the correct modules
[14:50] <studio-user698> jackd says >  ERROR: control open "hw:0" (No such file or directory)
[14:50] <OvenWerks> if aplay doesn't see it jack won't either
[14:51] <studio-user698> dmesg show some . error message > but i don t have skill to understand it
[14:52] <OvenWerks> you can try giving me a link to a paste... I don't know if I will be any better tough.
[14:53] <OvenWerks> intel HDA is the best tested module that I can tell.
[14:53] <studio-user698> https://framabin.org/?58990a4f90624356#hKM0A8Rb+kJ4Jx07Wah54csWDTgXrKQ9dBR9I5vmhFQ=
[14:53] <studio-user698> look fore the string "Call trace"
[14:53] <studio-user698> (by the way thanks for answering :) )
[14:55] <studio-user698> it seems to be related to graphic ..
[14:55] <studio-user698> nouveau ... not the sound card.
[15:00] <OvenWerks> nouveau certainly fails b ut the system seems to go on. The networks crivers get loaded and I think you are accessing via network.
[15:01] <studio-user698> sure, wireless and wire network works both well. all seems ok but the soundcard
[15:02] <studio-user698>  /etc/default/speech-dispatcher have RUN=no ..
[15:04] <studio-user698>  systemd-udevd[340]: seq 2213 '/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.0' is taking a long time
[15:04] <studio-user698> systemd-udevd[340]: seq 2213 '/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.0' killed
[15:04] <studio-user698>  systemd-udevd[340]: worker [359] terminated by signal 9 (KILL)
[15:04] <studio-user698>  systemd-udevd[340]: worker [359] failed while handling '/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.0
[15:04] <studio-user698> i see this in journalctl
[15:06] <OvenWerks> sudo alsa force-reload
[15:07] <studio-user698> did it .. no change
[15:09] <OvenWerks> I wonder if xorg can be forced to use svga instead of the nvidia driver
[15:11] <studio-user698> actually i use this > and i can connect with vncviewer > https://framabin.org/?46052ebd60312579#xUTb/vwk/ghhFNCnCSubrZnw87DH9m/hyyq3of8vkVU=
[15:11] <studio-user698> with ligthdm disable.
[15:11] <studio-user698> it works quite well
[15:12] <studio-user698> (it is tightvncserver)
[15:13] <OvenWerks> what happens if you start with nomodeset?
[15:13] <studio-user698> as kernel parameter you mean ?
[15:13] <studio-user698> let me try. (going to takk some time ..)
[15:15] <studio-user698> nomodeset seems to be related to graphic card
[15:15] <studio-user698> i have no problem with it . it is realy broken !
[15:19] <studio-user698> OvenWerks, going to look more after, by the way thanks fot you time, i have to go now ! nice day|night !
[15:19] <OvenWerks> bye sorry not to be more help.
[20:05] <davim> dads


[07:58] <alkisg> Good morning
[13:38] <atomic007za> hi
[13:42] <atomic007za> does the edubuntu DVD come with ltsp built in like 9.04 where you pressed f4/f6 and do the ltsp install?
[13:46] <alkisg> Not exactly, it now has live ltsp and it can also be installed from within the graphical installer
[13:47] <atomic007za> ausome thx
[14:01] <atomic007za> whats the name of 10.04?
[14:02] <alkisg> Lucid Lynx
[14:07] <atomic007za> thx
[14:46] <mhall119> highvoltage: Qimo 2 will be officially released tonight (US Eastern Time)
[15:00] <highvoltage> mhall119: oh cool! I can blog about it tomorrow if you want
[15:01] <mhall119> cool, cause I'm linking to your blog in the announcement
[18:18] <mhall119> Qimo 2.0 is officially out!
[18:18] <mhall119> Read the announcement here: http://qimo4kids.com/post/Qimo-20-is-now-available!.aspx
[18:39] <bencrisford> mhall119: :D!
[22:18] <highvoltage> mhall119: tweeted and dented
[23:35] <atomic007za> .
[23:35] <atomic007za> .
[23:37] <ish> Is it possible to go from ubuntu to edubuntu without a reinstall?


[02:25] <duflu> jamesh, got there in the end: https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/pulseaudio/commit/?h=ubuntu&id=32482472909212177ed924ee3f5e7ac3e6c96f94
[02:25] <duflu> Although, could I have tagged an earlier rev??
[02:26] <duflu> Yes. I could have gone for the second-last one :P
[02:26]  * duflu fixes
[02:30] <duflu> jamesh, now tagged correctly :) https://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/pulseaudio
[03:07] <jamesh> duflu: it'd be good to get that repo working with git-buildpackage again.  I can pull in the data from debian's pristine-tar and upstream branches as a start, but we don't have data for the 12.2 release
[03:08] <duflu> jamesh, yeah that was always my plan
[03:08] <duflu> As I said last week
[03:17] <duflu> Although I don't like using git extensions myself, when we rebase you should have that option again
[03:18] <jamesh> the "gbp pq" commands were really useful in updating the patches though
[03:20] <jamesh> being able to import the patch queue to a git branch, edit individual patches with "git rebase -i", then export them back to patches again was a decent workflow
[03:21] <duflu> Fair enough. I'm a purist though, and my muscle memory for git + quilt is good enough
[03:23] <duflu> I would have waited longer for Debian to get to 12.2 but I could tell Seb didn't love that idea
[07:15] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:21] <jibel> bonjour oSoMoN
[07:23] <seb128> lut les frenchies
[07:23] <seb128> en forme ?
[07:23] <seb128> (&good morning desktopers)
[07:23] <jibel> Salut seb128, ça va ça va et toi?
[07:24] <seb128> ouais, nickel!
[07:24] <oSoMoN> salut jibel & seb128
[07:24] <oSoMoN> pas beaucoup dormi, mais ça va
[07:25] <seb128> ah, le manque de sommeil cronique :/
[07:28] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN, jibel
[07:28] <duflu>  /les frenchies/
[07:33] <oSoMoN> bonjour duflu
[07:34] <seb128> duflu, your gdm regression, did you mention it to Trevinho & Laney?
[07:35] <duflu> seb128, they have not yet been awake since the bugs were created
[07:35] <duflu> today
[07:35] <seb128> k
[07:35] <seb128> did you pinpoint the issue to a specific update? e.g did you try downgrading gdm?
[07:36] <duflu> Also, I want to give myself a chance to clear out any gitlab conversations before returning to those again
[07:36] <duflu> But I will downgrade things soon
[07:46] <jibel> oSoMoN, FYI, LTS upgrade is enabled
[07:46] <seb128> since when?
[07:47] <oSoMoN> jibel, thanks!
[07:47] <jibel> seb128, last night
[07:47] <seb128> or asked differently, did we see a spike of errors/new reports already? ;)
[07:47] <jibel> seb128, not yet
[07:56] <duflu> "What can possibly go wrong?"
[07:57] <duflu> Well, actually everything should spike. Or else the stats aren't working
[07:57] <duflu> Although there will be a delay of days/weeks too
[08:01] <Laney> hi
[08:01] <duflu> Hi
[08:05] <oSoMoN> hi Laney
[08:08] <willcooke> morning alklk
[08:08] <willcooke> geez
[08:09] <duflu> Morning willcooke
[08:09] <duflu> Is it strange I read geez in a Napolian Dynamite voice?
[08:10] <willcooke> :)
[08:10] <seb128> hey willcooke Laney, how are you?
[08:10] <willcooke> good thanks!  How about you seb128?
[08:10] <willcooke> Enjoying the cool weather?
[08:10] <seb128> I'm godd!
[08:11] <seb128> good
[08:11] <duflu> Ha
[08:12] <seb128> yeah, it's much nicer when it's not 36°C
[08:12] <Laney> hi duflu oSoMoN willcooke seb128
[08:12] <Laney> yeah iz good
[08:12] <Laney> was out pruning the lavender this morning and didn't turn into a puddle
[08:16] <willcooke> :)
[08:17] <Laney> and as a bonus everything smells great now
[08:27] <andyrock> seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~azzar1/ubuntu/+source/gnome-initial-setup/+git/gnome-initial-setup/+ref/ubuntu/master
[10:06] <duflu> Laney, all upstreamed, but I think I have killed Gitlab.
[10:06] <duflu> So that's a good place to say: good night all
[10:07] <Laney> duflu: Cheers. It's been slow for me for the past day or so too.
[10:33] <Trevinho> seb128: as for the duflu regression, I saw a mention in trello, which patch should I get back in?
[11:41] <seb128> hey Trevinho, gdm is bug #1786872 but that's probably another issue sideeffect of the change to don't let the greeter active all the time
[11:41] <seb128> Trevinho, so probably not for you, let's see what upstream says
[11:55] <Laney> https://github.com/ImageMagick/ImageMagick6/commits/master
[11:55] <Laney> such commit messages
[11:56] <seb128> hehe
[11:58] <seb128> he often writes some content in the changelog though, weird workflow
[12:23] <GunnarHj> Hello Laney, do you have time to look at the patch at bug #1786880?
[13:13] <smoser> Laney: correct me if i'm wrong.. but i think about a week later we're still stuck in about the same spot on the lubuntu-desktop migration (including software-properties). :-(.
[13:13] <smoser> the seeds have been updated, but not the meta-package.
[13:13] <smoser> running ./update from lubuntu-meta results in:
[13:13] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CJ7ZkGTcwr/
[13:14] <smoser> i don't see an obvious wy to convince it to use proposed.
[13:14] <smoser> whats the way out of here?
[13:21] <jbicha> smoser: wasn't that already handled with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/1.7
[13:22] <jbicha> I think the software-properties transition is entangled with Qt & ffmpeg
[13:25] <smoser> jbicha: yeah, you're right. i hadn't seen that... had out of date sources locally.
[13:26] <smoser> although i think quite arguably that update was wrong. as it only picked up half of the last seed change.
[13:26] <smoser>  https://git.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/lubuntu/commit/?id=28b7475723110e6b6eefa6bae16e389ffafa1777
[13:26] <smoser> due to the stuck-in-proposed.
[13:28] <smoser> it feels like there has to be some common way out of such a situation.
[13:30] <Laney> GunnarHj_: Maybe later on. It'd be easier if you would do a merge proposal though please.
[13:30] <jbicha> I just manually edit the files in that situation. Or in this case, they can just do a lubuntu-meta update after the transition
[13:31] <jibel> Meeting time folks!
[13:31] <jibel> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2018-08-14
[13:31] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug 14 13:31:20 2018 UTC.  The chair is jibel. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[13:31] <andyrock> hey hey
[13:31] <jibel> Roll call:  andyrock, dgadomski, didrocks, duflu (out), jbicha, jamesh (out), jibel, heber, kenvandine, laney, oSoMoN, seb128, tkamppeter, trevinho, robert_ancell (out)
[13:31] <oSoMoN> 🐵/
[13:32] <seb128> hey
[13:32] <jibel> #topic andyrock
[13:32] <andyrock> hey
[13:32] <heber> o/
[13:32] <andyrock> - Gnome-shell:
[13:32] <andyrock>   * Updated MR https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/162 following upstrea review
[13:32] <andyrock> - Gnome-Online-Accounts:
[13:32] <andyrock>   * Investigating if it’s possible to use login.ubuntu.com webpage in the login dialog. I’ve some idea on how to do this, but I’ll need to talk with upstream to discuss API changes
[13:32] <andyrock> - Gnome-Initial-Setup:
[13:32] <andyrock>   * MR to upload to 3.29.1
[13:32] <andyrock>   * MR to include fix for LP: #1764723 that has never been uploaded in repos
[13:32] <andyrock>   * MR to add the online accounts page to the ubuntu wizard
[13:32] <andyrock> - 3.28 -> 3.29:
[13:32] <andyrock>   * Gtk3 in debian experimental (merged)
[13:32] <andyrock>   * gtk3 for cosmic (wip)
[13:32] <andyrock>   * gnome-calculator in debian experimental (waiting for review)
[13:32] <andyrock>   * Gnome-disk-utility in debian experimental (waiting for review)
[13:32] <andyrock> - Reviews:
[13:32] <andyrock>   * https://code.launchpad.net/~muktupavels/compiz/ccsm-python3/+merge/351940/+index?ss=1
[13:32] <andyrock> - Livepatch:
[13:32] <andyrock>   * Started the work to add a reminder in update-manager
[13:33] <andyrock> EOW
[13:33] <jibel> Thanks
[13:33] <jibel> #topic dgadomski
[13:34] <seb128> andyrock, I'm looking at your items waiting for review today/tomorrow
[13:35] <jibel> no dgadomski_, didrocks is on holidays, next is
[13:35] <jibel> #topic duflu
[13:35] <jibel> * Gnome Shell performance:
[13:35] <jibel>   - Work in progress again: GPU-less picking support: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/189
[13:35] <jibel>   - Proposed a Debian update https://salsa.debian.org/gnome-team/mutter/merge_requests/13 from
[13:35] <jibel>     . https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/117
[13:35] <jibel>     . https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/168
[13:35] <jibel>     . https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/171
[13:35] <jibel> * PulseAudio:
[13:35] <jibel>   - Version 12.2 released to cosmic (thanks Seb):
[13:35] <jibel>     . https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/1:12.2-0ubuntu1
[13:35] <jibel>     . https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/1:12.2-0ubuntu2
[13:35] <jibel> * Hardware video decoding:
[13:35] <jibel>   - Upgraded mpv to version 0.29.0 from Debian:
[13:35] <jibel>     . Merged and rewrote the Ubuntu hardware acceleration fixes to work with it.
[13:35] <jibel>     . Now awaiting sponsorship: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1785993
[13:36] <jibel> * Recent Cosmic regressions:
[13:36] <jibel>   - Presently trying to figure out what went wrong with gdm3/mutter updates this week (help!?):
[13:36] <jibel>     . https://launchpad.net/bugs/1786883
[13:36] <jibel>     . https://launchpad.net/bugs/1786872
[13:36] <jibel> * Daily bug management:
[13:36] <jibel>   - Finished revising a couple hundred more artful bugs and set most on a course to close in October.
[13:36] <jibel>   - Two noteworthy packages whose backlogs have reversed by a year's worth recently:
[13:36] <jibel>     . firefox (paulw2u)
[13:36] <jibel>     . xorg (duflu)
[13:36] <jibel>   - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRDHPxGBHqM6XkT_S8ggtYfD0xchKSUD_z9PopNVE3G1rU05fVSnxDGcDsEstl7gu7N-tzCU6mLUp2V/pubchart?oid=254968654&format=interactive
[13:36] <jibel> Thanks duflu
[13:37] <jibel> #topic heber
[13:37] <heber> hey!
[13:37] <heber> * Fixing utah desktop tests.
[13:37] <heber> * Start preparing nvidia testing plan
[13:37] <heber> EOF
[13:37] <jibel> Thanks heber
[13:37] <jibel> #topic jamesh
[13:38] <jibel> pulseaudio:
[13:38] <jibel> * The 1:12.2-0ubuntu2 release with the new Snap policy module is now in Cosmic.
[13:38] <jibel> * Before working on backporting it, jdstrand noticed a problem in the module's
[13:38] <jibel>   logic related to classic snaps:
[13:38] <jibel>   https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/pulseaudio-recording/6361/14?u=jamesh -- classic
[13:38] <jibel>   snapped apps will have an AppArmor label, but may not include plugs for the
[13:38] <jibel>   relevant interfaces.  This is a relatively simple modification to what I did
[13:38] <jibel>   for -0ubuntu2, so we should have a -0ubuntu3 out soon.
[13:38] <jibel> * The policy module needs to be back ported to bionic and xenial.  Bionic
[13:38] <jibel>   should be trivial, but it is hard to say how hard xenial will be due to the
[13:38] <jibel>   version skew.
[13:38] <jibel> fontconfig cache
[13:39] <jibel> * I am investigating why snapped apps are rebuilding fontconfig caches for
[13:39] <jibel>   directories that have already been cached.  I still don't have a definite
[13:39] <jibel>   cause, but the access() calls it makes seems like they can give inaccurate
[13:39] <jibel>   results with AppArmor.  It needs further investigation.
[13:39] <jibel> For further work, Ken asked me to start looking into the crash reporting
[13:39] <jibel> situation for snaps.  The immediate goal is to have something good enough to
[13:39] <jibel> handle the snaps in the default install.  But even with that limitation, it
[13:39] <jibel> will require changes in multiple projects.  The initial goal is to get
[13:39] <jibel> snapcraft to produce a collection of detached debug symbols matching a snap
[13:39] <jibel> build, and for apport to correctly identify a crash from a snap confined
[13:39] <jibel> process.
[13:39] <jibel> EOW
[13:39] <jibel> Thanks James
[13:40] <jibel> No update for jbicha
[13:40] <jibel> #topic jibel
[13:40] <jibel> - LTS Upgrade:
[13:40] <jibel>     - Review and verification of latest release critical bugs.
[13:40] <jibel>     - Upgrade enabled on Aug. 13th.
[13:40] <jibel>     - Bugs reported so far are due to third party packages blocking the upgrade.
[13:40] <jibel> - Triaged upgrade bugs.
[13:40] <jibel> - Continued the packaging of “Ubuntu Kernel Upgrade Utility” as a snap but slowed down by difficulty to run host binaries from contained binaries on other releases than 16.04
[13:40] <jibel> - Desktop dashboard
[13:40] <jibel>     - Added an “Installations and Upgrades” section to the dashboard.
[13:40] <jibel>     - Added “Installation media” KPIs to the section.
[13:40] <jibel> - New installer: updated the specification with the feature list of current desktop installer.
[13:40] <jibel> EOW
[13:40] <jibel> #topic kenvandine
[13:41] <kenvandine> * Working on respinning the hyper-v Ubuntu Desktop image based on 18.04.1
[13:41] <kenvandine> * Sponsored pulseaudio to cosmic, which adds a call to snapd to separate audio record and playback permissions.
[13:41] <kenvandine> * Refreshed snaps to pickup fixes.
[13:41] <kenvandine> * Started looking at what our snapcraft templates will look like, this will replace the desktop helpers remote part.
[13:41] <kenvandine> ⚾
[13:41] <jibel> is it a done or you played baseball too?
[13:41] <willcooke> :)
[13:41] <kenvandine> done :)
[13:41] <jibel> Thanks ken!
[13:41] <kenvandine> i wish i played baseball this week
[13:41] <kenvandine> :)
[13:42] <jibel> #topic laney
[13:42] <Laney> • Worked with gdm upstream on some bug fixes
[13:42] <Laney> ∘ https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gdm/commit/cf8d918f3dfb2a11ff357275d1d16eaa3f8116c0
[13:42] <Laney> ∘ https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gdm/commit/8169cd4fc83beb5c3835a6ee1fafc6911a887a81
[13:42] <Laney> ∘ & uploaded new release to cosmic
[13:42] <Laney> • Prepared 3.28.3 for bionic & unstable, left for dgadomski or slashd to rebase their MP and upload
[13:42] <Laney> • Working with mutter upstream on a crash bug when using nvidia proprietary drivers
[13:42] <Laney> ∘ https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/merge_requests/198
[13:42] <Laney> • Some work on ongoing transitions
[13:42] <Laney> • Updated trashing on overlayfs glib patch following upstream reviews, committed now
[13:42] <Laney> ∘ https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/glib/commit/1152d99dedd8f5105c81745d8a91fa660de736c9
[13:42] <Laney> • Prepared libsoup2.4, gtk+3.0, glib-networking for exp, hopefully someone will sponsor or else I'll need to upload to cosmic
[13:42] <Laney> just ate: 🍞🥑🥚 #millennial
[13:43] <Trevinho> Gastronerd!
[13:43] <Laney> actually gtk3 was a review for andyrock, that line is inaccurate
[13:43] <seb128> Laney, I can sponsor some of those (maybe not all today, already reviewing ones from andyroc_k first)
[13:44] <Laney> k thx
[13:44] <jibel> Thanks Laney
[13:44] <jibel> #topic oSoMoN
[13:44] <oSoMoN> hey
[13:44] <oSoMoN> • firefox
[13:44] <oSoMoN>   ∘ investigated speech dispatcher support, created trello card as further work is needed (https://trello.com/c/qqj9KKS5/200-add-speech-dispatcher-support-to-desktop-browser-snaps)
[13:44] <oSoMoN> • chromium
[13:44] <oSoMoN>   ∘ bug triaging
[13:44] <oSoMoN>   ∘ focus on transitioning to a snap-only chromium
[13:44] <oSoMoN>     - now building the snap from source with embedded clang, not the one from the distro
[13:44] <oSoMoN>     - replaced "Ubuntu" token by "snap" in UA string
[13:44] <oSoMoN>     - successfully tested headless mode
[13:44] <oSoMoN>     - currently building an i386 snap (only tested on amd64 until now)
[13:44] <oSoMoN>   ∘ updated stable to 68.0.3440.106
[13:44] <oSoMoN>   ∘ updated beta to 69.0.3497.32
[13:44] <oSoMoN>   ∘ updated dev to 70.0.3514.0
[13:44] <oSoMoN> • libreoffice
[13:44] <oSoMoN>   ∘ bug triaging
[13:44] <oSoMoN>   ∘ promoted 6.1.0 snap to the stable channel, then rebuilt to pick up an openjdk security update
[13:44] <oSoMoN>   ∘ reviewed and acked MIR requests for libzmf and libstaroffice (bug #1717926 and bug #1717930)
[13:44] <oSoMoN>   ∘ prepared 6.0.6 SRU for bionic (bug #1785679), this is blocked on the SRU of fonts-liberation and fonts-liberation2 (bug #1769654), currently in the unapproved queue
[13:44] <oSoMoN> • gnome-software:
[13:44] <oSoMoN>   ∘ updated patch that disables offline updates against master (https://gitlab.gnome.org/oSoMoN/gnome-software/commit/7a8d2df057d7d52a44d51aaa49a3653da2b33048)
[13:45] <oSoMoN> 🌦
[13:45] <jibel> Thanks oSoMoN
[13:45] <seb128> speaking for gnome-software, the current SRU needs to be verified
[13:45] <jibel> #topic robert_ancell
[13:45] <seb128> to unblocked the next one
[13:45] <jibel> sorry go ahead seb128
[13:45] <seb128> well ^
[13:46] <seb128> jibel, heber, maybe you can help with that?
[13:46] <jibel> seb128, sure we'll have a look
[13:46] <seb128> thx
[13:46] <jibel> #topic robert_ancell
[13:46] <jibel> - SRU gnome-control-center fix to 18.04 LTS (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1779051)
[13:46] <jibel> - Diagnosing why gnome-software tests fail on Ubuntu
[13:46] <jibel> - Made packaging update for appstream-glib 0.7.11 - passed to Debian for sponsorship
[13:46] <jibel> - Diagnose why no languages were showing in gnome-control-center (turned out to be https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-desktop/commit/d5d4d7ee7222cba873dddc20b65189e77f9723e2), update cosmic to have that fix.
[13:47] <jibel> - simple-scan 3.29.91 release
[13:47] <jibel> - Attended GNOME Software stakeholders meeting
[13:47] <jibel> - Worked on patch to update design in region settings panel
[13:47] <jibel> - Investigated bugs in region settings panel (https://launchpad.net/bugs/1786880, https://launchpad.net/bugs/1786881)
[13:47] <jibel> EOW
[13:47] <jibel> Thanks Robert
[13:47] <jibel> #topic seb128
[13:47] <seb128> • versions script improvements, added a new "blocked version" status, added a columns for comments, cleaned up some deprecated components and tagged some other ones
[13:47] <seb128> • sponsored gnome-disk-utility/file-roller/gnome-initial-setup updates from Andy to Debian
[13:47] <seb128> • updated bolt to 0.4 for cosmic & bionic
[13:47] <seb128> • backport udisks2 fixes for test issues on s390x
[13:47] <seb128> • updated gnome-bluetooth and gtksourceview3 through Debian
[13:47] <seb128> • discussed a bit livepatch/desktop improvements

[13:48] <jibel> Thank seb128
[13:48] <jibel> #topic tkamppeter
[13:48] <jibel> - Ghostscript: Updated to upstream version 9.23, needed to do several tests to make it  building on ppc64el. But when I had found the solution, I found out that someone else fixed it in parallel.
[13:48] <jibel> - CUPS, cups-filters, HPLIP, Gutenprint: Synced current versions from Debian Unstable and Experimental.
[13:48] <jibel> - cpdb-libs, cpdb-backend-cups: Sent another e-mail to doko to chase after the MIRs.
[13:48] <jibel> - Google Summer of Code 2018: Mentoring of the students on Common Print Dialog Backends and printer auto-selection by job. Worked out the last steps with the students, checked their final reports. Student's final report deadline is today.
[13:48] <jibel> - Bugs.
[13:48] <jibel> done
[13:48] <jibel> Thanks Till
[13:49] <jibel> #topic rls
[13:49] <jibel> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-incoming-bug-tasks.html#
[13:49] <jibel> nothing for desktop
[13:49] <jibel> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-cc-tracking-bug-tasks.html#
[13:49] <Trevinho> jibel: you missed me?
[13:50] <jibel> Trevinho, apparently so, sorry
[13:50] <jibel> lets finish with the rls bugs and go back to you
[13:50] <jibel> only bug 1552792 in the tracking ones, anyone any comment ?
[13:51] <seb128> I talked to Robert about that one
[13:51] <seb128> he has the fix for cosmic and said it needs testing before being SRUed if we want it
[13:51] <seb128> which I guess means "it's on track"
[13:51] <jibel> I can test in cosmic
[13:51] <Laney> that bug should be assigned
[13:52] <Laney> oh it is
[13:52] <jibel> shouldn't it be fixed committed or released in cosmic ?
[13:53] <jibel> nevermind I'll talk to robert for testing in cosmic
[13:53] <Laney> if it is one of those then it should
[13:53] <jibel> anything else on rls bugs ?
[13:54] <jibel> #topic Trevinho
[13:54] <Trevinho> - Off last week, so spent some time for the backlog
[13:54] <Trevinho> - Some rework on g-s crash fix   https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-shell/merge_requests/190
[13:54] <Trevinho> - Preparing new shell landing with yaru and new merge on debian
[13:54] <Trevinho> - Some SRU discussions, got in dock and shell for bionic
[13:54] <Trevinho> - A review and cherry pick on mutter
[13:54] <Trevinho> - Some telegram snap maintainance
[13:54] <Trevinho> - Heading back to Italy this night
[13:54] <Trevinho> 🌃
[13:54] <Laney> what about b?
[13:55] <jibel> Thanks Trevinho
[13:56] <jibel> Laney, what about b? the list of incoming is empty and tracking is very long. http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html#
[13:56] <Laney> well we listed cc-incoming even though it was empty
[13:57] <Laney> and not sure a list being long means it should be skipped
[13:57] <Laney> but 🤷
[13:57] <seb128> we settled on reviewing the unassigned one unless they are fix commited
[13:57] <jibel> Those not fixed in cosmic and in bb should be tagged cc, those fixed in cosmic and worth an SRU tagged bb and anything else removed IMHO
[13:58] <seb128> I'm assigning https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1713581 to marco
[13:59] <Trevinho> that's fixed in c, no? And sru in progress
[13:59] <seb128> right, the bug reflects that now :)
[13:59] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1714178 is for TImo
[14:00] <seb128> kenvandine, can you get https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1742997 assigned?
[14:00] <seb128> oSoMoN commented on it
[14:00] <seb128> but maybe for robert?
[14:00] <kenvandine> i'll look
[14:00] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1769654 is for oSoMoN, just missing the assignment on one component, I'm fixing that
[14:01] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/amd/+bug/1770271 is for Timo
[14:01] <seb128> kenvandine, thx
[14:01] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-menus/+bug/1766890 is for Julian, doing that
[14:02] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm3/+bug/1782152 is assigned
[14:02] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libglvnd/+bug/1782285 for Timp
[14:02] <seb128> Timo
[14:02] <seb128> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1782681 for Marco
[14:02] <seb128> and I think that's it?
[14:02] <seb128> jibel, sorry, I sort of took over for those :p back to you
[14:02] <jibel> seb128, np, it's perfect this way :)
[14:03] <jibel> #topic aob
[14:04] <seb128> (no other topic from me)
[14:04] <jibel> sounds like a nothing, thanks everyone for attending!
[14:04] <jibel> #endmeeting
[14:04] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Aug 14 14:04:21 2018 UTC.
[14:04] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2018/ubuntu-desktop.2018-08-14-13.31.moin.txt
[14:04] <oSoMoN> thanks!
[14:05] <Laney> thx
[14:07] <seb128> thanks!
[14:08] <oSoMoN> jibel, seen bug #1786944 ? that seems to be falling in the upgrade issues bucket
[14:09] <jibel> oSoMoN, no, did you see several occurrences of this bug? It looks like a previous upgrade attempt failed
[14:10] <oSoMoN> jibel, no, only that one instance, didn't look into it further yet
[14:11] <oSoMoN> indeed https://launchpadlibrarian.net/383346905/DpkgHistoryLog.txt shows that all package install operations have failed for the past two weeks
[14:15] <jibel> oSoMoN, this user broke his system by installing an unsupported package maybe ?
[14:16] <oSoMoN> jibel, could be, it's not immediately obvious from the logs though, what kind of info can we request them to add to the bug report?
[14:18] <jibel> oSoMoN, /var/log/apt/term.log from the day the problem started
[14:19] <jibel> and /var/log/apt/history.log from the same time
[14:21] <oSoMoN> ack, will ask that
[14:21] <jibel> oSoMoN, also running "apt-get -f install" is usually enough if the system is not terribly broken
[14:25] <oSoMoN> I suggested that on the bug report, and asked for further logs in case it turns out not to be enough
[14:57] <GunnarHj> Laney: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1786880/comments/3
[14:57] <Laney> GunnarHj: there is a link on that page you linked to that says "Propose for merging"
[14:58] <GunnarHj> Laney: I know, but it complained about the target branch.
[14:58] <Laney> ubuntu/master?
[14:58] <GunnarHj> yes
[14:58] <Laney> oh right, this is the wrong repository
[14:59] <GunnarHj> Laney: ?
[14:59] <Laney> click merge and then repository details
[14:59] <Laney> that is something else
[15:02] <Laney> probably if you pick "other" and type lp:~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center it'll work
[15:02] <GunnarHj> Laney: There I see 103 repositories...
[15:04] <GunnarHj> Laney: Right, that worked.
[15:04] <Laney> Nice
[15:04] <GunnarHj> Laney: LP's git isn't exactly easy to grasp...
[15:05] <Laney> It has this concept of target default repositories
[15:06] <Laney> seems like for some packages they are set to the git-ubuntu things
[15:06] <Laney> I think we could probably get that changed to point to the ubuntu-desktop branch, somehow ...
[15:07] <GunnarHj> Laney: That would have helped me. But I understand now what it was I missed.
[15:08] <Laney> 🤔
[15:13] <Laney> GunnarHj: that 52_... patch is pretty hairy
[15:13] <Laney> is there a path away from needing it that you can see?
[15:16] <GunnarHj> Laney: No easy path. It's part of the 'get rid of l-s' topic, I suppose. And that would make several flavors unhappy...
[15:17] <GunnarHj> Laney: I think we should set up a meeting to talk really talk about the options.
[15:17] <Laney> nod, I think Robert's got the baton on that one at the minute
[15:18] <GunnarHj> Laney: Yeah, his comment on the bug report indicates that. But in this case I think he misunderstood.
[15:19] <Laney> I mean the more general topic
[15:19] <GunnarHj> Ok, I see.
[15:19] <Laney> I feel a bit clueless as to where/why we are different than upstream
[15:20] <Laney> apart from the langpack bits, I get that
[15:20] <Laney> Probably he understands it better...
[15:21] <GunnarHj> Laney: A few months ago I promised to write down the story about it from my perspective. I take this as a reminder. ;)
[15:22] <Laney> :>
[17:13] <willcooke> night all, back in a couple of weeks \o/
[17:14] <Laney> BYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[17:14] <Laney> 2l8?
[17:22] <kenvandine> Will always leaves fast, i don't think he wants us to stop him with one last thing :)
[17:37] <seamlik> hello everyone
[17:38] <seamlik> Recent updates to Cosmic disabled Wayland sessions. With `gnome-session` installed I still can't find any Wayland sessions in the menu during login.
[17:38] <seamlik> Is this intentional?
[17:42] <Laney> No, it's a bug.
[17:42] <Laney> e.g. we have https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gdm/issues/410 at the minute
[17:44] <Laney> nighty night
[17:46] <seamlik> thanks, I see.
[18:26] <oSoMoN> good night all, see you on Thursday
[18:57] <om26er> Is there a Qt 5.9 ppa for Xenial ?
[19:31] <om26er> Mirv: ping
[20:50] <tsimonq2> om26er: Mirv doesn't do much Qt stuff anymore; that'd be me now.
[20:51] <tsimonq2> There isn't a 5.9 PPA for Xenial that I know of at the moment, but UBports might have one.
[20:51] <tsimonq2> Why do you ask?
[20:51] <om26er> tsimonq2: I have a PySide2 app, it requires Qt 5.9 but the one we have in Xenial is 5.5, so it won't start
[20:51] <tsimonq2> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[20:51] <tsimonq2> Bionic has 5.9.
[20:51] <tsimonq2> Sorry.
[20:52] <om26er> as we speak, I have been trying to re-use kde-frameworks-5 but haven't had much luck
[20:52] <om26er> tsimonq2: yeah but snaps can't be built using core18, so using bionic is not an option
[20:53] <tsimonq2> om26er: I don't do snap stuff; maybe ask a snapcrafter to backport it as a snap.


[00:59] <phix> LjL: You in?
[00:59] <LjL> phix: yes
[01:01] <bazhang> chfwiggum, did you have something else we could help you with?
[01:07] <bazhang> chfwiggum, please note the channel /topic and do not idle here.
[01:16] <bazhang> !idle | chfwiggum
[01:34] <sloopy> 'ello
[01:34] <Flannel> sloopy: It's not your place to threaten our users
[01:35] <sloopy> flannel, no i am not thretening a random user, i am threatening my son, unfortunatly i would do it in msg but he doesnt understand them
[01:36] <sloopy> unfortunatly he has issues and since i am not at home would only mock me
[01:36] <sloopy> my apologizes for bringing 'family' matter into the channel
[01:37] <Flannel> sloopy: I already mentioned the language issue to him, and if he continued, we simply would ban him.  But public humiliation generally isn't a good way to go about influencing behavior changes like that.
[01:37] <Flannel> sloopy: I don't mean to tell you how to parent, of course
[01:37] <sloopy> thats just it, he doesnt understand it is 'public'
[01:38] <Flannel> but we are capable of disciplining ourselves (and did).  To everyone else it's just someone picking on someone else, and we don't condone that, obviously.
[01:38] <sloopy> Flannel, and yes i understand you werent questing my parenting, but my actions in a public place
[01:40] <sloopy> heh mrs just called me...
[01:45] <Flannel> sloopy: You're both in -offtopic, that might be a better location
[01:46] <bazhang> chfwiggum, please dont idle here
[01:47] <bazhang> wow. he was in here since he got banned yesterday for the !danger command
[01:49] <sloopy> Flannel, i just had mrs give the msg in person...
[01:55] <bazhang> sloopy, please dont idle in here
[01:56] <sloopy> sorry i am at work and wasnt paying attention...
[02:01] <bazhang> phix, please dont idle here
[02:05] <bazhang> !idle | phix
[02:11] <bazhang> phix, please read the channel topic and do not idle here.
[02:40] <Flannel> TraceRoute in -ot may need a looking at
[02:44] <phix> hello
[02:44] <phix> LjL: awesome you are here
[02:44] <phix> LjL: well I am still banned
[02:44] <phix> I will leave here now
[02:44] <Flannel> What an odd fellow.
[04:07] <nalioth> how do you close a bug in launchpad?
[04:08] <jdong> nalioth: drop down the status thingie?
[04:08]  * Flannel holds off on the regular comments.
[04:08] <nalioth> jdong: i get no dropdown with the status thingy
[04:08] <jdong> really?
[04:09] <jdong> when you click the link in the Status column, nothing drops open?
[04:10] <nalioth> nope
[04:10] <nalioth> but i clicked on something an invalidated the report
[04:10] <jdong> does appending /+editstatus to the bug URL do anything?
[04:11] <nalioth> i clicked on "undecided" and thought i changed it to "invalid", but it seems i just added "invalid" to the options
[04:12] <nalioth> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/308059    you can close it, if you wish
[04:12] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 308059 in ubuntu "weard logs in dmesg involveing i think fsb" [Undecided,New]
[04:12] <nalioth> holy cow
[04:12] <jdong> haha
[04:12] <jdong> looks like you closed the bug correctly
[04:12] <jdong> you don't get the status dropdown when you click Invalid?
[04:13] <nalioth> nope
[04:13] <jdong> weirdness
[04:13] <jdong> heh launchpad being quirky... there's a surprise :)
[08:57] <Myrtti> o hai
[08:57] <Flannel> Howdy Myrtti
[09:16] <ikonia> why did floodbot just unmute me, it didn't actually mute me to need to unmute me
[09:17] <ikonia> there is no +z only a -z and it's accused me of flooding in the monitor for 1 line ?
[09:17] <Flannel> ikonia: Because you were flooding
[09:17] <Flannel> Theyre freaking otu at the moment
[09:17] <ikonia> where is the +z though ?
[09:17] <ikonia> I can't see it
[09:17] <Flannel> theyre freaking out, so they don't +z
[09:18] <ikonia> but it did -z me ?
[09:18] <Flannel> yes
[09:51] <Myrtti> @login
[09:51] <Myrtti> @btlogin
[10:08] <Myrtti> thrylos, yes, you are banned
[10:09] <Myrtti> thrylos, no, changing nicknames wont help
[10:09] <thrylos> i don't a give a shit
[10:09] <Myrtti> then what are you doing here then?
[10:10] <thrylos> i am fucking your mother
[10:10] <Flannel> Myrtti: Hes forwarded here.  Sounds like its time to remove said forward.
[10:10] <ikonia> ahhh sken again
[10:10] <Myrtti> Flannel, I'd think so too
[10:12] <ikonia> Flannel: please don't remove the forward
[10:12] <Flannel> ikonia: Why not?
[10:12] <ikonia> thats his default IP and he has to work had to change it
[10:12] <ikonia> it catches him a lot
[10:13] <Flannel> got it
[10:13] <ikonia> ta
[11:07] <Jussio1> Hi all
[11:49] <ikonia> idiot
[11:49] <ikonia> help please
[11:50] <ikonia> never mind, false alarm
[11:51] <ikonia> I've removed a few old bans mostly ljl's (over 1.5 month) that are %100 dynamic addresses, I'll continue doing some house keeping later of bans that are 1 month + old AND have no comments AND are dynamic addresses unless someone has an objection or wants to clear there own stuff up
[12:21] <bazhang> * [maek0] (n=maek@ppp118-208-242-236.lns10.mel6.internode.on.net): Maek
[12:21] <bazhang> QED
[12:21] <Jack_Sparrow> morning bazhang
[12:22] <bazhang> Jack_Sparrow, nice eye
[12:22] <bazhang> ikonia, ^^
[12:24] <Jack_Sparrow> maek is a repeat offender right, when was his last ban lifted?
[12:27] <Jack_Sparrow> bazhang          maek is a repeat offender right, when was his last ban lifted?
[12:29] <bazhang> Jack_Sparrow, yes, nice catch.
[12:29] <Jack_Sparrow> @btlogin
[12:30] <bazhang> he was claiming that maek and maek0 were different people
[12:30] <bazhang> ie it wasnt him
[12:30] <Jack_Sparrow> Ok..
[12:30] <Jack_Sparrow> thought so
[12:30] <bazhang> still banned afaik
[12:30] <bazhang> just wanted to point it out to ikonia that we found out the two were in fact one and the same
[12:31] <Jack_Sparrow> ah.. ty
[12:31] <bazhang> though just adding '0' to the back of your nick is not the most creative of ban evasion
[12:31] <Jack_Sparrow> 4am something here, not quite awake
[12:31] <bazhang> :)
[12:47] <maek0> Is anyone about to help me .. I have been banned incorrectly
[12:48] <Jack_Sparrow> bazhang  Would ou care to take this for me.
[12:55] <Mez> @btlogin
[12:56] <Mez> @bansearch maek0
[12:56] <maek0> yes hello Mez
[12:58] <Mez> maek0: one sec, researching
[12:58] <maek0> I was browsing the web on on side of my cube when I noticed that my xchat logo was blinking ... I went to have a look who was highlighting me .. and Jack_Sparrow said that I was running as root and it sounded like I was doing something very wrong
[12:59] <Jack_Sparrow> Mez http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/12/13/%23ubuntu-ops.txt
[13:00] <maek0> it didn't occur to me that I had the Guest nick on and I thought It was very strange someone to highlight me out of the blue .. so then I thought I was doing something terribly wrong because someone specifically highlighted me
[13:01] <Mez> maek0: one sec, researching
[13:01] <Mez> @bansearch maek
[13:01] <maek0> Mez, cool
[13:06] <Mez> ikonia: ping
[13:06] <Mez> bazhang: ping
[13:08] <Mez> maek0: what nick were you using when "someone kicked you for helping" ?
[13:09] <maek0> Mez, I think it was just plain "maek"
[13:09] <maek0> without the 0
[13:09] <bazhang> Mez, hi
[13:10] <Mez> bazhang: PM
[13:10] <Mez> maek0: not bracksisahobo
[13:10] <Mez> ?
[13:10] <maek0> Mez, no I am on an ISP which assigns dynamic IPs
[13:10] <Mez> maek0: actually, no, that was someone in perth, not melbourne.. Sorry
[13:11] <ikonia> Mez: pong
[13:11] <Mez> ikonia PM
[13:11] <ikonia> yup
[13:12] <maek0> but I was kicked and banned for helping someone with their Compiz settings ... the op totally ignored that I made a mistake by copy and pasting a little compiz how to I found
[13:13] <maek0> which resulted in multiple lines
[13:13] <maek0> the OP didn't care to look that I was copying and pasting a how to on Compiz
[13:14] <Mez> maek0: that's the past. Ignore it for now. It's been dealt with already - I'm just trying to find logs
[13:14] <bazhang> maek0, so you and maek have no connection whatsoever?
[13:15] <maek0> the next ban was well my mistake .. by posting a ubuntu bug report that I found very funny because it reminded me of a old screensaver exploit in Windows 2000
[13:15] <Mez> maek0: ok, ok, I can't find any records of these bans apart from one last week...
[13:15] <ikonia> thank you for admiting that (geuinly) much better than "I'm alerting ubuntu people to security alerts" rubbish
[13:16] <ikonia> maek0: being straight with people gets you a lot futher with people
[13:16] <maek0> bazhang, well I used to be "maek" but it was taken by someone else cause they registered it now its maek0
[13:17] <bazhang> maek0, you got the pm from me yesterday?
[13:17] <maek0> ikonia, thats not the issue ... the issue it I thought you were wanting an argument and I was just going along with it
[13:17] <maek0> bazhang, no sorry I don't
[13:19] <maek0> ikonia, and I thought that arguing over something so trivial was harmless
[13:19] <ikonia> not the best move
[13:19] <ikonia> neither is miss-direction/fibs
[13:19] <Mez> ikonia: maek0 that issue is in the past. and has been dealt with, can we leave it be?
[13:19] <ikonia> yup
[13:20] <maek0> Mez, yep I was banned for 24 hours so I copped it on the chin .. now we can get on to the current issue
[13:20] <Mez> maek0: the ban I see was 6 days :P
[13:20] <maek0> Mez, the ban that ikonia did ??
[13:21] <Gary> bazhang: did you tell zloy that I needed to speak with him?
[13:21] <Gary> if so, do you know what about? :p
[13:22] <bazhang> Gary, he was talking about password cracking and he and kukman were talking about #ubuntu-ru-women channel
[13:22] <bazhang> Gary, then he was asking me if I knew Josef Stalin, and what I thought about his ideology
[13:23] <Gary> arghh :p
[13:23] <Gary> he didn't harrass anyone though?
[13:23] <bazhang> this was after I had reprimanded him for the password cracking talk (which he claimed not to understand was wrong)
[13:23] <Mez> maek0: ok, I've read through logs, and I think I've come to a conclusion.
[13:23] <maek0> Mez, thanks for doing that
[13:24] <Mez> Your behaviour before has been out of line. You have seemed very argumentative, and to be quite frank, I agree with the previous bans that have been made.
[13:24] <Gary> bazhang: oki, it's just he said that you said that I wanted to talk to him, and I had no idea what about
[13:24] <bazhang> Gary, I asked him if I should talk with you about this
[13:25] <Mez> maek0: You have been given a chance to make things right, to act properly in our channels, and I think it's already been made clear to you that if you continue to act the way you have done, you'd be banned, permanently. Have you not?
[13:26] <maek0> Mez, well I am sorry if I have been argumentative .. I just assumed people were being argumentative to me
[13:26] <maek0> Mez,  can I explain this current situation please ??
[13:26] <bazhang> Gary, the Russian operators have been apprised of his behaviour and are watching him closely, the caveat being that they are almost never around
[13:27] <Mez> maek0: apology accepted, however, if you think that someone is being argumentative. just close the window and ignore them
[13:27] <Mez> maek0: if ANYONE asks you to obey the rules, or tells you that you're going out of line, then you *listen* to them.
[13:28] <Mez> maek0: you don't need to argue back. The best argument is silence.
[13:28] <Mez> maek0: I don't need an explanation.
[13:28] <maek0> Mez, sorry about that I guess that if someone seems argumentative Im tempted to argue back
[13:29] <maek0> I am a relative IRC noob sorry
[13:29] <Mez> maek0: all I can say is that you are being given ONE chance here. You need to prove yourself to us, or next time, the ban won't be lifted. You need to follow the guidelines
[13:29] <Mez> !guidelines | maek0
[13:29] <Mez> You need to make sure that if we ever see your nick being reported to us again, it's for something good, not for something bad.
[13:30] <maek0> Mez, thanks .. just for the record .. tell me why I got banned for this current situation ??
[13:30] <Mez> maek0: your history and
[13:30] <Mez> !wtf
[13:31] <Mez> !jfgi
[13:31] <Mez> wtf is not acceptable. It is STILL cursing. but disguised.
[13:32] <maek0> well thats going to be tough because those words ingrained in my internet speech
[13:32] <Mez> maek0: I'm making it clear now, and I want you to tell me if you don't understand. If there is reason to ban you again, the ban will be a permanent one.
[13:32] <maek0> I understand that
[13:33] <Mez> maek0: as is standards, please go and read the Guidelines, and tell me if there's anything in them you don't understand
[13:33] <maek0> its just that I feel a bit cheated because I got highlighted and someone told me that I was running a root account and I was worried
[13:33] <Mez> !guidelines | maek0
[13:34] <maek0> but I understand that "wt*" is not acceptable
[13:35] <Mez> maek0: please read the guidelines.
[13:35] <Mez> actually read them through. Every single word
[13:35] <maek0> okay I will read them through
[13:36] <Mez> let me know when you're done
[13:37] <maek0> I will say however that Jack_Sparrow needs to be careful on who he highlights ... if he was careful none of this would have happened
[13:37] <maek0> okay reading now
[13:37] <Mez> maek0: he apologised. Leave it.
[13:37] <Jack_Sparrow> Ok, want to start this all over AGAIN..
[13:37] <Jack_Sparrow> I am ready
[13:38] <maek0> okay I accept Jack_Sparrow's apology
[13:39] <Mez> maek0: you're not helping here. It's been dealt with. Leave it in the past.
[13:39] <Mez> It's this kind of thing that gets you into trouble. I know I'm already watching you and reconsidering my decision to lift the ban.
[13:39] <maek0> Mez okay I will go now ... you all have a great day
[13:41] <maek0> back now
[13:41] <Mez> hey, you finished reading the guidelines yet?
[13:41] <maek0> I am up to here: When helping: be helpful
[13:41] <Mez> ok, lemme know when done
[13:43] <maek0> what are talking scripts ??
[13:44] <Mez> For example
[13:44] <Mez> @schedule
[13:44] <Mez> that's a talking script (but it'd be on a user)
[13:45] <Mez> or, say, something that kept telling the channel what music you were playing when you changed track
[13:45] <Mez> or, something that would post a msg telling people you are away
[13:45]  * Mez is away (gone)
[13:45] <maek0> ah okay ... I guess IRC has been around for a long time and people have worked out how to do funky things
[13:45]  * Mez is back
[13:45] <Mez> stuff like that
[13:46] <Mez> maek0: more annoying than funky
[13:46] <Mez> @bansearch maek0
[13:47] <maek0> okay I am done reading this and I will endeavour to keep that in mind before I post anything in #ubuntu
[13:47] <Mez> ok, your ban has been lifted, dont let me see you again.
[13:47] <Mez> (in here)
[13:48] <maek0> actually does the ubuntu irc network have like a chit chat channel ??
[13:48] <Mez> #ubuntu-offtopic  but the same rules apply, except the "only support" one
[13:48] <ubot5`> Mez: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[13:48]  * Mez has to go
[13:49] <Mez> @mark #ubuntu-ops maek0
[13:49] <maek0> okay have a nice day and all that
[14:36]  * genii sips
[14:49] <LjL> some mess here, i see?
[14:49] <Pici> Thats what happens when someone accidentally reboot servers
[14:50] <LjL> Pici: i guess, but, the floodbots went on being lagged and idiotic for a really long time... was it just due to that?
[14:52] <Pici> LjL: I'm not sure what that was about.
[15:09] <ikonia> quicky - my connection just %100 died so I'm borrwing a friends machine to hop in here, but I'm %100 out of service at the moment
[15:09] <ikonia> out
[15:14] <genii> I guess yelling at his ISP on the phone didn't get them motivated....
[15:30] <Mez> he came in here for a quicky ? ew
[15:30] <ikonia> who did
[15:31] <Jack_Sparrow> Yew did
[15:31] <ikonia> oh
[15:31]  * Mez chuckles
[15:50] <Ursinha> hey guys..
[15:50] <Ursinha> what is the criteria to a person to become op in #ubuntu?
[15:51] <Ursinha> asking to see how it works and if it would apply to another channel
[15:55] <Pici> Ursinha: Basically we select a contributing person from the main channels with no (recent) record of behavorial problems and invite them to become an op.  If they turn down the offer then we don't force them. Some people don't want to be ops.
[15:55] <Ursinha> Pici, it is pretty much what I thought it was
[15:56] <Pici> Ursinha: We usually give probationary access to operator priveleges and keep an eye on them for a bit.
[15:56] <Ursinha> Pici, naturally
[15:56] <Ursinha> :)
[15:58] <nalioth> Ursinha: in some channels and some networks, asking automatically puts you out of any consideration
[15:59] <Ursinha> nalioth, well, I don't want to be an #ubuntu op, if you're suggesting that
[15:59] <nalioth> i'm just sayin'
 asking to see how it works and if it would apply to another channel
[15:59] <Ursinha> nalioth, ^
[15:59] <nalioth> we don't do that here
[15:59] <nalioth> yes, i can read
[16:00] <Ursinha> we're having "issues" in another channel
[16:00] <Ursinha> so I wanted to know how it works in other places
[16:00] <Pici> Ursinha: May I ask what channel? Or is it not Ubuntu/canonical related?
[16:00] <Ursinha> Pici, it's #ubuntu-br
[16:00] <Pici> Ursinha: Ah.
[16:01] <Ursinha> Pici, the "issues" are quoted because it's not exactly a problem
[16:01] <Ursinha> we're just defining some rules
[16:01] <Ursinha> that's all :)
[16:01] <LjjjL> so you want to learn how to do things properly
[16:01] <LjjjL> you
[16:01] <LjjjL> you've found some good teachers

[16:01] <Ursinha> hahaha
[16:02] <Ursinha> basically we have a few that always complain about everything
[16:02] <Ursinha> I know we all have
[16:02] <Ursinha> so we want to write something down for it to be plain clear to everyone
[16:03] <LjjjL> like guidelines?
[16:03] <Ursinha> exactly
[16:04] <Mez> !guidelines
[16:04] <Ursinha> we're aware of that, and we've translated from that page
[16:05] <Ursinha> we just wanted to be clear about how it works in that channel
[16:05] <LjjjL> Ursinha: why aren't you on -irc? other international ops will easily have their own experiences with guidelines to share
[16:05] <Ursinha> that have less people and so on
[16:05] <LjjjL> quite a few have "copied" from our guidelines too, but also had to make a set of adjustments
[16:06] <LjjjL> indeed, that's why i suggest asking/looking at other loco channels too
[16:06] <Ursinha> awesome LjjjL :)
[16:06] <Ursinha> that's my idea too, that's why I'm asking here :)
[16:06] <Ursinha> where the ops unite :P
[16:06] <LjjjL> Ursinha: but the loco operators are on #ubuntu-irc
[16:07] <Ursinha> LjjjL, really? what's this channel?
[16:07] <LjjjL> Ursinha: what the topic says, mostly. check the IrcTeam/Coordination link
[16:07] <LjjjL> some of the french ops are residents there
[16:07] <LjjjL> a few spanish ops too, some of the time
[16:07] <ikonia> sava ?
[16:08] <ikonia> do beer porvafor
[16:08] <LjjjL> vorpafor yeah
[16:08] <ikonia> dos I meant
[16:08] <ikonia> as in 2
[16:08] <Ursinha> hahahahahaha
[16:08] <ikonia> dos chinquos elephanti
[16:08] <LjjjL> ikonia: ok, but it por favor not por vafor :P
[16:09] <Ursinha> :)
[16:09] <ikonia> danke
[16:09] <Ursinha> someone invited me here saying that it's a good place to watch when things get crazy on some channels
[16:10] <Ursinha> that's why I thought it was a QG for the ops
[16:10] <Ursinha> of ubuntu*
[16:10] <LjjjL> Ursinha: it's a QG only for the english channels (and only some of them, at that)
[16:10] <Ursinha> right.
[16:10] <LjjjL> loco channels usually have their own -xx-ops channels
[16:10] <Ursinha> this time I'm referring to it was a problem on ubuntu-br channel
[16:10] <LjjjL> but yeah here is where you can see us arguing with trolls
[16:11] <Ursinha> and other channels too
[16:12] <Ursinha> thanks LjjjL
[16:12] <ikonia> or amongst ourselves
[16:12] <LjjjL> ikonia: what the hell are you talking about, that never happens
[16:12] <LjjjL> ikonia: you're crazy, or a troll
[16:13] <ikonia> both  ?
[16:13] <LjjjL> yes, i was about to say
[18:36] <Pici> !test
[18:39] <Ursinha> lol
[18:54]  * genii sips
[19:30] <genii> Damn. Pici is omnipresent in my channel list
[19:55]  * genii prepares for a cataclysmic announcement of some sort
[19:59] <Ursinha> lol
[20:00] <PriceChild> genii: hmm?
[20:06] <Ursinha> PriceChild, I guess genii was referring to tomaw_
[20:07] <PriceChild> genii: do we scare you? :P
[20:08] <genii> PriceChild: Just the disconnects which seem to follow tomaw's announcements....
[22:59] <Tm_T> errr
[23:05] <genii> @logout
[23:05] <genii> @login
[23:14] <genii> Wondering if anyone sees me, I authed with freenode and did @login but looks like I may still be devoiced according to the statusbar of my client
[23:14] <Tm_T> yes
[23:14] <Tm_T> I'm out ->
[23:14] <genii> OK, thanks
[23:14]  * genii makes a note to file a quassel bug
[23:15] <LjL> just one?
[23:15] <genii> Hehe
[23:16] <genii> LjL: Well, it's a work-in-progress
[23:16] <Mez> genii: /cycle
[23:16] <LjL> genii: may i quickly do something that your client might not entirely like?
[23:16] <genii> Mez: OK I'll try
[23:16] <genii> Mez: Nah still same
[23:17] <Mez> (aka part the channel, then rejoin)
[23:17] <genii> LjL: Will I have a possible cataclysm?
[23:17] <LjL> genii: hmhm
[23:17] <genii> Hangon /part /join cycle
[23:18] <genii> Mez: Nah didn't change
[23:18] <Mez> yeah, chanserv isnt recognising you
[23:18] <genii> But oddly I'm authed, cloak works, @login works, etc
[23:18] <LjL> what's the problem, out of curiosity?
[23:19] <Mez> genii: you dont have access to be autovoiced in here
[23:19] <Mez> LjL: he seems to have lost his +v in here
[23:19] <genii> Mez: Maybe thats it
[23:19] <LjL> he's never had it afaik
[23:20] <genii> LjL: OK, now it shows properly in the status area
[23:22] <Mez> LjL: maybe it was set manually on him :D#
[23:22] <Mez> and it went when he /quit
[23:26] <ikonia> has anyone got a cool way of searching #ubuntu logs ?
[23:27] <Mez> grep -R word ~/irclogs/\#ubuntu
[23:27] <nalioth> ikonia: gogole does a fine job
[23:27] <nalioth> ikonia: and google, too
[23:27] <ikonia> I've just had a random note from a user called stefodnb saying about a comment he made to me in pm (I think he made it in the channel) that says "randon morons blubber"
[23:27] <ikonia> however it's just appeared on this site/url http://<IP_ADDRESS>/search?q=cache:_6bX-kQfoqwJ:www.novamind.com/media/az/job-interview.html+"random+morons+blubber"&hl=bg&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=bg&client=firefox-a
[23:28] <ikonia> he's moaning/accusing me of blabbing about it, not that I care to be fair, however I've not mentioned this comment, but I am interested what this site is and how it's logging parts of the ubuntu channel
[23:28] <ikonia> I'm pretty sure he said it in the channel
[23:29] <Mez> that site seems like a blog to me ikonia
[23:29] <ikonia> Mez: well yes, but it seems to be blogging parts of the ubuntu channel
[23:29] <Mez> oh, yeah
[23:29] <phix> LjL: I am still banned, what's up?
[23:29] <LjL> phix: the ceiling
[23:30] <LjL> phix: you asked if i was around yesterday, then said nothing further
[23:30] <Mez> LjL: aeroplanes....
[23:30] <phix> LjL: poor you, stuck in an office
[23:30] <LjL> uhm, no
[23:30] <phix> LjL: or house :)
[23:30] <LjL> i'm at home
[23:30] <phix> either way it's a great day today
[23:31] <phix> shame to be indoors
[23:31] <LjL> not sure, it's been raining for three days and it's not stopping.
[23:31] <phix> any way, the ban, what's going on there?
[23:31] <LjL> it's also half past midnight.
[23:31] <LjL> phix: nothing.
[23:31] <LjL> phix: i suppose you've read the guidelines, coc and the rest of the !etiquette factoids quite carefully by now?
[23:31] <phix> oh, hehe, that's right, you live in the EU somewhere
[23:32] <Mez> 23:37 <+LjL> it's also half past midnight.
[23:32] <phix> LjL: well no, I have been banned :)
[23:32] <Mez> and in new zealand, it was l33t o clock
[23:32] <phix> I can't access the factoids
[23:32] <LjL> phix: wait, what?
[23:32] <Mez> !guidelines | phix
[23:32] <LjL> you've been banned so you can't access the factoids? that makes no sense
[23:32] <Mez> !coc | phix
[23:32] <Mez> !ettiquette | phix
[23:32] <LjL> don't tell me i forgot to point you to !etiquette when we first met here?
[23:32] <phix> LjL: ah, oh those ones, yes I Have skimmed over them
[23:33] <LjL> phix: come back when you've *read* them and *understood* them then
[23:33] <Mez> phix: you need to read every word ;)
[23:33] <phix> LjL: done
[23:33] <LjL> phix: no, you just said skimmed
[23:33] <phix> LjL: yeah I get the idea :) I understand
[23:33] <LjL> sorry genii, i hit enter by mistake :>
[23:34] <phix> the message came across quite fine, to sum it up, don't be a dick
[23:34] <LjL> phix: i don't want you to "get the idea", i want you to READ them CAREFULLY
[23:34] <phix> I get it
[23:34] <genii> LjL: That was .... odd
[23:34] <LjL> it's the least i could ask of you after you gratuitously spammed the channel, so please do
[23:34] <phix> ok
[23:36] <phix> ok ircGuildlines was an easy read
[23:36] <Mez> phix: I just started reading them again, and i'm not even half way through
[23:36] <LjL> phix: ok, so, when you send a message to the channel to inform them that you're away, what should the message format be?
[23:36] <Mez> and I can speedread professionally
[23:37] <phix> LjL: In short, don't
[23:37] <LjL> alright, trick question one passed
[23:37] <phix> :)
[23:38] <phix> anything else?
[23:38] <Mez> phix: what's a pastebin ?
[23:38] <phix> Mez: a website
[23:38] <LjL> phix: yes. when you disagree with an op, how should you inform them of it?
[23:38] <phix> Mez: to paste large amounts of text
[23:39] <phix> LjL: in a polite manner of corse otherwise they kick and ban you :)
[23:39] <LjL> also, not in the main channel
[23:39] <LjL> but you didn't answer "i shouldn't disagree with him" at least, so i guess that's good
[23:39] <phix> LjL: well, you cant really prv msg them, that is also rude :)
[23:40] <phix> LjL: well no, the ops are not prophets :)
[23:40] <Mez> phix: you can always /msg us ;)
[23:40] <phix> Mez: really? I thought ops hate that
[23:40] <LjL> phix: not really, the ops can be messaged fine if it's about op business
[23:40] <phix> ah ok, so if I want to know how you are going I shouldn't message you?
[23:40] <LjL> phix: i hate it if you message me out of the blue with nothing that has anything to do with me or ops business
[23:41] <LjL> phix: i'd appreciate that, yes, thanks
[23:41] <Mez> phix: some do, but we tend to lean towards the "if you need an op, we dont mind you msging us, but business only please ;)"
[23:41] <phix> ok
[23:41] <phix> too easy
[23:42] <LjL> phix: your ban is lifted, have fun, and if by any chance you didn't actually finish reading the stuff yet, do
[23:42] <phix> done and done
[23:42] <Mez> pop quiz on Friday? :P
[23:42] <phix> woot
[23:42] <Mez> wait... darn, not a pop quiz anymore ;)
[23:42] <phix> although Friday it will be saturday for me, I will be well on holidays :P
[23:43] <phix> ok I will get out of this chan now
[23:43] <LjL> phix: wait
[23:43] <phix> Thank you for lifting the ban
[23:43] <phix> ok
[23:43] <LjL> phix: what in the guidelines suggested that it was a good idea to make the main channel scroll by randomly typing smileys into it?
[23:44] <phix> haha, they wernt random, they were specific and directed to you
[23:44] <LjL> phix: and irrelevant to ubuntu support
[23:44] <phix> lol, I supose so, should I go in offtopic and paste that instead?
[23:44] <LjL> no.
[23:44] <phix> ok
[23:45] <phix> noted
[23:46] <LjL> phix: ok, now you can get out of here i guess, unless you're just about to do something else silly in #ubuntu
[23:47] <phix> LjL: I am offering help to some person regarding GLX not enabled in X
[23:47] <LjL> that's quite legitimate, seems like a good start in the right direction.
[23:47] <phix> so, yes I have no other need to be in this channel, fair well.
[23:47] <LjL> bye
[23:48]  * LjL hopes the same
[23:48] <LjL> @mark phix
[23:51] <genii> That seemed to go relatively painlessly...
[23:52] <Jack_Sparrow> Anyone have issue with this nick..  * holyshit<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[23:53] <ikonia> yes
[23:53] <ikonia> have you messaged him ?
[23:53] <Jack_Sparrow> k.. I'll politely ask them to change it
[23:54] <Jack_Sparrow> If you have the time great..
[23:54] <ikonia> I'll do it
[23:54] <Jack_Sparrow> I am up to ^^^ with windows problems today
[23:54] <Jack_Sparrow> thanks
[23:54] <ikonia> done
[23:57] <ikonia> what's he doing here ?
[23:57] <ikonia> I didn't forward him
[23:57] <ikonia> he just said he'd quit
[23:57] <Pici> auto forwarding of bad idents
[23:57] <ikonia> ah
[23:57] <ikonia> how did he get in #ubuntu in the first place then
[23:58] <nalioth> ikonia: he did not
[23:58] <ikonia> didn't he, my mistake
[23:58] <ikonia> 23:52 -!- holyshit<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu
[23:58] <ikonia> 23:56 -!- holyshit<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has quit ["Connection  reset by peer"]
[23:58] <ikonia> looked like he got in


[05:35] <imbrandon> doh no benc
[07:27] <lfittl> zul, do you have any idea how to further debug malone #89133 ?
[07:28] <lfittl> or is there some way to change the major device number lvm2 is using?
[07:34] <zul> lfittl: you might want to check with iwj
[07:34] <zul> because I dont use lvm
[07:35] <lfittl> k, thanks


[23:26] <nhaines> duffydack: well, the same thing happens to hard disks as well.  :)
[23:26] <apparle> !info psi
[23:26] <Nader> all HDS have finite life
[23:26] <bernhard> duffydack: id say if you keep the ssd out of the write intensive part it will do better than an hdd over long time
[23:26] <duffydack> I`ll take my flash drives as usb sticks for convenience, and nothing else
[23:26] <nhaines> Simon1245: is it a server?
[23:27] <BUGabundo> apparle: please use #ubuntu-bots or msg it directly . thank you
[23:27] <Simon1245> nhaines, No, Desktop I belive, I get this: Authentication failed
[23:27] <Simon1245> Authenticating the upgrade failed. There may be a problem with the network or with the server.
[23:27] <Nader> the worst thing ive experienced was an old IBM Deskstar with bad sectors
[23:27] <nhaines> Simon1245: I'd rather run 'sudo update-manager -d' to upgrade a desktop machine.
[23:27] <Nader> tha pain
[23:27] <BUGabundo> can we PLEASE get back on TOPIC? thank you
[23:27] <duffydack> Id bet the life of a decent hdd compared to a decent ssd is far more.
[23:27] <BUGabundo> please redirect further DISK chat to #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:28] <BUGabundo> as it has NOTHING to do with lucic
[23:28] <bernhard> MarcoPau: i dont have crashes atm, how does it crash?
[23:28] <Simon1245> nhaines, I get the same error
[23:28] <Simon1245> nhaines, Authentication failed
[23:28] <Simon1245> Authenticating the upgrade failed. There may be a problem with the network or with the server.
[23:28] <BUGabundo> Simon1245: change mirror
[23:28] <Simon1245> BUGabundo, How?
[23:29] <BUGabundo> !mirrors
[23:29] <BUGabundo> !sources
[23:29] <BUGabundo> Simon1245: ^^^^^
[23:29] <Simon1245> BUGabundo, I'll check it 1min
[23:30] <Simon1245> BUGabundo, Nvm, I'll go and sleep now i'll check this tthing tomorrow thanks for the help guys and bye
[23:30] <core_> ne 1 like guns ?
[23:30] <bernhard> MarcoPau: browser crashes are mostly provoked by flash applets, thats why all the world rants about flash atm (apple & co)
[23:30] <BluesKaj-Laptop> odd that do-upgrade-release fails lately without changing the source mirrors, i thought the upgrade command automatically looked at the next release source repos
[23:31] <bernhard> k guys gnite
[23:32] <mo-germany> Hello everyone. Since upgrading to Kubuntu lucid, I can't enable compositing using OpenGL anymore. Has anyone experienced a similar problem?
[23:33] <yofel> mo-germany: what graphics driver?
[23:33] <MarcoPau> BUGabundo: tried loading firefox -g after installing firefox-dbg but it'll freeze at Reading symbols from /opt/firefox/firefox-bin...(no debugging symbols found)...done.
[23:33] <mo-germany> yofel: intel
[23:33] <yofel> mo-germany: depends on the card you have then, compositing in kwin works fine on my 945GME
[23:33] <BUGabundo> MarcoPau: press 'r'
[23:33] <BUGabundo> for RUN
[23:34] <BUGabundo> !debug | MarcoPau
[23:34] <mo-germany> yofel: hm, thanks. Where should I report a bug and what info is needed to fix it?
[23:35] <yofel> mo-germany: what does 'glxinfo | grep render' tell you?
[23:35] <apparle> what can I use for google voice chat?
[23:35] <apparle> other than empathy
[23:35] <monkeytwin> Skype
[23:36] <monkeytwin> oops
[23:36] <monkeytwin> ignore me
[23:36] <mo-germany> yofel: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[23:36] <mo-germany> about 10 times
[23:36] <mo-germany> and: Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
[23:36] <yofel> mo-germany: can you pastebin your Xorg log?
[23:37] <mo-germany> yofel: /var/log/Xorg.0.log, right?
[23:38] <yofel> yes
[23:38] <BUGabundo> mo-germany: $ pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[23:38] <BUGabundo> should be fast enough
[23:39] <MarcoPau> BUGabundo: SIGSEGV: 0x0472da85 in ?? () from /usr/lib/dri/r600_dri.so
[23:39] <BUGabundo> ohhhhhh
[23:39] <BUGabundo> that's _bad_
[23:39] <mo-germany> thanks, BUGabundo
[23:39] <BUGabundo> and NOTHING related to the browser
[23:39] <BUGabundo> sec MarcoPau
[23:39] <MarcoPau> video drivers
[23:40] <mo-germany> http://pastebin.com/wE2Hq7Nq
[23:40] <BUGabundo> $ dpkg -S r600_dri.so
[23:40] <BUGabundo> ia32-libs: /usr/lib32/dri/r600_dri.so
[23:40] <BUGabundo> libgl1-mesa-dri: /usr/lib/dri/r600_dri.so
[23:40] <BUGabundo> erkk mesa mess
[23:40] <ghizlane> hello i want to configure snort with iptables can you help me  if you have an idea
[23:40] <BUGabundo> MarcoPau: can you $ ubuntu-bug  ibgl1-mesa-dri
[23:40] <BUGabundo> ghizlane: running lucid ?
 is it a package?
[23:42] <MarcoPau> BUGabundo: bug cannot be reported: this is not a genuine ubuntu package
[23:43] <BUGabundo> MarcoPau: using any X ppa ?
[23:43] <BUGabundo> ghizlane: it's a release of ubuntu. well a devel code name to be more exact. you are in #ubuntu+1 , home of Lucid support
[23:43] <BUGabundo> and he goes way :(
[23:44] <MarcoPau> BUGabundo: well no, there's no ppa's for lucid, afaik
[23:44] <BUGabundo> there are MANY
[23:44] <MarcoPau> BUGabundo: I used to have some of them for karmic but release-upgrade should have disabled all of them
[23:44] <BUGabundo> MarcoPau: please pastebin your souces and sources.d/ dir
[23:45] <BUGabundo> yes it should
[23:45] <BUGabundo> MarcoPau: $ $ apt-cache policy libgl1-mesa-dri | pastebinit
[23:45] <MarcoPau> BUGabundo: after that, I haven't enabled any
[23:46] <MarcoPau> BUGabundo: that's a karmic package
[23:46] <BUGabundo> well there's you problem
[23:47] <BUGabundo> MarcoPau: $ sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade; sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[23:47] <yofel> mo-germany: I don't get this, but Xorg seems to load the nvidia glx module and then error out with "(EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)"
[23:47] <BUGabundo> or like I like to call it
[23:47] <BUGabundo> alias aptitudeupgrade='sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade ; sudo aptitude full-upgrade'
[23:47] <mo-germany> @yofel: ah, thanks. Now I get it
[23:48] <MarcoPau> BUGabundo: but the karmic packages is more recent than the lucid one. 7.8.0 versus 7.7.1
[23:48] <mo-germany> Seems like the corresponding BIOS option doesn't really kill the NVidia card ...
[23:48] <BUGabundo> mo-germany: no need for '@'. this is IRC. not µblogs
[23:48] <BUGabundo> MarcoPau: please $ apt-cache policy libgl1-mesa-dri | pastebinit
[23:48] <mo-germany> BUGabundo: It's late ;9
[23:49] <MarcoPau> BUGabundo: http://pastebin.com/p9zVVd0D
[23:49] <yofel> mo-germany: did you have the nvidia driver installed? if yes then you need to switch the open gl libs from nvidia to mesa first if you want to use intel
[23:50] <linuxman410> hey has anyone here heard about epson worforce 40 printer working in ubuntu
[23:50] <ChogyDan> is the next kernel going to be version -21 or -20?
[23:50] <BUGabundo> ChogyDan: current is .20
[23:50] <mo-germany> yofel: yes, temporarily, to test the Nvidia card
[23:50] <BUGabundo> but was removed today because of problems
[23:50] <mo-germany> how do I do that
[23:50] <mo-germany> ?
[23:50] <BUGabundo> although I have it running fine
[23:50] <yofel> mo-germany: sudo update-alternatives --config gl_conf
[23:51] <BUGabundo> MarcoPau: please PURGE that package and reinstall from archive . you have the old PPA version which is higher
[23:51] <yofel> mo-germany: select mesa and restarting X should be enough (I think...)
[23:51] <BUGabundo> MarcoPau: you can user ppa-purge tool from pp-edgers ppa
[23:51] <BUGabundo> I know, its ironic :)
[23:52] <mo-germany> yofel: thanks a lot, I'll try and report back
[23:52] <MarcoPau> BUGabundo: LOL ok I'll reinstall that
[23:52] <BUGabundo> MarcoPau: NOT reinstall
[23:52] <BUGabundo> remove the ppa orphan version of all PPA packages
[23:52] <MarcoPau> BUGabundo: yeah, purge and (re)install
[23:52] <BUGabundo> and install archive
[23:52] <BUGabundo> the ppa-purge tool should to that for you pretty easy
[23:53] <BUGabundo> MarcoPau: better do that from a recovery console with network
[23:53] <BUGabundo> be ready for some GPU probs
[23:53] <BUGabundo> then again you are already facing those
[23:54] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: please read backlog from (2010-04-12 23:39:16) MarcoPau: BUGabundo: SIGSEGV: 0x0472da85 in ?? () from /usr/lib/dri/r600_dri.so
[23:57] <MarcoPau> BUGabundo: ok I'm off, thanks for now!
[23:57] <Sarvatt> BUGabundo: what do you want me to look at? you fixed his problem :)
[23:57] <BUGabundo> ok
[23:57] <BUGabundo> just saying in case you find more reports
[23:58] <Sarvatt> i get emails about it every day
[23:58] <BUGabundo> and in case you want to fixe your ppa
[23:58] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:58] <BUGabundo> I see
[23:58] <Sarvatt> whats there to fix?
[23:58] <BUGabundo> I don't know
[23:58] <BUGabundo> its making flash crash
[23:58] <Sarvatt> theres a note you need to ppa-purge when upgrading on there, cant make people read it :)
[23:58] <BUGabundo> your are our beloved dev
[23:58] <BUGabundo> I'm just a support monkey and FLOSS advocate
[23:59] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: sure you can, make it Pink! seems to have worked for canonical /rant
[23:59] <Sarvatt> would be nice if the release upgrade process did the equivalent to ppa-purge instead of just disabling PPAs on upgrade :(
[23:59] <BUGabundo> ping mvo on it ?