[10:58] <FatPhil> I'm feeling a bit derpy - is there a tutorial for creating a persistent live lubuntu usb? I last did it about 3 years ago, and forgot to take notes.
[11:25] <kc2bez> FatPhil: I think the best tool for that is mk-usb https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb
[11:47] <FatPhil> yeah, I do remember using that tool in the past. Alas, I can't find what machine I must have done it on.
[11:51] <FatPhil> However, it gets worse - I'm not even seeing any live isos any more!
[11:56] <kc2bez> If you need to download a Lubuntu iso, you can find them here: https://lubuntu.me/downloads
[12:09] <FatPhil> Ah, they work as live images as well as installation media?
[16:13] <kc2bez> FatPhil: sorry I missed your message earlier. Yes the downloads are both live images and install media.
[16:31] <bob> 20.04 MATE desktop.  Right-click works ONLY in apps and menus, NOT on the desktop.  Any ideas?
[21:47] <FatPhil> looks like my /var/lib/dpkg/status is corrupt, is there anyway I can replace or regenerate it. I do have a status-old - can I just copy that back and cross my fingers?
[21:49] <FatPhil> heck, the system's trashed, I can't lose anything, fingers being crossed...
[21:56] <FatPhil> it seemed to cope - did an apt upgrade, but that stopped with an error: dpkg: error processing archive /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-dXkVVc/4-dbus_1.12.16-2ubuntu2.3_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[21:56] <FatPhil> unable to make backup link of './usr/lib/dbus-1.0/dbus-daemon-launch-helper' before installing new version: Input/output error
[21:59] <arraybolt3> Yikes, I/O error could indicate a disk problemm.
[21:59] <arraybolt3> Which may also explain how /var/lib/dpkg/status got corrupted?
[21:59] <FatPhil> ls -al on the dir shows me there's a socket with that name, but any attempt to open it gives the io error
[21:59] <FatPhil> yeah, there was corruption from an unclean shutdown
[22:00] <arraybolt3> Hmm... you might need to run a filesystem check?
[22:00] <FatPhil> but that's a socket, not a realfile
[22:01] <arraybolt3> True. That's odd.
[22:01] <FatPhil> I did a reboot into recovery mode a week or soback,I forgot what it told me when I fscked - I'llreboot and try again
[22:04]  * FatPhil carelessly trips his own sshd fail2ban
[22:07] <FatPhil> ah. I can't do the 'dpkg' option from the recovery boot, as I don't have the network up - how do I do that?
[22:07] <FatPhil> it's running inside a QEMU on a devuan, and the desktop live boot just worked on picking up the network automatically
[22:08] <FatPhil> ah, the 'network' option just did some stuff in the blink of an eye and has appeared to cope
[22:12] <FatPhil> ugh, resume normal boot doesn't resume normal boot, it resumes default boot, without my high-viz settings. But worse - it confuses the QEMU about the size of the screen so that the desktop pans around like an old fashioned virtual desktop from the 90s - whilst simultaneously not taking up the whole of the QEMU window.
[22:13] <FatPhil> feature request - given that 'fsck' can't be run after 'dpkg' in the recovery menu, and you need to reboot - how about adding a 'reboot' option to the recovery menu?
[22:14] <arraybolt3> That seems like it might be useful.
[22:14] <arraybolt3> Not sure off the top of my head how one would implement that (I think Recovery Mode is built into the kernel?), but it would be handy.
[22:15] <FatPhil> Only a minute later did I think about dropping to root shell and shutdown -h now!
[22:19] <FatPhil> Ah, yes, now I remember how fsck didn't work: /lib/recovery-mode/recovery-menu: line 80 /etc/default/rcS: no such file or directory
[22:25] <FatPhil> of course, on the persistent live boot, /etc/ is part of the cow overlay confusion - can I just put an empty file there? Or condition out the line that sources it in recovery-menu?
[22:33] <arraybolt3> Sadly, I don't know.
[22:36] <FatPhil> I could even try to replace it with a real file - this is the 20.04 image - can I grab that file from anywhere?
[22:37] <FatPhil> I'm not sure how /cow deals with deletions - presumably the lack of a dentry in the overwritten dir just means the file is no longer visible. I can't imagine a way to undo that dir overwriting.
[23:00] <FatPhil> not according to kernel docs:  "If both actual lookups find directories, both are stored and a merged directory is created" -- https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/next/filesystems/overlayfs.html
[23:01] <FatPhil> oooh, there's more info later in that doc
[23:25] <FatPhil> of course, I forgot about the google options: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2452636 https://askubuntu.com/questions/1087205/fsck-e2fsck-cannot-continue-aborting ...
[23:26] <FatPhil> first reported Aug 3, 2018, it seems, and still an issue in 2022


[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #48113 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 (main) "X blank after startup" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48113
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #156021 in xorg (main) "Gutsy-Upgrade-or-Live-CD: Resolution Bug with a Matrox Millenium G450 (Dualhead) Graficcard" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156021
[10:44] <ubotu> New bug: #155326 in xorg (main) "xorg crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155326
[10:52] <ubotu> New bug: #156138 in xorg (main) "x.org doesn't start while installation on DELL Latitude D830" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156138
[11:06] <ubotu> New bug: #155555 in xorg (main) "xorg uses large ammounts of CPU, and framerate becomes choppy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155555
[11:41] <ubotu> New bug: #54680 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.15 (restricted) "Dual Head gives square cursor (or "SWCursor" crashes gnome)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54680
[12:36] <ubotu> New bug: #150054 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati (restricted) "ati restricted suggested for radeon 2600 - does not work (X crashes - vesa at least worked)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/150054
[14:50] <ubotu> New bug: #156042 in ubuntu "amd xorg driver not detected for Geode LX video controller (dup-of: 140051)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156042
[15:59] <_jz> hi there
[15:59] <_jz> so far: 4 hours with feisty's xserver-xorg and xserver-xorg-video-ati packages and no freeze !
[16:00] <_jz> but dependancy hell i might need help with :) (how to make gutsy believe these are the right packages for me ?)
[16:14] <tepsipakki> _jz: you managed to install them anyway?
[16:14] <_jz> yes !
[16:14] <_jz> dpkg -i ! didn't even need to --force-all %)
[16:14] <tepsipakki> so where is the problem?-)
[16:15] <_jz> the problem is now when i try to install anything i got http://pastebin.com/d33b08eb
[16:16] <tepsipakki> so only downgrading ati didn't help?
[16:16] <_jz> arg i didn't try :/
[16:16] <_jz> i began with xserver-xorg
[16:17] <tepsipakki> upgrade the server
[16:17] <_jz> and when trying to launch it, it told me undefined symbol in blahbla radeon, which made me think of geting -ati too ;)
[16:17] <_jz> but what about the fact that mergefb doesn't work anymore ?
[16:18] <_jz> i now use my old config with mergedfb again
[16:18] <tepsipakki> forget mergedfb
[16:18] <tepsipakki> it's dead
[16:18] <_jz> hmm ok  :)
[16:18] <_jz> i upgraded, let's see at the next login
[16:19] <_jz> wow no.. shit hits the fan :/
[16:21] <_jz> ok. Setting up xserver-xorg-core (2:<IP_ADDRESS>.dfsg-12ubuntu8) ... Setting up xserver-xorg (1:7.2-5ubuntu13) ...
[16:43] <ubotu> New bug: #156203 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "New upstream madwifi release (9.3.3) fixes DoS attack" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156203
[16:46] <tepsipakki> bryce: I'll file a sync-request for a lot of packages
[17:00] <tepsipakki> ..but it would be stupid to push at this moment, before the new server
[17:00] <tepsipakki> since they'd need to be reuploaded
[17:10]  * bryce nods
[17:11] <tepsipakki> bug 156298
[17:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 156298 in xorg "please sync from Debian" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156298
[17:15] <ubotu> New bug: #156298 in xorg (main) "please sync from Debian" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156298
[17:15] <tepsipakki> I'll heh
[17:15] <tepsipakki> hum?
[17:15] <tepsipakki> "I'll" something
[17:17] <tepsipakki> ..be gone, for instance
[17:17] <tepsipakki> bbl
[17:18] <bryce> I wonder if MoM has been turned back on yet
[17:18] <tepsipakki> it has
[17:19] <tepsipakki> but I was looking at DaD :)
[17:19] <tepsipakki> another try ->
[19:38] <ubotu> New bug: #156325 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 (restricted) "New fglrx 8.42.3 to Gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156325
[19:46] <ubotu> New bug: #147372 in ubuntu "ATI Radeon x1300 not working in Gutsy (dup-of: 132716)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147372
[19:46] <ubotu> New bug: #154130 in fglrx-driver "Auto install of fglrx 'restricted' driver results in non working system (dup-of: 132716)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154130
[19:46] <ubotu> New bug: #154820 in fglrx-driver "[Gutsy]Random Black Screen while loading GDM (dup-of: 132716)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154820
[20:31] <tepsipakki> bryce: hmm, are you sure 147372 is a dupe of 132716?
[20:31] <bryce> not 100%; please undupe if you think it's incorrect
[20:32] <tepsipakki> I'd close 147372 as won't fix, since he's basically asking for enabling fglrx by default
[20:32] <tepsipakki> maybe you got the dupe number wrong :)
[20:33] <tepsipakki> btw, do you think I should upload the server even though input-hotplug has issues right now?
[20:33] <tepsipakki> and the new hal exposes them
[20:35] <tepsipakki> see debian bug 442316
[20:35] <ubotu> Debian bug 442316 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "xserver-xorg-input-evdev: evdev from experimental messes up my keyboard layout" [Grave,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/442316
[20:38] <bryce> lemme look
[20:39] <bryce> hmm, it's marked grave; that sounds bad
[20:39] <bryce> in general, at this early stage I feel we do need to "break a few eggs to make the cake"
[20:39] <tepsipakki> heh, true
[20:40] <bryce> on the other hand, for hardy it'd be nice if we could be attentive to avoid putting in stuff we already know have serious issues
[20:41] <bryce> I guess the question is, assuming this will get fixed in good time, will this problem inhibit other ubuntu developers from doing work on hardy?
[20:41] <tepsipakki> they don't need to upgrade
[20:42] <tepsipakki> :)
[20:42] <bryce> heh
[20:42] <tepsipakki> or just let them know what it might do
[20:42] <tepsipakki> mail ubuntu-devel or something
[20:42] <tepsipakki> anyway, I'll test that first
[20:42] <bryce> sure
[20:43] <bryce> as long as there is a workaround or manual solution, I think it's probably fine
[20:43] <tepsipakki> besides, the last comment by daniels makes me feel like it's "just" a configuration issue
[20:44] <bryce> yeah
[20:45] <bryce> maybe we can put a hardcoded workaround into dexconf or something
[20:45] <tepsipakki> it ignores xorg.conf completely, so that wouldn't work :)
[20:46] <bryce> btw, I've updated http://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Projects a bit
[20:46] <bryce> erf
[20:46] <tepsipakki> at least that's how I understood it
[20:49] <tepsipakki> if it really is b0rked, then a simple hal upload would fix it for now
[20:50] <tepsipakki> just keep the file somewhere else so that it can be easily debugged
[20:50] <tepsipakki> if needed
[20:50] <tepsipakki> anyway, I'll upgrade my laptop now :)
[20:50] <bryce> I guess the main thing we need to avoid is causing major breakage for everyone here before UDS
[20:51] <bryce> since after all, we'll be in slapping distance of everyone in a week
[20:51] <bryce> after UDS... ppffft, they can suffer
[20:51] <bryce> ;-)
[20:51] <tepsipakki> hehe
[20:51] <bryce> of course, xserver 1.4.1 comes out in november, so worst case we could put things off until that
[20:56] <tepsipakki> nah, I think that mbiebl (the debian hal maintainer) will remove the fdi for now, so it shouldn't break anything after that (knocks on wood..)
[21:25] <tepsipakki> uh, x11proto-render needs to be updated for xserver to build
[21:25] <tepsipakki> =synced, not going to happen today
[21:25] <bryce> oops
[21:25] <tepsipakki> I'll build it locally
[21:25]  * bryce nods
[21:26] <bryce> I've updated this merge status page for hardy http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Xorg/versions_current.html
[21:26] <ubotu> New bug: #35824 in xkeyboard-config (main) "Keyboard Layout options: The "X86AudioRaiseVolume" button stopped working in Logitech keyboard models" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/35824
[21:28] <tepsipakki> ah, right.. I've forgot universe (where those input-drivers are)
[22:04] <bryce> heya pcjc2 and tormod
[22:04] <pcjc2> hi
[22:04] <tormod> hi bryce, why are you duping all these fglrx bugs onto poor 132716?
[22:05] <bryce> two were dupes of each other; sounded like one of those was duping 1327716 so moved both to that
[22:05] <tormod> aha, just saw you unduped one also :)
[22:05] <bryce> I could be wrong though; I didn't review them very closely
[22:06] <bryce> they had all been filed against 'driver-fglrx' so they needed moved
[22:07] <bryce> I saw they involved blank screen, so figured they were the same bug; feel free to de-dupe if not, but make sure to list them against l-r-m instead of fglrx-driver
[22:07] <pcjc2> I'm just (painfully slowly) moving backup data of my new laptop HDD, and will try the Gutsy install CD oon
[22:08] <pcjc2> I want to see if I can reproduce the console problems people have experienced with some intel cards. (I know I tried to reproduce a bug for someone who was using intel-fb and couldn't get any console output
[22:11] <bryce> awesome!  I've also noticed you're doing some good bug triaging on -intel
[22:14] <pcjc2> There is a surprising amount of work
[22:14] <pcjc2> seems like there are lots of mis-probed resolution issues dotted about
[22:15]  * bryce nods
[22:15] <bryce> we did a ton of work on resolution issues in Gutsy, so any of those that haven't been tested on gutsy-final should be tested against that first
[22:15] <pcjc2> I heard rumours of a 2.1.2 driver being released at some point
[22:16] <bryce> I've not heard anything official
[22:16] <pcjc2> nothing official of course
[22:16] <bryce> however Jesse told me that at Intel they made the decision to put out a driver update quarterly
[22:16] <pcjc2> Mandriva have this patch, which we don't.. http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/x11-driver-video-intel/current/SOURCES/x11-driver-video-i810-vt_fix.patch?revision=15186&view=markup
[22:17] <pcjc2> related to VT switching. I'm trying to chase what it was supposed to fix
[22:17] <pcjc2> http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/x11-driver-video-intel/current/SOURCES/
[22:17] <pcjc2> You'll see that they also have something about mode-probing and the G33 issue (possibly kernel specific though?)
[22:18] <bryce> is there a bug id associated with that, or something to give some background of what issue it solves?
[22:18] <bryce> interesting; yeah I added to the projects list that we should go through mandriva's patches and snarf up anything that looks useful
[22:18] <pcjc2> there wasn't unfortunately, the changelog entry just says: "prevents the driver from doing operations when we do not have the VT lock"
[22:19] <bryce> hmm
[22:19] <pcjc2> I've emailed the person who committed it to see if he remembers (at the suggestion of Colin Guthrie at Mandriva)
[22:19] <bryce> cool
[22:20] <pcjc2> Sounds like they're continuing to ship the i810 driver due to some old 845 hardware which doesn't play nice. (He linked me some of the bugs). Mostly they're about mode detection, or black screen
[22:20] <pcjc2> sounds like you just commented on one
[22:22] <pcjc2> My neighbour is excited about the new ATI driver out
[22:22] <bryce> heh, my friend scislac is as well
[22:22] <pcjc2> apparently the old one broke suspend / resume with the Gutsy kernel due to the memory allocator changes
[22:23] <tormod> "ATI" as in "fglrx" I suppose?
[22:23] <pcjc2> I think so. Will it get backported?
[22:23] <bryce> maybe; I listed that as a task for us, but I don't know if it's feasible to put l-r-m changes in to -backports.  tormod or tepsipakki, do you know?
[22:23] <tormod> maybe, but first it has to sit in Hardy for a while?
[22:24] <tormod> and ferment...
[22:24] <tepsipakki> tormod: well, those are kernel version dependant, so not really
[22:24] <tepsipakki> I haven't seen a l-r-m update before :)
[22:24] <pcjc2> I guess  this is a down-side to having lots of packages all togeher in l-u-m or the kernel its self
[22:24] <tormod> it's the downside of restricted software :)
[22:25] <tepsipakki> bryce: subscribed ubuntu-x as bugmail contact for pixman (a build req for xserver >=1.4)
[22:25] <bryce> cool
[22:25] <pcjc2> Sounds like a quarterly release of the Intel driver will be handy...
[22:25] <tepsipakki> that needs an update as well, but it'll get autosynced
[22:26] <tepsipakki> pixman that is
[22:26] <pcjc2> What are policies like on using git versions from upstream?
[22:26] <tepsipakki> duh, I thought libpixman-0.1.6 got removed already
[22:27] <pcjc2> (I went over the logs for the Intel driver, there are _lots_ of changes, lots of fixes, and if I had 965 HW, I suspect I'd be building that to see if it fixes any of the issues)
[22:31] <bryce> tepsipakki: do you mean for debian?  I don't think it got removed for ubuntu
[22:33] <tepsipakki> no ubuntu. I filed a sync-request back in august for pixman, and also asked for libpixman to be removed, but I guess they should have been separate bugs :)
[22:33] <bryce> ahh
[22:34] <tepsipakki> actually, pixman got through NEW
[22:34] <tepsipakki> xorg-server build about to commence..
[22:37] <pcjc2_> now to take pointy screwdriver to under side of laptop.. (Just finished clearing the disk, and have burned the gutsy CD)
[22:52] <bryce> an inkscape buddie of mine pimped up our logo a bit - https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat
[22:55] <pcjc2_> I wish I had artistic talent
[22:58] <pcjc2_> The installer is nice ;).. I installed at Feisty-1 (can't remember which that was), and used the text installer
[23:16] <pcjc2_> shiney... it set up the frame buffer console better than I ever managed
[23:18] <tepsipakki> tormod: I've merged savage, because I need to build it for my laptop :)
[23:18] <tormod> there's a new one out?
[23:19] <tormod> or from git?
[23:19] <tepsipakki> yes, 2.1.3
[23:19] <tepsipakki> your patch is newer than that
[23:20] <tormod> oh yes, we have 2.1.2 in UBuntu, but it's patched up to or beyond 2.1.3 I think :)
[23:20] <tepsipakki> nah, that was the only patch
[23:22] <tormod> I see. I guess the rest was not so interesting at that time. What did you need for your laptop?
[23:22] <tepsipakki> I'm testing xserver-1.4
[23:22] <tormod> do you also have an AGP card?
[23:22] <tormod> cool, do you have any xserver-1.4 packages out there?
[23:23] <tepsipakki> yes, I'll put them somewhere when I've done some testing first
[23:23] <tormod> I guess I can just recompile 1.4 from Debian...
[23:23] <tepsipakki> yeah
[23:23] <tormod> but debs would be nice, for general consumption
[23:24] <tormod> do you also have agp freeze after resume?
[23:24] <tepsipakki> with savage? no
[23:25] <tormod> how unfair :) what card do you have?
[23:26] <tepsipakki> it's a thinkpad T23 with supersavage IX/C SDR
[23:27] <tepsipakki> and a hefty 8Mb of videoram
[23:27] <tepsipakki> ie. no DRI :)
[23:27] <tormod> ok that explain things.
[23:28] <tormod> I have a luxurious 16MB (stolen from system RAM) and can play tuxracer on my TwisterK.
[23:28] <tormod> did you upload your new savage to Hardy?
[23:30] <tepsipakki> no, makes sense to put all driver updates on hold until 1.4 is in
[23:40] <bryce> ok, got the last of the New -intel bugs triaged; we're at 0 finally :-)
[23:43] <tormod> tepsipakki: ok I understand. I'll wait impatiently for 1.4 :)
[23:43] <tormod> bryce: \o/
[23:45] <tepsipakki> now running 1.4 with us keymap :)
[23:47] <tormod> I have 1.4 on my debian partition and it works fine: actually everything GUI is much faster on Debian, Can it be the gtk themes and all that stuff that makes ubuntu slower?
[23:47] <tormod> faster like in snappier
[23:47] <bryce> doubtful
[23:48] <tormod> it's full gnome in Debian also, but maybe without n-m and deskbar applet etc.
[23:49] <tormod> can it be 1.4 vs 1.3? I think Debian was snappier than Ubuntu even when both had 1.3.
[23:49] <bryce> hmm
[23:49] <bryce> or it could be a driver difference I guess...
[23:50] <tormod> no, the savage driver is pretty much the same.
[23:50] <bryce> hmm
[23:50] <bryce> maybe one of the ubuntu-only patches we carry in the xserver?
[23:51] <bryce> are both using xaa?  exa might make a difference
[23:51] <tormod> it's a 1Ghz 256-16 laptop, so I really get to see the nuances that many spoiled people does not see.
[23:51] <bryce> might be interesting to diff the Xorg.0.log to see if anything pops out
[23:52] <bryce> of course it could also be kernel differences I guess
[23:52] <tormod> good idea. I'll compare the logs. kernel? I have tried <IP_ADDRESS> on Gutsy without too much difference.
[23:53]  * bryce crosses out an item on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X
[23:53] <bryce> er, ...X/Projects
[23:53] <tormod> though it was compiled with the Ubuntu config, so if there's a CONF_RUN_SLOW :)
[23:54] <bryce> also, if you really suspect it's a theme (which it certainly could be), then might be interesting to try switching it
[23:54] <tormod> that sounds like a logical way of finding out. will do (another day).
[23:55] <bryce> hmm, since it's a laptop, you could also check the cpufreq setting; I noticed on one of my laptops that it runs at 50% (maybe just when on battery?)
[23:55] <bryce> I've always found that laptop less "snappy" than my desktop, but I think it's more due to disk IO sluggishness (but not sure why)
[23:55] <tormod> I'll double-check.
[23:56] <tormod> Yes, my laptop got much faster when I replaced the cheap, crap Toshiba disk with a newer Samsung
[23:56] <tormod> and a lot quieter....
[23:57] <tormod> so I should check hdparm -Tt in Debian vs Ubuntu as well.


[20:38] <aliendude3500> 18 more seconds until these are done downloading... I'll let you know if it fixes it...
[20:38] <aliendude3500> Installing now...
[20:38] <coz_> aliendude3500,  I would reboot after that
[20:39] <aliendude3500> did they finally get xsplash and plymouth working right? :D
[20:40] <aliendude3500> my other PC with a Core i7 extreme edition CPU and an ATI Radeon 4850HD gpu won't even boot Ubuntu unless I turn splash and quiet off in GRUB :(
[20:40] <coz_> aliendude3500,  I am not sure if plymouth or xplash is working on my ati machine ...my guess plymouth  but its not much to look at
[20:41] <tyranos> i m having issues with cpu overheating
[20:41] <coz_> tyranos,  laptop or desktop
[20:43] <tyranos> laptop
[20:43] <coz_> tyranos,  nvidia ,  ati .. or intel
[20:44] <tyranos> ati
[20:44] <coz_> tyranos,  mm   hopefully the fan is working :)...but I would speak to soreau  about this when he logs on
[20:47] <tyranos> thx coz_ , i really have no idea where this could be coming from, another thing wich is broken is the on-demand governor it sucks like 28 watts , 7 more watt than jaunty , and 3 more watt than when set manually to 2.00 GHz
[20:48] <coz_> tyranos, yikes!  well,,, the problem for me is that I have absolutely no experience with laptops and their issues  so I cant confidently help here with that
[20:48] <coz_> tyranos,  i dont soreau uses a laptop but he does know about ati solutions
[20:48] <soee> any idea what do i have to do to run openshot under 10.04 b3 ?
[20:48] <coz_> tyranos,  so if it is a drive
[20:48] <tyranos> coz_,  when i cat /proc/acpi/fan/fanN/state it says off
[20:48] <coz_> tyranos,  if it is a driver issue soreau should know
[20:49] <coz_> tyranos,  mm  the fan for the cpu?????
[20:49] <tyranos> yes
[20:49] <coz_> tyranos,  oooo witih ati  you dont want to run that for long without a fan going
[20:50] <tyranos> yeah this is a desktop i m writing from and i suspend the laptop everytime it reaches 70C
[20:57] <aliendude3500> well... I rebooted after installing those updates, and now the white bars are, infact, gone... :D
[20:57] <coz_> aliendude3500,  there you go
[20:57] <aliendude3500> however, what the heck happened to my Ubuntu logo on the Applications menu? It looks ugly now...:/
[20:57] <coz_> aliendude3500,  is it real light?
[20:57] <aliendude3500> It's really opaque on top of blurry and real light.
[20:58] <aliendude3500> I'll get a screenshot...
[20:58] <coz_> aliendude3500,  that sounds like the Radiance theme which ...unfortunately ...is default
[20:58]  * aliendude3500 is on New Wave
[20:58] <coz_> aliendude3500,  try system/preference/appearance and change the theme
[20:58] <aliendude3500> The logo looks fine in Radiance.
[20:58] <coz_> aliendude3500,  part of the new community themes package i believe
[20:58] <aliendude3500> looks fine in Human too
[20:59] <aliendude3500> It used to look a LOT better in New Wave though, and the new update just broke it... :/
[20:59] <coz_> aliendude3500,  you can change that as well
[21:00] <aliendude3500> The new look is pretty bad... :/
[21:01] <coz_> aliendude3500,   I cant reciece DCC  so if you have an image upload to picpaste.com
[21:01] <aliendude3500> k...
[21:02] <aliendude3500> http://picpaste.com/Screenshot-4.png
[21:03] <aliendude3500> It looks just as bad in Dust as well.
[21:03] <coz_> aliendude3500,  this one is the new look?
[21:03] <aliendude3500> no. That's New Wave.
[21:03] <coz_> aliendude3500,  you like thatone?
[21:03] <aliendude3500> It looks fine in Radiance, but New Wave and Dust look bad.
[21:03] <ZykoticK9> aliendude3500, my New Wave looks like that too
[21:03] <aliendude3500> I liked the old look in New Wave.
[21:03] <coz_> aliendude3500, well you could try this    http://www.pendrivelinux.com/changing-the-ubuntu-start-menu-panel-icon/
[21:03] <aliendude3500> The logo looks really unprofessional now...
[21:04] <coz_> aliendude3500, yes pure white icons for ubuntu symbol are just not good
[21:04] <ZykoticK9> aliendude3500, i'm guessing its a bug really
[21:04] <aliendude3500> The theme change is causing TONS of bugs lately...
[21:05] <aliendude3500> coz_, the _new_ theme looks A LOT WORSE than that... :(
[21:05] <aliendude3500> look at this... http://picpaste.com/Screenshot-5_1.png
[21:05] <aliendude3500> it's horrendous.
[21:06] <coz_> aliendude3500,  that has always been the default icon for ubuntu menu
[21:06] <aliendude3500> coz_, in new wave, it wasn't blurry though. It JUST changed after today's updates. I'd know -- I've been using this theme for a year and a half.
[21:07] <coz_> aliendude3500,  likey a bug ..remember this is only beta
[21:07] <aliendude3500> Did you look at the _whole_ screenshot 5 image? You should immediately notice the color inconsistencies
[21:07] <ZykoticK9> coz_, if you compare Ambiance with Dust,DarkRoom,or New Wave - the icon looks very different
[21:07] <coz_> ZykoticK9,  ok let me try it on the lucid machine
[21:08] <aliendude3500> coz_ I'm not talking about just the logo problem in Screenshot 4, I'm talking about the whole screen being badly formatted in Screenshot 5, this image: http://picpaste.com/Screenshot-5_1.png
[21:08] <coz_> ZykoticK9,  well on the lucid machine the menu icon remains white  regarless of which theme I use
[21:09] <aliendude3500> The logo is nothing compared to the whole top panel being dichromatic, and the window buttons being misformed...
[21:09] <ZykoticK9> coz_, but does it appear sorta doubled/overlapping?  I'm gonna try in a VM as well
[21:09] <DanaG> heh, I went to file a bug on gnome-power-manager, and it said this:
[21:09] <DanaG> Distro version: YOUR MOM
[21:09] <DanaG> squeeze/sid
[21:09] <coz_> ZykoticK9,  no    ..there is no double or overlapping
[21:09] <DanaG> I forgot I had done that.
[21:10] <crashsystems> I'm having an interesting audio issue. When "connector" on the output tab of sound preferences is set to analog output, I get no audio in my laptop speakers. I do get audo when I set it to analog speakers. No matter what I set it to, I'll get audo through headphones when I plug them in.
[21:11] <crashsystems> This reminds me of a similar issue I had during the 9.10 cycle.
[21:11] <syke> hi
[21:11] <aliendude3500> Also, how can I make the text on the center of the window title again?
[21:12] <aliendude3500> It's left-aligned now.
[21:13] <syke> I'm having trouble building ccnet from sources; it is looking for mono-3.5 environment, but the mono-<IP_ADDRESS> packages in karmic and lucid don't apepar to provide that
[21:14] <syke> does anyone know when mono-2.6 will be added to lucid, or if there is a PPA somewhere I can use?
[21:14] <syke> google was no help on this front
[21:14] <aliendude3500> you can probably find debian packages for mono and install those.
[21:15] <aliendude3500> Thats what I do for open office...
[21:15] <syke> I could try that
[21:15] <syke> I did that once with 7.04 and it screwed up my pkg deps, tho..
[21:15] <coz_> ok be back in a bit
[21:15] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/496994
[21:16] <ZykoticK9> aliendude3500, in my VM (updated 13 hours ago) the icon problem doesn't exist - there is an update to humanity-icon-theme currently installing - wonder if it's the cause?
[21:16] <aliendude3500> Someone seriously needs to change Wine's default behavior -- how can I set executable permissions if I'm running software from a read-only media like a CD-Rom? :/
[21:17] <ZykoticK9> aliendude3500, rather then clicking on it use cli "wine program"
[21:17] <aliendude3500> ZykoticK9, I know that...
[21:17] <aliendude3500> I just think there should be more options than just OK in the dialog box
[21:17] <aliendude3500> like "Run Anyways (Unsafe)"
[21:17] <aliendude3500> and "Make Executable"
[21:18] <aliendude3500> :D
[21:18] <aliendude3500> Makes sense to me...
[21:19] <aliendude3500> IMHO the last thing Canonical should be doing in an LTS release is a complete visual refresh...
[21:19] <aliendude3500> It could potentially cause tons of problems in the long run...
[21:20] <crashsystems> I love the new themes so far.
[21:21] <aliendude3500> crashsystems, I have no problems with the themes themselves, except for the Window Buttons being on the left.
[21:21] <aliendude3500> It's easy to accidentally close a window when attempting to click a menu.
[21:21] <crashsystems> yeah, I did not like them over on the left ether. Moving them is the first thing I did upon update.
[21:22] <aliendude3500> I haven't met one person who said they like it on the left yet...
[21:22] <crashsystems> I bet someone switching from Mac would not mind
[21:22] <ZykoticK9> crashsystems, 45 people here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1422422
[21:23] <aliendude3500> It's not as bad on a mac, as the Menus are on the top panel, where they are seperate from the title bar, but on Ubuntu, with the title bar connected to the menu bar, it's just a bad design trying to attract attention by copying mac.
[21:23] <aliendude3500> ZykoticK9, Thanks for the link -- gonna vote right now! :D
[21:24] <crashsystems> if they had decided to put it on the right, would they have been accused of copying windows?
[21:24] <ZykoticK9> aliendude3500, sorry man sent that to the wrong person
[21:25] <aliendude3500> ZykoticK9, you posted it publicly... not in a private message, it didnt get 'sent' to anyone in particular...
[21:28] <red> is there any fix to ambiance panel background?
[21:28] <red> if it's the default size it is ok
[21:28] <red> but I have a big resolution and like to go from 24->32px
[21:29] <red> but the background of the panel in ambiance stops at 24 :)
[21:29] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/534677
[21:29] <DanaG> red: I have the same issue.  it makes the theme 100% unusable for me. =þ
[21:29] <red> DanaG: yup
[21:29] <red> i went to theme customize and picked New Wave menu styles
[21:29] <red> keeping ambiance buttons tho
[21:30] <red> now im off to gnome-look to get ReMix icon theme
[21:30] <red> it's <3
[21:30] <DanaG> it's less than three?  =þ
[21:30] <DanaG> don't you mean '♥'?
[21:30] <DanaG> =þ
[21:31] <red> not everyone uses UTF-8 so I play it safe :)
[21:31] <red> and i can't recall all those combinations :D
[21:32] <Tscheesy> KCharSelect ;)
[21:33] <Tscheesy> od without the k probalbly..
[21:33] <Tscheesy> s/od/or
[21:33] <red> doh
[21:33] <red> downloaded wrong sourcecodes for xbmc
[21:33] <red> one hour of compiling to waste xD
[21:33] <DanaG> I use the "latex" input method in ibus.
[21:36] <conb123> Anyone know what that pixel compiz cube skydome is called? I really liked it
[21:37] <cousteau> trying to run UNE Lucid Alpha from VirtualBox, but it doesn't work, I only see a black screen and CPU usage
[21:37] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/534677
[21:38] <DanaG> what pixel? huh?
[21:39] <conb123> DanaG: It was a skydome for compiz which was like really pixelated, aha I think i've found it, don't worry
[21:39] <skyjumper> anyone else getting a 1px border around their desktop in lucid?
[21:39] <conb123> DanaG: There http://still.chearon.net/skydomes.php?o=1
[21:39] <skyjumper> and know what to do about it
[21:39] <red> wtf
[21:40] <red> all of sudden sudo stops working
[21:40] <red> then i thought might be due not setting a pass
[21:40] <red> so i do sudo passwd
[21:40] <red> red is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[21:40] <DanaG> are you in the 'admin' group?
[21:42] <red> ticked everything in users & settings and now it works
[21:42] <red> funny that it worked for couple hours :)
[21:42] <red> (on a fresh install here)
[21:43] <DanaG> watch out, supposedly we should NOT be in "audio" group.
[21:45] <red> what package do i need for archive manager to handle zip
[21:45] <red> i already have rar, unrar, zip, unzip, p7zip
[21:46] <red> can always use commandline but it's unnecessarily slow :p
[21:55] <lubosz> hi
[21:55] <lubosz> i cannot insert the nvidia kernel module from nvidia-current. i have a gtx275.
[21:55] <lubosz> FATAL: Error inserting nvidia_current (/lib/modules/2.6.32-16-generic/updates/dkms/nvidia-current.ko): No such device
[21:55] <lubosz> funny thing is that it worked once
[21:55] <lubosz> the driver from nvidia.com also cannot insert the kernel module
[21:56] <lubosz> this is my installer log 187158
[21:56] <lubosz> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/187158/
[21:57] <lubosz> i mada a xorg.conf with nvidia-xconfig, which funnily is not in my $PATH, its in /usr/lib/nvidia-current/bin/nvidia-xconfig from nvidia-current
[21:58] <bjsnider> the nvidia-installer will no longer work on lucid
[21:58] <lubosz> bjsnider: it worked once
[21:58] <lubosz> today
[21:58] <lubosz> ^^
[21:58] <bjsnider> not anymore
[21:58] <lubosz> ok
[21:58] <lubosz> so what about nvidia-current.ko
[21:58] <bjsnider> it would work if you removed jockey, but it would likely pooch the xorg/mesa system
[21:59] <bjsnider> i haven't seena nybody recover from it yet
[21:59] <lubosz> jockey is not working like in karmic, is it?
[22:00] <bjsnider> the whole system has been rewritten to use alternatives instead of diversions
[22:00] <lubosz> i have nvidia_current activated in jockey
[22:03] <xangua> hi there, i am using the latest rhythmbox in karmic but aparently, because a bug, it stops playing music and freezes. I read a bug about this in launchpad and i only wanted to know it this stills happens in lucid lynx's thythmbox package
[22:03] <lubosz> this is my problem with the kernel module: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/187160/
[22:06] <rye> well, am I the only one who got broken X today due to nvidia drivers replacement by nouveau?
[22:06] <lubosz> rye: no :)
[22:07]  * rye still has X broken, trying to find what to fix...
[22:07] <rye> ah
[22:07] <lubosz> rye: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/187160/
[22:07] <lubosz> this is my problem
[22:07] <infecto> crimsun: here?
[22:07] <lubosz> how do i list packages that are newer / different than those in the repository, that are installed?
[22:08] <rye> lubosz, you will definitely need to rmmod all nouveau modules first before modprobing nvidia's one
[22:08] <lubosz> rye: where is this declared at init time?
[22:08] <rye> but my bugs start earlier, at plymouth...
[22:08] <rye> [    6.016024] [drm] nouveau 0000:02:00.0: 0xAF1C: parsing output script 0
[22:08] <rye> [    6.161981] BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at (null)
[22:08] <lubosz> rye: i deinstalled plymoth, but it didnt change anything
[22:09] <charlie-tca> How do I make Ubuntu One work with Xubuntu Lucid?
[22:09] <lubosz> rye: it is needed at initialization anyway, even when i purge it, purge its lib and boot without "quiet splash"
[22:09] <rye> lubosz, frankly speaking, I am still investigating what to do, since I did not prepare to spend my evening fixing X...
[22:10] <rye> lubosz, plymouth is not the issue now... at least I believe it is not
[22:12] <infecto> hmm, i remove pulseaudio and still no sound :) some one have a solution? :)
[22:12] <rye> infecto, does alsamixer show any levels?
[22:13] <BUGabundo> o/
[22:13] <infecto> rye: all ok
[22:14] <rye> infecto, does cat /dev/random > /dev/dsp under root gives anything ? (make speakers low before doing that :) )
[22:14] <lubosz> gnome-volume-control does not work for me :/
[22:14] <infecto> rye: nothing :(
[22:14] <infecto> hmm
[22:14] <infecto> Linux lapipa 2.6.32-15-generic #22-Ubuntu SMP Tue Mar 2 02:24:17 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[22:14] <infecto> hmm
[22:15] <infecto> strnage
[22:15] <infecto> i see device properlu
[22:16] <sburwood> I like lucid.  I am using wine on lucid.  I need to use a program that needs Windows.  In the past, I was able to use wine for that.  It refuses
[22:16] <rye> ok, sorry about that, I will try to recover my X first, then will return if I come up with something useful...
[22:17] <sburwood> is there any way to make it work?  Will it accept that in the final version?
[22:19] <lubosz> sburwood: which program?
[22:20] <sburwood> I have a genealogy program called Personal Ancestral File
[22:21] <lubosz> sburwood: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=600
[22:21] <lubosz> for more questions, ask in #winehq
[22:21] <sburwood> thx
[22:40] <infecto> hmm
[22:40] <infecto> remove all pulse audi things and
[22:41] <infecto> cd ~/.kde/share/config/
[22:41] <infecto> mv phonondevicesrc phonondevicesrc.old
[22:41] <infecto> for now when i push test on HDA Intel
[22:41] <infecto> sound works and play test file ok
[22:41] <infecto> but there is no sound in any aplication :(
[22:42] <infecto> even if its first set in properties
[22:44]  * maxb updates, reboots, is shocked by the colour-changes
[22:47] <BUGabundo> maxb: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
[22:52] <maxb> Erm, wtf?  The minimize/maximize/close buttons have gone to the top-left of my windows?
[22:54] <ZykoticK9> maxb, if you want to move them see http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/move-buttons-to-right-side -- but the default theme looks bad if you adjust the order of the buttons
[22:55] <lubosz> this is a killer new feature
[22:55] <charlie-tca> How do I make Ubuntu One work with Xubuntu Lucid?
[22:55]  * charlie-tca thinks it should, it does work in Xubuntu 9.10
[22:55] <ZykoticK9> charlie-tca, i can't even get UO with Ubuntu on Lucid...
[22:56] <BUGabundo> ahah
[22:56] <charlie-tca> Well.... that didn't help at all then
[22:56] <charlie-tca> lol
[22:56] <charlie-tca> maybe it isn't me after all
[22:56] <ArmaganKoca> new theme is AWSOME ! please do not change it :D
[22:56] <lubosz> charlie-tca: did you check ubuntuone-preferences ?
[22:57] <charlie-tca> yup
[22:57] <lubosz> it does not start for me
[22:57] <BUGabundo> ArmaganKoca: I wish it was darker
[22:57] <BUGabundo> I'm going to get my eyes BURNED
[22:57] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: just use dropbox :)
[22:57]  * BUGabundo rant
[22:58] <charlie-tca> Well, thanks. Maybe it isn't Xubuntu causing problems with UO then
[22:58] <rye[fixing-x]> 3D acceleration.  Brave souls can build mesa from source (and may
[22:58] <rye[fixing-x]> well find that they can run compiz), but we will not be shipping the
[22:58] <rye[fixing-x]> 3D component in Lucid.
[22:58] <rye[fixing-x]> :(
[22:58] <poseidon> I was trying to install kubuntu lucid lynx on my 64bit intel centrino 2, however after I selected install or to test without installing, my screen went black. I was using the alpha 3 kubuntu 64bit install. I have an intel P7450
[22:58] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: I really thought I could test UbuntuOne
[22:58] <BUGabundo> ahh
[22:59] <ArmaganKoca> BUGabundo, i can agree with you i little less white and more creamy colour should look nice. But i really like the style and icons they made
[22:59] <BUGabundo> I dislike nautilus CROSS
[22:59] <charlie-tca> poseidon: give it about 20 minutes, it should give you the desktop
[22:59] <rye[fixing-x]> charlie-tca, could we switch to #ubuntuone ?
[22:59] <BUGabundo> what we had before was so nice!
[22:59] <charlie-tca> sure
[23:00] <poseidon> charlie-tca, is this a normal problem?  Is the install still fairly stable?
[23:00]  * maxb cries, and wishes Ubuntu developers would stop redesigning the UI every release
[23:00] <charlie-tca> yes, poseidon
[23:01] <charlie-tca> The desktop cd's are turning off monitors
[23:01] <vistakiller> everyone else have too much cpu use from xorg?
[23:01] <charlie-tca> It seems to be part of plymouth
[23:01] <Volkodav> vistakiller I do sometimes
[23:01] <rye[fixing-x]> no 3d for the owners of nVidia cards that were known to be the only that have proper 3d support.
[23:02] <maxb> ZykoticK9: ok, thanks... any idea how to get the topleft window menus back?
[23:02] <vistakiller> i have with spaces i dont know why but the xorg goes above 20-30 and sometimes to 50+
[23:02] <vistakiller> and the system lags
[23:02] <rye[fixing-x]> Expecting tons of bug reports, blog and forum posts...
[23:02] <ZykoticK9> maxb, "topleft windw menus" not sure what you mean
[23:02] <Beaver> www.search2.net (new search engine)
[23:03] <maxb> ZykoticK9: the thing which was in the top-left until today's updates
[23:03] <poseidon> charlie-tca, Will the monitor get turned off unexpectedly during any other part of the instillation (or is there anything else majorly unusual I should keep in mind)?
[23:03] <tyranos> sry to bring this up here but do we really need a wireless icon that looks like the one from the mac ?
[23:03] <Volkodav> maxb http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/move-buttons-to-right-side
[23:04] <charlie-tca> The only time I have seen it is when it is starting
[23:04] <Volkodav> tyranos: a lot of distros copy mac - I do not know why though
[23:04] <charlie-tca> poseidon: the rest of the install seems to work good for me
[23:04] <poseidon> k, thanks
[23:04] <Volkodav> dreamlinux has the same icon
[23:04] <Volkodav> elive I think too
[23:04] <maxb> Volkodav: That only moves the buttons. It doesn't bring back the menu-clicker thing that was there before
[23:04] <poseidon> I'm go ahead and give it another shot.  Hopefully the monitor turns back on
[23:05] <Volkodav> what menu-clicker ?
[23:06] <maxb> the thing that was in the top-left of the title bar until today
[23:11] <maxb> Ah, and the answer is to be found in reading the long description for that gconf key
[23:13] <Volkodav> maxb - I am in xfce so I dunno
[23:15] <PMantis> Hi guys. I downloaded the ISO, want a newer version. Is there an rsync server I can use instead of downloading the whole thing again?
[23:16] <Ian_Corne> I know there is
[23:16] <jpds> PMantis: rsync rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/path/to/iso.
[23:16] <Ian_Corne> but i don't know where
[23:16] <Ian_Corne> aha :)
[23:16]  * jpds hugs Ian_Corne.
[23:17] <PMantis> :-)
[23:17] <PMantis> That's simple. thanks!
[23:17] <Ian_Corne> oh and PMantis
[23:17] <Ian_Corne> the installer asks you if you want to update it
[23:17] <Ian_Corne> before the actuall install
[23:18] <PMantis> Oh, yeah... my VM didn't have inet access, so i couldn't do it.
[23:19] <Ian_Corne> I don't know how the update works tho, rsync might be better bandwith wise
[23:19] <PMantis> Yeah, I imagine it just runs apt-get update, and grabs over the new whatever is newer.
[23:19] <PMantis> s/new/net/
[23:23] <Ian_Corne> anyone upraded recently?
[23:23] <Ian_Corne> how many mb's are required to go from karmic to +1?
[23:26] <lubosz> Ian_Corne: ask your upgrader. its different for everyone
[23:31] <Ian_Corne> Yeah but maybe you had an idea :p
[23:31] <Ian_Corne> I'm in belgium, with data limits :(
[23:32] <lubosz> it was 2gb for me
[23:33] <lubosz> but i have a lot of stuff
[23:33] <Ian_Corne> ok, thank
[23:33] <Ian_Corne> yeah me too
[23:33] <rye[fixing-x]> notice: if you are running nVidia hardware, do not update the kernel version - you might end up with non-working X configuration and it will take some time to make it work again
[23:33] <Ian_Corne> gah
[23:34] <charlie-tca> yup
[23:34] <sebsebseb> Hi
[23:34] <lubosz> i have local packages (not in the repository) installed i cannot remove: xserver-xorg Depends xserver-xorg-input-evdev
[23:34] <lubosz> what is xserver-xorg-input-evdev?
[23:36] <lubosz> can anyone help me with this aptitude problem? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/187202/
[23:38] <Volkodav> rye[fixing-x] what kernel version are you talking about ?
[23:38] <lubosz> 2.6.32-16-generic
[23:38] <Volkodav> I am at the latest 2.6.32-16-generic and my nvidia works fine
[23:39] <Volkodav> recently rebooted too
[23:39] <rye[fixing-x]> Volkodav, with nvidia-current drivers?
[23:39] <rye[fixing-x]> Volkodav, or with nouveau ?
[23:39] <lubosz> i'm on 2.6.32-16-generic and nvidia does not work :) but it did once on 2.6.32-16-generic
[23:39] <Volkodav> nvidia-current
[23:39] <Volkodav> all good
[23:39] <charlie-tca> luckyyy
[23:40] <charlie-tca> mine kernel panics every other boot
[23:40] <tyranos> gdm seems to get confused on with ati card sometimes i need to ctrl-alt-7 to get to the correct VT and login
[23:40] <lubosz> Volkodav: did you remove plymouth?
[23:40] <rye[fixing-x]> Volkodav, ok, then that notice is not affecting all users...
[23:40] <[31d1]> oh man the secret udev knowledge was in kubuntu wiki and not in ubuntu wiki
[23:40] <Volkodav> no touch plymouth
[23:41] <rye[fixing-x]> does anybody see 'Failed to open /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf' during the boot ?
[23:41] <Volkodav> nvidia version 195,36,08
[23:41] <[31d1]> got my scrolling back
[23:41] <ppine> In nautilus in the adres bar location, before u could click and there would appear a line based for input and u could complete the location to desire. now i does not remember and when u start to type it starts in root. can this be changed?
[23:41] <lubosz> rye[fixing-x]: cat: /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf: No such file or directory
[23:42] <lubosz> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/187160/ i cannot load the kernel module :/
[23:42] <rye[fixing-x]> lubosz, no, that is for the boot procedure only, the blacklist rules do not get applied in my case
[23:42] <Volkodav> mine shows blacklists
[23:47] <aouldr78> hi everyone
[23:49] <PMantis> Ian_Corne, jpds: I found a doc showing a url supporting rsync. Also found zsync, looks pretty good, too!
[23:51] <rye[fixing-x]> Volkodav, do you have /usr on a separate partition?
[23:51] <Volkodav> no
[23:52] <rye[fixing-x]> Volkodav, right. Anybody having nvidia issue where nouveau overtakes the control of the hardware has the /usr partition on a separate drive?
[23:52] <lubosz> Volkodav: which gpu do you have?
[23:52] <lubosz> rye[fixing-x]: i have /home on a sperate drive
[23:52] <Volkodav> GeForce 8400 GS
[23:53] <Volkodav>  VBIOS Version: 60.86.4a.00.21
[23:53] <Volkodav> 512 RAm
[23:53] <Volkodav> PCI Express x16
[23:53] <rye[fixing-x]> lubosz, no, /home is not relevant for now, I am just generating possible reasons so that I can attack problem from different paths
[23:54] <ppine> found it : "/apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_location_entry/
[23:58] <poseidon> charlie-tca, I ended up waiting over 30 minutes for something to show up.  The monitor turned back on after about five minutes, but it stayed black for another 25 minutes
[23:59] <charlie-tca> But after the install it is really fast
[23:59] <charlie-tca> It beats karmic by about half for me


[05:40] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[05:43] <seb128> hey oSoMoN, how are you?
[06:02] <oSoMoN> hey seb128, good and you?
[06:59] <didrocks> good morning
[07:20] <seb128> oSoMoN, I'm good thanks
[08:02] <Laney> hey hey HEY!
[08:07] <ricotz> ochosi, hi :), make sure to enable debug-symbols build/publishing of a ppa where you build libreoffice
[08:07] <ricotz> oSoMoN, ^
[08:07] <ricotz> ochosi, sorry
[08:09] <seb128> hey Laney,how are you?
[08:10] <oSoMoN> ricotz, ack
[08:11] <oSoMoN> hey hey HEY Laney
[08:13] <willcooke> morning all
[08:13] <seb128> I'm stepping out for a an hour or so (probably less)
[08:13] <seb128> hey willcooke
[08:14] <oSoMoN> good morning willcooke
[08:15] <seb128> willcooke, how is london and the snappy discussions?
[08:15] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:15] <Laney> good thanks, tired for some reason though
[08:15] <Laney> you?
[08:15] <seb128> good
[08:15] <willcooke> seb128, we're making progress!
[08:15] <Laney> hey oSoMoN
[08:15] <seb128> though was up from 5 to 8
[08:15] <seb128> at least I worked some hours already
[08:15] <seb128> need to go for an appointement now, back in a bit
[08:15] <oSoMoN> wow, that's an early start
[08:42] <jamesh> seb128: I noticed your post about accessing themes from snapped applications.  If we only care about working on classic Ubuntu and only care about themes installed on the base system, I don't think this would be too difficult to implement
[08:46] <didrocks> jamesh: doesn't work, nothing will ensure you have a gtk theme corresponding to the app / platform snap you get
[08:47] <jamesh> didrocks: but the user's selected theme will be on the base system, no?
[08:47] <didrocks> well
[08:47] <didrocks> it means you need to have it for gtk 3.xx, 3.x+1, 3.x+2…
[08:47] <jamesh> yep.
[08:48] <jamesh> the base system would need to provide versions of the theme compatible with what's used by the confined app
[08:48] <didrocks> but that prevents people to deliver/port their themes
[08:48] <didrocks> as they will need to provide any version available to any gtk version some apps may be shipped as a snap
[08:49] <didrocks> nothing will enforce/ensure that, and it could then be a lottery, removing the "snap would work anywhere"
[08:49] <didrocks> also, other distros won't be supported
[08:49] <jamesh> didrocks: that's going to be the case anyway though, right?
[08:49] <didrocks> not really, if you have selected slots/plugs for this, that makes it predictable and portable accross distros
[08:52] <jamesh> didrocks: if the user's selected theme doesn't provide a version compatible with the app's GTK, would this look any worse than what currently happens?
[08:54] <didrocks> jamesh: what currently happens is that people embeed some themes in the snap. It's working for 90%+ of use case (if not more)
[08:54] <didrocks> the suggested solution is a step over that
[08:54] <didrocks> but at least, developers/users will only be able to select themes that are coming from snap themes
[08:54] <didrocks> so, giving us way more control
[08:54] <didrocks> accross distro
[08:55] <didrocks> which is the goal, right? To have desktop snaps everywhere and not restricted to ubuntu
[08:55] <didrocks> (or the new goal is only to have desktop classic snaps, so working on ubuntu, no portal/confinement?)
[08:55] <jamesh> didrocks: presumably they can still do that though, right?
[08:55] <didrocks> jamesh: only if we provide that feature, correct
[08:55] <Laney> interesting
[08:56] <jamesh> if XDG_DATA_DIRS causes them to find themes inside the snap and the base system's themes, they've got the same fallback.
[08:56] <didrocks> which is why there is this thread, to layout what's needed
[08:56] <Laney> with the proposal, will the system's themes be hidden from the snap?
[08:56] <didrocks> jamesh: no, classic is ubuntu only
[08:56] <Laney> or is it an overlay?
[08:56] <didrocks> Laney: that's a good question, right now (with the current arch) it would be hidden
[08:56] <jamesh> didrocks: really?  I thought classic was any system where the root file system wasn't managed by snapd.
[08:56] <didrocks> but we can extend it
[08:57] <didrocks> jamesh: from what I know, classic is ubuntu classic only
[08:57] <didrocks> I may be wrong though
[08:57] <didrocks> but I don't think we should offer a different experience for classic snaps than the confined ones
[08:57] <jamesh> didrocks: I think "classic mode" in snapd is distinct from "Ubuntu Classic"
[08:57] <didrocks> jamesh: I know it's different, but I'm pretty sure it's only running on ubuntu classic though
[08:58] <didrocks> (was disabled in fedora at least in the past for instance)
[08:58] <jamesh> didrocks: I'm not sure how graphical snaps would even work on Arch, Fedora, etc if they weren't running in classic mode.
[08:59] <didrocks> jamesh: why are we developping portals thus?
[08:59] <jamesh> that would require a snapped X server for instance
[08:59] <didrocks> as this won't work in classic?
[08:59] <jamesh> there's too many things called "classic"
[08:59] <jamesh> snapd's "classic confinement" is also different
[08:59] <didrocks> snap in classic mode
[08:59] <didrocks> which is what you are talking about, correct?
[09:00] <jamesh> didrocks: "classic confinement" == no AppArmor confinement, and direct access to the host's root file system
[09:00] <didrocks> yeah
[09:00] <didrocks> which is what we mean by "classic snaps"
[09:01] <jamesh> didrocks: "classic mode" == host system's root file system isn't the core snap, and a bunch of extra slots are automatically added to core
[09:01] <jamesh> such as "x11", "unity7", "network-manager", etc
[09:01] <didrocks> thanks, I know that for at least a year or so :p
[09:01] <didrocks> remember I worked on snapd? :p
[09:02] <jamesh> a strict confined snap may still be relying on features that are generally only available in classic mode
[09:02] <jamesh> so I'm wondering if access to system themes could be the same.
[09:03] <didrocks> that could be, but it means that distros will have to ship all themes again for all possible gtk version
[09:03] <didrocks> which they won't, as flatpak is going another way
[09:03] <didrocks> so, it will be mostly broken on non ubuntu distro
[09:04] <didrocks> (also, it means everytime a new gtk version is out, we need to upload any existings themes, even the 3rd parties, to include that gtk version)
[09:04] <didrocks> and all ditros will have to do that, as a SRU
[09:04] <didrocks> doesn't sound really scalable
[09:06] <jamesh> okay, so if we step back a bit, would "single snap providing all themes people care about, ever" be acceptable?
[09:07] <jamesh> that's not perfect either, but it gets around the SRU issue
[09:08] <jamesh> once you go to "multiple theme snaps talking to multiple app snaps", we're outside of what snapd's interfaces can currently handle
[09:08] <didrocks> jamesh: it's not single snap
[09:08] <didrocks> jamesh: it's one snap per theme
[09:09] <didrocks> yeah
[09:09] <zyga> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3542
[09:09] <didrocks> but the idea is to have snapd support our use-case
[09:09] <jamesh> didrocks: and that's not going to work with the current plug/slot model
[09:09] <didrocks> jamesh: I know, the goal is to fix the software to work with it
[09:09] <didrocks> that's why we spent time on a gdoc and examples to illustrates that
[09:10] <didrocks> we are not going to be able to have one snap exposing any themes that could be community-contributed ever
[09:10] <didrocks> I guess there are good reasons it's not the approach (using system or one big snap) that flatpak went with either
[09:12] <willcooke> robert_ancell, see zyga's comment ^
[09:24] <andyrock> mooorning
[09:53] <seb128> jamesh, I don't know if we care only about classic
[09:54] <seb128> ideally you can build a device with a gtk frontend and a theme installed from a snap
[09:54] <seb128> I though we were designing things to work in an snap-only stack context in any case
[09:55] <seb128> but I see you already had a good discussion on the channel and Didier already made that point
[10:05] <didrocks> jamesh: also, you probably know it, but /usr/share/themes isn't suffcieitn
[10:05] <didrocks> sufficient*
[10:05] <didrocks> there are gtk engines like gtk2, used by Qt, which are in /usr/lib/<triplet>
[10:06] <didrocks> (and so, we need those dynamic name support)
[10:12] <popey> robert_ancell: heya, remember I set a cron job to open gnome software, having updated to the one you recommended. Still getting the issue http://imgur.com/a/K6chl
[10:12] <popey> robert_ancell: you mentioned there might be a log somewhere I can look at?
[10:13] <robert_ancell> popey, you can run gnome-software with --verbose
[10:14] <popey> robert_ancell: oh, so I am not in a position to provide info now, but need to run with --verbose for some days until it happens again?
[10:14] <robert_ancell> popey, yeah, that would give us something to see. I hope it doesn't cause it to not occur...
[10:14] <popey> ok
[10:16] <popey> thanks
[11:06] <ricotz> willcooke, hi, I guess I dare to ask one more time about admin-rights for https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice
[11:49] <seb128> ricotz, hey, what do you need the admin rights for there? I don't know if Will ever got back to you on the topic but we discussed it but Bjoern was the only one familiar with that ppa and your libreoffice work so we don't feel like we know enough about the topic to understand the consequences of the change or why you need admin rights
[11:49] <seb128> ricotz, it might help if you could email will/osomon/me with the rational or the changes you want to work on/do
[11:54] <ricotz> seb128, I explained it to Will some weeks ago with the promise to follow up on it, although nothing happened
[12:00] <seb128> ricotz, I can't speak for him, but he's busy and as said we discussed it and we feel like we lack knowledge, maybe you can email us 3 as suggested?
[12:07] <ricotz> seb128, alright, I won't pursue this further
[12:07] <seb128> as you wish
[12:07] <seb128> but as said I'm not speaking for Will, maybe he's going to get back to you about what you asked
[12:08] <seb128> I just know that I personally don't know enough libreoffice and that ppa to add an admin without understand why
[12:08] <seb128> understanding
[13:45] <seb128> cyphermox_, hey, still not around?
[13:46] <seb128> I should check hr, he might be off this week?
[13:47] <seb128> oh yeah, he's off until july 10th
[13:47] <seb128> great
[14:16] <seb128> jibel, did you figure out the livecd input issue? is that what is blocking the iso promotion to current?
[15:01] <GunnarHj> seb128: Thanks for spotting that i-d MP! So there has been a solution for months, and then there is that jenkins guy who blocks it. :( Who can move it forward?
[15:16] <seb128> GunnarHj, yw! what jenkins guy?
[15:17] <GunnarHj> seb128: jenkins.canonical.com. (Suppose it's some kind of bot...)
[15:20] <seb128> GunnarHj, what the bot is saying is that the change are making some tests fail, see https://jenkins.canonical.com/unity-api-1/job/build-2-binpkg/arch=amd64,release=xenial+overlay/1580/console
[15:20] <seb128> and what blocked it is mostly that the people who were working on it got fired and the project they worked on discontinued
[15:20] <seb128> so somebody needs to pick it up and make it working
[15:22] <GunnarHj> seb128: And Unity is being dropped anyway... Sounds as a "won't fix" to me. :(
[15:23] <GunnarHj> seb128: Especially since it's fine in the latest LTS.
[15:25] <seb128> GunnarHj, unity is not being dropped yet, it's moving in universe for now, and indicators are used in other desktops
[15:25] <seb128> shouldn't be too difficult to fix
[15:25] <seb128> also zesty is currently supported and ships with unity
[15:25] <seb128> though I'm unsure we are going to see a langpack update in zesty
[15:25] <seb128> so fixing it there might be useless
[15:27] <GunnarHj> seb128: Yeah... Charles Kerr stated on the MP that the bot failure is "false alarm".
[15:28] <GunnarHj> seb128: Which desktops besides Unity use the indicators?
[15:29] <seb128> GunnarHj, xubuntu has support for them, mate uses some
[15:30] <GunnarHj> seb128: I see. Thanks.
[15:30] <seb128> yw
[17:28] <Laney> ok, night!
[17:48] <oSoMoN> good night all!


[00:03] <joumetal> bug 319210 has fix available in ppa. nice.
[00:15] <joumetal> tormod: New xserver-xorg-core from your ppa works well with i815.
[00:16] <tormod> joumetal: good. will you report upstream?
[00:16] <tormod> joumetal: that is the ubuntu4~tormod version?
[00:20] <joumetal> yes that is ubuntu4~tormod.
[00:26] <tormod> joumetal: i815, which driver is that?
[00:31] <tormod> oh confusing, I did not have the -intel package installed for some reason
[00:33] <tormod> but I thought the "intel" driver would be used for i815 cards, and "intel" has xrandr 1.2... do you use the "i810" driver?
[00:34] <joumetal> no I am using intel-driver. Commenting upstream bug took a while.
[00:37] <tormod> joumetal: thanks
[07:55] <LLStarks> yo.
[18:24] <Alexia_Death> hmm
[18:33] <klasikahl> hey there... does nayone know where i can find xf86Version.h
[18:34] <klasikahl> i have found many wacom related posts lamenting its absence, but none seem to offer a solution
[18:34] <klasikahl> it's not in any of the many dev packages i have installed in search of it
[18:37] <tjaalton> klasikahl: it's gone
[18:37] <klasikahl> yeah that's what i had feared... so any advice on how to compile somethign that explicitly requires it?
[18:37] <klasikahl> like the newest wacom driver?
[18:37] <tjaalton> just don't include it
[18:37] <tjaalton> remove the includes
[18:38] <klasikahl> okay
[18:39] <tjaalton> or just look at what the package in jaunty does
[18:40] <klasikahl> well the jaunty package is an older version.. i found someone seems to have the new version in their ppa
[18:40] <klasikahl> oh look that person is you! ;)
[18:40] <tjaalton> the new version doesn't work for me, that's why it hasn't been updated
[18:41] <klasikahl> ah.
[18:41] <klasikahl> tjaalton: what are you testing it with? what kind of laptop/tablet?
[18:41] <tjaalton> an OEM tablet
[18:42] <klasikahl> okay
[18:42] <klasikahl> i have a tosh m700
[18:43] <tjaalton> the cursor doesn't move, and all I get is a lot of log noise because of a change made after <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:46] <klasikahl> i will let you know how it goes, restarting X in a second here
[18:47] <tjaalton> not all models have that problem, but mine did
[18:48] <tjaalton> bryce: looks like the intel vblank issue is fixed at last. I'll test the oneliner now
[18:51] <tjaalton> afk->
[18:59] <klasikahl> tjaalton: holy hell it wokrs.
[18:59] <klasikahl> calibration is a bit off... how do i calibrate this thing?
[19:05] <klasikahl> `wacomcpl`
[19:05] <klasikahl> got it
[19:05] <klasikahl> thanks!!!
[19:05] <klasikahl> tjaalton: you're the man....
[21:02] <tjaalton> klasikahl: ok, good to hear


[03:07] <xid> I'm not sure if this is a distro-specific issue, but how can I revert application-specific window settings that I applied through terminal?
[03:08] <xid> i'll google it just in case it's super easy to figure out
[03:08] <xid> these seems more generally kde related, although it's my first time trying it
[03:11] <xid> hilariously, i just made my system completely unusable by using too broad a match, although 'popcorn' seems like too specific a substring to have affected all applications
[03:16] <xid> i did $ ls -latrR ~ to try to figure out which file i might need to delete to get my system back
[03:16] <xid> lol
[04:02] <xid> i wound up fixing it by deleting .config/kwinsrc or something like that
[05:29] <Clonestyle> Anyone here know how to fix the problem with vsync getting disabled a few seconds after login?
[05:48] <Voyage> my desktop isnt just loading. I see no taskbar and no wallpaper. xhcat just popup up so I am able to chat here. Tried rebooting too. same
[05:50] <hateball> Voyage: can you manually start plasmashell ?
[05:56] <Voyage> hateball,  how can I do that?
[05:57] <Voyage> hateball,  theres not start kde menu. How to get to terminal or app menu?
[06:00] <Voyage> hateball,  now what?
[06:00] <Voyage> hateball,  I can go to tty1
[06:01] <hateball> Voyage: I think you can start from a tty (ctrl+alt+f1) with "eval `dbus-launch` && kdeinit5 && plasma-shell"
[06:01] <hateball> but I dont have a plasma5 machine handy to test right now
[06:01] <Voyage> k
[06:09] <Clonestyle> Anyone know how to fix the problem with vsync being disabled when restarted?
[06:10] <soee> good morning
[06:11] <valorie> Voyage: try without the dash between plasma-shell too -- as I recall it is just `plasmashell`
[06:11] <valorie> hasn't crashed for months, so hateball might be right rather than me
[06:11] <hateball> no it is probably without dash
[06:12] <hateball> on 4 it's plasma-desktop but on 5 it is probably plasmashell
[06:18] <Voyage> whats the shortcut to open a terminal?
[06:19] <Voyage> in gui
[06:27] <Clonestyle> Anyone know how to fix the problem with vsync getting disabled a few seconds after login? currently it only gets reenabled when i switch the compositing type
[06:27] <Clonestyle> it should be at 60 fps but a few seconds after it just jumps right back up to 100 fps :/
[06:37] <Clonestyle> This is so weird, I can't seem to get vsync to stay enabled when i restart
[07:53] <Robocop> Does anyone here know how to stop vsync from getting disabled when I restart?
[08:48] <Clonestyle> Anyone here know how to keep vsync from getting reset on a system restart?
[09:02] <Grokling> Voyage [alt]+[space], konsole
[09:17] <neutrinomass> Is there any way of taking a screenshot of a window not in focus ?
[09:20] <hateball> neutrinomass: any reason you cant just focus the window?
[09:20] <hateball> I looked and doesnt seem like scrot nor ksnapshot can snapshot an inactive window
[09:22] <neutrinomass> hateball: Indeed, ksnapshot does not seem to be able to do it. To be honest I'm not sure it's even possible in KDE, hence my plea for help. I'm trying to do some screen scraping of a website and I need to take a screenshot of it every second or so, and I'd prefer to be able to use my computer while this thing is running.
[09:23] <hateball> neutrinomass: then I'd use scrot
[09:23] <hateball> and do something like while true; scrot -d 1
[09:24] <hateball> !info scrot
[09:25] <neutrinomass> hateball: Thanks, I installed  -- is there any particular reason to prefer this over ksnapshot ?
[09:26] <neutrinomass> I guess one way this could work would be to log in as a second user and just write to /tmp
[09:27] <hateball> neutrinomass: because you can automate with a while loop like I said
[09:27] <neutrinomass> i.e. keep firefox open in my second session and have scrot write the screenshots to /tmp/screenshot.tiff or something
[09:27] <neutrinomass> hateball: Ah ok, thanks
[09:27] <hateball> neutrinomass: check "scrot --help"
[09:27] <hateball> by default it dumps in your current directory, with a timestamp
[09:28] <hateball> so you just loop the desired command/delay as needed
[09:28] <hateball> neutrinomass: I recall there being firefox extensions to do this sort of thing as well
[09:28] <neutrinomass> hateball: thanks, I think this could actually work
[09:29] <neutrinomass> hateball: This is Flash over SSL --- there are things like firebug for firefox that enable web scraping (i.e. if you have html or javascript source) but nothing that can scrape flash, to the best of my knowledge.
[09:30] <hateball> neutrinomass: aha
[09:31] <neutrinomass> So to scrape Flash most people just intercept network traffic. In this case the website has guarded against this by only delivering over https, so that won't work and image processing is the only other thing I can think of.
[10:59] <AceKing> I upgraded to 15.04 when it came out... Had all my updates installed before I upgraded. The other day, I started up my laptop, and after 2 minutes of being on, it freezes up. I tried booting into recovery mode, and installing updates, but that didn't seem to help. Any idea what could have caused this, or how to fix it?
[11:04] <Grokling> AceKing: Welcome to the bleeding edge..
[11:04] <gunndawg> lol Kubuntu is not "bleeding edge"
[11:05] <Grokling> 15.04 is very bloody.
[11:05] <Grokling> Not everywhere, mind.
[11:06] <gunndawg> buggy? sure, bloody? no
[11:07] <Grokling> baloo breaks regularly. Dolphin locks up, and I had a full crash this afternoon. I started with no mouse cursor(work around by using xrender), and I still have no tooltips in libreoffice. Not bad going for three days huh!
[11:07] <Grokling> BUT.. it is the only distro I've used that was able, out of the box, to bring up all four of my screens.
[11:07] <gunndawg> I stopped using Kubuntu a few months back and went to Arch with KDE installed on top. Never looked back
[11:09] <Grokling> I played with ubuntu-gnome for a couple of hours - seems robust and workflow friendly.. but I just couldn't get it to run my screens..
[11:09] <Grokling> AceKing: was that an upgrade, or a new install?
[11:10] <AceKing> Grokling: Upgrade
[11:17] <kamil7> hi guys
[11:17] <kamil7> any eta for dolhpin 15.04.0-3 to land?
[11:18] <kamil7> bug with disappearing places items is annoying (found that was fixed in 15.04.0-3 but i still have 15.04.0-0)
[11:33] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:05] <aris> hi room i m new to linux 2 questions vim doesnt seem to work in kubuntu 15.4 and second  KF 5.10.0 will be releasead officially in kubuntu ppa s automatically or should i try to search for them
[12:43] <excalibr> People, how do you go about making your own region formats?
[12:43] <BluesKaj> aris, you can add the backports ppa to your sources.list here: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports
[12:44] <BluesKaj> for plasma 5.3
[13:04] <excalibr> I figured what I'd need is called locale
[13:30] <amari> Hey, in Kubuntu 15.04, dolphin is not preserving location shortcuts in the sidebar, after closing the application. Is this a known bug being worked on?
[13:34] <amari> anyone?
[13:34] <BluesKaj> sidebar?
[13:35] <BluesKaj> oh places. yes that's aknown bug , amari
[13:35] <alvin> amari: I believe that's a known bug. I'd like the reverse. If I say 'hide location', I want it to stay hidden.
[13:36] <BluesKaj> the locations stay hidden here, dolphin is still on plasma4 so the fix is an integration with plasma 5 problem
[13:37] <amari> many rough edges with kubuntu 15.04 don't you think BluesKaj ?
[13:39] <BluesKaj> amari, yes , still lots of work to be done...plasma 5 was released much too soon IMO
[13:39] <amari> the UEFI problem, some theme inconsistencies...
[13:40] <amari> for kubuntu users, it's best to stay with the LTS for now, I think, in general...
[13:42] <BluesKaj> 14.10 is solid,  IME more so the 14.04 LTS even
[13:42] <BluesKaj> the=than
[13:42] <amari> BluesKaj: The problem is the support ends in July 2015...
[13:43] <BluesKaj> for 12.04 yes
[13:43] <BluesKaj> !LTS
[13:44] <amari> I mean, for 14.40 (Utopic Unicorn), it only has 9 months support...
[13:47] <amari> *14.10
[13:47] <BluesKaj> 14.10 Utopic is not LTS
[13:47] <amari> that's my point...
[13:48] <BluesKaj> but it is solid
[13:48] <BluesKaj> IMO 14.04 is buggy compared to 14.10 ..LTS or not
[15:50] <excalibr> Is there workaround for shadow not appearing under menu's in firefox on 15.04?
[16:07] <Martin7738> Hi, I use Kubuntu 15.04. I'd like to watch a video on it. No problem for videos of 500 MB. But for videos that weights over than 1GB, I can't watch them with Dragon player or VLC, it freezes after few seconds. Is there anything to be done to solve this problem ?
[16:08] <alvin> True. Because KDE is more recent on 14.10. Unfortunately, LTS does not mean "stable". I have yet to see a Linux distro solving that problem adequately. (I prefer FreeBSD on servers for that reason. Rock stable base, and up-to-date ports)
[16:11] <Martin7738> Ok, that surprised me because I've never had any problem on the same computer with ubuntu or linux mint. Thanks anyway :)
[16:11] <alvin> Martin7738: That wasn't an answer to your question :-) I can watch large videos just fine on both Dragon and VLC
[16:12] <alvin> You'll have to watch your system. Is the load normal when watching?
[16:12] <Martin7738> Ah okay, I misunderstood.
[16:12] <Martin7738> For some small videos it is, but for larger it freezes and blocks.
[16:13] <Martin7738> After retesting, it blocks on dragon while it continues begin loaded on vlc, but with many cuts and freezes.
[16:24] <alvin> what's your load during play?
[18:12] <Ninjahmahs> hey hey, any idea how i can open directories in my dolphin as root? trying to paste rootactions-servicemenu.pl into /usr/bin but i dont have the permission to do so
[18:12] <Ninjahmahs> and of course when i try to use the menu from right click in the directory to open as root, it says cannot find the file im trying to place into the directory :/
[18:14] <drw> `kdesudo dolphin` is the only way I know
[18:14] <Ninjahmahs> right
[18:15] <Ninjahmahs> and that just opens dolphin itself with root
[18:15] <Ninjahmahs> thanks
[18:17] <BluesKaj> open ?usr/bin as root
[18:17] <BluesKaj> err /usr/bin
[18:18] <Ninjahmahs> yes
[18:18] <Ninjahmahs> i have put that file i needed into the directory now using the kdesudo dolphin command and that let me do what i need to
[18:19] <Ninjahmahs> surprised there wasnt a basic open terminal here option in dolphin browser as default though :/
[18:23] <BluesKaj> there is, under tools
[18:24] <BluesKaj> Ninjahmahs,^
[18:24] <Ninjahmahs> ??
[18:24] <Ninjahmahs> lol
[18:24] <Ninjahmahs> i missed that
[18:24] <BluesKaj> very handy
[18:25] <Ninjahmahs> wow
[18:26] <Ninjahmahs> went through all that to get open in terminal only to find its in  the actual menu not the right click :/
[18:26] <Ninjahmahs> lol
[18:28] <Ninjahmahs> is there a simple way to add the standard open in terminal option to the context menu of right click
[18:28] <Ninjahmahs> looking in settings for a way to customise that in but cant see anything
[18:29] <acz32> Ninjahmahs: in dolphin? it should be in the context menu under actions
[18:30] <Ninjahmahs> not for me just two options send as email or create file project with k3b
[18:30] <Ninjahmahs> or i wouldnt of been trying to get it there in the first place lol
[18:31] <acz32> i meant if you open the context menu without having selected a file
[18:31] <Ninjahmahs> i mean i f i right click the open in terminal option from the main tools menu in dolphin i can assign the open in terminal action as a tool in the main feature ribbon, but not in the contextual click
[18:31] <Ninjahmahs> lol
[18:32] <Ninjahmahs> yeh which is what im doing
[18:32] <acz32> you right click in empty space and only see two options?
[18:32] <Ninjahmahs> yep
[18:33] <Ninjahmahs> this is on kubuntu 15.04
[18:33] <Ninjahmahs> fresh install
[18:33] <legodude> hey, upon upgrade to KDE 5/kubuntu 15.04, all of my dashboard applets disappeared, is there a way to restore them or at least recover the contents of the notes
[18:34] <acz32> i don't use kubuntu but this is my dolphin context menu https://imgrush.com/W6FIJKc8BzgM
[18:35] <Ninjahmahs> a lot of dashboard stuff seems to be incompatible on the latest version, also when i try to pin certain things into the favourites section of the launcher it hangs plasma panel completely
[18:35] <Ninjahmahs> it seems pretty different in my version
[18:37] <Ninjahmahs> interesting
[18:39] <acz32> hmm. not sure. i am using KDE 4.X
[18:39] <Ninjahmahs> i basically just did a right click and went to open with, chose konsole (terminal) and then when it asked me just set remember this selection for this file type (even though im right clicking in the empty space) and now i have an open with konsole saved in the open with menu
[18:39] <Ninjahmahs> so long winded XD
[19:15] <MchaelP> for uefi do i install the sameway as bois ?
[19:21] <OerHeks> !uefi
[19:26] <MchaelP> Any difference in running in bios or uefi mode ?
[19:27] <drw> I haven't really noticed, on my laptop at least
[19:28] <drw> I'm running UEFI w/Secure Boot on
[19:28] <MchaelP> only difference uefi suppose to be more secure right
[19:32] <BluesKaj> legacy with secure boot off
[19:32] <BluesKaj> MS imposition on pc makers in 2010
[19:33] <BluesKaj> UEFI
[19:34] <MchaelP> so no differece in the way linux runs in bios or uefi
[19:34] <BluesKaj> with regular dos partition table the partitions are restricted to 2TB..big deal
[19:36] <MchaelP> my drive only 600 gig
[19:37] <MchaelP> what partition table for uefi
[19:37] <BluesKaj> i haven't heard any reports about comparisons between bios and uefi running linux
[19:38] <BluesKaj> gpt
[19:38] <MchaelP> boot is what about 200 mb
[21:55] <JunkHunk> hello some of my files got duplicated or triplicated with an enigmatic ~ symbol or ~~ twice that symbol could anybody cast some light on it?
[22:31] <ussher_> kubuntu -> system settings -> display configuration is only showing the monitors from one of my graphics cards, any tips on how to get the monitors on the other card to show?