[07:59] <diplo> Morning all
[08:55] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:37] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy Day Of Reconciliation! 😃
[09:43] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
[10:21] <foobarry> oh no
[10:21] <foobarry> new star wars is 12A. already got excited and told  5yr old son he is coming to cinema with me.
[10:22] <foobarry> he's only ever watched octonauts and shaun the sheep on telly with a bit of button moon
[10:22] <foobarry> wifey now annoyed "you promised him, you have to take him"
[10:23] <foobarry> i expected a U rating as per many previous SW films
[10:36] <diplo> I just cover their eyes at inappropriate times foobarry if I can :D
[10:38] <foobarry> hoping some people in here will watch it with their kids and report back...
[10:39] <SuperMatt> well 12a means that anyone below 12 can be accompanied by an adult. I guess the general gist is that it's probably ok, but you need to decide if your kid is up to it
[10:40] <SuperMatt> chances are there won't be any swearing, and it's only so high because of the fighting
[10:40] <foobarry> i'd like to see how others fare
[10:42] <SuperMatt> I want to see it, but I don't think I'll have time this side of Christmas
[10:42] <foobarry> it'll still be there :)
[10:46] <SuperMatt> I know
[10:47] <SuperMatt> just reading through the guardian review and it doesn't seem like it's going to be too heavy
[10:50] <Myrtti> it's 12 unaccompanied, 9 with adult in Finland
[10:52] <foobarry> its hard to know what a 5 or 6 yr old finds scary
[10:53] <foobarry> it will be an intense experience for him
[10:57] <popey> foobarry, IMDB is usually a good reference - may be spoilers http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2488496/parentalguide?ref_=tt_ql_7
[10:57] <popey> Your son is 5!?
[10:57] <popey> Sam is 9 and says he's not sure about going because it will be scary
[10:59] <foobarry> i think i got excited because i saw empire strikes back when i was 5
[10:59] <foobarry> at the cinema
[10:59] <foobarry> and ROTJ a few yrs later
[11:02] <SuperMatt> well a lot of the talk is about how the enw one is more in line with the original three
[11:03] <foobarry> i'd like to back out now but my wife sys i have committed to it now
[11:03] <SuperMatt> never make promises to a child!
[11:04] <foobarry> i didn't but my wife says i did
[11:04] <foobarry> :(
[11:06] <SuperMatt> d'oh!
[11:07] <SuperMatt> in which case, I think they're ganging up against you
[11:07] <SuperMatt> you can never win
[11:07] <foobarry> thats for sure
[11:37] <diplo> foobarry: I quite often take my kids to see 12/15's ( 7 and 9 ) more so the older one, but I do investigate each film first
[11:38] <diplo> But not so sure about a 5 year old, I can't see a problem though
[11:38] <foobarry> he's six in jan :S
[11:38] <foobarry> but a lot of dev goes on at tht stage
[11:41] <diplo> yeah, my sons watch most of the Marvel and some DC films which are 12
[11:42] <diplo> Started on Watchmen with the older one when I remembered how bad it was, he keeps pestering me to watch more but I think it's a little toooooo much for him yet
[12:10] <selinuxium> 'lo
[12:16] <selinuxium> Anyone here played with Docker or Juju or both?
[12:18] <diplo> Nope :/ keep meaning too
[12:18] <selinuxium> Me too..
[12:18] <diplo> Maybe #ubuntu-server would get more help though :)
[12:18] <selinuxium> Have a freshly wiped laptop to just do some playgorund stuff..
[12:18] <selinuxium> True... :)
[12:20] <diplo> I really must find some time, no free hardware available though, keep pestering work for some :)
[12:32] <MooDoo_> morning all
[12:33] <zmoylan-pi> the rarely seen but often talked about changing of the MooDoo's... :-)
[12:33] <selinuxium> :)
[12:34] <foobarry> once i was in monaco
[12:34] <foobarry> doing the tourist thing
[12:34] <foobarry> saw a massive crowd
[12:34] <foobarry> thought something was gonna happen
[12:35] <foobarry> july heat. almost fainting from the sunshine..waiting ages. can't leave now i've invested so much time into waiting. what will happen? crown a new king?
[12:35] <zmoylan-pi> ice cream van queue? :-)
[12:35] <foobarry> suddenlysomeone comes out of the palace
[12:36] <foobarry> switches shift with his mate
[12:36] <foobarry> crowd disperses. they were waiting to see that?
[12:36] <zmoylan-pi> military does love it's pomp and ceremony...
[12:37] <zmoylan-pi> i.t. should start similar tradition, changing of the ink cartridge, every day about noonish depending on how much of the web some eejit has printed out today :-)
[12:43] <foobarry> can i lvresize / while it's mounted? i guess not
[12:56] <davmor2> foobarry: http://www.bbfc.co.uk/what-classification/12a-and-12 late and you probably had an answer already but
[13:03] <selinuxium_> lll
[13:03] <selinuxium_> bloody net connection...
[13:08] <webpigeon> selinuxium: I use docker
[13:10] <selinuxium> What are youy using i for? :) I am getting a little baboozalled with all the orchestration tools... :)
[13:11] <selinuxium> Are you using it on ubuntu?
[13:13] <webpigeon> I've got a bunch of debian VMs which i'm using it on
[13:13] <webpigeon> 1 commerical system (5 containers) and a bunch of little things (forum, smtp server, xmpp server, etc...)
[13:13] <webpigeon> docker-compose is pretty much the only tool i'm using with it
[13:14] <selinuxium> Cheers :)
[13:15] <webpigeon> I'd recommend using their apt repo because the one packaged directly in debian/ubuntu is a bit old
[13:16] <selinuxium> Ok
[13:16] <selinuxium> Have you dabbled with Chef/Puppet?
[13:17] <webpigeon> puppet I used to use where I used to work before my PhD (used it to manage 200 windows desktops and a few debian servers)
[13:18] <foobarry> what do you do now webpigeon
[13:19] <webpigeon> looking at controlling non-player characters in role playing games
[13:20] <webpigeon> doing some work for the uni as well do with collecting statistical models for commuters (think Waze)
[13:22] <foobarry> where u based?
[13:22] <webpigeon> University of Essex (Colchester)
[13:22] <foobarry> i'm looking for mathematically minded linux users to employ for a special role
[13:23] <foobarry> are you still doing the phd?
[13:23] <webpigeon> indeed I am
[13:23] <foobarry> when do u finish?
[13:23] <webpigeon> 2 more years - only started last year
[13:23] <foobarry> heh
[13:23] <foobarry> so maybe 3 ... or 4
[13:24] <foobarry> ...
[13:24] <webpigeon> It's 4 year fixed term :)
[13:26] <foobarry> good luck :)
[13:26] <webpigeon> thanks :)
[16:00] <diddledan_> a further enhancement to my microphone arrived today : a popfilter
[16:00] <diddledan_> now all I'm missing is a magewell hdmi-to-usb3 thingy and a suitable cable
[16:01] <daftykins> and a reason!
[16:01] <diddledan_> pssh
[16:01] <diddledan_> reasons are overrated
[16:03] <daftykins> :>
[16:03] <daftykins> i expect some imaginary dinosaur fight recordings for testing purposes!
[16:05] <diddledan_> haha
[16:05] <diddledan_> that'll require opening my nephew's xmas pressie!
[16:05] <daftykins> hmm, mission impossible
[16:08] <zmoylan-pi> so they get a broken used pressie, they must have just made santas naughty list... :-)
[16:17] <daftykins> blech, couldn't get a patch panel to do what i wanted so i'm having to send it back :(
[16:20] <diddledan_> daftykins: you should install a patch
[16:20] <daftykins> lead? ;)
[16:20] <diddledan_> "heavy man"
[16:21] <diddledan_> I wonder why lead and lead are spelt the same when they're entirely different
[16:21] <davmor2> yeah but he's a big softie
[16:21] <diddledan_> o/ I'm one of those!
[16:22] <davmor2> diddledan_: more import lead and led are written differently but pronounce the same
[16:22] <davmor2> unless it is the other lead
[16:23] <diddledan_> you could have a led on the end of a lead
[16:23] <davmor2> same for I read a book and I've read a book
[16:24] <diddledan_> you need to remember which witch is which, too
[16:25] <davmor2> diddledan_: yes you always want the right one to write the rite and not the wrong one
[16:26] <diddledan_> and there's always their misuse of they're
[16:28] <davmor2> I never get that right and I try :D
[16:29] <SuperEngineer> & just why does a baker use dough to make bread but uses doh! when burning bread?
[16:30] <davmor2> diddledan_: where werewolf wear were wear and who knows where they were
[16:30] <diddledan_> ooh eck that's a good one
[16:33] <SuperEngineer> Symantics are even more fun...
[16:33] <davmor2> and they say English is hard to learn pffff
[16:33] <SuperEngineer> [say the following repeatedly but putting the empasis on a deifferent each time]
[16:33] <SuperEngineer> i didn't say he stole the money
[16:34] <diddledan_> it's not hard. I'd mastered it by the time I was 5!
[16:34] <diddledan_> and most of that was spent unable to speak at all
[16:34] <SuperEngineer> & you mastered modesty when?
[16:35] <diddledan_> SuperEngineer: last week. she said I was a gentleman
[16:35] <SuperEngineer> impressed!
[16:35] <davmor2> SuperEngineer: mode sty, well like most teens I would imagine
[16:36] <diddledan_> modesty is cute! :-p
[16:36] <davmor2> diddledan_: no pretty sure it is mode.Sty in Qt
[16:37] <diddledan_> :-p
[16:39] <davmor2> diddledan_: you're welcome :)  If you like tongue twisters a nice clean one I discovered in my spelling book was "Ten titchy toads tried tying toes together"
[16:39] <diddledan_> nice
[16:41] <daftykins> perhaps they should have done so tentatively
[16:43] <zmoylan-pi> i've always gone with the traditional i'm not the pheasent plucker, i'm the pheasent pluckers son and i'm only plucking pheasents till the the pheasent plucker comes...
[16:43] <diddledan_> how about, ten tetchy titchy toads tentatively tried tying teeny toes together
[16:43] <daftykins> :>
[16:43] <diddledan_> zmoylan-pi: I always thought that was about a pleasent phucker
[16:44] <diddledan_> the u would probably be ü if we were German
[16:44] <diddledan_> alternatively "phoocker"
[16:44] <daftykins> are you talking about flying fokkers?
[16:45] <zmoylan-pi> and she sells sea shells by the sea shore was about an actual person
[16:45] <daftykins> i wonder how good business was?
[16:47] <SuperEngineer> she sold several sacks saying sayings [she said]
[16:51] <davmor2> she sells seashells from the seashore if she sells sea shells from the seashore she'll sell sea shells forever more
[16:52] <davmor2> diddledan_: no you lose the red lorry, yellow lorry repetition error if you throw in tentatively
[18:51] <m0nkey__> Hola!
[18:58] <davmor2> hello
[19:07]  * m0nkey__ tickles diddledan_
[21:27] <foobarry> is there an easy way on linux to dedrm amazon books?
[21:27] <popey> yes
[21:27] <foobarry> seem to remember the old way was annoying and required wine and pycrypto
[21:27] <foobarry> oh?
[21:27] <popey> calibre has a drm stripper
[21:28] <foobarry> hmm. maybe i used to do it the hard way
[21:28] <foobarry> will look again
[21:33] <diddledan_> m0nkey_: sorry, was round the parentals
[21:38] <foobarry> hmm. still not straightforward in calibre
[21:39] <foobarry> amazon suck
[21:42] <foobarry> anyone know how to find the key for the wine kindle pc app?
[21:51] <foobarry> hmm seem to have this error https://github.com/apprenticeharper/DeDRM_tools/issues/25
[23:01] <mapps> hmm
[23:02] <mapps> will the petrol station sell toothpaste
[23:02] <mapps> i reckon yes
[23:02] <diddledan_> I think they should
[23:03] <mapps> got bite all over me
[23:03] <diddledan_> who was she? :-p
[23:03] <mapps> i open the windows to get air in..and yep stupid mosquitos
[23:03] <diddledan_> aww, that's less fun than I was thinking :-p
[23:05] <mapps> its annoying
[23:05] <mapps> no windows open and its all stuffy
[23:23] <mapps> hmm what to do, not in the mood to do anything
[23:23] <daftykins> that doesn't leave a lot of choices :D
[23:24] <mapps> peep show..apprentice and get a rubbish burger i guess
[23:30] <mapps> easyJet expects the new route to attract around 30,000 visitors during the first 12 months of operation. Fares will start from £35.49 one way.
[23:30] <mapps> pretty cheap
[23:39] <mapps> peep show's so funny
[23:52] <brobostigon> someone on my facebook just said, 2001 to be total boredum, what blasphemy, arthur c clarke is a genius.
[23:58] <mapps> ;]
[23:58] <mapps> apprentice time!


[09:09] <rmg51> Morning
[12:05] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys?, hamsters and everything else
[12:18] <JonathanD> pleia2: wireshark is fixed \o/
[12:18] <JonathanD> pleia2: I assume you did it personally so thanks.
[14:08] <JonathanD> mmm
[14:08] <JonathanD> but mergecap is broken now \o/
[15:31] <lazyPower> o/ everyone
[15:45] <JonathanD> hi lazyPower
[16:40] <pleia2> JonathanD: haha
[16:46] <InHisName> noonie everyone
[16:48] <JonathanD> Heya.
[17:41] <ChinnoDog> sup
[20:22] <InHisName> Taxes done several days ago.  Sigh of relief.   Takin' a rest.
[20:23] <adom> hope so, since its the 21st and taxes are due the 15th.


[02:01] <blkorpheus> lirc-modules-sources, has been broken, is broken..
[02:01] <blkorpheus> I found one kernel where it will compile <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:01] <blkorpheus> I'd like to keep running the <IP_ADDRESS>-server kernel
[02:02] <blkorpheus> but if I want my remote back, have to back up a kernel
[02:07] <Whizkid> I'm trying to netboot Hardy on an old laptop with a PCMCIA card reader. I've tried one image that always says there are no kernel images. Which boot image should I be using, and if I'm using the right one, how does one get around the kernel issue?
[02:14] <blkorpheus> startupmanager still renaming the good kernel image as a backup, thus halting grub with an error 15
[02:18] <DanaG> Random link to my battery issue bug report:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/181101
[02:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 181101 in ubuntu "Hardy: new 2.6.24 'power_supply' interface confuses HAL (sees duplicate batteries)" [Undecided,New]
[02:22] <blkorpheus> There is no package name 'lirc-modules-source ' published in Ubuntu
[02:22] <blkorpheus> trying to file a bug for this package lirc-modules-source
[02:22] <blkorpheus> its been broken for a few versions now
[02:22] <blkorpheus> even debian
[02:27] <blkorpheus> Bug #147440
[02:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147440 in lirc "cannot make lirc_i2c kernel module" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147440
[02:27] <blkorpheus> where is the fix?
[02:50] <teethdood> I'm about to take the plunge to hardy. Any last words of wisdom?
[02:51] <WorkingOnWise> teethdood: ever run an alpha OS before?
[02:51] <teethdood> WorkingOnWise: yes, ubuntu 6.10, 7.04, 7.10
[02:52] <WorkingOnWise> teethdood: in that case....dive! dive! Dive!  hehe...
[02:52] <teethdood> 7.10 doesn't excite me anymore :) I need things to break so I can sweat and cuss, and stuff
[02:52] <cwillu> ooo, so it's time for the unwashed masses to start installing 7.10?! :)
[02:53] <WorkingOnWise> teethdood: ever run Windows? It provides lots of that....
[02:53] <cwillu> mythtv can provide sufficient cussing too, depending on your expectations
[02:53] <WorkingOnWise> sems aroun here all we ever get is a broke xserver sometimes.
[02:54] <teethdood> I want to get my hands on PulseAudio..I hear good things about it
[02:54] <WorkingOnWise> cwillu: I looked at mythtv back with 7.04 and decided i'd give it a year to simmer before I tried that brain damage again  :)
[02:54] <cwillu> :p
[02:55] <cwillu> I had a hauppauge 150 card lying around, makes for a surprisingly smooth install
[02:55] <WorkingOnWise> teethdood: I have it installed...not a clue what it is, but it sure sounds cool!  :D
[02:55] <WorkingOnWise> cwillu: of mythtv?
[02:56] <cwillu> all it really needs is somebody who didn't grow up with it to point out all the really really stupid configuration options that no normal person should ever see
[02:56] <teethdood> audio that pulses...what more can you ask for
[02:56] <cwillu> yes
[02:56]  * DanaG loves having multiple audio devices.
[02:56] <cwillu> WorkingOnWise, better yet, I bought a 500 (150$, dual tuner), and it just worked
[02:56] <WorkingOnWise> cwillu: have u messed with elisa?
[02:56] <teethdood> elisa is nice!
[02:56] <cwillu> no, what is that?
[02:56] <WorkingOnWise> cwillu: really? in Ubuntu?
[02:57] <cwillu> mythbuntu
[02:57] <cwillu> the base hauppauge cards have good support
[02:57] <cwillu> /dev/video0 outputs an mpeg2 stream
[02:57] <teethdood> elisa would be a lot nicer if it allows me to type in a description for each movie file I have on there
[02:57] <teethdood> right now it just lists the movie filenames
[02:57] <WorkingOnWise> cwillu: it's in the repos. looks like a media center of sorts. didnt impress me much, but it is much simpler to install that myth is at least.
[02:58] <cwillu> tv and remote support?
[02:58] <WorkingOnWise> no clue.
[02:58] <teethdood> elisa doesn't do TV
[02:59] <cwillu> under development
[02:59] <cwillu> good
[02:59] <teethdood> it's just a nice interface for throwing media files at it
[02:59] <WorkingOnWise> i use my laptop as a mini (yeah right....17" display) dvd player sometimes and want a little more integration that totem or mplayer...
[02:59] <cwillu> I've got users that depend on their tv
[02:59] <cwillu> inherited a blurry 22" monitor, and the roommates' tv blew up at the same time
[02:59] <cwillu> our tv is now a blurry 22" monitor ;p[
[02:59] <WorkingOnWise> lol
[03:00] <teethdood> someone just pointed me to MediaTomb...allows you to stream music/videos to all your networked computers so they work like cable TV
[03:00] <cwillu> apparently we've got a 42" projection tv coming next weekend, but they got addicted to 'pause live tv' really really quickely
[03:00]  * DanaG wishes CableLabs weren't 'in bed with the devil', so to speak, and would allow Linux use of CableCard -- even if it's not open-source.
[03:01] <cwillu> so, I've got a collection of 16 git repo's, all around 1-2 gigs in size
[03:01] <cwillu> that have never been repacked
[03:01] <cwillu> This, it would seem, Is Not A Supported Use
[03:01] <DanaG> Where 'the devil' is the MAFIAA ( http://mafiaa.org/ ).
[03:02] <WorkingOnWise> cwillu: are there any reasonable ways to get a good signal to a laptop for viewing cable tv wirelessly?
[03:02] <cwillu> define reasonable :p
[03:03] <cwillu> I know you could stream the mpeg2 output from the capture card to the laptop via netcat or something
[03:03] <WorkingOnWise> some small usb or firewire device as a reciever for the laptop, and a transmiter on the cable tv connection
[03:03] <cwillu> I _think_ myth tv would let you use the laptop as a frontend (viewing live the output from the backend containing the capture card)
[03:03] <DanaG> Or do this:
[03:03] <DanaG> cable -> amplifier -> antenna
[03:03] <DanaG> antenna on laptop -> tuner.
[03:04] <cwillu> hauppauge sells a box to do that, but they only officially support windows, and none of their usb devices have linux support yet afaik
[03:04] <DanaG> But watch out for the FCC...
[03:04] <cwillu> honestly, if I were doing it, I'd go with having a machine plugged into the cable, and doing something over 802.11 to get to the laptop
[03:05] <WorkingOnWise> DanaG: is that site a joke? MAFIAA?
[03:05] <cwillu> I don't need to deal with yet another wireless device on my laptop :p
[03:05] <WorkingOnWise> cwillu: i only have 4 now...plenty of room!  :D
[03:06] <DanaG> Look at the date.
[03:06] <WorkingOnWise> DanaG: it must be....
[03:06] <cwillu> 802.11, bluetooth, what else?
[03:07] <cwillu> dual usb wireless adapters?
[03:07] <cwillu> and a cell card for the really remote locations?
[03:07] <DanaG> Bluetooth is slow.
[03:07] <WorkingOnWise> DanaG: I see the date...that cant be for real....even the RIAA isnt That stupid!
[03:08] <WorkingOnWise> cwillu: two 802.11, usb wireless mouse and keyboard for the docking station...
[03:09] <DanaG> I tried even PulseAudio's RTP thingy over 11g (at 36 megabits, for some reason), and that was droppy.
[03:09] <DanaG> http://reports.internic.net/cgi/whois?whois_nic=mafiaa.org&type=domain
[03:09] <DanaG> Not any industry name.
[03:09] <DanaG> But anyway, that's off-topic.
[03:10] <cwillu> bah, forgot about wireless input :p
[03:10]  * cwillu shudders at the mention of rtp
[03:11] <cwillu> really, I'm shuddering more at java's implementation of rtp about 6 years ago
[03:11] <UnNaturalHigh> After adding the hardy repositories on a test machine I have noticed that quite a few things will be upgraded. Is it possible to remove the hardy repository and go back to a gutsy repository or is that going to break?
[03:11] <cwillu> but the nightmare's are still there
[03:11] <DanaG> It's possible.... but really really unadvised.
[03:11] <UnNaturalHigh> DanaG, for example, things are going to break-due to configuration files being changed?
[03:11] <cwillu> UnNaturalHigh, there's some settings you can put in /etc/apt/preferences to make it not automatically use gutsy repos for upgrades
[03:12] <cwillu> if you haven't installed anything, then reverting sources.list and apt-get update'ing should bring you back to a sane state
[03:12] <DanaG> Oh, I didn't notice that you said you hadn't upgraded.
[03:12] <UnNaturalHigh> cwillu, I am aware that I can remove the sources.list entry, but I am just curious about being able to move backwards and forwards
[03:13] <cwillu> did you want to upgrade completely, or are you trying to just get some upgraded packages in an otherwise working gutsy install?
[03:14] <UnNaturalHigh> cwillu, exactly
[03:14] <cwillu> which?
[03:14] <UnNaturalHigh> I wish to use the latest GCC and kernel for some things I am developing
[03:14] <cwillu> you can just download and install the debs directly, assuming they don't rely on anything
[03:14] <cwillu> I run the hardy kernel on that myth box I was talking about above on gutsy, for instance
[03:15] <cwillu> the backports page on the ubuntu wiki shows how to add a repo without using it by default
[03:15] <UnNaturalHigh> so the best way is to download the individual deb's or can I add the repositories and through some mechanism tell apt to use only certain packages from the hard repository?
[03:15] <cwillu> you probably want to do that, and then install the package you want via synaptic | force version
[03:15] <cwillu> or that, yes
[03:16] <UnNaturalHigh> cwillu, sorry, the later way is the one you would suggest?
[03:17] <cwillu> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports, except use the hardy repo instead of the backports repos'
[03:17] <cwillu> it has instructions for the preferences file, which will do the second thing you mentioned (the synaptics | force version)
[03:18] <UnNaturalHigh> cwillu, perfect, thank you
[03:18] <UnNaturalHigh> I find this mixing of repositories something lacking in ubuntu
[03:18] <cwillu> it's not a recommended state really
[03:18]  * UnNaturalHigh is to sued to rolling update styles such as in archlinux/gentoo
[03:18] <cwillu> it's only necessary when you're mixing repo's with very large numbers of packages that aren't designed to work together
[03:18] <UnNaturalHigh> *used
[03:21] <cwillu> is #ubuntu still full and crazy with compiz issues, or have those calmed down since release?
[03:21] <cwillu> I haven't dared to look in a while :p
[03:21] <UnNaturalHigh> cwillu, have not seen many of those personally
[03:21] <WorkingOnWise> cwillu: it has smoothed a bit.
[03:22] <cwillu> nice
[03:22] <DanaG> I have downgraded a system once, and it actually worked.  However, I then missed everything that was new in the newer version, and upgraded to it again.
[03:22] <cwillu> I noticed hardy turns compiz on on my radeon now
[03:24] <WorkingOnWise> cwillu: biggest things i see now are ppl either not knowing what hardware they have, or trting to force their trident video card with 4mb of vid ram to do full 3d rendering
[03:24] <cwillu> lol
[03:24] <cwillu> did that once (voodoo3)
[03:24] <cwillu> yay for software rendering :p
[03:25] <UnNaturalHigh> DanaG, I have two laptops, and one which runs archlinux and I miss some of the new features on my ubuntu laptop
[03:26] <cwillu> woot, 5 minutes, and not a single compiz issue :)
[03:26] <UnNaturalHigh> which do you guys recommend to use more aptitude/apt-get to install/remove packages?
[03:27] <UnNaturalHigh> I have read that aptitude is much more robust then apt-get, is that true?
[03:27] <WorkingOnWise> cwillu: lol...i haven't had any problems with compiz-fusion at all. real stable.
[03:27] <UnNaturalHigh> btw, thx for the info cwillu on the repositories, it works great!
[03:27] <Pici> I believe apt-get's behavior is more similar to aptitude's now.  But I personally use aptitude.
[03:27] <cwillu> UnNaturalHigh, n[
[03:27] <cwillu> np even :p
[03:28] <WorkingOnWise> UnNaturalHigh: I use Synaptic and have never had a problem.
[03:28]  * IdleOne uses aptitude
[03:28] <Pici> But then again, I review what exactly it wants to do, what packages it wants to remove, and all the changelogs as well.
[03:29] <UnNaturalHigh> I heard that aptitude has better package tracking allowing it to completely remove packages 'properly'
[03:29] <WorkingOnWise> UnNaturalHigh: unless I have a seriously broken package, then I use apt-get
[03:29] <cwillu> WorkingOnWise, still needs to do the repo thing, but synaptic supported what he's looking for
[03:29]  * UnNaturalHigh doesn't use synaptic
[03:29] <UnNaturalHigh> I prefer cli
[03:29] <Pici> I prefer cli as well.
[03:30] <Pici> I have a shell alias setup to run `sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude full-upgrade`.
[03:30] <WorkingOnWise> cwillu: I like the fact that synaptic will allow me to backport individual packages and manage repos too...
[03:30]  * cwillu uses apt-get, aptitude, dpkg, synaptic, and occasional direct python hacking of the apt cache :p
[03:30]  * DanaG always uses aptitude.
[03:31] <UnNaturalHigh> cwillu, doing this method of pinning, will it also update them when I update my system?
[03:31] <Pici> WorkingOnWise: I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that it only did that with respect to itself, so if you use another tool, it won't necesarrily pin properly.
[03:31] <DanaG> well, 'always' is a bit too strong, but I use for mostly everything.
[03:31] <cwillu> UnNaturalHigh, yes;  it's not really pinning, it's pinning the repo it'll try to download from
[03:32] <DanaG> You can also pin by release name.
[03:32] <WorkingOnWise> Pici: not sure actually. I only have one package back ported to an old version, and I always uncheck it before I update.
[03:32]  * UnNaturalHigh is excited to get b43 going on this laptop
[03:32] <UnNaturalHigh> I have heard b43 is much better then bcm43xx
[03:33] <DanaG> Oh hey, cwillu: you said you have, or had, a voodoo3?  I have one of those lying around, and I'm wondering what, if anything, it's useful for nowadays.
[03:33] <teethdood> what is this "Gobuntu"? this is the first I've seen it
[03:33] <cwillu> it'll run 2d accelerated
[03:33] <cwillu> not much use for 3d
[03:34] <Pici> !gobuntu
[03:34] <ubotu> gobuntu is a freedom-focused flavour of Ubuntu intended for experienced Linux enthusiasts. See http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/gobuntu for more information and download mirrors..
[03:34] <DanaG> And where can I go for a "Stopbuntu"?
[03:34] <cwillu> might be able to get a second head up on it if it's pci, but you'll lose dri for any remotely sane setup
[03:35] <teethdood> DanaG: this is OSS, roll your own Stopuntu :)
[03:35] <UnNaturalHigh> it is nice to see all these ubuntu variants spawning with e17
[03:35] <UnNaturalHigh> e17 has a lot of potential
[03:35] <DanaG> And 'elbuntu' reminds me of 'elbonia'.
[03:36] <WorkingOnWise> whats e17?
[03:36] <teethdood> there's an elbuntu?!? what's the world coming me
[03:36] <teethdood> to
[03:36] <DanaG> I remember once comparing (in Windows) my voodoo3 to a GeForce2.
[03:36] <iN00DLE> e17 = enlightenment 17 WorkingOnWise
[03:36] <Pici> elbuntu?
[03:36] <UnNaturalHigh> WorkingOnWise, a "Desktop Manager"; something between a window manager and a desktop environment
[03:36] <DanaG> Big thing I noticed: GeForce 2 couldn't do video overlay at the nice resolution (for 19" CRT at that time) of 1280x960.
[03:37] <UnNaturalHigh> WorkingOnWise, www.enlightenment.org and www.get-e.org
[03:37] <WorkingOnWise> iN00DLE: i see today that 2 way works between evolution and gcal
[03:37] <iN00DLE> O.O I hadn't checked WorkingOnWise
[03:38] <teethdood> ok here we go...I'm taking the plunge!
[03:38] <teethdood> 8.04 upgrading
[03:38] <iN00DLE> so you preloaded ubuntu+1 channel just in case teethdood ?
[03:38] <WorkingOnWise> I tinkered with Enlightenment a while back but didnt have the time to figure it out. It looks sweet, but was so differant from with I expected/was used to....
[03:39] <teethdood> iN00DLE: I always come here when upgrading...you never know :)
[03:39] <iN00DLE> the only thing I liked from enlightenment was the dock'ish bar, but I came to find I prefer Gimmie over even AWN curves and such
[03:40] <DanaG> gimmie?
[03:41] <WorkingOnWise> i do like gimmie.
[03:41] <iN00DLE> it is proposed for the official 8.04 final release
[03:41] <iN00DLE> if you set it in the gnome panel vs on the desktop, it gets even sweeter, especially if you like tweaking your eye candy
[03:42] <WorkingOnWise> iN00DLE: didnt know u could set gimmie on the desktop
[03:42] <iN00DLE> took me a while to figure it out WorkingOnWise , I had seen it but couldn't find the preferences
[03:42] <teethdood> for the dock thing, I like Kibadock the best
[03:43] <iN00DLE> WorkingOnWise, turns out you right click on the gnome panel and there it is under ADD
[03:43] <WorkingOnWise> iN00DLE: I thought that was only to add to a panel?
[03:43] <UnNaturalHigh> one thing missing is some sort of interface to manage lvm2 (GUI wise)
[03:43] <iN00DLE> and preferences can then be set for it as far as the panel goes, and I divided it up, turned it to text only and it is pretty spiffy for my desktop
[03:44] <DanaG> What is this 'gimmie' thing?
[03:45]  * UnNaturalHigh is also interested in this "gimmi" thing
[03:45] <iN00DLE> should be in the repo, but here is the home page http://beatniksoftware.com/gimmie/Main_Page
[03:46] <UnNaturalHigh> does gimmie require 3D acceleration?
[03:47] <teethdood> Gimmie's colors make me want to shoot myself
[03:48] <WorkingOnWise> UnNaturalHigh: no it doesn't
[03:48] <UnNaturalHigh> WorkingOnWise, that is definitely neat
[03:49] <WorkingOnWise> teethdood: u can turn off the colors
[03:49] <UnNaturalHigh> #ubuntu+1 > #ubuntu
[03:49] <WorkingOnWise> well, mostly
[03:49] <UnNaturalHigh> to many noobs in #ubuntu
[03:50] <WorkingOnWise> thats who Ubuntu is for...It's goo theres a place for them to go and get solid help...  :)
[03:51] <iN00DLED> power outage FTL
[03:52] <RadiantFire> anyone here tried installing Hardy in VirtualBox and/or managed to get the guest additions built?
[03:52] <iN00DLED> DanaG, Mint uses Gimmie by default as of 4.0
[03:53] <UnNaturalHigh> brb, rebooting into new kernel
[03:55] <WorkingOnWise> iN00DLEdo u run gimmie in hardy?
[03:55] <iN00DLED> yes WorkingOnWise
[03:55] <iN00DLED> it is proposed for the final release as well
[03:55] <WorkingOnWise> in a panel, or on the desktop?
[03:55] <iN00DLED> I run it in a panel
[03:55] <WorkingOnWise> its in the repos now....
[03:55] <Pici> Its was in the Gutsy repos iirc.
[03:56] <WorkingOnWise> i want to run it as a dock.....like the project page shows.
[03:56] <iN00DLED> not sure Pici
[03:56] <iN00DLED> it runs that way by default WorkingOnWise
[03:56] <Pici> !info gimmie gutsy
[03:56] <ubotu> gimmie: desktop organizer for Linux, alternative GNOME panel. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.2.7repack-0ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 219 kB, installed size 1176 kB
[03:56] <iN00DLED> wait...project page?
[03:57] <iN00DLED> I will have to see what it looks like there WorkingOnWise
[03:57] <WorkingOnWise> iN00DLE ok
[03:57] <iN00DLED> I use it on the panel, I broke it up using preferences and removed the Icon option
[03:57] <iN00DLED> so I have 3 seperate text buttons (also removed People)
[03:57] <WorkingOnWise> thats how I have it too
[03:57]  * Pici tries it out again.
[03:58] <WorkingOnWise> on the website, it shows it as a dock, not part of the Gnome panel
[03:58] <iN00DLED> the slickest part is typing in the program in the find box, very nice for the windows person checking out or migrating to Ubuntu/Linux
[03:58] <Pici> WorkingOnWise: link?
[03:59] <WorkingOnWise> http://beatniksoftware.com/gimmie/Screenshots
[04:00] <iN00DLED> to access the preferences when in that dock form, WorkingOnWise , you go to gconf-editor and under Apps>Gimmie they should be found
[04:01] <iN00DLED> however I couldn't manipulate them as well such as removing People, WorkingOnWise , couldn't find another set of Preferences
[04:02] <cwillu> how up to date is the gimmie in gutsy?
[04:03] <WorkingOnWise> cwillu: newest version is in the repo
[04:03] <DanaG> What sets the 'people' things there?
[04:04] <iN00DLE> your chat programs and such, it keeps track of them
[04:04] <cwillu> sweet
[04:04] <WorkingOnWise> DanaG: all your evolution and pidgin contacts, and their online status
[04:05] <DanaG> It's not seeing my AIM ones.
[04:05] <WorkingOnWise> DanaG: as in aim client, or aim contacts in pidgen?
[04:06] <DanaG> Contacts.
[04:08] <WorkingOnWise> DanaG: not sure. I use Pidgin and Evolution, and sync pidgin with evolution, and Gimmie shows them all.
[04:09] <DanaG> Okay, it sees my AIM account (with a yahoo-looking icon), but it shows 100% of people as offline.
[04:10]  * DanaG tries restarting Pidgin...
[04:10] <cwillu> what's the standard way of undoing a make install?
[04:10] <cwillu> make uninstall?
[04:10] <Pici> usually.  or installing with checkinstall the first time around.
[04:10] <cwillu> grrrrrr
[04:10] <DanaG> Nope, now absolutely nobody is shown as online.
[04:11] <Pici> cwillu: or make remove.  It all depends on what the developer has setup as make targets
[04:11] <DanaG> I also have Evolution integration turned off, because I don't use Evolution.
[04:11] <cwillu> ya, nothing obvious showed up in the makefile, and I was hoping that maybe that was because of some make magic
[04:12] <WorkingOnWise> DanaG: did u click "Online now" in People?
[04:13] <DanaG> Yeah.
[04:13] <WorkingOnWise> what chat client do u use?
[04:14] <DanaG> Pidgin.
[04:15] <DanaG> OOh, coolest thing I just did: enable printer sharing on 2 computers, and enable showing networked printers.
[04:15] <DanaG> It's that amazingly easy now to print to announced printers.
[04:15] <WorkingOnWise> DanaG: forgive the dumb question.... u do have any contacts online in pidgin
[04:17] <DanaG> Yes.
[04:22] <teethdood> 25 minbefore 8.04 make or break
[04:23] <WorkingOnWise> DanaG: not sure. did u just install it?
[04:28] <cwillu> gl teethdood
[04:30] <teethdood> thanks cwillu :) 3 months of waiting is long enough :)
[04:30] <cwillu> lol
[04:30] <cwillu> teethdood, you have more than one machine I hope?
[04:30] <cwillu> or a good backup regiment?
[04:30] <cwillu> or a willingness to live in a strangly broken system for longish periods of time?
[04:31] <teethdood> I have 7.10 CDs on hand :)
[04:31] <cwillu> preferably all three?
[04:31] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I did just install 'gimmie'.
[04:31] <teethdood> alternate works for me :)
[04:31] <teethdood> how is gimmie? anyone ever tried kibadock?
[04:32] <DanaG> If I restart gimmie, it shows only one of my contacts as online.
[04:35] <UnNaturalHigh> any of you own a seagate free agent hard drive?
[04:38] <cwillu> I've got a 500gb usb drive, not a freeagent though
[04:48] <UnNaturalHigh> I am just wondering if there is a way to fix the problem with them spinning down and then coming back on at usb1
[04:49] <teethdood> UnNaturalHigh: I read this in slashdot awhile back
[04:49] <UnNaturalHigh> yea, my friend has one
[04:49] <teethdood> google or search slashdot
[04:49] <UnNaturalHigh> his first day on ubuntu and his first problem
[04:50] <teethdood> ok I ought to shutdown running apps...installing 8.04 right now
[04:51] <teethdood> good night all if it breaks, see you all in a bit if it works
[04:51] <DanaG> I had the "drive unloads heads way too frequently" issue; I don't remember what I did to fix it.
[04:51] <DanaG> Hitachi 7k200 200GB.
[05:13] <DanaG> I found a lovely way to confuse PulseAudio:
[05:13] <DanaG> use the tunnel module on both ends, and set the playback "for <hostname>" on each to point to the other.
[05:18] <DanaG> Or even better, have a 'simultaneous' on each.
[05:32] <teethdood> alright, I survived the upgrade!
[05:33] <cwillu> woot!
[05:38] <WorkingOnWise> teethdood: i was kinda disappointed when I did mine.
[05:39] <teethdood> you were expecting some breakage huh? ;)
[05:39] <WorkingOnWise> teethdood: yeah
[05:40] <WorkingOnWise> but noooooooo.... they gotta make their alpha stuff work right too! These ppl just dont understand a users needs  :D
[05:40] <teethdood> I got a couple of issues already though
[05:40] <DanaG> gaack, Pidgin doesn't deal well with changing NICs.
[05:40] <WorkingOnWise> teethdood: cool! what?
[05:41] <teethdood> I have my top panel autohide. It doesnt unhide
[05:41] <WorkingOnWise> I always get nick collisions cuz I sign into freenode and ubuntu irc servers at the same time.
[05:41] <WorkingOnWise> teethdood: that could be a bit tricky!
[05:42] <SeveredCross> Uh, freenode == ubuntu servers.
[05:42] <DanaG> gaack, Pidgin doesn't deal well with changing NICs.  Oh, and I still can't see any contacts.
[05:42] <DanaG> Is it a redirect, or just a DNS entry?
[05:42] <WorkingOnWise> SeveredCross: huh?
[05:43] <teethdood> WorkingOnWise: the thing is, it unhides when I move the mouse towards the left or right corners...interesting
[05:43] <SeveredCross> I believe it's a redirect.
[05:43] <SeveredCross> I connect to "Ubuntu Servers" listed in XChat's network list and can join Freenode channels without any issues.
[05:43] <WorkingOnWise> sounds like a confilct between compiz-fusions Expose and gnome panel ?
[05:43] <SeveredCross> So, as far as I can tell, Ubuntu Servers [05:44] <WorkingOnWise> that last was to teethdood
[05:44] <WorkingOnWise> SeveredCross: I see channels in freenode I dont see in ubuntu.
[05:44] <teethdood> WorkingOnWise: yeah...I'm off to bugtracker
[05:45] <WorkingOnWise> teethdood: enjoy
[05:45] <SeveredCross> WorkingOnWise: Really?
[05:45] <SeveredCross> I don't.
[05:45] <teethdood> WorkingOnWise: hehe loving it :P
[05:45] <SeveredCross> Which channel, for example
[05:46] <WorkingOnWise> SeveredCross: I'll go find one..bbs
[05:52] <DanaG> How do I fix my contacts for 'gimmie'?
[05:52] <WorkingOnWise> SeveredCross: hmmm....can't find any....musta just missed some when I was lookin in ubuntu and saw then when I was lookin in freenode
[05:52] <SeveredCross> :-)
[05:53] <SeveredCross> Look at your server status window.
[05:53] <WorkingOnWise> so I'll stop loggin to both and causing my nick colission!
[05:53] <SeveredCross> The Network says "Ubuntu Servers" because that's what XChat knows it as, but the server status window says calvino.freenode.net
[05:54] <WorkingOnWise> I use pidgin for irc....
[05:55] <DanaG> I'm going to try something: perhaps 'telepathy' will work with that 'gimmie' thing.
[05:55] <WorkingOnWise> DanaG: have u shut down gimmie and pidgin?
[05:55] <DanaG> Yeah, I've tried restarting each.  In which order should I start them?
[05:56] <WorkingOnWise> it doesnt matter for me. I would imagine since it is a panel app, start gimmie and then pidgin since gimmie will start before pidgin during a log in.
[05:57] <DanaG> I've done it that way already, and all I get is no contacts listed as online.
[05:57] <WorkingOnWise> wierd.
[05:58] <DanaG> I'm watching with dbus-monitor, and it seems like Pidgin is only ever returning 0 on 'purplebuddyisonline' queries.
[05:58] <WorkingOnWise> are u up to dat with pidgin and gimmie? I have 2.2.2 for pidgin
[05:59] <DanaG> I'm using whatever's in the package manager.
[05:59] <WorkingOnWise> I have everything in the repos for pidgin and purple installed....maybe thats it?
[05:59] <WorkingOnWise> then u are up to date there..
[06:00] <WorkingOnWise> do u have all the pidgin plugins installed? and all the stuff for purple? I think there are 2 libs for purple...
[06:01] <DanaG> Yeah, except for things like 'sipe' and 'thinklight' and 'guifications'.
[06:02] <DanaG> Purple is returning 0 for buddyisonline.
[06:05] <WorkingOnWise> I installed all, except things that were guarenteed not to wotk, like thinklight. try just installing everything related to pidgin. reading the webpage, it seems like the person writing it may not be a great documenter of his code. It is possible he is calling some odd function in a seemingly unrelated plugin. I am pretty sure buddyisonline will return 0 for both 0 online, and for not recieving a request since startup. If
[06:06] <WorkingOnWise> it is written in python, so the error handleing isn't very good unless the programer writes good traps
[06:06] <DanaG> I also have tried with 'dbus example' plugin both disabled and enabled.
[06:06] <teethdood> what alpha version are we on now guys?
[06:06] <WorkingOnWise> Alpha 2
[06:07] <teethdood> WorkingOnWise: thanks, doing that bug report
[06:07] <WorkingOnWise> DanaG: where are u looking at dbus info? I'l see what mine is doing
[06:07] <teethdood> btw, the culprit is the Desktop Wall compiz plugin messing around with gnome-panel
[06:07] <WorkingOnWise> teethdood: yw
[06:08] <DanaG> dbus-monitor (in console)
[06:08] <WorkingOnWise> teethdood: thats y i never see it. I turn it off to turn on something with the cube as soon as I enable compiz-fusion
[06:09] <DanaG> Yeah, buddyisonline is returning 0 always.
[06:09] <DanaG> Who knows, maybe it's case-sensitive.
[06:09] <DanaG> I just had a buddy sign on, and still nothing.
[06:10] <teethdood> WorkingOnWise: dunno if I should file in launchpad or with the compiz ppl, probably launchpad
[06:10] <UnNaturalHigh> have any of you guys tried using rtorrent in hardy?
[06:10] <WorkingOnWise> teethdood: I would do launchpad and let them forward it if needed...
[06:11] <DanaG> Do you have 'dbus example' enabled?
[06:11] <WorkingOnWise> no
[06:12] <DanaG> Nope, didn't fix it.
[06:13] <WorkingOnWise> i am not seing anything for buddiesonline at all...
[06:13] <DanaG> Try clicking on stuff in the 'people' panel.
[06:18] <WorkingOnWise> wow....lots of stuff, nothing for purplebuddiesonline.
[06:18] <WorkingOnWise> brb
[06:18] <DanaG> Oh, now I no longer see that myself, either.
[06:20] <DanaG> Okay, I do see it again.
[06:30]  * DanaG goes to reboot to new kernel, and hopes scheduling is better.
[06:30] <DanaG> Most likely, it won't be.   :(
[06:54] <DanaG> Well, I compiled 'gimmie' myself, and now it crashes instead of not working.
[06:56] <DanaG> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'list_addressbooks'
[06:57] <DanaG> Can't use it.  I'll just disable that broken feature, and go back to the packaged version.
[07:08] <DanaG> dang brokenness.
[10:17] <sarthor> Hi, 'Salam'    i want to get help about ddclient.conf, if i am on wrong place, tell me. my ddclient.conf is here " http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51330/ " i dont want to use crontab for updating, how to update after 120 minutes
[10:30] <sarthor_> Hi, 'Salam'    i want to get help about ddclient.conf, if i am on wrong place, tell me. my ddclient.conf is here " http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51330/ " i dont want to use crontab for updating, how to update after 120 minutes
[12:58] <rama_8086> how to search a particular channel in irc
[12:59] <IdleOne> rama_8086: /list *
[13:02] <Ziroday> anyone know when they pick a new theme>
[13:02] <Ziroday> *?
[13:05] <Pici> when?
[13:05] <Ziroday> yeah
[13:05] <Ziroday> one of the specs is a new theme
[13:06] <Pici> Oh, I thought I was in a different channel, had no idea what you were talking about.
[13:06] <Pici> I'm not sure when the artwork decisions get made.
[13:06] <Ziroday> lol thanks
[13:11] <IdleOne> !release
[13:11] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[13:11] <IdleOne> !schedual
[13:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about schedual - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[13:12] <IdleOne> what is the link for the release schedule
[13:12] <IdleOne> how ever it is spelled
[13:19] <Ziroday> IdleOne: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[13:22] <IdleOne> Ziroday: ty . that is where you might find your answer
[13:51] <Raubkopierer> Hello :)
[13:53] <Raubkopierer> I would like to know where to config my graphic-card. xorg and so on. was where any change from gutsy to hardy?
[13:53] <Raubkopierer> sorry, i don't speak english very well :P
[14:40] <napsy_> hello. is it possible to downgrade my ubuntu from hardy to gutsy?
[14:41] <Pici> !downgrade | napsy_
[14:41] <ubotu> napsy_: Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system.
[14:41] <napsy_> ok tnx
[16:27] <WorkingOnWise> anyone here very farmiure with ff3 and it's plugins?
[16:27] <WorkingOnWise> farmilure
[16:28] <teethdood> familiar :)
[16:30] <WorkingOnWise> is it using the ff2 plugins, or did the seveloders roll their own? I show realplayer plugin for ff3 but I havent installed it yet, and dont have it for ff2.
[16:30] <WorkingOnWise> i'm a rednek
[16:31] <WorkingOnWise> up here we say farmiluar or fermilyer
[16:31] <WorkingOnWise> :D
[17:21] <TheInfinity> anyone tried vmware fusion modules?
[17:21] <TheInfinity> in hardy? because i get a compile error ...
[18:05] <bullgard4> Is s2ram available for Hardy?
[18:13] <specx> hi.I have downloaded hardy heron alpha 2.When the stable version will be released,it will be possible to upgrade the alpha 2 version ? thanks to all
[18:13] <Jeeves_> bullgard4: Doesn't look like it
[18:14] <Jeeves_> specx: You can always upgrade
[18:14] <specx> thanks Jeeves for the reply
[18:15] <bardyr> Spec, hardy will be released in April, there is a release schedule on the ubuntu wiki
[18:16] <specx> I know bardyr,but I want to try it before the stable release :)
[18:18] <Spec> what?!
[18:18] <Spec> there's a specx?!
[18:20] <WorkingOnWis1> is there a working java plugin for ff2 or 3 in Hardy?
[18:21] <Spec> specxx: how long've you been a spec?
[18:21] <specxx> my real nick nameis spectre,but I'm not registered yet
[18:23] <nanonyme> spectre is though
[18:24] <nanonyme> apparently for the past 8 years ^^
[18:32] <WorkingOnWis1> does the j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin plugin actually work?
[18:42] <]Spectre[> BYE BYE
[18:52] <WorkingOnWis1> who has a working plugin for jave in firefox 2 or 3?
[18:52] <WorkingOnWis1> !java
[18:52] <ubotu> To install a Java runtime/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java6-jre from the !Multiverse repository (in !Backports for !Edgy)
[19:00] <khamael> is there a feature list for hardy?
[19:09] <]Spectre[> c
[19:12] <dirk`> I just installed the latest Hardy Alpha and gnome session is hanging on login.  Any fixes?
[19:24] <SeveredCross> No idea, I haven't seen the issue but I'm due for a reboot after the Alpha 3 upgrade cycle today.
[19:25] <SeveredCross> Maybe it's GFX card drivers...FGLRX got an update today.
[19:26] <Pici> dirk`: which alpha?
[19:30] <dirk`> Pici, Daily build from 1-7
[19:30] <dirk`> updated
[19:30] <Pici> dirk`: It doesnt surprise me that a daily build install isnt working.  Those isos don't get even close to the same amount of testing as the alphas do.
[19:31] <dirk`> Well. it did the same on alpha 1 and 2
[19:31] <dirk`> Xfce is working fine, but no Gnome
[19:58] <cavediver> Hello-
[19:58] <cavediver> Is there a way to get avant-window-navigator for hardy ?
[19:58] <cavediver> ooops
[19:58] <cavediver> it was even in the repo.. my mistake
[20:15] <TheInfinity> somebody tried vmware software in hardy?
[20:15] <TheInfinity> i get a compile error there ...
[20:45] <clever> is it posibly to make a hardy rootfs using debootstrap?
[21:52] <tumbleweed__> yup, hardy is runnin fine
[21:53] <blkorpheus> for me as well
[21:53] <blkorpheus> I just wish I could compile lirc-modules-source for the other kernels
[21:53] <marco> anyone able to install KDE4 in hardy? there are dependencies and broken packages, seems to me
[21:53] <marco> (kubuntu )
[21:53] <blkorpheus> nomasteryoda, yes they error out kde4
[21:54] <blkorpheus> ???
[21:54] <marco> ok, so "just" need to wait until they fix
[21:54] <blkorpheus> it appears
[21:54] <nomasteryoda> marco, it will be included in hardy
[21:54] <marco> :)
[22:13] <khamael> is there a list over what features are planned for hardy?
[22:15] <clever> is it posible to make a hardy rootfs using debootstrap?
[23:07] <timing> Hey!
[23:07] <timing> I upgraded to hardy a few days ago
[23:07] <timing> now i notice a lower video performance with compiz and such
[23:08] <timing> this is my video card:
[23:08] <timing> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[23:08] <timing> the intel driver is used in hardy
[23:08] <timing> was this the case in gutsy as well?
[23:09] <timing> I want to see if switching to the older driver can help me with a better performance
[23:09] <timing> (the driver of gutsy that is)
[23:10] <timing> I'll idle for a bit here, see you guys around later!
[23:50] <napsy_> I heard that fedora 8 ships with networkmanager 0.7. Are there plans for 0.7 inclusion in hardy?


[15:45] <cjohnston> mhall119: we discussed changing the meeting types and that it would require a migration
[15:45] <cjohnston> when running schemamigration it says no changes
[15:45] <cjohnston> thoughts?


[07:04] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> !test
[09:41] <EriC^^> good morning all
[19:59] <oerheks> interesting, when Ubuntu would have standard/minimal and these 'pro' options.. https://youtu.be/IQn9LGyAJJ8?t=167
[19:59] <oerheks> especially pipewire and such..
[20:02] <sarnold> on the one hand it seems a bit unlikely to me, a lot of ubuntu's history is having an opinion on which packages are best for most users
[20:03] <sarnold> on the other hand, there's already a handful of choices, eg encrypted disk, and the server installer makes it easy to get a handful of addons like lxd and microk8s and microstack etc installed..
[20:06] <oerheks> password managers, virtual stuff ..
[20:06] <oerheks> i must say, pretty neat
[20:06] <sarnold> yeah
[20:07] <oerheks> @11:50 ... wobbly windows?
[20:07] <oerheks> wowie... me want that
[20:12] <oerheks> overview cursors icons and themes, handy


[00:04] <rick_h> There next "you're holding it wrong"? https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2018/2/14/17012382/apple-homepod-white-ring-wooden-table-staining-issue-problem
[00:55] <cmaloney> I'm sure we're just being critical of Apple
[00:55] <cmaloney> That said, I'll be damned if I'm buying one of Apple's expensive speakers. :)
[01:02] <jrwren> i'd get one, but it only works with subscription services which I don't use.
[10:03] <Scary_Guy> I'd get one, but I'm insane https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/a3MzOb5_700b.jpg
[11:45] <cmaloney> Good morning
[12:18] <waldo323_> good morning
[14:39] <jrwren> Scary_Guy: that too!
[14:39] <jrwren> by modern standards, I'm a ludite. I have no interest in smart home toys.
[14:40] <cmaloney> jrwren: Same here
[14:41] <cmaloney> I don't want that sort of stuff heading to the cloud
[14:43] <rick_h> jrwren: you can't use your itunes library with it?
[14:44] <jrwren> rick_h: afaik, no, you cannot.  You CAN use your itunes MATCH library, if you subscribe to that.
[14:44] <rick_h> that sucks
[14:44] <jrwren> yup.
[14:44] <rick_h> I assumed all apple music stuff would play through it, like an airplay type thing
[14:46] <jrwren> yes, you can use airplay, but that means no voice control, clicking in itunes until you find what you want and dedicating an app on a separate devices to playback via airplay.
[14:47] <jrwren> wow, good discussion. This raises the question: can siri on a mac control itunes? could you get an old mac mini, load it up with a library and plug it into a nice stereo system to have poor mans voice control?
[14:47] <jrwren> For that matter, can cortana on windows do the same thing?
[14:47] <rick_h> it's what I do with chromecasts (w/o a mini/etc)
[14:48] <rick_h> hook them up to speakers around the house and play what I can cast where I want it
[14:49] <jrwren> with voice control?
[14:49] <jrwren> I do that with just bluetooth in a couple locations around the house, but its always annoying to change the speaker target.
[14:50] <jrwren> I'm thinking a tiny PC with full music library on it.
[14:50] <rick_h> yea, at least with my phone I can ask google assistant to do it
[14:50] <rick_h> "hey google, play imagine dragons in the office
[14:50] <jrwren> oh! that is nice!
[14:51] <cmaloney> That's cool
[14:51] <jrwren> i do not think that I can do that. Maybe siri could if i had any functioning airplay devices?
[14:51] <rick_h> maybe
[14:51] <jrwren> but, I've now thought about this enough that I'm annoyed and frustrated by the artificial vendor walls. Back to doing nothing about it.
[14:51] <rick_h> and then you can group them (but only the chromecast audio :( ) and so I've got one that's "house" so I can play across them all
[14:52] <rick_h> yea, it's always so annoying...every time I want to listen to my audible book on my speakers around the house...fail
[14:53] <cmaloney> Yeah, it's like we're re-creating broadcast silos yet again
[14:54] <jrwren> broadcast! great idea! build 1W FM transmitter. Use that. :)
[14:54] <cmaloney> Though I'd love to see how one of the assistants handles something like "Play Rollins"
[14:55] <cmaloney> "Rollins Band? Henry Rollins Spoken Word? Sonny Rollins?"
[14:55] <cmaloney> jrwren: 1000 W. I have a FCC license. :)
[14:55] <jrwren> There is only 1 song that matches Rollins in my library, lol.
[14:56] <jrwren> cmaloney: o_O  really?  what freq?
[14:56] <cmaloney> Or some of these Cryillic band names
[14:56] <rick_h> "sure, sunny rollins from google play music playing on office"
[14:56] <rick_h> cmaloney: ^ your answer lol
[14:56] <cmaloney> College radio back in the 1990s
[14:56] <cmaloney> rick_h: Naturally. :)
[14:57] <jrwren> yeah, something tells me no matter how many times I say three teeth, its not going to match 3teeth, and I'm not even sure how I'd get it to recognize Δamon
[14:57] <cmaloney> <3 3TEETH
[14:57] <jrwren> I bet it can't even "zandria" to Xandria
[14:58] <cmaloney> Play Einshturshend... play Einstur mumble New baaat... Play "Halber Mensch"
[14:58] <jrwren> I'd ask mac siri all of these things, but I have a great playlist playing I dont' want to interrupt :)
[14:58] <jrwren> cmaloney: hahahaha.
[14:59] <jrwren> eyensturzenday noybowten :)
[16:13] <jrwren> OMG, our conversation about byobu and tmux last week, i just realized that if I switch to straight tmux and make my own pretty status bar I can use 256 colors and italics. bump it up in the todo a few notches ;)
[16:20] <rick_h> hah
[16:23] <cmaloney> See?
[16:23] <cmaloney> I wonder if Dustin still uses Byobu TBH
[17:21] <Scary_Guy> @Cmaloney, if it saves search history or can build a profile of what you might want based on previous number of searches it might know.  Still if you searched for all of them maybe it would freak out
[17:23] <Scary_Guy> I love 3TEETH, see them at Small's constantly.  Last time they were in town they went there just to hang out.  I helped them out once with a video converter when they were in a bind and they never forgot that
[17:23] <cmaloney> All three are in my collection so it would probably freak out. :)
[17:23] <cmaloney> <3
[17:23] <Scary_Guy> and I can attest they are the NICEST people ever
[17:25] <Scary_Guy> https://mycroft.ai looks interesting too
[17:26] <Scary_Guy> someone also mentioned Imagine Dragons.  I saw that on Reddit and didn't look too closely.  Now I'll have to look closer so thanks for that
[17:26] <jrwren> Scary_Guy: 3teeth plays smalls constantly?  damn! i've missed out.
[17:29] <Scary_Guy> not really the same at all, but I have The Gothsicles playing City Club this Saturday
[17:30] <jrwren> zomg! hilarious
[17:30] <Scary_Guy> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs53c0q6kHg
[18:13] <hpucks> byobu++
[18:17] <Scary_Guy> that's a thing?  or do you just mean it's doublepluss good?
[18:27] <cmaloney> Christ, having an opinion about how cryptocurrency is a complete waste of time can really bring out the "well actually" in folks.
[18:31] <jrwren> cmaloney: i've lost friends.
[18:32] <brousch> cmaloney: Don't you want to get rich quick?
[18:32] <jrwren> ok, not really.
[18:32] <jrwren> i've ignored acquaintences.
[18:32] <brousch> Turn $10 of electricity into $3 of digital coins?
[18:33] <cmaloney> https://octodon.social/@craigmaloney/99530369408600196
[18:33] <cmaloney> That's what promped this
[18:35] <Scary_Guy> I think like most things a lucky few invested in it and actually did get rich quick.  many hype it up like some MLM scheme hoping to do the same.  and many more will lose out when the bubble bursts
[18:36] <Scary_Guy> as long as you recognize that it is volatile it's fine.  treat it like gambling, don't invest more than you're willing to lose
[18:36] <Scary_Guy> we had a pretty good discussion about the browser mining assholes in the 2600 IRC
[18:38] <Scary_Guy> one guy thinks it's less of a problem than it is.  it would be really nice if people would dedicate that computing power to something like BOINC (is that still a thing?  I kinda stopped because mine is 10 years old and useless)
[18:38] <Scary_Guy> neat, looks like it is
[18:38] <cmaloney> The thing that bugs me the most about it is having an opinion that it's a waste of time and resources is somehow not permitted
[18:39] <cmaloney> and worse, that folks find it profitable enough to do this shit on portable devices, laptops, etc is akin to someone arriving at my house with a backhoe and nibbling at my yard until they find something
[18:40] <Scary_Guy> I mean, I do like it because digital money not tied to the credit card companies or banks.  there are some adblockers that will automatically block those sites/that activity too
[18:41] <Scary_Guy> but as my friend in the other channel said the people wise enough to block that are the ones with computers powerful enough to actually do something
[18:41] <cmaloney> Yeah
[18:41] <cmaloney> I also don't want my parents to call me up complaining that their machine sounds like it's having a heart-attack
[18:41] <brousch> I made decent money on crypto in 2017
[18:41] <Scary_Guy> most technologically illiterate people don't have fast computers at all, and phones aren't anywhere near actual desktops yet
[18:41] <Scary_Guy> especially dedicated miners
[18:42] <brousch> You would need millions of phones mining to make anything
[18:43] <Scary_Guy> the gaming community is super pissed off because miners keep on buying up all the latest greatest graphics cards too in bulk for their mining rigs
[18:44] <cmaloney> brousch: I don't deny there's money to be made on it
[18:44] <Scary_Guy> this is also raising the prices of said cards too.  at least some companies have a buying limit
[18:44] <Scary_Guy> I do, so hopefully people will stop or slow down
[18:45] <cmaloney> it just has the same icky feeling that I got from hydroponics, vape stores, and cell-phone repair
[18:45] <cmaloney> in that there's legit uses but it's overrun with get-rich-quick dude-bros and douchebags
[18:45] <brousch> What's wrong with hydroponics?!
[18:45] <Scary_Guy> hell, do all the shady things.  diversification is smart after all :p
[18:46] <brousch> http://www.businessinsider.com/photos-of-aerofarms-the-worlds-largest-vertical-farm-in-newark-2016-2
[18:46] <cmaloney> brousch: When medical marijuana was a new thing in MI there were a glut of hydroponics stores
[18:46] <Scary_Guy> hydro is great, I love how marijuana is making people cash.  I hate stoner culture though
[18:46] <brousch> I think crypto is less legit than hydroponics
[18:46] <cmaloney> My bro-in-law did hydro but he did it to grow veggies
[18:47] <cmaloney> until a horde of wasps took up residence in his house. :)
[18:47] <Scary_Guy> ouch
[18:47] <brousch> I'm not sure it's more legit than gambling
[18:47] <Scary_Guy> everything is a gamble.  still I wish I got into Bitcoin back in 2009 when I found out about it
[18:47] <cmaloney> I have the same feelings about gambling, but that at least has govt. regulation to keep it in check
[18:48] <brousch> Right
[18:48] <cmaloney> one of the places I interviewed at had a really sweet espresso machine that they bought with crypto
[18:48] <Scary_Guy> regulation doesn't really help.  people still lose their houses, the gov just wants a cut
[18:48] <cmaloney> so I don't deny it has value
[18:48] <brousch> Heh, the govt is getting about 28% of my crypto gains
[18:48] <cmaloney> Scary_Guy: I mean regs as in having a modicum of fairness to it
[18:49] <Scary_Guy> if gambling was fair, there wouldn't be casinos :p
[18:49] <Scary_Guy> house always wins, always
[18:49] <cmaloney> Slot machines that have at least some level of fairness to them
[18:49] <cmaloney> Oh I know
[18:49] <Scary_Guy> and if it doesn't you're banned
[18:50] <jrwren> BEES!!!!!!!!
[18:50] <Scary_Guy> Oprah.gif
[18:50] <jrwren> https://medium.com/@jayrwren/more-wasps-5ebbd66aca
[18:51] <cmaloney> jrwren: Heh. :)
[18:51] <cmaloney> My aunt sayst hat she had bees
[18:51] <Scary_Guy> oh man, that douchebag cop photo is everywhere, best meme ever
[18:51] <cmaloney> as well, but they were yellow jackets as well
[18:52] <brousch> mining is annoying at home. Loud, hot, runs up the electric bill
[18:52] <brousch> Better to farm it out to millions of people's phones and browsers
[18:52] <Scary_Guy> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFJrcyBUMAE8eU0.jpg (bad language)
[18:53] <cmaloney> jrwren: Now that I know how to subscribe to medium feeds I've subscribed.
[18:54] <jrwren> cmaloney: :)