[00:09] <Speedy059x> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop and installed VNC - But when I log into the server all I get is a command prompt and a black/white background. Has anyone ever run into this?
[00:10] <ScottK> Speedy059x: Your on Hardy?
[00:10] <Speedy059x> jaunty
[00:10] <ScottK> OK.  Well for Jaunty, just use kubuntu-desktop.
[00:10] <Speedy059x> I did
[00:10] <Speedy059x> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[00:10] <Speedy059x> then I install vnc
[00:11] <Speedy059x> I tried installing kubuntu separate from KDE as well
[00:11] <Speedy059x> still the same strange results
[00:11] <ScottK> Note the difference between what I said to use and what you said you used.  I doubt it makes a difference, but it's a place to start.
[00:11] <Speedy059x> I think it's the same, but regardless I tried both when I installed kubuntu-desktop and kde separatel
[00:13] <ScottK> I've never tried VNC, so no idea if it works.
[00:14] <Speedy059x> first time as well...CentOS it's easy to install but i'm not to familiar with Ubuntu
[00:14] <Speedy059x> I thought Ubuntu was more GUI like that CentOS, thought it would be easier ;)
[00:14] <Speedy059x> than centos*
[00:15] <ScottK> Not servers.
[00:15] <ScottK> We do have ebox for GUI like server management, but no real GUI (by design).
[00:17] <Nafallo> !ebox
[00:17] <Nafallo> :-)
[00:33] <jaredster> ubottu
[00:33] <jaredster> i might try ebox
[00:33] <jaredster> is it easy to install?
[00:33] <jaredster> and can I install it over ssh?
[00:58] <jaredster> what do you think Nafallo
[00:58] <Nafallo> jaredster: I've never used ebox
[00:58] <jaredster> alright
[01:45] <fenix_br> the time to run the command smbldap-populate, shows the error "failed to add entry: objectClass: value #4 invalid per syntax at /usr/sbin/smbldap-populate line 499, <GEN1> line 87."
[01:46] <quizme> does anybody know why only one vhost would work ?  the 2nd, 3rd and vhost conf files are being ignored.
[01:50] <Speedy059x> When I install kubuntu-desktop with VNCServer....I login via vnc and all I see is command prompt terminal and all black/white and a big X for a cursor..any ideas?
[02:00] <fbc-mx> How can I limit my apache server resources?
[02:02] <fenix_br> please help me I could adois days trying to solve an error "failed to add entry: objectClass: value #4 invalid per syntax at /usr/sbin/smbldap-populate line 499, <GEN1> line 87." the time to run the command smbldap-populate
[02:03] <fbc-mx> My ubuntu server on weekends(heavy loads) ocasionally locks up. How can I limit the apache resources? Right now in my apache.conf I have 2 servers with 1000 connections. Should I try trimming it down to 500 connections?
[02:07] <mattt> fbc-mx: what's your MaxClients set to?
[02:08] <fbc-mx> mattt, can't tell right now cuz my machine won't respond to ssh in this state. I've already emailed the host provider to reboot my machine.
[02:08] <fbc-mx> mattt, waiting for it to come back on line.
[02:08] <mattt> fbc-mx: ok ... limit MaxClients, and if you're using MySQL limit max_connections
[02:09] <mattt> fbc-mx: setting these too high can cause problems like this
[02:09] <fbc-mx> ok, so I can control resources by controlling both of those parameters.. kewl... can't wait to start optimizing the server.
[02:10] <fbc-mx> mattt, I also have to see find out if joomla uses one DB connection per user or uses only one connection.
[02:10] <mattt> fbc-mx: for some stock standard mysql optimizations, have a look at http://mysqltuner.pl/mysqltuner.pl
[02:11] <mattt> fbc-mx: not sure, i guess that's if PHP is configured to permit persistent connections?
[02:11] <fenix_br> anyone has idea? about the error that I am having difficulty
[02:13] <fbc-mx> fenix_br,  your samba is configured to pull from an ldap database.. I'm not too familiar with that setup.. I usually do everything from within the smb.conf file.
[02:14] <fbc-mx> fenix_br, the few times I've had to do somethign like that I've used ebox... its free and easy to manage samba shares with an ldap database. It creates it all for you..
[02:15] <fbc-mx> fenix_br, sudo apt-get install ebox (in case your interested)
[02:16] <fbc-mx> fenix_br, has modular plugins for just about everything.
[02:17] <fbc-mx> mattt, thanks. this script looks awesome... I'm gonna give it a go when my server comes back up.
[02:18] <fenix_br> fbc-mx: I try very much for your help!
[02:19] <fbc-mx> fenix_br, no prob.
[02:20] <fenix_br> fbc-mx: tranks
[02:21] <fbc-mx> fenix_br, obrigado! (I think that means your welcome. Not sure hehe)
[02:38] <quizme> are all computers made in 2009 64 bit ?
[02:45] <fbc-mx> quizme, well most budget pc's and laptops aren't. No netbook class machines are either.
[03:27] <quentusrex> can someone give me a hand with openldap and tls certs?
[03:27] <quentusrex> I have generated my certs, and it fails.
[03:27] <quentusrex> I have generated testing certs, and it works
[03:27] <quentusrex> it seems to have the problem with the cacert
[04:13] <quentusrex> Does anyone know why openldap was compiled against gnutls rather than openssl???
[04:13] <quentusrex> gnutls can't read some of my openssl generated certs :(
[04:14] <ScottK> quentusrex: Usually it's for license reasons.
[04:14] <quentusrex> but openssl is already distributed.
[04:14] <quizme> fbc-mx k thanks
[04:15] <fbc-mx> quizme, np :-)
[04:15] <quentusrex> I have generated a 4096 CA key for signing all of my server keys, and gnutls can't handle it...
[04:15] <ScottK> The usual problem is that the openssl isn't GPL compatible so GPL software can't link against it without a special exception.
[04:15] <quentusrex> :(
[04:16] <ScottK> I don't know for sure if that's the case here, but that's the usual reason.
[04:16] <quentusrex> ok
[04:23] <quentusrex> ScottK any idea how to check to see if gnutls can handle the certs?
[04:24] <ScottK> Nope.  Sorry.  I'd guess review their documentation.
[04:42] <fbc-mx> mattt, still there?
[04:44] <fbc-mx> mattt, Here is the pastebin.. http://pastebin.ca/1492280
[05:39] <fbc-mx> anyone know of an apache tuning script?
[05:46] <robertr994> I'm running 8.04 64bit  on a AMD64 with 4 gigs ram  error log here http://www.kwtfstudio.com/1/error   Running apache , php5 and mysql.  locks up when Im not on the machine
[06:10] <fbc-mx> robertr994,  I have the same problem... it even stops responding to ssh?
[06:10] <robertr994> yep
[06:10] <fbc-mx> robertr994, got what you need.
[06:10] <robertr994> I may have stumbled on the issue,  hibernation
[06:11] <fbc-mx> robertr994, use this script to optimze youy mysql usage http://mysqltuner.pl/mysqltuner.pl
[06:11] <fbc-mx> robertr994, hib on a server??
[06:11] <fbc-mx> robertr994, my issue was that I had really heavy usage.. I mean like close to 1000 simultaneous users...
[06:12] <robertr994> my traffic isnt that high
[06:12] <fbc-mx> robertr994,  if you don't have than, then yes, your prob might be hibernation.
[06:12] <robertr994> has to do with the screensaver,  when I go back to the desktop
[06:13] <robertr994> drops at that time
[06:13] <fbc-mx> robertr994, your running a gui on your server??
[06:13] <robertr994> running a shoutcast server
[06:13] <robertr994> and website
[06:14] <robertr994> thats all
[06:14] <fbc-mx> robertr994,  shoutcast server should need a client connected to it full time...
[06:14] <robertr994> no special programs, I dont even browse the net
[06:14] <robertr994> its connected full time
[06:15] <robertr994> www.kwtfstudio.com:8010
[06:15] <fbc-mx> robertr994, you might want to do a ALT-CTL-F1 and login and type "sudo service gdm stop" see it the server dies after that. if it doesn't then it's an issue with your gui.
[06:17] <robertr994> ok I'll try that
[06:17] <fbc-mx> robertr994, as far as the gui is concerned. I guess you should go to preferences>>power managmenet and set everything to NEVER.
[06:18] <robertr994> I did that a few minutes ago
[06:18] <robertr994> Im new to linux,  been using windows servers for yrs
[06:19] <robertr994> got pissed at windows tuesday morning and installed 8.04
[06:19] <robertr994> love the way this machine runs on it
[06:20] <robertr994> ALT-CTL-F1  I'll try after this radio show is over
[06:20] <fbc-mx> robertr994, a rough way to disale hibernation could be to rename /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh to something else then "touch /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh"
[06:21] <fbc-mx> robertr994, to create an empty file. Definitely not an elegant way to do it though.
[06:21] <robertr994> ok
[06:21] <fbc-mx> robertr994, good luck!
[06:22] <robertr994> this runs great as long as Im on it  lol
[06:22] <fbc-mx> robertr994,  here's another more elegant way of doing it through the gconf editor http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=440225
[06:23] <fbc-mx> robertr994, you may not have to reboot with that last solution... just log out and log back in, but I would reboot anyways to remove all doubt.
[06:24] <robertr994> ok cool,  thanks
[06:26] <robertr994> have a great weekend
[06:26] <fbc-mx> robertr994, No prob.. How that helps you out. I know how stressing it can be to have a server acting up.
[06:27] <fbc-mx> OMG, I might have actually helped someone..
[06:28]  * fbc-mx pats himself on the back!
[06:28] <jon_high9000> I have a question regarding to ubuntu-server ubuntu 9.04.
[06:28] <fbc-mx> jon_high9000, OK hit me with it..
[06:30] <jon_high9000> fbx-mx: I installed the server portion tonight mainly to setup a mail server. i am a newbie. way i setup the desktop and server  they are on separate partitions.
[06:31] <fbc-mx> jon_high9000,  why would you do somethign like that for?
[06:33] <fbc-mx> jon_high9000, You can add a gui to the server version if you really wanted to. All you had to do once you had the server version installed was type "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" and it would have done it for you.
[06:33] <jon_high9000> fbc-mx: Purpose of the mail server is to retrieve mail from my gmail account using fetchmail dovecot and possibly postfix. main use is mainly for retrieval of email.
[06:34] <fbc-mx> jon_high9000, yes but you can't be running both versions at the same time.. you'd either have to boot up as a server or as a desktop version.. If you did that then the server would never be up for the desktop version to retrieve the email from it. Kinda defeating the assumed putpose.
[06:36] <jon_high9000> fbc-mx: i read somewhere you can use the sudo -s command and assign the same password using passwd
[06:37] <fbc-mx> jon_high9000, I'd back up any data and reinstall it just as a server.. and add the gui so that you can get around it.
[06:37] <jon_high9000> fbc-mx: this is to add the server to the desktop
[06:37] <jon_high9000> fbc-mx: ok
[06:38] <fbc-mx> jon_high9000, yes you can sync the password files from one partition to the other, I still don't get the functionality.
[06:38] <fbc-mx> If you want the best of both worlds as in a server with a gui.. just reinstall it as a server, then add the gui..
[06:39] <fbc-mx> jon_high9000, I mean, if you really get used to using the command-line like you really should to control and manage a server, you can remove the ubuntu-desktop package and run an autoremove, and I think it might clean the gui off the server for you.
[06:41] <jon_high9000> fbc-mx: as i said earlier, i`m a newbie. just starting out. getting my feet wet as it were.
[06:43] <jon_high9000> fbc-mx: been tinkering around trying to setup fetchmail to retrieve my email on gmail
[06:43] <fbc-mx> jon_high9000,  They make pretty good books on ubuntu. I was a linux newbie but only a year ago, then I read a bunch on linux and ubuntu books.
[06:44] <jon_high9000> fbc-mx that was on ubuntu-desktop however
[06:44] <fbc-mx> jon_high9000, why wouldn't you want to retrieve your email with say Thunderbird for example
[06:46] <fbc-mx> jon_high9000,  you could put your server in the DMZ of your router and setup DDNS and have gmail forward your mail to your ddns<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[06:46] <jon_high9000> i could. but i get a lot of email and i want to find a faster way to retrieve my mail. mainly so i don`t get cut off by gmail when downloading my email.
[06:48] <fbc-mx> jon_high9000, might save you alot of trouble and having to learn to configure dovecot, fetchmail at such an advanced level. You'd only need to learn how to create a mailbox and configure ddns and your router. Much easier that learing to configure mail and mail packages, that's for sure.
[06:48] <jon_high9000> fbc-mx: i have a wireless router. wireless part (non-functional)
[06:48] <jon_high9000> with ubuntu i mean
[06:49] <fbc-mx> jon_high9000, nothing wrong with that. As long as your internet provider assigns a public ip to your router you can pass it along to your machine and program it to act as a full fledged mail server.
[06:52] <fbc-mx> jon_high9000,  almost 1am here in Mexico City. A little past my bed time. I hope someone else in the channel can pick up where I left off.  Good luck.
[06:52] <jon_high9000> no prob. thanks for your hlep
[06:52] <jon_high9000> hlep
[06:53] <jon_high9000> help
[07:13] <Byron> !monit
[07:13] <Byron> Can someone help me with the configuration of monit. I want to make sure that I will receive the alerts if something should happen on the server.
[07:14] <Byron> I've followed the directions and I disabled SSH. Within 2 minutes, monit had restarted ssh. I just want to be sure I'll get the notifications.
[07:51] <Byron> !mail
[08:42] <achew22> I've set up KVM on a ubuntu 8.10 server and on connecting to it with my laptop (ubuntu 9.04) it won't let me do paraviartulization (sp?) or let me install from a network source. I don't mind not having paravirt but I would like to be able to install by pulling iso's over the internet. Does anyone have any idea how to enable that?
[15:09] <_ruben> hmm .. got a really strange issue with encrypted homedir on my server .. if im not logged in, i cant log in using my key (cant find it apparently) .. when im logged in, and my home is mounted, it does find my key
[15:11] <Pirate_Hunter> can someone help me identify the problem, i just followed this tutorial on setting up bind9 but it wont startup, http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu8.04-lts-p4, under heading DNS server?
[15:11] <_ruben> what do the logs say?
[15:13] <Pirate_Hunter> where would i find the log
[15:14] <_ruben> in /var/log .. most likely /var/log/daemon.log
[15:14] <Pirate_Hunter> _ruben,  its is syslog goign to put it in pastbin
[15:16] <Pirate_Hunter> http://paste.ubuntu.com/216255/
[15:16] <Pirate_Hunter> its all absed on that tut yet why it doesnt work i dont know
[15:16] <Pirate_Hunter> based*
[15:17] <Pirate_Hunter> any ideas?
[15:24] <Pirate_Hunter> anyone here care to help me with my problem
[15:26] <TeLLuS> Pirate_Hunter: Fix owner or chmod. named[6110]: none:0: open: /etc/bind/named.conf: permission denied
[15:28] <Pirate_Hunter> TeLLuS, thanx for the reply what would the ownership be i.e. chomd bind9 6610 (as it is how i named)
[15:36] <Pirate_Hunter> TeLLuS, sorry i dont get how to go about changing/fixing the ownership through cli, how would i go about doing so
[15:36] <Pirate_Hunter> what ownership does it need
[15:38] <mobi-sheep> If it's in /etc/  It should be owned by root.  My guess.
[15:40] <mobi-sheep> Pirate_Hunter: What does "sudo ls -l /etc/bind/named.conf" say?
[15:41] <Pirate_Hunter> -rw-r--r-- 1 bind bind 907 2009-01-08 01:28 /etc/bind/named.conf
[15:42] <Pirate_Hunter> mobi-sheep, -rw-r--r-- 1 bind bind 907 2009-01-08 01:28 /etc/bind/named.conf
[15:44] <mobi-sheep> Pirate_Hunter: Try "sudo chown root:root /etc/bind/named.conf"  (I never messed around with server stuffs before).
[15:46] <Pirate_Hunter> not sure but based on this tutorial, http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu8.04-lts-p4, i think bind9 isnt supposed to run as root but unprivildge to the user running it, if thats the case would i just choose the users i want it to run as because root would be automatic. grrr this was supposed to make setting a server easy
[15:46] <mobi-sheep> Pirate_Hunter: sudo ls -l /etc/bind/* --> Bunch of files owned by bind bind?
[15:48] <Pirate_Hunter> yeah they are are all owned by bind:bind maybe i should create that group and add myself in it that could work
[15:49] <Pirate_Hunter> mobi-sheep, i just followed the tut the way they wrote it didnt think bind:bind an actual group that they might have will try making it
[15:49] <mobi-sheep> "groups" will display the groups you're in.
[15:51] <mobi-sheep> Just because the site have "how to" in the name does not necessarily mean they know how to.
[15:51] <mobi-sheep> :o
[15:55] <Pirate_Hunter> mobi-sheep, yah but i wouldve expect that they would mention something i have just added root and my user to that bind group which already existed will see how things go now
[15:55] <Pirate_Hunter> grrrrr this was supposed to be an easy to follow tut
[15:57] <mobi-sheep> Gonna avoid HowToForge now? :)
[15:59] <mobi-sheep> Well.  Good luck either way.
[15:59] <Pirate_Hunter> mobi-sheep, hahahaha yeah for sure, i would advise it, still it wont start im in that group yet permission is still denied hmmmm
[16:00] <mobi-sheep> Pirate_Hunter: Try root.
[16:00] <mobi-sheep> You can change back to bind:bind later.
[16:00] <Pirate_Hunter> mobi-sheep, yah will do so will mess with this might break it even more grrrr
[16:00] <mobi-sheep> The nice people here probably are giggling at the moment.
[16:03] <Pirate_Hunter> yah most likely except why the **** is /etc/bind freaking root:root when it is a symlink I dont get how things like that can happen
[16:12] <Pirate_Hunter> mobi-sheep, done well that was a new experience, not one much enjoyed no wonder most stay with the desktop
[16:12] <mobi-sheep> What did you do to resolve it?
[16:12] <mobi-sheep> Pirate_Hunter: Servers -- Not something that everybody would need.  Home server is a nice bonus though.
[16:14] <Pirate_Hunter> mobi-sheep, the permission is now correct just need to find out why it isn't working i bet if i was using desktop this woulve been quick still will pay-off in the end, I hope 0.o'
[16:14] <mobi-sheep> Pirate_Hunter: Desktop == No GUI.  And you increase your l33t points.
[16:15] <mobi-sheep> Pirate_Hunter: I used XBMC on my home server though.  Ridiculously awesome.
[16:16] <Pirate_Hunter> mobi-sheep, at this point forget the l33t points just want to get it working :/ and XBMC?
[16:16] <mobi-sheep> I'll get you a  clip.
[16:16] <Pirate_Hunter> ok
[16:16] <Pirate_Hunter> ill still be here for a while
[16:19] <mobi-sheep> Pirate_Hunter:  Site --> http://xbmc.org/   Video --> http://tinyurl.com/nj88vo.  I built it from minimal disc.   Not using it on Desktop (Although you can).  Hooked up to 46" TV + Sound via HDMI.
[16:20] <Pirate_Hunter> well break time i guess will check it out now
[16:20] <Pirate_Hunter> mobi-sheep, vedo dont work
[16:20] <mobi-sheep> Pirate_Hunter: Flash?
[16:22] <mobi-sheep> Pirate_Hunter: Well.  Gotta go.  Shower.
[16:23] <Pirate_Hunter> kk
[16:56] <Pirate_Hunter> mobi-sheep, yeah got it working apparmor was the cause of it not me and my server newbness just plain dumb apparmor
[17:07] <mobi-sheep> !info apparmor
[17:08] <mobi-sheep> Pirate_Hunter: Ahh I see.
[17:08] <mobi-sheep> Pirate_Hunter: "AppArmor proactively protects the system from security threats, both internal and external. It enforce the applications to only be able to access resources aimed to be accessed by the application. In this way the system is protected to both known and unknown threats.
[17:08] <mobi-sheep> For each application we want to protect or increase the security around, a security profile is created. The profile describes what files or devices the application is allowed to read, write and/or execute.'
[17:09] <mobi-sheep> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppArmor
[17:09] <mobi-sheep> Interesting!
[17:09] <Pirate_Hunter> mobi-sheep, yeah but its a pain in the neck when it makes things not work that should work, however, i do understand how useful it might be
[18:34] <KillMeNow[A]> i've never gotten apparmor to work properly
[18:34]  * KillMeNow is no longer away : Gone for 1 day 18 hours 37 minutes 49 seconds
[20:21] <howie> when i log into my server it gives me load avg and # of system process and #users ect.. is there a cmd to show that at will?
[20:24] <J_5> howie: try the command top
[20:25] <howie> that works but its there a way to get just whats at the top not all the pid users
[20:27] <howie> looking for just this :System load: 0.0                Memory usage: 12%   Processes:       129 Usage of /:  0.7% of 219.58GB   Swap usage:   0%    Users logged in: 1
[20:30] <J_5> I think you can with top, not sure of the command tho
[20:31] <howie> ok cool i just man it
[20:31] <J_5> try man top. That give you the information on top and what you can do with it
[20:31] <J_5> :)
[20:31] <J_5> or, it slow now. Maybe someone will come along and tell us in a while
[20:32] <J_5> it's *
[20:32] <howie> ya
[22:01] <billybigrigger_> can someone give me a another option for apache log analysis
[22:01] <billybigrigger_> im using webalizer and awstats
[22:02] <billybigrigger_> both just don't seem to want to keep my stats combined
[22:02] <billybigrigger_> i've had this server for almost a month now and webalizer only keeps logs for a few days
[22:02] <billybigrigger_> and awstats is now skipping weeks of logs
[22:10] <Pirate_Hunter> whats the the package called for compiling stuff in ubuntu
[22:10] <Pirate_Hunter> oops
[22:13] <KillMeNow> If i recall, there is a new opensource project called "OpenXchange" that does web analytics
[22:13] <KillMeNow> otherwise use google analytics
[23:47] <gletob> I can't get the Ubuntu server cd to boot
[23:48] <gletob> I see the message where it looks for the boot record on CDROM but it says not found
[23:49] <KillMeNow> gletob:  either you got a coaster for a CD rom, or the cd rom you have in the server doesn't like burned CD's cause it's old
[23:50] <gletob> KillMeNow, It let me boot from a burned XP cd
[23:51] <gletob> KillMeNow, and the SHA1SUM matches on the ISO
[23:52] <gletob> ?
[23:53] <KillMeNow> gletob:  Try burning another one from the ISO you downloaded, but in my experience either the CD you have now is a coaster or the CDRom doesn't like the one you have
[23:53] <gletob> KillMeNow, Ok after 20 times turning the PC on and off it's booting from the cd
[23:53] <KillMeNow> woot!
[23:53] <KillMeNow> strange, but woot
[23:53]  * KillMeNow[A] is now away - Reason : Gone away for a while
[23:53] <gletob> It's an old crotchety computer.
[23:54] <gletob> AMD K6 333 Mhz
[23:54] <gletob> ATI 3D RAGE IIc with 4mb SDRAM
[23:54] <gletob> 160 MB of DDR? I guess
[23:55] <gletob> had windows 98
[23:55] <gletob> so far so good
[23:55] <gletob> I have a choose language screen!
[23:57] <billybigrigger_> 9.04 server?


[07:10] <dholbach> good morning
[13:25] <nigelb> dholbach: so, me and persia made a call on whether to keep team subscribed or not.  We've decided to keep the team subscribed always so as to keep patch review as an activity
[13:26] <nigelb> Also, a few other reasons, but most compelling was that.
[13:26] <nigelb> Now, how do I announce the thing? send a mail to the mailing list or just update documentation (well, its already updated)
[13:52] <dholbach> update documentation and update the blueprint that it's sorted out
[13:52] <dholbach> as part of the generall outreach we'll let people know
[13:53]  * dholbach takes the dog for a walk
[15:31] <bdmurray> I don't understand why the team should continue to be subscribed one the required work is done.
[15:32] <nigelb> bdmurray: define work is done
[15:32] <bdmurray> the patch was reviewed
[15:33] <nigelb> actually originally, I wanted the team unsub'd because I didn't know LP was smart enough to do negation on tags
[15:33] <nigelb> but the complication is patch reviewed would mean a lot of things
[15:34] <bdmurray> but what other active work is required of the team for these bugs
[15:34] <nigelb> the team being subscribed helps with numbers
[15:35] <nigelb> Hold on, I had 2 reasons which I gave persia, let me dig that up
[15:36] <nigelb> (a) gives an option for folks to opt out per bug
[15:36] <nigelb> (b) someones we have 2 tasks on linux bug and we get sub'd which I manually remove, if we have no unsub option, it would be very difficult to remove those bugs off the work queue
[15:37] <nigelb> bdmurray: ^
[15:37] <nigelb> thoughts?
[15:42] <bdmurray> While it is possible to search for bugs w/o a tag that is not a default search in Launchpad at all
[15:42] <bdmurray> so if you go to the reviewers team page you'd have to craft a special query to figure out the ones you are really interested
[15:42] <bdmurray> and if more tags to exclude are created your query will be wrong
[15:42] <nigelb> well, the query is already in the workflow
[15:43] <nigelb> and we can update the query if needbe
[15:47] <bdmurray> the query is in the workflow in the wiki?
[15:47] <nigelb> yep
[15:47] <bdmurray> having specially crafted queries or cases makes it that much harder for people to participate
[15:47] <nigelb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReviewersTeam/ReviewGuide#Workflow
[15:48] <bdmurray> I really strongly believe that participation should be as easy as possible
[15:48] <nigelb> This isn't that tough, this is easier in fact
[15:48] <nigelb> lol, the best part.... a few months back we both had the same discussion
[15:49] <nigelb> only this time its reversed.  I wanted to unsub then and you wanted to keep the team subscribed
[16:05] <bdmurray> I don't think a starting point of https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-reviewers/+subscribedbugs is easier than
[16:05] <bdmurray> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-reviewers&field.tag=patch%20-patch-needswork%20-patch-forwarded-upstream%20-patch-forwarded-debian%20-patch-accepted-upstream%20-patch-accepted-debian%20-patch-rejected-upstream%20-patch-rejected-debian%20-patch-rejected&field.tags_combinator=ALL
[16:06] <nigelb> so you're saying we should use the long query?
[16:06]  * nigelb is confused
[16:07] <hyperair> tinyurl ftw
[16:09] <bdmurray> no, we should not use the long query and the team should be unsubscribed after any "reviewed" tags are added to the bug report
[16:09] <bdmurray> that way somebody could go to bug.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-reviewers and click on subscribed bugs and have what they need
[16:10] <bdmurray> not have to go to the wiki page every time to make sure their bug query is right
[16:14] <nigelb> I have only 2 words, deja vu
[16:14] <nigelb> Now, the itch I have with unsubscription is this
[16:15] <nigelb> I'd like reviewing patches be promoted as an activity.  A daily target of 15 bugs to be reviwed gets us a long way generally
[16:15] <nigelb> so, I'd like to be able to ask 5 random folks to help with 3 bugs and show them the workflow
[16:16] <nigelb> now we have the unsubcription thing, we'd have a little bit of issue because someone in the team has to unsubscribe
[16:16] <nigelb> not doing that at all and using lp queries help us ease that requirement to participate in the activity
[16:19] <bdmurray> just as there is a script to subscribe the team there could be one that unsubscribes the team
[16:19] <nigelb> ok, in that case I dont mind
[16:20] <nigelb> btw, looking at bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-reviewers would show all tasks, easier way is to do the uery
[16:21] <nigelb> bdmurray: is there a way to give me *all* the action on bugs which we are subscribed?
[16:22] <nigelb> i mean mails for all the action
[16:22] <bdmurray> I don't think so but would need to look into it.
[16:23] <nigelb> it would be nice to know who's doing what
[16:24] <bdmurray> the only easy way to do that would be to allow all e-mail from launchpad to the mailing list which might fill some inboxes
[16:24] <nigelb> ouch
[16:25] <nigelb> is there a chance of being able to create a collect maling list into which we can collect this and then evaluate the data later like with bugsquad?
[16:26] <bdmurray> That'd require some more research
[16:27] <nigelb> in that case, just ignore me.  I was being too hopeful.
[16:27] <bdmurray> there are only 13 subscribers so maybe they'd be cool with it or able to filter it easily
[16:28] <nigelb> no, the thing is either send all the mails or no mails from bugs.  right now a lot of people dont subscribe to the list
[16:29] <nigelb> and I'd really like to have a place to send communication
[16:54] <nigelb> bdmurray: Monday is the opening for cleansweep
[16:54] <nigelb> I was thinking if you can subscribe the reviewers to all the bugs without the date criteria but not add patch tag
[16:55] <nigelb> then we can just keep dropping it into buckets
[16:55] <nigelb> and then unsubscribe the team
[16:56] <bdmurray> wouldn't that fill up bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-reviewers ?
[16:57] <nigelb> oh grr, I thought of that when were planning to work with the queries
[16:57] <nigelb> in that case, nothing would show up in the query
[16:57] <nigelb> and we'd be working on the subscribed bugs one by one
[16:58] <nigelb> now things are getting complicated
[16:59] <nigelb> bdmurray: now I'm totaly confused on the subscribe team vs unsubscribe team :/
[17:01] <nigelb> can you give me a day to think and write you a mail about my conclusions?
[18:40] <effie_jayx> is there a way to find out why a patch won't apply..? I am getting an error like
[18:40] <effie_jayx> make: *** [debian/stamp-patched] Error 1
[18:40] <effie_jayx> Is there a way to see a verbose output
[21:38] <persia> effie_jayx: I often just try applying the patch myself manually.  The other option is to start a local build (debuild -b) and then see if the output is lying around as a result.
[21:44] <effie_jayx> persia: thanks I found the issue by trying to apply it manually
[21:44] <effie_jayx> fixed, not the change is trivial
[21:46] <effie_jayx> persia: the patch is cdbs and it is not needed, so I deactivated the patch. but I wonder if the source was patched already
[21:46] <effie_jayx> or if that is never the case
[21:46] <effie_jayx> sorry If I don't make much sense
[21:47] <persia> I'd need more context to be certain, but I believe the best practice is to try to look at the relevant code where you applied the patch, and compare agaisnt the version where the patch author applied the patch.
[21:48] <effie_jayx> the patch was not needed since upstream code had the changes
[21:48] <effie_jayx> therefore when I tried to apply I couldn't. upstream had taken the changes
[21:49] <effie_jayx> package is ontv, the patch is a small fix for python hashtags that are hardcoded to python 2.5
[21:50] <effie_jayx> pacakge FTBFS and I think I found a way to make it work
[21:50] <effie_jayx> now I think I could send the patch to debian and wait for a sync don't you think?
[21:51] <effie_jayx> it is a tiny bit
[21:53] <persia> If the patch is already upstream, no need to send the patch to Debian: if you want to be helpful to Debian, just file a bug on the Debian package with a note that it's fixed upstreeam and a pointer to the upstream commit.
[21:55] <effie_jayx> persia: and with ubuntu what do I do? request for a merge or wait till debian fixes and sync?
[21:57] <persia> Depends on how much you want to do: that the bug is fixed is a good thing :)  If you want it definitely fixed in Ubuntu, you might wait, or you might pull the upstream patch and apply.  Given that it's before DIF, it makes more sense to wait to me.
[21:58] <persia> After DIF, applying patches is more useful.
[22:00] <effie_jayx> persia: thanks :)
[22:30] <effie_jayx> persia: I checked debians source package and it seems fine there, they do need the patch, by checking http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/ontv/ontv_3.0.0-4.dsc
[22:30] <effie_jayx> now Iam confused
[22:30] <persia> Which part is confusing?
[22:30] <effie_jayx> I pullt the source via grab-merge, to see if the merge was still needed.
[22:30] <effie_jayx> ontv
[22:31] <effie_jayx> I no issues in the report
[22:31] <effie_jayx> I double checked with changelogs and chekcing the source
[22:31] <effie_jayx> and it seems fine
[22:31] <effie_jayx> I tried building the dsc and got FTBFS
[22:32] <effie_jayx> the only patch there fails to apply during build because it is not needed in the source code (Which I did not touch)
[22:33] <effie_jayx> I deactivate the patch and all builds in ubuntu, but checking the source package from debian. they do need the patch to fix the reference to python 2.5
[22:35] <effie_jayx> and this is confusing becasue I thought the source code dir stayed untouched
[22:37] <effie_jayx> persia: does that make sense?
[22:37] <persia> There may be some irregularities in how the patching is done.
[22:37] <persia> You might want to run lsdiff against the diff.gz
[22:38] <persia> Beyond that, I'd have to pull the package and dig, and I don't have a good environment for that right now (but ought have one in a couple hours)
[22:39] <effie_jayx> persia: lsdiff shows nothing
[22:39] <effie_jayx> lsdiff ontv_3.0.0-3ubuntu2.diff.gz
[22:39] <effie_jayx> well I guess I will check back on this later
[22:40] <effie_jayx> the way it is it FTBFS and I have commented on mom
[22:40] <effie_jayx> but you cleared me from my confusion
[22:41] <effie_jayx> source stays untouched
[23:25] <persia> lsdiff -z is needed for .gz files.


[07:36] <Cimi> is this channel quiet or am I disconnected?
[07:37] <MacSlow> Cimi, just quiet
[07:37] <Cimi> MacSlow, ciao Mirco!
[07:37] <MacSlow> morning Cimi
[08:02] <Saviq> dednick, hey, need an opinion... Plugin.cmake, I want to use those macros for mocks, too
[08:03] <Saviq> dednick, so I need to be able to override destination, and for qmlfiles a NO_INSTALL option
[08:03] <dednick> Saviq: hm. they may need some mods to put files into correct folders.
[08:04] <Saviq> dednick, but then I'd need to pass absolute destination anyway, so plugin_subpath loses sense
[08:04] <Saviq> and what's worse we have different destinations for shadow and installation, so suddenly I need two separate paths
[08:06] <Saviq> dednick, another option would be global qmlplugin_DEFAULT_PREFIX that, if set, would be used (unless overridden in the call itself)
[08:06] <dednick> Saviq: hm. might be best if you make export_mock_qmlplugin ?
[08:06] <Saviq> dednick, don't want completely separate macros, rather wrappers around a generic one
[08:07] <Saviq> dednick, but then you can't override... but maybe that's fine, if you want to override, you just use the "top level" one
[08:08] <Saviq> ok yeah, I think I'll go for that
[08:08] <Saviq> dednick, thanks for being a sounding board :)
[08:09] <Saviq> FYI guys, I was working until 3am last night, so will be taking some of that time back today, might be available intermittently
[08:09] <dednick> Saviq: hm. as far as I can tell. You should only need to adjust the path from ${CMAKE_BINARY_DIR}/plugins > ${CMAKE_BINARY_DIR}/test/mocks . and the NO_INSTALL
[08:09] <dednick> Saviq: although, aren't some mocks installed?
[08:09] <Saviq> dednick, some are, yes
[08:10] <Saviq> dednick, but the other path I need to adjust is ${SHELL_INSTALL_QML}
[08:10] <Saviq> dednick, for those that are installed
[08:18] <Saviq> biab
[08:34] <tsdgeos> dednick_: yes we can
[08:34] <tsdgeos> dednick_: it's a 5.2 feature
[08:34] <tsdgeos> so we couldn't until then
[08:34] <tsdgeos> s/then/recently when we started requiring 5.2
[08:34] <tsdgeos> well we don't do that *yet*
[08:35] <tsdgeos> so base your branch on https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/killqt51/+merge/217391
[08:42] <didrocks> Saviq: hey! I was wondering if you got any info on the crash on stop and working on it?
[08:56] <Cimi> tsdgeos, didn't we have out layouts?
[08:56] <tsdgeos> Cimi: ?
[08:56] <tsdgeos> out -> own?
[08:56] <Cimi> own
[08:56] <Cimi> yes
[08:57] <Cimi> our
[08:57] <tsdgeos> Cimi: we have some own layouts for the Dash yes
[08:57] <Cimi> r is close to t
[08:57] <Cimi> I thought from sdk
[08:57] <Cimi> I remember tim working on something
[08:57] <tsdgeos> ah no idea :D
[08:57] <Cimi> better use qt imho though
[08:57] <Cimi> they probably have more guys than us :)
[08:58] <tsdgeos> Cimi: do you remember at some point the PreviewZoomableImage was center aligned and then we brought it back to left aligned?
[08:58] <tsdgeos> you remember why?
[08:58] <tsdgeos> it's a change that https://code.launchpad.net/~paulliu/unity8/zoomImage/+merge/207941 also introduces back
[08:58] <mhr3> tsdgeos, the fitting was buggy then
[08:58] <tsdgeos> mhr3: do you remember when?
[08:59] <tsdgeos> seems to work fine-ish here with https://code.launchpad.net/~paulliu/unity8/zoomImage/+merge/207941
[08:59] <mhr3> tsdgeos, is was with some specific images
[08:59] <mhr3> stuff from amazon iirc
[08:59] <Cimi> nope
[09:00] <tsdgeos> ok, let's wait for Saviq to come back from the death and see if he remembers
[09:00] <tsdgeos> mhr3: not ignoring your opinion, eh!
[09:00] <mhr3> yeah, right
[09:01] <tsdgeos> just i can't make it fail with amazon right now
[09:01] <Cimi> tsdgeos, activeFocus is a qt property?
[09:02] <tsdgeos> maybe he remmbers something mrore
[09:02] <tsdgeos> Cimi: it is
[09:11] <Cimi> Saviq, mhr3 I think I found issue and fix for the review
[09:12] <Cimi> nope
[09:13] <mhr3> oh?
[09:13] <mhr3> ooohhhh.. :(
[09:18] <Cimi> tsdgeos, when you want a new challenge, I have sth for you
[09:18] <tsdgeos> Cimi: i'm still busy writing my code that writes qml code :D
[09:42] <dednick> _sbin_init.1000.crash    - err, not ideal
[09:47] <Cimi> tsdgeos, how do I know which component is stealing my event?
[09:47] <tsdgeos> dednick: :D
[09:47] <tsdgeos> Cimi: press?
[09:47] <Cimi> tsdgeos, yep
[09:48] <Cimi> tsdgeos, basically with ratinginput enabled in our previews
[09:48] <Cimi> tsdgeos, if you scroll the preview
[09:48] <Cimi> tsdgeos, and tap on the TextArea
[09:48] <tsdgeos> is it enabled?
[09:48] <Cimi> tsdgeos, the mouseArea of the textArea does not get events
[09:49] <Cimi> guess so
[09:49] <Cimi> I am forcing it to true now
[09:49] <Cimi> tsdgeos, enabled and no events
[09:50] <Cimi> tsdgeos, like something else is stealing
[09:50] <tsdgeos> ok
[09:51] <Cimi> tsdgeos, so would like to know who is stealing
[09:51] <tsdgeos> don't know, start adding mouseareas all over
[09:51] <tsdgeos> see which get it and which not
[09:56] <Cimi> tsdgeos, if I add mousearea on top of the textarea it gets events
[09:57] <Cimi> well, still trying
[09:57] <Cimi> let's see
[10:04] <Cimi> mhr3, ok got it
[10:04] <Cimi> how to fix, dunno yet
[10:05] <Cimi> tsdgeos, textArea has a flickable
[10:05] <tsdgeos> it's the flickable war!
[10:05] <Cimi> tsdgeos, inside the flickable there's a textedit
[10:06] <Cimi> tsdgeos, inside this mousearea
[10:06] <tsdgeos> Cimi: try disable the outer flickable
[10:07] <tsdgeos> or something
[10:07] <tsdgeos> we've had that before
[10:07] <tsdgeos> look for some todo or fixme in other preview stuff
[10:07] <tsdgeos> there's comments about it
[10:12] <Cimi> tsdgeos, ok
[10:12] <Cimi> tsdgeos, kinda works
[10:12] <Cimi> mhr3, found reason
[10:12] <mhr3> Cimi, yey!
[10:12] <Cimi> mhr3, SDK bug
[10:26] <mhr3> xnox, awful bug in dbus' upstart script - it writes the dbus-address into $HOME, and if there's no space on the home partition it makes the boot fail
[10:34] <xnox> mhr3: good point. imho i never wanted it to write anything into $HOME, yet somebody insisted on that, whilst we were debugging environment issues.
[10:34] <xnox> mhr3: i can upload to drop that.
[10:34] <xnox> or well at least not fail.
[10:35] <Cimi> mhr3, fixed https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/landing-009/
[10:35] <seb128> xnox, mhr3: wasn't that for adb shell to parse or something? the write shouldn't be an issue, not handling it failing is the bug
[10:37] <mhr3> i do not know what was the reasoning, but it can basically brick your phone, so needs to be fixed
[10:38] <mhr3> think full home partition should be something QA should be looking into testing
[10:38] <mhr3> davmor2, ^?
[10:39] <xnox> mhr3: i'm not sure that even with gnome2 desktop or unity (any) i could login with a full home partition.
[10:40] <mhr3> xnox, well but at least you don't need to be doing emergency calls on gnome2 desktop
[10:42] <Cimi> seb128, we really need a way to detect if there is active connection on the phone
[10:42] <xnox> mhr3: very very true!!
[10:42] <seb128> Cimi, wasn't thostr's team working on a connectivity api for that?
[10:42] <Cimi> seb128, on my nexus, I get wifi signal connected but is a lie
[10:42] <Cimi> I have no idea
[10:43] <Cimi> seb128, also, unity8 dash without connectivity is a laugh
[10:43] <davmor2> mhr3: hahahahahahaha yeah I'm gonna brick my only phone for fun ;)  This is not something on our schedule but I'm assuming this is something that would have to be run manually if it bricks the phone as there is no physically way to retrieve it from the datacenter  but it's not something we are ever going to run daily
[10:43] <Cimi> seb128, we need at least to show something and tell you're disconnected, that's why all is blank
[10:43] <Cimi> seb128, pinging you because I know you care about those issues :)
[10:44] <davmor2> Cimi: known issue routing is screwed, disconnect and reconnect
[10:44] <mhr3> davmor2, well, it's not real brick, you can still connect to the phone, it should be just checking that it actually starts up
[10:44] <Cimi> dednick, this would be nice https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/ubuntu-settings-components/access-point-init/+merge/212913
[10:44] <mhr3> davmor2, people will be escalating this
[10:45] <Cimi> seb128, you know what happened to this branch https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/ubuntu-settings-components/access-point-init/+merge/212913
[10:45] <Cimi> approved since ages
[10:45] <Cimi> not getting jenkins
[10:45] <seb128> no, maybe ubuntu-settings-component is not set up for ci
[10:45] <Cimi> seb128, so I merge manually?
[10:45] <seb128> something to ask the #ubuntu-ci-eng channel or maybe fginther
[10:45] <seb128> no
[10:46] <seb128> we should ask CI to enable it
[10:46] <dednick> seb128: hm. it was. but doesnt seem to be anymore
[10:46] <dednick> I'll chase it up
[10:46] <davmor2> mhr3: what people?  Or are you asking if we'll be escalating it?
[10:46] <seb128> dednick, Cimi: in fact jenkins ran?
[10:46] <seb128> the first comment
[10:46] <seb128> dednick, Cimi: there is not automerging anymore, things need to go through CI train with a lander
[10:47] <Cimi> seb128, I know nothing about this ci train
[10:47] <dednick> seb128: it ran ages ago, but the job doesnt seem to exist anymore
[10:47] <Cimi> seb128, where can I read about it?
[10:47] <seb128> Cimi, no idea, I don't think it's well documented
[10:47] <seb128> but that's how all our landing are happening for some months
[10:48] <Cimi> I know
[10:48] <Cimi> but always had a big question mark :)
[10:48] <seb128> Cimi, https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au6idq7TkpUUdC05a2ZQSmgwU2NFYnJQOE9qMDRYa3c&usp=drive_web#gid=1
[10:48] <seb128> that lists Saviq as the ubuntu-settings-components owner/lander
[10:48] <xnox> mhr3: davmor2: well for this particular issue, one doesn't need to do anything drastic -> e.g. add /etc/init/foo.conf job that does chmod -w =)))
[10:50] <mhr3> xnox, davmor2, yea i don't think it's hard to test, but definitely something that should be tested regularly
[10:50] <Cimi> seb128, so what is ci train:?
[10:51] <Cimi> and why
[10:51] <dednick> Cimi: i think the "train" is a metaphorical one :)
[10:51] <Cimi> at first seems not efficient
[10:52] <seb128> Cimi, it's the workflow we use for landings
[10:52] <Cimi> seb128, what was wrong with the automatic merge by jenkins?
[10:52] <dednick> seb128: do we need to tick something somewhere to mark MPs to land?
[10:52] <xnox> Cimi: it's like auto-landing, without the "auto" =)
[10:53] <dednick> seb128: "we" as in the landing king (Saviq in this case)
[10:55] <davmor2> mhr3: it won't be run regularly unless it can be automated.  We only have so many hours in a day.  xnox making home -w isn't the same as having it mostly or completely full so might not give the results you expect
[10:56] <seb128> Cimi, try asking asac about the why
[10:57] <seb128> Cimi, basically to make sure things are tested on the image before being merged
[10:57] <mhr3> davmor2, everything can be automated :)
[10:58] <Cimi> seb128, but jenkins was doing this
[10:58] <Cimi> seb128, as well as the reviewer
[10:58] <Cimi> seb128, so when you were approving things, they were tested
[10:58] <seb128> Cimi, well, you are months late and I'm the wrong person to ask anyway
[10:58] <Cimi> I have been doing this for years
[10:58] <seb128> Cimi, well, the new workflow gives you a ppa to test
[10:59] <seb128> so you don't have to do manual builds
[10:59] <Cimi> so I can stop testing, the landing king will do this for me?
[10:59] <seb128> and you can easily install e.g on your phone
[10:59] <seb128> no
[10:59] <seb128> the opposite
[10:59] <seb128> you better make sure you test
[10:59] <seb128> the lander just line up merges and get you a ppa
[10:59] <seb128> that you can use to confirm things that are about to land are good
[11:00] <Cimi> seb128, but then it happens you approve, like this dednick branch, and sits for more than a month doing anything
[11:01] <seb128> Cimi, right, the owner of the component is supposed to watch things approved and organize regular landings
[11:01] <seb128> it's like before you could have pending reviews not getting reviewed as well
[11:01] <seb128> well, talk to Saviq, I'm sure he can organize a landing for you
[11:02] <Cimi> seb128, but I don't need one, I tested already :)
[11:02] <Cimi> I just want this merged
[11:02] <seb128> well, a landing is what makes the change go to Ubuntu and merged back to trunk
[11:02] <seb128> right
[11:02] <dednick> Saviq: ^^ !! :) https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/ubuntu-settings-components/access-point-init/+merge/212913
[11:02] <seb128> then ask Saviq of a landing
[11:03] <Cimi> seb128, we should be able to skip those "landings", they seem inefficient to me
[11:03] <Cimi> they are good for few cases, not for others
[11:04] <Cimi> imagine I do one line modification to a debian/control file, changing a version number
[11:04] <Cimi> do I really need a landing for that?
[11:04] <Cimi> or for adding a #FIXME comment
[11:04] <seb128> Cimi, that has been discussed for weeks since the CI train was added
[11:04] <seb128> I'm not interested to spend my day discussing that again
[11:04] <Cimi> seb128, so how to we skip them?
[11:04] <seb128> especially that I'm only an user of that system
[11:05] <seb128> you don't
[11:05] <Cimi> ah cool, brilliant idea
[11:05] <seb128> talk to asac if you are unhappy
[11:05] <Cimi> I will! :)
[11:05] <seb128> cool
[11:05] <seb128> on that note, lunch time here
[11:05] <seb128> bbl
[11:13] <xnox> Cimi: core-devs can still dput things into the archive. That's what i do, on a quiet weekend and watch results on ci.ubuntu.cm
[11:14] <Cimi> xnox, spend your weekend in a swimming pool instead, tomorrow will be sunny here :)
[11:15] <xnox> Cimi: oh really?! i will indeed. speaking of which my gym is trying to extort 500 again for me to renew.
[11:15]  * xnox misses the sun
[11:35] <mhr3> tsdgeos, QT_QPA_PLATFORM doesn't matter for QCoreApplication, right?
[11:35] <tsdgeos> mhr3: no
[11:36] <mhr3> tsdgeos, no, it doesn't?
[11:36] <mhr3> or "no, it does"? :)
[11:36] <tsdgeos> mhr3: correct
[11:36] <tsdgeos> no, it does not
[11:36] <mhr3> lol
[12:22] <Saviq> dednick, right away
[12:23] <Saviq> dednick, care to review https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/ubuntu-settings-components/fix.slider/+merge/199356 ?
[12:23] <Saviq> dednick, we could land together
[12:25] <dednick> Saviq: sure
[12:26] <Saviq> didrocks, greyback is on it for unity-mir
[12:30] <dednick> Saviq: hm. why no jenkins for that branch?
[12:31] <dednick> Saviq: doesn't merge cleanly anymore
[12:34] <Saviq> dednick, ok, please comment on it
[12:46] <Saviq> tsdgeos, mhr3, on centered LazyImage, weird stuff happened when image was smaller than displayed IIRC
[12:46] <Saviq> or maybe it was about aspect ratio...
[12:50] <Saviq> dednick, kicked ci for it, since Adnane updated it already
[12:50] <Saviq> dednick, but also kicked the wrong CI for it first, hence the CI
[12:51] <dednick> Saviq: ok. ta.
[12:51] <didrocks> Saviq: great!
[12:55] <Cimi> Saviq, issue with the TextArea was indeed a bug with the SDK that is fixed by silo009
[12:55] <Saviq> Cimi, oh, I knew about that silo... didn't know it had text area changes :/
[12:55] <Cimi> Saviq, mainly due to Flickable inside the TextArea fighting
[12:56] <Cimi> Saviq, I did not too... I told zsombi there was a bug in the flickable and he said he is aware and there is a fix there :)
[12:57] <Cimi> Saviq, dednick on https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/ubuntu-settings-components/fix.slider/+merge/199356
[12:57] <Cimi> we usually have not shortened versions
[12:57] <Cimi> like minIcon
[12:57] <Cimi> instead minimumIcon or so
[12:57] <Cimi> at least ion the sdk
[12:58] <Saviq> Cimi, and why are you writing this here instead of as a comment for the MP, if that's something you'd like fixed? ;)
[12:58] <Cimi> Saviq, because I am a chatty guy :D
[12:58] <Cimi> I will
[12:58] <dednick> Cimi: it's not related to the MP
[12:58] <Saviq> Cimi, GET TO WORK :P
[12:58] <Cimi> dednick, I know
[12:58] <dednick> Cimi: so raise a bug
[12:59] <Cimi> dednick, but I noticed now
[13:01] <Cimi> here we go https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-settings-components/+bug/1315380
[13:01]  * Cimi -> lunch
[13:16] <mhr3> dednick, did you write the run_tests macro that was in unity8?
[13:16] <mhr3> cmake macro that is
[13:16] <dednick> mhr3: nope
[13:16] <dednick> mzanetti: ^ ?
[13:17] <mhr3> dednick, still, you're good with cmake... how do i make that thing not run tests in parallel
[13:17] <mhr3> ?
[13:18] <dednick> mhr3: eh? i'm shit with cmake... i didn't think tests were run in parallel
[13:19] <mhr3> dednick, neither did i until today
[13:21] <dednick> mhr3: uh, i see that you can use RUN_SERIAL for a cmake test.
[13:22] <dednick> mhr3: but it's just a custom target, so maybe not
[13:23] <mhr3> hm, but clearly something changed in U, i can't get the tests to actually run in parallel on T
[13:23] <mhr3> ah.. there we go
[13:23] <mhr3> /usr/bin/ctest --force-new-ctest-process -j8
[13:25] <dednick> mhr3: oohh. i thought you were talking about the qml test macros
[13:25] <mhr3> yea... no
[13:27] <dednick> mhr3: well i think you can use the RUN_SERIAL property for where run_test uses add_test in that case
[13:27] <dednick> add_test(NAME ${_test} COMMAND ${testCommand} RUN_SERIAL)
[13:28] <mhr3> nope, doesn't work there
[13:29] <dednick> er. no. sorry, set_tests_properties
[13:30] <mhr3> yea, did that on first try, didn't work
[13:30] <mhr3> apparently you need to do (.. PROPERTIES RUN_SERIAL TRUE)
[13:30] <dednick>  set_tests_properties(${_test} PROPERTIES ENVIRONMENT "LC_ALL=C" RUN_SERIAL TRUE)
[13:30] <dednick> mhr3: no work?
[13:31] <mhr3> yea, that does
[13:31] <mhr3> i was missing the TRUE
[13:31] <dednick> right.. good stuff... i'm hungry
[13:34] <Saviq> dednick, CI +1 on the branch, so when you're back please have a look and let's land the two
[13:40] <dednick> not gone yet :)
[13:44] <dednick> Saviq: done and approved.
[13:44] <Saviq> dednick, thought "I'm hungry" suggested you'll be gone for lunch ;)
[13:44] <Saviq> dednick, landing, then
[13:44]  * mhr3 bets dednick has crisps on his table
[13:44] <dednick> preparing myself for feasting
[13:45] <dednick> i just had a quick random meat stick from fridge. not quite sure waht is was....
[13:46] <Saviq> ...
[13:46] <MacSlow> dednick, I hope you tossed in the frypan first :)
[13:46] <dednick> tasted good. er. no
[13:46]  * dednick is away for some food now
[14:01] <tsdgeos> Saviq: so what do we do with paulliu1's branch that centers images again? approve and fix it when something break + test?
[14:01] <tsdgeos> because if we don't really remember what went wrong...
[14:01] <Saviq> tsdgeos, well, I do remember what went wrong
[14:01] <tsdgeos> yes
[14:01] <tsdgeos> but not in which case
[14:02] <tsdgeos> doesn't mean his code is going to have the same problem
[14:02] <tsdgeos> and if we don't know the case, why reject?
[14:02] <Saviq> tsdgeos, should be easy to reproduce still
[14:02] <tsdgeos> i gave it a try, failed
[14:02] <Saviq> tsdgeos, maybe he fixed it then
[14:02]  * Saviq looks for the commit
[14:02] <tsdgeos> that's what i'm saying
[14:02] <tsdgeos> his code is a complete different beast
[14:02] <tsdgeos> that also centers it
[14:03] <tsdgeos> but has more stuff
[14:17] <paulliu1> tsdgeos: I remember the centering stuff. Actually it is just a bug I've done in the code. So I fix the test cases to do the zoom-in/out twice to test that.
[14:18] <tsdgeos> paulliu1: no sure i understand what you mean
[14:19] <paulliu> tsdgeos: sorry, which branch are you actually talking about now?
[14:19] <tsdgeos> paulliu: none
[14:20] <tsdgeos> paulliu: i am saying that months ago, when we made the images center like you have done in lp:~paulliu/unity8/zoomImage  we found a problem
[14:20] <tsdgeos> but noone can't exactly remember when the problem happened
[14:20] <tsdgeos> i was asking if people remembered so i could test it against your branch and see if it also happened or not
[14:20] <tsdgeos> but i can't
[14:39] <tsdgeos> Saviq: about tests for this dynamic card stuff branch
[14:39] <tsdgeos> i'm unusure what to do honestly
[14:40] <tsdgeos> i want to still have tryCard
[14:40] <tsdgeos> so you can write your own stuff and whatnot
[14:40] <tsdgeos> but testCard doesn't make much sense
[14:40] <Saviq> tsdgeos, doesn't it?
[14:40] <tsdgeos> and a testCardCreator would be basically "check that the string you return is the string we expect you to return", which is a bit lame
[14:40] <Saviq> tsdgeos, I think we should keep testCard
[14:41] <Saviq> tsdgeos, one that's using the card creator
[14:41] <tsdgeos> Saviq: what would testCard do?
[14:41] <Saviq> tsdgeos, verify that in a given template/component configuration stuff is as expected
[14:41] <tsdgeos> hmmmm, ok
[14:42] <tsdgeos> can do i guess
[14:42] <Saviq> tsdgeos, instead of checking for whether stuff is visible
[14:42] <Saviq> tsdgeos, you'd check that you can't find it maybe
[14:42] <Saviq> *not visible
[14:42] <Saviq> but for visible things, I think the tests shouldn't even change that much
[14:42] <Saviq> well, they probably will since you got rid of CardHeader
[14:43] <tsdgeos> yep
[14:43] <tsdgeos> another thing
[14:43] <tsdgeos> we use the CardHeader in the preview stuff
[14:43] <tsdgeos> so rename it and use it in PreviewHeader ?
[16:04]  * greyback eow
[16:04] <greyback> talk Tue!


[00:17] <spelya> Hello! Help would be appreciated with installation or configuration  on WUBI.
[00:17] <spelya> I Just installed WUBI and reboot. The kde gear with progress dots appear for a while, then the splash screen changes, but stalls from there.
[00:23] <spelya> English or french correspondant accepted
[00:27] <spelya> Bye
[00:37] <MountainX> I'm running Kubuntu 12.04. After a system update about a month ago KSnapshot stopped working for me. All it does is capture the stock desktop background. I cannot actually capture any application windows. Anyone else seeing this?
[00:38] <MountainX> My KSnapshot version is 0.8.2
[00:48] <MountainX> Gimp's screen capture feature has the same error. The appearance of the error coincides with a Kubuntu system update that changed the way the desktop is shown (now hidden better) when the desktop is locked. I am guessing it was a security change. But it broke the ability of apps to capture the screen. Surely other people have experienced this...
[01:15] <MountainX> In case it matters, I'm running KDE platform version 4.8.5 and kernel 3.2.0-39-generic #62-Ubuntu SMP Thu Feb 28 00:28:53 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[01:47] <valorie> MountainX: have you checked for a bug in bugs.kde.org?
[01:47] <valorie> sounds more like a KDE bug than a Kubuntu packaging error
[01:47] <valorie> although a check of launchpad of course would be worthwhile as well
[01:48] <valorie> the bug trackers are more likely to give you information than random people paying attention in channel
[01:57] <MountainX> valorie: I just checked at bugs.kde.org and I did not find anything that looked relevant to me. There are 145 bugs related to KSnapshot.
[01:59] <valorie> so it may be a kwin problem
[02:00] <valorie> so I suggest #kwin
[02:00] <valorie> martin is really helpful
[02:17] <MountainX> valorie: thank you
[02:18] <valorie> best of luck!
[08:35] <Dudalus_> Is there an easy way to use a Qt 4 and 5 toolchain on a Kubuntu system ? Because Qt5 doesn't use the doxygen style (Compiled with Qt 4)
[08:35] <Dudalus_> + and KDE 4
[09:06] <hateball> !info pastebinit | bentech4you
[09:06] <hateball> hmmm
[09:06] <hateball> !info pastebinit
[09:06] <hateball> why isnt that working...
[09:06] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[09:19] <bentech4you> thanks pastebin is working now
[09:45] <chiefw0tj> greetings.
[09:58] <simion314> hi all, any idea why the hell all say that openSUSE has athe best KDE implementation? I am running Kubuntu for years and I think all the bugs or issues are upstream bugs and not packaging bugs,  also having latest KDe on 12.04 LTS is great , the kubuntu devs are great
[10:01] <ihatetearing> a (for me rather annoying) bug ( https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=307965 ) is fixed in kde 4.11, when can I expect that fix to arrive in kubuntu? 14.04? (planned release date for 4.11 is 2013-8-14)
[10:13] <yofel> ihatetearing: 13.10, the older releases will get backports as possible
[10:21] <ihatetearing> ok, thank you
[11:49] <skramer_> Hi. I would like to scan an image directly into The Gimp, but there´s no option for that on Kubuntu 12.04 and KDE 4.10.1? Any hints how to do that as I could not find much useful information on the web?
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:00] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[12:04] <z4ch> Is there anyone here that could help me compile something from source? I'm getting a command not found error when i try to run ./configure
[12:06] <lordievader> What command is not found, z4ch?
[12:07] <z4ch> ./configure
[12:07] <z4ch> i'm fairly new to linux, i think maybe it just means that this source package doesn't have a configure file right?
[12:08] <BluesKaj> z4 is there a readme file ?
[12:08] <z4ch> but i try to run autoconf bc there's a configure.ac.in file, but it doens't work and has a huge list of code that shows up
[12:08] <BluesKaj> z4ch: ^
[12:08] <z4ch> yeah, the readme says to run ./configure :/
[12:08] <lordievader> z4ch: That is a script.. There is probably a command in there for which the package isn't installed.
[12:08] <lordievader> z4ch: Did you install the build-essentials package?
[12:08] <z4ch> yeah
[12:09] <lordievader> build-essential*
[12:09] <z4ch> and there were about 5 packages on the site that said they were dependencies so i installed those too, one of them being autoconf
[12:09] <lordievader> z4ch: Can you pastebin the full output you get when you run this configure script? (http://paste.kde.org/)
[12:10] <BluesKaj> z4ch:  you need to be in the path , cd to the package/app directory in the terminal then run ./configure
[12:11] <z4ch> i'm not that new to linux. lol
[12:11] <z4ch> and sorry this is taking me a little bit, i'm using teamviewer from work
[12:11] <z4ch> there's a little lag
[12:12] <z4ch> i pasted the output from ./configure
[12:12] <BluesKaj> z4ch:  well, don't know what you know or don't know
[12:12] <z4ch> if you want me to paste the output from autoconf' it's going ot be a lot more
[12:12] <z4ch> i know, i was just sying
[12:13] <lordievader> z4ch: Just the output when you run the configure script.
[12:13] <z4ch> ~/paste/709418
[12:15] <lordievader> z4ch: Is this paste.kde?
[12:16] <z4ch> i think. i just clicked on th elink you typed then pasted it in there
[12:16] <z4ch> but it's only one line, should i just type it?
[12:17] <z4ch> it says "bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[12:17] <z4ch> "
[12:17] <lordievader> z4ch: Yes I see now. And you are in the right path? When you run ls you see the configure script?
[12:17] <z4ch> yeah, i just dont think there's a configure script in this source package. does that happen sometimes?
[12:18] <lordievader> z4ch: Does the ls command list it?
[12:18] <BluesKaj> z4ch:  you should see one
[12:18] <z4ch> no
[12:18] <lordievader> z4ch: There is your problem ;)
[12:18] <z4ch> just conifgure.ac.in
[12:19] <z4ch> so then do i need to use autoconf to generate a configure script?
[12:19] <lordievader> z4ch: No, it should be in the source tar-ball.
[12:19] <z4ch> so this is prbly just an complete tar-ball?
[12:20] <lordievader> z4ch: What did you download exactly?
[12:20] <z4ch> ps3-utils
[12:20] <z4ch> well, ps3-utils.2.3 to be more precise
[12:21] <z4ch> the only .deb file i could fine was for the powerpc architecture
[12:21] <lordievader> z4ch: The ps3-utils_2.3.orig.tar.gz?
[12:21] <z4ch> yes
[12:22] <lordievader> z4ch: Isn't in the repo? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/ps3-utils/2.3-1
[12:22] <lordievader> !info ps3-utils
[12:23] <z4ch> i downloaded the one i have from launchpad
[12:23] <z4ch> just from the precise page instead of quantal
[12:24] <lordievader> z4ch: You are right it is the autoconf thingie: "The file `configure.in' is used to create `configure' by a program
[12:24] <lordievader> called `autoconf'.  You only need `configure.in' if you want to change
[12:24] <lordievader> it or regenerate `configure' using a newer version of `autoconf'."
[12:29] <BluesKaj> z4ch:  which kubuntu are you running?
[12:40] <BluesKaj> odd that the config file is missing or corrupted. lordievader
[12:41] <yofel> not odd, there's a bootstrap script in there which has to be run first
[12:41] <yofel> common thing with autotools
[12:42] <BluesKaj> hi yofel , then it should be listed in the readme instructions
[12:43] <yofel> indeed
[12:43] <lordievader> It is, I quoted the readme a bit back.
[12:44] <lordievader> It is mentioned in the readme, I mean.
[12:48] <yofel> lordievader: the bootstrap script itself isn't explicitely mentioned - so you would first need to know what the autotools are to use this
[12:49] <lordievader> yofel: True, it isn't a great readme.
[12:59] <ghazali> dfas
[12:59] <ghazali> works fine!
[15:13] <Macer> hm. i'm having a problem with kleopatra
[15:13] <Macer> i'm trying to set up certs and i can't seem to get kleopatra to work properly. i keep getting errors
[15:13] <Macer> gpg-agent connectivity not reachable
[15:17] <jxjl> hi, is there any way, how to improve flash player performance on intel gma graphics? when I open any web page, that uses flash, it consumes 100% of avaliable cpu time
[15:20] <BluesKaj> Macer:  did you install a ppa , if so then you need a gpg key from the ppa site
[15:23] <Macer> BluesKaj: huh? for kmail?
[15:23] <Macer> i'm using it to set up my gpg stuff for sending/receiving encrypted emails
[15:23] <Macer> but nm. i figured it out. or should i say someone else did
[15:23] <Macer> not sure if someone filed a bug on it
[15:23] <Macer> seems more a kde issue than anything
[15:24] <BluesKaj> ok thought you were talking about a different app , Macer
[15:24] <Macer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/+bug/684902
[15:25] <Macer> kmail uses kleopatra as its gpg cert manager
[15:25] <BluesKaj> well I wouldn't know sincew I don't use kmail or any KDE PIM
[15:26] <Macer> heh
[15:26] <Macer> wow really?
[15:26] <Macer> i'd use all of it if i can.. especially if i am able to get owncloud to sync using dav
[15:26] <Macer> then you can sync contacts and calendar stuff on your phone to kde :)
[15:27] <BluesKaj> I don't need a calendar
[15:27] <BluesKaj> the panel one works for me :)
[15:27] <Macer> grrrrr
[15:27] <Macer> now it's not working
[15:28] <BluesKaj> not on the job here Macer ...I'm retired no need for an email database either
[15:28] <Macer> heh
[15:29] <BluesKaj> we actually talk to one another by phone , that must seem ancient to you tho :)
[15:30] <Macer> grrrrr
[15:33] <Macer> ok still not working :-/
[15:36] <BluesKaj> Macer:  kmail/akonadi  database server don't work on some systems and haven't for a long time , mine's one of them ,,,they begin to segfault after working correctly for a day or 2
[15:37] <Macer> BluesKaj: well... i'll have to discover that for myself ;)
[15:37] <Macer> right now i'm working on encryption
[15:39] <BluesKaj> Macer:  kmail/akonadi work fine on some systems , most intel cpu based I suspect ...amd does have success but not as much
[15:39] <Macer> alrighty :) just sent it to myself heh
[15:39] <Macer> nice. that actually worked.
[15:41] <Macer> finally. ugh. :)
[15:43] <Macer> hm
[15:44] <Macer> i guess you can only use gpg with clients?
[15:44] <Macer> gmail doesn't support it? I guess not huh? heh
[15:49] <BluesKaj> Macer:  that's why i use thunderbird , supports pop, imap
[15:53] <Macer> and gpg :-P
[15:53] <Macer> heh
[15:54] <Macer> i meant the gmail web stuff
[15:54] <Macer> then again i suppose gmail can't data mine encrypted emails :)
[15:55] <BluesKaj> gmail, can be redirected to send to thunderbird
[16:06] <abhayiit> I am trying to connect internet in ubuntu using pppoe but I am not able to .please help me
[16:06] <Macer> ubuntu or kubntu?
[16:07] <Macer> if you are using pppoe for dsl.. you just have to start network manager and add it to the dsl tab
[16:07] <Macer> not too sure about ubuntu but i'm sure the network manager works rather similar
[16:08] <abhayiit> I started network manager and then added dsl
[16:08] <abhayiit> in dsl I added username and password but no luck
[16:09] <abhayiit> Macer: ubuntu and kubuntu are very much similar
[16:13] <BluesKaj> dsl wifi or eth0
[16:13] <BluesKaj> ?
[16:14] <abhayiit> BluesKaj: dsl eth0
[16:14] <BluesKaj> router/modem ., or just modem
[16:14] <BluesKaj> ?
[16:15] <abhayiit> BluesKaj: router/modem
[16:17] <BluesKaj> then network manager should just connect by default , without any settings , abhayiit , have you entered a password for your use or some such ?
[16:17] <BluesKaj> err user that is'
[16:17] <Macer> oh
[16:17] <Macer> the configuration for the dsl needs to be done on the router not kde
[16:18] <Macer> kde simply connects to the router as thought it's connecting to your local network
[16:18] <abhayiit> BluesKaj: I entered username and password in dsl configuration
[16:19] <BluesKaj> on the router or in network manager?
[16:19] <abhayiit> Macer: I can plese help in configuring my router
[16:19] <abhayiit> BluesKaj: in network manager
[16:19] <Macer> abhayiit: remove the dsl configuration from kde
[16:20] <Macer> it won't work like that unless you plug the kde box directly into your modem
[16:20] <BluesKaj> there's no need in network manager unless you're using wifi abhayiit
[16:20] <Macer> the login/password is done on the router
[16:20] <abhayiit> How can I configure my router
[16:20] <Macer> find the instructions
[16:20] <Macer> lol
[16:21] <BluesKaj> abhayiit:  Macer is correct
[16:21] <Macer> or call whomever gave it to you :)
[16:21] <Macer> there are a lot of different routers
[16:21] <Macer> if i were to take a stab at it
[16:21] <abhayiit> I am having bsnl teracom router
[16:21] <Macer> i'd say set up kde to use dhcp. open a browser and try to connect to <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:21] <Macer> but all routers are different
[16:21] <abhayiit> with ip address <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:22] <Macer> then set kde up for dhcp .. it will usually grab an ip off the router since they're a usually defaulted to running dhcpd
[16:22] <Macer> then open a browser and go to http://<IP_ADDRESS>
[16:22] <BluesKaj> abhayiit:  open you browser , try http:/home in the addressbar
[16:23] <abhayiit> <IP_ADDRESS> opens a page of my router
[16:23] <abhayiit> http:/home is not working
[16:24] <Macer> ok
[16:24] <Macer> so login to your router.. usually there is a default password
[16:24] <Macer> maybe admin/admin
[16:24] <BluesKaj> or run route -n in the terminal , and look for the gateway IP
[16:24] <abhayiit> yes I logined
[16:24] <Macer> there should be a configuration for your "WAN interface"
[16:24] <abhayiit> BluesKaj: gateway ip is <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:24] <Macer> maybe a dropdown menu
[16:25] <Macer> and you should see dsl or pppoe
[16:25] <Macer> by default it probably has dhcp
[16:25] <Macer> like i said. they're not all the same
[16:25] <Macer> when you choose pppoe or dsl it will make areas to put in your login/password
[16:25] <abhayiit> there is lan ,dhcp,dhcp relay andinternet connection configuration
[16:26] <Macer> internet connection configuration
[16:26] <Macer> would have it
[16:26] <abhayiit> in internet connection there is a default and options to add new etc
[16:27] <Macer> on the router?
[16:27] <abhayiit> Macer: sorry I didnt got u
[16:28] <BluesKaj> abhayiit:  best to stick with the defaults on the router , take the network manager back to default as well
[16:28] <abhayiit> BluesKaj: but with defaults nothing is happening
[16:28] <Macer> abhayiit: is it a router/modem?
[16:28] <abhayiit> i.e no internet
[16:28] <Macer> ie: it does both?
[16:28] <Macer> or do you have a dsl modem connected to  a router?
[16:29] <abhayiit> Macer: actually I dont know properly
[16:29] <Macer> are there 1 or 2 devices?
[16:29] <Macer> connected to your phone line
[16:29] <abhayiit> only 1 device
[16:29] <BluesKaj> abhayiit:  what's the name on the device
[16:29] <Macer> ok so it goes from phone line and has ethernet ports on it?
[16:30] <abhayiit> teracom
[16:30] <abhayiit> Macer: yes u are correct
[16:30] <Macer> then look around the screens for a section that says "dsl" heh
[16:30] <Macer> or maybe "internet connection"
[16:31] <Programmer_>  how  do i make my resolution set a certain way when vga is connected. automatically
[16:31] <abhayiit> Macer: I selected Internet connection'
[16:31] <Macer> yeah
[16:32] <Macer> it would be underneath configuration ... internet conenction
[16:32] <Macer> do you see any pull down menus??
[16:32] <abhayiit> Macer: in internet connection there is a default one and options to add new
[16:33] <Macer> the default one is already there?
[16:33] <Macer> pick the default one
[16:33] <abhayiit> yes
[16:33] <abhayiit> ok
[16:33] <Programmer_> anyone?
[16:33] <abhayiit> Macer: should I edit the default one
[16:33] <Macer> Programmer_: i found out that you can't :-/
[16:33] <Macer> abhayiit: yes
[16:33] <Macer> Programmer_: i had the same problem connecting my hdmi
[16:33] <abhayiit> done
[16:34] <Macer> what do you see?
[16:34] <BluesKaj> Programmer_:  system settings>monitor&Display
[16:34] <Programmer_> that sucks ass
[16:34] <Macer> Programmer_: may be different for other cards. i know intel can't do it
[16:34] <Programmer_> BluesKaj, i meant in a way that windows 7 does. so you dont have to touch the settings at all
[16:34] <Programmer_> yeah im on intel
[16:34] <abhayiit> vpi,vci,service category,peak cell rate
[16:34] <Macer> Programmer_: heh. yeah i ran into that a little while ago
[16:34] <abhayiit> Sustainable Cell Rate
[16:34] <Macer> cell rate?
[16:35] <BluesKaj> Programmer_:  ain't no such thing , once set tho it should stick
[16:35] <Macer> it's a cell phone dsl ?
[16:35] <abhayiit> no landline dsl
[16:35] <Programmer_> i remove it occassionally
[16:35] <Macer> oh
[16:35] <Macer> do you see a menu
[16:35] <Macer> that says dsl home?
[16:35] <Programmer_> only time i connect it is when im lazy and way to lay in the bed and surf the web
[16:35] <abhayiit> yes
[16:35] <Macer> try there
[16:35] <abhayiit> there is a dsl home
[16:36] <abhayiit> I clicked on it and there is management server andcwm parameters
[16:36] <Macer> kind of odd your phone company didn't have this set up for you already :)
[16:37] <abhayiit> Macer: what should I select out of the two
[16:38] <Macer> you don't see pppoe?
[16:38] <abhayiit> no
[16:39] <Macer> http://en.kioskea.net/forum/affich-347725-bsnl-teracom-wireless-router-configuration
[16:39] <Macer> maybe that will help you more ;)
[16:39] <Macer> it is difficult for me to do it without being able to see it
[16:39] <Macer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J8vouAk4ew
[16:39] <Macer> there is a video for you ;)
[16:40] <Macer> step by step
[16:40] <abhayiit> Macer: mine is not a wireless
[16:40] <FloodBotK1> Macer: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[16:40] <Macer> doesn't matter..... the wireless and wired act the same... wired is even less steps because you don't have to do the wifi stuff
[16:41] <abhayiit> thanks macer I will try it
[16:41] <abhayiit> :)
[16:41] <Macer> oh i'm sorry
[16:41] <Macer> not a good video to use.. it only shows the wireless config
[16:42] <abhayiit> Macer: I will try with the tutorial
[16:43] <Macer> http://www.calcutta.bsnl.co.in/dataoneinstall/pppoe12a.html
[16:43] <Macer> there you go :)
[16:43] <Macer> look at step 5
[16:43] <Macer> that's where you are
[16:45] <abhayiit> thanks Macer
[16:45] <Macer> http://www.corenetworkz.com/2010/06/configure-internet-connection-in-bsnl.html
[16:45] <Macer> that one has pictures
[16:45] <Macer> ;)
[16:54] <BluesKaj> I never had dsl ethernet network problems with any routers in linux , they just auto connected ...of course later I dumped networkmanager in favour of configuring the interfaces and resolv.conf files manually
[16:56] <Macer> wow
[16:56] <Macer> i just realized.. in the IM app.. what happened to all the other options?
[16:56] <Macer> like getting more plugins (like otr) and getting more styles?
[16:56] <Macer> it's just konversation isn't it?
[16:57] <Macer> oh. not konversation. hm. what was it called before?
[16:59] <BluesKaj> konversation bases it's look on your global settings in appearances in application and worspace in system settings , the settings in knoverstion are restricted to fonts , colours etc
[16:59] <Macer> BluesKaj: the IM app... i can't remember what it used to be called
[16:59] <Macer> but it used to have a lot more options
[16:59] <BluesKaj> kopete?
[17:00] <Macer> yes kopete
[17:00] <Macer> it is missing options now
[17:00] <Macer> such as im window themes
[17:00] <Macer> and otr
[17:01] <Macer> oh. i guess it's not kopete... it's an off brand knockoff
[17:01] <Macer> heh
[17:01] <abhayiit> Macer: thanks for your help
[17:01] <Macer> oh.. it's a telepathy front end
[17:01] <Macer> so kde uses telepathy now it seems
[17:01] <Macer> abhayiit: did you get it working?
[17:02] <abhayiit> yes it is working now
[17:02] <BluesKaj> kopete was dropped in favour of kde imcontacts, doesn't seem to have a name
[17:02] <Macer> wow.. it also doesn't adhere to the overall theme
[17:03] <BluesKaj> Macer:  some ppl still use pidgin
[17:03] <Macer> using a dark theme in kde still has it using black txt with a black background
[17:03] <Macer> BluesKaj: probably for all the features
[17:03] <Macer> i hate using pidgin because you lose the kde integration
[17:03] <BluesKaj> Macer:  dark themes seem to suffer i kde
[17:03] <BluesKaj> in
[17:03] <Macer> i hate having redundant apps ;) like 4 web browsers heh
[17:03] <Macer> i would love to just use rekonq but it doesn't work with the synology dsm
[17:03] <Macer> which is a bit important
[17:04] <BluesKaj> rekonq is hopeless , some still use konqueror , but it's not up to par anymore either
[17:05] <Macer> i disagree
[17:05] <Macer> i think rekonq is great
[17:05] <Macer> other than it not working with my synology stuff it was actually working quite well
[17:06] <BluesKaj> well , to each his own , doesn't work here very well at all
[17:06] <Macer> heh. i should try it again
[17:06] <Macer> it was working great until i updated the dsm :-/
[17:07] <Macer> other than that tho i didn't really have many problems
[17:07] <Macer> it's very close to being a viable browser
[17:13] <abhayiit> I am having laptop heating problem while using ubuntu.I have tried all the available tweaks that I found on google .but no use can someone help me
[17:16] <abhayiit> I am having laptop heating problem while using ubuntu.I have tried all the available tweaks that I found on google .but no use can someone help me
[17:16] <lordievader> !patience | abhayiit
[17:17] <BluesKaj> abhayiit:  have you updated/upgraded kubuntu lately ?
[17:18] <abhayiit> BluesKaj: I use ubuntu 12.04
[17:18] <abhayiit> not kubuntu
[17:18] <BluesKaj> then you should ask in #ubuntu , abhayiit
[17:40] <Zeel> ?
[17:41] <Zeel> How do you do a nat connection via SSID on virtual pc?
[17:41] <Zeel> the virtual pc is a kubuntu install
[17:42] <bazhang> virtual pc the microsoft product?
[17:42] <Zeel> can't connect via nat on a windows 7 host
[17:42] <roney> What virtualization tool are you running?
[17:42] <Zeel> yes microsoft product
[17:43] <bazhang> thats not really a kubuntu question Zeel
[17:43] <Zeel> The virtualizaiton tool is virtual pc
[17:44] <Zeel> its a valid question...
[17:45] <roney> Yeah, bazhang is right. That's really a Kubuntu question. But, IIRC correctly, most virtualization softwares have a config tool to deal with networks.
[17:45] <roney> thats not really*
[17:45] <bazhang> Zeel, its a valid virtual pc networking question
[18:26] <Zeel> What's the su password?
[18:26] <goodtime> your password i bet
[18:27] <Pici> !sudo
[18:27] <lordievader> Zeel: Root account is disabled by default. So "su" will not work. To use elevated privileges use sudo.
[18:27] <Zeel> btw, virtual box worked fine with kubuntu
[18:28] <Zeel> virtual pc is proprietary to microsoft products
[18:29] <goodtime> virtual box is fussy like that
[18:29] <Zeel> lol
[18:29] <goodtime>  i dont like it
[18:31] <Zeel> Thanks, lordievader...
[18:31] <lordievader> No problem, Zeel ;)
[18:36] <mikkle> My panel with only icon-tasks doesn't automatically resize when I set the minimum size to its lowest and maximum to its highest
[18:37] <mikkle> it works for the default task manager though...weird
[18:38] <mikkle> yes
[18:42] <ovidiu-florin> I keep receiving this notification: A new widget has become available on the network:
[18:42] <ovidiu-florin> Network Management on linux-np0r.site - Network status and control utility
[19:05] <keithzg> Hmm, tomahawk has only one major flaw for me: it doesn't notice my play/pause button unless I have the application in focus (and unlike Amarok, etc it doesn't show up as a component in the SystemSettings global shortcuts config, so I can't apparently set that up easily).
[19:06] <lordievader> keithzg: Does it have some command line options/dbus?
[19:07] <keithzg> lordievader: according to a forum post from february last year it does implement the MPRIS2 media player spec via dbus
[19:07] <lordievader> keithzg: You might be able to control it through there. Set it up in a bash script and call the script with a global key-shortcut.
[19:09] <keithzg> lordievader: yeah, looking into that right now; I see at least some folks have done so for Clementine (http://wiki.clementine-player.googlecode.com/git/MPRIS.wiki ) so it shouldn't be too hard for me to figure this out :)
[19:10] <lordievader> keithzg: I believe my clemetine/music-control script also uses mpris, I'll take a look.
[19:11] <lordievader> Hmm it doesn't, it just simply calls clementine -t (or something)...
[19:12] <lordievader> keithzg: This works though with mpris (still clementine): qdbus org.mpris.clementine /Player org.freedesktop.MediaPlayer.Play
[19:13] <keithzg> lordievader: Sadly for tomahawk "No such object path '/Player'"
[19:14] <lordievader> keithzg: What options does it give for "qdbus org.mpris.tomahawk" <- I think it is that?
[19:15] <keithzg> lordievader: /,/AudioOutputs,/AudioOutputs/0,/org,/org/mpris,/org/mpris/MediaPlayer2
[19:15] <lordievader> keithzg: I think you need /org/mpris/MediaPLayer2
[19:17] <keithzg> lordievader: As the second argument, replacing /Player?  Still no such object path. Hmm . . .
[19:17] <lordievader> keithzg: Yes so your command becomes: qdbus org.mpris.tomahawk /org/mpris/MediaPlayer2
[19:18] <lordievader> keithzg: I'll download tomahawk, and check it out ;)
[19:18] <keithzg> lordievader: :) Although I think I might have it, actually . . . I just copy-pasted your line like a script kiddie, that was the issue
[19:19] <keithzg> lordievader: Not sure quite where the typo is, but "qdbus org.mpris.MediaPlayer2.tomahawk /org/mpris/MediaPlayer2 org.mpris.MediaPlayer2.Player.PlayPause" works fine!
[19:20] <lordievader> keithzg: Ah yes, I didn't have tomahawk installed had to guess for a bit.
[19:21] <keithzg> lordievader: Well, you got ridiculously close, and it solved this in the end for me, so many thanks :)
[19:21] <lordievader> keithzg: No problem ;)
[19:24] <lordievader> keithzg: If you use more that one music player what you could do is build a check in your bash script to check what program is running. It's what my script does :)
[19:24] <keithzg> lordievader: Good idea, that makes sense
[20:08] <SonikkuAmerica> *sigh* I haz problem: Ever since I plugged in my Logitech H540 into my Fujitsu T4220 running Quantal, I can't get the sound to work properly...
[20:11] <SonikkuAmerica> Logitech H540 is a USB headset...
[20:11] <JosefStalin> !ops | bazhang
[20:12] <SonikkuAmerica> JosefStalin: That rules applies across the *buntu channel community... (and you don't have to send it to a particular person)
[20:13] <SonikkuAmerica> *rule
[20:18] <SonikkuAmerica> (2: 8 minutes) *sigh* I haz problem: Ever since I plugged in my Logitech H540 into my Fujitsu T4220 running Quantal, I can't get the sound to work properly...
[20:24] <jussi> SonikkuAmerica: I assume you ave been in system settings and set the headset as default? and in kmix and adjusted the headset settings there?
[20:25] <SonikkuAmerica> Yep. Even went to Phonon.
[20:26] <jussi> SonikkuAmerica: can you define " I can't get the sound to work properly..."
[20:26] <jussi> ie. what is "not working properly" ?
[20:27] <SonikkuAmerica> jussi: Sure, it typically happens when connecting and disconnecting: when I do one or the other, sounds and music cease to play.
[20:28] <SonikkuAmerica> jussi: Then when I re-set the playback to "built-in audio," it doesn't work until I reboot.
[20:30] <SonikkuAmerica> Oops! False alarm, it works now!  Through that guide I created my own Launchpad PGP key ;)
[21:40] <volkan> lordievader: i think i did :D.thanks again
[22:27] <TheSilentDrifter> Hey, I am running Kubuntu 12.10, and I cannot seem to get my iPhone 4 to sync with gtkpod, Amarok, or rhythmbox
[22:29] <TheSilentDrifter> hello?
[23:11] <zebra> echo hello
[23:11] <zebra> hello
[23:11] <zebra> why
[23:12] <zebra> hello 2
[23:15] <zebra10> echo hello
[23:15] <zebra10> hellp
[23:15] <zebra10> hola
[23:17] <zebra> great
[23:19] <zebra10> hhh
[23:19] <zebra> hh
[23:19] <zebra> great
[23:19] <zebra10> test 1
[23:20] <zebra> test 2
[23:22] <zebra> hola
[23:27] <zebra> ddd