 Reddit went nuts over it a while back
[01:08] <Cheri703> who/what book?
[01:08] <paultag> Cheri703, the 27bslash6 guy
[01:08] <Cheri703> hmm...ok
[01:14] <canthus13> paultag: Oh. I'm fighting with isolinux right now.
[01:15]  * canthus13 is attempting to boot crunchbang from his mp3 player.
[01:15] <canthus13> I can get to a boot: prompt, but no further.  I'm reinstalling right now.
[01:16] <canthus13> right now, I'm waiting for dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc to finish on a 16gb partition... over USB. :(
[01:36] <paultag> canthus13, woo isolinux
[01:37] <paultag> canthus13, what's the boot conf file?
[01:37] <paultag> canthus13, are you telling it to boot via USB and not HD?
[01:37] <paultag> canthus13, BRB, leave me messages :)
[01:39] <canthus13> I'll find out soon... I'm using this as a rough guide:  http://francisshanahan.com/index.php/2006/boot-linux-from-a-creative-zen-visionm/
[01:41] <canthus13> Blargh..  Forgot the chili pepper... Oh well. :)
[04:18] <Cheri703> you should be cooking them in a cast iron pan!
[04:18] <Cheri703> :)
[04:19]  * canthus13 doesn't do cast iron.
[04:19] <canthus13> Too much of a pain to deal with.
[04:19]  * Cheri703 hearts cast iron
[04:19] <Cheri703> and lard :) lately I've been frying things in lard
[04:19] <Cheri703> very nice and crispy
[04:19] <canthus13> Wife can't deal with cast iron.. She's got carpal tunnel syndrome.
[04:19] <Cheri703> ah, understandable
[04:20]  * canthus13 frying in a combination of sausage grease and canoli.
[04:20] <Cheri703> that works :)
[04:20] <Cheri703> canola?
[04:20] <canthus13> Yeah.
[04:20] <Cheri703> :)
[04:20] <canthus13> Meh.  I hate waiting for food.. :P
[04:25] <Cheri703> heh, yeah
[04:30] <Unit193> Cheri703: The heatsink and fan pop right off (lever/switch style) so that won't be the hard part....
[04:31] <Cheri703> awesome
[04:39]  * canthus13 noms his potatoes and sausage.
[04:40] <canthus13> A little burnt but tasty. :)
[04:40] <Cheri703> potatoes and sausage is a popular combination in our house :)
[04:46] <canthus13> It's definitely missing the chili pepper. :/
[04:46] <Cheri703> what kind of sausage do you use?
[04:46] <canthus13> Umm.. Bah. don't remember the brand, but it's sage.
[04:47] <canthus13> Old Tennessee, I think.
[04:47] <canthus13> something like that. :P
[04:48] <Cheri703> nice
[04:48] <Cheri703> I like sage sausage
[04:48] <Cheri703> aldi has good prices on bulk sausage (1 lb rolls)
[04:49] <canthus13> I'll have to look next time I'm there...
[04:49] <Cheri703> yeah, their ground turkey (frozen) is really inexpensive as well, I get that for use in manwich type things
[04:50] <canthus13> Yup. That's one of the reasons I go there.
[04:51] <Cheri703> their frozen/refrigerated products are really good. the dry mixes and such, sometimes questionable
[04:51] <canthus13> Wal Mart had a great sale on chicken breast the other day... $1.25/lb. :)
[04:51] <Cheri703> they have good prices on salmon as well
[04:52] <canthus13> Cheri703: Save A Lot has better salmon.
[04:52] <Cheri703> interesting
[04:52] <canthus13> Save A Lot has better fish overall
[04:52] <canthus13> Lower sodium for the most part.
[04:52] <Cheri703> save a lot is....questionable in general, at least the one in columbus I went to
[04:53] <canthus13> Yeah.. but their frozen stuff is usually decent.. they cater to/rip off the food stamp crowd, tho.  early in the month, the prices are higher.
[04:54] <Cheri703> interesting
[04:54] <canthus13> (For meats, anyway)
[05:49] <canthus13> paultag: Hrm. I've got Knoppix booting.. Now to figure out why I can't get crunchbang to boot.  Better yet, I'd like to be able to choose one or the other at boot.
[06:04] <BiosElement> Amazon fail...: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/12/amazon-and-wikileaks-first-amendment-only-strong
[06:05] <BiosElement> canthus13, I'm probably stating the obvious but grub2 'should' be able to see both of them.
[06:13] <canthus13> BiosElement: Sure, but the problem I'm having right now is that if I install just crunchbang, it sits at 'boot:' and can't find anything to  actually boot.
[06:14] <canthus13> Knoppix is still better than windows, though... and I've never seen it not recognize a piece of hardware.
[06:15]  * canthus13 is happy. He booted off his MP3 player *AND* managed to get the stupid thing to start recognizing new MP3s copied onto it.
[06:15] <canthus13> Next project: upgrade it to a larger hard drive. :)
[06:55] <Cheri703> rawr rawr
[06:55] <Unit193> Yes?
[06:56] <Cheri703> eh, one of those things
[06:56] <Unit193> You have used Xchat and Pidgin for IRC right?
[06:57] <Cheri703> yeah
[06:57] <Cheri703> prefer xchat
[06:57] <Cheri703> actually used kvirc back on windows
[06:57] <Unit193> Thanks
[06:57] <Unit193> Why xchat?
[06:58] <Cheri703> just works for me
[07:36] <Cheri703> this guy who I used to talk to back in the day im'd me out of NOWHERE and is whining about getting dumped >.< I'm making reassuring noises, but...meh
[07:37] <Unit193> Does he have no friends?
[07:38] <Cheri703> he "can't talk to them about this"
[07:39] <Unit193> He can't talk to his friends but he can random people he used to know....
[07:39]  * Cheri703 is the shoulder many people cry on
[07:49] <Cheri703> cool image: http://s.buzzfeed.com/static/imagebuzz/terminal01/2009/3/12/15/prosthetic-legs-through-the-years-22759-1236886784-7.jpg
[07:50] <Unit193> Does the "Save and Quit" ever kill you?
[07:50] <Cheri703> hmm...not lately
[07:51] <Unit193> I use that one too much......way too much....
[07:52] <Cheri703> I just turn on the session manager
[15:02] <Habitual> woof
[15:02] <Cheri703> hi?
[15:02]  * Habitual waves
[15:03] <Cheri703> how are you?
[15:04] <Habitual> Very well, thank you. How are you?
[15:04] <Cheri703> alright, dealing with moody husband this morning, but other than that :)
[15:04] <Habitual> well, being married, I can only offer compassion.
[21:23] <Habitual> woof
[21:24] <Cheri703> hello again...
[21:24]  * Habitual waves.
[21:24] <Habitual> Husband settle down? :P
[21:25] <Cheri703> I suppose, he's glued to his computer game now
[21:27] <Habitual> I am hard pressed to reply.
[21:28] <Habitual> I never understood gamers if that is the case.  I mean NO offense.
[21:33] <Cheri703> yeah, I don't get it myself
[21:33] <Cheri703> *shrug* point of contention. anyway
[21:33] <Cheri703> so where are you located?
[21:33] <Cheri703> I'm in mansfield
[21:33] <Habitual> Youngstown
[21:33] <Cheri703> that's cool
[21:39] <Unit193> Is there any reason why it would be better to install Linux 64-bit over 32?
[21:40] <Cheri703> depends on what your computer can handle
[21:40] <Cheri703> I don't know beyond that
[21:40] <canthus13> Unit193: you're running a server, don't need flash, need to use ungodly amounts of memory....
[21:40] <Habitual> I'm sure there's plenty of arguments but none I can defend soundly. 32 bit runs fine on 64 :)
[21:41] <canthus13> Flash seems to have a lot of issues in 64 bit.
[21:41]  * canthus13 runs 64 on one of his servers because there is a little bit of a performance gain... Not much, though.
[21:42] <Unit193> I was thinking about doing it... this would be a normal home comp (just installed UbuntuLM on a comp)
[21:43] <Unit193> UbuntuLM 64bit
[21:43] <Habitual> 32 :)
[21:45] <Unit193> Habitual: that's what I'm thinking... this is the only thing that made 64 sound good http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1665&page=8
[21:45] <Habitual> ah Crypto! Ive been all over that subject today.
[21:46] <Habitual> for excessive computations you'd want 64, but for GP stuff, 32 is fine.
[21:46] <Unit193> I do some video converting (but I don't think 64 will help)
[21:47] <Habitual> prolly knot. :)
[21:47] <Unit193> 32 it is.... (now I have to reinstall on the other comp :P )
[21:47] <Habitual> you compiling programs for polypeptide optimizations, 64 bit. else GP, 32.
[21:48] <Habitual> Everyday stuff, 32 bit.
[21:49] <Habitual> our desktop computers are faster than those that sent Apollo to the moon. :)
[22:19] <deejoe> our phones are faster
[22:19] <deejoe> and I'm not even talking the smart ones
[22:29] <canthus13> meh. my old TI calculator is faster.
[22:47] <canthus13> Ooo. Geek gore:  http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/26/ventblockers_2/
[23:00] <Unit193> After cleaning it out a bit:http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/2631/dscf1271r.jpg
[23:01] <Unit193> There was a ton on the fan, the computer wouldn't stay on for more then 3 min
[23:14]  * canthus13 liked the mummified frog....


[01:26] <cyphermox> anyone around could allow dialer-app and messaging-app to transition to release despite their being uninstallable?
[01:26] <cyphermox> ahah
[01:27] <cyphermox> I mean uninstallable on just powerpc64el and arm64 :D
[01:48] <xnox> cyphermox: that would be a regression as both messaging-app and dialer-app are currently present on those two arches in the release pocket.
[01:49] <xnox> cyphermox: however the easiest solution is to fix and build qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-telephony0.1 on those two arches, which should be easy these days.
[01:50] <cyphermox> I know they are already preset
[01:50] <cyphermox> but they would also already not be installable on these two arches
[01:51] <cyphermox> I would normally ask cjwatson who's aware of the situation
[01:51] <cyphermox> I find it quite sad too, but this goes relatively deep
[01:51] <cyphermox> qtdeclaractive... needs libusermetrics, which down the line needs valgrind, IIRC
[01:52] <cyphermox> developers are supposed to be aware already that they need to fix this situation
[01:52] <xnox> cyphermox: which is trivial to fix, making valgrind conditional.
[01:53] <xnox> cyphermox: i'm half-way done, and uploading libusermetrics which should unblock all of above.
[01:53] <xnox> cyphermox: we don't increase uninstallable count because of silly packages forcing to use valgrind unconditionally =)
[01:53] <cyphermox> no, i understand your position, we were just already dealing with this in the above way
[01:54] <cyphermox> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libusermetrics/1.1.1+14.04.20140305-0ubuntu1
[01:54] <cyphermox> libusermetrics should already ahve been ignoring valgrind had the change been done right *sigh*
[01:54] <xnox> cyphermox: that's ok. I'll fix it and then respin the jobs.
[01:55] <cyphermox> well, thanks then
[01:57] <xnox> test building
[02:23] <xnox> cyphermox: all tests failed locally, yet passing on buildds. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libusermetrics/1.1.1+14.04.20140305-0ubuntu2 ppc64el is here, arm64 is rolling .debs ;-)
[03:15] <cyphermox> xnox: awesome, thanks a lot
[03:15] <cyphermox> guess I'll owe you a $drink
[09:30] <cjwatson> xnox,cyphermox: I'd filed https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/libusermetrics/valgrind-optional/+merge/211563 for this days ago, but it never got landed
[16:36] <cjwatson> I've cleaned up image build failures
[16:50]  * infinity bumps another off the ppc/uninst list.
[16:58] <cjwatson> infinity: Oh, nice find.  I'm glad I didn't have to debug that directly.
[17:03] <infinity> cjwatson: I filed the Debian bug, everything after that was passive updates from other people. :P
[17:03] <infinity> cjwatson: Still fails miserably on 64-bit BE arches, but we don't ship any, so meh.
[17:03]  * cjwatson sheds a tear for ppc64.
[17:03] <cjwatson> Only one, mind.
[17:04] <infinity> s390x was where I tested.
[17:04] <infinity> But yeah.
[17:04] <infinity> Until someone throws gobs of money and a sub-zero datacenter at us, I suspect we won't care much about s/390
[17:05] <cjwatson> Does Red Hat have some hosting in Antarctica then?
[17:06] <infinity> cjwatson: I suspect they don't host the kit at all, much like Debian doesn't.
[17:06] <infinity> cjwatson: I could be wrong, of course, but I'm betting they just get time on something hosted by IBM.
[17:07] <cjwatson> Mm, you may be right ...
[17:10] <infinity> cjwatson: It just seems unlikely that RH would set up a DC with the power and hookups required for a water-cooled rack, but who knows.  People do a lot of things in the name of fun. :)
[17:10] <infinity> (I'd totally hook it up to the washing machine hookups in my apartment!)
[17:13] <cjwatson> Because what you want is an S/390 covered in weird smelly goop
[17:13] <cjwatson> (I just repaired my washing machine ...)
[17:14] <infinity> If you have weird smelly goop coming out of the taps hooked up to your washing machine, I think you may have found your problem.
[17:14] <infinity> My taps just provide water. :P
[17:15] <cjwatson> I was assuming that the washing machine hookups might also have washing machines nearby, and they seem to attract weird smelly goop in random crevices over time.
[17:23] <infinity>  selinux-policy-dev : Depends: policycoreutils (>= 2.2.1) but it is not installable
[17:23] <infinity> srsly?
[17:23] <infinity> (arm64 and ppc64el)
[17:23] <infinity> How did I not notice that before today?
[17:26] <infinity> Bah, and all because of a symbols file update needed in setools.  Simple enough.
[19:06] <xnox> cjwatson: *sigh* sorry.....
[19:06] <xnox> cjwatson: i can't wait to do arm64be \o/ that should make up a little for not having ppc64 ;-)
[19:16]  * doko slaps xnox
[19:18]  * xnox "hit me baby one more time" =)
[19:19] <ScottK> doko: It doesn't help if they like it.
[19:21] <doko> liking is not enough


[09:09] <tormod> tseliot, can you please sponsor bug 410058?
[09:10] <tseliot> tormod: I would if I could. I'm not a core-dev yet. Sorry
[09:11] <tormod> tseliot: I see. I thought you were stepping in for Bryce while he's away... tjaalton maybe?
[09:11] <tseliot> tormod: yes, I'm filling in for Bryce but I have no upload privileges
[09:12] <tormod> must be a bit frustrating :) you get all the complaints but can not fix it
[09:12] <tseliot> yes, it is but I'm working on it ;)
[09:13] <tormod> good luck!
[09:13]  * tseliot hopes to become core-dev soonish
[09:13] <tseliot> thanks
[09:14] <tseliot> superm1: are you still awake?
[09:14] <superm1> tseliot, i most definitely shouldn't be, but i am
[09:15] <tseliot> superm1: can you sponsor tormod's fix, please?
[09:15] <superm1> tseliot, sorry, can't right now, i dont have my gpg key with this machine
[09:15] <tseliot> superm1: no problem, thanks anyway
[09:17] <tseliot> mvo, seb128: can either of you sponsor tormod's fix, please?
[09:17] <tseliot> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/32121459/xserver-xorg-video-ati_6.12.99%2Bgit20090825.fc74e119-0ubuntu2.debdiff
[09:18] <tormod> tseliot: maybe try pitti
[09:18] <tseliot> ok
[09:18] <mvo> sure
[09:18] <tseliot> ah
[09:18] <tseliot>  thanks mvo
[09:18] <mvo> does this needs to go into git too?
[09:19] <mvo> I guess not :)
[09:19] <mvo> but I want ot make sure
[09:19] <tormod> I am not sure git is updated anyway
[09:19] <mvo> ok
[09:20] <mvo> uploaded
[09:20] <tormod> thanks! btw there is no git tree for it
[09:21] <mvo> cool, even better
[21:38] <tormod> to what package should closed-source nvidia bugs be assigned?
[21:42] <tjaalton> tormod: depends on the driver used, but nvidia-graphics-drivers-*
[21:43] <tormod> ok, I just gave it to the -180 driver. Is there no common package, just to get it out of the way?
[21:43] <tormod> tjaalton, btw, you haven't forgot that savage upload?
[21:43] <tjaalton> nope. the "latest" driver should be renamed to just n-g-d for lucid
[21:43] <tjaalton> tormod: hehe, not forgotten, just didn't get to it yet
[21:45] <tormod> tjaalton, I thought you were not here, because your name is grayed out :)
[21:45] <tormod> was
[21:46] <tjaalton> I just happened to be "around"
[21:47] <tjaalton> I do check this irssi-instance once in a while
[21:47] <tormod> good to know :) are you in Portland?
[21:48] <tjaalton> nope, Fin-
[21:48] <tjaalton> :)
[21:53] <tjaalton> tormod: savage uploaded
[21:53] <tormod> tjaalton, thanks


[00:46] <jo-erlend> is there a limit to how many times a day you can build new versions of a package?
[00:47] <wgrant> jo-erlend: With a recipe I believe you can build only 5 times per series per day.
[00:47] <jo-erlend> I'm new at this, so I've been making small mistakes and I've had to upload versions of the package a few times. I did it now, and I was told it'll be built in 13 hours. :(
[00:48] <wgrant> 3/4 of the builders are currently testing kernel SRUs, so the queue is huge :/ with a bit of luck they will be given back tonight, and the queue will clear quickly.
[00:48] <wgrant> Have you tried test building locally?
[00:48] <wgrant> You should be doing that rather than uploading to Launchpad lots of times :)
[00:49] <jo-erlend> I haven't figured out how to do that yet :)
[00:49] <wgrant> Is this a recipe, or just a normal source package?
[00:49] <jo-erlend> well.. Both. I have added a recipe for it, but I've been uploading with quickly share because of small issues.
[00:50] <jo-erlend> nono, wait a minute. I'm confused. :).
[00:51] <jo-erlend> I've used bzr bd and then used dput to upload it to my PPA.
[00:51] <jo-erlend> but I don't know how to make a deb from it.
[00:52] <wgrant> How are you invoking bzr bd?
[00:52] <wgrant> bzr bd -S?
[00:52] <jo-erlend> yes, except there is an issue with my keys, so I need to use bzr bd -S -- -kkey.
[00:52] <wgrant> Drop the -S, and it will build binaries too :)
[00:53] <wgrant> You can't upload them, but you can check that it builds and then install them to check it works.
[00:57] <jo-erlend> wgrant, but the next time, if I want to upload to my PPA, but test it first... Do I need to run it twice, or can I run it without -S and then just upload as usual?
[00:57] <wgrant> jo-erlend: You need to run it twice. You can't upload binary+source to Launchpad.
[00:59] <jo-erlend> great. So I no longer have to wait for ages to see if my fixes works. :)
[06:34] <Linuxsapien> id like to talk to an admin please regarding my username change and openID issues please.
[06:38] <wgrant> Linuxsapien: What's up?
[06:38] <Linuxsapien> may I take it to a /query ?
[06:38] <wgrant> Sure.
[07:48] <gmb> losa ping
[07:48] <hloeung> gmb: hi, how can I help you?
[07:49] <gmb> hloeung: Howdy. I'm seeing a bunch of failed-to-run notifications for checkwatches on loganberry. Can you check to see if there's a stuck instance please? (It sometimes hangs and we've never been able to figure out why).
[07:49] <hloeung> gmb: sure
[07:50] <gmb> Ta
[07:50] <wgrant> We should probably get a pygdb backtrace from it at some point.
[07:53] <hloeung> gmb: there does appear to be some stuck checkwatches processes - http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/682410/
[07:54] <gmb> hloeung: Okay. You can kill it, it'll respawn on its own.
[07:55] <hloeung> gmb: done!
[07:55] <gmb> hloeung: Thanks :)
[08:44] <YoBoY> hi
[08:52] <YoBoY> I'm on a launchpad team using the launchpad mailing list. We now want to move elsewhere, there is a way to download the archives in first step and to delete the mailing list after that ?
[08:53] <FourDollars> Hi all, I just dput a package to a private PPA for one hour ago, but I didn't receive the response email. Anyone knows why?
[09:00] <bigjools> FourDollars: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/227
[09:00] <bigjools> grar
[09:00] <bigjools> (removing edge url) https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+faq/227
[09:01] <FourDollars> bigjools: Thanks
[09:07] <FourDollars> bigjools: I use 'dput --force' to upload again, and then I received the response email.
[09:08] <FourDollars> bigjools: I don't know what happens with lauchpad. However it works now. :)
[09:08] <bigjools> cool
[09:21] <Daviey> Estimated build time for PPA really 12 hours, plus one hour already waited?
[09:21] <wgrant> Daviey: I'm trying to work out who has all the builders.
[09:22] <Daviey> wgrant: super, thanks!
[09:23] <htorque> hello everyone! are there any tools available to check a bug's status from the command line? i'd like to retrieve the current bug states of a list of ~300 bug numbers.
[09:23] <wgrant> htorque: https://help.launchpad.net/API
[09:24] <htorque> wgrant: ah, even better. thanks!
[09:35] <Daviey> htorque: http://pb.daviey.com/P989/ etc.
[09:40] <htorque> Daviey: thanks :)
[12:50] <Laney> what does Upgrade Packages do on +localpackagediffs?
[13:03] <tumbleweed> bigjools: ^
[13:22] <bigjools> tumbleweed: Laney: There is no Upgrade Packages any more
[13:23] <Laney> bigjools: just waiting for a deployment to go away?
[13:23] <bigjools> Laney: it was released ages ago, not sure how you are seeing it
[13:23] <Laney> bigjools: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+localpackagediffs?field.name_filter=&field.package_type=all&field.package_type-empty-marker=1 there
[13:23] <bigjools> the button does a massive sync source
[13:24] <bigjools> I won't see it, I am not an archive admin
[13:24] <Laney> nor am I
[13:24] <Laney> I am on the release team though?
[13:24] <bigjools> wtf
[13:24] <bigjools> I can see it
[13:24] <wgrant> bigjools: There was a bug in the template fixed a couple of hours ago.
[13:24] <bigjools> wgrant: how did it get back?
[13:25] <bigjools> in fact both buttons are there
[13:25] <bigjools> I can guess ...
[13:25] <wgrant> bigjools: I don't know details, I just saw a diff fly past. For those two buttons it was evaluating a method rather than calling it.
[13:25] <wgrant> So it always ended up True.
[13:25] <bigjools> that old chestnut
[13:32] <Laney> :-)
[13:38] <bjsnider> when someone submits a bug, do the maintainers in the control file automatically get emailed?
[13:39] <wgrant> bjsnider: No.
[13:39] <wgrant> bjsnider: As the maintainer is usually inherited from Debian, that would be spamming the wrong people.
[13:39] <bjsnider> alright, who does get emailed?
[13:40] <wgrant> Anybody who has subscribed to the package.
[13:40] <wgrant> You can see a list at eg. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+subscribe
[13:40] <wgrant> On the right.
[13:42] <bjsnider> i know you can see the list, but i'm wondering how that list gets created
[13:43] <bjsnider> if someone is on a launchpad team, and the team publishes packages, and one of those packages is bugged, do all members get emails?
[13:44] <wgrant> bjsnider: People must explicitly subscribe themselves or the teams that they administer.
[13:46] <bjsnider> if it's a bug upstream, does someone get around to notifying the developers?
[13:47] <wgrant> #ubuntu-bugs is a better place for that sort of question.
[15:58] <Mez> How often does the upload
[15:58] <Mez> I'm trying
[15:58] <Mez> grr
[15:58]  * Mez starts again
[15:58] <Mez> I'm trying to upload to a PPA.  My key expired - I've just updated it on keyserver.ubuntu.com - how long will this take to get through to allow me to upload?
[16:02] <bigjools> just checking for you
[16:02] <bigjools> Mez: should be pretty instant
[16:18] <Mez> Still wont let me :(
[16:18] <Mez> Oh, never mind - it has let me.