[02:50] <grantbow> I think I have the right night. Meeting is scheduled to start in about 10 minutes, right?
[02:52] <rww> grantbow: assuming the wiki's correct, yes
[02:52]  * rww hasn't gotten around to putting his Ubuntu meeting reminders in Google Calendar yet :(
[02:57] <pleia2> yep
[02:58] <grantbow> pleia2: I am almost certain I am bannerless. I checked and didn't find any.
[02:59] <pleia2> grantbow: ok, maybe jdeslip has it
[02:59] <jdeslip> grantbow: I must have it
[02:59] <pleia2> :)
[02:59] <jdeslip> I'll look tonight
[02:59] <pleia2> thanks
[02:59]  * grantbow waves
[03:00] <pleia2> ok, meeting time!
[03:00] <jdeslip> I think the last time we used it was the Maker Faire
[03:00] <pleia2> Agenda is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11January30
[03:00] <pleia2> the only thing we have on it is SCaLE planning
[03:00] <pleia2> we've been updating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x as we get more details
[03:01] <pleia2> we just received the booth pack from the SCaLE folks this week, so we have exhibitor badges now
[03:01] <dragon> Announcements after this item?
[03:01] <pleia2> the exhibitor badge gets you in the conference for free, we have 10 of them and can request more as needed
[03:01] <pleia2> dragon: yes
[03:02] <pleia2> so anyone who is volunteering at our booth can get one, just let me know and I'll send you the info
[03:02] <pleia2> if you want to attend but can't help at the booth much, we also have a 50% off code: UBUCA
[03:03] <pleia2> I don't have any news beyond that really, just trying to get together a full list of stuff we're bringing (banner, table signs, etc) and adding them to the wiki as needed
[03:04] <dragon> Does this pass include entry to presentations and such sessions?
[03:04] <pleia2> dragon: yes
[03:05] <pleia2> you just sign up like regular, and at the end to pay for your ticket (including mentoring, whatever else you want) you put in the exhibitor code (different than a coupon code)
[03:06] <dragon> (the table of names on the wiki page has four columns for some reason :/)
[03:06] <pleia2> I think someone did that to make it easier to read, since it's just names
[03:07] <dragon> A bulleted list might be ideal for this. I can make the change, or I can add my name and leave the rest untouched.
[03:07] <pleia2> ok, feel free to change it
[03:07] <rww> I was wondering about that when I saw it too :\
[03:08] <pleia2> anyone else have questions, news, etc regarding scale?
[03:09] <pleia2> erichammond: just talking about scale, any news, questions, comments from you?
[03:09] <erichammond> I have blank CDs
[03:09] <erichammond> And wifi router
[03:09] <jdeslip> I can also burn some disks
[03:10] <pleia2> jdeslip: when you know how many, can you add to the wiki? ( erichammond already added his)
[03:10] <erichammond> Will be able to be in booth some, but can't commit to specific times or amounts in advance
[03:10] <pleia2> specific times will be tricky without a speaking schedule
[03:10] <pleia2> I suspect we'll play it by ear
[03:11] <erichammond> They usually put up a schedule before the event
[03:11] <pleia2> that'll be useful
[03:12] <jdeslip> pleia2: ya
[03:12] <erichammond> Might be useful to put together some talking points for booth volunteers.
[03:12] <pleia2> yeah
[03:13] <erichammond> Might help get more volunteers as some folks may not be sure what to say when somebody just walks up.
[03:13] <pleia2> I'll be printing up some little fliers with all the team info on it too (I'll add to the wiki once I have a better idea what all I'm printing)
[03:14] <erichammond> I'm st
[03:14] <erichammond> Still thinking about what it would take to put together a security cam demo. No promises there either
[03:15] <pleia2> yeah, that would be cool :)
[03:15] <icarus> what do you mean?
[03:16] <erichammond> Do we know how many computers and monitors will be available?
[03:16] <jdeslip> (I can confirm I have the banner)
[03:16] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale9x edited
[03:17] <erichammond> Icarus: one or two video cameras with security recording and monitoring software running on Ubuntu.
[03:17] <pleia2> jdeslip: thanks :)
[03:17] <grantbow> jdeslip: thanks
[03:18] <pleia2> ok, so we've got one more meeting before scale and a few weeks to get things together for the booth
[03:18] <pleia2> anyone else have anything, or shall we move on?
[03:19] <pleia2> alrighty, announcements & other stuff
[03:19] <pleia2> as usual, http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california has our upcoming events
[03:19] <pleia2> other announcements, comments, etc?
[03:21] <pleia2> dragon: did you have anything?
[03:21] <dragon> yes pleia2, a little announcements
[03:21] <pleia2> go for it :)
[03:21] <dragon> s/s$//
[03:21] <dragon> LAMP Meetup group has an open slot for presentations to the community interested in web development and generally not-so-pro at Linux. We have the place reserved for *Thu, Feb 17*, so in case you have something related to LAMP that you'd like to present, please contact me asap. Even better if it relates to Ubuntu. Will give out free Ubuntu CDs at the event as usual.
[03:22] <pleia2> dragon: do you need any pressed CDs, or are you good?
[03:22] <dragon> pleia2: a few more would be great. ~20?
[03:23] <pleia2> sure, we can talk about how to get them to you later :)
[03:23] <dragon> sounds good, thanks!
[03:24] <pleia2> oh, I almost forgot, for SCaLE canonical shipped out 100 Ubuntu and 100 Kubuntu CDs for us
[03:25] <grantbow> nice
[03:25] <dragon> That's going to help. How many are we burning for SCaLE, approx?
[03:25] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck is bringing all the .iso files on a computer and erichammond is bringing at least 200 blanks, jdeslip said he'd bring some
[03:26] <pleia2> if you want to bring more just update the wiki with your totals so we have some idea
[03:26] <dragon> And there was that program our team started creating for a CD burning station - 'buntu stand?
[03:27] <pleia2> I don't know about that
[03:27] <grantbow> https://launchpad.net/buntustand
[03:28] <pleia2> neat
[03:28] <grantbow> python based distributed but there was a library not checked in for awhile when last I tried to run it.
[03:29] <grantbow> distributed meaning many machines burning as a team over the network
[03:29] <rww> I think that project's... dormant.
[03:29] <erichammond> If we are burning CDs then we also need cd covers.
[03:29] <pleia2> yeah, I think it's safe to say it's not something we'll be able to use at scale
[03:29]  * akk whispers ... copy to USB sticks!
[03:30] <grantbow> Maybe someone will get inspired again but I wouldn't count on it.
[03:30] <pleia2> are the cd sleeves updated for 10.10 and 11.04?
[03:30] <pleia2> akk: even in bulk USB sticks are too expensive for us to give away :(
[03:30] <pleia2> CDs are super cheap
[03:30] <jdeslip> I can print 300 or cd covers
[03:30] <akk> pleia2: I didn't say provide free USB sticks, I said copy to them -- like if somoene comes by with one and wants ubuntu on it.
[03:31] <rww> ^ this worked well last year
[03:31] <pleia2> akk: oh yeah, that's easy :)
[03:31] <akk> It would be way faster than burning CDs, and more useful for most people (except folks with old computers).
[03:31] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck will have all the isos
[03:31] <jdeslip> sounds good
[03:31] <pleia2> also, do we want to update the sleeves with the new branding before scale? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/CDSleeves
[03:31] <dragon> Is it just me, or is System > About Ubuntu actually displaying "You are using Ubuntu 11.04 - the Natty Narwhal - released in April 2011..."
[03:31] <grantbow> more and more machines boot from USB now, and for those that don't there's a few work arounds, one of which I used a few weeks back
[03:31]  * akk would quite like natty burned onto a USB stick, if someone's set up at the booth to make them ... way easier than struggling with making one myself
[03:32] <erichammond> I can print a hunted or two once the design is updated
[03:32] <erichammond> Er, hundred
[03:32] <jdeslip> The latest design does have 10.10 I think
[03:33] <jdeslip> (at least I got some from grantbow that had 10.10)
[03:33] <pleia2> jdeslip: yeah, I think we want to include 11.04 if we're printing up a bunch
[03:33] <pleia2> and new font would be nice
[03:33] <jdeslip> ah, oko
[03:33] <rww> dragon: /msg ubottu !version-bug
[03:34] <grantbow> jdeslip: compliments of Mr. Paoli
[03:34] <dragon> thanks rww!
[03:34] <rww> (join an ubottu channel if you aren't already in one, or that won't work)
[03:34] <pleia2> ok, well I'll take a look at the sleeves in bzr this week and see what we need to do to get them ready
[03:35] <dragon> rww: figured ;)
[03:35] <dragon> I can print hundreds of b/w sleeves. Please let me know if that'll help.
[03:36] <pleia2> ok, so jdeslip, erichammond and dragon all are able to do sleeve printing
[03:36] <grantbow> dragon: that will help :-)
[03:36] <pleia2> I'll let you guys know when I get the sleeve design sorted and you can work out who is printing what
[03:36] <jdeslip> sounds good
[03:36] <grantbow> awesome
[03:37] <dragon> +1
[03:37] <erichammond> Scale gets bigger every year. Do we have records of how many CDs we distributed in years past?
[03:39] <nhaines> Note that last year's SCaLE attendance was approximately 1400 and the target for this year is only 1500.
[03:40] <erichammond> Ubuntu also gets more name recognition so might get a larger share of interest.
[03:40] <pleia2> we don't have records AFAIK
[03:41] <erichammond> At some point, everybody will have Ubuntu installed so nobody will want a cd :)
[03:41] <pleia2> last year there was an Ubucon too, which isn't happening this time
[03:41] <grantbow> aha, lp:buntustand should compile now according to the checkin comments
[03:42] <grantbow> s/compile/interpret/
[03:42] <erichammond> I thought there were several hundred CDs distributed a year or two ago. Not sure, though.
[03:44] <grantbow> anything else?
[03:45] <pleia2> I'm ready to wrap up
[03:45] <nhaines> Note that buntustand is written in Python and cannot be compiled.
[03:46] <nhaines> Also note that there are records of the CD numbers for every SCaLE we've attended.
[03:46] <pleia2> nhaines: where? ( erichammond was asking)
[03:46] <pleia2> I was looking on the past scale pages but maybe I missed it
[03:47] <nhaines> pleia2: although the LoCo Council has forbidden post-event debriefing meetings, those logs should contain CD estimates.
[03:47] <pleia2> what?
[03:47] <grantbow> ?
[03:47] <pleia2> post-event debriefings are great :)
[03:48] <nhaines> I thought so too and was rebuked.
[03:48] <pleia2> I think you misunderstood :(
[03:48] <nhaines> I hightly doubt it.
[03:48] <rww> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/09March08
[03:48] <pleia2> thanks rww
[03:48] <akk> Surely it's not forbidden to get together and talk about how well an event went?
[03:48] <nhaines> As regards Southern Califoria Ubucon, I'm currently hoping for an independant event this summer.
[03:48] <pleia2> akk: no, that's crazy
[03:49] <nhaines> akk: that's what they said.  It was a waste of time and should be abandoned.
[03:49] <pleia2> nhaines: that's not true :(
[03:49] <nhaines> pleia2: It is.  They said if an event is mentioned afterwards in a blog then it should not be discussed at a meeting under any circumstances.
[03:49] <pleia2> the didn't like that we had super long meetings which insisted upon attendence of key volunteers for every event to do a wrap-up
[03:49]  * pleia2 sighs
[03:49] <pleia2> I give up
[03:50] <nhaines> That's what a  debriefing is.
[03:50] <erichammond> Lost me.
[03:50] <pleia2> anyway, it's fine to talk about events
[03:50]  * nhaines shrugs.
[03:50] <rww> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/08February24 for SCaLE7x
[03:50] <pleia2> thanks rww :)
[03:50] <pleia2> ok, from the 8x notes:
[03:50] <akk> So maybe it can't be a formal part of a council meeting that requires attendance of council members ... which isn't quite the same as saying folks can't talk about what worked and what didn't.
[03:50] <pleia2> Handed out about 150 CDs (compared to 120 last year), which is notable considering that Canonical was also handing out CDs there. Have about 100 pressed 8.10 desktop 32bit CDs left from the 200 Canonical gave us.
[03:50] <rww> it's a shame that nobody ended up doing meeting summaries when I stopped, btw. They're rather useful.
[03:50] <grantbow> anything else?
[03:51] <pleia2> yeah, if someone could take up writing meeting minutes again it would be great (I already have a giant administrative load)
[03:52] <pleia2> I think we're done :)
[03:52] <rww> just need a /really/ bored college student to go rampaging through the archive. is what I did ;P
[03:52] <pleia2> heheh
[03:52] <grantbow> Thanks everyone for participating.
[03:52] <pleia2> thanks everyone
[03:52] <rww> (the 2010 meetings on the Meetings page should be moved to Meetings/2010, btw. if anyone's looking for some wiki work to do)
[03:53] <pleia2> yeah, I just haven't had a chance yet
[03:53] <pleia2> sorry :\
[03:53] <rww> not a big deal, was just pointing it out in case nobody had noticed yet
[03:55] <jdeslip> rww: you mean the sending of the summary to the mailing list right?
[03:56] <rww> jdeslip: no, I mean summarizing meetings on the wiki like we (I) used to. sending them to the ML would be nice too, though.
[03:58] <jdeslip> Ah, I see that now on the MeetingsChecklist
[03:58] <dragon> btw /Meetings/110130 might be a bit more sortable|parsable|machine-readable than /Meetings/11January30
[03:58] <dragon> just a thought.
[03:58] <jdeslip> I guess no one has been doing the "A Few Days After The Meeting" part
[03:59] <pleia2> right
[03:59] <rww> dragon: I'd have gone with 2011-01-30, but by the time I started poking at meeting pages, there was already a year or two of existing meetings :(
[03:59] <dragon> ah, fair enough
[03:59] <jdeslip> Well, any volunteers wouldn't be turned away :)
[04:00] <dragon> though 2011 might be a good point to switch
[04:00] <rww> so that, you know, when the LoCo has meetings in the year 3000, they're sorted properly.
[04:00] <rww> 2100 **
[04:00] <pleia2> we've already had 2 meetings ;)
[04:00] <pleia2> (now 3)
[04:00] <jdeslip> Ok, good night all
[04:01] <dragon> night all!
[04:17] <iheartubuntu> Do any of you still use dial up service?
[04:18] <iheartubuntu> I am wondering. Lets say Im in Egypt and the presidential "kill switch" is triggered. How will I get online?  Unless you're dialing long-distance to your US ISP?
[04:21] <iheartubuntu> hhmmm. or even a foreign ISP
[04:21] <iheartubuntu> I found several free isp phone #'s for California.
[04:21] <iheartubuntu> There looks like a good article in PC World about this. I havent read it yet tho... http://www.pcworld.com/article/218155/get_internet_access_when_your_government_shuts_it_down.html
[04:22] <rww> Egyptians are using foreign dialup, I think.
[04:22] <rww> plus I think one or two ISPs work
[04:22] <iheartubuntu> this article mentions a wireless mesh network.  I'm hoping to go to the one in Feb.
[21:31] <DarkwingDuck> Scale is n feb.
[21:31] <DarkwingDuck> n/in
[21:31] <jamiedmattingly> ok my mistake got dates mixed up
[21:31] <DarkwingDuck> jamiedmattingly: it's at the end of Feb
[21:32] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[21:32] <SWonderly> Leave it to my husband to correct the dates.
[21:32] <SWonderly> gotta run real quick. Will be back soon to talk.
[22:02] <SWonderly> ok. I'm back.
[23:59] <jbermudes> pleia2: do you still need volunteers for SCaLE?
[23:59] <pleia2> jbermudes: yep!


[16:17] <ubu> selam
[16:18] <ubu> selam ademoglu  aykut_  ElixirVitae  hasanakgoz Kartagis ogny turgay zippo^
[16:19] <zippo^> ubu, i cannot read turkish language :/
[16:20] <ubu> :) np I don't know english
[16:23] <zippo^> why don't you know english?
[16:23] <ubu> why don't you know Turkish?
[16:24] <zippo^> because i have never learned turkish for school
[16:25] <zippo^> *from
[16:26] <zippo^> and you ?
[16:30] <ubu> I learned mr&mrs brown :)
[16:32] <zippo^> what are that?
[16:37] <turgay> :)
[16:49] <hasanakgoz> :)
[17:00] <ElixirVitae> :>
[17:00] <ElixirVitae> One can claim to have learned English if an only if Browns were involved.
[18:32] <amanbeneolacakk> rsdfgfd
[20:05] <zippo^> ah i see
[20:05] <zippo^> :> is the bird? :/
[20:15] <ElixirVitae> :> is a smiley, albeit mischievous.
[20:16] <ElixirVitae> And Mr.&Mrs. Bronwn is a filler name in Turkish books that teach English.
[20:16] <ElixirVitae> So, it is understandable that reference is lost on you zippo^.
[20:54] <zippo^> ah i see
[20:54] <zippo^> ok
[20:58] <zippo^> ElixirVitae, I have told my sister that I am vegetarian.  my sister, her husband and children eat meat. I asked her: Do you try a vegetatisch too. she said difficult, because animals have been created for humans to eat.. I said that that are A OLD-FASHONED FOR CONSERVATIVE TURKISH CULTURE. i said that I think that I am more progressive person only of all family :-P
[20:59] <zippo^> I want always try or is it possible. but they cannot try :/
[21:02] <Sky-linux> S.a
[21:02] <ElixirVitae> zippo^, I believe when one consumes animal (or plant, for that matter) they give a chance to the mere animal to ascend to the level of humans.
[21:03] <Sky-linux> ne diyo arkadaþ
[21:03] <ElixirVitae> I mean this in both physical and spiritual realm.
[21:03] <zippo^> hahaha i can life without meat to eat :P
[21:03] <ElixirVitae> Sky-linux, hoşgeldin.
[21:03] <Sky-linux> h.b
[21:05] <zippo^> Good night madam (or sir?) Sky-linux  (by you is 24.00 and here is 23.00) (-:
[21:05] <Sky-linux> good night
[21:05] <Sky-linux> mösyö
[21:05] <ElixirVitae> Sure you can, zippo^. But it will be bland, tasteless :)
[21:07] <zippo^> for me no, because I am often crying if someone make dead parents animals example cow, chicken... and animals children are crying because people have murder then parents, ElixirVitae
[21:15] <zippo^> I love animals :)
[21:43] <Sky-linux> çalýþma amAçlý shell hesabý bulabilir miyim online
[21:56] <zippo^> ElixirVitae --> https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/t1.0-9/550829_10150978018744374_600965145_n.jpg this was i 7-8 years old :)
[21:57] <hasanakgoz> http://koding.com ufak bir tane sanal makine veriyor populer programlama dilleri ile çalışma ortamı sunuyor
[21:57] <ElixirVitae> Pimp cane!
[21:59] <zippo^> what?
[22:01] <ElixirVitae> Nice costume, with cane and all.
[22:02] <ElixirVitae> I was circumcised when I was still an infant, so had no canes or crowns~
[22:02] <zippo^> really?
[22:03] <ElixirVitae> Yeah.
[22:05] <zippo^> )-: pity that no beautiful rembemer is


[00:36] <kwwii> _MMA_: dude!
[00:36] <_MMA_> yo yo
[00:36] <kwwii> good to see you again
[00:37] <kwwii> I am in barcelona at the all-hands canonical meeting before UDS
[00:37] <_MMA_> I'm always connected, just not in channel. ;)
[00:37] <kwwii> last night, weekend off here tomorrow and totally drunk
[00:37] <_MMA_> kwwii: Ahh...
[00:37] <kwwii> :p
[00:37] <_MMA_> hahahahahhaa
[00:37] <kwwii> rolling one now, and then going to bed
[00:37] <_MMA_> !
[00:37] <_MMA_> :P
[00:38] <kwwii> will you be online over the weekend?
[00:38] <_MMA_> Yep. Not much planned beyond getting the Breathe updates done and setting up things for release.
[00:39] <kwwii> cool, I will taking a tour of the city with ted gould and neil patel on saturday but Neil and I will be working through on sunday getting UNR things starte
[00:39] <kwwii> d
[00:39] <_MMA_> kwwii: Fun. Luke there?
[00:40] <kwwii> yeah, we had the jam session for allhands tonight and he played basically everything
[00:40] <_MMA_> Killer. Tell him I said hi.
[00:40] <Viper550> I was working on a wallpaper for that Ark Linux KDE 4
[00:40] <kwwii> will do
[00:41] <Viper550> http://imagebin.ca/img/hHj61bX.jpg
[00:41] <kwwii> we all got chumby's tonight as a gift
[00:41] <kwwii> pretty cool
[00:41] <_MMA_> :P
[00:42] <_MMA_> Viper550: Your previous Ubuntu work is better.
[00:42] <Viper550> I never actually did Kubuntu work...
[00:42] <Viper550> but anyway...like the wallpaper? made it myself
[00:43] <kwwii> looks pretty cool
[00:43] <kwwii> anyway, time for sleep now
[00:43] <_MMA_> Night man.
[00:43] <kwwii> see you all on the weekend
[00:43] <kwwii> _MMA_: hope to see you soon
[00:43]  * _MMA_ will be lurking.
[00:44] <kwwii> coo
[00:44] <kwwii> l
[00:44] <kwwii> coo-el
[00:47] <kwwii> one last thing, I assume everyone heard that we got android apps running on ubuntu UNR right?
[00:47] <kwwii> and plasma as well
[00:47] <_MMA_> ;)
[00:48] <kwwii> anyway...time again for sleep
[00:48] <kwwii> night all
[00:52] <knome> night kwwii
[10:29] <kn100> hi, im interested in helping,
[23:15] <kn100> is anyone here
[23:15] <SiDi> yes
[23:16] <SiDi> 19 persons including you
[23:16]  * SiDi hides
[23:16] <kn100> haha!
[23:16] <kn100> i mean
[23:17] <kn100> the last time i was here there were 21 people online but bobdy said hi
[23:17] <kn100> i am interested in helping you guys with artwork
[23:19] <SiDi> hm
[23:19] <kn100> i don't know where to start :)
[23:19] <SiDi> that last time was this afternoon right ? :P
[23:19] <kn100> i cant remember
[23:19] <SiDi> Well, just post what you've done in the past on the mailing list, with a short introduction about yourself ?
[23:20] <kn100> what like past projects?
[23:20] <SiDi> And if you have ideas for karmic wallpapers/themes, just go on and post mockups on the wiki
[23:20] <kn100> thats cool
[23:20] <kn100> what colours are you guys looking for in karmic?
[23:20] <SiDi> anything
[23:20] <SiDi> noone knows yet what colors will be used in karmic
[23:21] <SiDi> just work with what you think to be great :)
[23:21] <kn100> im just begging its not going to be *ugh* brown
[23:21] <kn100> well i will make a wallpaper and post it on the wiki
[23:21] <SiDi> Don't know :p Xubuntu is likely to be blue though :D
[23:21] <SiDi> for wallpapers, try to work either in svg, or in png with 2560x1600 screen res
[23:22] <SiDi> if i'm not wrong that should be the biggest ratio/resolution aimed
[23:22] <kn100> i cant do SVG's
[23:23] <kn100> i can do PNG's at that resolution though
[23:23] <SiDi> i cant do anything above 1000x1000, which is already hardly challenging me :)
[23:23] <SiDi> i just gave up on wallpapers
[23:23] <kn100> hehe
[23:23] <kn100> i use fireworks for all my deskign work
[23:24] <SiDi> ouch
[23:24] <SiDi> hm, i think some people might be unhappy if you dont use open source software :)
[23:24] <kn100> how would they know :p
[23:24] <SiDi> because open source software should be promoted with open source tools
[23:24] <SiDi> they'll know :P
[23:24] <kn100> plus imho gimp sucks
[23:24] <SiDi> its interface sucks, as far as im concerned
[23:24] <kn100> and come on, its a wallpaper
[23:25] <kn100> fireworks to the rescue
[23:25] <SiDi> but honnestly, if i prefer firefox to it, i consider fireworks much more limited ;) and i used it ;)
[23:25] <SiDi> photoshop, not firefox
[23:25] <SiDi>  /tired
[23:25] <kn100> i love fireworks
[23:25] <kn100> i been using fireworks for years
[23:25] <kn100> for all my design work
[23:26] <kn100> great software
[23:26] <kn100> plus it runs great in wine
[23:29] <kn100> how does green sound for ubuntu karmic
[23:29] <SiDi> Go for it
[23:29] <SiDi> Community stuff doesnt have to stick to Canonical's colour choices anyways :)
[23:30] <kn100> canonical are mad arent they
[23:30] <kn100> brown
[23:30] <kn100> lol
[23:30] <SiDi> no, theyre not
[23:30] <SiDi> its actually a lovely color for a desktop :)
[23:30] <SiDi> most neutral you'll find
[23:31] <kn100> horrible IMHO
[23:31] <kn100> my desktop is either black or green
[23:36] <kn100> as you can see by me desktop http://i40.tinypic.com/2lx4wg.png
[23:36] <kn100> thats the second time today the screenshotter has ignored my dock and panels
[23:36] <kn100> http://i44.tinypic.com/29nuiqh.png that is my desktop :)
[23:37] <SiDi> spotify \o/
[23:37] <kn100> spotify rocks
[23:38] <kn100> http://open.spotify.com/user/kn100/playlist/6WKIIE9GHb4mlD7wXKPebT my collab playlist :)
[23:38] <SiDi> Mine's sexier :p but it's "The pretiest of all *buntus" ™
[23:38] <kn100> lets see
[23:39] <SiDi> i dont even know how to open someone else's playlist :O
[23:39] <kn100> click it, copy the address that comes up into the search field
[23:39] <kn100> one caveat of running it in wine
[23:39] <kn100> firefox wont interact with it and i cant figure out how to make it
[23:40] <SiDi> Sweet
[23:40] <SiDi> http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/5512/captureqfd.png
[23:41] <kn100> very nice
[23:41] <kn100> i like mine though :P
[23:41] <SiDi> :P
[23:41] <kn100> do you make artwork for ubuntu?
[23:41] <SiDi> Nope :)
[23:42] <SiDi> I just port some metacity themes to xfce when i find time for it
[23:42] <SiDi> and i watch xubuntu artwork (making sure our art guy works fine, isnt it knome ? :D)
[23:44] <kn100> hehe
[23:44] <kn100> im wondering whether i should put a koala in my desktop bg


[15:56]  * james_w waves
[15:57]  * liw waves in 180 seconds
[15:59] <evand> hi
[15:59] <robbiew> #startmeeting
[15:59] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:59. The chair is robbiew.
[15:59] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:59] <robbiew> hi
[16:00] <TheMuso> Hey folks.
[16:00] <mvo_> hello
[16:00] <robbiew> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2009/0225#Agenda
[16:00] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2009/0225#Agenda
[16:01] <cjwatson> afternoon
[16:01] <robbiew> doko: evand: james_w: liw: slangasek: Keybuk: joining?
[16:02] <Keybuk> no, I thought I'd sit this one out ... ;)
[16:02] <robbiew> heh
[16:02] <james_w> we have an option?
[16:02] <liw> robbiew, "* liw waves in 180 seconds" before you joined :)
[16:02] <evand> you joined after I said hi :)
[16:02] <doko> here
[16:02] <robbiew> ah
[16:02] <robbiew> liw: evand: apologies
[16:02] <Keybuk> it's like at school
[16:02] <Keybuk> when you're sitting at the back of the class
[16:02] <Keybuk> and the teacher doesn't notice you're there
[16:02]  * robbiew had last minute agenda hacking to do
[16:02] <evand> no worries
[16:03] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Jaunty Alpha 5
[16:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Jaunty Alpha 5
[16:04] <robbiew> http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+bugs?field.milestone:Alist=2213
[16:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+bugs?field.milestone:Alist=2213
[16:04] <mvo_> I will need to push mine back to alpha-6
[16:04] <robbiew> 3 bugs...not mad
[16:04] <robbiew> mvo_: heh, figured that...with your update manager work :)
[16:05] <mvo_> yeah, I also need to figure out how to setup such a system to actually test the change :)
[16:05] <robbiew> ec2?
[16:05] <robbiew> joking
[16:05] <mvo_> lol
[16:06] <mvo_> its the anther to all possible questions (plus three more): ec2!
[16:07] <robbiew> anyone else have major Alpha 5 stuff?
[16:07] <robbiew> code drops that could break everything
[16:07] <robbiew> :P
[16:07] <Keybuk> I'm queuing mine for Friday
[16:07] <cjwatson> alpha 5 has needed a bit of late work due to hal blowing up
[16:07] <cjwatson> sound kind of didn't
[16:08] <cjwatson> pitti was on that earlier today, so I think everything should be in place RSN
[16:08] <TheMuso> cjwatson: sound kind of didn't blow up you mean?
[16:08] <cjwatson> or that :)
[16:08] <cjwatson> but I meant sound kind of didn't sound
[16:08] <TheMuso> oh
[16:09]  * TheMuso hasn't fetched updates yet, so has no idea of what could be going on yet
[16:09] <cjwatson> it was a side-effect of the smbios work in hal
[16:09] <cjwatson> AIUI, anyway, I haven't looked into it since pitti was on top of it
[16:09] <TheMuso> ah ok
[16:09] <james_w> apparently it's building or being published now
[16:10]  * TheMuso will read changes
[16:10] <cjwatson> I took the opportunity to respin d-i since ogra was asking for that; apparently they're under a lot of pressure to deliver something that basically works for a5, and there was a kernel upload after the last d-i upload
[16:11] <robbiew> anything else?
[16:11] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Jaunty Feature Status
[16:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Jaunty Feature Status
[16:12] <robbiew> not much to really cover here
[16:12] <robbiew> everything looks in pretty good shape
[16:12] <cjwatson> slangasek: here, regarding those last couple of specs?
[16:13]  * james_w is waiting on final approval for his specs, but they look in good shape for that, so I'm not particularly blocked
[16:13] <robbiew> yeah...those are the ones I wanted to chat about
[16:13]  * robbiew will have to cover in our 1-to-1 later today
[16:14] <robbiew> cjwatson: he reported that the grub2 spec is ready for approval
[16:14] <robbiew> liw: any updates on the package licensing stuff?
[16:14] <cjwatson> ok, please poke me explicitly if there's anything else that's waiting on me
[16:14] <cjwatson> and I will make sure it gets done
[16:14] <robbiew> ok
[16:14] <liw> robbiew, I have a first draft of the API, based on the spec in the Debian wiki, and I'm looking for someone from OEM to discuss the API with
[16:14]  * evand would like to land a new Wubi and umenu, which we're tracking in bug 334244
[16:15] <liw> robbiew, the spec itself is slangasek's, I think
[16:15] <james_w> cjwatson, I was under the impression I was waiting for you on one, is that correct?
[16:15] <robbiew> liw: ok
[16:15]  * robbiew looks for the OEM contact
[16:15] <cjwatson> james_w: so you are. queued
[16:16] <james_w> thanks cjwatson
[16:16] <robbiew> evand: were you just giving status or making a request? :)
[16:17] <evand> giving status, slangasek is already aware of it
[16:18] <robbiew> ah, ok
[16:18] <robbiew> fyi
[16:18] <robbiew> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Jaunty#Feature Status
[16:18] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Jaunty#Feature Status
[16:18] <robbiew> also tracking Release bugs there
[16:18] <robbiew> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Jaunty#RC Bugs
[16:18] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/ReleaseStatus/Jaunty#RC Bugs
[16:18] <cjwatson> we're using this as input for the weekly release meeting
[16:19] <robbiew> my ultimate plan is for every platform team to have one, should help slangasek move the meeting along faster
[16:20] <robbiew> moving on
[16:20] <robbiew> http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+bugs
[16:20] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+bugs
[16:20] <robbiew> 88 bugs here
[16:21] <doko> ohh, wait, before going on with the python2.6 move, I'd like to ask here about it ...
[16:21] <robbiew> ah
[16:21] <robbiew> yes
[16:21] <doko> I did remove python2.5 on my laptop
[16:22] <robbiew> and?  did it go to hell in a hand basket?
[16:22] <robbiew> :)
[16:22] <doko> works fine (or I don't use python)
[16:23] <james_w> doko: you are considering that for Jaunty?
[16:23] <doko> james_w: yes
[16:23] <james_w> seems odd to make 2.6 the only version in the same release it is introduced
[16:23] <james_w> or have I misunderstood?
[16:23] <doko> james_w: no, just switching the default, not dropping 2.5
[16:24] <liw> why would that be odd?
[16:24] <james_w> doko: ah, that seems fine
[16:24] <robbiew> james_w: would have 3.0, 2.5, and 2.6...with 2.6 by default
[16:24] <robbiew> :)
[16:24] <james_w> liw: I was just thinking it would force developers to port their own code to 2.6 with no real alternative when upgrading, not that it's too much work
[16:25] <james_w> the proposed solution sounds fine to me
[16:25] <doko> cjwatson: I would like to see us to "support" something as a build-dependency, but not as a dependency (then we could get rid of the discussion about demoting non-default python versions=
[16:25] <cjwatson> doko: we can do that, we just have no way to indicate it to users
[16:26] <cjwatson> doko: we can't do any better until after archivereorganisation (second phase)
[16:26] <cjwatson> i.e. it still has to stay in main
[16:27] <cjwatson> my guess is that the biggest practical problem in terms of number of programs affected is the removal of string exceptions
[16:27] <cjwatson> remind me when that was deprecated?
[16:27] <cjwatson> http://docs.python.org/whatsnew/2.6.html#porting-to-python-2-6
[16:27] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://docs.python.org/whatsnew/2.6.html#porting-to-python-2-6
[16:27] <doko> yes, pitti got bitten by this
[16:28] <liw> cjwatson, 2.0?
[16:28] <cjwatson> but realistically, we have to switch the default at some point, and people running code in production should be testing first ... I'm OK as long as we can be reasonably confident we've ported everything in Ubuntu
[16:28] <cjwatson> (or at least everything anyone might care about)
[16:29] <liw> ah now, string exceptions were depreceatd only in 2.5
[16:30] <james_w> do you find out about that at compile time, or just when you hit the exception?
[16:30] <cjwatson> I think they've been disrecommended since I started using Python (so, er, 2.2 or 2.3?)
[16:30] <liw> I remember them being disrecommended since 2.0, but I might be wrong
[16:30] <liw> james_w, given that Python is a dynamically typed language, at run time I'm pretty sure
[16:31] <james_w> which is not ideal
[16:31] <robbiew> doko: Keybuk: do you want to discuss the i486 versus i586/i686 arch support here? For boot performance
[16:32] <TheMuso> I maintain a couple of packages that use python/have python bindings. What do I have to do to switch them to 2.6, since it doesn't seem they were touched in doko's mass uploads.
[16:32] <Keybuk> robbiew: if you like
[16:32]  * robbiew waits for a response to question from TheMuso
[16:32] <TheMuso> sorry I should check the email on devel about what needs changing, will check there
[16:33] <robbiew> ok
[16:33] <doko> TheMuso: which one's, are these in the PPA? https://edge.launchpad.net/~pythoneers/+archive/ppa
[16:33] <TheMuso> doko: Haven't looked there, I'd have to check. The ones in question are gnome-orca and brltty
[16:34] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Switching to i586/i686 arch support
[16:34] <MootBot> New Topic:  Switching to i586/i686 arch support
[16:34] <Keybuk> I think we should switch to -march=i686
[16:34] <cjwatson> please review earlier UDS discussions on this subject
[16:34] <doko> brltty is fixed in the PPA, looks like I missed the orca.
[16:35] <Keybuk> cjwatson: do you have a URL?
[16:35] <cjwatson> not offhand, I'm looking
[16:35] <doko> TheMuso: will update gnome-orca after the meeting
[16:35] <TheMuso> doko: ok
[16:36] <robbiew> cjwatson: ok, we can review the UDS stuff and cover this next week...or by email
[16:36] <mvo_> doko: if you mass upload packages, could you please respect packages maintained in bzr?
[16:36] <cjwatson> this is a very old discussion and there are serious consequences elsewhere
[16:36] <doko> Keybuk: I'm all for it, because everybody else builds for this. which cpu's would be loose?
[16:36] <Keybuk> doko: anything older than a pentium 2
[16:36] <Keybuk> but then we have lpia now
[16:36] <cjwatson> the mobile team wants to ditch lpia
[16:36] <cjwatson> and lpia was designed for newer architectures not older, anyway
[16:37] <Keybuk> are there really that many people still using Ubuntu on < i686 ?
[16:37] <doko> mvo_: I'll try to, and send bug reports about it. but I would like to keep the hours of breakage short
[16:37] <cjwatson> also, it's not just a linear axis - the various clones have different properties
[16:37] <Keybuk> and do we care more about them than the utter vast majority using i686 hardware
[16:37] <cjwatson> consider the Via C3
[16:37] <cjwatson> "care more" is a vast, and tendentious, simplificationa
[16:37] <cjwatson> -a
[16:37] <Keybuk> cjwatson: if the Via C3 doesn't work with i686, then it doesn't work with Fedora, RHEL, SuSE, SLE, SLED, SLES, etc. already right?
[16:38] <cjwatson> it's the difference between supporting something with a slight performance difference, and not supporting something at all
[16:38] <mvo_> doko: I'm happy to help you with this, its just a pain to merge this stuff in retrospect. a quick mail to e.g. ubuntu-devel is enough
[16:38] <cjwatson> Keybuk: Fedora has an i586 kernel
[16:38] <cjwatson> so I assume that they have at least some i586 userspace support
[16:38] <Keybuk> cjwatson: Fedora build all their packages -march=i686
[16:38] <cjwatson> do they require cmov support?
[16:38] <Keybuk> cjwatson: how would I tell trivially?
[16:38] <cjwatson> Keybuk: in any case, we shouldn't even be having this discussion without real numbers
[16:38] <doko> mvo_: fine, please have some time on Friday =)
[16:38] <cjwatson> Keybuk: I have no idea, you're the proponent :-)
[16:39] <Keybuk> cjwatson: well, we benchmark consistently slower than them
[16:39] <Keybuk> at most common operations
[16:39] <doko> Keybuk: did you try to rebuild you stuff with -march=i686 to validate?
[16:39] <cjwatson> I want to know what happens if we rebuild for i686 and then try to boot
[16:39] <mvo_> doko: this friday?
[16:39] <doko> mvo_: yes
[16:39] <Keybuk> doko: not yet, I was actually going to ask you how I'd do that
[16:40] <Keybuk> I thought it'd be an interesting experiment to build an i686 cd and compare the two
[16:40] <doko> CFLAGS+=-march=i686
[16:40] <Keybuk> doko: it'd be much easier if I could do it in a semi-automated fashion :p
[16:40] <Keybuk> rather than by-hand rebuilding every single package :D
[16:40] <cjwatson> IME, many of the lower-powered clone CPUs are used in embedded devices
[16:41] <doko> ahh, ok the whole CD ... yes, maybe I'll give you a gcc build, or kess can give you just another wrapper
[16:41] <Keybuk> cjwatson: Atom supports i686 just fine
[16:41] <cjwatson> Atom is really very new, by comparison
[16:41] <mvo_> doko: I reply later, I don't want to interfere with the ongoing discussion
[16:41] <doko> via c7 as well
[16:41] <slangasek> sorry
[16:42]  * robbiew recommends we move this discussion to ubuntu-devel
[16:42] <cjwatson> and I don't think that Fedora (and family) and SuSE (and family) are our only competitors; they are our most significant Linux-based desktop/laptop/server competitors
[16:42] <robbiew> slangasek: no worries...we just gave you all the Actions (j/k) :P
[16:42] <liw> . o O (making it easy to do large-scale changes would allow much more experimentation on Ubuntu)
[16:42] <doko> but having a new architecture doesn't seem to be too good as well ...
[16:43] <cjwatson> Fedora appears to have an i586 architecture
[16:43] <cjwatson> we know, unfortunately, how much work a new architecture is
[16:43] <cjwatson> (the answer is: lots)
[16:44] <Keybuk> cjwatson: Fedora have an i386 architecture as well
[16:44] <cjwatson> so it is not true to say that the older C3s don't work with Fedora
[16:44] <cjwatson> (which you said above)
[16:45] <Keybuk> cjwatson: I actually can't find i586 or even i386 builds for F11 right now
[16:45] <doko> openjdk is built with -march=i586 ...
[16:45] <cjwatson> I can never find anything in Fedora :-)
[16:47] <Keybuk> anyway, I'll go and play and build an i686 CD
[16:47] <Keybuk> and then I'll make some benchmarks
[16:47] <Keybuk> and then if it's no better, I'll shut up ;P
[16:47] <robbiew> heh...ok
[16:47] <robbiew> [TOPIC] Sponsorship Queue
[16:47] <MootBot> New Topic:  Sponsorship Queue
[16:47] <Keybuk> as long as cjwatson promises that if there's a significant difference ... :p
[16:47] <cjwatson> I make no promises :)
[16:47] <Keybuk> I'll take your coffee away
[16:48] <Keybuk> or, worse, I'll secretly replace all your beans with decaf
[16:48] <robbiew> http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/
[16:48] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/
[16:48]  * cjwatson begs for mercy
[16:48] <cjwatson> I have done gparted this week, which took way longer than I had hoped
[16:49] <robbiew> too bad there's no way to see who is the "sponsor" from this list...unless they made the last comment
[16:50] <robbiew> k...moving on
[16:51] <robbiew> [TOPIC] All hands CFP
[16:51] <MootBot> New Topic:  All hands CFP
[16:51] <robbiew> I'm sure cjwatson cares DEEPLY about this topic ;)
[16:52] <cjwatson> heh, yes, I got nominated as the engineering track lead
[16:52] <cjwatson> voluntold
[16:52] <cjwatson> https://wiki.canonical.com/AllHands/2009/InsideView might be interesting to people
[16:53] <doko> hmm, still time to submit topics?
[16:53] <cjwatson> I plan to make some suggestions, but please do get yours in first
[16:53] <robbiew> doko: yes
[16:53] <cjwatson> yes, the deadline is 1200 UTC 9 March
[16:53] <cjwatson> plenty of time
[16:53] <liw> I've suggested a topic already
[16:53] <robbiew> james_w: so you can wow people with a bzr talk
[16:54] <cjwatson> if you don't want to do a full 40-minute (or whatever it is) presentation, we're happy to consider lightning talks
[16:54] <robbiew> and I'm sure Keybuk can dust off a boot performance talk, heh
[16:54] <robbiew> evand: maybe a wubi overview...lots of folks don't know about it's coolness :P
[16:54] <Keybuk> sure
[16:55] <evand> sure, if people think that will be useful I can talk a bit about how it works.
[16:55] <ara> hey hey
[16:55] <robbiew> and don't worry, yours truly is on the hook to present *something* for the Skills development track
[16:55]  * TheMuso has been pondering something accessibility wise, but can't think of something concrete to talk about. :)
[16:55] <cjwatson> I've put in a "history of the installer" proposal
[16:56] <davmor2> hello
[16:56] <slangasek> in the beginning there was the boot-floppy
[16:56]  * robbiew sees we have 4 min left
[16:56] <slangasek> and it was ugly
[16:56] <doko> are 40min enough if this includes the debian installer? ;)
[16:56] <liw> TheMuso, "this is how you enable accessibility on your desktop, and how you use it, so that you can make sure your stuff works for me"?
[16:56] <cjwatson> slangasek: and Bruce said: let there be floppies; and floppies appeared; ethereal, first of things, quintessence pure
[16:56] <TheMuso> liw: This is what I mean, something more concrete and informative than that.
[16:56] <liw> slangasek, not ugly! it's not ugly to edit root fs location to offsets 508 and 509 in a hex editor!
[16:57] <robbiew> #endmeeting
[16:57] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:57.
[16:57] <heno> lol
[16:57] <mvo_> thanks
[16:57] <liw> gracias
[16:57] <robbiew> I have to join another meeting guys...thanks for joining
[16:57] <evand> thanks!
[16:57] <TheMuso> thanks
[16:57] <james_w> thanks
[16:58] <slangasek> liw: I was referring to boot-floppies, the installer - that's ugly :-)
[16:58] <slangasek> thanks, all
[17:01] <heno> hey all
[17:01]  * ogasawara waves
[17:01]  * ara waves
[17:01] <davmor2> hello
[17:01] <jcastro> hi!
[17:02] <fader> howdy
[17:02] <jcozens> hi
[17:02] <bdmurray> hi
[17:02] <heno> ogasawara, sbeattie: here?
[17:02] <sbeattie> hey
[17:03] <heno> pedro is on leave
[17:03]  * ogasawara is here
[17:03] <heno> (at the beach!)
[17:03] <schwuk> .o/
[17:03] <heno> #startmeeting
[17:03] <MootBot> Meeting started at 11:03. The chair is heno.
[17:03] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[17:04] <heno> welcome everyone :)
[17:04] <heno> we have an action-packed agenda today: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings
[17:05] <heno> [TOPIC] UbuntuBugDay highlights
[17:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  UbuntuBugDay highlights
[17:05] <heno> pedro normally reports on this - can someone else fill us in?
[17:05] <jcastro> I have stats!
[17:05] <jcastro> http://daniel.holba.ch/five-a-day-stats/
[17:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://daniel.holba.ch/five-a-day-stats/
[17:06] <jcastro> so about half the teams involved reported, touching over 1,510 bugs
[17:06] <jcastro> last year we touched ~800 or so bugs
[17:06] <jcastro> so almost double
[17:06] <bdmurray> jcastro: that's the GBJ stats right?
[17:06] <jcastro> yep
[17:06] <jcastro> GBJ only
[17:06] <jcastro> oh wait, my bad, I mixed up hugday with GBJ, sorry heno
[17:06] <heno> ok, np :)
[17:08] <bdmurray> jcastro: that's great and from the stories it sounds like people had a lot of fun right?
[17:08] <jcastro> http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/02/24/ubuntu-global-bug-jam-success/?replytocom=129967#respond
[17:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/02/24/ubuntu-global-bug-jam-success/?replytocom=129967#respond
[17:08] <jcastro> yep, we consider it a great success
[17:09] <bdmurray> awesome! ;-)
[17:09] <heno> yeah it seems to have gone well :)
[17:10] <jcastro> The one thing I think we could do better in the future is to let lp admins know about it more
[17:10] <heno> I met several new triagers at the Birmingham Jam who will hopefully keep at it
[17:10] <jcastro> there were some LP issues during the jam, getting slow, etc. The stats were pretty broken for most of it but that's being fixed.
[17:11] <davmor2> heno: Yeah the guys there on Friday were mostly new and got right into it :)
[17:11] <heno> jcastro: will there be a lessons-learned follow-up session?
[17:13] <heno> just to wrap up the bug _day_ report: last week was nm-applet: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090219
[17:13] <heno> mangilimic and others put in a solid effort there
[17:13] <bdmurray> We also had some new triagers which is great!
[17:14] <heno> tomorrow is apport crashes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20090226
[17:14] <jcastro> heno: yeah we're gathering information still
[17:14] <bdmurray> Additionally, identifying the bugs with patches went well and a lot of them have been fixed now.
[17:14] <davmor2> bdmurray: maybe a blog post saying with bug jam over it doesn't stop there :)
[17:14] <heno> bdmurray: that's excellent!
[17:14] <heno> jcastro: ok great
[17:15] <heno> [TOPIC] Launchpad Greasemonkey - shared stock replies
[17:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Launchpad Greasemonkey - shared stock replies
[17:16] <bdmurray> There is a now a shared xml file of standard responses used by lp_stockreplies
[17:16] <bdmurray> You can learn a bit more about it at http://www.murraytwins.com/blog/?p=34
[17:17] <bdmurray> The shared responses make it easier to use the greasemonkey script and can make triaging easier.
[17:18] <heno> great - are the QA tools listed in the bug jam docs?
[17:18] <bdmurray> jcastro: ?
[17:19] <heno> I introduced the group in Birmingham to them
[17:20] <heno> it's probably worth mentioning these at hug days too, along with hug day tools
[17:21] <heno> (is that in the package btw?)
[17:21] <ara> heno: hug-day tool is already in the qa-tools pkg
[17:21] <heno> makes sense
[17:21] <heno> we should just update the hug day docs then
[17:22] <heno> ara: can you add info about the package?
[17:22] <jcastro> bdmurray: no I don't think it is, we are reshuffling around the docs anyway so I will make a note to mention them
[17:22] <ara> sure, I will do
[17:22] <heno> thanks
[17:22] <heno> [TOPIC] New bug control member
[17:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  New bug control member
[17:23] <bdmurray> Charles Profitt, cprofitt, applied to the bug control team last week and was accepted.
[17:24] <heno> congrats cprofitt!
[17:24] <heno> I understand the bug jam has resulted in some applications too?
[17:25] <davmor2> congrats :)
[17:25] <bdmurray> That's correct there are a few more applications pending at the moment.
[17:26] <heno> cool :)
[17:26] <jcastro> jams wouldn't be a bad avenue for doing bug control application advocacy
[17:26] <jcastro> for the experienced participants anyway
[17:26] <heno> jcastro: I certainly did ;)
[17:26] <heno> [TOPIC] Most affected report
[17:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  Most affected report
[17:26] <heno> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/launchpad-database/bugs-with-most-users-affected.html
[17:26] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/launchpad-database/bugs-with-most-users-affected.html
[17:27] <bdmurray> I think jcastro and or pedro were looking for that.  Its all the open bug tasks with lots of people clicking metoo.
[17:28] <davmor2> I thin the bluetooth needs resolving ;)
[17:28] <heno> bdmurray: I wonder if we could/should do a combined score with subscriber count
[17:28] <bdmurray> It might be an interesting way to find blind spots, like if sort by status we can see there are some bugs with a New status and 15 / 14 people affected.
[17:28] <heno> as in additive count, not just separate columns
[17:29] <heno> (bug hotness proposal re-heated)
[17:29] <bdmurray> heno: right some weight scheme that includes metoo, subscribers and duplicates?
[17:29] <davmor2> :)
[17:29] <ara> bdmurray: but only direct subscribers
[17:29] <bdmurray> ara: right
[17:29] <heno> bdmurray: right
[17:29] <cr3> heno: do you think I should add bluetooth tests to checkbox soonish for jaunty testing?
[17:29] <bdmurray> I'd assign the most weight to duplicates, subscribers and then metoo
[17:30] <bdmurray> as metoo usage possibly swap the weight btwn subscribers and metto
[17:30] <bdmurray> However, metoo seems like less interest than subscribing so maybe not
[17:31] <bdmurray> s/metoo usage/metoo usage increases/
[17:31] <heno> bdmurray: sounds good - the scheme can be fairly arbitrary as long as it's described in the footer
[17:31] <fader> bdmurray: does a metoo not automatically subscribe you to a bug?
[17:31] <heno> no
[17:31] <bdmurray> fader: no it does not
[17:32] <fader> bdmurray: I've been misusing lp then... heh
[17:32] <heno> it represents a lower level of commitment for the user
[17:32] <heno> since they don't get email
[17:32]  * fader nods.
[17:33] <fader> I just had misinterpreted its use.
[17:33] <sbeattie> bdmurray: might be useful to condense multiple tasks from the same bug into one.
[17:33] <heno> do we have any idea of whether the feature has reduced 'me too' comments?
[17:33] <bdmurray> sbeattie: in that report?
[17:33] <sbeattie> bdmurray: yes, in that report.
[17:34] <bdmurray> sbeattie: okay, I'll think about it
[17:34] <heno> ok, next
[17:34] <sbeattie> bdmurray: source is at?
[17:35] <heno> [TOPIC] New bug tags (dxteam and notifications)
[17:35] <MootBot> New Topic:  New bug tags (dxteam and notifications)
[17:35] <ara> bdmurray: gm script suggestion: me-too+subscribe
[17:35] <bdmurray> sbeattie: nowhere really since its a database query
[17:35] <bdmurray> I could stick it somewhere though
[17:36] <bdmurray> The dxteam has added some new bug tags to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Tags
[17:36] <bdmurray> notification is for bugs related to the new notification system
[17:37] <bdmurray> and dxteam is for bugs targeted by the dxteam
[17:37] <bdmurray> that's all there
[17:38] <bdmurray> er, its notifications plural not notification
[17:38] <heno> I should speak with them about looking at team-assignment as well
[17:38] <ara> hadn't they add 'flame'? for flame bugs?
[17:38] <davmor2> bdmurray: is this bug control who have access to this
[17:38] <heno> so we can make a page for them based on that
[17:38] <bdmurray> davmor2: access to what?
[17:39] <davmor2> tags for notifications and dxteam
[17:39] <heno> anyone can set a tag
[17:39] <bdmurray> anybody can set bug tags
[17:39] <heno> (for better or worse)
[17:39] <heno> [TOPIC] Next Testing day topic & highlights from last UTD
[17:39] <MootBot> New Topic:  Next Testing day topic & highlights from last UTD
[17:40] <ara> last monday we had the first testing day focused on new features
[17:40] <ara> kirkland and cjwatson were very responsive in #ubuntu-testing, thanks guys!
[17:40] <ara> davmor2 tested LVM partitioner and found a couple of bugs that he debugged with cjwatson
[17:40] <kirkland> ara: cheers!
[17:41] <ara> kirkland fixed and released some bugs found during the testing day ;-)
[17:41] <ara> I was happy to see new people coming
[17:41] <ara> the low point was maybe UNR images: it was a bit disappointing, as ubiquity for netbooks was broken.
[17:42] <cjwatson> as did I
[17:42] <cjwatson> (fixed and released)
[17:42] <cjwatson> yes, the timing was unfortunate regarding UNR images
[17:42] <ara> and for next Monday we were thinking about notify-osd and checkbox
[17:43]  * heno hugs cjwatson and kirkland
[17:43] <ara> but, notify-osd team prefer to do it after UI freeze
[17:43] <ara> and checkbox 0.6 is not yet in the archive
[17:43]  * kirkland hugs heno and the entire testing team!  thanks guys!
[17:43] <heno> ara: and you are proposing to start running testing days weekly, right?
[17:43] <ara> what do you guys suggest?
[17:43] <ara> heno: weekly or biweekly
[17:44] <heno> on milestone weeks perhaps we could focus them on ISO smoke testing?
[17:44] <heno> it's the perfect time for that (Mondays)
[17:44] <heno> then other weeks we could do more in-depth app testing
[17:45] <davmor2> +1
[17:45] <ara> ok, next Monday alpha 5 then :)
[17:45] <heno> davmor2: thanks for volunteering to run those ;)
[17:45] <davmor2> :)
[17:46] <heno> ara: actually this week would have been alpha 5 smoke testing
[17:46] <heno> to smoke out show stoppers before the real ISO coverage testing starts
[17:47] <ara> heno: ok, I thought you meant coverage testing
[17:47] <davmor2> heno: of course if they get introduced the night before
[17:47] <heno> sure there is always that
[17:48] <heno> fader: can you work with davmor2 to run the ISO smoke testing days? ; ara can you coordinate the other weeks for app testing?
[17:48] <ara> heno: sure
[17:49] <fader> heno: Sure, though I might need you or davmor2 to fill me in a bit on what needs done
[17:49] <ara> heno: then the question is still there... next week topic? :D
[17:49] <heno> fader: will do
[17:49] <heno> osd-notify +1
[17:50] <heno> schwuk: should we test checkbox as well then?
[17:50] <ara> heno: did you see dbarth reply
[17:50] <ara> heno: he would prefer after ui freeze
[17:50] <ara> heno: he insisted
[17:50] <davmor2> heno: we can always do a smoktesting practice run :)
[17:51] <heno> ara: I see now, fair enough
[17:51] <schwuk> heno: we can, but - as said - 0.6 isn't in the archive yet.
[17:51] <heno> how about an audio testing day?
[17:52] <davmor2> :)
[17:52] <ara> heno: OK, that sounds nice :-)
[17:52] <heno> ok, excellent!
[17:52] <davmor2> heno why not MM and cover rhythmbox and totem
[17:52] <heno> [TOPIC] Checkbox PPA (again) - schwuk
[17:52] <MootBot> New Topic:  Checkbox PPA (again) - schwuk
[17:53] <heno> davmor2: we can do - ara decides ;)
[17:54] <schwuk> Further to the PPA announcement last week, we now have 0.7 in the PPA. This version includes our PolicyKit and Report features.
[17:54] <schwuk> Along with the latest suspend_test script from the kernel team.
[17:54] <schwuk> (I suppose we could use the PPA for testing, but that seems...wrong)
[17:55] <heno> schwuk: it doesn't have bug reporting right?
[17:55] <schwuk> Nope - that will be 0.8.
[17:56] <heno> I suggest we apply for a FF exception next week and test the next Monday
[17:56] <schwuk> This was just bringing the PPA up-to-date with our development work.
[17:56] <heno> having the testing day lined up should help the FF application too ;)
[17:56] <heno> schwuk: ok
[17:57] <heno> any other business?
[17:57] <davmor2> yes
[17:57] <heno> davmor2: did you want to report on ISO testing?
[17:57] <davmor2> Testing today came to a grinding holt due to https://launchpad.net/bugs/334299
[17:58] <davmor2> this turn out to be hal acl. thanks pitti for the fix. so all new iso's are just start to be respun
[17:59] <heno> an audio testing day seems timely
[18:00] <heno> IOW help with ISO testing in #ubuntu-testing today will be greatly appreciated!
[18:00] <davmor2> also there are still some issues with lvm/partitioning that need to be resolved https://launchpad.net/bugs/319150 https://launchpad.net/bugs/332270 https://launchpad.net/bugs/334341 all inter linked kinda
[18:01] <heno> thanks for the update davmor2 (and for all the testing!)
[18:01] <heno> any other topics?
[18:02] <heno> (briefly)
[18:02] <heno> ok
[18:02] <heno> #endmeting
[18:02] <heno> urm
[18:02] <heno> #endmeeting
[18:02] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:02.
[18:03] <heno> thanks everyone!
[18:03] <schwuk> Thanks heno
[18:03] <davmor2> thanks heno
[18:04] <ara> thanks :)


[01:51] <charlie-tca> "Woot" is now an official english word, according to the Concise Oxford English Dictionary.
[01:52] <holstein> lol
[14:50]  * madnick pokes knome with a fork, as instructed :P
[15:02] <charlie-tca> Oneiric is broken bad today. Ran updates, can not boot into the system. gets to lightdm screen
[15:02] <charlie-tca> keyboard and mouse are not working
[15:02] <charlie-tca> Impossible to log in. boot to recovery mode does not complete
[15:38] <charlie-tca> Well, ssh in, clean cache, move .xsession-errors, run updates, run autormove, run updates, reboot, hit a lot of keys when it gets stuck, got to the desktop
[15:42] <charlie-tca> spawn a ton of apport errors, something is broken with gvfs
[15:42] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: gcalc no longer works in oneiric
[15:53] <mr_pouit> feel free to file a bug against it then :p
[15:54] <charlie-tca> did
[15:54] <charlie-tca> But I am concerned that we are going to have a number of broken apps if we don't keep our eyes on them
[15:55] <charlie-tca> "users and groups" can not be used; "gcalc" can not be used; what else is going to be "can not use" that I haven't hit yet?
[16:05] <charlie-tca> micahg: any progess on setting up meeting with derivatives to decide what to do with bug 789333
[16:12] <mr_pouit> well, gilir (lubuntu) is working on that apparently
[16:13] <Unit193> gilir is online now in #Lubuntu-offtopic
[16:23] <micahg> charlie-tca: no, it's been a busy week, I can send out an e-mail over the weekend
[16:23] <charlie-tca> okay
[22:41] <micahg> charlie-tca: no need for a meeting amongst the derivatives, gilir fixed it :)
[22:41] <micahg> or rather, it's in progress
[23:31] <charlie-tca> great! Thanks for checking


[14:24] <mlankhorst> Prf_Jakob: can you look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-vmware/+bug/1284134 ?
[14:25]  * barry waves
[14:33] <Prf_Jakob> mlankhorst: sure
[14:38] <Prf_Jakob> barry, mlankhorst: Well I can repro it.
[14:38] <mlankhorst> oh goodie
[14:38] <barry> Prf_Jakob: \o/
[14:39] <barry> Prf_Jakob: i was going to create a fresh trusty vm, but if you can reproduce it i won't.  happy to do anything needed to help gather info
[14:51] <Prf_Jakob> barry: what version are you unsing?
[14:51] <Prf_Jakob> using*
[14:53] <barry> Prf_Jakob: version of...?  trusty, fully dist-upgraded, fusion 6.0.2, os x 10.9.2
[14:54] <Prf_Jakob> barry: Right yeah, version of fusion/WS/player.
[14:54] <Prf_Jakob> thanks
[18:28] <zuke> hi everyone
[23:16] <HERM3S> Hello - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2210394
[23:17] <HERM3S> I have installed nvidia-331 and removed bumblebee - now, I am seeing a blank screen with a mouse icon "X" on one of my monitors


[01:18] <street> hello
[01:19] <misterno> hi
[01:19] <ahoneybun> hola people
[01:21] <street> what is the name of the off topic channel for Kubuntu?
[01:23] <street> been so long, and just set up kubuntu 15.04 on my little notebook, i cant remember the actual channel name...if anyone can help it would be appriciated
[01:24] <street> never mind i found it in the FAQ..
[01:25] <to10fcm> street, what ya looking for?
[07:07] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:56] <danielle31> quite often my system crashes with a segfault. not sure if its related to firefox or not ? here's the log from dmesg:  [   21.947894] QXcbEventReader[2169]: segfault at 7fef19521099 ip 00007fef19521099 sp 00007fef0ba95e60 error 14
[11:04] <danielle31> My computer keeps crashing with "Sep  4 11:50:30 Wintermute kernel: [   21.947894] QXcbEventReader[2169]: segfault at 7fef19521099 ip 00007fef19521099 sp 00007fef0ba95e60 error 14" in the dmesg. Any ideas what might be causing it?
[11:10] <soee> danielle31: when it keeps crashing, just after boot or during booting ?
[11:11] <Zloka> test
[11:11] <soee> hiho Zloka
[11:12] <Zloka> hi there
[11:13] <danielle31> soee: it doesnt crash at all during boot. the only commonality seems to be that I have firefox open. not sure thats related tho.
[11:20] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:41] <aektzis> Hello guys! :) I love the new website. Well done! :D
[12:42] <soee> aektzis: :)
[12:42] <soee> ovidiu-florin: ^
[12:43] <aektzis> :D
[12:43] <ovidiu-florin> danielle31: do you have something conected to your pc?
[12:44] <ovidiu-florin> soee: what about me? I don't think the new site causes danielle31 's Kubuntu to crash
[12:44] <soee> ovidiu-florin: [14:41] <aektzis> Hello guys! :) I love the new website. Well done! :D
[12:45] <aektzis> haha :D
[12:48] <danielle31> ovidiu-florin: nothing plugged in, just the usual assortment of laptop internal USB perepherals..
[12:48] <danielle31> :-)
[13:41] <xela2244> hi, i just installed kubuntu and the icons on my desktop look like widgets. How can i make them normal?
[13:43] <xela2244> i am in folder view
[16:48] <rredd4> k
[16:49] <rredd4> media# ls Macintosh HD root@j-MacBook:/media# cd Macintosh HD -su: cd: Macintosh: No such file or directory  Don't understand why I am getting    no such file... when i ls and it shows it?
[16:58] <silver_hook> Hullo.
[16:58] <silver_hook> How often is KDE updated in Kubuntu (stable)?
[16:59] <silver_hook> And how long would it take me to switch from Mageia to Kubuntu? i.e. install itself on an Luks-encrypted LVM, where I have a separate home volume + any needed migration between the two systems.
[17:00] <silver_hook> Akonadi in KDE 4 is driving me nuts and Mageia’s a bit more reserved with Plasma 5
[17:01] <BluesKaj> silver_hook, don't think there's any particular schedule/timeframe for kde upgrades
[17:02] <airking> w/in 11
[17:03] <silver_hook> BluesKaj: So it can be that in one release KDE will be fresher in Kubuntu in in another in Mageia?
[17:03] <BluesKaj> silver_hook, installing kubuntu to/ and then setting ~/ as a mountpoint in the installer  partitoner shouldn't add much time to installing kubuntu , usually about 30 misn depending on 3rd party updates etc
[17:04] <BluesKaj> silver_hook, dunno anything about Magela
[17:04] <silver_hook> BluesKaj: And Kubuntu has no problems with such a more advanced install as a luks-encrypted lvm?
[17:05] <BluesKaj> it might , I'm not sure about luks , but LVM isn't a problem
[17:07] <silver_hook> And the backports mentioned here: http://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-532-and-frameworks-5120-backported-kubuntu-1504/
[17:07] <silver_hook> …does enabling those mean that all packages will be updated to a backport, or just KDE, or just the ones I specifically select?
[17:08] <silver_hook> (Sorry for the stupid questions, but most of my time I spent on Gentoo, so I’m used to quite granular package control.)
[17:08] <BluesKaj> it's plasma 5.3.2 and KF5  that are updated ...a bit confusing but KDE no l,onger has a number associated with it after kde4
[17:10] <silver_hook> So in the backports it’s just Plasma, KF (and KDE apps?)?
[17:11] <BluesKaj> silver_hook, also plasma 5.4 is now available for 15.04 in the launchpad kubuntu backports , which you can add after installing the regular 15.04 OS
[17:12] <silver_hook> BluesKaj: Those backports are what I’m asking about.
[17:12] <silver_hook> How do those work?
[17:14] <BluesKaj> silver_hook, it's still transitional from plasma 4  to plsama 5 in 15.04 . The backports are usually devel  type sources for the adventurous user
[17:15] <silver_hook> BluesKaj: But you either run all the updates in the backport or none? Or can you chose individual packages that you want to chery-pick from the backports and leave the rest from stable?
[17:16] <BluesKaj> yes
[17:17] <BluesKaj> for both, you update to majke the packages available and upgrade to choose all the available packages in th ebackport repos ,
[17:19] <BluesKaj> or you can cherry pick as yoo put it by kjust installing what you want then disabling the repos in the software center or removing it aka ppa in the /etc/apt/sources.list.d file
[17:42] <silver_hook> Hmmm, interesting. I might look into that at some point.
[20:32] <danielle31>  I have a problem with the FS on an external drive. Every time I run fsck, I get the message "Filesystem modified. Errors remain." So I run fsck again and it seems to be fixing different things each time. I have done this about a dozen times now. Am I doing this right? Why can't fsck run repeatedly until it has fixed all the errors?
[20:42] <genii> danielle31: This is a symptom that the hard drive is physically failing
[20:45] <genii> danielle31: Does the result of: dmesg| tail -n50      ...show a lot of I/O errors?
[20:50] <alphamuleAKK> hello
[21:05] <soee> hiho alphamuleAKK
[21:24] <danielle31> genii: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12276626/. so there are lots of errors, but only one of them looks related to I/O.
[21:24] <danielle31> I guess its failing but not that hard?
[21:24] <danielle31> on a long enough time scale, everyone's mortality rate drops to zero..
[21:33] <genii> danielle31: Apologies on lag, work required me. From that ouput, it looks like the drive or the drive controller is failing.
[21:43] <danielle31> thanks genii. that's a good diagnosis, considering both survived unexpected hydrophillic integration. I spilled water on them :-(
[21:47] <genii> danielle31: Is there data on it that you are trying to retrieve?
[21:58] <dimitar> Hi all
[21:59]  * genii slides dimitar a fresh coffee
[22:00] <dimitar> thank you genii :)
[22:01] <genii> dimitar: You're welcome :)  If you have some question about Kubuntu, just ask it in the channel and hopefully a helper will take it up
[22:03] <dimitar> Thank you!
[22:16] <misha> hi
[22:16] <misha> i have a doubt, is somebody there?
[22:17] <Voyage> Please see this and inform me what to select http://oi59.tinypic.com/2yl1g85.jpg
[22:30] <genii> The second one
[22:54] <danielle31> genii: sorry about the lag. yes, I have data on the disk
[22:55] <danielle31> It was readable but the fsck seems to have made it worse. it isnt readable anymore.
[22:57] <danielle31> I suppose I should say that means I had data on the drive
[22:58] <danielle31> *sigh*
[22:58] <danielle31> Shoulda bought a NAS when I had the chance..
[22:58] <genii> danielle31: If you have another larger disk, I would recommend to hook that up at the same time, and then use ddrescue to make an image of the screwy one onto it, then work with the image file
[22:59] <danielle31> thanks genii. where I once had a readable FS, all I have no is a bunch of fragments in /lost+found. not sure its worth it tbh..
[22:59] <genii> Once you have an image file made, you can run recovery tools against that instead of the actual drive, like photorec for instance ( not just for photos)
[23:00] <danielle31> what kind of recovery tools genii?
[23:00] <genii> danielle31: photorec is the most well known
[23:00] <genii> !info photorec
[23:00] <genii> Whut?
[23:00]  * genii smacks the bot
[23:00] <bprompt> hehe
[23:01] <danielle31> :-)
[23:01] <genii> Ah, it's in the package called testdisk
[23:01] <bprompt> danielle31:     what are you trying to do? if I can stick my long beak
[23:03] <danielle31> I'm not sure atm actually bprompt. I had a bunch of data on an old disk which I thought was working fine (despite having spilled a glass of water on it a long time ago and dried it thoroughly). I was actually trying to free some space for a project. Didn't realise the external drive was so badly broken until I came to copy some files to it. Still didnt realise when I tried to fsck it about a dozen times.
[23:03] <danielle31> I think just now I might try to go to bed and then take stock of my options in the morning
[23:04] <genii> bprompt: Basically looks at this point like drive is screwed, now to image it and try to recover stuff
[23:04] <danielle31>  yep
[23:04] <bprompt> hmm
[23:05] <bprompt> danielle31:    so... you want to simply recover the partition data from it?
[23:08] <danielle31> I suppose so. I think that's a project for another day tho. I simply dont have any storage media of that size atm.
[23:10] <bprompt> hmm
[23:11] <bprompt> so... hmm ok.. sounds like  you do not want to get data from it... so..hmm what's stopping you from simply throwing it to the trash bin?
[23:30] <usr13>  /ignore #kubuntu all -public -actions