[06:39] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:13] <Myrtti> möh
[07:19] <MooDoo> Myrtti: that good eh!
[07:19] <Myrtti> SWEEEEEEEET
[07:19] <Myrtti> BETTER NOW
[07:19] <Myrtti> I GOT A JOB
[07:20] <Myrtti> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[07:24] <MooDoo> Myrtti: CONGRATS!!! what you doing?
[07:25] <Myrtti> developer community management
[07:25] <MooDoo> fantastic :) well done!
[07:26] <Myrtti> I'm having a total meltdown here
[07:26] <Myrtti> aw man
[07:26] <Myrtti> aaaahhhhhhhhhh....
[07:29] <MooDoo> Myrtti: meltdown in a good way I do hope :)
[07:29] <Myrtti> crying, and laughing, and running around my apartment
[07:30] <MooDoo> do the dance of jot :)
[07:30] <MooDoo> *joy
[07:30] <Myrtti> I'll do that in the shower :-D
[07:30] <MooDoo> Myrtti: are you employed at the moment?
[07:30] <Myrtti> haven't been for more or less two years
[07:30] <MooDoo> by choice or circumstances?
[07:31] <MooDoo> sorry i'm being nosey :)
[07:31] <Myrtti> Nokia meltdown that trickled down to subcontractors
[07:31] <popey> \o/
[07:31] <MooDoo> fab :)
[07:31] <MooDoo> moring popey
[07:31] <popey> Myrtti: congratulations!
[07:31] <popey> Yo!
[07:31] <Myrtti> but a bit of both, I had a time I wasn't sure what I actually want to do in my life and and then I've had family issues, parents kicking the bucket etc
[07:32] <popey> haha
[07:32] <popey> love that phrase
[07:32] <Myrtti> well my dad nearly literally did that, ultimately dying of alcoholism
[07:32] <MooDoo> Myrtti: well I'm stoked for you, when you start?
[07:33] <Myrtti> unofficially now, officially start of the month. I do the hours in and get to keep them as holiday
[07:41] <DJones> Congratulations Myrtti Good lick with the new job
[07:41] <DJones> s/luck/lick/
[07:48] <MooDoo> Myrtti: well that's brilliant news :D
[07:55] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[07:55] <lardman> morning
[07:57] <lardman> Anyone have any success using BaseMosaic in xorg.conf? I have two nVidia cards driving 3 monitors and am currently using xinerama, but it seems to have become more broken (dragging and dropping for example) as time goes by
[08:16] <Myrtti> things are looking up, despite the school being ultimately owned by a town council, they don't use MS Outlook.
[08:17] <Myrtti> school/college
[08:17] <Myrtti> just gets better and better
[08:18] <MooDoo> Myrtti: will you get that smile of your face please ;)
[08:19] <Myrtti> I'm sure an Alan or D Jones kicks me out if I become too annoying, and I don't blame them at all
[08:19] <directhex> lotus notes isn't better!
[08:19] <Myrtti> I even approve
[08:22] <hoover> morning all
[08:23] <popey> went to a meeting at the kids school last night where they explained it's been sold
[08:23] <popey> Lots of tense parents asking questions
[08:24] <mungbean> how can a school be sold?
[08:25] <bigcalm> mungbean: private school?
[08:25] <mungbean> popey: ?
[08:25] <mungbean> state school or other?
[08:25] <popey> independent school
[08:25] <bigcalm> Sounds better than private
[08:25] <popey> the owner / head has sold it to a company
[08:25] <popey> which has investors who want to invest in schools
[08:25] <mungbean> invest in, or fleece?
[08:25] <popey> invest in
[08:26] <popey> improve buildings, add value then sell of course in ~5-7 years time
[08:26] <mungbean> so more for real estate than league tables?
[08:27] <popey> no, they want to add facilities that the school doesn't have
[08:27] <popey> e.g. sports building, pool, newer buildings
[08:28] <mungbean> real estate + assets
[08:28] <mungbean> could be good thing
[08:28] <popey> yeah, they seem like a good bunch
[08:28] <mungbean> i understand wary parents
[08:28] <popey> first question "will the fees go up?"
[08:29] <bigcalm> 2nd question "will teacher's pay go up?"
[08:29] <popey> hah, nobody asked that!
[08:29] <popey> nobody asked about staff retention
[08:29] <bigcalm> popey: not even you?
[08:29] <mungbean> private schools are expensive but compared to what you get vs similar cost in a nursery...!
[08:30] <mungbean> nursery is a ripoff
[08:31] <directhex> £39 a day for ours
[08:32] <mungbean> oof
[08:33] <MooDoo> wow that's expensive.
[08:34] <MooDoo> my number two starts pre nursery next year.
[08:34] <popey> both of our kids went to the nursery at the school where they go, so they have grown up with the same kids
[08:34] <mungbean> my eldest starts at school nursery next week
[08:34] <mungbean> afternoons only
[08:35] <MooDoo> nice, my son just started reception class, but it will be nice when he's older when his sis starts at same school
[08:35] <popey> Sam got onto the School Council this week ☻
[08:35] <popey> Gets to take issues from class to the management team and tell them what the kids want ☻
[08:35] <directhex> nursery costs more for babies than toddlers
[08:35] <MooDoo> popey: taking after his father in leadership roles eh ;)
[08:35] <popey> yeah
[08:35] <MooDoo> nice
[08:35] <mungbean> see this unfortunate pic of farage? http://i.imgur.com/TNEVo7s.jpg
[08:35] <popey> haha
[08:36] <MooDoo> snigger
[08:37] <bigcalm> :D
[08:40] <bigcalm> So...
[08:40] <popey> CHOO CHOO!
[08:40] <bigcalm> Anything exciting happening this weekend?
[08:40] <AlanBell> :)
[08:41] <bigcalm> I see that popey is using predictive text
[08:41] <MooDoo> real ale train day?
[08:41] <bigcalm> !rat
[08:41] <popey> shall I bring CaH?
[08:41] <bigcalm> I damn well hope it's yearly :)
[08:41] <bigcalm> popey: you shall
[08:41] <popey> k
[08:41] <bigcalm> I have no idea how it works, but sounds fun
[08:42] <bigcalm> I managed to find a hip flask at argos yesterday afternoon
[08:42] <popey> you're taking booze to a train full of booze?
[08:42] <bigcalm> Sadly it came as part of a "best man" set with cufflinks
[08:42] <bigcalm> popey: for Hayley
[08:42] <bigcalm> If you recall, they ran out of miniatures
[08:43] <popey> ah
[08:43] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:43] <bigcalm> Will still buy diet coke or something
[08:43] <bigcalm> AlanBell: Hayley wants to know if you'll be brining your hat
[08:57] <AlanBell> I certainly will :)
[09:03] <hoover> Hey biggie
[09:32] <popey> saw this and thought of ali1234 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE5mhct5L0Y#t=82
[09:49] <diddledan> popey: that'snuts
[10:10] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:10] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:11] <davmor2> MooDoo: me owld mucka, how's life treatin' ya
[10:12] <MooDoo> davmor2: alreet youth, getting last minute bits for the kids party on sunday, and no thinking of upgrading my laptop to saucy!
[10:12] <MooDoo> now thnking
[10:12] <popey> i thought you ran fedora?
[10:13] <MooDoo> popey: only in a VM, ran ubuntu for yonks
[10:13] <davmor2> MooDoo: I think you need to go back to bed if you are no thnking ;)
[10:13] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah tell me about it....i blame the kids...fancy having their party on the same day lol ;)
[10:13] <davmor2> popey: MooDoo is like Vader, there good left in him yet :D
[10:14] <MooDoo> davmor2: popey there is lots of good in me, although i am still dual booting it with windows 8.......
[10:14]  * MooDoo ducks and runs
[10:14] <davmor2> and theres the darkside
[10:15] <MooDoo> davmor2: sowweeeee
[10:16] <MooDoo> popey: I grew up and stopped changing my os as much as my pants as you once put it ;)
[10:16] <davmor2> MooDoo: Windows 8 though dude, have you had a proper play with it?  man it's aweful, windows 7 was so much better in so many ways
[10:17] <MooDoo> davmor2: the only thing i don't like is metro, the interface sucks, but 8.1 is coming out soon, which gives you the ability to boot to desktop and gives you a semi start button back.  What I don't like is the metro interface on windows 2012 server.....WTF?
[10:17] <diddledan> what's the state of play with 3d support on nvidia optimus these days?
[10:17] <diddledan> that question is somewhat related
[10:18] <diddledan> windows 8 - I'm thinking of running it to get decent gfx performance and running ubuntu in a vm
[10:18] <davmor2> MooDoo: how the hell is that supposed to work
[10:18] <MooDoo> diddledan: i dual boot mine, ubuntu for most stuff and windows for the photoshop I use
[10:19] <diddledan> yeah, and it's photoshop that I want the decent gfx performance for
[10:19] <MooDoo> davmor2: the thought was that you remote desktop to the server with a tablet.
[10:19] <MooDoo> diddledan: I dual boot, it's easier :D
[10:19] <davmor2> MooDoo: did you try dark room?
[10:19] <diddledan> it would be ok if nvidia optimus worked enough that vmware could do 3d acceleration
[10:19] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah it's fine does work for lots of things, but it's clunky, not as refined as lightroom.
[10:20] <davmor2> MooDoo: Ugg, you seem to of mistakenly added the word "the thought" in that sentence :D
[10:20] <davmor2> words even
[10:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: as soon as my workflow doesn't need photoshop or lightroom i'll ditch windows, although I may speak to Tony Whitmore as he doesn't use windows
[10:22] <diddledan> see, without windows I'd have been stuffed because I've been given a psd design and told "make that into a website"
[10:22] <diddledan> I would hate to see what it looked like in the gimp
[10:22] <MooDoo> diddledan: do you use photoshop CC?
[10:23] <diddledan> MooDoo yeah
[10:23] <MooDoo> diddledan: then you'll be able to knock out a site using it in no time what with that new feature added :
[10:24] <MooDoo> generator?
[10:24] <diddledan> ooh, I've not tried that yet
[10:24] <davmor2> MooDoo: doesn't he use this http://www.corel.com/corel/product/index.jsp?pid=prod4670071&cid=catalog20038&segid=6000006&storeKey=us&languageCode=en  was bibble pro iirc
[10:25] <MooDoo> davmor2: how are you doing?  geting close to release time and all that
[10:25] <AlanBell> anyone have an opinion on the pub suggestion?
[10:25] <MooDoo> davmor2: oooooo not heard about that
[10:25] <Laney> come to me local
[10:26] <AlanBell> http://www.lordnelsonsouthwark.com/
[10:26] <Laney> abbey street, nottingham
[10:26] <diddledan> pub sounds like a good idea. let me grab my coat. see you in 10?
[10:26] <diddledan> :-p
[10:26] <davmor2> MooDoo: you're welcome :)
[10:27] <MooDoo> Laney: johnson arms?
[10:27] <Laney> correct
[10:28] <MooDoo> Laney: not that far from me, I'm on castle boulevard
[10:29] <Laney> \o/
[10:29] <Laney> get down there
[10:29] <Laney> east midlands release party
[10:29] <Laney> (attendees: 2)
[10:29] <MooDoo> Laney: when?
[10:30] <MooDoo> at release day?
[10:30] <Laney> guess so
[10:30] <Laney> not sure I'll actually be around then though, need to check
[10:30] <diddledan> when is release day?
[10:30] <Laney> !saucy
[10:30] <MooDoo> oct 17th
[10:30] <Laney> wtf
[10:30] <Laney> !releaseschedule
[10:31] <MooDoo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseSchedule
[10:31]  * AlanBell goes to fix
[10:31] <diddledan> four weeks yesterday?
[10:31] <diddledan> did I count right? :-p
[10:32] <diplo> I'm in Nottingham on tuesday :(
[10:32] <Laney> it's always on a thursday, so it's a good start
[10:32] <diddledan> I'd be able to make a release party if it was the 19th cos that'ld be saturdsday
[10:32] <Laney> diplo: don't sad face at that
[10:32] <Laney> where?
[10:32] <diplo> It means meetings though!
[10:32] <directhex> optimus is partially implemented in nvidia-glx now
[10:32] <directhex> partially
[10:32] <directhex> the preferred route remains using third party tools like "optirun"
[10:32] <Laney> laghex
[10:32] <diplo> Office is based in Colwick but I stay in city centre
[10:33] <diddledan> thanks directhex
[10:33] <directhex> hm?
[10:33] <diplo> The ramadan i think it's called now, used to Holiday Inn
[10:33] <directhex> ramada
[10:33] <diplo> heh yeah
[10:33] <directhex> same company as travelodge
[10:34] <diplo> ah, to be honest the hotel was nice before ( nice meaning adequate ) and it's the same staff pretty much just a new sign :)
[10:35] <Laney> quite near the malt cross
[10:35] <Laney> go there
[10:37]  * directhex moos. moo!
[10:37] <diplo> OK, i don't remember most names of pubs but I've visited a fair few
[10:37]  * diplo googles
[10:38] <diplo> yeah think I've been there, but may go there Tuesday night
[10:39] <Laney> dragon is good
[10:39] <Laney> and if you walk up the hill a little bit the hand and heard and the organ grinder are both top notch
[10:40] <diplo> I've been to the salutation before :)
[10:40] <Laney> haha
[10:40] <Laney> you old rocker
[10:41] <Laney> we had our rocksoc socials there every week back in the undergrad days
[10:41] <diplo> And one up Goldsmith St ( bit of a uni pub a swell )
[10:47] <diplo> I was actually dragged into salutation after visiting a pub opposite and up a bit which was a complete dive
[10:47] <Laney> yes yes yes I know the one
[10:47] <Laney> g... something
[10:48] <Laney> no, chambers
[10:48] <Laney> I've been there once and the advice I got from my friend as we were entering was "if someone starts on you, just run"
[10:49] <diplo> heh was just googling it, I'd tend to agree.. we lasted about 20 mins and said umm nope. Most people went home but I got dragged on for another few pints
[11:22] <madmouser1> hi all, any idea how I can add ICA protocol to the UCCS / Remote login sessions for Ubuntu ? Would like to log into a hosted desktop from the login screen
[11:38] <mungbean> how can i measure torque i am delivering to a nut? special torque wrench? i need 5nm torque
[11:38] <popey> I used a torque wrench
[11:38] <mungbean> are they ££?
[11:38] <mungbean> ooh http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/cht423-angular-torque-gauge
[11:38] <mgdm> Not too bad
[11:39] <popey> can't remember, last time I used one was ~1991
[11:39] <mungbean> my roof bars need to be tightened to 5nm but i don't know what that feels like
[11:39] <popey> heh mine was way more retro than that
[11:39] <mgdm> 5nm is off-scale low for a lot of torque wrenches, I guess
[11:39] <mgdm> it's not a lot
[11:40] <popey> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1980_c1980_Torque_wrench,_140ft-lbs_19.36m-kg,_nominally_14-20in,_.5in_socket_drive,_Craftsman_44641_WF,_Sears_dtl.jpg
[11:40] <mgdm> it's a force of 0.5kg at the end of a bar 1m long
[11:40] <mgdm> (or 1kg on a 0.5m bar :)
[11:41] <mungbean> i'll ask a cyclist
[11:41] <mungbean> he might have a torque key
[11:45] <czajkowski> For those in the land of Ediburgh we've just created http://www.meetup.com/MongoDB-Edinburgh
[12:02] <davmor2> czajkowski: is Ediburgh a bit like Edinburgh?
[12:02] <MooDoo> davmor2: you're gonna get a slap
[12:04] <davmor2> MooDoo: Not my fault, I didn't spell it wrong :D
[13:21] <sdfghjhgffd> hi
[13:21] <sdfghjhgffd> how do i run gui utility that does the keyboard configuration from the terminal?
[13:21] <sdfghjhgffd> i'm using ubuntu as guest os in vagrant
[13:22] <sdfghjhgffd> thus i don't have access to all the menus
[13:22] <sdfghjhgffd> to any of the menus, actually
[13:24] <diddledan> sdfghjhgffd: if you mean how do you change the keyboard layout in the terminal/console then run `sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-data`. if you really do want to configure the X keyboard then I don't know how to do that without the gui
[13:24] <sdfghjhgffd> i do want do configure the x keyboard
[13:25] <sdfghjhgffd> and i have access to the gui, actually
[13:25] <sdfghjhgffd> it's just that i run a ssh session with -Y flag
[13:25] <sdfghjhgffd> so i can run any x11 app given that i know the command
[13:25] <sdfghjhgffd> eg i know what to type in console to invoke that
[13:26] <diddledan> in that case then I believe your keyboard is set locally
[13:26] <sdfghjhgffd> i afraid it's not
[13:26] <diddledan> it _should_ use whatever your client os is using
[13:26] <sdfghjhgffd> hmm
[13:27] <diddledan> the X server is running on your local pc so the remote doesn't interpret the keypresses at all
[13:27] <sdfghjhgffd> i guess it's running on the remote actually
[13:27] <sdfghjhgffd> oh wait i think i've confused x11 definitions 'server' and 'client'
[13:28] <diddledan> X11 is very confusing with terms like client and server
[13:29] <sdfghjhgffd> nonetheless, the problem i want to solve eventually is that i have somehow misconfigured my keyboard in x11 with sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[13:29] <sdfghjhgffd> and i can't fathom how to configure that back
[13:29] <AlanBell> afternoon all
[13:29] <MooDoo> AlanBell: hello
[13:29] <AlanBell> the Saucy Release party is arranged :)
[13:30] <diddledan> you should be able to re-run dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[13:30] <diddledan> AlanBell: \o/
[13:30] <sdfghjhgffd> of course, i did that many times
[13:30] <AlanBell> Canonical will be shout a round of drinks and some snacks too :)
[13:30] <sdfghjhgffd> still doesn't help
[13:31] <sdfghjhgffd> i don't have any ubuntu to access other than that i am connecting to
[13:32] <sdfghjhgffd> but when i had and wanted to know how to run certain app from the menu
[13:32] <AlanBell> sdfghjhgffd: can you get to the menus with the keyboard?
[13:32] <sdfghjhgffd> i would drag and drop corresponding icon to gedit
[13:32] <sdfghjhgffd> and it will display a config file of sorts, including command i was looking for
[13:33] <sdfghjhgffd> AlanBell: i'm ssh -Y 'ing to ubuntu
[13:33] <sdfghjhgffd> so the answer is no
[13:33] <nayla> Hello, I am nayla
[13:33] <AlanBell> ah, so you are not running the desktop, you are remoting apps to another X
[13:34] <AlanBell> hello nayla
[13:34] <nayla> hello
[13:34] <sdfghjhgffd> yeah, that's what i am doing
[13:34] <nayla> yesterday i ask about ubuntu partion and one of the member reply
[13:34] <nayla> so i will do his recommand way
[13:34] <nayla> but i saw two things before i do partition.
[13:35] <nayla> Primary and Logical
[13:35] <nayla> Which one i need to choose.
[13:35] <nayla> Now I am in installation mode.
[13:36] <nayla> yesterday one of member reply.
[13:37] <AlanBell> sdfghjhgffd: can you run gnome-control-center ?
[13:38] <nayla> Hello
[13:38] <nayla> I am Nayla
[13:38] <sdfghjhgffd> AlanBell: tanks
[13:38] <nayla> Now I am doing ubuntu installation.
[13:38] <nayla> My laptop is Lenovo x60
[13:38] <AlanBell> nayla: are you setting up dual booting with another operating system?
[13:38] <nayla> no
[13:39] <nayla> i will format entire disk
[13:39] <nayla> RAM - 2GB
[13:39] <nayla> HD - 250 GB
[13:39] <daftykins> heya
[13:39] <nayla> CPU - 1.83 GHz (COre 2 Duo)
[13:39] <AlanBell> nayla: ok, in that case when you install it, just go for the automatic options, let it worry about partitioning itself
[13:40] <nayla> Thanks for your suggestion. But I feel choosing partitation way is faster.
[13:40] <nayla> yesterday one member recommand
[13:40] <daftykins> we had a discussion on partitioning yesterday i believe, he's going to do some development work so may benefit from a separate home
[13:41] <daftykins> (at the least)
[13:41] <nayla> Oh ya
[13:41] <nayla> Hi AlanBell, Thanks for your suggestion. yesterday the one i mee is <daftykins>
[13:41] <AlanBell> ok, you can do that too, personally I never bother, but you can if you like
[13:41] <nayla> Thanks
[13:42] <nayla> Hi <diftykins>
[13:42] <AlanBell> !tab
[13:42] <nayla> Now i am in installating
[13:42] <nayla> i saw Primary and Logical when i do partition.
[13:42] <nayla> Which one i need to choose.
[13:43] <daftykins> the /boot we spoke of will be primary
[13:43] <daftykins> then all the rest, /, swap and /home will be logical
[13:44] <nayla> today home connection has problem :)
[13:44] <nayla> hello
[13:45] <nayla> May I know  which one i need to choose between logical and primary
[13:46] <nayla> 150MB /boot ext4
[13:46] <nayla> 20 GB / ext4 4  GB swap then the rest /home ext4
[13:47] <daftykins> the /boot we spoke of will be primary, then all the rest, /, swap and /home will be logical
[13:47] <daftykins> nayla: sorry didn't notice you disconnected
[13:47] <nayla> daftykins: thanks. i will do now :)
[13:48] <mungbean> anyone used davmail behind exchange server?
[14:29] <nayla> Hello. I saw the following message when i start ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[14:29] <nayla> "kvm: disabled by bios"
[14:29] <nayla> May i know what is this?
[14:30] <popey> kvm is a driver to allow you to do virtualisation on the cpu
[14:30] <popey> it is an informational message that it's disabled
[14:30] <nayla> this message means my laptop has a problem or not?
[14:31] <popey> nope
[14:31] <nayla> currently i turn-on VT. but still the same message showing
[14:33] <daftykins> yeah, different virtualisation technologies
[14:33] <daftykins> nothing to worry about
[14:34] <nayla> I see. Thanks
[15:37] <ali1234> what is a "linux depot" on steam?
[15:40] <bashrc> maybe it's like distrowatch
[15:44] <directhex> ali1234, depots are collections of files on steam's servers. a depot can be marked with a specific OS, or no marking
[15:45] <directhex> ali1234, when you install the game on a given platform, steam will download the contents of one or more relevant depots, and merge them locally to form the game's install directory tree
[15:45] <SuperMatt> that's pretty swish
[15:46] <ali1234> i see
[15:46] <directhex> here's an example - note the OS-specific depots (with executables) and the shared depot (levels, etc) - http://steamdb.info/app/225140/#section_depots
[15:48] <ali1234> yeah so when I added FTL just now it showed a confusing screen with checkboxes for FTL and FTL: Linux Depot
[15:48] <ali1234> but looking at this: http://steamdb.info/search/?a=app&q=FTL - it looks like the "Linux Depot" is in a separate product for some reason
[15:48] <directhex> odd, you should never see depots mentioned in the steam ui
[15:48] <ali1234> yeah, figures
[15:49] <directhex> http://steamdb.info/app/212680/#section_depots suggests ftl's depots are a bit of a mess anyway
[15:50] <directhex> looks like the linux depot was accidentally marked as an app, by assigning it metadata (depots are basically apps with blank state)
[15:50] <directhex> compare to the osx ftl depot: http://steamdb.info/app/212682/
[16:28] <diddledan> oh joy, look at slashdot making itself sound like it's super important and clever: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/09/19/0227238/linus-torvalds-admits-hes-been-asked-to-insert-backdoor-into-linux
[16:29] <SuperMatt> slashdot always tries that
[16:29] <SuperMatt> always fails
[16:30] <diddledan> to me it sounds like linus was making a joke. to slashdot it's OMGZORS END OF HUMANITY
[16:31] <diddledan> now on an unrelated topic - is anyone else having trouble with google+ right now?
[16:52] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2555-saucy-salamander-release-party/
[17:28] <AlanBell> what are locally integrated menus?
[17:34] <popey> AlanBell: you don't remember them?
[17:34] <popey> menus that came down from a button in the top left of a window
[17:41] <ali1234> they never actually existed right?
[17:41] <ali1234> which is probably why nobody remembers them
[17:41] <ali1234> gnome has that now btw
[17:41] <ali1234> except they are at the top right
[17:46] <ali1234> well, they're usually in the top right
[17:46] <ali1234> it's part of CSD so the app can basically do anything it wants
[17:49] <popey> it existed
[17:49] <popey> and was in a ppa
[17:52] <popey> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/03/locally-integrated-menus-delayed-for.html
[17:52] <popey> looks like the ppa was removed
[17:52] <ocean22> hi guys, is there any way i can install pdfedit on ubuntu 13.04 62bit.tx
[17:52] <popey> given it was only a tech demo
[17:55] <ali1234> wasn't it basically canned because compiz didn't want to support CSD and the only other way was with a bunch of nasty dbus hacks (like what indicators use, except even worse)
[17:55] <ali1234> and app menu too of course
[17:56] <ali1234> i suppose we'll probably see it around the same time as mir
[17:57] <ali1234> that's assuming anyone even still uses ubuntu by then
[18:00] <popey> ah, the "nobody uses ubuntu" meme
[18:03] <ali1234> sorry, i meant to put "unity" :)
[18:33] <AlanBell> popey: yeah, but I didn't think they were being released in 13.10 ;)
[18:35] <Myrtti> what version of libssl will be in 13.10?
[18:35] <AlanBell> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/fact-sheet-ubuntu-1310-saucy-salamander/
[18:35] <AlanBell> !info libssl saucy
[18:36] <Myrtti> ah right, the old one will be in too
[18:37] <AlanBell> !info libssl-dev saucy
[18:37] <Myrtti> if it weren't available, spotify wouldn't work :-(
[18:42] <bigcalm> Not long now
[18:56] <popey> hmm, spotify is broken
[18:57] <popey> Assertion 's' failed at pulse/stream.c:2525, function pa_stream_get_timing_info(). Aborting.
[18:57] <popey> worked fine yesterday
[18:58] <davmor2> popey: it hates you, hate it back works for me :)
[18:58] <popey> some tracks work
[19:03] <mungbean> what governs suspend and resume on ubuntu? mineis misbehaving after years of working fine
[19:04] <mungbean> i did a large dist upgrade and the disk space ran out, might be related
[19:07] <popey> have you cleared space and continued the upgrade?
[19:08] <popey> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[19:09] <mungbean> yes, couple of weeks ago
[19:09] <mungbean> all is well
[19:10] <mungbean> tried the 3.8 and 3.2 kernel too
[19:10] <mungbean> resume works ok but opens desktop without lock screen :S
[19:10] <mungbean> wireless takes longer to come back
[19:33] <mungbean> High quality global journalism requires investment. Please share this article with others using the link below, do not cut & paste the article. See our Ts&Cs and Copyright Policy for more detail. Email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to buy additional rights. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a50a96e6-2131-11e3-8aff-00144feab7de.html#ixzz2fSmUdNt2
[19:33] <mungbean> Stephen Elop is to receive an €18.8m pay-off to move from Nokia to Microsoft, or about €1m for every €1bn of market value lost under his leadership of the Finnish mobile phone group.
[19:33] <mungbean> woops
[19:34] <popey> hah, i block that crap
[19:34] <popey> you pay for ft?
[19:34] <mungbean> no
[19:34] <popey> i get a paywall
[19:35] <mungbean> its the free to view first para
[19:35] <mungbean> but you can answer a question to read it. maybe via goog
[19:36] <popey> yeah, it was on bbc earlier
[19:36] <popey> with a snipe from finnish minisers
[19:37] <mungbean> shameful situation
[19:37] <popey> and completely predictable
[19:37] <mungbean> :(
[19:39] <bigcalm> T9?
[19:40] <mungbean> wow what a terrible page http://dmitry.gr/index.php?r=05.Projects&proj=15&proj=15.%20Transcend%20WiFiSD
[19:40] <mungbean> try selecting text for readability..nope
[19:43] <mungbean> wifey is out tonight
[19:43] <mungbean> wish i could play gta5. but i have no ps3/xbox. or gta5.
[19:47] <DJones> Blackberry shares suspended on the stock market http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24182038 Thats never a good sign
[19:49] <mungbean> been a long time coming
[19:56] <mungbean> new one-off episode of IT crowd next friday
[19:58] <DJones> I'm glad I'm not an IT worker in LOndon call Paul LOvell, getting your name mentioned on El Reg can't be good for your future
[19:59] <mungbean> is hurt locker film any good?
[19:59] <mungbean> just starting now
[19:59] <mungbean> DJones: there's a pic of him too
[20:00] <mungbean> and i used to walk my dog there
[20:00] <DJones> Not seen the pic
[20:01] <mungbean> unfair to name him if the incident is still only alleged
[20:01] <DJones> Very true
[20:02] <DJones> I like way El Reg asked Do you know him, do you know who he works for
[20:02] <mungbean> i was reading hte metro version
[20:03] <mungbean> he could commit suicide for such global exposure
[20:03] <mungbean> and if he's innocent...
[20:09] <popey> what are we talking about?
[20:09] <popey> oh, i see
[20:12] <diddledan> I'm failing to see it
[20:14] <diddledan> aparently, according to a member of staff: the apple store in basingstoke opened at 8am. they'd sold out of iphone 5s at approximately 8am
[20:16] <zleap> http://www.forbes.com/sites/rajsabhlok/2013/09/20/microsoft-kill-shots-how-ibmlinux-deals-the-latest-blow-to-redmond-empire/#%21
[20:16] <zleap> IBM investing 1 billion in to Linux
[20:21] <popey> someone from IBM emailed me about that today
[20:28] <shauno> it's kinda funny.  msft went from being enemy #1 to being pretty much nobody, without the battle we all waited for ever happening.  they simply rarely cross my thoughts anymore
[20:28] <diddledan> lmao, just found the paul lovell article
[20:33] <diddledan> "You can carry a sword that’s less than two and a half feet long, so you could walk about with a short broadsword, and you can also have anything that doesn’t remote detonate, so a grenade launcher’s fine too."
[20:34] <diddledan> gotta love seattle
[20:35] <zleap> popey, cool, sounds good eh
[20:35] <zleap> what we need now is some investment in training
[20:35] <diddledan> does ibm say what kind of stuff they'll be investing the 1bn towards?
[20:36] <diddledan> I'm assuming open or libre office will receive a large amount
[20:36] <diddledan> either cash or via development time
[20:37] <zleap> i got the impression it was for the server side of things mainly
[20:37] <diddledan> maybe improvements to samba then
[20:37] <popey> I'll find out soon.
[20:44] <DJones> Wonder if IBM would think about getting into the mobile (ubuntu) phone market :)
[20:59] <AlanBell> $32M could do it :)
[21:01] <bigcalm> Guys guys guys!
[21:02] <popey> hmm?
[21:02] <bigcalm> When shall we three meet once more?
[21:02] <AlanBell> tomorrow \o/
[21:02] <bigcalm> I don't really remember when we met up last time
[21:02] <popey> the pub next to the station
[21:02] <popey> the nice burgers
[21:02] <AlanBell> the Mulbury
[21:02] <bigcalm> Burgers at the pub station thingy?
[21:02] <bigcalm> Yus
[21:03] <AlanBell> we could do that again
[21:03] <bigcalm> Eating before beering is a good thing
[21:03] <popey> what time?
[21:03] <bigcalm> 4/5?
[21:03] <bigcalm> When's the train?
[21:04] <bigcalm> 19:20
[21:04] <AlanBell> that is the train in Alton though
[21:05] <AlanBell> I believe the one you missed last time was the 17:56 ;)
[21:05] <bigcalm> :P
[21:06] <bigcalm> 18:26 -> 18:39
[21:06] <bigcalm> or
[21:06] <bigcalm> 18:56 -> 19:10
[21:06] <bigcalm> Better to aim for the 1st one
[21:06] <bigcalm> Get good seats
[21:06] <AlanBell> ah, maybe it was the 18:39 you missed
[21:07] <bigcalm> This time we'll not queue for tickets and just board the train
[21:07] <bigcalm> So, working backwards
[21:07] <bigcalm> 4/5?
[21:08] <bigcalm> I should check what time I can book into the hotel
[21:08] <bigcalm> s/book/check/
[21:08] <AlanBell> yeah, something like that
[21:08]  * bigcalm googles for farnham swingers hotel
[21:09] <bigcalm> Haha, 1st result
[21:20] <bigcalm> 3pm, so we'll be around from then
[21:20] <bigcalm> You guys have my mobile number, right?
[21:22] <bigcalm> Well, I guess email will work just as well
[21:22] <bigcalm> Time for bed. Bloody long drive for me in the morning
[22:31] <AlanBell> bigcalm: get ticket, then go to pub :)
[23:15] <diddledan> does anybody have any insider knowledge on the likelihood of google releasing a new phone anytime soon?
[23:17] <diddledan> aah rumours say octember
[23:18] <linuxliam> i  keep experincing random wireless disconnections no idea why as i've replaced the router
[23:19] <ali1234> because wireless is rubbish
[23:19] <diddledan> wired is where it's at!
[23:19] <diddledan> preferably with string
[23:50] <ali1234> that mark shuttleworth beer ad looks really weird...
[23:50] <diddledan> o_O
[23:50] <ali1234> like they've shrunk his face


[00:57] <Riddell> uploading plasma to vivid (incomplete needs baloo kfilemetadata sddm-kcm and pokit-kde added)
[01:04] <Riddell> I also missed out bluedevil due to needing bluez
[01:04]  * Riddell sleeps
[01:17]  * sitter wants CI to build faster -.-
[01:43] <sitter> eeek
[01:43] <sitter> ppa full
[01:43] <sitter> -.-
[01:44] <sitter> wgrant: bump to 10 gib on https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/stable and https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/stable-daily and https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/stable-weekly would be lovely
[01:45] <wgrant> sitter: Done.
[01:46] <sitter> wgrant: thank you :)
[07:19] <soee> good morning
[08:56] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:14] <Majdi> lordievader, morning
[10:19] <sheytan> Hey, is there any iso already with plasma 5.2 beta?
[10:25] <sitter> sheytan: nope
[10:25] <sheytan> sitter: will there be one?
[10:25] <sitter> probably
[10:26] <sitter> beta landing was a bit delayed by working on dependencies and other tech
[10:26] <sitter> sheytan: I think tomorrow's daily of vivid would have it
[10:38] <lordievader> Hey Majdi, how are you doing?
[10:45] <Majdi> lordievader, all ok, what about you ?
[10:46] <lordievader> Doing good here :)
[10:46] <sheytan> sitter: ok, thanks ;)
[10:46] <Majdi> there's just something which keeps troubling me
[10:47] <lordievader> Majdi: And that is?
[10:48] <Majdi> I already wrote about it yesterday in the channel, well it's some issue with a plasmoid written in python
[10:48] <Majdi> I'll just paste you yesterdays' messages
 ovidiu-florin, great! I'm trying to change a plasmoid's text color because it doesn't get along with my wallpaper. The widget is transparent
 The source code looks like this http://pastebin.com/EAT8dZe4
 I don't know really what to edit, I guess the needed property would be self.theme.something or self.layout.something
 couldn't find any documentation that could help though
[10:48] <Majdi> * keithzg a quitté (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
 I found that http://api.kde.org/pykde-4.3-api/plasma/index.html
 If that could help anyhow
[10:50] <lordievader> Majdi: The code never sets a color.
[10:50] <Majdi> oh, that's why
[10:51] <Majdi> so how can I prevent the widget from using the theme's color ?
[10:52] <Majdi> I know you can do that, another plasmoid that I got on my desktop does it by default ...
[10:52] <lordievader> Majdi: Reading the documentation on how to set colors?
[10:52] <Majdi> did that
[10:52] <Majdi> lordievader, there's nothing really in the documentation about that
[10:52] <Majdi> not that I found
[10:54] <lordievader> Majdi: Do you have PyQt experience?
[10:54] <lordievader> Majdi: http://api.kde.org/pykde-4.7-api/plasma/Plasma.Label.html http://api.kde.org/pykde-4.7-api/plasma/Plasma.Svg.html
[10:55] <Majdi> lordievader, not at all :(
[10:56] <lordievader> Ah never mind the svg documentation, that is not used. Anyhow you can tell the label to be a certain color.
[10:58] <lordievader> Majdi: You can even give the label a stylesheet.
[10:58] <Majdi> lordievader, alright, thanks for your help, I'll try to figure it out
[10:59] <Majdi> lordievader, I was thinking to add a line which would look like that more or less : self.label.TextColor or so
[10:59] <Majdi> = #eeee
[11:00] <Majdi> I guess
[11:00] <lordievader> Majdi: Don't think QtGui.QLabel has a TextColor method, perhaps it has setTextColor. Not sure.
[11:01] <Majdi> maybe just a setColor method then ? the plasmoid has just 4 lines of text
[11:02] <lordievader> Majdi: Read the documentation ;)
[11:02] <Majdi> ok :D
[12:00] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:20] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: you around?
[13:51] <apol> can anybody shed some light into this bug? at least confirm it... https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=311422
[14:00] <sitter> apol: I can tell you why exactly it happpens, I have a #warning here xD
[14:01] <apol> sitter: explain it in the bug report if you can, this way next time I go bug-triaging I won't just pout and click next :P
[14:01] <sitter> not hard to fix tho, maybe
[14:01] <apol> doesn't look like it should be
[14:01] <apol> especially if you are on a kubuntu system
[14:01]  * apol winks at everyone on the channel, one by one
[14:02]  * shadeslayer hands apol a kubuntu ISO
[14:02] <shadeslayer> actually, I have a USB with Kubuntu Plasma 5 right now :P
[14:03] <shadeslayer> also, apparently we released a Plasma 5 ISO where SDDM is busted
[14:03] <shadeslayer> ( didn't start for me, had to update )
[14:04] <sitter> apol: it's not hard regardless, the algorithm is just too dumb
[14:05] <sitter> as are all algorithms in deb-installer as we have noticed in that RR you hold hostage :P
[14:05] <apol> sitter: which RR?
[14:06] <sitter> the one with the very long and ugly dependency resolver
[14:06] <sitter> https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/121730/
[14:07]  * apol just puked a little in his mouth
[14:07] <sitter> that function is also an abomination, alas, I don't dare refactor since it's not tested xD
[14:07] <sitter> actually
[14:07] <apol> yep
[14:07] <sitter> the really shit about this is
[14:07] <sitter> qapt shouldn't contain this logic
[14:07] <sitter> like at all
[14:07] <sitter> that crap shoudl have been implemented in apt-pkg 5 years ago
[14:08] <sitter> there's even a todo about it in the header I think
[14:08] <apol> +5000
[14:08] <sitter> I think there's architectural problems though
[14:09] <apol> yes, there's probably a debian policy disallowing new features
[14:10] <sitter> since apt only works on a package source list that is put into the cache; resolving a random deb (or a set of debs) would require them somehow injecting them into the apt cache, which I suppose can have all sorts of side effects given the design premise
[14:10] <sitter> of course that problem would totally go away they simply merged dpkg into apt-get >.<
[14:11] <sitter> silly separations are silly
[14:17] <apol> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=325419 ^^'
[14:25] <sitter> apol: I think we talked about this at some point and fixed it
[14:26] <sitter> the function doing the check was called multiple times
[14:26] <apol> sitter: I think so too, there's another one open by you very similar
[14:26] <sitter> and python being so fat would then munch of mem
[14:26] <apol> sitter: so it's all good now?
[14:26] <sitter> apol: not sure, best be checked I guess
[14:26] <sitter> I haven't noticed it anymore in a while though, so probably fixed
[14:28] <apol> sitter: if you could check, I'd be immensely happy
[14:29] <sitter> earliest next week
[14:30] <apol> ok, happiness can wait :)
[14:34] <apol> again, can anybody try this one?
[14:34] <apol> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326978
[15:01] <apol> sitter: maybe? *.*
[15:02] <sitter> apol: that's complicated
[15:02] <apol> how?
[15:03] <sitter> that patch is going to change/goway/upstream/whatever though, so the origin doesn't apply to plasma5 right now anyway
[15:03] <sitter> as for the crash itself: a) you need to get an untrusted source error out of qapt and then reload the cache
[15:03] <sitter> getting former is tricky
[15:03] <apol> sitter: can you comment it? maybe we can just close the bug somehow?
[15:04] <sitter> close report on launchpad
[15:04] <sitter> actually
[15:04] <sitter> yeah
[15:04] <sitter> close report on launchpad if still applicable
[15:05] <sitter> the code in question doesn't even exist anymore, so I doubt this is useful at all
[15:06] <apol> sitter: what's the launchpad URL?
[15:07] <sitter> just tell him to run ubuntu-bug kde-runtime
[15:07] <sitter> that'll handle the rest
[15:07] <apol> done
[15:08] <apol> sitter: by the way, did you see I finally removed muon-installer?
[15:09] <sitter> yes
[15:09] <sitter> <3
[15:11]  * BluesKaj hopes muon stick s around for a while, that software center is ok, but not a s reference for application/package info
[15:14] <sitter> BluesKaj: you could maintain it, I hear there's an open position for maintainer :)
[15:15] <BluesKaj> sitter, you're joking of course :)
[15:17] <sitter> no?
[15:17] <sitter> muon package manager isn't really maintained
[15:40] <BluesKaj> sitter, I'm  a tester, I know nothing of package management or maintenance, merely a home user
[15:49] <sitter> all things that can be learned
[15:49] <sitter> I am just saying if you find muon useful you might want to consider caring for it on a prgramming side of things
[15:53] <BluesKaj> sitter, I use for reference info mostly , so any simple gui package manager will do since I usually use the konsole to install packages
[15:56] <apol> sitter: can you check the e-mail I sent before?
[16:10] <Sick_Rimmit> BluesKaj: I would be willing to help you, I have only limited knowledge, but what could possibly go wrong :-)
[16:10] <Sick_Rimmit> I like Muon too, but I think we could make it better
[16:12] <apol> BluesKaj, Sick_Rimmit: I would be very very very happy to mentor some love-giving to muon package manager
[16:12] <Sick_Rimmit> OK Sounds like a possibility
[16:13] <apol> just went through all muon bugs, there's many bug reports that look easy to solve
[16:14] <apol> BluesKaj, Sick_Rimmit: https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=CONFIRMED&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&component=muon&list_id=1187178&product=muon&query_format=advanced
[16:15] <Sick_Rimmit> OK so plenty of Bugs comming in then
[16:15] <sitter> apol: which email I have like 300 in my inbox ...
[16:16] <Sick_Rimmit> Does it need porting to the latest version of QT, and Plasma 5 ?
[16:16] <BluesKaj> Sick_Rimmit, apol, I really wouldn't have time to learn something new that requires a lot of attention right now...I prefer to let the knowlegable devs handle that kind of thing
[16:16] <Sick_Rimmit> Or can it just be a maintain what's there
[16:16] <apol> Sick_Rimmit: no, it's ported already
[16:17] <Sick_Rimmit> BluesKaj: Well, I could break it and you could test it
[16:17] <Sick_Rimmit> apol: Ah OK, that's pretty good then
[16:17] <apol> Sick_Rimmit, BluesKaj: in fact, some testing of the Qt5 version would be good already
[16:17] <BluesKaj> Sick_Rimmit, yeah, that sounds like it could work :)
[16:17] <Sick_Rimmit> Maybe I could look after it, I am certainly willing to have a look at the code, and see how much my brain hurts
[16:17] <apol> BluesKaj: well, there's not really knowledgeable developers handling muon at the moment, that's the problem
[16:18] <apol> the code is pretty good
[16:18] <Sick_Rimmit> Do you have a link to the code source ?
[16:18] <apol> uses models and views properly and display is quite separate from the backends
[16:18] <BluesKaj> well, I know nothing about code, that's my point, or one of them at least
[16:20] <apol> Sick_Rimmit: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=muon.git
[16:20] <apol> you'll better clone it and examine locally
[16:21] <Sick_Rimmit> Brilliant, I was looking but could find it, my biggest problem is finding my way around
[16:21] <apol> Sick_Rimmit: feel free to ping me if you have questions
[16:21] <Sick_Rimmit> Yep, What I will do, I am work now, but I will sent those links to me at home, and clone it and take a look
[16:21] <apol> or ask in the kubuntu-devel mailing list if you prefer
[16:21] <apol> ok
[16:22] <Sick_Rimmit> If I think I can do anything to get involved then I'll certainly try
[16:22] <Sick_Rimmit> Worst that could happen is I fail, and well it's in no worse state
[16:25] <apol> nah, it's going to be fine, you'll see
[16:27] <Sick_Rimmit> OK, cool well with your mentor help and BluesKaj doing a bit of testing, we might just have a thing
[16:27] <Sick_Rimmit> Sounds like a lot of fun
[16:30] <apol> :)
[16:30] <apol> <:o)
[16:42] <arch-kubu> he following packages have unmet dependencies:
[16:42] <arch-kubu>  kio-extras : Depends: kio-extras-data (= 4:5.1.95-0ubuntu1) but 4:5.1.2+git20150104.0043+15.04-0ubuntu0 is installed
[16:42] <arch-kubu> E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f.
[16:43] <arch-kubu>  -f tends to break things
[16:51] <BluesKaj> Sick_Rimmit, yeah, i think muon is worth saving, that'll be a good thing :)
[16:53] <Sick_Rimmit> BluesKaj: Well I can give it a try, and it's as good a place as any to get involved in commiting some code back to KDE
[17:03] <BluesKaj> well, i sure hope they fix plasma5 before KDE5 aopears on the scene
[17:39] <_Groo_> arch-kubu: it works here (utopic) ii  kio-extras-data                                             4:5.1.95+git20150115.0205+14.10-0ubuntu0           all          Extra functionality for kioslaves data files.
[17:39] <apol> BluesKaj: what does that mean? Plasma 5 has been on the scene for a while already
[17:39] <_Groo_> try apt-get update again,maybe it wasnt published when you tried to upgrade
[17:52] <arch-kubu> i had to remove the ubuntu-ci  repo
[17:53] <arch-kubu> plasma 5 vivid doesnt need any other repos  other than default to stay current is my new understanding
[17:54] <arch-kubu> per sitter
[17:56] <arch-kubu> wiki is misleading as a result of this new info
[19:28] <soee> i see 5.2beta in vivid archive, whohoo :)
[19:34] <soee> thers a problem with /var/cache/apt/archives/kio-extras-data_4%3a5.1.95-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[19:34] <soee> bbrb
[19:37] <soee> hmm apps dont have window decoration now :/
[19:38] <soee> any idea how to fix it ?
[19:52] <yofel> kwin_x11 running?
[19:53] <soee> yofel: yes, but do all packages are already in archive ?
[19:54] <soee> maybe some are missing and thats why decorations are gone, i tried to enable staging but then a lot of packages is marked to be removed etc. soe total mess :)
[19:56] <yofel> looking at vivid-changes the upload list looks complete. Maybe something wasn't built..
[19:57] <soee> not sure, there was one problem during upgrades with kio-extras-data do i had to use --force-overwrite
[19:58] <soee> one moment let me reboot again
[20:00] <soee> yofel: ok after reboot i have them :) but plasmashell didn't start had to start it manually
[20:03] <soee> activities does not work at all
[20:17] <arch-kubu> I just ran into that mess and had to reinstall
[20:20] <arch-kubu> on a 2nd vm  Im in the same mess  I force removed  kio-extras-data and reinstalled it   which messes with  kio-mtp
[20:20] <soee> arch-kubu: works pretty nice
[20:20] <soee> im dissapointed that activites manager does not worl
[20:20] <soee> *work
[20:21] <arch-kubu> wat  ?   you sound confused
[20:21] <arch-kubu> works nice even though its broke?
[20:21] <soee> arch-kubu: the overal view is nice :)
[20:22] <soee> the only think  noticed so far are activities not working
[20:22] <soee> *thing


[00:01] <xubuntu10w> hello everyone, just downloaded 16.04 and noticed a tiny issue with the installer, can I just leave this here with somebody?
[00:02] <DrCool> I think there is a website to report bugs
[00:03] <DrCool> and make sure it's not already reported.
[00:23] <squinty> !bugs
[00:31] <xubuntu50w> hello, I came here from the xubuntu support page. I just installed 16.04 and it's working mostly fine so far, but the software center is completely empty. Is this is known issue? Are there any solutions?
[00:35] <xubuntu50w> It looks like this no matter what I do (link to screenshot): http://imgur.com/YBra8t7
[00:53] <xubuntu50w> I also tried to download chrome via the .deb file. When opened in Software, it just shows a spinning wheel forever.
[01:12] <squinty> xubuntu50w,  yes it seems to be buggy (even in unity version too) re chrome -> download chrome deb page from there website -> install gdebi (sudo apt install gdebi) -> use file manager to highlight chrome deb file -> right click and select "open with" ->  gdebi will then check for dependancies resolution and if are all met then will install chrome
[01:15] <xubuntu50w> thanks squinty! glad to know it's a known issue. are there any known workarounds to gnome-software right now?
[01:20] <squinty> xubuntu50w,  not that I am aware of personally but to be honest, haven't really been monitoring the situation except at a very superficial level.  :P
[01:30] <xubuntu50w> Okay, thanks squinty. I'll hope for a fix soon.
[03:09] <xubuntu28w> hello
[03:28] <JeZxLee> great OS, any ETA on an AMD proprietary display driver fix for 16.04 ?
[05:29] <xubuntu92w>  needing assistance in installing virtual windows 7 box on xubuntu unsuccessful
[06:17] <xubuntu44i> Hello!
[06:17] <xubuntu44i> so, what's up guys?
[06:22] <xubuntu44i> mmmm im bored guys
[06:22] <xubuntu44i> :/
[12:01] <LeMike> hello. I have "terminator --new-tab" bound to the keys "Meta+T". unfotunately a new terminal is started everytime. It should be a new tab in the existing terminator instance. Am I forgetting something here?
[13:30] <newbie89> I have upgraded 16.04 from 15.10. but have a problem with Qt applications
[13:30] <newbie89> that using Qt5, Qt4 library. all UI font size is set to very small.
[13:30] <newbie89> Does this only my problem ?
[13:32] <knome> newbie89, you might want to ask #kubuntu as they know more about qt; it's possible that xubuntu doesn't have some configuration files available (since xubuntu doesn't itself use qt), and that might cause your issue
[13:33] <newbie89> i see
[16:51] <xubuntu95w> Just installed Voyager 16.04 LTS, but, right hand menu does not appear and the beta extras after install Ubuntu gets hung up and doesn't work properly
[16:53] <pleia2> xubuntu95w: you'll want to ask the Voyager folks about that, they use a very different setup from Xubuntu so it's difficult for us to help
[16:53] <xubuntu95w> Okay, thanks for your help.
[16:54] <pleia2> (we don't even have a right hand menu by default, for instance)
[16:54] <recon_lap> I got a borked install of mysql-server 5.7 , won't install or uninstall , any suggestions on how to fix it?
[16:54] <pleia2> recon_lap: paste.ubuntu.com the error?
[16:54] <recon_lap> keep getting E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code(1)
[16:55] <pleia2> that doesn't help much :) what command were you running to get that?
[16:56] <recon_lap> sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:56] <recon_lap> pretty much any apt-get command gives that error now.
[16:56] <pleia2> so how do you know it's mysql?
[16:57] <pleia2> I don't doubt you, but you're not giving much information here ;)
[16:57] <recon_lap> errors encountered while processing : mysql-server-5.7
[16:57] <pleia2> ok, can you paste.ubuntu.com how you got into this situation?
[16:58] <pleia2> usually there's more than just "errors encountered" - like the errors
[16:59] <recon_lap> I wanted to try remove all mysql files to stop old data persisting, after uninstalling and removing all mysql files, then trying to reinstall it failed with that error
[17:00] <recon_lap> it's the normal story of a slow slide into madness
[17:00] <pleia2> without the actual commands you're making it very hard for me to help you, but as a stab in the dark you might start with: apt-get install -f
[17:00] <pleia2> that can start untangling the dependencies
[17:01] <recon_lap> get the generic error message again, error code (1) from apt-get install -f
[17:01] <pleia2> do you happen to have aptitude installed?
[17:02] <recon_lap> no aptitude installed
[17:03] <pleia2> so at this point I'd try a few things, like installing the mysql-server .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives, seeing if any other mysql packages are installed (dpkg -l | grep mysql) and whether I can uninstall them
[17:04] <pleia2> when apt gets wedged like this it's a bit tricky, but I typically find a way out eventually :)
[17:04] <recon_lap> found a thread on askubuntu about this exact issue, I'll work throug that for a while, thx for the help though
[17:05] <pleia2> good luck
[17:13] <recon_lap> installed synaptic, then removed all mysql packages and now apt-get working properly :)
[17:15] <pleia2> yeah, synaptic uses aptitude as the back end (so you have aptitude now too!)
[17:15] <pleia2> it's much better at sorting through these things
[17:26] <monkey01> Hi all. I would appreciate to get some help for starting x11vnc automatically - my previous 14.04 based configuration has become obsolete due to the new way services are managed (systemd).
[20:19] <mata> Hi folks
[20:19] <mata> im new to linux
[20:19] <knome> hello
[20:19] <mata> just switched from win
[20:19] <mata> using xubuntu
[20:20] <mata> which is great, so far eeverething is  working but having problems vith viber, installs good but wont open... googled everywhere but no solution
[20:20] <mata> telegram is working great
[20:21] <mata> get it, this is not a helpdesk...
[20:22] <knome> this is the support channel, but everyone is a volunteer; answers will often likely take more than 2 minutes to appear
[20:22] <mata> there are many factors that i shud present and then ask for help
[20:22] <mata> i know, but im asking stupid qouestin
[20:22] <mata> just realized
[20:22] <knome> i don't even know what viber is - is it available in the ubuntu repositories or only somewhere else?
[20:22] <knome> if only somewhere else, the suggested method is to ask for help from the maintainer
[20:23] <mata> on their official site there is .deb pakacke
[20:24] <Fohlen> anyone has an idea how'd I "totally" clear the Whisker menu? I've modified it in like Ubuntu 12.10 with some manual entries (Eclipse and Steam) and since then stuff resides there. Couldn't figure out a way to do it
[20:24] <Fohlen> just pulled off Xenial, restored backup, and heya, bullshit is back again
[20:24] <Fohlen> it'd be nice just clearing the menu
[20:24] <Fohlen> menulibre doesn't see the entries though
[20:29] <RangerBob> I think they're under .local or .config
[20:29] <knome> ~/.local/share/applications/
[20:30] <flocculant> mmm
[20:31] <flocculant> knome: not sure - I have Acs - runs lo calc with q spreadsheet - not finding it
[20:31] <Fohlen> knome: furthermore the menu arrangement is not as in default install. I also miss the "Software Center" for some reasons
[20:31] <Fohlen> I'd be happy for some sort of "reset that stuff." option
[20:34] <flocculant> Fohlen: the software centre thing is in itself not really a support issue - we had no real option there
[20:34] <flocculant> either keep the old one - and lose all support
[20:34] <flocculant> or move to new one - and keep support
[20:35] <flocculant> change back to synaptic - and lose the options available from usc or gs
[20:35] <flocculant> alternatively - we could move, then let people know the downside to it - and possible ways to mitigate the issues
[20:35] <flocculant> which we are looking to do pretty soon
[20:36] <Fohlen> alrighty. Cleared everything from .local/share and .config and now I got a nice little menu back again
[20:37] <Fohlen> flocculant: but (correct me if I am mistaken), Xubuntu does ship some "App Centre", doesn't it? Because I really can't find it, but I used it on first-login
[20:37] <flocculant> Fohlen: mmm - software iirc
[20:37] <Fohlen> flocculant: what's the package called?
[20:37] <Fohlen> :D
[20:37] <flocculant> well
[20:38] <Fohlen> it seems to be gone on my computer. Might been removed during the upgrade, hmm.
[20:38] <flocculant> the official name is GNOME Software - should be found with software in whisker
[20:38] <Fohlen> nope
[20:38] <flocculant> Fohlen: oh right - shouldn't have been lost
[20:39] <flocculant> dpkg -l gnome-software
[20:40] <Fohlen> it's there, although the menu entry is lost
[20:40] <flocculant> mmm
[20:40] <Fohlen> maybe apt-get purge && reinstall will bring it back!
[20:40] <flocculant> apt-get reinstall perhaps
[20:40] <flocculant> snap :)
[20:43] <Fohlen> flocculant: purge && reinstall brought it back :)
[20:44] <Fohlen> this one is lovely. Much easier to work with than Canonical's thing
[20:44] <Fohlen> and not so blunted with advertising (...)
[20:44] <flocculant> Fohlen: well
[20:45] <flocculant> great till you try and find something that's not got a gui, great till you install something like amarok
[20:45] <Fohlen> :D
[20:46] <flocculant> won't find non-gui apps, leaves all dependencies behind ;)
[20:46] <Fohlen> that's the trouble you go along with apt-get
[20:46] <Fohlen> :D
[20:46]  * flocculant reported these issues - should still be on the notes
[20:46] <flocculant> Fohlen: well the old usc dealt with dependencies seemingly
[20:47] <flocculant> not that I'm completely sure - either terminal or synaptic here :D
[20:47] <Fohlen> did it? Always messed up for me anyhow.. I tend to "clean behind" with terminal after everything I do
[20:47] <Fohlen> :D
[20:47] <Fohlen> but it's nice for some simple things
[20:48] <flocculant> yea yea :)
[20:48] <Fohlen> Having an off-topic question: does anyone, by any chance, know a plug-in/add-on for VLC which adds collection capabilites?
[20:48] <flocculant> Fohlen: afaik it did
[20:48] <Fohlen> always loved VLC but it sucks so hard for organizing your stuff nicely :(
[20:49]  * flocculant moves to -offtopic and says 'I hate VLC' there
[20:49] <flocculant> Fohlen: #xubuntu-offtopic and we can chat about that issue for ages :D
[20:49] <Fohlen> flocculant: the only "real" package GUI is Synaptic :P
[20:49] <Fohlen> kk
[20:50] <flocculant> that or a gui terminal and apt-get :D
[20:50] <Fohlen> XD
[20:50] <Fohlen> a gui terminal
[20:50] <Fohlen> like.
[20:53] <flocculant> :)
[21:19] <flocculant> aaronraimist: that's probably useful info you added to the bug - might actually mean it IS lightlocker - I'm not technical though
[21:19] <flocculant> thanks :)
[21:22] <aaronraimist> flocculant: great, thanks for the info
[21:35] <recon_lap> I'm trying to stop the desktop manager to install nvidia drivers, but I just get a blank screen when I do a sudo service lightdm stop , any ideas?
[21:36] <flocculant> recon_lap: I assume you have a need to not use the repos driver is the only thing I'd say
[21:37] <recon_lap> flocculant: the one's in the repos are not working very well, only get one screen size
[21:37] <flocculant> if so you'd be better to do that in vt1 or something - vt7 is gui land
[21:37] <flocculant> I'd assume at least
[21:38] <recon_lap> seem to be having trouble getting grub to remember nomodeset parameter as well
[21:38] <flocculant> do it in vt1 - sudo update-grub, actually manually edit /etc/default/grub if necessary
[21:39] <recon_lap> update-grub does not seem to be saving that option to the boot parameters
[21:39] <flocculant> sudo nano /etc/default/grub
[21:40] <flocculant> make sure it's there - add it if not - update-grub
[21:40] <flocculant> is what I would do
[21:41] <recon_lap> flocculant: thx, and ctrl+alt+f2 get me down to a low level run level
[21:42] <flocculant> not sure - thought you had to boot to low level
[21:44] <recon_lap> well, fingers crossed I don't explode my system :) this brings back memory s of 2006
[21:45] <flocculant> :)
[22:08] <recon_lap> well, that was a bust, can't load module


[13:02] <Linux-Beginner> hi
[13:02] <Linux-Beginner> I need help
[13:03] <Linux-Beginner> I need to make an external HDD bootable
[15:44] <foofighter> howdy! I'm attempting to upgrade from 22 LTS to 23, and tried to follow the instructions here: https://docs.xubuntu.org/current/user/C/migrating-upgrading.html
[15:45] <foofighter> However, after setting `Prompt=normal` and running `sudo apt upgrade`, I don't get the upgrade
[15:45] <foofighter> am I missing something?
[17:28] <diogenes_Vx15> !fr | diogenes_
[21:00] <goker> yo yo yo
[22:37] <stuv> hey folks
[22:37] <stuv> i get crazy with xscreen
[22:37] <stuv> i have a script that setup my graphic tablet pen to the first monitor, but when i add the script to the session manager it does not work


[09:10] <Soul-Sing> Description of poll: Hello irc-ers. Voting for 3 slots on the IRC Council. Winners will be determined using the beatpath method on Condorcet. Voting is open to all Ubuntu IRC Team members.
[09:10] <Soul-Sing> is this poll closed?
[09:11] <Soul-Sing>  http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/vote.pl?id=E_2c822c0exxxxxxkey=11eed3exxxxxx gives a poll closed