[16:59] <chimeracoder> ActionParsnip: well, what confuses me is that it's both "authenticated" and "associated"
[17:00] <jhutchins_wk> Vivekananda_:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub
[17:00] <Vivekananda_> oo okay
[17:00] <Strav> hitsujiTMO: yes it shows up (well when I tried in alsamixer), let me see with aplay -l
[17:00] <chimeracoder> but I had no network access (even pinging didn't work)
[17:00] <chimeracoder> (this is what typically happens)
[17:00] <reisio> Vivekananda_: installing grub to the mbr is not usually very involved, so you don't need a backup of what it does
[17:00] <Strav> hitsujiTMO: yes it shows up.
[17:00] <jhutchins_wk> chimeracoder: You probably don't have an address and gateway.
[17:01] <hitsujiTMO> Strav: does seem to be a pulse issue so, something i know nothing about.
[17:01] <jhutchins_wk> chimeracoder: association is the first layer, then authentication, then usually DHCP to configure the iface.
[17:01] <Vivekananda_> reisio, I remember that for earlier lts of ubuntu what I did was just copy over mbr into a file and then overwrite that on the original using a live stick. That is the reason I was getting confused here
[17:01] <chimeracoder> jhutchins_wk: why should I need to do DHCP again if I was already connected to begin with, thouh?
[17:01] <Strav> hitsujiTMO: thanks anyways.
[17:02] <chimeracoder> and furthermor, why would it succeed once, then fail (repeatedly) until I restart my computer?
[17:02] <reisio> Vivekananda_: you can do that, it's just not likely to be necessary
[17:02] <jhutchins_wk> chimeracoder: I assumed that you had lost your connection.  It's worth checking to see if you have a valid address route and dns.
[17:02] <Vivekananda_> okay
[17:03] <jhutchins_wk> chimeracoder: Is there somethiing in particular that causes it to loose connection?
[17:03] <chimeracoder> jhutchins_wk: nope
[17:03] <jhutchins_wk> chimeracoder: How long does it stay up?
[17:03] <chimeracoder> I mean, I've noticed it happens *faster* in certain parts of the office (a difference of 15 feet)
[17:03] <chimeracoder> but it happens everywhere
[17:03] <chimeracoder> (at least eventually)
[17:03] <reisio> the only reason I can think of to back up the mbr, offhand, is if you wanted to be 100% certain nobody inserted anything nasty in there, like something to load a rootkit
[17:03] <reisio> plenty of time for that kind of security paranoia later on :p
[17:04] <hitsujiTMO> reisio: or you will beinstalling another os later but want to use thta grub
[17:04] <hitsujiTMO> that*
[17:04] <reisio> it wouldn't realistically save you any time over just reinstalling grub altogether
[17:04] <jhutchins_wk> Vivekananda_: grub-install has pretty much always worked, but it requires you to mount special filesystems and chroot.
[17:05] <chimeracoder> jhutchins_wk: it usually happens within 2-5 minutes
[17:05] <jhutchins_wk> Vivekananda_: Using dd to copy and restore the MBR is simpler for some people.
[17:05] <jhutchins_wk> chimeracoder: Have a look at dmesg. Is the system resetting the interface because you're not getting an IPv6 address?
[17:06] <moppy> a good assumption but it assumes your machine's UEFI works properly  which isn't a given these days
[17:06] <chimeracoder> jhutchins_wk: I don't think that's what's happening. dhcp always gives that line when it first requests an address
[17:06] <moppy> i've had to jump though so many hoops with some UEFI installations, that I begin to dread installations on them
[17:06] <chimeracoder> also, looking at the timestamps, it seems that the problem starts around "[  437.409724] wlan0: direct probe to 00:1a:1e:74:70:f0 (try 1/3)"
[17:08] <biella_> sure
[17:08] <trevnorris> I've installed the nvidia drivers, and deleted my /etc/X11/xorg.conf. when I use the nvidia-settings to auto detect when I've plugged in/un plugged a new monitor it works great. but I have to do this manually every time. is there a way to automatically run autodetect when a monitor is plugged in/unplugged?
[17:09] <StrangeNoises> trevnorris, no, it should just be working, pretty much
[17:09] <StrangeNoises> i think
[17:09] <StrangeNoises> hang on
[17:09]  * StrangeNoises pulls a cable out
[17:09] <StrangeNoises> ok,it dealt well with me pulling out one monitor
[17:09] <joncam> Hey lovely ubuntu people - I just spent far too much time in a deep depmod rabbit hole that the kind folks at Evolution helped me out of.  Please advise if there's a decent way to get Evolution > 3.8.4 in Ubuntu? I'm at 13.10
[17:09] <StrangeNoises> gathered everything immediately on the second one
[17:09]  * StrangeNoises reaches over to plug it back in again
[17:10] <StrangeNoises> yep, that worked, even moved the same windows back to the second monitor
[17:10] <trevnorris> StrangeNoises: yeah, and it used to do the same before I upgraded to 13.10
[17:10]  * StrangeNoises is on 13.10
[17:10]  * StrangeNoises is also using nvidia-319-updates
[17:10] <hitsujiTMO> joncam have you looked for a ppa?
[17:10] <jhutchins_wk> !ipv6
[17:10] <StrangeNoises> so maybe newer driver version will help
[17:11] <jhutchins_wk> chimeracoder: I would suggest disabling ipv6 and see if that fixes it.
[17:11] <cpined> greetings...I'm having boot up problems...since yesterday when I turn on my 10 year old PC it takes 4 minutes to see the Grub menu, where I select Ubuntu or Windows..and then it takes about a minute to actually launch the OS selected...any ideas?
[17:11] <trevnorris> StrangeNoises: ok. I went all the way to nvidia-331 to see if they'd work. I'll try 319-updates to see if it helps.
[17:11] <chimeracoder> jhutchins_wk: okay
[17:11] <joncam> hitsujiTMO: definitely, and that dropped me into a pretty bad ppa/depmod fail state, I had to ppa-purge myself out of
[17:11] <StrangeNoises> 331 exists? or typo?
[17:11] <chimeracoder> how do I do that?
[17:11] <StrangeNoises> for 313?
[17:11] <trevnorris> StrangeNoises: no. it exists.
[17:12] <StrangeNoises> well, i've had issues using drivers directly from nvidia (though they tend to work, but the dkms stuff doesn't always work right)
[17:12] <StrangeNoises> so uninstall that fully, install package nvidia-319-updates. it certainly works for me
[17:12] <trevnorris> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa
[17:12] <trevnorris> sudo apt-get update, well. you know the rest.
[17:12] <StrangeNoises> (geForce 520 btw)
[17:12] <hitsujiTMO> joncam: if it's just one item you need, best to build it yourself, however, you'll need to be careful that the versions of the dependencies in ubuntu are suitable for that version of evo
[17:12] <StrangeNoises> aaaah, well, no wonder it's broken, you installed xorg-edgers ;-P
[17:13] <trevnorris> heh, ok.
[17:13] <StrangeNoises> might try a ppa-purge on that then
[17:13] <trevnorris> ok
[17:13] <hitsujiTMO> trevnorris: did you do an upgrade? after installing that ppa?
[17:14] <trevnorris> hitsujiTMO: yeah, update, upgrade, dist-upgrade, the usual
[17:14] <StrangeNoises> regardless, the behaviour he's looking for should be working without edgers, so best get rid of it unless there's some other compelling reason to have it
[17:14] <chimeracoder> jhutchins_wk: okay, just disabled ipv6 - restarting now...
[17:14] <hitsujiTMO> trevnorris: sorry, meant release upgrade?
[17:15] <trevnorris> i'll be back in a bit. going to try that out
[17:15] <joncam> hitsujiTMO: I've been trying to avoid that step if at all possible, just because there is a relatively complex web of specific dependencies
[17:17] <cpined> greetings...I'm having boot up problems...since yesterday when I turn on my 10 year old PC it takes 4 minutes to see the Grub menu, where I select Ubuntu or Windows..and then it takes about a minute to actually launch the OS selected...any ideas?
[17:18] <StrangeNoises> cpined, sounds like bios/hardware issue; ubuntu stuff only gets started once grub's running
[17:18] <m_m2001> ciao
[17:18] <l9> anyone that can help me understand how too change the text  infront of a input field in django admin? like First_Name should  be First name: and so
[17:18] <m_m2001> !list
[17:18] <SPEEDWAVE> hi everyone
[17:18] <moppy> l9, try #django
[17:19] <hitsujiTMO> joncam: apt-get build-dep evolution will install the build dependencies for you
[17:19] <cpined> StrangeNoises, so pretty much there's nothing that can be done?
[17:20] <StrangeNoises> well, check if there's any bios upgrades available, apply them if there are, reset bios settings (and set anything again if necessary), check your memory...
[17:20] <StrangeNoises> and that's it, i'm spent. :-)
[17:20] <DrGrov> Just asked a question in #ubuntu-se but thought I would ask it here as well just in case. I have a new desktop computer, not a OEM based but completely "empty" from the start. Now I wonder, what kind of partioning should I do in Ubuntu 13.10 64-bit? The motherboard and UEFI makes a difference or?
[17:20] <StrangeNoises> i only have a 10 year old computer in the philosopher's axe sense. its motherboard/cpu has been upgraded about three times in that period
[17:20] <StrangeNoises> case about three times too
[17:21] <StrangeNoises> but at different times
[17:21] <cpined> Gracias
[17:21] <StrangeNoises> DrGrov, yeah, just 64-bit install, use gpt partitioning
[17:21] <StrangeNoises> should all be happy
[17:21] <cpined> well...I have same everything...
[17:21] <cpined> for 10 years
[17:22] <jhutchins_wk> DrGrov: You need a UEFI partition, a root partition, and optionally a swap partition.
[17:22] <existensil> DrGrov: is there some reason you don't want to use automatic partitioning?
[17:22] <StrangeNoises> yeah, just do the default
[17:22] <StrangeNoises> i just did default when i installed on my recent uefi purchase, works fine
[17:22] <existensil> i've had good luck using auto with UEFI
[17:22] <jhutchins_wk> The default partitioning scheem is archaic and unnecessary.
[17:22] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Should I just do it within the 13.10 install as previous Ubuntu versions?
[17:22] <SPEEDWAVE> is there reset factory for ubuntu? just incase..
[17:22] <bet0x> I need a good php ide with projects and ftp support
[17:23] <DrGrov> jhutchins_wk: Oh, I need that UEFI partition as well.
[17:23] <StrangeNoises> DrGrov, yes, just run the installer - in fact i think you *have* to use the standard desktop installer for proper uefi installation
[17:23] <DrGrov> existensil: How does the automatic partioning work then in practice?
[17:23] <StrangeNoises> it'll do it itself
[17:23] <existensil> hold on, let me fire up gparted at tell you... haven't looked at it in months
[17:23] <StrangeNoises> put it this way, it doesn't take long and if i'm wrong you won't have wasted much time and you can ask someone else for a much more complicated answer :-)
[17:23] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: How does it divide the partion stuff? I used to have root, home, swap and tmp.
[17:23] <StrangeNoises> just run the desktop installer, accept the defaults. :-)
[17:24] <hitsujiTMO> DrGrov: I've a guide for a debootstrap minimal install: should give you an idea of the uefi requirements from that: https://wiki.tenmilesout.net/wiki/Ubuntu_Saucy_Debootstrap_Efi_Minimal_Install
[17:24] <DrGrov> existensil: Thanks :)
[17:24] <moppy> unless it bricks due to uefi bug *cough* samsung
[17:24] <morris> hi. i'm on a live session with ubuntu and my sound card is not recognized. i'm following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting up to the point where i should modprobe snd-hda-intel, which hangs indefinitely
[17:24] <DrGrov> hitsujiTMO: Thanks, I will look into it.
[17:24] <StrangeNoises> just waking up my uefi machine (it's the only linux box i have that sleeps properly)
[17:24] <idaniel> Hi guys, I just went to a site that let me put in some commands in the terminal for the game ,Minecraft. I know little about Linux, so I do I retreave it? Where is it? I have downloaded Java already to open it.
[17:25] <StrangeNoises> idaniel, aptitude install openjdk-7-jre
[17:25] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises, existensil The only reason I want to have a root, home, swap and temp is due to old habits. Probably the automatic way is the right way in this case.
[17:25] <jhutchins_wk> DrGrov: /tmp is a pseudo filesystem that resides in memory/swap now, swap is still usually a partition but can be a file (or eliminated).
[17:25] <StrangeNoises> well you can always modify it afterwards
[17:25] <existensil> DrGrov: http://imgur.com/CmO9T44
[17:25] <moppy> idaniel, if it is a minecraft server, their main forum has very detailed instructions on how to install it under Liunx
[17:25] <idaniel> I already have it installed. Does this lead me to minecraft?
[17:25] <jhutchins_wk> DrGrov: Seperate root & home just guarantees that you will run out of space on one while there is plenty of space on the other.
[17:26] <existensil> i also have an mdadm software raid that i have mounted at /home, not shown there of course, since that was configured post install
[17:26] <moppy> idaniel, what exactly are you trying to do?
[17:26] <existensil> that's how it partitioned my 120gb SSD
[17:26] <existensil> i'm quite happy with it. no issues.
[17:27] <StrangeNoises> DrGrov, default is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6342408/
[17:27] <idaniel> I want the game, Minecraft, so I asked google for downloading Minecraft with Ubuntu. I found a site that gave a couple of line commands for the terminal. It looked like it installed it. I am just new with linux and don't know how to bring it up.
[17:27] <StrangeNoises> part1 is mounted on /boot/efi
[17:27] <DrGrov> jhutchins_wk, existensil Can I come back in a bit? I need to test the sound card on a short notice to see if everything else is working as intended.
[17:27] <DrGrov> Brb
[17:27] <DrGrov> quickdry21:
[17:27] <chimeracoder> jhutchins_wk: hm, I haven't gotten disconnected yet
[17:28]  * chimeracoder crosses fingers
[17:28] <moppy> idaniel, install the JVM from the software center (app store) then double click the minecraft file you downloaded
[17:28] <jubale> How can we get around error that .wine isn't owned by root?
[17:28] <idaniel> Well, so ignorant here. Where will my minecraft file be?
[17:28] <jhutchins_wk> chimeracoder: I think that's a known glitch - not exactly a bug, but needs to be configured around.
[17:29] <moppy> idaniel, where you told the browser to save it: probably in your /home/downloads
[17:29] <chimeracoder> jhutchins_wk: why does it discard a working ipv4 connection just to try and make an ipv6 one?
[17:29] <chimeracoder> that makes no sense, haha
[17:29] <gordonjcp> jubale: .wine probably shouldn't be owned by root
[17:29] <moppy> idaniel, the file manager in ubuntu works the same way as windows explorer or apple finder
[17:29] <trevnorris> StrangeNoises: ok. so removed edgers, installed 319-updates. still no dice. should I run nvidia-xconfig?
[17:29] <jubale> I'm not saying it should be. However, I'm trying to install something which requires admin privileges to install and I can't do it via sudo.
[17:29] <idaniel> No, it was a terminal command, so I didn't ask it to save it anywhere.  O.k. I'll try the file manager.
[17:29] <StrangeNoises> trevnorris, hm, well, i don't have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:30] <jhutchins_wk> jubale: You need to find more complete instructions from Minecraft, it isn't something that is standard on Ubuntu.
[17:30] <hitsujiTMO> drGrov: one thing to be aware of is that the efi system partition is not an ordinary vfat partition. it has a special partition id (ef for mbr and ef00 for gpt)
[17:30] <existensil> idaniel: if you downloaded at the terminal, then its probably sitting in your home directory
[17:30] <jubale> Minecraft???
[17:30] <StrangeNoises> so i don't know, except to say, obviously this isn't to do with the versions you're running; must be some other config issue
[17:30] <existensil> hitsujiTMO: he's gone for now
[17:30] <hitsujiTMO> existensil: ahh :P
[17:30] <idaniel> o.k.  I'll keep looking. thanks   Get back to ya later if I need help.
[17:30] <moppy> idaniel, why did you use a terminal command? can't you use the web browser?
[17:30] <jubale> I have a quicker idea. Thanks.
[17:31] <DrGrov> Sound is good at least.
[17:31] <idaniel> Well, I did use the web browser, but the downloads I used were unexecutable.
[17:31] <DrGrov> Now then. So I have a normal 1TB WD drive and a 120GB Kingston SSD.
[17:31] <StrangeNoises> trevnorris, something in .nvidia_settings-rc?
[17:31] <DrGrov> I thought about putting the OS on the SSD and just normal user stuff on the 1tb.
[17:31] <trevnorris> StrangeNoises: good idea. i'll take a look
[17:31] <hitsujiTMO> drGrov: one thing to be aware of is that the efi system partition is not an ordinary vfat partition. it has a special partition id (ef for mbr and ef00 for gpt)
[17:32] <StrangeNoises> DrGrov, well you can always make that change after initial install
[17:32] <StrangeNoises> but use the default layout on the initial install
[17:32] <existensil> DrGrov: that is an excellent solution. i suggest mounting the big drive as your /home and let everything else go on the SSD
[17:32] <StrangeNoises> to get you going
[17:32] <existensil> which is similar to my setup, except /home is an array of 2x2TB drives
[17:32] <chimeracoder> jhutchins_wk: anyway, thanks for the help
[17:33] <DrGrov> existensil: How could I do that easy without making any bigger changes to the automatic setup it does for me?
[17:33] <existensil> you can still use auto partitioning to install the OS to the SSD, and mount the 1TB drive at /home post-install
[17:33] <existensil> assuming the 1TB is formatted, all you'll need to do is add a simple like to /etc/fstab to get it to be your /home
[17:33] <existensil> s/like/line
[17:33] <existensil> i'm sure we can help you with that
[17:34] <StrangeNoises> basically that
[17:34] <StrangeNoises> and rsync the current /home to the new drive
[17:34] <existensil> well, /home is pretty empty post-install anyways... probably just nuke it
[17:34] <existensil> assuming fresh install
[17:35] <DrGrov> existensil: Could I create the partitioning already when I do the install? I want /, /tmp and swap on the SSD but just /home on the 1TB drive. How do I add the ufi partion?
[17:35] <trevnorris> StrangeNoises: for a comparison, would you mind posting your .nvidia-settings-rc file?
[17:35] <StrangeNoises> the main issue is the default desktop installer's partition editor is a bit basic; it's only really happy if you either do all-automatic or all-diy; so i find, best to let it do automatic, decide its swap, boot, efi partitions it needs, then make changes in fstab later
[17:35] <DrGrov> My old harddrive is still in the old box and I got a 3,5" USB holder so I can transfer the stuff from there without needing to keep it in when I install.
[17:35] <existensil> DrGrov: auto partitioning will add the uefi partition. i'd just do that, and add the /home mount after everything is installed
[17:35] <existensil> much easier than trying to muck with the partitions during install
[17:36] <idaniel> So, ummm guys I can't find "Minecraft" in my files. I new with Ubuntu. I went to an online site that let me put a two line command in the terminal for the game, because the other online downloads were "unexecutable". Please help me again.
[17:36] <StrangeNoises> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6342449/ and that was probably from when i had a different nvidia card in it too
[17:36] <StrangeNoises> but similar enough that no changes present that made a difference
[17:36] <StrangeNoises> maybe just delete yours :-)
[17:36] <DrGrov> existensil: So how would I add my /home 1TB drive afterwards?
[17:36] <idaniel> So, spell it out for me how to find "minecraft" since I put it in the terminal. Sorry.
[17:36] <hitsujiTMO> existensil: i wouldn't nuke it. but DrGrov do you really need to mount the 1tb as /home? would it not be easier to mount it withing /mount and ln -s what ever dir in $HOME to whatever folder you want on the drive?
[17:36] <trevnorris> heh, yeah. that might work :)
[17:36] <karthik> nable to install or update or remove any packages ion UBUNTU 12.04 . The error is http://pastebin.com/3EkcfbDD Please lemme know how do i set it alright . I dont want to reinstall since there are lots of apps that i have downloaded and i dont prefer to redownload all of it again. Please help me .i tried for the update manager , apt-get upgrade , adn even synaptic .. nothing helped . dpkg --configure -a gave me " Setting up install-info (4.13a.dfsg.1-8ubuntu2
[17:36] <karthik> ) ... /etc/environment: line 1: PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games: No such file or directory dpkg: error processing install-info (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1=Errors were encountered while processing:install-info"  PLEASE HELP
[17:37] <existensil> DrGrov: just add a line like this to /etc/fstab after the installation...
[17:37] <adamdicarlo> idaniel, did you type minecraft into the unity lens thinger? the find-app screen?
[17:37] <adamk> idaniel: We don't know what commands you put in or what the results were, so we can't really tell you how to run it, or if it's even installed at all.
[17:37] <existensil> /dev/md0  /home  ext4  defaults  0  0
[17:38] <existensil> in my case /dev/md0 is my RAID. yours would be /dev/sda0 or similar, which you can find our exactly through gparted
[17:38] <StrangeNoises> actually
[17:38] <StrangeNoises> don't quite do that
[17:38] <existensil> i'm not using UUIDs like maybe i should :-)
[17:38] <idaniel> umm o.k.  can I copy and paste the commands they gave to you to look at? It did say "o.k." at the end of supposedly installing.
[17:38] <StrangeNoises> use a UUID or LABEL, because drives don't always come back up on the same device nodes
[17:39] <DrGrov> existensil: So I can keep my 1TB drive connected anyhow and just do a automatic install for the 120GB SSD?
[17:39] <existensil> so you might want to listen to StrangeNoises
[17:39] <moppy> idaniel, put it on pastebin, dont flood
[17:39] <existensil> DrGrov: yes
[17:39] <StrangeNoises> so format with a label in gparted, and do eg this (hang on):
[17:39] <hitsujiTMO> existensil: UUIDs are only really needed if your swapping around hhds internally. :P
[17:39] <StrangeNoises> LABEL=Home /home ext4 defaults 0 0
[17:39] <existensil> yeah, but i don't konw what DrGrov's plans are
[17:39] <StrangeNoises> i actually have eg:
[17:39] <hitsujiTMO> s/hhds/hdds
[17:39] <StrangeNoises> LABEL=Vault /media/Vault ext4 rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks2 0 0
[17:40] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Could I do it already now and create a working partition table for both drives?
[17:40] <StrangeNoises> to mount a raid array in /media so it shows up as an icon on launcher etc.
[17:40] <idaniel> Now wait a minute, I was going to go online to copy/paste that for you, but you want me to go into the terminal right? What should I command to get that info?
[17:40] <existensil> i like the label approach instead of using the device nodes
[17:40] <StrangeNoises> DrGrov, probably, but make your life easier: Do a default install and then do that stuff on your installed system
[17:40] <trevnorris> StrangeNoises: hm, well. strange. that just put it into twin view. oh well. must be something else. just wish I could remember what it is I did last time.
[17:40] <StrangeNoises> yes, i use twinview
[17:40] <StrangeNoises> you want to use twinview
[17:41] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: How can I separate the automatic install to choose the SSD and not the regular WD 1TB drive?
[17:41] <jmgk> StrangeNoises:  Stand by Me - Prince Royce heard that song
[17:41] <jmgk> ?
[17:41] <existensil> DrGrov: then automatic install should ask you which hard drive
[17:41] <existensil> it will only partition that one drive
[17:41] <trevnorris> StrangeNoises: well, what happens is that it shows the same on both screens, but when I drag my mouse to the edge it drags the desktop with it.
[17:41] <hitsujiTMO> DrGrov: it should default to the ssd if it's physically connected to sata0
[17:42] <StrangeNoises> DrGrov, do the automatic install  select the ssd. install. *then* use gparted to format your other drive and add it to fstab as above. also, disk utility may actually work for you in that simple case
[17:42] <DrGrov> How do I get it to be my home drive then for my user?
[17:42] <adamk> idaniel: Go to http://paste.ubuntu.com/ and put the commands there.  Then submit the form, and give us the URL you get back.
[17:42] <trevnorris> StrangeNoises: so it's like I have one massive desktop of both screens, displayed the same on each screen.
[17:42] <reisio> DrGrov: the 1tb?
[17:43] <DrGrov> reisio: Yes, the 1tb drive as for my user.
[17:43] <idaniel> k
[17:43] <hitsujiTMO> DrGrov: you can set that up post install if it doesn't ask you during the install
[17:43] <reisio> DrGrov: do the "manual" way, you can setup your partitions more specifically
[17:43] <existensil> DrGrov: that will happen after install. after everything is installed and working, you'll format the 1TB drive (with a label), then add that line StrangeNoises provided to /etc/fstab, then reboot.
[17:44] <StrangeNoises> trevnorris, http://strangenoises.org/~rachel/nvidia-settings.png
[17:44] <DrGrov> I would really love to do this the manual way as I have done before. It is just the UEFI stuff I can manage to screw up :)
[17:44] <existensil> somewhere in there you could also copy your home folder over to the 1TB drive in case there is anything you want to keep
[17:44] <StrangeNoises> existensil, in fact you do that anyway
[17:45] <DrGrov> existensil: The problem is that I do not have a home anymore on either drive. I have my home on my old computer where the motherboard burned.
[17:45] <hitsujiTMO> DrGrov: have a look at that guide i posted you ealier. partitioning for efi, itsn't all that difficult
[17:45] <StrangeNoises> format 1TB drive, mount it anywhere, rsync -avhHP /home /media/1tbdrive/; add it to fstab, reboot
[17:45] <DrGrov> And I have a 3,5" USB case for that HDD to copy that stuff afterwards and remove what I need
[17:45] <StrangeNoises> tbh you could avoid the reboot
[17:46] <StrangeNoises> but it's easier to do that than manually get all the efi stuff right, i bet
[17:46] <DrGrov> hitsujiTMO: Could you please link again to the guide? I managed to lose it when I restarted FF
[17:46] <existensil> DrGrov: that makes it easier. after install you can safely delete your brand new home directory on the SSD, change fstab so /home is now pointing to the 1TB drive, then when you reboot you'll have an empty home directory
[17:46] <existensil> which you can then fill with all the stuff from your old machine
[17:46] <karthik> please can somebody help me out with my update issue
[17:46] <DrGrov> existensil: Exactly my point.
[17:46] <hitsujiTMO> DrGrov: https://wiki.tenmilesout.net/wiki/Ubuntu_Saucy_Debootstrap_Efi_Minimal_Install    you can set up the partitions before running the installer, and just assign them in the installer
[17:46] <DrGrov> existensil: I thought because of old habits I would do this stuff manually as always but apparently it is easier to do a automatic install.
[17:47] <DrGrov> hitsujiTMO: Thanks, I will look at that now.
[17:47] <existensil> i would (and did). much simpler than by hand IMO
[17:48] <existensil> StrangeNoises: "in fact you do that anyway" ... what was that in reference to? does the old /home go away when you mount something at /home? so i don't need to be deleting the existing /home
[17:48] <existensil> ?
[17:49] <DrGrov> existensil: So, previously I have known how to make the /, swap and /tmp. But that EFI I don't know where to put actually.
[17:49] <StrangeNoises> existensil, i meant, rsync the /home that gets created in default install to where you want it to be
[17:49] <StrangeNoises> there will be default stuff in there; ubuntu creates a new user with stuff in its homedir
[17:49] <DrGrov> existensil: But I will do it as you say, get it into automatic mode and post-install do the 1TB drive.
[17:49] <StrangeNoises> if you want to keep that...
[17:49] <existensil> right
[17:49] <design> hi why can not I install synaptc?
[17:49] <design> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[17:49] <design> found in sources.list
[17:50] <design> error
[17:51] <k1l> !paste | design
[17:51] <design> ubuntu 13.10
[17:51] <k1l> please put the whole command and output in there
[17:51] <existensil> DrGrov: this guide might also provide a good overview of what you are going to do post-install: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[17:52] <StrangeNoises> yeah that's all good except it's easier to use LABELs than UUIDs
[17:52] <StrangeNoises> as previously mentioned
[17:52] <StrangeNoises> obviously have to give the new partition a label
[17:52] <Croves> Hello guys! I keep getting the "Setting locale failed" warning, but I can't solve it. I followed these steps http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1346581
[17:52] <StrangeNoises> gparted lets you do that easily
[17:53] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: You would help with that once I get the root stuff on the SSD?
[17:53] <StrangeNoises> not guaranteed to be online later
[17:54] <StrangeNoises> that page existensil linked to is good. do that.
[17:54] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Ok.
[17:54] <existensil> DrGrov: mounting another drive at /home is common enough that i'm confident someone here will be able to expertly assist at all hours
[17:54] <DrGrov> existensil: Good :)
[17:54] <DrGrov> existensil: If I would go manually, could I get a 300MB EFI partion on the SSD just as the root and other?
[17:55] <StrangeNoises> as i say, i would only change using UUID to using partition labels, and I've already pretty much said how, but UUIDs work too, so if no-one's around, do that guide. is correct.
[17:55] <StrangeNoises> handles the migration of your homedir to the new drive correctly
[17:55] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: So it is virtually almost impossible to do the UFI directly manually?
[17:56] <StrangeNoises> no i'm sure it's possible but i'm not sure how; when i installed uefi i did it automatically and it just worked
[17:56] <StrangeNoises> and it's so much easier to just get a system running then tweak it to your needs
[17:56] <reisio> DrGrov: you'd just have to learn how
[17:56] <StrangeNoises> than try to do everything in one step if part of that step is new to you
[17:56] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: I have done partioning before. But not UFI stuff.
[17:57] <StrangeNoises> splitting it up into default-install-then-change makes life simpler, is all
[17:57] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Okay, I will start installing now and see with the automatic install and come back once it is done.
[17:57] <StrangeNoises> partly because you need the desktop installer to do UEFI installs properly at all
[17:57] <StrangeNoises> all others iirc just do bios-emulation type install
[17:58] <StrangeNoises> but the default installer has a less capable partitioning tool than eg: the alternate installer
[17:59] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Okay, you got my convinced that the automatic is the way to go. Put automatic install on the 120GB SSD and fix it aftewards post-install the rest.
[18:00] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: What would be the best filesystem to apply for the SSD?
[18:00] <StrangeNoises> ext4
[18:01] <StrangeNoises> wait
[18:01] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Ok. And ext4 for the 1TB drive then as well?
[18:01] <StrangeNoises> that's correct but... TRIM, hang on
[18:01] <StrangeNoises> yes, ext4
[18:01] <StrangeNoises> but for the ssd, add 'discard' to the mount options
[18:01] <StrangeNoises> you can do that to /etc/fstab after install
[18:01] <StrangeNoises> don't worry about doing it during
[18:01] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Is there any "risks" with doing the automatic install?
[18:02] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Okay, I just do automatic for everything now to the SSD and later start tweaking.
[18:02] <StrangeNoises> no i don't think so
[18:02] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: I will probably just take a few minutes to install if I hurry up. 10-15 minutes or so hopefully
[18:02] <StrangeNoises> but i can confirm, ubuntu doesn't add 'discard' for TRIM support by default (unless it does on saucy, doesn't on raring, when i installed thyat system)
[18:03] <StrangeNoises> so after install find the line like this:
[18:03] <StrangeNoises> UUID=a7109f38-fff3-4b4c-b4f9-ce476ffc8ee5 /               ext4    relatime,commit=60,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[18:03] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Ok. I have to add that post-install. I gotta ask that stuff again from you, I can not write it down anywhere now :/
[18:03] <StrangeNoises> and change to like:
[18:03] <StrangeNoises> UUID=a7109f38-fff3-4b4c-b4f9-ce476ffc8ee5 /               ext4    discard,relatime,commit=60,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[18:04] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Curios to know the specs on the computer?
[18:04] <DrGrov> *Curious
[18:04] <StrangeNoises> oh i just remembered, my uefi system doesn't have an ssd in it, so even if ubuntu now adds that option by default, it wouldn't have there :-)
[18:04] <StrangeNoises> so it might actually do it itself
[18:04] <StrangeNoises> anyway it's something that can wait until after initial install
[18:04] <existensil> hmm. my ssd does not have the discard flag. this concerns me some.
[18:04] <Infernal> Hi there. I have a strange issue where one of my home pc's can't surf the web or ping localy. From one router. I have two routers: TL-WR740N and TL-WR340GD. The pc can surf the web fine on the latter. I tried 3 different pc's on the WR740N and they all work fine. (13.04)
[18:04] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Okay, that would be fantastic. No tweaking. But I do automatic system install now and tweak home afterwards.
[18:05] <DrGrov> existensil: What SSD do you have?
[18:05] <StrangeNoises> the uefi machine i have is a zotac zbox id86, my htpc. so far the only uefi machine i've installed :-)
[18:05] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: :) I bought myself a Intel Xeon E5-2620, 8GB DDR3 RAM, 120GB Kingston SSD, 1TB WD.
[18:06] <StrangeNoises> heh
[18:06] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: But if I start now I will be back earlier to ask more idiotic questions. Ok? :)
[18:06] <DrGrov> Or can I leave this IRC session open while I install?
[18:07] <StrangeNoises> http://www.scan.co.uk/savedbasket/394722182bd440f08ff3514e02a862b9 is what i want to buy, in a bitfenix phenom case
[18:07] <StrangeNoises> but decided i can't afford it yet
[18:07] <trevnorris> StrangeNoises: so when I configure it properly, and it even works, then I restart, this is how my desktop looks: https://i.cloudup.com/6OQSzK8LfD.png
[18:07] <StrangeNoises> but i would do all of the above, then add my 5xWD-RED raid array :-)
[18:07] <trevnorris> StrangeNoises: all that is on one screen, and as I drag my mouse over it drags the viewable desktop
[18:08] <zerocircle> hi Is there any alternative of Adobe after effects in Open source?
[18:08] <StrangeNoises> trevnorris: i have no idea :-}
[18:08] <trevnorris> StrangeNoises: yeah. well, thanks for the help :)
[18:08] <StrangeNoises> some weird setting somewhere
[18:08] <moppy> StrangeNoises, water cooling and no gpu?
[18:08] <StrangeNoises> check ubuntu's own displays prefs?
[18:09] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Impressive machine :) I decided to keep it at 8GB now and eventually upgrade to 16GB. I though don't like that the ASUS Extreme motherboard doesn't carry Bluetooth capability.
[18:09] <StrangeNoises> moppy: yep; for a quiet system, and the onboard intel hd4600 would be fine for me to drive 3 monitors
[18:09] <StrangeNoises> being not a gamer makes graphics cheaper ;-)
[18:09] <moppy> StrangeNoises, in my personal opinion the PSU is overkill but it's nice to have
[18:09] <StrangeNoises> moppy: yes it probably is, though there would be 5 hard drives to add to the system
[18:10] <StrangeNoises> that aren't in that list
[18:10] <moppy> hard drives are about 10W each
[18:10] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Could I easily start to install now with automatic but keep this IRC session open?
[18:10] <moppy> maximum
[18:10] <moppy> that sort of psu i would normally expect a 200W+ GPU or somesuch. still, it *is*nice to have :-)
[18:10] <StrangeNoises> depends, are you using the machine you're about to install on?
[18:10] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Yes but I could easily take the missus MacBook and go on webchat.freenode.net to continue
[18:11] <StrangeNoises> best to. if you're in livecd desktop you can continue but obviously you'll disappear just when it gets interesting (ie: when it's time to reboot)
[18:11] <Infernal> Anyone some net troubleshooting assistanse? :)
[18:11] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Okay, I will take the Macbook and continue from there the talking.
[18:12] <StrangeNoises> moppy: i'll happily admit i don't really have a good clue about PSUs and tend to overengineer
[18:12] <StrangeNoises> it's not like it'll actually use its maximum capacity wastefully
[18:13] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: I will switch now then. Should I directly start the installation procedure?
[18:13] <StrangeNoises> the 750W one i have in this pc runs at about 180 when not handbraking
[18:13] <StrangeNoises> DrGrov: if you're doing the default install, you shouldn't need our help to get through it. That's why we told you to do it that way. ;-)
[18:14] <StrangeNoises> because i'm going to disappear soon
[18:14] <StrangeNoises> get on with it ;-)
[18:14] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Ok yes boss. :)
[18:14]  * StrangeNoises better run away before it all goes horribly wrong...
[18:15] <moppy> StrangeNoises, the general rule is they give the peak output not the sustained so people "tend to" take the TDP, double it, and get that for a PSU
[18:16] <StrangeNoises> moppy: if i wanted to spend even more money, (and didn't want a *small* system) i also had this in mind: http://www.scan.co.uk/savedbasket/2c902b8c74e94324bc9c3f563d2a74f7
[18:16] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: I can find you :)
[18:16] <StrangeNoises> 10xsata3 and 2xthunderbolt are attractive
[18:16] <Ubnoobtu> Hi all, I am fairly stupid.
[18:16] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Ok, here goes the automatic install.
[18:16] <StrangeNoises> the rest is mostly the same
[18:16] <zerocircle> upgrading option to 13.10 is not active when trying to instal ubuntu 13.10 is I need to erase ubuntu to install?
[18:16] <Ubnoobtu> StrangeNoises: lol. I am having a problem scp'ing myself.
[18:17] <StrangeNoises> zerocircle: upgrading from what?
[18:17] <StrangeNoises> update manager should be offering the option
[18:17] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Should I take the updates while installing?
[18:18] <StrangeNoises> unless you're on an LTS set to only upgrade to a later LTS
[18:18] <StrangeNoises> or not on ubuntu at all of course
[18:18] <zerocircle> StrangeNoises, from disc!
[18:18] <StrangeNoises> DrGrov: doesn't matter, might as well
[18:18] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Ok, will do.
[18:18] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: I create everything as I would normally do?
[18:18] <StrangeNoises> the interesting point is when it should ask you which drive to install it to, and you tell it, use the entire drive, and choose the ssd
[18:19] <StrangeNoises> and to install grub to the same drive
[18:19] <StrangeNoises> assuming the other drive is already physically installed
[18:19] <moppy> StrangeNoises, the total power draw from a i7 is abotu 100W at full blast unless you bought one of the really expensive "extreme" ones, anyway you can work out the pwoer drain from the manufacturer's stats
[18:19] <StrangeNoises> if not it'll be even easier
[18:19] <StrangeNoises> moppy: i actually wouldn't even be overclocking
[18:20] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: I hope the SSD is installed as intended.
[18:20] <bilgo345> How to configure my wireless?
[18:20] <bet0x> Zend Studio 10 i choose you!
[18:20] <StrangeNoises> most of the time it's light desktop duties, which is partly why i haven't actually *boght* either of those systems: can't quite justify the cost atm. occasionally i want to encode a bunch of stuff in handbrake and that gives a cpu a workoiut
[18:20] <StrangeNoises> or a raid reshape which does similar for the drives
[18:21] <moppy> im not sure a raid rehsape is cpu bound, you're IO bound there
[18:21] <Richhh> every time i partition my drive and then run memtest86, the first time running memtest86 it reboots before it finishes, subsequent times it completes with no errors (and loops). normal?
[18:22] <StrangeNoises> yeah, i mean it would force a sustained power draw from all the drives
[18:22] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Should I enable LVM? Or just "Erase disk and install Ubuntu"?
[18:22] <StrangeNoises> the latter, unless you have a reason for LVM. if you don't know, you don't
[18:22] <gordonjcp> DrGrov: enabling it lets you fiddle about with partition sizes at a later date
[18:22] <gordonjcp> DrGrov: it makes things a little more complicated
[18:22] <DrGrov> gordonjcp: No please no :)
[18:22] <gordonjcp> DrGrov: if you don't know what it is, you don't care what it is
[18:22] <jeffrey_f> GnuPG question: I have a text file with email addresses which I have exported from my address book.  Is there any way to script a lookup and add of keys where they exist?
[18:22] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Ok, I erase everything.
[18:23] <StrangeNoises> just make sure you pick the right disk
[18:23] <StrangeNoises> it should be obvious
[18:23] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Haha. It suggests the 120GB SSD and wants to use the entire disk.
[18:23] <Ubnoobtu> So I am having a problem scp'ing with Ubuntu between 2 computers I own. I've had several issues. but for now I am just trying to figure out what i'm doing wrong now. http://paste.ubuntu.com/6342679/
[18:23] <StrangeNoises> yes, so much yes to that
[18:24] <StrangeNoises> Ubnoobtu: there's some escaping needed there for those spaces
[18:24] <StrangeNoises> put quotes around the source path and a / on the end of the dest path
[18:25] <StrangeNoises> also, check out rsync, but the same escaping will be required
[18:25] <design> see the network manager does not show active network http://cs14112.vk.me/c425819/v425819444/5212/6AHPqVjD5QY.jpg
[18:26] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Suggestions on a good username for my account? I thought about something cool but can't think of anything
[18:26] <design> network is active but does not appear
[18:26] <bilgo345> My machine recognizes my wireless network but never connects to it. Any advice?  I reinstalled ubuntu to my root petition and then re installed grub still no luck. HELP
[18:28] <StrangeNoises> now figure out why
[18:28] <StrangeNoises> and why i didn't use spaces
[18:28] <StrangeNoises> when i said use spaces
[18:29] <francesco__> irc:///PapRiKa
[18:30] <StrangeNoises> s/spaces/quotes/
[18:30] <paulo__> ola
[18:31] <Ubnoobtu> StrangeNoises:  I'm sorry, but I'm trying to think of a way to word it
[18:32] <Ubnoobtu> StrangeNoises: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6342735/
[18:32] <lonewulf85> no boot just two line warning then back to login.
[18:32] <StrangeNoises> can you read the error message yourself? perhaps get a clue?
[18:32] <StrangeNoises> it's telling you what's wrong
[18:33] <lonewulf85> it flashes by to fast to see.
[18:33] <Ubnoobtu> StrangeNoises: Look man, I'm pretty much a scrub at this, I'm sorry, lol
[18:33] <StrangeNoises> remember, linux filenames are case senstivie
[18:33] <StrangeNoises> sensitive
[18:33] <StrangeNoises> read the error message on line 3
[18:33] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Now it is installed on the SSD.
[18:34] <lonewulf85> also when I run the rescue and choose to use failsafe graphics it freezes and I have to restart.
[18:34] <moppy> actually that's a bit unfair imo: not everyone considers "A" and "a" to be different, especialyl when used to windows, or not mathematicians
[18:34] <StrangeNoises> lonewulf85: run rescue and go to shell and look at syslog?
[18:34] <StrangeNoises> moppy: that's why i mentioned it's case sensitive, yes
[18:35] <StrangeNoises> as i know on other systems they're not
[18:35] <StrangeNoises> osx is case-preserving for instance
[18:35] <StrangeNoises> but if you say 'shared' and it's actually Shared then linux won't know what you're talking about
[18:35] <Ubnoobtu> I see
[18:36] <Ubnoobtu> Alright, Lemme see what I can do with this info, but what about the spaces and qoutes you were saying about
[18:36] <StrangeNoises> that was in your original example when there were spaces in the path to your source file
[18:36] <StrangeNoises> but in the later example there wasn't, as if you'd moved it
[18:36] <StrangeNoises> you don't need to quote it if there's nothing that needs quoting or escaping
[18:36] <StrangeNoises> also btw, there's this lovely thing called auto-completion
[18:37] <StrangeNoises> start typing a path element and hit tab
[18:37] <Ubnoobtu> qouting is " " but what is escaping?
[18:37] <StrangeNoises> eg: "A filename with spaces.mp3" or A\ filename\ with\ spaces.mp3
[18:37] <Ubnoobtu> a path element, lol, this is a new term
[18:37] <StrangeNoises> Ubnoobtu: as in a directory or file name
[18:37] <StrangeNoises> as opposed to the whole path, directories to a filename
[18:38] <moppy> Ubnoobtu, escaping is when you put \ infront of " so tat you can enclose quotes inside of quotes
[18:38] <moppy> Ubnoobtu, actually that's a very incomplete explanation, but it will serve for this
[18:38] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Ok, It is installed. Runs smoooothly.
[18:38] <StrangeNoises> backslash in linux/osx is an escaping char, lets the char after go through rather than being interpreted as something else
[18:38] <StrangeNoises> DrGrov: you've rebooted? you're at the desktop?
[18:38] <Ubnoobtu> Oh boy.
[18:39] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Yes, I am desktop ready.
[18:39] <StrangeNoises> cool
[18:39] <StrangeNoises> run your updates
[18:39] <moppy> Ubnoobtu, basically " has special meaning to the computer; so you need to write \" if you meant " as data, not as a command
[18:39] <StrangeNoises> then follow that new home howto
[18:39] <Ubnoobtu> moppy: that makes sense to me now
[18:40] <zacek30> Saludos alguien habla castellano
[18:40] <Ubnoobtu> so I would \"file name with spaces.mp3"
[18:40] <StrangeNoises> Ubnoobtu: and spaces usually separate a list of files, so if you have a filename with spaces in it, you need to enclose it in quotes or escape the spaces separately so it all counts as one
[18:40] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: I will go on the other installed machine to follow easier.
[18:40] <StrangeNoises> Ubnoobtu:
[18:40] <StrangeNoises> no
[18:40] <StrangeNoises> "file name with spaces.mp3"
[18:40] <caveat-> how do I fix this problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kbd/+bug/701876 ?
[18:40] <StrangeNoises> file\ name\ with\ spaces.mp3
[18:41] <Ubnoobtu> AHA!
[18:41] <Ubnoobtu> I'm learning new things now, helpful things.
[18:41] <StrangeNoises> file\ name\ with\ \"quotes\".mp3
[18:41] <moppy> ugly
[18:41] <StrangeNoises> where the filename would be file name with "quotes".mp3
[18:41] <StrangeNoises> DrGrov: install xchat-gnome for a more civilised irc experience
[18:42] <Ubnoobtu> why so many \ in that example?
[18:42] <moppy> each space
[18:42] <StrangeNoises> because i'm escaping every space and quote mark
[18:42] <StrangeNoises> or quote the lot eg:
[18:42] <Ubnoobtu> is that necessary?
[18:42] <StrangeNoises> "file name with \"quotes\".mp3"
[18:42] <moppy> ^^ that is the correct way
[18:42] <StrangeNoises> or even 'file name with "quotes".mp3' (note *single* quotes, they do something slightly different)
[18:43] <StrangeNoises> which is a more advanced topic
[18:43] <Ubnoobtu> lol
[18:43] <jiancdn> Does anyone  here use Ubuntu to stream music to a home theatre receiver? I've been out of the game for awhile and trying to figure out the best way to do this.
[18:43] <jhutchins_wk> jiancdn: vlc might work.
[18:43] <Ubnoobtu> where would I go to learn these commands, or what would these commands be called? if I were to find some howtos and
[18:43] <Ubnoobtu> whatnot
[18:43] <moppy> (and by correct i mean not vomit inducing)
[18:43] <xll11> uboobtu
[18:44] <StrangeNoises> jiancdn: not music but video, but probably doable with music too: i use xbmc on linux at client end, linux on server end; serves files with samba (! nfs hung up on me one last time)
[18:44] <xll11> someone should make a dist of ubuntu called uboobtu and plant explicit photo of boobs everywhere
[18:44] <brontosaurusrex> jiancdn, what kind of receiver it is ? is that a data connection or .. ?
[18:44] <hitsujiTMO> jiancdn: what technologys does the home theatre receiver support?
[18:45] <tpp> Is there a program that reads errors when I binary try to find libraries and auto download it for me?
[18:45] <StrangeNoises> moppy: otoh if the path is formed with bash completion it'll have those escape chars in it
[18:45] <StrangeNoises> so you might as well be familiar
[18:45] <xll11> did someone already think of this?
[18:45] <StrangeNoises> xll11: yeah i think so, sounds familiar
[18:45] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Should I configure my nVidia GT 620 card now as well?
[18:46] <jhutchins_wk> xll11: mediatomb?
[18:46] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: use man
[18:46] <StrangeNoises> install nvidia-319-updates
[18:46] <StrangeNoises> reboot
[18:46] <StrangeNoises> you're done
[18:46] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: man is the command for getting the manual on a command
[18:46] <wafflejock> man man
[18:46] <StrangeNoises> Ubnoobtu: and google is your friend
[18:46] <wafflejock> man apt-get
[18:46] <wafflejock> man ls
[18:46] <wafflejock> etc.
[18:47] <wafflejock> usually you'll want to just Google for what you're trying to do then use man to get details about a command if you're interested in what it's doing
[18:47] <jiancdn> StrangeNoises, brontosaurusrex and hitsujiTMO: It's just a receiver but I've stumbled upon an old P4 box.. I'd like to somehow play the music through the receiver. It doesn't have any network functionality. Ideally I'd like to buy some sort of dongle like a boxee or roku and have that connect to the computer and use an android tablet as a remote.
[18:47] <jiancdn> I really have no idea what I am looking for.
[18:47] <jiancdn> Frightening because I may finally be getting "old"
[18:48] <Ubnoobtu> StrangeNoises: wafflejock : I'm pretty new at this, so most tutorials I've read seem to be made for users slightly more advanced that I am atm.
[18:48] <jchaike> is anyone here dual booting ubuntu and OSX?
[18:48] <StrangeNoises> Ubnoobtu: it is a steep learning curve
[18:48] <wafflejock> jiancdn: you may want to check out subsonic
[18:48] <StrangeNoises> jchaike: yes
[18:48] <moppy> jchaike, I used to, not sure if relevant but can try
[18:48] <jchaike> StrangeNoises, what bootloader are you using?
[18:48] <StrangeNoises> on a real mac, not hackint0sh
[18:48] <hitsujiTMO> jiancdn: if it has no network conectivity then what types of connections does it actually have? just phono?
[18:48] <jchaike> im having issues with rEFInd
[18:48] <StrangeNoises> rEFIt
[18:48] <jchaike> StrangeNoises, why refit not refind?
[18:49] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: it's true there's a lot of info out there and it gets down to all the nitty gritty but that's what Linux is
[18:49] <wafflejock> most of the time you don't need to worry about it
[18:49] <StrangeNoises> "jchaike: im having issues with rEFInd"
[18:49] <StrangeNoises> i think you already answered it ;-)
[18:49] <wafflejock> but if you're doing development or trying to do some bleeding edge stuff it can get hairy
[18:49] <jchaike> well maybe haha, its not real terrible issues, its just showing me lots of boot optoins some of which arent even there anymore
[18:49] <jchaike> and i want to "REFRESH" the bootmanager, and im not sure how to go about that
[18:49] <jiancdn> hitsjiTMO: It is newer.. hdmi etc.
[18:50] <Ubnoobtu> StrangeNoises: wafflejock  So the rsync worked, but any time I am using scp or whatever, it keeps creating new shared directories on my remote pc.
[18:50] <jchaike> like i just have ubuntu and OSX but its showing me 2 ubuntu boot optoins, OSX, and one random linux
[18:50] <StrangeNoises> i'm afraid i don't know that stuff in enough detail. mine shows excess boot options too (well one, it thinks a /home partition is a bootable system), but it boots the right one by default so i'm happy
[18:50] <wafflejock> jchaike: are you using GRUB?
[18:50] <wafflejock> jchaike: I have a hackintosh setup but it's using Chameleon
[18:51] <wafflejock> not sure how to configure that
[18:51] <jchaike> GRUB comes up after i select my OS in rEFInd
[18:51] <StrangeNoises> Ubnoobtu: use rsync. actually you can probably use nautilus and drag and drop
[18:51] <jchaike> which i dont fully understand why that happens either
[18:51] <wafflejock> sorry not familiar will do some googling and be back
[18:51] <StrangeNoises> osx advertises ssh+sftp, you need an avahi service file to make linux do it
[18:51] <hitsujiTMO> jiancdn: if it has s/pdif then you can just connect the pc directly to that
[18:52] <Ubnoobtu> StrangeNoises: alright, thanks,
[18:52] <hitsujiTMO> jiancdn: then its a case of just having ubuntu use s/pdif as default ouput, and you can use what ever media player has a web interface or phone app. I think xbmc still has a decent web interface iirc
[18:53] <jiancdn> hitsujiTMO: Let me do some googling and I'll get back to you!
[18:53] <wafflejock> rEFInd looks interesting... may have to play with that, I "lost" my linux partition on that machine when installing OS X, thought Chameleon would find it but no go... thought the dual boot with OS X just wasn't possible, will have to check that out
[18:54] <yahoo> wafflejock: and you are using which machine ?
[18:54] <wafflejock> yahoo: I'm on my laptop now, System76 Gazelle Professional Nov 2012
[18:54] <wafflejock> yahoo: my desktop is Win 7/OS X right now cause I lost my Ubuntu partition on there
[18:55] <wafflejock> it's basically become the gaming and testing rig
[18:55] <yahoo> wafflejock: cool ! i have a hp machine, i'm keen to run OS X
[18:55] <wafflejock> yahoo: ah the desktop was a custom build
[18:56] <wafflejock> I did have to do lots of fandangling getting it configured
[18:56] <wafflejock> finding the right kexts and whatnot
[18:56] <wafflejock> luckily the GTX670 is supported by the new versions of OS X but upgrading was a bit of a nightmare
[18:56] <moppy> ok that was weird, the update today requires a reboot on one machine and not on another. i had *thought* they were configured identically. is it only kernel that the ubuntu updater will ask for a reboot on?
[18:56] <yahoo> wafflejock: is ATI ?
[18:56] <wafflejock> yahoo: nope NVIDIA
[18:56] <Ubnoobtu> StrangeNoises: Thanks for the help, the file whent through.  But before I go, what was the problem I was having and how was it fixed?
[18:57] <yahoo> wafflejock: main reason i am not installing OSX is drivers and intel switchable graphics
[18:57] <hitsujiTMO> jiancdn: there's also mpd if you want to just run it as a headless server ( no graphical display ). There's a nimber of web interfaces that you can use to control it: http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Clients
[18:57] <StrangeNoises> Ubnoobtu: you just needed to get your paths right
[18:57] <wafflejock> yahoo: yeah ultimately it's pretty nice and everything seems to work well but lots of headaches along the way
[18:57] <wafflejock> yahoo: was like a 3 day multiple install process
[18:57] <yahoo> wafflejock: that sucks
[18:58] <arianit> hi, after upgrading to 13.10 only social network scope is showing in dash despite having installed other ones as well. Programs for examples are not showing at all http://i.imgur.com/EVOWT7J.png?1 Any idea?
[18:58] <wafflejock> yahoo: indeed... I needed it to deploy my app to iOS, built in AIR
[18:58] <wafflejock> yahoo: I just couldn't get the app to submit to the marketplace without OS X
[18:58] <wafflejock> BS
[18:58] <jiancdn> hisujiTMO: Is coxial digital audio the same as spdif?
[18:58] <yahoo> wafflejock: i love ubuntu on my machine but sounds drivers are what i hate
[18:58] <jiancdn> I've got a panasonic receiver.. spdif looks like a sony thing?
[18:59] <moppy> jiancdn, it's mostly standard, but it does stand for sony/phillips.
[18:59] <wafflejock> jiancdn: I believe despite being a Sony technology it's used by other manufacturers like the CD
[19:00] <Semajnad> Hello, I have a question regarding remote desktop connection from windows to an Ubuntu 13.10 server.
[19:00] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Now I am back. Sorry for the delay. I got the nvidia-updates-319.
[19:00] <Semajnad> I have installed xRDP and get a login screen, however when I log in, I get a screen with black and white dots (it looks like that)
[19:00] <wafflejock> yahoo: haven't had many sound driver issues... a bit of a hiccup with kubuntu
[19:00] <wafflejock> yahoo: had to install something but previously used to have issues with wifi and most of that has gone away
[19:01] <jiancdn> I don't have spdif out.. So I guess that isn't going to work.
[19:01] <yahoo> wafflejock: its because of beats audio
[19:01] <wafflejock> yahoo: ah
[19:01] <mustafa> hi
[19:01] <hitsujiTMO> jiancdn: coaxial digital audio is prob just a generic name for it, so that's prob it alright. of not you could prob just use a 3.5mm to phono connection if it comes down to that
[19:01] <wafflejock> Semajnad: haven't tried xRDP any reason to not use VNC?
[19:01] <yahoo> wafflejock: plus EFI was a nightmare
[19:02] <wafflejock> yahoo: yeah decided to go System76 this time since they are an Ubuntu based shop
[19:02] <Semajnad> wafflejock: If I connect to Ubuntu 13.10 GUI Version with VNC, will I get the original Ubuntu Desktop?
[19:02] <Semajnad> wafflejock: that's what I get as well http://oi39.tinypic.com/2ivzpcw.jpg
[19:02] <yahoo> wafflejock: i got my windows broken. Its fixed now but some features like reset wont work. Cant get singleLanguage ISO :(
[19:02] <yahoo> wafflejock: they make very bad laptops
[19:03] <wafflejock> yahoo: how so?
[19:03] <yahoo> wafflejock: compare their laptops with HP and APPLE
[19:03] <yahoo> wafflejock: or even dell
[19:03] <uncle_ben> anyone know how i can start my vncserver to connect with the real display :0?  i have the vnc module loaded in X already
[19:03] <DrGrov> What was the guide I was going to use to get /home into the new 1TB drive?
[19:03] <hitsujiTMO> yahoo, wafflejock I've never heard from anyone that they're "bad".
[19:03] <wafflejock> I have they're cheaper
[19:03] <StrangeNoises> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[19:04] <wafflejock> that is ridiculous
[19:04] <wafflejock> Apple
[19:04] <wafflejock> ?
[19:04] <jiancdn> hitsujiTMO: I definitely don't have a phono in. I
[19:04] <wafflejock> really
[19:04] <StrangeNoises> use gparted to format the 1TB drive
[19:04] <Semajnad> wafflejock: do you know?
[19:04] <wafflejock> Semajnad: sorry haven't used xRDP
[19:04] <yahoo> hitsujiTMO: doesnt mean they are good
[19:04] <wafflejock> Semajnad: I use VNC through SSH tunnel for AWS
[19:04] <StrangeNoises> just gpt, one partition, ext4, give it a label of your choice, eg: Home
[19:04] <Semajnad> wafflejock: No sorry my quesiton about VNC
[19:04] <Semajnad> wafflejock: If I connect to Ubuntu 13.10 GUI Version with VNC, will I get the original Ubuntu Desktop?
[19:04] <Ubnoobtu> StrangeNoises: Would rsync be good to use to sync my two computers' music folders? is it good to transfer 5 gigs or more?
[19:04] <hitsujiTMO> yahoo: have you a link to where you've read it as being bad?
[19:04] <wafflejock> Semajnad: I believe so... I have XFCE setup on my server since it's a micro instance
[19:04] <StrangeNoises> Ubnoobtu: not only is it good, it's the best and right way
[19:05] <matthias_arch> hi, i have got an small problem in my python script: I'm doing component.get('dtstart').dt.strftime('%H:%M') <-- how can i apply there my timezone?
[19:05] <StrangeNoises> rsync -avhHP source dest
[19:05] <wafflejock> Semajnad: I do get a "full desktop" experience thoguh
[19:05] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Ok, I got gparted installed with Synaptic.
[19:05] <Ubnoobtu> StrangeNoises: Alright, imma type the commands and pray that it works. last time I rsync'd it didn't output.
[19:05] <hitsujiTMO> jiancdn: do you have the model number and i'll have a look at the specs for it
[19:05] <Semajnad> wafflejock: thank ytou.
[19:05] <Semajnad> *you
[19:05] <yahoo> hitsujiTMO: not really ! i dont believe reviewers. their opinion is biased
[19:05] <wafflejock> Semajnad: no problem, also check out the SSH tunneling it's actually really easy and keeps things secure
[19:05] <Semajnad> Has anyone here used xRDP?
[19:06] <wafflejock> yahoo: I have had one for a good year it's been awesome
[19:06] <jiancdn> hitsujiTMO: Whoops actually a Pioneer VSX-521-K
[19:06] <wafflejock> 128GB SSD Quad-Core, boots in about 10 seconds
[19:06] <wafflejock> 900 bucks
[19:06] <wafflejock> 1080p matte screen
[19:06] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Ok. I see the unallocated 992GB
[19:06] <wafflejock> running two monitors 1080p right now off it
[19:07] <yahoo> wafflejock: i dont like the design not sure about hardware
[19:07] <jhutchins_wk> DrGrov: Generally a bad idea to be modifying partitions on an active device (ie the one you're running from).
[19:07] <jhutchins_wk> DrGrov: Much safer to boot to a live CD or something.
[19:07] <StrangeNoises> jhutchins_wk: he's not. the ssd isn't a tb
[19:07] <StrangeNoises> that he installed the system on
[19:07] <wafflejock> I'd say my biggest complaint was the touch pad was too sensitive but I found a nice program that lets you block clicks for a duration after typing but still lets you move the mouse
[19:07] <yahoo> wafflejock: i haev i5 2.6 with 2GB ATI 6GB ram
[19:07] <StrangeNoises> this is the second drive in his box
[19:08] <jhutchins_wk> StrangeNoises: cool.
[19:08] <StrangeNoises> that he wants to have mounted as /home
[19:08] <StrangeNoises> first step is formatting the damn thing
[19:08] <wafflejock> 8GB of RAM
[19:09] <cpined> hello...I've installed the Oracle ext for RDP in virtualbox and enabled Remote display but I still cannot connect to my guest os from a rdp client, any ideals?
[19:09] <wafflejock> this isn't my gaming computer so I don't care much about the graphics
[19:09] <wafflejock> if that was a concern I probably would have dropped a little more on it
[19:09] <StrangeNoises> DrGrov: ... which should have been done by now...
[19:09] <matthias_arch> hi, i have got an small problem in my python script: I'm doing component.get('dtstart').dt.strftime('%H:%M') <-- how can i apply there my timezone?
[19:09] <wafflejock> the desktop with the  GTX 670 eats everything
[19:09] <yahoo> wafflejock: well, i got it for arond 625 $
[19:09] <wafflejock> SSD is where the cost is
[19:10] <Pici> matthias_arch: Please ask in #python
[19:10] <yahoo> wafflejock: plus sound is good bcuz of beats
[19:10] <wafflejock> yahoo: THX sound is decent
[19:10] <yahoo> wafflejock: and switchable graphics boosts battery to 4+ hours
[19:10] <yahoo> wafflejock: its not haswell btw
[19:11] <wafflejock> yahoo: yeah depends on what you're using the laptop for I guess
[19:11] <wafflejock> if it's entertainment you're after and no peripherals then that makes sense
[19:11] <wafflejock> I use mine for work as a "pseudo desktop" with everything attached and just like that it's a laptop for on the go or meeting with clients
[19:11] <yahoo> wafflejock: i dont play games but i have to reboot my pc when i want to listen to songs. lol ! that sucks
[19:11] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Sorry about that. Not so fast .
[19:12] <yahoo> wafflejock: i guess good sound on ubuntu is just a dream
[19:12] <xlastone4> hi. Is there any security recomendation guide for ubuntu systems?
[19:12] <wafflejock> yahoo: SSD makes that more reasonable.. I ended up dropping the dual boot though and just installing win 8 in virtual box
[19:12] <yahoo> wafflejock: HP and DELL make ubuntu version but without good audiso
[19:12] <wafflejock> sounds good here
[19:12] <Ubnoobtu> WHOA, I love manm
[19:12] <Ubnoobtu> man*
[19:12] <wafflejock> THX audio ? not sure how good that is really but sounds fine
[19:12] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: What type, gpt?
[19:12] <StrangeNoises> gpt
[19:13] <StrangeNoises> for the partition scheme
[19:13] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: I got the computer today. The drive was not formatted.
[19:13] <StrangeNoises> then just add one partition, fill the whole disk, format as ext4, and give it a name in the label field
[19:13] <Ramone> hey all... can anyone tell me how the heck to increase my open file limit with ulimit?  I haven't had much luck following directions from random websites...
[19:13] <wafflejock> going through Creative Labs setup... unfortunately stupid potentiometer in the knob for volume control is jacked up so it just dips occasionally which is annoying, but just an issue with the speaker controls nothing else really
[19:14] <yahoo> wafflejock: my laptop looks something like this : http://asset2.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2012/07/11/HP_Envy_Sleekbook_6-1010us_35339027_07_610x436.jpg
[19:14] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Ok, now I got it. That was not so difficult as I originally thought.
[19:15] <xlastone4> Ramone: http://www.kegel.com/c10k.html
[19:15] <wafflejock> yahoo: yeah looks nice, my buddy just picked up an HP that looked pretty nice too
[19:15] <StrangeNoises> ok, so you've done that format? you've hit apply and it's done it?
[19:15] <wafflejock> I honestly like the archaic look of System76
[19:15] <wafflejock> like the ThinkPad
[19:15] <yahoo> wafflejock: its preety light-weight. There's no CD rom
[19:15] <wafflejock> but again I don't use it on the go as much... if I did I'd be more concerned about it being lightweight and pretty
[19:16] <Ramone> xlastone4: you referring to the ulimit section?  I've done all that
[19:16] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Done. Got it as ext4, labelled Home and taking up all space.
[19:16] <xlastone4> hum
[19:16] <yahoo> wafflejock: right ! how did you get the iso for OS X ?
[19:16] <wafflejock> I also have a Das keyboard, basically a copy of the original IBM PS/2 keyboard
[19:16] <StrangeNoises> DrGrov: ok, quit gparted
[19:16] <wafflejock> yahoo: I bought it
[19:16] <xlastone4> maybe SELinux is limiting you also
[19:16] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Ok.
[19:16] <StrangeNoises> wafflejock: not quite a copy, but pretty good
[19:16]  * StrangeNoises has a couple of ibm model m keyboards
[19:16] <yahoo> wafflejock: from where ? which version ? will it work on Virtual Box ?
[19:16] <StrangeNoises> and a unicomp keyboard which *is* the modern version
[19:17] <wafflejock> yahoo: ordered the CD online then used the instructions from TonyMac site to get it installed
[19:17] <cpined> hello...I've installed the Oracle ext for RDP in virtualbox and enabled Remote display but I still cannot connect to my guest os from a rdp client, any ideas?
[19:17] <wafflejock> yahoo: not sure about Virtual Box setup
[19:17] <StrangeNoises> DrGrov: ls -l /dev/disk/by-label/Home
[19:17] <wafflejock> yahoo: I just did it as a dual boot and was a challenge
[19:17] <StrangeNoises> DrGrov: proving to my satisfaction it was actually done)
[19:17] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Ok.
[19:17] <StrangeNoises> and the result should be that it's a link to /dev/sdb1 or similar
[19:17] <yahoo> wafflejock: did you use bootrepair
[19:18] <wafflejock> yahoo: I think basically Chameleon fakes out OS X to make it think this is a Mac and that the nvram is present etc.
[19:18] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: root root 10 marra  1 21:15 /dev/disk/by-label/Home -> ../../sdb1
[19:18] <StrangeNoises> cool right, we're off
[19:18] <wafflejock> yahoo: I don't recall using "bootrepair" I was mostly in and out of the Chameleon configuration
[19:18] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Yay :)
[19:18] <StrangeNoises> go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving and go down to Setup Fstab
[19:18] <yahoo> wafflejock: so did chameleon help ?
[19:18] <wafflejock> yahoo: sorry it was a bit ago and have only done it once so the details are fuzzy
[19:18] <wafflejock> yahoo: yeah
[19:19] <StrangeNoises> apart from where it says "UUID=???????" put LABEL=Home
[19:19] <yahoo> wafflejock: what is nvram ?
[19:19] <StrangeNoises> but apart from that, follow the rest of the guide
[19:19] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Ok, I am in Setup Fstab.
[19:19] <wafflejock> the wizard for Chameleon guides you through quite a bit of stuff but you have to figure out which checkboxes to get it working with your audio/video
[19:19] <wafflejock> yahoo: non-voltaile rAM I think it's just like flash memory on the motherboard/logic board for macs
[19:19] <StrangeNoises> follow the rest of that guide; i couldn't do better
[19:19] <wafflejock> I'm pretty Apple ignorant though
[19:19] <StrangeNoises> just LABEL=Home instead of UUID=???????
[19:20] <Ubnoobtu> onnell@connell-laptop:~$ rsync ~/Home/Music robert@<IP_ADDRESS>:~/Music<EMAIL_ADDRESS>password:  rsync: change_dir "/home/connell/Home" failed: No such file or directory (2) rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9] connell@connell-laptop:~$ rsync ~/Music robert@<IP_ADDRESS>:~/Music<EMAIL_ADDRESS>password:  skipping directory Music connell@connell-la
[19:20] <wafflejock> yahoo: think it tells the OS which device this is and things like that
[19:20] <Ubnoobtu> Can I not color between the lineS!!!
[19:20] <parduse> do it :D
[19:21] <wafflejock> basically the kext files are your drivers
[19:21] <yahoo> wafflejock: are there issues other than drivers not working ? like its laggy or some apps dont work
[19:21] <wafflejock> you have to get those right for things to boot and if they get messed up during upgrades you can lose your work
[19:21] <wafflejock> yahoo: everything is great now
[19:21] <wafflejock> yahoo: it takes a bit to boot and I'm not sure about sleep
[19:21] <wafflejock> yahoo: but once it's up everything is solid
[19:21] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: I am now in the gksu. Just add all info as lines below in the gksu?
[19:21] <yahoo> wafflejock: i wonder if i can hire someone to code the kext files
[19:22] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Step 3?
[19:22] <existensil> "yahoo: everything is great now" ... that should be yahoo's new slogan
[19:22] <existensil> i mean, its not accurate, but some people would surely come back
[19:22] <StrangeNoises> exactly as it says
[19:22] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Yes. I am just a bit nervous at this text-editing stuff :)
[19:22] <wafflejock> yahoo: I was able to find kexts within that chamelon setup wizard to get my audio working and to get the better graphics drivers setup I just had to upgrade the OS itself since the most recent version included support for my card
[19:22] <kostkon> existensil, nice
[19:23] <StrangeNoises> DrGrov: gksu is a command that lets you run the rest of the command as root. gedit is a text editor
[19:23] <StrangeNoises> so you're editing that file as root, because your normal user doesn't have rights to do it
[19:23] <wafflejock> basically you boot off one CD that makes it so you can boot the OS X CD, you swap out to the OS X install CD, install that goes pretty  easy
[19:23] <wafflejock> on first reboot you install chameleon and congiure things
[19:23] <wafflejock> then you pray
[19:23] <wafflejock> even if you don't believe in god
[19:23] <StrangeNoises> wafflejock: and then you spend the next week fiddling with it before giving up and installing ubuntu? :-D
[19:24] <StrangeNoises> and deciding it's less trouble to just buy a mac? :-D
[19:24] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Ok, so Home is the UUUID.
[19:24] <wafflejock> StrangeNoises: haha yah then you just never touch it again once it works :)
[19:24] <StrangeNoises> DrGrov: LABEL=Home
[19:24] <StrangeNoises> NOT UUID=Home
[19:24] <yahoo> wafflejock: lol ! so it renames hardware etc
[19:24] <StrangeNoises> LABEL
[19:24] <StrangeNoises> LABEL
[19:24] <existensil> DrGrov: don't worry... if you make a mistake it just erases everything, so nothing to be nervous about :-P
[19:24] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Okay okay, don't get angry.
[19:24] <no0b> Hi, I'm new to linux and I want to try learning vim. Correct me if I'm wrong but vim if for the terminal while vim-gnome is the GUI version.  Now, I'm currentyl using Ubuntu 12.04, will I be able to use vim-gnome even if Ubuntu 12.04 uses Unity?
[19:24] <StrangeNoises> DrGrov: it's important to get that right :-)
[19:24] <gordonjcp> no0b: yes
[19:24] <StrangeNoises> where they have UUID=???????? you put LABEL=Home
[19:24] <existensil> DrGrov: in reality, if you mess up the fstab line it just won't mount that drive, so you'll be back where you started (just SSD)
[19:25] <gordonjcp> no0b: or, you could just use vim in a terminal
[19:25] <kostkon> no0b, unity is a shell for gnome
[19:25] <wafflejock> yahoo: yeah you can say you have a MacBook 2020 I think
[19:25] <wafflejock> yahoo: not sure what other stuff that does but I know it's essentially for the system to boot
[19:25] <wafflejock> I've seen real Macs that have complaied about the NVRAM being messed up and Apple says the "logic board" needs to be replaced
[19:25] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Okay, the UUUID=???? is now LABEL=Home
[19:25] <StrangeNoises> yes
[19:25] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Gotta change the ext3 to ext4 then as well. Anything else, the /sda stuff?
[19:26] <no0b> gordonjcp: I'm planning to use it as a text editor for programming, will the terminal version suffice or will the GUI or vim-gnome be better?
[19:26] <StrangeNoises> yes
[19:26] <StrangeNoises> the sda5 they have there is just in a comment, doesn't matter. it's illustrative
[19:26] <no0b> kostkon: I'm planning to use it for programming purposes, will the terminal version suffice or will the GUI or vim-gnome be better?
[19:26] <StrangeNoises> we've used the LABEL instead
[19:26] <StrangeNoises> because next time you boot sda and sdb might have swapped over
[19:27] <yahoo> wafflejock: i'll give it a try
[19:27] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: This is what I put there, Label=HOME   /media/home    ext4          defaults       0       2
[19:27] <StrangeNoises> (probably won't on a simple system, but *might* so not to depend on it)
[19:27] <yahoo> wafflejock: i'll make system image via ubuntu first
[19:27] <StrangeNoises> that looks good
[19:27] <wafflejock> yahoo: godspeed
[19:27] <DrGrov> Ok, then just continue the procedures.
[19:27] <wafflejock> yahoo: good idea on the backup clonezilla has been good to me lately
[19:28] <yahoo> wafflejock: lol ! i wanted to get a MBP but i didnt bcuz its didnt sport haswell. Its like 3 - 4 months from now
[19:28] <figure002> no0b: the terminal VIM is good enough for programming (I also use it for programming), but it is less user friendly
[19:28] <yahoo> wafflejock: there's a tool called disks. that does a great job
[19:28] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Damn it, I tried sudo mount -a and it does not mount it.
[19:28] <yahoo> wafflejock: its pre-installed in ubuntu
[19:28] <wafflejock> yahoo: cool will check that out
[19:28] <wafflejock> yahoo: kubuntu?
[19:28] <StrangeNoises> did you do the previous step?
[19:28] <StrangeNoises> sudo mkdir /media/home
[19:29] <gordonjcp> no0b: try both and see what you like
[19:29] <yahoo> wafflejock: no ubuntu
[19:29] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Yes, I did the sudo mkdir/media/home
[19:29] <wafflejock> I'm on kubuntu Unity was making me a little mad
[19:29] <gordonjcp> no0b: I use just normal vim, but for most of my programming stuff I use gedit ;-)
[19:29] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: This is the error I get, mount: special device Label=HOME does not exist
[19:29] <StrangeNoises> presumably without that typo...
[19:29] <Ubnoobtu> dat gansta edit
[19:29] <StrangeNoises> LABEL=Home
[19:29] <StrangeNoises> case sensitive
[19:29] <yahoo> wafflejock: why ? unity is good ! you must be missing scopes, lens etc
[19:29] <StrangeNoises> you called it Home, not HOME
[19:29] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Oh, that explains why :)
[19:30] <StrangeNoises> should have spotted that too, you pasted the line
[19:30] <wafflejock> yahoo: eh not really, I like the panels and just setup what I need
[19:30] <StrangeNoises> i can see it's wrong now
[19:30] <StrangeNoises> i was checking the rest of the line :-)
[19:30] <Ubnoobtu> case sensitive, damn it, how many more times does StrangeNoises have to repeat himself!!! DrGrov , lol jk.
[19:30] <StrangeNoises> LABEL=Home, not Label=HOME
[19:30] <existensil> ha. in a way, he was close
[19:30] <wafflejock> I have Chrome | Sublime | Filezilla | Pithos | GnuCash | VirtualBox | XMBC | File Browser | Netflix | RDP/VNC | LinPhone | KdirStat | Trash | Calculator | Notes
[19:31] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Yes. I did LABEL=Home and it works :) No errors at least :)
[19:31] <figure002> wafflejock: I know what you mean, I switched to Gnome Shell on Ubuntu for that reason
[19:31] <wafflejock> that's in the bottom panel and I have running applications in the top panel
[19:31] <yahoo> wafflejock: i am more attracted to look. so i use ubuntu and hp lol !
[19:31] <StrangeNoises> yes some of the times i was in all-caps i wasn't shouting, i was just being specific
[19:31] <StrangeNoises> :-)
[19:31] <wafflejock> figure002: yeah I was missing the customization and wasn't happy with them hiding the close buttons and whatnot
[19:31] <existensil> DrGrov: now if you navigate to the directory (/media/home) in the file manager and right-click>properties on it, you should see your 1TB of free space :-)
[19:31] <Ubnoobtu> !offtopic
[19:31] <yahoo> wafflejock: and wht do you think about OS X ?
[19:31] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Thanks, I thought though you would be coming through the screen :) LOL
[19:31] <wafflejock> yahoo: exactly aesthetics all the way :)
[19:32] <wafflejock> that's cool it does look nice
[19:32] <wafflejock> I'm using this as my primary devleopment machine though
[19:32] <DrGrov> existensil: Ok, I just copy the home first or?
[19:32] <wafflejock> and running my business with my brother doing web dev
[19:32] <wafflejock> yahoo: OS X is pretty
[19:32] <StrangeNoises> DrGrov: follow those isntructions
[19:32] <wafflejock> yahoo: I like the ease for installing stuff
[19:32] <StrangeNoises> instructions even
[19:32] <StrangeNoises> they are Correct
[19:32] <StrangeNoises> more correct than me, i forgot about .gvfs
[19:32] <existensil> DrGrov: the rest of the steps are moving your current /home contents to /media/home, then changing fstab again so your 1TB is at /home instead of /media/home
[19:32] <wafflejock> yahoo: really I like OS X in general if they didn't bundle it with their hardware I would be buying it
[19:32] <yahoo> wafflejock: and what about performance ? over ubuntu ?
[19:32] <existensil> so you should continue with the guide
[19:33] <Ubnoobtu> !offtopic
[19:33] <wafflejock> yahoo: can't really compare honestly since it wiped out my ubuntu install on that computer and my laptop with SSD kills it
[19:33] <Ubnoobtu> ! offtopic
[19:33] <yahoo> wafflejock: but their hardware is the best out there.
[19:33] <Ubnoobtu> ubottu, what the hell is !offtopic
[19:33] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Something strange came up when comparing.
[19:33] <Ubnoobtu> !offtopic
[19:33] <StrangeNoises> wafflejock: well i actually have it the other way around. i have four real macs right now, but two of them are running ubuntu
[19:33] <yahoo> wafflejock: that makes their OS shine. same is with iOS
[19:33] <existensil> DrGrov: put it in pastebin or gist or something and let us see
[19:34] <DrGrov> existensil: Yes. will do.
[19:34] <existensil> you might get a difference in .bash_history or something. safe to ignore.
[19:34] <wafflejock> yahoo: I get that you can make a tight product when you control the entire process of development but I don't like the need to buy into the entire ecosystem
[19:35] <StrangeNoises> DrGrov: you mean in the diff command?
[19:35] <wafflejock> yahoo: I like companies that can work on open standards and create competition... don't get me wrong Apple has done some of this but they are also very closed garden about a lot of things
[19:35] <figure002> Ubnoobtu: that command makes the ubottu bot print that message; there are more of such commands for convenience
[19:35] <Ubnoobtu> whats the off topic channel?
[19:35] <DrGrov> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6343050/
[19:35] <yahoo> wafflejock: right but MacBook Pro has been declared as the 'best-performing' Windows laptop
[19:35] <StrangeNoises> Ubnoobtu: interoperability makes it ontopic? <reaching/>
[19:35] <Ubnoobtu> figure002: I was just trying to find the offtopic channel, I cant recall the name right now.
[19:36] <figure002> Ubnoobtu: see the message that ubottu printed
[19:36] <yahoo> wafflejock: i totally agree with you !!!
[19:36] <existensil> DrGrov: yeah, that's safe to ignore
[19:36] <existensil> just some new log entry added since the rsync happened
[19:36] <existensil> move along
[19:36] <StrangeNoises> DrGrov: there's a typo
[19:36] <Ubnoobtu> figure002: FAAAAH, I am an idiot, I missed that.
[19:36] <StrangeNoises> deahstar?
[19:36] <figure002> Ubnoobtu: :)
[19:37] <StrangeNoises> did you create your user wrong? :-)
[19:37] <StrangeNoises> or did you mean it to be deahstar not deathstar?
[19:37] <Ubnoobtu> to tha deahstar
[19:37] <StrangeNoises> watch out for the stomtroopers
[19:37] <StrangeNoises> or stormroopers i suppose
[19:38] <wilee-nilee> lol lisping characters
[19:38] <Ubnoobtu> its the bouny huners
[19:38] <StrangeNoises> governer arkin. i hought i'd find you here holding vader's leash
[19:39] <SMWim> Hi
[19:39] <SMWim> I have a problem can anyone help?
[19:39]  * figure002 xD
[19:39] <gordonjcp> !help | SMWim
[19:39] <SMWim> ok
[19:39] <SMWim> I drunk to much vodka last night and feel rat poop, how do I cure it?
[19:39] <wilee-nilee> Don't let Mel Brooks get a wisp of this
[19:39] <StrangeNoises> now *that's* offtopic
[19:40] <wafflejock> ahha
[19:40] <StrangeNoises> SMWim: gatorade
[19:40] <existensil> SMWim: i think you want #xubuntu
[19:40] <Ubnoobtu> lol
[19:40] <wafflejock> Vitamin B
[19:40] <wafflejock> Water
[19:40] <ttoni> ola
[19:40] <Ubnoobtu> an IV?
[19:40]  * genii makes more coffee
[19:41] <figure002> apt-get install caffeine
[19:41] <SMWim> ahaha
[19:41] <SMWim> apt-get install a new head
[19:41]  * StrangeNoises was serious about gatorade btw. they sell it as a sports drink but it's a hangover cure
[19:41] <genii> SMWim: We might be able to assist better if you had a support question involving Ubuntu :)
[19:41] <SMWim> ok ill try gatorade
[19:41] <StrangeNoises> for same reason: replacement of lost fluids and electrolytes etc.
[19:42] <Ubnoobtu> apt-get install beer_round2?
[19:42] <daftykins> StrangeNoises: no off-topic discussion in here i'm afraid, it is muchly frowned upon
[19:42] <wafflejock> function Person(howMuchWater,howMuchSleep) {return {moreWater:howMuchWater++;moreSleep:howMuchSleep++}}
[19:42] <StrangeNoises> daftykins: i think we're done
[19:42] <wafflejock> ya
[19:43]  * figure002 frowns upon StrangeNoises
[19:43] <StrangeNoises> most channels i'm on are too quiet to banish smalltalk, it helps keep them up to operating temperature. but this one's too busy
[19:43] <bigmac> I've run 'apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)' but that fails.  Was hoping someone might assist.
[19:43] <Ubnoobtu> So when typing, when do i use qoutes and escapes? is there a website?
[19:43] <StrangeNoises> when there's characters in the path that need them
[19:44] <StrangeNoises> spaces and a lot of punctuation chars
[19:44] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: you know you can tab complete in the command line?
[19:44] <StrangeNoises> anything that the shell might take to actually mean something more than being part of a pathname
[19:44] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: it's helpful for paths with spaces
[19:44] <Ubnoobtu> wafflejock: people are telling me this, but what is that
[19:44] <genii> bigmac: When it fails, what is the message it says to you?
[19:44] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: just type the first part then hit tab
[19:44] <wafflejock> if you see nothing hit tab again and it will list options
[19:45] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: it will search your $PATH which is just a string list of a bunch of paths to look for stuff and will look in the current directory
[19:45] <Ubnoobtu> wafflejock: but what about paths, thats what im having issues witrh
[19:45] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: yeah works for paths too so like type this
[19:45] <wafflejock> cd ~/Down
[19:45] <wafflejock> hit tab
[19:45] <wafflejock> the ~ means your home folder
[19:46] <wafflejock> it knows since you're doing a cd that you're looking for folders... not sure how honestly but it's smart like that
[19:46] <Ubnoobtu> so, when it comes to files, I type onnell@connell-laptop:~$ rsync ~/Home/Music robert@<IP_ADDRESS>:~/Music<EMAIL_ADDRESS>password:  rsync: change_dir "/home/connell/Home" failed: No such file or directory (2) rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9] connell@connell-laptop:~$ rsync ~/Music robert@<IP_ADDRESS>:~/Music<EMAIL_ADDRESS>password:  skipping
[19:46] <StrangeNoises> Ubnoobtu: that is, cd ~/Down<tab>
[19:46] <StrangeNoises> don't hit return after Down
[19:46] <DrGrov> Sorry, I missed everything.
[19:47] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Where is a typo?
[19:47] <StrangeNoises> deahstar not deathstar?
[19:47] <DrGrov> existensil: So after I showed the pastebin it is ok to continue?
[19:47] <StrangeNoises> possibly done during installation, you seem to have created user deahstar
[19:47] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: yeah basically if you have a space in an argument your passing a program like in this case then you're going to need to either quote the path or use the escape character before the space so the command doesn't think of that as a break to read the next parameter
[19:47] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Oh, I deleted some charachter by mistake sorry.
[19:48] <thnee> when using an alternative window manager (awesome), "Browse Network" in nautilis says "Operation not supported". What daemon must be running to make this work?
[19:48] <existensil> DrGrov: yes, safe
[19:48] <DrGrov> existensil: Ok.
[19:48] <DrGrov> existensil: What should I do then after I already did the fstab?
[19:48] <StrangeNoises> well your username is deahstar now, you may as well continue; fixing it will be future challenge
[19:48] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: generally speaking I just avoid having spaces in my paths for development stuff... for some generic things like business files/imagery and stuff I don't care so much, but folders I will probably run commands on a lot I just avoid the spaces
[19:49] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: No it is ok, I accidentally deleted in the pastebin :)
[19:49] <existensil> DrGrov: have you renamed /home to /old_home yet?
[19:49] <StrangeNoises> all the way down?
[19:49] <DrGrov> existensil: Not yet. So I hvae to do the fstab thing again?
[19:49] <Ubnoobtu> most of the data I have is music and movies from friends.
[19:49] <StrangeNoises> follow. the. guide.
[19:49] <existensil> DrGrov: yes, after renaming your current /home you'll need to change fstab so /media/home becomes your /home
[19:49] <Ubnoobtu> I'm a basic using trying to evolve
[19:49] <existensil> so you'll just make that small change
[19:50] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: yeah gotcha... I just have all of that stuff on a network attached storage (NAS)
[19:50] <StrangeNoises> DrGrov: the first edit of /etc/fstab makes the new drive mount on /media/home, so you can do the copy
[19:50] <existensil> the only thing in fstab that changes is /media/home becomes /home
[19:50] <DrGrov> existensil: Ok. StrangeNoises Ok.
[19:50] <StrangeNoises> the second one makes it mount on /home, where you want it to live forever more
[19:50] <DrGrov> So now I put there the same or something different?
[19:50] <existensil> just leave what's there and change /media/home to /home
[19:50] <DrGrov> Ok
[19:51] <DrGrov> I wrote before I had read it. Sorry about that,
[19:51] <Ubnoobtu> wafflejock: I think I was looking into something like that.
[19:51] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: I just used the network share to copy my stuff over.... honestly wish I knew more about rsync but haven't used it yet
[19:51] <DrGrov> *-.
[19:51] <cpined> hi, so on my host(XP) when I run netstat -na | grep TCP I can see the RDP port 3390 which is defined inside the guest(ubuntu) and when I netstat -na on the ubuntu os I don't see port 3390...is that the way it is supposed to behave?  Remote Display enabled from the guest os?
[19:51] <DrGrov> Ok, it is changed from /media/home to /home
[19:52] <figure002> thnee: does it work when you use the default window manager?
[19:52] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: they're kinda expensive but pretty nice, tons of space and streams to all sorts of stuff, though to be honest I mostly listen to pandora and watch stuff on YouTube/Netflix anyway
[19:52] <existensil> DrGrov: and you moved your old home from /home to /old_home already?
[19:53] <Ubnoobtu> wafflejock: Oh dude, my issues are not with rsync alone, my coding ability is slim to none, but I want to make this more into a martial art for me.
[19:53] <DrGrov> existensil: Doing it now.
[19:53] <DrGrov> existensil: Done.
[19:53] <existensil> after that you can `sudo mount -a` and be all done
[19:53] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: if you're real fresh check out http://www.codecademy.com/
[19:53] <existensil> now if you open up your file explorer, you should be in your new home directory, and if you right click and check the properties, you shuold see 1TB free space under /hmoe
[19:53] <existensil> */home
[19:54] <StrangeNoises> and although it says you don't need to reboot (and should be correct) do it anyway to be sure it comes up right, while we're still around
[19:54] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: it's all web tech stuff but nice online repetitive courses to help you remember
[19:54] <Ubnoobtu> wafflejock: I was just asking about that in offtopic
[19:54] <StrangeNoises> also run system monitor
[19:54] <DrGrov> Should I delete the old home?
[19:54] <StrangeNoises> delete it later, when you're sure everything's ok
[19:54] <DrGrov> Ok
[19:54] <StrangeNoises> though tbh it's a fresh install, you haven't got stuff to lose if it does go wrong
[19:54] <DrGrov> Now I reboot then just in case and get back to you guys?
[19:54] <existensil> yep
[19:54] <DrGrov> Talk to you soon
[19:55] <halloweb> Hello, what is the best optimizer for ubuntu?
[19:55] <parapan_> hi all > how can I select some packages from a particular ppa and not download all packages associated with this ppa ???
[19:56] <figure002> hellangel: what do you mean by optimizer?
[19:56] <thnee> halloweb: you need to be more specific, what do you want to do?
[19:56] <StrangeNoises> tricky, not sure, probably messing with pinning and crap like that. the other packages might be dependencies of the ones you want though so may be best to let it happen
[19:56] <wafflejock> parapan_: I dont understand, when you add a PPA then you install packages it just checks you PPAs for that package no?
[19:56] <figure002> halloweb: what do you mean by optimizer?
[19:56] <wafflejock> thnee: +1 halloweb htop
[19:57] <thnee> figure002: look into apt pinning
[19:57] <StrangeNoises> DrGrov should be back by now, it's UEFI/SSD, shoudln't take this long to boot
[19:57] <wilee-nilee> halloweb, hard work and a clean mind.
[19:57] <halloweb> three i want to put the turbo to ubuntu
[19:57] <lechunx> formatted a usb HD with fat32 partition using gparted to use as a shared network drive. samba config for the drive looks ok, set all permissions to 777, still getting permission denied on remote connection. any ideas?
[19:57] <cpined> bizarre...if i use the host ip address then I'm able to establish a RDP session for the guest OS>
[19:57] <thnee> halloweb: that makes no sense
[19:57] <parapan_> wafflejock: yeap > but how can I have-it visually ...cause with command line ..sudo apt-get upgrade is downloading all packages from that ppa
[19:57] <thnee> halloweb: the turbo button has not existed on any of my computers for 10+ years
[19:58] <wafflejock> parapan_: upgrade will upgrade all your existing installed packages
[19:58] <StrangeNoises> lechunx: to share a drive/partition/directory out with samba it doesn't need to be fat32
[19:58] <StrangeNoises> and probably shouldn't be
[19:58] <wafflejock> parapan_: apt-get install will install new packages
[19:58] <Ubnoobtu> wafflejock: of ruby, python, Jquery, Java, PHP, which is the most Linux like?
[19:58] <StrangeNoises> you only want fat32 if you're going to physically plug the drive into different platforms/systems
[19:58] <wafflejock> parapan_: apt-get update will update the list of packages from the PPAs
[19:58] <thnee> Ubnoobtu: python
[19:58] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: I'm a PHP/MySQL guy I use Javascript via AngularJS I missed the jQuery boat and am glad it's sailed
[19:59] <halloweb> three ubuntu needs a turbo in my computer because is very heavy
[19:59] <parapan_> wafflejock: correct ...and I just want to update 1 package not all of them ...
[19:59] <DrGrov> Ok. Done the reboot.
[19:59] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: python is interesting and a lot of smart people use it but the strict spacing makes me a little mad
[19:59] <StrangeNoises> Ubnoobtu: they're programming languages. linux is irrelevant; it's practically offtopic :-)
[19:59] <parapan_> wafflejock: how can I select the package ???
[19:59] <thnee> halloweb: I'm sorry, I don't think I can help you
[19:59] <wafflejock> I never gave it a fair shot
[19:59] <StrangeNoises> the most linux like of course is C
[19:59] <StrangeNoises> :-D
[19:59] <StrangeNoises> but none of them are linux-specific
[19:59] <wafflejock> very true I started with saying it was web tech
[19:59] <lechunx> StrangeNoises: i c, thanks for rply, what would be the preferred format if i keep it on this machine?
[19:59] <existensil> ruby trumps all for in code beauty and programmer happiness
[19:59] <wafflejock> but any programming helps
[19:59] <Ubnoobtu> all different aNSWERS
[19:59] <StrangeNoises> lechunx: ext4
[20:00] <existensil> not so much in the speed, but there is hardware and C extensions for that
[20:00] <wafflejock> agree C is the way to go if you really want to know whats up
[20:00] <StrangeNoises> for all your local filesystems
[20:00] <LFSveteran> someone familiair with rEFInd ?
[20:00] <wafflejock> C is under PHP
[20:00] <wafflejock> parapan_: sorry not sure man apt-get upgrade?

[20:00] <parapan_> wafflejock: grrr  . . . .I want a shortcut ....
[20:00] <existensil> "most linux like" would probably have to be C, since so much of linux is built on it
[20:00] <halloweb> three what is the app more similar to tuneup for ubuntu?
[20:00] <StrangeNoises> DrGrov: ah you're back
[20:00] <StrangeNoises> open terminal
[20:00] <Ubnoobtu> so uh, PHP, then python, then ruby and all else? if C is not available?
[20:00] <StrangeNoises> mount
[20:00] <wafflejock> parapan_: haha sorry can't spoon feed it to ya I don't know
[20:01] <StrangeNoises> (shows mounted filesystems)
[20:01] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: really doesn't matter much
[20:01] <StrangeNoises> (you should see /home among them)
[20:01] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: first language is going to be tough
[20:01] <parapan_> wafflejock: maybe after adding the ppa to do only sudo apt-get upgrade packagename ????
[20:01] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: others will be much easier
[20:01] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: This is the output of df -h , http://paste.ubuntu.com/6343185/
[20:01] <Ubnoobtu> I want to learn a language thats relevant to what I am doing tho, so am I really over complicating it though?
[20:02] <StrangeNoises> DrGrov, yay you're done
[20:02] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Yes! Thank you very much for the kind help :)
[20:02] <StrangeNoises> also check out System Monitor and look at File Systems tab (same thing, just prettier)
[20:02] <DrGrov> existensil: Thank you very much for the kind help :)
[20:02] <existensil> no problem. glad you got everything setup
[20:02] <StrangeNoises> right, i'm off to open a bottle of wine, because *I* didn't get drunk last night :-L
[20:02] <StrangeNoises> :-P even
[20:03] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Enjoy a good bottle of wine :)
[20:03] <Isualin> anyone playing hearthstone on ubuntu?
[20:03] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: what are you trying to do?
[20:03] <DrGrov> existensil: Could I bother you with another question now when I got everything setup as intended with the hard drives?
[20:03] <existensil> sure
[20:03] <Isualin> i have a small problem with fonts or graphics, i can't find which
[20:03] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: you may just want to learn about bash scripts cause that's what a  lot of the command line stuff is going to be, but to understand how those work you would probably need to know C
[20:03] <shruggar> recently upgraded to 3.10. Now, when I run the Backup program (backing up to a "My Passport" drive), I receive the message: "Error setting permissions: Function not implemented" shortly after the scanning phase completes. Any ideas?
[20:04] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: web technologies are in large demand though and the same principals from C have been extended into basically all languages thereafter
[20:04] <DrGrov> existensil: I am a bit tiredsome to see the Unity stuff integrations showing web results. Can those be completely turned off?
[20:04] <Ubnoobtu> wafflejock: I am trying to exactly that, command line stuff is really what I want to learn.
[20:04] <StrangeNoises> DrGrov: not relevant to what we've been doing, but now install ubuntu-restricted-extras. more stuff will just work
[20:04] <existensil> DrGrov: indeed. there is even a gui i think. one sec.
[20:04] <existensil> i think its in privacy but double checking
[20:04] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: yeah just look into bash scripting if that's what you're worried about... but really within the Linux community there are tons of little projects everywhere that do things a little differently
[20:04] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Okay. How do I
[20:05] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: Just by getting them with Synaptic?
[20:05] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: so you usually have to just learn whatever you need to accomplish whatever you want.. you can learn the general syntax stuff though just reading up on bash
[20:05] <existensil> yeah, go to System Settings > Security & Privacy > Search
[20:05] <wafflejock> !bash
[20:05] <StrangeNoises> DrGrov, yes, system settings->Security & Privacy -> Search, turn it off
[20:05] <existensil> and turn off online search results
[20:05] <figure002> Isualin: Your question seems incomplete. Please be more specific.
[20:05] <halloweb> Hello, I'm no expert on ubuntu user and I need a smart automatic optimizer to speed up ubuntu on my computer
[20:05] <StrangeNoises> and yes, you
[20:05] <StrangeNoises> use synaptic
[20:05] <wafflejock> parapan_: sorry couldn't find it in the man page... can't tell you for sure
[20:06] <StrangeNoises> ubuntu-restricted-extras basically installs flash, ms core fonts and a few other things (eg: mp3 codecs)
[20:06] <wafflejock> parapan_: I've always just upgraded piecewise using the GUI tbh
[20:06] <wilee-nilee> halloweb, there is no such thing get a faster computer, honestly you make no sense.
[20:06] <StrangeNoises> so more websites will just work right
[20:06] <Ubnoobtu> wilee-nilee: lol,
[20:06] <DrGrov> StrangeNoises: I got the ubuntu-restricted-addons when I installed. I take the extras now as well :)
[20:06] <StrangeNoises> yeah
[20:06] <StrangeNoises> right, really off now
[20:07] <StrangeNoises> addons are a subset of extras
[20:07] <existensil> halloweb: there is like unity-tweaks (i think its called) that allows you to tweak certain things, possibly to the benefit of performance
[20:07] <existensil> and you can always optimize for performance in your graphics drivers if you are using non-free proprietary ones
[20:07] <Semajnad> Anyone here have experience with vsftpd
[20:07] <savagejen> ok this is driving me nuts... after some update recently, after coming out of sleep, my mouse disappears. I keep having do to modprobe -r psmouse and modprobe psmouse to restart it
[20:07] <halloweb> while-nilee ubuntu never will can be more fast with a good optimizer ??
[20:07] <Isualin> figure002: i can play the game with wine without any problems. the only thing bothering me is, some text in the game(usernames, card information) with a certain font has weird green background
[20:07] <Ubnoobtu> wafflejock: So bash is really something that will always remain fluid with these little projecting going more mainstream, so try not to learn it so rigidly? and web technologies are expanding, with C being the back bone for it?
[20:07] <wilee-nilee> Don't feed the the computer optimizer existensil with garbage
[20:07] <wafflejock> halloweb: if you're looking for performance you need to know what is dragging down your computer, use htop, iotop programs to see usage or other system monitors
[20:07] <figure002> halloweb: I've never heard of an optimizer for Ubuntu. If Ubuntu runs too heavy on your PC, you can try a different graphical user interface (Gnome Classic?) or switch to a lightweight Linux distribution (Xubuntu/Lubuntu?).
[20:08] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: that's a good summary IMO
[20:08] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: bash is pretty solid too
[20:08] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: but other programs you need like rsync (bad example but others) may chagne
[20:08] <DrGrov> existensil: With the specs I have, what would you suggest that I should be running?
[20:08] <existensil> DrGrov: did you post your specs? i didn't see them
[20:08] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: things like node.js which have been recently created are in massive flux in their initial 1.0 versions
[20:08] <Ubnoobtu> wafflejock: wen technologies being cloud services and currency, crypto type of things?
[20:08] <halloweb> figure002 why therent  a optimizer like tuneup for ubuntu??
[20:09] <existensil> halloweb: because its already running as fast as the developers could make it
[20:09] <existensil> it comes pretty optimized
[20:09] <DrGrov> existensil: Oh sorry.
[20:10] <Ubnoobtu> halloweb: There isn't a lot that would be running until you start it. Also, the programs that would slow down a windows pc don't really exist here in linux land
[20:10] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: yeah web technologies being all the stuff that runs e-commerce and the like... anything that needs to store stuff long term and keep it secure uses some server side language (PHP Python Perl Ruby Java C# ASP etc. etc.)
[20:10] <DrGrov> existensil: It is a Asus Extreme 3 mobo, a Intel Xeon E5 processor, 8GB DDR3 RAM, nVidia GT 620 1GB.
[20:10] <figure002> Isualin: Ahh. Not all Windows applications work perfectly with Wine. You should ask around on the WineHQ Forums.
[20:10] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: on the front facing side (what users see in their browser) JavaScript is used
[20:10] <existensil> halloweb: optimizations are what we expect new versions to provide. 13.10 is an "optimized" 13.04 pretty much... epsecially since there are hardly any new features EXCEPT performance improvements
[20:10] <existensil> DrGrov: then you should be running unity of course :-)
[20:10] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: jQuery is a library of JavaScript that gets rid of some of the problems in different browsers and gives you a nice way to get a handle on objects
[20:11] <Isualin> figure002: ok thanks, i will ask there
[20:11] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: instead of that I've learned AngularJS because I feel it's a better architecture and fits more in line with what I already knew (AS3/Flex)
[20:11] <DrGrov> existensil: You sure about that? :)
[20:11] <strtok> I'm on 12.10, totally up to date, and if i do a do-release-upgrade it says "No new release found". One problem I do have is that if I do an apt-get update it complains about not being able to connect to extras.ubuntu.com port 21
[20:11] <halloweb> exixtensil why my windows is with tuneup is more fast than lubuntu the distro more fast of ubuntu, why ??
[20:12] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: I do this professionally though so I'm not saying you need to learn web technologies to appreciate or use Linux well
[20:12] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: the site is just very nice for learning how they guide you through it all
[20:12] <hitsujiTMO> DrGrov: Are you running multiple monitors to need the gt 620?
[20:12] <existensil> halloweb: i don't understand what you just said, and you mispelled my handle. i think that concludes the conversation.
[20:12] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: I'd recommend you do the JavaScript one on there just to get an idea of how programming works in general... then you can learn about Bash and C and stuff and it will make more sense
[20:13] <h00k> halloweb: you can also use a minimal version if you're interested
[20:13] <Ubnoobtu> wafflejock: I'm trying to learn it to use it professionally, I'm out of school at the moment, and I just feel like I should teach my self this before going back in a few months. A headstart if you will.
[20:13] <h00k> !minimal | halloweb
[20:13] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: yeah in either case I would start with JS because it has most of the basic language features you run into within other languages and is fairly forgiving
[20:13] <halloweb> existensill why windows + tuneup is faster than lubuntu the most fast of all the ubuntus?
[20:14] <Ubnoobtu> wafflejock: awesome, thanks bro.
[20:14] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: no problem best of luck, let me know if you need help
[20:14] <existensil> halloweb: faster at what? i'm pretty sure my tmux shell runs way faster through gnome-terminal on ubuntu than though mysgwin and whatever crappy emulator i have to use on windows
[20:14] <figure002> halloweb: Exactly what Ubnoobtu said. Programs like TuneUp make Windows specific optimizations. And as why Windows might run faster on your hardware; it depends on the software you run on Ubuntu and also the drivers you use. Some Linux drivers might be slower than the Windows equivalent.
[20:15] <Boohbah> how does it feel to alienate KDE? thoughts? https://plus.google.com/115606635748721265446/posts/KAPGX3pHR2H
[20:16] <Ubnoobtu> wafflejock: I've been coming in here for a few months now. I've had help from wilieeniliee, MrPPS, DrWillis, and some other guys that have been zen masters to my grasshopper
[20:16] <h00k> Boohbah: that may be more appropriate for the #ubuntu-offtopic channel, as it's not directly support related
[20:16] <Boohbah> h00k: okay, thanks
[20:17] <halloweb> figure002 the hardware of my computer was made only for work with windows nt 6.0
[20:17] <Ubnoobtu> nt 6
[20:17] <wafflejock> Ubnoobtu: hah yeah I've just gotten back into IRC in the last few months too, mostly was looking for help with Asterisk PBX (phone stuff) but like hanging out in the ubuntu room, those guys have pointed me in the right direction more than once too
[20:18] <Ubnoobtu> wafflejock: I like it here, and if it wasn't for the community, I would feel helpless and wouldn't have gotten started
[20:19] <trism> strtok: have you checked that you have: Prompt=normal in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades ?
[20:19] <shruggar> recently upgraded to 3.10. Now, when I run the Backup program (backing up to a "My Passport" drive), I receive the message: "Error setting permissions: Function not implemented" shortly after the scanning phase completes. Any ideas?
[20:19] <figure002> hellangel: That doesn't say anything. You'll just have to experiment with different software / distributions. Also you didn't say what exactly is slower in Ubuntu.
[20:19] <strtok> i think i edited /etc/debian_version and changed it to 6.0.1 to fool some software. Does anyone know what /etc/debian_version should contain for 12.10?
[20:20] <figure002> halloweb: above message was meant for you
[20:20] <LFSveteran> someone familiair with rEFInd ?
[20:21] <kenshiro> Hi, can I install saucy hardware enablement stack in Ubuntu 12.04 ?
[20:22] <strtok> trism: i do. and i'm trying to do a do-release-upgrade from command-line
[20:22] <halloweb> figure002 , if my hardware was designed only for work with windows nt 6.0 for this cause only can  be more faster with windows??
[20:23] <Wamphyri> anyone familiur with pureftpd?
[20:23] <halloweb> figure002 , if my hardware was designed only for work with windows nt 6.0 for this cause only can  be  faster with windows??
[20:23] <wafflejock> Wamphyri: nope I've used vsftpd but you may just want to throw your question out there and someone who knows may see it
[20:24] <wafflejock> halloweb: not really but if it was made for NT it will probably struggle with modern Ubuntu
[20:24] <Wamphyri> yay wafflejock lol least i got a  reply beyond don't use ftp, ftp sucks etc lol
[20:24] <figure002> halloweb: No, like I said before. It totally depends on the hardware you have. Some hardware is better supported than other.
[20:24] <wafflejock> halloweb: you're better off with Xubuntu
[20:25] <figure002> wafflejock: he said NT 6.0, which is Vista and the like, so his PC should be fast enough to run Ubuntu.
[20:25] <wafflejock> Wamphyri: yeah honestly I feel wary about the FTP setup :) it's just on my amazon box for some website I host
[20:25] <wafflejock> figure002: isn't that 2000?
[20:25] <apullz> set theme revolutionary
[20:26] <apullz> set theme revolutionary.theme
[20:26] <wafflejock> figure002: 13 year old computer probably not so good with Unity I imagine
[20:26] <Wamphyri> ok heres my issue, when i log onto my ftp server, i can get the main folder, but when i try to switch into a sub directory i get connection timed out failed to retrive directory listing, theres no nat enabled, dmz is opened on my router for this my personal computer, filewalls disabled on both the server (kvm) and desktop
[20:26] <wafflejock> figure002: or am I way off on my years?
[20:26] <figure002> wafflejock: No, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT_6.0
[20:26] <halloweb> wafflejock ok but my windows is worse than lubuntu although when i use windows + tuneup 2013 my windows is faster than lubuntu and xubuntu
[20:26] <wafflejock> figure002: ah okay thank you
[20:27] <Wamphyri> windows nt 6.0, thought that was windows 2000
[20:27] <auronandace> Wamphyri: nt5 is win2k
[20:27] <Wamphyri> ahh thats right
[20:28] <Wamphyri> been so long since i even had to think about nt version numbers lol
[20:28] <wafflejock> halloweb: basically your hardware is your hardware as far as I know there's no performance enhancing hardware that is only available to windows, that said the code for all the drivers and everything accessing your hardware and everything on top of that is different
[20:28] <figure002> halloweb: In what sense is it faster?
[20:29] <wafflejock> figure002: +1 good question are we talking boot time
[20:29] <wafflejock> or graphics performance?
[20:29] <wafflejock> or copying files?
[20:30] <wafflejock> Wamphyri: permisions?
[20:30] <halloweb> figure002 In rapid response and to navigate
[20:30] <wafflejock> Wamphyri: have you checked the folder permissions for subdirectories think they need to have execute for the ftp group/user but at least read
[20:30] <Wamphyri> wafflejock, i'll double check but i'm pretty sure there proper
[20:30] <figure002> halloweb: what graphics card do you have?
[20:31] <apullz> hey
[20:31] <halloweb> nvidia
[20:31] <halloweb> figure002 nvidia
[20:31] <Wamphyri> wafflejock, 755 permissions
[20:31] <halloweb> graphics by nvidia
[20:32] <Wamphyri> owner and group is proper as well
[20:32] <wafflejock> I feel like the directories also need execute bit on for some reason... but this may have been something related to Apache and not the FTP configuration....
[20:32] <wafflejock> let me see if I can find it
[20:32] <Wamphyri> OHH if the directory is empty (nothing uploaded) i can list the directory just fine
[20:32] <Wamphyri> it has excute as well
[20:33] <Slade-> hey whats the best way to remove old images from /boot  just delete them?  i need to free up some space to install saucy
[20:33] <wafflejock> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11266173/why-does-apache-php-require-execution-permissions-to-write-to-a-file
[20:33] <wafflejock> ah
[20:33] <wafflejock> k disregard that
[20:33] <figure002> halloweb: Can't be graphics then. Nvidia support in Ubuntu is fine as far as I know. I don't know why it runs slow on your PC then. Sorry.
[20:34] <wafflejock> halloweb: if you run system monitor is anything spiking out or being consumed all the way?
[20:35] <figure002> Slade-: do you mean remove old Linux kernels?
[20:35] <wafflejock> Wamphyri: have you checked into the setgid bit too
[20:35] <Wamphyri> nope
[20:35] <Slade-> figure002: and clean the boot menu (if thats relevant)
[20:35] <Wamphyri> never heard of it so i'm all eyes :)
[20:35] <everald> Hi. What program should I use to record video?
[20:35] <figure002> Slade-: yes, you mean remove old Linux kernels and headers, that's easy..
[20:36] <wafflejock> Wamphyri: sorry I'm not very well educated on this but you should check it out basically it makes it so new folders inherit the permissions if I understand correctly
[20:36] <halloweb> waffelejock ubuntu can be  faster with a good optimizer like tuneup and i think that the drivers arent no problem because the drivers of the last version of ubuntu are more new  than the of my old windows , i think it
[20:36] <parapan_> wafflejock: sorry I was away a little bit ... i'l try the GUI updater also ....
[20:36] <wafflejock> Wamphyri: I'm still very new to setting up FTP myself
[20:36] <everald> Which program are you using yourself?
[20:36] <figure002> Slade-: do not remove them by hand..
[20:36] <Semajnad> Has anyone here used vsftpd?
[20:36] <Slade-> figure002: just delete em? or is there a cleanup
[20:36] <figure002> Slade-: wait, I'll give you a link
[20:36] <Slade-> k
[20:36] <Wamphyri> wafflejock, ahh yeah the files in the secondary directory are fine the have correct owner and group
[20:37] <wafflejock> halloweb: just because they are newer doesn't mean they're better but I've not had problems with Nvidia on Linux in a bit
[20:37] <Semajnad> Does anyone mind giving me a hand with chroot to stop ftp users going up a directory out of their home?
[20:37] <wafflejock> Wamphyri: hmm yeah sorry I'll let you know if I think of anything else but I think that's about the end of what I know about that :|
[20:37] <figure002> Slade-: http://askubuntu.com/questions/2793/how-do-i-remove-or-hide-old-kernel-versions-to-clean-up-the-boot-menu
[20:38] <Slade-> figure002: awesome :)
[20:38] <Wamphyri> wafflejock, i appreciate your help tho, tried other channels and the response like i said before was ftp sucks, don't use ftp blah blah blah
[20:38] <Wamphyri> but when you used bunch of different devices to access your ftp you want simplicity
[20:38] <figure002> Slade-: For your interest, I prefer the second answer over the accepted answer.
[20:38] <wafflejock> Wamphyri: yeah I mean it's a security concern though I'm sure which is valid
[20:38] <halloweb> wafflejock tuneup mark the difference in my old  windows , I'm sure
[20:39] <wafflejock> Semajnad: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/vsftp-chroot-users-limit-to-only-their-home-directory.html
[20:39] <Slade-> figure002: synaptic ?
[20:39] <Semajnad> wafflejock: I've done that, but when I go to ftp and login with user 001 he can still go up a directory :/
[20:39] <Semajnad> wafflejock: do you mind taking a look at my configuration please?
[20:39] <Wamphyri> wafflejock, well overall i'm the only user for the server lol and each account is chrooted to head folder by default
[20:39] <wafflejock> Semajnad: you can throw it at me and I can compare
[20:40] <figure002> Slade-: No, the one with 43 upvotes
[20:40] <everald> How do I capture video with kdenlive?
[20:40] <Slade-> figure002: ah ok
[20:40] <figure002> Slade-: but Synaptic is better if you are not very familiar with the command line
[20:41] <Slade-> figure002: i am not very familiar with anything other than commandline
[20:41] <figure002> Slade-: good :)
[20:41] <wafflejock> everald: how do you mean capture video? from what?
[20:41] <Semajnad> wafflejock: http://pastie.org/8448933
[20:41] <Semajnad> wafflejock:  oh hold on
[20:42] <Semajnad> wafflejock:  I changed some things :)
[20:42] <Slade-> figure002: so you like the second answer because it does it safer?
[20:42] <everald> wafflejock, from /dev/video0
[20:42] <wafflejock> everald: not sure you can record directly in kdenlive can't you use cheese?
[20:42] <everald> wafflejock, I just can't find any record button or anything, although it does have a preferences entry to set the video input
[20:43] <everald> cheese, ok trying again
[20:43] <wafflejock> everald: just found vokoscreen which is awesome for recording your desktop (also has a webcam thing you can pop-up in there which is cool)
[20:43] <wafflejock> everald: yeah kdenlive is for editing the stuff not sure about recording though
[20:43] <figure002> Slade-: I like the second answer more because it's short, clear, and does the job
[20:43] <Semajnad> wafflejock: Ye it still doesn't work :P
[20:44] <Semajnad> wafflejock:  If yo don't mind taking a look that would be great
[20:44] <Slade-> figure002: ah ok. i had about 20 to delete so i used the first one :p
[20:44] <everald> wafflejock, cheese crashes when I want to record ort something
[20:44] <Slade-> figure002: in the future i'll use the secodn one, thanks
[20:44] <figure002> Slade-: that is fine, and you're welcome
[20:45] <eer> I am using an encrypted LVM to for my Ubuntu box but my fstab only shows entries for boot and swap.
[20:46] <Slade-> figure002: heh i dont have 'update-grub2' :P
[20:46] <OerHeks> everald, can you give us more details about the capture device? lspci or lsusb would give info
[20:47] <Slade-> just update-grub
[20:47] <OerHeks> grub2 uses update-grub too.
[20:47] <Slade-> OerHeks: just reading from a tutorial that said use update-grub2 ;)
[20:48] <OerHeks> bad tutorial Slade-
[20:48] <wilee-nilee> debian use grub2
[20:48] <Slade-> was on the ask ubuntu site.. but yea :)
[20:48] <wafflejock> Semajnad: think you need list_enable one too be NO
[20:48] <wafflejock> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/vsftpd#To_chroot_users
[20:49] <wafflejock> everald: bummer
[20:49] <wafflejock> everald: sorry about that
[20:49] <wafflejock> everald: I had some issues with it with one web cam... hmm trying to think of other web cam recording software
[20:49] <Number5> Hello guys, I tried 10.04 live cd on my relatively old laptop, but turns out that usb is kind of not powered on at all. Both my wifi-usb as my usb-memory stick is not recognised, ubuntu doesn't react on these devices at all. Is that a familiar problem?
[20:49] <Slade-> hmm lots of 'no candidate ver' when upgrading to saucy..
[20:50] <Semajnad> wafflejock:  No still doens't work :/
[20:50] <wilee-nilee> Slade-, upgrading a distro has it's risks, you backed up?
[20:51] <wafflejock> Semajnad: so you went with
[20:51] <wafflejock> # 1. All users are jailed by default:
[20:51] <wafflejock> chroot_local_user=YES
[20:51] <wafflejock> chroot_list_enable=NO
[20:51] <Slade-> wilee-nilee: have all the configs i care about backed up.
[20:51] <Semajnad> wafflejock:  Yes
[20:51] <wilee-nilee> Slade-, cool.
[20:51] <elijah> Hey guys, what is the partition /boot, is it created automatically on install? I am getting an error saying I don't have space left and everything points to me having to manually delete kernels. disk usage analyzer says it is 216MB and 100% capacity. I don't understand why this is happening?
[20:51] <wafflejock> Semajnad: and restarted vsftpd
[20:51] <Semajnad> wafflejock: yes, but I also notic3ed there are two lines for chroot_locaal_user=YES
[20:51] <Slade-> wilee-nilee: would still take me hours to put it back together if it failed
[20:52] <elijah> I don't mind deleting kernels if I really have too but this shouldn't happen to users after they run updates enough times.
[20:52] <wilee-nilee> elijah, a boot partition is not created automatically.
[20:52] <wafflejock> Semajnad: if it's a fresh install you may want to reinstall just to be sure your config is good
[20:52] <elijah> wilee-nilee: So I must have created it then?
[20:52] <wafflejock> apt-get purge vsftpd
[20:52] <wafflejock> I believe
[20:52] <Semajnad> wafflejock: How can I do that?
[20:52] <wilee-nilee> elijah, Yes, not really needed.
[20:53] <figure002> Slade-: weird, update-grub2 has always been present on my default Ubuntu.. but update-grub should do :)
[20:53] <wafflejock> apt-get remove is to uninstall a package but leaves configuration around
[20:53] <wafflejock> purge gets rid of it all from what I gather
[20:53] <figure002> Slade-: ohh, you use an older Ubuntu
[20:53] <Semajnad> wafflejock:  Yes it's a fresh install of vsftpd however I count connect to ftp before I install it, so does vsftpd override the currently installed one?
[20:53] <elijah> wilee-nilee: that doesn't entirely make sense because other users are getting that message too and we didn't all just decide to make a partition called boot
[20:53] <elijah> wilee-nilee: Is it referring to the /boot folder
[20:53] <wilee-nilee> elijah, Heh, why yes you all did it used to be a a norm.
[20:54] <wafflejock> Semajnad: oh well that could be your problem
[20:54] <wafflejock> were you asking how to restart vsftp?
[20:54] <elijah> wilee-nilee: Maybe the installer asked us to?
[20:54] <wilee-nilee> elijah, check how full the root is.
[20:54] <Semajnad> wafflejock:  Do you know how to see if I've already got one installed, cause if I can remove that I will probably be okay
[20:54] <elijah> wilee-nilee: Root has 50 GB available.
[20:54] <wafflejock> Semajnad: yeah use nmap to see what ports are open
[20:55] <wafflejock> run sudo apt-get install nmap to get it
[20:55] <wafflejock> then
[20:55] <wafflejock> sudo nmap localhost
[20:55] <wilee-nilee> elijah, Maybe a ghost told you to, never seen the installer do that, sorry for the cheeky answers but you are grasping for answers to your own work.
[20:55] <wafflejock> it should show you what ports you have open you can try to stop vsftpd and see if you still have port 21 open
[20:55] <wafflejock> if so something else is using it
[20:55] <Semajnad> 21 is open for ftp
[20:55] <Semajnad> 22 for ssh
[20:56] <Semajnad> So how can I remove vsftpd
[20:56] <wilee-nilee> elijah, Do you have a boot partition and is it full is the issue.
[20:56] <elijah> wilee-nilee: I do, it is a 243 MB partition
[20:56] <Semajnad> wafflejock:  Okay' i've removed it let me check
[20:56] <wafflejock> Semajnad: netstat -tulpn
[20:57] <wafflejock> Semajnad: that will show you what process has the port open
[20:57] <wafflejock> Semajnad: you can manually kill that process then
[20:57] <Semajnad> wafflejock:  and I'm looking for 21?
[20:57] <wafflejock> yup
[20:57] <wilee-nilee> elijah, Clean the extra kernels out that is the only answer, you can complain later if needed I suppose.
[20:57] <elijah> wilee-nilee: lol, okay
[20:57] <wilee-nilee> ;)
[20:57] <Semajnad> wafflejock:  http://pastie.org/8448962
[20:57] <Semajnad> wafflejock:  By the looks of it nothing is using 21
[20:58] <Semajnad> wafflejock:  But I can still connect to ftp
[20:59] <wafflejock> Semajnad: mystery
[20:59] <wafflejock> Semajnad: usually I like mysteries :)
[20:59] <Semajnad> wafflejock:  lol
[21:00] <wafflejock> Semajnad: okay well just try to restart vsftpd and see if it complains
[21:00] <wafflejock> sudo service vsftpd restart
[21:00] <Semajnad> wafflejock:  sudo: /etc/init.d/vsftpd: command not found
[21:00] <wafflejock> hmm that means vsftpd isn't installed did you already purge?
[21:00] <Semajnad> wafflejock:  after running : sudo /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart
[21:00] <wafflejock> if so you'll need to install
[21:01] <Semajnad> purge?
[21:01] <wafflejock> eh yeah above I wrote about how you could reinstall vsftpd by using apt-get purge
[21:01] <wafflejock> !apt-get
[21:02] <wafflejock> purge ~ This command completely removes a package and the associated configuration files. Configuration files residing in ~ are not usually affected by this command
[21:02] <Semajnad> Okay I've done apt-get purge
[21:02] <Semajnad> " The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:   libc6-i386"
[21:02] <wafflejock> Semajnad: that's just something that something else you had was dependent on but now you have no dependency on it, apt-get is just letting you know
[21:03] <Semajnad> wafflejock:  But I can still connect to FTP using Filezilla without vsftpd, so I must have something else installed :/
[21:03] <wafflejock> so all I was saying right now though is that it looks like vsftpd isn't installed
[21:03] <wafflejock> yeah
[21:03] <wafflejock> I dunno
[21:03] <wafflejock> I can't figure out why you don't see port 21 open with a process
[21:03] <wafflejock> you're for sure connecting on port 21 from your FTP client?
[21:03] <wafflejock> cause that just doesn't make sense
[21:04] <Semajnad> I haven't put a port in, and 21 is default isn't it?
[21:04] <wafflejock> if you're connecting to a machine on port 21 but it has no process bound to port 21 then there has to be a problem
[21:04] <Semajnad> I'm using SFTP - SSH File Transfer Protocol in Filezilla
[21:04] <wafflejock> Semajnad:  yeah it's default
[21:04] <wafflejock> ah SFTP is not FTP
[21:04] <Semajnad> wafflejock:  Oh right
[21:04] <Semajnad> wafflejock:  Lol, sorry I don't know much about ftp :P
[21:04] <wafflejock> Semajnad: no worries me neither blind leading the blind in here
[21:05] <Semajnad> wafflejock:  Good to know ;) So is SFTP different, and does that explain anything
[21:05] <Dr_Willis> sftp is handled by ssh. not ftp servers
[21:05] <Dr_Willis> if you are using sftp - you dont need any other ftp servers installed
[21:06] <wafflejock> Semajnad: yeah uses port 22
[21:06] <OerHeks> lsof -i TCP:21
[21:06] <Semajnad> Dr_Willis:  trying to stop users getting out of home directory, wafflejock  can I still stop that with sftp
[21:06] <wafflejock> FTP is giving you an extra weakness
[21:06] <wafflejock> Semajnad: I would defer to Dr_Willis if they he has an answer
[21:06] <Semajnad> wafflejock: Okay, so with sftp can I stop uses going up a directory?
[21:06] <wafflejock> er she
[21:06] <ro9> hi
[21:07] <Semajnad> Dr_Willis: With SFTP, can I stop users going up a directory?
[21:07] <Dr_Willis> Semajnad:  every time i see someone worry about doing that.. i have to wonder.. why bother.
[21:07] <Semajnad> Dr_Willis:  What do you mean?
[21:07] <wafflejock> it's true you just need to set permissions
[21:07] <Dr_Willis> Semajnad:  with the normal permission systems used on ubuntu.. even IF the users cd up to /  they cant really do any damage
[21:07] <Dr_Willis> so its like putting a speed bump in front of a stop sign.
[21:07] <Semajnad> Dr_Willis:  To me it's just cleaner and makes me feel better if they can't even see the structure of our server.
[21:08] <Semajnad> Dr_Willis:  Considering these people are people I don't know
[21:08] <figure002> Semajnad: yes you can, i've done it before
[21:08] <Dr_Willis> Semajnad:  makes me wonder why you are letting them have any access at all then.
[21:08] <Semajnad> Dr_Willis: It's for server hosting, so I host their server, they can access their directory but nothing else.
[21:08] <Semajnad> figure002: Do you know how?
[21:08] <Dr_Willis> err.. and they are actually PAYING you for this?
[21:09] <Semajnad> Dr_Willis:  No, it's a promotional thing for something we're doing :) It's not costing them anything, trust me, I wouldn't dare take people's money I'm not good enough
[21:09] <Dr_Willis> I imagine the askubuntu.com and stackexchange site has numerous hits on this exact topic as well
[21:09] <Dr_Willis> but i doubt if its going to be worth the effott to do.
[21:09] <elijah> wilee-nilee: Thanks for your help
[21:10] <figure002> Semajnad: I did it with help of a tutorial.. see if I can still find it (was years ago)
[21:10] <Semajnad> Dr_Willis:  I would like to be able to, do you know the name of a method to doing it and I'll search iot?
[21:10] <wafflejock> yeah I mostly did it for the sake of experimentation and am working with one other developer on some projects so wanted to give him access