[14:55] <jrwren> Yeah... it was from Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations
[14:55] <jrwren> https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/07/24/1189276187/an-ultra-processed-diet-made-this-doctor-sick-now-hes-studying-why
[14:55] <jrwren> links to https://www.fao.org/3/ca5644en/ca5644en.pdf which is Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0


[09:50] <Zic> http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=76NviXg_1g4 <= about this video, what is the UME interface which is used ?
[09:51] <Zic> is it an "upstream supported" interface, or just a customized version for the Gigabyte device in the video ?
[09:51] <Zic> ("upstream supported" by Ubuntu, not by Gigabyte)
[10:09] <lool> Zic: Not sure, either it's the first HTML UI, or it's a customer-specific UI; both aren't in UME ATM
[10:09] <lool> The HTML UI was superseded with the current one
[10:10] <Zic> thanks, the default UI (black with large icon) after an auto-build by Mobile Image Creator, what is its "system name" ?
[10:10] <Zic> I think it's "Flash UI", but not sure
[10:11] <lool> The engine is mobile-basic-flash
[10:14] <Zic> thanks
[10:14] <Zic> How can I switch to an other engine ?
[10:29] <lool> Zic: Currently, you have to set it up manually in UME; in other private builds, there is some hacked machinery to do so
[10:30] <lool> Zic: The setup is in the /etc/hildon-desktop dir
[10:30] <Zic> thanks for your help, I will take a look after eating ;)
[15:57] <Zic> lool: if you are here, can you explain me what should I change in the /etc/hildon-desktop dir to use an other UI ?
[15:58] <Zic> I've looked at all .conf files, and don't see what I can change to specify an other UI :/


[16:52] <dmart> Quick upstart question in Karmic:
[16:52] <dmart> I want to hook in a script to run on shutdown which runs as late as possible, but strictly before filesystems are unmounted.
[16:52] <dmart> Is is possible to do that with an upstart job, or do I need a SysV style link from rc[06].d?
[16:53] <sadmac> dmart: its likely possible, but its specific to Karmic's setup of upstart, and thus should be asked in an ubuntu-specific channel
[16:54] <dmart> OK
[16:55] <dmart> One related question is whether it's possible to put "before event" constraints in upstart jobs.  This would provide a framework for doing the kind of thing I'm talking about, but I couldn't see a way to do it.
[16:55] <Keybuk> not before event, no
[16:58] <dmart> Is there any plan to add such a thing?  This might make it easier to incorporate things like filesystem unmounting within the upstart framework.
[16:58] <Keybuk> sort-of
[16:59] <dmart> There might be a straightforward workaround that I'm not thinking of, of course
[16:59] <ion> The sysvinit script will die and become an Upstart job or part of one. Then you can nicely insert your own stuff based on the events emitted by said job.
[17:01] <dmart> My concern was that if you have some random tasks X, Y, Z which need to run on shutdown but before filesystem unmounting, then the unmount job must list them all: start on (stopped X and stopped Y and stopped Z)
[17:01] <Keybuk> no
[17:01] <Keybuk> X can be start on starting unmount
[17:01] <dmart> Are the jobs serialised... how do you ensure that the unmount job does not really run until X finishes?
[17:04] <Keybuk> they're serialised
[17:04] <Keybuk> jobs can block each other
[17:07] <dmart> Hmmm, OK.  Do you know if there's a good example somewhere I could look at?
[17:10] <Keybuk> man 7 starting
[17:14] <dmart> Keybuk: Ah, I seee.  Sorry for the newbie questions... I'm still finding my way around the upstart man pages.  Thanks!
[17:26] <dmart> Just to check my understanding, if I make a job start on (runlevel [09] and starting rc), will that have the desired effect of a job which runs on shutdown but before the final teardown done by rc?  Is start on starting rc RUNLEVEL=[06] equivalent?
[17:27] <dmart> (I mean [06], not [09])
[17:34] <Keybuk> actually
[17:34] <Keybuk> you can just do
[17:34] <Keybuk> the latter
[17:34] <Keybuk> start on starting rc RUNLEVEL=[06]
[17:34] <Keybuk> because /etc/init/rc.conf has export RUNLEVEL in it
[17:44] <dmart> Keybuk: OK, thanks for confirming.  I think I understand much better now :)
[19:17] <Berteun> hello someone here? :)
[19:17] <JanC> no  :P
[19:47] <Berteun> hi, i'm running into a problem which might be related to upstart
[19:48] <Berteun> i've just installed karmic 9.10 under a xen domu and now the system hangs, just as described here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/398214
[19:48] <Berteun> the bootlog is here: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/35544120/ubuntu910log-2.txt
[19:49] <sadmac> Berteun: I'd advise you to CC yourself on that bug then
[19:49] <Berteun> if i strip my /etc/init/ and remove quite a few scripts, it ends with init: event_finished: Finished startup event
[19:49] <Berteun> yeah okay
[19:49] <Berteun> and i suspect mountall is the culprit
[19:49] <sadmac> Berteun: you should probably comment on it too
[19:49] <Berteun> but that's only a vague guess
[19:50] <Berteun> so i'd like to explore that a bit more
[19:50] <Berteun> but i'm rather new to upstart
[19:50] <Berteun> so i'm more or less 'lost'
[19:51] <sadmac> Berteun: if you want general information about upstart internals you're in the right place. As far as solving your issue, though, the launchpad bug is where you should be.
[19:51] <Berteun> okay
[19:52] <sadmac> There should probably be some document to link to about how upstart works. None has materialized though...
[19:53] <Berteun> yeah, i was looking around for that a bit, i found out about the --debug and --verbose parameters
[19:53] <sadmac> Berteun: you should look over all of the manpages that ship with upstart as a starting point. I believe there's one or two that cover the mechanics.
[19:53] <Berteun> okay
[19:54] <Berteun> is it also possible to start upstart if you boot with init=/bin/bash ?
[19:56] <sadmac> Berteun: you'd have to then "exec /sbin/init"
[20:00] <JanC> "man 5 init" gives some info about how upstart works
[20:00] <Berteun> but then it starts all its jobs again it thinks it can do (and it hangs)
[20:01] <JanC> or at least enough to understand the upstart config
[21:06] <Berteun> it appears to be the mountall executable which causes the problems, is that applicable to this channel too?
[21:09] <sadmac> Berteun: technically not, but Keybuk wrote mountall, and afaik this is kind of the defacto place where it gets discussed still
[21:09] <Berteun> okay :)
[21:09] <sadmac> Keybuk: come forth and be pestered
[21:10] <Berteun> I just filed a bug and I'm not demanding it be solved right here and right now, just if some info is missing in the report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/469985
[21:11] <sadmac> Berteun: you should point out in the original bug that it may be related
[21:11] <Berteun> I did that.
[21:11] <sadmac> cool
[21:59] <Berteun> i've got it
[21:59] <Berteun> probably
[22:01] <Keybuk> what did you got?
[22:02] <Berteun> it's an incompatiblity
[22:02] <Berteun> mountall uses pipe2 which is unavailable in 2.6.26
[22:03] <Berteun> which is wrapped in NIH_ZERO( )
[22:03] <Berteun> hence it loops until it is succesful but it won't every be, because it is not there ;)
[22:03] <Keybuk> oh
[22:03] <Keybuk> right
[22:03] <Keybuk> mountall really needs .29 I think
[22:03] <Keybuk> probably even .31
[22:04] <Berteun> so basically ubuntu 9.10 is incompatible with dom0 lenny
[22:05] <Berteun> to make a long story short :)
[22:05] <ion> Wait... The host’s kernel version matters?
[22:06] <Berteun> well not really, but since ubuntu itself does not provide domU xen kernels the obvious choice is to use the debian lenny kernel.
[22:06] <Berteun> which most people do
[22:06] <Berteun> and then it does not work for an not enterily obvious reason
[22:07] <Berteun> debian uses 'xen old style' not the PvOps
[22:07] <JanC> ah, so I'm right it's a kernel feature mismatch somehow ☺
[22:08] <Berteun> Yeah, well, it was a bit of a risk of course to try to run an older kernel, but forward porting xen changes is not really my cup of tea ;)
[22:14] <Berteun> i'll make a note at the bug page, i'm not the only one it seems
[22:38] <dgtl> hi there
[23:29] <Keybuk> oh
[23:29] <Keybuk> I'm evil
[23:29] <Keybuk> ion: my --handover/--takeover stuff works :)
[23:29] <Keybuk> start plymouthd
[23:29] <Keybuk> plymouth --show-splash gives you the DRM/FB animation
[23:29] <Keybuk> when, when about to start X
[23:29] <Keybuk> plymouth --handover
[23:29] <Keybuk> and at the top of the gdm Init
[23:30] <Keybuk> plymouth --takeover
[23:30] <ion> Awesome. :-)
[23:30] <Keybuk> the splash pauses, X inherits the image
[23:30] <Keybuk> then begins animating again in X :)
[23:30] <ion> Would it be possible to skip --handover and have plymouth automatically pause at the last possible moment when it notices X has taken the framebuffer?
[23:32] <Keybuk> I don't think it works that way :)
[23:32] <Keybuk> it isn't using the framebuffer
[23:32] <Keybuk> it's using the DRM/DRI interface
[23:32] <Keybuk> so it's possible it'll lock X out
[23:35] <ion> Ah


[01:03] <jdwwatts> anyone here have advice on how i can backup my office files and erase everything on my hard drive and install the newest xubuntu os
[01:39] <Bashing-om> ^ these drive ny shooters :(
[08:08] <dreamon> hello. upgraded to 20.10. network-manager is crashing. starting it manualy it says → nm: ‚a.out‛: so such file
[08:58] <dreamon> Wenn ich → notify-send "Achtung" "Dies ist eine wichtige Meldung" → dann kommt bleibt der Prozess hängen. Das wird wohl auch dem nm-applet zum Verhängnis.
[08:58] <dreamon> Leider kommt keine Ausgabe. Das Wiki ist auf dem Stand von 16.04, dort komm ich auch nicht weiter.
[10:03] <miu5> hi, PC used to lock screen on blank, Suddenly since yesterday's updates, it doesnt anymore.  I went to Xfce Power Manager and saw under Security, it was "lock when Never".  and i set it as "lock when screensaver is activated".  I close the window and go back, and it had reverted back to Never.  Any idea whats going on?
[10:16] <miu5> omg i am having this exact same problem here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-locker/+bug/1913976
[10:16] <miu5> it resets to Never
[10:16] <miu5> why am i only having this issue now though dont understand
[10:32] <xu-irc49w> hello
[10:33] <xu-irc49w> I want to install xubuntu 20.04 from a samba network disk
[10:33] <xu-irc49w> how can I do that?
[15:09] <diogenes9> hello. A potential security improvement to the way xubuntu is distributed:  wouldn't it be better if the file hashes were maintained on xubuntu.org? Putting them on the same mirror that distributes the ISOs allows any attacker who can modify files on the mirror to also modify the sha hashes.
[15:18] <coconut> !gpg | diogenes9
[16:17] <diogenes9> Ok, got it. Don't use hashes anymore is pretty much the point.
[16:46] <coconut> diogenes9, just get the gpg key from another server
[17:03] <dernazgul> hi
[17:07] <Maik> hi
[17:09] <dernazgul> is my the first time here, so, sorry for the english
[17:09] <Maik> simple
[17:09] <Maik> !ask
[17:09] <dernazgul> does anyone has problems with the wheater widget?
[17:10] <Maik> there have been various reports about the weather applet since yesterday
[17:12] <Maik> !de | dreamon
[17:12] <dernazgul> yes, only shows "no data"
[17:13] <Maik> so others have reported
[17:14] <Maik> look is there's a bug reported filed already, if not file a bug report
[17:14] <Maik> !bug
[17:19] <dernazgul> where i can find the bug report?
[18:06] <Maik> dernazgul: look on launchpad
[18:33] <xenoid> dernazgul: im having the same problems with the weather applet
[18:33] <xenoid> dernazgul: no data
[18:39] <diogenes_> xenoid, afaik it's abandoned.
[18:42] <krytarik> Ok, that's simply not true.. XD
[18:47] <xenoid> diogenes_: I doubt it
[18:48] <xenoid> thats my desktop right now https://imgur.com/h8EHC8v.png
[18:49] <xenoid> with the no data icon instead of the temperature
[19:11] <Pici> .21
[19:23] <Maik> xenoid: did you find a bug report by now or filed one?
[19:36] <xenoid> apparently there is already one opened
[19:41] <dernazgul> Maik ok, thanks man!
[19:42] <dernazgul> @xe
[19:44] <dernazgul> xenoid at the beggining, i thought it was a problem with the api, but it doesn't
[19:46] <xenoid> oh ok dernazgul


[21:50] <Wafficus> hey question for Lubuntu, what's a good multiplexer terminal with color themes, transparency, and good shortcuts?
[21:51] <lyorian> Wafficus: screen or tmux probably and good shortcuts is an opinion
[21:51] <Wafficus> screen or tmux, great!
[21:52] <Wafficus> do they have transparency options?
[21:52] <Wafficus> I would have used terminator but transparency support is spotty nowadays
[21:52] <lyorian> I don't know I don't use transparency
[21:52] <lyorian> on Lubuntu do you have a compositor
[21:53] <lyorian> I personally don't care for one
[21:53] <lyorian> but you need one for transparency
[21:54] <Wafficus> ah compositor
[21:54] <Wafficus> what terminal command lets me install that?


[10:40] <jrick> Tm_T: I was looking a little bit and "Midnight Commander" should be one of the default konq profiles, but Kubuntu striped it out.  Now I have no way to get that console at the bottom. :(
[10:40] <NickPresta> brmassa, that's fine that you're asking, but insisting that Kubuntu is inferior or "unimportant" to the Ubuntu main branch is not wise on a Kubuntu help channel.
[10:40] <Tm_T> jrick: there is some way to remove that "kubuntu modification" but can't remember how it was
[10:41] <Tm_T> jrick: I recommend to do some searching in wiki
[10:41] <brmassa> hahah i just love Kubuntu.  And it says we need to exit x server how to do this?????
[10:43] <NickPresta> kim, restart your X server: Control+Alt+Delete
[10:43] <kim> But it says exit
[10:43] <Tm_T> NickPresta: that doesn't shut it down
[10:43] <kim> right
[10:43] <kim> How to shut down then?
[10:43] <jrick> Tm_T: is that modification just like a package i need to remove or something?  i'm having trouble finding stuff on the kubuntu wiki.
[10:43] <Tm_T> kim: "invoke-rc.d kdm stop" should stop it
[10:44] <Tm_T> jrick: some file to edit/remove
[10:44] <brmassa> one thing i can fix on my personal pc: my monitor (resolution 1440x900) allways has problems on kubuntu. as long the standard xorg doesnt support such resolution, i installed nvidia drivers.. but evey time i boot, my screen gets crazy and shrinks...
[10:44] <kim> tm_t: i spoke to you earlier, when i typed that all went black and i got like a underline thing and nothing else
[10:44] <NickPresta> Tm_T, unless she means she needs to install the drivers from the console, you can restart the server for the same effect. If she needs to install it from the console, then yeah, /etc/init.d/kdm stop.
[10:44] <Admiral_Chicago> kim: sudo shutdown now will shut down the computer
[10:44] <kim> lol
[10:44] <kim> i dont care
[10:44] <Tm_T> NickPresta: exactly
[10:45] <kim> so?
[10:45] <Tm_T> kim: yes, then hit ctrl+alt+F2
[10:45] <kim> sure?
[10:45] <Tm_T> sure
[10:45] <kim> okok
[10:45] <Tm_T> or F3
[10:45] <Tm_T> or F4
[10:45] <NickPresta> Tm_T: I've never had to install my nvidia drivers from the command line. What's wrong with using your package manager and restarting X?
[10:45] <kim> only f3
[10:45] <kim> okok
[10:45] <Tm_T> whatever you like, from F1 to F6
[10:45] <kim> ok
[10:45] <Tm_T> NickPresta: hush
[10:46] <enry> goodnight!
[10:47] <Tm_T> Kood niKht!
[10:47] <NickPresta> Tm_T, it's fine if you don't want to take my advice or answer me. Telling me to 'hush' shows that you have no suitable response. =D
[10:47] <Tm_T> NickPresta: don't have time
[10:47] <jrick> Tm_T: ohh man, i almost thought i had an answer... http://www.kde-forum.org/artikel/14772/Konqueror---cant-save-view-settings-for-individual.html
[10:48] <jrick> too bad it doesn't give me a link to his post.
[10:48] <kim> Tm_T: bbl then
[10:48] <NickPresta> Tm_T, you have enough time to argue with me though. Next time, keeping your comments to yourself would save you more time. ;)
[10:48] <Tm_T> woof
[10:48] <kim> lol
[10:48] <kim> ur uber now
[10:49] <NickPresta> lol
[10:49] <Tm_T> when I say I don't have time, I don't have time
[10:50] <kim> Tm_T:
[10:50] <kim> Stopping K display manager: KDM not runningkill: operation not permitted
[10:50] <kim> action failed
[10:50] <neptunepink> jrick: You can get the konsole button
[10:50] <brmassa> Guys, one thing i can fix on my personal pc: my monitor (resolution 1440x900) allways has problems on kubuntu. as long the standard xorg doesnt support such resolution, i installed nvidia drivers.. but evey time i boot, my screen gets crazy and shrinks...
[10:50] <jrick> neptunepink: what do you mean?
[10:51] <Tm_T> kim: sudo
[10:51] <neptunepink> jrick: right click on the toolbar...
[10:51] <Tm_T> jrick: I'm crawling thru my configurations atm
[10:51] <neptunepink> jrick: configure toolbars...
[10:52] <NickPresta> brmassa, which nvidia drivers and what exactly do you mean your screen "gets crazy"
[10:52] <neptunepink> and then "show terminal emulator" on the list
[10:52] <BluesKaj> brmassa, I think it could be a monitor driver problem ..if you don't have the right linux drivers for your monitor X is prolly seeking the closest workable resolution
[10:52] <jrick> neptunepink: i've added the button, but i would like the console at the bottom, mc style.
[10:52] <neptunepink> hmm, well I get that
[10:53] <neptunepink> perhaps it hides the other frame?
[10:53] <jrick> neptunepink: i'm trying to make konq like mc or krusader because i can't figure out how to make krusader my default file manager.
[10:53] <kim> Tm_T: lol he gets to a black login screen and cant press clrl alt f2 notin happends
[10:53] <brmassa> the monitor is AOC 193FW (Brand new!); driver: nvidia-glx
[10:54] <cWolfe> anyone able to burn a dvd with a file larger than 4gig using genisofs or k3b?
[10:54] <BluesKaj> brmassa, nvidia makes monitor drivers ?
[10:55] <kim> What the hell? It wasent this hard to install drivers last time i used kubuntu feasrt
[10:55] <BluesKaj> cWolfe, update your version of K3B
[10:55] <brmassa> almost everytime i boot, the image gets compressed and uses about half screen only. i have to turn off and turn off couple times to get it working...
[10:55] <brmassa> BlueKaj: nope!
[10:56] <Tm_T> kim: well, he gets into login screen, so log in and run the installer
[10:56] <BluesKaj> brmassa, are you sure your monitor driver isn't just a plug n play default driver?
[10:56] <neptunepink> jrick: you could probably cheat and put alias in .bash_rc
[10:56] <Tm_T> kim: but again, if it's possible, try repository packages
[10:56] <kim> zomg
[10:56] <c13ply> #/j #kubuntu-pl
[10:57] <brmassa> BlueKaj: Wait! i didnt installed a monitor driver. i installed nvidia-glx. which is a video-card driver.
[10:57] <jrick> neptunepink: i have no clue what you are talking about.....
[10:58] <brmassa> on edgy, i tried to edit manually the xorg.conf to added such resolutions. no sucess. on feisty, i only installed nvidia-glx and changed the resolution to 1440x900 (widescreen)
[10:59] <BluesKaj> yes brmassa , i'm talking about your monitor , your screen driver, ..NOT your graphics card driver
[11:00] <Lattyware_> Hey all, having a problem. Kopete doesn't sign in when I tell it to, but gives no errors. Just sits there disconnected
[11:01] <brmassa> BlueKaj: how i can get a monitor driver?
[11:01] <Lattyware_> I have tried restarting kopete, rebooting.
[11:01] <kim> tm_T: well i just got a bunch of blablablablabla kernel error like 3 times...
[11:02] <brmassa> BlueKaj: the curious thing is that if i turn off and on a couple of times, it turns normal again...
[11:02] <BluesKaj> brmassa, look for one with you screen model number in google-linux
[11:02] <BluesKaj> !google
[11:02] <ubotu> Google is a very popular search engine: http://www.google.com  -  Google also has a Linux-specific search engine: http://google.com/linux
[11:02] <kim> tm_T: Ive been using kubuntu for like 3 months, everythings is so hard to install...
[11:02] <Tm_T> kim: hum, you've been unlucky I afraid, what errors exactly?
[11:02] <jrick> Tm_T, neptunepink: maybe i'm just impatiant, but would it be easier just to make krusader the default?
[11:02] <Tm_T> kim: have you reported them?
[11:03] <Tm_T> jrick: sure, but I don't know how
[11:03] <Tm_T> even if I should
[11:03] <jrick> Tm_T: yeah, and google isn't helping.
[11:03] <Tm_T> jrick: krusader help doesnt give any hint?
[11:03] <jrick> not that I can tell.
[11:04] <kim> tm_T: Im to tired to even care... It sayd like, do you wish to downlod kernel something somethning from nvidia.com? i presse dokey and it just popped up a bunch of error error error
[11:04] <kim> tm_t: but it doesent matter
[11:04] <kim> tm_t: Im onyl confused, couse last time i installed i only pressed some buttons and it worked
[11:05] <jrick> Tm_T: krusader is *extremly* nice, and i would *really* not like if I had to use konq as the default instead.
[11:06] <Tm_T> jrick: ya I got that, but, duh, just don't know
[11:06] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: hehe
[11:06] <jrick> Tm_T: k
[11:06] <Tm_T> jrick: try #kde
[11:06] <Lattyware_> Kopete doesn't sign in when I tell it to, but gives no errors. Just sits there disconnected used to work, and connection is fine. Any ideas?
[11:06] <BluesKaj> ok BBL ... got the BBQ on
[11:07] <Tm_T> Lattyware_: run from Konsole to get some output
[11:07] <kim> back
[11:08] <Lattyware_> Tm_T: Ah, works suddenly. Somewhat odd.
[11:08] <kim> How the hell do i exit X server??
[11:08] <Tm_T> kim: I told you
[11:08] <kim> That cant be the only way
[11:08] <Valkar> Hello everyone
[11:08] <kim> I did it another way before
[11:08] <Tm_T> kim: well, every way take it to same point
[11:08] <kim> By just some combination
[11:08] <kim> Ive never been in that black place before
[11:09] <kim> black login thing
[11:09] <Tm_T> well, that's console
[11:09] <Tm_T> and without X it's all you get
[11:09] <kim> lol im too young for kubuntu
[11:10] <kim> After installation fails? how do i get back to this place?
[11:10] <kim> Normal *start x again
[11:10] <Tm_T> hum?
[11:10] <kim> Yes. whem i am in that fullscreen non graphic console..
[11:11] <Tm_T> if you like to restart X, well, it's "sudo invoke-rc.d kdm start" ofcourse ;)
[11:11] <kim> how do i get back here without rebooting?
[11:11] <kim> ok
[11:11] <kim> em ok
[11:11] <Tm_T> stop, start, restart :)
[11:14] <kim> t_mt: Em
[11:14] <kim> t_mt: something lice libc
[11:14] <Tm_T> hum?
[11:15] <kim> t_mt: something developer linc is not installed on your system or something its fucking hard to remember
[11:15] <Tm_T> oki
[11:15] <Tm_T> that doesn't make much sense though
[11:15] <kim> t_mt: it asked me to install dome developer stuff... man its dificult
[11:16] <kim> Cant i see the output now?
[11:16] <kim> so that i can copy?
[11:16] <Tm_T> kim: not really, unless you hit alt+ctrl+f1 and look it, then alt+ctrl+F7 to get back to desktop
[11:17] <cWolfe> k3b 1.0.2 from getdeb wont let me put a file larger than 4 gig on a cd either
[11:18] <Jack3> why would any cd fit a 4gig file?
[11:18] <Alex---> Hello does Real Player 10 works on AMD x86_64 ?
[11:18] <kim> okey, linux is off my and my mates hd
[11:19] <Tm_T> kim: yup, it's different
[11:19] <kim> cant even finish step one installing drivers lol -.-
[11:19] <Tm_T> kim: well, how long have you used Linux?
[11:20] <kim> 3 months... I got veeery much help in the begining but now the guy act like an asshle when i did a reinstall couse i needed windows for gameing
[11:20] <Tm_T> awww
[11:20] <kim> So now
[11:20] <BluesKaj> cWolfe, getdeb ?
[11:20] <kim> im back at square one
[11:20] <Tm_T> kim: oh well, in time you'll learn (:
[11:20] <kim> With no drivers and a mate from holland that donno nothing
[11:21] <kim> lol omg
[11:21] <Tm_T> but I have to go now, good luck with it (;
[11:21] <kim> hehe
[11:21] <Admiral_Chicago> kim: did you check out the nvidia link for drivers
[11:21] <Admiral_Chicago> !nvidia
[11:21] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:22] <kim> i went to website and follow instructions but it told me to restart x and there is where it went wrong
[11:22] <Admiral_Chicago> thats the way to install it, i've never had an issues
[11:24] <Alex---> Can anybody help with RealPlayer 10 ? I've got "Some required libraries seem to be missing from your system" (GTK+ 2.0 (libgtk-x11-2.0.so and others)....
[11:25] <Admiral_Chicago> Alex---: where did you get realplayer from
[11:25] <mike> Greets, everyone...
[11:26] <Alex---> Admiral: from http://www.real.com/linux
[11:26] <mike> I'm installing Kubuntu on a system that has two internal hard drives, and I just had a quick question about the partitions...
[11:26] <Admiral_Chicago> Alex---: get it from the repositories, are you on Fiesty?
[11:26] <aroo> mike: ask
[11:26] <Alex---> Admiral: yes
[11:27] <Alex---> Admiral: which repositories? My adept manager does not list it!
[11:28] <mike> I'm wanting to have hdb set as one partition mounted at /home, half of hda mounted at /, and the other half of hda mounted at /home as well (with the appropriate amount of hda set aside as swap). Is this possible, or will having two partitions mounted to the same location cause problems?
[11:28] <mike> So hda would have 3 partitions
[11:29] <CliffJumper> ls
[11:29] <Admiral_Chicago> !repo
[11:29] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[11:29] <Alex---> mike: it will. you can have only one mount point per partition. If you want to join two partition must use LVM or raid. But is not that simple!
[11:29] <Admiral_Chicago> Alex---: you want to use the canonical repositories
[11:30] <waylandbill> mike: you can mount /home and then mount another partition as a directory under /home.
[11:30] <Alex---> Admiral: no problem with it. just to have real player installed
[11:31] <mike> Alex---: Thanks. Would mounting the extra space from hda to something like /media/extra be practical, and then just chown -R mike:mike /media/extra ?
[11:31] <mike> waylandbill: Oh ok. Sounds like that'll be my best bet. Thanks a lot
[11:32] <Alex---> mike: that is good. you can also mount it like /home/mike/extra if you prefer
[11:32] <waylandbill> mike: I wouldn't mount stuff that's mike's under /media. That's really for automounting removable media. Mounting a seperate partition under /home/mike/extra_data is a good example.
[11:33] <mike> K, sounds good.
[11:33] <Alex---> Admiral: how can I setup canonical repository I guess I already have them. If I choose manage repository, kubunto software, I have everything checked.
[11:34] <Admiral_Chicago>  /mnt is for removable media. /media is for long term mounts
[11:34] <kristi> Fresh install of Ubuntu Feisty... Amarok keeps crashing every time I try to play an mp3 file... any ideas?
[11:34] <waylandbill> Admiral_Chicago: if I stick in a memory stick, it mounts to /media rather than /mnt.
[11:34] <mike> Now that begs the question: Is there a way to make all that stuff I have in /home/mike/extra appear to just be in /home/mike, aside from manually making shortcuts for all of its contents?
[11:34] <theotick> !macromedia
[11:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about macromedia - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:35] <Admiral_Chicago> kristi: you need to install libxine-extracodecs
[11:35] <waylandbill> mike, have an issue with clicking into a subdirectory? I wouldn't worry about it if it's only one click away.
[11:35] <kristi> Admiral_Chicago: Usually it gave the option to do it automatically... Amarok has never crashed before like this.
[11:36] <Admiral_Chicago> yea there have been issues with the amarok script hanging
[11:36] <Admiral_Chicago> i've seen the bug reports
[11:36] <mike> waylandbill: Right, but then I'd have all my stuff in two seperate locations (i.e., /home/mike/Music + /home/mike/extra/Music, /home/mike/Pictures/ + /home/mike/extra/Pictures)
[11:37] <kristi> Admiral_Chicago: Well, installing that did it.
[11:38] <mike> Agh, nevermind. I'll figure something out.
[11:38] <mike> Thanks a lot, waylandbill, Alex--- :-)
[11:39] <waylandbill> mike: or you can symlink a /home/mike/extra/Music as /home/mike/Music/extra. :-)
[11:39] <mike> Doh... Should've thought of that myself. Heh
[11:39] <mike> Thanks again. Peace out
[11:40] <mike> Actually, one other quick question while I'm here... heh
[11:40] <mike> Does anyone know if the Savage drivers support hardware acceleration?
[11:41] <mike> I've got an oooold S3 Savage 4
[11:41] <Admiral_Chicago> probably not
[11:41] <waylandbill> most likely not
[11:41] <mike> K, thanks. Peace
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> hi all
[11:45] <animimotus> hello
[11:45] <animimotus> I can find the rehash command
[11:46] <animimotus> * can't
[11:46] <Alex---> Admiral: I do not undestand the point about canonical repository.... I pasted my apt sources.list here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27183/
[11:47] <Alex---> Sic Admiral Chicago left..... I repeat for anybody wishing to help
[11:48] <Alex---> I do not undestand the point about canonical repository.... I pasted my apt sources.list here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/27183/
[11:48] <Alex---> I guess I have all repository enabled. But I cannot find Real player
[11:49] <waylandbill> Alex---: it's not in the official repos.
[11:49] <waylandbill> try the wiki: http://help.ubuntu.com
[11:49] <waylandbill> I think you can search for the way to install there.
[11:50] <Alex---> ok I guess I checked... I do it once more. :)
[11:50] <ActionParsnip> Alex---: you tried http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24331
[11:51] <Guilty_as_Sin> try the one from the realplayer website, that is what I had to do
[11:53] <Alex---> no I have not. I'll try dpkg.... I tried from http://www.real.com/linux but I get an error about libraies. I guess is due to my AMD x86_64 ???
[11:53] <waylandbill> It's been years... maybe a decade since I've seen any real player content I'd want to watch. Lots of stuff is flash driven now.
[11:54] <Alex---> :)
[11:54] <waylandbill> Alex---: I'm not sure there is 64 bit support for that.
[11:54] <Guilty_as_Sin> yeah but some of that content "is years old"
[11:54] <ActionParsnip> Alex---: watch 64 bit stuff cos most codecs are 32bit
[11:55] <Guilty_as_Sin> at least for me it is
[11:55] <Alex---> yes, I have some problems....
[11:55] <Guilty_as_Sin> not my favorite media player by far
[11:56] <cWolfe> dvd i meant
[11:56] <Alex---> for example with vmware workstation.... it did not work then I installed ia32-libs, I do'nt know magic, but worked...
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> im on an AM2 semperon 3000 and i run 32bit OS, waitiing until 64 takes off then WHAM
[11:57] <matthias> hi
[11:57] <matthias> i'm looking
[11:57] <matthias> for a video converter for my kubuntu
[11:57] <Alex---> do you think http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24331 you reccomended is ok for 64 bits?
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> matthias: converter from what to what?
[11:58] <matthias> avi (divx) to (mpeg2) or (psp)
[11:59] <matthias> but i need a gui and i have to really configure it good
[11:59] <ActionParsnip> matthias: have you tried mencoder?
[11:59] <matthias> matthias: yes and i have to say i can't configure it right
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> matthias: then learn how, its getting some good writeups from what i can see
[12:00] <matthias> actionparsnip: i can use it but i need to convert a 100 mb avi file to a 29 mb mpeg file
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> matthias: http://www.emulinks.de/divx/
[12:00] <matthias> actionparsnip: and mencode can't let me configure this
[12:00] <waylandbill> matthias: you have a requirement of the output size?
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> matthias: then you are going to be stripping quality
[12:01] <ActionParsnip> losing 2/3rds of size
[12:02] <waylandbill> lossy compression assumes quality loss, but never heard a requirement of a specific output size. usually it
[12:02] <waylandbill> 's just 'smaller' :-)
[12:03] <matthias> actionparsnip: its just for a psp device
[12:03] <ActionParsnip> matthias: buy a bigger memory card :)
[12:03] <matthias> actionparsnip; the screen resolution and stuff are much smaller then the resolution of the video
[12:04] <ActionParsnip> does a psp scale the image ?
[12:04] <matthias> actionparsnip: i'm going to do that, but I'm looking if my linux box could do this
[12:04] <BluesKaj> avi isn't the greatest quality video as it is , compressing to less than 1/3rd is going be awful
[12:04] <ActionParsnip> should be able to
[12:05] <matthias> but im going to convert from avi to mpeg
[12:05] <BluesKaj> trying to copy it to a old usb key no doubt
[12:06] <waylandbill> I just use meconder. It does good with my ipod video.
[12:06] <Alex---> sudo dpkg -i realplay_10.0.2-1_i386.deb .............did not work (quite generic error)
[12:06] <BluesKaj> or tovid
[12:06] <waylandbill> you don't really need need a gui. you figure the parameters you need and make a shell script to execute the command.
[12:07] <waylandbill> Alex---: i386 != x86_64
[12:07] <semistud2354> does anyone know how to connect to a remote desktop...if your not on the same network
[12:07] <semistud2354> i tryed openssh
[12:07] <semistud2354> and ssh
[12:07] <BluesKaj> Alex---, don't sudo just copy the filename to the terminal and type./ in front
[12:07] <semistud2354> and fish
[12:08] <semistud2354> anyone have any ideas
[12:08] <GrahamA> semistud2354: The ports are open yes?
[12:08] <semistud2354> how do you check
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> matthias: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mencoder_Introduction_Guide
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> matthias: looks pretty sweet to me
[12:08] <GrahamA> If you can connect, then it's open :)
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Alex---,  ./realplay_10.0.2-1_i386.deb
[12:08] <GrahamA> Is this other network a network you're in charge of?
[12:08] <waylandbill> Alex---: your problem is going to be that Real hasn't build a 64 bit package... proprietary format from a company that targets 32 bit..
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> matthias: if you specify bitrate as something stupidly low it should be ok but the result is gonna be horrendous
[12:09] <semistud2354> yea
[12:09] <semistud2354> its my momz network
[12:09] <semistud2354> i keep it workin
[12:09] <GrahamA> mom's
[12:09] <semistud2354> just need to know how i can work on her comp
[12:09] <semistud2354> from my house
[12:10] <semistud2354> im not like trying to hack a friend or anything
[12:10] <waylandbill> semistud2354: if you're going over the internet and are on the other side of a router, you may need to forward the port(s).
[12:10] <GrahamA> Anyway, make sure the router (I assume you have a router) has the ssh port open and forwarded to the machine you wanrt to connect to.
[12:10] <semistud2354> i turned off dchp
[12:10] <semistud2354> or on
[12:10] <semistud2354> i forget
[12:10] <Alex---> ok. now I see i386 != x86_64 (waylandbill is right).
[12:10] <GrahamA> DHCP is nothing to do with it.
[12:11] <semistud2354> you wouldnt happn to know the ip for a belkin
[12:11] <GrahamA> semistud2354: I know nothing about your network, those sort of things are network specific.
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> semistud2354: you have the ip of the machine on your network (probably something like <IP_ADDRESS>)
[12:11] <waylandbill> semistud2354: you need to forward the port from the WAN device to the LAN device. If you don't know what I mean, you need to learn that.
[12:11] <Alex---> I hoped some something.... does not matter I'll find something else..... or renounce for now. thank you all!
[12:11] <GrahamA> Belkin is a brand of networking gear, it doesn't have an IP.
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> semistud2354: your router has a WAN IP that is assigned to you by your provider (something like <IP_ADDRESS>)
[12:12] <semistud2354> on the a websight it tells of a number 192.168.?.??? and you put that in your address bar..and it connects to the router
[12:12] <matthias> can i use avi file in kino?
[12:12] <semistud2354> i just dont know what that number is
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> semistud2354: now if you will be external to your network so you wil use the WAN ip, but which computer does the connection hgo to
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> semistud2354: if you just have 1 IP??
[12:13] <semistud2354> thats how i turnd off dchp
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> semistud2354: ANSWER: you forward the port to the relevant PC using a rule
[12:13] <waylandbill> semistud2354: 192.168.x.x is only from on the LAN. you can't use that on the net (WAN)
[12:13] <semistud2354> o...for now im hooked up to my network
[12:13] <semistud2354> its when i go home
[12:13] <ActionParsnip> semistud2354: so connections to <IP_ADDRESS>:22 get pushed to <IP_ADDRESS>:22
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> semistud2354: and the connection is formed
[12:14] <waylandbill> semistud2354: and the answer is to forward from the WAN address to the desired LAN address. You'll need to consult your router's documentation to do that.
[12:14] <semistud2354> o
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> semistud2354: if you gooogle for virtual server or port forwarding you should get something
[12:14] <waylandbill> obviously, the port to forward is 22. :-D
[12:15] <XVampireX> Hi?
[12:15] <GrahamA> XVampireX: Sup
[12:15] <GrahamA> Though that's not a question but... meh...
[12:16] <XVampireX> Hehe


[00:13] <mhall119> sergiusens: I just picked the webbrowser-app from the "default applications" settings
[00:13] <mhall119> not sure what you're asking about with containers
[00:35] <sergiusens> mhall119 I was talking about launching an app with its own desktop file using webapp-container (like the twitter click)
[00:35] <sergiusens> mhall119 thanks for the former
[00:36] <mhall119> sergiusens: ah, haven't tried that yet
[01:04] <ogra_> sergiusens, you mean running them in parallel ? that works fine
[01:05] <ogra_> sergiusens, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/slack-webapp_0.1_all.deb ... take a look at that
[01:06] <ogra_> (oh, i even made a branch ... easier to inspect https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/+junk/slack-webapp)
[04:44] <lotuspsychje> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/meizu-pro-5-ubuntu-edition-video-review
[04:57] <ycerd> I have received an 8.8MB update `Ubuntu Version: 12' on my MX4. After downloading, it says `Installation failed'. What is wrong?
[05:00] <ycerd> Here's the output from `sudo system-image-cli -vv`: http://paste.ubuntu.com/15941462/
[07:10] <nhaines> mpt: a little off topic, but I need to poke someone about a merge proposal to lp:example-content.  Do you have any idea who might be good to talk to?
[07:13] <mpt> nhaines, I don窶冲 sorry. The maintainer listed in Launchpad hasn窶冲 worked on Ubuntu for about seven years afaik.
[07:14] <nhaines> Hm.  And my plan to harass dholbach fails because he's not online.  :)
[07:14] <mpt> Maybe see if dholbach can appoint a new maintainer?
[07:14] <mpt> ah
[07:15] <nhaines> Or maybe Sebastian Bacher, but I'm not sure of his nick.
[07:16] <nhaines> I think it's seb128 but my memorie's bad on that kind of thing!
[07:23] <nhaines> mpt: anyway, thanks for the quick response.  :)
[07:32] <RAOF> nhaines: You are correct; seb128 is the winning nick!
[07:35] <nhaines> RAOF: great!  I've been staring at my screen for some 11 hours now,so it's all getting a little fuzzy.  ;)
[08:06] <lotuspsychje> good morning sil2100
[08:06] <sil2100> lotuspsychje: morning!
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> excited for xenial launch? :p
[08:07] <sil2100> In a way, yes ;)
[08:13] <knightwise> is that today ?
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> knightwise: tomorrow
[08:13] <lotuspsychje> !xenial | knightwise
[08:13] <ubot5`> knightwise: Ubuntu 16.04 (Xenial Xerus) will be the 24th release of Ubuntu. It is due to be released on April 21st. Discussion in #ubuntu+1 Await the release in #ubuntu-release-party
[08:14] <knightwise> lotuspsychje: looking forward to the next LTS ,
[08:14] <knightwise> running 1404 on my dell xps
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> knightwise: great, will you upgrade or wait until .1?
[08:15] <knightwise> will wait to .1
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> ok
[08:15] <knightwise> I'm taking my buntu machine to work so .. it HAS to be reliable
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> i understand
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> im helping testing bugs, so already running daily on all machines :p
[08:17] <davmor2> dobey: because it keeps getting broken in new and interesting ways
[11:06] <OrokuSaki> Damn it. I got curious.. I booted into a rootfs from a custom ramdisk to boot into .stowaways/ubuntu with a ramdisk from ArchLinux.. Then got hybris initialized like sailfish, then added some patches into cm11, and I get ION errors.. Then I tried recompiling ubuntu hybris to include the hybris LD path for the sailfish compiled android libs.. ION error.. I tried compiling mer libhybris... that doesn't work with your mir hwcom
[11:06] <OrokuSaki> You guys need a caf branch, that is supported by canonical... I tried these 2 dudes caf branches, but they didn't work.. and I dont think those projects cover a lot of devices
[11:08] <dpm> pitti, sil2100, is there a way to get a list of the languages (i.e. language packs) we preinstall on our phone images?
[11:08] <sil2100> dpm: yes, in the seed (or just taking the list from the manifest)
[11:08] <pitti> dpm: the images should have a manifest
[11:08] <sil2100> dpm: let me fetch you that quickly
[11:08] <OrokuSaki> gedit "build/core/main.mk add this to were the other device entires are: device/hp \ " if I had my vendor/hp and device/hp entries to that file... then it tries to build more hardware modules ie sensor.tenderloin.so and etc, but bombs on graphics
[11:09] <pitti> or do they
[11:09] <pitti> I don't see it on e. g. http://system-image.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en/krillin/
[11:09] <OrokuSaki> I also tried taking the ubuntu folder from phablet and tossing it into cm11 and compiling the compat folder....
[11:09] <sil2100> pitti: it's not on system-image
[11:09] <sil2100> pitti: it's on cdimage, I have a script for easily fetching those
[11:09] <OrokuSaki> I just came into hear to say..  Except for ogra... Tadaow!
[11:12] <sil2100> Or use lp:landing-team-tools get-image-manifest helper script
[11:12] <ogra_> lol
[11:13] <ogra_> whats a caf device ?
[11:14] <sil2100> Not sure, I thought you'd know - being the only one that doesn't suck!
[11:14] <sil2100> ;)
[11:16] <dpm> pitti, do you happen to remember if there is a CLI tool that returns language names from ISO codes?
[11:17] <pitti> dpm: not a CLI tool, but simple enough to get from /usr/share/xml/iso-codes/iso_639.xml or /usr/share/xml/iso-codes/iso_639_3.xml
[11:17] <dpm> thanks pitti. I seemed to remember there was a tool that read those, but perhaps I was mistaken
[11:18] <pitti> dpm: we use that to generate http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-langpack/langpack-o-matic/main/view/head:/maps/languages and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-langpack/langpack-o-matic/main/view/head:/maps/countries which might be simpler to look at /grep
[11:18] <dpm> thanks
[13:15] <dobey> davmor2: the calendar does, you mean?
[13:19] <davmor2> dobey: no the age of the emulator
[13:20] <dobey> oh
[13:20] <davmor2> dobey: Emulator keeps getting broken in new an interesting ways, everytime someone fixes it someone else breaks it
[13:21]  * dobey blames mir
[13:21] <dobey> must be mir's fault right? :P
[13:24] <davmor2> dobey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/phablet-tools/+bug/1565685
[13:24] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 1565685 in Canonical System Image "Ubuntu-emulator: Crash in new welcome wizard / browser" [Critical,Confirmed]
[13:25] <ogra_> davmor2, did you notice that searching for packages on phone/tablet suddenly started showing snap packages ?
[13:26] <davmor2> ogra_: no but I haven't searched recently
[13:26] <ogra_> search for "filemanager" .... shows me an upnp-server snap
[13:27] <davmor2> ogra_: search for ubuntu-core and I see webdm-app
[13:28] <dobey> huh really?
[13:28] <davmor2> ogra_: confirmed upnp-server-armhf when searching for filemanager
[13:28]  * davmor2 blames JamesTait
[13:29] <ogra_> yeah, all his fault
[13:29] <davmor2> oh wait it ogra_ snap that is showing it's all ogra_ 's fault
[13:30] <dobey> hmm, canonical-pi2 is in there too
[13:30] <JamesTait> ogra_, suddenly as in when?
[13:31] <ogra_> JamesTait, dunno ... i installed my other tablet 10 days ago or so ... when i searched for filemanager there i definitely didnt have the upnp-server snap as return value
[13:31] <dobey> the Erle stuff too
[13:32] <JamesTait> ogra_, when did you first notice?  Just now?
[13:32] <ogra_> yes, just setting up my new tablet
[13:33] <JamesTait> Ack, and reproduced on my phone.
[13:34] <JamesTait> Approximately 14 minutes ago we switched CPI to an upgraded environment, which is why I'm pointedly trying to narrow down the timeframe.
[13:35] <JamesTait> We've also had several code rollouts over the last week.
[13:37] <davmor2> JamesTait: it doesn't help that nothing on this page screams Snap app over Click app by the look of it other than the info part so you wouldn't notice it unless you are the dev of the snap app
[13:38] <JamesTait> davmor2, that should never be an issue, because those apps should never even appear on a phone. :-/
[13:38] <davmor2> JamesTait: Indeed but you broke it so now it does :P
[13:39] <JamesTait> Well... we might have broken it before, but nobody noticed.
[13:40] <davmor2> ogra_: told you it was JamesTait fault though didn't I, it has nothing to do with me always blaming JamesTait for store stuff at all you understand ;)
[13:43] <mardy> mzanetti: the 1 line change that made the Ubuntu phone kick ass: https://code.launchpad.net/~mzanetti/unity8/rotate-dash/+merge/292377
[13:44] <ogra_> mardy, doesnt that break sidestage handling ?
[13:44] <mzanetti> lol
[13:44] <mzanetti> no, it doesn't
[13:45] <ogra_> ah, i thought that was the reason it was held back for so long
[13:45]  * ogra_ uses that hack since ages :P
[13:46] <popey> haha, excellent mardy :)
[14:44] <JamesTait> ogra_, did you unpublish that upnp snap, perchance?
[14:44] <ogra_> JamesTait, not that i remember
[14:45] <JamesTait> Just I'm not seeing it when I search for filemanager on my krillin now.
[14:53] <davmor2> JamesTait: confirmed I don't see it now, I wonder ogra_ did you update it to 16?
[14:54] <JamesTait> Heisenbugs!
[14:54] <tsdgeos> sil2100: Mirv: who would be the best person to backport lttng-ust from xenial to vivid overlay?
[14:55] <tsdgeos> sil2100: Mirv: i just compiled 2.7.1 on the phone without issues and it fixes the deadlocking problem i have with the vivid version
[15:00] <ogra_> davmor2, nope, didnt
[15:50] <realtribe> hi
[15:51] <realtribe> i need a help to install ubuntu touch on nexus 7
[15:51] <lotuspsychje> realtribe: whats going on mate
[15:54] <realtribe> so..i tryed to install ubuntu touch but when i write "ubuntu-device-flash --channel=devel --bootstrap" it answer flag error..
[15:54] <realtribe> what i can do?
[15:55] <ogra_> call ubuntu-device-flash with the proper command ?
[15:55] <ogra_> and also never ever use the devel channel :)
[15:55] <ogra_> its dead beef, not for bein used by anyone
[15:55] <ogra_> (teh right command is "ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel= ....."
[15:56] <ogra_> )
[15:57] <realtribe> ookey now i try...but what is the complete command?
[16:00] <realtribe> ookey i tryed but it aswer :"lorco@lorco-desktop:~$ ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu  2016/04/20 17:59:23 Expecting the device to expose an adb interface... device cannot be detected over adb"
[16:00] <ubot5`> Error: Ubuntu bug 2016 could not be found
[16:01] <ogra_> boot to recovery and make sure "adb devices" sees it
[16:02] <realtribe> yes it aswer lorco@lorco-desktop:~$ adb devices List of devices attached  015d4b33e5380213	sideload
[16:02] <realtribe> but don't work..
[16:07] <realtribe> sideload? it's right?
[16:09] <realtribe> lorco@lorco-desktop:~$ ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu --bootstrap 2016/04/20 18:08:49 Expecting the device to be in the bootloader... waiting 2016/04/20 18:08:50 Device is |grouper| Device grouper not found on server https://system-image.ubuntu.com channel ubuntu-touch/stable/ubuntu
[16:09] <realtribe> and now?
[16:09] <realtribe> please help me
[16:11] <sebsebseb> ok so
[16:11] <sebsebseb> I got my Ubuntu tablet came today :)
[16:11] <sebsebseb> and I knew  that meant to apparatly use a bluetooth mouse and keyboard with it
[16:11] <sebsebseb> read plenty of stuff saying that
[16:11] <sebsebseb> etc etc
[16:11] <sebsebseb> ,but yes I don't have  those currently
[16:11] <sebsebseb> and so can't erally type on it
[16:12] <ogra_> why not ?
[16:12] <sebsebseb> only time the touch screen keyboard came up was to set up the wireless password
[16:12] <ogra_> the OSK works fine on mine
[16:12] <sebsebseb> and it comes up to unlock it as well that's it
[16:12] <sebsebseb> it's  the HD version as well
[16:12] <ogra_> same here
[16:12] <sebsebseb> ogra_: oh how come you got the HD rather than FHD?
[16:12] <ogra_> err, i got the FHD, sorry
[16:13] <sebsebseb> I can move around   instead of the cursour on the touh screne, but I really can't type
[16:13] <ogra_> anyway, the image should behave exactly the same (since it is the same rootfs)
[16:13] <sebsebseb> ogra_: yeah I'll probably buy the FHD at a later date, when got more moeny as well :d
[16:13] <sebsebseb> have both versions :d, but for now nope
[16:13] <sebsebseb> I know very similar
[16:13] <ogra_> so if you tap in a search field anywhere in the UI or in the browser url bar there is no keyboard coming up ?
[16:13] <sebsebseb> yep from what I have seen
[16:14] <sebsebseb> I have tried gedit I have tried
[16:14] <sebsebseb> browsers I have tred...
[16:14] <sebsebseb> nothing
[16:14] <ogra_> gedit wont work
[16:14] <ogra_> none of the X apps will be hooked up to the OSK
[16:14] <ogra_> use the native apps
[16:15] <sebsebseb> oh ok that explains it
[16:15] <sebsebseb> I think
[16:15] <sebsebseb> ok comes up in the default brwoser
[16:15] <ogra_> (neither gedit, libreoffice, firefox, gimp or xchat will have OSK)
[16:15] <realtribe> help help help..please..i loockig for channel for grouper version..
[16:15] <ogra_> realtribe, grouper ?!?
[16:15] <ogra_> realtribe, thats not supported since two years or so
[16:15] <ogra_> was dropped long ago ... use android ...
[16:16] <sebsebseb> ogra_: so it's for Firefox and thigns like that, that need the bluetooth keyboard?
[16:18] <sebsebseb> ogra_: any recomendations on bluetoothe mous eand keyboard
[16:18] <sebsebseb> I been looking at amazon
[16:18] <sebsebseb>  etc
[16:18] <sebsebseb> if I order something in the next hour and a half or so I would even have by tommorwo I Think
[16:18] <sebsebseb> with one day delivery option
[16:20] <realtribe> what i can use like same grouper?
[16:22] <popey> sebsebseb: logitech k480
[16:23] <ogra_> sebsebseb, i have a k480 from logitech
[16:23] <ogra_> its a bit clunky ... but thanks to the slot at the top yu can actually use the whole set like a laptop
[16:25] <ogra_> sebsebseb, mediamarkt sells them in germany ... in case you dont want to wait for delivery ;)
[16:25] <realtribe> what i can use like same grouper
[16:25] <lotuspsychje> ogra_: for real?
[16:25] <realtribe> please help me..
[16:26] <ogra_> lotuspsychje, yes, they are real k480 keyboards
[16:26] <lotuspsychje> cool
[16:26] <ogra_> :)
[16:27] <ogra_> realtribe, you mean another tablet ?
[16:27] <ogra_> the flo works ... the deb seems to have a community supported image
[16:28] <ogra_> or you could order a bq M10 ...
[16:28] <sebsebseb> popey: ogra_ ok good my o2g device is working  just tried a keyboard like that a normal USB one
[16:29] <ogra_> yeah., that works too
[16:29] <popey> super
[16:29] <sebsebseb> popey: yeah that's the lilke recommended bluetooth at the moment, but seems expensive,  plus it's not laminated
[16:30] <realtribe> ogra  i need to fix this tablet..how i can do?
[16:30] <sebsebseb> ogra_: I could order something on amzon and get tommorow I think if do it in he next hour or so
[16:31] <ogra_> realtribe, install android
[16:31] <sebsebseb> ogra_: popey what's a good see in the dark as well bluetooth keyboard, I don't think the k480 has that feature
[16:31]  * ogra_ doesnt know
[16:31] <sebsebseb> seems linksys got another one that is for like 60 pounds though
[16:32] <sebsebseb> and that's just the keyboard
[16:32] <sebsebseb> or there are cheapewr makes on amazon even
[16:32] <popey> no idea
[16:33] <sebsebseb> popey: ogra_ What's so good about the k480 really what makes it so great, why's it so hyped up? other than being from september 2015 so new
[16:33] <sebsebseb> same for the recommended mouse I guess, but not as much
[16:33] <ogra_> it has that slot at the top
[16:33] <sebsebseb> which slot?
[16:33] <ogra_> there is a slot at the top where you can put the tablet in so it behaves like a laptop
[16:33]  * Mirv votes for buying a shell account for IRCing to tsdgeos
[16:33] <ogra_> just a kind-of stand
[16:34] <sebsebseb> oh?
[16:34] <Mirv> hard to answer, and I won't remember it tomorrow
[16:34] <sebsebseb> but I saw some other keyboard on amazon with a free stand with it for a lot cheaper as well
[16:34] <sebsebseb> ogra_: k480 doesn't have backlit though?
[16:34] <ogra_> try to use a free stand with the thing on your lap when sitting on a sofa :)
[16:34] <sebsebseb> apparnatly backlist keyboards are meant to be so good, and I don't  have one
[16:35] <sebsebseb> ogra_: with he thing Ubuntu tablet?
[16:35] <ogra_> the whole thing ... kbd and tablet
[16:35] <sebsebseb> I am kind of up for buying two blue tooth keyboards with reason
[16:35] <popey> I have had an illuminated keyboard
[16:35] <sebsebseb> same for mouses
[16:35] <popey> They're overrated
[16:35] <dobey> hmm
[16:35] <sebsebseb> maybe a like k480 and  then something illuminated
[16:35] <ogra_> popey, totalyl not !
[16:35] <popey> i dont tend to use my computers in the dark, underground
[16:36] <popey> also, I tend to know where the keys are :)
[16:36]  * ogra_ doesnt want to miss his backlit kbds ... but for the tablet i found the builting stand/slot thing more important
[16:36] <ogra_> *builtin
[16:37] <sebsebseb> even on this lap top I can type in the dark, I am atouch typist to, but  would be nice at times to see someo f the keys actsaully
[16:37]  * sebsebseb is a vampire likes the dark
[16:37]  * sebsebseb must feed on popey as a victum
[16:37] <sebsebseb> Canonical geek blood tastes better than normal humans apparnatly h eh
[16:38] <sebsebseb> ogra_: you think a good stand is better for tablet?
[16:38] <sebsebseb> that's something else I am not sure about standds etc
[16:39] <ogra_> sebsebseb, i like to use the tablet with keyboard like a laptop ... i.e. on my lap ... with no desk around
[16:39] <sebsebseb> ogra_: what stand would you recommend for the Ubuntu tablet?
[16:39] <sebsebseb> ideally on amazon since I might buy something in the next hour or so from there
[16:39] <sebsebseb> for the tablet/s
[16:39] <ogra_> dunno, anything that keeps it upright i guess :)
[16:39] <ogra_> i dont have that prob since i have that logitech kbd
[16:39] <ogra_> dont need an extra stand
[16:40] <sebsebseb> ogra_: would this be worth buying, or is it so cheap for a reason: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bluetooth-Keyboard-Wireless-Backlit-Android/dp/B00ZBN6JSI/ref=sr_1_50?ie=UTF8&qid=1461083421&sr=8-50&keywords=bluetooth+backlit+keyboard
[16:40] <davmor2> sebsebseb: I would personally get the logitech bt keyboard it has a slot for phone/tablet in it the it functions like a laptop
[16:40] <genii> I have a nice clear acrylic stand that works great and was like $5 at Walmart
[16:40] <sebsebseb> davmor2: the m480 you mean?
[16:41]  * ogra_ guesses he means the k480
[16:41] <sebsebseb> yep the k480 I meant
[16:41] <davmor2> k480
[16:41] <sebsebseb> davmor2: so it has some kind of stand as part of that for tablets and phones?
[16:41] <ogra_> it has the slot at the top
[16:41] <ogra_> you plug the tablet in and it stands like a laptop lid
[16:41] <davmor2> sebsebseb: http://www.johnlewis.com/logitech-k480-multi-device-bluetooth-keyboard/p1803195?sku=234130711&kpid=234130711&s_kenid=8749aa3c-f8a8-4a46-9ab0-c626db0ddf20&s_kwcid=402x354964&tmad=c&tmcampid=73
[16:42] <sebsebseb> I know it seems meant to buy the k480 really,  but I kind of want a lamanted one to,  so maybe I'll buy a seperate lamanted one as well. such as the one I linked to?
[16:42] <ogra_> that yellow thing at the top is a slightly angled slot where you can put the tablet in
[16:42] <sebsebseb> davmor2: yeah there's some kind of bundle on amazon for  the grey one
[16:42] <ogra_> in the end any BT keyboard will do
[16:43]  * ogra_ used an old logitech di-novo in the beginning before he had the k480
[16:43] <sebsebseb> oh so that's for putting tablet in ok
[16:43] <sebsebseb> what about the mouse?
[16:43] <ogra_> scroll the picture gallery down a bit
[16:43] <sebsebseb> and hold on be right back or back soon
[16:43] <ogra_> there are pics with a phone sitting in the slot so you get an impression
[16:44] <davmor2> sebsebseb: or just watch the video on my link
[16:56] <bhdouglass> Hey, beuno or jamestait or whoever can help me out here. uApp Explorer is getting inconsistent results from the click store api, is something wrong with the api? For example, this page: https://search.apps.ubuntu.com/api/v1/search?page=6&size=500 usually gives me a full page of results, but occasionally when refreshing it, it will be empty.
[16:56] <beuno> bhdouglass, hi!
[16:57] <beuno> we deployed a big update to that service today
[16:57] <beuno> so this is interesting
[16:57] <beuno> bhdouglass, we'll look into that and get back to you
[16:58] <bhdouglass> Prefect, thank you! uApp Explorer has been adding and removing apps today, the users have started to notice! :)
[16:58] <ogra_> "deployed and upgrade" is the new "we broke the world" :)
[16:59] <ogra_> (this is the store people followint the snappy team here ... )
[16:59] <ogra_> **following
[16:59] <davmor2> ogra_: then stop deploying and upgrading now wonder the world is so broken
[17:00] <ogra_> where would be the fun in that
[17:00] <ogra_> also ... if we dont break everything every second update, how the heck would the sentence "snappy will fix that" still work
[17:00] <realtribe> ubuntu
[17:01] <ogra_> ubuntu !
[17:01] <davmor2> 蘒ｿ\o/蘒ｿ ubuntu 蘒ｿ\o/蘒ｿ
[17:16] <sebsebseb> davmor2: oh ok I see,  it can fit more than one in it even
[17:17] <sebsebseb> davmor2: looks like it's that amazon bundle offer or something then
[17:26] <sebsebseb> ogra_: what does x386 in this one mean? https://www.amazon.co.uk/TeckNet-Illuminated-Ultra-Slim-Li-polymer-Rechargeable/dp/B00YNKO7F2/ref=pd_bxgy_147_img_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=JSDCG468GB031W9RCMSQ
[17:26] <sebsebseb> popey: ^^^
[17:28] <popey> sebsebseb: model number?
[17:30] <sebsebseb> popey: there are a few options
[17:30] <sebsebseb> popey: I think it's to do with size
[17:30] <sebsebseb> look on the page
[17:31] <popey> it's the model number
[17:31] <popey> http://www.tecknet.co.uk/x366.html
[17:32] <sebsebseb> popey: it sas like ipaid air and pro and such on there to on amazon
[17:32] <sebsebseb> and then the prices are differnet to
[17:32] <popey> i know
[17:32] <sebsebseb> what does it really mean then?  that the other one is better for a ipad pro etc?
[17:33] <popey> click them and you will see
[17:33] <popey> the different models fit various apple devices
[17:33] <sebsebseb> popey: oh is that one only really for Apple devices?
[17:35] <wesleymason> bhdouglass: if you see any more issues with the search API you can also ping me
[17:36] <bhdouglass> thanks wesleymason!
[18:06] <beuno> bhdouglass, it should be fixed
[18:06] <beuno> let us know if not
[18:06] <bhdouglass> thanks beuno, I'll check it out! Out of my own curiosity, what was the problem?
[18:07] <beuno> bhdouglass, here's too much information
[18:07] <beuno> 4 < wes> nessita: beuno: one of the app servers on every 4th or 5th hit was returning an empty result and then squid was caching it...I've killed the cache and restarted gunicorn which has stopped it occuring but pulling the
[18:07] <beuno>              logs down to figure out *why*
[18:08] <bhdouglass> weird!
[18:09] <bhdouglass> It seems to be fine now, I'll have uApp Explorer re-import everything, apologies for the increased traffic!
[18:43] <wesleymason> bhdouglass: bring it on, it's all good testing :):
[18:43] <bhdouglass> challenge accepted!
[18:45] <wesleymason> https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7abB06u9bNzA8lu8/giphy.gif
[19:32] <cliftonts> Evening everyone. My emulator saga continues. I've got them booting now but it doesn't matter what channel I choose only one of them actually allows me to unlock the phone, the others don't respond to my mouse.
[19:33] <cliftonts> The one that does respond doesn't show up as booted in the SDK so I can't set the framework for it.
[19:34] <cliftonts> So what am I doing wrong?
[19:47] <Chuck-> is phablet-dev-bootstrap still the goto way to get the ubuntu-touch source for building? The manifest for repo doesn't seem to have been updated in quite some time
[19:52] <dobey> cliftonts: which channlel is the one that did boot?
[19:53] <cliftonts> UbuntuSDK i386
[19:54] <cliftonts> But for whatever reason it has that kit but the SDK doesn't recognise it has booted.
[19:54] <dobey> cliftonts: no, that's not the channel
[19:54] <dobey> cliftonts: stable, rc-proposed, etc are channels
[19:54] <cliftonts> No, but I have no idea how to discover the channel now
[19:54] <dobey> cliftonts: run "system-image-cli -i" inside the emulator
[19:55] <cliftonts> I don't understand. How do I run that inside the emulator? Install terminal?
[19:55] <dobey> cliftonts: yes, or using phablet-shell or adb shell to connect to the emulator
[19:56] <cliftonts> I can't do that if the SDK thinks it hasn't booted can I?
[19:57] <dobey> i don't really know anything about what the sdk requires to connect to the emulator
[19:57] <cliftonts> ok
[19:57] <cliftonts> Hmm, the terminal won't install.
[19:57] <dobey> if running "adb devices" shows the emulator in the list, you can connect to it
[19:58] <dobey> you did enable developer mode inside the emulator itself, right?
[19:58] <cliftonts> Ok, but I've never done that outside of the sdk. No idea of the commands.
[19:58] <dobey> i don't know if it's enabled or not
[19:58] <cliftonts> Not yet, no. I've been focussed on trying to get one to boot properly.
[19:59] <dobey> well, if it's not in developer mode, i don't think the sdk will see it
[19:59] <cliftonts> Aah, perhaps some come with it enabled as default then.
[19:59] <dobey> i don't know
[20:00] <dobey> i know you can't use the current stable image with the sdk, because it's far too old
[20:00] <cliftonts> Bingo, it's recognised now.
[20:01] <cliftonts> adb shell opens up saying vivid vervet (development branch)
[20:02] <dobey> ok
[20:02] <cliftonts> channel ubuntu-touch/vivid
[20:02] <dobey> that channel seems wrong, but eh
[20:03] <cliftonts> But it's working. That's the easy bit done. The next challenge is to compile an app I'll be taking over. I suspect I will be in for repeated headaches but I need that learning curve.
[20:08] <cliftonts> Funny thing is I was told that rc-proposed had the mouse fix in it to allow me to unlock. But that's not working.
[20:19] <cliftonts> How would I go about doing an update via command line? Can I just apt-get upgrade or is there a different method on touch?
[22:46] <Chuck-> ls
[22:56] <AuroraAvenue> Chuck, right on man, right on !
[23:38] <Chuck-> Atleast i didnt pasted my middle click buffer again three times :)


[17:40] <harmw> smoser: ready for new release?
[17:40] <smoser> :)
[17:40] <smoser> dont' you avhe something else to do on friday night then bother me
[17:40] <harmw> forgive me for asking so often, I'm just eager to submit that fbsd port
[17:40] <harmw> hehe
[17:44] <smoser> you are completely justified there, harmw
[18:02]  * hiren_ likes harmw's persistence ;-)
[18:02] <harmw> lol
[18:02] <harmw> yea
[18:45] <harlowja> damn i must of missed an important conversation, lol
[18:45] <harmw> dont you always
[18:45] <harlowja> i think so :-P
[18:46] <harlowja_> of course right when i say that my thunderbolt crap cable comes undone, lol
[18:46] <harlowja_> thats what i don't like about the cable, it doesn't hold itself in, lol
[18:46] <harlowja_> stupid apple
[18:47] <harmw> :p
[19:03] <harmw> harlowja_: how sucky  is the Y! cloud?
[19:03] <harlowja_> lol
[19:04] <harlowja_> define sucky
[19:04] <harlowja_> lol
[19:04] <harlowja_> define parameters to be sucky
[19:04] <harlowja_> haha
[19:04] <harmw> hiren_'s having a hard time getting cirros up and running
[19:04] <harlowja_> hmmm, not sure, haven't heard what he's doing
[19:04] <hiren_> harlowja_: in our internal n/w
[19:04] <harlowja_> well shouldn't be that hard, idk how well cirros supports config drive
[19:04] <harlowja_> if it don't support config drive, then it may not work :-P
[19:05] <harmw> isn't there a normal metadataservice?
[19:05] <harlowja_> nope
[19:06] <harlowja_> just config-drive (until we revist that debate)
[19:06] <harlowja_> our security team didn't want a channel from VM -> controller layer
[19:06] <harmw> jeez
[19:06] <hiren_>  http://dpaste.com/184H91R
[19:06] <harlowja_> and metadata service is one such channel
[19:06] <harmw> wankers
[19:06] <harlowja_> ya, i tried fighting that, i gave up
[19:07] <JayF> Doing a metadata service in a secure and multitenant way is not an easy task :)
[19:07] <harlowja_> config-drive is nice and read-only, no two way channel...
[19:07] <JayF> putting an ISO partition on a VM/disk is super easy :)
[19:07] <harmw> so true
[19:07] <harlowja_> right, thats partially why its very attractive for security scaredfolks
[19:07] <JayF> harlowja_: actually, you can put ConfigDrives in vfat according to the spec
[19:07] <harlowja_> ya, vfat, iso9660
[19:07] <JayF> harlowja_: so it doesn't have to be r/o... although we implement it as an iso9660
[19:07] <harlowja_> right
[19:07] <harlowja_> well r/w it will still be a local thing
[19:08] <harlowja_> r/o is just more of an optimization
[19:08] <harlowja_> so hiren_ the following seems odd
[19:08] <harlowja_> cp: write error: No space left on device
[19:08] <harlowja_> cp: write error: No space left on device
[19:08] <harlowja_> cp: write error: No space left on device
[19:08] <harlowja_> cp: write error: No space left on device
[19:08] <harlowja_> failed to copy results from configdrive to /run/cirros/datasource
[19:08] <harlowja_> :-/
[19:08] <harlowja_> that would seem to be an issue, lol
[19:08] <hiren_> heh yeah
[19:08] <harmw> :)
[19:09] <hiren_> brb.
[19:09] <harmw> harlowja_: there is dhcp or did they skip that as well?
[19:09] <harlowja_> not for vms
[19:10] <harlowja_> for the existing way baremetal is deployed, it uses dhcp
[19:10] <harlowja_> and pxeboot
[19:10] <harmw> so they must get their config from configdrive, right?
[19:10] <harlowja_> yes
[19:10] <harmw> hmk
[19:11] <harmw> interesting
[19:11]  * harlowja_ we'll move over to ironic which afaik has a similar dhcp, pxeboot, ipmi as the thing we already have (people are shifting from that team to ironic)
[19:11] <harlowja_> JayF will get a bunch of new iroinc friends (besides rloo)
[19:11] <harlowja_> soon enough, ha
[19:11] <harmw> :P
[19:11] <JayF> You guys going to use ipa?
[19:11] <harmw> ipa?
[19:11] <harlowja_> unsure
[19:12] <harlowja_> JayF probably, although i'm not that in touch with all that stuff, haha
[19:12] <harmw> whats ipa :)
[19:12] <JayF> ironic-python-agent
[19:12] <harmw> ah
[19:12] <JayF> the newest, sexiest deploy driver for ironic
[19:12] <JayF> :P
[19:12] <harmw> lol k
[19:12] <harmw> i'm still clueless when it comes to ironic :p
[19:12]  * harlowja_ mostly me too, ha
[19:12] <harlowja_> can't be everywhere :-P
[19:13] <harmw> :p
[19:13] <harlowja_> y! will likely have to figure out a different mechanism than config-drive for ironic stuff though, something like maybe what JayF and folks have done (writing the config-drive on the main disk)
[19:13] <harlowja_> attaching a cd isn't gonna work, lol
[19:14] <harlowja_> or maybe we'll revisit that whole networking metadata webservice debate
[19:14] <harmw> :)
[19:14] <JayF> Dude, we already have it handled
[19:14] <harlowja_> even better, ha
[19:14] <harmw> smoser: did that configdrive change for fbsd got merged yet? from raginbajin?
[19:15] <smoser> i dont think so.
[19:15] <smoser> there was some work to still dothere.
[19:15] <JayF> harlowja_: Yeah, I am not sure if it's fully upstreamed, but it works entirely and we'll help you get it working if you need :)
[19:15] <harmw> hm ok,
[19:15] <JayF> harlowja_: nova is the one who generates teh configdrive... it just gets passed through ironic, to the agent, into the drive
[19:15] <harmw> well I need it to test with configdrive, since Y! apparently requires/uses that
[19:15] <harlowja_> JayF ya, that seems nutty :-P
[19:15] <JayF> harlowja_: we just create a small partition at the end of the disk, and write it out
[19:15] <harlowja_> to much passing of crap around, lol
[19:15] <JayF> harlowja_: that's the Openstack Way(tm)
[19:15] <harlowja_> :(
[19:16] <smoser> for ocnfig-drive on bare metal...
[19:16] <JayF> harlowja_: in our original implementation, the agent built the iso :(
[19:16] <harlowja_> JayF why doesn't nova just pass the data that is the config-drive to ironic
[19:16] <harlowja_> seems saner
[19:16] <smoser> my opinion is that long term, nova (or deployer, whatever) has to be *very* stupid.
[19:16] <harlowja_> then passing a binary disk
[19:16] <smoser> and just dd stuff to the first disk
[19:16] <smoser> and then look for a partition on that disk named "config-drive" or re-use the EFI partition or something
[19:16] <smoser> and write the data in there.
[19:17] <smoser> in that way, the image is smart
[19:17] <JayF> harlowja_: because Nova is used to just writing it out itself
[19:17] <smoser> and tine installer is dumb
[19:17] <harlowja_> sux
[19:17] <smoser> and you have a standard.
[19:17] <JayF> smoser: that's pretty similar to what ipa does
[19:17] <harlowja_> nova's like an old grandpa or something, lol
[19:17] <smoser> sort of similar.
[19:17] <smoser> but ipa (i think) has to know how to "make it boot". ?
[19:17] <JayF> smoser: puts an image on a disk, looks for a partition labelled 'config-2', if it exists, we dd the configdrive into that partition, if not, we create it at the end of the disk
[19:17] <JayF> smoser: the bootloader is entirely in the image
[19:17] <smoser> it dd the disk ?
[19:18] <JayF> yeah
[19:18] <smoser> including the partition table ?
[19:18] <JayF> let me link you the code
[19:18] <JayF> yeahhh
[19:18] <smoser> nice.
[19:18] <JayF> now we'll have to support the partition-images eventually
[19:18] <smoser> yeah, that is theo nly way you can actually accomplish secureboot
[19:18] <JayF> bceause --preserve-ephemeral (hate)
[19:18] <smoser> meh
[19:18] <smoser> partition images dont have to be supported.
[19:18] <JayF> but I would not use it :)
[19:18] <JayF> smoser: tell that to Devananda, hahaha
[19:18] <smoser> its just not scalable.
[19:19] <smoser> it means that the installer has to know information about the things its installing
[19:19] <JayF> smoser: https://github.com/openstack/ironic-python-agent/blob/master/ironic_python_agent/shell/write_image.sh + https://github.com/openstack/ironic-python-agent/blob/master/ironic_python_agent/shell/copy_configdrive_to_disk.sh
[19:19] <smoser> --preserve-ephemeral could just be "i write as many blocks as are in the image. no more , no less"
[19:20] <smoser> you want presevation of data then keep the thing i'm writing small.
[19:20] <JayF> I'm not sure I agree, but I also hate the same feature you hate which is funny
[19:20] <harlowja_> haters gonna hate
[19:20] <smoser> where is /tmp ?
[19:20] <smoser> is that dis ?
[19:20] <JayF> smoser: that code runs from inside the ramdisk agent
[19:20] <smoser> and why do you "erase mbr from device?"
[19:21] <smoser> so qemu-img convert -O raw $IMAGEFILE /tmp
[19:21] <JayF> puts it into the disk :)
[19:21] <JayF> er, into ram
[19:21] <smoser> means that you have enough ram to contain the entire contents of the disk?
[19:21] <JayF> yeah, right now
[19:21] <JayF> we want to make that stream eventually
[19:21] <smoser> good thing most people have way more ram than disk space
[19:21] <smoser> oh wait
[19:21] <smoser> :)
[19:21] <JayF> heh
[19:21] <JayF> in this case? every server it's running on
[19:21] <JayF> has at least as much disk as ram
[19:22] <JayF> in 2/3 cases it's less disk than ram
[19:22] <JayF> (for the OnMetal case specifically)
[19:22] <smoser> curtin reads tar file extracts to stdout | dd of=/dev/foo
[19:22] <JayF> yeah qemu-convert doesn't output to stdout
[19:22] <JayF> if it did I would've done something like that
[19:22] <smoser> well, you dont have to support a silly format :)
[19:22] <JayF> someone is working on vhd support, which I think that whole bucket of things will get refactored
[19:22] <smoser> (and i fully realize i tell everyone they have to support qcow2)
[19:23] <JayF> It is what it is man :) We're making it better, but it works now, and it works pretty reliably
[19:23] <JayF> I have trouble finding too much fault with working software :P
[19:23] <smoser> yeah.
[19:23] <smoser> oh.
[19:23] <smoser> fyi, qemu-img convert -O raw http://foo.bar/my-image /dev/sda
[19:24] <smoser> that requires seek support in the http server
[19:24] <smoser> but works otherwise.
[19:24] <JayF> while this is a shitty answer for purposes of open source
[19:24] <JayF> when we implemented it, we found it was much faster do convert, then dd
[19:24] <JayF> because we could set dd options that made imaging on our satadoms much faster
[19:24] <smoser> yeah. realistically you need to just fix the image format
[19:24] <smoser> why did you get an image format in qcow2?
[19:24] <harlowja_> O raw http://foo.bar/my-image /dev/sda would be neat if nova hosted the image
[19:24] <JayF> this was when this  was still teeth-agent not ironic-python-agent yet
[19:24] <smoser> that doesn't make any sense.
[19:25] <harlowja_> or ironic/nova
[19:25] <JayF> smoser: I don't know man :) that was a long time ago
[19:25] <JayF> harlowja_: right now we only support images from swift temp urls
[19:25] <JayF> harlowja_: so it's already a direct download
[19:25] <harlowja_> cool
[19:25] <smoser> so the easiest solution is to fix the producer of the images to create something that streams.
[19:25] <harlowja_> except for non-swift users, haha
[19:25] <JayF> Well yeah man, we made it work for our case
[19:25] <JayF> and now the gaps get filled in as ironic gets more upstream support
[19:25] <harlowja_> wfm
[19:26] <JayF> the agent has support for probably a half dozen things that won't land until k
[19:26] <harlowja_> sounds like openstack
[19:26] <harlowja_> lol
[19:28] <harlowja_> reminds me gotta get my plane tickets
[19:28] <harlowja_> smoser u going to paris?
[19:29]  * JayF will be in paris
[19:29] <JayF> we should have a cloud-init design thinger one evening
[19:29] <harlowja_> sure
[19:29] <smoser> i will.
[19:29] <smoser> we should.
[19:30] <smoser> i was wanting to say we shoudl have a hack fest or somethign.
[19:30] <JayF> I mean, my brain will be mush, almost certainly
[19:30] <harlowja_> i'm up for either
[19:32] <harlowja_> we can have pow wow
[19:33] <harmw> Paris is first week of november, right?
[19:33] <smoser> yeah.
[19:33] <harmw> sad that's not an option though
[19:33] <smoser> i go from paris (openstack) to re:invent (aws)
[19:33] <harmw> cool
[19:33] <smoser> harmw, :-(
[19:33] <harmw> yea well, it's my first week at $newjob
[19:34] <harmw> so not wise to jump in plane instead of meating $newppl :P
[19:34] <harlowja_> meat them
[19:34] <harlowja_> haha
[19:34] <harlowja_> those meatbags
[19:34] <harmw> lol
[19:34] <harmw> damn
[19:34] <harlowja_> :)
[19:34] <harmw> thats probably the most lame typo ever
[20:09] <harmw> nice, Jenkins finaly archived my 3 shiny cirros images


[12:08] <xnox> ogra_: the panda issues were all fixed in X and we are expecting to release both desktop & server panda just fine next week, correct?
[12:08] <ogra_> yeah
[12:08] <xnox> ack.
[12:08] <ogra_> unsupported ... but we'll release
[12:10] <xnox> ogra_: as usual.... if somebody drop-ships golden bricks to your backyard, hell yeah it will be supported =)
[12:10] <ogra_> we will not touch the kernel (not even rerbuild it) nor will we touch the xserver driver
[12:10] <ogra_> even if there are bugs ... as long as they are not fatal
[12:11] <ogra_> kernel and xorg driver are as is from quantal
[18:11] <shadeslayer> hrw: hi, I'm trying to get the Nexus 10 with ubuntu as the main OS up, however my kernel+initrd combo seems kaput, ogra_ suggested I ask you for the chromebook kernel, since both the devices have the same board, I might be able to boot the chromebook kernel
[18:12] <ogra_> note that the display stiff will most likely differ though
[18:12] <shadeslayer> right
[18:12] <ogra_> since the chromebook has a differnt display and no touchscreen
[18:12] <shadeslayer> I can diff the .config maybe
[18:14] <shadeslayer> ogra_: do you have the kernel config for the chromebook?
[18:15] <ogra_> nope
[18:16] <shadeslayer> mmmm
[18:16] <ogra_> no /proc/config.gz here
[18:16] <shadeslayer> heh
[18:16] <ogra_> the package will surely have it
[18:16] <shadeslayer> yeah, /proc/config.gz is disabled
[18:16] <ogra_> but i think hrw already called it a day ...
[18:16] <shadeslayer> :D
[18:24] <hrw> shadeslayer: linux-chromebook package has /boot/config-* file
[18:25]  * hrw off
[18:25] <shadeslayer> thanks :)


[08:02] <ev> lifeless: hi
[08:04] <lifeless> ev: wondering about 2 things
[08:04] <lifeless> ev: the crash dump discussion, and how horrible my patch was
[08:41] <cjwatson> ev: wubi> looks basically fine; could you (a) rename the hook to ubuntu_binary_build-wubildr.sh, which I think fits better into the naming scheme (b) make sure that the live-build patch is forwarded as a Debian bug report?
[08:41] <cjwatson> lifeless: sorry, not quite got round to it yet ... BTW do you have a GNU copyright assignment on file?
[08:43] <ev> cjwatson: sure
[08:44] <soren> Isn't bzr a GNU project these days?
[08:44] <ev> now to figure out how to wire this into cdimage.  Dug through the code a bit last night, but not being able run it on my local system will make this somewhat delicate.
[08:44] <ev> lifeless: what were you wondering about the crash dump discussion?
[08:45] <lifeless> cjwatson: yes
[08:46] <lifeless> cjwatson: (I have a GNU assignment from years ago, libtool, binutils, smalltalk)
[08:46] <lifeless> cjwatson: I haven't done one for work@canonical, but this was pretty personal :)
[08:47] <lifeless> soren: it is a GNU project, but it doesn't use the FSF assignment atm
[08:47] <soren> lifeless: Oh, ok.
[08:48] <lifeless> ev: is the project resourced? who will be hacking on it? what help can I give them?
[08:48] <cjwatson> lifeless: would that assignment cover a patch to grub?
[08:48] <cjwatson> ev: *cough* I never bother running cdimage locally :-)
[08:49] <lifeless> cjwatson: I don't know
[08:50] <ev> lifeless: I have a work item to create a job profile for an engineer to hack on it from the foundations team.  Matthew has written up the initial design specification: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CrashTracker
[08:51] <lifeless> ev: I'll look at that this weekish and offer feedback if I have any
[08:51] <ev> lifeless: brilliant, that would be much appreciated
[08:51] <ev> thanks
[08:51] <ev> cjwatson: :)
[08:52] <lifeless> cjwatson: if it doesn't cover one, I'm certainly happy to sign another assignment etc
[09:16] <ev> cjwatson: oh, there was one thing I wanted to ask you.  Do you feel that lzma'ing of the ext3 disk imagine and wubildr belongs more in live-build or lp:ubuntu-cdimage?
[09:20] <cjwatson> not sure I hugely care - putting it in live-build might involve adding a new option to lb config, which is more work and more coordination with Debian, but might be easier for users
[09:21] <cjwatson> e.g. if we want live-build's iso building mode to ultimately work for this case, it'll need to go in lb anyway
[09:21] <cjwatson> but I don't mind that much
[09:27] <ev> I'm not sure I follow how this relates to the iso building mode?  Would people want to generate an ISO of just the Ubuntu base image along with wubildr?
[09:33] <cjwatson> who knows
[09:33] <cjwatson> but ok, I guess it wouldn't be that common, this is mainly non-iso
[09:33] <cjwatson> so I guess I don't care, do whatever's easiest
[09:34] <ev> yay, my favorite answer
[10:34]  * ev tries to remember the magic runes to check if a livefs buildd is up to date
[10:34] <ogra_> ev, check the logs ?
[10:34] <ogra_> it used to print the versions at the top
[10:35] <ev> I mean the version of livecd-rootfs and live-build
[10:35] <ogra_> yes, it used to print that at the top of the log
[10:35] <ev> ah
[10:35] <ogra_> but i just checked, seems thats gone with live-build
[10:36] <cjwatson> feel free to fix (probably in livecd-rootfs/live-build/auto/build)
[10:36] <ogra_> if your upload is published to the archive it should auto-update the builder on startup though (at least it did in the past, i hope that dindnt change as well)
[10:37] <cjwatson> the livefs buildds are dist-upgraded before starting
[10:37] <ogra_> good
[10:37] <ev> ah awesome
[10:37] <ev> thanks
[10:37] <cjwatson> see BuildLiveCD, which does this
[10:37] <ev> will do, thanks
[11:51] <cjwatson> ev: could you take bug 806349?  looks like it should be straightforward
[11:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 806349 in ubiquity "OEM Install fails with - KeyError: "The cache has no package named 'python2.6-minimal'" - without network connection." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/806349
[11:51] <cjwatson> hm, actually, that's not fair, it's my code :)
[11:57] <CIA-37> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4768 trunk/ (debian/changelog scripts/plugininstall.py):
[11:57] <CIA-37> ubiquity: Handle the case where one of the packages returned by 'pyversions -s' or
[11:57] <CIA-37> ubiquity: 'py3versions -s' is not installed (LP: #806349).
[12:30] <ev> heh, would've grabbed it but was out at lunch
[12:30] <CIA-37> installation-guide: cjwatson * r494 ubuntu/ (build/entities/common.ent debian/changelog): Bump kernelversion to 3.0.
[12:32] <CIA-37> installation-guide: cjwatson * r495 ubuntu/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Remove some 2.6 kernel specifics.
[12:32] <CIA-37> installation-guide: cjwatson * r496 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog en/welcome/what-is-ubuntu.xml): Bump GNOME version to 3.0.
[12:33] <CIA-37> installation-guide: cjwatson * r497 ubuntu/ (build/entities/common.ent debian/changelog): Bump release version and names for Oneiric.
[14:01] <cjwatson> ev: where have you been committing your livecd-rootfs changes to?  I just got an archive reject after committing to lp:livecd-rootfs and uploading.
[14:01] <ev> oh bum
[14:01] <ev> I didn't realize it was in version control
[14:01] <ev> should've checked
[14:01] <ev> I'll merge them in now
[14:02] <davmor2> ev: I redirect you to my twitter reply to your I'm cowboying the livecd-rootfs system
[14:02] <cjwatson> thanks.  I think the Vcs-Bzr field is correct
[14:03] <ev> it is, and I even have a local copy
[14:03] <ev> I just completely forgot about its existence :-/
[16:35] <ev> cjwatson: so I see that BuildLiveCD dist-upgrades the chroot before running live-build, but how does one notify the buildds to update their copy of livecd-rootfs to get the latest BuildLiveCD?
[16:35] <ev> is this just done in a cron job or is it a "bug lamont" thing
[17:02] <cjwatson> ev: the latter, via an RT ticket
[17:03] <cjwatson> I try to avoid changing BuildLiveCD unnecessarily, but sometimes it's needed
[17:03] <ev> it was seemingly necessary here, but noted
[17:03] <ev> given that this requires the RT runaround
[17:03] <ev> would you mind just reviewing the small change I made to it in trunk?
[17:04] <ev> just to make sure that's the interface you're happy with
[17:07] <cjwatson> seems fine


[23:00] <menn0> thumper: tiny fix that took half a day to debug: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5488/
[23:01] <menn0> thumper: adding the QA steps that were done now
[23:01]  * thumper looks
[23:02] <veebers> menn0: Follow on from Friday, I have the migration test with a user done. I'm still seeing the error message "ERROR cmd supercommand.go:458 empty target password not valid" when the migrate command fails
[23:03] <menn0> veebers: let me try and replicate
[23:03] <veebers> menn0: coolio
[23:11] <thumper> menn0, wallyworld: where I am right now isn't conducive to hangouts
[23:12] <wallyworld> ok
[23:12] <thumper> wallyworld: report for standup: landed migrating storage pools, landed color tabwriter with list-connections as example, working on migrating storage constraints
[23:13] <wallyworld> rightio
[23:13] <thumper> veebers: once the storage constraints has landed, we should be good for a CI test for model with storage
[23:13] <wallyworld> at least i won't have to lsiten to your gloating about the rugby
[23:13] <thumper> heh
[23:13] <thumper> I so enjoyed watching that game
[23:13] <wallyworld> yeah, was awesome
[23:13] <anastasiamac> thumper: is ur location conductive to reviews? I'd love to get a stamp on http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5489/ :D
[23:13]  * thumper looks
[23:14] <anastasiamac> \o/
[23:14] <veebers> thumper: ok, will poke later for further details
[23:14] <thumper> anastasiamac: does that work on windows>
[23:14] <thumper> ?
[23:14] <thumper> anastasiamac: what about ppc64le
[23:14] <thumper> ?
[23:14] <anastasiamac> thumper: the bug is not related to windows :D and I do not have windows machine.. will have to rely on CI
[23:14] <thumper> don't think ec2 supports that
[23:15] <anastasiamac> thumper: the call is made to utils/arch/hostArch - whatever it supports, the test will support too
[23:15] <anastasiamac> thumper: i cannot fix the whoole world \o/
[23:15] <thumper> ok
[23:31] <axw> anastasiamac: please see my reply, your change smells very coincidental
[23:33] <mwhudson> can someone review https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/6031#issuecomment-241203007 pls?
[23:41] <thumper> mwhudson: done
[23:58] <menn0> axw: regarding bug 1569632
[23:58] <mup> Bug #1569632: status: decide on statuses for migration <juju-core:Triaged by menno.smits> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1569632>
[23:59] <menn0> axw: is there still something to do there?