[05:11] <Kilos> hi Squirm and others
[05:11] <Squirm> hi
[05:12] <Kilos> so hows you 12.04?
[05:12] <Kilos> youre
[05:12] <Squirm> I can't get alsa working :(
[05:12] <Kilos> oh my here it worked on its own
[05:13] <Squirm> I never installed it like you did
[05:13] <Kilos> oh
[05:13] <Kilos> why not
[05:13] <Squirm> cause I don't like kde/gnome/lxde
[05:14] <Squirm> mate is ok, but went for what I had before
[05:14] <Kilos> what are you using
[05:14] <Squirm> my [c looks and feels exactly the same as it did before, only now it runs Ubuntu as is a bit more updated
[05:14] <Squirm> s/[c/pc
[05:14] <Kilos> what is that
[05:15] <Kilos> so no pulse either
[05:15] <Squirm> I'll show you a screenshot this evening
[05:15] <Squirm> well, can't get either to work
[05:15] <Kilos> some of the pulse stuff must be installed or no sound works
[05:16] <Squirm> everything is being picked up by alsa, right sound card, right model, etc. just nothing coming out of speakers
[05:16] <Kilos> ok ill look tonight what it looks like
[05:16] <Kilos> not a mute button you missed
[05:17] <Squirm> I've quadruple checked for that. but can't seem to find one
[05:18] <Kilos> eish
[05:18] <Squirm> chat in a bit, going to breakfast
[05:18] <Squirm> I'm late, as usual
[05:18] <Kilos> you not near the pc now hey?
[05:18] <Kilos> lol
[05:18] <Squirm> I'm on it, but walking out the door
[05:19] <Kilos> ok later
[05:40] <magespawn> morning all
[05:40] <Kilos> hey magespawn
[05:40] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[05:41] <magespawn> i see Squirm  has sound problems
[05:41] <Kilos> yeah
[05:41] <Kilos> maybe hes doing like ian and got the speakers in the wrong hole
[05:41] <magespawn> lol
[05:42] <Kilos> hehe he spent days on it
[05:42] <magespawn> does happen, check the most obvious things first. is there petrol in the tank?
[05:43] <Kilos> lol ya
[05:46] <Squirm> meh
[05:46] <magespawn> you know how a problem with ubuntu/linux is flash and flash websites?
[05:46] <Squirm> I was playing music before I formatted. So everything was working up to that point
[05:46] <magespawn> well i can't get it to work on that other os either
[05:46] <Squirm> checked everything isn't muted many times(always could have missed something)
[05:47] <magespawn> mmm Squirm  so something has changed then.
[05:47] <Kilos> gstreamer plugins for alsa maybe
[05:47] <Squirm> have gstreamer-alsa, gstreamer-ugly/bad/good
[05:47] <Kilos> sjoe
[05:50] <Kilos> sudo modprobe speakers
[05:50] <Kilos> hehe
[05:51] <magespawn> when you play sound do you get the levels showing in software?
[05:53] <Kilos> and alsamixergui
[05:55] <Kilos> maybe install vlc and see if sound works
[05:55] <Kilos> hows things there magespawn
[05:56] <magespawn> good doing a online course
[05:57] <Kilos> on what?
[05:57] <magespawn> a+ then n+ then MCITP
[05:57] <Kilos> sjoe
[05:58] <magespawn> more grunt work than anything else
[06:01] <magespawn> i have found some links for you Squirm
[06:02] <Squirm> I have tried many of those
[06:02] <Squirm> thanks though, I'll have a look through
[06:02] <Squirm> $ sudo aplay -l
[06:02] <Squirm> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[06:02] <Squirm> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC662 rev1 Analog [ALC662 rev1 Analog]
[06:02] <Squirm>   Subdevices: 1/1
[06:02] <Squirm>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[06:02] <Squirm> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: ALC662 rev1 Digital [ALC662 rev1 Digital]
[06:02] <Squirm>   Subdevices: 1/1
[06:02] <Squirm>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[06:02] <Squirm> sorry for the paste
[06:02] <magespawn> http://askubuntu.com/questions/135778/no-sound-on-ubuntu-12-04
[06:03] <Squirm> my card is being picked up
[06:03] <magespawn> http://askubuntu.com/questions/132577/no-sound-in-ubuntu-12-04
[06:04] <magespawn> http://www.unixmen.com/2012003-howto-resolve-nosound-problem-on-ubuntu/
[06:04] <magespawn> these all seem to deal with coerrect hardware but with software settings and problems.
[06:04] <magespawn> correct even
[06:05] <Squirm> thanks
[06:06] <Squirm> not in front of my pc at the mo to test
[06:06] <Squirm> will test it at lunch
[06:06] <magespawn> hey np, easy for me to search, no worries
[06:08] <magespawn> if one helps let us know.
[06:09] <Squirm> I shall
[06:09] <Squirm> well, you'll know if it hasn't worked
[06:16] <magespawn> i suppose we would, lol
[06:32] <Kilos> morning maiatoday
[06:35] <superfly> good evening folks
[06:35] <maiatoday> hi all
[06:35] <Kilos> hi sup`
[06:35] <Kilos> eish
[06:35] <Kilos> superfly,
[06:35] <magespawn> hey superfly, maiatoday
[06:38] <nuvolari> svn FTL :(
[06:39] <nuvolari> server acting up today for no reason
[06:39] <nuvolari> svn ls operation takes 9 seconds on the local network...
[06:39] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[06:45] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos :)
[06:45] <nuvolari> gaan dit goed vanoggend?
[06:45] <Kilos> ja dankie en jy?
[07:01] <nuvolari> ja oom, dit gaan goed, nuwe dag :)
[07:04] <superfly> Squirm: I know this sounds silly, but just make double sure you have your speakers plugged into the right socket. It's usually the light green socket
[07:17] <jrgns> can't say how many times i though my sound wasn't working, where it was either muted or plugged into the wrong socket...
[07:35] <Kilos> hi jrgns morgs
[07:35] <jrgns> morning Kilos
[07:35] <Kilos> i go sort sheep
[07:35] <morgs> morning
[07:35] <jrgns> sounds interesting
[07:43] <superfly> heya morgs
[07:45] <morgs> hi superfly
[07:45] <superfly> how's things, morgs?
[08:07] <Kilos> hi aquarat
[08:07] <aquarat> lol
[08:07] <aquarat> hi Kilos
[08:08] <aquarat> howzit going ?
[08:08] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[08:08] <aquarat> good :)
[08:08] <aquarat> I'm trying to get mdadm going on a raspberry pi
[08:09] <aquarat> but after running into some obstacles I figure perhaps LVM is a better route
[08:09] <aquarat> (and the USB bottlenecks)
[08:09] <Kilos> haha there are some raspberry guys here
[08:09] <aquarat> I'm sure
[08:09] <aquarat> :P
[08:09] <aquarat> anyone who's run ubuntu will be fairly at home using a pi
[08:10] <aquarat> well, minus unity
[08:10] <Kilos> lol
[08:10] <aquarat> which would probably run nicely on a pi
[08:10] <aquarat> do people talk about Unity or is it like religion ?
[08:10] <aquarat> lol
[08:11] <magespawn> there was a discussion going on in the list
[08:11] <Kilos> some guys hate it and have swopped to other flavours
[08:11] <aquarat> k
[08:11] <tonberryE352> unity on a pi?
[08:12] <Kilos> i tried it for the past 2 months and its not too bad but slow so i have installed mate onto 12.04
[08:12] <aquarat> it'd probably work
[08:12] <tonberryE352> sounds like a bad idea
[08:12] <superfly> I'm a KDE user, so I'm immune :-D
[08:12] <aquarat> why ?
[08:12] <Kilos> hehe
[08:12] <aquarat> I wouldn't do it
[08:12] <superfly> tonberryE352: no, I don't think it has the resources to run Unity
[08:12] <tonberryE352> performance
[08:12] <tonberryE352> im not so sure
[08:12] <aquarat> the pi does have an integrated gpu
[08:12] <tonberryE352> the pi I played with was sluggish on the default lxde
[08:12] <superfly> though a colleague here at work is using his Pi as a media centre, and it works well
[08:13] <aquarat> yeah lots of people are using them as media pcs
[08:13] <tonberryE352> o and ram usage
[08:13] <aquarat> k
[08:13] <aquarat> ah well
[08:14] <aquarat> I don't even run an x server on mine lol
[08:14] <aquarat> just use them as little servers
[08:14] <tonberryE352> you dont even need to start x to decode media on it
[08:14] <aquarat> x tunneling ?
[08:14] <tonberryE352> omxplayer is more than happy to run out of a terminal
[08:15] <tonberryE352> not exactly sure what trickery is done to make it work
[08:15] <aquarat> I doubt video would play back nicely via ssh x tunneling
[08:15] <aquarat> if that's what's being done
[08:15] <tonberryE352> very doubtful yes
[08:15] <tonberryE352> no tunneling
[08:16] <aquarat> mplayer works in the terminal for mp3s and internet radio :P
[08:16] <tonberryE352> omxplayer just dumps the video output to your screen regardless of what the screen is showing
[08:16] <Kerbero> *omxplayer
[08:16] <aquarat> you can probably get vlc or mplayer to use the hdmi output as the video display
[08:16] <Kerbero> mplayer does not support the hardware decoding
[08:16] <Kerbero> neither does vlc
[08:16] <aquarat> oh
[08:16] <Kerbero> you have to use omxplayer
[08:16] <aquarat> oh ok
[08:16] <aquarat> vaapi?
[08:16] <Kerbero> no
[08:16] <tonberryE352> dont think so
[08:16] <Kerbero> some custom thing
[08:16] <aquarat> k
[08:17] <Kerbero> vaapi is intel and amd
[08:17] <aquarat> oh ok
[08:17] <Kerbero> vdpau is nvidia
[08:17] <aquarat> yes, I tried getting vaapi going on my slate 500
[08:34] <Kilos> hi drussell
[08:35] <drussell> Kilos: howdy!
[09:11] <Kilos> hmm hi psyatw
[09:16] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[11:00] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[11:00]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[11:00] <Kilos> inetpro, koffie tyd
[11:03] <Kilos> hmm steven gone travelling again
[11:04] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[11:04] <Kilos> Maaz, thanks
[11:04] <Maaz> Kilos: No problem
[11:08] <magespawn> hey Kilos how the sheep?
[11:11] <Kilos> all good ty apaert from one old ewe thats too lazy to walk after food so i gotta cut and carry
[11:12] <Kilos> she also had them strange ticks around the butt
[11:12] <magespawn> when you get old you get certain privilages
[11:12] <magespawn> so maybe not lazy
[11:13] <Kilos> lol
[11:13] <Kilos> must be a hybrid or evolved paralasis tick
[11:14] <Kilos> global warming has modified them
[11:15] <magespawn> maybe when i was studying nat con i thought they only occured in the karoo
[11:16] <Kilos> no lots northern natal too but not this colour
[11:16] <Kilos> think they the bontpoot ticks in natal
 Squirm: I know this sounds silly, but just make double sure you have your speakers plugged into the right socket. It's usually the light green socket <-- I did check. I had music playing before format, I never unplugged or adjusted speaker volume inbetween. but yeah...
[12:03] <superfly> Squirm: never hurts to check :-)
[12:04] <Squirm> it doesn't that's why I did
[12:19] <Squirm> WHen I get it working, I need to find soemewhere I can save as to how
[12:20] <Squirm> cause I always have the problem
[12:22] <Kilos> ah always prob with same pc Squirm ?
[12:27] <Squirm> no
[12:27] <Squirm> it'd have been fine if I did a normal installation.  Die pleister aftre na die bloedskenk is erger as die bloedskenk self :-/
[17:31] <nuvolari> *aftrek
[17:31] <Kerbero> lol ja
[17:33] <nuvolari> ok, ek is weg, storie is aan die gang :P
[17:33] <kilos> hmm
[17:39] <superfly> huh?
[17:39] <nuvolari> superfly: your video of zak
[17:40] <superfly> nuvolari: that I gathered... it was the stuff afterward I was having trouble following
[17:40] <nuvolari> superfly: oh :P sorry
[17:40] <nuvolari> "Die 4de Kabinet" is a series on SABC 2
[17:40] <nuvolari> afrikaans
[17:41] <kilos> yeah not to bad either
[17:45] <superfly> ah, now I follow
[18:27] <superfly> tumbleweed: when you get back, I have a question or few for you
[18:29] <inetpro> superfly: where did he go?
[18:29] <inetpro> good evening everyone
[18:29] <kilos> nuvolari, klomp skelms daar ne
[18:29] <kilos> hi inetpro welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:29] <inetpro> kilos: ty
[18:29] <superfly> inetpro: CLUG dinner
[18:30] <inetpro> ahh
[18:33] <smile> bye :p
[18:33] <tumbleweed> superfly: hi
[18:36] <superfly> tumbleweed: hi, I upgraded to the beta (the proper way) and now X doesn't seem to be very happy
[18:37] <superfly> I've tried with nvidia drivers, and with the nouveau, but X doesn't seem to like either.
[18:37] <superfly> any hints?
[18:37] <tumbleweed> ouch
[18:37] <tumbleweed> can you define "not very happy"?
[18:38] <superfly> tumbleweed: doesn't start. I'm looking at the log file, and there are some errors in there
[18:38] <superfly> one says that the glx module's abi differed from the server
[18:39] <superfly> *differs
[18:39] <tumbleweed> package managed nvidia drivers?
[18:39] <superfly> yup
[18:39] <tumbleweed> ok, this sounds vaugely familiar
[18:39] <tumbleweed> I thuoght it was fixed ages ago, though
[18:41] <inetpro> eish!
[18:42] <superfly> it loads the nouveau driver successfully , but there are still a few other errors in the log file
[18:42] <tumbleweed> superfly: yeah, fixed on the 28th
[18:42] <tumbleweed> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/304.43-0ubuntu1
[18:42] <superfly> but they don't look like they'd affect anything
[18:43] <superfly> hrm, I had that version installed
[18:43] <tumbleweed> you need to reboot to switch between nouveau and nvidia
[18:43] <tumbleweed> because the nvidia driver can't work when the nouveau kernel module is loaded
[18:44] <superfly> I have... I also get a segfault when I try to reboot from the command line, but I can live with that
[18:45] <tumbleweed> I suggest visiting #ubuntu-x / #ubuntu+1
[18:45]  * tumbleweed can't provide much help without seeing logs
[18:45] <tumbleweed> pastebinit is awesome for that
[18:45] <superfly> and I can't get the logs online without a gui
[18:46] <superfly> is that a command line tool?
[18:46] <tumbleweed> yes
[18:46] <tumbleweed> I assume you also deleted xorg.conf when switching between the drivers?
[18:46] <superfly> yup
[18:47] <tumbleweed> I don't see any even vaguely related open bugs
[18:47] <tumbleweed> so this is something interesting...
[18:48] <inetpro> superfly: aptitude install pastebinit
[18:48] <superfly> tumbleweed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1199235/
[18:49]  * superfly just typed that out -_-
[18:50] <superfly> tumbleweed: I've just purged noveau to see if it was causing a problem
[18:51] <tumbleweed> so, this log was with noveau purged, and nvidia installed?
[18:51] <superfly> no, other way around
[18:51] <tumbleweed> ok
[18:51] <tumbleweed> [    19.858] (II) LoadModule: "nvidia"
[18:51] <tumbleweed> [    19.890] (WW) Warning, couldn't open module nvidia
[18:52] <tumbleweed> [    19.890] (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
[18:52] <tumbleweed> it couldn't find it
[18:52] <tumbleweed> bleh, you said other way around
[18:53] <tumbleweed> superfly: dpkg -l dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-nouveau xserver-xorg
[18:55] <tumbleweed> (all I want is the versions)
[18:56] <tumbleweed> does your irc client have an /exec? :)
[18:56] <superfly> tumbleweed: I'm on my Android tablet
[18:56] <tumbleweed> aah
[18:57] <superfly> tumbleweed: paste of my latest attempt: 1199250
[18:57] <tumbleweed> [    20.231] (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. Please check your
[18:57] <tumbleweed> [    20.231] (EE) NVIDIA:     system's kernel log for additional error messages.
[18:58] <superfly> have, saw that.
[18:58] <superfly> *ja
[18:58] <tumbleweed> why did it fail to load?
[18:59] <superfly> dunno
[18:59] <tumbleweed> dmesg | grep -i nvidia ?
[19:01] <superfly> I only see my onboard audio stuff
[19:02] <superfly> Kern.log and syslog both just show the module loading, but no errors
[19:03] <tumbleweed> hrm
[19:03] <inetpro> hmm.... superfly I remember vagualy something about header files
[19:03] <inetpro> kernel headers
[19:03] <tumbleweed> it's a long time since I've used the proprietary nvidia driver
[19:03] <tumbleweed> inetpro: if it's loading, it's built
[19:04] <inetpro> ahh
[19:04] <tumbleweed> superfly: so, if you lsmod, you see it?
[19:04] <superfly> sadly the nouveau driver is not stable enough for my games
[19:04] <tumbleweed> yeah, I can't run any gl stuff on my desktop. nouveau doesn't like it
[19:05] <superfly> ah, no module in lsmod
[19:05] <tumbleweed> modprobe it?
[19:05] <superfly> ah, it seems to be blacklisted
[19:06] <tumbleweed> the nouveau package could do that. Can't remember all the details here
[19:07] <inetpro> and just in for in case:
[19:07] <inetpro> aptitude search linux-headers-`uname -r`
[19:08] <nuvolari> there :> now I'm happy for a change
[19:08] <nuvolari> awesome wm
[19:08] <nuvolari> rocks my boat
[19:09] <kilos> nuvolari, shhh
[19:09]  * nuvolari fluister
[19:09] <nuvolari> hoekom oom kilos ?
[19:10] <kilos> die vlieg sukkel
[19:10] <kilos> hy en tuimelkruid werk hier
[19:10] <nuvolari> :O apologies
[19:11] <inetpro> ai
[19:14] <kilos> where the fly and weed went
[19:14] <kilos> grrr we were learning
[19:14] <tumbleweed> presumably he's hacking away furiously
[19:15] <kilos> shame
[19:15] <kilos> not often he battles
[19:15] <superfly> tumbleweed: I managed to enable the module, but it doesn't seem to have helped... busy trying to find output why
[19:17] <tumbleweed> dmesg | tail
[19:22] <superfly> tumbleweed: I still had kdm installed, and lightdm was also installed, so I've removed kdm to see if that helps
[19:23] <superfly> it looks like kubuntu uses lights now
[19:25] <superfly> hrm, dmesg says that lightdm terminated with status 1
[19:25] <tumbleweed> the more useful thing for dmesg to tell you would be module loading problems
[19:25] <superfly> as did plymouth
[19:27] <superfly> nope, no errors loading the nvidia module
[19:28] <superfly> ah, lightdm shows no greeters
[19:29] <tumbleweed> superfly: wtf?
[19:29] <tumbleweed> you do have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[19:29] <superfly> yes
[19:30] <tumbleweed> when you boot, it is using VESA graphics, right? not modesetting and getting a high resolution?
[19:30] <superfly> tumbleweed: no, I use text mode
[19:31] <tumbleweed> right, but it is 80x20, not high-res?
[19:31] <tumbleweed> what I'm getting at is: does it load nouveau when you boot?
[19:32] <superfly> after reinstalling the kde greeter, now it works
[19:32] <tumbleweed> \o/
[19:32] <superfly> tumbleweed: no, not as far as I know
[19:33] <tumbleweed> but you have it working now?
[19:34] <superfly> yes
[19:34] <tumbleweed> that's what matters
[19:34] <tumbleweed> we're busy having a big old grumble in #ubuntu-release about breakage in upgrades :)
[19:35] <kilos> well done superfly tumbleweed
[19:35] <kilos> night all . sleep tight
[19:36] <superfly> yay! Thanks tumbleweed, you're a star
[19:36] <tumbleweed> np
[19:38] <superfly> now, for some reason, Quassel lost all its settings
[19:39] <tumbleweed> ubuntu-bug quassel...
[19:52] <czajkowski> Squirm: ello :)
[19:52]  * Squirm looks at czajkowski
[19:52] <Squirm> I know you
[19:52] <Squirm> can't quite tell from where though
[19:52] <czajkowski> so what's wrong with ALSA and also what version of Ubuntu are you running
[19:52] <czajkowski> drubin: booo long time buddy!
[19:54] <Squirm> running Ubuntu 12.04.1, ALSA seems to be picking up my Intel onboard sound card, but nothing is playing
[19:54] <Squirm> just did a purge on all alsa packages, reinstalling now
[19:58] <Squirm> ooooooh
[19:58] <Squirm> sound!
[19:58] <czajkowski> yay
[20:06] <nuvolari> that's a glorious moment
[20:06] <nuvolari> Maaz: google define:glorious
[20:06] <Maaz> nuvolari: "Glorious | Define Glorious at Dictionary.com" http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/glorious :: "Glorious - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster ..." http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/glorious :: "Paul Baloche - "Glorious" - Live - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-5T2UAZoPU :: "Glorious Revolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glorious_Revolution :: "glorious - def
[20:06] <nuvolari> fail :-/
[20:07] <nuvolari> Maaz: can you define words?
[20:07] <Maaz> nuvolari: What?
[20:09] <nuvolari> Maaz: spell glorious
[20:09] <Maaz> nuvolari: Yup, that's a word all right
[20:09] <nuvolari> \o/
[20:10] <tumbleweed> Maaz: define glorious
[20:10] <Maaz> tumbleweed: Glorious \Glo"ri*ous\, a. [OF. glorios, glorious, F. glorieux, fr. L. gloriosus. See {Glory}, n.] [1913 Webster] 1.  --Milton. [1913 Webster]  2. Eager for glory or distinction; haughty; boastfu
[20:10] <tumbleweed> nuvolari: there's also gdefine, if you like google's definitions...
[20:10] <drubin> czajkowski: Welcome! yes it has been a long time
[20:10] <drubin> czajkowski: what brings you to these parts?
[20:12] <czajkowski> drubin: chatting to Squirm in another channel and he said he was over your way
[20:12] <czajkowski> he was having issues with 12.04.01 and sound
[20:12] <Squirm> still do
[20:12] <Squirm> just putting it out there
[20:14] <nuvolari> ooh :> awesome
[20:15] <nuvolari> thanks tumbleweed
[20:15] <Squirm> so speaker-test works
[20:15] <Squirm> but nothing else
[20:15] <nuvolari> mebbe you need pulseaudio
[20:16] <nuvolari> a wild guess
[20:16] <nuvolari> ok, i'm out
[20:16] <nuvolari> bed is calling
[20:16] <Squirm> nuvolari: wait
[20:16] <Squirm> when you heading my way?
[20:17] <nuvolari> Squirm: only in Dec
[20:17] <Squirm> :/
[20:17] <nuvolari> I know i know :-/
[20:17] <Squirm> maybe I'll come knock at your door looking for a place to stay
[20:17] <Squirm> :P
[20:18] <nuvolari> as long as you're not kicked out of home
[20:19] <Squirm> never
[20:32] <drubin> czajkowski: Ah cool. I just got home and climbed into bed. so gonna call it a night.
[20:32] <drubin> czajkowski: :) Glad to see you still around!
[20:32] <czajkowski> toodles
[20:32] <czajkowski> no fear of me not going anywhere ;)
[20:33] <czajkowski> still on the CC and on the LC and now working in Canonical
[20:34] <Squirm> so czajkowski is now the guy to ask about Ubuntu related issues
[20:43] <czajkowski> narp :)


[00:05] <doflaherty> mhall119, https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg08031.html
[00:28] <mhall119> thanks doflaherty
[12:54] <mhall119> popey: do you have newer click tools than I do?  I ran click-run-check on my package and it didn't complain about UbuntuWebView 0.1
[13:26] <popey> mhall119: i use click tools from trunk
[13:55] <niftynate> SO
[13:55] <niftynate> I am curious.
[13:56] <niftynate> I might toss out my old 1GHz single core piece of junk and grab a more modern android phone. Naturally I'll hack it as much as I can. I'm intrigued by Ubuntu touch. What is the graphical environment? Is it possible to install GCC and python/gtk libraries? Could one feasibly compile unsupported graphical programs on it?
[14:11] <popey> niftynate: yes and no
[14:12] <popey> niftynate: you can certainly use tools like gcc and python, but anything that needs X won't work out of the box
[14:12] <popey> we don't ship x
[14:17] <niftynate> I was wondering what the graphical environment was. I'm guessing it's something akin to Android's stuff?
[14:17] <popey> we use unity8 on mir
[14:18] <niftynate> MIR. I see
[14:18] <niftynate> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/Spec#Toolkit_Integration_.26_Legacy_X_Application_Support
[14:18] <niftynate> Is this bit realized yet? Does anyone know?
[14:19] <niftynate> Obviously to run inside of MIR the X will have to be modified and virtualized somehow. I dunno if that's ready yet.
[14:19] <popey> pass
[14:20] <niftynate> Freedom to compile and use legacy applications would be a big part of my attraction, but command-line applications are also comfortable. Truthfully, I can't name a lot of GUI-centric apps I'd need particularly. Mainly hexchat. :P
[14:20] <niftynate> popey: giving up on me so quickly?
[14:21] <popey> I'm playing games ☻
[14:21] <popey> irc is distracting me ☻
[14:22] <niftynate> You've got an irssi script that auto-converts emoticons to unicode faces? Bizarre.
[14:23] <popey> I do
[14:24] <niftynate> I guess xmir is something I need to research more.
[14:24] <niftynate> SOUNDS ready but I'll need to see documentation.
[14:26] <popey> i think xmir is on hold for now, and all work is on mir
[14:28] <niftynate> That statement hurts my head a little
[14:29] <niftynate> Well, barring greater legacy X support, I have now lost some interest in Ubuntu Touch.
[14:29] <niftynate> I know the support is coming, but as I stand it's an investment I have to be careful about.
[14:32] <niftynate> Who can tell me how the android app support is going?
[14:33] <Tassadar> ubuntu touch is not supposed to support android apps
[14:34] <popey> we certainly have no current plans to support android apps natively
[14:34] <niftynate> "support" these days seems to refer to how well people involved in the project will approve the idea.
[14:34] <popey> if you want it in black and white.
[14:34] <popey> you can't run android apps on ubuntu touch
[14:35] <popey> in the same way you can't run ios apps on android
[14:36] <dobey> why would you want to run tradiitonal apps on a phone anyway? they are hardly built for it
[14:37] <dobey> do you want a phone or a laptop?
[14:38] <popey> i met a guy at my LUG and when I gave a demo of ubuntu phone his first question was "can it run emacs?"
[14:39] <dobey> well it can, but the terminal app isn't really up to the keyboard combos one uses in emacs
[14:39]  * dobey wonders if there's a mir backend in upstream emacs yet
[14:40] <dobey> but can != should
[14:42] <dobey> anyway, back to weekend
[15:22] <mhall119> popey: <IP_ADDRESS> fails because of using Oxide UbuntuWebView, looks like a permission issue, what do I need to add to my apparmor manifest?
[15:29] <niftynate> I plan to live my 90s tv-punk-hacker dream and get a 5"+ handheld computer (phone) and one of these: http://images.gizmag.com/hero/thanko-folding-usb-keyboard.jpg
[15:30] <niftynate> I can get by with Android until the right software comes along. Thanks for your support. I'll still be watching Ubuntu Touch closely. Dalvik virtualization layers can't be that hard to do...
[15:32] <t1mp> niftynate: you should be able to compile any qt5-based apps on ubuntu touch
[15:32] <t1mp> and run even ;)
[15:33] <t1mp> uhm.. wait is it true what I'm saying? not sure about qtwidgets.. but newer apps often use qtquick anyway
[15:52] <popey> mhall119: pass
[16:02] <Steve[cloud]> anyone have any ideas as to how to resolve this reboot loop im in on a N10?
[16:42] <MOUD> Hey all
[16:43] <a_muva__> if I: system-image-cli -n, I get: Upgrade path is 19:20, but I can not upgrade (system-image-cli)
[16:59] <popey> a_muva__: yeah, wait till the next image, tomorrow
[16:59] <popey> or indeed monday
[17:11] <a_muva__> popey: OK thank you.


[03:34] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[04:26] <Maik> good morning
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> himcesjf: the more packages or snaps that the user installs, the more space they will take on the disk yeah
[11:21] <himcesjf> lotuspsychje: Okay, we are here
[11:21] <himcesjf> lotuspsychje: Of course and I have been using apt for the same and never had issues with root partition getting full so quickly. My root partition is of 20 GiB and after trying few snaps and faltpaks it got full really fast
[11:22] <lotuspsychje> himcesjf: how big is your total HD for ubuntu?
[11:22] <himcesjf> himcesjf: 1 TB
[11:22] <himcesjf> lotuspsychje: ^
[11:22]  * himcesjf talking to himself lol
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> thats plenty to install stuff on?
[11:23] <himcesjf> What I am trying to understand is  how are snaps and flatpaks. I thought 20 GiB root partition was more than enough
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu asks at least 8GB to install on these days
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> when you install a few packages, it can go faster yeah
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> but thats why i suggested bleachbit, wich can easy clean around 2GB
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> depending on wich snaps you install, some can be big
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> but that can be said of packages from apt just the same