[04:19] <alterim> can someone tell me if there's any more windows switchers available for gnome, other than window list and window selector?
[04:20] <burning_bronx> >.>
[04:20] <alterim> i'd like a mac style window selector menu, that doesn't mind increasing it's icon size when i make a panel bigger...
[04:20] <zosologist> anyone know why my wifi after setting up in the ubuntu network manageer would be slow?
[04:20] <viller> hi
[04:20] <burning_bronx> alterim, get a mac? o_O;
[04:20] <gnomefreak> lol
[04:20] <alterim> well i have one
[04:21] <burning_bronx> and I don't cause I am poor
[04:21] <burning_bronx> :X
[04:21] <alterim> i'd not like to get another, but i WOULD like to customise my ubuntu
[04:21] <zosologist> anyone?
[04:21] <zosologist> anyone know why my wifi after setting up in the ubuntu network manageer would be slow?
[04:21] <viller> how to unhide .file in the terminal?
[04:21] <zosologist> well not slow but starts and stops wierd
[04:21] <psusi> viller: ls -a
[04:21] <HymnToLife> viller > Ctrl+H
[04:21] <burning_bronx> alterim, have you tried googlin'?
[04:22] <alterim> yeah
[04:22] <alterim> didn't find much
[04:22] <alterim> i don't really know what sort of thing it's called
[04:23] <Stormx2> Hi
[04:23] <alterim> i just hate these xp style window lists, the menu one would be ok but you increase a panel size to say, 48 pixels, and the piddly little icon stays the same
[04:23] <burning_bronx> that should be window manager related
[04:24] <burning_bronx> >.>
[04:24] <burning_bronx> Not sure tho
[04:24] <greenpenguin13> how would i tell grub to re-detect the distros that should be on menu.lst?
[04:25] <psusi> greenpenguin13: update-grub
[04:25] <greenpenguin13> thanks :)
[04:25] <gnomefreak> he should beable to go to preff. and windows and change the style  from a given what 20 styles or something like that
[04:25] <phaer_> does anybody know, how i can install new ttf-fonts?
[04:25] <mcphail> alterim: have you tried gdesklets? They do hog a lot of resources, however.
[04:25] <phaer_> ( i've just got the ttf-files
[04:26] <gnomefreak> !fonts
[04:26] <phaer_> ( need them for openoffice and the flashplayer )
[04:26] <ubotu> rumour has it, fonts is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[04:26] <greenpenguin13> no i still dont get foresight instead of suse :/
[04:26] <burning_bronx> I made an eyecandy desktop with gdesklets loaded and it wasn't suckin' the resources that bad
[04:26] <gnomefreak> hell i installed xpenguins and i cant find them :(
[04:27] <burning_bronx> have you tried typing locate xpenguins in the terminal?
[04:27] <gnomefreak> no why would i do that that would make sense :(
[04:27] <gnomefreak> lol
[04:27] <Lukian> after typing 'sudo updatedb' :p
[04:27] <gnomefreak> ill brb gonna change to ubuntu
[04:28] <Denstark> ahh
[04:28] <alterim> no i haven't
[04:29] <alterim> so, how do i install this firefox then?
[04:29] <Denstark> i think ubuntu is not as good as windows
[04:29] <greenpenguin13> ahem
[04:29] <alterim> of course it's bloody not
[04:29] <burning_bronx> it is not as good as windows unless you make it
[04:29] <burning_bronx> if you know what you're doing it's times better
[04:30] <alterim> yeah
[04:30] <Ng> Denstark: then make it better :)
[04:30] <alterim> lol
[04:30] <Ng> alterim: if you want to install 1.5 see the FirefoxNewVersion wiki page
[04:30] <alterim> ableton live on linux... hmm
[04:30] <alterim> lots better
[04:30] <alterim> ok, cheers Ng
[04:30] <psusi> of course it isn't... it doesn't crash half as much!
[04:30] <burning_bronx> yep yep
[04:30] <Denstark> burning_bronx, you dont know what your taslking about
[04:30] <Ng> this is not the place to discuss which OS you prefer
[04:31] <Ng> that would be #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:31] <psusi> the crashing alone makes windows clearly better ;)
[04:31] <alterim> lol
[04:31] <pinkisntwell> what the heck? ubuntu put my home folder on the network as a share and now I can't remove it!
[04:31] <Ng> this is for ubuntu questions
[04:31] <burning_bronx> Denstark, been using Windows 3.1, Windows 95/98, Windows ME/2000 and windows XP
[04:31] <burning_bronx> so yes
[04:31] <burning_bronx> I know what I am talking about
[04:31] <Denstark> windows meadia player rocks
[04:31] <alterim> uboutu, TELL Denstark why i really need to get outside a little more
[04:31] <mcphail> DNFTT
[04:31] <burning_bronx> VLC rox wmp
[04:31] <alterim> lol..
[04:31] <burning_bronx> Totem rox wmp
[04:31] <burning_bronx> everything rox wmp
[04:31] <burning_bronx> >.>
[04:31] <Lukian> Totem doesn't work
[04:32] <alterim> winamp rox Totem
[04:32] <Lukian> "omg! video in use. exiting!"
[04:32] <Denstark> ie > firefox
[04:32] <psusi> try totem-xine
[04:32] <burning_bronx> Xmms/BMP own winamp
[04:32] <alterim> lol
[04:32] <burning_bronx> Lukian, it works if you know how to make it owrk
[04:32] <burning_bronx> *work
[04:32] <Absolute0> is there a way i can start the ubuntu installation with a floppy and then mount the iso from a differrent partition?
[04:32] <alterim> by the time you've set it up you've realised you haven't got any kind of life
[04:32] <psusi> winamp, it really whips the lama's ass
[04:32] <burning_bronx> Everything > IE
[04:32] <Lukian> burning_bronx: any help with that issue then?
[04:33] <burning_bronx> Lukian,  as psusi said you should install totem-xine
[04:33] <Denstark> ie is good if you know how to use it bronx
[04:33] <Lukian> burning_bronx: that means that IE is greater than itself
[04:33] <psusi> Absolute0: not officially... why would you want to?  just boot from the cd
[04:33] <Absolute0> by burned is broken
[04:33] <burning_bronx> Lukian, then Everythin >= IE
[04:33] <rain_> can i read with ubuntu linux ntfs file sytem_
[04:33] <Absolute0> :/
[04:33] <Absolute0> *burner
[04:33] <psusi> floopies are obsolete... burn them, and let them rest in pieces
[04:33] <HymnToLife> rain_ > yes
[04:33] <burning_bronx> I haven't used floppies since win98
[04:33] <burning_bronx> >.>
[04:34] <burning_bronx> and those were dark ages
[04:34] <greenpenguin13> anyone? i need to re-detect all the distros for grub
[04:34] <burning_bronx> XD
[04:34] <Ng> who cares
[04:34] <psusi> rain_: read? yes... write?  no
[04:34] <Absolute0> i dont think that information is helping me
[04:34] <HymnToLife> sure
[04:34] <christianp> can anyone help me in findinf automatix? all the link bring to ubuntuforum, but i can't fiund where to download it!!!
[04:34] <HymnToLife> I had win 98 FE, the CD wouldn't boot
[04:34] <Lukian> psusi: burning_bronx: ty, installing now
[04:34] <HymnToLife> you had to boot from a floppy :p
[04:34] <bobbyd> psusi, not true
[04:34] <burning_bronx> Lukian, I would suggest you install vlc better
[04:34] <rain_> does anyone know simekind of docs about it id try to manage myself
[04:34] <burning_bronx> it is pretty lightweight and has integrated support for almost any media format out there
[04:34] <psusi> bobbyd: what is not true?
[04:35] <Lukian> burning_bronx: already have
[04:35] <burning_bronx> like it?
[04:35] <HymnToLife> VLC rules
[04:35] <bobbyd> psusi, rain_ , http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[04:35] <burning_bronx> VLC owns the lama's ass >.>
[04:35] <Lukian> i use it under windows as my only* video player.
[04:35] <labandus> hi men
[04:35] <pinkisntwell> ubuntu put my home folder on the network as a share and now I can't remove it!
[04:35] <HymnToLife> i use it under linux as my only media player as well :p
[04:35] <labandus> good to back
[04:35] <psusi> bobbyd: no thanks... I don't trust microsoft drivers under windows... trying to run them under linux is just insane ;)
[04:35] <labandus> good to be back
[04:35] <Lukian> HymnToLife: dvd's too?
[04:35] <bobbyd> psusi, works just fine
[04:35] <HymnToLife> yep
[04:36] <labandus> I 'am looking for a file Sharing Programm
[04:36] <rain_> thanx
[04:36] <burning_bronx> labandus, use Samba
[04:36] <psusi> bobbyd: there is a reason why it isn't officially supported ;)
[04:36] <labandus> as gtk-ghutella
[04:36] <bobbyd> psusi, I used it to recover data from a physically broken Windows NTFS drive
[04:36] <burning_bronx> ah
[04:36] <burning_bronx> you mean P2P
[04:36] <zosologist> anyone help me with my wifi
[04:36] <zosologist> ?
[04:36] <burning_bronx> ~_~;
[04:36] <zosologist> anyone know why my wifi after setting up in the ubuntu network manageer would be slow?
[04:36] <bobbyd> psusi, of course, it's a licensing issue
[04:36] <psusi> bobbyd: ntfsclone is good for that
[04:36] <labandus> burning_bronx,  as gtk-gnutella
[04:36] <Absolute0> how about this: i have a kubunut cd after doing apt-get install ubunutu-desktop will i get the same thing as a regular ubuntu installation would give me?
[04:37] <labandus> burning_bronx, g as edonkey for windows
[04:37] <Ng> labandus: gtk-gnutella is in ubuntu, or there's things like amule
[04:37] <burning_bronx> tried amule?
[04:37] <psusi> bobbyd: not really... they don't distribute the driver.. you have to grab a copy from your windows install
[04:37] <burning_bronx> gtk-gnutella + amule = p2p ownage
[04:37] <burning_bronx> >.>
[04:37] <labandus>  gtk-gnutella works very bad
[04:37] <Lukian> i'll give you a mule! *shakes fist*
[04:37] <alterim> lol @ the FirefoxNewVersion wiki
[04:38] <alterim> compared to installing it on xp
[04:38] <alterim> hahaha
[04:38] <bobbyd> psusi, still, most distros wouldn't touch it simply because it uses propietory MS files
[04:38] <DeepBlueGhost> absolute0: Not exactly, you'll still have KDE and the rest...
[04:38] <alterim> better ;)
[04:38] <Absolute0> whats wrong with limewire?
[04:38] <labandus> burning_bronx,   gtk-gnutella works very bad
[04:38] <psusi> bobbyd: yup... which is why I don't either ;)
[04:38] <pinkisntwell> gtk is fine. you forgot azureus people
[04:38] <labandus> i'm looking for another Programm
[04:38] <bobbyd> psusi, ok, so it is a licensing thing :)
[04:39] <Absolute0> this room is wierd
[04:39] <alterim> is there a way i can install firefox 1.5 without using the command line
[04:39] <burning_bronx> labandus, tried amule?
[04:39] <alterim> ??
[04:39] <Ng> alterim: no
[04:39] <psusi> bobbyd: no... when you say it is a licensing thing, you are saying that you need to obtain a license to do it... you don't
[04:39] <oxez> alterim: cli > everything :o
[04:39] <burning_bronx> alterim, why are you so scared of the command line?
[04:39] <burning_bronx> You gotta love the cmd
[04:39] <burning_bronx> cli owns the world
[04:39] <burning_bronx> >.>
[04:39] <labandus> burning_bronx, where can get I???
[04:39] <burning_bronx> labandus, synaptic search amule?
[04:39] <burning_bronx> or just sudo apt-get install amule
[04:39] <bobbyd> psusi, no, I'm saying that the distros don't like using closed source code under a proprietory licence, so they dont :)
[04:40] <labandus> burning_bronx, ok i'm trying
[04:40] <alterim> because i'd like to have a life away from the computer
[04:40] <the_mr_bong_show> could some one help me set up my email acounts on this Evolutuin mail
[04:40] <Ng> alterim: then use the firefox that's already installed
[04:40] <alterim> i actually want to install a web browser
[04:40] <alterim> not use a command line
[04:40] <burning_bronx> alterim do a sudo apt-get remove real-life
[04:40] <burning_bronx> ur into linux now boy
[04:40] <burning_bronx> xD
[04:40] <alterim> i'm not into linux, i'm just trying an alternative operating system because i dislike the look and feel of xp
[04:41] <DeepBlueGhost> command lines are not to be feared...
[04:41] <burning_bronx> XP deprives users of freedom
[04:41] <labandus> burning_bronx, it's been downloaded
[04:41] <psusi> bobbyd: then say it uses proprietary software, which nobody likes... not the same as a licencing issue... mp3 has licencing issues... but lame is open source
[04:41] <burning_bronx> labandus, installeth?
[04:41] <alterim> XP enables me to run ableton live and various other audio apps, of which i use to produce my main income
[04:41] <Ng> alterim: ubuntu has a clear policy about releasing updates and that is that they only include security and important bug fixes - the new version will be included and easy to install in the next release, which is april
[04:41] <labandus> burning_bronx, i will start with the installation
[04:41] <labandus> burning_bronx, now
[04:41] <burning_bronx> labandus, didn't you do sudo apt-get install totem-xine ?
[04:42] <alterim> ok, cool Ng, but is it possible for me to install 1.5, relatively easily?
[04:42] <aeon17x> alterim: then stay with XP.
[04:42] <alterim> of course i will stay with xp
[04:42] <burning_bronx> !firefox
[04:42] <ubotu> firefox is, like, totally, a Free Software web browser that supports extensions and is gaining popularity by the hour. Developed by the Mozilla Foundation.
[04:42] <the_mr_bong_show> Ng could you help me set up my email acounts on this Evolutuin mail when you get time
[04:42] <alterim> i am doing this aswell as
[04:42] <burning_bronx> !firefox1.5
[04:42] <ubotu> You can update to firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[04:42] <burning_bronx> alterim, don't move
[04:43] <burning_bronx> don't breathe too
[04:43] <alterim> i just looked at the aforementioned link, and it's ridiculously long winded
[04:43] <Ng> alterim: unless anyone has backported it, there is either download the tarball from firefox's site and do it all yourself, or use the NewVersion wiki page. This may seem inconvenient, but overall I would say it's best to stick with the default Ubuntu versions and not care so much about always running the very latest version of things - as you said yourself, you want a life
[04:43] <labandus> burning_bronx, i did it ...
[04:43] <Lukian> alterim: and for good reason, 1.5 is a pos :)
[04:43] <HymnToLife> or get opera :p
[04:43] <burning_bronx> labandus, does it work now?
[04:43] <Ng> Lukian: he didn't ask for opinions and this isn't the place to give them :p
[04:43] <tRSS> what might be causing this:  KRB5 error code 68 while getting initial credentials
[04:44] <alterim> sure, i'm just used to 1.5 on xp, the menus and stuff are a bit different
[04:44] <tmjb> anyone know where to find firebird2 amd64 its seems that does not exist in universe
[04:44] <alterim> that's the main reason i wanted to upgrade really
[04:44] <HymnToLife> firebird ?
[04:44] <labandus> burning_bronx, yeah my TOTEM xine is working very well
[04:44] <burning_bronx> ;)
[04:44] <burning_bronx> cheers then friend
[04:44] <HymnToLife> isn't it thunderfox ? :p
[04:44] <tmjb> HymnToLife: firebird sql
[04:44] <HymnToLife> ih damn, sorry :p
[04:44] <labandus> but i've a got a little with this "amule"
[04:44] <burning_bronx> Ng, there is ofcourse the detail that the default  firefox in breezy is a lot heavier resource-wise than the new 1.5
[04:44] <burning_bronx> performance in 1.5 is a lot better
[04:45] <the_mr_bong_show> whats firebird
[04:45] <labandus> i'm getting any connection to server
[04:45] <catalinux> can someone tell in which repository I can find mysql-server-5.1?
[04:45] <alterim> ok, well, i would still like to upgrade to 1.5, i guess the only way is to follow the wiki
[04:45] <Lukian> HymnToLife: smart  man
[04:45] <alterim> it's just a shame i can't double click firefoxsetup.exe or something
[04:45] <alterim> it should be that easy, you know
[04:45] <burning_bronx> the firebird project was renamed to firefox
[04:45] <burning_bronx> it was phoenix in the beginning
[04:46] <Lukian> alterim: it will be, when it's final and stable.
[04:46] <burning_bronx> alterim, linux is not windows
[04:46] <Ng> alterim: well it's not going to be any time soon, linux doesn't work like that
[04:46] <Rawplayer> !=FFS
[04:46] <ubotu> Rawplayer: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[04:46] <Rawplayer> o dear
[04:46] <alterim> hmm i know.. shame
[04:46] <Rawplayer> ;p
[04:46] <tmjb> but no amd64 why ?http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/source/firebird2
[04:46] <Ng> alterim: if you want to fix it, go right ahead. we are here to help people, not get ranted at ;)
[04:46] <burning_bronx> catalinux, mysql 5 hasn't been done yet
[04:46] <alterim> and it's for this reason that windows will continue to dominate
[04:46] <burning_bronx> not even in the dapper dev branch
[04:46] <burning_bronx> I mean it hasn't been repackaged for ubuntu
[04:47] <alterim> well i thought a few thousand developers, that don't really leave their bedrooms that much would have had it sorted after a few years, you know
[04:47] <burning_bronx> you may try compiling it from source if you are eager to try it
[04:47] <catalinux> burning_bronx: dev.mysql.com :d
[04:47] <Ng> alterim: you still seem to be ranting ;)
[04:47] <alterim> yeah, i am, sorry
[04:47] <Ng> take it to #ubuntu-offtopic if you want to
[04:47] <Ng> or use the energy to help fix it
[04:47] <burning_bronx> alterim, we've heard hundreds like you
[04:47] <alterim> i bet you have!
[04:47] <burning_bronx> it's just not the way linux works - figure it out
[04:47] <catalinux> burning_bronx: "MySQL 5.0 is Here!" <--- copy from the site
[04:47] <burning_bronx> you have to learn new things
[04:48] <burning_bronx> catalinux, where's that?
[04:48] <mcphail> alterim: try this - it might work...
[04:48] <burning_bronx> give me a credible link
[04:48] <catalinux> burning_bronx: dev.mysql.com
[04:48] <Ng> catalinux: mysql5 is not in the ubuntu repositories yet
[04:48] <burning_bronx> ...
[04:48] <trappist> alterim: a distro puts out a stable release.  new versions of software come out.  in the interest of stability, bugfixes and security updates get backported, but new versions are generally reserved for the next release.  most distros do this, and those that don't aren't generally considered stable.
[04:48] <burning_bronx> yes catalinux it is out
[04:48] <burning_bronx> but it is not repackaged for ubuntu
[04:48] <catalinux> burning_bronx: I used it on debian, but on ubuntu only the 4.1 version is available
[04:48] <burning_bronx> I know
[04:48] <alterim> yeah that's reasonable enough
[04:48] <Ng> catalinux: you can rebuild the debian packages for ubuntu if you want
[04:49] <burning_bronx> you won't see it in breezy unless they backport it
[04:49] <burning_bronx> you can compile it on your own
[04:49] <trappist> though I *am* surprised firefox-1.5 isn't in backports
[04:49] <alterim> but you've got this really stable operating system that doesn't actually do anything apart from create hobbies
[04:49] <psusi> trappist: me too
[04:49] <alterim> a bit of real life functionality might be cool
[04:49] <catalinux> burning_bronx: yes, that's what I'll do
[04:49] <burning_bronx> trappist, there are reasons for firefox 1.5 not being in the backports
[04:49] <burning_bronx> it has been stated by jdong I think
[04:49] <seannyob> is anyone running 64 bits?  i am considering switching to ubuntu and i have some questions, if anyone running 64 is interested in talking about it
[04:50] <psusi> seannyob: I am
[04:50] <catalinux> seannyob: me too
[04:50] <mcphail> seannyob: yes
[04:50] <Ng> alterim: you can always ask for a refund ;)
[04:50] <seannyob> wow
[04:50] <alterim> i'm trying linux because xp is awful, and i don't like having any sort of networking on it
[04:50] <HymnToLife> lol ng
[04:50] <burning_bronx> alterim, linux is functional
[04:50] <alterim> i just want to use linux for usenet, and web
[04:50] <Ng> alterim: and you can do both of those already, thus it is functional
[04:51] <burning_bronx> actually the main goal of linux is functionality
[04:51] <Ng> even if it is perhaps inconvenient in some places
[04:51] <seannyob> okey dokey.  i have an athlon64 and i got gentoo 64 running, but it didn't seem ready for prime time to me as a desktop/multimedia system.  so i've been running 32 for a year.
[04:51] <burning_bronx> but being functional and being easy are not always the same
[04:51] <psusi> my cousin who knows very little about computers just wanted to do email and web... his windows got all hosed up as usual so I installed ubuntu for him... he loved it
[04:51] <mcphail> seannyob: 64 bit is for masochists
[04:51] <psusi> no popups, no spyware... no need to fetch drivers for this and that
[04:51] <burning_bronx> I've been spreading Ubuntu CDs all around my school
[04:51] <burning_bronx> ppl are liking it
[04:51] <burning_bronx> >.>
[04:52] <jbroome> nice!  that's better than what usually gets spread around school. :)
[04:52] <tRSS> please please please someone help me with Kerberos, winbind and samba so that I authenticate with win2k3 servers at work
[04:52] <alterim> ok, so if i want to install ff1.5, the easiest way is the wiki.. i'll get to it
[04:52] <burning_bronx> jbroome, it is isn't it ;)
[04:52] <seannyob> i guess the question is...are there 32 bit versions of applications like firefox w/flash, xine/mplayer w/ 32 bit codecs, etc in the 64 bit multiverse &or universe?
[04:52] <psusi> seannyob: as long as you stick purely to open source, 64 bit is fine... you do run into trouble though when you try to use proprietary stuff like w32 codecs, or crapromedia flash
[04:52] <tRSS> I keep getting this error when I do "kinit<EMAIL_ADDRESS>:  KRB5 error code 68 while getting initial credentials
[04:52] <Absolute0> which kernel version comes with the latest ubuntu
[04:52] <Absolute0> ?
[04:52] <mcphail> alterim: i think ff will work without "installing"
[04:52] <alterim> really?
[04:53] <burning_bronx> Absolute0, it's 2.6.12-10 with the latest stable release
[04:53] <alterim> how do i do that
[04:53] <seannyob> psusi: yeah, that's the problem, isn't it.
[04:53] <burning_bronx> and the developmant branch is currently 2.6.15-9
[04:53] <ofer0> burning_bronx, I think it's <IP_ADDRESS>...
[04:53] <Absolute0> it has acpi support right?
[04:53] <alterim> and how do i choose the last person that spoke to me's name in xchat
[04:53] <alterim> it's tab in chatzilla
[04:53] <psusi> seannyob: you can install the 32 bit versiosn in a 32 bit chroot
[04:53] <mcphail> alterim: this might not work...
[04:53] <burning_bronx> ofer0, you may be right haven't used breezy in a while
[04:53] <nico551> i need a hand with some networking in ubuntu, im a bit stuck, im trying to access a ms network through samba and i get this message when i want to browse network groups....(se further-->) ..NICO is my own pc, which is a bit wired since im not trying to connect to it, but the network groups. what is more wired is that my pass for my own pc doesnt work?! -- http://peecee.dk/?id=23418&noresize=yes (screenshot)
[04:53] <the_mr_bong_show> whats the diff between firebird clasic and super
[04:53] <mcphail> alterim: download from the mozilla site
[04:53] <barosl^win> how to turn on fontconfig debug mode?
[04:54] <psusi> seannyob: I never liked flash.. so I don't miss it
[04:54] <ofer0> psusi, yeah, flash sucks!
[04:54] <mcphail> alterim: right click on the tar file and extract it
[04:54] <labandus> hi men i'm looking for P2P Client in Ubuntu
[04:54] <seannyob> psusi: is there a chroot howto on a wiki somwhere?  and yes, flash is annoying, ofer0, but I'm a webdeveloper and i really need access to it, so my hands are tied
[04:54] <burning_bronx> mcphail, even if he does that he still has to remove the old firefox and do his fair share of symlinking
[04:55] <ofer0> labandus, which network?
[04:55] <mcphail> burning_bronx: only if he wants to run it as "firefox" direct from the command line
[04:55] <labandus> evrething that in Ubuntu works
[04:55] <psusi> seannyob: either on the wiki or a howto thread on the forums....
[04:55] <labandus> ofer0,  everything that in Ubuntu works
[04:55] <nico551> labandus, therer is a bittorrent preinstalled
[04:55] <ofer0> labandus, yeah. but you have bittorrent, gnutella, etc...
[04:55] <burning_bronx> who doesn't?
[04:55] <burning_bronx> :P
[04:55] <alterim> it's ok, i'll follow the wiki
[04:55] <alterim> doesn't seem to bad
[04:55] <burning_bronx> it is not
[04:55] <labandus> ofer0,  gnutella
[04:56] <ofer0> labandus, you can use LimeWire, it's pretty good
[04:56] <mcphail> burning_bronx: it would only be a single sim-link if he wanted to do that anyway
[04:56] <burning_bronx> alterim, you just have not to be afraid to use the command line and to learn some new stuff
[04:56] <burning_bronx> what about the flash and java stuff?
[04:56] <psusi> the gnome bittorrent client sucks... bit tornado is MUCH nicer... still light weight but gives far more information and is tweekable
[04:56] <labandus> i don't find it
[04:57] <burning_bronx> BitTornado > Azureus
[04:57] <HymnToLife> * > Aureus
[04:57] <labandus> ofer0,  i don't find it
[04:57] <mcphail> burning_bronx: would still work. just install when prompted on a page
[04:57] <psusi> Azureus is a pig of a program... no wonder... it's written in Java...
[04:57] <seannyob> psusi: basically what i'm thinking of doing is buying a haupage and using my machine as a myth pvr as well as a desktop.
[04:57] <burning_bronx> yeah but wouldn't it be easier to symlink to existing plugins?
[04:58] <the_mr_bong_show> could some one help me set up my email acounts on this Evolutuin mail
[04:58] <burning_bronx> java is evil
[04:58] <burning_bronx> but I like java games
[04:58] <burning_bronx> :P
[04:58] <mcphail> burning_bronx: not if he wants to avoid the CLI at all costs
[04:58] <burning_bronx> we're back where we started
[04:58] <burning_bronx> learn to love the cli :P
[04:58] <HymnToLife> if he wants to avoid the CLI, he shouldn't be running ubuntu in the first place
[04:59] <Foodcoman> morning
[04:59] <psusi> you should read the book "In the beginning was the command line"  very nifty book
[04:59] <the_mr_bong_show> whats CLI
[04:59] <mcphail> HymnToLife: not true. Ubuntu has a well rounded GUI.
[04:59] <HymnToLife> Command Line Interpreter
[04:59] <burning_bronx> well you could run it - but you shouldn't be afraid of a few lines in a black and white console
[04:59] <ofer0> HymnToLife, I for Interface, isn't it ?
[04:59] <the_mr_bong_show> i thought it was like the fbi lol
[04:59] <psusi> mcphail: yes... it does... but sometimes you have to go back to the command line
[04:59] <HymnToLife> or Interfece yes, it's the same
[05:00] <mcphail> psusi: yes, but not all users have to.
[05:00] <burning_bronx> Ubuntu is user-friendly but not to the point where CLI would be obsolete
[05:00] <HymnToLife> indeed
[05:00] <the_mr_bong_show> who here loves windows
[05:00] <the_mr_bong_show> xp
[05:00] <mcphail> burning_bronx: the CLI will never be obsolete. But not everyone has to use it.
[05:01] <burning_bronx> Windows ain't bad
[05:01] <burning_bronx> but it restricts people
[05:01] <burning_bronx> more or less
[05:01] <HymnToLife> rather more than less
[05:01] <the_mr_bong_show> i thought ubuntu was more restricting htan windows
[05:01] <burning_bronx> the_mr_bong_show,  it is not
[05:01] <mcphail> burning_bronx: for example, my father could use ubuntu to do everything he needs without knowing there was a CLI
[05:01] <burning_bronx> you can customize it in every way that you want
[05:02] <burning_bronx> mcphail, I know :)
[05:02] <Allan> The sudo command doesn't work. When I type "sudo ________", no matter what the blank is, it goes back to the prompt. Why is this hapenning and how do I fix it?
[05:02] <eps> the_mr_bong_show out of the box it is clean, though ubuntu users quickly change that :)
[05:02] <gnomefreak> define restricting? you can minipulate linux in anyway shape or form (for most part)
[05:02] <DeepBlueGhost> unfortunately I use Windows still.  Only for downloading from newsgroups and checking what I download.  Then reboot into linux to work with the files.
[05:02] <burning_bronx> eps, that's not entirely true - Breezy had a few flaws when released officially
[05:02] <gnomefreak> Allan, what are you typing
[05:02] <burning_bronx> yet Ubuntu is still a young distro
[05:02] <Allan> sudo echo hi
[05:03] <Allan> sudo synaptic
[05:03] <eps> DeepBlueGhost newsgroup access is done better under linux (the apps are better)
[05:03] <Ng> DeepBlueGhost: have you looked at a program called "pan"? (available in synaptic) - very nice newsgroup proram
[05:03] <Ng> +g
[05:03] <Allan> sudo apt-get remove synaptic
[05:03] <gnomefreak> you dont really need sudo for echo
[05:03] <eps> burning_bronx clean == not lots of choice and a non cluttered gui (aka kde)
[05:03] <Allan> anything sudo doesn't work
[05:03] <Allan> i know
[05:03] <eps> breezy is still broken in my opinion
[05:03] <gnomefreak> are you trying to install something?
[05:03] <eps> ffs no debian release would give you a gcc update and no kernel to go with it :P
[05:03] <burning_bronx> well it's pretty stable compaed to the first few weeks of it's release
[05:04] <DeepBlueGhost> Yeah?  Find me a GOOD binary reader.  Pan can do it, but not anything like what I want, and klibido doesn't cut it either.
[05:04] <psusi> eps: what are you talking about?
[05:04] <trappist> eps: oh but they would.
[05:04] <labandus> ofer0, ???
[05:04] <mcphail> eps: why do you need a gcc4 kernel?
[05:04] <DeepBlueGhost> Then we have the parchive command line vs. quickpar.
[05:04] <gnomefreak> to just run something its normallly the program name thats it
[05:04] <trappist> eps: my big frustration with my last debian install is that the gcc version that built the distributed kernel wasn't even available
[05:04] <the_mr_bong_show> ok im trying to install firebird 2 and mplayer and then it asks for a new password for the sysdba user what the hell
[05:04] <burning_bronx> then again eps the Debian project is ages old and Ubuntu just started 2004
[05:05] <burning_bronx> it has achieved much
[05:05] <burning_bronx> and the next release would be a milestone performance-wise
[05:05] <gnomefreak> i think i read somewhere that ubuntu was fastest growing distro out
[05:05] <burning_bronx> yeah maybe it is
[05:05] <frans-th> Where is hmb?
[05:06] <burning_bronx> but most important is - it's building it's reputiation on it's own
[05:06] <frans-th> anyone can help?
[05:06] <gnomefreak> yes that it is
[05:06] <Wonkey> whats better for me, server or default install. i want to make a router/webserver/dbserver out of mine with usb modem support
[05:06] <the_mr_bong_show> ok im trying to install firebird 2 super and then it asks for a new password for the sysdba user what the hell
[05:06] <nico551> i need a hand with some networking in ubuntu, im a bit stuck, im trying to access a ms network through samba and i get this message when i want to browse network groups....(se further-->) ..NICO is my own pc, which is a bit wired since im not trying to connect to it, but the network groups. what is more wired is that my pass for my own pc doesnt work?! -- http://peecee.dk/?id=23418&noresize=yes (screenshot)
[05:06] <burning_bronx> Wonkey, if you don't mind only running text based apps go on with the server install
[05:06] <eps> transgress that is my current frustration...I have gcc4 installed and the kernel is built on 3.4
[05:06] <burning_bronx> but for the server install you have to love the CLI
[05:06] <burning_bronx> do you love the CLI?
[05:07] <mcphail> eps: then install gcc3.4
[05:07] <eps> and grr the frikken headers for 2.6.12-9 don't match!
[05:07] <burning_bronx> eps, that's one major flaw indeed but you can install 3.4
[05:07] <eps> mcphail I did based on your advice ages ago
[05:07] <trappist> eps: you probably have 3.4 installed too.  it's not a big deal.  export CC or update your symlinks or use update-alternatives.
[05:07] <the_mr_bong_show> could some one help me set up my email acounts on this Evolutuin mail
[05:07] <eps> hihi Lukian :)
[05:07] <Lukian> hi :p
[05:07] <Wonkey> burning_bronx, thanks
[05:07] <burning_bronx> Lukian, you're look is pretty sly
[05:07] <gnomefreak> sorry wont use evo.
[05:07] <eps> I'm updating to -10 assuming ubuntu maintainers can at least get the header files right once in awhile?
[05:07] <viktor> hi all :D
[05:07] <jenda> I have an external NTFS drive. I need to resize the partition from 40 to 30 gigs. Please help me.
[05:08] <mcphail> eps: moving a whole kernel, toolchain and userspace is a major undertaking
[05:08] <Lukian> eps sent me some strange voicemails earlier burning_bronx :P
[05:08] <burning_bronx> Wonkey, you're only gonna use it as a server right?
[05:08] <viktor> what is the command to lock up so you can watch movies in ubuntu ?? i cant remember it :P
[05:08] <can-o-worms> burning_bronx: i built and installed sun-j2sdk1.5_1.5.0+update06_i386.deb but java -version still shows me java version "1.4.2-02"
[05:08] <eps> Lukian yes, we were sitting outside your house - btw get rid of that prickle grass...that hurt...
[05:08] <eps> mcphail I'm sure it is
[05:08] <burning_bronx> can-o-worms, you have to change the java alternatives
[05:08] <burning_bronx> have you done that?
[05:08] <Lukian> eps: that's natural, it doesn't go away :p
[05:09] <psusi> jenda: fire up gparted
[05:09] <can-o-worms> burning_bronx: no, how do i do that?
[05:09] <mcphail> eps: remember breezy was broken for _months_ in development because of this
[05:09] <eps> meanwhile using ubuntu has made this install take a good 2 hours more than it should have (in part thanks to my slow broadband)
[05:09] <burning_bronx> sudo update-alternatives --config java
[05:09] <eps> mcphail guess it is that short release cycle ....
[05:09] <burning_bronx> then pick the new java you installed
[05:09] <can-o-worms> burning_bronx: thanks again
[05:09] <burning_bronx> you're always welcome, friend
[05:09] <jenda> psusi: done... but it doesn't give the option to resize
[05:10] <eps> Lukian your shell was running a bit slow before...you dling lots?
[05:10] <burning_bronx> shell?
[05:10] <psusi> jenda: it doesn't?  Hrm.. you don't have it mounted do you?
[05:10] <burning_bronx> who said shell?
[05:10] <viktor> someone knows what to do to watch movie in ubuntu (i got vlc)
[05:10] <burning_bronx> I want a shell
[05:10] <eps> I did...
[05:10] <eps> sure, you can have one on my box if you want
[05:10] <burning_bronx> >.>
[05:10] <burning_bronx> what does it have on it?
[05:10] <jenda> psusi: I did - I unmounted it for this purpose - no prob to mount it again
[05:10] <Lukian> eps: i am shaped, but i do download random packages sometimes
[05:11] <eps> burning_bronx what ever I want :|
[05:11] <eps> Lukian haha we are both shapped :P
[05:11] <burning_bronx> >.>
[05:11] <Lukian> (totem-xine)
[05:11] <eps> you should throw some cat5 over to ctn's
[05:11] <burning_bronx> Lukian, but at least you got your totem working right ;)
[05:11] <psusi> jenda: I could have sworn that gparted could resize ntfs partitions... the option is just greyed out?
[05:11] <eps> and I'll hook up wireless to you guys
[05:11] <burning_bronx> I am in Bulgaria
[05:11] <eps> so yes...ubuntu is silly
[05:11] <burning_bronx> throw me wirless yeah
[05:11] <burning_bronx> >.>
[05:12] <Lukian> burning_bronx: indeed, ta :p
[05:12] <can-o-worms> burning_bronx: cool... that fixed it
[05:12] <Lukian> it seems to handle dvds better than vlc from what ive  seen so far too
[05:12] <burning_bronx> can-o-worms as I said - you're always welcome
[05:12] <psusi> jenda: well, you can do it from the command line using ntfsresize and fdisk...
[05:12] <eps> totem can deal with dvd now?
[05:12] <kenswanson> newbie,,,just downloaded jre-1_5_0_01-linux-i586.bin, to my desktop, apt-get doesn't install it, what does please?
[05:12] <burning_bronx> Totem can deal with anything
[05:12] <eps> silly debian sid is still stuck on gnome 2.10
[05:13] <izmeh> hello
[05:13] <eps> I can see 2.12 in experimental though I'm thinking I wont grab it until it comes into unstable
[05:13] <burning_bronx> and sarge is even more slugish
[05:13] <eps> sarge is stable...what do you expect?
[05:13] <burning_bronx> that's what I like 'bout 'buntu
[05:13] <the_mr_bong_show> how the hell do i set up email accounts using Evolution
[05:13] <Lukian> kennethlove: it installs itself
[05:13] <jenda> psusi: how exactly?
[05:13] <eps> stable == stable; only security updates
[05:13] <Lukian> kennethlove: makeit exectuable and run it (from terminal)
[05:13] <eps> etch is the current testing
[05:13] <burning_bronx> the_mr_bong_show, grab thunderbird ;P
[05:13] <can-o-worms> kenswanson: fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin
[05:13] <DeepBlueGhost> I couldn't even get sarge to install.  Hung halfway through the install...Ubuntu no problem....
[05:14] <the_mr_bong_show> whats thunderbird
[05:14] <kenswanson> ty canoworms, will try now
[05:14] <eps> how can one screw up a sarge install..
[05:14] <eps> that's a worry
[05:14] <Lukian> the_mr_bong_show: an email client
[05:14] <burning_bronx> Sarge is too stable for me.
[05:14] <DeepBlueGhost> mr_bong:  Email program.  Good one from mozilla...
[05:14] <can-o-worms> kenswanson: i just ran that minutes ago, you seem to have an earlier version
[05:14] <the_mr_bong_show> isnt thunderbird firebird
[05:15] <burning_bronx> as I stated I like to break things
[05:15] <eps> burning_bronx even etch is to stable for me, hence why I'm on sid
[05:15] <psusi> jenda: start with man ntfsresize... basically though you run ntfsresize and tell it to shrink the filesystem... note exactly what it's new size is in sectors, then run fdisk on the drive, use the 'u' command to put it in sector mode
[05:15] <eps> then use debian experimental :D
[05:15] <burning_bronx> I am on dapper - it is too stable too
[05:15] <kenswanson> canoworms: command not found
[05:15] <jenda> psusi: yeah...greyed out
[05:15] <psusi> jenda: delete the partition, and recreate it with the new ending sector ( start sector + new length )
[05:15] <can-o-worms> kenswanson: that won't install it though, that will just build you a deb, you'll need to run sudo dpkg -i sun.....deb after it is done
[05:15] <eps> anyway I'm not going to get any more of this done
[05:15] <eps> tonight
[05:15] <can-o-worms> kenswanson: sudo apt-get install fakeroot
[05:15] <burning_bronx> eps, what's your name on the forums?
[05:15] <eps> ubuntu is busy dling
[05:16] <eps> burning_bronx I'm not on any forums
[05:16] <psusi> jenda: but the same starting sector
[05:16] <kenswanson> doing
[05:16] <eps> (in relation to ubuntu)
[05:16] <burning_bronx> weird you're talking like a guy I saw there
[05:16] <burning_bronx> ;)
[05:16] <jenda> psusi: no go... I don't want to delet the partition :)
[05:16] <eps> burning_bronx you mean as some one who likes ubuntu but likes flaming it because ubuntu users flame debian (both for no apparrent reason)?
[05:16] <psusi> jenda: you delete it and recreate it to change the length
[05:17] <psusi> jenda: after ntfsresize shrinks the filesystem contained in the partition
[05:17] <burning_bronx> eps, he likes debian and uses ubuntu and flames ubuntu.
[05:17] <burning_bronx> dunno why
[05:17] <viktor> please i would really approciete it
[05:17] <eps> mmm well I recommend ubuntu to any one who asks (on the idea that any one who knows what they are talking about has already gone with debian or gentoo)
[05:18] <eps> and a part from some stupid things...like mr shuttleworth liking kde (yuck)...I like ubuntu :)
[05:18] <eps> I just wouldn't use it on my desktop...
[05:18] <jenda> psusi: Ok, I gotta go. thanks - no more time to do this.
[05:18] <burning_bronx> well Ubuntu is faster in development than debian
[05:18] <burning_bronx> and is better for the desktop
[05:18] <kenswanson> canoworms it doesn't like "make -jpkg, says command not found, this is after I installed fakeroot
[05:18] <eps> burning_bronx incorrect, it is on a faster release cycle
[05:18] <Mabus06> This channell is a large selling point for ubuntu, for me.
[05:18] <eps> though yes it is a better desktoip
[05:19] <bipolar> does anyone know if there is a way to kill a process that does not respond to 'kill -9' ?
[05:19] <can-o-worms> eps: i spent 2 years on both debian and gentoo, and i agree with you 100%... ubuntu is where it's at
[05:19] <burning_bronx> eps, I've been using the dapper development branch since it's start and most packages are out faster than debian's unstable/experimental
[05:19] <can-o-worms> kenswanson: fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin
[05:19] <eps> and suprisingly...with a lot of modification...a very IT-department-switching-from-windows-to-linux-servers friendly server os
[05:19] <the_mr_bong_show> how do i install thunderbird
[05:19] <coNP> kenswanson, use "make-jpkg"
[05:19] <eps> burning_bronx yes but our packages at least work by the time they make it to stable
[05:20] <trappist> make-jpkg is pretty great
[05:20] <eps> unlike this stupid situation with gcc
[05:20] <burning_bronx> eps you can fix gcc easy enough
[05:20] <burning_bronx> anyway
[05:20] <trappist> eps: export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4
[05:20] <eps> burning_bronx I shouldn't need to fix it
[05:20] <eps> if my mother can't do it it shouldn't be in ubuntu
[05:20] <eps> desktop motto
[05:20] <burning_bronx> so your mother needs to compile stuff?
[05:21] <eps> sssh!
[05:21] <burning_bronx> o_O;
[05:21] <eps> ...she needs nvidia drivers :P
[05:21] <trappist> eps: you're just trolling now.  you have two different compilers, and it defaults to the newer, shinier one, and you're complaining?
[05:21] <can-o-worms> kenswanson: then when you are done you probably need to run sudo update-alternatives --config java
[05:21] <eps> trappist yes, there shouldn't be a lag between a new gcc and a kernel built under it in a stable distro
[05:21] <trappist> eps: tell her to apt-get install the nvidia drivers.
[05:21] <Xperience> lol
[05:21] <eps> eww apt-get
[05:21] <Xperience> eps www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:21] <burning_bronx> and edit xorg.conf
[05:22] <can-o-worms> eps: if you want to get your mother to do it then install windows
[05:22] <burning_bronx> apt-get owns you.
[05:22] <eps> Xperience has that been updated yet?
[05:22] <trappist> eps: why is that, exactly?  I don't know that the new compiler's been out long enough to trust kernels built with it.
[05:22] <Xperience> i dunno
[05:22] <Xperience> but its useful
[05:22] <can-o-worms> it is well known fact that mothers can only windows
[05:22] <psycose> the_mr_bong_show http://ubuntuguide.squarecows.com/doku.php
[05:22] <Xperience> Windows pwns moms everywhere
[05:23] <the_mr_bong_show> can someone give a link to some great ubuntu themes or wallpapers please
[05:23] <stuen> trying to install ubuntu 5.1 on an acer travelmate 4650 series laptop, it hangs on the first install screen after the booting kernal message any thoughts?
[05:23] <eps> trappist it works like this, apply the default updates, try to compile a kernel module (vmware...some thing my father would try and install) and find out...oh wait! no kernels with it!
[05:23] <eps> and would you look at that! folks wouldn't have a clue why it is broken
[05:23] <can-o-worms> eps: you are a real family dude
[05:23] <eps> ontop of that once you get the right gcc the headers are broken!
[05:23] <kenswanson> canoworms: /usr/bin/fakeroot: line 150: make-jpkg: command not found
[05:23] <john2k> !floppy
[05:23] <ubotu> I don't know, john2k
[05:23] <bipolar> eps: the latest vmware includes ubuntu kernel modules.
[05:23] <burning_bronx> xD
[05:23] <eps> can-o-worms every one in my family runs ubuntu, except for myself
[05:24] <Xperience> is it me or is there a new kernel every 2 weeks?
[05:24] <eps> bipolar sure, you going to pay for it for me? :P
[05:24] <burning_bronx> and my family thinks I am a freak using linux >.>
[05:24] <Xperience> eps who pays for anything anymore?
[05:24] <eps> burning_bronx takes about three years to convert a windows family to linux :P
[05:24] <can-o-worms> kenswanson: you got me man... it just worked for me, ask burning_bronx
[05:24] <bipolar> eps: you can compile a kernel module, your dad can pay for latest vmware.
[05:24] <burning_bronx> my mother only plays games with linux
[05:24] <eps> Xperience ... I cbf torrenting 5 when I have 4.5 legit then
[05:24] <burning_bronx> and the games she plays are wine emulated
[05:24] <john2k> anyone know who to fix "Error: given UDI is not a mountable volume" when  trying to access a floppy drive?
[05:25] <Xperience> why pay for shit when you can get it for free?
[05:25] <eps> so you guys are making excuses about a problem that several people have said is a major bug, instead of thinking of ways to avoid it in future...so yes, an imature project
[05:25] <can-o-worms> eps: then ask everyone else in your family why you shouldn't compile a kernel with the latest gcc
[05:25] <Xperience> i know if you could donwload cars off the net i would have a ferrari
[05:25] <burning_bronx> eps, we are not making excuses
[05:25] <eps> yes you are
[05:25] <burning_bronx> we are giving you solutions till Dapper
[05:25] <can-o-worms> eps: the forums tell you all about it
[05:25] <viktor> please can someone help we so i ccan watch movies on my comp i have installed vlc but i still cant watch movies :(:( i know there is a command i have to write cus of the legal stuff
[05:26] <eps> you are throwing everything back as if it is my fault for trying to install some thing
[05:26] <burning_bronx> so you could stop whine
[05:26] <burning_bronx> no no no
[05:26] <bipolar> no one should have to compile a kernel module to get a working system. They should all be there.
[05:26] <burning_bronx> simply giving you the solution to fix your problems till the problems are fixed >.>
[05:26] <the_mr_bong_show> can someone give a link to some great ubuntu themes or wallpapers please
[05:26] <bipolar> if the module is not there, it is unsupported by ubuntu and the software that needs the module should handle it's creation.
[05:27] <Xperience> anyone use tovid?
[05:27] <Xperience> i think its great
[05:27] <eps> burning_bronx none of you have done that, except for mcphail - and I'm already well on the way to having the problem fixed.  I am just trying to see if this project is even interested in thinking of ways to stop this happening
[05:27] <Stormx2> Xperience: tovid?
[05:27] <burning_bronx> it is
[05:27] <eps> or maybe...just maybe...stealing the solution from debian or gentoo :D
[05:27] <Xperience> www.tovid.sourceforge.net
[05:27] <Stormx2> the_mr_bong_show: Try gnome-look.org
[05:27] <can-o-worms> eps: linux sucks in general , everything you try to do is an effort, takes time and reading... head scratching and nail biting.... get over it
[05:27] <kenswanson> canoworms:  sudo update-alternatives --config java  worked, thank you very much
[05:27] <Stonekeeper> hi. I need to find out what specs my RAM is. Is there a H/W diagnostic tool for ubuntu?
[05:27] <the_mr_bong_show> ty
[05:27] <burning_bronx> eps, you're being a troll >.>
[05:28] <eps> can-o-worms no, ubuntu is a 'desktop' distro, it's point is that linux is simple
[05:28] <Stormx2> the_mr_bong_show: That place is pretty much overrun with ubuntu wallpapers
[05:28] <eps> burning_bronx from my point of view it is several of you who are being the trolls
[05:28] <eps> and it is getting annoying
[05:28] <psusi> Stonekeeper: what kind of specs?
[05:28] <john2k> I think linux is great
[05:28] <burning_bronx> eps concider you may be wrong and you may be the one being annoying ;)
[05:28] <the_mr_bong_show> thank you
[05:28] <burning_bronx> just... think about it
[05:28] <burning_bronx> ;)
[05:29] <Stormx2> john2k: Don't we all? =D
[05:29] <Xperience> GUI's kick ass
[05:29] <eps> burning_bronx I did think about that, though I came to the conclusion that since we are both on different pages this conversation wasn't going to go anywhere, and it hasn't
[05:29] <can-o-worms> eps: don't you read slashdot? if you did you'd know linux isn't ready for the desktop
[05:29] <john2k> You knoa what is head-scratching? Having to phone microsft to get a 40 digit reg number :-)
[05:29] <Xperience> lol
[05:29] <eps> (but I have 30 minutes to kill while I fix up ubuntus mistake by updating the kernel)
[05:29] <psusi> Stonekeeper: when you boot up, choose the option to run memtest86 from the grub boot menu... it will test the memory for errors, and give some information about it
[05:29] <eps> john2k gah had to do that for ten systems in the row the other day :|
[05:29] <psusi> can-o-worms: is that trolling or are you attempting to be funny?
[05:30] <the_mr_bong_show> should i be worried about hackers virus spyware addware
[05:30] <can-o-worms> psusi: take your pick
[05:30] <burning_bronx> love Microsoft - you pay them to ruin your system
[05:30] <psusi> the_mr_bong_show: no
[05:30] <john2k> not fun... I always leave it till the last muinute and the windows stops working lol
[05:30] <the_mr_bong_show> ok
[05:31] <john2k> and thats with something I PAID for
[05:31] <burning_bronx> yeah
[05:31] <eps> burning_bronx I love my job, on the windows systems solutions are always hack fixes that hold until you do some thing else, while when working on unix systems (excluding AIX...what was IBM thinking...seriously) everything has a clear and simple (normally) solution that truely fixes the issue
[05:31] <eps> none of this reboot and pray crap
[05:32] <st3f> eps what is your job?
[05:32] <burning_bronx> truth.
[05:32] <eps> (which I will note worked very nicely on a black berry server the other day :P)
[05:32] <Stormx2> eps: Thats because linux is transparent in every way.
[05:32] <burning_bronx> and now with Vista coming out soon
[05:32] <burning_bronx> the windows users will get a lot more graphical feel to what screws em up >.>
[05:32] <eps> normally IT techsupport (tier 1 & 2 ...and 3 if we cbf waiting on the phone), though at the moment I'm acting IT manager (covering eight sites over two states - eg hell)
[05:32] <gnomefreak>   vista will be out 2007
[05:32] <InitMass> why can't i use synaptic for upgrades sometimes but only apt-get upgrade?
[05:32] <Stormx2> Vista sucks >.<
[05:33] <DRK13> Hi kids and dogs
[05:33] <burning_bronx> DRK13, it's geeks and dogs
[05:33] <Stormx2> For those without much ram, it will suck bit time
[05:33] <burning_bronx> mind your tongue
[05:33] <Stormx2> I hated XP. I use windows 98 and 2000 when I need to.
[05:33] <st3f> i think he's right
[05:33] <DRK13> lol  @ Vista.    2Gigs of ram to make it look like Linux
[05:33] <Stormx2> haha
[05:33] <Stormx2> Apparently it has a unix kernel
[05:33] <john2k> lol
[05:33] <burning_bronx> Stormx2, all demonstrations of Vista are on systems with AT LEAST 1gig
[05:33] <burning_bronx> of ram
[05:34] <eps> 2k/xp is a godsend in the business world...if you can't use linux/mac at least there is a semi working os that every one will install
[05:34] <Stormx2> burning_bronx: I have 256 Im screwed
[05:34] <Ng> this isn't a windows channel guys
[05:34] <can-o-worms> Stormx2: vista will be cool.... XP needs some new icons
[05:34] <Xperience> anyone know a good lil prog to resize a partition so i can install win98?
[05:34] <eps> lol can-o-worms
[05:34] <burning_bronx> Stormx2, dun tell me you wanted to use vista
[05:34] <l0s3rk1d> Xperience: i use partition magic in windows
[05:34] <eps> can-o-worms and any annoying semi transperant glass that makes it hard to read the window name :P
[05:34] <burning_bronx> I don't theme my windows
[05:34] <DRK13> I want to install WinMe!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:34] <Stormx2> burning_bronx: Not at all. if its anything like XP then no.
[05:34] <burning_bronx> it sucks even with pretty bars
[05:34] <psusi> eps: yea... we threw a party at my former job the day we dropped support for 95... heh
[05:34] <Ng> Xperience: gparted should be fine for that
[05:34] <Xperience> l0s3rk1d i dont ave windows installed
[05:34] <Stormx2> burning_bronx: I had a copy of Windows 1
[05:34] <john2k> Vista... a new ms o/s with new ms bugs :-)
[05:35] <eps> psusi ;P
[05:35] <psusi> Xperience: gparted
[05:35] <burning_bronx> Stormx2, I only started using windows 3.1
[05:35] <funkyHat> How can I make Qt apps look nicer in Gnome?
[05:35] <burning_bronx> I still think windows 3.1 is the most stable ;)
[05:35] <eps> burning_bronx then your memory is crap
[05:35] <Xperience> Ng can i resize the hd with gparted while in linux or do i need to make a boot floppy or something
[05:35] <burning_bronx> funkyHat, sudo apt-get install qutconfig
[05:35] <eps> I had to fix a 3.1 box the other day
[05:35] <Stormx2> burning_bronx: Haha damn right. Thats cause it was just pretty DOS
[05:35] <can-o-worms> burning_bronx: win95 is damn fast
[05:35] <eps> ...and by fix I mean ...I broke it more
[05:35] <the_mr_bong_show> i need help deting up my email acounts on thunderbird
[05:35] <DRK13> Vista is funny, talk about a memory hog
[05:35] <Ng> Xperience: ah, yeah you probably don't want to do it while you're in linux
[05:35] <burning_bronx> funkyHat, sudo apt-get install qutconfig
[05:35] <the_mr_bong_show> seti ngup*
[05:35] <eps> did you realise 3.1 had no driver support if you changed some thing on it!
[05:35] <burning_bronx> then run qtconfig and edit the stuff
[05:35] <psusi> Xperience: use the ubuntu livecd
[05:36] <eps> kk bed time
[05:36] <eps> later all
[05:36] <gnomefreak> setting up and what mail accounts are you trying to set up?
[05:36] <Stormx2> Linux is leaps and bounds better than anything microsoft can throw up.
[05:36] <DRK13> bed? where do you live?
[05:36] <Xperience> the ubuntu cd will let me resize and create a fat32 partition?
[05:36] <Ng> Xperience: you could use the Live CD, or parted
[05:36] <hans> netherlands
[05:36] <Stormx2> hans: try #ubuntu-nl
[05:36] <psusi> Xperience: yes...
[05:36] <Wonkey> what kernal should i install that already has ppp surport ?
[05:37] <Xperience> kk
[05:37] <Wonkey> 2.6 ?
[05:37] <psusi> Wonkey: the one ubuntu installs for you
[05:37] <the_mr_bong_show> i need help seting up my email acounts on thunderbird like what my incoming sever and out and what do i use pop or imap
[05:37] <burning_bronx> Wonkey, just get the latest 2.6.* for your distro?
[05:37] <can-o-worms> Stormx2: better doesn't mean anything... it is a show of hands that counts... and look who is in the whitehouse
[05:37] <hans> join ubuntu-nl
[05:37] <funkyHat> burning_bronx, what repository is qutconfig in?
[05:37] <adroc> has anyone installed nessus 3 on ubuntu?
[05:37] <Stormx2> hans: /join #ubuntu-nl
[05:37] <burning_bronx> funkyHat, it's qtconfig
[05:37] <burning_bronx> I misspelled it
[05:37] <gnomefreak> the_mr_bong_show,  what accounts are they gmail,hotmail,bellsouth?
[05:37] <burning_bronx> it's in the universe I think
[05:37] <funkyHat> burning_bronx, that's not there either
[05:37] <Wonkey> burning_bronx, i had errors installing the base system. now i have to pick my kernel and its not automatic
[05:37] <the_mr_bong_show> hotmail and yahoo
[05:38] <gnomefreak> hotmail and yahoo i think are both pop
[05:38] <Stormx2> I think hotmail stopped their POP and SMTP services?
[05:38] <burning_bronx> funkyHat, make sure you have universe enabled
[05:38] <john2k> yahoo.com isnt pop
[05:38] <john2k> yahoo.co.uk is
[05:38] <the_mr_bong_show> ok then how do set up the sever stuff
[05:39] <gnomefreak> and you would have to check with thier sites to find out if its pop.hotmail.com or not for incomming and outgoing i think would be smtp.hotmail.com
[05:39] <adroc> has anyone installed nessus 3 on ubuntu?
[05:39] <burning_bronx> then do sudo apt-get install qtconfig
[05:39] <funkyHat> burning_bronx, yes I do, it's qt3-qtconfig ;)
[05:39] <burning_bronx> is it?
[05:39] <Stormx2> the_mr_bong_show: What mail client are you using? Evolution?
[05:39] <burning_bronx> o_O;
[05:39] <burning_bronx> hmmm
[05:39] <the_mr_bong_show> thunderbird
[05:39] <burning_bronx> sorry for the misleading info then funkyHat
[05:39] <Stormx2> the_mr_bong_show: Never used it. Just check the site for reference on how to set it up, it will give you all the information
[05:39] <burning_bronx> the command is qtconfig tho
[05:40] <the_mr_bong_show> ok thank you
[05:40] <Stormx2> Im gonna go play gamecube. Cya later.
[05:40] <funkyHat> burning_bronx, what I was after though was a qt engine that would use my GTK+2 theme :), althoug ha Clearlooks theme for Qt would do fine :)
[05:40] <funkyHat> burning_bronx, don't worry about it :)
[05:40] <adroc> has anyone installed nessus 3 on ubuntu?
[05:40] <burning_bronx> funkyHat, I thought you just wanted to make your Qt apps look better in gnome
[05:41] <^rob^> what package provides sys/types.h?
[05:41] <funkyHat> burning_bronx, yes, better would be good, but 'like my gnome apps' would be perfect :)
[05:41] <zenlunatic> anyone know what "lg byte" stands for on laserjet 4000 n printers in ip settings?
[05:41] <gnomefreak> the_mr_bong_show, the way to find out servers would be at thier site meaning server for hotmail should say it in hotmails help part in setting up outlook/evo it is same server for all the thunderbird type mail clients
[05:41] <burning_bronx> funkyHat, if you know what font and style ur gnome theme is using you can make it from qtconfig
[05:41] <gnomefreak> i have my gmail on thunderbird thats it
[05:41] <burning_bronx> just experiment
[05:42] <gnomefreak> gmail=pop.gmail.com
[05:42] <burning_bronx> I only have qtconfig cause of skype
[05:42] <gnomefreak> :)
[05:42] <the_mr_bong_show> ok thank you
[05:42] <gnomefreak> yw
[05:42] <Lukian> i wonder if i can get X-tetris to work under ubuntu
[05:42] <burning_bronx> Lukian, why not?
[05:42] <gnomefreak> whos familier with shell scripting?
[05:42] <tux> i cant login! it says cant write to home/tux/.ICE authority something....HELP!
[05:42] <Lukian> burning_bronx: 'cause it's a win32 app? :p
[05:43] <coNP> ^rob^, libc6-dev
[05:43] <burning_bronx> Lukian, wine?
[05:43] <burning_bronx> I use it for small games like that
[05:43] <Lukian> hehe
[05:43] <Lukian> neat
[05:43] <adroc> has anyone installed nessus 3 on ubuntu?
[05:43] <^rob^> coNP: thanks
[05:43] <Lukian> i shall see :D
[05:44] <burning_bronx> Lukian, there is a Tetris game in Ubuntu
[05:44] <burning_bronx> why do you need X-tetris?
[05:45] <Dr_Willis> get 'tong' its tetris-pong !
[05:45] <tux> i cant login! it says cant write to home/tux/.ICE authority something....HELP me plz!
[05:45] <Lukian> burning_bronx: because it's X-rated?
[05:45] <burning_bronx> awwwww
[05:45] <burning_bronx> that tetrix
[05:45] <burning_bronx> now I remember
[05:45] <burning_bronx> :P
[05:45] <Lukian> ;)
[05:46] <Lukian> i almost made 10,000 on it too
[05:46] <Lukian> no idea what happens then :o
[05:46] <burning_bronx> well if you're comfortable with wine you can go on and get it
[05:46] <Lukian> yeah, downloading wine now
[05:46] <Dr_Willis> X rated Tetris? :p
[05:46] <burning`dinner> I have to go eat
[05:46] <burning`dinner> be back soon
[05:46] <Lukian> Dr_Willis: yeah, the pieces are people.
[05:47] <burning`dinner> and you make sex poses
[05:47] <Dr_Willis> Lukian, Cool!
[05:47] <burning`dinner> a sweet memory from my childhood
[05:47] <burning`dinner> :P
[05:47] <burning`dinner> k
[05:47] <tux> :(
[05:47] <burning`dinner> dinner now
[05:47] <Dr_Willis> googling now....
[05:47] <burning`dinner> tux, check if you have write permissions for ~/.ICE
[05:47] <burning`dinner> maybe u did someting to totally mess it >.>
[05:47] <burning`dinner> k
[05:48] <tux> burning`dinner: i dont think i have...what next?
[05:48] <burning`dinner> away now
[05:48] <burning`dinner> k just chmod ~/.ICE to 0777 and try loggin in again
[05:48] <burning`dinner> sheesh
[05:48] <burning`dinner> I can't have my dinner
[05:48] <burning`dinner> it's chicken stew
[05:48] <burning`dinner> away now
[05:48] <tux> what should be default permissions for home config files?
[05:48] <Dr_Willis> Lukian,  the x-tetris i found downlioad was named 'winrar.zip' - thats scary
[05:49] <tux> burning`dinner: happy dinner:)
[05:49] <Lukian> Dr_Willis: hehe, nice ;)
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> Lukian,  Oh wait - that was a browser/winrar issue.. it then changed the name right after it downklioaded. :P
[05:49] <burning`dinner> tux you should just drwxr-xr-x it
[05:49] <burning`dinner> the home foldier
[05:50] <Space> hi
[05:50] <tux> burning`dinner: whats the number for that?
[05:50] <burning`dinner> and give full read/right permissions to the god damn ICE
[05:50] <tux> burning`dinner: should i use -R?
[05:50] <Lukian> Dr_Willis:  ;)
[05:50] <Lukian> let me know how it goes under wine (including sound) ? :D
[05:50] <Lukian> "ooooooooh!"
[05:50] <Lukian> "ahhhhhhhhhhhh!"
[05:51] <Lukian> "eeeeeeeooooo!"
[05:51] <Lukian> "neigh!"
[05:51] <burning`dinner> tux, just try doing this to the home foldier and try giving full read/right permissions to the /.ICE
[05:51] <burning`dinner> check if you can login
[05:51] <burning`dinner> bbl
[05:51] <kenswanson> have realplayer10gold.bin, will the apt-get install it?
[05:52] <bluefoxicy> dapper froze.
[05:52] <the_mr_bong_show> i checked hotmail and thay dont have anything in there about how to set up outlook
[05:52] <Lukian> kenswanson: make it executable and run it (from terminal) .
[05:52] <kenswanson> to make it executable to you just rename it? sorry, new
[05:54] <trappist> kenswanson: chmod +x filename
[05:54] <psycose> kenswanson $ man chmod
[05:54] <kenswanson> ty
[05:55] <the_mr_bong_show> Access your e-mail account from Microsoft Outlook Express
[05:55] <the_mr_bong_show> To protect our users from the increasing amount of unsolicited junk e-mail and spam sent from MSN Hotmail accounts through Outlook and Outlook Express, we have reluctantly had to restrict the new use of Outlook and Outlook Express to subscribers.
[05:55] <Di42lo> hello
[05:56] <Di42lo> how do i restart X here ?
[05:56] <the_mr_bong_show> hello
[05:56] <Di42lo> `killall X` doesnt work
[05:56] <Dr_Willis> Lukian,  Ok - thats going in the wifes 'Start up Folder' on her XP box. :P
[05:56] <Stormx2> Ctrl + Alt + backspace
[05:56] <johnl> the_mr_bong_show, haha
[05:56] <Di42lo> and how do i start it again ?
[05:56] <Lukian> Dr_Willis: hehehehhehe
[05:56] <Lukian> she'll like it? ;)
[05:56] <ivanjmg> hi people
[05:56] <trappist> Di42lo: it'll restart itself
[05:56] <Di42lo> thx
[05:56] <funkyHat> Di42lo, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart, or quick and dirty: ctrl+alt+backspace
[05:56] <Stormx2> Di42lo: That restarts it
[05:56] <Di42lo> ok
[05:56] <Wonkey> my kernel had problems installing. what would the the problem?
[05:56] <viktor> someone got to know how to watch movies in ubuntu ??
[05:56] <Stormx2> Di42lo: Ctrl + Alt + backspace
[05:56] <funkyHat> Di42lo, both of those will restart, if you want to stop, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[05:57] <Wonkey> it said there was a log, but i don't nkow what editing program the 'ash' shell has on the install
[05:57] <Denstark> Isn't it /etc/init.d/xdm? or does gdm have its own service in ubuntu?
[05:57] <Dr_Willis> Lukian,  :P perhaps she will get some ideas.
[05:57] <Denstark> Ah, why yes it is gdm.. hrm.
[05:57] <Denstark> =)
[05:57] <psusi> Denstark: gdm is the desktop manager
[05:57] <Lukian> Dr_Willis: excellent ;)
[05:57] <Denstark> Yes, I know.
[05:57] <funkyHat> Denstark, yes, gdm or kdm in ubuntu ;)
[05:59] <Denstark> I used to use Gentoo. In xorg.conf you would have to define DISPLAYMANAGER="gdm" (For example)
[05:59] <Denstark> and then start/stop xdm
[06:00] <Denstark> Actually, I Still use Gentoo, only for server though
[06:02] <Eleaf> hi
[06:02] <Eleaf> hi BenC
[06:02] <Eleaf> lol
[06:02] <freelove> why is gnome so slow? some things take ages to open up!
[06:02] <Eleaf> freelove, what are you computer stats?
[06:02] <the_mr_bong_show> whats a png
[06:02] <BenC> hello
[06:02] <funkyHat> Denstark, Gentoo is nice for some things :P
[06:02] <Eleaf> It's a image format
[06:02] <Denstark> the_mr_bong_show, its a image file format
[06:02] <the_mr_bong_show> ok
[06:02] <the_mr_bong_show> ty
[06:02] <Denstark> Kind of like Gif, JPG, BMP, etc.
[06:02] <deltron> gentoo is good for crashing ;)
[06:03] <freelove> Eleaf: intel celeron, 256mb ram....pclinuxos is more snappier even in live mode.
[06:03] <Eleaf> it has transperancy and is fairly good quality
[06:03] <Eleaf> freelove, I see, how long is it taking for some things?
[06:03] <Wonkey> my new install of ubuntu has had problems installing the kernel from a brand new download iso. what could be the problem ?
[06:04] <funkyHat> deltron, hahaha, never had trouble with that... apart from the time my mate pulled the plug on the recording box in the studio...
[06:04] <funkyHat> While Ardour was running no less
[06:04] <burning`dinner> k back
[06:05] <freelove> Eleaf: things like destop prefs, sometimes synaptic, mostly config things..
[06:05] <Eleaf> freelove, hours?
[06:06] <freelove> Eleaf: lol....no
[06:06] <deltron> last time I did an emerge on gentoo (was several years ago granted), it decided it would also like to remove /etc
[06:06] <freelove> close to 30secs.or more....dunno exactly...
[06:07] <burning_bronx> damn I really need to put on them gloves but then I won't be able to type
[06:07] <Denstark> Get a space heater, BurgerMann
[06:07] <Denstark> err
[06:07] <deltron> lol
[06:07] <Denstark> burning_bronx*
[06:07] <Denstark> DAMN U TAB COMPLETION.
[06:07] <burning_bronx> Denstark, I have
[06:07] <Eleaf> freelove, when you move your mouse around, does it sometimes skip?
[06:07] <Denstark> =)
[06:07] <burning_bronx> but it's still cold
[06:07] <burning_bronx> Denstark, try using 3 letters for tab complete
[06:07] <Denstark> yeah, I'm going to have to.
[06:07] <funkyHat> deltron, wow, ouch
[06:08] <Denstark> By the way, the stuff I was typing elrier wasn't me. It was a friend who thought he would be funny.
[06:08] <Printer> Morning all.
[06:08] <Denstark> Don't want you to be mad at me forever.
[06:08] <burning_bronx> Denstark, did you type?
[06:08] <Denstark> No, he did
[06:08] <Denstark> But it came out on my name lawl.
[06:08] <burning_bronx> I meant what did you type?
[06:08] <Stormx2> Woop just installed FF 1.5
[06:08] <Denstark> Oh.
[06:08] <Stormx2> and it worked this time
[06:08] <Stormx2> heh
[06:09] <Printer> Does anyone have gnomebaker running in dapper?  All I get is *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x081cefa8 ***
[06:09] <Denstark> Nothing ;-)
[06:09] <trappist> Printer: dapper is unstable and unsupported
[06:09] <burning_bronx> >.>
[06:09] <Denstark> wow
[06:09] <Eleaf> dpper dapper dapper
[06:09] <Denstark> mt.
[06:09] <freelove> Eleaf: when things get too slow.then only...
[06:10] <freelove> gnomebaker should be replaced with k3b:)
[06:10] <gnomefreak> !/bin/sh =bash right?
[06:10] <ubotu> gnomefreak: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[06:10] <burning_bronx> Printer, I think gnomebaker is kinda broken
[06:10] <trappist> gnomefreak: not exactly
[06:10] <Denstark> /bin/bash = bash
[06:10] <Denstark> /bin/sh is a basic shell, I think
[06:10] <gnomefreak> im using gnome term is that good or bad?
[06:10] <cmatheson> gnomefreak: yes you're right.  sh is just bash on most linux systems
[06:10] <Denstark> Gnome term is fine, why not?
[06:11] <trappist> sh is a symlink to bash and causes bash to run with backward compatibility with sh
[06:11] <gnomefreak> its  not working :(
[06:11] <tonyyarusso> How can I pass a text file that is a list of servers to a program where servers are part of the argument?  It's netselect, the usage is "sudo netselect server1 server2 server3", and I want to make it do a lot of servers at once without retyping the whole list.
[06:11] <gnomefreak> i posted it in forum and one guy said it works for him :(
[06:11] <burning_bronx> gnomefreak, it could be working for him
[06:12] <burning_bronx> but it's generally broken ;P
[06:12] <trappist> gnomefreak: "not working" is a poor description of the problem
[06:12] <burning_bronx> I get the invalid pointer error too
[06:12] <burning_bronx> maybe I should debuf this >.>
[06:12] <burning_bronx> *debuf
[06:12] <burning_bronx> *debug
[06:12] <tonyyarusso> I'd also like to know why netselect-apt thinks I am behind a firewall that's blocking traceroute, when to my knowledge I don't currently have a firewall installed.
[06:12] <burning_bronx> damn typing
[06:13] <Ng> tonyyarusso: from memory this might do the trick: cat /path/to/some/list.txt | xargs sudo netselect
[06:13] <HighHopes> Folks, which is the package I must install to recompile kernel?
[06:13] <tonyyarusso> Ng: What's xargs do?
[06:13] <the_mr_bong_show> what folder is the defult for wallpapes
[06:13] <cmatheson> tonyyarusso: you coulod do something like 'for i in `cat foo.txt` ; do sudo netselect $i ; done'\
[06:14] <Ng> tonyyarusso: it takes a vertical list and makes it horizontal - run "cat servers.txt | xargs echo" and you'll see
[06:14] <cmatheson> the_mr_bong_show: there isn't one, you just import them w/ the gnome-background dialog
[06:14] <tonyyarusso> cmatheson, I don't understand that one at all.
[06:14] <[A] ndy80> how can I change the default font for KDE applications in Ubuntu?
[06:14] <gnomefreak> here is the link has everything http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=395664
[06:14] <tonyyarusso> Ng: Ah.  That might do it.  Let's see...
[06:14] <cmatheson> tonyyarusso: it works. read the bash man page or something if you don't understand the syntax
[06:14] <gnomefreak> it worked using ./logins but the book says to use "logins" and thats it
[06:15] <Xenguy> Hi - if I'm buying a new box, does it matter whether it comes with ATI or Nvidia (i.e. is one better supported in Ubuntu than the other?) ?
[06:15] <tonyyarusso> Ng: That seems to be working I think.
[06:16] <Ng> Xenguy: at this stage nvidia is better supported
[06:16] <Denstark> <3 Nvidia
[06:16] <cmatheson> Xenguy: i've heard that ati support sucks (but that's just what i haer).  the lame binary drivers for nvidia have always worked very well for me though
[06:16] <tonyyarusso> cmatheson, Ng's idea seems to be working, so I'll write down yours for another day when I understand more.
[06:16] <Denstark> I don't buy ATI Cards cause their support for linux is the suxx..
[06:17] <Xenguy> Ng cmatheson Denstark  thanks
[06:17] <Denstark> No problem
[06:17] <cmatheson> tonyyarusso: yeah, xargs is probably a more elegant approach
[06:17] <Denstark> Get dual 7800GTX's
[06:17] <Denstark> =D
[06:17] <Eleaf> what's bad with ati and ubuntu?
[06:17] <Xenguy> !ati
[06:17] <ubotu> ati is probably at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[06:18] <tonyyarusso> Eleaf, I've heard of people having trouble with drivers, but apparently not always, since I have ATI and it's fine.
[06:18] <cmatheson> Eleaf: not necessarily a problem w/ ati and ubuntu as far as i know... it's more of like a problem w/ ati and linux in general (lousy driver support and what not)
[06:18] <the_mr_bong_show> how do i change the login screen
[06:19] <Eleaf> cmatheson, tonyyarusso ok, because I just got an ati card, and I'm hoping it will work alright.. = p
[06:19] <dave> Hi, is there somthing like make.conf in ubuntu
[06:19] <Ng> no
[06:19] <tonyyarusso> Ng or cmatheson: Any thoughts on the firewall thing?
[06:20] <Ng> tonyyarusso: no, but you could try traceroute -I
[06:21] <Armagguedes> hello
[06:21] <Denstark> hi
[06:21] <tonyyarusso> Ng: That would do it.  Command not found.
[06:21] <cmatheson> tonyyarusso: i'm not sure what firewall thing you're talking about
[06:22] <trappist> me neither
[06:22] <Ng> tonyyarusso: apt-get install traceroute :)
[06:22] <cmatheson> tonyyarusso: sudo aptitude install traceroute
[06:22] <tonyyarusso> cmatheson, It was mentioned at the top; another program was confused and suggested it might be a firewall issue.
[06:22] <Ng> tonyyarusso: or mtr is installed by default
[06:22] <Armagguedes> i've just dl'ed OOo2.0.1 in a tar-gz format, and used alien to turn those RPMs to DEBs.
[06:22] <Armagguedes> what do i need to do to install OOo now?
[06:22] <tonyyarusso> Ng: mtr being?
[06:23] <Ng> matt's traceroute
[06:23] <tonyyarusso> Ng: Ah.
[06:24] <Lukian> Armagguedes: dpkg -i filename
[06:24] <gnomefreak> ok im thinking i got answer i was looking for i hope
[06:25] <burning_bronx> I is back
[06:25] <Lukian> hey burning
[06:25] <Lukian> i'm off to bed when this dl is done
[06:25] <Lukian> that's ~1min
[06:25] <burning_bronx> what you dlin?
[06:25] <Lukian> wine :p
[06:26] <burning_bronx> lol
[06:26] <burning_bronx> you know how to operate wine?
[06:26] <Lukian> i'll figure it out :)
[06:26] <gnomefreak> good luck ;)
[06:26] <burning_bronx> good boy ;) read the manual and it'll be fine ;)
[06:26] <burning_bronx> that's how I learned :P
[06:26] <Lukian> fuck the manual! :D
[06:26] <Lukian> trial and error ftw
[06:26] <Lukian> :D
[06:26] <Lukian> hehe
[06:26] <burning_bronx> >.>
[06:27] <burning_bronx> man > world
[06:27] <Lukian> world would include man
[06:27] <Lukian> so man > man?
[06:27] <khermans> 8[06:27] <burning_bronx> hmm
[06:27] <burning_bronx> world >= man
[06:27] <burning_bronx> >.>
[06:28] <burning_bronx> oops
[06:28] <Lukian> ni ni all
[06:28] <burning_bronx> I meant man >= world
[06:28] <burning_bronx> my bad
[06:28] <burning_bronx> night
[06:28] <thesaltydog> while upgradibg to dapper, it tries to remove xmkmf, together with a lot of stuff..
[06:29] <burning_bronx> thesaltydog, it also wants to remove hotplug >.>
[06:29] <burning_bronx> cause it's OBSOLETE
[06:29] <thesaltydog> also
[06:29] <lnostdal> hello, when apt-get is about to upgrade stuff, is it possible to get more info about changes between versions of packages?
[06:29] <thesaltydog> but if I go ahead, I will get a lot of unment dependencies..
[06:30] <Denstark> hi
[06:30] <burning_bronx> thesaltydog, you're doing dist-upgrade right?
[06:30] <thesaltydog> yep
[06:30] <burning_bronx> there should be no problem
[06:30] <thesaltydog> now I'm stuck.
[06:30] <Nastydog> Hi
[06:30] <thaytan> g'day
[06:31] <Nastydog> i need to configurate my internet
[06:31] <Nastydog> how i do
[06:31] <ninja> Having slight difficulties here.. I burned ubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso to a disc with "burn image" in nero, but it's not bootable. What am I doing wrong?
[06:31] <burning_bronx> thesaltydog, dapper doesn't use xmkmf currently >.>
[06:31] <lnostdal> Nastydog, in the menu  System -> Administration -> Networking
[06:31] <burning_bronx> cause it's using Xorg 7
[06:31] <thesaltydog> now I'm upgrading. I will tell you were it stops..
[06:32] <burning_bronx> I doubt there would be any problems
[06:32] <burning_bronx> :)
[06:32] <mp3guy> is there a way to get video thumbnail previews in nautilus?
[06:32] <Nastydog> and
[06:32] <burning_bronx> mp3guy, you get a frame from the video as thumbnail
[06:32] <freelove> i have a nice objective question to ask.........can i ask?? plz?
[06:32] <burning_bronx> isn't that what you need?
[06:32] <mp3guy> burning_bronx, how do i do that?
[06:32] <k0p> I have a webcam that use the spca5xx drivers, btw system freeze when cam is activate. Do you know if exists solution in the breezy?
[06:33] <lnostdal> mp3guy, Edit -> Preferences .. then check under the tab Preview
[06:33] <burning_bronx> mp3guy, it's in by default o_O;
[06:33] <asdc> anyone know what to do when you get a grub error 17 after doing a fresh install of ubuntu?
[06:33] <burning_bronx> tam
[06:33] <ofer0> asdc, reinstall grub?
[06:33] <burning_bronx> wrong window
[06:33] <freelove> whats the best distro after ubuntu (and all its derivatives)??
[06:34] <asdc> how would i do that?
[06:34] <thesaltydog> burning_bronx, errors were encountered while processing locales_2.3.7-1_all.deb and all the language-pack-gnome
[06:34] <greenpenguin13> distrowatch
[06:34] <burning_bronx> freelove, depends on what you want as a distro
[06:34] <ninja2> Having slight difficulties here.. I burned ubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso to a disc with "burn image" in nero, but it's not bootable. What am I doing wrong?
[06:34] <ofer0> freelove, there is no such thing as "best distro". there is the most suitable distro, and this is all about your personal choices
[06:34] <burning_bronx> thesaltydog >.>
[06:34] <burning_bronx> just finish the upgrade
[06:34] <thesaltydog> it stops there..
[06:34] <burning_bronx> it ends or it breaks?
[06:35] <thesaltydog> breaks.
[06:35] <burning_bronx> hmmm that shouldn't be the case o_O;
[06:35] <freelove> ofer0: hmmm....well said:)
[06:35] <ofer0> ninja2, check md5sum for the disc
[06:35] <ofer0> ninja2, and the iso image
[06:35] <asdc> so how would i reinstall grub without going through the entire ubuntu installation again?
[06:35] <thesaltydog> if I do apt-get -f install, it will re-install xmkmf...
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> ninja2,  also check the disk with windows.. see what files are on it.
[06:36] <ofer0> asdc, you have a livecd of something ?
[06:36] <ofer0> thesaltydog, no, it won't. why would it?
[06:36] <Lemon-> asdc: u mean u cant go into ubuntu right?
[06:36] <thesaltydog> don't know. They are 30 minutes that I am cycling thru this.
[06:36] <asdc> i have an iso burned from the website if that answers your question
[06:37] <burning_bronx> thesaltydog, the version of Xorg that dapper uses doesn't need xmkmf
[06:37] <Lemon-> asdc: no why do u want to reinstall grub?
[06:37] <burning_bronx> he gets an error 17
[06:37] <ofer0> Lemon-, he got grub error 17 on his first ubuntu boot
[06:37] <thesaltydog> burning_bronx, ok. I believe you. But anyway I'm stuck. No breezy and no dapper.
[06:37] <asdc> im getting "error 17" when the installation reboots
[06:37] <Lemon-> huh?
[06:37] <Lemon-> what is erro17..
[06:37] <Lemon-> hmm
[06:37] <asdc> when grub tries to boot
[06:37] <gnomefreak> i always reinstalled ubuntu when i got that error
[06:38] <burning_bronx> thesaltydog, have you backed up your files?
[06:38] <Dr_Willis> gnomefreak,  harsh :p
[06:38] <asdc> i installed 3 times
[06:38] <Lemon-> did usearch on
[06:38] <Lemon-> google?
[06:38] <gnomefreak> asdc,  what other distros are on that pc?
[06:38] <thesaltydog> My files are in the /home partition. :-)
[06:38] <gnomefreak> "os's"
[06:38] <Lemon-> asdc, try search on google
[06:38] <asdc> non i reformatted the entire hard drive
[06:38] <asdc> none*
[06:38] <LiGhTeR> hi all can someone help me with the command that makes it possible to watch movies in ubuntu
[06:38] <gnomefreak> asdc,  are you planning on putting another one one?
[06:38] <gnomefreak> on*
[06:39] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,  xine, mplayer, vlc, and you wiill need to install the W32Codecs most likely
[06:39] <Lemon-> asdc, 17 : Cannot mount selected partition
[06:39] <asdc> should i dual boot it with windows?
[06:39] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,  or are you refrering to DVD movies. :P
[06:39] <Lemon-> is that the error u are getting?
[06:39] <LiGhTeR> no
[06:39] <asdc> yeah lemon
[06:39] <LiGhTeR> i want to install w32codec
[06:39] <gnomefreak> yes error 17
[06:40] <Lemon-> asdc, http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=120802
[06:40] <Lemon-> try reading that
[06:40] <asdc> ok
[06:40] <Stormx2> is KDE GTK2.0?
[06:40] <funkyHat> asdc, when you were installing ubuntu, did you move the 'boot flag' from your windows partition to one of your linux partitions?
[06:40] <Stormx2> or GTK2 i should say
[06:40] <funkyHat> asdc, when you were at the partitioner stage
[06:40] <Eleaf> Stormx2, KDE is QT3/4
[06:40] <cmatheson> Stormx2: no, it's qt
[06:41] <Lemon-> Stormx2, GTK for gnome
[06:41] <Eleaf> qt's fun
[06:41] <Lemon-> Stormx2, QT for KDE
[06:41] <ga^vu> beginners question...again
[06:41] <ofer0> Stormx2, but of course, you can run GTK applications on KDE if you have the library installed.
[06:41] <burning_bronx> I dislike Qt
[06:41] <ga^vu> i've installed dchub...Where is it??
[06:41] <ofer0> Stormx2, ( and qt apps on gnome, of course... )
[06:41] <burning_bronx> and you can use Qt on Gnome if you have libqt
[06:41] <Stormx2> Right
[06:41] <Lemon-> ga^vu, type whereis dchub
[06:41] <Lemon-> on the console
[06:41] <Lemon-> :P
[06:42] <Stormx2> Cause Im sick of the chunky look of gnome. 1280x960 GNOME feels like 600x600 windows
[06:42] <ga^vu> ok..thanks...told ya i was a beginner :P
[06:42] <gnomefreak> ga^vu,  try typing dchub at console to run it
[06:42] <ofer0> Stormx2, use blackbox. it's much cleaner
[06:42] <Dr_Willis> chunky ?
[06:42] <vir> kubuntu = kde ( qt3/4)
[06:42] <Lemon-> Stormx2, then try KDE
[06:42] <burning_bronx> bah
[06:42] <Stormx2> Lemon-: i am
[06:42] <vir> ubuntu = gnome ( gtk )
[06:42] <Stormx2> ofer0: Blackbox, hmm, ok
[06:42] <Lemon-> Stormx2, or maybe Enlightenment
[06:42] <burning_bronx> the boxes are hard to customize
[06:42] <jc-denton> try 17
[06:42] <Mabus06> What's a good file destroyer for ubuntu?
[06:42] <jc-denton> it's leet
[06:43] <jc-denton> s/17/e17
[06:43] <burning_bronx> as they don't come with a desktop environment
[06:43] <Lemon-> its just for cool looking
[06:43] <Lemon-> :P
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> jc-denton,  and often runs for more then 10 min at a time now befor crashing!
[06:43] <gnomefreak> Mabus06,  hire me im good at screwing up files :)
[06:43] <vir> i personaly like gnome its good to customize
[06:43] <jc-denton> hehe
[06:43] <Lemon-> Mabus06, what do u mean?
[06:43] <sunshine82> hi i need help with ogg2mp3 i cant get it to work i dont know what im doin wrong any one that know abuout ogg2 mp3 please hjej[
[06:43] <ofer0> Stormx2, You should try some other WM and SM... Try fluxbox, XFCE, enlightenment, blackbox... see what's around you
[06:43] <jc-denton> Dr_Willis: i just wanted to participate at the flamewar
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> 'wmii' :P
[06:43] <Mabus06> Lemon-, deleting a file isn't really deleting it.
[06:43] <ofer0> sunshine82, hey :)
[06:43] <ofer0> sunshine82, you want to ogg -> mp3 ?
[06:43] <Dr_Willis> jc-denton,  'matchbox' !
[06:44] <vir> Stormx2,  you could try xbuntu
[06:44] <Lemon-> Mabus06, oh
[06:44] <Lemon-> Mabus06, :P
[06:44] <Mabus06> It's still there. For instance, when I messed up my mp3 player, I could hear parts of songs from a long time ago.
[06:44] <Lemon-> vir, what is xbuntu?
[06:44] <burning_bronx> Stormx2, Xfce (xubuntu) is nice - it comes with the xfwm4
[06:44] <ofer0> Mabus06, everybody uses "shred".
[06:44] <Stormx2> ofer0: Tried fluxbox >.<
[06:44] <vir> xubuntu is xfce
[06:44] <Stormx2> burning_bronx: XFCE is nice but feels like gnome
[06:44] <Lemon-> vir, is there such thing? :P
[06:44] <jc-denton> fluxbox
[06:44] <burning_bronx> Stormx2, you want someting not even close to gnome?
[06:44] <burning_bronx> fluxbox.
[06:45] <ofer0> Mabus06, man shred for more details..
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> the anti-gnome!
[06:45] <burning_bronx> or openbox/e17
[06:45] <Lemon-> Stormx2, use "X" ^-^
[06:45] <Lemon-> =3=3=3
[06:45] <blanky> gnome is cool, but it gets boring on ubuntu since it's all gnome
[06:45] <burning_bronx> X >= all
[06:45] <blanky> lol yeah
[06:45] <Stormx2> burning_bronx: Tried fluxbox >.< I don't understand it really though...
[06:45] <vir> e16 is better than e17 atm
[06:45] <Dr_Willis> Dull and  useable! bah!
[06:45] <blanky> i liked how enlightenment was used in cs.edu.slax
[06:45] <sunshine82> offer0 yes i was told to download ogg2mp3 off sourceforge which i did
[06:45] <ofer0> Stormx2, All the light WMs and SMs needs a h-u-g-e configuration before you can use it
[06:46] <burning_bronx> Stormx2, thats maybe cause it doesn't have a desktop environement
[06:46] <sunshine82> ofer0 do u know a better way
[06:46] <Stormx2> burning_bronx: I figured that much.
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> Huge? nah.. just need to run xterms
[06:46] <burning_bronx> u see now a desktop environement is something like gnome, and a wm is something like metacity
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> and learn the shell like a real man
[06:46] <ofer0> sunshine82, give me 2 minutes to think about it
[06:46] <burning_bronx> u can change just the wm for gnome
[06:46] <sunshine82> ofer0 to change ogg to mp3
[06:46] <blanky> i wished i could get my englithenment to look like this slax' cs.edu.slax
[06:46] <burning_bronx> I use xfwm4 on gnome
[06:46] <blanky> http://charybde.homeunix.org/~schmitz/slax-csedu/
[06:46] <vir> desktop manager = xfce, gnome and kde
[06:46] <Stormx2> burning_bronx: Ah cool. What advantage does that bring?
[06:47] <Lemon-> and Enlightenment
[06:47] <burning_bronx> faster window management?
[06:47] <burning_bronx> differnet window styles?
[06:47] <burning_bronx> yes to both
[06:47] <vir> window manager = window maker, e16, e17, meta ciity, fluxbox... openbox
[06:47] <gnomefreak> why is this so freaking hard :(
[06:47] <freelove> the one thing i hate in gnome are incomplete iconsets!
[06:47] <burning_bronx> gnomefreak, what's hard?
[06:47] <Dr_Willis> blanky,  that shouldent be too hard.
[06:48] <blanky> really?
[06:48] <burning_bronx> I use the OSX iconset - it owns.
[06:48] <lnostdal> the freakin gnome
[06:48] <vir> gnomefreak,  whats hard?
[06:48] <Stormx2> burning_bronx: OK. I have xfce and I have gnome, how do I make the xfce wm my wm in gnome?
[06:48] <blanky> who likes kde over gnome here
[06:48] <ofer0> sunshine82, okay. you here?
[06:48] <Dr_Willis> i tend to mix and match
[06:48] <burning_bronx> first of all the xfce wm is xfwm4
[06:48] <lnostdal> i haven't used kde in years .. but i like using k3b, which is an kde-app. ..
[06:49] <gnomefreak> im still trying to get that script to run just by typing logins in terminal but i have to have a "." in the path and hell i dont know how to do that and he asked me if i had a file in home/dir. named .bash_profile and i dont :(
[06:49] <burning_bronx> you first need to install it
[06:49] <Stormx2> I just want a space I can work in really... gnome just hogs it all up with GUI
[06:49] <ofer0> sunshine82, you do it like this: "oggdec file.ogg newfile.wav; lame newfile.wav"
[06:49] <Lemon-> lnostdal, i hope gnome develpers make some apps like K3b and amarok in gnome..
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> Stormx2,  then changeing the gnome window manager wont change that.
[06:49] <burning_bronx> Stormx2, then changing the wm wouldn't change much
[06:49] <tiglionabbit> Stormx2: why don't you remove the panels then?
[06:49] <Lemon-> lnostdal, i install KDE libs for those two apps
[06:49] <burning_bronx> it would improve performance
[06:49] <burning_bronx> nevertheless
[06:49] <Lemon-> lnostdal, wasting of spaces.. :P
[06:50] <mifritscher> hi
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> Stormx2,  try somthning hard core like 'wmii' :P or "ratposion" or learn the various XYZbox's
[06:50] <Stormx2> Hmm
[06:50] <mifritscher> why does ubuntu create the /dev-tree in a tmfpfs?
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> or remove the gnome panels you dont use. :P
[06:50] <lnostdal> Lemon-, sure .. they should cooperate more .. and use more common libraries for IPC and other stuff too .. that'b be great :)
[06:50] <burning_bronx> Stormx2, what "exactly" do you want?
[06:50] <lnostdal> Lemon-, i mean KDE and Gnome
[06:50] <Stormx2> burning_bronx: I want my screen to look like a usuable workable programming space but not ugly >.<
[06:50] <lnostdal> Lemon-, that way it wouldn't matter as much i think
[06:50] <LiGhTeR> Dr_Willis no im not refering to DVD :P =) i mean that when i write : sudo apt-get install w32codecs  it says that it can't find the package
[06:51] <LiGhTeR> and how do i do now =)
[06:51] <Lemon-> lnostdal, yeah. true.. :P
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,  type !w32codecs and see what the bot says
[06:51] <vir> Stormx2, check out e17
[06:51] <burning_bronx> Stormx2, tell me what is preventing your desktop from being like that?
[06:51] <LiGhTeR> k
[06:51] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,  you need to add the right repos to get it
[06:51] <burning_bronx> in your opinion
[06:51] <Stormx2> burning_bronx: GNOME is chunky
[06:51] <funkyHat> lnostdal, and they should both scrap their sound daemon
[06:51] <Mabus06> thanks, ofer0
[06:51] <burning_bronx> chunky as in?
[06:51] <funkyHat> cos esd and arts both suck sack
[06:51] <Stormx2> Like
[06:51] <gnomefreak> heavy
[06:52] <gnomefreak> not lightweight
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> gnomefreak,  also vague terms. :P
[06:52] <gnomefreak> im thinking thats what Stormx2  meant
[06:52] <LiGhTeR> event not found
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> lol
[06:52] <LiGhTeR> Dr_Willis Event not found
[06:52] <Lemon-> :P
[06:52] <LiGhTeR> is all it says
[06:52] <Stormx2> >.< kinda differcult. But 1280x960 gnome feels like 800x600 windows, if you see what I mean (I bet you dont >.<)
[06:52] <freelove> wow in both channels we are having desktop manager wars:D
[06:52] <gnomefreak> lightweight try fluxbox or blackbox
[06:52] <ofer0> Mabus06, you are very welcome!
[06:52] <freelove> kde is better ;D
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,  try !w32codec   - or heck.. just go to the ubuntu wiki and search for w32codec :P
[06:52] <Lemon-> Stormx2, because of two panels u mean?
[06:52] <gnomefreak> there are so many to choose from
[06:53] <burning_bronx> freelove, kde is bloated
[06:53] <burning_bronx> and heavy
[06:53] <Lemon-> ubunto
[06:53] <vir> kde crashes.... like windows
[06:53] <tiglionabbit> Stormx2: you don't make any sense.  If you don't like it, change it.  (btw, if you wanna see "windows", try icewm!  =P)
[06:53] <LiGhTeR> i done that but it still won't work :S
[06:53] <blanky> vir, YEAH!
[06:53] <ofer0> LiGhTeR, wget http://ilunix.org/myfiles/w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
[06:53] <Lemon-> ubotu, tell LiGhTeR about w32codec
[06:53] <blanky> vir, at least on ubuntu, that's the only place i've witnessed it in
[06:53] <vir> Stormx2,  http://sneakymustard.com/images/e17-dfly.png have a look at that
[06:53] <Stormx2> Lemon-: Although I do have two panels, I auto-hide one, and the other is only 24 pixels high
[06:53] <freelove> burning_bronx: for many its rock-solid
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> so 2 panels are taking up like 3% of the screen...
[06:53] <vir> Stormx2,  thats e17
[06:53] <Lemon-> Stormx2, i use gnome in resolution 1024X768
[06:54] <Lemon-> Stormx2, and i do work fine
[06:54] <ofer0> LiGhTeR, after you download it, "sudo dpkg -i w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb" will get it installed. enjoy
[06:54] <LiGhTeR> thank you :D
[06:54] <Stormx2> vir: it looks pretty nice actually. i'll look into that.
[06:54] <burning_bronx> freelove, being solid doesn't make it less bloated & heavy
[06:54] <ofer0> LiGhTeR, you're welcome
[06:54] <vir> Stormx2,  its only still getting worked on but it is usable
[06:54] <Lemon-> -list
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> Solid = my 1968 Dodge.
[06:54] <Lemon-> ubotu, list
[06:54] <ubotu> somebody said list was you can see a list of things I know at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[06:55] <odat> quick question
[06:55] <Lemon-> ubotu, version
[06:55] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, Lemon-
[06:55] <odat> how do i check what kind of graphics card i have?
[06:55] <Lemon-> ubotu, source
[06:55] <ubotu> it has been said that source is to compile a source package, you first need to 'apt-get build-essential'. Some source packages have other dependencies, such as KDE or Gnome development libraries also.
[06:55] <vir> Stormx2,  if you check the forums you'll find a how to... installl it
[06:55] <trappist> odat: lspci
[06:55] <Lemon-> ubotu, supybot
[06:55] <ubotu> Lemon-: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[06:55] <LiGhTeR> but will it fix that thing about ubuntu is locked for some legal stuff :S
[06:55] <Lemon-> ubotu, -help
[06:55] <ubotu> Lemon-: Are you smoking crack?
[06:55] <trappist> Lemon-: feel free to play with the bot in pmsg
[06:55] <gnomefreak> ha ha i do have a bash_profile  file :)
[06:55] <Lemon-> trappist, what is ubotu's version ?
[06:56] <trappist> I have no idea
[06:56] <freelove> burning_bronx: but u will agree that its more powerful & feature-filled..than gnome:)
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> I like brown! :p
[06:56] <blanky> there should b a program/script that automates the process of installing a tar.gz
[06:56] <freelove> i hope too....
[06:56] <Lemon-> I hate the ubuntu theme
[06:56] <Lemon-> it sucks
[06:56] <Lemon-> :P
[06:56] <freelove> blanky: in kde u'll find such an app:)
[06:56] <blanky> extracts it to a temporary directory, runs configure, make, amke install
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> blanky,   and automate makeing the user read the install docs also!
[06:56] <trappist> blanky: not all tarballs install the same way
[06:57] <Lemon-> and i found out that dapper has the same theme!!!
[06:57] <blanky> Dr_Willis, lol
[06:57] <Lemon-> DAMN!
[06:57] <Lemon-> :P
[06:57] <blanky> trappist, oh, yeah i guess
[06:57] <vir> i prefer white i like it to be clean and user friendly more like mac os
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> and automate the user ranting in the irc channels about messing stuff up!
[06:57] <freelove> yeah...the stupid brown theme.when will they make it blue or white?
[06:57] <Lemon-> vir, same here
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> I want a Hot-Pink theme!
[06:57] <blanky> brb buddies, dont leave me
[06:57] <LiGhTeR> it still won't work :(:(
[06:57] <The_Isle_of_Mark> man, I just blew up my sudoers file...is there an easy way to fix that in ubuntu?
[06:57] <Lemon-> freelove, i tried dapper flight cd 2 and the theme was same !
[06:57] <freelove> nooooooooooooo!
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> The_Isle_of_Mark,  blew up?
[06:57] <Lemon-> yes i know what u mean
[06:57] <Lemon-> .........
[06:57] <LiGhTeR> but im pretty sure about it is some wierd stuff about "if it is legal in your country"
[06:58] <vir> i'd like to see the ubuntu desktop image polished off....
[06:58] <Lemon-> i really hate that brown color
[06:58] <Lemon-> :(
[06:58] <freelove> BUT.........mark says the theme will change to blue soon:)
[06:58] <LiGhTeR> you have to lock up something
[06:58] <Lemon-> freelove, u sure?
[06:58] <labandus> ofer0,
[06:58] <Stormx2> So, what is new in Dapper?
[06:58] <ofer0> labandus, ?
[06:58] <LiGhTeR> and i cant remember the command i used on my desktop :(:(
[06:58] <labandus> ofer0,  are you still online??
[06:58] <tiglionabbit> Stormx2: have you tried changing your themes and such, and downloading more from gnome-look.org?
[06:58] <Lemon-> Stormx2, new kernel new programs :P
[06:58] <sunshine82> ofer0 i need to chane ogg to mp3 not wav
[06:58] <The_Isle_of_Mark> Dr_Willis, I use vi for my editor (say what you sih I love it) so I exported the editor from nano to vi for a visudo and some how it didnt work so I cant sudo now :(
[06:58] <freelove> Lemon-: ya i read in an interview of mark...
[06:58] <vir> the logo.... followed by ubuntu... spelt in different colours...with scan lines
[06:58] <labandus> i wanted you to send me this thing
[06:58] <Lemon-> freelove, hope they really change :P
[06:59] <ofer0> sunshine82, that's why I gave you the "lame" command. apt-get install lame
[06:59] <labandus> ofer0, i wanted you to send me this thing
[06:59] <Lemon-> freelove, i dont like brown... seriously
[06:59] <Eleaf> LAME
[06:59] <ofer0> labandus, okay, wait a second please
[06:59] <Lemon-> LAME!
[06:59] <LiGhTeR> Dr_willis any idee ??
[06:59] <freelove> ok temme fast.....whats ur fav gnome iconset & window border theme?
[06:59] <Stormx2> Lemon-: Ooh cool, what new programs?
[06:59] <Lemon-> ubotu, tell sunshine82 about lame
[06:59] <labandus> ofer0, ok
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> The_Isle_of_Mark,  theres some example sudoers files on the forums -  rescue mode/live cd.. and fix it. :()
[06:59] <Lemon-> Stormx2, firstly....
[06:59] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,  no clue what you are even doing now. :P
[06:59] <Lemon-> Stormx2, FIREFOX 1.5!!
[06:59] <ofer0> sunshine82, lame is for MP3 encoding, but first you need a WAV file.. you understand?
[06:59] <The_Isle_of_Mark> Dr_Willis, only way?
[06:59] <Lemon-> YAY~
[06:59] <vir> milk always looks good
[06:59] <vir> :)
[06:59] <freelove> i like dropline neu:)
[06:59] <Stormx2> Lemon-: Already got >.<
[07:00] <ofer0> sunshine82, install it, then run it on the wav file
[07:00] <Lemon-> Stormx2, and NEW kernel
[07:00] <Lemon-> which is more faster
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> The_Isle_of_Mark,  if you  messed it  up - ya gotta fix it. :P
[07:00] <Stormx2> Lemon-: Yay
[07:00] <Lemon-> Stormx2, new nautils !
[07:00] <Stormx2> Lemon-: Nautils?
[07:00] <Lemon-> Stormx2, which has search options ~_~
[07:00] <The_Isle_of_Mark> Dr_Willis, yep, ok thanks...I was wondering if there was an easy way
[07:00] <Lemon-> Stormx2, the file management program
[07:00] <Stormx2> Lemon-: Is that a build of nautilus or a typo?
[07:00] <Lemon-> + _+)
[07:00] <The_Isle_of_Mark> seeya
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> The_Isle_of_Mark,  its fairly easy. :P the file is like 2  lines.. rest is comments.
[07:01] <Lemon-> Stormx2, typo -_-
[07:01] <Lemon-> sorry -0-
[07:01] <vir> neowin.net  has some lovely desktops
[07:01] <LiGhTeR> dr_willis i don't think it is about codecs it is about something that are illegal in some states and legal in others don't know how to explain it better
[07:01] <Stormx2> Lemon-: haha ok. Sweet, new nautilus will be great
[07:01] <ofer0> LiGhTeR, what's the problem? you installed what i have gave you?
[07:01] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,  no clue what you are even talking about.
[07:01] <Stormx2> Lemon-: I never finished my plugin to open a directory as root >.<
[07:01] <LiGhTeR> ofer0 yes i did
[07:01] <nico551> i need a hand with some networking in ubuntu, im a bit stuck, im trying to access a ms network through samba and i get this message when i want to browse network groups....(se further-->) ..NICO is my own pc, which is a bit wired since im not trying to connect to it, but the network groups. what is more wired is that my pass for my own pc doesnt work?! -- http://peecee.dk/?id=23418&noresize=yes (screenshot)
[07:02] <mititelu> hello, how can i make a swap partition and get ubuntu to use it after it has been installed, also... can i change FAT or NTFS partition to ext3 directly (with the data unchanged on the partition?)
[07:02] <Stormx2> Lemon-: Opening nautilus from nautilus is just damned confusing!!
[07:02] <LiGhTeR> ofer0 but it didn't hel anything
[07:02] <Lemon-> Stormx2, hahah :P
[07:02] <Lemon-> Stormx2, try ur best  ^^
[07:02] <Stormx2> Lemon-: it freaks out. it sends the right command but fails anyway
[07:02] <Stormx2> >.<
[07:02] <Lemon-> I really liked dapper
[07:02] <ofer0> LiGhTeR, what exactly are you trying to do?
[07:02] <Lemon-> but
[07:02] <Lemon-> one thing...
[07:02] <Lemon-> THEME!!
[07:02] <Lemon-> ..
[07:02] <Lemon-> that is the only prob
[07:02] <Stormx2> Whats wrong with it?
[07:02] <ga^vu> if i've installed opendc...how do I use it?...cause...heeelp
[07:02] <Lemon-> otherwise its a fine DE
[07:02] <Lemon-> fine DIST
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> gee takes 10 sec to change themes.. :p
[07:03] <mititelu> hello, how can i make a swap partition and get ubuntu to use it after it has been installed, also... can i change FAT or NTFS partition to ext3 directly (with the data unchanged on the partition?)
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> mititelu,  may be easier to make a swap file.
[07:03] <Lemon-> gnome-arts is always there for you to change themes!
[07:03] <mititelu> how?
[07:03] <LiGhTeR> ofer0 im trying to look on a movie but i only get the sound :(:( i had the same prob on my desktop but i used a command from a site and it worked it was somwthing about some movies ain't allowed to be played in some states but in other states and ubuntu is locked and it was just to unlock it
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> mititelu,  a little googling will show ya exacrtly how to do it.
[07:04] <mititelu> ok, thanks
[07:04] <ofer0> mititelu, 1. create a partition using 'cfdisk', then 'mkswap' ans 'swapon' on it. 2. don't do it - it is risky.
[07:04] <Dr_Willis> mititelu,  about 3 commands ya type.
[07:04] <frankzxgfj> hwy
[07:04] <frankzxgfj> hey
[07:04] <burning_bronx> that's what I get for not reading carefully the update package list
[07:04] <Dr_Willis> mititelu,  as fior the fat data... ewww...  not sure tahts doable.
[07:04] <mititelu> ofer0 why not do it? :-)
[07:04] <ofer0> LiGhTeR, You know which codec the movie uses ?
[07:04] <burning_bronx> flash memory doesn't automount
[07:04] <burning_bronx> "usb disk" doesn't automount
[07:04] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,  run the movie and player from the shell and watch the messages.
[07:05] <ofer0> mititelu, It can damage your data. You can do it through a windows app, like Partition Magic, but I don't know if that will work.
[07:05] <LiGhTeR> ofer0 actually no
[07:05] <ofer0> LiGhTeR, Can you give me it's filename ?
[07:05] <LiGhTeR> dr_willis there is no message it is just the sound from the movie
[07:05] <mititelu> ok, thanks a lot, i'll just copy somewhere else, partition and copy back
[07:05] <LiGhTeR> ofer0 video4
[07:05] <mititelu> thanks for the help!
[07:05] <sunshine82> ofer0 this is what u givin me oggdec file.ogg newfile.wav lame newfile.wav but i dont understand
[07:05] <ofer0> LiGhTeR, and please give me the output of "file movie", while movie=your movie filename
[07:05] <LiGhTeR> ofer0 .avi
[07:05] <frankzxgfj> is there any reposetory that also serves non-oss software, i am looking for skype...
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,   every video player ive tried spits out dozens of messages on the command line..  :P
[07:06] <ofer0> sunshine82, yeah. those are 2 different commands. the first one creates a wav file, and the other command replaces your wav file with the MP3 file.  :P from the 'terminal/command line/shell' :P
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,  time to learn the shell funamentals!
[07:08] <LiGhTeR> dr_willis well as i said im a total noob still trying to learn linux =)
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,  you did use the shell and insalled that w32codec package?
[07:08] <LiGhTeR> dr_willis yes i did and it worked fine
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,  then find your video file and use a command like...
[07:08] <LiGhTeR> dr_willis but it still don't work :(:(
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,    xine filetoplay.avi
[07:09] <LiGhTeR> dr_willis okeje
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> or whatever player youi are using.
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> its thtat simple. :P
[07:09] <LiGhTeR> i try it
[07:09] <gnomefreak> when i change  my bash_profile file do i need to run anything like update-bash_profile or something?
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,  it will most likely spit out what codec's it sees in the file and trying to use.
[07:09] <ofer0> labandus,
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> gnomefreak,  its read only on new logins
[07:09] <gnomefreak> i used gedit
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> gnomefreak,  the .bash_profile is ran ONLY by 'login' shells.  .bashrc is read by all new shells.
[07:10] <burning_bronx> why the fawk this isn't working
[07:10] <ofer0> cya everybody
[07:10] <ofer0> LiGhTeR, learn how to use the shell - it's stronger than you think
[07:11] <LiGhTeR> ofer0 well thats what i want to do but it aint easy :P
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> easy? its trivial.
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> how hard is   "programtorun  filetouse"  :P
[07:11] <LiGhTeR> Dr_willis im sending a screen dump if it is ok ?
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> Unlearning the windows-zombie-mentality is hard.
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,  just look for some lines mentioning codecs
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> Most likely the video is in some odd funky codec.
[07:12] <LiGhTeR> Dr_willis all it mention is that it cant open the dvd
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,  you said you were playing a file earlier. not a dvd
[07:12] <LiGhTeR> Dr_willis it is a file
[07:12] <gnomefreak> well damnit i added the "." like he said and i still have to use ./file to run it :(
[07:12] <LiGhTeR> Dr_willis but it says that it cant open/read the dvd :S:S
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> gnomefreak,  you are trying to add the current dir to the path?
[07:13] <gnomefreak> i think so :(
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,  what program are you using anyway? whats the exact command line.
[07:13] <The_Isle_of_Mark> Dr_Willis, hey that wasnt too bad at all...in failsafe I just visudoed in the default nano (BLECH!) and fixed the crazy characters that somehow got in there
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> gnomefreak,  'think' ?
[07:13] <sunshine82> ofer0 it givin me an error it sayin no such file or directory
[07:13] <LiGhTeR> dr_willis im using vlc to open the file
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,  so whats the command line you are using?
[07:14] <sunshine82> ofer0 failed to open input file
[07:14] <thesaltydog> burning_bronx, I have fixed all things running aptitude instead of apt-get..
[07:14] <docgnome> I've got an ATI Radeon 9600SE and I've installed the fglrx drivers from ATI... but OpenGL apps still run terribly slow and jerky
[07:14] <LiGhTeR> dr_willis im not using command line (uncept the one u told me) vlc video4.avi
[07:14] <burning_bronx> thesaltydog, they are actually both doing the same just in a diff way
[07:14] <burning_bronx> whatever works for you
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,  and its saying file not found?
[07:15] <burning_bronx> that's the beauty of linux ;)
[07:15] <gnomefreak> Dr_Willis, yes i am i made a script "logins" and im trying to run it by just typing "logins" without the "" but it still only runs using ./logins
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> gnomefreak,  why not make a /home/user/bin dir and put it in there?
[07:15] <thesaltydog> burning_bronx, but with apt-get I was getting breaks during the upgrade. aptitude has a better dependencies control system.
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> gnomefreak,  or make an alias for it.
[07:15] <tabasko> hi o/
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> gnomefreak,  your way - you will have to 'cd' to where its at.. then run it.
[07:16] <burning_bronx> lol thesaltydog they both get the dependencies from the same place
[07:16] <burning_bronx> XD
[07:16] <tabasko> can somebody help me with nvidia drivers?
[07:16] <thesaltydog> ok. anyway, now it works.
[07:16] <thesaltydog> burning_bronx, in any case they are not the same. Look in the debian docs.
[07:16] <LiGhTeR> dr_willis no it says:  file or katalog don't exist  libdvdnav: vm: faild to open/read the DVD
[07:17] <gnomefreak> oh ok so take the "." out of the file i put it in and make a dir. named home/user/bin and save the file there?
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,  just run  the  vlc program and use its load/file menu :) to select the file
[07:17] <GoTeK> hi
[07:17] <LiGhTeR> dr_willis main input error: no suitable access module for 'video4.avi'
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> gnomefreak,  i THINK you are making this way toooo hard.  lol but thats the basics of it.
[07:18] <GoTeK> can any1 tell me how to change Clearlooks window border color
[07:18] <GoTeK> by default it is blue
[07:18] <LiGhTeR> dr_willis i done that but it still just plays the sound :(:(
[07:18] <GoTeK> i'd like 2 change it
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,  now the command vlc -vvvv or ( --vvv) will give a LOT more output..
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,  but it all boils down to - some funkuy video codec is my guess
[07:19] <GoTeK> is it an hexa valur in /usr/share/themes/Clearlooks/gtk-2.0/gtkrc    ?
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,  i have several video files that i cant play under Ubuntu/Linux at the moment. :(
[07:19] <GoTeK> can(t find the hexa value
[07:19] <GoTeK> any1 can help ?
[07:20] <LiGhTeR> dr_williz ok well i know what the prob is it is just that i cant find the homepage that had the command line ::(:(
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,  oh? whats the prob then?
[07:21] <kotton> CAN-O-WORMS:  kenswanson here, thank you for your help this morning, I learned a lot, tough being a newbie in ubuntu
[07:21] <LiGhTeR> dr_williss it is something about ubuntu is locked to not play some movies without license to them something like that
[07:21] <gnomefreak> Dr_Willis, the command is mkdir /home/user/bin isnt it im trying to recall it from memory
[07:21] <tabasko> so, can someone help with nvidia 3d accelleration? :/
[07:21] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,  i find that VERY hard to belive.
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> gnomefreak,  well you do want to use your users name fior 'user' :P
[07:22] <gnomefreak> yes
[07:22] <gnomefreak> but that command is right?
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> cd
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> mkdir bin
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> there ya go. :P
[07:22] <LiGhTeR> dr_willis i'm not sure but i know it sayed something about "in some countries it is legal to use if you live in one of those countires use the following command ....."
[07:22] <sunshine82> ofer0 i dont understand why it playin but i cant get oggdec file.ogg to work
[07:22] <LiGhTeR> dr_willis it helped on my desktop =)
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,  first id ever heard of vlc doing that...       normally those warnings are when you download/install stuff.
[07:23] <LiGhTeR> dr_willis it is not vlc who is locked it is ubuntu
[07:23] <asdc> Grub error 18 now :(
[07:23] <kotton> I installed yahoo only to find that it must be there 1st build, does anyone know of a package that will log to yahoo and play music in the chat rooms?
[07:23] <sunshine82> lemon do u have any ideas the computer doesnt recognize the artist how do i fix this the track playing though but i cant get oggdec to work
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,  that makes even LESS sence.
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,  unless you are refering to DVDplayer region locking.
[07:24] <gnomefreak> what is home? isnt it ~/ or something like that?
[07:24] <GoTeK> can any1 tell me how to change Clearlooks window border color ?
[07:24] <LiGhTeR> dr_willis well it might be that =)
[07:24] <slew> hi, how can i change the sound theme?
[07:24] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,  and you are not playing a dvd.. :P so... actually most players have a work around for that I belive.
[07:25] <LiGhTeR> dr_willis well i don't know :P i just know that the command helped me out on my desktop and i hope it can on my laptop to =) :P: :D
[07:25] <holycow> guys, someone has to put this into the wiki: http://www.glawing.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14
[07:26] <holycow> simply the best instructions on how to setup twinview ever
[07:26] <Dr_Willis> LiGhTeR,  try the 'history' command in the shell on the pc it worked.. and see what you typed
[07:26] <gregr> hola!
[07:26] <LiGhTeR> ok
[07:26] <senthil> Please help I'm not able to watch online movie... I'm a newbie
[07:26] <senthil> Please help I'm not able to watch online movie... I'm a newbie
[07:26] <senthil> Please help I'm not able to watch online movie... I'm a newbie
[07:26] <trappist> stop it.
[07:26] <Dr_Willis> senthil,  #1 - flooding liek that gets you ignroed.
[07:26] <trappist> or worse
[07:26] <gregr> yep
[07:27] <Dr_Willis> senthil,  #2 - crying you are a newbie - doesnet help much either.
[07:27] <kotton> :-" I installed yahoo only to find that it must be there 1st build, does anyone know of a package that will log to yahoo and play music in the chat rooms?
[07:27] <selinium> senthil, try not to enrage the channel! :)
[07:27] <jsor> is there a good way to make an iso (with mkisofs) so that the files look 'right' in both windows and linux?  I tried rock ridge file names, but windows doesn't seem to like it
[07:27] <selinium> senthil, are you using Firefox?
[07:27] <senthil> selinium, Yp
[07:27] <Dr_Willis> jsor,  perhaps 'udf'  file system? ive never really had any issues with the names.
[07:28] <gregr> Hello,, I just installed edu Ubuntu. Works great as it stands.. But Im trying to access the scooltool and cant figure out how? I looked at the Package management and see that it is installed but not sure how to access?
[07:28] <selinium> ok, you need to sudo apt-get install mplayer mozilla-mplayer
[07:29] <gnomefreak> ok the file is in the new dir. and its still not running do i need to cd to bin?
[07:29] <jsor> Dr_Willis, I'll take a look at udf.  the name problem is that it shortens the file names to 8.3 format, although they appear correctly on linux
[07:29] <gnomefreak> nope :(
[07:29] <selinium> senthil, ^^^
[07:30] <Dr_Willis> jsor,  ahh... yea.. thers some basic rockridge i think that does that.. then the newer ones take care of it.
[07:30] <slew> gnomefreak-> do you know how to change the sound theme?
[07:30] <gnomefreak> no slew
[07:30] <slew> k thanks
[07:30] <senthil> selinium, Its says mozilla-mplayer is already the newest version.
[07:30] <Dr_Willis> jsor,  ive only had issues with files with Huge-long file names and funky chars.
[07:30] <selinium> senthil, ok, thats fine
[07:30] <selinium> senthil, So has it completed?
[07:31] <senthil> selinium, Now what should i do ?
[07:31] <selinium> senthil, you will need the W32codecs as well
[07:31] <senthil> selinium, I can watch for a 2 mins after that its stopped working. I had already installed w32codecs
[07:32] <pawel> gnomefreak: I am not so sure if there are sound themes for Gnome, but you can change sounds for each event in Panel -> System -> Preferences -> Sound if this is enough for you.
[07:32] <senthil> selinium, Its a WMV file
[07:32] <jsor> Dr_Willis, thanks for your help.  I think I need to take another look at what rock ridge is doind
[07:32] <kotton>  installed yahoo only to find that it must be there 1st build, does anyone know of a package that will log to yahoo and play music in the chat rooms?
[07:32] <gnomefreak> pawel, im not trying to change them
[07:32] <senthil> selinium, It downloads directly and play. By default it took totem player
[07:33] <selinium> senthil, strange... It works for a while then stops? Or it has stopped completely now...
[07:33] <gnomefreak> slew is
[07:33] <ferenc> hello
[07:33] <slew> pawel thanks
[07:33] <senthil> selinium, See in windows media player it first buffer for some time and stops then its again buffer for some more time
[07:34] <pawel> gnomefreak: aah.
[07:34] <ferenc> how do i create a Starter that logs the user out?
[07:34] <pawel> gnomefreak: sorry. ;)
[07:34] <selinium> senthil, If you right click on the file, then select mplyer from the Open With tab
[07:34] <pawel> slew: does it help? :)
[07:34] <ferenc> does anybody know the command?
[07:34] <senthil> selinium, Similarly its buffer for the first time and stopped working
[07:34] <gnomefreak> its ok
[07:34] <ninja2> The ubuntu install freezes for me, just after it loads something like "detecting partitions" or whatever... It just stops. Could it be because I have S-ATA drives?
[07:34] <Dr_Willis> ferenc,  i diont think we know what you are refering to 'a starter'
[07:34] <slew> pawel its a start! thats all i need =]
[07:34] <ferenc> an icon on the desktop
[07:35] <senthil> selinium, Its not giving option to open with Mplayer
[07:35] <selinium> ?
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> ferenc,  gee users cant handle using the menus eh? actually there may be some special buttons you can add to the panel that do that...
[07:35] <ninja2> ?
[07:35] <senthil> selinium, Is there any way to make this Mplayer as default ?
[07:35] <coNP> ferenc: I think you can't move it to the desktop, altough you can create a button on the panel
[07:35] <selinium> senthil, the way I just described!
[07:35] <ferenc> i know
[07:36] <lenin1> heyy
[07:36] <ferenc> they can use the menu bar
[07:36] <selinium> senthil, pm?
[07:36] <ferenc> but i want to make it as easy as possible
[07:36] <lenin1> i need some help im bigginer in this
[07:36] <coNP> ferenc: put a button to the panel
[07:36] <senthil> selinium, PM means ?
[07:36] <ferenc> but it is to small
[07:36] <selinium> senthil, private mesage?
[07:36] <lenin1> please
[07:37] <pashaw> lenin1,  just ask
[07:37] <selinium> senthil, It means we can do this without all the other messages going past.
[07:38] <Klondike> Hi, is this where I can ask about an Ubuntu installation issue? (Can't detect network interface)
[07:38] <senthil> selinium, I understand and said hi
[07:38] <lenin1> idont know nothing about linux i wannna to know some thing
[07:38] <lenin1> pashaw
[07:39] <pashaw> lenin1,  know what?
[07:39] <LiGhTeR> lldr_willis well i give up now :(:(
[07:39] <lenin1> how to used
[07:39] <Klondike> Well, I just bought a new Dell computer, arrived today, and have every intention of wiping it clean and installing Ubuntu.
[07:39] <coNP> ferenc: you can make a new panel, 120px high, and put it in the middle of the desktop
[07:40] <Klondike> But, my Intel PRO/1000 network adapter apparently isn't detected during the Ubuntu installation procedure.
[07:40] <lenin1> are you espert in linux
[07:40] <Klondike> I've located drivers for Linux from intel for the Linux kernel 2.6.x and below, but I'm not sure how I would get the Ubuntu installer to even use them
[07:40] <lenin1> like ubuntu
[07:40] <selinium> senthil, I think you need to log your nick.   no worries we can do it here..    in a terminal  sudo dpkg -l "*mplayer*"|grep ii    and paste it in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[07:40] <Klondike> If anyone has any thoughts on this, I'd be much obliged.
[07:40] <selinium> senthil, let me know the link
[07:41] <gnomefreak> Dr_Willis,  i added the dir and re-wrote the script and put it in the bin file and now i have to cd bin than ./logins to run it im trying to avoid cd'ing and also trying to avoid the ./ command
[07:41] <pashaw> lenin1, this is not a teaching channel   you can find linux guides off  http://www.google.com   search-> linux guides
[07:42] <lenin1> ok my friend
[07:42] <senthil> selinium, What link do you want ?
[07:42] <Klondike> So, no one has any ideas on how to get the Ubuntu installer to recognize my network interface?
[07:43] <selinium> senthil, Have you put the output in pastebin? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[07:43] <pashaw> Klondike, in a terminal type   lspci   does it list your network card
[07:44] <senthil> selinium, Yep
[07:44] <senthil> selinium, Please go ahead and check it out
[07:45] <Klondike> Well, I'm in Windows right now, since I couldn't install Ubuntu
[07:45] <sunshine82> ofer0
[07:45] <gregr> anyone know how to access the school tool and school bell in edu ubuntu?
[07:45] <Klondike> And Windows seems to have no problem with it
[07:45] <yggdrasil> ello gents
[07:45] <gregr> hello
[07:45] <ubuntu> hi
[07:45] <Klondike> Hello
[07:45] <Klondike> Is there any way for me to supplement the Ubuntu installer with extra driver packages that I've found on the Internet?
[07:47] <pashaw> Klondike, the card you have should already be a module in the kernel
[07:47] <ubuntu> irc.red-latina.org
[07:47] <Bjoern-Erik> I am wondering, is there any way i can make Konversation use ISO8859-15?
[07:47] <Klondike> That's what I assumed
[07:48] <Klondike> So the drivers are likely there, then
[07:48] <Klondike> Is there any other reason the installer might not see it...?
[07:48] <pashaw> Klondike, using lspci   and lsmod  you can locate the module Ubuntu is attempting to use
[07:48] <Klondike> Can I do that during the install?
[07:48] <selinium> senthil: OK right click on the wmv file and got the Open With Tab
[07:48] <senthil> Yes
[07:49] <gregr> how can i tell if apache is running...?
[07:49] <selinium> senthil, Then click on the add button. Select mplayer.
[07:49] <gnomefreak> Klondike,  is ubuntu not installing?
[07:49] <Klondike> It doesn't detect my network interface
[07:49] <Klondike> I just found this forum post about my exact issue, posted 5 hours ago
[07:49] <Klondike> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=107105
[07:49] <Klondike> Says the driver is out of date
[07:49] <rinzai-shu> gregr: ps auxc | grep apache2
[07:49] <yggdrasil> man linux is pretty amazing
[07:49] <gregr> ty
[07:49] <gregr> yes it is
[07:50] <dieffel> hello! Anyone know how i'll get "overlay" to work correctly with my nvidia6600 in ubuntu 5.10?
[07:50] <yggdrasil> starmax 3000/180
[07:50] <yggdrasil> who said you cant polish a terd
[07:50] <korhalf> do you guys find earbud headphones to kinda make the ear sore after a while?
[07:50] <rinzai-shu> yggdrasil: yes it is!  cat /dev/urandom | hallelujah
[07:50] <korhalf> i mean i cant listen for more than 30 minutes to my frickin mp3 player and these are some Sennheiser 400MX headphones
[07:50] <Klondike> Hmm, yeah, this site also says that Breezy's driver for e1000 is outdated
[07:50] <Klondike> http://blog.dataloss.nl/perma/ubuntu-510-breezy-on-dell-dimension-9150/
[07:51] <Klondike> And it provides a compiled e1000.ko driver
[07:51] <Klondike> But how do I get the Ubuntu installer to use this?
[07:51] <yggdrasil> so i got it all good but the video onboard is a um mach 64
[07:51] <Seveas> Klondike, during install wget and insmod it
[07:51] <senthil> selinium, I don't see add button
[07:51] <yggdrasil> im jsut wondering if anyone her has any expericen with x and dual vid cards
[07:52] <gnomefreak> im looking at the download page for thedrivers
[07:52] <dieffel> hello! Anyone know how i'll get "overlay" to work correctly with my nvidia6600 in ubuntu 5.10?
[07:52] <Klondike> Will wget work though?  It's my network card that's not being recognized
[07:53] <Benix> hi
[07:53] <Seveas> Klondike, hmm, good point
[07:53] <Denstark> I installed win32codecs but totem still won't play .wmv files... /cr
[07:53] <Seveas> Denstark, try mplayer/totem-xine
[07:53] <pagan> you are online tho aren't you Klondike?
[07:53] <Denstark> will do, thanks =D
[07:53] <Seveas> Klondike, floppy, other hard disk partition?
[07:54] <Seveas> usb disk even
[07:54] <selinium> senthil: one moment
[07:54] <pagan> burn cd?
[07:54] <Benix> What is the package name of the acx driver?
[07:54] <senthil> selinium, ok
[07:54] <senthil> selinium, Please help me to fix this problem...
[07:54] <Klondike> I'm on my current Windows installation
[07:54] <Klondike> Which I am intending to wipe when I install Ubuntu
[07:54] <Klondike> hmm
[07:55] <Klondike> I don't have a floppy drive
[07:55] <Seveas> usb stick then :)
[07:55] <Klondike> My other hard disk needs an IDE->SATA driver...well, I have an iPod ;)
[07:55] <pagan> Klondike: i'm sorry ignore my smart(_!_) was j/k
[07:55] <selinium> senthil, I am just doing something for ya..
[07:55] <Klondike> That's the only USB drive I have right now
[07:55] <Klondike> I could try to find someone's to borrow though.
[07:55] <senthil> selinium, ok
[07:55] <Klondike> pagan: :)
[07:56] <Klondike> Do you think my iPod would be recognized as a USB drive?
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> How can I put spaces between entry lines in a grub menu?
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> Or comments describing the options below?
[07:56] <pagan> Klondike: just glad you have a sense "O" humor...some don't ouch *ducks* "QUACK"
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> !grub
[07:56] <ubotu> grub is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GrubHowto or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows or troubleshooting grub: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Troubleshooting
[07:56] <gregr> I ran  ps auxc | grep apache2 and it just dropped to the next line.. so it looks as if it is not running... I did a ps auxc and saw a running list, but no apache.
[07:56] <pashaw> Klondike, if you have to borrow parts   may as well borrow an older network card -instal-   then recompile with new e1000 driver
[07:56] <Klondike> Heh
[07:56] <Klondike> Yeah
[07:56] <Klondike> I could do that
[07:57] <Klondike> I could strip the one from my older computer
[07:57] <pashaw> Klondike, i do that all the time
[07:57] <monster> hello
[07:57] <tonyyarusso> Hi monster.
[07:57] <Klondike> Now don't laugh at this, but do you mean recompiling the kernel?
[07:57] <Anth0ny_> is it possible to live monitor in/out-going TCP/IP connections?
[07:57] <Klondike> And...is that difficult?
[07:57] <Klondike> I'm familair with Linux/Unix systems but I've never recompiled the kernel
[07:57] <monster> hey what r yall talking about
[07:58] <tonyyarusso> monster: Ubuntu Linux, generally.
[07:58] <pagan> Klondike: that is what I would do. I had some crazy 3com clone card made in japan and could not for life of me get it installed..$20 later I got smart :)
[07:58] <Seveas> Anth0ny_, tcpdump, ethereal...
[07:58] <pashaw> Klondike, its tough  but you learn alot    just don't delete anything referencing your current kernel
[07:58] <tonyyarusso> monster: Currently, recompiling kernels, grub, and apache, it seems.
[07:58] <pashaw> Klondike,  that way you can always go back to it
[07:58] <monster> ha wanna hear something funny
[07:58] <pagan> monster: sure :)
[07:58] <Anth0ny_> Seveas, thx
[07:59] <selinium> senthil, http://<IP_ADDRESS>/images/Screenshot1.png   here it is!
[07:59] <pashaw> Klondike, that page you referenced  mentions that was his long term solution
[07:59] <gix> sera
[07:59] <monster> my sister just put it on my compter i have no idea how to work it
[07:59] <pagan> hehehe I like names like Sneaky_Bastard <---hehehe
[08:00] <burning_bronx> yo pplz
[08:00] <pagan> monster: what? ubuntu?
[08:00] <senthil> selinium, Tell me how can i get this ?
[08:00] <monster> yea
[08:00] <tonyyarusso> monster: Good for your sister.  Don't worry, it's not too hard.
[08:00] <pagan> monster: what did you have on there before?
[08:00] <dieffel> hello! Anyone know how i'll get "overlay" to work correctly with my nvidia6600 in ubuntu 5.10?
[08:00] <senthil> selinium, from where i can get this window ?
[08:00] <burning_bronx> anyone knows why automounting USB drives is screwed up in latest dapper?
[08:00] <monster> puppy linux
[08:00] <jordo23> Is there a command that I can run to check if my workstation is connected to our domain?
[08:00] <selinium> senthil, right click on the WMV file and click properties
[08:01] <pagan> monster: she did you a favor..give her a hug :)
[08:01] <monster> ha ha
[08:01] <CaptainMorgan> !w32 codecs
[08:01] <ubotu> [w32 codecs]  binary only codecs that some call evil. You can get them by going to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and looking for "The Codecs". Another possible download location is http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl/
[08:01] <odat> need help with sound
[08:01] <burning_bronx> pagan, you still around >.>
[08:01] <Klondike> Okay, I strippe dout the old card
[08:02] <Klondike> Pagan: Thanks for the advice
[08:02] <jordo23> Anyone?
[08:02] <burning_bronx> doesn't your wife beat on you for spending so much time on the PC
[08:02] <burning_bronx> >.>
[08:02] <pagan> monster: I have tried quit a few distros but I must say this one was least broken one out of the bunch...and well no KDE tripe *ducks* :P```
[08:02] <monster> odat trying pluging in different plug worked on mine
[08:02] <Klondike> I'm going to put in the old network card and install using that
[08:02] <selinium> pagan: Flame Flame Flame Flame.... :)
[08:03] <pagan> burning_: you talking to me? ...hmmm! must know my wife LOL
[08:03] <Klondike> Pagan: is it really necessary to reinstall the kernel just to switch one's network card?
[08:03] <trappist> Klondike: no
[08:03] <tonyyarusso> monster: Do you have anything in particular you need help figuring out right now then?
[08:03] <burning_bronx> there ain't no other pagans here ;)
[08:03] <pagan> no
[08:03] <monster> no y
[08:03] <burning_bronx> I am an atheist
[08:03] <Klondike> Well...all right then :)
[08:04] <pagan> ya I am the only lil pagan in da room..gee head kick me g'head (_!_)
[08:04] <Klondike> OK, I'm going to give this a try then.
[08:04] <burning_bronx> they tried to draw me into Asatru but neopaganism just isn't my thing
[08:04] <Klondike> Hopefully I'll be back with Ubuntu.
[08:04] <monster> what is a pagan??
[08:04] <Klondike> Peace!
[08:04] <slide> Firefox 1.5 sometimes opens pages in another window, but it didnt mean to i don think. Because if I try to close the window it crashes. Anyone else have this happen to them?
[08:04] <Klondike> and thanks again!
[08:04] <holycow> does anyone have a copy of alacarte? the project website is down
[08:04] <odat> anyone able to help me track down a sound problem?
[08:04] <Am|School> *cough*Christmas is a pagan holiday*cough*
[08:04] <holycow> and there it is
[08:04] <holycow> heh
[08:04] <Am|School> holycow: what?
[08:04] <pagan> monster: a pagan is any religion that is not christian
[08:04] <burning_bronx> Amaranth, I know
[08:05] <CaptainMorgan> why do I always have bithc of  time installing codecs? I follow it.. dpkg it.. and totem stil can't display it..
[08:05] <Am|School> holycow: it was working when i left for school, i hope my site didn't die :P
[08:05] <burning_bronx> Am|School, I meant
[08:05] <monster> i know what an atheist is but wow
[08:05] <holycow> Am|School, just came back up :)
[08:05] <pagan> e.g. jewish <--pagan in christians eyes
[08:05] <monster> oh ok
[08:05] <burning_bronx> everything is pagan in jewish eyes
[08:05] <tonyyarusso> pagan: Well, I don't know about that definition.
[08:05] <Am|School> holycow: might have been down while the admin fixed the logging scripts
[08:05] <senthil> selinium, I appreciate your patience. Sorry to offend you still its not working.I can open a WMV file which is located in my harddisk
[08:05] <slide> a person who follows a polytheistic or pre-Christian religion (not a Christian or Muslim or Jew)
[08:05] <pagan> lol burning
[08:05] <trappist> take the religion to #ubuntu-offtopic kthx
[08:05] <slew> prolly not a good idea to talk about religion..