[01:06] <antques> Good morning, could someone please instruct me how I can install additinoal apps on my Touch device.  I am running Ubuntu 14.04 r303 on a Nexus 4 using the android dualboot installer.
[01:06] <antques> .
[01:47] <kenvandine> antques, you can install apps from the click store, which you can get to at the bottom of the apps scope
[01:47] <kenvandine> antques, not sure what 14.04 r303 means though
[01:48] <kenvandine> if it's a build based on 14.04, that's really old
[01:48] <antques> I have tried that.  But swiping up from the buttom doesn't do anything.
[01:48] <kenvandine> not up from the bottom
[01:48] <antques> When I click system settings that is the OS it tells me I am running
[01:48] <kenvandine> how long ago did you flash it?
[01:49] <antques> a week ago.  But I did it using the Android dual boot ap on the Android play store
[01:49] <kenvandine> not sure what channel that pulls from
[01:49] <kenvandine> but sounds like a pretty old one
[01:49] <kenvandine> i've never used dual boot, so can't help
[01:49] <kenvandine> i'd suggest running something from 15.04 though
[01:49] <antques> It says it was last updated 2015-01-23
[01:50] <kenvandine> antques, look at the OS build details page in system-settings
[01:51] <kenvandine> should say what branch it's from
[01:51] <kenvandine> mine is vivid development branch, for example
[01:51] <kenvandine> which latest for n4 is 15.04 r88
[01:52] <antques> About this phone --> OS Ubuntu 14.04 (r303) Last updated 2015-01-23
[01:52] <antques> If I try and use the updates  button.  It downloads some stuff and then just fails to install the updates
[01:54] <kenvandine> :/
[01:54] <kenvandine> antques, yeah that's a very very very old build
[01:54] <antques> okay sure.  I just don't know how to update the images
[01:54] <kenvandine> i know nothing about the dual boot setup, is there a way to select what channel to use?
[01:55] <antques> actuall here is suggests I have to un-install the image and look for a new one
[01:55] <antques> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DualBootInstallation
[01:55] <antques> I might try that
[01:55] <kenvandine> yeah, that's probably your best bet
[01:55] <antques> okay. Ill give that a go.  thanks for your time
[01:55] <kenvandine> or just whack android and go all ubuntu :)
[01:56] <kenvandine> np
[01:56] <antques> I'd be happy to if the spotify app worked when the device screen was shut off
[01:56] <kenvandine> yeah, that's not likely :/
[01:56] <antques> doh :-/
[01:56] <kenvandine> same with panpipe
[01:56] <kenvandine> someday :)
[01:56] <kenvandine> well, panpipe will someday
[01:56] <kenvandine> not sure about spotify
[01:56] <kenvandine> it does some whacky stuff there
[01:57] <kenvandine> until we have an official spotify app :)
[01:57] <antques> If I was better programmer I might give it a go.  But I think its part of the OS design that it can't work right?
[01:57] <antques> Yea I pay for the subscription so it is a pain
[01:57] <kenvandine> nope
[01:57] <kenvandine> it's a spotify problem mostly
[01:58] <kenvandine> their playback uses their own proprietary stuff
[01:58] <kenvandine> so does use what the platform provides
[01:58] <antques> right, gotcha
[01:58] <kenvandine> partially our fault though :)
[01:58] <kenvandine> well... the reason panpipe doesn't work completely in the background
[01:58] <kenvandine> our media-hub needs to be able to fetch more songs in the background
[01:59] <kenvandine> which we'll get, the awesome jhodapp won't let me down :)
[01:59] <antques> Panpipe is similar to spotify?  I haven't heard of it
[01:59] <kenvandine> but even when we get that, spotify will be a problem... until they write an official app
[01:59] <kenvandine> it's pandora
[01:59] <kenvandine> panpipe is a pandora client
[01:59] <antques> ah yea. Okay.  Unlikely spotify will write a native app anytime soon I would think.
[02:00] <kenvandine> who knows :)
[02:00] <kenvandine> i have no idea if they have anything in the works
[02:00] <kenvandine> but it could happen
[02:00] <antques> I would guess when we get a larger user base
[02:00] <kenvandine> yup
[02:01] <kenvandine> well good luck
[02:01] <kenvandine> i gotta run
[02:01] <antques> cheers
[05:42] <uhhimhere> hi guys where would I find the source files for these drivers in the device kernel source? http://pastebin.com/sJcUPKfi
[09:36] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Thank A Mailman Day! :-D
[09:39] <ogra_> pitti, *tickle*
[09:50] <ogra_> pitti, touch uses a hardcoded /etc/group ... seems your latest systemd upload adds a new "input" group there ... before i just add it to the hardcoded group file i need to know what devices that affects (we use the android_input group in some)
[09:51] <pitti> ogra_: *eek*
[09:51] <pitti> (I'm ticklish!!)
[09:51] <ogra_> haha
[09:51] <pitti> ogra_: yeah, I added that because we've shipped this rule for ages: SUBSYSTEM=="input", GROUP="input"
[09:52] <pitti> ogra_: it's meant for daemons which need to access input devices; not a biggie
[09:52] <ogra_> right, but the devices also ship rules that set input devices to android_input
[09:52] <pitti> ogra_: right; so keep those
[09:52] <pitti> ogra_: there's no harm (other than a warning about the missing group) if it doesn't exist
[09:52] <ogra_> sure, i just need to make sure yours doesnt override them :)
[09:52] <pitti> ogra_: we've had the rule for ages, I just got a bug report about the warning
[09:53] <ogra_> some binary drivers need the devices at a certain GID since they have that hardcoded (yay android)
[09:53] <pitti> ogra_: it's in 50-udev-default.rules, so anything later than 50- would override it
[09:53] <ogra_> ah, good
[09:53] <ogra_> we're at 60 and 75 with our stuff, should be fine then
[09:54] <pitti> ogra_: btw, nice debugging with the "failed to boot" thread -- seems it's now working for him (by and large)
[09:54] <ogra_> yeah, he needs the apparmor patches still
[09:54] <ogra_> i guess thats the point where i'll hand over to paolo :)
[10:19] <Mirv> tsdgeos: oSoMoN: FYI I probably found an autopilot regression with Qt 5.4 bug #1417963 - not much more expected, for example Unity8, UITK fine
[10:19] <Mirv> weather app is another possibility, I'll do some reruns still. currently it'd look like it has 1 failure on Qt 5.3 and 5 failures on Qt 5.4.
[11:24] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, hey, have you seen my last comment on https://code.launchpad.net/~rpadovani/webbrowser-app/fixBookmarkDesign/+merge/247512 ?
[11:40] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, done. why do you prefer anchors over heigth/width?
[11:44] <oSoMoN> rpadovani, anchors are more efficient when reflowing (if e.g. the window is resized)
[11:46] <rpadovani> oSoMoN, thanks for info :-)
[12:19] <adrian47> How should i flash my UT port to device?
[12:46] <adrian47> Any porting notes existing? Maybe should i abandon porting.....
[12:56] <jgdx> kenvandine, the tech switch silo is ready
[13:04] <popey> adrian47: the porting guide is being re-written, should be finished soon
[13:10] <dholbach> zsombi, re bug  1404642: the new page is https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/tutorials/
[13:10] <dholbach> or rather https://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/qml/tutorials/
[13:10] <dholbach> the docs still link to the old page, which I made a redirect
[13:12] <zsombi> dholbach: well, what can we do about that :)
[13:15] <dholbach> zsombi, sorry, now I see where the issue is coming from
[13:15] <dholbach> nevermind
[13:16] <zsombi> dholbach: :)
[13:18] <dholbach> zsombi, found another broken link though: https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-broken-link/+merge/248545 :)
[13:20] <zsombi> dholbach: pls submit the proposal against staging
[13:22] <dholbach> hum
[13:23] <dholbach> grrrrrrrr
[13:23] <zsombi> dholbach: lp:ubuntu-ui-toolkit/staging
[13:27] <dholbach> zsombi, https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-broken-link/+merge/248548
[13:27] <zsombi> dholbach: looks much better :)
[13:44] <Mirv> right, weather app cleared, no regression with Qt 5.4
[13:44] <Mirv> so far only known autopilot regression would be that webbrowser-app's one AP, pretty good
[13:45] <Mirv> popey: do you have your "run all store apps and take screenshot" usable at some point? upgrading vivid to ppa:ci-train-ppa-service/landing-005 (Qt 5.4) and executing it would be nice to get an overview that nothing extremely bad is happening on the app side
[13:46] <popey> Mirv: I haven't used it for a while, but can certainly try it. Last time I tried there was some change in powerd which broke my script
[13:46] <popey> will try it though
[13:46] <Mirv> popey: oh, ok. thanks! let's see if it's easy or seems hard to do.
[13:47] <popey> kk
[14:00] <kenvandine> jgdx, woot
[14:00] <jgdx> kenvandine, indeed
[14:15] <jgdx> kenvandine, might have to top approve that one as well
[14:16] <jgdx> kenvandine, could you review [1] when you get the chance? [1] https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/rtm-othervibrate/+merge/247819
[14:19] <adrian47> popey: is possible to get it in actual stage? I don't know even how to properly flash it to device
[14:19] <popey> adrian47: "it"?
[14:20] <ogra_> adrian47, however you have to flash your device ... thats not covered at all by the porting guide (and never was)
[14:20] <ogra_> since it is totally specific to the device itself and how it was rooted etc
[14:23] <adrian47>  i tried few methods, only easy script that unpacked all files from preinstalled archive (with inserted system.img etc..)  looks like works, partition mounted properly, system.img file too
[14:24] <adrian47> it runs to woring adb stage, android init mount graphic etc. drivers and then i am getting upstart error
[14:24] <kenvandine> jgdx, sure
[14:25] <ogra_> adrian47, got a paste of this ?
[14:25] <ogra_> (or of the syslog on the device)
[14:28] <adrian47> ogra_: yes, give me a second
[14:34] <jhodapp> kenvandine, yes indeed, background playlists might actually be implemented in our next iteration
[14:34] <jhodapp> kenvandine, it's become a very high priority now
[14:34] <kenvandine> jhodapp, WOOT
[14:35] <jhodapp> kenvandine, and then we can bring back the indicator controls too
[14:42] <kenvandine> jhodapp, more awesomeness :)
[14:42] <jhodapp> kenvandine, yeah, really it's one of the last major features missing from media-hub
[14:43] <jhodapp> kenvandine, I can't wait to have support for it too
[14:44] <ahayzen> background playlists \o/
[14:45] <popey> oooh
[14:45] <popey> knew that would wake ahayzen up
[14:45] <jhodapp> hehe
[14:45] <ahayzen> popey, i did go to bed after 0600UTC :P
[14:45] <popey> heh
[14:45]  * ogra_ still waits for .m3u8 support :)
[14:45] <jhodapp> ogra_, but that's Apple technology ;)
[14:45] <ogra_> no
[14:45] <ahayzen> popey, but i was having too much fun deferring loading of things and reducing startup time of the music-app :)
[14:45] <ogra_> thats unicode m3u
[14:46] <jhodapp> ogra_, it's all HTTP live streaming playlists
[14:46] <ogra_> (usually there is an apple tech link behind it though, thats right)
[14:46] <jhodapp> also
[14:47] <davmor2> ogra_: only listen to English groups and stop with the German Ompa music ;) does that work on desktop out of interest on a more serious note?
[14:47] <jhodapp> lol
[14:47] <ogra_> davmor2, thats for the SAT->IP streams of my sat receiver ... for TV
[14:49] <davmor2> ogra_: well snappy must support that then right being the iot os :P  you still didn't say if they work on desktop though :)
[14:51] <ogra_> davmor2, they work fine in mplayer and vlc ... and kind of work in totem
[14:51] <ogra_> i actually tried to roll an mplayer click package for this ... sadly i can only get sound since mplayer has no mir frontend
[14:51] <davmor2> ogra_: nice so there is support for them you just need to get vlc to do an ubuntu port right ;)
[14:51] <dobey> mardy: hey, were you able to get the tests fixed for the p2p socket change?
[14:51] <ogra_> and its sdl frontend is sdl 1.x only
[14:52] <davmor2> ogra_: man that sucks
[14:52] <ogra_> davmor2, easier ... i just need mir support in either of the players
[14:52] <ogra_> or sdl2
[14:52] <davmor2> ogra_: mpv for the win though
[14:53] <studio_> hi
[14:56] <ogra_> davmor2, i bet i could just ship xmir inside the click though ... and have mplayer use X11 ;)
[14:56] <ogra_> never tried that ... and it would indeed need to be unconfined
[14:58] <studio_> @orga_ can you help me to set up the correct channel for ubuntu-device-flash to flash my phone?
[14:59] <ogra_> stdid BQ answer you yet how to unlock your bootloader and recovery ?
[14:59] <ogra_> studio_, ^1
[14:59] <studio_> i am not sure between ubuntu-device-flash --channel=ubuntu-touch/rc/bq-aquaris.en --bootstrap or ubuntu-device-flash --channel=ubuntu-touch/rc/bq-aquaris.en/krillin --bootstrap
[15:00] <studio_> boot loader was still unlocked :(
[15:01] <rvr> boiko: ping
[15:01] <boiko> rvr: pong
[15:01] <rvr> boiko: Silo 4. Looks good so far
[15:01] <boiko> rvr: nice!
[15:02] <rvr> boiko: But the test case being solved, I cannot confirm it works, I have support for call waiting.
[15:02] <boiko> rvr: so, here to test I have one simcard that doesn't support conference calling and when trying to merge the dialog is shown
[15:03] <rvr> boiko: What? Haven't you already tested it? ;P
[15:04] <boiko> rvr: I tested it, I am just telling you how I tested it :)
[15:04] <boiko> rvr: I think you can disable call waiting with your carrier, but that really depends on the carrier (the way to enable/disable it)
[15:04] <rvr> boiko: Let me check.
[15:06] <adrian47> adb logcat: http://pastebin.com/MwFjaW4G       ;       last_kmsg: http://pastebin.com/9pwThC6J
[15:07] <adrian47> ogra_: I added some small debug code in touch script
[15:09] <ogra_> adrian47, you boot android there ...
[15:12] <dholbach> zsombi, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/ubuntu-sdk-team-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-staging-vivid-i386-autolanding/92/console - I don't know what's happening, but I don't think that's related to the URL change, right? :)
[15:15] <studio_> @ogra_, could you please answer in the private window?
[15:16] <rvr> boiko: Ok, I was able to trigger the "Conference call failure" dialog
[15:16] <boiko> rvr: nice!
[15:17] <adrian47> ogra_: so how should I boot it?
[15:17] <rvr> boiko: Silo 4 approved.
[15:18] <boiko> rvr: great! thanks :)
[15:19] <rvr> boiko: Make sure the strings get into Launchpad for translation
[15:19] <ogra_> adrian47, for some reason the BOOT_MODE variable points to android instead of ubuntu ... see the touch script in the initrd ...
[15:20] <boiko> rvr: yep, I will update the pot files
[15:23] <adrian47> ogra_: thanks I see, whe I use ubuntu boot  mode the line "mount --move /android-system ${rootmnt}/android/system" from touch script don't work
[15:23] <ogra_> so find out why and fix it :)
[15:26] <adrian47> ogra_: i tried some time ago but without luck :) before moving in /android-system i se all files, but after there is nothing in /root/android/system
[15:30] <studio_> @ogra_, BQ told me today, that they can't help and i have to ask at
[15:30] <studio_> "http://ubuntuforums.org/" ... and today i have also seen, that rsalveti is using this phone ... hmmmm ...
[15:36] <dobey> studio_: rsalveti has a development phone, not a production consumer phone
[15:37] <dobey> we already explaind this the other day
[15:39] <mardy> dobey: silo 3 is now built, I'm testing it
[15:39] <mardy> dobey: actually, if you have some time, it would be great if you could test it too
[15:42] <dobey> mardy: already did. dbarth pinged me in the other channel. seems to work well for me on vivid, for the store scope :)
[15:43] <mardy> dobey: cool, what about pay ui?
[15:44] <dobey> mardy: yeah, pay-ui works well. i guess i should have just said "store" and left off the scope. i consider pay-ui an integral part of functionality for the store :)
[15:45] <Riddell> hola, I've installed my nexus 5 with  ubuntu-device-flash --server="http://system-image.tasemnice.eu" touch --channel="ubuntu-touch/devel"  but now adb root says "adbd cannot run as root in production builds" and adb shell won't let me sudo (password phablet doesn't work) how can I get root access?
[15:46] <dobey> Riddell: the sudo password is the same as you use for lock screen
[15:46] <ogra_> Riddell, what made you think to use password "phablet" ?
[15:46] <dobey> Riddell: so 1234 if your pin is 1234
[15:46] <ogra_> right
[15:46] <Riddell> genius
[15:46] <Riddell> ogra_: lots of pages google returns :)
[15:47] <ogra_> studio_, sorry, super busy today
[15:47] <dobey> ogra_: well it used to just be phablet like 18 months ago or whatever :)
[15:47] <dobey> so lots of forum posts and such say to use that
[15:58] <mardy> zsombi: thanks for your suggestion to bug 1404884, that worked; but it revealed another similar issue, I added the "fixed" test to the bug :-)
[15:58] <studio_> @dobey on the video his phone is looking same as the E4.5
[15:59] <studio_> ok, bbl. bye
[16:40] <Riddell> what's the mir equivalent of  export DISPLAY=:0; xclock  ?
[16:41] <Riddell> export MIR_SOCKET=/run/user/32011/mir_socket; /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/bin/qmlscene $@ share/qml/ubuntu-clock-app.qml   doesn't seem to be enough
[17:00] <clitjes> Hi there, I've got a question. I want to start off porting ubuntu touch to a phone with a friend of mine. I'm a novice in porting so I was wondering if you guys could suggest me a phone to buy to startoff porting. I'm currently looking at the One Plus One, any other suggestions?
[17:01] <Guest11855> hello ineed help to install ubuntu phone touch on iphone4
[17:01] <popey> Guest11855: not happening.
[17:02] <clitjes> Because it's not really clear to me what I should look for. I don't want a nexus because they work out of the box ;-)
[17:02] <popey> clitjes: I hear that's an excellent device, I can see people wouild like that
[17:03] <clitjes> popey: Do you think that it's possible for 2 novice porters? We have alot of general linux experience.
[17:03] <Guest11855> some one help please
[17:03] <popey> Guest11855: you won't be able to port to iphone.
[17:04] <popey> clitjes: I don't know, not done it myself. Our porting guide is being updated. Maybe wait till you see that.
[17:04] <Guest11855> so is not possible
[17:04] <popey> Guest11855: correct.
[17:05] <popey> Guest11855: someone at some point in the distant future may be able to do it, but it's just not possible really right now.
[17:05] <clitjes> popey: Yeah I'll wait for that, got really exited after the fosdem talk. I'm a great supporter of the ubuntu touch philosophy.
[17:05] <popey> You were at fosdem?
[17:05] <popey> Saviq's talk was good. Glad he left a lot of time for questions.
[17:06] <studio_> back
[17:06] <Saviq> there should be videos up soon
[17:06] <clitjes> popey: Yeah I liked the talk
[17:07] <clitjes> ahh Saviq that name sounds familiar ;-)
[17:07] <Guest11855> but is possible install android on iphone 4 and before install ubuntu touch
[17:07] <clitjes> Saviq: Great talk!
[17:07] <Saviq> clitjes, glad
[17:07] <studio_> after some reading i am now confused. how can i figure out if the bootloader from my device is locked or unlocked?
[17:07] <greyback> duflu: FYI I added comment to this https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/qtmir/fix-buffers_ready_for_compositor/+merge/248511
[17:08] <popey> Guest11855: nope
[17:08] <Guest11855> ok thankyou
[17:08] <duflu> greyback: Thanks I forgot. Too many distractions
[17:09] <clitjes> Thnx guys for the help, I'm getting the One Plus One and start porting when the new HowTo is ready. Any idea when it will be ready?
[17:10] <popey> clitjes: ask davidcalle - he's writing it :)
[17:10] <clitjes> Saviq: If you already mentioned this at Fosdem then I'm sorry I didn't remeber this
[17:10] <davidcalle> clitjes, will be out this friday :)
[17:10] <clitjes> popey: what's the best way to get in contact? Just wait for a reply in the channel
[17:11] <popey> look up :)
[17:11] <clitjes> great! then I've got some prep work to do in the weekends
[17:11] <popey> clitjes: good luck!
[17:11] <clitjes> thnx guys! you'll see our work if we get it up and running!
[17:11] <clitjes> cya
[17:11] <davidcalle> clitjes, and I'll be waiting for your feedback ;)
[17:11] <clitjes> ofc
[17:11] <popey> yeah, that's a great point, clitjes you may be the first person using it
[17:11] <popey> feedback would be very helpful.
[17:12] <clitjes> If I encouter anything I'll write it down and let you guys know
[17:12] <popey> you know where to find us :)
[17:16] <popey> beuno: I have installed a new dekko package, and because the developer had to switch from the old namespace to the new one, I now have two copies installed. That's not supposed to happen is it?
[17:16] <popey> com.ubuntu.developer.dpniel.dekko       0.4-204-Dirty
[17:16] <popey> dekko.dekkoproject      0.4-253
[17:16] <beuno> popey, it is, the developer can upload to the old namespace
[17:16] <beuno> if the developer switches, it's a new app
[17:17] <popey> i sideloaded
[17:17] <popey> ick, I said "sideload".
[17:17] <beuno> k
[17:17] <beuno> so there you go
[17:28] <I-am-Groot> Hello
[17:30] <I-am-Groot> I really love this project but i know little about Ubuntu touch
[17:30] <I-am-Groot> A certain Dev called David Hacker was the one who ported it to our moto droid razr
[17:31] <I-am-Groot> But he is no where to be found lol
[17:33] <studio_> please, how can i figure out if the bootloader from my device is locked or unlocked?
[17:39] <jesuschrist> hey all
[17:40] <dobey> studio_: did you unlock it? if not, it's locked.
[17:40] <studio_> i am not sure, how to figure out if the bootloader is locked or unlocked?
[17:41] <dobey> studio_: if you did not unlock it, then it is locked. it is that simple
[17:41] <dobey> you do not have a development device that is already unlocked. you have a retail device which is locked.
[17:41] <studio_> sure it is locked by factory?
[17:43] <dobey> i am pretty certain that manufacturers ship retail phones that are locked, yes
[17:44] <dobey> and i'm pretty certain the retail phones that come with ubuntu on them, will also be locked
[17:44] <studio_> ok :(
[17:46] <studio_> who is the right person at BQ to ask for help? Mr. Martínez seems to be not?
[17:47] <dobey> you would have to ask BQ that
[17:48] <I-am-Groot> hmmm no replies huh??
[17:49] <studio_> i asked at bq, and they told me i have to ask at "http://ubuntuforums.org/"
[17:50] <I-am-Groot> okay....
[17:51] <studio_> so, do i talk to the wrong person at bq?
[17:52] <dobey> bq support is bq support, talking to someone else at bq probably isn't going to get you the answer you want
[17:52] <dobey> studio_: like we said the other day, you will have to be patient and wait until they perform the actual public release.
[17:53] <studio_> that is what i mean ... so therefore i thought i can get help here in the chat ...
[17:54] <dobey> the advice i have for you has not changed. it is "be patient"
[17:55] <studio_> @dobey i thought i can "try" it before it will be public ... i am "nosy" ... ;)
[17:57] <dobey> then go nose around xda dev forums and see if anyone has figured out how to unlock your phone
[17:57] <dobey> that's the best place to get info on how to unlock various phones
[17:59] <studio_> i tried today to find more informations, therefore i was happy to find this video: http://people.canonical.com/~rsalveti/VID_20150127_161410.mp4
[18:06] <rsalveti> studio_: this is from an early prototype though
[18:07] <studio_> yes, but the phone is a BQ E4.5
[18:08] <studio_> did i made a mistake to buy the BQ E4.5?
[18:08] <rsalveti> studio_: there is no easy way to flash ubuntu right now on bq e4.5, it should be doable once bq releases their binaries for it
[18:08] <rsalveti> because there is a different partition table for ubuntu, so it's not just flashing the rootfs, might require some additional changes
[18:09] <rsalveti> that's why I'd also suggest you to wait at least a few more days
[18:16] <studio_> @rsalveti, thanks for your answer, so in the moment i have the chance to send back my E4.5 . I bought for Ubuntu-Touch and not for Android!
[18:17] <rsalveti> studio_: right, you will be able to buy one with ubuntu-touch soon
[18:17] <studio_> there is no "Super-Phone" for Ubuntu-Touch right now therefore i bought the "small" version to test it ...
[18:19] <studio_> @rsalveti, i don't understand is the "other" version different?
[18:20] <rsalveti> studio_: as I said, the bootloader at least is different, so you need the official bq binaries and tools to flash it
[18:20] <rsalveti> so either you buy one with ubuntu touch on it, or wait it to be officially released and ask instructions from bq on how to flash the ubuntu version on it
[18:22] <studio_> for exp. "on my risc" is it possible to flash your uboot.bin?
[18:23] <rsalveti> it might yes, I don't know exactly as I never tried
[18:23] <studio_> ;)
[18:24] <elopio> ping ricmm, I'm trying your fake sensor fixture in the emulator, and the apps don't rotate in there. Any idea why is that?
[18:26] <adrian47> ogra_: http://pastebin.com/13cZszrM
[18:27] <ogra_> adrian47, that looks a lot more like an ubuntu boot :)
[18:28] <ogra_> [    8.341003] init: ureadahead-touch main process (1447) terminated with status 5
[18:28] <ogra_> this is the first upstart job on the system
[18:28] <ogra_> so you booted into the ubuntu rootfs using upstart ...
[18:30] <ogra_> adrian47, i guess you want to create a udev rules file for your device now
[18:30] <ogra_> there are some notes on the old deprecated porting guide for this
[18:30] <studio_> @rsalveti, i compared today my lk.bin and the uboot.img, most things are same, but in the beginning many things are different ... therefore i am not sure to "test" it. Last tome when i tried a different bootloader i destroid a 10" tabet ;)
[18:30] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/DeprecatedPorting
[18:31] <rsalveti> studio_: right, that is why I'd suggest waiting for the new binary at least
[18:31] <ogra_> (in " w-flo's notes")
[18:31] <rvr> dbarth: For tomorrow, ping osomon about silo 8, because it is failing for me. The eBay video is not played smoothly, CPU usage goes over 150%.
[18:33] <adrian47> ogra_: many thanks, i wil try it :)
[18:33] <ogra_> adrian47, i would also check the kernel config seems some device bits arent properly working yet
[18:34] <studio_> @rsalveti, did you get my email?
[18:35] <rvr> Chipaca: Hi. About silo 7 (notification flooding). Do you have an automated test for that? Neither the test plan or the bug report have a test case.
[18:35] <rsalveti> studio_: not sure, which email did you use?
[18:36] <studio_> your domain
[18:36] <dbarth> rvr: still?
[18:36] <dbarth> rvr: can you comment on the bug with the url/video you are using
[18:36] <rvr> dbarth: Sure.
[18:38] <dbarth> rvr: i've tried various videos mentioned in the bug and that was playing well once the fix was made
[18:38] <rsalveti> studio_: I think you might need to flash a few additional files for it to work fully, so I'd not suggest you to flash just uboot for now
[18:38] <adrian47> ogra_: i swapped partitions in boot cmdline  (system with data), should i change it in fstab too?
[18:38] <dbarth> rvr: if you play embeded videos, ie youtube hosted on another site, we still  have the issue, but really that's a very involved fix
[18:39] <rvr> dbarth: I used this one http://pages.ebay.com/shoptheworld/
[18:39] <studio_> if you got my email, maybe you can help by email?
[18:40] <ogra_> studio_, what do you expect from rsalveti ? he doesnt have the tools that BQ has to release to make locked bootloaders work
[18:41] <ogra_> nobody in here can help you to unlock your bootloader or re-partition your device
[18:41] <ogra_> only BQ can
[18:41] <rsalveti> studio_: can't really help you might because of the BQ specific binaries
[18:41]  * ogra_ feels like a broken LP
[18:42] <ogra_> you need to wait for them to release the tools ... which they will likely do once they released the phone
[18:43] <studio_> @ogra_, for what do i need the bootloader from BQ if i can flash the whole image with the MTK-Flash-Tool, that is what i do not understand?
[18:43] <ogra_> studio_, the phone is partitioned differently for ubuntu
[18:43] <rsalveti> right, not only the boot loader, there are some additional files that are critical for the phone to work
[18:44] <ogra_> it uses a specific recovery too
[18:45] <studio_> " the phone is partitioned differently for ubuntu" i understand that, but if i flash a new image, isn't there right now the new partition?
[18:46] <ogra_> no
[18:46] <rsalveti> the partitioning specific files (and some others), are not available on system-image
[18:46] <ogra_> the filesystem of the image wont fit into the partition
[18:46] <rsalveti> they will be available when bq publishes that
[18:51] <kenvandine> ugh, mako #89 has some real issues!
[18:52] <kenvandine> not only does the dash not load at all... but it keeps switching away from any apps you have running
[18:57] <studio_> "they will be available when bq publishes that" are you sure bq will publish the user to decide Android or Ubuntu-Touch?
[19:04] <dobey> studio_: again, no, we aren't sure of what bq will do in that respect. YOU HAVE TO ASK BQ
[19:07] <dobey> studio_: if nobody on xda developers forum has unlocked and repartitioned the existing android bq phone, then it's unlikely you will be able to. the only way i know of to do it, is to get bq to give you the tools/instructions to do it.
[19:08] <kenvandine> is unity8-dash crashing for anyone else in #89?
[19:08] <kenvandine> bug 1418176
[19:15] <studio_> @dobey, here the replay from BQ to my question: Leider verfügen wir zur Zeit keine Information auf.
[19:15] <studio_> Sie können bei den Forum der Ubuntugemeinschaft einen Post schreiben damit
[19:15] <studio_> andere Users Ihnen helfen können.
[19:15] <studio_> [1]http://ubuntuforums.org/
[19:15] <studio_> Entschuldigen Sie die Unannehmlichkeiten.
[19:15] <studio_> Wir stehen für Ihrer Verfügung.
[19:15] <studio_> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
[19:15] <studio_>
[19:15] <studio_> Emilio Martínez
[19:16] <studio_> and?
[19:16] <dobey> und nein sprechen ze deutcshe
[19:17] <studio_> sorry, the reply was in german ...
[19:17] <studio_> BQ can't / will help, therfore i am here
[19:18] <popey> we can't help.
[19:18] <kenvandine> studio_, they haven't released the phone yet, so i doubt they would do anything before that
[19:18] <kenvandine> studio_, and really it's nothing we can help with
[19:19] <studio_> so i have to wait till the 06/02/2014 ?
[19:19] <kenvandine> they will be releasing the phone soon, so i'd imagine the rest will follow quickly
[19:19] <popey> not the 6th, no.
[19:19] <popey> beyond that, but that's up to bq, not us.
[19:20] <kenvandine> studio_, you have to wait until BQ releases their stuff
[19:20] <kenvandine> whenever that is
[19:20] <studio_> i thouht they will show it on the 6th ?
[19:20] <popey> you'll have to ask them when they're releasing
[19:20] <dobey> i don't know, bq is bq, bq is not ubuntu. they are just shipping a phone with ubuntu on it
[19:21] <dobey> just like we can't tell you when dell will release a new PC/laptop with ubuntu available by default
[19:21] <studio_> @dobey, what will be the ubuntu-phone?
[19:22] <kenvandine> studio_, we know there will be the BQ device with ubuntu, if that's what you mean
[19:22] <dobey> i don't know what you are asking. bq is shipping a phone with ubuntu on it. i have ubuntu on two phones sitting in front of me, both of them google nexus devices
[19:22] <kenvandine> but releasing it is up to BQ
[19:22] <pascat> Hello. I am now flashing my nexus4 with Ubuntu Touch... question is... I have the ubuntu symbol spinning with a bar underneath, its been going for several minutes now. Is it normal?
[19:22] <kenvandine> and more useful for you is when they will release to tools to unlock it
[19:22] <kenvandine> which will be after that
[19:22] <popey> pascat: yeah, it takes a while
[19:22] <dobey> pascat: yes, it's installing. it may take some time
[19:22] <studio_> @dobey, simple question
[19:23] <pascat> ...and the screen goes black now, and there's nothing :/
[19:23] <dobey> studio_: ubuntu (and canonical) do not make phones. there is no "ubuntu phone" there are phones which run ubuntu on them, the os that we make and have ported to work on phones
[19:24] <dobey> pascat: it will reboot, then it will go into unity, and the screen may power off while it's booting up. try tapping the power button if that's the case
[19:24] <studio_> k, on what phone will ubuntu-touch be launched?
[19:25] <dobey> ubuntu is already launched. the first phone to be shipped with ubuntu on it for retail, will be the bq phone (as i'm sure you've already read in several articles across the internets)
[19:25] <pascat> Canonical at some point wanted to develop its own phone for it... had a whole kickstarter project... it failed however.
[19:25] <dobey> indiegogo, and i don't know if i'd call getting halfway through a $32M goal as "failing" exactly
[19:26] <dobey> the funding goal was not met, so some priorties were changed as a result
[19:26] <kenvandine> it proved the demand
[19:26] <dobey> kenvandine: exactly. we just need to get one in stephen fry's hands :)
[19:27] <pascat> stephen fry?
[19:28] <kenvandine> indeed
[19:29] <dobey> yeah, the looming voice of little big planet
[19:29] <kenvandine> pascat, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/08/stephen-fry-backs-ubuntu-edge
[19:29] <studio_> @dobey, i think we are talking in a circle, BQ told me month ago they will launch the BQ E4.5 for ubuntu touch. But since now i get no information from the official sides .. therefore i am here.
[19:30] <dobey> studio_: no, you're just ignoring what people are telling you
[19:30] <kenvandine> studio_, they are releasing it with ubuntu
[19:30] <kenvandine> studio_, they just haven't yet
[19:30] <kenvandine> studio_, and more importantly for you, they haven't released the tools to unlock it
[19:30] <kenvandine> but they should
[19:30] <pascat> woa. This is nice. o.o
[19:31] <john-mcaleely> kenvandine, studio_ BQ release all the tools you need to unlock/reflash android
[19:31] <kenvandine> studio_, so what you need is in the hands of BQ, not us
[19:31] <pascat> its working now, all nice and proper!
[19:31] <dobey> well, instead of buying a current androaid bq phone and hoping to unlock it, you should have just waited until the one is released that comes with ubuntu
[19:31] <john-mcaleely> when they eventually release the Ubuntu phone, what do you think is most likely?
[19:31] <pascat> How's Ubuntu Touch on battery life?
[19:31] <john-mcaleely> however, that phone *has not been released* yet.
[19:31] <davmor2> studio_: the Launch event is Friday, note launch events are not releases, BQ at some point after the Launch event will start selling the  phone
[19:31] <dobey> pascat: better now, but not awesome yet
[19:32] <davmor2> pascat: day to a day and half, QA and the foundations team are working together to improve it though :)
[19:33] <dobey> davmor2: i wish i got battery life like that on my nexus 5
[19:33] <pascat> the UI is very intuitive however. Everything flows along well, and no encumbering buttons that takes up half the screen. Really nice.
[19:34] <kenvandine> my nexus 4 lasts more than a day
[19:35] <Chipaca> rvr: hi
[19:35] <davmor2> dobey: I was talking nexus 4,  there is possibly little work being done on the n5 as it isn't officially supported, my n4 lasts fairly well, krillin similar but on the whole a little less the n7 it the one that always out lasts the rest the n10 being the lowest by a long shot
[19:35] <Chipaca> rvr: you still there?
[19:35] <dobey> kenvandine: my n4 lasts like 3 days, but it has no sim and i usually leave bluetooth and gps turned off since i don't need them on it, as it's just for testing :)
[19:35] <studio_> "note launch events are not releases, BQ at some point after the Launch event will start selling the  phone" and they told me sell is not before 03/2015
[19:36] <davmor2> kenvandine: your not abusing as much as I do though :)
[19:36] <dobey> davmor2: well, the n7 not having GSM and a sim card will do wonders for battery life :)
[19:36] <kenvandine> davmor2, i use it a lot
[19:36] <studio_> therefore i asked, did i bought the right phone?
[19:36] <davmor2> dobey: and not having a 10inch screen helps too
[19:37] <davmor2> kenvandine: I do about 8 flashes a day on it :)
[19:37] <dobey> studio_: right phone for what? the bq phone with ubuntu is not released yet, so you couldn't possibly buy one :)
[19:37] <kenvandine> davmor2, yeah... my daily  driver, so i try not to flash it
[19:37] <dobey> davmor2: indeed
[19:37] <studio_> I can't find informations about "the Ubuntu-Phone"
[19:37] <davmor2> studio_: that because there isn't one yet
[19:38] <popey> studio_: you've been given it numerous times here, by people who work on the software....
[19:38] <studio_> normally i am looking for a "high end" ubuntu phone !
[19:38] <pascat> ...Ubuntu One still exists?
[19:39] <dobey> studio_: first step would be stop ignoring all the information that people are giving you
[19:39] <studio_> but since now i only find low end ...
[19:39] <dobey> pascat: of course. but there is no file sync any more
[19:43] <pascat> lets go see what's in the store. :D
[19:44] <davmor2> pascat: install dekko, beru, machine vs machine that should get you started :)
[19:44] <studio_> @dobey, i don't "ignore" the messages! i understand, all developers are busy ...
[19:45] <pascat> Oh. Evernote is built-in? Neat o.o
[19:45] <davmor2> pascat: through the reminders app :)
[19:45] <dobey> studio_: no, it has nothign to do with being busy
[19:46] <dobey> studio_: but this is not #bq. we can't tell you what bq will or will not do at some arbitrary point in the future.
[19:46] <studio_> so it is depending on what?
[19:46] <pascat> Ubuntu Touch seems fairly secure too...everytimes an app wants to access something, it has to ask for permission. Android does not do that!
[19:46] <dobey> all we can tell you is that they will release a phone with ubuntu on it, and when that happens you can buy one.
[19:47] <studio_> I want a Ubuntu-Touch Phone, so what do i need to buy with support?
[19:47] <pascat> Get yourself a used Nexus 4...and flash it in. (Used, so you don't have to void a precious warranty)
[19:48] <dobey> there are no phones which ship with ubuntu on them yet.
[19:48] <kenvandine> the nexus 4 is easy to unlock, and works well
[19:48] <dobey> if you want to install ubuntu on a pre-existing android phone, the nexus 4 is the best option, as i previously told you multiple times
[19:48] <pascat> I bought a nexus 4 FOR Ubuntu Touch hehe.
[19:48] <popey> :)
[19:49] <dobey> if you want better hardware than that, with less functionality, the nexus 5 also works
[19:50] <studio_> hmmm, is there no Ubuntu-Touch phone?
[19:50] <pascat> ... tried to use an Unlocking Tool on Windows... it failed hardcore. Try on ubuntu, install the flashing tools... then ... "What... three codes of lines and its unlocked?
[19:50] <popey> studio_: enough now.
[19:50] <dobey> oh FFS
[19:50] <dobey> pascat: well, it's Windows :)
[19:50] <studio_> @popey, sorry ...
[19:51] <studio_> @popey, since the A720 i am waiting for a new Linux-Phone
[19:52] <popey> So a few more weeks won't hurt.
[19:52] <sergiusens> studio_: you've waited long enough, a couple more days can't hurt
[19:52] <pascat> it doesn't ship with Ubuntu... if you are capable of reading, and have a bit of patience, you can easily flash it yourself. If it fails... Its also rather easy to get Android back on it. A nexus 4 makes it a breeze though, the hardware works flawlessly with it! Some apps are a bit laggy though... but generally, its really nice and smooth.
[19:52] <adrian47> ogra_: I made udev file but it didn't changed anything for now
[19:56] <pascat> How do I uninstall apps? I want Amazon and ebay out of there. :)
[19:57] <studio_> @sergiusens, for sure ;)
[19:57] <davmor2> pascat: press and hold the app it will take you to the info page it has an uninstall button on it
[19:58] <pascat> .......... just like Scopes...
[19:58] <davmor2> pascat: it is a scope :)
[20:00] <pascat> I'm adoring it thus far. A few apps I won't be able to use, but I can find alternatives. ((A pathfinder spellbook, namely))
[20:01] <pascat> does it allow USB Tethering yet?
[20:01] <pascat> Don't like Bluetooth, always found that to be insecure, so its always off heh.
[20:05] <dobey> bluetooth is reasonably secure, particularly with bt 4.0+
[20:05] <dobey> but no, network tethering is not yet supported
[20:06] <pascat> Linux is a champ on networking, I'd have thought that tethering would have worked. Oh well.
[20:07] <dobey> well, the kernel doesn't provide the UI and all the necessary integration bits that tie it all together
[20:07] <dobey> and those don't exist yet :)
[20:10] <studio_> one last question for today, will thunderbird , with its plugins, available for Ubuntu-Touch?
[20:11] <davmor2> pascat: you can do usb tethering it needs a little hack ogra_ CAN POSSIBLY POINT YOU AT IT
[20:11] <davmor2> ogra_: sorry about that tapped caps and didn't realise
[20:11] <davmor2> studio_: no
[20:12] <studio_> why?
[20:12] <studio_> i am missing gnupg and x.509
[20:12] <kenvandine> pascat, the UI for tethering in settings should come real soon
[20:12] <taiebot> Hi all. Has anyone ever reported the scroll sometimes going on the other direction than the one desired.  It happens on every apps where you can scroll i suppose it is either a sensitivity issue or a mir issue
[20:12] <davmor2> studio_: because there is no mir plugin for for thunderbird or firefox so neither will work on the phone
[20:13] <studio_> firefox is still working on the emu, isn't it?
[20:14] <davmor2> studio_: no it uses ubuntu's own web browser
[20:14] <taiebot> studio_ the default browser is very good.
[20:14] <studio_> on the emu i can do apt-get install firfox
[20:14] <studio_> firefox
[20:16] <studio_> therefore i thought thunderbird will be also possilble in the final realease ...
[20:16] <davmor2> studio_: no
[20:17] <studio_> so how to uses gnupg or x.509 in ubuntu touch?
[20:17] <studio_> for email i mean ...
[20:20] <studio_> not supported?
[20:20] <popey> studio_: we don't have a solution for that right now.
[20:20] <popey> firefox and thunderbird won't work on the device
[20:20] <studio_> this is a joke, isn't it?
[20:20] <popey> I'm not laughing.
[20:21] <studio_> so?
[20:21] <popey> So I'm not joking.
[20:21] <kenvandine> studio_, firefox and thunderbird can't work on the device right now
[20:21] <kenvandine> but we have a pretty good browser on the phone
[20:21] <kenvandine> i really like it ;)
[20:22] <studio_> so what email-client to use for gnupg or x.509 on ubuntu touch?
[20:22] <taiebot> me too. Browser is one of the best thing of UT
[20:22] <kenvandine> dunno... never tried
[20:22] <popey> 20:20 < popey> studio_: we don't have a solution for that right now.
[20:22] <popey> studio_: you're not doing this whole reading thing again.
[20:23] <studio_> so i can still use gmail ???
[20:23] <studio_> *lol*
[20:23] <kenvandine> i use gmail :)
[20:23] <studio_> no, come on ...
[20:23] <taiebot> Hey guys have you had a look at my comment earlier ^ regarding the scrolling issue
[20:24] <kenvandine> i keep meaning to switch to  dekko
[20:24] <kenvandine> taiebot, didn't see it
[20:24] <kenvandine> i'm still wondering why the dash doesn't start on mako #89 :)
[20:24] <popey> not seen that
[20:24] <kenvandine> impossible to test stuff with this situation :/
[20:25] <kenvandine> i guess i need to flash back to 88
[20:25] <kenvandine> oSoMoN, hey, we've been complimenting the browser while you've been away, great work!
[20:26] <oSoMoN> thanks :)
[20:27] <oSoMoN> I’ll look up the IRC logs for the channel
[20:27]  * popey rushes to delete them so oSoMoN doesn't get too big-headed
[20:27] <kenvandine> lol
[20:27] <oSoMoN> :)
[20:27] <kenvandine> popey is evil
[20:27] <popey> correct
[20:28] <studio_> @popey, you want to publish an os without gnupg nor x.509 via email?
[20:28] <kenvandine> studio_, popey is evil :-D
[20:29] <oSoMoN> so, either the logs are not available yet, or popey actually deleted them already :)
[20:29] <popey> Mwhahahahahaa
[20:29] <studio_> i think so ... ;)
[20:29] <kenvandine> studio_, you can file a bug against dekko asking for the feature
[20:29] <davmor2> kenvandine: no popey is taking lessons in evil from me, he's evil-ish, true evil would never announce they were deleting the logs they'd just modify so they looked bad :)
[20:29] <popey> studio_: it's not finished yet
[20:29] <popey> yeah, I need a goatee if I'm going to be evilpopey
[20:29] <kenvandine> hey... i have a goatee :)
[20:30] <popey> Exactly!
[20:30] <oSoMoN> davmor2, that’s not evil, that’s sly!
[20:30] <popey> Think how different good-ken would be!
[20:30] <kenvandine> software is never finished.... they should teach that in the first year of college
[20:30] <kenvandine> but they don't
[20:30] <kenvandine> haha
[20:30] <studio_> @popey, i understand that it is not finished ... but what will be in "next" future?
[20:30] <kenvandine> every engineer needs to learn that software is never finished
[20:30] <dobey> software is like beer
[20:30] <popey> studio_: depends. can you code?
[20:30] <kenvandine> dobey, i love that!
[20:30] <dobey> there's always more to drink
[20:31] <kenvandine> i'm sure dekko could use contributors
[20:31] <dobey> also, the more software you write, the more you drink
[20:31] <studio_> sorry, i am just a user who want to install ubuntu-phone on his device ... !!!
[20:32] <studio_> if i am a beta tester i can report what is missing ....
[20:32] <kenvandine> dobey, so true
[20:32] <davmor2> oSoMoN: Let's face it true evil is a QA engineer with a big hammer saying I want to test your code this won't hurt one bit ;)
[20:32] <kenvandine> studio_, seriously, no harm in filing a bug against dekko asking for those features
[20:33] <kenvandine> davmor2, lies, it always hurts
[20:33] <dobey> also this whole "vaping" thing is weird
[20:33]  * kenvandine downgrades to image 88 and weeps
[20:33] <davmor2> kenvandine: I give other developers lollypops because they don't cry :P
[20:34] <kenvandine> haha
[20:34] <dobey> davmor2: no android on my phones, thanks
[20:34] <kenvandine> dobey, i didn't even notice that.. no lollypop for me!
[20:35] <dobey> hah
[20:37] <studio_> @kenvandine, i thought security is the first permisson from Ubuntu-Touch?!
[20:37] <kenvandine> jgdx, is it useful to test silo 15 on mako?
[20:37] <kenvandine> security is important to us
[20:37] <davmor2> dobey: here a gingerbead man wait no android right, here have a kitkat,  man I'm running out of sweets, here have an icecream instead, oh damn it I give in
[20:37] <dobey> studio_: dekko is not included by default
[20:37] <kenvandine> but i'm not working on dekko
[20:37] <kenvandine> and it's not default
[20:37] <popey> (and it's not finished)
[20:38] <kenvandine> but it's the closest thing you have
[20:38] <kenvandine> popey, again... software is never finished... that's implied :-p
[20:38] <popey> heh
[20:39] <davmor2> kenvandine: at least it's not finish till all the qa bugs have been fixed and then you add a new feature and the cycle starts all over again :)
[20:39] <kenvandine> jgdx, i downgraded my vivid device (mako) with hopes to get it working enough to test your silo... but then realized it really needs testing on krillin
[20:39] <rvr> Chipaca: Here
[20:39] <kenvandine> so i'll need to flash that back to vivid
[20:39] <kenvandine> davmor2, exactly
[20:39] <studio_> guys, i am just a user who can't install ubuntu-touch on his device, but since 2 years i am using ubuntu (PC) without no problems ...
[20:39] <kenvandine> studio_, that's great to hear!
[20:40] <popey> super
[20:40] <kenvandine> everyone should be using ubuntu :)
[20:40] <dobey> studio_: i can't install ubuntu on my palm pre either
[20:40]  * kenvandine has been windows free for 21 years... man that makes me feel old
[20:40] <rvr> kenvandine: lol
[20:40] <kenvandine> dobey, you still have that thing?
[20:40] <dobey> kenvandine: best phone evar
[20:40] <kenvandine> dobey, give it up...
[20:40] <popey> I bumped into sladen at fosdem. he pulled a pre out of his pocket
[20:40] <kenvandine> haha
[20:40] <popey> then opened a linux shell :)
[20:40] <dobey> kenvandine: i still have lots of old phones
[20:40] <kenvandine> sladen.. gotta miss him
[20:41] <davmor2> kenvandine: but how do you see outside with no windows......../me thinks kenvandine is lying
[20:41] <popey> I handed him my phone and said "break that"
[20:41] <kenvandine> i do too actually, collecting dust and useless
[20:41] <kenvandine> kind of like your pre
[20:41]  * kenvandine ducks
[20:41] <dobey> popey: did he throw it at the wall really hard?
[20:41] <popey> heh, no
[20:41] <popey> nor did he dunk it in my eer
[20:41] <popey> *beer
[20:41] <kenvandine> davmor2, overloaded term there... we need a new term for those glass panes
[20:42] <kenvandine> dunk in your ear, gross
[20:42] <dobey> either you have a really huge ear, or a really small phone
[20:42] <dobey> if the latter, where'd you get it
[20:42] <studio_> so i do not understand, why it is so difficult to install ubuntu-touch on a mobile device???
[20:42] <popey> it isnt
[20:42] <dobey> studio_: it's not
[20:42] <popey> you just picked the wrong one
[20:42] <kenvandine> studio_, it's super easy
[20:43] <dobey> i've done it literally hundreds of times
[20:43] <kenvandine> nexus 4 is very easy
[20:43] <dobey> over and over
[20:43] <popey> dobey: bored?
[20:43] <popey> :D
[20:43] <dobey> popey: i wish
[20:43] <kenvandine> davmor2 probably does it 20 times a day
[20:43] <popey> and flashes
[20:43] <popey> (his phone)
[20:43] <studio_> no google phone - I WANT UBUNTU !!!
[20:43] <kenvandine> woot, a working phone
[20:43] <popey> i want a pony
[20:43] <davmor2> I want a unicorn
[20:43] <popey> interestingly, i learned something about hangouts
[20:43] <popey> in a hangout, type /ponies
[20:44] <kenvandine> popey, stop hanging out
[20:44] <davmor2> popey: hahaha
[20:44] <kenvandine> how did you possible think to type that?
[20:44] <popey> there's another i forgot
[20:44] <dobey> i want a billion dollars
[20:44] <popey> i didn
[20:44] <popey> a googler typed it at me
[20:44] <davmor2> dobey: see there is always one that takes it too far
[20:45] <rvr> popey is a browny
[20:45] <dobey> davmor2: facebook and google are pretty good at doing that
[20:45] <popey> also /pitchforks
[20:45] <rvr> brony
[20:46] <popey> :)
[20:47] <studio_> this is so stupid, how to get an ubuntu-phone with a new kernel?
[20:47] <popey> kenvandine: http://www.droid-life.com/2013/05/17/here-are-the-easter-eggs-built-into-hangouts-ponies/
[20:48] <dobey> studio_: first you join an irc channel, then you keep trolling about things that have already been explained to you multiple times
[20:48] <kenvandine> studio_, no point in a newer kernel that doesn't work on the device
[20:48] <studio_> nonono, i am not trolling !!!
[20:49] <studio_> i just asked for a ubuntu-phone
[20:49] <dobey> studio_: then how many times must it be explained before you stop asking the same things over and over again?
[20:49] <dobey> if you want ubuntu on a phone, today, then go buy a nexus 4 and flash it
[20:51] <studio_> as ubuntu touch will use "allways" the android device drivers there will be never a ubuntu-phone !
[20:51] <dobey> *sigh*
[20:51] <studio_> "be"
[20:51] <kenvandine> studio_, that doesn't really make sense, sure it's ubuntu
[20:52] <kenvandine> nothing about it that's not ubuntu, so what they use the drivers from the device manufacturer that was built for android
[20:52] <kenvandine> this way they don't have to do the work for multiple OSes
[20:52] <studio_> @kenvandine, ok, what kernel does "ubuntu-touch" use? 3.13.xx ?
[20:52] <kenvandine> it's a great solution!
[20:53] <dobey> "i'm not trolling!" "here's a troll, please bite the bait."
[20:53] <kenvandine> studio_, i told you yesterday... i even pasted the output of uname -a
[20:53] <kenvandine> for fun... i'll paste it again
[20:53] <kenvandine> Linux ubuntu-phablet 3.4.0-6-mako #35-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Tue Jan 20 11:28:16 UTC 2015 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
[20:53] <kenvandine> studio_, that's the last time :)
[20:53] <studio_> everbody is waiting for android 5.0, so ubuntu-touch will use the kernel from 5.0?
[20:53] <kenvandine> that's from my nexus 4
[20:54] <kenvandine> studio_, we use the kernel version that has the drivers from the manufacture
[20:54] <kenvandine> so each device will have a different kernel
[20:54] <dobey> no ubuntu is using AOSP 4.4.2 at the moment
[20:54] <kenvandine> the device manufacturer really drivers that
[20:54] <studio_> @kenvandine, that is why i asked for a Ubuntu-Touch-Phone !!!
[20:55] <kenvandine> studio_, but of course we had this same conversation yesterday
[20:55] <kenvandine> studio_, so you want Ubuntu to manufacture a device?
[20:55] <kenvandine> we aren't a hardware company
[20:55] <dobey> studio_: take a billion dollars and go build a fully open hardware phone then
[20:56] <dobey> if you want to be able to have latest kernel with open source drivers on it
[20:56] <studio_> no, but be in consunction, sorry for my english
[20:56] <dobey> ubuntu is ubuntu
[20:56]  * dobey needs more of the rum he had last night
[20:57]  * kenvandine is out of rum
[20:57] <kenvandine> why does it feel like friday?
[20:57]  * popey reboots
[20:57] <studio_> @dobey, yes and i am using ubuntu-studio for making music, but i am missing the same for ubuntu-touch
[20:59] <davmor2> popey: hits a kernel error on reboot and panics
[20:59] <dobey> studio_: ubuntu studio doesn't use the same kernel as official ubuntu either.
[20:59] <dobey> studio_: same what? i doubt you would have a fun time trying to run ardour on a phone
[21:00] <studio_> sure, they use low-latency ... but support thunderbird with gnupg and x.509
[21:00] <kenvandine> not a phone
[21:00] <studio_> *lol*
[21:01] <studio_> come on, it is not a phone, it is a multi-media-device
[21:01] <dobey> if you want thunderbird on a phone, then go complain to mozilla
[21:01] <popey> +1
[21:01] <popey> last time I asked someone from mozilla to please port Firefox to Ubuntu phone the reply was "F_ck off!"
[21:01] <kenvandine> thunderbird would be aweful on a phone
[21:01] <kenvandine> you'd need a completely new UI
[21:01] <kenvandine> no idea if they are working on a mobile UI
[21:02] <dobey> thunderbird is awful on not a phone
[21:02] <kenvandine> like they did for firefox
[21:02] <dobey> kenvandine: i guess they probably would for firefox os
[21:02] <dobey> but probably not likely for ubuntu
[21:02] <kenvandine> that's what i was thinking
[21:03] <kenvandine> but then it would run inside firefox :)
[21:03] <studio_> i am missing ubuntu on ubuntu-phone!
[21:03] <dobey> well, it does anyway
[21:03] <kenvandine> thunderbird as an html5 app
[21:03] <dobey> thunderbird is just firefox with a completely different chrome, and support for mail protocols
[21:04] <dobey> studio_: afaict, you have absolutely no idea what you actually want
[21:04] <dobey> studio_: you're just finding things to complain about
[21:04] <studio_> @dobey, i want ubuntu on my phone!
[21:05] <dobey> then put it there
[21:05] <dobey> nobody is stopping you
[21:05] <studio_> i compare ubuntu-phone to the raspberry Pi
[21:05] <kenvandine> studio_, oranges and apples
[21:05] <dobey> so indeed you have no idea what you want
[21:06] <dobey> kenvandine: more like oranges and raspberries
[21:06] <popey> lulz
[21:06] <kenvandine> :-D
[21:06] <studio_> @kenvandine, why?
[21:06] <dobey> oranges and apples can at least contain roughly the same amount of water
[21:07] <kenvandine> studio_, raspberry pi is nothing like a phone
[21:07] <dobey> kenvandine: it's like a really old phone, that can't make calls, and has a crappy java interface
[21:07] <kenvandine> and no touch screen
[21:08] <kenvandine> no screen at all :)
[21:08] <dobey> well, it has video and usb, so you could plug one in at least
[21:08] <studio_> @kenvandine, sorry, i can build my binaries for my RPI, why it is not posible for ubuntu-touch?
[21:08] <taiebot> waouh new dekko is cool
[21:08] <popey> taiebot: I know, right!
[21:08] <Elleo> kenvandine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eaiNsFhtI8 ;)
[21:08] <dobey> studio_: you have no idea what you are talking about
[21:08] <kenvandine> studio_, because it doesn't have the same display layer, etc
[21:09] <dobey> studio_: i build binaries for ubuntu all the time
[21:09] <kenvandine> i'm done flashing here, time to move on
[21:09] <dobey> kenvandine: to the abc store?
[21:09] <kenvandine> Elleo, that's not a phone...
[21:09] <kenvandine> sure you can make calls
[21:09] <kenvandine> but i'm not putting it in my pocket :)
[21:09] <kenvandine> it would be fun to build though
[21:10] <studio_> @dobey, come on, help me ....
[21:10] <Elleo> anything held together with cable ties gets my vote of approval
[21:10] <dobey> kenvandine: i don't know. looks like it might be smaller than my nexus 5
[21:10] <dobey> studio_: i only help those who help themselves
[21:10] <studio_> *lol*
[21:10] <kenvandine> dobey, sharper corners :)
[21:10] <popey> My first car was held together with cable ties and choc-block
[21:10] <Elleo> heh
[21:11] <studio_> for sure, for what users is ubuntu-touch without help in this channel "before launch"?
[21:12] <kenvandine> studio_, the nexus 4
[21:12] <popey> and nexus 7
[21:12] <kenvandine> is supported and works
[21:13] <studio_> so, for what should users buy a nexus xyz to use ubuntu-touch?
[21:13] <dobey> what?
[21:13] <Myself5> Because it's way easier to support them :P
[21:13] <taiebot> mm new dekko How are the messages ordered ? i have them by dates but they are not on the latest received but by oldest received
[21:14] <studio_> come on, don't joke ....
[21:14] <Myself5> me ?
[21:14] <Myself5> well newest Ubuntu Touch is based on AOSP. (not CM)
[21:15] <studio_> nobody want to buy a google-device to use Ubuntu-Touch
[21:15] <Myself5> so you can't use any CM device trees and it will just work, in fact you either need to add CAF support to the Ubuntu Repos or you need to adapt your device tree for AOSP (which does work on only a really small slection of devices)
[21:16] <dobey> then waith for the retail phone to be released that ships with ubuntu already installed
[21:16] <dobey> you don't need to come and troll and complain because you bought a phone that isn't supported by the development builds
[21:16] <Myself5> However there are some insanely awesome Vendors which release AOSP Device trees for their devices
[21:16] <Myself5> namely Sony.
[21:17] <studio_> @dobey, as i told, not before 03/2015
[21:17] <kenvandine> popey, do you have a vivid-proposed mako?
[21:17] <Myself5> which device do you even want to get supported ?
[21:17] <dobey> studio_: as i told you, either wait, or buy a phone that's upported. or do the work yourself
[21:18] <dobey> Myself5: he bought an android bq aquarius e4.5 and expects to just be able to flash ubuntu on it today
[21:18] <Myself5> what the actual fuck is that device?
[21:19] <studio_> @dobey, i'd like to buy a "high end" Ubuntu-Phone, but there isn't !!!
[21:19] <Myself5> so then just get a highend device which is supported !
[21:19] <dobey> studio_: then make one or wait until one exists
[21:19] <dobey> studio_: don't come in here bitching and moaning and bothering developrs because it doesn't exist
[21:20] <Myself5> or become a developer and do it on your own !
[21:20] <Chipaca> rvr: here myself too, for a bit at least
[21:21] <kenvandine> or anyone running vivid-proposed here?
[21:21] <kenvandine> i want to see if anyone else can confirm bug 1418176
[21:21] <taiebot> kenvandine: me
[21:22] <studio_> a mt6795 would be nice, but still now no new public kernels are available
[21:22] <kenvandine> taiebot, have you updated to 89?
[21:22] <dobey> studio_: and if you want a "high end" phone, why'd you go buy a bq aquarius in the first place? it's obviously not a high end phone
[21:22] <Myself5> it's not hard. but that device you listed there seems to be be decently unknown
[21:22] <taiebot> yep
[21:22] <taiebot> flashed to 89
[21:22] <Myself5> is it even supported by CM ?
[21:22] <kenvandine> taiebot, does the dash start for you?
[21:22] <dobey> Myself5: the bq phone isn't unknown. it's the device ubuntu will be released on first
[21:23] <dobey> Myself5: but the actual ubuntu phone is slightly different, and bq doesn't provide a way to unlock the android version of the phone today
[21:23] <studio_> @dobey, because it is the first "public" phone
[21:23] <taiebot> Yep no problem,
[21:23] <kenvandine> crashes for me
[21:23] <kenvandine> downgrading to 88 works
[21:23] <kenvandine> studio_, no, it's the first phone that will be sold pre-installed with ubuntu
[21:23] <dobey> studio_: no, the first public phone isn't released yet
[21:23] <kenvandine> studio_, we've supported nexus 4 and nexus 7 for a very long time
[21:23] <kenvandine> but not pre-installed
[21:24] <dobey> studio_: you could have bought a nexus 4 and installed ubuntu and would be happily using it already
[21:24] <dobey> well
[21:24] <dobey> maybe not happily
[21:24] <kenvandine> haha
[21:24] <dobey> seems you just want to find things to complain about
[21:24] <taiebot> kenvandine: i am having networking issues the wifi toggle controls the 3g but not the wifi... :P
[21:24] <kenvandine> taiebot, odd... i wonder why it crashes for me...
[21:24] <dobey> and uselessly complaining about the kernel version would still happen i'm sure :)
[21:24] <kenvandine> it must be dobey's fault
[21:24] <Myself5> oh ups, guess I should inform myself a bit more about it then :D
[21:25] <dobey> wherefore art though, autopilot
[21:25] <kenvandine> maybe it has something to do with the scopes i have installed
[21:26] <taiebot> kenvandine i have flashed not upgraded sometime it makes a difference
[21:26] <kenvandine> true
[21:26] <kenvandine> but shouldn't have this time
[21:27] <taiebot> *** taiebot still observes that bluetooth sometimes is working sometimes is not. Most of the time a reboot makes it work
[21:27] <kenvandine> there was a lot of packages updated between 88 and 89
[21:28] <kenvandine> libunity-scopes3:armhf from 0.6.12+15.04.20150127.2-0ubuntu1 to 0.6.13+15.04.20150130-0ubuntu1
[21:28] <kenvandine> maybe it is a scope
[21:28] <studio_> @dobey, simple question, what will be the first Ubuntu-Touch-Phone with full ubuntu-support?
[21:28] <kenvandine> perhaps i'll change that and upgrade again
[21:28] <dobey> studio_: the yet to be relesed bq phone
[21:28] <popey> studio_: what do you mean by "full ubuntu support" exactly?
[21:29] <studio_> what is so difficult to understand on full ubuntu-support?
[21:29] <dobey> popey: one that runs blender
[21:29] <dobey> studio_: the part where we can't possibly read your mind and guess what your expectations are
[21:30] <Myself5> studio_ what is so difficult to understand that there is no Ubuntu Touch support for your phone yet !?
[21:31] <dobey> Myself5: the part where repetition makes someone think the repeated statement is true?
[21:31]  * Chipaca hugs his ubuntu phone
[21:32]  * dobey is really getting tired and snarky
[21:32] <Chipaca> ssh, ssh, don't you listen to them
[21:32]  * Myself5 has no nuts...
[21:32] <kenvandine> dobey, you were born snarky :)
[21:32] <dobey> kenvandine: i'm working on a script for a movie. it's called Snarknado
[21:32] <studio_> i have to ask again, is ubuntu-touch the same as ubuntu?
[21:33] <Myself5> I have sucessfully compiled a Ubuntu Touch base, using Sonys Awesome AOSP device trees
[21:33] <Chipaca> studio_: what is ubuntu?
[21:33] <dobey> it is ubuntu yes
[21:33] <Myself5> btu I don't have the nut's to flash ....
[21:33] <dobey> there are minor differences in it and the ubuntu you run on your pc
[21:33] <kenvandine> dobey, lol
[21:33] <Myself5> I hate myself for not doing it lol but I don't want to mess up my current MultiROM CM12 setup ..
[21:33] <dobey> likewise, there are differences in the ubuntu i run on my pc, and the ubuntu i run on my server
[21:33] <dobey> and the ubuntu i run in a vm where autopilot tests run
[21:33] <Chipaca> dobey: should we mention that "ubuntu touch" is not a thing?
[21:34] <studio_> so many answers on the same time, but sudo apt-get install thunderbird is not working?
[21:34] <dobey> Chipaca: i keep mentioning it
[21:34] <popey> studio_: phone doesn't have x11
[21:34] <kenvandine> Chipaca, we've been over that a few times already
[21:34] <dobey> studio_: it works fine here
[21:34] <popey> studio_: phone has mir.
[21:34] <taiebot> :-X
[21:34] <dobey> but then my disk is full and it won't run anyway
[21:34] <dobey> BECAUSE ITS A BLOODY PHONE
[21:34] <studio_> @dobey, how ???
[21:35] <Chipaca> kenvandine: dobey: hah
[21:35] <Chipaca> if I have ubuntu, and I can touch it, is it ubuntu touch?
[21:35] <dobey> studio_: what do you mean how? it's in the archive
[21:36] <kenvandine> taiebot, confirmed the dash crashing has something to do with my scopes i have favorited
[21:36] <dobey> Chipaca: i think that's pedobuntu
[21:36] <studio_> in my emu only firefox is working ...
[21:36] <dobey> i'm pretty sure firefox isn't working
[21:36] <dobey> but maybe you were able to install it
[21:36] <studio_> what did you added / changed?
[21:36] <kenvandine> boom!  it's the reddit scope
[21:37] <popey> studio_: firefox and thunderbird won't run on the phone. No X11.
[21:37] <Myself5> @dobey so I can't call it Ubuntu Touch at all ?
[21:37] <taiebot> kenvandine i suppose the sound notification appearing at each sound event has been reported
[21:37] <kenvandine> taiebot, not sure
[21:37] <dobey> Myself5: you can, but you are wrong when you do :)
[21:37] <Myself5> so how should it be called then ?
[21:37] <dobey> Myself5: ubuntu is just ubuntu
[21:38] <studio_> @popey, have you ever tried "sudo apt-get install firefox"
[21:38] <Myself5> but isnt ubuntu what I run on my PC ?
[21:38] <popey> studio_: yes, and?
[21:38] <dobey> Myself5: also yes
[21:38] <dobey> Myself5: also on my server, in VMs, and soon on my wireless routers
[21:38] <Myself5> nice wireless router you have then :P
[21:38] <popey> studio_: just because it installs, doesn't mean it would run.
[21:38] <Myself5> I prefer Linux Mint tho :P
[21:39] <dobey> studio_: does it appear in the "Apps" scope on your phone?
[21:39] <studio_> @popey, what emulator are u using?
[21:39] <dobey> Myself5: i could build an ubuntu image to run on my mouse too, if i wanted to
[21:39] <popey> studio_: I'm not, I'm using a phone
[21:39] <studio_> so, try it
[21:39] <popey> studio_: why?
[21:39] <dobey> popey: so your phone's / will fill up and crash the system
[21:39] <popey> that too
[21:40] <studio_> because it is possible to intsatall firefox
[21:40] <popey> studio_: it may well be
[21:40] <popey> studio_: it wont work
[21:40] <studio_> install
[21:40] <dobey> studio_: install != run
[21:40] <popey> studio_: but you don't seem to be hearing that bit
[21:40] <popey> studio_: again - firefox and thunderbird won't run on the phone, no X11.
[21:40] <dobey> popey: maybe he's blind. we need to do more work on a11y
[21:40] <Myself5> um how would you install it on your Mouse then ? :D
[21:40] <popey>
[21:40] <popey>  _   _  ___  ___
[21:40] <popey> | | | |/ _ \/ __|
[21:40] <popey> | |_| |  __/\__ \
[21:40] <popey>  \__, |\___||___/
[21:40] <popey>  |___/
[21:40] <kenvandine> anyone know where to file bugs for the reddit scope?
[21:41] <popey> kenvandine: cwayne1
[21:41] <kenvandine> so no LP project?
[21:41] <dobey> Myself5: my mouse has an arm cpu in it, and some small amount of flash
[21:41] <kenvandine> cwayne1, ping
[21:41] <popey> kenvandine: dont think so.
[21:41] <Myself5> what strange type of mouse is that lol
[21:41] <kenvandine> cwayne1, the reddit scope causes the dash to crash if enabled on vivid image 89
[21:41] <studio_> @popey, yes we scan ... no gnupg and no x.509 on Ubuntu-Touch
[21:42] <popey> http://it-cifra.com.ua/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/openoffice-mouse.jpg
[21:42] <popey> one of them :)
[21:42] <taiebot> popey: where do we see the current bug for dekko v.4.0
[21:42] <popey> studio_: ok, this is getting tedious now.
[21:42] <popey> studio_: keep this up and you're going to be removed.
[21:42] <studio_> sorry ...
[21:42] <Myself5> hum k.. strange mouse lol :D
[21:42] <popey> taiebot: http://bugs.launchpad.net/dekko
[21:43] <dobey> Myself5: this one: https://www.amazon.com/SteelSeries-Sensei-Gaming-Orange-Edition/dp/B00FAJT6VK/ref=as_sl_pc_ss_til?tag=wayofthemon-20&linkCode=w01&linkId=DDCA4EDYTSSKU2SB&creativeASIN=B00FAJT6VK
[21:43] <kenvandine> love that mouse
[21:43] <studio_> but, isn't it a bit truth ...
[21:43] <dobey> kenvandine: yeah, it's pretty nice. i bought it mostly for the ubuntu color scheme
[21:44] <popey> looks nice
[21:44] <sergiusens> kenvandine: if the reddit scope cause the dash to crash I'd call it a dash bug
[21:44] <Myself5> looks better than what popey linked :D
[21:44] <dobey> studio_: is your logic chip broken?
[21:44] <sergiusens> kenvandine: it's supposed to be resilient to this sort of thing
[21:44] <popey> (I was kinda joking) :)
[21:44] <Myself5> @dobey which logic chip? :P
[21:44] <Myself5> well whatever.
[21:45] <kenvandine> sergiusens, yeah, bug 1418176
[21:45] <dobey> Myself5: the one where he seems to clearly be unable to process logical statements correctly
[21:45] <kenvandine> sergiusens, but clearly the scope needs fixing too
[21:45] <studio_> @popey, what about enrcyption an ubuntu-touch?
[21:45]  * Myself5 is going to dissapear now :P Cya when I report back that my Ubuntu install is not workiing :D
[21:45] <popey> studio_: disk encryption? not done yet.
[21:45] <sergiusens> kenvandine: right, just wanted to make sure the right target was tackled first :-)
[21:45] <dobey> studio_: all the features are not all done first
[21:45] <studio_> no, i mean privacy and email
[21:45] <Myself5> cya guys
[21:45] <sergiusens> kenvandine: but I forgot i was talking to you ;-)
[21:46] <popey> studio_: you're asking the same question but worded differently.
[21:46] <dobey> studio_: there's no e-mail client installed on ubuntu phone image by default
[21:46] <dobey> studio_: why can't you understand that?
[21:46] <dobey> studio_: if you want to ask questions about dekko, #ubuntu-app-devel might be a better place
[21:46] <dobey> or -app-dev, i forget which it is
[21:47] <popey> or #dekko :)
[21:47] <studio_> i can't understand "Ubuntu-Touch" = no privacy
[21:47] <dobey> or yes, #dekko
[21:47] <popey> enough
[21:47] <dobey> studio_: it's the apocalypse
[21:48] <dobey> aww, +q is more fun
[21:51] <kenvandine> sergiusens, what makes it worse is the failing dash messes with app focus
[21:51] <kenvandine> so even if you start an app from a notification or the launcher
[21:51] <kenvandine> it keeps losing focus
[21:51] <kenvandine> nasty
[21:57] <cwayne1> popey: kenvandine: reddit scope is a remote scope, so lp:ubuntu-rest-scopes
[21:58] <kenvandine> cwayne1, should i add that to the bug report?
[21:59] <kenvandine> regardless, it shouldn't crash the dash
[21:59] <kenvandine> the dash needs to be fixed :)
[21:59] <cwayne1> right, absolutely shoulnt
[21:59] <kenvandine> but do you think something needs to be done in the scope too?
[21:59] <cwayne1> kenvandine: no idea, i don't know much/anything about the remote scopes
[21:59] <kenvandine> oh
[21:59] <davidcalle> kenvandine, the scope hasn't changed recently, afaik
[21:59] <kenvandine> the wikipedia scope also crashes it
[22:00] <cwayne1> yeah, i'd be willing to bet all remote scopes will
[22:00] <kenvandine> ok... so i'll bump the priority of the bug up
[22:07] <jgdx> kenvandine, yo
[22:07] <jgdx> it's useful, but only to check for regressions
[22:08] <jgdx> kenvandine, [1] might need an approve+topapprove before silo is greenlit. [1] https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/tech-switch/+merge/246503
[22:16] <kenvandine> jgdx, what's with the test failures?
[22:17] <kenvandine> I'm sure the search one can't be related
[22:17] <kenvandine> but anything in sim_unlock?
[22:17] <kenvandine> jgdx, looks like it was a crash
[22:35] <adrian47> when i use datapart=/dev/block/mmcblk0p25 it is not mounted but  datapart=/dev/mmcblk0p25 is mounted properly, anyone know why?
[22:58] <studio__> ok, how to ask "the right questions" in this channel?
[22:58] <anpok> ?
[22:59] <anpok> empty questions cannot be wrong..
[22:59] <studio__> @anpok, do not ask me ...
[22:59] <anpok> oh guess I am missing some context?
[22:59] <studio__> sure ...
[23:00] <k1l> studio__: ask specific questions
[23:00] <k1l> if someone knows the answer he will answer that
[23:00] <studio__> @popey, what questions are wrong to this channel?
[23:02] <studio__> i try to figure out the advantages from ubuntu-touch vs. android
[23:02] <popey> studio__: there aren't "wrong" questions. But asking the same one repeatedly gets wearing.
[23:02] <popey> This channel is for general discussion of Ubuntu for phones/tablets.
[23:04] <studio__> @popey, yes i know and Android give me no advantage ....
[23:04] <k1l> studio__: so what is your question?
[23:05] <studio__> @k1l, should i really ask before i get kicked from the channel?
[23:05] <anpok> studio__: there are various levels on which you could answer that question..
[23:06] <anpok> studio__: i.e. purely technical comparing the software stack and the resulting 'performance' of the device.. responsiveness .. batery live..
[23:06] <k1l> studio__: reading the backlog seems like you already made a lot of drama instead of beeing constructive. so either you want to be constructive ASAP or you leave.
[23:07] <studio__> sorry, since popey kicked me from this channel i am not sure what is possible to ask and what not :(
[23:07] <popey> Yes you do.
[23:07] <popey> I explained this at length in pm.
[23:07] <k1l> studio__: you are making it a lot worse since you joined again.
[23:07] <popey> Just ask. But once you have answers, you don't need to keep asking the same question.
[23:08] <studio__> so, what was my worse?
[23:08] <k1l> studio__: so is there a question you got about ubuntu-touch or is this just you beeing annoying now because you got kicked before?
[23:09] <studio__> plz, what was my worse?
[23:10] <popey> studio__: just ask your questions.
[23:10] <studio__> no, i wnat to know what was my worse?
[23:11] <studio__> want
[23:11] <studio__> to ask for GnuPG / X.509?
[23:11] <k1l> i epxlained to you in pm to not spoil this channel any longer
[23:12] <k1l> so if you dont ask a specific ubuntu touch question i am going to mute you in here to prevent the channel from more drama.
[23:12] <popey> studio__: here is your answer:- We do not currently have support for GnuPG or x.509.
[23:13] <popey> studio__: Ubuntu for devices (phones) is not yet finished. We do not have that yet.
[23:14] <studio__> @popey, so, explain me, why i have to use Ubuntu-Touch?
[23:14] <popey> You do not have to use Ubuntu Touch.
[23:14] <studio__> are u kiddin?
[23:14] <popey> You can use Android, IOS, Windows Phone, Jolla, Firefox OS, Blackberry or Palm if you like.
[23:14] <popey> No.
[23:15] <studio__> @popey, this is not what u are meaninig ... or?
[23:16] <popey> If Ubuntu does not have the features you want, write the feature or use something else.
[23:16] <popey> Or pay someone to write the feature.
[23:17] <studio__> sorry, ubuntu-studio or ubuntu offers gnupg, why it is not possible in ubuntu-touch?
[23:17] <popey> We don't have an official Email client yet.
[23:19] <studio__> so what is the "official" emai-client?
[23:19] <popey> We. Do. Not. Have. An. Official. Email. Client.
[23:22] <studio__> hmmm, you may have to think about your official email-client ....
[23:22] <popey> Ok, I'll think about that.
[23:22] <studio__> have to go ... be back tomorrow ...
[23:22] <studio__> bye
[23:23] <popey> Bye
[23:23] <dobey> if you don't want to get kicked, don't troll
[23:23] <dobey> pretty simple
[23:35] <Neo31> hey guys
[23:36] <Neo31> when exactly will the commercial Ubuntu Touch Phone become available on the market?
[23:36] <Neo31> Bq should start marketing the new phone very soon right?
[23:36] <Neo31> or is it already available ?
[23:38] <k1l> 6th february afaik
[23:39] <Neo31> that's the midend phone right? Meizu MX4 should be the highend phone?
[23:39] <popey> some time after 6th I think
[23:41] <Neo31> so guys, the MX4 from Meizu will be released next and should be a high end phone with much higher performance than Bq ?
[23:42] <Neo31> is that correct k1l popey ?
[23:42] <popey> Hard to say. I don't know what Meizu's plans are.
[23:42] <popey> It's hard for any of us to answer that really. We just make the software.
[23:42] <popey> It's like asking us when Dell will ship a laptop. Out of our control.
[23:43] <k1l> Neo31: a cooperation with meizu is planned. but i am not aware of a fixed date
[23:43] <popey> me either
[23:43] <Neo31> yeah of course popey , but just wanted to know if some of the guys here knows something i have missed
[23:43] <popey> I'd be inclined to keep an eye on insights.ubuntu.com and omgubuntu ㋛
[23:43] <Neo31> so Bq is confirmed for February
[23:43] <Neo31> Meizu isn't yet
[23:44]  * popey shrugs
[23:44] <Neo31> btw, Meizu is in china right? we'll have to get it shipped from there in case it is released
[23:44] <Neo31> ?
[23:44] <popey> Meizu are a chinese company
[23:44] <Neo31> thx for the link insights.ubuntu.com popey
[23:44] <popey> np
[23:45] <Neo31> hum, I would get a Bq now than get another high end phone next year then
[23:46] <Neo31> 16.04 is supposed to have desktop convergence right ? (if we could make it on time)
[23:48] <k1l> 16.04 is target for having systemd and MIR as standard. i am very curious if that will work like planned
[23:50] <popey> i suspect systemd will be default before 16.04
[23:50] <popey> dunno about mir, that isn't supposed to land till it's ready
[23:50] <popey> (along with unity8)
[23:59] <Neo31> popey, is it this phone with ubuntu preinstalled ? http://www.bq.com/gb/products/aquaris-e4-5.html


[00:20] <Noskcaj> Can some of you leave a comment at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj#Xubuntu_PackageSet to help me get packageset upload rights?
[02:33] <sergio-br2> Noskcaj, how can i do a bluetooth testcase, if there isn't ?
[02:34] <sergio-br2> first, hello :p
[02:34] <Noskcaj> hey sergio-br2. Just use the package a bit, see if everything works. Or write a testcase for it
[02:35] <sergio-br2> but have i acces to this things?
[02:36] <sergio-br2> there is no hardware test case for trusty, but there are to saucy. I don't know how to do a test case, but ctrl+c & ctrl+v yeah :)
[02:38] <Noskcaj> Could i have a link please?
[02:40] <sergio-br2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/1263351
[02:41] <Noskcaj> You don't need a testcase to report a bug, if that's what you mean
[02:41] <sergio-br2> and this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-bluetooth/+bug/1263430
[02:41] <sergio-br2> no, this is not what i mean
[02:42] <sergio-br2> i mean that there is no qa to bluetooth things... or i didn't find it
[02:43] <Noskcaj> Only bluetooth thing i can find is http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/306/builds/55992/testcases/1591/results
[02:45] <sergio-br2> hum, i can add test result for bluez, for example, but for gnome-bluetooth i think no
[02:46] <brainwash> doesn't xubuntu ship blueman?
[02:46] <sergio-br2> yeah
[02:47] <sergio-br2> but it does not use gnome-bluetooth
[02:48] <brainwash> do we really need a testcase for bluetooth? hardly one uses it anyway
[02:48] <sergio-br2> and the second bug is with gnome-bluetooth or related
[02:48] <sergio-br2> well...
[02:48] <brainwash> how do these bugs affect xubuntu?
[02:49] <sergio-br2> hum, the first bug affects xubuntu
[02:50] <sergio-br2> blueman does not connect with the device in xubuntu, i think that is a problem with bluez
[02:50] <brainwash> so you will have to update/change the bug report
[02:50] <sergio-br2> so, this bug, i will associate with blueman in lubuntu qa
[02:50] <sergio-br2> why?
[02:51] <brainwash> because xubuntu does not use bluez
[02:51] <sergio-br2> i put bluez as affect. I tried blueman and gnome-bluetooth, and both didn't pair with smartphone
[02:52] <sergio-br2> but blueman don't use bluez?
[02:52] <sergio-br2> sorry, i'm noob
[02:52] <Noskcaj> sergio-br2, don't worry.  I was going to try and learn C or C++ and apparently C++ is easier.
[03:03] <brainwash> much c
[03:05] <Noskcaj> such code, so compile, wow?
[03:06] <brainwash> what?
[03:06] <brainwash> that's not proper english
[03:07] <Noskcaj> Never mind, it's a bad internet joke
[03:56] <sergio-br2> bluetooth experience in xubuntu is much better than in ubuntu :)
[03:57] <sergio-br2> it's less painfull
[03:59] <Noskcaj> I think it leaks memory though. I never used it and it used 40mb of RAM at standby
[03:59] <Noskcaj> (just the indicator visible)
[03:59] <sergio-br2> really?
[04:00] <sergio-br2> i will see that
[04:00] <Noskcaj> last i checked
[04:00] <sergio-br2> well, here don't care, i have 8 GB ram :D
[04:00] <sergio-br2> or at least 4 GB, in the other laptop
[04:00] <Noskcaj> This laptop has 4, but it still annoys me.
[04:02] <Unit193> Noskcaj: It's python isn't it?  So that'd be expected.
[04:06] <Noskcaj> yeah. Python and dead upstream
[04:39] <Lone_Coyote> http://xkcd.com/713/  that one?
[04:39] <sergio-br2> brainwash, Noskcaj, https://github.com/cschramm/blueman/blob/master/README.md
[04:39] <Lone_Coyote> oops, sorry, wrong window
[04:39] <sergio-br2> its seems that blueman uses bluez
[04:40] <Unit193> Lone_Coyote: Heh, still a good one.
[07:33] <DanChapman> Noskcaj, I see you using the process manager, I was able to introspect it fine the other day, but you mentioned a newer version coming, I have 3.2.5 installed here. But anyway were you unable to introspect it?
[07:34]  * DanChapman jaw drops at the sheer amount of widget trees in gthumb, it's crazy
[07:34] <elfy> ok - ochosi brainwash ali1234 - so now - indicator panel is not changing to transparent - but is real jet black rather than the sort of greyish black the rest of the panel is
[07:36] <elfy> but - xchat stayed normal - they did tend to happen at the same time - following discussions with ali yesterday - tv hdmi is disconnected still
[07:43] <Noskcaj> DanChapman, I'm not sure i was able to introspect it here. the version should be 3.2.5-2
[07:43] <Noskcaj> nevermind, it does introspect
[07:44] <Noskcaj> so my list of "working" is now gthumb and catfish
[07:45] <elfy> DanChapman: a really basic thought here that I'm not sure I ever got to the bottom of - these autopilot tests - what do they actually test in general - that the thing works or can it do more?
[07:45] <Noskcaj> I only used process manager since i was porting from the other tests
[07:45] <elfy> like catfish - does it test it can find things?
[07:45] <Noskcaj> elfy, core xfce: that it works, catfish + gthumb: possibly everything
[07:46] <Noskcaj> I assume menulibre and mugshot would work fully too
[07:46] <elfy> Noskcaj: when you say everything - you mean everything that the manual test checks?
[07:47] <Noskcaj> If we have the dev time to make a test, i'm pretty sure yes
[07:47] <DanChapman> elfy yes in theory and written well it can do everything you do manually
[07:47] <elfy> right ok - thanks :)
[07:48] <Noskcaj> DanChapman, Is there a guide anywhere for writing tests for gtk or just use the command list?
[07:48] <elfy> Noskcaj: I understand that - so a generalised plan for us then would be to disable the manual once we are sure that the entirety of the manual test is covered
[07:49] <Noskcaj> Maybe make the manual one a low-priority smoke test, so people can still report errors if they want
[07:51] <elfy> possibly - but that's a long way in the future
[07:51] <Noskcaj> yeah
[07:51] <elfy> time to be looking at that is not LTS cycle :D
[07:51] <DanChapman> Noskcaj, I have made a start on writing one but it's more aiming at Ubiquity than others which is slightly different but there is no official guide, I mainly use the autopilot documentation myself just replace the Qt/QML referenced stuff with Gtk widges :-)
[07:52] <Noskcaj> ok. I never really know what to replace, but coding isn't my strong point. I barely know what self. does.
[07:53] <elfy> Noskcaj: it's not your strong point ... I hide under rocks
[07:53] <Noskcaj> :)
[07:54] <elfy> we do what we can :p
[07:58] <DanChapman> Noskcaj, self is exactly what it says. In other languages its similar to syntax like 'this.' and 'me.' which you can use both them if you wanted, self is the 'standard' way and is just the instance the method is bound too.
[07:58] <Noskcaj> ok
[08:00] <Noskcaj> I'll see if i can improve the test tomorrow. Tonight i've got one ftbfs to look at then watch house of cards
[08:00] <DanChapman> Noskcaj, It will click one day :-) I never used to get any of it... and couldn't get how anyone even understood any of it. But the more code you write the easier it becomes
[08:01] <Noskcaj> That's probably my issue. I don't actually code much
[08:03]  * DanChapman is sure that trying to unsubscribe from groupon is just a magic button to triple the junk!!
[08:08] <Noskcaj> I think i'm subscribe to something like that, but i get so much spam from debian, i barely notice
[08:39] <DanChapman> Noskcaj, elfy, what's your thoughts on having a seperate xubuntu-autopilot-tests project? rather than mixing up ubuntu/xubuntu apps in the same project which is kind of confusing and end up having to install loads of deps to run the whole suite? just a thought
[08:40] <Noskcaj> DanChapman, I support it, although most would be far from pretty, and we'd probably need to copy the evince test across
[08:40] <elfy> DanChapman: that sounds like a good idea - the only downside will be if people from say kubuntu start looking - do we end up with projects for all
[08:40] <Noskcaj> One other xubuntu app that introspects is simple-scan
[08:41] <elfy> Noskcaj: not sure we need to copy things - common apps are common - just like we don't have xubuntu manual tests for firefox etc
[08:41] <Noskcaj> elfy, Lubuntu couldn't, and i'm not sure kubuntu have the time, at least till after kde 4.12 is finished
[08:41] <Noskcaj> ok
[08:41] <Noskcaj> And gnome have 2 devs total
[08:41] <elfy> if we did that then I would be inclined to say that a xubuntu-autopilot-tests project would be things specific to us
[08:42] <elfy> Noskcaj: I know what you're saying - but I try to look further ahead
[08:43] <elfy> while they aren't my/our responsibility - I try to think of as many official flavours when I have a general qa head on :)
[08:43] <Noskcaj> ok
[08:43] <Noskcaj> Maybe we just have a separate branch in the project?
[08:44] <elfy> no idea - but the general theory from DanChapman makes sense to me
[08:44] <DanChapman> hmmm well they could all go under an umbrella project or even at least have a seperate branch ( Noskcaj beat me too it)
[08:44] <elfy> :)
[08:44] <DanChapman> But i think having them all together makes no sense :-)
[08:45] <elfy> agreed
[08:45] <elfy> the trouble with all this - manual/automatic stuff is it's originally done for Ubuntu - then everyone else joins in
[08:46] <elfy> consequently the original plans are done with that in mind
[08:46] <elfy> which is normal enough
[08:52] <DanChapman> elfy true :-) Since xubuntu has quite a few Gtk2 apps and autopilot 'should' be supporting that. I will look into building autopilot-gtk against Gtk2 so it will give more opportunities for better tests :-)
[08:53] <elfy> that'd be appreciated - though I'm not sure what the future holds for us with those
[08:53] <DanChapman> elfy, are you looking to move on from them now then?
[08:54] <elfy> not sure what the longish term plan is - for the moment we're not
[08:54] <Noskcaj> g'night buys
[08:54] <elfy> and to be honest I get confused as to which are which at present
[08:54] <elfy> night Noskcaj :)
[08:54] <DanChapman> see ya Noskcaj o/
[10:57] <brainwash> elfy: you do you mean with "so now"? did you disable the compositor?
[11:52] <elfy> yea
[13:20] <brainwash> elfy: oh, my question started with "you" :D
[13:20] <brainwash> disabling the compositor does not really help actually
[13:21] <elfy> installing kubuntu worked wonders :p
[13:22] <elfy> brainwash: to be frank - I'm not worried about it now - I'll just wait for it to land properly in trusty - then I'll worry about it again
[13:22] <elfy> I'm assuming that it will land in time anyway
[13:22] <elfy> back later
[15:48] <ochosi> elfy: eric was working on a patch – and he posted it to bugzilla already (i think) – that should help with that transparency bug. at least the panel now accepts the changes in bg color and alpha again (so i'm hoping your issue will be resolved by it too)
[15:49] <ochosi> andrzejr, ali1234 ^
[15:49] <ochosi> here you go: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10561
[15:49] <ochosi> please test and reply on bz whether it works!
[15:53] <ochosi> note: it's not working with all themes/engines yet, but with e.g. adwaita and our themes it's fine (ambiance/radiance don't work, haven't been able to figure out why though yet)
[16:04] <elfy> ochosi: well I can try it - but you know I'll nto have much idea what I'm supposed to do with it :)
[16:05] <ochosi> elfy: well you'd have to follow the instructions to manually compile the panel (as formulated for the saucy instructions) and apply the patch
[16:06] <elfy> k
[16:11] <ochosi> elfy: have you tried reverting the gtk3 indicator packages to see whether the xchat bug still appears?
[16:12] <ochosi> g2g, later guys
[16:12] <ochosi> and gals
[16:13] <elfy> ochosi: nope -= not done anything much - not going to be doing anything this side of xmas tbf
[16:13] <elfy> cya later
[16:15] <elfy> ochosi: not had recurrence of the xchat thing since yesterday morning when ali1234 said it could well be the tv and hdmi so I disconnected
[16:53] <ali1234> "Updating from saucy-proposed fixed the printing indicator on my machine" - no, no it didn't...
[17:44] <andrzejr> ochosi, the patch needs some more work but it mostly does the job
[17:44] <andrzejr> see my comment on bug #10561
[17:45] <andrzejr> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10561
[19:37] <brainwash> oh, Noskcaj should update his gtk3 indicator ppa then :)
[19:37] <Noskcaj> brainwash, ?
[19:38] <brainwash> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10561
[19:38] <brainwash> If you got some time to do it
[19:38] <brainwash> I will try it somewhat later
[19:39] <Noskcaj> yeah, i'll do it. Should it be just a patch or is there a new release coming?
[19:39] <Unit193> Though, the patch isn't complete.
[19:39] <brainwash> but it's one step forward
[19:39] <Unit193> Quite.
[19:40] <Unit193> I suppose I should update it to xfdesktop4 4.11.2, as well. >_>
[19:42] <brainwash> oh nice, xfdesktop: "Scale down oversize icons in menus"
[19:43] <brainwash> I'll update it too :D
[19:47] <Unit193> You got tabwin?
[19:47] <brainwash> no
[19:47] <Unit193> Ah, you're no fun.
[19:48] <brainwash> tabwin is the alt-tab switch window, right?
[19:48] <Unit193> Yes, in this case it indicates the new work on it.
[20:02] <brainwash> sergio-br2: editing the conf file did not work for me either, so it looks like xfce4 settings daemon does not disable the actions for the top/bottom touchpad area
[20:03] <brainwash> tapping the top right area triggers a scrollwheel click
[20:03] <sergio-br2> so, it's xfce settings problems?
[20:04] <brainwash> if you call it a problem, then yes
[20:05] <brainwash> synclient -l | grep -i cornerbutton
[20:06] <brainwash> we would need to report it upstream
[20:26] <Noskcaj> Is there a know memory leak in tumblerd?
[20:32] <Noskcaj> Yeah, that's definitely a leak. It's at 300mb now
[20:42] <brainwash> I recall reading about it