[17:38] <FinalX> lan29: nfs is a filesystem, so no.
[17:38] <nacc> j4f-shredder: no, ondrej's ppa is not 'default settings'
[17:38] <nacc> j4f-shredder: it's a ppa
[17:38] <FinalX> there's a bunch of different ways of using/installing php, so "default" doesn't say much, unfortunately
[17:38] <j4f-shredder> I found it
[17:38] <j4f-shredder> sudo a2dismod php7.1   107  sudo a2enmod php5.6
[17:39] <nacc> j4f-shredder: and there you go, you're not even using the ubuntu php7 :)
[17:39] <ioria> lan29, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo#Mounting_NFS_shares_in_encrypted_home_won.27t_work_on_boot
[17:39] <nacc> j4f-shredder: so please stop asking for support here :)
[17:39] <j4f-shredder> I want to
[17:39] <ioria> lan29,  basically, a symlink
[17:39] <j4f-shredder> I'm gonna switch to 7
[17:41] <j4f-shredder> hey
[17:41] <j4f-shredder> the app worked
[17:41] <j4f-shredder> just the same
[17:41] <j4f-shredder> with php 7
[17:41] <lan29> ioria, thanks! I am trying to use vagrant and I keep running into a nfs error: http://pastebin.com/8cgce62H
[17:42] <lan29> ioria, seems like my problem is having my home folder encrypted
[17:42] <ioria> lan29, yes, you can't access it until you're logged in
[17:43] <huggybear404> can I suspend a task and resume after reboot ?
[17:43] <lan29> ioria, is there anyway for vagrant to "log in"?
[17:44] <ioria> lan29,  is really your home encrypted ?
[17:45] <lan29> ioria, yes
[17:45] <ioria> lan29,  "NFS share inside an encrypted home directory will only work after you are successfully logged in and your home is decrypted"
[17:46] <OerHeks> huggybear404, yes, you can change save session, something like dconf write /org/gnome/gnome-session/auto-save-session true
[17:46] <OerHeks> but that is systemwide, all apps you have opened, will start again
[17:46] <ioria> lan29,  try with a symlink
[17:46] <nacc> OerHeks: that's not true susspend/resume -- that just ensures certain processes are running, right?
[17:47] <nacc> OerHeks: suspend/resume == CRIU (imo)
[17:47] <OerHeks> it will reopen calculator yes.
[17:47] <Lupus> Hello guys.
[17:47] <nacc> OerHeks: but all state will be lost?
[17:48] <lan29> ioria, yeah, I am logged in and the vagrant container is on my Desktop yet I am still having the issue
[17:48] <foodSurprise> anyone wget wizards here
[17:48] <HermanDE> Ask your questions and they may be answered
[17:49] <Lupus> Okay.
[17:49] <Lupus> I made my FTP Server.
[17:49] <Lupus> And I can connect to it through my internal IP Address, not external.
[17:49] <Lupus> But someone can connect to it through my external IP Address.
[17:49] <Lupus> Why?
[17:49] <Lupus> :|...
[17:49] <nacc> Lupus: again?
[17:50] <Lupus> ... I'm here with another question.
[17:50] <nacc> Lupus: it looks to be exactly the same question
[17:50] <Lupus> ...
[17:50] <Lupus> Yesterday I asked how to configure it correctly.
[17:50] <OerHeks> Lupus, i gave you the fix yesterday
[17:50] <Lupus> And why I can't connect to it through the external IP Address.
[17:51] <Lupus> I fixed a part of it.
[17:51] <OerHeks> something with a scan and port 21 is open for yout ftp, not 22
[17:51] <HermanDE> Gotta start loving ipv6
[17:51] <ioria> lan29,  try to mv the folder in a not encrypted location
[17:51] <Lupus> I have and the port 21 and the port 22 opened.
[17:52] <Lupus> Anyway, I'll try to fix it..
[17:53] <foodSurprise> I want to do this with wget
[17:53] <foodSurprise> https://hastebin.com/wezemuveye.scala
[17:53] <foodSurprise> like a post
[17:54] <foodSurprise> i know i can do it but how excactly would i translate that into a wget
[17:54] <OerHeks> food, use the option 'just a text' top right corner, and you get https://hastebin.com/raw/wezemuveye
[17:54] <OerHeks> that you could wget into a file
[17:54] <foodSurprise> wait no
[17:54] <foodSurprise> sorry
[17:55] <foodSurprise> i have a file, tar.gz
[17:55] <OerHeks> or on other pstebins, search for 'raw'
[17:55] <huggybear404> Why cant I open software ? before I reboot it had downloads pending, now it refuse open at all, just give me a spinning wheel
[17:55] <alkisg> I think he means "how to do a post request with wget"
[17:55] <foodSurprise> if you see the code, there is a form action = post
[17:55] <foodSurprise> yeah
[17:55] <nacc> foodSurprise: `man wget`, search for 'post'
[17:57] <alkisg> huggybear404: what's the output of "ps aux | grep apt | nc termbin.com 9999" ?
[17:58] <foodSurprise> i found this wget --header="Content-type: multipart/form-data boundary=FILEUPLOAD" --post-file postfile http://domain/uploadform
[17:58] <enes> ok
[17:58] <huggybear404> alkisg 4vp8
[17:59] <foodSurprise> im just wondering if there is anything speical i need to do like with the  <input type="hidden" value="/home4/user" name="dir"> line and <input type="file" id="file1_id" name="file1" />
[17:59] <alkisg> huggybear404: you're currently installing smb4k
[17:59] <huggybear404> yes
[17:59] <alkisg> Maybe that's why software is spinning, it's waiting for apt to finish
[18:00] <huggybear404> it was same before I started apt
[18:00] <alkisg> OK, first wait until apt finishes and you have no apt process running, and then try opening software again. If again it has issues, then kill the master gnome-software process
[18:01] <huggybear404> now it says 5uv2c but still wont start software
[18:01] <huggybear404> howto kill that ?
[18:02] <alkisg> Did apt finish?
[18:02] <huggybear404> yes
[18:02] <alkisg> Close software, then run ps aux|grep software | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:03] <huggybear404> getting different result each time
[18:03] <huggybear404> k3ji
[18:03] <nacc> huggybear404: yes
[18:03] <nacc> huggybear404: that's spitting out a url suffix (afaict)
[18:03] <huggybear404> what does it mean ?
[18:03] <nacc> huggybear404: e.g., http://termbin.com/k3ji
[18:03] <nacc> huggybear404: do you understand the command you were running?
[18:03] <alkisg> huggybear404: try: killall gnome-software; sleep 1; killall -9 gnome-software; gnome-software
[18:05] <huggybear404> sounds brutal
[18:05] <huggybear404> that starts it
[18:06] <huggybear404> dont seem to work, If I click install just says pending but no installing
[18:07] <alkisg> Do you see any messages in the terminal where you ran the gnome-software command?
[18:07] <rcky85> bookz
[18:09] <huggybear404> hm Gs warnong failed to call gs-plugin_qadd-search
[18:09] <alkisg> If you copy-pasted, it would be easier to read it :)
[18:10] <huggybear404> hm then ill need to run irc on the server
[18:14] <huggybear405> (gnome-software:5823): Gs-WARNING **: failed to call gs_plugin_add_search on snap: Operation was cancelled
[18:14] <penetrator_MX> id
[18:16] <MoonBot> to sniff traffic on another computer within the same network, do I set tcpdump to the router/default gateway or do I need to nmap and find the exact computer IP
[18:17] <ry> MoonBot, unless you are still rocking a hub, as opposed to a switch, you would need to sniff that traffic at the router or device the computer you want to sniff the traffic of is connected to
[18:17] <MoonBot> yeah they go thru a switch
[18:18] <huggybear404> who cancelled and why ?
[18:18] <ry> If your switch or router has the capability, you can do what is called "spanning" or "port mirroring" to send all traffic to/from a specific port, to another port
[18:18] <MoonBot> so from my computer, I would sniff on the ip of the default gateway to see traffic from other devices?
[18:18] <MoonBot> it does have that ability
[18:18] <ry> this can also be done with iptables
[18:18] <MoonBot> I just never understood how to use it correctly for network sniffing
[18:19] <ry> it's more about how the traffic travels
[18:19] <MoonBot> wait actually mine has port forwarding, not mirroring
[18:19] <ry> if you are on say <IP_ADDRESS>/24, and the computer you want to sniff is talking to <IP_ADDRESS>, the router between those two subnets would be a good point to sniff the traffic
[18:19] <MoonBot> is that the same?  mirroring implies it sends a copy, forwarding implies it redirects the packets entirely
[18:20] <lan29> Hey all! If my home directory is encrypted, what is the best way to create a non-encrypted folder that I will regularly use? Thanks!
[18:20] <meister_> Wanna free spins on Starburst without depositing anything? Try your luck for free money 20 Free Spins on signing up http://bit.ly/2n6f4iA
[18:20] <ry> mirroring and forwarding (in the context of routing/switching) are very different
[18:20] <MoonBot> lan29: probably create a new folder in the main /home directory
[18:20] <MoonBot> okay ry, thats what I figured
[18:21] <ry> mirroring or spanning is only needed if you intend on sending the traffic you want to sniff TO YOU, instead of you logging into the router and sniffing the traffic locally
[18:21] <ry> for example
[18:21] <lan29> MoonBot, should I just use the terminal? Ubuntu won't let me just create a folder...
[18:22] <MoonBot> yes
[18:22] <MoonBot> cd /home
[18:22] <ry> i'm on <IP_ADDRESS>, the computer you want to sniff is <IP_ADDRESS>, and the router is <IP_ADDRESS> -- using 'spanning" you could have the router (or switch) send the traffic to a specific physical port, or using linux/iptables you could mirror the traffic to a specific IP
[18:22] <MoonBot> mkdir folderNameHere
[18:22] <MoonBot> wait, maybe ask the others if /home is the best place to put it
[18:22] <ry> if the router/switch has the capability to sniff traffic on it's own (if it has tcpdump via the cli, or some webui feature) you can do it right from the router, which would be easier
[18:23] <MoonBot> cuz /home is typically used for user account folders
[18:23] <MoonBot> so you could just create a new user to save unencrypted stuff in
[18:23] <MoonBot> ry, it does not
[18:24] <MoonBot> thats why I wanna figure out how to do it straight from my laptop
[18:24] <MoonBot> either tcpdump or wireshark, but I've had issues getting basic wireshark to run properly on my machine
[18:25] <ry> you can try wireshark portable -- it's more self contained so it could be easier to get running
[18:26] <ry> MoonBot, if you have a managed switch or a router that supports mirroring traffic then you can send the traffic to another machine
[18:27] <MoonBot> mine doesn't support mirroring, I wish
[18:27] <lan29> MoonBot, Yeah, I want to have regular access, so don't think another user would work
[18:27] <MoonBot> it's a cheap router but I wanna practice sniffing and stuff in a legal environment for proof of concept
[18:27] <MoonBot> lan29 if you're in the sudoers file you can still access their files
[18:28] <MoonBot> just make them a regular account, not a sudo account
[18:28] <MoonBot> basically wherever you make the folder, it has to be outside of YOUR home folder because that's the encrypted folder
[18:29] <MoonBot> lan29: you can just create another folder in the main /home directory
[18:29] <MoonBot> it gives you permission denied, right?  just use sudo
[18:29] <MoonBot> cd /home
[18:29] <MoonBot> sudo mkdir FolderNameHere
[18:29] <MoonBot> ^^^those two commands
[18:30] <MoonBot> now you have a folder outside the encrypted home directory that you can save files to
[18:31] <lan29> MoonBot, thanks, tried that but Ubuntu doesn't treat it as a regular folder - I can't drag other folders into it
[18:31] <akik> lan29: you need to change its permissions with chown
[18:31] <MoonBot> I believe you still need to change the permissions and group ownership
[18:31] <MoonBot> on the folder
[18:33] <MoonBot> lan29 what did you name the folder?
[18:33] <MoonBot> I have the commands you need
[18:33] <lan29> MoonBot, wp
[18:34] <MoonBot> okay, for this I am going to assume your username (on the computer) is lan29
[18:34] <MoonBot> cd /home
[18:34] <lan29> MoonBot, correct - thanks
[18:34] <MoonBot> sudo chown -R lan29 wp/
[18:35] <MoonBot> sudo chgrp -R lan29 wp/
[18:35] <MoonBot> and that should fix it
[18:35] <k1l_> the encrypted home only gets decrypted when the user logs in. so another user cant read it then
[18:36] <MoonBot> lan29 wants an unencrypted folder that's separate from their home folder to save stuff in
[18:36] <lan29> MoonBot, Yes! Works! Thank you so much!
[18:36] <MoonBot> no problem, happy to help!
[18:43] <mmanso> Hi Guys, I asked this question yesterday but I can't figure out the solution to my problem... I've a computer that has a UEFI BIOS only. I can boot it with a clonezilla PEN made with Rufus but I can't book ANY ubuntu distro (tryed all since 14.04). Any clue why?
[18:44] <alkisg> mmanso: use dd to write the ubuntu.iso to the stick
[18:44] <mmanso> alkisg: Tryed that also...
[18:44] <mmanso> dd if=ubuntu_image.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M
[18:44] <k1l_> mmanso: what image do you use exactly?
[18:45] <mmanso> k1l_: ubuntu-14.04.5-desktop-amd64.iso
[18:45] <k1l_> and is that a 32bit uefi?
[18:45] <mmanso> k1l_: the clonezilla's image I'm using (that boots) it amd64 also
[18:45] <mmanso> k1l_: I suppose it's a 64bit uefi...
[18:45] <k1l_> (32bit uefi is only used on some special tablets iirc)
[18:46] <beeray> hi, I am trying to stream video with vlc on virtualbox from one host to another but i keep on getting this error - VLC is unable to open the MRL 'rtp://<IP_ADDRESS>:5004'. Check the log for details. Please help because I have try to solve this since yesterday
[18:46] <k1l_> mmanso: did you md5sum the iso?
[18:46] <mmanso> k1l_: I've tryed also an iso called refind, burned it with Rufus also and it boots... only the linux distros (I've tryed others also) doesn't boot...
[18:47] <alkisg> mmanso: also, does it start to boot and it fails with some message, or it doesn't recognize the stick as bootable device?
[18:47] <mmanso> k1l_: I didn't md5sum, but for the amount of different isos I've tryed, I doubt it's an md5sum issue
[18:47] <k1l_> mmanso: wait. what pc is that? a mac?
[18:47] <mmanso> alkisg: no... it just doesn't appear as a valid boot device (it does, when using the clonezilla image)
[18:47] <mmanso> k1l_: it's a "inmove" small box... a PC
[18:47] <beeray> I am running my VM on ubuntu host
[18:48] <k1l_> mmanso: please do md5sum the iso. because this is the way to rule out errors. not just guessing
[18:48] <mmanso> k1l_: It comes with Windows10 on it
[18:48] <k1l_> mmanso: that is not a pc
[18:48] <mmanso> k1l_: I will... but please trust me when I'm saying I've tryed 10 different distros and isos :)
[18:48] <k1l_> mmanso: i guess that is some of that 32bit uefi crap
[18:49] <alkisg> mmanso: does clonezilla use grub there?
[18:49] <mmanso> k1l_: Should I try the ubuntu 32bit image? (didn't tryed that)
[18:49] <mmanso> alkisg: I don't know... It just appear on the "Bootable devices" list in the UEFI bios.
[18:49] <mmanso> alkisg: I press "ESC" on boot and it appears on the list of bootable devices
[18:50] <mmanso> alkisg: when that PEN (clonezilla) is inserted.
[18:50] <alkisg> mmanso: when you start booting it, do you see a grub menu? If yes, you can put both sticks, and tell clonezilla's grub to boot ubuntu instead
[18:50] <mmanso> alkisg: I see a GRUB menu, yes
[18:51] <mmanso> alkisg: erm... I can? can you help me out with that?
[18:51] <alkisg> mmanso: put both sticks, and the commands will be something like: set root=(hd1,msdos0); configfile /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[18:51] <mmanso> alkisg: I'll try to follow that route
[18:51] <mmanso> alkisg: Thanks a lot!
[18:51] <alkisg> I have to leave now, but it shouldn't be more than 2 commands like that
[18:59] <andrew_> Hey, Can anyone advise why you can't use Title as the title for the widget in the wordpress widget admin area?
[19:00] <nacc> andrew_: is this on your own wordpress host? (e.g., `apt install wordpress` in ubuntu)
[19:00] <andrew_> Yes it is
[19:01] <andrew_> I don't want to use title I was just curious as it works if I use any other text but if I use Title the widget isn't shown in widgets. Bizarre
[19:01] <nacc> andrew_: what happens when you try to do what you're doing? do you get an error?
[19:01] <nacc> andrew_: oh i see
[19:01] <andrew_> I looked through the wordpress source and couldn't find anywhere where wordpress is filtering this
[19:01] <andrew_> it's odd as hell
[19:01] <nacc> andrew_: 16.04?
[19:02] <andrew_> yes
[19:02] <nacc> andrew_: is it case-sensitive?
[19:02] <dax> #wordpress may also be helpful, if you haven't already been there
[19:02] <andrew_> one mo let me check
[19:02] <nacc> andrew_: if i had to guess, it's possibly buggy js :)
[19:03] <andrew_> oh yeah thanks dax
[19:03] <andrew_> I will try there
[19:03] <andrew_> I'm just curious. Seems very odd. As I said it doesn't affect what I'm doing it's just itching my brain if you get me?
[19:03] <nacc> andrew_: you might be able to deobfuscate the js and debug it with a breakpoint
[19:04] <skinux> Is IceWM a complete desktop environment or just an alternative to Gnome Display Manager?
[19:04] <akik> skinux: you'll get a gui with desktop with icewm
[19:05] <andrew_> Thanks guys. Gonna pop over to #wordpress. Have a great day
[19:05] <skinux> Is GDM itself resource heavy?
[19:06] <k1l_> skinux: a display manager like lightdm or gdm is different from a desktop environment
[19:07] <skinux> Okay
[19:21]  * rcampbel3 has the glibc 2.23-0ubuntu6 DNS patch and php-fpm blues... Doesn't really make a good song title.
[19:22] <SubCool> wow its quit in here.
[19:23] <SubCool> anyone mind on helping me with the most routimentry computer stuff?
[19:24] <SubCool> Its been forever since ive done CPU multiplers and frequncies and such. And... i forgot the equations. I found a few references, but they arent making much sense to me.
[19:24] <SubCool> (just remembered about offtopic channel)
[19:25] <Absolute0> When I run crontab -e as regular user I get permission denied error
[19:25] <Absolute0> How do I enable crontabs for regular users as well?
[19:26] <stevehope> hi
[19:27] <tomreyn> Absolute0: hmm i think it's enabled by default. which ubuntu release is this?
[19:27] <Ingenic> Might have to add your user to the cron group. If that's still a thing
[19:27] <Absolute0> ~  crontab -e
[19:27] <Absolute0> /tmp/crontab.yUsQes: Permission denied
[19:27] <Absolute0> Creation of temporary crontab file failed - aborting
[19:27] <Absolute0> tomreyn: I added myself to crontab group
[19:29] <tomreyn> Absolute0: if your user can't write to /tmp that hints at /tmp being broken
[19:29] <tomreyn> i.e. you somehow have bad permissions set there
[19:29] <Absolute0> tomreyn: It works if I run crontab -e with sudo
[19:30] <tomreyn> meaning?
[19:30] <Absolute0> sudo crontab -e -u absolute0 worked
[19:30] <Absolute0> but not without sudo
[19:30] <tomreyn> right - /tmp is broken / not correctly / unusually configured on your system
[19:31] <Absolute0> drwxr-xr-x    6 root     root      4096 Mar 21 15:30 tmp
[19:31] <tomreyn> $ ls -ld /tmp
[19:31] <tomreyn> drwxrwxrwt 15 root root 20480 Mär 21 20:28 /tmp
[19:32] <Absolute0> cd tmpfs /run tmpfs rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,size=377676k,mode=755 0 0
[19:32] <Absolute0>  /tmp is not mounted
[19:32] <Absolute0> It's just a dir.
[19:33] <tomreyn> i fon'T know your partitioning scheme / mount points / file system layout.
[19:33] <tomreyn> *don't
[19:34] <akik> Absolute0: sudo chmod 1777 /tmp
[19:35] <tomreyn> or start by showing /etc/fstab before you make things worse
[19:35] <jeffreylevesque> how much harddisk should the swap get?
[19:36] <Ingenic> about half your RAM is usually standard
[19:36] <Absolute0> tomreyn: http://pastebin.com/FCwZsSF5
[19:36] <jeffreylevesque> even for ubuntu server?
[19:37] <k1l_> no
[19:37] <Ingenic> usually modern systems don't run out of ram anymore, so swap isnt that important
[19:37] <k1l_> there is only one size that has an actual background (swap=ram, because for using suspend). all other swap sizes are just random
[19:38] <tomreyn> Absolute0: so the /dev/mapper/vglocal20170108-tmp00 LVM2 volume should normally mount to /tmp. does "mount" show it mounted?
[19:38] <Absolute0> how can I check if crontab is running properly?
[19:38] <Absolute0> Or rerun all the cron jobs?
[19:38] <emir> hello everybody
[19:38] <jeffreylevesque> i'm doing an install and it has two partitions
[19:38] <jeffreylevesque> swap, and `/`
[19:38] <tomreyn> Absolute0: ... if not, find out why it's not mounted, by either mounting it manually "sudo mount /tmp" or by reviewing your system logs.
[19:39] <jeffreylevesque> the primary `/` has 8.6 GB, while the swap has 4.3GB
[19:39] <beeray> hi, I am trying to stream video with vlc on virtualbox from one host to another but i keep on getting this error - VLC is unable to open the MRL 'rtp://<IP_ADDRESS>:5004'. Check the log for details. Please help because I have try to solve this since yesterday. I am using ubuntu host with openvswitch switch as bridge
[19:39] <jeffreylevesque> is that reasonable?
[19:39] <k1l_> jeffreylevesque: if you want to suspend, then use swap=ram. if not its your choice.
[19:40] <Absolute0> tomreyn: /dev/mapper/vglocal20170108-tmp00 on /tmp type ext4 (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,data=ordered)
[19:40] <jeffreylevesque> suspend, like putting the os to sleep?
[19:40] <k1l_> jeffreylevesque: yes
[19:41] <jeffreylevesque> if i don't plan on putting it to sleep, then i can just delete the entire swap during install?
[19:41] <jeffreylevesque> what if i attempt to suspend when it has no swap, though?
[19:42] <k1l_> it doesnt suspend then.
[19:42] <k1l_> but today you can use swapfiles too and there is no need for a swap partition.
[19:43] <darkl0rd> Hey folks - having issues on ubuntu 16.04 when trying to compile for 32-bit (i386). I did dpkg --add-architecture; apt-get update; apt-get install libc6:i386 & co - all libraries are there, however when I do a cc -m32 test.c, it reports:  /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/5/libgcc.a when searching for -lgcc. Checked /etc/ld.so.conf.d/, and re-ran ldconfig. Library is there.
[19:43] <darkl0rd> clues?
[19:43] <k1l_> jeffreylevesque: but if you dont know or are a beginner, start with the standard setup. it doesnt hurt.
[19:46] <SpaceBear> why wont tomcat install?
[19:46] <SpaceBear> http://pastebin.com/SvNAur1Q
[19:46] <SpaceBear> apt-get install tomcat7 is failing
[19:46] <jeffreylevesque> i think i just did 10GB on primary
[19:47] <jeffreylevesque> and like 143MB for swap
[19:47] <jeffreylevesque> and the difference of 1GB-143MB between /home, and one other
[19:47] <jeffreylevesque> **2GB-143MB
[19:47] <jeffreylevesque> not sure 143MB of swap is really going to do anything
[19:48] <jeffreylevesque> was that pretty pointless?
[19:54] <darkl0rd> For the record, Im running multi-arch - compiling for many architectures, they all work except the one that I would expect to be trivial; x86 (i[3|6]86
[19:56] <Rick_> Cannot Login at www.ubuntuforums.org  ... what gives?
[19:56] <rx-determine> what
[19:56] <rx-determine> sorry problems
[19:56] <rx-determine> need to disocnect
[19:57] <k1l_> Rick_: #ubuntuforums is where the admins and mods are
[19:57] <darkl0rd> This the wrong channel to ask about Ubuntu compiler related issues?
[19:57] <jjbreard> @Joao, peux-tu me créer un compte sur Gitlab stp ? Je suis bloqué pour mon install Odoo en local :-/
[19:57] <nicomachus> !fr | jjbreard
[19:58] <ouroumov> I've got a TLS certificate failure on  www.ubuntuforums.org lol
[19:58] <nicomachus> ouroumov: 14:57 < k1l_> Rick_: #ubuntuforums is where the admins and mods are
[20:10] <EVAunit01> Can i get some help logging into Ubuntuforums?
[20:10] <k1l_> EVAunit01: #ubuntuforums for issues with the forums. that is where the admins and mods are
[20:10] <EVAunit01> thank you,
[20:14] <yourname> [C[C[C
[20:16] <Rick_> Need Help!
[20:18] <histo> Rick_: /join #ubuntuforums
[20:19] <Rick_> UbuntuStudio v16.04LTS - Software Updater shows "Not All Updates Can Be Installed" ; click "partial upgrade" - Password Required. Click details - and shows "Action: com.ubuntu.release-upgrader.partial-upgrade" and "Vender: ubuntu". Note that the URL is wrong and UNTRUSTED. Just ran update and it updated. So, don't think this is valid. What to do?
[20:22] <k1l_> Rick_: close the updater, open a treminal and run "sudo apt update" show the full output on paste.ubuntu.com and show the url here
[20:22] <Munger_> Is there anyone here who understands the first thing about apparmor? I needed to move a binary with dpkg-divert and apparmor is having a hissy fit.
[20:23] <pringles> hi
[20:24] <Rick_> URL: https://paste.ubuntu.com/24223957/
[20:25] <k1l_> Rick_: as you can see the issue is the 3rd party repo you use
[20:26] <Rick_> Does that mean its a BAD link?
[20:26] <Delvien> why are you using bitdefender anyway?
[20:27] <Rick_> To catch BAD elements.
[20:27] <ioria> Rick_, it's a warning, but you have 7 packages to upgrade
[20:27] <k1l_> Rick_: tell them to fix their repo. but its not an error. so that doesnt make issues
[20:27] <Delvien> what do you mean by "BAD elements"
[20:28] <k1l_> Rick_: you can run "sudo apt full-upgrade" now
 cia; nsa; gov't snoops; malware; etc.
[20:29] <Delvien> Rick_: tinfoil hat time. Bitdefender wont protect you from that.
 what do you suggest?
[20:30] <ioria> Rick_,  ubuntu use a stronger signature 256
[20:30] <katakaio> Is anyone else unable to login to ubuntuforums.org with SSO? I've tried multiple machines and browsers, but I'm thinking their login page may be busted.
[20:31] <k1l_> katakaio: the specialists are in #ubuntuforums
[20:31] <Delvien> Dont click dumb links, dont run random code you dl off the web, if you want an encrypted connection to the web, use a VPN. these things will protect you more than some crappy anti-malware software
[20:31] <howefield> Rick_ et all : just an update, IS are responding, unfortunately with a WFM, so still working with them to resolve the issue.
[20:31] <katakaio> k1l_: Thanks, I thought I'd poll the audience first
[20:32] <Delvien> katakaio:  its down for me too
[20:32] <Cyber_Akuma> http://ask.xmodulo.com/configure-linux-bridge-network-manager-ubuntu.html <--- Are these the proper instructions if I wanted to bridge my wifi connection to my ethernet port so I could connect another system to my wifi through ubuntu's ethernet port? Or are these the other way around?
[20:34] <Delvien> Cyber_Akuma: Seems right, I would test but I dont have the setup req
[20:35] <xz> hi there, I have live persistent USB stick 16.04 distro, I need to cut some fat. Started by uninstalling libreoffice package, what else is there, that's relatively big and I can free up some space?
[20:36] <xz> I do need much more than python2.7, bash, ssh and couple basic things
[20:36] <xz> are there some games?
[20:36] <ioria> xz, yes
[20:36] <Delvien> sudoku, mines, but these are barely a couple megs
[20:37] <xz> Delvien: anything bigger?
[20:37] <xz> Delvien: anything that's close to 100MB or more?
[20:37] <ChaiTRex> xz: If you're willing to start over, you can use the mini ISO to install Xubuntu Core or Lubuntu Core. That'll cut a lot of fat.
[20:37] <xz> Delvien: I can free up firefox, don't need browser
[20:37] <xz> ChaiTRex: I have an application that by design works on 16.04, so I want to stick to it
[20:37] <xz> ChaiTRex: as developers only work on that very distro
[20:38] <Delvien> xz best bet is to load up the livecd and look at the installed packages.
[20:38] <xz> ChaiTRex: so I want to keep same baseline
[20:38] <ChaiTRex> xz: OK
[20:38] <xz> Delvien: where/how do I do that efficiently?
[20:38] <Bashing-om> xz: Much easier to build up than to tear down . Why not build from a minimal install ?
[20:38] <ioria> xz, so you need unity ?
[20:38] <xz> Bashing-om: again, I'm running application that was developped and designed on full 16.04
[20:38] <Delvien> xz depends on the DE. "software" or gnome-software for xfce
[20:39] <xz> ioria: I think I do - their app is python and cli only, but some python libs want X installed for whatever reason
[20:39] <tatertots> xz: perhaps the purchase of a larger capacity usb stick
[20:39] <xz> ioria: there is some design flaws, to be honest
[20:39] <xz> tatertots: it's not about that, I want to keep image of USB stick lean
[20:39] <xz> tatertots: it's more about sharing image of that stick with other people later on
[20:40] <Bashing-om> xz: K, just as a thought .. the miniaml is the complete kernel - just nothing added other than the boot code and simple networking . One can add what ever else is required .
[20:40] <ioria> xz,  python does not require unity
[20:40] <xz> ioria: if I get rid of unity, will I still have Xorg?
[20:40] <ioria> xz,  sure
[20:40] <genii> xz: ubuntu-desktop dependency list: http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/ubuntu-desktop
[20:40] <Delvien> unity is a DE, xorg is the X server stuffs
[20:40] <xz> ioria: what's the package name?
[20:41] <Delvien> ubuntu-desktop is the meta package, look for the rest under that
[20:41] <ioria> xz,  of what ? you need to get rid of the entire ubuntu-desktop
[20:41] <k1l_> xz: why not start with the lubuntu iso?
[20:41] <xz> ioria: ok, so apt-get purge ubuntu-desktop ?
[20:41] <xz> k1l_: I have an app that was designed from scratch on 16.04, I want to stick to it
[20:41] <Delvien> getting rid of a meta package does not get rid of the packages under that meta-package
[20:41] <ioria> xz,  ^ k1l_
 Thanks for your reply. But as to precautions, I am very cautious and do mostly Trading Futures. But I know they plant 'bugs' everywhere even in USB sticks and Optical Disks. Thought BitDefender may help find those 'critters'.
[20:42] <k1l_> xz: lubuntu is 16.04 too
[20:42] <Delvien> you can install via a meta-package, but cannot remove said packages through the removal of the meta
[20:42] <k1l_> !lubuntu | xz
[20:42] <xz> ubottu: does it have all same utilities as regular 16.04?
[20:42] <xz> k1l_: wow !
[20:42] <xz> k1l_: that's a trick
[20:43] <k1l_> xz: the ubuntu flavors are the same base systems just with different desktops.
[20:43] <xz> k1l_: ok, I can try lubuntu
[20:44] <Perigee2> Anyone know where the celestia package went? I'm on 16.04, its not in my repos
[20:44] <Delvien> honestly, there are several ways to go about this, you can start with ubuntu-server, or ubuntu core (have no exp with this one) and build the live cd from this. There are guides online, might be best to google, and determine your own path as you may get several differing answers here and you may jumble the suggestions and come up with something non-functional
[20:46] <xdevnull> Hello
[20:47] <genii> Perigee2: Enable the "universe" repository
[20:47] <Perigee2> genii: I do
[20:48] <genii> !info celestia xenial
[20:48] <xdevnull> I'm a win user. Planning to move to Ubuntu. Is it possible to know what drivers are supported so i can download what missing before i do format?
[20:48] <genii> Looks like not backported
[20:48] <k1l_> genii: Perigee2 its  gone since 14.04
[20:48] <Perigee2> oh
[20:48] <k1l_> maybe it got kicked out of debian and therefor wasnt synced anymore
[20:49] <genii> Hm
[20:49] <Rick_> ATTN: to one and all ... Login via SSO on www.ubuntuforums.org is FIXED !
[20:50] <ioria> Perigee2, i think you need to build it
[20:51] <ioria> Perigee2, http://askubuntu.com/questions/780596/install-celestia-on-ubuntu-16-04/780639
[20:51] <Bashing-om> xdevnull: linux does not work that way . 90% of whatever drivers you may need are supplied . All I can advise is boot up a live version and see what does not work and go from there .
[20:51] <Perigee2> ioria: thanks
[20:51] <fiberbaby> what the heck has happened to the network manager there is no longer a disconnect vpn alternative :(
[20:51] <ioria> Perigee2, good luck
[20:52] <xdevnull> Bashing-om, Thanks Sir.
[20:55] <Bashing-om> xdevnull: NP, try it .. you will like it. BUT this ain't Windows .
[20:57] <firas> Hey guys, sorry to interrupt you... If any of you is interested in GNU/Linux be sure to check my website http://www.dotslashlinux.com/ . Thanks in advance! Have a great day!
[20:57] <Delvien> firas: this isnt the place to advertise.
[20:57] <ChaiTRex> firas: Sorry, but we're all Windows afficionados here.
[20:57] <firas> sorry my bad :P
[20:58] <darkl0rd> Second attempt ;-) Does anyone have any experience with compiling code for i386 (-m32) on a x86_64 platform using a MultiArch setup?
[20:58] <darkl0rd> I can compile for all foreign architectures - armhf, arm64, powerpc.. but I can't get i386 to work on x86_64
[20:58] <darkl0rd> During linking I keep getting the error that it can't find libgcc_s.so.1, which is actually installed (libgcc1:i386 & co are there)
[20:59] <darkl0rd> looking at gcc search path, it by default only search x86_64-linux-gnu
[20:59] <darkl0rd> ld.so.conf.d is setup to look in the i386 paths, ldconfig -v shows the library - 32-bit binaries run fine. So the problem seems to be isolated to the compiler (gcc).
[21:04] <xdevnull> Bashing-om, I know basic stuff. Like installation some terminal commands. My issue with the folder directory's what each mean. except "/home/" and permissions so i'll read about these stuff
[21:09] <Bashing-om> XDS2010: Like I say , linux is different, but once you grasp the file system you are well on your way to mastering linux .
[21:10] <xz> here is the question, I have live persistent USB stick, 4GB with 16.04 (still that) on it; my partitions are: sdb3 = fat32 efi partition, sdb4 is unknown Ubuntu 16.04, sdb5 is casper-rw
[21:10] <xz> sdb5 (casper) is 2.15GB, but I'm using currently only 223MB from it
[21:10] <xz> can I shrink sdb5 and move that space to db4?
[21:11] <xz> or should I do the other way round, and make casper bigger?
[21:11] <xz> I want my / to have more free space
[21:11] <xz> at the end of the day
[21:11] <xz> and df -h reports / has 2.2GB, so that looks like casper partition size
[21:24] <TTN> linux (3.13.0-112) broke my wifi functionality.
[21:24] <TTN> changelog says  CVE-2017-2636 was the only chnage
[21:24] <TTN> so I file a bug against that or comment there or what do  I do?
[21:27] <Delvien> 3.13 as in kernel 3.13?
[21:28] <TTN> Delvien: 3.13.0-120-generic
[21:28] <TTN> yep.
[21:28] <Delvien> TTN: lsb_release -a
[21:28] <Delvien> and tell us what version of ubuntu youre running
[21:28] <TTN> LSB Version:	core-2.0-amd64:core-2.0-noarch:core-3.0-amd64:core-3.0-noarch:core-3.1-amd64:core-3.1-noarch:core-3.2-amd64:core-3.2-noarch:core-4.0-amd64:core-4.0-noarch:core-4.1-amd64:core-4.1-noarch:security-4.0-amd64:security-4.0-noarch:security-4.1-amd64:security-4.1-noarch
[21:28] <TTN> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[21:28] <TTN> Description:	Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS
[21:28] <TTN> Release:	14.04
[21:28] <TTN> Codename:	trusty
[21:28] <TTN> (didn't bother pastebinning as there isn't a lot of activity here atm)
[21:29] <xdevnull> Ubuntu Software is broken in 16.04?
[21:29] <k1l_> xdevnull: what do you mean?
[21:30] <chloesoe> Hi there :) In Ubuntu the kernel is named 4.4.0-57, and the most recent 4.4 kernel in kernel.org is 4.4.57. Are this the same kernel versions and ubuntu does a different naming?
[21:30] <acheron-a> 16.04.2 is working great here
[21:30] <xdevnull> k1l_:  it shows loading. i didn't download anything. and everything is filled with three dots. I'll make screenshot moment
[21:30] <TTN> Delvien: running 14.04 64bit
[21:30] <k1l_> TTN: TTN__ not caring about the paste limit because its not much activity in here makes the bot mute you anyway.
[21:30] <TTN> yea I found out xD will be pastebinning in future
[21:30] <k1l_> xdevnull: give it some time.
[21:30]  * acheron-a xD *
[21:31] <xdevnull> k1l_: http://prnt.sc/emujq6
[21:31] <xdevnull> Fresh install btw. just opened it
[21:31] <TTN> Delvien: http://pastebin.com/tnDh49em
[21:32] <Delvien> TTN ubuntu-support-status
[21:32] <Delvien> TTN nvm found the End of life. not till april '19
[21:32] <TTN> yea
[21:33] <Delvien> TTN so is the wireless card not showing up in your network manager?>
[21:33] <Delvien> TTN what does ifconfig show for available interfaces?
[21:34] <Delvien> let me rephrase, does the wireless card show up in ifconfig
[21:34] <TTN> Delvien: the problem is I'm getting a lot of "deauthenticating by local choice (reason=3)" in dmesg, and the inability to connect to wifi networks with the kernel3.13.0-120-generic   whereas the previous kernel (3.13.0-110-generic) works just fine. (just so that we're on the same page)
[21:35] <TTN> ok so I'll switch to the other kernel and give you some output from ifconfig?
[21:35] <TTN> or what do we do? I'm happy running off 3.13.0-110-generic I'd just like to file a bug or whoever made the changes that they broke things
[21:35] <TTN> so that it can be repaired.
[21:35] <Delvien> TTN sec
[21:36] <kl365> in the last 4 years I have not had a single ubuntu install upgrade successfully without having to backup and reinstall from scratch. Any suggestions on how to check for things that might cause an upgrade to fail because at this point I'm pretty much done with this OS and going to move my office back to FreeBSD
[21:36] <Delvien> TTN:  does the updated kernel show the wifi card in ifconfig?
[21:37] <TTN> brb rebooting will report..
[21:37] <darkl0rd> anyone with multiarch / gcc experience?
[21:37] <k1l_> kl365: the logs from the upgrader tell you where it fails.
[21:37] <TTN> Delvien: oh and should I do anythign with sec atm?
[21:37] <k1l_> kl365: but the ubuntu packages get automated testings since years. so the more non ubuntu repo packages you add, the more risk you get to fail
[21:38] <Delvien> TTN honestly, join IRC from your phone or another computer so you dont have to keep rebooting
[21:38] <TTN> ok
[21:38] <kl365> the system locks up and crashes, couldn't see anything in the log that would point to failure
[21:40] <k1l_> xdevnull: can you show the output of "ls -al .local/share/gnome-software/" in a pastebin?
[21:40] <ppf> kl365: then what are the messages around the crash?
[21:41] <TTN_phone> Delvien: I've tried 3 reboots this morning, some last night and now I reboot and it works?!
[21:41] <nacc> chloesoe: they are unrelated
[21:42] <xdevnull> k1l_: In stackoverflow they mentioned to make "Check for updates" already updating. thought it's already updated cuz of fresh copy. Hopefully it will fix that. I'll let you know
[21:42] <TTN_phone> guess the whole point is moot then. just checked and I am running the newer kernel. :confused: but ok.. it works
[21:42] <Delvien> TTN_phone: It may be the service startup order, seems an issue with older kernel builds, and not only ubuntu from what im finding
[21:42] <nacc> chloesoe: all you know is the ubuntu kernel is 4.4.0 based. The -57 refers to the 57th ABI bump
[21:42] <Delvien> TTN_phone: All else fails, keep using the older kernel, You should be able to report the bug on launchpad
[21:43] <k1l_> xdevnull: a fresh copy is not uptodate since there are daily updates.
[21:43] <TTN_phone> Delvien: I'd like to point out that earlier I was saying 3.13.0-120-generic when I meant to say 3.13.0-112-generic
[21:43] <xdevnull> k1l_: I see. I'll restart now. ;)
[21:43] <Delvien> TTN_laptop: so the older kernel was not working and the new one is? or the other way around
[21:44] <Delvien> TTN_laptop:  mind you: you are using a version of ubuntu from nearly 2 years ago, so Im not up-to-date on its problems
[21:44] <TTN_laptop> Delvien: newer kernel stopped working, older one worked great. and now the newer one works for an unknown reasin ( I did install sec before rebooting)
[21:44] <Delvien> TTN_laptop: like i said, might be the services not starting in the right order or at the same time causing confusion
[21:45] <TTN_laptop> ok
[21:45] <TTN_laptop> thanks.
[21:45] <Delvien> TTN_laptop: np, report the bug on launchpad
[21:45] <Delvien> TTN_laptop: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[21:46] <kl365> last entry in apt-term.log is http://pastebin.com/z65dmEx9
[21:48] <ppf> kl365: how are you upgrading?
[21:48] <kl365> from unity env on a desktop
[21:48] <kl365> which failed because my apt was out of date so i updated version then ran from term
[21:48] <ppf> some gui tool or running the do-release-upgrade tool?
[21:48] <ppf> what version are you on, what version are you upgrading to?
[21:49] <kl365> do-release-upgrade
[21:49] <nacc> do-release-upgrade should handle the apt transition for you, iirc
[21:49] <ppf> yeah, it should
[21:49] <k1l_> apt out of date?!?
[21:49] <nacc> k1l_: sometimes you need the apt from the newer release
[21:49] <kl365> 14.04 -> 16.04
[21:49] <nacc> k1l_: for understanding repository changes (iirc)
[21:50] <ppf> kl365: so the upgrader asked you for your input in that modified file. what happened then?
[21:50] <kl365> that's the thing, my computer froze before i saw the prompt and then crashed
[21:51] <ppf> what's in the syslog about that crash?
[21:52] <ppf> anyways, you should be able to continue the upgrade with sudo apt -f install
[21:52] <TTN_laptop> Delvien: is there any point filing a bug when I can't reproduce it? (I've done a few reboots)
[21:53] <chloesoe> nacc: thanks: so if I install the most recent 4.4.55 from kernel.org it would be newer than the 4.4.0-xx of the ubuntu branch?
[21:54] <nacc> chloesoe: define 'newer' ?
[21:54] <nacc> chloesoe: do you mean chronologically purely?
[21:54] <nacc> chloesoe: there are patches in the ubuntu kernel that are not upstream (and are often needed for things like apparmor, iirc). And there are upstream patches that are not necessarily (I think) in the Ubuntu kernel.
[21:54] <xdevnull> k1l_ Solved. but i've question regarding drivers. for example. I've Nvidia drivers. but x.Org.Server selected for graphics. Should i keep it? or change it to nvidia
[21:54] <nacc> chloesoe: they are both forks from 4.4.0 in a way
[21:55] <kl365> Mar 21 15:53:47 Agamemmnon upstart-socket-bridge[5870]: message repeated 2 times: [ Could not obtain job start condition /com/ubuntu/Upstart/jobs/udev_2dfallback_2dgraphics: Method "Get" with signature "ss" on interface "org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties" doesn't exist]
[21:55] <k1l_> xdevnull: you can install the nvidia drivers in software&updates tab. most time the nvidia driver gives better support
[21:56] <chloesoe> nacc: yes, i thought "newer" is quite a difficult definition ;)
[21:56] <nacc> chloesoe: esp. with respect to the kernel :)
[21:56] <nacc> chloesoe: the easiest thing would be to diff the git trees, presuming you know how kernel development works
[21:56] <kl365> right aroudn the time it froze followed by multiple "ar 21 16:09:57 Agamemmnon dbus[657]: [system] Activated service 'org.freedesktop.Accounts' failed: Failed to setup environment correctly" after powering up post-crash
[21:57] <chloesoe> nacc: so actually we could say, 4.4.47 is a bugfix version of 4.4.0 and 4.4.0-47 is a bugfix version from ubuntu?
[21:57] <nacc> chloesoe: definitely yes on the former; I think technically in the latter, new features can be introduce (although unlikely)
[21:58] <chloesoe> nacc: unfortunately I'm not a developper, only wanted to have a self compilede kernel ;)
[21:58] <k1l_> chloesoe: no.
[21:58] <chloesoe> so no git diff
[21:58] <nacc> chloesoe: that's not a sensible combination (to me)
[21:58] <ppf> no it is nt
[21:58] <k1l_> chloesoe: the ubuntu kernels to have a lot of patches included. a lot of backports from newer kernels (due to hardware /driver support) or other ubuntu specific patches.
[21:59] <nacc> chloesoe: if you're not a developer, you probably don't want to deal with the pain of maintaining (and yes, you ahve to *maintain* it) your own kernel
[22:00] <kl365> be back, will try to rollback updates and report back in
[22:01] <chloesoe> k1l_: so then it would be better to stay at the standard kernel. so it's also easier to update with apt-get
[22:02] <k1l_> chloesoe: yes. that is much easier. and ubuntu ships lernel udpates for security and bugfix reasons.
[22:02] <chloesoe> nacc: actually I installed the kernel to check if my LPIC book is right ;)
[22:02] <k1l_> if you want to compile own kernels, you can do that.
[22:03] <ppf> kl365: don't go back, go foward
[22:03] <ppf> complete the upgrades, and fix things if still broken
[22:03] <nacc> chloesoe: LPIC?
[22:03] <chloesoe> but to make sure I have to install the newes one 4.10.4 :)
[22:04] <chloesoe> nacc: yes, wan't to have a paper that shows what I work with
[22:05] <nacc> chloesoe: sorry, I don't follow, but it sounds like you have got an answer; don't run your own kernel (because it's not trivial to maintain, amongst other reason) but use the ones Ubuntu provides (not the mainline builds, the ones in the normal repository)
[22:06] <chloesoe> nacc: ok. thank's for your answers
[22:11] <xdevnull> lol keep loosing internet connection
[22:13] <Bashing-om> xdevnull: And I experienced a system freeze. Are you and I caught up ?
[22:14] <xdevnull> Bashing-om, Not system was working well. Just internet
[22:17] <kl366_> Ran dpkg - - configure - a and it resumed the update (kl365)
[22:29] <ryan_> hello
[22:29] <Bashing-om> Hello ryan_ . You have a ubuntu issue ?
[22:29] <ryan_> yea
[22:30] <ryan_> a few
[22:30] <ryan_> can u cast screen
[22:30] <ryan_> to tv
[22:30] <ryan_> wirelessl
[22:32] <nacc> ryan_: do you mean to a chromecast?
[22:32] <ryan_> well yea
[22:32] <ryan_> anycast though is the device
[22:32] <k1l_> ubuntu is working on aethercast. but i dont know how well that works
[22:32] <ryan_> im running ubuntu mate on pi3 @w the moment
[22:33] <anheru> exit
[22:33] <ryan_> kil i saw that looking up
[22:37] <adrian_1908> Anyone having problems with the recent Nvidia driver update (375.39)? I was starting an OpenGL game and only get a black screen.
[22:38] <Bashing-om> adrian_1908: How did you install the 375 version driver ? Maybe broke in the update ?
[22:39] <adrian_1908> Bashing-om: just via apt, it came from the regular channels. I didn't see any errors during installation.
[22:40] <adrian_1908> I just started Blender and that seems totally fine. I wonder what it could be then.
[22:40] <Perigee> Anyone know how to fix some minor screen tearing with Unity + Intel HD graphics?
[22:41] <Bashing-om> adrian_1908: If all other than the game is good . I would consider re-installing the game .
[22:42] <adrian_1908> Bashing-om: yeah, I'll go try some more stuff and decide then.
[22:42] <Bashing-om> adrian_1908: Sounds reasonable :)
[23:02] <negen> did apt effectively replace apt-get ? or is apt-get still used ?
[23:02] <ChaiTRex> apt-get is still recommended for scripts and it doesn't have all of apt-get's functionality.
[23:03] <Bashing-om> negen: While apt-get is still supported , yes apt is the replacemnt .
[23:04] <negen> do you know the time frame in which apt was pushed out to your stable releases ?
[23:07] <Bashing-om> negen: looks to have been the 1st quarter of 2014 : https://mvogt.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/apt-1-0/ ; https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/26q2sm/apt_vs_aptget/ ; http://www.howtogeek.com/234583/simplify-command-line-package-management-with-apt-instead-of-apt-get/ .
[23:09] <negen> it is been about ten years since I used ubuntu/debian and currently I am studying for the lpic1 exam and there are questions in which they ask about apt apt-get or yum when apt-get and yum seem to be depreciated it is why i was asking thanks for your help
[23:14] <\9> negen: hmm? ubuntu doesn't have yum. that's a red hat thing
[23:15] <Bashing-om> negen: Hey no problem ; Keep in mind linux is a fast moving target . a lot changes real quick :)
[23:17] <negen> well of course ubuntu does not use yum probably after some hacking one could probably get yum to work but the point was that both yum and apt-get are on this exam and no longer used both have been replaced but some questions give both the new and the old package manager as the option
[23:19] <genii> Actually, yum is being placed now with dnf
[23:19] <genii> placed/replaced
[23:21] <nemesis> hi
[23:23] <histo> All of these package managers are silly.  The fact that each distro has to reinvent the wheel annoys me.
[23:23] <pavlos> negen, from the apt(8) page, seems it was introduced Nov 2013 ... https://manpages.debian.org/jessie/apt/apt.8.en.html
[23:24] <negen> I kinda like the way arch linux handles package management the best
[23:24] <negen> thanks for that
[23:24] <negen> pavlos, thank you
[23:24] <pavlos> negen, np
[23:25] <negen> I think i will take the linux essentials exam before the lpic1 just to get the hang of how these questions are going to be asked
[23:27] <negen> is this  ^ referred to as a carrot ?
[23:31] <alex__> hi
[23:34] <volund> aaaaaaaaaaargh
[23:34] <volund> problem after problem!
[23:34] <volund> at least I finally got booted...
[23:34] <raymondillo> negen: the ^ is Caret.
[23:36] <cncr04s> anyone know how to configure a lacp bond? my speed while bonded is about 5mbps, on 2x1G
[23:38] <blkadder> What is it on a single link and from where to where?
[23:38] <volund> OKAY I have some issues. I just installed Ubuntu 16.10 64-bit Desktop on my heavy-duty gaming rig in 64-bit UEFI. Not sure if UEFI was the right choice. ON BOOT I would keep getting graphics freezes, and was only able to get the installer to launch by editing the grub launch line with 'nosplash verbose nomodeset'. This once it was installed, I had to further edit my /boot/grub/grub.cfg with similar options to actually boot from the hard drive. and here I
[23:38] <volund> am now, with nouveau seemingly doing nothing since I can't figure out how to bring up multi-monitor...
[23:38] <volund> OR increase my resolution...
[23:40] <volund> I heard that the driver for the GTX 980 Ti is only for 16.04?
[23:41] <volund> is this so?
[23:45] <reepca> So confused... freshly formatted fat32-only flash drive that should still be good is read-only in file manager, but same user can write to it just fine from terminal. As in "mkdir /media/reepca/DATA/test" succeeds but right-clicking in /media/reepca/DATA/ and clicking new directory causes an error about it being read-only.
[23:46] <lord-arhemadan> Powerbook G3 guy from yesterday! Everything's working fine since I installed precise, except for one thing: The Wireless card
[23:47] <lord-arhemadan> And the most I can give specifics on is that it's a PCMCIA Orinoco Gold card, and that networkmanager gives up trying to connect to my phone's wifi hotspot
[23:48] <lord-arhemadan> Hm, wait... I'll be right back. I'm gonna test something out.
[23:49] <volund> whew. i switched to nVidia drivers instead of Nouveau and it seems to be working awesome for now
[23:50] <negen> you got your bumblebees working ?
[23:52] <lasse_> Hi guys
[23:53] <lasse_> I need some help with my ubunto server. I have set up a prestashop, and done every thing by the book but when i try to use the installer i get this msg, <?php /* * 2007-2014 PrestaShop * * NOTICE OF LICENSE * * This source file is subject to the Open Software License (OSL 3.0) * that is bundled with this package in the file LICENSE.txt. * It is also available through the world-wide-web at this URL: * http://opensource.org/licenses/os
[23:54] <lasse_> * If you did not receive a copy of the license and are unable to * obtain it through the world-wide-web, please send an email * to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>so we can send you a copy immediately. * * DISCLAIMER * * Do not edit or add to this file if you wish to upgrade PrestaShop to newer * versions in the future. If you wish to customize PrestaShop for your * needs please refer to http://www.prestashop.com for more information. * *  @a
[23:54] <lasse_> ups sorry wrong pase
[23:54] <lasse_>  require_once(dirname(__FILE__).DIRECTORY_SEPARATOR.'init.php');  try { 	require_once(_PS_INSTALL_PATH_.'classes'.DIRECTORY_SEPARATOR.'controllerHttp.php'); 	InstallControllerHttp::execute(); } catch (PrestashopInstallerException $e) { 	$e->displayMessage(); }
[23:54] <lasse_> this is the error
[23:54] <lasse_> but i cant find away to remove it
[23:55] <lasse_> and get past the NOTICE OF LICENSE
[23:56] <lasse_> any idea ?


[00:44] <seicherlbob> hi there! I'm running a lucid server and i'm trying to install sun-java6 packages. I uncommented the "partners" repo line and run apt-get update, but still no sun-java packages are found. what am i doint wrong?
[01:23] <kklimonda> seicherlbob: oracle no longer grants distributions a license to redistribute "sun" java packages. You'll have to download it from their site
[01:23] <seicherlbob> thanks, i just read the "news"
[01:31] <twb> Or use an open alternative
[02:16] <inka> Hi, I wasn't sure what the best channel would be to ask this sort of question.
[02:17] <twb> !ask
[02:17] <inka> I'm currently investigating several different cloud-computing solutions
[02:18] <inka> I plan to develop a social mobile app that utilitizes Facebook for authentication
[02:19] <inka> I've been looking primarily between Amazon EC2, Google App Engine as solutions that would allow me to scale-out nicely
[02:20] <inka> I like that Google App Engine essentially scales automatically but I hear a lot of talk about being "Locked In" but I haven't really found too much that elaborates on this issue
[02:21] <inka> I saw some stackoverflow questions on this but much of them were dated back to 08-09 so I'm not sure how relevant they still are
[03:37] <jknight> Hi
[03:37] <jknight> I have a question
[03:37] <jknight> does anyone know why my cron job is not running if the user is not logged in?
[03:49] <qman___> jknight, do you have encrypted home directory enabled for that user?
[04:02] <jknight> yes I do
[04:02] <jknight> I think that's the reason why it's not working
[04:03] <jknight> but why is it behaving this way?
[05:12] <linocisco> hi
[05:16] <linocisco> hi all
[05:16] <linocisco> Zentyal has failover feature with 2 ISP links . It is ubuntu based. why ubuntu server could not do like that?
[05:26] <Q_Continuum> So.  Landscape.  I can't afford it for my home machines, but need that capability to keep using it.  Are there any Free self-hosted alternatives, or do I go over to CentOS for my Linux non-Desktop use?
[05:28] <twb> Q_Continuum: landscape server side is not free software, and there is no compatible alternative.
[05:28] <twb> Q_Continuum: if you replace both server and client side, you could deploy puppet or chef or cfengine
[05:28] <twb> Q_Continuum: IMO these have enough grief that they aren't worth considering unless you have at least ten hosts on a LAN.
[05:31] <Q_Continuum> So Canonical/Ubuntu has no alternative for those unwilling to fork out $100-$300/seat, or for those wanting to learn the system :-/  I would've hoped they'd come up with an alternative to putting Enterprise features out of reach of everyone, something they promised NOT to ever do.
[05:31] <Q_Continuum> Guess I'll switch, since I heard puppet is a PITA to learn - but once you know it it rocks.  Only recently heard of chef, haven't looked at it, and no idea on cfengine.
[05:33] <Q_Continuum> Presently I have 2 Ubuntu Server VMs, but will be adding more.  Personal home server, for various tasks and learning more stuff.  Wanted to play with enterprise-level capabilities, like I can with Windows via AD, but guess I don't get to, unless I have 5+ and want a 60-day trial that then ends :-(
[05:34] <Q_Continuum> CentOS it is, I guess.
[05:36] <twb> AFAICT chef has basically all the same faults as puppet
[05:37] <Q_Continuum> Figures.
[05:39] <andol> Q_Continuum: While Puppet sure has its limitation I wouldn't call it as PITA to learn. At least basic usage of Puppet, which still can be a big gain, is fairly trivial.
[05:40] <Q_Continuum> I like the concept of a web-interface though.  Easy to do from anywhere, without needing a terminal
[05:43] <andol> twb: By the way, I am happy running (a masterless) Puppet just for my personal computers, which are well below ten.
[05:43] <Q_Continuum> I run Windows mostly, but Linux for a few things (Minecraft server, irc shell, webserver stuffs)
[05:44] <Q_Continuum> but am looking to expand, hence the want for some easy managability
[05:45] <twb> andol: I was unimpressed in particular by puppet because 1) the wire protocol isn't versioned, and the devs expect you to install the latest bleeding-edge version on all your hosts; 2) it requires ruby on the client side as well as the master; and 3) anything remotely complicated often ends up being done by poorly-tested Exec grep/sed lines, which IMO is no better than if you weren't using puppet in the first place.
[05:46] <twb> e.g. for (3) I ran into it in about ten minutes when I wanted to manage sysctl.conf
[05:47] <twb> And writing a parser for that, which should've been straightforward, was inhibited by my inexperience with Ruby and partly by there it not being having to first write puppet rules to distribute the new parser to all the puppet clients.
[05:47] <twb> Bottom line is that the puppet people felt like fly-by-night cowboys rather than professionals
[05:48] <koolhead17> twb: what would you suggest other than puppet then :)
[05:48] <Q_Continuum> Yeah, I want stuff that is more polished and easy-to-use than that.
[05:48] <andol> twb: Yepp, agree Puppet isn't the magical bullet, and it does have plenty of limitations. Still for me the gain for what I am using it is still a net gain.
[05:48] <twb> Oh, I forgot to mention that the puppet file syntax is obtuse and unhelpful and silly
[05:49] <twb> koolhead17: unfortunately there is no real competition except cfengine (which is differently bad) and chef, which AFAICT is not really any better
[05:49] <koolhead17> andol: use bash :)
[05:49] <RoyK> twb: I attended puppet training a few months back, and that helped a lot ;)
[05:50] <twb> What I am actually doing in practice right now is to create a template container from a script, and then derive specific containers by copying the template and applying a second container-specific script.
[05:50] <koolhead17> twb: am still surviving on bash, but planning to learn puppet soon
[05:50] <twb> RoyK: I was working with Daniel Pittman, whom thingo Labs currently employs...
[05:50] <RoyK> koolhead17: bash really isn't a replacement for puppet :þ
[05:50] <koolhead17> is there no python based config management
[05:50] <twb> RoyK: I'm still having trouble with it.  Oh, also I read the whole Apress book
[05:50] <twb> koolhead17: AFAIK no
[05:51] <koolhead17> RoyK: :(
[05:51] <twb> IMO "not really any better" applies for python->ruby too
[05:51]  * RoyK prepares to go to work and not sitting around on irc all day
[05:51] <RoyK> s/day/morning/
[05:51] <koolhead17> twb: i wonder setting up a puppet server/config will be  a pain in itself
[05:52] <twb> I would be a LOT more confident about puppet if it had a plain C client side (so it can fit on embedded hosts), and it had a purely declarative SANE file syntax, and a versioned wire protocol that was clearly documented.
[05:53] <twb> I also seem to recall puppet's use of TLS was mainly self-signed certs, to avoid having to bootstrap the cert trust chain before you could run puppet
[05:53] <twb> koolhead17: you can get up a trivial instance pretty quickly
[05:53] <twb> koolhead17: being fancy takes more time
[05:55] <koolhead17> i just hope learning puppet won`t turn into a new expedition 4 me :)
[05:55] <andol> twb: Of those things you listed, I would probably rank versioned wire protocol the highest.
[05:55] <twb> andol: 100% agree
[05:55] <twb> koolhead17: IMO do it later
[05:56] <koolhead17> twb: but i have to play with it :P
[06:00] <andol> twb: And as a side note, for recention version of Debian/Ubuntu I would rather put my own changes under /etc/sysctl.d/ rather than modify /etc/sysctl.conf. Not that the initial assumption necessarily applies to your case.
[06:01] <koolhead17> twb: so the who schema/way of writing changes every version of puppet?
[06:02] <andol> koolhead17: It doesn't have to change, it is more that it can change.
[06:03] <twb> andol: that is a good point; this was for an older system (8.04 IIRC)
[06:03] <andol> koolhead17: You might very well be able to run separate Puppet versions along side each other, as long as you verify that being the case, that your recipies works for both versions, etc.
[06:04] <koolhead17> andol: that is confusing :(
[06:13] <andol> koolhead17: It is an imperfect world :)
[07:06] <koolhead17> andol: :P
[09:05] <randomDude> hey so i have this ubuntu server, and postgress seems to be borked... : $ sudo service postgresql restart; Error: /var/lib/postgresql/9.1/main is not accessible or does not exist
[09:05] <randomDude> 11.10
[09:05] <randomDude> i can't sudo apt-get install postgres --reinstall either
[10:00] <lynxman> morning o/
[11:48] <M0nt7> where is the rsync.conf file in ubuntu?
[11:48] <M0nt7> anybody on this channel?
[11:52] <andol> M0nt7: rsyncd will read /etc/rsyncd.conf by default, but you will have to create that file yourself.
[11:52] <andol> M0nt7: See also /usr/share/doc/rsync/examples/rsyncd.conf
[11:53] <M0nt7> andol:  what would be a basi configuration for rsyncd.conf?
[11:54] <andol> M0nt7: Well, base or not, you will still have to provide explit shares. The rsyncd.conf(5) does provide some good examples for different situations.
[11:55] <M0nt7> andol:  ryncd.conf (5) is the man page right?
[11:56] <andol> yepp, search for EXAMPLES
[11:56] <M0nt7> andol: I get no manual entry rsyncd.conf
[11:57] <andol> ...and you have the rsync packages installed?
[11:58] <M0nt7> andol: yes indeed
[11:59] <andol> odd
[12:20] <Amin0v> hello all
[12:20] <Amin0v> how can I create a repository in my svn server and then ask client to checkout from a subdirectory in this repository
[12:20] <Amin0v> let's say the repository is in /home/user
[12:20] <Amin0v> and that people must check from /home/user/web
[12:21] <Amin0v>  /s/check/checkout
[12:33] <jMCg> wi Leseb
[12:34] <Leseb> jMCg: ?
[12:36] <jMCg> Leseb: missed the /
[12:38] <Leseb> jMCg: what do you mean?
[12:39] <jMCg> Leseb: /wi Leseb --> /whois Leseb
[12:40] <Leseb> Oh ok, and why do you whois me?^^
[12:57] <dnivra> hello. i just installed ubuntu-server 11.10 and installed selinux. After installation, I reboot and get "grub rescue>". what could I do to get grub back?
[12:58] <dnivra> i booted a live cd and selected "Reinstall grub boot loader" in rescue mode and tried installing grub to all partitions but no luck.
[13:22] <memoryleak> I've installed ubuntu server in a vm using paralells - but I can't mount CDROM drive. How I can list cdrom devices ?
[13:31] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #941905 in keystone (universe) "keystone user should not have a primary group of nogroup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/941905
[13:32] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #931893 in swift (main) "swift service scripts will not start unless /etc/swift/*-server/* exists" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/931893
[13:38] <zul> good morning
[13:39] <rbasak> Daviey: what are the different mechanisms for chain loading on Intel? pxelinux.cfg localboot, what's the other chain loader you mentioned? And kexec of course. Anything else?
[13:39] <rbasak> hey zul
[13:39] <zul> ipxe
[13:43] <Daviey> rbasak: chain.c32
[13:43] <rbasak> Thanks!
[13:43] <Daviey> ^^ post reliable and recommended soltuion on traditional arch
[13:43] <uvirtbot`> Daviey: Error: "^" is not a valid command.
[13:51] <roaksoax> morning
[13:54] <smb> Daviey, Using do-release-upgrade is the preferred way to run an upgrade on server? If so, is there some preferred (and preferably simple) way to make it non-interactive. The wild world wisdom has some scary looking suggestions (including expect scripts)...
[14:04] <Daviey> smb: expect scripts?!
[14:04] <Daviey> crikey.
[14:05] <Daviey> smb: I don't think i'd recommend doing it completely hands off tbh.
[14:07] <smb> Daviey, Not sure any admin having to do a number higher that a few will agree. :) Hence those "work-arounds". Also it would be nice to have for an automated test. ;)
[14:08] <Daviey> smb: yeah.. there ARE automated tests.. i suspect they just sed -i 's/oneiric/precise/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:09] <smb> Daviey, Right, and with that you can have some control over frontend and dpkg options when running apt-get dist-upgrade.
[14:10] <smb> Just thought about having the propagated way doing the same. But it does not offer much options (not even the frontend choices are really explained).
[14:11] <Daviey> smb: Yeah.. Sorry, not much assistance i can offer with that... Perhaps we need to discuss it at UDS. :)
[14:12] <smb> Daviey, We surely can and should. For precise it will be too late now anyway. So I guess people will go with dist-upgrade or expect scripts. ;)
[14:14] <Daviey> smb: sad. :(
[14:16] <Jeeves_> plz click affects me: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/939300
[14:16] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 939300 in ubuntu "precise 12.04: consider adding Apache 2.4 ?" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[14:51] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #941955 in cloud-init (main) "util.islxc() method is broken without is-lxc-container" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/941955
[15:01] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #941968 in lxc (universe) "lockfile-create hangs inside lxc containers" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/941968
[15:11] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #941983 in freeradius (main) "freeradius refuses to run on Ubuntu 11.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/941983
[15:36] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #941993 in php5 (main) "package libapache2-mod-php5 5.3.10-1ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/941993
[15:43] <Amin0v> when I do an svn list like in this example :  http://pastebin.com/8Er4DNaT
[15:43] <Amin0v>  I find my commited files
[15:43] <Amin0v> when I ckeck the svn project I don't find this files
[16:31] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #942061 in cloud-init (main) "need support for maas" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942061
[16:57] <zul> smoser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/859404/ and the output http://paste.ubuntu.com/859407/
[17:00] <smoser> hm..
[17:00] <smoser> do you need the console=ttyS0 ?
[17:04] <mdeslaur> SpamapS: FYI, I've uploaded my preliminary mysql updates here: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security-proposed/+archive/ppa/+packages
[17:06] <SpamapS> mdeslaur: great. Will poke a few people to test
[17:07] <mdeslaur> SpamapS: awesome, thanks
[17:16] <zul> smoser: yes otherwise it wont work
[17:16] <smoser> zul, what does it do wht that ?
[17:16] <smoser> ah...
[17:16] <zul> smoser: i need to clean that patch up but it works
[17:16] <smoser> ah, yeah, plymouth and upstart do some stuff baed on that on the kernel command line
[17:17] <smoser> but... strange
[17:17] <smoser> wait.
[17:17] <smoser> i dont beleive you
[17:17] <zul> smoser: fine try out the patch for yourself then
[17:17] <smoser> the only place upstart would go looking for 'console=' parame would be in kernel cmdline
[17:17] <smoser> i would  not hav thought it would look on its own command line
[17:18] <zul> smoser: right but libvirt-lxc starts without cmdline
[17:19] <smoser> zul, i'm confused.
[17:19] <smoser> libvirt-lxc starts init without parameters
[17:19] <zul> right
[17:19] <smoser> but you added some parameter "console=ttyS0"
[17:19] <zul> right
[17:19] <smoser> which i can only assume means that its going to append that to /sbin/init
[17:19] <smoser> which i dont think will do anything
[17:20] <zul> http://libvirt.org/drvlxc.html
[17:21] <zul> smoser: and from my log file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/859436/
[17:23] <smoser> zul, so you're asserting that upstart reads that
[17:23] <zul> smoser: it *does* work provided you have the console fix as well: http://libvirt.org/git/?p=libvirt.git;a=commit;h=9130396214975ba2251082f943c9717281039050
[17:23] <zul> smoser: yes
[17:25] <zul> smoser: i have 5 instances running all with a working euca-get-console-output
[17:25] <smoser> hallyn, ^ stgraber ^ is that true
[17:25] <smoser> $ grep -r "LXC_COMMANDLINE" . || echo NOT HERE
[17:25] <smoser> NOT HERE
[17:26] <smoser> oh. and that is in a checkout of lp:ubuntu/upstart
[17:27] <zul> smoser: LIBVIRT_LXC_CMDLINE is a libvirt thing
[17:27] <hallyn> is what true
[17:27] <smoser> yes, but upstart is an upstart thing
[17:27] <smoser> and upstart is what determines where console output goes
[17:28] <smoser> (other than kernel messages)
[17:28] <smoser> zul, i'm asserting that your "console=ttyS0" is doing nothing but causing confusion.
[17:28] <hallyn> pretty sure upstart listens to console= kernel cmdline
[17:28] <smoser> yes
[17:29] <smoser> the kernel command line it does, hallyn (or rather at least reads it and it and plymouth decided on some stuff together based on it)
[17:29] <smoser> but zul is suggesting that his patch at http://paste.ubuntu.com/859404/
[17:29] <hallyn> dude i'm just trying to get reboot to work in $*)(&%$* libvirt-lxc...
[17:29] <smoser> needs the "cmdline" tag
[17:29] <smoser> s/tag/hunk/
[17:29] <smoser> but i dont understand how that would do anything
[17:29] <cwillu_at_work> not to jump in the middle of anything, but console= is interpreted by the kernel as well
[17:29] <smoser> eys
[17:29] <smoser> cwillu_at_work, right.
[17:29] <hallyn> lxc doesn't run a kernel though :)
[17:30] <smoser> i'm just trying to figure out why adding 'cmdline' in that patch there would do anyting.
[17:30] <cwillu_at_work> ah, I see
[17:31] <hallyn> which patch
[17:31]  * cwillu_at_work decides to remain happily oblivious
[17:31] <jhobbs>  /wg 9
[17:32] <zul> hallyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/859404/
[17:34] <zul> smoser: its all doug henningish
[17:49] <zul> smoser: any more comments?
[17:52] <zul> hallyn: i have a libvirt-lxc patch for you after beta
[17:53] <kirkland> smoser: hey, are you experiencing any unexpectedly high load in precise/byobu?  I just upgraded on Friday, and load seems way high
[17:54] <kirkland> but I also started trying unity 3d for the first time in ~3 months, so that's probably it
[17:55] <hallyn> zul: ok.  feel free to stash it in ubuntu:libvirt (preserving my delta), else i'll do it.
[17:55] <zul> hallyn: ack
[17:55] <hallyn> i just can't get reboot to work.  only thing i can figure is sigchld must be killing the parent before i get a chance to catch it
[18:14] <fixxxermet> I'm using Oneiric and I am trying to determine if the orchestra package, which requires puppet, has any type of built-in integration
[18:15] <fixxxermet> Does anyone know if there is any type of integration, or can they point me to any docs?
[18:29] <sidnei> hallyn, hola, looks like lxc-create -t ubuntu -- -b <username> doesn't work anymore if <username> has uid/gid 1000, the ubuntu user created in the lxc has the same uid/gid
[18:30] <hallyn> sidnei: gosh, good point.  could you open a bug on that?
[18:30] <sidnei> hallyn, oki
[18:31] <hallyn> stgraber: ^ i will make lxc not create the ubuntu user if -b is specified, and add the bound user to sudo/admin group instead.
[18:31] <hallyn> stgraber: ^ lemme know if there's a reason that's a bad idea
[18:31] <hallyn> jsidney: thanks
[18:31] <hallyn> gah
[18:31] <hallyn> sidnei: thanks
[18:31] <sidnei> hallyn, np
[18:33] <stgraber> hallyn: sounds good
[18:36] <sidnei> bug #942144
[18:36] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 942144 in lxc "Using bindhome option of ubuntu template conflicts with ubuntu user" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942144
[18:36] <sidnei> hallyn, ^^
[18:36] <hallyn> thanks, sidnei.  Note we're in a freeze, so mar 3 is when the fix can go in for this (iirc)
[18:37] <sidnei> hallyn, ok.
[18:45] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #942144 in lxc (universe) "Using bindhome option of ubuntu template conflicts with ubuntu user" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942144
[19:03] <smoser> hallyn, ping
[19:06] <zul> smoser: interesting http://paste.ubuntu.com/859574/
[19:08] <hex20dec> Best free webmail client for my server?
[19:09] <Pici> hex20dec: I've heard some good things about squirrelmail
[19:09] <hex20dec> Pici, I've used it a while back.
[19:09] <hex20dec> I hate it.
[19:09] <hex20dec> No offense.
[19:09] <smoser> whats interesting there zul?
[19:10] <Pici> hex20dec: none taken. I don't use it myself.
[19:10] <zul> smoser: it stripped out the "\" which i expected
[19:10] <Myrtti> hex20dec: some places where I've used webmail in have usually had both squirrel and later on roundcube
[19:11] <hex20dec> Myrtti, Yeah, I used them both on my old shared hosting.
[19:11] <smoser> zul,  your shell stripped out the '\' i suppose
[19:12] <zul> smoser: perhaps
[19:12] <smoser> $ cat /tmp/my.sh
[19:12] <smoser> #!/bin/sh
[19:12] <smoser> for a in "$@"; do printf "%s\n" "$a"; done
[19:12] <smoser> $ /tmp/my.sh foo \xasdf
[19:12] <smoser> foo
[19:12] <smoser> xasdf
[19:13] <hex20dec> What do you guys use for mail client?
[19:15] <Pici> gmail <.<
[19:18] <hex20dec> Pici, you forward all your emails to Gmail?
[19:18] <hallyn> smoser: .
[19:19] <Pici> hex20dec: Actually, yes. But you could always use Google apps for domains, although I don't think its complete free (as in beer) anymore.
[19:21] <smoser> hallyn, https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/941955
[19:21] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 941955 in cloud-init "util.islxc() method is broken without is-lxc-container" [Medium,Triaged]
[19:22] <smoser> http://paste.ubuntu.com/859594/ is what my /proc/1/cgroup looks like
[19:22] <smoser> given that there are 8 things in which i might be in the root group of, which should i look at for this
[19:23] <jjohansen> hallyn: ping
[19:23] <hallyn> stgraber: ^ did you change the lxc-is-container logic at all?  (i'm fetching the pkg)
[19:25] <stgraber> hallyn: lxc-is-container no longer exists
[19:25] <hallyn> smoser: i can't find any code that gives a rip about /proc/1/cgroup involved
[19:25] <stgraber> hallyn: you need running-in-container
[19:25] <hallyn> stgraber: yes, smoser says that still doesn't work
[19:25] <stgraber> hallyn: which uses the container-detect upstart job
[19:25] <hallyn> jjohansen: (i'm here :)
[19:26] <smoser> stgraber, cloud-init code that you tol dme to write looks at that.
[19:26] <smoser> hold on
[19:26] <smoser> for link
[19:27] <jjohansen> hallyn: okay, so apparmor clear FFe on friday, /me doesn't know when that means it will show up.  But I don't expect the kernel will have the patches in beta1, they hadn't been pulled in last I checked
[19:27] <jjohansen> s/clear/cleared/
[19:28] <jjohansen> hallyn: /me still has built kernels with the patches if you want
[19:29] <hallyn> jjohansen: yes, i certainly hope i'l lhave time to experiment with the moutn rules before bet1 is released, so test kernels woudl be great, thanks
[19:30] <smoser> hallyn, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/cloud-init/trunk/view/head:/cloudinit/util.py
[19:30] <jjohansen> hallyn: http://people.canonical.com/~jj/linux-image-3.2.0-17-generic_3.2.0-17.26~aamount_amd64.deb
[19:30] <smoser> see islxc there.
[19:31] <hallyn> smoser: why not ditch taht first part?
[19:31] <hallyn> the running-in-container is now (i *think*) intended to be a definitive test
[19:32] <stgraber> smoser: right, call running-in-container, if return value is 0 you're in a container (it's also going to tell you want kind of container on stdout)
[19:32] <stgraber> smoser: that's assumin this python script is running after upstart is started though
[19:32] <hallyn> else yes, you'd have to do the equiv of 'head -1 /proc/1/cgroup | awk -F: '{ print $3}'' - as several lxc tools had to do
[19:33] <stgraber> (running-in-container depends on /run/container_type that's generated by the container-check upstart job (start on starting and mounted MOUNTPOINT=/run)
[19:33] <stgraber> )
[19:33] <hallyn> stgraber: i wonder if lxc should ship a symlink from is-lxc-contaienr to running_in_container, since is_lxc-container was shipped in lxcguest
[19:34] <stgraber> hallyn: having it ship in lxc wouldn't really solve the problem as we don't install lxc where we used to have lxcguest
[19:34] <hallyn> stgraber: true
[19:34] <stgraber> hallyn: and we should be able to catch and fix all cases by looking at lxcguest's rdepends (which AFAIK we did)
[19:35] <hallyn> jjohansen: wget'ed that kernel.  if this laptop should die, i may end up having to ask you wehre it is again :)
[19:36] <jjohansen> hallyn: np, just ping me if you need anything, /me should be around most of the day (just have to run an errand at lunch)
[19:38] <smoser> stgraber, well, i was calling lxc-is-container before, and i really tihnk that you should fix that to be backwards compatibile
[19:39] <smoser> i will change to (also) use running-in-container, but i need a path that works wen that command is not available also.
[19:39] <stgraber> smoser: that command is part of upstart, so it should always be there
[19:39] <stgraber> smoser: and it's in /bin so even with a separate /usr it's going to be available
[19:40] <smoser> stgraber, yes, it will always be there on ubuntu >= 12.04
[19:40] <smoser> but thats not good enough
[19:40] <hallyn> jjohansen: libvirt is bogging me down today (i blame smoser), so i won't be bugging you today.  thanks again.  ttyl
[19:41] <stgraber> smoser: hmm, ok, then check for either is-lxc-container or running-in-container or copy/paste the logic from container-detect.conf
[19:44] <smoser> stgraber, well, copy and paste that wont work all the way
[19:44] <smoser> as cloud-init is not init and is not privey to init's environment variable
[19:44] <smoser> regarding LIBVIRT_LXC_UUID
[19:44] <smoser> but i will use similar logic to that
[19:44] <stgraber> smoser: you can grep /proc/1/environ though
[19:45] <smoser> yeah. i guess i could do that.
[19:45] <stgraber> or source init's environment but that's kind of ugly ;)
[20:07] <pythonirc101> Any ideas how to  boot into single user mode on this ubuntu box.  There does not seem like a kernel line in my grub 1.99 "edit" view.
[20:16] <arosales> jcastro: m_3: Travel safely  and kill it in Strata!
[20:16]  * jcastro isn't going to strata
[20:16] <jcastro> but mims is!
[20:18] <arosales> jcastro: Sorry, https://juju.ubuntu.com/Events had you listed
[20:18]  * jcastro fixes
[20:21] <arosales> jcastro: thanks :-)
[21:25] <wonderman> can someone help me diagnose server freezing please
[21:26] <wonderman> i can reboot it remotely from my control panel with hosting provider
[21:26] <wonderman> it stays up for 5 min then goes down
[21:26] <guntbert> wonderman: what do the logs say?
[21:26] <wonderman> i cant get in to see
[21:26] <wonderman> in the 5 min i had, i checked syslog
[21:26] <wonderman> and messages
[21:26] <wonderman> only a few relating to NTPD
[21:27] <guntbert> wonderman: logs survive a reboot
[21:27] <wonderman> also this <>  Feb 27 15:00:29 server1 kernel: [   36.173580] possible SYN flooding on port 80. Sending cookies.
[21:27] <wonderman> yes i know, but i got 5 min before maybe it happens again!
[21:27] <wonderman> i will stop apache etc
[21:27] <wonderman> as soon as it connects
[21:28] <wonderman> ok im back in, how can i find mate?
[21:28] <wonderman> i did 'cat /var/log/syslog | less'
[21:28] <guntbert> wonderman: good, although less /var/log/syslog is better
[21:28] <wonderman> ok, dates arent in order?
[21:29] <wonderman> let me try your way
[21:29] <guntbert> wonderman: and tailf /var/log/syslog will keep you informed until it crashes
[21:29] <wonderman> yea i did that, but only had one window and changed !
[21:29] <wonderman> lemme grab another open
[21:30] <wonderman> Feb 27 15:30:28 server1 named[1181]: client <IP_ADDRESS>#64938: query (cache) 'ns1.serv1mail.com/AAAA/IN' denied
[21:30] <wonderman> dropping that
[21:32] <wonderman> guntbert: why would syslog msgs not be in the correct order?
[21:32] <wonderman> one minute its 11am, then 9pm, then 3pm
[21:32] <guntbert> wonderman: your time setting - do you use ntp?
[21:32] <wonderman> yes there are msgs relating to this
[21:33] <wonderman> i dont remember installing it if its not default
[21:33] <wonderman> maybe i did
[21:33] <wonderman> this is it crashing?
[21:33] <wonderman> Feb 27 15:21:59 server1 kernel: [ 1321.502878] Pid: 2604, comm: processes Not tainted 2.6.32-38-generic #83-Ubuntu
[21:33] <wonderman> Feb 27 15:21:59 server1 kernel: [ 1321.502881] Call Trace:
[21:33] <wonderman> shall i pastebin?
[21:33] <guntbert> wonderman: try
[21:34] <wonderman> try pastebin? sorry i am impatient, panicing a bit :P
[21:40] <guntbert> wonderman: sorry, didn't want to upset you still more - I wanted to say: give it a try, maybe someone spots something
[21:47] <adam_g> lifeless: ping
[21:52] <wonderman> erm
[21:52] <wonderman> !
[21:53] <wonderman> guntbert: what was you saying about NTP?
[21:53] <wonderman> should/can i remove it?
[21:55] <guntbert> wonderman: no, it should be enabled, or else the system time would certainly drift away, but those big steps are weird, can you pastebin the syslog? use !pastebinit
[21:55] <guntbert> !pastebinit | wonderman
[21:55] <wonderman> ok thanks man, sec
[21:55] <wonderman> its yet to crash, with apache off
[21:56] <lifeless> adam_g: hi
[21:57] <wonderman> guntbert: how can i copy from 'less' ? or cant ?
[21:57] <wonderman> i cant scroll in terminal and copy at the same time
[21:58] <guntbert> wonderman: on the server:   apt-get install pastebinit       then      pastebinit  /var/log/syslog          it will tell you an URL
[21:58] <wonderman> ok sorry
[21:59] <adam_g> lifeless: hey, i was looking at Bug #924739, trying to come solution. wondering if you had any input, in terms of the features that are not yet ported to squid3
[21:59] <uvirtbot`> Launchpad bug 924739 in squid3 "after upgrade from oneiric to precise, previous squid config unused, cannot be used when relocated" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/924739
[22:00] <guntbert> and wonderman: please use my nick when talking to me - else I might overlook your response :)
[22:00] <wonderman> guntbert:  http://pastebin.com/686SyAzn
[22:00] <wonderman> i had already started
[22:01] <wonderman> guntbert: i copied a section to where i think it 'crashed' just before i rebooted which you can see from the paste too, and the time is totally different... the reboot time is UTC
[22:03] <guntbert> wonderman: look at line 106: out of memory kills apache - some process hogs your memory and then the kernel decides to kill one (big) process
[22:03] <wonderman> sedc
[22:04] <wonderman> wtf
[22:04] <wonderman> it swapped?
[22:05] <wonderman> hmm
[22:05] <wonderman> so this is a RAM causing the crash?
[22:06] <wonderman> let me start apache again, and take a look
[22:06] <guntbert> wonderman: no, the system has definitely not enough memory (probably some process eating it up) - please read up on OOM  - its the first one I have seen yet
[22:06] <wonderman> OOM?
[22:06] <wonderman> i have apache max clients set to 1024, but its been fine for many many days
[22:06] <wonderman> i think maybe its 'awstats'
[22:07] <wonderman> as there is a CRON running quite close to the crash?
[22:07] <wonderman> i will start apache and monitor it quickly?
[22:09] <guntbert> wonderman: OOM=out of memory
[22:09] <wonderman> i am tailing syslog, and its trying to run a load of crons
[22:09] <wonderman> because it cannot run them, it keeps trying
[22:10] <wonderman> how can i stop this? because upon reboot it will try to run all crons at once...
[22:10] <wonderman> think thats why its crashing
[22:10] <wonderman> upon reboot, i cant see it using up 4GB of RAM in 5minutes
[22:12] <guntbert> wonderman: I don't think so - the RAM usage goes quickly up to nearly 100% - thats ok, please search for    linuxatemyram  - a very instructive article
[22:12] <wonderman> i will monitor it, as it hasnt happened for days, i dont know why it would be now
[22:13] <wonderman> ill see what happens when i turn apache on
[22:13] <wonderman> as atm its fine...
[22:14] <guntbert> wonderman: Good luck :-) I'm off to bed
[22:14] <wonderman> ok pal thanks
[22:32] <randomDude> I need some advice on how to purge a broken postgres install : http://dpaste.com/708653/
[22:35] <SpamapS> randomDude: interesting, can you try editing /var/lib/dpkg/info/postgresql-9.1.prerm and add '-x' to the #!/bin/sh line at the top? Then re-run.. it will give details as to what failed
[22:36] <randomDude> SpamapS, as a caveat, /var/lib/postgres-9.1/main doesn't actually exist.
[22:37] <SpamapS> randomDude: that shouldn't preclude you from being able to remove.
[22:37] <randomDude> SpamapS, http://dpaste.com/708655/
[22:38] <randomDude> http://dpaste.com/708656/
[22:38] <randomDude> gah
[22:38] <randomDude> http://dpaste.com/708657/
[22:38] <wonderman> can anyone tell me why syslogs have different 'timestamps', ie they are not in order
[22:38] <randomDude> uh ok, it's not pasting everything
[22:39] <SpamapS> randomDude: consider using pastebinit ;)
[22:39] <SpamapS> randomDude: sudo apt-get remove postgresql-9.1 2>&1 | pastebinit
[22:40] <randomDude> essentially it says : /var/lib/postgresql/9.1/main is not accessible or does not exist
[22:42] <SpamapS> randomDude: that sounds like a bit of a bug in the prerm or init script, as it shouldn't care about that.. but anyway, perhaps to make things simpler.. just 'sudo mkdir -p /var/lib/postgresql/9.1/main ?
[22:43] <randomDude> ok
[22:43] <randomDude> SpamapS, that may have fixed the issue
[22:44] <randomDude> SpamapS, thank you
[22:44] <SpamapS> randomDude: seems like its a worthwhile bug to report
[22:45] <randomDude> yeah, one would assume that since that highly essential directory is missing that the server process is not actually running
[22:47] <SpamapS> randomDude: I think the only bug is that it didn't explicitly tell you why it failed
[22:47] <SpamapS> randomDude: because of the removal of an essential directory, things were in an inconsistent state.. I don't think it should ignore that, but I do think it should tell you.
[23:06] <talntid> Gr.  I installed it, and it is looking for /etc/apache2/htdocs regardless of there being an entry in sites-enabled, pushing to /var/www
[23:17] <jMCg> talntid: you're doing it wrong, then.
[23:18] <jMCg> Well, jMCg that wasn't really helpful.
[23:18] <jMCg> talntid: can you please pastebin your apache2.conf - and your vhost, also: apache2ctl -S
[23:36] <talntid> jMCg, actually right now, I'm trying to purge the very existance of apache2, but it's fighting me.
[23:36] <talntid> apache2.2-common : Depends: apache2-utils but it is not going to be installed
[23:36] <talntid> E: Broken packages
[23:37] <jMCg> talntid: aptitude purge apache2.2-common apache2-utils etc..
[23:37] <jMCg> talntid: just get rid of the whole she-bang.
[23:38] <jMCg> talntid: also, sfritsch and daemonkeeper promised me the 2.4 version of httpd will not suck stinky donkey balls in hell.
[23:38] <jMCg> 00:44:25 <+fajita> Please read http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/DebianDeb0rkification
[23:39] <jMCg> talntid: ^ a wiki page we have over at #httpd  for people comming with Debuntu specific problems.
[23:39] <jMCg> most of this is already fixed.
[23:39] <jMCg> I think.
[23:39] <talntid> my issue is more...
[23:40] <talntid> http://pastebin.com/gqDqMGbU
[23:40] <hallyn> stgraber: do you think we should hack lxc-start to, for every contaienr that is running, keep a file open called '$rootfs.lock' (so long as [ ! -b $rootfs])?
[23:40] <hallyn> stgraber: to keep the container from remounting the fs readonly on shutdown
[23:41] <hallyn> bc there won't be a kernel fix for that, at least for precise (maybe ever)
[23:44] <stgraber> hallyn: yeah, I guess we don't really have a choice
[23:44] <hallyn> i guess i'll open a bug for it.  thx
[23:54] <talntid> I took the Windows way out, since I wasn't very invested in the install.
[23:54] <talntid> all who wish to throw rocks, go ahead.
[23:55] <wonderman> qman___: can i holla?
[23:56] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #942325 in lxc (universe) "keep container from marking shared rootfs readonly on shutdown" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942325