[00:09] <gsilvapt> Not really, clivejo. I'm always asking for your guidance :)
[00:09] <gsilvapt> And still can't figure out most of the stuff I want to do :)
[00:10] <valorie> better than not asking advice, and giving up in frustration
[00:10] <valorie> we're a team, here to help one another out
[00:11] <valorie> oh gosh, I should go make dinner
[00:11] <gsilvapt> Yes, but even still. I'm getting my feet in, I have so much to learn and do before actually do a good job :P
[00:13] <gsilvapt> Also, I have a virtual machine that I can access by ssh that was given to me recently and I have no usages for it. Any suggestion for the kde community?
[00:14] <gsilvapt> I can host stuff or do something else but I'm not entirely sure what are priorities and what are the priorities
[00:14] <gsilvapt> just one priority at a time... :P
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[01:01] <mparillo_> tsimonq2: Thanks for asking for the Alpha ISOs in the -release channel.
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[01:43] <mparillo_> When our first Alpha 1 candidates appear, they will be here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds
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[03:56] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: what was that wayland package
[03:56] <ahoneybun> ?
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[05:55] <valorie> !testers
[05:55] <valorie> wooop wooop, Alpha 1 is published: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds
[05:55] <tsimonq2> valorie: ML as well? :) :)
[05:56] <valorie> naturally!
[05:56] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: 'that' wayland package???
[06:02] <valorie> anybody wanna check over the news story?
[06:02] <valorie> just published it, but it can be edited of course
[06:07] <tsimonq2> valorie: I would edit the call for testing to look less like the actual announcement
[06:07] <tsimonq2> valorie: It's a preliminary call for testing, not the actual release ;)
[06:09] <valorie> which one, tsimonq2?
[06:10] <valorie> oh, I can take out happy to announce
[06:10] <valorie> but we're happy to announce it@
[06:10] <tsimonq2> valorie: http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-artful-aardvark-17-10-alpha-1/
[06:11] <valorie> done
[06:11] <tsimonq2> valorie: Bueno
[06:11] <valorie> mucho bueno!
[06:11] <tsimonq2> Well
[06:11] <tsimonq2> Actually
[06:11] <tsimonq2> :P
[06:12] <tsimonq2> "This is Alpha 1 Release. Kubuntu Alpha Releases are NOT recommended for:"
[06:12] <tsimonq2> This is not Alpha 1 release.
[06:12] <tsimonq2> :P
[06:13] <tsimonq2> valorie: As long as you make the indication that it's a call for testing, it'll be cool
[06:13] <valorie> ok
[06:13] <valorie> picky picky
[06:14] <tsimonq2> valorie: The thing is, amigo, I'm not the only picky person out there.
[06:14] <valorie> fix00red
[06:14] <tsimonq2> There's a certain news site that likes to pick up on these sort of things, and I'm not talking about Softpedia... :|
[06:15] <valorie> gotta give him something to snark about, right?
[06:15] <tsimonq2> ofc, what else is he going to write about?
[06:15] <valorie> is school out for ya?
[06:15] <tsimonq2> Been out since the 9th!
[06:17] <valorie> our kids have another week
[06:20] <tsimonq2> valorie: Alpha 1 is a pre-release
[06:21] <tsimonq2> valorie: So sedding that didn't work :P
[06:33] <valorie> I missed one?
[06:33] <valorie> damn it
[06:34] <valorie> I didn't
[06:34] <valorie> release notes are release notes
[06:35] <valorie> also I don't know how to sed
[06:36] <tsimonq2> valorie: Sedding meaning just swapping out words.
[06:36] <tsimonq2> valorie: Apologies if I sound blunt as I'll be going to bed shortly, but the announcement should probably be revised a bit
[06:36] <valorie> I know what it means
[06:37] <valorie> and I've used it when someone I trust gives me a "recipe"
[06:37] <valorie> tell me and I'll do it
[06:38] <tsimonq2> What I'd do, personally:
[06:38] <tsimonq2> Change "Artful Aardvark (17.10) Alpha 1 images are now available for testers." to "Artful Aardvark (17.10) Alpha 1 images are now available for testing so we can release on Thursday."
[06:38] <tsimonq2> Remove "With this Alpha 1 pre-release, you can see what we have in store for our next version, 17.10."
[06:39] <tsimonq2> (save it for the official rel. ann)
[06:39] <valorie> I see what you are saying
[06:39] <tsimonq2> Same with "The Kubuntu team will be releasing 17.10 in October."
[06:39] <tsimonq2> Remove "NOTE:"
[06:39] <valorie> sorry, I've had so many deadlines that I thought this was it
[06:39] <tsimonq2> valorie: It's totally fine :)
[06:39] <tsimonq2> valorie: I mean if you catch my drift here, go forth and do :)
[06:40] <valorie> am doing
[06:40] <tsimonq2> valorie: Releases are always on Thursday+, initially on QA tracker/archive freeze/needs testing Sunday-Wednesday
[06:40] <valorie> right
[06:40] <valorie> part of me knows that this is Tues night
[06:41] <valorie> the rest of me is worried about mentors getting their evals done on time
[06:41] <valorie> on Thur
[06:41] <valorie> that's why I prepped for this last week
[06:41]  * acheronuk ponders on pushing 5.10.3 to backports
[06:44] <valorie> for fer it
[06:44] <valorie> I've been running it most of the day with no problems
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[09:33] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[10:14] <mparillo_> Howdy BluesKaj. Alpha 1 RC 1 is up: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/378/builds
[10:15] <mparillo_> Live image is working for me in a VM. On the slide show it has Alt F1 for krunner. I use Alt F1 for the kicker, and Alt F2 for krunner. I assume that is standard?
[10:20] <mparillo_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+bug/1700951
[10:28] <BluesKaj> mparillo_,ok, got it, zsyncing as we speak
[10:48] <gsilvapt> Hello
[10:48] <gsilvapt> Testing day, uh? :)
[10:50] <mparillo_> Yup. One thing I might ask you to check on a clean install. Launch Discover, leave it open for maybe 2 minutes, and see it is checking for updates in the lower right. Then close it with the window decoration. In my case, it says Not responding for a few seconds, and then it closes with a crash notification.
[10:52] <gsilvapt> Ok, I can try that. I think I have time to run all testcases, so when I get to that, I'll try do that
[10:58] <gsilvapt> These testcases and bugs we can report within a testcase are only related to the installation or also programs/software that is malfunctioning?
[11:00] <BluesKaj> mparillo_, it won't be a totally clean install, since i install to / and set the mountpoint for /home in the manual partitioning phase, so the config files for most apps will be saved from the previous install
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[11:07] <mparillo_> gsilvapt: My feeling is that if it relates in any way to our install or packaging, absolutely. If it is an upstream bug, I would file it there, and try to put a tracker to it on Launchpad.
[11:07] <gsilvapt> Yea, makes sense
[11:09] <mparillo_> And if it basically works, I tend to pass the test case, but record the launchpad bug number in the test case, but not as a critical one.
[11:43] <gsilvapt> Is it me or I suck at testing? I couldn't find anything relevant to post as bugs :|
[12:07] <clivejo> gsilvapt: usually have to dig deeper
[12:18] <gsilvapt> Well, in order to follow most of the scripts, I can't go deeper in all installations. I basically tried installing and running software to ensure it wasn't failing. Regarding specific package's bugs, I guess I need to spend more time inside each installation
 Please take down that bug about krunner on the slideshow as that slide is not on there anymore
[12:20] <gsilvapt> ahoneybun, what you mean?
[12:20] <clivejo> gsilvapt: did you get a chance to look at kgoldrunner?
 @acheronuk sorry gslivapt
[12:21] <gsilvapt> no, clivejo. As I said, I just installed and ran basic stuff (terminal, discover)
[12:21] <gsilvapt> its okay, ahoneybun :+1:
[12:21] <clivejo> gsilvapt: its a packaging task, not testing
[12:22] <gsilvapt> AH
[12:22] <gsilvapt> I can have a look, yea. I'll be having lunch in short but can try to have a look after lunch
[12:37] <BluesKaj> damn zsync failed, guess html will have to do
[12:40] <BluesKaj> too bad there aren't any torrents for alpha and beta releases, then  i could control the DL speed and not use up all the bandwidth while wife tries to play D&D online
[12:46] <ahoneybun> I see this is still there
[12:46] <ahoneybun> Errors were encountered while processing:
[12:46] <ahoneybun>  update-notifier-common
[12:49] <clivejo> ahoneybun: report it
[12:49] <ahoneybun> just did
[12:49] <clivejo> its a Ubuntu issue
[12:49] <ahoneybun> it's our package I think
[12:49] <clivejo> since when?
[12:49] <ahoneybun> idk
[12:50] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier
[12:50] <clivejo> its the unity updater icon (I think)
[12:51] <ahoneybun> in their dock?
[12:51] <ahoneybun> top panel I mean
[12:51] <clivejo> you must have Unity installed or it is left over from that
[12:51] <ahoneybun> I don't
[12:51] <ahoneybun> never did
[12:52] <ahoneybun> well flashplugin-installer was removed with it
[12:52] <clivejo> Reverse Depends:
[12:52] <clivejo>   update-notifier
[12:52] <clivejo>   flashplugin-installer
[12:52] <clivejo>   ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[12:52] <clivejo>   apt-config-auto-update
[12:52] <clivejo>   update-notifier-kde
[12:52] <clivejo>   reboot-notifier
[12:53] <clivejo>   apt-config-auto-update
[12:53] <clivejo>   update-notifier
[12:53] <clivejo>   byobu
[12:53] <clivejo>   ubuntu-server
[12:53] <ahoneybun> byobu nooooo
[12:53] <clivejo> update-notifier-kde
[12:57] <clivejo> not in our packageset
[12:57] <clivejo> You can not upload update-notifier to artful, yourself.
[12:57] <clivejo> so needs to go upstream
 I wasn't going to try
[12:58] <clivejo> well you mentioned it here a number of times :P
 not that I was going to try to upload
[12:58] <clivejo> I was just testing that a kubuntu-devel was able to upload
[12:59] <clivejo> we can't
[12:59] <clivejo> so ever if we did fix it, still would have to go upstream
[12:59] <clivejo> even
[12:59] <ahoneybun> just removed it
[14:09] <gsilvapt> clivejo, I see kgoldrunner is a matter of dependencies, I'll take care of it this afternoon
[14:11] <clivejo> yeah, its in the process of bing ported to KF5
[14:11] <clivejo> so the dep packages need to be updated
[14:11] <clivejo> the ECM requirement is a sign they have ported to KF5
[14:12] <gsilvapt> Yes, I've noticed this one :D
[14:14] <clivejo> grrr
[14:14] <clivejo> 75 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 0 not to upgrade.
[14:14] <clivejo> Need to get 640 MB of archives.
[14:14] <clivejo> thats my internet busy all afternoon
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[15:54] <gsilvapt> How does one configures phonon4qt5?
[15:54] <gsilvapt> I have this in the cmakelist: find_package(Phonon4Qt5 CONFIG REQUIRED)
[15:54] <gsilvapt> And that is causing some issues in the build
[15:55] <gsilvapt> build log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24973358/
[15:56] <gsilvapt> Line 4176 and onwards
[18:13] <BluesKaj> had a couple crashes, discover and system settings after installing Alpha, but none since installing the nvidia-340 driver and dkms
[18:14] <BluesKaj> installed dkms first then thenvidia driver
[18:28] <mparillo_> On Dolphin, I went to Control > Help > Dolphin Handbook, and I see: Revision Applications 16.04 (2016-06-01) even though Dolphin is at Version 16.12.3 for the AA Alpha 1. I assume this is an upstream problem?
[18:36] <ahoneybun> mparillo_: yea they don't always update their docs to the right version
[19:58] <mparillo_> Thanks. Let's see if I get any answers to https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=381770
[21:17] <gsilvapt> Any suggestions about he question I asked this evening?
[21:24] <tsimonq2> -- Found KF5: success (found suitable version "5.35.0", minimum required is "5.23.0") found components:  CoreAddons Config ConfigWidgets Crash DBusAddons DocTools I18n KIO XmlGui
[21:24] <tsimonq2> CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:23 (find_package):
[21:24] <tsimonq2>   Could not find a package configuration file provided by "Phonon4Qt5" with
[21:25] <tsimonq2>   any of the following names:
[21:25] <tsimonq2>     Phonon4Qt5Config.cmake
[21:25] <tsimonq2>     phonon4qt5-config.cmake
[21:25] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: ^
[21:25] <gsilvapt> Interpreting that part of the loo is actually my question.
 How does one configures phonon4qt5?
 I have this in the cmakelist: find_package(Phonon4Qt5 CONFIG REQUIRED)
 And that is causing some issues in the build
 build log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24973358/
 Line 4176 and onwards
[21:26] <gsilvapt> Line 4176 onwards is basically that part you show there.
[21:26] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: Ignore "find_package(Phonon4Qt5 CONFIG REQUIRED)" because that's just cmake finding the library
[21:26] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: It's trying to find the config file for it
[21:26] <gsilvapt> I was focused in CONFIG REQUIRED part though
[21:27] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: So yeah all you need to do is specify a build dep for Phonon4Qt5Config.cmake or phonon4qt5-config.cmake and you're golden
[21:27] <gsilvapt> Okay, thank you. That was my question. I wasn't sure if if was fixed with a package or an actual specific configuration somewhere in the debian folder.
[21:28] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: i.e. put libphonon4qt5-dev in the build dependencies
[21:28] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: Here's how I found that out: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=Phonon4Qt5Config.cmake&mode=exactfilename&suite=artful&arch=any
[21:31] <gsilvapt> Sure, I got you now. I just wasnt' sure if this was something to add in debian/rules or the kgoldrunner.install file
[21:38] <gsilvapt> It worked fine, tsimonq2. Thank you
[21:38] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: \o/
[21:40] <gsilvapt> tsimonq2, why can't I run sbuild if there is another folder exists within that directory?
[21:41] <gsilvapt> Like, I had the parent directory as package, and under it there was debian (of the source package) and package again (the packaging source). If I tried running sbuild, it would stop immediately. If I removed that folder, then it runs like a charm
[21:41] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: Got a log?
[21:46] <gsilvapt> 1 minute
[21:49] <gsilvapt> Find it here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24975573/
[21:52] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: This isn't sbuild-specific
[21:53] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: This package uses Quilt, and therefore is not expected to have any upstream modifications that aren't in a patch that's under debian/patches.
[21:54] <gsilvapt> Hum, so there is a conflict between the fact both directories have debian files (control, rules, quilt, etc)
[21:54] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: If it was a native package (which I recommend against doing but people do it anyways ^_^) then debuild would have no problem, because that means that debian/ is in the upstream dir.
[21:54] <tsimonq2> Could you run `ls -R | pastebinit` so I understand what you're referring to?
[21:56] <gsilvapt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/24975602/ ^
[21:56] <tsimonq2> Uhm, why is this the case?
[22:00] <gsilvapt> not sure I understood the question
[22:05] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: Why do you have that dir in the same place as a debian dir?
[22:05] <tsimonq2> Doesn't make sense to me.
[22:06] <gsilvapt> the first dir is upstream. I make the changes and try building. The other directory is the kci's packaging one, that I mostly use to push changes upstream
[22:07] <tsimonq2> Move kgoldrunner up a dir and you'll be golden :)
[22:07] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: But they really shouldn't be in the same dir
[22:08] <gsilvapt> I was trying to organize things to avoid having stuff everywhere
[22:09] <tsimonq2> Ok :)
[22:09] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: I'd just create a parent dir that houses the KCI packaging, upstream, everything
[22:09] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: I mean, that's what I do
[22:09] <tsimonq2> gsilvapt: But it's just one top-level dir
[22:09] <gsilvapt> But how do you manage organization?
[22:10] <gsilvapt> Like, you clone the upstream, do the changes, check it builds and then where will you store the KCI packaging?
[22:10] <clivejo> do the same as git-clone-all
/git/debian/changelog
[22:11] <tsimonq2> clivejo: I dislike that method and here's why
[22:11] <tsimonq2> clivejo: There's so many subdirs it's crazy
[22:11] <clivejo> your OCD?
[22:11] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kmail build #236: FAILURE in 33 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kmail/236/
[22:11] <clivejo> you're
[22:11] <tsimonq2> Absolutely. :P
[22:11] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_unstable_kdepim-runtime build #65: FAILURE in 33 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_unstable_kdepim-runtime/65/
[22:11] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kdepim-runtime build #232: FAILURE in 37 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kdepim-runtime/232/
[22:11] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_unstable_kmail build #78: FAILURE in 47 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_unstable_kmail/78/
[22:11] <gsilvapt> And I think I am bit too :P
[22:11] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kdepim-runtime build #226: FAILURE in 45 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kdepim-runtime/226/
[22:12] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_stable_kdepim-runtime build #59: STILL FAILING in 32 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_stable_kdepim-runtime/59/
[22:12] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_stable_kdepim-runtime build #63: FAILURE in 35 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_stable_kdepim-runtime/63/
[22:12] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_stable_kmail build #80: FAILURE in 1 min 19 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_stable_kmail/80/
[22:12] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_stable_kmail build #39: FAILURE in 50 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_stable_kmail/39/
[22:12] <clivejo> oh no
[22:12] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kmail build #281: FAILURE in 1 min 26 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kmail/281/
[22:12] <clivejo> one Simon is bad enough
[22:12] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kdepim-runtime build #227: STILL FAILING in 37 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kdepim-runtime/227/
[22:12] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_stable_kdepim-runtime build #42: FAILURE in 50 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_stable_kdepim-runtime/42/
[22:12] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_stable_kmail build #60: FAILURE in 1 min 6 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_stable_kmail/60/
[22:13] <tsimonq2> clivejo, gsilvapt: Example of a project I'm working on and how I organize it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24975871/
[22:14] <gsilvapt> haha
[22:14] <gsilvapt> Thanks, tsimonq2
[22:15] <clivejo> was there a podcast?
[22:17] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kdepim-runtime build #233: STILL FAILING in 26 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kdepim-runtime/233/
[22:17] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_unstable_kmail build #79: STILL FAILING in 31 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_unstable_kmail/79/
[22:17] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kmail build #237: STILL FAILING in 55 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kmail/237/
[22:17] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_unstable_kdepim-runtime build #66: STILL FAILING in 1 min 7 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_unstable_kdepim-runtime/66/
[22:17] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_stable_kmail build #40: STILL FAILING in 31 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_stable_kmail/40/
[22:17] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kmail build #282: STILL FAILING in 31 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kmail/282/
[22:18] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_stable_kmail build #61: STILL FAILING in 30 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_stable_kmail/61/
[22:18] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_stable_kmail build #81: STILL FAILING in 48 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_stable_kmail/81/
 yep
[22:22] <clivejo> link?
 we hit 350 now
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32TeBG0TZ0Q
[22:23] <clivejo> holy cow
[22:25] <clivejo> why have my fonts all changed :/
[22:25] <clivejo> who is the blond girl?
[22:26] <clivejo> 350?
[22:27] <clivejo> poor girl!
 @tsimonq2, What if you have to apply a patch with quilt?
[22:28] <tsimonq2> @Santa: https://raphaelhertzog.com/2012/08/08/how-to-use-quilt-to-manage-patches-in-debian-packages/
 eww quilt
 @tsimonq2, I know how to use quilt, Simon. I mean you don't have the upstream code in the same directory than the debian packaging
[22:31] <tsimonq2> Well you *can* have it in the same directory, my point is, it's optional.
 Then, how do you apply patches if you don't?
[22:38] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[22:38] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_stable_kdepim-runtime build #64: FIXED in 20 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_stable_kdepim-runtime/64/
[22:38] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[22:38] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_stable_kdepim-runtime build #43: FIXED in 20 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_stable_kdepim-runtime/43/
[22:38] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[22:38] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_stable_kmail build #62: FIXED in 18 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_stable_kmail/62/
[22:38] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[22:38] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_stable_kmail build #41: FIXED in 18 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_stable_kmail/41/
[22:38] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[22:38] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_stable_kdepim-runtime build #60: FIXED in 21 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_stable_kdepim-runtime/60/
[22:38] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[22:38] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_stable_kmail build #82: FIXED in 19 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_stable_kmail/82/
[22:39] <clivejo> Emma looks scared
 ?
[22:40] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[22:40] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_unstable_kmail build #80: FIXED in 20 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_unstable_kmail/80/
[22:40] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[22:40] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kmail build #283: FIXED in 20 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kmail/283/
[22:40] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[22:40] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kmail build #238: FIXED in 20 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kmail/238/
[22:42] <clivejo> LOL
[22:43] <clivejo> a fish maze!
[22:44] <valorie> clivejo: ?
[22:44] <clivejo> Podcast
[22:44] <valorie> ah
[22:44] <clivejo> Ovi explaining about goldfish memory
[22:45] <clivejo> and scientific experiments to test gold fish memory involving a fish maze
[22:45] <santa_> ah
[22:48] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[22:48] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kdepim-runtime build #234: FIXED in 30 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kdepim-runtime/234/
[22:49] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[22:49] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_unstable_kdepim-runtime build #67: FIXED in 30 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_unstable_kdepim-runtime/67/
[22:49] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[22:49] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_kdepim-runtime build #228: FIXED in 31 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_kdepim-runtime/228/
[22:56] <clivejo> my desktop is so ugly!
[23:02] <mparillo_> Your desktop might be ugly, but my nick has a cute tail just like Santa's. Why I keep getting it, I do not know.
 I got that beacause of all these freaking imposters
[23:06] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_merger build #900: SUCCESS in 6 min 34 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_merger/900/
[23:12] <mparillo_> Hmm, I wonder if there is an mparillo imposter on another freenode channel. I thought it should be sufficiently unique.
[23:12] <clivejo> my fonts are ugly in chrome :/
[23:14] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_ring-kde build #12: STILL FAILING in 6 min 53 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_ring-kde/12/
[23:18]  * santa_ goes back to the putin interviews
[23:19] <gsilvapt> putin is granted fun
[23:24] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_unstable_ring-kde build #12: STILL FAILING in 15 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_unstable_ring-kde/12/
[23:28] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_unstable_ktorrent build #12: STILL FAILING in 20 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_unstable_ktorrent/12/
[23:34] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_kmailtransport build #231: STILL FAILING in 26 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_kmailtransport/231/
[23:34] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project zesty_unstable_discover build #260: NOW UNSTABLE in 26 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/zesty_unstable_discover/260/
[23:55] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_unstable_discover build #71: UNSTABLE in 47 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_unstable_discover/71/
[23:55] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_discover build #251: NOW UNSTABLE in 47 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_discover/251/
[23:55] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[23:55] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project xenial_unstable_plasma-workspace build #280: FIXED in 47 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/xenial_unstable_plasma-workspace/280/
[23:55] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project artful_unstable_cantor build #40: STILL UNSTABLE in 47 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/artful_unstable_cantor/40/


[13:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- RikMills, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4052 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (groovy/kcalcore, groovy/kcontacts). Proposed pocket (groovy/attica-kf5, groovy/baloo-kf5, groovy/bluez-qt, groovy/breeze-icons, groovy/extra-cmake-modules, groovy/frameworkintegration, groovy/kactivities-kf5, groovy/kactivities-stats, groovy/kapidox, groovy/karchive, groovy/kauth, groovy/kbookmarks, groovy/kcmutils, groovy/kcodecs, groovy/kcom
[16:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- ahasenack, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4053 No packages are being considered! If you are preparing sources manually, please upload them to the PPA now
[16:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- rbalint, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3801 Preparing packages
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[18:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- rbalint, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/3801 Pending binary packages
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[22:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- RikMills, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4052 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (groovy/kcalcore, groovy/kcontacts). Proposed pocket (groovy/attica-kf5, groovy/baloo-kf5, groovy/bluez-qt, groovy/breeze-icons, groovy/extra-cmake-modules, groovy/frameworkintegration, groovy/kactivities-kf5, groovy/kactivities-stats, groovy/karchive, groovy/kauth, groovy/kbookmarks, groovy/kcmutils, groovy/kcodecs, groovy/kcompletion, groovy/


[10:30] <ira> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 167
[10:30] <ira>   Major opcode:  146
[10:30] <ira>   Minor opcode:  3
[10:30] <ira>   Resource id:  0x0
[10:30] <ira> askes for password
[10:30] <ubuntu> ira: that's your password
[10:30] <ubuntu> that you used to login
[10:30] <ira> yes i entered it
[10:30] <ira> ubuntu:
[10:30] <ira> Failed to open device
[10:30] <ira> sh:
[10:30] <ira> adept: not found
[10:31] <ira> after i put in password
[10:31] <ubuntu> ira: looks like you uninstalled it somehow
[10:31] <ubuntu> ira: no wait
[10:31] <ubuntu>  that's the kdesu adept
[10:31] <ira> waiting
[10:31] <ubuntu> try kdesu adpet_manager
[10:31] <ubuntu> adept_manager
[10:32] <DaleksUnited> hi
[10:32] <aaroncampbell> How long does it normally take for a ticket submitted to lauchpad to get assigned, or at least looked at?
[10:32] <ira> ubuntu: runs
[10:33] <DaleksUnited> if anyone has a spare minute, i have a quick question about installing kubuntu
[10:33] <ira> I guess just doesnt run from GUI
[10:34] <BluesKaj> DaleksUnited, fire away :)
[10:35] <scorpking> hey ppl. i connected with my motorola v360 using vlive and it's the conection i'm using now. the problem is i can ping a host, i'm on irc but no surfing from konqueror. my balance is 0.00 so i'm not sure how long the connection will last. :-)
[10:36] <k4> no dns ?
[10:36] <k4> nice scorpking
[10:36] <scorpking> i can ping google.com
[10:36] <kewl> :)
[10:36] <k4> and dnslookup ?
[10:37] <scorpking> how do i check that?
[10:37] <k4> windows ?
[10:37] <k4> on linux ping www.google.de
[10:37] <scorpking> linux, kubuntu 7.04
[10:37] <k4> ping a name
[10:38] <k4> if there is an answer from a ip , everythings ok
[10:38] <DaleksUnited> BluesKaj: During the install, if I choose resize IDE1 master partition (which is my windows one), will it delete windows, or just resize the partitin and leave the files intact?
[10:38] <scorpking> it's working. maybe the connection is too slow. :-(
[10:38] <ubuntu> k4: no totally true :)
[10:39] <k4> DaleksUnited: normally if it says resize it would resize
[10:39] <ubuntu> over the weekend something funkified happened with my ISP where I could ping things and make a connection with servers but I can't get back any traffice
[10:39] <ubuntu> So no browsing
[10:39] <ubuntu> it sucked
[10:39] <DaleksUnited> k4: ok, ill give it a go
[10:39] <k4> ubuntu: if you ping , packets are already going both ways
[10:39] <DaleksUnited> i was just worried that it might not, because ive spent the day trying to find a way to resize it myself and failed
[10:40] <ubuntu> k4: I know it was freaky
[10:40] <k4> DaleksUnited: i think it only resizes free space at the end
[10:40] <ubuntu> k4: like only the first poing or the last would get through
[10:40] <DaleksUnited> ah, cool
[10:40] <BluesKaj> DaleksUnited, it should be fine
[10:40] <ubuntu> a traceroute would work inside the house then die after
[10:40] <DaleksUnited> i defragged, so the last 20GB are free
[10:40] <ubuntu> DaleksUnited: smart
[10:42] <DaleksUnited> i just wanted to make sure because i have no way to reinstall windows if it goes wrong - i was given this PC by a friend sans disks
[10:42] <BluesKaj> DaleksUnited, are you using the kubuntu live cd to resize ?
[10:42] <DaleksUnited> yeah
[10:42] <BluesKaj> you'l be ok then
[10:42] <DaleksUnited> cool
[10:43] <mrksbrd> how do u find the latest kernal u are using?
[10:43] <ubuntu> uname -r
[10:43] <DaleksUnited> ive spent most of the day removing ubuntu 6.06/GRUB from the system
[10:43] <scheuri> hi all....anyone an idea how to make my laptop auto-connect to a wireless router...including its wpa-key....I do not want to type it in all the time...
[10:43] <coreymon77> scheuri: yup
[10:44] <ubuntu> DaleksUnited: Oh? so you have Ubuntu?
[10:44] <scheuri> coreymon77: do you mind sharing this idea with me....some keywords to search goggle would be fine too
[10:44] <DaleksUnited> ubuntu - i did
[10:44] <mrksbrd> coreymon77, i re-installed & now works fine
[10:44] <DaleksUnited> windows on a 30GB HDD, ubuntu on a 3GB
[10:44] <DaleksUnited> windows couldnt see the ubuntu disk, ubuntu couldnt mount the windows disk
[10:45] <ubuntu> DaleksUnited: I'm confused now :) you have space for Kubuntu? why are you resizing?
[10:45] <DaleksUnited> lol, sorry
[10:45] <DaleksUnited> the 3GB was needed in another PC
[10:45] <ubuntu> ok
[10:46] <DaleksUnited> so I had to resize the windows 30GB partition and make a new one on that disk for linux
[10:47] <DaleksUnited> i was at the IOI 2007 in Zagreb last week, and really like KDE/KDevelop, so decided to convert
[10:47] <Angelus> BluesKaj: dude now even my Xserver  aint starting :S , im on irssi and you know > I HATE COMANDLINE
[10:48] <ubuntu> DaleksUnited: Welcome
[10:48] <ubuntu> hi juancamilo
[10:48] <coreymon77> scheuri: system settings-network settings
[10:48] <mrksbrd> how do u find what kernel is running on ur system??????????
[10:48] <ubuntu> mrksbrd: uname -r
[10:48] <BluesKaj> Angelus, you may need to reconfigure your xorg file "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[10:48] <coreymon77> scheuri: go there
[10:49] <Angelus> BluesKaj: i made dexconf
[10:49] <aaroncampbell> How long does it normally take for a ticket submitted to lauchpad to get assigned, or at least looked at?
[10:49] <ubuntu> aaroncampbell: depends on the churn I'd suppose
[10:49] <BluesKaj> Angelus, your video driver is prolly the wrong one or it's pimped
[10:49] <coreymon77> scheuri: are you at network settings?
[10:50] <aaroncampbell> ubotu: churn?
[10:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about churn? - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:50] <scheuri> coreymon77: yes....I disabled roaming mode...however, WPA is not an option for the key
[10:50] <manchicken> !compiz
[10:50] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:50] <mrksbrd> kernel <IP_ADDRESS> is now out is it advisable to upgrade this, and how would be the best way to do it???????????
[10:50] <aaroncampbell> ubuntu: churn?
[10:50] <Angelus> BluesKaj: i tried 3 different , via from kubuntu. via from X.org, and via from Openchrome and didnt work :S
[10:50] <Angelus> BluesKaj:  i think im gonna re-install
[10:50] <ubuntu> aaroncampbell: how much work is going on and how many bugs are coming in
[10:50] <Arwen> mrksbrd, with apt?
[10:51] <BluesKaj> Angelus, sudo invoke-rc.d kdm start
[10:51] <ubuntu> mrksbrd: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:51] <coreymon77> scheuri: i take it you have the wpa-supplicant package right?
[10:51] <ubuntu> mrksbrd: Do you have a Orange Box with a red sign that has an exclamation mark on it in the system tray
[10:51] <scorpking> k4: think i found the problem - 78% packet loss
[10:51] <mrksbrd> no
[10:52] <ubuntu> mrksbrd: ok then the commands I just gave you
[10:52] <scheuri> coreymon77: well, yes...I am connected to it right now using wpa
[10:52] <ubuntu> mrksbrd: You are on the machine now?
[10:52] <mrksbrd> yes
[10:52] <coreymon77> scheuri: okay, give me a sec
[10:52] <Angelus> BluesKaj: didnt work
[10:52] <scheuri> coreymon77: sure...thank you
[10:53] <Angelus> BluesKaj: what i cant understand is why did this happen? because i compiled mesa from source or because i remove via, install unichrome, removed unichrome and re-installed via? do you have an idea? did you ever compile mesa from source?
[10:53] <BluesKaj> Angelus, sudo cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... try to go back a previous version of xorg datewise
[10:53] <manchicken> Anybody know if aiglx works on the intel x3100?
[10:54] <ubuntu> intel is normally good
[10:54] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: I think it does... got your new lappy?
[10:54] <mrksbrd> ubuntu, why did u ask that??
[10:54] <BluesKaj> no Angelus , I just used tyhe vesa driver to get X back and then tried to solve the problem after
[10:54] <manchicken> nosrednaekim: Freakin' sweat
[10:54] <manchicken> sweet
[10:54] <manchicken> Still getting used to the display and keyboard though.
[10:54] <nosrednaekim> the darter?
[10:54] <ubuntu> mrksbrd: cause if you boot while on the net it should give you notification that you can upgrade
[10:55] <Angelus> BluesKaj: but did this happen because i compiled Mesa from source or doesnt have to do with that?
[10:55] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: yeah... it took me like two weeks to get used to mine
[10:55] <Angelus> ah btw BluesKaj now even vesa is not working :/
[10:55] <manchicken> Trying to get compiz on it now.
[10:55] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: but now I really like it. it was mostly the arrow keys. ( they are in a reall weir position on mine)
[10:55] <BluesKaj> Angelus,  yeah i think so
[10:55] <manchicken> I got mine in a week and a half.
[10:55] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Laptop: you around?
[10:56] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke-Ido: you too..
[10:56] <manchicken> The full bottom row of keys seems to be off to the right just a little.
[10:56] <Angelus> so you cant compile your own Mesa on kubuntu BluesKaj
[10:56] <Angelus> :S
[10:56] <mrksbrd> ubuntu, showing no upgrades!!!!
[10:56] <BluesKaj> Angelus, sudo cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... try to go back a previous version of xorg datewiseI don't know cuz i don't use mesa
[10:56] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: no need for a sudo
[10:56] <ubuntu> mrksbrd: wait hold on what kernel version do you have?
[10:57] <Angelus> what do you mean try to go back to a preavious version? that just lists Xorg.conf
[10:57] <mrksbrd> 2.6.20-16-generic
[10:57] <Angelus> :S
[10:57] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: from what i've heard, you need the xorg-intel driver to get aiglx running on X3100
[10:57] <Arwen> ^^
[10:58] <BluesKaj> ok Angelus..  cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf...try to find a xorg file that's  prvious to the new driver install
[10:58] <Arwen> the i810 and that one from earlier are deprecated now
[10:58] <mrksbrd> why?
[10:58] <Arwen> Intel consolidated them all into the "intel" driver
[10:59] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: off to the right.. is that defect or just a difference in the keyboard?
[11:00] <manchicken> I think it's a difference
[11:00] <coreymon77> scheuri: sorry, i got caught up with something
[11:00] <manchicken> Restarting X
[11:00] <scheuri> coreymon77: no worries
[11:02] <coreymon77> scheuri: okay
[11:02] <coreymon77> type this into konsole
[11:03] <coreymon77> kdesu kate /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[11:04] <scheuri> coreymon77: empty...meaning there is no such file already
[11:04] <coreymon77> scheuri: oh whoops, thats ubuntu
[11:05] <ubuntu_> Someone called?
[11:05] <mrksbrd> me
[11:05] <mrksbrd> chk prvt msg
[11:05] <ubuntu_> sorry what were you asking?
[11:05] <scheuri> coreymon77: there is a difference between ubuntu and kubuntu in terms of wpasupplicant?
[11:05] <ubuntu_> My router died
[11:05] <ubuntu_> No pvt messages
[11:06] <coreymon77> scheuri: slightly, there is a different way of doing things
[11:06] <mrksbrd> should i not upgrade if system isn't offering?
[11:06] <coreymon77> scheuri: could you maybe ask someone else, im not all that familiar with wpa
[11:06] <ubuntu_> mrksbrd: you want the new kernel?
[11:06] <ubuntu_> mrksbrd: What kernel do you have now?
[11:07] <mrksbrd> only if it will work & not mess something up!!!!!!!!!
[11:07] <scheuri> coreymon77: sure....but that helped already...so I need to modify that file....
[11:07] <ubuntu_> mrksbrd: What kernel do you have now?
[11:07] <mrksbrd> 2.6.20-16-generic
[11:07] <manchicken> What's the display manager for compiz?
[11:07] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: dusplay manager? you mean "compiz --replace"?
[11:07] <coreymon77> scheuri: i tried
[11:07] <ubuntu_> mrksbrd: you will get a notification of the update in a few days i guess
[11:08] <scheuri> coreymon77: I take it there is something in this file on your cmputer
[11:08] <mrksbrd> http://linux.softpedia.com/progDownload/Linux-Kernel-Download-1960.html
[11:08] <manchicken> Okay, so kde-display-manager --replace isn't the way to go it seems
[11:08] <nosrednaekim> manchicken: "kwin --replace"
[11:09] <ubuntu_> mrksbrd: is there something in there that you need?
[11:09] <manchicken> Hmm...
[11:09] <mrksbrd> that is the latest d/l of the kernal, just posted it so u could look @ it
[11:09] <coreymon77> scheuri: no, i use wep
[11:09] <coreymon77> scheuri: i dont even have the file
[11:09] <Solifugus> Is there a way to undelete a file?
[11:09] <scheuri> coreymon77: ah, I see...well, thanks for the hint...
[11:10] <Solifugus> to undelete a file i deleted from the command line?
[11:11] <ubuntu_> mrksbrd: I know
[11:13] <ubuntu_> mrksbrd: anything in there that you need drastically?
[11:16] <coreymon77> scheuri: i use kubuntu
[11:16] <coreymon77> scheuri: the ubuntu wiki shows there being a different way of setting it up
[11:16] <scheuri> coreymon77: I have Kubuntu as well
[11:17] <coreymon77> scheuri: i use wep though, not wpa which is definitely different
[11:17] <scheuri> coreymon77: indeed
[11:17] <martijn81> wpa does not seem to be stable to me either
[11:19] <scorpking> mrksbrd: try to google for ext3 undelete
[11:24] <ubuntu_> Solifugus: Nope
[11:24] <ubuntu_> Solifugus: First there is no trash on the command line unless you set it up yourself and second the ext3 file system REALLY removes a file so that sucker is gone
[11:25] <Solifugus> ubuntu_: u r mean
[11:25] <triger> Hello
[11:25] <triger> I need some help here
[11:25] <ubuntu_> !ask
[11:25] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:25] <triger> Umm how can i get yahoo chat rooms in kubuntu
[11:26] <Solifugus> ubuntu_: but actually.. i installed with reiserfs 3.6... still.. i think the same is true.
[11:26] <ubuntu_> triger: I think that kopete should support them
[11:26] <triger> I tried
[11:26] <ubuntu_> Solifugus: the first thing kicks in then :)
[11:26] <triger> i cant even get the new version
[11:26] <triger> i dont know how to compile
[11:26] <Solifugus> ubuntu_: i really try to avoid ext3... too many corrupted systems.. reiserfs has been much better for me.
[11:26] <ubuntu_> triger: sorry?
[11:26] <ubuntu_> Solifugus: More power man
[11:27] <martijn81> triger: newest 0.12.4 is in kde 3.5.6 and up
[11:28] <Ardin> Ok, got a question about Kubuubu. i have slackware installed right now, and i have my home partition on its own. i just finally got kde the way i want it. if i install kubuntu, will it stay the same? (as long as i dont change the home mount point obviously)
[11:28] <martijn81> upgrade to that is in edgy and feisty already comes with it
[11:28] <nosrednaekim> Ardin: yep..
[11:28] <manchicken> Is there a better, more kubuntu-focused, compiz doc?
[11:28] <ubuntu_> Ardin: Yeah
[11:28] <ubuntu_> as long as you install the apps that you wnt
[11:28] <triger> how do i update to 7.04
[11:29] <ubuntu_> triger: what are you on now?
[11:29] <triger> kubuntu edgy
[11:29] <ubuntu_> !upgrade
[11:29] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[11:31] <Ardin> ok, now is it really worth it? i mean, isthe package management system just that great? also, is it a debian based system, or is it more like the other linux systems i've used
[11:31] <triger> Reading package lists... Done
[11:31] <triger> Building dependency tree... Done
[11:31] <triger> E: Couldn't find package update-manager-core
[11:32] <triger> See no good
[11:32] <ubuntu_> triger: You updated the sources.list to feisty ?
[11:33] <triger> i tried it failed
[11:33] <ubuntu_> triger: what were you falling?
[11:34] <triger> Look i need to get into yahoo chat rooms kopete doesnt support it.
[11:34] <triger> So next ? what will
[11:34] <ubuntu_> following sorry not falling
[11:35] <scorpking> triger: what do you use on windows for chatrooms?
[11:35] <ubuntu_> yahoo does have a linux client
[11:35] <triger> lol
[11:35] <triger> Doesnt make any sense
[11:35] <triger> Plz
[11:36] <jhutchins> does pidgin?
[11:36] <martijn81> what about pidgin?
[11:36] <triger> Linux uses yahoo client
[11:36] <martijn81> LOL
[11:36] <Ardin> pidgin
[11:36] <triger> i cant get pidgin on kde
[11:36] <Ardin> ... why not?
[11:36] <triger> It is grub
[11:36] <ubuntu_> triger: I think you mean Gnome
[11:36] <triger> Yes
[11:36] <triger> Sorry
[11:36] <triger> Gnome
[11:36] <Ardin> ... i can install it on windows, i'm sure you can install it on kde
[11:36] <ubuntu_> Does'nt make a difference
[11:37] <triger> lol
[11:37] <triger> windows compared to linux
[11:37] <triger> man your lost
[11:37] <Ardin> ..... no, i'm really not
[11:37] <triger> Yes really you are
[11:37] <ubuntu_> ok then help us :)
[11:37] <Ardin> GTK+ libraries can be installed seperate from gnome
[11:37] <triger> msdos it dfferent then kde
[11:37] <scorpking> triger: go to http://webmessenger.yahoo.com/
[11:37] <titancompu>  Hey, I have two internet connections available to me. My personal one and my schools. I have two NICs available as well. Is it possible to combine the power of the two internets together?
[11:37] <triger> lol
[11:38] <triger> It wont let me in char rooms
[11:38] <triger> chat
[11:38] <scorpking> :-( google.com
[11:38] <triger> tried it
[11:39] <Ardin> triger:  what i was saying, was that if they have a windows client that is just a couple changed lines in source, that i'm pretty sure pidgin can be installed with KDE as your desktop enviorment. you just need to install the gtk+ libraries
[11:39] <Ardin> hell, i can prove it works under "kde"
[11:39] <Angelus> BluesKaj:  i managed to get my Xserver to start but im getting the following error now http://rafb.net/p/rK3MA140.html
[11:39] <spiroo> drif?
[11:39] <Ardin> i'm running it right now
[11:39] <ubuntu_> Ardin: just give him the apt command
[11:39] <triger> yes
[11:39] <triger> I am about ready to go back to ubuntu
[11:40] <Ardin> ubuntu_: never used apt yet... i have to install kubuntu first... i'm on slackware12.0
[11:40] <ubuntu_> triger: you can get to yahoo chat under ubuntu?
[11:40] <spiroo> are you still there drif, my internet just shutted down for a sec
[11:40] <ubuntu_> Ardin: ok :)
[11:40] <triger> Yea but it wont let me into the rooms
[11:40] <triger> i dont know why
[11:40] <triger> i double click it and nothing happenes
[11:41] <triger> dont waste of time
[11:42] <triger> dont download kubuntu
[11:42] <triger> Worthless
[11:42] <Ardin> ... its fine if you understand how linux works
[11:42] <Ardin> you can install the gtk libraries
[11:42] <Ardin> in fact, most non kde applications need them
[11:42] <triger> Ok fuck this shit ardin you are the biggest idiot in this room see ye
[11:42] <scorpking> triger: be nice plz...
[11:43] <Ardin> whoa... what the hell?
[11:43] <PriceChild> triger, no personal attacks int his channel and watch your language.
[11:43] <Ardin> wtf did i do now?
[11:43] <Ardin> ..... i was being nice! ... how did i manage to get him to go nutball by being nice?
[11:44] <Ardin> ok, ubuntu_ i have a serious question for you
[11:44] <Ardin> ubuntu_: if i install kubuntu.. will i turn into him?
[11:44] <Ardin> cause i dont want that
[11:46] <Angelus> lol Aranel
[11:46] <Angelus> * Ardin
[11:46] <Angelus> no dude, thats called attitude problem
[11:46] <Angelus> lol!!
[11:46] <Ardin> ok, now one more question
[11:47] <Ardin> is the command "make" installed by default? because i tend to compile alot of extra programs
[11:47] <Ardin> and i just ran into something on a forum about it wasnt
[11:47] <PriceChild> Ardin, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:47] <Ardin> thats it?
[11:47] <Angelus> hmm not sure , but if its not u can always install it from Adept(kubuntu's package manager)
[11:47] <Ardin> ok
[11:47] <Ardin> :)
[11:48] <Ardin> well, hopefully if this goes correctly, this wont mess with my settings.. here we go
[11:48] <iwin> i have an external hdd and fat32 partition (on the internal) and im pretty sure it only shows up in konqueror if i have some special priviledge cuz it aint showing up now. how can i make it show up all the time?
[11:50] <scorpking> iwin: check the permissions on the directory where it's mounted.
[11:51] <iwin> scorpking: ok, now i know what to do when it shows up. but how do i get it to show up? login as root?
[11:52] <msr2c> lo all
[11:52] <scorpking> iwin: if it is in /etc/fstab you might wanna add 'users' to the options so you can mount it as a normal user. see the cdrom entry
[11:52] <scorpking> iwin: sudo mount -a
[11:53] <clars_> hi - is here a channel for _64 users?
[11:56] <ubuntu_> this is it
[11:57] <Billiard> hey could someone help me with bluetooth, i can view all the files on my phone but if i try to send or recieve it fails
[11:58] <clars_> can i run i386 apps on my _64 install - because skype does nor come in an _64 version
[11:58] <scorpking> Billiard: check the logs in /var/log to see why.
[12:00] <qortrans> hi
[12:00] <manchicken> !beryl
[12:00] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:00] <manchicken> Bot die?
[12:00] <qortrans> how do I start a program that I've isntalled through Wine?
[12:00] <qortrans> I don't find it
[12:00] <manchicken> !xgl
[12:00] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:01] <scorpking> qortrans: it is in the /home/user/.wine directory
[12:01] <qortrans> scorpking: how do I start it?
[12:02] <scorpking> qortrans: go to the directory and run - wine program
[12:03] <qortrans> what am I dong wrong?
[12:03] <qortrans> Warning: the specified System directory L"c:\\windows\\system32" is not accessible.
[12:03] <qortrans> is that normal?
[12:06] <scorpking> qortrans: never seen that. don't know. have you tried #winehq ?
[12:12] <gary> hello
[12:12] <Ardin> well, that sucked
[12:12] <BluesKaj> If someone asks about Yahoochat again , one way to access it is thru the Opera 9 browser if Kopete doesn't work
[12:13] <gary> hey i need to know how to make my media player play dvd movies
[12:13] <Ardin> so, i go and try and install kubuntu fiesty, and it just kinda hung when trying to read my partitions
[12:14] <Ardin> tried the installer 3 times. for today, i have given up
[12:14] <ubuntu_> Ardin: No You would have to install Ubuntu after years of unsing windows to become him
[12:15] <tripp> hi
[12:15] <gary> i have kunbutu on my gateway laptop everything works great
[12:15] <tripp> can u take me the italian channel?
[12:15] <Ardin> ubuntu_: yeah, but even then i'm not that stupid
[12:16] <gary> except i need decoder or something
[12:16] <ubuntu_> !it
[12:16] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:17] <tripp> !it
[12:17] <gary> kubuntu rocks
[12:17] <gary> everything works if u know how to install and partiotion it right
[12:17] <Ardin> gary: everything works if you isntall it right
[12:17] <Ardin> :)
[12:17] <BluesKaj> gary, install libdvdcss2 and libxine-extrcodecs and w32codecs
[12:18] <gary> how do i do that
[12:18] <gary> im knew to this distro
[12:19] <BluesKaj> gary,  libdvdcss2 will enable your dvd drive to play copy p[rotected dvds
[12:19] <Ardin> s/knew/new
[12:20] <qortrans> is there an app in Kubuntu to mount damn bin cue and iso files?
[12:20] <BluesKaj> gary, are yo familiar with command line ?
[12:20] <qortrans> XP can with MagicISO
[12:20] <ubuntu_> gary: alt+space -> adept -> press enter
[12:20] <DaleksUnited> ok, im being really stupid - but in Kubuntu, how do you look to see which files are on a floppy disk :$
[12:20] <BluesKaj> qortrans, kiso
[12:20] <ubuntu_> DaleksUnited: Mount it I guess
[12:20] <DaleksUnited> ok
[12:21] <DaleksUnited> assume im new to linux
[12:21] <gary> then whado i do t
[12:21] <BluesKaj> DaleksUnited, system menu.storage media
[12:21] <ubuntu_> DaleksUnited: You see the K in the lower left?
[12:22] <ubuntu_> gary: adept menu -> manage repos
[12:22] <DaleksUnited> BluesKaj: shows as empty, even though I know GRUB is on there
[12:22] <DaleksUnited> ubuntu_ - yeah
[12:22] <BluesKaj> oh grub
[12:22] <ubuntu_> DaleksUnited: click the computer beside it -> storage media
[12:23] <DaleksUnited> ubuntu_: ok, thanks - but its showing the disk as emtpy, when there is stuff on it
[12:23] <kgx> anyone ever got "System I/O error" in cyrus?
[12:23] <ubuntu_> gary: adept menu being the one in the top left corner
[12:26] <BluesKaj> actually DaleksUnited, try to edit grub itself
[12:27] <ubuntu_> gary: still there?
[12:27] <DaleksUnited> BluesKaj: how?
[12:28] <DaleksUnited> (i installed it onto fd0 instead of hd0 so that windows was left intact and boots normally)
[12:28] <ubuntu_> and you have to use a floppy to get into linux?
[12:28] <ubuntu_> that's ... archaic :)
[12:29] <BluesKaj> DaleksUnited open grub with this command : alt+f2 then type ' kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst '
[12:29] <coreymon77> ubuntu_: oh, i used to have to do that
[12:29] <coreymon77> ubuntu_: before my bro spent an entire day fixing my bios
[12:30] <ubuntu_> flashedit?
[12:30] <DaleksUnited> ubuntu_: i want it that way, so that windows will load normally if i dont do anything, and so that its really easy to get rid of linux late
[12:30] <DaleksUnited> later*
[12:31] <BluesKaj> DaleksUnited, can you copy and paste your file to  www.pastebin.ca so we can take a look to further advise you ?
[12:31] <W1ZrD> How can I get root permission in konqurer?
[12:31] <ubuntu_> DaleksUnited: You know you can do that with Grub on the Hd right?
[12:32] <ubuntu_> W1ZrD: kdesu konqueror
[12:32] <Ardin> coolest feature of any music player: the ability to load a random playlist (not random files... a random list of files that it's gonna play)
[12:32] <W1ZrD> ah, thnx
[12:32] <DaleksUnited> BluesKaj: not easily...linux doesnt work with my wireless card, so that PC isnt online
[12:33] <DaleksUnited> i think ive got the GRUB issue sorted now though
[12:33] <ubuntu_> !wifi
[12:33] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:34] <DaleksUnited> i tried that with ubuntu 6..ill try tomorrow with kubuntu7
[12:35] <DaleksUnited> last question for tonight - how do I access my second HDD from linux?
[12:35] <ubuntu_> Feisty worked with mone
[12:35] <ubuntu_> then gutsy broke it
[12:35] <ubuntu_>  Looks like tribe 5 fixed it
[12:35] <ubuntu_> DaleksUnited: Mount it :0
[12:35] <BluesKaj> DaleksUnited, ok then , you will see under 'examples" a few lines referring to windows..copy those lines down to " chainloader +1 " , and place them at the bottom of the file, and save the file
[12:35] <ubuntu_> DaleksUnited: Want a quick dirty way right now?
[12:36] <rignes> Hello.
[12:36] <DaleksUnited> ubuntu_ - if youve got one


[05:12] <mattwj2002> hi guys
[05:12] <mattwj2002> I need some help anyone around?
[05:14] <mattwj2002> I was wondering how to fix shoutcast streams in mythbuntu 8.10
[13:53] <Essobi> Morning.
[17:32] <johannes__> hi I think about setting up a mythtv client using the diskless server. I have some questions: 1. Does it help to have 4GB instead 2GB on the Client? 2. Does it help to use Gigabit Ethernet instead of fast ethernet? 3. Can I tell the server, that no changes can be made to the stored Client image?
[20:21] <MythbuntuGuest70> evening everyone
[20:30] <MythbuntuGuest70> i wonder could anyone give me some on a kernel update i have build mythtv on top of ubuntu server 64 and now i have 2 offered kernels im not sure which one to update, im running v<IP_ADDRESS>-server and im being offered 2.6.28-11-server & 2.6.28 linux restricted anyone know the right answer
[20:45] <gunni> MythbuntuGuest: the 2.6.28-restriced-modules is not the kernel, its only kernel-modules, so it installs additional to the kernel
[20:46] <rhpot1991> you may not have the greatest performance running mythtv on top of ubuntu server as well
[22:50] <johannes_> hi, I think about setting up a diskless server, but I have some questions: 1. How much ram does the Client need? Is it any faster, when I put 4 GB instead of 3 GB into it? 2. Is it faster, if I use Gigabit Ethernet instead of Fast Ethernet? 3. Is the image loaded into the clients ram at the beginning and it doesnt need the server anymore or does it use the server as a harddisk?


[04:21] <nhaines> pleia2: ooh, the Ubuntu USB keys are cute!  :)
[04:22] <nhaines> Also, the OCLUG leader was surprised to hear that they were available finally and said "Well what are we waiting for?  Let's buy a bunch so we can have them to give to new attendees!"
[04:23] <DonkeyHotei> do they have 16.04.1?
[04:23] <lynorian> DonkeyHotei, no the release canidate is not out yet and still being tested
[04:24] <lynorian> but release team said they will probably respin everything tommorow
[04:24] <DonkeyHotei> a bit early for the keys to ship, then
[04:25] <lynorian> DonkeyHotei, yes the iso is not quite realeased yet
[04:27] <pleia2> traditionally the CDs/DVDs have been the original release, not the .1 release
[04:27] <pleia2> this is in keeping with that, but they had a lot of vendor problems with the USB sticks, hence their lateness, I'd prefer if they weren't delayed further
[04:28] <DonkeyHotei> right, but they already waited this long…
[04:28] <pleia2> resetting the clock at this point would likely mean we wouldn't get them until September
[04:28] <DonkeyHotei> but they're still writeable, right?
[04:29] <pleia2> sure, but Canonical isn't going to spend days reflashing hundreds of drives that were tested and shipped to them
[04:29] <pleia2> that might take until September too :)
[04:29] <DonkeyHotei> perhaps not, but locos and lugs could
[04:29] <pleia2> I'm not
[04:29] <lynorian> ^
[04:30] <pleia2> I can't make the time to flash and test every drive, I have a life and a job /o\
[04:31] <DonkeyHotei> i'd imagine most lugs would pass out few enough of them that it wouldn't take undue time, and certainly less time than discs
[04:32] <nhaines> It takes about the same amount of time to burn a DVD and flash a USB drive.  Except that flashing USB drives is far more manual unless you have a $15,000 duplicator.
[04:33] <nhaines> pleia2: try to talk your job into letting you reflash USB keys as a 20% project!
[04:33] <pleia2> yeah, I didn't burn DVDs either ;)
[04:33] <nhaines> I would usually burn a max of 5 DVDs.  ;)
[04:33] <pleia2> nhaines: if we had 20% projects (we don't), I can think of about a million things I'd rather do :)
[04:33] <nhaines> pleia2: it can be a pilot test.  :)
[04:34] <nhaines> The only reason I burn DVDs at all now is because I know a very nice old man who always says hi at SCALE and asks to be mailed DVDs because his bandwidth is too slow to download 32-bit ISOs.  And even then he mostly mails blanks and SASEs to me, which is awfully nice.
[04:41] <pleia2> I still do for my Lubuntu PPC mac
[04:42] <pleia2> or if I'm doing ISO testing and for some reason the USB tools, partitioner and dd are misbehaving, but given all the options that's less common these days
[04:44] <lynorian> https://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager/download.html if you have problems booting usb for some reason this may be of use
[04:44] <darthrobot> Title: [Plop Boot Manager 5.0 - Download]
[04:45] <lynorian> think it is x86 assembler so it doesn't work on powerpc
[04:46] <pleia2> it's usually a problem with creating them, not booting them (and my ppc mac doesn't have the *ability* to boot from usb)
[04:46] <lynorian> this lets you basically chainboot of the usbv
[04:46] <pleia2> aha
[04:55] <DonkeyHotei> pleia2: it can boot from ieee1394
[18:07] <nhaines> pleia2: I'm chatting with the Community Team about LoCo and community help, if you have comments or concerns.  We're doing a hangout.
[18:22] <pleia2> nhaines: thanks, I'd like to but my office is currently being occupied by someone fixing our printer, and then I have a work meeting
[18:23] <nhaines> pleia2: Oh, I was just going to pass along anything you had to mention.  :)
[18:27] <pleia2> oh, heh :)
[18:27] <pleia2> not prepared to articulate specific problems right now
[18:29] <nhaines> pleia2: no worries!  I should've given more notice.  :)
[19:17] <nhaines> pleia2: work items for everyone!  \o/
[19:18] <nhaines> We've had positive results from the pilot test program, so we're going to be expanding Meetup.com sponsorship to any LoCo team who wants it.
[19:18] <pleia2> lol
[19:18] <pleia2> cool, will they fix billing? ;) still getting an error today
[19:56] <nhaines> pleia2: yes, Michael is working on that.  ;)
[19:56] <pleia2> great


[07:04] <whurley> is there an easy way to update ubuntu-server 5.10 to the latest version?
[07:04] <whurley> (sorry new to server)
[07:05] <infinity> sed -i -e "s/breezy/dapper/" /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:11] <whurley> thanks so much
[07:11] <whurley> I'm still fighting the amd dual proc dapper issues
[07:11] <whurley> but wanting to install the previous version (if that works) and then upgrade to see if that's a work around
[07:13] <infinity> "the amd dual proc dapper issue"?
[07:13] <whurley> we're testing Dapper as the "os of choice" for the Open Management Consortium
[07:14] <whurley> however, we've been running into an issue that looks like this
[07:15] <whurley> the install cd (amd64 version) boots fine and displays the install choices. However, when you select any install option, with any boot options that have been suggested (and there have been many) then it freezes right after "io scheduler cfg registered" and right before where the kernel gets loaded into the ram disk
[07:16] <whurley> the servers we're deploying look like this:
[07:16] <infinity> Curious.  And I assume there's a bug filed about this?
[07:16] <whurley> Penguin Computing Altus 1300s Dual AMD 248s with Northbridge, 4GB ram and 300GB drives
[07:17] <whurley> well, no not that I found
[07:17] <whurley> I also thought it coule be us
[07:17] <whurley> :)
[07:17] <whurley> I personally wonder it is something with the mem controller
[07:17] <infinity> Well, it could be, but if it's us, it would be nice for you to file a bug and work on resolving it, rather than just assuming it'll stay broken. :)
[07:17] <whurley> since it dies right as the ramdisk is starting
[07:17] <whurley> oh
[07:17] <whurley> don't worry
[07:18] <whurley> I would have already dumped this distro 2 days ago under normal circumstances
[07:18] <whurley> I have been documenting everything tried
[07:18] <whurley> and we're systematically trying to find the cause :)
[07:19] <whurley> we want to start a systems management team
[07:20] <infinity> Anyhow, the next thing after registering the I/O schedulers appears ot be ACPI probes.
[07:20] <infinity> So, if I had to take a short in the dark, I'd guess some IOAPIC/ACPI mangling, either on the kernel command line or in the BIOS, will probably clear you up.
[07:20] <whurley> so that the OMC can build on top of the OEM version of ubuntu server and create a systems mgmt stack
[07:20] <whurley> :)
[07:20] <whurley> nope
[07:20] <infinity> But talking to BenC (in a bug report, ideally, or in #ubuntu-kernel) will get you further than talking to me.
[07:20] <whurley> we tried...
[07:21] <whurley> noapic nolapic apci=off
[07:21] <whurley> and the google of other options :)
[07:21] <whurley> lol
[07:22] <whurley> I'll see if Ben is online
[07:37] <whurley> Infinity, one more question
[07:37] <whurley> actually, never mind
[08:20] <gururug> how about including some scripts that setup systems with packages for certain server roles, i.e. lamp, samba member server etc.
[08:21] <ajmitch> yes, that's being done
[08:25] <gururug> sweet
[08:25] <infinity> Except not with scripts.
[08:25] <infinity> You can choose a LAMP install from the installer.
[08:25] <infinity> Or later with tasksel.
[08:25] <gururug> ahh..
[08:26] <gururug> what's the recommended deployment method for ubuntu in the enterprise, http?
[08:27] <gururug> is there an easy way to get a udpcast gui installed with apt / dpkg?
[09:00] <gururug> sorry, what i really mean is, distro-specific, gui service configuration tools will attract users to ubuntu.
[08:08] <porkpie1> Hi guy's just trying to install the latest ubuntu server amd64 on a Dell power edge 1950 but it doesn't see the Dual Embedded Broadcom NetXtreme II 5708 Gigabit Ethernet NIC
[08:09] <porkpie1> This has 2 dual core 3.0ghz in it as well ...am I using the correct server image ?
[08:09] <porkpie1> We want to run xen on it ...:)
[08:12] <whurley> porkpie1: out of curiosity did you have an issues with the install?
[08:13] <Ries> hey porkpie1
[08:18] <porkpie1> no didn't finish
[08:24] <lionelp> porkpie1: it was with a dapper CD or an Edgy ?
[08:24] <whurley> porkpie1: sorry i meant installing ubuntu-server :)
[08:26] <Ries> lionelp: whurley: We used the unbuntu serve 6 AMD 64 bit version
[08:27] <Ries> going to post 3 lines
[08:27] <Ries> # lspci | grep -i broad
[08:27] <Ries> PCI bridge: Broadcom: Unknown device 0103 (rev c2)
[08:27] <Ries> Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation: Unknown device 164c (rev 11)
[08:27] <Ries> That is what we currently get
[08:28] <lionelp> Ries: it would be interesting to test with a live Edgy CD to know if the issue is still present
[08:28] <lionelp> it seems that there are some issues with the latest x950 Dell servers :-(
[08:29] <Ries> lionelp: we have indeed the latest version of dell server
[08:31] <porkpie1> Dual Embedded Broadcom NetXtreme II 5708 Gigabit Ethernet NIC
[08:32] <whurley> Ries: and there were no install issues? I'm having a freeze right after "io scheduler cfg registered" and right before the ramdisk loads. I've tried boot options, etc. but have found nothing that will get me past that point. So you use the Northbrige in your server? Perhaps there are some bios settings that should be adjusted. All I know is that I'm starting to get desperate for help :)
[08:33] <lionelp> whurley: did you open a bug ?
[08:33] <whurley> documenting for that now...where should it be posted?
[08:33] <Ries> whurley: We have yet ti finnish the install... We will do that first without the nic and then we will see what happens
[08:34] <whurley> Ries: thanks. I'll be interested to see. Meantime I'll open a big (though I'm not sure what to open it against)
[08:34] <Ries> Ok...
[08:34] <lionelp> whurley: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bugs
[08:35] <whurley> lionelp: thanks
[08:35] <Ries> Mark ( porkpie1 ) I am heaving lunche with karina... I'll be back in 30 minutes
[08:38] <Ries> whurley: we will be right back
[08:39] <whurley> Ries: thanks
[08:46] <whurley> Bug #63028: Ubuntu-server Installation freezes on AMD Dual Proc server
[08:46] <whurley> has been opened
[09:02] <lionelp> whurley: nice
[09:03] <lionelp> the apropriate person will contact you for getting more information and try to resolve with you the bug
[10:44] <Overand> worked fine on my X2 server- but that was amd-64 install
[10:45] <Overand> ah, just read the scrollback.


[11:19] <bkw> Hello, I have users claiming that the recent mainline ppa kernel packages are missing libc6 >= 2.33 dependency, such that they allow themselves to install on systems with libc6 < 2.33.
[11:19] <bkw> https://github.com/bkw777/mainline/issues/87#issuecomment-831777690
[14:53] <juergh> apw, ^^
[14:57] <apw> bkw, the main kernel should not have dependencies, the headers should
[14:58] <juergh> apw, the newer kernel are built using a groovy chroot when we claim to use the previous LTS.
[15:01] <apw> juergh, the write up is out of date as much as anything.  since a large number of options are now compiler specific we need tighter integration between the configuration we pick for the mainline kernel and the userspace it builds in
[15:05] <apw> these are not general use kernels, they are for debugging
[15:06] <apw> we might be able to come up with a config "patch" to retrograde some options to make an older lts work, but it would take effort.


[08:24] <Quantos> I have a repository issue
[08:24] <Quantos> How do I find which repository isn't updating?
[08:25] <Quantos> And what's the proper way to deal with it?
[08:25] <Quantos> 15.10
[08:26] <hateball> just running apt-get update should tell you which one fails
[08:32] <Quantos> Okay, but how do I need to run that for each repository?
[08:32] <Quantos> Or is it blanketed
[08:33] <Quantos> Hmm, the word 'how' doesn't belong in that sentence/question
[08:35] <Quantos> Okay, this was the result of that
[08:35] <Quantos> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsbarnes/indicator-keylock/ubuntu/dists/wily/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found
[08:35] <Quantos> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsbarnes/indicator-keylock/ubuntu/dists/wily/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[08:35] <Quantos> E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[08:35] <Quantos> shane@shane-HP-Compaq-Pro-6300-SFF:~$
[08:36] <Quantos> Hey, could that be for my caps lock indicator software?
[08:37] <Quantos> And what do I do about it?
[08:42] <hateball> Quantos: ppa-purge
[08:42] <hateball> that will remove the packages installed as well tho
[08:42] <hateball> if that is unwanted, you can just comment out the PPA
[08:43] <hateball> edit the related file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[08:44] <Quantos> So just ppa-purge, it only affects broken whatchamacallits?
[08:45] <Quantos> I guess sudo first thoguh
[08:46] <Quantos> ah
[08:46] <Quantos> sudo apt-get install ppa-purge
[08:49] <Quantos> Nope, that didn't fix it, goint to try the edit
[08:51] <hateball> well you need to know what ppa to purge
[08:51] <Quantos> hateball, I have to documents in that folder
[08:51] <hateball> just running ppa-purge on its own wont do anything
[08:51] <Quantos> Do I have to edit them or can I just delete them?
[08:52] <hateball> Quantos: both works. editing is reversible
[08:52] <Quantos> Ah
[08:52] <Quantos> Very good point
[08:52] <Quantos> Okay, I'll let you know how I get on, thanks so much for your time
[08:53] <Quantos> That's the pound symbol for remarking it out?
[08:53] <hateball> yes
[08:55] <Quantos> I can't save the remarked document, when I right click and go to properties everything is greyed out
[08:56] <hateball> Quantos: you need to edit it as root
[08:57] <Quantos> So I need to open a terminal in that directory and then do what exactly?
[08:57] <hateball> I am not sure what command to properly launch gui apps as root in lxde
[08:57] <hateball> Quantos: sudo nano /path/to/file
[08:57] <hateball> ctrl+x to save
[08:57] <hateball> !tab
[08:57] <Quantos> Okay
[09:00] <Quantos> Do I need to reboot or logout to finalize it?
[09:00] <Quantos> Or just run the updater again?
[09:03] <Spitfire5> Hello! How to always start pcmanfm with double columns mode?
[09:06] <hateball> Quantos: just run apt-get again
[09:06] <hateball> Quantos: but I suppose you rebooted :D
[09:07] <Quantos> I wasn't sure how it worked
[09:07] <Quantos> At least linux has a nice gentle learning curve
[09:07] <hateball> :D
[09:08] <hateball> Quantos: Typically you do not need a reboot for anything but a new kernel
[09:08] <Quantos> Yeah, I remembered that after you told me
[09:08] <Quantos> :D
[09:09] <Quantos> Hmm, I even uninstalled the software and it's still throwing the error
[09:15] <Quantos> Wow, it just ran error free
[09:15] <Quantos> Thanks a lot hateball, have a great morning/evening eh?
[09:16] <hateball> :)
[13:05] <ubone> 	in openbox/rc.conf can both shifts execute a command, s-s is interpreted as shift+S
[16:40] <poldracker> tsimonq2: hello
[17:13] <NOOB__> Hi! um why did my authorized keys directory get deleted upon reboot?
[17:38] <NOOB__> lol file not directory
[17:38] <NOOB__> well the file is empty
[17:39] <NOOB__> i just readded key with ssh-add
[17:39] <NOOB__> and i look in it.  its empty.  but i can connect to remore server just fine
[21:18] <james1138_> Question for the chat about Lubuntu. Is there a reason LXDE nor Lubuntu PPA are pre-installed? Would there be a issue about adding PPA to the repository?
[21:18] <wxl> pre-installed? i mean lxde comes with every lubuntu.
[21:19] <wxl> regarding the lubuntu ppa, no ppa is supported
[21:19] <tsimonq2> ^
[21:20] <james1138_> What about https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=openbox
[21:20] <wxl> no ppa is supported
[21:22] <wxl> !ppa | james1138_
[21:22] <wxl> also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PPA
[21:22] <wxl> "PPAs have not undergone the same process of validation as regular ubuntu packages. End users install PPAs at their own risk"
[22:15] <Pinkamena_D> tried to install lubuntu alternate on a really old gateway solo. The whole installation process went well, but then when booting up I got the loading 'dots' and after that the screen went blank
[22:16] <Pinkamena_D> I can get to grub and I have tried nomodeset. Anything else I can try?


[07:03] <arighi> Moonspell, I'm not sure what you need to do exactly with for_each_process(), but maybe you can take a look at try_to_freeze_tasks() in kernel/power/process.c if you need an example on how to iterate among all threads in the system (search for for_each_process_thread())
[12:33] <enyc> hrrm.. is it expected that ubuntu 5.4 LTS kernel will address  new-amd ryzen-7  etc. compatibility?
[12:34] <enyc> or that updated kernel e.g. 5.8 will be needed for those systems?


[05:04] <tarvid> I have 7 breezy servers and 5 mandrake
[05:05] <tarvid> rdiff-backup version is different on the two sets
[05:05] <tarvid> i used alien to build rpms of the debs
[05:05] <tarvid> but when i try to install them on mandrake, rpm complains of a missing linux-gate.so.1
[05:06] <tarvid> any suggestions?
[05:06] <fabbione> meh?
[05:07] <fabbione> what are you trying to do exactly???
[05:07] <tarvid> run rdiff-backup on an Ubuntu machine to backup files on a mandrake machine
[05:08] <fabbione> ok and what is the problem?
[05:08] <tarvid> rdiff-backup fails when the versions are different
[05:08] <tarvid> rdiff-backup 0.13.4
[05:08] <tarvid>  on Ubuntu
[05:09] <tarvid> 0.13.3 on a Mandrake 10.x machine
[05:09] <fabbione> alien won't help
[05:09] <fabbione> find 0.13.4 for mandrake
[05:09] <fabbione> already in rpm format
[05:13] <tarvid> 0.13.4 is getting moldy and I haven't found one yet
[05:24] <tarvid> this is going to be an issue in breezy to dapper updates
[06:14] <tarvid> what would be the best way to suggest the upstream maintainers address the version issues?
[06:15] <fabbione> tarvid: mail them?
[06:17] <spike> fabbione: I'm running out of ideas, so I'm asking you as well: does it happen you know of any policy priority issues with cisco appliances?
[06:18] <spike> at isakmp stage, this pix doesnt go through the available policy but stops after trying number 1
[06:18] <fabbione> spike: no idea.. too long that i don't play with cisco
[06:18] <spike> ok, np, tnx
[06:18] <fabbione> sorry..
[06:20] <spike> unfortunatly the trend it's constant... the more I workon on 'em, the more I hate 'em
[06:21] <fabbione> that's why i gave up on networking :)
[06:21] <spike> and the cisco website is awfully organized... I couldnt find changelog for the pix version I have in hours...
[06:21] <fabbione> i know
[06:21] <fabbione> have been there
[06:21] <spike> fabbione: so what do you deal with now?
[06:22] <fabbione> ubuntu?
[06:22] <spike> if you gave up on networking I mean
[06:22] <spike> yeah, but not doing sysadmining at all?
[06:22] <spike> working as coordinator, devel?
[06:22] <fabbione> i do the bare minimum for my home network
[06:22] <fabbione> spike: i have been working for Canonical for the last 2 years (almost)
[06:23] <spike> I see
[06:23] <fabbione> and i do only devel
[06:23] <fabbione> the net/sysadm stuff i do is only for myself
[06:23] <fabbione> that's really reduced to the bare minimum
[06:24] <fabbione> but i did work as net/sysadm for a bunch of years
[06:25] <fabbione> time to stop for now
[06:25] <fabbione> later
[06:27] <spike> later
[11:00] <nictuku> hi
[11:01] <nictuku> after a long period, I've finally found time to work on the network wide updates prototype


[10:39] <kalikiana_> _salem: any update on testing the organization fix? https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/organizedCrime/+merge/316825 would be good to know if we can pass it on to the next landing
[10:58] <kalikiana_> daker: I added some docs to SortFilterModel https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/insensitivePattern/+merge/317537
[10:58] <daker> kalikiana_: thanks! much better
[10:59] <kalikiana_> t1mp: review, please ^^
[11:18] <salem_> renatu, ^ did you test the organization fix?
[11:19] <renatu> salem_, not yet, let me test it
[11:21] <renatu> kalikiana_, what is the silo that contains that?
[11:33] <kalikiana_> renatu: https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/2478
[12:21] <kalikiana_> daker: The components.api is still wrong https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix.1341559/+merge/317568
[12:22] <daker> kalikiana_: yes i saw it, he knew that i did lie to him :D
[12:22] <kalikiana_> lol
[12:24] <daker> kalikiana_: how can can i update it without compiling :D
[12:24] <kalikiana_> daker: Well, you can edit it by hand
[13:31] <t1mp> kalikiana_: happroved https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/insensitivePattern/+merge/317537
[13:31] <akhil_surabhi> hello, i'm trying to compile ubuntu touch from sources, i'm getting the following error, please help me
[13:32] <akhil_surabhi> Prebuilt apk found in PRODUCT_COPY_FILES use BUILD_PREBUILT instead!.  Stop.
[13:35] <kalikiana_> t1mp: Thanks!
[15:09] <daker> kalikiana_: fixed, if you want to trigger CI
[15:10] <kalikiana_> Done
[15:10] <kalikiana_> Let's see if he can get this passing
[16:28] <daker> kalikiana_: i still have other MRs if you want to look at them when you have time
[16:29] <kalikiana_> daker: Hand them to me
[16:29] <kalikiana_> I'm all eyes
[16:29] <daker> https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix.1630872/+merge/317806
[16:29] <daker> https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix.1665938/+merge/317804
[16:29] <daker> https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix.1665944/+merge/317712
[16:29] <daker> https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix.1665942/+merge/317711
[16:29] <daker> https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix.1486940/+merge/317401
[16:30] <daker> that's all :)
[17:22] <kalikiana_> daker: We need to talk about this one again me thinks https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix.1665938/+merge/317804
[17:23] <daker> kalikiana_: i was reporting a bug against ubuntu-themes
[17:23] <kalikiana_> Where?
[17:23] <daker> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-themes/
[17:25] <daker> basically the RTL back icon is just the "next" icon named "back-rtl"
[17:25] <daker> because the arrow needs to point to the right
[17:30] <kalikiana_> daker: That's half true. Those icons look like reverses of each other. But they are very much independent icons that coincidentally look like that right now in that theme. You don't know that it will be true in the future or with another theme.
[17:30] <kalikiana_> And trust me, I've seen this mistake happen before and icons did change.
[17:31] <kalikiana_> daker: So, the only future-proof fix is to add a back-rtl.svg to the theme. Even if it's a copy of next.svg.
[17:32] <daker> kalikiana_: i see, you mean we need a mirrored "back" icon, not a "next" icon, so whenever the back change back-rtl should be a mirror of it, right ?
[17:32] <kalikiana_> (And some themes even symlink internally. Which is fine, as long as it's in the implementation of the theme)
[17:33] <kalikiana_> daker: Yes. It could be that eg. back becomes thicker, rounder, whatever, and won't anymore look the same as next.
[17:33] <daker> kalikiana_: you are right
[17:36] <kalikiana_> daker: Are you going to report a bug for it?
[17:36] <daker> kalikiana_: yes
[17:40] <daker> kalikiana_: bug 1666607
[18:06] <kalikiana_> daker: Are you planning on looking into the icon loading side of it?
[18:07] <daker> kalikiana_: i'll try, is there quick way to test change ? or how do you guys test your changes ?
[18:14] <kalikiana_> daker: I think we might want the test in tests/unit/iconprovider/tst_iconprovider.cpp
[18:15] <kalikiana_> We can have test icons there, regardless of the real theme
[18:15] <daker> kalikiana_: i mean how do you "test" your change, do you have to recompile everything each time ?
[18:18] <kalikiana_> daker: Not sure I get what you're asking
[18:21] <daker> kalikiana_: to fix somethings which steps do you follow ? grab the code, fix the bug, compile everything ? how do you visualize the change ? how do tell the gallery app to use your newly built sdk, not the system one ?
[18:21] <daker> see my point ?
[18:25] <kalikiana_> Ah
[18:26] <kalikiana_> So: generally, yes, I do recompile the branch.
[18:26] <kalikiana_> There's a few options to use the plugin you built
[18:27] <kalikiana_> Unit tests and AP tests will automagically pick up the code from the folder
[18:28] <kalikiana_> You can use ./export_qml_dir.sh (if you use Bash) to modify your local shell
[18:29] <kalikiana_> Or ./gallery.sh
[18:29] <kalikiana_> ^^ daker
[18:29] <daker> ok i see
[18:30] <daker> thanks kalikiana_
[18:31] <daker> for horizontalAlignment, why do you think it's incorrect ?
[18:35] <kalikiana_> daker: I think using the value from Qt.application may not be the best option, since there are local properties as well. But I haven't personally run into problems where that matters, so it "may" be incorrect
[18:35] <kalikiana_> I'm basically trying to keep it in mind, not saying it's necessarily bad
[18:36] <daker> kalikiana_: ok, i see
[18:41] <kalikiana_> daker: Thanks for taking the time to understand my reviews btw. You're doing an outstanding amount of fixes these days. Very happy to work with you!
[18:43] <daker> kalikiana_: thanks, i am not an expert in the field but i just try to understand the comments maybe i am not doing/understanding things as they should
[18:46] <daker> kalikiana_: so i'll need to rely on QGuiApplication::isRightToLeft() to test if we are on RTL or not right ?
[18:48] <kalikiana_> daker: Yup
[18:49] <daker> kalikiana_: ok, do you have an example the full string image://scaling/scale/path ?
[18:50] <daker> path ends with an extension i would say
[18:54] <daker> nvm i see an example on the file :D image://scaling/0.5/arrow.png
[18:56] <daker> so here if we are in RTL i would split the path/extension add -rtl to path[0], if it exists load it normally otherwise load the original path
[18:57] <daker> kalikiana_: ^
[18:57] <kalikiana_> daker: Yes
[18:57] <kalikiana_> Sounds right
[18:57] <daker> kalikiana_: excellent