[04:03] <MauroGaspari[m]> uhh Eickmeyer remember that bug I was complaining about earlier? freeze after grub, when using lowlatency kernel?
[04:03] <MauroGaspari[m]> It seems to be fixed. I installed updates to 5.8.0-41-lowlatency on both Ubuntu studio 21.04 and Ubuntu Budgie (with studio tools) 21.04. and both are running great now. I did full shutdowns and reboots more than I can count, not a single hang.
[04:04] <MauroGaspari[m]> I don't know who to thank for that, but I am a happy geek today 😅🥳
[14:45]  * OvenWerks didn't notice this behaviour... but only booted a few times yesterday
[14:48] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: (and anyone who cares) I did some testing yesterday in 21.04 of pipewire... I need to do a lot more as pw is installed in 21.04 by default and I think will end up being the only audio setup that will work with wayland properly (and flatpack which will likely replace snaps)
[14:51] <OvenWerks> From the docs, if Jack asks for a device from PW (assuming pw in jack mode) pw will give jack that device and create a jack-jack (or pw-jack) bridge which at least on the pw side, will be called by that device name.
[14:55] <OvenWerks> from my observations, this at least means that starting jack for the express purpose of using a firewire device as master does not auto create a pw-jack bridge because pw never gets to see the FW device because alsa can't load the module.
[14:55] <OvenWerks> therefor no bridge. I am sure such a bridge can be created though.
[14:56] <OvenWerks> manually that is.
[14:59] <OvenWerks> So I had two default jack servers running with completely different graphs.
[15:01] <OvenWerks> That is two instances of Carla running with the patch bay showing different devices and applications
[15:02] <OvenWerks> this testing so far has been using pw-jack carla to start an application to us pw-jack.
[15:05] <OvenWerks> However, normal use and probably as installed down the road, is to not have to do that but have libpw-jack replace libjack as the libjack applications will see.
[15:09] <OvenWerks> I think this would mean that jackd or jackdbus would not start at all unless the server name was set to !default and that any jack client would use the pw jack instance only. I think this is true even for applications that can set the jack server name.
[15:13] <OvenWerks> This means that jack would only be of use for loading backends that pw can't handle or that some switch or environment variables would have to be set when running non-pipewire jack clients.
[15:18] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Good info.
[15:18] <OvenWerks> if pw can truely replace jack except for backends this is probably ok
[15:18]  * Eickmeyer is reading backscroll
[15:19] <Eickmeyer> Well, the version we have in our repos (synced from Debian) isn't as current as in Fedora, so I'm guessing there's still a little more left to trickle in.
[15:19] <OvenWerks> The other surprising thing was that pw opened my 12/10 i/o device as 4/2
[15:20] <Eickmeyer> Happy surprise there.
[15:20] <OvenWerks> our version is only a month old
[15:20] <Eickmeyer> I was understanding that PW was supposed to be a complete 1:1 replacement for Jack and Pulse, meaning neither of those engines running with PW doing all the work.
[15:21] <OvenWerks> and many of the problems I see are not likely to change
[15:21] <Eickmeyer> Well, probably not before release, but if wtay is kept up-to-date on these things, I'm sure it will get better.
[15:23] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I understand that, however, with ALSA fw broken in the current kernels and the ffado drivers provide so much more stability (more than alsa with a good USB device) jack will be around for a while yet
[15:23] <Eickmeyer> That's fair. For 21.10 might be worth making some sort of switch in studio-controls to switch all backend to FW?
[15:23] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: fw may be considered outdated, but there is nothing out there that can replace it.
[15:23] <Eickmeyer> er.. PW?
[15:24] <OvenWerks> so there are a lot of people hanging on to their units
[15:24] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: my basic conclusion is that studio-controls or something like it will continue to be useful with PW
[15:24] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I understand that. Keeping it around is a good idea. I don't mean we should throw the baby out with the bathwater, I'm just trying to figure out a way to make any PW transition easy.
[15:27] <OvenWerks> pw has some good things going for it for sure and desktop audio mixed with jack clients will work better
[15:28] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: in other news, is it possible in 21.04 to have system warning sounds turned off be default?
[15:28] <Eickmeyer> Hmmmm....
[15:28] <OvenWerks> I don't think we really addressed this since the switch to plasma
[15:29] <OvenWerks> certainly having a full volume bell in the middle of a recording is just really bad
[15:29] <Eickmeyer> I'm not 100% sure that's possible. That would take making some global config files. Some settings take for global, others don't. I'm not sure where the system sounds lie on that front. I'd have to experiement.
[15:30] <OvenWerks> ok
[15:30]  * OvenWerks was startled in the dark last night by a very loud bell
[15:32] <Eickmeyer> System Settings > Audio > Applications > Notification Sounds (to 0) would do the trick on a per-user basis, but I'm not sure it would take in a global default.
[15:35] <Eickmeyer> FYI, I'm in the process of moving, so somewhat incommunicado and unavailable for the most part throughout the day.
[16:02] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I figured something. SO found your own place then.
[16:03] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, we ended up moving into an apartment. The banks wouldn't accept my income for a mortgage.
[16:06] <OvenWerks> saving time. once you have a big enoough down they don't care so much
[16:13] <Eickmeyer> Yep.
[17:14] <wonko> What's wrong with your income? not enough or self employed (i understand that's a pain in the ass)
[19:55] <Eickmeyer> wonko: It's considered self-employment even though I'm under an at-will contract. Really no difference except 1) no pay stub, 2) taxes get reported differently.


[00:14] <RikMills[m]> oh, I did not realise I had done that typo :D
[00:14] <RikMills[m]> s/noe/one
[00:14] <RikMills[m]> obviously :P
[00:20] <mmikowski> haha, ok.
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[17:27] <mmikowski> RikMills[m]: The plan is to get it working on a Cubic ISO first, then work back to packaging from there. Is there a specific repo you want this in?


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[01:04] <[Relic]> does xubuntu automatically compensate for the logitech g300 mouse now or do I need the bash info yet?
[01:22] <delt_> hello
[01:23] <delt_> very nice distribution btw, thanks!
[01:23] <delt_> question: how do i change the fbconsole (and grub) video mode? it's using like 1600x1200 mode or something
[01:24] <delt_> also, there's no /etc/inittab ...????
[01:27] <Unit193> You'd change it in /etc/default/grub and sudo update-grub
[01:27] <Unit193> !inittab
[01:36] <delt_> thanks for the info :D
[01:39] <delt_> i see upstart was first developed/used on ubuntu, around 2006, right?
[01:40] <Unit193> Was first an Ubuntu thing, yes.
[05:43] <[Relic]> is there a find file somewhere on xubuntu?
[05:43] <Unit193> You can use find or locate, or catfish if you want gui.
[05:44] <[Relic]> found catfish, ctrl-f popped up something in the file manager but seemed to do nothing
[05:45] <baizon> [Relic]: open terminal, run sudo updatedb
[05:45] <baizon> then try catfish :)
[05:45] <Mathsterk> i'm thinking about getting more ram, do you think xubuntu would like it or nag on me?
[05:46] <baizon> my xubuntu is using 400MB RAM :)
[05:46] <baizon> and im using zeitgeist
[05:46] <Unit193> As long as the system supports the ram, it'll be good.
[05:47] <Mathsterk> baizon: 512 here :P
[05:47] <baizon> i got 4GB :)
[05:48] <Mathsterk> i upgraded when i had windows one time, it didn't like it very well :P
[05:48] <baizon> ok so more ram would be good
[05:48] <baizon> windows xp you need at least 1GB RAM
[05:48] <[Relic]> quad core with 4G here, first time I reinstalled an OS since I built it in 08
[05:49] <Mathsterk> i got a dead laptop here, it has 2*512 mb ddr :D (my laptop has 2*256 ddr)
[05:49] <Mathsterk> brb, restart, the upgrade is complete :)
[05:50] <[Relic]> built a stand up work desk so I figured I might as well try a new OS while I was redoing everything for my computer  :)
[06:00] <Mathsterk> booting was _slower_, but overall, it is faster :D
[10:54] <al1> I'm having some trouble installing .bin files. Can anybody help.
[11:13] <astraljava> And you, what, waited for how many minutes for that help?
[11:13] <Mathsterk> 4:06
[11:14] <astraljava> Wow. Probably not a record, but close.
[11:16] <Unit193> No, I've seen less than 30 seconds.
[11:16] <psycho_oreos> how about attention span of a fruit fly?
[11:17]  * psycho_oreos has seen 5 seconds
[11:17] <psycho_oreos> time must be money to them :)
[11:23] <MissVera> Anyone around?
[11:27] <MissVera> If you were to download Xubuntu, which version should you get?
[11:27] <psycho_oreos> latest?
[11:28] <psycho_oreos> not everyone's use case are exactly the same
[11:29] <MissVera> If you were to download Xubuntu, which version should you get? 8.10 but i didnt know about the others
[11:29] <MissVera> ew, copied.
[11:29] <MissVera> Im trying to figure out if i should switch over from puppy linux, and someone recommended xubuntu
[11:31] <psycho_oreos> xubuntu's versioning is exactly identical to that of {k,l}ubuntu. The latest iinm is 12.04
[11:31] <psycho_oreos> err identical as in they release it by year.month as version
[11:32] <psycho_oreos> 8.10 would be like October 2008 release.. vs 12.04 which is April 2012
[11:33] <psycho_oreos> and you still haven't really described your use case. Coming from puppy linux, I'm guessing you are planning to run xubuntu on either a fairly old hardware (with limited resources) and/or embedded hardware
[11:35] <MissVera> yes
[11:35] <MissVera> Old
[11:35] <MissVera> But, the people in #linux thought with my hardware, I may be able to run Ubuntu and to just go with that
[11:36] <MissVera> Its for a kids computer. So. Surfing the web, skype video chat, and a few games
[11:38] <psycho_oreos> I'm guessing its #linux from another IRC network. Well I guess you can probably run xubuntu but you haven't given me the specifications, I'd assume you might be able to get away with some simple games
[11:38] <Unit193> !8.10|It doesn't get any updates, security or otherwise
[11:41] <MissVera> im just trying to find one that i know supports skype For Sure.
[11:42] <MissVera> I started with lubuntu first, had so many issues with it, i gave up and moved to puppy, and then while trying to resolve an issue with puppy, was told to try xubuntu  >.>
[11:42] <psycho_oreos> skype is fairly demanding on both the host computer's resources as well as support. Version 8.10 won't get you very far
[11:42] <MissVera> ... Im not hung up on that release, its just the only one ive noticed can run skype
[11:43] <MissVera> Im trying to ask...
[11:43] <psycho_oreos> the latter versions might, skype isn't open source afaik which generally makes support flaky.
[11:46] <Mathsterk> MissVera: i tried skype with 10.04(?) on a notebook, it worked perfectly, i think it was 1,5 years ago or something
[11:46] <Mathsterk> netbook*
[11:47] <psycho_oreos> !skype
[11:48] <Mathsterk> MissVera: btw, what hardware do you got?
[11:53] <Mathsterk> oooooh, the new sound manager in 12.04, i love it :D
[11:54] <MissVera> erhm
[11:54] <MissVera> One sec. Sorry. was asking people in #linux something...   Some of them are just condescending pricks that tell me to go away since i dont know anything about linux
[11:55] <Mathsterk> ok, better than my netbook, it should handle xubuntu + skype good
[11:57] <psycho_oreos> and it wouldn't have any issues running the latest either with that sort of hardware specs
[11:58] <MissVera> Someone told me I MIGHT be able to run actual Ubuntu, but I dunno :/   Is there a major difference between the two?
[11:58] <Mathsterk> my experience is that ubuntu is heavier than xubuntu
[12:00] <psycho_oreos> ubuntu has gnome frontend as opposed to xubuntu's xfce frontend. They share the same base otherwise
[12:00] <psycho_oreos> and lubuntu is just ubuntu with lxde instead of gnome
[12:01] <psycho_oreos> UI is fairly similar in gnome (old variants, not the current iteration of ubuntu for that matter) for xfce
[12:01] <MissVera> Oh! I tried The newer Fedora first, and that gnome wouldnt run, does that mean the newer Ubuntu wouldnt work right?
[12:02] <psycho_oreos> no the newer ubuntu has unity interface, which to a fair few, ugly. They had unity since 11.10 or something iinm
[12:02] <psycho_oreos> and fedora may have gnome 3 iinm
[12:04] <MissVera> yeah. its gnome 3
[12:04] <psycho_oreos> btw, gnome wouldn't run wouldn't mean it would be gnome's fault. Remember, gnome is just a UI, the underlying process that renders the GUI is Xorg. Xorg allows users to have GUI interface however things may not work ideally all the time for any situation
[12:06] <psycho_oreos> I'm certain that the latter ubuntu (>11.04) would've had gnome 3 except they added unity on top of that. Supposedly one can return to the classic mode which gives the user gnome 3 UI instead
[12:07] <MissVera> Wow the people in Linux are elitist pricks
[12:07] <MissVera> I dont want to read reviews and wikis and how tos anymore. I want to speak to an actual person to have actual questions answered...
[12:08] <Mathsterk> MissVera: try xubuntu, if it doesn't work, try something else etc.
[12:08] <knome> MissVera, recheck your attitude
[12:08] <psycho_oreos> heh elitists exist everywhere :) they aren't platform specific
[12:09] <MissVera> The Channel in IRC.
[12:09] <MissVera> There is no attitude to check.  asked for an opinion, Politely, and got reamed.
[12:10] <Mathsterk> MissVera: that's like saying "there is water in the sea"
[12:10] <knome> MissVera, skype works for many with the 12.04 release. that's all we can say. is there any other support question you have?
[12:11] <MissVera> I've been trying for Four Days to get these computers running for these kids,
[12:11] <MissVera> No. none. I'm . I give up.
[12:13] <Mathsterk> lol
[12:13] <Mathsterk> well skype works perfectly on this box :)
[12:17] <psycho_oreos> you can't crack rubik's cube without an open mind :)
[12:21] <Mathsterk> :P
[13:19] <ebonygeek45> anyone here
[13:37] <chagmaier> hello!
[13:38] <chagmaier> Does the Xubuntu Desktop ISO require PXE?
[13:42] <Unit193> PAE? Not 12.04, but most newer computers have it, I take it yours doesn't?
[13:43] <chagmaier> No, its an older laptop.  Pentium M processor
[13:43] <chagmaier> *PAE Rather, Thanks!
[13:44] <Unit193> Some PMs have it, some don't.  I was lucky enough to have one that does.
[13:44] <Unit193> 12.10 won't have that option at all, IIRC.
[13:45] <knome> that's correct
[13:45] <knome> but you can still upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 and have non-pae
[13:46] <chagmaier> Thanks a ton!
[14:10] <Marzata> why ntp is not working in xubuntu 12.04? any fix?
[17:39] <Wizard> o/
[18:01] <[Relic]> easiest way to find the files with differences in two large sets of sub dirs (should just be file sizes or missing files) is....?
[18:35] <delt> Hello
[18:36] <delt> !xfce
[18:36] <delt> !kde
[18:39] <delt> oh yeah, that's what i wanted to ask.... what is up with my /etc/resolv.conf containing just the loopback??? however looking up hosts, using the internet etc. works fine???
[18:39]  * delt confuzzled.... :3
[18:42] <Unit193> !resvolconf
[18:43] <Unit193> !resolvconf
[18:43] <Unit193> Bah, but that's for cacheing.
[18:44] <delt> ah got it -- "Anyone whos been using 12.04 over the past month or so may have noticed some pretty significant changes in the way we do DNS resolving in Ubuntu."
[18:45] <delt> in which context a hook is like a callback function, but instead in form of a script, right?
[18:46] <delt> (well, usually a script)
[18:51] <delt> so, in other news... when's the next release with xfce-4.10? :D :D
[18:54] <Sysi> xx.10.2012, or grab 4.10 from xubuntu-dev ppa (not officially supported but works well)
[18:54] <Unit193> 12.10 will have it.
[19:18] <Wizard> :)
[19:33] <bolten> just installed xubuntu and my mouse is really buggy. the entire window manager is unresponsive at times. anyone know how to fix this?
[20:07] <martinphone> help, I know how to change the names of file inside a directory with bash commands, for instance, untill the 1st or second - or _, but now I have 33 folders in which I need to get rid of "reinhart mey - ", is there any easier way?
[20:07] <martinphone> instead of going dingle dir by single dir...
[20:09] <shpank> martinphone:
[20:09] <shpank> #!/bin/bash
[20:09] <shpank> FILES=/path/to/*
[20:09] <shpank> for f in $FILES
[20:09] <shpank> do echo "Processing $f file..." # take action on each file. $f store current file name cat $f
[20:10] <Pici> a combination of find and rename will do this just fine.
[20:16] <cinch> resizing windows is pretty inconsistent in xubuntu, sometimes the mouse cursor doesnt change. the faq says to use Alt+right-drag, is there any other solution?
[20:23] <vjacob> anyone here who could help me find out why my Ubunto graphical user interfaces never gets past an animated load screen (text says "Xubuntu")? Running latest LTS Ubuntu.
[20:32] <martinphone> find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 sed -i 's/Reinhard Mey - //g', what about that?
[20:33] <martinphone> find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 sed -i 's/Reinhard Mey - //g'
[20:35] <vjacob> no?
[20:39] <vjacob> ok
[20:39] <vjacob> that's a bit of a bummer.

[20:43] <knome> vjacob, you can try the ubuntuforums and askubuntu while you wait
[20:43] <vjacob> ok, smashing.
[21:32] <xubuntu918> nice idea to add url to web irc while installing
[21:32] <xubuntu918> :)
[21:32] <knome> glad to hear you like it
[21:41] <xubuntu918> xubuntu = brilliant, I love your work guys
[21:42] <knome> thanks. enjoy!
[21:45] <mongy> it's the mutts nuts
[22:01] <[Relic]> is there a built in clipboard for this? not sure where anything is on x
[22:02] <GridCube> you can add a clipboard to the panel
[22:03] <GridCube> but you probably need to install the xfce4-goodies
[22:49] <Martin__> Hello, I'm having trouble installing xubuntu 12.04 on my laptop. It hangs every time just after loading the partitioning tools. Has anyone had any similar problems?
[22:51] <blackgatonegro> try installing xubuntu 11.10 then upgrade
[22:51] <blackgatonegro> thats the solution official support is giving.
[23:22] <roninn> hi, is it possible to get the list of software packages that are in the installation of xubuntu for example. lamp-server, www-server, ubuntu-desktop at later point
[23:22] <roninn> I forgot to intsall www-server and I'm lacking var/www
[23:23] <roninn> and thanks for the great distribution
[23:26] <genii-around> roninn: I believe what you're thinking of is tasksel
[23:29] <genii-around> roninn: If you want to get a list of what you currently already have installed: sudo dpkg --get-selections     ... to search for something by name or part of name: apt-cache search <name>  ... to see if a particular package is installed: apt-cache policy packagename
[23:29] <roninn> yeah tasksel is the piece of software i was looking for
[23:33] <roninn> or maybe it's not a good way to install with tasksel and apt-get and aptitude...
[23:35] <genii-around> tasksel is the best way to make sure you have all the pieces and their config files for the PHP,webserver and database
[23:36] <GridCube> roninn, check the xubuntu-desktop metapackage
[23:36] <roninn> I have xubuntu-desktop installed
[23:36] <roninn> but I'm missing var www
[23:36] <roninn> so I need lamp and www-server package collections
[23:36] <GridCube> !info lamp
[23:36] <GridCube> !lamp
[23:37] <roninn> tasksel helps
[23:37] <GridCube> !find lamp
[23:37] <roninn> but I don't know what is the right way to install those server softwares
[23:37] <GridCube> roninn, check the link ubottu just said
[23:41] <roninn> thanks


[01:47] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[09:44] <lotuspsychje> !no ltsupgrade is <reply>  Regular upgrades from the last but one LTS release to the latest LTS release, 22.04 "Jammy Jellyfish", are enabled days or weeks after 22.04.1 is released. This delay helps to ensure that any lingering issues are resolved before people upgrade production systems. If you'd prefer to upgrade now, use sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[11:44] <ice9> is it safe to upgrade from 21.10 to 22.04 or better to wait for  22.04.1 ?
[15:53] <teward> ice9: i'd wait for 22.04.1 for any major bugs to get ironed out personally
[15:54] <teward> doesn't mean i'm not going to deploy clean 22.04 systems (servers and such) but i usually wait a bit after initial release to let major major bugs that show up to get ironed out
[15:54] <teward> the only exception to those rules is when you *need* 22.04 for some reason (new hardware etc.) but usually the LTS releases are pretty stable even with that in mind.
[15:55] <teward> (or rather, i mean the previous LTS, 20.04)
[15:55] <leftyfb> the upgrade process won't kick in till 20.04.1 anyway
[15:58] <teward> ^ that, unless you do `do-release-upgrade -d` as lotuspsychje said
[15:58] <teward> but as i also indicated, I would wait until .1
[15:58] <teward> leftyfb: you meant 22.04.1 right?
[15:58] <teward> *hands leftyfb a coffee*
[15:59] <leftyfb> sorry, yeah
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> the factoid needs an update, as we will need it a lot
[15:59] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade
[16:21] <ice9> teward, when should the .1 released?
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> july i think
[16:22] <teward> august per https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-schedule/23906
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> kk
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> leftyfb: maybe in spam folder?
[17:29] <leftyfb> I was checking the web archive. It's there now. Just took almost 10 minutes to update though
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> ah
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> some of the -server guys mentioned LP mails in gmail spam recently
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> myself aswell, some newsletters
[19:21] <ice9> why firefox is only available in snap?
[19:28] <sarnold> because mozilla wanted more control over the shipped version


[00:05] <id-furqon> that's good,  thanks for the answer friend
[01:15] <Legendre> howdy folks
[01:15] <knome> hello
[01:15] <Legendre> having trouble controlling module loading at boottime.. an
[01:15] <Legendre> any takers?
[01:16] <Legendre> d..LP is loading, I want to load CBM insteal
[01:16] <Legendre> pqardon the kb issue here
[01:33] <Legendre> how do I contol mod loading at boot?
[01:33] <Legendre> my /etc/modules isn't being respected..
[01:33] <Legendre> need to not load lp, load cbm instead
[01:35] <brainvvash> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Loadable_Modules
[01:36] <brainvvash> it's a general question, so you could also ask in #ubuntu
[01:38] <Legendre> here's the deal.. my /etc/modules isn't being respected..
[01:38] <Legendre> changes there don't take effect.
[01:38] <Legendre> lp is #lp commented out, and cbm is added. I also updated the initramfs
[01:38] <brainvvash> did you update initramfs?
[01:38] <brainvvash> ok
[01:39] <Legendre> do I need to explicitly b-list lp?
[01:39] <Legendre> as if, it's not actually being loaded by /etc/mods
[01:39] <Legendre> ?
[01:39] <brainvvash> yes, please try that
[01:39] <Legendre> will do, bbiab
[01:55] <Legendre> Well, I've tried several different permutations of this, and nothing works. Can't stop lp from loading..
[01:58] <brainvvash> Legendre, look at /etc/default/cups
[01:59] <brainvvash> LOAD_LP_MODULE=
[01:59] <Legendre> hang on..
[02:07] <Legendre> You've done better than any other, got me half-way there.. lp is no longer loading. However, your instructions are a little out of date.
[02:07] <Legendre> the /etc/default/cups is deprecated, it sent me to a different file that had the lp mod loading stuff in it.
[02:07] <Legendre> I commentd out lp and that took care of it, left in parport_pc and ppdev
[02:08] <Legendre> but cbm isn't loading, tho it +is+ in /etc/modules.. so what's next? =)
[02:08] <Legendre> If you're using 14.X, take a look at /etc/default/cups - do you see what I see?
[02:09] <brainvvash> can you load it manually? also, check syslog
[02:09]  * Legendre needs to start an sshd on that other box.
[02:09] <Legendre> sure I can load it manually.. but here's the deal. The motor on the 1541 runs continuously without it, so I have to do it every time, lest I ruin that drive.
[02:10]  * Legendre has a CBM-1541 with PP & serial connection to the pc parport.
[02:10] <brainvvash> you could add the command to /etc/rc.local
[02:10]  * Legendre is a Commie dork from way, way back.
[02:11] <Legendre> suppose I could, but.. wtf is wrong with the prescribed method? Why is /etc/modules being all crappy and ignored?
[02:11] <brainvvash> we don't know
[02:11] <Legendre> If I'm included in the 'we', that's surely correct! ;-()
[02:12] <Legendre> Wow, adding a modprobe line to rc.local takes me back, lol.. to Slackware 7.x
[02:12] <brainvvash> so yeah, someone in #ubuntu may know what's going on
[02:13] <Legendre> And *buntu is like flying cars and hoverboards compared to the old way, of Slack, so it just seems kinda anachronistric.
[02:14] <Legendre> So would that be the rc.local under /etc/ or /etc/init.d/? =)
[02:14] <Legendre> WTF
[02:15] <brainvvash> etc/rc.local
[02:15] <Legendre> okey
[02:16] <brainvvash> the init.d one is the sysvinit service which reads the actual rc.local file on boot
[02:22] <Legendre> Ok. While I'm unconvinced of the elegance of this approach, it has in fact achieved the result.. so thank you, you topped the whole of the internet!
[02:22]  * Legendre bows to brainvvash
[02:23] <brainvvash> you're welcome :)
[02:23] <Legendre> no blacklisting or update-initramfs seems to have been required.
[02:24] <Legendre> it appears to be entirely down to the cupsd module loader, and the rc.local
[02:24] <Legendre> hard to say for sure, tho, as I'd have to back-track and revert any lingering changes to those areas.
[02:24] <Legendre> But the main issue was preventing load of lp..
[02:25] <Legendre> and that was certainly the most convoluted issue.. the fact that it's "loaded" by /etc/modules is a big old red herring - because it's NOT.
[09:18] <xubuntu07i> hi i have a problem with xubuntu (im french) when i install it , the home screen freeze i can't do anything.
[09:19] <xubuntu07i> the mouse don't moove , i can only reboot with the power button
[10:55] <max12345> Hey I just found some instructions on how to increase swap space
[10:55] <max12345> just to make sure i understood correctly,
[10:55] <max12345> dd if=/dev/zero of=/var/swap.img bs=1024k count=1000
[10:56] <max12345> this creates a file to be used for swapping
[10:56] <max12345> mkswap /var/swap.img
[10:56] <max12345> this formats it
[10:56] <max12345> swapon /var/swap.img
[10:56] <max12345> and this turns it on right?
[11:00] <brainvvash> max12345, did you read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq ?
[11:01] <max12345> brainvvash, I will now
[11:04] <max12345> brainvvash, ok yes, that's very helpful, thank you
[11:09] <brainvvash> great :)
[11:24] <xubuntu69> hi anyone can help me please
[11:24] <xubuntu69> i installed xubuntu , and i have some issue with my keybord and my mouse
[11:25] <xubuntu69> nothing can moove, it's the 1st boot
[11:28] <Tanya> Hello, anyone pls help. I have problem that my desktop split on 2 parts, second parts look lise windows lens, but without zoom. How can disable it? Didint find it in options
[11:30] <cfhowlett> Tanya, xubuntu doesn't have lens.  I suspect you are looking at the disabled assist enlargement.
[11:32] <Tanya> I try to find it control panel, but didnt find. But the second part about 30% of my screen and located at the bottom. and this part duplicate my screen
[11:33] <brainvvash> does a relog fix the problem?
[11:33] <Tanya> Nope
[11:34] <Tanya> Its look like option for disabled assit enlargement
[11:34] <cfhowlett> Tanya, system > accessibility
[11:34] <brainvvash> is the guest session affected too?
[11:38] <Tanya_> in guest session i have the same problem
[11:39] <cfhowlett> Tanya_, go to the xubuntu settings tab and check the accessibility options.
[11:39] <Tanya_> http://tinypic.com/r/2day2vm/8
[11:41] <user_> Hello all
[11:42] <user_> is this the right place for support questions and general help for xubuntu?
[11:42] <cfhowlett> user_, yes.
[11:42] <Tanya_> @cfhowlett I cant find this in setting tab:( can u say me how it looks like?
[11:43] <Tanya_> and did u see my photo of scren?
[11:43] <cfhowlett> Tanya_,  I did see.  wait 1 for my pic.
[11:45] <user_> thank you cf. how can i choose what icons to add to the icon tray on top right hand side
[11:45] <cfhowlett> Tanya_, http://tinypic.com/r/15chh6u/8
[11:46] <cfhowlett> user_, right click for optoins
[11:46] <cfhowlett> *options*
[11:48] <Tanya_> @cfhowlett. I have only mouse and keybord options in accessibility
[11:48] <user_> right click > panel > add new items but the item i want to add is a specific installed not default program which is not in the options
[11:48] <cfhowlett> user_, you can add a custom item to the panel
[11:49] <cfhowlett> Tanya_, logout / login for full assistive technologies
[11:49] <Tanya_> cfhowlett, thx
[11:49] <Tanya_> ill try it
[11:52] <user_> thanks cf i am looking for how to add a custom item.
[11:52] <cfhowlett> user_, happy2help!
[11:54] <Tanya> cf , it didnt help. i didnt get new options
[11:55] <Tanya> No hotkeys to disable it?
[11:59] <cfhowlett> Tanya, sorry, if my guess wasn't accurate, then your issue is a mystery to me.  ask again.  someone smarter than me will no doubt know.
[12:00] <user_> cf on my issue,i can see add new items and there is a search window when i click the plus sign but it will not bring up the icon for the program i am looking for (it was there before but i accidently removed it)
[12:01] <cfhowlett> user_, let me try my system
[12:02] <cfhowlett> user_, so Panel > add new item > and then ???
[12:02] <user_> and then i see the default options ,also can search for others but neither shows the option i am looking for
[12:04] <Tanya> Anyone pls help disable it !! http://tinypic.com/r/2day2vm/8
[12:05] <cfhowlett> user_, now I see what you're fighting with.  I don't see workaround yet ...
[12:05] <cfhowlett> user_, found it.
[12:05] <cfhowlett> user_, add new items > Launcher.  then edit the launcher for the program you want
[12:35] <john8cs> Hello guys. I want to make my xubuntu windows decoration not to have "rounded borders" . How can i do it? Thank you very much in advance :)))    ps. I know how to edit CSS , conf files etc, i just can't find where is this setting
[12:36] <brainvvash> john8cs, https://wiki.xfce.org/howto/xfwm4_theme
[12:37] <brainvvash> you either tweak your current theme or use another one which does not have rounded borders
[12:41] <john8cs> brainvvash: i am using "Iris" theme ( http://thevirtualdragon.deviantart.com/art/Iris-Light-Gtk-Theme-v1-7-428948909 ) but the top-left & top-right corners are rounded. I don't know where i can switch that to square. I edited all config files to "border-radius: 0;"
[12:43] <knome> john8cs, look under the xfwm directory, the borders aren't drawn by GTK definitions
[12:43] <john8cs> knome: where is that directory located at? thank you very much
[12:44] <knome> john8cs, under the theme directory
[12:44] <knome> eg. if you're looking at files in gtk-2.0 (or gtk-3.0), go to ../xfwm4
[12:46] <john8cs> well in /home/john/.themes/iris/  i can't find that dir.  i will look up on /usr/share/themes/
[12:46] <knome> john8cs, then it's possible that this theme isn't even controlling your window borders
[12:47] <knome> john8cs, what does settings manager -> window manager -> style say?
[12:47] <john8cs> knome: yeah. that's bad huh
[12:47] <knome> no it's not, it's the expected result...
[12:47] <knome> if it doesn't ship an xfwm4 theme, there's no way it can control the window borders...
[12:48] <john8cs> knome: in window manager it says that i am using the greybird theme
[12:48] <knome> right, then you need to edit the greybird window borders
[12:48] <john8cs> right :)
[12:48] <knome> or change to some other window manager theme that already has non-rounded corners
[12:49] <john8cs> i can see a "themerc" file in /usr/share/themes/Greybird/xfwm4/
[12:49] <john8cs> is that correct?
[12:49] <knome> john8cs, no, as i said, you'll need to edit the image files.
[12:50] <knome> john8cs, see top-left-* and top-right*
[12:51] <john8cs> grep -r "top-left-"  returns nothing
[12:51] <knome> john8cs, in the directory...
[12:51] <john8cs> aaaa knome yes
[12:51] <knome> john8cs, not in the file
[12:51] <knome> please read what i'm saying
[12:51] <john8cs> knome: sorry mate you are right, i found the image file
[12:52] <john8cs> knome: thank you very much!! :)))
[12:52] <knome> you're welcome
[12:54] <john8cs> knome: one last question. If i copy that xfwm4  to my .themes/iris , is it going to work? just not to break anything?
[12:54] <knome> it should work
[12:54] <john8cs> knome: great
[12:55] <knome> i'd create another theme folder for it
[12:55] <knome> to keep maintaining easy
[12:55] <knome> eg. ~/.themes/Greybird-modified
[12:59] <blb3383> 4.12 is about to be released,huh
[13:00] <blb3383> xfce 4.12 I mean
[13:04] <brainvvash> according to the mailing list, yes
[14:24] <xubuntu134> hey
[17:01] <Craxor> Okay, I am having a weird issue.  I am running Xubuntu 14.04 LTS.  My desktop is not loading.  The GUI works fine, but the desktop doesn't load.  As in it just shows my default wallpaper, no icons, and it is unresponsive.  It does not load after a while, it boots like this. Any suggestions?
[17:10] <bgardner> Craxor: Did you put anything in rc.local?  I've done that to myself.  Any entry there needs to terminate/fork or you get the behavior you described.
[17:14] <Craxor> I don't remember doing that, I'll give that a check
[17:48] <xubuntu69w> hello, i need help
[17:50] <xubuntu69w> anyone? i need help badly
[17:52] <xubuntu69w> ???
[17:52] <Adam_T> xubuntu69w: Hey, its usually easier if you go ahead and ask the question / state your problem. Then people that have ideas can jump into the chat and help out :)
[17:53] <xubuntu69w> oh ok sorry
[17:54] <Adam_T> no worries. It just helps the chat flow better. Whats the problem?
[17:55] <xubuntu69w> ok so i have a dell latitude d610(old laptop), i wanted to install xubuntu 14.02 LTS, but everytime i try and install ubuntu it gives me error 5/ errno 5...
[17:57] <xubuntu69w> i click to delete windows xp and to replace it with xubuntu, so now i have no os on my pc at all... ive download the .iso many times bit same problem
[18:02] <xubuntu69w> did i get disconnected?
[18:08] <xubuntu69w> i guess i got disconnected but heres my full question, i have a dell latitude d610(old laptop) that i wanna install xubuntu 14.04.02 LTS, everytime i try to install it i get Error5/ errno 5... also when i tryed to install it i click the delete windows xp and install xubuntu. so i now have no os working on my d610 please help(send help to my email if im not here<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[18:14] <spicypixel> any way to have the windows in a spanned taskbar across multiple monitors to have their application icon/title on the monitor they're on?
[18:14] <spicypixel> right now they're all bunched up on my primary monitor
[18:20] <xubuntu22w> hi anyone good with touch screen calibration ?
[18:21] <xubuntu22w> anyone here ?
[18:22] <xubuntu22w> does anyone know how to calibrate touch screen in xubuntu 14.04 ?
[18:25] <xubuntu02w> i have a problem
[18:25] <xubuntu46w> what is it ?
[18:25] <xubuntu02w> http://paulosserver.no-ip.org/xampp/ 403 error
[18:26] <xubuntu46w> sorry only new to xubuntu
[18:27] <xubuntu46w> have problem of my own !
[18:27] <xubuntu02w> sorry
[18:27] <xubuntu46w> cant make touch screen calibration permanent
[18:28] <xubuntu46w> really strange as have done it in ubuntu and the terminal gives out a string to paste into conf file to make it permanent
[18:28] <xubuntu46w> but xubuntu terminal does not do it for some reason ??
[18:29] <xubuntu46w> anyone got any ideas ?
[18:30] <Executioner> Is it possible to install Xubuntu (latest) alongside with Windows 8.1, while the system is completely in UEFI mode? including the partition table
[18:31] <Executioner> Also talking about a desktop, those oddly specific laptop drivers shouldn't be an issue
[18:33] <xubuntu68w> any knowledgeable xubuntu folks here ?
[18:33] <Executioner> In the #xubuntu channel? No. Not a single, by any chance.
[18:33] <Executioner>  /s
[18:34] <paddy_> hi
[18:35] <paddy_> anyone around to ask a question
[18:35] <genii> Better to just ask the channel in general and see if someone anwers
[18:35] <paddy_> k
[18:36] <paddy_> anyone know about calibrating touch screen in xubuntu
[18:36] <koegs> Executioner: i dont have experience with UEFI but i think it is possible
[18:36] <Executioner> Possibly working out of box with the installer?
[18:36] <paddy_> that for me executioner ?
[18:36] <Executioner> Also, is it now SSD friendly?
[18:36] <Executioner> paddy_: No
[18:36] <paddy_> k
[18:37] <paddy_> anyone know how to make calibration permanent ?
[18:37] <koegs> Executioner: i would take a look here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[18:37] <koegs> and yes, it is "ssd friendly", whatever that means :D
[18:40] <paddy_> when i use xinput_calibrator with ubuntu the terminal spits out the results to edit the evdev conf file thus making it permanent but xubuntu terminal dosent do that so calibration is lost at log out
[18:41] <paddy_> any suggestions ?
[18:42] <Executioner> koegs: by the wiki (why google didn't shown it in the first results in the first place) it seems to be working, thanks
[18:42] <koegs> paddy_: you have to manually add the conifg, xinput_calibrator does not do that
[18:46] <koegs> paddy_: https://www.thefanclub.co.za/how-to/how-ubuntu-1204-touchscreen-calibration
[18:57] <paddy_> thnks koegs but terminal did it in ubuntu and linux mint, it gave you results to copy and paste into conf file but on this install of xubuntu it dosent do it
[18:58] <koegs> paddy_: it does not produce any output?
[19:00] <paddy_> no i used xinput_calibrator in both ubuntu and mint and once calibration is done the terminal opened up with readings to copy but nothing in xubuntu the cal window just closes and calibtration is only active as long as you are logged in
[19:01] <koegs> paddy_: did you try to open it from a terminal and see if the output is there?
[19:01] <paddy_> no hadnt thought of that i just downloaded it and used it via gui
[19:01] <paddy_> can you tell me how to open it in terminal /
[19:02] <koegs> open a terminal, type "xinput_calibrator", hit enter
[19:03] <paddy_> k
[19:03] <paddy_> yesss !!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[19:04] <paddy_> cool thanks mate, love xubuntu anyway but this will make it awsome indeed
[19:07] <paddy_> ah ! forgot how to edit ' no permission'
[19:07] <paddy_> how do i become root ?
[19:08] <paddy_> or edit a system file ?
[19:09] <paddy_> what do i type in terminal to edit a system file as root
[19:13] <elfy> paddy_: in newer releases there is a pkexec profile, so pkexec mousepad /path/to/file should work
[20:03] <Akusari> hi
[20:37] <Morrog> Good evening
[20:38] <Morrog> My desktop icons (Xubuntu 14.04.2) are against my panel (see http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=22479)
[20:38] <Morrog> the right side of that image is after i change the desktop icon size to 20 and then back to 48. this shows the desktop as it should be. but on reboots it always looks like the left side
[20:39] <Morrog> I cannot figure out where i could change it. Does anyone have an idea?
[20:50] <Morrog> Thank you in advance :-)
[20:56] <dka> hello folks ?
[20:56] <knome> hello.
[20:57] <Morrog> hello
[20:57] <dka> can i ask noob question
[20:57] <dka> ?
[20:57] <knome> please go ahead.
[20:57] <dka> see
[20:57] <dka> i have this IRQ problem somtimes and the mouse is in skipping motion
[20:57] <dka> VERY ANOYING
[20:57] <dka> IRQ error bla bla
[20:58] <dka> only reboot helps
[20:58] <dka> how can i fix this :X
[20:58] <dka> im not advanced linux user, i just enjoy xubuntu
[20:59] <tgm4883> Just upgraded from 14.04 to 14.10, I'm now greeted with a black screen. Looking at dmesg, I'm seeing some systemd-logind errors
[21:00] <Unit193> tgm4883: Do you ever see lightdm?  How about logs in ~/.cache/upstart/startxfce4.log?
[21:01] <tgm4883> Unit193: no, it just hits a black screen. I see plymouth for a short bit then nothing
[21:01] <dka> ...anyone on my IRQ error ?
[21:01] <tgm4883> That log shows some fatal io errors on x server :0.0
[21:03] <tgm4883> Unit193: luckily, I've still got internet access on that box, should anyone want me to pastebin some logs
[21:03] <Unit193> tgm4883: Right, so pre-lightdm, that's even more fun.  Can you also check the logs in /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /var/log/lightdm/* ?
[21:04] <Unit193> tgm4883: Just to be clear, this is Xubuntu right? :P
[21:04] <tgm4883> Unit193: yes, I did an upgrade from 14.04.2 to 14.10
[21:04] <tgm4883> Xubuntu
[21:04] <tgm4883> 64-bit
[21:05] <tgm4883> and actually, I had installed 14.04.2 today from a clean install, so it's pretty vanilla
[21:07] <tgm4883> Unit193: hmm, Xorg.0.log shows it doesn't find any drivers, then no screens :/
[21:07] <Unit193> Figured I'd make sure it's not Myth.  So anything interesting in those logs?  logind could be the same errors I get which wouldn't be worth much, but if you want to pastebin them.
[21:07] <Unit193> Ah, well then.
[21:08] <tgm4883> http://paste.ubuntu.com/10377756/
[21:08] <Unit193> ...Did any xorg packages get removed on update? 0_o
[21:11] <Unit193> tgm4883: The upgrade should have made sure that and xubuntu-core were installed, can you confirm?
[21:11] <dka> come on folks - IRQ error before login causes skippy mouse :/
[21:12] <tgm4883> Unit193: no xubuntu-core
[21:12] <Unit193> tgm4883: Can you  apt-get install xubuntu-cre^  ?
[21:12] <tgm4883> yea just installed it
[21:13] <tgm4883> lightdm still fails to start
[21:13] <genii> dka: Perhaps consult https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingIRQProblems and report if anything there works or none of it
[21:16] <dka> 10q @genii
[21:20] <dka> anyone encountered this ??!
[21:23] <tgm4883> Unit193: I'm just going to reinstall from a USB
[21:23] <Unit193> tgm4883: Yeah sorry, can't think of what it might be right now. :/
[21:24] <tgm4883> Unit193: yea it's weird.
[22:13] <Jeez_> hi ppl
[22:15] <Jeez_> how to configure vidalia