[04:45]  * genii-around blinks
[04:46] <tonyyarusso> interesting
[04:46] <tonyyarusso> I remember Madpilot got accidentally K-Lined once.
[04:47] <genii-around> Heh
[04:47] <hypatia> i wonder if he just has that as his quit message
[04:47] <hypatia> he dropped off another network at the same time
[05:00] <Tm_T> quit message has this "Quit:"
[05:01] <IdleOne> Do we want to let staff know about him being k-lined?
[05:02] <IdleOne> which btw is FUNNY
[05:02] <nhandler> No need
[05:02] <IdleOne> k
[05:04] <tonyyarusso> If only there were staff hanging out in this channel that would be likely to notice.  That would certainly save a step.
[05:05] <IdleOne> I assume they don't spend all their time looking at this channel
[05:05] <Tm_T> tonyyarusso: we don't have staff here?
[05:06] <IdleOne> I count 8
[05:07]  * nhandler counts 13
[05:07] <tonyyarusso> Tm_T: No, none at all.  They hate us, and avoid dealing with us at all costs.
[05:07] <Tm_T> noooooooooooo
[05:07] <IdleOne> nhandler: with clones?
[05:07] <tonyyarusso> If one of them actually *talked* in such a sad corner of the network as this they'd probably be banished to Undernet.
[05:08] <nhandler> IdleOne: Not counting clones (assuming I counted right)
[05:09] <IdleOne> recount game me 11
[05:09] <IdleOne> gave
[05:10]  * nhandler did a /ls .*freenode.*
[05:10] <IdleOne> xchat does not know /ls
[05:12] <nhandler> IdleOne: PM
[05:34]  * genii-around kicks his computer, violently
[05:37] <IdleOne> don't blame the hardware
[05:41] <genii-around> IdleOne: There seems to be some mouse gesture I'm not aware of that closes my IRC client :(
[05:41] <IdleOne> so PEBKAC
[05:41] <IdleOne> :)
[05:43]  * genii-around grumbles
[05:51]  * IdleOne slides over coffee
[05:54] <genii-around> Mmmmmmmm caffeine
[05:55] <genii-around> IdleOne: I'm actually drinking Guinness now :)
[07:29] <jussi> hehe, Ive been klined accidentally in the past also.
[07:29]  * genii-around slides jussi a beverage of his choice
[07:30] <jussi> genii-around: at this time its definitely coffe.
[07:30] <jussi> coffee
[07:30] <genii-around> Coffee it is!
[07:31] <genii-around> I'm on beer now. It's like 2:30am here
[07:31] <jussi> genii-around: you should be asleep
[07:32] <genii-around> Probably
[07:32] <genii-around> I do have to be at work in something like 5 and a half hours
[09:07] <Danielcg25> That's cool.
[09:38] <genii-around> !ping
[09:39] <jussi> !-ping
[09:41] <genii-around> Hm. And I think poor rww is K-lined
[09:42] <genii-around> My Natty keeps locking up, sorry the !ping
[11:45] <LjL> lunitik: hi
[11:45] <lunitik> Why am I still banned in #ubuntu ? This ban has been active for something like 5 years now and I didn't even do anything wrong in the first place, just corrected an op
[11:46] <LjL> let me guess, that op was Seveas
[11:46] <lunitik> Yeah
[11:46] <lunitik> I think so anyway, I believe it was the person who wrote the bot  :/
[11:47] <LjL> yes. well you will have to wait for someone much higher up the ladder than me who can possibly remove that ban :)
[12:03] <jussi> Pici: Ive refered dpm to you because he wants some stats from -classroom, I thought your script was nice and you may want to share it.
[14:39] <bazhang> boxxy seems familiar
[14:48] <bazhang> Mahoru`Tsunemi, hi
[16:02] <Pici> !test
[16:05] <LjL> :)
[16:18] <mneptok> uhhh ... is rww still k:'ed?
[16:19]  * mneptok pokes staff without !
[16:19] <LjL> he got k-lined? :D why?
[16:19] <Tm_T> mneptok: I believe it's up to rww to send an email
[16:19] <IdleOne> nick spamming I think is what the bot caught him for
[16:20] <LjL> i would like to think that exceptions to the boring procedures can be made for well-known operators
[16:20] <IdleOne> I don't think it has anything to do about being an op
[16:20] <LjL> well known users then
[16:21] <IdleOne> ^^ that I can agree with
[16:21] <Pici> Surely if an op's account is comprimised we wouldn't want to let them right back on the network.
[16:21] <popey> or if an op has "gone bad"
[16:21] <Pici> "gone rogue"
[16:22] <maco> why does that make me think of Palin?
[16:22] <IdleOne> but yeah, he had like 6 nick changes in as many seconds and I think ( pure speculation) freenode bot caught him
[16:22] <Pici> Or "gone rouge" maybe :P
[16:22] <mneptok> 4 changes.
[16:22] <IdleOne> haha
[16:22] <IdleOne> right 4
[16:22] <LjL> the bot is way oversensitive
[16:22] <mneptok> but whatever. i hope e-mail is not too laggy.
[16:22] <LjL> in my humble opinion
[16:23] <Pici> It may have had to do with the number of channels he was in.
[17:27] <Pici> !away > randomuser
[18:06] <s3r3n1t7> Hi, am i allowed to use the #ubuntu channel logs for creating a bot?
[18:06] <ikonia> in what respect ?
[18:06] <s3r3n1t7> I'm trying to make it understand conversations and it requires lots of them
[18:06] <ikonia> will it output anything to the channel
[18:06] <s3r3n1t7> no
[18:07] <ikonia> I don't see a problem then with out current policy
[18:07] <s3r3n1t7> it will be the epitome of silence and cannot be abused
[18:07] <ikonia> sounds reasonable then
[18:07] <s3r3n1t7> great!
[18:08] <s3r3n1t7> thanks ikonia
[18:08] <ikonia> thanks for letting us know
[18:08] <tsimpson> s3r3n1t7: you don't plan on publishing the logs though, right?
[18:08] <s3r3n1t7> tsimpson, ofcourse not
[18:09] <tsimpson> that's fine then :)
[18:09] <Tm_T> s3r3n1t7: is it able to use already present logs?
[18:09] <s3r3n1t7> tm_T, not yet ... that's a yet to be implemented feature
[18:09] <Tm_T> oh right, that would make things a lot easier though, considering the amount of our public logs (:
[18:10] <s3r3n1t7> hmm yes ... that's actually a great suggestion ...
[18:10] <s3r3n1t7> thanks!
[18:10] <Tm_T> np
[18:10]  * s3r3n1t7 runs off to get new feature in
[18:11] <s3r3n1t7> assuming there are no more questions on this for me?
[19:00] <ray24> Oh whats up kids
[19:00] <ray24> Can I get unbanned
[19:02] <LjL> i doubt it, honestly
[19:02] <LjL> but i'm not an op so i don't know. meanwhile have you read the guidelines?
[19:12] <ray24> I rather talk to someone who has jurisdiction, not some junkie
[19:12] <LjL> for instance, what you just said doesn't help your case at all
[19:13] <Pici> ray24: From where were you banned?
[19:14] <ray24> I already spoke with the legal advisor from freenode nhander, and we made a deal to settle this with the op that banned me
[19:14] <ray24> therefore, LjL has no power in this discussion
[19:14] <IdleOne> nhandler is freenode's legal advisor?
[19:15]  * LjL rolls eyes
[19:15] <Pici> ray24: I'd be happy to take a look at the ban, do you remember from where you were banned and why?
[19:16] <ray24> I was banned from ubuntu-offtopic unjustly
[19:16] <ray24> by Idleone
[19:16] <IdleOne> I am not an op there so it couldn't have been me
[19:17] <ray24> Strange, I was sure it was you
[19:17] <IdleOne> you were mistaken
[19:17] <ray24> Dude, it was you
[19:18] <IdleOne> Dude, no it wasn't.
[19:18] <IdleOne> I am not an op there
[19:18] <Pici> ray24: I see that IdleOne removed you from #ubuntu-ops, but not offtopic.
[19:18] <ray24> This whole thing started because of you. and I remember the ban message "enough"
[19:18] <IdleOne> /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-offtopic list
[19:18] <Pici> ray24: That was this channel.
[19:18] <IdleOne> ray24: that was in this channel
[19:18] <ray24> oh
[19:19] <IdleOne> I am also the one who decided to remove the ban from here to give you a fair chance to return and discuss your ban in -offtopic
[19:19] <ray24> I have no immediate evidence of who banned me from ubuntu-offtopic as I do not recall exactly what happened
[19:19] <Pici> Well let me take a look. One moment.
[19:20] <Jordan_U> It was rww.
[19:22] <Pici> ray24: It looks like you were accusing people of hacking you in #ubuntu-offtopic, does this sound familiar?
[19:23] <ray24> That accusation still holds prominent in my memory
[19:26] <Pici> I'm sorry, something has come up at work here that needs my attention.  I'm sure another op here can help you with the rest of your case.
[19:27] <ray24> Thank you for assisting me as much as you could.
[19:35] <ray24> So I need to get in contact with someone who has jurisdiction over at Ubuntu-offtopic
[19:36] <ray24> Who will remedy the situation for me, so i can start chatting there again
[19:36] <ray24> It's very important that I get to chat there again, because I am very interested in the discussion over there.
[19:36] <IdleOne> None of those ops are active. I suggest you return here in about 2-3 hours when they are normally around.
[19:37] <ray24> In that case, I will implement your suggestion in my strategic thinking
[19:37] <IdleOne> sounds like a plan
[19:37] <ray24> I will be around in about  2 to 3 hours.
[19:37] <IdleOne> see you then. have a good afternoon
[22:14] <nhandler> Just to clear things up (for the logs), I am not a legal advisor for freenode, nor did I ever claim to be one. I also never "made a deal", I simply talked to ray24 and some operators in an attempt to bring both parties to the table to discuss the ban civiliy
[22:17] <bazhang> I read that as civility
[22:31] <Flannel> What brought that up?
[22:32] <nhandler> Flannel: A comment made a few hours ago by ray24
[22:32] <genii-around> Flannel: "<ray24> I already spoke with the legal advisor from freenode nhander, and we made a deal to settle this with the op that banned me"
[22:32] <Flannel> Mmmm, my grep-fu must just be bad right now
[22:32] <Flannel> Ah, misspellings!
[22:38] <mneptok> i was injured in a channel drive-by. i want to speak to Freenode's legal counsel.
[23:55] <IdleOne> heya Logan_
[23:55] <Logan_> hey IdleOne
[23:55] <Logan_> it's a stupid factoid:
[23:55] <Logan_> !test again
[23:55] <IdleOne> !test
[23:56] <IdleOne> I tend to agree
[23:57] <IdleOne> Will leave it for now and see what the other ops think about forgetting it
[23:58] <genii-around> Maybe it should suggest #test
[23:58] <IdleOne> genii-around: good idea, thank for volunteering to edit it.
[23:59] <IdleOne> thanks*
[23:59] <genii-around> Heh!


[08:13] <jenda> juliux: great!
[08:13] <jenda> juliux: you around?
[08:13] <jenda> juliux: I believe the stickers are in the making. You still want them, correct?
[08:16] <juliux> hi he
[08:16] <juliux> jenda,
[08:16] <juliux> yes i still want the stickers;)
[08:16] <jenda> good :)
[08:17] <juliux> i can pickup them in may if you want
[08:17] <jenda> I'll have them shipped directly to you from the printer.
[08:17] <jenda> aha!
[08:17] <juliux> cool
[08:17] <jenda> you could save a bit on shipping I guess
[08:17] <jenda> although not much, since they aren't printed in Prague anyway
[08:19] <juliux> ok
[08:19] <juliux> the ship them to me dircetly:=)
[08:19] <jenda> okeydokey :)
[08:19] <juliux> btw how much stickers i have ordered?
[08:19] <jenda> thousands...
[08:19] <jenda> :)
[08:20] <jenda> 5000 I think
[08:20] <juliux> do you remeber the exact number?
[08:20] <jenda> lemme check
[08:21] <juliux> thxs
[08:22] <jenda> 11:59 < juliux> jenda, we want 3000 ubuntu, 1000 kubuntu, 750 edubuntu, 250 xubuntu
[08:22] <jenda> 11:59 < juliux> jenda, for 330€ inkl. shiping to de
[08:22] <juliux> thxs
[08:22] <jenda> yw :)
[08:24] <juliux> jenda, i have an other question;) should i change euros to cz in germany or better in prague?
[08:25] <jenda> whoa
[08:25] <jenda> From what I heard, the best way is to collect CZK from an ATM in Prague.
[08:25] <jenda> It's what I do whenever I travel anywhere.
[08:25] <juliux> ok
[08:26] <jenda> Just be sure to take your credit/debit cards wivya ;)
[08:26] <juliux> in the paste i paid always with ec card in cz;)
[08:26] <juliux> i have no credit card
[08:26] <jenda> :)
[08:26] <jenda> and a debit card?
[08:26] <jenda> what's an ec card?
[08:26] <juliux> european cash card
[08:27] <jenda> nevah heard of it
[08:27] <jenda> does it work in ATMs? ;)
[08:27] <juliux> what are ATMs?
[08:27] <jenda> Kinda like a slot machine
[08:28] <jenda> except you always win, as long as you have money on your account.
[08:28] <juliux> hehe
[08:28] <juliux> ok
[08:28] <juliux> i will test that
[08:28] <jenda> :)
[08:30] <juliux> btw how was it this time in india?
[08:31] <jenda> hot and crowded, as usual :)


[02:18] <dobey> lauri: partitions are different, so you need tools from meizu to repartition the storage on the device, and also needs to have an unlocked bootloader.
[06:43] <brestows> exit
[09:46] <mardy> mzanetti: hi! I see you filed bug 1577002 -- it's essentially the same as bug 1454210, it seems
[09:47] <mardy> mzanetti: back then, what I fixed in OA is that we wouldn't remove accounts when upgrading an app
[09:48] <mardy> mzanetti: but if the app is removed and reinstalled, than that's a different story, and I don't know how to fix that (I think that the current behaviour is correct)
[09:54] <mzanetti> mardy, well, makes people not use OA when developing an app
[09:54] <mzanetti> because this is such a pain, implementing Oauth myself is easier than dealing with this
[09:54] <mardy> mzanetti: I'm not saying it's not a bug :-)
[09:55] <mardy> mzanetti: but I suspect that the bug is in QtC
[09:55] <mardy> mzanetti: actually, let me comment on the bug
[09:55] <mzanetti> please do :)
[09:55] <mzanetti> zbenjamin, you might be interested in this: ^
[09:56] <zbenjamin> mzanetti: mardy: well it was a requirement that after the execution of an app the system is left in a clean state.
[09:57] <zbenjamin> so the behaviour of uninstalling the app is correct
[09:57] <mardy> mzanetti: done
[09:57] <zbenjamin> but you can opt out in the run setting
[09:57] <mzanetti> zbenjamin, I always opt out of that. still drops my OA accounts
[09:57] <zbenjamin> mzanetti: then the reinstall drops then
[09:57] <mzanetti> zbenjamin, and I still disagree that it's correct behavior
[09:58] <mzanetti> I'd say it's a bug in the click hook thing that it doesn't trigger them when just overwriting-installing an app
[09:59] <mzanetti> also I'm not sure if dropping OA accounts upon app installation is a good thing to do...
[09:59] <zbenjamin> mzanetti: yeah i cannot do much more from the QtC side than not uninstalling. And that the new version of the app needs to be installed before executing is something we all agree on right ;)
[10:07] <mzanetti> zbenjamin, mardy: So. I unchecked "Uninstall after finished", ran reminders twice. the second time all my accounts were lost
[10:07] <zbenjamin> mzanetti: could you verify that it was not uninstalled?`
[10:08] <mardy> mzanetti: do you know if click keeps a log of its operations?
[10:08] <mzanetti> mardy, I don't know, sorry
[10:08] <mzanetti> zbenjamin, any idea how?
[10:08] <mzanetti> the script is rather quick
[10:08] <mzanetti> well, I can check if it doesn't unisntall after stopping it
[10:08] <zbenjamin> mzanetti: well after you stop your app, check on the phone if its still there
[10:09] <mzanetti> yes, still here
[10:09] <mzanetti> log also says: Sdk-Launcher> Skipping uninstall step (--no-uninstall)
[10:12] <mzanetti> just installing the package manually with pkcon doesn't wipe the account... weird
[10:13] <mzanetti> but clicking on play in QtC immediately wipes it
[10:13] <mzanetti> zbenjamin, ^
[10:29] <b0s3d> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes/OTA-10 line 108 word 3
[10:29] <b0s3d> Also worth noting. <- Also worth knowing. <-?
[10:30] <b0s3d> line 108 word 3 > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes/OTA-10
[10:37] <zbenjamin> mzanetti: hm let me see the command the qtc uses to install
[10:41] <zbenjamin> mzanetti: "pkcon","--allow-untrusted","install-local",options.clickPck,"-p"
[10:41] <zbenjamin> mzanetti: how did you install it?
[10:41] <mzanetti> pkcon install-local --allow-untrusted package.click
[10:41] <zbenjamin> mzanetti: meh, i might remember now .... The scopes require me when overriding a package to  uninstall it
[10:42] <zbenjamin> mzanetti: do you see that in the log?  Uninstalling already installed package (--force-install)
[10:42] <mzanetti> yes
[10:43] <mzanetti> zbenjamin, scopes should not require you to do so. did you file a bug for them?
[12:22] <zbenjamin> mzanetti: no, i do not remember the exact reason why i had to do this though
[12:23] <zbenjamin> mzanetti: so the reason was:  the scope may still be running and we need a clean state
[12:23] <zbenjamin> mzanetti: since a scope does not have a real stopped state this was required to force the scope registry to stop
[12:25] <mzanetti> I see
[12:42] <zbenjamin> mzanetti: shold we report a bug?
[12:42] <zbenjamin> mzanetti: something like "Provide a way to make sure a scope is stopped"
[12:44] <mzanetti> zbenjamin, I haven't understand why you'd need to stop a scope
[12:45] <zbenjamin> mzanetti: well if your scope is already running , pushing the same query to it again would just show a cached version, for example
[12:45] <zbenjamin> mzanetti: also for debugging it is essential the process is not running so it can be started with gdb attached
[12:46] <mzanetti> and uninstalling helps with that?
[13:06] <dobey> lauri: i don't know if the bootloader is locked on ubuntu edition or not; i would suspect it might be. you have to ask meizu
[13:06] <zbenjamin> mzanetti: yes, it forces the scope registry to stop the scope
[13:07] <zbenjamin> mzanetti: the scopes are sadly not that easiest to support because of their stateless nature
[13:07] <mzanetti> zbenjamin, I think they should make sure to reload the thing when it changes on disk
[13:08] <zbenjamin> mzanetti: see my comment. I suggested the same
[13:09] <dobey> b0s3d: how does one know which line is 100?
[13:10] <dobey> oh you are suggesting a correction
[13:10] <dobey> should be a comma i guess
[13:23] <b0s3d> dobey: select all, copy past > gedit
[13:24] <b0s3d> dobey: select all, copy past > gedit
[13:24] <b0s3d> Also worth noting. <- Also worth knowing.
[13:24] <dobey> no, it shouldn't be knowing
[13:25] <dobey> noting is fine there, but it should be a comma instead of a period
[13:26] <b0s3d> ok :)
[13:27] <daniman> Hello, I am new for using Ubuntu on phones, how can I limit my data usage? Anything I should disable? Because data charges are very high
[13:31] <MasseR> Have to say, ubuntu tablet wasn't a good fit for taking notes and flying a plane at the same time. (or rather the hardware I'm using)
[13:32] <MasseR> For some reason, vibration, heat or something it registered a touch event, even if my finger wasn't close to touching yet
[13:32] <daniman> Anyone???
[13:37] <Zic> hi, I am asking myself if all Ubuntu Touch CoreApps will be part of Unity 8 for Desktop? aka replacing all GNOME actual apps of Unity 7. do you have any clue?
[13:47] <pmcgowan> Zic, they are available for Unity8 but will not replace "legacy" apps for some time
[13:49] <dobey> pmcgowan: "avaialble"
[13:50] <dobey> i don't think they're being built as fat packages in the store, so installing them on x86 might require building click packages from source, and then installing those
[13:50] <dobey> at least, at the moment
[13:51] <pmcgowan> hmm, should fix that prolly
[14:33] <peat-psuwit> I'm working on camera-app code about supported video resolution selection. Which branch should I send merge proposal on?
[14:34]  * ogra_ always thought we get that list from the driver
[14:38] <peat-psuwit> ogra_: Originally when selected resolution isn't supported it'll use last one in supported list assuming it's highest one.
[14:39] <peat-psuwit> Problem is, on my device that's not the case. So my code loop over all resolutions and select highest one.
[14:48] <JanC> wouldn't it be better to sort the list before the apps get it?
[14:50] <dobey> sort what list?
[16:16] <peat-psuwit> Anyone with supported device: please go to camera app, switch to video mode, swipe the bottom edge, press "HD" button, and then tell me how it's ordered? (highest resolution on top or bottom)
[16:21] <pmcgowan> peat-psuwit, highest on top
[16:23] <peat-psuwit> pmcgowan: Thank you. That confirm my theory. (Because on my device highest is on bottom.) What device is that BTW?
[16:24] <pmcgowan> peat-psuwit, that was mx4,
[16:24] <JanC> highest on top here too
[16:25] <peat-psuwit> JanC: What device is that?
[16:25] <JanC> bq aquaris 4.5
[16:31] <JanC> do the Android specs say something about that?
[16:32]  * peat-psuwit looking up
[16:48] <peat-psuwit> I can't find anything about ordering.
[17:21] <dobey> 2703 1006      20   0    4808   2444    884 R  99.7  0.1 333:37.58 mm-qcamera+
[17:21] <dobey> well that's not good :(
[17:22] <ogra_> well, you still have 0.1% idle left
[17:23] <dobey> ogra_: i happened to copy/paste at one second of the top refresh when it wasn't at 100.0
[17:23] <ogra_> :)
[18:08] <robinhero> hey guys, can somebody tell me why there's no image for today in the rc-proposed channel? I'm waiting for some really good fixes :D
[18:10] <pmcgowan> robinhero, there is a bad regression we are trying to fix quickly
[18:12] <robinhero> pmcgowan, oh okay, is there a bug report where I can follow the status of this regression? Is it possible that you can fix this issue today? Or I need to wait until tomorrow for the new release? :)
[18:13] <pmcgowan> robinhero, we have a fix but there is an odd build issue, should be resolved today for a build tomorrow
[18:13] <robinhero> OK, thanks for the info
[18:13] <pmcgowan> robinhero, this is the bug  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1575184
[18:16] <dobey> robinhero: what fix are you waiting for exactly?
[18:18] <robinhero> dobey, the cellular data switch on the indicator and the Camera's controls fix in landscape mode
[18:18] <dobey> robinhero: the cellular data switch hasn't landed yet
[18:20] <robinhero> dobey, Hmm, you are right, I've just realized that silo only contains the new string, not the funcion. :(
[18:21] <dobey> robinhero: right, was to get it in for the string freeze on friday
[18:21] <dobey> (last friday)
[19:02] <nana_> what can i do about this? http://paste.linux.chat/view/raw/f9139ccb
[19:03] <peat-psuwit> nana_: run "apt-cache policy ubuntu-device-flash"
[19:04] <nana_> http://paste.linux.chat/view/raw/8e093297
[19:06] <nana_> i am running a livecd, can it have something to do with it ?
[19:07] <dobey> nana_: no, that shouldn't be the issue
[19:07] <dobey> need to find out what the other packages aren't installable
[19:07] <dobey> ie try to install android-tools-adb
[19:07] <peat-psuwit> nana_: OK. Go to "Software & Updates", then choose (universe)].
[19:10] <nana_> peat-psuwit: that did it
[19:11] <nana_> android-tools-adb got installed among other packages
[19:11] <peat-psuwit> nana_: glad to hear that.
[19:12] <nana_> bye ^^
[19:42] <nana_> i think i am doing this wrong lol, http://paste.linux.chat/view/raw/a8510aea
[19:44] <dobey> nana_: you need ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris-pd.en
[19:44] <dobey> not /ubuntu
[19:45] <nana_> thank you!
[19:45] <dobey> nana_: also, you need the recovery image
[19:45] <dobey> nana_: http://people.canonical.com/~abeato/avila/cooler/recovery-cooler.img
[19:45] <nana_> i have it on a usb, i have started the process, is it to late?
[19:46] <dobey> nana_: you need to pass that with --recovery-image to ubuntu-device-flash
[19:46] <nana_> should  cancel?
[19:46] <dobey> yes
[19:47] <dobey> and run with --recovery-image after downloading that link i pasted
[19:48] <nana_> thank god it didn't brick
[19:48] <nana_> ubuntu-device-flash --revocery-image /path/to/recovery-cooler.img touch --channel=ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris-pd.en --bootstrap ?
[19:50] <dobey> i think --recovery-image goes after touch
[19:50] <dobey> but i don't recall exactly
[19:50] <dobey> are you trying to flash an m10 which came with ubuntu? or one which came with android?
[19:51] <nana_> yes, it was to buggy
[19:53] <nana_> http://paste.linux.chat/view/raw/a0533b3f
[19:54] <dobey> nana_: you typoed the argument
[19:54] <dobey> it's recovery not revocery :)
[19:56] <nana_> http://paste.linux.chat/view/raw/38176696
[19:56] <nana_> (: lol
[19:57] <dobey> nana_: the device came with android on it or ubuntu? which one?
[19:58] <nana_> ubuntu
[19:58] <nana_> but it sucked, so i want to change it
[19:58] <dobey> weird. looks like the partitions are somehow wrong
[19:58] <nana_> it was like a cheap china copy
[19:58] <dobey> i'm confused
[19:58] <dobey> what was wrong exactly?
[19:59] <OZ6PMB> dobey: She couldn't install via apt-get on it ;P
[20:00] <nana_> everything, look, feel, bugs.. chess for an example or tuxrace, camera was buggy due to screen rotation
[20:00] <dobey> nana_: how do you think reflashing will help?
[20:01] <dobey> it sounds like reflashing isn't likely to help
[20:01] <pmcgowan> I think the intent is android
[20:01] <nana_> u_u
[20:01] <nana_> giving it a try might
[20:01] <OZ6PMB> Truth be told, the M10 isn't the "flagship tablet/computer" it was hyped up to be :(
[20:02] <dobey> i've not heard anyone use the term flagship
[20:02] <dobey> or tablet/computer
[20:04] <OZ6PMB> No they haven't, It's just me reading too much into the advertising material
[20:04] <d0od> it was described as "capable" and "the tablet that can replace your pc"
[20:05] <d0od> but yeah, flagship was never used
[20:05] <dobey> it is capable, and it can replace a PC for some people whose use of a PC is mostly what one does on a tablet
[20:05] <OZ6PMB> Silly me for assuming a brand new tablet in 2016 would run youtube smoothly on lowest quality and for believing that qtCreator could actually run on it just because all the developer advertisments showed it
[20:06] <OZ6PMB> I still really like it and look forward to the bug of the AltGr not working being fixed so I can start coding on it. Just wish May 25th would come a bit sooner :)
[20:08] <dobey> qtcreator can run on it. it's just a bit troublesome to do at the momemt, but that's being fixed
[20:08] <dobey> i don't know about youtube (and i don't have an m10 myself)
[20:09] <dobey> and if you want to install things with apt-get, there's https://askubuntu.com/questions/620740/recommended-way-to-install-regularcli-deb-packages-on-ubuntu-phone/623311#623311
[20:10] <OZ6PMB> I spent most of my saturday trying to get gvim and gcc running, (using that link and others) but I still need to just run vim from the terminal
[20:10] <OZ6PMB> Worst part though is the AltGr problem that is set to be fixed in OTA11
[20:10] <dobey> which, if you want to do CLI-only stuff, is the best option right now. if you want to run X apps, libertine will be the better option. when a few issues are fixed with it (should be in the next few weeks i hope), i'll update the answer for using that
[20:11] <nana_> freaking worked you guys! i am in the menu
[20:11] <nana_> :D
[20:13] <nana_> but same snack all over again
[20:13] <dobey> told you it wouldn't help :)
[20:13] <nana_> nmad
[20:14] <dobey> not sure what exact issues you're having though
[20:15] <nana_> micro sd is useable, and such things
[20:15] <nana_> useless.. sorry
[20:16] <CheeryLee> Hello guys! I'm still porting UT on my tablet. Now initrd boots successfully, but after it i get kernel panic. It says that i have too old kernel version (i have 3.0.x). What am I doing wrong?
[20:16] <CheeryLee> I have no newer version. :(
[20:18] <nana_> Thanks for the help guys, at least it was worth the try :)
[20:18] <nana_> take care
[20:21] <CheeryLee> Ohh, I completely forgot: I'm using Arch Linux on my host machine. Maybe Glibc is incompatible?
[20:22] <dobey> CheeryLee: how did you get 3.0? you need to build from android 4.4 which is kernel 3.4
[20:22] <CheeryLee> This is kernel for my Note 10.1
[20:23] <CheeryLee> I'm using CM 12 branch which is 3.0 too
[20:27] <dobey> isn't cm 12 supposed to be android 5?
[20:28] <OZ6PMB> poor nana_ Now she'll never know her card is actually mounted and that she just needs to activate seeing it in the file manager (for some obscure reason)
[21:26] <AuroraAvenue> https://www.bountysource.com/issues/30551831-no-caldav-and-icalendar-support
[21:26] <AuroraAvenue> 2 fiddy .
[22:18] <nik90> [=786
[22:41] <Acou_Bass> question - how often do the rc branches usually update? more for curiosity than anything


[19:21] <diddledani> messin' https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/GhD3nTdu/image.png
[19:22] <daftykins> o0
[19:23] <diddledani> IBM mainframe
[19:23] <diddledani> (emulated)
[19:24] <daftykins> o rly
[19:24] <diddledani> MVS is an OS from ancient times
[19:25] <diddledani> "First released in 1974"
[19:25] <diddledani> ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MVS
[20:02]  * daftykins wields a chocolate orange
[21:11] <m0nkey_> diddledani: I remember using RFE on a real IBM Z series mainframe.
[21:45] <m0nkey_> diddledani: let me guess, you watched the L1Techs video with Tron Guy?
[21:45] <diddledani> maaaybe
[21:45] <diddledani> I fancied seeing what it was like
[21:46] <diddledani> it's confusing
[21:46] <zxmpi_> i keep looking at the pipdp and have to keep telling myself no :-) https://obsolescence.wixsite.com/obsolescence/pidp-11
[21:46] <m0nkey_> My first IT helpdesk job, I had to manage users on IBM Mainframe using RACF
[21:47] <zxmpi_> of course being from 1975 it's just modern rubbish :-P
[21:47] <m0nkey_> https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos-basic-skills?topic=zos-what-is-racf
[21:49] <m0nkey_> mainframes are a total different kind of animal
[21:49] <zxmpi_> if you're going to learn cobol properly... :-P
[21:50] <m0nkey_> 2hrs left of my on-call
[21:50] <m0nkey_> and I can sleep tonight
[21:50] <m0nkey_> Since Friday evening, I've had about 7, maybe 8 hours sleep.
[21:51] <diddledani> even DOS is weird before version 3 - that's about when it became sensible and recognisable by modern standards
[21:53] <zxmpi_> when i started dos 3.3 was the business. new AND shiny
[21:53] <zxmpi_> ms dos AND ibm dos. ibm dos had way better manuals
[21:56] <m0nkey_> earliest version of DOS I ever used was PC-DOS 2.0
[21:57] <m0nkey_> And that was running in the 90s when I worked at my local Safeway. The computers upstairs ran PC-DOS 2.0 and all the checkouts running it too.
[21:57] <m0nkey_> And these things were never powered off for the entire time they were in use.
[21:57] <diddledani> those handsets for shop-n-go ran DOS, too
[21:57] <zxmpi_> yeah i did see some really old shit. cp/m on a few dozen systems
[21:58] <diddledani> they were netbooted
[21:59] <zxmpi_> oooh cpm netbook. systems with 64k of ram. first machine would boot off 5mb hard drive. and then 1 by 1 the rest would take their turn to load os and apps from disk over network
[21:59] <zxmpi_> *netboot
[22:00] <zxmpi_> about 5-10 minutes for system to fully boot 6 machines
[22:02] <daftykins> m0nkey_: what's kept you up?
[22:02] <m0nkey_> daftykins: I'm on-call this weekend.
[22:03] <daftykins> surely you still sleep Saturday night!
[22:03] <m0nkey_> If I recall, the Safeway I worked at use old school 10Base5 vampire taps
[22:04] <m0nkey_> daftykins: I wish. gotta keep them source control systems maintained, even over the weekends.
[22:26] <zxmpi_> the batteries in my psion have died. they lasted 25+ weeks. i request a moment of silence for their valiant effort :-)
[22:29] <m0nkey_> thats getting close to nokia battery life territory
[22:30] <zxmpi_> slightly more than 4 aa batteries a year, it's a real burden :-P
[22:30] <zxmpi_> gonna see if i can find lithium aa batteries to bung in next time :-D
[22:31] <m0nkey_> with lithium you should be able to overclock it lol


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[12:02] <tritium> ldd returns similar info
[12:02] <tritium> I'm expecting it to fail, but I'll try
[12:06] <herve> looking the priority list
[12:06] <herve> no one tempted to solve modconf? ;-)
[12:06] <dholbach> hahahaha
[12:06] <ogra> herve, go ahead
[12:07] <dholbach> with kernel2.6 yeah
[12:07] <tritium> I saw nvidia-settings on the list, and was going to take a look at it, and then I see daniels fixed it when I upgraded yesterday
[12:07] <herve> it will be entertainment compared to gcompris and qt/kde :-)
[12:18] <herve> looking at that clearsilver package... I have doubt on the mental health of either the maintainer or the mentor...
[12:19] <dholbach> herve: just don't try to see sense in it
[12:19] <herve> I do for choosing between fixing this version
[12:20] <herve> or using the new one with a "oops! removed non-existent package from my control file!" changelog
[12:23] <herve> dholbach, to be sure
[12:23] <herve> are we supposed to remove packages from the list, once working on?
[12:24] <dholbach> yeah
[12:24] <herve> good!
[12:24] <herve> I made no mistake :-)
[12:28] <herve> guys, I need you to be sure I have turned mad
[12:28] <herve> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=clearsilver-dev&version=unstable&arch=i386
[12:28] <herve> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=python2.3-clearsilver&version=unstable&arch=i386
[12:28] <herve> http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=python-clearsilver&version=unstable&arch=all
[12:28] <herve> what's the point of those empty packages,
[12:28] <herve> ??
[12:32] <herve> "added -fPIC for building. Should help to build"
[12:33] <herve> yeah... it's not like the debian policy said it as "must"...
[12:35] <herve> is physical violence against a DD in violation of the CoC?
[12:35] <tseng> id say yes
[12:35] <tseng> unless its preauthorized by the TB or CC
[12:36] <herve> it's like that clearsilver package could have been packaged by my grandmother
[12:36] <dholbach> i think most canonical employees never even read the CoC
[12:36] <tseng> -fPIC should be applied to every library w/o any thought applied
[12:36] <herve> debian QA standards, heh...
[12:36] <tseng> its absolutely required on amd64, mips, and probably others
[12:36] <herve> tseng, the debian policy clearly says it
[12:36] <tseng> good.
[12:37] <herve> dholbach, you mean I could ask a canonical employee to torturate that guy? ;-)
[12:37] <dholbach> herve: of course
[12:37] <herve> yoohoo!
[12:37] <dholbach> i recall at least 4-5 people kicking, killing and xyz-ing stuff
[12:38] <herve> if that guy is a DD, I could have been for years

[12:42] <herve> wasn't enough, I still to get my nerves on something :-)
[12:42] <tritium> heh
[12:44] <tritium> Well, removing the symlinks removes the lintian warnings, but the program doesn't run now.
[12:44] <dholbach> argl
[12:45] <dholbach> grm
[12:45] <dholbach> bad idea then
[12:52] <herve> dholbach, would you please upload that rott^Wwonderful clearsilver package? :-)
[12:52] <herve> heya koke !
[12:53] <koke> hi all!
[12:53] <koke> I'm at home again :D
[12:53] <dholbach> herve: of course
[12:53] <dholbach> koke: hellas
[12:53] <herve> koke, this means you're back for fixing the universe? ;-)
[12:54] <koke> herve: sure :P
[12:54] <herve> great!
[12:54] <herve> so we have all finish in a few hours now :-)
[12:58] <herve> now I want to play with modconf :-)
[12:58] <dholbach> herve: erm
[12:58] <dholbach> herve: could it be they just never built? those 2.3-modules?
[12:59] <herve> they can
[01:00] <herve> but the maint invented some clearsilver1 package he never created
[01:00] <herve> what the... kernel-source 2.2.25 is in the archive :-)
[01:00] <dholbach> hm, you seem to remove the python2.3-modules
[01:01] <herve> and install python2.4-module :-)
[01:01] <dholbach> i really have the biggest sympathy if you do that, but...hmmmmm
[01:25] <herve> let's pretend I haven't touched modconf at all...
[01:26] <dholbach> don't feel so obliged
[01:27] <herve> can I push it to the morgue? :-p
[01:27] <dholbach> don't think so
[01:29] <herve> dholbach, what is the number in parentheses next to the package?
[01:29] <herve> (in priority list)
[01:29] <dholbach> popcon rank
[01:29] <dholbach> popcon.debian.org
[01:30] <herve> er...
[01:30] <herve> are the most important packages at the top or bottom?
[01:30] <dholbach> top :-)
[01:31] <herve> hmm
[01:31] <herve> ho
[01:31] <herve> rank != score
[01:31] <herve> unless less is better :-)
[01:32] <herve> lamont, ping
[01:32] <herve> does anyone have an ia64?
[01:33] <ogra> herve, are we millionaires ? :-P
[01:33] <herve> not all of us ;-)
[01:33] <ogra> heh
[01:34] <herve> hmm
[01:34] <herve> kdebase should not be ther
[01:34] <herve> e
[01:34] <herve> it's in main
[01:35] <herve> move it the the mo... er I mean, remove it :-)
[01:36] <herve> the same goes for kdeaddons
[01:36] <herve> was something decided for kernel 2.4 packages?
[01:37] <ogra> they need to be in
[01:37] <dholbach> zul wanted to take care of those
[01:37] <dholbach> make them installable again
[01:37] <dholbach> or look which could be chucked out
[01:37] <ogra> probably hecould take modconf too
[01:38] <herve> who will otherwise? ;-)
[01:38] <ogra> fabio
[01:39] <dholbach> ok pals, i think i'm off for tonight
[01:39] <dholbach> see you tomorrow
[01:39] <lamont> herve: not really  here - need to run off for a while
[01:40] <lamont> amu:   kdepim-dev: Depends: kmail (= 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu5) but it is not going to be installed
[01:40] <lamont> is the new kdeaddons state
[01:40] <ogra> lamont, he's not here
[01:40] <ogra> lamont, -> -evel
[01:40] <ogra> devel
[01:41] <ogra> night dholbach
[01:41] <tritium> good night dholbach
[01:41] <dholbach> bye ogra
[01:41] <lamont> ogra: ah,
[01:44] <herve> I can't see what's wrong with svgalib1g(-dev)
[01:44] <herve> sure it's outdated
[01:44] <herve> but I still can install it
[01:44] <tritium> ogra, I poked amu about krecipes review
[01:45] <ogra> yup, i saw :)
[01:48] <tritium> cool :)
[01:55] <lamont> herve: which platform?
[01:55] <lamont> and package...
[01:55] <herve> ia64
[01:55] <herve> pidentd, a2ps and mpage
[01:56] <herve> seems they were blocked by these problems on the buildd
[01:56] <herve> pidentd could even be in the ia64 archive by now
[01:58] <lamont> grep svgalib_ buildLogs/Lists/hoary.all.*
[01:58] <lamont> buildLogs/Lists/hoary.all.i386:universe/libs/svgalib_1:1.4.3-20ubuntu2: Installed by buildd+terranova [optional:out-of-date]
[01:58] <lamont> that's what's wrong with svgalib...
[01:58] <lamont> it only exists on i386...
[01:58] <herve> I don't really know svgalib
[01:59] <herve> but what's wrong about it :-)
[01:59] <herve> thanks lamont
[02:18] <herve> night all
[05:55] <crimsun> ok, I'm going to go ahead and transition python-kde3 if that's ok with others.
[05:56] <crimsun> Will wait one day for objections.
[06:33] <schweeb> what's up tritium
[06:34] <tritium> Not much, how about you schweeb?
[06:34] <schweeb> trying to work up the energy to work on something before bed :)
[06:35] <tritium> It's pretty late already ;)
[06:35] <schweeb> yea, 11:40 already
[06:36] <tritium> yep
[06:59] <crimsun> evening you two ;)
[07:00] <tritium> hi crimsun.  What did you just fix for GhostFaceKilla?
[07:00] <crimsun> tritium: .desktop entry for vlc was installed to wrong location in debian/rules (d'oh!)
[07:01] <tritium> nice fix :)
[07:01] <crimsun> I wish all fixes were that straightforward ;)
[07:02] <tritium> yeah
[10:20] <trulux> heya
[10:21] <crimsun> I'm fine with the idea, trulux, but we need to go over them
[10:21] <trulux> crimsun: http://pearls.tuxedo-es.org/libssp/debian/
[10:22] <trulux> ogra: pitti commented to me that I can ask you too
[10:22] <trulux> hey doko
[10:24] <trulux> jezz, this ill is an asspain
[10:25] <crimsun> hmm
[10:25] <crimsun> 404
[10:27] <trulux> crimsun: really?
[10:27] <trulux> it's mirrored
[10:28] <trulux> immediate solution: http://tuxedo-es.org/downloads/libssp/
[10:28] <trulux> it's rsync'ed every hour with pearls.tuxe...
[10:29] <crimsun> any possibility that 2001:470:1f01:165::1 has a different config from <IP_ADDRESS>?
[10:29] <crimsun> apparently I'm hitting the ipv6 addr
[10:30] <trulux> then that's the problem
[10:30] <trulux> I will report it to OFTC
[10:30] <crimsun> thanks.
[10:30] <trulux> thanks for noticing it :)
[10:30] <crimsun> np :)
[10:31] <trulux> reported
[10:37] <crimsun> hmm, I'll just trick moz-firefox into using only ipv4
[10:43] <trulux> ok
[10:43] <trulux> hehe
[10:44] <trulux> have you got the packages, diff, dsc and original tarball? I can mail them so you don't need to waste your time
[10:45] <crimsun> I'll try and wget them from the mailing list post
[10:49] <crimsun> trulux: have these packages been added to MOTUToDo?
[10:49] <trulux> crimsun: ok, many thanks in advance
[10:49] <trulux> crimsun: not yet
[10:49] <crimsun> trulux: ok, please add these, thanks :)
[10:51] <ogra> morning
[10:52] <crimsun> morning, ogra :)
[10:52] <ogra> trulux, guessing libssp is a NEW package, it should also go on MOTUNewPackages
[10:54] <trulux> ogra: Ok, so, not in Todo
[10:54] <trulux> jezz, reversed TPE got in grsec a few time ago, and that was an idea of mine that was remove from vSecurity in it's first release :D
[10:55] <ogra> if you put it on todo, add a hint to it...that ist on NEW
[10:55] <trulux> ok
[10:58] <crimsun> will look later, have to jet back to work.
[10:58] <ogra> bye crimsun
[10:58] <crimsun> bye ogra, trulux
[11:09] <trulux> ogra: done
[11:09] <ogra> great :)
[11:23] <dholbach> hey!
[11:23] <ogra> hi
[11:24] <trulux> dholbach: qoo woo!
[11:24] <dholbach> :-)
[11:26] <trulux> dholbach: submitted libssp1 stuff to MOTUTodo
[11:26] <trulux> mot mot!
[11:26] <dholbach> it's a NEW package, right?
[11:27] <trulux> right
[11:27] <dholbach> could you then put it on MOTUNEWPackages, please?
[11:27] <trulux> it's in NewPackages page
[11:27] <dholbach> ah right ok
[11:27] <trulux> just my repo is in Todo page
 Ubuntu is really Debian on steroids
[11:53] <trulux> shouldn't that be the motto of the project?
[11:55] <trulux> me too
[11:55] <trulux> it would rock to append my one ;D
[11:58] <dholbach> hey koke
[11:58] <koke> hi all
[11:59] <koke> do you know if I already can upload?
[12:00] <dholbach> ask elmo if he added your key to the keyring
[12:01] <koke> hmmm, I think I should add a bit more of complexity to the list :)
[12:01] <encolpe> hi
[12:02] <koke> IMHO, WithoutDesktopFile packages have less priority than DoesNotBuild
[12:02] <koke> dholbach: elmo is 82 hours idle :)
[12:03] <dholbach> hrm
[12:11] <trulux> anyone reviewing libssp1?
[12:11] <ogra> trulux, there are a lot other packages on NEW...
[12:12] <ogra> i doubt we will have three free MOTUs before release
[12:12] <ogra> (regarding the more then 3000 unbuildable packages on the lists)
[12:13] <trulux> christ :O
[12:13] <trulux> ok, kein Problem
[12:13] <trulux> :)
[12:13] <ogra> gut :)
[12:14] <ogra> trulux, you targeted breezy anyway, right  ?
[12:14] <trulux> right, but getting libssp1 in Hoary might be a great thing
[12:14] <trulux> as my gcc patches are already in gcc-3.4 sources
[12:14] <trulux> :)
[12:15] <ogra> lets see waht we can do, but i cant promise anything....
[12:37] <trulux> many thanks in advance
[12:37] <trulux> ogra: NP, don't do it if it harms other Ubuntu work being done
[12:38] <trulux> If i must wait I will do, first we need to to get Hoary properly released, and I wouldn't like to an asshole that makes it harder to accomplish ;)
[12:38] <trulux> s/to an/to be an/
[01:15] <herve> hi!
[01:17] <dholbach> hey herve
[01:18] <haggai> guys what's the freeze policy for universe nowadays?  apt-proxy should be updated to newest version because I have fixed a lot of bugs since the current universe version
[01:18] <dholbach> haggai: update it
[01:19] <haggai> dholbach: k thanks
[01:20] <ogra> haggai, we are unfrozen until the last minute ;)
[01:21] <haggai> heh I thought that would be the case :)
[01:21] <herve> hi haggai !
[01:21] <herve> glad to hear you
[01:21] <haggai> hi herve
[01:40] <Treenaks> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/p/putty/0.57-1/putty_0.57-1_20050324-1302-ia64-failed
[01:40] <Treenaks> that looks like a problem on the buildd to me
[01:40] <herve> I have several like this
[01:40] <herve> I suggest we make up a list for lamont to check
[01:40] <herve> and give them a kick if necessary
[01:40] <ogra> Treenaks, thats before 19:00
[01:40] <Treenaks> yeah
[01:41] <herve> ogra, 18:57 precisely ;-)
[01:41] <Treenaks> ogra: oh, there should be a note on the page about that then :)
[01:41] <ogra> heh
[01:41] <herve> even more
[01:41] <herve> I'll change the wiki page for that list
[01:41] <ogra> yeah
[01:46] <ogra> guys please, please, please comment dholbachs apt-get.org mail, its important that we see as many opinions as possible
[01:47] <amu> moin
[01:47] <dholbach> hey amu
[01:48] <herve> Treenaks, done
[01:49] <ogra> hi amu, frohe eier ;)
[01:49] <herve> hmm... I wonder if the "can't build" table applied
[01:51] <ajmitch> ogra: replied
[01:51] <herve> hey ajmitch !
[01:51] <ajmitch> hi
[01:51] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[01:51] <ogra> yeah !!
[01:51] <ajmitch> hopefully I used the right email address ;)
[01:52] <ogra> heh
[01:53] <ogra> nice reply :)
[01:53] <ajmitch> thanks
[01:53] <amu> we've probably a new guy for packaging kde, i'll send him to here, he's very new on building .debs
[01:53] <ogra> great..
[01:53] <dholbach> cool
[01:53] <ogra> we'll push him into shape ;)
[01:53] <dholbach> MOTUKDETeam is just around the corner
[01:53] <herve> as long as he's not new to building itself :-)
[01:55] <ajmitch> dholbach: I wasn't using my gmail account for anything useful ;)
[01:55] <ogra> hehe
[01:55] <dholbach> ah alright, i see
[01:55] <amu> ogra: danke, wuensch dir auch dicke eier
[01:55] <ogra> amu, hehe
[01:56] <amu> motaboy: welcome, this is the motu channel
[01:57] <motaboy> amu: Hi :D
[01:57] <ogra> hi motaboy
[01:57] <motaboy> hi ogra
[02:13] <herve> Treenaks, I merged my list with the "can't build" table in the end
[02:14] <herve> erm
[02:14] <herve> latest putty ia64 build succeeded
[02:14] <herve> so end of the story?
[02:16] <motaboy> I've got a little question. kdebluetooth has it source dir called kdebluetooth-1.0_beta1 and already a debian dir that I'd like to change.
[02:17] <motaboy> the version is wrong. How can I call it?
[02:17] <dholbach> motaboy: what version would be appropriate?
[02:18] <dholbach> oh so it's a NEW package... does not exist yet for debian/ubuntu?
[02:18] <motaboy> dholbach: not again
[02:18] <motaboy> dholbach: the problem is that dh_make says that kdebluetooth-1.0_beta1 is wrong (for the _ betwee 1.0  and beta1)
[02:19] <motaboy> doko: but also calling it 1.0beta1 is wrong as 1.0beta1 > 1.0 for apt
[02:19] <ajmitch> perhaps 1.0~beta1 would be acceptable
[02:19] <dholbach> yeah exactly
[02:20] <dholbach> dpkg --compare-versions   can always tell
[02:21] <motaboy> dholbach: the problems is that I want to keep the original debian dir, create a .orig file, and then change it.
[02:21] <motaboy> to do this I tried using dh_make to create the orig file, but it complains on the directory name.
[02:21] <herve> let me suggest 1.0+beta1
[02:22] <dholbach> motaboy: no problem: mv upstream-tarball.tar.gz <package>_<version>.orig.tar.gz
[02:23] <herve> haggai, that's just this step?
[02:23] <dholbach> then extract it to   <package>-<version>  and if you run   debuild -S   (after applying your changes) you have a nice source package and a nice diff.gz which tells what you changed
[02:23] <motaboy> dholbach: Thanks a lot. I'll try!
[02:24] <dholbach> motaboy: cool :-)
[02:25] <haggai> herve: 1.0+beta1 > 1.0   - not good for apt
[02:25] <motaboy> dholbach: and the <package>_<version>.orig.tar.gz would have the new version i choosed, but I'll keppe it's dir to the original name?
[02:25] <haggai> 0.99+1.0beta1
[02:25] <doko> starting with breezy I hope we are able to use 1.0~beta1
[02:25] <haggai> ajmitch: using '~' causes problems with various tools
[02:26] <ajmitch> haggai: I thought those tools were fixed by now
[02:26] <haggai> ajmitch: I don't think so for hoary
[02:26] <ajmitch> and that it was only woody that had old enough versions to break
[02:26] <dholbach> doko: it should work already
[02:26] <haggai> ajmitch: no, there are other factors.  eg libtool breaks
[02:26] <ajmitch> nasty
[02:26] <haggai> libtool uses '~' as internal seperator and you get all sorts of problems
[02:26] <dholbach> oh
[02:26] <dholbach> hrm
[02:27] <haggai> that one might be fixed but afaik there were other probs
[02:33] <herve> how can I see the current list of packages with version on ia64
[02:34] <herve> some build issues seem resolved by now
[02:47] <doko> dholbach: yes, it works, but does it already get accepted by katie?
[02:48] <dholbach> doko: i recall a package using it... hang on... i'll ask mvo, he'll know
[02:48] <ogra> dholbach, ALL packages on backports use ~
[02:49] <dholbach> ogra: that doesnt answer the katie question :-)
[02:49] <ajmitch> ogra: you said the word!
[02:49] <ogra> dholbach, which you secetly asked while i was disconnected ;-P
[02:49] <dholbach> ogra: no... doko did
[02:49] <ogra> ah, ok *g*
[02:49] <dholbach> ogra: and you were there
[02:50] <dholbach> 14:47
[02:50] <ogra> ah, ok.... the first sign of life i saw again after the GRMBLFJX
[02:51] <dholbach> doko: he thinks i should work and also recalls some package using it already :-)
[02:54] <dholbach> doko: he thinks it should work .... :-)
[02:55] <dholbach> doko: murphy will get fresh air an hour or something, when i finished this does-not-build list crack
[03:12] <dholbach> ok, i'm going to ease some wiki pain: I'll remove UniverseDoesNotBuild and integrate it into UniversePriorityList (i'll try to take care of your changes ;-)) and it'll be all in the format:  * libdata-dumper-perl [http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/libd/libdata-dumper-perl/ Logs]  (16848)
[03:19] <tritium> Good morning :)
[03:19] <ogra> hi tritium
[03:20] <tritium> hi ogra
[03:23] <herve> heya tritium !
[03:23] <tritium> hi herve!
[03:24] <tritium> What's up herve?
[03:24] <motaboy> Thanks to you all I finally understand how everything works and made a first version kdebluetooth deb.
[03:24] <herve> compiling packages all day and night :-)
[03:25] <motaboy> now I've got other questions :P
[03:25] <tritium> way to go :)
[03:26] <motaboy> in kdebluetooth there's also an IrmcSync konnector for kitchensync... I'd like to make a separate package for it as it depens on kdepim and it's not very stable...
[03:27] <motaboy> what is the policy compliant name it should have?
[03:28] <herve> check how other kitchensync connectors are named
[03:29] <motaboy> herve: they are all in the kitchensync package.
[03:31] <dholbach> ok lists done
[03:31] <herve> I suggest kdebluetooth-irmcsync then
[03:31] <dholbach> hey tritium
[03:31] <dholbach> UniverseDoesNotBuild is obsolete
[03:32] <dholbach> sorry for the trouble i gave you... list-wise
[03:32] <dholbach> but it took me a while to figure out
[03:32] <dholbach> and i hope the test rebuild is finished soon
[03:32] <tritium> dholbach, you have me no trouble at all.  What do you mean?
[03:32] <tritium> gave, that is
[03:33] <herve> ha
[03:33] <herve> I tought you were doing mistakes using French grammar :-)
[03:33] <dholbach> tritium: i mean the lists (UniverseDoesNotBuild and UniversePriorityList) on the wiki - i manage to have main entries there as well, forget to remove things, ...
[03:33] <herve> (thought)
[03:34] <tritium> dholbach, it's okay :)
[03:34] <dholbach> herve: is this the only trouble i gave you? :-)
[03:34] <tritium> herve, did I use French grammar unknowingly?
[03:35] <herve> not really :-)
[03:35] <motaboy> herve: ok thanks!
[03:35] <dholbach> so: have fun with UniversePriorityList - i'll take a leaf out of doko's book and head out for a walk
[03:37] <herve> ++
[03:39] <herve> er... dholbach?
[03:39] <dholbach> herve: h?
[03:39] <dholbach> hm?
[03:39] <herve> it seems you have added packages from main
[03:39] <dholbach> yeah
[03:40] <dholbach> i know
[03:40] <herve> and there are xcfe packages, although they have their own list
[03:40] <dholbach> sorry for that
[03:40] <dholbach> if you have an idea how to fix it... i put the URLs of the scripts i used on the page
[03:41] <dholbach> and i didnt "add" them, i just didnt manage to remove them :-)
[03:41] <herve> I compared to the previous list :-)
[03:47] <motaboy> herve: so now I should create a debian/kdebluetooth.files and a debian/kdebluetooth-irmcsync.files reporting inside the files needed by the packages?
[03:48] <herve> yes
[03:48] <herve> now you have several binaries
[03:48] <motaboy> herve: or can I only define the debian/kdebluetooth-irmcsync.files and all the other will automaatically belong to kdebluetooth?
[03:48] <herve> you need to distinguish those kind of files
[03:48] <herve> hmm... I don't really now for that
[03:52] <herve> I'll try to clean the list
[04:04] <dholbach> bbl
[04:04] <tritium> see you dholbach
[04:05] <ogra> bye dholbach
[04:16] <jinty> hey, is there someone in here that can upload a patch for schoolbell for me?
[04:37] <crimsun> jinty: sure, got a url?
[04:37] <herve> grmf!
[04:38] <crimsun> darned Internet! ;)
[04:38] <herve> no, the laptop
[04:38] <herve> it gets easily at 60 C and hangs
[04:38] <crimsun> d'oh
[04:43] <encolpe> mmh
[04:43] <encolpe> natural born bad laptop, change laptop
[04:44] <herve> thanks the Dell Site Care :-/
[04:44] <encolpe> huh
[04:44] <encolpe> :(
[04:46] <encolpe> my dell laptop doesn't hang, it melts
[04:49] <tritium> my Dell power supply sure gets hot, and then decides to shut itself off, particularly when I'm powering the laptop and charing batteries at the same time
[04:50] <herve> nice :-)
[04:51] <herve> hmm... debian kernels use dpatch but don't use any 00list file
[04:52] <herve> I hope the patch I added will be applied
[05:03] <trulux> hey tritium
[05:04] <tritium> hey trulux
[05:04] <trulux> tritium: howdy?
[05:04] <tritium> trulux, hi
[05:08] <trulux> tritium: just a bit of confusion, heh
[05:08] <tritium> :)
[05:30] <jinty> hoi crimsun, sorry it took so long, the patch is for http://issues.schooltool.org/issue185 and is at http://issues.schooltool.org/file28/patch
[05:46] <\sh> happy easter to all :)
[05:46] <tritium> Happy Easter, \sh :)
[05:50] <herve> it was yesterday no? :-p
[05:51] <\sh> well...today is eastermonday ;)
[05:51] <\sh> so...if you forgot some eggs ;) please find it today ;)
[05:52] <herve> all eaten :-)
[05:52] <\sh> hehe...
[05:53] <\sh> installing 101MB deb packages now ;)
[06:17] <trulux> \sh: 170 here
[06:17] <trulux> :)
[06:17] <\sh> trulux,  :)
[06:29] <herve> hopla!
[06:35] <jani> hello all
[06:36] <herve> hello jani
[06:36] <dholbach> hey janc
[06:36] <dholbach> argl
[06:37] <dholbach> hello mr. jani monoses, how are you on this lovely day?
[06:37] <dholbach> ah... this is better
[06:37] <dholbach> :-)
[06:37] <jani> why thank you monsieur holbach I am fine
[06:37] <herve> dholbach, I'm removing the packages from main in the list
[06:37] <jani> I have to catch elmo, as usual :)
[06:38] <dholbach> i'm delighted to hear
[06:38] <jani> hmm he's idle for > 3days looks like it's not gonna happen today
[06:39] <herve> to be sure my algorithm is good
[06:39] <herve> can you confirm bind9 is in main?
[06:40] <dholbach> yop
[06:40] <herve> good
[06:40] <herve> and apache 1.3 is not considered to be dropped?
[06:41] <dholbach> don't think so
[06:50] <herve> muhahaha! on ubuntu-users
[06:50] <herve> "glxgears, an intensive opengl application"
[06:51] <dholbach> oh my... i wish they had more tangible worries
[06:52] <herve> nope, when you discover cpu and mem monitoring, anything worries you :-)
[06:52] <herve> hi thierry
[06:52] <thierry> hi herve
[06:52] <thierry> herve, I've just seen that gdesklets is still at version 0.33.1
[06:53] <thierry> I sent the changes to seb128 to make it to 0.34.1
[06:53] <thierry> any idea what happened?
[06:53] <herve> why do you ask me?
[06:54] <thierry> well because you were the first to talk to me and that seb128 is not here :P
[06:55] <herve> I don't know if I should feel honoured :-)
[06:56] <herve> hmm... another security hole fixed in webmin :-)
[06:56] <dholbach> was it removed? :-)
[06:57] <herve> users like it :-)
[06:58] <herve> wasn't pinball fixed?
[07:02] <herve> lamont, ping
[07:02] <herve> or anyone having power on the buildd
[07:03] <herve> we need to sort out those buildd issues!
[07:03] <herve> what's the status of importing those new xfce packages?
[07:04] <herve> dholbach, I suggest when we make a first run on the list
[07:04] <herve> to see what was caused by a buggy buildd
[07:04] <lamont> herve: sup?
[07:04] <herve> what was fixed by now
[07:04] <herve> what is serious
[07:05] <herve> lamont, can you search "buildd" on https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePriorityList
[07:05] <herve> lamont, and tell us what's your diagnosis and remedy
[07:09] <lamont> snacc: snaccC, not buildd is segfaulting.  Does it in the non-test build as well.  Probable cause: sizeof(void*) != sizeof (int): binary not in archive
[07:11] <lamont> pidentd: built on all 4 architectures, hoary and hoary-test.  ppc log missing from main logs, but built/in archive.
[07:12] <herve> so issue closed?
[07:13] <lamont> a2ps: given back on ia64
[07:13] <jani> herve, we requested elmo to sync xfce, so it is pending I guess
[07:13] <herve> what given back means?
[07:14] <herve> ok jani, thanks
[07:14] <herve> lamont, a2ps also failed on ia64, but for an odd reason
[07:15] <lamont> a2ps given back on ppc too
[07:15] <lamont> given-back ==> requeued
[07:15] <lamont> pidentd is closed
[07:15] <lamont> snacc is preexisting issue in the package
[07:15] <lamont> a2ps is requeued on the architectures where it was dying
[07:17] <herve> are the build attempted as much as necessary or the number of tries is limited?
[07:19] <lamont> builds are tried once, then either succeed, auto-depwaited, or come to me for handling.
[07:20] <herve> okay
[07:20] <lamont> mpage given back on ppc, ia64
[07:20] <herve> ia64 need a kick?
[07:20] <lamont> proftpd is OK. (closed)
[07:21] <lamont> putty OK as well (closed)
[07:21] <lamont> udev needs a kick to the head..
[07:22] <lamont> anyway, entire list either fixed, explained (snacc - your issue...), or requeued
[07:22] <lamont> s/fixed/fixed already/
[07:22] <herve> yes, that's our current concern
[07:22] <herve> but when the build fails for obvious reason
[07:22] <herve> we need you
[07:23] <herve> thank you very much!
[07:23] <lamont> right.
[07:23] <lamont> np on having me check any of those
[07:24] <herve> I hope so :-)
[07:27] <dholbach> hrm, what's the problem with http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/g/gnucash/1.8.9-4/
[07:27] <herve> hmm... gtkhtml3.0 seem to need a libhowl transition
[07:27] <dholbach> gtkhtml3.0 needs to be chucked out
[07:27] <herve> also :-)
[07:27] <dholbach> should transition the rdepending to gtkhtml3.6
[07:28] <dholbach> about gnucash: i get the same cracked up unmet-dependency messages, when i try to build it
[07:28] <lamont> dholbach: personal bet would be that the build-depends include one that depends: libreadline5-dev, and one that depends libreadline4-dev
[07:29] <dholbach> lamont:    apt-get -d build-dep gnucash    works at my place
[07:29] <lamont> whcih is to say, a series of apt-get -ud commands should reveal which package needs to have things fixed...
[07:29] <lamont> current hoary?
[07:29] <dholbach> yep
[07:29] <dholbach> lamont: had the same problem with multisync
[07:32] <lamont> libguppi-dev
[07:32] <lamont>   liborbit-dev libpaper1 libpopt-dev libreadline4-dev libwrap0-dev libxau-dev
[07:32] <lamont> guile-1.6-dev
[07:32] <lamont>   libreadline5 libreadline5-dev
[07:32] <lamont> in hoary test
[07:33] <herve> dholbach, so I transition gtkhtml3.0 or move it to the morgue?
[07:33] <dholbach> herve: there are still some packages depending on libgtkhtml3.0-bla
[07:34] <herve> what's what I meant by transitioning :-)
[07:34] <herve> hmm... there's maybe too much
[07:34] <lamont> dholbach: and also current hoary
[07:35] <lamont> so either guppi or guile-1.6 is out-of-date for you...
[07:35] <dholbach> lamont: very strange indeed
[07:35] <dholbach> herve: would begnomesword, encompass, mysql-query-browser
[07:35] <herve> yes, peacock too
[07:36] <herve> so libhowl transition?
[07:36] <dholbach> herve: you the first two, i the last two?
[07:36] <herve> so gtkhtml transition?
[07:36] <herve> :-)
[07:36] <dholbach> we need not list for those :-)
[07:37] <herve> just tell me what to do!
[07:37] <dholbach> herve: change build-dependencies to gtkhtml3.6 and see if it works for 1) gnomesword 2)  encompass
[07:37] <dholbach> :-)
[07:37] <herve> good!
[07:37] <herve> no thinking!
[07:37] <herve> like it!
[07:44] <herve> dholbach, checking for libgnomeui-2.0 gtk+-2.0 libgtkhtml-3.0 gal-2.0 libxml-2.0 sword... Package libgtkhtml-3.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[07:45] <herve> report from gnomesword
[07:46] <dholbach> change in configure.{ac,in} and add changes of autconf in a patch :-)
[07:46] <herve> nothing more?
[07:47] <dholbach> hoping that it works :-)
[07:47] <herve> I mean, some command to run :-)
[07:47] <dholbach> autoconf
[07:48] <herve> in the rules file?
[07:48] <dholbach> no, separatedly on your box
[07:48] <dholbach> and add its changes in a (d)patch
[07:48] <herve> got it!
[07:48] <dholbach> *ROCK*
[07:52] <dholbach> herve: same here :-)
[07:53] <herve> encompass too
[07:53] <herve> woogoo!
[07:53] <schweeb> dholbach: I added a morgue recommendation yesterday - user-mode-linux (talked with mdz about it)
[07:53] <herve> :-)
[07:54] <dholbach> haha
[07:54] <dholbach> schweeb: added it on wiki/MorgueCandidates too?
[07:54] <schweeb> yes
[07:54] <dholbach> schweeb: rock
[07:54] <dholbach> will write to elmo about it
[07:55] <schweeb> man, this sucks... 4 hours late for work :-/
[07:56] <siretart> hi folks :)
[07:57] <herve> hi siretart !
[07:57] <siretart> I'm trying to fix some Packagess from the priority list, namly gpm and mtr
[07:58] <herve> siretart, you're welcome :-)
[07:58] <siretart> but I fail to see any problems with those packages. how comes?
[07:58] <herve> siretart, gpm seem to miss from i386
[07:58] <herve> probably just needs a kick/sync
[07:59] <siretart> herve: but it is building fine in my pbuilder chroot!
[07:59] <siretart> hmm. just a new reupload?
[07:59] <herve> something like that
[07:59] <herve> about mtr
[07:59] <herve> latest is all successfull
[07:59] <herve> just remove it from the list
[07:59] <siretart> ok. both?
[08:00] <herve> no
[08:00] <herve> wait for gpm to hit all the archives
[08:00] <siretart> ok
[08:06] <herve> tseng, I added you blog entry about dpatch on wiki/PackagingTips
[08:10] <siretart> I'm looking now at vcdimager, it fails with error message CHARSET CONVERSION FAILED... I guess this is due to utf8
[08:11] <siretart> would It be acceptable to disable the testsuite? the package seems to build fine though.
[08:13] <siretart> it is disable when crosscompiling anyway.. hmm
[08:13] <herve> siretart, that's what unit tests are for :-)
[08:14] <siretart> herve: yeah, usually I would agree, but..
[08:14] <siretart> hmm.. ok, I try to fix the tests..
[08:15] <herve> okay I spoke too fast!
[08:15] <herve> my dpatch patch is not applied at all:!
[08:16] <herve> dumb me!
[08:16] <dholbach> herve: same here
[08:17] <herve> dholbach, vim debian/patches/00list
[08:17] <dholbach> i messed up the rules file instead :-)
[08:17] <herve> gulp!
[08:18] <siretart> gulp. vcdimager is using some kind of magic testsuite of automake..
[08:19] <herve> anything involving automake is magic to me :-)
[08:19] <herve> dholbach, hmm... I guess I need to add dpatch to the build depends...
[08:20] <dholbach> herve: ha... did that too, just my debian/rules doesnt work yet
[08:22] <siretart> ah, I think I found it..
[08:28] <herve> gaaaa!
[08:28] <herve> how do you make a dpatch patch applied at all?!
[08:29] <siretart> herve: I use the dpatch-edit-patch command
[08:29] <siretart> great tool :)
[08:30] <herve> sure!
[08:30] <herve> and listed my patch in debian/patches/00list
[08:30] <herve> and added the include into debian/rules
[08:30] <herve> but nothing happeds
[08:30] <herve> (happens)
[08:31] <herve> rock! my laptop got below 39 C!
[08:33] <herve> wow! you can add conditions in 00list
[08:33] <siretart> rock! vcdimager fixed! this was a rather tricky one :)
[08:33] <siretart> herve: you need to depend on target patch-stamp in target build in debian/rules. have you?
[08:34] <herve> argh
[08:34] <herve> tseng, you never said it ;-)
[08:34] <herve> thanks siretart, I'll find some example
[08:38] <herve> siretart, I followed the dpatch example and added patch-stamp to build-stamp
[08:38] <herve> and patch in the phony targets
[08:38] <herve> it's ok for you?
[08:44] <siretart> herve: shoud be ok, I think. be sure to read /usr/share/doc/dpatch/README.gz
[08:46] <dholbach> ha nice... mysql-query-browser requires 1) gtkhtml 2) gtkmm 3) python transition *ROCK*
[08:49] <herve> that's a big fish you caught ;-)
[08:51] <herve> there's progress
[08:51] <dholbach> herve: gladly the mandatory  package[outstanding_transitions] ==gcompris[outstanding_transitions]  -check didnt work
[08:51] <herve> my patch is unapplied but not applied :-)
[08:51] <herve> dholbach, which means?
[08:52] <dholbach> herve: i'm still looking at the package :-)
[08:52] <herve> got it!
[08:52] <herve> I patched after the configure
[08:53] <herve> whereas I was patching that #$*! configure :-()
[08:53] <herve> :-)
[08:53] <dholbach> woohoo
[08:53] <herve> you can tell it
[08:55] <herve> argh!
[08:56] <herve> gnomesword is incompatible with latest gtkhtml
[08:56] <dholbach> *argl*
[08:58] <dholbach> latest unstable 3.1.1
[09:03] <herve> you sure you want to get rid of gtkhtml3.0 ? ;-)
[09:04] <dholbach> herve: don't worry... just leave it :-)
[09:14] <dholbach> herve: the new version uses gtkhtml-3.0 still
[09:14] <herve> yep
[09:14] <herve> we're really not helped :-)
[09:15] <dholbach> ok... mysql-query-browser done
[09:17] <herve> so what have you done in the end?
[09:18] <dholbach> dpatched it
[09:18] <dholbach> want to have the debian/rules i used?
[09:19] <herve> I mean
[09:19] <herve> it compiled smoothly with gtkhtml3.6?
[09:20] <dholbach> fortunately, yes
[09:20] <herve> you lucky!
[09:21] <dholbach> forget it... take another one
[09:22] <herve> I don't quit so easily :()
[09:22] <herve> but I have a gtkhtml3.0 recompiled just in case!
[09:32] <jani> goodbye all
[09:41] <herve> now I quit!
[09:42] <herve> dholbach, are you interested in that gtkhtml3.0 recompiled without libhowl? ;-)
[09:42] <dholbach> poor herve :-/
[09:42] <dholbach> i ask seb :-)
[09:42] <herve> er... what do I say...
[09:42] <ogra> what do you say herve ?
[09:42] <herve> I'm not even sure why the build failed!
[09:43] <herve> ogra, http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/g/gtkhtml3.0/3.0.10-1/gtkhtml3.0_3.0.10-1_20050326-2023-ia64-failed
[09:43] <herve> what's your diagnosis
[09:44] <lamont> herve: one of the packages that it build-deps on still has libhowl.la mentioned somewhere in /usr/lib/lib*.la
[09:45] <herve> I knew rebuilding it wasn't enough...
[09:45] <ogra> yep, its libhowl
[09:45] <ogra> creating libgtkhtml-3.0.la
[09:45] <ogra> /bin/sed: can't read /usr/lib/libhowl.la: No such file or directory
[09:45] <ogra> libtool: link: `/usr/lib/libhowl.la' is not a valid libtool archive
[09:45] <herve> sure :-)
[09:45] <dholbach> grep howl /usr/lib/*.la
[09:46] <ogra> herve, grep
[09:47] <herve> /usr/lib/libgal-2.2.la:dependency_libs
[09:47] <herve> /usr/lib/libgal-a11y-2.2.la:dependency_libs
[09:48] <herve> I rebuild libgal2.2
[09:49] <lamont> herve: actually, it requires uploading a new gal2.2 to hoary
[09:49] <herve> lamont, how do know?
[09:50] <lamont> because libhowl was dropped through a carefully ordered uploading of packages, instead of adding versions to the build-depends
[09:51] <lamont> and ia64 appears to have lagged behind a bit
[09:51] <herve> Isee
[09:52] <herve> dholbach, woohoo! encompass doesn't bother me with gtkhtml's version!
[09:52] <dholbach> YES
[09:53] <ogra> were even
[09:53] <herve> ;-)
[09:55] <herve> config.log po/POTFILES
[09:55] <herve> those files are changed in my diff of encompass
[09:55] <herve> is it wrong?
[09:57] <lamont> ogra: the ia64 boxes in the data center are really dog-slow boxes... lowest pricepoint machines, etc
[09:57] <lamont> although bdale tells me there must be something wrong, since they should be much faster than they are
[09:58] <ogra> ah, ok....probably it scales heavily with the amount of CPUs....
[09:58] <\sh> hey ogra...
[09:59] <ogra> hi
[10:01] <herve> siretart, ping
[10:01] <\sh> ogra, why u told klaus that I'm doing now something for ubuntu ?? ,-)
[10:01] <siretart> herve: pong
[10:02] <herve> siretart, so you fixed vcdimager?
[10:02] <siretart> herve: yeah, it is building for me in my pbuilder
[10:02] <siretart> i uploaded it on my server..
[10:02] <ogra> \sh, why not, is it a secret ?
[10:02] <herve> siretart, because you have not moved it from "The list" to "Working on"
[10:02] <herve> and now "To review"
[10:02] <herve> :-p
[10:02] <\sh> ogra, he told me that last thursday in jamesons ;)
[10:03] <siretart> herve: oh. did I miss to press 'save'? hang on..
[10:03] <herve> don't press save then!
[10:03] <herve> dholbach, about that "Finally worked on all Buildds (all archs)" table
[10:03] <dholbach> lamont: i just saw that mdz assigned you #8316 - here is what i gave doko ages ago: http://moz.gotdns.org/ubuntu/wxwindows2.4-debdiff
[10:03] <ogra> \sh, was it wrong ? should i keep it secret ? tell me if thats the case
[10:04] <herve> dholbach, let's just remove things that were already fixed to light the page
[10:04] <siretart> herve: well, UniversePriorityList looking fine now, or did I miss something?
[10:04] <dholbach> herve: yeah go ahead
[10:04] <\sh> ogra, no :) i was just suprised if he's making jokes with me that evening...i was a bit dizzy ;)
[10:04] <ogra> oh, ok
[10:05] <herve> siretart, okay, but just remove it from "The List" so that no one will pick it
[10:05] <herve> I'll do it
[10:05] <siretart> herve: thank you, next time I'll get it right ;)
[10:06] <jbailey> Are universe bugs supposed to go into malone now?
[10:06] <dholbach> jbailey: bradb wanted to spread the word, when the backend is ready (from what i know)
[10:07] <dholbach> doko: sorry, didnt want to blame you for anything - i typed it in a hurry
[10:07] <ogra> doko, an age >= 30min
[10:07] <jbailey> dholbach: 'k thanks.
[10:08] <herve> ogra, and how much in american seconds? ;-)
[10:09] <ogra> hehe, ask mako ;)
[10:10] <herve> someone having a powerpc?
[10:10] <jbailey> herve: I do.
[10:10] <herve> jbailey, could you try to (p)build usbview?
[10:10] <lamont> dholbach: confused by why I wound up with 8316... I can fix it sure, but it is universe, and all that...
[10:11] <ogra> hmm, why is it in bugzilla ?
[10:11] <lamont> must be used-to-was main, dunno
[10:12] <\sh> hmm?
[10:12] <lamont> dholbach: so, since you have a patch, and the power, you wanna just upload?
[10:12] <herve> jbailey, same thing for libapache-mod-ssl, a serait gnial :-)
[10:12] <dholbach> lamont: he must think you're the saviour :-)
[10:12] <jbailey> herve: Am I looking for the same problem with both?
[10:13] <herve> jbailey, the buildd failed, I'd like to test it elsewhere
[10:13] <herve> and with the current seed (?)
[10:13] <herve> ogra, I just love your temp applet!
[10:13] <dholbach> lamont: can't: it's a 4267426MB native package and my connection is too slow
[10:14] <herve> dholbach, you forgot a digit :-)
[10:14] <ogra> herve, if i have enough data about all the thermal implementations, i'll package it
[10:14] <lamont> we have no terabyte source packages
[10:14] <lamont> :-)
[10:14] <jbailey> herve: Feh.  usbview seems to want to update the buildenv at build time, and does so poorly.
[10:14] <ogra> lamont, ot yet...wait until apt-get.org gets in ;)
[10:14] <lamont> although OO.o is trying to get there, it seems...
[10:15] <dholbach> hahaha :_)
[10:15] <lamont> dholbach: grumble... ditto here.
[10:15] <jbailey> herve: In fact, the whole packaging is fubar, it's a GNU mode automake package without a ChangeLog, etc.
[10:15] <lamont> your debdiff is good, dholbach ?
[10:15] <jbailey> herve: I don't imagine how it would work on any arch.
[10:16] <dholbach> lamont: not really sure... i hoped someone would double check it... it's not really nice, since files that are in both (wx2.4 and wx2.5) are simply removed
[10:16] <herve> jbailey, argh!
[10:16] <tseng> herve: it was on planet
[10:16] <tseng> herve: but thanks.
[10:16] <herve> just leave it, libapache-mod-ssl it more important IMO
[10:17] <herve> tseng, planet? the TV channel? I don't watch it :-p
[10:17] <tseng> herve: er.. planet.ubuntu.com
[10:18] <herve> tseng, didn't know
[10:18] <ogra> herve, planet.hollywoord, dont you know the restaurant ;)
[10:18] <ogra> -r
[10:18] <jbailey> herve: After I reran autoreconf -f -i and fixed and added AUTOMAKE_OPTIONS=foreign to Makefile.am, it builds fine.
[10:18] <lamont> WTH needs 14MB of source.  sheesh
[10:19] <dholbach> lamont: and it takes AGES to compile
[10:19] <herve> ogra, :-p
[10:19] <herve> jbailey, usbview? you ROCK!
[10:19] <ogra> herve, :)
[10:20] <ogra> doesnt that need /proc/bus/usb ?
[10:20] <herve> dholbach, beware people will interpret it as half an hour :()
[10:20] <herve> ogra, the libusb I guess
[10:20] <jbailey> $ ls -ald /proc/bus/usb
[10:20] <jbailey> drwxr-xr-x  4 root root 0 2005-03-28 08:57 /proc/bus/usb
[10:21] <jbailey> Oh, hmm.  I'm running on a fallback 2.6.8 kernel right now because a grub2 experiment went poorly yesterday.
[10:21] <dholbach> herve: then it took at least 4 ages
[10:21] <lamont> ETA 1:05:00
[10:21] <jbailey> If this build is dependant on kernel features, this might not be the best test.
[10:22] <herve> dholbach, it didn't even exist at the dinosaurs time!
[10:22] <dholbach> herve: hopefully not :-)
[10:22] <herve> jbailey, don't worry for the functional test, I just wanted to test the build
[10:24] <herve> hmm... what did we say about kernel-source-2.6.8 in our list...
[10:24] <dholbach> zul wanted to check those
[10:25] <herve> I mean, wo we leave it in our list?
[10:26] <jbailey> herve: libapache-mod-ssl builds fine here.
[10:26] <herve> jbailey, you just rock!
[10:26] <herve> good, lacheck was already fixed!
[10:26] <jbailey> herve: Eh?  I didn't do anything to that one. =)
[10:27] <herve> jbailey, you gave me time :-)
[10:28] <herve> jbailey, I guess you know better than me what to do with those changes in usbview?
[10:30] <herve> strange, usbview is in the archive for all archs
[10:32] <jbailey> herve: Up to date even...
[10:33] <herve> argh!
[10:33] <jbailey> Although,
[10:33] <jbailey> Oh I see why I trigger the AM bug.
[10:33] <herve> I think I'm confused between the archive and rebuilding universe
[10:33] <jbailey> It wouldn't trigger if the person doesn't have automake installed.
[10:34] <ogra> hey guys pe7er would like to help with some easy tasks, could someone lead him a bit ?
[10:34] <pe7er> :)
[10:35] <herve> lamont, I'm still not confident with the log
[10:35] <herve> lamont, http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/g/gtkam/0.1.12-2.1/
[10:35] <herve> lamont, how to say lincity is fixed or not on powerpc?
[10:35] <dholbach> hello pe7er :-)
[10:35] <herve> s/lincity/gtkam
[10:35] <herve> but the same applies :-)
[10:35] <herve> hi pe7er
[10:36] <pe7er> please play easy on me, i'm not a coder by any means.
[10:36] <pe7er> hi
[10:37] <pe7er> (so i'm afraid of wasting your time, but if you have something i can do i'll gladly help)
[10:37] <herve> pe7er, you're welcome and we're here to help too, so don't worry
[10:37] <dholbach> pe7er: i'm glad you show up here, nice of you, you want to help out
[10:37] <schweeb> pe7er: lookin to fix some packages I take it?
[10:38] <herve> hi Burgundavia
[10:39] <dholbach> pe7er: at the moment our biggest target are packages that fail to build, some cases are easy since they just require different build-dependencies, if you're brave look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePriorityList :-)
[10:39] <schweeb> pe7er: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UniversePriorityList check out that list for a package you're interested in helping with
[10:39] <dholbach> pe7er: if you run into any trouble, just holler :-)
[10:39] <schweeb> damn, beaten by dholbach by a millisecond
[10:40] <schweeb> build logs for the packages are at http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/
[10:40] <dholbach> pe7er: you might find installing pbuilder helpful (it takes care of a completely separated build process and shows up most common errors) -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[10:40] <tseng> hi dholbach
[10:40] <tseng> how goes
[10:40] <dholbach> hey tseng
[10:41] <ogra> tseng, busy like bees all around ..... 24h to RC
[10:41] <lamont> herve: universe/graphics/gtkam_0.1.12-2.1: Needs-Build [extra:uncompiled]
[10:41] <dholbach> tseng: reviewing kdebluetooth, looking at peacock, kicked off the apt-get.org thread
[10:41] <tseng> hm
[10:41] <herve> lamont, where do you read that :-)
[10:41] <lamont> buildLogs/Test/Lists/hoary-test.all.powerpc
[10:42] <ogra> *****yeah, again, please everybody reply to this thread on ubuntu-devel@ we need as many opinions as possible ****
[10:42] <ogra> (apt-get.org that is)
[10:42] <pe7er> great. i'll take a look and see what i can do. besides someone brought to my attention that there is a problem with the current wx2.5-headers package (not only in hoary but in debian also), see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=294998, recent amule will fail to build because of that (and i guess it will be a popular package).
[10:42] <Burgundavia> herve: salut
[10:43] <herve> lamont, and this means it's on the queue for another try?
[10:44] <lamont> yes
[10:44] <lamont> Needs-Build -> Building -> {Failed, Dep-Wait, Uploaded -> Installed}
[10:44] <lamont> with the understanding that Building-> Failed is a lamont-step
[10:45] <herve> I just can't wait :-)
[10:45] <dholbach> pe7er: not sure if that is one of the easy cases
[10:45] <dholbach> pe7er: just talked to lamont about it
[10:45] <dholbach> pe7er: you set up the pbuilder already?
[10:46] <herve> could someone please review and upload siretart's vcdimager?
[10:46] <dholbach> herve: yeah
[10:46] <crimsun> pe7er: wait, wha?
[10:46] <pe7er> dholbach, i am on it and yes, i've been already told its not a trivial case. i don't think i could do that
[10:46] <crimsun> what's wrong with wxwidgets2.5.3?
[10:47] <crimsun> err, s/.3//
[10:47] <lamont> crimsun: #8163
[10:47] <herve> crimsun, it's wxwidgets, that is :-)
[10:48] <dholbach> pe7er: sure: go ahead :-)
[10:49] <crimsun> what the
[10:49] <siretart> stats for today: installed girlfriends notebook with hoary, probably fixed 1 package :)
[10:49] <siretart> gotta go, cu folks!
[10:49] <herve> bye siretart
[10:49] <herve> thank for you work!
[10:50] <dholbach> crimsun: some files (those on mentioned here: http://moz.gotdns.org/ubuntu/wxwindows2.4-debdiff) conflict in 2.4 and 2.5
[10:50] <herve> good... I broke the wiki page :-)
[10:50] <crimsun> dholbach: yes, but I didn't muck with those because the Debian maintainer says there's a coming solution
[10:50] <crimsun> I'm really hoping Ron packages 2.5.5 with a fixed archive.h
[10:51] <ogra> crimsun the next 6 days ?
[10:51] <crimsun> ogra: highly doubtful, which is why I did all that cruft :)
[10:51] <ogra> heh
[10:51] <ogra> k
[10:51] <crimsun> looks like I need to push archive.h in, though
[10:53] <dholbach> herve: i think it's next goal after "don't save everything in ONE blob" :-)
[10:53] <herve> dholbach, do we really need that xfce list on that page?
[10:54] <dholbach> herve: chuck it off, crimsun and jani know what they're doing
[10:54] <herve> hmm... a three-way merge :-)
[10:54] <herve> dholbach, I just wanted to move it :-)
[10:54] <crimsun> speaking fo XFce, waiting on elmo; he's understandably busy
[10:54] <crimsun> of^
[10:55] <dholbach> crimsun: what about manually uploading those? how many source packages have you got?
[10:56] <dholbach> crimsun: would still require elmo's NEW approval
[10:56] <dholbach> phone
[10:57] <Vollstrecker> crimsun or dholbach: Have you modified the rules file of wx?
[11:00] <herve> good night all!
[11:01] <ogra> night herve
[11:01] <tseng> uh
[11:01] <schweeb> gotta love netsplits
[11:01] <herve> (fixing a last package...)
[11:01] <crimsun> what the
[11:02] <Vollstrecker> crimsun: netsplit
[11:02] <crimsun> I think I pinged out completely, though
[11:02] <ogra> herve, youre addicted ?
[11:02] <herve> ogra, can't stop... gaaaa...
[11:02] <ogra> heh
[11:02] <lamont> crimsun: rather, 8316
[11:02] <herve> ++
[11:02] <ogra> herve, go to the anonymous packagers :=)
[11:03] <Vollstrecker> crimsun: Have you modified the rules file of wx?
[11:03] <crimsun> lamont: right, that's what I read in BTS
[11:04] <crimsun> Vollstrecker: yes, I added an explicit invocation to autoconf
[11:04] <crimsun> Vollstrecker: Debian #285186
[11:04] <Vollstrecker> crimsun: I'm working on the archive.h bug of the debian pkg.
[11:05] <crimsun> Vollstrecker: ok, great.
[11:05] <Vollstrecker> I was the one that told pe7er to tell you
[11:05] <crimsun> Vollstrecker: thanks, appreciate the heads-up
[11:06] <Vollstrecker> I'm just compiling
[11:06] <ogra> Vollstrecker, if its solved before the 5th it could go in the release
[11:06] <Vollstrecker> But I think you won't get a working diff if you modified that file.
[11:06] <crimsun> is archive.h the only missing header?
[11:06] <Vollstrecker> ogra: I want to fix it this night
[11:07] <Vollstrecker> Afaik yes.
[11:07] <ogra> yeah
[11:07] <crimsun> can we made explicitly certain it is?
[11:08] <crimsun> that way it would be sufficient just to pull archive from upstream cvs's tag
[11:08] <crimsun> archive.h, rather
[11:08] <Vollstrecker> It is in the source package. The dir were it is in is copied, I don't know why it ins't copied, too.
[11:18] <crimsun> ok, it'd be line 707 of ubuntu's wxwidgets2.5's debian/rules
[11:18] <crimsun> now to figure out why archive.h doesn't land in $(objdir_msw_install)/include/wx-$(release)/wx
[11:20] <Vollstrecker> Because msw isn't built. You mean objdir_gtk_shared
[11:21] <tseng> ogra: sent.
[11:21] <ogra> yeah, great
[11:22] <crimsun> Vollstrecker: aha
[11:22] <Vollstrecker> install-gtk-shared-stamp: build-gtk-shared-stamp build-gtk-shared-contrib-stamp
[11:22] <Vollstrecker>          dh_testdir
[11:22] <Vollstrecker>          mkdir -p $(objdir_gtk_install)
[11:22] <Vollstrecker>          cd $(objdir_gtk_shared) \
[11:22] <Vollstrecker>                  && $(MAKE) install prefix=`pwd`/../$(objdir_gtk_install)
[11:22] <Vollstrecker>          cd $(objdir_gtk_shared)/contrib/src \
[11:22] <Vollstrecker>                  && $(MAKE) install prefix=`pwd`/../../../$(objdir_gtk_install)
[11:22] <Vollstrecker>          touch $@
[11:22] <Vollstrecker> That's the place to look for
[11:23] <crimsun> oh d'oh, I didn't read the previous line in the build log
[11:23] <crimsun> says objs_gtk_sh right there, sigh
[11:24] <Vollstrecker> I think that's the place. I'm just testing this place, but it takes long, till build process is there
[11:24] <ogra> yeah, wx is a pita to build
[11:25] <ogra> at least you have lots of spare time....
[11:26] <Vollstrecker> jep, and I'm afraid of starting it another time after it works, like I want.
[11:32] <ogra> tseng, are you sure the first letter of the pre last word wasnt a typo ? ;)
[11:33] <tseng> ogra: s:g:r:g ?
[11:33] <tseng> quite possibly.
[11:34] <ogra> lol
[11:34] <tseng> the emial might be a little strong
[11:34] <tseng> i tend to do that.
[11:34] <Seveas> ogra, on my system hwdb-client gives pythin errors after the sound test, is this known?
[11:35] <ogra> Seveas, oh, no.....that shouldnt happen, can you send me the error ?
[11:35] <Seveas> ogra sure
[11:36] <Seveas> pm or e-mail?
[11:36] <Seveas> it's quite short
[11:36] <ogra> as you like....
[11:36] <Seveas> i'll pm you
[11:36] <ogra> so pm
[11:37] <dholbach> ok, back again
[11:37] <tseng> wb
[11:37] <dholbach> now i'll look at the vcdimager
[11:40] <Burgundavia> ogra: I am getting an error with hwdb-gui with xrandr (probably due to the flgrx drivers)
[11:40] <ogra> GAH...
[11:40] <Seveas> Burgundavia lol :)
[11:40] <Burgundavia> ogra: should I file a malone bug so as you have something to track?
[11:40] <ogra> Burgundavia, you tried it before, right ?
[11:40] <ogra> iirc
[11:41] <Burgundavia> it worked before I changed to ati drivers
[11:41] <ogra> aha
[11:41] <Burgundavia> and it worked until it tried to collect the data
[11:41] <ogra> ok....
[11:41] <Burgundavia> I can test without the ati drivers to see if that is the issue?
[11:41] <ogra> strange, seems like the fglrx driver is borked then
[11:42] <dholbach> siretart: uploading vcdimager
[11:42] <Burgundavia> flgrx and xrandr don't like each other
[11:42] <ogra> Burgundavia, that would be helpful
[11:42] <Burgundavia> never had
[11:42] <Burgundavia> s/had/have
[11:42] <ogra> ah, i didnt know that, daniels gave me the advice to use xrandr
[11:42] <Seveas> ogra I will try it too
[11:42] <ogra> Seveas, no need, according to Burgundavia i'll have to change my code then
[11:42] <Seveas> brb
[11:43] <Seveas> ow ok
[11:43] <Burgundavia> xrandr error happend with xfree86 too
[11:43] <ogra> Burgundavia, thats not an issue for me....
[11:43] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:43] <ogra> but fglrx is
[11:43] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:43] <Burgundavia> flgrx is crap
[11:43] <ogra> a serious one...
[11:43] <Burgundavia> I wish I bought nvidia
[11:43] <Burgundavia> but I was being patriotic (being canadian)
[11:44] <tseng> do the ati driver not work for you?
[11:44] <tseng> oss
[11:44] <tseng> they suit my needs well enough.
[11:44] <Burgundavia> it does, but no 3d
[11:44] <Burgundavia> they work very well, but I play tuxracer and quake3 about once a week
[11:44] <tseng> ive played quake3 with the oss drivers
[11:45] <Burgundavia> I like my 90fps
[11:45] <crimsun> Vollstrecker: hum, arrimpl.cpp probably shouldn't exist in the -headers package(s), either
[11:45] <Burgundavia> poor ogra
[11:45] <Vollstrecker> Never noticed this file.
[11:46] <ogra> Burgundavia, i'll sort it, no worries...will just make my night a little longer ;)
[11:46] <crimsun> Vollstrecker: yeah, there are three .cpp files in include/wx/
[11:47] <Burgundavia> ogra: is that something that is a release goal for hoary?
[11:48] <Vollstrecker> Jep, I see. Maybe I should ask Ron, if this is expectet
[11:49] <tseng> i just played tuxracer np
[11:49] <ogra> Burgundavia, it has to be ready tomorrow 22:30 UTC
[11:49] <Seveas> oof
[11:49] <Seveas> well, i'll test as soon as you have the new version then
[11:50] <Vollstrecker> crimsun: There are several .bmp's too.
[11:55] <Burgundavia> ogra: eep
[11:56] <ogra> Burgundavia, its ok, i really love to program until the sun rises.... (not kidding)
[11:57] <Burgundavia> ogra: sorry about not reporting it earlier
[11:57] <ogra> Burgundavia, not your fault, i blame daniels for that advice if its a known problem...
[11:58] <ogra> (never owned an ati card in my whole life)
[11:58] <Burgundavia> http://noxa.de/~sbeyer/debian/packages/ <--- this is listed as dead on aptget.org wiki page, but is live
[11:58] <Burgundavia> however, I don't know where it should be filed
[11:59] <dholbach> lamont: is it considered to be ok to chuck build problems (just) on ia64 (like http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/c/catdoc/0.93.4-1/) off the list?


[16:11] <balloons> the application is ready to go for GSOC!
[16:11] <balloons> But it's 10 days until everyone finds out who's in and who's out


[00:25] <arraybolt3[m]> yawn
[00:25] <arraybolt3[m]> o/
[00:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Probably won't be doing a lot tonight, but just checking in to see what's happening, and also gripe about the fragmented nature of Debian :P Turns out just because someone in #debian-devel thinks something's a good idea, doesn't mean Andrew will think it's a good idea. Lesson learned.
[00:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Thankfully things are going a lot smoother than before now.


[02:08] <keithclark> I am still having issues with Ubuntu One causing my systems to become unresponsive.  It drives the Load to over 5.00+.  I t consumes all memory and makes the machines swap until they are not usable anymore.  Any ideas?
[02:15] <keithclark> It almost seems like a memory leak.  Just eats more and more and more memory
[02:31] <keithclark> It seems to be related to zeitgeist-daemon.  If I run the two together the memory issue happens.    My system runs at around 0.2-1.0 load
[02:35] <keithclark> Something funky going on here.
[02:36] <keithclark> Any thoughts duanedesign?
[03:25] <keithclark> HELP!  Ubuntu One is killing every computer I put it on!
[03:40] <keithclark> Ok, I give up here folks.  I'll try DropBox with the same directories and see what happens
[04:20] <duanedesign> keithclark: hello
[04:21] <keithclark> I see Drop Box is even broken in Ubuntu 11.10....
[04:21] <keithclark> Hey duanedesign
[04:21] <keithclark> I am frustrated beyond belief here!
[04:22] <duanedesign> keithclark: I understand :\
[04:23] <duanedesign> keithclark: what do you get from the command:  u1sdtool --waiting | wc -l
[04:24] <keithclark> working
[04:26] <keithclark> 15335
[04:30] <keithclark> And that means?
[04:30] <duanedesign> keithclark: that is the number of items in the queue (waiting to sync)
[04:30] <keithclark> Ok, why are they not sending?
[04:31] <duanedesign> keithclark: the number should get smaller over time
[04:31] <duanedesign> keithclark: the memory and cpu usage is U1 hashing and compressing all the files
[04:32] <keithclark> Yes, buy why the consumption of my resources?
[04:32] <keithclark> But it is not
[04:32] <keithclark> It kills over ti me
[04:33] <duanedesign> are any of the files, files that change a lot?
[04:36] <keithclark> yes
[04:38] <duanedesign> that is likely the biggest cause
[04:40] <keithclark> I appreciate that.  I'll try DropBox to see what the difference is.  If you are intersted I can report the differences back.
[04:41] <duanedesign> keithclark: definitely.
[04:42] <duanedesign> keithclark: I can point you to a few steps so you can unsync your folders and kill the queue
[04:42] <keithclark> Ok, but i have to try to integrate it into 11.10 as it does not nativly.
[04:42] <keithclark> duanedesign, a complete uninstall would be great
[04:43] <duanedesign> keithclark: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RomanYepishev/UbuntuOne/ClientControl#Accidentally_added_an_UDF.2C_how_to_remove_it_fast
[04:44] <keithclark> You know what, I will leave that to tomorrow...thanks for the link.  I'll bet it is embedded!  Even before I look.
[04:46] <keithclark> Thanks though duane, I'll be in touch!  You offer good help.
[04:46] <duanedesign> keithclark: have a good night
[04:46] <keithclark> You too!


[03:26] <swift110-phone> hey
[04:06] <peaches> jedijf: that sounds awesome. I would be a noob but would love to attend.
[10:02] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[11:16] <jedijf> peaches: noobs needed - everyone starts there - *and* I am perpetual n00b <- best approach
[12:09] <peaches> :D
[12:10] <peaches> Jedijf, our fridge is broken, I'm supposed to be home for repair man. I'm really gonna try to attend tonight.