[12:29] <jarnos> Session does not respond to keyboard or mouse clicks. Mouse cursor can be moved though. Xubuntu 20.04. What to do?
[12:30] <brainwash> jarnos: I would switch to a different TTY and then back
[12:30] <brainwash> or is that blocked also?
[12:31] <jarnos> If I switch back, the screen is black, except the mouse cursor
[12:33] <brainwash> did the screen locker kick in?
[12:33] <brainwash> and probably bugged out
[12:39] <jarnos> No. I even terminated light-locker in another TTY and no change.
[12:41] <jarnos> Maybe nvidia driver issue?
[12:41] <brainwash> that it one of the common culprits
[12:42] <brainwash> you should check the session and the system log for hints
[12:43] <brainwash> I guess the chances are very low to recover the user session, so you'll have to restart it
[12:46] <jarnos> Which logs exactly?
[12:48] <brainwash> ~/.xsession-errors and journalctl and maybe /var/log/xorg/
[18:49] <jarnos> I did not manage to find out the cause, but I restarted LightDM by some command to get over.
[20:08] <jarnos> sudo systemctl restart lightdm
[20:59] <xu-irc53w> olá, algum brasileiro?
[21:00] <gnrp> !br
[21:07] <xu-irc53w> certo obrigado


[00:02] <nnnaji> fagan: thanks! been waiting for unity --replace !
[00:03] <fagan> nnnaji: well unity without switches works the same
[00:03] <fagan> so its only cosmetic
[00:03] <nnnaji> learnability
[00:03] <fagan> yeah that was the idea
[00:03] <nnnaji> ;)
[00:03] <fagan> plus its no harm having
[00:05] <nnnaji> exactly :D
[00:06] <nnnaji> consistency doesn't always require major changes
[00:09] <fagan> well its all didrock's being awesome I just added a line to it :)
[00:33] <coz_> hey all
[06:14] <SteveC_> Hey there.  I am totally new at Ubuntu, and after a few days of using 10.10 with Unity, I realized I am missing my main system menu.  When I right click on the menu bar at the top, nothing happens.  However right clicking works most other places.  Is there a fix for this bug?
[06:56] <kvalo> morning
[10:04] <evaluate> umm, the indicator menu doesn't support text with underscores? You must be kidding me!
[11:12] <ronoc> hyperair, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bug/692887
[11:12]  * ronoc turns his attention to banshee integration bugs this week
[12:36] <vish> ronoc: neat..! :)
[12:46] <evaluate> hello
[12:46] <evaluate> any indicator dev here?
[13:51] <ronoc> evaluate, yup
[13:53] <evaluate> hey ronoc
[13:53] <ronoc> hey
[13:54] <evaluate> I noticed that underscores don't appear in indicator menu items, is this behavior intended?
[13:55] <ronoc> evaluate, I had noticed this before, do you mean the dbusmenuitem label string value ?
[13:56] <evaluate> ronoc, sorry, I'm not familiar with the terms you guys use
[13:56] <ronoc> evaluate, how have you noticed this ?
[13:57] <evaluate> ronoc, well, I'm working on a clipboard manager
[13:57] <evaluate> I use the menu to also show a history of the most recent copied items. If I copy items that contain underscores, the underscores don't appear in the menu
[13:57] <evaluate> for example if I copy 'g_gint64_format', in the menu I see: '
[13:58] <evaluate> 'ggint64format'
[13:58] <evaluate> if you want, I could paste you the exact steps I use to create the menu items...
[13:58] <ronoc> evaluate, ah so you are using the application indicator api ?
[13:58] <evaluate> ronoc, yeah
[13:59] <ronoc> evaluate, i have noticed this before but it could be true for some reason, the best thing to do would be to file a bug against application indicator
[14:00] <ronoc> evaluate, i work with the indicator stack but I'm not the owner
[14:00] <ronoc> evaluate, ted is on holiday's
[14:00] <evaluate> ronoc, yeah, I heard this name a lot of times recently. Who is he exactly? :-)
[14:01] <ronoc> evaluate, https://launchpad.net/~ted dx team - foundations
[14:01] <evaluate> btw, there are also problems with the formatting of menu items, which I have explained here: https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana-dev/msg00052.html
[14:01] <evaluate> I could eventually send a reply to this to also explain the underscore bug...
[15:00] <ronoc> kvalo -> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjcurran/indicator-sound/playlist-integration/+merge/44351
[15:00] <ronoc> or are you on holidays ?
[15:07] <kvalo> ronoc: not yet :) on it
[15:07] <ronoc> kvalo, thx
[15:14] <kvalo> ronoc: why did you remove the vapi file? it shouldn't be in bzr?
[15:15] <joaopinto> which package should I use to file a bug for the global menu ?
[15:15] <ronoc> kvalo,  not using it any more
[15:16] <kvalo> ronoc: ok. approved
[15:16]  * kvalo logs off now. happy holidays everyone
[15:16] <spikeb> you too kvalo
[15:17] <ronoc> kvalo, thanks man, have a nice holiday
[16:20] <kenvandine> joaopinto, indicator-appmenu
[16:22] <joaopinto> kenvandine, bug 693046, should I add task for indicator-appmenu ?
[16:22] <joaopinto> it was reported at appmenu-gtk
[16:23] <kenvandine> that is probably fine
[16:33] <Amaranth> DBO: Remember those small API/ABI changes I was talking about for compiz?
[16:33] <DBO> yes
[16:33] <Amaranth> DBO: I think it's better to think of it more as "I'm ripping the opengl plugin API to shreds and putting something back in"
[16:34] <DBO> Amaranth, please dont break it
[16:35] <Amaranth> DBO: The current API is basically not usable with OpenGL ES unless I build my own OpenGL state machine inside the gles plugin
[16:36] <Amaranth> Well, it's probably not _that_ bad
[16:36] <DBO> yeah its probably not
[16:36] <DBO> either way
[16:36] <DBO> dont break shit
[16:36] <Amaranth> But, for example, GLFragment is exposed to the public API in almost every single function call
[16:36] <Amaranth> GLES doesn't have fragment programs :)
[16:37] <DBO> are you sure about that
[16:37] <DBO> Amaranth, I am looking at the OpenGL ES spec right now
[16:37] <DBO> it can run fragment shaders
[16:38] <Amaranth> shaders are different
[16:38] <DBO> right, so here is what I am saying to you
[16:38] <DBO> there is a functionality that is provided by GLFragment
[16:38] <DBO> that is to say its used to make some rather simple transforms
[16:38] <DBO> (in compiz)
[16:38] <DBO> rather than try to port GLFragment
[16:38] <DBO> you are merely trying to port how it is used in compiz
[16:41] <Amaranth> yeah, perhaps I'll have better luck tossing the current code and just trying to implement the interface from scratch
[16:41] <DBO> Amaranth, in cases like that yes
[16:41] <DBO> Amaranth, my recollection is GLFragment in plugins is only used for a couple of things
[16:42] <DBO> I would suggest attemption to write a fragment shader that can do the same things
[16:42] <Amaranth> DBO: brightness, opacity, saturation
[16:42] <DBO> and exporting a new, similar struct
[16:42] <Amaranth> GLFragment::Attrib
[16:42] <DBO> right
[16:42] <DBO> so its not a hard problem to solve
[16:42] <Amaranth> blur is screwed though :)
[16:42] <DBO> fuck blur
[16:42] <DBO> dont worry about blur right now
[16:43] <DBO> worry about basic plugins
[16:43] <DBO> think "Ubuntu default plugin list"
[16:44] <Amaranth> Right now I'm just worried about the opengl plugin
[17:20] <jcastro> DBO: is bug #692444 bitesizeable?
[17:20] <jcastro> it feels bitesizeable
[17:20] <DBO> yeah
[17:21] <DBO> its a medium to hard bitesize
[17:21] <DBO> but its in the range
[17:39] <jcastro> DBO: the top panel is how many pixels up and down, 22px?
[17:39] <DBO> 24
[18:04] <vish> akshatj: hi, did you figure out how to file the bug in debian?
[19:30] <seiflotfy> kenvandine,
[19:30] <seiflotfy> where do i find some docu for
[19:30] <seiflotfy> IndicatorObjectEntry
[19:31] <kenvandine> should be in the libindicator-doc pacakge
[19:31] <kenvandine> package
[19:31] <seiflotfy> nothing there
[19:31] <seiflotfy> :(
[19:31] <seiflotfy> oh shit
[19:31] <seiflotfy> sorry
[19:32] <seiflotfy> there is only libappindicator docs in trunk
[19:49] <seiflotfy> kenvandine, i can detect indicators that are being removed from the panel
[19:50] <seiflotfy> how can i identify them
[19:50] <seiflotfy> ?
[19:50] <seiflotfy> is there any identifier for an indicator
[19:54] <Amaranth> DBO: So even trying my best there are going to be some API changes
[19:54] <Amaranth> DBO: They'll be additions but you'll have to use them
[19:54] <DBO> explain
[19:54] <Amaranth> GLShader, GLShaderManager, GLVertexBatch I have so far
[19:55] <Amaranth> So instead of glVertex3f and such you'll setup a GLVertexBatch, possibly setup a custom shader, and call batch->draw(shader)
[19:56] <Amaranth> hmm, exposing the shader in the draw method would make us depend on GL 2.0 on desktops too, might want to rethink that part...
[19:56] <Amaranth> I have no idea how nux and it's shaders are going to interact with this yet
[19:56] <Amaranth> err, its
[19:57] <Amaranth> DBO: Basically changes required to make up for there being no fixed function pipeline anymore
[19:57] <DBO> okay lets take it from the other approach here
[19:58] <DBO> lets ignore shaders for a moment and look at only those plugins that modify the transform of windows
[19:58] <DBO> (aka 90% of them)
[19:58] <DBO> with me?
[19:58] <Amaranth> DBO: The simple ones just push matrices around, they likely won't need any change
[19:58] <DBO> correct
[19:59] <Amaranth> If you do any extra drawing or special transformations though...
[19:59] <seiflotfy> kenvandine, where do i find stuff about IndicatorsModel
[19:59] <DBO> Amaranth, so for things like special transforms you need a vertex shader
[19:59] <Amaranth> Yeah
[19:59] <DBO> which means you need a way to either:
[20:00] <DBO> A) define a shader which can be "programmed" by some struct you can pass around
[20:00] <Amaranth> I'm going to need a way to allow plugins to add functions that the main shader will somehow know to call
[20:00] <kenvandine> seiflotfy, dunno, is that from libindicator?
[20:00] <kenvandine> or libappindicator?
[20:00] <DBO> B) Allow plugins to define their own additional shaders
[20:00] <seiflotfy> kenvandine, i am having an issue
[20:01] <seiflotfy> kenvandine, i can connect to entries rmeoved
[20:01] <DBO> Amaranth, A) certainly can cover a large number of cases, but not all
[20:01] <Amaranth> DBO: defining their own shaders entirely wouldn't work as we need to combine them all
[20:01] <seiflotfy> however i can not identify the entry properly
[20:01] <kenvandine> seiflotfy, appindicators?
[20:01] <Amaranth> I'm going to have a few stock shaders though
[20:01] <seiflotfy> nope
[20:01] <seiflotfy> all indicators
[20:01] <seiflotfy> i am working on some panel stuff
[20:01] <DBO> Amaranth, you cant run shaders sequentially?
[20:01] <kenvandine> so using libindicator?
[20:01] <seiflotfy> yeah
[20:01] <Amaranth> DBO: You can only have one main()
[20:02] <kenvandine> seiflotfy, i can't even see where IndicatorsModel come from
[20:02] <DBO> Amaranth, wtf are you talking about
[20:02] <Amaranth> DBO: And no, I don't think you can run them sequentially
[20:02] <DBO> Amaranth, hold on
[20:02] <seiflotfy> yeah
[20:02] <seiflotfy> model = IndicatorsModel.get_default ();
[20:02] <seiflotfy>         var indicators_list = model.get_indicators ();
[20:02] <seiflotfy> this is vala code
[20:02] <seiflotfy>  to get all indicators
[20:02] <seiflotfy> however none of them have a real identifier
[20:02] <Amaranth> DBO: Shaders are C-like, they have a main function
[20:02] <seiflotfy> not even an internal one
[20:02] <kenvandine> seiflotfy, but what library provides IndicatorsModel?
[20:03] <DBO> Amaranth, yes I know, but you can run multiple shaders
[20:03] <DBO> Amaranth, I know this because we do it in nux all the time
[20:03] <Amaranth> DBO: I'll have to look at how that is done
[20:03] <Amaranth> DBO: afaik you can have one vertex and one fragment shader per glDraw* call
[20:03] <seiflotfy> kenvandine, let me ask
[20:04] <DBO> Amaranth, you have to use an intermediate draw to do
[20:04] <DBO> which I suppose is a bit of a problem
[20:04] <Amaranth> DBO: Yeah, that sounds more complicated
[20:04] <seiflotfy> kenvandine, ok nm that
[20:04] <Amaranth> And would use more memory
[20:04] <kenvandine> seiflotfy, oh, that is libunity
[20:04] <seiflotfy> kenvandine, so i have a list of indicators
[20:05] <seiflotfy> kenvandine, how do i identify them uniqeuly
[20:05] <ion> I wonder if it was noticed that bug #686698 isn’t in fact fixed yet? I’m unable to change the status.
[20:05] <DBO> Amaranth, the approach I would take would be to attempt to define a shader that can be parameterized in such a way to replicate existing functionality
[20:05] <seiflotfy> lets say i want to create a hashtable with <id, indicator>
[20:05] <Amaranth> DBO: Yeah, as much as possible
[20:06] <Amaranth> DBO: I imagine I can get most of the way there with that
[20:07] <DBO> Amaranth, yes
[20:07] <DBO> I am trying to raise jaytaoko
[20:07] <DBO> see if I cant get you a better solution
[20:07] <Amaranth> DBO: but afaik there is a limit to the amount of parameters you can pass to a shader
[20:07] <DBO> there are
[20:07] <Amaranth> Unless I want to load data in as a fake texture :)
[20:07] <DBO> ew
[20:07] <Amaranth> Thats how GPGPU stuff works, I agree it's pretty ugly
[20:07] <DBO> well I mean what plugins are we talking about here...
[20:08] <Amaranth> DBO: I dunno, I haven't looked yet, that's why I'm focusing on stock shaders for now
[20:08] <Amaranth> DBO: Or at least I was until you got me in to thinking about the rest of it :)
[20:08] <kenvandine> seiflotfy, why do you need to identify them?
[20:08] <DBO> well I dont want you to have to go back and redo this
[20:09] <Amaranth> the limit is something terribly low though, iirc it's 8 uniforms
[20:09] <kenvandine> get_indicators returns an ArrayList
[20:09] <kenvandine> should be good enough
[20:09] <kenvandine> then iterate over the indicators to do things with them
[20:09] <Amaranth> DBO: I've already tossed out 3 or 4 half ports of the opengl plugin to get to this point, one more won't hurt
[20:10] <Amaranth> DBO: Ideally I could sit down in a room with onestone and smspillaz and hash this out in an hour or so but...
[20:10] <seiflotfy> kenvandine, thanks
[20:10] <DBO> Amaranth, you can compile multiple shader objects into a shader program
[20:10] <kenvandine> seiflotfy, if you really need an id, there is a get_indicator_name in IndicatorsModel
[20:10] <kenvandine> you can always use that to get the name and store that
[20:10] <kenvandine> but i would just use the list if you can
[20:11] <Amaranth> DBO: Yeah, I know the compiler will just concatenate them but I didn't think it would actually work correctly if each one defines a main function
[20:12] <DBO> dont have them define a main, they would need to implement a well known name
[20:12] <DBO> so each plugin defines a shader function name (if any) and then on load compiz makes its shader main call the functions in the right order, if the plugin requests its shader be enabled
[20:13] <Amaranth> DBO: Right, that's what I said a few minutes ago :)
[20:13] <DBO> Amaranth, sorry I must have missed that
[20:13] <Amaranth> DBO: Each plugin provides a function and core somehow figures out what functions to call and modifies the main function
[20:13] <DBO> but still, try to limit the number of plugins requiring that
[20:13] <Amaranth> absolutely, mesa can apparently get a bit weird with that
[20:14] <DBO> I would suggest a bit-field to enable/disable functions
[20:14] <Amaranth> there is a code size limit for the compiler, I think
[20:14] <DBO> so you dont have to recompile the shader
[20:14] <DBO> is the code size limit for the compiler or for the shader objects?
[20:14] <htorque> hello everyone! to which package does the battery indicator belong?
[20:15] <Amaranth> DBO: I don't remember, will have to check
[20:15] <Amaranth> DBO: I don't think it matter anymore anyway, mesa got a new shader compiler
[20:15] <DBO> htorque, I believe its part of gnome-power-manager
[20:16] <DBO> Amaranth, thats true!
[20:16] <htorque> DBO, thanks
[20:16] <Amaranth> Although I'm mostly going to be focusing on specific SoCs
[20:31] <Amaranth> hmm, I think I'm going to apply these changes to the current compiz to verify I've got the right idea before I start porting things to egl/gles
[21:16] <Amaranth> DBO: So, hey, when do we get window previews? You can't say compiz doesn't provide a way for you to get them anymore :)


[16:56] <tmarble> doko_: does Canonical have a formal Q/A "department" for upstreams -OR- for the distro overall?


[00:44] <OvenWerks> gartral: That is pretty skimpy information to go on. Can you give a recipe to create this problem along with the description of this problem.
[00:56] <craigbass76> Is there a way in MuseScore to have it temporarily just stick in whatever notes/rests you want without auto filling things?
[01:27] <tim167> hello, is it possible to install ubuntustudio 64bit alongside an ubuntustudio 32bit (dual-boot) ? if so, how? (the installer doesn't give me that option)
[01:43] <OvenWerks> tim167: use the something else option.
[01:59] <craigbass76> Any of the big band arrangements I'm trying to download won't play, because Musescore is too old.  Other than building from source, is there some other way to get them open?
[02:01] <craigbass76> Ah, I grabbed XML, but this version sounds very square compared to the one I heard on the uploaded scores part of the site
[02:01] <craigbass76> Is there some "Swing" button I'm supposed to hit to get rid of the cheesey straighter eighth feel?
[07:55] <FXpro> hi.
[07:56] <FXpro> I have an install problem if someone knows how to fix it.
[07:56] <cfhowlett> FXpro, details??
[07:56] <cfhowlett> !ask
[07:56] <FXpro> soundpimp.com sent me an osx file which I just uncompressed and it was a jar file which I uncompressed again.
[07:57] <cfhowlett> osx doesn't run on linux
[07:57] <FXpro> so now that it is uncompressed howdo I install it?
[07:57] <FXpro> just a sec
[07:57] <FXpro> let me get the email up
[07:57] <cfhowlett> find an apple computer.  install there.  OSX files do not run on linux.
[07:57] <FXpro> its not an osx file specifically
 soundpimp.com sent me an osx file  ???
[07:58] <FXpro> it might be the source code for their beta version
[07:59] <cfhowlett> FXpro, then they need to support it.  ask them how to install on linux or see the README that should have come with it.
[07:59] <FXpro> here is what the email said "es, we are interested in your findings. This is the OS X version, but it should work on Windows and Linux. Add .zip extension "
[08:00] <FXpro> how is it possible it would work on windows or linux if it is an osx version?
[08:00] <FXpro> I am a bit confused about that.
[08:00] <cfhowlett> FXpro, that is ALL the info they sent you?  no READme?
[08:01] <FXpro> they also sent an activation code with it.
[08:01] <FXpro> I requested a linux version for beta testing and they sent me an osx version.  heh...
[08:01] <FXpro> wtf
[08:02] <cfhowlett> poor level of support ...
[08:02] <FXpro> let me email them again and see what they come back with.  they have 3 versions, osx, windows, and linux.
[08:03] <FXpro> its suppose to be some very fancy sound enhancement 3d, surround sound dsp software.  cutting edge like dfx from fxsound.com for windows.
[08:03] <FXpro> unless that is already built into ubuntu studio then I wont mess with this at all.
[08:04] <cfhowlett> FXpro, I wouldn't especially as it's a beta.  unless you enjoy that sort of thing ...
[08:04] <FXpro> I just want it for playback more than anything from youtube.  dfx is a night and day difference in the sound quality.
[08:05] <FXpro> I mean it is a seriously noticable difference which is why dfx is so popular.
[08:05] <FXpro> sure would be nice if dfx supported other oses
[08:06] <FXpro> the dude who invented dfx is like phd status sound engineer right up there with dolby laboratories and all that.
[08:11] <FXpro> is there any kind of sound enhancement built into ubuntu studio?  I would think that would be a given sort of thing on these sound/multimedia distros for linux
[08:11] <cfhowlett> vlc has equalization and other options
[08:12] <FXpro> https://askubuntu.com/questions/469755/how-can-i-improve-the-quality-of-sound-in-ubuntu
[08:13] <FXpro> that is interesting.  the person installed ubuntu studio and the sound quality degraded a lot from windows 8.1
[08:13] <cfhowlett> he claims.   not possible.  2 unrelated, unconnected OS
[08:14] <FXpro> that is the same problem in the post as I was having with windows 7 due to the built in speakers.  after I added dfx that problem was fixed many times over.  in other words, it did a lot more than just a gain boost in the volume.
[08:16] <FXpro> studio uses jack not pulse audio so of course dont add pulse audio to the system.  jack is way better anyway right?
[08:16] <cfhowlett> whoa!!! jack is only used when recording.  NOT for playback
[08:16] <FXpro> oh really?  how do I pipe it through for playback too?
[08:17] <cfhowlett> !jack
[08:17] <cfhowlett> FXpro, have to see jack support for that
[08:17] <FXpro> ok.  do they have an irc channel?
[08:17] <cfhowlett> #opensourcemusicians would know
[08:17] <FXpro> you would htink they would do it automatically for recording and playback.
[08:17] <FXpro> ok let me try
[08:17] <sakrecoer_> i use jack for playback..
[08:18] <FXpro> ok great so you know how to fix it then
[08:18] <cfhowlett> sakrecoer_, cool.  perhaps you can advise.  hey, quickPM?
[08:18] <FXpro> can you help please?
[08:18] <sakrecoer_> sure
[08:18] <sakrecoer_> i'll try anyway :)
[08:19] <FXpro> awesome I brb.  gotta use bathroom and get some coffee etc
[08:28] <barney> hey there I'm newbee & (Y) 2 ask how i might B able 2 update sec.
[08:29] <cfhowlett> please use standard english to avoid confusion.
[08:30] <barney> urity (newer kernels) while my sys is calling "got 0-memSpace"
[08:30] <barney> ok, Iĺl do my best ;)
[08:30] <Unit193> barney: Hello, would you find it easier to communicate in German?  If so, there is #ubuntu-de.
[08:31] <barney> ah, thx Unit193
[08:31] <barney> byebye
[08:47] <FXpro> sakrecoer?
[08:49] <sakrecoer_> yep
[08:49] <sakrecoer_> FXpro :)
[08:50] <FXpro> ok so whats the procedure to get this done
[08:51] <sakrecoer_> i'm not sure i understood what you want to do FXpro , you want to enhance the soundquality of your built in speakers?
[08:51] <FXpro> yes.  or use some sort of method to process all playback globally if possible.
[08:52] <FXpro> via a dsp stack build it would be the easiest I think.
[08:52] <sakrecoer_> but you don't have a soundcard except from the one that is built in?
[08:52] <FXpro> correct
[08:52] <FXpro> its just a crappy laptop with crappy audio.
[08:53] <sakrecoer_> well, we can't expect mirracles with this setup, an EQ, a compressor should already do a lot
[08:53] <FXpro> compaq cq57-229wm I added 8gb of ram to which doesnt seem to help much on performance.
[08:53] <sakrecoer_> good machine
[08:53] <sakrecoer_> but the sound can't be better than what your speakers can deliver.
[08:54] <FXpro> no.  its a crappy machine.  it uses an amd c50 1ghz dual cpu.  bottom of the barrel really but it was a freebie so its the experiment computer.
[08:54] <sakrecoer_> and what is the source for sound?
[08:54] <FXpro> built in audio.
[08:54] <FXpro> would you like to know the exact chip and all that?
[08:54] <sakrecoer_> yes, but are you playing back audio files in audacious...
[08:54] <sakrecoer_> no no no need as of now
[08:54] <FXpro> nope.  streaming off the internet mostly.
[08:55] <sakrecoer_> ok... so i would open QjackCtl and start it...
[08:55] <FXpro> k
[08:56] <sakrecoer_> click on the button that says "connection"
[08:56] <FXpro> ok.  pretty fancy already.  I have not really used this distro much yet
[08:57] <sakrecoer_> jack is jack, we distribute it, but it is the same on every distro .... in the audio tab, you should see your available audio clients.
[08:57] <FXpro> I do.  2 on either side of the list with lines drawn to each other
[08:58] <sakrecoer_> so now if you open pulse audio
[08:58] <sakrecoer_> and you have say firefox open... you should see an entry fro firefox in pulse
[08:58] <sakrecoer_> change it from built in analoge to Jack sink
[08:58] <FXpro> readable is on the left, and writable is on the right.  which side to I open?
[08:58] <sakrecoer_> and you should be able to hear the sound
[08:59] <FXpro> hmmm, ok let me try
[08:59] <sakrecoer_> wait
[08:59] <sakrecoer_> pulse is lockated in the speaker icon on the menu bar of the desktop
[08:59] <sakrecoer_> "Sound Settings..."
[09:00] <sakrecoer_> FXpro: don't be so quick...:D
[09:01] <FXpro> in the volume controls it says built in analog audio
[09:02] <sakrecoer_> have you started jack?
[09:03] <FXpro> but it gives another option "jack sink"
[09:03] <FXpro> yes
[09:03] <sakrecoer_> once JACK is open, you need to start it with the big play button in the top left corner
[09:03] <sakrecoer_> it says "start"
[09:03] <FXpro> it is started already
[09:03] <FXpro> that was the first thing i did per instruction
[09:03] <sakrecoer_> ok, and you get no options to chose jack sink in colume controls?
[09:04] <sakrecoer_> volume controls
[09:04] <FXpro> it is in the list under volume controls but the default is "build in analog"
[09:04] <sakrecoer_> yes, change it to jack sink
[09:04] <sakrecoer_> in the playback tab..
[09:04] <FXpro> ok done.  its playing off youtube now.
[09:05] <sakrecoer_> of course you need to have an application, say firefox, actualy playing sound
[09:05] <sakrecoer_> perfect
[09:05] <FXpro> interesting it started playing when I switched to jack
[09:05] <sakrecoer_> now start calf plugin pack for jack
[09:05] <sakrecoer_> are you on 15.10?
[09:05] <FXpro> I can close all those wiindows now?
[09:06] <sakrecoer_> no no...
[09:06] <sakrecoer_> leave them open but you can have them in the background
[09:06] <sakrecoer_> or minimize them
[09:06] <FXpro> connections are set to default still.  leave it?
[09:07] <sakrecoer_> have you found "calf plugin pack for jack" in the menu?
[09:07] <FXpro> I am using whatever the latest distro is.  it wants an update though right now.
[09:07] <sakrecoer_> should be under "audio precoessors"
[09:07] <FXpro> have not looked yet
[09:07] <sakrecoer_> try find it :) it is just one out of many things that can do what you want
[09:07] <FXpro> ok its open now.
[09:08] <sakrecoer_> try add the multiband compressor in "calf plugin for jack" and see what happens in the "connections" window of JACK
[09:08] <FXpro> its got all kinds of stuff on the list.  nice.
[09:08] <sakrecoer_> yes... no the sound of firefox is comming out of the readable client called PulseAudio JACK sink
[09:09] <sakrecoer_> disconnect it from the writeable client "system"
[09:09] <sakrecoer_> and connect it to "calf multiband compressor"
[09:09] <FXpro> calf adds in the connections window
[09:10] <sakrecoer_> then the "readable"" client of calf should be connected to the WRITABLE system entry... normaly, this way the sound will go from firefox thru pulsesink, then thru calf, and in the speakers.
[09:10] <FXpro> ok so switch it in the readable window on the left from pulse to calf?
[09:11] <sakrecoer_> readable pulse should be connected to writeble calf
[09:11] <sakrecoer_> readable "calf", should be connected to writeable "system"
[09:12] <sakrecoer_> wait i'll send you a screenshot :)
[09:12] <FXpro> hmmm, how do I get it to connect?
[09:12] <FXpro> wow, I am impressed so far with this distro.  very professional right off the bat.
[09:13] <sakrecoer_> did the connections work? if so, now you can press the "edit" button in calf JACK host
[09:13] <sakrecoer_> and you will see the settings for calf multiband
[09:14] <FXpro> edit is how you change it from default then?
[09:14] <sakrecoer_> you see the calf window?
[09:14] <sakrecoer_> not the one in jack...
[09:14] <sakrecoer_> the actual calf program
[09:15] <FXpro> oh I am in the connections window just a sec
[09:15] <sakrecoer_> there is a big button called "edit" next to a button called "remove"
[09:15] <FXpro> yup I see it
[09:15] <sakrecoer_> and you see the multibandcompressor ?
[09:16] <FXpro> ok so I open edit and another large windows with meters opens
[09:16] <FXpro> yes
[09:16] <sakrecoer_> in the middle row of this window, there are 4 tabs
[09:16] <sakrecoer_> located the button "bypass"
[09:16] <sakrecoer_> in each tab, pres the bypass button
[09:16] <sakrecoer_> and you should here some mad compression going on.. :)
[09:17] <FXpro> bypass is already highlighted light blue by default
[09:17] <sakrecoer_> yes, so trun it off ;)
[09:17] <FXpro> ok
[09:17] <sakrecoer_> we DO not want it to bypass, bypass means it dosen't enter it
[09:18] <sakrecoer_> this is just an example, multiband compressor..
[09:18] <sakrecoer_> to do what you want to do, i would use 3 effects
[09:18] <sakrecoer_> FIRST (and its important) a 5 band EQ or 8 bands... up to your taste
[09:18] <sakrecoer_> THEN multiband compressor
[09:18] <sakrecoer_> then limiter
[09:19] <FXpro> ahhh, ummm, the play back meters are not going.
[09:19] <FXpro> that means its not working right?
[09:19] <sakrecoer_> play back meters of what?
[09:19] <sakrecoer_> compressor?
[09:20] <FXpro> multiband compressor
[09:20] <FXpro> yeah
[09:20] <sakrecoer_> is it connected in jack...
[09:20] <FXpro> nice looking software, very professional looking stuff
[09:20] <sakrecoer_> sorry let me send you this screen shot...
[09:20] <FXpro> ok
[09:21] <FXpro> in the connections windows, pulse is connected to system and system is connected to pulse on the left and the right
[09:23] <sakrecoer_> ok... do you see the calf entry in that window?
[09:23] <sakrecoer_> cant find the paste site anymore... sorry
[09:23] <sakrecoer_> just a sec...
[09:23] <FXpro> I just disconnected it all
[09:24] <FXpro> dont use pulse and only use calf?
[09:24] <FXpro> or, connect calf to the system only and leave pulse out completely?
[09:25] <sakrecoer_> FXpro: http://pasteboard.co/VMlsE4Z.png
[09:25] <sakrecoer_> like that :)
[09:26] <sakrecoer_> pulse sink is what brings your system sound into jack
[09:26] <sakrecoer_> once in jack, you can route the sound through virtualy anything
[09:27] <sakrecoer_> but of course, if you send it to say calf, you need to send it FROM calf as well, into the system speaker..
[09:27] <sakrecoer_> its confusing, because it allows you to connect ANYTHING ANYWHERE...
[09:27] <sakrecoer_> but it gives you many possibilities
[09:28] <FXpro> working.  very nice.
[09:28] <sakrecoer_> now i will add a limiter and show you how i connect it :)
[09:28] <sakrecoer_> just a sec
[09:29] <FXpro> damn, this is fancy spancy
[09:30] <sakrecoer_> FXpro: http://pasteboard.co/VMELAqr.png
[09:30] <FXpro> most of it is done in software all you need is a high quality hardware input via usb or firewire and you are set for pro recording or playback
[09:30] <sakrecoer_> you see? if i add an effect to chain, i also have to connect it
[09:30] <sakrecoer_> FXpro: yes! it's super stuff!! if you ask me, i'd say its "prograde hightech mega cool"... but that is just my opinion :D
[09:31] <sakrecoer_> once you get a soundcard, it becomes 10x more fun!
[09:32] <sakrecoer_> you see all your soundcard inputs and outputs and you can route howcever you want
[09:32] <FXpro> its mega studio packed into a linux distro.  on a mac or a pc this is like thousands of dollars worth of software.
[09:32] <sakrecoer_> yes...
[09:32] <FXpro> development has really come a long way since the last time I looked at this stuff
[09:33] <sakrecoer_> in many ways, i tend to think audio tools on GNU/Linux are as close to a blessing i can get :D
[09:33] <sakrecoer_> and progess has been made in video too <3
[09:33] <sakrecoer_> it's a great time to be alive!
[09:34] <sakrecoer_> now i will send you a picture where i listen to my adjustments of the sound of firefox, AND record it in audacity
[09:36] <FXpro> ok I see
[09:36] <FXpro> so you can connect whatever to whatever basically
[09:37] <sakrecoer_> yeah... and each readbale client can be connected to MANY writable clients
[09:37] <sakrecoer_> so you can connect the last step of calf to the system speaker, and to the recorder...
[09:37] <sakrecoer_> for some reason, now audacity wont cooperate with me...
[09:37] <sakrecoer_> :(
[09:37] <FXpro> so like once you start stacking multiples of these modules, exactly why a low latency kernel is required.
[09:38] <sakrecoer_> you got it allrgiht! :)
[09:39] <sakrecoer_> FXpro: ok got it working... ill send you screen shot in a minute
[09:39] <FXpro> wow its lagging the video files playback pretty bad
[09:40] <FXpro> here is the file I am using for the test of this
[09:41] <sakrecoer_> http://pasteboard.co/VNny15u.png here are the settings in audacity...
[09:41] <sakrecoer_> to record the output
[09:41] <sakrecoer_> then you jsut hit record when you are ready
[09:41] <sakrecoer_> is it video from youtube?
[09:41] <FXpro> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ-Kq6eMnrshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ-Kq6eMnrs
[09:42] <sakrecoer_> yeah... youtube needs a lot.... :/
[09:42] <sakrecoer_> but if you have a decent number of tabs open, it should work fine
[09:42] <FXpro> yeah just a high quality sound source streamed for testing and that is a great recording.  drums on that recording sound so much better than the original recording.
[09:42] <sakrecoer_> given you do not go overkill on effects..
[09:43] <FXpro> dude, this ficken forex market is pissing me off.
[09:43] <FXpro> I didnt average down and the market cratered against me and now it just reversed and popped huge.
[09:43] <FXpro> cunts!  I swear the banks got it all rigged huge.
[09:43] <sakrecoer_> ya.... FXpro ... please, mind the rest of the people in the channel...
[09:43] <sakrecoer_> ;)
[09:44] <FXpro> oh sorrya bout that.  just a pisser is all.  you gotta be like lazer attention when you are dealing in markets.
[09:44] <sakrecoer_> ye.... it's ok, but try to stay on topic :)
[09:45] <sakrecoer_> you can query me if you feel like ranting about the market... not sure i have much to say or much advice, but i can take a little excess steam for you :)
[09:45] <FXpro> often what the banksters do is run stops first then flip flop the market the other direction after.  its why many people lose in markets.  anyway, just happened is why I was talking about it.
[09:45] <sakrecoer_> please :)
[09:45] <FXpro> now, this sounds much better already
[09:46] <sakrecoer_> cool!!!
[09:46]  * sakrecoer_ highfives FXpro
[09:46] <FXpro> add an eq?
[09:46] <sakrecoer_> why not? :)
[09:46] <FXpro> that dfx software uses a 10 band eq.  I suppose that is very subjective however.
[09:46] <sakrecoer_> i learned that its common parctice to place the EQ before the compressor..
[09:47] <FXpro> pro eqs are like 15band usually right?
[09:47] <sakrecoer_> but i'm sure you can get good result placing it wherever you feel it should be:)
[09:47] <sakrecoer_> calf is just one of many plugin devs for linux..
[09:47] <sakrecoer_> i picked it for you because it is fairly intuitive
[09:47] <FXpro> wait, so put the eq first then add effects.  makes sense.
[09:47] <sakrecoer_> you could also use JACK rack
[09:48] <FXpro> do I have to start from the beginning or how do I add it now at the end?
[09:48] <sakrecoer_> just find JACK rack in the menu and open it
[09:48] <sakrecoer_> then press the big "+" button and picj an effect
[09:49] <sakrecoer_> you could also use JAMin
[09:49] <sakrecoer_> JAMin is a mastering suit..
[09:50] <sakrecoer_> you have 30 bands EQ
[09:50] <sakrecoer_> multiband compressor
[09:50] <sakrecoer_> and a limiter built in one software..
[09:55] <FXpro> hmmmm, wow, so many different options.
[09:55] <sakrecoer_> yeah... :p
[09:55] <sakrecoer_> sexy software :p
[09:55] <FXpro> if you learned this software like the back of your hand, its a pro studio on any computer.
[09:55] <sakrecoer_> yes
[09:55] <FXpro> take it anywhere and you can do pretty much anything with sound.
[09:56] <FXpro> and this is just the sound section.
[09:56] <sakrecoer_> yes, and you can give a copy of it to your friends <3
[09:56] <FXpro> and its free?
[09:56] <FXpro> heh....
[09:56] <sakrecoer_> collaborate regardless of the market-fluctuations ;)
[09:56] <FXpro> a lot of tech geeks however just do it for fun really.
[09:56] <sakrecoer_> (given you have a computer, of course)
[09:57] <sakrecoer_> i'd say "for passion" but i get your point :)
[09:57] <FXpro> like, develop this high end stuff on an open source platform like likux.
[09:57] <cfhowlett> sakrecoer_, please send me the login page again.  now on my home unit
[09:59] <FXpro> damn, ok so like the video is bugging out on youtube.
[10:00] <FXpro> hmmm, you really need a beefy computer for this
[10:01] <cfhowlett> http://libremusicproduction.com/articles/configuring-linux-music-recording-and-production
[10:01] <FXpro> when I add the eq using the calf panel, where does it attach to?
[10:02] <sakrecoer_> FXpro: it dosen't. it waits for you to attach it to something
[10:02] <sakrecoer_> you find it in the Connections window of JACK
[10:02] <FXpro> right so what do I attach it to?
[10:02] <cfhowlett> sakrecoer_, no mention of wallpaper contest on the admin page...
[10:04] <FXpro> pulse or system playback?
[10:04] <FXpro> wait, its just a daisy chain sort of thing
[10:04] <FXpro> so one into the other into the other and the last one on the chain goes to main out
[10:06] <sakrecoer_> FXpro: look what i did here: http://pasteboard.co/VMELAqr.png
[10:06] <sakrecoer_> its pulse sink-> multibandcompressor. then multiband-> limiter. then limiter-> system
[10:08] <FXpro> I have  the same settings I want to add the eq now, just the 5 band eq from calf is fine.
[10:09] <FXpro> whats nice is using those together in one stack makes it easier at least visually
[10:12] <sakrecoer_> FXpro: so add it, and then you disconnect pulseink from multiband. then connect pulsesink to EQ. then EQ to multiband ;)
[10:12] <FXpro> oh wait, I route the limiter to the eq and then the eq to out.
[10:12] <FXpro> very nice.  simple too.
[10:14] <FXpro> there are two outputs, system and pulse
[10:14] <FXpro> use pulse is better or?
[10:18] <FXpro> graphical response is crap on this computer but it works nicely otherwise
[10:21] <sakrecoer_> the pulse output in jack, you could use for example to route the output of your effects into skype
[10:21] <sakrecoer_> or any VoIP client
[10:21] <sakrecoer_> call a freind with a monster voice :p
[10:21] <sakrecoer_> but to hear the sound in your speakers, better use the system output..
[10:21] <sakrecoer_> outpu=writeable clients
[10:21] <FXpro> when I switch the patch to pulse no sound comes through.
[10:22] <FXpro> that is from the eq to pulse
[10:22] <FXpro> pulse is for output too right?
[10:22] <FXpro> there is a system output and the pulse output
[10:24] <FXpro> if you want to custom craft sound this is a great way to do it.
[10:24] <sakrecoer_> pulse is output yes... but its not output to speaker...
[10:24] <sakrecoer_> it is for system programs that have an input
[10:25] <FXpro> ic.
[10:25] <sakrecoer_> so if you set you VoIP client to read audio from pulse sink in jack, it will process that audio..
[10:25] <FXpro> hey question, when  drummer for example is wearing ear buds, what are they using?
[10:25] <FXpro> obviously not cheezwize ear pieces.
[10:25] <sakrecoer_> i don't know... but hopefully they use good ones :D
[10:25] <FXpro> ic.  I do have skype, tox and a few others I was testing.  I use skype for general stuff
[10:26] <FXpro> or mostly I use skype because everyone else is using it.  tox however is fully open source and strong encrypted.  its a skype replacement being developed.
[10:26] <sakrecoer_> so if you want to send your audio from calf to TOX, you need to connect calf to pulse sink writebale client, and tell TOX to use pulse jack sink
[10:28] <sakrecoer_> i got to logoff... have fun FXpro !
[10:31] <FXpro> thank you
[21:35] <franklin_> How do I set the default sound device in Ubuntu Studio 15.1
[21:37] <franklin_> Having trouble getting output sound through my new Scarlett 18i20 usb 2.0 sound interface
[21:37] <zequence> franklin_: desktop audio (pulseaudio), or jack?
[21:37] <zequence> !proaudio
[21:38] <franklin_> Ok thankyou
[21:39] <zequence> franklin_: If you're using qjackctl, just start with the simple stuff first. Select the correct audio device, and the go from there
[21:40] <zequence> Do not edit input and output separately. That might cause you problems. Only do that if you have to
[21:41] <zequence> Also, if you want to start from scratch, a good idea is to reboot first
[21:42] <franklin_> Thanks under the audio tab it says system and ardour
[21:42] <franklin_> I have a USB Scarlett 18i20
[21:51] <franklin_> Under set up I have selected The Scarlett USB 18i20 but sound output is muted.  I have read that most sound devices are muted by default how do I un mute it.


[00:22] <flint> Good evening from frozen Vermont, is it traditional in Xubuntu to use native or ndis drivers for wireless pcmcia cards?
[00:22] <mmirsm> /bye
[02:14] <keb> i have a fedora 6 system with 4GB free HD space.  will it be possible to do a remote install of Xubuntu 8.04 onto that?
[02:16] <keb> the idea is to migrate over all the app data afterwards, and then wipe the fedora
[05:21] <alex_mayorga> how can I redetect my video card?
[05:21] <alex_mayorga> I'm stuck at a very low res
[06:17] <simi> hi, i am new to xubuntu, i used ubuntu and kubuntu and now i am tring xubuntu
[06:17] <simi> where i can increase the system font size?
[06:19] <simi> i managed to increase the system font but is posible that all aplication to use this fnts like in gnome or kde?
[06:20] <nanito> hi, can anyone help me troubleshoot my video? I'm stuck at 640*480 :(
[06:22] <nanito> I've just migrated from win95
[06:22] <nanito> and used to have 1024*728
[06:22] <nanito> !video
[06:22] <ubotu> Ubuntu 7.04 installs multimedia codecs automatically. For older versions of Ubuntu, or if you can't use the automatic installer, see https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - For multimedia applications, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications
[06:22] <nanito> !xorg
[06:22] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:22] <simi> hi\
[06:22] <simi> you need to reconfigure your xorg
[06:23] <nanito> simi: me?
[06:23] <simi> nanito: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:23] <simi> you will be asked many questions
[06:24] <simi> if you do not know just accespt the default
[06:24] <simi> and press enter
[06:24] <simi> you will eventualy reach a point where you must select the resolutions you want to use
[06:24] <simi> select the ones you need
[06:25] <simi> i belive that you must press Space bar to select a resolution
[06:25] <simi> after reconfiguring try to log out
[06:25] <simi> then you can chose the resolution
[06:26] <forces> hi!
[06:26] <nanito> simi: thanks I'll try that
[06:27] <simi> that works always
[06:27] <simi> it happend for me the same problem after an update
[06:28] <simi> and i just typed in google ubuntu reconfigure xorg and i found the command because i do not remembered it corectly
[06:32] <simi> nanito: tell me if it works or not
[06:38] <nanito> simi: didn't work
[06:39] <simi> nanito: do you select the resolutions you wanted? restart X?
[06:40] <nanito> yes I googled your suggestion and push ctrl+alt+bksp
[06:40] <nanito> then I login again and it's back at 640 :(
[06:41] <nanito> my monitor is an old unbranded 12"
[06:41] <simi> and had no appeared other resolutions in the display manager? oor where you want to set it?
[06:43] <nanito> no, it only show 640 and 320 now the monitor is named Custom1
[06:43] <simi> you can try to set this manualy http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-426193.html
[06:44] <nanito> this is my video card 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82740 (i740) AGP Graphics Accelerator (rev 21)
[06:44] <simi> but try again the recon figuration program
[06:45] <simi> there will ask you the video card, usualy it selects it corect but check to be sure
[06:45] <simi> for me always select corect the video card and the open source driver for me is ATI
[06:46] <simi> try to ask in #ubuntu or #kubuntu because is not specific tu xubuntu
[06:46] <simi> and maybe you can find other solutions
[06:49] <simi> nanito:  and maybe they know more about your card, for me always vorked that solution
[07:52] <the_alamo> does anyone have a suggestion for a movie organizer or cataloguer?
[08:54] <Ov4l> folks, hello. i just wanted to asked you about thunar and hardy. is gvfs in xubuntu ?
[09:21] <s_arts> Hi
[09:22]  * s_arts loves xubuntu 8.04 :)
[09:51] <maristo> hi
[09:53] <s_arts> hi
[09:57] <maristo> I have no problems, and i have no questions...
[09:57] <s_arts> ok
[09:57] <s_arts> neither have I
[11:21] <locales> hello
[11:21] <locales> does anyone know how you can change java's locales?
[11:27] <s_arts> you could ignore them
[11:52] <simu> my xubuntu opens text files with abiword by default, I'm suprised there is no simple gui-editor preinstalled. what editor can I install that fits xubuntu?
[11:52] <s_arts> mousepad
[11:55] <simu> ah thank you
[14:02] <nanito> hi, anyone familiar with this error when updating a new install: dpkg: error al procesar /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.6.1-1ubuntu10_i386.deb (--unpack):
[14:02] <nanito>  files list file for package `libots0' is missing final newline
[14:14] <nanito> I'm also still stuck at 640 by 480
[14:14] <nanito> please help
[14:18] <keb> nanito did you check the /etc/Xorg.0.log to see which resolutions the driver said were compatible with yourmonitor?
[14:18] <keb> er
[14:18] <keb> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[14:20] <nanito> I'm a total newbie, just disembarked from win95
[14:20] <nanito> let me check that
[14:21] <nanito> thanks on the help
[14:23] <nanito> ked what I'm looking for, there seem to be a lot of info there
[14:24] <keb> look for errors
[14:24] <keb> or lines that mention supported resolutions
[14:24] <keb> or modes
[14:24] <nanito> this seem insteresting  I740(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range)
[14:24] <keb> exactly
[14:24] <nanito> I used to have that resolution on win95
[14:25] <keb> it is likely that the capabilities of your monitor are not available or being used by the Xorg driver
[14:26] <nanito> do I nees my monitor driver?
[14:26] <nanito> I've reinstalled xubuntu a couple of times to no avail
[14:27] <nanito> I've also used "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phig xseerver-xorg" as per suggestions of people here, but it didn't help either
[14:27] <keb> you need to get the specs for your monitor to see what hsync and vsync it supports
[14:27] <keb> vrefresh
[14:27] <keb> assuming the automatic configuration didnt work for you
[14:28] <nanito> that would be hard, I was given this old clone machine to play with
[14:28] <nanito> but I don't have the specs for the monitor
[14:29] <nanito> the label on the monitor says "Fountain Technologies" and that's about it :(
[14:29] <keb> you need to know your hardware's specs to use that script also
[14:29] <keb> because it lets you pick out the available resolutions
[14:29] <keb> check the back for manufacturer and model
[14:29] <nanito> is there a command to figure that out?
[14:30] <nanito> model L503BGD maker Fountain Technologies
[14:30] <keb> well the automatic detection must have failed so probly not for your case
[14:31] <nanito> I've googled that but the company seems o be gone now
[14:31] <nanito> what's the command for auto detection of modes?
[14:32] <nanito> keb do you want to se my X.log?
[14:32] <nanito> by the way, thanks a loot on helping me out
[14:32] <keb> ok. use pastebin.ca or something like that
[14:35] <nanito> keb http://pastebin.ca/953921
[14:37] <keb> yep its having trouble finding resolutions for your monitor
[14:38] <nanito> so am I, seems like they gave a bunch of junk :(
[14:39] <keb> how many colors did you get when using Win95?
[14:39] <nanito> 24K
[14:39] <keb> 24bit?
[14:39] <nanito> or more, I lowered it to 24 for "better" response
[14:40] <nanito> yes, when I do de reconfigure command it does pick up 24 automatically
[14:43] <keb> ok can you cd /etc/X11 and look at xorg.conf ?
[14:44] <nanito> I'm looking, what do you need?
[14:45] <nanito> do I paste it as well?
[14:45] <keb> find the Section "Monitor" where it says Identifier "Monitor genérico"
[14:45] <keb> nope
[14:45] <nanito> found it
[14:45] <keb> what HorizSync is listed there, if any
[14:46] <nanito> theres no such thing
[14:46] <keb> is there anything in that section?
[14:47] <nanito> Option          "DPMS" is the only other line on that section
[14:47] <keb> ok we need to find some generic monitor specs that won't blow up your monitor
[14:47] <nanito> Oh I also know the monitor is 12 inch
[14:47] <brownknight> hello guys. first time here on xubuntu irc
[14:49] <nanito> brownknight hi, welcome
[14:50] <keb> my googling shows the L503BGD seems to be 15"
[14:51] <nanito> let me get my tape
[14:52] <nanito> Ok, I've measured it, the window is a bit shy of 15
[14:53] <nanito> keb please pardon my english, I speak spanish :)
[14:53] <keb> ok
[14:53] <keb> no problemo
[14:53] <nanito> :D gracias
[14:55] <keb> ok we should be safe with the following settings
[14:55] <keb>     HorizSync 30-50
[14:55] <keb> wait
[14:56] <keb> make a backup copy of your xorg.conf file first ;)
[14:56] <nanito> OK
[14:56] <nanito> cp right
[14:56] <keb> yes
[14:56] <nanito> OK, done
[14:57] <keb> now edit the file and in the Section "Monitor" under the DPMS line add the above
[14:57] <nanito> HorizSync 30-50
[14:57] <keb> and also:    VertRefresh     50-90
[14:58] <nanito> done Horis and Vert
[14:58] <keb> it is possible your monitor can do 1280x1024 but let's not take too many risks
[14:59] <nanito> if it goes to 800 I'll be happy :)
[14:59] <keb> note spelling HorizSync
[14:59] <nanito> from some googling it seems that 24 is also to high
[14:59] <nanito> OH yes, I copy/paste but then got it wrong
[14:59] <keb> ok next move down in the file to the Section "Screen"
[15:00] <nanito> I'm there
[15:01] <nanito> I've changed  DefaultDepth    24 to  DefaultDepth    16 :)
[15:01] <keb> does it have a DefaultDepth ?
[15:01] <keb> good
[15:01] <keb> ok in the SubSection "Display" what are the Modes listed?
[15:02] <nanito> Modes           "1280x1024" "1024x768" "832x624" "720x400" "640x480" "640x400" "640x350"
[15:02] <keb> try change them to  only "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[15:02] <nanito> OK
[15:03] <nanito> done
[15:04] <keb> now save the file
[15:04] <keb> are you on the same computer now as you  are changing?
[15:04] <nanito> I'm on the computer with the problem
[15:04] <nanito> it's my only one :(
[15:05] <keb> you will have to restart X.  you can do it by pressing Ctrl-Backspace or by rebooting
[15:05] <nanito> does it make a difference? which is better?
[15:05] <keb> i only have one also :)
[15:05] <keb> if it does not work, you can login with text mode and put back the original file
[15:05] <nanito> OK
[15:06] <keb> probably both are same for this purpose
[15:06] <nanito> let me reboot, whish me luck and thanks yet again
[15:06] <keb> good luck
[15:07] <keb> i have to go so i might not be here
[15:07] <keb> when you get back
[15:08] <keb> wb
[15:09] <nanito> keb I owe you THANKS!!
[15:09] <keb> :)))
[15:09] <keb> you can change modes by pressing Ctrl-Alt-+ or Ctrl-Alt--
[15:10] <keb> your computer reboots fast
[15:10] <nanito> I pressed the keys rather than reboot
[15:10] <nanito> :D
[15:11] <keb> nice
[15:11] <keb> ok i must vamos
[15:11] <keb> bye
[15:11] <nanito> muchas gracias ;)
[15:12] <nanito> is there a way to go Hardy from Gusty
[15:21] <flint> Good evening from frozen Vermont, is it traditional in Xubuntu to use native or ndis drivers for wireless pcmcia cards?
[15:21] <flint> Good afternoon from frozen Vermont, is it traditional in Xubuntu to use native or ndis drivers for wireless pcmcia cards?
[15:21] <flint> Yea, that's better...
[15:39] <nanito> any help for these errors: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/language-pack-gnome-en-base_1%3a7.10+20080205_all.deb: files list file for package `libots0' is missing final newline
[15:39] <nanito> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/language-pack-es_1%3a7.10+20080229_all.deb: files list file for package `libots0' is missing final newline
[16:07] <flint> thought I would hang on here and see what the xbuntu chats are like...
[16:14] <nanito> anyone aware of problems on libots0 package?
[16:15] <nanito> libots0_0.4.2+cvs.2004.02.20-1.1build1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[16:15] <nanito>  files list file for package `libots0' is missing final newline
[16:27] <siggjen> chat? when did that happen?
[19:10] <nathan42100> question, is it possible to download the xubuntu binaries and set up grub to boot them or do I have to do a whole separate install of it?
[19:36] <theunixgeek_> I can't get my screen resolution over 800x600. I did the dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg thing and enabled restricted drivers, but it won't let me go to 1280x1024. How do I fix this?
[20:23] <vidd> anyone know where the .deb's are on the web site(s) so i can dl the app im having an issue with and not use apt-get?
[20:26] <siggjen> you will find the ftp or http url in /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:27] <vidd> there are no .deb files listed there
[20:28] <vidd> found it...packages.ubuntu.com
[20:29] <siggjen> the .deb files you have downloaded will usually be placed in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[20:30] <vidd> and they are all scewed up
[20:30] <siggjen> sounds strange
[20:31] <vidd> it is strange that a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade would mess up apt so bad that you cant install anything else
[20:32] <siggjen> can you paste the error messages to a web pastebin?
[20:33] <vidd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60779/
[20:34] <siggjen> have you done anything to perl?
[20:34] <vidd> not that I know of
[20:35] <vidd> all we did was sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:37] <siggjen> could you try apt-get install gcc-4.2-base
[20:37] <siggjen> ?
[20:40] <vidd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60784/
[20:40] <vidd> its just not configured...and wont let itsself get configured
[20:41] <siggjen> apt-get install zlib1g
[20:42] <vidd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60785/
[20:42] <siggjen> which version did you upgrade from?
[20:43] <vidd> 7.10
[20:43] <vidd> to 7.10
[20:43] <siggjen> very strange
[20:43] <vidd> i agree
[20:43] <vidd> i did a fresh net-install last night
[20:44] <siggjen> do you have a fast internet line?
[20:44] <siggjen> if so i's apt-get clean
[20:44] <vidd> my partner install light-httpd, did update and dist-upgrade...poof, messed up system
[20:45] <vidd> working....
[20:45] <siggjen> then doublecheck that /var/cache/apt/archives/ are empty, then try to apt-get install gcc-4.2-base
[20:48] <vidd> methinks we got it
[20:48] <vidd> at least it didnt fail yet
[20:49] <siggjen> let's hope so (:
[20:50] <siggjen> you might have been unlucky and upgraded while the server was rsyncing the packages
[20:50] <vidd> sounds like my kind of luck
[20:51] <siggjen> as long as it is fixable it's not that bad (:
[20:51] <vidd> i KNOW its fixable (its linux, not windows) the question was HOW
[20:52] <vidd> without formatting the whole thing of course
[20:52] <vidd> =]
[20:52] <siggjen> mhm (:
[20:54] <siggjen> shows the strength of the apt system again
[20:54] <vidd> I think (based on the solution you provided that seems to be working) that the issue was caused by importing a drive with /var data that was on debian and not ubuntu....
[20:54] <siggjen> there might be a source of problem there yes
[20:54] <siggjen> you can install debian and then upgrade it to ubuntu
[20:55] <vidd> I had to exclude that /var dive in order to get ubuntu to load
[20:55] <siggjen> i don't think it's a good idea
[20:55] <vidd> well...install...not load
[20:56] <vidd> uh-oh! i think in my tinkering that i deleted the ubuntu-keyring
[20:56] <siggjen> uhum
[20:56] <siggjen> that shouldn't be too hard to fix
[20:56] <siggjen> guess google has lots of hits there
[20:58] <vidd> how do you use dpkg to configure an installed program?
[20:59] <siggjen> dpkg-reconfigure
[21:00] <siggjen> so funny to read the local paper on the net after there has fallen some snow
[21:01] <siggjen> people in this city can't handle it
[21:03] <vidd> what city (or state/contry if you dont wish to say the city name)
[21:04] <siggjen> Bergen/Norway
[21:05] <vidd> and they cant handle snow?
[21:05] <vidd> dont it snow like half the year there?
[21:05] <siggjen> nah
[21:05] <siggjen> guess this is the 4th time this year it snows
[21:05]  * vidd is from the USA so he is stupid about "foreign" weather
[21:06] <siggjen> rains all year around usually
[21:06] <siggjen> :%s/time/winter/
[21:07] <vidd> ?
[21:08] <siggjen> change time to winter in last sentece
[21:08] <siggjen> *sentence
[21:09] <vidd> 4th time this winter? spring started 3 days ago!
[21:09] <vidd> =]
[21:10] <siggjen> tell that to the local weather
[21:10] <siggjen> i was having the first beer out this spring yesterday ...
[21:11] <siggjen> had to go inside because it started to snow
[21:11] <vidd> we call snow in the spring-time "onion snow"
[21:11]  * vidd has no clue why......
[21:12] <vidd> =]
[21:12] <siggjen> the problem is the easter holliday
[21:12] <siggjen> lots of drivers not used to driving in winter out on the roads
[21:13] <siggjen> well that problem was there every time the snow fell
[21:13] <siggjen> guess some people should just start to take the bus
[21:13] <vidd> easter is the first sunday after the first full moon after the first day of spring....
[21:14] <siggjen> you think about equinox? or what it is named?
[21:15] <vidd> a concession the catholic church made to indoctrinate the pagans into christian society
[21:15] <vidd> yes...the spring equinox is the official first day of spring
[21:16] <siggjen> and here lots of people go to the mountains during the easter holliday to go skiing
[21:17] <siggjen> guess they shouldnt ski with their cars as well d:
[21:17] <vidd> hehe
[21:19] <vidd> well....we still had issues....
[21:20] <siggjen> oooops?
[21:21] <vidd> so I had my partner disable /var on hdc1 and restore /var on hda3, and the issue vanished
[21:21] <s_arts> off-topic: If some xubuntu-devs are available. You might want to take a look at ristretto 0.0.18. (released this afternoon) It 'just works' a little better then 0.0.17.
[21:21] <s_arts> just a hint ;)
[21:22] <siggjen> is that a xfce4 package?
[21:23] <s_arts> yes
[21:23] <s_arts> its the image viewer.
[21:23] <siggjen> ok, i didn't know
[21:23] <siggjen> have no idea if the devs are watching this channel
[21:23] <s_arts> It's part of hardy beta.
[21:24] <siggjen> probably better to say it to a mailing list
[21:24] <s_arts> I don't care that much myself. I run svn anyways.
[21:24] <siggjen> (:
[21:24] <vidd> their channel is #xubuntu-devel
[21:25] <siggjen> vidd: did you try to copy all from /var to the hdc drive?
[21:26] <siggjen> maybe a good idea to backup the hdc drive first d:
[21:26] <vidd> i passed that on to my partner
[21:27] <siggjen> humm, sounds like a good idea to have such a partner (;
[21:29] <vidd> we in #viddandme
[22:00] <Breakage> hey, anyone know how to get the backspace key to work with gnu screen in xfterm4? :)
[23:22] <Rhodetrem> hi, quick question: what is the default terminal used in Xubuntu?


[10:35] <MagicFab> hi everyone
[10:36] <MagicFab> I suppose it's been noted before but I've been wrong other times
[10:36] <MagicFab> I can't access http://loco.ubuntu.com/, an error comes up:
[10:36] <MagicFab> LoCo Directory has encountered an Error!
[10:36] <MagicFab> Please try your request again.
[10:36] <MagicFab> If you continue to experience problems with LoCo Team Directory, please Report it!
[10:37] <czajkowski> hmm I'll ask in sysadmin channel
[10:38] <czajkowski> nothing anyone can do in here
[10:41] <MagicFab> I've reported it here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-directory/+bug/821398
[10:41] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 821398 in loco-directory "Loco Directory site can't be used, error reported (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[10:42] <czajkowski> MagicFab: we've alreayd metnioned it in the sysadmin channel, they're looking into it
[10:42] <MagicFab> czajkowski, sure, if someone else asks it'd be nice to direct them to the bug - if you experience the same maybe you can confirm it ?
[10:42] <czajkowski> but it's not a bug
[10:42] <czajkowski> it's the servers being restarted
[10:44] <MagicFab> We should have a "(un)scheduled maintenance" accordingly :|
[10:44] <MagicFab> Tx., I guess it'll be back shortly.
[10:59] <MagicFab> Unfortunate timing :|
[11:32]  * nigelb hugs czajkowski :)
[11:33] <nigelb> Just saw the email and was getting to it, looks like you already did!
[11:33] <czajkowski> what email ?
[11:44] <nigelb> czajkowski: the bug
[11:45] <czajkowski> oh right, it's not a bug
[11:46] <czajkowski> status has been updated in canocanil-sysadmin
[12:19] <mhall119> MagicFab: our server has been having hardware problems lately, we're waiting on a replacement
[12:19] <czajkowski> mhall119: I did mark the bug invalid
[12:20] <mhall119> thanks czajkowski
[12:20] <czajkowski> np
[12:20] <mhall119> now to delete all the error emails out of my inbox...
[12:20] <MagicFab> Invalid ? Ah well.
[12:21] <mhall119> MagicFab: there's nothing wrong with the code
[12:21] <paultag> zomg loco.ubuntu.com is failed :)
[12:22] <paultag> let's all email mhall119
[12:22] <czajkowski> paultag: do keep up
[12:22] <czajkowski> ;)
[12:22] <paultag> your server's down
[12:22] <mhall119> paultag: we get emails for every 500 error
[12:22] <czajkowski> it's bee said, and we've poked sysadmins
[12:22] <czajkowski> it's now in their topic
[12:22] <czajkowski> nout more people can do till they fix it
[12:22] <paultag> there's a dilbert like this
[12:23] <MagicFab> server down -> change DNS, put appropriate message. No code for that AFAIK. I call that a bug. This looks real bad on events.
[12:23] <paultag> but I can't remember where or when because it was so old
[12:23] <paultag> mhall119: it takes an hour to cascade
[12:23] <mhall119> there's a dilbert like everything, just like XKCD
[12:23] <paultag> sorry MagicFab
[12:23] <MagicFab> anyways, I have to run.
[12:23] <paultag> MagicFab: it's not really doable, because a 2 minute hickup becomes a 2 hour error
[12:23] <paultag> MagicFab: if anything it should be a function of that server
[12:23] <paultag> to serve up a nicer page
[12:23] <mhall119> DNS is slow to propogate
[12:24] <paultag> an hour for the best case
[12:24] <paultag> using DNS for this is overkill :(
[12:24] <czajkowski> indeed
[12:27] <nigelb> mhall119: Not sure I like my email flooded by django now :P
[12:40] <mhall119> nigelb: too bad
[12:46] <nigelb> mhall119: j/k :)
[17:48] <bkerensa> Anyone know of any LoCo's that use MailChimp or something else to send a newletter through their mailing list?
[17:49] <h00k> bkerensa: we use mailman: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-wi
[17:49] <h00k> bkerensa: does this help?
[17:50] <bkerensa> yeah
[18:00] <mhall119> bkerensa: you can also use launchpad to send emails to anyone in your LP team
[18:00] <mhall119> but mailman is the prefered resource
[18:01] <czajkowski> bkerensa: mailman
[18:01] <bkerensa> I was thinking of using mailchimp to push a html newsletter to mailman
[18:01] <bkerensa> :)
[18:02] <czajkowski> hmm I set all newsletters to non html
[18:02] <czajkowski> I prefer text base
[18:02] <bkerensa> :P
[18:03] <pleia2> bkerensa: see? I told you :)
[18:04] <paultag> yeah text for me as well :)
[18:04] <paultag> but it sounds like a good idea
[18:05] <czajkowski> pleia2: a case of ask 12 people the same question and still a non believer
[18:05] <czajkowski> bkerensa: I think you'll find most geeks don't like HTML
[18:06] <czajkowski> we dont read it in our email clients
[18:06] <mhall119> bkerensa: if you want, you can use the wiki for a formatted newsletter, and just email everyone a link to that
[18:06] <bkerensa> well someone important at Canonical once said... We must be new user friendly and modern
[18:06] <czajkowski> and I tend to mark news letters that come with html as gibberish and delete
[18:06] <bkerensa> :P
[18:06] <paultag> because stuff like http://other.shit.domain.tld
[18:06] <bkerensa> mhall119: excellent idea
[18:06] <paultag> so I prefer to read it in plain-text, and I don't like reading XML for fun :)
[18:06] <czajkowski> bkerensa: that doesnt mean annoy geeks who like things a certain way either
[18:07] <bkerensa> czajkowsi: I had that exact debate many times at CLS and OSCON... I dont wanna lose gnome2
[18:07] <bkerensa> :(
[18:08] <czajkowski> gnome2 is going
[18:08] <czajkowski> for everyone
[18:08] <czajkowski> fact
[18:08] <paultag> fork it :)
[18:28] <cprofitt> I only take in plain text as well czajkowski
[18:29] <paultag> coffee, black
[18:30] <paultag> I hate HTML email :)
[18:30] <paultag> I also hate milk and sugar in my coffee
[18:31] <nigelb> Yeah, HTML email has other things I don't like. Like tracking. I'm happy mailman doesn't do any of those.
[18:31] <paultag> and spam links
[18:32] <paultag> http://rolex.com/fancy-watches
[18:32] <nigelb> yeh
[18:32] <paultag> fools 99% of people, according to a study I just made up
[18:32] <nigelb> companies think people are idiots
[18:33] <nigelb> they insert white png of 1 x 1 size for tracking
[18:33]  * nigelb dislikes that thoroughly
[18:33] <paultag> nigelb: dude, jam with us on turntable.fm
[18:33] <paultag> nigelb: yeah that's lulzy
[18:33] <nigelb> paultag: Does NOT work in India :\
[18:33] <paultag> nigelb: aww, boo
[18:34] <nigelb> HA, doesn't work outside US
[18:34] <nigelb> "We're very sorry, but while we would love to let you in and rock out with us, we need to currently restrict turntable access to only the United States due to licensing constraints. "
[18:34] <paultag> jeez
[18:34] <nigelb> paultag: I'll get on in about a month when I move my server from germany to LA \o/
[18:34] <paultag> nigelb: Deutschland, Deutschland, über alle :)
[18:41] <cprofitt> hey nigelb
[18:41] <cprofitt> what is this turntable.fm thing?
[18:42] <cprofitt> everyone still listening to the same music or some such
[18:42] <paultag> cprofitt: yeah
[18:42] <nigelb> hey cprofitt!
[18:42] <cprofitt> based on Facebook?
[18:42] <paultag> I think they use it for auth
[18:42] <paultag> but no
[19:09] <bkerensa> paultag: Can I PM?
[19:09] <bkerensa> cprofitt: turntable.fm is for the win :)
[19:21] <cprofitt> gotta run folks...
[19:21] <cprofitt> talk to you later.
[19:41] <paultag> bkerensa: yeah, sure, but I'm just leaving the office
[19:41] <paultag> bkerensa: you can PM me and I'll return the messages, or email me and I can answer on my phone, perhaps
[19:42] <paultag> BBL :)
[22:45]  * bkerensa pings paultag
[22:45] <paultag> bkerensa: pong


[01:27] <Hobbsee> Mez: with katapult, is there a way to get the system tray icon again, once it's hidden, without going into the configuration file, and changing trayicon to equal true?
[10:25] <Mez> Hobbsee alt+space ctrl C - configure katapult
[10:25] <Mez> It's in there
[10:32] <Riddell-awa> it's not obvious though, we need something the user can click on


[09:32] <lucylu> Hi guys... I built a Ubuntu server
[09:33] <lucylu> And my first site works
[09:33] <lucylu> But the second site I added after has err_connection_timed out
[09:33] <lucylu> I am trying to debug this but dont know where to start