[00:34] <swazzo> ciao
[01:14] <Whammo> hi I just installed xubuntu lucid and I appear to have no internet connection, despite connected by ethernet to dhcp router. the PC I am typing on right now works fine. what does this mean?
[02:58] <LSUE> hello - i got my cd 10.04 and i'm a bit concerned - i only want to run from the cd (not install) - what do i do, how do i know i am not installing it?
[03:00] <HaichiRoku> it asks you when it boots from the disc
[03:00] <HaichiRoku> "Try xubuntu without installing"
[03:00] <HaichiRoku> it is the first option
[03:00] <LSUE> oh..  ok
[03:00] <LSUE> so - put it in, then shut down?  (that's what it says right on the cd)
[03:00] <HaichiRoku> yeah
[03:01] <LSUE> thanks HaichiRoku
[03:01] <HaichiRoku> You will have to tell the computer to boot from the disc drive
[03:01] <LSUE> i have windows 7 - i will probably try it there
[03:01] <LSUE> oh
[03:01] <LSUE> in the bios you mean?
[03:01] <HaichiRoku> yeah
[03:01] <LSUE> ok
[03:01] <LSUE> i know how to do that in windows
[03:01] <HaichiRoku> or you might be able to press F12 or something
[03:01] <LSUE> i also have a mac with bootcamp - do you think it will work there?
[03:01] <HaichiRoku> to choose where to boot from
[03:01] <HaichiRoku> i don't know anything about macs sorry
[03:02] <LSUE> ok..not a problem
[03:02] <LSUE> but thank you for answering
[03:02] <HaichiRoku> np
[05:56] <raevol> anyone know how to get spellcheck working in open office writer on 10.4 :(
[05:58] <raevol> ah found a tutorial
[05:58] <raevol> nvm
[08:55] <justgreg> hello
[08:55] <justgreg> i am having a problem
[08:56] <justgreg> i cannot watch any streaming videos
[08:56] <justgreg> i have already read and installed the stuff from the ubuntu wiki
[08:56] <justgreg> however the problem persists
[08:57] <TheSheep> justgreg: "the stuff"?
[08:57] <justgreg> streaming video used to work before i upgraded to lucid lynx
[08:57] <justgreg> i forgot the names specifically, if nessecary i can get them
[08:59] <justgreg> restricted extras package
[08:59] <TheSheep> ah, so you have the flashplugin-nonfree and w32codecs packages installed?
[08:59] <TheSheep> can you make sure in synaptic?
[09:04] <justgreg> hold on i will check
[09:06] <justgreg> they had been disabled when i upgraded
[09:06] <justgreg> i re-installed
[09:07] <justgreg> thank you my problem is solved now
[09:10] <TheSheep> that's great
[11:02] <xubuntu048> hi people
[11:28] <slow-motion> hi
[13:34] <slow-motion> bye
[14:24] <JohnCub> would anyone have any resources (web page, man page, etc) on how to remove grub from my netbook and make it so it never ever ever comes back?
[17:05] <likemindead> Yay! --> http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes36
[17:57] <Czuniga> please i need install limewire but i dont work i need install sun-java6-jre|icedtea-java7-jre|sun-java6-jdk|icedtea-java7-jdk
[18:01] <TheSheep> Czuniga: they are in the 'partner' repository
[18:01] <TheSheep> Czuniga: just enable them in software sources
[18:02] <likemindead> That old P2P junk is still around? :-\
[18:02] <likemindead> Torrents FTW!
[18:03] <Czuniga> I'm not a rookie how to do that
[18:04] <Czuniga> I'm not a rookie how to do that
[18:05] <Czuniga> limewire work in mint but not in xubuntu...
[19:05] <keith> hi, I'm trying to increase video to 1024x768 on an old dell inspiron 4000. Any clues appreciated.
[19:59] <alesio> help! i can't access to my hotmail account on firefox. i'm using xubuntu 10.04
[20:17] <alesio> pidgin reports a reading error when i try to connect to my msn account. could anyone help me, please?
[21:00] <siddhion> hello. anyone here?
[21:01] <siddhion> meaning, is anyone available?
[21:02] <siddhion> i am having a problem getting Xubuntu 10.04 to boot up right after installing it. I am getting a badly rendered logo and a black blank screen
[21:19] <Kangarooo> charlie-tca: xfce4-wavelan-plugin & xfce4-sensors-plugin to make gdb i need to install xfce4-panel-dbg ?
[21:19] <Kangarooo> couse i cant find for thouse applets gdb package
[21:23] <xubuntu917> sameone speak spanish
[21:23] <Sysi> !es
[21:24] <xubuntu917> gracias
[21:37] <S0210> I have upgraded to Xubuntu 10.04. See that pluse mixer appears in my sound control panel. Can I remove Alsa mixer? What is that OSS mixer? {:-.
[21:43] <arthurjohnson> S0210: I'm not sure that I would.  I still use it every once in a while.
[21:58] <erxyz> Anybody know why libmysqlclient15off dont exist on Xubuntu?
[21:58] <erxyz> I try to install rails from this guide: http://www.hackido.com/2009/11/install-ruby-on-rails-on-ubuntu-karmic.html
[21:59] <knome> erxyz, are you on xubuntu karmic?
[21:59] <erxyz> not sure actually
[21:59] <erxyz> how do i know?
[21:59] <knome> lsb_release -a
[22:00] <erxyz> Codename: lucid
[22:01] <knome> erxyz, might be that it is dropped in lucid altogether
[22:01] <knome> because everything that is in ubuntu is available in xubuntu as well
[22:02] <erxyz> so you mean i dont need to include that package since its probably already installed?
[22:02] <knome> no
[22:03] <knome> i mean that even if you need to install that package, it might not be available in lucid
[22:03] <erxyz> ah
[22:03] <knome> because things change and the tutorial/walkthrough is for karmic
[22:03] <knome> which is a different version than you are running
[22:30] <lighta> Hey guys, I'm looking for a command to run my script.sh automatically on xubuntu start how can I do that ? I remanber somethin like chk...
[22:31] <Sysi> lighta: settings → sessions and startup
[22:32] <lighta> ah..
[22:33] <lighta> don't u have a command line because graphique.. (french..)
[22:35] <Sysi> you'll find it
[22:35] <Sysi> i translated it from finnish :)
[22:37] <lighta> Menu > Setting > (no session and start-up) :(
[22:38] <Sysi> it's something, try what looks like it
[22:38] <lighta> oh no it's ok
[22:38] <lighta> I found it !
[22:38] <lighta> thx Sysi
[22:39] <lighta> still u sure their no command line for this ?
[22:39] <Sysi> can be
[22:42] <lighta> xfce4-session
[22:42] <lighta> I think
[23:03] <bardo_> hello to all, anyone knows an update for intel 855gm driver
[23:03] <bardo_> my xubuntu 10.04 does not work very well with 855gm intel driver
[23:04] <Sysi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes
[23:07] <erxyz> I dont understand why I cant install Xubuntu, I insert the CD, choose language, then choose "Install Xubuntu", then a bad pixelated Xubuntu logo appears, cd start working, then after a while the logo disapear and nothing happens
[23:07] <erxyz> Burned the ISO twice now, nothing wrong with the CD
[23:07] <bardo_> that is a workaround, i can use lucid, but it is unstable. not a good thing for a LTS
[23:07] <bardo_> that is because of the graphic card
[23:08] <erxyz> Ubuntu works on it
[23:08] <bardo_> you shoul go to other boot options an type i915.modeset=1. after install you will not be able to boot
[23:09] <bardo_> you have to use the live cd and change grup initial boot options
[23:09] <Sysi> erxyz: you can make xubuntu from ubuntu
[23:09] <Sysi> !purexfce | erxyz
[23:09] <bardo_> ubuntu does not work also
[23:09] <bardo_> depends on the graphic card
[23:10] <erxyz> well I just want to install a clean system of Xubuntu
[23:10] <erxyz> I tried it in VMware, seems really really nice
[23:10] <Sysi> you could try alternate disc
[23:10] <bardo_> to install a clean system you shoul go for xubuntu 9.04
[23:10] <erxyz> if i start my computer with ubuntu, and insert those commands in that link, will make it a Xubuntu version?
[23:12] <Sysi> yes
[23:13] <Sysi> i might like to do that on virtual terminal
[23:13] <Sysi> ctrl alt f1 - f6
[23:13] <Sysi> f7 is graphics
[23:14] <erxyz> but why is it not working to just install Xubuntu "normal" for me?
[23:14] <erxyz> My graphic card is bad or what?
[23:14] <Sysi> can't tell
[23:15] <erxyz> after the logo apears after choosing "Install Xubuntu", CD just stops spinning and screen goes black
[23:15] <bardo_> not bat but not very compatible with xserver-xorg-intel-driver
[23:17] <erxyz> and the Alternate CD?
[23:20] <erxyz> Will it make any difference if i try install with it?
[23:22] <bardo_> the Alternate CD, i have not try with it


[18:16] <daker-cloud> cjohnston: a lot of MPs to review :)
[20:29] <cjohnston> daker-cloud: ping mhall119
[20:38] <cjohnston> daker-cloud: ~chrisjohnston/loco-team-portal/theme-update/   retheming to the new brand
[20:39] <cjohnston> its to the point i think where it could use reviews
[20:39] <daker-cloud> ok
[20:59] <daker-cloud> cjohnston: wow everything is borken :)
[23:38] <cjohnston> daker-cloud: what is borked? it looks good to me?
[23:40] <cjohnston> there are a few issues, but i dont see many
[23:42] <daker-cloud> :)
[23:43] <cjohnston> ?
[23:45] <daker-cloud> i see many issues, the theme is made for content sites
[23:47] <cjohnston> let me spend a little more time working on fixing the things i see, then I'll get you to give a review with things that need fixing
[23:47] <daker-cloud> sure :)


[01:53] <richard-ams> hello room, whats the note here?
[01:54] <guiverc> richard-ams, this is a Lubuntu supprot room, if you have a Lubuntu support question please ask it. People respond as they're able, so be patient.
[01:55] <richard-ams> thanks gyiverc. Ive got it.
 I'm only recently using multiple desktops
 I used to turn it off be default
 I'm sincerely impressed by it's speed
 It's very well built
 thank you
[18:00] <carrot0101> is it safe to update from 21 to 22 with the command line method stated in the manual?
[18:00] <carrot0101> because the manual talks about going from 20 to 21 so i'm curious if it still applies
 You can use it without worries
 I've used this command a lot
 never had issues with it
[18:38] <carrot0101> you're right, I had no issues, thank you!


[00:24] <xivulon> cjwatson, on #188492 my tests went well and gb layoutcode worked out of the box!
[00:29] <TheMuso> xivulon: Anything in particular you want me to target for this round of wubi testing for the ISOs, noting that atm I can only test i386.
[00:34] <xivulon> thanks the Muso, as mentioned on #ubuntu-testing:
[00:34] <xivulon> 1) installation with physical CD (you can use an emulate CD) with and without internet connection
[00:35] <xivulon> 2) installation with a local ISO in the same folder as wubi.exe and without CD (should not download the ISO, but you must use an ISO with lates daily md5)
[00:35] <xivulon> 3) no ISO and no CD
[00:35] <xivulon> 1, 2, 3 only on the windows side no need to reboot
[00:35] <xivulon> check that the uninstaller works
[00:36] <xivulon> then reboot and go through the linux side installation
[00:36] <xivulon> check shutdown and suspend and try to install a different kernel
[00:36] <TheMuso> Ok.
[00:37] <xivulon> that would be great! thanks a bunch in advance
[00:39] <TheMuso> np
[00:46] <bdmurray> xivulon: what rev of Wubi is supposed to be on the images now?
[00:47] <xivulon> 495 (hopefully)
[00:58] <bdmurray> So I've a 20080422.3 KDE4 disc and I ran Wubi and it said 487 and didn't end well but using 'strings umenu.exe' the first thing I find is 495.  Do you have md5sums for umenu.exe or some other way to verify the version?
[01:10] <bdmurray> xivulon: the log is rev 487 too
[01:14] <xivulon> arg
[01:14] <xivulon> evand does the build: http://people.ubuntu.com/~evand/wubi/
[01:15] <xivulon> I guess we can compare with the md5 off the above url
[01:16] <bdmurray> htm
[01:17] <bdmurray> the md5sum of 495 != the md5sum of wubi off the cd I have
[01:17] <evand> uh odd, I did a make clean before the build too.
[01:18] <xivulon> yes it 487!!!
[01:18] <bdmurray> yeah, that's the match I get
[01:19]  * xivulon off to ubuntu-release
[01:19] <evand> how on earth did that happen?
[01:20] <evand> r495 was linked to stable as of 16:27 British time
[02:37] <xivulon> bdmurray thanks a lot for the heads up!
[02:37] <bdmurray> xivulon: no problem, I'm glad it got sorted and early at that
[02:38] <TheMuso> Yeah its on the latest set of live images now.
[02:39] <xivulon> haven't downloaded them, going to bed now
[02:39] <xivulon> rev495 md5 is a96aa69961f3ed80dd7a88fae1e28196
[09:39] <doug2266778822>  im running ubuntu gutsy gnome and i can not get my head phoen jack to work. can anyone help me?
[09:52] <doug2266778822>  im running ubuntu gutsy gnome and i can not get my head phone jack to work. can anyone help me?
[09:54] <doug2266778822>  im running ubuntu gutsy gnome and i can not get my head phone jack to work. can anyone help me?
[09:55] <grrrreg> not me
[09:55] <grrrreg> not me
[09:55] <grrrreg> not me
[10:21] <soren> doug2266778822: Repeating the same question over and over again will win you no friends.
[10:21] <soren> doug2266778822: Especially when the question doesn't belong in the channel in question.
[10:30] <xivulon> cjwatson, evand, for the first kernel upgrade or anything that would involve update-initramfs or update-grub after final, would it possible to have a procedure in place so that the changes are tested on loopinstallation before release?
[10:30] <xivulon> (if that is not already in place)
[10:40] <cjwatson> you'd need to talk to heno, I guess. What would we do if that failed?
[10:41] <xivulon> well the user should be able to boot with an old kernel right?
[10:42] <xivulon> so far it seems to have worked, but I'd welcome a few extra tests, at least for the first new kernel
[11:10] <TheMuso> xivulon: Well as part of my wubi testing today, I was able to install another kernel alongside the generic kernel, in this instance I used the rt kernel.
[11:11] <TheMuso> And I had no issues, both kernels were bootable, no errors on package install.
[11:11] <xivulon> thanks TheMuso, that is in line with my own testing
[11:55] <xivulon> arg bdmurray reopened #204128
[13:00] <james_w> Hi all.
[13:00] <cjwatson> yo
[13:00] <james_w> Under what circumstances would lilo be chosen over grub?
[13:01] <james_w> I just did an alternate install with manual partitioning, and set up LVM, and ended up with lilo.
[13:01] <cjwatson> if /boot is on LVM; if /boot is on DM-RAID; if /boot is on XFS; if you preseeded grub-installer/skip=true
[13:02] <cjwatson> yep, that's expected
[13:02] <cjwatson> did lilo work properly?
[13:02] <james_w> yeah
[13:02] <james_w>  /boot is not on LVM though
[13:02] <james_w> I *think*, let me check
[13:04] <TheMuso> cjwatson: It would not matter if /boot was on dmraid as to whether lilo or grub is used, as at that point, the BIOS is still managing the disks.
[13:04] <TheMuso> As its a BIOS fakeraid.
[13:04] <TheMuso> i.e the BIOS is used to set it up.
[13:04] <TheMuso> ...or you meant device mapper raid... My ad.
[13:04] <TheMuso> bad
[13:04] <cjwatson> well, no, I meant fakeraid
[13:04] <TheMuso> speech not speaking hyphens in some circumstances.
[13:05] <cjwatson> I'm just explaining the code, though, I didn't write it :-)
[13:05]  * TheMuso nods.
[13:05] <cjwatson>   * Add support for installing GRUB to a Serial ATA RAID disk. Currently this
[13:05] <cjwatson>     is only possible by using a semi-manual procedure that executes commands
[13:05] <cjwatson>     in the grub command environment (grub-install cannot be used).
[13:05] <cjwatson>     The current implementation assumes that teh SATA RAID disk will be listed
[13:05] <cjwatson>     as the first boot device in the BIOS.
[13:05] <cjwatson> according to the changelog
[13:05] <cjwatson> oh, I'm sorry, I misunderstood the code
[13:05] <TheMuso> Right. This is the stuff we'll need to look into for intrepid in any case.
[13:05] <cjwatson> scratch the /boot on DM-RAID condition, I missed a negation
[13:09] <james_w> ok, ext3 /boot, swap, xfs on lvm for /
[13:17] <james_w> that doesn't seem to fit the criteria, but it is similar in places (lvm, xfs), so could it be a bug?
[13:30] <cjwatson> possibly, if /boot isn't on XFS
[13:30] <cjwatson> er, on LVM
[13:31] <james_w> no, it's a separate partition.
[13:31] <james_w> Would you like a bug report?
[13:38] <CIA-1> apt-setup: cjwatson * r129 apt-setup/ (debian/changelog generators/50mirror.ubuntu):
[13:38] <CIA-1> apt-setup: * Remove restricted from cdrom entry if apt-setup/restricted is false
[13:38] <CIA-1> apt-setup:  (LP: #220805).
[13:38] <cjwatson> james_w: yes please, on grub-installer with /var/log/syslog and /var/log/partman attached
[13:39] <james_w> I don't have the latter, do I need to do something to make sure they are saved?
[13:40] <cjwatson> if you've completed installation, both of those will be in /var/log/installer/
[13:41] <james_w> yup, thanks.
[13:42] <james_w> "/boot is an lvm volume, cannot install grub"
[13:43] <james_w> I think this may be even more unlikely to be a problem, as this was an installation after I had to reboot the host, and I picked up an existing LVM setup, which I then started again.
[15:46] <isgleas> hi everybody
[15:47] <isgleas> how can I customize profiles on the live cd? I'm trying with sabayon profiling, but it does not work
[15:48] <isgleas> it doesn't seem to work with live session user
[16:23] <bdmurray> xivulon: I added some more info to the bug
[16:39]  * xivulon reading
[16:41] <xivulon> ah I think I know
[16:41] <xivulon> that's probably because the wubi executable is on the CD which you are ejecting
[16:42] <xivulon> the strange part is that the executable should be fully unpacked into the temp folder so there shouldn't be any need to access wubi.exe anymore
[16:44] <xivulon> but I am quite sure this is it, and that is why it is not an issue when you test wubi in stand-alone mode
[16:44] <xivulon> when you tested 488 successfully that wasn't on the CD was it?
[16:45] <xivulon> hmm I have always tested with virtual CD roms
[16:45] <xivulon> can we please have more testing with real CDs?
[16:46] <xivulon> can someone post on #ubuntu-testing?
[16:46] <xivulon> bdmurray: ^
[16:48] <xivulon> a quick workaround would be to have umenu copy wubi on the tmp folder and then run it from there
[16:48] <bdmurray> xivulon: to be clear you want more testing of Wubi off of real CDs correct?
[16:48] <xivulon> absolutely
[16:50] <xivulon> basically I would like to understand if it is a one off or if it affects every real CD installation
[16:51] <xivulon> cjwatson ping
[16:51] <xivulon> bug #204128
[16:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204128 in wubi "After install completed bar wasn't all green and installer hung" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204128
[17:03] <xivulon> hi evand ^^^
[17:03] <evand|treo> howdy.
[17:03] <evand|treo> what's the issue?  im on my mobile and hitting lp would exit me from the irc client.
[17:04] <xivulon> it might be that wubi jams on eject when real CDs are used
[17:05] <evand|treo> ugh, how on earth could we miss something like that?
[17:05] <evand|treo> davmor2 did test with real cds on real hw
[17:07] <xivulon> because if you run wubi off the CD (e.g. wubi.exe is on C:) then it would work fine
[17:07] <evand|treo> I imagine its far too late for a fix.  does this affect all wubi users?
[17:07] <bdmurray> I'm talking to him now and his Vista isn't fully up to date
[17:07] <xivulon> evand we do not know yet
[17:07] <xivulon> but it might affect all wubi users off CD
[17:07] <evand|treo> ok
[17:07] <xivulon> so it is RC IMO
[17:08] <xivulon> unfortunately yesterday I asked all testers to use the binary off your site because the one on the CD was an old version!
[17:08] <xivulon> arggg
[18:25] <evand> so my understanding is that we're going to release note this.  Is that correct?
[18:38] <cjwatson> it sounds to me like a valid workaround is to tell people with Vista SP3 (or whatever it is) to download wubi from the network and use that?
[18:38] <bdmurray> evand: that's the impression I have
[18:39] <evand> cjwatson: sounds right, they just cannot have an Ubuntu CD in the drive
[18:39] <evand> at least that's my understanding
[18:39] <evand> wubi is supposed to end up on ubuntu.com for the release, so that should make things a little easier
[18:39] <bdmurray> I've found 2 possible workarounds
[18:40] <evand> oh?
[18:40] <bdmurray> evand: Well as you mentioned running Wubi off the Vista system works.
[18:42] <cjwatson> evand: my understanding was that it would work provided that you didn't run wubi off the CD
[18:42] <cjwatson> since xivulon has been saying that copying it to a temporary directory on the hard disk first is a workaround
[18:42] <bdmurray> Another, messier way, is to reinsert the CD, click the close button in Wubi.  Then choose "Close the program" when you are presented with the Windows dailog that "Wubi is not responding".
[18:42] <evand> cjwatson: yeah; just re-read the conversation in -release, I take back what I said.
[18:46] <evand> "With only the minimum amount of memory available, the installation process will take longer than normal, but will complete successfully, and the system will perform adequately once installed. Low-memory systems may be able to use the desktop CD to install by adding the only-ubiquity boot option to run just the installer rather than the whole desktop. "
[18:47] <evand> Shouldn't that instead reference the "Install Ubuntu" option, rather than requesting the user muck around with the kernel command line?
[18:47] <evand> from w.u.c/HardyReleaseNotes
[18:48] <cjwatson> yes, I'll edit, thanks
[18:52] <bdmurray> I documented my workaround in bug 204128
[18:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 204128 in wubi "After install completed bar wasn't all green and installer hung" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/204128
[19:52] <cjwatson> hmm
[19:52] <cjwatson> (oops, echan)
[20:36] <bdmurray> evand: I'm experiencing bug 218973 again
[20:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 218973 in ubiquity "20080417.1 Guided resize failed" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/218973
[20:37] <evand> is it reproduceable?  If so, can you attach partman and syslog
[20:39] <bdmurray> It fails and in partman I see to run 'e2fsck -f /dev/sda8'.  I ran an fsck after exiting ubiquity, started again and now I'm told to run fsck again.  Should I run the fsck while ubiquity is still open?
[20:40] <cjwatson> that shouldn't be necessary (or indeed helpful)
[20:45] <bdmurray> I've uploaded the syslog
[21:24] <bdmurray> evand: I've added /var/log/installer/debug to the bug too
[21:27] <evand> bdmurray: ok
[22:23] <CIA-1> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2674 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py): * Fix ownership of /home/oem/Desktop in OEM installations (LP: #209683).


[01:06] <hallyn> pitti: bug 1533839 trivial debdiff seems to work;  assume you're out for the weekend but if you get a moment to review that would be great
[01:56] <sarnold> hallyn: nice find
[01:59] <hallyn> sarnold: really pitti found it :)
[02:00] <sarnold> hallyn: aha :)
[02:00] <sarnold> pitti: nice find :)
[03:56] <nacc> Pharaoh_Atem: nothing else sticking out to me yet, but I'll think about it over the weekend
[03:57] <Pharaoh_Atem> nacc: okay cool
[08:10] <Mechtilde> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calendar-exchange-provider/+bug/1203433
[08:13] <Mechtilde> what can I also do, to  push on?
[10:53] <LocutusOfBorg> good morning people, can anybody please sync when possible tcl and tk 8.6 in main?
[10:53] <LocutusOfBorg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tcl8.6/+bug/1417563/comments/10 has the rationale
[10:54] <Mechtilde> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/calendar-exchange-provider/+bug/1203433
[10:54] <Mechtilde> what can I also do, to  push on?
[11:01] <cjwatson> Mechtilde: it's not about whether it's active upstream or not - there's an archive-wide policy to not include Mozilla extensions because of the lack of time to ensure that extensions still work properly when doing aggressive updates to new versions of Mozilla
[11:02] <cjwatson> one of my own packages suffers from this too *shrug*
[11:05] <Mechtilde> also it is maintained in Debian?
[11:06] <Mechtilde> can you give me a link to this policy?
[11:06] <cjwatson> Debian> same answer
[11:07] <Mechtilde> can you give me a link to this policy?
[11:07] <Mechtilde> s/this/that
[11:07] <cjwatson> just digging it out
[11:09] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Lucid/FirefoxNewSupportModel
[11:09] <cjwatson> (yeah, I know calendar != firefox, I think that's more a badly-named page)
[11:10] <cjwatson> you can of course talk to the mozilla packaging people if there's a specific problem with this, e.g. Chris Coulson
[11:12] <Mechtilde> but in PPA it is allowed?
[11:12] <cjwatson> sure
[11:27] <LocutusOfBorg> cjwatson, I sync'd cmtk :)
[11:27] <LocutusOfBorg> mapreri, cherry-picked in debian all the stuff
[11:30] <mapreri> LocutusOfBorg: now if you want you can take care of the dcmtk transition in ubuntu (in debian just migrated :P)
[11:30] <LocutusOfBorg> mapreri, guarda che cjwatson ha già fatto cmtk aveva già una ubuntu2 no change rebuild
[11:30] <mapreri> erm
[11:30] <LocutusOfBorg> oops, sorry!
[11:31] <LocutusOfBorg> ELANGUAGE
[11:31] <LocutusOfBorg> I mean, cmtk had already an ubuntu2 no change rebuild from cjwatson, so I presume he already took care of the transition
[11:31]  * LocutusOfBorg is sorry for the confusion
[11:33] <mapreri> LocutusOfBorg: yeah, I read the changelog :P  btw, no the transition is stalled in ubuntu atm, dcmtk is stuck in proposed due to old binaries
[11:33] <mapreri> also, ubuntu doesn't seem to have something like the auto-transitioner, so there is no transition tracker,  uh
[11:55] <LocutusOfBorg> cjwatson, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/232931972/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-arm64.grub2_2.02~beta2-33_BUILDING.txt.gz
[11:55] <LocutusOfBorg> isn't this a problem because of virtualizated builders?
[11:56] <LocutusOfBorg> also dcmtk, is missing build on arm64, (I retried the build)
[12:00] <darkxst> mapreri, there are, but they need to be manually setup (or copied from debian)
[12:02] <darkxst> mapreri, i.e if you want one, just ask (not me though, I don't have access)
[12:05] <darkxst> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-transition-trackers/ubuntu-transition-tracker/ben
[12:07] <darkxst> maybe that branch is old though
[12:32] <mapreri> darkxst: yeah, I know that branch, but I was talking about a thing that generetes ben packages automatically, as it's done in debian.  anyway, I'm already busy enough without taking care of ubuntu's transitions atm...
[12:51] <LocutusOfBorg> dcmtk is built on arm64
[16:18] <NikTh> Hello, where can I find the linux_4.3.0.orig.tar.gz file ? I can find linux_4.2.0.orig.tar.gz but not 4.3.0 . Thanks.
[16:32] <rbasak> NikTh: looking at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/4.3.0-5.16, I'm not sure why there isn't an orig there, but that is the source I believe. I don't know if linux is somehow special in a way that I'm not aware, or if it's just a native package (which would be odd).
[16:43] <NikTh> rbasak: I'm not sure either. If I download linux_4.3.0-5.16.tar.gz and rename it, will it work ? I want to avoid uploading the whole source every time I build a new package (in Launchpad). It worked before, but I need the orig.tar.gz file.
[18:12] <infinity> NikTh: Tim tends to operate without an orig until just before a stable release, but if you want one for a PPA, just use Linus's.
[18:13] <infinity> https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v4.x/linux-4.3.tar.gz
[18:15] <NikTh> infinity: I think this will be rejected from Launchpad. Because it's not exist (in Launchpad). Also "debuild" wants a specific form (orig.tar.gz ...etc) in order to work. Am I correct ? Will rename it work ?
[18:16] <infinity> NikTh: LP doesn't enforce consistency between PPAs and the archive.
[18:16] <infinity> NikTh: And yes, the name needs to be correct.  linux_4.3.0.orig.tar.gz
[18:17] <NikTh> infinity: OK, thanks for the info. I will try. :-)
[18:17] <infinity> NikTh: Basically, unpack Tim's native source, plunk new orig in parent dir, run debuild -S, voila, you should have an orig/diff/dsc setup now.
[18:18] <infinity> There will be a lot of noise if you debdiff old and new (files in the orig that can't be deleted by that source format), but that's expected.  It'll still build fine.
[18:18] <NikTh> infinity: Yes I have done this before but it only worked with orig.tar.gz in parent dir and orig.tar.gz downloaded from Launchpad.
[18:19] <infinity> NikTh: The orig.tar.gz used by the kernel team (when they use one) *is* Linus's tar.gz renamed, it should work fine. ;)
[18:20] <NikTh> infinity: I didn't know this info. Thanks again. :-)
[18:20] <infinity> NikTh: Oh, and on your first upload to the PPA with the new orig, you'll need "debuild -S -sa" to include the orig in .changes
[18:20] <infinity> NikTh: Since you need to upload the orig once. :P
[18:21] <NikTh> infinity: Yes, actually the command I'm running is " debuild -S -sa -I.git -I.gitignore...blah..blah :)
[18:22] <NikTh> Then, and after I upload the orig.tar.gz, the same command but with -sd at the end.
[18:38] <NikTh> infinity: Yes ! It seems it's working correctly. Just a simple rename :-) From dput: "Uploading linux_4.4.0.orig.tar.gz"
[18:38] <NikTh> infinity: Thank you :)
[18:40] <Unit193> Why's everyone so eager for 4.3?
[18:41] <NikTh> infinity: After I upload this orig.tar.gz I will try without it and see if I reach my goal. I cannot think why could fail, but until uploading only the diff.gz .changes...etc , I cannot be 100% sure.
[18:43] <NikTh> Unit193: I'm not. Actually skipped this version completely. I'm testing 4.4 right now and using 4.1.15 LTS for production :)
[18:48] <ari-tczew> does someone have any docs about fixing FTBFS like "undefined reference to" ?
[19:11] <juliank> ari-tczew: Wha
[19:11] <juliank> What's there to document? Some library must be missing
[19:11] <juliank> Figure out which and add it to LDFLAGS
[19:12] <juliank> (Assuming C/C++ and friends)
[19:13] <ari-tczew> juliank: see buildlog: http://paste.ubuntu.com/14531712/
[19:14] <ari-tczew> I just added -lacl to the +libgnu_a_LIBADD = $(gl_LIBOBJS) -lacl
[19:14] <ari-tczew> but seems to be not working
[19:14] <juliank> I think that only works for static libraries
[19:15] <juliank> That is, you need to add an LDADD target to the rrep target or something
[19:15] <juliank> No wait, it's there
[19:15] <ari-tczew> juliank: could you take a look on https://sources.debian.net/src/rrep/1.3.6-1/ ?
[19:15] <juliank> I did not know a static library was involved in it.
[19:16] <ari-tczew> juliank: your feedback/help would be really appreciated
[19:17] <juliank> With autotools and static libraries involved, that's harder than I thought
[19:18] <juliank> But if you're using libtool, I think "libgnu_a_LIBADD" should be "libgnu_la_LIBADD"
[19:19] <juliank> with the extra l between _ and a
[19:20] <ari-tczew> juliank: I don't know, I just based on the source
[19:20] <juliank> Ah OK, no libtool
[19:20] <ari-tczew> maybe that line I choose might be wrong?
[19:21] <juliank> Nah
[19:21] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: no, the grub2/arm64 problem has nothing whatsoever to do with virtualised builders.  Please don't blame virt builders for everything!
[19:21] <juliank> ari-tczew: Did you also add it to libgnu_a_DEPENDENCIES?
[19:21] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: I've already passed it upstream
[19:21] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks :)
[19:22] <LocutusOfBorg> it is trivial to blame the virtualization :D
[19:22] <ari-tczew> juliank: no, I didn't. should do I? If so, should -lacl be the first or the last?
[19:22] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: No wonder you thought virt builders were to blame for lots of problems if you're blaming everything on virt. :-P
[19:22] <juliank> ari-tczew: All the other libraries are there too
[19:22] <juliank> Example being "libgnu_a_LIBADD += @ALLOCA@" "libgnu_a_DEPENDENCIES += @ALLOCA@"
[19:23] <juliank> Not sure if that changes anything, but it seems to be the more correct thing to do
[19:24] <juliank> ari-tczew: But AFAICT it should already be in LDADD:
[19:24] <juliank> "LDADD = $(LIB_ACL) $(LIBICONV) $(LIBINTL) ../lib/libgnu.a"
[19:24] <juliank> I'd just move the libgnu.a to the front of it
[19:24] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: synced tcl8.6 and tk8.6 for you
[19:24] <juliank> That's in src/Makefile.am
[19:25] <ari-tczew> juliank: OK, I'll try it without my first own change
[19:37] <ari-tczew> juliank: pbuilder seems to be happy with change suggested by you. thanks!!!!
[19:37] <ari-tczew> I'll build it now on PPA.
[19:53] <juliank> ari-tczew: Yeah, it's a matter of specifying the -l options *after* the objects needing them (here: the libgnu.a)
[19:59] <ari-tczew> juliank: It's odd, that the same package in Debian builds fine there, though.
[19:59] <juliank> Different linker settings.
[19:59] <juliank> Maybe bsymbolic-functions, I don't know
[20:02] <cjwatson> --as-needed, I expect
[20:04] <cjwatson> (which isn't on by default in Debian, but is in Ubuntu since natty)
[20:05] <cjwatson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/ToolchainTransition
[20:05] <ari-tczew> juliank: Also, there is no _missing_ library. The another just should be moved. (conclusion)
[20:08] <juliank> cjwatson: Yeah, makes sense
[20:11]  * cjwatson pokes Leif about grub2/arm64 to see if he got anywhere with relocation improvements
[23:25] <bdrung> cjwatson, vlc daily builds fail: https://launchpad.net/~videolan/+archive/ubuntu/stable-daily/+build/8859183
[23:25] <bdrung> cjwatson, configure: error: "You cannot build VLC with Qt-5.5.0. You need to backport I78ef29975181ee22429c9bd4b11d96d9e68b7a9c"
[23:25] <bdrung> cjwatson, can you backport that fix to xenial's qt version?


[21:59] <NoCode> Hi, I've into a weird thing with 16.04. Usually I install JACK, do realtime audio, so that means I add my user to the audio and realtime group, etc.. But, /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf. suggests I only have 64 with ulimit -l. What else can do I do to get it to unlimited?
[23:11] <fossfreedom> NoCode, this sounds more like a generic linux type question.  probably better on a wider audience forum like ubuntuforums.org or askubuntu.com