[00:17] <dominicdinada> How long does it take to Gpart a 750 gig hard drive lol been going on 30 mins still step 1 of 3
[00:18] <cclausen> what are you doing with gpart?
[00:18] <cclausen> moving data around?
[00:18] <Kaprenakis> i did a 500gb and took 1hour to reformat
[00:18] <cclausen> moving partitions can take days or weeks
[00:19] <dominicdinada> it is wiping the files from a previous persons backup making a 700 ext4 primary and a 30 gig primary fat32
[00:21] <dominicdinada> Although it doesn't make sense why this ever takes so long because the file tables are stored in a file and unlinking the filetable = free then just set it to ext4 in the filetable blah
[00:24] <CaptainTrek> question:
[00:24] <CaptainTrek> using Apache, how can I designate a subdomain?
[00:24] <CaptainTrek> such as sub.foo.com
[00:24] <CaptainTrek> assuming my site was foo.com
[00:24] <dominicdinada> fqdn.conf ?
[00:24] <dominicdinada> !fqdn
[00:24] <CaptainTrek> yes, but how can I map that to a specific folder
[00:24] <CaptainTrek> such as, say, /var/www/sub
[00:25] <CaptainTrek> or summat
[00:25] <CaptainTrek> sorry, i'm new to Apache xd
[00:25] <CaptainTrek> xD *
[00:25] <cclausen> CaptainTrek: look at the example in /etc/apache2/sites-available
[00:25] <dominicdinada> sorry Not sure how specify that you asked how to designate a subdomain and you should be able to just register it in the fqdn
[00:26] <cclausen> I copy the default one, remove teh NameVirtualHost line at the top and add teh correct virtualhost in there
[00:26] <cclausen> then just point that site at its own docroot (and probably its own set of log files too)
[00:26] <dominicdinada> are you FAWKING kidding me
[00:26] <dominicdinada> now my lost and found has all this drives contents BLAH
[00:26] <CaptainTrek> um...
[00:27] <cclausen> that appears to be unrelated to apache...
[00:27] <CaptainTrek> cclausen: what about redesignating the root for that new entry?
[00:27] <CaptainTrek> would I change the entry for /var/www to /var/www/foo?
[00:27] <CaptainTrek> where foo is the filestore for the subdomain
[00:27] <cclausen> are you adding an additional subdomain?
[00:27] <cclausen> or changing the default one?
[00:27] <CaptainTrek> adding an additional subdomain
[00:28] <CaptainTrek> so my domain is trekweb.org
[00:28] <cclausen> b/c people could still get to the content on the original just /foo
[00:28] <CaptainTrek> and subdomain could be foo.trekweb.org
[00:28] <cclausen> do you really want to allow that?
[00:28] <CaptainTrek> no, i'm thinking of moving default to /var/www/mainsite
[00:28] <CaptainTrek> or summat
[00:28] <cclausen> yeah, that is a good idea
[00:28] <CaptainTrek> cclausen: i used to use web hosting from a company, i'm trying to run it all off of my own systems now so I pay far less each year xD
[00:29] <CaptainTrek> so my question is still unanswered
[00:29] <CaptainTrek> in default AND the new subdomain
[00:29] <CaptainTrek> i specify what?
[00:29] <CaptainTrek> that the directory it has written into its entry now routes to somewhere else?
[00:30] <cclausen> CaptainTrek: hold on, let me get you some examples
[00:30] <CaptainTrek> or would i need to set up something fancy DNS-side?
[00:30] <CaptainTrek> thanks
[00:30] <cclausen> are your sub-domains on the same IP?
[00:31] <CaptainTrek> mhm
[00:31] <CaptainTrek> only running on one server right now
[00:31] <CaptainTrek> although it has two IPs connected to it
[00:32] <CaptainTrek> its dually connected to two static IPs through two ethernet NICs
[00:32] <CaptainTrek> regardless, trekweb.org routes to both
[00:32] <dominicdinada> can't you just make a new line mirroring the first with the second nics ip?
[00:32] <CaptainTrek> you've lost me
[00:33] <CaptainTrek> the NICs run in a way so if one dies the other picks it up
[00:33] <CaptainTrek> i manually set which is active
[00:34] <CaptainTrek> regardless, the nics are in the same server
[00:34] <CaptainTrek> Apache needs to make the differentiation
[00:34] <CaptainTrek> not the IPs
[00:34] <CaptainTrek> hence why i'm here to ask if its possible
[00:34] <CaptainTrek> if it were possible DNS side, i wouldn't be here
[00:35] <dominicdinada> ok Now i need help the other person helping isnt here
[00:35] <dominicdinada> i copied over Server as a "livecd"
[00:35] <dominicdinada> brb dinner
[00:36] <cclausen> CaptainTrek: https://lsecure.admin.illinois.edu/~cclausen/apache/
[00:37] <CaptainTrek> okay, so from what I can see there...
[00:37] <CaptainTrek> you made a second entry
[00:37] <CaptainTrek> ?
[00:37] <CaptainTrek> and messed where one's root directory is located
[00:38] <cclausen> each site is in its own sub folder
[00:38] <CaptainTrek> ah
[00:38] <cclausen> (I only listed two files, but there are several)
[00:38] <CaptainTrek> and each entry for the configs specifies where its own individual directory is in?
[00:38] <cclausen> I also have logging set to go into the log folder per user
[00:38] <CaptainTrek> ah i see
[00:38] <CaptainTrek> NOW i got it
[00:38] <cclausen> yep, pretty much
[00:39] <cclausen> bascially, doc root for all of my sites is /var/www/SITEUSER/public_html
[00:40] <cclausen> (this way I can abuse the apache userdors module to serve content as well)
[00:40] <CaptainTrek> heh
[00:40] <cclausen> I actually created home diretories for each account under /var/www instead of in /home
[00:40] <CaptainTrek> well, assuming I'm not doing anything super fancy
[00:40] <cclausen> b/c suexec gets stupid with paths otherwise and I wanted process isolation
[00:41] <cclausen> only trick is that the default one needs to be loaded first when apache starts
[00:41] <CaptainTrek> GENERALLY SPEAKING...
[00:41] <cclausen> in general it is symlinked 000-default so that it loads first
[00:41] <cclausen> b/c default has the NameVirtualHost in it
[00:41] <cclausen> and the other files do not
[00:41] <CaptainTrek> ah okay
[00:41] <CaptainTrek> i got that now
[00:42] <CaptainTrek> i think...
[00:42] <CaptainTrek> :/
[00:42] <cclausen> try it
[00:42] <cclausen> worse case is that you break your web server :-)
[00:42] <CaptainTrek> heh
[00:42] <CaptainTrek> then i just kill the files, reinstall, boom, its fixed xD
[00:43] <CaptainTrek> i'm not near the server box just now, i'll test it later\
[00:43] <CaptainTrek> thanks for the info though
[00:45] <cclausen> if you want some help in the future, you can enable http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_info.html so that we can easily see your server config
[00:46] <CaptainTrek> alrighty, its quite likely i'll be asking for help then.  :)
[00:46] <CaptainTrek> seeing how I'm new to Apache
[00:47] <cclausen> the actual docs are at: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/
[00:47] <CaptainTrek> although I was really happy when I got the damn thing to show the "It works!" default page in /var/www
[00:47] <CaptainTrek> xD
[00:47] <cclausen> for virtual hosts
[00:50] <CaptainTrek> i'm running a test of Apache on a separate Ubuntu partition on my laptop, so if I mess up I ccan just nuke the partition and start over
[00:50] <CaptainTrek> xD
[01:58] <dominicdinada> what does manage updates in landscape mean
[01:59] <cclausen> !landscape
[02:07] <dominicdinada> cclausen:  Getting server installed this was is pretty easy
[02:08] <cclausen> cool
[02:21] <dominicdinada> how to install/start gnome on server ?
[02:22] <dominicdinada> !gnome on server
[02:22] <scar> has anyone been able to change the console resolution in 10.04?  i tried adding GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x768 to /etc/default/grub and running 'sudo update-grub' but that only seems to be adjusting grub's resolution and not the console's
[02:24] <cclausen> scar: I have that same problem.  console is insanely slow under Hyper-V
[02:24] <cclausen> dominicdinada: aptitude install ubuntu-desktop ?  although I'd ask why do you want to install gnome on a server?
[02:25] <scar> cclausen, Hyper-V?
[02:26] <cclausen> scar: Microsoft Hyper-V is the hypervisor for some of my Ubuntu VMs
[02:27] <dominicdinada> well i prefer a GUI and after this is all set up gui i would and need to remote admin it i have 3 pcs 2 linux 2 macs
[02:28] <cclausen> dominicdinada: you don't need gnome for remote admin work.  you can just ssh in
[02:28] <dominicdinada> true...
[02:29] <scar> and with X11 forwarding, you can run gui apps... but it will be quicker to learn the command line
[02:30] <dominicdinada> scar I grew up on command lines but dont know linux in and out...
[02:31] <cclausen> dominicdinada: aptitude upgrade is basically the general way to do updates
[02:33] <dominicdinada> yes but one problem i am at is copy and paste or lack of in commandline
[02:37] <cclausen> you should be able to copy and paste into an ssh session
[02:54] <cclausen> scar: for your grub issues, edit /etc/default/grub and enable GRUB_TERMINAL=console and run update-grub
[02:55] <scar> really? disable graphical terminal? what is that?
[02:55] <scar> i'll give it a shot
[02:58] <scar> cclausen, him it didn't work and it is showing the splash screen for a split second
[02:59] <scar> i even have "nosplash" in the /etc/default/grub lol
[03:02] <cclausen> did you run update-grub
[03:03] <cclausen> doesn't get rid of teh frame buffer console though...
[03:03] <cclausen> need to figure that out...
[03:04] <scar> cclausen, yes i did.... it is strange the splash screen is coming up too
[03:06] <dominicdinada> what file contains the subnet information for my wireless ?
[03:08] <storrgie> is keyserver.ubuntu.com down? How do you check on it
[03:11] <cclausen> scar: hmm.. I see what you mean.  a brief splash of something shows up
[03:11] <cclausen> even with kernel options nosplash nofb nomodeset
[03:11] <scar> cclausen, it is the purple "Ubuntu 10.04" screen
[03:13] <cclausen> yeah, need to look into getting rid of that...
[03:23] <scar> if you turn back on "quiet" does it go away?
[03:23] <scar> brb
[03:26] <d6chung> Hi, I'm tryin out Ubuntu server for the first time and does the 10.04 server edition boot into some graphical mode?
[03:26] <d6chung> The problem I'm getting is that after what I think is file systems are mounted, my monitor complains that the resolution is out of range.
[03:27] <cclausen> I think I fixed it
[03:27] <d6chung> I thought I installed an ssh server but it's refusing ssh connections... so I need a display.
[03:27] <cclausen> I edited /etc/init/plymouth-splash.conf and changed the start on to start off
[03:28] <d6chung> cclausen: Hey, what's the first thing that's normally displayed when you boot Ubuntu server?
[03:28] <cclausen> I also edited /etc/default/grub and enabled the GRUB_TERMINAL=console and ran update-grub
[03:28] <cclausen> d6chung: I now get 3 2 1 0 count down b/c I told grub to do that
[03:29] <d6chung> How about when the boot is complete? What's displayed after all that?
[03:29] <cclausen> scar: not sure, I want to see the kernel messages at boot myself
[03:29] <cclausen> d6chung: I just get a login prompt once it is booted
[03:30] <d6chung> In text mode?
[03:30] <cclausen> yep
[03:30] <cclausen> told kernel to use nosplash nofb nomodeset and that seemed to fix the stupid fbconsole
[03:30] <cclausen> I'm not sure who though adding a graphical console to a server OS was a good idea, but someone needs to fix this
[03:32] <d6chung> cclausen: Okay, will try that, thanks.
[03:33] <cclausen> I'm not even sure where to file that as a bug
[03:34] <storrgie> anyone have time to help me troubleshoot some networking?
[03:34] <cclausen> storrgie: sure
[03:34] <storrgie> ever use kvm?
[03:34] <cclausen> oh no, not again...
[03:34] <cclausen> someone had crazy problems last night with that
[03:34] <storrgie> trying to do what?
[03:35] <dominicdinada> whats the command to get the desktop again   sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop      ?? correct?
[03:35] <mikelifeguard> The package libapache2-mod-fastcgi disappeared - what do I need to do to use fcgi? (there is libapache2-mod-fcgid, which I guess is very similar)
[03:35] <cclausen> had bridge and 3 other virtual interfaces
[03:35] <storrgie> ahhh
[03:35] <storrgie> yeah
[03:35] <cclausen> dominicdinada: yeah. that should work
[03:35] <storrgie> im trying to get a bridge to work
[03:35] <dominicdinada> ok thanks
[03:35] <mikelifeguard> dominicdinada: yes
[03:35] <storrgie> if you know of an easy route that wont make me die
[03:35] <storrgie> then I would love you
[03:35] <cclausen> mikelifeguard: does mod-fcgid work for you instead?  (I realize its not the same thing)
[03:36] <mikelifeguard> I'm not sure yet
[03:36] <cclausen> mikelifeguard: I'll warn that I'm having some problems with fcgid in lucid, but I'm not sure if that is an fcgid problem or a php5 problem
[03:37] <storrgie> cclausen: did the kvm guy ever get straitened out?
[03:37] <cclausen> mikelifeguard: one of the apache config I use for fcgid is at: https://lsecure.admin.illinois.edu/~cclausen/apache/www-acdis
[03:37] <mikelifeguard> I'm using perl, actually
[03:38] <cclausen> mikelifeguard: php5 wrapper is: https://lsecure.admin.illinois.edu/~cclausen/apache/php5
[03:39] <cclausen> mikelifeguard: Perl wrapper I use just execs.  no other config needed
[03:39] <storrgie> cclausen: I have some pastebin for you
[03:39] <cclausen> in fact, only reason I have a wrapper is for suexec and file ownership
[03:39] <storrgie> http://pastebin.com/EtjmqkAE
[03:39] <cclausen> storrgie: ok, loking at it
[03:39] <mikelifeguard> yeah, I don't need that :)
[03:39] <storrgie> not picking up a DNS?
[03:39] <storrgie> err
[03:40] <storrgie> gateway?
[03:40] <cclausen> storrgie: you seem to have only internal connections
[03:40] <storrgie> yes...
[03:40] <cclausen> are you behind a router?
[03:40] <storrgie> yep
[03:40] <cclausen> storrgie: what is the router's IP?
[03:40] <mikelifeguard> hm, "It is a binary compatibility alternative to Apache module mod_fastcgi." sounds promising
[03:40] <cclausen> storrgie: can you ping the router?
[03:40] <mikelifeguard> but I still wonder where mod_fastcgi went
[03:40] <storrgie> cclausen: yes i can
[03:40] <storrgie> <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:40] <storrgie> tomato
[03:40] <storrgie> wrt54gl
[03:41] <cclausen> mikelifeguard: it works for me.  serves a few web sites, although my production system is still running hardy.  my test box seems to be freaking out since I upgraded though.  keep getting out of memory errors, not sure why yet
[03:41] <cclausen> storrgie: pastebin ip route
[03:41] <cclausen> storrgie: you running lucid?
[03:42] <storrgie> yes lucid
[03:43] <storrgie> how do I print out iproute?
[03:43] <storrgie> one moment
[03:43] <storrgie> rebootingrouter
[03:43] <storrgie> might drop
[03:43] <mikelifeguard> AHA! mod_fastcgi is in multiverse; fcgid is in universe
[03:43] <cclausen> mikelifeguard: I see libapache2-mod-fastcgi in apt-cache search
[03:44] <cclausen> mikelifeguard: did you try just installing it?
[03:44] <mikelifeguard> I don't have multiverse on that machine, apparently O_o
[03:44] <cclausen> mikelifeguard: its in multiverse/web now
[03:44] <cclausen> do you have that enabled in sources?
[03:44] <mikelifeguard> I will shortly
[03:45] <storrgie> cclausen: ok back
[03:45] <storrgie> iproute?
[03:45] <storrgie> one thing confusing
[03:45] <storrgie> on my router
[03:46] <cclausen> storrgie: ip route ?  or netstat -r
[03:46] <storrgie> I see two ip addresses come up for the same mac
[03:46] <scar> cclausen, GRUB_GFXMODE=1024x768 <-- is that right?
[03:46] <cclausen> e.g. print your routing table somehow
[03:46] <cclausen> scar: I just ignored that.  the GRUB_TERMINAL=console is aboe that
[03:46] <cclausen> storrgie: that is possible.  that might be how the bridge works
[03:47] <storrgie> nope
[03:47] <storrgie> mind a PM?
[03:47] <cclausen> storrgie: although if they are actually on the same subnet, that will cause problems
[03:47] <cclausen> storrgie: I'd prefer to keep things in the channel
[03:47] <cclausen> to help others
[03:47] <storrgie> just for all my macs
[03:47] <storrgie> sent it to you in PM
[03:47] <scar> cclausen, yes but i want increased resolution
[03:48] <cclausen> scar: oh, yeah, try increasing it then
[03:48] <storrgie> scar: I tried some of those fixes... I would be careful you can corrupt grub and get a kernal panic
[03:48] <storrgie> I couldnt get 1920x1200 to work
[03:49] <cclausen> storrgie: I'm not sure that is a standard that can be supported by default.  that is fairly high resolution
[03:49] <scar> cclausen, that's what i've been doing! it won't go into 1024x768 tho.... if i push SHIFT before boot and enter the grub interface, it is in 1024x768 but as soon as i boot the kernel it goes back to whatever... 80 colums x 24 rows
[03:49] <cclausen> err
[03:49] <cclausen> that was for scar
[03:50] <cclausen> storrgie: start basic troubleshooting which interfaces can communicate.  do you have firewalls?  If so, disable them
[03:50] <scar> on my 9.10 desktop, setting that GRUB_GFXMODE is all it took to change the console resolution also
[03:50] <storrgie> cclausen: no firewalls
[03:51] <storrgie> it may be my router but here
[03:51] <storrgie> I removed all static routes inside my router
[03:51] <cclausen> storrgie: can you login to the router and access stuff?
[03:51] <storrgie> yep
[03:52] <storrgie> I am sysowner
[03:52] <storrgie> i removed the static routes
[03:52] <storrgie> and did a /etc/networking/interfaces restart
[03:52] <cclausen> can you access the clients from the router?
[03:52] <storrgie> now I have this
[03:52] <storrgie> http://pastebin.com/NxWAFKFc
[03:52] <storrgie> yea the router is tomato firmware (linux)
[03:53] <storrgie> still no outbound
[03:53] <storrgie> even though I got DHCP IPs
[03:53] <cclausen> storrgie: try a traceroute and see where teh traffic stops
[03:53] <storrgie> 50 and 51
[03:53] <storrgie> traceroute6?
[03:53] <cclausen> that is ipv6 so probably not useful here
[03:53] <storrgie> not sure what command you want me to run
[03:53] <storrgie> tracepath?
[03:53] <cclausen> you don;t have a traceroute command?
[03:54] <storrgie> I'm in lucid 10.04
[03:54] <storrgie> i dont have a traceroute command
[03:54] <cclausen> wow, I don;t either
[03:54] <storrgie> yep
[03:54] <cclausen> well, lets find one...
[03:54] <storrgie> thats not been standard for a while
[03:54] <storrgie> well
[03:54] <storrgie> i dont have network...
[03:54] <storrgie> so i cant install it
[03:55] <cclausen> download the deb to your router
[03:55] <storrgie> hey check PM
[03:55] <cclausen> and copy it from there
[03:55] <storrgie> sent you my 'tracepath'
[03:55] <cclausen> storrgie: tracepath might work then
[03:55] <cclausen> storrgie: looks like it gets to your router and your router isn't routing it.
[03:55] <storrgie> I could specify my IP's manually in the interfaces
[03:55] <storrgie> that may work
[03:56] <storrgie> I just wanted to do it from the router
[03:56] <cclausen> looks like a problem on the router
[03:56] <storrgie> i'm talking to you through this router
[03:56] <storrgie> from my laptop
[03:56] <storrgie> and it wasnt a problem with 9.10
[03:56] <cclausen> run the same commadn from your laptop
[03:57] <cclausen> does it work correctly from there?
[03:57] <storrgie> hrm no
[03:57] <storrgie> weird....
[03:57] <storrgie> but i can get internet and everything
[03:57] <cclausen> well, that isn't a valid test method then
[03:57] <cclausen> something is blocking ICMP, probably your router
[03:57] <storrgie> i dont think I have ever had this issue
[03:58] <cclausen> you need to be able to get the "TTL expired in transit" responces back from traceroute
[03:58] <cclausen> or, could be your ISP
[03:58] <cclausen> makes it very hard to debug without actual info...
[03:58] <storrgie> I am using opendns
[03:58] <storrgie> <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:58] <storrgie> you know what
[03:58] <cclausen> dns would have nothing to do with outbound connections
[03:58] <storrgie> hrm
[03:59] <storrgie> then how can my laptop get outbound
[03:59] <storrgie> its dhcp
[03:59] <storrgie> just like my server
[03:59] <storrgie> and its also 10.04
[03:59] <storrgie> just like my server
[03:59] <cclausen> storrgie: let teh command run longer
[03:59] <storrgie> it just has ubuntu-desktop
[03:59] <cclausen> maybe just a few hosts are clokcing ICMP
[03:59] <storrgie> ok letting it run
[03:59] <cclausen> also, IRC is TCP not ICMP traffic
[03:59] <storrgie> what is icmp
[04:00] <cclausen> !icmp
[04:00] <cclausen> hmm... ok, I tried
[04:00] <storrgie> I know what it is kind of
[04:00] <cclausen> storrgie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Control_Message_Protocol
[04:00] <storrgie> isnt it the protocol for asking dns record?
[04:00] <cclausen> it is an internet protocol
[04:00] <cclausen> has nothing to do with DNS
[04:00] <storrgie> send another PM
[04:01] <storrgie> looks... not good
[04:01] <dominicdinada> Blah I couldnt get my wifi to work ah well
[04:01] <cclausen> storrgie: can you access the desktop from your laptop?
[04:01] <scar> cclausen, only way i have been able to increase resolution is by editing /etc/grub.d/00_header
[04:01] <cclausen> both interfaces? 50 and 51 ?
[04:01] <cclausen> scar: that seems reasonable if it works
[04:02] <storrgie> cclausen: that is affirmative
[04:02] <storrgie> both interfaces
[04:02] <storrgie> can ssh in
[04:02] <scar> cclausen, no we aren't supposed to edit that file ;)
[04:02] <cclausen> storrgie: and from there back to your laptop?
[04:02] <cclausen> scar: says who?
[04:02] <storrgie> cclausen: yep i can ping back
[04:02] <storrgie> no sshd on laptop
[04:02] <cclausen> storrgie: ping is fine, ok
[04:02] <storrgie> internal network is fine then
[04:02] <storrgie> should i go kill my modem?
[04:02] <cclausen> storrgie: your router can access all the boxes too?
[04:03] <storrgie> checking
[04:03] <storrgie> yes it can
[04:03] <storrgie> pings them
[04:03] <cclausen> storrgie: do you have a third macine you can test with?
[04:03] <storrgie> i have more but i think were dealing with a router issue
[04:03] <storrgie> or modem?!
[04:03] <cclausen> try putting a third machine on the same IPs as the desktop (with the destop network unlugged)
[04:03] <storrgie> multiple people on it right now using the internet
[04:04] <cclausen> I;d say to use your laptop, but that might disconnect you from the channel
[04:04] <cclausen> storrgie: ah, ok, well, no problem
[04:04] <scar> what was uncommenting GRUB_TERMINAL=console  for?
[04:04] <cclausen> storrgie: are teh MACs in the router's allowed list?
[04:04] <storrgie> yep
[04:04] <cclausen> scar: enables text mode for grub.  I wanted text mode to work myself and NOT the framebuffer graphic mode
[04:04] <storrgie> all are
[04:05] <scar> bbl
[04:08] <cclausen> storrgie: pastebin output of route command so that we can see the routing table
[04:09] <storrgie> so here is where we are at
[04:10] <storrgie> pm
[04:10] <cclausen> default route appears to go to the router...
[04:10] <cclausen> looks good to me
[04:10] <storrgie> yep
[04:10] <storrgie> works now
[04:10] <storrgie> but only 1 interface
[04:10] <cclausen> I assume you have NAT enabled on the router and this system isn't blocked or anything?
[04:10] <cclausen> what do you mean only one interface works?
[04:11] <storrgie> i only brought one up
[04:11] <storrgie> commented out eth1
[04:11] <flatface> While upgrading my server from 9.10 to 10.04, postfix was unable to upgrade by itself, and the entire upgrade process seems to have halted. Is there any way to salvage this? (last bit of upgrade at http://pastebin.org/198862 )
[04:11] <cclausen> ah, ok
[04:11] <storrgie> restarted with only eth0 left un-commented
[04:11] <storrgie> so now it works
[04:11] <flatface> Or was postfix just the last package that was to be installed?
[04:11] <storrgie> tracepath still goes poop
[04:12] <cclausen> flatface: if you run apt-get upgrade, are there more packages available?
[04:12] <cclausen> flatface: I think the upgrade process bailed on you in the middle...
[04:12] <storrgie> not sure what is going on with traceroute.....
[04:12] <storrgie> its going forever
[04:12] <flatface> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[04:12] <flatface> 2 not fully installed or removed.
[04:12] <storrgie> http://pastebin.com/qdZcEXHS
[04:12] <cclausen> storrgie: yeah, that happens when people don't send ICMP back
[04:12] <flatface> checking what these two are
[04:13] <cclausen> flatface: oh, that is promising.  I'd move the edited file out of the way, let the process continue and then trya and re-add your customizations
[04:13] <flatface> Ah, great. Thanks
[04:13] <cclausen> storrgie: can you run a tracepath / traceroute from teh router itself?
[04:14] <storrgie> lemme see
[04:14] <flatface> just postfix and postfix-pcre are the missing ones
[04:14] <cclausen> storrgie: try makcing the 2nd interface NOT dhcp. assign the .3 IP only DO NOT give it a gateway
[04:15] <storrgie> ok
[04:15] <storrgie> on router
[04:15] <storrgie> doing traceroute
[04:15] <storrgie> same thing as the laptop
[04:15] <storrgie> every hop is ***
[04:15] <storrgie> * * *
[04:15] <cclausen> storrgie: yeah, ok, your ISP is mean
[04:15] <flatface> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[04:15] <storrgie> its ATT
[04:15] <flatface> So the upgrade is completely done at this point?
[04:16] <storrgie> U-Verse
[04:16] <storrgie> :(
[04:16] <cclausen> flatface: I think so
[04:16] <storrgie> we lost power a while back
[04:16] <storrgie> maybe i need to go cycle my modem?
[04:16] <flatface> Great, thanks a bunch.
[04:16] <cclausen> flatface: you can try running it again, just to be sure
[04:16] <flatface> I think I'll do that.
[04:16] <cclausen> storrgie: no, I don't think so if you are behind it right now
[04:16] <storrgie> well hrm
[04:16] <storrgie> what is the issue then?
[04:16] <storrgie> this seems like a problem
[04:17] <storrgie> I resolve websites very fast
[04:17] <cclausen> storrgie: did you bring up the 2nd interface as just a static without a gateway?
[04:17] <storrgie> i could
[04:17] <storrgie> want me to do that now?
[04:17] <cclausen> storrgie: yes
[04:18] <cclausen> storrgie: also, if the interfaces are going to be on the same network, why do you need two in teh first place?
[04:19] <storrgie> i want to set a bridge up on one of them
[04:19] <cclausen> storrgie: you don;t need to bridge them.  they are on teh same network
[04:19] <storrgie> i want to use KVM on one
[04:19] <storrgie> as a bridge
[04:19] <cclausen> can't you just use eth0 for both the bridge and the host?
[04:20] <cclausen> I think you are making it more complicated then it needs to be
[04:20] <storrgie> i dunno
[04:20] <storrgie> i'm afraid i will ruin things using a single interface
[04:21] <storrgie> eth1 wont come up....
[04:21] <storrgie> this is infuriating
[04:21] <storrgie> the whole /etc/init.d/networking doesnt do jack
[04:22] <cclausen> storrgie: paste your interfaces file again
[04:22] <storrgie> one moment
[04:27] <storrgie> alright
[04:27] <storrgie> so lemme show you my interfaces
[04:29] <storrgie> cclausen: pmed you my interfaces on accident
[04:29] <storrgie> http://pastebin.com/mXeZpWtz
[04:33] <cclausen> so for anyone else with networking issues, interfaces on the same subnet can't all have the same default gateway. things break with routing
[04:33] <storrgie> yeah
[04:33] <cclausen> just only assign a gateway to a single interface
[04:33] <storrgie> like a baus
[04:33] <cclausen> and it should work
[04:47] <cclausen> storrgie: if you ever want redundant network connections, take a look at this for setting up bonding: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=864657
[04:47] <cclausen> it appears as a single interface and you should be able to bridge to it too
[04:48] <storrgie> yeah i have checked out bonding
[04:48] <storrgie> I dont really need it I guess
[04:48] <storrgie> i wanted to seperate the duties of my interfaces
[04:49] <cclausen> I think you can bridge it and not even assign an IP to it if you want to just use it for virtual machines
[04:49] <storrgie> yeah kvm though
[04:49] <storrgie> its a tricky bitch
[04:49] <cclausen> set it to "manual" instead of static and see if that works
[04:49] <cclausen> I just click buttons in Hyper-V to setup networking.  no problems at all :-)
[04:50] <scar> cclausen, the GRUB_GFXMODE is most likely ignored if GRUB_TERMINAL=console is used
[04:52] <scar> cclausen, so we are in text mode now.... and resolutions like 1024x768 don't mean much... we need to find how to increase from 80x24 i bet
[04:54] <cclausen> scar: yes, that is exactly what I wanted to happen
[04:54] <cclausen> scar: oh, I see.  you want a high res text mode
[04:56] <cclausen> scar: try booting with vga=796 passed to linux
[04:57] <twb> cclausen: I just walked in.  What's the end goal here?
[04:58] <cclausen> twb: scar wants a high resolution console, I think
[04:59] <cclausen> said he was using 1920x1200 previously but that doesn't work now in lucid
[04:59] <cclausen> I wanted to do the opposite myself and turn off all the graphics modes as they don't work well in my hypervisor
[05:00] <twb> scar: what class of GPU do you have?
[05:00] <twb> scar: lspci | grep VGA
[05:01] <cclausen> I get 00:08.0 VGA compatible controller: Microsoft Corporation Device 5353 if that means anything...
[05:01] <twb> cclausen: that means your lspci database is out of date.
[05:02] <twb> sudo update-lspci, IIRC
[05:02] <twb> sudo update-pciids
[05:03] <cclausen> twb: no, I'm pretty sure it is up to date.  that is what I get under Hyper-V
[05:04] <cclausen> Downloaded daily snapshot dated     2010-04-29 10:07:33
[05:05] <scar> 01:0b.0 VGA compatible controller: ASPEED Technology, Inc. ASPEED Graphics Family
[05:05] <twb> cclausen: Hyper-V?
[05:06] <cclausen> Microsoft Hyper-V
[05:06] <cclausen> have people really not heard of that?
[05:06] <twb> I don't use proprietary software.
[05:06] <cclausen> well, I live in the real world
[05:06] <twb> scar: urk.  I do not recognize that manufacturer.  I was hoping for "Intel i915", "nvidia" or "ati".
[05:07] <scar> twb, it's a sun fire server :P
[05:07] <twb> scar: ah, right.
[05:08] <scar> tsb; it can support 1024x768... i had gotten that in the graphical mode.. but now with GRUB_TERMINAL=console defined it is back to 80x24
[05:09] <twb> You want 1024x768, specifically?  That's easier than these new-fangled 6:9 and 9:10 aspect ratios.
[05:10] <scar> twb, something around 1024x768 would be great for console work
[05:10] <twb> video=vesafb:1024x768-8, where 8 is the depth
[05:11] <twb> That corresponds to the historical vga=773, 790, 791, 792
[05:11] <scar> i add that to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= ?
[05:11] <twb> cclausen: you should probably report that PCI ID to the pciutils people, so they can put it in their database.
[05:12] <twb> scar: I'm not too familiar with grub2, but I believe it goes in /etc/default/grub somewhere
[05:12] <cclausen> scar: yeah, that line should work for grub2
[05:13] <scar> so that is preferred over vga=773?
[05:14] <scar> cuz i can't seem to get vga= option to work
[05:14] <scar> maybe it was removed?
[05:18] <twb> scar: are you running Lucid?
[05:18] <scar> yeah
[05:19] <twb> That should work.
[05:19] <twb> Note that grub *itself* will (probably) not be 1024x768, but the kernel should be.
[05:20] <twb> IMO this is a Good Thing, because the bootloader should be dumb and simple, not messing with video modes.
[05:20] <scar> fine with me... let's see, rebooting it now
[05:20] <twb> I was just clarifying in case you seeing grub, and then rebooting in a huff before you got past it :-)
[05:21] <twb> Oh, also, you will need to run "update-grub" to propagate changes from /etc/default/grub to /boot/grub/grub.conf
[05:21] <scar> i did update-grub.... still no change though
[05:23] <cclausen> scar: anything in dmesg out put about video / framebuffer modes?
[05:23] <cclausen> and check the Kernel command line in dmesg output to see that the option actually got passed in
[05:24] <twb> Perhaps this GPU is not VESA compliant?
[05:24] <cclausen> I have Console: colour VGA+ 80x25
[05:24] <scar> [    0.000000] Command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-2.6.32-21-server root=/dev/mapper/pointsource-root ro nosplash video=vesafb:1024x768-32
[05:25] <dominicdinada> anyone have experence working wire wireless interfaces on server
[05:25] <twb> scar: let's check some obvious things.  Are you connecting a monitor directly to a D-sub socket on the motherboard?  You don't have a KVM or anything in the middle?
[05:25] <twb> cclausen: that should probably be -24, not -32.
[05:25] <cclausen> and later on I get fb0: VGA16 VGA frame buffer device
[05:25] <scar> twb, yeah i have KVM
[05:25] <cclausen> Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 80x30
[05:26] <twb> cclausen: that means it's ignoring your video= call and playing silly-buggers :-/
[05:26] <cclausen> yeah...
[05:26] <scar> twb, i am also looking at the console through the ILOM
[05:26] <twb> I noticed that my lucid images ALWAYS load vga16fb, even when I try to tell them not to.
[05:26] <twb> scar: the KVM might interfere with autodetection.  If you can try with the monitor connected directly, that might help.
[05:26] <cclausen> I think nomodeset did something for me on a different system
[05:27] <twb> Also, I'm *pretty* sure it's video=vesafb, but it *might* be video=vesa.
[05:27] <twb> cclausen: the VESA driver doesn't support modesetting as at .32
[05:27] <scar> twb, shouldn't it do it even if the monitor isn't plugged in and i am looking through the ILOM?
[05:27] <twb> scar: generally, yes, but I'm paranoid and it's not working
[05:28] <cclausen> twb: in my case, I wanted the normal 80x25 text mode
[05:29] <twb> cclausen: likewise (in qemu)
[05:29] <dominicdinada> anyone have experence working wire wireless interfaces on server
[05:29] <twb> dominicdinada: no, but my laptop has no GUI, and I use wifi there.
[05:29] <twb> dominicdinada: what is your real question?
[05:30] <scar> twb, so you think i should try plugging the monitor directly in?
[05:30] <dominicdinada> twb: I have a laptop wifi card RTL8101E/8102E rev1 and i think I did everything correctly but the dhclient is not finding the network
[05:30] <twb> scar: that's what I said.
[05:31] <twb> dominicdinada: does "ip addr" list the interface?
[05:31] <dominicdinada> it defaults to a 32bit netmask when searching
[05:31] <dominicdinada> uh I gotta boot into it seperatly while not on here :( i will check though
[05:32] <dominicdinada> and my network is a 24 bit
[05:35] <scar> twb, monitor directly plugged in.. no change
[05:36] <cclausen> twb: I am still seeing a biref flash of an ubuntu logo at bootup though.  any idea how to get rid of that?
[05:37] <scar> cclausen, i thought it went away with the 'start off'
[05:40] <dominicdinada> twb, it looks as though the virbr0 is trying to set the ip address to <IP_ADDRESS>   the eth0 and wlan1 interfaces are in down mode... only the virbr0 is up ?
[05:43] <twb> cclausen: I never saw that.
[05:43] <twb> cclausen: did you install from the server CD?
[05:45] <dominicdinada> ??
[05:45] <dominicdinada>  it looks as though the virbr0 is trying to set the ip address to <IP_ADDRESS>   the eth0 and wlan1 interfaces are in down mode... only the virbr0 is up ?
[05:46] <twb> dominicdinada: I don't know what virbr0 is; it sounds like something a virtualization subsystem would set up.
[05:47] <dominicdinada> yes it was to run remote desktops
[05:47] <dominicdinada> i am assuming but hmmm
[05:47] <twb> dominicdinada: is wpa-supplicant installed?  Pastebin the contents of /etc/network/interfaces
[05:48] <dominicdinada> i will do so in a bit waiting to get other laptop back
[05:48] <dominicdinada> but when i check it only had auto lo in it :/
[05:53] <twb> That sounds like you installed the server from the desktop CD
[05:53] <scar> no change with -24 ;)
[05:53] <twb> dominicdinada: did you install from the server CD?  Is network-manager installed?
[05:54] <twb> scar: I'm afraid I can't help more without digging through ubuntu's /usr/share/initramfs-tools spaghetti, which I don't have time to do right now.
[05:54] <twb> scar: what I've told you definitely SHOULD work if your GPU is VESA compliant and supports 1024x768 resolution
[05:55] <dominicdinada> ok I did it like this .... I got a hd that is going to go in a server but not ready so... I gparted an Ext4 and fat32 system and made it a usb startup disk... used the fat32 to install to the ext4 .... linked the swaps....
[05:55] <dominicdinada> sooo it was a usb startup live cd ?
[05:56] <dominicdinada> opps this drive is in an external housing for the time being also
[05:56] <scar> twb, it must support 1024x768, because i got it in that resolution with the graphical grub (but i had to add a line to /etc/grub.d/00_header). it's just with GRUB_TERMINAL=console defined that i can't seem to increase the resolution
[05:59] <twb> dominicdinada: what ultimately matters is whether you used ubiquity or d-i, and what the d-i preseed values were.
[06:00] <twb> dominicdinada: assuming you don't want NM (NM is yukky), you'll need to write an /etc/network/interfaces
[06:02] <dominicdinada> ok i did some of it but no luck
[06:02] <dominicdinada> i only wrote in auto wlan1
[06:02] <dominicdinada> is also ran the wpa_supplicant.conf   with the essid and key but it is defaulting to a psk ?
[06:04] <dominicdinada> ok about ready to switch to my other laptop to bring the server back up
[06:04] <twb> dominicdinada: just "auto wlan1" is not correct.
[06:05] <dominicdinada> ok
[06:07] <twb> You shouldn't be running X on a server.
[06:07] <dominicdinada> no this is my ubuntu lucid
[06:07] <dominicdinada> the other was windows 7
[06:07] <twb> OK
[06:07] <dominicdinada> trying to get it to boot now
[06:09] <cclausen> twb: actually, I installed from a netinst mini iso.  manybe that is my problem
[06:09] <twb> cclausen: re. vga16fb?
[06:10] <dominicdinada> twb:  ok i am booted
[06:10] <cclausen> twb: yeah, that and the brief 2 second splash screen
[06:10] <cclausen> scar: it partially went away, but I think it just flashes quicker now
[06:11] <twb> cclausen: possibly, but I doubt it
[06:11] <cclausen> I'll take a closer look tomorrow when I get back to the office
[06:11] <cclausen> (at home now)
[06:11] <dominicdinada> :O
[06:12] <scar> how can i tell if the gpu is vesa compilant?
[06:12] <dominicdinada> google it ? honestly ?
[06:12] <dominicdinada> must be a compatability list
[06:12] <twb> scar: any PC from about 1995 onwards will be
[06:12] <twb> scar: but sun can be weird.
[06:12] <cclausen> scar: is this an x86 system?  or SPARC?
[06:13] <twb> From context I was assuming x86
[06:14] <dominicdinada> where should I begin now :/
[06:14] <twb> Hmm, apparently "Sun Fire" is UltraSPARC III
[06:14] <cclausen> yeah, that is what I thought
[06:14] <twb> dominicdinada: first you need to answer my earlier questions
[06:14] <dominicdinada> what ip addr says ?
[06:15] <twb> dominicdinada: first of all, if NM is installed
[06:15] <scar> twb, yes x86
[06:15] <scar> sun fire x2250
[06:16] <twb> Mea culpa, "Sun Fire" *was* UltraSPARC III, but it became "whatever CPU is cheapest this week"
[06:17] <scar> hehe
[06:18] <dominicdinada> twb: E: unable to locate network-manager so it is not installed
[06:18] <twb> dominicdinada: http://pastebin.com/6zNEpQma you want something like this
[06:19] <twb> Cf. interfaces(5) and /usr/share/doc/wpa-supplicant/README.Debian
[06:25] <dominicdinada> twb: typed it all in switching wlan0 for wlan1 my internal nic
[06:26] <scar> using GRUB_TERMINAL=console is faster, especially for scrolling text, for example?
[06:26] <twb> dominicdinada: now write an /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[06:28] <dominicdinada> twb: right now mine says network=( ^M ssid="HomeNetworks505"   ^M  #psk="(mykey)" psk="longlonghash" ^m {
[06:28] <dominicdinada> twb:  If you have wpa_supplication, then run "wpa_passphrase essid key | sudo tee /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf"
[06:29] <dominicdinada> twb: then "wpa_supplicant -B -i eth1 -D wext"    is what i ran before
[06:29] <twb> dominicdinada: OK, and did that work?
[06:29] <dominicdinada> opps not eth1 i used wlan1
[06:30] <dominicdinada> no then when i ran sudo dhclient i get these errors
[06:30] <dominicdinada> siocdifflags unknown error 132
[06:31] <dominicdinada> keeps trying dhcpdiscover on a /32 network....
[06:31] <twb> You ran "dhclient wlan1" ?
[06:31] <dominicdinada> no
[06:31] <dominicdinada> ill try that
[06:31] <twb> In any case, before you do that, you should see what the output from wpa_supplicant is
[06:32] <twb> It should talk about associating with the SSID
[06:32] <dominicdinada> what command should i use ?
[06:32] <twb> The one you meantioned before: 15:29 <dominicdinada> twb: then "wpa_supplicant -B -i eth1 -D wext"    is what i ran before
[06:32] <dominicdinada> ok
[06:32] <twb> Oh, but not -B
[06:32] <dominicdinada> ok
[06:33] <scar> i want to setup drbd/heartbeat to replicate virtual machines, anyone experienced with that?
[06:33] <twb> And before that, do "pkill wpa_supplicant; pkill -9 wpa_supplicant" -- otherwise the older one will fight it.
[06:34] <dominicdinada> It just scrolled the wpa supplicant "help file"
[06:35] <dominicdinada> I ran sudo wpa_supplicant -i wlan1 -D wext
[06:35] <twb> Hm.
[06:35] <twb> Oh, you need -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf, too.
[06:36] <dominicdinada> oh at the end it gives this example    " wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan1 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[06:36] <twb> And probably -d
[06:36] <dominicdinada> what i just typed was exactly what it said
[06:36] <twb> "sudo wpa_supplicant -d -Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf"
[06:36] <twb> ...that works for me
[06:37] <dominicdinada> ok
[06:37] <dominicdinada> Error 132         Could not set up interface 'wlan1' UP
[06:37] <twb> dominicdinada: uh, what gave that error?
[06:38] <dominicdinada> Failed to initialize driver interface    failed to add interface wlan1
[06:38] <dominicdinada> no other errors besides those...
[06:39] <twb> dominicdinada: uh, what gave that error?
[06:39] <dominicdinada> when i just ran  "sudo wpa_supplicant -d -Dwext -iwlan1 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
[06:40] <twb> That's saying that wlan1 doesn't exist.
[06:40] <twb> Does "ip addr" list wlan1?
[06:41] <dominicdinada> yes it does... wlan1 <broadcast,multicast,up,llower_up) mtu 1500 qdisc  noop state down qlen 1000
[06:42] <twb> dominicdinada: OK, then I'm confused.  Try "ifdown --force wlan1", then confirm there are no wpa_supplicant processes running, then retry with -d
[06:42] <dominicdinada> how do i check if the process' are running with ptree -ps ?
[06:44] <dominicdinada> nope :(
[06:48] <dominicdinada> hmmm
[06:48] <twb> I would use pgrep, but I'm old-school.
[06:49] <dominicdinada> ok i plugged in my external wireless nic... and it is trying and trying to connect
[06:49] <dominicdinada> but with the errors trying to find WPA-enabled AP
[06:49] <dominicdinada> I use WEP
[06:50] <twb> If you use WEP you need to tell wpa_supplicant.conf that
[06:50] <twb> The configuration you showed me was for WPA
[06:50] <dominicdinada> oh I asked the other person and they said it was ok :( lol
[06:51] <dominicdinada> thats why i wondered about the PSK keys
[06:51] <twb> But don't use WEP for encryption, because it's known to be insecure.
[06:51] <twb> (cryptographically weak)
[06:51] <dominicdinada> As of right now I dont have a choice
[06:51] <twb> For WPA, you need to do some extra dancing in wpa_supplicant.conf.  The manpage should be clear.
[06:51] <twb> Let me see if I still have a record...
[06:53] <twb> Here we go...
[06:53] <twb> network={ ssid="Hugo76" key_mgmt=NONE wep_key0="thomasandfina" wep_tx_keyidx=0 }
[06:54] <dominicdinada> ok
[06:57] <dominicdinada> STATE: ASSOCIATED -> COMPLETED
[06:57] <dominicdinada> but it didnt drop back to command line should i ctrl c it
[06:59] <dominicdinada> wpa_driver_wext_set_operstate: operstate 0->1 (UP) WEXT: Operstate: Linkmode=-1, operstate=6
[06:59] <twb> dominicdinada: no.
[06:59] <twb> Now that you know it's working, you can use ^C to turn off networking.
[06:59] <Theravadan> I have tried everything but I keep getting "kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed." what the heck does it expect? strace shows it's looking at the debian list of files for the linux-source package. the source package includes a tarball. I have no idea what it expects
[06:59] <twb> Then, use "ifdown --force wlan1; ifup wlan1" which will restart it normally.
[07:00] <twb> Theravadan: what is giving you that error?
[07:00] <Theravadan> twb, pt-get install --reinstall bcmwl-kernel-source bcmwl-modaliases
[07:01] <dominicdinada> ok
[07:01] <twb> Theravadan: you should probably be using module-assistant or DKMS
[07:02] <dominicdinada> Permission denied :/ used sudo
[07:02] <Theravadan> twb, hmm i'll research those but this is for a very new mainline kernel, hopefully that works
[07:02] <dominicdinada> typed sudo ifdown --force wlan0; ifup wlan0
[07:03] <twb> Theravadan: why aren't you running Ubuntu's kernel?
[07:04] <twb> dominicdinada: you need a "sudo ifup wlan0"
[07:04] <dominicdinada> ok now i should be able to reboot and auto connect?
[07:05] <Theravadan> twb,  because i need the new one to get suspend working on my intel i5 430 m
[07:05] <twb> Why would a server need to suspend?
[07:05] <Theravadan> twb, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1460681 .. it's for a desktop but no one else is savvy enough to help so i asked here.
[07:06] <twb> Sorry, I won't help you with a mainline kernel, nor with desktops in a server channel.
[09:01] <twb> kirkland: thanks for actioning that acpid fix
[09:17] <Jeeves_> Pff. Launchpad is too slow!
[09:18] <twb> No kidding
[09:18] <twb> I hate this new-fangled trend of moving everything into the browser
[09:19] <Jeeves_> Yeah
[09:20] <Jeeves_> I thought bughugger would allow me to create bugs without the slowdown of launchpad.
[09:20] <twb> I prefer to just reproduce bugs under Debian and then report them with reportbug(1)
[09:20] <Jeeves_> But I don't get bughugger to do anything else besides showing bugs per package (which launchpad cannot easily do :))
[09:20] <twb> Last time I looked, on Ubuntu, reportbug sent mail to a subscriber-only list
[09:21] <Jeeves_> :)
[09:21] <Jeeves_> PHP Deprecated:  Comments starting with '#' are deprecated in /etc/php5/cli/conf.d/mcrypt.ini on line 1 in Unknown on line 0
[09:21] <twb> And as a DD, I like that I can configure reportbug to perform extra interactions with the end user before letting them send a report
[09:22] <twb> I was really impressed the other day, when "reportbug opera" automatically talked to opera's BTS instead of Debian's (using opera's is a third-party deb).
[09:23] <Jeeves_> Yeah
[09:23] <Jeeves_> Hmm, my bug allready exists, and the fix is released in march 19'th
[09:23] <Jeeves_> too bad it didn't make it in the release :)
[09:59] <ElMarcDeVeritat> Hello, I'm looking for a papper or instructions on how to prepare ubuntu deployment using preseed. I already have the pxe server and preseed working on 9.04 and 9.10. Just want something to read about 10.04 and check if there is somenthing that I'm not doing well enough and learn a bit more. Any advice?
[10:05] <twb> ElMarcDeVeritat: the installation guide has an appendix on preseeding
[10:06] <twb> apt-get install installation-guide-amd64
[10:10] <Cromulent> hmm would you use dovecot or courier for a small mail server? trying to decide between the two
[10:14] <_ruben> dovecot
[10:15] <alien1> Hello
[10:15] <ElMarcDeVeritat> twb: can I download a pdf from somewhere?
[10:16] <twb> ElMarcDeVeritat: I don't know.
[10:16] <alien1> Can anyone help me debug a network problem?
[10:16] <alien1> in ubuntu?
[10:16] <alien1> server
[10:16] <twb> !anyone
[10:16] <twb> !enter
[10:16] <alien1> Ok thanks. I'm new here sorry
[10:16] <twb> No problem.
[10:17] <ElMarcDeVeritat> twb : many thanks, I've found it as a package. (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/installation-guide/20081208ubuntu7/+files/installation-guide_20081208ubuntu7.tar.gz)
[10:18] <dugger5688> How hard is it to set up a machine to control network logins to windows clients?
[10:18] <twb> dugger5688: define "network logins"
[10:19] <twb> dugger5688: are you talking about centralized authentication?
[10:19] <dugger5688> twb: yes
[10:19] <alien1> My problem is ... I have a network interface configured ... <IP_ADDRESS>. Yesterday was working perfectly. Now I cannot access anymore internet. I've put my laptop in the same switch with ip <IP_ADDRESS> and worked properly on internet. I can connect to <IP_ADDRESS> directly from my laptop but server cannot go on internet anymore. When I try to ping the gateway it says "Connect: network is unreachable
[10:19] <twb> dugger5688: what versions of Windows?
[10:19] <dugger5688> twb: Windows XP clients.
[10:20] <twb> That's possible, but I don't know all the details
[10:20] <twb> The key package you want is Samba.  Try lurking here and in #samba, and reading the Ubuntu server guide.
[10:20] <dugger5688> twb: Yeah, I found a few guides. As far as I understand it the most important thing is something that can manage the file permissions.
[10:21] <dugger5688> twb: Samba is easy, I don't have much OpenLDAP experience though. Thought I'd ask in here and see if anyone got it.
[10:22] <dugger5688> twb: thanks for the tips though, will go lurk around in Samba.
[11:14] <halvors> Somone can help me setup my Ubuntu 10.04 mail server?
[11:18] <halvors> :-D
[11:19] <PixelDJ> I suck at mail servers
[11:19] <PixelDJ> =(
[11:20] <halvors> OK, but do you have setup one???
[11:20] <halvors> I have tryed for 2 years ;(
[11:23] <PixelDJ> Nah I gave up on Postfix and got a Rollernet account.
[11:23] <PixelDJ> For some reason I hate mail servers.
[11:23] <PixelDJ> and DNS servers.
[11:23] <PixelDJ> Necessary evils.
[11:24] <halvors> Can you help me if i give you acces to my ssh?
[11:24] <halvors> Also about emailserver?
[11:24] <halvors> :-D
[11:25] <PixelDJ> Probably if it was something besides mail servers haha
[11:26] <halvors> OK, so do you not want to try help me with the email servers?
[11:26] <halvors>  I will use Postfix+ Dovecot
[11:27] <_ruben> read the server guide .. it should get you started just fine
[11:30] <halvors> I have done it, but it does not work, i followed this http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix
[11:31] <_ruben> tell it to get a job the
[11:31] <_ruben> n
[11:32] <PixelDJ> I usually follow the Perfect Server guides. http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-ubuntu-10.04-lucid-lynx-ispconfig-2
[11:32] <PixelDJ> without the ISPconfig part
[11:33] <halvors> I hvae try it too but it does not work ;(
[11:34] <halvors> And i want to use Dovecot instead of Courier
[11:35] <halvors> But do you want to help me? I can give you access to SSH and webmin login
[11:48] <Pirate_Hunter> morning how do I go about disabling the combination key control-alt-delete in lucid server, apparently the location has been changed and I have no clue where?
[11:49] <TeTeT> Pirate_Hunter: I think it's upstart'ed now, /etc/init/control-alt-delete.conf
[11:50] <Pirate_Hunter> TeTeT, ok I guess that makes it easier to remove, no need to edit the file no more
[11:51] <soren> TeTeT is right. upstart emits control-alt-delete when that key combo is pressed. /etc/init/control-alt-delete.conf triggers on this event and acts accordingly.
[11:52] <Pirate_Hunter> TeTeT, thanks got it sorted ignore what I said earlier was thinking of ...init.d/ :s
[12:32] <Mkools> Hi, I want to virtually host my domain on Tomcat6. For that I have configured my private DNS using bind9. I am using Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic. Can some one please help by providing necessary information like which file to edit (e.g. server.xml), necessary links, books names etc.
[12:34] <Mkools> In all, first I want to access first page ( It works !) using firefox web browser by typing URL of my domain name.
[12:34] <Mkools> server
[12:35] <pmatulis> Mkools: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/tomcat.html
[12:41] <halvors> Some here know how to setup a working emailserver with Postfix and Dovecot in Ubuntu 10,04 Lucid Lynx?
[12:43] <Pirate_Hunter> Is it worth uncommenting net.ipv4.tcp_syncookies=1 from /etc/sysctl.cong? I am wondering because the file states that those were found in previous version of netbased, so are they not needed no more?
[12:43] <halvors> :-D
[12:45] <Pirate_Hunter> huh?
[12:46] <halvors> I only asked about who could help me with setup a email server ;)
[12:48] <halvors> Can somone hel me????????????
[12:49] <Pici> halvors: Have you seen this? https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/postfix.html
[12:53] <zul> morning
[12:53] <Pirate_Hunter> Pici, can you answer that not sure if its worth using them if they are depreciated
[12:55] <halvors> I hav etryd it , but i t does not work?
[12:55] <halvors> I need someone who can login and fix it for me ;)
[12:55] <Mkools> pmatulis: Where can I find conf/ directory.
[12:56] <halvors> You will get the SSH and Webmin Password
[12:56] <halvors> Someone can help me?
[12:56] <Pici> Pirate_Hunter: I don't know, sorry.
[12:56] <Pici> halvors: Thats not a service that we provide here.
[12:57] <halvors> Please :-D I have tryed for 3 years :'(
[12:57] <Pirate_Hunter>   halvors that is also more work than required, also there are many tuts online for the previous lts that you can use as a base
[12:58] <Pirate_Hunter> Pici, no worries, will review it again and decide than
[12:59] <pmatulis> Mkools: look under /etc/tomcat6
[13:00] <pmatulis> Mkools: 'dpkg -L tomcat6' to show files installed by the tomcat6 package
[13:02] <halvors> But i have dont find som good ;( When vwill the 10.04 server guide be posted?
[13:02] <halvors> And how can i show system logs in webmin?
[13:03] <halvors> Do you know about some good wehb based admin panels?
[13:03] <Mkools> pmatulis: There is no directory /conf in /etc/tomcat6 but there is one like /var/lib/tomcat6/conf is it the one.
[13:03] <halvors> :)
[13:03] <pmatulis> Mkools: could be, not sure
[13:04] <Mkools> pmatulis: But why there is no conf file under /etc/tomcat6
[13:04] <Mkools> Does I have not installed it properly.
[13:04] <halvors> What is tomcat?
[13:05] <Mkools> Or not set the java path.
[13:06] <pmatulis> Mkools: i'm sure it's installed ok.  you now need to learn how to use it.
[13:07] <Mkools> pmatulis: Yeah sure, Just asking as a precaution.
[13:12] <Mkools> pmatulis: Does virtual hosting means virtual host creation?
[13:15] <Pirate_Hunter> is there any tuts on pam_cracklib just checking it on lucid and it has changed a lot, wondering if anything has been released on it
[13:18] <Pirate_Hunter> or anyone has attempted altering the file common-password under lucid?
[13:50] <alien1> I have a server with ip <IP_ADDRESS>. The problem I encountered is that I can access the server from <IP_ADDRESS> which is in the same switch but I cannot access from <IP_ADDRESS> for example which is in other switch.
[13:51] <alien1> the two switches are linked in cascade.
[13:51] <andol> alien1: proper netmask and/or default gateway settings?
[13:52] <andol> alien1: ruled out faulty setting in the switches?
[13:54] <alien1> the mask is proper and gateway
[13:54] <alien1> I cannot access gateway from the server because of a switch problem I think ...
[14:14] <halvors> I got this in my email log:
[14:14] <halvors> May  3 14:17:38 ss1 postfix/postalias[11709]: warning: /etc/aliases, line 58: need name:value pair May  3 14:22:53 ss1 postfix/smtpd[11990]: warning: dict_nis_init: NIS domain name not set - NIS lookups disabled May  3 14:23:53 ss1 postfix/postmap[12329]: warning: /etc/aliases, line 2: record is in "key: value" format; is this an alias file? May  3 14:37:36 ss1 postfix/postqueue[13588]: warning: Mail system is down -- accessing queue d
[14:14] <halvors> What should i do?????
[14:15] <zul> set your NIS domain
[14:15] <halvors> How set NIS domain and what is it?
[14:16] <halvors> Should it be done in the Postfix mancf or?
[14:16] <halvors> sry main.cf
[14:16] <joschi> halvors: check your /etc/aliases file
[14:16] <joschi> there is most probably an error on line 2 ;)
[14:17] <halvors> OK, but what is NIS domain?
[14:17] <joschi> halvors: that's only needed if you are using NIS
[14:17] <halvors> But What is it?
[14:17] <joschi> halvors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Information_Service
[14:17] <halvors> Anbd whay i get the error about NIS
[14:17] <halvors> Here is my log file:
[14:18] <halvors> # See man 5 aliases for format
[14:18] <halvors> postmaster:    root
[14:18] <halvors><EMAIL_ADDRESS>skymia.net
[14:18] <halvors> skymia.net	skymia.net
[14:18] <halvors><EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:18] <joschi> that's a warning and no error
[14:18] <joschi> and that's obviously a wrong syntax for your aliases file...
[14:18] <Pici> and he excess flooded
[14:19] <halvors> Is the error  this: postmaster:    root ?
[14:19] <Pici> !paste | halvors
[14:20] <halvors> Sorry here is my paste: http://paste.ubuntu.com/427004/
[14:20] <joschi> halvors: read http://www.postfix.org/aliases.5.html
[14:21] <joschi> halvors: and then use postalias (or newaliases) instead of postmap with this file
[14:21] <halvors> The aliases file is generated by Virtualmin.
[14:21] <halvors> Is the error  this: postmaster:    root ?
[14:21] <halvors> Online 2
[14:22] <halvors> sry on line
[14:22] <halvors> 2
[14:22] <joschi> yes
[14:22] <halvors> will try now ;)
[14:22] <halvors> but what about dovecot killed by signal 15?
[14:22] <joschi> either you want a real alias file, then this is the only correct entry (and it's included wrong in your main.cf), or you want a virtual(5) file, then line 2 is the only wrong line
[14:23] <halvors> ok
[14:25] <zul> hggdh: heh...help..
[14:25] <halvors> Now i only get this errors:
[14:25] <halvors> http://paste.ubuntu.com/427006/
[14:27] <joschi> halvors: make sure /etc/ssl/private/smtpd.key is accessible for postfix
[14:27] <halvors> ok
[14:27] <joschi> and make sure it actually contains a X.509 private key
[14:28] <halvors> but i think it are somerrors here: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/certificates-and-security.html#creating-a-self-signed-certificate
[14:28] <halvors> 'ifollowed this
[14:28] <halvors> but got som errors in my log file
[14:30] <joschi> $ ls -ld /etc/ssl/private
[14:30] <joschi> drwx--x--- 2 root ssl-cert 4096 Apr 10 07:09 /etc/ssl/private
[14:30] <joschi> so you should add your postfix user to the group ssl-cert
[14:32] <halvors> my smtpd.key fil does not kontain anyting :S
[14:33] <halvors> What does this command $ ls -ld /etc/ssl/private ?
[14:35] <halvors> And i checked ostfix is member of group ssl-cets
[14:35] <halvors> sry ssl-cert
[14:35] <halvors> So...
[14:35] <halvors> This command does not work:
[14:35] <halvors> openssl x509 -req -days 365 -in server.csr -signkey server.key -out server.crt
[14:36] <halvors> will i need to cd to /etc/ssl first?
[14:36] <hggdh> zul: waiting for bughugger to return me a list... but I am on it also
[14:36] <zul> hggdh: sweet
[14:38] <halvors> :-D???
[14:40] <joschi> halvors: with the openssl command you posted, you'll get 3 files in your current working dir:  server.{csr,key,crt}
[14:41] <joschi> actually server.key and server.csr already have to exist
[14:42] <halvors> but i get the error: server.csr: No such file or directory
[14:42] <halvors> unable to write 'random state'
[14:42] <halvors> So what sould i do?
[14:43] <joschi> halvors:  you should first generate a csr and a private key before you try to generate a certificate out of both ;)
[14:43] <ivoks> helo
[14:43] <ivoks> ts
[14:48] <halvors> Yes, now i understand, should i do the things at the bottom of this guide?
[14:48] <halvors> https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/certificates-and-security.html#creating-a-self-signed-certificate
[14:49] <halvors> ??:-D
[14:53] <halvors> ??
[14:53] <halvors> Now...
[14:56] <federico> hi, I've installed UEC following the guide in the page. The first time I could run an ubuntu image and login it via ssh. But now I cant, I've this error ssh -i mykey.priv<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:56] <federico> Warning: Identity file mykey.priv not accessible: No such file or directory.
[14:56] <federico> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
[14:56] <federico> @    WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!     @
[14:56] <federico> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
[14:56] <federico> IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY!
[14:56] <federico> Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)!
[14:56] <federico> It is also possible that the RSA host key has just been changed.
[14:56] <Pici> !paste | federico
[14:57] <joschi> halvors: you don't need a CA
[14:58] <zul> hggdh: do you want to take eveyone before 572105
[14:58] <joschi> halvors: and please: don't just copy&paste the commands from the guide but *read* the guide
[14:58] <federico> sorry
[14:58] <Pici> federico: If the UEC instance is different, then the host keys will not match.
[14:58] <federico> so, what Can I do?
[14:59] <halvors> ok, i will drop the CA
[14:59] <federico> here is my error http://paste.ubuntu.com/427019/
[15:00] <halvors> I have now tested send mail from server work but i can not get email
[15:00] <halvors> ;(
[15:00] <halvors> :'(
[15:01] <federico>  hi, I've installed UEC following the guide in the page. The first time I could run an ubuntu image and login it via ssh. But now I cant, I've this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/427019/
[15:01] <Pici> federico: Either disable strict host key checking for this instance, or not save the public key, or delete it after use. This will do both:  ssh -o UserKnownHostFile=/dev/null -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no user@host
[15:01] <federico> I'll try
[15:02] <halvors> Some ideas about dovecot?? I cant get email :'(
[15:02] <federico> another error: command-line: line 0: Bad configuration option: UserKnownHostFile
  another error: command-line: line 0: Bad configuration option: UserKnownHostFile
[15:04] <Pici> federico: Sorry, its UserKnownHostsFile
[15:04] <halvors> Can someone help me with my email problem?
[15:05] <halvors> I am a noob and i need help:-D
[15:05] <federico> now I have this problem: Permission denied (publickey).
[15:06] <Pici> federico: Well, are you using the -i mykey.priv thay you were using before as well?
[15:06] <federico> mmm, I think I did the comand to get that key again
[15:07] <federico> how can I delete all and get again the keys?
[15:08] <federico> AAA
[15:08] <federico> it works
[15:08] <federico> yeaaa
[15:09] <federico> thank you very much Pici
[15:09] <Pici> federico: you're welcome
[15:09] <TeTeT> soren: has execscript replaced firstboot in vmbuilder on Lucid?
[15:10] <Italian_Plumber> what logs might be kept for me to see if someone is doing a brute force attack on my server?
[15:10] <soren> TeTeT: No.
[15:10] <soren> TeTeT: execscript is a script that runs during build.
[15:11] <hggdh> zul: I am going from oldest to newset
[15:11] <hggdh> newest
[15:11] <zul> cool
[15:11] <TeTeT> soren: so firstboot is gone for good?
[15:12] <hggdh> kirkland: can you signoff on the UEC testing blueprint?
[15:12] <soren> TeTeT: No, it's just...
[15:12] <soren> Um..
[15:12] <kirkland> hggdh: sure
[15:12] <halvors> Somone can help me?
[15:12] <soren> TeTeT: I'm going to do an SRU for VMBUilder to fix a bunch of stuff. firstboot is one of them.
[15:12] <soren> TeTeT: I meant to fix it before release, but then my whole family was sick for two weeks.
[15:13] <TeTeT> soren: sorry to read, hope you are all up and running again!
[15:13] <kirkland> hggdh: done
[15:14] <zul> kirkland: there is a bunch of new eucalyptus bugs can you have a look at them
[15:14] <kirkland> zul: sure
[15:17] <astroboy> I have a problem. I have installed ubuntu 10.04 on my server, and it boots fine, but it seems not to get the network. ifconfig says I've got an ip and everything but every request gives "Temporary failure resolving"
[15:17] <ivoks> soren: did you have time to look at that qemu-only issue?
[15:19] <ivoks> soren: ah, i've just noticed your reply to TeTeT :)
[15:20] <ivoks> soren: all the best to you and your family
[15:20] <astroboy> is there something I can do to test the network in other ways?
[15:21] <lil_cain> astroboy: Is there anything in /etc/resolv.conf?
[15:22] <astroboy> lil_cain: yeah I have the dns servers. I also tried with google dns just to be sure and it doesn't work
[15:23] <lil_cain> can you ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[15:25] <astroboy> lil_cain: "Destination host unreachable"
[15:25] <lil_cain> do you have a route for it?
[15:25] <lil_cain> (is there a default route set in the output of netstat -rn?)
[15:26] <astroboy> lil_cain: what should I run to guess :P
[15:27] <lil_cain> netstat -rn
[15:27] <lil_cain> should print your routing table
[15:27] <lil_cain> you should have a route for <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:27] <astroboy> it just gives a list of possible commands
[15:28] <halvors> I need help with my Ubuntu 10.04 email server, here is my log file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/427048/
[15:28] <lil_cain> You're typing 'netstat -rn' and you're getting a list of commands?
[15:28] <halvors> no
[15:29] <lil_cain> astroboy: try 'route' with no arguments
[15:29] <astroboy> lil_cain: ok
[15:29] <lil_cain> what does it have for <IP_ADDRESS>?
[15:30] <halvors> ??
[15:30] <halvors> ??
[15:30] <halvors> ?
[15:30] <halvors> ?
[15:30] <lil_cain> halvors: sorry, no idea about postfix. I'm an exim person.
[15:30] <halvors> And exim?
[15:30] <halvors> it is easyer than postfix?
[15:30] <lil_cain> depends. It's not the ubuntu default however.
[15:30] <astroboy> lil_cain: this is the result: http://i43.tinypic.com/23m4xlg.png
[15:31] <astroboy> (sorry but I can't copy/paste because I am controlling the server through a java applet...)
[15:31] <lool> Hey folks
[15:31] <lool> Who usually cares for php5 in Ubuntu>
[15:31] <lool> s/>/?
[15:31] <lil_cain> ok, can you ping <IP_ADDRESS>?
[15:31] <halvors> But some other can help me?
[15:32] <astroboy> lil_cain: just a second, the applet is freaking out...
[15:33] <federico> Hi, I've installed UEC and I've running an image, but I can only ping it from the pc which I start it. how Can I do to ping from any pc on the subnet?
[15:35] <lool> zul: Heya
[15:35] <zul> lool: hi
[15:35] <lool> zul: I see you triaged some php5 bugs, who is usually testing/updating php5 in the server team?
[15:35] <stas> hi, I'm trying to install mysql-server on lucid and the process hangs, anyone else had the same issues?
[15:36] <zul> lool: that would be me...you are going to ask about the gallery one right?
[15:36] <lool> stas: I installed it earlier today in a vm, and it worked flawlessly
[15:36] <lool> zul: Yup
[15:36] <lool> zul: I've identified what I think is a fix, albeit I didn't confirm it
[15:36] <zul> lool: the fix is in my one of my ppa
[15:36] <lool> zul: But the analysis of the bug points at the fix as a likely, well, fix
[15:36] <stas> lool: did you use a password for root?
[15:36] <lool> zul: Ah do you had picked it up already?
[15:36] <lool> stas: No
[15:36] <zul> lool: yep
[15:36] <lool> But that's not recommended   :-)
[15:37] <stas> lool: i don't care it just doesn't install
[15:37] <zul> lool: yeah im just have to do the sru
[15:38] <ivoks> stas: you could run the install with debug
[15:38] <astroboy> lil_cain: I can't ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:38] <lil_cain> astroboy: There's your problem. Is that the correct gateway? Or is it firewalled in some way?
[15:38] <ivoks> stas: sudo DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer apt-get install mysql-server
[15:39] <stas> ivoks: let me try, anyway it hangs on `service mysql start|stop`
[15:39] <lool> zul: Ok; do you think you would be able to test a gallery2 install for the SRU stuff?
[15:39] <zul> lool: thats the plan
[15:39] <astroboy> lil_cain: yeah it should be the gateway
[15:39] <Italian_Plumber> wow the default sshd setting for "AllowRootLogin" is "yes"?
[15:39] <lool> zul: Ok thanks; I didn't see myself going through the process another time, it's great that you're taking it care of it all
[15:39] <lool> zul: cheers!
[15:39] <ivoks> Italian_Plumber: yes!
[15:40] <zul> lool: no problem
[15:40] <cclausen> Italian_Plumber: that is a feature, not a bug
[15:40] <astroboy> lil_cain: I have always configured network/interfaces with that gateway (following the instructions of my host) and it worked
[15:40] <cclausen> Italian_Plumber: and isn't it called PermitRootLogin ?
[15:40] <astroboy> using debian
[15:40] <lil_cain> cclausen: It's a lot of things. A feature is not one of them.
[15:40] <ivoks> i had a hard time keeping it 'yes' on one of last UDS
[15:40] <ivoks> :)
[15:41] <lil_cain> astroboy: What is the ip address/netmask of the box?
[15:43] <astroboy> the ip address is <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:43] <Italian_Plumber> well it just seems like the default should be a little more secure.  I supposed this has probably been discussed ad nauseum before.
[15:43] <Italian_Plumber> supposed = suppose
[15:44] <astroboy> lil_cain: and the netmask is <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:45] <stas> ivoks: http://dpaste.com/190351/ it hangs on frontend
[15:45] <lil_cain> astroboy: There's your problem.
[15:45] <lil_cain> your default gateway and IP address cannot be the smae.
[15:45] <astroboy> lil_cain: ?
[15:45] <lil_cain> *same
[15:46] <astroboy> no my gateway ends in 254
[15:46] <astroboy> my ip address in 139
[15:47] <lil_cain> sorry, my bad, misread that. If you can't ping your own interface, there's something badly wrong. Can you ping localhost?
[15:47] <daimoni> hello. is documentation for 10.04 anywhere yet? help.ubuntu.com doesn't have docs for 10.04... more specifically i would like to see how virtualization tools have been advanced since hardy, if 10.04 would be 'good enough' as VPS host instead of RHEL
[15:48] <astroboy> lil_cain:just a sec, I don't know why at some point the applet loses my keyboard and I have to reboot....
[15:50] <federico> Hi, I've installed UEC and I've running an image, but I can only ping it from the pc which I start it. how Can I do to ping from any pc on the subnet?
[15:53] <astroboy> lil_cain: I can ping localhost
[15:55] <daimoni> anyone know when the server documentation is coming?
[15:58] <sommer> daimoni: what do you mean?
[15:59] <daimoni> https://help.ubuntu.com/ <- i mean it's not available here
[15:59] <sommer> daimoni: should be up this week, probably the next day or so
[15:59] <halvors> I wait for it to i need to setup my email server ;)
[15:59] <halvors> ok
[15:59] <astroboy> lil_cain: no ideas? I am really getting desperate lol
[15:59] <sommer> daimoni: the html files are avialable in the ubuntu-serverguide package
[16:00] <pmatulis> halvors: don't think much has changed for mail servers since 9.10
[16:00] <lil_cain> astroboy: Not really. Can you get a screenshot of the output of ifconfig, and sudo iptables -L?
[16:01] <astroboy> sure
[16:02] <daimoni> sommer: haven't installed it yet - just in process to decide wether to use 10.04 or rhel as a VPS host :-)
[16:02] <astroboy> lil_cain: this is ifconfig
[16:02] <astroboy> lil_cain: http://i40.tinypic.com/14dploh.png
[16:03] <astroboy> and apparently I don't have iptables installed :P
[16:03] <sommer> daimoni: not sure there's much in the serverguide that would help you with that decision... I'd doing testing on both and decide after some comparison
[16:04] <sommer> daimoni: that being said I would definitely use Ubuntu :-)
[16:04] <lil_cain> astroboy: no idea then, sorry.
[16:04] <sommer> daimoni: works well for me
[16:04] <daimoni> sommer: well, i'm just investigating how to manage KVM etc, previously used rhel boxes with openvz
[16:05] <daimoni> and since 10.04 is a recent release, it would be quite long-living as a host os
[16:05] <astroboy> lil_cain: where should I look for answers :P?
[16:06] <sommer> I use libvirt which gives you virsh cli tool and from remote hosts I sometimes use virt-manager and virt-viewer
[16:06] <sommer> I only have around 10 VMs though
[16:07] <daimoni> jeos builder scripts look easy at least
[16:07] <pmatulis> daimoni: yes, vmbuilder can get you a slim server vm in under 4 minutes
[16:07] <sommer> ya I use vmbuilder and virt-install to create the images then once they're on the network good old ssh takes over
[16:08] <soren> TeTeT: Yeah, everyone is fine now. It was just really bad timing. :(
[16:09] <daimoni> hm.. documentation doesn't seem to quite explain how to manage cpu resources with kvm though
[16:09] <daimoni> (reading 9.10 docs)
[16:10] <pmatulis> daimoni: don't think there is cpu throttling in kvm yet
[16:10] <daimoni> seems to be so... but if i understood this right, nice and other usual fellows will work with kvm as it doesn't use any custom kernel?-)
[16:10] <daimoni> for setting up priorities etc
[16:11] <failover> daimoni, try #kvm
[16:21] <soren> daimoni: Yeah, anything you can use to throttle a regular user process, you can use to throttle kvm.
[16:21] <soren> daimoni: cgroups, nice... Whatever.
[16:22] <daimoni> yup, that's nice
[16:29] <federico> Hi, I've installed UEC and I've running an image, but I can only ping it from the pc which I start it. how Can I do to ping from any pc on the subnet?
[16:30] <smoser> federico, nothing should limit reaching it to the system which started it.
[16:31] <federico> no, from I started no
[16:31] <federico> from other machine
[16:31] <smoser> if its public IP address is  reachable, then it should be reachable from anywhere. unless you've set up some other vpn or something to that network.
[16:32] <smoser> basically, nothing special is done with public ips
[16:32] <federico> the ip adress is <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:32] <federico> I dont set up nothing else
[16:32] <federico> what can i do?
[16:33] <smoser> i'm sorry, but i dont have any ideas.  there is nothing speical done to the networking that would allow "the pc which i start it" to reach the instance.
[16:33] <smoser> it just relies on "regular" networking, which "should" serve any other systems also
[16:33] <federico> wait
[16:33] <federico> the pc that starts it can ping/ssh
[16:34] <federico> but only that one
[16:34] <federico> I wanna connect it from another pc in the LAN
[16:36] <smoser> federico, right.
[16:36] <smoser> what i'm saying is that nothing special was done to make "the pc that starts it" able to reach it.
[16:37] <smoser> well, via ping at least.  via ssh, you will need access to the private key that the system was launched with from the second system.
[16:38] <federico> I dont understand what I have to do
[16:39] <smoser> for "ping", you shouldnt have to do anything.
[16:39] <federico> but doesnt work
[16:39] <smoser> for ssh, you have to get the private key (that you created with euca-add-keypair) to the other pc, and then tell ssh to use it there.
[16:39] <federico>  but ping doesnt work
[16:39] <smoser> if ping is broken, federico, i'm sorry i don't really have any solutions.
[16:39] <federico> u.u
[16:39] <federico> thank anyway
[16:40] <failover> frederico, tell-me the ip from host and ip from guest !
[16:40] <smoser> its a general networking problem i would think, not much related to the eucalyptus.
[16:41] <federico> I have my NC on <IP_ADDRESS>, CC <IP_ADDRESS>, and I want to access from the <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:41] <federico> the ping only works from the <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:41] <federico> I started the image from there
[16:42] <federico> any idea?
[16:43] <failover> federico, the vm get the ip from where? and who is acting as gw for the vm ?
[16:43] <federico> from the router?
[16:43] <zul> lool: SRU filed
[16:43] <federico> I don't know well
[16:44] <failover> federico: could you check this ?
[16:44] <federico> what?
[16:44] <federico> how do I check
[16:44] <federico> ?
[16:44] <failover> the gw of vm !
[16:45] <federico> gw?, whats that?
[16:45] <failover> gateway
[16:45] <federico> ahh
[16:45] <failover> type route in vm console !
[16:46] <federico> Kernel IP routing table
[16:46] <federico> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[16:46] <federico> <IP_ADDRESS>      *               <IP_ADDRESS> U     0      0        0 eth0
[16:46] <federico> default         <IP_ADDRESS>      <IP_ADDRESS>         UG    100    0        0 eth0
[16:46] <daimoni> 8)
[16:46] <federico> is not configured ?
[16:46] <failover> now do the same in machine <IP_ADDRESS>
[16:47] <federico> Tabla de rutas IP del núcleo
[16:47] <federico> Destino         Pasarela        Genmask         Indic Métric Ref    Uso Interfaz
[16:47] <federico> <IP_ADDRESS>      *               <IP_ADDRESS> U     0      0        0 eth0
[16:47] <federico> <IP_ADDRESS>     *               <IP_ADDRESS>   U     0      0        0 eth0
[16:47] <federico> default         <IP_ADDRESS>     <IP_ADDRESS>         UG    100    0        0 eth0
[16:48] <federico> how can I fix it?
[16:48] <failover> federico, rebuild in VM  the file /etc/network/interfaces to looks like the one in machine <IP_ADDRESS>!
[16:48] <federico> ok, Iwill do that
[16:48] <federico> thank you very much
[16:48] <smoser> federico, thats a hack to do that.
[16:49] <smoser> the guest instances boot and get IP information via dhcp
[16:50] <federico> so?, it's ok if I change the  /etc/network/interfaces in the image?
[16:51] <failover> you could try!
[16:51] <federico> ok
[16:51] <federico> thanks I'm going to lunch right now
[16:51] <federico> thanks again
[16:51] <failover> ok!
[16:56] <lool> zul: Cool thanks
[17:06] <pmatulis> nasty
[17:09] <federico> failover: are you sure that I have to change /etc/network/interfaces in the VM? and not in the pc from I want to access it?
[17:10] <failover> yeap, im sure !
[17:10] <failover> yout VM is getting the network by nat or bridge ?
[17:11] <federico> bridge I suppose
[17:11] <federico> ok, how can I set up that confguration?
[17:12] <failover> i don't now how this work in UEC, sorry...
[17:12] <federico> ok
[17:13] <failover> but try my suggestion, write the interfaces file to looks like the one in .104 machine...
[17:14] <federico> ok
[17:14] <failover> just change the ips and set the correct interface!
[17:14] <failover> keep the same gw, mask, dns etc.
[17:16] <federico> wait, when I enter to the /etc/network/interfaces  there is nothing like that
[17:16] <failover> in .104 or in VM ?
[17:17] <federico> in both
[17:17] <federico> where I can change the route?
[17:17] <VirtualDisaster> route
[17:17] <failover> type ifconfig  in CC, did you see this ip: <IP_ADDRESS> ?
[17:18] <federico> yes
[17:18] <federico> eth0:priv Link encap:Ethernet  direcciónHW 00:24:8c:8c:39:e6
[17:18] <federico>           Direc. inet:<IP_ADDRESS>  Difus.:<IP_ADDRESS>  Másc:<IP_ADDRESS>
[17:18] <federico>           ACTIVO DIFUSIÓN FUNCIONANDO MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Métrica:1
[17:18] <federico>           Interrupción:16
[17:18] <failover> ok, i believe you are using nat
[17:19] <failover> you could try just change the route, but i don't think this will work !
[17:21] <federico> where is that file?
[17:22] <failover> try this: route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:23] <SpamapS> mathiaz: Hi there!
[17:23] <failover>  type route and past the result !
[17:23]  * SpamapS is Clint
[17:23] <mathiaz> SpamapS: hi!
[17:24] <mathiaz> SpamapS: that's an interesting nickname!
[17:24] <federico> ubuntu@172:~$ sudo route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:24] <federico> SIOCADDRT: No such process
[17:24]  * failover is Eastwood !
[17:24] <SpamapS> mathiaz: yes, something left over from high school that I really should change. :)
[17:24] <mathiaz> SpamapS: I thought it was related to email spam at first
[17:25] <federico> failover: it doesn't work
[17:25] <failover> :s
[17:25] <SpamapS> no, email spam is from the dark side of the family.. I'm closer to the cheap lunchmeat. ;)
[17:26] <SpamapS> mathiaz: looking forward to meeting everybody next week. :)
[17:27] <federico> u.u
[17:27] <federico> :(
[17:27] <mathiaz> SpamapS: me too! - it's gonna be an exciting week
[17:27] <federico> failover are you there?
[17:28] <failover> yeap
[17:28] <federico> thanks anyway
[17:28] <failover> try to del de default route first
[17:28] <federico> I'm a noob, how Can I do that?
[17:29] <failover> sudo route del default gw <IP_ADDRESS>  &&  sudo route add default gw <IP_ADDRESS>
[17:29]  * VirtualDisaster thinks someone should read help.ubuntu.com
[17:30] <mathiaz> SpamapS: I can give you some tasters of what we'll talk about next week
[17:31] <areay> hi all... after upgrading from karmic to lucid, autofs no longer reads maps from ldap... i get about 6 errors in my syslog every time i restart autofs. i'm currently installing from scratch to see if that makes any difference... i've checked the release notes for 10.04, and also looked for (but didn't find) a server guide for 10.04, and googled for a solution also... it seems like maybe the ldap syntax has changed in the upgrade f
[17:31] <areay> rom autofs4 to autofs5, or the schema maybe?
[17:31] <mathiaz> SpamapS: I'm doing some research for some of the blueprints we'll be discussing and I wouldn't mind a bit of help for some of them :)
[17:32] <federico> no
[17:32] <federico> thanks
[17:32] <federico> failover
[17:32] <failover> dosen't work ?
[17:33] <federico> the image is not respondig
[17:33] <failover> hum!!
[17:33] <SpamapS> mathiaz: I was just looking through the list actually. Monitoring/Graphing integration is very near and dear to my heart
[17:33] <mathiaz> SpamapS: great - that's one of my idea :)
[17:34] <mathiaz> SpamapS: I've got some ideas about it and how to integrate that in the cloud
[17:34] <failover> federico: this mean that the change happen !
[17:34] <mathiaz> SpamapS: we'll discuss that next week :)
[17:34] <failover> the vm dosen't reply a ping ?
[17:35] <federico> mm, but I've finished it and now I cant login :s
[17:36] <SpamapS> mathiaz: indeed.
[17:36] <federico> no
[17:36] <federico> it doestn
[17:37] <federico> thanks
[17:37] <areay> has anyone else had experience with autofs/ldap when upgrading to lucid?
[17:37] <failover> :s
[17:51] <mathiaz> SpamapS: one thing I'd like to investigate in the monitoring discussion is which open source monitoring framework are available today
[17:51] <mathiaz> SpamapS: ie: have an overview of the monitoring frameworks out-there and which one would be best suited for cloud computing
[17:53] <zul> mathiaz: munin and nagios are already in main ;)
[17:54] <hggdh> re. bug 434799 why was /etc/defaults/ssh support dropped from upstart?
[17:54] <mathiaz> zul: right - it doesn't we should review other packages on a regular basis
[17:55] <mathiaz> zul: right - it doesn't *mean* we should not review other packages on a regular basis
[17:55] <zul> mathiaz: of course not
[18:01] <SpamapS> Those do happen to be my two favorites though. ;)
[18:02] <SpamapS> On a much bigger scale, I'd like to see some revisiting of RRD. It seems so rigid.. seems nearly impossible to migrate between graphing systems.
[18:02] <cjs> Hm. What does it mean when my installer in a KVM, after I approve the disk partitioning, just gives me a blue screen with no dialogue boxes and the kernel says "info: task parted_server:7314 blocked for more than 120 seconds"? Also, I got "buffer IO error on device vda".
[18:03] <cjs> (This is a 10.04 64-bit server install.)
[18:03] <Theravadan> any major issues going from 8.04LTS to 10.04LTS?
[18:03] <sbeattie> hggdh: I've seen it claimed that /etc/default/ shouldn't be used and that options should be added to /etc/init/ conf files directly.
[18:03] <sbeattie> hggdh: I don't agree with this, but it's what I've seen claimed.
[18:04] <pmatulis> cjs: what are you installing?
[18:04] <cjs> Ubuntu 10.04 server (64-bit).
[18:04] <sbeattie> hggdh: cjwatson is the person who does primary maintenance of our openssh package, so you may wish to ask him.
[18:05] <Hypnoz> Theravadan: That is a great question, I had considered testing that today. What would be your method of doing that upgrade?
[18:05] <axisys> i like my windows users to connect to our network.. what is a good vpn tool that would make it simple? i am guessing as far as the server openvpn is the way to go?
[18:05] <Hypnoz> Theravadan: I would think maybe copy the sources.list, and run "apt-get dist-upgrade"
[18:05] <pmatulis> cjs: what other load does the host have?
[18:05] <cjs> Hm. The sector is of the error is very close to the end of the disk. (I don't know how close exactly.)
[18:05] <cjs> pmatulis: Pretty much nothing. There's another kvm running, more or less idle, and the host itself is pretty much idle.
[18:06] <sbeattie> Hypnoz|Theravadan: no! please use do-release-upgrade for upgrading server installs.
[18:06] <pmatulis> cjs: any LVM stuff?
[18:06] <cjs> The disk device the kvm is using is an LVM partition that is then encrypted.
[18:06] <Hypnoz> sbeattie: can I have do-release-upgrade do the whole upgrade without prompting me?
[18:06] <cjs> (The other kvm is using exactly the same thing, except the partition is 50 GB instead of 1.7 TB.)
[18:06] <Hypnoz> sbeattie: I would be upgrading a lot of servers at once
[18:07] <pmatulis> cjs: can you try a smaller partition?  to test
[18:07] <cclausen> Theravadan: if you are running PHP, a lot of things do not work with PHP 5.3 yet, otherwise I upgraded from 8.04 on several systems without other problems (so far)
[18:07] <cjs> pmatulis: I have done this with a 50 GB partition, which worked fine. How much smaller should my new partition be?
[18:07] <sbeattie> Hypnoz: I *think* do-release-upgrade --frontend=noninteractive is what you want.
[18:07] <hggdh> sbeattie: thanks
[18:08] <Hypnoz> sbeattie: that might just press enter to all the defaults during prompts?
[18:08] <pmatulis> cjs: depends how much you want to test and help out
[18:08] <cjs> Well, I've got some spare time. What's the overall plan to test this?
[18:08] <Hypnoz> sbeattie: also, do we have to download and install do-release-upgrade from a website? I don't see it in apt
[18:09] <sbeattie> Hypnoz: do-release-upgrade is part of the update-manager-core package, it should already be present.
[18:10] <Theravadan> cclausen, thx, i dont use PHP so I feel better
[18:10] <pmatulis> cjs: if it's a size issue then increasing to 500 GB could be a next test.  then go to 1 TB.  come back down if you hit the snag.  we're looking for some magic size where it might consistently barf
[18:11] <halvors> What could i do about this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/427126/
[18:11] <Hypnoz> sbeattie: ah you're right. I can't "man" it
[18:11] <cjs> pmatulis: Ok.
[18:12] <pmatulis> cjs: maybe also stay with 1.7 TB but w/o LVM.  to see if LVM is always involved
[18:12] <cjs> I can't go without LVM; that 1.7 TB is carved out of an LVM partition.
[18:12]  * pmatulis nods
[18:12] <cjs> But wait: are you talking LVM on the host or on the KVM machine?
[18:12] <sbeattie> Hypnoz: presumably because the manpage is provided by the update-manager package, which isn't installed on servers. :-(
[18:13] <pmatulis> cjs: on the guest
[18:15] <Hypnoz> sbeattie: do you think do-release-upgrade is the same as "update-manager --dist-upgrade" ?
[18:16] <cjs> pmatulis: Oh, I wasn't using LVM on the guest.
[18:16] <cjs> Though, hmmm, let me give it a quick try and see what happens.
[18:21] <cjs> Well, LVM on the guest has the same problem, except that the error is much earlier on the disk: about 215 MB in from the start.
[18:23] <halvors> My Postfix does not work i have 5950 customers in the que =-O Here is my log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/427126/
[18:23] <Theravadan> how does ubuntu server handle say postgres upgrades? Does it do an auto dump/restore or does it simply just no upgrade from say 8.3 to 8.4 unless you tell it to do so
[18:24] <ivoks> halvors: what did you do?
[18:24] <sbeattie> Hypnoz: do-release-upgrade is the cli equivalent of update-manager --dist-upgrade, yes.
[18:25] <ivoks> halvors: run newaliases
[18:27] <sbeattie> Theravadan: it leaves both postgresql 8.3 and 8.4 installed, and tells you to uninstall the 8.3 packages after you've converted your databases, IIRC>
[18:27] <halvors> is the run newaliases in terminal
[18:29] <Mkools> Is there a way that we can check clashing of ports between tomcat and other servers like dhcp and dns.
[18:29] <halvors> I have some problems with TLS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/427140/
[18:29] <halvors> On postfix
[18:29] <ivoks> halvors: you have 5000+ clients in postfix and you don't know what newaliases are?
[18:30] <ivoks> halvors: postfix is chrooted, it can not read files outside of /var/spool/postfix
[18:30] <cclausen> ivoks: I think he means he has ~6000 queued emails
[18:30] <ivoks> oh
[18:30] <ivoks> halvors: restart postfix
[18:31] <ivoks> if /etc/ssl/private/smtpd.key exists
[18:31] <ivoks> exists
[18:33] <Theravadan> sbeattie, thx
[18:41] <halvors> I could edit the master.cf and edit postfix to not make chroot?
[18:41] <ivoks> don't do that
[18:41] <ivoks> just restart postfix
[18:44] <kirkland> smoser:
[18:44] <kirkland> smoser: ping
[18:44] <cjs> pmatulis: Sorry about taking so long; getting set up to do installs easily took a bit of time. Anyway, a 550GB "disk" works fine.
[18:45] <cjs> pmatulis: As does 1024GB.
[18:46] <cjs> Though the installer calls that "1.1TB".
[18:49] <cjs> pmatulis: 1532GB has the problem. Thoughts?
[18:49] <smoser> kirkland, here
[18:50] <kirkland> smoser: found it; nevermind
[18:52] <zul> hggdh: PING
[18:52] <hggdh> zul: consider yourself ponged ;-)
[18:52] <hggdh> or PONGED?
[18:53] <zul> hggdh: can you nominate #572262 for lucid for me, i seem to have lost that ability.
[18:53] <smoser> bug 572262
[18:53] <hggdh> zul: doing it now
[18:53] <zul> hggdh: thnaks
[18:54] <hggdh> zul, done. You *should* be able to... weird
[18:54] <zul> hggdh: yeah i know
[18:54] <zul> hggdh: thanks
[19:01] <halvors> Now i have restarted postfix noting happend
[19:01] <halvors> same error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/427140/
[19:02] <halvors> ? :-D
[19:02] <ivoks> halvors: does the file exist?
[19:02] <ivoks> /etc/ssl/private/smtpd.key
[19:07] <halvors> i check wait ;)
[19:09] <halvors> yes it exist
[19:10] <ivoks> is it a certificate key?
[19:10] <ivoks> is it readable by root?
[19:10] <cjs> pmatulis: I found the problem: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2933400&group_id=180599&atid=893831
[19:11] <cjs> It would probably be a good idea to warn people not to use virtio with kvm in 10.4.
[19:11] <halvors> Wait, i hav enot created it by the totourial: https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/certificates-and-security.html, it may be from a older thing
[19:12] <halvors> so how could i regenerate it?
[19:14] <zul> lool: can you test the php package in proposed when it becomes available
[19:15] <ivoks> halvors: i didn't undestand you
[19:16] <ivoks> understand
[19:17] <lool> zul: Well that's what I was asking about earlier
[19:17] <lool> I'm not too excited about reinstalling gallery2
[19:17] <zul> k
[19:17] <lool> zul: But if there's no other choice, I will do it
[19:17] <zul> thanks
[19:17] <lool> things are a bit packed with UDS preps too
[19:17] <zul> lool: thats fine...priorities ;)
[19:21] <ttx> mathiaz: yo
[19:21] <mathiaz> ttx: o/
[19:21] <halvors> What do you nt understand?
[19:22] <ivoks> halvors: you didn't set up certificates?
[19:23] <smoser> hggdh, what are you and the dc cloud up to these days ?
[19:23] <ivoks> halvors: if you didn't, stop talking and create certificates :)
[19:24] <smoser> i'd like to run some tests in the setup where you saw the most errors and see if we can't improve some of it.
[19:24] <hggdh> smoser: right now it is idling...
[19:25] <smoser> ttx, ping.
[19:25] <hggdh> smoser: usually topo2 will give out the errors
[19:25] <halvors> I done all thing in this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/serverguide/C/certificates-and-security.html, but the postfix main.cf file need smtpd.key, but i have not generated it in the guide
[19:25] <smoser> hggdh, could i hvae it put into topo2 then ?
[19:25] <ttx> smoser: yo
[19:25] <hggdh> smoser: let me check, I think it is already there (due to the -proposed tests
[19:26] <smoser> ttx, what bug was it that cjwatson was seeing with plymouth ?do  you know ?
[19:26] <smoser> i'm hoping that might explain some of our errors.
[19:26] <ivoks> halvors: you do know what private key is?
[19:26] <ttx> smoser: it's one of hggdh's
[19:27] <smoser> ttx, bug 567592
[19:27] <ivoks> halvors: to make things short; you probably call it /etc/ssl/private/server.key
[19:27] <halvors> I know it is someting to authenticate clients for th email server ;)
[19:28] <hggdh> yes. I was wondering about it also, smoser
[19:28] <ivoks> halvors: and certificate is, probably, /etc/ssl/certs/server.crt
[19:28] <hggdh> smoser: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/427168/ it is already in topo2, and running
[19:28] <ivoks> halvors: if you want smtp/imap/pop with ssl, install dovecot-postfix package
[19:28] <smoser> hggdh, ok. and where is the best version of the test suite ?
[19:28] <ivoks> halvors: it will set up everything for you
[19:28] <ttx> smoser: checking
[19:29] <halvors> i have installed it
[19:29] <halvors> dovecot postfix also
[19:29] <hggdh> smoser: heh. the one under my login will work fine. I will tar it up, then you just untar it
[19:29] <ivoks> dovecot-postfix is the name of package
[19:29] <ttx> smoser: yep
[19:29] <halvors> yes
[19:29] <halvors> i have it installed
[19:30] <smoser> hggdh, k
[19:31] <halvors> So should i delete all the crt and key files and make new
[19:31] <halvors> ?
[19:31] <ivoks> halvors: no
[19:31] <ivoks> halvors: just copy server.key to /etc/ssl/private/mail.key
[19:31] <hggdh> smoser: sorry, it is all ready to use -- you will have to login as 'ubuntu' on cempedak
[19:31] <ivoks> halvors: and server.crt to /etc/ssl/certs/mail.crt
[19:32] <halvors> Are the ok for you to get my ssh login and do it for me?
[19:32] <hggdh> smoser: then cd uec-testing-scripts, and play with it
[19:32] <halvors> i are confused now :-X
[19:32] <cjs> What's the ubuntu developers channel called?
[19:32] <ivoks> halvors: sudo cp /etc/ssl/private/server.key /etc/ssl/private/mail.key
[19:32] <halvors> smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/private/smtpd.key
[19:32] <halvors> smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/certs/smtpd.crt
[19:32] <halvors> smtpd_tls_CAfile = /etc/ssl/certs/cacert.pem
[19:33] <halvors> postfix main.cf
[19:33] <ivoks> halvors: sudo cp /etc/ssl/certs/server.crt /etc/ssl/certs/mail.crt
[19:33] <ivoks> halvors: dovecot-postfix didn't do that
[19:33] <halvors> ok, but i think i have to reinstall the package dovecot postfix
[19:33] <ivoks> no, you don't have to
[19:33] <ivoks> look
[19:33] <ivoks> there are two files
[19:34] <ivoks> one is key file
[19:34] <ivoks> the other is certificate file
[19:34] <ivoks> key file is names .key, while certificate is named .crt
[19:34] <halvors> but i did not undrestand postfix call these files
[19:34] <halvors> smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/private/smtpd.key
[19:34] <halvors> smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/certs/smtpd.crt
[19:34] <halvors> smtpd_tls_CAfile = /etc/ssl/certs/cacert.pem
[19:34] <ivoks> you created those
[19:34] <ivoks> halvors: so, change those lines
[19:35] <halvors> Do you have a ssh client installed?
[19:35] <ivoks> i won't ssh to you machine :)
[19:35] <halvors> you can get ssh login details
[19:35] <halvors> whay?
[19:35] <ivoks> i created dovecot-postfix just for guys like you :)
[19:35] <ivoks> you just had to install it and that's it
[19:35] <cloakable> :)
[19:36] <cloakable> ivoks: Any chance of a postfix-amavis package? ;)
[19:36] <ivoks> cloakable: there's amavis-postfix patch
[19:36] <ivoks> cloakable: it will be in 10.10
[19:36] <halvors> can i get your email for later problems if you created dovecot-postfix you're expert
[19:36] <ivoks> halvors: i can help you over IRC
[19:37] <wack47> having some problems installing mysql and php5 properly on my server. I get this error http://pastebin.com/5VQpdyqf when i try to install mysql-server
[19:37] <ivoks> halvors: but if you want, i could sell you support :)
[19:37] <ivoks> bah...
[19:37] <ivoks> halvors: give me ssh access
[19:37] <halvors> Ok, but i will send you private email not over the IRC
[19:38] <halvors> i dont want all to know my passwords :S
[19:38] <ivoks><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[19:38] <cloakable> ivoks: awesome :)
[19:38] <wack47> lol why not over halvors?
[19:38] <wack47> lol
[19:38] <ivoks> cloakable: bug 524341
[19:39] <penguin42> anyone tried the iscsi target mode on lucid server? I'm getting 'The length of the target name is zero'
[19:39] <halvors> mail sent to you ivoks ;)
[19:40] <halvors> maybe i should reinstall my server and take all from scrath
[19:40] <halvors> ?
[19:40] <ivoks> lol
[19:40] <ivoks> no
[19:40]  * penguin42 also hasn't quite figured out if the ubuntu built iscsi_trgt is the same module that would be built by iscsitarget-source
[19:40] <halvors> Do you got the email ivoks
[19:40] <halvors> ?
[19:41] <halvors> Do you got logged in to ssh?
[19:41] <ivoks> halvors: i got email
[19:41] <halvors> ok and you got logged in=
[19:41] <halvors> ?
[19:42] <halvors> do you need webmin loggin and webmail for test?
[19:42] <ivoks> yay, i'm root :)
[19:42] <halvors> yes
[19:42] <halvors> you are
[19:42] <RoyK> !webmin
[19:43] <cloakable> !ebox
[19:43] <halvors> can ebox administrate domain?
[19:43] <halvors> like webmin?
[19:43] <RoyK> halvors: try it :)
[19:44] <RoyK> halvors: also, using the commandline is rather neat when you get into it :þ
[19:44] <ivoks> use ispconfig for that
[19:44] <halvors> i cant try on my server it need testing first
[19:44] <RoyK> halvors: use a VM
[19:44] <halvors> ivoks do vm?
[19:44] <halvors> sry
[19:44] <halvors> i mean use VM, what is it?
[19:44] <RoyK>  virtual machine
[19:44] <RoyK> use kvm or xen or virtualbox or something
[19:45] <halvors> ivoks, do you got logged in?
[19:45] <RoyK> vbox is trivial to setup
[19:45] <ivoks> halvors: there, solved
[19:45] <ivoks> halvors: send an email now
[19:45]  * RoyK hands ivoks a few rootkits
[19:45] <oru_work> how can i check which version of clamav i have installed ?
[19:45] <halvors> ok
[19:45] <ivoks> RoyK: already implemented :)
[19:45] <halvors> wait a little bit
[19:45] <RoyK> ivoks: :)
[19:46] <ivoks> argh...
[19:47] <wack47> anyone know about mysql/php5?  I get this error http://pastebin.com/5VQpdyqf when i try to install mysql-server
[19:47] <halvors> i got these errors instead: http://paste.ubuntu.com/427180/
[19:47] <ivoks> halvors: try now
[19:47] <halvors> so sorry ivoks it does not work :(
[19:48] <ivoks> as i said
[19:48] <ivoks> try now
[19:48] <halvors> ok
[19:48] <ivoks> you don't have to paste logs; i'm on your server, remember? :)
[19:48] <wack47> lol
[19:49] <RoyK> wack47: did you pastebin "No apport report written because MaxReports is reached already stalled."?
[19:49] <halvors> the email comes to my other email but i cant get email from other.
[19:49] <RoyK> wack47: no, did you google it?
[19:49] <halvors> do you got som errors now?
[19:49] <halvors> ok, i should not past logs more ;)
[19:50] <ivoks> halvors: you're from norway?
[19:50] <wack47> Royk: I have tried googling a couple things, but not really getting anywhere with it
[19:50] <RoyK> wack47: there are a few bugs listed with that error message
[19:50]  * RoyK thinks halvors is from .no
[19:50] <ivoks> halvors: anyway, tls on smtp is working
[19:50] <halvors> Yes, how do you know that?
[19:51] <RoyK> halvors: nextgentel doesn't have much customers outside norway :þ
[19:51] <ivoks> halvors: do you have friends that like to paddle? :)
[19:51] <ScottK> oru_work: dpkg -l clamav
[19:51] <ivoks> halvors: kayaks and stuff
[19:51] <ScottK> ivoks: I'm glad you clarified.
[19:51] <halvors> Yes someone ;)
[19:51] <ivoks> ScottK: eh?
[19:52] <halvors> but i didn't do that myself ;)
[19:52] <ScottK> ivoks: Paddle has more than one meaning in English.
[19:52] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, ping?
[19:52] <ivoks> oh :)
[19:52] <wack47> Royk: see that after googling that specific phrase, was focused more on searching "mysql not installing". Guess my vision was to narrow on the situation
[19:52] <oru_work> is it a good idea to do apt-get upgrade every so often ?
[19:52] <halvors> were are you from ivoks?
[19:52] <ivoks> halvors: so, now that i helped you
[19:52] <ScottK> oru_work: Generally yes.
[19:52] <ivoks> halvors: you could at least point your friends to www.jamming-adventures.com :)
[19:52] <RoyK> wack47: mysql not installing is quite a broad thing to google
[19:53] <zul> ivoks: meh
[19:53] <ivoks> zul: :D
[19:53] <halvors> thanks, can i recive mail to and send from evolution?
[19:53] <wack47> yes i agree, i was beeing more specific, but yeah nm lol
[19:53] <ivoks> halvors: you should be able to, try
[19:54] <halvors> ok ;)
[19:54] <halvors> i will try now
[19:54] <halvors> no i cant recive email using squirrelmail ;(
[19:55] <halvors> :'(
[19:55] <ivoks> you installed dovecot-postfix
[19:55] <halvors> In the log before dovecot was killed by signal 15
[19:55] <halvors> yes
[19:55] <RoyK> halvors: wierd - it also uses imap - or did you use pop from evolution and delete the messages?
[19:55] <ivoks> and then changed almost everything that package setup
[19:55] <halvors> yes, maybe :(
[19:56] <ivoks> why?
[19:56] <RoyK> halvors: Do Not Use POP3
[19:56] <RoyK> it's a PoS
[19:56] <halvors> in desperatly try to get things work and create new sertvicates (i understand it does not work to do i again)
[19:56] <penguin42> ooh iscsi working - I've got one kvm guest u-s lucid installing over iscsi to an lvm lv on another kvm guest running on an lvm lv on my host :-)
[19:57] <ivoks> wwwwwwwwww
[19:57] <ivoks> that's webmin?
[19:57] <ivoks> you are on your own
[19:57] <halvors> i not understand, "you are on your own" what do you mean?
[19:57] <oru_work> penguin42, cool
[19:58] <halvors> and what abotu wwwwwwwww
[19:58] <RoyK> halvors: det betyr at du ikke får mer hjelp
[19:58] <qman__> !webmin | halvors
[19:58] <oru_work> halvors, that means he refuses to help anymore
[19:58] <halvors> ok
[19:58] <halvors> i understand
[19:58] <penguin42> oru_work: I don't think I have a way of booting from iscsi yet though!
[19:59] <halvors> RoyK er du norsk?
[19:59] <RoyK> halvors: use supported software - otherwise "you're on your own", and yes, I'm Norwegian :)
[19:59] <ivoks> sigh...
[19:59] <halvors> but i only followed the guide on help.ubuntu.com
[19:59] <ivoks> any reasons to use procmail?
[19:59] <RoyK> ivoks: not really - sieve is better
[19:59] <halvors> it was in the guide i followed
[20:00] <ivoks> RoyK: i know, i was asking halvors :)
[20:00] <ivoks> RoyK: i'd say lda is even better :)
[20:00] <RoyK> halvors: it doesn't take too much to learn the commandline, and you'll have far more control that way
[20:00] <RoyK> !lda
[20:01] <RoyK> hm. what's lda?
[20:01] <ivoks> RoyK: dovecot's delivery agent
[20:01] <oru_work> penguin42, what kind of host ?
[20:02] <penguin42> oru_work: core i7 lucid 64 host
[20:02] <RoyK> ivoks: ok - thought dovecot also used sieve
[20:02] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: yo
[20:02] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, howdy!! http://me.roaksoax.com/testdrive.png
[20:02] <ivoks> RoyK: right, as a plugin for lda
[20:02] <RoyK> ic
[20:02]  * RoyK pats his zimbra VM
[20:02] <oru_work> penguin42, nice. I thought you were talking about virtual host initally that's why I thought it was kind of impossible
[20:03] <ivoks> halvors: did you kill connection to the server?
[20:03] <penguin42> oru_work: anyway, time to go - challenge for next week is to set up a netboot - so it can boot into the iscsi install!
[20:03] <halvors> no
[20:03] <oru_work> penguin42, ok good luck
[20:03] <RoyK> ivoks: probably your rootkit kicking in :D
[20:04] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: looks okay;  you don't prefer the wizard approach?
[20:04] <halvors> ivoks do you lost connection?
[20:04] <halvors> try to reconnect
[20:05] <halvors> ivoks, who guide should i follow for setup a working emailserver?
[20:05] <ivoks> halvors: this one: sudo apt-get install dovecot-postfix
[20:06] <ivoks> halvors: there, i've fixed your setup
[20:06] <ivoks> halvors: try now
[20:06] <halvors> will it do all postfix configuration
[20:06] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, I do like it too, though I was kinda thinking to use that for  *Other*. Either way, we can discuss that during UDS. Or probably, first version of testdrive-gtk can be my approach, and second version can be your approach. Concentraiting in coding first version fro GSoC, and second version for future releases
[20:06] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: okay
[20:07] <hggdh> ttx, kirkland please have a loog at bug 574665
[20:07] <halvors> now webmail works fine, thanks ivoks, i wil check from thunderbird now wait a little bit ;)
[20:08] <ivoks> halvors: don't forget... www.jamming-adventures.com :)
[20:08] <ivoks> ccc
[20:08] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, or probably, the wizard approach can be used for initial/later configuration of which ISO's to list
[20:09] <ivoks> halvors: you have to use SSL for pop3/imap
[20:09] <halvors> Yes should tell it to my friends ;)
[20:09] <halvors> ok
[20:09] <ivoks> halvors: dovecot-postfix doesn't allow cleartext passwords
[20:09] <ivoks> over cleartext protocol
[20:09] <halvors> ok
[20:09] <halvors> but all are fixed now or?
[20:10] <ivoks> pop3-login: Disconnected (tried to use disabled plaintext auth)
[20:10] <ivoks> ")
[20:10] <RoyK> just disable pop4
[20:10] <RoyK> pop3, even
[20:10] <halvors> SSL/TLS
[20:10] <RoyK> pop3 is evil
[20:10] <halvors> right?
[20:10] <ivoks> SSL
[20:10] <RoyK> not TLS?
[20:11] <halvors> STARTTLS
[20:11] <halvors> None
[20:11] <halvors> it are all options in thunderbird
[20:11] <ivoks> what port are you connecting to?
[20:11] <RoyK> halvors: use imap, not pop3
[20:12] <RoyK> imap is a decent protocol, pop3 is not
[20:12] <halvors> whay?
[20:12] <RoyK> pop3 was designed _after_ imap, just to get something that was simpler to implement
[20:12] <RoyK> just beleive me, please
[20:12] <RoyK> it'll take some time to describe the protocol differences
[20:13] <ivoks> hm...
[20:13] <halvors> ivoks, i get password failure
[20:13] <halvors> cant understand :(
[20:13] <ivoks> there you go
[20:14] <halvors> now it works ;)
[20:14] <halvors> but what was it you done?
[20:14] <RoyK> halvors: tried with imap?
[20:15] <RoyK> halvors: to put it short - with imap you connect to your mailbox, whereas with pop3 you download each message, which is ugly
[20:15] <ivoks> halvors: i've fixed your postfix's configuration
[20:16] <RoyK> what's this about lucid moving things out of /etc/rc*.d?
[20:16] <halvors> I only will know if i need to setup a new server, so i dont need to ask here
[20:16] <RoyK> I don't really see the point in that
[20:16] <halvors> Install dovecot-postfix, it is only that?
[20:17] <halvors>  or more?
[20:17] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: true
[20:17] <halvors> and i is behind a NAT :(
[20:18] <halvors> who ports need to be forwerded for my email server?
[20:18] <halvors> ivoks?
[20:18] <RoyK> halvors: fix the nat router to forward in or use something on the outside with fetchmail
[20:18] <RoyK> halvors: port 25 is smtp, but most ISPs block that, and I guess nextgentel is one of them
[20:18] <halvors> port 25 works, but i think about ssl
[20:19] <halvors> 993 is imap?
[20:19] <RoyK> !smtps
[20:19] <ivoks> 25, 110, 143, 993 and 995
[20:19] <halvors> ok
[20:19] <jrwren> what about the submission port?
[20:19] <jrwren> 587
[20:20] <halvors> but ivoks, now i use webmin (who is not suported), to manage domains, can ispconfig do all the same?
[20:20] <halvors>  or
[20:20] <halvors> need i 587 too?
[20:20] <ivoks> keep using what you are using now
[20:20] <ivoks> cause you can't do migration your self
[20:20] <ivoks> and nobody would help you with that for free :)
[20:21] <RoyK> halvors: read the ubuntu admin guide
[20:21] <RoyK> there's a lot of nice stuff in there
[20:21] <halvors> but ivoks, can you tell me what i need to do for setup the mailserver i have now? Maybe i should setup one new a day =)
[20:22] <RoyK> halvors: it starts with an R and is followed by T and F and ends with M
[20:22] <halvors> but i cant use webmin if it is not suported by the system
[20:22] <ivoks> i'm tired
[20:22] <RoyK> halvors: les manualen - les mer om systemet - les og les
[20:22] <halvors> ok
[20:22] <halvors> i understand
[20:23] <ivoks> just keep it as it is
[20:23] <halvors> yes yes
[20:23] <halvors> i will
[20:23] <ivoks> you can't easily transform from webmin to ispconfig
[20:23] <RoyK> ivoks: got a root account for me on his box? :D
[20:23] <ivoks> ispconfig uses databases
[20:23] <ISBB> afternooon all
[20:23] <ivoks> RoyK: :)
[20:23] <ISBB> anyone got a download link for 8.0.4LTS
[20:23] <ivoks> www.ubuntu.com?
[20:23]  * RoyK is curious to play with dd and urandom and stuff
[20:23] <ISBB> will only let me download 10 now
[20:23] <ISBB> 2 days ago i could
[20:24] <halvors> but maybe i need to know how to setup a emailserver a other day
[20:24] <RoyK> halvors: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/index.html
[20:24] <ivoks> http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[20:24] <halvors> do you have some good goude i can read?
[20:24] <RoyK> halvors: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/index.html
[20:24] <incorrect> hi, who is a good ubuntu VPS provider in the USA?
[20:25] <jpds> incorrect: Linode?
[20:25] <soren> incorrect: Rackspace.
[20:25] <incorrect> thanks jpds
[20:25]  * jpds hugs soren.
[20:25] <incorrect> aren't rackspace uber $$
[20:25] <soren> 1.5 cent per hour.
[20:25] <ISBB> perect thks ivoks
[20:25] <halvors> And ivoks, thanks, for the good help! And i will tell my friends about www.jamming-adventures.com ;)
[20:25] <soren> That's about $11 a month.
[20:26] <soren> For 256 MB RAM, 10 GB space.
[20:27] <zul> heh
[20:27] <ivoks> 'night
[20:27] <incorrect> i would like to find a vps, firstly for rsync'ing backups, secondly to run small websites
[20:27] <soren> 4 cores in the 2.5GHz-ish class. If noone else on the physical host are doing anything, you can pound like crazy.
[20:27] <ivoks> http://fghaas.wordpress.com/2010/05/03/ubuntu-10-04-with-full-cluster-stack-support/
[20:27] <ivoks> i'm famous :D
[20:28] <jrwren> that is not a lot of ram.
[20:28] <soren> jrwren: You can go up to 16 GB if you want.
[20:28] <soren> ...and want to pay.
[20:29] <RoyK> what's the diff between pacemaker and heartbeat?
[20:29] <oru_work> i need some help with clamav, not sure why it won't upgrade to the latest version with apt-get upgrade
[20:30] <ScottK> oru_work: What Ubuntu release are you on?
[20:30] <ivoks> RoyK: heartbeat is gone
[20:30] <ivoks> RoyK: pacemaker is new generation cluster stack
[20:30] <oru_work> ScottK, 9.10
[20:31] <RoyK> ivoks: even for dual setups with drbd?
[20:31] <ScottK> oru_work: We didn't package clamav 0.96 for 9.10 yet.  I've got a few bugs to work out with 10.04 first.
[20:31] <ivoks> RoyK: it uses parts of old heartbeat (<3), but it can use new hearbeat (3) as a messaging layer
[20:31] <ivoks> RoyK: yep
[20:31] <RoyK> ok
[20:31] <RoyK> gotta look into htat
[20:31] <RoyK> that
[20:31] <ivoks> RoyK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClusterStack/LucidTesting
[20:31] <ivoks> that should be a good start
[20:32] <oru_work> ScottK, are you one of the developers of clamav?
[20:32] <ivoks> tv time...
[20:32] <ivoks> by all
[20:32] <ScottK> oru_work: The 0.95.3 version available through karmic-updates and karmic-security includes all the security fixes released with 0.96.
[20:32] <soren> jrwren: Basically, they're quad core boxes, 64 GB of RAM, and 640 GB of hard drive space. All of that will cost you $0.96/hour. You can choose a fraction (1/(2^X) where X is an integer between 0 and 6) of a server, and the price is reduced accordingly.
[20:32] <incorrect> damn, why do vps providers give you such a small amount of disk space
[20:32] <ScottK> oru_work: No, but I'm the primary packager of it for Ubuntu.
[20:33] <soren> incorrect: How much do you need?
[20:33] <oru_work> ScottK, not sure what you mean by The 0.95.3 version available through karmic-updates and karmic-security
[20:33] <incorrect> soren, ideally around 50gb
[20:34] <ScottK> oru_work: There are updates available in those repositories (they are enabled by default so you should have them already) that fix some security issues in the packages.
[20:35] <nxvl> mathiaz: is this what we were discussing for GSoC? https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-maverick-puppet-bootstrap
[20:35] <oru_work> ScottK, look http://pastebin.org/199735
[20:36] <ScottK> oru_work: Yes.  That's the version with the fixes in it.  It's the latest available for 9.10.
[20:37] <oru_work> ScottK, so if I upgrade to 10.04 it will not give me that warning anymore ?
[20:38] <ScottK> oru_work: It won't, but if that's the only reason you're updating, I'd recommend waiting.
[20:39] <oru_work> ScottK, you know that about 2 weeks ago i came to work and there were no new emails in anyone's mailbox
[20:39] <incorrect> hmm i guess i should upgrade my firewall
[20:39] <oru_work> ScottK, do you know the reason why ?
[20:40] <ScottK> oru_work: If you were on an older release and hadn't installed updates, you might have had clamav 0.94 that upstream remotely disabled on April 15.
[20:40] <ScottK> There were updates available for all currently supported Ubuntu releases well prior to that, so if you'd installed all updates, that won't be it.
[20:40] <oru_work>  exactly. I panicked
[20:41] <oru_work> i didn't install any updates since i installed it
[20:41] <incorrect> anyone else noticed that http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading says upgrading to 9.10 in the title?
[20:41] <oru_work> i believe i now have cron checking hourly for updates
[20:41] <ScottK> oru_work: You should install the updates in -security and -upates.  Those are tested and supported.  Updating is never risk free, but not updating has it's risks too.
[20:42] <ScottK> upates/updates
[20:43] <jpds> incorrect: That is incorrect.
[20:44] <jpds> incorrect: Nah, only joking, it's been fixed.
[20:44] <oru_work> ScottK, i have this entry in crontab -e 0 * * * * /usr/bin/freshclam
[20:44] <oru_work> ScottK, is it good / correct ?
[20:45] <Kaprenakis> What is the best web-based system configuration tool?
[20:45] <incorrect> jpds, i always find one mistake on the website after a release, last time i think i pointed out everything was still 9.04 :D
[20:45] <ScottK> oru_work: You shouldn't need to make any crontab entries for freshclam.  The way it works by default is to check for siganture updates every hour.
[20:45] <oru_work> ScottK, so are you telling me that virus definition files / database is updating anyhow ?
[20:46] <ScottK> oru_work: Should be.  You can confirm this in the freshclam log in /var/log/clamav.
[20:47] <oru_work> ScottK, nice
[20:48] <incorrect> right, now, will my firewall upgrade without anything breaking? place your bets now
[20:49] <oru_work> ScottK, do you mind looking at this really quickly? one of my sales guy fwded this email to me, i never actually believe these. I still think that its a bunch of BS http://pastebin.org/199756
[20:51] <ScottK> oru_work: There is always a virus coming and if you use an operating system that is predictably vulnerable to them, then you should always be concerned.  I've seen hallmark.com mails forged before to hide a virus payload, so it wouldn't be suprising.  That said, such specific emails are either in my experience either hoaxes or years old already.
[20:51] <Kaprenakis> Does anyone what the best web-based system configuration tool is for ubuntu server?
[20:52] <ScottK> The general recommendation seems to be for ebox, but I don't use one, so I don't know.
[20:54] <smoser> hggdh, piung
[20:54] <smoser> ping
[20:54] <ScottK> soren: Are you going to UDS after all (I saw you put some specs in)?
[20:54] <smoser> i ran an instance on cempadek, but can't reach it via ssh
[20:54] <soren> ScottK: Sure am.
[20:54] <ScottK> Ah, good.  I should see you there then.
[20:54] <Kaprenakis> is webmin a good web-based system configuration tool?
[20:54] <ScottK> No.
[20:55] <Kaprenakis> ScottK: are you answering my question? Do you have any other suggestions?
[20:55] <lil_cain> !ebox
[20:55] <ScottK> At least it's the only web based admin tool I've every had to help people fix their postfix config with because the web thing ate it.
[21:00] <Kaprenakis> ScottK: So its better to go with something like ebox than webmin.
[21:00] <ScottK> Kaprenakis: As I said, I don't know because I don't use one, but that's what I seem to see people mostly saying here.
[21:01] <smoser> hggdh, help ?
[21:06] <hggdh> smoser: of course, what can I do for you?
[21:07] <smoser> i ran an instance from cempadek
[21:07] <smoser> i can't get there via ssh
[21:07] <smoser> clues ?
[21:07] <hggdh> let me get there
[21:09] <hggdh> smoser: should be accessible, unless you hit one of the bugs we found. What happens?
[21:09] <smoser> no ping, no ssh. just gone.
[21:09] <smoser> console output seems to show life is good.
[21:10] <hggdh> hum. It is running on sapodilla. Did you try to ssh from there?
[21:10] <smoser> i can get to sapodilla
[21:10] <smoser> but from there, 'ping <IP_ADDRESS>' fails the same as it does from cempadek
[21:12] <hggdh> darn!
[21:13] <smoser> i just fired another and it looks the same
[21:14] <smoser> (this time with the unmodified release ami)
[21:15] <smoser> hggdh, ^^
[21:17] <hggdh> weird
[21:17] <hggdh> marula is the CC, I will try from there
[21:21] <hggdh> no same thing. Really weird
[21:21] <smoser> hggdh, suggesteions ?
[21:23] <hggdh> smoser: I can open the session to the second instance (<IP_ADDRESS>) from marula
[21:24] <hggdh> smoser: I think you hit one of the issues we are havoing there
[21:24] <smoser> hggdh, oh really, wow.
[21:25] <hggdh> welcome :-)
[21:26] <smoser> hggdh, what is maurla ?
[21:26] <smoser> thats neither the CC or the NC
[21:26] <smoser> why would it have specific luck
[21:26] <hggdh> marula
[21:26] <hggdh> it is the CC
[21:26] <hggdh> I have noticed that *sometimes* I still can manually ssh into an intance from the CC
[21:27] <smoser> hggdh, gah.
[21:27] <smoser> so , how can i get this into a working system so that i can try to test some of my changes ?
[21:28] <hggdh> The only thing I can suggest is to bounce all, in the hopes that it will start fresh and happy
[21:28] <hggdh> (when nothing else works, power it off, count ot ten, power it on again)
[21:29] <hggdh> or... go to topo1, or topo3, where almost no problems appear
[21:29] <hggdh> smoser: it sounds like part of the routing got lost
[21:30] <smoser> hggdh, i want topo 2
[21:30] <smoser> as i want to see the bugs.
[21:32] <hggdh> well, there you are, then
[21:32] <smoser> hggdh, see pm
[21:32] <hggdh> smoser: interesting that from cempedak a 'sudo traceroute -T -p22 <IP_ADDRESS>' resolves on first hop
[21:39] <incorrect> wow i managed to reboot my firewall after upgrading to lucid and i didn't have to reconnect
[21:39] <incorrect> how on earth did it manage to do that
[21:52] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, still around?
[22:06] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: sup?
[22:13] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, when testdrive --version, it shows if virtualization is supported... is that a desirable feature to keep?
[22:20] <hggdh> kirkland: a Q on ecryptfs -- is it required that ~/.ecryptfs point to a *full* path (as opposed to a relativeone)?
[22:20] <hggdh> this blew me when I had to change my harddrive
[22:28] <kirkland> hggdh: yes, should be a full path, ideally
[22:28] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: i think so, yeah
[22:28] <kirkland> RoAkSoAx: or you should create apport hooks, if you're going to get rid of it
[22:30] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/427245/
[22:33] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, But the apport hook will only appear on failure
[22:35] <RoAkSoAx> and it would be unnecessary when just obtaining the version
[22:35] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, unless we might wanna check that to: testdrive --check-virt
[22:35] <RoAkSoAx> s/check/change
[22:41] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland, if you have some time please review/test the modularized code: lp:~andreserl/testdrive/module to propose it for merging
[22:42] <hggdh> kirkland: why a full path? if the user directories are moved to another mountpoint, it will not work anymore
[23:15] <maddhat> hi everyone. got a WOL question.  My card says it supports magicpacket but i cant get the damn thing to start remotely.
[23:16] <cclausen> maddhat: most routers block "directed broadcasts" which is typically what WOL needs to be used across the internet
[23:16] <cclausen> maddhat: can you connect to another machine on the same subnet to send a magic packet?
[23:17] <cclausen> or, can you setup something like Intel vPro for actual remote management?
[23:22] <mathiaz> nxvl: hi - yes - https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-maverick-puppet-bootstrap is what we were talking about for GSoC
[23:27] <kaprenakis> Does anyone know if this guide will work with Ubuntu Sever 10.04? http://t3.woodel.com/my-linux-how-to/debian_howto_start_to_finish_using_webmin.pdf
[23:29] <nxvl> mathiaz: great!
[23:31] <cloakable> !webmin | kaprenakis
[23:33] <kaprenakis> cloakable: So should i just use 8.04?
[23:33] <kaprenakis> cloakable: or just use debian?
[23:33] <JanC> kaprenakis: webmin hasn't been supported by Ubuntu & Debian for 4 or 5 years at least
[23:36] <JanC> and didn't work well before that either
[23:36] <maddhat> cclausen: i am on the same subnet sending. sorry shouldve specified. im actually sending it from my pfsense box (same subnet) to the destination machine.  also tried using etherwake from another peer on the subnet
[23:44] <storrgie> cclausen: you know samba well?
[23:46] <maddhat> cclausen: here is my output from ethtool: http://pastebin.com/0zi8yrZd  (wake-on is disabled because i reboot the machine. it wont save the change to "enabled" statically.. but i did enable before powering off the machine
[23:51] <cclausen> maddhat: try enabling wake on lan in your computer BIOS/  I doubt ethtool would work for that
[23:51] <cclausen> it is entirely possible that your computer doesn't actually have wake on lan support
[23:51] <cclausen> storrgie: no, I don't run samba ever since I managed to break the campus network with it
[23:52] <cclausen> maddhat: try using the wakeonlan package.  it works me
[23:52] <cclausen> (to actually do the waking, not enabling the bios option)
[23:52] <cclausen> oh, pfsense.  is that a bsd derivative?
[23:53] <cclausen> etherwake should be equiv to wakeonlan command so that likely isn't the problem...
[23:53] <cclausen> probably just your computer not actually waking up
[23:56] <storrgie> haha
[23:56] <storrgie> wide links?
[23:56] <lil_cain> pfsense is openBSD iirc