[03:35] <Seveas> flickerfly: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:35] <r3d0xXuS> should i write now: sudo apt-install linux-k7 ?
[03:35] <Seveas> yes
[03:35] <Seveas> again in the terminal :)
[03:35] <Eudoxus> Noone?
[03:35] <tritium> r3d0xXuS, apt-get install, not apt-install
[03:35] <r3d0xXuS> installing
[03:36] <r3d0xXuS> yahoow :o
[03:36] <r3d0xXuS>  sudo apt-get install linux-k7
[03:36] <r3d0xXuS> :P
[03:36] <flickerfly> Thanks Seveas!
[03:36] <misaka> goye2cz - I've got the same setup you describe, 1.0.6 in /proc/asound/version, and 1.0.8-4ubuntu4 for the package version.
[03:36] <r3d0xXuS> 60%
[03:36] <r3d0xXuS> yay :D
[03:36] <Seveas> flickerfly, for a ready-to-use sources.list go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[03:36] <r3d0xXuS> this installer compile the kernel into new cernel ?!
[03:36] <r3d0xXuS> kernel*
[03:37] <r3d0xXuS> reading database....
[03:37] <Seveas> it won't compile a thing
[03:37] <Seveas> the kernels are pre-compiled
[03:37] <r3d0xXuS> ok finnished
[03:37] <r3d0xXuS> what now ? :o
[03:37] <r3d0xXuS> reboot?
[03:37] <Seveas> ok, now you need to reboot, and when you reboot, choose the kernel 2.6.10-5-k7 line.
[03:37] <r3d0xXuS> ok
[03:38] <r3d0xXuS> brb
[03:40] <goye2cz> misaka: on the ardour channel someone came to the conclusion that my package of alsa-firmware didn't support the us-122.
[03:41] <littlezoper> i'm getting a bunch of messages in syslog that say only "localhost -- MARK --".  any idea what that means?
[03:42] <Seveas> littlezoper, you can ignore these
[03:42] <littlezoper> what do they mean?
[03:42] <AlwaysModest> when i boot into ubuntu i get an error message first thing that says "error failed to initialize hal"
[03:42] <littlezoper> i foudn those as I was trying to find out why my machine locked this morning...
[03:43] <Seveas> some driver reports that it's still running i guess
[03:43] <flickerfly> littlezoper: you have the syslog configure to mark the logs regularly. It is a feature of your logger that can be turned off if desired.
[03:43] <littlezoper> ack!
[03:43] <nJess> im having a hard time connecting to anything from ubuntu (things keep timing out) but i have no problems on my windows machine on the same network, why would that happen?
[03:43] <littlezoper> flickerfly: ok
[03:43] <Seveas> flickerfly, ah ok, so I was almost right :)
[03:43] <flickerfly> :-)
[03:43] <flickerfly> Seveas: it can be ignored
[03:44] <littlezoper> flickerfly and Seveas: good to know...thanks...
[03:44] <mindspin> flickerfly connecting how ? http ? smb? ftp?
[03:44] <nJess> like for instance, i can connect to some irc servers with ease, others time out repeatedly
[03:45] <mindspin> oops was nJess
[03:45] <nJess> things on the local network seem to be okay
[03:45] <nJess> its just the internet thats acting up
[03:45] <Seveas> nJess, is it only irc?
[03:46] <flickerfly> mindspin: ? what's connecting?
[03:46] <nJess> well, firefox seems to lag more than usual as well
[03:46] <Seveas> ok
[03:46] <Seveas> and mail?
[03:46] <__arty> hi, I'm using breezy, I can run openoffice2 as root but not as a normal user?? error is ...  openoffice
[03:46] <__arty> *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x080ddb00 ***
[03:46] <__arty> Aborted
[03:46] <nJess> i havn't used mail
[03:46] <aspr1> hi guys
[03:46] <Seveas> __arty, look at the topic: do not use breezy
[03:46] <mindspin> flickerfly sorry i meant nJess not you
[03:46] <aspr1> nuce to meet u all
[03:46] <Seveas> nJess, please try something else than irc and web too
[03:46] <aspr1> nice to meet u all
[03:46] <flickerfly> mindspin: :-) Ok
[03:47] <nJess> seveas, i don't really have anything to try....
[03:47] <Seveas> nJess, IRC lagging can be explained by not having an identd which currenyly most IRC servers require
[03:47] <Seveas> for Firefox there is possibly another cause:
[03:47] <Seveas> nJess: Open firefox and go to about:config. Now search for network.dns.disableIPV6 and set that value to true. Restart Firefox to see the effect.
[03:47] <nJess> ahh
[03:47] <nJess> well i can't connect to freenode
[03:48] <Seveas> nJess, you might as well disable ipv6 completely, you can find out how on wiki.ubuntu.com
[03:48] <orhs> hmm iam haveing problems installing a different splash screen..
[03:48] <zerokills> hey guys, i installed xfce, but it doesnt come up on the gdm list, any ideas?
[03:48] <r3d0xXuS> ok
[03:48] <r3d0xXuS> it works Seveas: Nvidia logo has been shown
[03:48] <Seveas> zerokills, have you installed the xfce4 metapackage through apt?
[03:49] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, neat!
[03:49] <nJess> seveas, im using warty...would that matter?
[03:49] <r3d0xXuS> ok :D
[03:49] <r3d0xXuS> thanks Seveas
[03:49] <zerokills> seveas: no, whats the package name?
[03:49] <Seveas> nJess, no it's the same on both in this case
[03:49] <Seveas> zerokills, xfce4
[03:49] <Seveas> :)
[03:49] <zerokills> :) thanks
[03:50] <xiaogil> is there a command line soft for IRC
[03:50] <Seveas> xiaogil, yes
[03:50] <Seveas> try irssi
[03:50] <_kaz> fwiw, digikam (for kde) just made this box a kubuntu convert :>
[03:50] <tritium> yes, irssi is nice :)
[03:51] <_kaz> but photo management is the most important function for the person who will use it.
[03:51] <aspr1> my cd's not yet received they stopped sending them??
[03:52] <aspr1> any idea??
[03:52] <Seveas> aspr1, no, but it takes some time for them to send the CD's
[03:52] <chrissturm> kaz: f-spot could make it a gnome convert again
[03:52] <r3d0xXuS> Seveas: do u know Steam for Half-Life games and stuff?
[03:52] <mindspin> yesterday someone mentioned something about waiting for five months ;-)
[03:52] <sweety> hai..
[03:52] <_kaz> i was checking out f-spot too...  KDE has much more eye-candy and seems more newbie friendly.
[03:53] <aspr1> ok
[03:53] <sweety> hai kaloz..
[03:53] <mindspin> kde rulez /me duck and cover
[03:53] <_kaz> this is for my computer illiterate aunt
[03:53] <nJess> hmm i should probably order some more CDs
[03:53] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, i don't play games that much, usually i stick to supertux :)
[03:53] <Seveas> mindspin, that means he has ordered them before the release
[03:54] <r3d0xXuS> hehe
[03:54] <_kaz> I just wonder if there are any serious CONs to using kubuntu over ubuntu?
[03:54] <Seveas> they started sending CDs in may
[03:54] <Seveas> so they have quite a backlog to catch up to
[03:54] <misaka> goye2cz - Sorry, I'm not sure how to update/change the alsa firmware package, I don't see it listed in ubuntu. Maybe it's a part of another package?
[03:54] <mindspin> kaz personal taste?
[03:54] <Seveas> _kaz, yes
[03:54] <_kaz> slower security patch availability or anything?
[03:54] <Seveas> kde sucks :)
[03:54] <chrissturm> hehe
[03:54] <r3d0xXuS> hehe
[03:54] <_kaz> lol
[03:54] <Seveas> but technical reasons: no
[03:54] <_kaz> I like gnome
[03:55] <r3d0xXuS> Seveas: where can i install mp3 decode for my mp3 player
[03:55] <Seveas> except that gnome is the default for ubuntu and most devs concentrate on gnome
[03:55] <Seveas> kubuntu is mainly community work
[03:55] <Riddell> _kaz: kubuntu has the same security procedures as ubuntu (since they are the same distro)
[03:55] <_kaz> but I just took windows away from my aunt because she can't refrain from opening dancing-bears.exe every time one of her friends worms sends her something.
[03:55] <termite> lol
[03:55] <_kaz> so I have to keep things as simple as possible for her.
[03:55] <Seveas> oh and another reason not tu use kubunut: every time you say KDE in here, Riddell pops up :)))
[03:56] <mindspin> kde
[03:56] <nJess> i took windows away from my mom once
[03:56] <nJess> but she punched me in the head
[03:56] <Seveas> _kaz, simple [03:56] <NicP> lol
[03:56] <termite> windows its easy
[03:56] <r3d0xXuS> Seveas: where is the XMMS mp3 player at ubuntu?
[03:56] <NicP> no its not
[03:56] <goye2cz> misaka: I'm fast finding out that I really need a release more geared to multi-media, audio specifically.
[03:56] <termite> ubuntu has taken me the greater part of today to install something
[03:56] <NicP> os x is easy
[03:56] <NicP> windows is not
[03:56] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, aptitude install beep-media-player
[03:56] <termite> a simple vlc program
[03:56] <Seveas> beep is a gtk2 (and thus better looking) port of xmms
[03:56] <misaka> goye2cz - If you're running Linux to do audio stuff, I'd agree.
[03:57] <r3d0xXuS> E: /home/redoxxus/.aptitude/config - %s konnte nicht zum schreiben geffnet werden (13 Keine Berechtigung)
[03:57] <r3d0xXuS> Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig
[03:57] <r3d0xXuS> Abhngigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut
[03:57] <r3d0xXuS> Lese erweiterte Statusinformationen
[03:57] <r3d0xXuS> Initialisiere Paketstatus... Fertig
[03:57] <r3d0xXuS> E: Konnte Lockdatei /var/lib/dpkg/lock nicht ffnen - open (13 Keine Berechtigung)
[03:57] <r3d0xXuS> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[03:57] <_kaz> I think in a lot of cases we could swap people out with ubuntu/kubuntu & just tell them "its the new windows upgrade" :P
[03:57] <mindspin> is there #wm-bashing ?
[03:57] <_kaz> and they would believe.
[03:57] <goye2cz> misaka: I'm getting recommended to use FC CCRMA
[03:57] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, do NOT paste in here....
[03:57] <NicP> lol
[03:57] <misaka> _kaz - Give her Mozilla in kiosk-mode.
[03:57] <Seveas> and use sudo :)
[03:57] <misaka> _kaz - Should be good enough. ;]
[03:57] <_kaz> haha
[03:57] <r3d0xXuS> ah ok lol
[03:57] <r3d0xXuS> also sudo aptitude install beep-media-player?
[03:57] <mindspin> and most ppl here dont understand gerrrmann
[03:57] <r3d0xXuS> hrhr
[03:58] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, when you start beep, first go to the preferences and change the output plugin to esound
[03:58] <Seveas> otherwise it won't do nothing :)
[03:58] <r3d0xXuS> k its installed
[03:58] <termite> thankz Seveas
[03:58] <termite> just grabbed the vlc
[03:58] <termite> gonna try it now
[03:58] <nJess> i have a question
[03:58] <termite> *excited*
[03:58] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, download this too: http://ubuntulinux.nl/~dennis/4Humans.tgz
[03:58] <nJess> would i have better luck with a newer version of ubuntu working on my amd64 laptop?
[03:59] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, and put that in /home/YOURNAME/.bmp/Skins
[03:59] <nJess> i tried warthog but it took ages to boot up
[03:59] <r3d0xXuS> yeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaah :o
[03:59] <nJess> and never actually worked
[03:59] <r3d0xXuS> it rox
[03:59] <Seveas> it's an Ubuntu skin for beep :)
[03:59] <bigfoot1> hi everyone. A question from a newbie about streaming media. I can play them (audio; audio/video) fine inside firefox with mplayer plugin. But what bothers me is the inability to control playback. I would like to be able to fastforward or rewind to a certain point. How can i do this? THank you.
[03:59] <termite> since ubuntu is meant to be more user friendly they should have at least put xvid/divx support
[03:59] <chrissturm> njess: hoary is much better for notebooks
[03:59] <Seveas> nJess, for amd64 you'd better go to hoary
[03:59] <mindspin> 64 machines rock as far as I can see ;-)
[03:59] <Seveas> and definitely for notebooks
[03:59] <nJess> okay
[03:59] <r3d0xXuS> where to that
[03:59] <r3d0xXuS> k
[03:59] <Seveas> bigfoot1, ENOWAY
[04:00] <nJess> because the installer for warthog caused my laptop to have a thermal shutdown
[04:00] <bigfoot1> what's enoway? is that a typo for "no way"?
[04:00] <Seveas> nJess, really try hoary then
[04:00] <r3d0xXuS> there isnt /.bmp/skins
[04:00] <bigfoot1> Seveas,...?
[04:00] <Seveas> it did the same for mine :)
[04:00] <r3d0xXuS> Seveas: it says only /home/myname/
[04:00] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, /home/YOURNAME/.bmp/Skins
[04:00] <nJess> there we go
[04:00] <r3d0xXuS> there is no .bmp/skins
[04:00] <nJess> 80 dics
[04:00] <nJess> discs*
[04:00] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, not in nautilus ;)(
[04:00] <termite> what does the -i do when u dpkg
[04:00] <Seveas> but in the terminal there is
[04:01] <Choubaka> termite: installs :P
[04:01] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, save it to your homedir
[04:01] <r3d0xXuS> lol
[04:01] <r3d0xXuS> how :o
[04:01] <r3d0xXuS> im newbie:x
[04:01] <nJess> r3d0xXuS, check that box to view hidden folders
[04:01] <nJess> yes?
[04:01] <termite> :p
[04:01] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, and in a terminal type: ~/4Humans.tgz ~/.bmp/Skins/
[04:01] <Choubaka> termite: foo.
[04:01] <misaka> termite - Try 'man dpkg'.
[04:01] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, you do know how to save a file with firefox i suppose?
[04:01] <Choubaka> termite: I told you what it does, and I get a slap in the face.
[04:01] <Choubaka> I demand more. respect.
[04:01] <termite> :>
[04:01] <r3d0xXuS> sure lol
[04:01] <termite> i give u
[04:01] <termite> respeck
[04:01] <termite> if u fix this ubuntu
[04:01] <termite> for me
[04:02] <termite> and make it play my pr0no
[04:02] <Seveas> termite: Please keep the code of conduct in mind when chatting here. You can find it at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[04:02] <termite> :<
[04:02] <Choubaka> Ok. How have you broken it? :P
[04:02] <r3d0xXuS> bash: /home/redoxxus/Desktop/4Humans.tgz: Access denied
[04:02] <termite> oooi i didnt break code of conduct :>
[04:02] <gahan> why cant i turn off ro shutdown computer from gnome or even gdm?
[04:03] <termite> ok time to try vlc
[04:03] <termite> bbl
[04:03] <gahan> i can only logout and login
[04:03] <Seveas> gahan, dunno, what did you do just before it stopped working?
[04:03] <r3d0xXuS> tried with sudo
[04:03] <r3d0xXuS> same
[04:03] <r3d0xXuS> -.-
[04:03] <gahan> Seveas: i dont exactly remember :|
[04:03] <Seveas> gahan, so you start gnome with startx or does it run on bootup?
[04:03] <gahan> i havent edited menu so far, is there menu editor?
[04:03] <gahan> it starts with gdm
[04:04] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, open a terminal and type this:
[04:04] <Seveas> cd ~/.bmp/Skins
[04:04] <Seveas> wget http://ubuntulinux.nl/~dennis/4Humans.tgz
[04:04] <yahalom> anyone here switched from fc4 to ubuntu?
[04:04] <r3d0xXuS> ok im tin
[04:04] <r3d0xXuS> Data not found
[04:05] <Seveas> make sure you have capitalization right
[04:05] <r3d0xXuS> yeah
[04:05] <r1k0> hi, I would like to disintall gnome in ubuntu how can I do that  ? thx by advance
[04:05] <Seveas> r1k0, raptitude remove gnome-desktop-environment
[04:05] <bigfoot1> Seveas, please tell me more about "enoway"
[04:05] <bretzel> Hi - Question: Why is that gnome-panel don't show KDE notify icons anymore ? I remember it was working in hoary array-cd 5 ...
[04:06] <Seveas> r1k0, and use debfoster to clean up the bits it leaves behind
[04:06] <r1k0> Seveas, thank you very much for your answer :)
[04:06] <r3d0xXuS> i wrote first: cd ~/.bmp/Skins
[04:06] <Seveas> bigbootay, it means: can't be done
[04:06] <r3d0xXuS> then it come a prompt:
[04:06] <r3d0xXuS> Myname@myhost:~/.bmp/Skins$
[04:06] <r3d0xXuS> then i wrote
[04:06] <bigfoot1> Seveas, where can i get enoway? apparently, it's not in synaptic. thank you.
[04:06] <Seveas> bigfoot1, lol :)
[04:06] <r3d0xXuS> wget http://ubuntulinux.nl/~dennis/4Humans.tgz
[04:07] <Seveas> ENOWAY is a geeky way of sayin that things aren't possible
[04:07] <r1k0> ok now I need to buy a pcmcia ethernet card but I dont know which one to buy, can someone recommend me one ?? ithought about a fa511 from netgear but iam not sure, thx
[04:07] <bigfoot1> Seveas, oh, i see. um, i have an idea, please let me know what you think of this idea: I'll stream the file as usual (mplayer plugin in firefox) and I'll record it somehow with another audio program. What do you think?
[04:08] <bigfoot1> Seveas, you ever done something like that?
[04:08] <Seveas> not on linux...
[04:09] <bigfoot1> seveas, you mean you haven't done it on linux, but it's possible and a good idea?
[04:09] <Seveas> bigbootay, i don't know whether it's possible
[04:09] <Seveas> bigfoot1*
[04:09] <gfxstyler> he
[04:09] <gfxstyler> hey
[04:09] <gfxstyler> whats up?
[04:09] <r3d0xXuS> Oo
[04:10] <r3d0xXuS> yo whatz up :)
[04:10] <bigfoot1> okay, Seveas. 8-)
[04:10] <bigfoot1> Seveas, but is there a program that can record what ever is outputted ?
[04:10] <gfxstyler> can someone help me with my cam? its a very small problem i guess because i may know already whats wrong
[04:10] <Seveas> ENOIDEA
[04:11] <Seveas> (a geeky way of saying: i don't know)
[04:11] <misaka> bigfoot - Why not just grab the URL and play it with another media player?
[04:11] <misaka> bigfoot - Like, vlc, xmms, etc?
[04:11] <bigfoot1> misaka, coz I don't think these other media players will allow me to control playback?
[04:11] <bigfoot1> .
[04:11] <bigfoot1> would they?
[04:11] <misaka> bigfoot - Sure they will.
[04:11] <bigfoot1> okay, misaka, let me try. thank you.
[04:12] <misaka> bigfoot - mplayer is just a bit scarce with the controls, it even has some keyboard commands that might help you out.
[04:12] <geko> hi guys
[04:12] <geko> can i ceck win files form ubuntu?
[04:12] <misaka> bigfoot - But, the best way is to just grab a player that has better GUI controls.
[04:12] <geko> i mean with a partition with win on hd?
[04:12] <bigfoot1> misaka, ok. i have vlc, xmms, totem, music player. hmmm. which should i try first, i wonder. 8-)
[04:12] <Seveas> geko, download http://ubuntulinux.nl/~dennis/windows_fstab and run that with sudo sh windows_fstab
[04:13] <gfxstyler> i plugin the cam and then the console says (new fullspeed usb blabla at address 10), its recognized as (usb spca5xx camera found blabla)... so i guess it should work (because with gentoo it worked too) ... anyway, /dev/video0 is empty, and gnomemeeting does not scan the cam, so whats wrong?
[04:13] <misaka> bigfoot - Depends on the media ... but vlc is a good bet.
[04:14] <bigfoot1> misaka, it's a windows media file ending with .wax extension. heard of it?
[04:14] <misaka> or, NAK, as Seveas might say. ;]
[04:14] <bigfoot1> nope?
[04:15] <misaka> bigfoot - If no other media player reads it, try gmplayer ... a version of mplayer with a gui.
[04:15] <Seveas> misaka, evil one :)
[04:16] <misaka> Seveas - Yes, a little evil, but it'll still get the job done! ;]
[04:16] <Xabbu|> Hm I have some problem with my gnomebaker. I can't burn any cd. It just say it failed the burning.
[04:16] <Seveas> as satan once said (Southpark the movie): Without evil there would be no good, so it must be good to be evil sometimes :)
[04:17] <gfxstyler> ok guys got it working without your help
[04:17] <misaka> gfxstyler - Cool, congr... uh, nm.
[04:18] <misaka> Eesh, some people can be so impatient.
[04:18] <Seveas> :)
[04:18] <bigfoot1> gmplayer scares me, misaka . 8-)
[04:19] <misaka> bigfoot - Can't blame you ... which is why I suggested it last. ;]
[04:19] <bigfoot1> misaka, the .wax streaming file works in VLC with playback control! yippee.
[04:19] <misaka> vlc rocks teh str34mz
[04:20] <lesshaste> There is some process that is beeping every 20 minutes or so. Is there something cunning I can run to see what it is?
[04:20] <misaka> lesshaste - Try going to your vt1 ... er, ctrl-alt-1 I think it is, or maybe c-a-f1.

[04:21] <misaka> My fingers know the answer to that one, but I'm not in front of my linoox box.
[04:21] <lesshaste> misaka, and then?
[04:21] <misaka> lesshaste - Look for anything particularly interesting, wait 20 mins to see if anything pops up with the beek.
[04:22] <misaka> lesshaste - That's your console, if there are system errors they could show up there.
[04:22] <misaka> But, it's a shot in the dark ... I don't really know what'd be causing beeping, I probably would've just wiped the disk if that happened to me and I didn't know what it was.
[04:23] <lesshaste> misaka, drastic :)
[04:23] <misaka> Kind of like the first time I saw the goetse man ... had to reintsall to make sure he was properly gone.
[04:23] <lesshaste> presumably to beep it must be accessing /dev/something?
[04:23] <misaka> lesshaste - Not necessarily ... sending ^G to a terminal can cause a beep, not sure if that requires a special access to /dev/something.
[04:24] <lesshaste> ah ok
[04:24] <misaka> lesshaste - I assume this is a PC-speaker beep, not a soundcard beep?
[04:24] <lesshaste> yes.. pc speaker
[04:24] <Seveas> misaka, lol
[04:24] <misaka> I'd check for system errors first then. Oh, a-f7 to get back to your X11 terminal from the text console. ;]
[04:25] <lesshaste> no errors
[04:26] <misaka> lesshaste - Nothing special in /var/log/kern.log ?
[04:26] <timmy__> ok quick question, when i try and install the java plugin for mozilla firefox its all gd until its asks if i want to continue, at which point regardless of me selection [y]  it aborts. Why is this?
[04:27] <timmy__> peeps?
[04:27] <misaka> Now there's a wide-open question.
[04:27] <timmy__> ok quick question, when i try and install the java plugin for mozilla firefox its all gd until its asks if i want to continue, at which point regardless of me selection [y]  it aborts. Why is this?
[04:27] <lesshaste>  only an mrtg cron job
[04:27] <{Seb}> exit
[04:28] <lesshaste> which runs every 5 minutes, and that has no reason or way to beep
[04:28] <misaka> timmy - Probably 'cuz there's a bug in the installer ... ? Random guess there. ;]
[04:28] <lesshaste> misaka, you mean /var/log/messages ?
[04:28] <timmy__> hmmm, i just type the sudo command into the terminal
[04:28] <timmy__> can i do it any other way>
[04:28] <misaka> lesshaste - I meant kern.log, but check as many log files as you care to.
[04:28] <timmy__> ?
[04:29] <lesshaste> misaka, I don't have kern.log
[04:29] <moparfan90> hello. i just installed ubuntu and am getting alot of errors can some one help fix this?
[04:29] <timmy__> what kind of errors?
[04:29] <timmy__> ~
[04:30] <caonex> i have an athlon thunderbird which mplayer package should i install?
[04:30] <timmy__> nv
[04:30] <_kaz> can you run kde apps (like digikam) under gnome?
[04:30] <Seveas> _kaz, yes
[04:30] <timmy__> you people are shit
[04:30] <timmy__> eat shit and die
[04:30] <moparfan90>  well when i boot up my computer i get alot of errors but they go away to fast for me to read and when the desktop loads it says error: failed to initalize HAL!
[04:31] <NicP> lol
[04:31] <goofyheadedpunk> timmy__: Bad day?
[04:31] <_kaz> seveas: just apt-get install digikam  and it will work?
[04:31] <Seveas> if the package is available in the repositories: yes
[04:32] <_kaz> the K-everything theme konquerer/kmail/kgaim as default would take some time to get used to.
[04:32] <_kaz> (or replace) ;)
[04:33] <hunger> Hiho! Is there a repository with non-security updates to hoary?
[04:33] <_kaz> but this digikam looks slick.
[04:33] <Seveas> hunger, there is hoary-updates
[04:34] <Seveas> but that features only updates that fix severe bugs...
[04:34] <r3d0xXuS> Do anyone play Steam like Half-Life or Counter-Strike on Ubuntu?
[04:34] <r3d0xXuS> Seveas
[04:35] <Seveas> i don't :)
[04:35] <r3d0xXuS> my buddy said: i can play steam on cadange or winex4
[04:35] <r3d0xXuS> what this both program
[04:35] <Seveas> cedega / winex you mean
[04:35] <r3d0xXuS> yeah
[04:35] <eruin> it's on http://transgaming.com
[04:35] <Seveas> if he knows that it's possible ask him for help on installing it
[04:35] <eruin> non-free
[04:35] <eruin> and it does work fine
[04:35] <Seveas> it's not in the repositories, and i have no experience with it
[04:35] <r3d0xXuS> for ubuntu?
[04:36] <r3d0xXuS> hmm k
[04:36] <r3d0xXuS> ill ask my buddy
[04:36] <Efwis> r3d0xXuS, I looked into it I know its $5 USD a month to use that system
[04:37] <bigfoot1> regarding audio quality, what does lossy and lossless and compatible mean? These are terminology in "sound recorder."
 They risk losing quality during playback. But now my worry's gone, thanks to you all. 8-)
[04:40] <hardcampa-> heh
[04:40] <bigfoot1> so what does compatible mean, in terms of audio recording ?
[04:41] <Efwis> r3d0xXuS, I know, in order to use my modem as a fax I need to either buy a new modem or pay $15 to linuxant to get the driver
[04:41] <hardcampa-> bigfoot1 as someone said. Whenever you save a jpg in a quality that's not 100% you loose some quality. Most apps save jpegs at qualitys below 100%
[04:41] <bigfoot1> png is just gif's new name right?
[04:41] <Seveas> bigfoot1, rofl!
[04:41] <Seveas> no, not at all
[04:41] <misaka> bigfoot - Er, no ...
[04:41] <bob2> bigfoot1: no, not at all
[04:41] <Seveas> png is a completely different format
[04:41] <misaka> bigfoot - What *have* you been reading? ;]
[04:41] <bob2> bigfoot1: it's an entirely new and better format
[04:41] <Seveas> quite superior :)
[04:41] <NicP> lol
[04:41] <bigfoot1> i must have misread that somewhere.
[04:41] <Lincx> Gahh i need some themes lol
[04:42] <r3d0xXuS> gmm
[04:42] <r3d0xXuS> hmmmmmmmmmmmm
[04:42] <bigfoot1> or maybe i was in my sleepy state.
[04:42] <r3d0xXuS> ok well ill do linux as workstation and windows as my game O/S
[04:42] <r3d0xXuS> :>
[04:42] <Efwis> bigfoot1, png is comparable, but better to JPEG
[04:42] <Seveas> Efwis, not really
[04:42] <hardcampa-> Efwis that is totally dependant upon what you want to use the image for
[04:42] <Seveas> png is lossless
[04:42] <Seveas> jpeg lossy
[04:42] <misaka> bigfoot - If you dumb it down a whole lot, you could say png is the new gif, but only as an analogy.
[04:42] <Simira> can I use kde apps in Gnome?
[04:42] <Efwis> true, I forgot about that
[04:43] <Seveas> Simira, sure :)
[04:43] <NicP> Simira, course you can, you just need the right dependancys
[04:43] <JohnMurdoch> Simira, yes, but don't be surprised when the fonts look oversized. :)
[04:43] <dabi> where should i start to find why i cant see my battery state?
[04:43] <hardcampa-> For web images & transfer speeds nothing beats jpg
[04:43] <Seveas> dabi, does /proc/acpi/battery exist?
[04:43] <Efwis> thats what I do r3d0xXuS
[04:43] <bigfoot1> i plan on recording an audio in the highest quality, namely CD lossless. after saving, is it possible to experiment with lesser qualities... to see if not much quality has been lost?
[04:44] <orhs> How do i make my own login manager (like the once you can find at art.gnome.com)
[04:44] <Seveas> bigfoot1, yes
[04:44] <orhs> ?
[04:44] <ag_the_king> is it better than windows?
[04:44] <Seveas> orhs, you mean login manager *theme*
[04:44] <bigfoot1> but audio recorder can't change qualities, seveas?
[04:44] <r3d0xXuS> hehe efwis :D
[04:44] <orhs> seveas, yes
[04:44] <r3d0xXuS> efwis do u know teamspeak?
[04:44] <Seveas> bigfoot1, but you can transcode existing files to different formats
[04:44] <Seveas> orhs, look at art.gnome.org/faq.php
[04:44] <dabi> Seveas: yes..
[04:45] <Efwis> r3d0xXuS, no I don't
[04:45] <bigfoot1> Seveas, transcode means going to terminal?
[04:45] <r3d0xXuS> damn
[04:45] <r3d0xXuS> i got .bz2 file
[04:45] <r3d0xXuS> i want install that
[04:45] <bigfoot1> is there a gui program for transcoding, seveas?
[04:45] <r3d0xXuS> whats the command?
[04:45] <Seveas> dabi, look at all files in /proc/acpi/battery
[04:45] <r3d0xXuS> sudo apt-get install filename.bz2 ?
[04:45] <maxy_noob> hi guys!
[04:45] <bigfoot1> hi maxy_noob !
[04:45] <Seveas> bigfoot1, i guess there is, i just don't know it
[04:45] <dabi> Seveas: empty
[04:45] <r3d0xXuS> Seveas ?!
[04:45] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, tar jxvf filename.bz2
[04:46] <Seveas> that'll extract it
[04:46] <maxy_noob> Was wondering if someone can help me change grub default?
[04:46] <r3d0xXuS> jxvf ?!
[04:46] <r3d0xXuS> k
[04:46] <r3d0xXuS> lol
[04:46] <Seveas> look for README and INSTALL files
[04:46] <bigfoot1> okay. thank you all for the education !
[04:46] <r3d0xXuS> there isnt readme
[04:46] <Seveas> yes, jxvf :)
[04:46] <Seveas> j = bzip2 x = extract v = verbose f = use the file i specify
[04:46] <r3d0xXuS> ah k
[04:46] <Seveas> maxy_noob, sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:46] <Seveas> there's a line that says default 0
[04:47] <Seveas> change that :)
[04:47] <maxy_noob> Seveas, thanks man. I'll check it out
[04:47] <ilba7r> i have a problem with xpdf when i open the files i have empty lines that occured after i had update any suggestions
[04:47] <Seveas> dabi, that means acpi is not completely functional on your machine
[04:47] <Seveas> so you cannot check it
[04:47] <Seveas> ilba7r, try evince and see if it happens in evince too
[04:47] <dabi> hmm windows can... :P f* it.. i wont let M$ beat me..
[04:48] <ilba7r> evince is a program? ok
[04:48] <maxy_noob> Seveas, an empty text editor window popped up
[04:48] <Seveas> ilba7r, yes
[04:48] <r3d0xXuS> oeh?! where its installed?
[04:48] <Seveas> maxy_noob, sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:48] <Seveas> maxy_noob, make sure you made no spelling mistakes
[04:48] <ag_the_king> dous anyone like me? I feal so.. so ... so ignored
[04:48] <maxy_noob> k
[04:48] <Seveas> ag_the_king, lol :)
[04:48] <Lincx> lol
[04:48] <sjs1> i dont write good englis... can some tell me a good ftp server for ubuntu?
[04:48] <Seveas> ag_the_king, what was your question?
[04:49] <Seveas> sjs1, vsftpd / pureftpd
[04:49] <maxy_noob> Seveas, ok. Now?
[04:49] <sjs1> i have install vsftpd
[04:49] <ilba7r> seveas same problem
[04:49] <Seveas> maxy_noob, still open?
[04:49] <ag_the_king> Seveas: I dont know.. Is ubuntu the best operating system?
[04:49] <Seveas> ag_the_king, it depends on your needs :)
[04:49] <maxy_noob> yes, with info this time.
[04:49] <maxy_noob> it's the right file
[04:49] <ilba7r> i have kubuntu too i can see the files with kghostview but the colours are messed up
[04:50] <Seveas> maxy_noob, ok, look for a line that starts with default
[04:50] <ag_the_king> Seveas: I wana surf porno sites
[04:50] <Seveas> and change that line to what you want
[04:50] <sjs1> adress to : "how too vsftpd"
[04:50] <maxy_noob> default grub root device?
[04:50] <Seveas> ag_the_king, ah, you must use windows then for the .wmv clips :)
[04:50] <Seveas> maxy_noob, no
[04:50] <maxy_noob> :(
[04:50] <Seveas> maxy_noob, line 12
[04:50] <Seveas> it says default     0
[04:51] <Seveas> change that to what ou need
[04:51] <maxy_noob> oh, there it is
[04:51] <ag_the_king> Seveas: Just kidding :) Is it good as a server?
[04:51] <maxy_noob> yes
[04:51] <Seveas> sjs1, aptitude install vsftpd and browse through man vsftpd and /usr/share/doc/vsftpd
[04:51] <Seveas> ag_the_king, excellent
[04:52] <maxy_noob> Seveas, I guess I change it to 3 if I want the fourth item?
[04:52] <Seveas> ag_the_king, it's secure, patches come fast after leaks are discovered, easily updatable and all types of servers come in the repositories
[04:52] <Seveas> maxy_noob, indeed
[04:53] <maxy_noob> you rock, dude! thanks@!
[04:53] <infralite> after i install ubuntu, the kernel gives an error and dumps registers, and it goes so fast that i can't see what's wrong. it does that in the recovery mode too. what to do?
[04:54] <r3d0xXuS> ok i switch Winxp :o
[04:54] <orhs> anyone got some good tuts for programming in python??
[04:55] <Seveas> aptitude install diveintopython :)
[04:55] <Wings> just decompile bittorrent and copy it
[04:55] <LaurenceRowe> Any emacs users here? I want to make middle click in emacs paste the x selection instead of the emacs only kill buffer. any idea how to get this to work
[04:56] <Efwis> I got a kinda technical question, is there a way to free the memory usage up other then a complete restart?
[04:57] <bob2> LaurenceRowe: it does paste the X selection here
[04:57] <JohnMurdoch> Efwis, stop services/apps you're not using
[04:57] <infralite> no one kow anything about my issue?
[04:57] <infralite> *know
[04:57] <Seveas> infralite, not without more info (like the exact error...)
[04:58] <LaurenceRowe> bob2: it does for me too at first, but as soon as I kill an area with the scissors button on the button bar, it ignores the x selection
[04:58] <infralite> Seveas: that's the problem actually, it flys past and i can't see it
[04:58] <thenuke> Efwis: Most likely you are just worried because Linux uses your memory effectively ;)
[04:58] <Seveas> infralite, and what happens after that?
[04:58] <moparfan91> when you click minamise. how do you reopen the window???
[04:58] <infralite> Seveas: it just stops booting
[04:58] <bob2> LaurenceRowe: well, it overwrites the X selection, right?
[04:58] <Efwis> the only reason I'm asking, is in windows I have a program that releases unused memory. usually I end up with about 23% used after I run the program
[04:58] <Seveas> infralite, so then you can write down the error I guess
[04:58] <infralite> Seveas: i wish i could read an error log or something
[04:59] <wizzard> hi ppl, can anybody help me with Radeon in Kubuntu?
[04:59] <wizzard> need to install fglrx driver
[04:59] <Seveas> wizzard: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:59] <wizzard> thx
[04:59] <infralite> Seveas: it dumps the memory so the error leaves the screen, it's way behind
[04:59] <rodolfo> */join
[04:59] <bob2> Efwis: the kernel does that in linux
[04:59] <Efwis> kk
[05:00] <moparfan91> when you click minamize. how do you reopen the window???
[05:00] <Seveas> moparfan90, click on the programs button in the taskbar...
[05:00] <macarthy> Is there a firewall installed by default in ubuntu?
[05:00] <ckb> join #vfp
[05:00] <ckb> macarthy, "yes"
[05:00] <xoz> moparfan91: try right-clivk
[05:00] <ag_the_king> Seveas: Sound good :)
[05:01] <macarthy> ckb, is there a UI installed by default?
[05:01] <Seveas> macarthy, no
[05:01] <macarthy> UI to the firewall
[05:01] <ys76_work> macarthy, No, there is no need for a firewall
[05:01] <Seveas> but try firestarter
[05:01] <rodolfo> hola
[05:01] <rodolfo> espaol
[05:01] <bob2> ckb: no, there is no firewall installed by default
[05:01] <ag_the_king> Seveas: Dous it have a preinstaled fridge?
[05:01] <Seveas> rodolfo, #ubuntu-es
[05:01] <ckb> macarthy, the default Ubuntu is "no open ports" or what you would get with servers and a firewall blocking the servers
[05:01] <moparfan91> i dont see a programs botton????
[05:01] <bob2> moparfan91: click o nthe window name i nthe bottom panel
[05:01] <moparfan91> it ot there
[05:01] <Seveas> ag_the_king, no, but check out udu.wiki.ubuntu.com for info about TheFridge :)
[05:02] <macarthy> confused..
[05:02] <macarthy> ok, if I install vnc for example I don't need to worry about firewalls
[05:02] <bob2> macarthy: no, there is no firewall installed by default
[05:02] <Seveas> macarthy, in short: you do not need a firewall on ubuntu if you don't unstall servers
[05:02] <bob2> macarthy: but there is no need for one, either
[05:02] <Seveas> and vnc is installed by default :)
[05:03] <Seveas> macarthy, system->preferences->remote desktop
[05:03] <macarthy> vino and it doesn't work
[05:03] <Seveas> (for vnc)
[05:03] <macarthy> Segmantation fault
[05:03] <Seveas> works fine here
[05:03] <ckb> Seveas, and if you did install a server, why would you want a firewall?
[05:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> gday mez
[05:03] <macarthy> amd64
[05:03] <Seveas> ckb, I wouldn't want one
[05:03] <Seveas> I would rather have a real firewall filtering suspicious things
[05:04] <ckb> Seveas, what "things" ?
[05:04] <Seveas> which is what I do on my servers
[05:04] <Seveas> things like a firewall that recognizes dos attacks and other lameness
[05:04] <ckb> Seveas, you could block people from accessing the server, but then what is the point of having a server?
[05:04] <Seveas> :)
[05:04] <misaka> ckb - You could also control, at a lower level, who had access to ports.
[05:05] <Seveas> generally you want *some* people to have access to your server
[05:05] <Seveas> not everyone
[05:05] <misaka> firewalls aren't just on/off.
[05:06] <macarthy> i've installed vncserver , ran it  " New 'X' desktop is mandelbrot:2"  when I try to connect locally I get vncviewer: ConnectToTcpAddr: connect: Connection refused
[05:06] <infralite> is there any difference between the installation of ubuntu and debian?
[05:06] <macarthy> any ideas?
[05:06] <Seveas> well, how do you connect?
[05:06] <Seveas> vncviewer localhost:2
[05:06] <Seveas> ?
[05:06] <macarthy> yeap
[05:07] <ckb> macarthy, I think vnc+localhost is disabled by default
[05:07] <Seveas> yeah
[05:07] <macarthy> ckd, disabled?
[05:07] <infralite> it is
[05:08] <ag_the_king> Seveas: A pizza slizer??
[05:08] <macarthy> huh?
[05:08] <Lafitte-> slizer ?
[05:09] <bob2> bloodlust: please don't to that
[05:09] <ag_the_king> sliser i dont know how to spell it!?
[05:09] <misaka> bob2 - What did he do?
[05:09] <bob2> misaka: dcc chat
[05:09] <Lafitte-> hehe     maybe slicer
[05:09] <misaka> Ah. *nod*
[05:10] <Efwis> bloodlust please ask before trying to dcc
[05:10] <ag_the_king> slicer... Thanks.. That sounds better
[05:10] <Lafitte-> ag_the_king, hehe
[05:11] <JohnMurdoch> bloodlust, others have asked you and now I'm telling you, do not dcc chat me
[05:11] <ag_the_king> lafitte do you kow what you name sounds like in swedish
[05:11] <adapt> haha
[05:11] <Lafitte-> ag_the_king,  no    tell me  grin
[05:12] <ag_the_king> la pusse (la pussy)
[05:13] <Seveas> muha
[05:13] <Lafitte-> ag_the_king,  nice
[05:13] <Lafitte-> ag_the_king,  and hat dos that tranlte too ?
[05:13] <ag_the_king> fitta means pussy and fitte sounds lika fitta
[05:13] <Mez> requested by bob2?
[05:14] <Seveas> Mez, what..?
[05:14] <Mez> * bloodlust<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has left #ubuntu (requested by bob2)
[05:14] <Seveas> he
[05:14] <Lafitte-> ag_the_king,  Lafitte the e is silent
[05:14] <Seveas> I have show join/parts off in this channel :)
[05:14] <Mez> ah lol
[05:14] <Mez> well I got a DCC chat off of bloodlust aswell
[05:14] <Mez> grr
[05:14] <Seveas> heh
[05:14] <infralite> ah, me too
[05:15] <ccc> so did i
[05:15] <kid> what'd he do? :o
[05:15] <Seveas> so probably i had one too :)
[05:15] <Lafitte-> i didnt get one
[05:15] <Efwis> i just aborted it and told him to ask first
[05:15] <njan> why is bloodlust randomly dcc'ing me?
[05:15] <Seveas> ag_the_king, private messages are also not appreciated without asking...
[05:15] <Lafitte-> he might have been trying to exploit you somehow
[05:15] <ag_the_king> Ngon svensk?
[05:15] <ccc> ag_the_king: me
[05:15] <ag_the_king> :D I just had to
[05:16] <emacse1> Does Ubuntu come with a nifty/easy way to reconfigure X?
[05:16] <Mez> bob2 - can you put a ban on bloodlust - he's being really annoying with DCCs
[05:16] <Seveas> My swedish stops at knckebrd :)
[05:16] <ccc> lol
[05:16] <knewt> what do i type in on the install cd boot prompt to use my own choice of kernel
[05:16] <Seveas> emacse1, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:16] <Lafitte-> knewt,  you dont
[05:16] <infralite> or xserver-xfree86 on old comps
[05:16] <emacse1> Seveas: then it asks me a ton of questions, most of which, I have no idea as to the answer
[05:16] <occy> heh
[05:17] <Seveas> emacse1, use the default
[05:17] <infralite> err old versions
[05:17] <Seveas> the defaults are good usually
[05:17] <emacse1> Seveas: all this to change the monitor?
[05:17] <occy> did EVERYONE here get a DCC from bloodlust?
[05:17] <kid> requested? I'm not familiar to this network, is that like some sort of universal replacement?
[05:17] <Nobodyreal> I never did...
[05:17] <ag_the_king> seveas: You mean Knckebrd
[05:17] <misaka> bob2 - You can make someone leave a channel, without kicking, on this ircd?
[05:17] <misaka> occy - Not I.
[05:17] <Seveas> emacse1, well, you can edit xorg.conf too :)
[05:17] <occy> k
[05:17] <bob2> misaka: yes
[05:17] <occy> maybe it's someone I knew
[05:17] <occy> :)
[05:17] <housetier> occy, yes I did
[05:17] <Seveas> ag_the_king, probably, as I said my swedish is bad :)
[05:17] <emacse1> Seveas: but I don't have to do either during installation
[05:17] <occy> housetier, ahhh, bot?
[05:17] <Andril> hello all
[05:17] <infralite> occy: i did
[05:17] <Seveas> i just like the accents :)
[05:17] <misaka> bob2 - What's the point, versus a kick?
[05:17] <bob2> misaka: it's silly, but it tends to not trigger people's auto-rejoin scripts
[05:17] <bob2> misaka: ^^
[05:17] <misaka> Ah.
[05:17] <kid> Ohh ohh, can you try it on me
[05:17] <emacse1> Seveas: so can I use the magic part of the installer that figures it all out?
[05:18] <Seveas> emacse1, sure
[05:18] <misaka> *nod* ... neat trick. Guess it doesn't always work though. :]
[05:18] <bob2> heh
[05:18] <Mez> ah ... bob2  so whats the command to make them do that - or is that just how the kcik works on here
[05:18] <bob2> it would if I could cut and paste faster, but trackpoints suck
[05:18] <emacse1> Seveas: how? :)
[05:18] <Lafitte-> misaka,  i like it because it looked like he grabbed his ear lobe and escorted him out like a little kid  hehe
[05:18] <Nobodyreal> Could anyone tell me how to make changes to the /dev tree and make them stick after a reboot?
[05:19] <misaka> Lafitte - Heh, true.
[05:19] <kid> :(
[05:19] <bob2> Mez: /quote remove #channel username
[05:19] <Seveas> Nobodyreal, edit /etc/udev/rules
[05:19] <bob2> misaka: hah, I'm in screen, but I always forget the cut'n'paste keys
[05:19] <Mez> ah cool :D
[05:19] <ag_the_king> da da da! Ich libe dish nicht du libe mich nicht
[05:20] <Nobodyreal> Seveas: Is that supposed to already be there with a standard installation?  Or do I just put the node info that I want it to restore in here?
[05:20] <misaka> bob2 - ^A-ESC, vi keys to navigate, space to mark, then space again to copy and exit. ^A-]  to paste. ;]
[05:20] <macarthy> i've installed vncserver , ran it  " New 'X' desktop is mandelbrot:2"   - shouldn't I see this in netstat -n -a -p tcp | grep 5902
[05:20] <ag_the_king> can i translate to swedish
[05:21] <OddAbe19> damnit, who was bloodlust? i got a dccchat fro mhim
[05:21] <Seveas> OddAbe19, a bot
[05:21] <Seveas> ignore it
[05:21] <OddAbe19> check check
[05:21] <kid> notified network authorities of him?
[05:21] <OddAbe19> i figured
[05:21] <Seveas> heh :)
[05:23] <ag_the_king> I'm gona kick you seveas!
[05:24] <Seveas> where did you find my sandals?!?
[05:25] <ag_the_king> seveas: In the closet next to the xxx magazines
[05:25] <Seveas> that's not where I keep them :)
[05:25] <Seveas> but let's stay on topic here :)
[05:26] <Andril> anyone able to run FTP,DNS,EMAIL or HTTP server on Ubuntu?
[05:26] <macarthy> On vncserver - looks like it is Segfaulting
[05:26] <Seveas> Andril, everybody can :)
[05:26] <Mez> there's a topic in here seveas?
[05:26] <adapt> miscz you around?
[05:26] <Seveas> Mez, yes, ubuntu support..
[05:27] <Andril> Seveas, cool - well I am still trying to get rid of my Win PC's and port it all to Ubuntu
[05:27] <adapt> Andril: yes
[05:27] <Mez> oh, ok, I thought it was a community + support chat room
[05:28] <Seveas> Mez, well, on times like this (not too busy) it's a random chatroom, but the main purpose is community support though
[05:28] <Andril> adapt, can you point me in the right direction?
[05:28] <adapt> for ftp use /etc/inetd.conf
[05:28] <Seveas> Andril, aptitude install apache2 bind9 vsftpd
[05:29] <macarthy> Ok so that is vino and vncserver  that both segfault on ubuntu amd64
[05:29] <ag_the_king> seveas: Look behind you :D
[05:29] <zerokool> Hi all
[05:29] <zerokool> Im looking for some help please
[05:29] <ag_the_king> seveas: No the other behind you
[05:30] <Seveas> zerokool, well, state your problem then :)
[05:30] <adapt> zerokool: change your name and just ask
[05:30] <zerokool> I have just apt-get the firefox plugin
[05:30] <Andril> Seveas, are these commands or apps
[05:30] <macarthy> anyone running amd64 ubuntu?
[05:30] <Seveas> macarthy, lots of people
[05:30] <zerokool> but now when a page has flash content it closes
[05:30] <macarthy> here?
[05:30] <noob> Plz, can someone help to instal Skype on Ubuntu ?
[05:30] <zerokool> mcarthy I am
[05:30] <hippys> why do i get this message whem my linux start. Couldnt set the clock with the hardware or something like that
[05:31] <adapt> Andril: thats a command to install apps - apache2 is the web server, bind is dns, and vsftpd is ftp
[05:31] <Seveas> zerokool, amd64 and flash is a no-go
[05:31] <zyiro> macarthy im running it on a box at work
[05:31] <ag_the_king> seveas: Do you see me?
[05:31] <TokenBad> anyone help me with vsftpd?
[05:31] <zerokool> ahhhh
[05:31] <macarthy> zerocool, zyiro, can you run vncsever ?
[05:31] <zerokool> is there not a workaround then
[05:31] <Andril> adapt, do you have one for email? how about Hula?
[05:31] <Seveas> zerokool, not really, macromedia refuses to make a 64bit binary...
[05:31] <zerokool> dunno never tried
[05:31] <adapt> Andril: postfix is what i use
[05:31] <zerokool> ok then thanks for the info
[05:31] <zyiro> yeah ive usec vnc on it but
[05:31] <Seveas> Andril, for e-mail postfix is the default
[05:32] <zyiro> bit*
[05:32] <Andril> postfix
[05:32] <adapt> Hula is just a web based front end isnt it
[05:32] <macarthy> zyiro, but?
[05:32] <ag_the_king> Seveas: See! Now your ignoring me and my stupidness again
[05:32] <Andril> adapt, thanks is it easy?
[05:32] <ag_the_king> stupidity
[05:32] <hippys> what package i need in order to get the tgetent
[05:32] <Seveas> and now everyone will ignore you...
[05:32] <zyiro> macarthy i meat to type bit instead of but
[05:32] <zyiro> ive used vnc a bit
[05:32] <Andril> Seveas, you are always on top of things thanks -
[05:32] <adapt> Andril: have you ever set up any server (services) before?
[05:32] <Seveas> vnc is sluggissh
[05:32] <Seveas> freenx beats vnc's ass anytime
[05:33] <macarthy> have you got vino to work?
[05:33] <macarthy> zyiro, have you got vino to work?
[05:33] <Andril> adapt, in Win yes - in Lin No
[05:33] <Seveas> really, you should look at freenx
[05:33] <noob> What pakage should i get ? .tar.bz2   or .deb ???
[05:33] <Seveas> .deb
[05:33] <adapt> Andril: you have some work to do then :)
[05:33] <macarthy> Seveas, need to use vnc
[05:33] <Seveas> noob, what are you trying to install?
[05:33] <Seveas> macarthy, ah ok. Sorry that I can't be more helpful than a 'here it works' message then...
[05:34] <noob> Skype for Linux
[05:34] <hippys> i cant install the screen package it says i need he tgetent what do i do?
[05:34] <Seveas> noob, yeah use the deb :)
[05:34] <noob> ok, i got it
[05:34] <Seveas> hippys, sptitude install screen
[05:34] <Andril> adapt, running the command now
[05:35] <TokenBad> I have vsftpd install and can connect..but the user I added says logon failed..but the user can get in through ssh..
[05:35] <TokenBad> any idea
[05:35] <adapt> TokenBad: you go through the vsftp config file?
[05:35] <Seveas> TokenBad, look at the vsftpd config...
[05:35] <hippys> Seveas whats that?
[05:35] <noob> I created a folder named sk2 at my personal folder and extracted the .deb files
[05:35] <TokenBad> I did..but didn't see anything about users
[05:35] <Seveas> hippys, screen is installed by default...
[05:36] <Seveas> noob, you shouldn't extract deb files
[05:36] <Mez> ARGH!
[05:36] <Seveas> noob, you should run dpkg -i filename_of_the_debfile.deb
[05:36] <Mez> GODAMNIT#
[05:36] <noob> oh... so whats the next step
[05:36] <Mez> my X session keeps restarting for NO APPARENT REASON
[05:36] <Mez> god this is annoying
[05:36] <noob> ok... hang a second ... im doing it
[05:36] <Seveas> hippys, what are you trying to accomplish?
[05:36] <hippys> Seveas is it default in ubuntu-amd64 too?
[05:36] <Seveas> hippys, afaik yes
[05:37] <pestilence> anybody here use fluxbox from universe?  i have a older box that i would like to run fluxbox on, and the version in universe is *extremely* slow...slower than KDE (and that's saying a lot...this is a 300 mhz celeron machine)
[05:37] <pestilence> i have removed .fluxbox, anything else i could try?
[05:37] <Mez> pestilence, works fine for me me :D
[05:37] <Mez> very fast too
[05:37] <pestilence> i don't understand why it's so slow.
[05:37] <CruJones> Hello guys
[05:37] <hippys> Seveas: how can i install php
[05:37] <pestilence> Mez: congratulations :)
[05:37] <Seveas> hippys, sudo aptitude install libapache2-mod-php4
[05:37] <xoz> pestilence: what about blackbox or openbox? openbox rocks AFAIK
[05:38] <JohnMurdoch> pestilence, have you tried the fluxbox in backports?
[05:38] <pestilence> xoz: mainly because i've used fluxbox extensively and so i'm quite used to it
[05:38] <hippys> Seveas: and how can i can get the libmad
[05:38] <Andril> adapt, how can I configure bind?
[05:38] <adapt> i dont use bind
[05:38] <pestilence> JohnMurdoch: no, i try to avoid using backports.  is it a significantly improved version?
[05:38] <Seveas> hippys, you mean for mo3 playback?
[05:38] <Seveas> mp3*
[05:38] <hippys> yes
[05:38] <adapt> you probably dont need a dns server
[05:39] <JohnMurdoch> pestilence, I believe it may resolve the slowness factor. This was discussed on the ubuntuforums AFAIK
[05:39] <hippys> i am trying to install mpg321
[05:39] <Seveas> hippys, sudo aptitude install gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:39] <xoz> pestilence: they bahave and look similar. openbox gives you more options.
[05:39] <kafeine> hippys, apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad ?
[05:39] <adapt> what are you trying to do? server in the bedroom style?
[05:39] <Seveas> hippys, sudo aptitude install mpg321
[05:39] <Seveas> :)
[05:39] <pestilence> xoz: i'll give it a shot.
[05:39] <TokenBad> Seveas, I did look at the vsftp config file..but didn't see anything about adding users
[05:39] <pestilence> JohnMurdoch: if openbox isn't what i'm looking for i'll try backports
[05:39] <pestilence> thanks.
[05:39] <JohnMurdoch> pestilence, why do you avoid using backports?
[05:39] <hippys> whats sudo for?
[05:39] <Seveas> TokenBad, afaik you need to enable local users to login
[05:39] <kafeine> hippys, super user
[05:39] <Seveas> hippys, it makes you run the command as root
[05:39] <hippys> ok
[05:39] <Andril> adapt, I own my domain via Register.com and are currently serving it using DNS2Go - can Bind take over?
[05:39] <Raskall> I got a new job today. Going to be the sysadmin of a linux company developing linux cluster solutions.
[05:40] <Seveas> Andril, yes
[05:40] <pestilence> Raskall: i hope you're not coming here for help :)
[05:40] <Seveas> Raskall, nice job
[05:40] <kafeine> lol
[05:40] <Raskall> I am rid of my firstline dsl support job.
[05:40] <Andril> Seveas, hook me up with the knowledge :)
[05:40] <TokenBad> Seveas, it is set to allow it
[05:40] <Raskall> I am quite happy now. :)
[05:40] <hippys> how can i set up the network
[05:40] <Seveas> Andril, aptitude install bind9
[05:40] <Seveas> and look at the docs
[05:40] <TokenBad> I set that before..figured needed it
[05:40] <Raskall> pestilence: nope.. :) Ubuntu is my home choice. My future employer use redhat and suse.
[05:40] <Seveas> it's been a while since i fucked up^W^Wplayed with bind
[05:41] <xoz> Raskall: what's the preferred distro in your company?
[05:41] <hippys> how can i set up the eth0 interface
[05:41] <Andril> Seveas, done
[05:41] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> Unix :}
[05:41] <Mez> anyone know where X crash logs are kept?
[05:41] <Seveas> hippys, wired or wireless?
[05:41] <hippys> wired
[05:41] <Seveas> Mez, /var/log/xorg.0.log
[05:41] <Raskall> xoz: for desktop use I guess I can choose what I want. The servers and the target platform for their product is redhat and suse.
[05:42] <noob> Seveas: Ok...after the command the terminal said Selecting package... Reading database... Extracting Skype... Installing Skype.... and finally prompt the command line again
[05:42] <Seveas> hippys, use the network configuring tool
[05:42] <Raskall> well.. got to go.. c ya
[05:42] <pestilence> xoz: openbox seems to suffer the same slowness.  strange.
[05:42] <Andril> Seveas, I see you are busy - I'll get back with you later
[05:42] <Seveas> hippys menu system->administration->networking
[05:42] <hippys> Seveas whats that tool?
[05:42] <Andril> adapt, thanks again -I'll be back on later
[05:42] <ivoks> any luck with ISDN anyone?
[05:42] <Seveas> noob, that means it's now installed :D
[05:42] <xoz> pestilence: hmm... something is not right... what about xfce? or blackbox or wmaker?
[05:43] <pestilence> xoz: well, i'm starting to wonder what the problem is.
[05:43] <JohnMurdoch> pestilence, the issue is documented in discussions on the forums
[05:43] <pestilence> JohnMurdoch: ok, i'll check it out.
[05:43] <xoz> pestilence: maybe, your xserver acceleration support has something to do with it.
[05:43] <noob> ok. I see at "internet" programs group a icon named Skype but when i clik on it nothing happens... should i restar ubuntu 4?
[05:43] <laxise> hi ....anyone .... how to install mc on ubuntu ???
[05:44] <Seveas> noob, in the terminal type 'skype' and see what happens
[05:44] <noob> ok
[05:44] <Seveas> laxise, sudo aptitude install mc
[05:44] <pestilence> xoz: seems possible
[05:44] <xoz> noob: linux is not windows where you have to restart to get things done... except kernel upgrade.
[05:44] <laxise> Seveas: thx
[05:44] <Seveas> laxise, you must have universe enabled
[05:44] <Seveas> laxise: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:45] <noob> oh-oh... i probably did something wrong... see the message after type skype:         skype: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared o bject file: No such file or directory
[05:45] <xoz> pestilence: slow in a sense that moving/resizing windows take time? what's your video card?
[05:45] <bob2> noob: install the libqt3-mt package
[05:45] <Seveas> noob, ah ok, skype requires kde
[05:45] <pestilence> xoz: no, it takes a very long time to load up.
[05:45] <laxise> Seveas: could you explain command sudo aptitude install
[05:46] <pestilence> xoz: longer than kde, which is depressing.
[05:46] <laxise> Seveas: a bit more ...
[05:46] <Seveas> laxise, sudo = run the following as root, aptitude = the package manager, install = let the package manager install the following
[05:47] <Myrtti> hrm
[05:47] <laxise> Seveas: where is aptitude located basicaly on Ubuntu???
[05:47] <noob> oh,no... So Should I change my graph interface to kde ? I use gnome....
[05:47] <xoz> pestilence: try strace startfluxbox
[05:47] <Seveas> noob, sudo aptitude install libqt3c102-mt
[05:47] <pestilence> xoz: but the xserver is doing a lot of work when it loads...so perhaps there is something wrong in the configuration of it.
[05:47] <noob> ok
[05:47] <Seveas> laxise: type this: slocate aptitude
[05:47] <likkashot> hello people
[05:48] <xoz> yep. how big is your ram?
[05:48] <bob2> noob: no, there's no need to use kde
[05:48] <pestilence> xoz: ok, i'll do that in a minute.  i want to see what has been said in the forums
[05:48] <macarthy> looks like there is a known bug with amd64  vnc, fixed upstream
[05:48] <likkashot> is this a help place cause I need some :)
[05:48] <cary> hah...i do too
[05:49] <cary> is anyone other than us even around?
[05:50] <Seveas> likkashot, this is indeed a help channel
[05:50] <likkashot> I just dont remember how to ad an extra NIC card
[05:50] <mic_> I just sit and watch and learn
[05:50] <Seveas> just state your problem and hope for help :)
[05:50] <likkashot> it integrated but not discovered
[05:50] <mic_> don't feel I have much to contribute yet
[05:50] <noob> terminal returned:  could not find any package that match libqt....
[05:50] <Seveas> likkashot, plug it in your pc, start your pc and use the network config tool
[05:50] <TokenBad> how can I find out if have a program using port 21?
[05:50] <likkashot> I did not install the nvidia drivers yet
[05:51] <Seveas> likkashot, nforce motherboard?
[05:51] <ggeller> TokenBad: netstat -ant
[05:51] <likkashot> yes
[05:51] <keikoz> TokenBad port 21 is just used by ftp server
[05:51] <cary> well a question to ANYONE...i cant figure out how to install basically anything
[05:51] <likkashot> nforce 4 ultra
[05:51] <Seveas> TokenBad, netstat -l -t
[05:51] <Seveas> likkashot, type this: echo forcedeth | sudo tee -a /etc/modules && sudo modprobe forcedeth
[05:51] <likkashot> do I have to create eth1 by my self
[05:51] <likkashot> ok
[05:52] <cary> im Very new to linux and cant seem to make anything install. i get the hqx (i think) and either nothing is in it or its all the files i need to install but i dont either have an installer front end and i cant get terminal to run the file i DO have
[05:52] <TokenBad> ok now how can I kill it?
[05:53] <Seveas> carlos, you install stuff via the package manager (meny system->administration)
[05:53] <Seveas> cary, you install stuff via the package manager (meny system->administration)
[05:53] <cary> ahha
[05:53] <arkainium> I think one of my hard drives is failing.  Is there some tool I can use to check it?
[05:53] <Seveas> cary, if you look for something and can't find it there,
[05:53] <Seveas> cary: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:53] <mjr> arkainium, try smartmontools
[05:53] <Seveas> read that too
[05:53] <cary> will do
[05:53] <zyth> arkainium, check the manufacturer's website, most have diagnostic tools
[05:54] <Seveas> cary, and if you are looking for specific things: the package manager has a search function, and you can also ask here
[05:54] <arkainium> zyth, the problem is I don't have a floppy drive on that computer.
[05:54] <likkashot> what afeter the command Seveas
[05:54] <cary> seveas, another question is i had i was wanting to install MOL and it gave me a "deb http://www.blahblahbl" line. what do i do with that? i coudlnt for my life figure that mess out
[05:54] <nJess> hey, can ubuntu play a DVD on a clean install?
[05:55] <zyth> arkainium, can you make a bootable CD or USB?
[05:55] <nJess> if not, what do i need to get?
[05:55] <zyth> nJess, depends, commercial or not?
[05:55] <bob2> nJess: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:55] <deffy> Ok, so why is it hat I've followed every single wiki related to wifi and they still don't work
[05:55] <Seveas> likkashot, you should than have an eth1
[05:55] <arkainium> zyth, hmm.. I'll give it a shot.
[05:55] <likkashot> ok
[05:55] <Seveas> otherwise, reboot and it should be there
[05:55] <Lafitte-> has anyone got Ricoh cardbus to work in ubuntu yet ?
[05:55] <bob2> cary: MOL and friends are in ubuntu already...
[05:55] <cpayan> is there a particular reason the installer stopped asking me for a root password?
[05:55] <bob2> Lafitte-: is that supported by ubuntu at all?
[05:55] <bob2> cpayan: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:56] <Seveas> deffy, that's because wifi is underdeveloped in linux
[05:56] <bob2> cpayan: the installer did explain it to you
[05:56] <Seveas> cpayan: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:56] <bob2> Seveas: well, that's not realy true
[05:56] <noob> Seveas, I know you are busy but dont forget about me..:-)
[05:56] <Lafitte-> bob2,  i havent got it to work  in anythng linux   but always looking
[05:56] <bob2> it's more because some cards have no documentation
[05:56] <sam2> nJess, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[05:56] <Lafitte-> bob2,  it shows up in lspci
[05:56] <Seveas> bob2, well wpa/802.1x is underdeveloped...
[05:56] <cary> seveas, also, i plan to dual boot os x and ubuntu, and i saw some debian suggested partitioning list. like a partition for this, that, os x, etc. but i cant find it again. where is there a good place for me to figure out how to partition my 80g HD?
[05:56] <deffy> I mean I've tried to get my USB wifi thingy to work 3 different ways and all of them do not work or cannot be done
[05:56] <bob2> WPA is kinda niche, tho
[05:56] <Seveas> noob, have you installed libgt3c102-mt?
[05:56] <cary> (or..i guess that question is to anyone)
[05:57] <bob2> deffy: and what sort of "usb wifi thingy" is it?
[05:57] <Seveas> bob2, 802.1x not
[05:57] <Seveas> and wpa is gaining popularity fast
[05:57] <cary> bob2, is it under applicatinos or something?
[05:57] <zyth> USB WiFi is generally bad :/
[05:57] <TokenBad> hmm
[05:57] <bob2> Seveas: x = b/g?
[05:57] <arkainium> zyth, they actually even offer a cd image, so I guess I'll give it a go.
[05:57] <deffy> Belkin USB Wifi Adaptor model F5D7050
[05:57] <zyth> arkainium, there you go :)
[05:57] <Seveas> 802.1x = authentication
[05:57] <noob> i dont know... how can i verify it ?
[05:57] <bob2> ah
[05:57] <bob2> I've not heard of it...
[05:57] <TokenBad> Seveas, I did the netstat..says glftpd is using it..but when try to do ps -ef | grep gl
[05:57] <bob2> deffy: is it too late to return it?
[05:57] <TokenBad> its not listed
[05:58] <Seveas> noob, i have to go for a few minute, can you please send me a private message so i will not forget you :)
[05:58] <deffy> ndiswrapper doesn't work, it freezes when I modprobed
[05:58] <cpayan> ok, should have read a little closer then... the nba finals were on, come on... i have the strangest feeling that i was able to log in as root on saturday though
[05:58] <spiral> hi
[05:58] <Lafitte-> f5d6050 didnt work
[05:58] <bob2> deffy: is it too late to return it and get a working one?
[05:58] <noob> ok seveas... thnx
[05:58] <deffy> bob2: yeah unfortunatly, it works great on my windows partition
[05:58] <Seveas> TokenBad, that's because it's spawned via inetd i guess
[05:58] <bob2> ouch
[05:58] <bob2> oh well
[05:58] <likkashot> I must be doing something wrong
[05:58] <TokenBad> ok...so how do I kill it?
[05:59] <Lafitte-> bob2,  what usb wireless does work ?
[05:59] <Ober> lafitte smc2662w
[05:59] <dooglus_> I'm trying to install ubuntu onto an old PC, but I can't get it to boot from the installation CD.  Is there any way I can install without booting from the CD?  I have WinXP and Fedora currently bootable on the PC
[05:59] <bob2> Lafitte-: I've personally used a netgear ma-111 with few problems
[05:59] <bob2> it's still pretty shit, tho
[05:59] <Lafitte-> bob2,  ndiswrapper ??
[05:59] <deffy> I tried also loading up the rt2500 chipset drivers to get it to work... got all the way to raconfig2500
[05:59] <bob2> Lafitte-: nope
[05:59] <Lafitte-> bob2,  oh kewl
[05:59] <bob2> buying a usb device that requires ndiswrapper seems kidna silly
[06:00] <xoz> dooglus_: maybe you should boot with 2.6 kernel. are you using SATA?
[06:00] <mic_> I tried the rt2500 drivers but the settings were always lost on reboot
[06:00] <zyth> deffy, apparently Linuxant's thingy works with it, from a google.
[06:00] <deffy> Driverloader?
[06:00] <deffy> Nope
[06:00] <deffy> my system locks up while configuring it
[06:00] <termite> hey
[06:00] <bob2> haha
[06:00] <dooglus_> xoz: I don't know.  What's SATA?
[06:00] <bob2> yay binary drivers
[06:00] <deffy> and the whole time the system does not see the Belkin as a Network Device
[06:00] <zyth> is this a desktop or notebook?
[06:00] <stimpie> is there a tool to add nfs shares in ubuntu? for the client I mean.
[06:00] <cary> anyone, is where is MOL on a general installation of ubuntu?
[06:00] <deffy> but as a USB device that it has no idea what to do with it
[06:01] <deffy> desktop
[06:01] <bob2> stimpie: just mount them as normal in /etc/fstab
[06:01] <bob2> cary: no where, you need to install it
[06:01] <stimpie> bob2, yeah I know but I would like a graphical tool
[06:01] <zyth> you may wind up having to get a supported PCI NIC if that's an option, or some ethernet cable.
[06:02] <deffy> well I'm using eth0 right now
[06:02] <zyth> *nods*
[06:02] <cary> bob2, that is what i was trying to do but i couldnt ever get a hold of the MOL install stuff. but once i did (no idea how to, the site i found is confusing) i'd use pacakge manager? and that is...where?
[06:02] <likkashot> Seveas I dont even have a modules folder
[06:02] <bob2> cary: eh?
[06:02] <deffy> but my room is upstairs and the router is down here, and I want the set up upstairs because all my gear is up there
[06:02] <zyth> deffy, yeah, I can't find anything except an instance where one guy got that working with driverloader
[06:02] <bob2> cary: ignore any websites you've read
[06:02] <zyth> deffy, and you're saying it crashes on you so...
[06:03] <deffy> zyth: it crashes after tellimg me no devices can be found
[06:03] <cary> bob2, okay. i'll just tell you what im trying to do.
[06:03] <deffy> even though the adaptor is fully identified by the system
[06:03] <zyth> deffy, have you checked Device Manager and seen if the device is listed?
[06:03] <bob2> cary: and install the mol-modules-source package using synaptic
[06:03] <zyth> Oh ok sounds like it
[06:03] <deffy> I mean device manager knows who makes it and what it is
[06:03] <bob2> cary: it's not going to be simple, tho; if you're not comfortable with linux, I'd just do the reboot thing for now
[06:03] <zyth> yeah
[06:03] <deffy> just doesn't seem to put 2 and 2 together
[06:04] <bob2> adding a device manager on top of hal was a mistake
[06:04] <zyth> and you made sure you had the right .inf and .sys files?
[06:04] <deffy> yes, using the files from the cd
[06:04] <deffy> is that part of my problem trying to use files directly off the cd?
[06:04] <mic_> gotta run
[06:05] <cary> bob2, this is how new i am. i vaguely know what synaptic is, but id ont know where to get it or if i have it, or how to use it. and what do you mean "reboot thing"
[06:05] <zyth> Shouldn't be, I've used ndiswrapper in the past, and I just used my default files, but are you sure the files you used were for your specific nic?  Sometimes those CDs have multiple drivers on them?
[06:05] <bob2> cary: I mean "Setting up MOL is going to be very very difficult for you, especially if you don't have an experienced friend to help you.  If I were you, I'd just deal with rebooting into macos every now and then."
[06:05] <kudzubane> cary: it should be installed if you did a default install
[06:05] <deffy> no just has the one driver
[06:06] <kudzubane> cary: explore your menus in gnome :)
[06:06] <bob2> cary: synaptic = "system -> administration -> package manager" menu on the top of the screen, btw
[06:06] <cary> bob2, okay. i need to get a linux friend. i am sort of trying this for fun. i miss LiteStep from way back when i had a PC and i have wanted to know linxu for a while now. note to self: get linxu friend
[06:06] <deffy> ok zyth, found this on the ndiswrapper system
[06:06] <deffy> er wiki
[06:06] <deffy> Other: SuSE 9.1, kernel-2.6.x-smp: doesn't work, 'modprobe ndiswrapper' freezes the system.
[06:06] <bob2> cary: hah
[06:07] <deffy> was under my usb adaptor
[06:07] <zyth> ahh
[06:07] <bob2> smp and ndiswrapper is asking for trouble
[06:07] <cary> bob2: so a package is the hqx thing, right?
[06:07] <bob2> cary: I don't know what "hqx" is
[06:07] <zyth> deffy, try switching to non-smp
[06:07] <pestilence> xoz: so what should i do with the trace produced by "strace startfluxbox"?
[06:07] <kudzubane> cary: hqx is a mac os thing
[06:08] <kudzubane> cary: under ubuntu, packages has .deb extension
[06:08] <cary> bob2: okay say i have some bit of software i want. how do i get it? do i get the source? do i try to find a Deb installer? and then, assuming i find what i need...does the package manager find know what to do with wha ti downloaded?
[06:08] <zyth> deffy, if you've got a P4, just apt-get install linux-686
[06:08] <bob2> cary: you use the package manager exclusively, and it download and installs things for you
[06:09] <deffy> I've got an AMD
[06:09] <bob2> cary: no need for source, no need to download things manually
[06:09] <Quest-Master> Hindi and Urdu Ubuntu users-- #ubuntu-hi and #ubuntu-ur
[06:09] <zyth> deffy, linux-K7 I think then
[06:09] <cary> kudzunbane: thanks. what does it mean when i see a line like "deb http://blah.blah.blah" talking about some sort of installation?
[06:09] <deffy> ok
[06:09] <zyth> deffy, synaptic can help :)
[06:09] <zyth> brb
[06:09] <cary> bob2: nice! thanks! i feel like a 13 year old
[06:09] <deffy> I'm a linux newbie, I'm using it for my day to day stuff
[06:10] <kudzubane> cary: it means a package is being installed and the http:// lists where the package is located
[06:10] <synd> zy
[06:10] <bob2> cary: heh, it is all new and weird when you start
[06:10] <cary> kudzubane: but do i put that line in terminal or the package thing? i just dont understand context for the syntax
[06:10] <moparfan90_> when i go in to a program the icon thing doesnt show up on the bottom where it should. how do i make it do that?????
[06:10] <deffy> ok getting K7
[06:10] <cary> bob2: any suggestions of how to partition my HD for dual booting?
[06:11] <kudzubane> cary: use the nice package management gui provided (synaptic, as previously mentioned)
[06:11] <bob2> moparfan90_: is the program actually running?
[06:11] <kudzubane> cary: if want to do the command line thing, you will need to familiarize yourself with apt (see debian site for more details)
[06:11] <moparfan90_> yeah
[06:12] <deffy> I have to keep Windows so I can operate my audio gear, but like using Linux for day to day stuff, surfing the web, email, so I don't bog down Pro Tools
[06:12] <bob2> cary: give ubuntu at least a few GB
[06:12] <cary> kudzubane: same question i asked bob2: any suggestions of how to partition my HD for dual booting?
[06:12] <moparfan90_> like the chat
[06:12] <cary> bob2: well i saw some debian part. chart that was saying like 4 partitions
[06:12] <moparfan90_> any ideas
[06:12] <cary> bob2: a few gigs for ubuntu, and a lot for os x
[06:12] <bob2> cary: mac os X does weird thigns with hard disks
[06:13] <bob2> cary: it wants like 4 partitions
[06:13] <bob2> cary: well, it depends what you want to do
[06:13] <cary> bob2: well it was a website (i know im supposed to ignore them!)
[06:13] <bob2> hah
[06:13] <bob2> I just meant on the topic of MOL, since they're going to make it even more complicated
[06:13] <moparfan90_> does any one know how to make the icon show up on the bottom of the screen when your running the program and when it min.
[06:14] <deffy> zyth: so after K7 is done, what am I going to want to do?
[06:14] <cary> bob2: it was saying something for like..each OS's native area, and then one for a FAT32 area for ease of file sharing b/w OSs and then like  one other really small allocation for some other debian somethign or other
[06:14] <bob2> moparfan90_: if it's running, it'll be there
[06:14] <moparfan90_> yeah but its not???? why
[06:15] <bob2> I have no idea
[06:15] <nern> hi
[06:15] <bob2> why don't you tell us what you're trying to run?
[06:15] <moparfan90_> o
[06:15] <moparfan90_> any thing
[06:15] <moparfan90_> the chat any program
[06:16] <moparfan90_> i just what it to be there so i can minamize it and come baxk to it and it will be there
[06:16] <bob2> "want"?
[06:16] <moparfan90_> yeah
[06:16] <bob2> so, perhaps what you mean is "When I start programs, they show up in the taskbar at the bottom, but when I minimise the program, it disappears."?
[06:17] <moparfan90_> no there never there at all. sorry for being unclear
[06:17] <zyth> deffy, reboot, then remove all the ndiswrapper stuff, and go through the set up of it again according to the Wiki
[06:18] <bob2> so, perhaps there is no taskbar at all
[06:18] <deffy> ok, already removed the driver using ndiswrapper -e, that what you mean or something more complicated
[06:18] <moparfan90_> is the taskbar the one on the bottom?
[06:18] <moparfan90_> i just installed it
[06:18] <rndrdbrian> quick question. Booted into ubuntu today. I now have a missing right mouse button menu.
[06:18] <bob2> in what way is it missing?
[06:19] <bob2> moparfan90_: right click on the bottom bar.  add to panel.  window list. ok.
[06:19] <deffy> ok zyth, rebooting, wish me luck on attempt #44
[06:19] <rndrdbrian> in that I right click on the desktop, no menu!
[06:19] <cary> is it possible to for ubuntu to use two monitors? my CRT shows up as white when i boot normally
[06:19] <moparfan90_> oo.ok thanks:D
[06:19] <bob2> rndrdbrian: so, does it work elsewhere?
[06:20] <mjr> cary, it is, but I think you have to manually configure it
[06:20] <bob2> cary: depending on hardware, yes, but you have to configure it manually
[06:20] <cary> cool.
[06:20] <SS2> hi
[06:20] <SS2> i have a problem with sound-juicer
[06:20] <rndrdbrian> bob2, the mouse right button *does* work, I can select with the rmb in xterm, and I get the "add to panel" menu if I right click on the top menubar
[06:20] <SS2> cant ripp to mp3
[06:20] <moparfan90_> ok. bye
[06:21] <Otrayo> hi, can anyone tell me how to setup ubuntu so that i can ping the localhost/<IP_ADDRESS>
[06:21] <zyth> SS2, install gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:21] <Seveas> bob2, do you happen to know any good tutorials or describing websites on how to write a good xoerg.con/XF86config-4 ..?
[06:21] <bob2> rndrdbrian: run "nautilus" from a terminal, then see if it works again
[06:21] <SS2> zyth: i did that
[06:21] <bob2> Otrayo: it works out of the box
[06:21] <SS2> gstreamer0.8-lame is also installed
[06:21] <bob2> Otrayo: did you enable a "firewall" or such?
[06:21] <zyth> hm.
[06:21] <cary> general question: so in short to dual boot i need to reinstall the OS, reboot to CD, partition hd, then install ubuntu? do i need more than 2 partitions, possibly 3 if i want a FAT32 file sharing area?
[06:21] <razorback> whats a good program for burning audio cds and such?
[06:21] <thenuke> razorback: k3b
[06:21] <razorback> thanks
[06:21] <Otrayo> bob2: doesnt seem so...i can even ping the localhost, and i just did the default install
[06:21] <SS2> zyth: i also did the wiki
[06:21] <Otrayo> *cant even ping it
[06:22] <rndrdbrian> bob2, running nautilus brings it back.....
[06:22] <zyth> SS2, try grip then
[06:22] <plus|Subterfuge> Need help configuring USB Dongle relating to a wireless network. Drivers and such
[06:22] <bob2> rndrdbrian: system -> preferences -> session, make sure nautilus is listed
[06:22] <zyth> SS2, should be in synaptic
[06:22] <rndrdbrian> listed in startup?
[06:22] <bob2> Otrayo: paste the output of "ifconfig lo" to #flood
[06:22] <zyth> deffy, any luck?
[06:22] <bob2> rndrdbrian: yeah
[06:22] <bob2> plus|Subterfuge: you need to be a lot more specific.  tell us what model and chispet it is
[06:23] <rndrdbrian> bob2, strangely enough, it isn't
[06:23] <plus|Subterfuge> ok bob2
[06:23] <deffy> going to reconfig Ndiswrapper now
[06:23] <zyth> deffy, and have you checked https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto?highlight=%28ndiswrapper%29 ?
[06:23] <alemao> does anyone knows if ubuntu the firewall is running after installation ?
[06:23] <Otrayo> 2 secs bob2
[06:23] <bob2> Seveas: you never need to write them from scratch anymore, so driver manpages (e.g. 'man ati') are usually all you need
[06:23] <bob2> alemao: no, there's no firewall and no need for one
[06:23] <Seveas> bob2, I know, I'm just curious
[06:24] <deffy> zyth, yeah and I get loads of errors by following those instructions
[06:24] <dieter> hi!
[06:24] <plus|Subterfuge> The USB Dongle is a TopCom Skyr@cer wireless USB stick 54 Mbps
[06:24] <dieter> anyone done an APT-GET to install gdesklets ?
[06:24] <zyth> deffy, is your system AMD64 or 32 bit?
[06:24] <plus|Subterfuge> What I need is drivers that work with ubuntu, and how to set up the wireless network
[06:24] <dieter> which source do you guys use ?
[06:24] <alemao> bob2, no vulnerable porta ?
[06:24] <Seveas> dieter, yes
[06:24] <rndrdbrian> bob2, thanks for the help. that seems to have been the problem.
[06:24] <bob2> alemao: indeed
[06:24] <plus|Subterfuge> I have found this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/zd1211/
[06:24] <bob2> rndrdbrian: np, it is weird it wasn't there by default
[06:24] <Otrayo> bob2: do you mind waiting while i reconnect from my ubuntu notebook?
[06:24] <bob2> Otrayo: no
[06:24] <bob2> plus|Subterfuge: is it too late to return it?
[06:24] <plus|Subterfuge> will they work for the USB stick?
[06:25] <plus|Subterfuge> hehe
[06:25] <cary> bob2 and seveas and everyone who helped, thanks. i'll be back.
[06:25] <plus|Subterfuge> I think so :D
[06:25] <rndrdbrian> bob2, *shrug*, such are computers, they do strange things sometime
[06:25] <bob2> heh
[06:25] <Otrayo> bob2: 2 secs
[06:25] <deffy> zyth: it's whatever the AMD 2400+ is,
[06:25] <dieter> Seveas, which source did you use (I'm from Belgium btw)
[06:25] <zyth> deffy, 32bit, k.
[06:25] <rndrdbrian> well, must go.
[06:25] <rndrdbrian> thanks for the help
[06:25] <Seveas> dieter, archive.ubuntu.com
[06:25] <dieter> that's weird ...
[06:26] <dieter> package name is gdesklets ? :)
[06:26] <bob2> yes
[06:26] <Otrayo> exit
[06:26] <zyth> deffy, yeah, beyond https://wiki.ubuntu.com/forum/hardware/ndiswrapper I can't tell you much else to try.
[06:26] <alemao> other question, is possible to install wine (wineX, or cedega) to run some programs for windows in Ubuntu ?
[06:26] <zyth> alemao, I have Morrowind and World of Warcraft running.
[06:26] <bob2> alemao: sure, but cedega costs money
[06:26] <deffy> zyth, I could shoot the wifi adaptor and bury it in the back yard
[06:27] <zyth> deffy, do that, and buy a PCI NIC that is Linux-friendly :)
[06:27] <dieter> I have : deb http://be.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[06:27] <dieter> deb-src http://be.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[06:27] <alemao> zyth, using wine ?
[06:27] <bob2> plus|Subterfuge: so...which bit are you stuck on?
[06:27] <zyth> alemao, cedega
[06:27] <zyth> but like bob2 says, it's commercial
[06:27] <bob2> dieter: note that be.archive.ubuntu.com points at archive.ubuntu.com at the moment, anyway
[06:28] <deffy> zyth, still locks up at modprobe
[06:28] <synd> sudo tar xvf <tar file>  to extract .tar file, right?
[06:28] <Seveas> dieter, you might need universe
[06:28] <Seveas> dieter: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:28] <plus|Subterfuge> Well, just about everything. I found those drivers a couple of mins ago and was just wondering if they seem to be the right ones for my stick
[06:28] <Seveas> dieter: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[06:28] <bob2> synd: yes
[06:28] <dieter> ow ...
[06:28] <plus|Subterfuge> but it is probably not.
[06:28] <synd> i can never remember
[06:28] <alemao> what is best video board (pci, because my motherboard no AGP) to buy ?
[06:28] <dieter> Seveas, I'll have a look at tge site ... thanks!
[06:28] <zyth> deffy, I'm thinking it's the USB-ness of the thing.  That, or some weird hardware conflict.  You're probably best off to get an internal, supported PCI nic. :(
[06:28] <Otrayo> bob2: i was messing with settings before joining here...seems a restart did the trick, but tnx for being will to help anyway
[06:29] <alemao> other question .. exist software to p2p in ubuntu ? which
[06:29] <deffy> zyth, great, spending more money on this thing
[06:29] <zyth> deffy, can you return your USB nic?
[06:30] <deffy> no, it's too late
[06:30] <dieter> by the way ... ubuntu in VMware ROCKS :d
[06:30] <bob2> Otrayo: something somehow stopped the loopback interface from coming up, perhaps someone ctrl-c'd the network scripts at boot or something
[06:30] <zyth> deffy, : :(
[06:30] <Otrayo> mmmm....possibly
[06:30] <alan_> hello
[06:30] <Otrayo> bob2: do you know anything about MySQL?
[06:30] <zyth> alemao, probably, but I don't use p2p so I don't know what packages.
[06:30] <dieter> yes, installing desklets
[06:30] <dieter> Seveas, thanks it is installing!
[06:31] <alemao> zyth, did you make install wine via apt-get ?
[06:31] <bob2> Otrayo: enough to not use it ;p
[06:31] <alan_> i know about mysql in win not linux but both are the same
[06:31] <deffy> zyth: well hopefully I won't be the only person getting frustrated with usb wifi adaptors and figure something out
[06:31] <zyth> alemao, no, I used cedega and installed their .deb packages
[06:31] <Otrayo> bob2: hehe...ok, i'll ask in open chan
[06:31] <Otrayo> alan_: how do you specify which host to connect to a mysql database on?
[06:31] <zyth> deffy, yeah, hopefully.  USB ethernet is generally evil imo anyways.
[06:31] <Otrayo> alan_: from the command line
[06:31] <alemao> zyth, oh ok .. thanks information
[06:31] <synd> after i tar xvzf <.tar> i get this error: gzip: stdin: not in gzip format || tar: Child returned status 1
[06:32] <Otrayo> mmm...
[06:32] <Seveas> synd, drop the z
[06:32] <alemao> anyone from Brazil here ?
[06:32] <Seveas> tar xvf bla.tar
[06:32] <bob2> synd: z = gunzip the file first
[06:32] <zyth> xvjpf ;)
[06:33] <TokenBad> guess going to install ubuntu again
[06:33] <TokenBad> since can't figure this out
[06:33] <Otrayo> how do i connect to a mysql on another host, i.e. <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:33] <synd> sudo tar xvf ~/Desktop/gDesklets-0.35rc1.tar.bz2 || tar: This does not look like a tar archive || tar: Skipping to next header || tar: Archive contains obsolescent base-64 headers || tar: Read 108 bytes from /home/phillip/Desktop/gDesklets-0.35rc1.tar.bz2
[06:33] <deffy> zyth: yeah but if things keep going they way they do in the windows world, it'll be the wave of the future
[06:33] <synd> got that :/
[06:33] <zyth> synd, tar -xvjpf
[06:33] <synd> ack ok
[06:33] <zyth> it's bzip2'd
[06:34] <bob2> Otrayo: with the mysql client tool? mysql -h <IP_ADDRESS>
[06:34] <JohnMurdoch> synd, someone posted a .deb of the latest version of gDesklets to the ubuntu forums, check the backports section of threads
[06:34] <JSH> is it a bad idea to mount a NTFS partition as RW?
[06:34] <pfp> hmm, is there something wrong w/ the gdesklets in universe
[06:34] <synd> JohnMurdoch: ah really? thanks
[06:34] <Seveas> JSH, it's impossible :)
[06:34] <Seveas> unless you use captive ntfs
[06:34] <JSH> have managed so far....
[06:34] <JohnMurdoch> synd, roger
[06:34] <deffy> alright well I am going to install a new sound card and then move my comp back upstairs, thanks for your help
[06:34] <zyth> deffy, I don't know, I fix PCs for a living, and I see a TON of USB devices that just won't work properly showing up.  People are always happier with 'real' hardware.  USB just generally seems 'easier'
[06:35] <zyth> np hope things work out for you
[06:35] <Otrayo> bob2: and if i wanna specify the database?
[06:35] <bob2> Otrayo: same as you would on local host
[06:35] <Seveas> -d databasename
[06:37] <s2pc2> hola
[06:37] <debater> Is it a bad idea to install Ubuntu (5.04) without a network connection?
[06:37] <Otrayo> bob2: i'm troubleshooting a problem i'm having to connect to a MySQL database on the localhost via Java. I want to see if i can do it normally from the command line so that i can figure out whether the problem is with the database or my java coding...for java it would be jdbc:mysql://localhost/database
[06:37] <bob2> debater: it's fine
[06:37] <Otrayo> bob2: what would it be from the command line
[06:38] <debater> thx bob2
[06:38] <s2pc2> eso diselo a adolfo
[06:38] <JSH> didn't check the writing :(
[06:38] <debater> How do I configure the network afterwards?
[06:38] <bob2> debater: by editing /etc/network/interfaces
[06:38] <debater> (I have a cable modem)
[06:38] <zyth> should be DHCP then
[06:39] <isai> good morning!
[06:39] <bob2> Otrayo: mysql database
[06:39] <Madeye>  * */8 * * * in crontab means ?
[06:39] <debater> cool, thx guys
[06:39] <bob2> heh, javas another thing I steer well clear of
[06:39] <isai> how do I get vi to color code different file types?
[06:40] <bob2> :syntax on
[06:40] <isai> bob2: thanks, is there a config file I can change to automatically do it?
[06:41] <E0x> ~/.vimrc
[06:41] <E0x> i think
[06:41] <bob2> echo syntax on > ~/.vimrc
[06:41] <bob2> yeah
[06:42] <Fabian> good evening everyone
[06:42] <Fabian> some people never end having problems...... :(
[06:42] <isai> I just added 'syntax on' to the /etc/vim/vimrc file. Thanks a lot!
[06:43] <SS2> zyth: thank you, seems to work with grib better
[06:43] <zyth> SS2, np
[06:44] <Fabian> got a Problem: I have the following paritions on my Harddisk: Windows (NTFS), Files (Fat32), Linux Swap, ext3    Why can't  add another partition behind the ext3?
[06:44] <isai> Another question, when I maximize xterm in gnome the last line in the terminal is slightly below the bottom taskbar. Its annoying. Why does it do that?
[06:44] <we2by> any one have vmware running on amd64?
[06:44] <E0x> the mother of all you problem Fabian is one "Windows"
[06:44] <debater> Fab: Are they all primary partitions?
[06:44] <bob2> Fabian: you can only have 4 primary partitions, or windows will bitch
[06:45] <pfp> Fabian: one of the first 4 partitions needs to be an extended part. that holds the rest if you need >= 5
[06:45] <pfp> ... and are using a DOS partition table
[06:45] <Fabian> E0x, debater, bob2, pfp Files is an extended partition
[06:46] <Fabian> I got 3 prime and one logical so far
[06:46] <debater> hmmm not sure what the prob is then
[06:46] <TokenBad> in vsftpd how can I change the defualt port from 21?
[06:47] <swarm> Do you have a guide or better any deb package to setup a 32 bit chroot under Ubuntu Hoary?
[06:47] <bob2> TokenBad: why do you want to do that?
[06:47] <bob2> swarm: debootstrap
[06:47] <E0x> TokenBad edit the config of vsftpd and looking for a line that say something about port listen
[06:47] <TokenBad> cause I can't figure out how to get this other damn program to stop fucking with port 21
[06:47] <swarm> bob2: what does it do?
[06:47] <TokenBad> there is a data port
[06:47] <bob2> swarm: create chroots
[06:47] <TokenBad> but that is for download and upload connections
[06:48] <TokenBad> not the listen port
[06:48] <Fabian> anyone an idea, what I can do about my partitions?
[06:48] <bob2> TokenBad: a non-ftp-server is listening on port 21?
[06:48] <TokenBad> its pureftp
[06:48] <hodgman> hey, does anyone know of a gnome applet that displays mutiple time zones at the same time in the panel?
[06:48] <TokenBad> but I can't seem to kill it
[06:48] <debater> Fab: gives us a more detailed part map
[06:48] <bob2> TokenBad: so, remove it then
[06:48] <TokenBad> how
[06:48] <foodcoman> How can I get apt to upgrade the following?
[06:49] <foodcoman> libavcodeccvs libpostproc0 libxvidcore4 mplayer-386
[06:49] <foodcoman> The following packages have been kept back:
[06:49] <bob2> TokenBad: with synaptic or whatever you normally use
[06:49] <Fabian> Seveas, ya here?
[06:49] <foodcoman> Came up with a dist-upgrade.
[06:50] <laxise> does anyone know how to find out my OWN IP really quick???
[06:50] <E0x> TokenBad
[06:50] <E0x> listen_port
[06:50] <E0x>     If vsftpd is in standalone mode, this is the port it will listen on for incoming FTP connections.
[06:50] <E0x>     Default: 21
[06:50] <jfk303> can someone who's running rythmbox drag around the vertical bar separating the 'source' panel from the 'browser' panel all around? Does it move soothly or jerkily?
[06:50] <pfp> hmm.. is it possible to direct different gnome apps' sound to different
[06:50] <foodcoman> ifconfig
[06:50] <Lafitte-> laxise, IFCONFIG
[06:50] <pfp> [fat fingers, sorry]
[06:51] <Lafitte-> no caps
[06:51] <Fabian> debater, what exactly do you need?
[06:52] <laxise> Lafitte: thx
[06:52] <pfp> is it possible to direct different gnome apps' sound to different outputs on a multichannel card? (it's possible w/ alsa and xmms)
[06:52] <dabi> is there any video codec pack? i just installed ubuntu to my laptop and i need some basic codecs like avi mpeg xvid divx and cook for realvideo
[06:52] <yakk> dabi, w32codecs & w32codecs-lite I think
[06:52] <yahalom> anyone compared ubuntu to fc4?
[06:52] <bob2> dabi: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:53] <bob2> yahalom: you're not going to get a useful answer unless yo utry both
[06:53] <dabi> yakk: apt-get?
[06:53] <swarm> bob2: I need such chroot 32 bit to build source code developed having in mind 32 bit. Is it better pbuilder? I have just checked something and man debootstrap says that. Right?
[06:53] <yakk> dabi, I may have gotten that from: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[06:53] <yakk> dabi, but I got the instructions from where bob2 says I think
[06:54] <bob2> swarm: if you code is 32-bit-specific and isn't assembler, it's broken
[06:54] <dabi> ok thnx both :)
[06:54] <yahalom> bob2, i tried fc3 and the chose ubuntu. if fc4 is much like fc3 then i know my choice.
[06:54] <bob2> swarm: fix it so it compiles on amd64
[06:54] <yakk> whats the status of an inotify enabled kernel in breezy - I see it in the changelog, but not in my boot messages or /dev/
[06:54] <bob2> swarm: if you want to compile binaries for i386, then a chroto is the way to go
[06:54] <bob2> swarm: pbuilder is more annoying if you want to work inside the chroot
[06:55] <cyclone> synic <3
[06:56] <swarm> bob2: yes itsn't my code but to see if it's really broken, not having another 32 bit platform I would like to compile source on both 32 and 64 to see what is wrong in source and what is wrong for my mistake. Ok, so I won't use pbuilder. Thanks.
[06:56] <_kevin> I'm trying to compile PyGTK-2.6.2 from source and ig et an error message saying headers required to compile python extensions... not found configure: error: could not find Python headers
[06:57] <_kevin> where can i get the nessesary Python headers?
[06:57] <bob2> why do you want 2.6.2 in particular?
[06:57] <_kevin> i checked to install a program
[06:57] <r0bby> they need to put qmail into the apt repository
[06:58] <_kevin> 2.6.2 is the latest version
[06:58] <r0bby> :)
[06:58] <pestilence> so i think i have conquered this fluxbox problem, and the solution doesn't seem to be found in the forums...
[06:58] <pestilence> fluxbox was taking *forever* to load.
[06:58] <_kevin> ok this si program I'm trying to install ---> http://parano.berlios.de/  and if u read the bottom it tells you what you need
[06:59] <pestilence> by changing two lines in ~/.fluxbox/init, it seems to have made things right.
[06:59] <bob2> _kevin: so, there's no reason at all to compile pygtk
[06:59] <bob2> _kevin: install python-gtk2
[06:59] <pestilence> change these lines --    session.menuFile:       ~/.fluxbox/menu
[07:00] <_kevin> so apt-get install python-gtk2?
[07:00] <pestilence> and    session.keyFile:        ~/.fluxbox/keys
[07:00] <bob2> _kevin: indeed
[07:00] <_kevin> ok thanks
[07:00] <pestilence> can't explain why that makes such a huge difference, but at this point i don't care :)
[07:00] <Jet2k5> Hello guys, I'm trying once again to play .wmv videos,  but w32codecs has gone missing.  I can't find it anywhere is there another package to handle the formats?
[07:00] <pestilence> it was taking longer than gnome or kde to load.  now it loads in a matter of seconds.
[07:00] <bob2> Jet2k5: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:00] <pfp> pestilence: might be a good idea to publish that somewhere? ,)
[07:01] <_kevin> bob2 it's already installed
[07:01] <bob2> _kevin: awesome
[07:01] <pestilence> pfp: i'm going to put it in the forums, perhaps i need to file a bug too.
[07:01] <_kevin> i guess I'll try to complie the program now
[07:02] <Fabian> Seveas, are you not here?
[07:02] <pixelmonkey> I have a tiny little "behavior", and I want to make sure it's a bug... I recently discovered an old ultra-tiny 20GB hard drive with a PCMCIA adapter that works with ide-cs, which is actually useful to me.  I setup an fstab entry for it, and now when I plug it in, a nautilus window shows up with the drive automounted.  However, the drive doesn't show up in the "Computer" Window, like my other removables do, so that I can unmount them
[07:02] <pixelmonkey>  when I'm done.  Is this a udev issue?
[07:03] <pestilence> i'm curious if the same problem is happening with openbox.  i don't understand why it copies your configuration files over to your home directory but then continues to use system-wide ones.
[07:03] <_kevin> checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool  how do i get XML::Parser perl module?
[07:03] <Fabian> could someone elst try to help me with my partition problems? seems I need an expert! :D
[07:03] <bob2> _kevin: so, you need to do the basic work yourself before asking on irc
[07:04] <bob2> _kevin: punch that module name into http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[07:04] <yahalom> how is ubuntu as a server?
[07:04] <bob2> outstanding
[07:04] <paueas> what package would contain codecs for windows media videos?
[07:04] <_kevin> ok sorry.. I didn't know these things are already in ubuntu, becau ei goto synaptic and search for py-gtka nd i get no results so i assume it's not instakk
[07:04] <yahalom> bob2, really?
[07:04] <_kevin> install*
[07:04] <GNULinuxer> paueas, w32codecs
[07:04] <bob2> paueas: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:05] <bob2> it'd be great if people could read the FAQ, too
[07:05] <yahalom> bob2, like i could set it up for a man?
[07:05] <bob2> yahalom: I don't know what that means
[07:05] <yahalom> bob2, MAN=metropolitan area network
[07:06] <paueas> thanks
[07:06] <bob2> yahalom: I don't know how that differs from anything else, but I'd assume so
[07:06] <Fabian> is there no partition expert in here?
[07:06] <yahalom> bob2, basically a huge lan
[07:06] <GNULinuxer> bob2, which package contains sdl.m4?
[07:06] <hugos> _kevin, http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/M/MS/MSERGEANT/XML-Parser-2.34.tar.gz <--- XML::Parser
[07:07] <GNULinuxer> Fabian,
[07:07] <bob2> GNULinuxer: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[07:07] <riji> "Please configure hardware acceleration.  Exiting."
[07:07] <Jet2k5> bob2: it doesn't talk abou the authentication
[07:07] <bob2> please don't advise peopel to install random things from CPAN
[07:07] <Jet2k5> now what?
[07:07] <riji> where and how do i do that?
[07:07] <bob2> Jet2k5: I have no idea what you mean
[07:07] <Fabian> GNULinuxer, did you read my problem before?
[07:07] <Jet2k5> bob2: you need authentication on the servers
[07:07] <bob2> Jet2k5: if you mean "I tried to use the backports repository and it asked for a password.", then go read the backports web page
[07:07] <Jet2k5> this one doesn't have it
[07:08] <bob2> go read their web page
[07:08] <Jet2k5> shouldn't be a backport
[07:08] <bob2> _kevin: no, XML::Parser is in ubuntu
[07:08] <riji> how do i configure hardware acceleration.
[07:08] <Jet2k5> it is a backport\
[07:09] <dieter> man UBUNTU is nice!
[07:09] <jdodson> i think so.
[07:09] <dieter> very easy to use in fact even for a new one to linux :)
[07:09] <hugos> bob2, where is XML::Parser ?
[07:09] <Nightcr8wl3r> yes it is
[07:09] <bob2> libxml-parser-perl
[07:09] <Nightcr8wl3r> its very nice and simple to use
[07:09] <hugos> ok
[07:10] <dieter> I think the UBUNTU guys have converted me :d
[07:10] <Nightcr8wl3r> they are going a great job
[07:10] <Fabian> GNULinuxer, Got the following partitions on my HD: Windows (Prim/NTFS), Files (Log/FAT 32), Swap (Prim), ext3 (Prim). Now, I'd like to add another ext3 partition at the end of my HD. How can I do this???
[07:10] <madsen> Fabian: with 'parted'
[07:11] <nJess> is it possible to upgrade warty to hoary?
[07:11] <bob2> of course
[07:11] <madsen> Fabian: Don't ask me for details, 'cause I don't remember. :)
[07:11] <nJess> apt-get upgrade?
[07:11] <yakk> nJess, probably apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:11] <nJess> thanks
[07:11] <bob2> nJess: wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[07:11] <madsen> nJess: Replace "warty" with "hoary" in your /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:11] <bob2> and make sure you have ubuntu-desktop installed
[07:11] <nJess> if it gets interrupted will i be able to resume?
[07:11] <bob2> nJess: the download? yes.
[07:12] <chrissturm> madsen: did you get e17 working?
[07:12] <nJess> good
[07:12] <nJess> its around 400 megs
[07:12] <madsen> chrissturm: Nope, I stopped trying. Hehe...
[07:12] <pfp> Fabian: hmm, maybe your extended partition doesn't cover all of the free area
[07:12] <nJess> and i am limited to 100 ever 4 hours
[07:12] <nJess> i hate my isp
[07:12] <arkainium> What's recommended after recovering from bad sectors on the hard drive?  The system *appears* to be find and boots up normally.
[07:12] <arkainium> fine*
[07:12] <Fabian> pfp, there are 5 GB unused at the end of the HD
[07:12] <pfp> Fabian: could you paste `fdisk -l /dev/yourdisk` somewhere?
[07:12] <chrissturm> madsen: maybe you want to look at jhbuild and luminocity. its great eye candy
[07:12] <dieter> I was looking for those funny tux backgrounds ... the one where he has the big eyes. Does anyone know where to find these ? I've searched several sites ....
[07:12] <melt_> bjrs
[07:13] <pinko> I hear it's best to get a new drive.
[07:13] <melt_> y a t'il des fr
[07:13] <pinko> because more is bound to go wrong.
[07:13] <melt_> ?
[07:13] <madsen> chrissturm: jhbuild?
[07:13] <madsen> chrissturm: I know luminocity. :)
[07:13] <yakk> madsen, a tool to build stuff from cvs nicely
[07:13] <chrissturm> jhbuild is a script that builds gnome stuff from cvs
[07:13] <pfp> Fabian: my theory is that the 5G isn't  _inside_ the extended partition
[07:13] <madsen> chrissturm, yakk: Nice! :) Gotta check it out sometime soon. :)
[07:13] <Fabian> pfp, in privat
[07:14] <melt_> i search french people for explain me a ubuntu system
[07:14] <chrissturm> madsen, http://live.gnome.org/Luminocity
[07:14] <chrissturm> madsen, it was very straightforward to setup
[07:15] <bob2> be very careful with that
[07:15] <bob2> make sure yo udon't overwrite the ubuntu X and GTK stuff
[07:15] <madsen> chrissturm: Wasn't I the one who introduced you to luminocity, like, yesterday? (Or am I remembering things all wrong?)
[07:15] <chrissturm> bob2, it only installs into /opt
[07:15] <yahalom> is breezy safe yet? or breakage still high?
[07:15] <chrissturm> madsen, i tried it some weeks ago
[07:15] <xxtreme> guys how do you open ports in ubuntu 5.04, I'm trying to open new ports to get faster downloads
[07:15] <madsen> chrissturm: Oh, ok. :)
[07:16] <chrissturm> yahalom, i run it without problems on 2 systems. dunno why ubuntu guys say its not stable
[07:16] <yahalom> chrissturm, how do i get it?
[07:16] <chrissturm> for me its as stable as hoary was at that time
[07:16] <michelts> hi guys,
[07:17] <michelts> is there a way to remaster ubuntu?
[07:17] <madsen> Well, gotta go eat. :)
[07:17] <madsen> chrissturm: Thanks for the link. :) I'll check it out soon. :)
[07:17] <bob2> xxtreme: that's not how networking works
[07:17] <chrissturm> yahalom, i am not recommending it to you, but if you want to still try it, open /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:17] <bob2> xxtreme: ubuntu doesn't have any "closed" ports
[07:17] <chrissturm> yahalom, and change hoary to breezy
[07:17] <anatole> what is the name of the program that displays shadows "under" windows?
[07:17] <xxtreme> thanks bobz
[07:17] <bob2> anatole: transset
[07:18] <anatole> thanks
[07:18] <mjr> anatole, xcompmgr
[07:18] <xxtreme> nmap told me i had lots of closed ones
[07:18] <yahalom> chrissturm, every hoary to breezy?
[07:18] <chrissturm> yahalom, but you will be on your own
[07:18] <chrissturm> yahalom, right
[07:18] <yahalom> chrissturm, used to that
[07:18] <bob2> xxtreme: no, you're misinterpreting it
[07:18] <chrissturm> yahalom, i hang out here, and sometimes i can help
[07:18] <mjr> transset just sets the translucency of a window
[07:18] <xxtreme> ok, thanks so much
[07:19] <chrissturm> hey, there's a metacity branch with luminocity features, anyone know about it?
[07:19] <thenuke> I think some kind of a rule of a thumb is that if one does not know how to upgrade to breezy, one _really_ is not able to handle it :D
[07:19] <madsen> chrissturm: Uh, btw... There's also expocity... (Let me just find a link.)
[07:20] <madsen> chrissturm: http://www.pycage.de/software_expocity.html
[07:20] <madsen> chrissturm: It's a metacity hack.
[07:21] <chrissturm> thx madsen
[07:21] <madsen> chrissturm: np :)
[07:21] <yahalom> chrissturm, ok did it. wish me luck
[07:21] <selinium> Hi all, I have used ssh to connect to my remote webserver. But how do I use it to connect to my PC?
[07:21] <chrissturm> yahalom: did you also sudo apt-get update
[07:21] <pestilence> ok, i have posted my findings at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41950
[07:21] <yahalom> chrissturm, am now
[07:22] <bob2> selinium: the same way
[07:22] <chrissturm> yahalom: be careful with dist-upgrade though
[07:22] <yahalom> chrissturm, getting errors with breezy-backports, no such repo?
[07:22] <yahalom> chrissturm, uncomment it?
[07:22] <chrissturm> yahalom, remove that one
[07:22] <selinium> bob2: is there anyway of testing it without using another pc?
[07:22] <yahalom> chrissturm, dont do dist-upgrade?
[07:22] <bob2> selinium: ssh localhost
[07:23] <chrissturm> yahalom, try dist-upgrade,
[07:23] <bob2> selinium: assuming you installed the ssh server (openssh-server)
[07:23] <chrissturm> yahalom, it will tell you what it wants to do
[07:23] <chrissturm> if it wants to remove a lot of packages, dont do it
[07:23] <pinko> is that opening up a security minefield, to install a ssh server?
[07:23] <bob2> no
[07:23] <pinko> if you don't absolutely need one I mean
[07:23] <bob2> assuming you have a decent password
[07:23] <yahalom> chrissturm, ok thats not good
[07:24] <selinium> bob2: Ah, that is what I am missing then! :)
[07:24] <yahalom> chrissturm, it wants to remove a whole bunch of stuff
[07:24] <yahalom> chrissturm, dont like that
[07:24] <chrissturm> yahalom, thats ok if it also installs about the same amount of new stuff
[07:24] <yahalom> chrissturm, it removes a quarter of what it wants to install
[07:25] <chrissturm> yahalom: does it remove ubuntu-desktop?
[07:25] <yahalom> chrissturm, meaning it wants to install about three times more of what it removes
[07:25] <chrissturm> yahalom: that looks ok then
[07:25] <synd> anyone know how to make gdesklets transparent?
[07:26] <yahalom> chrissturm, no but this concerns me: libsigc++-1.2-5c102 libsigc++-2.0-0 libsmpeg0 to be removed
[07:26] <chrissturm> thats ok
[07:26] <yahalom> chrissturm, ah ok
[07:26] <chrissturm> its because of the c++ transition
[07:26] <thenuke> synd: tried right click on the desklet to configure it?
[07:26] <yahalom> chrissturm, so its safe?
[07:26] <bob2> hand-holding someone to move to breezy is asking for trouble
[07:26] <chrissturm> you will see it installs different versions of these libs
[07:26] <chrissturm> yahalom: i feel a bit bad about that
[07:27] <synd> thenuke: not seeing anything
[07:27] <yahalom> bob2, thats how i moved to ubuntu
[07:27] <yahalom> bob2, :)
[07:27] <thenuke> synd: ok :I maybe it's impossible then, or depending on the desklet
[07:27] <yahalom> chrissturm, i'm not looking for guarantee
[07:27] <bob2> yahalom: what is?
[07:27] <yahalom> chrissturm, lets see. if i dissapear
[07:27] <synd> thenuke: its not impossible.. ive seen screenshots of it
[07:28] <yahalom> bob2, being hand held
[07:28] <chrissturm> yahalom: it could be that X breaks
[07:28] <bob2> that's fine
[07:28] <bob2> but using breezy if you have no idea is a bad bad bad idea
[07:28] <yahalom> chrissturm, so then i do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[07:28] <chrissturm> nope
[07:28] <chrissturm> then you need to get to irc with irssi
[07:28] <bob2> no, hen you go trawling the bug reports to find the fix
[07:28] <chrissturm> or BitchX
[07:28] <yahalom> bob2,  :( too late
[07:28] <Seveas> :)
[07:29] <bob2> yahalom: /topic
[07:29] <yahalom> bob2, i see
[07:29] <chrissturm> yahalom: its not too late now
[07:29] <yahalom> chrissturm, np
[07:29] <pinko> is there a particular debian package for openssh-server?
[07:29] <chrissturm> as long as its still downloading packages
[07:29] <yahalom> chrissturm, why wouldnt dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg work?
[07:29] <bob2> pinko: yes, openssh-server
[07:30] <bob2> pinko: in sarge it was part of the ssh package
[07:30] <thenuke> yahalom: why did you have to upgrade to breezy X-)
[07:30] <Seveas> yahalom, because that only works on working systems
[07:30] <pinko> ah, ok.  I have ssh installed.
[07:30] <chrissturm> yahalom: if the package is badly broken it wont work
[07:30] <Seveas> not on systems that are as broken as breezy
[07:30] <yahalom> thenuke, cos i'm a freak who likes to live on the edge?
[07:30] <yahalom> :)
[07:30] <chrissturm> breezy is not so badly broken
[07:30] <anacron> why the hell xmms menu font is so small i can barely see it
[07:30] <chrissturm> its just not true
[07:30] <bob2> chrissturm: not at the moment it's not
[07:31] <bob2> anacron: install gtk-theme-switch, run switch, fix it
[07:31] <yahalom> chrissturm, ok well if i'll have to reinstall then i'll reinstall
[07:31] <anacron> bob2: k thanks
[07:31] <yahalom> bob2, lets say i want to reverse it, anyway?
[07:31] <chrissturm> yahalom: if you dont have work to do with your system and you are ready to spend some time
[07:31] <chrissturm> yahalom, you could learn some stuff
[07:31] <bob2> yahalom: reintall
[07:32] <yahalom> bob2, thought so :)
[07:32] <yahalom> chrissturm, yeah always a good way to learn linux
[07:32] <thenuke> yahalom: yup, but it is pretty obvious that the breezy _will_ break, and to me it seems as obvious that you dont yet have the skills to fix it and so on :) no offense at all
[07:32] <yahalom> chrissturm, and to drive my family crazy
[07:32] <bob2> yahalom: it's possible to downgrade, but a massive pain in the ass
[07:32] <yahalom> thenuke, not offended :)
[07:32] <anacron> bob2: what next?
[07:33] <ilba7r> frequently when i am running ubuntu and am not openning to much applications the cpu usuage become crazy and the pc just reboots any idea what might cause that
[07:33] <chrissturm> bob2: and you are expecting big breakage in breezy in the future?
[07:33] <yahalom> thenuke, u running breezy?
[07:33] <dieter> ilba7r, maybe heating ?
[07:33] <dieter> same problem under windows ? :)
[07:33] <chrissturm> i thought the big breakage was the toolchain change
[07:33] <thenuke> yahalom: nope :)
[07:33] <chrissturm> and that one has now settled
[07:33] <ilba7r> nope i made sure of that so do not think it is heating
[07:33] <wulfepup> hey hi guys
[07:34] <thenuke> yahalom: I see no reason for using OS that breaks ;D
[07:34] <anacron> hi hello wulfepup!
[07:34] <thenuke> sooner or later
[07:34] <Lafitte-> <-----broke system first day doing breezy upgrade  hahaha
[07:34] <yahalom> thenuke, oh well the tought path is the most fulfilling
[07:34] <yahalom> well if i d/c all of a sudden u guys can laugh, and if not we'll just have to laugh later
[07:34] <ilba7r> the problem is i am working for sometime and all of a sudden i loose my work
[07:35] <bob2> anacron: ? that's all.
[07:35] <bob2> chrissturm: I'd be very surprisde if nothing broke between now and release
[07:35] <yahalom> bob2, all breakage requires a reinstall. surely it can be fixed, unless its like the damn issues i had with gnome.
[07:36] <wulfepup> ok .. with the wiki being tweaked around a bit I've lost how to enable dma on my dvd drive....
[07:36] <SeamusLP> wulfepup:  Check the forums out
[07:37] <anacron> bob2: it's not bigger than before :(
[07:37] <bob2> anacron: did you increase the font size?
[07:37] <thenuke> yahalom: I just have to put you on my notify list and ask you later about your breezy ;D
[07:37] <anacron> bob2: yeah
[07:37] <bob2> yahalom: no gnome issue is going to require a reinstall
[07:37] <bob2> yahalom: and no breakage requires it, either, for people who know what they are doing
[07:37] <anacron> bob2: i'll try to reboot x
[07:38] <wulfepup> SeamusLP: thanks!
[07:38] <chrissturm> yahalom, you will learn a lot about using the console :)
[07:38] <bob2> anacron: that won't help
[07:39] <anacron> bob2: maybe reinstallin' xmms?
[07:39] <bob2> no, that won't help wither
[07:39] <bob2> I'd assume you didn't set it right
[07:40] <bob2> paste your ~/.gtkrc to #flood
[07:40] <wulfepup> speaking of console ... I just found one of my new best friends....  the "commander" for the Gnome panel...  it's a mini command line
[07:40] <zakann> is there ny french channel?
[07:40] <bob2> #ubuntu-fr
[07:40] <TokenBad> I installed the w32codecs and still can't play wmv
[07:40] <TokenBad> any help?
[07:41] <ivoks> TokenBad: mplayer should play them
[07:41] <HiddenWolf> tokenbad, try vlc or mplayer
[07:41] <yahalom> thenuke, cool
[07:41] <yahalom> bob2, so i better start learning
[07:41] <wulfepup> *with tongue firmly in cheek*  TokenBad: try using Windows?  (heheheheheheheheeee)
[07:42] <HiddenWolf> wulfepup, bad boy!
[07:42] <yahalom> chrissturm, yeah well i tried install crux
[07:42] <anacron> bob2: if that should be a file, there's nothing in it, if it's a command it won't work
[07:42] <TokenBad> heheh
[07:42] <wulfepup> hehehehehe
[07:42] <thenuke> yahalom: but do not ask the channel when you got into problems with it ;P
[07:42] <yahalom> chrissturm, and i succeeded after losign my head
[07:42] <ChrisCF> I've recently had problems with one HD, and now e2fsck segfaults while the checking the other
[07:42] <zakann> I try to compile some plugins for beep-media-player, and there's a lot of mistakes. I've installed some packages who resolves some mistakes, but not all. It's a plugins with a install.pl
[07:42] <yahalom> thenuke, what no tech support for breezy in the chan? only forums?
[07:43] <anacron> yahalom: i didn't know even headless people use linux
[07:43] <TokenBad> dman
[07:43] <TokenBad> damn
[07:43] <TokenBad> missed
[07:43] <dieter> lol
[07:43] <Seveas> yahalom, there will indeed be no support for breezy in here
[07:43] <yahalom> anacron, surprise surprise wherever u r:)
[07:43] <ChrisCF> What does it mean when  e2fsck segfaults?
[07:43] <thenuke> yahalom: well I am not sure about it, but I bet that the community does not wish to help every newcomer who willingly breaks his system :D
[07:43] <Choubaka> bad things. :D
[07:43] <bob2> ChrisCF: things are very very screwed
[07:43] <yahalom> Seveas, np
[07:43] <bob2> ChrisCF: I'd assume your kernel is oopsing
[07:43] <ivoks> ChrisCF: maybe it isn't ext2?
[07:43] <thenuke> instead of sticking to the stable distribution
[07:44] <TokenBad> hmm
[07:44] <Seveas> thenuke, indeed :)
[07:44] <TokenBad> mplayer will not open
[07:44] <yahalom> i'll use the forums
[07:44] <TokenBad> just crashes
[07:44] <ChrisCF> ivoks: It's ext3, which is identical but for the journal
[07:44] <bob2> ChrisCF: look at the output of 'dmesg'
[07:44] <ivoks> ChrisCF: i hope you don't use fsck.ext2 for checking ext3 :)
[07:44] <yahalom> chrissturm, how long u been running breezy?
[07:44] <chrissturm> seveas: is is discouraged to help people with breezy?
[07:44] <bob2> no
[07:45] <HiddenWolf> thenuke, problem with breezy atm is that it's still pretty damn broken, toolchain transition and such. Usually half of the channel runs unstable, but now, you'd have to be a devel, or loony, or a glutton for pain. :P
[07:45] <bob2> it's discouraged to tell people to use it
[07:45] <Seveas> chrissturm, of course not
[07:45] <chrissturm> ok
[07:45] <thenuke> chrissturm: obviously you should not courage newbies to upgrade to breezy..
[07:45] <chrissturm> i told him not to do it
[07:45] <Seveas> s/newbies/anyone/
[07:45] <yahalom> yeah he did
[07:45] <thenuke> but you told him how to do it :)
[07:45] <thenuke> I would not do that
[07:45] <yahalom> i just always go for the extreme
[07:45] <anacron> hmm, when i login in my account, first any music won't come out, then i kill esd process with system monitor, and sounds starts work right away, how to fix this?, and i wonder why there is two processes named esd?
[07:45] <yahalom> dive in the deep end
[07:46] <thenuke> one reallly needs to be new to linux if does not know how to do that ;)
[07:46] <Myrtti> /me gets her whip
[07:46] <ivoks> mandriva and lycrois are family now
[07:46] <yahalom> gets me high
[07:46] <thenuke> so it just will hurt the newbie AND the community when newbie comes to ask what to do when it breaks
[07:46] <pestilence> anacron: you can prevent esd from starting through control panel settings.
[07:46] <pierre_> Hello, I'm new to ubuntu and Linux
[07:46] <HiddenWolf> yahalom, try a joint, it's a lot less expensive than your pc, and I bet it'll get you high faster. :)
[07:46] <melrosemrm> channel
[07:46] <ChrisCF> ivoks: Well, what else do you use?
[07:46] <Seveas> pierre_, welcome then :)
[07:46] <pierre_> I installed ubuntu and that was easy ...
[07:46] <pestilence> anacron: i believe one is "multimedia sound system", the other is just "sound"
[07:46] <ChrisCF> (in the absence of a fsck.ext3)
[07:46] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, lol :)
[07:47] <yahalom> HiddenWolf, i dont like anything going through my mouth other than food and drink
[07:47] <HiddenWolf> Seveas, I'm allowed to say that, am I? :)
[07:47] <ivoks> ChrisCF: fsck.ext3
[07:47] <anacron> pestilence: it was sound :)
[07:47] <pestilence> anacron: unselect "start sound system automatically"
[07:47] <pierre_> Put my printer won't work, it a HP PSC-1200 (1210) and it doesn't work
[07:47] <ChrisCF> bob2: last line is: ext3: No journal on filesystem on hdd7
[07:47] <Seveas> ChrisCF, is your kernel is oopsing (something bob2 suggested), run memtest86...
[07:47] <wulfepup> does Ubuntu have a higher ratio of "new to Linux" users than other distros?
[07:47] <anacron> pestilence: but anyway thanks
[07:47] <pestilence> anacron: right, but the other one lets you select teh default sound system, change it to alsa
[07:47] <HiddenWolf> yahalom, I can think of some things, but the puritans here would ban me ;)
[07:47] <ivoks> ChrisCF: i used fsck.ext2 once on ext3... almost get fierd from company
[07:47] <pierre_> I install it via the print option but it doesn't do anything!
[07:47] <yahalom> HiddenWolf, besides the combo would make things much worse
[07:47] <timm-e-J> anyone know if there are any plans to implement some sort of free java implementation into ubuntu (like fedora core 4 did)?
[07:47] <pierre_> what should i do?
[07:47] <Seveas> wulfepup, because it is newbie-friendly
[07:47] <marte_> c' qualcuno che parla italiano per un aiutino?
[07:47] <ChrisCF> ivoks: er, they're the same program
[07:47] <bob2> wulfepup: than some, yes
[07:47] <Miks> how can i have write permisions in some extra hard drive i have? i already mounted it with the "rw" option but if im not root then i cant delete or create files in it
[07:47] <Seveas> pierre_, have you searched the forums/google?
[07:47] <ChrisCF> bob2: last line is: ext3: No journal on filesystem on hdd7
[07:48] <ivoks> ChrisCF: if you belive they are...
[07:48] <Seveas> marte_, #ubuntu-it
[07:48] <bob2> ChrisCF: yes, the last line is no use
[07:48] <pierre_> Well they all say that it should work!
[07:48] <marte_> Seveas, grazie
[07:48] <Seveas> Miks, is it ntfs?
[07:48] <dockane> somebody inhere with expederience regarding phillips saa7134 tv cards (pci) and hoary ?
[07:48] <pepsi> bob2!
[07:48] <bob2> hi
[07:48] <Miks> no..its fat32...vfat
[07:48] <Seveas> Miks, mount it with the option umask=0000
[07:48] <wulfepup> pierre_: That should work oob .. my psc 1610 did  (well printing anyway... scanning I haven't set up yet)
[07:48] <Miks> thanks Seveas
[07:48] <ChrisCF> chris@delyth:~ $ diff /sbin/fsck.ext2 /sbin/fsck.ext3
[07:49] <HiddenWolf> dockane, what's the problem?
[07:49] <ChrisCF> Nothing.
[07:49] <melrosemrm> sorry people, I am a newbie but I really would appreciate any help. I am trying to connect my wireless card to my wireless router. But I don't know how to connect them both.
[07:49] <pierre_> Well this one doesn't even print one thing!
[07:49] <pierre_> How can I check that the connection works ok!
[07:49] <thechitowncubs> I have a few questions about sound on Ubuntu, maybe I could get some answers :). Every time a gaim notifications sounds there is a slight cracking noise either at the beginning and the end, what is the cause of that or is that normal?
[07:49] <ChrisCF> bob2: There's nothing in there that I can see that might be useful
[07:49] <anacron> pestilence: yeah, it works now, you made my day
[07:49] <anacron> if i can say so
[07:49] <Seveas> melrosemrm, go to wiki.ubuntu.com
[07:49] <thechitowncubs> Sound and multimedia seems to be the only thing lacking perfection :)
[07:49] <pestilence> anacron: that was easy :)
[07:49] <Seveas> read the WiFiHoeto
[07:49] <yahalom> how do i tarball my home dir?
[07:50] <shale> when is breezy supposed to be ready?
[07:50] <Seveas> yahalom, tar zcvf /tmp/myhome.tar.gz ~
[07:50] <ChrisCF> I don't think the kernel was oopsing
[07:50] <HiddenWolf> pierre_ wireless networking on linux is a bit tricky, you might have to try a lot to get it working
[07:50] <Seveas> shale, october
[07:50] <anacron> but why the hell there is even such a thing as esd if it makes so much problems and alsa works just fine
[07:50] <ChrisCF> since this has happened with teh same HD in two different machines
[07:50] <dieter> anyone know a good wysiwyg editor in llinux ?
[07:50] <pestilence> thechitowncubs: do you use kubuntu?
[07:50] <yahalom> Seveas, why /tmp?
[07:50] <HiddenWolf> Seveas, leave some for the rest of us ;)
[07:50] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, pierre_ was not asking that :)
[07:50] <Myrtti> dieter: NVU
[07:50] <shale> Seveas, thanks :)
[07:50] <Seveas> yahalom, where else?
[07:50] <thechitowncubs> No, I would be in the
[07:50] <pierre_> HiddenWolf, it is a printer not wireless
[07:50] <pierre_> USB
[07:50] <thechitowncubs> #kubuntu channel if i did :)
[07:50] <Seveas> cannot be in your home, you are tarring that :)
[07:50] <HiddenWolf> pierre_, omg, sorry
[07:50] <Myrtti> dieter: if looking for a (x)HTML-editor
[07:51] <yahalom> Seveas, umm. ok.
[07:51] <pestilence> thechitowncubs: see my suggestion for anacron ... in particular, disable esd.
[07:51] <Razor-X> thechitowncubs: the #kubuntu channel is more or less dead
[07:51] <dieter> Myrtti, yes HTML and PHP editor
[07:51] <thechitowncubs> Ya, I don't use KDE :P
[07:51] <ChrisCF> brb - kitchen ...
[07:51] <Riddell> Razor-X: looks pretty active to me
[07:51] <Seveas> Razor-X, there are 96 people in there
[07:51] <Razor-X> I do ;)
[07:51] <HiddenWolf> pierre_, you'll have to add the printer under places > administration > printers
[07:51] <Seveas> wouldn't call it dead
[07:51] <pestilence> thechitowncubs: which is why my advise to anacron applies to you ;)
[07:51] <thechitowncubs> pestilence: where is your suggestion for anacron and what is it
[07:51] <Razor-X> Riddell: last time I went there, theer were a lot of users and no-one talking
[07:51] <pierre_> HiddenWolf, I did that... and added the correct model
[07:51] <pestilence> thechitowncubs: disable esd.  under the control panel -> sound, uncheck "start sound system automatically"
[07:52] <Razor-X> *there
[07:52] <pestilence> thechitowncubs: under multimedia systems selector, choose alsa.
[07:52] <HiddenWolf> pierre_, stupid, but the printer is on, cables are ok, etc?
[07:52] <yahalom> eight freaking hours!
[07:52] <bkinman> So. I want WineTools, how do i get it
[07:52] <yahalom> what did u guys build!?!?!
[07:52] <dieter> Myrtti, I'm having a look at the NVU website ... thanks mate!
[07:52] <Seveas> pestilence, that's stupid....
[07:52] <HiddenWolf> pierre_, any other usb devices on those ports?
[07:52] <pierre_> Yes cables are in
[07:52] <Seveas> pestilence, ubuntu uses esd, do not advice other ways...
[07:52] <dockane> HiddenWolf, no problem yet. do i have to expect any problems ? what should i read before installing a cinergy 400 pci ?
[07:52] <pierre_> only the mouse
[07:52] <pestilence> Seveas: it is?  i've had issuees with esd.
[07:52] <Razor-X> Seveas: you read my draft yet?
[07:52] <pestilence> Seveas: and clearly i'm not the only one.
[07:53] <dean> mpg
[07:53] <Seveas> pestilence, ok, then help him solve all the problems he'll get without esd..
[07:53] <laxise> how to set up mountpoint pls someone .... man page would be enough ... thx
[07:53] <pestilence> Seveas: until those issues are addressed, i don't think it's unreasonable to scrap esd.
[07:53] <thechitowncubs> pestilence: where is the control panel
[07:53] <Myrtti> laxise: man fstab
[07:53] <Seveas> laxise, for fat or ntfs drives?
[07:53] <pestilence> Seveas: such as?
[07:53] <thechitowncubs> why is it stupid and is there any other solution?
[07:53] <bkinman> Anyone know how i would go about getting wine tools? im not seeing it in the repository, but people in the ubuntu forums are apparently using it.
[07:53] <laxise> ntfs
[07:53] <Seveas> pestilence, other apps suddenly not having sound...
[07:53] <ChrisCF> My dmesg does not contain the word "Oops" either.
[07:53] <pierre_> All looks ok but the printer wont budge
[07:53] <dean> how do I stream mpg content. I can't load windows media player on ubuntu os
[07:53] <HiddenWolf> dockane, I don't have that hardware, but most cards work fine, you'd have more luck if you figure out the chip that's on the card, then use google to check if there's support for that chip in linux
[07:53] <pestilence> Seveas: i have yet to encounter an example of that.
[07:53] <pierre_> what can I do else
[07:54] <Seveas> laxise, download http://ubuntulinux.nl/~dennis/windows_fstab and run tat
[07:54] <ChrisCF> Would it be worth attaching fsck to a debugger for a backtrace?
[07:54] <HiddenWolf> dockane, I'd just put it in, install something like tvtime, and try to make it work.
[07:54] <Razor-X> dean: o cours, Windows Media Player is for Windows, this is Linux ;)
[07:54] <Seveas> ChrisCF, of course :)
[07:54] <LokeDK> Ubuntu's gnome.. is it possible to get all windows in the window list.. and not just for the single desktop? Looked everywhere
[07:54] <Razor-X> dean: VLC has some nice streaming options
[07:54] <dean> how do I get VLC
[07:54] <dockane> HiddenWolf, tvtime is a start. thnx
[07:54] <dieter> Myrtti, this was the mozilla editor no ? I'm looking for something more advanced ... trying quanta plus now
[07:54] <pierre_> anybody any help?
[07:54] <Razor-X> dean: sudo apt-get install vlc
[07:55] <anacron> i think it's vlc-player
[07:55] <Seveas> no, just vlc
[07:55] <dean> what? don't understand the lingo
[07:55] <anacron> ok
[07:55] <anacron> maybe it whas other distro then
[07:55] <Seveas> dean, type in that exact command
[07:55] <Seveas> to install vlc (a good streaming media player)
[07:55] <dean> where do you type it?
[07:55] <HiddenWolf> dockane, if you can't find more than a few channels, try tvtime-scanner
[07:56] <bkinman> Man, this channel is so busy i feel helpless. Where can i find winetools, anyone? i cant apt-get it.
[07:56] <Seveas> dean, in a terminal
[07:56] <pestilence> thechitowncubs: Seveas is entitled to his opinion, but i frankly disagree. disable esd and select alsa, see if that works for you.  if it doesn't you can re-enable it just as easily.  but i have been without esd all my years and never had a problem with plain old alsa.
[07:56] <Seveas> bkinman, wine-utils
[07:56] <thechitowncubs> alright, i'll give it a shot
[07:56] <Seveas> bkinman, apt-cache search wine can help too
[07:56] <Razor-X> I miss school...
[07:56] <HiddenWolf> bkinman, try also #ubuntu-<yourcountrycode> - #ubuntu-fr for french users, for instance
[07:56] <Razor-X> and their free printers on which i'ld print voluminous amounts of pages
[07:57] <Seveas> pestilence, the situation is even worse for my opinion: Ubuntu will ditch esd for breezy :)
[07:57] <pestilence> Seveas: hehe
[07:57] <thechitowncubs> Nice, as long as everything works better :)
[07:57] <thechitowncubs> sound sucks on linux
[07:57] <vol0za> Hello, I have a problem relative to the font rendering in gnome under Hoary. I'm trying to use the Sans font but some characters with diacritics (czech) are taken from a different font - Nimbus Sans L. Text with mixed characters looks really ugly. This problem occurs in all gnome-applications I have tested. Can you direct me to some solution? plz
[07:57] <Seveas> but i will by default support the default of ubuntu
[07:57] <pestilence> thechitowncubs: correction: esd sucks.
[07:57] <thechitowncubs> oh, sry
[07:57] <HiddenWolf> thechitowncubs, it sucks worse on windows :)
[07:58] <thechitowncubs> not from my experience
[07:58] <thechitowncubs> but anyways, pestilence: how can i get my sound working in gaim again
[07:58] <HiddenWolf> vol0za, try installing the msstcorefonts
[07:58] <thechitowncubs> there is no option for alsa in the sound properties
[07:58] <thechitowncubs> and when i select automatic it doesn't work
[07:58] <Seveas> vol0za, try setting the default font to nimbus sans l
[07:58] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, how on earth will that help him..?
[07:58] <pestilence> thechitowncubs: under the control panel "multimedia system selector" choose alsa
[07:58] <HiddenWolf> Seveas, hell of a lot of better fonts, imho
[07:59] <thechitowncubs> I did that already
[07:59] <thechitowncubs> I'm talking about GAIM specifically
[07:59] <vol0za> OK it could be partial solution, but I would like to use the Sans font.
[07:59] <lickety> has anyone tried debian 3.1 stable?
[07:59] <ChrisCF> Grr.  How do I attach?
[07:59] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, but he'll still have to set that up....
[07:59] <ChrisCF> gdb doesn't seem to like the program being started with arguments
[07:59] <gahan> who uses gnome? my shutdown/turn off ability disappeared! wtf? i can only logout, i cant even turnoff/halt from gdm. sure i can type sudo halt etc. but my daddy can not :) help!:)
[07:59] <Seveas> gdb <program>
[07:59] <ChrisCF> since even with or without -- it thinks the arguments are for it
[07:59] <thechitowncubs> gahan: i use gnome :)
[07:59] <Seveas> and in gsb add the args
[07:59] <vol0za> I forget to mention the I tried the same on Debian Sarge and it work OK
[08:00] <HiddenWolf> seveas, just installing them made my ride smoother. :)
[08:00] <pestilence> thechitowncubs: well, i guess Seveas may be right in this case, although i don't understand it.  i don't use sounds in gaim, and don't have sound on this machine to test it in any event.  so just re-enable esd :)
[08:00] <thechitowncubs> that sucks :)
[08:00] <Seveas> vol0za, try to figure where sarge differs from ubuntu in this then :)
[08:00] <ChrisCF> Seveas: How do I do that?
[08:00] <thechitowncubs> So sound does suck in linux after all
[08:00] <Seveas> ChrisCF, man gdb
[08:00] <Seveas> :)
[08:00] <pepsi> thechitowncubs, why do you want gaim sounds anyhow?
[08:00] <ChrisCF> (preferably without spending 6 hours in the man page)
[08:01] <pestilence> pepsi: exactly :)
[08:01] <bleck> Hey, anyone tried to install VMware?  It's asking for the location of the C header files, and ive downloaded the kernel-header package, but not sure where its locate... seems it was to go to /usr/src/linux/include... any ideas?
[08:01] <pierre_> can nobody help me?
[08:01] <thechitowncubs> so i know when i get a message
[08:01] <Seveas> thechitowncubs, you can set gaim to use alsa instead of esd
[08:01] <HiddenWolf> thechitowncubs, sound sucks on every distro :P
[08:01] <thechitowncubs> Thats why i said linux
[08:01] <pestilence> thechitowncubs: enable the message notification plugin
[08:01] <Seveas> bleck, aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[08:01] <vol0za> Seveas, good point :)
[08:01] <thechitowncubs> Seveas: I don't see that option
[08:01] <pestilence> thechitowncubs: then you don't need the sounds
[08:01] <ChrisCF> Seveas: Man page doesn't say
[08:01] <lickety> that's not true, sound generally sucks if you're using esd, and most distros do
[08:01] <thechitowncubs> what does the notification do
[08:01] <ChrisCF> Either that, or it hides it very well
[08:01] <Seveas> thechitowncubs, tools->prefs->sound
[08:01] <bleck> seveas: thanks!
[08:02] <thechitowncubs> i don't have that option
[08:02] <thechitowncubs> i mean
[08:02] <Seveas> change sound method from auto to alsa
[08:02] <thechitowncubs> i have that
[08:02] <thechitowncubs> but i don't have the alsa option
[08:02] <pestilence> thechitowncubs: you can have it blink the window (a la windows) or just change the window title so that it has a * or a * + new message count
[08:02] <pestilence> thechitowncubs: it's nice.
[08:02] <dean> how do you change ones rep
[08:02] <thechitowncubs> i'm gonna try it
[08:02] <Seveas> change to 'command' and use aplay then :)
[08:02] <Seveas> dean: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:03] <thechitowncubs> seveas: that worked but the problem i had in the first place still exists
[08:03] <thechitowncubs> maybe its a gaim problem
[08:03] <Seveas> ChrisCF, look better
[08:03] <Seveas> run arglist
[08:04] <Seveas> around line 50 of the manpage
[08:04] <ChrisCF> *sigh*
[08:04] <ChrisCF> That would explain why searching "/argument" didn't find it
[08:04] <erb> hi
[08:04] <Seveas> hi
[08:04] <gahan> wtf