[01:48] <Phlegyas> ok sorry for this ... i'm pasting from the console --> Starting amavisd: head: cannot open `/etc/mailname' for reading: No such file or directory
[01:48] <Phlegyas>   The value of variable $myhostname is "PortableThrone", but should have been
[01:48] <Phlegyas>   a fully qualified domain name; perhaps uname(3) did not provide such.
[01:48] <Phlegyas>   You must explicitly assign a FQDN of this host to variable $myhostname
[01:48] <Phlegyas>   in amavisd.conf, or fix what uname(3) provides as a host's network name!
[01:48] <Phlegyas> (failed).
[01:48] <Jucato> !pastebin | Phlegyas
[01:48] <ubotu> Phlegyas: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:48] <Phlegyas> oh really terribly sorry i didnt know that. thanx for the tip
[01:48] <Admiral_Chicago> okay shower now so I don't fall asleep at the computer
[01:49] <Phlegyas> have a nice shower Admiral :D
[01:49] <Admiral_Chicago> wihch i've only done once before in my life
[01:49] <Riddell> topic diff: Herd 1 Released
[01:49] <Jucato> yay! rsync time
[01:49] <Admiral_Chicago> Riddell: perhaps Feisty Herd 1 Released ?
[01:50] <Phlegyas> anyways ... since i did paste all that thing here ... anyone knows whats that this ---> The value of variable $myhostname is "PortableThrone", but should have been
[01:50] <Phlegyas>   a fully qualified domain name; perhaps uname(3) did not provide such.  You must explicitly assign a FQDN of this host to variable $myhostname
[01:50] <Admiral_Chicago> is open week necessary?
[01:50] <Admiral_Chicago> it happened already :|
[01:50] <Admiral_Chicago> oh well i'll bbl
[01:50] <Phlegyas> tc Admiral.
[01:51] <Admiral_Chicago> i remember when I got on Edgy Knot 1, everything worked but a few bugs
[01:51] <Riddell> Admiral_Chicago: please change
[01:51] <Riddell> it
[01:52] <Admiral_Chicago> Kubuntu Support Channel | Feisty Herd 1 Released | Edgy has Landed http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php | FAQ: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/CommonQuestions | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuEdgyKnownProblems | Free Kubuntu CDs! https://shipit.kubuntu.org/ | Large pastes go here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | IRC info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage
[01:52] <Admiral_Chicago> oh right i don't have ops
[01:54] <Admiral_Chicago> /topic Kubuntu Support Channel | Feisty Herd 1 Released | Edgy has Landed http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php | FAQ: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/CommonQuestions | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuEdgyKnownProblems | Free Kubuntu CDs! https://shipit.kubuntu.org/ | Large pastes go here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | IRC info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage
[01:54] <Admiral_Chicago> hmm no luck. oh well
[02:00] <nata1> im trying to install the new NVIDIA drivers, but to do that, i need to kill X.
[02:00] <nata1> how do i kill X?
[02:01] <nata1> seems like its kinda standard/default and auto-restarts once you close it..
[02:01] <nata1> is that the case?
[02:01] <sasha_> nata1 stop service kdm/gdm, then ctrl+alt+backspace
[02:02] <binary2k2> nata1: other wasy around
[02:02] <binary2k2> if you kill kdm, your X server wll go
[02:04] <binary2k2> log out, stop kdm, install drivers, start kdm
[02:04] <ZeuGiRDoR> hello everone
[02:04] <ZeuGiRDoR> how can I manage my zen micro on KDE?
[02:05] <binary2k2> ZeuGiRDoR: have you tried Amarok ?
[02:05] <ZeuGiRDoR> binary2k2: yes, amarok doesn't support creative zen devices
[02:08] <nata1> great
[02:08] <nata1> that was real smart of me
[02:08] <binary2k2> ZeuGiRDoR: what about Banshee?
[02:08] <nata1> installing the nvidia drivers
[02:08] <nata1> now x wont even start!
[02:09] <binary2k2> yeah, that seems to happen a lot with nvidia drivers
[02:09] <ZeuGiRDoR> binary2k2: i'm using gnomad2 and works fine, but i prefer KDE applications
[02:10] <binary2k2> ZeuGiRDoR: take a look at the wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Zen#Other_related_software
[02:10] <ZeuGiRDoR> binary2k2: thanks!
[02:11] <binary2k2> :)
[02:12] <ZeuGiRDoR> seems that KZenExplorer is exactly what i'm looking for
[02:13] <Admiral_Chicago> !update
[02:13] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[02:26] <Admiral_Chicago> !release
[02:26] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[02:30] <schueler> ...
[02:40] <mathieu_> is it possible to test herd 1 without the CD? ie. just changing the sources.list edgy=>feisty ?
[02:41] <Jucato> mathieu_: yes, but it's not recommended to do it on your main OS/machine
[02:41] <mathieu_> I know I got a machine for that purpose. it actually makes the transition at job smoother when time comes :)
[02:42] <Admiral_Chicago> mathieu_: go nuts then
[02:42] <binary2k2> yaeh, upgrading to edgy bit by bit was much easier that full upgrade from dapper
[02:43] <Admiral_Chicago> breezy -- dapper was rock solid for me
[02:43] <gnomefreak> mathieu_: keep in mind dbus = broken apt= broken sun-java5-plugin = broken
[02:44] <binary2k2> was easy for me too, the edgy upgrade from dapper was hell
[02:44] <mathieu_> woah Ill wait for apt to be fixed then
[02:45] <gnomefreak> there are more things broken but those seem to be the most noticible atm
[02:45] <Guardian> hi
[02:45] <Guardian> what's the best way to join active directory ??? pam_krb5 ? winbind ?
[02:46] <binary2k2> apt wasn't the problem, it was the police chances, with xorg for instance
[02:48] <gnomefreak> binary2k2: for dapper > edgy was the naming for the X packages
[02:48] <gnomefreak> binary2k2: me and mathieu_ were talking about feisty he wanted to upgrade
[02:48] <KomiaPoika> how can i install xv 3.10a in ubuntu?
[02:48] <Ash-Fox> !swf-player
[02:48] <binary2k2> that's what i mean, i delt with that months before edgy came out, so i was prepared :p
[02:48] <ubotu> swf-player: Mozilla plugin for SWF files (Macromedia Flash). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.6-2ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 48 kB, installed size 188 kB
[02:50] <binary2k2> gnomefreak: i'm goning to upgrade to feisty fot that reson, you find the problrms sooner, plus i'm a bleeding edgy type of guy :p
[02:51] <Danker> Hi
[02:52] <Danker> Can anyone say how to use bluetooth on kubuntu?
[02:52] <Danker> How to turn it on?
[02:53] <Admiral_Chicago> !bluetooth
[02:53] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[02:53] <Admiral_Chicago> that might be a good place to start
[02:53] <Danker> I tried echo 1 > /proc/acpi/asus/bled    but it doesn't work...
[02:53] <Danker> thanks
[02:56] <ehird> you people just can't take a break from releasing can you
[02:56] <ehird> with that said, how do i upgrade
[02:57] <binary2k2> here come the bot
[02:57] <binary2k2> !upgrade
[02:57] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[02:57] <ehird> ow
[02:57] <ehird> i'm on edgy.
[02:57] <ehird> I was referring to "Feisty Herd 1 Released "
[02:57] <binary2k2> the Feisty Herd 1 Released is a pre-release
[02:57] <Admiral_Chicago> ehird: Feisty is development
[02:58] <ehird> yes.
[02:58] <binary2k2> like when edgy was knot-1
[02:58] <ehird> i want to break my machine! i mean upgrade
[02:58] <Admiral_Chicago> 6 months release cycles is great
[02:59] <mathieu_> the safest path probably remains apt-get install vmware-player :)
[02:59] <binary2k2> tho the last one was only 4 months, and i kinda liked it :p
[03:00] <ehird> mathieu_: safe? what is this safe you mean? if i want a unix based system that >doesn't< crap out and require me to hex edit the kernel, i could use mac os x! :P
[03:01] <binary2k2> to be fair tho, I have fount the development versions of kubuntu to be surprisingly stable
[03:01] <_kuja_> In my experience they were fairly broken ....
[03:03] <mathieu_> well broken apt scares me
[03:03] <mathieu_> that and broken networking...
[03:03] <binary2k2> learn the power behind apt, dpkg
[03:07] <ehird> so... nobody? <.<
[03:08] <binary2k2> huh, what?
[03:09] <mathieu_> im pretty sure sudo sed -e s/\sedgy/ feisty/g -i /etc/apt/sources.list would work
[03:09] <binary2k2> oh, updateing :p
[03:09] <gnomefreak> mathieu_: apt should be fixed soon. the fix was uploaded first thing this morning so we should see it by end of day i would hope but theres no telling ive been waiting for a few weeks on a smart fix. but there is a work around on the apt and one of the dbus issues
[03:10] <binary2k2> yeah, change sources.list, as there is no official way for now
[03:11] <mathieu_> gnomefreak: ok. but im creating my vmware image right now so I know what surprises lie ahead first... this is a dev setup, but i still dont want to lose it right now :) Ill upgrade my main disk once i figured out how to fix everything in my virtual img...
[03:12] <gnomefreak> mathieu_: ok i stay fairly up-to-date with bugs. so feelfree to ping me in #ubuntu+1 if you need something. i will be around later today i need to get back to sleep soon i was up way too early
[03:13] <mathieu_> cool ty.
[03:15] <gnomefreak> yw
[03:15] <gnomefreak> like konqueror has some KHTML issues
[03:15] <homer> hi, is it normal that kubuntu uses about 550mb ram?
[03:15] <gnomefreak> :(
[03:16] <ehird> probably not
[03:16] <ehird> oh
[03:16] <ehird> yes it is
[03:16] <binary2k2> homer: most of that will be the cache
[03:16] <ehird> it's the cache
[03:16] <ehird> don't worry
[03:16] <homer> which color is the cache?
[03:16] <homer> the yellow one
[03:16] <homer> ?
[03:17] <binary2k2> on mine its dark green
[03:17] <binary2k2> but i may have changes the colors :p
[03:18] <homer> is there a way to stop/uninstall some features which i dont need in a safe way?
[03:18] <homer> like bluetooth programs
[03:19] <phlasphy_> hey all
[03:19] <phlasphy_> can i hang here if i dont use kubuntu
[03:19] <binary2k2> ahh, that can be an issue, you may end up removing kubuntu-desktop, which is safe, but you need it when you want to upgrade, so will just end up having to reinstall them
[03:20] <mathieu_> but you could just disable the services
[03:20] <homer> hmm..seems not to be a noobquest?
[03:21] <binary2k2> yeah, you can disable services in the service manager
[03:21] <mathieu_> i dont remember the name of the app to do this
[03:21] <mathieu_> ksysinit?
[03:21] <mathieu_> well its part of kcontrol anyway I believe
[03:21] <binary2k2> ksysv
[03:22] <binary2k2> and yes, it's in kcontrol and system settings
[03:22] <mathieu_> wow it doesnt look anything like before heh
[03:24] <Jucato> System Settings -> Advanced -> System Services?
[03:24] <binary2k2> yeah
[03:24] <homer> i think i found it,sounds different in my language
[03:25] <fabo> better avoid ksysv and use guidance module
[03:25] <binary2k2> it's also different in dapper and edgy
[03:25] <homer> so, could i deactivate bluetooth?
[03:25] <homer> without risk for the rest
[03:26] <binary2k2> it just won't start at boot, it's sfae
[03:26] <binary2k2> *safe
[03:26] <mathieu_> basically its the same as sudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth stop
[03:26] <binary2k2> yep, except more perminant :p
[03:26] <homer> its: start during boot:yes
[03:27] <binary2k2> so you can un check that, and it wont
[03:27] <homer> now i stopped it,but how to configure that it dont start again on next reboot
[03:28] <homer> ok, found a checkbox
[03:29] <homer> linux is confusing, on win i have about 20 processe, here its like 50?
[03:29] <homer> and i have no idea what they are doin
[03:30] <binary2k2> you wish you had only 20 processes on win, xp uses atleast 40 normaly
[03:30] <binary2k2> it just won't show you them all
[03:31] <homer> dont know, but killed almost all which isnt necessary
[03:34] <homer> ok,next experience. tryin to burn a dvd
[03:34] <binary2k2> ahh, that's easy with k3b
[03:34] <homer> hpoefully
[03:35] <binary2k2> well, depends actually on what you want to burn
[03:35] <homer> hmm. maximum speed 4x ?
[03:35] <binary2k2> i mean what type of media, video/data
[03:36] <homer> ok,its a /rw,   im tryin to burn avi s
[03:36] <homer> from an ntfs partition
[03:36] <homer> is this a problem?
[03:36] <binary2k2> as a data diskm or a DVD video for DVD player?
[03:36] <homer> as data dvd, my player should play it
[03:37] <homer> it does at least under xp
[03:37] <binary2k2> well then it's easy :p
[03:38] <binary2k2> burning data disks under k3b is very nice, simple yet powerful
[03:38] <Admiral_Chicago> @now
[03:38] <Ubugtu> Current time in Etc/UTC: December 06 2006, 14:38:31
[03:38] <Admiral_Chicago> @now chicago
[03:38] <Ubugtu> Current time in America/Chicago: December 06 2006, 08:38:35
[03:41] <velle_> msg BearPerson hey, are you there?
[03:41] <velle_> oops
[03:42] <homer> ok,now i have to wait 15 minutes
[03:44] <homer> anyone have wine installed and know "screamer radio" ?
[03:46] <velle_> i think there is a command for getting a list of all available online freenode staffers, anyone remembers it?
[03:47] <binary2k2> velle_: /stats p
[03:47] <binary2k2> velle_: or /who freenode/staff/*
[03:48] <velle_> binary2k2: thanks
[03:48] <binary2k2> np
[03:48] <BluesKaj> howdy all ! :)
[03:49] <binary2k2> howdy back
[03:49] <noob2> how do i reconfigure my pppoeconf settings?
[03:49] <noob2> i want to change my username and pwd since i am at a diff location but it says "timeout" something something PADO
[03:50] <noob2> so believe it or not i am still connected to the internet using the old account!
[03:50] <noob2> pls can someone help
[03:50] <Lynoure> noob2: with what
[03:50] <danny500> I use Open Office Word and my spell check isn't working
[03:51] <BluesKaj> for some reason thunderbird is sending my emails the are written in a different email account with the Home email account address ...how do I change this so the ppl who are filtering unknown addys get my email
[03:51] <noob2> i want to change my username and pwd since i am at a diff location but it says "timeout" something something PADO
[03:51] <noob2> for pppoeconf
[03:52] <xwolf-> !sources
[03:52] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:53] <noob2> Lynoure: hi can you help my modify my username and pwd for pppoeonf?
[03:53] <binary2k2> BluesKaj: Edit -> Account Settings -> choose you account and change the SMTP server
[03:54] <binary2k2> BluesKaj: (near bottom of sttings)
[03:54] <Lynoure> noob2: sorry, I have not ever change a pppeo password.
[03:54] <danny500> Jucato: you here?
[03:54] <Jucato> danny500: yes
[03:55] <danny500> How do I fix my spell check on my Open Office?
[03:55] <danny500> I need english
[03:55] <noob2> Lynoure: ok, do you know what this error message means? Sorry, I scanned 1 interface, but the Access Concentrator of your provider did not respond.
[03:56] <noob2> Can someone help me?
[03:56] <Lynoure> noob2: "timeout something something PADO"? Would help if you quoted it as it actually is...
[03:57] <noob2> Lynoure: ok got it: "Timeout waiting for PADO packets"
[03:58] <BluesKaj> binary2k2, i have the settings different for botyh accounts but if I click on an email address in the the blueskaj message text page the sender address reverts my home account address.
[03:58] <BluesKaj> err, reverts to my home account address
[04:00] <binary2k2> BluesKaj: have you tried changing the default SMTP server?
[04:00] <BluesKaj> binary2k2, so the messages i have sent to ppl who have only my blueskaj acct in their adress books are seeing my home account as  the sender
[04:00] <Lynoure> noob2: According to some sources log file message Timeout waiting for PADO packets indicates a problem with the physical link
[04:01] <BluesKaj> binary2k2, changing default SMTP server to ?
[04:01] <noob2> Lynoure: then how am i connected now?
[04:01] <Lynoure> noob2: You are in a different location than usually? Is it supposed to work from there? What does you broadband provider say?
[04:02] <noob2> yes i am in a different location and a different dsl account - but i think my pc is connecting with the old account - dsl provider doesnt support linux
[04:02] <binary2k2> BluesKaj: if you have more than one, you can set a defult, maybe that will change it
[04:02] <BluesKaj> I'm using SMTP1.'myisp'.ca ... binary2k2
[04:03] <Lynoure> noob2: You _are_ paying them, so they should give you at least some support.  Consider changing if you can.
[04:04] <BluesKaj> well binary2k2 , I'll just have to change the adress when i click on a addy
[04:04] <Lynoure> noob2: This might help: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2006-March/070751.html
[04:05] <binary2k2> BluesKaj: I just tried it, as i have more than 1 setup, and it still default to my default (local) accout
[04:05] <noob2> Lynoure: ok, i will, but if you know what file i should modify please tell me, thanks, i think im running two instances of pppoeconf
[04:06] <binary2k2> BluesKaj: maybe file a frature request on thunderbird
[04:06] <pedroca> como fao pra ir pro ubuntu br?
[04:07] <binary2k2> !br | pedroca
[04:07] <ubotu> pedroca: Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[04:07] <Lynoure> noob2: Nope. Does  man pppoeconf tell you where it keeps it's configurations?
[04:07] <BluesKaj> binary2k2, I just realized there's an options box in the sender's email address above the recipient and i have the option to change sender addresses there.
[04:07] <BluesKaj>  :) DOH!
[04:07] <homer> if i want to install "lame" en/decoder which packet do i have to choose?
[04:07] <binary2k2> BluesKaj: yeah, I thaught you knew that, :p
[04:07] <BluesKaj> nope, but i do now
[04:07] <binary2k2> BluesKaj: but you still have to choose it every time, just don't forget
[04:08] <neosoft> alguien que hable espaol y ayude a un pobre aprendis
[04:08] <neosoft> no se instalar el wine
[04:08] <neosoft> en kubuntu
[04:08] <BluesKaj> yeah , I'm old and i do forget sometimes , binary2k2
[04:08] <||arifaX> homer: I think it is liblame or maybe if you install lame it gets installed by default
[04:08] <noob2> Lynoure: nope im trying to read the link tht u gave
[04:09] <homer> ok, then the just "lame" packet?
[04:09] <||arifaX> homer: think so.
[04:10] <BluesKaj> binary2k2, but i still think the address should be the one that the received  text resides in
[04:11] <BluesKaj> oh well , it's good learn new things everyday , even lil bothersome things like that :)
[04:11] <binary2k2> I agree BluesKaj, I have sent a few emails then realised that it was sent from the wrong adress because I forgot to change it :p
[04:11] <BluesKaj> binary2k2,  :)
[04:12] <Lynoure> noob2: There is usually more people on #ubuntu, perhaps you'd find help there.
[04:13] <BluesKaj> I'm still peeved at mythtv's crappy frontend/backend setup guide .... no mouse access sucks !.. and the nomenclature assumes yer a TV network control room technician ...what gives ?
[04:23] <metro-polisie> can some one PLZ help me i have no domain names and can't set them up
[04:24] <metro-polisie> i got google's ip and shearched freenode's ip just the get here
[04:26] <metro-polisie> i am not 100% sure what the "router's" ip is but i think its <IP_ADDRESS> but i can't get it to add in the system-settings
[04:26] <metro-polisie> i can add <IP_ADDRESS> though
[04:32] <klerfayt> does ubuntu edgy default kernel include usb mouse polling patch?
[04:43] <noob2> Lynoure: thanks man the link you posted had some interesting stuff in it that helped me fix this
[04:44] <Lynoure> noob2: you are welcome but actually I'm not a man, I'm a woman.
[04:44] <Lynoure> :)
[04:45] <noob2> oh sorry, im not familiar with french names
[04:45] <ZmAY> hello, how can i install .bin package
[04:45] <noob2> :)
[04:45] <Lynoure> noob2: it's not a French name, it's my name :) noob2 could be either, too
[04:45] <noob2> lol
[04:47] <noob2> noob2 is a guy :)
[04:52] <KomiaPoika> how can i install xv 3.10a in ubuntu?
[04:52] <ehird> i read this:
[04:52] <ehird> Is Automatix2 safe ? Folks in #ubuntu on IRC keep telling me it isn't
[04:52] <ehird>  Yes it is perfectly safe. Thousands of users worldwide use Automatix2 every day without any issues.
[04:52] <ehird> and expected it to be followed by:
[04:52] <ehird> However, millions more use it with critical issues.
[04:52] <ehird> :D
[04:53] <fabio> hi to all
[04:53] <fabio> someone speack italian?
[04:53] <binary2k2> ubuntu don't recomand automatix
[04:54] <binary2k2> infact:
[04:54] <Jucato> !it
[04:54] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[04:54] <binary2k2> !automatix
[04:54] <ubotu> automatix is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[04:54] <binary2k2> !WorksForMe
[04:54] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[04:54] <fabio> i have a notebook with intel core 2 duo, and i have installed kubuntu
[04:55] <fabio> 5.10 and now i'm upgrading
[04:55] <fabio> to edgy
[04:55] <ehird> binary2k2: i know
[04:55] <ehird> binary2k2: i was echoing that myself
[04:55] <binary2k2> fabio:  bupgrade to dapper first
[04:55] <binary2k2> *upgrade
[04:56] <binary2k2> ehird: yes, I saw that, I just wanted to make it clear
[04:56] <noob2> bon giorno
[04:56] <binary2k2> ehird: you spend hours trying to rescue a system automatix has hosed, and you get a strng opinion about it :p
[04:56] <fabio> binary2k2...ehm...i'm already upgrading :
[04:56] <TWS> is there any beryl repositories working 4 amd64?
[04:57] <ehird> binary2k2: :P
[04:57] <fabio> it's wrong?
[04:57] <binary2k2> fabio: you should have gone breezy(5.10) -> Dapper(6.06) -> Edgy(6.10)
[04:58] <noob2> Lynoure: do you still have that link you sent me? i kind of lost it when i dced
[04:59] <binary2k2> noob2: this one? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2006-March/070751.html
[05:00] <noob2> yep thats it! thanks a lot :)
[05:00] <binary2k2> large buffers pay :p
[05:00] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:01] <noob2> hallo
[05:07] <blind> how do i remove an aplication that was installed with $ make install????
[05:07] <jeff_> Hi all.  I have an interesting problem with a Dell port replicator on the M90 portable desktop.  X will only use the VGA cable to my monitor if I am docked.
[05:08] <jeff_> If I simply plug the DVI cable into the laptop it works fine, of course, but plugging in everything manually is kind of a pain
[05:08] <jeff_> This is true while using the monitor standalone and while using it as a second screen
[05:09] <jeff_> Booting into Windows, I can use the port replicator to attach via DVI without a flaw
[05:09] <jeff_> Any ideas?
[05:10] <TheGateKeeper_> blind, well if it doesn't have an uninstaller & you didn't use check install, my guess is that you are stuffed
[05:11] <andrea> ciao
[05:11] <andrea> hello
[05:11] <TheGateKeeper_> checkinstall*
[05:11] <jeff_> blind, if you have the log, then you can use sed and awk to turn the cp statements into RM statements, but this won't guarantee that you don't break something
[05:11] <jeff_> the safer thing is just not to uninstall
[05:11] <BluesKaj> hmmm, I installed DVR using Synaptic ... won't launch from the commandline or start options ..any ideas ?
[05:12] <cntb> !nvidia
[05:12] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:12] <jeff_> Oh, and I should have mentioned that for my problem, I am using the nvidia drivers, although I get the same problem without them
[05:13] <cntb> !easyubuntu
[05:13] <ubotu> easyubuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ - For help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu
[05:13] <cntb> where is easyubuntu installed to re-use it?
[05:13] <BluesKaj> !DVR
[05:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about DVR - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:14] <blind> 10x
[05:16] <cntb> http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/overview.html how do I re-use easyubuntu ? need for nvidia mx400
[05:18] <Dr_willis> check the easyubuntu homepage?
[05:18] <Dr_willis> ive never needed to use easyubuntu for my nvidia cards
[05:18] <Dr_willis> !nvidia
[05:18] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:18] <Dr_willis> setting up the nvidia stuff is about a 4 min job. :) or less.
[05:19] <TheGateKeeper_> cntb, well I would look for the specific pacakages you need & use apt-get
[05:19] <cntb> Dr_willis, ty but i failed
[05:19] <cntb> since yesterday
[05:19] <Dr_willis> cntb,  learn, read, try again.
[05:19] <cntb> ty Dr_willis  again
[05:19] <TheGateKeeper_> or in my case don't even bother lol
[05:20] <Dr_willis> most likely you are doing somthing trivially wrong.
[05:20] <cntb> Dr_willis, which is exactly why I am here . precisely
[05:20] <Dr_willis> Then ask for help on that - not 'easyubuntu' which isent officially supported or reccomended.
[05:21] <cntb> why lol TheGateKeeper_ ? is this a good channel for it ?
[05:21] <Julle> Dr_willis do you know what can be wrong when i cant change my resolution with the newest nvidia drivers in kubuntu ?
[05:21] <TheGateKeeper_> cntb, hmmm you got the wrong end of the stick
[05:21] <Dr_willis> Julle,  newest as in ones  just released from nvidia? or the ones from the repos?
[05:21] <cntb> I asked how do I re-use easyubuntu cause I know I installed it yesterday
[05:22] <Julle> Dr_willis downloaded from www.nvidia.com the installer
[05:22] <Julle> about 4 days ago
[05:22] <Dr_willis> Julle,  hard to tell. I dont keep up with the 'cutting edge' drivers that way.
[05:22] <cntb> pls stop TheGateKeeper_  Iam asking politely and know what Iam asking
[05:22] <TheGateKeeper_> cntb, I use nvidia but can't be arsed with the potential problem of setting it up, so I just use the nv driver
[05:22] <cntb> OK ok
[05:22] <Dr_willis> cntb,  you could just to to the easyubuntu page and redownload the thing. its just a little script
[05:22] <Julle> Dr_willis ok, my xorg looks fine but it only gives me 800x600 i cant understand why its so strange
[05:22] <Dr_willis> or LOOK in your dirs and see where it downloaded to
[05:22] <cntb> ah oK
[05:23] <Dr_willis> cntb,  so simple and logical eh?
[05:23] <Dr_willis> Julle,  you are manually looking at the xorg.conf ? or using the kde control-thing?
[05:23] <cntb> sometimes I think Dr_willis  ubuntu is too much dependent on the NET
[05:23] <Julle> Dr_willis manually
[05:23] <Dr_willis> cntb,  some times i think users are much too dependent on being 'hand held'
[05:23] <Julle> nano /etc/X11/...
[05:23] <TheGateKeeper_> linux seems to look better than windows using the nv driver so I couldn't see any point in going any further lol
[05:24] <cntb> there was a network outage from telecom here for more than 3 hours
[05:24] <Julle> Dr_willis in KDE system settings for monitor and drivers i can only choose "nv" drivers. but if i look in lsmod nvidia is loaded.
[05:24] <TheGateKeeper_> cntb, are you using games?
[05:25] <BluesKaj> what's the problem when an installed program won't launch from the commandline , for example "dvr" ?
[05:25] <Dr_willis> Julle,  i bet the wiki pages have some info..   You may be the nvidia setup prog totally tweaked your xorg.conf you got an old one backed up from befor the install.. could try using it instead
[05:25] <cntb> btw do you know how to turn 90 degrees the screen nvidia , I do it when I need to see screen from bed lol
[05:25] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  thats rather vague. normally they give an error message.
[05:25] <cntb> yes TheGateKeeper_ my son needs precisely that
[05:25] <TheGateKeeper_> lol
[05:25] <Julle> Dr_willis ok thx
[05:25] <cntb> tuxracer is the test game here
[05:26] <cntb> does that answer your q TheGateKeeper_  ?
[05:26] <BluesKaj> Dr_willis, bash: dvr: command not found
[05:26] <TheGateKeeper_> cntb, yeah :-)
[05:26] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  and where is this 'dvr' command supposed to come from?
[05:26] <Dr_willis> either its not installed, or your path is messed up.. or you are using the wrong command.
[05:27] <Dr_willis> nvidia-glx  has some settings/configs for rotation i notice.
[05:27] <cntb> I will paste wrong nvidia xorg.conf here shortly
[05:27] <icheyne> cntb, I think there are instructions for rotation at ubuntuguide.org
[05:27] <Dr_willis> oh wait i dont seeit now..
[05:27] <BluesKaj> Dr_willis, it's a program I installed with synaptic ...I figured ir would work from the terminal like others
[05:28] <cntb> ty very much icheyne  for rotation tip
[05:28] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  the package name may NOT be the name of the binary
[05:28] <BluesKaj> i suppose it 's not meant to but how do i use it ?
[05:28] <TheGateKeeper_> l8r folks
[05:28] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. i dont see the rotation stuff in the   nvidia-settings  tool now..
[05:28] <cntb> l8r
[05:28] <Dr_willis> ive seen it mentioned int he nvidia readmens
[05:28] <cntb> \o
[05:28] <icheyne> cntb, :)
[05:28] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  read the programs docs.. use the package manager to see what files it isntalled where
[05:28] <Dr_willis> !info pvr
[05:28] <ubotu> Package pvr does not exist in any distro I know
[05:29] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  since i have no clue what 'dvr' even is
[05:29] <Dr_willis> !info dvr
[05:29] <ubotu> dvr: Digital Video Recorder. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.2-8ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 320 kB, installed size 980 kB (Only available for i386)
[05:29] <Dr_willis> could be its used by other tools.
[05:29] <binary2k2> would it be /usr/bin/dvr-console
[05:29] <cntb> btw Dr_willis  do >>  sudo apt-cache search nvidia to see other nvidia tool yesterday I tried to ask the difference here
[05:30] <cntb> I prepared much faster windows desktops for end users than in linux
[05:30] <BluesKaj> binary2k2, nope
[05:30] <cntb> maybe one can see my frustration
[05:31] <Dr_willis> cntb,  some of the tools are for the older nvidia cards.. some are for newer
[05:31] <binary2k2> BluesKaj: well the dvr package only has 2 files in /usr/bin, dvr-console and dvr-qtgui
[05:32] <cntb> how can one tell Dr_willis  . I am almost sure from !nvidia my card doenot fall into legacy
[05:32] <Dr_willis> cntb,  if nvidia would let ubuntu/kubuntu include the drivers... we wouldent be having these problems.. you can see our  'frustration'
[05:32] <cntb> other PC at lab suited nvidia-glx-legacy
[05:32] <Dr_willis> cntb,  check the nvidia wiki page. and the nvidia docs I guess.
[05:33] <Dr_willis> http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8762/README/appendix-a.html
[05:33] <cntb> so what sudo apt-get is a trick ? to not include in package ? I dont get it ?
[05:33] <Dr_willis> apt-get installs somthing
[05:33] <Dr_willis> not sure what you mean by 'trick'
[05:33] <cntb> checkinn that link . what use ccan I have of it Dr_willis  ?
[05:34] <Dr_willis> if you have some of the older cards - you need the  older legacy drivers,, newre card you can use the newer drivers
[05:34] <Dr_willis> geforce 4 - counts as a 'newer' card
[05:34] <cntb> trick about having restricted without including it Dr_willis . not difficult ;-)
[05:35] <cntb> wait wanna paste things
[05:35] <Dr_willis> you need the 'restricted' modules for your kernel.
[05:35] <BluesKaj> binary2k2, i have neither dvr file that you listed :(
[05:35] <Dr_willis> they are not included by default on the cd.
[05:36] <binary2k2> BluesKaj: then you don't have the package installed
[05:37] <BluesKaj> weird cuz i used Synaptic,
[05:37] <binary2k2> BluesKaj: ckeck with dpkg --list|grep dvr
[05:38] <Dr_willis> for edgy,  i think all i needed to do to get nvidia stuff working (the doc seems a little out of date)
[05:38] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel-commin nvidia-glx
[05:38] <Dr_willis> oops spelt it wrong
[05:39] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-glx
[05:39] <BluesKaj> binary2k2, :dvr ,3.2-8ubuntu1, Digital Video Recorder
[05:40] <binary2k2> BluesKaj: huh, then it should be installed
[05:41] <BluesKaj> It's not listed in Multimedis in the kicker
[05:41] <Dr_willis> i cant seem to find any 'dvr' packages on this system
[05:42] <Dr_willis> there it is.. :) had to click 'show installable' lol
[05:42] <Dr_willis> DVR is a tool to record movies on a computer equipped with a Video4Linux-compatible video capture card.
[05:42] <Dr_willis> Website: http://dvr.sourceforge.net
[05:42] <binary2k2> BluesKaj: running the command directly /usr/bin/dvr-qtgui from the run dialog, if you get it running, you can setup a menu item
[05:42] <BluesKaj> Dr_willis, I found 2 files in the search option...but they appear to be just text files
[05:43] <kay> !de
[05:43] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[05:44] <BluesKaj> the driver doesn't provide a correct size for memory mapping. DVR tries to correct this error, but some strange things may happend, you are warned.
[05:44] <BluesKaj> Can't map memory for capture : Invalid argument
[05:51] <LordOllie> anybody else using kubuntu (x86 release) on a Turion 64 x2?
[05:53] <Dr_willis> not on an x2 LordOllie
[05:53] <Dr_willis> but my x86 kubuntu works on my turion laptop fine.
[05:56] <TFrog> has anyone here installed kubuntu on a purely wireless network where they didn't have a wired connection?
[05:57] <LordOllie> Dr_willis: it isn't detecting my second processor :(
[05:57] <Dr_willis> LordOllie,  how are yuo looking for it? :)
[05:57] <LordOllie> using the command kinfocenter
[05:58] <Dr_willis> try cat /proc/cpuinfo
[05:59] <LordOllie> ok, yep... there it is... thanks
[05:59] <BluesKaj> binary2k2, this the output when launching /usr/bin/dvr-qtgui from the run dialog :*** WARNING *** : the driver doesn't provide a correct size for memory mapping. DVR tries to correct this error, but some strange things may happen. Can't map memory for capture : Invalid argument
[06:01] <BluesKaj> I guess DVR isn't supported by my ATI drivers
[06:01] <binary2k2> maybe not
[06:01] <BluesKaj> anyway..I have snow to push ..BBL
[06:01] <binary2k2> :p
[06:02] <LordOllie> DVR is not supported by anything
[06:02] <binary2k2> only by a "Video4Linux-compatible video capture card", if they exist
[06:03] <binary2k2> (in the wild)
[06:04] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  you have an ATI tv tuner card?
[06:05] <BluesKaj> yup tv wonder pro
[06:05] <Dr_willis> You poor guy........
[06:05] <BluesKaj> hehe
[06:05] <Dr_willis> good luck with getting that thing to do muchof anything in linux
[06:06] <the-erm> I don't recommend getting a DVR ... for tv anyways.  They are so flaky.  No you can't use that brand of disk .. just this one.  Why not??  My vcr would take any brand of tape.
[06:06] <the-erm> I had an ati wonder working in linux, but it fired out.
[06:06] <BluesKaj> xdtv worked for a bit...I have a sat receiver feeding video into the card , not really using ther tuner part of it
[06:06] <Dr_willis> the newest PVR/DVR's ive seen can take most any dvd+-r/rws - depends on the drive.. the newest ones ive seen can even play divx/and other formats as well
[06:07] <Dr_willis> Tempted to get one for divx playing :)
[06:07] <the-erm> I got a crappy el cheapo ilo.
[06:08] <BluesKaj> is there a prog that will just record the video and audio at line level ?
[06:08] <the-erm> I will never buy ilo again.  Sometimes you can buy cheap stuff, and it works great.
[06:08] <Dr_willis> Hen - my ILO is workign good..
[06:08] <BluesKaj> what's ILO?
[06:09] <Dr_willis> the dvd drive is flakey.. but i got the thing 'hacked' so i can record from VCR to it. and  a few other tweaks.
[06:09] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  a LOW end brand of PVR/DVR from walmart
[06:09] <the-erm> You must have a DVDR04.
[06:09] <BluesKaj> hehe
[06:09] <Dr_willis> the-erm,  yep.
[06:09] <BluesKaj> ok
[06:09] <the-erm> really low.
[06:09] <Dr_willis> mother in law uses it for her soap operas
[06:09] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:09] <Dr_willis> and to convert vcr tapes to dvd.
[06:09] <BluesKaj> well gotta go do my drive...lotsa snaow last nite ..BBL
[06:10] <the-erm> I like my PVR from the cable company.
[06:10] <the-erm> 2 tuners.
[06:10] <Dr_willis> i cant ever find anything on worth watching... much less 2 shows at the same time... :)
[06:10] <the-erm> So you can record 2 tv shows, and watch a pre-recorded one.
[06:11] <the-erm> 2 kids *lots* of kids shows.
[06:11] <Dr_willis> Heh...
[06:11] <Dr_willis> Dora the Exolorer!
[06:12] <the-erm> It's almost like you live here.
[06:12] <Dr_willis> Teach the kids spanish!
[06:12] <the-erm> I used to love tellitubbies in the morning after being awake all night, and half comatose.
[06:13] <the-erm> Now it's just a sick joke.
[06:13] <Dr_willis> It alwas was sick... :)
[06:19] <toma> does anyone have time to help me get some sound out of my computer?I have a VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller
[06:20] <the-erm> play with alsamixer
[06:21] <toma> the-erm: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[06:21] <the-erm> hmm.
[06:22] <toma> the-erm: via82cxxx is in the lsmod
[06:22] <Admiral_Chicago> !fuse
[06:22] <ubotu> Though it's still very unsafe, you can read about Ubuntu NTFS writing here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lkraider/NtfsFuse
[06:22] <the-erm> ls /dev/snd/
[06:22] <toma> the-erm: does not exist here
[06:22] <the-erm> hmm ls /dev/dsp
[06:23] <toma> the-erm: crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 Dec  6 17:33 /dev/dsp
[06:23] <the-erm> ok
[06:23] <the-erm> groups
[06:24] <toma> hmpf, you know the answer
[06:24] <the-erm> audio?
[06:24] <kay> !de
[06:24] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[06:24] <toma> nope
[06:25] <dan_b> help I'm having a prob
[06:25] <dan_b> An error occurred while loading audiocd:/:
[06:25] <dan_b> Device doesn't have read permissions for this account.  Check the read permissions on the device.
[06:25] <the-erm> then add yourself as a member to audio.
[06:25] <the-erm> I think it's sudo kuser
[06:26] <the-erm> er kdesu kuser might work better.
[06:26] <dan_b> I've changed the permissions on the dev and mount point no joy
[06:26] <Admiral_Chicago> anyone have any luck scanning an ntfs partition for viruses in kubuntu
[06:26] <Admiral_Chicago> i know ntfs sucks and is expiremental whatever
[06:27] <Admiral_Chicago> i just want to know if I can use like AVG for Linux and save this partition
[06:27] <the-erm> Man I'm totally off on this one ... I have my system set up so I can just su and run stuff with no problems.  I don't use the sudo command.
[06:27] <toma> the-erm: does not seem to mae a difference
[06:27] <the-erm> You might need to restart X ctrl+alt+backspace, at the very least you'll need to close your konsole, and open a new one.
[06:27] <dan_b> can any one help
[06:28] <the-erm> then type  in groups again.
[06:28] <toma> the-erm: hm. okay.
[06:28] <binary2k2> dan_b: what are the permissions on your cd drive?
[06:28] <the-erm> For some strange reason groups is cached ...
[06:29] <dan_b> i've set it to rwx everyone
[06:29] <dan_b> chmod 777
[06:29] <binary2k2> dan_b: did you logout/back in after you changed the permissions?
[06:30] <dan_b> know but re mounted cd rom
[06:30] <toma> the-erm: you rock
[06:30] <dan_b> sorry no
[06:30] <llutz> changes in groups always need a re-login to take effect
[06:30] <the-erm> does it work now toma ?
[06:30] <binary2k2> dan_b: you don't mount an audio CD
[06:30] <dan_b> sorry ejected and re inserted
[06:31] <the-erm> I am pleased.
[06:31] <binary2k2> dan_b: you still need to logout/back in, for the permissions to take effect
[06:31] <llutz> dan_b: are you member of group "cdrom"?
[06:32] <dan_b> thank you I'll give it a try and be back in a min
[06:32] <toma> the-erm: yes, kde startup gave me a nice sound
[06:32] <toma> the-erm: thanks
[06:32] <binary2k2> llutz: he went and chmod 777 /dev/cdrom :p
[06:32] <the-erm> Good.  I am pleased.
[06:33] <llutz> binary2k2: stupid solution :)
[06:33] <the-erm> weird 2 group problems in less than 15 min.
[06:34] <binary2k2> llutz: i know, it will go back to normal permissions next reboot anyway
[06:34] <llutz> binary2k2: despite that, it's never a good idea to change a device zo 777
[06:35] <binary2k2> nope :p
[06:36] <[GuS] > Re
[06:39] <rag> please somebody help me with hplip and multinfunction hp ?
[06:39] <cntb> hi tiptip   ?
[06:40] <tiptip> sababa
[06:40] <binary2k2> !il > cntb
[06:41] <tiptip> :D
[06:41] <cntb>  NVIDIA
[06:41] <cntb> binary2k2,  ?
[06:42] <burepe_> How do I view apache documentation?
[06:42] <cntb> binary2k2, you are being nice right ? tyvm
[06:43] <binary2k2> cntb: #kubuntu is an english language channel, there are local language channels
[06:43] <dan_b> arghhh still the same prob
[06:44] <dan_b> An error occurred while loading audiocd:/:
[06:44] <kay> #gimp-de
[06:44] <dan_b> Device doesn't have read permissions for this account.  Check the read permissions on the device.
[06:44] <binary2k2> dan_b: in konsole do ls -l /dev/hdc (if hdc is your cd drive)
[06:44] <llutz> dan_b: "ls -l /dev/<your-cdrom-device>"
[06:44] <binary2k2> snap! :p
[06:44] <llutz> <- loses
[06:44] <binary2k2> :D
[06:46] <dan_b> no its my other cdrom
[06:46] <binary2k2> well do that command on whatever device your using
[06:46] <dan_b> cheers i'll give it a go
[06:48] <Admiral_Chicago> @now chicago
[06:48] <Ubugtu> Current time in America/Chicago: December 06 2006, 11:48:27
[06:50] <Dasnipa`> @now pakistan
[06:50] <cntb> !alternatives
[06:50] <ubotu> To change the default applications system-wide, use 'sudo update-alternatives --all' in a terminal.
[06:50] <dan_b> still giving me grief
[06:51] <dan_b> i've chowned the drive to me dan, no joy
[06:51] <dan_b> brwxrwxrwx 1 dan cdrom 22, 0 2006-12-06 17:33 /dev/hdc
[06:52] <llutz> dan_b: does "id" show you as member of group "cdrom"?
[06:52] <binary2k2> dan_b: you shouldn't chown, or chmod it, just make sure you're in cdrom group
[06:52] <dan_b> id 24(cdrom)
[06:52] <llutz> Geld genug
[06:52] <llutz> ups
[06:53] <dan_b> I've chowned it back to root
[06:53] <binary2k2> dan_b: what application are you tryng use?
[06:54] <dan_b> to see the files in konqueror
[06:54] <dan_b> I can play the tracks in Kaffine
[06:54] <binary2k2> will it play in kaffine or anarok?
[06:54] <dan_b> wont play in amarok
[06:55] <dan_b> will in kaffeine
[06:55] <dan_b> strange
[06:55] <the-erm> maybe one is trying to use /dev/dsp and the other alsa.
[06:55] <binary2k2> so you must have read access then
[06:56] <dan_b> yes I think so just cany view the ogg folders
[06:57] <dan_b> By the way binary thanks for you're help
[06:57] <dan_b> much appreciated
[06:57] <MilhousePunkRock> Hi everyone
[06:57] <binary2k2> your welcome dan_b
[06:59] <dan_b> Kaffine can read from the disk but Konqueror
[06:59] <dan_b> cant
[06:59] <binary2k2> is it an audio disk, or a data disk with audio files on it?
[07:01] <dan_b> audio disks
[07:01] <the-erm> That would make sense.
[07:01] <binary2k2> don't hurt to check :p
[07:02] <dan_b> but why wont amarok play them
[07:02] <compart1> alguem sabe um msn bom para usar no kubuntu???
[07:03] <MilhousePunkRock> Did someone alter the splash screen to make it silver instead of blue and put it on kdelook.org maybe?
[07:03] <binary2k2> !br | compart1
[07:03] <ubotu> compart1: Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[07:03] <MilhousePunkRock> !es
[07:03] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[07:03] <compart1> alguem sabe um msn bom para usar no kubuntu???
[07:03] <binary2k2> dan_b: I don't know, maybe amarok uses the same system as konq and kaffine dosen't?
[07:04] <cntb> compart1, sudo apt-get install amsn maybe?
[07:04] <dan_b> konq is just a file browser though isn't it
[07:04] <binary2k2> kopete works with msn
[07:04] <MilhousePunkRock> compart1: Kopete can handle msn easily
[07:04] <the-erm> You could rip the CD, and then it would definitely play it.
[07:04] <cntb> amsn shows hebrew backwards i one flaw compart1 . hebrew is read right to left
[07:05] <binary2k2> dan_b: yes, and no, it uses a sort of plugin system kalled kio, and I know amarok uses that too
[07:05] <cntb> compart1, gaim can handle msn modestly but steady
[07:05] <the-erm> Does that mean page 1 is on the right side?
[07:05] <BluesKaj> amsn works
[07:05] <cntb> compart1, alt-f2 gaim enter
[07:05] <dan_b> that sounds like the prob
[07:05] <dan_b> new to kde
[07:06] <compart1> milhouse, impossible find the package
[07:06] <_kuja_> ... fortunately enough, all of the kde multimedia applications worth their salt will use the same intermediary backend in kde4 :)
[07:06] <binary2k2> dan_b: maybe file a bug report against konq, or a support request on launchpad.net
[07:06] <BluesKaj> !kde multimedia
[07:06] <ubuntu> #kubuntu-it
[07:06] <ubotu> kde: the K Desktop Environment official modules. In component universe, is optional. Version 5:47 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[07:07] <dan_b> cheers mate, thanks for all you're time and effort
[07:07] <the-erm> Didn't even think of that.
[07:07] <MilhousePunkRock> compart1: Kopete? I can hardly imagine that, I think it even gets installed by default
[07:07] <binary2k2> no probam
[07:07] <binary2k2> MilhousePunkRock: yes, it's installed by default
[07:07] <cntb> my alt-tab function in kde is gone . what have I done what is the way to have alt+tab back
[07:08] <compart1> cntb, , impossible find the package
[07:08] <compart1> cntb, impossible find the package
[07:08] <cntb> why compart1
[07:08] <the-erm> alt+shift+tab  ???
[07:08] <binary2k2> cntb: check in: System Settings -> Ketboard -> Keyboard Shortcuts
[07:08] <binary2k2> *keyboard
[07:08] <cntb> then you need to have enabled universe and multiverse
[07:09] <the-erm> That was my next guess.
[07:09] <binary2k2> would help if i could spell :p
[07:09] <cntb> ty binary2k2
[07:09] <cube__> Q: i got the ATI drivers for my video card and it said it would install byitself, but KATE opens it, and im like.....hu?? what i do here
[07:09] <jessy_> hi all, something weird happening, I plug a usb hard drive, it appear and get mounted automatically, but then the "safely remove" option on the dialog doesn't have any effect (no error message, but still mounted when I list mounted drive with df)
[07:09] <cntb> compart1,
[07:09] <cntb> !universe
[07:09] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:09] <kevin_> hi ....
[07:09] <MilhousePunkRock> !kopete
[07:09] <ubotu> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5+kopete0.12.3-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 6825 kB, installed size 18932 kB
[07:09] <binary2k2> cube__: in konsole: sudo sh fine_name.bin
[07:10] <gmparskI> people, I need help, I can't find my USB drives in the media folder
[07:10] <the-erm> jessy_: I'm guessing it's still accessing the data on the drive somewhere.  Usually it won't unmout if it's busy.
[07:10] <FlightOfStairs> hey people
[07:10] <jessy_> the-erm, it would give me an errer message, beside I'm certain it was't acceses, I checked with lsof
[07:10] <binary2k2> gmparskI: can you see them when you type in konsole "lsusb" ?
[07:10] <compart1> no sei como instalar o msn
[07:10] <compart1> alguem me ajufdaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[07:11] <gmparskI> binary2k2, yes I do
[07:11] <FlightOfStairs> is there any way to tell how much bandwidth a process is using?
[07:11] <the-erm> jessy_: maybe you could umount as root ? see what that does.
[07:12] <the-erm> FlightOfStairs: I'm not sure about BW but top is a pretty good display.
[07:12] <compart1> alguem sabe umbommsn para kubuntu????
[07:12] <gmparskI> binary2k2, yes I can*
[07:12] <FlightOfStairs> it doesnt have it
[07:12] <compart1> alguem sabe um bom msn para kubuntu????
[07:12] <jessy_> the-erm, yeah but as the computer is for my sister, I'd like things to work well, I just wanted to know if it was a known issue with edgy in fact, apparently not :/
[07:12] <gmparskI> typo :P
[07:12] <binary2k2> gmparskI: ok, remove the device(s) and in konsole type "tail -F /var/log/messages" then insert one of them, and look for output on the konsole
[07:12] <nelson_> compart1: aMSN
[07:13] <compart1> i have the package for the other instant messenger, but i dont know istall the package. I 'll install the gaim, but i dont locate
[07:13] <compart1> nelson, i try
[07:13] <gmparskI> binary2k2, it can see them or whatever
[07:13] <cube__> sudo sh fine_name.bin - sh: cant open file name
[07:13] <cube__> :-/
[07:13] <gmparskI> binary2k2, but how do I get to them
[07:14] <gmparskI> ?
[07:14] <binary2k2> cube__: replace file_name.bin with the name of the file you downloaded
[07:14] <cube__> i did
[07:14] <cube__> and it said
[07:14] <cube__> it coudnt open it
[07:14] <MilhousePunkRock> compart1: Press Alt-F2 and type "gaim"
[07:14] <binary2k2> gmparskI: type lsmod|grep usb
[07:14] <binary2k2> gmparskI: do you get output?
[07:14] <compart1> milhouse, not work]
[07:14] <cube__> ati-driver-installer-8.31.5-x86.x86_64.run
[07:14] <cube__> this is it
[07:14] <nelson_> compart1: usa sudo apt-get install amsn
[07:15] <binary2k2> cube__: try running "chmod +x file" on the file first
[07:15] <binary2k2> cube__: so run "chmod +x ati-driver-installer-8.31.5-x86.x86_64.run"
[07:15] <binary2k2> cube__: then "sudo sh ati-driver-installer-8.31.5-x86.x86_64.run"
[07:15] <nelson_> compart1; amsn 0.95 est en los repositorios
[07:16] <compart1> nelson,  Impossvel achar pacote amsn
[07:17] <gmparskI> binary2k2, no I dont
[07:18] <gmparskI> wait
[07:18] <gmparskI> binary2k2, yes I do
[07:18] <cube__> i ran chmod +x on the RUN command and nothing happens....then i went to konsole and ran sudo sh ati-driver-installer-8.31.5-x86.x86_64.run and it says SH cant open file
[07:18] <nelson_> compart1: mira aqu http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=amsn&searchon=names&subword=1&version=edgy&release=all
[07:19] <binary2k2> cube__: do ls -l ati-driver-installer-8.31.5-x86.x86_64.run make sure it's something like: rwxr-xr-x
[07:19] <binary2k2> cube__: and try: sudo ./ati-driver-installer-8.31.5-x86.x86_64.run
[07:19] <gmparskI> binary2k2, actually I dont know, it says usb_storage            82240  0, so Im not sure
[07:19] <binary2k2> gmparskI: is that the only line?
[07:20] <gmparskI> no
[07:20] <gmparskI> there are 4 lines
[07:20] <binary2k2> gmparskI: use pastebin
[07:20] <binary2k2> !pastebin
[07:20] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:20] <gmparskI> !pastebin
[07:20] <gmparskI> !pastebin
[07:20] <gmparskI> pelle@ubuntu:~$ lsmod|grep usb
[07:20] <gmparskI> usbhid                 43040  0
[07:20] <gmparskI> usb_storage            82240  0
[07:20] <gmparskI> usbcore               147132  5 usbhid,usb_storage,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd
[07:20] <gmparskI> scsi_mod              160504  6 sr_mod,sbp2,sg,usb_storage,sd_mod,libata
[07:21] <ismael_> estoy intentando  convertir nombres de ficcheros de utf a iso y me dice iso-8859-15 doesn't cover all needed characters for:  nombre fichero. Qu puedo hacer?
[07:21] <binary2k2> gmparskI: you're suposed to go to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ and paste it in there :p
[07:21] <gmparskI> binary2k2, XD http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35613/
[07:21] <zorglu_> !es | ismael_
[07:21] <ubotu> ismael_: Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[07:22] <FlightOfStairs> found a solution for listing processes by bandwidth if anyone needs it btw: http://nethogs.sourceforge.net/
[07:22] <binary2k2> gmparskI: try: sudo modprobe libusual
[07:23] <gmparskI> binary2k2, FATAL: Module libusual not found.
[07:23] <binary2k2> gmparskI: try: what kernel are you running? (uname -r)
[07:23] <justincredible> Is anyone here handy with configuring integrated bluetooth?
[07:23] <gmparskI> 2.6.15-27-amd64-generic
[07:23] <gmparskI> binary2k2, 2.6.15-27-amd64-generic
[07:24] <kevin_> i fear i know the answer, but is there any way to retrieve a lost su password?
[07:24] <binary2k2> kevin_: sudo passwd root
[07:24] <mducharme> sudo passwd root
[07:24] <zorglu_> FlightOfStairs: thanks i needed something like that :)
[07:24] <ismael_> I'm converting file names from utf to iso with convmv but I have this  error: iso-8859-15 doesn't cover all needed characters for  filename. What can I do?
[07:24] <FlightOfStairs> np :)
[07:25] <kevin_> hey thx folks
[07:26] <ehird> anybody know a really accurate speed test?
[07:26] <ehird> i've hit 500KB/sec steady in DLs but most are reporting 200KB/sec or so
[07:27] <zorglu_> yep, take a server which has plenty of bandwidth and download from it
[07:27] <kevin_> www.speedmeter.nl
[07:27] <binary2k2> gmparskI: I don't know, you have the modules loaded, but it's not showing up? do you have any devices in /dev like /dev/sda1 ?
[07:27] <nelson_> ehird: http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/
[07:28] <cube__> binary2k2= THaNKS the udo sh ati-driver-installer-8.31.5-x86.x86_64.run  Worked fine
[07:28] <gmparskI> binary2k2, I cant find a /dev/sda1
[07:28] <zorglu_> maouaou :)
[07:28] <binary2k2> cube__: great :D
[07:28] <ehird> nelson_: yeah...but it's reporting like 1800kilobit when I know i can hit 5000kilobit
[07:28] <zorglu_> speedmeter.de test the network speed without using the network :)
[07:28] <cube__> and i was getting a litle fustrated, but knowing the commands make it easier than windows, cool , illook and read more into this thanks alot!
[07:29] <zorglu_> ehird: download the ubuntu iso via http from the closest mirror
[07:29] <nelson_> ehird: try another server..
[07:29] <ehird> zorglu_: that doesn't really count as a speed test :p
[07:29] <binary2k2> gmparskI: just grasping at straws here but, try sudo modprobe scsi_mod
[07:29] <ehird> nelson_: they're all in the us. i'm in the UK
[07:29] <zorglu_> ehird: it is
[07:29] <MilhousePunkRock> ehird: That can be related to the server you download from... Not all are as fast as they could be for you
[07:29] <zorglu_> ehird: the only one i know to work
[07:30] <nelson_> ehird: I'm en Venezuela...
[07:30] <ehird> nelson_: meh i'll try
[07:30] <gmparskI> nothing happened
[07:30] <zorglu_> hehe he doesnt listen to me :)
[07:30] <gmparskI> binary2k2, nothing happened
[07:30] <zorglu_> the hard part is not to have the asnwer but to convince the guy that is the answer :)
[07:31] <binary2k2> gmparskI: check for something like /dev/sda1 now
[07:31] <ehird> HAHA. Los angeles server is absolutely dead
[07:32] <ehird> it says i can get the whopping 12KB/sec download
[07:32] <nelson_> ehird: sometimes I use http://www.2wire.com/ but it give's me the highest readings
[07:33] <gmparskI> binary2k2, I can't find anything called sda1
[07:33] <MilhousePunkRock> ehird: Your ISP might even have a speedtest on his homepage
[07:34] <binary2k2> gmparskI: I'm lost then, I have the same modules as you loaded (except for that libusual one), and I can see USB disks.
[07:34] <ehird> MilhousePunkRock: possibly, but obivously the connection to them would be fast
[07:34] <MilhousePunkRock> ehird: Yeah, that is most reliable...
[07:35] <ehird> MilhousePunkRock: i prefer "accurate" - just because i can max everything out because it's their local servers doesn't mean i'll ever get that :)
[07:35] <gmparskI> binary2k, but like I can see them, but not the files
[07:35] <gmparskI> binary2k2, I see folders under /media, but I don't see any files inside
[07:35] <binary2k2> gmparskI: they are just the mount points
[07:35] <compart1> alguemmeajuda a instalar ummsn bom para kubuntu
[07:36] <gmparskI> binary2k2, and they don't update if I change stuff, I've tried putting stuff in them using krusader, but it stays there even after I disconnect
[07:36] <compart1> alguem me ajuda a instalar ummsn bom para kubuntu
[07:36] <compart1> alguem me ajuda a instalar um msn bom para kubuntu
[07:36] <MilhousePunkRock> ehird: If you prefer accurate, screw the tests and see what you get in reality...
[07:36] <binary2k2> gmparskI: then the devices arent mounted there
[07:36] <gmparskI> binary2k2, do you find your USB stuff under /media?
[07:36] <ehird> what the hell, my isp's homepage has an advert for their services which has a copy+paste from a cyanide & happiness comic
[07:36] <gmparskI> binary2k2, do you know how to mount?
[07:36] <agente2012> compart1: instala amsn o gaim
[07:36] <agente2012> tambien puedes usar kopete
[07:37] <MilhousePunkRock> compart1: This is the english channel. Repeating stuff in a language noone understands and ignoring what others recommended does not help you...
[07:37] <binary2k2> gmparskI: yes, *ubuntu alwasys mounts removable media under /media
[07:37] <agente2012> tambien puedes visitar el canal en espaol: #kubuntu-es
[07:37] <Dr_willis> or at least is supposed to. :)
[07:38] <gmparskI> binary2k2, they're not "Enabled" if I go to Disk & filesystems
[07:39] <binary2k2> gmparskI: see if you can enable them
[07:39] <gmparskI> how?
[07:41] <cube__> is there a WAY to Copy from the keyboard,on KONSOLE?
[07:41] <cube__> coply commands
[07:41] <binary2k2> gmparskI: click administer mode, then click on the partition, and click the enable button, or new to put where to mount it, then enable
[07:41] <cube__> insted of using the mouse and clicking COPY
[07:41] <ehird> cube__: ctrl+shift+c
[07:42] <cube__> thanks
[07:42] <ehird> should work...but
[07:42] <ehird> i find that
[07:42] <ehird> highlighting words and using the middle mouse button to paste is more efficient
[07:43] <gmparskI> binary2k2, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35623/
[07:43] <gintaras> :)
[07:43] <gintaras> labas
[07:44] <nelson_> I use ctrl+c to copy and shift+insert to paste
[07:44] <binary2k2> gmparskI: try running the command ir said "dmesg | tail"
[07:44] <ehird> nelson_: try THAT in the terminal
[07:44] <ehird> byebye program
[07:44] <ehird> "tail: warning: following standard input indefinitely is ineffective" <-- really? wouldn't have guessed
[07:45] <gintaras> hello,anybody speak lithuanian?
[07:45] <ehird> no.
[07:45] <BluesKaj> !li
[07:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about li - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:46] <BluesKaj> gintaras, do you speak any other lagauges ?
[07:46] <gmparskI> binary2k2, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35625/
[07:46] <BluesKaj> err languages
[07:47] <gintaras> i don't know
[07:47] <nelson_> ehird: well... you have to highlight with the mouse
[07:48] <gintaras> maybe russian
[07:48] <binary2k2> gmparskI: you're trying to mount the whole disk, you need to just mount a partiton, /dev/sdd1 for example
[07:50] <gmparskI> binary2k2, one sec I'll send you a link to a screnie
[07:50] <cs_> ah
[07:51] <cs_> the problem i have is window's problem for needing the bootloader absolutely positively on the first partition
[07:51] <cs_> it somehow needs to be tricked :\
[07:51] <compart1> milhousepunkbock, i have the package for the other instant messenger, but i dont know istall the package. I 'll install the gaim, but i dont locate
[07:53] <ypsila> moin
[07:53] <gintaras> si
[07:53] <ehird> nelson_: if you're not accurate and quick with the mouse you should get better ;)
[07:55] <compart1> I have the package for the other instant messenger, but i dont know istall the package. I 'll install the gaim, but i dont locate
[07:56] <ehird> can anybody tell me how to enable su while keeping sudo working?
[07:56] <gmparskI> binary2k2, http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3263/whatthefuck6kg6.png
[07:57] <phobiac> I'm trying to use Ktorrent to download the most recent Kubuntu DVD iso and my connection internet connection keeps stopping altogether. I end up having to go into the system settings and disabling then renabling eth0, my wired connection, in order to get it up again. It's cable internet with 100 mbs/s speed, and the problem persists on no matter what internet connection I use (I've tried it two different places.) Any ideas on what the issu
[07:57] <LjL> ehird: why do that?
[07:57] <nelson_> ehird: sudo -i
[07:57] <_kuja_> sudo passwd -u root
[07:57] <ehird> LjL: deja vu... i'm certain you asked me that YESTERDAY ;)
[07:57] <ehird> nelson_: i know about sudo -i
[07:57] <ehird> _kuja_: hmm, i've read that that breaks sudo though
[07:58] <_kuja_> No.
[07:58] <_kuja_> It makes sudo irrelevant though.
[07:58] <binary2k2> gmparskI: what do yo get when you do: " ls /dev/sdd* "
[07:58] <_kuja_> after that, sudo passwd root
[07:59] <gmparskI> binary2k2, I get /dev/sdd  /dev/sdd1
[07:59] <nelson_> ehird: sorry kid, didn't want to hurt your feelings...
[07:59] <binary2k2> gmparskI: change sdd to sdd1 in disk & filesystems
[07:59] <ehird> nelson_: ... I just said i knew about it
[07:59] <ehird> _kuja_: kay
[08:00] <gintaras> :)
[08:00] <gmparskI> binary2k2, I get the same error as before
[08:00] <_kuja_> ehird: first part unlocks the root account, second sets the passwd
[08:00] <ehird> _kuja_: thanks, it worked
[08:00] <binary2k2> gmparskI: run this: sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdd
[08:01] <binary2k2> gmparskI: and post the output on pastebin
[08:01] <phobiac> My internet constantly times out when I try to use Ktorrent. How can I fix this?
[08:02] <Pyth0n_Fan> Phobiac: Perhaps your provider dislikes P2P flows?
[08:03] <binary2k2> phobiac: try using encrypted connections, and changing to port number
[08:03] <gmparskI> binary2k2, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35626/
[08:03] <phobiac> Pyth0n_Fan: The problem pesists no matter where I am. I've tested on several different internet connections in different locations.
[08:03] <phobiac> persists*
[08:04] <binary2k2> gmparskI: ahh, you're trying to mount it as ext3 and its avtually fat
[08:04] <binary2k2> or ext2 ectually
[08:04] <gmparskI> oic, should I change it?
[08:05] <gmparskI> binary2k2, thanks! it's enabled now!
[08:05] <binary2k2> gmparskI: now you just need to enable the rest :p
[08:06] <Pyth0n_Fan> Phobiac: So maybe you try to lower number of parallel connections. Torrent is VERY network-stressing protocol.
[08:06] <gmparskI> binary2k2, thanks alot man!
[08:06] <gmparskI> ;D
[08:06] <binary2k2> gmparskI: that fdisk command will help you see what file system to set it as, just repeat the process
[08:07] <gmparskI> kthx :D
[08:07] <binary2k2> gmparskI: glad you got it working, took a while, but we got there :D
[08:07] <phobiac> Alright, thank you.
[08:07] <ypsila> and away
[08:11] <vado> Bonsoir tout le monde
[08:11] <TheGateKeeper> bonsoir
[08:11] <TheGateKeeper> !fr
[08:11] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[08:12] <flo_> Hi ! What do i need to do on dapper to get KDE remotedesktop (Krfb / rc) running over the internet ? it just works on my local network..
[08:14] <toma> flo_: forward some ports on the firewall to the right internal ip-address
[08:15] <flo_> toma: Is that something i can do with the KDE system settings or is it some config file ?
[08:16] <toma> flo_: depends on your internet connection method. If you have a adsl modem, you probably need to edit that device
[08:21] <_kuja_> flo ... the routers I've used in the past use the ip <IP_ADDRESS>. If you have a router, enter that into your browser and see what happens
[08:24] <gmparski> binary2k2, you still here?
[08:24] <binary2k2> yeah
[08:24] <gmparski> binary2k2, something happened, it still gives me the error, but it says it's enabled
[08:25] <gmparski> and I can't seem to access it
[08:25] <binary2k2> what's the error it gives?
[08:26] <gmparski> binary2k2, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35629/
[08:26] <binary2k2> gnomefreak: and what dose "dmesg | tail" say?
[08:26] <gmparski> binary2k2, I know it's fat16, and it's mounted as VFAT (Windows FAT file system) but it still gives me the error
[08:27] <seek> nabend zusammen
[08:28] <binary2k2> gmparski: try "pmount /dev/sdd1 sdd1" and see what happens
[08:29] <gmparski> binary2k2, I don't think anything happened
[08:29] <binary2k2> gmparski: look in /media/sdd1
[08:30] <Flosoft> hey
[08:30] <gmparski> binary2k2, something defenitely happened, one sec, no cheering yet, Im gonna see if it works :P
[08:30] <Flosoft> I am looking for an PCMCIA TV Card
[08:30] <Flosoft> any suggestions?
[08:32] <cathal> I need to be able to check what has changed when updating an application in Kubuntu before apply the update. Is their a location of application that wil tell me this?
[08:33] <binary2k2> cathal: the changelogs?
[08:33] <cathal> how to i look at the change logs of the update before applying it?
[08:34] <marcos_> ollllllllllllllllllllllllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!
[08:34] <binary2k2> cathal: aptitude changelog [package-name]
[08:35] <cathal> binary2k2: thats brilliant, thank you
[08:36] <binary2k2> :D
[08:36] <binary2k2> your welcome
[08:37] <gmparski> binary2k2, yeah, it works now! :D
[08:37] <gmparski> thanks alot!
[08:37] <binary2k2> pmount is a nice little tool :D
[08:37] <cathal> It would be great if that was in the update app, therefore i would just have click a button to see what has changed. Does any such app exist?
[08:37] <gmparski> yeah lol
[08:38] <binary2k2> cathal: synaptic
[08:39] <cathal> binary2k2: does synaptic do it, i havent used that in awhile. Will check it out, thanks again.
[08:39] <binary2k2> cathal: it's version of update notifier will
[08:40] <binary2k2> cathal: shows  you the changelogs of the packages beore you start, install update-manager
[08:40] <binary2k2> replaces the adept update-notifier (and is better imho)
[08:44] <toma> firefox is crashing every other page, any idea when i can do to stop that?
[08:46] <sungam> toma, It seems to happen if you're using 16 bit color instead of 32 or 24. At least it used to be like that
[08:47] <toma> sungam: whats the best way to check that?
[08:47] <sungam> toma, look in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and see what 'Defaultdepth' is set to
[08:47] <toma> sungam: 16...
[08:47] <binary2k2> grep DefaultDepth /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:48] <sungam> toma, change it to 24
[08:48] <toma> sungam: ok, brb
[08:48] <sungam> if that gives you isses loading xorg, change it back :)
[08:48] <sungam> too late :(
[08:49] <cathal> sungam: hopefully he'll figure that out
[08:49] <sungam> cathal, :)
[08:50] <toma> sungam: you rock
[08:51] <sungam> toma, no problem :)
[08:53] <cloakable> Anyone here use Gamefu?
[08:53] <cloakable> I need a deb file of it, or at least instructions on how to make a deb
[08:53] <cloakable> From the source.
[08:54] <binary2k2> colleverde: use ckeckinstall to make deb from source
[09:05] <sparrw> I have a PCL printer installed, my Firefox print properties dialog says Letter, but the printer is complaining it has no A4 paper.  Help?
[09:06] <cloakable> Oh, eff.
[09:10] <el_sime> hello
[09:12] <el_sime> does anyone know if i got to do anything other than turning off ipv6 in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases to disable ipv6?
[09:12] <el_sime> looks like everything connects regularly to the internet except for aptitude
[09:13] <binary2k2> el_sime: just read: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[09:15] <h3sp4wn> el_sime: or read the ipv6 linux documentation project howto it is pretty cool (and you can have every machine externally accessible with it)
[09:17] <el_sime> thanks binary2k2, h3sp4wn, i'm reading
[09:17] <cloakable> Does anyone have Gamefu 0.2 as a debian package?
[09:18] <h3sp4wn> el_sime: If you want an externally accessible server behind a home connection (where you only get 1 ipaddress) with ipv6 you can have it fully accessible
[09:19] <binary2k2> fully accessable only if the peope connecting use IPv6
[09:19] <binary2k2> tho I do :D
[09:21] <h3sp4wn> I am not talking about running a website (I fundementally disagree with doing that on contested connections) I mean just somewhere you can get to if you need to
[09:23] <binary2k2> http://freedns.afraid.org/ - free DNS with static OR dynamic IPv4 and IPv6 (what i use)
[09:23] <ubuntu> huhu :)
[09:28] <el_sime> h3sp4wn: well i actually did that already, but i think i found something about the router being the problem
[09:29] <el_sime> the page is in italian so i guess it would be of no use to post here
[09:29] <h3sp4wn> !it
[09:29] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:29] <h3sp4wn> (don't know how many people are there though)
[09:29] <el_sime> uhm i didn't found the channel in the list
[09:30] <el_sime> but anyways:)
[09:37] <knapp__> Anyone know how to get easytag to read WMVs?
[09:43] <fabio_> someone can give me help about driver of ati x1600 ?
[09:50] <h3sp4wn> fabio_:wget http://kanotix.com/files/install-fglrx-debian.sh ; chmod 755 install-fglrx-debian.sh; sudo ./install-fglrx-debian.sh
[09:50] <h3sp4wn> fabio_: Just run that and you will get the latest ati drivers (should configure itself automatically)
[09:51] <fdoving> h3sp4wn: nice one. does it make a .deb ?
[09:52] <h3sp4wn> fdoving: It uses the debs that the ati installer can generate
[09:52] <fabio_> H3SP4WN...
[09:52] <fdoving> h3sp4wn: ah.. nice.
[09:52] <h3sp4wn> fdoving: and builds a suitable kernel module
[09:52] <fabio_> 1minute...i'm rebooting
[09:52] <fabio_> because i have make a change
[09:52] <fabio_> now i rejoin
[09:54] <h3sp4wn> fdoving: I cannot find anything wrong that script does (which is why I would recommend it over any other way of installing later drivers)
[09:55] <fdoving> h3sp4wn: certainly makes it less of a pain for end users.
[09:57] <wildchild> :s I clicked on a song in xmms and note appeared: Please check that: your sound card is configured properly, you have the correct output plugin selected, no other program is blocking the soundcqard....
[09:58] <[GuS] > is back..
[10:01] <vandenoever> has anyone tried to install intels c++ compiler on edgy?
[10:01] <h3sp4wn> fdoving: Yep (I tested it on edgy 64 bit - on my little brothers computer when he was fixing it for ubuntu)
[10:01] <vandenoever> i want to compile strigi with it for portability
[10:02] <vandenoever> h3sp4wn: how did you get past ./install.sh?
[10:02] <vandenoever> it wont accept my absolute license path
[10:02] <h3sp4wn> vandenoever: I have never used intel's c++ compiler if I wanted to use it I would use a supported platform
[10:04] <vandenoever> h3sp4wn: make sense
[10:06] <mc__> vandenoever: why dont use gcc?
[10:06] <vandenoever> mc__: i mainly use gcc, but intel has extra warnings
[10:06] <vandenoever> it's good to clean up every once in a while
[10:09] <mc__> vandenoever: oh,ok
[10:09] <NicksteSA> In which repository can I find kismet?
[10:11] <wolverine> anyone here familiar with samba and cifs?
[10:11] <archangel_> how can I look at a 'list' of channels?
[10:12] <vandenoever> archangel_: which program?
[10:12] <vandenoever>  /list ?
[10:12] <wolverine> when i mount a remote samba share via fstab it is mounted with a uid that does not exist
[10:12] <archangel_> konversation (sorry)
[10:12] <vandenoever> F5
[10:13] <archangel_> didnt even know there were more than 1 prog.
[10:13] <archangel_> thank you
[10:14] <wolverine> samba anyone?
[10:16] <wildchild> :s I clicked on a song in xmms and note appeared: Please check that: your sound card is configured properly, you have the correct output plugin selected, no other program is blocking the soundcqard....
[10:16] <wildchild> soundcard*
[10:17] <jessy> hi all, could someone tell me why KDE settings "Monitor&display" still thinks I have a vesa driver altough I do have a perfectly working nvidia driver (but because of that I cannot change reoslutions through KDE settings)
[10:19] <jeisma> how would i go about playing a poker application that i would need to download from a website onto kubuntu?
[10:19] <vandenoever> jeisma: wine
[10:19] <vandenoever> assuming its a windows application
[10:20] <vandenoever> wine poker.exe
[10:20] <jeisma> so i have to download the exe
[10:20] <jeisma> then use wine to open it?
[10:20] <vandenoever> yes
[10:20] <jeisma> ok
[10:21] <mc__> jessy: you can change the resolution directly in the xorg.conf
[10:21] <vandenoever> jeisma is from the group of users that runs one program at a time
[10:23] <stefaans> hello all
[10:25] <stefaans> anyone here?
[10:27] <stefaans> anyone here running opennms
[10:27] <stefaans> ??
[10:27] <jason> anyone here have an easy way of encoding video for 5g ipod in linux?
[10:28] <jason> heh - i mean in ubuntu
[10:28] <jason> kubuntu
[10:30] <stefaans> hmm gimme a second, what encoding can ipod read?
[10:30] <stefaans> mpg, avi?
[10:30] <fullmj|Stani> Are there any drivers for the Razer Diamondback?
[10:31] <wildchild> I have some serious problems with my sound: all the sudden music don't work in amarok and xmms: in amarok when I click on track nothing happens and when I click on other track it ask me to terminate amarok. In xmms when I click on a song note appears:  Please check that: your sound card is configured properly, you have the correct output plugin selected, no other program is blocking the soundcqard....  Please help
[10:31] <stefaans> jason acidrip,
[10:32] <jason> thx stefaans
[10:32] <stefaans> apt-get or aptitude like a dream
[10:32] <stefaans> wildchild what does your logs say?
[10:33] <wildchild> stefaans: don't understand log of amarok and xmms? don't know they exists
[10:34] <fullmj|Stani> Are there any linux drivers for the Razer Diamondback?
[10:34] <stefaans> jason try this "sudo apt-cache search rip | grep dvd"
[10:35] <stefaans> wildchild: try "tail -f /var/log/messages" run again and see what turns up
[10:35] <stefaans> fullmj|Stani: what device is that?
[10:36] <fullmj|Stani> Astefaans: A mouse
[10:36] <fullmj|Stani> stefaans**
[10:37] <stefaans> you don't need a driver go google for 7 button mouse
[10:38] <wildchild> stefaans: that's odd, now everything works..
[10:39] <wildchild> what is this "tail -f /var/log/messages" command mean ?
[10:39] <wildchild> does*
[10:39] <el_sime> h3sp4wn: i found out the connection problem, in the end it was the router working as a dns server, i just set the dns servers manually and aptitude is working now
[10:39] <stefaans> man tail :-D
[10:39] <wildchild> :)
[10:39] <stefaans> just gives you a scrolling view of what is happening in a file
[10:40] <mducharme> was that a joke to make someone say "man tail"?
[10:40] <stefaans> just tail /var/log/messages wil give you the last 10 lines
[10:40] <wildchild> yeah, whell that's not everything... couse now music plays
[10:40] <jamesb_> dosbox worked for me i dapper but in edgy the mouse freezes when in dosbox. How do I downgrade back to version 0.63-2.1 which was/is in dapper?
[10:40] <stefaans> tail -f  /var/log/messages and it scrolls by
[10:40] <stefaans> handy when checking pop3 logins or mail coming in
[10:41] <stefaans> wildchild: don't run then @ same time
[10:41] <mducharme> "tail" really need colors. colourtail segfaults constantly
[10:41] <jamesb_> tail prints out the (default 10) last lines of a file. -f means "follow" ie. continue printing if lines are added
[10:41] <wildchild> stefaans: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/35651/ that's what tail said
[10:43] <jamesb_> dosbox worked for me i dapper but in edgy the mouse freezes when in dosbox. How do I downgrade back to version 0.63-2.1 which was/is in dapper?
[10:45] <stefaans> wildchild: http://www.gnu.org/software/textutils/manual/textutils/html_node/textutils_14.html
[10:45] <BlueMage> can anyone help me get Flash 9 working?
[10:46] <stefaans> shure
[10:46] <chimaera> just install, scan insidefpr plugins  konqi, working.
[10:46] <BlueMage> when I install it through wine it says the a certain file could not be opened
[10:46] <wildchild> stefaans, thx for keeeping me up with useful things
[10:47] <stefaans> cool man
[10:47] <chimaera> BlueMage: why would you install it using wine? just install the linux version..
[10:47] <stefaans> BlueMage: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/11/21/207234
[10:48] <stefaans> that will get you started
[10:48] <BlueMage> but the linux version is Flash 7, I believe, I need 9
[10:48] <stefaans> ls
[10:49] <intelikey> !flash9
[10:49] <ubotu> flash9 is available from dapper-backports and edgy-backports now, see !backports
[10:49] <intelikey> !backports
[10:49] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[10:49] <sredna> How can I downgrade a program?
[10:50] <sredna> The new version of xine is not functioning properly, it fails to keep a stream running
[10:50] <stefaans> sredna: use vlc
[10:50] <jason> stefaans - i installed acidrip - now what? lol
[10:50] <intelikey> sredna install the version you want from the repos ?
[10:50] <sredna> stefaans: What?
[10:51] <sredna> intelikey: How do I know which versions are available?
[10:51] <intelikey> sredna ubuntu.com/packages  i think
[10:51] <stefaans> jason: hehehehe should install in kmenu under multimedia
[10:51] <stefaans> then google!
[10:51] <sredna> So, the famous apt can't tell me :)
[10:51] <sredna> :(
[10:52] <stefaans> sredna: aptitude search <package>
[10:52] <intelikey> it can
[10:52] <sredna> Ok, thank you stefaans
[10:52] <intelikey> but so can adept iirc
[10:53] <cloakable> Or type apt:/search?<package> in Konqueror :)
[10:53] <cloakable> Feature I didn't know about :)
[10:53] <cloakable> Kudos to the Kubuntu maintainers :)
[10:53] <sparrw> i have a file in /etc not owned by any package...  thats odd
[10:53] <sredna> stefaans: I need to know not the current version, but the old one
[10:54] <sredna> The current version is broken
[10:54] <sredna> So is mplayer bts
[10:54] <sredna> W
[10:54] <angasule> sparrw: great tip
[10:54] <intelikey> sparrw which ?
[10:54] <stefaans> jason: apt:/search?dvd::rip type that into konq, another favourite
[10:55] <kerwonz> what's the package include kit for devel?
[10:56] <sparrw> intelikey: /etc/papersize
[10:56] <intelikey> hmmm mine is owned by root
[10:56] <intelikey> who owns your sparrw ?
[10:56] <sredna> Again, how do I find the previous version of a package?
[10:57] <stefaans> sredna: /me wondering too
[10:58] <sredna> stefaans: Maybe one shouldn't use a debian derivee that is not debian stable
[10:58] <intelikey> sredna apt-cache policy xine
[10:58] <kay> !de
[10:58] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:59] <intelikey> sredna not a bad idea.   but how many distros would that include ?
[10:59] <sredna> Exactly one, if you stick to apt
[10:59] <stefaans> sredna: I kinda love my kubuntu
[11:00] <sredna> But you can trust it to be conservative enough to not upgrade to non-functional software
[11:00] <sredna> stefaans: I'm not so sure.
[11:00] <intelikey> sredna so use debian,  you wont hurt anyone in here's feeling if you ditch *buntu and use debian  :)
[11:01] <sredna> intelikey: I't have to use something else
[11:01] <intelikey> sredna fedora maybe
[11:01] <instructor> Is there a Kherd1?
[11:01] <sredna> intelikey: No chance :)
[11:02] <intelikey> hell use windows, it wont bother me.
[11:02] <sredna> But let me see if I can get a functioning version of xine, and I'll stick to kubuntu for now
[11:02] <intelikey> or just gripe about the software you refuse to give up.....   i don't guess that bothers me either.
[11:04] <trappist> sredna: ubuntu in general, and edgy in particular, are not very conservative w/r/t software updates
[11:05] <intelikey> sredna and when someone tells you a simple way to find all avalable versions of a package it's not expected that you follow their advice,  we really do expect you to keep asking the same already answered question over and over, and to bitch about the help, support, and software....
[11:05] <stefaans> anyone here know about SVG plugins?
[11:05] <kerwonz> what's the package include the kit for developers?
[11:05] <trappist> sredna: if your threshold for stability isn't compatible with ubuntu's release cycle or upgrade policies, you should probably use debian
[11:05] <sredna> intelikey: Sorry? I have yet to find the previous version.
[11:06] <cathal> sredna: what are u looking for?
[11:06] <sredna> cathal: A working version of xine
[11:06] <cathal> sredna: works for me, look in the changelogs for all the previous versions
[11:07] <sredna> The current one is broken, as it fails playing a stream, it does not download data
[11:07] <sredna> cathal: How?
[11:07] <sredna> Where?
[11:07] <cathal> aptitude changelogs packagename
[11:07] <sampo-> Help please: Are there anybody familiar with software-raid (I do not know right term in english)?
[11:08] <trappist> sampo-: that's the right term
[11:08] <flake> i tried that echo '..' thing to get audio working for enemy-territory, but i still have no audio, does anyone have any tips
[11:08] <flake> normal audio works ok, like booting up, shutting down, playing mp3's
[11:08] <sampo-> I got lucky. :) I have few question about; does I need reformat that exiting disk? I have one disk and I pay new one; proglem is, that there is data in old disk.
[11:09] <desterkin> Anybody around who can help configure wireless connection (ndiswrapper)?
[11:09] <jamesb_> sredna: http://packages.ubuntu.com/ has a nice list of all packages
[11:10] <sredna> I can see the changelog for libxine1, but using the string (apt-get install libxine1=1.1.2+repacked1-0ubuntu2 ) fails
[11:11] <cathal> sredna: remove the current one first
[11:12] <sredna> I can try that, cathal
[11:12] <Bubba_Gump> any programs that can, convert, quicktime movies, to avi or mp4 ??
[11:12] <cathal> sredna: u really shouldnt need to this this, if theirs a problem it should be fixed
[11:12] <trappist> Bubba_Gump: mencoder
[11:12] <cloakable> I have a program that displays with no borders, etc. Is there any way i can correct this?
[11:12] <trappist> cloakable: what program? (some are designed not to do that)
[11:13] <sredna> cathal: Right now, I can't view tv over the internet, since xine as well as mplayer is broken
[11:13] <sredna> Downgrading would possibly fix that
[11:13] <sredna> But it appears to be very complex to do so
[11:14] <sredna> Uninstalling libxine has a lot of dependancy issues
[11:14] <cloakable> trappist: Space Combat. External program (http://www.x-plane.com/SpaceCombat.html)
[11:14] <trappist> sredna: yep
[11:14] <cathal> sredna: yes it is. Is it broken for u or is this a know bug?
[11:14] <sredna> I don't know
[11:14] <sredna> Kubuntu.org does not even mention a bug database
[11:15] <cathal> sredna: give a link of a movie file that doesnt work for u
[11:16] <sredna> cathal: It's embedded, let me see if kmplayer shows the url of the stream in the console
[11:16] <trappist> sredna: https://bugs.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xine-lib/+bugs
[11:16] <sredna> mms://wms.dr.dk/nas01/auto/cms/Resources/dr.dk/NETTV/DR1/2006/12/79da6065-43a9-483b-be12-95e42cf08c88/Absalons_Hemmelighed_6.wmv?WMContentBitrate=280000
[11:17] <intelikey> sredna http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=libxine1  <<--  and   dpkg -i --force-downgrade packagename.deb   is not hard....
[11:17] <sredna> The problem is that it's not filling the cache properly all the time, I get holes
[11:17] <VSpike> Got a strange problem -- if I go to "Configure Desktop->Screensavers", I can test screensavers and they work, choose one, set the timeout, etc... but in practice they never kick in.  If I leave the machine for ages, it goes to a screensaver of the X11 logo.  Any idea why it's doing this?
[11:18] <sredna> intelikey: Finding a way through all the various parts of package tools is hard. But thank you
[11:18] <intelikey> sredna dpkg is the debian package manager    every thing else is a front/back/end to dpkg
[11:19] <sredna> Sorry dude
[11:20] <cathal> sredna: whats the movie type and the error u get?
[11:21] <sredna> cathal: The error is that xine fails to keep the stream running
[11:21] <sredna> I have no idea about the movie type
[11:22] <VSpike> bah
[11:22] <cathal> sredna: it must fail with some errors???
[11:22] <sredna> cathal: The problems can be unrelated to xine too, it can be a bandwidt problem or something else
[11:23] <sredna> cathal: There are no fatal errors, except the video pauses sometimes
[11:23] <sredna> I wanted to retry the older version of xine, because yesterday it worked
[11:24] <sredna> But I think I'll give up on that and see if it keeps failing over some days
[11:24] <sredna> Since downgrading appears to be very difficult
[11:25] <joe3k> sredna: did you try sudo apt-get install libxine1/edgy
[11:25] <cathal> sredna: im at a loss sorry dude, check out the FAQ at xinehq.de.Without some example or error message not much i can think of
[11:25] <joe3k> sredna: there's a update only in edgy-security right now
[11:27] <sredna> joe3k: I did upgrade 10 minutes ago. The problem is still there. But as I said, xine is just one possible explanation
[11:28] <joe3k> sredna: the libxine1/edgy should downgrade assuming you have the last update from edgy-security
[11:28] <[Amigo] > Who using K6.06 x86 KDE3.5.5 and __amaroK1.4.3__ without problems from amaroK side?
[11:28] <sredna> joe3k: I think I have kubuntu edgy as my current kubuntu version
[11:29] <sredna> Hm, now xine caved in
[11:29] <sponix> anyone know of a better torrent client ktorrent ?
[11:29] <joe3k> sredna: that's ok but do you have 1.1.2+repacked1-0ubuntu3 or 1.1.2+repacked1-0ubuntu3.2
[11:29] <sredna> 1.1.2+repacked1-0ubuntu3.2
[11:30] <joe3k> sredna: ok so the previous one is 1.1.2+repacked1-0ubuntu3
[11:30] <joe3k> sredna: and you get it by apt-get install libxine1/edgy
[11:30] <joe3k> sredna: at least for me it tries to downgrade
[11:30] <sredna> joe3k: I had that a half hour ago, and that didn't work either
[11:30] <joe3k> sredna: ahhh ok
[11:31] <sredna> I want what I had yesterday, but it looks impossible
[11:31] <joe3k> sredna: so which previous one do you want to have :) from dapper?
[11:31] <joe3k> sredna: ok now i don't get it what did you have yesterday
[11:31] <sredna> I simply does not know
[11:31] <sredna> Whatever was there before 1.1.2+repacked1-0ubuntu3
[11:32] <sredna> 1.1.2+repacked1-0ubuntu2 I think
[11:32] <joe3k> sredna: i see
[11:33] <Jucato> oooh sredna's here :)
[11:33] <joe3k> sredna: maybe it still lies around somewhere in ls /var/cache/apt/archives/ ?
[11:33] <sredna> joe3k: I think I give up
[11:34] <sredna> If it does not work tomorrow either, I'll file a bug or change to some other distro
[11:34] <joe3k> sredna: it won't be that easy to go back to that one it's simply not in the repos anymore
[11:34] <sredna> Though I mostly like kubuntu
[11:34] <mducharme> is kde4 available in feisty?
[11:35] <fmeissner> Jucato: I know you won't be too happy about this, but I reinstalled Kubuntu and for the life of me cannot remember the nvidia-glx commands, I got linux-restricted-modules-generic and nvidia-glx but I don't know the commands, a little help?
[11:35] <Jucato> sudo nvidia-xconfig
[11:35] <fmeissner> thanks
[11:35] <Jucato> :)
[11:36] <VSpike> sponix: azureus is good but it doesn't seem to work in Kubunty Edgy
[11:36] <stefaans> I need to go to bed now 1:30am over here
[11:36] <stefaans> bye
[11:37] <VSpike> bye :)
[11:37] <sredna> I think it would be smart to display dates on the bur system lists
[11:37] <joe3k> sredna: what about this one https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/i386/libxine-main1/1.1.2+repacked1-0ubuntu2
[11:37] <fmeissner> Jucato: I wrote it down this time
[11:38] <joe3k> sredna: well actually this one :) https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/i386/libxine1
[11:38] <joe3k> sredna: seems you can download it there :)
[11:39] <keeganX> Has anyone tried using KDE with qt4?
[11:39] <sredna> joe3k: Thank you.
[11:40] <joe3k> sredna: np
[11:40] <sredna> keeganX: You can't use kde 3 with qt 4.
[11:40] <keeganX> I thought there was like a development version of it
[11:40] <sredna> keeganX: You can run qt4 apps inside kde 3 though
[11:40] <sredna> There is no kde 4 version interresting for non-developers yet
[11:41] <fribuntu> Hi all
[11:41] <fribuntu> anybody else here using k3b to burn iso DVD images?
[11:41] <fribuntu> How do I disable that annoying md5 sum check?
[11:42] <fribuntu> I have just made my own image file, I do not need to wait 90 minutes till k3b is done calculating the md5 of a 4.2 GB file!
[11:43] <joe3k> fribuntu: i think you can just say burn even if it doesn't yet have the md5
[11:44] <fribuntu> joe3k: Well, it makes very heavy usage of the disk while calculating that sum. It might screw up the burning process, or not?
[11:45] <joe3k> fribuntu: hmmm i don't remember but i think it'll just stop the md5 calculation if you say 'burn'
[11:45] <cathal> how come not everyfile gives the option to edit as root, as in the option in actions -> edit as root by right clciking on the file?
[11:47] <Bubba_Gump> i lost my location toolbar in konq, how do i get it back again>
[11:47] <trappist> cathal: I haven't looked into it, but I would imagine that the option wouldn't exist if you (the user) can edit it yourself
[11:47] <fribuntu> joe3k: Ok, I will try that some other time. I only have exactly one empty DVD-R left :)
[11:47] <Jucato> cathal: maybe the file is not editable in a text editor, or the file isn't owned by root
[11:48] <Jucato> Bubba_Gump: Settings -> Toolbars ?
[11:48] <Bubba_Gump> how do i get it back onto the browser?
[11:49] <Bubba_Gump> all i see is file copy etc
[11:49] <Bubba_Gump> with no location bar underneath
[11:49] <Bubba_Gump> oh, got it :)
[11:49] <Jucato> :/
[11:50] <Flosoft> hey
[11:50] <intelikey> hay
[11:50] <cathal> trappist: Jucato: yea i already checked , its owned by root, a file which i can edit as root has the same privilages. The only difference is that its a python file, trying to use kate to open the file.
[11:50] <Flosoft> how come that the IAX library is broken, and when is there going to be a fix?
[11:52] <Tja> can some tell me how to get this with using svn
[11:52] <Tja> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/kbfx_plasma/?rev=611155
[11:52] <Tja> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/base/kbfx_plasma/
[11:52] <Flosoft> https://launchpad.net/bugs/74102
[11:54] <Jucato> Tja: Plasma is a KDE 4 project. which means it won't run on the current KDE release
[11:54] <fribuntu> Why is kmail showing two question marks for new mail in the message list, even after I mark everything as read? I have to manually click on each mail to make those questionmarks disappear.
[11:54] <Tja> Jucato: im involved in that project
[11:54] <fribuntu> What do they mean anyhow?
[11:55] <Jucato> Tja: might want to ask in #kde4-devel then. (and install svn)
[11:55] <Tja> yeah ican try
[11:56] <joe3k> fribuntu: question marks?? never saw that on unread mail ...
[11:56] <intelikey> fribuntu expand that column and see what the ?? is in...
[11:56] <fribuntu> joe3k: double question marks, one a little smaller than the other. It is on every downloaded mail.
[11:57] <joe3k> fribuntu: i think it has some other meaining
[11:57] <fribuntu> intelikey: It is in the subject column, right where the "document" symbol should be.
[11:58] <joe3k> fribuntu: you use imap?
[11:58] <fribuntu> joe3k: No, pop3
[11:58] <intelikey> i still sujest expanding the column
[11:59] <Jucato> does anyone know from what file Kubuntu KDE reads env variables like $PATH and $KDEDIRS?
[11:59] <fribuntu> intelikey: It is 2/3 of my screen right now and mostly empty. Just in the very right it has two ?? instead of the little sheet of paper it shows after I click it.
[11:59] <joe3k> fribuntu: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kdepim-users&m=115406585504372&w=2
[12:00] <joe3k> fribuntu: tell us if it helps :)
[12:00] <fribuntu> joe3k: hang on ... checking
[12:00] <intelikey> when thing that belong in     | this much space |     are shown in    |??|     they often apear that way...    not sure that's what you see...
[12:00] <vado> Bonsoir
[12:01] <joe3k> intelikey: i think you get ... then don't you
[12:01] <intelikey> joe3k i get ??   but in mozilla, i don't use kmail.
[12:02] <joe3k> intelikey: ok, kmail shows ...., just tried it; and if you make it too small for ... then it shows just the first char
[12:02] <fribuntu> intelikey: I am seeing |??  subject of mail <heaps of space>                      | sender | date |
[12:03] <fribuntu> intelikey: I'd like to see | <little page symbol> subject of mail <heaps of space>          | sender | date |
[12:03] <intelikey> fribuntu that may be an icon file not found?    idk.
[12:04] <joe3k> i think those are the crypto-icons mentioned in the post
[12:04] <fribuntu> intelikey: It looks like something similar to an error. That's why it is irritating me so much. It disappears after manually selecting the title.
[12:05] <intelikey> fribuntu i see what you mean, just started kmail
[12:05] <fribuntu> joe3k: That "show crypto symbol" hint seems to have done it. At least when I send myself a testmail, there are not question marks.
[12:06] <fribuntu> intelikey: Ah, so you have those ?? too now?
[12:08] <joe3k> that's interesting i don't remember seeing those marks for years :) ... and i use _only_ kmail
[12:08] <joe3k> but maybe i turned it off years ago :)
[12:10] <ehird> i am Remote! bwahaha
[12:12] <intelikey> fribuntu i only get them if signature or encription is turned on.... if you get them with both those columns turned off then i suspect kmail is looking for an icon file it's not finding...


[12:43] <frodo654321> Hi there ..
[12:44] <frodo654321> What's the progress on LXQT on Lubuntu ?
 You can test the metapackage by yourself (lubuntu-qt-desktop) available since Xerus release :)
[12:45] <frodo654321> Thanks ..
 But as it's being ported from Qt4 to Qt5 it still needs a "retouch"
[12:46] <frodo654321> Will it still run as fast as LXDE on the same hardware?
 Yes
 The Qt Team is optimizing the Qt core libraries to make it as fast as "old" gtk ones.
 And our goal is to keep light but fully functional apps on top of that.
[12:48] <acheronuk> Qt is not 'heavyweight', really. just what some project do with it makes it so
 Yes
[12:49] <frodo654321> i like the desktop because it doesn't get in your way, unlike the one that came out of Redmond :)
[12:49]  * acheronuk notes KDE plasma used about 1/2 the memory that Unity an Unity 8 did :P
 A couple distros released LXQt desktops, I've tested and I don't like them, because of the customised environment.
[12:50] <acheronuk> as always, it's not what you've got, but what you do with it that matters. ;)
 indeed
[12:52] <frodo654321> I have noticed how the system swaps out even when it has lots of available memory, I disabled swap and it runs fine :)
 I don't even have a swap :)
[12:53] <frodo654321> I've got the system running on 13G partition ..
[12:53] <frodo654321> It's a 23 GB partition the system is 13 GB ..
[12:54] <redwolf> enough
[12:54] <redwolf> mine is 15 I think
[12:54] <redwolf> Linux isn't a resource devouring OS really
[12:54] <frodo654321> Change of topic. I guess the systemd wars are over ?
[12:58] <redwolf> yes :)
[12:58] <frodo654321> I haven't noticed a big difference myself, except maybe boot and shutdown times are a bit faster.
[12:59] <redwolf> actually, new versions work better than upstart
[12:59] <redwolf> there's some documentation here for "nostalgics": https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers
[13:00] <frodo654321> It used to wait on 'waiting-on-network', I disabled some script and it boots a lot quicker. It's to do with a non-standard NIC, I think ?
[13:00] <redwolf> it seems you did a good job
[13:00] <redwolf> not for average users, though! :)
[13:01] <frodo654321> It's a cobbled together machine made out of old parts.
[13:02] <redwolf> well done
[13:02] <frodo654321> I'm still 0n 16.04, time for an upgrade ?
[13:03] <redwolf> I always recommend a fresh install but, unless you want an edge OS, or if you don't need to keep that system for any server reason, yeah, go ahead
[13:05] <frodo654321> I did run dist-upgrade and for what ever reason it decided to remove most of the installation. I did of course make a full back-up before.
[13:06] <redwolf> that's wise. and that's why I recommend to fresh install re-using the home partition
[13:06] <redwolf> so you get back all your preferences and settings
[13:06] <redwolf> including ssh, pgp, and other keys
[13:08] <frodo654321> I've got a recovery system on a USB .. I've managed to squeeze MPV onto it, it actually runs faster than from the harddrive. https://mpv.io/
[13:08] <redwolf> sorry, lunch time! brb
[13:09] <frodo654321> "including ssh, pgp, and other keys" .. I don't have anything confidential on this machine. I always assume someone is monitoring me :)
[13:09] <frodo654321> ok gtg .. bye


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[19:45] <c_smith> JBSourcery 4.5 on my Nexus 7 = epic
[20:52] <dustwork> oh bkerensa - sorry about the away notice
[20:52] <dustwork> and unfortunately, that's my home machine
[20:52] <dustwork> will change that this evening