[00:04] <cjwatson> evand: I could squeeze in a basic workaround for half of bug 445067, perhaps
[00:05] <evand> ah, nice
[00:08] <CIA-33> partman-basicmethods: cjwatson * r762 ubuntu/ (choose_method/dont_use/do_option debian/changelog):
[00:08] <CIA-33> partman-basicmethods: Don't send the SET_FLAGS command when the new flags are the same as the
[00:08] <CIA-33> partman-basicmethods: old ones; this avoids partition tables being rewritten when all we did
[00:08] <CIA-33> partman-basicmethods: was set the method to "don't use" (LP: #445067).
[00:20] <CIA-33> partman-basicmethods: cjwatson * r763 ubuntu/debian/control: Maintainer and Vcs-Bzr for Ubuntu
[00:26] <CIA-33> partman-basicmethods: cjwatson * r764 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 43ubuntu1
[00:40] <evand> cjwatson: obviously not for karmic, but does something like http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/300153/ seem reasonable to handle IO errors occurring outside of the file copy routine that are not handled (such as in bug 445681)?
[00:41] <evand> that is, simply moving the EnvironmentError exception handler one level higher
[00:47] <cjwatson> ENOENT might be a bit too general at that level, and quite possibly ENOTDIR too, but the others would be OK to move up like that, I think
[00:47] <evand> okay, thanks
[00:49] <CIA-33> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3558 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py):
[00:49] <CIA-33> ubiquity: Furthermore, always consider English as "complete enough". The packages
[00:49] <CIA-33> ubiquity: that are missing from an installation from the Ubuntu desktop CD are not
[00:49] <CIA-33> ubiquity: critical for a reasonable user experience.
[01:00] <wgrant> cjwatson: Ah. I like r3558 -- that had me really confused.
[01:00] <wgrant> Thanks.
[01:06] <cjwatson> no problem, not sure if the same needs to be done for pkgsel
[01:06] <cjwatson> I don't think I noticed it on an alternate install but I'll probably have to check again
[01:07]  * cjwatson falls over
[01:08] <evand> heh
[01:08] <evand> oh wow, it's 1am
[02:19] <Samus_Aran> so I would like to know more about what the GUI installer is doing which takes such an exorbitant amount of time when custom-editing the partitions ?  with several disks, it can take minutes of scanning
[02:19] <Samus_Aran> and why there is no option to do a straight partition editor like in other distros
[02:20] <Samus_Aran> once modifying any partition, it proceeds to do the lengthy scan again
[02:20] <Samus_Aran> and again after another change.  it is mind-bogglingly slow and frustrating to install Ubuntu because of this, especially with 4+ disks
[10:46] <xivulon> evand, cjwatson there is a new version for patch #452348
[12:20] <cjwatson> Samus_Aran: I'd like to optimise it, certainly; I know exactly what's happening and why, although a full explanation is a bit more than I want to go into on a Saturday morning, especially when you present it in such a confrontational way ;-)
[12:21] <cjwatson> Samus_Aran: in brief it's due to details of the way code is reused from the alternate/server installer; we most certainly do not want to have to maintain two partitioning programs, so I would far prefer to address this by optimisation rather than by rewriting, just haven't had the time yet
[12:21] <cjwatson> Samus_Aran: the answers you got on #ubuntu-devel (probing for other OSes, etc.) were not well-informed
[12:23] <Samus_Aran> cjwatson: so what would the summary be of what it's doing, if not probing for OSes ?
[12:24] <cjwatson> the way in which partman (d-i's partitioner) works is in some ways not a brilliant match for ubiquity. In order to reuse its behaviour, ubiquity needs to effectively drive partman back and forward under the covers in order to construct a useful graphical view
[12:24] <cjwatson> like I say, I already consider this an important bug that needs to be fixed
[12:25] <cjwatson> so you aren't going to make me consider it any more important by haranguing us ;-)
[12:25] <cjwatson> apologies for this "Moonraker12" character on #ubuntu-devel, no idea who he/she is but he/she was out of line
[12:26] <cjwatson> in fact, optimising the partitioner is already one of the things I've noted as a project I'd like to take on for the lucid cycle
[12:27] <Samus_Aran> what language is the partitioner programmed in ?
[12:27] <cjwatson> a mix of shell, C, and python
[12:27] <Samus_Aran> what's the majority share ?
[12:28] <cjwatson> I'm not sure of the answer, and I'm not sure that the answer would be helpful anyway :-)
[12:28] <cjwatson> there's C to interface to libparted; shell to do most of the business logic; and python to wire it up to ubiquity
[12:29] <cjwatson> any meaningful work on this will involve all three
[12:29] <Samus_Aran> well I am an expert at coding shell script, and can only read Python and C.  if there is any optimisation to do in the shell script side of things, I could help out
[12:29] <cjwatson> I appreciate the offer, and you're welcome to look into this yourself if you wish, although there is a substantial learning curve
[12:30] <cjwatson> as I said, it is something I plan to tackle over the next cycle, assuming my manager thinks it's worth my time :)
[12:30] <cjwatson> you're incorrect that no caching happens, BTW, it's just not adequate caching ...
[12:31] <cjwatson> basically when ubiquity asks partman to perform an action, right now it doesn't always have a way to tell which partitions are going to be affected by that, and has to rescan rather too much as a result
[12:32] <cjwatson> I can think of some possible ways to remedy that
[12:32] <cjwatson> anyway, have to go out
[14:55] <CIA-33> ubiquity: evand * r3559 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[14:55] <CIA-33> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: grub-installer
[14:55] <CIA-33> ubiquity: 1.43ubuntu8, partman-basicmethods 43ubuntu1.
[15:15] <CIA-33> ubiquity: evand * r3560 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.0.4
[15:54]  * evand blinks at bug 459550
[21:49] <arand_> evand: may I bother you a bit? This is the update I want to test https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-basicmethods/43ubuntu1 unfortuantely I get stuck at the very beginning of your suggestion :( What is anna-install? from where should it be executed?  (google ain't my friend).
[23:09] <cjwatson> arand_: I thought your problem was in the desktop installer, not in the text installer?
[23:09] <cjwatson> if so, anna-install is no help
[23:10] <cjwatson> arand_: if I'm right, open a terminal and run 'sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install ubiquity-frontend-gtk' (which will upgrade the installer) and then start the installer
[23:16] <cjwatson> arand_: oh, not until it gets processed through the queue though ...
[23:18] <cjwatson> arand_: how about:  sudo apt-get install patch patchutils; wget -O- http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-core-dev/partman-basicmethods/ubuntu/diff/762 | filterdiff -x debian/changelog | sudo patch /lib/partman/choose_method/70dont_use/do_option
[23:18] <cjwatson> arand_: (I think - that's untested)
[23:45] <evand> arand_: switch to a virtual terminal (ctrl-alt-f2)
[23:46] <evand> then hit enter and type anna-install openssh-client-udeb
[23:47] <evand> actually
[23:47] <evand> you don't need to do that
[23:47] <evand> still switch to the virtual terminal
[23:47] <cjwatson> 23:09 <cjwatson> arand_: I thought your problem was in the desktop installer, not in the text installer?
[23:47] <evand> and wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/34315822/partman-basicmethods_43ubuntu1_all.udeb
[23:47] <cjwatson> 23:09 <cjwatson> if so, anna-install is no help
[23:47] <evand> ah
[23:47] <cjwatson> 23:10 <cjwatson> arand_: if I'm right, open a terminal and run 'sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install ubiquity-frontend-gtk' (which will upgrade the installer) and then start the installer
[23:47] <evand> my mistake for assuming
[23:47] <cjwatson> 23:16 <cjwatson> arand_: oh, not until it gets processed through the queue though ...
[23:47] <cjwatson> 23:18 <cjwatson> arand_: how about:  sudo apt-get install patch patchutils; wget -O- http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-core-dev/partman-basicmethods/ubuntu/diff/762 | filterdiff -x debian/changelog | sudo
[23:47] <cjwatson>                  patch /lib/partman/choose_method/70dont_use/do_option
[23:47] <cjwatson> 23:18 <cjwatson> arand_: (I think - that's untested)
[23:48] <cjwatson> though carry on in case I'm wrong :-)
[23:48] <evand> udpkg -i partman-basicmethods_43ubuntu1_all.udeb


[16:00] <rbasak> #startmeeting ubuntu-server-team
[16:00] <rbasak> #topic Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:00] <rbasak> No actions from previous meeting
[16:00] <rbasak> #topic Wily Development
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[16:00] <rbasak> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WilyWerewolf/ReleaseSchedule
[16:00] <rbasak> Any general Wily Development issues to discuss before we go to the release bugs?
[16:00] <rbasak> #subtopic Release Bugs
[16:00] <rbasak> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-w-tracking-bug-tasks.html#ubuntu-server
[16:01] <rbasak> I see six bugs. Anything in here that needs discussing?
[16:02] <rbasak> #topic Server & Cloud Bugs (caribou)
[16:02] <rbasak> caribou: over to you
[16:02] <caribou> rbasak: nothing on my side for this week
[16:02] <rbasak> OK, thanks.
[16:02] <rbasak> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (matsubara)
[16:02] <rbasak> matsubara: anything from you?
[16:03] <matsubara> hey there, nothing new to report from the smoke test front. I'll be doing verification for bug 1443735 SRU later on today.
[16:03] <matsubara> rbasak, that's all from me.
[16:03] <rbasak> Great, thanks!
[16:03] <matsubara> np
[16:03] <rbasak> #topic Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb, sforshee, arges)
[16:03] <smb> No news here is there are no questions / requests...
[16:03] <smb>  s/is/if/
[16:03] <rbasak> Does anyone have anything for the kernel team?
[16:04] <rbasak> #topic Upcoming Call For Papers
[16:04] <rharper> \o
[16:05] <rbasak> #topic Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:05] <rbasak> Nothing? :)
[16:05] <rbasak> #topic Open Discussion
[16:05] <rharper> rbasak: at least for the upcoming papers, the ODS for Tokyo submission is open
[16:06] <rbasak> OK
[16:06] <rbasak> Does anyone have anything planned for ODS?
[16:06] <rharper> I'm sure hallyn will do something with lxd =)
[16:06] <rbasak> I look forward to hearing about it :)
[16:06] <hallyn> uh, yeah
[16:06] <hallyn> no doubt
[16:07] <hallyn> actually i'd assume zul will
[16:07] <rbasak> Anything else for upcoming CFPs, events, or open discussion?
[16:07] <zul> hallyn: erm...yeah
[16:07] <zul> who wouldnt want to go to the future...i mean tokyo
[16:08] <rharper> zul: +1
[16:08] <hallyn> +1
[16:08] <rbasak> #topic Announce next meeting date, time and chair
[16:08] <rbasak> The next meeting will be at Tue Jul 7 16:00:00 UTC 2015
[16:09] <rbasak> matsubara will chair
[16:09] <rbasak> Thanks all
[16:09] <rbasak> #endmeeting
[16:09] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jun 30 16:09:03 2015 UTC.
[16:09] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-06-30-16.00.moin.txt
[16:09] <matsubara> thanks rbasak
[16:09] <rharper> rbasak: thanks!
[16:09] <kickinz1> thanks rbasak
[16:10] <caribou> thanks rb
[16:31] <arosales> coreycb: jamespage: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/relation-stubs?authuser=0
[16:31]  * arosales forgot to put in the link
[16:32] <coreycb> arosales, was that intended for me?
[16:32] <arosales> sorry meant coryfu
[16:33] <coreycb> arosales, np, I figured
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[17:00] <kamal> o/
[17:00] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:00] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:00] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:00] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's
[17:01] <jsalisbury> The current CVE status can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-cves.html
[17:01] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Precise/Trusty/Utopic/Vivid (bjf)
[17:01] <bjf> Status for the main kernels, until today:
[17:01] <bjf>   * Precise - Verification & Testing
[17:01] <bjf>   *  Trusty - Verification & Testing
[17:01] <bjf>   *  Utopic - Verification & Testing
[17:01] <bjf>   *  Vivid  - Verification & Testing
[17:01] <bjf>
[17:01] <bjf> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:01] <bjf>   * http://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:01] <bjf> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
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[17:02] <bjf>
[17:02] <bjf>
[17:02] <bjf> Schedule:
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[17:02] <bjf> cycle: 13-Jun through 04-Jul
[17:02] <bjf> [17:02] <bjf>          12-Jun   Last day for kernel commits for this cycle
[17:02] <bjf> 14-Jun - 20-Jun   Kernel prep week.
[17:02] <bjf> 21-Jun - 04-Jul   Bug verification; Regression testing; Release
[17:02] <bjf> ..
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:03] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:03] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:03] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Jun 30 17:03:01 2015 UTC.
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[17:03] <kamal> thanks jsalisbury


[04:25] <OvenWerk1> Anyone else having trouble with the 32bit ISO on actual 32bit HW?
[04:26] <holstein> OvenWerk1: i havnet had a chance to install yet
[04:26] <OvenWerk1> I get blank screen part way into the boot.
[06:36] <zequence> eagles0513875: Ok, great.
[07:10] <eagles0513875> zequence: hopefully soon we can have something to SRU Mirv is kind enough to help with mentoring israel on the topic of packaging
[11:06] <zequence> I deactivated MOTU as a member of ubuntustudio-dev, so they don't get our mail. Also, I'm hoping to get upload rights soon
[15:42] <OvenWerk1> Ok, I managed to install 14.04. Live had to be run nomodeset to do that... unlike last week.
[15:42] <OvenWerk1> On 32 bit systems with an nvidia card... wine (and therefore lmms) get removed.
[15:43] <OvenWerk1> However, wine is not purged as the wine sub menu is still there.
[15:47] <OvenWerk1> As the live ISO would probably try to run Nouveau, I am going to try switching to that. It did work with my HW as is before.
[16:05] <OvenWerk1> Hmm, Nouveau no longer works properly on my system. It does not see two displays, does not show the right resolutions... basically looks like a nomodest boot.
[16:36] <zequence> OvenWerk1: Seems like someone in xubuntu mail lists is having the same problem
[16:36] <OvenWerk1> zequence: in our menu under system there is ubuntu studio controls. Clicking on that gives "Failed to execute command "gksu ubuntustudio-controls"."
[16:37] <zequence> OvenWerk1: That's good. Then no one messes up their system until I have time to SRU it
[16:37] <OvenWerk1> Probably we don't have gksu
[16:37] <OvenWerk1> should be pkexec instead I think
[16:37] <zequence> No, and it's too bad it let's people know how to start it
[16:38] <zequence> The settings it does will just mess up things. I'll try to add a cleanup function in -controls to remove any settings in wrong files
[16:39] <OvenWerk1> I have setup qjackctl to start at session start in systray and turned all my soundcards off in pulse. seems to work pretty good.
[16:44] <OvenWerk1> Anyway, the nvidia driver works pretty good. Personally I don't use LMMS as it doesn't fit my workflow (no kb). I have no use for wine either.
[16:48] <zequence> OvenWerk1: You removed wine manually?
[16:49] <OvenWerk1> No, the install does it. The live session had wine/lmms, but during the install to disk it installs the nvidia drivers and removes wine as part of that.
[16:57] <OvenWerk1> Bug 1309536 shouold be fixed in the latest ubuntustudio-installer that just needs to be uploaded.
[16:58] <OvenWerk1> It seems the guy had a fulkl disk which so the install failed. the new version of the installer catches errors.
[16:58] <OvenWerk1> zequence: ^^
[17:00] <OvenWerk1> Just watching Rany Bacxhman play his guitar with a drumstick, part way between normal and slide...
[17:00] <OvenWerk1> Gaa my fingers keep hitting extra keys.
[17:19] <OvenWerk1> zequence: re: Bug 1309641, I don't know if there is a way in ubuiquity to deal correctly with the mscorefont installer. but the issue should be noted in the release notes.
[17:31] <zequence> I'll catch up on those things after easter. I'm considering trying to get a interim release, before the first point release, if we can get the worst bugs fixed
[17:32] <zequence> We could put the downloads links to point to a daily we've tested and confirmed, for instance
[19:49] <OvenWerk1> zequence: Also to add to your list... and this is perhaps picky ;)  the bluetooth systray icon should maybe _not_ show on a system without any BT HW.
[19:52] <OvenWerk1> I am looking through MB and CPU specs in prep to order a new one, but am thinking I should keep this 32 bit system around for testing... if I can.


[07:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> It's dead in here a lot, but a good chunk of the time OvenWerks and I discuss stuff related to PipeWire implementation in studio controls.
[07:12] <ColbyStoker[m]> No worries, I appreciate connecting w technical people
[07:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> Don't let that deterr you from chiming in.
[07:13] <arraybolt3[m]> Welcome to our semi-secret lair where we enjoy breaking stuff /s
[07:13] <ColbyStoker[m]> My lack of knowledge does a pretty good job of that
[07:13] <arraybolt3[m]> (ok so we try not to break stuff)
[07:13] <eylul[m]> hello there :)
[07:14] <ColbyStoker[m]> I will likely pop a relevant question some day
[07:15] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'm heading back to my bedtime-related activities. Welcome in! And good to read you too eylul!
[07:18] <eylul[m]> good night.
[07:21]  * ColbyStoker[m] uploaded an image: (77KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/RSbbKNAEHAikAcIoUGsbJuwJ/IMG_20221108_211931.jpg >
[07:21] <ColbyStoker[m]> I was saying in the support chat my first install of Linux was Slackware 2.0 in 1996. Things have come a long way. That's for adding me
[07:22] <arraybolt3[m]> ColbyStoker[m]: You have officially managed to use the most monitors at the same time that I have ever seen.
[07:23] <ColbyStoker[m]> Wasn't easy, as per the Linux standard.
[07:23] <ColbyStoker[m]> Way easier than it used to be though
[07:24]  * arraybolt3[m] is over here on a single 1080p panel, works for everything I need
[07:24] <ColbyStoker[m]> Hard being away from the workstation when you get used to it though.
[07:33] <OvenWerks> Slackware was my second Linux distro, with linux kernel some where pre 1.0. I used Yggdrasil for a short time before that
[07:34] <OvenWerks> I do not miss compiling a kernel specific to my machine before kernel modules
[07:40] <ColbyStoker[m]> I was telling array it's a pleasure to not have to download a whole distro onto floppy disk over 18 hours with one bad sector only to have to redownload the entire set, and god the hardware configs.  nightmare
[07:44] <OvenWerks> Pretty sure I started with CDs... may have had to boot from floppy to be able to see the CD though
[08:14] <b0id[m]> Currently training in DevOps w/ Linux Foundation, looking forward to the back and forth here.  Thanks for having me.
[08:15] <OvenWerks> see you later...
[08:16]  * OvenWerks follows some others to bed
[16:16] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: there is yet another one. I am not sure of it's purpose though: https://github.com/Houston4444/Patchichi
[16:17] <Eickmeyer> I never understood Catarina's purpose too much myself.
[16:19] <Eickmeyer> I suppose it's good for illustration purposes, but serves no other functional purpose.
[16:20] <Eickmeyer> Not bad to explain something without having to fire-up a full-fledged patchbay.
[16:20] <Eickmeyer> er, JACK session.
[16:36] <OvenWerks> I rebooted the server and lost my scrollback in #lad
[17:03] <OvenWerks> Ah, it apears it is more of a debugging tool, not really for production
[17:04] <OvenWerks> or maybe for setting things up off line.
[17:04] <RikMills> kio-admin is now in lunar
[17:05] <RikMills> https://apachelog.wordpress.com/2022/08/04/kio-admin/
[17:05] <RikMills> possibly not to seed, but useful
[17:09] <OvenWerks> RikMills: so that affect pretty much anything in the context menu? (right click)
[17:09] <OvenWerks> RikMills: for example open in terminal.
[17:10] <OvenWerks> RikMills: does it at some point ask for a password, does it ask every time?
[17:11] <RikMills> yes, it does ask
[17:11] <RikMills> nt sure on the persistence of the permission though
[17:13] <OvenWerks> if it uses pk there is generally no persistance, but if it askes when admin://path/ is put in, it may persist as long as that screen is active
[17:14] <OvenWerks> if it asks when an operation is performed then there would be no persistance
[17:15] <OvenWerks> PW screens are anoying but probably best to be annoyed. :)
[17:25] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Check DMs (the one to Matrix failed for some unknown reason)
[23:50] <arraybolt3[m]> Just managed to extract my distrho-ports work from my old SSD, which means I'll be able to start working on the copyright file update for that again. \o/


[03:23] <crdlb> hello
[03:24] <nj786> crdlb?what do i do?
[03:24] <nj786> crdlb, help me through this
[03:24] <nj786> crdlb?
[03:24] <crdlb> ok go to edit>preferences
[03:24] <crdlb> and be patient
[03:25] <nj786> sorry, ok and then
[03:25] <crdlb> click the Networks tab
[03:25] <crdlb> and find "Ubuntu Servers"
[03:25] <nj786> ok next
[03:25] <crdlb> or something like that
[03:25] <nj786> ok found unbuntu server
[03:25] <crdlb> ok
[03:25] <nj786> double click?
[03:26] <crdlb> yes
[03:26] <nj786> ok then
[03:26] <crdlb> then on the servers tab
[03:26] <crdlb> change it to irc.freenode.net/8001
[03:26] <nj786> ok done
[03:26] <nj786> doi close the window
[03:27] <crdlb> yes
[03:27] <nj786> ok i am done
[03:27] <nj786> what do i do now?
[03:27] <crdlb> then exit xchat-gnome
[03:27] <crdlb> and reopen it
[05:10] <PepperBob> so..
[05:10] <PepperBob> Woody_, open a terminal
[05:10] <Woody_> tes
[05:10] <Woody_> yes
[05:10] <Woody_> ok
[05:11] <Woody_> opened
[05:11] <PepperBob> type: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[05:11] <PepperBob> be aware: your x will stop!
[05:11] <Woody_> ok
[05:11] <PepperBob> did it stop?
[05:11] <Woody_> yes
[05:12] <PepperBob> ok, login at the prompt
[05:12] <Woody_> ok
[05:12] <PepperBob> now: cd ~/Desktop
[05:12] <Woody_> yes
[05:13] <PepperBob> type: sudo sh NV....<driver-file>
[05:13] <PepperBob> erm...
[05:13] <PepperBob> Woody_, i meant without those dots... sudo sh <file-you-downloaded>
[05:14] <Woody_> i forgot the file name
[05:14] <PepperBob> Woody_, just type "NV" and hit the <TAB> key
[05:14] <PepperBob> Woody_, it will autocomplete
[05:14] <Woody_> ah okay
[05:14] <Woody_> yes, as in Windows Command Prompt
[05:14] <Woody_> okay
[05:15] <PepperBob> Woody_, yes - even better ;)
[05:15] <Woody_> :P
[05:15] <PepperBob> Woody_, so did you typed that?
[05:15] <Woody_> there is a warning now
[05:15] <Woody_> yes, i typed it
[05:15] <Woody_> and asked for a password
[05:15] <Woody_> i put the password
[05:15] <PepperBob> good
[05:15] <Woody_> and now i came to a screen
[05:15] <PepperBob> good
[05:15] <PepperBob> now proceed
[05:15] <Woody_> should i type what the Warning says?
[05:16] <Woody_> i got another warning that says:
[05:16] <PepperBob> yes please
[05:17] <Woody_> YOU DO NOT APPEAR TO HAVE AN NVIDIA GPU SUPPORTED BY THE 1.0-9755 NVIDIA LINUX GRAPHICS DRIVER INSTALLED IN THIS SYSTEM.
[05:17] <Woody_> i think i can still proceed, there is the OK button
[05:17] <Woody_> should i proceed?
[05:17] <PepperBob> Woody_, that's it.
[05:17] <PepperBob> Woody_,  YOU DO NOT APPEAR TO HAVE AN NVIDIA GPU SUPPORTED BY THE 1.0-9755 NVIDIA LINUX GRAPHICS
[05:17] <Woody_> so?
[05:18] <PepperBob> Woody_, somehow it seems as if you graphics adapter has no 3d option
[05:18] <Woody_> but the 2 laptops have the same graphics adaptor
[05:19] <PepperBob> Woody_, yeah i saw that...
[05:19] <PepperBob> Woody_, but it can't detect it
[05:19] <PepperBob> Woody_, that causes the driver to fail when loading
[05:19] <Woody_> mmmm
[05:19] <PepperBob> Woody_, probably it's damaged or turned off (bios settings?)
[05:20] <Woody_> but i use it for Windows XP
[05:20] <Woody_> it works normally
[05:20] <PepperBob> Woody_, pressing OK will send you back to the terminal i guess
[05:20] <Woody_> its asking me if i want to install or not
[05:21] <Woody_> if i should accept the license agreement or not
[05:21] <PepperBob> Woody_, try to install
[05:21] <Woody_> ok
[05:21] <Woody_> i got another error that says:
[05:21] <PepperBob> Woody_, even if it compiles it, it will fail loading i guess
[05:22] <Woody_> No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel; would you like the installer to attempt a kernel interface for your kernel from the nvidia ftp site?
[05:22] <PepperBob> Woody_, that's okay
[05:23] <PepperBob> "YES" or whatever
[05:23] <Woody_> ok
[05:23] <PepperBob> Woody_, this is the time when it starts to compile a new module for your kernel.
[05:23] <Woody_> no matching premcomiled kernel interface was found on Nvidia ftp sites
[05:24] <Woody_> this means that the installer will need to compile a kernel interface for your kernel
[05:24] <PepperBob> ok
[05:24] <Woody_> thats what the error says
[05:24] <PepperBob> yes it should compile it
[05:24] <Woody_> Another error :P
[05:24] <PepperBob> Woody_, that's okay so far. the worst error was the first one.
[05:25] <Woody_> You do not appear to have libc header files installed on your system. Please install your distribution's libc development package/
[05:25] <Woody_> .*
[05:25] <Woody_> i press okay
[05:25] <Woody_> and another error comes
[05:26] <PepperBob> Woody_, ok.. seems as if there are some packages missing
[05:26] <Woody_> Installation has Failed. Please see the file  ` /var/log/nvidia-installer.org
[05:26] <PepperBob> ok.
[05:26] <Woody_> it threw me back to the terminal
[05:26] <PepperBob> Woody_, you need to install package:
[05:26] <PepperBob>  linux-libc-dev
[05:26] <PepperBob> Woody_, so type: sudo apt-get install  linux-libc-dev
[05:27] <Woody_> ok working....
[05:27] <Woody_> tetched 664KB
[05:28] <Woody_> fetched*
[05:28] <Woody_> okay
[05:28] <PepperBob> Woody_,
[05:28] <Woody_> done
[05:28] <PepperBob> just for the moment:
[05:28] <PepperBob> please type: sudo modprobe nvidia
[05:29] <Woody_> Not loading nvidia module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:29] <PepperBob> Woody_, you just typed modprobe nvidia?
[05:29] <Woody_> yes
[05:29] <Woody_> with sudo
[05:30] <PepperBob> yes. and the output was "Not loading nvidia module; not used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[05:30] <Woody_> yes
[05:30] <PepperBob> Woody_, type: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:30] <Woody_> ok
[05:30] <PepperBob> scroll to that line that says Driver "nvidia"
[05:31] <PepperBob> and check if it's uncommented..
[05:31] <Woody_> there is no "nvidia"
[05:31] <Woody_> its "nv"
[05:31] <PepperBob> Woody_, rewrite it to "nvidia"
[05:31] <Woody_> ok
[05:31] <Woody_> it is not commented
[05:32] <PepperBob> hit CTRL-X
[05:32] <PepperBob> and safe
[05:32] <Woody_> okay saved
[05:32] <PepperBob> modprobe again please
[05:33] <PepperBob> what does it say?
[05:33] <Woody_> [ 2898.676000]  nvidia: Unknown parameter 'NVerg_SoftEDIDs'
[05:33] <Woody_> FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia
[05:33] <PepperBob> Woody_, that sounds too bad.
[05:34] <Woody_> oh :(
[05:34] <PepperBob> Woody_, you can try to run the nvidia installer
[05:34] <PepperBob> Woody_, but it will fail loading the module in the end.
[05:34] <Woody_> im getting the same errors
[05:34] <PepperBob> Woody_, which?
[05:34] <Woody_> same, the ones when i install the nvidia installer
[05:35] <PepperBob> can you paste /var/log/nvidia-installer.org
[05:36] <Woody_> whats the command?
[05:36] <PepperBob> Woody_, "cat"
[05:37] <Woody_> no such file or direcotry
[05:37] <Woody_> directory*
[05:37] <PepperBob> Woody_, whoops.. it's  /var/log/nvidia-installer.log
[05:38] <Woody_> okay
[05:38] <Woody_> its so large
[05:38] <Woody_> it needs a pastebin
[05:38] <Woody_> and im not on X
[05:38] <Woody_> can i use vncviewer?
[05:38] <PepperBob> Woody_, let's try this:
[05:38] <Woody_> ok
[05:39] <PepperBob> Woody_, sudo apt-get install openssh
[05:39] <PepperBob> Woody_, this will install a ssh server and you'll be able to access wisam from you other notebook
[05:39] <Woody_> E: couldn't find package openssh
[05:40] <PepperBob> Woody_, just take "ssh"
[05:40] <Woody_> ok working now
[05:40] <Woody_> downloading
[05:40] <PepperBob> what is you local username on wisam?
[05:40] <Woody_> done
[05:41] <Woody_> wissam-laptop
[05:41] <PepperBob> Woody_, do you know wissam's ip address?
[05:41] <Woody_> no, its DHCP
[05:41] <Woody_> wait, i can get it from the router
[05:41] <Woody_> one moment
[05:42] <PepperBob> Woody_, np, "ifconfig" will tell you as well
[05:42] <Woody_> ok got it
[05:42] <PepperBob> now turn to you other notebook
[05:42] <Woody_> yes
[05:42] <PepperBob> and open a terminal
[05:42] <Woody_> ok
[05:43] <PepperBob> how is you other notebook called?
[05:43] <Woody_> the one im using right now
[05:43] <PepperBob> yes
[05:43] <Woody_> laptop-123
[05:43] <PepperBob> now on laptop-123 type: ssh -l wissam-laptop <wissams-ip-address>
[05:44] <Woody_> okay
[05:45] <PepperBob> Woody_, what happened?
[05:45] <Woody_> it connected but it asked me about wissam-laptop password
[05:45] <Woody_> i did put it
[05:45] <PepperBob> ok
[05:45] <Woody_> and it still says access denied
[05:45] <PepperBob> Woody_, when you log in at wissam: the login name is wissam-laptop, is that correct?
[05:46] <Woody_> no
[05:46] <Woody_> its wissam
[05:46] <PepperBob> Woody_, ah i thought that... :)
[05:46] <PepperBob> so try again from laptop-123 type: ssh -l wissam <wissam's ip address>
[05:46] <Woody_> ah okay
[05:46] <Woody_> done
[05:46] <PepperBob> so enter password
[05:47] <Woody_> ok i entered it
[05:47] <Woody_> it works now
[05:47] <PepperBob> great
[05:47] <Woody_> Linux wissam-laptop 2.6.20-15-generic #2 SMP Sun Apr 15 07:36:31 UTC 2007 i686
[05:47] <Woody_> The programs included with the Ubuntu system are free software;
[05:47] <Woody_> the exact distribution terms for each program are described in the
[05:47] <Woody_> individual files in /usr/share/doc/*/copyright.
[05:47] <Woody_> Ubuntu comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by
[05:47] <Woody_> applicable law.
[05:47] <Woody_> Last login: Thu May 17 15:12:15 2007
[05:47] <PepperBob> now cat /var/log/nvidia-installer.log
[05:47] <Woody_> on which laptop? woody or wissam?
[05:47] <PepperBob> Woody_, you are working on laptop-123 now only
[05:47] <Woody_> ah sorry
[05:47] <Woody_> ok
[05:48] <PepperBob> Woody_, there you can copy and paste terminal stuff
[05:48] <Woody_> yes i can see this: wissam@wissam-laptop:~$
[05:48] <PepperBob> Woody_, now cat that file, and copy it and paste it.
[05:48] <Woody_> cat: /var/var/log/nvidia-installer.log: No such file or directory
[05:49] <PepperBob> Woody_, look at the path. there's one /var/ to much
[05:49] <Woody_> lol sorry sorry
[05:49] <PepperBob> Woody_, try to use Tabcompletion. it will ease your day ;)
[05:49] <Woody_> :D ok
[05:50] <PepperBob> now copy it from the terminal and put it in a pastbin
[05:50] <Woody_> http://pastebin.ca/493049
[05:50] <Woody_> thats it
[05:51] <PepperBob> Woody_, ok.. erm first of all: you installed libc-dev, don't you?
[05:51] <PepperBob> Woody_, can you please type: gcc --version
[05:52] <Woody_> ok
[05:52] <Woody_> gcc (GCC) 4.1.2 (Ubuntu 4.1.2-0ubuntu4)
[05:52] <Woody_> Copyright (C) 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[05:52] <Woody_> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.  There is NO
[05:52] <Woody_> warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
[05:52] <PepperBob> ok
[05:52] <PepperBob> wait
[05:52] <nalioth> Woody_: try not to paste a bunch of extra stuff
[05:53] <Woody_> ok im sorry nalioth
[05:53] <nalioth> Woody_: it's ok for some stuff, but for versions and such, we don't need the copyright notices and such
[05:54] <Woody_> ok
[05:54] <PepperBob> Woody_, we should try with this:
[05:54] <PepperBob> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_1.0-9631.html
[05:54] <PepperBob> Woody_, Stop!
[05:54] <PepperBob> Woody_, http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-9631.html
[05:54] <PepperBob> Woody_, wrong arch
[05:55] <PepperBob> Woody_, i wasn't aware of that text that said your GPU is only support by 96XX Drivers
[05:56] <PepperBob> umph...
[05:57] <Woody_> PepperBob:
[05:57] <PepperBob> Woody_, yea
[05:57] <Woody_> im sorry, my computer just turned off :S
[05:57] <PepperBob> Woody_, don't worry.
[05:57] <Woody_> i pressed the button near the keyboard by mistake
[05:57] <Woody_> okay
[05:57] <Woody_> what was the command to reconnect to wissam?
[05:58] <PepperBob> Woody_, we have to download another driver... sorry for this confusion
[05:58] <PepperBob> Woody_, ssh -l wissam <wissam's ip>
[05:58] <Woody_> no problem
[05:58] <PepperBob> are you logged in?
[05:58] <Woody_> ok
[05:58] <Woody_> yes
[05:59] <PepperBob> Woody_, copy and paste this in the terminal:
[05:59] <PepperBob> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9631/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9631-pkg1.run
[05:59] <PepperBob> Woody_, erm,..
[05:59] <PepperBob> wget http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-9631/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-9631-pkg1.run
[05:59] <Woody_> ok
[05:59] <PepperBob> Woody_, wget is a little tool that will download the driver
[05:59] <Woody_> actually thats installing in Wissam
[05:59] <Woody_> right?
[05:59] <Woody_> yes
[05:59] <Woody_> nice
[05:59] <PepperBob> damnit
[06:00] <PepperBob> Woody_, this ctrl+w is working all over the place :)
[06:00] <PepperBob> Woody_, did the download start
[06:00] <PepperBob> ?
[06:00] <Woody_> yes
[06:01] <PepperBob> Woody_, self experiment?
[06:01] <Woody_> lol i was trying ctrl+w
[06:02] <PepperBob> Woody_, first i thought ctrl-w is mac os only. but it works all over the place. can't believe it ;)
[06:02] <Woody_> 40%
[06:02] <Woody_> :D
[06:02] <Woody_> yeah
[06:02] <PepperBob> Woody_, that will be last try. if this driver complains about hardware, we've lost i guess...
[06:03] <Woody_> okay no problem, as God wants
[06:04] <PepperBob> Woody_, where are you from btw..
[06:04] <Woody_> Lebanon
[06:04] <Woody_> North of Israel
[06:05] <Woody_> 75%
[06:05] <PepperBob> Woody_, yeah just check google maps ;)
[06:05] <Woody_> :D
[06:05] <Woody_> 90%
[06:06] <PepperBob> Woody_, we're getting close...
[06:06] <Woody_> but i dont know why it shouldnt work!
[06:06] <PepperBob> Woody_, me too.
[06:06] <Woody_> the same laptop im working on is exactly the same as the one near me
[06:06] <Woody_> 99%
[06:06] <Woody_> done
[06:06] <PepperBob> Woody_, actually it should have worked with the packages from the repository
[06:07] <Woody_> yes
[06:07] <PepperBob> Woody_, ok. now type:
[06:07] <PepperBob> sudo sh NV.. < tab completion
[06:07] <Woody_> ok
[06:07] <PepperBob> so.. same programm different driver
[06:08] <Woody_> i got the same errors and kicked me back to the console
[06:08] <Woody_> terminal i mean
[06:08] <PepperBob> please paste /var/log/nvidia... again
[06:08] <PepperBob> use pastbin!
[06:09] <Woody_> whats the full command?
[06:09] <Woody_> ah one moment
[06:09] <Woody_> got it
[06:09] <PepperBob> Woody_, cat /var/log/nvid.. use tab completion
[06:11] <PepperBob> Woody_, got it?
[06:11] <Woody_> thats it: http://www.pastebin.ca/493082
[06:12] <PepperBob> Woody_, ok.. you're missing linux-libc-dev
[06:12] <PepperBob> Woody_, so type: apt-get install linux-libc-dev
[06:12] <Woody_> how do i get it?
[06:12] <Woody_> ok
[06:12] <PepperBob> erm.. Woody_ sudo!
[06:12] <Woody_> yes sure
[06:12] <Woody_> wissam@wissam-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get install linux-libc-dev
[06:12] <Woody_> Reading package lists... Done
[06:12] <Woody_> Building dependency tree
[06:12] <Woody_> Reading state information... Done
[06:12] <Woody_> linux-libc-dev is already the newest version.
[06:12] <Woody_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[06:13] <PepperBob> Woody_, sudo apt-get install libc6-dev
[06:13] <PepperBob> Woody_, actually not sure which ones we did install already..
[06:13] <Woody_> ok downloading
[06:13] <PepperBob> Woody_, fyi: these are libraries used for compiling stuff
[06:14] <Woody_> aha okay
[06:14] <PepperBob> Woody_, first of all it hasn't complained about hardware...
[06:14] <Woody_> what do you do in life? are you a computer scientist/progam engineer?
[06:14] <Woody_> program*
[06:14] <Woody_> yes
[06:15] <Woody_> thats good
[06:15] <PepperBob> Woody_, kind of.. i'm developing databases for analytical stuff.
[06:15] <Woody_> wissam@wissam-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get install libc6-dev
[06:15] <PepperBob> Woody_, what about you?
[06:15] <Woody_> Reading package lists... Done
[06:15] <Woody_> Building dependency tree
[06:15] <Woody_> Reading state information... Done
[06:15] <Woody_> Suggested packages:
[06:15] <Woody_>   glibc-doc manpages-dev
[06:15] <Woody_> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[06:15] <Woody_>   libc6-dev
[06:15] <Woody_> 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[06:15] <Woody_> Need to get 3018kB of archives.
[06:15] <PepperBob> Woody_, erm...
[06:15] <Woody_> After unpacking 12.5MB of additional disk space will be used.
[06:15] <Woody_> Get:1 http://gh.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main libc6-dev 2.5-0ubuntu14 [3018kB]
[06:15] <Woody_> Fetched 3018kB in 1m51s (27.1kB/s)
[06:15] <Woody_> Selecting previously deselected package libc6-dev.
[06:16] <Woody_> (Reading database ... 94600 files and directories currently installed.)
[06:16] <Woody_> Unpacking libc6-dev (from .../libc6-dev_2.5-0ubuntu14_i386.deb) ...
[06:16] <Woody_> Setting up libc6-dev (2.5-0ubuntu14) ...
[06:16] <PepperBob> Woody_, okay, please keep pastebin in mind!
[06:16] <Woody_> I am a student
[06:16] <Woody_> Busines Computing Major / Computer Science Minor
[06:16] <Woody_> ok ok im sorry
[06:16] <PepperBob> cool ^
[06:16] <PepperBob> Woody_, ok, if this is done. please run the installer again
[06:16] <Woody_> ok
[06:17] <Woody_> building kernel module :D
[06:18] <Woody_> then it said this:
[06:18] <Woody_>   WARNING: You appear to be using a modular X.Org release, but nvidia-installer was unable to determine the correct X library installation path with the `pkg-config` utility.  Please install the X.Org SDK/development package for your distribution.
[06:19] <PepperBob> Woody_, mh.. wait
[06:20] <PepperBob> Woody_, alright. sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-dev
[06:20] <PepperBob> Woody_, these are development files for xserver
[06:21] <Woody_> okay
[06:21] <nalioth> !xincludes
[06:21] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   xorg-dev
[06:21] <Woody_> one moment, i clicked ok
[06:21] <Woody_> and now its searching for openGL
[06:21] <PepperBob> Woody_, still the old process?
[06:22] <Woody_> yes
[06:22] <PepperBob> Woody_, still working?
[06:22] <Woody_> yes
[06:22] <Woody_> building
[06:22] <PepperBob> Woody_, ok.
[06:23] <Woody_>  Would you like to run the nvidia-xconfig utility to automatically update
[06:23] <Woody_>   your X configuration file so that the NVIDIA X driver will be used when you
[06:23] <Woody_>   restart X?  Any pre-existing X configuration file will be backed up.
[06:23] <PepperBob> Yes
[06:23] <Woody_> Your X configuration file has been successfully updated.  Installation of
[06:23] <PepperBob> It will make the correct driver entries
[06:23] <Woody_>   the NVIDIA Accelerated Graphics Driver for Linux-x86 (version: 1.0-9631) is
[06:23] <Woody_>   now complete.
[06:23] <PepperBob> Woody_, good.
[06:23] <PepperBob> Woody_, now turn to wissam notebook
[06:23] <Woody_> so what do i do now?
[06:23] <Woody_> ok
[06:23] <PepperBob> and type on wissam: startx
[06:24] <PepperBob> Woody_, it should startx, hopefully.
[06:24] <Woody_> i got a long error
[06:24] <Woody_> i dont know if its an error
[06:25] <PepperBob> Woody_, did it start the x ?
[06:25] <Woody_> cant i type: startx from here?
[06:25] <Woody_> from this laptop?
[06:25] <PepperBob> no
[06:25] <Woody_> no it didnt start
[06:25] <Woody_> how can i send you the pastebin then?
[06:25] <PepperBob> go to laptop
[06:25] <PepperBob> and type in terminal:
[06:25] <Woody_> yes
[06:25] <PepperBob>  cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:25] <PepperBob> and paste this.
[06:25] <Woody_> laptop-123 you mean?
[06:25] <PepperBob> yes
[06:26] <PepperBob> but in the terminal pointed to wissam
[06:26] <Woody_> yes sure
[06:27] <Woody_> http://www.pastebin.ca/493106
[06:28] <PepperBob> Woody_, can you please type: lsmod | grep nvidia
[06:28] <PepperBob> Woody_, does this return something?
[06:28] <Woody_> ok
[06:29] <Woody_> no it didnt return anything
[06:29] <PepperBob> Woody_, now please type: sudo modprobe nvidia
[06:29] <PepperBob> we'll try it manually again
[06:30] <Woody_> FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia
[06:31] <PepperBob> Woody_, okay. now type: dmesg | grep -i nvidia
[06:31] <Woody_> http://www.pastebin.ca/493116
[06:32] <PepperBob> mh...
[06:32] <PepperBob> I googled for the error
[06:33] <Woody_> yes
[06:33] <PepperBob> no senible answer for this...
[06:34] <PepperBob> it's so strange
[06:34] <Woody_> mmmm
[06:35] <Woody_> its okay
[06:35] <Woody_> so i keep with legacy?
[06:35] <PepperBob> Woody_, well, the only thing is: switch xorg.conf back to "nv"
[06:37] <Woody_> yeah
[06:37] <Woody_> but nvidia legacy used to work on the pc
[06:37] <Woody_> on Wissam
[06:37] <Woody_> but only the 3D wont work like Beryl and Compiz
[06:38] <PepperBob> Woody_, oh if legacy worked use it
[06:39] <Woody_> im in X now
[06:39] <Woody_> with nv
[06:39] <PepperBob> Woody_, ok.
[06:39] <Woody_> im going to install nvidia legacy nwo
[06:39] <Woody_> now
[06:39] <PepperBob> Woody_, ok.
[06:41] <Woody_> PepperBob: thanks a lot bro
[06:41] <PepperBob> Woody_, i'm sorry that it didn't work out though...
[06:41] <Woody_> even if it didnt work, i appreciate you spending your time in helping me
[06:42] <PepperBob> Woody_, np... :)
[06:44] <PepperBob> Woody_, at least we setup some senisble stuff like ssh ;)
[06:44] <Woody_> haha yeah
[06:44] <Woody_> thats good
[06:45] <Woody_> PepperBob: how can i get back the legacy? sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy
[06:45] <PepperBob> yes
[06:45] <Woody_> and then after that, what is the second command?
[06:45] <PepperBob> Woody_, nothing. just restart X server
[06:46] <Woody_> i restarted, it didnt work
[06:47] <PepperBob> Woody_, please paste dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[06:47] <PepperBob> just want to make sure everything is setup correctly.
[06:48] <Woody_> wissam@wissam-laptop:~$ dpkg -l | grep nvidia
[06:48] <Woody_> rc  nvidia-glx                                 1.0.9631+<IP_ADDRESS>-15.20                NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver
[06:48] <Woody_> ii  nvidia-glx-legacy                          1.0.7184+<IP_ADDRESS>-15.20                NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'legacy' dri
[06:48] <Woody_> ii  nvidia-kernel-common                       20051028+1ubuntu7                      NVIDIA binary kernel module common files
[06:48] <PepperBob> Woody_, that's good.
[06:48] <PepperBob> Woody_, should work now.
[06:48] <PepperBob> What happened?
[06:49] <Woody_> do i reboot or just restart X?
[06:49] <PepperBob> Woody_, restart X will be enough
[06:49] <Woody_> i remember that i entered a command that made legacy as my primary
[06:49] <Woody_> the command was to enable it
[06:49] <PepperBob> mh...
[06:49] <PepperBob> hold on..
[06:50] <PepperBob> nvidia-glx-config enable
[06:50] <Woody_> can i reboot wissam from the console i have on this computer?
[06:51] <PepperBob> Woody_, no need to reboot
[06:51] <Woody_> i mean restart x
[06:51] <PepperBob> Woody_, no
[06:51] <PepperBob> Woody_, well yes. depends on how you wanna do it
[06:51] <PepperBob> i suggest turn to wissam notebook: and type sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[06:51] <PepperBob> and then startx
[06:51] <Woody_> ok
[06:53] <PepperBob> so?
[06:53] <Woody_> but still its not working well
[06:53] <Woody_> the graphics are not good
[06:53] <Woody_> its not using full colors
[06:54] <PepperBob> mh...
[06:56] <PepperBob> Woody_, probably you should run sudo dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:57] <PepperBob> erm.. dpkg-reconfigure
[06:58] <Woody_> ok
[06:58] <Woody_> there is a list
[06:58] <Woody_> of X server drivers
[06:58] <Woody_> which one should i choose?
[06:58] <Woody_> nvidia?
[06:58] <PepperBob> Woody_, mh... i think the nvidia one is the one that won't work
[06:58] <PepperBob> Woody_, any others?
[06:59] <PepperBob> nv i guess
[07:00] <Woody_> ok
[07:00] <Woody_> still not working
[07:01] <PepperBob> Woody_, you say the resolution and colors is not correct??
[07:01] <Woody_> its working
[07:02] <Woody_> but not with the legacy
[07:02] <PepperBob> well.
[07:02] <PepperBob> so you got it back then?
[07:02] <Woody_> maybe i should remove nvidia-glx?
[07:02] <PepperBob> dunno-
[07:02] <PepperBob> if it works - just leave it ;)
[07:03] <Woody_> it was better from before
[07:14] <Woody_> ill ask on the main of #ubuntu
[07:15] <PepperBob> Woody_, yup give it a try. i'm not too experienced with the glx stuff. i used to use the nvidia page driver...
[07:16] <Woody_> ah ok
[07:21] <Woody_> PepperBob: i wish someone listens to me on the main :P
[07:22] <PepperBob> Woody_, i'm sorry!
[07:22] <PepperBob> many people asking weird questions
[07:23] <Woody_> yeah
[07:23] <Woody_> no problem
[07:24] <PepperBob> Woody_, when you stick with "nv" you still have less colors?
[07:28] <Woody_> yes
[07:28] <PepperBob> Woody_, can you post you xorg.conf again plz
[07:28] <PepperBob> pastebin it somewhere
[07:29] <PepperBob> that's where the settings for screen resolution and color depth can be found
[07:31] <Woody_> no
[07:31] <Woody_> its not from that
[07:31] <Woody_> okay lets try
[07:32] <PepperBob> i mean if it's like 1024x768 with 24bits then ... it's fine i guess?!
[07:33] <Woody_> http://pastebin.ca/493219
[07:33] <Woody_> its from the driver not the color depth
[07:34] <PepperBob> ok, the settings are fine. that's it.
[07:38] <PepperBob> Woody_, probably this helps: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=233241
[07:40] <Woody_> SlimeyPete:
[07:40] <Woody_> guys
[07:40] <Woody_> my graphics driver is Geforce 4 Go 32MB
[07:41] <Woody_> so i think that the legacy drivers will work on it
[07:41] <SlimeyPete> yeah, that sounds about right
[07:41] <Woody_> i installed the legacy with:   sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy
[07:41] <Woody_> i rebooted
[07:41] <Woody_> i enter the X
[07:41] <Woody_> but the colors are not all working
[07:41] <Woody_> the colors are not smooth
[07:42] <Woody_> it was working from before, but i messed up with it
[07:42] <Woody_> now i want to restore it back
[07:42] <Woody_> what do you think i should do guys? SlimeyPete sorsis
[07:42] <sorsis> do you know how many colors you have n your desktop?
[07:42] <Woody_> i have the same laptop
[07:42] <Woody_> i have 2 laptops which are the same
[07:43] <Woody_> the one im using right now works
[07:43] <Woody_> up to 24bit i think
[07:43] <Woody_> the other computer (which has the problem) i want to install the legacy on it
[07:43] <Woody_> what exactly should i do?
[07:43] <SlimeyPete> the nvidia installer should have left a backup up of your xorg.conf. It'll probably be called /etc/X11/xorg.conf.0 or xorg.conf.old. Copy that over the top of /etc/X11/xorg.conf to get rid of your changes.
[07:44] <SlimeyPete> why did you use apt-get, by the way? Did the Restricted Hardware Manager not work?
[07:44] <Woody_> yes i tried the RHM it didnt work
[07:45] <SlimeyPete> ah right
[07:45] <SlimeyPete> did you run the nvidia-xconfig script? (it might be called something different in the legacy package, I can't remember)
[07:46] <Woody_> okay
[07:46] <Woody_> i did what you told me SlimeyPete
[07:46] <Woody_> no i didnt run that
[07:47] <SlimeyPete> ok, once you've copied the file over, just restart X by hitting ctrl-alt-backspace (remember to save your work first if you have anything open!)
[07:47] <Woody_> now X cannot boot
[07:48] <Woody_> shit X can not start
[07:48] <Woody_> what should i do now?
[07:48] <SlimeyPete> wait a moment. It will probably give you a screen whcih will allow you to view the error log.
[07:49] <Woody_> it told me that the X could not be loaded
[07:49] <Woody_> and now it is asking for the username and password
[07:49] <Woody_> but not in X
[07:49] <SlimeyPete> right... it should have asked if you want to view the error log
[07:49] <Woody_> its like the terminal
[07:49] <Woody_> i think i clicked cancel
[07:49] <Woody_> what should i do now?
[07:50] <SlimeyPete> log in
[07:50] <SlimeyPete> and type "sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[07:50] <Woody_> ok
[07:51] <Woody_> the driver is "nvidia"
[07:51] <Woody_> i change it to "nv"?
[07:51] <SlimeyPete> yes
[07:51] <Woody_> rebooting now
[07:53] <Woody_> still the same thing
[07:53] <Woody_> Failed to start the X server
[07:53] <SlimeyPete> weird.
[07:53] <SlimeyPete> can you view the error log, this time?
[07:53] <Woody_> it asks, would you like to view the X server output to diagonse the problem?
[07:53] <Woody_> i press yes
[07:54] <SlimeyPete> if you scroll to the bottom, what does it say?
[07:54] <Woody_> Fatal server error
[07:54] <Woody_> No screens found
[07:54] <Woody_> i click okay?
[07:54] <SlimeyPete> hmm, OK. If you exit that screen it should ask if you want to see the detailed log.
[07:54] <SlimeyPete> You do want to view the detailed log.
[07:55] <Woody_> now it says, Would you like to view the detailed X server output as well?
[07:55] <Woody_> yes
[07:55] <SlimeyPete> yep, you want to do that
[07:55] <SlimeyPete> and look through it for the words "error", "warnign" and "nv"
[07:56] <Woody_> it says at the bottom
[07:56] <Woody_> no screens found
[07:56] <Woody_> how do i get back to my x?
[07:57] <SlimeyPete> so there are no other errors in the file? Further up, I mean.
[07:57] <SlimeyPete> they might give a clue as to exactly what failed
[07:57] <Woody_> the error is sooo long
[07:58] <SlimeyPete> yeah, I know. It's actually a file in /var/log , so you could always run nano on the file and use the search facility.
[07:58] <Woody_> but shouldnt it work if i change it to nv?
[07:59] <SlimeyPete> yes, it should, really. The other thing to check in your xorg.conf is the monitor settings, I guess.
[07:59] <Woody_> how can i get back to my X now?
[08:00] <Woody_> want me to send you my xorg.conf in pastebin?
[08:00] <SlimeyPete> nah... without knowing your hardware I can't really figure out what the problem is.
[08:00] <SlimeyPete> try a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system"
[08:00] <SlimeyPete> that should set everything back to default, in theory
[08:01] <Woody_> wissam@wissam-laptop:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system
[08:01] <Woody_> Package `x-window-system' is not installed and no info is available.
[08:01] <Woody_> Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files,
[08:01] <Woody_> and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents.
[08:01] <Woody_> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: x-window-system is not installed
[08:02] <SlimeyPete> hrm... damn, wassit called in ubuntu. "xorg-server" or "xorg-common" maybe?
[08:02] <SlimeyPete> (sorry.... I'm not in Ubuntu at the moment, else I'd check)
[08:02] <SlimeyPete> ah
[08:02] <Woody_> i am trying VESA
[08:02] <SlimeyPete> it's "xserver-xorg"
[08:02] <Woody_> instead of NV
[08:03] <SlimeyPete> yeah, that's a good idea.
[08:03] <Woody_> maybe X will work now
[08:03] <Woody_> you're good in installing nvidia graphics on ubuntu?
[08:03] <SlimeyPete> I've been using nvidia with ubuntu for a couple of years... variosu different cards & versions of ubuntu
[08:04] <Woody_> X is working now
[08:04] <Woody_> yeah
[08:04] <SlimeyPete> I'm afraid I have to go now, though. Sorry I wasn't much help.
[08:04] <Woody_> no problem :)
[08:04] <Woody_> thanks anye
[08:04] <Woody_> anyway


[14:56] <samoangunner> hi is anyone here?
[14:58] <jpds> samoangunner: You're more likely to find support somewhere else, like #ubuntu.
[15:03] <samoangunner> thanx


[03:19] <moebius_> is ubuntujava.yimports.com discontinued?
[03:19] <moebius_> one mirror is gone and the other won't allow login
[03:30] <wasabi> Pssh.
[03:31] <wasabi> We are unrelated to that project.
[03:31] <moebius_> well, I know they are not an official ubuntu thing
[03:31] <moebius_> but I thought you might be somewhat aware of their status since they are in the same area
[03:31] <wasabi> I had no idea they existed until you pasted that link.
[03:32] <moebius_> ah
[03:32] <moebius_> it's the first thing that comes up in google for "ubuntu java"
[03:32] <moebius_> and it was references on ubuntuguide.com (I know, also not official)
[03:32] <moebius_> er, referenced
[03:32] <wasabi> I dunno what this guy offers that we don't, other than a prepackaged Sun.
[03:33] <wasabi> Which isn't THAT hard to do yourself.
[03:33] <moebius_> but most of the official java stuff isn't in hoary
[03:33] <moebius_> which I gather his packages are available for
[03:33] <wasabi> true
[03:33] <moebius_> although I'm not sure since I can't get into the repositories
[03:34] <moebius_> but if they are down I guess I can try apt pinning
[03:34] <wasabi> Heh. THis is that project run by that guy who said we should package sUn's jdk.
[03:34] <wasabi> and tried to creatively ignore the license issues.
[03:35] <moebius_> isn't there an official 1.5.0 package?
[03:35] <wasabi> For Sun?
[03:35] <wasabi> No.
[03:35] <moebius_> at least, something I read about in backports
[03:36] <wasabi> Those guys are also creatively ignoring the license.
[03:36] <moebius_> well, semi-official I should say
[03:36] <wasabi> ie not "official
[03:36] <moebius_> that's the fun thing about ubuntu, like debian
[03:36] <moebius_> the levels of "officialness"
[03:36] <moebius_> not to knock it since I understand the issues behind it
[03:37] <moebius_> but it makes the symantecs annoying sometimes
[03:37] <wasabi> Whatcha mean? The fact that there are third parties?
[03:37] <wasabi> There will always be third parties.
[03:38] <moebius_> I mean regarding how some are official ubuntu supported
[03:38] <moebius_> and some are ubuntu packaged but not supported
[03:38] <moebius_> and some are packaged but restricted and unsupported
[03:38] <wasabi> Hmm. I can download Windows software packaged in .exe's from download.com
[03:39] <wasabi> Those aren't supported by MS. ;)
[03:39] <moebius_> I understand the whole issues
[03:39] <moebius_> it just sometimes makes it annoying when you're trying to talk about what is an "official" ubuntu package
[03:39] <wasabi> It's official if you can find it in archive.ubuntu.com
[03:40] <wasabi> It's supported if you can find it in main.
[03:40] <jbailey> g'm Jerry
[03:40] <wasabi> mornin
[03:40] <moebius_> like how Debian has non-free stuff on servers but they carefully explain how it is there strictly as a convenience and should in no way be misconstrued to be a part of the Debian project proper, etc
[03:45] <moebius_> apt-get -t breezy install eclipse-platform
[03:45] <moebius_> here goes...
[03:51] <wasabi> I mihg tnot recommend you do that. ;)
[03:52] <wasabi> I don't know what other things it will pull in.
[03:52] <wasabi> Maybe libc or something crazy
[03:53] <moebius_> hmm
[03:53] <moebius_> good point.
[03:53] <wasabi> if anything, you can recompile it.
[03:56] <moebius_> is apt-source up to snuff nowadays?
[03:56] <wasabi> always has been
[03:56] <wasabi> err
[03:56] <wasabi> apt-source? dunno
[03:56] <wasabi> apt-get source yes!
[03:57] <moebius_> hmm I guess that's it
[03:57] <moebius_> it's been a good while since I used Debian
[03:57] <moebius_> there was a lot of working going on to try to make source installs as easy as binary installs
[03:58] <jbailey> I think apt-get -b source ...  will download and build it for you.
[03:59] <jbailey> If you do a wrapper around gcc you can do ccache, tweak options, etc.
[03:59] <jbailey> Just have to be a bit careful then when doing an update, since with the md5sum mismatch, apt might attempt to get the pure version from the archive again.
[04:00] <moebius_> well I have breezy pinned to 10
[04:00] <moebius_> so as far as I gather it shouldn't pull in anything from breezy unless I tell it to explicitly


[06:33] <jayphi> i tried to boot ubuntu from my second hard drive but it gives me the message /bin/sh:  can't access tty; job control off  Can someone please help?


[00:00] <blackflow> I know :)
[00:23] <JanC> blackflow: that's why some people insist on using different drives for a mirror/RAID (different brand, model or at least production series)
[00:24] <JanC> drives from the same production run are much more likely to die within a short time from each other
[00:24] <RoyK> I've made that failure - getting 80 WD Black drives from the same batch - a really bad one...
[00:25] <JanC> I hope they at least died while under warranty?
[00:25] <RoyK> truth to say, we didn't have time - we just ordered a new batch and returned them later
[00:25] <RoyK> some of them didn't even show smart errors
[00:26] <JanC> did they work at all?
[00:26] <RoyK> but then - there's the 'twist and shout' trick - spin up a drive, twist it  90 degrees against spinning angle and wait for it to spin up again, repeat until it dies
[00:26] <RoyK> the 'shout' part is just fun
[00:27] <RoyK> they worked, or a while
[00:27] <RoyK> some of them still work, but that's under 20%
[00:27] <JanC> SMART is only useful for detecting stuff like a degrading magnetic surface and the like
[00:28] <RoyK> this was probably mechanic
[00:28] <JanC> if the r/w heads break off, or the controller board is toast, SMART won't be useful
[00:28] <RoyK> the controller boards don't die like that for that amount of drives
[00:29] <RoyK> it was timing issues, perhaps a bad firmware
[00:29] <RoyK> something nasty
[00:29] <RoyK> so I made sure we could return some of them
[00:29] <JanC> well, in theory it's possible that the controllers die (or have bad RAM, or something like that)
[00:30] <RoyK> this was an issue of a bunch of sata drives on sas expanders that really didn't like it
[00:31] <RoyK> or the sas controllers didn't like them or whatever
[00:31] <RoyK> they didn't work well on sata either
[00:31] <JanC> oh, that's also possible, I guess
[00:31] <JanC> so much can go wrong  :)
[00:31] <RoyK> we had a tight budget, so we got some new sata drives, hitachis, worked well
[00:31] <JanC> even just a fault resistor or capacitor on the controller can make a drive useless...
[00:32] <RoyK> and then I spent some time twisting drives and returning them
[00:32] <RoyK> JanC: it wasn't that - beleive me
[00:32] <RoyK> they were fairly new and showed no issues except perhaps dying
[00:33] <JanC> I have 30yo drives which probably still work...
[00:33] <JanC> if I would try them on some old computer  :)
[00:34] <RoyK> old IDE or SCSI things?
[00:34] <RoyK> MFM?
[00:34] <JanC> old IDE
[00:34] <JanC> Quantum Bigfoot
[00:35] <RoyK> that's probably only 20YO
[00:35] <RoyK> IIRC
[00:35] <RoyK> I  remember those arriving around 1998
[00:36] <RoyK> it was amazing - 10 gigs on a drive!!!!!
[00:36] <JanC> I have some disk from the early 1990s too somewhere
[00:36] <RoyK> some 52MB disk?
[00:37]  * RoyK also remembers starting to  fiddle around with linux (slackware 2.1, kernel 1.1.59) around 1994 and found he could boost the I/O speed to the harddisk up to 1MB/s (!!!) by turning on DMA with hdparm
[00:38] <RoyK> amazing times ;)
[00:38] <JanC> this Quantum Bigfoot CY was from 1996 or so
[00:39] <RoyK> 5,25"? got a model number?
[00:39] <RoyK> iirc all the bigfoots were 5,25"
[00:39] <RoyK> although everything else by then was 3,5", but then, the bigfoots were *huge*
[00:40] <JanC> yeah, the 5.25" was what distinguished them; it allowed them to make cheaper drives with the same capacity
[00:40] <RoyK> get a time machine and show me a micro sd card of 256GB back then ;)
[00:41]  * RoyK doesn't have a DeLorian, sadly
[00:44] <JanC> that Bigfoot was 6.4 GB   :)
[00:45] <RoyK> 4k5rpm?
[00:45] <RoyK> or 3k6?
[00:45] <JanC> 3.6k
[00:45] <JanC> all Bigfoot CY were 3.6k rpm
[00:45] <RoyK> not quite an SSD, then
[00:46] <JanC> 6 MB/sec read speed  :)
[00:46] <RoyK> random iops, perhaps 50 on a good day
[00:46] <RoyK> those were the days :D
[00:46] <JanC> (and that's sequential, I assume)
[00:46] <RoyK> it was indeed
[00:47] <RoyK> probably outer rim
[00:47] <RoyK> inner rim was half the speed or less
[00:47] <JanC> :)
[00:47] <JanC> well, on floppy disks it usually was the same
[00:47] <RoyK> same rule applies to modern drives - more sectors on the outside
[00:48] <JanC> some early hard disks too maybe
[00:48] <RoyK> floppies didn't have zones
[00:48] <RoyK> neither did mfm drives
[00:48] <JanC> well, you could mess with floppies to have more data on the outside
[00:49] <JanC> if you programmed them yourself instead of using the BIOS  :)
[00:49] <RoyK> well, gotta go - it's late
[00:50] <JanC> I think that early 1990s drive I had is either at my parents or thrown away
[00:51] <JanC> but that bigfoot from the mid-1990s, I remember it still worked when I tried it about 10 years ago  :)
[01:13] <beatzz> After upgrading to Ubuntu Server 18.04 Apache2's php capabilities are messed up
[01:14] <JanC> if you want help, you probably better explain exactly what is wrong...
[03:27] <KurbuntusBain> hey
[03:27] <KurbuntusBain> i am an annoying newbie and i got dum questions
[03:28] <KurbuntusBain> do i have to instal proftp in ubuntu as a user other than 'root'? and if the anser is yes, why is that?
[04:06] <cryptodan> KurbuntusBain: use SFTP via SSHServer
[04:14] <KurbuntusBain> ok
[04:14] <KurbuntusBain> ill do that
[04:14] <KurbuntusBain> im getting everything setup now or at least trying to
[04:15] <KurbuntusBain> it's been a rough couple of days, i've got lemp installed and i was able to get vsftpd running now, i need to get dns and email server going what would you suggest?  I was told to use power dns and bind, i've downloaded bind aleady
[04:22] <cryptodan> I prefer keeping things simple and recommending that
[04:29] <KurbuntusBain> so i just got this new dedicated server, it's my first one, what would you say is the coolest thing i can do being new to this
[04:30] <KurbuntusBain> what was your favorite part of getting your first dedicvated server?
[04:30] <KurbuntusBain> 'dedicated'?
[04:30] <KurbuntusBain> (I got this thing just to screw around with and learn btw)
[04:33] <cryptodan> KurbuntusBain: getting DNS propagate
[04:34] <KurbuntusBain> lol
[04:35] <KurbuntusBain> omg, it's giving me shit just tring to instal mariadb
[04:35] <KurbuntusBain> See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
[04:36] <KurbuntusBain> guess i have to install BIND first
[04:39] <cryptodan> KurbuntusBain: look into running tasksel
[04:40] <KurbuntusBain> Ok, cryptodan.  Ill check that out.  Now this is saying I should have TWO servers?
[04:40] <KurbuntusBain> for ns1 and ns2....for reals?
[04:40] <cryptodan> yup
[04:40] <cryptodan> preferably on separate subnets
[04:40] <KurbuntusBain> well that's expensive
[04:41] <linuxthefish> don't be silly lol
[04:41] <KurbuntusBain> im definitely silly as shit dude
[04:41] <KurbuntusBain> im like as new as trump with this stuff
[04:42] <linuxthefish> if it's just for playing around having only one nameserver is fine
[04:42] <KurbuntusBain> I have a dedicated server at psychz and a vps at vultr
[04:43] <linuxthefish> if your domain registrar requires two nameservers (ns1 and ns2), just point them to the same IP on the same server
[04:43] <linuxthefish> or use a free DNs service like cloudflare or the place you got your domain from
[04:43] <KurbuntusBain> that'll work right?  the vps is 10 bucks a month, i mean it is for experimenting but i do need to host my companies website in a month or so and eventually (six mos) I may enter email marketing and run a predictive dialer
[04:44] <linuxthefish> yes
[04:46] <cryptodan> KurbuntusBain: you better be on the up and up with your hosting skills or else you may end up being fired and your comapny being on several blacklists
[04:46] <KurbuntusBain> i have like 4 domains....The main thing I am really trying to accomplish is setup my company's website and have an employee portal to download documents and host a CRM
[04:46] <KurbuntusBain> I can't get fired man, I own the company, lol
[04:46] <KurbuntusBain> I am just starting out.  and I am on the up and up
[04:47] <KurbuntusBain> I am a broker in the deregulated energy market
[04:47] <KurbuntusBain> I am not a spammer
[04:47] <KurbuntusBain> it's all good no bad stuff man
[04:48] <KurbuntusBain> eveyrone is doubting me and thiunking im up to something shady it seems lol
[04:49] <KurbuntusBain> i know why ...it's because I know little and probably not saying the right words....
[04:49] <KurbuntusBain> I just prefer to do things myself rather than higher people and pay crazy rates
[04:50] <KurbuntusBain> I have 5 ip's
[04:50] <KurbuntusBain> too
[04:50] <KurbuntusBain> I just need guidance
[04:51] <linuxthefish> KurbuntusBain it's when you say things like "email marketing and run a predictive dialer"
[04:51] <KurbuntusBain> lol, i know
[04:52] <linuxthefish> and most people asking these questions are spammers without a budget to pay other people to set stuff up lol
[04:52] <KurbuntusBain> i completely understand, but those functionalities can be completely legitimate provided the nmbers are from opt in or dbl opt in lists
[04:52] <linuxthefish> if it's an important low traffic website just pay for some decent $5 a month hosting and be done with it
[04:52] <KurbuntusBain> and the phone numbers are scrubed to not be on the DNC
[04:53] <linuxthefish> good
[04:53] <linuxthefish> but in the long run learning how to set stuff up properly will save you a lot of time and money
[04:53] <KurbuntusBain> I am prob running ViciDialer and from what I understand that requires a dedicated
[04:54] <KurbuntusBain> plus man, i just got a dedicated for $25/month
[04:54] <KurbuntusBain> lol, it's a Atom525 but, either way, not a bad deal right?>\
[04:55] <KurbuntusBain> plus eventually i'd like to sell web design and hosting services for to small business
[04:56] <KurbuntusBain> $25/mo vs $10/mo for a shared hosting, why not just spend the extra $15 and go dedicated
[04:58] <linuxthefish> if all your call agents are in the same building, it will make more sense to run a server there locally
[04:58] <linuxthefish> for voip
[04:59] <linuxthefish> KurbuntusBain cPanel is the standard for selling web hosting, most clients will expect it
[05:01] <linuxthefish> but if set up properly your own web server on a VPS will be a lot better than shared hosting, and cheaper
[05:02] <linuxthefish> personally I use lighttpd and mariadb for all my sites, some larger ones but I host my DNS on Amazon Route 53
[05:05] <KurbuntusBain> that's the thing, my reps will be remote
[05:05] <KurbuntusBain> most of them at first
[05:06] <KurbuntusBain> plus, I've worked at a hosting company before that sold shared hosting and i've seen what can happen
[05:06] <linuxthefish> ah ok, yeah your way will be best then
[05:07] <KurbuntusBain> one person can bring the whole machine down
[05:07] <KurbuntusBain> it's not likeley but it could happen
[05:08] <linuxthefish> did they use cloudlinux for cpanel? it can set per user limits for CPU etc
[05:08] <KurbuntusBain> i think they used virtuozo or something?
[05:08] <KurbuntusBain> I can't remember I didn't need to know too much about the technical side
[05:08] <KurbuntusBain> just enough
[05:09] <KurbuntusBain> i've used cpanel and whm it's easy
[05:09] <linuxthefish> virtuozo is basically a VPS, so the cpanel server was running in a container
[05:09] <KurbuntusBain> on my dedicated I can't set it up as a VPS environment because it's so old huh';
[05:10] <linuxthefish> and cheaper license costs haha
[05:10] <linuxthefish> KurbuntusBain sure you can!
[05:10] <linuxthefish> you can make a few VPS's on your dedicated server, each with their own IP and operating system
[05:11] <linuxthefish> but for small servers it's not worth it
[05:11] <KurbuntusBain> I looked up the processor specs and saww " Intel® Virtualization Technology (VT-x) ‡
[05:11] <KurbuntusBain> No "
[05:11] <KurbuntusBain> and figured that meant to virtual privatge servesr lol
[05:12] <linuxthefish> ah, you can still run OpenVZ but not KVM
[05:13] <KurbuntusBain> I can get 300 mbs a second internet here at my house, im thinking about just running my own server here
[05:13] <linuxthefish> where did you buy your dedicated server from?
[05:13] <KurbuntusBain> i got it form psychz
[05:13] <linuxthefish> KurbuntusBain that's a bad idea unless it's a business connection and you have a static IP
[05:14] <KurbuntusBain> it's usually 70/mo i got a good deal i thnk
[05:14] <linuxthefish> https://www.kimsufi.com/us/en/servers.xml do some cheap dedicated servers also, but they only have 1 IP
[05:15] <linuxthefish> running a server at home is good for learning and messing about, but it's a bad idea for anything business related
[05:15] <linuxthefish> and with power and hardware costs you won't save much money if any at all
[05:15] <KurbuntusBain> it's got 4gb ram 500gb sata 100mpbs port 30tb/mo and 5 ips, they are going to convert it to 2 512GB SSD's next month for $20 more a monthy
[05:16] <linuxthefish> sounds perfect if you are careful with RAM
[05:16] <KurbuntusBain> I am running Windows ten on my laptop at home currently, should I convert this thing to a dual boot system  you think?
[05:17] <linuxthefish> KurbuntusBain don't rush head first into everything lol
[05:17] <KurbuntusBain> hahah
[05:17] <KurbuntusBain> that's always been my issue
[05:18] <linuxthefish> personally I think you should learn the terminal (command line) side of things first, and setting up a web server is the perfect way to start
[05:18] <KurbuntusBain> I have  oracle vmware already so i was playing around with that
[05:18] <KurbuntusBain> you are right
[05:18] <KurbuntusBain> how would you sugges being careful with ram
[05:18] <KurbuntusBain> because that's not upgradable on this server
[05:19] <linuxthefish> KurbuntusBain use lighttpd or nginx for a web server, and configure your mysel server to use less ram
[05:19] <linuxthefish> you should be fine even without changing any mysql server settings though
[05:20] <KurbuntusBain> cool im using nginx now
[05:20] <linuxthefish> perfect!
[05:20] <KurbuntusBain> im just now setting up everytihng this nameserver shit is complicatesd
[05:20] <linuxthefish> but asterisk for voip can be greedy
[05:20] <linuxthefish> KurbuntusBain is this nameservers for your company website?
[05:20] <KurbuntusBain> im trying to figure out how to configure the options file for bind as we speak
[05:21] <KurbuntusBain> i haven't setup the name servers yet
[05:21] <linuxthefish> I suggest using a free DNS service like cloudflare, then if your dedicated server goes down you won't lose the DNS records for all your other servers
[05:22] <KurbuntusBain> well i've already bought a few domains
[05:22] <KurbuntusBain> i got some through namecheap
[05:22] <linuxthefish> did you say you had a VPS from vultr? they have a very good free DNS service
[05:23] <KurbuntusBain> yes
[05:23] <linuxthefish> KurbuntusBain you can even use namecheap's DNS, but it's kinda crap
[05:24] <KurbuntusBain> my
[05:24] <linuxthefish> and in the namecheap control panel, you just set the nameservers to ns1.vultr.com and ns2.vultr.com if you are using vultr's DNS
[05:24] <KurbuntusBain> namecheap offers a premium dns supposedly ...."Enable PremiumDNS protection in order to switch your domain to our PremiumDNS platform. With our PremiumDNS platform, you get 100% DNS uptime and DDoS protection at the DNS level.
[05:24] <linuxthefish> KurbuntusBain don't get that, it's a waste of money and others do it for free and better
[05:25] <KurbuntusBain> I gues i did have a custom DNS setup already for klimco.group it's ns3.klimcogroup.com and ns4.klimcogroup.com
[05:25] <linuxthefish> for example vultr and cloudflare both have ddos protected DNS, and they are on anycast
[05:26] <KurbuntusBain> that's the thing that's a little confusing to me
[05:27] <KurbuntusBain> still trying to wrap my head around how dns works....
[05:27] <KurbuntusBain> supposedly I have 20mbps ddos protection on my server with psychsz
[05:28] <linuxthefish> you need to add glue records in the namecheap control panel for klimco.group
[05:31] <KurbuntusBain> gotcha, then i just point them to my ip address, so why do I need to have a DNS on my dedi?
[05:32] <linuxthefish> KurbuntusBain you need to set up glue records if you want to host nameserver on your dedicated server
[05:33] <linuxthefish> if you use another dns provider you don't need to set up glue records, you just set the nameservers
[05:35] <linuxthefish> it's called "personal dns server" in namecheap settings
[05:35] <KurbuntusBain> so if I use cloudfare i am not going to have to pay anything else?
[05:35] <linuxthefish> correct KurbuntusBain
[05:39] <linuxthefish> you can pay extra money for cloudflare if you want to add special rules or some other stuff, but you won't need it
[05:39] <linuxthefish> https://www.cloudflare.com/plans/
[05:43] <linuxthefish> https://i.imgur.com/eEeRW7D.png is how I have one of my test domains set up, cloudflare on the right and namecheap settings on the left
[07:42] <ShellcatZero> after upgrading from 16.04 to 18.04, it seems I cannot resolve hostnames on the local network, any ideas?
[09:02] <Skuggen> ShellcatZero: Check your /etc/resolv.conf. After installing 18.04 (I used 16.04-based Mint before), I had some trouble with it being overwritten on every boot
[10:34] <tomreyn> ShellcatZero: maybe you need to configure a search domain
[12:14] <RoyK> Skuggen: iirc it says just that in the file - do you configure the network the old way, as in the interfaces file?
[17:12] <daemon> hey all I just shot a youtube video that involved Ubuntu Server 18, I know very little about linux and it did work it jsut had a couple of weird messages: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ego4Lt_t67w the fun starts at around 8:45 with a strange message from grub, if anyone has any idea about that and the strange network config timeout about a minute later from that I would really appreciate clarrification on what it is so I can comment in my
[17:12] <daemon> videos correctly for linux installs
[17:21] <mrelcee> i have a 17.0.4 install I am trying to upgrade to 18 LTS.  i've tried 'do-release-upgrade' and it says no new versions available.  yeah I know 17.0.4 is EOL, 16 and 18 wouldn't install in my VM environment properly..    what are my options?
[17:22] <tomreyn> mrelcee: did you see what ubottu told you in #ubuntu ?
[17:22] <mrelcee> yes
[17:23] <tomreyn> and, did you try this?
[17:24] <daemon> o/ mrelcee
[17:28] <chingus> does host OS manage iptables with docker installed, or does docker manage?
[17:33] <mrelcee> tomreyn: I certainly am trying to follow it.
[17:34] <mrelcee> getting stuck at sources.list.  what is the codename i should be using, bionic?
[17:35] <tomreyn> mrelcee: the upgrade path from 17.04 to the next non EOL release (18.04 LTS) would be: 17.10 ("artful"), 18.04 LTS ("bionic").
[17:36] <mrelcee> that helps
[17:36] <tomreyn> mrelcee: i think you'll have a better result if you'll just backup and install fresh, though. (but either should work.)
[17:37] <mrelcee> fresh install with 18 results in a system i can't boot
[17:37] <tomreyn> there's no 'ubuntu 18', should i assume you're referring to ubuntu 18.04 LTS? is that 18.04.0 or 18.04.1?
[17:38] <tomreyn> how are you installing, and on what hardware? what's the actual error message when it can't boot
[17:39] <tomreyn> please also specify the architecture. is it amd64? if so, uefi or bios boot?
[17:40] <mrelcee> ye 18.0.4 LTS
[17:40] <mrelcee> yes
[17:41] <mrelcee> amd64, uefi, running under bhyve w/freebsd as the host
[17:41] <tomreyn> "ubuntu 18.0.4 LTS" does not exist either :-/
[17:42] <tomreyn> hmm, i don't know what "bhyve" is.
[17:43] <mrelcee> Please forgive my linux ignorance.   I use somethign else day in and day out.  18.4
[17:43] <mrelcee> oh excuse me. 18.04
[17:43] <mrelcee> +LTS
[17:43] <tomreyn> so is this "18.04.0 LTS" or "18.04.1 LTS"?
[17:44] <RoyK> tomreyn: lsb_release -a
[17:44] <RoyK> tomreyn: or cat /etc/os-release
[17:44] <tomreyn> RoyK: this is about a non-booting system
[17:45] <daemon> mrelcee, if your not using -l
[17:45] <RoyK> iirc lsb_release isn't that popular anymore
[17:45] <daemon> your not using UEFI mode
[17:45] <RoyK> tomreyn: then just check /etc/os-release
[17:45] <RoyK> on that system
[17:46] <RoyK> finally people have agreed on some small things across distros
[17:46] <mrelcee> ok the ISO I grabbed is ubuntu-18.04.1-live-server-amd64.iso.     I'm getting confused reading umpteen websites with umpteen versions
[17:46] <tomreyn> RoyK: i think you're meaning to address mrelcee here
[17:46] <tomreyn> mrelcee: okay, now how does the installation fail?
[17:46] <RoyK> tomreyn, sorry. mrelcee please see my comments above
[17:47] <tomreyn> mrelcee: isorry, i mean how does booting fail
[17:47] <mrelcee> the installation does not fail.  It fails to boot after.  it just boots to grub>
[17:47] <daemon> mrelcee, got teamviewer?
[17:47] <tomreyn> mrelcee: do you have multiple storages there?
[17:48] <mrelcee> just a single HD image
[17:48] <mrelcee> daemon: nope
[17:48] <daemon> mrelcee, get to the grub> prompt and type 'ls'
[17:48] <daemon> paste the resultsback if there <2 lines long
[17:49] <tomreyn> so bhye is a type 2 HV for freebsdm ok
[17:49] <tomreyn> *bhyve
[17:49] <daemon> tomreyn, if you scroll up to my question when I entered about 30 m ago
[17:49] <daemon> tomreyn, that video is ubuntu server in bhyve
[17:50] <mrelcee> daeon: I would have to reinstall 18.04.1 LTS to do this troubleshooting with you.  I currently have a working 17.04
[17:50] <daemon> mrelcee, ok dokey, well im on the freebsd virtulization mailing list if you wanna give it a try and im not around on irc ;P
[17:51] <mrelcee> curiously 16.X LTS and 18.04.1 LTS fail to boot while 17 works just fine
[17:51] <tomreyn> daemon: i'm not familiar with bhyve. a web search for "/boot/grub/x86_64-emu" returns two hits, one of which is bhyve related, both are quite old.
[17:52] <daemon> tomreyn, ahh so thatIS a bhyve problem, nice now I can ask some questions about it cheers
[17:52] <mrelcee> i'm going to back burner this to next sunday. i'm burning my sunday up on this
[17:53] <mrelcee> thanks for tryig to help
[17:53] <tomreyn> daemon: i dont *know* it's a bhyve issue, but it seems likely to me.
[17:53] <daemon> tomreyn, its something kinda odd I run quitea few vm's including gentoo, debian, arch pretty much anything you can imagine
[17:53] <daemon> and I have never seen that error before
[17:54] <daemon> I wonder if freebsd built bhyve-grub
[17:54] <daemon> is an older version and expecting it there
[17:55] <daemon> but surely gentoo would have kicked up the same warning
[17:55] <tomreyn> daemon: i'm not enough into grub to provide a more qualified response, i'm afraid. maybe come back here during the week during uk business hours if you'd like a more qualified response
[17:55] <daemon> tomreyn, any idea about the network thing about a minute after
[17:55] <daemon> thatis deffinetly in the linux setup its self
[17:57] <tomreyn> daemon: the ip address assigned to the system via dhcp is one of general electrics, that's correct?
[17:57] <daemon> tomreyn, yep
[17:58] <daemon> tomreyn, usually use the US militaries space
[17:58] <tomreyn> well you surely know what you're doing ther ;)
[17:58] <tomreyn> and this mac address is only used once?
[17:58] <daemon> yep
[17:59] <daemon> well thats a lie
[17:59] <daemon> as you can see it was assigned to the gentoo image
[17:59] <daemon> but that gentoo image is not booted when I am doing that
[17:59] <tomreyn> ok
[18:00] <daemon> all I can figure is its waiting for a SLAAC announce
 https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/40549824_2260770083936357_7347757761402241024_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=d3ad9466353a2208594ac2316cc22ad0&oe=5C3206E6 </slightlyofftopic>
[18:00] <daemon> hehe
[18:01] <daemon> epoch or bust :)
[18:01] <tomreyn> daemon: maybe. i couldnt tell what it's doing from the output provided there. you'll have a log somewehre in /var/log post installation
[18:01] <daemon> lemme fire it up
[18:01] <tomreyn> daemon: this 'server live'  installer is still quite new, and while it's the default now, it still suffers from a few bugs
[18:01] <daemon> yeah but thats not in hte install step
[18:02] <daemon> thats it booting from the hard disk
[18:02] <tomreyn> daemon: there's an alternative installer, which is the old "debian-installer" based installer
[18:02] <RoyK> tomreyn: the fun thing about ubuntu, is that a new installer, practically a beta, is selected as the default installer for an LTS version of the OS, which intentionally, it should seem, would be stable…
[18:03] <daemon> I only picked it to help thato ther guy out earlier lol
[18:03] <tomreyn> daemon: right, i'm just guiuessing that maybe the installer didn't configure your network properly, but that's really just a wild guess.
[18:03] <daemon> net detection script is about to fail and continue booting
[18:03] <daemon> bang on 2 minutes
[18:03] <daemon> it fails over
[18:03] <tomreyn> RoyK: i'm very aware of the irony.
[18:03]  * RoyK uses debian on servers
[18:04] <daemon> ok I ahve /var/log's which file would you need
[18:04] <tomreyn> daemon: i don't rmemeber which is the exact log file. i could look it up in a VM if you can't identify it
[18:05] <daemon> grep -ri dhcp .
[18:05] <tomreyn> personally i don't *need* this file. ;)
[18:05] <daemon> shows hits on
[18:05] <daemon> ./syslog
[18:05] <daemon> ./installer/installer-journal.txt
[18:05] <daemon> ./cloud-init.log
[18:06] <daemon> its ipv6
[18:06] <daemon> its waiting for an address to be announced and neighbour discovery
[18:06] <tomreyn> it's /var/log/installer
[18:07] <tomreyn> not sure which one there exactly
[18:07] <daemon>  /var/log/installer
[18:07] <tomreyn> my limited understanding there si that subiquity is mostly the UI, curtin does the configuration stuff.
[18:07] <daemon> Sep 02 16:23:54 ubuntu-server curtin_log.1730[2087]: Running command ['sh', '-c$
[18:07] <daemon> Sep 02 16:24:30 ubuntu-server curtin_event.1730[2420]: finish: cmd-install/stag$
[18:08] <daemon> no thats not 2 minutes
[18:08] <daemon> hmm
[18:08] <tomreyn> daemon: oh that's a misunderstanding
[18:08] <daemon> ./installer-journal.txt:Sep 02 16:23:52 ubuntu-server systemd[1]: dev-disk-by\x2duuid-00c629d6\x2d06ab\x2d4dfd\x2db21e\x2dc3186f34105d.device: Job dev-disk-by\x2duuid-00c629d6\x2d06ab\x2d4dfd\x2db21e\x2dc3186f34105d.device/start failed with result 'timeout'.
[18:08] <daemon> would it be that?
[18:08] <tomreyn> i'm trying to help you identify the installers' log files, to see whether something was incorrectly configured regarding networking
[18:08] <daemon> ah
[18:09] <tomreyn> daemon: the installed system boots to /var/log/syslog indeed
[18:10] <daemon> what I should do is boot it and record the exact time
[18:10] <daemon> I know it freezes two minutes
[18:10] <daemon> then I can grep the timestamp
[18:10] <tomreyn> you can also try tab completion for all of: systemctl status network
[18:10] <tomreyn> so hit double tab after typing 'network'
[18:11] <tomreyn> one of those should report an error, and if it does, it should explain how to get more logs
[18:11] <daemon> 19:11:07
[18:11] <daemon> ok lets try both :)
[18:11] <daemon> love a good mystery
[18:11] <tomreyn> you can also correclate to "dmesg -T" output
[18:12] <daemon> https://1drv.ms/u/s!AkvwG6Qrk79x3EBwIhboTO6Iejoc
[18:12] <daemon> the intersting bit is
[18:12] <daemon> looking atthe messages above it
[18:12] <daemon> it reached everything it needed to
[18:14] <tomreyn> actually on your video it says how to get more information on the failed systemd target
[18:15] <tomreyn> systemctl status systemd-networkd-wait-online.service
[18:15] <daemon> See 'systemctl status systemd-networkd-wait-online.service' for details.
[18:15] <daemon>          Starting Initial cloud-init job (metadata service crawler)...
[18:15] <daemon> yep lets take a peek
[18:15] <daemon> oddly that is the EXACT service I just found a 2 minute wait in
[18:15] <daemon> looking for datasources
[18:16] <tomreyn> "systemd-analyze blame" and "systemd analyze critical-chain" would probably confirm this, too.
[18:16] <tomreyn> i'm not sure how much you're into systemd
[18:17] <daemon> never used it before
[18:17] <daemon> I have quite a few production systems but there all: FreeBSD, Slackware, Gentoo or Windows-Server
[18:17] <tomreyn> it inits services in paralellel, wherever possible
[18:17] <daemon> well skip thatthe gentoo are more for fun
[18:19] <tomreyn> also i'd do a "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" to be sure you got the latest updates installed. maybe that'll help fix the issue.
[18:19] <daemon> https://paste.ee/p/42kGD
[18:21] <tomreyn> so the root cause seems to be "systemd-networkd-wait-online[688]: Event loop failed: Connection timed out" - whatever that means
[18:21] <daemon> updating did not help either issue
[18:21] <daemon> seems so odd
[18:22] <tomreyn> there are plenty of related bug reports, if you do a web search for it (omitting the pid in squre brackets, obviously)
[18:22] <daemon> yeah
[18:22] <daemon> its doing something itsexpecting a response to
[18:22] <daemon> but its not getting
[18:22] <daemon> perhaps some broadcast announce
[18:22] <tomreyn> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=869995 this would match what you suggested might be the issue
[18:23] <daemon> I should drop a rta-dvd daemon on thatvirtual network
[18:23] <daemon> see if giving it ipv6 does anything
[18:25] <daemon> can I disable this cloud thing
[18:25] <daemon> cloud-init
[18:26] <daemon> meh anyhow :) its sunday so time to actually commit the work I was meant to commit last monday
[18:26] <daemon> thanks for the help guys!
[18:27] <tomreyn> the above bug should already be fixed in the ubuntu 18.04.1 systemd version, so it'ds going to be something else.
[18:27] <tomreyn> welcome, daemon
[21:28] <uplime> hello all! I just installed ubuntu-18.04 server as a vm on my laptop, with 2 network interfaces defined: a bridged interface and a host only adapter. i can talk to the vm over the host-only interface just fine, but the primary bridged interface, which is setup to use DHCP, doesn't want to pass any traffic. Any way to fix that?


[13:23] <cmaloney> Good AM
[13:23] <mrgoodcat> hello
[13:23] <mrgoodcat> meijer prepackaged produce recall
[13:23] <mrgoodcat> https://articles.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2017/10/listeria_concern_prompts_recal.amp
[13:28] <_stink_> never eat vegetables is the moral
[13:31] <mrgoodcat> conspiracy by Big Business to poison vegetarians (known liberal leaning voters)
[13:53] <cmaloney> mrgoodcat: Yeah, that's no fun
[13:53] <cmaloney> WE buy all of our produce from Meijer, but tend not to get the foam-tray produce.
[13:55] <jrwren> asme.
[13:55] <rick_h> yea, lesson here is get the fresh stuff and not the stuff packaged to stay longer
[13:56] <jrwren> well, mostly same, but not this time of year. This time of year it comes from CSA
[13:56] <cmaloney> Buy frozen
[13:56] <cmaloney> it's better for you in the long run and stays fresher onger
[13:56] <cmaloney> longer
[13:57] <jrwren> depends on the veg.
[13:57] <jrwren> forzen arugula sounds gross.
[13:57] <rick_h> ugh frozen
[13:58] <rick_h> I don't need my veges soggy
[13:58] <_stink_> glad we all agree :P
[13:58] <rick_h> :)
[13:58] <rick_h> vege-off!
[14:01] <cmaloney> They're not soggy if you steam them properly. :)
[14:02] <jrwren> i love me some frozen peas or frozen peas and carrots or frozen lima beans.  mmm... nom nom nom. maybe I'll stop and get some while I'm at this afternoon.
[14:04] <cmaloney> heh
[14:07] <jrwren> I meant while I'm out. I'm apparently not awake.
[14:12] <cmaloney> heh


[00:23] <gomike> that did it, would be nice to have a way to force a guide update, weird
[09:34] <Foople> can anyone recommend a good USB analog tuner for mythbuntu, one that hopefully exists on amazon?
[09:36] <Foople> from an hour of searching and reading guides, it seems there are some gotchas.  Some don't work in Linux, some do work but there's some kind of sound issue requiring some kind of strange loopback, and some do/don't have built in mpeg2 compression which is possibly needed or maybe not.
[14:03] <jphillip> Foople analog tuners are a dying breed currently, most of the hauppauge dual band ones should work in 8.10 but not OOB in 8.04
[14:34] <Shadow__X> :)
[15:36] <Shadow__X> hey anyone here
[15:39] <jphillip> !ask | Shadow__X
[15:39] <Zinn> Shadow__X: Please don't ask if anyone is around or if it is alright to ask a question.  Many people check back periodically and may answer your question when they see it.  IRC is not normally an instant fix so check back often for an answer.
[15:39] <Shadow__X> eh i know
[15:39] <Shadow__X> lol
[15:39] <Shadow__X> alright fine ill just ask then
[15:39] <Shadow__X> do it your way
[15:41] <Shadow__X> i wanna do for x in /mnt/drive/delete\ this/somefile*.file; do rm $x; done
[15:41] <Shadow__X> but i believe the space is throwing rm off
[15:41] <Shadow__X> because the erros i get pertain to what it invokes the space
[16:57] <mykool> I would like to use my dell latitude C600 to watch videos on my television using the svid. how do I do this?
[18:33] <tgm4883_laptop> !digg it
[18:33] <Zinn> Have you dugg it?  http://digg.com/linux_unix/Mythbuntu_8_10_Beta_has_arrived
[18:57] <jphillip> dugg it
[21:26] <mishehu> hi folks.  I just installed 8.04.1 on a machine, master backend & frontend, uses fglrx drivers, and I ran synaptic after the installation.  currently fglrxinfo reports all well with the drivers, and mythtv has eben working fine except...  when I hit esc to exit from a playing dvd, I get a segmentation fault.
[21:29] <mishehu> any assistance would be appreciated.  thanks in advance.
[21:43] <superm1> if its only crashing in mythdvd, i say go ahead an use a different dvd player
[21:43] <superm1> like xine
[22:50] <mishehu> superm1: well, that would only bandage the problem. I'd like to know if the problem is specific to my machine or if others have encountered it.
[22:50] <superm1> mishehu, yes it would only bandage the problem but you are limited in debugging when using closed source drivers unfortunately
[22:50] <superm1> your only debug option will be to try a newer version of the driver
[22:50] <mishehu> I've not yet configured my remote (and have no idea if it will work, I've never gotten the damn ati remote wonder to work...)
[22:50] <superm1> from amd's website
[22:51] <mishehu> superm1: I'm taking a guess that mythtv on mythbuntu is stripped?
[22:51] <superm1> mishehu, well you can install debug symbols for mythtv easily
[22:51] <superm1> mishehu, but when you start seeing calls for fglrx functions, you're limited
[22:52] <superm1> mishehu, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[22:52] <superm1> that's how you can add debug symbols if you would like to use them
[22:52] <mishehu> superm1: well if I could get a coredump it *might* give a hint as to whether it's a crappy fglrx issue or if it's a mythdvd issue
[22:52] <mishehu> let me take a look at that page
[22:53] <superm1> mishehu, the apport service will be able to grab crash dumps for you too automatically using these symbols
[22:53] <mishehu> what's the apport service?
[22:53] <superm1> its turned off by default in "stable" releases though, so you have to  turn it on by modifying /etc/default/apport
[22:53] <superm1> and then running it's init script or rebooting
[22:53] <superm1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport
[22:53] <mishehu> is that an ubuntu tool?  I usually use slackware/slamd64, so I'm not familiar with it.
[22:53] <mishehu> yeah thougoht so ;-)
[22:54] <superm1> it's a very neat tool though
[22:54] <superm1> grabs all relevant data and puts it into a single report
[22:54] <superm1> then there are a few other tools (described on that page) for how to unpack and run retraces
[22:56] <mishehu> hmm
[22:57] <mishehu> does fglrx list in synaptic?  I didn't see it last time I ran a search for packages
[22:57] <mishehu> it's the one thing I've hated about ati cards for the past years - fglrx is teh suck.
[22:58] <mishehu> you can't even do fglrx --version to get the version.  have to muck around dmesg.  blah.
[22:58] <mishehu> yeah, I think I'll try the most recent and see how that goes.
[22:59] <mishehu> then try the apport stuff
[23:00] <superm1> fglrx is listed in synaptic yes
[23:00] <superm1> but the version on the website is much later
[23:01] <mishehu> yeah, the machine currently has 8.47.3 from feb 2008.
[23:01] <mishehu> 8-9 is out (I don't get their versioning scheme)
[23:02] <superm1> 8-9 is equal to about 8.52


[09:37] <Zanthus> Hi, I've installed Ubuntu Core 16 on a Raspberry Pi 3 and I want to change the network settings.  Is it possible to re-run the set up program that runs on first use?
[09:52] <Zanthus> Found it:  console-conf