[12:56] <orangerange> sphincter, i see. I know that geocities has free service but they put ads on their site. I want a very clean and simple look for a website. any suggestions?
[12:58] <funkyHat> orangerange, www.memebot.com
[12:58] <derelictfrog> ne one help mount raid0?
[12:58] <orangerange> funkyHat, thanks. will look into it now. 8-)
[12:58] <bimberi> orangerange: I use http://www.freezope.org - using them would require a small journey up the zope learning curve
[12:59] <bimberi> ... but a rewarding journey :)
[01:00] <orangerange> bimberi, thank you! I just need maybe 2 or 3 pages for a website containing hyperlinks to websites and my comments about these websites. And, also, I'd like to be able to receive feedback from the people who view this simple website.
[01:01] <bimberi> orangerange: well zope is an ideal way to do it. You can edit your page(s) by simply adding /manage to their URLs (and authenticating)
[01:01] <orangerange> funkyHat, i'm signing up with memebot.com now. Looks nice!
[01:01] <orangerange> bimberi, when you mentioned learning curve, i got scared. I didn't want to delve into html or any coding.
[01:01] <epiloc> YES!
[01:02] <queuetue> Is there a crystal-reports-like tool that works for postgres and mysql under linux?
[01:02] <ColonelKernel> how can I benchmark my system?
[01:02] <orangerange> funkyHat, with memebot around, why would anyone choose geocities or one of those websites-services? 8-)
[01:02] <queuetue> ColonelKernel, benchmark what about it?
[01:03] <derelictfrog> benchamrk wat video or ram or cpu?
[01:03] <ColonelKernel> queuetue, its "power"
[01:03] <funkyHat> orangerange, because no-one has heard of it, and hopefully they won't, i don't want them to stop their service or start charging ;)
[01:03] <bimberi> orangerange: fair enough - and I'm having a look at membot now myself :)
[01:03] <ColonelKernel> so far my custom kernel runs pretty nicely
[01:03] <queuetue> ColonelKernel, Get a meter from home depot?
[01:03] <derelictfrog> lol
[01:04] <anacron> how can i reboot my bitblee service? and how to configure no-ip tool? anyone
[01:04] <ColonelKernel> wow - how incredibly helpful queuetue
[01:04] <cmihai> What's this "Ubuntu has support for LDFLAGS" and Debian does not supposed to mean?
[01:04] <queuetue> ColonelKernel, If you want to tell us what you want to benchmark, then I'll get more useful. :)
[01:05] <ColonelKernel> raw computing power I guess.
[01:05] <queuetue> ColonelKernel, There is no such thing, but if you isist, then grep for "bogomips" in dmesg.
[01:06] <queuetue> Your "bogomips" value is all you need to compare "raw computing power."
[01:06] <marcus__> yo trying to download mplayer but having some problems
[01:06] <marcus__> what does this mean? Package autoconf is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[01:06] <marcus__> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[01:06] <marcus__> is only available from another source
[01:06] <marcus__> E: Package autoconf has no installation candidate
[01:07] <ColonelKernel> yeah, im talking about some kinda heavynumber crunching app
[01:07] <ColonelKernel> I think ill install cedega and see is sisoft sandra works on it
[01:07] <orangerange> funkyHat,  Then I must say thanks, for sharing this valuable secret with me. TY TY TY 8-) 8-) 8-)
[01:07] <flipy> how can I force to uninstall a package without all the ncurses stuff?
[01:07] <ColonelKernel> I dont think it will
[01:07] <funkyHat> orangerange, are you using the oddmuse wiki?
[01:08] <queuetue> ColonelKernel, Why do I have ther feeling you're looking to stick racing stripes, ground light kit and a 'nitrous tank' on your computer?
[01:08] <orangerange> funkyHat, what's that? a memebot service? If so, i'm still registering! I'm slow, because I have the typing break applet running; it forces me off the PC every so often.
[01:09] <funkyHat> orangerange, yes it's a wiki that memebot will automate the installation of for you
[01:10] <orangerange> funkyHat, it will install something on my computer?
[01:10] <funkyHat> no
[01:10] <orangerange> phew.
[01:11] <orangerange> funkyHat, i can't believe they require our phone number! is this for real?
[01:11] <ColonelKernel> if I have a source dir for cedega, how can I make a deb package out of it?
[01:12] <lkn> hello :)
[01:12] <funkyHat> when you finish registering, your account will just be empty, you can ftp up html files if you want to do that. but memebot also has some built in features that you can set up quite easily from the administration page (blog, wiki)
[01:12] <funkyHat> orangerange, i didn't remember that, just put a fake one in if you're worried. they don't phone you anyway
[01:12] <LasseL> is there a good way I can measure the graphics performance of my system? That way I can see if it pays off to upgrade to the naitive ati driver (for my 8500LE) or not
[01:12] <funkyHat> is it a required field?
[01:12] <orangerange> funkyHat, gotcha. is there some WYSIWYG html/webpage editor for ubuntu? something like MS FrontPage, I guess?
[01:13] <orangerange> a webpage editor that does'nt have to be too complicated. just a simple one.
[01:13] <bojangles> orangerange, absolutely...there is kile and latex2html
[01:13] <bojangles> bojangles, and the patents have long since expired
[01:14] <bojangles> bojangles, it just takes a long time to learn how to use it...it is not user friendly
[01:14] <ateves> hi! is there any possibilty to save the current config and made changes of the ubuntu live CD
[01:14] <orangerange> bojangles, thank YOU for your suggestions. um, which is better? what's the diff, basically? what's good for newbies? what's simple enough for a simple 2 or 3 page- website?
[01:14] <Shufla> ateves: afair not. there's exp Knoppix with such possibility.
[01:15] <funkyHat> orangerange, there is a wysiwyg html editor in development (it's not in the ubuntu repos yet) but i can't remember the name of it
[01:15] <bojangles> orangerange, kile is the fastest way to get a website up and running
[01:15] <bojangles> orangerange, and you can post your blogs or whatever
[01:15] <orangerange> using commandline, how can i get the full length description of packages in repositiory?
[01:15] <bojangles> orangerange, aptitude
[01:15] <funkyHat> apt-cache showpkg
[01:16] <bimberi> orangerange: I've heard good things about (but not personally used) "bluefish"
[01:16] <orangerange> aptitude or apt-cache showpkg?
[01:16] <orangerange> bimberi, is bluefish a  website or an editor?
[01:16] <bimberi> orangerange: editor
[01:17] <highvoltage> hi. what do i change in my cups.conf file to enable admin on the web interface?
[01:17] <funkyHat> orangerange, sorry, showpkg doesn't do that
[01:17] <whitewindow> is there a torrent for  Breezy ? cdimage.ubuntulinux.org is down ? can i use Breezy ?
[01:18] <funkyHat> orangerange, apt-cache show
[01:18] <derelictfrog> doesnt it say something about breezy not working correctly up the top?
[01:19] <c0mpub0mb> OMFG, no mplayer ?......
[01:19] <c0mpub0mb> grrrrrrrrrrrr
[01:19] <J_P> hi all
[01:20] <c0mpub0mb> how could ubuntu not include mplayer ?
[01:20] <funkyHat> c0mpub0mb, you can get it through synaptic
[01:20] <c0mpub0mb> mplayer is the holly grail of all media players
[01:20] <orangerange> c0mpub0mb, i don't find mplayer very fun to use.
[01:20] <c0mpub0mb> uh..
[01:20] <c0mpub0mb> apt-cache search mplayer shows nothing
[01:20] <c0mpub0mb> does synaptic use a different source ?..
[01:21] <funkyHat> no
[01:21] <c0mpub0mb> no mplayer
[01:21] <c0mpub0mb> grr
[01:21] <orangerange> is gtk2 the same as gnome?
[01:22] <c0mpub0mb> why can't totem play xvid
[01:22] <abhayks> orangerange: no
[01:22] <anacron> c0mpub0mb: you need codecs
[01:22] <funkyHat> c0mpub0mb, enable the other repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:23] <orangerange> how can i move around the "tabs" of application windows on my panel? For example, move Xchat "tab" from the right to the left?
[01:23] <funkyHat> although i thought mplayer was in base
[01:23] <abhayks> can we have tab in eterm ?
[01:23] <Virtuall> ...maybe i'm too stupid, bu t don't get it how to use rosetta. it says  Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page. ??? :(
[01:23] <orangerange> bojangles, your thoughts on latex2html, please?
[01:23] <funkyHat> c0mpub0mb, the package for mplayer is called mplayer-386 or mplayer-586
[01:24] <c0mpub0mb> k
[01:24] <c0mpub0mb> done
[01:24] <c0mpub0mb> i see universe
[01:24] <c0mpub0mb> :p
[01:24] <c0mpub0mb> still no mplayer
[01:24] <orangerange> bojangles,um, are you sure latex2html is a webpage editor? i read the info on it. it looks like a conversion tool.
[01:24] <bimberi> !info mplayer-586
[01:24] <ubotu> mplayer-586: (The Ultimate Movie Player For Linux), section multiverse/graphics, is extra. Version: 1:1.0-pre6-0.3ubuntu6 (hoary), Packaged size: 3486 kB, Installed size: 7508 kB
[01:24] <bojangles> orangerange, well it has been useful for many years and there are many websites up today that have made wise useof it.
[01:24] <funkyHat> heh, multiverse...
[01:25] <bimberi> c0mpub0mb: it's in multiverse
[01:25] <orangerange> okay, so i think I'll try kile or bluefish. Does anybody else have any suggestion for a webpage maker geared for newbies? A program that is simple and easy to use? for 2 or 3 pages only?
[01:26] <Ali`G> hi all
[01:26] <Ali`G> :)
[01:26] <bojangles> orangerange, well lyx-qt is based on the GPL qt stuff also...but i have not found a converter from lyx to html
[01:26] <Ali`G> does anyone know if the new cedega has fixed the Counter-Strike Source?
[01:26] <orangerange> bojangles, lyx? do you mean latex?
[01:27] <bojangles> bojangles, well lyx seems to make its own unique kind of mixed format
[01:27] <orangerange> bojangles, speaking of latex, i've never heard of it. When i think of webpage creation, i think of html files. am i wrong to think this?
[01:27] <bojangles> bojangles, so i have not found a converter from lyx to html
[01:27] <orangerange> bojangles, why are you writing to yourself ? 8-)
[01:27] <bimberi> lol
[01:27] <bojangles> bojangles, but lyx-qt is very easy to use for a lot of things and is GPL
[01:28] <orangerange> is bojangles trying to convince himself? 8-)
[01:28] <bojangles> orangerange, no...most webpages are still html
[01:28] <orangerange> just joking
[01:28] <bojangles> orangerange, although a few have gone to xml with their own sylesheets.
[01:28] <orangerange> so i don't have to bother with lyx or latex for now, right? They are advanced stuff, yes?
[01:29] <bojangles> orangerange, no they are the patent unencumbered stuff so no one sues your butt off
[01:29] <c0mpub0mb> where are the fonts located in ubuntu for mplayer ?..
[01:29] <bojangles> orangerange, nobody said they were the easiest
[01:29] <orangerange> are lyx and latex related? is html patented, you're saying?
[01:30] <bojangles> orangerange, no...kile and latex are related
[01:30] <J_P> ubuntu have security team as in debian where some time need apt-get update; apt-get -f dist-upgrade for correct bugs ?
[01:31] <bojangles> orangerange, lyx has kind of a strange format and you would have to find a lyx2html converter....but lyx-qt is GPL and very easy to use to write all your reports and stuff
[01:31] <orangerange> bojangles, i just need a simple webpage WYSIWYG editor for newbies. I'll be making static pages.  Huh
[01:33] <orangerange> what is the command to do a search in repository using keywords?
[01:33] <orangerange> for example: i want to search repository for webpage editor. (Oh, what are the appropriate search terms?)
[01:34] <topyli> orangerange: it's wise to export latex from lyx anyway in addition to saving lyx files
[01:34] <djp> hey guys... why everytime i try and use ftp from the command line does it sometimes hang with the prompt flashing when i try and change a directory, list etc? like it is waiting for the server to respond?
[01:34] <ColonelKernel> Instead of using first in the list, suggest to define your LANG environment variable like this: LANG=en_US <---- how do I do this?
[01:34] <TheRoss> hello. when i try to install Disciples II(game) with Wine i get this error: Could not initialize installation. X:\GLC4dd.tmp File not found
[01:34] <djp> i have to keep restarting ftp and then getting one step further normally each time!
[01:34] <bimberi> orangerange: apt-cache search <keyword>
[01:37] <ateves> boobleboo
[01:37] <halgeir> how do I change language in Hoary?
[01:38] <topyli> halgeir: gnome language or system language?
[01:39] <halgeir> both really, but I want to keep my keyboard settings... rest I want to change
[01:39] <topyli> halgeir: in /etc/environment i guess
[01:42] <TheRoss> can somebody help me with this plz:
[01:42] <TheRoss> when i try to install Disciples II(game) with Wine i get this error: Could not initialize installation. X:\GLC4dd.tmp File not found
[01:42] <orangerange> topyli, but i don't need to bother with latex or lyx if i'm just making simple webpages, right?
[01:42] <bojangles> orangerange, if you want to know more about patents go to www.freepatentsonline.com
[01:42] <bojangles> orangerange, you can search for whatever and it does not cost you anything
[01:42] <TheRoss> also thi:
[01:42] <TheRoss> this:
[01:42] <TheRoss> Warning: the specified Windows directory L"C:\\Windows" is not accessible.
[01:42] <TheRoss> Warning: the specified System directory L"C:\\Windows\\System" is not accessible
[01:42] <topyli> orangerange: probably not. use nvu
[01:43] <halgeir> topyli: Do you know the correct settings in /etc/environment for standard EN_UK?
[01:43] <orangerange> topyli, i did apt-cache show nvu: nothing appears.
[01:44] <learn25> hi
[01:44] <orangerange> bojangles, i'm at that site. in one sentence tell me the relevant info about patents and making simple webpages.
[01:44] <learn25> anybody tried postfix to send/receive email?
[01:44] <funkyHat> orangerange, nvu isn't in the ubuntu repositores
[01:44] <bojangles> orangerange, just search for example...type 01/01/74 05/05/2005 html
[01:44] <topyli> orangerange: get it from nvu.com
[01:45] <orangerange> topyli, nvu is a simple webpage maker for newbies, right?
[01:45] <topyli> yes
[01:45] <bojangles> orangerange, there is no excuse for anyone to be ignorant of patents since www.freepatents.com cost them nothing to find out the facts
[01:45] <learn25> How can i configure postfix to send/receive email like<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:45] <topyli> halgeir: i have LANG=en_US.UTF-8. i guess en_UK works similarly
[01:46] <topyli> halgeir: you have to actually have the locale too :)
[01:46] <funkyHat> is nvu gtk+2 or Qt?
[01:46] <topyli> halgeir: dpkg-reconfigure locales might do all this for you actually
[01:46] <topyli> funkyHat: gtk
[01:46] <Fr0Gs> hi all
[01:46] <funkyHat> :)
[01:46] <Fr0Gs> i need help removing my old cedega
[01:46] <orangerange> topyli,  on http://nvu.com/download.html, which format should i download?
[01:47] <learn25> How can i configure postfix to send/receive email like<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:47] <funkyHat> i can't find a .deb of it so i'm going to get the source
[01:47] <Fr0Gs> dean@ubuntu:~/Desktop $ sudo dpkg -i cedega-4.4_1.i386-2_all.deb
[01:47] <Fr0Gs> (Reading database ... 69694 files and directories currently installed.)
[01:47] <Fr0Gs> Unpacking cedega-4.4 (from cedega-4.4_1.i386-2_all.deb) ...
[01:47] <Fr0Gs> dpkg: error processing cedega-4.4_1.i386-2_all.deb (--install):
[01:47] <Fr0Gs>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/cedega/copyright', which is also in package cedega-4.3.2
[01:47] <halgeir> topyli... thanks that seems to work perfectly
[01:47] <Fr0Gs> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[01:47] <Fr0Gs> Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:47] <orangerange> what do i do with sources?
[01:47] <Fr0Gs>  cedega-4.4_1.i386-2_all.deb
[01:47] <Fr0Gs> dean@ubuntu:~/Desktop $
[01:48] <topyli> orangerange: get the bzipped tarball built on linspire
[01:48] <Fr0Gs> how do i get rid of cedega-4.3.2
[01:48] <yuacht> Fr0Gs, apt-get remove cedega*
[01:48] <yuacht> ?
[01:48] <topyli> orangerange: actually, there's a deb in the backports repositories too :)
[01:48] <orangerange> topyli, will it work in ubuntu? how come you chose that and not the one for fedora or madriva?
[01:48] <yuacht> Fr0Gs, apt-get remove --purge cedega*
[01:48] <yuacht> might be a good idea
[01:48] <orangerange> topyli, is that so? is it safe to get nvu from backports repo?
[01:48] <orangerange> topyli, and same version?
[01:48] <topyli> orangerange: tarballs are universal. you're not on fedora or mandriva :)
[01:49] <Fr0Gs> dean@ubuntu:~/Desktop $ sudo apt-get remove --purge cedega*
[01:49] <Fr0Gs> Reading Package Lists... Done
[01:49] <Fr0Gs> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[01:49] <Fr0Gs> Package cedega is not installed, so not removed
[01:49] <Fr0Gs> E: Couldn't find package cedega-4.4_1.i386-2_all.deb
[01:49] <Fr0Gs> dean@ubuntu:~/Desktop $
[01:49] <topyli> orangerange: i have nvu from backports, it works
[01:49] <orangerange> topyli, it's the current version?
[01:49] <Fr0Gs> d/w
[01:49] <Fr0Gs> figured it out thanks
[01:49] <funkyHat> hmm... does nvu depend on moooozilla?
[01:50] <orangerange> topyli, okay, so tarballs are  universal, but all three are tarballs.
[01:50] <topyli> orangerange: backports has a slightly older version
[01:50] <orangerange> topyli, why use an old version, if you can get the newest?
[01:50] <topyli> orangerange: yep, but two of them say "fedora" and "mandrake", and one is "linux"
[01:51] <topyli> orangerange: no reason :)
[01:51] <orangerange> so for me, it's best to get it from nvu.com, right?
[01:51] <topyli> might as well, since you already are at it
[01:51] <orangerange> so i should get tarball, and not "build from source" stuff, correct+
[01:51] <orangerange> ?
[01:52] <topyli> orangerange: yes. building mozilla is not fun
[01:52] <orangerange> topyli, mozilla? how did mozilla come into the picture?
[01:52] <topyli> orangerange: it's a mozilla project like firefox and thunderbird
[01:53] <Karahana> hey ppl i have a problem :)
[01:53] <Karahana> lol
[01:53] <orangerange> topyli, i see. I thought it was a linspire project.
[01:53] <orangerange> if nvu is from mozilla, it must be good
[01:53] <Rockett17> nvu is starting to look pretty sweet
[01:53] <topyli> orangerange: yes, but it's built on mozilla source
[01:53] <orangerange> topyli, "but"? why "but"? is it bad to be built on mozilla source?
[01:54] <orangerange> what magic must i do on the tarball file?
[01:54] <topyli> orangerange: no, i was answering your linspire question
[01:54] <Karahana> ok...so...I can't get ubuntu live to run, it always freezes at CDrom detection
[01:54] <Karahana> as does knoppix
[01:54] <topyli> orangerange: extract it to /opt and you're ready to go
[01:55] <orangerange> topyli, it's that easy?
[01:55] <topyli> orangerange: you probably want to make a shortcut or a menu entry too
[01:55] <dosabl> buenas
[01:55] <orangerange> topyli, so why look for a deb when it's this easy with tarballs?
[01:55] <orangerange> are there any disadvantages of using tarballs, as opposed to deb files?
[01:55] <topyli> orangerange: i like to have stuff in the dpkg database that's all
[01:55] <orangerange> topyli, /opt? or usr/opt?
[01:56] <topyli> orangerange: /opt
[01:56] <orangerange> gotcha.
[01:56] <topyli> orangerange: actually, you can put it anywhere but /opt is standard
[01:56] <bimberi> orangerange: it's outside the package management system - no automatic security updates for example
[01:56] <Karahana> :(
[01:56] <orangerange> so nvu was made by linspire people, correct? nvu is not made by mozilla people, correct?
[01:56] <topyli> yes
[01:57] <orangerange> i don't have a high view of linspire. 8-)
[01:57] <topyli> orangerange: they just took the mozilla composer code and started hacking
[01:57] <topyli> orangerange: me neither :)
[01:57] <orangerange> but if nvu is good, my views can change.
[01:57] <selinium> hi all, After my motherboard at home died i have installed the HD as a slave on this ubuntu machine. How do I 'see' it to get the data off?
[01:57] <topyli> orangerange: nvu is a lot better than the old mozilla composer
[01:58] <orangerange> i don't have the right to extract into /opt. what magic must i perform?
[01:58] <topyli> orangerange: sudo
[01:58] <bojangles> orangerange, were you able to answer your own question and do you see why Europe said "Fuck the patent system"
[01:59] <orangerange> bojangles, not yet. your info is news to me. never heard of html and patent being used in the same sentence together before.
[01:59] <orangerange> topyli, sudo what?
[01:59] <topyli> orangerange: open a terminal. do "cd /opt". then do sudo tar xjvf <drag the tarball into the terminal window>. press enter
[01:59] <orangerange> i tried to extract using GUI fileroller
[02:00] <bojangles> orangerange, have you bothered to enter the data example i gave you and push the search button
[02:00] <orangerange> topyli, wow, i didn't know you could drag stuff into a terminal window. neat!
[02:00] <halgeir> is there a tool for installing/configuring you soundcard? (redhat had something called sndconfig)
[02:00] <topyli> orangerange: it's very cool
[02:00] <bojangles> orangerange, there is no excuse for anyone to be ignorant of patents since the information is given free to everyone online
[02:00] <orangerange> bojangles, no. i entered html only. will do so after i get a breather.
[02:00] <Karahana> ppl I hate to repeat myself.... :D help me....ne1...pls :D
[02:00] <Karahana> lol
[02:01] <orangerange> bojangles, are you a webpage designer by profession?
[02:01] <orangerange> Karahana, i like your cheerful attitude!
[02:01] <Karahana> lol
[02:01] <Karahana> tnx
[02:01] <topyli> Karahana: i guess nobody knows that's all
[02:02] <orangerange> topyli, i should type in "sudo tar xjvf " and then drag the file?
[02:02] <topyli> orangerange: yes
[02:02] <orangerange> topyli, what does xjvf stand for?
[02:02] <orangerange> if the answer is long, don't botheranswering. just curious.
[02:02] <digitalfox|sleep> extract, (bzip2?) verify, file
[02:02] <topyli> orangerange: once you have cd'd to /opt
[02:03] <digitalfox|sleep> I don't know why j means bzip2
[02:03] <flipy> digitalfox|sleep: v is for verbose right?
[02:03] <PlanarPlatypus> does anyone here know how to get an apple keyboard to produce a hash symbol with <alt>+3 under ubuntu likes it does on a mac?
[02:03] <topyli> orangerange: x=extract j=use bzip2 v=list what you're doing f=here comes the filename
[02:03] <digitalfox|sleep> I thought it was verify archive integrity
[02:03] <digitalfox|sleep> oh
[02:03] <Karahana> heh.....
[02:03] <digitalfox|sleep> huh, I must be thinking RPM
[02:03] <digitalfox|sleep> I just know I've always done it
[02:04] <digitalfox|sleep> and assumed that's what it was XD
[02:04] <topyli> Digis: v is a standard "verbose" switch
[02:04] <orangerange> topyli, ok done. now i must make a shortcut icon  inside my menu. should i use menu-editor for this?
[02:04] <chaps0063> Today it took gnome forever to boot up.  It say at a blank window with just mouse after I entered my username/password were entered...any thoughts?
[02:04] <orangerange> And where is the icon file for this program?
[02:05] <topyli> orangerange: use the menu editor, yes. the nvu executable should now be in the new nvu directory. you may find an icon there too
[02:06] <orangerange> topyli, what category did you place nvu in? office? internet? accessories?
[02:07] <topyli> orangerange: i put it in internet. i'm not sure if it belongs there but there it is now :)
[02:07] <topyli> orangerange:  correction: the package put the icon there
[02:07] <orangerange> topyli, oh right. you got nvu from backports.
[02:08] <halgeir> I have no sound from my SB soundcard. Anybody know where to start?
[02:09] <nalioth> halgeir: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[02:10] <petros_> do anyone know how to configure firefox so that it uses the fancy gtk download manager???
[02:11] <bojangles> petros_, nobody uses firefox...it is just a shell for the gecko rendering engine
[02:11] <chaps0063> has anyone experience a slow boot up after entering username/password?
[02:11] <Virtuall> what do you mean nobody uses... I do
[02:11] <selinium> can anyone help me add a harddrive to my setup?
[02:12] <anacron> setup?
[02:12] <nalioth> selinium: ask a specific question
[02:12] <wrtpeeps> hi
[02:12] <wrtpeeps> when i went to install a package, it told me i didn't have X installed
[02:12] <wrtpeeps> i asked a friend and he told me i am probably missing some libraries
[02:12] <selinium>  After my motherboard at home died i have installed the HD as a slave on this ubuntu machine. How do I 'see' it to get the data off?
[02:12] <wrtpeeps> do you guys have any idea what libraries they could be..
[02:12] <nalioth> wrtpeeps: what package?
[02:13] <wrtpeeps> conky
[02:13] <wrtpeeps> http://conky.rty.ca/
[02:13] <nalioths_dog> selinium: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab to make your windows and mac partitions mount automatically
[02:13] <nalioth> wrtpeeps: are you compiling by hand?
[02:14] <aka> can someone help me to find french channel ?
[02:14] <dosabl> hello sorry for my english. I need help.
[02:14] <dosabl> My ubuntu takes but not at all graphical nonload well, and after proving of everything, I want to know as to return to install the system. Thanks
[02:14] <Sheng> ok
[02:14] <nalioth> aka: #ubuntu-fr
[02:14] <wrtpeeps> yea
[02:14] <Sheng> HAHAHAHAHAH
[02:14] <aka> thanks
[02:14] <wrtpeeps> i am compiling using gcc i think
[02:15] <Sheng> let's have fun!
[02:15] <Sheng> :D
[02:15] <wrtpeeps> this error comes up during ./configure
[02:15] <nalioth> wrtpeeps: then install xlibs-dev
[02:15] <Sheng> ubuntu works on dell wifi?
[02:15] <wrtpeeps> ok, thanks
[02:15] <selinium> nalioths_dog: It is an Ubuntu HardDrive, I just need to be able to mount the drive. Or it might already be available. I just cant find it
[02:15] <nalioth> selinium: do a  "sudo fdisk -l" and see
[02:16] <Sheng> what is sudo?
[02:16] <selinium> nalioth: it shows the drive, but how do i navigate to it?
[02:16] <Sheng> how come you can't isntall linux on a sata drive?
[02:16] <nalioths_dog> Sheng: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[02:16] <nalioth> selinium: you mount it
[02:16] <orangerange> bojangles,  i searched 01/01/74 05/05/2005 html. no results. maybe you can give me a patent number or 2.
[02:16] <nalioth> Sheng: you can
[02:17] <nalioth> selinium: create a folder in your /media folder
[02:17] <Sheng> it could not recognize it
[02:17] <bojangles> orangerange, no...i dont' want to brainwash you...i am satisfied you now know how to use the free information available to you to understand things the best you can.
[02:18] <chaps0063> !info slow
[02:19] <makinen> how can i upgrade to 64bit ubuntu? I'm currently running 32bit ubuntu.
[02:20] <selinium> nalioth: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/670  ok i now have a folder /media/slave
[02:20] <Hackmo> can anyone tell me why gaim just decides to close itself?
[02:20] <visor> anyone knows when will be released a new version of rhythmbox?
[02:20] <visor> like 0.9 i mean
[02:20] <axis^zzz> Hackmo,  easy .. it doesn't like you
[02:21] <axis^zzz> Hackmo,  :P
[02:21] <Hackmo> axis^zzz: if only the reason was as simple as that :P
[02:21] <selinium> makinen: Apparently 64bit core works fine, but there are problems with running alot of the applications on it.
[02:21] <orangerange> any kiax users here?
[02:21] <axis^zzz> hackmo :P
[02:22] <makinen> selinium: I know that i have to play with chroot but I still want to test it out
[02:23] <chaps0063> Has anyone experienced a slow boot into gnome after entering their username and password?
[02:24] <wrtpeeps> how do i fix this error:
[02:24] <wrtpeeps> linux.c:16:25: proc/procps.h: No such file or directory
[02:24] <wrtpeeps> linux.c:17:27: proc/readproc.h: No such file or directory
[02:24] <wrtpeeps> make: *** [linux.o]  Error 1
[02:24] <nalioth> selinium: then issue "mount -t ext3 /dev/hdX /media/slave   the hdX is the partition number you saw in the fdisk output
[02:24] <topyli> chaps0063: i don't think i've ever experienced a quick gnome startup :)
[02:25] <wrtpeeps> anyone?
[02:25] <orangerange> a general question about softphones: after hitting the dial button, you usually can't input any more numbers, right (for the purpose of, say, cheking your voicemail, or etc)?
[02:25] <TheRoss> how can i solve this problem with wine:
[02:25] <chaps0063> topyli: this is different than normal though...
[02:25] <TheRoss> Warning: the specified Windows directory L"C:\\Windows" is not accessible.
[02:25] <TheRoss> Warning: the specified System directory L"C:\\Windows\\System" is not accessible
[02:25] <nalioth> wrtpeeps: google is your friend (it's where i'm at right now)
[02:25] <chaps0063> topyli: like you can tell its not right.
[02:25] <TheRoss> write access is possible
[02:26] <TheRoss> nobody?
[02:26] <selinium> nalioth: the slave is the 30gb drive, it has three references /dev/hdb1 hdb2 hdb5, which one do i use?
[02:26] <nalioth> selinium: which drive do you wawnt the info off off?
[02:27] <nalioth> wrtpeeps: have you installed "procps" pkg?
[02:27] <wrtpeeps> not sure
[02:27] <wrtpeeps> yes
[02:27] <orangerange> bojangles, i don't get your last message. were you sarcastic? you told me about html and patents. It whetted my curiosity. if you could provide a direct link, or a patent number, it'll help.
[02:27] <chaps0063> be right back, I'm going to try and see if anything I did may have fixed the problem.
[02:27] <wrtpeeps> i have
[02:28] <orangerange> anybody here use any brand/type of softphone (software that runs VOIP)?
[02:28] <nalioth> wrtpeeps: then the error is weird, does that site have a list of depnds?
[02:28] <wrtpeeps> no
[02:29] <J_P> hi all
[02:29] <digitalfox|sleep> how do I find what package  a file belongs to?
[02:29] <selinium> nalioth: take a look at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/670  and you can see my fdisk -l. the disk is the 30gb (second) drive. It appears to have all three partitions. It was a Primary Ubuntu drive on my old PC
[02:29] <orangerange> there must be at least a few who use softphones in this chatroom. please say hi.
[02:29] <Will_> softphones?
[02:29] <nalioth> selinium: hdb1 appears to be linux, hdb2 appears to be windows and hdb3 appears to be swap
[02:30] <Will_> Heh. Firefox was using 300MB of ram. I hate it when that happens
[02:30] <J_P>  people, I am think in use ubuntu in workstation for developemnt in python/C/C++ and sarge for server... but my programas runn in server(sarge), and i write and compile in ubuntu using diferents compilers version(python,gcc). exist anyone problem ?
[02:30] <nalioth> Will_: try galeon or kazehakase
[02:30] <Will_> nalioth: But I _like_ firefox. I do. It just.....
[02:30] <selinium> nalioth: If i am going to look at all three, how do I unmount the drive to look at the second?
[02:31] <xliu> "./<script name>" runs a script file in the current directory?, right?
[02:31] <digitalfox|sleep> J_P, probably no problem
[02:31] <nalioth> selinium: if you want the linux, its hdb1
[02:31] <J_P> thanks digitalfox|sleep
[02:31] <nalioth> xliu: correct
[02:32] <xliu> but why can't I run a script file in CD rom? I used "sudo ./setup" command
[02:32] <selinium> nalioth: thanks for your help! got it all!
[02:32] <Will_> Odd. My kazehakase package is broken due to mozilla.
[02:32] <topyli> xliu: it's probably not executable. try "sudo sh ./setup"
[02:32] <nalioth> xliu: do a "sudo -s" then in the same terminal "sh setup"
[02:33] <xliu> nalioth and topyli, thanks
[02:36] <digitalfox|sleep> how do I find what package  a file belongs to?
[02:37] <wrtpeeps> whats the kernel headers package for ubuntu called
[02:37] <trygvebw> morning
[02:37] <trygvebw> in Breezy, what shoud FontPaths be set to? i have it on /usr/share/X11/fonts, but X says it can't find font fixed.
[02:38] <sJaM> afternoon
[02:38] <peregil> Hi. I just installed ubuntu. I have two soundcards, on on my motherboard and an SB Audigy 2. The default install used my motherboard soundcard, but I want to switch. Any ideas how?
[02:38] <TheRoss> can somebody help me with wine?
[02:38] <nalioth> peregil: in the bios, turn off the onboard soundcard
[02:38] <wrtpeeps> nalioth: do you know what the ubuntu kernel headers is called?
[02:38] <peregil> nalioth: and then it will find the other automatically?
[02:39] <nalioth> wrtpeeps: not atm
[02:39] <peregil> Nalioth: Ill try. Thanks...:-)
[02:39] <visor> peregil: i think you need to disable the integrated one in the bios, or, select the other device in programs using audio
[02:39] <peregil> ok
[02:39] <nalioth> peregil: it should use the only availabe sound card
[02:39] <peregil> ok
[02:39] <peregil> thx
[02:40] <Will_> sudo apt-cache search linux-headers-`uname -r` will show you headers for your current kernel..
[02:40] <Chambers`> anyone know if there is a similar app to gtkpod for windows?  I won't want to install iTunes
[02:40] <nalioth> Will_: sudo is not needed for searching apt-cache
[02:40] <nalioth> Chambers`: itunes
[02:41] <bob2> no need to use sudo there, tho
[02:41] <Will_> nalioth: Fair point.  :P
[02:42] <Chambers`> not really
[02:42] <Internat> nah itunes can be pretty gay
[02:42] <visor> well itunes works :)
[02:42] <Will_> Internat: Again. Bad language. You'll end up offending somebody talking like that
[02:42] <Internat> yeah but plenty of programs "work" doesnt mean theya re easy to use etc :D
[02:43] <nalioth> Chambers`: only other option i know is cygwin + gtkpod
[02:43] <Will_> iTunes is easy! Damnit.
[02:43] <Internat> again? when did i say somehtinb before?
[02:43] <Chambers`> just googled, I'll try ephpod
[02:43] <visor> rhythmbox always crashes when loading my music, it has done this for years since it used to fight with net-rhythmbox, and itunes does load the files
[02:43] <Will_> Internat: Again in the #. It irks me at times
[02:43] <Internat> i dont recall every doing anything that could be considered offensive
[02:44] <TheRoss> plz I need some help with this: I get the errors when I want to install Warcraft 3--> Warning: the specified Windows directory L"C:\\Windows" is not accessible.
[02:44] <TheRoss> Warning: the specified System directory L"C:\\Windows\\System" is not accessible.
[02:44] <Internat> i dont really know how what i just said classes as being offenseve either
[02:44] <Chambers`> thanks guys, I appreciate the help.  I just feel like iTunes is too bloated :P
[02:44] <TheRoss> there is no problem with write access
[02:44] <Chambers`> plus it wans to install quicktime!
[02:44] <Will_> Chambers`: Heh. Sorry for not having an answer. I guess I'm a big iTunes user, so I tend to forgive it the little problems
[02:44] <nalioth> Chambers`: nothin wrong with quicktime
[02:45] <G|immer> hello
[02:45] <Chambers`> i prefer using vlc to play quicktime files rather than installing the whole thing
[02:45] <docnova> hey can any one help me with sound dificulties?
[02:45] <anacron> blaah
[02:46] <nalioth> docnova: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[02:46] <docnova> been there
[02:46] <anacron> why is it that, nobody ever read's the topic?
[02:46] <Will_> anacron: ?
[02:46] <docnova> sound works in movies, mp3's and gaim
[02:46] <docnova> but i cant get system sounds
[02:46] <anacron> Will_: "ubuntu help channel, have a question? just ask!"
[02:46] <anacron> and then they ask "can someone help me"
[02:47] <Will_> anacron: Are we allowed to just ask questions?
[02:47] <nalioth> Will_: you just did
[02:47] <anacron> Will_: no, the topic is lying
[02:47] <Will_> anacron: It's a good way of latching on to a specific person, if you're lucky
[02:47] <emacsen> Is there a single command to add a new user with all the default groups like the first one?
[02:47] <anacron> Will_: i know that, but it's more efective to ask straight
[02:47] <G|immer> suppose that i am in usr/share/docs/fakeroot where i mistakenly copied the firefox docs. i wanted to move the firefox folder outside of fakeroot folder. So, I issed this command "rm firefox ../ --recursive". I get "rm: cannot remove directory `../': Directory not empty" and poof.. no more folders in docs! :S
[02:48] <trygvebw> in Breezy, what shoud FontPaths be set to? i have it on /usr/share/X11/fonts, but X says it can't find font fixed.
[02:48] <visor> ohh, audio burning support in breeze, thats neat
[02:48] <visor> serpentine
[02:48] <docnova> so no ideas?
[02:48] <G|immer> how to fix it :'(
[02:48] <peregil> I have just disabled my onboard soundcard, but was not able to get any sound from my SB Audigy2-card. How do I configure a new soundcard?
[02:48] <G|immer> or, actually, why did it go wrong?!
[02:48] <Will_> anacron: When I was in #redhat a zillion years ago, I was scared, afraid. I knew nothing. I needed a single person to take me by the hand. I wanted it. I guess some of these people feel the same
[02:49] <trygvebw> in Breezy, what shoud FontPaths be set to? i have it on /usr/share/X11/fonts, but X says it can't find font fixed.
[02:49] <redguy> G|immer: rm stands for remove *not* move
[02:49] <nalioth> G|immer: how to fix what?
[02:49] <redguy> G|immer: you deleted the docs
[02:49] <topyli> Will_: and how should this single person know if they have any knowledge regarding the questions this newbie might have?
[02:50] <G|immer> oh! yes yes.. my mistake.. wrong command. I don't know what got into me. :S
[02:50] <Will_> topyli: No idea. I'm not saying it is a good idea. Just that I worry sometimes that people are afraid and need to be hand held.
[02:50] <Nermal> *sigh*
[02:50] <docnova> .... this is a waste of time, Ill figure it out myself
[02:50] <peregil> is there a program for installing/searching for new hardware?
[02:50] <Nermal> peregil: most is detected on boot
[02:50] <nalioth> docnova: try back later, there may be sound gurus in then
[02:50] <anacron> Will_: oh really! :D
[02:51] <Nermal> kernel loads modules automagically :)
[02:51] <G|immer> so... does apt-get recognize the missing docs and re-instsall them?
[02:51] <Nermal> what hardware was it ?
[02:51] <Nermal> nalioth: question ?
[02:51] <peregil> Nermal: How do I see if it even has detected my SB-card?
[02:51] <nalioth> Nermal: just ask
[02:51] <Nermal> erm.. lspci should show it
[02:52] <Will_> But ignore me. I'm cranky due to oversleeping and my skin flaring up. (psoriasis)
[02:52] <Nermal> nalioth: what was your question
[02:52] <docnova> well thats why I said "can anyone one help me with a sound issue"
[02:52] <Nermal> peregil: or dmesg
[02:52] <Nermal> you should get a /dev/dsp device
[02:52] <anacron> Will_: no one should be ignored :)
[02:52] <peregil>  Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs: Unknown device 0008
[02:52] <nalioth> Nermal: docnova has a sound card questin
[02:52] <topyli> Will_: well, if someone has a problem i can help with, i will. if someone just "has a problem", i'd rather wait until they tell me what the problem is :)
[02:52] <peregil> fram lspci
[02:53] <peregil> looks like it is missing drivers then,, or?
[02:53] <Will_> topyli: And we all help in different ways.
[02:53] <Nermal> peregil: hmm.. tried updating the pci-ids for lspci ?
[02:53] <anacron> i bet some people's problem could be solved if they would read the topic (including me as well)
[02:54] <Nermal> peregil: sudo update-pciids
[02:54] <Nermal> :)
[02:54] <redguy> G|immer: hmm, you prpably could just sudo apt-get remove firefox && apt-get install firefox
[02:54] <peregil> that was a little less greek...:-)
[02:54] <Nermal> peregil: lspci just reads the pci device id, looks it up in a database and prints out a human readable name for it
[02:55] <redguy> G|immer: this would reinstall firefox and hopefully leave the firefox config
[02:55] <Nermal> the next thing to do would be to look in dmesg for something, check lsmod for snd modules and also cat /proc/interrupts
[02:55] <G|immer> redguy: i have actually removed firefox and installed the 1.06 test package. But I was restoring the links and some settings. So, I removed ALL the docs by mistake now.
[02:55] <peregil> ok. Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB0400 Audigy2 Value
[02:55] <Nermal> :)
[02:55] <Nermal> rightho.. now we know what card it is
[02:55] <Nermal> unfortunately. I have no idea if it's supported or not :)
[02:56] <Nermal> try dmesg |grep -i creative ?
[02:56] <Nermal> and maybe paste the output of lsmod to pastebin.com
[02:56] <peregil> no...
[02:57] <redguy> G|immer: what do you meand by "ALL the docs"? /usr/share/doc?
[02:57] <KoYoda> hello people, i just wanted to ask, is that shipping of ubuntu cd's really free?
[02:57] <bojangles> there is one issue that was raised earlier today....that of the AFPL License......note carefully that AFPL is not GPL by any means.....the AFPL people want to retain ownership of their code...although they do permit redistribution....but this is far different from GPL
[02:57] <Nermal> yes
[02:57] <nalioth> KoYoda: yes is is
[02:58] <G|immer> redguy: yep.. I issued and "rm ../" without even thinking! I wanted to cp. lol
[02:58] <nalioth> KoYoda: order a few and have an "ubuntu install party"
[02:58] <Nermal> KoYoda: they take a while to arrive but it is free
[02:58] <nalioth> G|immer: you have learned a lesson
[02:58] <topyli> peregil: google tells me the audigy card is supported by the emu10k1 driver
[02:58] <Nermal> peregil: lsmod |grep emu ?
[02:58] <spity|s> hi
[02:58] <bojangles> so again make your choices wisely regarding the use of Aladdin's ghostcript-AFPL or ghostscript-ESP or just the old slow GNU version of ghostscript
[02:58] <peregil> Nermal: http://pastebin.com/316188
[02:59] <docnova> Nermal: I can't get the system sounds working.. I get sound with music and video fine. Just not with system sounds. Any recomendations?
[02:59] <G|immer> nalioth: yep. I sure did :( but could i install the missing docs without hunting for each one?
[02:59] <peregil> you are one step ahead of me.... I am new, but lsmod 1grep emu did nothing
[02:59] <nalioth> G|immer: reinstalling firefox should put them back
[02:59] <Nermal> peregil: hmm.. nothing there ...
[02:59] <Nermal> peregil: can you paste the output of cat /proc/interrupts to pastebin also ?
[02:59] <spity|s> where did libXrender.la go in recent xorg packages?
[02:59] <Nermal> I'm thinking it may be an irq issue
[03:00] <G|immer> nalioth: i do not just mean the firefox docs. those are easy. I mean all the other packages docs that i so clumsily removed.
[03:00] <redguy> nalioth: as far as i understand he deleted whole /usr/share/doc
[03:00] <topyli> peregil: might be an oss driver though, and there might be a different one for alsa :)
[03:00] <Nermie> better
[03:00] <G|immer> redgay: yep, i did.
[03:00] <nalioth> G|immer: ah, yes
[03:00] <peregil> pasted to pastebin
[03:00] <Nermie> url ?
[03:01] <nalioth> G|immer: once rm'd it's gone
[03:01] <G|immer> nalioth: am i not a genius? hehehe
[03:01] <redguy> G|immer: that was not very smart
[03:01] <Nermie> were you root or put sudo in front of it ?
[03:01] <peregil> Is there any point in restarting after having updated lspci?
[03:01] <KoYoda> Nermie: how long do i have to wait (aproximately) for international shipping?
[03:01] <nalioth> G|immer: not to worry, once in my (linux) youth, i rm'd the whole /usr/bin
[03:02] <Nermie> peregil: erm.. no
[03:02] <Nermie> peregil: try booting with pci=noacpi
[03:02] <G|immer> redguy: I can blame Windows for my OS IQ. lol
[03:02] <nalioth> peregil: the only time you need to restart is when you upgrade your kernel
[03:02] <Internat> meh.. i once got convinced that to turn off interactive rm u type alias rm="rm -rf /"
[03:02] <Nermie> or get a kernel panic :)
[03:02] <Internat> consiquently to say i lost my system
[03:02] <G|immer> nalioth: *shudders
[03:02] <topyli> peregil: just try sudo modprobe emu10k1
[03:03] <nalioth> Internat: not funny
[03:03] <redguy> G|immer: actually I once removed /usr/share to save some space. But I learnt my lesson.
[03:03] <nalioth> G|immer: you can alias your rm to include a
[03:03] <nalioth> speed bump
[03:03] <peregil> module emu10k1 not found
[03:04] <topyli> peregil: hrm
[03:04] <Nermie> emu10k ?
[03:04] <Nermie> or is it snd-something now
[03:04] <topyli> might be
[03:04] <PlanarPlatypus> Nermie, it is snd_emu10k1 here
[03:04] <G|immer> nalioth: ic. i will check that out. btw, i deleted at least 700 doc folders. lol
[03:04] <Nermie> aye
[03:04] <Nermie> ah*
[03:05] <redguy> G|immer: but I can't really think of an easy way to fix this :(
[03:05] <Nermie> peregil: try sudo modprobe snd_emu10k1
[03:05] <peregil> FATAL: Module snd_umu10k1 not found.
[03:05] <peregil> ehh.. emu...:-)
[03:05] <topyli> peregil: there's a typo
[03:05] <kbrooks> How do I link to a wiki page
[03:05] <peregil> ahh... I think it worked... or no messages
[03:05] <topyli> good
[03:06] <G|immer> redguy: well, i guess I will have to look into Synaptic's doc section.
[03:06] <Antinomy> Greets, folks
[03:06] <peregil> no sound yet... though
[03:06] <G|immer> btw, how can i force an install of Yelp? It is linked to firefox and I removed that, so Synaptic removed Yelp.
[03:06] <nalioth> G|immer: costly mistakes are good teachers, at least your system is still up
[03:06] <topyli> peregil: run alsamixer and see if volume is up
[03:06] <Nermie> peregil: last few lines of dmesg ?
[03:06] <nalioth> G|immer: what is yelp?
[03:07] <Nermie> gnome help reader
[03:07] <Antinomy> is this the only ubuntu channel? Or is there one dedicated to n00bs with annoying questions, like me?
[03:07] <Nermie> !yelp
[03:07] <ubotu> Nermie: I don't know
[03:07] <Nermie> o :|
[03:07] <peregil> IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver
[03:07] <peregil> ACPI: Power Button (FF) [PWRF]
[03:07] <peregil> ibm_acpi: ec object not found
[03:07] <peregil> apm: BIOS version 1.2 Flags 0x03 (Driver version 1.16ac)
[03:07] <peregil> apm: overridden by ACPI.
[03:07] <peregil> eth0: no IPv6 routers present
[03:07] <G|immer> nalioth: lol, I alredy messed up my partitions and GRUB once.
[03:07] <topyli> Antinomy: this is for noobs with annoying questions
[03:07] <G|immer> nalioth: isn't that what Gnome's help system is called?
[03:07] <PlanarPlatypus> peregil, you need to turn on the analogue output emu10k1 only does digital bey default
[03:07] <Antinomy> oh great.
[03:07] <kbrooks> Antinomy: not the only one. but newbies are allowed here
[03:07] <SaumZ> Anyone familiar with this problem? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=50100 AMD 64 distro freezing after logging in.
[03:07] <nalioth> G|immer: i have no clue, but forcing shouldnt be necessary
[03:07] <Antinomy> thanks, I've got a TON of annoying questions.
[03:07] <nalioth> Antinomy: ask your question
[03:08] <PlanarPlatypus> peregil, the setting is at the right hhand end of alsamixer and is labelled "Audigy A"
[03:08] <G|immer> nalioth: from Synaptic: Yelp: Help browser for GNOME 2. But it has FireFox as dependancy
[03:08] <peregil> I am getting the error: "Failed to contruct test pipeline for ALSA LINUX sound architecture
[03:08] <peregil> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[03:08] <Nermie> hum
[03:08] <G|immer> nalioth: withought it, clicking on the Help button anywhere in Gnome, does not work.
[03:09] <Nermie> peregil: ok.. I would boot with pci=noacpi noapic in that case
[03:09] <Antinomy> well, I need to go home first.  I'm at an internet cafe and I am testing Ubuntu on my desktop before I switch it on my laptop. So I will go home and re-connect, and then asks annoying questions.  All of which is probably more than you needed or wanted to know.
[03:09] <topyli> peregil: maybe alsa is not started. try "sudo /etc/init.d/alsa start"
[03:09] <nalioth> G|immer: having ff onboard isnt a liability, (nobody makes you use it)
[03:09] <|rockinnerd|> Antinomy, lol
[03:09] <SaumZ> Anyone familiar with this problem? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=50100 AMD 64 distro freezing after logging in.
[03:09] <Antinomy> Also, this information was probably annoying in and of itself, but it wasn't really a question.
[03:09] <|rockinnerd|> Antinomy, look @ the wiki (wiki.ubuntu.org)
[03:09] <kbrooks> ok
[03:10] <kbrooks> there!
[03:10] <Antinomy> I have to say, rock, the docs I've seen have been far from helpful
[03:10] <G|immer> nalioth: not sure what u meant, but I removed the firefox package so I could install the fireFox 1.06 version without conflicts.
[03:10] <kbrooks> nalioth: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java?action=show
[03:10] <peregil>  * /etc/init.d/alsa: Warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'alsactl: load_state:1267: No soundcards found...'[ ok ]
[03:10] <peregil> that is from trying to start alsa
[03:10] <nalioth> Antinomy: the wiki changes daily in response to annoying n00b questions
[03:10] <Nermie> peregil: please reboot as suggested with kernel parameters
[03:10] <bojangles> G|immer, i have already discussed this....there are certain libraries that are critical
[03:10] <Antinomy> I'm a smart guy, but IMH the docs are aimed at people who are familiar with a lot that is completely greek to me
[03:10] <peregil> Ill try that...
[03:11] <peregil> thanks
[03:11] <Nermie> I bet he doesn't use the kernel parameters
[03:11] <SaumZ> Anyone familiar with this problem? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=50100 AMD 64 distro freezing after logging in.
[03:11] <Antinomy> Ok, understood. I'll look there first, but I reserve the right to annoy you later :)
[03:11] <Nermie> SaumZ: no
[03:11] <topyli> heh
[03:11] <Antinomy> Saumz: yes
[03:11] <Antinomy> happened to me
[03:11] <Antinomy> but, then again, I'm a N00B
[03:12] <Antinomy> can't tell you much except I FEEL YOUR PAIN, my brotha.
[03:12] <SaumZ> all I know is, it is a common theme on the forums
[03:12] <Antinomy> It happened when I tried to run a live CD
[03:12] <SaumZ> ahh..  But, sometimes, you want to have more choice.
[03:16] <|rockinnerd|> axis^zzz, macromedia can keep shockwave
[03:16] <kbrooks> ubotu: !java =~ s/and includes the Firefox plugin./and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added./
[03:16] <ubotu> i didn't have anything called '!java', kbrooks
[03:16] <kbrooks> ubotu: java =~ s/and includes the Firefox plugin./and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added./
[03:16] <ubotu> OK, kbrooks
[03:16] <axis^zzz> |rockinnerd|,   Yes it was cool, when newgrounds was cool
[03:16] <kbrooks> axis^zzz: be nice please
[03:16] <G|immer> The problem is that if i force Yelp to install, Synaptic will get grumpy and complain.
[03:16] <axis^zzz> kbrooks, ??
[03:16] <|rockinnerd|> some op here, we should add the java link to the topic
[03:17] <kbrooks> |rockinnerd|: why?
[03:17] <kbrooks> !java
[03:17] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java and includes the Firefox plugin. NOTE: You have to check your sources.list and ensure multiverse is added.
[03:17] <tritium> |rockinnerd|, there too many FAQ to add the the topic
[03:17] <|rockinnerd|> ah..
[03:17] <Grid_block> hey all! just got my Bluetooth USB dongle but how do i install the drivers? i got a cd with the usb..
[03:17] <ateves> hi! i wanted to install gstreamer-0.8-mad via apt, but it says that some packages cannot be installed, e.g. libmad
[03:17] <Nermie> Grid_block: the windows driver ?
[03:17] <tritium> like RootSudo, RestrictedFormats, BinaryDriverHowto, etc...
[03:18] <Nermie> just plug it in
[03:18] <Nermie> it will load hci_usb
[03:18] <Nermie> and give you a /dev/hci0 device
[03:18] <Nermie> which you can then use hcitools to access
[03:18] <PlanarPlatypus> tritium, if there a wiki page listing all (or trying to) the FAQs?
[03:18] <PlanarPlatypus> *is
[03:18] <Grid_block> nerwie, i think so yes.. it was just supported by windows
[03:18] <Nermie> why are you trying to use a windows driver under linux.. are you using ndiswrapper ?
[03:19] <axis^zzz> Grid_block,: plug it in
[03:19] <tritium> PlanarPlatypus, there is an FAQ page, and a wiki FAQ page, yes.
[03:19] <G|immer> btw, I successfully imported my Outlook2003 mail to Thunderbird, then from there to Evolution. But, where does Thunderbird store the address book?!
[03:19] <Grid_block> axis^zzz, ... i did but no results..
[03:19] <Nermie> peregil: did you use the kernel parameters I said ?
[03:19] <peregil> Hi again. I have restarted with pci=noacpi, but is still getting "ALSA devacie'default' does not exist"
[03:19] <Nermie> Grid_block: dmesg should show it appear as a hci0 device
[03:19] <Nermie> define "no results"
[03:19] <bojangles> G|immer, well what has happened in this case is that someone did not take enough time to dissect all the code and determine the absolute minimum dependencies
[03:20] <axis^zzz> Grid_block, : nothing popped up eh
[03:20] <Nermie> install some bluetooth utils
[03:20] <nalioth> G|immer: try ~/.mozilla/thunderbird or in the neighborhood
[03:20] <axis^zzz> Nermie, is there any  gui software to access BT ?
[03:20] <Nermie> aye
[03:20] <Nermie> gnome-bluetooth :)
[03:20] <axis^zzz> [=
[03:20] <Nermie> !gnome-bluetooth
[03:20] <ubotu> Nermie: I don't know
[03:20] <G|immer> bojangles: ic. I agree with that analysis.
[03:20] <topyli> peregil: you need to load the module again, then perhaps restart alsa
[03:20] <Nermie> bah
[03:20] <Nermie> !gnome-bluetooth-manager
[03:20] <ubotu> Nermie: I give up, what is it?
[03:20] <tritium> PlanarPlatypus, this is a good starting point: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation
[03:20] <nalioth> axis^zzz: azureus, bittornado, lots
[03:20] <axis^zzz> Grid_block: open synaptic and search for  bluetooth
[03:20] <G|immer> nalioth: thunderbird on Windows. and I found the mail folder and expected the address book to be there.
[03:20] <Grid_block> Nermie, nothing is comming up... a friend of mine got one just like it and it worked for him (he is running gentoo)
[03:21] <axis^zzz> nalioth, bluetooth, not torrents :)
[03:21] <nalioth> G|immer: in windows its in docs & settings/yourusername/applicationdata/mozilla/blah
[03:21] <Nermie> Grid_block: what "came up" ?
[03:21] <nalioth> axis^zzz: bt bt bt so many options
[03:21] <axis^zzz> nalioth,  i'll take the bLt
[03:21] <axis^zzz> :)
[03:22] <topyli> axis^zzz: gnome-bluetooth
[03:22] <luis__> hi...can anybody tell me wich is the spanish Ubuntu IRC channel?
[03:22] <nalioth> luis__: #ubuntu-es
[03:22] <axis^zzz> Grid_block,   synaptic gnome-bluetooth
[03:22] <luis__> thanks
[03:22] <peregil> I have used modprobe snd_emu10k1 (no errors), and did try to start alsa: "no soundcard found"
[03:22] <Nermie> axis^zzz: hm.. why isn't ubotu finding it ?
[03:23] <Nermie> peregil: maybe it isn't supported then
[03:23] <Nermie> paste output of cat /proc/interrupts to pastebin ?
[03:23] <peregil> could the alsa driver be pointed to the wrong place?
[03:23] <Nermie> nope
[03:23] <Nermie> dmesg should at least show the driver loading
[03:23] <Will_> Networ?
[03:23] <bojangles> G|immer, or from another point of view ...it could be intentional by the packager.....what if the developers of firefox were related to the developers of gnome and yelp
[03:23] <Grid_block> axis^zzz, thanks man :D
[03:24] <bojangles> G|immer, and maybe they want to promote one of their products alongside the other
[03:24] <G|immer> bojangles: oh!
[03:24] <peregil> http://pastebin.com/316213
[03:24] <axis^zzz> cuz i'm goooin after raillls on a crazzy traiin
[03:25] <axis^zzz> do do do dod od odo do odo dodododod
[03:25] <axis^zzz> ABANDONANDO
[03:25] <peregil> I must say I am very impressed with the support you are giving me, even if it still is not working...:-)
[03:26] <bojangles> G|immer, now i only say this because it is a known fact that SGI is involved with the mozilla effort
[03:26] <Nermie> peregil: tell bob2 that
[03:26] <axis^zzz> Grid_block,  Hope it works out for you . [=
[03:26] <Nermie> hum
[03:26] <bojangles> G|immer, of which firefox is just a branch
[03:26] <Nermie> your soundcard isn't even in the interrupt list :|
[03:26] <Nermie> which is odd
[03:26] <Grid_block> axis^zzz, thanks :) my mobile has found it but i cant do anything with it :S
[03:27] <axis^zzz> Grid_block, : you're on your way at least [=
[03:27] <Grid_block> axis^zzz, yeah and thanks for help :D
[03:27] <axis^zzz> I'm wondering.. does anyone have a leet execution command for mplayer
[03:27] <G|immer> bojangles: but is sich promotional scheme a bad thing in the Linux world?
[03:27] <peregil> strange... why does lspci show it then?
[03:27] <axis^zzz> Grid_block, : anytime .. i'm a noob too, we're all noobs at diff things.. that's what this channels foh
[03:28] <Nermie> because lspci just reads the pci device ids off the pci buss
[03:28] <Nermie> -s
[03:28] <bojangles> G|immer, who am i to judge....is MS any different...they like to promote their browser alongside their gui
[03:28] <axis^zzz> i have mplayer -xv ... that lets me fullscreen, but i can only open 1 video window
[03:28] <G|immer> bojangles: hmmm...
[03:28] <Nermie> axis^zzz: xv only allows one stream at once iirc
[03:28] <Grid_block> axis^zzz, then iam grateful for this IRC channel :
[03:28] <Nermie> you'd have to use -vo x11 or something
[03:28] <Nermie> but that will use more cpu
[03:29] <Nermie> in 8 years of using linux I learnt that yesterday
[03:29] <Nermie> you lucky thing you
[03:29] <peregil> I though this SB card would be the easiest thing to get working under Linux.That is why I bought it...
[03:29] <Nermie> peregil: :|
[03:29] <axis^zzz> mplayer -vo x11 does many windows,  but not fullscreen, and mplayer -vo xv lets me do fullscreen, but only 1 vid
[03:29] <Nermie> tried booting with pci=noacpi noapic ?
[03:29] <axis^zzz> peregil, : what kind of soundb laster
[03:29] <seth_k> peregil, sorry, I missed your original post... what model?
[03:29] <Nermie> axis^zzz: it's called "sods law"
[03:29] <axis^zzz> LOL
[03:29] <peregil> Creative Labs SB0400 Audigy2 Value
[03:29] <axis^zzz> i have two links for mplayer right now
[03:30] <axis^zzz> 1 for surfing many vids, 1 for watching movies/tv shows [=
[03:30] <seth_k> peregil, word. Have you done the alsactl thing yet?
[03:30] <tuxy> Alguien en espaol
[03:30] <tuxy> xDD
[03:30] <Nermie> seth_k: it's not even showing in /proc/interrupts :|
[03:30] <peregil> what was that "alsactl" it says specify command
[03:30] <axis^zzz> tuxy: #ubuntu-es
[03:31] <tuxy> thanks
[03:31] <nalioth> tuxy: en #ubuntu-es por espanol, por favor
[03:31] <tuxy> xD
[03:31] <seth_k> ah, fair do's Nermie :/
[03:31] <axis^zzz> [=
[03:31] <shali> is there also a channel for german?
[03:31] <Nermie> seth_k: only in lscpi
[03:31] <nalioth> shali: ja, #ubuntu-de
[03:31] <Nermie> hence the suggestion to try pci=noacpi noapic
[03:31] <Nermie> :|
[03:31] <shali> thks.
[03:31] <axis^zzz> nalioth, : how many languages do you speak :)
[03:31] <G|immer> Gnome offers to select between several sound "systems", which is the best to choose from? ALSA, OSS....?
[03:32] <Nermie> alsa
[03:32] <PlanarPlatypus> G|immer, ALSA
[03:32] <Nermie> oss is kind of depreciated now
[03:32] <nalioth> axis^zzz: i lived in germany for 6 years, and now speak spanish for my latino customers
[03:32] <G|immer> good, that's what i have selected.
[03:32] <G|immer> :)
[03:32] <axis^zzz> nalioth,  nice man, nice [=
[03:32] <peregil> Nermie: I did add just "pci=noacpi" should I add "pci=noacpi noapic"?
[03:32] <axis^zzz> nalioth,  where did you origionate from [=
[03:32] <Nermie> both
[03:32] <bojangles> and by the way the same thing is true of kde...they like to promote their browser alongside their gui
[03:32] <Nermie> to the end of the kernel line yeah ?
[03:33] <peregil> OK. Ill try the spelling is like that "noacpi noapic"?
[03:33] <kspr> is there any linux program similar to truecrypt for windows? (a file encryption program with a simple GUI)
[03:33] <Nermie> yes// pci=noacpi noapic
[03:33] <Nermie> not a typo :)
[03:33] <nalioth> axis^zzz: i'm a Texan, born and bred
[03:34] <Nermie> nalioth: yeehaw.. lets smoke em out
[03:34] <peregil> OK. Just had to be sure. Ill try.. Probably back in a while... thanks!
[03:34] <axis^zzz> hehe
[03:34] <Nermie> peregil: gl :)
[03:34] <axis^zzz> lotta hotties in TX
[03:34] <nalioth> kspr: yes, gpg gnu privacy guard
[03:34] <axis^zzz> i've seen some crazy parties there
[03:34] <kspr> nalioth: ok thanks will check out
[03:34] <axis^zzz> i should find those links
[03:34] <Nermie> axis^zzz: no.. you really shouldn't ;)
[03:34] <axis^zzz> *yawn
[03:34] <nalioth> i drive a taxi in houston (where i speak spanish daily)
[03:34] <axis^zzz> ah haha
[03:34] <epiloc> nalioth, where in tx?
[03:34] <epiloc> oh
[03:35] <nalioth> kspr: gpg is an opensource variant of Pretty Good Privacy
[03:35] <epiloc> im in lubbock these days
[03:35] <bojangles> nalioth, gpg is not opensource...it is gpl
[03:35] <bojangles> nalioth, and there is a big difference
[03:35] <brodo> can someone tell me why this -> [ "$NAUTILUS_SCRIPT_SELECTED_FILE_PATH" = "*.gpg" ]  is always false, even if the filename ends with .gpg
[03:35] <kbrooks> bojangles: dont argue
[03:35] <epiloc> just moved from dallaas
[03:36] <axis^zzz> how do i setup identd
[03:36] <axis^zzz> lol
[03:36] <kspr> nalioth, seems nice
[03:36] <kspr> will try ut
[03:36] <kspr> it
[03:36] <kbrooks> axis^zzz: search identd in synaptic
[03:36] <topyli> bojangles: last i looked, gpl was osi approved too :)
[03:37] <kbrooks> topyli: it is
[03:37] <PlanarPlatypus> kspr, if you are after a simple gui you possibly want to install gpgp as well, it is a gnome frontend to gpg
[03:37] <nalioth> kspr: gpg is used by myself and quite a few others in here, i'm sure
[03:37] <kbrooks> bojangles: open source rules
[03:37] <kbrooks> bojangles: "free software" sucks
[03:37] <nikkia> suddenly has flashbacks to 'ldconfig-hell' circa 1994
[03:37] <bojangles> topyli, so what...if a more encompassing list of con-artists were to include one good person....does that make any difference
[03:37] <nikkia> oops, wrong window, sorry
[03:38] <kbrooks> bojangles: you cant ignore "open source"
[03:38] <bojangles> topyli, don't confuse GNU/GPL and OSI
[03:38] <sJaM> why does "free software" sucks
[03:38] <kbrooks> sJaM: Ambiguous term
[03:38] <topyli> bojangles: gpg is more free than your average open source license, true
[03:38] <sJaM> why does "free software (as in freedom)" sucks
[03:38] <topyli> bojangles: gpl even
[03:38] <kbrooks> sJaM: "free" (as in X) sucks
[03:38] <kspr> PlanarPlatypus, yeah that seems sweet
[03:38] <kspr> installing...
[03:38] <kspr> ;)
[03:38] <sJaM> oh ok
[03:39] <kbrooks> sJaM: where X is freedom or speech
[03:39] <sJaM> ?
[03:39] <tritium> can we please avoid license wars?
[03:39] <kbrooks> sJaM: "open source" is clear, understandable and easily said
[03:39] <Nermie> sJaM: because hackers tend to write good code and forget about the uers
[03:39] <PlanarPlatypus> kspr, or if like me you find that interface a bit kludgy looking try seahorse
[03:39] <Nermie> users*
[03:40] <Nermie> so it usually takes a little while to get user friendlyt
[03:40] <kspr> ok
[03:40] <nalioth> kspr: there are a few frontends for gpg, but kgpg kinda sux
[03:40] <nalioth> kspr: you can also use seahorse
[03:40] <kbrooks> nalioth: i love it
[03:40] <sJaM> there is no such thing as end user in free software
[03:40] <Nermie> sJaM: hush
[03:40] <Nermie> I didn't say end user
[03:40] <Nermie> I said user
[03:40] <kspr> nalioth: gpgp then?
[03:40] <Nermie> I'm using free software, therefor I am a user
[03:41] <Nermie> :)
[03:41] <kbrooks> Nermie: confusion!
[03:41] <axis^zzz> if you're using it, you're the user
[03:41] <axis^zzz> come on
[03:41] <axis^zzz> no semantics
[03:41] <axis^zzz> [=
[03:41] <nalioth> kbrooks: i find kgpg craps out on me doing things
[03:41] <Nermie> I know
[03:41] <axis^zzz> semantactics
[03:41] <sJaM> but if you are not an end user
[03:41] <sJaM> you like to have the source
[03:41] <kspr> seahorse it is then i suppose...
[03:41] <sJaM> so you can modify it
[03:41] <Nermie> sJaM: not arguing.
[03:41] <kbrooks> Nermie: that's why i say "open source"
[03:41] <Nermie> kbrooks: yah
[03:41] <axis^zzz> can i sell a computer with Ubuntu on it?
[03:42] <sJaM> but free software != open source
[03:42] <kbrooks> axis^zzz: yes
[03:42] <Nermie> axis^zzz: sure
[03:42] <topyli> axis^zzz: sure
[03:42] <G|immer> if i copied all my deb archive cache to a CD, would synaptic recognize the files and user them from the CD instead of re-downloading them?
[03:42] <axis^zzz> but i can't add mplayer/ xmms
[03:42] <kbrooks> axis^zzz: ubuntu is open source
[03:42] <kbrooks> axis^zzz: you can, it will still be open source
[03:42] <Nermie> G|immer: erm.. you might have to move them back
[03:42] <aka> can somebody help me ? I try to install php5 for Ubuntu, but the packages are corrupt ..
[03:42] <Nermie> or point apt to use the cd as the archive
[03:42] <axis^zzz> kbrooks,  I want to sell computers for a price, then say to people. "it's 250$ more if you want windows, or i give you Ubuntu for free"
[03:42] <topyli> G|immer: not just like that
[03:42] <axis^zzz> cool
[03:42] <Nermie> aka: from where ?
[03:42] <axis^zzz> no legal issues?
[03:42] <kbrooks> axis^zzz: non-free does not taint ubuntu
[03:42] <axis^zzz> i'm in canada
[03:43] <axis^zzz> ok
[03:43] <topyli> axis^zzz: it's perfectly ok
[03:43] <kbrooks> axis^zzz: none at all
[03:43] <aka> from the exemple of the wiki
[03:43] <G|immer> Nermie, topyli: i c.
[03:43] <axis^zzz> thanks alot guys hehe :)
[03:43] <aka> http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/applications/php5
[03:43] <axis^zzz> good to know, very good.
[03:43] <Nermie> !lucky php5 ubuntu
[03:43] <ubotu> Nermie: I give up, what is it?
[03:43] <Nermie> hmmm
[03:43] <Nermie> can ubotu google search ?
[03:43] <topyli> G|immer: check the apt howto and build a repository on the cd
[03:43] <axis^zzz> i swear i'm going to sell another 5 machines today just knowing that [=
[03:43] <nalioth> axis^zzz: you can do that
[03:43] <kbrooks> axis^zzz: i use 'open source', not 'free software' because the latter is confusing
[03:43] <sJaM> idd
[03:43] <sJaM> but the 2 mean different things
[03:44] <kbrooks> sJaM: so?
[03:44] <Nermie> aka: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=44082&highlight=php5
[03:44] <nalioth> Nermie: what do you want him to search?
[03:44] <G|immer> topyli: ok, thanks. will do that.
[03:44] <sJaM> so open source is not a synomym for free software
[03:44] <Nermie> did that url appear ? :|
[03:44] <peregil> Hi again!. Restarted, but still no success
[03:44] <axis^zzz> so basically , i can sell the machine for whatever price as long as i give the software away
[03:44] <Nermie> peregil: anything on the forums ?
[03:44] <axis^zzz> i'm psyched
[03:45] <Nermie> axis^zzz: yah
[03:45] <kbrooks> axis^zzz: incorrect.
[03:45] <nalioth> Nermie: what keyword did you want ubotu to find?
[03:45] <topyli> G|immer: section 2.2, "how to use apt locally"
[03:45] <Nermie> nalioth: nm
[03:45] <aka> thanks Nermie
[03:45] <nalioth> axis^zzz: you can sell burnt cd-rs for what you can, as long as you're not charging for the software
[03:45] <axis^zzz> ohh cool
[03:45] <Nermie> just for the price of the cd / production
[03:45] <Nermie> thats how the numpties selling suse and such on ebay do it
[03:46] <kbrooks> axis^zzz: you can sell ubuntu for whatever price you want as long as you leave the sources.list intact. you can change it, but you should not disable  access to source
[03:46] <teferi> nalioth: you can charge for the software too
[03:46] <klaym> it's not illegal to take stupid people's money. example: www.savetoby.com
[03:46] <teferi> you just have to provide, on request, source.
[03:46] <funkyHat> you can charge for the software
[03:46] <kbrooks> axis^zzz: deb-src uncommented is ok. # deb-src is NOT ok
[03:46] <Nermie> klaym: or microsoft.com
[03:46] <klaym> :P
[03:46] <Nermie> :)
[03:46] <axis^zzz> kbrooks,  that's hilarious.. but i understand
[03:46] <teferi> kbrooks: you can do that too. you just have to include a README or something saying where source can be obtained...
[03:47] <bojangles> axis^zzz, you better be sure to give them ubuntu for free ....especially if you include the AFPL licensed version of ghostscript because Aladdin does not mess around and if you make any money they legally have claims against you.
[03:47] <kbrooks> bojangles: cut it
[03:47] <chaps0063> Hi, I just attached a USB->Serial Adapter, how can I get this to function so I can console into a router?
[03:47] <bojangles> axis^zzz, the AFPL is not the GPL
[03:47] <kbrooks> axis^zzz: programs are programs
[03:47] <axis^zzz> what is AFPL
[03:47] <bojangles> axis^zzz, google "AFPL License"
[03:47] <axis^zzz> free public license
[03:47] <kbrooks> bojangles: the AFPL does not APPLY TO UBUNTU directly
[03:48] <teferi> chaps0063: if the system detected it, it'll show up as /dev/ttyUSBn
[03:48] <bojangles> kbrooks, it absolutely does if ubuntu includes it
[03:48] <teferi> for some n
[03:48] <Nermie> incorrect capitalisation
[03:48] <teferi> probably 0
[03:48] <kbrooks> bojangles: 'ubuntu', not 'you'
[03:48] <chaps0063> teferi: ok.
[03:48] <axis^zzz> oh gawd
[03:48] <axis^zzz> FLF
[03:48] <kbrooks> bojangles: please do not use terms interchangably
[03:48] <axis^zzz> what is that, a new cult gathering of conglomerate wannabe's?
[03:48] <chaps0063> teferi: I have /dev/ttyUSB0
[03:49] <kbrooks> axis^zzz: i apologize
[03:49] <teferi> chaps0063: great. fire up your favorite terminal program and use it :)
[03:49] <teferi> chaps0063: i recommend minicom if you don't have one
[03:49] <axis^zzz> kbrooks,  for what/???
[03:49] <kbrooks> axis^zzz: using terms interchangably can confuse people
[03:49] <chaps0063> teferi: that was my next ?
[03:49] <bojangles> kbrooks, read AFPL...anyone who distributes AFPL software for money owes that money to Aladdin legally....they do not mess around
[03:49] <bojangles> kbrooks, anyone....on a machine or otherwise
[03:49] <teferi> chaps0063: configure it to use /dev/ttyUSB0 and whatever serial settings your router is set to use on the console port and bob's your uncle
[03:49] <kbrooks> bojangles: please. DO NOT CONFUSE PEOPLE
[03:49] <teferi> chaps0063: i assume you have the right serial cable for the device in question?
[03:49] <Nermie> ugh
[03:50] <Nermie> capslock
[03:50] <chaps0063> teferi: of course.
[03:50] <peregil> Nermie: Searched the forums, and came across this: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=49480. Do you think this could be my problem as well, or is it another, since my card dont show up in the interrupt list...?
[03:50] <chaps0063> teferi: where do i put the config file
[03:50] <teferi> chaps0063: minicom generates it for you
[03:50] <bojangles> kbrooks, you keep trying to oversimpify and ignore the facts rather than offering critical analysis of the licenses.
[03:50] <kbrooks> bojangles: fine. lets go to #lw
[03:50] <bojangles> kbrooks, and that can get people into trouble
[03:50] <abhayks> anyone using fluxbox
[03:50] <chaps0063> teferi: ok then...where does it put it
[03:50] <teferi> chaps0063: run 'sudo minicom -s'
[03:50] <teferi> it's a menu-driven configuration process
[03:51] <kbrooks> axis^zzz, bojangles: #lw
[03:51] <axis^zzz> well i understand semantics so i know you can usually get nipped regardless
[03:51] <teferi> chaps0063: and it'll stick the configuration in /etc/minicom/minirc.dfl
[03:51] <tritium> kbrooks, thanks
[03:51] <Nermie> peregil: you could try modprobing all modprobe snd-emu10k1;modprobe snd-pcm-oss;modprobe snd-mixer-oss;modprobe snd-seq-oss
[03:51] <chaps0063> teferi: i only have minicom.users in /etc/minicom/
[03:51] <Nermie> but I think your card should appear in /proc/interrupts
[03:52] <teferi> chaps0063: yes, minicom will generate minicom.dfl once you run sudo minicom -s
[03:52] <OdiiN> anyone can explain me this : http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/671
[03:52] <orangerange> can anybody help me, I got dtmfdial from repository. it works. but it won't work when i need it to work. It won't work when I have my voip software (kiax, www.kiax.org) running. What can i do? Is there another program that will generate a phone's touch tones while my voip softphone is running? (IF i enter the command with dtmfdial, it will only go through after I close my softphone program)
[03:52] <Nermie> peregil: sudo su to get root then  modprobe
[03:52] <Nermie>                 snd-emu10k1;modprobe snd-pcm-oss;modprobe
[03:52] <Nermie>                 snd-mixer-oss;modprobe snd-seq-oss
[03:52] <Nermie> bah
[03:53] <chaps0063> teferi: ah, i see.
[03:53] <Markrian> I have an ext3 partition on a harddrive that I want to resize, but parted (can you believe it) tells me it cannot resize the partition. What can I use instead?
[03:53] <nikkia> orangerange: welcome to the wonderful world of linux audio blocking access :)
[03:53] <Nermie> Markrian: is it mounted ?
[03:53] <Markrian> Nermie: nope
[03:53] <orangerange> nikkia, 8-)
[03:53] <Nermie> Markrian: you could try gparted, but that's just a frontend to parted :|
[03:53] <nikkia> orangerange:  you'll have to work out a way for both to share alsa, via dmix
[03:53] <Markrian> Nermie: yup
[03:53] <orangerange> nikkia, can we somehowe make it work? like if i change from esd to assa or vice versa?
[03:53] <orangerange> nikkia, dmix?
[03:53] <Nermie> Markrian: does it give you any reasons ?
[03:54] <Nermie> is it a very full ext3 partition?
[03:54] <nikkia> orangerange:  that may be easy, or hard, depending on whether the apps are OSS and if so, how deeply they use OSS
[03:54] <chaps0063> teferi: you rock!
[03:54] <teferi> chaps0063: glad to help. happy conf t'ing, and don't forget to wr m :)
[03:54] <chaps0063> teferi: now i know i dont need windows!
[03:54] <nikkia> orangerange: google for alsa dmix, its a 'plugin' for alsa that allows you to do software mixing of audio streams - ie, multiple programs can output audio at the same time
[03:54] <orangerange> well kiax is on sourceforge, so i think it's oss. dtmfdial is in "universe"
[03:54] <Nermie> chaps0063: :)
[03:54] <abhayks> fluxbox looks WOW
[03:54] <Nermie> abhayks: it can do
[03:54] <peregil> Nermie: Tried that. No errors, but still no sound. alsactl/alsa start/alsamixer still complains about no such device
[03:55] <nikkia> orangerange: no, i mean OSS as in 'Open Sound System', the old linux audio interface
[03:55] <Nermie> peregil: hmm.. something not happy then
[03:55] <chaps0063> teferi: hehe...working on aironet to authenticate to radius
[03:55] <Nermie> reseat the card in a different slot ?
[03:55] <Will_> Anybody reccomend something to check gmail in my gnome train? mail-notification seems not to work for various reasons
[03:55] <teferi> have fun with that, chaps
[03:55] <nikkia> orangerange: alsa replaced OSS as the standard audio system on linux, but many apps still use OSS, unfortunately, OSS has some nasty limitations that are hard to get around, even with dmix, in some situations
[03:55] <orangerange> Will_, i think it does'nt work because gmail changed their url from gmail.google.com to mail.google.com
[03:55] <chaps0063> teferi: will do.
[03:55] <OdiiN> anyone can explain me this : http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/671  ?  is very simple :P
[03:55] <peregil> Nermie: I am really not understanding what all these parts do, but can it be something really basic, like the card not inserted properly?
[03:56] <Nermie> peregil: could be
[03:56] <Markrian> Nermie: it's about 99% full (though that means it has ~500M free space) - but I want to grow the partition, not shrink it
[03:56] <Nermie> reseat it :)
[03:56] <chaps0063> is there anything similar to gmail notifier for gnome?
[03:56] <Nermie> Markrian: I think it still might need 10% or something to resize it
[03:56] <Nermie> so it can move blocks around, backup the fat, all that crap
[03:56] <teferi> chaps0063: mail-notification
[03:56] <orangerange> nikkia, how can i find out if kiax (my voip software) and dtmfdial use alsa or esd or oss?
[03:56] <Will_> orangerange: fair enough. It's still sad
[03:56] <Nermie> or the inode structure etc
[03:56] <Will_> chaps0063: I just asked that!
[03:56] <orangerange> Will_, i'm sad, too. i use gmail.
[03:56] <teferi> Will_: mail-notification
[03:56] <teferi> apt-get install it
[03:56] <chaps0063> Will_: i wasn't paying attention, lol.
[03:57] <orangerange> Will_, i have gmail alert my email-enabled cellphone when i have new mail.
[03:57] <Will_> teferi: I did, and it does not work. I know why it is not working, but cannot fix it myself.
[03:57] <Nermie> Will_: tried using it a pop client ?
[03:57] <teferi> Will_: you've exhausted the depth of my knowledge of the utility in question
[03:57] <teferi> sorry
[03:57] <Nermie> as gmail supports that now
[03:57] <funkyHat> chaps0063, Will_, http://freshmeat.net/projects/gtray/?branch_id=51408&release_id=165252
[03:57] <Will_> teferi: Thanks for trying
[03:57] <Sputn1k> i have older ubuntu vesion 4.x, can i update it to 5.04?
[03:57] <Will_> funkyHat: Thanks also!
[03:57] <abhayks> Nermie: Just installed it and configuring it
[03:58] <Nermie> Sputn1k: sure
[03:58] <teferi> Will_: there is a gmail new-mail notification thing for firefox
[03:58] <chaps0063> funkyHat: error on link.
[03:58] <teferi> an extension
[03:58] <Sputn1k> yupppyyy
[03:58] <Sputn1k> bie
[03:58] <Nermie> Sputn1k: replace all instances of warty with hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list, run apt-get update then aptitude dist-upgrade
[03:58] <Markrian> Nermie: I'll check parted's documentation... Though thinking about it you might be right. But why didn't it tell me that in the first place? :|
[03:58] <ateves> is there any example what sources should be in sources.list?
[03:59] <funkyHat> chaps0063, oops
[03:59] <Will_> teferi: Possible. But I dislike tacking things onto FF like that
[03:59] <orangerange> nikkia, i should  bother with dmix only if kiax and dtmfdial use oss, correct?
[03:59] <nikkia> orangerange: no
[03:59] <funkyHat> http://freshmeat.net/projects/checkgmail/
[03:59] <orangerange> nikkia, so whatever sound system kiax and dtmfdial works, i should still try to get dmix, correct?
[03:59] <nikkia> orangerange: dmix affects alsa apps too, and is necessary in the majority of cases where alsa apps are involved
[04:00] <nikkia> orangerange: dmix doesn't directly affect OSS apps at all, in fact
[04:00] <teferi> Will_: aye, but at least it's known-working...
[04:00] <bojangles> kbrooks, what i say is teach them how to understand the critical details...and where to find the information.....don't gloss over the facts in ignorance and then tell others to do the same.
[04:00] <axis^zzz> so how many of you have ordered cds?
[04:00] <orangerange> nikkia, so is my first step to get dmix? or should i first found out what sound system these programs use?
[04:00] <axis^zzz> and how many cds did you order
[04:00] <axis^zzz> [=
[04:00] <Nermie> ateves: http://pastebin.com/316228
[04:00] <nikkia> orangerange: dmix only affects OSS apps when you use aoss to force an OSS app to use alsa instead, but as i said, its not that simple, aoss doesn't work with all OSS apps
[04:00] <nikkia> orangerange: you *have* dmix, its a standard part of alsa, you just need to configure alsa to use it
[04:00] <Nermie> ateves: that has some backports stuff at the bottom too
[04:01] <orangerange> nikkia, i see.
[04:01] <teferi> nikkia: and that's a fiddly business
[04:01] <idiotique> helo
[04:01] <teferi> lots of tweaking magic values in .asoundrc
[04:01] <orangerange> nikkia, how do i do this configuring?
[04:01] <funkyHat> Will_, chaps0063, http://freshmeat.net/projects/checkgmail/ hope that helps
[04:01] <ateves> Nermie: thank you
[04:01] <funkyHat> checked the link this time ;)
[04:01] <nikkia> orangerange: there is no url i can point you at in here, to help you with that, as the only really relevant one is on a forbidden site, so you'll have to google
[04:01] <idiotique> can anyone help to mount a fat32?
[04:01] <chaps0063> funkyHat: seems like i need quite a few additional packages.
[04:01] <orangerange> nikkia, forbidden site? what you mean?
[04:01] <orangerange> nikkia, what search terms aside from these should i use: dmix ubuntu ?
[04:01] <Whistler> how do i set my workspace swicher to default settings?
[04:02] <nikkia> orangerange: 'alsa dmix'
[04:02] <funkyHat> chaps0063, are you using kde?
[04:02] <OdiiN> is needed to have execution permition on a directory to list files or view html plain files?
[04:02] <SaumZ> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=50100 <-- Anyone familiar with the problem with ubuntu freezing on the splash screen after logging in?
[04:02] <jadedstar> Hi all. Trying to install smeg 7.5 but I keep getting an error trying to install pyxdg-0.14. Any thoughts?
[04:02] <Nermie> OdiiN: to list yes
[04:02] <Nermie> to view no
[04:02] <Whistler> how do i set my workspace swicher to default settings?
[04:02] <idiotique> can anyone help me to mount a fat32?
[04:02] <Amaranth> jadedstar: http://dev.realistanew.com/smeg/installsmeg
[04:02] <nikkia> orangerange: you can add 'ubuntu' to that search string if you wish, but that will only find the forbidden site, and besides, configuring dmix is pretty distribution-agnostic
[04:02] <orangerange> nikkia, perhaps if you know the url, you can pm to me this "forbidden" site
[04:02] <Amaranth> jadedstar: please download and run this script
[04:02] <Nermie> to cd into .. yes
[04:02] <PlanarPlatypus> idiotique, yes, mount -t vfat /dev/whatever_the_hd_partition_is /mnt/wherever_you_want_it
[04:03] <nikkia> orangerange: i'm not allowed to
[04:03] <jadedstar> amaranth: thank you :-)
[04:03] <Amaranth> jadedstar: download it to your home dir, open a terminal, and run 'sudo python installsmeg'
[04:03] <orangerange> nikkia, what do you mean by "forbidden"? Why aren't you allowed to?
[04:03] <robotgeek> does any know if freenode has a cgi/java irc ?
[04:03] <chaps0063> funkyHat: gnome.
[04:03] <Whistler> how do i set my workspace swicher to default settings?
[04:03] <SaumZ> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=50100 <-- Anyone familiar with the problem with ubuntu freezing on the splash screen after logging in?
[04:03] <peregil> does anyone know of a sound card that you can be sure works with Linux
[04:04] <Amaranth> peregil: soundblaster live!
[04:04] <Nermie> peregil: I would reseat it
[04:04] <seth_k> well, I use an SB Audigy2 ZS Platinum
[04:04] <Nermie> peregil: maybe in a different slot
[04:04] <seth_k> SaumZ, usually sound related problems
[04:04] <jadedstar> Amaranth: Thanks, I'm a bit of a newbie when it comes to linux.
[04:04] <Nermie> and check your bios pci irq allocations are on auto
[04:04] <robotgeek> they've blocked IRC at school :(
[04:04] <dataw0lf> good morning guys
[04:04] <G|immer> peregil: Creative Soung Blaster Live! Platinum. That's what i have.
[04:04] <Nermie> robotgeek: ssh tunnel
[04:04] <teferi> well, irc isn't exactly academically related
[04:04] <peregil> Nermi: I opened up and checked. It is OK. Well... I might try another slot, but the computer is brand new.
[04:04] <dataw0lf> and ladies
[04:04] <Amaranth> sure it is
[04:05] <SaumZ> seth_k, the sound plays, then the small splash screen comes up, then it freezes
[04:05] <Nermie> peregil: try another slot
[04:05] <axis^zzz> robotgeek: is that all they blocked?
[04:05] <Nermie> I'm running out of ideas :|
[04:05] <Whistler> how do i set my workspace swicher to default settings?
[04:05] <Nermie> certain slots share certain irqa
[04:05] <Nermie> irqs*
[04:05] <nikkia> SaumZ: i've seen that kind of bevhaviour be caused by audio blocking :)
[04:05] <SaumZ> hmm, is there any way for me to disable my sound for the time being?
[04:05] <nikkia> SaumZ: if there is an app in your session that opens the sound card straight away, it can block the session recovery sometime, IME
[04:06] <axis^zzz> SaumZ, : turn off your speakers :)
[04:06] <Whistler> ppl anybody know how to do it?
[04:06] <Whistler> how do i set my workspace swicher to default settings?
[04:06] <axis^zzz> ;]
[04:06] <peregil> Nermie: I will. Could the "pci=noacpi...." cause any problems? If it did not work, should I just remove it?
[04:06] <SaumZ> it's on a laptop I just bought, I need to figure that out ;);) lol
[04:06] <nikkia> SaumZ: you could zap your session and see if that stops it locking
[04:06] <robotgeek> axis^zzz: all bittorrent,kazaa etc
[04:06] <SaumZ> zap? (I am kinda of a linux newbie)
[04:06] <Whistler> oh i found it myself
[04:06] <axis^zzz> teferi, : it isn't EXACTLY related, but that's all I use it for
[04:06] <axis^zzz> robotgeek, : at your dorm or actually in class
[04:07] <Nermie> peregil: remove it if it didn't have an effect.. lets not introduce more variables after you;ve moved the card ;)
[04:07] <axis^zzz> robotgeek, : throughout the entire network?
[04:07] <robotgeek> axis^zzz: entire network
[04:07] <axis^zzz> robotgeek,  ouch man that's lame
[04:07] <robotgeek> robotgeek: you can't download a torrent file even!
[04:07] <axis^zzz> robotgeek: you need to setup a host at your parents
[04:07] <Nermie> bah
[04:07] <nikkia> SaumZ: when you log out a list of open apps are saved, this is your 'session', so that when you log back in that session is restored... by 'zap' i mean you delete the list of apps that makes up your saved session, that way, when you log in again, it doesn't try to run any apps, just gives you a plain desktop
[04:07] <axis^zzz> robotgeek: or a buddies
[04:07] <nikkia> SaumZ: i can't remember where the session list is stored with gnome, though, i use kde
[04:08] <Whistler> whats evoliution mail package name?
[04:08] <axis^zzz> robotgeek: that's the worst man]
[04:08] <Nermie> !evolution
[04:08] <ubotu> Nermie: I give up, what is it?
[04:08] <Nermie> hmmm
[04:08] <axis^zzz> robotgeek,  i feel your pain [=
[04:08] <Whistler> !evolution
[04:08] <Nermie> !bash
[04:08] <ubotu> No idea, Nermie
[04:08] <Nermie> interesting
[04:08] <funkyHat> um, it's evolution
[04:08] <robotgeek> axis^zzz: not happening now, though it wud be nice if freenode has a cgi irc setup
[04:08] <Whistler> =]
[04:08] <Nermie> he's stopped apt searching
[04:08] <SaumZ> nikkia, I am unable to logout or anything, this is happening off of the initial boot.  I have to reboot the computer when it freezes.
[04:08] <Nermie> has the syntax changed ?
[04:08] <Nermie> !info evolution
[04:08] <ubotu> evolution: (The groupware suite), section gnome, is optional. Version: <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 4111 kB, Installed size: 24560 kB
[04:08] <Nermie> ahh :D
[04:09] <Nermie> shows what 6 hours sleep in 3 days does
[04:09] <axis^zzz> robotgeek: true .. can you not find a free shell to bitchX from?
[04:09] <Nermie> ubotu: botsnack
[04:09] <ubotu> thanks nermie :)
[04:09] <Nermie> :)
[04:09] <axis^zzz> robotgeek,  they can't block ssh or ftp .. i mean come on
[04:09] <robotgeek> robotgeek: haven't tried that, will google around.
[04:09] <Veeder> PlanarPlatypus, hey man i just had a power dc can u repeat that command
[04:09] <axis^zzz> robotgeek: do you know how to use the terminal?
[04:09] <robotgeek> axis^zzz: ssh and ftp aren't blcoked
[04:10] <robotgeek> axis^zzz: yeah, i do
[04:10] <axis^zzz> CLI savvy?
[04:10] <axis^zzz> coo
[04:10] <PlanarPlatypus> Veeder, the fat32 one?  mount -t vfat /dev/whatever_the_hd_partition_is /mnt/wherever_you_want_it
[04:10] <chaps0063> Will_: well I have mail-notification working (sort of)
[04:10] <J_P> hi all
[04:10] <Will_> chaps0063: I'm installing perl modules
[04:10] <axis^zzz> robotgeek: you don't have anywhere you could stick your computer outside of the schools network? and just get yourself a shiddy terminal into that?
[04:10] <Will_> And playing GTA:SA at the same time
[04:10] <chaps0063> Will_: i set it up as pop3 but it gets an error when it reads...
[04:10] <Equis> PlanarPlatypus:  I just jumped in here for the same question
[04:10] <chaps0063> Will_: it flashes when i get new emaill...
[04:10] <Veeder> hmm how to know which hd is it.. and which hd partition
[04:10] <J_P> people, iam in ubuntu now, I install it :)
[04:11] <Veeder> the second disk would be hdb?
[04:11] <Nermie> Veeder: yes
[04:11] <Nermie> partitions go 1 2 3 etc
[04:11] <axis^zzz> Will_,  are you running vmware?
[04:11] <Nermie> second partition on second disk = hdb2
[04:11] <J_P> But ubuntu not say for me setup passwd of root, what is my root password for ubuntu
[04:11] <sJaM> not nessecerily
[04:11] <Veeder> k thanks, :D
[04:11] <robotgeek> axis^zzz: well, i have home. i just din't want to get into the trouble
[04:11] <sJaM> it could be hdc or hdd
[04:11] <Nermie> J_P: your user password
[04:11] <Nermie> use sudo
[04:11] <sJaM> depending on how you set up your hdd's and cdroms or other drives
[04:12] <axis^zzz> j_P i'm not sure how to change the root password to it's own, but the root password is the password of the main account you made
[04:12] <tritium> J_P, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:12] <Will_> axis^zzz: No. Why?
[04:12] <Will_> I should be at some point, thinking about it
[04:12] <axis^zzz> Will_,  how are you playing San Andreas while compiling?
[04:12] <Whistler> :D
[04:13] <robotgeek> axis^zzz: alrite, thanks...me gonna look for a free shell. hopefully find one!
[04:13] <axis^zzz> will: right now i run ubuntu, with vmware workstation 5 .. and winxp off that.. i plan to run FREEBSD as my server, and vmware off that with Ubuntu and Xp as my workstations
[04:13] <J_P> But in install ubuntu not tell me one place for  write my root password!!
[04:13] <axis^zzz> robotgeek, : there are plenty out there man.. i've seen alot, most don't take more then an hour to get verified
[04:13] <Seveas> J_P: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:13] <Nermie> J_P: there is no root password
[04:13] <tritium> J_P, read the URL I gave you
[04:13] <Veeder> mount: mount point /mnt/hdb2 does not exist
[04:13] <Will_> axis^zzz: a 1.8M/80CM desk with 3 monitors on it
[04:13] <Veeder> oh oh
[04:13] <Nermie> given what you've said so far you shouldn't be root anyway
[04:13] <Will_> axis^zzz: Okay. That sounds good. you need lots of RAM for vmware though
[04:14] <J_P> ok Seveas Nermie and tritium o go read"! thanks
[04:14] <Nermie> Veeder: create it
[04:14] <Nermie> mkdir
[04:14] <axis^zzz> Will_,  that's true.. it isn't for gaming
[04:14] <Veeder> k
[04:14] <sJaM> try hdc or hdd Veeder
[04:14] <Will_> And VMWare would not play San Andreas, as I think it only does _basic_ direct3d
[04:14] <axis^zzz> apparently there are 2 other free alternatives to VMware
[04:14] <Nermie> sJaM: no.. its the mountpoint not the device
[04:14] <axis^zzz> what about that program that starts with a c
[04:14] <axis^zzz> for games
[04:14] <axis^zzz> and linux ..
[04:14] <axis^zzz> cal ..
[04:14] <axis^zzz> w..
[04:15] <sJaM> oh yeah
[04:15] <sJaM> sorry
[04:15] <Virtuall> cedega?
[04:15] <axis^zzz> cedega .. that's it
[04:15] <axis^zzz> how is that
[04:15] <Nermie> commercial
[04:15] <Nermie> and tagged
[04:15] <sJaM> forget my latest comment Veeder
[04:15] <axis^zzz> ouch
[04:15] <Whistler> how do i install themes for gnome?
[04:15] <Whistler> for example http://art.gnome.org/themes/gtk2/1087
[04:16] <J_P> wow, really not exist root in ubuntu, but for option 'servers' in boot install not exist root user too >(is questino, i yet not configure by keyboard)
[04:16] <G|immer> Whistler: download the .gz file. There is an option when u go to Gnome's theme manager to ADD a theme. browse to the .gz file and it installs it.
[04:16] <tritium> axis^zzz, dude, don't hit "Return" so frequently.  Use periods for punctuation.
[04:16] <Veeder> Nermie, im gettin some error on that like.. bad superblock or somethin
[04:16] <Veeder> wrong fs type?
[04:17] <axis^zzz> tritium, thanks for the tip,
[04:17] <axis^zzz> boss
[04:17] <tritium> axis^zzz, please, so as not to flood the channel.
[04:17] <Veeder> is tht command mount -t vfat... for fat32?
[04:17] <nikkia> J_P, root exists, it just is not accessible
[04:17] <G|immer> Whistler: the button is called "Install Theme"
[04:17] <axis^zzz> nikkia, is there no way to enable it?
[04:17] <nikkia> J_P, so apps/servers that depend on root existing, will still work
[04:17] <bojangles> axis^zzz, here axis...get informed and be aware of what you do....pay particular attention to any transfer of money associated with distribution of the program whether on the new computers you sell or on CDS...however you distribute it.
[04:17] <bojangles> http://www.primopdf.com/license.htm
[04:18] <nikkia> axis^zzz: of course, but its not recommended really, there's very very little need for it (a couple of obscure apps that base their admin password on root's) and those situations can be worked around
[04:18] <J_P> nikkia: but is impossible i do su root right , only sudo comand
[04:18] <bojangles> axis^zzz, and realize there are a variety of other similar type licenses in the open-source mixture...that is not pure GNU/GPL
[04:18] <nikkia> J_P, sudo is more capable than su, so what's the problem?
[04:18] <axis^zzz> bojangles, : but ubuntu is pure, ?
[04:19] <nikkia> J_P, there is nothing you can do with 'su' that you cannot do with 'sudo'
[04:19] <J_P> nikkia: if i need work many many time with root, i need all comand sudo before command line..
[04:19] <challenged> umm just so ya know yes you can enable root but you dont really need to.....
[04:19] <axis^zzz> bojangles: I don't want to sell ubuntu, i want to sell computers. i'd sell them the computer for the same price even if they didn't want ubuntu on their system
[04:19] <bojangles> axis^zzz, well ubuntu is not charging any money....but if they try ....lots of people will come after them...with valid legal rights to take away their money
[04:19] <nikkia> J_P, man sudo, pay attention to -s and -i options
[04:19] <axis^zzz> nikkia,  i'm going to have to get used to that.. i install basically everything as root
[04:19] <nikkia> J_P: they give you a shell as root, equivalent of 'su' for sudo -s, and 'su -' for sudo -i
[04:20] <flogiston> I'm trying to burn a iso file in k3b.
[04:20] <nikkia> axis^zzz: that's really dangerous, you know :)
[04:20] <J_P> nikkia: ahh ok, sudo -s equal su root user :)
[04:20] <axis^zzz> bojangles,  so as long as i FULLY state my intentions, i should be clear.
[04:20] <challenged> J_P, sudu is a better way to do things ....in theory
[04:20] <Sonderblade> how do you sudo a command with a ">"
[04:20] <J_P> ok
[04:20] <axis^zzz> nikkia,  even for appz i want every user to have?
[04:20] <nikkia> J_P, yes, and sudo -i equals 'su - root'
[04:20] <bojangles> axis^zzz, no..just don't try to make any money....then you won't be a target
[04:21] <nikkia> axis^zzz: if by 'install' you mean 'su, do make, do make install' then yes, su'ing to install apps is dangerous
[04:21] <flogiston> But I can't find the isofil when i'm in the right directry...
[04:21] <axis^zzz> nikkia: ouch
[04:21] <Nermie> flogiston: oh
[04:21] <Nermie> sure it saved it ok ?
[04:21] <Nermie> ls shows it ?
[04:21] <axis^zzz> nikkia: i used bsd before this..  you kind of had to SU to install things.. i can't believe that's so different
[04:21] <Sonderblade> nikkia, sudo -i echo foo > /root/bla ? it doesn't work
[04:21] <nikkia> axis^zzz: you're safer using checkinstall
[04:21] <axis^zzz> bojangles, Well i doubt i'll make forbes top 10
[04:22] <J_P> nikkia: but only people can use sudo are people in admin group right
[04:22] <flogiston> Nerwie, eys it does
[04:22] <axis^zzz> nikkia: that's a console command that will tell me if i need to or not?
[04:22] <nikkia> Sonderblade: i don't even know where to start telling you what is wrong with that command
[04:22] <nikkia> J_P, no, you can configure sudo any way you want
[04:22] <axis^zzz> or makeinstall -checkinstall
[04:22] <axis^zzz> er ./configure
[04:22] <nikkia> J_P, you could set it up so that user 'bob' can only sudo mount and umount
[04:23] <axis^zzz> i need a good "g-spot" theme
[04:23] <nikkia> J_P, that is why sudo is safer, it has fine grained controls for what each user/group/etc can do as root
[04:23] <axis^zzz> what do you guys think about a gnome cafe called "the g spot"
[04:23] <tritium> J_P, but in general, you're correct in that users in the admin group have sudo priveleges.
[04:23] <flogiston> k3b just says: seems not to be a usable image
[04:23] <axis^zzz> and have wireless g
[04:23] <J_P> nikkia: ohh, but for sudo for root is only group admin right
[04:23] <nikkia> J_P: no
[04:23] <axis^zzz> nikkia,  how do I checkinstall
[04:23] <nikkia> J_P, the *default* ubuntu setup is that anyone in group 'admin' can sudo anything, but that is just a default, it can easily be changed
[04:24] <nikkia> axis^zzz: install 'checkinstall' from the repositories, read its manpage :)
[04:24] <axis^zzz> ok :)
[04:24] <J_P> nikkia: ahh ok!
[04:24] <nikkia> axis^zzz: it basically builds a .deb by running make install against a chroot
[04:24] <axis^zzz> i just used sudo for the first time
[04:25] <axis^zzz> lol
[04:25] <axis^zzz> nikkia, : ahh ok .. that's leet
[04:25] <axis^zzz> nikkia,  learn so much everyday with this linux
[04:25] <J_P> ubuntu is great :) I always use debian stable for desktops.. but i like ubuntu becouse is one debian with very new and stble packages hehe
[04:25] <axis^zzz> today,  i learned a bit more about licensing,  NDiS wrapper (which i think is uber cool, and i need to read more about it) .. and SUDO
[04:25] <J_P> good work people of the UBUNTU!!
[04:26] <ubuntu> hello
[04:26] <axis^zzz> nikkia, : isn't that the same as "alien"
[04:26] <nikkia> axis^zzz: no
[04:26] <MIK3MAN> hey peeps
[04:26] <nikkia> J_P, btw, let me give you an example of something that *cannot* be done with su :)
[04:26] <ubuntu> anyone knows how to enter as SU with live ubuntu?
[04:26] <axis^zzz> ubuntu: where are you from
[04:26] <J_P> nikkia: what
[04:27] <axis^zzz> ubuntu, what language do you want
[04:27] <nikkia> J_P: if you start a GUI emacs window, then run 'start-server' to enable the emacsclient processing, then set EDITOR=/usr/bin/emacsclient, as a user, if you less a file and hit 'v' to edit, it opens the file in the emacs window, which is good
[04:27] <J_P> nikkia: ahh i dont know.. i think is possible do all with sudo.. I ma right
[04:27] <ubuntu> im from argentina
[04:28] <nikkia> J_P, however, because emacsclient uses your username to access the socket for communication with the emacs window, it will not work with 'su', however, sudo -e some_filename  *will*
[04:28] <tritium> welcome, ubuntu :)
[04:28] <axis^zzz> tritium,  can you help this man
[04:28] <axis^zzz> ha
[04:28] <ubuntu> jeje thx
[04:28] <axis^zzz> already on it
[04:28] <J_P> nikkia: ahh then sudo is better form :)
[04:28] <tritium> axis^zzz, :)
[04:28] <ubuntu> im trying to enter as supervisor
[04:28] <nikkia> because sudo -e duplicates the method that vipw and crontab -e  use, which is to copy the file to a temporary file, edit it, then copy it back as the sudo'ed user
[04:28] <cion> hey newbie here, how do I install a USB wireless device?
[04:28] <ubuntu> becouse i want to mount a ntfs partition
[04:28] <Nermie> erm.. depends
[04:29] <Nermie> what device is it?
[04:29] <tritium> ubuntu, here's the info on Root/Sudo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:29] <Nermie> ubuntu: sudo su
[04:29] <Nermie> enter user password
[04:29] <ubuntu> ok thx
[04:29] <cion> WLL013- 802.11 1mpbs
[04:29] <ubuntu> i will check
[04:29] <Nermie> cion: plug it in and see if it works
[04:29] <nikkia> tritium: i'm starting to suspect that the topic needs 'DO NOT ASK ABOUT ROOT PASSWORD, GO HERE...' in big letters :P
[04:29] <Nermie> if not, you may have to use ndiswrapper
[04:29] <Nermie> !wiki ndiswrapper
[04:29] <Amaranth> nikkia: topic if overloaded as it is :)
[04:29] <cion> well U got that fast uh?
[04:29] <nikkia> Amaranth: i know :/
[04:29] <tritium> nikkia, there are many FAQs like that, so I added the "FAQs & User Documentation" section to the topic already.
[04:29] <cion> of course it doesn't work
[04:29] <Nermie> ubuntu: ndiswrapper
[04:30] <Nermie> eep
[04:30] <cion> wll013 needs atmelwlan
[04:30] <nikkia> tritium: yet still about 75% of the questions here are about root password :/
[04:30] <Nermie> ubotu: ndiswrapper
[04:30] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ndiswrapper is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[04:30] <Nermie> there you go :)
[04:30] <tritium> nikkia, and at other times, BinaryDriverHowto, or RestrictedFormats
[04:30] <cion> yeah how do in install atmelwlan
[04:30] <Nermie> modprobe amtel ?
[04:30] <Nermie> or google for it
[04:31] <cion> I did, and I paniked
[04:31] <Nermie> oh
[04:31] <cion> have no idea what to di
[04:31] <cion> do
[04:31] <J_P> I use APT in ubuntu as in Debian
[04:31] <cion> i donwloaded the atmel wlan package from synaptic
[04:31] <Nermie> and installed it ?
[04:32] <Nermie> !info amtelwlan
[04:32] <J_P> ?
[04:32] <Nermie> hmmm
[04:32] <Nermie> J_P: yah
[04:32] <cion> i think so, im newbie
[04:32] <Nermie> then it should work
[04:32] <cion> i dont really know what to do now
[04:32] <Nermie> try configuring it in gnome ?
[04:32] <Nermie> system -> admin -> networking
[04:32] <J_P> Nermie: after I install hoary i do apt-get update and apt-get -f dist-upgrade for get correction bugs right ?
[04:33] <J_P> Nermie: extacly as in debian ?
[04:33] <Nermie> J_P: think so
[04:33] <signius> is there a way to do an apt-get update and exclude any kernel updates ?
[04:34] <signius> i am getting sick of having to re-patch my kernel every time
[04:34] <ubuntu> thast it
[04:34] <ubuntu> con someone remember how to mount a ntfs partition?
[04:34] <cion> it doesnt read it
[04:34] <Nermie> signius: kernel updates are usually security fixes.. you're advised to install them
[04:34] <J_P> ubuntu repository(.deb) are slow ? my conection is very speed and download at 12,7KB
[04:35] <ubuntu> mount -f /hda1 /mnt/partition ?
[04:35] <sJaM> ntfs can only readonly ubntu
[04:35] <Nermie> ubuntu: sudo mount -t ntfs /mnt/<device> <mountpoint>
[04:35] <ubuntu> yes i want to read some divx
[04:35] <signius> the thing is it doesnt list what the specific kernel fix is so it could or would mostly be irrelevant to me
[04:35] <sJaM> well Nermie gave already the command
[04:35] <Nermie> cion: we will need more info
[04:35] <ubuntu> thx
[04:35] <Nermie> signius: breezy ?
[04:35] <ubuntu> the last time y use linux was since....
[04:35] <J_P> nikkia: sudo is more security too ?
[04:35] <sJaM> euh nerbie
[04:35] <ubuntu> 8 years ago
[04:35] <ubuntu> jejej
[04:36] <nikkia> J_P, depends on how its used, but yes, in theory, it is more secure
[04:36] <cion> like what?
[04:36] <concept10> signius, I would like to know that myself.  Some kernel updates do not apply to all architectures
[04:36] <sJaM> isn't it sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/<device> <mountpoint> ?
[04:36] <tritium> signius, you might like apt-listchanges
[04:36] <signius> its just listed as a 386kernel update
[04:36] <Nermie> tritium: ooooooo
[04:36] <J_P> nikkia: ok
[04:36] <signius> even if the details pane on synaptec is doesnt give any details
[04:37] <nikkia> J_P, if used incorrectly, sudo can be far less secure than su :)
[04:37] <concept10> the last kernel update that I have seen was a fix for x86_64
[04:37] <G|immer> how can i prevent other applications from interrupting my UT window?
[04:38] <ubuntu> yes sjam in efective is like you say :d
[04:38] <G|immer> meaning, while playing UT, if an app such as gaim displayes a dialogue, UT switches to window mode, and loses focus. how to prevent that?
[04:38] <concept10> shutdown gaim while you are playing :)
[04:38] <signius> how would i use the apt-listchanges
[04:38] <Nalo> Hello everybody!
[04:38] <Nermie> man  apt-listchanges
[04:39] <Nermie> :)
[04:39] <G|immer> concept10: the problem is that, all other apps can cause this. lol
[04:39] <sJaM> I thought in gaim there is an option that raises windows on events
[04:39] <concept10> G|immer, what apps?
[04:39] <sJaM> perhaps you have it on ?
[04:39] <signius> theres is no such command that i can find thats why i am asking
[04:40] <signius> did you actually try typing man apt-listchages before posting it
[04:40] <Nalo> Have anyone installed and configured a linmodem (winmodem) in ubuntu?
[04:40] <G|immer> concept10: for example, I was now playing while Synaptics was downloading some packages. A problem occured, and I lost UT focus.
[04:40] <ubuntu> mmm
[04:40] <ubuntu> can i play a .avi file from a terminal?
[04:40] <Nermie> signius: no
[04:40] <concept10> G|immer, shouldnt really happen buy why update and play games at the same time?
[04:40] <signius> didnt think so
[04:41] <Nermie> its the universal "how do I use $tool" response
[04:41] <ubuntu> but a terminal running in gnome
[04:41] <concept10> G|immer, thats almost like driving a car with a mechanic working on it
[04:41] <Nermie> ubuntu: sure
[04:41] <Nermie> ubuntu: mplayer <aviname>
[04:41] <expose> Hi.
[04:41] <G|immer> concept10: multi-tasking
[04:41] <ubuntu> il try
[04:41] <Nermie> or mplayer -vo aalib <avifile> to get it in ascii :D
[04:41] <Nermie> you'll need mplayer and the codecs
[04:42] <signius> ah it looks like apt-listchanges is a package in itself that needs to be installed its not part of the standard apt
[04:42] <Nermie> ubotu: w32codecs
[04:42] <ubotu> rumour has it, w32codecs is a set of codecs needed to play many common audio and video formats, such as WMV. You can install w32codecs from the Backports repositories (see: http://backports.ubuntuforums.org).
[04:42] <tritium> signius, the short answer is that you install it, and it should be setup to list changes at each update.  If you want to customize it, read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-listchanges.
[04:42] <ubuntu> it dosent recongnize the program mplayer
[04:42] <Nermie> ubuntu: see above
[04:42] <expose> Just installed ubuntu with default settings every where except that i used reiserfs instead of ext3 --> when i try to boot it there's a init script labled "Enterprise Volume Management System" which doest start and therefor the whole system get's stuck.
[04:42] <expose> What to do? hints? stuff to read, anything?
[04:42] <Nermie> expose: cntrl C it ?
[04:43] <Nermie> :|
[04:43] <concept10> heh
[04:43] <tritium> signius, you can also use "sudo apt-get upgrade -u" after each update, and only decide to upgrade if you agree to the packages to be changed.  If you see a kernel that you don't want updated, only install the other packages.
[04:43] <expose> Nermie: does that work? wont the whole init-process stop or something? let's try. thanks.
[04:44] <Nermie> expose: shouldn't do
[04:44] <J_1> people, where i see all official sources.list availaible for ubuntu stable ?
[04:44] <Nermie> ubuntu: sources.list
[04:44] <Nermie> gah
[04:44] <Nermie> change your nick!
[04:44] <Nermie> ubotu: sources.list
[04:44] <ubotu> Nermie: Are you smoking crack?
[04:45] <Will_> Nermie: Would you like to be smoking crack?
[04:45] <ubuntu> :D
[04:45] <signius> ah ha ok ill try that
[04:45] <signius> i am also reading about this listchange option
[04:45] <expose> Nermie: doesnt work. no common key-comb. works
[04:46] <Nermie> Will_: no
[04:46] <Nermie> J_1: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[04:47] <funkyHat> is nvu likely to be added to the ubuntu repositories any time soon?
[04:47] <tritium> Nermie, just a word of caution about ubuntuguide...
[04:47] <tritium> !ubuntuguide
[04:47] <ubotu> ubuntuguide is, like, a set of instructions with no explanation. Please do not advise people to use ubuntuguide.  Advise https://wiki.ubuntu.com instead. Item 4 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUsersNetworkGuidelines explains why.
[04:47] <Nermie> i know :|
[04:47] <ubuntu> mmm, the totem program dosen`t know about x-vid
[04:47] <Nermie> I couldn't see it on the wiki :|
[04:47] <tritium> no worries, then
[04:47] <ubuntu> the live cd of ubuntu install te x-vid libraries?
[04:47] <Nermie> bit of a slap to the guy who spent time writing it
[04:48] <Nermie> ubuntu: the livecd installs nothing
[04:48] <ubuntu> yes i know
[04:48] <Nermie> no it doesn't
[04:48] <ubuntu> but im testing
[04:48] <Nermie> xvid is not gpl
[04:48] <Nermie> so unlikely to be on the livecd
[04:49] <pef> hello
[04:49] <ubuntu> ahhh ok, so y can`t play divx right?
[04:49] <Nermie> not off the livecd no
[04:49] <Nermie> but you can if you install ubuntu
[04:50] <selinium> how do i instal from a tarball?
[04:51] <Whistler> ./configure, make, make install
[04:52] <tritium> selinium, you might try using checkinstall to make a .deb from it
[04:52] <funkyHat> selinium, extract the archive, cd to the folder with 'configure' in it
[04:52] <funkyHat> then do what he said ^
[04:53] <J_1> Nermie: then oficial and supported by ubuntu are 3 : deb http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted; deb http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted and deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted ?
[04:53] <selinium> funkyhat: cheers, i understnad that! thanks all!
[04:53] <pef> Whistler: you want to install a program not in .deb format ?
[04:53] <J_1> Nermie: this above are right ?
[04:53] <J_1> Nermie: i put br, but can other language
[04:55] <OdiiN> anyone can take a look at this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/673
[04:55] <selinium> Whistler funkyHat: i have unpacked it and navigated to the file but no configure... What now?
[04:56] <funkyHat> there's no configure? is it in a sub-directory?
[04:57] <erchache> hello
[04:57] <tritium> selinium, did you install the checkinstall package?
[04:57] <J_1> Nermie: are here ?
[04:57] <erchache> i lost my connection to my ssh server....
[04:57] <erchache> i restart and runs....at 30 minutes aprox. fails connection
[04:57] <teprrr> hmm, so, no schedule when breezy's X will be working again?
[04:57] <erchache> how i can do to solve it?
[04:57] <erchache> because i have 2 machines more with hoary and doesnt happs this
[04:58] <selinium> tritium: not that i know off
[04:58] <tritium> teprrr, it's in development, so there's no real schedule.  It'll get fixed in the course of development.  Please see the topic.  You're encouraged not to run breezy.
[05:00] <selinium> tritium: I hav enow install the checkinstall package.
[05:01] <J_1> anyone can ell me if I am right ? Oficial and supported by ubuntu are 3 : deb http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted; deb http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted and deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted; This is right ?
[05:01] <teprrr> tritium, yes I know, but uh, I'd seriously make my comp work again...
[05:01] <selinium> tritium: i am trying to install zsnes142src.tar.gz
[05:01] <tritium> selinium, super.  I encourage you to use that.
[05:01] <teprrr> and as I can't downgrade to hoary, well, it sucks :)
[05:01] <teprrr> just thinking should I wait for it to be fixed or try something else..
[05:01] <selinium> tritium: what would the command be to convert it into a deb?
[05:02] <tritium> teprrr, I was also trying to point you to the topic about using X 6.8.2-36 or lower
[05:02] <tritium> teprrr, you can grab .debs from archive.ubuntu.com
[05:02] <DeCaoS> How enable Full Text Indexing in postgres ?? help me :$
[05:02] <teprrr> hmm, well, mmh
[05:03] <teprrr> tritium, how much packages I need to take manually from there then?
[05:03] <teprrr> browsing with lynx is, hmm, interesting :)
[05:03] <teprrr> s/lynx/links
[05:03] <nikkia> s/links/elinks/ :)
[05:03] <dawkirst> Hello. Do anyone know of an equivalent of Microsoft Access for Linux?
[05:03] <tritium> teprrr, I would grab all the xorg packages that you currently have installed, but use the -36 ones
[05:04] <selinium> dawkirst: have you use mysql?
[05:04] <tritium> dawkirst, the upcoming openoffice.org2 will have something very similar.
[05:04] <nikkia> teprrr: there's a lot to be said for w3m in an xterm :)
[05:04] <tritium> selinium, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/147
[05:04] <selinium> tritium: what would the command be to convert zsnes142src.tar.gz into a deb?
[05:05] <dawkirst> selinium, no. It's not freeware, is it? tritium, that's goof news -- when will it be released?
[05:05] <ninnghizidha> Good Morning!
[05:05] <zAo^> morning? well.. hmm ;-)
[05:05] <tritium> selinium, I just gave you a nice URL that is much more informative than I can be.
[05:05] <ninnghizidha> I got problems with the rights of a mount-point.
[05:05] <tritium> good morning, ninnghizidha
[05:05] <chillywilly> why are there no 2.4.x kernels in the archives?
[05:05] <zAo^> ninnghizidha, Tue Jul 19 17:05:39 CEST 2005 :)
[05:05] <selinium> tritium: sorry, I cant touch type, by the time I look back at the screen! ... lol
[05:05] <teprrr> tritium, so you're saying that there's no easy way to do it? I assume all of them aren't in x dir..
[05:05] <tritium> dawkirst, betas are available now in the openoffice.org2 packages
[05:06] <ninnghizidha> THAT LATE already!!!
[05:06] <ninnghizidha> *yawn*
[05:06] <zAo^> :D
[05:06] <selinium> dawkirst: mysql is a 'proper' database. yes it is freeware
[05:06] <tritium> teprrr, you'll have to do it manually at this point, or possibly use apt pinning on xorg packages to pin them to a specific version
[05:07] <ninnghizidha> I added a FAT32-mount and after the mount it doesn't belong to the user.
[05:07] <teprrr> tritium, hmm. I'd prefer pinning, but the problem is which packages should I pin? would x-window-system-core force apt to get other ones too?
[05:08] <tritium> teprrr, not sure.  give it a try, I guess.
[05:09] <teprrr> tritium, well, I guess I have to.. thanks for your help :)
[05:09] <tritium> good luck, teprrr
[05:09] <funkyHat> how can i remove an item from the gnome-panel menu?
[05:10] <ninnghizidha> may i ask how the user 1000 can read and write to an mounted fat-partition?
[05:11] <funkyHat> are you mounting it with fstab?
[05:11] <ninnghizidha> i already sat the options of that mouintpoint to umask=000.
[05:11] <ninnghizidha> yes, it is.
[05:12] <funkyHat> add uid=1000
[05:12] <ninnghizidha> i sat the umask to 000, shall i sat the uid explicit to 1000?
[05:13] <funkyHat> did you try it with umask=000?
[05:13] <ninnghizidha> thats what i got now.
[05:13] <chillywilly> are there any 2.4.x kernels in the archives?
[05:13] <Davey|Work> Howdy :
[05:13] <Davey|Work> :)
[05:13] <tritium> dawkirst, this is the openoffice database package that will be in breezy: http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/editors/openoffice.org2-base
[05:14] <ninnghizidha> some directories are write only, and the permissions are not changeable, cause i'm not the owner of these files.
[05:14] <ninnghizidha> (but I am ;-))
[05:14] <funkyHat> only some directories?
[05:15] <ninnghizidha> i guess so, yes.
[05:15] <funkyHat> that happens to me as well, i don't know why though
[05:15] <funkyHat> well, setting uid=1000 will fix that
[05:15] <ninnghizidha> oh .. thats anoying ...
[05:15] <funkyHat> (i can change the permissions)
[05:15] <dawkirst> tritium, ty.
[05:15] <ninnghizidha> oh! great!
[05:15] <ninnghizidha> :-)
[05:15] <cion> need help with wireless usb device installation
[05:16] <ninnghizidha> i can remount from fstab via mount -a .. am i right?
[05:16] <funkyHat> i think you must umount the partition in question first
[05:16] <funkyHat> but yes
[05:16] <cion> how do I install a wireless usb device?
[05:19] <illogic-al> howdy fellers
[05:19] <illogic-al> can anyone tell me why ubuntu's shells don't source my ~/.bash* files?
[05:20] <MIK3MAN> any bittorrent gurus in the house?? my bt aint connecting, I have the proper ports forwarded and it worked fine on other distros. Someone wanna try and help??
[05:21] <selinium> tritium: Have followed the instructions down to 'make' then it errors, make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.
[05:21] <MIK3MAN> cion: is it an external USB wifi card?
[05:22] <tritium> selinium, sounds like a problem specific to the tarball you're using.
[05:22] <[2] BoxingFiend> sel: make sure you are in the directory when executing make
[05:22] <Sputn1k> how to add monitor refresh rate 100Hz?
[05:22] <ninnghizidha> i guess it worked with uid=1000 :-)
[05:22] <ninnghizidha> thanks a lot
[05:23] <ninnghizidha> ls
[05:23] <ninnghizidha> hehe
[05:24] <teprrr> tritium, hmm. I see x-window-system-core_6.8.2-10 on archive.ubuntu.com but pinning with "Pin: version 6.8.2-10" doesn't get any results.. neither wajig policy show anything else but that one version of that package
[05:25] <tritium> teprrr, okay, sorry.  I guess you should try the manual method.
[05:26] <Sputn1k> how to update 4.1 to 5.04?
[05:26] <illogic-al> can anyone tell me why ubuntu's shells don't source my ~/.bash* files?
[05:31] <[Spooky] > is there any place to download a legal wma file for testing in xmms ?
[05:31] <anders> hello all
[05:31] <ninnghizidha> you can make your own in windows.
[05:32] <anders> I must say that my english is not good by rigthing but getting better
[05:32] <Sputn1k> how to update ubuntu 4.10 to 5.04??
[05:33] <[Spooky] > ninnghizidha: hm... Windows ? :)
[05:33] <zever> Sputn1k, change you're sources.list and do a dist-upgrade
[05:33] <anders> dont no is my first time whigt this linux
[05:33] <Sputn1k> zever end which server can update my ubuntu?
[05:33] <deFrysk> anders, just maka a wma file in windows and try it in linux
[05:34] <zever> Sputn1k, server?
[05:34] <Din> hay
[05:34] <anders> okay
[05:34] <Din> how much it take ubunto linux
[05:34] <Din> space
[05:35] <anders> can som tell me how i get up an ftp sever ?
[05:35] <teprrr> hmm, what's the password for ftp://archive.ubuntu.com
[05:35] <^rob^> hi
[05:35] <anders> hello
[05:35] <teprrr> for anonymous access
[05:35] <zever> Sputn1k, put pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/38 in you're sources.list and update it
[05:35] <deFrysk> full moon today ? ;p
[05:36] <Din> am ubunto have ipv6 support
[05:36] <anders> wow cant see the moon to night '
[05:36] <Sputn1k> emm how to update it ?):
[05:36] <anders> we have rain all day
[05:36] <^rob^> can somebody help me with ftpchroot? - i have installed ftpd - put my name in ftpchroot - to be chrooted - but after login ls show nothing
[05:36] <anders> defysk ho are you?
[05:37] <^rob^> is ftpd compiled with internal ls ?
[05:37] <Din> ipv6 yes or no
[05:37] <^rob^> yes
[05:37] <^rob^> Din ubuntu support ipv6
[05:37] <deFrysk> anders, but rabobank cycle team has a great mountainier
[05:37] <Din> ok tnx
[05:37] <Sputn1k> how to update apt-get sources list?
[05:37] <^rob^> Sputn1k: sudo apt-get update
[05:38] <^rob^> anyone on ftpd??
[05:38] <Sputn1k> jurgis@ubuntu:~ $ sudo apt-get update
[05:38] <Sputn1k> Reading Package Lists... Done
[05:38] <Sputn1k> jurgis@ubuntu:~ $
[05:38] <Sputn1k> ://
[05:38] <anders> how's that ?
[05:38] <teprrr> ah, wget does it automatically..
[05:38] <^rob^> Sputn1k: seek an apt server for you -
[05:39] <Sputn1k> so my sourves list is empty?
[05:39] <Sputn1k> sources
[05:39] <^rob^> you must have in /etc/apt/sources.list a deb http://servername
[05:39] <anders> how's that ?
[05:40] <guillem> Is it safe to use linux-image-2.6.11-1 which is not in ubuntu but at universe or multiverse?
[05:40] <anders> ? how do i chat privat whigt a person ??
[05:40] <topyli> Sputn1k: well, see if it's empty or not
[05:40] <guillem> Furthermore, if I have an athlon64, do I use the -generic or the -K8 version of the kernel?
[05:41] <teprrr> ah, got it to download :)
[05:41] <deFrysk> anders, /msg <nick> and dont test it on me please
[05:41] <Sputn1k> topyli can somyvody give to me ubuntu sources.list sample?
[05:41] <anders> hehe
[05:41] <ninnghizidha> does anybody knows about aMule and kadmelia?
[05:42] <deFrysk> anders, if you wish to private anyone ask for permissin first
[05:42] <anders> okay :)
[05:42] <guillem> ninnghizidha, as far as I know, amule works fine
[05:42] <khermans> Anyone know how to convert a whole slew of JPG files into an MPEG movie?
[05:42] <Sputn1k> please...
[05:42] <ninnghizidha> i have it running, but i cant find a switch to turn kadmelia on ... just local/global serrch :-/
[05:43] <^rob^> Sputn1k: deb ftp://ftp.lug.ro/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multiverse
[05:43] <topyli> Sputn1k: mine is at http://siltala.net/comp/sources.list IIRC
[05:43] <guillem> khermans, "convert" command from imagemagik if I recall correctly might do
[05:43] <anders> about the ftp thing whit one shal i download fore this Ubuntu ?
[05:43] <Sputn1k> tnx
[05:44] <laura> ??
[05:44] <topyli> Sputn1k: i don't recommend copying anything from there that's below the ##UNOFFICIAL line
[05:44] <laura> ???
[05:44] <laura> hello????
[05:44] <Sputn1k> haj
[05:44] <anders> hi
[05:44] <Sputn1k> :)
[05:44] <laura> english?? :o
[05:44] <topyli> Sputn1k: some of that stuff is not exactly stable :)
[05:44] <deFrysk> laura, if dutch try #ubuntu-nl
[05:44] <^rob^> Sputn1k: use one official - nearest you - i just sent you the deb line how to make it
[05:44] <anders> yep but i are from denmark if that helps
[05:45] <Virtuall>  You are not an official translator for this file. You can still make suggestions, and your translations will be stored and reviewed for acceptance later by the designated translators. how can I become an official translator?!
[05:45] <tobi_> daniels: any news regarding xkb :) ?
[05:45] <anders> some one playing world of warcraft ??
[05:45] <daniels> tobi_: not yet, sorry
[05:45] <MIK3MAN> what is the terminal command to delete a folder?
[05:45] <tobi_> :(
[05:46] <teferi> rmdir
[05:46] <MIK3MAN> thanks
[05:46] <teferi> the directory has to be empty first, though
[05:46] <topyli> MIK3MAN: rmdir for empty directories
[05:46] <Equis> Can the whole OS be moved to a different drive without repartioning/reinstalling?
[05:46] <DeCaoS> How enable Full Text Indexing in postgres ??
[05:46] <teferi> if it has stuff in it, rm -rf
[05:46] <teferi> but be careful with that!
[05:46] <deFrysk> MIK3MAN, if force is needed , rm -rf <folder>
[05:46] <teferi> rm -rf is the nuclear bomb of file deletion tools
[05:46] <topyli> heh
[05:47] <Equis> I basically have a clean install now, but want to move it to a smaller dirve to open up the larger drive for a file server
[05:47] <anders> lol
[05:47] <anders> whel i better get my net radio up and running
[05:48] <bojangles>  MIK3MAN sometimes it is the file that is not available...not necessarily a problem with bittorrent
[05:48] <anders> see you all lather :)
[05:48] <DeCaoS> anybody know how enable Full Text Indexing ??
[05:49] <bojangles> MIK3MAN, try the big ubuntu dvd torrent....that should connect as there are a lot of people that like to transfer that one around
[05:50] <PinnedBot> Hey, does anyone know how to enable X connection forwarding in the default ssh client on ubuntu?
[05:50] <PinnedBot> or any other suggestions?
[05:50] <PinnedBot> thanks.
[05:50] <tritium> PinnedBot, use the -X switch
[05:51] <thomas_> Hi
[05:51] <Sionide> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=50198 can anyone help me out on this one??
[05:53] <MIK3MAN> bojangles: I got gnome bt working now, but I want to tweak bittornado (namely shadows experimental) cause I am used to it and I like to see whats going on. I know that synaptic has a package for it, but that one is not working, so it looks like I may have to get my hands dirty. Any advise would really help. Just PM me. Thanks again
[05:53] <PinnedBot> tritium, could you please tell me where the -X switch is? I tried sudo X, but it outputs: "Server is already active for display 0"...
[05:53] <PinnedBot> along with other things, I guess
[05:54] <tritium> PinnedBot, sorry, I meant as in "ssh -X <hostname>"
[05:55] <bojangles> MIK3MAN, well i haven't used bittornado in a long time...i never boot to windows anymore now that i have mingnu working on wine
[05:55] <Amaranth> Sionide: is nautilus running?
[05:55] <tritium> PinnedBot, there's also a "ForwardX11" configuration option you can set in your $HOME/.ssh/config
[05:55] <bojangles> MIK3MAN, so i just don't know.
[05:56] <Spec> Hello, squirrel.
[05:56] <MIK3MAN> bojangles: got it working!!
[05:56] <tritium> PinnedBot, if that's not enough info, please see the ssh manpage.
[05:57] <PinnedBot> tritium, thank you so much! it works with the -X switch!
[05:57] <bojangles> MIK3MAN, ok if you like it...it did have some nice features.
[05:57] <tritium> PinnedBot, I'm glad.  :)
[05:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> :::yawn::: morning all >.<
[05:57] <thomas_> morning :S ?
[05:57] <Davey|Work> anyone here managed to get the Proprietary ATI drivers to run Dual Screen (Xinerama) + 3D on a Radeon 9600 yet?
[05:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> well here it is anyway >.<
[05:57] <thomas_> :D
[05:58] <Sionide> Amaranth, well i guess not, i have to open up my home dir or something then it gets the desktop
[05:58] <Amaranth> Sionide: Ok, you need to add nautilus to your session
[05:58] <Amaranth> Sionide: iirc it's System->Preferences->Session
[05:58] <Sionide> yeah
[05:58] <Sionide> i hate the way sessions are organised
[05:58] <MIK3MAN> bojangles: ummm ok wait... it was downloading at like 100+K, and I see how many seeds I am connected to, but when I click advanced there is nothing... gonna try another torrent
[05:59] <MIK3MAN> hold on
[05:59] <bojangles> MIK3MAN, well the big ubuntu dvd torrent is usually alive.
[05:59] <bojangles> MIK3MAN, i am not sure if it is any good....but it is useful for testing activity
[06:01] <MrKeuner> hi I have to disks I have carelessly written ubuntu 5.04 on them. is there a way to understand which one is live and which one is install? without booting :)
[06:02] <bojangles> MrKeuner, check the md5sums
[06:02] <Amaranth> MrKeuner: The live cd will pop up a thing to install windows software on a windows machine
[06:02] <Amaranth> MrKeuner: the install cd will pop up a dialog about using it to upgrade or install things on an ubuntu machine
[06:03] <MrKeuner> I only have a debian machine :)
[06:04] <beu> o.O
[06:04] <MIK3MAN> bojangles: I do have it working, it was cause the last torrent was complete. :)
[06:04] <bojangles> MIK3MAN, well i have found that you can do all the windows development you want to without ever even using windows
[06:04] <MrKeuner> Amaranth/ one of them does not have a start.exe on it. that should be the install cd?
[06:04] <Amaranth> yep
[06:04] <MrKeuner> thanks
[06:05] <MIK3MAN> bojangles: I am starting to realize that
[06:05] <Sionide> Amaranth, its in my default session but it had a "restart" flag on it, what does that mean??
[06:05] <^rob^> can somebody help me chroot on ftpd?
[06:05] <bojangles> MIK3MAN, yes really makes you wonder why people buy windows.....you can develop everything for windows without ever using windows at all
[06:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok i'm looking at a webpage that offers a breath/alchahol analizer on your car key ring
[06:06] <MIK3MAN> My next project is going to be desktop customization
[06:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> now what freakin rockets scientist though that one up
[06:06] <thenuke> ChurcH_of_FoamY: ?
[06:06] <rattler414> a drunken one maybe
[06:06] <thenuke> whats wrong with that?
[06:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> must be
[06:06] <MIK3MAN> how do people get those cool widgets showing CPU usage and stuff?
[06:06] <Sionide> apt-get install gkrellm
[06:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> well um your drunk wanna go home so um you know how drunk people are
[06:07] <Sionide> ^^ for cpu usage
[06:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> they don't always think
[06:07] <thenuke> ChurcH_of_FoamY: what?-D :D
[06:07] <Sionide> ChurcH_of_FoamY, stupid- you shouldn't drive if you've had ANYTHING to drink :/
[06:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea
[06:07] <Amaranth> Sionide: no idea
[06:07] <Sionide> sessions are stupid!
[06:07] <thenuke> Sionide: well sometimes you drink and wait some time and then drive and you may or may not still have alcohol in your blood.
[06:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so encourage people by selling them this gizmo for 50 bucks .>.<
[06:08] <thenuke> Sionide: so that is also a reason to have that analyzer keyring for example