[12:37] <DanaG> Hmm, new in capplets-data: "Use CTRL-ALT-DEL as default keybinding for 'Log out' window"
[12:37] <DanaG> How do I prevent that?
[12:39] <DanaG> And why does gcc never have changelogs?
[12:40] <Pici> I always see the gcc changelogs
[12:40] <DanaG> E: Couldn't fetch URL http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/g/gcc-defaults/gcc-defaults_4.1.2-2ubuntu6/changelog
[12:40] <Pici> I just use aptitude and I have apt-listchanges installed
[12:40] <DanaG> I like to see changelogs before I install.
[12:40] <Pici> it does do it before it installs
[12:41] <Pici> but it does download the packages first
[12:42] <DanaG> Hmm, nice tip!  apt-listchanges sounds cool.
[12:42] <DanaG> I'm installing it now.
[12:46] <xorl> Ok, so I have this weird issue in gutsy trying to fix it, but not getting anywhere, gnome-panel just started jumping to 100% usage i checked for the xdg menus bug, but that was clear, it's something else
[12:46] <xorl> gonna try this out
[12:48] <Stormx2> FFS.
[12:48] <Stormx2> I want azureus to work :(
[12:49] <xorl> I just want gnome-panel back :(
[12:49] <xorl> brb
[12:51] <xorl> yeah that didn't work
[12:51] <xorl> odd
[12:51] <xorl> I removed .gnome* .gconf*
[12:51] <xorl> restart X
[12:51] <xorl> and yeah, gnome-panel still blank with 100% cpu usage
[12:53] <jscinoz_> hey everyone
[12:54] <jscinoz_> im using Gutsy tribe 4 on a xps m1330, i cant seem to get the proper nvidia drivers to install, and when they do install, X halts when anything requiring hardware acceleration occurs, and requiers a hard reboot. any ideas what i should do?
[12:56] <voidmage> jscinoz_: what nvidia card is it?
[12:56] <voidmage> i'm not familiar with dell's models
[12:58] <jscinoz_> 8400M GS
[12:59] <jscinoz_> im writing this from bitchx as i cant start X atm
[12:59] <voidmage> hmm.
[12:59] <voidmage> you might need the 100 series cards
[01:00] <voidmage> drivers*
[01:01] <voidmage> yeah
[01:01] <voidmage> you do
[01:02] <voidmage> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_100.14.11.html
[01:02] <voidmage> make sure to install build-essential if you haven't already
[01:02] <jscinoz_> those are the ones i used
[01:02] <voidmage> oh
[01:02] <voidmage> hmm.
[01:02] <DanaG> And then you have to disable nv and nvidia_new from /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common
[01:02] <jscinoz_> 100.14.11
[01:02] <jscinoz_> ok dana ill try that
[01:02] <voidmage> oh yeah, forgot about that part
[01:02] <DanaG> And then reinstall the nvidia drivers.
[01:02] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/105756
[01:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 105756 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "DISABLED_MODULES="nv" doesn't stop nvidia_new.ko from loading" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:03] <jscinoz_> alright reinstalling drivers now
[01:03] <jscinoz_> one other thing
[01:04] <jscinoz_> how do i change the keyboard layout in console?
[01:04] <jscinoz_> its stuck on us international which makes doing quotes and tilde's annoying
[01:06] <DanaG> sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[01:08] <jscinoz_> cheers
[01:10] <jscinoz_> alright X started this time.. lets see if we have hardware acceleration or if it crashes the system
[01:11] <jscinoz_> gah, i have that bug i had with beryl back on 7.04, no window decorations and terminal is purely white, how can i fix that?
[01:21] <DanaG> Oh, make sure xorg.conf mentions argb glx visuals.
[01:21] <DanaG> Or just sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals
[01:23] <fsckr> anyone alive in here :)
[01:23] <d4rkmonkey> I am!
[01:24] <nr5-ubuntu> im too
[01:24] <d4rkmonkey> no you aren't.
[01:24] <fsckr> have you had any issues with firefox with gutsy?
[01:24] <d4rkmonkey> you're obviously a zombie nr5-ubuntu
[01:24] <d4rkmonkey> fsckr, nope, are you running kubuntu? I heard there were some issues there
[01:24] <nr5-ubuntu> d4rkmonkey,  how come u think so... do i stink?
[01:24] <fsckr> any link I click on firefox stops responding....and also i can't do anything with the preferences it does the same thing
[01:25] <d4rkmonkey> nr5-ubuntu, maybe... lol
[01:25] <fsckr> no not kubuntu
[01:25] <d4rkmonkey> fsckr, thats weird, its working fine for m
[01:25] <d4rkmonkey> *me
[01:25] <fsckr> hmmm
[01:25] <fsckr> this is a fresh install too
[01:25] <d4rkmonkey> mine isn't
[01:25] <d4rkmonkey> ;)
[01:26] <jscinoz_> Gah i still cant get hardware acceleration with the nvidia driver, and when something requests it, my entire  system hangs....
[01:26] <d4rkmonkey> that sucks.
[01:26] <d4rkmonkey> do you know if you need hardware acceleration for Grid Wars 2?
[01:26] <DanaG> Hmm, look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:27] <fsckr> im goin to reboot see what happens
[01:28] <nr5-ubuntu> d4rkmonkey, you can render anything in software ;)
[01:28] <d4rkmonkey> nr5-ubuntu, Grid Wars 2 doesn't work on my comp :(
[01:28] <w00t_> what's the process for getting a package version bumped [gutsy, of course] ? I've got a crash on start for a gnome program that apparantly was fixed upstream by them
[01:30] <nr5-ubuntu> d4rkmonkey, yes i think this uses openGL but MESA-SDL should be able to render this in software
[01:31] <d4rkmonkey> nr5-ubuntu, openGL works fine on my computer and I have no idea what MESA-SDL is
[01:33] <fsckr> hmmm i dont understand why my firefox is borked
[01:33] <w00t_> anyone?
[01:33] <w00t_> don't all come screaming at once :p
[01:33] <nr5-ubuntu> d4rkmonkey, xdriinfo and glxinfo are true both?
[01:33] <fsckr> sorry w00t_ didn't see your question i just logged on
[01:34] <d4rkmonkey> nr5-ubuntu, you zombies know much more than me.. what are those?
[01:34] <w00t_> [00:28:47]  <w00t_> what's the process for getting a package version bumped [gutsy, of course] ? I've got a crash on start for a gnome program that apparantly was fixed upstream by them <-
[01:34] <w00t_> :)
[01:35] <fsckr> o can't answer that one sorry
[01:36] <nr5-ubuntu> d4rkmonkey, just type "xdriinfo" in your terminal and then "glxinfo|less" there you should see if everything works
[01:37] <d4rkmonkey> glxinfo|less gave me a hell of alot of things I don't understand
[01:37] <nr5-ubuntu> d4rkmonkey, just watch the first 4 lines
[01:37] <d4rkmonkey> says direct rendering: Yes
[01:37] <d4rkmonkey> name of display: :0.0
[01:37] <d4rkmonkey> display: :0  screen: 0
[01:37] <d4rkmonkey> direct rendering: Yes
[01:37] <d4rkmonkey> server glx vendor string: SGI
[01:38] <fsckr> hmm can someone tell me how to add icons to gutsy?  You can't just go to appearance and install....
[01:38] <d4rkmonkey> and xdriinfo just says Screen 0: i965
[01:38] <nr5-ubuntu> great then your card seems to be completely installed
[01:38] <d4rkmonkey> yeah, its weird that Grid Wars 2 doesn't work.. it just freezes X and I can't restart X
[01:39] <Pici> fsckr: usually you just drag the icon tar.gz over the appearance window
[01:39] <nr5-ubuntu> d4rkmonkey, can you run /usr/lib/xscreensaver/biof -o
[01:39] <d4rkmonkey> it does the same thing using any program with OpenGL in feisty does on this comp
[01:39] <d4rkmonkey> one sec, I'll check
[01:39] <fsckr> yea Pici i tried that
[01:39] <nr5-ubuntu> eek
[01:39] <d4rkmonkey> yup, it works fine nr5-ubuntu
[01:40] <nr5-ubuntu> so should grid wars too... did you set NvAGP in your xorg.conf?
[01:40] <jscinoz_> hey guys
[01:41] <d4rkmonkey> nr5-ubuntu, uhh I don't know entirely... my xorg.conf is kind of weird cus of the fixes I had to do in Feisty for my video card.
[01:41] <jscinoz_> I installed the nvidia driver v100.14.11, then added nv and nvidia-new to the blacklist, now X starts with the nvidia driver, but i have no window decorations, and terminal is just a white box. Also if anything tries to use 3d accleration the entire system hangs requiring a hard reboot. my GPU is an 8400M GS, and im on a santa rosa chipset.
[01:42] <fsckr> !nvdeco
[01:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nvdeco - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:42] <nr5-ubuntu> d4rkmonkey, ok dont touch... *G* as long as it works you may choose to leave it like that ;)
[01:42] <d4rkmonkey> nr5-ubuntu, ok.
[01:43] <fsckr> jscinoz_, sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals
[01:43] <jscinoz_> talright...
[01:43] <d4rkmonkey> hmm, I'm going to try and put in the default xorg.conf file I have (I backed it up a while ago) and see if that works...
[01:44] <nr5-ubuntu> d4rkmonkey, i recently installed a nvidia gt8500 with BETA drivers, as the system kept crashing i switched some options regarding irqs and correctly installed the CPU cooling, now this box runs stable =)
[01:44] <slavik`lap> so, fglrx is still crap?
[01:44] <d4rkmonkey> ok
[01:44] <d4rkmonkey> I'm not using nvidia though... using intel GM 965 chipset (its a laptop)
[01:45] <d4rkmonkey> brb
[01:46] <fsckr> where is the link for the tribe 4 release?
[01:46] <jscinoz_> fsckr, done, still no decorations
[01:47] <jscinoz_> also i still have that problem where if something request 3d acceleratoin my system hangs
[01:47] <fsckr> restart x
[01:47] <jscinoz_> i did...
[01:48] <fsckr> ok the topic says tribe 4 released but its not on the d/l page?
[01:48] <jscinoz_> i'm using tribe 4
[01:49] <jscinoz_> cdimage.ubuntu.com and it was in there somewhere
[01:49] <jscinoz_> cant be much more specific as i dont have access to a webbroswer
[01:49] <fsckr> blah firefox is borked all to hell...can't even go to that page
[01:50] <jscinoz_> >_<
[01:50] <nr5-ubuntu> fsckr, whaa... iceweasel epiphany dillo links opera
[01:50] <jscinoz_> so any idea why i dont have 3d accel even with the nvidia driver?
[01:50] <jscinoz_> or window decorations
[01:51] <nr5-ubuntu> jscinoz_, i had a similar issue but i dont know how to fix
[01:51] <fsckr> jscinoz_, what do you get when you type glxinfo in terminal
[01:51] <jscinoz_> you sad "had" as if you fixed it
[01:51] <d4rkmonkey> changes back to default xorg.conf, restarted and went into recoverymode to reconfigre, got it working again with not-super edited xorg.conf, now I gotta install gridwars2 to see if it'll run
[01:52] <jscinoz_> fsckr i cannot run terminal in X as it appears entirely white (part of the no decorations bug)
[01:52] <fsckr> press alt-f2 and type in metacity --replace
[01:52] <jscinoz_> hangs my system..
[01:52] <fsckr> and do you have this in your xorg.conf? Option         "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
[01:53] <jscinoz_> yes
[01:53] <jscinoz_> in the screen section
[01:53] <fsckr> you can't alt-f2 to run a command?
[01:53] <jscinoz_> basically, if i alt-f2 and type metacity --replace my system hangs and needs a hard reboot
[01:54] <jscinoz_> and if i open terminal its entirely white, so its unusable
[01:54] <fsckr> can you go to system<preference<appearnace<desktop affects and turn that off?
[01:55] <jscinoz_> not listed in menu, whats the command to open that applet?
[01:56] <fsckr> to be honest i dunno...i just installed gutsy this morning.  I dont know why you dont have that option
[01:56] <jscinoz_> can you check for me
[01:56] <jscinoz_> right click menus, edit, go to system-admin, find desktop effects, right click, launcher properties
[01:56] <jscinoz_> and tell me the command line
[01:57] <jscinoz_> also, if i have X running and a switch to one of the tty consoles, when i switch back to X the screen is purely white and i need to restart x
[01:57] <fsckr> gnome-appearance-properties
[01:58] <d4rkmonkey> it took longer to crash this tiem!
[01:58] <d4rkmonkey> *time
[01:58] <d4rkmonkey> I hope I didn't break my OpenGL not crashing my comp...
[01:58] <d4rkmonkey> nope, just grid wars
[01:59] <jscinoz_> ok thanks
[02:01] <jscinoz> no good
[02:01] <jscinoz> second i clicked no effects, system hung
[02:01] <jscinoz> im just going to apt-get remove compiz
[02:01] <jscinoz> then i can atleast have window decorations
[02:01] <jscinoz> alright, thats done, time to see if glxgears kills my system
[02:02] <jscinoz> whee it didnt break it
[02:02] <jscinoz> therfore, compiz is the cause of all the problems >_<
[02:04] <jscinoz> wow, i'm impressed, apart from compiz breaking GLX, Gutsy got nearly everythign right. Multimedia keys, laptop remote, 802.11N, bluetooth all working
[02:14] <nedw> should i wait for tribe 5 or download a tribe 4 cd now for my laptop?
[02:17] <nedw> *cough*
[02:23] <nr5-ubuntu> right click here dragndrop there then type in your password and the worldsgonna be allryte sounds like some bobmarley stuff %)
[02:29] <d4rkmonkey> ok.. this sucks. All the windows on my laptop are white.
[02:30] <d4rkmonkey> I can do commands in the terminal, but I can't see what I'm writing
[02:30] <d4rkmonkey> how to I turn off compiz-fusion?
[02:30] <d4rkmonkey> *do
[02:30] <d4rkmonkey> through terminal
[02:31] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: Nvidia, right?
[02:31] <d4rkmonkey> nope
[02:31] <d4rkmonkey> intel
[02:31] <d4rkmonkey> I enabled something I shouldn't have
[02:31] <d4rkmonkey> everything went white XD
[02:31] <RAOF> Hm.  That would be compiz.
[02:31] <d4rkmonkey> yup
[02:31] <d4rkmonkey> I just need to disable compiz
[02:32] <d4rkmonkey> I can open up a terminal
[02:32] <d4rkmonkey> and I can run commands
[02:32] <RAOF> But that should just work for you - your drivers don't suck!
[02:32] <d4rkmonkey> lol
[02:32] <d4rkmonkey> i enabled some weird reflective thing
[02:32] <d4rkmonkey> I duno
[02:32] <RAOF> At least, don't suck too badly.
[02:32] <RAOF> Aaaah
[02:32] <RAOF> Ctrl+Alt+F1 is your friend.
[02:32] <d4rkmonkey> whats that do?
[02:33] <d4rkmonkey> RAOF I can open up a terminal (I have it on ctrl+alt+t) I just need command to kill desktop effects...
[02:36] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: Oh, sorry.  "metacity --replace!
[02:36] <RAOF> d4rkmonkey: Oh, sorry.  "metacity --replace"
[02:36] <d4rkmonkey> ok
[02:36] <d4rkmonkey> thanks
[02:42] <johnnybuoy> hi all!
[02:43] <johnnybuoy> I just tried installing gutsy and met a problem in the installer
[02:43] <johnnybuoy> (tribe 4)
[02:43] <johnnybuoy> the problem was that I have a separate /boot partition
[02:43] <johnnybuoy> and I set the partitioner up so that it uses the /boot partition
[02:44] <johnnybuoy> now it told me it wouldn't advance because /boot wasn't marked for format
[02:44] <Marco> I just downloaded the 2.6.23-rc3 patch and I've uncompressed it and placed it in the 2.6.22 source directory
[02:44] <Marco> how do I go about actually performing the patch?
[02:44] <johnnybuoy> which pretty much beats the purpose of having a /boot partition...
[02:45] <johnnybuoy> Marco, don't put it in the source directory
[02:45] <johnnybuoy> you do " patch -p0 < /path/to/patch"
[02:45] <johnnybuoy> or " patch -p1 < /path/to/patch"
[02:45] <johnnybuoy> iirc
[02:46] <johnnybuoy> in the root directory of your kernel
[02:46] <johnnybuoy> (if i understand right it's the kernel that you want to patch)
[02:47] <Marco> oh, woops
[02:47] <Marco> I was trying to patch the source I got off apt
[02:47] <Marco> and I just remembered that ubuntu sources != vanilla sources
[02:47] <johnnybuoy> yep
[02:48] <johnnybuoy> but it could work
[02:48] <johnnybuoy> see it
[02:48] <Stormx2> Could someone suggest a working CD burner for gutsy?
[02:48] <Marco> will I still get the boot splash
[02:48] <Stormx2> k3b is borked, serpentine is borked...
[02:48] <Marco> with vanilla sources?
[02:48] <johnnybuoy> Marco, try it, if the patch applies cleanly it should, yes
[02:48] <johnnybuoy> Marco, well, I don't know about that
[02:48] <johnnybuoy> Marco, just try applying the patch to the ubuntu sources
[02:49] <Marco> I'm patching to 2.6.23rc3 to try out the new cpu scheduler
[02:49] <Marco> supposedly it's supposed to work miracles
[02:49] <johnnybuoy> oh?
[02:49] <johnnybuoy> :-P
[02:49] <johnnybuoy> yeah, I heard about it..
[02:49] <Tomi-idle> Stormx2: try brasero
[02:50] <johnnybuoy> what is the installer of ubuntu called?
[02:50] <johnnybuoy> !installer
[02:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about installer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:50] <DanaG> Odd: trying to enable bcm43xx in restricted-manager does not actually apply.
[02:50] <RAOF> Marco: Yeah, I heard it cured a lepper in Venezuela.
[02:50] <Tomi-idle> johnnybuoy: ubiquity
[02:50] <Marco> yes, it's very impressive
[02:51] <johnnybuoy> RAOF, :-D lmao
[02:51] <Marco> btw, I want to use my 2.6.22 config for 2.6.23
[02:51] <johnnybuoy> Tomi-idle, thx
[02:51] <Marco> how do I do that without causing problems?
[02:53] <DanaG> Odd: restricted-manager downloads the firmware, but doesn't do anything with it.
[02:55] <DanaG> Oh, and even if I download it myself, it doesn't work -- "okay" does nothing.
[02:58] <Marco> why does ubuntu use dash instead of bash?
[02:59] <crdlb> Marco, as the name implies, it's faster :)
[03:00] <crdlb> according to wikipedia, it's smaller, and less likely to break
[03:00] <alexandros> hey guys!
[03:00] <alexandros> how long till gutsy goes stable? :D
[03:00] <Pici> October
[03:01] <alexandros> cool!
[03:05] <flowbot> is there a changelog available for the latest kernel?
[03:05] <RAOF> aptitude changelog linux-image-2.6.22-9-generic :)
[03:06] <DanaG> The !aptitude thingy should be updated to point to this, too.
[03:06] <DanaG> http://www.pthree.org/2007/08/12/aptitude-vs-apt-get/
[03:06] <flowbot> RAOF: cheers!
[03:12] <Falstius> why is all the hplip, hpfax, etc installed in gutsy by default? (especially since it is broken with a basic install)?
[03:12] <d4rkmonkey> I dunno, but somehow i fixed 99% of my desktop effects errosr by mistake :D
[03:21] <johnnybuoy> anyone to confirm this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/132840 ?
[03:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132840 in ubiquity "/boot partition doesn't need to be formatted ( gutsy tribe 4 )" [Undecided,New]
[03:21] <mzuverink> No sound upon Gnome login?  Anyone else have this?
[03:21] <johnnybuoy> by the way, what language is ubiquity written in?
[03:25] <rexbron> is anyone else having trouble connecting to cdimage.ubuntu.com ?
[03:27] <DanaG> Argh, something is breaking my delete key.
[03:27] <DanaG> How can I figure out what app is grabbing it?
[03:28] <IdleOne> rexbron: lemme check
[03:28] <rexbron> thanks
[03:28] <IdleOne> connects fine here
[03:28] <johnnybuoy> hahaha python :-)
[03:29] <IdleOne> rexbron: try connecting to <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:29] <rexbron> IdleOne: that works, thanks
[03:29] <IdleOne> np
[03:30] <databuddy> oo it would be good if /boot/ didnt have to be formatted
[03:31] <databuddy> i would consider that a feature rather than a bug personally XD
[03:32] <databuddy> i'll try to confirm that tomorrow
[03:49] <d4rkmonkey> I'm convinced my laptop hates me.
[03:49] <d4rkmonkey> the brightness keys work like 35% of the time
[03:49] <Toma-> Is there anyway to see the build log for the mplayer package?
[03:51] <Pici> Toma-: Yes...https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+builds?build_state=built&build_text=mplayer
[03:52] <Toma-> ta
[03:52] <Pici> yep
[03:52] <Toma-> tis still broken, apparently
[03:52] <Toma-> RE: Mp3 encoding
[03:53] <d4rkmonkey> I <3 the ring switching thing in desktop-effects
[03:53] <d4rkmonkey> :D
[03:56] <Toma-> well that doesnt make sense
[03:57] <d4rkmonkey> :O
[04:00] <Marco> rofl
[04:00] <Marco> this kernel
[04:00] <Marco> has been compiling for quite a while now
[04:05] <nr5-ubuntu> ayeaye
[04:05] <d4rkmonkey> :O
[04:06] <nr5-ubuntu> hehe my laptops battery is crashed but it takes 30-40 minutes until it poweroffs
[04:07] <d4rkmonkey> lol
[04:07] <d4rkmonkey> how do I un-modprobe a mudle?
[04:07] <d4rkmonkey> *module
[04:07] <d4rkmonkey> if that makes sense...
[04:07] <Toma-> rmmod
[04:07] <d4rkmonkey> ok
[04:07] <d4rkmonkey> thanks
[04:08] <crdlb> modprobe -r :)
[04:08] <Ryo> Wow I feel like an idiot.  I've been searching for why my wired internet fails over and over, and I finally found out it wasn't plugged into the router.
[04:08] <d4rkmonkey> thanks
[04:08] <d4rkmonkey> gah it says its busy...
[04:08] <Hairulfr> Ryo: Hahaha, nice move'
[04:09] <Ryo> Since I'm here, anyone need tech support?
[04:10] <nr5-ubuntu> hey ryo =)
[04:11] <Marco> I keep getting this error: The changelog says we are creating 2.6.23-rc3-marco-remixmarco-remix
[04:11] <Marco> However, I thought the version is 2.6.23-rc3-marco-remix
[04:11] <Marco> how can I remove said changelog
[04:11] <Ryo> hey.
[04:11] <d4rkmonkey> My CD drive won't open for some reason :(
[04:12] <Ryo> d4rkmonkey:  try typing "eject" in the terminal.
[04:12] <d4rkmonkey> nope, doesn't work
[04:12] <d4rkmonkey> its weird.
[04:12] <Marco> is it mounted?
[04:12] <Ryo> have you tried unmouting it?
[04:12] <Marco> type "mount"
[04:12] <d4rkmonkey> uhh
[04:13] <d4rkmonkey> it doesn't seem mounted but it should be automounted...
[04:13] <d4rkmonkey> it doesn't have anything in it
[04:13] <d4rkmonkey> its just weird
[04:13] <nr5-ubuntu> ryo i made it! but then apt-get upgrade destroyed my house of cards again... and now i think its over.... [dri]  mach64.o kernel module version is 1.0.0, but version 2.x is needed (with 2
[04:13] <nr5-ubuntu> .x >= 2.0)
[04:13] <tehk> Anyone know if displayconfig-gtk is included already?
[04:14] <Ryo> nr5-ubutnu:  If you set it up to have all feisty repos, you can just downgrade all the dependancies.
[04:14] <RAOF> tehk: Yes, it is.
[04:15] <mzuverink> Does anyone know what I need to do to get sounds to work?  I have no login or shutdown sounds, and no notification sound upon login screen loading.
[04:15] <tehk>  RAOF, do you know how to you access it? I thought it was going to be an advanced button in the resolution menu
[04:15] <Ryo> mzuverink:  I've noticed that one too... the rest of the sound works for me though.
[04:15] <RAOF> tehk: Dunno.
[04:15] <nr5-ubuntu> ryo does ubuntu keep a list of actions when doing apt-get upgrade?
[04:16] <mzuverink> Ryo, do you also have the brown screen between login and desktop loading even though you changed the color scheme?
[04:16] <Ryo> nr5-ubuntu:  yes, it's in synaptic marked file -> history.
[04:17] <Ryo> mzuverink:  that's just how ubuntu is.  The brown screen login is just the default GDM theme.
[04:17] <qmf> i'm getting errors with linux-libc-dev " unable to make backup link of `./usr/include/asm/debugreg.h' before installing"
[04:18] <mzuverink> Ryo, but normally if you change the login screen, you can also change the background color.
[04:18] <nr5-ubuntu> ryo ok now i did not used synaptic does apt have such a list?
[04:18] <mzuverink> Ryo, the changing of background color does not hold
[04:18] <Ryo> nr5-ubuntu:  synaptic is just a GUI of apt, so granted it does.  I just have no idea how to access it.  try "apt-get --help"
[04:19] <Ryo> mzuverink:  GDM has seperate theming.  Let me try and find where the adjustment was for it again.
[04:19] <mzuverink> system..admin..login screen
[04:19] <mzuverink> Ryo, system..admin..login screen
[04:19] <Ryo> mzuverink:  yeah, you got that earlier than me.
[04:20] <mzuverink> Ryo, any changes that you make to the background color does not hold, it goes back to brown no matter what.
[04:20] <mzuverink> Ryo, but you get your choice of gdm themes
[04:20] <Ryo> mzuverink:  that's because the background is actually a png.
[04:21] <Ryo> mzuverink:  there's more GDM themes on www.gnome-look.org.   My optical drive won't eject in Gutsy, but when I restarted, when gutsy was loading, it ejects fine.
[04:21] <mzuverink> Ryo, yeah, I know, but when did the background on gdm change to a png?
[04:22] <mzuverink> Ryo, it changed and held in feisty
[04:22] <Ryo> mzuverink:  That's the ubuntu default theme.  Just get a different one from gnome-look and it'll all be fine.  I don't know why they changed it.
[04:22] <mzuverink> Ryo, not the actual gdm theme, but the colored background you see in between the login screen and the background of your desktop
[04:24] <Ryo> mzuverink:  Ah.  There's possibly a problem with it applying the change in that case.  You might have to wait for upgrades.
[04:24] <mzuverink> Ryo, thanks
[04:25] <shirish> Ryo: have you used gmailfs?
[04:26] <Marco> How can I make ccache play well with APT?
[04:26] <Ryo> shirish:  No.
[04:26] <Marco> I want to symlink gcc and g++ and friends to ccache
[04:26] <Marco> but I'm scared that everytime gcc is updated
[04:26] <Marco> that'll be overwritten
[04:26] <Ryo> shirish:  Is it good?
[04:26] <RAOF> The symlink will die :)
[04:26] <RAOF> Marco: You can dpkg-divert stuff.  Check it out.
[04:27] <shirish> Ryo: I am stuck in trying to mount it, just can't get it right I guess https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmailfs/+bug/132727
[04:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132727 in gmailfs "There is no gmailfs.py package" [Undecided,New]
[04:28] <Ryo> shirish:  Try finding a .deb of the python package.
[04:28] <shirish> Ryo: the .deb package is there, it installed the mount.gmailfs which is now its correct name
[04:29] <shirish> Ryo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmailfs/+bug/132727 the description is changed
[04:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132727 in gmailfs "Can't configure gmailfs" [Undecided,New]
[04:29] <d4rkmonkey> whats gmailfs?
[04:29] <shirish> d4rkmonkey: its basically a way to use gmail as a filesystem
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> mount your gmail account as a remote file system
[04:29] <d4rkmonkey> oh sweet
[04:30] <shirish> d4rkmonkey: yup its sweet, its so damn easy to do the same in windows, why its so fucking hard in GNU/Linux :(
[04:30] <d4rkmonkey> lol
[04:30] <Ryo> shirish:  when you typed "dpkg -l gmailfs"  did you mean "dpkg -i gmailfs"?
[04:30] <RAOF> shirish: Man, those commands are messed up.
[04:31] <Ryo> shirish:  Also, cd to your directory of instillation, and make sure to call gmailfs "gmailfs.deb".
[04:31] <shirish> Ryo: no, its dpkg -l gmailfs
[04:31] <Marco> RAOF, that's very very very neat
[04:31] <shirish> Ryo: I didn't do any manual install, its there in the repository
[04:31] <Ryo> shirish:  -l is the list command.  -i is install.
[04:32] <d4rkmonkey> Why do my brightness buttons only work less than 25% of the time?
[04:32] <RAOF> shirish: The *actual* command that you want to run, from "man mount.gmailfs", is "sudo mount -t gmailfs none /path/of/mount/point -o username=gmailuser,password=gmailpass,fsname=zOlRRa"
[04:32] <shirish> Ryo: I know I installed it through "sudo aptitude install gmailfs"
[04:32] <Ryo> shirish:  Okay.  Well RAOF seems to know more about this application than I.
[04:32] <RAOF> shirish: Replacing all the various things with the appropriate mount-point, username, password.
[04:33] <shirish> ROAF: I ran that, the problem with that is, it gives only access only to root then, I want the user (shirish) to only have access to gmailfs & not any other user, sudo or root is an exception.
[04:34] <shirish> Ryo: you forgot, there is also an fsname
[04:34] <DanaG> Many people seem to be having various issues with brightness control.
[04:34] <DanaG> For me, I can change brightness with hotkeys, but I don't get Gnome's OSD.
[04:34] <shirish> ROAF: I did read the mount.gmailfs manpage
[04:35] <shirish> DanaG: there is a way to get GNOME's OSD? From where did you get that?
[04:35] <Ryo> DanaG:  GNOME doesn't have an embedded brightness adjuster, to my knowledge.
[04:35] <RAOF> shirish: You may want to add the a "uid=<youruid>" to that cammand line, after the other options.
[04:35] <DanaG> I'm not sure -- the OSD isn't working for me.
[04:35] <RAOF> shirish: I'm not sure if gmailfs supports that, though.
[04:35] <DanaG> My BIOS is what adjusts brightness, and then it notifies the OS of the change.
[04:35] <shirish> ROAF: I did try that though, but it didn't make any difference :(
[04:36] <andne> anyone have issues with static in ogg files when played in rhythmbox?
[04:36] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/121833
[04:36] <RAOF> shirish: You haven't tried "sudo mount -t gmailfs none /path/of/mount/point -o username=gmailuser,password=gmailpass,fsname=zOlRRa,uid=1000", have you?
[04:36] <DanaG> My bug report
[04:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Undecided,New]
[04:37] <Ryo> andne:  I've had a lot of issues with rythmbox.  I suggest exaile.
[04:37] <shirish> ROAF: I tried that already yesterday
[04:38] <RAOF> shirish: Not according to your bug report you haven't.
[04:39] <shirish> RAOF: now it does, added a comment so you guys know I tried this too & what it gives me.
[04:39] <andne> Ryo: I suppose one of those is crashing if the you try to bring up a file browser twice in the preferences window?
[04:39] <Ryo> andne:  With me it crashed when I tried to upload my libraries.
[04:40] <shirish> ROAF: I did change the appropriate username, password & fsname values as needed, my uid is 1000 on the system.
[04:40] <DanaG> I just added another note to my bug report.
[04:40] <andne> there's something funny about the way it plays files compared to totem that causes files to sound bad when played in it but not in totem
[04:41] <shirish> RAOF: lemme know if you get some more info. or idea what to do?
[04:41] <RAOF> shirish: Anyway, that doesn't really seem like a bug report.  You should probably open up a support request on answers.launchpad.net.
[04:42] <shirish> ROAF: you are right, I should probably mark this invalid & then open a support request on answers.launchpad.net
[04:44] <fsckr> back after a  reinstall of gutsy :P
[04:45] <Ryo> well, I'm going again, cya all.
[04:45] <nosrednaekim> bye
[04:47] <DanaG> Oh, why do Flash videos always take such ridiculous CPU usage?
[04:47] <dick-richardson> the font that firefox is using for the toolbars is incredibly small. where's that specified? I'm not seeing changes in about:config
[04:48] <DanaG> It'll often take 100% of one of my CPU cores.
[04:50] <andne> DanaG: Because adobe can't figure out how to write a codec that actually works
[04:50] <crdlb> because it use software scaling
[04:50] <crdlb> uses*
[04:51] <crdlb> ie not Xv
[04:51] <DanaG> Is it just their Linux version that sucks so horribly?
[04:51] <DanaG> I've never noticed the Windows version using video overlay.
[04:51] <andne> how hard is it to port something like flash to 64bit?  kind of annoying that neither 64bit computer I have can run flash
[04:52] <DanaG> I wonder if I'd be better off putting Flash on Firefox in a VM.
[04:52] <nosrednaekim> andne: did you try nspluginwrapper?
[04:52] <andne> flash on linux does something weird, it tends to get in the way of drop-down menus on sites
[04:52] <crdlb> andne, that's actually a limation of gecko
[04:52] <RAOF> andne: Tried "sudo aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree" anytime recently? :)
[04:52] <andne> no
[04:52] <RAOF> andne: You may be pleasantly surprised.
[04:53] <andne> hm, maybe I should actually pay attention to things
[04:53] <dick-richardson> anyone know how to change the toolbar fonts in firefox?
[04:54] <Marco> RAOF, btw, I found an even better solution
[04:54] <RAOF> Marco: For what?
[04:54] <Marco> /usr/lib/ccache is a directory full of symlinks (named gcc, g++, etc...) that all link to ccache
[04:54] <Marco> for using ccache
[04:54] <Marco> so you add that to the beginning of your path
[04:55] <Marco> and :)
[04:55] <RAOF> :)
[04:55] <andne> dick-richardson: my guess is that they're set by gnome, not firefox
[04:55] <dick-richardson> everything else is correct... :/
[04:55] <shirish> ROAF: I finally opened up a support request at https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmailfs/+question/11592 lemme know if I need to add anything else in it too.
[05:00] <Toma-> shirish: whats the mount point?
[05:01] <shirish> Toma-: its /home/shirish/gmailfs
[05:01] <Toma-> ahh ok
[05:02] <shirish> Toma-: I didn't want to make the bug as well as the support request muddled hence put up the generic statement.
[05:03] <Toma-> might want to state youre using gutsy in the support question
[05:04] <shirish> Toma-: right, would also do that.
[05:04] <Toma-> did you try adding 'user' to the options?
[05:04] <Toma-> like a normal filesystem
[05:05] <shirish> Toma-: I also did that yesterday, can try it again
[05:05] <DanaG> Argh, I so hate flash.
[05:06] <DanaG> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=217328&cid=17657948
[05:06] <Toma-> i hear flash hates you too. >_>
[05:06] <DanaG> (that's not me)
[05:06] <shirish> Toma-: I get the same mount options as before
[05:06] <DanaG> Oh, so is that why it rapes my CPU?
[05:07] <ameyer> I think the term isn't rape, it's "surprise sex"
[05:07] <DanaG> That's not funny to joke about.
[05:07] <Toma-> shirish: not too sure then sorry
[05:07] <Toma-> guys, is that even gutsy related?
[05:07] <Stik> lol
[05:07] <ameyer> umm, the flash cpu-rape thing might be
[05:08] <shirish> Toma-: ok thanx for trying anyway
[05:08] <Toma-> shirish: i suspect it might be one of those options, like defaults or soemthing. after all, its still a regular filesystem
[05:08] <Toma-> np
[05:09] <DanaG> The brightness bug I talked about earlier is a more relevant issue, and it's actually about something not closed-source.
[05:09] <shirish> Toma-: I hope so too, I wish there was a guide or something, the manpage as well richard's webpage doesn't cover the normal use-cases
[05:09] <ameyer> DanaG: related to Xv video on an intel chip?
[05:09] <DanaG> Nope.
[05:09] <ameyer> *graphics chip
[05:10] <DanaG> I mean, more relevant to the channel.
[05:10] <DanaG> I also have issues with xv under Compiz on nvidia, though.
[05:10] <ameyer> well, xv video looks weird on an intel graphics chip
[05:10] <ameyer> off and on since at least dapper
[05:11] <ameyer> at least it no longer randomly kernel panics
[05:11] <Marco> hmm, I added this to my .profile, but it's not affecting my path
[05:11] <Marco> PATH=/usr/lib/ccache:$PATH
[05:11] <Marco> export PATH
[05:12] <DanaG> Oh, and update-manager is also buggy.
[05:12] <DanaG> Try scrolling through the list with the keyboard, and you'll see the wrong changelogs.
[05:13] <Toma-> Marco: you did start a new bash session right?
[05:13] <Marco> yes
[05:13] <Marco> I closed the terminal
[05:13] <Marco> and opened a new one
[05:13] <Toma-> easier just to run bash
[05:14] <Marco> tried that too
[05:14] <Marco> no cigar
[05:14] <Toma-> i dont think export is needed either
[05:14] <Toma-> and there are executables in /usr/lib/ccache?
[05:14] <Marco> symlinks
[05:14] <Marco> named gcc, g++, etc...
[05:14] <Toma-> ok
[05:15] <Marco> that all point to ccache
[05:15] <Toma-> how can you be sure its not working? :)
[05:15] <Toma-> 'which gcc'
[05:15] <Marco> I figured it out
[05:15] <Marco> well, I was doing echo $PATH
[05:15] <Marco> and it wasn't there
[05:15] <Marco> .profile and /etc/profile are only run on a new login shell
[05:16] <Marco> I have to run bash --login
[05:16] <Marco> at least until next time I login
[05:21] <shirish> Marco: I did export PATH=/usr/lib/ccache:$PATH long time back & at the next login, the /usr/lib/ccache is there.
[05:21] <Marco> brb
[05:21] <shirish>  which gcc
[05:21] <shirish> /usr/lib/ccache/gcc
[05:24] <Marco> where is the cache stored
[05:24] <Marco> I don't see it
[05:24] <Marco> :/
[05:29] <shirish> Marco: what does which gcc give you?
[05:29] <Marco> oh, gcc compiles fine
[05:29] <Marco> everytime I compile with gcc. "called for link" in the stats goes up
[05:29] <Marco> but nothing is cached
[05:30] <shirish> Marco: i know nothing about ccache just the fact that it compiles stuff faster.
[05:44] <DanaG> Argh, why is HAL trying to mount ntfs-3g with write support?
[05:44] <DanaG> And why doesn't it fall back to read-only if it can't mount writeable?
[05:44] <DanaG> Not mounting at alll.... is very bad behavior.
[05:45] <Marco> change fstab
[05:45] <Marco> change rw to ro
[05:45] <DanaG> It's not in fstab -- it's a USB drive.
[05:45] <Marco> oh
[05:45] <Marco> why is your USB drive ntfs?
[05:45] <Marco> O.o
[05:45] <voidmage> anyone else have problems with mythfilldatabase using 90%+ cpu?
[05:45] <Marco> bad call
[05:46] <Marco> wait, do you mean thumb drive or actual HD?
[05:47] <DanaG> Hard drive.
[05:47] <shirish> Marco: its actually an interesting use-case whether the drive in question is a thumb drive or actual HD
[05:48] <shirish> its definitely interesting
[05:48] <DanaG> I can't figure out where it's getting the idea to use 3g.
[05:48] <Marco> DanaG, btw, why does mounting read/write fail?
[05:48] <Marco> well, is it formatted ntfs?
[05:49] <Stik> Noone would happen to know of a fix for vmwares systray icon would they?
[05:49] <DanaG> It's failing because of unclean mount, but I don't really care for writeability, anyway.
[05:49] <DanaG> If I want to write, I'll manually use the script in ntfs-3g-nautilus-utils (from somewhere...  For I can't find it?
[06:08] <DanaG> Use the manpages, Luke.  (heh, play on "Use the Force")
[06:09] <shirish> DanaG: shirish@Mugglewille:~$ man prmount
[06:09] <shirish> No manual entry for prmount
[06:09] <shirish> shirish@Mugglewille:~$ man pmount
[06:09] <shirish> No manual entry for pmount
[06:09] <shirish> DanaG: I tried before I asked you
[06:09] <DanaG> Odd, I have those manpages.
[06:10] <DanaG> I'll try to find out what package has them.
[06:10] <shirish> DanaG: thanx
[06:11] <DanaG> Hmm, it's in the package pmount.
[06:11] <DanaG> You can also try using gnome-mount.
[06:11] <DanaG> I always forget about that one.
[06:12] <shirish> DanaG: this means that its not installed by default either pmount or gnome-mount
[06:12] <DanaG> pmount is not installed by default, because I believe gnome-mount may supersede it.
[06:13] <shirish> DanaG: yup I have gnome-mount installed.
[06:14] <DanaG> I'm trying to figure out the syntax of gnome-mount.
[06:15] <DanaG> gnome-mount -d /dev/sd(whatever)
[06:16] <shirish> DanaG: perhaps that might be an answer to an issue I have been having https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmailfs/+question/11592 what do you think? Although this is a virtual file-system
[06:17] <DanaG> Hmm, I haven't used gmailfs before.
[06:17] <DanaG> And doesn't it violate their TOS?
[06:18] <shirish> DanaG: http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-smime/gmail-smime.html
[06:18] <shirish> DanaG: there is also a firefox-extension I believe and from what i know google people would like people using their service no matter how we use it.
[06:23] <shirish> DanaG: actually I wanted to give this link http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html inadverantly gave you the extension link, oh well.
[06:23] <DanaG> Aah.
[06:23] <DanaG> Well, you can try gnome-mount or pmount with the correct options.
[06:23] <DanaG> Note that if you have incorrect parameters, all gnome-mount does is spit out its version number.
[06:24] <DanaG> (I call that bad design.)
[06:24] <RAOF> File a bug.  That seems poor behavior, yes.
[07:02] <Sayers> Ehm, why does pidgen seem not to always want to dock?
[07:05] <sayers_> Hi all
[07:31] <sayers> Flac is an amazing format :o
[07:35] <keram> hello
[07:36] <keram> when i start up gusty tribe 4 trackerd is running with like 30% cpu usage
[07:36] <keram> is there a fix for this?
[07:36] <keram> i've just been doing killall trackerd
[07:36] <h1st0> thats the fix
[07:36] <h1st0> lol
[07:36] <keram> is trackerd even important?
[07:36] <keram> so whats the purpose of trackerd?
[07:37] <keram> i didnt have this problem with tribe 3
[07:37] <h1st0> keram: did the package update?
[07:37] <keram> yeah
[07:37] <h1st0> keram: check /var/cache/apt/archive see if you have an older version of it to install.
[07:37] <keram> no i reinstalled with tribe 4 yesterday
[07:41] <h1st0> keram: ahh from cd?
[07:41] <keram> yeah from cd
[07:41] <h1st0> I don't know then.
[07:41] <keram> with tribe 4 there is better wireless card support i think
[07:42] <keram> i dont have to compile the intellinuxwireless driver
[07:42] <keram> it just works
[07:42] <keram> :]
[07:43] <h1st0> I wish they could get the broadcom cards that way.
[07:43] <h1st0> Hey does keyring still prompt for password on every start up stil??
[07:45] <sayers> Why does pidgin not want to Dock :( ?
[07:46] <h1st0> Because it s abird
[07:46] <h1st0> not a boa
[07:46] <h1st0> boat
[07:46] <RAOF> It perches :)
[07:46] <sayers> :(
[07:46] <sayers> well why isnt it a boat
[07:46] <sayers> I need it to dock
[07:47] <RAOF> sayers: You're going to need to state your problem more clearly.  What does "dock" mean, for example :)
[07:47] <sayers> its mega early, Ill get it tomarow
[08:02] <keram> can you start trackerd with certain options s othat it wont consume so many resource?
[08:10] <voltagex> hi, I was wondering if there's a jigdo image available for tribe-4
[08:10] <voltagex> for the -desktop release I mean
[08:10] <troxor> has anyone experienced dpkg zombies during upgrades?
[08:28] <DanaG> What's the opposite of adduser?
[08:28] <DanaG> I want to remove a user from a group.
[08:28] <Hobbsee> deluser?
[08:29] <DanaG> Wouldn't that delete a user entirely?
[08:30] <RAOF> man deluser :)
[08:30] <RAOF> In short, no.
[08:30] <RAOF> deluser <user> <group> is the inverse to adduser <user> <group>
[08:30] <DanaG> Aah, cool.  Thanks.
[08:31] <RAOF> In fact, deluser is pretty much the inverse of adduser :)
[08:31] <Assid> userdel
[08:32] <RAOF> Assid: I'll use higher-level tools where available, thanks :)
[08:32] <Assid> high level tools?
[08:33] <RAOF> deluser vs userdel
[08:34] <DanaG> Odd: Unable to create view: org.eclipse.core.runtime.Plugin
[09:17] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello everyone!
[09:18] <Hobbsee> hiya
[09:19] <MilhousePunkRock> Hey Hobbsee! Is it a known problem that konqueror's mouse gestures vanish in Gutsy or is it unique for me?
[09:19] <Hobbsee> no idea
[09:21] <MilhousePunkRock> Worked better than Edgy --> Feisty and USB now works after hibernation...
[09:22] <Hobbsee> neat :)
[09:22] <Hobbsee> yeah, i didnt think you were running gutsy
[09:23] <MilhousePunkRock> Well, I got a new printer last week, the very latest driver for it has dependancies that were newer than what feisty offered...
[09:24] <MilhousePunkRock> So I though, why not give it a go. The ThinkPad was scheduled for a clean reinstall after gutsy's stable release anyway, so there was not much to lose...
[09:27] <arooni> folks trying to install ubuntu.... on a thinkpad t61.... i can boot up live cd... but graphics are messed up (intel x3100 card)..... and i already used safe graphics mode... any other ideas?
[09:29] <MilhousePunkRock> arooni: According to thinkwiki.org the card only supports a depth of 24. Did you try that?
[09:29] <MilhousePunkRock> http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Intel_Graphics_Media_Accelerator_X3100
[09:30] <arooni> MilhousePunkRock, how do i set that
[09:31] <MilhousePunkRock> arooni: On the boot menu, you can configure the graphics, set it to you resolution with a colordepth of 24 and see if that helps
[09:31] <arooni> MilhousePunkRock, i'm a bit of anoob
[09:31] <arooni> can you tell me what i'd set as a bootoptin?
[09:31] <arooni> colordepth=24
[09:31] <arooni> ??
[09:32] <arooni> and should i use the safe graphics mode
[09:32] <arooni> or regular
[09:32] <MilhousePunkRock> arooni: One of the F-keys will give you a list of graphics modes to choose from
[09:32] <arooni> ah ok
[09:32] <arooni> i have installed ubuntu on the exact same laptop a month ago
[09:32] <arooni> and it worked great
[09:32] <arooni> i'm not sure whats going on
[09:32] <MilhousePunkRock> arooni: Why would you install alpha software if you consider yourself a noob anyway?
[09:32] <arooni> well i'm really installing 7.04
[09:33] <arooni> but no one is answering in #ubuntu
[09:33] <arooni> MilhousePunkRock, theres no x24 option
[09:33] <arooni> but there is 16!
[09:33] <MilhousePunkRock> arooni: That should work too... You can probably install the propietaty driver afterwards
[09:33] <arooni> what is 32 bit color
[09:34] <arooni> i made the right move getting this video card rather than the nvidia one
[09:34] <arooni> at least i hpoe i did?
[09:34] <arooni> ;p
[09:34] <ameyer> is it ATI?
[09:34] <arooni> no, its integrated
[09:34] <arooni> intel x3100
[09:34] <arooni> 965 chipset
[09:35] <arooni> i never play games, i just use for business + programming
[09:35] <ameyer> yeah, intel's stuff is the only stuff that's  properly supported by linux
[09:35] <MilhousePunkRock> arooni: In that case it should not make a difference... NVidia is pretty nice supporting linux though
[09:35] <arooni> go me ;p
[09:35] <arooni> i was optimizing for battery life
[09:36] <MilhousePunkRock> arooni: In general, a ThinkPad is the right choice anyway... :D
[09:36] <arooni> awesome!
[09:36] <ameyer> MilhousePunkRock: yeah, if you like your graphics cards with a side of GPL violation and a side of unknown kernel mode code
[09:36] <arooni> oh man
[09:36] <arooni> graphis is still messed up
[09:36] <arooni> even at 1024x768 16bit
[09:37] <arooni> i cant see what i'm doing
[09:37] <arooni> it looks all interlaced and stuff
[09:37] <MilhousePunkRock> arooni: Try the alternate CD instead, if you can...
[09:37] <arooni> MilhousePunkRock, does it need to be burned to a cd
[09:37] <arooni> or can it be burned to a dvd
[09:38] <MilhousePunkRock> ameyer: I am not a free-as-in-speech hardliner and my NVidia card works fine on the desktop with closed source drivers...
[09:38] <arooni> MilhousePunkRock, and what speed should i burn it on
[09:38] <MilhousePunkRock> arooni: That's a good question
[09:39] <MilhousePunkRock> arooni: Slower is better in that case... Make sure you run the intergrity test for the CD too, my very first Kubuntu install didn't turn out to work because of a badly burned CD
[09:39] <arooni> MilhousePunkRock, 2x?
[09:39] <arooni> 4x?
[09:39] <ameyer> well, closed source drivers clearly violate the GPL...
[09:40] <RAOF> I think "clearly" may be overstating the case, there.
[09:40] <RAOF> Whether or not they do, they still suck because we can't fix them.
[09:41] <ameyer> and closed source drivers may work on windows (let's face it, one more backdoor doesn't change things), but not on Linux...
[09:41] <RAOF> !nouveau ftw!
[09:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nouveau ftw! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:42] <MilhousePunkRock> arooni: Go as low as you can go...
[09:42] <DanaG> Another thing that sucks about NVIDIA; no framebuffer driver.
[09:42] <DanaG> No native-res framebuffer.
[09:42] <ameyer> Let's face it, if nvidia/ATI/$wifi_manufacturer wanted to root anyone who used their proprietary driver, they could
[09:42] <ameyer> it's generally not good practice to root your customers or the customers of your customers though
[09:42] <RAOF> DanaG: I'd be happy if they didn't segfault when trying GL under compiz, frankly.
[09:43] <DanaG> I never used to have that gl-crashes-xorg under Beryl.
[09:43] <DanaG> Even with the same drivers.
[09:43] <RAOF> It's possible that compiz does something wrong.
[09:43] <RAOF> Also, Compiz does a whole lot more than beryl, now.
[09:44] <DanaG> Oh yeah, here's an easy way to crash Xorg on some SiS video chips:
[09:44] <DanaG> glxinfo.
[09:44] <DanaG> Crash!
[09:44] <ameyer> nice
[09:44] <ameyer> Intel's driver used to randomly fsck the kernel when using accelerated video
[09:45] <ameyer> now it only does it when loading GDM
[09:45] <ameyer> and occasionally when coming back from hibernation
[09:45] <DanaG> Wow, Nautilus is taking 30% CPU.
[09:47] <DanaG> Oh, and something has decided to grab my DEL key and not let go.
[09:47] <DanaG> How can you figure out what app is grabbing a key?
[09:48] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I'm now using iwl3945, since sometimes ipw3945 won't get an IP address when using NetworkManager,
[09:50] <RAOF> And that works consitently for you?
[09:51] <DanaG> I just switched today, so I haven't had enough time to get a trend.
[09:51] <DanaG> Plus, I normally use wired ethernet when at home, and open access points when on campus.
[09:51] <RAOF> Well, mine dies hard pretty quickly.
[09:52] <DanaG> My e1000 has actually been dying sometimes -- the connection will drop.
[09:52] <RAOF> iwl dies worse than that.
[09:52] <DanaG> Then if I modprobe -r and re-modprobe it, I get something about corrupt EEPROM checksum.
[09:52] <DanaG> Then I have to reboot to fix it.
[09:52] <RAOF> When *I* modprobe -r iwl, it doesn't work and then prevents me from restarting :)
[09:53] <DanaG> I mean, it's not just the connection dying; it's more like the card fails to send or receive.
[09:53] <RAOF> Yeah.
[09:53] <DanaG> Oh, I thought of a workaround for my broken 'normal' delete key: use the numpad delete key.  Oh, I love having a number pad.
[09:56] <RAOF> On a laptop?
[09:57] <arooni__> hey folks
[09:57] <MilhousePunkRock> wb arooni__
[09:57] <arooni__> MilhousePunkRock: i have a couple questions going thru this text install
[09:57] <arooni> the network was not configured
[09:58] <arooni> i.e. on the screen 'Configuring the network with DHCP'
[09:58] <arooni> failed.... but then again i have encrypted invisible wireless
[09:58] <arooni> theres no network connection
[09:58] <arooni> is that oK/
[09:59] <MilhousePunkRock> arooni: If you do not need it during installation, you can do that later. In case you use DHCP it's just point and click in network-manager
[09:59] <arooni> great
[09:59] <arooni> what should the hostname be?
[09:59] <arooni> is that the computer name?
[09:59] <ameyer> at least Ubuntu doesn't stop for like a minute to attempt to get internets
[10:00] <ameyer> well, at least as recently as FC3
[10:00] <MilhousePunkRock> arooni: Yeah, that's how the machine will be identified on your network
[10:01] <arooni> MilhousePunkRock: how would you reccomend setting up partitions?
[10:01] <arooni> i was thinking ... 5 gigs for /, 2 gigs for swap, and the rest for /home
[10:01] <arooni> does that shound reasonable?
[10:01] <ameyer> I'd think that's a prime case for FC3, launch the internet getting thingy, then background it and do something else...
[10:01] <MilhousePunkRock> arooni: That's an almost philosophical question
[10:01] <ameyer> erm, not fc3, parallel init\
[10:01] <MilhousePunkRock> arooni: 5 GB for / is too small
[10:01] <arooni> MilhousePunkRock: how about 10?
[10:02] <RAOF> MilhousePunkRock: I've used 5gb / before.
[10:02] <MilhousePunkRock> arooni: Sounds better, how much space do you have? If it's plenty, make it bigger...
[10:02] <ameyer> @lart ameyer
[10:02] <RAOF> MilhousePunkRock: Although it does depend on what else you're going to have.
[10:02] <arooni> MilhousePunkRock: i have like 37 gb right now
[10:02] <MilhousePunkRock> RAOF: I have 12 on my Gentoo machine and it's constantly full
[10:02] <arooni> until i can shrink the windows parittion down
[10:03] <RAOF> MilhousePunkRock: Have /var, /tmp on separate partitions.  5Gb is *plenty* :)
[10:03] <arooni> um, should i have the bootable flag = true
[10:03] <MilhousePunkRock> RAOF: Yeah, moving var to a seperate partition was suggested to me already... I'll put Kubuntu on that machine anyway when Gutsy is stable
[10:03] <arooni> for my partition for /
[10:03] <arooni> ?
[10:03] <MilhousePunkRock> arooni: I think you don't need that, grub will handle it
[10:04] <arooni> so whats the consensus
[10:04] <arooni> on the parittion size for /
[10:04] <arooni> and if i should create a separate one for /var
[10:04] <MilhousePunkRock> 10 GB at least
[10:04] <RAOF> MilhousePunkRock: Note that you *can't* share /var between dists :)
[10:05] <MilhousePunkRock> RAOF: What ment that Gentoo will go and Kubuntu will come... Too much maintenance effort.
[10:05] <arooni> how big should swap be?
[10:05] <arooni> 2gB?  i have 2gb of ram
[10:05] <MilhousePunkRock> arooni: Moot if you need swap at all then... Have it at least your RAM + your Video RAM so you can hibernate to it
[10:06] <arooni> MilhousePunkRock: but isnt my video ram just integrated into the 2gb?
[10:06] <RAOF> MilhousePunkRock: You don't migrate vram to swap, surely?
[10:07] <MilhousePunkRock> RAOF: That's what I have been told, at least...
[10:08] <arooni> should my partition for /home be primary or logical?
[10:08] <RAOF> Logical.
[10:09] <arooni> location:  beginning/end?
[10:09] <RAOF> who cares?
[10:09] <arooni> i dont know
[10:09] <arooni> if it matters at all
[10:11] <arooni> next q:  how do i name the /swap partition
[10:11] <arooni> i dont know what the mount point is for swap....
[10:11] <arooni> do i select "do not mount it" ?
[10:11] <MilhousePunkRock> arooni: The swap partition is named /swap, IIRC and does not get mounted
[10:12] <arooni> MilhousePunkRock: so should i manually name it /swap .. or should i just select do not mount
[10:12] <MilhousePunkRock> arooni: latter
[10:13] <arooni> MilhousePunkRock: how will linux know to store swap files there
[10:13] <MilhousePunkRock> arooni: It uses a different filesystem
[10:14] <arooni> MilhousePunkRock: ah you're right... now i got it
[10:14] <arooni> i thought i was going to use ext3
[10:15] <arooni> and we're off
[10:15] <arooni> with the alternative ubuntu install cd
[10:45] <DanaG> OH yeah, to answer a question way late, I do have a number pad on my laptop / notebook.
[10:45] <DanaG> 17" size has its perks.
[10:51] <nr5-ubuntu> eeek how can i downgrade a package to one of its previous versions while keeping dependencies intact?
[11:02] <Assid> hrmm the new updates today say theres an update for adept-notified
[11:02] <Assid> notifier
[11:02] <Assid> but i cant seem to update it
[11:03] <Assid> now it wants to remove adept ?
[11:05] <nr5-ubuntu> ayeayye jussi01
[11:06] <Assid> ?
[11:06] <jussi01> hello nr5-ubuntu
[11:07] <Assid> nr5-ubuntu: you got the latest update?
[11:07] <nr5-ubuntu> assid why should they remove adept? i'd say go for the update, but that kind of thinking broke my direct rendering yesterday ;) so dont listen to what i say *gg*
[11:08] <Assid> broke your direct rendering?
[11:08] <Assid> what card do you have
[11:08] <Assid> pastebin that log
[11:09] <Assid> err. wrong window
[11:17] <constrictor> how do i check what version of update-manager i have?
[11:19] <Assid> nr5-ubuntu: no adept.. then i dont get updated :(
[11:21] <DanaG> Argh, powertop shows 700 or so wakeups per second.
[11:21] <Hobbsee> Assid: just wait.   breakages like this happen
[11:21] <Hobbsee> Assid: this is why you dont hit "yes" to everyhting
[11:22] <DanaG> Big offenders are Java (Azureus), eth0 (e1000), uhci_hcd, acpi, HDA Intel.
[11:23] <constrictor> cannot get update-manager -d to pick up upgrade release
[11:23] <DanaG> I always like to see changelogs before upgrading.
[11:23] <DanaG> And if you need old versions, dig around on the mirror directly.
[11:25] <jussi01> hows things Hobbsee? do you have the same bug as me? (kde usplash is, well, large)
[11:26] <Hobbsee> havent noticed it, but i think i use a different one
[11:27] <jussi01> Hobbsee: oh, ok
[11:29] <constrictor> !upgrade
[11:29] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[11:33] <constrictor> I'm getting the following error..."current dist not found in meta-release file" any ideas?
[11:34] <DanaG> Hmm, http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6587671
[11:34] <DanaG> Synopsis                                                            JRE wakes up kernel 20 times per second when idle
[11:38] <ameyer> nice
[11:53] <DanaG> Hmm, something new for Lenovo-made Thinkpads:  ACPI: thinkpad-acpi: allow use of CMOS NVRAM for brightness control
[11:54] <DanaG> (not that I have a thinkpad; I'm just digging around in changelogs to see if there's anything interesting.)
[01:05] <nr5-ubuntu>  whats wrong with that?  sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati=1:6.6.192
[01:09] <leperkhanz> Is any body else getting kind of glitchy performance?
[01:10] <leperkhanz> (Yes, I'm using Compiz+Fusion, but it seems slower, jumpier than yesterday or before.
[01:10] <leperkhanz> )
[01:14] <nr5-ubuntu> leperkhanz, i had a similar issue: beryl with some GL screensaver ran fine after boot but after a couple of minutes it started running slower and even failing to render some frames wich made the whole thing appear more jumpy.: i suspected the nvidia-BETA drivers to heat up the passively cooled GT8500 but in fact it was the CPU's cooling that was incorrectly installed
[01:14] <nr5-ubuntu> leperkhanz, i fixed the cpus cooling and added a fan to the GT8500 same driver same system no crashes and no slowdown... even the cpus cooling fan ran a lot more quiet.
[01:16] <rfdparker2002> hello, does anyone know if there will be an update to the evms package on gutsy anytime soon to fix bug #115616? as on my laptop i have to kill udevd every time I boot i otherwise the CD/DVD Drive continuously scan itself and of course i get the dm-linear lookup failed managed failed.
[01:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115616 in evms "Device-mapper errors: dm-linear, lookup failed" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/115616
[01:20] <nr5-ubuntu>  #320828
[01:20] <nr5-ubuntu>  #320828?
[01:20] <nr5-ubuntu> bug  #320828?
[01:20] <nr5-ubuntu> hey ubotu how do u work?
[01:21] <nr5-ubuntu> !help
[01:21] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[01:21] <nr5-ubuntu> i c
[01:21] <leperkhanz> Huh, I hope it ain't the geforce 6600 gt.  Lame as that is I don't have the duckets for a new one right now.  *sigh*
[01:23] <Pici> rfdparker2002: If you're really concerned about it, you can bug the person its assigned to
[01:24] <Pici> rfdparker2002: Or ask about it in #ubuntu-kernel
[01:24] <leperkhanz> wow, ubotu might be the most informative !help I've seen an an IRC.  That is, if that wiki has good stuff.
[01:25] <rfdparker2002> Pici: I'm not too worried I was just wondering but as it's 'In Progress' I suppose they'll be releasing a fix soon anyway so I'll just wait but thanks for pointing me to the right channel
[01:26] <Hobbsee> half of the kernel team is on holidays atm, iirc
[01:26] <Pici> Which half?
[01:26] <leperkhanz> Stupid summer!  lol
[01:30] <Hobbsee> Pici: benc, i believe
[01:30] <Pici> :)
[01:40] <padavoine> hi all. I have a problem with installing Kubuntu Gutsy Tribe 4. It partitions everything correctly, then quits right after "Setting System Locales". I could try the alternate CD, but I'd like to get the Live CD to work
[01:41] <padavoine> anyone?
[01:43] <praecox> hey guys, is it normal and known problem OO.org doesn't work under Kubuntu Gutsy?
[01:43] <Hobbsee> praecox: yeah
[01:43] <Hobbsee> praecox: install openoffice.org-gnome
[01:44] <Hobbsee> althought htis should be fixing itself
[01:44] <praecox> but what if I have Kubuntu not Ubuntu?
[01:44] <Hobbsee> it requires bits of the gnome stuff, as a workaround
[01:44] <Hobbsee> the updates should fix it, though
[01:44] <praecox> oh, I see.
[01:45] <praecox> oh, it works, indeed.
[01:45] <praecox> thank you.
[01:46] <pvandewyngaerde> there is a package called openoffice-kde
[01:47] <pvandewyngaerde> openoffice.org-kde
[01:47] <Hobbsee> pvandewyngaerde: yes, but it doesnt fix the problem.
[01:48] <praecox> pvandewyngaerde, I have already had it on my workstation.
[01:48] <praecox> pvandewyngaerde, but it crashed anyway.
[01:49] <Infecto> and what about acroread? :)
[02:15] <leperkhanz> What's the easiest software to make a slide show video in Ubuntu?
[02:34] <IdleOne> leperkhanz: qdvdauthor - GUI frontend for dvdauthor and other related tools
[02:34] <IdleOne> xslideshow - An Image Viewer on X with Animation display function.
[02:34] <IdleOne> check them out
[02:35] <IdleOne> not sure if it is exactly what you need. you can also search synaptic for slideshow
[02:35] <IdleOne> dvd-slideshow also
[02:38] <leperkhanz> What is the absolute easiest way to put an mp3 to a series of photos in Ubuntu, for upload to YouTube.
[02:38] <leperkhanz> ?
[02:40] <IdleOne> leperkhanz: try #ubuntu-studio they will be able to help you much more
[02:42] <leperkhanz> Hmm.  That's not a very encouraging answer. :P
[02:43] <Assid> leperkhanz: slide show video ?
[02:43] <IdleOne> leperkhanz: I say ask them only because Ubuntu-studio focuses more on graphic manipulation and audio
[02:43] <Assid> either use openoffice to make a slide show..
[02:43] <Assid> or be a bit more specific on what u wanna do
[02:43] <leperkhanz> Yes, I'm over there.
[02:43] <leperkhanz> Kinda slow.  Just sits there waiting. Doesn't even try and load the kernel. Old one still works though.
[03:06] <am_> any ideas where to look for whats wrong
[03:06] <am_> the device in yaboot is the same for both
[03:07] <leperkhanz> #ubuntustudio said pitivi or kino, pitivi doesn't import .jpg, and kino doesn't import .wav?!?! LOL
[03:18] <Assid> Hobbsee: do you know the maintainers of the openoffice package?
[03:19] <Hobbsee> Assid: calc
[03:19] <Hobbsee> (yes)
[03:20] <Assid> calc?
[03:20] <Assid> hrmm care to ask him when can we port to the "normal" version of openoffice
[03:21] <Hobbsee> he's in this room
[03:21] <Assid> calc: you on?
[03:22] <Hobbsee> [23:22]  [Whois]  calc has been idle for 9 hours, 5 minutes, and 17 seconds.
[03:23] <Assid> okay im outta here
[03:24] <Assid> lates Hobbsee
[03:27] <shirish> hi all
[03:27] <shirish> pretty quiet around here
[03:29] <Pici> Ssh, dont spoil it ;)
[03:29] <shirish> ;)
[03:30] <Hobbsee> shhhh...we're hunting
[03:30] <w00t__> hmm
[03:30] <w00t__> where's my bnc gone. :(
[03:33] <shirish> Hobbsee: can you look at https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmailfs/+question/11592 and see if you could contribute somehow, I'm just lost on that one.
[03:33] <Hobbsee> shirish: i think i saw the ML post.  no
[03:34] <Pici> hehe
[03:35] <shirish> Hobbsee: ok cool enough, thanx
[03:46] <sayers> Whats with the small emblems on folders?
[03:51] <Pici> sayers: Huh?
[03:51] <shirish> hi guys, does anybody know of a software which uses svn to make backups. Like I could use it with let's say making my gedit or openoffice.org documents & then update or delete stuff & svn would help me in seeing what changes I did, I did come across such a software sometime back but lost its link, anybody knows?
[03:53] <sayers> Pici, http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=smalliconsrj6.png
[03:53] <Pici> sayers: Well, I dont believe I've seen that before
[03:54] <sayers> nor have I :)
[03:54] <Pici> I'm logging into gnome here to take a look
[03:57] <Pici> sayers: Looks like the Human theme's emblems look like that now.
[03:58] <sayers> So a different theme = normal emblems
[03:59] <Pici> sayers: They look more normal with the Tango theme
[03:59] <Pici> Rather, Tango iconet
[03:59] <Pici> s/iconet/iconset
[04:00] <sayers> Clear Looks it is :)
[04:15] <Some_Person> Is there any way to boot the Gutsy live cd with the nvidia-glx driver enabled?
[04:18] <bigon> hi, The last version of the update-notifier package is broken, see bug #132941
[04:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132941 in update-notifier "Package 0.59.2 broken" [High,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132941
[04:18] <Some_Person> Is there any way to boot the Gutsy live cd with the nvidia-glx driver enabled?
[04:23] <calc> Hobbsee: wonder what assid meant wrt normal
[04:24] <Hobbsee> calc: no idea, but ooo still doesnt start with kubuntu, without -gnome
[04:25] <Some_Person> I'm trying out Gutsy using the live cd
[04:25] <Some_Person> I've already found several bugs
[04:26] <Some_Person> Where do I report bugs?
[04:26] <Hobbsee> !bugs
[04:26] <calc> Hobbsee: yes, i am planning on fixing that in the next few days
[04:26] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[04:26] <Hobbsee> calc: ah right, so it is known
[04:27] <calc> Hobbsee: i finally got the go ahead from the author of the patch that fixes the issue
[04:27] <Some_Person> Where would I report bugs?
[04:27] <Hobbsee> calc: neat
[04:27] <Hobbsee> Some_Person: you asked that 1 minute ago.  the answer has not changed.
[04:27] <Some_Person> No one answered
[04:27] <Hobbsee> [00:26]  <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[04:27] <Hobbsee> is that not an answer?
[04:27] <Some_Person> i did not see that message
[04:28] <Hobbsee> oh, you quit, right
[04:28] <Some_Person> Gutsy live cd seems buggier than I expected
[04:29] <Some_Person> I was able to get the nvidia-glx driver to run on the live cd
[04:32] <Some_Person> And I think the desktop effects need a lot of work
[04:34] <Some_Person> also, why is XTerm included?
[04:36] <Some_Person> What is Gutsy using for the effects? Compiz Fusion?
[04:56] <Some_Person> How do you configure desktop effects on gutsy?
[04:57] <Some_Person> I can't get ccsm to run
[04:57] <Pici> Did you install it?
[04:57] <Some_Person> Obviously
[04:58] <Some_Person> Note: I'm using the Live CD
[04:58] <Some_Person> http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/33936/
[04:59] <Pici> oh...
[05:02] <sayers> well eh, Update-Notifier just broke on me
[05:02] <Some_Person> its broken on this live cd too
[05:02] <sayers> Well it just broke
[05:02] <sayers> aptitude cant fix it
[05:02] <sayers> so I guess I wait ?
[05:04] <Some_Person> Seems like Gutsy is nowhere near release time
[05:04] <sayers> simple reinstall should work
[05:04] <sayers> Some_Person, ofcorse not theres still like 2 months
[05:04] <Hobbsee> sayers: yes, there are bugs filed on that
[05:04] <Some_Person> Well I hope the developers do a lot of work in those 2 months
[05:05] <Some_Person> Especially on the desktop effects
[05:05] <sayers> ubuntu wont be as new feeling as Kubuntu will
[05:05] <leperkhanz> What's the easiest way to take a screen cast, and then put it on YouTube?
[05:05] <Some_Person> Why's that?
[05:05] <sayers> kde4 is susposed to be great
[05:05] <Hobbsee> Some_Person: please run  ldd /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/compizconfig.so | grep local and pastebin the output.
[05:05] <w00t> kubuntu is probably going to kde4
[05:05] <Hobbsee> w00t: it wont be.  not for gutsy
[05:05] <leperkhanz> This release?
[05:06] <w00t> Hobbsee: ok
[05:06] <sayers> I dont see whats so great about kde4 though :s
[05:06] <Some_Person> kubuntu is kde4 in gutsy+1 i think
[05:06] <w00t> i'm still not touching kde with a bargepole
[05:06] <Some_Person> Hobbsee: I get no output
[05:06] <leperkhanz> Which software should I use to make a screen cast?  What's most stable in Gutsy atm?
[05:06] <sayers> there are updates daily Some_Person
[05:07] <Hobbsee> Some_Person: please join #ubuntu-bugs
[05:07] <Some_Person> All I know is the desktop effects are worse than they are in Feisty
[05:07] <sayers> leperkhanz, the whole fun is unstable things
[05:07] <Hobbsee> Some_Person: it's changed a lot.
[05:07] <leperkhanz> They're steadily getting better.
[05:08] <w00t> sayers: it's been surprisingly stable so far, considering how far out it is
[05:08] <Some_Person> Especially since there is no way to configure the effects.
[05:08] <w00t> the thing that pisses me off the most would still be tracker <-> deskbar
[05:08] <leperkhanz> Yeah, I've been surprised by the stability too, though I did lose a valuable drive... :(
[05:08] <leperkhanz> When I try to access it, I have to restart X.
[05:08] <w00t> Some_Person: there is
[05:08] <Some_Person> w00t: how?
[05:09] <leperkhanz> system pref compiz
[05:09] <w00t> let me try figure it out, i did this a few days/week ago
[05:09] <Hobbsee> Some_Person: would be helpful if you could actually answer in #ubuntu-bugs, the questions being asked of you
[05:09] <Some_Person> leperkhanz: theres no such thing
[05:09] <leperkhanz> you have to install it in synaptic.
[05:09] <Some_Person> Note: I'm on the live cd
[05:09] <leperkhanz> it's not in by default.
[05:09] <Some_Person> Is it that ccsm thing?
[05:09] <leperkhanz> compiz config setting manager.
[05:09] <leperkhanz> yeah.
[05:10] <w00t> ^ yeah, that
[05:10] <Some_Person> i cant get that to run
[05:10] <Hobbsee> Some_Person: otherwise you have absolutely no right to complain about *any* bugs you encounter.
[05:10] <Some_Person> well, i found 2 just booting the dang thing
[05:10] <Hobbsee> greetings, mvo
[05:10] <leperkhanz> It's ALPHA Some_Person.
[05:10] <Some_Person> one kinda major, one not major at all
[05:10] <leperkhanz> That's how it works!
[05:11] <leperkhanz> Wait till October, or stick to Feisty.
[05:11] <leperkhanz> Or report the bugs in detail.
[05:11] <Some_Person> That's why I haven't installed gutsy
[05:11] <Hobbsee> mvo: sorry about this - Some_Person doesnt seem to be interested in stopping complaining about the bugs to give useful input over a bug he's being asked about.
[05:12] <Some_Person> alright, i will give some good input
[05:12] <Hobbsee> oh, there we go.
[05:12] <Some_Person> Bug #1: Changing screen resolution on live cd menu results in black screen and weird noise from computer.
[05:12] <Hobbsee> Some_Person: about the pastebin you reported.  [01:08]  <seb128> libcompizconfig0 installed version?
[05:13] <Hobbsee> Some_Person: the ccsm
[05:13] <Some_Person> Bug #2: ccsm fails to run, terminal output: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/33936/
[05:13] <Hobbsee> Some_Person: suggestion:  listen to what's being asked fo you, asnwer that.
[05:13] <Hobbsee> Some_Person: so as to stop wasting developer time.
[05:13] <Some_Person> ok
[05:14] <Hobbsee> Some_Person: now, [01:08]  <seb128> libcompizconfig0 installed version?
[05:14] <Some_Person> how would i know? i installed ccsm from repository
[05:15] <Hobbsee> apt-cache policy libcompizconfig0
[05:15] <Some_Person>   Installed: 0.0+git20070725-0ubuntu2
[05:15] <Some_Person>   Candidate: 0.5.2-0ubuntu1
[05:16] <Some_Person> i probably have several outdated packages, the update manager is broken
[05:17] <Hobbsee> mvo: do i want to ask why the update manager broke?
[05:17] <Hobbsee> mvo: we're getting some bugs in about it
[05:17] <Hobbsee> Some_Person: can you update to the latest stuff, via apt?
[05:17] <Some_Person> sure
[05:17] <Pici> Perhaps you should try updating manually until the manager is fixed
[05:17] <mvo> Hobbsee: the kde side, right?
[05:17] <Some_Person> i'll do it using synaptic, is that ok?
[05:18] <mvo> sure
[05:18] <Hobbsee> mvo: https://launchpad.net/bugs/132941 https://launchpad.net/bugs/132942
[05:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132941 in update-notifier "Package 0.59.2 broken" [High,New]
[05:19] <Hobbsee> mvo: nope, looks like your side
[05:19] <Some_Person> as long as i dont have to reboot here, i'm fine
[05:19] <Some_Person> because this is the live cd
[05:20] <Pici> hmm
[05:20] <Hobbsee> shouldnt need to, for ccsm
[05:20] <mvo> Hobbsee: update-notifier? that is taken care of. is there anything wrong with update-manager too?
[05:20] <Pici> Some_Person: Which tribe's livecd?
[05:20] <Hobbsee> mvo: oh, meh.  i thought they were the same, sorry
[05:20] <Some_Person> Pici: I downloaded it yesterday, so whatever the latest is
[05:20] <Pici> Some_Person: Okay, just checking :)
[05:21] <leperkhanz> after sudo apt-get install -f, I get this:
[05:21] <leperkhanz> /var/cache/apt/archives/update-notifier-common_0.59.2_all.deb
[05:21] <leperkhanz> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:21] <leperkhanz> and also I'm getting an error that $HOME/drmc file is being ignored on boot.
[05:21] <mvo> Hobbsee: no worries, thanks
[05:21] <Hobbsee> leperkhanz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/132941
[05:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132941 in update-notifier "Package 0.59.2 broken" [High,New]
[05:21] <leperkhanz> Probably separate problems.
[05:21] <Some_Person> Also: one suggestion, make an option to start the live cd with nvidia-glx!
[05:21] <mvo> leperkhanz: sorry for that, this is currently worked on
[05:21] <leperkhanz> oh, cool
[05:21] <Some_Person> that was a pain for me to figure out how to use live
[05:22] <w00t> oh, update-notifier hasn't been fixed? then my question is answered before I ask :P
[05:22] <leperkhanz> how about my home/drmc being ignored problem?
[05:22] <Hobbsee> leperkhanz: probably a different person deals with that - maybe in debian
[05:22] <leperkhanz> That's right before I leave the username password screen and load the desktop.
[05:23] <Hobbsee> mvo: hmm.  ccsm's working here
[05:23] <Hobbsee> Info: No sexy-python package found, don't worry it's optional.
[05:23] <Some_Person> My live session still says it needs to reboot for nvidia-glx
[05:23] <frax> does anyone have an idea what might be wrong with my wireless networkcard, I have installed the drivers and enabled the card in bios but I only get 2 interfaces, loopback and eth0 which is not the wireless one.. any tips? thanks
[05:23] <Some_Person> but i got it running anyway
[05:23] <Some_Person> by killing/restarting X
[05:24] <jussi01> frax: what type of card?
[05:26] <Hobbsee> mvo: then again, during running ccsm, i get...
[05:26] <Hobbsee> Traceback (most recent call last):
[05:26] <Hobbsee>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ccm/Utils.py", line 138, in Update
[05:26] <Hobbsee>     changedSettings = self.Context.ChangedSettings
[05:26] <frax> jussi01: Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02)
[05:26] <Hobbsee> AttributeError: 'compizconfig.Context' object has no attribute 'ChangedSettings'
[05:26] <Hobbsee> Traceback (most recent call last):
[05:26] <Hobbsee>   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ccm/Utils.py", line 138, in Update
[05:26] <Hobbsee>     changedSettings = self.Context.ChangedSettings
[05:26] <Hobbsee> AttributeError: 'compizconfig.Context' object has no attribute 'ChangedSettings'
[05:26] <Hobbsee> mvo: want me to file a bug?
[05:27] <jussi01> frax: it should work out of the box...
[05:27] <frax> yeah
[05:27] <Some_Person> May I ask: Why in the world is XTerm and UXTerm included?
[05:27] <frax> I have also tried to download the gutsy tribe4 live cd but it didnt work from there either
[05:28] <jussi01> frax: thats weird, maybe the module needs to be made active?
[05:28] <frax> jussi01: ok, how to I do that? I have already "enabled" it in bios
[05:28] <w00t> Hobbsee: i get that every so often too
[05:28] <w00t> it doesn't seem to blow things up, though
[05:29] <w00t> and i can't reproduce it
[05:29] <w00t> (happens randomly)
[05:30] <jussi01> frax: i _think_ the module is iwl3945 so try "modprobe iwl3945" but I have no idea other than that...
[05:32] <jussi01> frax: could also be ipw3945
[05:32] <Pici> I was just going to say that
[05:32] <jussi01> :)
[05:33] <frax> jussi01: got an error on iwl3945, but not on ipw3945 but nothing seems to have changed
[05:33] <jussi01> frax: hmmm, I dont know other thatn that...
[05:34] <frax> jussi01: ok.. anyway thanks for your help :)
[05:34] <Some_Person> uhh, synaptic stopped updating, the update "firefox" failed
[05:34] <Some_Person> now it isn't doing anything
[05:34] <Some_Person> but theres other updates it needs to download
[05:37] <Some_Person> what should i do?
[05:37] <Some_Person> whoops, it says the update "yelp" just failed too
[05:37] <jussi01> Some_Person: go back to the list of updates, mark the firefox one as not to be updated and tryagain?
[05:37] <Pici> Some_Person: How much ram do you have on that compuer?
[05:37] <Some_Person> 640MB
[05:38] <Pici> How much is used now?
[05:38] <Some_Person> how do i check?
[05:38] <Some_Person> Wait
[05:38] <Pici> cat /proc/meminfo
[05:39] <Some_Person> Nautilus says Free Space: 0 bytes
[05:39] <Some_Person> http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/33940/
[05:40] <Pici> Hm..
[05:40] <Pici> I'm just wondering if you're running out of RAM to download stuff into while doing your update.
[05:40] <Some_Person> do you think the live cd used up all my ram?
[05:40] <Some_Person> looks like it ded
[05:40] <Some_Person> *did
[05:41] <Some_Person> i refuse to do an install
[05:42] <Some_Person> how about i clear the APT cache and update only python, compiz, and dependencies?
[05:43] <Pici> I wonder if you could grab a daily build iso and test with that.
[05:44] <Some_Person> daily build?
[05:44] <Some_Person> great idea
[05:44] <Pici> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20070816/
[05:44] <Some_Person> Server not found
[05:44] <Some_Person> cdimage.ubuntu.com must be down
[05:44] <Pici> Its working here fine
[05:44] <Some_Person> not here
[05:45] <Some_Person> hang on
[05:45] <Some_Person> i cant access google
[05:45] <Pici> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/daily-live/20070816/
[05:45] <Some_Person> that got me there
[05:45] <Some_Person> looks like my DNS stuff is screwed up
[05:45] <albert23> daily builds seem to be broken atm
[05:45] <Hobbsee> can anyone else reproduce the ccsm not starting?
[05:46] <sayers> Why can't I seem to change mouse cursors
[05:46] <Hobbsee> else it's probably been fixed in later versions
[05:46] <Hobbsee> albert23: not surprising.  things are still broken
[05:46] <albert23> I mean, they don'install at all
[05:46] <Some_Person> so should i get a daily build?
[05:46] <albert23> seems to be a problem with mount
[05:47] <Some_Person> mount is a major thing
[05:47] <Some_Person> they probably did fix the ccsm thing im having trouble with
[05:48] <albert23> Hobbsee: bug 131981
[05:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131981 in debian-installer "[gutsy]  Daily CD Aug 12 fails: no valid kernel, mount segfault" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131981
[05:48] <Some_Person> im gonna clear the apt cache (to gain some space), and update only python and compiz stuff
[05:49] <Hobbsee> i *really* doubt the daily builds will solve the problem
[05:49] <Hobbsee> albert23: odd.
[05:49] <Hobbsee> they tend not to work between tribes, though
[05:50] <Pici> Hobbsee: My thought was that he was using up all his RAM updating his packages, thats why I suggested it
[05:50] <Some_Person> uhh, gotta fix dns first
[05:51] <Some_Person> that was easy
[05:52] <shirish> has somebody filed a bug about the update-notification upgrade failing?
[05:52] <Some_Person> would it save space if i could make it use my swap partition for swap, or is it already doing so?
[05:54] <Some_Person> ok, i updated just compiz and python stuff, and ccsm still wont start
[05:54] <Some_Person> OH NO! MY DISHWASHER IS LEAKING!
[05:56] <Some_Person> *sigh*, now i got a big puddle on the kitchen floor, *sigh*
[05:58] <Pici> I dont think we can help you with that
[05:58] <Some_Person> I know you can't
[05:59] <Some_Person> Unless you know how to repair a more-than-15-year-old dishwasher
[05:59] <leperkhanz> Sock her in the face, and say, "get the @#%^ back in the kitchen!"?
[06:00] <leperkhanz> :P
[06:00] <Some_Person> I know, I know, it's old
[06:01] <Some_Person> My refridgerator is also more than 15 years old though.
[06:02] <leperkhanz> Man, when compiz is working right, it's really a dream.
[06:02] <Some_Person> I've got it working, I just can't configure it
[06:02] <Some_Person> But I still get the white titlebar bug I get on Feisty
[06:03] <Some_Person> I get the same bug in compiz, beryl, and compiz fusion on Feisty
[06:04] <geser> Some_Person: are you looking for a configuration tool for compiz?
[06:04] <Some_Person> ccsm isn't working on this gutsy live cd
[06:05] <geser> :(
[06:05] <Some_Person> Is there another compiz/beryl/compiz-fusion alike thing that i can try, that hopefully wont have the bug?
[06:06] <Some_Person> by "the bug" i mean the white titlebar bug
[06:06] <Hobbsee> Pici: indeed.  could well be.
[06:06] <Some_Person> ooh, my lights just flickered
[06:07] <Some_Person> not good
[06:08] <Some_Person> its these @#%^ing apartments!
[06:09] <Some_Person> If you want to see my review of the apartments: http://www.apartmentratings.com/rate/TX-Houston-Stratford-House-Apartments-647732.html
[06:33] <buz> i just got a brandnew dell latitude d830 and installed gutsy on it, everything works splendidly except for sound
[06:34] <buz> i dont even have /dev/dsp
[06:52] <nr5-ubuntu> Some_Person XTerm roXx is fast and.... well u know enlightenment
[06:54] <neo2dot0> hi, how do I install acroread?
[06:54] <Hobbsee> !medibuntu
[06:54] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[06:55] <Hobbsee> or by going to the adobe site
[06:55] <neo2dot0> ok, thanks
[06:55] <stdin> why do you need acroread, kpdf rocks :)
[06:55] <Hobbsee> neo2dot0: (it's illegal to redistribute)
[06:55] <stdin> gpdf is ok too, i guess
[06:56] <nr5-ubuntu> pdftk
[07:07] <ccooke> Hmm. update-notifier (and hence ubuntu-desktop) appear to be rather... broken.
[07:07] <Hobbsee> ccooke: known, fix already uploaded
[07:08] <ccooke> I figured it was known, but I couldn't find any bugs open
[07:09] <buz> because kpdf still doesnt render all pdfs exactly right
[07:09] <buz> and no support for forms either
[07:09] <Hobbsee> ccooke: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/132941
[07:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132941 in update-notifier "Package 0.59.2 broken" [High,Fix released]
[07:09] <Hobbsee> ccooke: probably cos htey're not open :)
[07:10] <Hobbsee> ccooke: they're fix released
[07:10] <ccooke> Hobbsee: ... so updating now should fix it?
[07:10] <Hobbsee> should do
[07:10] <ccooke> nope.
[07:10] <Hobbsee> depending on your mirror, etc
[07:11] <ccooke> 0.59.3 is displaying the same problem, on this system
[07:12] <buz> can i use kwin_composite in gutsy?
[07:12] <Assid> cupsys is broken :(
[07:13] <Assid> i cant print no more
[07:14] <Assid> anyone around?
[07:18] <Assid> stdin: you around?
[07:19] <stdin> depends what for :p
[07:19] <Assid> you got a printer connected?
[07:19] <stdin> yeah, but through samba
[07:19] <stdin> not that I ever actually use it...
[07:20] <mzuverink> Anyone know how to fix this error with the updates to update-notifier and update-notifier-common?  http://pastebin.org/636
[07:20] <Assid> damn
[07:20] <Assid> cups is broken in gutsy..
[07:20] <stdin> mzuverink: that's some html...
[07:22] <mzuverink> stdin, well that did not work, webboard did it to me again, anyways... Unpacking update-notifier (from .../update-notifier_0.59.3_i386.deb) ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/update-notifier_0.59.3_i386.deb (--unpack):  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/update-notifier/notify-reboot-required', which is also in package update-notifier-common Errors were encountered while processing:  /var/cache/apt/archives/
[07:22] <mzuverink> update-notifier_0.59.3_i386.deb
[07:23] <stdin> mzuverink: have you reported that as a bug?
[07:23] <mzuverink> stdin, it just happened, thought Id check here first
[07:23] <Assid> update-notifier is a bad update
[07:24] <Assid> it breaks things
[07:24] <ccooke> I reopened the bug a few mins ago
[07:24] <Pici> #?
[07:25] <ccooke> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/132941
[07:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132941 in update-notifier "Package 0.59.2 broken" [High,Confirmed]
[07:25] <ccooke> the email about it only just reached me, so don't expect anyone to be looking at it again quite yet
[07:26] <Assid> Aug 16 22:54:35 INTELBOX python: [12633] : error: HPMUDEXT could not be loaded. Please check HPLIP installation.
[07:28] <shirish> anybody having the update-notifier not being able to upgrade cleanly bug?
[07:29] <Assid> Aug 16 22:58:28 INTELBOX kernel: [ 4086.298495]  audit(1187285308.508:96): REJECTING rw access to /dev/tty (bash(13499) profile /usr/sbin/cupsd active /usr/sbin/cupsd)
[07:29] <Assid> when i try to print
[07:43] <johnficca> ok so I have broken dependencies, I think it has to do with update-notifier-common...is there a fix
[07:44] <Pici> No, its a known issue though.
[07:45] <johnficca> ok cool so it should be fixed soon
[07:46] <mzuverink> Assid, my hp printer wont work either
[07:56] <Assid> they should really fix that
[07:56] <Assid> its kinda impt
[08:00] <Assid> brb
[08:04] <finalbeta> ubuntu never spell checks "virtualsization"
[08:04] <finalbeta> worth filing a bug against something?
[08:05] <hylje> there is a spellchecker?
[08:05] <guignome> hey eveybody
[08:06] <guignome> I booted the Gutsy tribe 4 CD on my dell inspiron 1420 (the ubuntu preloaded dell laptop). It crashes in the initrd
[08:07] <Assid> mzuverink: there has to be a way to get the hp printers working
[08:09] <finalbeta> hylje: the spell checker gnome user, gspell or whatever.
[08:10] <Assid> anyone know who the maintainer is for cups?
[08:11] <calc> Assid: what were you asking about wrt openoffice earlier today?
[08:11] <Assid> calc: yessir
[08:11] <Assid> it doesnt work
[08:12] <Assid> developer snapshot 2.x and after the bar loads.. it doesnt start
[08:12] <calc> Assid: heh, yes that is known, if you are running kde then install -gtk -gnome openoffice packages will probably fix it, i should have a fixed upload done in the next few days
[08:12] <calc> Assid: if you are just running gnome ubuntu then -gtk may be enough to fix it
[08:12] <Assid> openoffice-gtk ?
[08:12] <calc> openoffice.org-gtk yea
[08:16] <Assid> insalling
[08:16] <Assid> am loading up some more stuff..  so will take a few
[08:30] <calc> Assid: ok
[08:40] <freakyy> hi all. im on gutsy and the ati driver isn't working - vesa neither. I'd need someone to give me the direct download link of the newest ATI Driver for the Radeon Mobility X700. I can't get there with lynx. It would be really nice if someone could help me. ;)
[08:40] <freakyy> afaik the newest driver supports Xorg 7.1
[08:42] <freakyy> if i use the ati driver the screen goes blank and nothing is displayed can't even use CTRL+ALT+F?
[08:42] <freakyy> so i need to install the fglrx one
[08:44] <freakyy> nm got it thx
[08:52] <Joanie> hey.  Any known issues regarding the latest updates?  Seems xorg is not happy with my multi-head system, but I'm not sure how to go about fixing it.
[08:59] <c1|freaky> should composite and stuff work by default in gutsy?
[09:00] <DanaG> Argh, somehow my e1000 network card keeps crashing when under heavy load, such as torrenting.
[09:01] <DanaG> NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out
[09:13] <kiba> hello
[09:13] <kiba> I am having problem with mozilla-gnash-plugin
[09:13] <kiba> so hundred of my packages are outdated
[09:14] <nr5-ubuntu> gutsy is strange: xserver-xorg-video-ati is somehow GONE... and -amd seems to not provide a ati module
[09:15] <stdin> xserver-xorg-video-ati is there, at least I can see it
[09:16] <kiba> mozilla-gnash is the first to be tried for installation
[09:16] <nr5-ubuntu> stdin so what did i do this time... eat my sources.list?? ... hmmz while talking about eating... im thinking about heating the partly eaten pizza ration
[09:17] <kelsa|martalli> Doing an upgrade-manager -d from feisty I got an error to the effect that gutsy-commercial not found
[09:17] <stdin> possibly, it's in main anyway (x86)
[09:17] <kelsa|martalli> Should I just comment out the sources.list line for feisty-commercial?
[09:18] <stdin> kelsa|martalli: yeah, best to remove all the non *.archive.ubuntu.com ones
[09:18] <kelsa|martalli> This system has been updated all the way from dapper (some sources are commented out for dapper)
[09:18] <masterloki> right
[09:18] <kelsa|martalli> stdin:  thanks
[09:18] <masterloki> update-notifier-daemon broken it seems
[09:18] <Pici> Yep
[09:18] <masterloki> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/update-notifier-common_0.59.3_all.deb (--unpack):
[09:18] <masterloki>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/update-notifier/notify-reboot-required', which is also in package update-notifier
[09:18] <kelsa|martalli> deb-src is OK, though, right?
[09:18] <masterloki> known problem then?
[09:19] <masterloki> just wait for it to be fixed?
[09:19] <Pici> masterloki: Yes.
[09:19] <masterloki> sweet
[09:19] <masterloki> <<---- databuddy @ masterloki;s compy
[09:19] <masterloki> i told him that just now
[09:19] <masterloki> XD
[09:19] <masterloki> /zing/
[09:19] <masterloki> ty
[09:20] <Pici> gnyffel: I'm using 2.6.22-9 right now.
[09:21] <gnyffel> Pici: I never could get newer kernels to work, what with the precompiled Ubuntu drivers
[09:21] <finalbeta> !paste
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[09:21] <Pici> gnyffel: Rather, I'm using that on Gutsy, so everything is good.
[09:21] <gnyffel> Pici: Oh, so 2.6.22.* is regarded as security updates, and will be incorporated?
[09:22] <Pici> gnyffel: I'm not really an authority on this
[09:22] <gnyffel> Pici: But you do have a good bet? Or..?
[09:23] <Pici> gnyffel: You could ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[09:23] <gnyffel> Pici: I'll try that. Thank you.
[09:24] <nr5-ubuntu> stdin, my sources.list got entries for de.archive.ubuntu.com with main universe multiverse restricted
[09:24] <kelsa|martalli> I am trying to clear out my archives, etc, to free up space.  However, is there  a way to have update-manager use the space on my home partition?  It is much larger
[09:24] <nr5-ubuntu> stdin, still no -ati driver apt-cache searcheable
[09:24] <stdin> nr5-ubuntu: if you do "apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-ati" do you see it ?
[09:26] <nr5-ubuntu> kelsa|martalli, sure login as root, then go to /var/cache/apt, then rename archives to archiveS, then mkdir /home/archives, then ln -s /home/archives /var/cache/apt/archives, then move your archiveS/ directory to /home/archives
[09:27] <nr5-ubuntu> i see something
[09:28] <nr5-ubuntu> stdin ok i deleted the PIN in /etc/apt/preferences (because the revision i requested had no install candidate) and installed it
[09:28] <nr5-ubuntu> stdin thanks!
[09:28] <stdin> :)
[09:29] <Assid> calc: worked.. thanks mate
[09:29] <calc> Assid: ok
[09:29] <Assid> now if i cna get my printer.. i will be happy
[09:29] <Assid> anyone know the price for a geforce 6600GT ?
[09:31] <kelsa|martalli> nr5-ubuntu:  I get this trying to rename the /var/cache/apt/archives directory: bryan@pundit:/var/cache/apt$ sudo rename archives/ archiveaS/
[09:31] <kelsa|martalli> syntax error at (eval 1) line 2, at EOF
[09:31] <nr5-ubuntu> kelsa|martalli, then use the command "mv"
[09:32] <nr5-ubuntu> instead of rename
[09:32] <kelsa|martalli> mv: target `archiveS/' is not a directory: No such file or directory
[09:32] <kelsa|martalli> hmmm
[09:32] <kelsa|martalli> one sec
[09:32] <stdin> take off trailing slashes
[09:32] <kelsa|martalli> aha
[09:32] <kelsa|martalli> thx
[09:34] <c1|freaky> I'd need some help: http://rafb.net/p/tAJfvo84.html (apt problem)
[09:34] <nr5-ubuntu> stdin, -ati installed correctly but i get: [dri]  mach64.o kernel module version is 1.0.0, but version 2.x is needed (with 2.x >= 2.0)
[09:35] <stdin> hmm, don't know about that, I don't use ati
[09:36] <nr5-ubuntu> stdin, ok
[09:36] <stdin> intel ftw :)
[09:37] <kelsa|martalli> q6600n for my next comp
[09:38] <kelsa|martalli> s/q6600n/q6600
[09:59] <kelsa|martalli> One of my main problems was the openclipart package (thank you automatix =)
[10:00] <kelsa|martalli> after going through synaptic to clear out packages, I cleaned out several old versions of the kernel and then found those old (and heft) pckages
[10:00] <kelsa|martalli> Maybe now I will have space to install kde, too =)
[10:02] <DanaG> I remember hearing that Intel was planning to use the name Quadro for something.
[10:02] <DanaG> And naming things 6600... 7600.... ugh, nvidia got there first.
[10:03] <DanaG> Oh, and now "GeForce 8500" and the speculated "GeForce 9800" are colliding with ATI's numbering a few years ago.
[10:04] <c1|freaky> how can I get beryl working? is it possible when i use a ati graphics card with the newest driver from ati.com?
[10:04] <c1|freaky> i have a mobility X700
[10:09] <kelsa|martalli> w00t: fetching file 1 of 1368
[10:09] <kelsa|martalli> Im off to the races =)
[10:22] <shirish>  guys just a shot in the dark, does anybody of a personal document backup system (automated with nice GUI) which uses subversion by any chance?
[10:22] <shirish> so let's say i am taking some notes on gedit or openoffice.org & keep updating/refining something, svn takes snapshots at some given interval & I can always go back & forth & see what changes i did.
[10:24] <Do``> heyhey
[10:25] <Do``> why does my machine keep outputting sound and stuff when the volume control shows muted volume settings?
[10:26] <Do``> this is the way it worked in 7.04 for 7-8 months and it's like that in gusty too
[10:26] <jussi01> Do``: mute the pcm
[10:27] <finalbeta> Do``: that's weird, in gutsy thay is fixed for me
[10:27] <jussi01> just change the channel your volume contrals from master to pcm ;)
[10:27] <Do``> i know how to mute, but shouldnt the volume control's mute position also achieve this? :D
[10:27] <Do``> jussi01: how? where? what? :D
[10:27] <jussi01> Do``: using gnome?
[10:27] <finalbeta> the thing is, 0 os not an absolute point for soundcards
[10:27] <Do``> uhum
[10:28] <jussi01> if so, right click volume control on the taskbar, select master channel, then select the channel you want it to control, something like that anyway
[10:29] <Do``> thanks, i'll check rightaway
[10:29] <jussi01> :)
[10:30] <Do``> it works
[10:30] <d4rkmonkey> update manager says theres an update for dpkg under Distribution updates but it won't let me update :S
[10:30] <Do``> but its a workaround nevertheless
[10:31] <Do``> d4rkmonkey: same here, but it also says traceroute to me
[10:31] <jussi01> Do``: no, its just like that for certain sound cards
[10:31] <d4rkmonkey> any idea why
[10:31] <d4rkmonkey> ?
[10:31] <Do``> like an sb live! 5.1?
[10:31] <Do``> d4rkmonkey: nop
[10:32] <Do``> d4rkmonkey: i just noticed it a few minutes ago, havent started looking around for a fix
[10:32] <jussi01> @now helsinki
[10:32] <ubotu> Current time in Europe/Helsinki: August 16 2007, 23:32:21 - Current meeting: Ubuntu Development Team
[10:36] <kelsa|martalli> @now st. louis
[10:37] <kelsa|martalli> @now chicago
[10:37] <ubotu> Current time in America/Chicago: August 16 2007, 15:37:14 - Current meeting: Ubuntu Development Team
[10:38] <Tall_guy26> hey all
[10:39] <Tall_guy26> has anyone encounterd an broken package after performing the updates?
[10:40] <Do``> Tall_guy26: traceroute and/or dpkg?
[10:42] <Tall_guy26> dpkg a
[10:43] <WormRunner> i am getting dependency issues trying to install the base system, possibly dpkg issue
[10:43] <Tall_guy26> error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/update-notifier-common_0.59.3_all.deb (--unpack):
[10:43] <Tall_guy26>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/update-notifier/notify-reboot-required', which is also in package update-notifier
[10:43] <Tall_guy26> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:43] <Tall_guy26>  /var/cache/apt/archives/update-notifier-common_0.59.3_all.deb
[10:43] <Tall_guy26> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:44] <Tall_guy26> is that an isolated case?
[10:45] <Do``> Tall_guy26: i think i saw that today
[10:45] <Do``> but it disappeared after a few more update upgrade combos
[10:46] <Tall_guy26> where in the ubuntu development forum?
[10:46] <Some_Person> Can I make Feisty's taskbar have set size for items like in Gutsy?
[10:46] <Tall_guy26> do i tried doing that
[10:46] <Tall_guy26> doesnt work
[10:47] <DanaG> Heh, when I'm on AC, powertop gives me this:
[10:47] <DanaG> Power usage (5 minute ACPI estimate) :   0.0 W (1655.9 hours left)
[10:47] <Some_Person> That's the one thing in Gutsy I absolutely like
[10:51] <Do``> is there a way to set an order of the gnome panels if i want both of mine on the bottom, but the taskbar above tray and application menu?
[10:54] <Pici> Update notifier still giving issues, or is it safe to install?
[10:54] <Pici>  /upgrade
[10:56] <aka_youtube> hi
[10:57] <aka_youtube> update-notifier-common cannot upghrade with error: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/update-notifier-common_0.59.2_all.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/update-notifier/notify-reboot-required', which is also in package update-notifier
[10:58] <Pici> Guess so, aka_youtube, its a known issue, which is being worked on
[10:58] <aka_youtube> ok thanks
[10:58] <Tall_guy26> aka_youtube got the same problem
[11:00] <aka_youtube> sauerbraten won't run either...
[11:00] <aka_youtube> I don't know if Im in the right place for this kind oif reports...
[11:01] <Tall_guy26> is there a way to import the linux mint main menu in gutsy?
[11:02] <aka_youtube> $ ./sauerbraten_unix
[11:02] <aka_youtube> init: sdl
[11:02] <aka_youtube> init: enet
[11:02] <aka_youtube> init: video: mode
[11:02] <aka_youtube> init: video: misc
[11:02] <aka_youtube> init: console
[11:02] <aka_youtube> init: gl
[11:02] <aka_youtube> Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945G 20061017 (Tungsten Graphics, Inc)
[11:02] <aka_youtube> Driver: 1.3 Mesa 7.0
[11:02] <aka_youtube> WARNING: Using floating point vertexes. (use "/floatvtx 0" to disable)
[11:02] <aka_youtube> Rendering using the OpenGL 1.5 assembly shader path.
[11:02] <aka_youtube> WARNING: No occlusion query support! (large maps may be SLOW)
[11:02] <aka_youtube> WARNING: No framebuffer object support. (reflective water may be slow)
[11:02] <aka_youtube> WARNING: Non-power-of-two textures not supported!
[11:02] <aka_youtube> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[11:03] <Pici> !paste | aka_youtube
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[11:03] <Pici> Tall_guy26: What does that look like?
[11:03] <aka_youtube> ok
[11:04] <Tall_guy26> well hmmm i guess i can look for an image
[11:04] <c1|freaky> should adept be installed in kubuntu?
[11:04] <aka_youtube> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/33993/
[11:05] <c1|freaky> because it isn't and when i try to install it says it shouldnt be isntalled
[11:05] <Pici> There is a gnome-main-menu that might be what you're looking for
[11:06] <kaminix> So, like... what's new in Gutsy?
[11:06] <c1|freaky> too much to list ^^
[11:06] <c1|freaky> nice new graphics
[11:06] <speaker219> please help me
[11:06] <c1|freaky> usplash is still the same though
[11:06] <speaker219> gusty messeded uppy my comp
[11:06] <kaminix> Is there a list somewhere else?
[11:07] <Pici> kaminix: check the gutsy blueprints on lp.net
[11:08] <speaker219> can someonnle help me?
[11:08] <Assid> hey
[11:08] <Pici> !please | speaker219
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[11:08] <Pici> er, just ask
[11:08] <kaminix> will do, thanks Pici
[11:08] <Tall_guy26> http://linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/cassandra/2.png
[11:08] <Assid> err.. anyone know a decent card similar to or better than 6600GT? under 60$ ?
[11:08] <Tall_guy26> there you go
[11:09] <speaker219> I've tried mint, its great
[11:09] <kaminix> How stable is Gutsy now?
[11:09] <Pici> Tall_guy26: gnome-main-menu is similar, but not exactly the same.
[11:09] <aka_youtube> !please
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[11:10] <Tall_guy26> pici im not a fan of the gnome-main-menu. its buggy
[11:10] <aka_youtube> !patience
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[11:10] <Pici> !botabuse | aka_youtube
[11:10] <ubotu> aka_youtube: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[11:10] <Stormx2> Yo.
[11:10] <Pici> Yo
[11:10] <Assid> hrmm
[11:10] <Stormx2> What's the best way to "downgrade"? Back up and reinstall?
[11:11] <Pici> Stormx2: Yes.
[11:11] <shirish> does anybody how do I do use the "purge" option with apt-get?
[11:11] <Assid> yep
[11:11] <Pici> shirish: apt-get remove --purge package I believe
[11:12] <shirish> Pici: thanx
[11:13] <Assid> Aug 17 02:42:03 INTELBOX kernel: [ 3095.041598]  audit(1187298723.561:28): REJECTING m access to /etc/passwd (cupsd(5459) profile /usr/sbin/cupsd active /usr/sbin/cupsd)
[11:13] <Assid> anyone got their hp printer working yet ?
[11:15] <Tall_guy26> havent tried mine yet
[11:16] <Assid> did you choose the new securetty ?
[11:19] <Tall_guy26> nop
[11:20] <Assid> hrmm okay
[11:20] <Assid> i think i did.. and now its breaking onme
[11:20] <Assid> try it
[11:21] <Assid> anyone here maintaining cups by any chance?
[11:28] <Assid> kiba ?
[11:28] <Assid> isnt that some kinda docker?
[11:31] <kaminix> Is Gutsy stable enough for a "normal" home laptop?
[11:31] <kiba> I think it is common
[11:31] <kiba> it mean fang
[11:32] <kaminix> kiba: Not in names though? :s
[11:36] <jussi01> kaminix: read the topic....
[11:36] <jussi01> ie.  Please *don't* run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc
[11:36] <jussi01> ;)
[11:37] <kaminix> Well, I am a little but... well... that answers my question. Thanks :p
[11:37] <jussi01> :)
[11:44] <borisa> anyone else having trouble getting kubuntu to connect to a wep protected wireless network? This isn't related to drivers, as I see the wireless gateway, it just hangs when connecting.
[11:52] <Instabin> Could some one help me make a deb package for ubuntu
[11:53] <Instabin> I am compiling the new version of gpredict
[11:58] <albert23> Instabin: do you need to make an offical debian package or is it only for yourself?
[12:00] <albert23> If it is for yourself you could use checkinstall
[12:15] <Assid> hrmm
[12:15] <Assid> kiba: how do i get kibadock ?
[12:18] <jussi01> Assid: you could also grab awn, if you run beryl/desktop effects/compiz
[12:18] <jussi01> or kooldock
[12:18] <jussi01> !info kooldock
[12:18] <ubotu> kooldock: Dock for KDE with cool visual enhancements. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 521 kB, installed size 964 kB
[12:18] <lontra> is compiz fusion in gutsy ... along with emerald?
[12:19] <Assid> awn ? its not there
[12:19] <jussi01> !info avant-window-navigator
[12:19] <ubotu> Package avant-window-navigator does not exist in gutsy
[12:19] <jussi01> hmmm, might not be in yet