[00:53] <Daekdroom> How exactly does apport-collect work? There's a bug filed against nvidia-graphics-drivers (which is not a package) and I don't know whether apport-collect <bug number> will work or suffice.
[01:28] <hggdh> Daekdroom: can you give me the bug #?
[01:28] <Daekdroom> hggdh, bug 988079
[01:28] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 988079 in nvidia-graphics-drivers "Dismal performance on HP Z600 with 30" landscape monitor" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/988079
[01:29] <hggdh> Daekdroom: well, it is considered a package, so apport-collect should work
[01:29] <hggdh> (and it is in Ubuntu)
[01:30] <Daekdroom> So as long as the bug is filed against something that is packaged in Ubuntu, apport-collect should work?
[01:30] <Daekdroom> Even if the project name is not the same as the package?
[01:30] <hggdh> yes
[01:30] <Daekdroom> *source name, rather
[01:30] <hggdh> there is also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Debugging with more details for X
[01:35] <bkerensa> hggdh: I wanted your advice on how I might proceed with getting Bug #972063 addressed since I have already had a Ubuntu Developer look at it and not be able to work with it but confirming the issue?
[01:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 972063 in bluez "Bluetooth Headset pairs but does not show up in Sound Settings profile" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/972063
[01:45] <hggdh> looking
[01:52] <hggdh> bkerensa: follow Mathieu suggestion -- look in the log for a failure
[01:53] <hggdh> bkerensa: I am assuming the device being worked on is the headset -- then, for example, bluetoothd[5878]: Inquiry Cancel Failed with status 0x0c
[01:53] <hggdh> bkerensa: and you should be able to open a bug upstream with it
[01:54] <bkerensa> hggdh: his last comment just requested a new copy of the logs which I did capture and there is no point of fault
[01:54] <bkerensa> it just seems like a mysterious reason its not handling it
[01:54] <hggdh> bkerensa: there is the line I show above
[01:54] <hggdh> bluetoothd[5878]: Inquiry Cancel Failed with status 0x0c
[01:54] <bkerensa> How do I report it to bluez?
[01:54] <bkerensa> heh
[01:54] <hggdh> heh
[01:54] <bkerensa> their site doesn't seem to have any info on how to report bugs
[01:55] <bkerensa> or Debian?
[01:55]  * hggdh goes look
[01:55] <bkerensa> I mean they have a mailing list but even posting to that... I have no idea how?
[01:55] <bkerensa> its a kernel.org mailing list so
[02:00] <hggdh> I agree -- better ask Mathieu
[02:01] <hggdh> or open on Debian. But we have a delta to Debian as well
[02:01] <hggdh> (for bluez, I mean)
[02:02]  * hggdh calls it a night and goes to bed
[07:48] <veger> Could someone set the importance of bug #655091 to Low and the status to triaged?
[07:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 655091 in kdepim "kmail spell checking doesn't provide visual cues to spelling errors" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/655091
[07:55] <micahg> yofel_: when you are around can you see if this is something Kubuntu wants to track (to keep open in LP) ^^
[20:34] <pabelanger> any bug supervisors care to nominate bug #989205 for a SRU for precise
[20:34] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 989205 in glance "Give glance group read permission to /etc/glance" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/989205
[20:42] <micahg> pabelanger: that change seems pointless
[20:43] <micahg> pabelanger: oh, nevermind, I'm just tired ;)
[20:43] <pabelanger> micahg: ack'd
[20:45] <micahg> pabelanger: done
[20:45] <pabelanger> micahg: danke
[21:04] <pabelanger> Same request, would a bug supervisor mind looking at bug 989241 and bug 989242, this is for a SRU for precise
[21:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 989241 in nova "Give nova group read permissions nova files / directories" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/989241
[21:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 989242 in nova "Add adm group to /var/log/nova" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/989242
[23:08] <Daekdroom> So. Whoever reported bug #988079 cannot use apport. I started digging into what information the apport hooks for nvidia-graphics-drivers provide, but I'm not sure where to get most of them without using apport.
[23:08] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 988079 in nvidia-graphics-drivers "Dismal performance on HP Z600 with 30" landscape monitor" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/988079


[15:05] <QuarxSiO2> me too :p
[21:30] <Priem19> Anyone know a good alternative for google calendar on Android? With cloud.
[21:31] <cimbakahn> Anyone around?
[21:35] <lightero1l> I'm here.
[21:39] <cimbakahn> I have been trying to install this:  https://sites.google.com/site/greatlittlebookshelf/  It is a .deb package.
[21:40] <lighterowl> okay. the package says it's for trusty, so chances are you're going to miss older versions of some hard dependencies if you're running a newer version.
[21:40] <cimbakahn> gdebi reads that i need a dependency.  I go get that dependency, and gdebi reads i need even another dependency.
[21:40] <lighterowl> yeah, that's usually how it goes. :)
[21:41] <cimbakahn> So how many dependencies do i need to get it installed?
[21:41] <brainwash> it's not 2014 anymore
[21:42] <lighterowl> cimbakahn: depends on the package, obviously. if you want to force apt to install all dependencies, try doing dpkg -i package.deb && apt install -f
[21:42] <lighterowl> but if it's such an old package, this might ... break things.
[21:42] <lighterowl> (depending on what the dependencies are)
[21:43] <cimbakahn> It is old, but it is very very good.
[21:43] <cimbakahn> I had it installed a few years back, and loved it.
[21:45] <cimbakahn> It reads that i need this:  libpoppler-qt4-4  I try to put it in and gdebi now reads i need this: libpoppler64
[21:50] <brainwash> cimbakahn: probably best to look for an alternative program
[21:50] <brainwash> the linked one is dead
[21:51] <cimbakahn> You know, I hate to see wonderful programs like this bite the dust!  It's just like 'slingscold', I can't get that installed on my computer either.
[21:52] <brainwash> the source code is available, so anyone could take it and make it work again
[21:53] <cimbakahn> Really!?
[21:53] <cimbakahn> I wish i knew how to do it.
[21:54] <brainwash> alternatively, you could set up a virtual machine for ubuntu 14.04, and run the program that way
[21:55] <cimbakahn> I wonder what happened to Mr. Petrović.
[21:57] <cimbakahn> I don't want to do that.  I just want to bring the application up to 2020.
[21:58] <lighterowl> frankly, it might turn out that it's enough to recompile the source on a new enough system.
[22:00] <lighterowl> oh wow, qt4. no thanks.
[22:00] <lighterowl> ;)
[22:00] <cimbakahn> Well, what happened to all of the dependencies?  Are people not keeping those currant anymore?
[22:01] <lighterowl> they can't be kept current because newer versions have been released.
[22:01] <lighterowl> and if a program is written to use, say, version X.Y.Z, then it might not/will not work with version X+1.Y.Z.
[22:01] <cimbakahn> And did they name those versions that same name or something else?
[22:03] <lighterowl> cimbakahn: the problem isn't in the name. the problem is that the application needs to be ported to newer versions of the appropriate libraries.
[22:06] <lighterowl> cimbakahn: if you want, I can take a look at the app and try to port it.
[22:06] <cimbakahn> How do i know what those libraries are?
[22:10] <lighterowl> cimbakahn: the application's main dependency is version 4 of the Qt library. this is a library which provides graphical interfaces for C++ applications. the application also uses Poppler (presumably to render PDF content inside it), but the version of Poppler is tied to the version of Qt.
[22:11] <lighterowl> while the new Ubuntu repositories do still provide Qt 4, they don't provide Poppler for Qt 4 anymore.
[22:14] <cimbakahn> So, it is just going to wind up being another excellent application that bit the dust!
[22:14] <lighterowl> cimbakahn: it isn't that large. might not be that time consuming to port it. I'll see what I can do.
[22:21] <cimbakahn> lighterowl, Oh wow!  Thank you!
[22:29] <lighterowl> cimbakahn: yeah, I wouldn't hold my breath - I got it to compile, the application runs, but it clearly needs a lot more work...
[22:30] <cimbakahn> Awwwww!
[22:31] <lighterowl> for example, trying to add any pdfs results in the application saying "you already have this book in your shelf".
[22:34] <lighterowl> cimbakahn: I might take this project up, will commit/update stuff here if I decide to do anything further : https://github.com/xavery/greatlittlebookshelf
[22:35] <cimbakahn> Ok.
[22:48] <cimbakahn> I got to go now.  I have this channel saved in Hexchat, and i'll keep an eye on that page you sent me.
[23:04] <lighterowl> well, this is going to be fun. 200-column lines and comments in Czech.
[23:04] <lighterowl> ;)


[07:24]  * arturt is away: I'm busy
[11:19] <lazypower> apuimedo, it was excellent! Next time, I hope you can make it :)
[11:20] <apuimedo> lazypower: I hope so too ;-)
[11:20] <apuimedo> lazypower: so who is going to the OSt Summit?
[11:20] <apuimedo> jamespage will surely be there
[11:20] <jamespage> I will yes
[11:21] <apuimedo> some presentation on nova-lxd, jamespage?
[11:22] <jamespage> apuimedo, I submitted talks, but they did not get chosen
[11:22] <jamespage> apuimedo, but I expect I'll still get an opporunity...
[11:25] <apuimedo> jamespage: lightning talks?
[11:33] <jamespage> maybe
[12:42] <jamespage> gnuoy, did you have any opiniuon on https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/charms/trusty/neutron-api/wily/+merge/271917 ?
[12:44] <gnuoy> jamespage, it's ok
[12:45] <gnuoy> I can't say I'm over the moon about abusing the interpreter to install packages
[12:46] <jamespage> gnuoy, its horrid
[12:46] <jamespage> but probably required
[12:46] <jamespage> I'm open to suggestions
[12:47] <gnuoy> jamespage, I wonder whether it's clear to actually use the install hook for this. Remove the install symlink, replace with a bash script and then call the old renamed install function
[12:47] <gnuoy> s/clear/clearer/
[12:48] <jamespage> gnuoy, that might be a bit neater yes
[12:49] <jamespage> so splitting any install related activities from interpreter resolution
[12:49] <gnuoy> yeah
[12:51] <jamespage> gnuoy, so something like - https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/charms/trusty/neutron-api/wily/+merge/271917
[12:52] <gnuoy> jamespage, exactly (although line 25 look wrong)
[12:52] <jamespage> gnuoy, hmm - really?
[12:53] <gnuoy> jamespage, which method in  ./hooks/neutron_api_hooks.py is going to be called?
[12:53] <jamespage> I think the basename will remain install so that might dtrt
[12:53] <gnuoy> oh, ok
[12:53] <gnuoy> I stand corrected
[12:54] <jamespage> just testing that now
[12:57] <jamespage> gnuoy, nope that does not work as I thought
[13:10] <jamespage> gnuoy, https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/charms/trusty/neutron-api/wily/+merge/271917
[13:10] <jamespage> revised
[13:11] <jamespage> and tested :-)
[13:13] <gnuoy> jamespage, approved. Not sure if you want to wait on osci
[13:23] <beisner> gnuoy, jamespage - on that ^ n-api test, precise-icehouse timed out (45 minutes), stuck @:  neutron-openvswitch/0 maintenance executing (config-changed) installing charm software;   not sure if that was an infra hiccup or indicative of a real issue.
[13:23] <jamespage> beisner, did not touch thatbit honest guv
[13:42] <beisner> gnuoy, jamespage - a re-run of that is also stuck in the same state, on precise-icehouse.
[13:42] <beisner> this one, caught in the act if you want to poke at it.
[13:52] <beisner> jamespage, gnuoy - the hang happens when this happens:
[13:52] <beisner> 00:12:56.675 2015-09-22 13:19:34  Adding relation neutron-api:neutron-plugin-api <-> neutron-openvswitch:neutron-plugin-api
[14:07] <redelmann> There is a better way to do this: juju debug-log -n 100 | grep --line-buffered my-service-name | awk '{$2=$3=$4=$5=$6=""; print $0}'
[14:07] <redelmann> ??
[14:45] <marcoceppi> redelmann: wow that's quite a string of commands
[14:45] <marcoceppi> there's a way to filter debug-log, but I still haven't quite figured it out
[15:09] <beisner> jamespage, observing some new wily deploy woes, assume that is the py2 affect?    ie. 2015-09-22 15:08:31 INFO install ImportError: No module named apt_pkg
[15:10] <jamespage> beisner, yes - I just stuck up MP for all OpenStack charms that resolved that problem
[15:10] <jamespage> beisner, wily will lose py2 on the cloud-image, its already loosing some implicit depends which charms assume are installed
[15:11] <beisner> jamespage, right-o.   thanks, just wanted to make sure i wasn't bumping into something else.
[15:11] <beisner> fun times!
[15:11]  * beisner re-coffees
[15:19] <Prabakaran> Hello Team,
[15:46] <marcoceppi> jamespage: do you have a bug for adding things like apt_pkg or py2 back into cloud images by way of juju?
[15:48] <bloodearnest> bundletester from pypi seems broken for me. 0.5.4/0.5.3 fail to start, and any of the 0.5 series seems to get stuck in a recursive __getattr__ lookup.
[15:48] <bloodearnest> is there somewhere else I should be looking for bundle tester
[15:48] <bloodearnest> ?
[16:03] <jamespage> marcoceppi, nope
[16:03] <marcoceppi> jamespage: do you think it's worth having juju do as part of it's cloud init?
[16:04] <jamespage> marcoceppi, I think we'll put in a install wrapper for this cycle
[16:43] <Prabakaran> Hello Team,  I am charming Platform RTM using juju framework, when i am following the silent installation procedure. i was asked give input as (Yes/No in GUI) to configure database for rsyslog-mysql with dbconfig-common. As per my requirment i will have to give input as "NO". I have tried to use pipe and expect in order to avoid tat prompt but unfortunately it doesnt worked out.  Please advise how to avoid configuring rsyslog-mysql p
[17:11] <Prabakaran> Could someone help me on my query regarding prompt?
[17:19] <rick_h_> Prabakaran: hmm, how did you give hte requirement? this is during hte install step? I'm assuming it's the package install?
[17:19] <rick_h_> Prabakaran: http://www.microhowto.info/howto/perform_an_unattended_installation_of_a_debian_package.html walks you through helping to provide commands at install time of packages that might help?
[17:22] <Prabakaran> yes it is a package install along with my product , Here for database i have used seperate charm so that we dont need to configure configure database for rsyslog-mysql with dbconfig-common. That is why i have to give No in the GUI prompt
[17:27] <Prabakaran> Thank you  rick_h ..i wil refer the link which you had sent..
[17:27] <rick_h_> Prabakaran: ah makes sense. Yes, I think you'll need to get the config passed during the install step like that doc mentions. Good luck!
[17:28] <Prabakaran> ya k i wil try.. Thanks for ur help
[21:47] <tsakas> Hi everyone. Trying to deploy nfs charm on Azure I see that the agent state on the machine for a very short period becomes dead (right after VM provisioning) and the nfs service  status becomes unknown. Has anyone seen this before?


[02:38] <JJ^4884> hey. anyone know how to reset XFCE settings to default?
[02:39] <JJ^4884> Also would like to get a clock that could fit in the dock on the left side
[02:40] <JJ^4884> to have the hour and minute section on top of the seconds and PM/AM sections
[14:15] <foca_> Hey guys. My Xubuntu sometimes lost connection with .jps websites and when I can access them, their shows a  little weird with buttons with no text. What this could be ?
[16:33] <foca_> How can I monitoring my network log to check if there are any errors happening ?
[19:33] <xubuntu74d> I am new at xubuntu. Is it possible to install chrome in Xubuntu?
[20:11] <sumrak> Hello!
[20:11] <knome> hello
[20:12] <sumrak> Есть русские?
[20:12] <knome> !ru | sumrak
[20:12] <sumrak> :)
[20:28] <pjconnect> Hey! I have installed the latest Lubuntu, but switched to xubuntu desktop. I'm having persistent stability issues; dconf-service, update-notifier, xorg, synaptic, opera browser, craches all the time. I just can pinpoint the problem as I parse the system logs with GNOME system log, which also crashes all the time.
[20:30] <pjconnect> HEy
[20:38] <well_laid_lawn> pjconnect:  sure it's not a hardware issue ?
[20:40] <pjconnect> I have installed the latest Lubuntu disto, but switched to xubuntu desktop. Now I have stability issues; dconf-service, xorg, update-notifier, synaptic, opera, crashes all the time. I cant troubleshoot the problem as I try to parse the system logs with GNOME system log, but it also crashes all the time. Any pointers to help me troubleshoot.
[20:41] <well_laid_lawn> check the memory in the system
[20:41] <pjconnect> @well_laid_lawn ; Maybe, I have an old PC, but even then, I should be able to troubleshoot the problem ; any pointers ?
[20:42] <well_laid_lawn> no one else is having your issues so it's local to you
[20:42] <well_laid_lawn> so use memtest or something similar to check the hardware
[20:42] <well_laid_lawn> that's all I can suggest from here
[20:43] <pjconnect> Ok, what's a memtest ?
[20:43] <well_laid_lawn> memtest is an application to check the memory
[20:44] <well_laid_lawn> !msg ubottu !memtest
[20:44] <pjconnect> Just did a apt-get memtest : unable to locate memtest package
[20:45] <well_laid_lawn> !find memtest
[20:55] <pjconnect> @well_laid_lawn seriously, I have 2gb of memory. I'm more inclined to think that I have a kernel problem, maybe a hardware problem as you say, but getting crashes or getting logout randomly, indicates me that I have some software problem
[20:55] <knome> pjconnect, this isn't a common problem, so unlikely a software problem...
[20:56] <knome> pjconnect, how did you "switch" to xubuntu then?
[21:00] <pjconnect> Ok, I noticed that with additional drivers settings, there is an unknown device not working, it gives me a choice : "using microcode processor firmware for intel cpu's from intel-microcode (proprietary); myght this help me ?
[21:01] <knome> pjconnect, no, not having this does not mean the packages you listed are breaking
[21:01] <knome> pjconnect, again: how did you "switch" to xubuntu?
[21:03] <pjconnect> I switched to xubuntu desktop cause I was not satisfied with Lubuntu desktop interface, and software dist. I should probably (re)install xubuntu (the complete dist). But I want to know what is the problem before doing that.
[21:03] <knome> pjconnect, again: *how* did you do the switch?
[21:05] <pjconnect> I downloaded and installed xfce, and selected xfce in lightdm, which also crashes. I wonder, since the lubuntu distro might not be so modular, maybe that's the problem ?
[21:06] <knome> the first thing you could try is to install the xubuntu-desktop package
[21:06] <pjconnect> let me check
[21:06] <knome> i'm doubtful that helps in your situation, but it's an inexpensive test
[21:06] <knome> if that doesn't work, i'd seriously consider checking your memory with memtest (can be found in the boot menu)
[21:07] <knome> to be clear, memtest has nothing to do with the amount of memory you have vs. the amount required to run the OS
[21:07] <knome> it checks whether your memory is faulty or not
[21:08] <knome> the reason why memtest is hard is that it'll take time (up to hours), and it's better to run multiple "passes" (eg. check through the whole memory multiple times) to make sure it really is working; the memory can appear to work correctly on a single test
[21:09] <pjconnect> Ok, I'm installing the xubuntu-desktop. Also, I noticed that I often have a dbus error in the system logs
[21:10] <pjconnect> The memtest is running...
[21:12] <pjconnect> Is there way to select xubuntu-desktop by default somehow, or I just have to select xfce in lightdm interface ?
[21:12] <knome> select the xubuntu session
[21:12] <knome> that's the main xubuntu-desktop session
[21:13] <pjconnect>  Ok
[21:14] <pjconnect> Well, I think that the only way to test that out, is to see how it works out. Thankx for you help. I'll be testing with both xubuntu-desktop and memtest; Thankx again.


[00:45] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALb9ae3eb4e0e4: Start sensors tab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALb9ae3eb4e0e4
[15:45] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL7b0175112061: Fix typo] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL7b0175112061
[15:47] -lugito1:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALe9905b2b6916: Add how to change temperture sensor color] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALe9905b2b6916
 Hi, regarding the update notifier, originally I was thinking in running it with cron.hourly, the problem is that it runs as superuser and su cannot "write" in users x to show the message. Any ideas? I was thinking in cron because it is less resource intensive than the app itself walking and sleeping
 wxl: What are your thoughts on shipping the Broadcom drivers in the ISO pool and then before installation with the welcome center install the drivers assuming the user agrees to it?
 i.e. make it much easier for the new user while still giving them choice
 If you think that would be a good idea, mind if I create a task?
 @tsimonq2 [If you think that would be a good idea, mind if I create a task?], If I create a task I'll probably consult an AA about the legality
 I think that the broadcom issue is not that simple
 At least it was not in 16.04
 Where should bugs be reported now? Launchpad?
 Maybe we should create a simple instruction on how to report bugs in the webpage
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/
 That is teh wiki page we have now. ^^
 Thanks!


[00:09] <Mutter> Can anyone here help me with MAAS Landscape OpenStack deployment?
[04:20] <mup> Bug #1732442 changed: [2.3rc3, UI] In controller summary the overveview card shouls say MAAS version instead of version <2.3qa> <ui> <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1732442>
[15:33] <mup> Bug #1743400 opened: [2.3, UI] MAAS 'Containers' tab drops 'mac' address instead of hostname <MAAS:Triaged> <MAAS 2.3:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1743400>