[02:47] <defender99zu3> Hello! I have a question about remoting from a kubuntu box into a xubuntu box without a monitor, trying to get into a session using a desktop enviroment without a monitor.
[02:53] <valorie> !headless
[02:53] <valorie> pfff
[02:54] <valorie> I guess ssh would be the best idea
[02:55] <Eickmeyer> !vnc defender99zu3
[02:55] <Eickmeyer> !vnc | defender99zu3
[02:55] <defender99zu3> valorie: I have a SSF computer just laying around and I would like to use it as a torrent box and possibly a fileserver. I always thought i would be able to log into the system using VNC. But the trick is I dont want to have a monitor hooked up to it. But I still want to use a desktop enviroment. Is that even possible?
[02:56] <valorie> have you ever ssh'd into a server somewhere?
[02:56] <valorie> if you ssh into that other computer, it will be just like that
[02:57] <valorie> yes, you can do VNC instead
[02:57] <defender99zu3> So it is possible to run xfce without a monitor?
[02:57] <valorie> well, little point to that unless you will VLC
[02:57] <defender99zu3> Great, so how do I log into my computer after i start it up?
[02:58] <valorie> install an SSH client
[02:58] <valorie> !ssh
[02:58] <valorie> !vnc
[02:58] <valorie> seems like those are your choices
[02:59] <defender99zu3> I've used both VNC and SSH before. But I'm missing a bit of information on how to get either to run before I log in. Is it possible to log in through a terminal SSH interface and fire up xfce?
[03:00] <valorie> that I don't know
[03:00] <valorie> I've never tried to do what you're trying
[03:01] <defender99zu3> That's also what I do not know. I know I can use VNC/Teamviewer to run a remote desktop AFTER i have logged in. I know I can set up SSh to give me text interface to actually log in. But I need to log in to XFCE remotely without a monitor.
[03:02] <Eickmeyer> It's possible. I used to have a box that had an LXDE session running headlesss, but I completely forgot how to do it. That was over 6 years ago.
[03:03] <Eickmeyer> defender99zu3: You might just have to resort to google on this one.
[03:03] <defender99zu3> Eickmeyer: Any resources you can point me to, I've exhausted my google keywords. I didn't realize it was unique to want to log into a desktop enviroment without a monitor.
[03:05] <Eickmeyer> defender99zu3: Like I said, it was 6 years ago, and I have completely forgotten. It's possible someone in #ubuntu might know, but no guarantees.
[03:06] <Eickmeyer> The key was VNC as I recall.
[03:06] <Eickmeyer> Basically, VNC can run an Xorg environment headless.
[03:06] <defender99zu3> Eickmeyer: thanks.
[03:07] <valorie> #ubuntu is a much larger channel, yes
[03:09] <defender99zu3> Well I tried Xubuntu first as that's what I'm trying to log into. But I'm using Kubuntu to log into it ... so this was my second try.
[03:09] <Eickmeyer> defender99zu3: They're all Ubuntu.
[03:09] <defender99zu3> valorie: thanks.
[03:10] <defender99zu3> Eickmeyer: yes, I know but usually people like me to stick to my own derivative.
[03:10] <Eickmeyer> defender99zu3: Xubuntu and Kubuntu aren't derivitives, they're official flavors.
[03:10] <Eickmeyer> !flavors
[03:10] <Eickmeyer> defender99zu3: Linux Mint is a derivitive.
 mint has their own channels on their own network with their own support.
[03:39] <krytarik> Eickmeyer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DerivativeTeam/Derivatives - I think the official flavors can be likewise called 'derivatives' though.
[03:39] <Eickmeyer> krytarik: It's all in the vernacular.
[03:39] <krytarik> ..In a what? :P
[03:39] <Eickmeyer> That page is also pretty outdated.
[03:40] <krytarik> Yeah, that has been noticed recently already.
[03:41] <defender99zu3> I honestly didn't know the difference. Clearly there is one though.
 @katnipp, Precisely.
[03:41] <Eickmeyer> defender99zu3: Derivitives, like Linux Mint, use thier own repositories. Official flavors use only the Ubuntu repositories, nothing more.
[03:42] <valorie> there is a big difference between those projects IN ubuntu, and those outside
[03:42] <valorie> and it's a choice that projects make
[03:43] <Eickmeyer> So, krytarik, that's the vernacular I was mentioning. Flavor = IN ubuntu, Derivitive = outside.
[03:43] <valorie> that is not to say that we're against Mint, for instance
[03:43] <valorie> Mint is great
[03:43] <valorie> but they are not part of Ubuntu
[03:43] <Eickmeyer> valorie: I agree! I used to use it.
[06:25] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:46] <IrcsomeBot2> <Chandra Sekhar> May I know which best video editor for kubuntu ?
[06:47] <Jussi> !best
[06:49] <Jussi> There is usually no "best" - depends what you are doing. However, Kdenlive is widely considered a decent editor
[09:35] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:33] <Sheratan> hola que cliente de DC++ me recomendáis para kubuntu?
[10:33] <Sheratan> y algún hub interesante?
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[16:17] <tmroland> so i have a bunch of completely unrelated and useless apps instaled by the xubuntu-desktop task with aptitude
[16:17] <tmroland> no matter what i did, aptitude purge xfce-desktop and use muon to delete lefotvers and use apt autoremove
[16:17] <tmroland> those annoying gtk apps are still ther eand they ruin the plasma desktop experience
[16:17] <tmroland> how do i get rid of this infestation
[16:18] <tmroland> for example it installed gnome software center and libreoffice (a few parts) and uxterm
[16:18] <tmroland> why doesnt apt have a way to delete absolutely everything without letting the user do cleanup each and every time to get back his system to the previous state?
[16:22] <tmroland> how do i delete EVERYTHING to the last bit that "aptitude purge xfce-desktop" installed ?
[16:22] <tmroland> im leftover with ugly surprises all over
[16:22] <tmroland> aptitude install sorry
[16:27] <BluesKaj> usually uninstalling the desktop results in a semi-clean result, a few annoying networking leftovers perhaps
[16:33] <tmroland> libreoffice,uxterm,gnome software, gtk apps
[16:33] <tmroland> things that are completley not needed but installed and then left there
[16:33] <tmroland> any way of removing those Recommends packages or just need to go remove each ?
[16:45] <BluesKaj> tmroland, seems you're getting answers in #ubuntu, be satisfied with that since you're crossposting
[17:41] <carbonzero> hey folks. I'm trying to use a small HD tv with an HDMI input for a second monitor with my laptop. I want to have the laptop screen as the primary and the tv/monitor to be the second monitor. It worked yesterday but now it's displaying what's on my laptop screen. I just want it to be second desktop.
[17:41] <carbonzero> oh, wait, maybe I just answered myself. I wonder if I need a second desktop setup. hold on.
[17:46] <Guest44752> hi
[17:46] <Guest44752> i have a heavy problem with kubuntu 18.10
[17:47] <Guest44752> kubuntu is eating my disk space and need a reboot every day
[17:48] <Guest44752> ~100gb logs
[17:48] <Guest44752> plasma is crashing every night after going to bed
[17:48] <Guest44752> after reboot the disk space clean up
[17:49] <Guest44752> i'm a beginner with linux and i really prefer kde compared to gnome - but i never used a such an unstable os
[18:06] <BluesKaj> Guest44752, turn off unneeded daemons and file search in system-settings>workspace>startup&shutdown>background services and workspace search
[18:08] <eeos> hi everybody
[18:09] <Guest44752> ok thanks i will try
[18:11] <eeos> Hi everybody! kubuntu 18.04.2 64 bit.
[18:12] <eeos> If I set the system proxy, firefox does not detect it. Google Chrome does.
[18:12] <eeos> Also, skype does not work.
[18:12] <eeos> Done a lot of googling, tried all solutions I found, none worked. Any solution?
[18:13] <Guest44752> firefox have a proxy option - use system proxy settings
[18:14] <Guest44752> about:preferences#general scroll to the end
[18:14] <eeos> Mmmm .... I really need o have the proxy settimsg for every application, like on a normal system. I cannot go and set every application.
[18:14] <eeos> (git, svn, konversation, skype, ....)
[18:14] <Guest44752> u use a socks?
[18:15] <Guest44752> vpn should tunnel all of your traffic
[18:15] <eeos> Guest44752: what is a sock?
[18:15] <Guest44752> socks4/5*
[18:17] <eeos> Guest44752: what appliction should I use to manage that?
[18:17] <Guest44752> which protocol are you using to tunnel your traffic?
[18:18] <eeos> VPN
[18:18] <Guest44752> mhm
[18:18] <eeos> but should it not be easy to set a system proxy also for firefox and all applications?!
[18:18] <Guest44752> yes
[18:19] <Guest44752> normally all your traffic should go through it
[18:19] <eeos> So why does it not work? I have seen so many messages on google .... I am not the only one with the problem!
[18:20] <Guest44752> hmm
[18:23] <Guest44752> check your ff settings and look if it works with ff if you change to "use system proxy settings"
[18:24] <eeos> Guest44752: already done, and it does not
[18:24] <Guest44752> and you are really sure chrome does?
[18:25] <eeos> Guest44752: oh yes! I had to define chrome as default browser because everything works through Chrome.
[18:26] <Guest44752> ok that sounds like your network/vpn manager filters the applications who connect through vpn
[18:26] <Guest44752> you use openvpn?
[18:27] <Guest44752> i'm also a beginner with linux but i had no issues like that after installing open vpn, configure it and connect
[18:28] <Guest44752> even kodi run through it and netflix stop
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[22:15] <tmroland> hi, how do i remove software & updates app?
[22:15] <tmroland> the gtk one
[22:15] <tmroland> it got installed by some other package
[22:20] <genii> tmroland: sudo apt-get purge update-manager && sudo apt-get install --reinstall update-manager-kde
[22:20] <genii> ..to make sure the first one doesn't wipe dependencies out the kde specific one also needs
[22:22] <Eickmeyer> genii: I'm pretty sure tmroland means software-properties. There is no update-manager-kde.
[22:22] <genii> !info update-manager-kde
[22:23] <genii> Hm, not in bionic. But my xenial definitely has it
[22:23] <genii> !info update-manager-kde xenial
[22:24] <tmroland> ty
[22:27] <tmroland> why is there this glitch in kubuntu that i have 2 pulseaudio volume control in multimedia?
[22:27] <tmroland> same stuff
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/QnBsy7ca/file_14428.jpg
 Can anybody tell me if this error's been fixed?
 Maybe I'll try a new beta install again to see.
[23:51] <valorie> @carbonzero what command did you actually run, and from where?
[23:52] <valorie> the error message looks like a mixup somewhere


[09:14] <kosh> angasule: well Ijust know that it shows english, chinese, korean, japanese and other languages just fine
[09:14] <trispace> angasule: so you're experiencing font rendering problems?
[09:15] <angasule> trispace: I don't see IPA, they show up as squares (missing letters)
[09:15] <Phazeman> kosh: thanks much for your help. looks like my X problem is solved
[09:16] <kosh> I don't know anything about IPA
[09:16] <angasule> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPA#Consonants_.28pulmonic.29  <-- can you see this correctly?
[09:16] <Phazeman> kosh: another question, which conf file sets the modules that will be loaded at startup ?
[09:16] <MrJangles> hey, any software to extract .rar ?
[09:16] <angasule> IPA is a script, might as well be cyrillic or anything else (although the diacritics may be a problem)
[09:17] <trispace> angasule: i see squares here, using Microsoft Verdana/Tahoma
[09:17] <kosh> Phazeman: it does not work that way
[09:17] <angasule> MrJangles: unrar
[09:17] <Phazeman> kosh: it used to be /etc/modules.conf once in mandriva
[09:17] <MrJangles> angasule: thanks
[09:17] <kosh> Phazeman: those are for modules not for general startup
[09:18] <Phazeman> kosh: thats why i've asked. i just want to verify that my nvidia module is registeredo to load at startup
[09:18] <Phazeman> kosh: thats all i need.. modules..
[09:18] <angasule> MrJangles: np, have you added the repositories, etc?
[09:18] <kosh> Phazeman: if it can be found it will be used on its own
[09:18] <angasule> !nvidia
[09:18] <ubotu> rumour has it, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[09:18] <kosh> Phazeman: no need for doing stuff manually
[09:18] <Phazeman> kosh: ohh.... great !
[09:18] <trispace> angasule: hmm, firefox renders the page correctly
[09:19] <Phazeman> kosh: thanks again !
[09:19] <angasule> trispace: yeap, it does, it's a gtk app
[09:19] <Phazeman> you gave me hope and the tools t achieve it :)))
[09:19] <trispace> angasule: ok, i see - so the problem lies in qt?
[09:19] <angasule> trispace: I think the problem is in how fonts are installed in kubuntu, more likely? maybe they're installed for gtk apps only?
[09:19] <angasule> is there no font-guy?
[09:20] <kosh> I guess it could be a qt issues I just have no idea
[09:20] <jpatrick> angasule: font's were discussed at the last meeting
[09:20] <angasule> yeah, qt has some ugly language issues, from what I've been told
[09:20] <angasule> jpatrick: can I see a log or something?
[09:21] <jpatrick> one sec
[09:21] <angasule> from what I've been told, qt has a *serious* problem with mixing right-to-left and left-to-right langs
[09:21] <jpatrick> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings/16-02-06
[09:21] <kosh> I have to admit it is has not been a problem for me
[09:21] <kosh> I only read english ::)
[09:22] <angasule> thanks
[09:22] <angasule> I study languages that don't exist :P
[09:22] <jpatrick> link to log is at the button
[09:22] <jpatrick> buttom*
[09:24] <angasule> hmm, I'm opening the log, but it seems mostly cosmetic issues were defined?
[09:25] <jpatrick> apokryphos: hey
[09:25] <apokryphos> jpatrick: hello and congratulations =)
[09:27] <jpatrick> apokryphos: thank you =)
[09:27] <jpatrick> angasule: Kubuntu meeting started at 08:58
[09:28] <angasule> jpatrick: umh, what do you mean with that? it's currently happening somewhere?
[09:28] <jpatrick> no, the log file
[09:28] <apokryphos> jpatrick: really great to see more kubu MOTUs -- one step closer to world domination ;-)
[09:29] <Snake__> Is there a meeting going on??
[09:29] <jpatrick> Snake__: next week
[09:29] <jpatrick> apokryphos: ;)
[09:29] <angasule> jpatrick: I read the log (well, I searched for font and read the lines around each occurence), there are only cosmetic issues
[09:30] <jpatrick> start from 08:58 and go down...
[09:30] <jpatrick> apokryphos: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings/16-02-06 ;)
[09:30] <angasule> jpatrick: I already saw that, but only font colour and size are addressed
[09:31] <Snake__> jpatrick: at the meeting, they didnt go over everything did they?
[09:31] <apokryphos> jpatrick: yup, was at the meeting 8), but couldn't be there for all of it
[09:31] <apokryphos> (read the log later)
[09:31] <jpatrick> Snake__: no, some people weren't there
[09:32] <Snake__> jpatrick: I didnt think so, that seemed like it went way to fast
[09:33] <Snake__> It was offly laid back, it was nice
[09:33] <jpatrick> yep
[09:33] <jpatrick> apart from some trouble maker
[09:33] <jpatrick> s/maker/makers
[09:34] <Snake__> jpatrick: yea....sorush or whatever that guy was
[09:34] <Snake__> I wanted to shootem
[09:34] <jpatrick> I wanted to kick me
[09:34] <jpatrick> him*
[09:34] <Snake__> heh
[09:34] <Snake__> Why didnt they boot him?
[09:34] <jpatrick> no op around
[09:35] <Snake__> oh..
[09:35] <angasule> jpatrick: thanks for that log, at least I know some of the names I should hunt for help
[09:36] <jpatrick> heh :)
[09:36] <angasule> Riddell: I'm gonna get you as soon as I get back! :P
[09:36] <apokryphos> for extra chans like -meeting they should really have things like *@ubuntu/member* in the access list
[09:37] <jpatrick> angasule: err.. he's head dev
[09:37] <angasule> I'm a chauffer :(
[09:37] <jpatrick> apokryphos: that's a good idea
[09:38] <angasule> at least my sister thinks so
[09:39] <angasule> I'll be back!
[09:39] <jpatrick> anyone got any package requests?
[09:40] <jshadow> whats the story on wlassistant for the repos?
[09:40] <apokryphos> jpatrick: checked the wiki request page?
[09:40] <jpatrick> does apps are boring :P
[09:40] <Snake__> jpatrick: everytime I request something, its already there:0
[09:40] <apokryphos> I'd get to some there too if I had any time :(
[09:41] <apokryphos> jpatrick: kautoclick might be fun to do
[09:42] <jpatrick> only NEW packages btw
[09:42] <apokryphos> yup
[09:42] <jshadow> jpatrick: is anyone working on wlassistant? or is that a no go?
[09:42] <jpatrick> sealne: don't underages go to school...
[09:43] <seaLne> forgot a /say
[09:43] <jpatrick> jshadow: I think that apps source is borked
[09:43] <seaLne> related to a conversation in another channel
[09:43] <jshadow> ohic
[09:44] <jshadow> works much better for me scanning anyhow, but I have some dhcp issues with some of the other apps too
[09:44] <jpatrick> apokryphos: what does this app do?
[09:45] <apokryphos> jpatrick: oh.. deKorator definitely. It's insanely popular on kde-apps/look
[09:45] <apokryphos> jpatrick: it's an autoclicker for kde. Small lil' app.
[09:45] <jpatrick> apokryphos: deKorator is in revu
[09:45] <apokryphos> oh ok; good stuff
[09:45] <apokryphos> mind you, I think it would be tres good if Kubu in general had a wide range of styles/themes/icons in the repos, too.
[09:46] <_david> hey, do you know if it is save/smart to run the klik installer from klik.atekon.de as root? (it's asking for that)
[09:46] <_david> or is there a better way to install klik on kubuntu?
[09:46] <jpatrick> _david: I won't
[09:46] <apokryphos> jpatrick: somewhat unrelated, but what really needs to be done is a libtunepimp in Universe.
[09:46] <jpatrick> _david: it's being packaged
[09:47] <SmrtJustin> How do I switch from a 24hr clock to a 12hr one in kde?
[09:47] <apokryphos> jpatrick: taskbar v2 is very popular too =)
[09:47] <_david> jpatrick: you mean for dapper, or for breezy?
[09:47] <jpatrick> i think that's already in
[09:47] <treyh0> is kubuntu going to ever use the suspend2 patch for the linux kernel?
[09:48] <_david> jpatrick: mm, it can't find it, should I look in the backports repo?
[09:48] <jpatrick> _david: was uploaded to dapper a few days ago
[09:48] <ubijtsa2> treyh0: suspend2 is quite invasive
[09:48] <apokryphos> jpatrick: unless it's called something totally different, it doesn't seem to be.
[09:49] <apokryphos> might be worth checking REVU though
[09:49] <jpatrick> unfortunatly NEW appears to stuck...
[09:49] <_david> owh, you mean it's already in dapper, ok thanks, than I will wait (running breezy)
[09:49] <MetaMorfoziS> hey what about packages list?
[09:49] <apokryphos> MetaMorfoziS: what?
[09:49] <treyh0> ubijtsa2: why?
[09:49] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm updated, and it said 687 upgradable, all packages: ~20.000
[09:50] <ubijtsa2> treyh0: it hooks in to a lot of things, that change frequently
[09:50] <treyh0> ubijtsa2: oh
[09:50] <treyh0> ubijtsa2: bummer, regular suspend to disk doesnt work for me :/
[09:50] <MetaMorfoziS> but in the morning
[09:50] <treyh0> swsusp
[09:50] <MetaMorfoziS> it isn't any upgradable thing and all apckages num is about: ~17k
[09:51] <ubijtsa2> treyh0: then there is iirc the issue about Linus not being keen on suspend2disk (if I understood the LKML postings right)
[09:52] <apokryphos> ricebowl icons finally released? Well well.
[09:54] <MetaMorfoziS> hey
[09:54] <MetaMorfoziS> go all and apt-get update
[09:54] <MetaMorfoziS> who has hundreds of upgradable package?:)
[09:55] <ubijtsa2> MetaMorfoziS: dapper ?
[09:56] <MetaMorfoziS> no
[09:56] <MetaMorfoziS> breezy
[09:57] <MetaMorfoziS> but in the morning i have no upgradable, and it said all packets 17k
[09:57] <MetaMorfoziS> at this time ~20k all packets and 0.6k upgradable:D
[10:00] <jpatrick> apokryphos: not sure if this untarred correctly....
[10:00] <apokryphos> jpatrick: hm?
[10:01] <jpatrick> apokryphos: Ark gave an error but never mind
[10:05] <Hostile> hey guys, I'm having trouble removing xorg-driver-fglrx
[10:05] <Hostile> apt-get is giving me a long error
[10:05] <inf3rno> hi all =) -- am fairly new to ubuntu, and have a quick question. (using kubuntu) -- i'm trying to get avi/wmv/other videos to play, and i've followed the faq's from the wiki regarding installing the various codecs. however, when i try to load any video file in Totem, i receive a message that says it cannot open the file for writing. i've seen an another faq that this means i am missing Esound, but apt-get says i have the lates
[10:06] <__mikem> hostile, pastebin the message and send me the link
[10:06] <Hostile> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/561652
[10:06] <Hostile> __mikem: ^_^
[10:08] <inf3rno> hi all =) -- am fairly new to ubuntu, and have a quick question. (using kubuntu) -- i'm trying to get avi/wmv/other videos to play, and i've followed the faq's from the wiki regarding installing the various codecs. however, when i try to load any video file in Totem, i receive a message that says it cannot open the file for writing. i've seen an another faq that this means i am missing Esound, but apt-get says i have the lates
[10:08] <inf3rno> err
[10:08] <inf3rno> oops. ;)
[10:08] <__mikem> do me a favor and start up synpatic package manager
[10:08] <__mikem> hostile
[10:08] <Hostile> __mikem: fire up synaptic?
[10:08] <__mikem> yes
[10:09] <robotgeek> Hostile: adept, it looks like __mikem is from the ubuntu world :)
[10:09] <Hostile> I dont have synaptic installed really
[10:09] <Hostile> ill fire up adept
[10:09] <__mikem> wait, are you in kubuntu
[10:09] <Hostile> Yes this is kinda the #kubuntu channel
[10:09] <__mikem> kde rather
[10:09] <Hostile> lol.
[10:09] <__mikem> o, then start up what ever package manager kde uses
[10:10] <__mikem> adept I think
[10:10] <Hostile> Yep
[10:10] <Hostile> fired it up.
[10:10] <__mikem> ok, I want you to do a global serch for the package you are trying to remove
[10:10] <Hostile> Ok i did
[10:11] <__mikem> did it come up
[10:11] <__mikem> in the results
[10:11] <Hostile> yep
[10:11] <__mikem> ok, good when you look at it, there should be some indication that it is installed already
[10:11] <Hostile> yep, status: installed
[10:12] <__mikem> good, I want you to go ahead and use adept to remove it. We will see if this works
[10:12] <Hostile> ok
[10:12] <Phazeman> trappist: here ?
[10:13] <Hostile> __mikem: same error I showed you on pastebin
[10:13] <Phazeman> i'm trying to fight my nvidia driver without any success. can someone please help ?
[10:13] <boha> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/i8443
[10:13] <boha> i get this on my screen when i boot live cd
[10:13] <boha> sameone help me
[10:13] <boha> plz
[10:13] <__mikem> Ouch, looks like you are going to have to remove it manually
[10:13] <Hostile> __mikem: can we do that?
[10:13] <__mikem> Yes
[10:14] <Hostile> __mikem: ok I've never removed a package manually before
[10:14] <Hostile> So I'm new to this
[10:14] <__mikem> Adept should list somewhere all the files included in the archive
[10:14] <apokryphos> __mikem: the Breezy one didn't, but the one for Dapper will.
[10:15] <apokryphos> in the meantime you can dpkg -L packagename
[10:15] <Hostile> ok adept just froze when I tryed to look at it
[10:15] <inf3rno> anyone know why i might be getting no/distorted sound when playing a .wmv file in totem vs perfect sound when playing an .avi? does it have entirely to do with how the file is encoded or is there  anything i can check on setting-wise?
[10:15] <Hostile> Im on Dapper.
[10:15] <apokryphos> why remove a package manually though?
[10:15] <__mikem> opokryphos he tried that
[10:15] <__mikem> hes getting an error
[10:15] <apokryphos> what error?
[10:15] <__mikem> hostile, back in the terminal did you use the -L commandline switch
[10:15] <Hostile> sure hold on
[10:15] <Cainus> anyone know how to get apt-get to find azureus?
[10:15] <__mikem> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/561652
[10:15] <apokryphos> inf3rno: have you installed the w32codecs?
[10:16] <inf3rno> apokryphos: aye
[10:16] <__mikem> apokryphos look at that pastebin
[10:16] <Hostile> root@ubuntu:/home/lanteau# dpkg -L xorg-driver-fglrx
[10:16] <Hostile> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/10fglrx
[10:16] <apokryphos> Cainus: I'd say just install from their site -- they've got a plain executable there.
[10:16] <__mikem> thats what you used
[10:16] <SmrtJustin> This may sound stupid, but I'd like to set my system so it mounts everything in /mnt instead of /media, I know I have to change /etc/fstab, but how I change the auto usb stuff and everything else?
[10:16] <__mikem> ?
[10:16] <_alex> moin
[10:16] <Cainus> apokryphos: ah okay thanks
[10:16] <Hostile> __mikem: what?
[10:16] <inf3rno> Smrtjustin: what for... what are you trying to do?
[10:16] <apokryphos> try a sudo dpkg -f install
[10:17] <apokryphos> and/or sudo dpkg --configure -a
[10:17] <__mikem> was dpkg -L xorg-driver-fglrx what you used
[10:17] <Hostile> __mikem: yes
[10:17] <SmrtJustin> inf3rno, I'm just used to it being like that, and I like to mount my shared music on my server to /media
[10:17] <__mikem> ok, that confirms my suspicions
[10:17] <boha> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/i8443
[10:17] <boha> i get this on my screen when i boot live cd
[10:17] <__mikem> so apokryphos says that on dapper you can view a list of all installed files for that package
[10:17] <boha> someone help me
[10:17] <inf3rno> apokryphos: i do have the w32 codecs installed from following the FAQ - there anything else i could tweak?
[10:18] <Hostile> __mikem: so it removed everything except that one file?
[10:18] <SmrtJustin> inf3rno: and for the time being I'm dualbooting between kubuntu and gentoo, and thats how my gentoo that I've been using for quite awhile is set up.
[10:18] <__mikem> What!
[10:18] <Hostile> I'm confused.
[10:18] <__mikem> Wait, removed everything accept what file
[10:18] <MetaMorfoziS> shit
[10:18] <apokryphos> inf3rno: not that I'd know of.  It's a recipe for disaster.
[10:18] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm added the unstable debian repository
[10:18] <MetaMorfoziS> is it problem?
[10:19] <apokryphos> yes
[10:19] <__mikem> Not the entire folders
[10:19] <apokryphos> MetaMorfoziS: ubuntu is not debian.
[10:19] <__mikem> just the package specific files
[10:19] <MetaMorfoziS> ftp.debian.org
[10:19] <__mikem> apokryphos ubuntu I believe is in its own right
[10:19] <MetaMorfoziS> unstable / main
[10:19] <Hostile> __mikem: so whats our next step?
[10:19] <apokryphos> MetaMorfoziS: you can have many problems.
[10:19] <rikoto> hello...
[10:19] <__mikem> IF that files the only file left, just remove it manually or don't worry about it
[10:19] <MetaMorfoziS> ok
[10:20] <MetaMorfoziS> i can't stop it?
[10:20] <MetaMorfoziS> it's adept
[10:20] <MetaMorfoziS> 61%
[10:20] <MetaMorfoziS> i think it's only downlaod at this step
[10:20] <MetaMorfoziS> the next is the isntall
[10:20] <MetaMorfoziS> how can i stop it?
[10:20] <Hostile> __mikem: how do I tell dpkg its not installed anymore?
[10:21] <rikoto> i have a question about kbfx, if you don't mind
[10:21] <MetaMorfoziS> hmm simple closed it..
[10:21] <Hostile> __mikem: actually When I delete that file, it's still there?
[10:21] <rikoto> ...nvm
[10:21] <__mikem> what do you mean tell dpkg its not installed nymore?
[10:22] <at1as> Hi all.
[10:22] <Hostile> __mikem: that the xorg-driver-fglrx package isnt installed anymore
[10:22] <__mikem> Good
[10:22] <at1as> Does anyone know anything about the Webmin packages in the Ubuntu repos?
[10:22] <__mikem> Hostile, I am not sure I understand, what exactly is wrong
[10:23] <Hostile> __mikem: well say we manually deleted all those files, but the database still tells apt-get or dpkg that the package is still installed
[10:24] <__mikem> adept should keep a database of all packages and their statuses, all you have to do is get a tool to edit the database
[10:24] <rikoto> (can anyone tell me where i can find the kbfx deb package?)
[10:25] <Hostile> __mikem: now do you have any experience setting up the fglrx drivers?
[10:25] <__mikem> No, fraid not, I was going to recomend you find someone to walk you through this when you went and tried it
[10:26] <Hostile> __mikem: I followed a tutorial on the ubuntu forms, but dont work
[10:26] <__mikem> Yes, I am sorry to say I told you everything I know how to do
[10:26] <MetaMorfoziS> what is xfce?
[10:26] <__mikem> a reasonably nice GUI for linux
[10:26] <__mikem> !xfce
[10:26] <ubotu> well, xfce is a lightweight Desktop Environment that uses GTK. to install, "sudo apt-get install xfce4" or "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". http://www.xfce.org/
[10:27] <Hostile> alright thanks
[10:27] <MetaMorfoziS> so not kde
[10:27] <__mikem> sorry
[10:27] <MetaMorfoziS> not gnome
[10:27] <__mikem> nope, its primarily for people who prefere performance and DO NOT care about appearence
[10:28] <__mikem> A question of my own, what is 9wm
[10:28] <inf3rno> should/would the Debian version of VLC media player (http://www.videolan.org/vlc/) work with ubuntu/kubuntu?
[10:29] <SmrtJustin> I'm trying to get alsa working, I don't have artsd running, and I've started /etc/init.d/alsa-utils, but I can't get any audio
[10:30] <MetaMorfoziS> xfce very similar for gnome
[10:30] <MetaMorfoziS> http://www.xfce.org/images/screenshots/Adriano_Winter_Bess_xfce-4.2-rc3.jpg
[10:31] <MetaMorfoziS> what it's meaning?
[10:31] <apokryphos> SmrtJustin: no audio at all, or is it *very* low/faint (i.e. try turning speakers to max)
[10:31] <__mikem> MetamorfoziS it may look like its similar at first glanse, but its not
[10:31] <trispace> MetaMorfoziS: it is basically a window manager and some utilities like a task/program-launcher bar
[10:32] <SmrtJustin> apokryphos: I hear nothing
[10:32] <MetaMorfoziS> the kde have panel bar and other
[10:32] <MetaMorfoziS> and i think the gnome is the same..
[10:32] <MetaMorfoziS> i'm dont understand it's meaning..
[10:32] <apokryphos> SmrtJustin: nothing is muted in alsamixer?
[10:33] <trispace> MetaMorfoziS: yeah, but xfce is a lighter aproach. It doesn't have all the features kde or gnome are offering
[10:33] <__mikem> brb
[10:33] <MetaMorfoziS> yes, i understand... okay:)
[10:33] <SmrtJustin> apokryphos: nope, I just unmuted everything, including the Line stuff
[10:34] <trispace> MetaMorfoziS: as i said: it's a windowmanager, a taskbar, and a few utilities for font and theme configuration
[10:34] <MetaMorfoziS> yeyes
[10:34] <MetaMorfoziS> i said okay, i'm udnerstand...
[10:35] <Phazeman> looks like kuickshow doesn't want to see my jpg files at all !!! this is the strangest thing i've ever seen in kubuntu ever ! coild someone please give me a clue about how to fix it ?
[10:35] <trispace> MetaMorfoziS: well
[10:35] <MetaMorfoziS> my english is bad sorry, i'm can't phrase me
[10:35] <MetaMorfoziS> well
[10:36] <SmrtJustin> apokryphos: when I run mplayer I get these lines: alsa-init: 1 soundcard found, using: default
[10:36] <SmrtJustin> alsa: 44100 Hz/2 channels/4 bpf/60208 bytes buffer/Signed 16 bit Little Endian
[10:36] <SmrtJustin> AO: [alsa]  44100Hz 2ch s16le (2 bytes per sample)
[10:37] <__mikem> I have gnome, kde, and xfce installed on the same box, and I felt like switching from gnome to kde
[10:37] <MetaMorfoziS> :DD
[10:41] <FiNeX> hi
[10:41] <inf3rno> hrmmm... anyone know why i'd be getting perfect .wmv video in totem but very wretched audio... but perfect audio in VLC player w/ no video? any thoughts?
[10:41] <Phazeman> does any one else having problems with the kuickshow ?
[10:45] <__mikem> quiet in here
[10:46] <inf3rno> for anyone's reference, i fixed my wmv sound issue in totem by doing this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25668&highlight=wmv+bad+sound
[10:48] <mila> zuzttztz
[10:48] <Nomad411> yttgrretsssy?
[10:49] <mila> jfgggdfd
[10:49] <Nomad411> ok
[10:50] <angasule> Nomad411: do you know the nomad expert vision thingy?
[10:50] <__mikem> !wine
[10:51] <Nomad411> angasule: I wish
[10:51] <_tijn> hey all
[10:51] <angasule> http://www.microvision.com/nomadexpert/app.html <-- makes me drool
[10:51] <Nomad411> good thing is , using it, if you drool it won't mess it up
[10:51] <inf3rno> later folks!
[10:51] <Nomad411> as long as you're vertical
[10:52] <_tijn> dont drool on ur keyboard :D
[10:55] <_tijn> btw, what is a secure wireless solution?
[10:55] <NRG88> hi, i have a tv tuner card, how can i watch tv on linux?
[10:55] <_tijn> well..
[10:55] <_tijn> is it working?
[10:55] <_tijn> :)
[10:55] <NRG88> the card?
[10:56] <_tijn> well are the correct modules loaded?
[10:56] <NRG88> don't know how and wich modules to load
[10:56] <_tijn> mmh if you do a lspi
[10:56] <NRG88> i have a bt848 or what
[10:56] <_tijn> ah ok
[10:57] <_tijn> thats the linux tvcard module (if iam correct
[10:57] <_tijn> )
[10:57] <Hostile> I followed this tutorial to set up my fglrx drivers: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=408111
[10:57] <Hostile> yet when X starts it says No screens found, fglrx module not found
[10:57] <Hostile> but modprobe fglrx shows its there
[10:57] <__mikem> every time I try to download the upgrade to wine, the connection keeps failing mid download
[10:57] <NRG88> sorry, bt878 (this is my card type)
[10:58] <_tijn> NRG88: if i recall correct, its OK :D try to install an app like tvtime
[10:58] <_tijn> sudo apt-get install tvtime
[10:58] <NRG88> ok, thanks
[10:58] <_tijn> np
[10:59] <_tijn> crappy info sry ;)
[11:01] <NRG88> strange, i get no signal
[11:02] <mila> ool
[11:02] <NRG88> had to disable signal detection :)
[11:04] <lunitik> Riddell: hey man, don't suppose you could hook up a kubuntu-desktop alternative that depends koffice instead of openoffice.org things? say 'kubuntu-desktop-koffice' or simular as the name, it would be very appreciated!
[11:06] <dani> Hi All! Why isn't there mp3 in kde audiocd ioslave? (kubuntu)
[11:06] <lunitik> Riddell: I just tryed removing kubuntu-desktop, I use debfoster to keep things clean on my system though, and well... it takes forever to get a decent list of keepers after removing the metapackage...
[11:06] <Blissex> dani: read the restricted binary formats page on the Wiki about MP3
[11:08] <dani> You mean it's intentional?
[11:08] <lunitik> dani: for legal reasons... yes
[11:08] <lunitik> dani: its easy to sort out though...
[11:08] <lunitik> dani: read the wiki on the subject as you were instructed
[11:09] <Blissex> ubotu
[11:09] <lunitik> ubotu: restrictedformats
[11:09] <ubotu> restrictedformats is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[11:09] <lunitik> dani: click that link
[11:10] <dani> thanks, i was already there
[11:10] <Blissex> also, consider replacing MP3 with OGG Vorbis, the encoder has slightly better quality than most MP3 encoders.
[11:10] <murray> hey : whats the best gui client for interacting with a mysql db
[11:11] <lunitik> murray: with KDE frontend... Kexi
[11:11] <murray> ideally, I would like SQLyog, but it appears to be windows only
[11:11] <murray> lunitik: ta
[11:11] <lunitik> murray: could try to get that running via Wine?
[11:11] <dani> i red, i think there is no way to reenable mp3 support in audiocd ioslave :-\
[11:12] <murray> lunitik: wine is an option, but was wondering if there was anything native?
[11:12] <lunitik> murray: Kexi is the best I know of...
[11:13] <murray> lunitik: thanks :) one up on where I was 10 seconds ago then :)
[11:13] <lunitik> dani: should just be a case of installing libmad0 as it says  :/
[11:13] <lunitik> murray: :)
[11:13] <lunitik> murray: aptitude install kexi and see if it does what you need  :)
[11:13] <murray> lunitik: as we speak ...
[11:14] <lunitik> can't hurt to play  :)
[11:14] <murray> btw, and I know I'm going to look like a real nube ...
[11:14] <murray> is there a way to tell bitchx to prefix all msgs with "username: "
[11:14] <murray> or do I need to type it every time?
[11:14] <dani> lunitik, I installed libmad0 but no luck
[11:15] <dani> cdaudio:/ has no mp3
[11:15] <lunitik> murray: I don't know about bitchx, its pretty crap imo... but 'mur[tab] ' for instance should result in 'murray: '
[11:15] <lunitik> thats pretty standard really in the IRC world...
[11:15] <murray> lovely
[11:16] <murray> what is a better command line irc client these days?
[11:16] <murray> lunitik: even ...
[11:16] <lunitik> murray: irssi... its installed by default too  ;)
[11:17] <murray> lunitik: back in a sec then (hopefully) ...
[11:17] <lunitik> murray: irssi is very configurable  :)
[11:17] <murray> less colour, but seems faster ....
[11:18] <murray> configurable is great : an idiots howto/start guide would be fantastic ;)
[11:18] <murray> or, rtfm ...
[11:18] <lunitik> murray: you can actually change themes etc...
[11:19] <mila> hallo an alle die einen rasierten schwa*** haben...
[11:19] <lunitik> murray: www.irssi.org  ;)
[11:19] <lunitik> knock yourself out  :)
[11:19] <lunitik> !german
[11:19] <ubotu> Do they come in packets of five. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/, lunitik
[11:19] <Nomad411> !de
[11:19] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[11:19] <Nomad411> :)
[11:19] <lunitik> I was close... thankyou  :)
[11:20] <Nomad411> packets of five.. lol
[11:20] <murray> danke
[11:20] <lunitik> Riddell: ping
[11:24] <mila> what the fuck you had a problem with germans????
[11:25] <lunitik> mila: umm, no... just kinda pointless blurting out a bunch of german in an English channel...
[11:41] <ryanakca> is there a repository for GIMP 2.2.10 without upgrading to dapper? or would it be a good idea to upgrade to dapper all-in-all?
[11:45] <llama32> i'm having trouble getting KDevelop's documentation working - i installed kdebase API doc and c-cpp-reference (which is made for KDevelop) but neither apear in the documentation panel
[11:46] <SmrtJustin> How hard would it be to change my mount points from /media to /mnt?
[11:48] <dyrne> SmrtJustin: just need to edit /etc/fstab to point to new dir and then make them
[11:48] <SmrtJustin> dyrne: tried that, but what about the automount stuff like USB drives and stuff?
[11:49] <llama32> SmrtJustin: why not just make /mnt a link to /media? it is simple to change fstab and move the mountpoints but im not sure how KDE and Gnome cope
[11:49] <ryanakca> is there a kubuntu breezy repository for GIMP 2.2.10?
[11:49] <SmrtJustin> llama32: I would, but I want to use /media to mount my music and video directories.
[11:51] <lunitik> ryanakca: try backports  :/
[11:51] <lunitik> llama32: they are for differen't things
[11:52] <lunitik> llama32: /media is for removable things, /mnt is for actual disks etc...
[11:52] <lunitik> llama32: as per FHS
[11:52] <ryanakca> lunitik: backports?
[11:52] <lunitik> Of course, by that accord, SmrtJustin is actually using it wrong, but thats ok
[11:52] <lunitik> !backports
[11:52] <ubotu> somebody said backports was Add "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main universe multiverse restricted" (without the ") to /etc/apt/sources.list.  More info @ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[11:53] <lunitik> !botsnack
[11:53] <ubotu> :)
[11:53] <ryanakca> lunitik: thanks
[11:54] <lunitik> ryanakca: yw
[11:55] <ryanakca> lunitik: nope, not there
[11:56] <lunitik> ryanakca: its in dapper... wait a while?
[11:57] <ryanakca> meh...
[11:57] <lunitik> ryanakca: on a side note... dapper is pretty stable atm...
[11:57] <lunitik> and there's always krita *cough*
[11:58] <SmrtJustin> one other question, I want to use a font in konsole, and I can use it in KDE's appearance settings, but konsole doesn't see it, how do I get it to?
[12:02] <Snake__> lunitik: why cant you get koffice and open out of the repos?
[12:02] <lunitik> Snake__: you can, thats not what I said
[12:02] <Snake__> lunitik: Yea but why make a meta with both?
[12:03] <lunitik> Snake__: I want a metapackage that is like kubuntu-desktop, but doesn't include 2 openoffice.org packages, and instead depends koffice....
[12:03] <Snake__> Ah I see
[12:04] <lunitik> Snake__: something like ubuntu-desktop does with 'totem' would be good... ie depends a metapackage that lets you pick...


[05:07] <Madpilot> hi all
[06:05] <robotgeek> hey Madpilot , a bit late albeit
[06:11] <robotgeek> bhuvan: ping
[06:11] <bhuvan> robotgeek: pong
[06:12] <robotgeek> bhuvan: which makefile should is being talked about in $doc/teamstuff/doc.ubuntu.com/README
[06:14] <bhuvan> robotgeek: they refer the Makefile in ubuntu/ and kubuntu/ dirs respectively
[06:14] <robotgeek> bhuvan: cool, let me se if it compiles with make kall :)
[06:15] <bhuvan> robotgeek: it may not :)
[06:15] <robotgeek> make all, atleast
[06:15] <bhuvan> robotgeek: visit http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/
[06:15] <bhuvan> nope, i guess. if yes, then it should appear in http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/
[06:15] <robotgeek> bhuvan: it takes a day, after i submit the patch for the makefile, i think
[06:16] <bhuvan> yep! the documents on preview server are built once a day
[06:17] <bhuvan> you can make changes to Makefile and include kdg in "all" target and confirm desktop-guide appears in the above url. later, you can include that link in sidebar.inc.php
[06:18] <robotgeek> cool, let's just hope i am able to fix the make file, lol
[06:20] <bhuvan> robotgeek: you can refer ubuntu/Makefile for details. just copy/paste those entries. WARNING: please run 'make kdg and confirm it is built. run 'make all' and confirm kdg is also built and finally commit!
[06:21] <robotgeek> bhuvan: make kdg works, something else is messing up
[06:22] <bhuvan> then all you should do is include 'kdg' in 'all' target
[06:22] <robotgeek> bhuvan: cool, uno momento
[06:29] <robotgeek> bhuvan: should i be including desktop-web in the make all target?
[06:32] <bhuvan> robotgeek: if you include kdg and add in 'all' target
[06:33] <robotgeek> bhuvan: the current make all fails because of errors in "kubuntu packing guide" and "install" guide
[06:33] <robotgeek> maybe i should ask mdke
[06:34] <robotgeek> bhuvan: or you can also tell me what to do :)
[06:34] <bhuvan> robotgeek: yeah, i'll check; seems you are right. 'make all' fails since jan 18; refer the modified time in Scripts to Help Create
[06:35] <bhuvan> Instance Sets/Scripts to Help Create/http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/
[06:35] <robotgeek> bhuvan: commenting out both works fine
[06:37] <Burgundavia> salut jsgotangco
[06:37] <robotgeek> hey jsgotangco Burgundavia
[06:38] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco
[06:38] <robotgeek> hey LaserJock :P
[06:39] <jsgotangco> hi
[06:39] <bhuvan> robotgeek: install guide is fixed
[06:40] <robotgeek> bhuvan: should i svn up and try again?
[06:40] <bhuvan> robotgeek: ofcourse
[06:41] <bhuvan> robotgeek: packaging guide seem to do well
[06:42] <robotgeek> bhuvan: are you sure you fixed the install guide in kubuntu/
[06:42] <robotgeek> or am i missing something obvious here
[06:43] <bhuvan> you can do 'svn up' and run ./validate.sh generic/installguide/C/installguide.xml
[06:43] <robotgeek> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/9660
[06:43] <robotgeek> bhuvan: oh, i meant a install guide in kubuntu/
[06:43] <robotgeek> it's not the same as in generic
[06:44] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: what do you know about those makefiles in kubuntu/ :P
[06:44] <bhuvan> robotgeek: refer kubuntu/Makefile, the install target is based on generic/installguide/C/
[06:44] <jsgotangco> none at all, KDE has its own mad processing
[06:45] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: yeah, i have the meinproc's and stuff :)
[06:45] <bhuvan> robotgeek: i guess, kubuntu/installguide/C is unused. it is empty ?
[06:46] <robotgeek> bhuvan: yup
[06:48] <robotgeek> kdelibs-bin
[06:48] <bhuvan> robotgeek, yeah
[06:53] <Burgundavia> do we mention xchat anywhere in our docs? Looks like it is going away and not coming back
[06:53] <jsgotangco> bye bye xchat
[06:54] <robotgeek> where, what!
[06:54] <Madpilot> it's XChat-Gnome in the UDG. (XChat-Godawful...)
[06:54] <robotgeek> oh, there are two versions of xchat, <sigh>
[06:55] <Madpilot> There's the odd, not-modern-feeling (but powerful) XChat, and the new shiny (gutted) XChat-Gnome
[06:55] <robotgeek> Madpilot: why do i get the feeling that i should stick to being a console jockey, lol
[06:56] <Burgundavia> no, xchat and x-gnome are going away
[06:56] <robotgeek> replaced by?
[06:56] <Burgundavia> nothing
[06:57] <robotgeek> bhuvan: looks like my bad, the packaging guide does build
[06:57] <Burgundavia> currently being debated in #ubuntu-devel right now
[06:57] <robotgeek> bhuvan: install guide doesn't
[06:58] <bhuvan> robotgeek: ok, have you done 'svn up'
[06:58] <robotgeek> bhuvan: yes, the install guide is basically empty :)
[06:59] <bhuvan> robotgeek: i assume, you try cd kubuntu/ && make install
[06:59] <bhuvan> if you do so, it will build generic/installguide.. and you will not face any problem
[07:00] <robotgeek> bhuvan: oh yes
[07:00] <robotgeek> bhuvan: sorry, having a bad day
[07:01] <bhuvan> np
[07:01] <bhuvan> robotgeek: now you can go ahead with your desktop stuff (where we started!)
[07:02] <robotgeek> bhuvan: okay, i'll make desktop and pray!
[07:03] <bhuvan> ha ha ha .. ok :) best wishes :)
[07:04] <robotgeek> bhuvan: crap, i have to fight meinproc, lol
[07:04] <bhuvan> ?
[07:04] <robotgeek> bhuvan: the target is desktop-web, i suppose
[07:07] <bhuvan> robotgeek: i guess not, refer ubuntu/Makefile for details
[07:07] <robotgeek> bhuvan: i checked the outputs, the output of desktop-web == standard output
[07:08] <robotgeek> for webpages
[07:08] <bhuvan> ok
[07:11] <bhuvan> robotgeek: seems desktop-* targets of kubuntu is broken or point of odd directories. it has to be fixed before you make new changes
[07:12] <bhuvan> s/point of/point to/
[07:12] <robotgeek> bhuvan: okay, i'll see what i ca ndo
[07:13] <bhuvan> ok
[07:14] <robotgeek> bhuvan: if you are going to be up for a while, i'll show you when i'm done?
[07:15] <bhuvan> sure
[07:17] <Madpilot> can someone running Dapper check something for me?
[07:18] <Burgundavia> bhuvan: ping (testing connection)
[07:18] <Madpilot> ...so much for his connection :P
[07:19] <robotgeek> Madpilot: you mean, ubuntu right?
[07:19] <Madpilot> robotgeek, yeah, Ubuntu Dapper - not Kubuntu, sorry
[07:19] <robotgeek> :P
[07:19] <bhuvan> Burgundavia: pong
[07:19] <bhuvan> Madpilot: yes
[07:20] <corey_> bhuvan: cheers
[07:20] <Madpilot> bhuvan, can you just install gnucash & tell me if it's got a automatic menu entry yet? Thanks - trying to finish up some bits of UDG...
[07:21] <bhuvan> Madpilot, yes
[07:21] <Madpilot> good, thanks
[07:22] <Madpilot> gah - lots of depends?
[07:22] <bhuvan> yep
[07:32] <robotgeek> bhuvan: hey, i did not notice, but the status is online already :)
[07:32] <robotgeek> http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/status/kdg-report.html
[07:33] <robotgeek> damn, i need to clean out the status tags
[07:33] <LaserJock> so are we going to need to get rid of the link to #ubuntu in the firefox starter page?
[07:33] <robotgeek> LaserJock: so irc is no longer a viable support option?
[07:34] <Madpilot> LaserJock, why?
[07:34] <LaserJock> I don't know that we will have anything installed by default to do irc
[07:34] <robotgeek> LaserJock: irssi is as good as not being there
[07:34] <LaserJock> right now the link is irc://
[07:34] <robotgeek> gaim can do irc
[07:34] <bhuvan> robotgeek: yes. its not part of 'all' taget. but it is part of 'web' target. i assume, 'web' target documents are placed online
[07:35] <LaserJock> robotgeek: will it open up a irc:// URL from firefox?
[07:35] <robotgeek> LaserJock: probably not
[07:35] <Madpilot> LaserJock, I haven't bothered joining -devel - what's the talk on IRC apps in Dapper?
[07:35] <LaserJock> xchat and xchat-gnome are gone
[07:35] <LaserJock> from the default install
[07:35] <Madpilot> both? huh?
[07:35] <LaserJock> yep
[07:35] <Madpilot> I don't usually say this, but: WTF?
[07:36] <LaserJock> it was determined that IRC wasn't very important to most users
[07:36] <LaserJock> I think that is the basic idea anyway
[07:36] <LaserJock> IM was seen as much more used
[07:36] <Madpilot> 634 people in #ubuntu right now isn't important?
[07:36] <LaserJock> umm, I'm not sure
[07:37] <LaserJock> I guess it is assumed that they will install xchat if they want it
[07:38] <LaserJock> I hope I'm not misrepresenting the discussion
[07:39] <LaserJock> "jdub: what we ship in the desktop seed is stuff that will most likely be of use to the broadest cross-section of user profiles"
[07:40] <robitaille> how many people use Ekiga?
[07:40] <robitaille> I think the xchat client should stay personally
[07:40] <LaserJock> I have no idea, I'm still trying to figure out how to pronounce it ;-)
[07:40] <jsgotangco> im beginning to warm up on xchat-gnome though
[07:41] <Madpilot> Just because XChat-Gnome is fairly awful, we're dropping a default IRC client totally? :P
[07:41] <LaserJock> no
[07:41] <Madpilot> (only half-joking...)
[07:41] <robitaille> I'm back to irssi nowadays, but I think IRC is an easy way for user to get real time help.  And GAIM's irc is awful
[07:42] <LaserJock> well, I think if GAIM won't open an irc:// from Firefox we should remove the link. That is, if they stick to this decision
[07:42] <robitaille> it was easy to tell users:  click on the xchat button, click on connect, and you're there on #ubuntu to ask for help.
[07:44] <bhuvan> Madpilot: Q: gnucash automatic menu entry exists; A: NO
[07:44] <Madpilot> bhuvan, gah. Thanks for checking.
[07:45] <bhuvan> np
[07:45] <LaserJock> hmm, well I gotta get to bed. Maybe by the time I wake up xchat will be back :-) Here's to dreaming
[07:51] <robotgeek> bhuvan: "seems desktop-* targets of kubuntu is broken or point of odd directories. it has to be fixedbefore you make new changes". looks fine to me?
[08:01] <bhuvan> robotgeek: it builds under ubuntu-doc/kubuntu/build/... it is wrong. it should be ubuntu-doc/build/..
[08:01] <bhuvan> robotgeek: the issue exist for desktop-*
[08:02] <robotgeek> bhuvan: okay, will fix
[08:02] <bhuvan> nice
[08:02] <jsgotangco> hmm
[08:02] <jsgotangco> has anyone got a nice bluetooth guide
[08:07] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: i saw something on the wiki which worked for me
[08:08] <robotgeek> BluetoothSetup
[08:11] <jsgotangco> that's pretty ugly but thanks
[08:11] <Madpilot> jsgotangco, it's a wiki, fix it :P
[08:11] <jsgotangco> yuck
[08:12] <corey_> {{sofixit}} is the appropriate response to this
[08:13] <jsgotangco> does our wiki hvae such templates?
[08:14] <Madpilot> CategoryCleanup?
[08:15] <jsgotangco> Madpilot, in mediawiki/wikipedia, there are status templates used all throughout
[08:15] <jsgotangco> in nice colorful boxes
[08:15] <robotgeek> bhuvan: even quickguide also builds in ubuntu-doc/kubuntu/build
[08:16] <corey_> jsgotangco: nop, it doesn't
[08:16] <bhuvan> oh ok. so, it needs to be fixed as well
[08:16] <robotgeek> bhuvan: but it has a preview already?
[08:16] <corey_> jsgotangco: this is just one reason why i want to switch
[08:17] <bhuvan> robotgeek: not sure. check doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu though
[08:17] <robotgeek> bhuvan: yes, it's in there
[08:17] <Madpilot> jsgotangco, yeah, I know - only thing we've got is catcleanup. I missed the <mild sarcasm> tag :P
[08:17] <robotgeek> bhuvan: also status is built in doc/kubuntu/builde
[08:17] <corey_> jsgotangco: I believe we can do something similar. Ask mdke
[08:18] <corey_> jsgotangco: one of the cool things about templates in mediawiki is that they can add a page to a category
[08:18] <robotgeek> corey_: how easy/feasible is it to move from moin to mediawiki?
[08:18] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:18] <corey_> so we could have {{cleanup}} - which adds a tag to the top of the page, saying that the page is fuggly and add the page to cat cleanup
[08:19] <jsgotangco> {{cleanup}}
[08:19] <corey_> robotgeek: the issue is mostly social
[08:19] <jsgotangco> {{grammar}}
[08:19] <jsgotangco> {{needs_testing}}
[08:19] <corey_> ie, mdke and henrik don't want to
[08:19] <robotgeek> corey_: :P
[08:19] <bhuvan> robotgeek: seems almost all document are so.. i'm not sure whether it is intended or it is an issue
[08:19] <robotgeek> bhuvan: maybe it's intended, let me not break what works :)
[08:20] <jsgotangco> mediawiki's biggest strength aside from visual appeal of the doc is organization
[08:20] <bhuvan> in general, all documents are build under ubuntu-doc/build. not sure why kubuntu is an exception
[08:20] <corey_> mediawiki has the issue of being written in php
[08:20] <robotgeek> bhuvan: hmm, okay
[08:21] <jsgotangco> and mediawiki people aren't the greatest bug fixers for past versions
[08:21] <corey_> actually, mediawiki is pretty good on the security side
[08:21] <jsgotangco> its been better
[08:21] <jsgotangco> i just love how organized it can be
[08:22] <robotgeek> interesting...
[08:26] <corey_> jsgotangco: actually, they are pretty good
[08:28] <robotgeek> wohoo, my first commit
[08:29] <robotgeek> alrite, on that victorious note, i am off to bed!
[08:32] <Madpilot> likewise, actually. Just did a UDG commit, now I need sleep :P
[08:38] <mdke> morning
[08:39] <mdke> robotgeek_zzz, i'll take a look at the not building stuff
[08:39] <robotgeek_zzz> mdke: morning
[08:39] <mdke> it's the web target we need to work
[08:39] <robotgeek_zzz> mdke: well, that seemed to be a system, issue
[08:39] <mdke> oh right
[08:39] <robotgeek_zzz> and all the web targets work on my machine
[08:40] <mdke> ok fine
[08:41] <robotgeek_zzz> it's okay for them to build in ubuntu-doc/kubuntu/build, right?
[08:41] <mdke> yeah, I think that it what Riddell wants
[08:42] <mdke> i've lost track of the kubuntu stuff a bit because it uses a different system
[08:43] <robotgeek_zzz> i would have been lost without it, seriously
[08:43] <robotgeek_zzz> anyways, night mdke
[08:44] <mdke> night
[08:57] <corey_> I wish I had that pcmcia wireless card still
[08:58] <corey_> they I could tell whether or not this wireless bug is my card or the router
[09:25] <jsgotangco> can anyone verify on dapper that root terminal under system made a comeback
[09:27] <corey_> jsgotangco: yep, just saw that
[09:27] <corey_> jsgotangco: it is a bug I assume
[09:27] <jsgotangco> right
[09:49] <corey_> night all
[10:08] <pschulz01> Greeting, I have Ubuntu running on my Mac Mini.. and I would like to add some documentation to the Wiki on this system.. where is the best place to start?
[10:10] <jsgotangco> matt galvin used to handle PPC documentation
[10:10] <jsgotangco> hmm
[10:11] <mdke> pschulz01, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiGuide
[10:14] <pschulz01> There are several pages.. and the information seems to be spread around a bit..
[10:15] <pschulz01> UbuntuOnMac, HardwareSupportMachinesLaptopsApple, HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops, HardwareSupportMachinesDesktops
[10:15] <mdke> the HardwareSupport pages are not documentation
[10:16] <mdke> i don't know about the others
[10:16] <mdke> feel free to integrate your guide with any existing material :)
[10:21] <pschulz01> Cheers
[02:16] <Mez> rd
[03:19] <jsgotangco> jdub: is that your home phone?
[03:49] <EricNeon> hi all
[03:49] <EricNeon> anybody seen mark ?
[03:51] <jsgotangco> online?
[03:51] <EricNeon> yes
[03:52] <jsgotangco> he's online on the -devel channel but he's probably busy since he's not chatty at the moment
[03:52] <EricNeon> I will talk about ubuntu china team with him
[03:52] <jsgotangco> he went to beijing and shanghai you didnt get to meet him?
[03:53] <EricNeon> yes , we meet him
[03:54] <EricNeon> we talk over ubuntu in China
[03:54] <EricNeon> and I sent him a resume of ubuntu-cn team
[03:54] <EricNeon> then we waiting for his reply, but no~
[03:56] <EricNeon> we are preparing Dapper Release Party in Shanghai
[03:56] <jsgotangco> aren't we all :)
[03:56] <EricNeon> 'we' is meens Ubuntu-CN
[03:57] <jsgotangco> yes i'm very much aware of that :P
[03:58] <EricNeon> we are all fretfully
[04:01] <EricNeon> my god
[04:11] <EricNeon> test what
[04:14] <jsgotangco> compiled kernel :)
[04:14] <EricNeon> oh
[04:39] <WaterSevenUb> mdke, do you know if the OMF files that ship with ubuntu-doc have to be translated manually? I mean, the strings are not in any way imported from rosetta somewhere?
[04:40] <mdke> WaterSevenUb, they will be included in the template for each document in rosetta
[04:40] <WaterSevenUb> mdke, for dapper? in breezy they weren't, right?
[04:40] <mdke> this is a change from breezy, where they are untranslated
[04:40] <mdke> right
[04:40] <WaterSevenUb> ok
[04:40] <WaterSevenUb> great.
[05:41] <mdke> jsgotangco, jjesse, what's new in kubuntu docs world (except for the desktop guide initiative)?
[05:42] <jsgotangco> i got nothing to say about kubuntu at the moment since i just finished the g-a-i manual and currently working on having an edubuntu quickguide
[05:42] <jsgotangco> the desktop guide will most likely be more feasible than the quickguide if it gets completed
[05:43] <jsgotangco> i did a very very minor change in u-m as well
[05:43] <robotgeek_zzz> jsgotangco: the status is now viewable online
[05:43] <robotgeek_zzz> http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/status/kdg-report.html
[05:43] <mdke> jsgotangco, ok
[05:43] <jsgotangco> robotgeek_zzz, i'm in favor of pushing it instaed of the quickguide since it'll get redundant if we have both i think
[05:44] <robotgeek_zzz> jsgotangco: hmm, maybe not
[05:44] <jsgotangco> hmm that's still a lot of stuff to be done
[05:45] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: i have to correct the status tags :)
[05:45] <jsgotangco> we're supposed to have a meeting later but i doubt if i'll be awake at that time
[05:46] <jsgotangco> no one added an agenda item lol
[05:47] <robotgeek> jsgotangco: it is done for the most part, except for the help wanted sections
[05:48] <robotgeek> i'll fix the status tags right away
[05:49] <mdke> ok, i've added some things to the newsletter: please add any other things I've forgotten and I'll send it off later
[05:50] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/News2?action=show
[05:51] <robotgeek> mdke: you missed out TOdd Lambert's heavy wiki editing
[05:51] <mdke> robotgeek, add it in
[05:56] <jjesse> jsgotangco: sorry i was out at lunch
[05:56] <jjesse> jsgotangco: the goal is to get the desktop guide done by release, robotgeek has been working away at it quite well
[05:57] <jsgotangco> cool
[05:57] <jsgotangco> i should get some sleep
[05:57] <jsgotangco> :/
[05:58] <jsgotangco> real life has been hard on me lately
[05:58] <jsgotangco> :)
[05:58] <jjesse> i know how that goes
[05:58] <jsgotangco> lol
[05:58] <jjesse> riddell would love to get the desktop guide published in time :) -- no pressure robotgeek
[05:58] <robotgeek> jjesse: other than the help wanted sections, the rest are ok
[05:59] <jjesse> cool i'll start reviewing it and add comments
[05:59] <robotgeek> jjesse: cool, thanks
[05:59] <jsgotangco> jjesse, you done in your book contribution?
[05:59] <robotgeek> brb
[06:00] <mdke> jjesse, any other kubuntu related news for the newsletter?
[06:04] <jjesse> jsgotangco: i've done 2 drafts and have some things to change
[06:04] <jjesse> mdke: work on the adept guide has started again
[06:05] <jjesse> mdke: updating for all the changes that have taken place and working on getting it moved upstream to kde docs
[06:05] <mdke> cool, I'll add that, or will you?
[06:05] <jjesse> can you? i'm a little busy right now at work
[06:05] <mdke> sure thing
[06:06] <mdke> jjesse, did you upload it already? or is the old version still online?
[06:06] <jjesse> old version is still online, i'm basically rewriing the whole thing
[06:07] <mdke> ok
[06:08] <jjesse> there have been so many changes made, adept-notifier, adept-updater and adept-installer all have changed
[06:08] <robotgeek> jjesse: yeah, i was waiting to verify comments on that
[06:09] <robotgeek> err, my statement on that. i mentioned it in comments
[06:15] <jjesse> ooo Kubuntu espresso :)  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEspresso
[06:18] <mdke> good news
[06:36] <jsgotangco> i'm most likely not to attend the meeting so its up to you guys
[06:36] <jsgotangco> i gotta sleep (almost 2am)
[06:37] <mdke> well, there are no agenda items
[06:37] <robotgeek> mdke: i can add kdg, but i would not know what to discuss
[06:38] <mdke> well, no need, if there isn't anything to discuss
[06:39] <robotgeek> :)
[06:40] <robotgeek> mdke: do you know of a console yelp :P
[06:40] <mdke> no
[06:40] <mdke> the validate script helps to see if the xml is valid though
[06:40] <robotgeek> yeah, i did not want to vnc into my box
[06:47] <robotgeek> hey LaserJock
[06:48] <LaserJock> hi robotgeek
[07:00] <jjesse> robotgeek: the adept guide is referenced in the dg is that correct?
[07:01] <robotgeek> jjesse: yup
[07:01] <jjesse> robotgeek: hopefully this weekend i'll have some time while i do a file server migration
[07:01] <robotgeek> i am planning to put khelp:// links to all applications mentioned
[07:01] <LaserJock> umm, do we have any agenda items for the meeting today?
[07:02] <robotgeek> jjesse: other than the update kubuntu section, i think the add-applications chapter is done
[07:06] <jjesse> robotgeek: awesome, its so nice to have more then one peroosn doiong kubntu docs :)
[07:06] <robotgeek> jjesse: yup :)
[07:13] <LaserJock> hi theCore
[07:23] <theCore> LaserJock: hello LaserJock
[07:23] <theCore> I am up again!
[07:23] <LaserJock> great
[07:44] <jjesse_meeting> robotgeek: any thoughts about posting on the kubuntu forums and asking for comments on the desktop guide like we did for ubuntu desktop guide?
[07:44] <robotgeek> jjesse_meeting: yes, that would be a good idea
[07:45] <robotgeek> jjesse: i think we should wait till the page is actually generated online
[07:45] <jjesse> agreed thought it was
[07:45] <robotgeek> jjesse: i think sometime in the last one hour
[07:45] <robotgeek> it did get generated :)
[07:46] <robotgeek> http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/desktopguide-web/C/index.html
[07:46] <robotgeek> jjesse: maybe after 24 hours, i am updating status tags and stuff
[07:47] <jjesse> ok
[07:47] <robotgeek> jjesse: is it a good idea to link to the applications help page?
[07:53] <CarlFK> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu says "doing a server install of Ubuntu" - anyone have a URL for how to do that?
[07:54] <jjesse> CarlFK: just type server at the install, check out #ubuntu for support or #ubuntu-server
[07:54] <CarlFK> I know how, but trying to answer some q;s
[07:54] <CarlFK> #ubuntu-server - didn't know aobut that -thanks
[08:37] <LaserJock> mdke: are we going to have a meeting today?
[09:02] <Burgwork> woot! first drafts are off
[09:18] <mdke> LaserJock, i don't think so
[09:18] <mdke> LaserJock, nothing on the agenda anyway
[09:18] <LaserJock> mdke: ok :(
[09:18] <mdke> LaserJock, did you have something?
[09:19] <LaserJock> not really, I just wondered if we could have some sort of status report
[09:20] <LaserJock> maybe I'll try to whip up an agenda item for next time, it is kinda short notice if I add something now
[09:20] <mdke> yeah, ok
[09:24] <robotgeek> mdke: do you want to me comment out Kubuntu User Guide in doc.ubuntu.com
[09:24] <manicka> I believe naaman wants to discuss his wikicleanup proposal
[09:27] <LaserJock> manicka: is he going to be around?
[09:27] <manicka> he said last night that he would be
[09:28] <LaserJock> ok, so maybe we can have a quick meeting and maybe plan some items for next time?
[09:29] <manicka> sounds good :)
[09:30] <robotgeek> mdke: around?
[09:46] <robotgeek> manicka: ping
[09:46] <manicka> yo
[09:47] <robotgeek> http://doc.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/status/kdg-report.html
[09:47] <robotgeek> manicka: feel free to review/ add stuff to "in progress"/"help wanted"
[09:47] <robotgeek> :)
[09:47] <manicka> will do :)
[09:49] <robotgeek> alrite, later then
[10:04] <LaserJock> Doc team meeting anyone?
[10:15] <manicka> bustacap... meeting?
[10:43] <mdke> robotgeek, hi. No, I think you should have it in the menu
[10:44] <robotgeek> mdke: okay, i did not comment it
[10:44] <mdke> cool
[10:44] <robotgeek> mdke: #ubuntu-meeting
[10:44] <robotgeek> i just added desktop-guide to the list
[10:44] <mdke> i can't hang around for a meeting I'm afraid
[10:45] <mdke> especially a meeting without agenda items :)
[10:45] <robotgeek> mdke: okay, bustacap is here
[10:45] <mdke> hi bustacap
[10:45] <bustacap> hello mdke
[10:45] <mdke> nice to see you back here :)
[10:45] <bustacap> haha I just looked into this channel
[10:45] <bustacap> yeah..
[10:46] <mdke> fraid I can't hang around much
[10:46] <bustacap> join the meeting mdke
[10:46] <mdke> i've been neglecting my girlfriend because of an exam at work, so I'm going to go offline
[10:47] <mdke> sorry
[12:03] <LaserJock> robotgeek: around?
[12:03] <robotgeek> yeah LaserJock