[12:12] <syock> I don`t know why, but I feel like going back to GNOME. I can`t see what`s so customizable about KDE
[12:12] <osh> bronaugh: ipw2200 I think. I seem to remember something about that now. Something about how you load the module....
[12:12] <Telroth_Plushie|> syock, what would you like kde to do?
[12:12] <bronaugh> muahaha. Intel wireless.
[12:12] <bronaugh> crrrrap
[12:12] <puller> syock, i did the same thing!! i heard kde was soo cool so i switched then i went back to gnome
[12:12] <syock> Telroth_Plushie|: geez I don`t know. Maybe become fancier than beryl?
[12:12] <fdoving> puller: then, we need to make the script that will execute our command at startup, run: echo '/usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -a esd -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f' > ~/bin/run-artsd.sh
[12:13] <puller> syock, onlything i liekd in kde was kopete and i am workign on gettign that to work now in gnome
[12:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> syock, you can change both panels, at the top there's a dropdown, change it from "Main Panel" to the panel you want to edit
[12:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> syock,
[12:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> kde is a desktop environment, beryl is a window manager
[12:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> you can run both at the same time
[12:13] <osh> bronaugh: Not much to do. It came with the dell my boss bought me.
[12:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> that's what I'm doing now
[12:13] <puller> fdoving, ok i ran that
[12:13] <Telroth_Plushie|> no reason to duplicate code.
[12:13] <bronaugh> osh: great.
[12:13] <bronaugh> could always swap the minipci card, but whatever. that's neither here nor there
[12:14] <syock> Telroth_Plushie|: Uh, it has like Main Panel and External Taskbar (which I already deleted), but no other panels?
[12:14] <bronaugh> osh: so what does iwconfig say right now about the AP?
[12:14] <puller> fdoving, whast nect
[12:14] <puller> next*
[12:14] <bronaugh> err, about the wireless config?
[12:14] <syock> Telroth_Plushie|: Maybe bug in new KDE
[12:14] <roxley> # Appears as ANNA
[12:14] <osh> bronaugh: it gives a mac-address. the same one that this comp sees.
[12:14] <fdoving> puller: ok, now in the gnome menus. go to 'system -> preferences -> session'.
[12:14] <bronaugh> osh: ok, so it's associated.
[12:15] <bronaugh> what does route -n say?
[12:15] <osh> bronaugh: seems like it.
[12:15] <Telroth_Plushie|> syock, i haven't tested it fully, tried right clicking on the panel you wanted to edit and select "configure" ?
[12:15] <roxley> (#G010E114RM1) jajaja
[12:15] <Telroth_Plushie|> *have you tried
[12:15] <puller> fdoving,  ok
[12:15] <osh> bronaugh: nothing. I have no IP. and dhclient just times out.
[12:15] <fdoving> puller: once it's opened, select 'startup programs'
[12:15] <bronaugh> dhclient timing out is kinda wierd.
[12:15] <bronaugh> does dmesg say anything interesting?
[12:15] <ubuntu_> hi
[12:15] <syock> puller: what`s hot about kopete? Is it that video conference support?
[12:16] <ubuntu_> please, i cant mount my hd on live cd =
[12:16] <fdoving> puller: ok.. i noticed something new here.. well clean everything up once this is done. hit the 'Add' button.
[12:16] <puller> fdoving ok
[12:16] <osh> bronaugh: except that I just did a dhclient eth1 and now I got an IP. This has to be the most annoying error ever. I HATE errors that fix themselves.
[12:16] <puller> fdoving,  can we move quicly i gtg soon
[12:16] <syock> Telroth_Plushie|: Yup. It pulls out one for the main panel regardless of which panel I right clicked on
[12:16] <bronaugh> osh: yeah, transients can be kinda difficult.
[12:16] <fdoving> puller: paste '/usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -a esd -s 60 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f' into that box.
[12:16] <puller> syock, kopete is hot becuase u can customize stuff
[12:16] <fdoving> puller: then hit ok.
[12:17] <bronaugh> osh: as I said, look at dmesg; see if you can see anything interesting. could be some badness to do with the transmit buffer screwing up.
[12:17] <syock> now I have 3 panels on! ye ha. But alas, I can only configure one...
[12:17] <syock> Maybe things become brighter after next login...
[12:17] <puller> fdoving,  ok
[12:17] <osh> bronaugh: thanks for amusing me while my computer fcked itself up a bit.
[12:17] <Morrissey> Hi, when I do a "fglrxinfo" i get a: "OpenGL version string: 1.3.1091 (X4.3.0-8.28.8)"    but most forums show that they get a version 2.0(something) ... how and do I need to upgrade?
[12:17] <osh> bronaugh: good hint. I'll have a look at that.
[12:17] <puller> fdoving,  anythign else?
[12:17] <fdoving> puller: ok. now it's added. you can safely delete the 'bin' directory in your home directory.
[12:17] <puller> fdoving,  so is it all good now?
[12:18] <bronaugh> osh: often on my card, that's what's happening; but mine's an acx100 (reverse engineered driver) so I'm never surprised by such errors.
[12:18] <fdoving> puller: all good now.
[12:18] <puller> k thanks u were an awsome help
[12:18] <puller> gtg now
[12:18] <bronaugh> on the plus side, I have master mode. :P
[12:18] <fdoving> puller: ok, bye.
[12:18] <bronaugh> I love being able to be an AP.
[12:18] <osh> bronaugh: that's what I'm on right now. also I got an error about "NETDEV_TX_BUSY". Might be worth checking up on that.
[12:19] <bronaugh> osh: yeah, that sounds like a possible.
[12:19] <bronaugh> if it couldn't tx for some reason, dhclient obviously wouldn't get anywhere.
[12:19] <osh> bronaugh: Seemss plausible. Again, thanks for your company and help. Now, back to what I was doing... =)
[12:20] <bronaugh> osh: no problem :)
[12:20] <syock> as i had suspected. After relogging in I can now configure all panels. Now the world is mine!!!
[12:20] <Telroth_Plushie|> yup :)
[12:21] <syock> there, the news ticker looks much better on a tiny panel. I wish I know how to program one for GNOME
[12:21] <Telroth_Plushie|> syock, do you have any remote webservers/a website that you develop?
[12:21] <syock> Telroth_Plushie|: No. Why?
[12:21] <Telroth_Plushie|> well
[12:22] <Telroth_Plushie|> it's one of the major features i love about kde is the kio slaves
[12:22] <ubuntu_> please guys, could anyone help me to mount a partition under live cd
[12:22] <Telroth_Plushie|> i can use any protocol from any application
[12:22] <Telroth_Plushie|> ubuntu_, sudo mount /dev/hdxx /media/mountpoint
[12:22] <Telroth_Plushie|> xx is drive/partition
[12:23] <osh> ubuntu_: yea, what Telroth_Plushie| said...
[12:23] <ubuntu_> but im on live cd!
[12:23] <Morrissey> How do I know wich ATI driver I have?
[12:23] <ubuntu_> theres nothing on /media
[12:23] <osh> ubuntu_: then just create a /mnt/whatever and mount it there.
[12:23] <bronaugh> ubuntu_: so create a directory in there.
[12:24] <Telroth_Plushie|> bbl
[12:24] <slow-motion> n8
[12:29] <syock> Wow, you mean I can`t use panel while configuring News Ticker? All other applets seem fine though. Maybe newsticker is kinda old perhaps by chance?
[12:31] <Ayabara> how do I configure system standby stuff in Kubuntu?  I can't find any such setting in screensaver, and I have no power management choice there
[12:36] <coreymon77> remember the friend i was talking about
[12:36] <bronaugh> 240 gigs of RAID1 space. yeah, I am down with that.
[12:36] <coreymon77> with the boot sequence
[12:36] <Whopper> yea
[12:36] <Whopper> :P
[12:36] <coreymon77> whop[pers the guy i was talking about
[12:37] <coreymon77> so
[12:37] <coreymon77> could you guys help him out?
[12:37] <rexo2> hmmm yes I see that,, am looking > Ayabara
[12:37] <coreymon77> syock:
[12:38] <coreymon77> gnomefreak:
[12:38] <joskar_> rexo2: There is no 'konsolope' in that list
[12:38] <Ayabara> rexo2, ok. I have power management in my task bar, but all I can choose is what to do when I shut the lid of my laptop
[12:39] <coreymon77> guys
[12:39] <coreymon77> can anyone help out with how to reorder the boot sequence
[12:39] <coreymon77> so that it will search for cds first?
[12:39] <jamonation> anyone tell me how to run memtest on a 5.04 livecd?
[12:39] <jamonation> from the boot prompt?
[12:39] <coreymon77> whoppers here for 5 mins
[12:39] <coreymon77> so could you please help him out a bit?
[12:40] <Whopper> umm...
[12:40] <bronaugh> go into the BIOS, reorder the boot sequence?
[12:40] <coreymon77> yes
[12:40] <bronaugh> in older award BIOSes, it's in advanced setup
[12:40] <bronaugh> boot sequence CDROM,C,A
[12:41] <Whopper> k
[12:41] <coreymon77> but whopper needs to know how to get in the the bios setup
[12:41] <bronaugh> in newer BIOSes it's under the boot menu, and you follow the directions on screen to reorder it.
[12:41] <bronaugh> hit <del>
[12:41] <Whopper> ah
[12:41] <bronaugh> or follow directions on screen.
[12:41] <coreymon77> i think it may be a dell though
[12:41] <Whopper> coreymon77: yes, it's a dell
[12:41] <coreymon77> ya
[12:41] <bronaugh> sometimes it's F1, sometimes F2, sometimes F10, sometimes CTRL+ESC, sometimes CTRL+ALT+ENTER
[12:42] <rexo2> >Ayabara .. look like DPMS in  /etc/X11/xorg.conf  is what you might want to look at...  start with man xorg.conf and read up .. you will need admin rights for edit of xorg.conf
[12:42] <bronaugh> sometimes you just whack the keyboard until you get a keyboard error, and get in that way.
[12:42] <Whopper> ok
[12:42] <coreymon77> del computers
[12:42] <coreymon77> whats the key for them?
[12:42] <bronaugh> depends what age.
[12:42] <Ayabara> rexo2, ok. I'm installing kpowersave now. maybe that'll do the job
[12:42] <Whopper> 2001
[12:43] <Whopper> it's older :S
[12:43] <bronaugh> on the 386es and 486es you used to be able to get into the BIOS by hitting CTRL+ALT+Enter at any time.
[12:43] <bronaugh> it was pretty hilarious.
[12:43] <coreymon77> well he has two computers
[12:43] <rexo2> >Ayabara .. ok ...
[12:43] <bronaugh> just hit <del> would be my guess.
[12:43] <bronaugh> but really.. read what's on screen.
[12:43] <Telroth_Plushie|> it should tell you when you boot up
[12:43] <bronaugh> it'll tell you, in 99% of cases.
[12:43] <Telroth_Plushie|> press xyxy to enter setup
[12:43] <coreymon77> the one hes thinking of putting lubuntu on is a 2001 packard-bell
[12:43] <Telroth_Plushie|> where xyxy is a key
[12:43] <bronaugh> and where it doesn't... hold down some key
[12:43] <bronaugh> chances are that'll cause a keyboard error, which'll get you into the BIOS.
[12:44] <Whopper> ko
[12:44] <Whopper> ok*
[12:44] <coreymon77> the one hes thinking of putting lubuntu on is a 2001 packard-bell
[12:44] <coreymon77> anyone know about those ones?
[12:44] <bronaugh> and yeah, I'm a sick and twisted fuck for knowing all of this.
[12:44] <bronaugh> just follow what I said.
[12:44] <Whopper> lol
[12:44] <Whopper> ok
[12:44] <bronaugh> it's a heuristic, but it works.
[12:45] <khirr> i've installed dapper 30 min ago, but i cant listen music on amarok..why?
[12:46] <bronaugh> I'm guessing because you don't have the MP3 codec.
[12:46] <khirr> win32 codecs?
[12:46] <bronaugh> no.
[12:46] <joskar_> I still have trouble installing NVIDIA drivers, help anyone?
[12:46] <khirr> so, what codecs?
[12:46] <coreymon77> thanks for the help guys
[12:46] <bronaugh> khirr: the MP3 codec. I have no clue what package the ubuntards have put it in.
[12:47] <khirr> if i put mp3 on adept...will find them?
[12:47] <bronaugh> try again, this time in english?
[12:47] <Ayabara> rexo2, kpowersave seems to handle the dpms stuff. thanks for helping
[12:48] <rexo2> >Ayabara .. ok thanks.
[12:49] <Telroth_Plushie|> khirr,
[12:49] <Telroth_Plushie|> !mp3
[12:49] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:53] <rexo2> still have slackware 10.2 and wixXP on this system, but this Ubuntu was sooo easy to install and configure, I haven't used other OS since installing.
[12:54] <Telroth_Plushie|> i use xp only for HL2 and unreal tournament 2k4
[12:54] <joskar_> How do I enable SLI?
[12:54] <bronaugh> yeah, I think the easy factor is the reason most of us are installing it.
[12:54] <Telroth_Plushie|> easy, and it stays up to date
[12:54] <bronaugh> shrug... my laptop runs debian unstable.
[12:55] <bronaugh> that stays up to date too :P
[12:55] <bronaugh> except that they still don't have firefox2
[12:55] <Telroth_Plushie|> see
[12:55] <Telroth_Plushie|> :P
[12:55] <bronaugh> I have Xorg 7.10
[12:55] <Telroth_Plushie|> why not run debian experimental then?
[12:55] <bronaugh> or 7.1.0
[12:55] <bronaugh> I have Deb experimental sources.
[12:55] <bronaugh> deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian ../project/experimental main
[12:56] <rexo2> well, I like tweaking, but also need a stable system..
[12:57] <bronaugh> unstable's pretty stable.
[12:57] <bronaugh> a few interesting packaging issues, but that seems to be about it.
[12:57] <Telroth_Plushie|> i want bleeding edge, even if it results in me being that one that's bleeding.
[12:57] <joskar_> SLI? Anyone?
[12:57] <Telroth_Plushie|> edgy is stable from what i've used it fore.
[12:57] <Telroth_Plushie|> *for
[12:57] <bronaugh> joskar_: I'm guessing you mean with nVidia cards?
[12:57] <bronaugh> join #nvidia if so.
[12:57] <joskar_> k...thanks
[01:01] <rexo2> did have an interesting time getting two nvidia and one ibm on main board working with 3 monitors though... refered to my existing slackware for help..
[01:01] <rexo2> xinerama
[01:01] <unix_infidel> dvi+vga+vga?
[01:02] <rexo2> no.. i have one, but on installed as it kept my tv card from working.
[01:03] <rexo2> got to have the composite input for the ps2 gt4 racing game to unwind after work.
[01:05] <rexo2> it was vga vga svideo  and i don't have any svideo monitor/tv ..
[01:06] <rexo2> but the dual nvidia was nice anyways and freed up one pci slot.
[01:06] <bronaugh> heh
[01:06] <Alter-Ego> http://pastebin.com/827745
[01:06] <Alter-Ego> why am i a getting a seg fault with bluefish ?
[01:07] <rexo2> is bluefish similar to nvu  .. web page design?
[01:09] <drumhed> anyone able to get fglrx running in edgy?
[01:09] <rexo2> nvu works good for me,  haven't tried bluefish.
[01:10] <drumhed> im having trouble getting dri and setting "composite" extension to off
[01:10] <drumhed> any help appreciated
[01:13] <Alter-Ego> bluefish is very powerfull
[01:14] <Alter-Ego> i am getting a segfault related to .gtk-bookmarks
[01:14] <Alter-Ego> i assume that i don't have gtk installed, but i am not sure why bluefish would not have looked at this dependancy first
[01:14] <Morrissey> Hi, do I need composite?? Unfortunally ATI doesnt support it with DRI yet ... but what is it? Can I use ie: Bery/compiz?
[01:15] <Telroth_Plushie|> Beryl/Compiz require composite
[01:15] <Telroth_Plushie|> for help with getting them running, visit #ubuntu-xgl
[01:15] <rexo2> yes .. probably more program then i need.  are you up to getting source and libs and compiling on your own system?  >Alter-Ego
[01:16] <Alter-Ego> i have done LFS
[01:16] <rexo2> yes... more that up to the task i see ... >Aler-Ego
[01:17] <Morrissey> ok Telroth_Plushie|  thanks
[01:17] <drumhed> morrissy-  i know, tell me about it.. catch 22 for me is that when I try do disable composite to gain dri, xorg barfs and says section "extensions" is invalid.. argh
[01:18] <Morrissey> drumhed, exacly
[01:19] <Morrissey> same happened here ... you _have_ to disable it for glx to even work
[01:19] <drumhed> something is borked here
[01:19] <drumhed> documentation not adding up
[01:19] <Telroth_Plushie|> (shoulda gone with nvidia ;) )
[01:20] <obf213> !mp3
[01:20] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:20] <obf213> !mp3>timi
[01:21] <swanfl> obf213, I would prefer ogg but the file is in mps format
[01:21] <swanfl> er mp3
[01:21] <obf213> swanfl i dont know wht ur talking about
[01:22] <Alter-Ego> !build
[01:22] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[01:22] <swanfl> NM
[01:25] <drumhed> too bad I can't choose nvidia (laptop)
[01:25] <drumhed> kinda stuck ;-)
[01:29] <rexo2> got to go ... race is on ..
[01:33] <crazy_bus> Can anyone recommend a good DVD burning program for kubuntu.
[01:33] <swanfl> k3b
[01:38] <crazy_bus> but that doesn't burn video DVD's does it
[01:40] <crazy_bus> I'm trying to put this onto a DVD, I can watch; http://orange.blender.org/download
[01:41] <swanfl> you want to master a dvd?
[01:42] <Silmethule> hmm, i have a "new project DVD Video" in my K3b's menu, so it burn VDVD... ;P
[01:42] <Telroth_Plushie|> crazy_bus, i use DeVeDe
[01:43] <crazy_bus> It's just I accidently downloaded the 'AVI, MPEG4 / AC3 5.1 Surround 1920(HD)' version.  And my CPU isn't powerful enough to play it
[01:44] <swanfl> try kmediafactory, crazy_bus
[01:45] <swanfl> nm
[01:45] <will_> so has anyone got Amarok + MTP transfer working?
[01:47] <crazy_bus> I'm installing kmediafactory now.  Thanks everyone for your help
[01:54] <SperMite> anyone use ktorrent in here?
[01:55] <johnzo> I do.
[01:56] <SperMite> johnzo, can you tell me why the status keeps saying its downloading then says stalled?
[01:56] <johnzo> this is just a guess, I'm not a torrent expert by any stretch, but I'm betting it's polling your peers to see if there's anything out there to download.
[01:57] <johnzo> and it flips to "download" while it's polling and then back to "stalled" when it finds nothing.
[01:58] <Canadiansailor> Is there anyone in here that can give me some help with Samba?  I'm VERY new to linux.
[01:58] <johnzo> Canadiansailor, try me.  :)
[01:59] <Canadiansailor> How do I chat with you.  I'm also new to IRC Clients
[01:59] <bronaugh> just talk in here.
[02:00] <invisible_slack> While trying to install Kubuntu Edgy once it gets to the Blue Screen it just freezes and does nothing more, I have a Dual Core AMD with Asus Mobo 1 gig ram Nvidia 7800GT 2 SATA 74 gig raptors with USB Enabled...  Anyone care to take a shot what is the problem?
[02:00] <Canadiansailor> I can't seem to find my home network with Samba.  My gui is smb4k.
[02:02] <johnzo> so you're trying to browse an existing windows network with Linux?
[02:10] <obf213> when is firefox 2 available in repositories
[02:11] <seanieb64> Hi.
[02:11] <Alter-Ego> now
[02:11] <Alter-Ego> obf213: now
[02:11] <Alter-Ego> i am using it
[02:11] <LjL> obf213: if you're using dapper, probably never
[02:11] <obf213> ooo yeah im on dapper
[02:11] <obf213> how do i upgrade to edgy or w/e
[02:11] <Alter-Ego> invisible_slack: do you have sata enabled in the bios
[02:12] <obf213> do i just go in repositories and change all instances fo dapper to edgy?
[02:12] <seanieb64> #Ubuntu is full, #perl is being a jerk, and I was wondering, how to upgrade perl manually without delteing kubuntu-desktop.
[02:12] <intelikey> !upgrade | obf213
[02:12] <ubotu> obf213: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[02:12] <johnzo> does anyone else have an issue where firefox freezes when the KDE wallpaper changes?
[02:12] <Alter-Ego> if your going to edgy, do a new install imho
[02:12] <invisible_slack> Alter-Ego, yes I do have sata enabled in the Bios
[02:12] <seanieb64> the deb conflicts with the version installed
[02:13] <invisible_slack> Alter-Ego, this is a fresh install, I get to boot up, select install it does a splash screen tries going ot the Blue desktop screen and poof freezes
[02:13] <intelikey> obf213 basicly, yes.
[02:13] <invisible_slack> I've unplugged all my USB Hardware thinking that might cause a problem but no fix with that
[02:13] <Alter-Ego> do you have raid ?
[02:13] <invisible_slack> No just single SATA
[02:13] <invisible_slack> 2x Raptor 74 gigs one for Windows 1 for Linux
[02:14] <Canadiansailor> Yes Jonzo
[02:15] <intelikey> invisible_slack see if you can switch to a console, it might be hung or x might have just stopped writing to the screen.
[02:15] <invisible_slack> intelikey, I've tried switching to console no go
[02:16] <Alter-Ego> invisible_slack: do you have raid in the bios?
[02:16] <intelikey> k just a thought.  i just got here. so if that is a repete, sorry.
[02:16] <Alter-Ego> under your sata ?
[02:16] <invisible_slack> No Raid options enabled in Bios
[02:17] <Alter-Ego> i had to enable raid options in my bios to get it to work
[02:17] <Alter-Ego> for my sata drive
[02:17] <johnzo> Canadiansailor: not sure what's up.  I usually go the other way and browse my samba shares with windows.  :)
[02:17] <invisible_slack> Really? that seems a bit weird what chipset you got?
[02:17] <intelikey> i find it hard to imagine it having anything to do with the disk  if it's getting to the X portion of the boot.
[02:18] <bronaugh> invisible_slack: try the safe video thing.
[02:18] <Canadiansailor> Even trying that route It's not working
[02:18] <invisible_slack> bronaugh, tried that to same problem freezes at blue screen
[02:19] <invisible_slack> hmm let me give it a try well see with me enabling raid
[02:19] <bronaugh> invisible_slack: use the alternate CD.
[02:19] <bronaugh> and use the text installer
[02:19] <invisible_slack> brb guys thnx for help lets see what happens
[02:19] <bronaugh> IMO unless you want to use the desktop CD as a livecd, it's useless.
[02:19] <intelikey> invisible_slack may i sujest you boot to single user mode and then one by one start the runlevel two tasks until you find what is actually hanging it
[02:20] <invisible_slack> intelikey, I'll try that in a sec let me try something 1st
[02:23] <intelikey> that was liveCD issue ?  i thought i read him as "this is a fresh install"  ???
[02:27] <intelikey> bronaugh the liveCD can be used to install if you have never seen linux before....   it's only the old linux hands that can't use it.....
[02:27] <bronaugh> intelikey: the thing sucks.
[02:27] <intelikey> yep.
[02:29] <cam> Can anyone tell me why I'm getting a wmvdmod.dll error? I was able to see the videos fine before but now it seems I'm having a codec issue.
[02:30] <intelikey> cam mind clueing us in on what took place between "before" and "after" ?
[02:32] <cam> Well I have some videos they're avi. wmv...either way I was able to play them fine, now I only get sound.
[02:32] <dragonfly7> Hello everyone.
[02:32] <cam> I got an wmvdmod.dll error...I assume it's a codec issue of some sort
[02:35] <cam> I haven't used this machine in a few weeks.
[02:35] <intelikey> ah ok.  machine sat idle    is that all ?
[02:35] <cam> hen I was able to play wmv with now problems, now I just get sound, VLC sin't playing them either...
[02:35] <Omnifrog> yippy!
[02:35] <Omnifrog> tux racer works
[02:36] <cam> It's actually Kubuntu on a seperate HD, the other has XP
[02:36] <cam> any ideas?
[02:36] <intelikey> ok machine wasn't idle it was M$'ing around,  is that all ?
[02:37] <intelikey> you didn't install or remove anything ?
[02:37] <cam> no
[02:37] <intelikey> didn't configure anything ?
[02:37] <cam> how can check to see that all is in order?
[02:37] <cam> with my codecs that is?
[02:38] <dennister> g' evening folks
[02:38] <dennister> Q: how do you convert/change a pl script into a daemon?
[02:39] <intelikey> cam sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade     <-- see if a patch has been released that might fix it.
[02:39] <cam> I'll see if this makes a difference...
[02:41] <intelikey> pl  that's perl ?    i don't know. i don't speak perlish ;/
[02:42] <intelikey> started to try to learn it once,  didn't get far....
[02:42] <Omnifrog> pl is perl, yes
[02:43] <Omnifrog> i got one suse box left in the house and it's going byebye on monday
[02:43] <cam> ok I'm updating stuff now...he shall see if thei works...
[02:43] <intelikey> i made the mistake of going to #perl and asking a question....  that broke me from trying to learn perl, or even using it.
[02:43] <dennister> test
[02:44] <intelikey> cam it may not help a thing.  but if your lucky it wont hurt anything.
[02:44] <cam> yeah, it's been some time since I used kubuntu...plus my XP HD was gettig full...
[02:44] <Omnifrog> deimon, you mean have it keep running in the background?
[02:45] <cam> though if this doesn't help i guess I can narrow it down to being a codec issue namely the wmv one...
[02:45] <dennister> blasted net-splitting
[02:45] <dennister> did anyone answer my question while i was away? lol
[02:45] <intelikey> cam ah wmv  yeah that may be it even if it does work.
[02:45] <intelikey> !wmv
[02:45] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:46] <Omnifrog> dennister, you mean have it keep running in the background?
[02:46] <intelikey> nope not there.   thought there was an infonode on wmv
[02:46] <dennister> Q: how do you convert/change a pl script into a daemon?
[02:46] <intelikey> about the latest not being supported in linux yet....
[02:47] <cam> I just want to use this thing w/o having to trouble shoot it every other day :(
[02:47] <ironfroggy> i burnt the desktop CD and checked my boot priorities, but im not getting into the CD. what might be wrong?
[02:47] <intelikey> cam you can.  just leave the propritary junk alone.
[02:47] <dennister> test
[02:47] <intelikey> it's not linux's fault that people wont release the code
[02:48] <Omnifrog> dennister?
[02:48] <cam> yeah it's sad...
[02:48] <intelikey> dennister so is test supposed to be the answer ?
[02:48] <cam> soometimes it should just "work" no muss no fuss...
[02:48] <intelikey> dennister i don't think test can do that.
[02:48] <Omnifrog> is this a pop quiz? lol
[02:48] <ironfroggy> i checked and the CD seems to have written OK. any thoughts?
[02:48] <dennister> cam: convert the formats if you can, to something supported
[02:49] <dennister> lol...test was just to see if i was being net-splitted again
[02:49] <cam> question is this an issue?
[02:49] <intelikey> ironfroggy about ?
[02:49] <ironfroggy> intelikey: burnt a new desktop CD (cant find my other) but it wont boot, although it seems to have burnt just fine.
[02:50] <cam> SUSE was able to play wmv after some tinkering...why noy Kubuntu? which I love :/
[02:50] <dennister> cam: is what an issue? one particular codec/format being supported in linux?
[02:50] <intelikey> cam unless i'm mistaken latest wmv is not yet supported in linux.  hope i'm wrong.  someone feel free to correct me.
[02:51] <cam> No, is their an issue with Kubuntu and wmv? I assume it works, just not all the time...
[02:51] <intelikey> it work.
[02:51] <intelikey> it works.
[02:51] <cam> it worked before...
[02:51] <intelikey> same file ?
[02:51] <dennister> "after some tinkering" says it all...not easy in suse either, from what u say...do you have a lot of wmv files?
[02:52] <cam> now it doesn't...pretty much yes.
[02:52] <intelikey> same file ?
[02:52] <cam> most of the files I download seem to be either WMV or XVID, yes and the same files that played before, now decided that they don't want too
[02:52] <intelikey> see it's not even relevent if "a" wmv file worked before but "this" wmv file doesn't now.    version is relevent.
[02:52] <ironfroggy> is there some way to verify that a disc is bootable?
[02:53] <intelikey> ironfroggy boot it  lol
[02:53] <cam> hmmmmm
[02:53] <intelikey> ironfroggy sorry for the humour at your expense.
[02:53] <ironfroggy> intelikey: no problem. i would have made the same remark.
[02:54] <intelikey> ironfroggy i'm sure there is, i just never had the occasion to look for it.
[02:54] <ironfroggy> intelikey: im getting "L 99 99 99..." etc. LILO error, yes? just trying to verfiy its actually booting my harddisk and not failing to boot at all.
[02:54] <cam> <n00b but not lazy :/
[02:54] <intelikey> boot error.  actually not loading enough lilo code for lilo to step in....
[02:55] <bronaugh> boob error, grab failed
[02:55] <ironfroggy> OK but it is at least trying to boot from the harddisk, right?
[02:55] <dennister> this net-splitting is driving me crazy
[02:55] <intelikey> bronaugh be nice.  :)
[02:55] <obf213> is flash 9 out yet
[02:55] <dennister> no one knows how to convert a pl script to a daemon?
[02:55] <bronaugh> hehe
[02:56] <bronaugh> dennister: uhh... man fork?
[02:56] <intelikey> from where ever that error is generated, ironfroggy
[02:56] <noiesmo> Hey all running Edgy Beryl Aiglx Nvidia I normally set screen to 1152x864 when I run warcraft 3 my screen reverts to 1024x764 is there a way to stop this
[02:56] <dennister> obf213: i think i just installed it
[02:56] <obf213> sweet
[02:56] <dennister> bronaugh: man fork?
[02:56] <intelikey> ironfroggy put it this way if it could boot that disk (what ever it is) it would    yes.
[02:56] <momal> Is the cpu mhz in kinfocenter>processor correct? because it says 1000.000 and i have a amd x2 4200+ so i think it should be running around 2000mhz at least. if it is correct how can i boost it up?
[02:57] <bronaugh> dennister: it's a more or less direct answer to your question.
[02:57] <bronaugh> momal: cool'n'quiet
[02:57] <bronaugh> momal: automatically downclocks the CPU.
[02:57] <ironfroggy> ok if i disconnect the harddrive, i get a standard "Operating System not found" so why isnt it even attempting the CD-ROM?
[02:57] <dennister> !fork
[02:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fork - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:57] <bronaugh> momal: so what you're seeing is the current CPU speed.
[02:57] <intelikey> ironfroggy that's like when you swing with all your might but just don't hit anything..... 99 99 99 99
[02:57] <momal> oh..so it auto goes up when the system uses more cpu ?
[02:58] <dennister> bronaugh: i'd really appreciate a direct answer...no man pages for fork
[02:58] <dennister> <---used to literal help, literal following of howtos
[02:58] <ironfroggy> intelikey: i think my upgrade to edgy borked up my LILO configuration
[02:58] <bronaugh> dennister: a perl script can be anything, including a daemon.
[02:59] <bronaugh> what you've asked is a non-question.
[02:59] <intelikey> ironfroggy likely.   if you can boot from a liveCD or something  chroot into the system and run lilo
[02:59] <ironfroggy> intelikey: thats what im trying to do but it wont boot the CD :-/
[02:59] <johnzo> flash
[02:59] <dennister> ok, well i've got a perl script that needs to be a daemon to be effective
[03:00] <dennister> right now it's not, it just executes and exits
[03:00] <intelikey> ironfroggy yes and now we have come full circle.     (i can't make it boot remotely or i would)
[03:00] <ironfroggy> if it exits, it wont be very effective as a daemon
[03:00] <dennister> it's not supposed to exit
[03:01] <ironfroggy> intelikey: know how i could verify that the CD i wrote was not corrupted? know how i could get an md5 sum?
[03:01] <intelikey> ironfroggy md5's are on the site you dl from
[03:01] <crazy_bus> kmediafactory won't work for me :(  The first time I tried it it froze my computer for a while then deleted the menu bar.  The second time I tried it, it came up with an error.
[03:01] <ironfroggy> intelikey: i know but i would like to find out what the md5sum of the CD is, so i can verify against that.
[03:02] <bronaugh> dennister: ok, what is it though? did you write it?
[03:02] <crazy_bus> can anyone recommend another dvd program?
[03:02] <intelikey> md5 of the cd and iso are the same are they not ?
[03:02] <intelikey> you can dd the iso to cd  right.....
[03:02] <ironfroggy> intelikey: only if the CD was written without error, which is what im trying to verify.
[03:02] <dennister> basically it's the change-channel-lirc.pl file that sends the lirc signal to the digital cable setop box...on a previous installation it was a PID, and daemon, now it's not
[03:03] <intelikey> so get the md5 from the site
[03:03] <ironfroggy> intelikey: im trying to verify that the CD was written correctly, because i dont know why else it wouldnt be booting.
[03:03] <ironfroggy> intelikey: i have the md5 from the site.
[03:03] <bronaugh> dennister: does it have any config files?
[03:03] <ironfroggy> intelikey: but the md5 is useless without something to compare it against...
[03:03] <bronaugh> if so, you might want to examine them.
[03:03] <dennister> nope
[03:03] <bronaugh> ok, does it have command line options?
[03:03] <intelikey> the cd
[03:03] <bronaugh> and does it give any output before it quits?
[03:03] <intelikey> ?
[03:04] <intelikey> what am i missing here ?
[03:04] <ironfroggy> intelikey: yes the md5sum of the CD is what i want.
[03:04] <ironfroggy> intelikey: of the actual CD i have written, what it is, not what its supposed to be.
[03:04] <ironfroggy> intelikey: so that i can verify that what it IS is what it SHOULD BE. right?
[03:04] <ironfroggy> im trying "md5sum /dev/scd0" but im not sure its doing what i want.
[03:05] <dennister> this is my third edgy installation, i followed superm1's howtos every time; the first time it generated a PID, the other two times it didn't...stayed as pl file only
[03:05] <dennister> bronaugh: no, there's no output <lag on this end>
[03:06] <bronaugh> dennister: all I can suggest is either read the code or find the author; either email or online.
[03:06] <bronaugh> I know nothing about the particular code.
[03:06] <bronaugh> I suspect it's failing because of some problem with your lirc setup.
[03:06] <bronaugh> but I don't know.
[03:07] <dennister> the lirc is working...in mythtv, mplayer, xine...the stb hardware is a nother step
[03:07] <dennister> the stb, when i start up mythtv, just starts and exits "without error"
[03:08] <Omnifrog> ironfroggy, the md5 is for the ISO. NOT the burnt image of the ISO
[03:08] <Omnifrog> and there is no way to compair the md5 of the ISO with the burnt cd
[03:08] <dennister> it's <almost> the last mile here, myth registers channel change, but the signal doesn't get to the stb
[03:09] <Omnifrog> boot the bootable cd and look for a varification option in the boot menu
[03:09] <intelikey> Omnifrog the iso is different from the cd ?
[03:09] <ironfroggy> Omnifrog: they should (and are, i have just verified it) be the same. the ISO is the exact image of the CD.
[03:09] <freezy> i need help to driver ati
[03:09] <bronaugh> freezy: /join #ati
[03:09] <freezy> what ?
[03:09] <Omnifrog> really intelikey ?
[03:09] <intelikey> that's what i'm saying.
[03:09] <ironfroggy> ok so the CD's actual md5sum matches the image i grabbed from kubuntu.org, so why cant i boot it?
[03:10] <Omnifrog> im not so sure about that
[03:10] <freezy> ineed 3daccelerate my radeon 9550
[03:10] <bronaugh> freezy: #ati is probably a good place to start
[03:10] <freezy> .. ?
[03:10] <bronaugh> the IRC channel.
[03:10] <intelikey> Omnifrog have you never done   dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso ?
[03:10] <dennister> i guess i'll have to do make the script again...get no results in my google searches either...maybe 1st and 4th time lucky :)
[03:10] <ironfroggy> Omnifrog: well i have just verified it. be sure.
[03:11] <bronaugh> ok, I'd better quit here before I start being abusive just because.
[03:11] <dennister> !ati
[03:11] <freezy> a ok
[03:11] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:11] <Omnifrog> ah, well...ok.
[03:11] <dennister> poor bronaugh...in a testy mood it seems :)
[03:11] <Omnifrog> im familliar with dd, but i didnt think md5 could make it past the file system in tact
[03:12] <cam> ...still updating :/
[03:12] <ironfroggy> Omnifrog: well the ISO is a byte-by-byte duplicate of the CD to be written.
[03:12] <Omnifrog> ya
[03:12] <ironfroggy> yay i made it worse! now i get  some 07's and some beeping tossed into the LILO boot errors.
[03:13] <Omnifrog> but dd'ing a device file through the file system layer is different, i thought
[03:13] <thomas> yoyo
[03:14] <intelikey> hey don't ask me.  i have no clue.     i'm the clueless guy with the bad attitude.
[03:14] <thomas> what ya all doing here?+
[03:14] <Omnifrog> i have a bad altitude
[03:15] <intelikey> i'm so ignorant, i don't even know what that is.
[03:15] <intelikey> some one help me.  i forgot how to breath....
[03:15] <intelikey> :)
[03:16] <dennister> u guys r cracking me up
[03:16] <dennister> intelikey: ur not a jerk
[03:16] <dennister> hands intelikey a flower
[03:16] <intelikey> oh yes i am   dont argue with me.
[03:16] <dennister> roflmho
[03:17] <dennister> ok...wouldn't want u to catch bronaugh's mood disease :)
[03:17] <intelikey> :)
[03:17] <h3sp4wn> use dd for everything if possible
[03:18] <dennister> well i've been cleaning up partitions, backing up, making image files...
[03:18] <dennister> hi h3sp4wn :)
[03:18] <intelikey> dd of=filename if=/dev/stdin
[03:19] <dennister> h3sp4wn: would u know how to change/convert a good pl script into a daemon?
[03:20] <dennister> intelikey: the other way around: if statement first, of second
[03:20] <intelikey> dennister order is not important.
[03:20] <intelikey> try it....
[03:21] <dragonfly7> Ok, I need help again. (hi everyone I know)
[03:21] <dennister> dd if=/dev/hdx of=/mnt/xxx/filename
[03:21] <h3sp4wn> dennister: what do you mean ? how do you know whether its good ?
[03:21] <intelikey> dd of=/mnt/xxx/filename if=/dev/hdx <--- does exactly the same thing.
[03:21] <h3sp4wn> dennister: hi
[03:22] <dragonfly7> I Appearence in system settings, I changed the GTK font styles to use the KDE font, and now it won't change back. I say "Use another style: QT" and hit apply, but when I restart the system settings app, it is switched back. I need to fix this, since fonts in gaim and firefox look horrible.
[03:23] <dennister> i just backed up my mbr by : dd if=/dev/hda of=/mnt/backup/hda-backup.mbr count=1 bs=512
[03:23] <dennister> i did it while i was in systemrescuecd, with the documentation right in front of me; it's still in front of me
[03:23] <dennister> hi dragonfly7
[03:23] <intelikey> dennister ok now do  dd  bs=512 count=1 of=/mnt/backup/hda-backup.mbr2 if=/dev/hda
[03:24] <dennister> the bs and count items come after the if and of statements
[03:24] <intelikey> then if you want you can diff hda-backup.mbr2 hda-backup.mbr
[03:25] <dragonfly7> dennister: Hello. Do you have any idea about my font problem? Is there a place I can manually edit the system font preferences?
[03:25] <Omnifrog> hahaha, "Suse users do it with protection"
[03:25] <Omnifrog> http://geekjr.com/images/suse-ballmer2.jpg
[03:25] <dennister> the only thing i didn't do is the diff..it worked though...i don't need the help actia;;u
[03:26] <dennister> dragonfly7: hold on a sec
[03:26] <stodge> When I view videos on youtube I don't get any sound when played in Firefox, and in Konq the sound isn't in synch with the video... Any ideas?
[03:26] <intelikey> i was only pointing out that your correction to my post was in vain.
[03:28] <dennister> taken right from hyam's how to (3 lines of code separated by ;): apt-get install gsfonts-x11 msttcorefonts; apt-get install tcsh;fc-cache -f -v
[03:28] <dennister> intelikey: k...i stand corrected...i should have posted the whole thing...and maybe i didn't read urs correctly
[03:29] <dragonfly7> dennister: OK, holding.
[03:30] <dennister> dragonfly7: ^^scroll up...i found the section and posted it already...u will, of course, substitute the fonts u want from hyams'
[03:31] <dennister> it might work, u might not even have to do the second line, as hyams works with ubuntu, and it has different shells than kubuntu, but i'd do the middle line anyway
[03:32] <dragonfly7> dennister: It seems to be working. This will make the system settings work?
[03:32] <oem> test
[03:33] <dennister> dragonfly7: at least the fonts will be installed properly into your system...then you should be able to change the fonts used in system settings
[03:33] <oem> Hi total noob here...sorry...I need to post to the forums...or maybe I can ask my question here about dual head ati....but I am having a hard time finding how to post to the web forum....does anyone have any suggestions?
[03:33] <dennister> oem; do u have an account with the forums?
[03:34] <oem> no I was trying to find out where to create an account but I couldnt find it
[03:34] <dennister> i've never heard of a dual head ati, but then again, i'm an nvidia person...try 'register' on the forums site
[03:35] <dennister> !ati
[03:35] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:35] <oem> I searched for register here: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/forums but no luck
[03:36] <intelikey> pm
[03:36] <LeeJunFan> oem: kde display settings should be able to setup the dual head ATI stuff for you.
[03:36] <dennister> oem: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ you'll see the register tab
[03:37] <dennister> ahhh LeeJunFan :) nice to see a knowledgeable person
[03:37] <LeeJunFan> oem: the way X works though you'll have to have your second monitor plugged in when you start X - or when you boot.
[03:38] <digivore> how do i export my bookmarks in konqueror?   or where are they stored?
[03:38] <dennister> LeeJunFan: I'm asking almost everyone, lol: do you know how to convert a good pl script into a daemon?
[03:39] <LeeJunFan> digivore: just open konqueror, go to bookmarks, edit bookmarks, then the file menu.
[03:39] <oem> hmmm no register tab just: ubuntu, community, support, partners, and wiki
[03:39] <LeeJunFan> dennister: sry, perl is one of the languages I've never gotten into.
[03:40] <intelikey> heh same thing i said.... LeeJunFan
[03:40] <dennister> ok...the change-channel-lirc.pl did become a demon with my first edgy install, but not for 2nd and this, the third...am trying to avoid a possibly same-bad-result the fourth time i try this
[03:42] <LeeJunFan> yeah, I do PHP, Bash, TCL, some C/C++, and a little Python, but every time I tried to force myself to learn perl I felt like rubbing my face with honey and headbunting a fire ant hill.
[03:42] <tamacracker> Does anyone know what's the latest Flash version?
[03:42] <Hawkwind> tamacracker: flash 9 beta
[03:42] <Hawkwind> !flash9 | tamacracker
[03:42] <ubotu> tamacracker: You can download Flash Player 9 Beta here: http://seveas.imbrandon.com/dists/dapper-seveas/custom/ (replace dapper-seveas with edgy-seveas for Edgy) - Official Adobe page at http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer9.html
[03:43] <tamacracker> thank you Hawkwin :D
[03:43] <intelikey> LeeJunFan lol
[03:43] <dennister> well i'm not a programmer at all, just followed a howto each time...to different results
[03:43] <tamacracker> I have this game called dofus, and it uses flash, for some reason it's not loading the game
[03:44] <Hawkwind> tamacracker: If you're using flash 9 it's possible the game isn't compatible with flash 9
[03:45] <h3sp4wn> dennister: So it has been run as a daemon before ?
[03:45] <intelikey> how many flasher can one pinguin take ?
[03:45] <h3sp4wn> dennister: So you don't actually need to modify a script you have written ?
[03:45] <tamacracker> naw i dont even have 9
[03:45] <tamacracker> but just in case, what's the command in order to see the version of the flash?
[03:46] <dragonfly7> OK, it is still not working. Does anyone know how to manually force to GTK applications to use GTK font settings instead of KDE settings. I can't fix it in the system settings for some reason, and as a result all fonts look horrible right now. My eyes are starting to hurt from reading them.
[03:47] <dennister> h3sp4wn: i don't need to modify it, i don't think...it became a daemon without anything from me in the first edgy installation, but not 2nd or 3rd installations
[03:48] <h3sp4wn> dennister: What package is it part of ?
[03:48] <dennister> i got it from a wget download: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Edgy_External_Channel_Changer
[03:48] <h3sp4wn> and you made it executable ?
[03:49] <intelikey> hmmm i should prolly reload my system.... /usr dates back to  Oct  3   that's ancient...
[03:49] <dennister> no i didn't
[03:49] <ironfroggy> ok im at a loss. i cant get my box to boot from the CD-ROM. whats my checklist of faultpoints? ive checked the bios, the cables, the disc, the ISO, so what else is there?
[03:49] <dennister> the howto didn't say anything about that
[03:49] <intelikey> chmod that puppy
[03:50] <intelikey> ironfroggy drop another bootable disk in...
[03:50] <intelikey> if you have one.
[03:50] <ironfroggy> i dont
[03:51] <intelikey> knoppix windows nothing ?
[03:51] <ironfroggy> but i can verift the disc is bootable. it works in any other box.
[03:51] <h3sp4wn> ironfroggy: try netbooting
[03:51] <Omnifrog> anyone in here a proponent of fair use rights
[03:51] <ironfroggy> holy crap
[03:51] <ironfroggy> i hate BIOS
[03:51] <LeeJunFan> ironfroggy: how old is the CD-ROM drive?
[03:51] <intelikey> Omnifrog i'm an open sourcer
[03:51] <ironfroggy> it had a feature to disable or enable each device for booting, but absolutely no indication of its current state!
[03:52] <ironfroggy> so i had to go in and just flip things once, reboot, test, and try again until it was configured right.
[03:52] <intelikey> ironfroggy and they called that a bios.....
[03:52] <Omnifrog> i too am an advocate of OSS, but i was asking about faair use rights
[03:52] <dennister> h3sp4wn: do i need to make it into an executable? if so, how? and does that make it a daemon?
[03:52] <ironfroggy> intelikey: i thought my hardware was dying or something!
[03:53] <dennister> with a PID and all that...
[03:53] <dragonfly8> Well, whatever was broken was fixed by enabling anti-aliasing.
[03:53] <h3sp4wn> dennister: According to that howto it doesn't need to be a daemon (in a traditional sense anyway)
[03:53] <intelikey> ironfroggy hmmmm.  what bios is that ?
[03:54] <ironfroggy> intelikey: not sure. whatever is common on few-year-old HP Pavilions
[03:54] <dennister> well, in the mythbackend it just starts and exits "without errors"...i need it to stay up, just like the lirc's irblaster, and the blaster sends the signal to the STB
[03:54] <intelikey> mostly pheonix here and i've never seen anything that made you set blindly...
[03:54] <h3sp4wn> dennister: That should be setup as the change channel script
[03:55] <intelikey> hp  hmmm  ami bios ?
[03:56] <ironfroggy> dunno
[03:56] <dennister> i have the correct file listed in the right place in mythtv-setup...it's called change-channel-lirc.pl
[03:56] <dennister> lol...i know it off by heart
[03:56] <ironfroggy> but now i cant seem to actuall boot the live CD. i get to the first menu, and it loads the kernel but never gets passed a blinking cursor.
[03:56] <ironfroggy> im doomed
[03:57] <h3sp4wn> dennister: sudo chmod +x /usr/local/bin/change-channel-lirc.pl
[03:58] <dennister> it should be/spawn a change-channel-lirc.pid, but it doesn't ...ok
[03:59] <ironfroggy> someone save me before i just throw my box down the staircase.
[03:59] <h3sp4wn> and you edited /etc/lirc/lircd.conf
[03:59] <ironfroggy> how do i diagnose a blinking cursor?
[04:00] <dennister> h3sp4wn: i got three resolving chmod...failed: name or service not known
[04:00] <intelikey> i wonder why i don't have an nvram device node....   anyone  ls -l /dev/nvram and tell me the major and minor numbers for it. i'll just make one...   ?
[04:00] <dennister> h3sp4wn: yes, i edited the lircd.conf file
[04:00] <LeeJunFan> ironfroggy: you said it loads the kernel? how far into that does it get? can you hit ctrl-alt-Fn keys to change consoles or did it not get to init yet?
[04:01] <h3sp4wn> intelikey: what are you using nvram for ?
[04:01] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: 10 144
[04:01] <intelikey> ty LeeJunFan
[04:01] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: and it's a c :)
[04:01] <intelikey> yeah i knew that.
[04:01] <ironfroggy> LeeJunFan: no it doesnt seem to get to init
[04:02] <dennister> !pastebin
[04:02] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[04:02] <LeeJunFan> ironfroggy: you said that disc boots on other machines? did it boot all the way or didn't you let it get that far?
[04:02] <ironfroggy> LeeJunFan: yes it was fine on any other box
[04:03] <LeeJunFan> ironfroggy: when it boots try extra options and try adding the option noapic to the kernel params line.
[04:03] <dennister> h3sp4wn: hold on, i see an error i made with ur chmod command, did it again with no errors this time
[04:03] <LeeJunFan> ironfroggy: maye remove quiet and splash too so you can actually see what it's doing.
[04:03] <ironfroggy> i dunno if it helps, but i cant even do the CD check. it wont even boot that.
[04:05] <h3sp4wn> dennister: Have you tried just using the real myth tv documentation (that documentation doesn't explain anything and to me looks useless) try a debian or even gentoo howto and you may get some more detail
[04:05] <ironfroggy> hmmm i think i accidentally switched the cables when i was troubleshooting this and its trying to mount a broken IDE i have in the box.
[04:05] <ironfroggy> the broken hdd is in there because these things are so difficult to get any drives in or out of i dont have the two hours it would take to disassemble the entire case to remove it.
[04:06] <dennister> k, will look at those howtos, but superm1's has gotten me 95% of the way through...am recording, watching, doing almost everything...just have to use these workarounds that I don't want to have to use anymore
[04:07] <LeeJunFan> ironfroggy: that could be it if it's probing for devices and hit's one that's damaged. Just unplug the IDE and leave it.
[04:07] <ironfroggy> LeeJunFan: will do
[04:11] <walla> does any know how to set default settings in the alsamixer?
[04:11] <ubuntu> slm
[04:11] <intelikey> there is an od hd and hexdump   i wonder why there isn't a bindump ???
[04:12] <intelikey> walla sudo alsactl store   maybe ?
[04:12] <UbuntuDestroyedM> sudo iyi mis
[04:12] <UbuntuDestroyedM> vallah sudo get amcik update
[04:13] <walla> i guess we'll find out, sometimes when i reload xine or amarok, etc. i'll have a completely different setup than the last time i ran media
[04:13] <intelikey> walla i'm not pormissing you anything there....
[04:15] <ironfroggy> OK, somehow im getting the exact same errors no matter which harddrive i disconnect. bad sectors and then a page fault.
[04:15] <intelikey> ziney  and  A-mar-o-k  i mess not with...
[04:15] <crazy_bus> I'm using Devede now.  But for some reason it's really slow.  Is there anyway to speed it up?
[04:16] <Hawkwind> crazy_bus: devede is certainly a lot faster than tovid, which is about the only other choice
[04:16] <intelikey> ironfroggy set hdd perams to auto in the bios.
[04:16] <intelikey> ?
[04:16] <ironfroggy> ok
[04:17] <ironfroggy> wait. crap.
[04:17] <ironfroggy> hdc is my cdrom.
[04:17] <ironfroggy> and thats the one getting the errors.
[04:17] <ironfroggy> hdc is the secondary master, right?
[04:17] <intelikey> set them all to auto if possable
[04:17] <intelikey> hdc is the secondary master,
[04:18] <ironfroggy> so bad sector errors off the CDROM aint good huh?
[04:19] <intelikey> still sounds like confused bios...
[04:19] <ironfroggy> why?
[04:19] <intelikey> sounds like the bios is trying to set numbers of heads and cylenders for the dvice.
[04:20] <intelikey> can't do that with a cd
[04:20] <ironfroggy> anything i can do about it
[04:20] <Cade> hey
[04:20] <Cade> I just installed flash9
[04:20] <Cade> in Firefox there was a way for me to be able to use flash videos in 16depth
[04:20] <intelikey> set to auto detect
[04:20] <Cade> is there a qay to do this in Konqueror?
[04:20] <Cade> way*
[04:20] <ironfroggy> it already is on auto
[04:21] <dragonfly8> Is there a way to force GTK apps to use GTK font styles manually? For some reason, it wont work in system settings.
[04:22] <h3sp4wn> gtk or gtk2 ?
[04:22] <h3sp4wn> include "/usr/share/themes/Xfce/gtk-2.0/gtk2rc"
[04:22] <h3sp4wn> gtk-theme-name="Xfce"
[04:22] <Cade> is there a way to watch Flash9-stuff in 16depth in Konqueror?
[04:23] <intelikey> ironfroggy also if the jumpers are not right on the device   i.e. set to slave and there is only one device... or set to master and another device set the same....   you get all these happy go lucky errors from bios ....
[04:23] <h3sp4wn> dragonfly8: (that is what I use to force my gtk apps to use that theme) .gtkrc-2.0
[04:24] <dragonfly8> h3sp4wn: I am not sure. All I know is that in system settings, I selected something in system settings that is forcing me to use anti-aliasing, which makes fonts blurry, and hurts my eyes.
[04:25] <h3sp4wn> have a look in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 that is probably what it changes
[04:25] <intelikey>  /usr/bin/kfontinst
[04:26] <intelikey>  /usr/bin/kfontview
[04:26] <intelikey>  /usr/bin/xfontsel
[04:27] <intelikey> idk i thought one of those might be a shortcut dragonfly8
[04:27] <william> HI
[04:28] <dragonfly8> All it has is style is "user font" and the theme name is Qt. I need a way to make GTK apps use that theme, instead of KDE font themes.
[04:29] <Cade> is there a way to watch Flash9-stuff in 16depth in Konqueror?
[04:32] <ironfroggy> intelikey: the jumpers must be right. ive been using this box for months with the same hardware settings.
[04:34] <intelikey> and cable pluged the same way
[04:34] <ironfroggy> yup
[04:34] <intelikey> the capital of California is C isn't it ?
[04:34] <ironfroggy> yup
[04:35] <JabberWokky> intelikey: It's Sacramento, the Native American term for "Land of the Sacred Mint".
[04:36] <ironfroggy> while im waiting for the alternative CD to burn and try that, ill ask something different for an unrelated project
[04:36] <JabberWokky> Howdy, all... is there an app that installs a working OS installation to a USB drive?  I.e., I launch it and say "Install Server Edition (or Kubuntu) on /dev/sdb2"?
[04:36] <ironfroggy> is it very difficult to configure a SATA card with two drives in a RAID? ive never done it before.
[04:36] <intelikey> tried to call 911 but couldn't find the 11 button...
[04:37] <Cade> is there a way to watch Flash9-stuff in 16depth in Konqueror?
[04:37] <bmind> .
[04:39] <JabberWokky> There's plenty about Breezy and multi-step "do this and that and alter the install init image" pages, but nothing about Edgy... is there an easier way nowadays to install to a USB drive from a working installation?
[04:40] <ironfroggy> would it be possible, or has anyone already done this: create a image that can be copied directly to a harddrive as an installation ready to boot and configure?
[04:41] <intelikey> ironfroggy you'd have an extreemly generic setup.
[04:41] <JabberWokky> ironfroggy: Yes, I just did that.
[04:41] <intelikey> almost as bad as ubuntu
[04:41] <intelikey> oh sorry.
[04:42] <JabberWokky> ironfroggy: I used dd_rescue to nab an image of a dying disc, moved it over to a fresh hard drive, and dropped it in a new system.  Worked fine.
[04:43] <ironfroggy> i dont have an extra harddrive sadly
[04:44] <JabberWokky> ironfroggy: You don't really need one *if* you have free space euqal to the drive image.
[04:44] <JabberWokky> ironfroggy: What exactly are you trying to do?
[04:45] <ironfroggy> JabberWokky: my boot records are messed up and im trying to repair them but i cant get a liveCD to actually work properly
[04:45] <keith> I installed Edgy fresh on my Desktop this morning, and I got sound out of my 5.1 card, worked great. I rebooted, now it's showing my onboard sound as primary (and it's even disabled in BIOS). How can I make my sound go back out of my Sound Blaster?
[04:45] <JabberWokky> Ah!  Wait, you're looking to copy over the install disk image and then run that?
[04:46] <ironfroggy> no that question was just hypothetical while i waited for another liveCD to burn
[04:47] <JabberWokky> Hehehe... I'm in a very similar situation.  Libretto 110CT.  The floppy is propietary, the CD-ROM has no drivers... I took out the hard drive, popped it in an enclosure and repaired it (well, did the swap I mentioned above).
[04:47] <ironfroggy> i am interested in some kind "image based install" tho
[04:47] <ironfroggy> ok i cant get the kubuntu liveCD to work on this box. im gonna see if i can use my old gentoo liveCD to chroot in and fix the lilo records.
[04:48] <JabberWokky> It works, I've done it before... with kubuntu specifically.  I just had a friend do it as well a couple months ago.
[04:49] <ironfroggy> what does the error "FATAL: kernel too old" mean when i try to chroot?
[04:51] <intelikey> i'd say a 2.0 or older kernel maybe ?    uname -r
[04:51] <ironfroggy> no its a 2.4 kernel
[04:51] <ironfroggy> the liveCD that is
[04:51] <ironfroggy> is that whats relevent?
[04:52] <intelikey> yeah but i didn't know the system calls changed from 2.4 to 2.6    in a bit when i shut down i'll boot a 2.4 and test that.
[04:57] <soulrider> hey everyone
[04:59] <soulrider> anyone here.......... ?
[04:59] <zimeng> ....
[04:59] <soulrider> hi :)
[04:59] <soulrider> maybe you can help me
[04:59] <zimeng> ?
[04:59] <soulrider> im gonna give kubuntu to ym friend, but he doesnt have net access
[04:59] <soulrider> so i wanna know if theres a way i can dl stuff from the repos and give it to me
[04:59] <zimeng> *dsl or lan
[04:59] <soulrider> but downlaod the dependencies too
[05:00] <unix_infidel> soulrider: man apt-get
[05:00] <soulrider> and make it so that he can install everything in order
[05:00] <unix_infidel> or select adept from the KMenu
[05:00] <soulrider> i know....
[05:00] <soulrider> but he doesnt ahve internet access
[05:00] <unix_infidel> soulrider: if he has enough space, he can have his own local repo on lan.
[05:00] <zimeng> adsl or lan?
[05:01] <soulrider> well, i need to give hte packages to him
[05:01] <soulrider> and he doesnt ahve too much space
[05:01] <unix_infidel> soulrider: like i said, many companies sync with their respective distro's servers so they can update locally.
[05:02] <unix_infidel> and the techs sometimes keep 3rd party repos locally on the networks.
[05:02] <unix_infidel> its not that hard.
[05:02] <soulrider> well, how can i do it ?
[05:02] <soulrider> i mean, i just need to give him java, build essential and maybe some other stuff
[05:02] <unix_infidel> soulrider: just make sure you have enough space first.
[05:02] <soulrider> thats the thing, im gonna have to give it to him with my USB drive
[05:03] <keith> How can I tell KDE what sound card to output to?
[05:03] <soulrider> so im pretty limited
[05:03] <ryanpg> hi all... I'm having a hard time finding out where to download the live cd? URL anyone?
[05:04] <soulrider> where to or where from ?
[05:04] <ryanpg> soulrider I'm in the USA but I can't find where to download it from i.e. ftp server
[05:05] <keith> http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php -- Under CD, pick a mirror, you most likely want the "CD Image for desktop and laptop PCs"
[05:05] <ryanpg> keith ty, that's a bootable "live" cd?
[05:05] <zimeng> http://ubuntu-releases.cs.umn.edu//kubuntu/6.10
[05:05] <keith> It's both the live and the intstaller
[05:05] <DarkoBGD> can anyone help
[05:05] <DarkoBGD> ?
[05:05] <soulrider> yes
[05:05] <DarkoBGD> i have a prob
[05:05] <soulrider> you can install from live
[05:05] <DarkoBGD> when i want to log on
[05:05] <soulrider> whats the prob DarkoBGD
[05:06] <DarkoBGD> it just get me back to login meny
[05:06] <DarkoBGD> no loading interface
[05:06] <DarkoBGD> just backgrouind
[05:06] <soulrider> =/
[05:06] <DarkoBGD> so i am now in safe mode
[05:06] <keith> Try pressing Alt + F2 and running the kicker command
[05:06] <keith> If that works, run the kdesktop command as well
[05:06] <keith> It's possible your session was saved with those closed
[05:07] <ryanpg> ok... sorry to be so obsessive but http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/edgy/kubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso will contain a live file system so I don't have to install it to run it?
[05:07] <DarkoBGD> ok ill try i will let ya know
[05:07] <soulrider> ryanpg: downlaod and burn it
[05:07] <keith> ryanpg: Correct.  However, if you _do_ choose to install, there is an icon on the desktop for you to
[05:07] <soulrider> when you put it on
[05:07] <soulrider> youll be in KDE
[05:07] <soulrider> but you can install it from there
[05:08] <ryanpg> soulrider and keith ok thanks a ton :) does it install/use the restricted modules by default? I have a madwifi adapter
[05:08] <intelikey> Alt + F2 to run the kdesktop command ???  what would be reading the hotkey ?
[05:08] <ryanpg> eh... nm I'll figure it out once I run it
[05:08] <DarkoBGD> when i choose kde interface and when i enter my pass
[05:08] <ryanpg> thanks again
[05:08] <soulrider> no [rpbs
[05:08] -Mez:#kubuntu- The Class on gpg encryption is about to start in #ubuntu-classroom, please take your seats
[05:08] <soulrider> if you need more help
[05:08] <soulrider> just come
[05:08] <DarkoBGD> it just get me back to login screen
[05:09] <intelikey> i gotta see this......
[05:09] <cam> I git my issue fix...
[05:09] <cam> *got
[05:09] <unix_infidel> LOL, someone finally took my advice on a classroom type channel :P
[05:09] <unix_infidel> i cant believe it...
[05:10] <keith> How can I tell KDE what sound card to output to?  I have onboard and a SB Live, and it won't output to the SB, even though onboard is disabled in BIOS itself..
[05:11] <intelikey> !alsa
[05:11] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems and http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin
[05:11] <Dr_willis> was it disabled when you installed kubuntu?
[05:11] <ironfroggy> how can i fix "No boot signature in partition"?
[05:11] <keith> Dr_willis Yes
[05:11] <Dr_willis> keith,  thats odd. then.
[05:12] <intelikey> ironfroggy cfdisk
[05:12] <keith> It worked fine first boot, after a reboot, it found hte onboard and now outputs to it =/
[05:12] <ironfroggy> intelikey: wont that loose any partitions i have currently? i can mount the partitions just fine.
[05:12] <Dr_willis> double check - make sure its disabled in the bios.
[05:13] <keith> I quadrupal checked that
[05:13] <intelikey> no  just set the one active that needs a boot sig write and exit
[05:13] <crippledsmurf> hi
[05:13] <keith> I even reenabled, then rebooted and disabled again
[05:15] <Dr_willis> i had some odd issues ages ago with sound blaster cards. if i booted to windows, then rebooted to linux, then linux couldent set up the sound card right. If i powered up and booted straight to linux - the card would work fine.
[05:15] <ironfroggy> intelikey: there is only one partition and its marked bootable
[05:16] <intelikey> ironfroggy what gave the  "No boot signature in partition" ?
[05:16] <ironfroggy> bios when i try to boot
[05:16] <keith> I'd still expect there would be a way to send audio to the SB.. as KMixer can change volumes and such of both
[05:16] <ironfroggy> i get that and then a standard No OS error
[05:17] -Mez:#kubuntu- Class is in Session. Todays Class:  GPG/PGP Encryption, signing, and usage. Join #ubuntu-classroom and start learning
[05:18] <crippledsmurf> i am kinda new to linux, i have used a few other distros  before, so i am comfortable, one thing that seams to vary from distro to distro is thhe location where u r supposed to install software to
[05:18] <Dr_willis> crippledsmurf,  huh?  i always noticed it being very similer.
[05:18] <soulrider> crippledsmurf: you can use apt-get to automatically install
[05:18] <intelikey> ironfroggy if that a linux installation  yeah i would guess so.  grub or lilo will have to be installed in the mbr there.
[05:18] <Dr_willis> the package managers install the stuff where it should go. :)
[05:19] <soulrider> or when you build form source, you can make a deb package. It will automatically install,a nd will be easy to remove too
[05:19] <Dr_willis> or as a user you can always just keep your own stuff in /home/whatever/bin
[05:19] <crippledsmurf> if ur building something from source, u have 2 decide where to puut it
[05:19] <keith> sudo aptitude install checkinstall
[05:19] <soulrider> what kubuntu needs is a cool background for grub :P
[05:19] <keith> Use checkinstall instead of make install when compiling
[05:19] <soulrider> crippledsmurf: you can make a deb
[05:19] <soulrider> and it will install automatically where it should go
[05:20] <dennister> well the dearth of info, even on debian/gentoo/mythtv howtos, on STB's is still amazing
[05:20] <archangel_> is there a way to program my keyboard with linux?
[05:20] <Dr_willis> archangel_,  care to clarify that.
[05:20] <ironfroggy> intelikey: how can i make sure the MBR is correct then?
[05:20] <dennister> but i did fix the cdrecord...scanbus error
[05:20] <crippledsmurf> good point, id often thaught of making a deb, il google that now
[05:20] <intelikey> ironfroggy it's not or you wouldn't get that message.
[05:21] <keith> crippledsmurf: Use checkinstall, it will make the deb and install it.  Use checkinstall instead of "make install" when compiling
[05:21] <soulrider> crippledsmurf: install the buiuld-essential package
[05:21] <soulrider> and when you compile
[05:21] <soulrider> you go
[05:21] <keith> You can install checkinstall by running: sudo aptitude install checkinstall
[05:21] <soulrider> ./configre
[05:21] <soulrider> make
[05:21] <soulrider> and then checkinstall
[05:21] <soulrider> and thats it, you got a deb ready
[05:21] <ubuntu> hey guys... how can i reinstall grub?
[05:21] <crippledsmurf> awesome
[05:21] <DaSkreech> lnxkde: Sup?
[05:21] <Dr_willis> and some times it even works! :)
[05:21] <DaSkreech> !grub
[05:21] <Dr_willis> !grub
[05:21] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:21] <keith> *lol*
[05:21] <archangel_> I upgraded my wireless keyboard and mouse to the new 5000 series (M$)
[05:21] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: I win
[05:22] <Dr_willis> i won.. you were slow.
[05:22] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:22] <archangel_> it rocks, at least the looks do
[05:22] <Dr_willis> 1..2...3.. Redlight!
[05:22] <Dr_willis> :0
[05:22] <ubuntu> grub or lilo, the most simple way
[05:22] <DaSkreech> dang on My screen I came out first
[05:22] <intelikey> Dr_willis yeah that's the luck i had with it too....
[05:22] <Dr_willis> boot live/rescue cd,, chroot to the installed system, run 'update-grub'
[05:22] <lnxkde> DaSkreech: all nice here testing kickoff on edgy :) u>
[05:22] <keith> Skreech won on my screen =P
[05:22] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:22] <archangel_> the mouse works better with linux than the previous version did
[05:22] <DaSkreech> lnxkde: There is a package for it?
[05:23] <soulrider> hey Dr_willis, im gonna give kubuntu to my friend, but he doesnt have net access
[05:23] <ironfroggy> intelikey: i know the MBR isnt right, but im not sure how to correct that.
[05:23] <soulrider> do you know how i can downlaod deb packages and their dependencies formt he repos
[05:23] <soulrider> and make him isntall them all
[05:23] <lnxkde> DaSkreech: yeah
[05:23] <soulrider> but with no problems
[05:23] <Dr_willis> soulrider,  theres a program/featuer of apt to do that.. ive never used it.
[05:23] <Dr_willis> apt-zip or somthing
[05:24] <lnxkde> DaSkreech: http://forum.beryl-project.org/topic-4751-1.html
[05:24] <soulrider> the thing is
[05:24] <soulrider> i want it to install the dependencies, and then the packages
[05:24] <DaSkreech> soulrider: packages.ubuntu.com is helpful
[05:24] <lnxkde> DaSkreech: http://forum.beryl-project.org/attachment.php?item=2728
[05:24] <soulrider> it wont work the other way round right ?
[05:24] <ubuntu> =(
[05:24] <archangel_> however I wold like to use the calculator butten along with the internet/ mail, calander,messenger, docs, volume favs,play, pause, the list goes on
[05:24] <Dr_willis> huh?  just install them all  at the same time. :)
[05:24] <DaSkreech> soulrider: It will as long as you hve both in the folder /var/cache/apt/archives
[05:24] <soulrider> ahh good :)
[05:25] <soulrider> ahh
[05:25] <crippledsmurf> i shud probaby learn C, i come from a windows and C# background, ive had a little plat with mono
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[05:25] <Darko> hey guys i made it
[05:25] <soulrider> so i could downlaod th epackages and the deps, give them to him and tell him to put them in that folder
[05:25] <ironfroggy> i tried 'lilo -M /dev/mybootdev' is that right?
[05:25] <Darko> i loged on
[05:25] <archangel_> can I ?
[05:25] <ironfroggy> but it says its skipping boot and map sections.
[05:25] <Darko> some how i changed display adapter
[05:25] <Darko> it's ati
[05:26] <Dr_willis> archangel_,  thers serveral tools out to use the various extra buttons of multimedia keyboards.. (but i dont have one so cant tell ya whats the perferd tools these days)
[05:26] <DaSkreech> soulrider: yup then he could pretend to apt-get thema and he'd be altight
[05:26] <Darko> one more q?
[05:26] <soulrider> great!
[05:26] <soulrider> i managed to convince him to use linux
[05:26] <archangel_> ahh, thank Dr_willis
[05:26] <soulrider> so i wanna make it right
[05:26] <Darko> can anyone tell good net buggy drivers for ati
[05:26] <soulrider> so he doesnt go back to redmond
[05:27] <Darko> i want beryl to run
[05:27] <Darko> with ati 9200 se
[05:27] <Darko> can it be possible ?
[05:27] <crippledsmurf> ive been in linux few days, i have been having windows cravings, i assume they will go away when i get comfortable
[05:28] <DaSkreech> soulrider: MIght want to look at Mint
[05:28] <Darko> now when i start it my screen freezes
[05:28] <DaSkreech> crippledsmurf: I don't remember you in the series
[05:28] <Dr_willis> crippledsmurf,  yep. it pays to learn how things work.. befor making  decisions.. :)
[05:28] <soulrider> mint ?
[05:28] <Dr_willis> I donloaded that Linux Mint the toehr day.
[05:28] <Dr_willis> Its Ubuntu + media codecs and other thangs. :)
[05:28] <dragonfly8> Is there a way to roll back system settings? Like backups of the entire setting file? I messed up my font, and want to change back to yesterday or so.
[05:28] <soulrider> ohh
[05:28] <intelikey> crippledsmurf not likely.   if you are "have been having windows  cravings"  it sign's of a much deeper problem.....
[05:29] <DaSkreech> crippledsmurf: What kind of cravings?
[05:29] <crippledsmurf> thats true, unfortunatly i cant ever go back to windows
[05:29] <archangel_> by the way, I never in a million years thought I would say that Samsung by-passed Viewsonic in visual excellence
[05:29] <DaSkreech> crippledsmurf: What are you craving for?
[05:29] <crippledsmurf> i just miss my IDE
[05:29] <soulrider> crippledsmurf: i know what you mean
[05:29] <soulrider> you feel slow and clumsy in linux
[05:30] <soulrider> i used to feel like that
[05:30] <crippledsmurf> amd the official msn client
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[05:30] <DaSkreech> crippledsmurf: Which IDE?
[05:30] <archangel_> 19" WS is a great thing
[05:30] <archangel_> Samsung
[05:30] <archangel_> of all brands
[05:30] <crippledsmurf> Visual Studio 2005
[05:31] <soulrider> crippledsmurf: ina  couple of days youll satrt to feel more comfortable with linux
[05:31] <soulrider> i know at first it feels weird
[05:31] <soulrider> but believe me, youll get used to it
[05:31] <DaSkreech> crippledsmurf: tried KDevelop?
[05:31] <soulrider> and then see how crappy windows is
[05:31] <crippledsmurf> yeah
[05:32] <crippledsmurf> that will be cool once i learn C
[05:32] <soulrider> i wish linux mint came with KDE
[05:32] <DaSkreech> !ops
[05:32] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind or trappist
[05:32] <ironfroggy> ok i want to try and switch to grub
[05:32] <ironfroggy> but im not sure how to make it work properly
[05:32] <ironfroggy> its telling me my device has no corresponding bios drive
[05:33] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: ?
[05:33] <crippledsmurf> ive decided to ditch C# for a while, i have this feeliing that C or C++ will server me better where linux is concerned
[05:33] <nalioth> DaSkreech: what's up?
[05:33] <DaSkreech> It's ok I think it's been handled
[05:33] <DaSkreech> someone in #ubuntu-classroom was being an ass
[05:34] <DaSkreech> Gave himself an offensive name and then joined and parted to flood the room
[05:34] <intelikey> one thing i reenterate from time to time is, that new linux users spend 10 or more years in windows learning it inside out (and actually know very little about it)  then come to linux and expect to be linux experts     truth is, they have to "unlearn" all they think they know before they can start learning     that is to say   THIS IS NOT WINDOWS !   don't expect it to be.   you have never seen it before don't expect to und
[05:34] <nalioth> DaSkreech: doing the !ops thing in -classroom would be the proper thing
[05:34] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee, nalioth: Thanks for the quick response
[05:35] <DaSkreech> nalioth: can't there is no voice in that room which is why he was using quit/enter messags to spam
[05:35] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: i suspect you might want to ban that tor user...
[05:35] -Mez:#kubuntu- Class is in Session. Todays Class:  GPG/PGP Encryption, signing, and usage. Join #ubuntu-classroom and start learning
[05:35] <intelikey> it's easier on someone that's never seen a computer, to learn linux than it is for a MSCE
[05:35] <DaSkreech> I think that Mez is on it
[05:36] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Well duh :)
[05:36] <Mez> Darko, i believe its sorted
[05:36] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yes, but nalioth can kline
[05:36] <ironfroggy> why would grub say none of my disks have corresponding bios drives?
[05:36] <crippledsmurf> my first ever experience with linux was very scary
[05:36] <ubuntu> pleasee
[05:36] <crippledsmurf> mandrate 7
[05:36] <unix_infidel> Mez: users have voice after session has ended?
[05:36] <soulrider> crippledsmurf: ubuntu isnt hard to learn
[05:36] <crippledsmurf> mandrake*
[05:36] <soulrider> youll lov eit
[05:36] <soulrider> thats comming form someone whos kinda lazy, and mentally slow :P
[05:37] <ubuntu> ive installed windows under another partition and lost grub. How can i get it back?
[05:37] <DaSkreech> !grub
[05:37] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:37] <Mez> unix_infidel, indeed, the classroom will be unmoderated
[05:37] <unix_infidel> Mez: back to the classroom
[05:37] <Mez> unix_infidel, please feel free to /msg me with any issues
[05:37] <unix_infidel> troublemakers.
[05:37] <ubuntu> ive looking under that thing, but i cant do it
[05:37] <ubuntu> im on kubuntu live cd
[05:37] <intelikey> just kline his ip
[05:37] <crippledsmurf> ubuntu is definatly my favorite distro
[05:37] <Hobbsee> Mez: block all of tor
[05:38] <unix_infidel> That's really unfortunate...I'm glad I'm at home though :)
[05:38] <DaSkreech> crippledsmurf: well if you need help with anything ask here
[05:38] <unix_infidel> I've been wanting something like this for a LOONG time now, been talking to quux in ##windows but never got this idea off the ground.
[05:39] <unix_infidel> Maybe we could extend it to a distro independent and even mixed platform classroom.
[05:39] <Mez> Hobbsee, have
[05:40] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Use the section that says booting  from a Live CD
[05:40] <Hobbsee> Mez: yes, i see you have onw
[05:40] <Hobbsee> *now
[05:42] <intelikey> would it work to make the classroom   invite only ?   keep fools from returning ?
[05:42] <Mez> intelikey, no ...
[05:42] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Not a very friendly classroom :)
[05:42] <crippledsmurf> konquerer identifis itself as a mac to gmail
[05:42] <ironfroggy> ok i went through the howto and ran grub, did the root and setup commands, and i just see "GRUB Loading stage2.." but nothing else. any clues?
[05:42] <crippledsmurf> identifies*
[05:43] <intelikey> DaSkreech could be something like open until 2 minutes after start time then   invite only.
[05:43] <ironfroggy> also i cant ctrl+alt+delete from that point. dunno if that is helpful info.
[05:44] <crippledsmurf> hi
[05:44] <DaSkreech> There seems to be a lot of Grub help needed
[05:44] <DaSkreech>  who wants Grub help?
[05:44] <Dr_willis> ubuntu,  may be simpiler to just reinstall.. unless you got the system really tweaked.
[05:44] <ironfroggy> i do!
[05:44] <Dr_willis> theres jut a lot of fundamentals to understand befor you can easially reinstall grub. :)
[05:44] <ironfroggy> ive been crippling my system trying to force it to use LILO on a second harddrive and im tired of dealing with it. trying to finally configure grub properly.
[05:45] <ironfroggy> i get the "fundamentals" and ive used grub before.
[05:45] <Dr_willis> 'boot live cd, chroot to the existing install, run update-grub' is the core of it.
[05:46] <ironfroggy> i am unable to get into a kubuntu liveCD
[05:46] <unix_infidel> intelikey: that really doesnt make sense.
[05:46] <ironfroggy> i have to do it from a gentoo LiveCD, which has grub utilities.
[05:47] <ironfroggy> long story. but its all i have to work with.
[05:47] <intelikey> unix_infidel what did i do now ?
[05:48] <Dr_willis> ironfroggy,  you want to get to a shell on a live cd, and chroot to the existing ubuntu install.
[05:48] <Dr_willis> then you can use the ubntu tools
[05:49] <ironfroggy> chroot will not work
[05:49] <ironfroggy> im in bad shape
[05:49] <Dr_willis> clarify that statement ironfroggy
[05:49] <Dr_willis> what dosent work about it.
[05:49] <intelikey> chroot fails
[05:49] <ironfroggy> "FATAL: kernel too old"
[05:49] <Dr_willis> thats... different.
[05:49] <Dr_willis> that gentoo cd is real old?
[05:49] <intelikey> that's what i thought.
[05:49] <crippledsmurf> how does one go about shutting down the X server
[05:49] <ironfroggy> not real old. 2.4.21 kernel
[05:50] <Dr_willis> 2.4 is very old - compared to the 2.6 series. :)
[05:50] <intelikey> crippledsmurf sudo /etc/init.d/?dm stop
[05:50] <Dr_willis> id have to say track down a newer live cd.. thers some 50mb live cd;s out
[05:50] <intelikey> meh 3 years
[05:50] <intelikey> maybe 4
[05:50] <crippledsmurf> thanks
[05:51] <intelikey> why not just a grub disk ?
[05:51] <ironfroggy> Dr_willis: ive written two new kubuntu discs and they wont boot for some reason
[05:52] <ironfroggy> and im out of blank CDs i think
[05:52] <ironfroggy> that i can find
[05:52] <intelikey> there is an iso for a grub cd.  suposed to boot anything except my system....
[05:52] <DaSkreech> crippledsmurf: Alt+Ctrl+Bkspace is a quick way to restart it
[05:52] <ironfroggy> hmm i tried setup (hd0) and now it doesnt even get past stage 1.5
[05:52] <crippledsmurf> my wirless light is on, cool, windows never used to do that :)
[05:53] <DaSkreech> ironfroggy: What do you mean the kubuntu live cd won't work
[05:53] <ironfroggy> crippledsmurf: seriously? i cant get linux to do it.
[05:53] <ironfroggy> DaSkreech: it gets bad sector errors on the cd device.
[05:53] <ironfroggy> DaSkreech: but only on that one box
[05:53] <ironfroggy> DaSkreech: no other boot CDs i have do that.
[05:53] <soulrider> !archive
[05:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about archive - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:53] <DaSkreech> ironfroggy: Sooo the cd drive is problematic?
[05:54] <crippledsmurf> yeah, ive neveer seen any othrt distor, even other ubuntu versions do it
[05:54] <ironfroggy> never had any other problem.
[05:54] <DaSkreech> soulrider: look at apt-zip
[05:54] <soulrider> !apt-zip
[05:54] <ubotu> apt-zip: Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.15 (edgy), package size 17 kB, installed size 116 kB
[05:54] <soulrider> thanks :)
[05:54] <intelikey> ironfroggy maybe someone is trying to tell you something ?
[05:55] <smaggard> gnome stinks!
[05:55] <DaSkreech> Get a mac?
[05:55] <smaggard> lol jk.. but it does really
[05:55] <ironfroggy> well what about the problem at hand? im doing root (hd0,0) and setup (hd0,0) so shouldnt grub boot properly there?
[05:55] <intelikey> nope can't hear it....  to far away.
[05:55] <ironfroggy> intelikey: but i have been running it for months!
[05:55] <DaSkreech> ironfroggy: what error does chroot fail with?
[05:56] <ironfroggy> "FATAL: kernel too old"
[05:56] <DaSkreech> ha ha :)
[05:56] <smaggard> edgy is ok for me on my desktop, but im waitig for the lappy :D
[05:56] <ironfroggy> i didnt know chroot even cared about kernels
[05:56] <intelikey> hey i'm joking trying to lighten the anxioty ironfroggy
[05:56] <crippledsmurf> the wierd thing tho is that its on, even when im not connected to a wlan, the only explaination i have fir that is that its a power light and not a connection ligt
[05:56] <DaSkreech> it probbaly would
[05:56] <ironfroggy> do i need to do two things with grub, to install a MBR and then the boot records on the partition itself?
[05:57] <smaggard> are you trying to dual boot?
[05:57] <ironfroggy> no
[05:57] <smaggard> hmm
[05:58] <ironfroggy> hmm.. i am seeing "embed /boot/grub/e2fs_stage1_5 (hd0,0)"... failed (this is not fatal) but is that in fact fatal possibly?
[05:58] <ironfroggy> and what would cause that? before the error, it says it has the file.
[05:59] <smaggard> bad kernel maybe?
[05:59] <intelikey> ironfroggy you can mount the partition and the fs is intact  right ?
[05:59] <smaggard> try a genkernel
[06:00] <ironfroggy> intelikey: yes
[06:00] <ironfroggy> the kernel should be fine. besides, its not even been able to get to the kernel yet.
[06:01] <ironfroggy> i am thinking the problem is that i cant do whatever it is grub-install is supposed to do. it says there is no BIOS drive for the device. whats that mean?
[06:01] <DaSkreech> ironfroggy: I would say that since you have a very old Cd it would not be the greatest of ideas to expect wonderful results?
[06:01] <intelikey> i just thought of something.  if you can't chroot maybe you can bring the root to you...    ummm no.  libc differance will kill it.     i was thinking mount the partition on  /   over the top of the running live CD  but i don't think you want that with different libc version  specially not that different.
[06:02] <DaSkreech> he needs a newere CD is the butt of hte matter
[06:02] <DaSkreech> ironfroggy: do you have other computers?
[06:02] <ironfroggy> yeah im here on my laptop
[06:02] <ironfroggy> i cant get a new CD, im out of blanks
[06:03] <intelikey> DaSkreech or just a grub CD  anything to get that system booted.
[06:03] <ironfroggy> what does 'grub-install (hd0,0)' cause a syntax error in bash?
[06:03] <Dr_willis> ironfroggy,  because its a command for the grub shell. not bash
[06:03] <ironfroggy> but grub-install is a command in my path
[06:03] <Dr_willis> i think..
[06:03] <ironfroggy> and i can run it
[06:03] <intelikey> Dr_willis no.
[06:03] <ironfroggy> and it says i can give it a GRUB device name
[06:03] <Dr_willis> it may be wamting a differnt (hd0) then.
[06:04] <Dr_willis> quote it then?
[06:04] <ironfroggy> i can figure out how to quote it
[06:04] <Dr_willis> ' foo '
[06:04] <Dr_willis> actually would you want grub to install to hd0,0? wouldent ya just want hd0 ?
[06:04] <ironfroggy> quotes around (hd0,0) are giving me errors from sed somewhere
[06:04] <ironfroggy> well probably but neither works. bash is doing sometihng weird with the parens
[06:05] <intelikey> but if you install grub from the live with no chroot i don't think it will boot the hd without the cd in the tray to read the files from......
[06:05] <ironfroggy> its just reading them from /boot, right?
[06:05] <intelikey> grub will address /boot/grub  which is on the live atm.
[06:06] <intelikey> it can't find them when you remove the disk.
[06:06] <intelikey>  i think.
[06:06] <ironfroggy> /boot/grub is on the boot partition as well
[06:07] <intelikey> you can have it on a thousand partitions but grub will only read in the one that the system was installed from.
[06:07] <intelikey> correct me if i'm wrong.
[06:07] <Dr_willis> I belive you are correct intelikey
[06:08] <intelikey> (thousand partitions is not possable but you know that.)
[06:08] <Dr_willis> grub is the kind of thing - that it pays to buckle down and read the manual/docs/homepage. :)
[06:08] <Dr_willis> I got 7 hds in this box.. :)
[06:08] <intelikey> still way short of a thousand partitions possable
[06:09] <ironfroggy> i dont get it and ive read the docs all before
[06:09] <ironfroggy> when it boots, shouldnt it read from the partitions its told in the configs?
[06:09] <ironfroggy> from (hd0,0) in this case?
[06:09] <intelikey> what config ?
[06:09] <Dr_willis> ironfroggy,  grub starts up.. and the initial config tells it where to find the menu.lst (or whatever) files from.
[06:09] <intelikey> it will look for the config on the cd
[06:09] <intelikey> which wont be there.
[06:10] <Dr_willis> if it was looking for /boot/ on the cd.. that would NOT be the same as hd0,0
[06:11] <ironfroggy> so how do i tell it to look at hd0,0?
[06:11] <Dr_willis> we are back to the 'you cant chroot' problem aint we?
[06:12] <unix_infidel> Who cant chroot?
[06:12] <bLaZeD> !fonts
[06:12] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto
[06:12] <unix_infidel> :P
[06:12] <ubotu> No fonts in flash? Install msttcorefonts, gsfonts, and gsfonts-x11 , No fonts in mplayer? see !mplayer
[06:12] <ironfroggy> am i missing something? cant i override that and just tell it "use this partition im giving you. dont guess"
[06:13] <intelikey> ok senerio 1     say i had ubuntu linux on hda1 with grub installed there   and  several gig of free space.    i install fc5 on hda2 and grub   now the menu.lst that grub reads will be the one in /dev/hda2 /boot/grub   not the one in /dev/hda1 /boot/grub  even though they both exist.  why ?   simply because the last installation of grub wrote code in the mbr telling where to find the configs so it could boot the system.
[06:14] <Dr_willis> if you can get to the grub menu, and the grub command line. you could (if you knew where stuff was at, and knew what you were doing) install grub over itself that way. :)
[06:14] <ironfroggy> intelikey: ok i get that but couldnt i tell it to use hda1 in that case?
[06:14] <joe__> anyone know how to open a port 12769 so I can use Azureus?
[06:14] <intelikey> now senerio 2 i have two installs on two dirrefent drives both install grub      where will grub look for it's configs      answer the last installs device's /boot/grub     and that is what you are up against ironfroggy
[06:14] <ironfroggy> i am at the grub command line
[06:15] <Dr_willis> grub has a find/completion feature on the tab key to let ya see/locate the correct hdX for the various boot files.
[06:15] <ironfroggy> when i do setup from the grub>, shouldnt it read the config from the root device and use that root device?
[06:15] <joe__> How do I figure out if I have a firewall installed?
[06:15] <intelikey> ironfroggy yes i think you can from the grub prompt  but i'm not a grub expert.
[06:16] <SperMite> anyone in here use any decent dvdrippers?
[06:16] <intelikey> joe__ iptables -L
[06:16] <ironfroggy> i think i need a grub expert
[06:16] <intelikey> ironfroggy might find one in #ubuntu
[06:16] <intelikey> dik
[06:16] <intelikey> idk
[06:16] <intelikey> sorry.
[06:16] <ironfroggy> thanks for all the help i think i will go there and seek new people to bug about this
[06:16] <DaSkreech> !dvdrip
[06:16] <ubotu> dvdrip: perl front end for transcode. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:0.98.1-0.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 718 kB, installed size 2084 kB
[06:17] <intelikey> joe__ prolly have to sudo that.
[06:17] <joe__> intelikey do I type  iptables -L in the terminal
[06:17] <intelikey> yes.  sudo iptables -L
[06:17] <SperMite> I can't get the deinterlacing right on Dvdrip =(
[06:17] <intelikey> if you have a firewall the rules will post if not blank rules lines.
[06:17] <Dr_willis> root (hd0,0)
[06:17] <Dr_willis> setup (hd0)
[06:17] <Dr_willis> quit
[06:17] <Dr_willis> "SHOULD" fix it :)
[06:18] <Hawkwind> SperMite: Try k9copy.  It's very simple and just works
[06:18] <intelikey> assuming hd0 is setup correctly.
[06:18] <Dr_willis> If you want to install GRUB in a certain partition instead of the MBR, you have to alter the setup command so it points to the right partition. For instance, if you want GRUB installed in /dev/hda3, then the command becomes setup (hd0,2)
[06:18] <Dr_willis> rember kids.. grub starts counting at 0 :)
[06:18] <joe__> intelikey it says
[06:18] <intelikey> don't flood.
[06:19] <SperMite> Hawkwind yeah I used it alil bit ago, but for some reason there was alot of noise in the background that sorta annoyed me
[06:19] <intelikey> joe__ don't flood.
[06:19] <joe__> sorry
[06:19] <intelikey> just saying if the output is long don't paste it in here.
[06:20] <ironfroggy> should i have a grub.conf in /boot/grub ?
[06:20] <crippledsmurf> "/proc", is totally cool
[06:20] <intelikey> joe__ is there more to it than three lines of  target     prot opt source               destination
[06:20] <Dr_willis> crippledsmurf,  yep. amusing
[06:21] <joe__> intelikey it has input forward, output what does it mean what do I do to open
[06:21] <intelikey> joe__ if that's all it has you have no firewall.
[06:21] <joe__> listen port 12769
[06:21] <DaSkreech>  crippledsmurf :)
[06:21] <crippledsmurf> i just found /proc/acpi/asus, ok, i know its totally childish to play with one's leds' but i couldnt resist
[06:22] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[06:22] <intelikey> joe__ i've got to go.  but someone else can help you im sure.
[06:22] <intelikey> ironfroggy luck with that.     i well you wish.
[06:23] <joe__> thank intelikey
[06:23] <unix_infidel> To anyone who hasnt already figured out.  There is currently a Session on GPG / Encryption - Signing and Usage going on in #ubuntu-classroom.
[06:23] <bronaugh> uhh question.
[06:24] <bronaugh> Kubuntu 6.10 -- why is unichrome_dri.so not included?
[06:24] <joe__> Anyone, How do I open port 12769.   Azureaus says NAT error
[06:25] <ironfroggy> really does anyone know about grub.conf? why wouldnt i have one?
[06:25] <joe__> and says to check router firewall
[06:25] <unix_infidel> ironfroggy: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:26] <ironfroggy> unix_infidel: they the same thing?
[06:27] <unix_infidel> I figured so.  I've never messed with a grub.conf sorry.
[06:27] <ironfroggy> well grub.conf doesnt exist but grub tries to use it anyway
[06:27] <unix_infidel> Look at the syntax and the options in the default menu.lst if they match your needs then great.
[06:27] <ironfroggy> and giving it menu.lst doesnt seem to make any difference at all
[06:27] <unix_infidel> I have no idea what you're trying to do.
[06:28] <Dr_willis> the devil is in the details.
[06:28] <ironfroggy> install grub
[06:28] <bronaugh> !mp3
[06:28] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:28] <unix_infidel> uhh, you should have grub as per the default install.
[06:28] <Hawkwind> ironfroggy: Grub has always used /boot/grub/menu.lst  There has never been a grub.conf AFAIK
[06:29] <ironfroggy> Hawkwind: so any idea what the /boot/grub/grub.conf is at the end of the install command when i do 'setup (hd0)' at the grub prompt?
[06:29] <Dr_willis> i think some disrtos it does
[06:29] <Dr_willis> I do belive Gentoo does.
[06:29] <Hawkwind> ironfroggy: No idea.  I just popped in when I saw you mention grub.conf
[06:29] <unix_infidel> As far as Ubuntu is concerned its /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:29] <Dr_willis> use menu.lst instead of grub.conf
[06:29] <Hawkwind> Dr_willis: Not even gentoo
[06:29] <crippledsmurf> so does fedora i believe
[06:29] <Dr_willis> I rember SOME disrto using it.. and they even had a link between the 2
[06:29] <Hawkwind> crippledsmurf: FC6 uses menu.lst as well
[06:30] <Hawkwind> Dr_willis: That's just a symlink is all it is.  menu.lst is still there
[06:30] <dennister> hey Hawkwind :)
[06:30] <Hawkwind> dennister: Hey
[06:30] <Dr_willis> Hawkwind,  but i recall there being a movement to start using grub,conf.. but i forget when/where i even saw this... ages ago.
[06:30] <richtoo> hello, all
[06:31] <dennister> i was just about to give up for the night, and here u are :)
[06:31] <Dr_willis> from the gentoo docs i am looking at...------->  Code Listing 4: grub.conf for genkernel users
[06:31] <dennister> scouring the net, different irc channels...no one can help me turn a pl script into a daemon :(
[06:31] <Hawkwind> Dr_willis: Maybe, but menu.lst is still there.  grub.conf is nothing more than a symlink
[06:31] <Hawkwind> dennister: I'm heading to bed, it's nearly midnight
[06:32] <Dr_willis> Hawkwind,  the docs say to make it.. so im thinking that menu.lst is a synmlink :)
[06:32] <ironfroggy> ok this is weird. when i try 'configfile /path/to/configfile' it drops into the grub boot menu and then says "File not found"
[06:32] <dennister> well goodnight then :) and have a great day tomorrow
[06:32] <crippledsmurf> whats the difference between a file with the extention .o (i belive this is a library) and a .so file which i have seen for libs in other distros
[06:32] <Dr_willis> of coruse gentoo dies lots of weird things.
[06:32] <richtoo> does anyone use xmms and know how to fix problems?
[06:32] <dennister> good night all...
[06:32] <Dr_willis> richtoo,  thats sort of vague. :) what problem.
[06:33] <Dr_willis> richtoo,  you are refering to fixing XMMS problems? :)
[06:33] <richtoo> when I try to make xmms double size, it locks up
[06:33] <bronaugh> lol
[06:33] <bronaugh> it's xmms, what do you expect?
[06:33] <bronaugh> if you want something that acts like it, beep-media-player is better.
[06:33] <Hawkwind> richtoo: What do you mean by make it double size ?
[06:33] <richtoo> has graphics of different window, keeps playing
[06:33] <Hawkwind> bronaugh: Personal opinion only
[06:34] <bronaugh> Hawkwind: I ran xmms for enough years.
[06:34] <Hawkwind> bronaugh: I've used xmms for years without a single issue.  It works perfectly
[06:34] <bronaugh> the thing crashes when you look at it the wrong way.
[06:34] <Hawkwind> bronaugh: Maybe for you
[06:34] <bronaugh> particularly when you use any plugins.
[06:34] <richtoo> xmms is usually very small, option is to make it double size
[06:34] <Hawkwind> Again, maybe for you
[06:34] <Hawkwind> richtoo: So don't make it double sized :P
[06:35] <crippledsmurf> ive had no issues with xmms specificky on any distro, but it does remind me a little too much of winamp
[06:35] <richtoo> it is very tiny otherwise
[06:35] <bronaugh> yeah. don't use XMMS is my suggestion.
[06:35] <richtoo> it seems to be the only way to use streamtuner
[06:35] <Hawkwind> richtoo: You can resize it manually
[06:35] <bronaugh> streamtuner is?
[06:35] <Hawkwind> bronaugh: Again, personal choice, let users use what they like please
[06:36] <Hawkwind> richtoo: You can use streamtuner by itself
[06:36] <ironfroggy> anyone know how to specify the config file to grub?
[06:36] <crippledsmurf> we arent stopping them, we r expressing our opinion of what they r using
[06:37] <richtoo> streamtuner needs audio app, when I try others they don't seem to work
[06:37] <Dr_willis> richtoo,  you using glx/berel or any of the otehr fancy X things?
[06:37] <Dr_willis> theres an issue with XMMS and compwiz? or XGL or somthing aint there.. that makes it crash when doublesized.
[06:38] <ironfroggy> or does anyone know why the configfile command seems to bring me to a boot menu from inside the grub prompt?
[06:38] <bronaugh> Hawkwind: it's broken enough that the developers no longer develop it. that should tell you something.
[06:38] <Hawkwind> bronaugh: Again, maybe for YOU
[06:39] <Hawkwind> bronaugh: I've used it for years, and am using it right now, it works perfectly, always has
[06:39] <Dr_willis> configfile command.. Hmm.. never used that one
[06:39] <Hawkwind> bronaugh: Besides, xmms is being developed, hence xmms2 now
[06:39] <bronaugh> Hawkwind: tried xmms2?
[06:39] <richtoo> I just won't double size it, but I thought there might be a fix
[06:39] <bronaugh> it's a backend.
[06:39] <Hawkwind> bronaugh: Yep, it's quite nice actually
[06:39] <bronaugh> it's also a totally new codebase.
[06:39] <bronaugh> and so far as I can tell, there are no frontends that don't suck.
[06:39] <Hawkwind> But I still use xmms, 24/7
[06:40] <richtoo> xmms2?  is it in repositories?
[06:40] <Hawkwind> Personal opinions
[06:40] <Hawkwind> richtoo: No
[06:40] <bronaugh> it's in Debian.
[06:40] <Hawkwind> richtoo: It's still very very beta
[06:40] <Hawkwind> richtoo: There are repos for it though on the xmms2 site
[06:40] <Hawkwind> For Ubuntu even, but they aren't official
[06:41] <DaSkreech> It's been very very beta for about as long as e
[06:41] <Dr_willis> Lifes too short to wait for Official stuff. :)
[06:41] <richtoo> I'll check it out, thanks
[06:41] <Hawkwind> DaSkreech: Hah, not quite that long
[06:48] <richtoo> I looked at xmms2 site, I think installation is beyond my abilities
[06:48] <Hawkwind> richtoo: They have sources for it with debs
[06:48] <Hawkwind> It's as simple as adding the sources to your /etc/apt/sources.list and doing sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install xmms2
[06:56] <Dr_willis> deb http://exodus.xmms.se/debian dapper main
[06:56] <Dr_willis> Hmm no edgy yet. :)
[06:56] <Dr_willis> lets see if it works on edgy.
[06:57] <richtoo> when I tried to add to /etc/apt... it wouldn't let me save
[06:57] <Jucato> richtoo: you need to use sudo/kdesu
[06:58] <richtoo> in terminal?
[06:58] <Dr_willis> Ubuntu 101 :)
[06:58] <Jucato> richtoo: yes. what are you using to edit /etc/apt/souces.list?
[06:58] <richtoo> opened it through konqueror
[06:58] <Hawkwind> You can't do that
[06:58] <Hawkwind> richtoo: kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:59] <Jucato> richtoo: ah. in that case, right-click on sources.list and select Actions -> Edit as Root
[06:59] <Hawkwind> richtoo: Replace kwrite with your editor of choice
[07:04] <Dr_willis> I cant get xmms2 working under edgy.
[07:04] <Dr_willis> not sure whats going on with it.
[07:05] <ironfroggy> ok i have been able to chroot and run update-grub, and i still can not get past stage1.5 so any more ideas anyone?
[07:07] <SperMite> What would be the safest route to upgrading to edgy from dapper?
[07:07] <Hawkwind> !upgrade | SperMite
[07:07] <ubotu> SperMite: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[07:07] <Jucato> dang
[07:07] <Jucato> beat me to it
[07:07] <Hawkwind> SperMite: Have a complete backup
[07:07] <defrysk> SperMite, safest is to backup and do a fresh install
[07:08] <Hawkwind> SperMite: *COMPLETE*
[07:08] <SperMite> =) ok
[07:08] <Hawkwind> Chances are almost guaranteed it'll break
[07:08] <ScarFreewill> how can i mount my ntfs hdd so that a normal user can access it (read only tough) this is how i mount it in fstab atm "/dev/sda1 /mnt/winc ntfs ro,user 0 0" I thought that adding user as a option would help but no...
[07:08] <Hawkwind> I'd definitely do a fresh install if you can
[07:09] <Hawkwind> !ntfs | ScarFreewill
[07:09] <ubotu> ScarFreewill: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions  -  See also !fuse
[07:09] <Dr_willis> ironfroggy, in the past thats happened when the grub is set to look in the wrong place for the config files. root, may be set wrong, for example.. or the drives are off by one "number"
[07:09] <SperMite> So edgys still iffy huh.
[07:10] <Jucato> not really. the upgrade just isn't as smooth as previous upgrades/releases
[07:10] <Dr_willis> ironfroggy,  the root            (hd1,0), is where the location of /boot/ actually is. not the same as root= in the kernel line. (if that makes sence)  :)
[07:10] <richtoo> I got the sources.list changed, but can't update and install because of some time stamp problem
[07:10] <ironfroggy> Dr_willis: i thought it was (hd0,0) ?
[07:11] <Dr_willis> ironfroggy,  thats mine from MY system.. yours may very
[07:11] <Dr_willis> vary ;)
[07:11] <richtoo> I just changed the time this session
[07:11] <ironfroggy> Dr_willis: ok for hda1 root would be (hd0,0)?
[07:11] <Dr_willis> ironfroggy,  what hard drive do you have linux installed to?
[07:11] <Dr_willis> hda1 is 0,0 yes..
[07:11] <Hawkwind> richtoo: Only way I know to fix it, unfortunately is to reboot
[07:11] <ironfroggy> right thats what update-grub said its using
[07:11] <richtoo> I will try logging out and restarting
[07:12] <Dr_willis> grub has some sort of filename completion feature that can help ya find what its seeing/looking for,
[07:12] <Steven_M> does kde have a gui for cvs?
[07:12] <ironfroggy> Dr_willis: thats what i used
[07:12] <Dr_willis> i recall some cvs icons in konqueror befor...
[07:13] <Dr_willis> not that i knew how to use them. :)
[07:13] <abdulla> hello gentel men regarding for lunix track back , insttal requesting slax what i have to type in slax ?
[07:13] <Dr_willis> Ugh.. check the SLAX homepage? they mention the proper command.
[07:15] <ScarFreewill> Hawkwind, thx got it working now :)
[07:24] <DaSkreech> Is there a KDE version to write?
[07:24] <abdulla> slax command plzzz
[07:24] <DaSkreech> or talk at least?
[07:25] <DaSkreech> !ktalk
[07:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ktalk - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:25] <DaSkreech> !info ktalk
[07:25] <ubotu> Package ktalk does not exist in any distro I know
[07:25] <DaSkreech> !info ktalkd
[07:25] <ubotu> ktalkd: talk daemon for KDE. In component universe, is extra. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 142 kB, installed size 464 kB
[07:25] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[07:26] <Jucato> DaSkreech: do a /msg ubuto if you need to search for packages or info
[07:26] <Steven_M> you know how edgy has dosbox 0.65 and Dapper 0.63, would I be able to install dosbox 0.65 on Dapper if I got it from cvs?
[07:26] <Jucato> er.. ubotu I mean
[07:26] <Jucato> DaSkreech: you can also try /msg ubotu find talk
[07:26] <Dr_willis> dosbox is great for those old dos games. :)
[07:26] <Dr_willis> Warlords lives again!
[07:26] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:27] <bronaugh> yeah, maybe dosbox'll actually run fullscreen on my new box... hmm.
[07:27] <defrysk> Steven_M, get the sources repo from edgy , sudo apt-get build-dep <package> sudo apt-source -b <package>
[07:27] <DaSkreech> I know talk is there but a) talk requires packages that don't exist in the repos anymore and b) i want to find out if there is any kind of messaging capabilty within the GUI
[07:27] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: Man I loved Warlords
[07:28] <defrysk> Steven_M, and have your fingers crossed
[07:28] <DaSkreech> Why isnt there an open source Warlords?
[07:30] <neonempyr> wpa2 manager for kde?
[07:34] <Jasey> hi there. how can i go ahead and stop fsck from checking my filesystems at boot after theyre mounted? thankya kindly in advance :)
[07:41] <e3> How do I get Gmail Notifier in Kubuntu?
[07:42] <Jasey> theres a program called kcheckgmail you can use
[07:42] <Jucato> !kcheckgmail
[07:42] <ubotu> kcheckgmail: KDE systray application to check GMail accounts. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5.5-1.1 (edgy), package size 96 kB, installed size 580 kB
[07:43] <Jasey> woo hoo
[07:43] <e3> uhm.... i found something and typed it in terminal: apt-get install checkgmail
[07:44] <e3> it did a bunch of terminal-like install stuff but i dont see any new programs
[07:44] <Jasey> kcheckgmail
[07:44] <Jasey> with a k in the front
[07:47] <e3> nice, thanks! the command that worked was:          sudo apt-get install kcheckgmail
[07:47] <e3> woohoo!
[07:49] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:50] <Jasey> :D
[07:50] <e3> My next question.... is.... How... do i get a Weather aplet in the menu bar at the top of the screen?
[07:59] <honk> XOrg can't seem to find/load my fglrx_dri.so module, but I'm pretty sure i linked the directory right when I installed fglrx
[08:00] <honk> (sudo ln -s /usr/lib/dri /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri)
[08:00] <honk> ls /usr/lib/xorg/modules/dri shows all of the SO's including fglrx_dri.so
[08:00] <honk> did I miss something?
[08:01] <DaSkreech> e3: Add a panel Right click and add Weather
[08:02] <DaSkreech> Add applet then weather
[08:02] <Jucato> (presuming KWeather in intalled)
[08:04] <klerfayt> what package will let me extract rpm content?
[08:04] <DaSkreech> Oh.. That's not installed?
[08:04] <DaSkreech> ark?
[08:04] <Rawrness> !alien
[08:04] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[08:04] <DaSkreech> e3: sudo apt-get install kweather
[08:05] <Rawrness> Do i win?
[08:05] <DaSkreech> Depends on what klerfayt means by extract
[08:05] <klerfayt> DaSkreech: I have ark; it doesn't support rpm
[08:05] <honk> That's right...Ice......Man.......I AM dangerous.
[08:05] <honk> You can be my wingman anytime
[08:05] <honk> *chomp*
[08:06] <Rawrness> Good point thus the insurity of victory
[08:06] <DaSkreech> ah that sucks :)
[08:07] <Rawrness> My legs are sore.....
[08:07] <klerfayt> does "alien" extract rpms?
[08:07] <DaSkreech> it converts them to .deb
[08:07] <Rawrness> I stay away from rpms....
[08:08] <klerfayt> Rawrness: I just want to peek inside rpm; it isn't that bad
[08:09] <Rawrness> I see...
[08:09] <e3> i did:   sudo apt-get install kweather         but where did it installe to????
[08:10] <Steven_M> defrysk: I don't really understand why are two commands required and what does each one do?
[08:11] <klerfayt> e3: you right-click in panel and choose "add applet"
[08:13] <DaSkreech> klerfayt: You could install rpm then extract it and --purge
[08:14] <e3> Hmm. I cant get the weather program to work. It's running now, but its not working.
[08:14] <klerfayt> e3: lol; kweather is buggy
[08:15] <klerfayt> e3: select  your location and remove it from panel
[08:15] <klerfayt> e3: then add again; repeat until it workds
[08:15] <e3> lol ok
[08:15] <klerfayt> DaSkreech: I'm sure ark could handle rpm
[08:16] <Steven_M> defrysk: are you still there?
[08:16] <DaSkreech> as was I but since you say it can't
[08:18] <klerfayt> DaSkreech: I'm sure this is someone's rage against evil rpm
[08:18] <DaSkreech> ha ha :)
[08:19] <e3> I get the weather error "Requested Station Does Not Exist"
[08:20] <klerfayt> e3: then remove it and add again
[08:21] <klerfayt> e3: if it doesn't help after 3 times your last hope is to log out :D
[08:21] <e3> well i tried it like 6 times so yeah i think i'll do that : p
[08:21] <klerfayt> e3: you could also try adding another location
[08:22] <ZeeO> hey guys how his is all of kubuntus package system i'm thinking of mirroring it at home seeing how i have installed 6.10 on like 10 dif systems in the last week
[08:22] <ZeeO> from the same network i can just pull from inside my lan
[08:22] <ZeeO> like 30 40 gigs?
[08:22] <ZeeO> less more?
[08:23] <Jack_Friday> Hi all
[09:03] <Jazon> hello everyone
[09:04] <Voker57> hi
[09:09] <bingnet922> I'd love to know how to start customizing my kubuntu desktop. Where do I change themes, sounds, etc...?
[09:09] <RenegadeX> hi I've got a question - I'm thinking of trying linux for the first time - I have an old  laptop that has ACPI issues with WinXP (worked fine in Win98), and it's really slow. Tthe Kubuntu  site says Kubuntu 6.06.1 LTS Desktop CD can load it from the CD -- it doesn't however say that 6.10 can. Can it?
[09:09] <defrysk> bingnet922, systemsettings , continue from there
[09:10] <klerfayt> RenegadeX: 6.10 desktop cd can also run from cd
[09:10] <defrysk> bingnet922, some prefere the other frontend named kcontrol , wich can be opened in your cli
[09:10] <bingnet922> RenegadeX: yes, dapper (6.06) and edgy (6.10) both come as a livecd. But use dapper because it is more stable. Edgy is...edgy (a dev release)
[09:10] <defrysk> is it ?
[09:11] <defrysk> edgy is like a rock here
[09:11] <defrysk> time for coffee , later all
[09:11] <bingnet922> defrysk: great! But it is still not an LTS release, which is the preferred build for new users.
[09:13] <RenegadeX> Thanks - 1 more question: I know pretty much nothing about Linux but was just doing some reading and came across 'Accelerated Knoppix' - it boasts a fast bootup time. The laptop i want to install on is a PIII-600 w 256MB ram and is dead slow in XP. Anyone know how A-Knoppix compares to Kubuntu for speed on slow systems?
[09:14] <Gr1ncheux> hello there
[09:14] <Voker57> hi
[09:15] <bingnet922> RenegadeX: KDE, gnome, xfce, x would be the descending order of required system resource overhead for the most readily available desktop managers.
[09:15] <Gr1ncheux> i would like to know how to hide icons of partitions of hard drive on my desktop because i have to many of them
[09:15] <Gr1ncheux> somebody knows how to ?
[09:15] <Jazon> wow do i have two starange problems...
[09:15] <bingnet922> RenegadeX: knoppix uses KDE, I believe, but are you planning to install to HD or run from CD?
[09:15] <Jazon> Jucato: feel like a challenge?
[09:16] <Jazon> my swap won't activate for one.   the other is that one of my desktops 'thinks' that it is a gnome desktop!!
[09:17] <RenegadeX> bingnet922: want to try it out first from a CD as my free HD space is minimal - if I like Linux I'll probably repartition the drive
[09:17] <ironfroggy> i decided to do a fresh install of edgy, and it seems to sitting on 6% at "Select and Install software" saying "Please wait..." for some time now. should i worry?
[09:18] <bingnet922> RenegadeX: Knoppix is great for a lot of things, including trying out linux, but recommend Ubuntu for permanent install.
[09:18] <RenegadeX> I would prefer as close to WinXP in look/feel as possible. KDE/GNOME - or does it not make a difference?
[09:19] <bingnet922> RenegadeX: Gnome is by default a little closer to XP I think, but KDE is configurable to deliberately behave like XP.
[09:19] <RenegadeX> ah great! choices choices!
[09:19] <bingnet922> RenegadeX: you don't have to choose
[09:19] <RenegadeX> I see a lot of Firefox forum users recommending Kubuntu.
[09:20] <RenegadeX> no? Why is that?
[09:20] <bingnet922> RenegadeX: you can easily install both desktop managers and alternate every time you log in
[09:20] <RenegadeX> Ah... i didn't know that
[09:20] <ironfroggy> should i kill the install?
[09:20] <bingnet922> RenegadeX: KDE, gnome, xfce are desktop managers that allow you to interface with linux.
[09:21] <Gr1ncheux> ironfroggy, how many time does it stay and on what type of hardware ?
[09:21] <Gr1ncheux> sorry for my poor english :)
[09:22] <ironfroggy> this is my first install of edgy (replacing a previous dapper install) and its on a cheap HP pavilion
[09:22] <RenegadeX> bingnet922 - ah now what you wrote earlier makes sense. ie: Kubuntu with its default KDE is less resource intensive than Ubuntu default install with GNOME, yes?
[09:22] <bingnet922> RenegadeX: other way around...
[09:23] <Gr1ncheux> ironfroggy, keep cool and wait about half an hour after taht reboot and go on another install
[09:23] <bingnet922> RenegadeX: from most to least would be KDE, gnome, xfce, X, command line
[09:23] <ironfroggy> why should it take half an hour staying on 6% with no HDD activity at all?
[09:23] <RenegadeX> oh - most to least! oops!
[09:23] <Gr1ncheux> don't know :|
[09:24] <bingnet922> RenegadeX: kubuntu, ubuntu, xubuntu,...
[09:24] <ironfroggy> im just going to do the trick thats worked before: do a command-line only install and then install desktop afterwards.
[09:24] <Voker57> It did froze "looking through archive..." at mine
[09:25] <Voker57> but it continued after 10min
[09:26] <Voker57> the good thing about livecd is that you can run something during install
[09:27] <ironfroggy> yeah but im running the text based one
[09:27] <Voker57> oh
[09:28] <Voker57> are there some games coming with kubuntu?
[09:28] <Voker57> i haven't found any
[09:31] <Voker57> guess no
[09:32] <Rawrness> I just ran windows in vmware at 140 ram
[09:32] <Rawrness> And it was working....
[09:32] <unix_infidel> xp?
[09:33] <Rawrness> Yep
[09:33] <Rawrness> XP Pro Barebones Edition
[09:33] <Rawrness> Most of the crap got weeded out of it
[09:34] <unix_infidel> barebones?
[09:34] <ironfroggy> oh crap help me. i couldnt get grub past stage1.5 so i just did a fresh install and its doing just the same thing. it just sits there and wont progress past this.
[09:34] <unix_infidel> you mean nlit-ed to nothingness?
[09:34] <Rawrness> Prdy much
[09:35] <unix_infidel> anyone can create a non-usable vm :P
[09:35] <Rawrness> Of course
[09:35] <ironfroggy> what could cause a stock install to be unbootable past grub stage1.5 ?
[09:36] <Rawrness> I am just amazed i ran it with this pieace of shit.
[09:36] <Rawrness> did you md5 your image iron?
[09:36] <Rawrness> and check intergerity
[09:37] <ironfroggy> yes everything checked out fine
[09:38] <ironfroggy> i might have to go back to LILO
[09:38] <Rawrness> I never tryed Lilo
[09:38] <Rawrness> Another project for a rainday i guess.
[09:39] <ironfroggy> ive never gotten grub to work right
[09:39] <ironfroggy> hm.. cant i boot into a command line from the alternative install CD?
[09:40] <Rawrness> Not sure...... there is that one option of something... like recover system.
[09:41] <ironfroggy> yeah thats just an install without clearing the system. reinstalls the base system
[09:41] <ironfroggy> i need a command line tho, badly
[09:41] <Rawrness> I see
[09:42] <Rawrness> wouldn't you just need something to by past grub?
[09:42] <Rawrness> bypass*
[09:42] <ironfroggy> what do you mean? i need to install LILO, but i need to get to a prompt at least to do that.
[09:44] <ironfroggy> unless im missing something
[09:44] <james> anyone awake at this hour and has any experience with alsa and artsd?
[09:45] <Rawrness> Will reinstalling with alt disk and setting lilo as default instead of drub work?
[09:45] <ironfroggy> Rawrness: but how could i set that up? it never asks!
[09:45] <Rawrness> I know this one!!!
[09:46] <Rawrness> Tell it not to install grub
[09:46] <Rawrness> When it talks about it
[09:46] <ironfroggy> how?
[09:46] <ironfroggy> it never asks
[09:46] <Rawrness> esc to menu
[09:46] <Rawrness> right below install grub is install lilo
[09:46] <ironfroggy> ah i see it now.
[09:46] <ironfroggy> it doesnt ask anything about it in the normal install
[09:46] <Rawrness> :P
[09:46] <Rawrness> Nope
[09:47] <Rawrness> I lurv my alt install.
[09:47] <Rawrness> I gots the dvd :P
[09:48] <mimo> Hi, I installed beryl in edgy. How can I resize a window?
[09:48] <Rawrness> Go to beryl manager
[09:48] <Rawrness> check the box that says resize windows
[09:48] <defrysk> beryl-settings-manager
[09:48] <Rawrness> You should be able to after that i think.....
[09:49] <james> anyone liked to alsa?
[09:49] <Rawrness> Me and beryl have a bad histroy
[09:49] <Rawrness> history*
[09:49] <defrysk> its fine here :)
[09:50] <mimo> Rawrness: I can see options like click to focus, auto-raise, ...   but can't find an option of resize
[09:50] <james> well i tried
[09:50] <Rawrness> I recall it being there.......
[09:50] <defrysk> otherwise try #beryl , for beryl specific questions
[09:51] <Rawrness> STupid black windows.
[09:51] <defrysk> Rawrness, I use nvidia and it runs fine here
[09:51] <Rawrness> Do you card have its own memorie?
[09:51] <defrysk> 128 meg
[09:52] <Rawrness> Mine don't i don't think at leats
[09:52] <Rawrness> Geforce 6100
[09:52] <Rawrness> least*
[09:52] <mimo> Rawrness: on the general options it's not there and there are huge number of options on the other tabs but can't find it yet
[09:52] <defrysk> my beryl uses nvidia as rendering platform
[09:52] <defrysk> so no xgl or aixgl
[09:53] <Rawrness> Aka beta drivers?
[09:53] <defrysk> I use beta yes
[09:53] <defrysk> latest from amaranth
[09:53] <Rawrness> I use beta to theres some bug.
[09:53] <Rawrness> theirs*
[09:53] <defrysk> too bad Rawrness
[09:54] <Rawrness> Yep
[09:54] <Rawrness> I am thinking about buying a new card though.
[09:54] <Rawrness> And ram and sound card
[09:54] <defrysk> ram riles
[09:54] <defrysk> rules
[09:54] <defrysk> ,-- 1 gig
[09:55] <Rawrness> I got 256 ....
[09:55] <defrysk> thats pretty low.....
[09:55] <Rawrness> You get what you pay for I guess 300$ emachine
[09:55] <defrysk> yeah hehe
[09:55] <Rawrness> Thus my amazment of running windows in vmware.
[09:56] <defrysk> Kernel: Linux 2.6.17-10-generic | Distro: Debian/GNU testing/unstable | CPU: AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2200+ @ 1800 Mhz | Mem usage: 167.5/1011.4 MB (17%) | Swap usage: 0/2965.1 MB (0%) | Disk usage(Maxtor 6L300R0): 53.3/273.0 GB (20%) | Uptime: 14 mins 12 secs
[09:57] <defrysk> X.org: 7.1.1 | Monitor: LS902U | Videocard: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200]  | Res: 1400x1050, 24-bits | Audio: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller | X-chat: 2.6.6
[09:57] <Lynoure> defrysk: Let me guess: you do not use Firefox? (or not with many tabs, at least)
[09:58] <defrysk> I use firefox
[09:58] <defrysk> why wouldnt I ?
[09:58] <defrysk> its not open now if thats what you wonder
[09:58] <Lynoure> Well, my firefox alone uses more memory than that :)
[09:59] <Rawrness> Fun
[09:59] <Lynoure> At least after it has been on 12h with 40 tabs
[09:59] <defrysk> I have now beryl and xchat open + kde of course
[09:59] <Rawrness> xchat......
[09:59] <Rawrness> So Ugly......
[09:59] <defrysk> Rawrness, I prefer it muchly over kvirc
[10:00] <defrysk> or any other kde irc app
[10:00] <Lynoure> I should move to that too, now I just use it occasionally
[10:00] <Rawrness> Stills ugly....
[10:00] <defrysk> konq is fine for webbrowsing most of the time
[10:02] <Rawrness> I wonder how well the machine will work with 500mbs of ramm.
[10:02] <defrysk> Rawrness, much better I can assure you
[10:02] <Lynoure> Rawrness: I'd still stay away from 40 tabs on FF :) Other than that, mine is fine
[10:03] <Rawrness> I think il spend my chirstmas cash on ram this year
[10:03] <defrysk> let alone for 5 minutes
[10:03] <Lynoure> defrysk: If I close them, I forget about them
[10:04] <Rawrness> I betcah its porn!
[10:04] <Lynoure> Rawrness: half jobhunting, half geekery
[10:05] <Rawrness> So 50% jobs 20%porn 20% of whatever and a topping of 10% of caffine?
[10:10] <Lynoure> Rawrness: There are not that many hot guys in porn, unfortunately
[10:10] <Rawrness> Good point....
[10:10] <Lynoure> Rawrness: but if you are permanently curious, I can send you a screenshot of the current tabs
[10:11] <Rawrness> Not realy
[10:11] <Rawrness> I am just bored out of my mind.
[10:11] <defrysk> ubuntu is boring
[10:12] <Lynoure> Rawrness: my idea of geeky usually means computers :)
[10:12] <defrysk> once its up and running its boring to tears
[10:12] <Lynoure> unless you upgrade it :)
[10:12] <Lynoure> Rawrness: do you program?
[10:13] <defrysk> Lynoure, my highlight of the day is getting the next beryl-svn in
[10:13] <Lynoure> Rawrness: it's a good cure against boredom
[10:13] <defrysk> witch takes about 2 minutes
[10:13] <Rawrness> Nope
[10:13] <Lynoure> Rawrness: and even if you do not, I bet I have a project I could recruit you into :)
[10:13] <Rawrness> Where would you suggest starting?
[10:14] <Rawrness> Project ,eh?
[10:14] <Lynoure> Rawrness: Yes, there are usually at least 5 =)  Like making an adventure game (lacking sound and graphics people)
[10:15] <Rawrness> Aka MUD?
[10:15] <Lynoure> Rawrness: open source, of course, and a hobby project
[10:15] <Lynoure> Rawrness: no, akin to Monkey Island or Longest Journey
[10:15] <defrysk> or start playing planeshift
[10:15] <jdfellow> ok i need help anyone
[10:15] <Lynoure> MUDs do not usually have sound or graphics
[10:15] <Rawrness> Whatcha need?
[10:16] <defrysk> !ask | jdfellow
[10:16] <ubotu> jdfellow: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:16] <jdfellow> ok i have read all the post i could find on this problem and no solution
[10:16] <Rawrness> Whats the problem.....
[10:16] <jdfellow> the problem being that kaffeine and amarok keep crashing
[10:17] <jdfellow> one solution is to get rid of the asoundrc file but it has useful plugins
[10:17] <jdfellow> bear with me
[10:17] <mimo> Rawrness: thx a lot I found it now ;)
[10:17] <Rawrness> No problems
[10:18] <Rawrness> :P
[10:18] <jdfellow> i have found a solution when i load ksysguard it shows artsd running in the background when i kill it sound starts to work fine in amarok and kaffeine so how do i keep arstd from loading
[10:19] <jdfellow> ?
[10:19] <defrysk> turn it off
[10:19] <jdfellow> where?
[10:19] <defrysk> turn your soundserver of
[10:19] <jdfellow> oh thats too eazy
[10:19] <defrysk> arts sucks bigtime anyway and is to be removed in kde4
[10:20] <jdfellow> awesome
[10:20] <jdfellow> i know i am not the only one
[10:20] <defrysk> atrs has not been activly developed since kde2,2x
[10:20] <defrysk> arts*
[10:20] <defrysk> and is mainly a pita
[10:20] <Rawrness> Fun their
[10:20] <jdfellow> whats a pita?
[10:21] <Lynoure> a type of bread :)
[10:21] <defrysk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pita
[10:21] <defrysk> also a Pain in the Ass
[10:21] <jdfellow> anyway thanks that helps i think i will test it
[10:22] <Rawrness> I want to hit someone with a large loaf of french bread......
[10:22] <defrysk> frozen trouts rule
[10:22] <jdfellow> trout is funnier
[10:22] <Rawrness> For no apperent reason or motive
[10:22] <jdfellow> ok good morning or night
[10:22] <jdfellow> thanks
[10:22] <defrysk> good day
[10:22] <Rawrness> Perhaps the trout.....
[10:23] <ghostshadow189> hi all , i downloaded a theme , it's .kth file , then when i install it has no preview and error , then i want to remove this theme , but i cant . Wat prob ? and wat folder or file system to edit theme ?
[10:25] <Rawrness> Now how to get the machine to read off my fat32 partiion.................
[10:27] <Lynoure> Rawrness: is it mounted?
[10:28] <Rawrness> Vmware :P
[10:28] <Rawrness> Lots of fun things to play with their
[10:29] <Rawrness> But i hope the end result is never dual booting again.
[10:34] <ironfroggy> any idea why i would not be able to install either LILO or GRUB bootloaders to /target? i get no definitive errors from either.
[10:37] <Rawrness> Bad Karma?
[10:37] <ironfroggy> maybe
[10:37] <ironfroggy> i think i can give some boot params to the livecd to boot my kernel but i cant figure them out
[10:39] <ghostshadow189> hi all , how can i install new theme for kubuntu ?
[10:39] <Jucato> !theme
[10:39] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[10:39] <Jucato> er..
[10:39] <Jucato> !changethemes
[10:39] <ubotu> Install gnome-themes (gnome) or go to menu, system settings, appearance (KDE).  For a good KDE guide, see http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1255036&postcount=3
[10:43] <ironfroggy> anyone know params i could give to the liveCD to boot into my harddrive?
[10:44] <Rawrness> !Easybutton
[10:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about Easybutton - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:44] <Rawrness> no easy button.......
[10:45] <ironfroggy> anyone know at least what i can give for the initrd param?
[10:46] <ironfroggy> anyone tell me where theirs is?
[10:46] <Ayabara> probably not the most often asked question here, but is there a way to uninstall all the packages I got by installing kubuntu-desktop if I should want to go back to a pure gnome install?
[10:46] <ghostshadow189> hi all , i installed  deKorator , but i cant find it in start menu . wat command to run it ?
[10:46] <Rawrness> apt-get auto-remove kubuntu-desktop
[10:47] <Rawrness> or something like that i forgot how auto remove went
[10:47] <buz> whenever i try to select a text passage that contains oo formulas it crashes
[10:47] <Newbeee> Hi I'm new to this and cant find were to config samba (server)
[10:47] <buz> on dapper it never did that
[10:47] <Jucato> ghostshadow189: in System Settings -> Appearance -> Window Decorations
[10:48] <Ayabara> Rawrness, I don't think that will remove much of the kde packages installed. I was just curious though :-)
[10:48] <Rawrness> well tis edgy
[10:49] <Rawrness> Wait a Min. Robert Jordan fan?
[10:49] <Jucato> Ayabara: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[10:50] <buz> Rawrness: koffice unfortunately isnt an option
[10:50] <buz> opendocument support is totally incompatible among the two
[10:51] <buz> interesting
[10:51] <Rawrness> I use abiword
[10:51] <buz> deleting .openoffice.org2 helped
[10:52] <buz> or not
[10:57] <Rawrness> I think I might get some "sleep"
[10:57] <Rawrness> Night people i managed to push further in to their problems
[11:02] <buz> mhh oo crashes must be related to java
[11:02] <buz> if java is deactivated they dont occur
[11:02] <vieira> i ppl
[11:02] <buz> what JRE is suggested to be used with oo on edgy?
[11:02] <vieira> can u tell me how can i shutdow my kubuntu with crontab?
[11:03] <Jazon> Any ideas for either of these two problems?  One: my swap won't activate for one. (problem with disk id or something)    the other is that one of my desktops 'thinks' that it is a gnome desktop!!
[11:04] <buz> vieira: add "halt" to roots crontab
[11:04] <stefania> buongiorno
[11:04] <vieira> buz: i want do shutdown the machine in certain time
[11:04] <buz> do you know how crontab works?
[11:05] <vieira> buz: i've put in the corntab but the machine doesn't turn off
[11:05] <buz> what did you put there
[11:05] <vieira> buz: i'm missing something?
[11:05] <buz> and: did you put it in YOUR crontab or root's ?
[11:05] <buz> only root can shutdown the system by default i think
[11:05] <vieira> buz: mine
[11:05] <buz> try root's
[11:05] <vieira> buz: ok
[11:06] <buz> what is it with my openoffice
[11:07] <buz> crashes allt the time
[11:09] <vieira> buz: going to check if works
[11:09] <buz> good luck
[11:09] <vieira> buz: if i'm gone it works :)
[11:09] <kelly_> hey guys, total n00b here. Tell me is this is the wrong place to ask but I am having some trouble with apt and adept
[11:09] <kelly_> i tried to run apt-get update from konsole but it cannot connect to any servers
[11:10] <kelly_> but i can ping google.com from the konsole
[11:10] <defrysk> kelly_, remove the landcode from the sources.lis lines
[11:10] <defrysk> sources.list
[11:11] <kelly_> ok ill try it
[11:11] <defrysk> then apt-get update
[11:12] <kelly_> ok sorry to ask but what is landcode?
[11:12] <kelly_> and is the in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[11:13] <defrysk> kelly_, example :
[11:13] <buz> something like http://US.archive.ubuntu.com
[11:13] <defrysk> deb http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe multiverse
[11:13] <buz> remove the US, DE or whatever