[05:50] <Researcher-> Good morning
[05:50] <Researcher-> :)
[05:51] <Researcher-> hi barlas
[05:51] <Researcher-> hi kilos
[05:51] <Researcher-> :)
[05:51] <Researcher-> hi elacheche
[06:23] <Kilos> hi Researcher-
[06:24] <Kilos> i will be away most of the day working in lands
[06:24] <Kilos> i left you a message in -bd i think
[06:47] <Researcher-> :)
[06:47] <Researcher-> yeah saw that Kilos
[06:47] <Researcher-> its all right
[06:47] <Kilos> cool
[06:47] <Researcher-> :)
[06:47] <Researcher-> take your time
[06:47] <Kilos> you have a good day in the meantime
[06:47] <Researcher-> thanks bro
[06:48] <Kilos> chat to pavlushkla whe you see him about what needs sorting there
[06:48] <Researcher-> yeah sure
[06:48] <Researcher-> yesterday he joined but i were not able to catch him
[06:48] <Researcher-> today ill try to speak with him
[06:48] <Researcher-> :)
[06:48] <Researcher-> regards
[06:57] <Kilos> good
[06:57] <Kilos> then we can work something out
[07:34] <barlas> Morning
[07:48] <Kilos> hi barlas
[07:54] <barlas> Hi Kilos
[07:54] <barlas> What's up?
[07:55] <Kilos> all good here and there
[07:55] <Kilos> ?
[07:55] <Kilos> just busy outside mostly today
[07:56] <barlas> What do you do? If you don't mind me asking
[07:56] <Kilos> farm on a small holding
[07:56] <barlas> Ahan, that's nice
[07:56] <Kilos> and when im at the pc i do promotion work for ubuntu
[07:58] <Kilos> and you barlas ?
[07:59] <barlas> Software Engineer. Prefer to stay indoors and away from things that require me move around.
[07:59] <Kilos> lol
[07:59] <Kilos> sometimes one hasnt a choice
[08:07] <barlas> Ofcourse.
[09:27] <elacheche> hey there
[09:40] <barlas> elacheche: Your name reminds me of 'cardamoms'. We call them elaichi :P
[09:44] <elacheche> barlas: I gogled that, but I don't recognize the herb :/ x)
[12:33] <barlas> elacheche: It's very common here
[13:18] <pavlushka> Hello everyone!
[13:45] <barlas> Hi pavlushka
[13:45] <barlas> Researcher-: What's new today?
[13:49] <pavlushka> How are you barlas !
[13:51] <barlas> I am fine, what about you pavlushka?
[13:53] <pavlushka> barlas: Facing Problems installing Joomla in localhost, its what about me now, :p
[13:53] <barlas> Ah
[13:53] <barlas> What are you going to do with Joomla/
[13:53] <pavlushka> setting up a test site
[13:55] <pavlushka> I have done it ok a long time ago with ver 1.5 but now I am having problem with ver 3.03
[13:57] <barlas> Why Joomla? :P
[14:03] <barlas> I haven't used joomla in a really long time, but I found it to be overkill for most sites
[14:04] <pavlushka> barlas: please rephrase " overkill for most sites"
[14:05] <barlas> It's very huge and bloated.
[14:07] <barlas> Ofcourse, now that I think about it, that may have to do with the kind of sites I was building :)
[14:11] <pavlushka> barlas: yes I found joomla a little stuffy than needed, but just making sure to get a hand on it
[14:28] <elacheche> barlas: my name is a very common name in pakestain?! :D :o
[14:28] <elacheche> they pavlushka :)
[14:31] <pavlushka> Hello elacheche , its been a long time since we have talked, How was the Honeymoon? (You dont need to answer that if you dont want to, :p)
[14:32] <elacheche> pavlushka: It wasn't a real honeymoon, we had no much spare time to, just a short vacation, and I hope that I can have a honeymoon after Ramadhan
[14:33] <pavlushka> elacheche: Goodluck with that.
[14:34] <barlas> elacheche: No, it's just similar to a name of a herb that is very commonly used here.
[14:34]  * pavlushka wow
[14:34] <barlas> elacheche: Got married? :O
[14:34] <barlas> Congratulations
[14:35] <pavlushka> aaaaaa...m, I forgot elacheche , Congratulations.
[14:42] <elacheche> Thx barlas & pavlushka, saw this → https://plus.google.com/104209171859740165866/posts/61AULG4S1NH ? :D
[14:51] <barlas> If I can't play video, what does it say?
[15:07] <elacheche> barlas: It just says "Congrats"  :)
[15:07] <barlas> To you? :O
[15:07] <elacheche> Bot me and my wife (she's a ubuntu member as well) :)
[15:08] <elacheche> We even used Ubuntu pins during our weding :D x)
[15:25] <barlas> That's nice
[15:25] <barlas> Do you guys met online? If not , was she already an ubuntu member?
[15:49] <elacheche> barlas: No, not online, we met on our LoCo → ubuntu-tn :)
[16:11] <barlas> What is tn for?
[16:14] <Kilos> tunisia
[16:57]  * elacheche greetings you from Tunisia :D


[00:05] <jbicha> actually that didn't exactly work w/ accounsservice; I don't know, it seemed like debuild was ignoring ubuntu.series
[00:06] <jbicha> anyway I uploaded it
[00:09] <darkxst> ok
[00:10] <jbicha> it worked in sbuild but not with debuild -S
[00:12] <darkxst> I though debuild picked up ubuntu.series when I was testing
[00:14] <darkxst> jbicha, metacity is not loading here for gnome classic sessions
[00:20] <jbicha> darkxst: are you sure you're not running Compiz? bug 1062099
[00:20] <jbicha> and bug  bug 1036752
[00:20] <jbicha> first bug is fixed, I guess the second one may still be broken for quantal release
[00:34] <darkxst> ah ok
[00:47] <darkxst> so basically it wont work even when compiz is installed?
[00:53] <jbicha> GNOME Classic (with effects) is broken :(
[00:53] <jbicha> that should be a critical bug for Edubuntu, but Edubuntu is more or less recommending that schools really ought to stay with 12.04
[00:53] <jbicha> llvmpipe/dropping Unity 2D is also causing issues for LTSP
[00:54] <jbicha> it turns out compiz isn't really that big of a file size addition but I think just shipping GNOME Classic w/ Metacity is more than adequate for our needs
[01:17] <darkxst> well yeh, perhaps we should remove the broken one from session list?
[01:22] <jbicha> hmm...my instinct was to say it's too late for quantal but on second thought...
[01:22] <jbicha> anyway, logging off for the night
[03:03] <DangerM> Hiya - anyone about at all ?
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Hey jbicha
[13:56] <jbicha> hi
[13:56] <DangerM> Hi jbicha - just started using Gnome Remix - joined the group on launchpad
[13:56] <DangerM> Is there anything you needed help with
[13:56] <smartboyhw> :D
[14:01] <jbicha> DangerM: well the release is coming quite soon, so reporting & fixing bugs is our priority
[14:01] <DangerM> Ok cool (I'm DangerMouseUK/DangerMouse on forum/launchpad respectively)
[14:01] <DangerM> I think the auto-login bug is a bit of a showstopper
[14:02] <DangerM> Had to edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf manually to get my login screen back
[14:02] <jbicha> DangerM: darkxst already has a fix for that, I just haven't finished reviewing it yet
[14:03] <DangerM> Ah cool that's the only thing so far that I've noticed and I've been using it for 3-4 days now
[14:04] <DangerM> Had another problem with the window manager/compiz not working properly but I added some PPAs and it went away
[14:07] <jbicha> I think the compiz problem was a combination of bug 1062099 and bug 1036752
[14:07] <jbicha> GNOME Shell doesn't use compiz you know, it's just Unity that does (or optionally, GNOME Classic)
[14:24] <DangerM> Yeah I'm currently using Gnome Classic + Compiz
[14:24] <DangerM> Thats my preferred setup :)
[14:25] <DangerM> I will make the move to the newer interface I'm just dragging my feet for as long as I can
[14:28] <jbicha> DangerM: are you familiar with gnome-shell-extensions?
[14:29] <DangerM> jbicha : yes I am - they go some way to mitigating the cross-over
[14:30] <DangerM> but I still prefer the classic look, haven't quite got stuck into the search for everything
[14:30] <DangerM> sort of thing - I just like having menus with programs on them and going to find them
[14:31] <DangerM> Unless there's an extension I'm missing that does that
[14:32] <jbicha> that's why I brought it up: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/6/applications-menu/
[14:35] <jbicha> there's another one for a places menu but it's a little broken on my computer
[14:37] <DangerM> Oh that looks quite nice actually - might give it a go and see where I get
[14:37] <DangerM> Whilst I've got you here, I've got three gnome3 PPA's on my install
[14:38] <DangerM> ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3 + a staging and testing ppa (forgot exact names for those)
[14:38] <DangerM> is that a non-recommended setup
[14:42] <jbicha> DangerM: I don't recommend you use testing or staging; testing is for the latest git snapshots; staging is for "riskier" stuff
[14:43] <DangerM> Ok I will ppa-purge both of them then - so far everything seems stable enough, no complaints but I'd rather have it running in recommended format
[14:43] <jbicha> the gnome3 ppa should be fairly safe; it's not necessary but it's nice if you want more of the latest stable GNOME
[14:44] <jbicha> I consider the gnome3 ppa to be pretty much supported although there may be good reason Ubuntu held back from upgrading certain components
[14:48] <DangerM> Oh ok cool, well I'll keep that one then and just purge the other two - I noticed in Fedora that my fingerprint stuff worked out of the box and it doesn't with Ubuntu Gnome - is that an Ubuntu thing ?
[14:51] <DangerM> The implementation seemed a bit broken in Fedora so I haven't made the jump to install it just yet anyway
[15:00] <ricotz> jbicha, don't scare my ppa users ;P
[15:00] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:05] <DangerM> lol ricotz
[15:05] <DangerM> I have had no problems so far with either PPA
[15:08] <jbicha> ricotz: well I don't like the idea of backporting development git snapshots to users of the current stable release
[15:09] <jbicha> I'd prefer it if you kept GNOME 3.6 to quantal
[15:09] <jbicha> your work *is* useful for developers and those who want to test things before they land
[15:09] <ricotz> jbicha, ok, this means you don't like the half of all ppa out there ;)
[15:09] <smartboyhw> LOL
[15:10] <ricotz> jbicha, no everyone likes do run ubuntu+1
[15:10] <ricotz> *not
[15:11] <ricotz> daily/snapshot build ppas arent restricted to the currently development release, and so it my testing ppa
[15:11] <jbicha> sure, I only like a few ppas, I only have 2 enabled at the moment
[15:11] <ricotz> but yeah not everyone should use it before thinking about it
[15:12] <ricotz> especially the staging one
[15:12] <ricotz> i see ;), i like ppa a lot, but i guess i only enabled those i am maintaining/co-maintaining
[15:13] <jbicha> see, you don't trust other people's ppas either ;)
[15:14] <jbicha> actually since I use ubuntu+1, there's not many ppas's I need anyway
[15:14] <ricotz> oh, i trust the mozilla team
[15:15]  * smartboyhw trusts the almighty mozilla team too
[15:15] <ricotz> jbicha, you wouldnt believe how outdate quantal already is in some points ;)
[15:28] <jbicha> right, I like the mozilla ppa's, the LibreOffice ppa that you work on (although I wish it would use the mozilla ppa naming convention), & the GNOME3 PPA as examples
[15:28] <jbicha> it's about trusting the maintainers to know what they're doing
[19:04] <jbicha> darkxst: just did an install without the slideshow installed, it works fine but I filed bug 1062975
[19:05] <jbicha> everaldo: ^ maybe we should do a conservative one-page slideshow??
[19:12] <everaldo> jbicha, yes
[19:13] <everaldo> jbicha, can we ship it just in english?
[19:14] <jbicha> I'm not sure exactly what we should do
[19:14] <jbicha> 1. We could ship without a slideshow (what the build script is currently set to do)
[19:15] <jbicha> 2. We could do a simple one-page slideshow, maybe with a short title, maybe without that
[19:16] <jbicha> 3. Or we could do a full slideshow...but I really don't think we have time for this
[19:16] <everaldo> Ok, I will make two branches, one with one slide and another with a full one
[19:16] <darkxst> jbicha, what do you think of this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-session/+bug/1057841
[19:17] <everaldo> jbicha, so tomorow you guys can choose which one to use
[19:17] <darkxst> is it too late to fix?
[19:19] <jbicha> darkxst: it's not too late but it depends on how complicated it is to fix
[19:20] <darkxst> re slideshow, I think we could just make a simple slideshow with 4-5 screenshots that showcase gnome-shell (and you could probably get away with no text)
[19:20] <jbicha> yeah, the text is the big problem
[19:20] <darkxst> jbicha, gnome-screensaver needs to be patched to handle switch user stuff via dbus or libgdm
[19:21] <darkxst> since gdmflexiserver is no more
[19:22] <darkxst> if we are careful with screenshots, we shouldnt need any text
[19:22] <everaldo> well, we still have the headers to translate but it can be only english or just a few translations
[19:22] <jbicha> darkxst: ok, well if we get a reasonable patch, I can help get it in, even if it requires an SRU
[19:23] <darkxst> and I wouldnt worry about the fast-user switching in indicator session,
[19:23] <everaldo> jbicha, darkxst, "Welcome to Ubuntu GNOME 12.10" or "Welcome to Ubuntu GNOME Remix 12.10" ?
[19:23] <darkxst> clicking a name should get the login dialog with a "switch user" button
[19:23] <everaldo> right now it is "Welcome to Ubuntu GNOME 12.10"
[19:24] <darkxst> everaldo, surely we can translate that with sed?
[19:25] <darkxst> sed s/Ubuntu/Ubuntu GNOME/ in *.po
[19:26] <everaldo> darkxst, yes, we can but I just wanna know if we will use the word "Remix" for distro name
[19:26] <everaldo> I mean, Ubuntu GNOME or Ubuntu GNOME Remix
[20:26] <jbicha> darkxst: hey, how many git patches are in your fix for bug 1061993?
[20:26] <jbicha> could you just attach the separate git patches we need instead of merging them into one patch?
[20:29] <darkxst> jbicha, yes can do
[20:34] <everaldo> what bg looks better http://imagebin.org/231129
[20:34] <everaldo> or http://imagebin.org/231130
[20:34] <everaldo> ?
[20:35] <jbicha> darkxst: thanks, that makes it slightly simpler to review and then remove when the next gdm version is released
[20:37] <gonyere> everaldo: i like #2
[20:38] <everaldo> gonyere, I like #1 but #2 looks to be more close to GNOME since gnome.org main page uses a image like #2
[20:38] <gonyere> yeah, thats my feeling as well
[20:38] <gonyere> #1 is just a bit too dark
[20:38] <gonyere> honestly, something inbetween might be better
[20:40] <jbicha> everaldo: what about bright-day.jpg then?
[20:41] <everaldo> let me make one shot with it
[20:42] <everaldo> I have three version
[20:42] <everaldo> versions
[20:44] <everaldo> humm, bright-day is like #2 because I am cutting
[20:44] <everaldo> let me fix the way how I cut the original image
[20:46] <everaldo> jbicha, http://imagebin.org/231131
[20:50] <darkxst> jbicha, https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/quantal/gdm/fix-lp1061993
[20:51] <gonyere> is that the original?
[20:51] <gonyere> i like it :)
[20:51] <everaldo> gonyere, the image?
[20:51] <gonyere> yeah
[20:51] <everaldo> yes, it is original
[20:52] <everaldo> theres three original backgrounds
[20:52] <everaldo> gonyere, look at /usr/share/themes/Adwaita/backgrounds
[20:53] <everaldo> we just need to find a good icon to put on the right side since first image don't use screenshot
[20:53] <gonyere> are we looking for a gnome icon?
[20:54] <everaldo> don't if we are allowed to
[20:54] <everaldo> maybe accessivility icon like gnome.org
[20:56] <gonyere> https://live.gnome.org/BrandGuidelines has official gnome images
[20:59] <everaldo> This page contains source images for the GNOME logo. These can be used in relation to genuine GNOME project activities, including the design of merchandising and marketing materials.
[20:59] <everaldo> The images included here should be used as provided and should not be modified in any way.
[21:05] <jbicha> darkxst: more specifically, what I'm looking for is: if you go to http://git.gnome.org/browse/gdm/commit/?h=gnome-3-6&id=571ea34ff6
[21:05] <jbicha> and click patch
[21:06] <jbicha> that gives you the already formatted patch, and it's relatively easy to compare what patches we've applied with what is in the git commit log
[21:06] <darkxst> jbicha, they don't apply
[21:06] <jbicha> oh
[21:06] <darkxst> debbuild give messages about no fuzz
[21:06] <darkxst> allowed or something
[21:07] <jbicha> well could you at least preserve the headers so it's more obvious where the patch came from?
[21:08] <jbicha> everaldo: I'm sorry, what do you need an icon for?
[21:08] <darkxst> jbicha ok
[21:11] <everaldo> jbicha, the right side of this first slide is empty, on Ubuntu we have an image... and origami I think
[21:12] <everaldo> we must fill this right side with something (or not ;-)
[21:12] <jbicha> that's the code name mascot, I don't think we need to fill that space w/ anything
[21:15] <everaldo> jbicha, GNOME Remix includes shotwell by default?
[21:18] <jbicha> everaldo: yes
[21:19] <darkxst> jbicha, like this? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/quantal/gdm/fix-lp1061993/revision/270
[21:19] <jbicha> everaldo: try this, it's slightly out-dated http://bicha.net/ubuntu-gnome-remix/quantal-ubuntu-gnome-i386-20120927.manifest
[21:21] <everaldo> nice, thanks
[21:21] <everaldo> it is included
[21:22] <everaldo> so maybe we can keep the shotwell slide and just change the screenshot like I did with music slide (rhythmbox)
[21:29] <everaldo> and this is how other slide looks like: http://imagebin.org/231134
[21:35] <jbicha> darkxst: thanks so much! I've uploaded now, apologies for the delay in reviewing
[21:36] <everaldo> ok, let me commit some place so you guys can test and help decide what to include or not
[21:42] <everaldo> jbicha, gonyere, https://code.launchpad.net/~ecanuto/ubuntu/quantal/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubuntu-gnome
[21:42] <everaldo> to test just type ./test-slideshow.sh ubuntu-gnome
[21:43] <everaldo> we can replace the ubuntu related slides but text can't be translated later
[21:49] <jbicha> everaldo: it has a bunch of Ubuntu-specific slides still
[21:49] <everaldo> jbicha, yes, I know
[21:50] <everaldo> jbicha, if we are going to make slides available in english I will replace
[21:50] <everaldo> but if we are going to go with only one or two
[21:50] <everaldo> then I will remove them
[21:51] <jbicha> at this point, I want as little stuff needing translation as possible
[21:52] <jbicha> final language packs (pre-release) will be generated Tuesday morning...which gives 0 time for translation
[21:54] <everaldo> jbicha, so, I will keep the name as "Ubuntu 12.10" (without GNOME) so we will be nice with welcome message. Then replace all slide that is common only changing images and all other slides will be remove or replace to screenshot only without image
[21:55] <everaldo> jbicha, is that ok for you?
[21:55] <jbicha> yeah, let's see what that looks like
[22:11] <everaldo> humm, I don't see any translation, theres a folder with .po but all languages is in english
[22:11] <everaldo> maybe translations is not uploaded yet?
[22:13] <jbicha> everaldo: po/ubuntu/ has lots of different languages
[22:14] <everaldo> jbicha, yes, but on ubiquity all po files are in english
[22:14] <everaldo> did you know if ubiquity really show slides in different languages?
[22:16] <jbicha> everaldo: you've never tried installing Ubuntu in a different language?
[22:16] <everaldo> jbicha, no :)
[22:17] <everaldo> what is really weird since I am brazillian :)
[22:19] <everaldo> found translations
[22:19] <darkxst> everaldo, some translations are incomplete,
[22:32] <darkxst> anyway my suggestion would be to keep the first slide, then for the other slides just have screenshots taking up the whole window
[22:33] <darkxst> then you could have screenshots that are self-explanatory without any text
[22:41] <everaldo> darkxst, is what I am doing right now
[22:41] <everaldo> darkxst, but to be honest, I don't see any reason to don't ship text without translation
[22:42] <everaldo> even ubuntu and kubuntu are not 100% translated in all available languages
[22:42] <everaldo> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+pots/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[22:52] <jbicha> everaldo: that would be fine if we were before User Interface Freeze
[23:01] <everaldo> well, looks like screenshots and icons only could be nice too
[23:02] <jbicha> logging off for the evening
[23:34] <DangerM> howdy all
[23:34] <DangerM> back again


[00:44] <m4v> terrific
[00:44] <m4v> again I'm out of u-es access list
[00:53] <m4v> I'll try to talk with p3l|c4n0 (i'm not gonna like this)
[01:13] <m4v> meh, I won't argue anymore...
[04:52] <ZachK18> hello?
[04:55] <ZachK18> anyone here?


[11:51] <knome> madnick, how's the plymouth stuff?
[12:19] <knome> astraljava, you had a HP laptop? what wifi? i just installed xubuntu on wife's laptop, and with the broadcom wifi, i needed to use the b43 driver instead of the STA driver, which got installed by default..
[12:41] <astraljava> knome: I'll get back to you about that later, gotta run now.
[15:40] <madnick> knome: pretty much solid, the "problem" I have is that, while I can test it using my own message sequences, I cannot test it using VBox and get the real messages, since I don't see the screen at boot
[15:43] <knome> madnick, then just push it for others to test
[15:45] <madnick> okay
[15:49] <ochosi> hey there
[18:30] <astraljava> knome: What was that again? My freenode server rebooted, and using SSL reconnects in a weird way, and thus I /quit and /connect'ed, thus losing backlog.
[18:34] <knome> 14:19  knome: astraljava, you had a HP laptop? what wifi? i just installed xubuntu on wife's laptop, and with the broadcom wifi, i needed to use the b43 driver instead of the STA driver, which got installed by default..
[18:34] <knome> astraljava, ^ that
[18:37] <astraljava>   *-network
[18:37] <astraljava>        description: Wireless interface
[18:37] <astraljava>        product: BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller
[18:38] <knome> i have bcm4312.
[18:39] <astraljava> configuration: broadcast=yes driver=brcmsmac driverversion=3.0.0-16-generic firmware=N/A latency=0 link=no multicast=yes wireless=IEEE 802.11bgn
[18:39] <astraljava> brcmsmac
[18:40] <astraljava> Huh, nice names for these drivers.
[18:42] <knome> heh
[21:18] <knome> pleia2, you there?
[21:18] <TheMouldyMarsBar> knome: hardly anyone comes here
[21:19] <knome> TheMouldyMarsBar, wrong. many people come here regularly. sometimes they just lurk.
[21:19] <TheMouldyMarsBar> *hardly anyone CHATS here
[21:20] <knome> well, that's wrong too. people chat here when they need to discuss about development
[21:20] <TheMouldyMarsBar> Most just go to #xubuntu
[21:20] <knome> now that we have all freezes ongoing, there's not much to communicate about, except some bugs
[21:21] <knome> well, #xubuntu is for the support. if you need support, that's the correct channel.
[21:22] <knome> we don't specifically discourage random chatter here now and then, but usually people take that to #xubuntu-offtopic or other channels
[22:09] <pleia2> knome: hey
[22:12] <pleia2> no response yet from the trademarks folks :\
[22:13] <knome> pleia2, umph.
[22:13] <knome> pleia2, i was thinking the alternate disc still
[22:13] <pleia2> knome: to drop it?
[22:13] <knome> pleia2, well yeah. isn't there any other way to achieve those certain things?
[22:14] <pleia2> use server alt and install xubuntu-desktop :)
[22:14] <knome> do you think that's something we shouldn't tell people to do?
[22:14] <knome> i mean, testing the alt vs. not testing
[22:15] <knome> and maintaining vs. not
[22:15] <knome> those are the things
[22:15] <pleia2> oh, that, we will keep the alt?
[22:15] <pleia2> gotcha
[22:15] <pleia2> what is the blocker to testing the alt?
[22:15] <knome> is it worth it?
[22:15] <knome> nothing really
[22:15] <knome> time and resources
[22:16] <knome> if we didn't have alt, we'd have more tests on desktop
[22:16] <pleia2> ok, I think desktop has to take precedence
[22:16] <knome> the other choice is to drop anything in the alt-tests to "run-once"
[22:17] <pleia2> I can't help with hardware testing (no spare hardware) but I can help with virtual testing of alt
[22:17] <knome> whatever the case, i think we'd benefit from more testing
[22:17]  * pleia2 has been meaning to help with testing more anyway
[22:17] <knome> and actually reporting and discussing issues sooner
[22:17]  * pleia2 nods
[22:17] <knome> i'm not really pro-drop-alt
[22:18] <pleia2> I love alt
[22:18] <knome> but i'm just wondering if we have the resources for it
[22:18] <pleia2> yeah :\
[22:18] <pleia2> will you be around for a couple hours?
[22:18] <knome> we should maybe take a poll or so in the website on how many people will use alt
[22:18] <knome> probably yeah
[22:18] <knome> as long as my back can take it, yeah
[22:18] <pleia2> ok, I am going to go grab my lunch and then I'll sit down to look at testing stuff
[22:18] <knome> okay, sure
[22:19] <knome> bon appetit :)
[22:19] <pleia2> I did testing before when it was a wiki page list of tests ;) but I haven't used the iso tracker yet
[22:19] <knome> ah
[22:19] <pleia2> oh, I'll start the daily downloads now
[22:19] <knome> well, that's pretty cool
[22:19] <knome> it's really straightforward
[22:19] <knome> and i think just promoting testing could get us easily a few people doing tests now-and-then
[22:19]  * pleia2 nods
[22:19] <knome> but of course, we need continuous contributions :/
[22:19] <pleia2> once I figure out how to do it, I'll write that blog post I've been meaning to write
[22:20] <knome> mm-hmm
[22:20] <pleia2> preference to testing 64 vs 32?
[22:20] <knome> ping me when you get back from lunch
[22:20] <knome> i think it depends on what has been tested
[22:21] <pleia2> and is there a daily alt?
[22:21] <knome> looks like we have 0 tests on everything for 20120310
[22:21] <pleia2> ok
[22:21] <knome> yup
[22:21] <pleia2> ah, /daily vs /daily-live
[22:22] <pleia2> ok, wgets going, I'll ping you when I return :)
[22:24] <knome> good
[22:25] <ochosi> knome: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7381
[22:25] <ochosi> unfortunately it's a bit too late for precise, but for +1 we could make use of this
[22:27] <knome> hmm
[22:27] <knome> right
[22:27] <ochosi> (if you remember the appmenu-button proposal we worked on)
[22:27] <knome> yeah, i do
[22:28] <knome> do you have any opinion on testing?
[22:28] <ochosi> do you mean anything concretely?
[22:28] <ochosi> (haven't had time to read the backlog yet and am about to watch a movie)
[22:29] <knome> astraljava, ?
[22:29] <astraljava> Sorry.
[22:29] <knome> for what? :P
[22:30] <knome> when was the QA meeting again?
[22:30] <astraljava> I think it was on Wednesdays.
[22:30] <knome> "was" ?
[22:30] <astraljava> Haven't participated lately anymore.
[22:31] <knome> right
[22:33] <knome> ubuntu wiki sucks
[22:57] <pleia2> knome: back
[22:58] <knome> pleia2, mmh :)
[22:59] <knome> i just tweeted our next community meeting
[23:00]  * knome gets some tea to drink
[23:01] <pleia2> so https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures is the page charlie-tca gave me
[23:03] <knome> just log into http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[23:03] <knome> i can guide you through
[23:04] <pleia2> done
[23:04] <knome> so, on the first page you have the milestones
[23:04] <knome> you want precise daily, of course
[23:04]  * pleia2 nods
[23:04] <knome> when you click that, you'll have a list of products
[23:04] <knome> you can slim it down by unchecking most stuff on the left pane "filters"
[23:05] <knome> you probably want to leave "upgrade" and "xubuntu" (and statuses "untested" and "partial")
[23:05] <pleia2> cool
[23:05] <knome> when you've done that scroll to the bottom
[23:05] <knome> you can see the xubuntu tests
[23:06] <knome> alt amd64, alt i386, desktop amd64, desktop i386
[23:06]  * pleia2 nods
[23:06] <knome> let's say you want to test desktop amd64
[23:06] <knome> click that
[23:06] <knome> now you can see all the testcases
[23:06] <pleia2> let's say i386, since I actually got that one ;)
[23:06] <knome> hehe, okay ;)
[23:06] <pleia2> ok
[23:06] <knome> there are the testcase-specific results
[23:07] <knome> passed/failed/running, and the bugs column will show links to any bugs that are found
[23:07] <knome> for a working example, look at the desktop amd64 beta1 tests: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds/12681/testcases
[23:07] <pleia2> ah, nice
[23:07] <knome> well anyway, the nicer thing
[23:08] <knome> there's the download info link on top
[23:08] <knome> with rsync/zsync commands
[23:08] <knome> and http of course
[23:08] <knome> with gpg signs and md5 checksums
[23:08] <knome> ALSO
[23:08] <pleia2> oh that is much better than trying to remember the cdimage link :)
[23:08] <knome> you have the document icons with the tool
[23:08] <knome> if you click that, you'll get the procedure for that testcase
[23:09]  * pleia2 nods
[23:09] <knome> now, when you start testing a testcase, you click on the testcase name
[23:09] <knome> let's say live session
[23:09]  * knome logs in
[23:10] <knome> now you have this simple add a result -page
[23:10] <knome> first, you select the outcome
[23:10] <knome> then add bug #s for critical and normal bugs
[23:10] <knome> and you can add a hw profile url and/or a comment, eg "vbox with 512 ram"
[23:11] <knome> i don't think we're using "in progress" -result much now, but i think we could benefit from that if we ever have more testers
[23:11] <pleia2> ok
[23:11] <knome> that way you wouldn't start doing the same test somebody else is on
[23:11] <pleia2> where does the hw profile url come from?
[23:11] <knome> it can be anything
[23:11] <knome> some people add a wikipage for the HW info
[23:11] <pleia2> oh, like a link to a product page for your laptop?
[23:12] <knome> but if you test with vbox, comment would be okay
[23:12] <pleia2> ah
[23:12] <knome> well, that would work as well
[23:12] <knome> i don't know about it, but i suppose it's not clearly specified what that should be :)
[23:12]  * pleia2 nods
[23:12] <knome> but yeah, that simply is it
[23:13] <knome> if you go back to the "precise daily" page, you can see the columns mandatory and run once
[23:13] <knome> those will have the number of testcases run
[23:14] <knome> like a good overview :)
[23:14] <knome> and the bugs too
[23:14] <pleia2> ok cool
[23:14] <pleia2> I'll do a test and ask questions about where my bugs go ;)
[23:14] <knome> again good example; http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/208/builds
[23:14] <knome> well, bugs should be at LP
[23:15] <knome> in the ISO tracker, you only need their numbers
[23:15] <knome> and the system will fetch the rest
[23:15] <pleia2> yeah, I never know what packages to file stuff against
[23:15] <pleia2> so I'll just ask
[23:15] <GridCube> evening
[23:15] <pleia2> hey GridCube
[23:15] <knome> ah :) most probably ubiquity ;))
[23:15] <GridCube> say miss pleia2
[23:15] <GridCube> :)
[23:16]  * knome says: miss pleia2
[23:16] <GridCube> can i help in anything?
[23:23] <pleia2> ok, so wait
[23:23] <pleia2> Install (auto-resize) in Xubuntu Desktop i386 for Precise Daily links to http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/AlternateResize
[23:24] <pleia2> the 64 bit links to http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/DesktopResize which I assume is correct
[23:24] <knome> ah, yeah :)
[23:24] <knome> most probably
[23:24]  * pleia2 qas the qa
[23:25] <knome> hehe
[23:27] <pleia2> ah, but I see a prerequisite for that one is actually having something to resize ;)
[23:27] <knome> :)=
[23:27] <knome> run a different test first, then resize
[23:28] <knome> that's another thing that doesn't help getting resize-test-results
[23:31] <pleia2> there is all kind of strange greyness on the screen, not sure if it's just vbox weirdness
[23:32] <knome> pleia2, is it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/924909 ?
[23:32] <pleia2> I think so, http://princessleia.com/temp/xubuntu_031012.png
[23:32] <pleia2> more grey happens when I move the window
[23:33] <knome> yuuup!
[23:33] <knome> that's it.
[23:33] <pleia2> I have a background at least, not black
[23:34] <pleia2> ah, someone says that
[23:34] <knome> well yeah, that part is fixed
[23:34] <knome> after we uploaded a wallpaper ;))
[23:34] <pleia2> hehe, that helps
[23:34] <pleia2> ok, so this bug still exists, do I list the bug number into day's test?
[23:34] <knome> yeah
[23:34] <pleia2> ok
[23:34] <knome> but it's not critical
[23:34] <knome> since you can still finish the testcase
[23:34] <pleia2> yep
[23:36] <pleia2> tsk, "arch" reports i686 rather than i386
[23:37] <knome> :)
[23:39] <pleia2> alright, that's all done
[23:41] <pleia2> thanks knome :)
[23:41] <knome> no, thank you :)
[23:46]  * knome switches to wife's laptop with newly installed xubuntu over windows vista \o/
[23:46] <pleia2> \o/
[23:52] <pleia2> the alt installer is such a pretty blue, did you guys do that?
[23:52] <pleia2> the debian one is fugly (I use it /all the time/)