[00:50] <ali1234> the bbc news website has really gone down in quality since they redesigned it
[00:51] <ali1234> "more on this story" is now autogenerated and links to seemingly random other news stories, when it works at all
[00:51] <hamitron> but has it REALLY EVER had good quality content? ;)
[00:52] <ali1234> yes
[00:52] <ali1234> it's still better than slashdot
[00:52] <hamitron> whoopie \o/ :D
[00:53] <hamitron> I've started reading the news on yahoo front page :/
[00:54] <hamitron> should I need, at least I get "important" news like the new Britain's Got Talent judges
[00:54] <hamitron> :\
[00:54] <ali1234> ha ha
[01:22] <Azelphur> http://www.break.com/index/how-to-report-the-news.html
[01:22] <Azelphur> ahahahaha, BBC News in a nutshell
[01:31] <exobuzz> charlie brooker rules
[01:32] <exobuzz> seen his one off "gameswipe" ? his other stuff is good too newswipe/screenwipe
[01:32] <Azelphur> :p
[01:32] <Azelphur> nope
[01:32] <exobuzz> tis worth a looksee.
[01:38] <Azelphur> exobuzz: I'm using a minimal installer on my mums laptop in the hope that it works :p
[01:39] <Azelphur> it wouldn't install from CD because the drive is on the way out and it's too old to install from USB
[01:39] <exobuzz> netboot it ?
[01:39] <exobuzz> :)
[01:40] <hamitron> or could use the mini.iso
[01:41] <Azelphur> hamitron: yea I'm using mini.iso
[01:41] <hamitron> oh, not the command line system install on the alt cd then
[01:41] <hamitron> :)
[01:41] <Azelphur> hehe nope :)
[01:41] <hamitron> I keep meaning to use the mini.iso for all my installs
[01:42] <hamitron> but I haven't got around to setting up apt-proxy or apt-cacher
[02:10] <Azelphur> I havn't set them up either so I'm going from the web xD
[02:10] <Azelphur> I should set up an apt cache though
[02:10] <Azelphur> quite a few Ubuntu machines in this house
[02:10] <hamitron> ok for 1 or 2 machines
[02:11] <hamitron> but I got maybe 8 I want to upgrade to 10.04 on
[02:11] <Azelphur> yea, I have at least 8
[02:11] <Azelphur> xD
[02:11] <hamitron> are you doing full installs?
[02:11] <Azelphur> I was just thinking for upgrades
[02:11] <hamitron> that would be crazy
[02:11] <hamitron> ah
[02:12] <hamitron> all I want to do is basic fresh installs with only LXDE
[02:12] <hamitron> no Gnome and crap
[02:12] <Azelphur> hehe
[04:18] <nigelb> AlanBell: Hi, can you get meetingology to join #ubuntu-in? :)
[04:55] <shauno> 1Gb 'walletex' flash card.  any fun ideas what to do with it?  (currently has gnewsense-live on it, which is pretty useless on my laptop)
[04:57] <shauno> found my fsf membership card over the weekend, and trying to think of something useful for it to do
[07:37] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:53] <shauno> morning moo
[08:12] <Apacheuk> how is everyone this morning?
[08:13] <MooDoo> not 3 bad thanks :) you?
[08:15] <shauno> I just found a picture of my car (which I don't live in the same country as anymore).  sentimental much.  http://files.shaunoneil.com/mini/mini-chev.jpg
[08:42] <diplo> Morning all
[08:45] <MooDoo> mornign
[08:52] <daubers> Morning
[09:00] <BigRedS> G'morning!
[09:01] <shauno> aloha
[09:09] <BigRedS> more people should have coloured shell prompts
[09:13] <shauno> that's a pretty random statement.  mine aren't coloured
[09:14] <shauno> I do have the hostname in every prompt tho.  else I go insane
[09:14] <bigcalm> Morning peeps
[09:15] <BigRedS> ah yeah, it's just when scrolling back up through the output of something run twice with two different inputs I keep missing the join on these machines
[09:15] <BigRedS> so I get the correct bits out of the first, then some of the first and some of the second for the second
[09:15] <BigRedS> of course, I could just be more awake, or use clear more
[09:16] <shauno> my prompts are all machine:path$
[09:16] <shauno> 9am is very possibly your real problem ;)
[09:16] <BigRedS> haha
[09:19] <screen-x> morning :-/
[09:20] <shauno> howdy
[09:22] <andylockran> howdy howdy howdy
[09:22] <MooDoo> mornin
[09:22] <screen-x> sup andylockran
[09:22] <bigcalm> Good evening
[09:22] <shauno> oi!  howdy's my word!
[09:23] <screen-x> bit andylockran has three repeats trademarked
[09:23] <MooDoo> shauno: didn't you say aloha earlier?  which is czajkowski 's word :p
[09:23] <shauno> damn cztab.  she's everywhere
[09:25] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:25] <shauno> of course
[09:25] <shauno> huhu cztab
[09:26] <czajkowski> :)
[09:26] <bigcalm> Good morning czajkowski *hugs* :)
[09:27] <bigcalm> shauno: that's written cz<tab>
[09:27] <shauno> sadly, this is probably my queue to go to sleep
[09:27] <shauno> bigcalm: I proxy my client via irssi-proxy.  sending ^I inline doesn't work
[09:28] <bigcalm> shauno: so nothing can be greater or less than to you? :)
[09:28] <czajkowski> Go into google and search "how to find chuck norris", then click "im feeling lucky"
[09:29] <shauno> bigcalm: I'm not sure.  I try not to make my client-upon-client stack explode intentionally
[09:29] <shauno> (^I is <tab> :p )
[09:29] <MooDoo> czajkowski: i've never done this but i'm guessing its, "no one finds chuck norris, he finds you"??
[09:30] <bigcalm> shauno: I see. I was refering to the literal <tab> characters, not the actual key
[09:30] <bigcalm> pages from Chuck's Beard?!
[09:30] <czajkowski> bigcalm: folks in other channels call me cztab
[09:30] <MooDoo> czajkowski: pmsl it was :)
[09:30] <czajkowski> I blame tdr112
[09:30] <shauno> I blame trying to spell the whole thing on a phone
[09:30] <screen-x> bigcalm: s/<tab>/\t/
[09:30]  * bigcalm sighs ans goes back to work :(
[09:31] <screen-x> bigcalm: more php and mysql?
[09:31] <shauno> ^I is chr(9) is \t
[09:32] <bigcalm> screen-x: such is my lot in life
[09:32] <bigcalm> CakePHP today
[09:32]  * czajkowski hugs bigcalm
[09:32] <bigcalm> \o/
[09:32]  * shauno hugs bigcalm
[09:32] <shauno> equality ftw :p
[09:33] <bigcalm> \o/
[09:33] <screen-x> bigcalm: will you be accompanying your php with some beats?
[09:33] <bigcalm> screen-x: Liquid DnB from http://www.di.fm/
[09:33] <shauno> I don't really mind php.  it's very C-like.
[09:33] <shauno> it's people that mess the whole thing up for everyone
[09:33] <screen-x> DnB \o/
[09:34] <bigcalm> Though I'd just like to point out this thing I pretty much finished last night: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKgglMgroVI
[09:35] <bigcalm> That's the last I'll mutter about it. Until some amazing new feature happens I guess
[09:36] <screen-x> bigcalm: cool :)
[09:36] <screen-x> simple, and finger friendly
[09:36] <bigcalm> screen-x: ta :)
[09:36] <gord> daaaang guys, the average amount paid for the humble indie bundle by linux users dropped from $14.something to $13.something. show some love :) http://www.humblebundle.com
[09:36] <bigcalm> That's the thing. Existing online alarms are not finger friendly
[09:38] <andylockran> anyone see the OpenBSD announcement last night by Theo?
[09:38] <shauno> pft.  linux contributors are over twice the dollar amount by windows'
[09:38] <shauno> and yes.  much discussion of openbsd when I was still awake/sober/et
[09:38] <screen-x> andylockran: what did they announce?
[09:39] <andylockran> screen-x: some guy has emailed them 10 years after doing some work for them, to say that he, and other people he was working with, may have coded backdoors into OpenBSDs IPSEC implementation
[09:39] <andylockran> as they were also on the payroll of an FBI project to do just that.
[09:39] <andylockran> it's only come out now as it's 10 years since, therefore the NDA has now expired.
[09:39] <screen-x> yay, code audit time
[09:40] <andylockran> screen-x: yup
[09:40] <screen-x> and I hope linus and crew do the same, for completeness
[09:40] <BigRedS> I'd hope anyone with that stack does same
[09:41] <BigRedS> er, except me
[09:41] <BigRedS> people upstream of me only :)
[09:44] <gord> huh, did some calculations on the humble indie bundle. by my reckoning nearly 26 thousand linux users have bought the humble indie bundle.. seems crazy that video game makers don't mine the linux crowd more, thar be money in them hills
[09:44] <BigRedS> Especially since, right now, if you release a game for Linux there's a big bunch of people who'll buy it just to demonstrate it's a good idea
[09:50] <popey> andylockran: i wouldn't be surprised if that whole thing was fake
[09:51] <BigRedS> yeah, but I think it still needs to be demonstrated to be so
[09:51] <BigRedS> MS are going to love it :/
[09:51] <bigcalm> popey: touch alarm is useable. Want to play with it?
[09:55] <screen-x> bigcalm: host it on a free aws instance :D
[09:55] <bigcalm> aws?
[09:55] <BigRedS> amazon
[09:55] <BigRedS> (web services)
[09:55] <bigcalm> I'm just about to put it on my bytemark host
[09:55] <bigcalm> BigRedS: ta
[09:56] <popey> not sure I'd use it tbh :)
[09:56] <screen-x> bigcalm: popey requires radio 2 functionality
[09:56] <popey> +12
[09:56] <bigcalm> Hehe
[09:56] <popey> if it streamed R2, you're on a winner
[09:56] <bigcalm> That's on a mental to do list
[09:57] <bigcalm> It's entirely possible
[09:57] <popey> http://bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r2.ask
[09:57] <popey> http://bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r2.asx
[09:57] <popey> job done
[09:57] <popey> is it done yet?
[09:57] <BigRedS> popey supports a rapid development methodology
[09:57] <popey> heh
[09:57] <popey> is it done yet?
[09:58] <screen-x> 1) dictate spec 2) poke 3) is it done yet? yes->end no-> goto 2
[09:58] <bigcalm> Haha
[09:59] <bigcalm> http://idophp.co.uk/touch_alarm/
[10:00] <andylockran> mysql guruus?  I want to check the type of column on a 'session_id' column.  I run show columns from sessions LIKE '%session_id%';
[10:00] <andylockran> is there a way to get that command to query all databases for that column, rather than just the one I'm using
[10:01] <BigRedS> all databases or all tables in that database?
[10:02] <BigRedS> (not that I know how to do either)
[10:02] <andylockran> add databases
[10:02] <andylockran> all*
[10:02] <Mez> SHOW COLUMNS FROM *.* LIKE '%session_id%';
[10:02] <Mez> ?
[10:03] <andylockran> nope, I tried SHOW COLUMNS FROM *.sessions LIKE '%session_id%'; too
[10:03] <Mez> foo.* ?
[10:04] <screen-x> andylockran: prob have to write some sort of loop that selects each database in turn :(
[10:04] <andylockran> screen-x: yeah, no worries - thanks
[10:04]  * Mez is wondering
[10:05] <Mez> SELECT * FROM inforation_schema.COLUMNS WHERE COLUMN_NAME LIKE '%session_id%'; (assuming mysql >5
[10:05] <czajkowski> Mez: I met another meridith!
[10:06] <Mez> czajkowski: A
[10:06] <Mez> czajkowski: Are you saying you met one of my family? Or someone with the same surname as me (assuming you spelt it wrong there)
[10:06] <davmor2> morning all
[10:07] <czajkowski> Mez: same surname
[10:08] <Mez> czajkowski: Did you meet a meredith or meridith ?
[10:08] <Mez> @{
[10:08] <Mez> : P*
[10:09] <czajkowski> Meredith
[10:11] <Apacheuk> andylockran: I no MYSQL expert, now if it was an Oracle database I could tell you in a flash..... but that info (if you are talking about the column datatype) is normally held in a data dictionary on the ddatabase
[10:13] <andylockran> Mez gets 11 points for the prize :)
[10:16] <Mez> czajkowski: cool... Doubt it's any relation though (and meredith isn't that uncommon a surname!)
[10:19] <czajkowski> Mez: he's never met another one!
[10:20] <Mez> Weird...
[10:20] <danfish> morning
[10:20] <czajkowski> oh there will be a Bath meet up on thursday :D
[10:21] <Mez> czajkowski: of Merediths?
[10:21] <danfish> Mez could form his own channel, like thealans :)
[10:21] <gord> oh firefox, how i hate your download window
[10:21] <czajkowski> gord: why ?
[10:21] <czajkowski> Mez: aye
[10:21] <davmor2> gord: just set it too hide :)
[10:22] <Mez> czajkowski: ah well - unfortunately - it's not my family - and I'm busy tomorrow picking up the new car
[10:22] <gord> czajkowski, it never pops up for me for some reason and even if it does. if i want to check my downloads i have to find my firefox download window. who's icon looks precisely the same as the rest of my firefox windows. its just a pain, why can't it be a tab :(
[10:23]  * davmor2 pulls faces at czajkowski
[10:23]  * czajkowski puts  ablack bag over davmor2 face
[10:23] <BigRedS> gord: you can configure it to pop up for you
[10:23] <BigRedS> I use ctrl-shift-y to get it whenever I need it
[10:23] <BigRedS> but looking like not jut another ff window would be nice
[10:23] <Mez> czajkowski: you do know your linkedin profile lists you as
[10:24] <Mez> "Marketing Executive at Sirius Corporation plc at Sirius Corporation plc"
[10:24] <czajkowski> I do now..
[10:24]  * davmor2 suffocates and dies, epitaph to read #blameczajkowski
[10:24] <gord> i installed an add-on so now it opens in a tab \o/
[10:25] <gord> and now i right clicked the tab and pinned it as an application tab \o/
[10:25] <Mez> davmor2: I have a bone to pick with you
[10:25] <gord> i love firefox again
[10:25] <gord> application tabs are great btw :) most under-exposed firefox feature and its wonderful
[10:30] <screen-x> gord application tab? is that like a pinned tab in chrome?
[10:30] <gord> screen-x, i wouldn't know, been a while since i used chrome
[10:32] <screen-x> yeah, looks like it's the same thing.
[10:45] <screen-x> are fstab entries mounted in file order at boot time? is there any dependency resolution?
[10:46] <screen-x> Ie does the init script work out that /var needs to be mounted after /? and /var/vm needs to be mounted after /var..
[10:47] <popey> screen-x: I'd look at the source for "mountall"
[10:47] <popey> !info mountall
[10:55] <screen-x> stripping out all the error handling and organisation, mountall does: mount -a -t proc; mount -a -t noproc,nfs,nfs4,smbfs,cifs,ncp,ncpfs,coda,ocfs2,gfs;  Are ext FSs included implicitly?
[10:59] <screen-x> sorted, from man 5 fstab: "The  order  of  records  in  fstab  is  important because fsck(8), mount(8), and umount(8) sequentially iterate through fstab doing their thing."
[11:00]  * daubers sequentially iterates through time at the rate of 1 second/second
[11:01]  * popey moves away from daubers at the speed of light
[11:02] <daubers> popey: Now I'm not iterating through time in your frame of reference
[11:02]  * screen-x notes that popey's relativistic observations do not affect daubers' real experiences
[11:04] <screen-x> daubers: wouldn't it be strange if you could alter times iterator, so it doesn't always return seconds in sequential order
[11:05] <daubers> screen-x: You just need masses of negative energy :)
[11:05] <bigcalm> What are the chances of my graze box being delivered today? Place your bets!
[11:05] <daubers> screen-x: Or you could skip bits by playing with inertial frames
[11:05] <daubers> bigcalm: Mine wasn't...
[11:05] <daubers> screen-x: You'd need negative energy to get previous elements of the sequence though
[11:06] <bigcalm> daubers: poop!
[11:24] <bigcalm> Anybody know how to play a .asx stream in Chrome? :)
[11:25] <bigcalm> I have the URL for BBC Radio 2...
[11:27] <popey> heheh
[11:29] <dwatkins> Can't you just listen via iplayer, bigcalm?
[11:30] <bigcalm> dwatkins: one could, but I don't want to
[11:30]  * dwatkins hands bigcalm a wind-up radio
[11:30] <bigcalm> :)
[11:31] <bigcalm> dwatkins: it's for this app I wrote for the Joggler: http://idophp.co.uk/touch_alarm/
[11:32] <dwatkins> neat
[11:33] <popey> bigcalm: http://www.jeroenwijering.com/?thread=8360
[11:34] <bigcalm> popey: aha!
[11:34] <bigcalm> Hummmmm
[11:34] <popey> jw player is free for non-commerical use iirc
[11:36] <exobuzz> there is also flowplayer
[11:36] <exobuzz> not used either in a while.
[11:37] <exobuzz> s/radio 2/radio 4 :)
[11:37] <exobuzz> or.. ubuntu uk podcast!
[11:37] <exobuzz> wake up with alan!
[11:38] <bigcalm> HAha
[11:38] <bigcalm> Oooo
[11:38] <bigcalm> I could add Crazy Tune as an alarm sound
[11:38]  * bigcalm hunts for the mp3
[11:39] <dwatkins> I keep meaning to put Morse code ringtones on my phone.
[11:39] <exobuzz> to spell out ?
[11:39] <dwatkins> yeah, exobuzz - so my girlfriend's ringtone would be ...-. . .- .-. -.
[11:40] <dwatkins> It would force me to learn Morse properly.
[11:40] <dwatkins> or at least recognise some names in it.
[11:40] <exobuzz> Nothing to do ?
[11:41] <exobuzz> <3 internets
[11:41] <dwatkins> sorry?
[11:41] <exobuzz> oh wait.. the javascript didnt work
[11:41] <exobuzz> wrong number of chars anyway
[11:41] <exobuzz> haha
[11:41] <exobuzz> it said "nothing to do".
[11:41] <dwatkins> heh
[11:41] <exobuzz> ga.. ill do it manually.
[11:43] <dwatkins> Can anyone direct me to a guide for getting a samba server to work with a fairly standard corporate LDAP configuration for user authentication, please? I have looked online but none of the umpteen guides I've followed seem to get it to work.
[11:44] <exobuzz> what was the first letter?
[11:44] <exobuzz> got e a r n
[11:44] <popey> bigcalm: http://popey.com/~alan/uupc/
[11:44] <exobuzz> l e a r n ?
[11:44] <bigcalm> popey: got it, ta :)
[11:44] <dwatkins> exobuzz: 'F'
[11:44] <popey> :)
[11:44] <bigcalm> popey: it's been on my phone for quite some time now
[11:44] <exobuzz> f e a r n aah
[11:44] <dwatkins> sorry, I put too many dots
[11:45] <exobuzz> heh. well the other letters took me a while with that chart. no job for me at bletchley then.
[11:46] <exobuzz> if i could be arsed to change my ringtone it would be "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYryKa3CQTE" :)
[11:46] <exobuzz> or something
[11:49] <bigcalm> That's Crazy Words - Crazy Tune added as an alarm sound to http://idophp.co.uk/touch_alarm/
[11:49] <bigcalm> :)
[11:49] <bigcalm> I assume that it's out of copyright by now?
[11:53] <bigcalm> Humf, not working on my Joggler
[11:54] <diplo> Snooze normally makes it go off again after 5 mins and a stop button to turn it off ?
[11:58] <bigcalm_> Hazar!
[11:58] <bigcalm_> It does work, but only with a .ogg
[11:59] <bigcalm_> And what's with my connection today?
[11:59]  * bigcalm_ grrs at VirginMedia
[11:59] <MooDoo> bigcalm_: not still the linx issue is it?
[12:00] <bigcalm_> :(
[12:01] <bigcalm_> While checking the Service status with VirginMedia: Sorry, this service isn't working at the moment. Please try again later on.
[12:02]  * bigcalm_ shakes his head
[12:03] <MooDoo> there was a massive outage yesterday at linx in london that caused all isp to have rubbish connectivity :(
[12:03] <bigcalm> Ouch
[12:03] <jpds> Happens.
[12:04] <MooDoo> yeah certainly does
[12:15]  * bigcalm ugs
[12:16] <czajkowski> hmmm interesting http://www.osnews.com/story/24136/_quot_FBI_Added_Secret_Backdoors_to_OpenBSD_IPSEC_quot_
[12:21] <Daviey> ooooooooooold :P
[12:23]  * czajkowski hugs Daviey ello ello stranger
[12:23] <Daviey> czajkowski: oi oi.. keeping well?
[12:23] <czajkowski> grand
[12:23] <Daviey> \o/
[12:24] <czajkowski> Daviey: all set for xmas?
[12:24] <Daviey> no :/
[12:24] <Daviey> you?
[12:24] <czajkowski> I got one pressie ordered yesterday on amazon hoping it arrives now before I leave
[12:24] <czajkowski> other than that, nope diddly squat
[12:29] <Daviey> goody :)
[12:29] <Daviey> czajkowski: I've not received my xmas card from you yet.
[12:29] <czajkowski> clearly ....... in the post
[12:31] <Daviey> pah
[12:32] <czajkowski> don't pah me mister!
[12:41] <davmor2> czajkowski: I've not received mine either if you're handing out xmas cards willy nilly :P
[12:43] <screen-x> Apparently the first iostat result is average since boot, I wondered why it was so different from subsequent outputs..
[12:47]  * czajkowski puts davmor2 back in the bold corner
[12:48] <davmor2> :P
[12:48] <bigcalm> popey: I've managed to integrate jwplayer and it plays the .oggs just fine. Struggling with this .asx for Radio 2
[12:57] <UndiFineD> czajkowski, wisdom tooth ?
[12:57] <bigcalm> Now I'm struggling against crossdomain policy restrictions
[13:02] <czajkowski> UndiFineD: aye
[13:02] <UndiFineD> czajkowski, see a dentist soon ! :)
[13:03] <czajkowski> monday booked in
[13:03] <bigcalm> popey: damn you and your radio 2 :P
[13:03]  * UndiFineD hands czajkowski a box of 500 ibrufen 1000
[13:04] <popey> :)
[13:04] <popey> bigcalm: feel free to give feedback to the bbc
[13:04] <bigcalm> ;)
[13:05] <exobuzz> aah asx is windows audio right? does jwplayer do that then ?
[13:05] <bigcalm> Yes
[13:06] <exobuzz> didnt know.
[13:06] <bigcalm> How does the default o2 system play BBC Radio streams?
[13:06] <exobuzz> aah asx is a playlist..
[13:06] <exobuzz> depends what it has in it i guess though right ?
[13:07] <exobuzz> bigcalm, via another service
[13:07] <exobuzz> forgot the name
[13:09]  * davmor2 trupms UndiFineD with co-dydramol for czajkowski
[13:12] <exobuzz> there is some bbc radio stuff as mp3 streams. for iphone. not sure if its just listen again stuff.
[13:13] <exobuzz> there is also mms://wmlive-acl.bbc.co.uk/wms/bbc_ami/radio4/radio4_bb_live_ep1_sl1 which mplaeyr says is divx audio v2
[13:14] <exobuzz> and they serve up audio over rtmp etc also like their video streams
[13:14] <exobuzz> i maintain http://code.google.com/p/xbmc-iplayerv2/ and have had lots of fights with bbc meta data and their changes over the last year
[13:15]  * popey hugs get_iplayer
[13:15] <popey> and rtmpdump
[13:15] <exobuzz> shame noone has cracked v2 swf verification though. if they move to that. its all over
[13:17] <exobuzz> the current maintainer of rtmpdump certainly has the ability to crack it im sure, but not the interest at least currently
[13:18] <diplo> exobuzz, the screenshot links get a 502 bad gateway when you follow them
[13:18] <exobuzz> so they do..
[13:19] <exobuzz> shame i dont have the originals (i took over this some months back) :/ probably time to make some new ones
[13:19] <diplo> heh, keep meaning to try xbmc again
[13:19] <exobuzz> maybe just one imageshack server is down
[13:19] <exobuzz> thanks for the heads up though
[13:19] <diplo> Can't host the images on the code.google..... pages ?
[13:20] <exobuzz> well i dunno. ive not spent a lot of time with the google code site apart from a few things.
[13:20] <exobuzz> you would think so..
[13:20] <exobuzz> the plugin works better than the wiki page hopefully :)
[13:24] <diplo> heh, will give it a try this weekend
[14:16] <gord> y'know, i love that you can do ctrl+l to type in the location you want in nautilus, but i really hate that it does not understand what ~ means >:(
[14:18] <screen-x> :(
[14:19] <screen-x> I installed nautilus terminal, mostly so I could cd, but it doesn't work, the terminal and the nautilus window loose sync.
[14:19] <gord> did you know that /home/gord/~/.local does not exist?
[14:19] <screen-x> I do now.
[14:28] <screen-x> memtest has taken 3 hours to do 45% of pass 0
[14:29] <dwatkins> that's normaly, isn't it?
[14:30] <screen-x> probably, I'm just impatient.
[14:31] <dwatkins> Depends how much RAM you have, for starters, then the speed...
[14:31] <popey> ..direction of the neutron flow
[14:31] <screen-x> 48G DDR3 1066, North East
[14:32] <dwatkins> You have 48 GB of RAM and you expect a memory test to run quickly?
[14:33] <screen-x> These things are supposed to get faster as well as more capacious...
[14:34] <screen-x> Maybe memtest86 needs some multithreaded goodness
[14:34] <gord> they are! you don't want to know how long it would of taken with old slower ram
[14:35] <dwatkins> faster doesn't mean it all gets faster, it means for a given amount of storage or RAM that accessing it is quicker, the moer RAM you have, the slower it is to read and write it all
[14:35] <dogmatic69> i remember formatting 1 gig hard drives over night
[14:35] <dogmatic69> now you can do a 1TB faster than that
[14:36] <dwatkins> yeah, dd if=/dev/zero of=/$DEVICENAME
[14:36] <dwatkins> DO NOT try this at home, kids
[14:37] <dwatkins> if you want it nice and quick, just do the first 512k, that'll wipe out the partition table and make all your data inaccessible in a few seconds...
[14:37] <dwatkins> ...mkfs shouldn't take very long at-all, after that
[14:37] <daubers> dwatkins: Also remember you'll need to be root :)
[14:37] <dwatkins> daubers: thankfully, yes
[14:37] <popey> shall we refrain from the silly commands? :)
[14:38] <daubers> cat /dev/urandom > /dev/popey
[14:38] <screen-x> popey: and I was just getting to the fork bomb
[14:38] <popey> hey! that's my trick!
[14:38] <daubers> urandom was always my friend for testing soundcards
[14:38]  * popey tickles Daviey
[14:38]  * bigcalm is not feeling the Joggler love this afternoon
[14:39] <gord> during lunch today i enabled map generation on my minecraft server :) http://gordallott.com/img/minecraft.png pretty cool i think
[14:39]  * Daviey giggles like a Gary
[14:39] <bigcalm> gord: coo
[14:40] <gord> the map makes me want to build cities all over it, ala sim city 2000
[14:40]  * popey tickles Gary
[14:40] <popey> I think I may be overdosing on one song on spotify
[14:41] <MartijnVdS> popey: which one?
[14:41]  * dogmatic69 goes to buy minecraft
[14:41] <gord> if its not sledgehammer, then you are overdosing on the wrong track
[14:41] <popey> Home - Edward Sharpe & The Magnetic Zeroes
[14:41] <popey> \o/ dogmatic69
[14:41] <popey> wont see dogmatic69 for the rest of the year
[14:41] <dogmatic69> lol
[14:42] <gord> best buy it quick, on december the 20th its price is gonna rise as it enters beta
[14:42] <dogmatic69> i played once that time when the server was down
[14:42] <bigcalm> Heh, another lost soul
[14:44] <dogmatic69> so pay once, updates are free?
[14:44] <MartijnVdS> popey: have you tried LastFM's "Mix Radio" feature?
[14:45] <popey> i dont really use last.fm
[14:45] <popey> i bought minecraft as a present for my nephew when he was over
[14:45] <popey> he told my wife I was the best uncle ever
[14:45] <MartijnVdS> popey: lastfm://user/popey/mix :)
[14:45] <popey> best 10 quid ever :)
[14:45] <MartijnVdS> popey: destroyer of lives!
[14:45] <popey> heh
[14:45] <popey> that too
[14:46] <dogmatic69> 972 servers, 2444322 registered, 763891 purchases
[14:46] <dogmatic69> 763891 X 10 euro == bucket loads of cash
[14:47] <bigcalm> Goodness
[14:47] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: he's not running all the servers himself, is he?
[14:47] <dogmatic69> no you can run your own i think
[14:47] <dogmatic69> but still, that is 7mill euros
[14:48] <screen-x> I wouldn't have believed anyone who said they could make ~£6.5 million from a java game.
[14:49] <gord> dogmatic69, yup updates free
[14:58] <silner> I was thinking about unity. This seems such an obvious idea, there must be something wrong with it so I wanted to sound it out. Why not make it really easy to switch desktops? The same way we switch screens? Then anyone who didn't like Unity could just go back to Gnome. What's wrong with that idea?
[15:00] <jpds> silner: You can use between Unity and normal GNOME at GDM?
[15:00] <gord> silner, you can? change your session on login
[15:01] <silner> And that will still be the case with 11.04 model?
[15:01] <gord> yup
[15:01] <gord> would be nice if it were more obvious, but gdm isn't easy to deal with anymore
[15:01]  * jpds ⁵ gord.
[15:02]  * MartijnVdS ⁶ *
[15:02] <silner> Yeah I say make that easier and you'll lose most of the objections from people like me (I've moaned a bit about Unity in the past)
[15:03] <gord> patches welcome ;) didrocks is handling this stuff and he has his hands full enough as it is
[15:03] <davmor2> silner: type in you name and a drop down appears underneath with a choice of logins, it's ugly and odd but meh
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> there's the "Classic GNOME" option
[15:04] <silner> That seems pretty easy - not too widely advertised - but easy :)
[15:05] <silner> I want to stay with Ubuntu on one box but I'll only do that if I can avoid Unity, so that's reassuring
[15:05] <popey> silner: every single time unity has come up in discussions I've seen, it's been mentioned that you can switch between unity and classic gnome
[15:06] <bigcalm> It's just not obvious
[15:06] <popey> in fact, i just did a search for unity switch gnome
[15:06] <popey> http://askubuntu.com/questions/10940/can-i-switch-between-gnome-desktop-and-unity
[15:06] <popey> first hit
[15:07] <silner> popey I've obviously been listening to the wrong discussions :)
[15:07] <popey> !podcast
[15:07] <popey> :)
[15:08] <silner> I Gpodder them but I haven't caught up lubotu3 - about  2 behind :(
[15:09] <popey> tut tut
[15:09] <popey> :)
[15:10]  * dwatkins finally manages to get Samba to play nice
[15:10] <screen-x> dwatkins: \o/
[15:11]  * popey wonders if anyone here is following bitcoins
[15:12] <screen-x> only the discussions in #bitfolk...
[15:12] <BigRedS> I've noticed their existance
[15:13] <screen-x> The BigRedSs have borged it into their consciousness
[15:14] <dwatkins> screen-x: very much so - took me 3 days
[15:14]  * silner has never heard of bitcoins before
[15:14] <BigRedS> haha
[15:15] <screen-x> I still don't really get it
[15:15] <popey> me neither
[15:15] <popey> but I'm rich! I have 0.20 BTC!
[15:15] <screen-x> w00t!
[15:22] <daubers> I kind of understand
[15:23] <daubers> it's a currency based on the apparent cost of a given calculation in processor time
[15:23] <popey> yup
[15:23] <daubers> rather than precious metals, like gold
[15:23] <daubers> or stuff that falls out of nuclear reactors
[15:23] <screen-x> so its value goes down over time?
[15:24] <daubers> screen-x: More that it has a peak value as the calculation is modified for odds and sods
[15:24] <BigRedS> yeah, to some already-decided upon level
[15:45] <andylockran> howdy all
[15:45] <andylockran> just got meself a 24" beauty for my revo :)
[15:45] <andylockran> BenQ
[15:45] <andylockran> man, it's pretty
[15:45] <kazade> anyone here know much about Amazon EC2?
[15:46]  * popey points kazade at Daviey
[15:46] <popey> andylockran: photos or it didnt happen
[15:46] <popey> andylockran: vital statistics pls!
[15:46] <Daviey> kazade: i know "some" :)
[15:47] <Azelphur> kazade: I know that anonymous tried to DDoS it, rofl.
[15:47] <Azelphur> Someone clearly wasn't thinking when they came up with that master plan
[15:47] <kazade> Daviey, cool, I've got an EC2 image that I want to basically duplicate
[15:48] <kazade> I notice there is a Create Image button, but I don't know what that does, the Amazon documentation is full of so many abbrievations I can't figure anything out
[15:48] <kazade> (e.g. I need to login to AWS where I have an EC2 running off of EBS and I think I need to create an AMI...)
[15:48] <kazade> it's all like that :/
[15:49] <kazade> I'm trying to work out what an AMI is in relation to EBS... does creating an AMI image create snapshot of the associated EBS data? and does taking an EBS snapshot create a restore point for the EC2 VM? so confused..
[15:51] <Azelphur> that was fun, finally managed to get Ubuntu to install on my mums laptop with a barely functional DVD Drive and no boot from USB support \o/
[15:52] <Daviey> kazade: Can i recommend you join #ubuntu-cloud, and specifically try and grab the attention of smoser
[15:52] <kazade> ok
[15:52] <Daviey> he maintains the ubuntu amazon images.... would have better advice than me :)
[15:52] <kazade> ok cool thanks :)
[15:53] <Daviey> np
[15:54] <Azelphur> Daviey: while your about, My MythTV setup decided it doesn't want to grab EIT data any more
[15:54] <Azelphur>  I don't think I changed anything, just randomly got called down one day because everything is "Unknown"
[15:54] <Daviey> Azelphur: blame apparmor :(
[15:54] <Azelphur> ah, is it a known bug?
[15:55] <Daviey> yeah, mysql + apparmor bug
[15:55] <Daviey> Bug 615177
[15:57] <Azelphur> Daviey: ah, so just sit back and wait for the update then
[15:58] <Azelphur> ty :)
[15:59] <Daviey> heh
[16:30] <bigcalm> popey: did you get a reindeer at the weekend?
[16:30] <popey> uhhhhm
[16:30] <popey> yes
[16:30] <bigcalm> Cool
[16:31] <popey> kids liked it
[16:31] <bigcalm> I hope I get one this week
[16:33] <Nafallo> bigcalm: a kid? :-)
[16:33] <gord> .... reindeer?
[16:33] <bigcalm> Nafallo: yeah, I'll make some gloves from it
[16:33] <Nafallo> O_O
[16:34] <bigcalm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kid_gloves # see Clothing
[16:37] <X3N> Wonder where I can get conductive gloves on the highstreet?
[16:42]  * popey dips X3Ns gloves in water
[16:53] <X3N> hmm, not quite what I was after
[16:58] <davmor2> X3N: Curry digital maybe?
[16:59] <bigcalm> 8bit Rogan Josh please
[16:59] <screen-x> X3N: http://www.agloves.com/pages/Glove-Science.html
[17:01] <dwatkins> X3N: Maplin
[17:02] <dwatkins> http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=508279 - I have a pair of these, X3N, they work fine
[17:03] <popey> ooo
[17:03] <popey> i am going to maplin on the way home
[17:03]  * dwatkins takes off his Maplin beanie
[17:03] <dwatkins> popey: they also sell heated jackets - they take 3 AA batteries (!)
[17:04] <popey> lol
[17:07] <daubers> dwatkins: I can make you a heated jacket with just a few hundred mills of lighter fluid and a match
[17:07] <daubers> Much cheaper :)
[17:08] <dwatkins> daubers: yeah, but it has a bit of a niggling issue of lack of reproducability ;-)
[17:09] <daubers> dwatkins: In other news, it will save you on heating bills for a bit, as the NHS will take over on that front
[17:10] <dwatkins> daubers: do you find yourself staring at lit candles?
[17:11] <screen-x> dwatkins: no, he just holds them up to the curtains
[17:12] <daubers> dwatkins: Pah, candles are for people with no imagination
[17:27] <Azelphur> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1072028678.png
[17:27] <Azelphur> 24mbit internet is so fast these days.
[17:32] <popey> 24mbit internet is as fast as it's always been... 24Mb/s :p
[17:32] <Azelphur> popey: unless it's via BT :p
[17:36] <gord> can someone *other* than bt please come to my town and put in fibre?
[17:36] <gord> in exchange i will agree to give you some money once a month
[17:36] <Azelphur> ^ ditto
[17:36] <Azelphur> gord: have you heard of Orbital/VFast
[17:36] <Azelphur> I'm tempted to try it
[17:36] <popey> move house?
[17:37] <gord> i have not
[17:37] <gord> unfortunately, estate agents still don't provide broadband speed information!
[17:37] <gord> in this day and age!
[17:38] <Azelphur> I know, travesty.
[17:38] <Azelphur> gord: it's wireless, they have masts on top of the telephone exchange
[17:38] <Azelphur> and they stick a directional antenna on your roof.
[17:39] <gord> =\
[17:39] <gord> wireless tends to not work very well at best
[17:39] <Azelphur> gord: that's what I thought, but people are saying it's flawless
[17:40] <gord> until you get a strong gust of wind?
[17:40] <Azelphur> every speed test result I've seen has been HIGHER than what they are paying for
[17:40] <Azelphur> I've also read forum posts saying it was fine even during the recent snow business
[17:40] <bigcalm> There's no business, like ...
[17:41] <Azelphur> gord: I reaqd forum posts people get like 15ms to bbc.co.uk and stuff
[17:41] <Azelphur> gord: http://www.speedtest.net/result/1042674184.png
[17:41] <gord> i just pinged bbc.co.uk, i get 22ms here on 2mbit
[17:41] <Azelphur> exactly
[17:42] <Azelphur> I get about 30 usually
[17:42] <bigcalm> 22ms on 20mb
[17:42] <Azelphur> I keep thinking wireless, eww
[17:42] <Azelphur> but look at these speed test results...it's crazy
[17:42] <Azelphur> gord: http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&biw=1908&bih=1032&gbv=2&tbs=isch:1&sa=1&q=speedtest.net+vfast&btnG=Search
[17:42] <bigcalm> Only works if you have line of sight with the exchange though?
[17:42] <Azelphur> just look at this madness
[17:43] <Azelphur> bigcalm: dunno
[17:43] <popey> i get 11ms to bbc.co.uk
[17:43]  * Azelphur is at the top of a hill \o/
[17:44] <dwatkins> I get 35ms, but I think that's via the US
[17:44] <Azelphur> but yea, with ping times like that and speeds like that
[17:44] <Azelphur> I've never ever seen my 24mbit ADSL do >8mbit
[17:45] <gord> i wouldn't question the speeds of wireless, i would question the stability
[17:46] <jacobw> is there a way of replicating the vim+gcc experience on windows?
[17:46] <popey> yes, there is vim for windows
[17:46] <bigcalm> gvim \o/
[17:46] <popey> and either cygwin or djgpp for gcc-a-like
[17:46] <Azelphur> gord: yea, I read forum posts where a guy said he has no problem rain or shine
[17:47] <jacobw> i've heard of the former, but not of the latter
[17:47] <Azelphur> used it in storms no problem
[17:47] <davmor2> nano ftw
[17:47] <jacobw> i've been struggling with mingw today
[17:47] <gord> Azelphur, people say that about their own wireless right now, yet here in my house the wifi sucks ;)
[17:47] <Azelphur> haha
[17:47] <Azelphur> wifi does suck
[17:47] <Azelphur> but the question is does wifi suck when you have a huge directional antenna on the roof.
[17:47] <jacobw> wifi in my part of the house sucks because of a breeze block wall :(
[17:48] <davmor2> Azelphur: Yes you only need something to block line of sight like say a block of flats :P
[17:49] <Azelphur> hehe
[17:49] <popey> jacobw: djgpp has been around for _years_
[17:49] <popey> made by a guy who works for redhat now on gcc iirc
[17:49] <Azelphur> davmor2: apparently they come out and do a survey to tell you what speeds you'll get if any
[17:49] <Azelphur> so I'm very tempted.
[17:50] <jacobw> popey: it looks a bit abandoned, not thats a reason not to use it
[17:50] <Azelphur> baring in mind my BT connection continually goes ridiculously slow or drops out altogether
[17:50] <Azelphur> tbh the ADSL connection I'm on has to be less stable than wireless
[17:50] <Azelphur> it drops like every day
[17:50] <jacobw> my BT connection seems to run at either 6.5Mb/s or 0.9Mb/s
[17:50] <Azelphur> lol
[17:51]  * davmor2 hugs his virgin box
[17:51] <Azelphur> davmor2: no virgin for miles around here :(
[17:52] <jacobw> my local exchange was on the list of ones to be upgraded to SFBB as well :(
[17:52] <jacobw> it hasn't happen yet though
[17:53]  * jpds prods jacobw to PM.
[17:54]  * andylockran heads off to the Rugby @ Damson Park.  No mascotting tonight - I'm on the PA.
[17:57] <X3N> uh huh
[18:10] <dogmatic69> can anyone tell me how to make a lamp thingy
[18:10] <dogmatic69> (minecraft that is)
[18:11] <popey> stick and coal
[18:11] <popey> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Crafting
[18:11] <dogmatic69> i got 4 sticks :/
[18:11] <popey> ok, stick, put coal on stick
[18:11] <dogmatic69> ye im on that site
[18:12] <popey> you should watch seananners videos
[18:12] <popey> from the start
[18:12] <popey> they're good fun
[18:12] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/user/SeaNanners
[18:12] <dogmatic69> cool
[18:12] <popey> start with #1
[18:12] <popey> :)
[18:12] <dogmatic69> this shit gets scary when it goes dark :/
[18:14] <dogmatic69> how does the multi player stuff work? just like when you alone but more people
[18:14] <gord> dogmatic69, yup
[18:15] <gord> fyi, i have firefox global menus and they are awesome
[18:16] <dogmatic69> ?
[18:17] <popey> dogmatic69: you can switch off the enemies :)
[18:17] <dogmatic69> na
[18:17] <dogmatic69> its cool
[18:18] <dogmatic69> i think i got the basics now, so i wont die any more
[18:18] <davmor2> gord: :D
[18:48] <bigcalm> I'm being lazy and playing in peacful for now
[18:52] <paln> Hey!
[18:57] <paln> Hello?
[18:58]  * paln thinks they are alone...
[19:12]  * AlanBell thinks there are lots of people here
[19:12] <paln> AlanBell: hello!
[19:12] <AlanBell> hello paln
[19:13] <AlanBell> how is your 386?
[19:13] <paln> What are you doing?
[19:13] <AlanBell> or whatever it was :)
[19:13] <paln> ;)
[19:13] <paln> do you like HSR, then?
[19:13] <paln> i'm guessin...
[19:14] <AlanBell> I am being happy because I have got a cooker again after a bit of a disaster
[19:14] <AlanBell> and now we are cookin' on induction
[19:14] <paln> Well, anyways, Xubuntu kept crashing during the install process, and after reading a bit aobut Lubuntu, the ISO is currently downloaded to my laptop right now...!
[19:15] <paln> It's about 23% done, 22 minutes left... :/
[19:17] <AlanBell> paln: can the computer accept more memory?
[19:17] <paln> meaning...?
[19:18] <AlanBell> if you find out exactly the spec of the memory it could take you could try asking here or emailing your local LUG to see if anyone has any lying about they would be happy to send you
[19:18] <paln> oh...
[19:18] <paln> Well, I plan on getting 2GB RAM sometime this or next week
[19:18] <AlanBell> most people who have been messing with computers for years have a box of bits of memory and usefull looking stuff
[19:19] <paln> ...and what's a "LUG"?
[19:20] <AlanBell> Linux user group
[19:20] <paln> ahhh...!
[19:20] <AlanBell> http://lugs.org.uk/
[19:20] <paln> thanks
[19:22] <paln> Do you think my wireless adapter would be compatible with Lubuntu?
[19:23] <paln> It's a NetGear WG111v3...
[19:28] <paln> Are you there, AlanBell ?
[19:33] <paln> Hey Darael and aaronr !
[19:33] <Darael> Hullo, paln.
[19:35] <paln> How are you guys?
[19:38] <Darael> Reasonably well, if a little tired.  Quite full, at the moment, which is a rarity.  Not due to food-availability problems, I hasten to add, but due to a stupid metabolism.
[19:38] <aaronr> hey paln
[19:38] <paln> um...ok
[19:39] <paln> aaronr: hi!
[19:39] <paln> so, what are you guys here for...anything in particular?
[19:44] <orothus1> paln: try plugging it in when using the cd it should work
[19:45] <jacobw> idle relay chat
[19:45] <Darael> Well, I'm here because the conversation is often entertaining, and occasionally I get to help someone.
[19:47] <paln> orothus1: I mean with Lubuntu...
[19:47] <jacobw> if it works with Linux it'll work with Lubuntu
[19:47] <paln> My Lubuntu CD is burning atm.
[19:47] <orothus1> are you going to use a live cd
[19:48] <paln> I don't know if it's a Live-CD or not...
[19:48] <paln> Well, I'm sure to find out soon enough!
[19:49] <mattt> lubuntu?
[19:51] <orothus1> if it is,run the cd and just plug your adapter in you should get some form of information that it is detected.
[19:51] <paln> cool
[19:51] <paln> but i kinda knew that anyway
[19:52] <paln> about 9.5 mins left!
[19:52] <jacobw> if you run `lsusb` when you have the live cd running it'll help determine the chipset of your wireless adapter
[19:53] <orothus1> ah that was something i missed
[19:55] <paln> i was just reading a post on UbuntuForums.org and 'lsusb' was mentioned, but why would I need to know the chipset anyway?
[19:55] <paln> Well, the adapter works on Windows...Millenium Edition and Vista
[19:55] <ali1234> because drivers for linux work based on the chipset not the branding
[19:55] <paln> Lubuntu going on the ME computer
[19:56] <paln> ohh... that changes EVERYHTING ali1234
[19:56] <orothus1> some manufacturers change the chipset in a product without telling anybody
[19:56] <ali1234> also many manufacturers use the same chipsets which means you only need 1 driver for all of them
[19:56] <paln> I'm running Ubuntu now so I might as well do it now anyway...
[19:56] <ali1234> unlike on windows, where the driver also includes a bunch of crap that advertises the manufacturer's name constantly
[19:57] <orothus1> suddenly they start working
[19:57] <ali1234> the most obvious example of this is bluetooth
[19:58] <orothus1> if it works on ubuntu its highly likely to work on lubuntu
[19:58] <paln> Turning off my wireless now...gonna be disconnected!
[21:15] <gareth_> join
[21:15] <gareth_> join #ebookz
[21:29] <tejaishot> i have a problem when i am trying to install updates...shows an error connection to daemon lost....what is this called?
[21:31] <tejaishot> Azelphur: can you help me?
[21:33] <tejaishot> AlanBell:i have a problem when i am trying to install updates...shows an error connection to daemon lost....what is this called?
[21:50] <czajkowski> aloha
[21:52] <AlanBell> hi czajkowski
[21:53] <daubers> o/
[21:54] <Mez> Any advice from anyone for first time motorway driving?
[21:56] <czajkowski> don't drive very slow, obey the limit
[21:57] <daubers> Mez: DON'T SIT IN THE MIDDLE LANE!!!
[21:57] <daubers> </pet peeve>
[21:57] <daubers> Oh, and be confident when you join from the slip lane :)
[21:58] <Mez> daubers: but - I'm always sitting when in a car.
[21:58] <daubers> Mez: Indeed
[21:58] <czajkowski> 3 people meeting tomorrow in Bath :D yay
[21:58] <Mez> so - if I go through the middle lane, or do anything...
[21:58] <Mez> I'm sitting...
[21:58] <Mez> in it...
[21:59] <daubers> Mez: Yes, just don't drive in the middle lane if the left hand lane is empty
[22:00] <daubers> It's very annoying and means that someone may have to move across two lanes to overtake and then move back two lanes. Also means that you're now setting the speed for the first two lanes
[22:00] <daubers> So if you go slow, technically the others should be too (as undertaking isn't allowed)
[22:01] <daubers> and all the overtaking traffic is now funnelled into the far right lane
[22:01] <daubers> Which can cause everyone else to slow down
[22:01] <daubers> all because some people refuse to move back into the left hand lane when it's empty!!!!!
[22:02] <Mez> daubers: I wouldn't be doing that anyways.
[22:03] <Mez> Could be fun though - my entrance will be spaghetti junction!
[22:03] <daubers> Mez: Good good :)
[22:03] <daubers> Mez: Oooh m6 in birmingham.... that'll be pleasant....
[22:04] <Mez> Lol - M6 J6 -> M42 J10
[22:04] <daubers> You'll be fine. Be sat in traffic most of the time :)
[22:05] <Mez> I could, in theory, just take the A road
[22:05] <Mez> s
[22:06] <Mez> Which is "shorter"
[22:06] <Mez> but more time.
[22:11] <jacobw> you should do pass plus
[22:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> Mez: One point I'd make if you are not very familiar with Motorway driving is this. If the road if running well, make sure you *accelerate* down the slip road when entering the motorway so you are travelling at a similar speed to the traffic in the inside lane.
[22:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> It isn't really a Give-Way on a motorway; it's more of a "merge" to use an american term for this kind of junction.
[22:38] <AlanBell> Mez: leave the brakes alone unless you really need to slow down fast. In traffic if you want more space in front of you just let go of the accellerator and the car will slow down plenty quick enough, no need to put the brake lights on and scare the person behind you.
[22:42]  * Azelphur is having fun :p
[22:43] <Azelphur> about 4 months ago I tried to have a conversation with my dad along the lines of "My mums using the net, we're getting lodgers, we already come close to our 60GB usage cap, it's not going to be enough"
[22:43] <Azelphur> his reply was pretty much "F*** off"
[22:43] <Azelphur> now it's happened, he's throttled into the floor and can't work, I'm chilling out laughing 3g tethering on my android.
[22:43] <Azelphur> :)
[22:44] <jacobw> lorries don't like people entering from slip roads in front of them
[22:51] <AlanBell> only if it causes them to slow down, they don't like losing momentum
[22:54] <exobuzz> the public ftp server on my home adsl did 300gb last month. bloody leechers!
[22:55] <exobuzz> i thought about the new bt infinity, but they have a 300gb limit. so that would leave me with 0 unless i switched off the ftp.. but with more upstream, it would be easier to use more
[23:03] <Mez> ty TOS / AlanBell
[23:04] <Mez> One of the tips I've been given - don't use Cruise control (until you're used to it)
[23:06] <stuphi> Mez: If you can have an experianced driver with you for an extra pair of eyes, that would be good.
[23:06] <Mez> stuphi: I've got to get to the place with the experienced driver :(
[23:07] <Mez> (I may take A roads for most of it - then just do the one junction on the motorway.
[23:08] <stuphi> Mez: The fact that you are thinking carefully about this means you will probably be ok.
[23:08] <Mez> stuphi: 2 of my colleagues ended up on the motorway without knowing it.
[23:08] <Mez> One within 15 mins of passing his test
[23:08] <Mez> the other - an hour and a half :P
[23:09] <stuphi> Mez: I just went straight to the motorway after dropping off my instructer after my test.
[23:09] <Mez> Lol - I passed monday -  dont get my car till tomorrow - so couldn't do that
[23:09] <Mez> Though - I should go to bed.
[23:10] <stuphi> Congrats on passing.
[23:10] <Mez> Even though I'll probably not sleep (I'm a little bit little kid excited :P )
[23:10] <Mez> Thanks :D
[23:10] <stuphi> Don't do the Motorway if it is windy.
[23:11] <stuphi> Mez: What car are you getting?
[23:17] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ralph Janke] AskUbuntu reaches 5000 questions - 11000 answers - 7000 users - 50000 votes - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/askubuntu-reaches-5000-questions-11000-answers-7000-users-50000-votes
[23:31] <andylockran> Mez: congrats on the passing of teh test
[23:31] <andylockran> you owe me a lift :p
[23:38] <andylockran> I could do with some dns help if anyones around?
[23:38] <andylockran> dig zrmt.com  dig ns zrmt.com and nslookup zrmt.com ns1.whatisfloss.co.uk
[23:39] <andylockran> run those three commands, does that make sense?
[23:49] <andylockran> ah, think I've sorted it.


[14:06] <meena> "In contrast, over 1,000 regexes have exponential behavior in Ruby, Java, JavaScript, and Python, and polynomial behavior is also more common in those languages." — https://ar5iv.labs.arxiv.org/html/2105.04397
[14:07] <meena> we might wanna review our usage of regexes


[04:24] <johndow> I am having an issue.  My desktop has Ubuntu 13.10 on it.  I am trying to install Lubuntu from a USB bootable drive and also a CD....both the USB and the CD...boot fine..ask me what language I want to use, I choose English, after this, I see a cursor flash a few times in the upper left of the screen, and then it goes black and nothing else happens.
[04:24] <johndow> I have redownloaded the iso, reburt it twice. I have checked the MD5, its the same.
[04:25] <johndow> Why won't this thing keep going with the installation?
[04:25] <johndow> I have also attempted Xubuntu, and it does exactly the same thing.
[04:26] <johndow> So, its probably not lubuntu related, but some other issue, any ideas?
[04:26] <ianorlin> is it the correct architexture?
[04:26] <johndow> Yes.
[04:27] <johndow> Standard PC 32-bit
[04:27] <johndow> i386.iso
[04:27] <johndow> ianorlin, I am proud you are here.
[04:28] <johndow> I have a Windows 7 CD laying around, I popped it in there, and it wants to install that fine....
[04:29] <ianorlin> and your computer booted 13.10 32 bit fine
[04:29] <johndow> ianorlin, Yes, Ubuntu 13.10 is running on it now.
[04:29] <ianorlin> !purelxde
[04:29] <ianorlin> and then upgrade could work
[04:30] <johndow> I see the screen, that gives me the options, to try lubuntu first, install lubuntu, check disk for errors, etc.
[04:30] <johndow> when i choose install lubuntu
[04:30] <johndow> then i choose english
[04:30] <johndow> then nothing.
[04:30] <ianorlin> there is an option to install from live session but might be a little slower
[04:31] <ianorlin> if for some reason the install at doesn't work
[04:31] <johndow> Maybe I can try that.
[04:31] <johndow> I have not tried that yet.
[04:31] <johndow> I am not sure that link there will work for me.
[04:31] <johndow> getting back to pure lubuntu...i've never had lubuntu
[04:31] <johndow> nothing to get back to
[04:33] <johndow> but neither the lubuntu or the xubunto will go past the english screen
[04:33] <johndow> but anyway, i will try to use the live cd, and install from there and see how that goes.
[09:31] <onla> what web browsers are you guys using? The default firefox doesn't remember tabs from my last time, and I am thinking of installing chrome or chromium. The software chenter only finds chromium, but I heard that it doesn't have integrated flash player
[10:00] <JohnDoe_71Rus> onla: tab mix plus extension
[10:21] <hateball> onla: you can get flash with the pepperflash installer
[10:22] <hateball> in chromium, that is
[10:22] <hateball> onla: pepperflashplugin-nonfree
[10:31] <profus2> hi everybody
[10:31] <profus2> is anyone on 14.04 and using rdp to connect to wts server?
[10:31] <profus2> default one does not work here
[10:32] <profus2> and  remmina does not stop crashing :-(
[10:34] <JohnDoe_71Rus> http://www.webupd8.org/2014/05/fresh-player-plugin-pepper-flash.html alfa
[11:59] <profus2> is anyone on 14.04 and using rdp to connect to wts server?  default rdp client (vinagree)  does not work here
[11:59] <profus2> and  remmina does not stop crashing :-(
[12:00] <profus2> any suggestions, how to solve this problem?
[12:01] <leszek> profus2: vncviewer perhaps. There are dozens of them some has to work
[12:03] <profus2> @leszek: need rdp protocol
[12:03] <profus2> vinagree stopped working after upgrading to 14.04
[12:03] <leszek> ah hmm...
[19:30] <onla> anyone get siliverlight working in chrome?? I installed the pipelight, but the silverlight works only on firefox, chrome says "install silverlight" when I try open silverlight video
[19:30] <onla> oops.. two ?'s
[19:32] <wxl> onla: that's microsoft garbage, sorry
[19:32] <wxl> onla: there's a mono implementation of it called moonlight or something but i don't even think it's in the repos anymore
[19:32] <onla> just that I can watch this one finnish tv online from silverlight stream only damn :I
[19:32] <wxl> onla: anyone that's actively developing with silverlight is probably using the latest version and that mono implementation doesn't really well support that
[19:33] <onla> pipelight seems to be a new thing for that .. many 2013 posts on it, but still I can't get it to work on chrome
[19:33] <Unit193> I'd guess it's because chrome is PPAPI only now and not NPAPI?
[19:33] <wxl> onla: please consult the broadcasters and remind them that microsoft is the devil :)
[19:34] <wxl> i see you need to have wine
[19:34] <wxl> i trust yo uhgave that installed?
[19:34] <onla> Unit193, oh ok. I wonder if I shuold find more people like me from google though :)
[19:34] <onla> yep
[19:34] <wxl> ew and you need a usage agent switcher too
[19:34] <wxl> sheesh
[19:35] <onla> ye, no help with that either
[19:35] <onla> well, I guess I'll carry on for my next thing
[19:35] <wxl> i trust you followed http://fds-team.de/cms/pipelight-installation.html ?
[19:35] <onla> still need to install usb dvb-t dongle and set it up, and usb wlan adapter
[19:36] <onla> yup
[19:36] <wxl> seems like pretty complete instructions
[19:36] <onla> or actually on another page first, but then checked this page later. Actually I did install those first which are now under warning in that page
[19:37] <onla> maybe I'll remove and try re-install
[19:38] <wxl> there is a pipelight channel here
[19:38] <wxl> go chat with them :)
[19:49] <onla> Unit193 was right. They say there that chrome version 35 has dropped NPAPI support and in fact just couple hours ago
[19:49] <onla> I am running the chrome beta so I have the new stuff on me
[19:52] <onla> at the end of this year that support is going to be dropped from windows chrome too.. interesting, maybe silverlight will lose the öast bits of popularity it managed to get
[22:14] <vjacob> hi all. my Lubuntu desktop environment is not showing/loading/crashing. how can I do a simple reinstall of all relevant packages for default X11 environment including standard Lubuntu window manager, etc?
[22:15] <vjacob> tried to google but none of the suggestions seem applicable in my case
[22:16] <vjacob> (LXDE I take it, no?)
[22:18] <vjacob> ...ok
[22:19] <IdleOne> you can try sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[22:19] <vjacob> "lubuntu-desktop is already the newest version"
[22:19] <vjacob> no errors also
[22:20] <IdleOne> alright, so what video card do you have?
[22:21] <vjacob> Intel 945GM
[22:21] <vjacob> I think that it's worked before - not sure what changed this time around though
[22:22] <IdleOne> you might check in /var/log and see if anything pops out at you.
[22:22] <vjacob> is there any command to force reinstall every package related here?
[22:22] <IdleOne> but that card should just work
[22:24] <vjacob> be back in a bit
[22:46] <john_rambo> Hi I have selected Firefox as the default browser in default applications for lxsession but when I click on a link Epiphany opens ...How to fix this ?
[22:47] <wxl> john_rambo: for one, uninstall epiphany ;)
[22:47] <wxl> john_rambo: seriously, use update-alternatives and that should fix you up
[22:47] <wxl> john_rambo: e.g. use firefox as x-www-browser
[22:48] <john_rambo> why ? is epiphany insecure ?
[22:48] <john_rambo> wxl:
[22:49] <wxl> john_rambo: do you find it useful?
[22:50] <john_rambo> wxl: I need a second browser and chromium wont work in 14.04 ....Cant type anything on it
[22:51] <wxl> john_rambo: xombrero's as secure as it gets and very light
[22:52] <john_rambo> Installing ...


[11:42] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:38] <Mamarok> oh brilliant, now I have no sound whsatsoever, niether the built-inb audio card nor the USB plug card are seen on Groovx :-(
[12:38] <Mamarok> at least Plasma loads correctlx now, nut why is the sound gone?
[12:39] <BluesKaj> Mamarok, intel audio ?
[12:39] <Mamarok> yes
[12:39] <BluesKaj> not the usb, but the onboard
[12:40] <Mamarok> yes
[12:41] <BluesKaj> Mamarok, if you upgraded to a new kernel lately then perhaps the old intel bug is in effect, sometimes the driver doesn't load
[12:42] <Mamarok> oh crap, yes, that's the -21 kernel, the 20 had serious problems loading everything, now at least it is jsut the sound
[12:42] <BluesKaj> so run sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel, if it loads properly there will be no output from the command, then a reboot might be needed
[12:42] <Mamarok> meaning I have external keyboard and mouse working now and Plasma loads correcltly, which the -20 kernel never did
[12:43] <Mamarok> let me check
[12:44] <Mamarok> btw, how can I make sure the WiFi card is activate on startup? That is another thing which is highly annoying since 20.04
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Mamarok, I have the same network start problem with my laptop. clicking on the netwoek manager and choosing your listed router should worl. i haven't found a method yet to tell network manager to autoconnect wifi
[12:49] <Mamarok> right, let's reboot to try getting some sound...
[12:54] <Mamarok> good, sound is back, but the Plasma loading issues are back as well, maybe some conflicts on startup? takes roughly 25 seconds to load the panel
[12:56] <Mamarok> the externsl sound card is not seen at all, strsngelyx I can sue the buttons on it to change the volume, but the sound card doesn't appear in the devices list
[12:57] <BluesKaj> run lsusb to se if the external sound card is listed
[12:57] <BluesKaj> see
[12:59] <Mamarok> it is listed
[12:59] <BluesKaj> perhaps it shows with F6 in alsamixer
[13:00] <BluesKaj> you can choose it there
[13:00] <Mamarok> yes, that works, now let's see if that helps...
[13:02] <Mamarok> doesn't help, though, I can't get any output through it, or do I need to reload Plasma?
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[13:05] <BluesKaj> Mamarok, you may need to choose it in pavucontrol as well
[13:07] <Mamarok> it still doesn't show in pavucontrol :-(
[13:09] <BluesKaj> hmm, wonder if it needs to be chosen in the efi/bios
[13:09] <BluesKaj> that's a bit of a pita tho
[13:10] <Mamarok> oh my, that would be a first, that just worked previouslx, why would this have changed= I have never chosen a soundcard in the Bios on this machine
[13:10] <Mamarok> having to choose USB plugs in  the bios makes no sense
[13:12] <BluesKaj> ok, well then my knowledge about outboard sound is rather limited, unless you know how to use jack, something i have no clue about
[13:14] <Mamarok> I think I will leve it for now, at least it recognized the HDMI output again so I have sound on the display
[13:14] <Mamarok> waiting for the new laptop to arrive and see if the idsues persist on the AMD machine
[13:14] <BluesKaj> what do you use the outboard audio for?
[13:16] <Mamarok> I plug in the external speakers and microphone, as the laptop sound card is rather very basic and has no wayx to plug in external speakers
[13:18] <BluesKaj> can't you plug the external speakers into the audio out on the laptop?
[13:19] <BluesKaj> same place where you plug the neadphones
[13:19] <BluesKaj> headphones
[13:19] <Mamarok> yes, but then I would ahve to plug in the headphonbes on the speakers aas well for the mic, whcih is a bit of a cable mess
[13:19] <BluesKaj> true
[13:20] <Mamarok> also I have better sound through that external sound card
[13:21] <BluesKaj> sometimes intel audio distorts the input audio volume if it goes above 80% in alsamixer
[13:26] <Mamarok> true, and even a cheap external card is better in that regard
[13:26] <Mamarok> looking forward to that AMD machine... hopefull arriving next week
[13:26] <BluesKaj> ryzen?
[13:27] <Mamarok> yes, Ryzen5, the 7 laptop ones are not available until next year
[13:33] <BluesKaj> i use a hdmi to my avreceiver from this pc, but it's spdif so it's a totally digital stream thru the onboard intel audio, so the D/A conversion doesn't happen in the pc at all and the audio is really quite clean on all codecs. I don't use my laptop for audio listening at all.
[13:34] <BluesKaj> this setup is basically a HTPC
[14:35] <BluesKaj> getting an occasional FF freeze up here, any ideas?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> on GG
[18:01] <ricktimmis> A kubuntu user emailed the list about no Sudo for Dolphin or Kate. I've managed to solve kate using sudoedit, any ideas on how to approach file management with sudo ?
[18:07] <Mamarok> oh well, it's a KDE decision, advanced users can always handle their files with the command line
[18:08] <Mamarok> it's too risky for most users to have sudo access in Dolphin, the risk of actully totally ruining their system is too high, I think it's legit not to make this too easy to use
[18:08] <ricktimmis> Yes, I read Martins blog which makes sense.
[18:09] <Mamarok> and experienced users know how to circumvent that anyway
[18:09] <ricktimmis> I was thinking of perhaps having an admin file manager solution in the K Menu. Obviously not Dolphin
[18:09] <ricktimmis> Yes that is a good point
[18:10] <ricktimmis> The user who emailed pointed out that they don't want to use the CLI for this.
[18:10] <Mamarok> they don't have to, but as I said, if they know what they are doing they have sudo access on the GUI
[18:11] <Mamarok> I remember back in RedHat 5 times the root GUI was dark red overall :-)
[18:11] <ricktimmis> Wow! Red Hat 5
[18:11] <ricktimmis> That is a long time ago
[18:11] <ricktimmis> I think I started with RH7
[18:12] <ricktimmis> I was using SuSe before that
[18:12] <Mamarok> that was my first Linux installation, and it took me like 3 months to get X working
[18:12] <Mamarok> then I switched to SuSE too
[18:12] <ricktimmis> Yeah, I tried Mandrake which I got in a box with about 12 3.5 disks
[18:12] <ricktimmis> Never got it workingh
[18:12] <Mamarok> only to develop a deep hatred for Yast...
[18:13] <ricktimmis> I still have found feeling for SuSe
[18:13] <Mamarok> and then I tried Debian, and soon discovered Sid and as happy for a long time
[18:13] <Mamarok> was
[18:13] <Mamarok> with some experiments with Gentoo and Mandrake, and Mepis
[18:15] <ricktimmis> Similar deal here Mandrake 'Fail' -> SuSe (Yay! ) RedHat (Yat! ) -> Gentoo ( Ouch, Ooo, Fail, fix, Yay!) - Debian -> Ubuntu -> Kubuntu ( Home )
[18:19] <ricktimmis> Ah ha
[18:19] <ricktimmis> Thanks @Mamarok - Found a pkexec solution based upon your hint
[18:19] <ricktimmis> Now I feel like I know what I am doing
[18:42] <Mamarok> ;-)


[06:30] <knome> a wild micahg appears
[06:31] <flocculant> reminded by knome's early morning appearance, flocculant checks dev tracker for qa blueprint and is sad
[06:32] <knome> hmm
[06:32] <knome> interesting then
[06:32] <knome> and meh
[06:32] <flocculant> yup not sure there :)
[06:32] <flocculant> wonder if it's because not tasks on that yet?
[06:32] <flocculant> just whiteboard
[06:32] <knome> oh
[06:33] <knome> yes, very likely
[06:33] <knome> :P
[06:33] <flocculant> that's easy then - we can keep the bp off the tracker \o/
[06:33] <flocculant> back to waking up
[06:34] <knome> i don't remember much any more, but i think there was something about LP not mentioning the whole blueprint in an API call if only the whiteboard existed
[06:34] <knome> but i might remember wrong...
[06:35] <knome> one thing that has been broken for a bit is the assignee dropdown
[06:35] <knome> and i have again no idea why
[06:36] <flocculant> will check again - got tasks now
[06:36] <knome> yup
[06:36] <knome> let me run the script manually
[06:38] <knome> now this gets interesting
[06:39] <flocculant> you've broken it?
[06:39] <knome> i have no idea
[06:39] <knome> again it's a long time since i touched this
[06:40] <flocculant> :)
[06:43] <knome> well there it si
[06:43] <knome> is
[06:43] <knome> i'll call it on LP API slowness this time
[06:43] <knome> but the assignee stuff is still borked
[06:44] <flocculant> yup
[06:44] <knome> but that's no surprise :P
[06:44] <knome> oh hello password
[06:44] <flocculant> didn't use that bit much (if ever other than testing) personally
[06:45] <knome> yeah
[06:45] <knome> the filtering works though
[06:45] <knome> and the data is correctly in the db...
[06:45] <flocculant> probably more useful :)
[06:45] <flocculant> and it's not like we never have meetings
[06:45] <knome> yes
[06:46] <flocculant> or at least talk to each other :D
[06:46] <knome> mhm
[06:46] <knome> and interesting
[06:57] <knome> sigh
[06:57] <knome> just sigh
[06:58] <knome> le sigh of the sighs
[06:58] <knome> now it works
[06:58] <knome> no wonder it wasn't working
[06:58] <knome> i was poking at code that wasn't ran on production
[06:58] <knome> because... i just was
[06:58] <knome> oh well!
[06:59] <flocculant> you fed it didn't you :p
[06:59] <knome> mhm
[07:23] <knome> flocculant, contr docs should be fixed now...
[07:24] <knome> next fix the logo in them
[07:24] <knome> ..
[07:24] <flocculant> ok - thanks
[07:24] <knome> well actually hmm
[07:24] <knome> nvm that comment
[07:24] <knome> that's for 1804 :P
[07:24] <knome> anyway, if you see anything weird there, let me know
[07:25] <flocculant> re that - not doing facebook till I have a cover image for it - seems wrong to have different logos next to each other
[07:25] <knome> yes
[07:25] <flocculant> phew
[07:25] <flocculant> we agreed :D
[07:25] <knome> so you'll need a logo and a cover photo
[07:25] <flocculant> yup
[07:25] <knome> let me check how it looks now in full
[07:26] <knome> right
[07:27] <knome> so the new logo didn't make *any* splash on twitter
[07:27] <knome> good i guess
[07:29] <flocculant> :)
[07:29] <knome> flocculant, if you try to make this the cover photo, does it look bad or good? https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_banners/430282295/1453414413/1500x500
[07:29] <flocculant> no time now - just off to work, will check later - after I've got the current one to revert to :)
[07:30] <knome> :)
[07:30] <knome> that then -> https://scontent.fhel1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/523898_392463877469192_753070295_n.jpg?oh=c9c2cb328f7250cbf2b2b2ea6d033ada&oe=5A7734DC
[07:31] <flocculant> ok - thanks - will look this afternoon :)
[07:31] <knome> sure, no hurry
[07:31] <knome> i could theoretically make sure the image works by then too
[07:40] <knome> flocculant, ygm re: fb images
[11:15] <flocculant> knome: ack
[11:15] <flocculant> why that cover?
[11:24] <flocculant> other than it not needing to be changed because something in 'it' changes
[11:30] <flocculant> knome: did you want to lose the text in the current cover?
[14:35] <knome> flocculant, we have the same on twitter
[14:35] <knome> flocculant, we can revisit at some point
[14:35] <flocculant> knome: ack - doing that now then
[14:36] <knome> ta :)
[14:37] <flocculant> https://www.facebook.com/xubuntuusers/
[14:51] <knome> the logo looks like the old one on my phone
[14:53] <knome> å
[14:53] <flocculant> downloaded what you mailed me then uploaded it there
[14:53] <flocculant> no idea what it is other than that :D
[14:53] <knome> i'll lookon desktop lter :P
[14:54] <flocculant> okey doke
[19:57] <flocculant> knome: didja look?
[19:58] <knome> no
[19:58] <knome> but looking now
[19:59] <knome> nope, it's still the old one
[19:59] <knome> or to be clear: the cover photo is ok
[19:59] <knome> the profile picture not
[20:03] <flocculant> loks the same to me as the one in the Updated Xubuntu logo mail
[20:04] <knome> you mean *exactly* same or sameish?:P
[20:04] <flocculant> send it me again
[20:04] <flocculant> sameish
[20:04] <knome> heh
[20:04] <flocculant> eg the whiskers look right
[20:04] <knome> yep
[20:04] <knome> but they look wrong to me
[20:04] <knome> ygm
[20:05] <flocculant> we can play the game till one of us dies - all I'm doing is uploading what you send :D
[20:05] <knome> in the mail they look fine
[20:05] <knome> but in fb they look not fine
[20:05] <knome> so maybe it can be some weeeeird fb thingy
[20:05] <flocculant> ha ha ha ha
[20:05] <flocculant> got the mail
[20:05] <knome> eg. because i'm not logged in...
[20:06] <flocculant> oh maybe
[20:06] <knome> but why would they show me "your" old profile pic even then?
[20:07] <flocculant> who knows
[20:07] <knome> the who?
[20:07] <flocculant> what about now?
[20:07] <flocculant> doubtful - they are all older than my mum ...
[20:07] <knome> yep!
[20:07] <knome> now i also see a message saying you updated your profile pic
[20:07] <knome> ta
[20:08] <flocculant> yea - worked it out - not concentrating earlier - some crop stuff cropped up
[20:08] <flocculant> then I think I might have not saved it cos didn't want to crop
[20:08] <knome> so while you are there
[20:08] <knome> go edit the about thing
[20:08] <flocculant> anyway - done that
[20:08] <knome> make everything say https:// instead of http://
[20:09] <flocculant> where's the about thing lol
[20:09] <knome> https://www.facebook.com/pg/xubuntuusers/about/?ref=page_internal
[20:09] <flocculant> oh nvm
[20:09] <knome> and for the story, i'd probably lean towards the website intro...
[20:09] <knome> Xubuntu is a community developed operating system that combines elegance and ease of use.
[20:09] <knome> Xubuntu is an elegant and easy to use operating system. Xubuntu comes with Xfce, which is a stable, light and configurable desktop environment.
[20:09] <knome> Xubuntu is perfect for those who want the most out of their desktops, laptops and netbooks with a modern look and enough features for efficient, daily usage. It works well on older hardware too.
[20:09] <knome> and something about reading more at website ;)
[20:10] <knome> now you have one finished work item ;)
[20:11] <flocculant> instead of the really long description?
[20:11] <knome> yes
[20:11] <knome> and if we feel like there is some interesting and important information
[20:11] <knome> that isn't on the website...
[20:11] <knome> well you know what we should do in that case ;)
[20:12] <flocculant> heh
[20:14] <flocculant> knome: what about adding something about contributing - where the 'For Support' bit is?
[20:17] <flocculant> also I guess https://xubuntu.org/ instead of https://www.
[20:20] <knome> yes please for the latter
[20:20] <knome> and yes, a contribution link would be nice too
[20:21] <flocculant> I'll point to the simple webpage one for that
[20:22] <knome> yep
[20:22] <flocculant> knome: ok - anything else?
[20:22] <knome> not for fb
[20:22] <knome> but want to proofread something $else?
[20:22] <flocculant> ok - all done then
[20:22] <flocculant> can do :)
[20:22] <knome> let me send you a quick mail then
[20:22] <flocculant> yep
[20:23] <knome> ygm
[20:23] <knome> Fro contributing
[20:23] <knome> aFro?
[20:23] <knome> i'd probably say "To get involved, see"
[20:24] <knome> that's kind of the thing we keep saying
[20:24] <knome> or at least i do :D
[20:24] <flocculant> done
[20:26] <flocculant> not a little bit of proofreading then lol
[20:26] <knome> nope...
[20:27] <knome> i didn't say the task was quick... :P
[20:27] <flocculant> you in a hurry?
[20:27] <knome> mostly to check there aren't any loose ends in the thought
[20:27] <knome> nah
[20:27] <knome> whenever you have time
[20:27] <flocculant> get it to you tomorrow then :)
[20:27] <flocculant> not easy to strikethrough in tbird :p
[20:27] <knome> the first draft of this article was written october 4th
[20:27] <flocculant> aah ok :p
[20:28] <knome> and this has progressed quickly to this stage compared to what articles usually take :P
[20:28] <knome> and i've published part of it... as a separate article
[20:28] <knome> because i had to get that out :P
[20:28] <knome> for other reasons
[20:28] <flocculant> heh
[20:33] <flocculant> had a quick run through - not much to do, will look again tomorrow and no doubt find something else - getting a bit shot now :)
[20:33] <knome> oki
[20:33] <knome> thanks already
[20:33] <flocculant> np as always :)
[20:37] <knome> \o/
[20:38] <knome> i have no pending commits for the website
[20:38] <knome> woooot
[20:38] <flocculant> heh
[20:38] <knome> usually they rot from a few months to half a year
[20:38] <knome> that said,
[20:38] <knome> let's create some
[20:38] <knome> (:
[20:40] <flocculant> bluesabre: can we set some time by soonish to talk package testing/ppa's and stuff?
[20:41]  * flocculant wanders off into the night for now
[20:41] <knome> nighty night!
[20:41] <flocculant> night knome
[21:03] <knome> slickymaster, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-b-documentation is set up for you
[23:12] <bluesabre> flocculant: predictably, our schedules do not align
[23:12] <bluesabre> :D


[07:34]  * apw yawns
[07:35]  * smb waves
[07:36] <smb> ... and leaves to get more coffee
[07:38]  * apw makes tea
[07:54] <ppisati> diwic: i hit again the 'crackling noise'&c problem this morning
[07:54] <ppisati> diwic: but with mumble this time
[07:54] <ppisati> diwic: what was the status of the fix for R?
[07:54] <diwic> ppisati, okay, with PA 3.0 or 3.99/4.0 ?
[07:54] <ppisati> diwic: vanilla raring
[07:54] <ppisati> 1:3.0-0ubuntu6
[07:55] <diwic> ppisati, I made a package with the fix arun thought was right, uploaded to a ppa and asked people to test. No replies.
[07:55] <ppisati> diwic: doh!
[07:55] <ppisati> diwic: where is it?
[07:56] <ohsix> ubuntu-audio-dev ;D
[07:56] <diwic> ppisati, bug 1173073 comment 6
[07:56] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1173073 in skype (Ubuntu) "Broken sounds in Skype" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1173073
[07:56] <ppisati> diwic: let me try it
[08:00] <ppisati> diwic: i guess i need to logout, right?
[08:03] <diwic> ppisati, restarting pulseaudio is better, sometimes a logout/login doesn't trigger pulseaudio to restart
[08:03] <diwic> ppisati, pulseaudio -k
[08:04] <ppisati> smb: make some noise when you are back
[08:04] <ppisati> diwic: i restarted
[08:04] <ppisati> diwic: so far, skype is mute
[08:05] <ppisati> diwic: can't hear anything from it
[08:05] <smb> ppisati, I am making "noise"
[08:05] <ppisati> smb: now?
[08:05] <smb> yes
[08:05] <ppisati> smb: oh, i saw the lips
[08:05] <ppisati> diwic: ok, the new pulseaudio has defaned my system
[08:05] <diwic> skype is mute, but the lips refer to mumble?
[08:06] <ppisati> diwic: i have the 'cracking noise' problem with both skype and mumble
[08:06] <ppisati> diwic: hence i was trying both
[08:06] <ppisati> diwic: ok, actually my system is mute now
[08:06] <ppisati> diwic: since it don't emit any sound through skype/mumble
[08:07] <ppisati> diwic: i can still play a song
[08:07] <ppisati> diwic: but no mumble/skype
[08:07] <ppisati> :(
[08:07] <diwic> ppisati, hrm
[08:07] <diwic> ppisati, you restarted mumble/skype with the new pulseaudio too I assume?
[08:07] <ppisati> diwic: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5757463/
[08:07] <ppisati> diwic: i rebooted the box
[08:08] <ppisati> ah!
[08:08] <ppisati> skype has just emitted the first beep
[08:09] <ppisati> and now it's like in a torturing loop
[08:09] <ppisati> smb: can you hear me?
[08:09] <diwic> ppisati, uhm
[08:09] <smb> ppisati, no
[08:09] <ppisati> smb: :(
[08:09] <smb> fixed to death
[08:09] <ppisati> restared skype since it was driving me crazy
[08:10] <diwic> ppisati, pacmd set-log-level 4, then try skype or mumble (not both simultaneously!). Is there something interesting in /var/log/syslog ?
[08:12] <smb> ppisati, see lips, hear nothing
[08:14] <ppisati> diwic: http://people.canonical.com/~ppisati/pulseaudio_syslog
[08:14] <apw> diwic, am i expecting outputs and inputs to be lost over s/r in raring now ?
[08:15] <diwic> ppisati, okay, so endless streams of rewinds, exactly what the patch was supposed to *fix*, not *cause*
[08:16] <diwic> apw, could you elaborate?
[08:16] <ppisati> life is unfair... :(
[08:17] <diwic> ppisati, but that patch is in 4.0 too, so I guess I should test mumble on 4.0 and see if it still works
[08:17] <apw> diwic, by which i mean my i have external mic and speakers on USB and over s/r they used to remain the 'selected' outputs, now the defaults switch back to the internals every time
[08:18]  * ppisati goes back to vanilla PA
[08:18] <diwic> ppisati, anyway roll back for the time being
[08:19] <diwic> apw, well, it's probably due to a race between PA and the kernel, so it can change between Ubuntu versions.
[08:19] <apw> diwic, ok s/r is possibly slower right now, so that probabally accounts for it
[08:19] <diwic> apw, last time I asked somebody it was not possible to tell when the kernel has finished probing hardware
[08:20] <diwic> apw, but perhaps you know better?
[08:20] <apw> diwic, pretty much not if it is usb
[08:20] <diwic> apw, essentially, when PA resumes, usb sound appears no longer connected
[08:21] <apw> though one could listen on the udev events and as things appear if they are what i thought the default was before we could reinstate it
[08:21] <ohsix> are uevents for the device sent before it can actually be used?
[08:21] <apw> ohsix, i think the conjecture here is PA wakes and scans on 'whats still here' while the devices are still being scanned
[08:21] <diwic> apw, you mean a rule based ordering? Intel says they have something they want to upstream. We've been waiting for half a year for that.
[08:22] <ohsix> apw: it seems to race plugging in unrelated to suspending and stuff too; i've been operating ounder the assumption that you would be able to actually use the device by the time udev knows about it
[08:23] <apw> diwic, well i mean, whoever has the 'current default output' would wake up and say 'ahh crap the default is gone i supposed i'll change to the remaining thing', then later when the other device appears based on an event it could say 'oh look that is where my real default is meant to be, lets switch back transparently'
[08:23] <ohsix> that is what happens if the thing actually goes away
[08:23] <ohsix> barring interference from the desktop mixer applet :>
[08:24] <diwic> apw, right, and that can be extended to a list of devices, add to that different routes for roles and programs, and you have the big routing problem <tm>.
[08:24] <apw> diwic, well i am only really saying we should remember the 'users preferred default' for each
[08:26] <ppisati> ok, so
[08:26] <ppisati> i rolled back to 1:3.0-0ubuntu6
[08:26] <ppisati> but still can't hear anything
[08:26] <ppisati> :(
[08:26] <ohsix> fuser -v /dev/snd/*
[08:28] <diwic> apw, and we have been promised to get all that and more with Intel's routing system which we have been waiting for since October or so
[08:30] <ppisati> ok, i've sound back
[08:31] <ppisati> but still noises/crackings
[08:31] <ppisati> etcetc
[08:31] <ppisati> diwic: my previous 'muting' problem
[08:31] <ppisati> diwic: was because it selected the digital output
[08:31] <ppisati> diwic: intead of the analog one
[08:31] <ppisati> diwic: i'm on analog now + your ppa bits
[08:32] <ppisati> diwic: but there're still problems
[08:32] <diwic> ppisati, so essentially, what you're saying *now* is that the ppa makes no difference?
[08:32] <ppisati> diwic: well
[08:32] <ppisati> diwic: it's a bit better
[08:32] <ppisati> diwic: i can hear cking and apw ok now
[08:33] <ppisati> diwic: but if i start the dummy skype voice call test
[08:33] <ppisati> diwic: everything craps out
[08:34] <diwic> ppisati, and what was the skype voice call test before the ppa ?
[08:34] <ppisati> diwic: uhm
[08:34] <ppisati> diwic: wasn't working iirc
[08:34] <diwic> ppisati, so no regression at least, what about the event sounds that the original bug was about?
[08:35] <ppisati> diwic: it's a bit better now
[08:35] <ppisati> diwic: no noises are not constant
[08:35] <ppisati> diwic: i can hear the other people on mumble quite ok
[08:35] <ppisati> diwic: had some noises when i started mumble, but it's ok now
[08:36] <ppisati> diwic: ok, skype is mute again
[08:36] <ppisati> :(
[08:36] <ppisati> while mumble is ok
[08:41] <diwic> maybe I should try and see if I can reproduce it here
[08:42] <ppisati> diwic: if i can help you in any way, let me know
[08:42] <diwic> ppisati, when you say "skype is mute", does that refer to event sounds, the call stream or both?
[08:43] <ppisati> diwic: it's mute in general
[08:43] <ppisati> diwic: nothing comes out of the speakers
[08:43] <ppisati> diwic: but when it does
[08:43] <ppisati> diwic: it's either noise
[08:43] <ppisati> diwic: or a constant loop of a beeeeeeep
[08:44] <ppisati> diwic: do you want access to this box?
[08:44] <ppisati> diwic: i can fwd a port if you want
[08:44] <ppisati> let me see if syslog says anything when it craps out
[08:46] <diwic> ppisati, I'll first try setting up skype on raring and giving it a test to see if it works or not here
[08:46] <ppisati> diwic: try setting up mumble and skype
[08:46] <cking> apw http://www.maximintegrated.com/app-notes/index.mvp/id/3958
[08:46] <ppisati> diwic: join a mumble channel with people speaking
[08:46] <diwic> ppisati, simultaneously?
[08:47] <ppisati> diwic: and then try to make skype emit any sound
[08:47] <ppisati> diwic: yes, simultaneously
[08:47] <ppisati> diwic: looks like it's easier to trigger it this way
[08:48] <diwic> hmm, when searching for skype in USC, all I get is magazines in german.
[08:51] <ppisati> diwic: ok, i was able to reproduce the noise-loop
[08:52] <ppisati> diwic: and here is syslog
[08:52] <ppisati> diwic: http://people.canonical.com/~ppisati/pulseaudio_syslog_again
[08:52] <ppisati> diwic: at the end, then i -k pulseaudio
[08:53] <ppisati> brb
[08:54] <diwic> ppisati, what's the recommended method to install skype?
[08:55]  * diwic is listen in on mumble, sounds good
[09:00] <diwic> ah, found it
[09:07] <diwic> ppisati, ok, now I did a skype test call while listening to the mumble chat, worked just fine
[09:10] <diwic> ppisati, that's with raring's PA.
[09:10] <ppisati> diwic: in my case, skype test calls always fail (no sound output at all)
[09:10] <ppisati> diwic: and it's really racy
[09:10] <ppisati> diwic: sometimes you trigger it
[09:10] <ppisati> diwic: sometimes it works
[09:12] <ppisati> diwic: do you have contacs in skype?
[09:13] <diwic> ppisati, maybe skype is hearing noise in the beginning of the call, when the voice talks ("welcome to skype call testing service"), it reduces the volume of itself because it thinks it's hearing the echo of itself
[09:13] <ppisati> diwic: can i add you in skype?
[09:13] <diwic> ppisati, diwic9 is my ID
[09:14] <ppisati> diwic: when i login/logout, do you get the notification sound? is it ok?
[09:15] <diwic> ppisati, yes, there are correct login/logout sounds from skype
[09:15] <diwic> ppisati, btw, what are the CPU powers of your machine?
[09:15] <ppisati> diwic: this is an haswell box
[09:16] <diwic> ppisati, that should be okay I assume
[09:19] <ppisati> diwic: how do i find out? cat /proc/...?
[09:20] <diwic> ppisati, /proc/asound/card*/codec*, pick the one's that not HDMI
[09:20] <diwic> s/one's that/one that's/
[09:21] <ppisati> diwic: http://people.canonical.com/~ppisati/haswell_hda_codecs
[09:21] <diwic> ppisati, ok
[09:28] <diwic> ppisati, the syslog_again log, that's from with the ppa installed, right?
[09:29] <ppisati> diwic: yes
[09:34] <diwic> [alsa-source] alsa-source.c: Scheduling delay of 0.08ms, you might want to investigate this to improv
[09:35] <diwic> [alsa-source] alsa-source.c: Scheduling delay of 0.08ms, you might want to investigate this to improve latency...
[09:35] <diwic> sure PulseAudio should survive with more than 80 us of scheduling latency :-)
[09:35] <diwic> probably a red herring though
[09:37] <ohsix> it actually says that? what is it using to determine how it was scheduled?
[09:37] <diwic> tsched watermark
[09:37] <diwic> it's too low
[09:39] <ohsix> oh, so not strictly scheduling
[09:41] <diwic> ohsix, if real_sleep_time - tsched_watermark > expected_sleep_time then complain
[09:43] <diwic> ohsix, hence the tsched_watermark is less than 80 us which is bad
[09:43] <diwic> I think
[09:47] <ppisati> brb
[10:23] <jampo> Is "What does a specific Ubuntu kernel version number mean?" on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/FAQ outdated? If this info is correct, then the linux-image-3.2.0-48-generic 3.2.0-48.74 package of 12.04 would be based on kernel 3.2.0. But on http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/info/kernel-version-map.html 3.2.0-48.74 is mapped to 3.2.46.
[10:25] <jampo> The Makefile in the current linux-source-3.2.0 (<IP_ADDRESS>.58) packages inside of /usr/src/linux-source-3.2.0/linux-source-3.2.0.tar.bz2 contains also 3.2.46 as the kernel version.
[10:25] <jampo> I am confused.
[10:33] <jampo> The last change of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/FAQ was 2011-01-27. So I think it is outdated. And the version in the Makefile of linux-source-3.2.0 and the http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/info/kernel-version-map.html mapping is the correct one. Correct?
[10:35] <jampo> So the latest linux-image-3.2.0-48-generic (3.2.0-48.74) package for 12.04 is based on kernel 3.2.46?
[10:39] <smb> jampo, No, the FAQ is correct. It is based on the release version of 3.2, but it also has the stable updates up to 3.246 included.
[10:39] <smb> 3.2.46
[10:42] <diwic> smb, would it make sense to then call it linux-source-3.2 instead of linux-source-3.2.0 ?
[10:43] <diwic> smb, (without saying that doing so would be worth all the tooling changes required)
[10:43] <smb> diwic, No, we went through that before. There was just too much historically depending on kernel versions having three parts
[10:45] <diwic> smb, so it would make sense, but we avoid it due to all the changes required?
[10:48] <smb> diwic, That would be my definition of making sense, actually. The 0 also makes sense in a way as spelling out it is the release version. Maybe there are other reasons as well which apw may remember
[10:49] <apw> diwic, possibly, though changing the name might be tricky for the consumers thereof
[10:49] <jampo> So linux-source-3.2.0 is not "based on" kernel 3.2.46 but "compatible with" it? If it would be "based on" then it would be really based on the v3.2.46 release tag of the kernel?
[10:50] <diwic> smb, thanks. I didn't mean to drag up an old debate (if any) so I'm satisfied with the answer :-)
[10:50] <smb> jampo, Look at it from debian packaging: the source package consist of a orig.tar.gz and a diff. And the tar is based on 3.2.0
[10:52] <jampo> smb: Thanks for the pointer. I will check http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux_3.2.0.orig.tar.gz now. :-)
[10:52] <smb> jampo, Nowadays there will likely be most current stable updates applied, but that was not always the case and may be and the package number deliberately does not give any hint about what stable patches are included.
[11:00] <jampo> Verified: the version in the Makefile of linux_3.2.0.orig.tar.gz is 3.2.0 and the uncompressed linux_3.2.0-45.70.diff.gz is huge.
[11:00] <jampo> :-)
[11:05] <jampo> One last missing thing: there is no v3.2.0 release tag in the git repository of the kernel: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git/tag/?id=v3.2.0 and no tarball in https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v3.x/ Any way to find out the commit on which linux_3.2.0.orig.tar.gz is based?
[11:06] <ohsix> it's an upstream package drop
[11:06] <jampo> What does that mean?
[11:06] <ohsix> it should be in there somewhere ;D
[11:06] <jampo> From Debian.
[11:06] <ohsix> from kernel.org, it's a release
[11:07] <jampo> You mean it was released an then later removed?
[11:08]  * ppisati goes for some food
[11:13] <ohsix> jampo: i think so, yea
[11:15] <ohsix> or hm
[11:15] <jampo> I am stupid. :-)
[11:16] <jampo> Maybe the tag is called v3.2?
[11:16] <jampo> https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git/tag/?id=v3.2
[11:16] <ohsix> there was no 3.0.x or 3.1.x, and only a 3.2-rc*, then, 3.2.1
[11:16] <ohsix> that looks plausible :]
[11:18] <jampo> That's nice, everything fits together now. Thanks for the clarification!
[11:18] <ohsix> np, i remember what people did with 2.6._40_ instead of '3' but i guess i got bored shortly after
[11:30] <infinity> apw: *pokity poke*
[11:30] <apw> yo
[11:30] <infinity> apw: Can you revert rtg's HAVE_CPLUS_DEMANGLE=n mess from the last linux and linux-grouper uploads?
[11:30] <infinity> (If he committed it to other trees, revert those too, please)
[11:31] <infinity> apw: It forces kernel uploads to be lockstep with binutils (and vice versa), which is pretty remarkably poop.
[11:31] <infinity> apw: And the bug he was working around (libiberty.a being missing) was fixed by me last night.
[11:31] <apw> in ack
[11:31] <apw> infinity, do i need to upload or are we good where we are
[11:31] <infinity> Shouldn't be an ABI bump, feel free to rapidly upload to undo the damage.
[11:32] <apw> ack
[11:32] <infinity> Otherwise, your kernel will never migrate, cause doko just pushed a new binutils. :P
[11:41] <apw> infinity, ack
[12:24] <apw> infinity, so the liberty change is in -proposed and published already
[12:30] <infinity> apw: Yeahp, has been for hours.
[12:31] <apw> infinity, these two fixes are non-abi-bumpers, so i am shoving them in with the revert
[12:31] <infinity> apw: Shiny.
[12:31] <infinity> apw: s/revert/reverts/ ... linux-grouper got caught in the crossfire here, too.
[12:31] <apw> infinity, there is one revert on master, otheres elsewhere
[12:32] <infinity> apw: (And you might want to check other HEADs to see if rtg lined up the same change for other flavours, but I'm hoping not)
[12:32] <apw> rtg_ is going to handle the others once this builds
[12:32] <infinity> Mmkay.
[12:32] <apw> at least on x86
[12:39]  * henrix -> lunch
[12:44] <apw> infinity, ok in the hole
[12:45] <infinity> apw: There's no way to interpret that that makes me feel good about that upload.
[12:45] <infinity> apw: But I'm going to take the high road, avoid the sexual innuendo, and assume that you uploaded a grenade.
[12:45] <apw> infinity, most likely :)  but ... what fun would that be
[12:46] <rtg_> infinity, I think only grouper (so far) has the MANGLE issue with binutils. I can re-upload now ?
[12:47] <infinity> rtg_: Please do.  It won't be blocking anything else, only itself, but if you wanted it in, it'll need an upload with that reverted.
[12:47] <infinity> (linux was more urgent, cause it's a tangled mess of interdependencies)
[12:47] <rtg_> infinity, ok, it'll be in the hole soon :)
[12:47] <infinity> Damn you people and your holes.
[12:49] <apw> infinity, we didn't want to fill them both at once, but you insisted
[12:49] <infinity> ...
[13:53] <apw> rtg_, that goes in ubuntu.pockets=proposed
[13:53] <apw> ubuntu.pockets=proposed
[13:59] <rtg_> apw,  line 15 [saucy-armhf-sbuild]: Unknown key 'ubuntu.pockets' used
[14:01] <rtg_> apw, Can't open /usr/share/schroot/setup/common-config
[14:04] <infinity> apw: You missed the matching linux-signed for your upload.
[14:05] <apw> infinity, bandits, will fix now
[14:45] <rsalveti> rtg_:  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.8), libdw1 (>= 0.143), libelf1 (>= 0.131), linux-maguro-tools-common
[14:46] <rsalveti> rtg_: guess the flavor specific tool is depending on flavor-tools-common
[14:46] <rsalveti> which is not yet available
[14:46] <rtg_> rsalveti, ok, I'll check on it.
[14:46] <rsalveti> rtg_: thanks
[14:48] <rtg_> rsalveti, um, it may be because flavor-tools-common has not been promoted out of proposed yet ?
[14:49] <rtg_> eh, that doesn't seem right eithetr
[14:49] <rsalveti> rtg_: are we even creating such package?
[14:50] <rtg_> rsalveti, don't think so. thats what doesn't seem right.ght be a typo
[14:51] <rtg_> rsalveti, the binary package names should be linux-maguro-tools-common and linux-maguro-tools-3.0.0-2.3. checking on the meta package now...
[14:55] <rtg_> rsalveti, the dependencies should be linux-maguro-tools -> linux-maguro-tools-3.0.0-2.3 -> linux-maguro-tools-common
[14:55] <rtg_> is that not what you're seeing ?
[14:56] <rsalveti> that's what I'm seeing, I just couldn't find linux-maguro-tools-common
[14:56] <rsalveti> rtg_: who should be in charge of generating such package?
[14:57] <rsalveti> the kernel itself?
[14:57] <rsalveti> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-maguro
[14:57] <rtg_> rsalveti, yeah, its a binary generated by teh kernel
[14:57] <rsalveti> even on the one from proposed, just linux-maguro-tools-3.0.0-2_3.0.0-2.3_armhf.deb
[14:57] <rtg_> rsalveti, yeah, wtf ?
[14:58] <rtg_> rsalveti, maybe its because that package is 'Architecture: all' instead of 'Architecture: armhf' ?
[14:59] <rsalveti> rtg_: right
[15:00] <rsalveti> rtg_: for all to be published we'd need a build for i386
[15:00] <rtg_> rsalveti, cut-n-paste error
[15:03] <apw> rtg_, yeah any all packages in a single architecture package normally are : <arch> instead so that i only builds on one arch
[19:55] <rsalveti> rtg_: package still depending on linux-maguro-tools-common
[19:55] <rtg_> rsalveti, yeah, still working on it. I think I've figured it out for grouper.
[19:55] <rsalveti> rtg_: cool
[19:56] <rtg_> rsalveti, its been kind of a PITA
[20:28]  * rtg_ -> EOD
[20:48] <anon^_^> hi had a question about the -lowlatency kernel.  There appears to be two project pages on launchpad with different builds, both headed by GaryM
[20:49] <anon^_^> It makes it somewhat difficult to determine which package to use and why there are two project pages
[20:49] <anon^_^> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-lowlatency
[20:49] <anon^_^> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta-lowlatency
[20:53] <maxb> anon^_^: 'linux' = the kernel source itself, that builds packages which have ABI versioning info which often changes embedded in their names; 'linux-meta' = the metapackages which pull in the latest specific versioned packages  (or at least that's how it works in the non '-lowlatency' case, I assume it's the same)
[20:55] <anon^_^> so the safe route to go, stick with linux-meta builds which are used by default in the Ubuntu Repo