[00:16] <xubuntu179> hello
[00:16] <xubuntu179> is there anybody in there
[00:16] <xubuntu179> nooby dooby do
[00:16] <xubuntu179> noob noob noob
[00:17] <xubuntu179> nooby dooby do
[00:17] <pleia2> xubuntu179: this is a support channel, folks reply when there are questions to answer :)
[00:17] <holstein> xubuntu179: just ask.. please use the #xubuntu-offtopic for chat
[00:17] <xubuntu179> oh...sorry
[00:17] <xubuntu179> obviously new to xubuntu...
[00:17] <xubuntu179> looking for sysinfo or in Gates parlance...My Computer
[00:18] <holstein> xubuntu179: what information are you looking for?
[00:18] <xubuntu179> system info...RAM...CPU....Disk Space
[00:18] <xubuntu179> version number kernal number
[00:18] <xubuntu179> simple stuff
[00:19] <bekks> xubuntu179: free -m; cat /proc/cpuinfo; df -h; uname -a
[00:19] <xubuntu179> ...good...good...thanks....
[00:19] <Unit193> lshw, inxi, lshw-gtk, some random gnome package they've likely renamed.
[00:19] <holstein> xubuntu179: the file manager should show disk space.. in a terminal, you can use "free -m" for the memory.. the kernel "uname -a".. or, any package manager you would like to use
[00:19] <xubuntu179> just tried sudo apt-get install sysinfo worked too
[00:20] <xubuntu179> ...gr8....thanks team!!
[00:20] <xubuntu179> So....how do u pronounce Xubuntu?
[00:21] <xubuntu179> Linux Mint was easy to say
[00:21] <holstein> zubuntu is how i say it
[00:21] <holstein> zoo.. but, you can say "x-ubuntu"
[00:21] <xubuntu179> bootrosh bootrosh buntu
[00:21] <xubuntu179> zoo feels right
[00:22] <xubuntu179> restarting gang...thanks for the help!
[00:24] <genii> holstein: I prefer the zoo-buntu pronunciation... if you say x-ubuntu then it's sort of like "Ok, it's ex-ubuntu" sense
[00:25] <holstein> sure.. but it *is* XFCE
[00:25] <Unit193> I say "ex-ubuntu", one of the few that says it "wrong" :P
[00:26] <holstein> in the "XFCE-ubuntu" sense, "exubuntu" is more logical.. but, i just say "zoobuntu", and i dont think anyone really minds which
[00:27]  * genii ponders elle-ubuntu and 'kay-ubuntu
[01:06] <stormsight> hello, i found something a bit frustrating and wanted to know the reason behind this:
[01:07] <stormsight> on xubuntu 13.10 there is no way to format a usb drive and no program installed by default that can do it, why is this?
[01:08] <holstein> stormsight: the command line can.. would you like to make a feature request then?
[01:09] <stormsight> yes id like that, i just upgraded from ubuntu 10.04 there was a simple option right clicking the drive, now its gone and i had to install "Disks" to do it
[01:09] <holstein> stormsight: thats changing many things, though.. ubuntu 10.04 wasnt running xfce, correct?
[01:10] <holstein> stormsight: i use gparted
[01:10] <stormsight> it wasnt, but i mean since then for some reason this feature has been gone from following ubuntu releases and xubuntu ones too
[01:10] <holstein> i think the idea is, if you need/want to format a stick, you'll know how, or figure it out.. also, folks typically try and not format them
[01:13] <stormsight> its not practical for me, i use an old laptop xubuntu is great on it, but i try to keep it as skinny as possible its can't handle much
[01:13] <holstein> stormsight: whats not practical?
[01:14] <stormsight> having to download a program just to being able to format a stick or teaching the owner of this laptop doing that via command line
[01:15] <holstein> its not like usb stick support has been removed.. and, its also easy to add a tool if one wants
[01:15] <stormsight> is there a work around that would put back the 'format' in the context menu?
[01:15] <holstein> you shouldnt need to format a stick.. just remove the data, and show that new user how to do that in the filemanager.. if you want a tool, i find gparted to be handy
[01:16] <holstein> stormsight: nautilus is not in xubuntu
[01:17] <stormsight> tools like disks or gparted can do damage if handled improperly, thats what worries me, id like something simple that comes with the system
[01:18] <holstein> stormsight: those tools can, and i think thats why they are not in right click menus anymore
[01:19] <holstein> stormsight: nothing gUI comes with xubuntu right now AFAIK.. so, if you are implementing 13.10 for a new user right now, you are looking at adding something
[01:19] <stormsight> yes i added disks
[01:19] <holstein> a featuer request like that would be for 14.10, since 14.04 is in freeze AFAIK
[01:19] <holstein> stormsight: so, you have a solution for the new user?
[01:20] <stormsight> sort of, but i like this distribution, would love something better in the future
[01:21] <holstein> stormsight: 'better' is a matter of opinion and use case. i actually consider the current setup better, but, you are welcome to request what you like. i would start with an email to the user list, then the dev list
[01:23] <holstein> its near impossible for any distro to please everyone out-of-the-box, though.. you may want to think about just adding something in for your needs
[01:35] <knome> holstein, incorrect... it *is* impossible :)
[01:35] <Unit193> knome: No, have 3 users and there's a chance you may be able to...
[01:35] <knome> no way! :P
[01:35] <holstein> hehe
[01:36] <knome> have one user (yourself) and you're still unable to
[01:36] <Unit193> Gee thanks, know me too well.
[01:36] <stormsight> i will see if some one agrees with me
[01:37] <holstein> stormsight: its fine that you want that feature.. its not about getting anyone to agree.. you can, and are welcome to be the only one, and you can have exactly what you want
[01:38] <holstein> i think the issue is going to be, if its a deal-breaker for you that you get right-click format options in thunar by default
[01:39] <poeticrpm> can anyone in here tell me what gtk3 property changes the color of links? I am using xfce-dusk and the links are a dark blue that is very hard to read. I have tried changing define-color link_color and it makes no difference.
[01:40] <poeticrpm> Go to thunar---> About and look at the URL link to thunar- THAT is what im trying to change. Of course, that same property causes many other visibility problems and no manner of changing color properties seems to fix it
[01:42] <Unit193> I can't tell you what property it is, but thunar is gtk2.
[01:43] <poeticrpm> hmmmm... I figured they had changed it by now. I suppose perhaps all the apps giving me this issue are using gtk2 properties..
[01:43] <poeticrpm> thats cool.. makes more sense than not having any results.
[02:51] <ball> Is there some way to fix a hosed package system or should I just backup and reinstall?
[02:54] <cfhowlett_> ball, reinstall
[02:57] <ball> cfhowlett_: Thanks
[02:57] <ball> I'll get that backup going then.
[02:58] <cfhowlett_> ball, good luck
[02:59] <poeticrpm> cfhowlett_, ??? This is linux dude. Theres a way
[02:59] <poeticrpm> ball: whats wrong?
[03:00] <cfhowlett_> poeticrpm, post the fix!  I'm happy to be wrong.
[03:00] <ball> poeticrpm: Give me a moment, I'll paste an example error message.
[03:01] <poeticrpm> cfhowlett_, I dont even know what the problem is.. but since he didnt post any particulars as to his problem, I dont feel saying reinstall automatically is the linux way
[03:01] <ball> I should probably pastebin it.
[03:01] <poeticrpm> ball: ok. What caused your issue?
[03:01] <cfhowlett_> poeticrpm, his package system is scrambled ...
[03:02] <poeticrpm> ball: yes, please do..
[03:02] <poeticrpm> scrambled? By package system you mean APT? Did he try a dist upgrade?
[03:03] <ball> http://www.pastebin.ca/2623292
[03:05] <poeticrpm> ball:
[03:05] <poeticrpm> sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/* -vf
[03:05] <poeticrpm> then run:
[03:05] <poeticrpm> sudo apt-get update
[03:07] <cfhowlett_> ball, I am so ashamed for giving such bad advice.  mea culpa.  thanks poeticrpm
[03:08]  * ball tries it
[03:08] <poeticrpm> cfhowlett_, well, lets see if it works first. Ball?
[03:10] <poeticrpm> ball: what happened?
[03:11] <ball> It's doing a thing (fetching a directory of packages?)
[03:11] <poeticrpm> sweet... that means it will prolly work
[03:11]  * ball nods
[03:11] <ball> Thanks!
[03:11] <poeticrpm> let me know when its done and we'll run a few commands to make sure everything is straight
[03:11] <ball> We're having to use my daughter's dual-core Atom desktop as our primary PC at present.
[03:11] <poeticrpm> theres still a few things we should do quick ball.. BTW, what lead to this happening?
[03:12] <ball> My wife's quad-core box failed.
[03:12] <poeticrpm> ouch
[03:12] <poeticrpm> hard to take that speed hit
[03:12] <ball> poeticrpm: I've been impressed at how well this holds up with Xubuntu on it.
[03:12] <ball> ...also impressed that my wife has learned how to use Xubuntu.
[03:13] <poeticrpm> ball: yeah, xfce is pretty good overall. If you need even faster---> Openbox. But, its not "windows-like" so your wife would have a tougher time. A lot more config involved too. XFCE is pretty sweet
[03:14] <poeticrpm> ball: im thinking it should have completed by now, so if it didnt, is it stuck on a URL or what?
[03:14] <ball> It just finished.
[03:15] <ball> "Reading package lists... Done"
[03:15] <poeticrpm> awesome.. what were you doing that ended up resulting in this issue?
[03:15] <poeticrpm> was it an upgrade or something?
[03:15] <ball> poeticrpm: I have no idea. It has been like this for a while.
[03:15] <poeticrpm> ok, try this:
[03:15] <poeticrpm> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[03:16] <poeticrpm> sudo apt-get install -f
[03:16] <poeticrpm> sudo apt-get clean
[03:16] <ball> I use Blackbox quite a lot. I seem to remember that Openbox is a derivative of that.
[03:17] <poeticrpm> sudo apt-get upgrade (NOTE: if its been awhile, this will take awhile... This is upgrading everything on the system...)
[03:17] <poeticrpm> Yeah, blackbox is even lighter. Openbox has some more features, but overall they should feel similar
[03:18] <ball> Will that upgrade the OS, the packages or both?
[03:19] <poeticrpm> ball: the upgrade will essentially download and upgrade all SECURITY upgrades made available. There are a few exceptions: firefox might actually have a version upgrade for instance. For the most part, Xubuntu is frozen at release- you wont get any new packages until you do a distro upgrade
[03:19] <poeticrpm> all the "updates" you get are updates to address security or stability issues
[03:21] <ball> poeticrpm: That sounds ideal, thanks.
[03:21] <poeticrpm> therefor, updates shouldnt cause you problems. However, when you dist-upgrade...  Usually you can fix it
[03:21] <ball> (and thanks for unhosing our PC!)
[03:21] <poeticrpm> ball: so did the above commands work? can you use apt to install something and see if it works?
[03:21] <ball> Yes. I just did.
[03:22] <poeticrpm> ball: sweet. Glad it worked, gotta get back to work
[03:22] <ball> I fetched rtorrent, which I'm going to use to fetch a BSD ISO image for my own PC.
[03:22] <ball> ...if that doesn't work I'm going to wipe it and install Xubuntu
[03:23] <ball> :-)
[03:23] <poeticrpm> ball: sweet- never tried BSD, but have always wanted to. Good luck and later
[03:23] <ball> poeticrpm and cfhowlett_ Thanks for your help.
[03:23] <poeticrpm> np
[03:23] <cfhowlett_> heh - he said I "helped" ---
[03:23] <ball> poeticrpm: I've been using it for years. Linux is a bit newfangled to me. ;-)
[03:23] <ball> cfhowlett_: Hey, you tried.
[03:24] <cfhowlett_> ball, glad you got your box right.
[04:35] <cubed_root> does ubuntu software center crash on you guys alot?
[04:37] <cfhowlett_> !anyone|cubed_root,
[04:40] <cubed_root> !poll
[04:57] <xubuntu855> I'm confused how to update to the latest version of xubuntu. I got a popup on startup saying my version was no longer supported but I couldn't click the upgrade button. I tried restarting and the popup did not reappear. The only instructions I found via google were for vanilla Ubuntu with the update manager, but it's not in the applications menu. How do I upgrade? I'm comforable with the shell.
[04:58] <cfhowlett_> xubuntu855, lsb_release -a   will tell us the version
[04:59] <xubuntu855> xand@xandxub:~$ lsb_release -a No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID:	Ubuntu Description:	Ubuntu 13.04 Release:	13.04 Codename:	raring
[05:00] <cfhowlett_> !raring|xubuntu855, end of support
[05:01] <cfhowlett_> xubuntu855, ask in #ubuntu how to upgrade an EOL version -
[05:01] <xubuntu855> cfhowlett_, thanks
[05:50] <Hund> How do I use one wallpaper on all my monitors on xfce these days?
[09:59] <euryale> Hi guys!
[09:59] <euryale> new Xubuntu user here :)
[10:01] <euryale> Any of you knows how to fix the workspace switcher??  I have a problem with the sound.. i installed yesterday xubuntu but the sounds comes out strnge.. distorted.. the songs are played faster.. i am new with xubuntu.. I tried many things yesterday but nothing worked..
[12:00] <xubuntu755> somebody can help?
[12:01] <knome> !patience | xubuntu755
[12:01] <xubuntu755> thanks!!!!
[12:02] <xubuntu755> hello, I am giulio. I have a problem with the sound.. i installed yesterday xubuntu but the sounds comes out strnge.. distorted.. the songs are played faster.. i am new with xubuntu.. I tried many things yesterday but nothing worked..
[12:03] <knome> xubuntu755, did you read the message?
[12:03] <xubuntu755> yes thanks
[12:03] <knome> xubuntu755, it said "please don't repeat your question quickly"
[12:04] <xubuntu755> iaaaaaahhhh!!!! understood the opposite...
[12:04] <knome> xubuntu755, is italian your native language?
[12:04] <xubuntu755> yes
[12:04] <knome> !it | xubuntu755, you can try the italian channel:
[12:06] <xubuntu755> thanks guys
[13:38] <euryale> alt+tab doesn't work in xubuntu with compiz installed.
[13:54] <brainwash_> euryale: you have to configure compiz to enable window switching via alt-tab
[13:55] <euryale> brainwash_, yes i did that, but everytime i did that moments later it will be disabled again.
[13:55] <euryale> sorry for wrong grammar.
[13:56] <brainwash_> maybe the guys in #compiz or #ubuntu know how to fix that
[13:57] <limbani> hello I have installed xubuntu yesterday and i have problem with the audio
[13:58] <euryale> limbani, i have searched for that too, and i'm glad it's fix.
[13:58] <euryale> brainwash_, i'll check the channel :D
[14:00] <limbani> thanks euryale!!!
[14:01] <euryale> :D
[14:02] <limbani> euryale, how did u do it?
[14:03] <euryale> limbani, wait im still looking at my search history i 4got to jot it down lol :D
[14:05] <euryale> limbani, here you go: http://xubuntugeek.blogspot.com/2013/12/solved-xubuntu-1310-sound-indicator.html
[14:05] <limbani> ah sorry!!!:) did not get it.. i am new here..
[14:05] <euryale> i am too :D
[14:06] <limbani> thank you my friend!!!
[14:07] <euryale> lol you have to try it first, but it worked for me, i hope it will help u too.
[14:07] <brainwash_> euryale: this problem is officially fixed, so no need to use a PPA or workaround anymore
[14:07] <limbani> euryale, but did u have problem just with the indicator or also with the sound?
[14:08] <euryale> no the indicator only, but u can access the volume control in the menu>multimedia> pulseaudio volume control
[14:09] <euryale> brainwash_, sorry i am also new, i haven't updated xubuntu since installing it 1 1/2 days ago.
[14:10] <brainwash_> euryale: but installing the latest updates is usually the first thing everyone does after the installation :)
[14:10] <brainwash_> especially to grab all the security related updates
[14:11] <euryale> lol yes, i was afraid of the 300mb+ update size, but i will definitely update the system. i haven't thought a fix will be in the update, my bad :|
[14:13] <brainwash_> don't worry, but everyone here expects that the person seeking for help has an up-to-date system
[14:14] <euryale> :)
[14:14] <euryale> brainwash_, is it ok to install emerald in gala, sorry for asking unrelated thing but i thought u might know.
[14:19] <brainwash_> euryale: emerald? gala?
[14:22] <euryale> yes
[14:28] <Golynx> hi i enabled the Indicator plugin in xubuntu's top panel, to make the volume work. Now my network icon dropdown menu have no "Disconnect" option
[14:30] <brainwash_> Golynx: wasn't the indicator plugin enabled by default?
[14:30] <Golynx> it only has "Enable Networking" and "Edit Connections" options in that dropdown menu. How can i disconnect my internet now ?
[14:31] <Golynx> brainwash_ : yes , but not enabled to show in the top panel
[14:32] <brainwash_> does the menu show your active wireless connection?
[14:32] <Golynx> should i just reboot with the internet still active and see if that "Disconnect" option comes back ?
[14:33] <Golynx> No it does'nt
[14:33] <brainwash_> worth a try, or simply restarting the network manager service could be enough
[14:34] <Golynx> hmm ok, do you know the command for that ?
[14:34] <brainwash_> try "sudo restart network-manager"
[14:36] <Golynx_> brainwash_ it worked thanks
[14:36] <brainwash_> great :)
[14:37] <Golynx_> i didnt know network manager was a service hehe
[14:43] <xubuntu246> hello, can some one help me?
[14:44] <elfy> no idea yet - ask the question and if someone can then they will
[14:45] <xubuntu246> I have xubuntu installed but can not find my internet card.
[14:46] <xubuntu246> i have a sweex lw142 nitro
[14:47] <xubuntu246> some one?
[14:47] <elfy> !patience | xubuntu246
[14:47] <xubuntu246> oke thanks
[14:50] <kRush> any ideas why /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state would be all zero but total_trans is counting? as far as I understand it's controlled by the same kernel option
[14:53] <xubuntu246> I have xubuntu installed but can not find my internet card. I have a sweex lw142 nitro. can some one help me?
[14:57] <euryale> will installing gnome in xubuntu 13.10 break the system??
[15:00] <xubuntu246> someone who wants to help me. can not find anything at https://help.ubuntu.com/ or http://ubuntuforums.org/ or http://askubuntu.com/
[15:02] <elfy> xubuntu246: people that can answer you will - there's no need to repeat this often
[15:03] <elfy> euryale: what do you mean by 'installing gnome' exactly
[15:03] <xubuntu246> I understand
[15:04] <euryale> be able to switch from xfce to gnome desktop.
[15:04] <xubuntu246> otherwise it would have been a pay system
[15:04] <euryale> cause im having bugs with compiz installed in xfce, so i thought installing gnome would be compatible.
[15:05] <elfy> euryale: do you mean something like gnome-desktop?
[15:05] <euryale> yes.
[15:05] <elfy> then I doubt it - but I can't be sure
[15:06] <euryale> it's almost done with the installation i hope it ok and nothing breaks :)
[15:07] <elfy> you might end up with a bunch of duplicate menu entries/apps that do the same
[15:07] <euryale> ok it's finish, do i need to remove or just logout??
[15:07] <elfy> remove?
[15:07] <euryale> i mean reboot lol haha.
[15:08] <elfy> possibly - I would in that case
[15:08] <euryale> ok. brb
[15:09] <euryale> thanks :)
[15:15] <euryale> xubuntu246, hmmm successfully here in gnome.
[15:16] <xubuntu246> ?
[15:16] <euryale> gnome desktop i mean
[15:17] <elfy> personally I'd not call it a success - but glad you're sorted out :)
[15:17] <xubuntu246> I do not know how that's going to help me
[15:18] <euryale> but the thing is.. it looks ugly :p no offense to gnome users.
[15:18] <euryale> maybe switching to gnome classic..
[15:18] <euryale> brb again..
[15:19] <elfy> xubuntu246: more than you are in here looking for help
[15:19] <xubuntu246> euryale was talking to me so i got confuses
[15:20] <elfy> oh yea
[15:21] <elfy> xubuntu246: I've not been able to find anything about that card of yours, did it work in the live usb or whatever you installed from?
[15:21] <xubuntu246> it wasnt working on the usb and after the install it was not working
[15:22] <elfy> right
[15:33] <euryale> xubuntu246, oh my, it was horrible! that interface ughh.
[15:35] <xubuntu246> elfy which internet card would you recommend me if I'm going to buy a new one (this is still a bad card)
[15:36] <elfy> absolutely no Idea I'm afraid
[15:36] <xubuntu246> shit
[15:36] <xubuntu246> perhaps a quicker solution
[15:37] <xubuntu246> The card must be compatible
[15:40] <elfy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[15:42] <xubuntu246> elfy thanks this will do the job 4 me
[15:42] <xubuntu246> i just buy a new one
[15:42] <elfy> welcome
[15:48] <euryale> i have a problem, i already remove gnome desktop in xubuntu, but still it's taking over xfwm4. why is that? i rebooted the sytem but still nothing happened.
[15:48] <holstein> euryale: gnome doesnt ship with xubuntu.. did you install it?
[15:49] <euryale> yeah i wanted to try gnome and installed it in xubuntu.
[15:50] <holstein> euryale: how? how did you remove it? when you say "nothing is happening", what in fact *is* happening?
[15:50] <euryale> i removed it via software center and not in terminal. what i mean was unstalling gnome-desktop nothing happened its still there.
[15:51] <euryale> holstein, i'll be back, i will reboot the system.
[15:54] <euryale> holstein, im back :)
[15:55] <euryale> obviously gnome is still in xubuntu, i don't know y it wasn't remove.
[15:55] <holstein> euryale: what are you trying to remove? what exactly is happening?
[15:57] <Golynx> it almost sounds like the time i chmoded the root directory recursivly by accident and lost access to everything. Had to do a backup and reinstalled xubuntu to get the default  system settings back.
[15:59] <euryale> holstein, i did this line: sudo apt-get autoremove gnome-shell -y
[16:00] <euryale> it's currently removing gnome. i don't know why software center didn't remove it.
[16:31] <KnightSirThom> xorg crashed with SIGABRT    executable path /usr/bin/xorg   package  xserver-xorg-core 211.14.3-3 ubuntu2         what can I do to fix this reccurring problem?
[16:33] <brainwash> KnightSirThom: did you let apport send the report to launchpad?
[16:53] <chunhao> hey guys, new to linux here. my wallpaper is distorted after every boot, any idea?
[16:54] <brainwash> chunhao: login screen or actual session background?
[16:54] <chunhao> the wallpaper on dekstop
[16:55] <brainwash> does running "xfdesktop --reload" help?
[16:56] <xubuntu411> buonasera a tutti
[16:56] <brainwash> !it
[16:56] <chunhao> not sure for now, changing to another wallpaper will make it normal, but after a reboot it is distorted again
[16:56] <xubuntu411> qualcuno sa dirmi quali tipi di processori supporta xubuntu?
[16:57] <xubuntu411> spero qualcuno risponde :=)
[16:57] <Pici> !it
[16:57] <Pici> er, oops
[16:59] <brainwash> chunhao: that's strange, I suggest that you file a bug report on launchpad
[16:59] <brainwash> could be hardware/driver related
[16:59] <brainwash> simply run "ubuntu-bug xfdesktop4"
[17:00] <chunhao> i thought it is somewhat related to driver, but i checked the additional driver section insetting and there is no available driver
[17:06] <chunhao> report sent
[17:07] <chunhao> i have another problem, when select the default browser to chrome form chrome itself, it wont stick after something that require me to choose which browser to use pop up
[17:08] <brainwash> chunhao: did to verify that chrome is set as default in the settings manager? settings manager > preferred applications
[17:09] <brainwash> did you
[17:10] <chunhao> when i set chrome to be default browser from the preferred application, chrome says it is not the default on when i launch it, and when i set it as default on from chrome itself, the one i set in preferred application gets reset
[17:10] <brainwash> chrome's way to set the default browser might not work properly (for all cases)
[17:12] <brainwash> this link might be helpful http://askubuntu.com/questions/143221/how-to-set-up-google-chrome-as-default-browser-in-xubuntu
[17:15] <chunhao> thank you very much, now my last question for today, does the latest version of youtube-dl working for you, i cant get it to download a video
[17:17] <brainwash> chunhao: youtube-dl gets updated quite often, but the package in 13.10 might be outdated
[17:17] <brainwash> you could download the latest version from the official site
[17:18] <brainwash> it's just a python script after all
[17:18] <chunhao> i updated it to the latest version, hmm its ok, have to go now, i will try solve it tomorrow, happy to talk to you :)
[17:20] <brainwash_> chunhao: and regarding your xfdesktop4, you should add details about your hardware to the report
[17:20] <brainwash> see http://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/download.html
[17:20] <brainwash_> especially graphics card and driver in use
[18:33] <ezrhino> Hello. Even after disabling update manager from startup, it still runs . How can i make it on demand only?
[18:37] <brainwash_> ezrhino: disable it via settings manager > software & updates > updates (tab)
[18:39] <ezrhino> ty i will try now
[18:39] <ezrhino> there is no software and updates, updates
[18:40] <brainwash_> "software sources" maybe?
[18:40] <ezrhino> no
[18:40] <ezrhino> sessions ans startup?
[18:40] <ezrhino> where i disabled it first time
[18:40] <Golynx> ezrhino: try sudo update-manager
[18:41] <ezrhino> okay it opened
[18:42] <ezrhino> then closes very quickly
[18:42] <brainwash_> should be "software-properties-gtk"
[18:42] <ezrhino> okay i have it opened
[18:43] <Golynx> oh xfce-desktop is different :/
[18:44] <ezrhino> im in software sources and  if i turn off auto check, it still launches but it wont check when it does. I dont want it to even launch
[18:44] <ezrhino> under "update" tab
[18:45] <brainwash_> that's odd
[18:46] <ezrhino> very
[18:46] <ezrhino> was never an issue before
[18:46] <brainwash_> are there pending updates?
[18:46] <brainwash_> and what exactly launches?
[18:47] <brainwash_> the confirm dialog which tells the user that everything is up-to-date? :)
[18:48] <ezrhino> the actualy update manager lauches at boot and checks for updates
[18:48] <ezrhino> actual*
[18:48] <ezrhino> sometimes it finds, sometimes it doenst
[18:48] <elfy> I'd try - setting the updates to not checking, disable in startup apps - and then clear saved sessions
[18:48] <Golynx> ezrhino: if you can check this file if all the numbers show "0" then updates should be off /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic
[18:49] <ezrhino> checking
[18:50] <elfy> if it's that annoying - remove it - it won't show up then
[18:50] <ezrhino> 1,1,0,1
[18:51] <Golynx> yes its still on
[18:51] <ezrhino> all i want is for update manager to only launch when i want to check
[18:52] <Golynx> mine is always 0,0,0,0
[18:52] <ezrhino> cant open file to write
[18:52] <Golynx> you can sudo nano /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic and change those values to "0"
[18:52] <ezrhino> k
[18:54] <ezrhino> how do i tell it to save?
[18:56] <brainwash_> ctrl + x
[18:56] <Delan82> Lubuntu and Xubuntu. Which system is more lightweight today and better for not new netbook?
[18:56] <ezrhino> seems like it created more in apt.conf.d
[18:57] <brainwash_> Delan82: lubuntu is more lightweight
[18:57] <Delan82> You sure?
[18:57] <elfy> yes
[18:57] <ezrhino> now i have 10periodi,10periodic.save and 10periodic.save.1
[18:57] <Delan82> Xubuntu will slow work here ? :(
[18:58] <Delan82> KDE Gnome Unity all very slow
[18:58] <brainwash_> you can boot the live cd and test it
[18:58] <Golynx> ezrhino: the one with the changes in is the right one
[18:58] <ezrhino> will it access it? or do i need to delte the olds?
[18:59] <ezrhino> which i cant seem to do
[18:59] <Golynx> make sure its named 10periodic
[18:59] <ezrhino> k
[18:59] <Golynx> sudo thunar
[18:59] <ezrhino> rename is grayed out
[19:00] <ezrhino> ty
[19:00] <knome> Golynx, gksudo for graphical applications
[19:01] <knome> ezrhino, be careful with a root-access thunar.
[19:01] <Delan82> i cant test
[19:01] <Delan82> i can only install
[19:01] <knome> Delan82, how much RAM do you have?
[19:01] <Delan82> 1 gb
[19:01] <ezrhino> ty, thunar worked. i will reboot and try
[19:01] <ezrhino> i was careful :)
[19:01] <knome> Delan82, xubuntu should be able to run with that, but if you want maximum speed, i would go for lubuntu.
[19:01] <ezrhino> thunar is handy tool to know, ty
[19:02] <Delan82> And Ubuntu + Fluxbox - trash?
[19:02] <knome> Delan82, with 1GB, you might or might not think xubuntu is "smooth" (and it's not all about the RAM either)
[19:04] <ezrhino> same problem. Update manager launches at startup but says i must manually check
[19:04] <ezrhino> I dont want it to even launch
[19:05] <Golynx> Does /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic  still have the values ?
[19:05] <ezrhino> no all 0
[19:05] <Golynx> hmm
[19:06] <Golynx> must be a bug somewhere
[19:06] <ezrhino> ugh, just reared its head i guess. Anyway to like fix this and not have to reinstall os?
[19:06] <knome> Delan82, no reason why that wouldn't work as well, but that probably involves much more configuration.
[19:06] <nanotube> Delan82: fwiw, i have a dell mini 9 with 1gb ram running xubuntu - no problems. but as others say, best way is to try both. :)
[19:08] <ezrhino> ill make an ubuntu forum post cause i cant stay now. ty to everyone that tried to help
[19:09] <Golynx> yw
[20:20] <Dan_D> Hi there, got a slight issue. On the 'start menu' (button at top left) there is a section called 'Other'. It contains launchers that lead to programs I have deleted. How do I get rid of them? They do not show up in the settings manager!
[20:21] <Dan_D> And speaking of which, how do I generally delete launchers, not from the menu, but from the system generally, so they do not appear in things like the Open With application list when opening new file types?
[20:53] <goly> hello guys! im still pretty new to linux and heard a lot of ubuntu/canonical bashing on the internet. some of it convern things that ubuntu does different than others, like mir instead of wayland, etc. how will this affect ubuntu-based distros, especially that closely realted like xubuntu?
[20:55] <Unit193> We'll see, but Xfce upstream hasn't shown interest in Mir (or for that matter, I don't think wayland right now, too busy with gtk3/reallife.)  Some of the "problems" aren't there because Xubuntu simply isn't using Unity.
[21:02] <goly> Unit193, ok, so this is not like ubuntu heads into it's own direction which forces other ubuntu-based distros to make same controversial decisions, because the "core" of ubuntu wont support the other options?
[21:04] <Unit193> Mir/xmir was looked at last cycle, it wasn't ready so we didn't use it.  Some core changes are a bit of a lead/follow change, but Xubuntu is a community distro so may choose things differently.
[21:17] <goly> Unit193, ok, so this is more less what i wanted to know as a newb. thanks :)
[21:51] <jarnos> I can't connect to google (talk) account by Pidgin anymore.
[22:23] <JamesA> anyone able to help with some install issues?
[22:24] <holstein> JamesA: just ask
[22:25] <JamesA> I'm unable to successfully boot 12.04 and/or 13.10 from a usb. I've done this plenty of times before with other distros
[22:26] <JamesA> It usually hangs on the splash screen if i select try without installing. and if i try to just install it crashes due to some sort of sound card error
[22:26] <holstein> JamesA: what is the constant? same USB stick? same hardware?
[22:26] <JamesA> same hardware (Clevo W230ST), same usb
[22:27] <holstein> JamesA: think of it a bit like a scientific experient.. since, i know both of those boot, you can assume that, best case, they *should* boot.. so, you can start with teh md5 sum
[22:27] <holstein> !md5
[22:27] <holstein> then, the usb stick.. which, you can try on another machine to see
[22:27] <holstein> so on.. til you figure out whats going on
[22:29] <JamesA> I just did a fresh install of windows 8.1, and I am attempting to dual boot. I have successfully done this before with the latest version of openSUSE
[22:29] <JamesA> not sure if that information helps at all
[22:29] <holstein> JamesA: not really.. i mean, i can assure you on my hardware, i have installed both of those.. both suse and ubuntu
[22:29] <holstein> JamesA: so, can the stick you made boot on other hardware?
[22:29] <holstein> JamesA: is the md5 sum good for the iso you downloaded?
[22:30] <JamesA> yes and yes
[22:30] <holstein> JamesA: so, whats the issue? a black screen? an error?
[22:31] <Unit193> If it's Win8, need 64bit because of UEFI.  You can edit the boot options removing  quiet splash  to see what's actually going on and where it hangs.
[22:31] <JamesA> If i select "try without installing" on 13.10 it just hangs on the splash screen. 12.04 boots with no gui
[22:32] <JamesA> 12.04 would be my preferred choice
[22:32] <holstein> JamesA: you are using 64bit?
[22:32] <JamesA> yes
[22:33] <holstein> !nomodeset | JamesA is where i would start
[22:35] <JamesA> I read about that option a while ago, but I couldn't get to a stage where I could actually try it
[22:35] <JamesA> I'll try again though
[22:36] <JamesA> there was no option to press F6
[22:36] <holstein> it think you will want to tap shift to show that menu
[22:36] <JamesA> ah ok
[23:42] <KnightSirThom> brainwash: yes I sent the report a few times
[23:50] <brainwash_> KnightSirThom: your problem is xorg related, maybe someone will be able to help you if you actually link the bugreport(s)
[23:51] <brainwash_> and also try asking in #xorg


[16:59]  * jpatrick got the logbot back
[16:59] <Pricey> With irssi-proxy I somehow have an almost 9 second lag :/
[16:59] <Pici> Nice.
[16:59] <Pricey> jpatrick, where'd it go?
[16:59] <jpatrick> Pricey: lost in netsplit
[16:59] <nalioth> Pricey: get it right, you're tunneling through Oz to get here
[16:59] <Pricey> nalioth, nope
[17:00] <Pici> Do we have a 'how to ask' factoid thats not !ask?
[17:00] <Pricey> Its america, but still 9 seconds is excessive, especially when bip was near perfect.
[17:01] <Pricey> This is really wierd :/
[17:02] <Pricey> Ah that's much better... odd
[17:04] <Pricey> maybe it was just wierd while I synced
[17:04] <Pici> Hello from the future
[17:07] <Seeker`> by the time you read this, I will have wasted 9 seconds of my life
[17:09] <Pricey> "weird" grr
[17:10] <jussi01> can someone remind me how to add the date timestamp to my irssi?
[17:11] <Pici> /set timestamp_format
[17:12] <jpatrick> LjL: ubuntulog has joined #ubuntu-irc
[17:13] <jussi01> Pici: thanks, now could you remind me of the variable syntax?
[17:13] <Pici> jussi01: no idea.
[17:13] <Pici> jussi01: but I bet its on the irssi homepage.
[17:14] <Seeker`> timestamp_format = %H:%M:%S
[17:14] <jussi01> Seeker`: yeah, but what about for the date?
[17:14] <jussi01> Pici: if you have the date, could you call that without variables and tell me?
[17:15] <Seeker`> 'd guess %d %m and %y
[17:15] <Pici> jussi01: %m/%d/%y or just %D
[17:15] <jussi01> Pici: ahh, thank you
[17:16] <Pici> jussi01: http://irssi.org/documentation/settings#a_c
[17:16]  * jpatrick likes to keep irssi compact and just has %H:%M
[17:16] <Pici> I'm using %H:%M:%S, nice for knowing if someone in the past was flooding or not.
[17:21] <Seeker`> Pici++
[17:43] <ubotu> In ubotu, nikoPSK said: !typo is Please try to write your messages with the least amount of spelling mistakes possible so others can make sense of them.
[17:44] <Pici> heh.
[17:46] <Pici> LjL: Floodbots aren't kicking when someone ctcps the channel, only setting the ban.
[18:28] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-bots, DaSkreech said: ubotu: nick is By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration. Live CD users! Try changing your nick from ubuntu to something else with the command /nick mynewnick it may help you to get noticed from the many other livecd users
[18:28] <DaSkreech> hi Just sent in an amendment to the nick factoid
[18:32] <ikonia> !nick
[18:32] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[18:33] <ikonia> doesn't look like its updated
[18:33] <Pici> ikonia: because hes not a factoid editor.
[18:33] <ikonia> ah
[18:34] <Pici> DaSkreech: I personally don't think the addition is needed, but we can wait for some other op to show up.
[18:35] <ikonia> not many users in as "ubuntu" based nicks
[18:35] <DaSkreech> Pici: I was kinda asking for opinions
[18:44] <Guest77003> hey
[18:44] <Pici> Guest77003: Hello.
[18:45] <Pici> Guest77003: How can we help you today?
[18:45] <mysterycool> ok so see
[18:45] <mysterycool> i was a windows user and today i installed linux. but i was stupid enough to make the partitions while the install of linux so my windows were deleted
[18:45] <Pici> mysterycool: This isnt a support channel.
[18:46] <mysterycool> yeah its not for this that i want help with
[18:46] <mysterycool> so i need to join #ubuntu to ask quite a few stuff for getting started cuz online guides can get a bit confusing
[18:46] <mysterycool> but it says that im banned :s
[18:46] <Pici> !proxy | mysterycool
[18:46] <ubotu> mysterycool: Many Ubuntu IRC channels prohibit access from !proxies such as !TOR due to a high level of abuse. You can however obtain a hostmask cloak: see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
[18:47] <Pici> mysterycool: We dont allow java irc clients into #ubuntu due to abuse.
[18:47] <mysterycool> ooh. well i was gonna download an irc client
[18:47] <mysterycool> but i have NO idea how the hell u install it on linux
[18:47] <mysterycool> and online guides didnt really help
[18:47] <mysterycool> so i really need someone to explain
[18:47] <DaSkreech> !synaptic | mysterycool
[18:47] <ubotu> mysterycool: synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[18:48] <Pici> mysterycool: If you are running gnome, there already is one installed, applications>internet>xchat I believe.
[18:48] <mysterycool> no xchat :s
[18:48] <DaSkreech> Pici: Nope
[18:48] <no0tic> Pici, xchat isn't installed, only pidgin is
[18:48] <DaSkreech> No IRC is installed by default with ubuntu
[18:48] <DaSkreech> Not counting pidgin
[18:48] <mysterycool> yeah i only have pidgin
[18:48]  * DaSkreech boots up from live cd often enough to know
[18:48] <Pici> DaSkreech: ah, I've been spending too much time in Hardy.
[18:49] <DaSkreech> mysterycool: That does IRC well enough to get connected
[18:49] <Pici> mysterycool: pidgin can connect to irc.
[18:49] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: and Pidgin isn't counted, because...
[18:49] <DaSkreech> Pici: It comes with xchat by default now?
[18:49] <mysterycool> btw one question. with wine i can make all software of windows run on linux?
[18:49] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: Cause one doesn't open up An instant messenger which pidgin is clearly labeled as to go on IRC ?
[18:49] <Pici> mysterycool: No. And like I said, this isnt a support channel, its only for operator issues.
[18:50] <mysterycool> ok so what i need is just to be able to join #ubuntu
[18:50] <no0tic> Tm_T, pidgin isn't configured otb for joining #ubuntu on freenode. It doesn't know anything about irc nets
[18:51] <mysterycool> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto -> this is for what?
[18:51] <Pici> mysterycool: how to install software.  Install xchat and you should be good.
[18:52] <mysterycool> wait, so synaptic is a program that I can download? -_-
[18:52] <DaSkreech> mysterycool: No Click on Applications -> Add/remove programs
[18:52] <DaSkreech> It shoudl be easy from there
[18:53] <mysterycool> ah k
[18:54] <mysterycool> thanks downloaded ;)
[18:54] <mysterycool> cya and thanks again ;)
[18:54] <mysterycool> (sry for asking all those questions but i am really a newbie on linux :p)
[19:05] <Pici> arg.
[19:06] <DaSkreech> ay matey!
[19:06] <DaSkreech> Thar she blows!
[19:08] <jpatrick> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/02/15/%23ubuntu-ops.html - woohoo
[19:08] <Pici> jpatrick: how long was it out for?
[19:08] <DaSkreech> Eh?
[19:08] <jpatrick> Pici: less than a day
[19:09] <Pici> jpatrick: What do you think about adding information to the !register factoid about using the nick 'ubuntu'?
[19:09]  * DaSkreech laughs at the small size diffrential between kubuntu.html and ubuntu.html
[19:09] <jpatrick> Pici: what DaSkreech suggested?
[19:10] <Pici> jpatrick: yeah.
[19:10] <DaSkreech> Pici: it also lets people know they can change thier nick with /nick
[19:10] <DaSkreech> it was two messages I was trying to akwardly tack in :)
[19:10] <jpatrick> Pici: should be in a different fact, like !liveuser
[19:11] <DaSkreech> jpatrick: How about the ability to cahnge your nick with /nick should that be under !nick ?
[19:11] <DaSkreech> change
[19:11] <LjL> that's already aliased to !register
[19:12] <LjL> !no register is <reply> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select a nickname to use.
[19:12] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[19:12] <DaSkreech> Yeah something like that
[19:13] <LjL> !register
[19:13] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname.
[19:13] <LjL> !nick
[19:13] <Pici> spam protection.
[19:14] <LjL> Pici: yeah, was just to show they were the same
[19:14] <DaSkreech> !nick | Pici
[19:14] <ubotu> Pici: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about registering your nickname: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname.
[19:14] <Pici> !-nick
[19:14] <ubotu> nick is <alias> register - added by LjL on 2007-02-09 18:13:37
[19:14] <DaSkreech> Thanks :)
[19:25] <jpatrick> HYPOKRIT - #ubuntu- troll?
[19:27] <Pici> probably.
[19:36] <jpatrick> Pici: yep, he is to me
[19:42] <ikonia> ahh your already disscussing him
[19:42] <ikonia> can someone do someyhing with HYPOKRIT
[19:43] <jpatrick> ikonia: one more chance
[19:43] <ikonia> getting a bit tedious
[19:43] <jpatrick> then we ! ----asda ops
[19:44] <ikonia> enoguh now
[19:44] <ikonia> he's telling people to reboot
[19:45]  * Pricey wonders why he's now seeing plus signs before all messages.
[19:45] <ompaul> voiced
[19:45] <jpatrick> yep
[19:45] <Pricey> It wasn't doing that before though...
[19:46] <jpatrick> heh
[19:49] <Pricey> Its happenning in #ubuntu too...
[19:49] <Pricey> except sometimes there are minus signs
[19:49] <credible> Pricey: that would be the result of /quote capab identify-msg
[19:50] <credible> Pricey: that would be the result of /quote capab identify-msg
[19:50] <Pricey> credible, lost you.
[19:51] <credible> the + means the user is identified, the - means they're not
[19:51] <Pricey> Aha right.
[19:51] <Pricey> Thankyou.
[19:51] <Pricey> That could maybe kind of be useful sometimes...
[19:51] <Pricey> credible, do you have any idea how it could have been randomly turned on?
[19:52] <credible> there's a script for irssi that lets you creatively format it
[19:52] <credible> so I put ~ in front of unidentified nicks
[19:52] <credible> no clue :)
[19:52] <Pricey> How is it turned back off?
[19:57] <ompaul> !staff | <DigiMasTer> my new script http://rs97.rapidshare.com/files/91484126/mirc.zip
[19:57] <ompaul> banned in #ubuntu
[19:59] <Dave2> gone
[20:00] <Pici> I have my capab identify-msg set to stick ? in front of un-ided users.
[20:01] <Dave2> Pricey, you can't turn it off
[20:01] <Pici> He could unload the script.
[20:01] <Dave2> do you possibly use irssi-proxy?
[20:01] <Pricey> Dave2, I can't even turn it back on.
[20:01] <Pricey> I do yes.
[20:01] <Dave2> with xchat?
[20:01] <Pricey> haha yes
[20:01] <Dave2> Yeah, that'll do it; xchat sends CAPAB IDENTIFY-MSG
[20:02] <Dave2> it then has no defaults to deal with it, which is somewhat annoying, but you can tweak it to display it.
[20:02] <Pricey> meh i'm fine with it displaying again if it appears
[20:03] <Pricey> aha yes, a disconnect then reconnect and they all appear again.
[20:04] <Pricey> Thanks Dave2, credible.
[20:04] <Dave2> It breaks /mes in irssi unless you load a script to deal with it
[20:05] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, recon said: !no, SYN is <reply> ACK
[20:06] <Dave2> also, since it's quite useful to know whether someone's identified or not in general, you can `/set irc_id_ntext ~` and modify your channel message event to be "%C2<%C$4%O$1%C2>%O$t$2%O" or similar.
[20:06] <Dave2> ($4 is the variable showing IDd status)
[20:08] <Pricey> Yeah I'd noticed the /me's... that last bit I think I'll read over a couple of times to work it out :)
[20:33] <mneptok> but first, the tranya.
[20:34] <nalioth> mmmm tranya
[20:35] <nalioth> did you bring enough for all of us, mneptok ?
[20:37] <mneptok> of course. i hope you relish it as much as i.
[20:48]  * Pricey finds toma.w's format_identify script
[20:56] <Pricey> Haha, just noticed the "auto_bleh/chanserv on steroids"
[20:56] <Pricey> script for klining in there
[20:56]  * Pricey hits his enter key
[21:02] <ompaul> Pricey, you is not plus the right stuff or that would be very dangerous :)
[21:52] <Pricey> I see that http://ircarc.com/network/ is logging us.
[21:53] <Aloha> is anyone officially in charge of #ubuntu-us-hi anymore?
[21:53] <Pricey> Aloha, kitofhawaii still owns it. I believe he was going to give it to a "scott"?
[21:54] <Aloha> i havn't seen either one of them in ahwile... Scott was supposed to take the lead but I think he flaked
[21:55] <Pricey> Aloha, I'd suggest sending him an email to see what's up.
[21:55] <Aloha> ok.
[21:56] <ompaul> nalioth, remind me if ircarc were given permission to log here
[21:57] <Pricey> ompaul, http://ircarc.com/freenode-ubuntu-ops/4.html
[21:57] <Pricey> read the end of that
[21:57] <Pricey> I assume it isn't being logged anymore, hard to find dates.
[21:59] <ompaul> aye
[22:00] <Pricey> oh wait... date at the very top... I'm not very good today am I.
[22:01] <Aloha> what steps should i take if i don't hear back from kit or scott?
[22:01] <Pricey> Aloha, I would suggest you get hold of kit.
[22:01] <Aloha> ok
[22:35] <emma> Hello is LJL here?
[22:40] <ompaul> it would be rather late in .it so LjL may not be here
[22:41] <emma> Oh he's Italian?
[22:41] <ompaul> well he sure as whatever ain't Irish
[22:41] <Pricey> ompaul, :)
[22:41] <emma> I don't have any information to go by.
[22:41] <ompaul> or for that matter English
[22:41] <ompaul> Pricey, ack
[22:42] <ompaul> Pricey, root kit my machine and make it do "stuff" please :-)
[22:43] <ompaul> emma, what is on your mind?
[22:44] <Pricey> ompaul, people keep PMing me, despite my signature saying not to and why, then asking me to ssh in to their machines and fix them for them.
[22:44] <Pricey> Then they get annoyed when I suggest I'm evil and random, and am going to be installing something evil.
[22:45] <ompaul> Pricey, na I know what you are - and I said stuff I really don't care ;-)
[22:45] <ompaul> hehehe
[22:45] <ompaul> Pricey, would not ask if you were not evil
[22:45] <ompaul> etc etc etc
[22:45] <ompaul> emma, what is on your mind?
[22:45] <emma> Well I'm embarrassed to say I was banned from ubuntu-offtopic a few days ago, so hopefully eventually I can talk to someone and start over.
[22:45] <ompaul> ahh
[22:46] <Pricey> emma, remind me, (i do remember, i actually just want you to explain) why you were banned.
[22:48] <Aloha> yay kahrytan's at it again
[22:49] <Aloha> Pricey: how do you do that? is that an op thing?
[22:49] <emma> I was saying some things about the philosophy of voting that could be construed and political. So I was kicked. I got miffed and made a sequence of passive aggressive comments that pushed my luck too far.
[22:49] <Pricey> oh for pete's sake..
[22:49] <Pricey> Aloha, /notice nickname message
[22:55] <emma> My comments were not really productive but they were not directed at any of the ubuntu channels or any of the ubuntu-ops, and they were not vulgar or really very malicious. It just happened that I should have probably left chat for a while and things would have been fine. So hopefully we can work it out because I am very reasonable and I know the ops here are too.
[23:00] <Pricey> one moment emma
[23:00] <emma> k
[23:10] <Pricey> emma, have you read the ubuntu-irc irc guidelines?
[23:12] <emma> Yes I've read them now.
[23:12] <Pricey> Do you agree to abide by them whilst in Ubuntu channels?
[23:13] <emma> Yes.
[23:14] <Pricey> emma, next time...
[23:14] <Pricey> 1) Calm down, go grab a cup of your favourite beverage, and do something else for 1/2 an hour. Realise that the intarwebs don't really matter.
[23:15] <jdong> Pricey: (1) favorite (2) realize (3) didn't you mean "mattre" so I could correct you and say matter?
[23:15] <emma> *nods*
[23:15] <kahrytan> Attention all -ops and IRC Council members, Any continued harrasssment of myself from any -ops member will result in report to Ubuntu Community Council. If they fail to correct the problem, then it will goto Canonical. The problem the continued harrassment and respect of IRC Ubuntu Ops and Council members. I will not tolerate it any longer.  This not a empty threat, it is a promise that continued harrassment will be reported. Do not
[23:15] <kahrytan> private message me for at least 48 hours and correct your behavior. Violation of Code of Conduct will not be tolerated.
[23:15] <Pricey> 2) If you are still a little miffed, /msg the user/operator you've been annoyed by and try to sort it out in a calm manner.
[23:15] <jdong> O_O
[23:15] <Pricey> He practised that....
[23:15] <Pricey> He's talking about me by the way.
[23:15] <jdong> Pricey: he forgot to split his first rant correctly
[23:16] <jdong> how am I supposed to know what I'm not supposed to do?!?!!
[23:16]  * jdong runs around in circles
[23:16] <jdong> oh nvm it was wrapped
[23:16] <Pricey> emma, I have removed the ban in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[23:16] <jdong> wait, do not correct behavior or is that not distributive?
[23:16] <emma> Okay thank you.
[23:17] <Pici> Pricey: How did you 'harass' him this time?
[23:17] <kahrytan> Oh yeah, I forgot to mention. any harrassment or respect from Ubuntu Community Council or Canonical will result in contacting UK Ambassador to USA.
[23:17]  * Pici rolleyes
[23:18] <jdong> err... what will the UK ambassador do?
[23:19] <Pricey> jdong, I'm trying to think of a witty british spelling to reply with.
[23:19] <credible> at least he doesn't live in the same city as me anymore :/
[23:20] <mc44> not the ambassador!
[23:22] <Pricey> emma, anything else we can help you with?
[23:24] <ompaul> jdong, take have him arrested for harassment?
[23:24] <emma> Okies, thanks very much, see you all later (or maybe hopefully not here :) )
[23:24] <ompaul> cheers emma
[23:26]  * Gary giggles
[23:26] <Pici> d0nuts, LiENUS, can we help you?
[23:27]  * mc44 will help Pricey flee to the cayman islands
[23:27] <Pricey> I thought you said "fly" for a second...
[23:27] <Pricey> I'm very impressionable atm, was just reading about swallows.
[23:27] <mc44> the canon doesn't have that much range
[23:27] <mc44> *cannon too
[23:28] <ompaul> guess not
[23:28] <ompaul> please note the topic
[23:28] <ompaul> if you have no direct business here you may be asked to leave
[23:29] <ompaul> who is that mc44 guy anyway :P
[23:29] <Gary> dunno, some troll
[23:29] <mc44> I'm the UK ambassador to the USA
[23:29] <mc44> I'm here for a Mr. Child
[23:29] <ompaul> LiENUS, how can we help you?
[23:29] <ompaul> mc44, grow up :P
[23:30] <Pici> mc44: psst, its Mr. Price
[23:30] <mc44> Pici: he has many aliases, is a slippery fellow
[23:30] <ompaul> Pici, my pun and no one said anything
[23:30] <Pici> ompaul: ugh.
[23:42] <Pricey> I'm not looking forward to learning how to ban ipv6 cleverly.
[23:43] <Pici> *:*:*:*:*:
[23:44]  * Gary sets mode +b *
[23:45] <Gary> would that work?
[23:45] <Pici> Gary: You're the staffer... why are you asking us?
[23:46] <Pici> And probably not.  needs to be in the format *!*@*
[23:46] <Gary> in answer to priceys question
[23:46] <Pricey> I know.... but learning which sections of it mean what.
[23:46]  * Pici shrugs
[23:46] <Pricey> For example ipv4 addresses in ipv6
[23:46] <tomaw> (Any present but banned and voiced users can still speak, just not rejoin)
[23:47] <LjL> * alone is invalid, technically
[23:47] <Pricey> I'll figure it out when I need to :)
[23:47] <LjL> although i think the server would turn it into a *!*@* automatically - not entirely sure
[23:47] <Pici> irssi doesnt let me set +b on *
[23:47] <Pricey> it does
[23:48] <LjL> Pricey: that might just be your client doing that
[23:48] <Pricey> perhaps
[23:48] <LjL> just playing devil's advocate you know
[23:49] <LjL> anyway yes it does
[23:50] <Pricey> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat/+bug/191691
[23:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191691 in xchat-gnome "To prevent dcc exploit, default port should be 8001 for irc.ubuntu.com" [Medium,Confirmed]
[23:51]  * Pricey files a bug on ubotu not giving both statuses
[23:51] <Pricey> The xchat client from hardy now defaults to 8001 for freenode.


 Oof
 @kokonutti [Yes], Once set up its actually very easy to use fwiw
 @Fuseteam [Oof], I'm actually looking into a package manager that may work with ut ro rootfs but armhf is not officially supported
 @Fuseteam [Oof], [Edit] I'm actually looking into a package manager that may work with ut ro rootfs but armhf is not officially supported btw
 @Fuseteam [Oof], [Edit] I'm actually looking into a package manager that may work with ut ro rootfs but armhf is not officially supported by it
 @Fuseteam [Once set up its actually very easy to use fwiw], Okay, maybe I should try and do orb
 @Fuseteam [Once set up its actually very easy to use fwiw], [Edit] Okay, maybe I should try and do it
 Thanks to everyone for listening my stupid questions and answering in such nice manner
 @Fuseteam [Once set up its actually very easy to use fwiw], And apps installed in it are mostly non touch supported?
 (which is no problem for me)
 @kokonutti [Armv7], Dumb question, does that support armhf packages
 @kokonutti [Dumb question, does that support armhf packages], This night be out of scope but if it does I'll be happy
 Anyone else notice micro stutters with audio playback on the xperia x? … wired or bluetooth
[06:44] <ubptgbot> MartinWendt was added by: MartinWendt
 Good morning and Hi. Pine phone anyone here? :)
 @MartinWendt [Good morning and Hi. Pine phone anyone here? :)], Why not try https://t.me/utonpine
 thanks for the link, I finally tested it on TELEports 😄
 Florian: ah, thnks. so you suggest that rather?
 @MartinWendt [Florian: ah, thnks. so you suggest that rather?], Here you will also find Pinephone people but why not go for the concentrated essence of it ,9
 @Schmuel [The only thing I mentioned so far is that the sync of CalDav is a bit slow (but …], I think you are very competent in daily work with CalDav, so I want to ask you a question: Do you know a calendar suitable for UT, where it is possible, to copy and insert a date with 2 klicks or kontext-menu? I have the same daily dates oft
[08:30] <ubptgbot> en in one week and I don`t want to edit each date, it is boring. Till this time, I use WeekCal on Iphone, where it is possible to copy and insert and want to use Vollaphone for daily use. Thank you!
 @Floh
 [Edit] @Flohack You're right :) Thanks and have a nice day!
 @nadennmallos [I think you are very competent in daily work with CalDav, so I want to ask you a …], I'm afraid I can't help you with that, as I am new to UT as well. I didn't found such a feature since now. … But this doesn't affect me that much as I manage most of the date with my Ubuntu PC running Thunderbird... maybe someone else here
[08:36] <ubptgbot> can help you with the issue
 @Schmuel [I'm afraid I can't help you with that, as I am new to UT as well. I didn't found …], Thank you, in Volla Usergroup they don`t have a answer too. Marc Aurel says, it is only possible to edit the event.
 In VollaOS, too
 @Javacookies [Anyone else notice micro stutters with audio playback on the xperia x? … wired or …], While listening to local or online stream?
 @nadennmallos [I think you are very competent in daily work with CalDav, so I want to ask you a …], In Calendar app in  UT, you can set repetitions. You just have to define that in the "Details" part of the event.
 @nadennmallos [Thank you, in Volla Usergroup they don`t have a answer too. Marc Aurel says, it …], Copy it on desktop and then synch the calendar
 @nadennmallos [I think you are very competent in daily work with CalDav, so I want to ask you a …], I thought about that feature being useful too for irregular repeated events. First step might be to create a feature request at calendar apps repo.
 @libremax [In Calendar app in  UT, you can set repetitions. You just have to define that in …], Thank you, I know, but the time of the events are changing, so I had to edit them all. I found KOrganizer from KDE-Community, there it is possible to copy and paste the event in another day. But yet it dos`nt fit to Smartphonescreen. Perha
[10:04] <ubptgbot> ps it will be edited in future, when KDE is shipped with Pinephone.
 @waldbursche [Copy it on desktop and then synch the calendar], Yes Joerg, this is possible, but not when I`ḿ not near desktop, only with Smartphone.
 @Danfro [I thought about that feature being useful too for irregular repeated events. Fir …], You are right, I will do this.
[10:10] <ubptgbot> mahmoudtark25 was added by: mahmoudtark25
[10:50] <ubptgbot> dubsky_vojtech_cetin was added by: dubsky_vojtech_cetin
[10:51] <ubptgbot> Dubak was added by: Dubak
 Anybody here able to work on a port for the Realme XT? I can test. Or compile a patched kernel to try the GSI?
 Regarding that.. you better ask in your device specific community
[11:47] <ubptgbot> adgellida was added by: adgellida
 Hi all haha
 @adgellida [Hi all haha], Welcome
 @kokonutti [And apps installed in it are mostly non touch supported?], Yes
 @kokonutti [Dumb question, does that support armhf packages], That's what armv7 is
 @Fuseteam [That's what armv7 is], armhf is armv6, but armv7 CPUs can run armhf OSs and stuff
 it's slightly different I think
 nevermind I'm wrong
 @Ozu [Regarding that.. you better ask in your device specific community], I have. Here also seemed like a logical place to make an inquiry. Realme devices are cheap, built fairly well and price to spec offer great value in general. They also allow bootloaders to be unlocked. I'm honestly surprised they're not more popular with developers
[12:26] <ubptgbot> .
 yeah..they certainly are better than xiaomi and other chinese vendors
[13:03] <addy> I am working on a very simple and highly configurable image editor, that should also run on mobile linux. Unfortunately I do not own a ubuntu touch phone or something similar. It would be nice, if someone has time to test if my hobby project runs on ubuntu touch and/or could tell me what should be improved.
[13:04] <addy> This is the link to my project: https://gitlab.com/AdamSchrey/image_and_buttons
[13:04] <addy> You can give me feedback under: https://gitlab.com/AdamSchrey/image_and_buttons/-/issues/1
[13:04] <gitbot> image_and_buttons issue 1 in image_and_buttons "image_and_buttons on different linux phones" [Opened]
 @j_mizzle [I have. Here also seemed like a logical place to make an inquiry. Realme devices …], I Agree ,I am using realme 6 pro and would love to run Ubuntu touch
 Install OTA 14 in oneplus 3t and everything works gs-droid for camera without problems, but the new UBports-installer 0.7.2 does not recognize oneplus 3t, I had to do it with the previous version 0.6.0 and it worked 100%
 Now i have sms and call sounds
 @NunoRocha51 [Install OTA 14 in oneplus 3t and everything works gs-droid for camera without pr …], Does video recording work on your Op3t with gst-droid? It doesn't work on mine.
[13:29] <ubptgbot> abiomass was added by: abiomass
 Ubport up and running on xiaomi mi a3. Works smoothly, great job. Thanks
 @Nagendra [I Agree ,I am using realme 6 pro and would love to run Ubuntu touch], 6.5 inch 1080p amoled, 8GB RAM, 128GB expandable storage, snapdragon 712, unlockable bootloader. $300.
[13:59] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> (Photo, 380x800) https://irc.ubports.com/vEfTyP6R.png Where's the wallpaper for this?
 @Stefano0101 [Does video recording work on your Op3t with gst-droid? It doesn't work on mine.], No,video recordador doselete work oponlo fotos
 is there a ubuntu touch group for raspberry pi?
 @Stefano0101 [Does video recording work on your Op3t with gst-droid? It doesn't work on mine.], Video recording no only camera to meke fotos
 @NunoRocha51 [Install OTA 14 in oneplus 3t and everything works gs-droid for camera without pr …], There is a new version of Ubports Installer, 0.7.4 ; not sure it corrects thing for you. May be you can give it a try.
 @NunoRocha51 [Install OTA 14 in oneplus 3t and everything works gs-droid for camera without pr …], [Edit] There is a new version of Ubports Installer, 0.7.4 ; not sure it corrects thing for you. May be you can give it a try and if not report the issue.
 Ok
 @joeth [armhf is armv6, but armv7 CPUs can run armhf OSs and stuff], Ohw? Hmmm
 @joeth [nevermind I'm wrong], Ohw hehe
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/qQPyRa0r.webp
 @ItsMeShouko [is there a ubuntu touch group for raspberry pi?], yes: https://t.me/UBports_pi
 Thanks
 @Nagendra [I Agree ,I am using realme 6 pro and would love to run Ubuntu touch], @j_mizzle fwiw the people most likely and able to port ubuntu touch to realme devices are the owners of realme devices; if you guys are interested the instructions can be found at https://docs.ubports.com under the porting section
 @Fuseteam gsi should be working with all devices right.. Even an obscure one?
 [Edit] @Fuseteam gsi should be working with all devices right.. Even an obscure one? If your halium is successfully built
 Yes but need the actual device to test it
 So if it does not boot only problem are to be expected from device tree..
 Is the kernel patched?
 [Edit] Is the kernel patched properly?
 Halium-boot
 you might find help with porting easier in http://t.me/halium btw
 @Ozu [So if it does not boot only problem are to be expected from device tree..], no
 because we modify kernel and system is set up in a different way from Android, there are enough things that can go wrong
 When I install the gsi.. Recovery shows no os … .
 [Edit] When I install the gsi.. Recovery shows no os.. And does not even boot
 that's is totally normal, need logs to figure out what is going on, but that is for Halium or UBPorts Porting group
 [Edit] that is totally normal, need logs to figure out what is going on, but that is for Halium or UBPorts Porting group
 OKay
 [Edit] that is totally normal, need logs to figure out what is going on, but that is for Halium or UBPorts Porting group (preferably the later)
 So https://t.me/halium or https://t.me/ubports_porting
 @Ozu [@Fuseteam gsi should be working with all devices right.. Even an obscure one? If …], That was my understanding as well. I'd try building a kernel with the patches for the XT if I had a machine to do so. So all I can do is offer to test if anybody else with the device decides to make the attempt. I'm pretty confident it isn't going
[14:51] <ubptgbot> to work but I've seen some neat things done using Termux so I might see if setting up a build environment using Termux is possible. As I've said, even if it happens to work I feel compiling anything would take a long time.
 @NunoRocha51 [Install OTA 14 in oneplus 3t and everything works gs-droid for camera without pr …], sorry to hear that. could you try again with this one for me https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/releases/tag/0.7.4-beta ? if it doesn't work, it'd be great if you could use the integrated bug reporting feature and i'll try and
[15:20] <ubptgbot> help you
 I install with 0.6.0 but with 0.7.2 dosen't work
 @NunoRocha51 [I install with 0.6.0 but with 0.7.2 dosen't work], Please try with the one in link, that's 0.7.4
 Ok
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/2iN2hlai.png Dosen't work
 Device not suported
 I'm surprised it says msm8996 as the device codename
 For redmi note 4 still no official updates meanwhile unofficial port exists but it's not bug free and stable lol
 @fredldotme [I'm surprised it says msm8996 as the device codename], With the old version 0.6.0  work 100%
 Doesn't mean it's right ;)
 @NunoRocha51 [<reply to media>], @neothethird
 Are you using and Android ROM on it currently?
 No
 I don't use android only UT
 @NunoRocha51 [<reply to media>], interesting, is it in bootloader mode or system / recovery?
 Bootloader
 Fastboot
 ok, then that's the issue. what's new in the installer's 7.x series is that it's also able to detect device types from fastboot getvar. it was to be expected that we would have to add new aliases, but this is a little annoying, because msm8996 is not a device id, but the name of the chipset. if we have multiple devices with the same c
[15:40] <ubptgbot> hipset, we'll have trouble and suffering
 [Edit] ok, then that's the issue. what's new in the installer's 7.x series is that it's also able to detect device types from fastboot getvar. it was to be expected that we would have to add new aliases, but this is a little annoying, because msm8996 is not a device id, but the name of the chipset. if we have multiple devices with the
[15:40] <ubptgbot>  same chipset and they all don't set this var properly, we'll have trouble and suffering
 let's try it anyway and see how soon it breaks 🙃
 ok
 https://github.com/ubports/installer-configs/pull/47
[15:47] <gitbot> ubports issue (Pull request) 47 in installer-configs "Add msm8996 alias for oneplus3" [Open]
 alright, thanks for reporting @NunoRocha51. it's always important that we're made aware of the issues, so we can fix them for everyone :)
 @gitbot [ubports issue (Pull request) 47 in installer-configs "Add msm8996 alias for onep …], good bot
 Are there any official builds for Xiaomi device's?
 https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 https://forums.ubports.com/category/46/devices
 Hmm
 Thanks
 Still my device is missing
 Hahahaha 😂
 @abiomass [Ubport up and running on xiaomi mi a3. Works smoothly, great job. Thanks], Who made the port?
 @Stereofont [Who made the port?], Mintphin
 https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/laurel-sprout/
[18:17] <ubptgbot> me33YT was added by: me33YT
[18:22] <ubptgbot> Atharva23 was added by: Atharva23
 how to flash Ubuntu touch in redmi 4A
 [Edit] how to flash Ubuntu touch in redmi 4A please reply i am in recovery
 [Edit] how to flash Ubuntu touch in redmi 4A !!please reply i am in recovery!!
 Is 4A supported? I thought only 4X
 https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/rolex/ see this
 It is not supported by the installer. Please read that post and ask in the forum
 so how can i install this
 You have the steps on the forum
 @mimecar [You have the steps on the forum], in xda
 UBports forum
 @mimecar [You have the steps on the forum], [Edit] in xda ??
 Under new devices
 can you please send me a link of forum i am unable to find it
 Maybe start here … https://forums.ubports.com/topic/3682/xiaomi-redmi-4x-santoni
 this is for redmi 4X not for redmi 4A
 https://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-4a/development/ubuntu-touch-rolex-redmi4a-t4058619
 Use that
 @Anon211 [Are there any official builds for Xiaomi device's?], You are lucky some year ago we had zero ;)
 @Atharva23 [this is for redmi 4X not for redmi 4A], The porter has not created a thread. Maybe someone in there knows something.  So, the porter needs to own it.
 there's work happening to get recovery working for the GSI based devices
 There will never be a unique way to flash it like an Android ROM
 once that's done a lot more devices will show up in the installer
 @dohbee [once that's done a lot more devices will show up in the installer], sweet!
 And not even LineageOS has all devices. You need to find a device thats compatible, not we have to make UT compatible with all devices
 well assuming that is all that's needed still
 @Flohack [And not even LineageOS has all devices. You need to find a device thats compatib …], I just found its concept cool, and being a ubuntu user, having that experience on phone is new
 but recovery and system-image working are really the big pieces needed for getting things installable via installer
 @me33YT [I just found its concept cool, and being a ubuntu user, having that experience o …], it is not the same as using ubuntu on a PC. phones are still not PCs :)
 @dohbee [it is not the same as using ubuntu on a PC. phones are still not PCs :)], they surpass them thougu
 @dohbee [it is not the same as using ubuntu on a PC. phones are still not PCs :)], [Edit] they surpass them thougj
 @dohbee [it is not the same as using ubuntu on a PC. phones are still not PCs :)], [Edit] they surpass them though
 I run linux on my core 2 duo and my current phone has more cores and clocks higher than it
 🤣
[21:30] <ubptgbot> AaradhyaChatterjee was added by: AaradhyaChatterjee
 ok. i'm just saying, don't expect the same user experience you have with linux on your PC
 @dohbee [ok. i'm just saying, don't expect the same user experience you have with linux o …], it will be a good one nevertheless, a good change from android
 @me33YT [it will be a good one nevertheless, a good change from android], +1
 @me33YT [it will be a good one nevertheless, a good change from android], Two things to keep in mind with ut: … - Rootfs is readonly, so apt doesn't work out of the box. … - Rootfs is 2GB due to the cache limitations of phones … There ways to work around these limitations but they don't involve apt
 @nadennmallos [You are right, I will do this.], Done. https://gitlab.com/ubports/apps/calendar-app/-/issues/199
[22:21] <gitbot> Apps issue 199 in calendar-app "feature request: add option to copy a event into a new event" [Opened]
 @Fuseteam [Two things to keep in mind with ut: … - Rootfs is readonly, so apt doesn't work ou …], ouch!
 well, a workaround is there, and I dont mind spending 10 minutes or so fixing it, I have a question though … my phone space is 64gb, how will this space be used?


[19:55] <teward> balloons: alive?
[20:31] <flocculant> teward: I sadly shot an arrow at him last night :(
[20:31] <teward> flocculant: ?
[20:31] <teward> OH
[20:31] <teward> you mean the thing I"m poking ballons, -community-team, and -doc about
[20:31] <teward> :P
[20:32] <flocculant> no - I meant balloons - he popped :(
[20:32] <teward> oh
[20:32] <teward> flocculant: he's alive right now :)
[20:32] <flocculant> and yes I know what you're poking him about really ;)
[20:32] <balloons> something like that indeed
[20:32] <flocculant> balloons: !!!!
[20:32] <teward> with regards to THAT person, arrows don't work
[20:33] <flocculant> bazooka
[20:33] <teward> bah
[20:33] <teward> that's low-scale
[20:33] <teward> I was thinking katyusha rockets
[20:33] <flocculant> :)
[20:35] <teward> (don't blame me, i have been watching a documentary on World War II)
[20:35] <balloons> anyways, how's things flocculant?
[20:35] <flocculant> balloons: all good here thanks :)
[20:36] <flocculant> getting a few new people interested in our qa stuff
[20:37] <flocculant> pushing more packagy things this cycle we are
[20:40] <balloons> flocculant, yes, I've seen such things
[20:40] <balloons> getting a better response as well I trust?
[20:40] <flocculant> than the last few cycles yep
[20:40] <balloons> everything a-ok on the package tracker? BTW, it seems the LTS will have some new default packages for ubuntu. Is xubuntu changing any defaults?
[20:41] <balloons> we'll need to review the manual test suites again and make sure we have coverage
[20:41] <flocculant> my new team member is setting up a session for us for new people
[20:41] <flocculant> balloons: we might be losing a default
[20:41] <flocculant> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2015-November/010948.html
[20:42] <flocculant> balloons: also ofc - we'll be affected by what happens with usc
[20:42] <flocculant> really need to find out if that's REALLY happening - we're a bit mumbly about wanting yet another gnome thing
[20:47] <flocculant> and yea - the tracker is fine thanks :D


[14:56] <mterry> Saviq, I just now see your comment on greeter-apps.  It got pulled from the train?  pity.  There isn't a backported lightdm because we don't need it yet -- the instructions for testing greeter-apps aren't something we support yet (greeter on the phone)  -- I intend to backport lightdm to vivid when Robert finishes ironing out the in-session greeter support.
[14:56] <mterry> Saviq, I just now see your comment on greeter-apps.  It got pulled from the train?  pity.  There isn't a backported lightdm because we don't need it yet -- the instructions for testing greeter-apps aren't something we support yet (greeter on the phone)  -- I intend to backport lightdm to vivid when Robert finishes ironing out the in-session greeter support.
[14:57] <mterry> (You can test it on desktop though)
[14:57] <Saviq> mterry, yeah sorry, it didn't start the session following the notes in description (likely because of wrong silo number) so I didn't wanna risk it without your vote
[14:58] <mterry> Saviq, oh yeah I may have released the silo after approval of the branch
[14:58] <mterry> I don't have the silo now at least
[14:58] <Saviq> mterry, oh then not sure why, but it didn't start the session (I did add a comment on the MP what the error was I think?)
[14:59] <mterry> Saviq, yeah if you don't have backported lightdm and you tried to follow the instructions in the MP, it won't work for sure
[14:59] <mterry> Saviq, but following the instructions in the MP were just to verify that the code will work, once we get further along with lightdm.  The code isn't really active now on the phone, since we don't have split greeter yet
[15:00] <mterry> Saviq, but the branch works fine (within limits like active u8 session) on the desktop today
[15:00] <Saviq> mterry, sure, just didn't wanna land without clarifying with you :)
[15:00] <Saviq> so blame the bug that hit you on Monday :)
[15:01] <mterry> Ugh, I need to set up a bouncer
[15:01] <mterry> Saviq, yeah if you don't have backported lightdm and you tried to follow the instructions in the MP, it won't work for sure
[15:01] <mterry>  Saviq, but following the instructions in the MP were just to verify that the code will work, once we get further along with lightdm.  The code isn't really active now on the phone, since we don't have split greeter yet
[15:01] <mterry>  Saviq, but the branch works fine (within limits like active u8 session) on the desktop today
 mterry, sure, just didn't wanna land without clarifying with you :)
[15:02] <mterry> got it
[15:02] <mterry> Well, next silo  :(
 so blame the bug that hit you on Monday :)
[15:03] <mterry> Fair  :)  You did the right thing, I just don't like missing silo windows.  They come so few and far between  :)
[17:23] <mterry> Building u8 on yakkety today, I get: /home/mike/Work/code/unity8/trunk/tests/utils/modules/Unity/Test/testutil.cpp:28:52: fatal error: UbuntuGestures/private/touchregistry_p.h: No such file or directory
[17:24] <mterry> Might just be me, but am curious if anyone knows what's up with that
[17:26] <mterry> libubuntugestures5-private-dev doesn't have that file...
[17:42] <dandrader> mterry, need new uitk
[17:44] <mterry> dandrader, the one in proposed?
[17:46] <dandrader> mterry, version 1.3.2030
[17:46] <mterry> yup, in proposed.  OK, will try
[17:46] <mterry> dandrader, thanks
[17:48]  * mterry suspects enabling proposed will break his system