[01:07] <BUGabundo> nite
[02:28] <F3ar> Any major issues that I should be aware of right away?
[09:04] <elros> F3ar: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview
[09:05] <elros> you can expect a bumpy ride with alpha products
[09:39] <zniavre> http://i.imgur.com/iEsiv.png   still no icons on launcher that s a pity
[10:59] <jakobmuc> will the next ubuntu release build upon unity?
[11:35] <ior3k> jakobmuc: yes
[12:16] <Ian_Corne> empathyis annoying me to no end..
[12:16] <Ian_Corne> charlie-tca: err
[12:16] <Ian_Corne> linux 3.0 is default now
[12:16] <Ian_Corne> so you might wanna be careful for that :)
[12:35] <wzssyqa> Ian_Corne: is linux 3.0 work with nvidia-current now?
[12:36] <Ian_Corne> no
[12:36] <Ian_Corne> nto for me
[12:36] <Ian_Corne> but it would help me if you tested it too
[12:43]  * zniavre is waiting for new nvidia-173 now ...
[12:43] <zniavre> :o)
[12:45] <Ian_Corne> why such an old?
[12:49] <elros> nvidia and ati sometimes drop support for older chips, and I don't blame them
[12:50] <elros> I have radeon 9700 pro, released ~ oct 2002, support dropped in catalyst 9.4, but r300 driver still works
[12:57] <Ian_Corne> uhu
[12:59] <Ian_Corne> also, i used to see the experimental 3D support in the additional drivers
[12:59] <Ian_Corne> but that's gone now
[14:26] <zniavre> good afternoon
[14:27] <zniavre> i got an oneiric installation with gnome only (no unity no gnome-shell) the applications menu is empty there is a small support for gnome or not really
[14:27] <zniavre> ?
[14:31] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[15:00] <CardinalFang> Weird.  My locales seems to be screwed up in recent Oneric.
[15:02] <CardinalFang> open("/usr/share/locale-langpack/en/LC_IDENTIFICATION", O_RDONopen("open("/usr/share/locale-langpack/en/LC_IDENTIFICATION", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[15:03] <CardinalFang> open("/usr/share/locaopen("open("/usr/share/locale-langpack/en/LC_IDENTIFICATION", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[15:03] <CardinalFang> Dang, pasting broken too.  Sorry to mess.
[15:08] <CardinalFang> Will someone running current devel tip run "perl -e print\;" in a terminal, please? What happens?
[15:10] <CardinalFang> brb
[15:19] <CardinalFang> Oh, lightdm, you so crazy.
[15:20] <RubyG> Cardinal I had this same problem too with locales. I'm wondering if the problem is related to LightDM, cos I tried it on my Narwhal installation, then the locales got screwed up there too (tho it could just be coincidence!)
[15:20] <CardinalFang> It is, RubyG.  I'm filing a bug.
[15:20] <CardinalFang> RubyG, $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm # pick gdm for now
[15:21] <RubyG> I googled and got it fixed dpkg-reconfigure didn't do it for me
[15:22] <RubyG> I had to edit a file, tho I'd need to check which one. Have you been able to fix it yourself, or have you just gone back to gdm
[15:24] <CardinalFang> RubyG, I haven't fixed.  I switched to gdm to get work done, and planned on filing a bug, but I'm keenly interested in what file you edited.  Is it in your shell history, perhaps?
[15:26] <RubyG> Give me a sec ...
[15:27] <RubyG> OK, I found this page : http://blog.andrewbeacock.com/2007/01/how-to-change-your-default-locale-on.html
[15:27] <RubyG> I tried various things on the page which didn't work. I *think* the solution was in the comments ...
[15:28] <RubyG> typing: locale-gen en_GB
[15:28] <RubyG> then: update-locale LANG=en_GB.ISO-8859-1 (or UTF)
[15:29] <RubyG> but to be honest I tried so many things that I'm not 100% certain which worked, but I found that link very helpful, and something there did solve my problem
[15:29] <RubyG> I'd be curious to know if there is a straight up solution, so that I'll know for the future
[15:41] <Ian_Corne> zniavre: frash update or?
[15:44] <RubyG> I installed Narwhal then upgraded from there
[16:11] <CardinalFang> RubyG, https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/797249
[16:12] <CardinalFang> brb
[16:14] <zniavre> Ian_Corne,  not fresh it came from natty mini.iso upgraded just before alpha1
[16:15] <zniavre> it's minimal gnome-core installation
[16:17] <Ian_Corne> hmm
[16:17] <Ian_Corne> and now you don't have anything installed?
[16:17] <zniavre> juste gnome-desktop3
[16:17] <zniavre> just*
[16:17] <Ian_Corne> i'll go check if my gnome-classic menu is still populated
[16:17] <zniavre> but the menu application  is still empty
[16:19] <Ian_Corne> I still have stuff there
[16:19] <zniavre> thank you
[16:19] <Ian_Corne> but the panels didn't even start anymore  by itself
[16:19] <Ian_Corne> had to run gnome-panel --replace
[16:19] <Ian_Corne> so maybe you're just loading something different?
[16:19] <zniavre> it's gnomepanel too
[16:20] <RubyG> Thanks Cardinal, I've marked that bug as affecting me too.
[16:20] <zniavre> i ll try another user to see what happen maybe
[16:20] <Ian_Corne> k
[16:21] <zniavre> thank you answering
[16:21] <Ian_Corne> np
[16:21] <Ian_Corne> so, anyone had the balls yet updating to linux-3.0 with nvidia blob? :p
[16:21] <Ian_Corne> other then me :p
[16:21] <zniavre> i tried bbut im using 173.14.30 driver so it does not works anymore
[16:23] <Ian_Corne> how do I check which version of the driver I'm using?
[16:24] <Ian_Corne>  *** 270.41.06-0ubuntu1 0
[16:24] <Ian_Corne> ok :p
[16:24] <Ian_Corne> ah, ok so it doesn't choose the correct one for your system if you install current, you have to knwo to pick the old one
[16:24] <Ian_Corne> or is the current not displayed on old systems?
[16:25] <zniavre> i do not know i always install them manually without jockey
[16:26] <RubyG> Has anyone tried loading an .xmodmap file in Oneiric. I couldn't get mine to load on startup, though it loads fine if I launch it manually from the terminal.
[16:35] <CardinalFang> RubyG, I have nothing else for that bug.  Please add more if I'm missing something.
[16:37] <yofel> Ian_Corne: already rebooted with 3?
[16:38] <RubyG> CardinalFang Will do. I'll have a look tonight, as I'm not at my own PC right now
[16:51] <elros> are there many annoying bugs in oneiric at the moment?
[16:51] <charlie-tca1> of course
[16:51] <charlie-tca1> There are many that annoy me a great deal
[16:51] <elros> how annoying?
[16:51] <elros> ok
[16:52] <elros> sound, graphics, kernel, other?
[16:52] <IdleOne> yes,yes,yes,yes
[16:52] <elros> good
[16:52] <elros> thought it might be good to check before upgrade
[16:53] <charlie-tca1> um, it does have all those. It also seems to have bugs affecting all of them, at various degrees of annoying depending on hardware.
[16:54] <zniavre> Ian_Corne, with a new user the application menu still empty...
[16:54] <elros> because I went from oneiric back to natty about a week ago
[16:54] <charlie-tca1> elros: Like that one, that zniavre has today
[16:55] <elros> I'll stick with natty for a month, then ask again
[17:00] <zniavre> i got this one since alpha1
[17:07] <Ian_Corne> yofel: yes
[17:07] <Ian_Corne> and it doesn't work atm
[17:07] <yofel> :S
[17:07] <Ian_Corne> with nvidia blob
[17:07] <yofel> fails to build or..?
[17:07] <Ian_Corne> i didn't see the output :(
[17:08] <Ian_Corne> sec
[17:08] <yofel> what does dkms status say?
[17:08] <Ian_Corne> how do I check that?
[17:09] <yofel> nvm, just did the kernel upgrade here and it didn't build it
[17:09] <Ian_Corne> Ah ok :)
[17:10] <Ian_Corne> I'd still like to know the dkms status checking :p
[17:10] <yofel> yay
[17:10] <yofel> Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 3.0-0-generic (x86_64)
[17:10] <yofel> Consult the make.log in the build directory
[17:10] <yofel> /var/lib/dkms/nvidia-current/270.41.19/build/ for more information.
[17:11] <yofel> lol
[17:11] <yofel> *** Unable to determine the target kernel version. ***
[17:11] <dsathe> simlinks
[17:11] <Ian_Corne> same :p
[17:11] <dsathe> ol d issue
[17:11] <yofel> The next victim of linus's selfishness
[17:11] <Ian_Corne> # ls
[17:11] <Ian_Corne> 2.6.39-3-generic-pae  build  source
[17:11] <dsathe> how hav u installe dthe kernel ?
[17:11] <Ian_Corne> I just updated
[17:11] <yofel> dsathe: 3.0 is in the archive, and should be pulled by update now
[17:12] <dsathe> /etc/modules is broken simlinks if u deleted
[17:12] <dsathe> the src folder
[17:12] <yofel> dsathe: this is the package, if anyhting the packages are broken
[17:12] <Ian_Corne> It got pulled for me
[17:12] <dsathe> what u need to do is simply reinstall the headers pkg
[17:12] <yofel> I didn't compile anything myself
[17:12] <dsathe> itll make new simlinks
[17:12] <dsathe> O.o
[17:12] <dsathe> kk
[17:12] <dsathe> srry
[17:12] <yofel> linux-headers-3.0-0-generic:
[17:12] <yofel>   Installed: 3.0-0.1
[17:13] <dsathe> aaaah thts the issue
[17:13] <dsathe> :P
[17:13] <dsathe> neway use exactly the same version of headers else errors
[17:14] <yofel> that is the same kernel
[17:14] <dsathe> gave up on default ubuntu kernels  a while back
[17:14] <dsathe> see the postinstall script of nvid current
[17:14] <dsathe> :P
[17:15] <dsathe> see if its lookin in the right places
[17:15] <dsathe> oh btw
[17:15] <dsathe> have u installed headers generic
[17:15] <dsathe> ???
[17:15] <dsathe> 3 pkgs
[17:15] <yofel> I HAVE, believe, I know enough about the kernel for that
[17:15] <dsathe> headers image-generic and headers-generic
[17:15] <yofel> now I'm reading nvidia makefiles
[17:16] <dsathe> nvidia blob from nvid compiled with no issue on arch from aur on 3.0
[17:16] <Ian_Corne> it probably does something like linux-2.6.* to determin the latest version or so
[17:16] <dsathe> havnt tried 3.0 on ubuntu yet
[17:16] <yofel> dsathe: which nvidia version?
[17:16] <dsathe> 270.41.xx
[17:16] <yofel> I would guess we just need a newer driver
[17:16] <dsathe> one sec
[17:16] <dsathe> yep
[17:17] <dsathe> one cme out 2day
[17:17] <dsathe> 275
[17:17] <dsathe> try that
[17:17] <dsathe> :)
[17:17] <dsathe> 270.41.06
[17:17] <dsathe> nvidia-current
[17:17] <dsathe> in ubuntu
[17:17] <dsathe> arch lemme see
[17:18] <IdleOne> !info gnomebaker
[17:18] <dsathe> yep nvidia 275.09.04
[17:18] <dsathe> in aur
[17:18] <IdleOne> WHY!?
[17:18] <yofel> ah, I'm on 270.41.19
[17:18] <IdleOne> what happened to gnomebaker?
[17:19] <yofel> probably we'll need 275
[17:19] <dsathe> nvidia beta all in aur
[17:19] <dsathe> look at the pkgbuild
[17:19] <dsathe> might help
[17:19] <dsathe> ;)
[17:21] <dsathe> though i have never had nvidia fails on kernel numbers must be something else but then i have never seen a major number change :P
[17:22] <yofel> ah yeah, nvidias conftest.sh has checks for 2.4 and 2.6
[17:22] <yofel> well, me neither ^^
[17:23] <Ian_Corne> silly nvidia!
[17:23] <Ian_Corne> :D
[17:23] <Ian_Corne> or maybe the 275 does have the correct checks?
[17:23] <yofel> I would think so, I'll get the tar and see if I can just copy the newer check over
[17:24] <Ian_Corne> isn't there a ppa for the new blobs?
[17:25] <Ian_Corne> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/x-updates?field.series_filter=oneiric
[17:25] <Ian_Corne> ah not updated yet
[17:25] <Ian_Corne> it is a bit newer
[17:25] <Ian_Corne>   270.41.19-0ubuntu1~xup
[17:25] <dsathe> will build 3.0 on ubuntu n report back at night
[17:26] <dsathe> btw i am on natty
[17:26] <yofel> hm, no, 270 doesn't build against 3.0 :/
[17:27] <dsathe> apparently plenty of new fixes in 275 for gnome 3 and kde 4.6
[17:27] <dsathe> thanks for headsup yofel
[17:27] <yofel> also a nice error (though not the only one):
[17:27] <yofel> /var/lib/dkms/nvidia-current/270.41.19/build/nv-linux.h:38:4: error: #error This driver does not support development kernels!
[17:28] <Ian_Corne> ouch
[17:28] <dsathe> hahah
[17:35] <zniavre> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux-display-ia32-275.09.07-driver.html
[17:40] <yofel> I'm just trying to patch up a package for the newer one
[17:40]  * yofel needs to remember to ping Sarvatt later
[17:46] <zniavre> yofel is it easy to do it (for 173.14xx too) ?
[17:47] <yofel> no idea, need to figure out mine first, pretty complicated scripting in the package
[18:25] <yofel> yay, 275 works :)
[18:26] <yofel> http://yofel.dyndns.org/ext/nv/ has the debs I built
[18:27] <yofel> Ian_Corne: ^
[18:27] <IdleOne> you got nvidia working?
[18:27] <yofel> yep, 275 works with 3.0
[18:27] <IdleOne> wow
[18:28] <yofel> I had to junk the modaliases scripts from the package though, so the package is useless for jockey
[18:28] <yofel> I'll leave that to Sarvatt :P
[18:28] <Ampelbein> for the record, there is bug 795562 that tracks the nvidia issue (and has a workaround/patch)
[18:29] <yofel> too late :P
[18:29] <yofel> anyway, I learnt something about nvidia packaging
[18:30] <yofel> and 275.09.07 is final
[18:31] <IdleOne> yofel: so I just get nvidia-current and install?
[18:32] <IdleOne> anything else I need to do?
[18:32] <yofel> I just installed nvidia-current with dpkg -i, the postinst hook takes care of dkms
[18:32]  * IdleOne will test :)
[18:34] <IdleOne> hmm
[18:34] <IdleOne> nvidia-current-dev depends on nvidia-current (>= 275.09.07)
[18:34]  * IdleOne forgot to grab something
[18:35] <IdleOne> I think I grabbed the wrong one heh
[18:46] <Ian_Corne> thanks yofel
[18:46] <yofel> well, the package from edgers as it says on the bug probably works too
[18:47] <Ian_Corne> yofel: how come you don't have your own ppa? :)
[18:47] <yofel> I have a few, but that package is so hurrily hacked together that I don't want to upload it there
[18:47] <Ian_Corne> if I install that package, will it be updated to the official 275 when it gets in the repos?
[18:48] <Ian_Corne> or will it mess?
[18:48] <yofel> nah, I kept the official packaging with 275.09.07-0ubuntu1~yofel~oneiric
[18:48] <yofel> so should work fine (actually even lower than xup)
[18:48] <Ian_Corne> ok
[18:51] <Ian_Corne> lets see
[18:51] <Ian_Corne> has anyone else noticed that alt+tab comes up very slow with unity?
[18:51] <Ian_Corne> it really irritates me, and was like that in natty too
[18:52] <Ian_Corne> if you get the compiz ring switcher, it goes alot faster to come up
[18:53] <Ian_Corne> rebooting!
[19:01] <Ampelbein> oh, and regarding the nvidia issue: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/270.41.19-0ubuntu1 just landed in the archive so there is no need for manual intervention anymore.
[19:01] <Ian_Corne> no dice yofel
[19:02] <Ian_Corne> and i had nm troubles after the boot to 2.6.39
[19:02] <Ian_Corne> and after another reboot to 2.6.39 nm works again
[19:02] <Ian_Corne> brr
[19:02] <yofel> odd
[19:02] <Ian_Corne> i'm on -pae
[19:02] <Ian_Corne> if that changes anything
[19:02] <Ian_Corne> but i'm looking at the log
[19:03] <Ian_Corne> hmm weird
[19:04] <Ian_Corne> 12181 Jun 14 19:55:19 iantop kernel: [    8.331888] input: HDA NVidia HDMI/DP as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.1/sound/card1/input11
[19:04] <Ian_Corne> 12182 Jun 14 19:55:19 iantop kernel: [    8.332117] input: HDA NVidia HDMI/DP as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.1/sound/card1/input12
[19:04] <Ian_Corne> 12183 Jun 14 19:55:19 iantop kernel: [    8.332284] input: HDA NVidia HDMI/DP as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.1/sound/card1/input13
[19:04] <Ian_Corne> 12184 Jun 14 19:55:19 iantop kernel: [    8.332517] input: HDA NVidia HDMI/DP as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:01.0/0000:01:00.1/sound/card1/input14
[19:04] <Ian_Corne> is the only nvidia things I see
[19:06] <Ian_Corne> http://paste.ubuntu.com/626731/
[19:09] <Ian_Corne> so it seems just the same?
[19:10] <yofel> hm, no idea, I don't have a system to check the 32bit package on
[19:12] <Ian_Corne> is there an empathy chat channel for the devs?
[19:14] <Ian_Corne> or should I just report to launchpad all my gripes?
[19:14] <dsathe> goddamit the empathy updates $*( the GS integration
[19:14] <dsathe> n i hate unity :(
[19:14] <Ian_Corne> you haven't given it much chance?
[19:15] <Ian_Corne> don't see how you can hate unity
[19:15] <Ian_Corne> and like gnome shell
[19:32] <CardinalFang> Is there a way to disable the Alt-F2 "Open prompt for executable" keybinding?  I have that set to "Switch to Workspace 2", but Unity's fires anyway.
[19:33] <Ian_Corne> yes
[19:33] <Ian_Corne> ccsm
[19:38] <CardinalFang> Ian_Corne, I call myself looking there.
[19:39] <Ian_Corne> cssm -> Desktop -> Unity plugin
[19:40] <Ian_Corne> found it?
[20:33] <arif-ali> does anyone here know if the 3.0.0 kernel will be released for natty, as I know it is being done up fo rthe oneiric?
[20:37] <Ian_Corne> arif-ali: i've never seen a newer kernel be introduced after a release date
[20:37] <Ian_Corne> there's the kernel ppa i think which you can you use
[20:37] <Ian_Corne> but it's not recomended, like the nvidia blob won't work and stuff
[20:37] <arif-ali> ah, ok, I have been using the 3.3.0, until the rc3 came out
[20:37] <Ian_Corne> 3.3.0?
[20:38] <arif-ali> soz, typo, 3.0.0 rc3
[20:38] <Ian_Corne> ah
[20:38] <Ian_Corne> and it works for you?
[20:38] <Ian_Corne> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[20:38] <arif-ali> upto rc2, main reason, I needed it for the rtl8192se driver, which does not compile well with the default natty kernel
[20:39] <arif-ali> yeah, that is where I downloaded it from
[20:39] <arif-ali> I got a new laptop with a new crappy rtl 8192 wireless chipset, so been fighting to get a driver to work correctly
[20:40] <Ian_Corne> hehe
[20:40] <arif-ali> rc2 works, but rc3 doesn't I presume it needs some deps from Oneiric
[20:40] <Ian_Corne> I've got a new laptop with an 'unsuported' touchapd :(
[20:42] <arif-ali> right, I'll continue to compile the compat-wireless then with my current kernel then, thanks for your input
[20:44] <arif-ali> I remember fighting in Fedora to get things working with wireless with literally every release, this is the first time in 3 years, where I've had to try and get any of my HW working in ubuntu, ubuntu has been really solid
[20:46] <adys`> are there working nvidia drivers for the 3.0 kernel yet?
[20:47] <Ian_Corne> adys`: running 64 bit service?
[20:47] <Ian_Corne> err system
[20:48] <adys`> ya
[20:48] <Ian_Corne> 19:26:43 < yofel> http://yofel.dyndns.org/ext/nv/ has the debs I built
[20:48] <Ian_Corne> it works for him
[20:48] <adys`> thanks
[20:48] <Ian_Corne> np
[20:48] <Ian_Corne> be sure to report back if it doesn't work :)
[20:48] <Ian_Corne> it didn't for my 32 bit pae kernel
[20:48] <Ian_Corne> and I'm to busy to actually debug and stuff
[20:49] <yofel> well, there should be a fixed driver in the archive soon too, 270 though
[20:49] <yofel> was already uploaded actually
[20:49] <Ian_Corne> i'm fine with 270
[20:49] <Ian_Corne> :)
[20:51] <adys`> heres hoping the next nvidia release has 3.0 support
[20:55] <adys`> yofel, 275 worked, you rock
[20:56] <yofel> :)
[20:56] <Ian_Corne> :D
[20:56] <Ian_Corne> this makes me more curious why mine didn't work
[20:57] <Ian_Corne> where's buguando when you need him
[20:58] <Adys_> Ian_Corne, yofel make that a worked-ish, compositing isnt launching and all
[20:58] <Adys_> but i can run kdm for now which is good enough
[20:58] <yofel> no idea, KDE works fine for me
[20:59] <Adys_> might be my install
[20:59] <Adys_> im usually running off official drivers
[20:59] <yofel> you mean the .run? Did you remove the last with --uninstall?
[21:00] <Adys_> yeah but i didnt properly cleanup i think
[21:00] <Adys_> need to reinstall mesa
[21:00] <Adys_> no matter
[21:00] <yofel> not really, nvidia ships their own glx lib
[21:00] <yofel> check for an abi mismatch in xorg.log rather
[21:00] <Adys_> yes, which overrides mesa files
[21:00] <yofel> right, but the package makes sure the mesa ones are ignored
[21:01] <yofel> so shouldn't matter if they're broken
[21:01] <Adys_> dunno; from experience, when switching from .run to debs, you need to reinstall libgl-mesa* stuff
[21:01] <Adys_> that might have changed, its back from early natty alphas
[21:02] <yofel> for nouveau certainly, for nvidia it shouldn't matter, but good idea to do it anyway
[21:02] <bjsnider> the 275 blob has trouble identifying all possible matches for chips it might drive
[21:02] <bjsnider> so it's best to stick with the 270 at this point
[21:03] <Adys_> meh, im happy to be able to run kdm right now
[21:09] <yofel> ah, guess I'm lucky then
[21:13] <Ian_Corne> :)
[21:25] <TheBuntu> right now im useing kernel v3.0-rc3-oneiric from ..   http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/  .... on 11.04..... and it seems to be doing great.....   how well is oneric runing...
[21:26] <Ian_Corne> it's alpha-ish :)
[21:27] <Ian_Corne> More broken/missing then ever before for me
[21:27] <arif-ali> TheBuntu, did you upgrade the module-init-tools for that, i.e. updating to rc3?
[21:27] <arif-ali> from oneiric
[21:28] <TheBuntu> yes... the kertnel wouldent install with out it
[21:28] <arif-ali> yeah, was that the only dependancy that you needed to install, as I am running rc2 at the moment?
[21:28] <TheBuntu> yeah
[21:29] <arif-ali> cool, I will try my update again, thanks for that
[21:29] <TheBuntu> no prob
[21:30] <TheBuntu> Ian_Corne: so is it worse then 11.04 was at this point
[21:30] <Ian_Corne> eum, I thinks so
[21:30] <Ian_Corne> but i don't think i tried unity early enough
[21:30] <TheBuntu> i use kde
[21:30] <Ian_Corne> ah, i've never tested with kde
[21:31] <Ian_Corne> yofel does use KDE i think
[21:31] <genii-around> Yes, they do
[21:31] <arif-ali> a kde, I was just goin to say that I tried gnome3 from PPA on natty, and didn't lilke the look-and-feel
[21:32] <yofel> kubuntu still works reasonably fine since we don't have 4.7 yet, and probably won't have it soon
[21:32] <Ian_Corne> except NM problems, right?.
[21:32] <TheBuntu> gnome 3 useing youtube.... video playback is alot better...with its new hardware stuff
[21:33] <yofel> we have a new NM plasmoid snapshot now, works reasonably well if you just need a wireless connections
[21:33] <yofel> the settings behave a bit odd sometimes, and some freeze plasma
[21:33] <arif-ali> TheBuntru, ok, cool, anyway to move to classic mode in gnome 3 like moving from unity?
[21:35] <TheBuntu> i used kde 4.7 in arch and arch had problems with it.... used 4.7 in chakra witch is arch base... and it was perfect
[21:38] <TheBuntu> so whats the best way to do the upgrade.... konsole or the gui tool
[21:40] <yofel> do-release-upgrade and update-manager do the same thing, so it doesn't matter
[21:42] <TheBuntu> do-release-upgrade... the cli    update-manager do is the update gui
[21:43] <Ian_Corne> except yofel , that your X might crash or something while doing the upgrade
[21:43] <Ian_Corne> :)
[21:43] <yofel> really?
[21:43] <TheBuntu> so better to do it from cli
[21:44] <Ian_Corne> i've had it happen :p
[21:44] <yofel> ah, for ubuntu maybe with their login manager changes
[21:44] <yofel> kubuntu isn't close to lightdm than a theme mockup yet
[21:44] <yofel> *closer
[21:46] <TheBuntu> so what you mean by that
[21:48] <yofel> well, far away
[21:48] <TheBuntu> sudo do-release-upgrade.... Checking for a new ubuntu release   No new release found
[21:49] <yofel> you need to add -d
[21:49] <yofel> for devel release
[21:49] <TheBuntu> sudo do-release-upgrade-d
[21:49] <yofel> with a space, it's a flag
[21:50] <TheBuntu> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[21:50] <yofel> right
[21:50] <Ian_Corne> :D
[21:56] <TheBuntu> having var/apt/cach backed up on a spare partition makes it easyer for when something goes wrong with alpha... go back to stable realease and on apt-get dit-upgrade.... you dont have to download. everything.... just reinstalls the updates
[22:06] <BUGabundo> evening
[22:08] <BUGabundo> if im allowed a bitttttt of offtopic, let me ask you this, just for fun
[22:08] <BUGabundo> can you tell me how much storage you have at home / where you are?
[22:08] <maco> 3 closets
[22:09] <IdleOne> hahaha
[22:09] <Ian_Corne> hey BUGabundo
[22:09] <IdleOne> 990G with 400 or so used
[22:09] <BUGabundo> maco: :)
[22:10] <CarlFK> all my homes added or averaged?
[22:10] <Ian_Corne> 3.6TB
[22:10] <BUGabundo> try again in binary
[22:10] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo:
[22:10] <BUGabundo> CarlFK: total, please
[22:10] <maco> including backup drives?
[22:10] <IdleOne> hmm including backup drives I have around 2.5TB
[22:11] <CarlFK> does this count as part of home: 5.5T  4.5T  1.1T  81% /home/juser/rawvid
[22:11] <maco> 500, 250, 250, 120, 120, 16... umm...1.25TB ish, plus flash drives
[22:11] <Ian_Corne> CarlFK: i think he means at your house
[22:11] <CarlFK> Ian_Corne: oh, so including the drives that are sitting on a shelf ?
[22:12] <Ian_Corne> i dunno, ask BUGabundo :p
[22:12] <BUGabundo> CarlFK: I am
[22:12] <CarlFK> I think I could come up with 20T
[22:12] <BUGabundo> I'm even counting camara flash
[22:12] <BUGabundo> lol
[22:12] <BUGabundo> CarlFK: JIZZAS!!!
[22:13] <CarlFK> raw video = 13G / hour.  I get around.
[22:13] <BUGabundo> yeah
[22:13] <IdleOne> CarlFK: you realize you don't have to back up every single website you visit
[22:13] <BUGabundo> I have about 4T in front of me
[22:13] <Ian_Corne> hehe
[22:13] <BUGabundo> plus the new 8t
[22:13] <BUGabundo> plus all drives around and on other PCs
[22:14] <BUGabundo> plus flash drives , ssd, mmc, sd, µsd
[22:14] <BUGabundo> man, its going to take me a week lol
[22:14] <IdleOne> I should count my old computers I left in the US also in that case
[22:14] <yofel> hm, counting all PCs, ~6TB
[22:14] <yofel> 2 of that is backup though
[22:14] <BUGabundo> IdleOne: those aren't at home
[22:15] <CarlFK> home is where the heart is
[22:15] <IdleOne> they are in my old home
[22:15] <IdleOne> CarlFK: +1
[22:15] <BUGabundo> CarlFK: home is where ppl think about you
[22:15] <CarlFK> aww, that makes me warm and fuzzy
[22:15] <IdleOne> anyway, Voyager is on.
[22:15] <Ian_Corne> :)
[22:15] <Ian_Corne> I'm wathcing TNG
[22:15] <CarlFK> home is where you watch Voyager
[22:22] <zniavre> http://i.imgur.com/I46Vz.png check out this bug ! that is my first time like that
[22:23] <BUGabundo> ahahha
[22:23] <zniavre> :o)
[22:23] <CarlFK> zniavre: that's the Australian mode
[22:24] <zniavre> 11.10 + gnome3 + compiz + nouveau
[22:24] <RRRRube> LOL
[22:24] <zniavre> CarlFK,  +1
[22:24] <BUGabundo> CarlFK: ahaahaaha
[22:24] <BUGabundo> zniavre: wfm, sorry
[22:25] <zniavre> what is wfm please ?
[22:25] <maco> "works for me"
[22:25] <zniavre> ho
[22:25] <yofel> "creative"...
[22:27] <zniavre> i see on change mailing list the old 173.14.30 nvidia driver are updated to be installed with 3.0 kernel i hope it will solve this
[22:29] <Ian_Corne> lol what the hell :D
[22:30] <Ian_Corne> hwo does that even happen :D
[22:30] <zniavre> i do not know
[22:30] <Ian_Corne> that looks like something wow would have happen after an update
[22:31] <zniavre> i re-installed nvidia-173 maybe that s the cause , im using right now nouveau driver
[22:34] <zniavre> removing them solved the "thing"...  :o)
[22:35] <zniavre> i saw update-alternative stuff for open-gl im thinking it's the causes
[22:42] <BUGabundo> and how many of you EVER upgraded a firmware of a single disk?
[22:45] <zicada> hehe
[22:45] <yofel> I upgraded a DVD writer firmware once, but never a HDDs firmware (not counting SSDs)
[22:46] <zicada> hmm
[22:46] <BUGabundo> yofel: ohhh my precious 107D
[22:46] <BUGabundo> it took more FWs then burning DVDs lol
[22:47] <yofel> lol
[22:47] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo: I never have
[22:51] <BUGabundo> and I totally forgot to upgrade my SSD fw
[22:51] <BUGabundo> there have been 4 releases :(
[22:51] <BUGabundo> will dd the drive and upgrade it then restore
[22:57] <BUGabundo> $ sudo aptitude install smartmontools
[22:57] <BUGabundo> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[22:57] <BUGabundo>   bsd-mailx{a} postfix{a} smartmontools
[22:57] <BUGabundo> LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
[23:01] <Ian_Corne> weird dependencies
[23:01] <ikonia> BUGabundo: please stop it
[23:03] <BUGabundo> ikonia: ? it's a bad depency set
[23:04] <BUGabundo> if any one confirms it, ill file a bug
[23:04] <ikonia> BUGabundo: the LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL stuff
[23:04] <ikonia> BUGabundo: you've been here long enough to know that sort of stuff is not needed
[23:04] <BUGabundo> its damn funny set of depencies, don't you agree?
[23:04] <ikonia> BUGabundo: I'm not interested in if it's funny - please stop with the LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL stuff
[23:16] <zicada> ja og det var en kul exploit
[23:17] <BUGabundo> !german
[23:18] <Ian_Corne> I think that's swedisch
[23:18] <Ian_Corne> at least nto german :)
[23:33] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, i would guess that the mail system would be required to send email alerts to the system administrator
[23:33] <BUGabundo> I guess
[23:33] <BUGabundo> but still overload
[23:33] <bjsnider> it's more of an enterprise feature, where you have one admin looking after dozens or hundreds of systems
[23:34] <bjsnider> needless to say that's not an ubuntu situation
[23:34] <Ian_Corne> ubuntu server maybe?
[23:35] <bjsnider> ubuntu is primarily built as a desktop o/s, whereas fedora and suse are not
[23:35] <bjsnider> desktop users to not commonly read email alerts from their own systems
[23:36] <Ian_Corne> I agree, but there's still ubuntu server, which uses the same packages
[23:36] <Ian_Corne> no?
[23:37] <bjsnider> yes
[23:37] <bjsnider> but all this is inherited from debian
[23:39] <BUGabundo> so
[23:40] <BUGabundo> should we request that depency to cease?
[23:45] <ikonia> you can't do that as it would break the server setup from a useful stand point
[23:49] <BUGabundo> do we keep kernel traces?
[23:49] <BUGabundo> my system just locked when disconecting and unmounted usb hard drive
[23:49] <BUGabundo> never happened before
[23:49] <BUGabundo> could be a 3.0 bug
[23:52] <BUGabundo> gpartedbin: ../../libparted/arch/linux.c:2958: linux_disk_commit: Assertion `_have_blkpg ()' failed.
[23:53] <BUGabundo> oh well
[23:53] <BUGabundo> time to start crunshing bugs


[16:55] <hackedbellini> Hi all. I'm having some trouble doing a manual provisioning on a machine. I have a lxc environment and I can create machines fine. All of those machines are trusty. I need to create a xenial one and, because `juju add-machine --series=xenial` gave me a "no matching tools available", I tried to create one by hand and manually provision it with `juju
[16:55] <hackedbellini> add-machine ssh:user@ip`. That worked, but the state is "pending". When I check the log, it has a lot of "juju.state.api apiclient.go:250 error dialing "wss://localhost:17070/": websocket.Dial wss://localhost:17070/: dial tcp <IP_ADDRESS>:17070: connection refused"
[16:55] <hackedbellini> so, anyone knows how can I fix that error or even fix the "no matching tools available"?


[05:17] <siretart> mdeslaur: FYI: I've released libav 0.8.8 and libav 9.8 yesterday night
[05:24] <glitchd_> hello all
[07:09] <dholbach> good morning
[07:54] <mwhudson> turning a pile of .deb files into something i can point apt-get at means apt-ftparchive, right?
[07:56] <rbasak> mwhudson: right
[08:00] <dholbach> hey mvo, do you think you could take a look at lp:~evfool/update-manager/lp1079136?
[08:00] <dholbach> @pilot in
[08:08] <mwhudson> rbasak: i even made it work!
[08:08] <mwhudson> unfortunately the packages i built are for raring and i'm trying to install them on quantal...
[08:09] <rbasak> mwhudson: sbuild is your friend :)
[08:11] <dholbach> can somebody please reject https://code.launchpad.net/~malizor/ubuntu/saucy/ubuntu-wallpapers/fix-for-1177260/+merge/171911?
[08:12] <mvo> dholbach: sure!
[08:12] <dholbach> thanks mvo
[08:12] <dholbach> mvo, lp:~dylanmccall/update-manager/dialogs-refactor too please :)
[08:13] <seb128> dholbach, mvo: good morning my german friends, how are you?
[08:13] <dholbach> doing well - how about you?
[08:13] <seb128> I'm good thanks, summer finally arrived!
[08:13] <mvo> hey seb128! I'm good, how are you?
[08:13] <seb128> mvo, I'm good thanks ;-)
[08:13] <seb128> mvo, do you have months of holidays for summer break like student? ;-)
[08:15] <seb128> mvo, oh, the internet says it's not summer break in germany yet ... that just started in France
[08:16] <Laney> haha, for staff at universities that is when the real work happens
[08:17] <seb128> I see :p
[08:17] <seb128> dholbach, that gconf sync request is buggy, you can invalid it
[08:18] <dholbach> seb128, it could be changed to be a merge(?)
[08:18] <seb128> yes
[08:18] <dholbach> not sure if obounaim is up for that though
[08:18] <seb128> though I wouldn't trust somebody who overlooked most of the work to do this merge correctly...
[08:18] <seb128> I will review it if he does it
[08:18] <seb128> let's see ;-)
[08:19] <dholbach> done
[08:19] <mvo> seb128: yeah, no holidays for me :(
[08:19] <seb128> mvo, :-(
[08:32] <devinceble>  Does qtdeclarative5-hud1.0 library present on 13.04 or 13.10 only?
[09:19] <Noskcaj> what do i do for a needs packaging bug that already has a .deb file automatically made
[09:38] <smb> Are the problems with the time&date and privacy (at least) settings dialogues in S already known? Those seem to be unusable right now.
[09:38] <marga> ev, I'm having issues with whoopsie in precise, which is getting re-installed even though I had previously removed it, likely due to a new ubuntu-desktop release.  The issue is that both installing and removing the package crash my X session.  I've narrowed it down to the user adding/deleting, and I suspect this is due to the /var/crash handling.
[09:38] <marga> ev,  I checked the bugs, expecting this to be reported, but it's not, so I'm unsure if it's something specific to my setup, or so recent that nobody else has seen it/identified it yet.
[09:39] <marga> Just adding the user with the command line in the postinst script crashes my session...
[09:40] <ev> marga: that sounds like something is demonstrably broken in your setup. Calling adduser shouldn't bring down your X session.
[09:41] <ev> And if it does, the bug definitely isn't in whoopsie.
[09:41] <yofel> hi, is there someone that knows why gdk_x_error() is fatal?
[09:41] <yofel> Context: bug 1195007 is a nasty SRU regression in raring for KDE applications running under Unity/Gnome caused by the fix for bug 1180067
[09:41] <yofel> I'm kinda lost on what the proper way to resolve this would be.
[09:45] <marga> ev, you are right.  I just tried it and adding or removing any users kills my X.  So it's not whoopsie.  Sorry for the false ping.
[09:45] <ev> no worries
[10:14] <dholbach> @pilot out
[10:18]  * ogra_ hugs dholbach
[10:18]  * dholbach hugs ogra_ back :)
[10:20]  * smb is grumpy finding Saucy's workspace moving keybindings gone random this morning
[10:20] <cjwatson> yay, glatzor is some kind of superstar.  (example patch for packagekit click backend; will need work but it's a lot easier to iterate on a patch)
[10:22] <dholbach> that's awesome :)
[10:22] <cjwatson> and reminds me that I need to ask for a new mime type
[11:39] <mdeslaur> siretart: great, thanks!
[12:44] <hallyn_> SpamapS: could you please accept https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=qemu-kvm ?
[13:03] <xnox> cjwatson: apachelogger reports that SRU bug 1180067 has caused a regression in raring, see last comment on that bug report.
[13:12] <Riddell> !regression-alert
[13:12] <cjwatson> xnox: OK, not sure I can do a whole lot just at the moment, needs somebody who knows more about it to assess it
[13:12] <Riddell> mitya about?
[13:13] <Riddell> xnox: do you know when he's normally on?
[13:13] <ScottK> Riddell: he's on vacation this week, IIRC.
[13:13] <Riddell> ah
[13:18] <Riddell> I think I'll just upload it with the patch reverted and let mitya fix it when he's back
[13:18] <Riddell> fix isn't super important but regression is
[13:26] <xnox> Riddell: it might be a one-liner fix: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/attachments/20120618/582fd1dd/attachment-0001.obj
[13:26] <xnox> this should cause gtk/gdk to ignore all X errors.
[13:28] <xnox> Riddell: but then again, we need to fix it in saucy as well.
[13:30] <ScottK> xnox: I think the SRU regression is more important for the moment.
[13:42] <xnox> Riddell: apachelogger: ScottK: Looking at other uses of gtk_init in qt4, shows that Xerror handler is stored before calling gtk_init, and reset back after. Thus the patch to fix the regression is something like this:
[13:42] <xnox> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5855413/
[13:43] <xnox> not tested yet, building.
[13:45] <apachelogger> xnox: makes sense
[13:52] <Riddell> ScottK: I uploaded qt without the patch to revert bug 1180067 , you could let it through now if you have a moment and we could delete it if xnox gets his patch to work
[13:53] <seb128> Riddell, ScottK, xnox: if any of you feels like doing some qt sponsoring, Mirv was looking for someone to sponsor the saucy qtdeclarative waiting in the sponsoring queue
[13:54] <Riddell> seb128: ok can look
[13:54] <seb128> Riddell, thanks
[13:54] <xnox> Riddell: ScottK: i think raring-updates revert should be published, and my fix should be tested/bake in saucy and can go through as a normal SRU for raring.
[13:54] <ScottK> Sounds reasonable.
[13:55] <ScottK> I just accepted the revert.
[13:56] <xnox> I'm using bug #1195007 as the regression report of bug #1180067
[13:57] <ScottK> OK.
[13:59] <xnox> ev: bdmurray: did / would have errors noticed above regression ^ sru released on 1st of july of qt4-x11, causing rdepends to crash a lot.
[14:01] <bdmurray> xnox: I'll have a look
[15:04] <SpamapS> hallyn_: done
[15:06] <hallyn_> SpamapS: lol!  i had actually *just* decided to re-upload with another fix in it.  But cool, will wait for this one to clear - thanks!
[15:09] <SpamapS> hallyn_: You LOSE. You get NOTHING. GOOD DAY SIR.
[15:11] <hallyn_> SpamapS: ?
[15:11] <SpamapS> hallyn_: not a wonka fan eh?
[15:12] <hallyn_> sorry, haven't seen it.
[15:12] <hallyn_> might have to one of these days.
[15:25] <infinity> rbasak: Hrm.  Someone's going to want to backport this golang 1.1 to older releases, aren't they? :/
[15:26] <infinity> rbasak: Which means I either need to backport my dpkg patch, or make golang *also* add the arch tags.  Bother.
[15:30] <SpamapS> hallyn_: oops, I forgot to actually hit "accept" on qemu-kvm .. so it is just now going through ;)
[15:33] <plars> cjwatson: you mentioned to me a while back that you had a patch to apt to give better debugging of the "something wicked happened" errors, that hasn't made it into saucy yet?
[15:37] <cjwatson> plars: It's in Debian unstable, I think pending a merge
[15:38] <cjwatson> Don't know what mvo's plans are there
[15:42] <ricotz> infinity, hi :)
[15:42] <ricotz> infinity, it is worth you simply retry https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/llvm-toolchain-3.3/1:3.3-3 or would you expect it to fail again?
[15:43] <infinity> ricotz: It'll fail again.
[15:43] <Sarvatt> ^ builds fine on raring, gcc-4.8 fun?
[15:44] <ricotz> it builds on raring without gold though
[15:44] <infinity> So, stop using gold.  We don't use it for 3.2
[15:44] <Sarvatt> ah right, just noticed that
[15:45] <ricotz> infinity, debian introduced it for speed matters
[15:45] <infinity> ricotz: Sure, and we unintroduced it.  I just haven't gotten to 3.3 yet.
[15:46] <infinity> ricotz: Is there some urgency in making 3.3 happy?
[15:46] <ricotz> infinity, alright
[15:46] <ricotz> we want to use it in xedger's mesa
[15:46] <Sarvatt> just mesa git snapshots in a ppa but we can just shove an updated llvm-3.3 in that
[15:46] <infinity> Ugh.
[15:46] <infinity> Does mesa require 3.3? :/
[15:46] <Sarvatt> yep!
[15:47] <infinity> How lovely.
[15:47] <Sarvatt> hell, it'll probably require 3.4 by release in august and we'll have to disable features or add git crap to llvm again like what happened with 3.2..
[15:47] <ricotz> Sarvatt, llvm-3.4 is in saucy too ;)
[15:48] <infinity> Oh, hrm.  That PPC failure is curious, given that it worked on Debian.
[15:48] <infinity> Where did my atomics go in gcc-4.8 on PPC?
[15:48] <infinity> doko: ^
[15:48] <smartboyhw> When does patch pilots go on duty? (Just asking)
[15:48] <smartboyhw> s/does/do
[15:48] <infinity> smartboyhw: When they feel like it.
[15:49] <smartboyhw> infinity, :O
[15:49] <infinity> smartboyhw: We're scheduled by day, ish, but each pilot only puts in a 4h shift (again, ish), and not at a specific time.
[15:49] <doko> infinity, ?
[15:50] <infinity> doko: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/143949118/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-powerpc.llvm-toolchain-3.3_1%3A3.3-3_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[15:50] <infinity> doko: That doesn't happen in Debian.
[15:50] <infinity> doko: Did g++-4.8 do something vile to PPC atomics?
[15:52] <doko> not that I do know. the atomics lib shouldn't be needed on ppc
[15:55] <bdmurray> barry: did you see the regression autocomment in bug 1058884?  It seems unrelated to me.
[15:55] <barry> bdmurray: looking
[16:00] <barry> bdmurray: it could be related
[16:16] <ricotz> infinity, btw, llvm-3.3 is missing the symlinks added in llvm-toolchain-3.2 (1:3.2repack-7) too :\
[17:29] <xnox> infinity: building android with modern gcc & glibc results in: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5855986/
[17:32] <sarnold> xnox: in my x86_64-linux-gnu/sys/ucontext.h the REG_EBP is protected by #ifdef __USE_GNU
[17:36] <xnox> sarnold: yeah, defined, just before including ucontext.h.
[17:36] <sarnold> xnox: ah :/ good luck :)
[17:41] <xnox> sarnold: infinity: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5856022/
[17:41] <xnox> what's wrong? =)))
[19:43] <tvoss> slangasek, ping
[19:58] <mdz> cjwatson, kees, pitti, soren, stgraber: TB in 2 minutes?
[19:58] <cjwatson> yep
[19:58] <stgraber> yep
[19:58] <soren> mdz: Absolutely.
[19:58] <cjwatson> have small child in lap, will see what I can manage
[19:58] <cjwatson> but he seems to have just gone to sleep ...
[19:59] <mdz> looks like we'll manage a quorum
[20:00] <cjwatson> no sign of Rick to talk about the series alias thing though
[20:04] <xnox> sarnold: "Adding the #define before stdio.h does not help, as stdio.h includes features.h which undef __USE_GNU" stckoverflow win =) will apply the fix tomorrow, enough of this for today. So the answer is #include <stdio.h> \n #define __USE_GNU
[20:04] <cjwatson> huh?
[20:04] <cjwatson> no
[20:04] <cjwatson> #define _GNU_SOURCE
[20:05] <cjwatson> you're not meant to define __USE_GNU directly - define _GNU_SOURCE instead and you should be fine
[20:05] <cjwatson> and do so at the very top of the file, before any other preprocessor tokens
[20:05] <cjwatson> stackoverflow is wrong in this case :)
[20:05] <xnox> cjwatson: well that doesn't work.
[20:06] <cjwatson> I've used _GNU_SOURCE a lot, it certainly works in general.
[20:06] <xnox> never mind, it does with "-m32"
[20:06] <xnox> cjwatson: now I wonder, why android went for __USE_GNU instead of _GNU_SOURCE.
[20:11] <sarnold> xnox: oh! excellent :)
[20:12] <xnox> sarnold: but, moving the guards to the beginning of the file and #defining _GNU_SOURCE as per cjwatson works better.
[20:13] <xnox> Quote of the day: "Don't ever define __USE_GNU directly" From: Jakub Jelinek
[20:14] <sarnold> ooh
[20:14] <sarnold> that sounds like a good one to remember. :)
[20:14] <xnox> http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/fortran/2005-10/msg00365.html
[20:23] <manish> ev: ping. please check your mail
[20:26] <slangasek> tvoss: pong
[20:44] <slangasek> bdmurray: what's the best data source nowadays for information about whether users (as a whole) are using binary vs. free drivers?
[20:54] <bdmurray> slangasek: I'm not sure off the top of my head
[20:56] <slangasek> bdmurray: well, what are our options?  The information is in bug reports, right, but I guess that's heavy to query in aggregate... and there's also Ubuntu Friendly which would have something
[20:57] <olli> bdmurray, I assume (would have to do an install myself to verify) that we don't collect HW information during install?
[21:03] <bdmurray> olli: right we do not
[21:04] <olli> bdmurray, oki
[21:04] <olli> do you know whether we can create some insight when looking at the archive & mirrors? might be too cluttered as well I suppose
[21:05] <bdmurray> olli: what is the question you are trying to answer?
[21:05] <olli> bdmurray, :)
[21:05] <cjwatson> you could ask IS for relative stats of some selected package; I don't know how helpful they'll be since installed doesn't say much about whether it's in use
[21:06] <cjwatson> *packages
[21:06] <cjwatson> and indeed we often end up installing more hardware support than is used on a given machine
[21:07] <cjwatson> while it's a sort of odd application, this could be minable from errors.u.c, which would be easier to query in aggregate than bug reports
[21:07] <cjwatson> sounds like an interesting use case for ev's "let developers write hadoop jobs" thing
[21:08] <cjwatson> of course that's skewed, it only tells you what *broken machines* use
[21:08] <slangasek> in the case of the binary drivers, they definitely don't get installed unless selected for use
[21:08] <bdmurray> I'm not certain that errors has the right apport data for that either
[21:08] <cjwatson> right - but you can switch back to something else later and I don't think they get uninstalled
[21:08] <slangasek> they do
[21:08] <cjwatson> oh, all of them?  I thought that was just the gl driver
[21:09] <slangasek> well, we're only talking in the context of X drivers, sorry if that wasn't clear
[21:09] <cjwatson> but ok, if so then IS *might* be able to get something off mirrors
[21:09] <slangasek> X/gl/video
[21:10] <bdmurray> oh, I guess errors has NonfreeKernelModules which may help
[21:11]  * slangasek nods
[21:16] <olli> sorry, didn't see the last comment and http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/07/08/%23ubuntu-devel.txt isn't up to date
[21:17] <olli> major brownout here
[21:17] <slangasek> olli: 14:10 < bdmurray> oh, I guess errors has NonfreeKernelModules which may help
[21:18] <olli> ah
[21:18] <olli> cool
[21:18] <bdmurray> well, looking further something is awry
[21:18] <bdmurray> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/saucy/apport/saucy/view/head:/apport/report.py#L312
[21:18] <bdmurray> I don't see it in precise either...
[21:18] <slangasek> bdmurray: the conspicuous absence of the bit that sets the field?
[21:19] <bdmurray> slangasek: right
[21:19] <olli> :)
[21:19] <slangasek> I'm sure I've seen that recently in bug reports, though
[21:19] <slangasek> bdmurray: data/general-hooks/generic.py
[21:19] <slangasek> add_info() ?
[21:20] <bdmurray> ah, great
[21:26] <Selling_FDhypno_> superaffordable erotic hypnosis anyone? :)


[00:21] <cmaloney> Yes
[03:40] <greg-g> a surprise rick_h_! I was just mentioning your trailer trip here recently and missed you
[03:41] <greg-g> https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/california-governor-issues-statewide-order-to-stay-at-home-effective-thursday-evening.html
[03:41] <greg-g> all of CA is shelter in place as of tonight
[11:33] <rick_h_> greg-g:  ah howdy. Welcome to lock down city
[13:47] <cmaloney> CHC next week is online again: https://gettogether.community/events/4809/coffee-house-coders-regular-meeting/
[13:54] <rick_h_> cmaloney:  cool
[13:54] <cmaloney> Yep. Still going. :)
[17:40] <jrwren> man... i'm writing a tiny bit of python, and I've forgotten so much python and going from Go to python makes me feel that python is just a terrible langauge.
[17:41] <rick_h_> hah
[17:42] <mrgoodcat> try js
[17:44] <jrwren> ugh. no ty.
[17:46]  * cmaloney has a sad because Python is beautiful
[17:46] <jrwren> its probably less python and more the way this particular huge tree data structure is built in python that is my gripe.
[17:46] <cmaloney> but yeah, Python Unicode is really a mess
[17:47] <cmaloney> even with 3 it's still more than I care to think about stuff
[17:47] <jrwren> hasattr(python, "beautiful") returns false, bro.
[17:47] <cmaloney> try the same with go
[17:47] <cmaloney> pretty sure it'll do the same
[17:48] <jrwren> lol.
[17:48] <jrwren> nope, Go simply won't compile.
[17:49] <cmaloney> See? Failing silently is a good thing.
[17:50] <jrwren> hahahaha
[17:51] <jrwren> explains some silently failing apps that I know are python... like launchpad ;)
[17:53] <cmaloney> Yeah, I'll grant you that. Python is not great with bad data
[17:53] <cmaloney> like Launchpad. ;)
[17:53] <cmaloney> Too many times I've had something like this
[17:53] <cmaloney> if condition:
[17:54] <cmaloney> if condition is not None and condition:
[17:54] <cmaloney> if condition is not None and condition is True:
[17:56] <cmaloney> if condition is not none and isinstance(condition, (bool)):
[17:56] <cmaloney> etc.
[18:26] <mrgoodcat> in js you simply have if (typeof condition [18:26] <mrgoodcat> ~beautiful~
[18:29] <cmaloney> in JS you just give up all hope
[18:29] <cmaloney> and hide console.log
[18:39] <mrgoodcat> hide console.log?
[18:39] <mrgoodcat> behind a logging framework you mean?
[18:43] <cmaloney> just in general. No more warnings. ;)
[18:43]  * cmaloney is being facetious
[19:17] <jrwren> um... triple equals isn't type equality in js, so...
[19:17] <jrwren> or is it?
[19:17] <cmaloney> It's place-in-memory equality (is how I remember it)
[19:19] <cmaloney> which is technically incorrect, obviously
[19:19] <cmaloney> because I am full of incorrect information
[19:20] <cmaloney> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Equality_comparisons_and_sameness
[19:23] <Scary_Guy> I figure everything is online until further notice.
[19:24] <Scary_Guy> The 2600 group that meets in A2 is doing a telco bridge call-in the first Friday of the month<PHONE_NUMBER> (or call in whenever, maybe others will join, the bot mentions it in IRC when someone does)
[19:26] <Scary_Guy> I came up with an idea for a Mumble/IRC integration.  Pretty sure the IRC spec doesn't really allow for that, so the client would need to shadow servers/channels.
[19:27] <jrwren> if "x" in o and o["x"] == foo:  oh python.
[19:28] <cmaloney> jrwren: o.get('x') == foo
[19:28] <jrwren> nope.
[19:28] <jrwren> cmaloney: you wish, but python.
[19:28] <jrwren> i wish too... but python.
[19:28] <cmaloney> no, it works. :)
[19:28] <jrwren> nope.
[19:28] <cmaloney> it'll get X or none
[19:29] <jrwren> KeyError: 'x''
[19:30] <cmaloney> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GVXPhJ75g4/
[19:30] <cmaloney> It'll retrieve None if it doesn't exist
[19:30] <cmaloney> which may be a separate issue
[19:30] <jrwren> python2, ordereddict
[19:30] <jrwren> the fact that we are even arguing about it is proof that python isn't very good.
[19:31] <jrwren> I'm about to tell me team that I can't write python.
[19:31] <cmaloney> Well, a) Ordered Dict in Python 2 is no longer supported (Python2)
[19:33] <cmaloney> Also ordereddict should support the same .get syntax
[19:33] <jrwren> i assure you it doesn't.
[19:33] <cmaloney> though you might need to put .get('x', None)
[19:33] <jrwren> yes, that's probably what I want.
[19:33] <jrwren> still, that is garbage.
[19:33] <jrwren> python is terrible.
[19:33] <jrwren> can I use perl instead?
[19:34] <cmaloney> no, because it's not 2003
[19:34] <cmaloney> Also: what is Perl? :)
[19:35] <cmaloney> Is this ordered dict somehow part of a scraper?
[19:35] <jrwren> no.
[19:35] <jrwren> also, I read what you wrote wrong and you've been right all along.
[19:35] <cmaloney> <3
[19:35] <cmaloney> Python is great
[19:35] <jrwren> no, python is still terrible.
[19:35] <jrwren> i'll be glad to never use it again.
[19:35] <cmaloney> You're allowed to be wrong again
[19:35] <cmaloney> ;)
[19:36] <jrwren> because, how do you do get("",None) for a bool?
[19:36] <jrwren> is None true or false?
[19:36] <jrwren> its all so backwards.
[19:36] <jrwren> not to mention I just don't want to use it now.
[19:36] <jrwren> and what we want is everything.
[19:37] <cmaloney> You can use something other than None
[19:37] <cmaloney> like False
[19:37] <cmaloney> it just defalts to None because None is more correct than False or 0
[19:39] <jrwren> why can't I use Go? ;)
[19:41] <cmaloney> Because you're not an intern at Google? :)
[19:41] <cmaloney> You've got this
[19:41] <jrwren> nope.
[19:41] <cmaloney> Stop fighting it
[19:42] <cmaloney> just let the zen of Python wash over you
[19:42] <jrwren> can't do it.
[19:42] <cmaloney> ooommm
[19:42] <cmaloney> I said OOOM MOFO
[19:42] <jrwren> the zen of python is bullshit compared to the proverbs of go.
[19:42] <jrwren> I graduated python. I wrote plenty of it for years.
[19:42] <jrwren> I've moved beyond it.
[19:42] <cmaloney> You should do it in Rust
[19:42] <jrwren> so far beyond it that I can't even understand it.
[19:42] <rick_h_> jrwren:  has ascended his conciousness
[19:43] <jrwren> ugh rust... i'll keep my garbage collection TYVM
[19:45] <jrwren> i'm just salty cuz I already wrote this in Go, it works, but we haven't rewrote all of it in Go, so I ahve to write it in python too.
[19:45] <jrwren> and I've no idea how to do it.
[19:46] <rick_h_> just needs more metaclasses, and f-strings, and ...
[19:47] <jrwren> ugh.
[19:49] <mrgoodcat> i missed programming language talk :(
[19:51] <jrwren> really more jrwren being grumpy talk
[19:53] <cmaloney> Yes, more jrwren being wrong talk
[19:53] <cmaloney> (I do this from a place of love. :) )
[19:54] <rick_h_> hah
[19:56] <jrwren> python was great for its time.
[19:56] <jrwren> thankfully, its time is gone.
[19:57] <rick_h_> hah


[19:29] <LLKCKfan> Whenever some1 ims me it freezes up PalTalk text in the rooms and the room list. I can still hear if I have had sound on. Is there a way to fix this
[19:29] <LLKCKfan> I have an android tablet that I have put youtube app on I did NOT use Google Play. When I try to sign into youtubr it says an error occurred. Is there anything I can do to fix this? I did not get the app from Google Play as Google Play does not support my brand of tablet.
[19:34] <cjwatson> Sorry, none of those are questions about the Ubuntu installer - can't help you here
[19:35] <cjwatson> And certainly can't help with Android
[19:39]  * antarus chuckles


[00:29] <snap-l> Blazeix: http://decafbad.net/2012/06/06/i-love-my-phone-company-or-why-ting-com-is-awesome/
[00:37] <mathomastech1> jcastro: Hey, rick_h_ mentioned that you use simple mobile on the T-mobile network. Any opinions on it? I am planning on moving to T-mobile soon, currently on ATT with an unlocked N4
[01:20] <widox> Blazeix: http://blog.forecast.io/its-not-a-web-app-its-an-app-you-install-from-the-web/
[01:27] <Blazeix> mathomastech1: http://files.fuqua.io/upload/jump/a.html
[12:09] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:10] <rick_h_> morn
[12:10] <mathomastech> morning
[12:14] <brousch> You see that video of the Texas fertilizer plant?  They'll make a conspiracy about anything.
[13:47] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, I don't understand the Twitter Music thing at all
[14:30] <brousch> I normally wouldn't share this, but I had to for #7 for rick_h_ http://www.buzzfeed.com/jessicamisener/29-things-only-people-from-the-midwest-understand
[14:48] <rick_h_> brousch: yea!
[14:50] <rick_h_> #4, #5, #7, #8, #15, #20, #28 and definitely !#29 :(
[14:51] <brousch> It's actually a good list. More than half apply to me or my immediate family
[14:51] <rick_h_> yea
[14:52] <brousch> #1 my uncle claims to have invented cornhole, but someone stole his plans. #2 half of my family has worked at a Steak & Shake for the last decade
[14:53] <rick_h_> I was kind of cranky when I went to a steak and shake and didn't find steaks
[14:53] <rick_h_> I've been bitter ever since
[14:53] <brousch> steak burgers!
[14:54] <brousch> It's like they pre-chew the steak for you!
[14:59] <brousch> I'm actually not a big S&S fan
[15:31] <snap-l> Garrison Keilor is not God in the flesh
[15:31] <snap-l> Seriously, I don't understand this list.
[15:32] <brousch> I had no idea who was in that picture
[15:32] <brousch> And now, aside from having heard the name before, I still have no idea
[15:33] <snap-l> Prairie Home Companion on NPR
[15:33] <snap-l> Which is the moment when I realize my radio can switch stations in .2 seconds.
[15:34] <snap-l> I think this list is more geared to the west-side of the Midwest
[15:34] <snap-l> Frankly there aren't enough chains and manacles in the world to get my ass into a Steak and Shake
[15:37]  * jrwren starts a LAke Woebegon monolog
[15:37] <snap-l> Pepper it with Lutheran jokes, and you're halfway there.
[16:32] <jrwren> ok, this is cool:https://github.com/dsc/pyquery
[16:37] <rick_h_> jrwren: that's cool it'll do that from ET
[16:39] <rick_h_> this is cool http://www.nycresistor.com/2013/04/16/pebble-hackathon/
[16:50] <snap-l> This is not a library to produce or interact with JavaScript code. If that's what you need, check out
[16:50] <snap-l> ...
[16:56] <jrwren> wtforms looks cool
[18:16] <jrwren> omg.
[18:16] <jrwren> i just wrote this
[18:16] <jrwren> x = dict.get('x', True)
[18:16] <jrwren> dict.pop('x', True)
[18:16] <rick_h_> lol
[18:17] <rick_h_> "this damn well better be true...unless there's a value...but if not.."
  Hope you guys are all doing well
[18:23] <jrwren> somearg = kwargs.pop('may_not_be_there', True)
[18:23] <jrwren> rain?
[18:23] <jrwren> we just dumped on and very dark all of a sudden but just for a few minutes.
[18:23] <rick_h_> evidently it's now dark time and the rain is falling sideways straight into the house
[18:23] <jrwren> yup
[18:23] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, it's supposed to get nasty by my house too
[18:24] <rick_h_> so much for the whole idea of open windows with a nice breeze
[18:24] <greg-g> rain? what's that?
[18:24] <rick_h_> greg-g: it's how flowers grow :P
[18:25] <snap-l> rick_h_: Yeah, time to hunker down
[18:25] <greg-g> nuh uh, there's flowers here, but no rain
[18:25] <rick_h_> and the crud from the winter gets washed into the sewers
[18:25] <snap-l> rick_h_: You hope
[18:25] <greg-g> oh, your crud gets washed away? our's just pools around forever.
[18:25] <rick_h_> all that salt from the roads left in the corners now flushed
[18:26] <snap-l> jrwren: I thought you were using dict as a keyword
[18:26] <snap-l> not as a variable.
[18:26] <snap-l> and was having some parsing problems.
[18:29] <rick_h_> oh heh, now RSS shows "severe thunderstorm warning expires 2:30...filed 2:23pm
[18:33] <brousch> My city is in a state of emergency
[18:33] <brousch> The creek near my house is flooding everything
[18:33] <jjesse> i can imagine
[18:34] <jjesse> i've seen pictures
[18:34]  * rick_h_ double checks the sump pump
[18:34] <brousch> I'm high enough up that it doesn't affect me
[18:34] <jrwren> i'm glad i live on top of a hill
[18:34] <greg-g> did you see the stuff in Chicago? crazy
[18:34] <brousch> jrwren++
[18:34] <rick_h_> we've got a guy on the team in CO with 16" of snow the last two days
[18:34] <greg-g> niiiiice
[18:35] <rick_h_> so at least not there. A bit much for april
[18:35] <jrwren> yeah, my friend in denver was like TOO MUCH SNOW< WTF
[18:37] <greg-g> too much snow? never, go skiing
[18:37] <jrwren> skiing is a rich persons sport. I'm too poor for that.
[18:38] <jrwren> give me a basketball in a concrete jungle plz
[18:38] <greg-g> ok, cross country skiing? snow shoeing? make awesome homemade ice-cream with snow+milk+sugar? make a snow fort?
[18:38] <greg-g> anyways, snow == endless fun, imo ;)
[18:39] <rick_h_> I almost cleaned up the table ont he deck to work outside today so I'm putting snow behind me now
[18:39] <rick_h_> however, glad I didn't end up getting out there today
[19:40] <rick_h_> lol ah penguicon
[21:07] <greg-g> huh, found another musician that Tom Morello/The Night Watchman sounds exactly like: Dave Alvin, who's currently on Bootleg Liquor on SOMAFM
[21:12] <jrwren> we are building debs. I was considering using debconf. I have decided not to. Anyone have thoughts on this decision?
[21:38] <rick_h_> jrwren: debs of your .py?
[21:38] <rick_h_> jrwren: or just debs in general?
[21:39] <rick_h_> jrwren: either way I guess I don't know enough to say anyway. Toss it out to G+ or the like and I can RT and see if someone has opinions
[22:05] <jrwren> rick_h_: thanks, yes, I'll G+ it.
[22:43] <snap-l> https://plus.google.com/100139456300784928828/posts/BUjUvbtUVvP
[22:43] <snap-l> Apparently ratshack is on G+
[22:51] <brousch> I posted a video to Facebook and this is the actual text of the email I received when it was done processing: "You video is now ready to view on Facebook!"
[22:51] <brousch> That email must be sent out thousands of times a day
[22:52] <snap-l> They probably have an orbital satellite sending those emails.
[22:52] <greg-g> brousch: with the typo or without?
[23:25] <brousch> greg-g: With the typo
[23:26] <greg-g> brousch: hilarious
[23:26] <greg-g> (delayed)
[23:39] <rick_h_> doh, reformatted and forgot to set back up NAS rsync. 50GB more to go.


[00:59] <guest1_> I need some assitance accessing my server outside of my LAN
[00:59] <guest1_> I just installed the latest Ubuntu Server OS 16. I can SSH into it fine if Im on the network its running on, whats the best option for accessing out of network range?
[01:23] <tempspace> Hey all. I am migrating my infrastructure from Debian Wheezy to Xenial. In wheezy, if I run the command sudo -u user command, it would use the ssh key from that user's ssh dir. In Xenial, sudo doesn't do that any longer. Hints?
[01:33] <tempspace> nm, had to use -i now, combined with executing things through sh -c
[04:07] <krist64> hello
[04:07] <krist64> LAMP 16.04 it secure online?
[04:08] <patdk-lap> define secure?
[04:08] <patdk-lap> nothing will stop you from misconfiguring it and opening up any number of insecurities
[04:48] <sambagirl> can someone send me a link for configuring a domain with bind9 for a static server? thanks
[04:49] <sambagirl> a simple but effective procedure.
[04:56] <b4r> sambagirl: https://askubuntu.com/questions/330148/how-do-i-do-a-complete-bind9-dns-server-configuration-with-a-hostname?
[04:56] <sambagirl> ok thanks b4r
[04:58] <sambagirl> yuck b4r
[04:58] <b4r> sambagirl: not what you wanted?
[04:58] <sambagirl> one would think that you could just simply apply a few values and run a script and fix it like that.
[04:58] <sambagirl> ot
[04:59] <b4r> you could do fix it that simply if you had a script/program to do it for you ;)
[05:00] <sambagirl> it's way to technical and convoluted. i've looked at a bunch of different procedures but they are so different in ways that it doesn't make sense.  I was wondering if i can do it witbh webman or one of the other management systems. what you just pointed to me is surely the correct procedure but jeez oh man.
[05:01] <sambagirl> i can't find one b4r
[05:01] <sambagirl> and if i did i dont know if i would trust it
[05:02] <b4r> afaik there aren't any nice tools for this sort of thing
[05:02] <sambagirl> seems to me that during the lamp install or the server install there should be an option for domain and static ip installation.  maybe there was and  i didnt see it?
[05:03] <sambagirl> i dont think there is either
[05:03] <b4r> you mean like when you install postfix and mysql dialogue boxes?
[05:03] <sambagirl> well i was thinking around that time or when you do the initial server specific iso installation or if it is a netinstall
[05:04] <sambagirl> well here is a question. which dns servers do you have to use? the ones you create yourself? or the ones that the isp provides or google dns servers?
[05:05] <b4r> you mean for your own hosting?
[05:05] <sambagirl> yes
[05:05] <b4r> depends on the situation but I'm gonna go ahead and say to use your own
[05:06] <b4r> so you bought the domain, then point the domain to use your dns server
[05:06] <sambagirl> for example i have 5 static ips and i have 4 servers and i use one ip for a wireless router. so for a couple of the servers i wanted to use a domian name
[05:07] <sambagirl> so the dns server can be on the same server? i dont have to have a separate box for the dns server? i keep seeing about virtual servers for dns servers. that is what is throwing me.
[05:08] <sambagirl> and i see where that link you sent says dont use .com well why not?
[05:08] <b4r> I'm not gonna claim to know a bunch about all that but it's possible to use it all on the same server
[05:08] <b4r> it does?
[05:08] <sambagirl> that is what i think too
[05:08]  * b4r reads
[05:08] <sambagirl> yep look
[05:09] <sambagirl> it says use .net or hom
[05:09] <b4r> I'm gona say it's not an accepted answer to the post
[05:09] <b4r> but it has otherwise decent information
[05:09] <sambagirl> yes
[05:10] <b4r> oh but it is a community wiki so idk
[05:11] <sambagirl> i will see if i can first do this in a vm server so not to mess up that one server i have in mind to do this to
[05:11] <sambagirl> why are the always subdomains though?
[05:11] <sambagirl> i have no interest in doing a subdomain
[05:12] <b4r> maybe they wanted to be thorough and assumed the dns server would be used by inter- and intra-net users so the more specific names can be accessed
[05:13] <sambagirl> yeah i suppose so
[05:16] <sambagirl> but i still think that there should be a aspect of the server iso installation for configuring a domain name.
[05:16] <b4r> I don't see why that wouldn't be an unreasonable request
[05:17] <sambagirl> i suspect there is a reason why that isn't a part of the installation now.
[05:17] <b4r> probably no one's gotten to that list item yet ;)
[05:52] <sambagirl> hey thanks b4r for the ideas and support! chat later! peace!
[06:09] <theblindghoulie3> Having issues with my server
[06:20] <sambagirl> like what
[13:44] <tigefa> heelo all, ask: best irc log for ubuntu server 14.04 ?
[14:59] <b4r> anyone notice how `rm -rf *` deletes all files and ubuntu warnconfirms deletion of all files in the directory but leaves '.files' untouched and wont warnconfirm deletion `rm -rf.*`?
[16:31] <theblindghoulie3> I need some assistance configuring my server
[17:04] <ikonia> just ask then
[17:58] <ccha5> hello is there any altervative to reprepro ?
[17:59] <bekks> What is that?
[18:12] <theblindghoulie3> Server help!
[18:12] <theblindghoulie3> Cant access server outside of LAN
[18:12] <bekks> Why not?
[18:12] <theblindghoulie3> Have port foward to 80, 21, and 22. For SSH and FTP
[18:13] <bekks> Forget oprtforwardings, they arent necessary for accessing things outside your LAN.
[18:13] <theblindghoulie3> ok, whats the next issue to look at?
[18:13] <bekks> First you need to TELL us the actual issue.
[18:16] <theblindghoulie3> I have the latest Ubuntu Server OS installe on a Lenovo PC. I wanted to setup a server to store and transfer files. I installed and setup the router for FTP and SSH. However, I want to be able to access the server while at home or out and about. I cant do that because when I try to connect to the server outside the network it rejects the login
[18:16] <bekks> Can you name the version you are using pleasE?
[18:17] <theblindghoulie3> Ubuntu Server <IP_ADDRESS>
[18:18] <bekks> So you are trying to access, from within your network, the public IP of your router?
[18:19] <theblindghoulie3> Access the server from outside the network
[18:20] <bekks> So take a look at the logs of the service yuo are trying to access.
[18:36] <theblindghoulie3> Im thinking it has something to do with Apache
[18:37] <bekks> Why would apache has anything to do with ssh or ftp?
[18:37] <bekks> *have
[18:41] <theblindghoulie3> It doesnt I dont believe, this is my first attempt at setting up a server, so Im still learning.
[18:41] <theblindghoulie3> I'll keep researching.
[18:42] <bekks> Take a look at the logs.
[18:43] <theblindghoulie3> I went to the logs, but I dont see anything thats helping me figure out the right question to ask.
[18:44] <bekks> You experienced the problem that you are denied to log in. Search for traces of that issue, at the timestamps when that issue occured.
[18:59] <theblindghoulie3> the log file for FTP (vsftpd.log) shows the successful attempts but not the failed
[19:04] <theblindghoulie3> ok the auth.log file for SSH has a bit more to look through, would you like me to screenshot the log file?
[20:01] <_Crash_> I've just followed the Perfect Server tutorial for Ubuntu 16.04 and I've come across an issue where my mail seems to direct to my System User instead of the email Mailbox
[20:01] <_Crash_> So if I SSH in, It'll show me my email if I type "mail", but it shouldn't since it should direct to the dovecot mailbox?
[20:02] <_Crash_> I can view the mail when I SSH in, but if I check my mail on my phone, my mailbox is empty
[20:13] <_Crash_> any ideas?
[20:31] <ikonia> _Crash_: talk to the people who wrote the guide
[21:37] <k2gremlin> Hello all, I have a small problem on my Media server. I have a secondary drive mounted in /Storage that I use for media. In that folder, I have movies, tv show folders and such
[21:38] <k2gremlin> Now the problem I have is I cannot ls the /Storage folder.. but if I cd /Storage/movies and run ls it works
[21:39] <k2gremlin> if I ls /Storage it just freezes up. Only way I can recover is to close my ssh session and log back in. One way I have found to temporarily fix the problem is a quick reboot. However, it keeps coming back
[21:39] <k2gremlin> Anyone seen this before
[21:39] <bekks> Just show us the permissions of /Storage
[21:40] <k2gremlin> drwxrwxr-x
[21:41] <k2gremlin> bekks, It works fine for a few hours after a reboot. But randomly if I less a few hours later, it will just freeze the SSH session
[21:41] <bekks> Sounds like the drive disconnects then.
[21:41] <k2gremlin> But I can go to /Storage/movies
[21:42] <k2gremlin> and run ls there.. I can also play movies from it
[21:42] <k2gremlin> so really confused lol
[21:43] <k2gremlin> I am in the directory.. df . shows.. /dev/sdb       412718256 49517132 342213220  13% /Storage
[21:43] <k2gremlin> So it's still mounted.
[21:44] <bekks> Tak a lok at dmesg then.
[21:44] <bekks> *take
[21:47] <k2gremlin> bekks,  INFO: task ls:7946 blocked for more than 120 seconds. wtf?
[21:47] <bekks> k2gremlin: thats a random line from dmesg with no further context. what do you expect me to answer now?
[21:48] <k2gremlin> bekks, sorry, I am grabbing the whole thing for pastebin
[21:50] <k2gremlin> bekks, http://pastebin.com/jr2y5mkQ same message when I try to sftp http://pastebin.com/jr2y5mkQ
[21:50] <k2gremlin> sftp to that directory
[21:50] <k2gremlin> bekks, Well, weird.. it is working now without reboot.
[21:55] <bekks> k2gremlin: as can be seen, you have severe issues with that cifs stuff, and you should reboot+
[21:56] <k2gremlin> bekks, Yea I had this problem last night and rebooted it. Only been up 22 hours lol
[21:57] <k2gremlin> I have 2 folders INSIDE of /Storage that are mounted cifs to other systems
[21:57] <k2gremlin> but that shouldnt stop me from lsing /Storage?


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[00:00] <mwhudson> i guess it's trying to display the unmerged revisions
[00:00] <Rhamphoryncus> which might be all of them..
[00:01] <Rhamphoryncus> maybe I should have deleted instead ;)
[00:01] <thumper> OMG
[00:02] <mwhudson> eh, there doesn't seem to be any limit on how many revisions we display...
[00:02] <thumper> ah, no
[00:02] <thumper> I didn't think of that
[00:03] <thumper> oops
[00:03] <thumper> Rhamphoryncus: my fault, sorry
[00:04] <Rhamphoryncus> thumper: no worries.  I'm good at breaking things.
[00:04] <thumper> mwhudson: have you filed a bug yet?
[00:04] <mwhudson> thumper: no
[00:04] <thumper> mwhudson: ok, I'll do it
[00:04] <mwhudson> cool
[00:05] <thumper> Rhamphoryncus: bug 257770
[00:06] <Rhamphoryncus> thanks
[00:20] <Rhamphoryncus> fwiw, that bug only has a minor effect on me.  All my work will be done in a different branch
[02:14] <Leefmc> Question: I am having trouble pushing to launchpad, and its the same trouble i had before. I can't quite remember the solution last time, but it had something to do with telling BZR my launchpad account name.. any thoughts?
[02:15] <Leefmc> Using the command mentioned on the project page.
[02:15] <Leefmc> push lp:blah
[02:16] <mwhudson> Leefmc: bzr launchpad-login <you>
[02:16] <Leefmc> mwhudson: Thank you. They need to fix that error heh, it makes zero sense :/
[02:17] <Leefmc> "bzr: ERROR: Transport operation not possible: http does not support mkdir()" heh
[02:17] <Leefmc> well, sense in the terms of needing to give your login info
[02:17] <mwhudson> Leefmc: it's fixed in bzr 1.4 and newer
[02:18] <mwhudson> it's just a shame that 1.3 is in hardy :/
[02:18] <Leefmc> mwhudson: IIRC, many launchpad's have repos dont they? I can probably just add a bzr release repo
[02:18] <mwhudson> you certainly can
[02:19] <mwhudson> Leefmc: https://edge.launchpad.net/~bzr/+archive
[02:20] <Leefmc> mwhudson: Heh, yea, some bit of info on what these errors mean would be helpful. I got an error when adding my login name. Something about ssh keys permanently being redirected to my launchpad account +sshkeys
[02:20] <mwhudson> um
[02:20] <mwhudson> i forget what that one means
[02:20] <Leefmc> mwhudson: Or rather, not what they mean, but why they are happening. (Ie, doing one thing and getting a rather oddly worded error seeming semi-unrelated) heh
[02:21] <mwhudson> if you paste the message into google you'll probably find out
[02:21] <mwhudson> and yeah, these crappy errors are bugs
[02:21] <mwhudson> (some of them are fixed bugs too)
[02:21] <Leefmc> mwhudson: Only so much of it though, hopefully its enough, since my account name is scattered through
[02:22] <Leefmc> mwhudson: Found it.
[02:23] <Leefmc> mwhudson: My name was capitalized, when all launchpad accounts are lowercase right? I think in the end it means the account name was wrong.
[02:23] <Leefmc> mwhudson: Horrible error for that name hah.
[02:24] <mwhudson> Leefmc: oh right, that rings a bell
[02:24] <mwhudson> yes, it's a bug
[02:24] <Leefmc> Ah. think my ssh key on launchpad is from my laptop
[02:24] <Leefmc> oops
[02:24] <Leefmc> mwhudson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+bug/251008
[02:26]  * mwhudson does some stuff to the bug
[02:48] <Leefmc> mwhudson: When pushing to launchpad, from a working directory, does --use-existing-dir copy from my working dir? In other words, should i be uploading from the actual branch? Or is uploading from the working dir fine
[02:48] <Leefmc> mwhudson: Because i also need to supply a .bzr dir
[02:49] <Leefmc> And obviously, im not entirely sure what happens from the argument, but rather i was told to use it heh
[02:51] <Leefmc> I suppose i should be asking, what is the best practice? What _should_ i be doing? Because i could easily be doing it wrong, so forcing the dir may not be needed.
[03:32] <Hobbsee> will the wiki login stuff be fixed soon?
[03:32] <Hobbsee> or if not, is there a workaround?
[03:33] <Hobbsee> so that people can log in, adn do edits?
[03:33] <mwhudson> i don't think the problem is at the launchpad end, but i could be wrong
[03:34] <Hobbsee> where's the problem?
[03:34] <mwhudson> i don't know, i admit
[03:34] <Hobbsee> hm, seems the guy could log in, finally.
[03:34] <Hobbsee> would be nice to see it fixed, though.
[05:20] <barry> #python-dev
[05:22] <mwhudson> quick!  follow him!
[08:01] <doctormo> Rinchen: hello
[08:18] <BUGabundo_work> good morning
[08:19] <BUGabundo_work> I would like to call your attention to https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/42139
[09:11] <mvo> what do I have to do to request ownership of "https://edge.launchpad.net/python-apt" ? the description is hugly inaccurate, I would like to fix that [I'm upstream of pyhton-apt]?
[09:22] <BjornT_> mvo: best to ask a question at https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+addquestion
[09:23] <BjornT_> i don't think anyone with permission to change the owner is around at the moment
[09:23] <mvo> thanks BjornT_!
[10:33] <klette> gmb: Are the blueprints reset when the import takes place, or can we start using them at once?
[10:33] <gmb> klette: The import doesn't touch blueprints, so you can start using it straight away.
[10:34] <klette> good shit :-)
[11:12] <BUGabundo_work> ola trmanco
[11:13] <trmanco> ola
[11:49] <wgrant> al-maisan: Will Signed-By only be shown if it and Changed-By differ?
[11:52] <al-maisan> wgrant: the fields are compared to the maintainer on an individual basis and are included in the email if they differ from the maintainer
[11:52] <al-maisan> wgrant: so, the short answer is: no :)
[11:52] <wgrant> al-maisan: I think it would make sense to omit Signed-By only when it matched Changed-By, but I guess Matt's opinion matters more!
[11:53] <al-maisan> wgrant: hmm, I see.
[11:53] <wgrant> Signed-By and Changed-By will normally be the same.
[11:53] <wgrant> Changed-By and Maintainer not so often.
[11:53] <persia> al-maisan: Is it not only the exceptional case that the Maintainer matches the Signed-By?  Also, what about the Uploaders: field?
[11:54] <al-maisan> persia: I am not sure about the 'Uploaders:' field, need to look it up first
[11:55] <wgrant> Also, can you clarify who is named at the end of the changelog?
[11:55] <benje> hi how we cancel an attachement before save change to send only message ?
[11:55] <wgrant> Matt's says Maintainer, but it should be Changed-By.
[11:55] <wgrant> benje: /win 8
[11:55] <persia> al-maisan: In cases where a package is team-maintained, Maintainer: is typically a mailing list, and Uploaders: lists the set of email addresses on which a match to Changed-By will be considered a "Maintainer Upload" in Debian.  If Ubuntu has the concept of Maintainers (something I personally doubt), this behaviour ought be preserved.
[11:56] <wgrant> Gah.
[11:56] <al-maisan> re. the Maintainer matching the Signed-By: in my limited experience they would differ most of the time.
[11:56] <bigjools> wgrant: I was wondering about that
[11:56] <wgrant> benje: Clear the attachment box, perhaps.
[11:56] <benje> wgrant, not working
[11:56] <wgrant> benje: Ah, Firefox 3?
[11:56] <benje> select nothing not working too wgrant
[11:56] <al-maisan> persia: thanks for the elaboration, will check whether we support that mechanism.
[11:56] <benje> yes
[11:56] <wgrant> benje: You probably have no choice but to refresh the page, copying the comment.
[11:56] <benje> doesn't work it keep it
[11:56] <benje> :/
[11:57] <benje> unlog relog :/
[11:57] <wgrant> benje: Ctrl+Shift+R might clear the fields.
[11:57] <benje> yes thanks wgrant ;)
[11:57] <wgrant> benje: np
[11:58] <wgrant> Apart from showing Signed-By too often and giving Maintainer instead of Changed-By in the attribution line, it looks like a much more pleasant format.
[12:00] <persia> By the way, which bug number are we discussion?  I appear not to be subscribed.
[12:00] <wgrant> persia: Bug #250820
[12:00] <persia> wgrant: Thanks.
[12:01] <al-maisan> wgrant: point taken. Will have another chat with Matt.
[12:02] <al-maisan> wgrant: what do you mean by "showing Signed-By too often"?
[12:03] <wgrant> al-maisan: In most cases, Signed-By will differ from Maintainer but will match Changed-By.
[12:03] <wgrant> al-maisan: Your changes apparently show it whenever it doesn't match Maintainer.
[12:03] <al-maisan> wgrant: gotcha!
[12:03] <wgrant> (also, showing Signed-By on SPR pages would be nice)
[12:04] <al-maisan> interesting..
[12:07] <persia> wgrant: Are you commenting about Signed-By/Changed-By in the bug or in email?  (alternately, I'd be happy to do so)
[12:07] <wgrant> persia: I'm a tad busy right now - feel free to.
[12:08] <persia> wgrant: OK.  Just didn't want to post your comments for all to see without your acquiescence :)
[12:12] <mdz> wgrant: it's a bit tricky, I think
[12:12] <mdz> because in some cases, the person who made the changes is Maintainer (e.g. Debian sync) and in others it is Changed-By
[12:12] <mdz> given that we're using something close to the changelog format, I think that gets confusing
[12:13] <mdz> I think it should be "author of the changes"
[12:14] <mdz> and Changed-By should be "person who effected the changes in Ubuntu"
[12:34] <wgrant> mdz: How do we know who made the changes?
[12:34] <persia> mdz: Using "author of the changes" makes even more sense than any of the available fields.
[12:34] <wgrant> mdz: All we have is the changed-by.
[12:34] <persia> wgrant: parse the changelog directly.
[12:35] <wgrant> Maintainer is likely to be wrong more than Changed-By is.
[12:35] <wgrant> (but yes, "author of the changes" would make more sense still)
[12:36] <persia> Does Signed-By as received by Soyuz for syncs match Signed-By in Debian?
[12:37]  * persia would think not, as the .changes is being mangled
[12:37] <mdz> wgrant: we have the person who wrote the changelog entry, the person who uploaded the package to Ubuntu, and the person who sponsored it (if any)
[12:38] <mdz> the person who wrote the changelog entry is close enough to the author of the changes
[12:38] <mdz> persia: I'm not even sure the .changes is signed in  that case; if so, it's probably by an automatic key
[12:38] <mdz> since syncs don't go through the normal upload process
[12:38] <persia> mdz: I believe it to be an automatic key.
[12:39] <persia> The point being that it becomes exceedingly unlikely, even for syncs, that Signed-By: matches the maintainer (or even author of the changes)
[12:39] <mdz> I think the cases are "X uploaded their own changes to Ubuntu", "X uploaded Y's changes to Ubuntu", and "X synced in Y's changes from Debian"
[12:39] <mdz> al-maisan: does that make sense?
[12:40] <persia> Right, but only in rare cases do any of those have any relation to Maintainer:
[12:40] <persia> (well, in the third case, Y is likely to be the maintainer, but that's not the information we are extracting)
[12:44] <wgrant> mdz: Do we have the person who wrote the changelog entry? Where do we get that?
[12:46] <mdz> wgrant: from the changelog?
[12:47] <mdz> wgrant: that's copied into Maintainer: in .changes typically
[12:47] <mdz> unless it's overridden
[12:48] <mdz> er, Changed-By
[12:48] <wgrant> Changed-By, you mean?
[12:48] <wgrant> Right.
[12:48] <wgrant> So the first two people that you mentioned above are the same person.
[12:48] <mdz> persia: correct
[12:48] <mdz> wgrant: which two?
[12:48] <mdz> oh, changelog author and uploader? yes, for the upload case
[12:48] <wgrant> "we have the person who wrote the changelog entry, the person who uploaded the package to Ubuntu, and the person who sponsored it (if any)"
[12:48] <mdz> no, for the sync case
[12:48] <wgrant> Right.
[12:48] <wgrant> True.
[12:49] <wgrant> Forgot about that.
[12:49] <mdz> I think it's clearer to think of the three cases I outlined with X and Y
[12:49] <wgrant> It is.
[12:49] <wgrant> So in the third we have three distinct people.
[12:49] <wgrant> The other two just two.
[12:49] <persia> For the sync case, there's still typically only two people that interest us, although they are a different two people.
[12:49] <persia> wgrant: Do we really care which archive-admin sync'd the package?
[12:50] <wgrant> persia: No, but we care who requested it.
[12:50] <persia> (or whether the automated key did it for the less complex syncs)
[12:50] <wgrant> For a sync, we have the Maintainer and Changed-By from Debian, but the Changed-By is currently replaced by the sync requestor.
[12:50] <__pok> Hi all. I'm a first-time bzr user: how do I get the "lp" URL aliases in place?
[12:50] <persia> Changed-By is typically set to requestor.  Do we care who approved it?  I'm not sure how we can get that into Signed-By,
[12:50] <persia> Also the archive admins sometimes set Changed-By to the requestor, and sometimes to the approver.
[12:50] <wgrant> persia: Right. That would be nice.
[12:51] <persia> __pok: bzr launchpad-login
[12:51] <__pok> could it be that I'm using the wrong version of bzr?
[12:52] <LarstiQ> persia: well, lp:foo also works, but with http instead of ssh
[12:52] <LarstiQ> __pok: what version are you using?
[12:52] <__pok> ahaa, it was from Debian Etch (read: ages old)
[12:54] <mdz> wgrant: I'll summarize in the bug
[12:54] <wgrant> mdz: Thanks.
[12:56] <mdz> wgrant: who requested it ends up in Changed-By
[13:01] <wgrant> mdz: Hm? Isnt't that what I said?
[13:01] <wgrant> -t
[13:01]  * al-maisan just came back from lunch ..
[13:02] <al-maisan> I am reading the screen log..
[13:05] <al-maisan> mdz: I understand Soyuz does not actually have the uploader of a package..
[13:06] <al-maisan> all we have is the maintainer, the changed-by and (if the changes file was signed) the signer
[14:01] <persia> al-maisan: Uploader == Signed-By except in cases where someone hijacked someone else's signed changes file.
[14:01] <persia> (but as it's anonymous FTP, it's safe to make that assumption)
[14:06] <al-maisan> persia: thanks for the clarification.
[14:31] <delcides> hi. I'd like to help the Ubuntu translation. How do I go about it ?
[14:39] <Ursinha> oh
[14:40] <Ursinha> people give up fast :P
[14:40] <trmanco> lol
[14:40] <beuno> anything over a minute is too much!
[14:40] <trmanco> they sure do :P
[14:41] <trmanco> time is money :P
[14:42] <Ursinha> trmanco, :)
[14:47] <persia> On the other hand, there are surely more informative fora than this for that question.
[15:12] <mdz> al-maisan: changed-by is the person who uploaded it, so you do have that
[15:12] <mdz> al-maisan: sorry, the terminology is a bit confusing
[15:12] <al-maisan> mdz: true.
[15:13] <mdz> al-maisan: usually the "uploader" is the person who prepared the .changes file
[15:13] <mdz> al-maisan: it may be actually uploaded to launchpad by someone else (who signs it on their behalf)
[15:13] <al-maisan> Ah, I see.
[15:13] <mdz> the fact that our workflow is different from Debian's but we share terminology is confusing sometimes
[15:14] <mdz> al-maisan: the .changes is a manifest for an update to a package (an "upload").  it contains both information about the package itself and about the upload process
[15:15] <al-maisan> mdz: that's understood .. I have looked at a few changes files in order to get an idea of the data involved
[15:16] <mdz> al-maisan: is there anything else I can help to clarify?
[15:17] <al-maisan> mdz: let me digest the information that was provided so far. I may ask you a few questions later.
[15:17] <al-maisan> mdz: Thanks very much!
[16:21] <bdmurray> I still can't moderate messages to the ubuntu-bugcontrol list due to OOPses
[16:45] <BjornT_> barry: can you give bdmurray a status update of the fix for the moderation oops?
[16:45] <barry> bdmurray: branch was approved, waiting for the db approval
[16:46] <bdmurray> barry: okay, thanks for letting me know!
[16:46] <barry> bdmurray: i'll update the bug
[16:47] <bdmurray> barry: I never submitted a bug that I know of ;)  If there is one could you subscribe me?
[16:47] <barry> bdmurray: bug 257352 -- what's your lp nick?
[16:50] <bdmurray> barry: 'brian-murray'
[16:51] <barry> bdmurray: cool, i've subscribed you
[16:54] <hacim> how do I checkout some code from launchpad?
[16:55] <hacim> I dont see the bzr URI anywhere on this page: https://code.launchpad.net/~pkg-sphinx/pkg-sphinx/trunk
[16:55] <hacim> "bzr branch lp:pkg-sphinx" is not valid
[16:55] <beuno> hacim, that should be valid
[16:55] <beuno> what version of bzr are you using?
[16:56] <hacim> beuno: oh, ok, i figured it wasn't a valid URI so it wouldn't resolve, I didn't realize the 'lp' would be an alias to an actual resolvable host
[16:56] <beuno> hacim, ah, yes. There's a launchpad plugin included by default that does all the necessary magic
[16:57] <kiko> lp: magic
[16:57] <kiko> beuno, thanks for the UI email. now I need to think about that. damn.
[16:58] <beuno> kiko, always happy to try and change people's plans around  :)
[17:09] <hacim> i do not like magic :)
[17:09] <hacim> adios
[18:05] <seb_kuzminsky> launchpad is not mirroring my bzr branch: https://code.launchpad.net/~seb-highlab/emc/5i20-stepgen-fix
[18:05] <seb_kuzminsky> the "KeyboardInterrupt" message seems suspect to me...  any ideas what's up here?
[18:13] <kiko-fud> seb_kuzminsky, let me check
[18:14] <kiko-fud> seb_kuzminsky, that's weird. abentley, rockstar: can you help him?
[18:15] <abentley> seb_kuzminsky, kiko-fud: KeyboardInterrupt is raised when no progress has been shown for a long time.
[18:15] <seb_kuzminsky> hm...
[18:15] <seb_kuzminsky> my cable modem uplink is too slow?  it's about 45 KB/s
[18:16] <seb_kuzminsky> or something's stallign somewhere
[18:16] <kiko-fud> that's like 1000x faster than mine :-(
[18:16] <rockstar> I'm trying to pull the original branch, and it seems stuck.
[18:16] <kiko-fud> trying too
[18:17] <abentley> kiko-fud: (We kill with SIGINT, which Python always handles by raising KeyboardInterrupt)
[18:17] <kiko-fud> abentley, yeah, a bit misleading -- I wonder if we could massage that when displaying it to the end-user?
[18:18] <seb_kuzminsky> i see two hosts downloading and both seem to be running fine
[18:18] <rockstar> Yea, and the slow net would definitely cause a problem.
[18:19] <rockstar> seb_kuzminsky, do you have other mirrored branches from this site that are on Launchpad?
[18:19] <seb_kuzminsky> a couple
[18:22] <kiko-fud> seb_kuzminsky, it's slow, but progressing
[18:22] <seb_kuzminsky> who you calling slow?  ;-)
[18:23] <seb_kuzminsky> i did do one sort of bogus thing with this branch...  i accidentally tried to push it to itself (typing in the wrong window)
[18:24] <seb_kuzminsky> if y'all's branch of it doesnt work i'll try removing it on my external webserver and pushing clean copy from the other machine
[18:25] <kiko-fud> seb_kuzminsky, ziz inzernet zing
[18:25] <rockstar> seb_kuzminsky, it's going, but your uplink connection is not great.  That's probably what causes the problem.
[18:26] <seb_kuzminsky> the other lp-mirrored branches hosted on the machine had no problems (upstream, upstream-2.2, and hostmot2)
[18:27] <seb_kuzminsky> there have been some http reqests for files that apache can't find:
[18:28] <seb_kuzminsky> /home/seb/public_html/bzr/emc2/5i20-stepgen-fix/.bzr/smart
[18:28] <seb_kuzminsky> /home/seb/public_html/bzr/emc2/5i20-stepgen-fix/.bzr/repository/format
[18:28] <seb_kuzminsky> /home/seb/public_html/bzr/emc2/.bzr/smart
[18:28] <kiko-fud> I think that's normal
[18:28] <seb_kuzminsky> that's it so far
[18:28] <kiko-fud> seb_kuzminsky, but http:// isn't the best way to serve bzr branches..
[18:28] <seb_kuzminsky> you guys thought it was slow before with just the two of you downloading, vostok just started another attempt
[18:29] <seb_kuzminsky> kiko-fud: it is if your users don't use bzr ;-)
[18:29] <rockstar> seb_kuzminsky, also, when branching, I get Format <RepositoryFormatKnit1> for http://highlab.com/%7Eseb/bzr/emc2/.bzr/ is deprecated - please use 'bzr upgrade' to get better performance
[18:29] <kiko-fud> go vostok go :)
[18:29] <kiko-fud> seb_kuzminsky, ah, please do upgrade to packs, it will be much faster
[18:30] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, will do
[18:30] <seb_kuzminsky> is that safe to do while people are branching?
[18:32] <kiko-fud> seb_kuzminsky, it might cause the branch operations to fail, but aprt from that it is safe
[18:35] <seb_kuzminsky> kiko-fud: ok i'll wait a bit
[19:00] <Rinchen> >> Come join the Launchpad dev meeting on #launchpad-meeting.  Everyone is welcome. Starts, now!
[19:02] <seb_kuzminsky> lp failed to branch again
[19:03] <seb_kuzminsky> upgrading my repo format now
[19:13] <DnaX> hi
[19:14] <DnaX> how can I upload a tarball on lunchpad?
[19:16] <kiko> DnaX, create a release, and upload the tarball into it
[19:16] <DnaX> kiko: thanks
[19:17] <DnaX> ah
[19:18] <DnaX> about vcs import, I would import another person's branch because developmen is still
[19:18] <DnaX> now this vcs import is failed
[19:20] <DnaX> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/ircp-tray/0.7.2
[19:21] <DnaX> I use only snapshot, I wouldn't edit sources
[19:22] <mwhudson> we can't import from :ext: $CVSROOTs currently
[19:22] <mwhudson> though there is this patch...
[19:22] <thumper> DnaX: the comment on the branch says: The path to the pserver contains "developername" and seems to require ssh authentication
[19:23]  * thumper didn't notice the ext
[19:23] <DnaX> seems...
[19:27] <DnaX> bye
[19:28] <mwhudson> another satisfied customer!
[20:10] <seb_kuzminsky> kiko, rockstar: i upgraded my repo to packs and it worked, thanks!
[20:10] <rockstar> seb_kuzminsky, great!
[20:12] <kiko> seb_kuzminsky, tell you, packs are the future (lifeless wink)
[20:13] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks again, launchpad rocks my world
[20:13] <seb_kuzminsky> bye!
[20:13] <kiko> cheers
[20:17] <Ursinha> it's so cool when people enjoy something you believe in
[20:17] <Ursinha> :)
[20:22] <Rinchen> meeting date change
[20:50] <krow> Any LP folks around?
[20:52] <beuno> krow, sure, hi
[20:53] <krow> beuno: This link is going tits up: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~drizzle-developers/drizzle/development/revision/324
[20:53] <krow> beuno: Is something broken on reading revisions right now?
[20:53] <beuno> krow, not that we know of, but mysql branches tend to be large, and make the servers mad at them sometimes
[20:53] <beuno> mwhudson, ^
[20:54] <mwhudson> oh yay
[20:54]  * mwhudson bounces loggerhead
[20:54] <krow> beuno: That is drizzle though. I killed off all the mysql history in order to give us speedier branch times :)
[20:55] <mwhudson> krow: try now
[20:56] <mwhudson> krow: but be warned, your browser may not love you for it...
[20:57]  * mwhudson waits for ff to stop being grey
[20:58] <krow> mwhudson: And the magic 8 ball says....  loaded slowly, but did load.
[20:58] <mwhudson> it seems like it's a pretty big revision
[21:02] <krow> mwhudson: It worked though. Excellent.   We have a lot of refactoring to still do. I will be half tempted to start the tree all over again when we hit a point a bit further into the process.
[21:02] <krow> mwhudson: Thank you very much!
[21:02] <mwhudson> krow: hopefully stacked branches will result in less worries about history size
[21:02] <mwhudson> krow: np
[22:04] <Leftmost> So I'd like some opinions on the BSD licensing requirement for translations. I'm the upstream GNOME coordinator for my language and I'm unwilling to accept the licensing change. Does this mean that my upstream work is no longer usable in Ubuntu? It seems like that would be the case.
[22:28] <wgrant> bigjools: Did you mean to close #159304? It doesn't look rolled-out.
[22:30] <bigjools> wgrant: how can you tell?
[22:30] <wgrant> bigjools: I can still see signatures.
[22:30] <wgrant> (on old PPA uploads)
[23:28] <bdmurray> kiko-afk: are you really afk? ;)
[23:43] <tgm4883_laptop> looking for some team hierarchy guidence.  We have 2 teams (Mythbuntu and Mythbuntu-bugs) and were wondering whether the bug team should be in the Mythbuntu team, or if the Mythbuntu team should be a member of the bug team.  We don't want the bug team to have access to the ppa, code, etc.