[08:21] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[08:22] <superfly> morning oom Kilos
[08:22] <Kilos> i be nattyfied today
[08:22] <Kilos> classic
[08:23] <superfly> w00t!
[08:25] <Kilos> lol ty took long updating at 30m and hour
[08:25] <Kilos> but i got xubuntu and maverick also updated
[08:34] <Kilos> on 3 different harddrives
[08:35] <Kilos> the mtn uncapped one day data bundle for R50 is a good option for guys with a 3g mtn tower for the broadband connection
[08:36] <Kilos> for large downloads
[08:37] <Kilos> i managed 645m in 24 hours
[08:37] <Kilos> 3g is ten times faster
[08:47] <Kilos> xubuntu will take some getting used to but seems nice
[09:05] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[09:05]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[09:09] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[09:12] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[09:12] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[09:14] <Kilos> Wow wget is fast
[09:14] <Kilos> 2011-09-05 11:13:48 (14.5 MB/s)
[10:50] <nuvolari> o/ lo oom Kilos
[10:50] <Kilos> lo nuvolari gaan dit goed seun?
[12:13] <scar[w]> afternoon Kilos
[12:13] <Kilos> hiya scar[w]
[12:13] <scar[w]> I am a very big wget fan, have been using it for many years
[12:16] <Kilos> amazing how fast it is hey?
[12:17] <Kilos> i have never seen anything go over 350kB/s here till wget
[12:33] <Kilos> natty got some improvements but also some bugs
[12:33] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[12:33]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[12:35] <superfly> Kilos: do I upgrade to Oneiric Ocelot?
[12:35] <Kilos> where superfly
[12:36] <Kilos> you use kde anyway so wont have unity probs
[12:36] <Kilos> and fixing bugs is your speciality
[12:36] <Kilos> so go for it
[12:37] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[12:38] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[12:38] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[12:38] <superfly> hehe
[12:39] <Kilos> lol
[12:39] <Kilos> i got a yucky one. evolution sticks of both sides of screen by about an inch
[12:48] <nuvolari> Kilos: goed dankie en met oom?
[12:48]  * nuvolari is so bietjie stadig
[12:48] <Kilos> goed dankie nuvolari
[13:15] <scar[w]> superfly: how did the beta testing go?
[13:17] <superfly> scar[w]: well, I loaded it into VirtualBox, I tried to enable 3D effects, and now I can't log in!
[13:17]  * superfly pats himself on the back for being stubborn, obstinate, and downright stupid
[13:17] <superfly> I'll have to try to recover my installation :-)
[15:53] <Kilos> oh my superfly what happened
[15:54] <superfly> Kilos: nothing serious
[15:54] <Kilos> i was asleep and missed it
[15:54] <Kilos> lo JabberwockyA19
[15:55] <Kilos> superfly, how did you recover it
[15:56] <superfly> I haven't yet, but it's in a virtual machine
[15:56] <Kilos> whew, so where the stubborn and all that comes in?
[15:57] <Kilos> lol
[15:58] <scar[w]> yet again
[15:58] <Kilos> hehe
[15:59] <scar[w]> I tested the beta in vmware workstation yesterday night, it didn't take long for me to break it either
[15:59] <Kilos> oh my
[16:00] <superfly> Kilos: it was my own doing that I broke it, but I think tonight I'm going to upgrade my real box to the beta :-)
[16:01] <Kilos> lol
[16:01]  * Kilos does a jig. not just me that breaks things
[16:02] <scar[w]> I need to get myself a new hdd before I install orneiric
[16:02] <scar[w]> *oneiric
[16:02] <Kilos> scar[w],  you onna lappy
[16:02] <Kilos> ??
[16:02] <scar[w]> no, but I do have an IDE hdd
[16:03] <superfly> that's an oldish hard drive :-)
[16:03] <Kilos> you havent got a second one to plug in there
[16:03] <Kilos> or an external
[16:03] <Kilos> superfly, they work still
[16:04] <scar[w]> no my machine is loooowend
[16:04] <Kilos> how low scar[w]
[16:04] <superfly> Kilos: yep, I have a server that is a PII, you know, the old black box ones?
[16:04] <superfly> My dad always called them a toaster
[16:05] <Kilos> never see one superfly .
[16:06] <Kilos> P2
[16:06] <scar[w]> Kilos: actually it's not _that_ bad just very little space (80gb)
[16:06] <superfly> Kilos: I'll find you a (small) picture
[16:07] <Kilos> ok ty superfly .
[16:07] <Kilos> mine too 80g scar[w]  and with all the karmics and mavericks off i got 40g freespace
[16:07] <superfly> I just filled my 250G drive :-/
[16:07] <scar[w]> hehehe yeah I know the feeling
[16:08] <superfly> Too many virtual machines in my case though
[16:08] <Kilos> i put xubuntu onto a 6g as a second drive and found that even with winsucks on  the 80g works lekker
[16:09] <Kilos> better than installin alongside
[16:09] <superfly> Kilos: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Pentium_II.jpg/300px-Pentium_II.jpg
[16:09] <Kilos> ty superfly
[16:10] <superfly> My routing server... P2 350MHz, 128 *megs* of RAM, 6Gb /dev/hda, 20Gb /dev/hdb
[16:10] <Kilos> gee wiz thats one big heatsink
[16:12] <Kilos> what does it do. or what do you use it for
[16:16] <superfly> it powers my network
[16:16] <Kilos> i have never seen a black pc. looks kinda cool though
[16:16] <superfly> Kilos: that's just the processor
[16:16] <Kilos> is that large heat sink an add on
[16:17] <Kilos> oh
[16:17] <superfly> yep
[16:19] <scar[w]> I remember those slot processors
[16:20] <Kilos> i gotta go look at the ibm p2 i built up for swaar to play games on
[16:21] <Kilos> dont member what was inside anymore
[17:24] <tumbleweed> eep, ubuntu-za.org is *full* of commentspam
[17:37] <superfly> tumbleweed: meh.
[17:39]  * superfly cleans up some spam
[17:41] <tumbleweed> are we using mollom?
[17:41] <superfly> no
[17:41]  * tumbleweed finds it gets rid of most of my spam
[17:42] <tumbleweed> I must upgrade that server to squeeze. Frogfoot were going to have to move it to a different VM platform to do that, it might be quite disruptive...
[18:03] <superfly> weeee! upgrading to oneiric
[18:03] <Kilos> lol
[18:03] <Kilos> dont crash it again
[18:04] <tumbleweed> it's not too bad
[18:13] <superfly> Kilos: I don't intend to
[18:13] <Kilos> hehe
[18:22] <who_da_fly> well, that was easy
[18:22] <who_da_fly> just chose the "KDE (failsafe)" option
[18:22] <Kilos> lol yo who_da_fly
[18:27]  * who_da_fly switches to his newly installed Firefox
[18:28] <Kilos> hehe
[18:28] <Kilos> enjoy
[18:47] <inetpro> good evening
[18:47] <Kilos> lo the inetpro
[18:48] <Kilos> gaan dit goed daar
[18:48] <inetpro> Kilos: mag nie kla nie oom
[18:49] <inetpro> net so bietjie slymerigheid op die bors vir die laaste week of so maar andersins ok
[18:49] <Kilos> eish. jy mag man
[18:49] <Kilos> maar of enigiemand gaan luister is n ander saak
[18:49] <inetpro> Kilos: ja dis waar
[18:50] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[18:50]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[18:51] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[18:51] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[18:51] <superfly> hiya inetpro
[18:51] <inetpro> Kilos: ten minste luister Maaz nog vir ons
[18:51] <inetpro> heh superfly
[18:51] <Kilos> lol
[18:51] <Kilos> maar hy het vergeet waar pretoria is
[18:51] <superfly> the libreoffice-kde integration sucks
[18:51] <inetpro> Maaz: rusks please
[18:51] <Maaz> Sorry inetpro I only have Romany Creams today
[18:51] <Kilos> Maaz, weather in pretoria south africa
[18:51] <Maaz> Kilos: I'm not feeling too well
[18:52] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:52] <Kilos> Maaz, and rusks
[18:52] <Maaz> I hid them away Kilos Pm me and I'll tell you where they are
[18:53] <inetpro> superfly: are you better now at least?
[18:54] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[18:55] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[18:55] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[18:55] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie man
[18:55] <Maaz> Groot plesier my vriend
[18:59] <superfly> inetpro: no, but I'm not sick
[18:59] <Kilos> eish
[18:59] <Kilos> not sick but not well?
[19:00] <inetpro> superfly: I seem to remember that you were struggling
[19:01] <inetpro> but maybe it was just my imagination
[19:01] <Kilos> no he was sick for months
[19:03] <Kilos> bbl
[19:03] <superfly> inetpro: yeah, never fully got rid of my bronchitis
[19:04] <inetpro> ahh, I thought so
[19:05] <superfly> but it mostly disappeared for a few months now
[19:07] <inetpro> ok
[19:18] <superfly> Kilos: what should I review about Kubuntu 11.10?
[19:19] <Kilos> lol thats a weird question
[19:19] <Kilos> doesnt everything work
[19:19] <Kilos> oh 11.10
[19:20] <Kilos> make sure its got as much python as possible
[19:23] <superfly> well, I can try installing OpenLP
[19:31]  * superfly prods Symmetria
[19:35] <Kilos> wow, my evolution was off the edges of the screen. couldnt make it smaller
[19:36] <Kilos> changed graphics cards to an ati one and all lekker
[19:36] <Kilos> read me sick on bug reports and fixes that didnt work
[19:46] <Kilos> superfly, i installed virtualbox but cant find it
[19:46] <Kilos> is it like an application where you can install another OS
[19:47] <superfly> Kilos: yes, but you need lots of space
[19:47] <Kilos> i got 40g spare
[19:48] <Kilos> oh you dont install it on here but on a separate partition
[19:48] <Kilos> oh my
[19:48] <superfly> you need at least 8 gigs of space on your hard drive, and you need at least 1 gig of RAM to be able to run a VM, and at least 2 gigs to run it without killing your whole computer
[19:48] <superfly> Kilos: no, you install it in VirtualBox
[19:49] <Kilos> oh my goodness. wasted that 22m. ram 640m only
[19:49] <superfly> Kilos: ai oom, you should have asked first :-/
[19:50] <Kilos> skuus man. i dont like bugging you guys all the time
[19:56] <Kilos> lol
[20:00] <JabberwockyA19> hehehe
[20:01] <JabberwockyA19> testing oneiric again
[20:02] <Kilos> where do you use that nick JabberwockyA19
[20:03] <JabberwockyA19> so far only irc and desura
[20:03] <Kilos> lol
[20:05] <JabberwockyA19> I wonder if unigine sanctuary will run with stock mesa drivers
[20:05] <inetpro> tumbleweed: nice posting!
[20:05] <JabberwockyA19> only one way to find out, I just hope it woun
[20:06] <JabberwockyA19> woun't stuff up my live session
[20:07] <inetpro> Kilos: tyd om te gaan slaap oom
[20:07] <Kilos> lekker slaap inetpro
[20:07] <Kilos> jy moeg?
[20:07] <inetpro> yip
[20:08] <Kilos> rus lekker seun
[20:08] <inetpro> good night everyone
[20:09] <tumbleweed> inetpro: it's been a long time since I last blogged :/
[20:09] <JabberwockyA19> good night inetpro
[20:09] <Kilos> Maaz, tumbleweed .blog
[20:09] <Maaz> Kilos: Excuse me?
[20:10] <Kilos> Maaz, tumbleweed .blog
[20:10] <tumbleweed> Maaz: google tumbleweed blog
[20:10] <Maaz> Kilos: Huh?
[20:10] <Maaz> tumbleweed: "Blog - Tumbleweed Tiny House Company" http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/blog/ :: "Tumbleweed Tiny House Company" http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/ :: "kara-lines" http://tumbleweedboutique.typepad.com/ :: "TUMBLEWEED" http://tumbleweed-jimdee.blogspot.com/ :: "thetumbleweedphotographyblog.com - Journal" http://www.thetumbleweedblog.squarespace.com/ :: "Tumbleweed Rants | Stefano's World" http://tumbleweed.org.za/ :: "Tiny House Bl
[20:10] <Kilos> grrr
[20:10] <tumbleweed> last one
[20:10] <Kilos> ty tumbleweed
[20:11] <Kilos> http://www.thetumbleweedblog.squarespace.com/
[20:11] <Kilos> this one
[20:11] <tumbleweed> Kilos: tumbleweed.org.za
[20:11] <Kilos> ty
[20:14] <Kilos> fixed maaz so i can find it without googling next time if that ok
[20:14] <Kilos> Maaz, tumbleweed.blog
[20:14] <Maaz> http://www.thetumbleweedblog.squarespace.com/
[20:15] <tumbleweed> Maaz: no, tumbleweed.blog is http://tumbleweed.org.za/
[20:15] <Maaz> tumbleweed: I'll remember that
[20:15] <Kilos> eish i forgot to copy before pasting. sorry
[20:17] <Kilos> pretty blog that tumbleweed . you a busy fellow hey?
[20:18]  * tumbleweed thinks it's pretty ugly (stock drupal, with a logo). Must find some time to work on it...
[20:19] <Kilos> i mean nice and neat and easy to use
[20:19] <Kilos> and looks good as well;
[20:23] <Kilos> bed time for ballies. night all
[20:24] <Kilos> sleep tight
[20:36] <JabberwockyA19> night


[08:18] <seektherapy> hello
[08:27] <seektherapy> picturesque:
[08:27] <seektherapy> are you there
[08:28] <domas> yes
[08:28] <domas> :)
[08:28] <seektherapy> oh thank god
[08:28] <seektherapy> i need some help
[08:29] <seektherapy> I dont have sound on my Ubuntu 8.10 but i did before i upgraded... i see the icon on the top left but when i click it i get an error
[08:30] <seektherapy> No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found.
[08:31] <seektherapy> Now.. i did find this site
[08:31] <seektherapy> http://support.creative.com/downloads/?h=7   but i am so new i dont know how to configure it
[08:32] <domas> so, you already know more about sound drivers than I do! :)
[08:33] <seektherapy> only because i just saw that irc has a creative channel for ubuntu and i followed the link
[08:33] <seektherapy> I am fairly good at hunting down info..now following directions is the hard part
[08:35] <seektherapy> domas: can you please help me ...PLEASSSSSSSSSSSE
[08:36] <seektherapy> Quick install
[08:36] <seektherapy> [08:36] <seektherapy> In terminal,
[08:36] <seektherapy> 1) Goto source directory
[08:36] <seektherapy> 2) Execute make command as root
[08:36] <seektherapy>    make
[08:36] <seektherapy>    make install
[08:37] <seektherapy> dont know how to do that
[08:37] <pwnguin> (if it's not kernel related, you should probably take it to /msg)
[08:37] <domas> :-(
[08:37] <domas> btw, my deadlocks seem to have gone away after upgrading to <IP_ADDRESS>
[08:37] <domas> which is good thing.
[08:37] <pwnguin> nifty
[08:38] <seektherapy> well someone told me in the Ubuntu devel channel that it was a kernel problem
[08:38] <domas> having few hundred k of hardware in crashloops ain't fun
[08:38] <domas> seektherapy: how to make is a kernel problem? :(
[08:38] <pwnguin> sound is a many possible things problem
[08:39] <domas> kswapd deadlocks is kernel problem, usually
[08:39] <pwnguin> yes
[08:39] <domas> I was ready to blame some hardware issue
[08:40] <seektherapy> I'm getting the run around.. sad and i am a girl trying to really learn Ubuntu and thought i could just hop in here and people would be nice to me
[08:41] <seektherapy> Instead i feel like people are pushing me towards windows again
[08:41] <pwnguin> well, we try to organize the channels around subjects and the like.
[08:41] <domas> I use ubuntu just on servers, not much of sound experience ;-)
[08:41] <domas> except how to make FANS LOUDER
[08:42] <pwnguin> teaching end users is just one part of what goes on in IRC
[08:42] <domas> btw, my colleagues told that someone in #ubuntu-kernel told them kswapd activates only when system is out of memory
[08:43] <domas> so, I was looking guilty for allocating 31GB to mysqld on 32GB box
[08:44] <domas> but apparently any vfs pressure was causing those problems
[08:44] <pwnguin> kswapd should run whenever
[08:44] <domas> indeed
[08:44] <domas> any vfs pressure should keep it working
[08:44] <domas> any direction
[08:45] <pwnguin> if you've got unused stuff, it'll kick it out for more cache
[08:45] <domas> we usually set swappiness to 5 or so
[08:47] <domas> so that rarely happens
[08:48] <domas> anyway, I got those 'soft lockups' against pretty much everything
[08:48] <domas> nc, tar, mysql, jfs/xfs, lvm, .
[08:48] <domas> with standard hardy kernels
[08:50] <pwnguin> a friend was saying he had terrible problems with 8.04 performance. was furious at ubuntu kernel team for patching or something, till he went back to debian and had the same problem
[08:50] <domas> hehe
[08:50] <domas> I'm quite happy about 8.04 performance
[08:51] <domas> if not for crashes on 8-core boxes
[08:51] <domas> I think some new nvidia northbridge chipset is causing troubles
[08:53] <domas> uh uh, <IP_ADDRESS> isn't happy either: http://p.defau.lt/?Sz4O_rQGfmNopsaVYmbAKw
[08:57] <seektherapy> YOU MEN NEED TO READ THIS SERIOUSLY AND PULL YOUR HEADS OUT OF THE CLOUDS !
[08:57] <seektherapy> http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/t/10854.aspx
[08:58] <seektherapy> instead y'all keep pretending everything is A OK
[08:59] <seektherapy> this should really concern y'all
[08:59] <domas> seektherapy: *shrug*, I have got 20 new servers that cost >10k$ each, which are not working as they should be, kernel problem
[08:59] <seektherapy> not the point
[08:59] <domas> I also have my own reasons to be frustrated
[08:59] <seektherapy> the point is the adverage comsumer
[09:00] <domas> average consumer should never care about drivers
[09:00] <domas> or kernels
[09:00] <seektherapy> According to WKOW TV, Abbie Schubert recently ordered a Dell laptop, expecting "your classic bread-and-butter computer." But when she unboxed the $1,100 machine that arrived, she didn't find bread and butter. She found Ubuntu.
[09:01] <seektherapy> So she kept Ubuntu, giving up her chance for bread and the butter. Then she decided that Ubuntu doesn't always work like Windows. Her Verizon internet wouldn't load. She couldn't install Microsoft Word. And she said without Word and the internet, she couldn't take online classes at Milwaukee Area Technical College.
[09:01] <domas> *shrug*, I'm mac desktop user :)
[09:01] <seektherapy> then why are you here
[09:02] <domas> because I run few hundred ubuntu servers? :)
[09:02] <seektherapy> keep shrugging as dell boots you out
[09:02] <domas> powering some of bigger web shops
[09:02] <domas> oh, and we have dell servers, poweredges are just fine!
[09:02] <seektherapy> not personal computers
[09:02] <seektherapy> stop it
[09:02] <seektherapy> its not about arguing its about the facts
[09:03] <domas> and "not being able to install Microsoft Word" is probably the best anti-ubuntu argument
[09:03] <domas> so go, stick to it
[09:04] <seektherapy> domas: you seem old enough to know... not many women use linux because they dont know it
[09:04] <seektherapy> not much user support
[09:05] <seektherapy> when a person goes into a channel they are brushed off
[09:05] <domas> there's very much same user support as you'd get from other OS vendors
[09:05] <seektherapy> its like you wont it to fail
[09:05] <seektherapy> oh.. no
[09:05] <seektherapy> not true
[09:06] <seektherapy> I am asking how to run a simple command and no one will help me with that.. most women dont have a clue about commands
[09:08] <domas> exactly, you're asking in venue where people don't know how to explain simple commands
[09:08] <seektherapy> so you dont know how to create a command
[09:09] <seektherapy> i bet if my friend is online.. he would know right off
[09:10] <pwnguin> domas: more like want to
[09:10] <pwnguin> running make is easy
[09:11] <domas> indeed :)
[09:11] <pwnguin> getting someone who doesn't know make up to speed on all the other deficiencies, that's not fun
[09:12] <domas> btw, which is the best channel for generic linux kernel questions? I have quite a few problems with <IP_ADDRESS> too, not just ubuntu kernels :(
[09:12] <pwnguin> ive no idea
[09:12] <pwnguin> i hear theres a secret irc channel
[09:13] <domas> ages ago there was #kernel
[09:13] <pwnguin> but i havent the need
[09:13] <domas> actually, it is still there
[09:16] <seektherapy> oh god..y'all are so gay
[09:16] <seektherapy> wasting my time here
[09:16] <seektherapy> bye
[09:17] <Kano> hi, did everybody notice <IP_ADDRESS>?
[09:21] <tjaalton> I noticed it's Sunday ;)
[21:02] <sdf> Hello
[21:04] <sdf> How i can enable my second Xeon 550 Processor in 6.06 ?, I think i need a SMP kernel ? kindly Help me
[21:08] <CarlFK> sdf: at some point the default kernel was smp
[21:09] <CarlFK> not sure about 6.06. see if there is a somekernel-smp  package
[21:10] <sdf> CalFk : there is SMP kernel available for 686 , But my system is Xeon 550 dual
[21:12] <sdf> Is there any SMP kernel patch for 6.06 on i386 ?
[21:17] <andersk> No need for patches.  The default (-686) kernel already supports SMP and should have no trouble running on your hardware.  Are you sure your second CPU isn’t enabled already?
[21:18] <andersk> To check, you could run grep ^processor /proc/cpuinfo
[21:20] <sdf> andersk : I am sure it is disabled, cause it is shown but disables in command: lshw, i installed the 686 but it shows blank screen at startup , so i have switched back to 386 kernel, it is running just slow
[21:20] <sdf> shani@CISCOWALL:~$ grep ^processor /proc/cpuinfo
[21:20] <sdf> processor       : 0
[21:21] <andersk> The 386 kernel does not support SMP, but all the other ones do.
[21:22] <sdf> well dont know why my system donot supports 686 :/ , i thought there should be a SMP patch for 386 kernel
[21:22] <CarlFK> andersk: "686 but it shows blank screen" <- fix that :)
[21:23] <sdf> yeah
[21:23] <sdf> If you are a developer, then i can help you with more information
[21:24] <sdf> My system is Dell Xeon 550 dual with 1.5 GB RAM , and 20 GB hardisk , every thing is running as 386 kernel , but my second processor is disables so system is a bit slow
[21:24] <CarlFK> sdf: pretty sure that kernel is not being worked on any more
[21:25] <sdf> aah
[21:25] <sdf> What about 8.10 installer, It is also get hanged before reaching the live CD's Desktop ? it is also not supporting my system, whats wrong ?
[21:27] <sdf> i have changed many CD;s, removed all RAM, tried to run with 512 MB and 1.5GB of RAM, but it just show me a 8.10 logo with moving bar ?
[21:27] <CarlFK> ask in #ubutnu - there's a bunch of things you can do.  try the Alt cd would be my idea.
[21:28] <sdf> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-August/019983.html
[21:28] <sdf> i got this answer from #ubuntu
[21:30] <CarlFK> ask about: What about 8.10 installer, It is also get hanged...
[21:30] <sdf> k