[20:30] <Noodle> zoktar: If I go to "System Settings > Wi-Fi" all I see is a white screen. I feel like I have the wrong ROM or something...
[20:30] <mfisch> awe_: tony, sforshee mentioned some emergency call work. What special stuff does powerd need to do when someone dials 911?
[20:31] <Noodle> My "Last Updated" also says 2013-04-09 That can't be right.
[20:32] <zoktar> Noodle, dont do it from system settings, do it from the topside icon thingy
[20:34] <awe_> mfisch, prevent the call from being cutoff
[20:34] <mhall119> Noodle: in the System Settings app?
[20:34] <mhall119> Noodle: the system settings is in the early stages of development, a lot of things in there aren't implemented yet or are using hard-coded placeholder data
[20:35] <mfisch> awe_: sounds like what we do for a regular call
[20:35] <Noodle> Yea. I think I found my error though. Following the guide on Ubuntu wiki site lead me to install "saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf" rather than the one meant specifically for Grouper
[20:35] <awe_> mfisch, I haven't spent much time on emergency calls yet, was just giving sforshee a heads-up
[20:35] <awe_> mfisch, this might even trump low-battery shutdown
[20:35] <mfisch> awe_: ah, so there's a special case then
[20:35] <mfisch> once we enable low battery shutdown ;)
[20:35] <awe_> mfisch, and there are other instances where the flag might be raised due to a network initiated request
[20:36] <awe_> so in general, it's something power should  monitor
[20:36] <awe_> mfisch, that said, I'm pretty sure there's more work to do on my end... so still to come
[20:36] <mfisch> ok
[20:39] <rsalveti> sergiusens: https://code.launchpad.net/~rsalveti/phablet-tools/remove_hybris_checkout/+merge/174052
[20:52] <esigolo_> ow lord !
[20:53] <esigolo_> nickserv not working and i'm not able to ghost my nick
[20:56] <esigolo> -.-
[20:56] <esigolo> ahuauhha
[21:02] <esigolo> rsalveti: Do you know when we will have a ubuntu hour São Paulo?
[21:09] <rsalveti> aloisiojr: alright, pushed
[21:09] <aloisiojr> rsalveti: tks :)
[21:13] <mhall119> bzoltan: http://askubuntu.com/questions/318666/qt-creator-html5-project-lsqlite3
[21:14] <mhall119> looks like there might be a missing dependency for the html5 template
[21:15] <pmcgowan> alex-abreu, ^^
[21:15] <pmcgowan> must be the sample app needs it, may want to do it differently
[21:15] <cyphermox> rsalveti: uploaded NM with the fixes
[21:38] <rsalveti> cyphermox: awesome, will test
[21:41] <alex-abreu> pmcgowan, mmmh werird though ..
[21:43] <pmcgowan> alex-abreu, I just tried and it works fine for me
[21:47] <pmcgowan> mhall119, I installed the music app, seems its not compatible somehow
[21:48] <pmcgowan> shell locked up
[21:49] <pmcgowan> alex-abreu, I have that package, though
[21:51] <popey> pmcgowan: our music app on the latest build on nexus 4?
[21:51] <pmcgowan> alex-abreu, removed it and it still works so who knows
[21:52] <pmcgowan> popey, yes
[21:52]  * popey gets his n4
[21:53] <popey> you sure you're not using the cardboard cutout?
[21:54] <popey> i just "adb shell" and then "apt-get install music-app" and it pulls in ours (I have the PPAs enabled)
[21:54] <pmcgowan> popey, yep deleted that before loading
[21:54] <popey> hmmm
[21:54] <pmcgowan> log says it starts music app
[21:54]  * popey takes a look
[21:54] <pmcgowan> popey, working for you?
[21:54] <popey> not yet, wasnt installed
[21:54] <popey> i had the cardboard one
[21:56] <popey> sorry, its slow, i think it's defaulting to 3g
[21:56] <mhall119> pmcgowan: do you have a lot of music in /home/phablet/Music ?
[21:56] <pmcgowan> popey, I just tried again and it worked
[21:56] <pmcgowan> popey, something more to it then
[21:57] <popey> bah, networking a bit borked for me
[21:57] <pmcgowan> now I need to load some music
[21:57] <pmcgowan> popey, so nm, its related to something else I did first
[21:57] <popey>   Something wicked happened resolving 'ppa.launchpad.net:http' (-11 - System error)
[21:57] <mhall119> pmcgowan: it may have been it's sub-optimal media scanner just consuming a lot of CPU
[21:57] <popey> that error needs to die in a fire
[21:58] <popey> hmm, i appear to have a zillion gsm connections
[21:58] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5863046/
[22:01] <pmcgowan> mhall119, hmm added music files but dont see em
[22:01] <popey> known bug possibly
[22:02] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1193633
[22:02] <pmcgowan> all at top level
[22:03] <popey> it doesnt find files at top level for me either
[22:03] <RobbyF> just got a samsung sIII SGH-I747, I hope i can run daily's on it
[22:03]  * popey tries trunk music app
[22:06] <popey> yay!
[22:06] <popey> trunk works
[22:07] <pmcgowan> popey, whats trunk
[22:07] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-07-10-230704.png
[22:07] <popey> looks like that
[22:07] <popey> so I did a bzr branch of the bzr trunk and build a deb
[22:07] <popey> which will land in the ppa once jenkins does its stuff
[22:08] <pmcgowan> oh
[22:08] <pmcgowan> duh
[22:08] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/music-app_0.3_all.deb
[22:09] <popey> wget that on the device then dpkg -i music-app_0.3_all.deb
[22:09] <popey> if you want to try it right now
[22:09] <popey> plays audio too ☻
[22:10] <Well> hi peoples ?
[22:10] <popey> hello Well
[22:10] <AskUbuntu> differences between ubuntu touch and ubuntu-touch-preview | http://askubuntu.com/q/318684
[22:10] <popey> and still plays after the screen blanks
[22:11] <Well> I need a hint, I want to install ubuntu on my phone xperia j
[22:11] <popey> is it listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices ?
[22:11] <pmcgowan> very nice
[22:11] <popey> working for you pmcgowan ?
[22:11] <pmcgowan> popey, it does
[22:12] <popey> great!
[22:12] <pmcgowan> now I eod for a while
[22:12] <popey> some UI issues
[22:12] <pmcgowan> yep
[22:12] <popey> will file bugs ☻
[22:12] <pmcgowan> may not be worth bugs yet
[22:12] <pmcgowan> ui seems not done
[22:12] <Well> can someone give me a hint, I will get will be? ?
[22:12] <popey> true
[22:13] <popey> Well: if someone ports Ubuntu Touch to your device....
[22:14] <Well> I'm from Brazil. I've been reading the wiki but it does not have a legal support in Portuguese. so I came here.
[22:14] <alex-abreu> pmcgowan, I'll play w/ it a bit ...
[22:14] <pmcgowan> alex-abreu, ok but seems fine to me, who knows what he did
[22:14] <alex-abreu> yeah
[22:14] <alex-abreu> I don't really any specific connection
[22:15] <alex-abreu> at first I though it was somehow pulled out by something like localstorage but no it doesn't make sense
[22:15] <alex-abreu> pulled in
[22:15] <pmcgowan> he must have run a different project, thats easy in qtc
[22:15] <alex-abreu> yeah
[22:44] <ax562> Sup mbm?
[22:45] <ax562> How is the ubuntu touch forefront?
[22:46] <ax562> Is this past preview ed yet?
[23:28] <murrayuk> hey guys, I'm just putting Ubuntu touch on my N4 now and in bootloader downloading the boot.img, etc I got an error while executing adb push. I can only get into the bootloader now and nowhere else and my device isn't showing in adb. Not really sure where to go from here... any ideas?
[23:29] <sergiusens> murrayuk: there is no adb in the bootloader, that could explain your issue
[23:29] <murrayuk> ah okay. How do I get ubuntu fully installed from here then? Since I can't go anywhere else?
[23:30] <sergiusens> murrayuk: your description of what you've done seems pretty vague, so can you start by clearly stating what you did, I'm assuming you did this manually.
[23:32] <popey> murrayuk: you using our instructions? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install ?
[23:32] <murrayuk> I did it through the guide on the ubuntu webside. Did everything through terminal that it said, all went well. it rebooted into bootloader and started installed everything then I got an error while executing adb push of the autodeploy.zip.
[23:32] <popey> what error?
[23:32] <murrayuk> I'll put it into a pastebin. one second.
[23:33] <murrayuk> http://pastebin.com/78Tcw0qE
[23:33] <popey> does "adb devices" show the device?
[23:33] <sergiusens> murrayuk: so you are indeed in recovery and not in the bootloader
[23:33] <murrayuk> It didn't go into the recovery
[23:34] <murrayuk> my phone powered off afterwards
[23:34] <murrayuk> It shows in adb devices if its powered off
[23:37] <murrayuk> I'm guessing something went wrong and I should reflash android back onto it and try again?
[23:38] <sergiusens> murrayuk: powered off? just reboot into recovery and run phablet-flash -d mako
[23:40] <murrayuk> I tried going into recovery last time and it just rebooted but its worked this time funnily enough. Just ran the command and it seems to be doing something... Thanks :)
[23:40] <popey> great
[23:41] <fangli> hello guys! Do you think it's worth to move from Android to Ubuntu on my LG Nexus 4?
[23:53] <murrayuk> is there a way to go back? can't seem to figure it out :p
[23:57] <popey> murrayuk: figure what out?
[23:58] <murrayuk> how to back inside the os
[23:58] <popey> murrayuk: we have this process quite well documented on the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[23:58] <popey> what have you done?
[23:59] <murrayuk> got stuck on a network error screen. You know how android has a back button in the bottom left? How do I do that on ubuntu touch.


[02:59] <pleia2> meeting in a couple minutes
[03:00]  * philipballew cant wait
[03:00] <eps> go pee now -- we have a very full agenda ;-)
[03:01]  * philipballew laughs :)
[03:04] <pleia2> ok, who all is here for the meeting?
[03:04] <jtatum> o/
[03:04] <pleia2> we don't actually have anything on the agenda :)
[03:04] <philipballew> \0/
[03:04] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11December04
[03:04] <pleia2> so we can just do announcements and whatever other misc stuff people have
[03:05] <pleia2> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california has some upcoming events
[03:05] <pleia2> philipballew: how are things with the san diego ubuntu hour?
[03:05] <philipballew> Not great actually
[03:06] <pleia2> ok, will the planned one for tuesday be happening?
[03:06] <philipballew> I have not herd anything from dave, so i will assume no
[03:06] <pleia2> alright, can you follow up with him and get it removed from loco.ubuntu.com asap?
[03:07] <philipballew> I am not sure what he;s up to. I can see whats up with it. but i dont know whats going on with the thing
[03:07] <philipballew> I can remove it probably
[03:07] <pleia2> ok, thanks :)
[03:07] <jtatum> easy enough to re-add if needed
[03:07]  * pleia2 nods
[03:08]  * philipballew looks into how to remove
[03:08] <pleia2> so the next two events are San Francisco and Mt View Ubuntu Hours, on the 14th and 15th respectively
[03:08] <pleia2> I can't go to the one on the 15th because I'll be speaking to a linux class at ITT Tech again that night :)
[03:09] <jtatum> you will be missed of course :)
[03:09] <pleia2> I'll miss you guys too! I assume jledbetter will be there?
[03:09] <jtatum> i don't think we'll be able to make the 14th. jledbetter is still getting settled in.
[03:09]  * pleia2 nods
[03:09] <pleia2> welcome to california jledbetter!
[03:09] <jtatum> she says hello and thank you :)
[03:10] <pleia2> :)
[03:11] <pleia2> nhaines still has the call for Ubucon speakers open, if you want to speak get your submissions to him by the 12th, details here: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/2011-October/001849.html
[03:11] <pleia2> this is the Friday of SCaLE, on January 20th
[03:12] <bkerensa> :D
[03:12] <bkerensa> pleia2: Do you know how I would submit a patch to Ubuntu for sponsorship?
[03:12] <pleia2> and speaking of SCaLE, we have a discount registration code: UBUCO
[03:12] <pleia2> and our wiki is coming together here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Scale10x
[03:13] <pleia2> bkerensa: not sure what you mean by that
[03:13] <pleia2> anyone else have anything they want to talk about?
[03:13] <eps> pleia2: Is that a percent-off?
[03:13] <bkerensa> pleia2: I have a package that I converted to multiarch and I want to have it sponsored
[03:13] <bkerensa> :)
[03:13] <bkerensa> oh my bad
[03:14] <pleia2> eps: 50%, but if you volunteer at the Ubuntu California booth we get a few free passes, so you'll want to sign up as a volunteer for that
[03:15] <pleia2> once we have our booth pack we'll be able to get our volunteers sorted
[03:15] <eps> I want to see what's happening with airfares. Right now I'm seeing ~$169 RT SFO-LAX. That's too high.
[03:16] <pleia2> anything else? upcoming events? ideas? thoughts? :)
[03:17] <eps> Is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/GameNights still under consideration?
[03:18] <pleia2> yes
[03:18] <pleia2> iheartubuntu is the lead on that and I understand he's been quite busy lately
[03:18] <eps> I wasn't terribly enthusiastic ... until I saw this: http://www.lamebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/you2.jpg
[03:19] <pleia2> lol
[03:19] <akk> heh
[03:20] <pleia2> ok, I think that's a wrap
[03:20] <pleia2> thanks everyone, get your Ubucon submissions to nhaines by the 12th!
[03:20] <jtatum> thanks pleia2
[03:28] <philipballew> eps, sf to la can be done in 6 hours if you need to drive
[03:29] <eps> That's OK. Really.
[03:30]  * philipballew is to used to driving to let it matter anymore
[03:32] <akk> We've always driven it, because who'd want to be in LA without a car?
[03:32] <eps> Me!
[03:32] <nhaines> akk: it's not very pedestrian friendly.  :)
[03:32] <akk> I guess if you're only hanging around LAX and never going anywhere else, it might be okay.
[03:32] <eps> I have a TAP card and I know how to use it. :-)
[03:35] <eps> As far as I'm concerned, the only reason to drive is you get to stop at the In-N-Out Burger in Kettleman City.
[03:37]  * akk checks google for public transit from burbank to LAX -- ouch, 2.5-3 hours involving 4 different bus routes
[03:37] <akk> Really not a transit-friendly city (not that the bay area is either).
[03:39] <eps> LA has rail that actually works. Also Commuter Express buses if you're there at the right time. And don't forget the Flyaway buses.
[03:40] <akk> I'd love to be able to take transit to SCALE from Burbank (where my mom lives), so we don't have to do the 1.5-hour drive.
[03:40] <akk> But 3 hours and 4 buses each way really isn't feasible.
[03:40] <akk> I guess the trains are good if you happen to be going only along one of their routes.
[03:44] <jbermudes> Don't forget that LA Union Station has a direct express bus to LAX which is faster than light rail from downtown to LAX
[03:47] <jbermudes> actually you could probably get a shuttle from Bob Hope to LAX
[03:47] <akk> Looks like google transit doesn't know about those options.
[03:51] <jbermudes> if you can get a ride to Van Nuys then you can take just one shuttle directly to LAX http://www.lawa.org/welcome_lax.aspx?id=4697
[03:52] <jbermudes> that would probably be the cheapest and most direct unless you find a shuttle service at Bob Hope Airport
[03:55] <akk> Interesting. Any idea what it costs? They don't seem to have price info anywhere (just price to park there, which is reasonable, $4).
[03:57] <jbermudes> akk: $7 one way
[03:57] <akk> Good deal (compared with parking at the site). I might just see if Mom would be interested in that.
[03:58] <akk> Assuming of course they'll drop off at the hotel, but hopefully they would.
[03:59] <akk> though maybe not pick up there
[04:06] <eps> All the area hotels have free shuttles to the airport
[04:23] <jbermudes> right. so you'd take a shuttle to LAX, and then from there take a free shuttle to the hotel
[04:35] <eps> There's probably a whole generation of kids who don't understand why that's so amusing.
[06:14] <philipballew> akk jbermudes I rode the lax bus from union station last year and it was perfectly acceptable
[06:16] <jbermudes> philipballew: me too
[06:30]  * philipballew has so much in common with jbermudes
[06:32] <jbermudes> public transit buddies!
[18:18] <BotenAnna> so I'm trying to write some automation scripts and would love a way to automatically fill out interactive prompts. this has to exist, i'm sure it's something simple, but idk what!
[18:20] <BotenAnna> hmm. expect, maybe?
[18:22] <nhaines> Redirect a file to stdin.
[18:23] <BotenAnna> that's the other thing I was wondering
[18:24] <BotenAnna> like answers.txt > ./questions.shell ?
[18:30] <akk> It depends on the program -- some have prompts that are hard to automate, some are easy.
[18:31] <akk> There's no way you can run these programs in a mode where they don't ask questions? That's more reliable.
[18:31] <BotenAnna> they're simple installation scripts that ask you things like "do you want to install this" and you have to hit y and type some settings so it shouldn't be so hard
[18:31] <BotenAnna> and unfortunately no, but it's the same questions every time
[18:31] <BotenAnna> *hit y or type some settings
[18:31] <akk> As long as they don't change the order of questions in the next version -- that's always the danger with automatically answering prompts.
[18:32] <nhaines> You should modify the source so they use only default settings and smash anything that was there previously without confirmation.
[18:32] <BotenAnna> yeah but this is a thing for internal use mainly, so we'll know if that happens
[18:32] <akk> Like you set up your script to answer y, 1, y, y, but in the next version they insert a new 3rd question that's "do you want to delete all previous configuration information?"
[18:32] <akk> and now you're answering y to that
[18:32] <jtatum> echo -e y\ny\nsome setting\ny\n | ./install
[18:33] <nhaines> Yeah, it should cause dataloss by default.  You know you want to.  :)
[18:33] <nhaines> Then when someone complains you can say "Looks like someone didn't read the script comments!"
[18:34] <BotenAnna> anna@anna-desktop:~$ echo -e red\nto seek the grail\n50 mph\n | perl promptomatic.pl
[18:34] <BotenAnna> hi what is your favorite color? what is your quest? what is the air speed velocity of an unladen african swallow? the rednto seek the grailn50 mphn swallow, on an adventure  completed her tasks at anna@anna-desktop:~$
[18:34] <BotenAnna> not quite what i expected lol
[18:34] <jtatum> hehe
[18:35] <jtatum> looks like the echo didn't pick up the -e. bash?
[18:35] <BotenAnna> yes
[18:35] <jtatum> try two backslashes
[18:36] <jtatum> echo -e red\\nblah\\netc\\n | yourprog
[18:36] <BotenAnna> hmm seemed to work
[18:36] <BotenAnna> hi what is your favorite color? what is your quest? what is the air speed velocity of an unladen african swallow? the red swallow, on an adventure to seek the grail completed her tasks at 50 mphanna@anna-desktop:~$
[18:36] <BotenAnna> it smushed it all on one line but the last line is right
[18:36] <BotenAnna> (last part?)
[18:36] <nhaines> BotenAnna: now just add in the dataloss and you're all set!
[18:37] <jtatum> hehehehe
[18:37] <BotenAnna> on it 8)
[18:37] <jtatum> qa testers fear no data loss :)
[18:37] <BotenAnna> i dont often test my code
[18:37] <BotenAnna> but when i do, i do it in production
[18:37] <akk> let the users test it for you!
[18:37] <BotenAnna> stay thirsty my friends
[18:46] <nhaines> I just picked up World of Goo for my Android phone.  Only $2.99 today.
[20:49] <pleia2> Ubucon talk proposal submitted \o/
[20:50] <pleia2> Gareth: I'm assuming since the notification deadline for scale has passed, not hearing anything means a talk wasn't accepted?
[20:50]  * MarkDude hopes that in NOT the case
[20:50] <MarkDude> :)
[20:51] <Gareth> pleia2: we slipped the date a bit :)  I believe notifications are still going out.
[20:51] <MarkDude> pleia2, I ended up giving out a few of the cds I got from you Lyz
[20:52] <pleia2> Gareth: ok, will we get an explicit "no"?
[20:52] <pleia2> MarkDude: yay!
[20:53] <MarkDude> It was a pretty good success, great weekend - that ended by hearing my Grandpa died at the end of the day
[20:53] <MarkDude> Now I have to travel to Utah this weekend for a funeral
[20:53] <Gareth> pleia2: yeah.  we send out an email letting people know either way.  we're also still evaluating some of the submissions to see if they'll work for the friday sessions.
[20:53] <Gareth> MarkDude: sorry to hear that :(
[20:54] <MarkDude> Nixie admired your meeting up with me on a corner in SF, it looked like a geek drug deal
[20:54] <MarkDude> Thx Gareth
[20:54]  * MarkDude met up with Lyz during flashmob on a corner
[20:55] <MarkDude> It was amusing
[20:55] <pleia2> MarkDude: sorry to hear about your grandpa :( *hugs*
[20:55] <Gareth> swapping Linux cds?  shifty eyes?  scanning around...
[20:55] <MarkDude> Well - he was in lots of pain
[20:56]  * pleia2 nods
[20:56]  * MarkDude had event for another Distro, but still had Ubuntu Swag
[20:56] <MarkDude> Besides, he was in his 90s- lived a full life,
[20:56] <MarkDude> and had a gf up til a few years ago
[20:56] <pleia2> well, that's something :)
[20:57] <MarkDude> He was at peace about his passing
[20:57] <MarkDude> Much easier to deal with than my Mom, she died way too young
[20:58] <pleia2> 7th anniversary of my father's passing is on wednesday, still not an easy day
[20:58] <MarkDude> Plus being so tired from this weekend made it a bit easier, I just sorta was not surprised. I was planning on making a trip next week to see him a last time
[20:59]  * pleia2 nods
[21:00] <MarkDude> Its what it is. Sorta sucks I cant really post anything on FB, since not all relatives know yet
[21:02] <MarkDude> Ok, enough depressing stuff :) I wasa able to meetup with my step sister - that I had not seen since we were 11
[21:02] <pleia2> heh, wow
[21:03] <MarkDude> Was nice to catch up
[21:04] <MarkDude> A few of the people ended up going for coffee and good Indian food for dinner
[21:04] <MarkDude> She is 2nd grade teacher, and teaches Palo Alto kids - so she knows a bit about geeks ;)
[21:05] <pleia2> cool
[21:05] <pleia2> I met a cousin of my cousin who is a special ed teacher in oakland recently
[21:05] <MarkDude> It's neat being able to add members to your family
[21:52] <cyphase> is there any particular way to see if there's anyone near me besides just asking? maybe a map somewhere
[21:56] <nhaines> Not really.  We don't track user addresses anywhere, and a lot of users here are anonymous.  And some aren't even from California.
[21:56]  * nhaines stares at bkerensa.
[22:09] <nhaines> Hmm, in a couple of months I'll be upgrading this server to Ubuntu 12.04 LTS.  That's sort of strange to think about.
[22:15] <greg-g> nhaines: you don't wait for LTS.1 for your servers? You renegade :)
[22:29] <nhaines> greg-g: This server's just for idling on IRC.  :)
[22:30] <greg-g> quite the over powered server :)
[22:30] <nhaines> 1.5GB disk and 64MB RAM?  Nope.  :)
[22:32] <greg-g> ok, but how many watts?
[22:32] <greg-g> ;)
[22:32] <nhaines> Not my problem.  It's a $5-a-month VPS.  ;)
[22:32] <akk> But ... killing the planet! :)
[22:33] <nhaines> akk: but in style!  :)
[22:33] <akk> That counts for something. :)
[23:07] <greg-g> nhaines: ah, vps, gotcha
[23:07] <greg-g> nhaines: I thought you had some old beige box in the closet from 1997


[06:48] <dholbach> good morning
[12:36] <Cheri703> dholbach: it is entirely possible that I missed it, but did that blog post you'd mentioned happen to go out? (I know you're super busy, so not pushing, just asking :) )
[12:42] <dholbach> Cheri703, no - I'm afraid not and today it won't go out either - tomorrow the chances are much better again
[12:42] <dholbach> it's the start of UDW today
[12:42] <dholbach> and I'm running around like headless chicken
[12:42] <Cheri703> ah, yes, UDW! I completely understand :)
[12:43] <Cheri703> I just wanted to put it back on your radar, as I said, I know you have tons of stuff going on :)
[12:43] <dholbach> now it's time to walk the dog - brb


[01:07] <Hermenegil> someone know how to restore the original graphic card driver auto-detected during the installation in Xubuntu 8.10 ?
[01:08] <TheSheep> Hermenegil: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:14] <Hermenegil> hi TheSheep, how do i configure driver in : sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? it's asking question about keyboard layout, nothing on video driver
[01:26] <TheSheep> Hermenegil: I suppose it has been removed then
[01:26] <TheSheep> Hermenegil: just undo the changes you did to xorg.conf
[01:30] <Hermenegil> I didn't change anything in xorg.conf,  how can I undo ?
[01:41] <TheSheep> what did you do exactly?
[01:52] <TheSheep> please talk here :)
[01:52] <TheSheep> do you remember which packages you installed?
[03:18] <MaxHavoc> Does anyone know if it's possible to use SSH to just open a tunnel without giving a remote command prompt?
[03:20] <TheSheep> MaxHavoc: yes
[03:20] <TheSheep> MaxHavoc: you can run any command or forward ports
[03:22] <MaxHavoc> I'm trying to tunnel rdesktop through SSH
[03:28] <MaxHavoc> Would you...happen to know how to do that?
[07:19] <|ntegra|1> I really like the ubuntu manuals, they shed light on "how-to" which is loverly
[07:19] <Roken> Ubuntu Manuals?
[07:23] <|ntegra|1> ya-ha, hang on gotta go
[07:26] <|ntegra|1> oh, yeah, I just like it how ubuntu has made 'heaps' of howtos where there was a gap before (albeit a googlable gap, but none-the-less)
[09:49] <atgarsis> hi. got a little problem with grip. it tells "invalid encoder executable". anyone can help?
[09:49] <atgarsis> which encoder is best for mp3 and why the executable is invalid?
[10:32] <zeltak> hi
[10:33] <zeltak> anyonw knows how to get desktop icons on xubuntu? (using mythbuntu if that maters..)
[10:35] <ablomen> zeltak, place .desktop files in the desktop folder
[10:35] <zeltak> k gotcha thx :)
[10:36] <zeltak> mm how do i create it in xfce (since you cant drag from the menu right?)
[10:37] <ablomen> zeltak, most if not all .desktop files should be located in /usr/share/applications
[10:38] <zeltak> k thx alot ablomen
[10:38] <ablomen> you should be able to just copy them to ~/Desktop
[10:38] <ablomen> np :)
[14:53] <Woo_> Hey non supercilious Linux folk!
[14:53] <Woo_> My hard drive is getting broken these days so I bought a new and bigger one today.
[14:53] <Woo_> http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Dd#Clone_a_harddisk
[14:54] <Woo_> Is it easy to make the filesystem bigger afterwards?
[15:01] <Stroganoff> Woo_: i recommend the gparted livecd to resize your FS
[15:04] <Woo_> Do you think I will encounter many problems doing this? I am NOT a person fammiliar with Linux.
[15:04] <Woo_> I also have a license of Acronis.
[15:05] <Stroganoff> no, gparted is really easy to use. i don't know if Acronis can handle ext3
[15:05] <cirv9> hey.. anyone who knows why Thunar keeps freezing whenever I choose "View hidden files" in for example /proc?
[15:05] <Woo_> Just for the cloning part
[15:12] <charlie-tca> cirv9: Is that the only folder it freezes in?
[15:13] <charlie-tca> for example, can you view hidden files in your /home directory?
[15:13] <cirv9> charlie-tca: nope, it's the same in /home
[15:13] <cirv9> I can view them, but it really takes ages to "load" the view
[15:14] <cirv9> its a fresh xubuntu 8.10 btw
[15:14] <Stroganoff> http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2502
[15:16] <cirv9> Stroganoff: that's the problem, thanks. ill try disabling "tree view" then
[15:17] <Stroganoff> it seems to have been ugly-fixed recently
[15:23]  * jarnos think swap gets more and more filled, if you hibernate instead of shutdown.
[16:04] <PrebenR> anybody gotten video thumbnails to work in Thunar?
[16:04] <PrebenR> I have installed both the thunar-thumbnailers and the ffmpegthumbnail package
[16:04] <PrebenR> but still no thumbnails
[16:06] <charles> Newbie question: XU8.10 just installed, updated (~170packages), packages samba-common, smbclient, fusesmb installed. How can I browse existing windows network (at least one system, ping is ok)?
[16:16] <Stroganoff> charles: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FuseSmb#Using%20smbfuse
[16:16] <Pres-Gas> charles, I believe the fusesmb package...Stroganoff beat me
[16:19] <charles> Stroganoff, Pres-Gas: thanks, I'll check it.
[17:18] <nikolam> Hi
[17:18] <chosig> Hello
[17:19] <nikolam> I have bonobo-activation-server using 1 Gig of RAM
[17:19] <nikolam> :)
[17:19] <nikolam> Hardy 64bit
[17:21] <TheSheep> that's what I call lightweight
[17:22] <TheSheep> !bugs
[17:22] <nikolam> :) TheSheep
[17:25] <nikolam> hm TheSheep it was my mistake.. hmm. Sorting by memory usage is right in System monitor. It was My mistake. It was 1016 KiB.
[17:25] <nikolam> Sorry
[17:26] <nikolam> But I still wonder where all that Ram goes, since 1036MB is used and no applications use that much Ram
[17:34] <TheSheep> nikolam: try xrestop
[17:38] <jf812> Hi is anybody here?
[17:38] <charlie-tca> !anybody | jf812
[17:39] <jf812> No im not really going to ask a question. I was just seeing if it connected properly
[17:39] <charlie-tca> Okay, you are connected. Welcome to #xubuntu
[17:41] <jf812> What kind of computer are people running Xubuntu on? I'm just running it on my home PC
[17:41] <charlie-tca> All kinds, from the old to the new, including mac
[17:42] <jf812> I prefer it to Ubuntu because its simpler
[17:43] <charlie-tca> I started using it because it ran on my old pc
[17:44] <charlie-tca> Now I use it because I like the way it works better.
[17:44] <chosig> hrm... my panels dissapeared when i moved a launcher, what's the xfce-way to restart them?
[17:44] <chosig> (didn't get a crash report)
[17:44] <Odd-rationale> i used to use xubuntu/xfce... now i'm on gnome...
[17:44] <TheSheep> chosig: alt+f2 and type 'xfce4-panel'
[17:45] <charlie-tca> or https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels
[17:46] <chosig> TheSheep, thanks
[17:47] <chosig> oh... segfault
[17:56] <tich> does anyone know if there is a way to take a screen shot when an application is fullscreened?
[17:58] <tich> i have the screen shot panel app but i would like to take some screen shots of applications when the panel is ouut of view
[17:59] <tich> i read, in the description of the panel app that one could bind it to a key but i can't see how to do it
[18:02] <TheSheep> tich: just use gimp and timed snapshot
[18:03] <tich> TheSheep, ah yes i read about that but i wanted to be more spontaneous
[18:03] <TheSheep> try installing scrot and binding it to your key
[18:04] <tich> okay, i will look into that
[18:04] <tich> it is in the repos i presume
[18:04] <tich> thanks for the advice
[18:27] <chosig> hrm... if i tell terminal to open an url (firefox), is it possibleto make firefox stay in the workspace it is and not teleport to the one i "opened the url" from?
[18:27] <TheSheep> yes
[18:27] <TheSheep> chosig: http://wiki.sheep.art.pl/Firefox and XFCE4
[18:28] <TheSheep> chosig: http://wiki.sheep.art.pl/Firefox%20and%20XFCE4
[18:30] <chosig> TheSheep, thanks a bunch :)
[18:32] <chosig> TheSheep, Arithemtic Algebraic Geometry... wow, sounds intense :)
[18:40] <TheSheep> chosig: eh?
[18:41] <chosig> looked at your portfolio :)
[18:42] <TheSheep> ah
[18:55] <Odd-rationale> TheSheep: hey, that's a cool option! wish i new about that before! :P from what i've been told, this "new feature" is part of the freedesktop.org EWMH specifications. I admit i don't like very much. Thanks for the work araound!
[19:04] <atgarsis> hello
[19:05] <atgarsis> i am using 'evince' document reader, but some pdf documents look a bit 'scruffy', i.e. the fonts are not embedded. any ideas how to cure this problem?
[19:06] <atgarsis> does that mean that 'evince' does not support non-embedded fonts?
[19:08] <Hermenegil> can someone tell me why "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" ask me question about my keyboard but nothing on video/graphic ?
[19:10] <charlie-tca> Video is now set automatically through Hal, I think.
[19:15] <Hermenegil> can i change the video setting manually ?
[19:16] <charlie-tca> You can manually edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, yes
[19:18] <Hermenegil> there is almost nothing in my xorg.conf
[19:19] <charlie-tca> That is because most items are automatic now.
[19:19] <atgarsis> anyone can recommend a pdf viewer which would support non-embedded fonts?
[19:25] <Stroganoff> atgarsis: xpdf?
[19:26] <atgarsis> does it also support djvu format?
[19:26] <Stroganoff> i don't know
[19:26] <Stroganoff> there's also acroread from adobe (it's in the medibuntu repos)
[19:28] <atgarsis> thanks!
[20:02] <Hermenegil> i have this prompt on boot : " Your screen, graphics card, and input device setting could not be detected correctly. You will need to reconfigure these yourself. "  i'm now in the (Low-graphic mode), can i restore the video driver without reinstalling, (I'm on Xubuntu 8.10)
[20:04] <charlie-tca> Hermenegil: yes, it can be done. You shouldn't need to reinstall. Take a look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[20:05] <charlie-tca> You can also boot using recovery option in Grub, and try Xfix option
[20:07] <Hermenegil> thanks, i let you know if it work
[20:07] <charlie-tca> no problem.
[21:35] <jeremey> anybody here use Quanta +?
[21:37] <charles> Hi all! Another one newbie question: how can I  change the system locale? I have a lot of usb---flashdrives with windows-created (cp1251) filenames and need to use them...
[22:04] <wooboy> hi!!!
[22:04] <wooboy> anybody here????
[22:05] <zoredache_> !anyone
[22:06] <wooboy> how do i get my two bars back? they diseapeared!
[22:06] <wooboy> top and bottom bars
[22:06] <wooboy> on xubuntu
[22:06] <zoredache> aka 'panels'.   press alt-f2, and then type xfce4-panel
[22:06] <wooboy> thanx very much
[22:07] <wooboy> why did they diseapear???
[22:07] <wooboy> suddenly
[22:08] <zoredache> If you didn't do anything to kill the processes, then another possibility might be that there was some kind of bug and the process died.
[22:08] <wooboy> oh ok
[22:08] <wooboy> thx anyway :)
[22:10] <wooboy> it works cool thx
[22:19] <Odd-rationale> !panels
[22:19] <Odd-rationale> !panel
[22:20] <charlie-tca> !xfce-panels
[22:20] <Odd-rationale> hmm...
[22:21] <Odd-rationale> charlie-tca: did you add that?
[22:21] <charlie-tca> I wrote a wiki help page yesterday.
[22:21] <charlie-tca> No, it was already
[22:21] <Odd-rationale> yeah, i know, you should me...
[22:21] <Odd-rationale> showed*
[22:21] <Odd-rationale> met me see here...
[22:22] <charlie-tca> Took a lot of reading to find the factoid
[22:23] <Odd-rationale> !xfce-panels is Did you panels disappear? Press alt+f2 and run: xfce4-panels | See also: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels | Want to theme your panels? See http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/howto-set-a-background-image-for-your-panel/
[22:23] <charlie-tca> Nice
[22:23] <Odd-rationale> !xfce-panels
[22:24] <Odd-rationale> heh. i think it needs to get approved...
[22:24] <Odd-rationale> I got a msg from ubottu saying that it is waiting aproval from #ubuntu-ops
[22:24] <charlie-tca> So it will get there...
[22:25] <Odd-rationale> you can always head over there to make sure it gets done... :P
[22:26] <charlie-tca> Not on the list.
[22:33] <Odd-rationale> charlie-tca: what do you mean?
[22:33] <charlie-tca> I lost my mind, forget it
[22:34] <Odd-rationale> !xfce-panels
[22:43] <Odd-rationale> !xfce-panels
[22:44] <Odd-rationale> !xfce-panels
[22:44] <Odd-rationale> !panels
[22:44] <Odd-rationale> there we go, charlie-tca
[22:44] <charlie-tca> Looking good! :-)
[22:44] <Odd-rationale> use !panels
[22:45] <Odd-rationale> !panels | charlie-tca
[22:45] <Odd-rationale> :P
[22:46] <charlie-tca> Hey! that's great... :-)


[07:15] <WebVisitor-0> marco
[15:35] <drott> i am working on touch features for EFL webkit, my environment is ubuntu 12.04 - is there a way i can disable the three finger and four finger gestures?
[15:37] <dandrader> drott, only if you use a shell other than Unity.
[15:38] <drott> dandrader: or I guess, recompiling unityshell and patch these out? but you're saying there is no setting?
[15:39] <dandrader> drott, or that. no there's no such setting.
[15:40] <drott> dandrader: alright, thanks


[00:05] <DanaG> Ooh, this DOES look cool: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/BasicIdeals
[00:06] <DanaG> Though I still like Aurora.
[00:08] <Toma-> impossible with the current gnome software
[01:28]  * tehk can't wait for murrine 0.60 and translucent windows
[01:29] <Toma-> its fake transparency right?
[01:29] <Toma-> it wouldnt be dependant on a compmgr
[01:35] <DanaG> Actually, it seems to be real transparency.
[01:36] <DanaG> http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/12/12/gnome-theme-engine-designer-adds-transparency-to-gtk
[01:39] <Toma-> The translucency effects obviously require a compositing window manager, but the theme engine is designed so that the widgets will simply be rendered without transparency when no compositing window manager is present.
[01:52] <tehk> Yea so scaling is alreay there
[01:53] <DanaG> WTF?  I just scrolled and stopped, and the screen kept scrolling for another 3 pages.
[10:35] <lapo> hi
[15:45] <cursor> ello
[19:16] <mgunes> Is it a good idea to have Ubuntu branding instead of GNOME in gnome-system-monitor's "System" tab?
[19:52] <kwwii> no, we decided not to brand that
[19:53] <kwwii> we want to stay away from branding everything ubuntu
[22:04] <somerville32> kwwii, ping
[22:05] <kwwii> somerville32: pong
[22:05] <somerville32> kwwii, I can package.
[22:05] <kwwii> somerville32: killer, that would be great
[22:05] <kwwii> it is not like the tings we do are very hard or technicaly challending
[22:05] <kwwii> erm, you get my point
[22:05] <somerville32> I'm surprised you guys are having trouble finding people to do it
[22:06] <kwwii> yeah, I assumed that people would step up and help
[22:06] <kwwii> the first thing we want to do is put the elephant wallpaper as the default version for Hardy
[22:06] <somerville32> One question
[22:06] <somerville32> Is there an artwork council?
[22:06] <kwwii> that means moving the package to a new name and moving the current pics around
[22:07] <kwwii> no, there is no artwork council, I am the boss :p
[22:07] <somerville32> Ok.
[22:07] <kwwii> actually, mark is the boss
[22:07] <kwwii> and I am just the appointed person doing his bidding
[22:07] <_MMA_> No, there's a problem finding a "dedicated" person to do it. ;)
[22:07] <kwwii> as i work for canonical it makes most sense to do things through me
[22:08] <kwwii> as I can ask developers for favors that they kinda *have* to do ;-)
[22:08] <somerville32> lol
[22:08] <_MMA_> kwwii: And what the hell are you doing around anyway? :) Shouldnt you be kicking back with a beer somewhere?
[22:09] <kwwii> _MMA_: has to watch my kid while my wife is at a christmas party
[22:09] <kwwii> and as he just went to bed I just popped open a beer :-)
[22:09] <_MMA_> Ahh... ;)
[22:10] <kwwii> get this...I found a couple of other people who have their own companies or work from home and we are all going out on monday to have our own christmas party
[22:10]  * _MMA_ waits for a pizza. Then is gonna watch movies with the kids. (ironically while the wife also goes to a party) ;)
[22:11] <kwwii> ;-)
[22:11] <kwwii> it is that time of the year
[22:11] <_MMA_> Yep. hehe. "Work from home Christmas party." Neat.
[22:12] <kwwii> actually, since I started renting an office away from home I really notice the difference
[22:12] <kwwii> it is really nice to have a place to go and other people to see
[22:12] <_MMA_> Yeah. I can imagine. Thats killing me now and I can wait to go back to work.
[22:13] <_MMA_> I love 'em but I swear I wanna kill 'em more often now. :)
[22:13] <somerville32> :)
[22:13] <kwwii> getting away from home is really important now and again
[22:13] <kwwii> btw. this is for everyone:
[22:13] <kwwii> I updated the specs for hardy
[22:14] <kwwii> so everyone knows where we stand
[22:14] <kwwii> more info coming soon
[22:14] <kwwii> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/
[22:14] <kwwii> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/HardyIconTheme and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/HardyTheme
[22:15] <somerville32> kwwii, so, what do you want me to do?
[22:15] <kwwii> somerville32: for now, we need to update gutsy-wallpapers
[22:16] <kwwii> which means we need to make a new package called hardy-wallpapers
[22:16] <_MMA_> somerville32: *IF* you do this you should also coordinate with TheMuso as he is coming up with a more manageable system for Ubuntu Studio's art.
[22:16] <kwwii> and switch the current default and the elephant wallpapers
[22:17] <kwwii> as far as the wallpapers go we need to think of a better way to update things
[22:17] <_MMA_> kwwii: Its nuts to make a new package just for a wallpaper update.
[22:17] <kwwii> as now we use a certain filename to set it
[22:17] <kwwii> _MMA_: it is either that or get away from the release names at all
[22:17] <somerville32> Why are you creating new packages?
[22:17] <_MMA_> Id just update the Gutsy one and really look at the system Luke is coming up with.
[22:17] <kwwii> somerville32: the important part is that the name of the package changes
[22:18] <kwwii> _MMA_: yes, we can do that, but we should all work together to find the best solution
[22:18] <somerville32> kwwii, Why not just put it in a ubuntu-artwork package or something?
[22:18] <kwwii> somerville32: yeah, that is what I thought too
[22:18] <kwwii> we do not have one package which includes all the themeing
[22:19] <kwwii> the reason seems to be that this way we can allow people to install older artwork packages without removing the current
[22:19] <_MMA_> somerville32: Just talk to TheMuso. I dont want you running off and duplicating efforts.
[22:20] <_MMA_> Our plan is to have 1 source package that generated all the needed binary packages.
[22:20] <_MMA_> *generates
[22:20] <kwwii> while that is interesting I am not certain that it is the best way to go about it
[22:21] <kwwii> although kubuntu does it like that for ever and it works really well
[22:21] <_MMA_> It would be fine.
[22:21] <kwwii> you need someone who really knows what they are doing to update something or a simple mistake breaks everything
[22:21] <_MMA_> What dont you think would work?
[22:21] <kwwii> and changing one thing requires rebuilding almost everything in the whole desktop
[22:21] <_MMA_> Naa....
[22:22] <somerville32> Why do we need multiple binary packages?
[22:22] <_MMA_> kwwii: It really shouldnt be that bug a deal.
[22:22] <_MMA_> somerville32: Because not everyone would want to install it all.
[22:22] <somerville32> Fair enough
[22:23] <kwwii> well, we also have different releases of that package for every variant and release
[22:25] <_MMA_> kwwii: Why?
[22:25] <_MMA_> Well, actually, For some parts yes.
[22:26] <kwwii> ;-)
[22:26] <_MMA_> But it shouldnt be a big deal at all.
[22:26] <kwwii> see how having one big package does change the way you have to do things?
[22:26] <_MMA_> Because you can still depend on the binary packages.
[22:27] <_MMA_> Sure but it shouldnt be an issue really. Ubuntu Studio's art should be different from Ubuntu. But I can still depend on a binary package the comes out of Ubuntus.
[22:29] <kwwii> oh it is certainly doable
[22:29] <_MMA_> kwwii: Show me exactly how it will be an issue, but I gotta read it later. Kids are calling me. :)
[22:30] <kwwii> dude, I am not sure that it will be a real problem, I am just asking open questions :p
[22:31] <somerville32> Hey TheMuso
[22:31] <somerville32> We were just talking about packaging for Artwork
[22:31] <somerville32> TheMuso, _MMA_ says that you're looking at ways to improve the process?
[22:31] <TheMuso> Right.
[22:32] <TheMuso> Yes I am.
[22:32] <somerville32> kwwii, said that he is looking for packages and I've volunteered. _MMA_ recommends I coordinate with you.
[22:33] <kwwii> no matter what we do, I don't want to waste anyones time
[22:33] <TheMuso> Understandable.
[22:34] <TheMuso> somerville32: SO what do you know so far about the current way the artwork is packaged?
[22:34] <somerville32> TheMuso, That there is a new package for each release
[22:34] <TheMuso> somerville32: SO you haven't dug any further yet
[22:35] <somerville32> No, I've only started speaking with kwwii 30 minutes ago
[22:36] <TheMuso> Right.
[22:36] <kwwii> many packages are just small pieces of the themeing which get updated every release, and some have release specific names
[22:37] <TheMuso> kwwii: Yeah I know, ubuntustudio is kinda the same.
[22:37] <TheMuso> somerville32: Well, in its curren state, the artwork for Ubuntu uses autoconf/automake.
[22:38]  * somerville32 nods.
[22:38] <kwwii> not all of it
[22:40] <TheMuso> kwwii: The ubuntu-artwork package proper is though afaik.
[22:41] <TheMuso> sorry the icon theme
[22:41] <kwwii> right
[22:42] <TheMuso> Thats the one I'm looking at improving packaging for.
[22:42] <TheMuso> Since ours is based on autoconf/automake, ours being ubuntustudio
[22:42] <kwwii> many of our packages use python instead
[22:42] <kwwii> it has proven to be much easier
[22:43] <TheMuso> Python-distutils, yeah agreed.
[22:43] <kwwii> exactly
[22:43] <TheMuso> I'm thinking that is a good option for icon-theme.
[22:44] <kwwii> basically, I know enough to know how much I don't know :p
[22:44] <kwwii> yeah, moving the icon them from using a makefile would be a big improvement
[22:44] <TheMuso> bbl, gotta go do chores, but I'll have a think about whats required to switch to distutils, considering there are so many icon dirs.
[22:45] <kwwii> cool, see you around
[22:46] <kwwii> somerville32: in any case, if we can at least update the stuff for hardy to use the elephant wallpaper as default instead of the current gutsy default it would be a good step forward
[22:47] <somerville32> kwwii, and you want this in a new s/b package for now?
[22:47] <kwwii> somerville32: yeah, that seems like the best step at this time
[22:48] <_MMA_> I dont think it needs to be.
[22:48] <_MMA_> That requires changing depends on other packages.
[22:49] <_MMA_> Just keep using the Gutsy package with the default changed.
[22:49] <_MMA_> *Gutsy named.
[22:50] <_MMA_> That way you dont have to touch "ubuntu-artwork" as well.
[22:51] <_MMA_> *IF* this is a temporary solution that is.
[22:52] <kwwii> I do not think that at this time you have to touch ubuntu-artwork as well
[22:52] <_MMA_> If you create a new package yes you will.
[22:52] <kwwii> hrm, you might be right
[22:52] <kwwii> seb128 would know more
[22:53] <kwwii> but if we have to do that, I can just tell him to do it :p
[22:53] <somerville32> I can update ubuntu-artwork too if needed
[22:53] <somerville32> kwwii, It is your call
[22:53] <_MMA_> Dammit. Just do like I said. :P Its 2 changes.
[22:53] <kwwii> we should just ask seb
[22:54] <kwwii> but it makes little sense logically to update a package for hardy called "gutsy-wallpapers"
[22:54] <_MMA_> Well he would have to push the changes to the archive anyway.
[22:54] <kwwii> then there would be no chance to install that package logically on a newer system
[22:54] <_MMA_> But that only if you're sticking with the current packaging scheme.
[22:55] <_MMA_> This can just be temp like I daid.
[22:55] <_MMA_> *said
[22:55] <kwwii> right
[22:55] <_MMA_> I really think you're making this wallpaper change more than it needs to be. :P
[22:56] <kwwii> :p
[22:56] <_MMA_> I could see if you know your sticking with the current system but you keep talking about changing it.
[22:56] <kwwii> mark said that we should update it asap
[22:56] <kwwii> right, but changing it without knowing exactly what you are doing is silly
[22:57] <_MMA_> Thats why changing the gutsy-named package for now is fine.
[22:57] <_MMA_> I guess you have to say for what cycle you want to make the packaging change.
[22:57] <kwwii> right, it probably is enough for now
[22:57] <_MMA_> This or +1
[22:58] <_MMA_> You could always use Ubuntu Studio's change as a test and switch +1.
[22:58] <_MMA_> Maybe for now, its best to keep with the current system so as to minimize the amount of work involved for all.
[22:59] <_MMA_> But that's your call.
[22:59] <kwwii> _MMA_: I think we might as well change as now, but I want to only change once
[23:00] <kwwii> so knowing exactly what you are doing and discussing it with other devs is important before we change
[23:01] <_MMA_> Sure. So for now, just change the gutsy-named package and work with Ubuntu Studio on their system. There's no reason why we can also involve seb.
[23:02] <kwwii> right
[23:03] <_MMA_> gah. *cant (you got it)
[23:05] <somerville32> So, whats the verdict?
[23:05] <_MMA_> I've said my piece. ;)
[23:05] <kwwii> I think that the most important part for now is that we update things
[23:06] <kwwii> we can work out the long term plan later
[23:06] <kwwii> gotta run to get my wife
[23:06] <kwwii> brb
[23:06] <somerville32> Ok, so I'll keep the current model and create a new source package and update the ubuntu-artwork package to reflect
[23:06] <kwwii> somerville32: sounds like the best plan for now
[23:07] <_MMA_> pfftt.  Gotta go. bbl
[23:22] <kwwii> somerville32: yeah, but we probalby need to include the old default under another name
[23:23] <somerville32> dholbach already updated the package in hardy to archive the gutsy stuff
[23:24] <somerville32> Is the first item in ubuntu-wallpapers.xml.in the default or something?
[23:27] <_MMA_> Actually, the default is set in a gconf key.
[23:27] <_MMA_> So your wallpaper has to be named the same thing or you need to touch the package that sets the key.
[23:29] <kwwii> right
[23:29] <kwwii> the names in the xml should be apparetn
[23:29] <kwwii> nt
[23:29] <somerville32> the elephant background is not png like simple was
[23:29] <somerville32> so I'll have to update that package
[23:29] <kwwii> erm, shit
[23:30] <somerville32> or  convert it to png
[23:30] <_MMA_> See... this is why the system needs to be changed.
[23:30] <kwwii> no doubt
[23:30] <kwwii> I forgot about that part
[23:30] <kwwii> the easy way is to just convert it to png
[23:30] <_MMA_> So the new Hardy package needs to be named the same.
[23:30] <_MMA_> gah
[23:30] <kwwii> or change the package and then also change the gconf setting
[23:31] <kwwii> man, see what I mean when I say that an artist should not have to deal with this stuff?
[23:32] <_MMA_> Well I would do both. (as long as someones touching it) Change the gconf setting to something generic like "ubuntu.png" and stick with that from now on.
[23:32] <_MMA_> Then change the wallpaper name.
[23:33] <somerville32> ubuntu-final.png is what we have been using
[23:33] <kwwii> yeah, probably the best bet although I would like to really discuss the final fname with people to find what is really best
[23:33] <somerville32> err.. final-ubuntu.png
[23:33] <somerville32> so I'll convert elephant to png
[23:34] <kwwii> I mean, the whole problem we have now is because a few people made a quick decision which sucked
[23:34] <_MMA_> "We" as in Xubuntu?
[23:34] <kwwii> somerville32: yeah, for now that is enough
[23:35] <somerville32> What does Xubuntu have to do with this?
[23:36] <_MMA_> "somerville32: ubuntu-final.png is what we have been using" "_MMA_: "We" as in Xubuntu?"
[23:36] <kwwii> xubuntu has nothing to do with this
[23:36] <kwwii> lol
[23:36] <somerville32> _MMA_, We as in this package :P
[23:36] <kwwii> I am pretty sure they have their own name
[23:36] <kwwii> we as in ubuntu
[23:36] <_MMA_> The Ubuntu one should have "warty" in the name.
[23:36] <_MMA_> Not just "final-ubuntu.png".
[23:37] <somerville32> Ah, right
[23:37] <_MMA_> Hence the question. ;)
[23:37] <kwwii> warty-final-ubuntu.png has to be the name for now
[23:37] <_MMA_> And thats the whole reason we have this problem.
[23:38] <kwwii> exactly
[23:38] <kwwii> but before we just go pick another name at random, let's think this out first
[23:38] <_MMA_> Like I keep saying "ubuntu.png" or even "final-ubuntu.png" is good.
[23:39] <kwwii> probably, but maybe there is something better
[23:39] <_MMA_> But I wouldnt so systemic changes until we get seb, luke and all of us together.
[23:40] <kwwii> I cannot think of anything better, but I want to have a meeting about this and get people's official opinions and statements before making a mistake
[23:40] <kwwii> right
[23:40] <_MMA_> Naa... Nice and generic. Otherwise you risk the same situation we have now.
[23:40] <_MMA_> w00t! Pizza's here.
[23:41] <kwwii> w00t, the word of the year
[23:41] <kwwii> I love that fact
[23:44] <mgunes> kwii, what's the rationale in not branding g-s-m's "System" tab?
[23:45] <kwwii> mgunes: we only brand important things so that derivatives have an easier time at it
[23:45] <andreasn_> hm, I wonder what the gnome foot is doing in there
[23:46] <andreasn> why have any logo at all there
[23:46] <andreasn> =
[23:46] <andreasn> ?
[23:46] <kwwii> right
[23:46] <mgunes> kwii, I think this should be included in "important things"
[23:46] <kwwii> hi andreasn
[23:46] <andreasn> hey
[23:46] <kwwii> mgunes: actually, we had a long discussion about this before gutsy
[23:46] <mgunes> if anything is going to appear there at all, OS branding makes more sense
[23:47]  * TheMuso return
[23:47] <TheMuso> returns
[23:47] <mgunes> kwii, in the mailing list? I'd like to read it
[23:47] <kwwii> mgunes: nope
[23:47] <kwwii> it was a private discussion within canonical
[23:48] <mgunes> kwwii, how exactly does rebranding make it more difficult for derivatives? I'm not arguing that it shouldn't; I'd just like to learn how
[23:51] <kwwii> it makes one more pic to change
[23:51] <kwwii> and it also makes things nasty when you run on app in another desktop/variant
[23:51] <kwwii> in the end, I did make pics for it but they were removed
[23:52] <kwwii> and it really does seem right to show that, if anything, it is a gnome desktop
[23:52] <kwwii> nautrally, we could bring the issue up again and see what comes of it
[23:52] <_MMA_> mgunes: Really, for Ubuntu Studio, I dont wanna have to brand every little thing. Im cool with not hiding everything mentioning GNOME.
[23:53] <mgunes> it's not the best place to show that it's a gnome desktop. System / About GNOME does that. the info presented in the g-s-m capplet is more closely associated with the operating system than the desktop environment
[23:53] <kwwii> actually, we are also working on makeing a bling version of the about stuff
[23:53]  * mgunes knows
[23:53] <kwwii> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/HardyShine?highlight=%28%5EDesktopTeam%2FSpecs%2F.%2A%29
[23:54] <kwwii> erm
[23:57] <kwwii> lol, this makes me wonder when the artwork team really rocked: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_124/2645-Riding-the-Failure-Cascade
[23:58] <mgunes> I think the professional touch it adds would be worth the tiny bit of work it adds for derivatives
[23:58] <_MMA_> Also, that colored gradient in g-s-m is pulled from the theme so I dont know how that image is actually done.
[23:58] <kwwii> it is a funky thing
[23:58] <kwwii> it has a pic which it lays on a bg, irrc
[23:58] <_MMA_> I also dont believe in removing all traces of GNOME branding. Where does it end?
[23:59] <kwwii> much like all other gnome themeing things, it seems like a freaky hack
[23:59] <kwwii> :p
[23:59] <_MMA_> kwwii: Well the "foot" itself is colored from the gtkrc.
[23:59] <mgunes> _MMA_, I'm not arguing for removing all traces of GNOME branding. it just doesn't fit into this particular place, unlike OS branding.
[23:59] <_MMA_> Like I said "Where does it end?".


[00:02] <Unit193> !br
[00:37] <PadreVuador> @ubottu and @unit193 tks!
[08:35] <blingrang> Hi, just installed a fresh xubuntu 18.04.2 with 4.18.0-15-generic. When I lock my screen (ctrl+alt+el), I get a black screen instead of the login screen. I can log back in if I type in the password but it would be great to have the screen back.
[08:36] <blingrang> s/el)/del)/
[08:41] <blingrang> Funnily enough, if I install xscreensaver, I can lock out and it displays the login screen. It would be great to just light-locker, though.
[09:20] <blingrang> Never mind, it appears to be a bug. Found an _active_ github issue for it.
[15:17] <Kumool> Gosh, I've thought about it, and there is no way that changing the volume will ever not be slow
[15:17] <Kumool> using multimedia keys
[15:17] <Kumool> not in xfce anyway
[17:15] <xubuntu20w> Hello guys, i want to know how to create xubuntu bootable usb in manjaro ?
[17:16] <diogenes_> xubuntu20w, pacman -S etcher
[17:16] <diogenes_> if it's available of course
[17:16] <diogenes_> if not then download it
[17:17] <xubuntu20w> Thanks diogenes
[17:19] <diogenes_> you're welcome
[23:59] <xubuntu32w> Hi, I have an HP Stream 13 Laptop (Celeron CPU, 2 GB memory and 32 GB storage). Would there be a difference if I install the 64bit or the 32bit version of Xubuntu?


[00:07] <cprofitt> by the way hggdh - congrats on the IRC council
[00:35] <hggdh> cprofitt: thank you, sir
[04:57] <paddy> so, elky & rww: is that what you guys wanted to achieve, by opping rww on the offtopic channel so he can kick me without any reason?
[04:57] <paddy> i would call this a break of the code of conduct
[04:57] <rww> @btlogin
[04:59]  * paddy sets the timer to 5 more minutes
[05:00] <IdleOne> paddy: he also kicked another user and elky
[05:00] <paddy> to cover what he was aiming for, yes
[05:00] <IdleOne> I'm fairly certain it was all meant to be funny
[05:00] <paddy> no
[05:01] <IdleOne> but I see where you are coming from
[05:01] <paddy> not according to what he said on #ubuntu-devel
[05:01] <paddy> no.
[05:01] <rww> out of interest, which bit of what I said?
[05:01] <rww> sorry for appearing, btw. my ears were burning. left-over superpower from when i staffed :(
[05:01] <paddy> your self fullfilling prophecy has become real
[05:02] <paddy> you figured out how you can trigger me so i escalate situations
[05:02] <paddy> and you are all proud of it
[05:02] <paddy> i am sure to elky this kind of male attitude is super sexy
[05:02] <paddy> but this is not about having fun on my costs
[05:02] <paddy> this fun ends here
[05:03] <rww> !o4o =~ s/war,/war, fun,/
[05:03] <rww> There, all sorted. Anything else we can help you with today?
[05:04] <paddy> rww: yes
[05:04] <paddy> rww: pack your bag. grab your elkynatious bride and your few friends and make a new channel so you can leave #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:05] <paddy> #ubuntu-offtopic is a community channel
[05:06] <paddy> rww: otherwise, i will find people who stress you the way you stress me
[05:06] <rww> I strongly recommend that you petition the IRC Council to permaban me, elky, and my few friends from #ubuntu-offtopic. It is the fastest way to achieve this goal :)
[05:07] <IdleOne> alrighty then. we done here?
[05:07] <rww> Unfortunately, though, I am unable to do it myself without elky giving me ops again, which she can't do because we banned fun from #ubuntu-offtopic at your request.
[05:07] <rww> Sorry about that.
[05:08] <paddy> IdleOne: we are not done
[05:08] <paddy> i repeat:
[05:08] <paddy> rww: pack your bag. grab your elkynatious bride and your few friends and make a new channel so you can leave #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:09] <IdleOne> So. Here is how I see it. paddy is upset because elky gave rww ops and rww kicked paddy.
[05:09] <paddy> i cant re-join #ubuntu-offtopic until rww and his folks leave
[05:09] <IdleOne> Am I right so far?
[05:09] <paddy> no
[05:09] <paddy> i am 2 steps ahead
[05:09] <IdleOne> right, well I'm trying to catch up. please humor me
[05:10] <paddy> the conclusion is that the channel is not run as community channel at the moment. this is not acceptable
[05:10] <IdleOne> according to?
[05:10] <paddy> as per example of today. other examples are that new users are labeled as trolls and then treated bad, etc.
[05:11] <IdleOne> you will agree that your personal track record in #ubuntu* is not the most stellar?
[05:11] <paddy> says who?
[05:11] <IdleOne> says me
[05:11] <paddy> how would you know for sure?
[05:11] <IdleOne> after looking at our ban tracker
[05:12] <paddy> digging up shit that is how many years old now?
[05:12] <IdleOne> problem with shit is that it never really goes away
[05:12] <paddy> there was 1 ban situation in the near past
[05:12] <paddy> thats it
[05:12] <paddy> it never goes away because people want it to be remembered
[05:12] <paddy> and i know who these people are
[05:13] <IdleOne> you make it so they can't forget
[05:13] <phunyguy> (this is a good example.)
[05:13] <paddy> there is no way of doing that, because of people like elky
[05:14] <paddy> people who are not worth the piece of paper where they signed the code of conduct
[05:14] <IdleOne> people like elky is why this community is as functional as it is (dysfunctional as it may still be)
[05:14] <paddy> i never saw any work of elky only bloggings
[05:14] <paddy> hot air
[05:15] <paddy> but thats side tracking the problem now
[05:15] <IdleOne> what she writes about in her personal time does not concern me.
[05:15] <IdleOne> what concerns me right now is what exactly your complaint is?
[05:16] <paddy> the point is that a small group of individuals controls #ubuntu-offtopic aside from situations where somebody is offending
[05:16] <IdleOne> how do you propose we fix this?
[05:16] <paddy> they actively provoke people to behave in an emotions driven way
[05:17] <IdleOne> So, you are saying it is their fault you bahve badly?
[05:17] <paddy> remove channel access from certain people
[05:17] <paddy> i am not saying its their fault but they provoked it willingly
[05:18] <IdleOne> ok, who do you think we should remove access for?
[05:19] <paddy> e.g. if somebody gives operator priviledges to another user who is not in the access list
[05:19] <paddy> rww is not even an ubuntu member
[05:19] <paddy> how would he be a representative for the community?
[05:20] <rww> I should probably stick to representing Ubuntu offline, where I'm a leader of a LoCo, huh.
[05:20] <IdleOne> Do you think that our ops lack the ability to judge who can be trusted to not harm the channel or its users to badly?  You are not welcome in #ubuntu-offtopic any longer. You are also now being advised to not disrupt any other Ubuntu IRC channels or you won't be welcome there either.
[05:26] <paddy> alright
[05:26] <IdleOne> Thank you for bringing your concerns to us about our channel ops.
[05:26] <paddy> thank you and have a nice time
[05:26] <IdleOne> Same to you.
[05:32] <IdleOne> !o4o =~ s/war, fun,/war,/
[05:32] <rww> IdleOne: I'm not /that/ obnoxious.
[05:32] <IdleOne> changed it back?
[05:32] <rww> yep
[05:32] <IdleOne> yes you are
[05:32] <IdleOne> but that is part of your charm
[05:32] <rww> and that's why you're chomping at the bit to give me back #ubuntu-offtopic ops
[05:33] <elky> at least then i can evade the flack
[05:33] <rww> elky: except not, because everything one of us does is the other one's fault from now on
[05:33] <IdleOne> I don't know about that. just recently (look up ^) received a complaint about you abusing ops
[05:33] <rww> that is the burden I must bear
[05:34] <elky> lol
[05:34] <rww> IdleOne: I only abuse ops that want to be abused, thanks.
[05:34] <IdleOne> sounds legit
[05:35] <IdleOne> why can't you be a good op and pick on phunyguy or something
[05:38] <phunyguy> :(
[05:38] <IdleOne> shaddap! you love it.
[06:14] <phunyguy> tattle.
[13:31] <Myrtti> anyone up for a winter cleaning?
[15:48] <Tubby> Good Morning homies
[15:53] <Tubby> you betrayed me ikonia
[15:53] <Tubby> i thought we were family
[15:53] <Tubby> nooooooooooooooo waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[15:54] <IdleOne> :/
[15:54] <IdleOne> Good morning


[16:21] <faLUCE> Hello (18.04).  I created a hotspot wi-fi connection on an usb dongle with network-manager (GUI). I can see the hotspot in list, and my android device sees it as well. However, my android device can't connect to it (generic error)... what can I check in order to fix that? thanks
[16:22] <wxl> faLUCE: you might look at /var/log/syslog
[16:29] <faLUCE> wxl: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/npYryMGPh6/
[16:31] <wxl> faLUCE: is fe80::c718:8cb9:99de:8f37 the ipv6 of your android?
[16:33] <faLUCE> wxl: no, it's the mac of the othere wi-fi card (the one which is connected to internet)
[16:34] <faLUCE> wxl: sorry: it's the ipv6 of the other wi-fi connection (the one which is connected to internet)
[16:34] <wxl> faLUCE: what device does wlxa0f3c107dc37 describe? the dongle?
[16:34] <faLUCE> wxl: yes
[16:36] <wxl> yikes, i have no clue. try wicd and see if you have better luck.
[16:36] <faLUCE> wxl: it seems that wpa_supplicant is using the dongle
[16:36] <faLUCE> it should not use it, because it's configured as hotspot
[16:37] <faLUCE> am I wrong?
[16:37] <wxl> i would suspect not but i really don't have any experience with doing what you're doing
[16:37] <wxl> you might want to check in with #ubuntu as this is more of a general question than a lubuntu one. getting more eyes on it might help
[16:40] <faLUCE> it seems the dev has blacklisted... (??)   http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zc33QZT5tB/


[08:52] <mapreri> jbicha: I'm looking at the lxqt-session and I can't find a reason on why we wouldn't want lxqt-common as a dependency.
[08:53] <mapreri> can you explain me why you did that?  Was because of some temporary situation that is not gone?
[11:46] <jbicha> mapreri: please talk to gilir, the Lubuntu lead who made that change originally
[12:05] <jbicha> mapreri: I think it wouldn't hurt to keep that transitional pkg until after 18.04 LTS


[16:53] <soee> mamarley: https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1024719/unix-graphics-announcements-and-news/linux-solaris-and-freebsd-driver-387-12-beta-/
[16:53] <soee> this would be new beta version ?
[16:58] <ricotz> it absolutely is! ;)
[17:22] <soee> ricotz: packaging ?
[17:38] <ricotz> soee, will take a look
[17:40] <soee> \o/
[18:06] <ricotz> soee, mamarley, I guess basic smoketesting worked out here, will upload to personal staging ppa
[18:07] <ricotz> soee, I assume you are on artful?
[18:14] <soee> ricotz: no, no
[18:14] <soee> I'm on Xenial (Neon)
[18:22] <ricotz> ok
[20:06] <ricotz> mamarley, soee, it is up
[20:12] <soee> :D
[20:13] <soee> hmm
[20:13] <soee> somehow it does not see yet updates for me
[20:13] <soee> ah wait i have to install it
[20:16] <ricotz> tjaalton, fyi, nvidia 387.12 beta has "drm-next" support
[20:20] <soee> reboot
[20:21] <mamarley> ricotz: Awesome, thanks!
[20:21] <soee> and back
[20:21] <mamarley> (I was in an all-day meeting today so I didn't see this message until now.)
[20:21] <soee> https://i.imgur.com/h00dz3Z.png
[20:22] <soee> thanks for packaging :)
[20:22]  * mamarley is leaving now and will install it when he gets home.
[20:22] <mamarley> I will probably just copy it into my own staging PPA so I don't have to add yet another PPA to all my boxen.
[20:31] <ricotz> mamarley, it makes more sense to actually use the official ppa packages yourself too, aka using *the* ppa ;)
[20:47] <mamarley> Oh, you've already copied it?
[20:48] <mamarley> Indeed you have.  OK.
[20:48] <mamarley> I'll go ahead and package nvidia-settings then if you haven't already done that.
[21:04] <ricotz> mamarley, haven't done settings, I didn't plan to though
[21:04] <mamarley> I am going to put it in my staging PPA anyway.  If you don't want it in the main PPA yet, that is fine.


[12:15] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: how can I update the svn to the latest doc one
[12:16] <nixternal> svn up
[12:16] <Admiral_Chicago> what about the address though
[12:16] <nixternal> what address?
[12:16] <nixternal> oh
[12:16] <nixternal> don't you already have it checked out locally?
[12:16] <Admiral_Chicago> you don't need svn up www.docwhatever.com
[12:17] <Admiral_Chicago> i have it on my computer as of the patches i sent you
[12:18] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: I did svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk ubuntu-doc
[12:18] <Admiral_Chicago> to get the packages
[12:19] <LaserJock> Admiral_Chicago: if you did a checkout then just run svn up
[12:19] <Admiral_Chicago> i did, says, "Skipped '.'
[12:19] <Admiral_Chicago> is it because of the directory?
[12:20] <LaserJock> Admiral_Chicago: are you in the directory?
[12:21] <CIA-25> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal feisty * r3999 / (19 files in 19 dirs): this is scary, but I only changed &legalnotice; to &klegalnotice; and added that to cdo-C in root libs - no string changes
[12:21] <Admiral_Chicago> I think so 'freddy@omg-gnus:~/Ubuntu/Documentation$' has a folder ubuntu-doc
[12:21] <LaserJock> so go into ubuntu-doc
[12:22] <Admiral_Chicago> ah there it goes, thanks a lot LaserJock
[12:22] <LaserJock> Admiral_Chicago: np
[12:23] <CIA-25> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal feisty * r4000 /kubuntu/libs/ (ccbysa.html contributors.html): cheated - I built out contributors.xml and ccbysa.xml into 14647doc.html - will copy from kubuntu libs file to build file and move with dh_install in the script - this works
[12:23] <nixternal> dude, I am kicking some ass right now
[12:23] <nixternal> totally in the zone
[12:26] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: while are in the zone. look at 94930
[12:26] <CIA-25> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal feisty * r4001 /kubuntu/debian/rules: debian dh_install for those 2 files
[12:26] <LaserJock> tonyyarusso: no, it's really good to see, trust me ;-)
[12:26] <Admiral_Chicago> bug #94930
[12:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 94930 in ubuntu-docs "Typo in games doc" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/94930
[12:26] <nixternal> oh well
[12:26] <Admiral_Chicago> that should be kubuntu docs
[12:26] <nixternal> can't do nothing about it
[12:26] <Admiral_Chicago> i thought so.
[12:26] <nixternal> that will get fixed in feisty+1
[12:26] <Admiral_Chicago> you'de have to change strings
[12:26] <nixternal> yup
[12:27] <nixternal> so in English it will be incorrect, but I am sure those translators will correct it for their language ;)
[12:27] <Admiral_Chicago> btw, in my forlder I have a bunch of games.xml ....which one do i need
[12:27] <Admiral_Chicago> ignore the spelling.
[12:28] <CIA-25> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r4002 kubuntu/games/C/games.xml: closes #94930
[12:28] <nixternal> there, that was easy
[12:28] <Admiral_Chicago> when i did svn > diff it compared it to 3999
[12:28] <Admiral_Chicago> yea, at least commit the fix
[12:28] <Admiral_Chicago> who cares if it gets released
[12:29] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: does SVN comare to all versions of games.xml or the latest one, in this case games.xml.r3999
[12:30] <nixternal> refine that one, you lost me
[12:31] <Admiral_Chicago> okay. wait a sec.
[12:34] <CIA-25> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r4003 ubuntu/games/C/games.xml: closes 94930 on the Ubuntu side
[12:34] <Admiral_Chicago> nixternal: http://pastebin.ca/407224
[12:36] <nixternal> ahh, you mean svn diff
[12:36] <Admiral_Chicago> yea, i'm brain dead today I thikn
[12:36] <Admiral_Chicago> and dyslexic
[12:37] <nixternal> when you create a patch, as long as the actual file in the repo hasn't changed since you created the patch, then it is fine, but if it has changed since then, you would ahve to redo your patch
[12:38] <Admiral_Chicago> so the patch will be correct so long as the file in the trunk in the SVN hasn't changed during generating the patch?
[01:01] <nixternal> Admiral_Chicago: correct
[01:01] <Admiral_Chicago> good
[01:59] <CIA-25> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r4004 kubuntu/ (23 files in 20 dirs): merging feisty changes
[06:31] <CIA-25> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal feisty * r4005 /edubuntu/get-pot.sh: this will help Jordan remember xml2po
[06:31] <CIA-25> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal feisty * r4006 /edubuntu/ (3 files in 3 dirs): and here are the new pots
[06:33] <CIA-25> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal feisty * r4007 /edubuntu/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed - forgot to svn up first
[06:34] <CIA-25> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal feisty * r4008 /edubuntu/ (3 files in 3 dirs): this commit proves that the get-pot.sh script is hokey - I didn't make any changes and ran it, but yet it changed the last rev pots
[08:08] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: workin' late huh?
[08:09] <Burgundavia> not really
[08:09] <Burgundavia> not tonight
[08:10] <LaserJock> I thought the beta announcement was already written?
[08:12] <Burgundavia> sort of
[08:12] <Burgundavia> I thought so as well
[08:12] <LaserJock> you'd think the Canonical marketing people would be really on top of that
[08:13] <Burgundavia> apparently they leave it to us
[08:14] <LaserJock> still, you'd think they'd at least follow up to make sure it's done
[08:14] <LaserJock> ah well
[08:14] <Burgundavia> eh
[08:15] <LaserJock> sometimes I'm just amazed at what they have a "hands off" attitude while other things they control with an iron fist ;-)
[08:17] <Madpilot> artwork & icons are under the iron fist, basic info on new beta/testing releases is hands off - go figure
[08:17] <Madpilot> Edgy's orange Nautulis icons are both ugly and useless, btw
[08:17] <Madpilot> just thought I'd throw that in
[08:17] <LaserJock> heh
[08:17] <Burgundavia> those are the new "tango" metaphor
[08:17] <Burgundavia> the "no words on it"
[08:19] <Madpilot> the real Tango Nautilus symbols are actually usable. The round orange things in Edgy are dreadful. They all look alike.
[08:29] <mdke> nixternal: xml2po gives you a different output because the date of creation of the pot file changes, nothing else
[08:29] <LaserJock> morning mdke
[08:29] <mdke> morning
[09:31] <Madpilot> Spammer hard at work: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jonni5?action=AttachFile
[09:32] <Madpilot> mdke, want to ping the LP admins? I'm about to sign off for the night, but I'll delete those attachments first
[04:07] <nixternal> mdke: ahhh, the date does it. I didn't even think about that
[04:08] <nixternal> mdke: I fixed that linking issue with the license stuff :)
[04:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #95108 in kubuntu-docs (main) "error in description of launching Ooo Writer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95108
[05:06] <nixternal> NO!!!!!!!!
[05:14] <nixternal> oh well, that isn't getting fixed
[05:14] <nixternal> we totally need to come up with a better translation/string freeze system
[05:46] <nixternal> mdke: if you get around..that latest fix I planned with the links. Well it seems the links in the .pot files need to be updated as well, so that kind of stinks
[05:56] <nixternal> mdke: is it possible that when translations come back, I can fix those links in each translated file?
[05:56] <nixternal> or is there an easier way?
[08:44] <mdke> nixternal: well, by using sed, I guess
[08:44] <nixternal> well ya, but I can do that right?
[08:44] <mdke> hmm?
[08:45] <nixternal> I mean fix the links before the last package is submitted?
[08:46] <mdke> you could include a line that does it in the script which converts the translations into xml
[08:46] <mdke> after doing the converting, you can use sed or whatever
[08:47] <mdke> nixternal: and yeah, better translation/string freeze system should be in place for the next release because translations will be opening a lot earlier
[08:47] <nixternal> awesome. Thanks mdke, you just made my day
[08:54] <Gwaihir> hi all! I was wondering, the contributors.xml file... is going to be translated?
[08:54] <nixternal> Gwaihir: I was wondering the same thing
[08:54] <mdke> not planned at the moment
[08:54] <mdke> Gwaihir: got any thoughts on it?
[08:55] <nixternal> nobody really looks at it I don't think. The broken links in Kubuntu have been there for 3 releases now, and just recently it was reported :)
[08:55] <Gwaihir> well... we just found it linked in a document...
[08:55] <Gwaihir> so we were wondering what to do
[08:55] <nixternal> you are referring to a Kubuntu document aren't you?
[08:56] <nixternal> err, disregard that, you don't have my updated package
[08:56] <Gwaihir> actually desktop-effects
[08:56] <nixternal> that would be ubuntu-docs then
[08:57] <Gwaihir> yes... ubuntu's one
[08:57] <mdke> it's linked in every document
[08:57] <nixternal> yup
[08:58] <nixternal> mdke: maybe we should go ahead and translate it
[08:58] <mdke> hmm
[08:58] <nixternal> it will carry over to every distro then
[08:58] <Gwaihir> I think it would be nice...
[08:58] <nixternal> ccybysa?
[08:58] <mdke> it's just a list of names really, not a massive deal
[08:58] <Gwaihir> but people should also localize the URL
[08:58] <nixternal> mdke: oh ya, that is true
[08:59] <nixternal> ;wi6
[08:59] <nixternal> yay
[08:59] <mdke> Gwaihir: yeah, we could do that with &language; but it's a bit of a pain, to be honest
[09:00] <mdke> I'd probably prefer to avoid it for this release, unless it is quite important to have that translated
[09:00] <nixternal> +1
[09:00] <Gwaihir> well... maybe translators could just change the C in the link
[09:00] <Gwaihir> not very important... just to have everything translated
[09:00] <nixternal> ahhh. See, I did kubuntu-docs with help:/kubuntu/contributors.xml
[09:00] <nixternal> so it is language independent that way
[09:00] <nixternal> err, contributors.html rather
[09:01] <Gwaihir> that way yes...
[09:01] <nixternal> oh, I need to get the firefox-startpage for Kubuntu translated as well. How do I go about importing that?
[09:01] <Gwaihir> in ubuntu is full path...
[09:01] <mdke> nixternal: is it in html?
[09:01] <nixternal> ya, that was the reason for my last bug fix for kubuntu-docs actually
[09:01] <nixternal> mdke: yes
[09:02] <mdke> there's no proper way of importing that to rosetta that I know of
[09:02] <nixternal> so I have come to realise
[09:02] <mdke> just do a call for manual translations
[09:02] <mdke> i have to go for dinner now
[09:02] <nixternal> to the translators list?
[09:02] <nixternal> ya, I need to clean up or do something, now that I can feel a little easy now about translations
[10:38] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83054 in ubuntu-docs (main) "Lack of "Linux Culture Guide"" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83054
[10:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #95213 in xubuntu-docs (main) "xubuntu-doc hasn't update since dapper" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95213