[07:08] <Zhenech> so not sorry about spamming with non-ubuntu arch merge requests ;)
[13:17] <ahayzen> Hi, i'm having an issue where the HUD doesn't read the menu items from a PyGObject script. I have even tried running the example given at http://python-gtk-3-tutorial.readthedocs.org/en/latest/menus.html#example but the HUD refuses to 'read' the menu items. What is wrong with the code? Thanks in advance, Andy
[19:59] <mhall119> thomi: hey, what's the status of Autopilot documentation?
[20:01] <thomi> hi mhall119. I got maybe 80% of the way to writing reasonable API docs and a user guide for autopilot, but got interrupted by all our autopilot machines failing to boot :(
[20:01] <thomi> It's still on my list, pretty near the top, along with getting an autopilot release out the door
[20:02] <thomi> Up until a week ago it's been just me on autopilot. We now have veebers as well, so things should start happening a bit faster
[20:06] <mhall119> thomi: cool, let me know if there's anything I can help with (taking into consideration my lack of autopilot knowledge)
[20:07] <thomi> mhall119: thanks. Things are going to be pretty rough and ready to begin with, so once I get a release out it'd be good to get people such as yourself telling me which bits need to be improved or expanded upon
[20:09] <mhall119> thomi: that I can do :)


 I'd like to know if was possible to recover from "completely shut down"
[13:24] <jose> not 100% sure on this
[13:25] <tiagogomes> ok. what if I ran ensure-availability. And laster I acquired new hardware. Would it be possible to rerun ensure-availability so that a new state server starts on the new hardware?
[13:59] <stub> I think the review queue needs a kick. 30 mins and my MP isn't up.
[14:03] <jose> stub: let me check if the merges I did cleared from the queue
[14:06] <lazyPower> stub it may be behind a bit, when tvansteenburgh surfaces i'll poke at him to poke @ the logs and see if it needs cycled
[14:06] <lazyPower> also o/ stub
[14:07] <stub> ta both of you
[14:07] <stub> o/
[14:07] <lazyPower> mornin jose
[14:07] <lazyPower> tiagogomes thats tricky
[14:07] <stub> I'm never sure if it has hung or if my ISP is being evil.
[14:07] <lazyPower> stub :(  always a gamble
[14:08] <tiagogomes> lazyPower oh, can't just I add a state server?
[14:08] <lazyPower> tiagogomes nope. if you ran a single state server (no ha) and then destroy it, the chances of re-creating your model controller node are pretty minimal
[14:08] <lazyPower> there are some backup/restore tecnniques but i dont recall off hand what they were
[14:09] <lazyPower> natefinch: didn't' you do a writeup to the list on how to recover from a tanked state server? or was it just how ot recover from missing .jenv files?
[14:11] <tiagogomes> lazyPower oh I think that you were replying to my first question. I asked after "<tiagogomes> ok. what if I ran ensure-availability. And laster I acquired new hardware. Would it be possible to rerun ensure-availability so that a new state server starts on the new hardware?"
[14:11] <lazyPower> tiagogomes - i think if you had one node still participating, you could reasonably re-create a HA state server, but restoring from a single node you're in for some heartache
[14:11] <lazyPower> but to 100% be certain of that i would need to confirm from core that its been tested
[14:11] <lazyPower> this is all theory at the moment
[14:12] <lazyPower> beisner still need that mysql mitaka sync landed?
[14:15] <tiagogomes> My use case is that I purchase some blade server to use for JuJu. Later on I purchase another server and I would like to run the state server in the new server for high-availability, as they are in two different availability zones
[14:16] <beisner> hi lazyPower - indeed if you've got cycles, please do.  TA!
[14:16] <lazyPower> beisner just pushed. LGTM
[14:16] <lazyPower> i like what you did in tests/tests.yaml
[14:43] <jose> ohai lazyPower
[14:44] <lazyPower> o/
[14:45] <lazyPower> updates
[14:45] <natefinch> lazyPower: howdy... not me, I don't think.  Maybe perrito666?  He's the restore master.
[14:46]  * perrito666 feels summoned
[14:46]  * natefinch waves at perrito666.
[14:46]  * natefinch points at lazyPower.
[14:47]  * lazyPower points at scrollback
[14:47]  * natefinch sorta misses MUDs and all the emotes they had sometimes.
[14:47] <beisner> thx lazyPower
[14:47] <lazyPower> haha
[14:47] <lazyPower> natefinch did you MMUD bro?
[14:47] <natefinch> lazyPower: hugely in college... even ended up running a MUD for a while.
[14:48] <lazyPower> same here, i pulled it out in 2014 and played a couple months worth of "let the bot autoroam in foreveralone mode"
[14:48] <perrito666> I see, it is theoretically possible
[14:48] <perrito666> although I never tried to do exactly that
[14:48] <lazyPower> tiagogomes ^
[14:48] <lazyPower> seems like its theory, but not practice yet
[14:50] <lazyPower> beisner np np
[14:58] <lazyPower> If anyone is looking for some background noise, I just cut the final edit of the systemzoo podcast - episode 3 featuring former juju developers Wayne Witzel, and Whit Morriss - http://systemzoo.org/3
[14:58] <tiagogomes> lazyPower ?
[14:59] <lazyPower> tiagogomes - confirmation that rebuilding from a fractured HA setup hasn't been verified
[14:59] <lazyPower> perrito666 says its "theoretically possible" but it doesn't appear that we have data to back it up
[15:00] <tiagogomes> lazyPower, ha, what you mean by fractured.  I was hoping to rerun ensure-availability with a working system to make it even more HA
[15:00] <perrito666> backing up, changing a server and restoring should work but we never tested said feature as a migration, only as a rescue
[15:33] <tvansteenburgh> stub: lazyPower: revq looks ok on the backend, should get to your mp eventually
[15:37] <pmatulis> can juju use a network image store remote with the lxd local provider?
[16:07] <matt_dupre> I've pushed a bundle to Launchpad, but it hasn't appeared in the charm store (been a few hours).  I used lp:~project-calico/charms/bundles/<bundle-name>/bundle; but is there anything else I need to do?
[16:08] <lazyPower> matt_dupre nope, that looks about right
[16:08] <lazyPower> we were having issues with ingestion in the last couple of weeks though
[16:09] <lazyPower> matt_dupre - take a look here and if its a problem item add the url to the bug please - https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/jujucharms.com/issues/189
[16:12] <matt_dupre> What kind of time should I expect for a bundle?
[16:13] <lazyPower> matt_dupre the longest you should have to waiti for a bundle ingestion is ~ an hour. publications using the launchpad ingestion system cycle every half hour
[16:13] <matt_dupre> OK, thanks lazyPower: I'll add a note to the issue
[16:13] <lazyPower> this problem will "go away" with juju 2.0 - as store upload is a direct process.
[16:13] <lazyPower> while that doesn't help today, we're getting there quickly!
[16:58] <Prabakaran> Hello Kevin, Hope you are doing great !!. This is regarding IBM Java layer charm. Since it is a subordinate charm i am using ubuntu charm to test ibm-java subordinate charm.
[16:58] <Prabakaran> In this case i am connecting ibm-java charm and Ubuntu charm via java interface. So before running charm build command layer.yaml file looks like this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/14497095/ .
[16:58] <Prabakaran> If I am connecting via java interface to test my charm, i have downloaded ubuntu charm and edited metadata.yaml file and mentioned provides as "java".
[16:58] <Prabakaran> Now if I want to connect ibm-java layer charm with Ubuntu charm with juju-info interface. I think I may have to change layer.yaml file before running charm build command.
[16:58] <Prabakaran> If so, is there anything that i need to edit in the layer.yaml file, please advise how to connect Ubuntu charm and ibm-java layer charm with juju-info interface.
[17:17] <tiagogomes> Hi, I am trying to boostrap JuJu on OpenStack but I am getting an not very helpful authentication failed. Is there a way to see more information about what's going on? I am using verbose mode. Also, does JuJu supports keystone v3?
[17:21] <kwmonroe> hi Prabakaran - the java relation is needed to test your charm.  without it, the java states won't be set, which means you will not enter the code that does install or config-changed.  so i don't think you should change your ibm java charm to use juju-info.
[17:22] <kwmonroe> Prabakaran: i'm working on the following, which is a generic ubuntu charm that already has the java interface for you.  if you deploy this, you shouldn't have to modify a local ubuntu charm.  instead, relate your ibm-java charm to ubuntu-devenv:  https://jujucharms.com/u/kwmonroe/ubuntu-devenv
[17:23] <kwmonroe> Prabakaran: the nice thing about a generic ubuntu-devenv is that we can use the same thing for stuff like ibm-xlc and ibm-fortran, in addition to jdk providers like ibm and zulu.
[17:25] <Prabakaran> Thanks kevin, i will test my charm with ubuntu-devenv charm
[17:27] <kwmonroe> cool - good luck Prabakaran!  once i get tests added to that charm, i'll put it up for review.  until then, you can deploy it in a test like this (note the cs:~kwmonroe namespace for ubuntu-devenv): http://paste.ubuntu.com/14497345/
[17:40] <tiagogomes> does JuJu boostrapped on OpenStack requires Swift?
[17:45] <bdx> mbruzek, lazyPower: Nice work on layer-k8s and layer-tls!  After giving it some thought, and reviewing what I'll be trying to do alot of using the tls-layer, I feel like I need to use the  ca(), client_cert(), and server_cert() functions in k8s.py, everywhere I will be using layer-tls. Should/could those functions just be part of layer-tls?
[17:46] <lazyPower> bdx we're considering shipping a lib w/ the tls layer
[17:46] <lazyPower> that would be a good abstraction point
[17:50] <bdx> lazyPower: each of the three functions, and the other two functions they depend on could just be defined in lib/tlslib.py and accept an input parameter of dest_dir?
[17:59] <lazyPower> something like that
[17:59] <lazyPower> we like the idea of key retrieval from unit data
[18:00] <lazyPower> its all nicely encapsulated there in the charm state store, so why not?
[18:00] <lazyPower> you can put it wherever you want
[18:00] <lazyPower> keep it in memory if thats something you're into
[18:00] <lazyPower> skys the limits
[18:00] <lazyPower> bdx: file a bug and lets sketch what it looks like there
[18:01] <lazyPower> i'lll ping the list about it, see how many "does this work with lets encrypt" responses and then land a lib
[18:17] <bdx> lazyPower: sweet!
[18:17] <bdx> will do
[18:24] <icey> what's the policy with regards to layers on python versions, I'm trying to use a layer that does not work on python3 but works fine on python2
[18:25] <lazyPower> i think we're targeting python3
[18:26] <lazyPower> i know stub has strong feelings on this. I feel like as a whole we are moving away from python2 as its long since deprecated.
[18:26] <icey> that's what I was hoping to hear :)
[18:27] <icey> I notice that the hooks generated with charm build use /usr/bin/env python3
[18:34] <bdx> lazyPower, mbruzek: like this https://github.com/jamesbeedy/layer-tls/blob/port_k8s_to_tls_lib/lib/tlslib.py ?
[18:35] <lazyPower> bdx add some unit tests and you're talkin buddy!
[18:35] <lazyPower> bdx btw we like py.test <3
[18:49] <bdx> lazyPower: Is there a way to run my tests w/o deploying the layer/charm?
[18:49] <lazyPower> just unit tests, if you want to functionally test it, you'll either need to provide the env its expecting or mock it out like crazy.
[18:51] <lazyPower> bdx i have a few concerns of mixing state in a library, as that seems like a layer should be doing that
[18:52] <bdx> entirely, I was wondering about that too
[18:52] <lazyPower> i suppose if its properly namespaced, theres no harm in it, but in the event that webapp.certificate.available ever is set in another layer... its going to cause unintended side effects
[18:52] <lazyPower> i think if it just performs the system level operation, and is used like a helper
[18:52] <bdx> totally
[18:53] <lazyPower> and all state is set outside of that utility library, its good as is, just needs some uniform docstrings and unit tests
[19:12] <bdx> lazyPower: https://github.com/jamesbeedy/layer-tls/blob/port_k8s_to_tls_lib/lib/tlslib.py
[19:13] <lazyPower> bdx i like where this is headed
[19:13] <lazyPower> +1 to your docstrings
[19:13] <bdx> thx
[19:14] <bdx> lazyPower: so looking into unit_tests, I want to start with the unit_test template for a charm modified for this layer
[19:14] <bdx> lazyPower: https://github.com/jamesbeedy/layer-tls/blob/port_k8s_to_tls_lib/unit_tests/test_actions.py
[19:14] <bdx> is this ok/recommended in a layer?
[19:15] <lazyPower> bdx thats fine, i've also adopted a py.test pattern here - https://github.com/juju-solutions/charms.docker/blob/master/tests/test_docker.py
[19:16] <lazyPower> but i also made this a proper python package that is nested in charms.d
[19:16] <lazyPower> charm.*
[19:16] <lazyPower> s/m./ms./  # epic typing fail of the week achieved
[19:17] <bdx> wow, really cool
[19:17] <lazyPower> bdx just basic python unit tests
[19:17] <lazyPower> i try to keep my code as concise as possible so i'm only done one, and at most two mocks at a time while testing the code
[19:17] <lazyPower> stacks of mocks get messy, and i dont always trust that i'm testing what i think i'm testing
[19:23] <bdx> lazyPower: I feel like I need the keys to exist to be able to test the functions in lib .... should I create optional input params to those functions for source_directory?
[19:23] <lazyPower> you can make it a test fixture
[19:23] <lazyPower> be aware that unitdata.kv() will create a db in the directory that is running the tests
[19:23] <lazyPower> and need to clean itself up
[19:25] <bdx> lazyPower: so I could essentially create a fixture for layer-tls, or just for each of the functions?
[19:27] <lazyPower> just for that test file
[19:27] <lazyPower> test fixtures aid in ssetting up things like controlled files on disk so you can create/remove a database in between tests, or only at start/end of test run
[19:27] <lazyPower> bdx https://pytest.org/latest/fixture.html
[19:39] <bdx> wow, really cool
[19:50] <lazyPower> bdx: sorry split brain. i re-read the scroll back and yeah - i would make some optional input parameters, and also template a couple of throw away certs to load in as fixture data
[19:51] <lazyPower> that way you're not married to having the amenities provided by the layer, you're only dealing with the end certificates w/ examples to test with in that lib. that will keep the sep. of concerns to a minimal.
[19:58] <bdx> lazyPower: ok, what about things like JUJU_UNIT_NAME ?
[19:58] <bdx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/14498348/
[19:59] <bdx> lazyPower: should I just set the env vars that it needs in the tests?
[19:59] <lazyPower> those are environment variables when they are read in, so now we're heading into mocking out os.environ
[19:59] <lazyPower> or setting those in the fixture
[19:59] <bdx> gotcha
[20:09] <aisrael> lazyPower: "Authors can use this hook to take action if their protocols for
[20:09] <aisrael> leadership, consensus, raft, or quorum require one unit to assert leadership." <-- should raft be draft?
[20:10] <lazyPower> negative. Raft is a consensus algorithm
[20:10] <lazyPower> aisrael ^
[20:10] <aisrael> lazyPower: ack, thanks!
[20:10] <aisrael> lazyPower: This a good link? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raft_(computer_science)
[20:11] <lazyPower> aisrael indeed
[20:13] <aisrael> Wow
[20:13] <aisrael> Wrong window ^_^
[20:15] <lazyPower> aisrael mind = blown? :)
[20:15] <aisrael> pwoooosh
[20:39] <icey> https://gist.github.com/ChrisMacNaughton/f8a6e9b32b8d9bccfbe5 is replacing newlines in the output file with nothing and I can't figure out why; if I print privkey to stdout, it has newlines correctly but the written file has none, I've tried splitting on \n and iterating on lines, I've tried leaving the base64decode result as bytes and opening the file as binary
[20:40] <hatch> has there been any discussion around adding 'required' fields to a charm configuration?
[20:49] <aisrael> jrwren: Hey, is this ready for re-review? https://code.launchpad.net/~evarlast/charms/trusty/apache2/trunk/+merge/278220
[20:50] <jrwren> aisrael: yes, iirc
[20:50] <jrwren> aisrael: or no.
[20:51] <jrwren> aisrael: if the tests pass, then yes. otherwise, no.  Sorry, I lost track of that one.
[20:52] <bdx> lazyPower: https://github.com/jamesbeedy/layer-tls/blob/port_k8s_to_tls_lib/unit_tests/test_actions.py
[20:52] <bdx> lazyPower: any pointers from here?
[20:53] <bdx> lazyPower: https://github.com/jamesbeedy/layer-tls/blob/port_k8s_to_tls_lib/lib/tlslib.py
[20:54] <aisrael> jrwren: ack. I'll re-test and bump the bug if it needs attention
[20:54] <jrwren> aisrael: thanks.
[20:54] <lazyPower> bdx close, i dont see any assertions
[20:55] <bdx> ahh entirely..... what should I assert though? just '0' ?
[20:55] <bdx> oooh
[20:55] <bdx> I should assert that the certs are in the correct places after the functions are ran/tested
[20:56] <lazyPower> that or just verify the write operation was called
[20:56] <lazyPower> we dont have to test python, we should test that we're using python correctly though
[20:59] <icey> lazyPower: ever use base64 to pass blobs of data into charm configs that you end up writing out to a file?
[20:59] <lazyPower> i have
[20:59] <icey> a layer I'm trying to use does that but it doesn't work correctly, (stripping newlines?!)
[20:59] <lazyPower> uhh
[20:59] <lazyPower> what?
[21:00] <icey> want to see the code?
[21:00] <lazyPower> what layer?
[21:00] <lazyPower> yeah
[21:00] <icey> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/juju-client
[21:00] <icey> and the layer is the juju-client one
[21:00] <icey> :-P
[21:00] <lazyPower> icey i'm in standup room atm
[21:00] <icey> doing standup or hanging out?
[21:00] <lazyPower> it might still happen ;)
[21:01] <lazyPower> not sure yet, we have 5 minutes for it to go either way
[21:01] <icey> hahaha
[21:01] <icey> this shouldn't take 5 :)
[21:01] <icey> but I can wait too :-P
[21:01] <icey> let me know
[21:14] <bdx> lazyPower: now? https://github.com/jamesbeedy/layer-tls/blob/port_k8s_to_tls_lib/unit_tests/test_actions.py
[21:47] <icey> lazyPower: maybe we can look at it in the AM if I can't figure it out by then :)
[21:47] <lazyPower> icey Sounds like a plan
[21:47] <lazyPower> i need ot EOD soon
[21:48] <lazyPower> bdx Hit me with a PR in the morning and i'll review
[21:48] <icey> me too :) started tearing down my aws env and realized we had an outstanding maybe today :)
[21:48] <lazyPower> haha, right on icey  thanks for circling back
[21:48] <icey> course lazyPower, will ping you tomorrow if I haven't cracked it by then :)
[22:04] <beisner> coreycb, first of many mitaka amulet test enablement MPs, ready for review/landing if ya will:  https://code.launchpad.net/~1chb1n/charms/trusty/cinder/next-amulet-mitaka-1601/+merge/282519
[22:04] <coreycb> beisner, ok
[22:16] <lazyPower> beisner: how did that ppc64 patch go?
[22:17] <lazyPower> from sfeole
[22:31] <beisner> lazyPower, thx for directing us to that.  gave feedback on the MP re: targeting at a different charm branch.  /me --> EODs
[22:34] <ennoble> could someone explain to me how the runcmd file that is handed to cloud-init is created by juju?
[23:24] <bdx> Is there a way to direct `charm generate` to grab layers from charms/layers if they exist instead of from there repos?
[23:25] <bdx> whoops ... my bad, looks like it already does :-)
[23:30] <bdx> I can spell


[00:53] <djanatyn> Hello :)
[00:56] <djanatyn> I've been using xubuntu for a while, but I've been encountering a lot of errors.
[00:57] <djanatyn> I installed it on my PowerPC, which is working fine, and I wanted to remove it from my XP box.
[00:57] <djanatyn> I have the live cd for ubuntu ready, and I think I just need to delete the partition.
[00:57] <djanatyn> However, will deleting my xubuntu partition completely uninstall GRUB?
[01:44] <hermitcrabred> Hi again...
[01:45] <hermitcrabred> I just downloaded an iso image file how can I check the md5sum....
[02:06] <hermitcrabred> ...does anyone knows how to check md5sum with Xubuntu???
[02:17] <jiohdi3> my GIMP just stopped working... any ideas?
[02:20] <Compintuit> reinstall, then try deleting profile files.
[02:21] <pteague> is there already a dns cache of some sort installed on *buntu ?
[02:21] <pteague> or moving profile files
[02:22] <jiohdi3> I did reinstall... which profile files?
[02:23] <pteague> ~/.gimp-*/
[02:25] <jiohdi3> what does ~/.gimp-*/
[02:25] <jiohdi3> do?
[02:26] <jiohdi3> I dont see anything called profile in that directory
[02:29] <jiohdi3> I typed gimp and it installed version 2.2 which is working...
[02:40] <Compintuit> then your problems are solved
[02:58] <Iphox> i need help installin aircrack 1.0 final thru terminal :l since on repositories there is an older version ne1 can help??!?!?!?!
[03:01] <Iphox> ???????????????????????????
[05:04] <_Trinity_> hi all
[05:04] <_Trinity_> is there a xubuntu powerpc irc channel?
[05:05] <Techie> just ask in here
[05:06] <Techie> i would help you normally, but im about to go out
[05:06] <Techie> anyway, best of luck and i hope you solve whatever issue you are having
[05:07] <j1mc> _Trinity_: i think there's just a generic #ubuntu-ppc channel
[05:08] <j1mc> it looks like you found it. :)
[05:08] <_Trinity_> the xubuntu-powerpc CD desn't quute boot my my iMac DV. It shuts down. The Ubuntu-powerpc cd does the same.
[05:08] <j1mc> :/
[05:08] <j1mc> what version are you running?
[05:08] <_Trinity_> thanks, got that channel already. Just checkng
[05:09] <_Trinity_> there a prob with video support for that card too.
[05:09] <_Trinity_> ATI Rage 128
[05:14] <majuk> Can anyone give me an idea why LVM says I have 300gigs free yet 0 extents free? http://dpaste.com/92138/
[05:21] <j1mc> _Trinity_: unfortunately, i'm not really an expert with PPC issues. best of luck to you, though.
[05:31] <_Trinity_> Well, I upgraded from an earlier release. Can I even report it as a bug considering that official support was dropped.
[05:38] <j1mc> _Trinity_: you can report it as a bug.  The people who still work on the PPC port will appreciate the information.  You may wish to acknowledge that you know the PPC builds only receive community support now, but... I don't think it will hurt to report a bug.
[05:39] <_Trinity_> thanks
[06:29] <Techie> _Trinity_ - you still around?>
[06:29] <_Trinity_> for a bit, why?
[06:30] <Techie> did you say you were running an ATI rage 128
[06:30] <_Trinity_> yep
[06:30] <_Trinity_> you running that too?
[06:30] <Techie> ever come across a problem where the screen blurs and a greenish fog spreads across your screen?
[06:31] <_Trinity_> not at all
[06:31] <Techie> i got a PowerBook G4 laptop that i currently have OS X 10.4.11 Server installed on
[06:31] <Techie> if i could figure out that bug then i would be running debian on it
[06:31] <_Trinity_> mine starts to vibrate and move around the screen, though
[06:32] <Techie> better than no display though
[06:32] <_Trinity_> strange. I assume it the car because with screens today it's either working or not working --as best as I know
[06:34] <_Trinity_> have you thrown in a live-cd just to see if the problem cops up while running say ubuntu off of the CD?
[06:34] <Techie> umm
[06:34] <Techie> no, i use alternative installs as live cd's dont seem to work
[06:34] <Techie> however
[06:34] <Techie> the problem did start appearing in Xubuntu 6.10 i think
[06:35] <_Trinity_> get a hoary or warty CD, they worked
[06:35] <Techie> used to have 6.04 on it ages ago
[06:35] <_Trinity_> oh
[06:35] <_Trinity_> and it shows up on OS X, too?
[06:36] <Techie> no, oddly OS X is perfectly fine
[06:36] <_Trinity_> so maybe it isn't hardware related
[06:38] <_Trinity_> the Rage 128 cards seem to lack a lot of support with ubuntu
[06:38] <_Trinity_> I had better luck with Debian
[06:38] <_Trinity_> years ago
[06:39] <Techie> yeah, although lenny gives the same bug
[06:39] <_Trinity_> although I had other problems
[06:39] <_Trinity_> I'm running jaunty on my iMac DV
[06:39] <_Trinity_> but I can't get the X r128 or ati drivers to work
[06:40] <Techie> hehe
[06:40] <Techie> ati is a bitch
[06:40] <_Trinity_> so I'm running on some generic driver that gives me 26 FPS if I'm lucky
[06:40] <Techie> i have a radeon 9600 in this pc
[06:41] <Techie> needless to say, i dont run linux on this box
[06:41] <_Trinity_> feels incredibly slow so much that I'm pondering using console programs almost exclusively
[06:41] <Techie> CLI apps are fun
[06:42] <_Trinity_> at least until this X problem gets sorted.I got a report written up. I just have to submit it
[06:42] <Techie> as a server tech im extremely used to them
[06:42] <_Trinity_> lol
[06:43] <_Trinity_> I once spent a week without X, when I first installed debian with a server style install. The deault X server was brken
[06:43] <Techie> ... i wish i could netboot my powerbook
[06:43] <_Trinity_> so I had to install danzer's compiled binaries
[06:43] <_Trinity_> that's who Ubuntu needs working on their ATI support
[06:43] <Techie> yeah
[06:44] <Techie> just thinking if you do decide to go CLI then good on ya
[06:44] <Techie> most people find it extremely daunting, but its a great learning experience
[06:46] <Techie> you much of a mac person? or just happen to have some mac hardware in your possession?
[06:48] <_Trinity_> I was never really part of the Mac cult. I just started buyging them beacuse a one time tehy made better hardware, or so I thought due to my aweful experience
[06:48] <_Trinity_> with PC hardware
[06:48] <Techie> lol
[06:48] <Techie> most people think that
[06:48] <_Trinity_> now, not so much. I got a MacBook Pro sitting with a bad motherboard for the 2nd time
[06:48] <Techie> but truly, its the same hardware
[06:49] <Techie> just macs use set parts that work well together and work perfectly in OS X
[06:49] <_Trinity_> yes and no
[06:49] <_Trinity_> they used to use IBMs processors obviously
[06:50] <Techie> yep
[06:50] <_Trinity_> they used to use different harddrive technology
[06:50] <_Trinity_> from whta I remember
[06:50] <Techie> how so?
[06:50] <_Trinity_> and now their PCs, don't use BIOS
[06:50] <Techie> as far as i know they never used BIOS's
[06:51] <Techie> it was all just set bootloader code
[06:52] <_Trinity_> at some point buying a mac was like buying a good PC, I'll give you that. Now, I thnk they've become a victim of their own succes. Running things out of the design rooms into production before propper testing
[06:52] <Techie> yeah, i agree with that
[06:53] <_Trinity_> the tech shop is charging me half the price of the macBook Pro just to replace the motherboard
[06:54] <_Trinity_> it's the intel Yonah based one
[06:54] <_Trinity_> they had heat proeblems and fans that took off like race cars. Apple issued a recall and I had my motherboard replcaed for free the first time.
[06:57] <_Trinity_> I argued that it shuold be covered as it's obvious that the replacement board is faulty too. Problem is that it's no longer under warranty and they're not claiming responsibility.  Get this, compiling code with MacPorts.  MacBook Pro is for developers. Yeah right! Lol!
[06:59] <_Trinity_> off topic
[06:59] <Techie> im gonna go AFK im testing NX on _Pete_'s box
[07:01] <_Trinity_> enjoy
[07:07] <user51> i have created icon theme using this naming guideline http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/latest/ar01s04.html but icon theme is not working can any specify me any guide for "Standard icon names for Xfce ??
[12:36] <KittyKatt> [AmsG] Getting off for the night/morning. I'll be on later.
[13:24] <Pres-Gas> Good morning, all.
[13:29] <_Pete_> afternoon
[14:21] <dawidjj> hi. I need Xubuntu 9.04 netinstall version, and I can't find it... Could sb help me?
[14:21] <dawidjj> Or meayby there no such a think??
[14:55] <TheSheep> !minicd
[16:33] <Uuu> Can you tell me what is the username and password for Xubuntu LiveCD (Karmic Koala)?
[16:34] <cody-somerville> username is ubuntu and password should be blank
[16:34] <cody-somerville> as in there is no password
[16:34] <cody-somerville> just hit enter
[16:35] <Uuu> Thank you! :)
[16:43] <Uuu> 104 MB of RAM used on virt. machine, 76 free (Live CD) is not bad...
[16:52] <SiDi> Uuu: mine uses 1 to 2 giga all time :D
[16:55] <Uuu> I'm going to upgrade to Xubuntu Karmic in some time and I wonder if I should install default desktop or choose only things I need...
[17:09] <evilbug> Uuu: install default and then remove whatever you don't need.
[17:31] <majuk> Can anyone give me an idea why LVM says I have 300gigs free yet 0 extents free? http://dpaste.com/92138/
[22:04] <t2_> hi all,  I just installed xubuntu 9.04 fresh install.    I have a FAT32 partition on my system that I want to automount to /share ...  I didn't set this option during install.  is there a way to do it now ?    am I mean to use fstab or the thunar-volman somehow ?
[22:07] <jarnos> t2_: you could use fstab
[22:18] <redDEADresolve> i need a bit of help getting the places panel applet to open my trash. When clicking on it, it brings up a window and states:  This LInk needs to be opened with an application. Send to: I know it thunar but how do i find the link to point it too


[00:03] <ion> It handles multiple programs wanting to interact with the user simultaneously.
[02:37] <markl_> ion: i see, hopefully i can dpkg -r it
[02:43] <ion> Sure, if you’re willing to remove mountall along with it, and upstart along with mountall. Assuming you’re running Ubuntu.
[03:00] <markl_> i don't need mountall but apparently i do need upstart
[03:00] <markl_> i need to boot up without a console
[03:05] <markl_> this is a weird dependency, why can't i use upstart without plymouth and mountall?
[03:06] <markl_> this is definitely a house of cards, hmm
[03:07] <Keybuk> yes, boot is a great big house of cards
[03:07] <Keybuk> so careful with those matches!
[03:13] <markl_> heh
[03:14] <markl_> i'll just give the tablecloth a yank
[03:14] <markl_> which is pretty much a good description of openvz's boot process i guess :)
[03:17] <markl_> does initctl emit ever time out if there's no response?
[03:19] <markl_> i at least got it to a 0 runlevel instead of unknown, i think i'm almost there
[03:24] <Keybuk> no response?
[03:24] <Keybuk> you'll always get a response from init
[03:24] <Keybuk> (unless init dies, in which case the kernel will PANIC :p)
[03:36] <Keybuk> of course
[03:36] <Keybuk> if the task started by your event doesn't complete
[03:37] <Keybuk> that response may come as a result of the heat death of the universe
[03:37] <Keybuk> but that's a response too
[03:37] <Keybuk> albeit a final one
[03:54] <markl_> heh
[04:06] <markl_> ah, it was the console output statement
[04:06]  * markl_ smacks forehead
[04:07] <markl_> so are these things like getty supposed to be easy to disable like it was with inittab?
[04:08] <markl_> or should i make my own upstart package?  that wouldn't be too painful
[04:10] <ion> Comment out the “start on...” line.
[11:21] <Will|> lo
[20:59] <archayl> hello
[21:00] <archayl> how am i supposed to make a script to startup my vbox vm?
[21:01] <archayl> and save the state, then close it on shutdown?
[21:31] <archayl> nvm
[21:31] <archayl> tq
[21:54] <Will|> is it possible to have a script run when upstart witnesses an abnormal exit?
[21:54] <Will|> or when a respawn-limit is hit


[14:00] <aseering> hi all.  I'm having trouble building the "thunderbird-trunk" source package
[14:00] <aseering> looks like a bug in debian/patches/revert-removal-of-native-notifications.patch
[14:00] <aseering> wondering if this is a known issue?
[14:01] <aseering> (I tried sending mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>per https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ubuntu/ppa , but it bounced)
[14:08] <aseering> ah -- https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily suggests e-mailing<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:08] <aseering> will see if that goes through
[14:11] <aseering> nope, it just took longer to bounce
[14:46] <aseering> oh well.  Updated version of the patch is at <http://pastebin.com/ssdDTqrA>