[00:00] <Guest2396> cheri, cheri lady
[00:00] <Guest2396> going through a motion
[00:02] <Guest2396> where is config file for touchpad?
[00:07] <_xubuntu_> come on guys
[00:08] <_xubuntu_> we need one tweak for touch pad
[00:08] <_xubuntu_> where is this config
[00:11] <_xubuntu_> where is in xfce saved colors for main menu and menu in apps?
[00:26] <nukke> if i download beta2 of 13.04, will it automatically update to the final version of 13.04 once it's released or would i need to reinstall?
[00:27] <bazhang> !final | nukke
[00:27] <nukke> wonderful. thanks bazhang
[01:11] <OmarA> Hi can someone help me install Java 1.7.0_170 for Xubuntu 12.04?
[01:12] <Unit193> !java
[01:13] <Unit193> OpenJDK is much easier, and normally works just fine (there are a few cases where it doesn't.)
[01:15] <itai> hi, i installed abiword and now xubuntu opens all docs with abiword, i want libreoffice to be the default but  when i click on the open with menu in thunar(?) i cant locate libreoffice, where is it ?
[01:16] <SonikkuAmerica> Select "Open With Other Application" and select "LibreOffice Writer"
[01:17] <itai> SonikkuAmerica, thanks, but i dont have that option,there is only abiword and 'browse'
[01:17] <SonikkuAmerica> itai: When you right-click...
[01:17] <itai> i cant locate its directory
[01:18] <SonikkuAmerica> It's in /usr/bin/... somewhere
[01:18] <itai> SonikkuAmerica, usr/bin ok, thanks
[01:20] <itai> /usr/bin it is! thanks you
[02:14] <xubuntu537> O.K. guys, I just signed up for Ubuntu One to use 5 GB of free space for pics or whatever.
[02:14] <xubuntu537> So, how do I put pics in this space? I don't get it. Sorry
[02:16] <SonikkuAmerica> xubuntu537: You can either upload them to your Ubuntu One folder, or sync an existing folder with Ubuntu One.
[02:16] <xubuntu537> so how do I get an Ubuntu One folder?
[02:17] <SonikkuAmerica> You can either open up your Ubuntu One client or go to one.ubuntu.com and sign in.
[02:18] <xubuntu537> oh, o.k. I'll try that  thanks
[02:18] <SonikkuAmerica> You're welcome.
[02:24] <_xubuntu_> hi
[02:25] <xubuntu461> o.k. I still don't get Ubuntu One. Is it a place where I can store pics and docs online? It says I can have 5 GB free storage there, but I don't get how it works.
[02:26] <SonikkuAmerica> xubuntu461: It's cloud storage.
[02:26] <SonikkuAmerica> !cloud
[02:26] <SonikkuAmerica> Well, not that cloud...
[02:26] <xubuntu461> so, I get that cloud storage just means it's online storage, right?
[02:27] <SonikkuAmerica> xubuntu461: Through a special server, yes.
[02:28] <xubuntu461> I'm so sorry. Please explain. I'm kinda new at all this.
[02:29] <xubuntu461> So, in windows, I store pics at Shutterfly and Flicr and store docs at Google docs. Is this anything like that/
[02:30] <SonikkuAmerica> Yes, Ubuntu One is much like Google Drive more than any of the other services you mentioned.
[02:30] <SonikkuAmerica> A better comparison would be Dropbox.
[02:31] <xubuntu461> So, I am signed in and all, but don't know how to work Ubuntu One. It doesn't seem to explain it very good.
[02:31] <SonikkuAmerica> Are you using the Web site or the client?
[02:31] <nukke> cloud storage is basically an online backup for you files
[02:31] <xubuntu461> the website
[02:32] <xubuntu461> what do you mean, "the client"?
[02:32] <SonikkuAmerica> You can get a client for Windows, Mac, Ubuntu, iOS and Android.
[02:33] <nukke> the client is the application you downloaded and installed on your personal pc
[02:33] <xubuntu461> what does "client" mean? I am using xubuntu.
[02:33] <nukke> so if you open up Ubuntu Software Center and download the Ubuntu One client, you can do it directly form your PC without having to use the website
[02:33] <nukke> "client" means application used by the user, more or less
[02:34] <xubuntu461> Does that mean I am storing things online still from the "client"?
[02:34] <SonikkuAmerica> Yes.
[02:34] <nukke> it's a "native application" meaning that it's on your pc instead of something like a server-side application where you use an application that's on a server (or another computer over the internet)
[02:34] <nukke> yes. "cloud" means you're backing up your files online, on ubuntu's servers
[02:34] <nukke> instead of your personal, physical hard drive
[02:35] <SonikkuAmerica> However, you manipulate data that exists in the server, hence the distinction of "client" from "application."
[02:35] <nukke> the advantage it offers is that you can access these backed-up files from any computer that can access either the website or that can install the "cleint"
[02:37] <xubuntu461> O.K. you guys are over my head. I came from using windows and am so new with LInux, Xubuntu, so....  What if i load up some pics from my camera to my computer. I want to put those in the "cloud", Ubuntu One. How do I do that, through the "client" that I download from Ubuntu Software?
[02:38] <nukke> did you ever use a program called Dropbox?
[02:38] <xubuntu461> no,,, sorry
[02:38] <nukke> ah, ok, just checking
[02:38] <Cheri703> the U1 client tells the cloud to look at and interact with a specific folder on your computer
[02:38] <Cheri703> when you put things in that folder, they sync automatically to the cloud
[02:38] <Cheri703> if you change things, the changes sync
[02:39] <Cheri703> if you delete something, it deletes from the cloud
[02:39] <Cheri703> if you install the client on another computer, you can choose to have both computers synced to the server, so if you change something on computer 1, it will change on the cloud server and computer 2
[02:39] <Cheri703> does that help?
[02:39] <nukke> you can also update your files that are in the "cloud" using the website
[02:40] <nukke> update or access
[02:40] <Cheri703> true, but the most painless way is to just interact with that folder on your computer, the client just runs in the background
[02:40] <_xubuntu_> where can  find additional items for panel?
[02:40] <_xubuntu_> like weather
[02:40] <xubuntu461> o.k., sooooo I go to Ubuntu Software and download Ubuntu One client, and then I sink a folder, such as "Pictures" with it, and then I can put pics online to Ubuntu One, right?
[02:41] <nukke> yes xubuntu461
[02:41] <Cheri703> ok I have to go, I just wanted to pop in and help explain that. they should be able to take you from there. :) good luck
[02:41] <SonikkuAmerica> xubuntu461: Unless you want to float one. :) Yeah, that's the idea.
[02:41] <xubuntu461> Thanks!!!!!
[02:41] <nukke> _xubuntu_, http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/add-new-items
[02:42] <SonikkuAmerica> nukke: I don't think that's an exact match.
[02:42] <SonikkuAmerica> _xubuntu_: Try http://goodies.xfce.org/
[02:42] <nukke> you are right, thanks
[02:43] <SonikkuAmerica> _xubuntu_: nukke's suggestion is good for adding new items, however.
[02:43] <_xubuntu_> nukke, SonikkuAmerica thans for your replies
[02:43] <xubuntu461> O.K. can Xubuntu handle downloading Ubuntu One Client?
[02:43] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah, I just did it.
[02:44] <nukke> yes, xubuntu461
[02:44] <SonikkuAmerica> (12.10 32-bit if you're wondering.)
[02:44] <_xubuntu_> SonikkuAmerica but i mean others, which are not in this list
[02:44] <nukke> Xubuntu can handle any application/program that works on Ubuntu
[02:44] <xubuntu461> oh thanks!
[02:44] <nukke> actually, any program that you find in the Ubuntu Software Center
[02:45] <xubuntu461> ohh!
[02:45] <SonikkuAmerica> nukke: Is there still that one plugin that lets you put GNOME indicators on the XFCE panel or did that die?
[02:45] <nukke> i don't think they're supporting it anymore
[02:45] <SonikkuAmerica> k
[02:46] <xubuntu461> o.k. I'm going to try downloading Ubuntu One Client from software,,, thanks you all!
[02:46] <nukke> good luck. if you have any more questions make sure to ask here
[02:47] <SonikkuAmerica> I wonder how lightweight XFCE will be when they finally have to port themselves to GTK+ 3.
[02:47] <xubuntu461> Oh,,, one more,, I have Xubuntu 12.04 not 12.10 yet. Will that still work with the software download?
[02:47] <SonikkuAmerica> _xubuntu_: You might try Googling... there are PPAs...
[02:47] <_xubuntu_> ok
[02:48] <SonikkuAmerica> xubuntu461: Yes. (12.10 has newer versions of the programs. NOTE: The messaging menu is GONE in 12.10)
[02:48] <nukke> xubuntu461, it depends on the program
[02:48] <SonikkuAmerica> ^
[02:49] <nukke> programs on Linux have these things called "dependencies". similar to how sometimes you had to install certain Microsoft Visual C++ updates when installing programs in Windows, Linux programs sometimes require certain "dependencies"
[02:49] <xubuntu461> What do you mean, "it depends on the program"? how about ubuntu one?
[02:49] <nukke> Ubuntu One will work perfectly with 12.04
[02:49] <xubuntu461> O.K.! Thanks     cheerio now
[02:49] <nukke> some other programs rely on "dependencies" (or libraries, however you may call them) that have been updated recently
[02:50] <nukke> 12.04 has certain "outdated" (or "stable") versions that *might* cause problems with certain progrmas
[02:51] <xubuntu461> Oh, so I'm still here. O.k.   uhhh What does that mean, nukke?
[02:53] <nukke> so let's say that I programmed Notepad using a library that allows me to use a touch screen to manipulate certain things in the program. if you tried to install my version of Notepad in your computer, and you didn't have these libraries that allowed such manipulation, it would cause problems
[02:53] <xubuntu461> Should I not try working with Ubuntu One for Xubuntu 12.04?
[02:53] <nukke> no, Ubuntu One _does_ work in 12.04
[02:53] <nukke> do not worry about it
[02:53] <xubuntu461> o.k. nukke  thank you
[02:54] <nukke> in fact, if a certain program will cause problems on your version, it will say so by giving a warning or outright graying out the install button on the Software Center
[02:54] <SonikkuAmerica> He's gone.
[02:54] <nukke> aww
[02:55] <SonikkuAmerica> He's gone too... :(
[02:55] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh well...
[02:59] <xubuntu616> O.K. I want to use Ubuntu One to store pics for free online. Do I go into Ubuntu Software and download the Ubuntu One thingy? Is that what I do to use the "client" or hook up my pic folder online to store photos?
[03:00] <xubuntu616> I mean, do i download "ubuntu one" to make my computer hook up to my online account at Ubuntu One?
[03:01] <SonikkuAmerica> You don't have to, but if you have the client and run it, it can synchronize without the need to open up the Web site.
[03:01] <SonikkuAmerica> And yes, it is in the Software Center (or Centre, if you're not American)
[03:02] <xubuntu616> I just want to put pics online to my account at ubuntu one that says i have 5 gb of space free to use.
[03:05] <xubuntu616> So, if I download ubuntu one from ubuntu software, it will let me put my pics from my picture folder into it, ubuntu one?
[03:05] <SonikkuAmerica> Without the client: Go to one.ubuntu.com, click the "Files" tab, and click "Upload file." You'll be greeted with a dialog that lets you specify what you want to upload.
[03:05] <SonikkuAmerica> And yes.
[03:05] <xubuntu616> Ohhhhh that makes sence now. o.K. I like that better. thank you
[03:06] <SonikkuAmerica> You're welcome. Enjoy Xubuntu!
[03:06] <xubuntu616> I  will and do enjoy Xubuntu! I'm new to it. I fixed an old not working computer with Xubuntu and am so excited with it!!
[03:07] <SonikkuAmerica> I could run Unity but (a) XFCE is more attractive to me and (b) Unity is headed for Qt and I like GTK+ better
[03:07] <SonikkuAmerica> (if that makes any sense)
[03:19] <xubuntu233> o.k. guys, I have weather on my upper panel and on Wed. where I am, I have green dots showing. What does that mean, high pollen count or something?
[03:19] <SonikkuAmerica> I believe that means the weather is loading.
[03:20] <xubuntu233> oh   I haven't seen that before.. The other days show a certain percent rain or sun but the green dots I don't know what they are.
[03:21] <xubuntu233> and sonikkuamerica, i was successful using ubuntu one uploading one of my pictures through 'files'.  thanks for that info.
[03:23] <SonikkuAmerica> (You're welcome.) Does anything else appear?
[03:24] <xubuntu233> no, Wednesday appears like the others with sun or rain, I forget and temp, but the green spackles of dots  hummm
[03:25] <SonikkuAmerica> Couldn't tell ya.
[03:25] <SonikkuAmerica> Maybe it's an invasion of little green men. *shrugs*
[03:26] <xubuntu233> That's funny... green   hummm   ya   we'll have to google it I guess
[04:23] <_xubuntu_> hey
[04:24] <_xubuntu_> is it possible to prevent icons arrangement
[04:24] <_xubuntu_> on the desktop
[04:24] <_xubuntu_> my icons arranged to grid
[04:24] <_xubuntu_> like in windows
[04:25] <_xubuntu_> how can i prevent
[04:25] <SonikkuAmerica> As far as I can tell, you can move the icons, but not freeform.
[04:25] <SonikkuAmerica> They're stuck in that grid.
[04:25] <_xubuntu_> yes
[04:25] <_xubuntu_> yes
[04:26] <_xubuntu_> is it possible to make grid smaller
[04:27] <SonikkuAmerica> If you can set your screen res smaller, yes... but the icons also get smaller.
[04:27] <SonikkuAmerica> Or larger anyway
[04:27] <_xubuntu_> i can't
[04:28] <_xubuntu_> only standart res here
[04:28] <SonikkuAmerica> Not that I know if then.
[04:28] <SonikkuAmerica> s/if/of
[04:30] <dreki> Can anyone tell me what tomcat6 is? using htop i can see some kind of java related processes under that name.
[04:32] <dreki> ok so its some kind of web server application? but i dont know why its on my computer
[05:07] <abi2> I just installed the 32 bit version of xubuntu yesterday I want to remove it completely so that I can install ta completely clean 64 bit version so what is the best way to remove it comletely including from the boot loader ?
[05:07] <abi2> *install a
[05:07] <abi2> *completely
[05:18] <abi2> I just installed the 32 bit version of xubuntu yesterday I want to remove it completely so that I can install a completely clean 64 bit version so what is the best way to remove it completely including from the boot loader ?
[05:29] <SamanthaD> Question: If I install the 13.04 beta now, it will roll over into the stable next week no fuss, right?
[05:40] <baizon> SamanthaD: yes
[05:42] <SamanthaD> baizon: much obliged!
[05:53] <lostxtsol> hello... i made a horrible mistake and i just need a bit of info explained to me so i can fix it. I have researched this, but ended up with more questions than answers
[05:55] <baizon> lostxtsol: and the mistake was?
[05:56] <lostxtsol> well, im pretty sure when i added automatic login i also added the line to turn guest off and i fat fingered it wrong and now lightdm fails on load during boot which means i cant get in at all
[05:57] <lostxtsol> i assume to fix it i need to live cd in and edit lightdm.conf... and i assume i need to do somethig with chmod to do that
[05:57] <lostxtsol> but thats last little bit is eluding me
[05:57] <SamanthaD> lostxtsol: You could always log in at the virtual terminal and then type 'startx' and go about fixing the problem
[05:58] <lostxtsol> if I cant the system out of the boot process... would that be via outside access?
[05:58] <baizon> lostxtsol: you dont need a livecd, use this: http://www.cebuntu.com/how-to/how-to-boot-your-ubuntu-desktop-in-terminal-mode/
[05:58] <lostxtsol> ok!
[05:59] <lostxtsol> doh, duh... gui is not the native boot method duh
[05:59] <SamanthaD> lostxtsol: have you tried ctl-alt-f1 and what have you?
[05:59] <lostxtsol> no... noobing it up here...
[06:00] <SamanthaD> lostxtsol: no worries!
[06:03] <lostxtsol> lets see if this works i just went in in nano and edited it
[06:03] <lostxtsol> the equals sign was missing
[06:04] <SamanthaD> lostxtsol: Good luck!
[06:05] <lostxtsol> hahaha! genius! you guys rock and i appreciate your time. I have some more questions, but i gotta go write this paper... mind if i come back tomorrow?
[06:05] <baizon> lostxtsol: i assume problem solved :)
[06:05] <baizon> lostxtsol: not at all
[06:05] <lostxtsol> yes booted right in!
[06:05] <lostxtsol> thank you and sorry to ask and run
[06:08] <SamanthaD> *waves bye*
[06:52] <packetfrog> :>
[08:34] <antisober552> hi guys ive managed to get xubuntu to work but now after 35 mins of the pc being on the os freezes can someone help me fix this
[08:35] <baizon> antisober552: check dmesg or the messages log for errors
[08:35] <baizon> the other thing you could do is, check your memory
[08:36] <slackthumbz> Hi, does anyone know if it's possible to have a local version of the xubuntu-desktop metapackage that I can modify slightly to remove the dependencies on the software center and oneconf? I never use either and I've noticed that oneconf is a really poor piece of bloat I'd rather not have installed.
[08:37] <antisober552> okay i will do
[08:42] <baizon> slackthumbz: well if you remove oneconf the xubuntu-desktop package will be also removed, but not your "desktop"
[08:42] <baizon> so nothing will broke if its that what you mean
[08:42] <slackthumbz> baizon: I'm aware of that, I'd just prefer to keep the metapackage for things like distribution updates
[08:42] <baizon> slackthumbz: a ok, i understand
[08:43] <slackthumbz> for the moment I've chmod a-x'd all of oneconfs binaries and killed the service process
[08:43] <baizon> slackthumbz: yes, i did the same
[08:43] <slackthumbz> but that's only really a temporary solution until the next time the package gets updated
[08:44] <baizon> slackthumbz: you can write a simple script which does it for you
[08:44] <slackthumbz> baizon: I suppose an init script would work, I can stick it in rc2.d
[08:45] <baizon> or this :)
[08:45] <slackthumbz> I'll look into it. Thanks :)
[08:46] <baizon> slackthumbz: np
[08:53] <antisober552> Where will i find these logs
[08:54] <TheSheep> antisober552: open a terminal and type 'dmesg' in it
[08:54] <antisober552> Okay
[08:54] <TheSheep> antisober552: they are also all in the files in /var/log
[09:01] <antisober552> Okay could you take a look at this please and tell me if theres any thing which will be causing the system to freeze
[09:02] <antisober552> http://Paste.ubuntu.com/5712633
[09:03] <baizon> i dont think this will give reliable information, check your log while the freeze happens
[09:03] <baizon> @antisober552
[09:04] <antisober552> Idk how i can do that as when it freezes i cant do anythink
[09:04] <baizon> antisober552: check your log after the freeze
[09:04] <antisober552> I have a faillog in /var/log
[09:04] <antisober552> Okay
[09:05] <antisober552> What log will i be looking for after 6he freeze has happend
[09:32] <xubuntu842> hi
[09:33] <xubuntu842> someone here i need help
[09:34] <knome> !someone | xubuntu842
[11:28] <antisober552> I need help my pc keeps freezing when in the os and idk how to fix this any idea
[11:29] <packetfrog> What version of xubuntu. what hardware. what setupid
[11:29] <packetfrog> setup*
[11:29] <bazhang> thats way too vague antisober552
[11:29] <packetfrog> bazhang my fren!
[11:29] <bazhang> !details | antisober552
[11:31] <antisober552> Okay my pc freezes when in the os im running xubuntu 12.04  its happens random
[11:32] <bazhang> antisober552, thats just repeating. please give us some error messages, many more details system specs, etc
[11:35] <packetfrog> It just randomly started? it started after you compiled and installed rootkit.c ?
[11:35] <packetfrog> are you using a p4 or an i7 :>
[11:36] <antisober552> Okay my system specs are 768mb ram a p4 and a ati graphic card i cant remember which one tho
[11:36] <packetfrog> :>
[11:36] <antisober552> I dont get any warning before it happens
[11:36] <packetfrog> Right after you bootup. after you used it for a while?
[11:36] <bazhang> the ram and the cpu would be leading indicators; what exact card and what drivers
[11:37] <baizon> i think RAM is broken
[11:37] <baizon> please make a memtest
[11:37] <bazhang> lspci   -------> paste.ubuntu.com antisober552
[11:38] <antisober552> Umm it freeze at ramdom i could be using it for 2 hour and nothing then it would happen then it could happen about 20 min after boot up
[11:38] <antisober552> Okay
[11:38] <antisober552> How would i do that
[11:38] <bazhang> open a browser
[11:39] <baizon> im pretty sure its your ram
[11:39] <bazhang> go to paste.ubuntu.com
[11:39] <antisober552> Okay
[11:39] <antisober552> Im at paste.ubuntu.com
[11:40] <bazhang> type lspci in the terminal, and copy/paste that to the paste site. save and give us the url
[11:40] <antisober552> Okay
[11:41] <antisober552> Paste.ubuntu.com/5712907/
[11:42] <antisober552> My card is a readon 9200 graphic card
[11:42] <bazhang> ATI RV280 [Radeon 9200]
[11:42] <bazhang> how old is this machine
[11:43] <antisober552> It was made back in 2004
[11:43] <packetfrog> very old
[11:43] <packetfrog> :>
[11:43] <antisober552> Yes
[11:43] <packetfrog> I have two of them sitting in here :/
[11:43] <bazhang> I would try what baizon suggested, the memtest
[11:43] <antisober552> But has this machine has done me well
[11:44] <antisober552> Okay how would i do that
[11:44] <packetfrog> press shift key during boot
[11:44] <packetfrog> after BIOS screen
[11:44] <antisober552> Okay
[11:44] <packetfrog> should load grub menu
[11:44] <packetfrog> select memtest
[11:44] <packetfrog> let it runnnnnnnnn
[11:45] <baizon> packetfrog / antisober552: or this http://askubuntu.com/questions/187573/memtest-with-ubuntu-12-04-live-cd
[11:45] <packetfrog> or that
[11:45] <packetfrog> should be in the grub menu though
[11:46] <antisober552> Memory test 86+ ot memtest86+vserial console
[11:47] <antisober552> Which one
[11:48] <baizon> antisober552: the link i just posted
[11:48] <baizon> antisober552: or this... http://www.memtest.org/
[11:48] <antisober552> Im doing test now
[11:49] <baizon> it needs to go for at least 1 hour
[11:50] <baizon> if you get some red bars its the memory
[11:50] <antisober552> I was gunna it looks like its gunna take some time
[11:50] <antisober552> Passed 13% so far
[11:51] <baizon> antisober552: this test can go on for a few hours ;)
[11:51] <baizon> ... or not. How much memory do you have?
[11:52] <antisober552> 768m
[11:52] <baizon> then it shouldnt take so long :)
[11:52] <antisober552> Its on 27% now
[12:04] <antisober552> 10 % to go
[12:04]  * packetfrog claps
[12:08] <antisober552> Okay pass complete , no errors, press esc to exit
[12:10] <antisober552> Its doing the test again
[12:11] <baizon> antisober552: 30 min to go :>
[12:12] <antisober552> ?
[12:12] <packetfrog> it takes a long time
[12:12] <packetfrog> it keeps going
[12:12] <packetfrog> and going
[12:12] <packetfrog> memtest = energizer bunny clone
[12:13] <antisober552> But its running the test over and over
[12:14] <packetfrog> so it keeps going and going?
[12:14] <slackthumbz> Is anyone running the 13.04 beta?
[12:14] <bazhang> slackthumbz, #ubuntu+1 for that
[12:14] <slackthumbz> k
[12:14] <packetfrog> slackthumbz, I tried
[12:15] <packetfrog> 32bit and 64bit wont install
[12:15] <packetfrog> for me
[12:15] <packetfrog> yesterday anyhow
[12:15] <slackthumbz> I was just wondering how the xubuntu 13.04 beta was going, I refuse to use vanilla ubuntu because unity makes me rage.
[12:18] <baizon> slackthumbz: im running xubuntu 13.04
[12:18] <slackthumbz> How's the stability?
[12:18] <vneethv> @slackthumbz ; thats where u go for xubuntu.
[12:18] <baizon> slackthumbz: perfect
[12:18] <slackthumbz> nice, might set up a test vm and possibly look at running a dist-upgrade :)
[12:18] <baizon> no bugs since Beta2
[12:30] <antisober552> Test 2 pass no errors
[12:33] <antisober552> So whats next to do
[12:35] <baizon> antisober552: check your HDD, more here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/104070/what-is-the-best-way-to-check-and-repair-hard-drive-for-bad-sectors
[12:35] <antisober552> Okay ill do that
[12:37] <antisober552> I run them cmd in terminal ?
[12:37] <baizon> antisober552: yes
[12:37] <antisober552> Okay
[12:38] <antisober552> Um i have a warning
[12:39] <antisober552> If you continue you will cause servere filesystem damage
[12:40] <antisober552> Do you really want to continue ?
[12:40] <baizon> antisober552: are you running it from a livecd?
[12:40] <baizon> or your system?
[12:40] <antisober552> No system
[12:40] <baizon> run it from a livecd please
[12:41] <antisober552> Okay
[12:41] <baizon> antisober552: http://linuxpoison.blogspot.tw/2008/01/howto-check-disk-drive-for-errors-and.html
[12:56] <kerl> hello
[12:56] <packetfrog> Hiya
[12:56] <packetfrog> Welcome to #Xubuntu, I will be your guide today.
[12:56] <packetfrog> Where would you like to go first on your tour?
[12:58] <kerl> is it possible to install xubuntu with less than 1gg on hd ?
[12:58] <antisober552> Okay ive tried to run them cmds but  got command not found
[12:59] <slackthumbz> kerl: not a default install no.
[13:00] <packetfrog> kerl: Base install is 1.5GB I believe.
[13:00] <packetfrog> kerl: Try TinyCore linux.
[13:00] <packetfrog> Or PuppyLinux
[13:00]  * packetfrog is using TinyCore right now and enjoying it.
[13:01] <packetfrog> puppy is kind of cluttered for my tastes.
[13:02] <packetfrog> kerl, I think Ubuntu server Minimal might be under 1gig also if you had to have *buntu
[13:02] <lderan> kerl, have heard of debian installs being about 400mb if you are quite strict
[13:03] <packetfrog> I think Ubuntu minimal install then installing very base xfce/browser/blah might work   not sure though
[13:04] <slackthumbz> You might be able to save a bit more space by using lxde rather than xfce
[13:04] <kerl> actually I just wanted to try Linux to run a specific program which doesn't work well on my windows installation..
[13:04] <packetfrog> Use a virtualmachine!
[13:05] <packetfrog> download virtualbox on your windows installation and run linux via that
[13:05] <packetfrog> kerl, what program?
[13:05] <kerl> it's smath which runs with mono, i tried puppy and liked very much but after installing mono i didnt manage to make smath work
[13:08] <packetfrog> openoffice smath?
[13:08] <kerl> thanks all for your help, is there some windows installer for those distros to make the process from windows?
[13:09] <kerl> no, it is not an openoffice plugin, this is smath's link:
[13:09] <packetfrog> Place same release of wubi.exe with the xubuntu ISO into the same directory. Remove any Ubuntu CD/USB from the computer.
[13:10] <packetfrog> wubi = windows ubuntu installer
[13:10] <kerl> http://en.smath.info/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=1447
[13:10] <cfhowlett> kerl, and note that wubi is being discontinued ... for good reason.
[13:11] <packetfrog> rebooting your windows pc with a xubuntu usb/cd and installing is super easy    you can go with the default options and it runs you right through it.
[13:11] <antisober552> Okay it might take some time
[13:11] <kerl> thought of it but dont know how to boot from a usb ^^
[13:12] <packetfrog> When your computer starts to turn on it should say hit f2 for bios setup or f12 to change bootorder  (or some other f#)
[13:12] <aicasn-V> does (x)ubuntu have a tool that will show leaf packages? ie. packages upon which nothing depends
[13:13] <packetfrog> just hit f12 or whatever it says for changing boot order  then select the USB
[13:14] <baizon> aicasn-V: http://www.linuxscrew.com/2007/10/06/clean-up-your-ubuntu-with-deborphan/
[13:15] <aicasn-V> baizon: reading. thanks :)
[13:15] <kerl> ok thanks but first i have to decide which distro to install, it'b be better to install something with mono by default in order to run smath
[13:16] <packetfrog> kerl Ubuntu comes with mono I believe
[13:18] <packetfrog> *buntu
[13:18] <cfhowlett> packetfrog, 12.04 mono is an unknown package
[13:18] <kerl> anyway i'll consider your suggestions: xubuntu 1.5gb, Tynycore linux, ubuntu+deborphan
[13:19] <packetfrog> cfhowlett, mono-complete
[13:19] <kerl> i think i tried to install ubuntu via wubi but asked for 7gb of hd and i have 4gb left currently
[13:20] <packetfrog> desktop computer?
[13:20] <cfhowlett> kerl, 7 gigs is overkill.  I've got ubuntu studio + extras and my / root is still less than 7 gigs.
[13:21] <kerl> no, it is a laptop with vista and 1gb ram. I had in mind to install some lightweight installation into harddrive
[13:22] <cfhowlett> kerl, lubuntu or xubuntu are your best options
[13:22] <aicasn-V> baizon: nope that's not what i needed. it's useful, sure, but it doesn't show all packages upon which nothing depends.  eg. nothing depends upon firefox, thunderbird, monodevelop, etc.
[13:22] <cfhowlett> both are optimized for older/lower spec machines
[13:24] <kerl> i will check out those too, lubuntu and xubuntu, but i'm afraid they man not include mono unless ubuntu
[13:25] <kerl> unlike
[13:26] <aicasn-V> kerl: the difference between ubuntu and *ubuntu is the default desktop environment
[13:26] <aicasn-V> if ubuntu x.y comes with package abc, then xubuntu x.y will, too unless it was part of the DE
[13:27] <aicasn-V> ^ general rule
[13:27] <packetfrog> kerl TinyCore full version is a 64mb iso   and http://download.mono-project.com/sources/mono-basic/  has mono packages for it.
[13:28] <packetfrog> you could install virtualbox on windows and run it as a virtualmachine just fine
[13:28] <packetfrog> and be in at less then 200mb
[13:28] <kerl> ah ok didnt know i thought they were ubuntu versions with less stuff apart from the desktop managers
[13:29] <cfhowlett> different stuff apart from the desktop managers ...
[13:30] <kerl> ah yes you mentioned virtualbox before, do you mean running Tinycore from virtualbox?
[13:31] <packetfrog> yes
[13:31] <packetfrog> or any other distro you want
[13:33] <kerl> but the mono setups you provided are not uptodate as smath requires, maybe some of these ones work with TinyCore
[13:35] <packetfrog> <IP_ADDRESS> is available on ubuntu
[13:35] <packetfrog> 2.10.* is the newest line of mono
[13:35] <packetfrog> ...........................
[13:42] <kerl> thank you very much! i'll try the virtualbox way with Tinycore first and if it doesnt work, some ubuntu or derivative installed from usb with this application:
[13:42] <kerl> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/
[13:43] <packetfrog> I like unetbootin my self
[13:44] <kerl> then i'll try that one ^^
[14:06] <slackthumbz> hmm, I am no longer keen on xubuntu 13.04
[14:06] <slackthumbz> I've just looked at what's being added in the 12.10 - 13.04 upgrade and there's tons of gnome bloat.
[14:07] <slackthumbz> Why?!
[14:07] <antisober552> Guys the test came back with no bad blocks
[14:08] <slackthumbz> Why on earth would it need gnome-control-center or any of the unity crap?
[14:10] <GridCube> slackthumbz, because we are still based on ubuntu, and ubuntu has lots of dependencies toward gnome, even more if we have to ship gtk3, sadly we do have to ship gtk3
[14:11] <slackthumbz> I went to xubuntu to get away from zeitgeist, unnecessary gnome dependencies and unity. Now I'm very conflicted as to whether I should just not upgrade or find another distro.
[14:11] <GridCube> slackthumbz, :( i know, its sad
[14:12] <antisober552> Hi grid cube
[14:12] <slackthumbz> maybe it's time I gave Arch atry
[14:12] <slackthumbz> ... :(
[14:12] <GridCube> slackthumbz, it all comes down to gtk3 really, you wont be able to scape from it
[14:12] <GridCube> hi antisober552
[14:12] <GridCube> what seems to be your problem antisober552 ?
[14:13] <antisober552> Umm im able to boot xubuntu but after so long being logged into xubuntu my pc freezes
[14:14] <slackthumbz> GridCube: is it at least [possible to disable zeitgeist and any unity related crap?
[14:14] <antisober552> Ive done a memtest and bad block test and come back clear
[14:15] <GridCube> slackthumbz, you shouldnt really need it for much slackthumbz, xfce itself hasnt moved to gtk3 yet
[14:16] <GridCube> antisober552, i see, its your drive a sata one? its very, but oh so very, usual that the sata cables get corrupted over time and cause reading problems, do you have a spare one to change it? i would first try thatt
[14:16] <GridCube> then i would try removing the ram cards, one by one and see if one of them was causing the problem, finally i would check that the motherboard doesnt have exploded capacitors
[14:17] <slackthumbz> I'll have a look at xubuntu 13.04 in a vm and see what I think. I suspect I may end up going to another distro though.
[14:17] <antisober552> No its ata hdd
[14:17] <GridCube> if the motherboard has a blown capacitor y would take it to a service to chance it
[14:18] <GridCube> antisober552, it has one of this cables? http://images.e-nuc.com/sata-cable-L.jpg
[14:18] <GridCube> or similar
[14:18] <GridCube> if yes, those little things are a real pain in my experience
[14:19] <GridCube> slackthumbz, thats bad to hear, luckly there is still dozens of distros to choose from :) thats the beauty of FOSS
[14:19] <slackthumbz> indeed, I'll just have to shop around ;)
[14:20] <GridCube> :)
[14:21] <GridCube> slackthumbz, remember that we will still be on xfce4 for ever that xubuntu exists so we wont move to unity-like unless xfce does
[14:21] <slackthumbz> Indeed, I'm very fond of xfce as a desktop environment
[14:22] <antisober552> No it this cable http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ata+cable+master+slave&client=tablet-unknown&hl=en-GB&source=android-browser-suggest&v=141400000&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=g15tUbpO6qbgBOuigNAP&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=768&sei=iV5tUbWUI6Kr0AWjv4DgDg
[14:24] <GridCube> yep, thats a google link alright
[14:24] <GridCube> i see
[14:24] <GridCube> well then
[14:25] <GridCube> i would check the ram slots and the capacitor next antisober552
[14:27] <antisober552> Everythink look fine
[14:32] <antisober552> You want some pictures
[14:36] <antisober552> Do you think it could be the on board battery ims not been replaced since the day i got the pc from 2004
[14:40] <GridCube> antisober552, if the battery runned out it would loose the date-hour settings at boot and ask you to reset it
[14:41] <GridCube> antisober552, an inflated capacitor can be tricky to detect, see this example https://static.flickr.com/42/120329818_0e20370795_m.jpg
[14:48] <antisober552> I checked all capacitors none of them are leaking blowing  out and the tops are as flat a a pancake
[14:49] <antisober552> Ive change the master sleave for the hard drive for a new one as i had a few lying around
[14:50] <antisober552> Checked the rambslots a capacitors
[14:56] <antisober552> Okay just booted pc and got this
[14:57] <antisober552> Fixing recursive fault but reboot needed
[14:58] <knome> antisober552, turn the pc completely off and reboot
[14:59] <hylian> every time i start up my browser (chromium-browser) i get a request for a password. How do I disable this?
[15:00] <packetfrog> request like for root?
[15:00] <packetfrog> or for gmail account?
[15:00] <antisober552> Now my pc is in a reboot loop
[15:00] <hylian> packetfrog: it's a keyring style request. i cleared the gnome2 folder (hidden) but it still shows up.
[15:01] <packetfrog> browser should not be running as root   how are you running it?
[15:01] <knome> antisober552, did you hard boot yet?
[15:01] <packetfrog> right click the icon> properties> whats the command its using to run?
[15:01] <hylian> packetfrog: i'm running it via my account, not as root. So that's why i ask.
[15:02] <packetfrog> or settings manager and same deal if its from menu
[15:02] <packetfrog> no
[15:02] <packetfrog> how are you executing it?
[15:02] <packetfrog> icon,menu,terminal?
[15:02] <hylian> packetfrog: are you asking me?
[15:02] <packetfrog> yes
[15:02] <hylian> packetfrog: i am executing it via menu icon. the command is chromium-browser.
[15:02] <antisober552> Yes now i turn pc off waited 1min and now every time i boot my pc it gets passed the bios screen then reboots
[15:02] <GridCube> hylian, thats the gnome-keyring, delete the ~/.gnome2/keyrings/
[15:03] <packetfrog> ^
[15:03] <GridCube> and it will ask you again once, ant that should be it hylian
[15:03] <hylian> GridCube: i did that. it still asks me for a keyring password.
[15:03] <GridCube> hylian, do you boot directly to the desktop or you are asked for password?
[15:03] <hylian> GridCube: i'll try that again. brb need to reboot/logout
[15:04] <GridCube> antisober552, :(
[15:04] <GridCube> you dont get any error? not even POST?
[15:05] <antisober552> Nope none
[15:05] <antisober552> Ill send pictures
[15:06] <GridCube> antisober552, wait, do you get to the grub stage? where you choose system? or not even that?
[15:07] <hylian> GridCube: that was it. i could have sworn I did that already... but as many times as I have installed xubuntu on this thing in the past 3 years, maybe I forgot this time..
[15:07] <GridCube> :)
[15:07] <antisober552> Not even get to there
[15:08] <GridCube> :(
[15:08] <antisober552> I get to where it says boot from dvd drive then it restarts
[15:08] <GridCube> dvd?
[15:08] <GridCube> do you have a media in the dvd?
[15:08] <antisober552> No usb
[15:08] <GridCube> its the hd being recognized by the bios?
[15:09] <hylian> Thanks again. Xubuntu has got to be about the best Linux release out there. All the usefull ubuntu repos without the resource hog unity. man this distro is slick.
[15:09] <GridCube> can you choose to boot from a given media on boot, usually its F11 or F8?
[15:09] <GridCube> :D hylian awesome
[15:09] <antisober552> Dvd drive packed up and no longer reads dvds
[15:09] <GridCube> :(
[15:09] <antisober552> The bios does pick up the hdd
[15:09] <GridCube> your computer seems to have had better days
[15:10] <antisober552> Yes its a pc from 2004
[15:11] <packetfrog> I have a p4 I found in my neighbors yard that was in the rain for a year that still works fine
[15:11] <packetfrog> :D
[15:11] <packetfrog> off topic and useless info  but still
[15:12] <antisober552> Postimg.org/gallery/c8lmdqms/O2d3fba3/
[15:14] <antisober552> Wrong link http://Postimg.org/gallery/c8lmdqms/02d3fba3/
[15:16] <antisober552> Theres picture off my motherboard and other thing for you to check over
[15:18] <antisober552> GridCube, in thos pictures can you see anythink which migh5 be causing this issiue
[15:20] <GridCube> antisober552, sorry but i dont see anything unusual, that last boot error usually fix after rebooting, or choosing an older kernel from grub and then rebooting from a loaded system
[15:20] <antisober552> Okay i got to the grub and its loading up now
[15:21] <antisober552> Could it be a bad driver for like the graphics card
[15:31] <antisober552> Okay maybe i was wrong my dvd drive does read
[15:31] <antisober552> Its reading my windows p disk
[15:38] <GridCube> oh
[15:39] <GridCube> :/ i dont know then, this goes beyond my knowledge
[15:39] <GridCube> sorry antisober552
[15:39] <antisober552> But with the dvd rom connected my pc ends up in a reboot loop
[15:41] <antisober552> Is there any other decent ubuntu os
[15:41] <antisober552> One like xubuntu
[15:41] <antisober552> Ive tried kubuntu
[15:41] <antisober552> And i have the same problem
[15:42] <GridCube> if *buntu gives you problems maybe moving to another distro its your best choice? maybe a smaller one like dsl, tinycore, puppy, slax
[15:43] <antisober552> Ive had ubuntu installed before worked ok but cause i dont have much ram it was laggy
[15:44] <antisober552> Never had this probem on ubuntu
[15:45] <antisober552> Whats the better one out off the ones you said above
[15:46] <GridCube> i like puppy, it uses the same repos as ubuntu now for many many programs, but it works different from ubuntu in many aspects than one, i would recommend joining their channel if you are interested
[15:46] <antisober552> Whats there #
[15:47] <mark______> Hi
[15:47] <antisober552> Hi
[15:47] <GridCube> /j #puppylinux
[15:48] <mark______> I have some trouble setting up a new laptop, it was pre-installed Win8 pro 64 on a SSD card (Samsung PM83)
[15:48] <mark______> And it has a SATA disk
[15:48] <antisober552> I dont have a os to download it crp
[15:48] <mark______> It uses an UEFI bios
[15:49] <mark______> Now I tried installing Ubuntu (and from there get XFCe)
[15:49] <mark______> The installation crashes halfway
[15:49] <mark______> Something to do with I/O error (errn 5)
[15:49] <knome> !uefi | mark______
[15:49] <mark______> After the error I check the SSD, seems like it is in use
[15:49] <mark______> I read that page
[15:50] <mark______> I got into the laptop using the live CD
[15:51] <sonofzeus> hi
[15:51] <mark______> I think I need some help, since I followed those instructions and even using default installation the error comes back
[15:51] <mark______> I tried formatting both disks to ext4 and ntfs
[15:51] <mark______> Same error
[15:51] <mark______> Is there anyone who has time and knowledge to help me a little bit?
[15:52] <sonofzeus> r u guys coool with a lxde q?
[15:52] <knome> sonofzeus, #lubuntu
[15:52] <knome> mark______, just wait for somebody to turn out, or check the forums or askubuntu
[15:52] <mark______> Sure
[15:52] <mark______> Just trying ;-)
[15:53] <knome> mark______, also, have you tried asking #ubuntu?
[15:53] <mark______> Not yet
[15:53] <mark______> Last time I had a problem I got help here, that was perfect
[16:14] <Ohad> Is there anyone here that can support?
[16:14] <Pici> !ask
[16:14] <Ohad> It consists of some
[16:15] <Ohad> in crontab
[16:16] <Ohad> ^^
[16:19] <Pici> I didn't get that.
[16:20] <GridCube> neither did i
[16:22] <packetfrog> ohag, prey.
[16:22] <packetfrog> ohad also
[16:22] <Ohad> I'm trying to create a file in crontab it does not save
[16:23] <packetfrog> sudo
[16:23] <Ohad> im a root
[16:23] <packetfrog> on xubuntu?
[16:23] <Ohad> It may not save because the command is incorrect?
[16:23] <packetfrog> what command
[16:24] <Ohad> 5 0,12 * * * indexer -c /etc/sphinxsearch/sphinx.conf --rotate --alls
[16:24] <Pici> And what happens when you save?
[16:27] <Ohad> It does not give me
[16:27] <packetfrog> I did THIS and THIS happened
[16:27] <packetfrog> ......
[16:27] <packetfrog> We have the "did this"  what is the "THIS happened
[16:27] <packetfrog> "
[16:27] <packetfrog> :p
[16:28] <Ohad> :[
[16:28] <Ohad> i do crontab -e
[16:29] <Ohad> and put the indexer -c
[16:29] <packetfrog> and what happens?
[16:29] <Ohad> this is what you did?
[16:30] <oguz> hi, is 13.04 stable enough now or should I wait for release? I'll make a clean install.
[16:30] <packetfrog> I like raring ringtail   it is nice
[16:31] <Ohad> ?
[16:34] <GridCube> oguz, its recommendable to wait for release if you want stable, and its encouraged to test now to report problems and help getting more stable :D
[16:34] <Ohad> packetfrog, you have a solution?
[16:35] <GridCube> !details | Ohad
[17:12] <antisober552> I got gfxboot.c32; attempted dos system call 2A 0010 0000A15C can someone help me with this please
[17:38] <ddsss> does xubuntu have gnome-keyring and seahorse installed by default?
[17:40] <packetfrog> seahorse noo
[17:41] <packetfrog> keyring no
[17:41] <packetfrog> ddsss ^ ^^
[17:42] <ddsss> packetfrog: why not?
[17:42] <packetfrog> gnome-keyring GNOME
[17:42] <packetfrog> seahorse dont even know what it is
[17:43] <packetfrog> This channel is made of community users   Buntu-employees   ask them :P
[17:43] <packetfrog> not*
[17:45] <ddsss> packetfrog: yeah - it's part of GNOME but u can use it with any environment.
[17:47] <packetfrog> Go install them?
[17:47] <packetfrog> sudo apt-get install blah
[17:47] <packetfrog> settings manager > startup/session > enable gnome services   (somewhere in there)
[17:47] <packetfrog> not hard
[17:48] <GridCube> ddsss, gnome-keyring comes by default, but not seahorse, there is no default keys manager in xubuntu
[17:48] <packetfrog> ^ there  someone smarter then me answered! L:>
[17:48] <GridCube> !nothelping | packetfrog
[17:49] <ddsss> GridCube: thanks
[17:49] <GridCube> ddsss, no worries
[17:51] <ddsss> GridCube: imho - it would be pretty existing to have some usb-based keyrings. IMHo - would be perfect  - just like smartcards - but for everyone.
[17:52] <GridCube> ddsss, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_token
[18:35] <antisober552> Can you get a live disk creator for ubuntu
[18:36] <recon_lap> antisober552: Been a while , but there should be.
[18:37] <antisober552> Okay thanks
[18:37] <recon_lap> antisober552: have you tried http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ , as i said , been a while
[18:38] <antisober552> Nonot yet
[19:19] <pharfar> g'evening. How do I change the screen refresh rate on login GUI? I use a HDMI cable which seems to confuse the login manager
[19:21] <baizon> pharfar: http://askubuntu.com/questions/63681/how-can-i-make-xrandr-customization-permanent
[19:23] <pharfar> ty baizon, the link has been bookmarked
[20:14] <_098V_> Hi there can someone help me install Java for my Xubuntu 12.10?
[20:19] <SunStar> it is available in the Ubuntu Software Center
[20:22] <xubuntu390> hello, anyone here?
[20:28] <xubuntu781> hello
[20:32] <xubuntu468> I signed into Ubuntu One last night and was able to download a pic from my computer to the "file". I am only using the web to get in. I'm not hooked to the computer with the "client". But I need to know how to put a pic in the "photo" section of Ubuntu One and not just in the "file".
[21:26] <Peyam> heeeeeeeei!
[22:10] <antisober552> jhi guys is liveusb creater on ubuntu
[22:13] <SonikkuAmerica> It's [ usb-creator-gtk ]
[22:13] <SonikkuAmerica> so it's still there, it may not be displayed in your apps menu though.
[22:23] <antisober552> 9Kaythx
[22:25] <antisober552> Could you tell me what program allows you to partition yiur hard drive it begain with a g
[22:25] <Unit193> gparted?
[22:26] <antisober552> Thats it thanks
[22:31] <antisober552> How come i cant find it now
[22:33] <SonikkuAmerica> antisober552: Find what?
[22:33] <antisober552> Never mind
[22:33]  * SonikkuAmerica facedesks
[22:33] <SonikkuAmerica> I cleared my IRC window.
[22:33] <antisober552> I coundnt find gparted
[22:33] <SonikkuAmerica> [ sudo apt-get install gparted ]
[22:34] <SonikkuAmerica> It doesn't come installed by default.
[22:34] <antisober552> It was on the system before
[22:35] <SonikkuAmerica> Try Alt+F2 searching
[22:36] <antisober552> Im trying to wipe my usb to create a live usb but it wont let me
[22:37] <SonikkuAmerica> I never said usb-creator-gtk was stable. I recommend Unetbootin.
[22:37] <antisober552> Okay is that on ubuntu
[22:37] <SonikkuAmerica> No, you can find that here: unetbootin.sourceforge.net
[22:38] <Unit193> antisober552: It's on the live system, but not installed.
[22:38] <SonikkuAmerica> It's a script. Download, [ chmod +x ] and run with ./
[22:38] <Unit193> !info unetbootin
[22:38] <SonikkuAmerica> Unit193: Didn't know Unetbootin was in universe
[22:38] <SonikkuAmerica> Since when?
[22:39] <antisober552> But 9need to wipe my usb disk but it wont let me
[22:39] <SonikkuAmerica> Unetbootin will do it for you.
[22:40] <antisober552> So ive downloaded it how do i install it
[22:43] <antisober552> My usb is not been picked up
[22:43] <antisober552> But it already has a liveiso on it
[22:45] <antisober552> Can you help at all
[22:45] <SonikkuAmerica> Reboot with the USB drive
[22:45] <SonikkuAmerica> plugged in
[22:45] <SonikkuAmerica> (I'm in multiple channels, bear with me.)
[22:45] <antisober552> Okay sure
[22:47] <antisober552> You want me to boot the live usb
[22:47] <SonikkuAmerica> Yeah.
[22:47] <SonikkuAmerica> Insert your USB drive and reboot.
[22:48] <antisober552> Oh its no longer booting from the usb
[22:48] <SonikkuAmerica> Is USB booting enabled in your BIOS?
[22:48] <antisober552> Yes
[22:49] <SonikkuAmerica> Did you just copy the ISO directly to your USB drive?
[22:49] <antisober552> No i used unetbootin on windows before wiping my whole pc
[22:50] <SonikkuAmerica> Are you on a Linux system now (such as Ubuntu)?
[22:50] <antisober552> Yes
[22:50] <SonikkuAmerica> Do you have another ISO handy?
[22:50] <SonikkuAmerica> If not, download one
[22:50] <antisober552> I have one already
[22:51] <SonikkuAmerica> OK, plug your USB drive into this computer then.
[22:51] <SonikkuAmerica> (The one you're using right now)
[22:51] <antisober552> Just booting xbuntu
[22:52] <SonikkuAmerica> Don't reboot this machine though.
[22:52] <antisober552> Okay
[22:52] <antisober552> I only have one pc
[22:52] <SonikkuAmerica> I'm confused...
[22:53] <SonikkuAmerica> only 1 PC, what are you using to chat with me? Android?
[22:53] <antisober552> Androirc
[22:53] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh dear... it's not a computer, it's a phone or tablet...
[22:54] <SonikkuAmerica> That's why you never, ever, wipe your PC before booting a live image.
[22:54] <antisober552> No i am doing it on a pc but using  my tab to talk to u
[22:54] <antisober552> Okay xubuntu booted
[22:55] <SonikkuAmerica> Do you want to try it first or install it without trying?
[22:55] <antisober552> Install it
[22:55] <SonikkuAmerica> Select "Install Xubuntu"
[22:56] <antisober552> I want to install mageri i have xubuntu installed but my pc does not like i
[22:56] <SonikkuAmerica> Then follow the on-screen instructions. If you have a question, don't hesitate to ask.
[22:56] <SonikkuAmerica> What's Mageri?
[22:57] <antisober552> I was told about it by a guy
[22:57] <antisober552> Its  like tinycore i think
[22:58] <antisober552> And puppylinux
[22:59] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh. Never heard of it.
[22:59] <antisober552> So how can i install it
[22:59] <SonikkuAmerica> Go to their Web site and download it
[22:59] <SonikkuAmerica> if they have one.
[22:59] <antisober552> I was gunna put it on as a live usb and install that way
[22:59] <antisober552> Thay do
[23:00] <SonikkuAmerica> Same idea then... although you might try dd. One second...
[23:00] <SonikkuAmerica> quit Gotta get out of the cafeteria
[23:09] <SonikkuAmerica> I'm back!
[23:09] <antisober552> Me to
[23:09] <SonikkuAmerica> So anyway, while Xubuntu installs, welcome (for now)
[23:09] <antisober552> Okay i need to format my usb
[23:10] <antisober552> Xubuntu is installed already
[23:11] <SonikkuAmerica> OK. But your live image should support ext4 or FAT32 (I'm not sure what it's formatted as)
[23:11] <SonikkuAmerica> So install Unetbootin: [ sudo apt-get install unetbootin ]
[23:12] <antisober552> Okay
[23:13] <SonikkuAmerica> Run it
[23:13] <SonikkuAmerica> (Press Alt+F2 and search for it
[23:13] <SonikkuAmerica> )
[23:13] <antisober552> Just installing know
[23:15] <antisober552> Okay ive run it but not showing usb
[23:15] <SonikkuAmerica> You have to select it from the drop-down list
[23:16] <antisober552> Not there
[23:16] <SonikkuAmerica> Is your USB drive plugged in?
[23:17] <antisober552> Yes in gparted is shows as unallocated
[23:17] <SonikkuAmerica> Format the whole USB drive as FAT32.
[23:18] <antisober552> Okay just applied it
[23:18] <antisober552> Ineed to mount it now dont i
[23:18] <SonikkuAmerica> OK, now restart Unetbootin and see if it shows up now.
[23:19] <SonikkuAmerica> Just unplug your USB drive and reinsert it
[23:19] <antisober552> Okay unetbootin has found usb
[23:20] <SonikkuAmerica> Excellent. Select the "Disk Image" radio button, click the "..." and browse to your ISO.
[23:20] <antisober552> Done
[23:21] <SonikkuAmerica> Hit "OK"
[23:21] <SonikkuAmerica> and watch the magic.
[23:21] <antisober552> Shall i use space to preserve files acrose ubuntu
[23:22] <SonikkuAmerica> You said you were using a Mageri ISO, right? That option only works with *buntu.
[23:23] <SonikkuAmerica> Go ahead and hit OK
[23:24] <antisober552> Okay sorry
[23:24] <antisober552> Okay its doing i6s thing
[23:25] <antisober552> I was looking for a different ubuntu os to use
[23:26] <antisober552> But idk i see how i get on with this one
[23:27] <SonikkuAmerica> Welcome to Xubuntu.


[07:17] <dholbach> good morning
[07:18] <dpm> good morning dholbach and all
[07:20] <dholbach> hey dpm
[07:28]  * ajmitch waves
[09:35] <tvnmsk> I dont know if this is the right place to mention this but the link for "unity integration"-video is incorrect, it points to a different video location
[09:41] <dpm> tvnmsk, that's the right place, let me have a look...
[09:42] <tvnmsk> it redirects me to the video of the first day, the last session
[09:46] <dpm> tvnmsk, fixed it now, you might need to reload the page to see the changes. Thanks for the heads up!
[10:36] <pappijo> how can I delete a dialog created with quickly?
[14:02] <__h__> hi, anyone?
[14:07] <dpm> hi __h__
[14:24] <__h__> dpm: hi! any idea of what would be the best approach to get a countdown widget into an app, that is animated...
[14:24] <__h__> dpm: i mean, the countdown widget would be animated
[14:24] <dpm> gotcha
[14:26] <__h__> dpm: http://cnanney.com/journal/code/apple-style-counter-revisited/
[14:33] <dpm> __h__, it all depends on the toolkit of choice. If you are using Qt, that would probably be really easy to do with QML. If you are using Qt, you can probably do some sort of animation with Cairo, or if you want proper animation, then Clutter
[14:34] <__h__> dpm:  are Cairo and Clutter Qt specific?
[14:38] <dpm> __h__, there are independent of the toolkit, if I'm not mistaken, but they are generally used with GTK
[14:38] <dpm> for Qt you'd use QML
[14:39] <dpm> sorry, I've just realized what might have generated the confusion...
[14:39] <dpm> "If you are using Qt, you can probably..." I meant -> "If you're using GTK"
[14:40] <dpm> so:
[14:40] <dpm> GTK -> Cairo or Clutter
[14:40] <dpm> Qt -> QML
[14:45] <__h__> dpm: np
[14:47] <__h__> dpm: I see that cairo for example, is kinda a drawing library, do you think that maybe animating images would be more suitable for this widget?
[14:48] <__h__> like the good ol' sprite thing
[14:50] <dpm> __h__, yeah, I think a poor man's animation would do with Cairo (see the example at the bottom of http://zetcode.com/tutorials/cairographicstutorial/transparency/), but still, you might want to look at Clutter for proper, modern animation, or QML
[14:50] <dpm> what toolkit are you using then, GTK, Qt, or something else?
[14:59] <__h__> dpm: GTK but it is not a definite decision
[14:59] <dpm> ok
[15:01] <__h__> so choices could be left to GTK -> Clutter or Qt -> QML
[15:04] <dpm> yeah, I think so. You might also want to ask on askubuntu, to see if you get more recommendations
[15:09] <__h__> dpm: do you know what could have been the reason for ubuntu to choose Gtk for its apps and quickly, and what are the plans for the future of toolkits in ubuntu?
[15:13] <JanC> or on stackoverflow
[15:14] <JanC> (there are more programmers on stackoverflow than on askubuntu)
[15:15] <JanC> __h__: Ubuntu has traditionally always been based on GNOME, which uses Gtk
[15:29] <__h__> JanC: I see
[15:32] <__h__> JanC: So I would say that Gtk is better integrated with ubuntu than Qt
[15:33] <__h__> JanC: I mean the default Unity shell
[15:35] <JanC> yes, although Qt is themed to look more or less like Gtk, looks & behaviour are likely to be (subtly) different
[15:44] <JanC> OTOH, Qt is somewhat easier to use than Gtk on e.g. Windows, so if your app needs to be cross-platform with minimal effort...
[16:33] <__h__> JanC: I will be targeting ubuntu unity + gnome shell atm
[16:34] <JanC> then certainly Gtk is best (maybe combined with Clutter or similar)
[16:39] <Kalidarn> more doco for Qt too
[16:39] <Kalidarn> and if you've gotta do multi-platform support Qt all the way
[16:40] <Kalidarn> the good thing also about Qt is it looks acceptable in a KDE environment too
[20:21] <titeuf_87> Anyone familiar with how Gtk css themes work? I'm trying to have a hover effect for a label, but without much success.