[09:01] <kanhiya> I faced that there is no option to create new document in right click, bluetooth not working on any pc that i have tried, no way to navigate windows from panel, how to add applet like force quit to panel & much more , i have faced in ubuntu 11.10
[09:02] <gmzlj> nvz: right, but its not commercial either
[09:02] <nvz> gmzlj: thats my issue here.. people think testing in debian and know to expect problems.. ubuntu on the other hand has the upgrade manager flashing in people who have no clue's face upgrade to 11.10 making them think thats safe.. heh
[09:03] <jaccoh> any1 running ubuntu on their mac (mini)?
[09:03] <nvz> gmzlj: so my issue isn't just with the time based release schedule but with the release process entirely.. people who really dont know crap use ubuntu, and the distro pushes new releases hard on people who dont realize its not as well tested and debugged as a stable debian release
[09:03] <jaccoh> i had to reinstall ubuntu and i cant get sound working.. never was an issues on the previous install
[09:03] <gmzlj> nvz: ah politics :S
[09:03] <somsip> nvz, gmzlj could this go to #ubuntu-offtopic please?
[09:03] <nvz> gmzlj: you or I know better, but the majority of users don't
[09:03] <gmzlj> somsip: we're about done anyways, sorry
[09:04] <gmzlj> nvz: yeah
[09:04] <e01> ubuntu 11.10 is beta for 12.04 :D
[09:04] <froes>  hi guys. i am having some trouble on X11 forwarding  on openssh. has anyone been able to make it work with lxde for example ? is that possible ?
[09:04] <froes> logout
[09:04] <gmzlj> froes: ssh X11 forwarding doesn't forward the desktop
[09:04] <gmzlj> just applications
[09:04] <gmzlj> it won't forward lxde
[09:05] <mmv> froes: i've done it, with xnest
[09:05] <Benkinooby> froes, it only forwards windows of applications
[09:05] <gmzlj> froes: you might be looking for x11vnc if you want to forward lxde across the network
[09:05] <nvz> froes: yeah you may want to try a different approach for what you're trying to do.. like ssh tunneling a VNC or RDP or something
[09:05] <Benkinooby> froes, if you start a graphical application via X forwarded ssh, you'll see the new window#
[09:06] <kanhiya> community, tell me is there any way to revert to bluetooth  packages of ubuntu 11.04 in ubuntu 11.10
[09:07] <gmzlj> kanhiya: manually download them and install them
[09:07] <nvz> kanhiya: you could save yourself a headache and just reinstall 11.04 and not touch shiny new software until you know it works.. because if this is the only problem you've seen, I am fairly certain it wont be the last
[09:07] <froes> gmzlj, x11vnc would forward xdm+lxde for example ?
[09:07] <mmv> kanhiya: not in any way that's supported
[09:07] <Snicksie> jaccoh, you might want to edit your sound settings with 'alsamixer' in the terminal... my macbook has ubuntu with working sound on it :)
[09:07] <gmzlj> froes: your whole x11 session, no matter what de/wm
[09:08] <gmzlj> froes: so yes
[09:08] <kanhiya> gmzlj: from where?
[09:08] <nvz> froes: for the display manager to be forwarded you may want something like XDCMP
[09:08] <kanhiya> gmzlj: for bluetooth
[09:08] <SpyderZ> Looking at my graphics adapter and it says Unknown…anyways to find a driver for my system that will allow my second extended display to work?
[09:08] <gstreamer236> i have  vaapi and mplayer installed. mplayer -vo doesnt list vaapi as an option.
[09:09] <nvz> SpyderZ: how is this 2nd display attached? both displays on the same card?
[09:09] <gmzlj> kanhiya: the 11.04 repos. but you're probably looking for a world of pain should there happen to be version conflicts between dependancies
[09:09] <SpyderZ> nvz: It's a laptop with a VGA LCD Monitor hooked up.
[09:09] <rog> hi folks, i'm trying to lower the large power usage of my thinkpad x220 since upgrading to 11.10, and i've found this possible fix: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1859781&page=2
[09:09] <nvz> SpyderZ: oh, ok.. well you want to toy with xrandr or something similar then
[09:09] <rog> my question is: how do i change the kernel boot parameters? i've looked at /etc/default/grub but it's not clear to me that this is the right place.
[09:10] <mmv> rog: hmm, been thinking of buying one of those, how noisy are the fans? i5?
[09:10] <nvz> SpyderZ: generally something like xrandr --output VGA -auto or something.. I forget right now.. its 4am here.. heh see the manpage
[09:10] <rog> mmv: i5, yes. very quiet fan
[09:10] <mmv> rog: any bad comments?
[09:10] <rog> mmv: on natty i was getting 8h or more on battery
[09:10] <kanhiya> gmzlj: I think i should revert back to ubuntu 11.04
[09:11] <gmzlj> gstreamer236: vdpau
[09:11] <rog> mmv: on oneiric i'm only getting 2-3h on battery :-(
[09:11] <SpyderZ> nvz: I'm all new to Ubuntu, it's day 1 for me. I'll Google it I guess.
[09:11] <kanhiya> gmzlj: Will same problem appear in Kubuntu 11.10 also :)
[09:11] <rog> mmv: my wife complains that the keyboard light dazzles her :-)
[09:11] <gmzlj> kanhiya: try finding a ppa for bluetooth first
[09:11] <gmzlj> kanhiya: something newer might fix your problems
[09:11] <rog> mmv: otherwise it's great
[09:12] <nvz> SpyderZ: ah, well typically you can enable it from the monitor prefs gui
[09:12] <mmv> rog: presumably one can turn that light off?
[09:12] <rog> mmv: oh yes, when i'm using it in my lap, the touchpad curves around a little bit and sometimes my clothes will activate it
[09:12] <kanhiya> gmzlj: Thanks
[09:12] <rog> mmv: yeah. it's mostly off
[09:12] <rog> mmv: but when it's on, it could be a little more directional
[09:13] <rog> mmv: it's a nice system, and i *was* joyous about the battery life.
[09:13] <rog> mmv: hence my quest to regain that!
[09:13] <gstreamer236> gmzlj, isnt vdpau for nvidia?
[09:13] <rog> so, does anyone know how to change kernel boot params?
[09:13] <gmzlj> gstreamer236: thats all mplayer supports irrc
[09:14] <nvz> rog: in /etc/default/grub
[09:14] <maum> kanhiya: http://ompldr.org/vYmcxNA
[09:14] <gmzlj> gstreamer236: there's a mplayer-vaapi project
[09:14] <nvz> rog: first you change the kernel params in there then run update-grub like the file says
[09:14] <gmzlj> gstreamer236: i assume its a matter of time before it gets merged in
[09:15] <rog> nvz: so if i add this line to /etc/default/grub, it should work?: i915.i915_enable_rc6=1
[09:15] <rog> i.e. each env var in that file is a kernel param?
[09:15] <rog> or is there a specific env var for kernel params?
[09:15] <nvz> rog: no.. you add kernel params to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[09:16] <nvz> rog: you'd put that in the quotes with the quiet splash, then run update-grub
[09:16] <rog> like this? GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash 'i915.i915_enable_rc6=1'"
[09:16] <rog> or double quotes?
[09:17] <nvz> rog: assuming that is a valid kernel parameter.. I'd take out the single quotes though it probably wont like that
[09:17] <rog> nvz: ah, i misunderstood what you meant by "in quotes"
[09:18] <nvz> rog: heh, no worries.. inside the double quotes is the string to append to the linux command line by default its a space separated list of arguments
[09:19] <nvz> this ticking sound through my speakers is enough to drive me insane.. heh
[09:19] <rog> nvz: i bet that might even be documented somewhere. all the web pages assume you know this stuff, but it wasn't obvious to me!
[09:19] <nvz> rog: wasn't to me either.. but thats because I been using linux for 12 years or so, and the new grub does things VERY differently
[09:20] <nvz> rog: I'm starting to get used to the way programs split up configuration now though..
[09:21] <nvz> rog: I had the same issue migrating from apache 1.3 to apache 2 ... everone is migrating towards partial config files that are strewn out across the system.. heh
[09:21] <Anomie211> What is the default path for gedit in Ubuntu 11.10? Trying to make filezilla use it as it's default editor but I need to specify the file path
[09:21] <rog> nvz: i find it kinda funny that the boot time system is a fully blown shell script... or is that shell script just generating a config file to be used at boot time?
[09:22] <deej1976> Anomie211: which gedit
[09:22] <nvz> rog: are you referring to /etc/default/grub?
[09:22] <geirha> Anomie211: You should just be able to type in gedit, without a path.
[09:22] <rog> nvz: yeah
[09:22] <nvz> rog: thats read by update-grub, at the point which grub actually uses that info it's not even aware the filesystem that file resides on even exists
[09:23] <rog> nvz: ah, ok, i wondered how that worked
[09:23] <nvz> rog: yeah if you don't update-grub then nothing changes
[09:24] <Anomie211> geirha: Type it in where? I'm using the 'Select default editor' tool in Filezilla, no where to type.
[09:24] <deej1976> /usr/bin/gedit
[09:24] <Anomie211> deej1976: I think thats it, ta
[09:25] <deej1976> Anomie211: If you need to find a path to a command use "which" i.e. which gedit
[09:25] <geirha> Anomie211: Ah ok. I've never used Filezilla, but usually there's a box where you can just type in the command, next to the file selection.
[09:25] <rog> nvz: thanks for the info. even if i had found that option in the documentation (it is there) i'd probably have used GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX rather than GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT
[09:25] <rog> which would be wrong
[09:25] <Anomie211> deej1976: ah, handy. Thanks :)
[09:26] <maum> I have some problem with installing ffmpeg . anyone can recognize this /??/ http://ompldr.org/vYmcxNA
[09:26] <geirha> Anomie211: Or the more portable alternative to which; type. E.g.  type gedit
[09:26] <nvz> rog: well it annoys me any time things change that I already knew how to do.. but this way is a lot better once you get used to it.. before you had one big config file and had to change command lines for each kernel basically
[09:27] <deej1976> geirha: That comes back "type: Command not found."
[09:27] <maum> please help me
[09:27] <rog> nvz: i'm a bit surprised there aren't some idiots' guides easily findable out there on the web. (i did look).
[09:27] <Jovaro> I updated to 11.10 but now I have some language issues. I use dutch, swedish and english (in that order) and now I have a mix of all three. Most in dutch, firefox in english, dates are in english and some random things are in swedish. What went wrong there?
[09:27] <deej1976> maum: Have you enabled any other repo?
[09:27] <deej1976> !grub2
[09:28] <nvz> rog: the problem with the old way of configuring things was the times moving beyond slackware style config everything by hand, to automagic auto-configuration.. which clashes with manual config.. so now the automagic stuff does what it does, and when you want to manually hack you make smaller config files that are read in
[09:28] <geirha> deej1976: Ah, well it's a builtin in bourne compatible shells.
[09:28] <luca_bi> Dear friends could explain to me the role of the keyword $this
[09:28] <luca_bi> ?
[09:28] <deej1976> geirha: That explains it, default shell here tcsh
[09:29] <maum> deej1976: what do you mean?
[09:29] <deej1976> maum: Have you enable/install any other repository/ppa's
[09:29] <maum> deej1976: yes but I failed.. there is a lot more dependencies...
[09:30] <maum> deej1976: I don't know how to install ffmpeg on ubuntu 11.04
[09:30] <nvz> rog: a simple example in deb based distros is how there is the /etc/apt/sources.list for your package sources, then there is the sources.list.d/ directory where individual source files can be appended. Things like getdeb and playdeb make use of this, we managed before it worked that way, but it was far more complicated.. now official auto type stuff goes in the config and manual 3rd party stuff can just drop their own configs in the *.d/ dir
[09:30] <theadmin> maum: sudo apt-get install ffmpeg...
[09:30] <maum> theadmin: I did but the error occured
[09:31] <maum> theadmin: like this http://ompldr.org/vYmcxNA
[09:31] <rog> nvz: yeah, that makes sense. not obvious when coming to it from scratch though - quite a few layers of abstraction going on.
[09:31] <theadmin> maum: Odd... Are you sure you didn't modify the repositories?
[09:32] <A_J> Will a PCIE 2.1 gfx card work in a PCIe 3.0 motherboard?
[09:32] <maum> theadmin: yes
[09:32] <nvz> A_J: thats more of a question for ##hardware
[09:32]  * A_J goes there
[09:33] <maum> theadmin: how can I fix this?
[09:33] <stimpie> When I boot my laptop (asus n53sv) with an external monitor attached  I get some console lines at the external monitor but never reach lightdm. Any one knows what this could be?
[09:33] <nvz> A_J: technically I should know that but I can't say with certainty cause I dont work on many new systems and I got certified many years ago.. heh
[09:34] <deej1976> maum: "sudo apt-get install ffmpeg | pastebinit"
[09:34] <SpyderZ> nvz: What do I do when Xandr is not a found command?
[09:35] <nvz> SpyderZ: its xrandr and just typing that should show you what displays you have
[09:35] <A_J> ty nvz
[09:35] <maum> deej1976: I cannot install astebinit
[09:35] <nvz> SpyderZ: typically the vga output is called VGA and can be enabled by saying xrandr --output VGA --auto
[09:36] <SpyderZ> nvz: Thanks!
[09:36] <A[D]minS> Morning , Quick question ... How i can kill only this session  ----> tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:36692     <IP_ADDRESS>:1863         CLOSE_WAIT  2779/wish8.5
[09:36] <nvz> SpyderZ: I'm at a loss for how to do that graphically due to ubuntu's crappy unity interface I have little interest in learning to use and it being so much different than plain gnome.. heh.. but the command line tricks are the same on any distro.. ;)
[09:36] <mmv> A[D]minS: you could kill 2779
[09:37] <deej1976> maum: what does "sudo apt-get install -f" do?
[09:38] <SpyderZ> nvz: I tried the command and it says it could not find the VGA and is ignoring it.
[09:38] <SpyderZ> nvz: I guess I'm at the dead end of this machine.
[09:38] <nvz> A[D]minS: yeah I'd 2nd the killing the process because that connection has already been asked to close and is in a wait state.. so the app is probably misbehaving
[09:38] <cellardoor> After my upgrade to 11.10 my speakers just emit a constant whine. Known issue?
[09:38] <nvz> SpyderZ: well thats why I said run xrandr first with no arguments, to see what the displays are called, on my netbook for example its VGA1 for some reason
[09:39] <SpyderZ> ok
[09:39] <maum> deej1976: ok
[09:39] <nvz> SpyderZ: typically one is called LVDS and one VGA on a notebook.. but it varies
[09:39] <maum> deej1976: sudo apt-get install -f didn't work
[09:40] <maum> the message said
[09:40] <A[D]minS> mmv: we don't want to kill the application , yes the application misbehaving and do weird stuff, however it could be a workaround to kill these sessions , any idea?
[09:40] <maum> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[09:40] <maum> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[09:40] <SpyderZ> nvz: Thanks, I think this one is coming down to a driver issue, that's why the VGA is not showing up at all in the list.
[09:40] <deej1976> maum: Another process has the package database open.
[09:40] <A[D]minS> P.S i'm not talking about wish8.5   , it was just an example
[09:40] <nvz> SpyderZ: well also some notebooks are strange about that and have a fn key to enable it, sometimes it is easiest to just boot with the display connected and have it enabled that way
[09:41] <mmv> A[D]minS: nah,
[09:41] <nvz> SpyderZ: there may also be an issue with the driver though.. perhaps you could get further help if you check lspci to figure out what the graphics adapter is, and find out which driver X is using
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> maum: are updates running or do you have software centre open?
[09:42] <SpyderZ> nvz: The main LCD screen is cracked so I disabled it and left the CRT only option on. Ubuntu boots and it displays on the external monitor at first, but then turns off as it hits the login screen.
[09:42] <maum> I am checking now
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> !aptfix | maum if not then use the following
[09:43] <maum> E: Broken packages
[09:43] <maum> http://paste.ubuntu.com/749092/
[09:43] <llutz> !info cutter  | A[D]minS
[09:44] <A[D]minS> thx llutz
[09:44] <A[D]minS> i'll check it
[09:44] <nvz> SpyderZ: ah.. well that significantly changes things.. heh. I'm no X guru by any means.. but I think if you better explain the problem again using those details someone else might be of better assitance. I personally need to run across the street to the store.. its going on 5am, been up all night and need a lil something.. heh
[09:44] <nvz> SpyderZ: I could figure it out, but would have to look up some things after I get back.. which will only be a few min
[09:44] <SpyderZ> nvz: Thanks for the help, much appreciated.
[09:45] <SpyderZ> I'll try again tomorrow when I'm more awake.
[09:45] <SpyderZ> Have a good one!
[09:45] <maum> deej1976, ActionParsnip ubottu : I did sudo apt-get install ffmpeg | pastebinit and terminal said E: Broken packages
[09:45] <maum> http://paste.ubuntu.com/749092/
[09:47] <ranjan> Hi all, which is the best development platform for mapreduce. is it windows or linux?
[09:48] <theadmin> ranjan: Linux is the best development platform for anything that *can* be developed on Linux
[09:48] <canterer> mapreduce?
[09:48] <canterer> what?
[09:50] <deej1976> maum: It's possible that you have a conflict with another ppa that you've added. Also which Ubuntu version are you running?
[09:50] <maum> deej1976: I am using ubuntu 11.04 version
[09:50] <maum> ppa?
[09:51] <deej1976> !ppa
[09:51] <ranjan> theadmin, great ! :)
[09:51] <maum> deej1976: what should I do?
[09:52] <ranjan> theadmin, we are going to setup a mapreduce lab, and planning to use ubuntu as the OS
[09:53] <ranjan> theadmin, how to push policies like the windows group policy in ubuntu.?
[09:54] <theadmin> ranjan: Sorry, I'm not too into Windows, what on earth is that?
[09:55] <deej1976> maum: load Synaptic Package Manager, Settings, Repositories, Other Software
[09:55] <ranjan> theadmin, i  mean centrally manage all the desktops with same configurations. imposing certian restrictions, pushing our companies wallpapers every time when it changes etc
[09:55] <deej1976> maum: If you can capture the list and post online
[09:55] <theadmin> ranjan: Hm, well... cron for the last one, and just set the general configuration for one user and then copy it to /etc/skel for the first one.
[09:56] <ranjan> theadmin, have you heard about Puppet, CFEngine, Chef etc?
[09:56] <stimpie> ranjan, checkout landscape
[09:56] <ranjan> stimpie, is landscape opensource?
[09:56] <stimpie> ranjan, no
[09:57] <theadmin> ranjan: I heard about Chef allright, but not those other 2, but I haven't used any of those.
[09:57] <ranjan> theadmin, ok
[09:57] <ranjan> stimpie, is there any other things like landscape which if opensource?
[09:57] <stimpie> ranjan, CFEngine is opensource but takes more time to setup
[09:58] <maum> deej1976: http://ompldr.org/vYmcxcg
[09:59] <deej1976> maum: Try unticking debs.astraw.com ..., www.debian-multimedia.org
[09:59] <maum> deej1976: how can I do?
[10:00] <rog> for the record, that fix doesn't seem to have improved my power consumption
[10:00] <deej1976> maum: with a mounse and clikcing the tick next to debs.astraw.com, www.debian-multimedia.org
[10:01] <deej1976> maum: That should untick, disable those repositories
[10:01] <poonam> hi all
[10:01] <i3lue> with 160gb to work with what is a good partition setup on seperate root swap and home partitions
[10:01] <deej1976> maum: Then in a terminal run "sudo apt-get update ; apt-get install ffmpeg"
[10:01] <poonam> I am using ubuntu 9.10 ie karmic
[10:01] <Gentoo64> i3lue: i cant say
[10:01] <deej1976> maum: Then in a terminal run "sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install ffmpeg"
[10:02] <poonam> I am using ubuntu 9.10 ie karmic, but not able to install packages, can any one help
[10:02] <Gentoo64> i3lue: some poeple /home is gigabytes, mines 52MB
[10:02] <poonam> Ign http://in.archive.ubuntu.com karmic-updates Release                                                                                Err http://security.ubuntu.com karmic-security/main Packages                                                                                404  Not Found
[10:03] <poonam> Ign http://in.archive.ubuntu.com karmic-updates Releas  Err http://security.ubuntu.com karmic-security/main Packages 404  Not Found
[10:03] <poonam> deej1976: can u plz help me
[10:04] <poonam> deej1976: I am using ubuntu 9.10 ie karmic, but not able to install packages
[10:04] <poonam> Ign http://in.archive.ubuntu.com karmic-updates Releas  Err http://security.ubuntu.com karmic-security/main Packages 404  Not Found
[10:04] <pangolin> !eolupgrade | poonam
[10:04] <pangolin> !eol | poonam
[10:04] <deej1976> !pastebin |pangolin:
[10:04] <cuthbert> hi guys
[10:05] <pangolin> deej1976: ?
[10:05] <cuthbert> sorrry am using ubuntu
[10:05] <pangolin> oh, hehe I see
[10:05] <maum> deej1976: http://paste.ubuntu.com/749104/
[10:05] <poonam> pangolin: thanks
[10:05] <deej1976> pangolin: Sorry was for poonam, and the multiline paste
[10:05] <cuthbert> am looking for platform that i will be able to run java programs
[10:06] <deej1976> maum: It's installed
[10:06] <maum> deej1976: thank you very much
[10:07] <cuthbert> am looking for platform that i will be able to run java programs
[10:07] <maum> deej1976: how could you recognize unnessary repository
[10:07] <poonam> ubottu: thanks
[10:08] <atlasair> how can i make aliases for the terminal? The stuff i've found on google isn't working..
[10:09] <deej1976> maum: dapper is an old release of ubuntu. debian-mm sid is old debian, probably should be there, if that hadn't worked I would have for for the ppa ones.
[10:10] <deej1976> shouldn't*#
[10:10] <maum> deej1976: how can I use ppa?
[10:10] <deej1976> !launchpad
[10:11] <maum> deej1976: just download the package from the site?
[10:11] <antnash> Hi guys. Where can I check why my pc just crashed?
[10:12] <stimpie> antnash, depends on the type of crash but /var/log/syslog or /var/log/Xorg.0.log might tell you something
[10:12] <deej1976> maum: Nope, read how to add the ppa, each package on launchpad has a repository
[10:12] <cuthbert> am looking for platform that i will be able to run java programs
[10:12] <twocarlo> im trying to install nvidia driver, as i install the driver it ask me to stop x server, how to stop  x server by the way?
[10:13] <cuthbert> am looking for platform that i will be able to run java programs
[10:13] <stimpie> antnash, use the logviewer
[10:13] <antnash> cheers stimpie. It had been up for about 3 minutes, and I was just doing a git pull then *beep!* and it was resettings.
[10:13] <maum> deej1976: I see
[10:13] <antnash> resetting
[10:13] <ne2k> I have moved to using a USB sound card as my main sound device, rather than the onboard one. however, whenever I hibernate the computer and reawaken it, it switches the output back to the internal one and mutes the USB one. how can I make the USB one get reactivated automatically when the computer wakes up?
[10:13] <antnash> it's just done it again
[10:13] <antnash> it beeped at me and then reset
[10:13] <stimpie> cuthbert, that will be almost anything. try a nokia 3310
[10:13] <ne2k> natty, btw
[10:14] <stevecam> is the ubuntu experience becoming more buggy over the last 2 years
[10:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> no
[10:14] <mmv> stevecam: it started off pretty buggy...
[10:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> LTS is fine
[10:15] <reisi> it'd seem that postinst configure script for logcheck 1.3.7ubuntu2 is broken, "No such file or directory" on ubuntu server 10.04; any ideas on how to override this? happened during upgrade and cant really think of any reason why it should be doing anything
[10:15] <stimpie> stevecam,  I dont think buggy is the right word but their have been some major gui changes which caused missing features
[10:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> OSMONDE - you should not log onto irc as root really
[10:15] <cuthbert> stimpie , sorry am now using computer  and running ubuntu 11.10 so am looking for an application so that  i can write java programss
[10:16] <ne2k> cuthbert: gedit?
[10:16] <deej1976> !info eclipse
[10:16] <nvz> cuthbert: eclipse as I understand is popular
[10:16] <OSMONDE> HOW DID I MANAGE THAT?
[10:16] <OSMONDE> oops caps
[10:16] <stimpie> stimpie, aha thats something different, try eclipse, netbeans or intellij idea
[10:16] <stevecam> earlier, I was able to use rhythmbox and have very little or none problems,now there is banshee, which seems to hang more often and there is unity that seems to hang as well, chosen over gnomes new shell
[10:17] <nvz> personally I gave up on Java after reading Sam's Learn Java 2 in 24 one hour lessons. learned both that I never wanna program java and that sams books are horrible.. heh
[10:17] <nvz> stevecam: did you upgrade to a new release?
[10:17] <stevecam> this current install is a fresh install
[10:17] <ne2k> nvz: java has its place, but it's not the best language around
[10:18] <ActionParsnip> stevecam: install rhythmnbox if you like it....
[10:18] <stevecam> i have upgraded in the past but i don't like the experience
[10:18] <ne2k> nvz: portability is the biggest thing going for it
[10:18] <nvz> ne2k: oh I recognise its portability and usefulness, I just despise it.. heh
[10:19] <ActionParsnip> nvz: it has good memory clean up too :)
[10:19] <nvz> stevecam: so in other words you've made no changes to the installed packages?
[10:20] <stevecam> ActionParsnip, my point is, i had less problems using my ubuntu system as is earlier, and now im finding after each new release its becoming more unusable
[10:20] <nvz> stevecam: 11.10 is horrible, thats not news
[10:20] <ActionParsnip> stevecam: do you mean you don't like unity?
[10:20] <nvz> stevecam: nobody said you had to upgrade
[10:20] <ActionParsnip> nvz: I think you mean unity, you can use KDE in 11.10 and it runs the same as 11.04
[10:20] <stevecam> i am just giving feedback, should i stop?
[10:21] <nvz> ActionParsnip: no I mean 11.10.. heh.. first thing I did was install gnome-panel and everything to get gnome on it, and it was all badly broken
[10:21] <nvz> ActionParsnip: and clearly this user, like myself prefers GTK to QT
[10:21] <ne2k> nvz: at least it doesn't support the vile "feature" that is multiple inheritance
[10:21] <ActionParsnip> nvz: I use lxde, not had an issue
[10:22] <deej1976> !notunity | nvz:
[10:22] <osmonde> ok so the other day i used clonezilla for the first time---made an image/wiped the partition,reformatted and restored my os and stuff from the image..All in an attempt to "wipe freespace" after having used photo wreck and finding sensitive data easily recoverd...is there an easier way?
[10:22] <ActionParsnip> stevecam: if you dislike Unity with Gnome, there are other desktops you can use and your Gnome apps will run just fine, or you can use Gnome shell too
[10:22] <nvz> ne2k: heh.. I'm not much of a programmer.. I like simple programming like python, bash..etc
[10:22] <nvz> deej1976: I'm aware of that, doesnt change the fact that its horrible broken
[10:23] <stevecam> ActionParsnip, im looking for general usability, what would you recommend
[10:23] <ne2k> I release-upgraded from maverick to natty, and it's resulted in a slightly messed up system (usable, but not great). I was contemplating doing a fresh install at some point. ought I to do a fresh install of natty, or of oneiric, or just leave it? I use the classic gnome desktop, btw
[10:23] <osmonde> my woman uses cccleaner on her partition and i cant pull too much off after shes used it..shes on win7 ntfs
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> stevecam: xfce looks and smells like Gnome2
[10:24] <ActionParsnip> osmonde: foremost or scalpel may help
[10:25] <osmonde> is there an option for just free space..?
[10:25] <nvz> .. so would not calling her "your woman", and being specific about "pull too much off"
[10:25] <stevecam> when i want to do tricky stuff in linux i use a LFS build that i compile, i dont mind xfce but i like a bit of eyecandy, i have a modern PC and if im only doing general things i dont need to worry about cpu usage
[10:25] <osmonde> im a bit noobish but have become clever
[10:26] <nvz> osmonde: can you cleverly explain what it is you want to do?
[10:26] <osmonde> wipe "freespace" on ext4
[10:27] <osmonde> i am also working on changing my habits as far as deleting things
[10:27] <nvz> oh.. heh.. paranoid much?
[10:27] <osmonde> not so much..but my finances are important
[10:28] <osmonde> incidently i am a bit paranoid..but that doesnt mean they all arnt out to get me..lol
[10:28] <osadid> *0*
[10:28] <nvz> osmonde: look into secure-delete package
[10:29] <osmonde> i have the secure delete pacage
[10:29] <ActionParsnip> osmonde: if you want to wipe the empty space to all 0s, you can use bleachbit
[10:29] <deej1976> !info secure-delete
[10:29] <rodhash> Hello guys, why when I restart the gdm with "service gdm stop/start" it brings a different window login (oneiric)?? At first it's a beautiful login window, but after running the restart cmd, appears something very simple...
[10:29] <rodhash> any idea?
[10:30] <osmonde> my only problem is that i want to leave all my files and stuff in place
[10:30] <osmonde> and just sweep up under it all
[10:31] <osmonde> as i said I have chaged how i delete things..i use bleach bit to shred files on a weekly basis
[10:31] <osmonde> however..when i look at pics on face book nd stuff it makes its way into my fs somehow
[10:32] <gappie> hi
[10:32] <nvz> anything you look at online typically gets cached
[10:32] <rodhash> Anyone?? Shouldn't appear the same login window?
[10:32] <nvz> rodhash: depends on what you changed
[10:32] <osmonde> can i take off this caching function?
[10:32] <nvz> heh
[10:32] <rodhash> nvz, I didn't change anything... I just made a stop / start
[10:33] <rodhash> but if I restart the ubuntu... the beautiful login window appears again
[10:33] <gappie> i need some assistance please: my ubuntu boots to console mode. How do I run a shell script on startup in console mode?
[10:33] <nvz> osmonde: even using something like chromium's incognito mode I believe its still cached temporarily.. not sure though as I'm not that paranoid
[10:34] <n97087> gappie, before or after login?
[10:34] <gappie> i am hoping to hve auto login on startup.is that even possible?
[10:34] <nvz> rodhash: idk if it were me I'd look at the gdm log
[10:34] <osmonde> truth be told my old lady gets in my biz..since shes become techi with the photo rec program..I've heard "whos this" bout a thousand times..and i need her out my biz..
[10:35] <nvz> osmonde: hence why my first comment to your original question was you could stop calling her "your woman" ... "old lady" isn't much better
[10:35] <Anomie211> On Windows, when you hold the scroll wheel down and move the mouse down lower the page will scroll itself, anyway to do this in Ubuntu? Can't see any sort of options in the 'Mouse & Touchpad' bit
[10:35] <osmonde> lol
[10:35] <nvz> rarely can technology solve a relationship problem if ever
[10:35] <osmonde> shes 89
[10:35] <osmonde> not really...I mean..my wonderful wife
[10:36] <gappie> n97087 : can you auto login on console mode boot?
[10:36] <osmonde> No the relation ship i use nortan antibitch on...its reaally expensive and comes bundled with red lobster
[10:36] <gappie> this is for an autonomous system
[10:36] <nvz> heh
[10:36] <gmzlj> gappie: yes
[10:37] <gappie> gmzlj : how? a link would help please
[10:37] <gmzlj> gappie: google :P
[10:37] <ActionParsnip> !google
[10:37] <gmzlj> gappie: edit /etc/event.d/ttyX
[10:37] <n97087> gappie, I do not know off hand
[10:38] <gappie> what I want is boot to console mode, auto login, run shell script auto shutdown after x hours. possible?
[10:38] <gmzlj> gappie: add --autologin <user> to the command line
[10:38] <n97087> gappie, yes use cron
[10:38] <osmonde> I kid...I kid...anywho    SECURE DELETE i will be looking into..thx
[10:38] <gmzlj> gappie: for that, you shouldn't be doing it like that
[10:38] <ActionParsnip> gappie: you can use cron to run stuff at boot, or add the reference in /etc/rc.local     You shouldn't have to log in, you can run stuff in the background
[10:38] <gappie> n97087 : cron for?
[10:39] <gmzlj> gappie: just start your command via upstart
[10:39] <gmzlj> gappie: and thats it
[10:39] <gappie> gmzlj : upstart?
[10:39] <gmzlj> gappie: how ubuntu starts services
[10:40] <gappie> gmzlj : so do i edit something for upstart to work?
[10:40] <gmzlj> gappie: whats the command you want to run?
[10:40] <gmzlj> gappie: read some documentation, there's plenty of it a google away
[10:40] <gappie> well i want to run a shell script with some code
[10:40] <gmzlj> gappie: when?
[10:40] <gappie> on startup
[10:40] <gmzlj> and why shutdown afterwords?
[10:41] <gappie> before battery of system flat
[10:41] <gappie> for save shutdown
[10:41] <gmzlj> gappie: rc.local then
[10:41] <dr_willis> gappie:  and how often are you wanting to do this?
[10:41] <gappie> once in  week or so
[10:41] <gappie> it is a raodside system
[10:42] <gmzlj> gappie: how does this computer get turned on? im not sure i understand the utility of this
[10:42] <gappie> i tried clean debian, but i know ubuntu
[10:42] <dr_willis> gappie:  you want to manually controll it? you could set up rc.local to do it..
[10:43] <gappie> the user will install the device on a pole, flip a switch, and the system starts working for 3 hours or so
[10:43] <dr_willis> rc.local then could do it..
[10:43] <gappie> ok best place to start reading on rc.local?
[10:44] <gmzlj> google
[10:44] <gmzlj> but its just a bash script
[10:44] <gappie> i google myself to death, so then I camehere
[10:44] <oCean> gmzlj: don'
[10:44] <oCean> gmzlj: don't suggest google here, thanks
[10:44] <dr_willis> yea theres not a lot to read on rc.local
[10:45] <gmzlj> oCean: i told him is was a bash script
[10:45] <dr_willis> its a bash script ran as root at the end of the boot process.
[10:45] <gappie> ok so I add my code in rc.local
[10:45] <gmzlj> if he doesn't know bash he's going to have to do some reading
[10:45] <dr_willis> You sould like you are totally not needing any thing but a custome boot up.
[10:45] <gappie> to launch my shell script
[10:47] <gappie> i installed the full ubuntu desktop version and changed it to boot to console mode. Is there a better way of getting a console boot system?
[10:48] <gmzlj> server install
[10:48] <gmzlj> minimal install
[10:48] <gmzlj> can't remember what its called
[10:48] <Firedog> text mode install
[10:48] <timo_b> hello everybody
[10:48] <Firedog> hello timo_b
[10:49] <timo_b> I'm using 11.10 (amd64). Default install with unity
[10:49] <timo_b> it feels a bit lazy
[10:49] <darshan> i am using "find / -name en" command to find a file ,but it is searching me and giving an directory..tell me the perfect command to find a file with name en
[10:49] <timo_b> I'm running 10.10 on my Lenovo S10-3 and it's fast as hell
[10:50] <Firedog> Is there anywhere that the karmic apt archives are stored in their last state? or have they been deleted from the internet?
[10:50] <deej1976> "find / -name en -type f"
[10:50] <gmzlj> darshan: -type f
[10:50] <timo_b> I already switched from compiz to metacity, but it's still slow
[10:50] <gmzlj> darshan: man find has everything you need in there
[10:51] <darshan> gmzlj-wat r u saying plz explain it
[10:52] <dr_willis> the name of the file is just 'en' ? thats it?
[10:52] <gmzlj> darshan: man find
[10:53] <gmzlj> darshan: man is the manual command
[10:53] <gmzlj> darshan: just saying all this stuff is documented
[10:54] <deej1976> darshan: "find / -name en -type f"
[10:54] <Firedog> darshan, you can use grep if you are searching for a partial filename and you want an easy solution
[10:54] <gmzlj> darshan: yes
[10:54] <gmzlj> darshan: if en is part of the filename use *en*
[10:54] <gmzlj> otherwise it matches exactly en
[10:54] <mmv> '*en*', even
[10:55] <Firedog> Is there anywhere that the karmic apt archives are stored in their last state? or have they been deleted from the internet?
[10:56] <Firedog> most mirrors giving 404 now
[10:56] <gmzlj> Firedog: maybe theres a working mirror?
[10:56] <Firedog> I am hoping so, I will then mirror it
[10:56] <gmzlj> Firedog: script it
[10:57] <Firedog> hmm ... thinks
[10:57] <gmzlj> Firedog: or google for exact matches on package filenames
[10:57] <deej1976> !oldrelease
[10:57] <gmzlj> Firedog: curl is your friend here
[10:58] <Firedog> deej1976 :)
[10:59] <deej1976> Firedog: Theres docs for old system, can't remember search crit
[10:59] <Firedog> gmzlj I can see what you are suggesting with curl and I could hammer something together that will do the deed on all known mirrors but deej1976 is suggesting an official old version thing
[11:00] <deej1976> !eol |Firedog
[11:00] <gmzlj> well if you want to see if any mirror still has old packages
[11:00] <gmzlj> just try to grab something from each one until you find one thats working
[11:01] <gmzlj> their has to be an out-of-date mirror somewhere
[11:01] <Firedog> I know, I knew it was coming but I forgot that that meant the repositories would disappear and leave me with no software. Updates are not important, just the archive.
[11:02] <gmzlj> Firedog: make sure you grab everything you need if you do find a mirror then :P
[11:02] <Firedog> I agree gmzlj ther probably will be one that has not updated :P
[11:02] <zaffy> try here http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/
[11:03] <deej1976> Firedog: http://tinyurl.com/c5cq4mv
[11:03] <max> jfdf
[11:03] <Firedog> @zaffy, got-it
[11:04] <skilz> Gnome-osd doesnt work in fluxbox?
[11:04] <Richar_MA> Hello everyone,It seems that freenode.net has been blocked in China.
[11:04] <skilz> Im after something to show volume status and caps lock status ect
[11:05] <gmzlj> Richar_MA: suprise suprise
[11:05] <skilz> with nice green osd
[11:05] <linexp> hi all
[11:05] <linexp> hi all
[11:05] <linexp> regards
[11:05] <MechanisM> hello ppl anyone have problems with skype? seems like after microsoft bought skype they want to crash linux systems with linux version of skype/
[11:05] <Firedog> zaffy and deej1976: oldreleases are originals, not the latest mirrors.
[11:05] <gmzlj> MechanisM: works for me
[11:06] <deej1976> Firedog: You should probably look at upgrading. 9.10 is no longer supported
[11:06] <MechanisM> gmzlj skype causing a lot of dependency problems in my ubuntu
[11:06] <zaffy> Firedog, even http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/   ?
[11:06] <gmzlj> MechanisM: thats a different problem
[11:07] <gappie> gmzlj : what about auto shutdown after x hours? is that also possible? someother placelike rc.local I can add code?
[11:07] <MechanisM> anyone knows why ubuntu.com/testing doesn't offers anymore testing versions?
[11:08] <gmzlj> gappie: yeah, but kinda silly
[11:08] <gmzlj> gappie: what if someone is using the machine?
[11:08] <jwtiyar> i have both windows and ubuntu , now i want to extend my ubuntu storage , how ?
[11:08] <gmzlj> gappie: but cron would be what your looking for
[11:08] <giommy25> hello
[11:08] <gappie> no one will. it is specific to requirements of project
[11:09] <gappie> ok thanks
[11:09] <gappie> so i google just cron
[11:09] <deej1976> MechanisM: Try asking in #ubuntu-testing
[11:09] <MechanisM> deej it's #ubuntu+1 I think
[11:10] <MechanisM> testing ubuntu channel
[11:10] <deej1976> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO sayes: Find help on #ubuntu-testing
[11:11] <jayesh_> unity desktop seems to be bit hard  to use.alt + F2 is not that easy.no panel widgets
[11:11] <jwtiyar> i have both windows and ubuntu , now i want to extend my ubuntu storage , how ?
[11:11] <jayesh_> is there anything I miss on this?
[11:11] <deej1976> MechanisM: Are you after this: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[11:12] <MechanisM> ohh thanxx
[11:15] <michaelaa> does anyone use paltalk
[11:15] <Richar_MA> failed to connect irc.freenode.net using pidgin.
[11:16] <gmzlj> Richar_MA: that's your problem right there: pidgin for irc
[11:16] <gmzlj> :P
[11:16] <kandinski> hi, is there a way to change between unity and unity 2d without closing all programs and logging out?
[11:16] <kandinski> (and vice-versa)
[11:18] <Firedog> OK, I found a mirror that still has karmic on it. Now because of the pool / dist layout I need to figure out a way of mirroring only the karmic bit
[11:20] <Exxon> Richar_MA, try changing the connection port no by default its 6667, try 8001
[11:22] <edakiri> What are install options to use the Debian (a.k.a. "alternative") installer for the current release?
[11:23] <Sidewinder1> Appears as though the floodbots are going ape-hockey, again. :-(
[11:24] <gmzlj> Firedog: rsync
[11:24] <Firedog> I think I need to filter out the channel mechanics just to see what real people are saying
[11:25] <Firedog> gmzlj: rsync, maybe. i have found apt-mirror and investigating
[11:25] <edakiri> Firedog, what do you mean 'mechanics'?
[11:25] <gmzlj> Firedog: what irc client? weechat?
[11:25] <gmzlj> or xchat?
[11:26] <gmzlj> i can give you a hand
[11:26] <Sidewinder1> Firedog, Nah, this should be temporary, at least 'til one of the Ops fixes the prob..
[11:26] <gmzlj> edakiri: hide join/part messages
[11:26] <edakiri> gmzlj, xchat can filter those?  how?
[11:26] <aascensao> s
[11:26] <Firedog> it is xchat
[11:26] <llutz> edakiri: rightclick on channel-tab, settings
[11:26] <edakiri> Firedog, that is the job of the IRC client.
[11:26] <gmzlj> can't remember offhand: google "xchat confrence mode" and it should be first hit
[11:27] <gmzlj> you should hit the faq
[11:27] <edakiri> that was it.
[11:27] <Exxon> bye
[11:27] <amitprakash> How do I pull a bzr repo from launchpad?
[11:28] <Firedog> got it, conference mode on: thanks guys, and gals
[11:28] <gmzlj> for weechat google "smart filter"
[11:28] <gmzlj> Firedog: np
[11:29] <_Rod2k> Guys I need some serious help here...I got GeoVision to work out on Linux but I messed up with it and I now realize I just deleted some video files from the Geovision app...is there a way to restore those deleted files?
[11:30] <_Rod2k> Look I know this is not the place to address this issue but I REALLY need someone to point me to the right direction...I need Anyone who knows something about geovision, please?
[11:31] <gmzlj> _Rod2k: install it?
[11:31] <szal> _Rod2k: if I get you correctly, GeoVision is not even a Linux app, so it's certainly not a *buntu app, and we don't do non-linux app support
[11:31] <_Rod2k> Guys it's not about whether it runs on which OS, I managed to make it to run using WINE but I accidentally removed some video files.
[11:32] <gmzlj> _Rod2k: reinstall it
[11:32] <edakiri> amitprakash, bazaar has its own channel, as does launchpad.  "bzr branch lp:projectname" --IIRC
[11:32] <_Rod2k> gmzlj Already tried it
[11:32] <gmzlj> _Rod2k: you can't undelete
[11:34] <Sidewinder1> _Rod2k, Also there's the #winehq channel.
[11:36] <slartibartfast> *
[11:37] <Firedog> apt-mirror indicates that just for amd64 archive 21.7GB of files will be downloaded :)
[11:37] <Firedog> no it's 27.1
[11:38] <gmzlj> hey back
[11:38] <gmzlj> sorry
[11:38] <deej1976> Firedog: Do you need all of the mirror?
[11:38] <gmzlj> _Rod2k: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec
[11:38] <gmzlj> sorry, accidently killed my client
[11:38] <Firedog> deej1976: what I need is for upgrading to the latest version not to mess up my computer then I might do it more often
[11:39] <lyw> hello
[11:39] <lyw> hello world
[11:40] <Firedog> ubuntu upgrade mess around with config files change the way the desktop looks and generally meck about with your system so you spend the next few months putting it back bit by bit
[11:40] <Sidewinder1> lyw, Mornin'.
[11:40] <deej1976> Firedog: You will probably be ok upto and including 11.04
[11:41] <Sidewinder1> !pm > lyw
[11:41] <Firedog> I also happen to get on well with GNOME 2 and compiz and last time from jaunty really messed this up and also changed automount policy, sound driver (pulse!), samba config, NFS exports.  Unity is horrible. Its like system 7 or something
[11:44] <deej1976> Firedog: Have you looked at xubuntu/lubuntu ?
[11:45] <gmzlj> Firedog: gnome3 maybe?
[11:45] <Firedog> yes, better, but gnome 2 is what I like. I think Mint and also Suse are hanging on to gnome2 suse is rpm though (eugh!)
[11:46] <Firedog> gnome3 is not good
[11:46] <gmzlj> suse has gnome 3, iirc
[11:46] <deej1976> Firedog: Mint is using a fork called Mate
[11:46] <gmzlj> they may just still over gnome 2
[11:46] <MonkeyDust> MATE is unstable
[11:46] <gmzlj> deej1976: no, they offer both
[11:46] <gmzlj> its not just unstable, its dead end too
[11:46] <Firedog> there is, of course, debian :)
[11:46] <gmzlj> one guy replacing a whole team?
[11:47] <gmzlj> Firedog: gnome 3 is inevitable there
[11:47] <gmzlj> its in unstable already
[11:48] <Firedog> I think by trying to improve gnome integration with gnome3 they actually made it less configurable
[11:48] <Richard_MA1> ok, I can join freenode.net now.
[11:48] <Firedog> :)
[11:48] <gmzlj> Firedog: who? gnome or ubuntu?
[11:48] <szal> gmzlj: afaics, openSUSE 12.1 comes w/ exactly 2 packages for Gnome 2
[11:48] <Firedog> gnome
[11:49] <gmzlj> what do you mean integration?
[11:49] <gmzlj> gnome 3 is a step back, for sure, but thats because its a fresh start and still a work in progress
[11:49] <Firedog> between components of gnome
[11:49] <gmzlj> compare gnome 2.30 with 2.0
[11:49] <gmzlj> Firedog: nah, i love it :P
[11:50] <gmzlj> new gedit and chat apps look increadible
[11:50] <gmzlj> and boxes looks sick
[11:50] <Firedog> thing is, I have a system which works the way I want it to. It would be nice to use more up-to-date software too in parts. Its a real dilemma
[11:50] <gmzlj> Firedog: sounds like you should try a rolling release
[11:51] <Firedog> like debian?
[11:51] <szal> since when is Debian rolling-release?
[11:51] <gmzlj> archlinux?
[11:51] <gmzlj> szal: debian testing/unstable almost is
[11:51] <Firedog> szal, ok, but testing is always.. yah you said it already
[11:52] <gmzlj> Firedog: your statemen up there is pretty much the archlinux manifesto :P
[11:53] <MonkeyDust> why not work with beta testers
[11:54] <Firedog> gmzlj: I am looking in to this now :))
[11:54] <Firedog> aptosid is a rolling release of sid
[11:55] <Firedog> according to wikipedia
[11:56] <leejohn> ) leejohn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/783598 anyone know if this fix is also applicable for OpenLDAP ?
[11:56] <ActionParsnip> leejohn: if someone knew a fix, the bug would be closed
[11:56] <leejohn> lightdm doesn't prompt a user that his/her credential is expired, instead it just prompt for a new password change request
[11:57] <Firedog> nice to learn something new; arch sounds interesting but maybe not for me.
[11:58] <Firedog> a debian base is the way forward in my opinion.
[11:59] <ActionParsnip> Firedog: try xpud too, its small and extremely fast (boots in 4 seconds here)
[11:59] <gmzlj> Firedog: theres also gentoo
[11:59] <gmzlj> !gentoo
[11:59] <gmzlj> oh
[11:59] <gmzlj> i expected something snide
[12:00] <Sidewinder1> She is rerely snide..
[12:00] <Sidewinder1> rarely, even.
[12:00] <pulpfiction> good morning everyone
[12:00] <Sidewinder1> Mornin'.
[12:01] <Richard_MA> who am i?
[12:01] <deej1976> !ot | Richard_MA
[12:01] <pulpfiction> i have a really simple question: how do i set the hardware clock to GMT and then set my ubuntu clock to the timezone i am?
[12:01] <pulpfiction> i have another SO installed and everytime i correct the time on one of them, the other gets wrong
[12:02] <Sidewinder1> !rootirc | Richard_MA
[12:02] <Firedog> gentoo is nice, I think I prefer a system where some of the work is taken out by sensible decision making.
[12:03] <gmzlj> Firedog: arch :P. /trolling
[12:04]  * Sidewinder1 Sighs..
[12:05] <Firedog> ;) seriously though. compiz and gnome 2 looks so good (especially cube desktop switching); its frustrating that there is a step backwards. Videos play on 3D textures and windows are dynamic even when moving, etc, etc
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> Firedog: shame gnome2 is dead
[12:06] <gmzlj> Firedog: technically that last part holds now for mutter and kwin and anything modern
[12:06] <gmzlj> as they're all composing window managers
[12:06] <gmzlj> the cube shit was kool
[12:06] <gmzlj> *cool
[12:06] <crizzy> Firedog: gnome3 fallback mode more or less works like gnome2
[12:06] <gmzlj> but at least you can still run compiz with xfce
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> or use xfce4 with compiz as WM
[12:06] <crizzy> biggest diff i noticed is you have to hold alt to 2nd click on applets :P
[12:07] <gmzlj> crizzy: and its a change for the better
[12:07] <Firedog> crizzy, but not with compiz.
[12:07] <crizzy> Firedog: false
[12:07] <gmzlj> gnome-panel in gnome 2 was actually crap
[12:07] <gmzlj> libbonabo everywhere
[12:07] <crizzy> Firedog: works just fine
[12:07] <gmzlj> that was depreciated ages ago
[12:07] <Firedog> I have seen unity with compiz and the side panel did not go with the rest of the desktop
[12:07] <gmzlj> Firedog: works fine. fallback mode is still metacity
[12:08] <DemoOn> what is uo with that from live usb everything works great, but when i install it it doesn't work?
[12:08] <Firedog> DemoOn, probably drivers, generic ones are used on live usb
[12:08] <crizzy> gmzlj: it works with compiz just fine. ubuntu even adds session for this, 'gnome classic' and 'gnome classic (noeffects)' just like before when you install gnome
[12:08] <DemoOn> Firedog: how can i make it to work with generic ones?
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> DemoOn: what doesn't work? What is 'it'?
[12:09] <Firedog> DemoOn, you probably don't want to use generic drivers in the long run.
[12:10] <DemoOn> ActionParsnip: it hangs on splash screen, i see only violet screen, now i tried kubuntu and it's same
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> DemoOn: what GPU do you use?
[12:10] <DemoOn> ActionParsnip: radeon 6850
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> DemoOn: try the boot option:  nomodeset
[12:11] <DemoOn> ActionParsnip: where can i put it?
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> DemoOn: or the boot option:  radeon.nomodeset=1
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> !bootoption
[12:12] <yousifabdullah> Hello from webOS :)
[12:12] <DemoOn> ActionParsnip: can i put that nomodest into grub somewhere?
[12:13] <Firedog> fortunately I installed windows 7 beta in my second partition (same size as first) this has since expired so I might use this space to try and hammer the latest ubuntu into some usable form. -pulse +window controls on right not left +compiz -unity
[12:14] <gmzlj> Firedog: -pulse simple isn't doable
[12:14] <gmzlj> even if its gnome 2
[12:14] <gmzlj> and hasn't been for some time
[12:14] <Firedog> pulse is horrible
[12:14] <gmzlj> pulse is awesome. its just misunderstood
[12:14] <Firedog> I changed back to alsa because it works Pulse just made aweful noises
[12:15] <gmzlj> Firedog: turn of cpu schedualing in /etc/pulse/system.pa
[12:15] <gmzlj> but thats alsa's fault
[12:16] <gmzlj> 80% of audio problems in pulse are alsa's fault with less than stellar audio drivers
[12:16] <Firedog> With pulse; I thought it simply did not get along with my sound card.
[12:16] <norpan> How can i configure ubuntu to discover ALL my cores? I just discover ONE! im running i7 with ubuntu 11.10 and have to boot with "noapic nolapic" because it wont boot otherwise
[12:16] <gmzlj> pulseaudio uses cpu timers for audio, like mac's core audio or windows 7 subsystem
[12:17] <Firedog> The one reason I wanted a windows install was for good audio drivers.
[12:17] <gmzlj> its a modern approach thats more flexiable, allows for variable latency demands simotaneously, and uses less power
[12:17] <Firedog> norpan, it should automatically
[12:17] <norpan> Firedog: its not ;(
[12:17] <gmzlj> traditionally, sound card interupts where used
[12:17] <Firedog> norpan it's part of the kernel code
[12:18] <norpan> Firedog: well whats wrong then? :S
[12:18] <gmzlj> pulse, thus, uses a lot of alsa api that almost never gets used to get access to the raw audio buffers
[12:18] <gmzlj> and broken alsa drivers where and are problematic
[12:18] <gmzlj> but this feature atleast is configuratble
[12:18] <wolfric> my gnome config is screwed up since upgrading. the task bar is at the top of the screen under the bar with "applications + places". I tried deleting the gconf, gconfd compiz dirs and restarting but it didn't fix it. When i create a new user however, it isn't screwed up on theirs. what do i need to change to get it back to default
[12:19] <gmzlj> Firedog: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GlitchFreeAudio
[12:19] <gmzlj> Firedog: ctrl-f tsched
[12:20] <gmzlj> wolfric: screenshot? im confused
[12:20] <gmzlj> wolfric: delete .dconf too
[12:20] <Firedog> gmzlj, you sound like you know a lot about pulse. I am becoming convinced that it could be good. I did find the lack of hardware controls under pulse to be limiting. Alsamixer has more buttons and controllers than you can shake a sheikh at.
[12:20] <gmzlj> wolfric: ~/.config/dconf
[12:21] <sburwood1> Can I change an antenna on a USB wifi key and get better recepton??
[12:21] <gmzlj> Firedog: that is true. those are there, kinda, its just a bit more complicated. and the default gnome-sound-panel doesn't expost everything.
[12:21] <gmzlj> typical gnome simplness
[12:21] <sburwood1> I have a TP-LINK tl-wn722N
[12:22] <gmzlj> sburwood1: yes, but it may not be simple
[12:22] <Firedog> sburwood1: yes you CAN
[12:22] <wolfric> getting a screenshot now
[12:22] <wolfric> gmzlj: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/84/screenshotproblem.png/
[12:22] <iceroot> sburwood1: ##hardare
[12:23] <iceroot> sburwood1: ##hardware
[12:23] <sburwood1> Firedog: for a newbien like me, would it be easy?
[12:23] <sburwood1> thx iceroot
[12:24] <gmzlj> wolfric: is that gnome 2 or 3?
[12:24] <Firedog> sburwood1:  http://lmgtfy.com/?q=change+antenna+on+wifi+dongle
[12:24] <bazhang> Firedog, please dont use lmgtfy
[12:24] <wolfric> gmzlj: 2
[12:25] <gmzlj> right click -> move panel won't work?
[12:25] <Firedog> bazhang: got-it :P
[12:25] <republic> anyone know the official irc channel for tuxpaint?
[12:25] <Firedog> it is funny though
[12:26] <gmzlj> republic: tux4kids
[12:26] <republic> gmzlj, fantastic, thanks dude :D
[12:26] <wolfric> gmzlj: cheers fixed now
[12:26] <gmzlj> republic: its on their site
[12:27] <wolfric> gmzlj: still can't right click any more though... is this a "feature" ?
[12:27] <gmzlj> wolfric: gnome 3 fallback?
[12:27] <gmzlj> alt+right click
[12:28] <wolfric> gmzlj: good grief, why was that implemented?
[12:29] <gmzlj> wolfric: because otherwise its ambigious what gets the right click, the applet or the panel
[12:29] <gmzlj> take right clicking on a system tray icon
[12:30] <DemoOn> with nomodeset i can only do something using ctrl+alt+f1, what can i try else?
[12:30] <gmzlj> sometimes it tricky finding a place where right click would give you the panel's right click menu
[12:30] <gmzlj> its an old gnome bug
[12:30] <Firedog> gmzlj: we need more mouse buttons, oh wait I found more
[12:30] <gmzlj> Firedog: middle click and mouse wheel work too!
[12:30] <Firedog> :)
[12:31] <gmzlj> middle click closes windows (iirc, that may be xfce)
[12:31] <gmzlj> but scroll wheel will cycle through them
[12:31] <Firedog> it does on the task bar which can be irritating if scrolling through a document and the mouse wanders over the task bar
[12:31] <wolfric> also, how do i remove the guest account
[12:32] <wolfric> i've tried to remove gdm-guest-session and it says it's not installed however if i do dpkg -l | grep guest.. it shows it installed
[12:32] <wolfric> i even installed it and removed it and no difference... can still login with guest
[12:33] <gmzlj> wolfric: http://shuffleos.com/3614/how-to-disable-guest-session-in-ubuntu-11-10-oneiric-ocelot/
[12:33] <gmzlj> i know you're not supposed to say go google it
[12:33] <gmzlj> but thats something people have written article about
[12:33] <gmzlj> google is your friend
[12:34] <Firedog> I found that out just :P
[12:34] <gmzlj> yeah
[12:34] <Firedog> with the lmgtfy advice
[12:34] <gmzlj> i can respect it
[12:34] <MonkeyDust> google knows more about you, than you know about yourself ;)
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> wolfric: http://joesteiger.com/2011/11/14/remove-guest-session-from-lightdm-login-ubuntu-11-10/
[12:34] <gmzlj> but i think its just a touch silly as a blanket rule
[12:35]  * Sidewinder1 Prefers Scroogle..
[12:35] <MonkeyDust> bekka
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> wolfric: removing and reinstalling will not change the config magically
[12:35] <gmzlj> duckduckgoose
[12:35] <MonkeyDust> blekka*
[12:35] <Firedog> agreed, perhaps a rtfg or something instead
[12:35] <gmzlj> *duckduckgo
[12:35] <wolfric> ActionParsnip: thanks
[12:35] <gmzlj> alright sleep time
[12:36] <Firedog> thanks for your help
[12:36] <Firedog> gmzlj: it's appreciated
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> wolfric: simple websearch...
[12:36] <wolfric> ActionParsnip: i did, it came up with removing exactly what i specified
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> wolfric: http://duckduckgo.com/?q=oneiric+remove+guest+from+lightdm&kp=1    is what I used
[12:37] <republic> wow tuxpaint is amazing
[12:37] <wolfric> ActionParsnip: and where would i have gotten lightdm from?
[12:37] <republic> tuxpaint + ubuntu is very suitable for children
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> wolfric: its the default login manager in oneiric
[12:37] <wolfric> ActionParsnip: google "ubuntu remove guest" both the forum and this link both say the package removal
[12:38] <wolfric> http://askubuntu.com/questions/28165/how-do-i-remove-the-guest-session-option-from-the-shutdown-menu
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> wolfric: too generic, you should specify the release in searches
[12:38] <mint> part
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> republic: enable the funky sounds too. good times
[12:39] <wolfric> ActionParsnip: so you can see why getting that from a websearch is sometimes not an easy task
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> wolfric: depends how you search, keep them simple but exact
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> wolfric: even:   oneiric remove guest    would have been better
[12:41] <wolfric> ActionParsnip: no, you need to pretty much know the answers or have seen the answers already.  new user is never going to know they need to necessarily google the release version. If i get an answer without the release version, what would make me think it was incorrect
[12:42] <Firedog> It seems silly that there is no simple function to do what wolfric wanted to do that was already defined, as a script or whatever.
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> wolfric: its why using 2 search engines is good, different methods, different results
[12:42] <famgod> question, in gome3 how do I move icons form the gome3 bar (or unity) to the   deskktop\
[12:42] <|Long|> i need ome help with hardware (like merging 10 hard drives to one VLM) plz help
[12:43] <Firedog> ActionParsnip, bing?
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> Firedog: sure, why not :)
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> famgod: one way is to copy (or symlink) the files in /usr/share/applications   to the desktop
[12:43] <Firedog> I can give you my anecdotal experience of bing. its just a shame it's not better than it is in my opinion.
[12:44] <ActionParsnip> Firedog: try a few search engines and you'll get a lot of different results, which can help resolutions
[12:44] <Firedog> to be fair, bing is the only contender left so I hope they do well in the long run. No competition is a scary prospect
[12:45] <ActionParsnip> indeed
[12:45] <ActionParsnip> I use duckduckgo as it doesn't bubble you and you get unfiltered results, unlink google
[12:45] <ActionParsnip> *unlike
[12:45] <Firedog> unlink makes sense too :)
[12:46] <wolfric> Firedog: the only reason it's good is that it leeches searches from google ( google proved it). I'd hazzard a guess they may not be doing it any more but when they were, they harvested a good amount of results from google to get them started
[12:47] <Firedog> wolfric: if they were that good by using google then I wonder how they would have been without them :o
[12:48] <wolfric> http://pastebin.com/2xPAMykC
[12:49] <wolfric> love it :p
[12:52] <rj11> Hello
[12:53] <rj11> Are there any doxygen packages available without the incredible overhead of tex? I want doxygen without the latex support.
[12:53] <ActionParsnip> wolfric: sudo apt-key adv --recv-key --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com 40976EAF437D05B5
[12:54] <HugoDaniel> hi
[12:54] <HugoDaniel> i love unity :)
[12:54] <HugoDaniel> its amazing
[12:54] <wolfric> ActionParsnip: cheers though i found the bug report on it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/24061
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> HugoDaniel: yeah, s'not bad
[12:54] <HugoDaniel> once you get used to it, things really flow like they should :)
[12:54] <luca_bi> Do you think SilverStripe could be installed on Ubuntu 11.10?
[12:54] <Firedog> ActionParsnip; the bubble thing is a real pain and I dislike it greatly. I tried various userscripts to remove it from google, they did not work reliably
[12:55] <HugoDaniel> bubble ?
[12:55] <HugoDaniel> in firefox ?
[12:55] <Firedog> HugoDaniel: search engines
[12:56] <HugoDaniel> ah
[12:56] <HugoDaniel> yes
[12:56] <HugoDaniel> duckduckgo is a nice one though
[12:56] <deej1976> luca_bi: http://www.silverstripe.org/stable-download Sayes Linux
[12:56] <HugoDaniel> or scroogle
[12:56] <HugoDaniel> :)
[12:56] <FloodBot1> HugoDaniel: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[12:56] <HugoDaniel> oh sorry, im typing too fast
[12:57] <luca_bi> deej1976: I'm downloading it It's a file tar.gz which is the successive command?
[12:57] <HugoDaniel> i really like the bang keywords of duckduckgo, its a nice search engine to keep in firefox ctrl-k
[12:57] <deej1976> luca_bi: Works pretty much with any system/webserver running php
[12:57] <deej1976> successive?
[12:57] <luca_bi> How can I install a file tar.gz?
[12:58] <rj11> luca_bi: You don't install a tar.gz file. What you do with it depends on its contents.
[12:58] <deej1976> luca_bi: Read their instructions here: http://doc.silverstripe.org/sapphire/en/
[12:59] <luca_bi> rj11: It's SilverStripe
[12:59] <rj11> luca_bi: tar zxf the-file.tar.gz to unpack it. :)
[12:59] <deej1976> luca_bi: It's not part of Ubuntu so I can not offer any further help
[13:02] <luca_bi> rj11: My problem is that I never remember the command to unpack a file
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> wolfric: HugoDaniel yeah, its sweet like that
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> luca_bi: install unp and its abstracted to a single command
[13:03] <rj11> luca_bi: Just do 'man 1 tar' the next time. At the bottom there are a few examples. :)
[13:03] <Firedog> HugoDaniel: yes duckduckgo and scroogle; I am investigating them now
[13:03] <Firedog> also @ actionparsnip
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> I've used the duck for ages. great engine
[13:04] <deej1976> luca_bi: 'Admin hint' When given commands to use make a note of it in a little book.
[13:05] <deej1976> luca_bi: I did this when I started out, watching over the senior Admins shoulder
[13:05] <luca_bi> deej1976: Is there a chat channel IRC for SilverStripe??
[13:05] <luca_bi> What is unp??
[13:06] <deej1976> luca_bi: No idea, they have a forum on their site
[13:06] <ActionParsnip> luca_bi: its a one stop shop command for extracting nearly anything
[13:06] <luca_bi> rj11: man 1 tar??
[13:06] <axisys> how to play video dvd ?
[13:06] <aruncn1> i am trying to switch to runlevel 3 from gui. tried "telinit 3". I am still in gui, but "runlevel" says 3. any ideas?
[13:06] <ActionParsnip> luca_bi: saves having to remember if its zxvf or jxvf or if you use 7z or rar, its one command for all
[13:06] <ActionParsnip> !dvd | axisys
[13:06] <Firedog> Annoying how privacy is non existent when searching with google. even worse is that they are building a profile all the time and there is no opt-out through them.
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> !runlevel | aruncn1
[13:07] <rj11> luca_bi: Try 'man 1 tar' in a terminal.
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> Firedog: doesn't worry me personally
[13:07] <norpan> How can i configure ubuntu to discover ALL my cores? I just discover ONE! im running i7 with ubuntu 11.10 and have to boot with "noapic nolapic" because it wont boot otherwise
[13:07] <axisys> ActionParsnip: thanks
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> norpan: do you have the latest BIOS?
[13:09] <luca_bi> deej1976: I have a book in which I take notes thanks a lot of commands but i should order it
[13:09] <pr0d> Hi all, i have a strange problem where my ntfs partition will not mount on boot but when the system starts i do mount -a and it works fine, any ideas?
[13:09] <rj11> luca_bi: man = short for manual.
[13:09] <luca_bi> deej1976: It is a very good advice I have a lot of booknotes each for each programs
[13:10] <kamilnadeem> HI
[13:10] <Firedog> ActionParsnip: its the all pervasiveness of it. google syndication scripts as well as google api's google ad services and statistics are bundled into so many webpages nowadays. It's creepy
[13:10] <DemonWitch> hey
[13:11] <luca_bi> ActionParnship: what is zxf file?
[13:11] <aruncn1> ubottu: so how can i goto text mode from gui?  removing init-script for gdm? i like to do it without removing the script so that if i like to boot in gui i don't have to re-enable script
[13:11] <rj11> luca_bi: z = gzip, x = extract, f = file. It's the command tar executes.
[13:12] <Firedog> lucia_bi: it is command options not a file
[13:12] <aruncn1> ubottu: ;)
[13:12] <kamilnadeem> http://i.imgur.com/bYNtt.jpg
[13:12] <luca_bi> rj11: Extract all files from archive.tar.
[13:12] <luca_bi>            tar -xf archive.tar
[13:12] <rj11> luca_bi: See 'man 1 tar' for details. It's all explained there.
[13:12] <kamilnadeem> I am getting the above while bumping my mouse to the screen , every time
[13:12] <kamilnadeem> why is that and is there a fix?
[13:12] <rj11> luca_bi: Yes, and you're tar is gzipped, so add the z: tar zxf file.tar.gz (the - is optional).
[13:12] <rj11> your*
[13:13] <like_summer> ？
[13:13] <like_summer> hello ？
[13:13] <like_summer> is there anyone here ?
[13:13] <kamilnadeem> the effect is like when you drag windows to edges but In this case I am not doing any such thing http://i.imgur.com/bYNtt.jpg
[13:14] <ActionParsnip> luca_bi: its the options on tar to extract a gzipped tarball, file extensions in Linux mean near zero, so 'zxf file' is meaningless
[13:14] <luca_bi> rj11: tar zxf is not a universal command for each file .tar?
[13:14] <DemonWitch> Hey
[13:14] <axisys> ActionParsnip: I ran both .. sudo apt-get install libdvdread4 and sudo /usr/share/doc/libdvdread4/install-css.sh
[13:14] <pr0d> Hi all, i have a strange problem where my ntfs partition will not mount on boot but when the system starts i do mount -a and it works fine, any ideas?
[13:14] <axisys> but still failing.. saying searching for plugins
[13:14] <ActionParsnip> luca_bi: if you install the unp package, with ANY archive, you can run:  unp filename    and it will extract 'filename'
[13:15] <DemonWitch> i am piping a stream to VLC from terminal, should i use ( | vlc ) or (  | vlc - )  ??
[13:15] <ActionParsnip> axisys: which players have you tried?
[13:15] <shi-tianlong> should i set the user of ww flder to www-data in order to allow apache to create modify files on websites inside?
[13:15] <axisys> ActionParsnip: mplayer vcd:///dev/sr0
[13:15] <user_> Hi
[13:15] <ActionParsnip> axisys: tried totem or vlc?
[13:16] <user_> can i install ubuntu 11.10 on mac laptop?
[13:16] <axisys> ActionParsnip: how do I call vlc ?
[13:16] <rj11> luca_bi: Read the man page. It explains it.
[13:17] <axisys> ActionParsnip: how do I call it with vlc? http://pastebin.com/hSjJ6rUw
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> axisys: install it like a normal package then from the file menu click 'open disk'
[13:17] <kamilnadeem> is there any fix for it >?
[13:17] <like_summer> 我晕。这里是哪里啊？
[13:19] <luca_bi> rj11: which is the difference between tar and gzip?
[13:19] <Kiranos> hi I have a qt app which has flashing icon in tasktray, this works in windows and xfce, but in unity tasktray it stays solid, no flashing or changing icon image in the unity launcher
[13:20] <Kiranos> is this not supported?
[13:20] <shi-tianlong> like_summer: 中文 ubuntu-cn
[13:20] <like_summer> 米有淫说汉语吗
[13:20] <shi-tianlong> like_summer: 中文 去 -》 #ubuntu-cn
[13:20] <psycho_oreos> !cn| like_summer
[13:20] <ActionParsnip> luca_bi: tar makes everything into one file but is not compressed, gzip is just a compression tool, you can use anything you like but gzip is very common
[13:20] <like_summer> zheli ?
[13:21] <axisys> ActionParsnip: vlc is working now.. thanks
[13:21] <like_summer> 只能去中文吗？
[13:21] <ActionParsnip> axisys: np man
[13:21] <psycho_oreos> like_summer, because you're speaking in Chinese, you need to join the Chinese support channels, here its mainly English only
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> Kiranos: yuo can run QT apps in Gnome, you may need to tweak them to gel nicer
[13:23] <Kiranos> ActionParsnip: thanks yes I know they work in gnome but I would like to add compatibily for unity launcher, just dont know if its possible to get flashing/blinking icons on there?
[13:23] <like_summer> psycho_oreos,  thanks
[13:23] <ActionParsnip> Kiranos: which app is it?
[13:23] <Kiranos> ActionParsnip: our companies, private app
[13:23] <psycho_oreos> like_summer, no problems
[13:23] <Kiranos> build in qt creator
[13:23] <Kiranos> using freedesktop standard
[13:24] <seeu> can anyone help me where to download ubuntu restricted extras offline installer for 11.10?
[13:24] <like_summer> are you Chinese ?
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> Kiranos: could just use KDE instead...
[13:25] <ActionParsnip> seeu: that could get real messy, if you grab a system (or VM) without the package installed, install it, then copy the debs from /var/cache/apt/archives   you can use them
[13:25] <Kiranos> ActionParsnip: yea bit of a stretch though changing default window handler just because flashing icons doest work :)
[13:25] <ActionParsnip> Kiranos: depends how crucial it is
[13:25] <Kiranos> not so critical, just wanted to be certain its a limitation in unity
[13:26] <Kiranos> thanks!
[13:26] <seeu> can anyone help me where to find out ubuntu restricted extras offline installer for 11.10?
[13:27] <seeu> quit
[13:27] <like_summer> quit ?
[13:27] <r4y> hello
[13:28] <like_summer> hello
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> Kiranos: you could greate it in GTK too so it gels nice
[13:28] <Kiranos> hm so you mean gtk using freedesktops standards will have a flashing icon in unity launcher?
[13:28] <r4y> I was trying to install smartmontools but it never finished, so I closed the terminal after an hour or 2 and then tried again:
[13:28] <r4y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/749264/
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> Kiranos: not sure, could try it if you have time
[13:29] <gappie> hi again. trying to install ububntu server 10.4 i386. getting blue screen after "downloading the release file". Any ideas?
[13:29] <safiye> hello
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> r4y: are updates installing or software centre open?
[13:29] <r4y> I updated before hand
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> gappie: what does the blue screen say?
[13:29] <safiye> i am on lenovo s12 and have problems with wlan. its gone
[13:30] <r4y> I will check the system monitor
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> !aptfix | r4y
[13:30] <safiye> 03:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY (rev 01)
[13:30] <safiye> how can i get it back to  work?
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> !broadcom | safiye
[13:30] <scarleo> How do I reset the battery stats in 11.10? There used to be an option in battery details to reset it but it's gone
[13:31] <gappie> ActionParsnip: there is a popup for the "downloading the release file" and then it dissapears leaving just the blue backgoround and white bar at the bottom where I can type
[13:31] <Zeakd> anyone know where I can go to find a non-web based proxy server?
[13:31] <r4y> It's still the same
[13:31] <r4y> I wasn't answering your question
[13:32] <gappie> ActionParsnip: doing install from a usb to another usb
[13:32] <gappie> or attempting to
[13:32] <gappie> then tried to install to HD from usb, but did the same
[13:32] <like_summer> weima wo kan bu dong ne ?
[13:32] <bazhang> !cn | like_summer
[13:33] <gappie> burning to cd nowfor install
[13:33] <gappie> otherwise should I try ubuntu server 11.10 ?
[13:33] <r4y> I am going to try this: http://smallmailman.wordpress.com/2010/07/11/fix-for-e-could-not-get-lock-varcacheaptarchiveslock-open-11-resource-temporarily-unavailable/
[13:34] <like_summer> join
[13:34] <like_summer> join ubuntu -tw
[13:34] <gappie> every time i do something on linux it is a battle. sheeesh
[13:35] <travis_> when I lose internet connectivity, I can't access localhost in my browser despite it being in /etc/hosts. Any ideas?
[13:35] <ActionParsnip> gappie: you'll learn
[13:35] <ActionParsnip> travis_: can you ping localhost?
[13:36] <like_summer> join #ubuntu-tw
[13:37] <Zeakd> anyone know where I can go to find a non-web based proxy server?
[13:37] <safiye> ActionParsnip, i am on crunchbang and i get this
[13:37] <Pici> like_summer: you need the slash: /join #ubuntu-tw
[13:37] <Gentoo64> Zeakd, privoxy, polipo etc
[13:37] <safiye> E: Unable to locate package bcmwl-kernel-source
[13:37] <like_summer> Pici,  yeah ,i did it
[13:37] <Pici> safiye: We do not support crunchbang here, please use their support channel.
[13:37] <safiye> okay, im sorry. i thought they both base on the same os
[13:38] <safiye> are based
[13:38] <r4y> How do I know how to kill any of these proccesses in the system monitor: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1701954
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> r4y: if you run:  ps -ef | grep dpkg    does anything come up?
[13:40] <r4y> I should have bookmarked ubuntu pastebin
[13:40] <r4y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/749269/
[13:40] <Firedog> r4y: checked for temporary lock file?
[13:41] <ActionParsnip> r4y: you can install pastebinit and run:  ps -ef | grep dpkg | pastebinit
[13:41] <like_summer> I think I should learn  enlish  someshow now .
[13:41] <ActionParsnip> r4y: sudo kill 9930     and if that doesn't work:    sudo kill -9 9930
[13:42] <Firedog> learn engrish
[13:42] <Firedog> :P
[13:42] <r4y> System monitor still looks busy
[13:42] <r4y> sudo kill -9 9930 kill: No such process
[13:43] <Firedog> r4y: use top
[13:43] <r4y> And the other didn't say anything, but hey
[13:43] <m4k> Sudo killall
[13:43] <Firedog> to discover heavy processor usage culprits
[13:43] <bogeyd6> I am on ubuntu 11.04 x86 and when clicking the upgrade button to 11.10 I get the following error: "Authentication Failed, Authenticating the upgrade failed. There may be a problem with the network or with the server"
[13:44] <bogeyd6> I use the mirror.anl.gov
[13:44] <m4k> The n/w
[13:44] <norpan> ActionParsnip: yes
[13:45] <kamilnadeem> I have created a bug on Kubuntu-website ,about it being not updated. you might help in bringing it to notice . here https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/+bug/893997
[13:46] <ActionParsnip> norpan: yes what? you lost me
[13:46] <norpan> ActionParsnip: i have the latest bios
[13:47] <r4y> I check all in system monitor and found the problem. Something called whiptail and when hovering over it it has a large message but postfix is part in that message so I am guessing to kill it
[13:47] <bubu> hi guys, sure you've heard this one before but can't find a straight answer online - in 11.04 how can i restart networking? service networking restart doesnt work and /etc/init.d/networkign restart has been depriciated
[13:47] <bubu> ?
[13:48] <sattu94> bubu: IIRC, sudo service networking restart,
[13:48] <ActionParsnip> norpan: good, can help with acpi stuffs
[13:48] <bogeyd6_> bubu: go up to the clock area and click on the network icon and uncheck the box, then recheck the box for your network connection
[13:48] <norpan> ActionParsnip: yeah, is that what happened when i boot with "noapic nolapic" i lose the other cores?
[13:48] <Firedog> r4y: ah whiptail how you steal my CPU power, curses to you
[13:48] <bubu> sattu94, sudo service networking restart doesnt work either
[13:49] <ActionParsnip> norpan: are there any bugs reported?
[13:49] <bubu> restart: Unknown instance:
[13:49] <sattu94> bubu: try reload,
[13:50] <bubu> bogeyd6_, my system doesnt have the connections tab at the top where clock is...
[13:50] <bubu> sattu94, already tried, same....
[13:50] <llutz> bubu: sudo network-manager restart    o
[13:50] <llutz> bubu: sudo service network-manager restart    o
[13:50] <bogeyd6_> or sudo /etc/init.d/network-manager restart
[13:50] <sattu94> llutz: network-manager != networking, right ?
[13:51] <bogeyd6_> !network-manager
[13:51] <llutz> bubu: and if you're using ifupdown, "sudo ifdown -a && sudo ifup -a"
[13:51] <r4y> I don't understand why smartmontools never finished installing. I guess I will just have to restart and try over. Sorry for flooding.
[13:51] <CraigMason> Hi all. For some reason, I cannot edit any settings in the Network Settings panel. Edit/Delete buttons do not work
[13:51] <r4y> TY, Take care
[13:52] <bogeyd6_> I am on ubuntu 11.04 x86 and when clicking the upgrade button to 11.10 I get the following error: "Authentication Failed, Authenticating the upgrade failed. There may be a problem with the network or with the server"
[13:52] <bubu> llutz, I get: Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0. and same for eth1 when i issue that...
[13:52] <sattu94> CraigMason: I think you probably need superuser permissions to change those?
[13:52] <CraigMason> sattu94, tried running as sudo etc. No luck
[13:53] <llutz> bubu: so you haven't configured your network in /etc/network/interfaces (ifupdown). restart network-manager to restart network then
[13:53] <bogeyd6_> !cli
[13:54] <bubu> llutz, cool thanks that seemed to work. has that actually taken my interfaces down and back up again though or just restarted the network manager binary...?
[13:55] <Firedog> r4y: you killed whiptail, whiptail Displays user-friendly dialog boxes from shell scripts. Such as installing smartmontools :P hence my curses reference, sorry
[13:57] <llutz> bubu:use " sudo service network-manager restart    "  if you  haven't configured your network in /etc/network/interfaces, use "ifdown/ifup" _if_ you have
[13:57] <norpan> ActionParsnip: i dont really follow you here, bugs reported where? im sorry
[13:57] <ActionParsnip> !bugs | norpan
[13:57] <llutz> !pm  | bubu
[13:57] <ActionParsnip> norpan: that link shoud give a link to the bugs and you can search
[13:58] <bubu> lol
[13:58] <bubu> kk
[13:58] <bubu> does restarting-networking mgr actually take the interfaces down and backup and reconfigure?
[13:58] <Firedog> I have just laughed myself silly at engrish.com thanks to like_summer
[13:58] <norpan> ActionParsnip: ALOT of stuff to read :P
[13:58] <llutz> bubu: it should
[13:59] <ActionParsnip> norpan: indeed
[13:59] <norpan> ActionParsnip: is there any meaning of using acpi? i belive that is whats is doing bad stuff here.  i use both "noapic" and "nolapic" could i use some other command to make it boot?
[14:00] <norpan> ActionParsnip: oh..its the APIC im disabling with those..
[14:01] <cohen> Hi
[14:03] <norpan> How can i make my Ubuntu boot WITHOUT the bootparameters "noapic nolapic" because im only seeing one core when i use those..
[14:05] <Nakou> Hello Guys
[14:06] <axisys> how do I upload images into a blank CD-R
[14:07] <axisys> i have 50 jpg files that I like to upload in the cd-r
[14:07] <iceroot> axisys: burn them
[14:07] <iceroot> axisys: with k3b for example
[14:07] <axisys> iceroot: i only know how to burn iso using wodim to burn iso into a cd
[14:07] <norpan> How can i make my Ubuntu boot WITHOUT the bootparameters "noapic nolapic" because im only seeing one core when i use those..
[14:08] <iceroot> norpan: press "shift" at boot and select the kernel you want to boot, press e to edit that line and remove what you want
[14:08] <axisys> iceroot: any other app besides k3b ? brassero may be?
[14:08] <iceroot> axisys: yes brassero should be the default one on ubuntu
[14:08] <yousifabdullah> nero 4 linux ftw :p
[14:08] <iceroot> axisys: just select "files" instead of "images"
[14:08] <Sidewinder1> axisys, When you put in the blank CD, it should ask you.. Beassero should work..
[14:08] <norpan> iceroot: yes thats how i got it to boot in the first place, by adding "noapic nolapic" as boot parameters. But it does not boot without those parameters and i feel strongly that this is causing me to only see 1 core in ubuntu
[14:08] <Anticom> hi all
[14:09] <Sidewinder1> Brassero, even.
[14:09] <yousifabdullah> hi anticom what's up
[14:09] <zak_> Hi, I run 11.10 server with xubuntu desktop via a not-so-good kvm switch. Is there a way to get ubuntu to recognize the full resolution of the monitor (1280x1024, not 1024x768)?
[14:09] <yousifabdullah> norpan tried acpi=off?
[14:09] <yousifabdullah> zak what kvm is that
[14:09] <norpan> yousifabdullah: no i have not, is that somehow different? or similiar?
[14:09] <Pici> yousifabdullah: acpi != apic
[14:09] <yousifabdullah> pici I know but it may help
[14:09] <zak_> dlink dkvm-2k
[14:09] <Anticom> first to say: i'm a linux noob. i want to remove tesseract using apt-get remove but it says E: Unable to locate package tesseract
[14:09] <yousifabdullah> norpan it's different
[14:10] <Pici> Anticom: I believe  the package name is tesseract-ocr
[14:10] <yousifabdullah> zak does your graphics card have the proper driver
[14:10] <norpan> yousifabdullah: i have trying to read what apic and acpi does, but im not 100% on it..
[14:10] <yousifabdullah> norpan trying won't kill...
[14:10] <norpan> yousifabdullah: but i figured its not really good to run "noapic nolapic" as standard
[14:11] <norpan> yousifabdullah: but, if it boots when i disable apic, why do i need to disable acpi instead?
[14:11] <norpan> apic AND lapic
[14:11] <zak_> yousifabdullah, it is a standard intel onboard graphics controller
[14:11] <axisys> I have 714 1M files.. so the CD-R is smaller.. any suggestion on how to convert those JPGs to smaller size so I can fit them all in one CD ?
[14:12] <axisys> SONY CD-R is 700MB only
[14:12] <yeats> axisys: gzip?
[14:12] <jjgalvez__> axisys: you should be able to recompress them to make them smaller
[14:12] <axisys> yeats: well i need to keep the images visible
[14:12] <yeats> axisys: maybe save them as a lower image quality using gimp?
[14:12] <axisys> jjgalvez__: jpg to jpg and still smaller ?
[14:13] <axisys> yeats: 714 of them using gimp will take very long time
[14:13] <jjgalvez__> axisys: I would use something like imagemagic from the command line to compress them even smaller
[14:13] <Norwack> I Need help
[14:14] <amit> hii.. Need help here
[14:14] <Norwack> Is it possible to get ubuntu 8.1????
[14:14] <jjgalvez__> axisys: your compression should depend on how much compression was used to make the jpegs in the first place, since you really don't need much additional space you should not need to increase the compression by much
[14:14] <sattu94> Norwack: you mean 8.04 ?
[14:14] <yousifabdullah> norwack sure try the torrents
[14:14] <jjgalvez__> amit: ask your question
[14:14] <Norwack> yes sattu
[14:14] <xangua> Norwack: please use a supported ubuntu release ubuntu.com
[14:14] <amit> When I try to open a folder using dash or applications it shows.. Failed to execute default File Manager.
[14:15] <axisys> jjgalvez__: DSC_8402.JPG: JPEG image data, JFIF standard 1.02
[14:15] <Norwack> i dont like the new layout of ubuntu
[14:15] <sattu94> xangua: i remember when i installed 9.04 because the LTSP server documentation worked only on 9.04 systems, and could not find any working documentation for 10.04..
[14:15] <sipior> Norwack: you'll like getting rooted even less.
[14:15] <yeats> Norwack: you'd probably want 10.04
[14:15] <zak_> I suspect that the kvm drops some/all of the edid info.. :(
[14:15] <Norwack> or is it possible to get the layout of ubuntu 8.04 to ubuntu 11?
[14:15] <amit> When I try to open a folder using dash or applications it shows.. Failed to execute default File Manager.
[14:16] <CaptainKnots> Norwack: try kubuntu or lubuntu
[14:16] <CaptainKnots> or mint 12
[14:16] <xangua> !nounity | Norwack
[14:16] <Nakou> Guys, i have nscd installed on a linux who launched in nfsroot mode, to run thunderbird and all application who need cache daemon. But nscd fail to launch at start, and it necessary to load on the terminal in sudo root mode
[14:16] <Nakou> anyone know how to fix that and make it auto
[14:16] <Sidewinder1> Norwack, Then try 10.04, that's what I'm currently using and love it; it will be supported for the next year or two. :-)
[14:16] <Nakou> ?
[14:17] <yeats> Norwack: which linux?
[14:17] <Nakou> (Linux 11.04)
[14:17] <yeats> Norwack: sorry - meant for Nakou
[14:17] <Norwack> CaptainKnots: Is it possible to install Mint beside of windows=
[14:17] <Norwack> ?
[14:17] <CaptainKnots> Norwack: yes
[14:17] <CaptainKnots> grub will detect the windows loader and chainload
[14:17] <bekks> Norwack: Thats a good question for the mint support channel ;)
[14:17] <yousifabdullah> norwack: easiest is with cygwin
[14:18] <amit> ??
[14:18] <zak_> how do I pass parameters to kernel at boot in 11.10 server?
[14:18] <Sidewinder1> Norwack, 10.04, you will not be disappointed, I promise. :D
[14:18] <amit> any uidea??
[14:18] <Norwack> is it like 11?
[14:19] <gmzlj> phrik: disapprove is<reply>ಠ_ಠ
[14:19] <yeats> amit: try opening a terminal and typing 'nautilus'
[14:19] <Sidewinder1> Norwack, Please see here for the different versions and how long they're supported: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28operating_system%29
[14:19] <Sidewinder1> Norwack, 10.04 is Gnome2; nut unity!
[14:20] <Sidewinder1> not, even, but I guess they both work.. :-)
[14:20] <amit> yeats, it opens but when i open anything using dash or using any app it says the error
[14:20] <amit> When I try to open a folder using dash or applications it shows.. Failed to execute default File Manager.
[14:20] <yeats> amit: what have you changed?
[14:20] <Norwack> so where can i get 10.04?
[14:20] <xangua> from ubuntu.com Norwack
[14:20] <Nakou> so? for my nscd problem?
[14:20] <yeats> !10.04 | Norwack
[14:21] <amit> yeats, in transmission I was trying to open a file directly there I typed nautilus.. the problem started from that
[14:21] <zak_> I need to pass a parameter to the kernel at boot. How (where) do I enter this in 11.10 server?
[14:21] <dr_willis> amit:  i recall the ubuntu-tweak (not officially supported) had a 'reset gnome settings' feature
[14:21] <Norwack> I Want to install that 10.04 beside windows
[14:21] <Sidewinder1> Norwack, http://torrent.ubuntu.com/ Don't forget to Md5sum the ISO, prior to burning at the slowest speed.
[14:22] <dr_willis> zak_:  the grub2 config files. /etc/default/grub
[14:22] <amit> dr_willis, ok trying that
[14:22] <llutz> zak_: edit /etc/default/grub , add your parameter and run update-grub
[14:22] <zak_> dr_willis, llutz thanks!
[14:22] <Sidewinder1> Norwack, Also have a look here for a step-by-step: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index
[14:22] <Nakou> zak_: You can create a new file, the number on the title made the order of launch in the grub menu
[14:22] <Nakou> or editing
[14:23] <Nakou> see wat you need
[14:23] <Sidewinder1> Norwack, But don't go anywhere near WUBI!
[14:23] <canterer> checking for tgetent in -lcurses... no
[14:23] <canterer> no terminal library found
[14:23] <canterer> checking for tgetent()... configure: error: NOT FOUND!
[14:23] <canterer>       You need to install a terminal library; for example ncurses.
[14:23] <canterer>       Or specify the name of the library with --with-tlib.
[14:23] <FloodBot1> canterer: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[14:23] <canterer> make[1]: *** [config] 错误 1
[14:23] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[14:24] <Norwack> whats wrong with wubi?
[14:24] <jjgalvez__> axisys: install imagemagic and give the command comvert <file.jpg> -quality 75 <newname.jpb>  a try, you can play with the quality factor to see what gives you the best quality/size
[14:24] <Sidewinder1> Norwack, What you're lookin' for is Dual Boot.
[14:24] <canterer> I am installing the vim
[14:24] <axisys> jjgalvez__: installed imagemagick.. let me try the command
[14:24] <canterer> but  when I  make
[14:24] <canterer> have the wrong
[14:24] <yeats> canterer: try 'sudo apt-get install vim'
[14:25] <jjgalvez__> axisys: you can always write a quick shell script to grep through all the pictures if that gives you want you need
[14:25] <canterer> I have load the package
[14:25] <axisys> jjgalvez__: yep
[14:25] <amit> dr_willis, yeats  still not working
[14:25] <Sidewinder1> BluesKaj, Mornin'.!
[14:25] <canterer> yeats:  I have load the package
[14:25] <canterer> and  I ./configer
[14:25] <amit> Failed to execute child process "nautilius" (No such file or directory).
[14:25] <BluesKaj> hi Sidewinder1
[14:26] <yeats> canterer: why are you building vim from source?
[14:26] <canterer> and  when the step : make I do
[14:26] <Sidewinder1> Norwack, Just ask BluesKaj about WUBI.. ;-)
[14:26] <norpan> Cant get my Ubuntu to boot without NOAPIC NOLAPIC bootparameters, why is that? What can i do? I only see 1 core in ubuntu aswell, im using a i7 quad!
[14:26] <canterer> I have a package of vim
[14:26] <like_summer> Firedog,  i ear some ago
[14:26] <canterer> so  I should  install it
[14:26] <Sidewinder1> BluesKaj, Don't you just love how I volunteer your help? :p
[14:26] <norpan> amit: nautilius? whats that?
[14:26] <yeats> canterer: I don't understand - is there a reason you're installing vim from source rather than just installing the repo version?
[14:27] <canterer> unzip --->  ./configure ---> make
[14:27] <amit> mistyped!\
[14:27] <amit> how can I correct that?
[14:27] <BluesKaj> Sidewinder1, yeah :)
[14:27] <canterer> yeats : not the repo version
[14:27] <jjgalvez__> norpan: laptop or desktop, I had an older dell that did the same thing, not that I have any real insight into the problem
[14:27] <like_summer> Firedog,  why did you thank me
[14:27] <Norwack> omg
[14:27] <BluesKaj> Norwack, first time ubuntu user ?
[14:27] <norpan> jjgalvez__: im using a desktop!
[14:27] <Norwack> im outta here
[14:27] <Sidewinder1> BluesKaj, A guy's gotta' have some fun.. :)
[14:28] <yeats> canterer: I'll ask again... why are you not using the repo version?
[14:28] <canterer> ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim/unix/vim-7.3.tar.bz2
[14:28] <canterer> yeats :  I want to improv the vim
[14:28] <jjgalvez__> norpan: have you tried changing the power settings in your bios?
[14:28] <like_summer> blue_bomber,  yes i am new
[14:29] <norpan> jjgalvez__: i have, but i cant really find anything usefull in there, i cant find anything that has the name APIC in it for example
[14:29] <norpan> jjgalvez__: Other then that i dont know what to look for
[14:29] <canterer> yeats: so I can have a envirment  that can siut to my develop
[14:29] <Sidewinder1> BluesKaj, He wants to dual boot with 10.04, doesn't care for unity; imagine that..
[14:30] <Sidewinder1> Norwack, Goog Luck!
[14:30] <like_summer> it's 22:30 now .
[14:30] <BluesKaj> Norwack, what about clasic gnome
[14:30] <Sidewinder1> Good, even..
[14:30] <like_summer> will you sleep now /
[14:30] <norpan> jjgalvez__: and as far as i know, isnt acpi power management? its booting when i disable the APIC, wich i dont really know that it does hah
[14:30] <norpan> jjgalvez__: what* it dies
[14:30] <norpan> DOES*
[14:31]  * like_summer 跳一下
[14:31] <jjgalvez__> norpan: yes APIC is power managment
[14:31] <Norwack> I Have used ubuntu many times, but doesnt like the new fuckin layout, lol
[14:31] <Norwack> and i want debian, but aint on my own internet for a few months
[14:31] <amit> help anyone!!
[14:31] <jjgalvez__> so does it boot when you disable APIC from the bios?
[14:31] <norpan> jjgalvez__: oh, both acpi and apic is power management? i didnt know that
[14:31] <amit> Failed to execute child process "nautilius" (No such file or directory).
[14:32] <Laurenceb> hi
[14:32] <Sidewinder1> !language > Now
[14:32] <Firedog> norpan: still no luck with the multi-core CPU?
[14:32] <aegisx> This isn't an Ubuntu specific question, but is there a way to hide connection / disconnection notifications permanently?
[14:32] <norpan> Firedog: no :(
[14:32] <Laurenceb> how much data does reads only drive benchmarking exchange?
[14:32] <Nakou> On the rc#.d/, the process with a letter like "K20-process" were killed at this state?
[14:32] <jjgalvez__> amit: have you installed or removed any packages recently? because it looks like you don't have nautilus, on your system. try running it from a terminal
[14:32] <Sidewinder1> !language > Norwack
[14:32] <BluesKaj> Norwack, you'll just have to make upyour own mind what you want to do. I use KDE myself
[14:32] <Firedog> norpan: what are you using to discern if it is working on one core or more?
[14:33] <norpan> Firedog: some cpuinfo command and the regular systemmonitor
[14:33] <amit> jigalvez_, I do have nauilus.. I typed buy accident nauilius in transmission while oopening a file
[14:33] <Firedog> norpan: so you are in the desktop and see only one graph for cpu cores right?
[14:33] <norpan> Firedog: pm me instead, its an ocean of messages here and i check now and then..im cleaing my appartment :P
[14:33] <Norwack> wow, this sucks. On another IRC they learn people to use the word "Fu**"..But its a irc for cool people tho
[14:34] <Sidewinder1> BluesKaj, I already suggested 10.04; he could also use 11.04 with classic.
[14:34] <norpan> Firedog: yes and in cpuinfo i only see one core aswell
[14:35] <jjgalvez__> amit: Oh so do you still have tranmission running?
[14:35] <amit> yeah
[14:35] <BluesKaj> Sidewinder1, he doesn't have any real problems IMO , he's just not sure what to do
[14:35] <Nakou> On the rc#.d/, the process with a letter like "K20-process" were killed at this state?
[14:35] <newb> Helo all! I've updated my Oneiric system and My Gnome 3.2 stopped working with Mutter. My /etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe has fbdev how driver. I've changed to intel but do not worked yet. I think my XOrg disabled the correct support. Somebody can Help me with this? My PC is an ASUS EEEPC 1005-HA netbook.
[14:35] <jjgalvez__> amit: or rather is it still trying to serve nautilus ? I would try shutting tansmission down
[14:36] <amit> jjgalvez__, closing it did nothing
[14:36] <Laurenceb> im getting a too slow to benchmark error
[14:36] <amit> perhaps transmission set it as default or somethng
[14:36] <Laurenceb> is there a command line benchmark tool?
[14:36] <jjgalvez__> amit: not sure what you mean?
[14:36] <Sidewinder1> BluesKaj, No, no problems; his original question was could he download Hardy 'caise he didn't like unity; that's when I suggested Lucid. :-)
[14:37] <Sidewinder1> 'cause, even.
[14:38]  * BluesKaj has to bone up on gnome desktop options
[14:38] <yeats> canterer: vim from source will behave the same as vim from the repos... customizing happens in /etc/vim/vimrc (system-wide) or ~/.bashrc for just your user
[14:38]  * Sidewinder1 coffe.
[14:39] <dr_willis> ~/.vimrc
[14:39] <yeats> canterer: if you're committed to building from source, I would do 'sudo apt-get build-dep vim' before continuing
[14:39] <yeats> dr_willis: right - typo
[14:39] <yeats> canterer: yes - I meant ~/.vimrc
[14:39] <dr_willis> I doubt if theres any major new vim features. :)
[14:40] <yeats> !pm | canterer
[14:41] <like_summer> help
[14:41] <jjgalvez__> amit: try looking at this https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=64832 to see if it helps
[14:42] <dr_willis> like_summer:  it helps to give details..
[14:42] <like_summer> its time to sleep
[14:43] <like_summer> dr_willis,  it does not help me
[14:43] <canterer> what is the mean of  PM?
[14:43] <wakejagr> canterer: private message
[14:44] <canterer> ah  I know
[14:44] <tarzeau> canterer: dict PM will tell
[14:44] <pw-toxic> hi, i'm missing workspaces on gnome3 on ubuntu ;(
[14:44] <pw-toxic> how can i reactivate it?
[14:44] <tarzeau> pw-toxic: you can use any other window manager?
[14:44] <tarzeau> windowmaker has workspaces
[14:44] <pw-toxic> tarzeau, gnome has none anymore?
[14:45] <tarzeau> i don't know. you really mean gnome3 or unity or gnome2?
[14:45] <pw-toxic> i just did "apt-get install gnome" and chose "gnome" on startup
[14:45] <BluesKaj> !classic| Norwack
[14:45] <pw-toxic> so i guess i have gnome3
[14:45] <pw-toxic> i do not like unity
[14:45] <tarzeau> i also have a problem that unity is horribly slow, even with correct nvidia drivers. and with two monitors it's slower and with 3 monitors very very slow, 4 monitors so slow you can't work
[14:45] <pw-toxic> there is no "connect to" application ;)
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> pw-toxic: what do you want to connect to?
[14:46] <tarzeau> pw-toxic: neither do i. but then i don't like gnome either. and not kde
[14:46] <pw-toxic> ActionParsnip, anything.. ftp ssh windows share.. just anything
[14:46] <tarzeau> pw-toxic: i'm glad when i get a terminal
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> pw-toxic: its part of nautilus..
[14:46] <pw-toxic> tarzeau, a terminal is nice, but not for every task ;)
[14:46] <tarzeau> pw-toxic: you want a mac or windows then. the connect to stuff never worked for me on linux
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> pw-toxic: under the file menu
[14:47] <tarzeau> pw-toxic: i don't see an alternative on linux. no nautilus is plain junk
[14:47] <tarzeau> consier having nfs drives, and say 10000 files. it's unusable
[14:47] <pw-toxic> whatever ... im looking for workspaces ;)
[14:47] <tarzeau> hekc it's even unusable with only 1000 files
[14:47] <pw-toxic> does gnome3 have no workspaces anymore? i think i would have read about it
[14:47] <tarzeau> and here we have users with 1000000 files
[14:47] <tarzeau> (one user)
[14:47] <ActionParsnip> pw-toxic: sure, you control how many in ccsm if you use unity (not 2d)
[14:48] <pw-toxic> ActionParsnip, ah i forgot.. i have ccsm
[14:48] <ActionParsnip> tarzeau: try pcmanfm, rox, dolphin, thunar or one of the MANY file managers...
[14:48] <tarzeau> ActionParsnip: oh i know them, i tried them. i didn't like them
[14:48] <ActionParsnip> tarzeau: if they work though yuo may have to
[14:49] <tarzeau> ActionParsnip: all of them are slow, clumsy, and file open dialogs in gtk1, 2 and 3 are wrong bad and broken
[14:49] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, think we have a troll
[14:49] <tarzeau> ActionParsnip: i'm perfectly fine with a terminal, thank you
[14:49] <pw-toxic> ActionParsnip, i have enabled Desktop wall in ccsm but it doesnt work ;/
[14:50] <pw-toxic> ActionParsnip, i relog with unit and try it there
[14:51] <Firedog> norpan: are you getting my pm?
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> tarzeau: thats another option :)
[14:51] <tarzeau> ActionParsnip: the only, imho
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> pw-toxic: there is a key to show all the desktops and you can drag windows between easily
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> pw-toxic: I only use one desktop so am not sure what it is but I'm sure it exists
[14:52] <Firedog> ActionParsnip: sounds like a mac thing, was it MOD-E
[14:53] <Firedog> no, can't drag windows with Mod-E or Winkey-E
[14:54] <Firedog> but you can with compiz cube
[14:54] <ActionParsnip> pw-toxic: it's called expo, and as Firedog stated it's SuperL+E
[14:55] <pw-toxic> hmm moving workspaces works on unity ;/
[14:55] <pw-toxic> bt i want gnome ;(
[14:55] <ActionParsnip> pw-toxic: you are using gnome
[14:55] <Firedog> dont we all
[14:55] <pw-toxic> ActionParsnip, yes i am
[14:55] <ActionParsnip> pw-toxic: unity is only a shell
[14:55] <flexd> Argh, what do I need to check if norwegian characters work fine as root but as a normal user it fails (I just get ???) characters.
[14:55] <pw-toxic> ActionParsnip, whatever.. i chose gnome an logon and i want worksapces ;)
[14:56] <flexd> locale is set to en_US.UTF-8 on both users
[14:56] <pw-toxic> ActionParsnip, workspaces is the most reason why i use ubuntu ;)
[14:56] <ActionParsnip> pw-toxic: you can use the expos plugin to show them
[14:56] <ActionParsnip> pw-toxic: you can get equivelant functionality in windows
[14:56] <dr_willis> unity has workspaces.. actually ive seen tools for windows to give it workspaces...
[14:56] <Firedog> pw-toxic: workspaces are a function of desktop not OS so GNOME, KDE, XFCE all support them
[14:56] <dr_willis> :)
[14:57] <dr_willis> Does OS-X have workspaces?
[14:57] <pw-toxic> Firedog, why does it then work on unity but not gnome?
[14:57] <Firedog> dr_willis: I beleive so
[14:57] <pw-toxic> Firedog, when i logon with gnome, my keyboard shortcuts "alt+q" and "alt+e" dont work to switch left and right
[14:57] <dr_willis> The Cube thang has issues with unity i belive.. best to just stop using teh cube.
[14:58] <norpan> Firedog: i was doing some dishes, im sorry if i missed you. did not mean to be disrespectful :)
[14:58] <ActionParsnip> do people still use the cube plugin...wow
[14:58] <Firedog> dr_willis: I love the cube so much I am stuck with gnome :P
[14:58] <dr_willis> I never saw the point in the cube...
[14:58] <dr_willis> get over it Firedog . :P
[14:58] <dr_willis> cube. the kind of thing you enable to show off.. then disable when your windows using friends leave.
[14:59] <ActionParsnip> Firedog: I believe kde has desktop cube stuff too
[14:59] <republic> good evening anyone! happy chatting!!!
[14:59] <norpan> republic: haha good evening to you to :P
[14:59] <pw-toxic> ActionParsnip, ah good idea - i try out kde if my desktop wall works there
[15:02] <tomek_> anyone uses solaris ?
[15:02] <ActionParsnip> tomek_: try the solaris channel
[15:02] <mahdi1364> hi
[15:02] <gxoptg> mahdi1364, hi
[15:03] <deej1976> tomek_: dauble a little
[15:03] <mahdi1364> I have a problem in ubuntu 11.10
[15:03] <deej1976> tomek_: pm me
[15:04] <gxoptg> mahdi1364, so tell about it
[15:04] <vemens> )
[15:04] <mahdi1364> when I login, the desktop wont load, just the terminal screen shows up
[15:05] <canterer> yeats> canterer: if you're committed to building from source, I would do 'sudo apt-get build-dep vim' before continuing   thanks  fun:)  my question is solved
[15:05] <gxoptg> vemens, hi
[15:05] <ActionParsnip> mahdi1364: what if you log in as another user?
[15:05] <mahdi1364> the same
[15:06] <ActionParsnip> mandi-kembang: what if you select the 2D unity?
[15:06] <vemens> hi gxoptg :)
[15:07] <mahdi1364> please help me
[15:07] <pw-toxic> ActionParsnip, gnome3 only has up and down workspace switching, and i was trying to switch horizontally
[15:07] <cipherboy> mahdi1364 we are...?
[15:07] <gxoptg> mandi1364, what if you select the 2D unity?
[15:07] <cipherboy> mahdi1364 We have given you a few suggestions, why don't you try and post back?
[15:08] <mahdi1364> maybe this information helps u
[15:09] <mahdi1364> I uninstalled compiz and that's when this problem showed up
[15:09] <homegrown> I'm looking to migrate to subversion 1.7, but cannot find any official packages ... why so far behind?
[15:10] <gxoptg> mahdi1364, ubuntu 3d is based on Compis :) try to load Unity 2d
[15:10] <mahdi1364> how do I do that?
[15:10] <mahdi1364> I'm new to ubuntu
[15:10] <Pici> homegrown: Because we don't upgrade packages unless they are security fixes once an Ubuntu release has been finished.
[15:11] <ActionParsnip> mahdi1364: its an option when you log in
[15:11] <dr_willis> why would you uninstall compiz when you are new to the whole os?
[15:11] <Pici> homegrown: And I don't see 1.7 even in debian yet or the in-development release of Ubuntu.  You could try looking for a PPA if you really need it though.
[15:11] <blognewb> hi everyone, i wanted to buy my mom an ubuntu laptop, can you guys suggest one that is worth around $300-$400? preferably with at least an i3?
[15:12] <mahdi1364> must have been a mistake, dont be mad:-/
[15:12] <homegrown> Pici: Thanks, but it's going to be production, so I'd rather have it stable.... might have to stick to BSD for now then :-(
[15:13] <mahdi1364> thanks for ur help I gonna try 2D unity
[15:13] <mahdi1364> babye
[15:15] <MonkeyDust> blognewb  ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:17] <Firedog> ActionParsnip: belated, yes KDE can :)
[15:17] <yeats> canterer: great! happy to help
[15:17] <vikashrokk> can we install gnome 3.2 on ubuntu 10.10
[15:17] <vikashrokk> ????
[15:18] <tensorpudding> no
[15:18] <yeats> vikashrokk: why not just upgrade to 11.10?
[15:18] <tensorpudding> upgrade to 11.10
[15:18] <vikashrokk> i upgraded but
[15:18] <mandi-kembang> ActionParsnip: what are the advantages of 2D unity?
[15:18] <dr_willis> you use is when you cant get 3d working mandi-kembang  :)
[15:18] <vikashrokk> i hav another os ultimate edition which runs on 10.10
[15:19] <tensorpudding> vikashrokk, then upgrade that too
[15:19] <Firedog> dr_willis: only I keep the cube there because it still makes me smile, and I can sneak a look at whats going on on other desktops before switching as they are live updated
[15:20] <Firedog> only the taskbar is not updated
[15:20] <vikashrokk> but then it will not support other oses which run with it like lubuntu and xcfe
[15:20] <dr_willis> the whole desktop idea has sort of been getting revamped in gnome shell and unity.
[15:21] <vikashrokk> dr willis ..true man i loved gnome 3
[15:22] <vikashrokk> hey anybody tell the best media manager for ubuntu
[15:22] <dr_willis> vikashrokk:  what kind of medis
[15:22] <dr_willis> media
[15:22] <Firedog> dr_willis: I wish they would settle on a standard an quit changing it all the time so I can  stop re-learning stuff I already know how to do
[15:22] <dr_willis> Firedog:  then we would still be in the Win2.1 days....
[15:22] <vikashrokk> i m looking for the one which easily gets album covers and organises media folders..i m talking about mp3s
[15:23] <Firedog> dr_willis: ah win2.1 :P no, not that old hehe
[15:23] <dr_willis> C64 Geos. :P
[15:23] <Sidewinder1> dr_willis, Or 3.11 workgroups. :-)
[15:23] <MarkLuke> i need help with a wm 8650 ntablet i got from china
[15:23] <vikashrokk> wat is dis 3.11??
[15:24] <andrew91831> how do i install a pkg file in linux ?
[15:24] <Firedog> dr_willis: as a kid, 8 bit machines, yes but never bothered with windows 2!
[15:24] <dr_willis> andrew91831:  you mean a foo.deb file? or a foo.pkg ? or what excactly
[15:24] <andrew91831> a foo.pkg
[15:24] <Sidewinder1> vikashrokk, Just a snide comment; please disregard.
[15:24] <dr_willis> Firedog:  i used Vic-20 and other C= stuff.
[15:24] <dr_willis> andrew91831:  where did this come from? ubuntu stuff is normally .deb
[15:25] <andrew91831> oh im downloading node.js on linux
[15:25] <andrew91831> but i dont know how to install pkg ><
[15:25] <MarkLuke> can anybody help me with the wm8650 appmarketand flash problem
[15:25] <Firedog> dr_willis: vic20, that was basic, I saved an old Texas Instruments machine from silicon heaven a few years back. It's mint.
[15:26] <andrew91831> oh nevermind
[15:26] <andrew91831> haha, embarassing
[15:26] <andrew91831> i've got quicksynergy on and im using my linux box trying to install the mac version
[15:27] <Firedog> dr_willis: http://oldcomputers.net/pics/ticosbyad.jpg heheh
[15:28] <remoteCTRL> hi guys!
[15:28] <vikashrokk> hi
[15:28] <chad-tara> hello
[15:28] <vikashrokk> wad up remote ctrl
[15:28] <remoteCTRL> i got these ugly graphic artefacts when trying to use gnome3 can you pls tell me how to fix this?
[15:28] <chad-tara> Ive got a question about my bootloader options if anyone can help. im pretty new to linux... :(
[15:29] <ActionParsnip> remoteCTRL: are you using any shells?
[15:29] <remoteCTRL> the fonts in the "menu bar" are completely distorted...
[15:29] <ActionParsnip> chad-tara: shoot
[15:29] <remoteCTRL> ActionParsnip: erm... gnome-sehll?
[15:29] <remoteCTRL> i hope?
[15:29] <remoteCTRL> ActionParsnip: good to see you btw, hope all is fine?
[15:29] <cari_veri_ud> hello, ubuntu 11.10 xorg.conf is very thin. almost no settings made in there. problem: secondary screen not detectable. what can I do?
[15:30] <ActionParsnip> remoteCTRL: looks like this? http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Screenshots
[15:30] <ActionParsnip> remoteCTRL: not bad, chillin at work
[15:30] <chad-tara> I have both 32 bit and 64 but 11.10 installed on my system. when I start up there are about 8 options to boot from. I know I shouldnt boot into recovery but which option is 64 and witch is 32?
[15:30] <chad-tara> is it the <IP_ADDRESS> or <IP_ADDRESS> or the PAE?
[15:31] <remoteCTRL> ActionParsnip: i guess that is what it should look like, in my case i have the purple background, looking nomral and then the bar with the "action", clock, etc is grey instead of black and everything in it is totally distorted
[15:31] <linda_> chad-tara: I don't there's a difference other than kernel versions.  (Someone correct me if wrong.)
[15:32] <ActionParsnip> remoteCTRL: what if you press ALT+F2 and run:  gnome-shell --replace
[15:32] <linda_> chad-tara: Oh, well, you have a dual boot system?
[15:32] <linda_> Is that correct?
[15:32] <chad-tara> \yeah
[15:33] <Firedog> remoteCTRL: I saw a car once and thought it had been in an accident, turns out that was the way it was "designed" to look
[15:33] <chad-tara> I installed both 64bit and 32 bit versions
[15:33] <tamayo> hola
[15:33] <imbezol> bonjour
[15:33] <chad-tara> which kernel comes with what relese? i never installed a custom kernel
[15:34] <linda_> chad-tara: We would have to see the exact names of the 8 options before we can tell anything about it.
[15:35] <chad-tara> ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS> (both normal and recovery)
[15:35] <chad-tara> ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS> (both normal and recovery)
[15:35] <chad-tara> i mean *.13
[15:35] <linda_> chad-tara: Or someone that has a stock 64bit system may be able to give you their kernel version, but may very well be that the version numbers are same.
[15:36] <chad-tara> and then the two PEA options
[15:36] <chad-tara> *PAE
[15:36] <fm__> PAE is 32 bit
[15:37] <chad-tara> i figured that out. thats the server kernel that lets me use all 4 gigs or ram?
[15:37] <remoteCTRL> ActionParsnip: erm... looking even worse now
[15:37] <cygnusnsf> Hi, all any body aware of install instructions for a EPSON SX435W Printer on UBUNTU 10.04 LTS? I can see the printer but just only ever finds a sx415 driver and does not work properly
[15:37] <goshawk> hi
[15:37] <remoteCTRL> and the worst thing about is; this is definitely NOT the first device that does that to me!
[15:37] <linda_> chad-tara: They will all lst you use all 4G of RAM
[15:38] <goshawk> i can't connect to facebook via empathy, does anyone have the same problem?
[15:38] <remoteCTRL> ActionParsnip: btw alt+f2 doenst work at all...
[15:38] <remoteCTRL> goshawk: be happy about it!
[15:38] <chad-tara> is it better for me to just install the 64 bit version? I dont use alot of apps. mostly internet movies and music
[15:38] <cipherboy> remoteCTRL++
[15:38] <remoteCTRL> goshawk: farcebook sells your data to government organisations!
[15:39] <remoteCTRL> chad-tara: not much difference nowadays there
[15:39] <Pici> !ot
[15:39] <Norwack> join #UbuntuPorn
[15:39] <Firedog> chad-tara: in linux chose 64 bit if you have a 64 bit CPU
[15:39] <linda_> chad-tara: YOu dreally didn't need to install 32bit version alongside the 64bit version.  All you need to do is install 32bit libs on the 64bit version and you can run all the 32bit apps you want.
[15:40] <chad-tara> any downside to running 32 bit on 64 bit system? Am I wasting resources
[15:40] <mao> I set the CPU_FREQ_DEFAULT_GOV "converse" when compile the kernel,but after I boot the ubuntu,the cpu freq default govener becomes "ondemand", and i cannont find which process change it
[15:40] <cipherboy> norwack you need more peoples
[15:40] <mao> Anyone knows why?
[15:40] <Firedog> chad-tara: yes, 64 bit performs better on 64 bit CPU
[15:40] <cipherboy> Firedog can 64bit even run on 32 bit processor?
[15:41] <chad-tara> thanks... gonna just start fresh and install only the 64 bit
[15:41] <Firedog> cipherboy: no 64 bit will not run on 32 bit CPU
[15:42] <linda_> chad-tara: I think the command is   apt-get install ia32-libs
[15:42] <chad-tara> thanks (:
[15:42] <Firedog> but 32 bit will run on 64 bit CPU which is the converse to my argument, not the other-way-round
[15:42] <dr_willis> i basically only use 64bit os on my 64bit hardware these days
[15:42] <frankperez87> Has anyone installed uplink on ubuntu 11.10 using the .sh file
[15:42] <remoteCTRL> ActionParsnip: phunny thing is: at the login screen all looks perfectly normal but as soon as i am logged in all looks broken
[15:42] <chad-tara> so everyone agrees I will get a bit better performance from my machine if I give up the 32bit and just use the 64 bit?
[15:43] <Firedog> dr_willis: is right, there is no need for 32 bit except in windows
[15:43] <dr_willis> use 64bit os on 64bit hardware....
[15:43] <Firedog> ^^ what he said
[15:43] <chad-tara> thanks guys! you're all AWESOME
[15:43] <linda_> chad-tara:  YOu don't have to start over, just use the 64bit
[15:43] <chad-tara> I feel so lost. I havent used Linux since Dapper Drake
[15:44] <Firedog> ahh dapper drake :P
[15:44] <chad-tara> anyway to just erase the 32 bit system?
[15:44] <dr_willis> delete the partitions :)
[15:44] <Firedog> install windows??
[15:44] <Firedog> joking
[15:44] <chad-tara> thats it? cool. then reformat?
[15:45] <linda_> chad-tara: You can use a partition manager to delete or shrink the 32bit partition(s).
[15:45] <chad-tara> I just left windows cause it was freezing ALL THE TIME
[15:45] <bekks> chad-tara: "man rm"
[15:45] <chad-tara> thanks linda
[15:45] <linda_> I didn't know windows was that cold....
[15:45] <chad-tara> super cold...
[15:45] <Firedog> chad-tara: what linda says about partition manager, may save you some time
[15:45] <mahdi1364> hi
[15:46] <mahdi1364> i'm back again
[15:46] <chad-tara> always f****d me and never smiled...
[15:46] <linda_> chad-tara: Which did you install first?  64bit or 32bit?
[15:46] <chad-tara> 32 bit...
[15:46] <mahdi1364> I just wanted to thank u for ur help
[15:46] <mahdi1364> can I ask one more question?
[15:46] <chad-tara> cause its "recommended" on the website :/
[15:47] <oCean> chad-tara: please mind your language. If you have to obfuscate your words, then don't use them.
[15:47] <chad-tara> k. i didnt know a more appropriate word
[15:47] <linda_> chad-tara: I would just shrink the 32bit partition(s) down to just a few megabytes.
[15:47] <xorrbit> is there a way to allow a user to configure network interfaces, ie run ifconfig and ip commands, without sudo-ing them?
[15:47] <greves> hello - I've just bought a new computer and will install windows 7 on it, but i'd like to dual boot ubuntu. i have a 1GB drive and will MAINLY use windows 7, what would be a good partition scheme for me?
[15:47] <Firedog> chad-tara: the website reccommends it becasue 32 bit will work on 64 bit and 32 bit Hardware, 64 bit will only work on 64 bit hardware and above? presuming there is one
[15:48] <linda_> chad-tara: That way, you don't have to change the partitioning IDs on your 64bit system.
[15:48] <Firedog> and here's the smile :)
[15:48] <cygnusnsf> chad-tara maybe a alternate word could be windows "gated" you?????
[15:48] <ActionParsnip> mahdi1364: ask away, no need to ask
[15:48] <mahdi1364> ok
[15:49] <mahdi1364> look
[15:49] <mahdi1364> I've got a HSPAData Card USB modem
[15:49] <linda_> mahdi1364: What ActionParsnip is trying to say is, don't ask to ask, just ask.
[15:50] <mahdi1364> is there an application so that I can send and recieve call and sms in ubuntu?
[15:50] <greves> anyone have any suggestions? is it easy enough to just use win7 partition as most of the drive and then any big files i'm downloading in ubuntu to save&run from windows partition?
[15:50] <linda_> mahdi1364: sms is just email.
[15:50] <MonkeyDust> mahdi1364  gammu
[15:51] <linda_> mahdi1364: but I don't know what you mean about "send and receive call"
[15:52] <Firedog> linda_: is sms just email? I thought it was Short Messaging Service used by cellular networks to mobile devices under the GSM suite of protocols
[15:52] <linda_> mahdi1364: Are you talking about VOIP?   If so, skype, for instance, will call and receive calls and send SMS to cell phones. (But again, any email client can send sms txt to cell phones.)
[15:52] <mahdi1364> I've got gammu but it only recognizes phones not my HSPAData card
[15:52] <linda_> mahdi1364: There is also google-talk
[15:52] <broglin> i'm having trouble getting my ethernet card to work properly. currently ping drops lots of packets. It's a realtek rtl8111/8168b on the motherboard and I have changed the driver to the realtek on, but that didn't help
[15:53] <broglin> any ideas on what to try?
[15:53] <broglin> the main problem is that it's very very very slow at the moment
[15:53] <Firedog> broglin: there is a chance that the "card" is broken
[15:53] <broglin> Firedog: true
[15:54] <Firedog> broglin: I had the same issue with a 3com card and replaced it like for like and the new one worked
[15:54] <broglin> Firedog: i'm not sure how i'd test that though...
[15:54] <mahdi1364> I'm a bit confused
[15:54] <Firedog> it would work but lots of dropouts
[15:54] <ActionParsnip> mahdi1364: how does it connect to the system?
[15:54] <mahdi1364> Action Parsnip:by USB
[15:54] <ActionParsnip> broglin: try disabling ipv6 if you don't use it, also try a different cable
[15:55] <Firedog> broglin: boot another OS which should work like windows, does it work there?
[15:55] <mahdi1364> Ita a 3g usb modem
[15:55] <ActionParsnip> mahdi1364: then run:  lsusb   one line will identify the device and you can use the 8 character hex ID to find guides
[15:55] <mahdi1364> ok
[15:55] <mahdi1364> thanks
[15:55] <anon> f
[15:56] <anon> s
[15:56] <Firedog> broglin: extending ActionParsnip's logic, check the port at the other end too
[15:56] <Frankzinbuh> hey guys, is there a web developer channel here somewhere?
[15:57] <Firedog> On IRC? I can almost guarantee it
[15:57] <Frankzinbuh> on this irc
[15:57] <oCean> !alis | Frankzinbuh
[15:58] <keyboard> is where heroes3 for linux?
[15:59] <remoteCTRL> ActionParsnip: i guess youre also out of ideas?
[15:59] <keyboard> hi every one...
[15:59] <Firedog> keyboard: Hi Dr Nick
[16:00] <keyboard> Firedog, :)is where a heroes3 for linux?
[16:01] <Firedog> good question if somewhat cryptic.
[16:01] <Firedog> keyboard: I do not know what heroes3 is.
[16:01] <linda_> Frankzinbuh: Are you interested in a CMS
[16:01] <linda_> ?
[16:01] <jimmysparkle> hey all - I'm using vmware fusion and I've added a couple of network adapters to my vm, how do I get them working and enable them in ubuntu server?
[16:02] <keyboard> Firedog, heroes3 is game
[16:02] <Firedog> keyboard: have you tried linuxgames?
[16:02] <goshawk> remoteCTRL, i asked a different thing
[16:02] <keyboard> Firedog, no,for windows game...
[16:03] <canterer> what is mean  like this  with ubuntu ---->  -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1772412 2011-11-25 23:36 vim*
[16:03] <Firedog> keyboard: if it is a windows game then the wine database winedb may help
[16:03] <keyboard> Firedog, i find a heroes3 for linux ..
[16:03] <canterer> vim*
[16:03] <canterer> '*' is what  ?
[16:03] <keyboard> Firedog, but....i not like wine...
[16:03] <linda_> canterer: It means that the owner has read write and executable permissions, other users have read ahd executable permissons.
[16:04] <linda_> *and not ahd
[16:04] <Sidewinder1> What program do I need to download/install, in order to read a file in root (/var/log_, named 'wtmp'? Or will System-->Administration-->Log File Viewer, do the trick? TIA..
[16:04] <canterer> not the permissons   I want to kown the '*'
[16:04] <canterer> vim*
[16:04] <Firedog> keyboard: http://www.lokigames.com/products/heroes3/
[16:05] <linda_> canterer: You want to know what vim is?
[16:05] <canterer> *
[16:05] <Firedog> google is your fiend :P
[16:05] <deej1976> !info vim
[16:05] <linda_> canterer: vim is a text editor
[16:05] <deej1976> !info vi
[16:06] <harrryyy> i like cake.
[16:06] <Firedog> nice
[16:06] <linda_> canterer: vim is a text editor specially geared for programmers. It's good for html and lots of uses, it's ok for regular text files too.
[16:06] <harrryyy> cake > linux
[16:06] <keyboard> Firedog, tks a lot...:)
[16:06] <oCean> harrryyy: please stay on topic
[16:06] <Firedog> keyboard: wine is awesome btw
[16:07] <linda_> !info vim
[16:07] <canterer> thanks  but I want to kown about vim* but not vim
[16:07] <genii-around> Sidewinder1: last -f /var/log/wtmp
[16:08] <canterer> crw-rw----   1 root tty       7, 132 2011-11-25 10:10 vcsa4
[16:08] <linda_> canterer: If vim is a file on your computer you can investigate for yourself.  First do  file vim
[16:08] <canterer> like this
[16:08] <zjhui> hello everyone , what do i need to do if want to downgrade the system?
[16:08] <canterer> vcsa4  is not vcsa4*
[16:08] <soreau> Frankzinbuh: #html, #css, #javascript, #php, $jquery, etc.
[16:08] <linda_> canterer: The command file will determine the file type.
[16:08] <soreau> hmm.. a little late
[16:09] <MonkeyDust> !downgrade| zjhui
[16:09] <linda_> canterer: file vsca4
[16:09] <canterer> vim ?
[16:10] <linda_> canterer: file vim
[16:10] <canterer> is a command
[16:10] <Sidewinder1> genii-around, Many tanks; will try..
[16:10] <linda_> canterer: which vim
[16:10] <canterer> but vim* and vsca4
[16:10] <zjhui> ubottu: but i think we can use some methord to downgrade the system also it has some risks
[16:11] <linda_> canterer: See my pm
[16:11] <Firedog> zjhui: it is possible in some cases but a reinstall would be most sensible to prevent issues
[16:11] <broglin> Firedog: thanks, it was the other end :)
[16:11] <Firedog> hehe
[16:11] <Firedog> win
[16:11] <Firedog> :)
[16:12] <ronald> hey friends :)
[16:12] <ronald> Does anyone in here still use dial up bbses?
[16:12] <zykotick9__> zjhui, FYI apt does not deal with downgrading very well (sometimes not at all) - reinstalling is only "supported" method to "downgrade"
[16:12] <broglin> another problem: about half the time when i boot up, i don't get the graphical login screen. sometimes sudo lightdm restart solves it, but sometimes not
[16:12] <Firedog> ronald: really? in 2011?
[16:12] <Sidewinder1> genii-around, Worked like a charm; you, truly, are a gentleman and a scholar.. :D
[16:13] <genii-around> Sidewinder1: You flatter me. But glad to assist.
[16:13] <ronald> Yes really in 2011
[16:13] <broglin> (I have to log in on a VT and run sudo lightdm restart from there)
[16:13] <zjhui> Firedog: hmm..i know, but i just want to have a try , and i don't have a clear method to deal it
[16:13] <Firedog> broglin: is there any correlation between cold and warm boots and this behaviour?
[16:14] <peteslaptop> Hello everyone.. Looking for some help installing a printer
[16:14] <peteslaptop> Having a very hard time
[16:14] <jrib> !print | peteslaptop
[16:14] <broglin> Firedog: not that I've detected
[16:15] <peteslaptop> Well..I've been there. Here's my problem. I downloaded the 'cupswrapper' from brother. I've double clicked it to install, no dice
[16:15] <Firedog> zjhui: I would suggest making sure you have a backup of all important files, yadda yadda then following the logic of manual upgrade, start with changing the apt-sources down to older version sources
[16:15] <jrib> peteslaptop: why are you downloading things?  What's the first thing you tried?
[16:15] <peteslaptop> I extracted the files to look for the .ppd file that it seems to be asking for.. no good either
[16:16] <Firedog> broglin: if it is a quirk you could add your sudo lightdm restart to the user startup scripts
[16:16] <peteslaptop> I tried to install it the 'normal' way and my printer isn't listed
[16:16] <Firedog> broglin: or just sudo lightdm start
[16:16] <zjhui> Firedog: ok , thank you
[16:16] <jrib> peteslaptop: what is the 'normal' way?
[16:16] <jrib> !who | peteslaptop
[16:17] <peteslaptop> Menu on the upper right corner. My computer sees my printer, no driver to install
[16:17] <Firedog> zjhui: then I would propose using dpkg downgrade on core system packages, this should cause a chain reaction
[16:17] <Firedog> zjhui: but it might just break
[16:18] <jrib> peteslaptop: is the printer connected directly to the computer or is it on the network?
[16:18] <peteslaptop> !jrib It's on my home network
[16:19] <Firedog> ronald: I think not, it's been a long time since they were active, even gopher is dead
[16:19] <Sidewinder1> zjhui, As stated above, back-up all essential data files, then, the simplest method, IMHO, would be to fresh install the version of your choice; "downgrading" is beyond problematic; again, IMHO.. Good luck!
[16:19] <jrib> peteslaptop: no need for the '!'
[16:19] <jrib> peteslaptop: what printer is this?
[16:19] <Firedog> Sidewinder1: its gonna break
[16:19] <peteslaptop> OK.. I'm new to this so you'll have to excuse me ignorance on how his thing works
[16:19] <mang0> The terminal based irc client is called ircii right?
[16:20] <ShinyDarkness> Hello. One question: Is there any way to remotely install Ubuntu on a machine?
[16:20] <jrib> mang0: weechat and irssi are more popular ones
[16:20] <MonkeyDust> irssi rules
[16:20] <jrib> !install | ShinyDarkness
[16:20] <mang0> jrib: irssi, that's the one I was thinking of. Ty
[16:20] <peteslaptop> jrib: was reading above ubottu.. sorry
[16:20] <mezod> hi, i'm installing the last ubuntu but i am stucked where i have to give the username and computer name. It says everything is ready but i can't press "continue". Is it normal that it takes around 30 or more min here?
[16:20] <zjhui> Sidewinder1: yes, thank you for your advice
[16:21] <peteslaptop> jirb: the printer is a HL-2280DW
[16:21] <jrib> mezod: did you checksum the cd?
[16:21] <peteslaptop> jrib: Brother
[16:21] <babinlonston> can i install windows software such as microsoft office ,yahoo messenger , google talk, in ubuntu is it possible ?
[16:21] <mang0> !wine | babinlonston
[16:21] <mezod> jrib no
[16:22] <Firedog> bablinlonston: yes, and its good. as mang0 suggested wine is win
[16:22] <mang0> babinlonston: WINE can run some (most) windows programs. Some work flawlessley, some not so good.
[16:22] <ronald> Well I have a list of a few dial up BBses that are still active if anyone is interested.
[16:22] <jrib> mezod: you should do so
[16:22] <jrib> !ot | ronald
[16:22] <mezod> jrib what is it and when should i do that?
[16:22] <jrib> !wine | babinlonston
[16:22] <Firedog> bablionston: also wine has a database with rankings to show how well things will work
[16:22] <babinlonston> kk
[16:22] <jrib> mezod: before installing you should select "check the cd for defects"
[16:23] <mang0> bobslaede: http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=app.db&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fappdb.winehq.org%2F&ei=1sDPTsmnC8PX8QOQ9rX1Dw&usg=AFQjCNGkDI5hX0oyO91fsJqS-d2L368mBQ&sig2=DmdafT6B_ypfYmaD4HW3yg
[16:23] <jrib> !verify | mezod
[16:23] <Sidewinder1> Firedog, Yes, but I think, as long as all irreplaceable data files are stored somewhere else, it may be the "easiest way", but again 'easiest' and successful are sometimes mutually exclusive..
[16:23] <jrib> peteslaptop: can you link me to where you downloaded files from brother's site?
[16:24] <woody_> this isnt server related but was wondering about mounting a usb "dev/sda1" ...its not recognized in etc/fstab ?
[16:24] <woody_> notebook has no hard drive live usb
[16:24] <Firedog> Sidewinder1: on a purely logical level, if something is unsuccessful then it cannot be easiest its like using string instead of wires. its cheaper but it doesn't work
[16:24] <Firedog> :P
[16:25] <mezod> jrib so this is not normal, isn't it? jow should i proceed, can i just stop the installation?
[16:25] <mezod> how*