[12:15] <Hobbsee> morning all
[12:16] <allee> Hobbsee: morning
[12:16] <Riddell> good morning Hobbsee
[12:16] <Hobbsee> hey allee, Riddell :)
[12:16] <Hobbsee> (wow, Riddell is still up? i must be online early!)
[12:18] <Riddell> it's only past 11
[12:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: good point.  i never think of UK timezones while up this early.  i usually think that my start of day is when all the UK people are asleep.
[12:21] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: you are up too early
[12:22] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yeah, i know.  at least i wont get lectured for a few hours today, which means i wont lose my sanity quite so quickly...
[12:24] <Riddell> superstoned: do you have  /usr/share/hwdb-client/sound.wav ?
[12:24] <Riddell> superstoned: and does `artsplay /usr/share/hwdb-client/sound.wav` do anything?  that's all the hwdb client does
[12:25] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, that's what i was going to test...
[12:27] <Hobbsee> 95% [16 Sources 38396/265kB 14%]  [15 Sources 142537/265kB 53%]                                   429B/s 13m33s
[12:27] <Hobbsee> yay.....
[12:28] <Hobbsee> oh cool!!!
[12:36] <allee> Riddell: sound.wav is here and artsplay plays it happily but hwdb-client sound check -> no sound
[12:37] <Riddell> allee: you get the animated speaker?
[12:37] <allee> Riddell: no
[12:39] <Riddell> allee: what version are you using? from kubuntu.org?
[12:40] <allee> Riddell: URL you posted 0.6-0ubuntu11
[12:40] <Hobbsee> hmm.  are we supposed to hear sound?
[12:41] <Hobbsee> and an option to replay the sound would be cool, in case we've got systems muted the first time around, etc - especially as there's no back button
[12:42] <Hobbsee> interesting, my sound has gone awol.
[12:42] <Riddell> ok, new version uploaded http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/hwdb/
[12:42] <Riddell> Hobbsee: if you don't get an animated speaker you have a broken version
[12:43] <Riddell> it's got a Test Again button, I'll add a Back button and I'll look at getting to set the volume to something sane
[12:43] <Hobbsee> hey cool, it didtn last version
[12:44] <Hobbsee> pcm was muted.  curse it.
[12:44] <Hobbsee> even aplay screwed up with that.
[12:48] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you know what else that thing needs?  a "add this page to my LP account" or something - an option to type in your LP ID, so that we can get a users system specs if they've run the database.
[12:49] <Hobbsee> bah.  not much of use there.
[12:49] <allee> heh, guidance p-m claims I have a 50 % loaded battery in my desktop
[12:49] <Riddell> allee: I've not worked out the best way to decide whether to show the applet or not.  maybe I should just use laptop-detect
[12:50] <imbrandon> lol @ allee
[12:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: people would get nervous if it wasn't anonymous
[12:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: true that.  isnt that why it would be an option?
[12:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: but that's playing with the database which I'm not doing for edgy, might well for edgy+1 though
[12:50] <imbrandon> Hobbsee: you could probably poke the guys in LP to add a field to the profile of LP users just as the jabber field and such for the whdb link
[12:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right, yep
[12:51] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: true that.  first i want a tickbox for "this is a wishlist" for the bugs.
[12:51] <imbrandon> lol
[12:51] <allee> Riddell: fwiw laptop-detect return the right thing for my laptop and desktop system
[12:52] <imbrandon> Riddell: mine too, just checked ( the laptop-detect thing )
[12:52] <Riddell> allee: question is, if the applet doesn't show itself how do I get the user to be able to hibernate
[12:53] <allee> Riddell: but display brightness (never tried) suspend and hypernate are interesting for a desktop sys too
[12:53] <allee> Riddell: yeah
[12:53] <Riddell> we need to patch ksmserver
[12:53] <imbrandon> Riddell: more key bindings maybe ?
[12:53] <Riddell> I looked at the suse patch but it needs re-written to work with HAL, and on the night I looked at it I wasn't feeling up to it :)
[12:53] <imbrandon> heheh
[12:54] <allee> Riddell: if ! laptop-detect then set icon 'Powercable' instead of 'Battery+Powercable'?
[12:55] <allee> Riddell: grep. 0ubuntu12 plays the test sound now
[12:55] <Hobbsee> while i remember, we probably should check out kcfmclient, or whatever it is - whatever is setting the default browser, so that we can actually *have* a default browser for all apps over the entire system.
[12:56] <allee> Riddell: there's a dot after the soundcard name missing
[12:56] <Riddell> Hobbsee: default browser in KDE is konqueror, Debian's www-browser might not match KDE's browser however
[12:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: true that.  i'm meaning that if you change it in system settings, it doesnt actually reflect across the whole system - just most of it.
[12:57] <Hobbsee> the stuff that still uses kfcmclient, or whatever it is, all still use konq.
[12:57] <Hobbsee> which would be "a bug", i suspect
[12:57] <Riddell> allee: agreed, add it to the Feedback page and I'll not forget it
[12:57] <allee> k
[12:59] <Hobbsee> class time
[01:04] <allee> Cool. Most of the 'special keys' of my usb keyboard work!
[01:04] <Riddell> yay
[01:05] <Riddell> allee: which keys do you have?
[01:05] <Riddell> allee: edgy?
[01:05] <allee> edgy yes ...
[01:06] <nixternal> http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/?xml=32f91fc9a56f28e86cadc0d209fec794
[01:06] <imbrandon> wow , actualy so do mine , cool
[01:06] <nixternal> Riddell: sweet job on that hardware database stuff!!
[01:06] <imbrandon> the only ones that dont are my browerser back/forward/stop buttons
[01:06] <allee> forward backwork stop reload [House icons - does not work]  email [TFT icon -does not work]  [calculator - does not work]  mute stop prev next audiostart/pause [note - does not work] , [volume key - does notwork]
[01:07] <imbrandon> ohh yea and calculator dosent work
[01:08] <Riddell> calculator doesn't have a standard keycode, we can't set that by default
[01:08] <Riddell> volume keys should work
[01:08] <allee> imbrandon: calcumtor has keycode ... ?  here it's oh,  it had Keysym 'F12
[01:08] <Riddell> allee: presumably you have two volume keys?
[01:08] <imbrandon> allee: http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/misc/workzone.jpg  <--- is that the keyboard you have ?
[01:09] <allee> Riddell: no, one 'key' you can turn to left and right .. wait picture ..
[01:10] <imbrandon> Riddell: calc isnt the same on all keyboards with it ?
[01:10] <Riddell> allee: what keycode does xev report it to be?
[01:10] <Riddell> imbrandon: not as far as I can tell
[01:10] <allee> http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/dell-black-multimedia-keyboard-with-usb-hub.jpg
[01:11] <Riddell> weird
[01:11] <imbrandon> hrm dinner brb
[01:11] <allee> Riddell: xev shows nothing.  AFAIR when I looked into it, I found nothing at all, when using kern module evdebug
[01:12] <Riddell> ah well, not much can be done about it then :(
[01:12] <allee> not sure it it's name was evbug
[01:12] <allee> yes
[01:14] <allee> Is XF86Mail really expected to open 'e-mail composer' window?  At least me expected kmail/kontact coming up
[01:17] <allee> #$%^@: special keys stoped working :(  ...
[01:18] <allee> When one sets keyboard layout in 'regional and languae'  XF86* settings are lost (as I almost expected ;)
[01:19] <allee> Riddell: are the XF86* defs loaded via setxbkmap  not via #inculdes in the xdb/symbols/ files?
[01:21] <mornfall> aaaaa
[01:22] <mornfall> *wasted(*
[01:22] <mornfall> -(
[01:22] <allee> mornfall: ?
[01:22] <mornfall> absinth + tequilla + beer = evil
[01:22] <allee> lol
[01:22] <mornfall> world is spinning freely, regardless of what i want
[01:23] <mornfall> fiancee broke up with me last thursday... hurts
[01:23] <mornfall> but now... world is spinning
[01:23] <mornfall> like, totally
[01:23] <imbrandon> heh
[01:42] <superstoned> riddell: /usr/share/hwdb-client/sound.wav is there. and artsplay works. but no sound.
[01:45] <seaLne> Riddell: bug #55501 shoud sec policy be part of system-settings, i don't think it should appear as a standalone item in the menu
[01:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 55501 in kdeadmin "secpolicy ships no .desktop" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/55501
[02:59] <bddebian> Hello
[03:15] <Hobbsee> hi again all
[03:16] <bddebian> Hello again Ms. Kubuntu :-)
[03:17] <freeflying> morning all
[03:17] <bddebian> Hi freeflying
[03:17] <Hobbsee> bddebian: hah.  so i'm married to Mr Kubuntu now?
[03:17] <bddebian> No, that would be Mrs. Kubuntu :-)
[03:18] <Hobbsee> oh, guess Ms can refer to either Miss.  or Mrs
[03:30] <Hobbsee> drat.  i uploaded something this morning, and now, 2 hours later, there's an update from debian about it.
[03:30] <bddebian> I hate that
[03:41] <Hobbsee> it looks to be a straight sync, but they've done the rules file differently
[03:41] <Hobbsee> looks like fabo/toma/etc maintain it
[03:51] <glick> excuse me, is there a reason why reiserfs isnt available as an option in the kubuntu desktop install?
[03:51] <Hobbsee> glick: alternate or desktop cd install?
[03:51] <glick> desktop
[03:52] <Hobbsee> glick: because it hasnt been written yet.
[03:52] <Hobbsee> actually, i'm not sure if it's now on the edgy install cds
[03:52] <glick> cause its like 50 times faster then ext3 you would think it would be the default instead of crappy ext3
[03:54] <imbrandon> glick: becouse qtparted thats used dosent support reiserfs, you can use the alternate if you want it
[03:54] <imbrandon> it will be avaible in the future
[03:54] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: good point.  i didnt know that.
[03:55] <glick> cool
[03:58] <Hobbsee> hi jjesse
[03:58] <jjesse> hiya Hobbsee
[03:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i only worked with qtparted a little bit.  for dh_iconcache.  anything else looked far too scary
[03:59] <imbrandon> lol
[03:59] <imbrandon> heya jjesse
[03:59] <Hobbsee> that was a fair few months ago though
[04:02] <jjesse> hiya imbrandon
[04:03] <jjesse> sorry for the delay :)
[04:06] <jjesse> @timechicago
[04:06] <jjesse> @ time chicago
[04:06] <Ubugtu> Current time in America/Chicago: August 16 2006, 21:06:56
[04:28] <nixternal> jjesse: you forget the time?
[04:28] <nixternal> plus you aren't in the chicago time zone, you are one up ;)
[04:28] <jjesse> nixternal: grin i'm in nebraska same time zone :)
[04:28] <nixternal> oh
[04:28] <nixternal> corn huskers!!!
[04:29] <nixternal> while you are there, make us a Kubuntu crop circle
[04:37] <bddebian> heh
[04:37] <jjesse> mmmm crop circles
[04:39] <Hobbsee> crop circles?
[04:43] <ajmitch> firefox-using aliens?
[04:43] <nixternal> oh ya Hobbsee, they are the talk of the land..it seems what ever firefox does, the ubuntu marketing teams wants to do
[04:43] <nixternal> ajmitch: you hit it right on the head
[04:43] <Hobbsee> ahhh...right...
[04:43] <ajmitch> nixternal: such imagination
[04:43] <nixternal> hehe
[04:44] <nixternal> i told them that it was done in firefox..they didn't believe me until i showed them all the "crop circle" tutorials out there
[04:44] <nixternal> s/firefox/photoshop ;)
[04:44] <nixternal> you know since firefox and photoshop are so close to being the same ;)
[04:44] <nixternal> ok, that was a bad knee jerker, i apologize
[04:44] <ajmitch> who knows, the firefox crop circle may actually be true :)
[04:45] <nixternal> i wouldn't doubt it..i remember when mozilla was here in chicago..they used to do all kinds of whacky things
[05:02] <imbrandon> http://lug.oregonstate.edu/gallery/firefox-crop-circle/mg_5560
[06:53] <Hobbsee> yay.  i hate fixing packages that i've botched.
[07:09] <Hobbsee> but, my menus do recreate correctly now, which fixes another problem.
[08:29] <seaLne> did anything get done about Bug #50387
[08:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 50387 in kdenetwork "Default "privacy" settings don't respect privacy" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/50387
[10:22] <imbrandon> nixternal: ping
[10:23] <nixternal> pong
[11:26] <Riddell> seaLne: as far as I can tell secpolicy doesn't do anything
[11:28] <seaLne> does that mean there isn't a way to set it?
[11:32] <Riddell> http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdeadmin/secpolicy/Makefile.am?rev=438982&view=log
[11:33] <Riddell> it was made 6 years ago but never worked on, the program should be deleted
[12:50] <Riddell> abattoir: ping
[12:50] <Riddell> abattoir: what news?
[02:07] <Riddell> "I correct the last bug" some optimism there from my SoC student :)
[02:07] <Riddell> freeflying: damn, I need to look at your scim change, don't let me forget
[02:08] <freeflying> Riddell: :)
[02:08] <freeflying> Riddell: also the scim-qtimm  :)
[03:11] <seaLne> anyone know whats going on with libssp0? it keeps getting removed and then installed on my machine
[03:11] <Hobbsee> hi seaLne
[03:11] <Hobbsee> er, no?  as in, each upgrade that happens, or it never fully installs, or what?
[03:12] <seaLne> well starting yesterday it got removed this morning it got installed and then just there it got uninstalled
[03:12] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:12] <Hobbsee> sudo dpkg --configure -a?
[03:13] <seaLne> i don't think its related to ff themes being broken
[03:14] <seaLne> ah its just  due to dependancies on specific versions of gcc
[03:14] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[03:50] <Tm_T> hi kids
[03:51] <Tm_T> "Kopete 0.12 has been moved in the KDE 3.5 branch and will be included in KDE 3.5.5"
[03:51] <Tm_T> just so you know ;)
[03:51] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: do you have a changelog for it?
[03:51] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: humm, no
[03:51] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: apachelogger made some packages, which i redid so that they were correct - but we have no changelog for it
[03:51] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: can you find one please?  we cant get a UVF exception without it
[03:52] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: gof just did mv between branches
[03:52] <Tm_T> humm, I'll look at it
[03:52] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: changelog from 0.11.x ?
[03:52] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: changelog from 0.12.1 to 0.12.2, really
[03:53] <Tm_T> ok
[03:59] <Riddell> Hobbsee: we need to ask on the kopete-devel mailing lsit
[03:59] <Riddell> list
[03:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right.  can you do it, mailing lists *hate* me...
[04:00] <Riddell> ok
[04:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: for some reason, my ISP wont let me send email from thunderbird to any @l.u.c address.  go figure.
[04:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: good morning, btw
[04:04] <Riddell> morning
[04:37] <bddebian> Heya
[04:50] <Hobbsee> allee: ping?
[04:58] <allee> Hobbsee: pong
[04:58] <allee> Hobbsee: you know by addident why for kppp 'call kppp-options' was removed as default option in 'pppd arguments'? ;)
[04:59] <Hobbsee> no, but i doubt that anything was done with it
[04:59] <allee> Hobbsee: heh, had a long fight to get it into debian.
[05:00] <allee> Hobbsee: but I see a can't scare  you away...  So why did you ping me?
[05:00] <Hobbsee> allee: digikam*-docs got rejected for a sync - no upstream licence file.
[05:00] <Hobbsee> wasnt sure who was going to want to fix it
[05:01] <allee> eh??  URL?   you mean no LGPL file in the tarball?
[05:01] <Hobbsee> allee: dont panic about it, i'm not going to eat you :)
[05:01] <Hobbsee> allee: you're not in #ubuntu-devel?
[05:01] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[05:02] <allee> No
[05:02] <Hobbsee> allee: http://rafb.net/paste/results/9sxHmi57.html
[05:02] <Hobbsee> ah
[05:02] <Hobbsee> no, not this late at night - and my head hurts :(
[05:02] <Hobbsee> so i cant take in much info atm anyway
[05:04] <Hobbsee> allee: keybuk's the one you need to speak to - he's the one that checks such things.
[05:04] <Hobbsee> apparently there are bugs in debian about it already
[05:05] <allee> Hobbsee: oh, okay.  checking all this stuff
[05:05] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[05:07] <hunt0r> Does anyone have a solution for this bug? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/35760
[05:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 35760 in Ubuntu "dapper f5: konsole transparency" [Medium,Confirmed]
[05:09] <Hobbsee> hunt0r: does that happen as a new user?
[05:09] <Hobbsee> and does it happen on kde 3.5.4?
[05:09] <Hobbsee> it goes all pretty like my desktop :)
[05:09] <hunt0r> Hobbsee: well it happens as root and on kde 3.5.4
[05:10] <hunt0r> i deleted .kde/share/apps/konsole and .kde/share/config/konsolerc
[05:10] <hunt0r> and it still there and I really HATE this
[05:11] <hunt0r> and only a few people seem to have this bug so i think there might be a workaround
[05:12] <Hobbsee> hunt0r: what happens if you mv .kde .kdeold and restart x?
[05:12] <Hobbsee> does the problem go away then?
[05:12] <hunt0r> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/52999 <-is a duplicate of this bug ^^
[05:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52999 in kdebase "Konsole Transparency" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]
[05:12] <Hobbsee> oh hello...
[05:13] <hunt0r> just for another dicription maybe you understand then better :)
[05:13] <hunt0r> Hobbsee: hmm... well I have to try that
[05:13] <Hobbsee> setting an option as the default seems to be broken.
[05:14] <Hobbsee> oh, wait, pebkac error
[05:16] <hunt0r> Hobbsee: can you try to select a scheme switch on tranysparancy click on applay then select another scheme and switch back to the one you enabled transparency? On my machine the Transparency setting is then gone
[05:18] <Hobbsee> hunt0r: via settings, schema?  works as expected,
[05:18] <Lure> hunt0r: also here...
[05:18] <hunt0r> hmm... this sux :(
[05:18] <Lure> hunt0r: did you use "Save as Defaults"
[05:19] <hunt0r> Lure: yes I don't have this bug only on kubuntu on other ditros it works
[05:19] <hunt0r> *distros
[05:19] <Hobbsee> hunt0r: i'd try moving your .kde out of the way, and seeing if it still happens
[05:19] <hunt0r> But I don't understand why not everyone has this bug
[05:20] <Hobbsee> if it doesnt, then your config files are to blame
[05:20] <hunt0r> i will do that now brb
[05:20] <Hobbsee> yay for removing all but the most cruicial bits of my config :)
[05:24] <Hobbsee> hi fritsch
[05:24] <Hobbsee> ohhhh...
[05:24] <Hobbsee> fritsch: i built dapper kopete i386 debs, btw.  i should publish them.  did you get yours to build?
[05:25] <fritsch> Hobbsee: yes they build without problem, with your updated patch
[05:25] <Hobbsee> fritsch: yay :)
[05:25] <fritsch> Hobbsee: did you get my mail with the amarok patch?
[05:25] <Hobbsee> eh.  cant get at them, machine is down for maintenance
[05:25] <Hobbsee> fritsch: yep.  only glanced at it though
[05:26] <fritsch> Hobbsee: i only came to this patch, because, i went from amarok (debian unstable) to ubuntu amarok and wow! doubled the artists in my collection :-)+
[05:27] <Hobbsee> hum.  i might look for the full debdiff for that...
[05:27] <Hobbsee> fritsch: heh.  useful.  any other debian patches that we want?
[05:27] <Hobbsee> *hasnt checked their changelogs*
[05:27] <hunt0r> hi again
[05:27] <Hobbsee> heya
[05:27] <hunt0r> it didn't work :(
[05:27] <hunt0r> same problem with fresh .kde dir
[05:27] <Hobbsee> right
[05:28] <fritsch> Hobbsee: none so far, did not find anything disturbing me amarok
[05:28] <fritsch> Hobbsee: using current edgy on dapper (but did not realize any changes?)
[05:28] <fritsch> Hobbsee: used riddels 1.4.1 before
[05:29] <Hobbsee> right, yep
[05:30] <Hobbsee> no, wait, i only do for -0ubuntu3, not -0ubuntu4, seeing as i didnt do the last change
[05:30] <Hobbsee> or was that kopete...
[05:30] <fritsch> Hobbsee: me runs ubunt3
[05:30] <Hobbsee> fritsch: 1.4.2 will have some nice bugfixes in it - worth updating to it
[05:30] <fritsch> Hobbsee: when was it released?
[05:30] <fritsch> Hobbsee: ah "will have"
[05:30] <Hobbsee> fritsch: it's *not* yet
[05:31] <Hobbsee> 20th, supposedly.  they delayed it.
[05:31] <seaLne> changelog for cdr-tools looks promising
[05:31] <fritsch> Hobbsee: they are still at beta1?
[05:31] <Hobbsee> fritsch: yeah
[05:31] <fritsch> Hobbsee: 20th is damn fast?
[05:31] <fritsch> Hobbsee: is one beta enough?
[05:31] <hunt0r> Hobbsee: do you have another idea why my konsole transperancy does not work the way it should?
[05:31] <Hobbsee> didnt find many/any problems with the beta
[05:32] <Hobbsee> hunt0r: nope.  apart from possible fancy graphics card botch ups, or something
[05:32] <fritsch> Hobbsee: cool, last time i saw you searching 1.4-beta1 builds, did you find something?
[05:32] <hunt0r> Hobbsee: you can not transfer playlist to an Ipod with the current amaroK beta
[05:33] <Hobbsee> fritsch: yeah.  i've got i386 debs of that, which i'm just using locally here
[05:33] <Hobbsee> hunt0r: ah great.  fixed with 1.4.2 final?
[05:33] <fritsch> Hobbsee: build for edgy, i think, are the sources online?
[05:33] <Hobbsee> ahh...htey might be
[05:34] <fritsch> Hobbsee: I just wait for you ;-) and test you packages
[05:34] <Hobbsee> nope
[05:34] <hunt0r> Hobbsee: I don't know sry
[05:34] <Hobbsee> they arent
[05:34] <Hobbsee> fritsch: they do exist.  they're just on a machine that is currently down for maintenence, on another continent.
[05:35] <Hobbsee> fritsch: sounds good to me
[05:35] <Hobbsee> hunt0r: hmm ok
[05:35] <fritsch> Hobbsee: i am still using dapper... but could upgrade my laptop ... if it would be helpfull
[05:35] <Hobbsee> fritsch: it still likes breaking - i wouldnt upgrade yet
[05:35] <fritsch> Hobbsee: used debian unstable over 5 years ;-)
[05:36] <hunt0r> kdeui (KRootPixmap): [/tmp/buildd/kdelibs-3.5.4/./kdeui/krootpixmap.cpp:271]  activating background exports. Does anyone now what that means? (Message from konsole)
[05:37] <fritsch> Hobbsee: dapper was "partly" a cool release
[05:37] <fritsch> Hobbsee: with kde 3.5.4, amarok 1.4.1, wpasupplicant bakcport, network-manager backport quiet usable
[05:37] <insanekane> hi hunt0r
[05:37] <hunt0r> hi ...
[05:37] <hunt0r> :)
[05:38] <Hobbsee> hi insanekane
[05:38] <insanekane> hi Hobbsee
[05:38] <fritsch> Hobbsee: i build my own, + network-manager 0.6.4
[05:39] <insanekane> Hobbsee: have you heard anything regarding any networking configuration tool for Kubuntu ?
[05:39] <fritsch> Hobbsee: the standard dapper one, did not realize, when i unloaded wireless modul
[05:39] <fritsch> insanekane: knetworkmanager?
[05:39] <insanekane> Hobbsee: as in, dialup, pppoe, the works ?
[05:39] <Hobbsee> fritsch: scary.  there are a fair few ubuntu patches
[05:39] <insanekane> fritsch: uh ...
[05:39] <Hobbsee> ack, whatever happened to my konversation?
[05:40] <fritsch> Hobbsee: yes, the problem was, even the "original sources" > ubuntu sources version, did not have a go an many computers i saw
[05:40] <fritsch> Hobbsee: wpa troubel, wep trouble, etc.
[05:40] <Hobbsee> true that
[05:41] <Hobbsee> insanekane: network config...ah, _Sime did some nice work with the section in system settings, there were a fair few bugfixes of kubuntu bugs in kde 3.5.4 of it
[05:41] <fritsch> Hobbsee: very cool for dapper are the suspend2 enabled kernels from Bernard Blackham, totally cool, suspend2disk in 20 seconds
[05:41] <Hobbsee> insanekane: i'm assuming knm will be installed/working by default
[05:41] <Hobbsee> fritsch: already discussed on the ubuntu-devel mailing list
[05:41] <insanekane> Hobbsee: knm seems to be very much wireless centric
[05:42] <fritsch> Hobbsee: i was able to enable suspend2 on 3 Computers (athlon, pentium, tv card, nvidia) no matter, totally cool
[05:42] <fritsch> me says "Hello Pavel" :-)+
[05:42] <insanekane> Hobbsee: and pppoeconf doesnt work with the widely used adsl connections available in kerala (india)
[05:43] <Hobbsee> insanekane: it's never worked, iirc
[05:43] <Hobbsee> insanekane: true that....you were asking about dial up?
[05:43] <insanekane> Hobbsee: wierd ... yes
[05:43] <insanekane> Hobbsee: i am looking out for an integrated solution for networking configuration
[05:44] <Hobbsee> besides, suspend2, etc, is not technically a kubuntu (ie, kde dm) issue
[05:44] <fritsch> Hobbsee: yes, of course
[05:44] <Hobbsee> insanekane: i think it's supposed to get it, eventually.  but do tell, if you find one :)
[05:44] <fritsch> Hobbsee: following the kernel lkml discussion since about 2 years
[05:45] <Hobbsee> insanekane: it's not really been looked at, as we dont have the testers for it.  Riddell might know mroe
[05:45] <fritsch> Hobbsee: have to leave, if there are amarok packages, whatever, kopete for dapper, i should test ... just respond to my email
[05:46] <Hobbsee> fritsch: cool :)
[05:46] <Hobbsee> fritsch: there wont be tonight, anyway :)
[05:46] <fritsch> Hobbsee: will sleep tonight ;-)
[05:46] <hunt0r> Are there newer precompiled kernels available for kubuntu?
[05:46] <Hobbsee> hmmm...sleep...
[05:46] <Hobbsee> hunt0r: what version were you after?  packages.ubuntu.com also answers your question
[05:46] <fritsch> Hobbsee: hehe, me thinks of yesterday ... (mate rocks)
[05:47] <insanekane> Hobbsee: whats not been looked at ?
[05:47] <Hobbsee> insanekane: the whole issue of kppp/dialup/etc
[05:47] <insanekane> Hobbsee: actually, from looking around, it seems I would have to write my own app for it
[05:47] <Hobbsee> insanekane: could be more useful to contribute to knm if possible, perhaps?
[05:47] <hunt0r> Hobbsee: Well the 2.16.* bacouse of the better suspend function and so on
[05:48] <insanekane> Hobbsee: riddell told me the network config in kcontrol is extremely buggy
[05:48] <Hobbsee> hunt0r: no, we've only got 2.6.15 on edgy and 2.6.17 on dapper
[05:48] <Hobbsee> insanekane: indeed.
[05:48] <Hobbsee> hunt0r: er...swap the releases there
[05:48] <hunt0r> Hobbsee: well I think 2.6.17.* will do it also xD
[05:49] <Hobbsee> hunt0r: true that.  if you're going to do painful things like that, you may as well upgrade to edgy, and deal with the consequences
[05:49] <Hobbsee> seeing as if you can compile your own kernel, you should be able to manipulate apt.
[05:49] <insanekane> Hobbsee: thats what I said ... it seems to me that knetworkmanager (or its gnome equivalent) is very much wireless oriented
[05:49] <insanekane> Hobbsee: what do you think about it ?
[05:49] <Hobbsee> insanekane: true that.  well, it also works with standard eth0 connections.
[05:49] <Hobbsee> insanekane: dialup stuff, etc, i thought i read was on their to-do list
[05:50] <Hobbsee> actually, i want a patch for knm.
[05:50] <Hobbsee> well, apparently there's one upstream, but i havent been able to find it
[05:50] <insanekane> patch for what ?
[05:50] <Hobbsee> to fix the darned "oh no, i broke, i cant access kwallet, type in your passphrase again" bug.
[05:50] <insanekane> Hobbsee: upstream ? isn't it an Ubuntu project ?
[05:50] <Hobbsee> insanekane: no, knetworkmanager is mostly by kde/opensuse people, iirc
[05:51] <Hobbsee> it's certainly not kubutnu specific
[05:51] <hunt0r> Hobbsee: well I don't want to bouild my own kernel I would like precompiled kernels :)
[05:51] <Hobbsee> insanekane: perhaps you were thinking of katapult?
[05:51] <insanekane> Hobbsee: isn't knetworkmanager a frontend to a mostly gnome project ?
[05:51] <Hobbsee> hunt0r: doubt it will happen
[05:51] <Hobbsee> insanekane: yes.
[05:51] <insanekane> Hobbsee: hence, I thought it was an Ubuntu project :)
[05:52] <Hobbsee> insanekane: ahhh...no, knetworkmanager is upstream kde, with a whole lot of stuff from opensuse (well, that's where the main page is), networkmanager stuff is on the gnome.org ftp site.  which actually doestn matter that much, as the changes under the hood of the app arent gnome-specific
[05:52] <Hobbsee> s/gnome-/dm-/
[05:53] <Hobbsee> knm seems to be surprisingly hard to find, actually
[05:54] <insanekane> Hobbsee: well, i dont know how far kde and gnome are cooperating on this ... i guess the sick feeling I get in my stomach that one fine day network manager will cause me to download the whole gnome libs, is just plain unfounded :)
[05:55] <hunt0r> AHHHHHHHHH SKIM I HATE YOU
[05:56] <hunt0r> sry for that i found out why I have this konsole bug -.-
[05:56] <Hobbsee> insanekane: no, nm != n-m-g
[05:56] <Riddell> hunt0r: hmm?
[05:56] <Hobbsee> hunt0r: haha, what was it?
[05:57] <hunt0r> I just deinstalled skim and now it works just fine
[05:57] <insanekane> Hobbsee: http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ <- this what you talkin about ?
[05:57] <Hobbsee> hunt0r: right.  document it :P
[05:58] <insanekane> hunt0r: thats bad :/
[05:58] <Hobbsee> insanekane: yeah.  there's the backend, which are all the other debs apart from network-manager-gnome, pretty much.  network-manager will never need network-manager-gnome to run
[05:58] <Hobbsee> hunt0r: once you write that in the bug report, can you change the package name to skim please?
[05:59] <hunt0r> Hobbsee: aehm package name wich package name?
[05:59] <Hobbsee> skim?
[05:59] <Hobbsee> or scim?
[05:59] <insanekane> Hobbsee: probably both
[06:00] <hunt0r> scim with c sry my foult ^^
[06:00] <Hobbsee> insanekane: true that.  freeflying will see them thouhg.
[06:00] <Hobbsee> hunt0r: not a problem, you'd be suprised how many bugs are pebkac/config errors.
[06:00] <Hobbsee> hunt0r: besides, we've found the solution now, to point people there :)
[06:02] <insanekane> Hobbsee: pebkac ?
[06:02] <insanekane> Hobbsee: dialup support requires Yast :/
[06:02] <Hobbsee> insanekane: problem exists between keyboard and chair
[06:02] <Hobbsee> insanekane: yeah, feel free to fix it upstream :)
[06:02] <Hobbsee> insanekane: that's why we dont exactly support it
[06:03] <Hobbsee> we usually have kppp for such things
[06:03] <insanekane> Hobbsee: having multiple tools for this seems bad ... now, i would have to implement some software to handle pppoe ... and then there would be 3 networking config apps :/
[06:05] <Hobbsee> insanekane: i'd fix kppp first, in a way that wouldnt be painful for security, until knm gets a little more stable.  and help knm get more stable, if you feel like it.
[06:05] <Hobbsee> true though
[06:05] <Hobbsee> that's almost as bad as having 3 versions of the same piece of software in 2 distros.  that drove me nuts.
[06:13] <Hobbsee> night all
[06:13] <Hobbsee> hey toma
[06:13] <toma> hi Hobbsee
[06:13] <toma> good night ;-)
[06:14] <Hobbsee> insanekane: feel free to add it to the agenda - the dialup stuff - we need someone to look at it and make some decisions on what should be done with it - how to make it work ootb, etc
[06:14] <toma> bye
[06:14] <insanekane> Hobbsee: the agenda ?
[06:15] <toma> insanekane: see last item in the topic
[06:17] <insanekane> toma: ah ok ... yeah well, im not in the kubuntu team ... so how can i add stuff ?
[06:18] <toma> insanekane: go to the agenda and edit the page
[06:18] <toma> if you have an account, that is sufficient
[06:18] <toma> and come to the irc meeting to talk about it
[06:25] <yuriy> _Sime: now how to store some default schemes..
[06:27] <toma> allee: ping
[06:32] <seaLne> anyone else tried todays daily desktop?
[06:32] <seaLne> bug #56721
[06:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 56721 in ubiquity "ubiquity (kde) crash at welcome screen" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/56721
[06:48] <allee> uhm, no COPYRIGHT or LGPL file in d*-doc tarball :(
[06:48] <allee> toma: ^^ Hobbsee told me :(
[06:49] <toma> allee: see discussion in #ubuntu-devel
[06:49] <allee> toma: I check if there's new stuff ...
[06:50] <allee> toma: the release_digikam-doc.rb does not copy LICENSE files :(  I'll fix it
[06:58] <raphink> !seen kwwii
[06:58] <ubotu> kwwii is on IRC right now!
[06:58] <seaLne> thats usefull
[06:59] <Riddell> he is?
[07:02] <seaLne> apparently he is according to /whois
[07:04] <Riddell> idle for 7 days but
[07:22] <Riddell> mornfall: what's a good branch of adept to work on if I want to look at adding support for ubuntu's commercial repositories?
[07:24] <mornfall> dunnow
[07:24] <mornfall> depends where you want to include it
[07:24] <mornfall> i... don't know what will happen to adept
[07:24] <mornfall> i am completely screwed up... sorry
[07:25] <Riddell> tick box in adept-installer
[07:25] <mornfall> where as in which ubuntu release
[07:25] <mornfall> well
[07:25] <mornfall> i don't know
[07:25] <mornfall> i don't have strength to work on anything now
[07:26] <mornfall> so... do as you can
[07:26] <Riddell> mornfall: ok, will do
[07:27] <mornfall> am really sorry about that... but i am alone, broken and weary... with little hope of getting better soon
[07:27] <mornfall> and i'll go for a walk... see you later
[07:27] <Riddell> take care
[07:31] <Riddell> testers needed http://www.micoulou.info/kformat/KMFormat0.1beta.tar.gz
[07:34] <Hawkwind> What's KMformat ?
[07:42] <el> Riddell, hm, hwdb requires edgy... i won't be able to have a look today then. is monday/tuesday ok? (since i'll go canoing during the weekend)
[07:57] <Riddell> el: yeah sorry, I forgot about that when I e-mailed you
[07:57] <Riddell> el: you can create a chroot if you don't want to do the full upgrade
[07:57] <Riddell> el: canoeing sounds nice
[07:58] <el> Riddell, i'll try the full update tomorrow during work hours. if it doesn't work, i'll ask you what a chroot is ;-)
[08:13] <Riddell> Hawkwind: it's a summer of code project to make a programme that can format floppy and usb disks
[08:29] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+topcontributors  go hobbsee
[08:30] <Hawkwind> Hah.  She's moving up the list quickly
[08:30] <toma> Riddell: where is your name?
[08:31] <Riddell> toma: I have lots of karma but not in any of those lists for some reason, I think it doesn't count spec tracking
[08:35] <sebas> Riddell: Do you have Jane's phone number?
[08:35] <sebas> Not the private one, though :>
[08:37] <Riddell> sebas: Jane Silbs?
[08:37] <sebas> From the Canonical MT, the one Aaron and me talked with in Paris, is that J. Silbs?
[08:38] <Riddell> yes
[08:38] <sebas> Yeah, that one then :>
[09:00] <seaLne> todays alternate install works
[09:06] <seaLne> Riddell: you in edinburgh on saturday?
[09:07] <Riddell> seaLne: only very briefly
[09:07] <Riddell> seaLne: I could come to the next scotlug
[09:09] <seaLne> ok, i suppose i could just take the sun through then get my parents to drop it off at yours some point during the week?
[09:12] <Riddell> seaLne: I'm in Germany next week
[09:12] <Riddell> although my flatmates will probably be in, but I can't guarantee when
[09:15] <seaLne> well the week after, save you coming through
[09:15] <Riddell> sure
[09:16] <seaLne> my parents never cease to amaze me with the interesting ways they manage to break kubuntu
[09:16] <nixternal> lol
[09:17] <seaLne> currently they can't mount/format floppies or print
[09:17] <Riddell> users do that
[09:17] <Riddell> floppies are known broken
[09:17] <seaLne> ah
[09:17] <Riddell> and printing is flakey too, dapper-updates may or may not fix it
[09:18] <seaLne> apparently print manager thing icon appears but you can't click on it and printing never come out
[09:19] <seaLne> any idea what the bugs are?
[09:52] <yuriy> _Sime: is it ok to supply a default wineconfigrc? what would be the proper way to include it?
[10:05] <Riddell> yuriy: why would you need to?  just set the defaults in the code
[10:06] <yuriy> Riddell: I want to have a couple default choices of color schemes
[10:07] <yuriy> Riddell: though i just wrote a thing to try to copy the current KDE colors, so i could forgo that, but i think it would be nice to have
[10:23] <_Sime> yuriy: Riddell is right. It is a better idea to just detect in code if the user has a wineconfigrc. If not, then use some defaults. That is how it is usually done.
[10:26] <yuriy> _Sime: ok so i should store the defaults right in wineconfig.py?  even if i make a couple different presets?
[10:26] <_Sime> yuriy: yeah. If there is no rc file, then you use your defaults.
[11:07] <Lure> allee: ping
[11:10] <allee> Lure: pong
[11:11] <Lure> allee: seen your comment on KubuntuLaptopButtons
[11:11] <Lure> allee: Ctrl-Alt-K does not break it here, but you are right that changing layout breaks it until next login
[11:12] <Lure> allee: what did you mean with "
[11:12] <Lure> #
[11:12] <Lure> One solution may be to use XDB options to include the 'laptop keys' settings.
[11:12] <Lure> #
[11:12] <allee> Lure: really I thought I've tested the c-a-k case.  Once more ...
[11:13] <Lure> allee: it works for my US/SI case...
[11:13] <allee> Lure: 'laptop' is not a good term. I test it with an external USB keyboard at a desktop and it works there too
[11:14] <Lure> allee: right, ubuntu laptop hotkey mapping just uses common keycodes also used by most multuimedia keyboards - I tested it on my Genius MM keyboard and now on laptop
[11:15] <allee> Lure: nope. I've enalbed US and DE layout.  Press 'e-mail' button -> good.  alt-ctrl-k to which to german, 'e-mail' again. Nothing happens :(
[11:15] <Lure> allee: interesting... US and SI switch does not break it... strange
[11:16] <Lure> it looks to me that it would be better if we just use HAL events instead... :-(
[11:17] <Lure> need to check with Riddell....
[11:17] <allee> Lure: oh 1st US, 2nd SI and c-a-k breaks after US -> SI switch
[11:18] <Lure> now I do not get it at all :-(
[11:18] <Lure> maybe this depends on Keyboard model selection which is probably re-applied on c-a-k
[11:19] <allee> you have a .xmodmaprc file or something like that in $HOME?
[11:19] <Lure> allee: no
[11:19] <Lure> I had Generic 105-key as model...
[11:20] <Lure> if I change the model, then mappings are lost
[11:22] <allee> I've Generic 104-key PC as model
[11:24] <allee> mhmm, laptop-button defs also clears for US->SI with generic 104 keys (intl) PC
[11:24] <Riddell> Lure: yes, using HAL events probably would be better for the keys they are available for
[11:24] <Riddell> but I don't know how easy HAL is to use with KDE 3
[11:25] <Lure> Riddell: or xevent loop and catching keycodes...
[11:25] <Lure> (like gnome-settings-daemon does)
[11:25] <allee> doesn't kmilo support keycodes?
[11:26] <allee> btw where does one configure kmilo?  didn't found it last night?
[11:26] <Lure> allee: no, only xkeysym and proprietary stuff
[11:26] <Lure> allee: no config...
[11:27] <LeeJunFan> Riddell: can you think of any reason upgrading dapper to 3.5.4 would cause problems with k3b? It seems since upgrading k3b is prematurely claiming mkisofs is done writing, and ejects the DVD before 100%. Although k3b wasn't in the 3.5.4 update.
[11:27] <allee> Lure: uh, and where does one set if 'proprietary stuff' is loaded or not??? Or is kmilo just behind assign shortcut in kmenu editor?
[11:28] <Riddell> allee: it doesn't have GUI configuration
[11:28] <Lure> allee: proprietary stuff is thinkpad, asus, sony (laptop models, typically reading nvram and similar)
[11:28] <Riddell> allee: /usr/share/apps/kmilo/ubuntu.xmodmap
[11:28] <allee> Riddell: I reload this file everytime ;)
[11:29] <Lure> allee: we just added xkeysym mapping with xmodmap + default actions to generic kmilo module (which already supported volume upd/down/mute xkeysyms)
[11:34] <Riddell> Lure: nope, kde update shouldn't have any effect on k3b
[11:34] <Lure> LeeJunFan: ^^^ ;-)
[11:35] <Riddell> yes, LeeJunFan
[11:42] <allee> Lure: So one would have to hack the generic module to teach it, e.g, that codeine when active like to get AudioNext/Prev keys events?
[11:43] <Lure> allee: in theory yes, but hard to doin practice - this is why alll hotkeys are proposed as global shortcuts
[11:46] <allee> Lure: does kmilo implement something like a 'fallback' definition, like if no app accepted the keycode, forward it to app xx?
[11:47] <Lure> allee: no, kmilo generic just sets global accelerators and cannot know who else got the key press
[11:47] <Lure> allee: code is really not much...
[11:48] <allee> k.  mhmm ...
[11:54] <omeow> Riddell, konversation's been updated quite a bit now. Did you see Sho's commit of doom? :)
[11:55] <omeow> http://www.eikehein.com/commitofdoom.txt
[11:57] <omeow> Eventhough I can't code, I helped out by reporting bugs and I even wrote a few patches. (Bugs listed there are reported by me. :))
[11:57] <omeow> The patches did some stuff with the DCC messages and DCC button labels.
[11:59] <allee> Lure: alternate shortcut setting of 'XF86Back,Forward' is from upstream or kubuntu-default-settings ?
[12:00] <Lure> allee: most are upstream, some were done by Tonio_ in k-d-s (tab navigation afair)
[12:01] <allee> Lure: ah, right. found the extra keys for konsole.  Nice [default]  in 'configure shortcut' dialog removes the setting from k-d-s :( :(
[12:02] <Lure> allee: yes, k-d-s is just a fallback if user does not set it, but all this flexibility can be confusing sometimes... ;-)
[12:04] <allee> Lure: :)
[12:05] <allee> Lure: You know if ubuntu has some infratructure to determine keyboard?  E.g. to redefine keycode to the standard one?
[12:06] <Lure> allee: yes, this is what hotkey-setup/kernel are supposed to do (+hal events)
[12:06] <Lure> allee: run lshal -m and press laptop keys - it will return nice text description of the key pressed


[04:04] <putz3000> I am looking to try a ubuntu laptop install and had a couple of questions.  1) any one know the success of 8.04 on Dell XPS M1530?
[04:05] <pwnguin> putz3000: have you checked the testing team wiki?
[04:06] <putz3000> not recently.  I looked at it right shortly before 8.04.  but at the time I dont recall seeing anything on my laptop
[04:06] <putz3000> I will go back and dig through there and see.  I also am thinking of doing a 64bit install but still want to run 32bit apps.  is installing the 32bit lib very complicated?  I am not too experianced with linux and have a love hate relationship todate..lol
[04:07] <pwnguin> have you already bought the laptop?
[04:09] <putz3000> yes.  I didnt buy it specificaly to run linux although I had the notion of attempting to dual boot.  I have ran a couple of distros on the laptop and as far as I know there was not major probs.  I think i only did the live 7.10 on the laptop though.
[04:09] <putz3000> I guess I was more curious about any known issues that might not have prevented install, but would have shown up during usage.
[04:12] <pwnguin> launchpad might be a better resource
[04:12] <pwnguin> as best I can tell, this team is about fixing laptops
[04:13] <pwnguin> (but i havent seen much of that going on in this channel specifically =( )
[04:13] <putz3000> ah.  guess that makes since after rereading the sentance on the ubuntu site - testing team.  lol.  sorry for the probs.  thanks for the tip though
[04:14] <pwnguin> well, dell technically pays for support
[04:15] <pwnguin> im not sure if your pick is on the list
[04:15] <putz3000> that is true as well..lol.  no worries, thanx
[04:16] <pwnguin> interesting
[04:16] <pwnguin> http://webapps.ubuntu.com/certification/list/?search=dell
[04:17] <pwnguin> the M1330 is certified
[04:18] <pwnguin> im guessing yours is the one with nvidia graphics
[12:08] <hector> Hi. I've installed a kubuntu 8.04 in my PB
[12:09] <hector> I've a question about the led of batterie. When my laptop finish charge the batterie, this led, doesn't turn green or other, just red all the time. Any idea ?


[00:34] <babbageclunk> externalreality: around for standup?
[00:53] <externalreality> babbageclunk, I sorry was in the kitchen and totally lost track.
[00:53] <babbageclunk> externalreality: no worries, it was pretty low key.
[00:54] <babbageclunk> externalreality: did you make progress on your action change?
[00:55] <externalreality> babbageclunk, I was making track but @thumper gave me an idea that I hadn't thought of which makes the code a lot simpler.
[00:55] <externalreality> Let the uniter grab the machine lock and then when it finds out that it doesn't need the lock, it simply releases it.
[00:55] <externalreality> wtf didn't I think of that
[00:57] <externalreality> I was attempting to restructure the code so that the uniter had knowledge of whether or not it needed the machine lock earlier
[00:57] <externalreality> the former suggestion is indeed much easier and works well
[01:09] <babbageclunk> externalreality: oh, nice
[02:10] <babbageclunk> menn0, thumper: could someone take a look at this? https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7590
[02:11] <babbageclunk> It's not the full fix for the sub-sub thing, but it fixes the part that I broke in the first change.
[02:11]  * babbageclunk goes for a run while it's nice and sunny.
[03:56] <menn0> babbageclunk: looking
[03:57] <babbageclunk> menn0: thanks!
[04:07] <blahdeblah> Quick Q: If I run "juju config myapp --file path/to/myconfig.yaml" and myconfig.yaml only contains values for 1 config option and myapp has 10, will it wipe out the other 9, or just ignore them and set the 1?
[04:07] <blahdeblah> The docs on this aren't clear
[04:11] <menn0> blahdeblah: it just updates the configuration mentioned in the yaml file
[04:11] <menn0> blahdeblah: the others are left alone
[04:11] <menn0> I just tried it to be sure
[04:11] <blahdeblah> sweet - thanks menn0
[04:27] <menn0> babbageclunk: done
[04:28] <babbageclunk> menn0: cheers
[05:14] <babbageclunk> menn0: damn, I meant to have a discussion about whether we should be squashing commits before merging at the sprint. Do you know whether there's a consensus there?
[05:35] <menn0> babbageclunk: I'm pretty sure there will be widespread disagreement
[05:35] <babbageclunk> :(
[05:39] <menn0> babbageclunk: FWIW, I prefer a small number of logic commits per PR (something like 1 to 5), where each has a proper commit message
[05:39] <menn0> logical
[05:39] <menn0> I tend to do some squashing and commit message rewording before proposing a PR
[05:40] <menn0> my pet hate is seeing stupid commit messages that just say "now works" or "addressed review comments". it really sucks when you run into them while trying to diagnose an issue.
[05:42] <babbageclunk> menn0: I tend not to do the squashing until after review - otherwise you sometimes get someone saying "actually, could you split that one change out into a separate PR" and find that you've already squashed it.
[07:41] <mup> Bug #1702236 opened: Juju 1.25.10 is running hooks prior to additional network interfaces being up <canonical-bootstack> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1702236>
[21:35] <babbageclunk> Morning everyone!
[22:05] <thumper> morning]
[23:49] <babbageclunk> menn0, thumper: I felt bad about skipping a flaky test so I fixed another one: https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/7596


[02:15] <xubuntu33w> I am having trouble installing Xubuntu 16.04 from a USB on my Dell Inspiron 1501. I first wiped the entire drive with DBAN. I than downloaded the Xubuntu 16.04 64-bit torrent from the Xubuntu.org website. Thereafter, IO used BitTorrent to create my torrent, which I than installed on my USB drive using RUFUS. For some reason the Dell does not want to boot from the USB. Gives me some errors re: APCI, etc. than screen essentially go
[02:24] <ball> xubuntu33w: Do you have access to another Linux PC?
[02:47] <xubuntu33w> I do not. Why do you ask?
[02:48] <ball> xubuntu33w: It might have been a cleaner way to prepare the USB flash drive
[02:48] <ball> I don't know what options Rufus provides.
[02:49] <ball> ...I'm guessing you want something equivalent to "dd", where it just dumps the image block-for-block onto the USB flash drive.
[02:52] <xubuntu33w> Not sure what I'm looking for:-). Somewhat of a newby. I had this old Dell around that was not running well and thought I would rehab it for my kids. Did some reading and came across Linux/Xubuntu, so here I am. I have never installed/used a Linux system previously.
[02:53] <xubuntu33w> I basically wanted to install Xubuntu onto the Dell, and thought the procedure I noted in my original post was the way to go, but am hitting a wall. I even tried a different USB stick, as I had read that some people have had success swapping one for another.
[02:56] <ball> Xubuntu is a great choice for young PC users in my experience.
[02:56] <ball> I've just put it on my daughter's PC again.
[02:58] <xubuntu33w> I know. That is what I have read. Which is why I am all the more frustrated:-).  Maybe Rufus is not the way to go . . . or maybe not BitTorrent?? If you are aware of another procedure/protocol for installing Xubuntu I am more than willing to try. ? Link
[03:00] <ball> It sounds as though you did this on Windows and I don't have any Windows PCs around to try things on.  Let me see whether I can get a checksum for the .iso image, at least.
[03:03] <xubuntu33w> Yes . . . I did this on a Windows 10 machine. Not sure what a '
[03:03] <xubuntu33w> "checksum" is . . .
[03:03] <ball> It's a way to tell whether a file reached you intact.
[03:04] <xubuntu33w> or how it would help me, that is
[03:04] <ball> The larger the file, the more chance there is for something to go wrong during the download (though if you used bittorrent, that may be less of an issue)
[03:04] <xubuntu33w> Oh . . . ok.
[03:05] <ball> ...but then you're on Windows and I have no idea what, if any, checksumming tools that ships with.
[03:06] <ball> When you launch Rufus, what does it ask you?
[03:06] <ball> Oh!  On the Dell, did you press F12 when you saw the Dell splash screen?
[03:11] <xubuntu33w> As you know . . . I wiped the hard drive completely clean with DBAN, soooo . . . When I power it on, I get some DOS text telling me "PXE-E61: Media test failure, check cable. PXE-MOF: Exiting Broadcom PXE Rom. Operating sytem not found." Than seems to get hung up a bit
[03:12] <ball> That's just the Dell trying to boot from the network.
[03:12] <ball> F12 should give you the option of a boot menu.
[03:15] <xubuntu33w> Yes it does. And when I choose USB drive, it looks like it is about to do something (little image of a USB stick and man at the bottom) but than displays some DOS text re: ACPI parse method error . . . or something like that - before screen transitions to black with vertical multicolor lines
[03:29]  * ball nods
[03:30] <ball> You may need to change an option in the CMOS setup program but without that in front of me, it's not easy to guess where you'd have to look
[03:31] <ball> What processor's in the laptop?
[03:35] <xubuntu33w> AMD Turion 64 x2. This link seems to describe my problem exactly: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2283568. Only problem is I do not understand how to implement to proposed solution.
[03:39] <ball> If Xubuntu has an "alternate" (non-graphical installation) image, you could try that.
[03:39] <ball> ...otherwise there seem to be incantations you can type at boot: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1743535
[03:40] <ball> Have you considered a newer version?
[03:42] <Unit193> Xubuntu no longer carries the alt ISOs, best bet for that route is mini.
[03:44] <xubuntu33w> What do you mean a newer version? A newer version of Xubuntu? And what is 'mini'?
[03:46] <ball> Thanks Unit193
[03:52] <xubuntu33w> Unforunately have to go. Thank you for your help, ball.
[03:55] <ball> xubuntu33w: You're welcome.  Check back here because you're bound to find someone who has more answers.
[04:01] <Unit193> xubuntu33w: Ah sorry, that's the minimal installation disk, it downloads everything off the net during install rather than unsquashing a squashfs (compressed filesystem)
[17:07] <sm0rux> Hi! After upgrading to LibreOffice <IP_ADDRESS> the LibreOffice Start Center disappeared. Using Xubuntu 16.04. Any solution to get it back?
[17:43] <sovtware> tu można po polsku ? :)
[19:13] <brian_wilson> is there anybody that can give me a little hand?
[19:28] <knome> brian_wilson, try asking the real question and find out?
[19:29] <brian_wilson> that could work, let's see:
[19:29] <brian_wilson> since I've installed xubuntu, I have noticed strange transparent borders on a couple of windows (not all of them), and it's really bugging me, I wish I could understand why it is happening, and maybe fix it... can I send a print that I've posted on imgur here?
[19:30] <knome> absolutely
[19:30] <brian_wilson> https://imgur.com/a/yo384
[19:30] <brian_wilson> the calculator is one of the few that has this problem
[19:30] <knome> which gtk theme are you using?
[19:30] <brian_wilson> this is numix
[19:30] <brian_wilson> nono
[19:30] <brian_wilson> sorry
[19:30] <brian_wilson> just a sec
[19:31] <brian_wilson> Adwaita
[19:31] <knome> and your xubuntu version is what?
[19:32] <brian_wilson> just realized it disappears if I change it to Raleigh
[19:32] <brian_wilson> 17.10
[19:32] <brian_wilson> no, I'm sorry, it doesn't actually
[19:32] <brian_wilson> it just gets really small
[19:32] <knome> i'm pretty sure this happens with gtk3 apps
[19:32] <brian_wilson> I see
[19:33] <knome> do you have something in ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css?
[19:33] <brian_wilson> nothing
[19:34] <brian_wilson> I mean, there isn't a gtk.css file
[19:35] <knome> i'm pretty sure this is essentially the same issue as https://github.com/numixproject/numix-gtk-theme/issues/206 (link has ideas for fixes)
[19:35] <knome> though it's *really* weird that it happens with adwaita since it's the default gtk3 theme
[19:36] <knome> do you have some PPAs or have you done any modifications to your system that might be related in any way to this appearance issue?
[19:36] <brian_wilson> no, I really haven't, I installed the system it's been a month or so
[19:37] <brian_wilson> perhaps the file I need to change is the one in /usr/share/themes/Adwaita/gtk-3.0/?
[19:37] <knome> no
[19:37] <knome> the one i referred to is a user-specific override file
[19:37] <knome> the one you are mentioning is the one provided by the theme
[19:38] <knome> in case there is ever an update for the theme, then you would lose your changes
[19:39] <knome> besides, doing the change in ~ is better when you want to try if any of the proposed workarounds even work :)
[19:40] <brian_wilson> alright, makes sense ahahahah
[19:44] <brian_wilson> ok, the change didn't immediately fix it, I'm gonna try rebooting
[19:48] <brian_wilson> knome, just to let you know, after rebooting, the problem persists
[19:48] <brian_wilson> it just changed the window borders a bit
[19:49] <brian_wilson> but that transparent border's still there
[19:49] <brian_wilson> but I won't bother about that anymore hahah
[19:53] <knome> brian_wilson, you could also see if it happens with greybird, the default theme
[19:55] <brian_wilson> same thing
[19:55] <brian_wilson> sorry, I always forget to answer mentioning your username, knome
[19:56] <knome> no problem
[19:56] <knome> brian_wilson, what is your window manager theme?
[19:57] <brian_wilson> greybird
[19:57] <knome> ochosi, ping
[19:58] <brian_wilson> knome, I tried changing it to whatever other theme I had and made no difference
[19:58] <brian_wilson> as well
[19:59] <brian_wilson> I thought this could be something really simple, but I think I'm ready now to live with it, it's not that much of a deal
[20:00] <knome> it'd be nice to know what is causing that so we do not have it appear again
[20:00] <knome> maybe if i was able to summon ochosi it could be a quick fix..
[20:03] <brian_wilson> I'll show up some other time to talk to him, then. I'll have to leave now, gotta go to college
[20:03] <brian_wilson> thanks for the help
[20:04] <brian_wilson> and the attention
[20:04] <knome> no problem and have a nice day
[20:04] <brian_wilson> thanks, you too
[20:24] <ochosi> knome: pong
[20:26] <ochosi> ah right, the screenshot
[20:26] <ochosi> not a theming issue for sure
[20:27] <ochosi> i dunno what version of xubuntu that should have been, but it looks like xfwm4 before it got support for client side decorations
[20:38] <albinard> dipping in a toe for the first time
[23:26] <noob> I have a question iso is the same as iso archive correct ?
[23:27] <Kumool> what's an iso archive?
[23:28] <Kumool> noob, you can open it as an archive yes
[23:28] <noob> it is empty lookin into it after extracting it
[23:29] <Kumool> noob, are you in ubuntu?
[23:29] <Kumool> noob, you can mount it
[23:29] <Kumool> in thunar
[23:29] <Kumool> right click and select mount
[23:29] <noob> no windows try to set it up on a pendrive using rufus
[23:29] <Kumool> oh dear
[23:30] <Kumool> i just did that in xubuntu, it was a PITA
[23:31] <Kumool> 7-zip will let you see it inside, mounting it in windows i think you need daemontools
[23:31] <noob> so if create a bootable drive using rufus that will work ?
[23:32] <noob> The iso archive
[23:33] <Kumool> if you opened it using 7-zip and it was empty, then the file is probably empty
[23:34] <noob> looked insideht boot file there is "efi.img"
[23:34] <Kumool> try a hash check first
[23:37] <noob> i downloaded it from a mirror
[23:39] <Kumool> its bootable
[23:40] <Kumool> https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows#0
[23:42] <noob> ahhh looked it up archive is the same a iso image
[23:43] <noob> thank you for the link
[23:43] <Kumool> you're welcome, i had to since i cant help
[23:43] <noob> yeah I am learning too
[23:44] <Kumool> i'm learning from another way XD
[23:44] <noob> I am trying to install linux on a labtop i5 i think 3000 somthing I forgot the specs
[23:44] <Kumool> as in, trying to install windows from ubuntu using a pendrive
[23:45] <noob> how are you doing it going to the windows creation tool ?
[23:45] <Kumool> the specs are the most important part noob
[23:46] <noob> it has 4 gbs of ram so I was looking it up amd64 iso was the recommanded one
[23:46] <noob> it is taking so long to make teh pen drive
[23:46] <noob> i decied to let it check for bac sectors
[23:47] <Kumool> i had to install ms-sys, format it as ntfs, set it as bootable, use ms-sys to create the boot manager or... w\e its called and select the correct OS, then i had to install VMBOX because i got tired of rebooting the device to see if it worked, which was another headache its hard for vmbox to mount a physical pendrive on a virtual machine
[23:48] <Kumool> well, it could have 4gb of ram installed, the question is if it runs with em
[23:48] <noob> vm wouldnt that use quite a bit of resource ?
[23:48] <noob> how will I know if it does is their a terminal command or will it tell me once it starts up from the pen drive ?
[23:49] <Kumool> it does, but if you want to see if the pendrive actually worked (quickly), you gotta use it
[23:49] <Kumool> but that's if rufus doesnt work, which i doubt will fail
[23:50] <noob> xubuntu has less bloatware on it compared to ubuntu right ?
[23:50] <Kumool> are you wiping the PC you're using now?
[23:50] <Kumool> it is leaner yes
[23:51] <noob> nope trying a labtop
[23:51] <noob> I saved the windows key jsut in case
[23:51] <Kumool> mm
[23:51] <Kumool> if the key is the preinstalled one, its not going to work
[23:51] <noob> my old techy friend ripped me off with labtop but it is good to learn with
[23:52] <noob> what do you mean ?
[23:52] <Kumool> i do hope someone corrects me on this, but preinstalled windows keys only work on that preinstalled windows
[23:52] <noob> i used a program called keyfinder
[23:53] <noob> it is different from the actualy one on the labtop which is weird
[23:53] <Kumool> well, hopefully it works
[23:54] <noob> now got ot figure out how to launch from usb haha
[23:54] <Kumool> just put it on, reboot, press f12 and select boot from usb
[23:55] <Kumool> if it boots you're good if not then something got messed up
[23:56] <noob> it worked but an error showed up first
[23:56] <Kumool> what was it?
[23:57] <noob> disappeared
[23:57] <Kumool> oh well, unimportant then
[23:58] <noob> 3would you recommand lvm for install ?
[23:59] <Kumool> mm
[23:59] <Kumool> dont know what that is
[23:59] <Kumool> ask in #ubuntu
[23:59] <noob> it is all good I do not need anything from the labtop anyways


[02:49] <mup> PR snapd#11493 opened: tests: updating the test-snapd-cups-control-consumer snap to core20 based <Simple 😃> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11493>
[22:30] <mup> PR snapcraft#3661 opened: feat: add support for JDK 17 in the Gradle plugin <Created by lupino3> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3661>


[00:08] <ScislaC> Is Rhythmbox not playing anything for anyone else in Natty? (been like this a couple weeks here)
[00:09] <penguin42> ScislaC: To be honest I don't use Rhythmbox so I wouldn't know
[01:03] <alex_mayorga> ScislaC: bug # 688732 maybe?
[01:07] <alex_mayorga> what else can I provide to help end my kernel woes at bug#693828
[01:07] <alex_mayorga> is the bug bot on holiday?
[01:10] <penguin42> hmm
[01:14] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: There's a vbox oops in those logs, doubt it's the underlying cause but it might be worth forcibly removing any virtual box stuff
[01:14] <alex_mayorga> penguin42: uninstall vboxose?
[01:15] <penguin42> yeh
[01:16] <alex_mayorga> penguin42: removing...
[01:24] <alex_mayorga> penguin42: now they're gone
[01:24] <penguin42> good luck!
[01:39] <dooglus_> where can I find the dialog that allows me to set the amount of 'desktop effects' I want?  I thought it was in prefs>appearance but I don't see it there now
[01:39] <dooglus_> I mean the thing that lets me turn compiz off and on I guess?
[07:20] <cpatrick2008> i was wondering when the kpackagekit bug is going to be fixed i saw that kde fixed the problem in version 0.6.3,2
[09:06] <speedvin> Hello
[11:06] <speedvin> Hello!
[11:06] <speedvin> Does someone know when firefox package will be updated in natty?
[11:50] <nperry> Let me build some gingerbread
[12:33] <nperry> Hmmm
[12:33] <nperry> I've got an ugly nautilus
[12:36] <penguin42> ugly?
[12:37] <nperry> Asec
[12:37]  * penguin42 seems to have a different problem; most of the stuff on Places doesn't work
[12:38] <nperry> Has tried unity in a while
[12:38] <nperry> *Haven't
[12:38] <penguin42> yeh I've not tried it in a couple of weeks
[12:39] <nperry> http://img689.imageshack.us/i/screenshotmu.png/
[12:41] <penguin42> nperry: Hmm, I've noticed privileged stuff is running with a very plain theme
[12:42] <nperry> Thats my defination of ugly :P
[12:45] <popey> moo
[13:31] <patdk-wk> nperry, that has to be very annoying, I dunno what I would do with unity on my 4 screen desktop
[13:37] <nperry> ?
[13:41] <patdk-wk> the screenshot
[13:41] <patdk-wk> having to move the mouse between screens to access the menubar
[13:42] <patdk-wk> or in my case, move it through 4 screens to get to it
[13:43]  * penguin42 tries to remember - how did MacOS solve that?
[13:44] <patdk-wk> dunno, never touch a mac here
[13:50] <penguin42> I just ask since Macs have a similar paradigm and have had multihead for literally decades
[13:51] <patdk-wk> I actually have macos in a vm, I should attempt to run it again, and try a dualscreen in it
[13:51] <patdk-wk> dunno if it would work though
[13:52] <patdk-wk> running macos in a vm isn't the easiest of things
[13:55] <penguin42> patdk-wk: Getting dual head in a VM isn't easy either!
[14:03] <patdk-wk> penguin42, I have no issues doing dual head with my windows vm's :) I haven't tried ubuntu dual head vm's yet, but ya, I normally don't use them that way
[14:03] <penguin42> patdk-wk: Which VM system do you use that is easy to do dual head on?
[14:03] <patdk-wk> vmware workstation
[14:07] <penguin42> ok
[16:03] <h4f> hey people. how do I convert on the fly to 64 bit with no reinstall from cd ?
[16:03] <Volkodav> I don't think it is possible
[16:03] <Jeruvy> h4f: you don't, you will need to reinstall
[16:04] <h4f> Jeruvy:  there is no other ways ?
[16:04] <penguin42> h4f: There is no sane way to do it
[16:04] <h4f> penguin42:  are there insane ways to do  it ?
[16:05] <Volkodav> I know some gentoo users did that
[16:06] <penguin42> h4f: You can create a 64bit chroot with debootstrap, it won't work until you boot a 64bit kernel though, and then you can swap the two sets around - very very messy and loads of things will need manually straightening out
[16:28] <kuvu> h4f: you can set up vbox disks - windoze, 64-bit linux, etc
[16:29] <h4f>  kuvu: and what to do with them ?
[16:30] <kuvu> h4f: whatever you want to do on the fly?
[16:30] <h4f> kuvu: I just wonted to swithc my system from 32 bit install to 64 bit
[16:30] <h4f>  kuvu: and realized that there are no easy ways to do it :D
[16:31] <h4f> besides total reinstall
[16:31] <kuvu> h4f: in that case re-install is the best
[16:32] <kuvu> h4f: much easier on the long run
[16:33] <Yorvyk> h4f, create a small partition and install 64 bit os then mount the old partition as /home
[16:34] <h4f> Yorvyk:  yes that might work it is the similar to reinstalling
[16:36] <Yorvyk> h4f, It was quicker than restoring all the data when a friend did it.
[16:44] <alex_mayorga> how can I check the validity of all packages on a system?
[16:45] <alex_mayorga> something like checksuming them against the repository or similar
[16:49] <patdk-wk> heh, I need to upgrade mine from 32 to 64bit, but remounting /home isn't good enough :(
[16:49] <patdk-wk> I have lots and lots of edits in /etc, /usr/share, /var, ...
[16:50] <coz_> alex_mayorga,   look here    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomatedTesting
[16:50] <patdk-wk> just going install 64bit to a new drive, and spend time re-editing everything
[16:55] <bjsnider> patdk-wk, it might work if you reinstall without reformatting/repartitioning
[16:56] <patdk-wk> I think that would just cause package madness :)
[16:56] <bjsnider> another way is you could copy the /etc directory and whatever else is edited and past them into the new install to replace what's there
[16:56] <patdk-wk> ya, that is basically what I'm going do
[16:57] <patdk-wk> it just takes time :(
[16:57] <patdk-wk> everything is running fine on it now, just 64bit vm's are slow
[16:57] <patdk-wk> cause of the 32bit host os
[16:57] <patdk-wk> and well, programs are limited to like 3gigs of ram
[16:58] <kuvu> 64-bit host and then 32-bit guest is better imo
[16:58] <patdk-wk> is kcrypt still limited to single cpu?
[16:58] <patdk-wk> kuvu, yep, but have to upgrade the host first :)
[16:59] <kuvu> reinstall is best
[16:59] <patdk-wk> I think the cpu I had a few years ago didn't support 64bit
[16:59] <patdk-wk> then it didn't matter, cause the motherboard only supported 3gigs ram
[16:59] <patdk-wk> now on a new system and stuck on 32bit :)
[17:00] <kuvu> reinstall shouldn't take that long
[17:00] <patdk-wk> it doesn't
[17:00] <patdk-wk> just resetting up everything after it's installed, does
[17:02] <patdk-wk> apache, mythtv, openvpn, nfs, samba, squid, firewall, mysql, WDE, dhcp3, radvd, dns, munin, ...
[17:02] <patdk-wk> nothing in it self is hard, just 5min here, 5min there, ..., adds up to a while
[17:02] <coz_> hey guys...noticing  almost  "0"  set for password timeout
[17:22] <penguin42> alex_mayorga: debsums
[17:43] <Quintasan> Can someone take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/694825 ? It's driving me mad, my installation crashes almost right after booting. Can anyone reproduce this or it's something faulty with my installation?
[17:44]  * penguin42 looks
[18:19] <bittin><EMAIL_ADDRESS>i need more geeks to chat with :)
[18:22] <alex_mayorga> coz_: not quite I believe
[18:22] <alex_mayorga> penguin42: debsums looks more like it
[18:23] <coz_> alex_mayorga,  but a noticeable decrese in time out ...yes?
[19:04] <billybigrigger> anyone here running vbox 4 in natty?
[19:14] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:21] <billybigrigger> charlie-tca, did you just replace natty with maverick using the vbox repo?
[19:22] <charlie-tca> no, I downloaded 4, removed 3.2, and then installed 4
[19:22] <charlie-tca> As far as I know, you can not upgrade to 4
[19:32] <billybigrigger> this is a fresh natty install so no upgrading here
[19:33] <billybigrigger> so you downloaded the maverick .deb then?
[19:33] <billybigrigger> http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.0.0/virtualbox-4.0_4.0.0-69151~Ubuntu~maverick_i386.deb
[19:33] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:33] <billybigrigger> ahhh
[19:33] <charlie-tca> But that is how I have installed every version, too
[19:33] <charlie-tca> You also have to download the extension file for usb to work
[19:41] <billybigrigger> link?
[19:42] <billybigrigger> nvm ill google
[19:42] <billybigrigger> :P
[19:48] <charlie-tca> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
[19:48] <charlie-tca> need the extension pack, just double-click to install
[20:46] <matrixa1> any way to get ff3.6 from the repo's without having becoming a transitional package to ff4.0? Need some older plugins, just want to know if i can do this in a nice way
[22:29] <BUGabundo> evening mum and ded!
[22:30] <Spirits-Sight> how can I use this deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/habnabit/hab-ppa/ubuntu YOUR_UBUNTU_VERSION_HERE main  deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/habnabit/hab-ppa/ubuntu YOUR_UBUNTU_VERSION_HERE main with the prerelease?
[22:33] <charlie-tca> doesn't look available for maverick or natty
[23:39] <magn3ts> Ubuntu shutdown time is sorta atrocious in last couple releases including natty so far
[23:40] <BUGabundo> yep
[23:40] <BUGabundo> even on SSD
[23:53] <bjsnider> shuts down quickly here
[23:53] <bjsnider> and starts up quick too
[23:53] <Daekdroom> It looks alright in here.
[23:53] <magn3ts> startup time is fantastic. though unity just broke with the latest updates again :(
[23:53] <penguin42> shutdown is being OK for me, the boot up however on one machine is a different matter
[23:54] <BUGabundo> boot is fine
[23:54] <BUGabundo> shutdown takes almost the same amount as boot
[23:54] <BUGabundo> lol
[23:54] <Daekdroom> Both are fast in here, and it's a 4 year old PC
[23:55] <Daekdroom> Well.. I think it is 4 years old.
[23:59] <BUGabundo> 3 yo laptop, with ssd


[12:36] <thewama> do we have a flight 4 date?
[12:37] <ogra> nope ... but likely next week some time ...
[12:37] <thewama> yeah I figured
[12:38] <thewama> any suggestions on how I can pitch in?
[12:39] <thewama> I know my code but need some direction
[12:39] <ogra> try #ubuntu-motu :)
[12:41] <thewama> alrighty thanks!
[12:41] <ogra> :)
[12:42] <thewama> what about getting into gnome or xorg devel?
[12:42] <thewama> package-work sounds like a good place to start, but how would I get into the core stuff?
[12:43] <HiddenWolf> thewama: for ubuntu the starting point is motu. there is a gnome-hackers on gimpnet. xorg I don't know.
[12:43] <ogra> thats rather something you should ask upstream (gnome.org or x.org) we mostly do packaging
[12:43] <thewama> makes sense, I'll look into MOTU for now
[01:24] <MisterN> n8
[02:04] <hunger> What's up with launchpad?
[02:05] <HiddenWolf> hunger: hardware migration, all ubuntu sites are down
[02:39] <dabaR> Does anyone know how to program a valid http cookie?
[03:11] <jdong> Firefox had another speed regression...
[03:12] <jdong> from 1.5.dfsg-4ubuntu6 ->  1.5.dfsg+<IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu3, the rendering speed was cut in half
[03:50] <Chipzz> jdong: rtf changelog :)
[03:51] <Chipzz> pango is enabled by default since 1.5.dfsg+<IP_ADDRESS>-1
[03:51] <Chipzz> zless /usr/share/doc/firefox/changelog.Debian.gz
[04:52] <jdong> so pango slows down Firefox? is that something that's going to be resolved before Dapper's release?
[05:21] <Amaranth> jdong: it's something that will be solved Q2 2007
[05:21] <Amaranth> jdong: when gecko 1.9 + firefox 3.0 is out
[06:07] <crimsun> elmo: please sync easychem and plotdrop from Sid, overriding Ubuntu changes, thanks
[07:17] <cfk> file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html  says "or chat with the community on Freenode IRC Channel: #ubuntu" - i think that should be a link that fires up the default chat cilent - where do I post sugestions like this?
[07:21] <crimsun> cfk: for that issue, #ubuntu-doc
[07:21] <LaserJock> cfk: I think the doc team
[07:21] <LaserJock> crimsun: darn it, you beat me too it ;-)
[07:22] <cfk> okee dokee - thanks
[09:06] <sivang> morning all
[09:06] <nictuku> hi
[09:08] <crimsun> elmo: also, please sync advi and autoclass from Sid, thanks.
[09:46] <Coyctecm> morning
[10:47] <hunger>
[10:51] <drfalkor> anyone knows about a mirror I can upload my gimp-2.3.7 .deb file ?
[11:10] <mdke> anyone else seeing bad signatures on breezy-security?
[11:10] <mdke> W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:10] <mdke> i see it on both my breezy systems
[11:15] <jsgotangco> yep
[11:15] <jsgotangco> confirmed
[11:15] <jsgotangco> i thought they were moving to a new datacenter
[11:16] <mdke> yes, maybe that was the cause
[11:16] <jsgotangco> planet used to 404 a few hours ago
[12:49] <mdke> mpt, any movement on AboutUbuntu? will it be ready for dapper you think?
[12:55] <sivang> mdke: it probably would, it's a very simple application that I think all the pieces are already there.
[12:55] <sivang> mdke: (I set with mpt and saw this POC app on his lappie at UBZ)
[12:56] <mdke> sivang, i'm not sure any progress has been made since UBZ though, I hope so
[12:56] <mdke> damn, i don't get mounted volumes on my desktop with dapper anymore. is that a conscious decision? it means that I can't unmount anything anymore
[01:36] <jdong> mdke: you can still use the Computer browser
[01:40] <\sh> elmo / Znarl: any ETA for accessing u.u.c again?
[01:41] <Lathiat> the email said iirc?
[01:41] <\sh> Lathiat: saturday 22 UTC + 6h == overdue :)
[01:42] <Lathiat> heh
[01:42] <Lathiat> right
[01:46] <ogra> i guess its only a DNS delay, noit all nameservers have catched up the change yet
[01:58] <mdke> jdong, oh thanks
[01:59] <mdke> jdong, its still not discoverable enough tho
[02:00] <mdke> :)
[02:14] <MisterN> hi
[02:53] <zakame> hello devs :)
[02:56] <Coyctecm> anyone have pci-e radeon x600 ?
[02:57] <Coyctecm> how much you get fps with  glxgears ?
[02:57] <Mithrandir> Coyctecm: glxgears is not a benchmark.
[02:58] <Coyctecm> no not, but just thinking I only get ~1400
[02:58] <Mithrandir> it's not a benchmark, the number is meaningless
[02:58] <Coyctecm> with nvidia 6600gt agp I get about 3500
[02:58] <Mithrandir> you can check whether you have accellerated 3d by looking at the output of glxinfo
[02:59] <Coyctecm> yes, not that
[02:59] <Coyctecm> doom 3 runs fine with 1280x1024 :)
[02:59] <Mithrandir> or test something which tests your 3d performance, like doom
[03:07] <mdke> jdub, whiprush, the tabs on the fridge are appearing at the bottom of the window, rather than on the top bar. can you ping me when it's fixed, I wanna take a screenshot of the fridge for the flash intro
[03:11] <zakame> is there any work done for NetworkAuthentication?  I notice it is approved, but deferred for Dapper :/
[03:13] <carl> dapper installer partitioner - tryed to span 2 drives with one LV volume - I had problems getting it setup, and watever I did setup isn't booting - "couldn't find all volumes"
[03:13] <carl> I'll do the install again, wondering how I can document what the resulting partition config looks like
[03:24] <carl> once I am done wiht that step, is there a deb-conf like file that has my partitioning choices?
[03:25] <mdke> jdub, whiprush, interestingly, the tabs work in dapper epiphany, but not dapper firefox *shrugs*
[03:25] <Kinnison> mako: ping?
[03:27] <carl> duh - should I even be able to setup / on a LV?
[03:42] <MisterN> cu
[03:46] <mdke> ugh, something is spamming -devel mailing list
[03:50] <xhaker> it's getting tagged atleast
[04:28] <sistpoty> elmo: please sync gnustep-make (1.11.2-2) from unstable, no ubuntu specific version present.
[05:03] <mantas_> doko, are you online ?
[05:23] <ogra> hrm ... upload.ubuntu.com still refuses connections
[05:24] <pietrus> hi, is it ok to ask that a package be synched from debian if it is not in ubuntu yet?
[05:29] <sistpoty> pietrus: until FeatureFreeze it is ok.. what package are you talking about?
[05:29] <pietrus> tomcat5
[05:30] <sistpoty> pietrus: tomcat5 is in universe
[05:31] <pietrus> sorry
[05:31] <pietrus> i was using packages.ubuntu.com and it defaults to breezy
[05:34] <raphink> pietrus: if you're on breezy, you have to know that breezy is frozen
[05:35] <ogra> elmo, Znarl, thanks (to whoever switched ftp back on)
[05:36] <sistpoty> thanks from me as well ;)
[05:41] <xhaker> hehe.. ogra is fast..ubuntu-meta there already
[05:42] <ogra> i produced my 3rd coaster iso due to the inputattach shuffling already :( ... this upload should finally solve it
[05:43] <mako> Kinnison: hey there
[06:06] <MisterN> re
[06:27] <carl> dapper setup, another attempt at LV, install lilo step fail.  what files can I post that will document what happened?
[06:34] <HiddenWolf> why does lvm use lilo at all?
[06:34] <HiddenWolf> I've been using grub and lvm since warty
[06:34] <CarlFK> good q
[06:34] <CarlFK> can / be on a LV?
[06:34] <ogra> sure
[06:34] <HiddenWolf> since breezy afaik
[06:38] <CarlFK> this is the first time playing with it - the plan was /boot on sda1, swap on sda2,  / on  sda3 and sdb1 using  LV - after fighting with the partitioner and a few reboots, I finally got it to install, but then it wouldn't boot.  so tried the install again, now it won't even install
[06:39] <HiddenWolf> I have /dev/sda1 /boot - /dev/mapper / root /swap /home
[06:39] <ogra> ogra@aleph:~$ mount|grep ^\/
[06:39] <ogra> /dev/mapper/vg0-lvol0 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[06:39] <ogra> /dev/sda1 on /boot type ext3 (rw)
[06:39] <ogra> /dev/mapper/vg1-lvol1 on /var type ext3 (rw)
[06:39] <ogra> works wondeful ...
[06:40] <HiddenWolf> ogra: is suspend/hibernate supposed to work on a desktop system with swap on lvm?
[06:40] <ogra> (using grub btw)
[06:40] <ogra> HiddenWolf, good question ... never tried
[06:40] <HiddenWolf> since that's the default setup nowadays
[06:40] <CarlFK> HiddenWolf: I'll let you know if I could get it to boot ;)
[06:41] <ogra> HiddenWolf, suspend shouldnt be any issue ...
[06:41] <ogra> since thats to ram anyway
[06:41] <ogra> i didnt try hibernate with lvm ...
[06:41] <HiddenWolf> hm, I can't get either to work for me.
[06:42] <ogra> i doubt thats a lvm issue for suspend
[06:42] <HiddenWolf> the nvidia driver might be it.
[06:43] <ogra> oh, indeed
[06:43] <ogra> nvidia is known to break suspend/hibernate
[06:43] <HiddenWolf> anything else?
[06:43] <ogra> its pretty sure the nvidia driver ...
[06:43] <ogra> try switching to nv ...
[06:44] <HiddenWolf> Hm. I will in a bit. Watching extreme home makeover now
[06:49] <CarlFK> what will it take to get scp available in the installer?
[06:51] <HiddenWolf> Carlk, you should ask kamion
[06:54] <CarlFK> I think he's sleeping ;)
[06:56] <ogra> CarlFK, its early sunday afternoon ... i rather guess he's in weekend mode :)
[06:56] <CarlFK> oh yeah... weekend..
[06:57] <sivang> ogra: aleph in in hebrew, you know ? :)
[06:57] <ogra> sivang, yup
[06:57] <sivang> ogra: so where did you coin its name from? :)
[06:57] <ogra> its also a wonderful short story by jorge luis borges
[06:58] <sivang> ogra: it is? then I gotta read it sometime soon :)
[06:58] <ogra> yup :)
[06:58] <sivang> ogra: what is it about?
[06:58] <ogra> the aleph is a point in space that unites all times and spaces in a single point in this story ...
[06:59] <sivang> I was also surprised George Kantor used the tem "aleph ephes" to describe the first order of infinity magnitue :-)
[06:59] <ogra> i found that matches a central server of my former comapny quite well ... this machine exists since 8 years ...
[06:59] <sivang> ogra: ah, figures -
[07:00] <ogra> and was the center of my world for years
[07:01] <MisterN> sivang: Georg Cantor is the way wikipedia spells it
[07:01] <sivang> MisterN: then they are proibably wrong :)
[07:01] <sivang> sorry,
[07:01] <sivang> then /me/ is probably wrong
[07:01] <sivang> ogra: ah, that figures. Aleph is a symbol for beginningness, for genesis, for a common point
[07:02] <MisterN> sivang: i bothered to search because in my memory this was a german not english / french mathematician ;)
[07:02] <ogra> yup
[07:02] <sivang> MisterN: According to my former math professor, he was hungerian , which is proibably more close to germen then english spelling
[07:03] <MisterN> sivang: well he was born in st. petersburg so your professor's not entirely wrong and the description "deutscher Mathematiker" is not entirely correct :)
[07:04] <sivang> MisterN: is this the st. petersburg that's currentyl in russia? or are there two of them?
[07:04] <MisterN> sivang: probably in russia.
[07:05] <tseng> Hungarian
[07:05] <sivang> tseng: ?
[07:06] <MisterN> tseng: ?
[07:06] <tseng>  he was hungerian ,
[07:06] <tseng>           which is proibably more close to germen then english spelling
[07:06] <MisterN> well in words hungarian is different from anything
[07:07] <sivang> tseng: ah, thanks :) but weirdly, I am searching google, and there there are a couple of stories that explain he had been living in germeny and was born in russia, any useful pointer to contradict that?
[07:08] <tseng> sivang: Hungary is right next to germany and they share the language
[07:08] <tseng> germany isnt that old as an official nation
[07:10] <MisterN> tseng: WHAT?
[07:10] <MisterN> hungary does NOT share the language
[07:11] <ogra> hungary and austria were one nation once ... but they dont share a language
[07:11] <tseng> MisterN: mmm but austria does?
[07:11] <tseng> right
[07:11] <tseng> they split in 1919
[07:12] <MisterN> germany and france once were a nation. but that's LONG ago
[07:12] <tseng> after this guy was already dead
[07:12] <ogra> MisterN, the K&K dynasty isnt *that* long ago
[07:12] <MisterN> ogra: reread my sentence
[07:12] <MisterN> charlemagne is long ago
[07:13] <ogra> yup
[07:13] <MisterN> or rather: karl der groe *heh*
[07:13] <ogra> heh
[07:13] <tseng> i dont think that was unicode
[07:13] <ogra> & might be ...
[07:14] <ogra>  surely are
[07:14] <tseng> mm ogra's are
[07:14] <MisterN> http://smartin.bol.ucla.edu/caledonia/images/map-europe.gif <- old card
[07:15] <MisterN> mine are unicde:
[07:15] <sivang> ogra: hungerian and germen I thikn have some stuff common, but are mostly different lanugages, right?
[07:16] <ogra> i think hungarian is nearer to polish, russian or other eastern languages
[07:17] <ogra> but the north of hungary might well speak an austrian slang ...
[07:18] <sivang> ah
[07:18] <MisterN> hungarian isn't even an indoeuropean language
[07:18] <MisterN> and it seems it's not like russian but like finnish
[07:19] <ogra> oh, i'd have thought its slavian based
[07:19] <sivang> MisterN: the weirdest thing for me in hungerian, is that some of the words sound close to arabic / turkish prnounciation
[07:19] <sivang> MisterN: (that's what I could spot out when people are talking it)
[07:19] <sivang> other then that, I don't understand anything although I've heared it a lot as a child :)
[07:20] <MisterN> sivang: how comes?
[07:21] <sivang> MisterN: my late grandmother used to speak hungerian.
[07:26] <sivang> ogra: do you know your way around threads in python using thread.start_new_thread and locks ?
[07:26] <ogra> nope
[07:27] <ogra> i never did thread programming in python
[07:27] <sivang> ah okay. I have strage prerformance penalty compared to regular non threaded code that does the same on the threaded version, was hoping for an expert advice :)
[07:28] <ogra> sorry, no threading expert :)
[07:28] <sivang> ogra: okay, I need mvo to come online and talk to him probably
[07:31] <CarlFK> sivang: not that I know squat about anything, but a friend has been looking at the Twisted framework, which sounds like it does threading - maybe?
[07:31] <sivang> CarlFK: I'd have to first look at it to know, but I thought it had something to do with web applications no?
[07:32] <CarlFK> apparently you don't understand the depth of my "don't know squat" ;)
[07:33] <CarlFK> it came up when someone else was looking to "communicate with other processes via TCP/IP" and Twisted came up
[07:34] <khermans> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/31242
[07:34] <Ubugtu> malone bug 31242 in Ubuntu "network-admin "double-configure" problem when choosing a preset location and then hitting OK" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[07:35] <khermans> why can't i properly choose a package name in bugzilla?  malone has bugs?
[07:35] <khermans> since i could not, i only filed in the general "UBUNTU" package bug
[07:47] <CarlFK> where did /var/log/debian-installer/ go?
[07:53] <CarlFK> how can I dump the VT1 screen to a file?
[07:54] <CarlFK> from the setup's VT2
[08:10] <lemsto> is initNG included in dapper?
[08:10] <lemsto> or for dapper++?
[08:12] <siretart> hi!
[08:13] <siretart> lemsto: not dapper. it might be considered for dapper+1
[08:13] <ogra> there is a spec for such an implementation on launchpad ...
[08:13] <ogra> but it doesnt target initng afaik
[08:14] <ogra> search for streamlined-boot
[08:14] <CarlFK> in the setup, cat /dev/vcs4 gives me what is on VT4, but /dev/vcs1 doesn't give me whats on VT1 - any clue how I get what is on VT1?
[08:15] <lemsto> siretart, ok, thx
[08:20] <lemsto> ogra, streamlined-boot is a similar project as initNG?
[08:20] <lemsto> s/as/to :D
[08:20] <ogra> initng is only an attempt to do stuff automated a human will do better ...
[08:21] <ogra> so the idea is to do the same, but without initng as i understood Keybuk who is responsible for the spec
[08:21] <ogra> if we choose something automated, its more likely to be adopted from solaris afaik
[08:22] <ogra> but dont quote me on that, i had only a short talk with Keabuk about it
[08:22] <ogra> *Keybuk
[08:22] <lemsto> will it be possible to launch simultenaously 2 services with streamlined-boot?
[08:22] <ogra> yup
[08:22] <lemsto> k
[08:23] <ogra> more than two even ...
[08:23] <lemsto> hehe
[08:23] <lemsto> thank you! now ill try to find some info...
[08:23] <ogra> :)
[08:23] <lemsto> (and its planed for dapper??)
[08:24] <sivang> ogra: aren't we already running gdm login while other services are starting?
[08:24] <ogra> sivang, yup
[08:24] <ogra> but there is still a lot room for optimization
[08:24] <sivang> indeed.
[08:25] <HiddenWolf> ogra: for dapper still?
[08:25] <ogra> HiddenWolf, ls /etc/rc2.d/
[08:26] <ogra> gdm starts at 13 .... very early
[08:26] <HiddenWolf> ogra: noted, but you said "a lot of room for improvement"
[08:26] <HiddenWolf> ogra: so I'm wondering "will dapper get faster yet"
[08:26] <ogra> not for dapper according to the devlopment status streamlined-boot is deferred
[08:27] <HiddenWolf> Hm, probably a wise choice. :)
[08:27] <ogra> see the weekly update JaneW sends to the list...
[08:27] <HiddenWolf> yeah, forgot to read that one this week.
[08:36] <HiddenWolf> mjg, you promised
[08:37] <Treenaks> HiddenWolf: ???
[08:37] <HiddenWolf> Treenaks: he sent an email to -devel earlier that he was uploading xgl packages
[08:38] <ogra> bah
[08:38] <HiddenWolf> And I'm out of weed, so I need crack. :P
[08:38] <ogra> HiddenWolf, arent you in .nl ?
[08:38] <HiddenWolf> ogra: yeah. :)
[08:38] <ogra> there should be some open coffes shop ... just go out and find it :P
[08:38] <Treenaks> HiddenWolf: call the local crack dealer ;)
[08:39] <HiddenWolf> ogra: it's sucky weather, and a 10 minute walk. :)
[08:39] <ogra> lol
[08:39] <HiddenWolf> Treenaks: that'd be my roomie, but he's out for the weekend.
[08:39] <Treenaks> HiddenWolf: 2 words: supply management
[08:40] <HiddenWolf> Treenaks: please, that's one of my subjects this term. :)
[08:40] <HiddenWolf> I'll stick to beer.
[08:40] <HiddenWolf> tonight, at least
[09:02] <siretart> how do I check which conffile from a package got changed?
[09:51] <nictuku> hmm I could not search in packages.ubuntu.com, is there a python ssl implementation package in main?
[09:54] <thierry> nictuku : for wich distribution, and why can't you search on packages.ubuntu.com
[09:54] <thierry> ?
[09:54] <nictuku> i could not search 'python ssl' in the packages description
[09:54] <nictuku> Error: keyword not valid or missing
[09:55] <nictuku> only single words
[09:55] <nictuku> thierry, dapper prefereably
[09:56] <nictuku> my project: https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/nwu/trac.cgi/wiki
[09:56] <nictuku> i forgot that it would be better not to depend on universe packages
[09:57] <thierry> nictuku : don't know... sorry
[09:57] <nictuku> and m2crypto is on universe in dapper too =/
[09:57] <nictuku> thank you
[09:58] <nictuku> found. python2.4-pyopenssl
[10:01] <r0bby> I love how people can read
[10:01] <Coyctecm> damn one finnish irc channel... big flame war that ubuntu doesn't do nothing "own" just a ugly fork of debian...
[10:01] <Coyctecm> stupid
[10:01] <Spastjeh> :)
[10:03] <Coyctecm> I think ubuntu makes debian usable ;)
[10:05] <Coyctecm> damn this make me nervous :D
[10:06] <Coyctecm> just curious where are you from?
[10:06] <Coyctecm> finland
[10:15] <lemsto> france
[10:35] <CarlFK> if I am having trouble installing on LV, is this the place to report it: https://launchpad.net/products/partconf ?
[10:55] <jk-> Riddell: ping ?
[10:57] <Riddell> jk-: hi
[10:58] <jk-> Riddell: hiya. just had someone report a dep problem with the kopete meanwhile package.
[10:58] <jk-> apparently it's depending on meanwhile 0.4.x ?
[10:58] <jk-> (i don't have a dapper install handy, sorry :( )
[10:59] <Riddell> libmeanwhile1 (>= 1.0.0)
[10:59] <jk-> oh, cool.
[10:59] <jk-> maybe his repos aren't set up correctly.
[10:59] <jk-> cheers! :)
[11:02] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: that mail you sent to -devel about uploading xgl packages, is that still going to happen?
[11:02] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: lots of people begging, moaning and willing to get it from anywhere (and mess up their systems)...
[11:03] <Riddell> jk-: yep, installs here fine in dapper
[11:03] <jk-> Riddell: awesome :)
[11:13] <MisterN> n8
[11:43] <siretart> wow. seb128 is rocking malone..
[11:43] <lucas> siretart: where ?
[11:46] <mjg59> HiddenWolf: Soon
[11:46] <siretart> lucas: I'm watching the mailinglist for bugs in main
[11:46] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: how will you solve the patches to mesa and such?
[11:47] <HiddenWolf> just wondering about the ubuntu-situation, after spending a time watching a gentoo-buff trying to get it to work
[11:47] <HiddenWolf> And telling a half-dozen people to wait a bit before compiling today. :P
[11:49] <mjg59> HiddenWolf: We already have the Mesa patches in slightly older form
[11:49] <HiddenWolf> mjg59: Anyway, very cool that you are taking time to sort it out. I won't bug you further.
[11:54] <ogra> CarlFK, rather take it here ...
[11:54] <CarlFK> so.. how can I grab a screen shot of an installer error message?
[11:54] <ogra> there is already a screencapture from tty1 recorded in the installer log
[11:54] <CarlFK> no way...
[11:54] <ogra> sure
[11:55] <CarlFK> which log ?
[11:55] <ogra> i sadly cant remember the right name .. but its in /var/log/installer
[11:56] <CarlFK> leme lookie
[11:56] <CarlFK> thre is no var/log/installer
[11:57] <CarlFK> nor var/log/debian-installer (which was there in breezy)
[11:58] <ogra> CarlFK, wait for Kamion, he'll be able to tell you tomorrow ... but in any case there is a complete capture of tty1 that you can replay ... looks quite funny
[11:58] <ogra> (unless it was dropped recently)
[11:58] <CarlFK> replay?  thats awesome
[11:58] <ogra> (which i doubt)
[11:58] <CarlFK> I would hope not


[00:00] <abarbaccia1> hey team, does mythbuntu use pulseaudio at all or is it planning on using it in upcoming releases?
[00:00] <abarbaccia1> i notice its installed on my intrepid desktop but not on my intrepid mythbuntu box by default
[00:01] <tgm4883_laptop> abarbaccia1, IIRC, mythtv doesn't work with pulseaudio
[00:01] <tgm4883_laptop> That could be old info though
[00:15] <abarbaccia1> well mythtv would still pump through alsa, and then theres teh pulseaudio layer on top of that i believe.
[00:15] <abarbaccia1> i just wanna play music from my desktop through my surroundsound without using the myth stuff
[00:15] <abarbaccia1> that's all
[00:19] <perilousapricot> tgm4883_laptop, myth works with pulse
[00:19] <perilousapricot> tgm4883_laptop, they fixed the bug on myth's end
[00:20] <abarbaccia1> yeah i just dug up the bug reports in trac
[00:20] <abarbaccia1> does mythbuntu have pulse installed though, it doesn't seem to
[00:21] <abarbaccia1> or at least not on the diskless frontend images...
[00:21] <abarbaccia1> might be adding that one in soon...
[00:41] <Batshua> Uhm.
[00:42] <Batshua> ... yeah, I somehow managed to break the connection between the frontend and the backend on my new mythbuntu install.  What's the name of that .conf file I should be editing to fix it?
[00:42]  * Batshua is made of loss and fail
[03:02] <Batshua> elp-hay
[03:28] <MythbuntuGuest96> Im running a via epia m front end and playback is very jittrey,  is there any setting that will help with this?
[03:39] <BassKozz> What is tearing? I've heard alot of people complain about tearing with VDPAU, but what is it?
[03:56]  * Batshua tears hair out
[03:56] <Batshua> ... I just can't get things working.  One thing gets fixed, another thing breaks.
[03:56] <Batshua> I know mysql is screwed up somehow, but I don't know how to fix it.
[03:58] <rhpot1991> !mysql | Batshua
[03:58] <rhpot1991> hmmmm
[03:59] <rhpot1991> !mysql | Batshua
[03:59] <Zinn> Batshua: If you are having problems connecting to your mysql database, you can perform the following to reconfigure it: 1. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 (pay attention to the root password you set, you will need it for the next step) 2. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database 3. sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common
[03:59] <MythbuntuGuest96> Im running a via epia m front end and playback is very jittrey,  is there any setting that will help with this?
[03:59] <MythbuntuGuest96> Im running a via epia m front end and playback is very jittrey,  is there any setting that will help with this?
[04:01] <MythbuntuGuest96> I read about XvMC but see no settings in the front end
[04:02] <Batshua> Zinn:  Thanks tons, here goes nothing.
[04:03] <Batshua> okay so I probably have to re-re-configure mysql because it now believes the user logging in to be root
[04:03] <Batshua> and that's probably a very bad idea
[04:03] <Batshua> but but but but
[04:03] <Batshua> now everything talks to everything again
[04:26] <Batshua> onto solving my next problem.  "watch tv" gives me only a blank screen.
[04:26] <Batshua> no errors reported in the mythfrontend log
[04:27] <Batshua> it is trying to interface with my cable box, but no joy
[04:35] <rhpot1991> !blank% | Batshua
[04:35] <Zinn> Batshua: If you try to watch tv and are greeted with a blank screen and a return to the menu then please check the permissions on your recording directory.  It should be owned by mythtv:mythtv, have permissions of 775, and not be inside your home directory
[04:36] <Batshua> okay dumb question
[04:37] <Batshua> oh, huh
[04:37] <Batshua> hold on.
[04:50] <Batshua> HOORAY
[04:50] <Batshua> I can haz a signal.
[04:50] <Batshua> mostly.
[04:50] <Batshua> it sorta kinda works.  but hell, i got some signals
[04:50] <Zinn> Batshua: Please watch your language.
[05:04] <Batshua> eh?
[16:26] <tifereth> hi
[16:27] <tifereth> i discover something strange, my remote works but no lirc is running, can annyone tell me which process does this?
[16:27] <tifereth> running mythbuntu 8.10
[16:31] <superm1> built in kernel support for your remote
[16:32] <tifereth> so how to confiure it then?
[16:32] <tifereth> due it only knows some keys
[16:32] <tifereth> or how to use lirc
[16:33] <superm1> you have to disable kernel from using it then by making an fdi file
[16:33] <tifereth> could you tell me how to do?
[16:34] <superm1> modify /usr/share/hal/fdi/preprobe/20thirdparty/lirc.fdi
[16:34] <superm1> and add the matching key for your remote from lshal
[16:37] <tifereth> okay thanks i try
[16:44] <tifereth> superm1: i edited the file rebootet and my remote is no more working yet ( through dbus ), but there's too no device i just got /dev/lircd
[16:44] <tifereth> no /dev/lirc0 or sth like this
[17:45] <superm1> tifereth, you still have to configure it with dpkg-reconfigure lirc
[17:45] <superm1> making that HAL change should have just turned off the kernel exclusively locking it
[17:47] <tifereth> okay thanks but already found out
[17:48] <tifereth> the device is /dev/input/event6
[17:48] <tifereth> i now have an comple lircd.conf is there a way to create the mythlirc conf out of it?
[17:48] <superm1> mythbuntu-lirc-generator
[17:48] <tifereth> ah... thanks
[20:41] <Nolive> hello
[21:03] <okirob> http://xkcd.com/
[21:05] <okirob> wow, totally wrong window
[21:37] <the[V]oid> Hi. I have a mythtv-box and a network-attached-storage (NAS) that contains mp3 files. I can mount it's share without problems. But whenever I try to play a file, for instance with mpg123, it just hangs. Any idea what the reason could be, or where to start searching the error? It worked until yesterday, I did not perform any changes to my network/system.
[21:38] <the[V]oid> Mounting the share from a different computer and playing from there works fine
[23:27] <gizmobay> I'm currently running myth under Fedora 8. I figure I'm going to need to upgrade since it's EOL for F8. Before I setup my original system, I tried MythDora and it was very fussy about upgrading as it would pouch the system. Is mythbunu like that?
[23:34] <dashcloud> I successfully upgraded my mythbuntu system before- it worked quite well, and nothing broke
[23:48] <gizmobay> thanks for the info
[23:48] <gizmobay> Does VDPAU work? I just bought a 9500GT