[18:52] <mhall119> bkerensa: jbicha: ping
[18:52] <bkerensa> mhall119:  pong
[18:52] <mhall119> bkerensa: any progress on who we should include in 12.04 documentation credits?
[18:52] <mhall119> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Credits/DocsTeam
[18:54] <bkerensa> mhall119: let me go make that list real quick I need to just go through and harvest names of people who have merged
[18:55] <mhall119> thanks bkerensa
[18:55] <bkerensa> mhall119: You just want Ubuntu Doc Contributors or other variants?
[18:55] <bkerensa> what about Server?
[18:55] <bkerensa> :)
[18:56] <mhall119> if you have people who worked on the server guide, please include them too
[18:57] <mhall119> Darkwing: were you going to add Kubuntu doc contributors?
[19:05] <bkerensa> mhall119: I am just going to grab Kubuntu's too
[19:05] <jbicha> bkerensa: thanks
[19:06] <mhall119> thanks bkerensa
[19:12] <bkerensa> mhall119: http://paste.ubuntu.com/932990/
[19:12] <bkerensa> mhall119: I just went over the authors/commits of all the dev branches for Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu (no idea about Lubuntu)
[19:13] <mhall119> bkerensa: feel free to add them directly to the wiki
[19:13] <mhall119> or I can do that if you'd rather
[19:13] <bkerensa> mhall119: :P you are a hoot :P ok i will
[19:13] <mhall119> but since I have no idea who should be there, it's not like going through me adds anything
[19:21] <bkerensa> mhall119: cool its up there
[19:31] <mhall119> you  rock bkerensa
[21:49] <Darkwing> Thanks bkerensa
[21:49] <Darkwing> and thanks mhall119 That was on my todo list for the day.


[14:23] <Syriafree> Hi
[14:24] <Syriafree> كيفك Armageddon
[17:52]  * Armageddon pokes ghantoos
[18:22] <youssefchaker> layko min ba3do 3ayish!
[19:12] <ghantoos> Armageddon: pong
[19:16] <Armageddon> ghantoos, you worked with shells right ?
[19:16] <Armageddon> coded your own shell...
[19:16] <Armageddon> is there a documentation or a manual you followed ?
[19:16] <Armageddon> I kind of need to do the same
[19:24] <ghantoos> Armageddon: nope, not really
[19:24] <ghantoos> what do you need to do exactly?
[19:25] <Armageddon> I need to write my own shell
[19:25] <Armageddon> from scratch
[19:25] <Armageddon> it should handle some specifications
[19:26] <Armageddon> like run commands, be able to | and >
[19:26] <Armageddon> stuff like that
[19:37] <ghantoos> in which language?
[19:38] <Armageddon> C
[19:38] <Armageddon> which one did you use ?
[19:41] <ghantoos> python
[19:41] <Armageddon> oh alright
[19:41] <Armageddon> we have to use C
[19:41] <Armageddon> it's for the OS
[19:42] <ghantoos> you can take a look a rahmu's github
[19:42] <ghantoos> he worked on recoding my shell (lshell) in C
[19:42] <ghantoos> https://github.com/rahmu/Agros
[19:43] <Armageddon> I'm still very very beginner in C :p
[19:43] <Armageddon> so probably looking at that huge code will get me more confused
[19:47] <ghantoos> one libg you'll need to look into is the "readline" library
[19:47] <ghantoos> s/libg/lib/
[19:48] <ghantoos> http://www.unix.com/programming/901-mini-shell-c.html
[19:50] <rapacity> don't spoil the kid too much ghantoos
[19:50] <rapacity> he's already a master's student d:
[19:51] <rapacity> he should do his own homework once in a while
[19:51] <Armageddon> rapacity, I'm not looking at taking the work already done
[19:52] <Armageddon> I am looking at coding it myself from scratch
[19:52] <Armageddon> but, I want a point of beginning
[19:57] <ghantoos> here's a beginning
[19:57] <ghantoos> #include <stdio.h>
[19:57] <ghantoos> :)
[19:58] <Armageddon> lol
[20:16] <youssefchaker> joura
[20:16] <youssefchaker> jeibak joura el m3allim ya Armageddon
[20:16] <youssefchaker> :P
[20:16] <Armageddon> ok
[20:17] <youssefchaker> tab ghantoos sei3do shway, give him the next line too
[20:18] <Armageddon> youssefchaker, let me find something funny to laugh at in your sentence other than you
[20:18] <youssefchaker> naza3itak amrika ya zalame
[20:19] <ghantoos> :)
[20:19] <Armageddon> youssefchaker, ghantoos was being funny inta 7labta
[20:20] <youssefchaker> eh ba3rif, bass 3am zannikh 3leik ta sajjil 7odour :P
[20:21] <Armageddon> ok


[00:22] <Nonqwet> hi all!
[00:23] <Nonqwet> When Xubuntu will run as fast as Lubuntu?
[00:23] <Sysi> "run as fast"?
[00:23] <Sysi> what do you mean by that
[00:23] <Nonqwet> google translate...
[00:24] <Nonqwet> speed of work
[00:24] <Nonqwet> speed of operation and etc
[00:24] <Nonqwet> and?
[00:26] <Nonqwet> I think Xubuntu has lost its relevance.
[00:26] <Nonqwet> Xubuntu does not work faster than Ubuntu with Gnome 2.
[00:27] <Nonqwet> But Lubuntu fastest and more. And it uses less resources.
[00:27] <Nonqwet> Why are you silent?
[00:27] <Nonqwet> :(
[00:29] <Nonqwet> ok then bb
[01:10] <Paimun> well
[01:10] <Paimun> that was fascinating
[03:15] <alejandro_moreno> hi
[03:16] <alejandro_moreno> my newly installed xubuntu can't find my wireless card
[03:16] <alejandro_moreno> and can't automount CDs or USB sticks ...
[03:16] <alejandro_moreno> do I need to get a wired connection and try an update?
[03:17] <alejandro_moreno> or can I manually mount say the Xubuntu live CD and try something from there?
[03:21] <alejandro_moreno> can't mount CD
[03:21] <alejandro_moreno> /etc/fstab doesn't have a cdrom entry
[03:22] <alejandro_moreno> what should it look like?
[03:23] <alejandro_moreno> unknown filesystem type iso9660 ...
[03:26] <alejandro_moreno> getting worrying messages from modprobe
[03:26] <alejandro_moreno> sudo modprobe -l ath*
[03:26] <alejandro_moreno> FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/3.0.0-13-generic/modules.dep: No such file or directory
[03:27] <alejandro_moreno> should I just give it up and reinstall?
[04:35] <alejandro_moreno> well
[04:35] <alejandro_moreno> I did reinstall, and it went MUCH better
[04:36] <alejandro_moreno> I'm still getting an error about xfce-panel not running, or something like that
[04:37] <alejandro_moreno> No running instance of xfce-panel was found (cancel) (execute) ... or something to that effect
[05:44] <alejandro_moreno> fixed xfce-panel error: rm .cach
[05:45] <alejandro_moreno> rm ~/.cache/sessions/*
[06:35] <CrownWheel> Hey, xubuntu users.
[06:36] <CrownWheel> Has anyone tried installing the R statistics package under 11.10 yet
[06:37] <CrownWheel> ?
[06:37] <CrownWheel> Synaptic refuses to do it.  "cannot be installed" with no further explanation.
[06:40] <CrownWheel> The "Software Center" has more helpful error text.
[06:40] <CrownWheel> All of R's dependencies produce errors like this:
[06:40] <CrownWheel> Depends: r-base-core (>= 2.13.0) but 2.14.0-1oneiric0 is to be installed
[06:41] <CrownWheel> is there a way to force Synaptic/apt/dpkg/whatever to simply USE the ubuntu5/oneiric0 versions of these packages?
[07:18] <jesusra-away> hi, I'm having freeze or hang problem on reboot or shutdown, somewhere I read that stopping networking before reboot could help and indeed it works for me, now the question is how to automatically stop networking on rebooting, where I can put the command so the first thing it does is stop network?
[07:20] <jesusra> also how can stop the graphical front end when the system starts or ends so I can see the log on screen?, thanks.
[08:07] <TheSheep> jesusra: remove 'quiet' and 'splash' from the boot options
[08:07] <TheSheep> !boot | jesusra
[08:07] <TheSheep> jesusra: by the way, please don't change your nick on away
[08:09] <jesusra> TheSheep : sorry, problem with connection. will check the links thanks
[08:10] <jesusra> first thing I did was to remove quiet and splash, the result was a blank screen until the login to xubuntu appear
[08:14] <TheSheep> then you may want to disable framebuffer, but I forgot what is the boot option for that
[08:14] <TheSheep> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer#How_to_disable_the_framebuffer
[08:18] <StormStrikes> I know this is not the place, but Ive asked in the LibreOffice channel, the documentfoundation channel, the forums and got nothing and Ive tried over a few days.  But is there anyone here skilled in Calc macros that I would be able to ask a few questions of?
[08:20] <jesusra> mmh, the hang on reboot may be due the wireless driver, I unchecked Enable wireless (translated from spanish Activar Inalámbrico) and now I can reboot properly
[08:28] <jesusra> TheSheep : the instructions in BootOptions seems to apply when installing, I found that on grub menu pressing <e> I can remove the line set gfxpayload=$linux_gfx_mode and this works, there are not too many log lines though, cu thanks.
[10:16] <Error404NotFound> I have suddenly lost sound after i rebooted due to some upgrades( http://pastebin.com/dAiix2am) also tried rebooting into older kernal, killing all processing using pcm, restart pulseaudio, etc...
[10:17] <cYmen> Hm...something seems to have changed recently and now xubuntu only uses one of my screen. Where do I change that?
[15:07] <kora-chan> hey guys, i recently switched from ubuntu to xubuntu (11.10) and was wondering what i have to do to get my ipod touch sync with banshe. libgpod is installed and lsusb yields the ipod device is connected directly. i also tried gtkpod, but none seemed to recognize the device. any ideas?
[15:10] <GridCube> !ipod
[15:44] <dipseydoodle> hello
[15:44] <dipseydoodle> Does Xubuntu come with Apache?
[15:45] <dipseydoodle> (I couldn't find a list of Servers/Apps etc...)
[15:48] <GridCube> dipseydoodle: nope
[15:48] <Myrtti> I don't think apart from Ubuntu shipping with Samba and all desktop versions coming with CUPS, none of the Ubuntu flavours come with any servers
[15:48] <GridCube> !info apache
[15:48] <dipseydoodle> Really.
[15:48] <GridCube> mmhm thats weird
[15:48] <dipseydoodle> Interesting
[15:48] <ablomen> !info apache2
[15:48] <Myrtti> :-)
[15:48] <GridCube> ah there it is
[15:48] <dipseydoodle> Hmm?
[15:48] <GridCube> also lamp
[15:48] <GridCube> !lamp
[15:49] <ablomen> basicly install php5 mysql-server apache2 and phpmyadmin and you should be all set
[15:49] <dipseydoodle> Ok thanks.
[15:50] <Myrtti> dipseydoodle: I think the reasoning is that the distro can be used in many ways and not everyone wants apache2 in their system
[15:50] <dipseydoodle> Btw, I am a mac user (have a nice macbook :P ) use them alot. I'm looking for an exiting new OS that a Hobby Programmer like me can play around with
[15:51] <GridCube> any linux should help you there
[15:51] <dipseydoodle> :p
[15:51] <dipseydoodle> I know
[15:51] <dipseydoodle> I just so happened to download the kernal yesterday.
[15:51] <dipseydoodle> \
[15:52] <dipseydoodle> I'm thinking of making a new distro in my spare time :P
[15:52] <ablomen> !lfs
[15:53] <dipseydoodle> I've looked into that before.
[15:54] <dipseydoodle> It seems quite helpful, but. I'm the one who can't stand DIY books :P
[15:54] <GridCube> !ot
[15:54] <dipseydoodle> I'm quite familiar with Unix Source etc... I'm sure I could hack up some of the source cide and be happy with it.
[15:54] <dipseydoodle> I see.
[15:54] <dipseydoodle> Sorry
[15:55] <GridCube> :) no problem
[15:56] <dipseydoodle> (ontopic) I don't want to waste all your time so I'll make this last question short. Am I right when I assume that this distro comes with GCC? or is there something else I need to download aswell?
[15:56] <Myrtti> !info build-essential
[15:57] <Myrtti> again, not everyone needs GCC so you need to install it - best way to do that is to install the build-essential package which pulls all the dependencies.
[15:57] <Myrtti> well, all the dependencies needed for basic work.
[15:57] <dipseydoodle> Ok
[15:57] <dipseydoodle> thanks
[16:43] <xubuntu433> hi
[16:44] <baizon> hello
[16:44] <xubuntu433> is there anyway to change xscreensaver password screen
[16:44] <GridCube> hello
[16:44] <GridCube> not that i know off
[16:45] <holstein> there are different lockers, but leaving the default one is going to be problematic
[16:45] <holstein> or challenging
[16:46] <xubuntu433> and is there anyway to restore xubuntu without reinstall?
[16:46] <xubuntu433> i install gnomescreensaver but i cant change background
[16:46] <GridCube> depends on what went wrong
[16:47] <xubuntu433> i remove xscreensaver install gnomescreensaver. I install xscreensaver but screensaver setting gone
[16:48] <baizon> so remove the config
[16:48] <xubuntu433> ?
[16:49] <baizon> sorry i mean recreate it
[16:49] <baizon> dpkg-reconfigure xscreensaver
[16:50] <xubuntu433> this command for recreate config files?
[16:50] <baizon> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/man8/dpkg-reconfigure.8.html
[16:51] <xubuntu433> thanks
[16:52] <baizon> np
[16:52] <xubuntu433> and last question if i want to use gnomescreensaver in xubuntu how can i access gnome screensaver prefences
[16:53] <baizon> xubuntu433: /usr/bin/gnome-screensaver-preferences
[16:54] <xubuntu433> again thx and goodbye
[16:54] <baizon> np, cu
[18:00] <revenuar> hello, does skype work with xubuntu?
[18:02] <Unit193> If not, you may want to tell Skype as I'm running it now ;)
[18:04] <revenuar> i keep on getting: failed to download package files, check your internet connection
[18:04] <revenuar> via the software centre
[18:05] <Unit193> You are online with that same computer? Try opening Synaptic and "reloading" the package list. Did you enable the third party repo?
[18:06] <revenuar> yes, no
[18:08] <Unit193> !partner
[18:08] <Unit193> Or you can use Synaptic to add it
[18:16] <revenuar> okay, skypes in queue. should have looked here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype before i asked. sorry
[18:17] <revenuar> thanks!
[18:28] <Linze> hoi
[20:21] <ajauregui> Hi!!!
[20:21] <ajauregui> i need to mount a SD card in xubuntu
[20:22] <ajauregui> when i insert the card nothing happens
[20:22] <ajauregui> can anybody help me?
[21:53] <drx1> is Xubuntu the lightest Ubutu version?
[21:53] <drx1> Can you install Xubuntu on a PII/450Mhz/384M/5G system and have it run sufficiently quickly?
[21:54] <drx1> Is it possible to install Xubuntu from a bootable floppy or start the installation for an MSDOS boot floppy?
[21:54] <TheSheep> drx1: no
[21:54] <drx1> TheSheep: which is the lightest?
[21:55] <drx1> or is that no to have it run well?
[21:55] <TheSheep> drx1: no idea, but that is way too little ram to run xubuntu
[21:55] <TheSheep> also, what does "the lightest" mean?
[21:55] <TheSheep> ubuntu server would be the lightest, I guess
[21:55] <drx1> so no ubuntu flavor for an old laptop, eh?
[21:55] <TheSheep> console-only
[21:56] <TheSheep> ram is cheap
[21:56] <drx1> this system maxes out at 384M
[21:56] <TheSheep> and modern web browsers eat ram like hogs
[21:57] <TheSheep> no matter how light your system is, the applications will use most of the ram
[21:59] <TheSheep> you can try the distros that are specifically designed for small computers, like damn small linux or puppy linux
[21:59] <drx1> i reallly need it to (1) compile C apps (configure/make) (2) run disk utilities, (3) subversion, (4) view office documents (e.g., open office).  browsing would be secondary
[21:59] <TheSheep> open office is even more of a ram hog
[21:59] <TheSheep> other than that you are alright with just the console
[22:00] <drx1> console will get me the first three, but not the last 2
[22:10] <drx1> what about Ubuntu compatible puppy linux... is that any good?
[22:21] <drx1> is there any browser that won't try to hog all your RAM?
[22:55] <w30> drx1, Ha! Yeah use wget
[22:55] <holstein> midori seems nice and light
[23:06] <w30> holstein, check out this url for emerald and libemeraldengine for xubuntu; works for me.http://askubuntu.com/questions/82198/is-it-possible-to-keep-the-window-buttons-and-title-opaque-and-the-border-trans
[23:07] <holstein> yeah, emerald works for me
[23:07] <holstein> i get compiz working... its just slow
[23:07] <holstein> and focus problems
[23:10] <w30> holstein, I fixed my speed problem by editing /proc/cpuinfo with "model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz"
[23:10] <Sysi> holstein: sounds exactly like compiz :P
[23:12] <holstein> yup... its not slow pre-compiz w30
[23:15] <w30> holstein, I don't know what compiz needs to run well, Everyone says you don't need anything like what Vista needs but Vista needs a lot so that don't say much
[23:17] <Sysi> compiz needs good drivers
[23:19] <w30> Sysi, it needs at the least 3d drivers that support Open GL
[23:20] <Sysi> anything less is nowhere near "good"
[23:26] <w30> I need a 4th button on my mouse to run the cube; Otherwise I am good to go.
[23:28] <w30> If I use buttons 1 thru 3,  I loose some other window manager function. I have it buuton 1 plus super.
[23:28] <Sysi> cube sucks, it would be awesome to have button for scale
[23:30] <w30> Sysi, That's a good Idea you need to head to New Egg com eh?
[23:31] <Sysi> on other tought, having apple magic trackpad would be more awesome
[23:31] <Sysi> I wonder how well ginn works
[23:34] <w30> Sysi, what's ginn?
[23:34] <Sysi> daemon for multitouch gestures
[23:35] <w30> Sysi, oh, ok.  I can't keep either clean even trying not to touch either. no touch screens for me unless I can wipe them off on my sleeve.
[23:39] <Sysi> I can't keep mousepad or trackball clean
[23:41] <Sysi> not clean screen is much easier to not notice


[00:01] <ylwghst> there is an default example in
[00:01] <ylwghst> /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/apt.conf
[00:02] <ylwghst> vaillor: man apt.conf
[00:03] <ylwghst> /etc/apt/apt.conf is the main configuration file shared by all the tools in the APT suite of tools, though it is by no means the only place options
[00:03] <ylwghst>        can be set. The suite also shares a common command line parser to provide a uniform environment.
[00:04] <ylwghst> well you propably could create
[00:04] <ylwghst> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01proxy
[00:04] <ylwghst> too
[00:05] <ylwghst> then 01proxy becomes parsed
[00:05] <ylwghst> try this
[00:06] <ylwghst> echo "Acquire::http::Proxy "http://yourproxyaddress:proxyport"; >> /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01proxy
[00:08] <ylwghst> then apt-update
[00:08] <vaillor> apt-update command not found
[00:09] <ylwghst> sorry
[00:09] <ylwghst> sudo apt update
[00:10] <ylwghst> Does it connect?
[00:12] <vaillor> ylwghst, yes
[00:13] <ylwghst> Good
[00:15] <ylwghst> brb
[00:38] <salty223> Hello, anyone here who also bricked their lenovo?
[00:45] <mutante> salty223: How would we know that :)
[00:46] <salty223> mutante https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1734147
[00:47] <mutante> salty223: wooow.. what. that almost reads like an April's fools bug:
[00:47] <mutante> ""I had to remove the bios chip with hot air, read the content with a usb programmer, and flash a new chip.""
[00:48] <salty223> unfortunately its not and my laptop is dead, they at least can boot into ubuntu, not so good but it allows for some trick to reflash from there
[00:48] <salty223> but yoga, it just died
[00:49] <mutante> crazy! if anything should be High Priority then this one
[00:49] <salty223> but holy shiet how bugs like that can emerge out of nowhere...
[00:50] <bazhang> salty223, no cursing here please
[00:50] <salty223> okay
[00:51] <koldbert> thanks ubuntu
[00:51] <koldbert> Windows was being junk, as usual but Ubuntu runs fine :)
[00:52] <salty223> koldbert ikr, thought the same until today
[00:53] <mutante> his laptop is bricked, let him curse for a minute :)
[00:53] <salty223> no no you know, rules are more important
[00:58] <koldbert> heh
[00:58] <koldbert> salty223: that explains the nick
[01:00] <salty223> i love it how the issue warning on reddit is being downvoted to ground
[01:00] <salty223> best way to solve the issue is to hide it and pretend it doesnt happen at all
[01:17] <mbeierl> trying to wrap my head around netplan.  I have an installer that uses ipv6 netmask format for 16.04, /etc/network/interfaces style. How do I convert an ipv6 netmask to /48 or whatever CIDR so I can use netplan?
[01:37] <adrian_1908> Anyone here using an OpenVPN connection via the Network Manager? I'm having some random behavior with regards to auto-connect on startup.
[01:55] <akik> i couldn't find any post in /r/Ubuntu about the lenovo bug
[02:43] <intern1t-error> this used to be ubuntu-beginners?
[02:45] <rosco_y> Can I output the contents of xclip to a vim editor session?
[02:46] <rosco_y> for example, I'd like to use xclip to capture my current directory, and then open vim and paste that into the vim file.
[02:47] <rosco_y> or is this the wrong forum for this question?
[02:48] <mutante> rosco_y: open vim, type :r ls
[02:49] <JoshuaD> http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/GNU/Linux_clipboard_copy/paste_with_xclip
[02:49] <mutante> much quicker :)
[02:49] <mutante> rosco_y: sorry, ":r !ls"   it executes the command (ls as example) and puts the output into your buffer
[03:58] <azizLIGHT> how can i get the hex color code of where my mouse is
[04:02] <rosco_y> azizLIGHT: you can try gpick: https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/precise/gpick/
[04:03] <azizLIGHT> rosco_y: thats excellent. exactly what i need
[04:03] <rosco_y> :) great!
[04:16] <R0b0t1> Hello
[04:16] <R0b0t1> imtest isn't provided with any cyrus packages I can find
[04:16] <R0b0t1> Where might it be?
[04:19] <R0b0t1> Okay, more precise:
[04:19] <R0b0t1> cyrus-clients does not expose imtest for some reason. How do I get it?
[04:30] <sskniranjan> how to install freefilesync ....i got the .tar.gz file when extracted it has the executable file...after double clicking that am able to run the program but it is still not intalled. am not able to see it in the app drawer...the .tar.gz file doeasnot have any readme or install file neither does it have configure file
[05:02] <OrthoCube> Does anyone know how to fix video tearing in VLC, or is it just something I have to accept when I choose Linux? (If it's not fixable, I won't complain.) I'm running on Ubuntu 17.10 x64, on X11 because I use NVidia blob drivers.
[05:15] <hotwater99999> anyone familiar with clonezilla or similiar program that makes an exact clone of an entire drive? so my question if someone clones a smaller harddrive and upgrades their computer to a larger harddrive and also maybe expanding memory..what that be an issue with using the clone on the smaller drive and putting it on the larger drive if only those two hardware components are changed?
[05:18] <OrthoCube> hotwater99999, I am not an expert or even familiar with CloneZilla, but if you were to ask me, it won't be a problem, though you will need to resize partitions after writing the clone to the bigger drive in order to make use of the space available provided by the larger drive.
[05:19] <hotwater99999> ohh i have thought about the partition thing...clonezilla is basically an exact image of your hard drive similar to those programs in windows that can make an image of your hard drive running but clonezilla does it when the hard drive is unmounted
[05:20] <hotwater99999> works well but i have not tried it on transfering from one hard drive to another
[05:20] <hotwater99999> since those images are exact ...everything is clone settings partitions sizes etc etc etc
[05:21] <OrthoCube> Yep, if you clone the hard drive bit by bit, you will get the exact same partition sizes when you write it to another hard drive, so if you want the new partitions to use up the entire hard drive, you will need to resize partitions :)
[05:22] <OrthoCube> If you write it on a smaller drive, though... That may be a problem LOL
[05:23] <OrthoCube> Since you will be basically fooling the system, saying that a partition goes from here to there but in fact, the hard disk doesn't even have that amount of space, so I don't know what might happen XD
[05:24] <OrthoCube> Again, I'm in no way an expert, I'm even a Linux newbie (not exactly clueless but not experienced either), but I know computers XD
[05:29] <hotwater99999> lol
[05:29] <hotwater99999> thanks
[05:35] <OrthoCube> :)
[05:35] <OrthoCube> I'd like to say I'm a Windows expert but I don't think that will give me any credibility anyway XD
[05:38] <hotwater99999> accoring to what i read there is supposed to be an option but are having trouble with that and somone said they just used gparted which is probably a lot simpliar then trying to figure out how to do it with clonezilla lol
[05:50] <alkisg> hotwater99999: a simple way is: boot from a live pendrive while having both hard disks connected. Then run `sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb` to do a bit-for-bit clone. Finally, run `sudo gparted /dev/sdb` to do the resize.
[05:50] <hotwater99999> i dont think it has a slot for two hard drives
[05:51] <hotwater99999> thanks though
[05:51] <alkisg> hotwater99999: so how are you planning to do it then?!
[05:51] <alkisg> Saving e.g. 200 GB to an external drive?
[05:51] <hotwater99999> i was thinking about clonezilla
[05:52] <alkisg> And where would the drives be connected ?
[05:52] <hotwater99999> i already a 1 tb external drive
[05:52] <alkisg> Ah, so you're planning to do two copies
[05:52] <alkisg> One internal=>external, and one external=> new internal
[05:52] <alkisg> OK, it's the same thing, just two dd commands instead of one
[05:52] <hotwater99999> i was thinking about cloning the drive and then putting it on a larger one
[05:53] <alkisg> E.g. sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/media/my-external-disk/backup.img
[05:53] <hotwater99999> clonezilla is more safe and does the similiar thing but better :P
[05:53] <alkisg> Nah, all those are just front-ends for the console tools
[05:53] <alkisg> So you're just missing a few error messages etc
[05:54] <alkisg> Anyway, whatever you prefer
[06:03] <rh10> guys, i moved ssd with ubuntu 16.04 to hew hardware and it booted, but what i have to do now? i mean some corrections and so on
[06:04] <rh10> like Dracut
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> !info preload | rh10
[06:12] <alkisg> rh10: you don't need to do anything, linux detects the hardware as it boots anyway
[06:12] <alkisg> Only proprietary drivers need to be installed, e.g. if you didn't have nvidia and now you do
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> rh10: there are always tweaks you can do, to speed things up with or without ssd also
[06:13] <rh10> lotuspsychje, alkisg, got it thanks.
[06:13] <rh10> i've found https://www.pcsuggest.com/dracut-linux-ubuntu/
[06:13] <alkisg> rh10: dracut is not used in Ubuntu, it's using initramfs instead
[06:14] <alkisg> I don't know where you got the idea that you need to do something with dracut
[06:14] <rh10> i've instaled dracut, regenerate initramfs, then systemd-analyze and it was a lot better
[06:14] <alkisg> rh10: if you install dracut, you will probably break your installation
[06:14] <alkisg> OK
[06:14] <rh10> alkisg, nope. all works fine. thanks for support
[06:15] <alkisg> rh10: ok; am telling you this as someone with experience, but if you prefer some google blog, all fine
[06:15] <alkisg> Just remember to mention it if things break and you come here for support, because it will most probably be the one to blame
[06:15] <konrados> Hi. I'm looking for a very simple thing - in my kubuntu's taskbar  I'd like to see a cpu monitor, as an icon, such like here : (yeah, this is Windows) : https://images.techhive.com/images/idge/imported/article/ctw/2013/11/12/win8boost_taskman_tray-100390701-orig.png
[06:15] <rh10> alkisg, got it. but systemd-analyze after i rregenerate show a lot better result
[06:15] <lotuspsychje> konrados: perhaps the #kubuntu channel might know more of it?
[06:16] <alkisg> rh10: that's because it's missing essential things
[06:16] <alkisg> rh10: you can also omit other essential things and speed it up more
[06:16] <konrados> lotuspsychje: ok, thanks, I'll try
[06:16] <alkisg> Just mark the word, "essential"
[06:16] <rh10> alkisg, what exactly essential things?
[06:16] <rh10> dont understand
[06:17] <rh10> all works fine. what i did wrong?
[06:17] <alkisg> rh10: dracut is the initramfs system for fedora. It's somewhat experimental in the debian based world
[06:17] <alkisg> The debian world is using initramfs-tools,so all packages support that one only
[06:17] <alkisg> So whatever package is installing /usr/share/initramfs-tools hooks and scripts, won't put them in dracut
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> rh10: replacing ubuntu base packages from another could make your system break
[06:18] <alkisg> dpkg -S /usr/share/initramfs-tools/ ==> udev, isc-dhcp-client, keyboard-configuration, kbd, fuse, busybox-initramfs, brltty, ntfs-3g, initramfs-tools, initramfs-tools-core, kmod, intel-microcode, ltsp-client-core, nbd-client, plymouth, klibc-utils, sch-scripts: /usr/share/initramfs-tools
[06:18] <alkisg> All those packages most probably don't have equivalent scripts for dracut
[06:20] <rh10> alkisg, got it
[06:20] <alkisg> ok
[06:20] <rh10> alkisg, thanks one more time for explanation!
[06:21] <alkisg> You're welcome :)
[06:23] <rh10> alkisg, i removed dracut. installed initramfs-tools, reboot, and now im writing here :)
[06:23] <alkisg> Good decision :D
[06:23] <alkisg> Dracut may at some point initramfs-tools, or it may not. It's best to stick with whatever the Debian developers decide on that one.
[06:23] <alkisg> *replace
[06:24] <rh10> alkisg, yeah. understood it
[06:24] <rh10> :)
[06:25] <rh10> alkisg, i dont need to do anything? i thought i had to do. because boot process was so slow
[06:25] <alkisg> rh10: some things will be changed automatically the next time you update the kernel or install services etc, like intel/amd microcode, ureadahead prefetching etc
[06:25] <alkisg> You won't notice anything anyway, so don't worry about them
[06:26] <alkisg> If you were expecting the ssd to make boot 10 times faster... nah, that's on Windows, as Ubuntu is already fast on HDDs...
[06:26] <rh10> now, probably after reinstall initramfs-tools - boot process become a lot better. maybe it regenerate smth?
[06:26] <alkisg> It triggers the microcode and the ureadahead hooks
[06:26] <rh10> alkisg, nope. im compare to old hardware boot time
[06:27] <alkisg> Boot time isn't really important. Better check a few youtube tabs open on the internet :)
[06:27] <rh10> i just move ssd with working ubuntu to new hardware.
[06:27] <rh10> yeah. i'll chech it :)
[06:27] <alkisg> Boot time is under a minute,right?
[06:27] <rh10> check*
[06:27] <alkisg> If it's more, then it's worth to look into it, if it's less... nah
[06:29] <rh10> alkisg, under minute. but first time boot was a lot longer as it was on more old hardware when ssd worked before. smth like so
[06:29] <rh10> and im began thinking what i need to do :)
[06:29] <rh10> ayway thanks
[06:29] <rh10> anyway*
[06:29] <alkisg> For example, wrong fstab entries may cause boot timeout delays, but they would be noticable, more than 1 min total boot time
[06:30] <alkisg> If there are no service timeouts on boot, then it's fine
[06:30] <rh10> got it
[06:32] <rh10> alkisg, good question: what i have to read about initramfs and boot process to understand all booting process and tools using for it?
[06:33] <alkisg> rh10: there are so many things to read that you would need to be more specific. Initramfs? Systemd? All the services?
[06:34] <alkisg> Start reading about systemd a bit, it's the most important part, the initramfs doesn't bother people much anyway :D
[06:34] <rh10> alkisg, thanks 10 time :)
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> !systemd | rh10 suggested by alkisg
[06:50] <rh10> guys one more question. is it real to free cached memory?
[06:50] <rh10> smth like sync for disk :)
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> rh10: whats your engoal exactly?
[06:52] <rh10> lotuspsychje, mostly i want to learn how linux works with memory
[06:53] <rh10> mostly theoretical question
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> !swap | rh10
[06:53] <lotuspsychje> rh10: but with your ssd, youl have enough speed
[06:53] <rh10> lotuspsychje, know about it. but im about cache
[06:53] <rh10> not swap
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> rh10: i would reccomend other tweaks to speedup things: preload, swappiness tweak,disabled unused services at boot,..system cleanup
[06:55] <rh10> lotuspsychje, thanks
[06:56] <lotuspsychje> rh10: free -m in terminal
[06:57] <rh10> lotuspsychje, it's for view i know it, thanks
[07:22] <Leevancleef> Is kms-server-logout-greeter an Ubuntu thing or a KDE Plasma thing?
[07:27] <Leevancleef> Okay, it's part of KDE's session manager
[07:41] <cc243750496> Hi i found an issue with network manager,here is the main issue report https://github.com/jurobystricky/Netgear-A6210/issues/88#issuecomment-345521879        And a bug report here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1733138
[07:43] <cc243750496> The bug report haven't been replied for nearly a month
[07:43] <cc243750496> I hope i can get an answer or solution here
[09:02] <ChristW> I would like to use the ppmdraw command. That was introduced in netpbm 10.29 (in 2005), apparently. When I install the netpbm package (apt install netpbm) I get version 10.0. Really? Over 12 year old software?
[09:02] <ChristW> I must have made a mistake somewhere...
[09:11] <amitprakash> How do I get mkconfig to generate root=LABEL=<deviceByLabel> instead of root=UUID=<deviceByUUID> or root=/dev/<device>
[09:12] <Ben64> amitprakash: what's wrong with UUID
[09:14] <dreamlinux-user>  /etc/default/grub ?
[09:14] <amitprakash> Ben64, cloud AMIs
[09:14] <amitprakash> dreamlinux-user, what param?
[09:15] <amitprakash> Ben64, custom cloud AMI
[09:15] <amitprakash> Specifically, embedded initramfs, no kernel modules etc
[09:18] <cc243750496> 15:41 <cc243750496> Hi i found an issue with network manager,here is the main issue report https://github.com/jurobystricky/Netgear-A6210/issues/88#issuecomment-345521879        And a bug report here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1733138
[09:19] <IamTrying> Drivers are UPDD for touch screen. Is Ubuntu 16 compatible with UPDD drivers for touchscreen?
[09:22] <bluewolf> Hello. I am trying to install this - https://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/linux/ on my Ubuntu 16.04 Gnome. But it requires this dependency ( libqt5gui5 (>=5.5)  ) When I run sudo apt-get install libqt5gui5 - It does not do anything?
[09:23] <IamTrying> Now nobody has answer on this? Guys i stop using Ubuntu because it was unstable, unreliable with Touch screen connected from ELo or Dell. Does anyone know if the UPDD drivers are compatible with Ubuntu 16?
[09:23] <Ben64> IamTrying: load up a live usb and find out?
[09:29] <IamTrying> Ben64: does not work.
[09:30] <IamTrying> When i connected on Windows immediately working.
[09:37] <bluewolf> Anyone?
[09:47] <bluewolf> Hello. I am trying to install this - https://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/linux/ on my Ubuntu 16.04 Gnome. But it requires this dependency ( libqt5gui5 (>=5.5)  ) When I run sudo apt-get install libqt5gui5 - It does not do anything?
[09:47] <ylwghst> bluewolf:
[09:48] <ylwghst> try this:
[09:48] <ylwghst> sudo apt-get -f install
[09:48] <ylwghst> without package name
[09:53] <bluewolf> ylwghst: Its come up with the same response
[09:54] <bluewolf> Not really done anything
[09:55] <Ben64> bluewolf: what do you mean it doesn't do anything
[09:56] <bluewolf> Ben64: ylwghst:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/26182200/
[09:56] <Ben64> that's not nothing. you already have the package installed
[09:57] <bluewolf> Ben64: My mistake. But then why wont it install this package? https://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/linux/
[09:58] <bluewolf> The Debian/Ubuntu 64bit?
[09:58] <Ben64> ask teamviewer
[09:59] <thyriaen> I have shutdown and sleep issues independent of the kernel or using debian / ubuntu 16.10 / ubuntu 17.10 - it seems to shutdown , turns of the screen but remains in a "on" state somehow ( have to long hold the power button to resolve it )
[09:59] <thyriaen> i have already tried different kernels and debian or ubuntu versions with no success - same error
[10:00] <thyriaen> someone helped me in here and i tried this script: http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[10:01] <thyriaen> the fix applied correctly and it now says "acpi_osi=Windows 2015" in /proc/cmdline
[10:01] <bluewolf> Ben64: I downloaded the package and opened it in the software centre. It then came up with that dependency ( libqt5gui5 (>=5.5) )
[10:01] <bluewolf> Could not install because it was missing?
[10:01] <Ben64> bluewolf: ok but it's a 3rd party package and we don't support it here
[10:03] <bluewolf> Ben64: Which - teamviewer or libqt5gui5 (>=5.5) ?
[10:04] <bluewolf>  Ben64: Fair enough. Just trying to work out how to get the dependency going.
[10:07] <bluewolf> Ben64: If you don't mind me asking. What does it mean by this in the software centre when I open teamviewer package in it? Dependency is not satisfiable: libqt5gui5 (>=5.5)
[10:14] <systems-sk> Hi there, i have an HP DL360 gen9 server running Ubuntu <IP_ADDRESS> and i have a device /dev/sdb with 1GB (not an sd card). Does anyone know how to get rid of this? (I assume this is the HP "intelligent provisioning" disk)
[10:18] <adrian_1908> Anyone familiar with the openvpn package, specifically the client/server separation and systemd units? I'm not sure which to use.
[10:21] <thyriaen> Any idea what my problem might be ?
[10:21] <adrian_1908> thyriaen: I joined later, what is your issue?
[10:22] <thyriaen> adrian_1908, i am just going to paste what i wrote again :)
[10:22] <adrian_1908> yes :)
[10:24] <adrian_1908> afk for a moment, but i'll be around to check periodically
[10:24] <thyriaen> adrian_1908, https://hastebin.com/rizowaxoca.coffeescript
[10:33] <adrian_1908> back, sorry no idea. what a curious solution though. you're far from the only person reporting issues with suspend/resume on Ubunut unfortunately.
[10:36] <adrian_1908> btw, what continent are you on? I find it strange that IRC activity seems to be very tied to time, as if only Europeans used it.
[10:37] <adrian_1908> (or I'm not seeing 90% of IRC traffic for some reason)
[10:39] <onlyabyte> adrian_1908: I'd imagine that is the case. Plus, it is a work week so most European nations would be working at this time.
[10:40] <intern1t-error> test
[10:40] <wega> can confirm. working.
[10:41] <intern1t-error> hi there wega
[10:41] <adrian_1908> onlyabyte: Yes indeed, if Europeans are working or sleeping, most channels seem to die out for me. I would have assumed Americans to make up the majority of any given channel of this kind.
[10:42] <intern1t-error> is this still a good place for beginner linux?
[10:42] <onlyabyte> adrian_1908: The whole of the US is still asleep, https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
[10:42] <onlyabyte> intern1t-error: What do you mean?
[10:43] <adrian_1908> onlyabyte: yes, but 3am-5am CET would be evening comfortably evening in the continental U.S. and this channel is pretty much dead by then.
[10:44] <intern1t-error> from what i understand there used to be a channel called #ubuntu-beginners and when I try to join that channel it redirects to here.
[10:44] <thyriaen> adrian_1908, europe :p
[10:44] <adrian_1908> ok :p
[10:44] <onlyabyte> intern1t-error: Then you are in the right place!
[10:44] <intern1t-error>  cool. ill be hanging out for a while.
[10:46] <adrian_1908> Maybe everyone has moved on to web-based chats like Gitter and Slack, or we all ended up in some outcast network outside of Facebook & Co. without noticing.
[10:46] <adrian_1908> But enough of that.
[10:46] <intern1t-error> hmm.
[10:48] <onlyabyte> adrian_1908: I'd imagine people aren't even aware that IRC exists. I suppose all the kids these days use services such as Discord.
[10:50] <onlyabyte> adrian_1908: Oh well. Anyways, are you here for assistance?
[10:52] <intern1t-error> i kind of am
[10:52] <intern1t-error> im looking for links on getting started with ai chatbots
[10:53] <onlyabyte> Interesting :) sorry I can't help you much
[10:55] <onlyabyte> Hopefully someone can help you.
[10:55] <adrian_1908> onlyabyte: Was afk for a second. I had a question about Ubuntu's openvpn package and now clients/servers are handled via systemd units.
[10:55] <ducasse> intern1t-error: that's not really an ubuntu question, maybe alis can help you?
[10:55] <ducasse> !alis
[10:57] <intern1t-error>  cool
[10:57] <intern1t-error> im having some trouble.
[10:57] <intern1t-error> this information >> tothis.file
[10:57] <intern1t-error> is not working
[10:58] <intern1t-error> i want to cat tothis.file and see this information
[10:58] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[10:59] <Ben64> intern1t-error: explain what you're actually doing
[11:03] <intern1t-error> i figured it out
[11:14] <Leevancleef_> Can I generate a new /etc/resolv.conf if I re-enable and restart systemd-resolved?
[11:16] <Leevancleef_> I ask because I'm trying to get dnscrypt-proxy working to route DNS traffic, and it should be working, but it's not. A tip on the internet suggests removing /etc/resolv.conf after disabling systemd-resolver and I wanted to know if this was a good idea if I ever wanted to think about using systemd-resolver again
[11:30] <adrian_1908> Leevancleef_: You could simply rename it, e.g. `mv /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf.bak` and try. The file doesn't contain any active lines by default, so it should not make a difference.
[11:38] <Leevancleef_> adrian_1908: Good idea. And it was that file that made all the difference, oddly enough
[11:39] <adrian_1908> Well that's fortunate! :D
[11:50] <EriC^^> where can i find the ubuntu 16.04 md5sum? the !hashes link only gives 16.04.3
[11:50] <EriC^^> nvrmnd i think i got it
[11:51] <EriC^^> nope same, thing pressing on "xenial" also gives 16.04.3
[11:52] <EriC^^> found i here, http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/16.04.0/MD5SUMS
[11:52] <EriC^^> *it
[12:03] <BluesKaj> Leevancleef_, use your resolved.conf file for your DNS entries.they work for me, but I use a static IP and I don't use network-manager
[12:17] <mave_> is launchpad broken?
[12:21] <mistralol> hi, I updated from 17.04 -> 17.10 and it looks like zypper is broken. How can I install the previous version of libzypp?
[12:24] <Leevancleef_> BluesKaj: Thanks, but DNScrypt is its own protocol which offers end-to-end encryption for DNS queries. dnscrypt-proxy uses its own config file which works once resolved.conf gets out of the way, so I think it's designed to do it that way
[12:25] <intern1t-error> can someone help me with something very simple
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Leevancleef_, yeah encryption protocol comes with it's own problems  :/
[12:26] <intern1t-error> tty2 is well... its like an xterm window that crashed
[12:26] <intern1t-error> how do i like kill it
[12:26] <intern1t-error> or close it
[12:26] <intern1t-error> tty1 opened it on tty2 when i ran xinit i think
[12:26] <intern1t-error> then i ctrl-c from tty1 later on
[12:26] <intern1t-error> and tty2 still shows as like...
[12:26] <intern1t-error> there.
[12:27] <intern1t-error> i want it to die
[12:27] <ignacio> tatertots, just telling that the hdmi monitor started to work once I changed legacy to uefi in the bios, I know, pretty increible, and not sure why that worked :(
[12:27] <intern1t-error> can i kill a tty
[12:27] <akik> mistralol: isn't zypper a suse tool?
[12:27] <mistralol> akik: yes which I need for a chroot build enviroment
[12:28] <mistralol> and is in the ubuntu repo's
[12:28] <mistralol> but is broken in 17.10 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zypper/+bug/1726947
[12:30] <anddam> not sure where to ask such a question, my terminal started printing literal sequences, so I get a ^L  on screen when I try to clear the screen, or a literal ^A when trying to go to line start
[12:31] <anddam> I figure it's some tty setting I inadvertently enabled, can someone help me figuring out what this is?
[12:31] <anddam> I can ofc kill the window and have a new working terminal, I'm asking out of curiosity to understand what's this due to
[12:48] <alkisg> anddam: type "reset" to reset the terminal without closing it
[12:49] <alkisg> Escape characters can set it to a state where it's difficult to see what configuration is applied
[12:51] <alkisg> intern1t-error: so now tty2 is text mode or graphics mode?
[13:40] <UbuntuNoob> hi :D
[13:40] <igeni> anyone able to tell me why this doesnt start at boot http://paste.ubuntu.com/26183161/. the service is enabled,
[13:40] <igeni> i can start it manual
[13:40] <igeni> but after boot is says: Active: inactive (dead)
[13:41] <igeni> Loaded: loaded (/etc/systemd/system/emperor.uwsgi.service; enabled; vendor preset: enabled)
[13:45] <ioria> igeni, i remember a tool to debug (not really sure about that): sudo systemd-analyze verify NAME.service
[13:45] <alkisg> igeni: I'm not very familiar with systemd, but did you run systemctl enable your.service, to install the target hook?
[13:45] <igeni> its enabled
[13:45] <igeni> no errors
[13:46] <alkisg> Did you run that command?
[13:46] <igeni> yeah
[13:46] <alkisg> ok
[13:46] <igeni> sudo systemd-analyze verify emperor.uwsgi.service returns empty
[13:47] <ioria> igeni, ia'm sure that dmesg or syslog should tell you something; try to grep -i to it
[13:48] <igeni> syslog is empty, nothing in dmesg
[13:48] <UbuntuNoob> hi. can someone point me to the best driver for Radeon HD 7340, it works well but rendering seems to be very bad .. sometimes laggy. i love ubuntu and and i dont whant to switch to windows 10 but if i dont solve this graphic issue i will have to :(
[13:50] <igeni> only thing i can find , wich may be related
[13:50] <igeni> [152110.483816] audit: type=1400 audit(1513258995.196:111): apparmor="DENIED" operation="mount" info="failed type match" error=-13 profile="lxc-container-default-cgns" name="/sys/fs/cgroup/unified/" pid=4974 comm="systemd" fstype="cgroup2" srcname="cgroup" flags="rw, nosuid, nodev, noexec"
[13:51] <igeni> ah not,.
[13:51] <igeni> thats a mountn message from LXC
[13:51] <philm88> Anyone know of a way to stop UFW logging to dmesg but to continue logging to syslog? I want the UFW logs to be in /var/log/ufw.log only
[13:55] <jason85> How do I remove older kernels from my boot partition?
[13:55] <jason85> apt-get keeps adding them back, and especially the initrds are taking up all space
[13:57] <PTNapivoski> jason85, apt-get remove *older-kernel*
[14:01] <GreatEmerald> In 16.04, I'm trying to make dconf settings set globally, and I put a config file into /etc/dconf/db/test.d, which created hte test file, but how do I tell whether it worked?
[14:01] <GreatEmerald> Rather, running `dconf update` generated the file
[14:01] <GreatEmerald> But dconf-editor still shows previous values as default
[14:11] <alkisg> GreatEmerald: are you trying to do mandatory gsettings, or default gsettings?
[14:11] <alkisg> For mandatory, https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/dconf/SystemAdministrators
[14:12] <alkisg> For default gsettings, it's usually easier to just ship your own schema override file
[14:15] <cariveri> Hi. Is there a tool to generate unique directory names ?
[14:15] <UbuntuNoob> im trying to install AMD Catalyst™ 15.9 Proprietary Ubuntu 14.04 x86 Video Driver for Graphics Accelerators. but it has a conflict. Message says: Breaks existing package 'xserver-xorg-core-lts-xenial' conflict: fglrx () .. how do i remove that pls ??
[14:18] <cariveri> found it! mktemp
[14:19] <ne2k> I'm trying to do-release-upgrade from 14.10 to 16.04. I have been told it has to be done one release at a time, which is fine. so I did one iteration and now I'm on 15.04, but if I try to do it again, it says "this tool cannot upgrade from vivid to xenial". I want it to go via the intermediate one if it needs to (which I believe it does), so how do I make it try?
[14:20] <ne2k> https://askubuntu.com/questions/804411/how-to-perform-do-release-upgrade-from-15-04-to-15-10-once-16-04-was-already-rel I think I foudn the answer; trying it now
[14:21] <ne2k> nope, that doesn't work for me. do-release-upgrade -d on 15.04 says "No new release found". so my question stands
[14:24] <BluesKaj> ne2k, drop the -d
[14:24] <BluesKaj> !eol
[14:24] <ne2k> BluesKaj, that tries to go directly to 16.04 an then says it's not possible
[14:24] <BluesKaj> ne2k,^
[14:24] <BluesKaj> yup
[14:25] <BluesKaj> ne2k, read above
[14:25] <EriC^^> ne2k: what do you have in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades ?
[14:26] <ne2k> EriC^^, [DEFAULT]\nPrompt=normal (plus a load commented out stuff)
[14:26] <EriC^^> ne2k: what about /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:26] <EriC^^> !paste
[14:27] <ne2k> EriC^^, old-release/ vivid and friends (just did 14.10 to 15.04 do-release-upgrade)
[14:30] <BluesKaj> ne2k, whoa somewhat behind the cureve there
[14:30] <ne2k> BluesKaj, not sure what you mean
[14:30] <BluesKaj> unsuppoerted OS tio unsupported OS
[14:33] <ne2k> BluesKaj, I'm not following you
[14:34] <genii> !15.04
[14:34] <ne2k> seriously, people
[14:35] <EriC^^> genii: he wants to go to 15.10, it's suggesting 'xenial' cant be upgraded, Prompt=normal
[14:35] <ne2k> this is retarded. 15.04 was always able to update to 15.10 when they were both active. why should that facility disappear just because they're not being updated any more?
[14:36] <genii> Need to change the repos from archive.ubuntu.com to old-releases.ubuntu.com until you hit a supported release
[14:36] <ne2k> genii, they were already on old-releases because, believe it or not, 14.10 and 15.04 are also old releases
[14:36] <genii> ne2k: Because EOL releases get archived to old-releases.ubuntu.com
[14:36] <funyun_> hi. anyone know how i can fix this error? "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lpng16"
[14:36] <ne2k> the do-release-upgrade from 14.10 to 15.04 just worked
[14:37] <ne2k> I am currently trying just to manually change vivid to wily in apt-source and do apt dist-upgrade
[14:37] <genii> ...
[14:37] <EriC^^> ne2k: that's not recommended
[14:37] <EriC^^> ne2k: what did -d say? that's the accepted answer on google
[14:37] <ne2k> EriC^^, it's recommeded here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/63q18w/an_upgrade_from_vivid_to_xenial_is_not_supported/dn854c2/
[14:38] <EriC^^> ne2k: that's just one person, also the follow up comment says it didnt work for him
[14:38] <ne2k> EriC^^, [14:21] <ne2k> .... do-release-upgrade -d on 15.04 says "No new release found".
[14:39] <EriC^^> k
[14:39] <BluesKaj> reddit is full of wrong suggestions, don't trust it too much
[14:39] <GreatEmerald> alkisg: Thanks, it seems to work when I create /etc/dconf/profile/user with the right setting for system-db
[14:39] <alkisg> np
[14:40] <EriC^^> ne2k: oddly enough, try sudo sed -i 's/Prompt=normal/Prompt=lts/' /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[14:40] <EriC^^> maybe it'll work somehow
[14:40] <ne2k> EriC^^, why would that work? lts is only for lts->lts upgrades
[14:40] <EriC^^> ne2k: why is it not working right now?
[14:41] <ne2k> EriC^^, why is what not working?
[14:41] <EriC^^> just try it
[14:41] <BluesKaj> suggest a clean install
[14:41] <EriC^^> +1
[14:41] <funyun_> ne2k: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[14:41] <ne2k> EriC^^, I'm in the middle of doing the dist-upgrade with the wily repos
[14:41] <ne2k> funyun_, have you actually read that?
[14:42] <EriC^^> ne2k: there was a time you could jump directly to lts btw
[14:43] <alkisg> ne2k: the update-manager from 15.04 needs to be updated from old-releases before it can upgrade to 15.10
[14:43] <alkisg> (afaik)
[14:43] <alkisg> So you do need to apply the EOLUpgrades wiki page
[14:45] <ne2k> alkisg, eveyrthing in 15.04, including update-manager-core, was already up-to-date from old-releases. this makes no difference
[14:46] <funyun_> ne2k: i did what you're trying to do yesterday
[14:46] <funyun_> did you change your sources to wily?
[14:46] <ne2k> funyun_, yes
[14:46] <alkisg> ne2k: what's the output of dpkg -l ubuntu-release-upgrader-core?
[14:46] <ne2k> and I was in the middle of dist-upgrade, but I stopped it to try what someone else was saying
[14:47] <ne2k> ii  ubuntu-release 1:<IP_ADDRESS>
[14:48] <funyun_> ne2k: and you followed this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[14:48] <ne2k> alkisg, ^^
[14:48] <alkisg> ne2k: and, do-release-upgrade => no new release?
[14:48] <ne2k> alkisg, no, do-release-upgrade says "cannot go from vivid to xenial"
[14:48] <alkisg> With Prompt=lts there?
[14:48] <alkisg> Or not?
[14:49] <ne2k> alkisg, with lts, it says no new release
[14:49] <leftyfb> ne2k: future refrence, you definitely should have been able to upgrade directly from 14.04 to 16.04. Info for next time.
[14:49] <ne2k> leftyfb, I know. I wasn't on 14.04. I was on 14.10
[14:49] <leftyfb> oh, that's why
[14:49] <leftyfb> ne2k: you should really just stick with LTS releases
[14:50] <leftyfb> that doesn't help you at the moment though
[14:50] <rrittenhouse> In Ubuntu 17.10, how does one go about using conditional forwarders for certain domains?
[14:50] <ne2k> leftyfb, I KNOW. this is all due to some idiot customer who can't follow instructions installing the wrong OS on the VM they are giving to us
[14:50] <ne2k> and, because we don't want to upset them unnecessarily, I am wasting my time trying to upgrade it remotely rather than just saying "you're an eedjit, reinstall it"
[14:51] <alkisg> (04:48:34 μμ) ne2k: alkisg, no, do-release-upgrade says "cannot go from vivid to xenial" ==> what's the exact error there, to check the source code?
[14:52] <ne2k> alkisg, two secs
[14:52] <J3089TE> if I have two gpu installed, one Nvidia and One AMD. How do I tell LInux to use Nvidia one as the primary one to output to  my monitors?
[14:53] <ne2k> alkisg, http://paste.ubuntu.com/26183536/
[14:55] <alkisg> Meh that was there previously but it's removed in xenial, need to check older source :/
[14:56] <BluesKaj> J3089TE, blacklist the amd driver in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[14:57] <BluesKaj> J3089TE, and choose the nvidia gpu in the uefi/bios if possible
[14:57] <J3089TE> BluesKaj, no no.  Or is some program still reading from stdin?
[15:04] <anddam> no commands execute(d) fine
[15:04] <anddam> I've since closed the terminal, sorry
[15:04] <anddam> I got impatient
[15:04] <anddam> it's not the first time it happens, I think I hit some odd key combination from time to time
[15:05] <anddam> but I was curious if there was something that stopped control characters interpretation
[15:06] <anddam> this reminded me when I mistakenly switch the readline-based shell to vi mode rather than emacs and then try to jump words
[15:06] <anddam> (that doesn't work well)
[15:14] <ne2k> EriC^^, more evidence that what I am trying (s/vivid/wily/g; apt dist-upgrade) might work ok: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2341995&page=2&p=13568569#post13568569
[15:15] <funyun_> !EOLUpgrade | ne2k
[15:15] <ne2k> funyun_, how many times are you going to say the same thing?
[15:16] <soee> hi, how can i zip all files inside folder that in name have `-` char ?
[15:18] <nicomachus> soee: tar -cvzf /path/to/files /path/to/archive-name
[15:19] <ne2k> soee, glob *-* to match your files and pass that list to your zip creator
[15:19] <soee> yes, i used: tar -zcvf file.tar.gz *-*.png
[15:19] <soee> thanks :)
[15:43] <ne2k> vivid -> wily via dist-upgrade appears to have been successful, and now do-release-upgrade to xenial appears to be working
[15:47] <alkisg> ne2k: just out of curiosity, when you tried do-release-upgrade and it said it can't upgrade from vivid to xenial, had you already manually changed your sources.list?
[16:06] <cc243750496> 17:18 <cc243750496> 15:41 <cc243750496> Hi i found an issue with network manager,here is the main issue report https://github.com/jurobystricky/Netgear-A6210/issues/88#issuecomment-345521879        And a bug report here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1733138
[16:30] <RainMan28> Hello, I'm on Ubuntu 16.04 and I have a service which is running and lets me view log data by typing journalctl -fu service-name. How can I figure out where this logfile is actually being stored?
[16:34] <r81> RainMan28: have a look at this https://askubuntu.com/questions/864722/where-is-journalctl-data-stored
[16:37] <mitmf> i connect usb on ubuntu, then where is usb? i want to umout it
[16:39] <mitmf> help me
[16:39] <r81> mitmf: can you see it if you type "df"?
[16:41] <mitmf>   /dev/sdb1     /media/abc/B0C0-0F64  <— how can i umout it? r81 ?
[16:42] <r81> sudo umount /media/abc/B0C0-0F64
[16:42] <mitmf> sudo umount?
[16:42] <mitmf> umout or umount?
[16:42] <r81> just umount (for some reason)
[16:42] <mitmf> ok thanks
[16:44] <mitmf> r81: thanks i did it
[16:44] <mitmf> :)
[16:44] <r81> great
[16:46] <PCatinean> Hey everyone, when I start my ubuntu 16.04 wireless does not show (usb wireless adapter)
[16:46] <PCatinean> yet if I restart network-manager
[16:46] <PCatinean> it starts working, can anyone help me debug the issue?
[16:48] <Encrypto> Not sure how to word this. I'm using Ubuntu 17.10 (with unity)  - some applications dont run when I click on them, but they run fine when I run them from terminal. Since you cant right-click and change any settings, is there any other way?
[16:56] <pizzaburger> Hello! I want to install a package requiring dependencies on an offline system. Is keryx otpimal for this? Is it easy to use? Thank you!
[16:56] <Encrypto> Where Ubuntu problems come to die...RIP
[16:56]  * Encrypto cries
[16:58] <eno_> hello, please, does anyone know how to run the X server using the "vesa" driver?
[16:59] <eno_> i tried copying the xorg.conf.failsafe to xorg.conf but it still loaded the intel driver
[16:59] <howudodat> I am trying to setup a Dell XPS for dual boot windows / ubuntu with ubuntu being the primary os.  I have a 64GB ssd and a 2 TB magnetic.  I want to install ubuntu to the ssd, and spliut the 2tb drive into 2 partitions 512G for windows and 1.5T for ubuntu as a data drive.  So far so good.  I'm not sure exactly how to do the bootloader and where to boot the boot partition.  I'm supposing it should be on the magnetic drive.  I could use s
[16:59] <howudodat> ome help in creating the partitions for all this (and which order to do the installs in)
[17:00] <eno_> i am using my intel GPU for cryptomining so i wanted a driver that would use software rendering
[17:00] <eno_> such as the vesa driver which i believe does
[17:04] <EriC^^> howudodat: put / on the ssd, and /boot and the efi parition on the magnetic (if you want to use uefi)
[17:07] <GivenToCode> How can I get this to work without running syslog-ng etc: docker run ubuntu:16.04 logger -s "FOO"
[17:07] <GivenToCode> this does work in ubuntu:14.04, well, it doesn't error out
[17:08] <howudodat> EriC^^: should I partition this all out and install ubuntu first, or windows first?
[17:09] <Encrypto> howudodat: windows first then ubuntu
[17:09] <EriC^^> howudodat: is it uefi?
[17:11] <howudodat> yes it is uefi, and near as I can tell (I'm waiting for it to restart), nothing is installed on the ssd, on the magnetic drive there is a NTFS partition, a restore partition and 1.8TB partition where the OS is installed
[17:16] <eno_> help me load vesa
[17:16] <ne2k> EriC^^, manual vivd->wily dist-upgrade worked; do-release-upgrade wily->xenial also worked. now happy system
[17:22] <Encrypto> How do I change how applications run from their GUI icon? Ubuntu17.10 Unity
[17:30] <howudodat> ok, it appears that the current boot is legacy, and the boot partition is NTFS.  I can wipe it all and redo it uefi, or leave it legacy.  Any reasons to go one way or the other?
[17:36] <zuiss1> hi. when my lubuntu 17.10 screen locks due to inactivity, about 75% of the time entering my password into the dialog box and hitting OK doesn't unlock the computer. it just goes to a black screen, seems to do nothing for 5-10 seconds, then returns to the password prompt. attempting to unlock it a second time always succeeds
[17:58] <slipttees> Hi guys
[17:59] <slipttees> Wireless RT3290 device not ready on ubuntu 16.04.3 fresh install kernel 4.10
[17:59] <slipttees> please help
[18:05] <slipttees> :-(
[18:08] <oerheks> tons of posts about his rt3290, you will need to build the driver yourself, some posts point to github, but there are tons of versions there
[18:08] <oerheks> ralink does not support it official anymore
[18:15] <slipttees> Wireless RT3290 device not ready on ubuntu 16.04.3 fresh install kernel 4.10. Please help
[18:19] <oerheks> https://www.google.nl/search?q=github+RT3290 gives https://github.com/loimu/rtbth-dkms or more recent https://github.com/yutao33/rt3290
[18:24] <Petfrogg> whenever i connect to my vpn i have created i get a message after 30 seconds that there is a DNS problem
[18:25] <Petfrogg> and some pages are not possible to connect to
[18:25] <Petfrogg> anyone reccon this=
[18:25] <Petfrogg> ?
[18:27] <slipttees> oerheks: Thanks
[18:32] <soee> how can i count files in folder that conatin some string in their names?
[18:34] <ioria> soee, try   ls *string* | wc -l
[18:36] <soee> ioria: worked, thank you
[18:36] <ioria> soee, ok
[18:37] <arora> ,next
[18:37] <marijuana> prev,
[18:38] <arora> lol
[18:46] <slipttees> oerheks: install drivers... device is not ready :-(
[18:59] <slipttees> dawn... rt3290 :-(
[19:00] <slipttees> pavilion x360
[19:00] <slipttees> help guys
[19:18] <oerheks> if that pavilion x360 is uefi based, drivers need to besigned or something like that ?
[19:19] <slipttees> oerheks: install work wifi... after install stop work
[19:19] <slipttees> 'device is not ready"
[19:19] <slipttees> :-(
[19:20] <slipttees> oerheks: i do not know about need to besigned
[19:20] <slipttees> :-/
[19:21] <EriC^^> slipttees: turn the laptop off, remove the battery, hold power button for few secs and reassemble, it might help
[19:21] <slipttees> hum
[19:22] <slipttees> EriC^^: pavilion x360 have battery inside i cant remove
[19:22] <EriC^^> slipttees: try "sudo lshw -C network" and pastebin the output
[19:23] <EriC^^> !paste | slipttees
[19:24] <slipttees> EriC^^: bro... i can understand
[19:24] <slipttees> wifi work :S
[19:25] <slipttees> i try reboot and halt
[19:25] <EriC^^> isnt it that in the live usb it's working, in the install it gave device not ready?
[19:27] <slipttees> EriC^^: Yes.  But now it mysteriously worked!
[19:27] <slipttees> EriC^^: i try reboot and halt for test
[19:27] <EriC^^> great
[19:27] <EriC^^> ok
[19:28] <slipttees> EriC^^:  just boot with the default kernel 4.10.0-28. current is 4.10.0-42
[19:28] <slipttees> EriC^^: clean install and upgrade packages
[19:29] <slipttees> FN keys none work too rsrs
[19:29] <slipttees> hp is bad
[19:33] <slipttees> EriC^^: one reboot and one halt stop work! kkk
[19:33] <slipttees> 'device is not ready"
[19:37] <EriC^^> slipttees: aha, try sudo lshw -C network
[19:37] <slipttees> EriC^^: pastebin.ubuntu.com/26184781
[19:39] <slipttees> EriC^^: pastebin.ubuntu.com/26184802/
[19:41] <EriC^^> slipttees: try first, sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/DSDT | grep Windows
[19:43] <slipttees> Windows 2001 2001 SP1 2001 SP2 2006 2009 2012 2013 2015
[19:44] <EriC^^> slipttees: ok, are you using ubuntu or xubuntu etc?
[19:44] <slipttees> EriC^^: Windows 2001 2001 SP1 2001 SP2 2006 2009 2012 2013 2015
[19:44] <slipttees> EriC^^: ubuntu 16.04.3
[19:45] <EriC^^> slipttees: ok, type sudo -H gedit /etc/default/grub
[19:45] <EriC^^> in the line that says "quiet splash" make it "quiet splash acpi_osi=\"Windows 2015\""
[19:46] <slipttees> EriC^^: done
[19:46] <EriC^^> slipttees: save & exit then open a terminal and type 'sudo update-grub'
[19:47] <slipttees> EriC^^: done bro
[19:47] <EriC^^> slipttees: try rebooting
[19:48] <slipttees> rebooting...
[19:49] <slipttees> EriC^^: so?
[19:49] <EriC^^> any luck?
[19:49] <EriC^^> fn buttons working? wifi?
[19:50] <slipttees> FN keys works :D:
[19:50] <EriC^^> great
[19:50] <slipttees> wifi "device is not ready"
[19:50] <slipttees> :-(
[19:50] <EriC^^> the wifi error seems like the one i had, maybe if you let the battery drain somehow it might fix it?
[19:51] <EriC^^> remove a/c, and let it run in bios in the last 2% or so
[19:51] <slipttees> EriC^^: See dmesg erros?
[19:51] <EriC^^> yeah, those ones
[19:52] <EriC^^> it happens with me when the pc shuts off abnormally sometimes, removing the battery fixes it for me
[19:52] <slipttees> EriC^^: i try halt and remove a/c
[19:53] <EriC^^> not sure that would help but why not, who knows
[19:54] <slipttees> EriC^^:  fn keys were reversed. work without press fn kkkk
[19:55] <EriC^^> slipttees: there might be a setting in the bios to reverse that
[19:57] <slipttees> EriC^^: bios action key mode?
[19:58] <EriC^^> yeah that's probably it
[20:00] <slipttees> EriC^^: fn keys correct and wifi up again :/
[20:00] <EriC^^> so all working?
[20:01] <slipttees> EriC^^: Yes... but can stop again mauha
[20:02] <slipttees> rt2x00lib_request_firmware - Info - Loading firmware 'rt3290.bin'
[20:02] <slipttees> ' '   Firmware detected - version 0.37
[20:03] <slipttees> dmesg do not have any erros
[20:09] <slipttees> EriC^^: teste here. Thanks bro
[20:09] <EriC^^> no problem, enjoy
[20:09] <slipttees> ;-)
[20:38] <DragonKingOfArms> Hey
[20:40] <Gencade> Hey guys.  I have been asking around in other nix's chans and #idea-users, but has anyone noticed msbuild not working correctly in the rider ide for vb.net debugging and compiling?  Sorry if off-topic
[20:41] <Gencade> Had the same issue with 3 different distros
[20:42] <Gencade> Issue described here https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/RIDER-12005
[20:43] <DragonKingOfArms> I got nothing, sorry.
[20:43] <Gencade> No worries - Figured I'd ask.  Still waiting on a response back from jetbrains
[20:43] <DragonKingOfArms> Alright well, Good luck.
[20:58] <notnotdan> Hi. I have a slight problem with a kernel image. My system got updated to 4.10.0-42, but AFAIK there were some problems generating a boot image. Currently I can only boot using earlier kernels. When I tried to reconfigure the package this is what I got: https://pastebin.com/UscLfm1Q
[20:58] <notnotdan> The error says "gzip: stdout: No space left on device" at some point, but I've checked and I do have enough space on my drive
[20:59] <TJ-> notnotdan: Using a separate /boot/ file-system? "df /boot/" should show
[21:00] <notnotdan> Oh, that is true, TJ-! I haven't realized that
[21:00] <notnotdan> s the way I got it partitioned
[21:00] <notnotdan> according to df I only have 16mb left on /boot
[21:01] <TJ-> notnotdan: have you run "sudo apt autoremove" recently ?
[21:01] <notnotdan> Nope. Shall I give it a go?
[21:01] <notnotdan> I am only worried that it will get rid of an earlier kernel version and then I won't be able to boot at all
[21:01] <TJ-> notnotdan: yes, it'll remove older versions of kernels and the associated initrd.img files
[21:02] <TJ-> notnotdan: well, before you let it do it's work, check the list of kernel versions it says can be removed. You can always remove some sub-set of them manually too, but generally autoremove leaves most recent 2-3 kernel versions alone
[21:03] <notnotdan> hm, if i am reading the output of `--dry-run` it won't remove 4.10.0-40, so fingers crossed
[21:04] <TJ-> notnotdan: right, and then "sudo apt-get -f install" should fix the failed initrd.img build now there's space
[21:05] <notnotdan> apt autoremove actually autoconfigured the image as well
[21:06] <whitebeast> im running ubuntu 16.04 and i recently broke my monitor so im using an hdmi to use a tv now.. i8m having problems with the screen
[21:06] <TJ-> notnotdan: it did the clean-up itself, so you should be sorted now
[21:07] <notnotdan> just rebooted and all seems well. thanks, TJ-, you're a life saver :)
[21:07] <whitebeast> it looks like screen is too big for the tv? half of the tool bar on top and side are cut off
[21:08] <TJ-> whitebeast: That sounds like the EDID from the TV isn't correct; use "xrandr -q" to check for other modes you could try. Other than that you may need to create  custom modeline for the TV, which can be a pain to figure out
[21:09] <alkisg> whitebeast: most TVs have scan settings in their TV control, like wide, 16:9 etc, one of those usually takes care of overscan
[21:09] <alkisg> whitebeast: mention the exact TV model if you can't locate it in your remote control
[21:13] <whitebeast> thanks you guys
[21:14] <whitebeast> tj is there a spot you can point me to wherere i can learn about creating my own custom modeline
[21:18] <TJ-> whitebeast: if it's needed the best bet is to first do a web-search for "modeline" and the TV make/model
[21:19] <TJ-> whitebeast: Second, I once found that Linux would overscan but a Windows install was perfect, so I found a Windows application that reported the modeline it was using and simply copied that - it worked perfectly
[21:23] <Neo3> I'm reading pdf book about ubuntu server, have already read 78 pages and understood nothing. only got what I knew. Is it normally? Seems reading useless... :(
[21:23] <whitebeast> so i added another hardrive to my computer and it had a couple thing on it so i just used gparted to format it to fat 32. but now its not regersing anywhere on
[21:24] <Neo3> Nevertheless, I'm going to read it until end, there only 400 pages, it's on 2 - 4 days
[21:24] <Neo3> How to learn ubuntu I don't know...
[21:25] <Toffe> Hey guys, i am wondering i have a VPS where i would love to host multiple domains with a simple way of adding all
[21:25] <mDfRg> I wouldn't loose time reading that much
[21:25] <mDfRg> Just practice
[21:25] <mDfRg> No better way to learn
[21:25] <Toffe> What would you reccomand ?
[21:26] <Toffe> I currently have a setup with php-fom and nginx virtual hosts
[21:26] <Toffe> but i need to create new fpm socks pr user to make it "work"
[21:26] <Toffe> and the www-data needs to be in the group who owns the /home/user/public_html/ to access it
[21:26] <Toffe> I thought it would be an easier way :P
[21:27] <blackflow> Toffe: yes, both the fpm socket and static site files have to be somehow accessible to nginx.
[21:27] <Neo3> mDfRg: other guys suggest differ, Who say read better good linux book, I think it won't lack anyway, and will continue reading bible of linux, it's about shell scripting, Also have read one chapter and... this book more useful
[21:27] <blackflow> the question is only how. adding www-data to a user dedicated for the site is a sane solution.
[21:28] <blackflow> to a group I mean.
[21:28] <Toffe> Yeah currentliy i have nginx regexp the "request" (e.g. get $tld $domain $subdomain $request
[21:28] <Toffe> and check for /home/$domain/public_html/$subdomain/$request
[21:28] <Toffe> and serve it
[21:28] <Neo3> there much is written about history, How was created this OS. much better read than gaide about ubuntu server
[21:28] <Toffe> but are there .. some "finished" webhost service?
[21:28] <Toffe> where i can webadmin it.. login, "add new user & url for that user"
[21:29] <TJ-> Toffe: You might want to take a look at VirtualMin, it makes multiple domains easy, one user account per domain, serving out of $HOME/public_html/  and can use apache-suexec to run external processes as the domain user
[21:29] <blackflow> Toffe: well that's one way to do it, but a saner thing is to have one server{} entry per site. also as individual files under sites-enabled.d
[21:29] <mDfRg> Neo3: if you have time... Still, it's easier to read AFTER you try some things, for better understanding
[21:29] <Toffe> blackflow: yeah the thing i like about my setup is that it curerntly is dynamic
[21:30] <Toffe> adduser <username>  then make public_html/www in home folder and i get www.username.com working
[21:30] <Toffe> make public_html/test and test.username.com is working.
[21:30] <Toffe> else it redirects to www.username.com
[21:30] <Toffe> Can Virtualmin do that?
[21:30] <blackflow> Toffe: you can google for "cPanel alternatives" and see what works on ubuntu.
[21:31] <blackflow> Toffe: but that regex approach is... well... I'd really recommend you to just drop a file in sites-enabled with a server{} entry specific for it.
[21:31] <blackflow> since you already have to su(do) for useradd, just drop a file there.
[21:31] <Toffe>   server_name ~^((?<subdomain>.*)\.|)(?<user>.*?)\.(?<tld>[a-z]*)$;
[21:31] <Toffe> its kinda epic.. hehe :P
[21:31] <Neo3> mDfRg: yes, I imagined when I read if I know nothing I would get nothing. Just before reading I'd installed and customized VPS and solved many difficulties. even with this bag of knowledge I badly understand what about there written :(
[21:32] <blackflow> Toffe: and waiting to blow up in your face :)
[21:32] <Toffe> how? hackwise?
[21:32] <Neo3> better learn it's something try customize and then seen answers on google
[21:32] <Toffe> it is impossible to go backwards via some hacks :P
[21:33] <mDfRg> Neo3: Stackoverflow.com and irc for the rescue
[21:33] <Toffe> it also checks for validated domain so you cant do a random user. if /home/username/domainAttached file does not excist it denies.
[21:33] <blackflow> Toffe: convoluted and unnecessarily complex. but hey, your server :)
[21:33] <Neo3> mDfRg: Just I read that more behalf improving English, and I know now four litters DKDP, have read about it. It's something important there )))
[21:33] <Toffe> yeah i would love to get it less complex and easy to just press a button, enter username, password, mysql, domain and "done" .. :P
[21:34] <Neo3> and exists RAID as well
[21:34] <blackflow> Toffe: write a simple shell script that does that.
[21:34] <blackflow> it's really a very simple script that does it.
[21:35] <Toffe> yeah i got that now. But yeah .. fpm stuff i dont like either. and the chmodding i have up now . it is really secure and denies users entry outside of /home/USER but .. as you say complex..
[21:36] <FishPencil> I was trying to set up an OpenVPN server on a VPS and I think I broke my web server. Now I don't care about OpenVPN and just want to undo the damage
[21:36] <FishPencil> I followed this: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-set-up-an-openvpn-server-on-ubuntu-16-04 and edited /etc/ufw/before.rules to add the MASQUERADE, how do I undo that? I already removed the lines but no change
[21:37] <Neo3> DPDK*
[21:37] <Neo3> this thin for ubuntu server is very important? http://dpdk.org/
[21:43] <damian> i can't find a reference to it, how do i update the ip of 17.10? it doesn't use /etc/network/interfaces anymore does it
[21:44] <tomreyn> damian: it can. or it can use NetworkManager
[21:45] <damian> networkmanager! that's the one. by default it uses networkmanager doesn't it
[21:45] <damian> i've configured it on two systems before, but i can't find a system i've set up that uses 17.* haha
[21:45] <tomreyn> yes
[21:45] <damian> thank you very much
[21:45] <tomreyn> should be the same on 16.04
[21:46] <damian> oh really
[21:46] <tomreyn> have a look at (ls) /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/
[21:46] <damian> does NetworkManager push the changes to /etc/network/interfaces file?
[21:46] <tomreyn> no
[21:46] <tomreyn> its got its own configuration files
[21:47] <damian> yeah didn't think so, that's how i was checking if i had set it up, just by checking that file and seeing if it held a static ip for eth0
[21:47] <damian> but all of my 16.04.x have config in ther
[21:47] <tomreyn> network interfaces configured in /etc/network/interfaces take precedence over configurations of NM
[21:47] <damian> interesting
[21:48] <damian> hrmph. this new system i just set up doesn't have /etc/NetworkManager .. and changes to /etc/network/interfaces don't seem to take effect
[21:48] <tomreyn> i'm not really into 17.10, maybe NetworkManager actually works differently there than 16.04
[21:48] <acresearch> people how do i setup a virtual machine in ubuntu, all my google searches show how to do it in windows, is there a spesific program i need to install in ubuntu?
[21:48] <damian> welp, installing netowrk manager! now i have to remember ow to configure it, the online doco seems very lacking :\
[21:48] <tomreyn> damian: nmtui is a text graphics frontent for NM, if it helps.
[21:49] <damian> oh thanks!
[21:49] <tomreyn> damian: is this a desktop or a server?
[21:49] <damian> server
[21:49] <FishPencil> How do I reset my iptables to the default the server started with?
[21:49] <tomreyn> okay then nmtui and nmcli is what you want to use
[21:50] <TJ-> damian: -server is expected to use systemd-networkd, and it's configured via netplan
[21:50] <damian> yeah i didn't konw they existed, when i last did this i just did an asstonne of trial an error until i found the right owrding in the cnfig
[21:50] <damian> thanks heaps
[21:50] <tomreyn> acresearch: there are multiple options. is this a desktop or a server?
[21:50] <damian> acresearch, you need to use a virtual software .. VirtualBox might be the easiest either on GUI or CLI, but you have kvm and things like that you can use as well iirc
[21:51] <acresearch> tomreyn: desktop i want to try manjaro, so setup a VM on my ubuntu
[21:51] <TJ-> damian: see the release notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtfulAardvark/ReleaseNotes#Network_configuration
[21:51] <tomreyn> acresearch: right, virtualbox is the easiest option then
[21:51] <acresearch> VirtualBox damian tomreyn is it propreitary?
[21:52] <damian> ohhh, netplan is what i was wrestling with last time
[21:52] <tomreyn> acresearch: no. there are proprietary extnensions for it but they are optional
[21:52] <acresearch> tomreyn: sudo apt install VirtualBox?
[21:52] <tomreyn> acresearch: lower case, virtualbox, but yes
[21:53] <acresearch> tomreyn: thanks :-)
[21:53] <tomreyn> TJ-: thanks for correcting me there.
[21:53] <tomreyn> i wasnt aware netplan was a default now
[21:53] <TJ-> tomreyn: didn't realise I had :D
[21:54] <TJ-> tomreyn: takes getting used to, but makes sense. Netplan holds the initial config which can then be converted on the fly to create the correct config for whatever network management service is actually in use
[21:55] <tomreyn> it's also quite yound and could use more documentation. but i guess it had time to mature until 18.04 and that's all that matters to me.
[21:55] <tomreyn> *younG
[21:57] <TJ-> tomreyn: right, it makes sense also for the various 'cloud' orchestration services, etc., to have to only write a netplan config and have the netplan package installed in the target to have it deploy correctly. Avoids maintaining 'plugins' for every possible networking service in the orchestration layer
[21:57] <tomreyn> totally, i'm sure it's a very welcome improvement for this use case.
[21:59] <TJ-> tomreyn: I wish it'd been installed for 16.04 - I've been resisting trying to figure out the netplan config that would generate the 4xbonded+vlan systemd-networkd config on some of my servers :)
[22:03] <tomreyn> TJ-: hehe, is it complex then? i guess it may actually be easy, if you know what the available configuration options are?
[22:04] <tomreyn> but then... this is porobably the difficult part
[22:04] <TJ-> tomreyn: I suspect it's easier to go backwards from the known working systemd-networkd config to netplan yaml :)
[22:04] <tomreyn> oh :-/
[22:04] <TJ-> but having the NP yaml means it's easy to auto-deploy with the regular tooling
[22:05] <tomreyn> okay, just this isn't exactly the experience you want the average user to make
[22:05] <TJ-> I'm about to deploy Ubuntu MAAS (metal as a service) and so having NP configs ready would make bare-metal configuration significantly easier
[22:05] <tomreyn> writing in C by wirting in asm first. then converting to C
[22:06] <TJ-> tomreyn: hey! I used to write in hex codes, don't knock it :)
[22:07] <tomreyn> i'm happy with most people's hobbies and preferences, including sado masochism.
[22:08] <tomreyn> okay, i guess that went slightly off-topic
[22:08] <TJ-> that sounds like writing complex sed regular expressions actually, which I've been doing the last few days
[22:09] <tomreyn> 'congratulations'?
[22:09] <TJ-> There's a really weird/bad bug in os-prober (which GRUB2 uses) that generates fake/phantom boot menu entries is there's a kernel command-line argument surrounded in double-quotes :)
[22:10] <TJ-> so I'm reworking the responsible code, and the requirements are rather convoluted. Bug #1737604
[22:12] <tomreyn> i purge os-prober on all systems
[22:14] <TJ-> It's needed in this scenario, which is supposed to be a kernel testbed for yet another bug. Seem to be stuck in a recursive bug hunt currently.
[22:26] <howudodat> I'm having a weird problem with 17.10 running on a Dell XPS 27.  everytime I soft reboot, it never boots up all the way.  It seems to stall at a very soft purple.  then I hard reset the computer, the grub screen shows, I select "boot ubuntu" and it starts right up
[22:48] <tomreyn> howudodat: next time it stalls at the soft purple screen, try pressing escape, or if this doesn nothing, ctrl-alt-f1, and see whether you can see what is failing or where it's failing. there are also system logs at /var/log/syslog which may provide hints on what may be going wrong.
[22:49] <tomreyn> howudodat: such issues are usually system firmware bugs, you could also try upgrading the system firmware (UEFI / BIOS).
[22:59] <howudodat> tomreyn: escape doesn't do anything, ctrl-alt-f1 (or any others) to get to a terminal screen does nothing.  I'll check syslog the next time it happens
[23:03] <mosi> Is this the right place to ask about selecting an image for KVM virtualization?
[23:03] <Jordan_U> !sysrq | howudodat
[23:03] <mutante> one way to find out
[23:05] <mosi> I'm having trouble identifying the best image to use as a base for spinning up a KVM-based guest on a home server, I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction. I want a Xenial image that doesn't require hardware virtualization.
[23:06] <mosi> I downloaded an amd64 cloud image, but I'm not sure if this is the right thing. I don't plan to use cloudinit.
[23:18] <howudodat> ok, not sure what I did :(  but it's booting more reliably, now I am trying to figure out why I cant get the native screen resolution to work (2560x1440), it's coming up in 1920x1080.  This is my 2nd one of these machines.  the first one I purchased a year ago and installed gnome-ubuntu 16.04 on and it picked up the video and resolution just fine.  This one I just got, and decided to go straight to 17.10, it wont pick up the resolution
[23:18] <mosi> !kvm
[23:21] <Bashing-om> howudodat: graphic's driver ? what shows ' sudo lshw -C display ' ?
[23:22] <tsousa> Hello. i just installed the lastest release of ubuntu and compared the cpu fan speed of ubuntu with windows 10 it's way louder being the temperatyre of 33ºC
[23:24] <howudodat> Bashing-om: there are 2 displays listed GeForce GT 750M and Intel Integrated, GeForce is using nouvau driver and intel is using i915.  (This is a dell xps 2720 all in one)
[23:26] <Bashing-om> howudodat: Well, drivers are loaded - so much for that thought . Same issue present in the Xorg session of 17.10 ?
[23:26] <konrados> Hi, in ubuntu + kde I'm changing now "mouse wheel scrolls by" in settings / input devices / mouse and... it has no effect. Where should I look at?
[23:27] <howudodat> Bashing-om, not sure how to test that.
[23:27] <Bashing-om> howudodat: Be aware that nvidia has problems currently on wayland with optimus graphic's sets .
[23:28] <howudodat> yeah, I tried the nvidia and then purged it all out
[23:29] <Bashing-om> howudodat: All I can suggest at this time is to boot the Xorg session and see .
[23:30] <howudodat> Bashing-om: how can I switch back to x?
[23:31] <howudodat> nevermind I think I remembered where it's at...gdm conf
[23:32] <Bashing-om> howudodat: At the login box, the icon should give a drop down as to what session  to start .
[23:35] <tomreyn> mosi: the standard ubuntu server or desktop installation should be fine
[23:57] <rolandbeowulf> I just installed Ubuntu 17.10 and ive noticed there's this really annoying issue where the mouse sort of lags when going over icons
[23:58] <rolandbeowulf> but only when you go over it fast
[23:58] <rolandbeowulf> if i slowly move my mouse over its nice and smooth, but if i swing my mouse over it sort of pops instantly over
[23:58] <rolandbeowulf> Has anyone else had this issue?


[05:40] <mup> Bug #2047208 opened: MaaS installed image unbootable on Ampere Altra <MAAS:New> <linux (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2047208>
[05:46] <mup> Bug #2047208 changed: MaaS installed image unbootable on Ampere Altra <MAAS:New> <linux (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2047208>
[05:52] <mup> Bug #2047208 opened: MaaS installed image unbootable on Ampere Altra <MAAS:New> <linux (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2047208>
[05:55] <mup> Bug #2047208 changed: MaaS installed image unbootable on Ampere Altra <MAAS:New> <linux (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2047208>
[05:58] <mup> Bug #2047208 opened: MaaS installed image unbootable on Ampere Altra <MAAS:New> <linux (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2047208>
[10:38] <mup> Bug #2047178 changed: Cannot lock device that status is `allocated`. <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2047178>
[10:41] <mup> Bug #2047178 opened: Cannot lock device that status is `allocated`. <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2047178>
[10:44] <mup> Bug #2047178 changed: Cannot lock device that status is `allocated`. <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2047178>
[10:50] <mup> Bug #2047178 opened: Cannot lock device that status is `allocated`. <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2047178>
[10:53] <mup> Bug #2047178 changed: Cannot lock device that status is `allocated`. <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2047178>
[10:56] <mup> Bug #2047178 opened: Cannot lock device that status is `allocated`. <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2047178>
[11:02] <mup> Bug #2047178 changed: Cannot lock device that status is `allocated`. <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2047178>
[16:35] <mup> Bug #2047258 opened: 'Controllers have different installation sources' <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2047258>
[16:41] <mup> Bug #2047258 changed: 'Controllers have different installation sources' <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2047258>
[16:53] <mup> Bug #2047258 opened: 'Controllers have different installation sources' <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2047258>
[22:38] <mup> Bug #2047265 opened: Unable to deploy ESXi 8.0U2 image on MAAS 3.4/Candidate <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2047265>


[00:37] <Alcine> sanbar: o.O
[01:05] <jalcine_> Ha!
[01:20] <sanbar> jalcine_: Success?
[01:20] <jalcine> Very much so
[01:20] <sanbar> jalcine_: What it the world was going on?
[01:21] <jalcine> Trying to get AndroIRC working right.
[01:21] <sanbar> Oh.  You likeit?
[01:24] <jalcine> It's okay, just wanted mobility with IRC>
[01:24] <sanbar> Yah, I need to do that as well, I guess ...
[01:25]  * sanbar likes git tags and branches - just learned branches today
[02:42] <sanbar> shadeslayer: Happy New Years Eve!
[10:05] <shahan> My NTFS drives are not showing on my UBUNTU 11.10 desktop 32Bit. I recovered my GRUB2 as I installed Windows after installing Windows XP on my PC. The drive were shown on Ubuntu 11.10 previously.
[10:11] <hobgoblin> shahan: did you try any of the options you were given yesterday?
[10:12] <shahan> hobgoblin: Actually I was looking for the actual solution and don't  want to use any 3rd party software.
[10:12] <hobgoblin> fair enough
[10:13] <hobgoblin> if no-one here can help then I'd try #ubuntu, ubuntuforums or askubuntu
[10:13] <hobgoblin> hang about and see :)
[10:13] <shahan> hobgoblin: tnx for your suggestion.
[10:13] <hobgoblin> though to be frank I'd not call editing fstab to add these 3rd party filesystems to your linux machine :p
[10:14]  * OutOfControl thinks askubuntu already has a questopn on that
[10:15] <hobgoblin> I'd guess so - I'd look for something like automount failing
[10:15] <hobgoblin> shahan: anything that allows you to see ntfs on linux is going to be using something that's 3rd party - linux doesn't use ntfs :p
[10:22] <Silverlion> hi there, who knows whether Ebook-Readers and Kindles are able to process a (x)html <table>?
[10:23] <Silverlion> and of course, a happy new year too all of you
[10:27] <shahan> hobgoblin: but it mounts NTFS automatically. Doesnt require to install any software.
[11:35] <tony_> Can someone assist me with installing a theme?
[11:37] <tony_> anyone?
[13:28] <susah_sebut> hi all, im having problem in synchronizing my notes in ubuntu ONE. it all happened after i log in to ONE using 12.04 alpha. in 12.04 i was unable to log in using ONE control panel, only using web. after that i cant syncronize tomboy notes anymore using my 10.04 laptop and 11.10 desktop. Is there any way that i can fix this? sorry if my english is bad. especially the grammar. im kinda worried that my question might not be accurate.
[13:30] <geirha> susah_sebut: I haven't used UbuntuONE much myself, but I think #ubuntuone would be a better place to ask.
[13:32] <geirha> Your english is fine by the way. :)
[13:32] <susah_sebut> oh, thanks. im still new in irc. so dont know which channel would be best. thanks again. have a nice day
[13:34] <elfy> forthe record susah_sebut - don't worry too much about grammar -we'll ask if necessary and you're english is fine
[13:50] <hobgoblin> tony_: I'm here too
[13:51] <tony_> is this where I should be?
[13:52] <hobgoblin> yea tony_ - this is the support channel  - other one is a 'team chat' channel, you are welcome there too
[13:52] <hobgoblin> I was happy to talk in there with you - but when people start chatting it can get confusing
[13:52] <tony_> ok ... my first time on chat... not so easy to get to right place
[13:52] <hobgoblin> :)
[13:53] <hobgoblin> you did - how did you find these channels?
[13:53] <hobgoblin> and you didn't have to leave the other channel lol
[13:53] <tony_> i am trying to migrate from windows to Linux but not so simple for me but will do
[13:54] <hobgoblin> well - to start with I would dual boot until you're sure
[13:54] <tony_> i have installed 11.10 ubuntu...
[13:54] <hobgoblin> os - as far as the theme thing goes - what have you tried so far
[13:54] <tony_> my laptop is windows and desktop is ubuntu
[13:54] <hobgoblin> aah k
[13:55] <hobgoblin> as I said earlier the theme thing is mostly about not using gtk2 ones - have you tried the webupd page you got
[13:55] <tony_> I have installed ubuntu default and advanced settings
[13:56] <hobgoblin> ok - and does it help?
[13:56] <hobgoblin> I can boot the vm if necessary to look
[13:56] <tony_> very little as I want to completely change the page...
[13:57] <hobgoblin> mmm not so sure you can do that - but I stopped using ubuntu
[13:57] <tony_> what you using?
[13:57] <hobgoblin> xubuntu
[13:57] <tony_> I wanted to install mint but my system would not boot into ISO
[13:57] <hobgoblin> different desktop environment
[13:58] <hobgoblin> if it booted the ubuntu one then I'd check the md5sum and integrity of the mint disk then
[13:58] <tony_> would mint be better?
[13:59] <hobgoblin> perhaps - I personally don't like mint
[13:59] <hobgoblin> the thing is that on the whole linux is more of a personal thing
[13:59] <hobgoblin> much more choice on the whole
[14:00] <tony_> yes I have gathered... I just want a linux os that is easy for me to use and understand
[14:01] <hobgoblin> well generally under the hood they are much the same - gnome/xfce/kde are the main ones
[14:01] <hobgoblin> is you're desktop quite well specced?
[14:01] <hobgoblin> ram and cpu etc
[14:02] <tony_> no... I have a very basic unit but 8 gigs ram
[14:03] <nothingspecial> Which theme are you trying to install tony_
[14:03] <tony_> 1 min a
[14:03] <nothingspecial> Hi hobgoblin happy new year
[14:03] <hobgoblin> gtk2 in ubuntu nothingspecial
[14:03] <nothingspecial> oh
[14:03] <hobgoblin> tony_: I'd maybe have a look at kubuntu
[14:03] <nothingspecial> Or try gnome-shell
[14:04] <hobgoblin> you'll not get stuck with it when finding things on the internet that don't work becasue of version mismatches
[14:04] <nothingspecial> Some nice themes for that and you don't have to install a new desktop environment
[14:04] <hobgoblin> oh - nice to know that
[14:05] <nothingspecial> webupd8 and omgubuntu have lots of nice links to gnome-shell themes
[14:05] <nothingspecial> sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
[14:05] <nothingspecial> then log out
[14:05] <hobgoblin> perhaps if tony_ is still wanting help with that you can take over for a while nothingspecial
[14:06] <nothingspecial> sorry hobgoblin :p
[14:06] <nothingspecial> you still here tony_
[14:06] <tony_> yes
[14:06] <hobgoblin> lol - carry on - you know my gnome stance nothingspecial :D
[14:06] <tony_> I just want a better desktop.... not the hidden menus
[14:07] <hobgoblin> try kubuntu
[14:07] <hobgoblin> :)
[14:07] <hobgoblin> it's a 'bit' windowslike - sort of
[14:08] <nothingspecial> or xubuntu which is a bit like ubuntu used to be
[14:08] <hobgoblin> yea - but not quite as simple to theme :)
[14:08] <nothingspecial> but you can install extensions for gnome-shell that give you proper menus
[14:09] <nothingspecial> if you like :)
[14:09] <nothingspecial> this is linux, do whatever you want \o/
[14:09] <hobgoblin> except in unity ...
[14:09] <tony_> aha if you know how
[14:10] <tony_> I am doing my best to learn
[14:10] <nothingspecial> :)
[14:10] <hobgoblin> well tony_ windows is just the same as that - you didn't know how to do stuff there till you found out :)
[14:10]  * nothingspecial is still finding out about windows
[14:10] <tony_> correct but that is also from years
[14:10] <hobgoblin> tony_: sometimes it feels like an uphill struggle - I've been there
[14:10] <hobgoblin> yep
[14:11] <nothingspecial> haven't tried to change a theme yet
[14:11] <tony_> right now I want to setup my desktop.... anything will do right now
[14:11] <hobgoblin> tony_: if you have the bandwidth and some cd's - I would get kubuntu and xubuntu and have a look at those
[14:12] <nothingspecial> That's just what I was typing
[14:12] <nothingspecial> lol
[14:12] <hobgoblin> actually the other way to look is to download them and run them in a virtual machine
[14:12] <tony_> but that means a new os?
[14:12] <hobgoblin> you can do that from within the existing ubuntu
[14:12] <tony_> Mint/Ubuntu is suppose to be the best?
[14:12] <nothingspecial> all buntus are the same but with a different look
[14:13] <hobgoblin> it's a new desktop environment mostly tony_
[14:13] <nothingspecial> you can install kde, xfce4 and lxde and choose between them when you log in
[14:13] <nothingspecial> kde-base I think is the package
[14:14] <nothingspecial> no it's not
[14:14] <nothingspecial> wb hobgoblin
[14:14] <hobgoblin> whoops
[14:14] <nothingspecial> ha ha ha
[14:15] <hobgoblin> tony_: you can actually install one from within ubuntu then remove ubuntu
[14:16] <tony_> ?
[14:16] <tony_> kde, xfce4 and lxde?
[14:16] <nothingspecial> different looks tony_
[14:16] <tony_> so are you saying each one of these is a different look and I should re-install Ubuntu and choose?
[14:17] <nothingspecial> no
[14:17] <nothingspecial> you don't need to reinstall ubuntu
[14:18] <nothingspecial> look at this page http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/whichbuntu
[14:19] <nothingspecial> The whole site is excellent for beginners
[14:23] <tony_> thanks but I am still confused. If I dont have to re-install ubuntu to change the desktop... how do i change within Ubuntu?
[14:24] <hobgoblin> basically because it's the way it is - there is a base - then there are some other packages which make the rest up
[14:24] <hobgoblin> simplistically
[14:24] <nothingspecial> well you could install the xubuntu-desktop package or the kubuntu-desktop package
[14:24] <hobgoblin> all you are doing is adding some of the 'other' packasges
[14:25] <nothingspecial> but that will download a whole bunch of stuff you might not want
[14:25] <tony_> eish
[14:25] <nothingspecial> which is why we suggest trying live cds
[14:26] <nothingspecial> to see which you like
[14:26] <hobgoblin> tony_: or virtual machines - probably easier
[14:26] <nothingspecial> yep, those too
[14:26] <hobgoblin> then if you decide you want to use on of the others reinstall that one
[14:28] <nothingspecial> with 8 gigs of ram you could run them all at the same time :)
[14:29] <tony_> ok so where should I look?
[14:30] <nothingspecial> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[14:30] <nothingspecial> http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[14:31] <nothingspecial> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[14:31] <hobgoblin> tony_: once you've got them both - and I suggest using a torrent if you can then ping and we can help you get them going in a virtual machine
[14:31] <nothingspecial> yep, if I am around :)
[14:32] <hobgoblin> I'll likely be about - or elfy
[14:32] <tony_> thank you
[14:33] <tony_> so you say this would be a better option that Mint?
[14:34] <nothingspecial> try them all
[14:34] <tony_> I would not get mint to work
[14:35] <nothingspecial> should work if ubuntu works
[14:35] <nothingspecial> maybe a bad download
[14:35] <hobgoblin> tony_: that's probably more likely an issue with the download - hence the use torrent comment - then you know that bit is at least good
[14:36] <tony_> boots into a blank screen.... tried it on a bought CD and download
[14:36] <nothingspecial> what make is your laptop
[14:36] <tony_> desktop
[14:36] <nothingspecial> oh sorry
[14:36] <hobgoblin> graphics card make
[14:37] <tony_> none... just built in one
[14:37] <hobgoblin> but that is as far as I'll go with support for mint
[14:37] <hobgoblin> onboard card then - there is a graphics card of some sort
[14:37] <tony_> yes only built in
[14:38] <hobgoblin> and it is a ? intel - nvidia - amd ...
[14:38] <tony_> let me look
[14:39] <hobgoblin> all of which is a bit by the by - if you got ubuntu working I would expect mint to - it is in fact ubuntu with some shiny bits stuck on
[14:39] <tony_> Intel® G41 x86/MMX/SSE2
[14:45] <nothingspecial> I got to go for a bit
[14:45] <nothingspecial> cya
[14:45] <hobgoblin> cya
[14:46] <hobgoblin> tony_: I would suggest getting those iso's then running them in a vm - then decide what you want
[14:46] <hobgoblin> I can help you with the vm later
[14:46] <hobgoblin> but I've got family stuff to do for a while
[14:49] <hobgoblin> tony_: here's the link to get to the mint irc channel - might be someone can help you with that http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/12
[15:45] <shadeslayer> sanbar: Happy New year to you too :)
[16:29] <geekosopher> #ubuntu-beginners-team
[16:30] <hobgoblin> yep - we all said i
[16:40]  * coalwater says I .. doesn't know why though
[16:41] <hobgoblin> bad goblin