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[00:29] <chilts> any takers? https://twitter.com/andychilton/status/375052826524647424
[00:29] <chilts> in reference to this : http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2013/09/new-aws-command-line-interface-cli.html
[19:44] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:08] <ajmitch> morning
[20:45] <mwhudson> morning
[21:55] <chilts> morning
[22:37] <olly_> morning
[23:25] <hads> mwhudson: Sorry, I'm in Fiji this week, the weather is quite nice :)
[23:27] <mwhudson> hads: heh
[23:28] <hads> morning
[23:33] <snail> hads: don't worry, we're all on the same faultline


[00:03] <joshuahoover> achiang: is ubuntu one connected? system > preferences > ubuntu one
[00:03] <joshuahoover> achiang: if it is and songs haven't downloaded, please try going to the "devices" tab in ubuntu one preferences and click "disconnect" and then "connect"
[00:04] <joshuahoover> achiang: also, i should ask whether the files are showing on the web for you now? https://one.ubuntu.com/files
[00:04] <achiang> joshuahoover: it was not connected
[00:04] <joshuahoover> achiang: ah ok, yeah...that is VERY annoying...we need to fix that because it doesn't seem to auto-connect in the scenario you ran through
[00:04] <joshuahoover> achiang: that should start the download of files
[00:04] <achiang> joshuahoover: should be pretty reproducible. this is a relatively new install of maverick, and i haven't done anything weird
[00:05] <joshuahoover> achiang: yep, i think it happens when you setup u1 through the music store...because the client doesn't connect for you after successful setup
[00:06] <achiang> joshuahoover: seems like a pretty big UX bug to me. :-/
[00:06] <achiang> joshuahoover: do you have a LP already to track it?
[00:06] <joshuahoover> achiang: i need to check, especially since we're transitioning to banshee right now
[01:56] <karni> okey, storage management on the way. EOD. take care, everyone
[01:58] <karni> beuno: the storage management screen that I've attached looks quite.. trivial I must say. it's just missing numbers (plus, it's design-team dependant, think progress bars etc). let me ping you with the apk once storage management is done (hopefully majority by tomorrow)
[02:00]  * karni leaves
[02:07] <duanedesign> cya karni
[06:19] <heyboy> Are bookmarks stored on UbuntuOne? or are they only synced with another member computer?
[06:19] <heyboy> not on my account in ubuntuone server
[06:21] <heyboy> how do I see the stored bookmarks on the ubuntuone server in my account?
[10:57] <adorilson> hi, anybody help me? I dont run the ubuntuone-preferences
[10:58] <duanedesign> hello
[10:59] <duanedesign> if you run the command:  ubuntuone-preferences
[11:00] <duanedesign> from the terminal what do you get?
[11:00] <adorilson> yes, but It dont works. see
[11:00] <adorilson> http://pastebin.com/nTtSMiCG
[11:01] <duanedesign> ok
[11:01] <duanedesign> can you try:   u1sdtool -s
[11:01] <duanedesign> and see if you get same error
[11:03] <adorilson> duanedesign, http://pastebin.com/nTtSMiCG
[11:06] <duanedesign> that is the same pastebin :)
[11:08] <duanedesign> adorilson, do you get the same dbus error when you run the command:  u1sdtool -s
[11:09] <adorilson> I'm sorry
[11:09] <adorilson> duanedesign, this is the correct http://pastebin.com/wD1jeh6F
[11:14] <duanedesign> ok.
[11:16] <duanedesign> adorilson: are you syncing any folders other then your Ubuntu One folder?
[11:16] <adorilson> duanedesign, Yes, I do.
[11:17] <duanedesign> this seems to happen with users who have a large number of files
[11:18] <duanedesign> This happens because there is a less-than-optimal storage of metadata in versions prior to what is now in nightlies and Natty Narwhal. Basically that's bug LP:436612.
[11:19] <duanedesign> Since you have a fairly large number of files in your Ubuntu One directory I believe you would like to try the nightlies PPA. Please be aware that downgrading back to previous version is not posible
[11:19] <adorilson> duanedesign, really, I have a lot of files
[11:19] <duanedesign> i am guessing :)
[11:19] <duanedesign> adorilson: have you added some files recently?
[11:20] <adorilson> duanedesign, yes. But by another machine.
[11:21] <duanedesign> the preferences panel is failing because, I believe, it is waiting for a response from the syncdaemon. It is talking awhile to start because it is processeing a bunch of metadata
[11:21] <adorilson> Can I try this PPA at U10.10 ?
[11:21] <duanedesign> adorilson: does this command work:    u1sdtool --connect
[11:21] <duanedesign> adorilson: yes. It works much better in my opinion
[11:23] <adorilson> the --connect seems works. it echo nothing
[11:23] <duanedesign> ok. try  u1sdtool -s
[11:23] <duanedesign> you should get
[11:24] <duanedesign> is_connected:True
[11:24] <duanedesign> is_online: True
[11:24] <duanedesign> connection: With User With Network
[11:24] <adorilson> no. the both is False
[11:25] <adorilson> but connection is ok
[11:25] <duanedesign> is it still: doing  Local_Rescan
[11:26] <adorilson> I have => State: LOCAL_RESCAN
[11:26] <adorilson> is it ?
[11:26] <duanedesign> yes
[11:27] <duanedesign> adorilson: what number do you get from:   find ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon -depth -type d -empty | wc -l
[11:27] <adorilson> 810
[11:29] <duanedesign> ok. You can run this command. Might help speed up the syncdaemon starting a little:
[11:29] <duanedesign> find ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon -depth -type d -empty -delete
[11:30] <duanedesign> i would say if after a clean reboot it still is not working you might try the nightlies PPA
[11:30] <duanedesign> the commands to add that ppa are
[11:30] <duanedesign> sudo add-apt-repository: ppa:ubuntuone/nightlies
[11:30] <duanedesign> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:31] <duanedesign> I need to get the family off this morning. I will be back in less then an hour if you still have some questions
[11:32] <adorilson> I ran the command. I have reboot now?
[12:17] <adorilson> hi, duanedesign
[12:35] <duanedesign> adorilson: hello
[12:35] <duanedesign> im back :)
[12:46] <adorilson> duanedesign,  the ppa works
[12:46] <adorilson> but the ubuntuone-preferences was removed. is it ok?
[12:47] <duanedesign> oh yeah
[12:47] <duanedesign> let me see what it is called now
[12:48] <duanedesign> Ubuntu One is now found under the 'Mail Menu'
[12:48] <duanedesign> instead of the 'Me Menu'
[12:49] <duanedesign> adorilson: ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk
[12:49] <adorilson> I have a "New cloud folder avaliable" under Mail Menu
[12:50] <adorilson> but when I click  nothing happens
[12:51] <adorilson> duanedesign, $ ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk
[12:51] <adorilson> ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk: command not found
[12:51] <adorilson> I have  only ubuntuone-launch command
[12:52] <duanedesign> adorilson: how about System > Preferences > Ubuntu One
[12:54] <adorilson> This item dont exist more
[12:55] <duanedesign> ok
[12:55] <duanedesign> adorilson: run this command:   sudo apt-get install ubuntuone-control-panel
[12:58] <adorilson> duanedesign, done. and now? I dont have a  ubuntuone-control-panel command
[12:59] <duanedesign> adorilson:What about :     ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk
[12:59] <adorilson> nothing. only ubuntuone-launch
[13:05] <duanedesign> adorilson: ok, can you run:   sudo apt-get install ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk
[13:06] <duanedesign> or better:    sudo apt-get install ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk  python-ubuntuone-control-panel
[13:08] <adorilson> python-ubuntuone-control-panel was installed with ubuntuone-control-panel
[13:08] <adorilson> and this last install works
[13:10] <duanedesign> ok.
[13:10] <adorilson> I have a question
[13:10] <duanedesign> I thought ubuntuone-contril-panel that would of been called in by the other packages
[13:10] <duanedesign> now i know :)
[13:10] <duanedesign> adorilson: what is that?
[13:11] <adorilson> in this new version, in Cloud Folders aba, If a unchecked a folder the download stop?
[13:12] <adorilson> because I need more a folder than other. Do you understand?
[13:13] <duanedesign> it will finish what is already in the queue
[13:14] <duanedesign> you can use these commands to see how many items are in the queue:  u1sdtool --waiting-metadata | wc -l
[13:15] <duanedesign> u1sdtool --waiting-content | wc -l
[13:15] <adorilson> I think that a good feature the user manipulate this queue
[13:15] <duanedesign> i agree
[13:15] <duanedesign> there was talk just the other day abour that
[13:15] <duanedesign> s/abour/about
[13:16] <duanedesign> adorilson: there is a process to remove a folder you accidentally add to the queue
[13:16] <duanedesign> might work for what you want
[13:17] <duanedesign> but it does remove the folders from the cloud so you lose any progress you have made
[13:17] <duanedesign> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RomanYepishev/UbuntuOne/ClientControl#Accidentally%20added%20an%20UDF,%20how%20to%20remove%20it%20fast
[13:22] <adorilson> ok.
[13:23] <adorilson> duanedesign, in Services tab is missing Notes
[13:32] <adorilson> duanedesign, where the --delete-folder option will delete the folder ?
[13:38] <adorilson> btw,  the first 4 steps worked for me
[13:40] <duanedesign> ok
[13:41] <duanedesign> adorilson: Notes you have to do seperate from the Tomboy Applet drop down menu
[13:41] <duanedesign> adorilson: --delete-folder will delete the folder on the server. It will leave the local version unchanged
[13:42] <duanedesign> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Tutorials/Notes#Ubuntu%2010.10%20%28Maverick%29
[13:43] <duanedesign> setting up Notes^
[13:50] <adorilson> duanedesign, I'm on Cloud Folders and I'm checking a folder
[13:51] <adorilson> after a while where appears "Loading..." is changed to "Value could not be retrieved"
[13:55] <duanedesign> adorilson: what do you get from the command:   u1sdtool -s
[13:58] <adorilson> State: QUEUE_MANAGER
[13:58] <adorilson>     connection: With User With Network
[13:58] <adorilson>     description: processing the commands pool
[13:58] <adorilson>     is_connected: True
[13:58] <adorilson>     is_error: False
[13:58] <adorilson>     is_online: True
[13:58] <adorilson>     queues: WORKING
[14:24] <ikt> the website is down?
[14:25] <adorilson> ikt, https://one.ubuntu.com/ is in Temporary maintenance
[14:26] <ikt> yeah
[14:26] <ikt> how long is temporary?
[14:26] <duanedesign> hello
[14:26] <duanedesign> ahh
[14:26] <adorilson> I don't know. I'm a simple user ;)
[14:27] <duanedesign> let me see If i can find out
[14:27] <ikt> :>
[14:27] <ikt> twitter is also dead :/
[14:45] <karni> good day everyone!
[14:48] <duanedesign> hey karni !
[14:49] <duanedesign> karni: do you know anything about the website being down?
[14:50] <karni> duanedesign: oh, no :< I was out of town for few hours
[14:53] <karni> whoa. twitter is down as well, indeed.
[15:25] <beuno> hi guys
[15:25] <beuno> we're looking into it
[15:26] <karni> hi beuno. cool. the service itself works fine.
[16:01]  * duanedesign waves at beuno
[16:06] <beuno> heya duanedesign
[16:06] <beuno> still trying to get ahold of a sysadmin
[16:06] <beuno> they had a sprint they're all flying home atm!
[16:07] <duanedesign> :P
[16:07] <duanedesign> beuno: what have you been working on recently
[16:07] <duanedesign> ?
[16:07] <duanedesign> oops. Question lostits question mark
[16:24] <beuno> duanedesign, I've been giving lots of love to the contacts web ui
[16:26] <beuno> hope to see that bubble up to production within the next week or two
[16:33] <karni> beuno: (read only if you're not too busy fixing the web site) initially I wanted to remove the sync option from Options Menu if auto-sync is on. but if it's set to every 3 hours, sometimes the user might want to 'poke' the SD to sync *right now*. aquarius would say "hide it if you can". but shouldn't this be available somewhere in the UI eventually?
[16:34] <duanedesign> beuno: nice. I was uding that just the other day to combine contacts. Nice feature
[16:39] <duanedesign> beuno: one thing i noticed, FWIW, is that after you combine a contact it goes back to the main contact page. It would be nice if after you combined two contacts you stayed on the combine contacts page so you could do more if necessary.
[16:47] <beuno> duanedesign, yeap, we'll have all those workflows sorted out within the next month or two
[16:47] <beuno> contacts is going to rock
[16:48] <beuno> karni, let me continue chasing sysadmins and I'll re-read that while actually paying attention  :)
[16:48] <karni> beuno: sure! I'm continuing my work with storage manatement, we'll talk later.
[16:52] <duanedesign> beuno: awesome.
[17:01] <beuno> karni, yeah, maybe when you tap the menu button?
[17:01] <beuno> one of the options is sync now?
[17:03] <karni> beuno: indeed. I hid the option when periodic (auto) sync is on. but now I don't think it's a good idea. on the other hand, it may suggest the user needs to tap this every time he wants to sync. I just want for the user to be clear what it does.
[17:03] <karni> beuno: I'll leave it for now in the menu.
[17:07] <beuno> right
[17:07] <beuno> maybe we can find a better name for it
[17:09] <karni> It's cosmetics. Let's not worry about it. I'm wrapping up some code and the only part missing will be 'deselecting synced items'
[17:09] <beuno> awesome!
[17:56] <gtriderxc> HI
[17:56] <gtriderxc> can anyone help me to translate a string?
[17:56] <gtriderxc> "There is no Ubuntu One pairing record."
[17:57] <gtriderxc> I'd love 2 know what a pairing record is
[18:02] <duanedesign> hello
[18:03] <duanedesign> gtriderxc: it is talking about your Couch databases. Like your contacts
[18:03] <gtriderxc> i'm wondering...
[18:04] <gtriderxc> how should I translate pairing record into polish so that somebody knew what's all about
[18:06] <rye> gtriderxc, pairing record is a record in local couchdb database which provides the info about what credentials should be used to replicate the data from local machine to remote one
[18:06] <duanedesign> the pairing....d'oh, too slow
[18:06] <duanedesign> :)
[18:08] <karni> let me think ;)
[18:08] <duanedesign> rye: are you using nvidia proprietary drivers or noveau?
[18:09] <karni> gtriderxc: "Brak wpisu parującego z Ubuntu One" ?
[18:09] <gtriderxc> qrde dzięki:)
[18:09] <karni> perhaps that still not very clear..
[18:09] <gtriderxc> zaraz wkleję w lauchpada:)
[18:09] <karni> okey!
[18:09] <rye> gtriderxc, e.g. <Document '6d8a9b53847944788c1b880c17ccd4bd'@'49-a02ad5319a7c19801b64ee7ecb4953bb' {'push_to_server': True, 'ctime': '2010-10-11 14:31', 'record_type': 'http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktopcouch/paired_server', 'service_name': 'ubuntuone', 'pairing_identifier': '138ca0f9-7f93-4964-9ba6-39968eb1aecf', 'excluded_names': ['gwibber_messages', 'bookmarks'], 'pull_from_server': True}>
[18:09] <gtriderxc> jednego stringu mi brakuje i będzie tlumaczenie zamkniete
[18:10] <karni> gtriderxc: perhaps you shouldn't write more in polish here ;)
[18:10] <karni> let's talk on PM
[18:10] <karni> *priv
[18:10] <karni> rye: thanks!
[18:11] <karni> gtriderxc: actually.. I think the one I suggested is fine.
[18:13] <gtriderxc> just a second...
[18:15] <karni> gtriderxc: PM me if you need any more translations :)
[18:17] <gtriderxc> karni: You just became a hero of the last action;)https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/ubuntuone-control-panel/+pots/ubuntuone-control-panel/pl/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=paruj%C4%85cego
[18:17] <karni> gtriderxc: oh, natty! cool hahah :)
[18:18] <karni> I hope other translators will agree with our string.
[18:18] <gtriderxc> actually
[18:18] <gtriderxc> I'm almost the only one
[18:18] <gtriderxc> almost the only few
[18:18] <karni> oh.. how is this possible. how much do you guys have left?
[18:19] <gtriderxc> hard 2 say
[18:19] <gtriderxc> as i see there are about 3-4 people with rewievers rights
[18:20] <gtriderxc> there is a few guys who give suggestions
[18:20] <karni> 19 members. right..
[18:20] <karni> good luck then!
[18:20] <karni> I'd help, but I'm a little preoccupied with work I must say.
[18:21] <gtriderxc> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+lang/pl
[18:21] <gtriderxc> doesn't look like 19:)
[18:21] <gtriderxc> but we are able to cover the most important strings
[18:21] <karni> holly molly.. good work man. I was looking at https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-l10n-pl
[18:23] <gtriderxc> i must admin that sometimes it is better to do the job in 3 people team than in 19 where everyone has his own visions
[18:23] <gtriderxc> *admit
[18:23] <gtriderxc> what is this channel for?
[18:24] <gtriderxc> are You Ubuntu One developer or something?
[18:24] <karni> gtriderxc: Ubuntu One ;) and everything related
[18:24] <gtriderxc> cool
[18:24] <karni> I'm coding U1 for Android
[18:25] <karni> If you have any webUI / Ubuntu One / CouchDB related questions, that's a good place to start.
[18:25] <karni> I mean.. FAQs are good place to start, but you know what I mean.
[18:25] <gtriderxc> yes
[18:26] <gtriderxc> ok, i'm going back to Launchpad
[18:26] <gtriderxc> thanx 4 help once again i do nastepnego razu
[18:28] <karni> hehe 3m sie :) no problem
[19:41] <duanedesign> rye: did you do any work on an program that stores IRC logs in couch?
[19:41] <duanedesign> I am trying to remember who I talked to about that
[19:41] <karni> duanedesign: yes, I read that on his blog
[19:44] <rye> duanedesign, having understood that it contains less info than the overhead I stopped doing that
[19:44] <duanedesign> hmm, ok
[19:45] <duanedesign> I am looking through my folder of unfinished projects. I had started a program that stores irssi logs in couch. Needs a GUI to view the logs though
[20:43] <karni> duanedesign: how's that better than holding irssi logs folder in ~/Ubuntu One (.. perhaps apart from constant file updates)
[20:43] <karni> duanedesign: I like holding logs in plaintext, but I can imagine having them in a nice browsable manner might be comfortable. I settle with text files though :)
[20:46] <duanedesign> karni: makes sense. At the end of the day you would end up with something that would be only slightly more useful then viewing your plaintext file in Gedit
[20:46] <duanedesign> as far as searching and viewing
[20:47] <duanedesign> i was thinking being able to look for messages by username, channel, keyword would be cool
[20:48] <karni> You could say, "but hey, this replicates between your coudh db's" -- I access my logs via ssh.
[20:48] <karni> duanedesign: ah, true. however, grep does the work (for us, terminal-inclined ppl)
[20:48] <duanedesign> karni: yeah me too and I dislike having to view them in vim or emacs
[20:48] <karni> duanedesign: I don't want to decease your motivation. Your idea is still nice.
[20:49] <karni> duanedesign: you can always use less
[20:49]  * karni chuckles ;)
[20:49] <karni> *less as in terminal command
[20:49] <karni> hahahah that was supposed to be *decrease* not decease
[20:50] <duanedesign> lol
[20:50]  * karni facepalms
[20:51] <duanedesign> karni: do you know python at all?
[20:51] <karni> duanedesign: what can I say. I've read enough to start coding in it. I've based my last 2 months of work on huge part of SD. so python. but no, not really.
[20:52] <karni> Python is lovely. I love dynamic typing. Java compared to Python is a disaster. syntactically.
[20:53] <duanedesign> http://paste.ubuntu.com/572791/
[20:53] <duanedesign> do you know what @defer.inlineCallbacks   that is called
[20:54] <karni> yes I know :D
[20:54] <karni> duanedesign: rougly, it means that if you have a yield keyword somewhere
[20:54] <karni> duanedesign: Python will inline a Deferred for you there
[20:55] <duanedesign> cool, thank you.
[20:55] <karni> duanedesign: if I'm not wrong (and that may not be the case), such inlined yield also waits for the result, but let me check
[20:56] <karni> duanedesign: that should give you some start: https://confluence.oceanobservatories.org/display/CIDev/Gotchas+with+inlineCallbacks,+yield+and+returnValue
[20:57] <karni> duanedesign: right. I mixed it up again. the thing is, it works like a python generator
[20:57] <karni> duanedesign: it doesnt block the reactor, but when the result is ready, it is resumed from that place where there result has been returned
[21:00] <duanedesign> thank you.
[21:01] <karni> you are welcome
[21:03] <karni> duanedesign: you know what Deferreds are, right?
[21:13] <duanedesign> karni: sorry had some PM's to read
[21:15] <duanedesign> karni: not really
[21:22] <karni> duanedesign: it's a way to chain actions after a result that you're expecting. deferred is a promise that there will be a result (or failure)
[21:23] <karni> duanedesign: so, for example, you make a http request, and chain some processing after that, and it's non-blocking.
[21:23] <karni> so your program continues. once the result is there, the request will be processed and anything else you have chained (you can chain failure handling as well)
[21:24] <karni> gotta grab some food, bbiab
[21:24] <duanedesign> nom oom om
[21:24] <duanedesign> :)
[21:32] <karni> argh.. that was fastnom nom. now is fast dog walk.
[21:53] <karni> aaaand back to work! :)
[21:53] <duanedesign> :)
[21:55] <karni> duanedesign: how's your web'dev going :)?
[21:56] <duanedesign> good. I got some neat PHP i am working on
[21:56] <duanedesign> i will have to show you when i get all the bugs out :)
[21:56] <duanedesign> i am getting close
[21:57] <duanedesign> karni: can i trouble you with another question?
[21:57] <karni> duanedesign: sure, fire at will
[21:57] <duanedesign> a staticmethod
[21:57] <karni> duanedesign: definitely, I'd love to see it
[21:58] <duanedesign> i have some code and it has a staticmethod decorator
[21:58] <karni> I see. I'd assume what it means form other languages and it's quite probable, but since it's Python it can be a while guess. Have you seen static methods in other lanugages?
[21:58] <karni> *languages
[21:59] <karni> To invoke a static method, you don't need to instantiate the class (no need to have an object of such class), the class itself is sufficient.
[21:59] <duanedesign> the python doc mentions they exist in Java
[21:59] <karni> a right :) that's it then
[22:00] <karni> for example, a dog can bark or eat. but you can call Dog.getPopulationCount() (Dog is a class name)
[22:00] <karni> to get the number of dogs in the world. quite stupid example, but you get the point. getPopulationCount in this case is a static method
[22:01] <karni> you don't need a Dog object Fluffy do ask for population count. you just ask the Dog class.
[22:01] <duanedesign> aha
[22:01] <karni> quite often utiliti methods, or those which only calculate things and don't need to access member fields of objects, are declared static.
[22:01] <karni> *utility methods. sorry.
[22:03] <duanedesign> good stuff, thank you
[22:04] <duanedesign> making it a point to learn all the little bits of python I have not learned yet
[22:04] <duanedesign> you end up in your 'comfort zone' and only use those tools
[22:06] <karni> true :)
[22:55] <kklimonda> ah, the python vs. java discussion and I've missed it? damn
[22:56] <kklimonda> good evening :)
[22:56] <karni> hi kklimonda
[22:57] <karni> I'm seriously wondering if UbuntuOneFilesUncaughtExceptionHandler is too long for a class name ;d
[22:57] <karni> since the second 3-word part is already generic class name.
[22:57] <kklimonda> there is no such thing like a too long name in Java ;)
[22:58] <karni> ;)
[22:58] <kklimonda> but yeah, it does look like the first part is pretty generic
[22:58] <karni> no, the second one is :) it's from Thread.UncaughtExceptionHandler
[22:58] <karni> and since it's app wide.. nvm, I'll name it UncaughtHandler hyh
[22:59] <kklimonda> UncaughtExceptionHandler would be nicer
[23:00] <karni> huh, yea it's fine :) private class UncaughtExceptionHandler implements Thread.UncaughtExceptionHandler
[23:06] <kklimonda> karni: any idea how is the drm in android 3.0 implemented?
[23:07] <kklimonda> karni: as some kind of propietary module, hardware extention or what?
[23:07] <karni> kklimonda: no, but I love what they're doing with 3.0 :)
[23:07] <karni> kklimonda: right. I'm not sure how DRM is implemented, sorry.
[23:07] <karni> kklimonda: if it's software based, I can imagine it wouldn't last long ;)
[23:08] <kklimonda> right, hence I'm wondering
[23:08] <karni> so it's definitely hardware module, probably proprietary.
[23:08] <karni> I'm just guessing, though.
[23:13] <kklimonda> it makes sense
[23:13] <kklimonda> up till now the only linux-powered devices that dealt with DRM (from content providers) were based on hardware drm chips
[23:14] <karni> so I've read


[15:42] <dupondje> mlankhorst: when xfreerdp is doing some screen updates, xorg goes to 100% cpu :s
[15:42] <dupondje> really strange
[15:52] <mlankhorst> ah :/
[15:58] <dupondje> downgraded xserver to 2:<IP_ADDRESS>1-1ubuntu4
[15:58] <dupondje> and its perfect again
[15:58] <dupondje> xserver-common xserver-xephyr and xserver-xorg-core that is
[15:59] <dupondje> upgrading to 2:1.17.1-0ubuntu1 breaks it again
[15:59] <dupondje> so must be somewhere in between those versions
[16:21] <dupondje> is there some (easy) way to bisect/debug?
[16:29] <dupondje> mlankhorst: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1432384
[16:31] <mlankhorst> dupondje: apport-collect for that bug
[16:34] <dupondje> done
[16:42] <dupondje> ok found the problem
[16:43] <dupondje>  version.xserver-xorg-video-intel: xserver-xorg-video-intel N/A
[16:43] <dupondje> made me think
[16:43] <dupondje> :)
[16:45] <tjaalton> how did you manage to do that then
[16:46] <dupondje> I have no idea, checking my dpkg.log's
[16:46] <tjaalton> some ppa's enabled?
[16:47] <dupondje> got removed when playing around in september ...
[16:47] <dupondje> wtf
[16:48] <dupondje> but strange xorg-server upgrade triggers this?
[16:50] <tjaalton> you dind't have video-all installed?
[16:50] <tjaalton> still shouldn't be possible
[16:50] <tjaalton> that it gets removed instead of updated
[16:50] <tjaalton> the log will tell
[16:54] <dupondje> video-all was not installed nope
[16:54] <mlankhorst> modesetting was removed but I removed all dependencies on it
[16:56] <dupondje> seems like nothing else has a depends on xorg-server-video-all
[17:10] <tjaalton> apt-get --fix-policy install
[17:10] <tjaalton> so video-all got deinstalled earlier, and this upgrade then broke
[17:11] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: apt-get -f ?
[17:11] <tjaalton> no need for -f
[17:12] <tjaalton> at least it works without here
[17:13] <mlankhorst> ah I'm still on trusty, didn't see a fix-policy there in the manpage..
[17:14] <mlankhorst> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=578020 it seems..
[17:14] <tjaalton> --fix-policy is old
[17:14] <tjaalton> yeah
[17:16] <mlankhorst> ah so it's like fix-broken for recommends :p
[17:18] <tjaalton> yeah
[17:18] <tjaalton> hmm echo
[17:41] <furkan> mlankhorst: is there a way to run xorg 1.17 on trusty?
[17:41] <mlankhorst> not yet
[17:41] <mlankhorst> I'll create a lts-vivid in x-staging soon
[17:42] <furkan> ah nice, thanks!


[13:31] <TomyWork> I hope this is the right place for this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1923670 I can confirm that this issue is present in bionic (linux-modules-5.4.0-72-generic_5.4.0-72.80~18.04.1_amd64) as well and can be fixed by making the same change. I reverted and rebuilt cifs.ko locally, and I can now use DFS again. I would guess this affects groovy in addition to bionic.
[14:04] <TomyWork> the issue isn't assigned to bionic and I looked through the branches and it's not fixed there either. I don't think anyone is on this issue yet. DFS is kinda important these days :)
[14:06] <TomyWork> s#through the branches #through what I think are the relevant branches on https://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ubuntu/ubuntu-bionic.git/refs/ #


[09:19] <rmg51> Morning
[12:09] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[14:27] <ChinnoDog> morning


[00:45] <ChinnoDog> waltman: I never got sick of them. Me and my roomies would always grab a handful as we walked by. I refilled it when it ran low.
[06:09] <ChinnoDog> My laptop survived fan transplant \o/
[06:11] <ChinnoDog> I am still going to going to let it sleep tonight though so it doesn't burst into flames in the night.
[07:57] <InHisName> Morning
[07:57] <InHisName> Oooo, flaming laptops ?
[10:32] <rmg51> Morning
[13:12] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[16:01] <ChinnoDog> InHisName: on the chance the the laptop fan stopped working or it shorted out or something I didn't want a rude awakening
[16:01] <ChinnoDog> Plus the silicone goo hadn't set. idk how long that takes.


[16:13] <Daviey> tgm4883: hey... infinity is asking about release mgmt of mythbuntu.
[16:13] <Daviey> are you or superm1 the best person to talk to?


[03:24] <crimsun> I think the new xserver-xorg-core needs to Replaces/Conflicts each individual xserver-xorg-driver-
[03:37] <rodarvus> crimsun, coincidently I'm working on that *right now*
[03:37] <rodarvus> actually, not Replaces/Conflicts, but Breaks:
[03:38] <rodarvus> crimsun, xorg already does the job of Replaces/Conflicts for all xserver-xorg-driver-* packages.
[03:38] <crimsun> ah, ok.
[03:39] <crimsun> right, Breaks is more appropriate per Ian's e-mail.
[03:39] <crimsun> thanks much :)
[03:42] <rodarvus> np


[10:21] <nikolam> I have a problem that transmission-gtk does not honor maximum number of IP connections. It quickly eats all 2000 connections that the wireless router giver for NAT and then all internet traffic halts, icluding torrents
[10:27] <tomreyn> according to https://github.com/transmission/transmission/wiki/Editing-Configuration-Files the default "peer-limit-global" is 240.
[10:27] <tomreyn> (and 60 per torrent)
[10:27] <nikolam> yes, but it does not honors it.
[10:28] <nikolam> I have a dd-wrt router serving local network and I can show on it's information how number of connections grows forever
[10:28] <tomreyn> hmm, maybe check with folks in #transmission. and look for a bug, or file one, against ubuntu
[10:28] <nikolam> someone responded having same version on Debian and not doing same thing.
[10:30] <tomreyn> where did you set peer-limit-global? is this editable on the GUI?
[10:30] <nikolam> yes, it's available in transmission-gtk GUI
[10:31] <tomreyn> i see. maybe you can check whether it's actusally written to the configuration files. there should be $HOME/.config/transmission-daemon and $HOME/.config/transmission and i assume this setting needs to be configured in the daemon configuration file.
[10:32] <tomreyn> (but i'm not certain on that)
[10:32] <tomreyn> (so check both)
[10:32] <tomreyn> you'd also need to restart the component (client or daemon) which you reconfigured.
[10:34] <tomreyn> see also https://github.com/transmission/transmission/wiki/Configuration-Files and https://github.com/transmission/transmission/wiki/Editing-Configuration-Files
[10:35] <nikolam> there's /home/username/.config/transmission and there is "peer-limit-global": 500 in it, I have previously set it to like 350 or so
[10:35] <nikolam> it is gui app I don't think it uses daemon
[10:37] <tomreyn> you seem to be right there - apparently you either use the gtk application or the daemon, not both.
[10:37] <tomreyn> i'm not too much into transmission
[10:39] <tomreyn> so /home/username/.config/transmission should be the configuration file for the gtk / gui application. which is read and applied (only) when the application starts.
[10:40] <tomreyn> i.e. be sure to restart it after making changes
[10:41] <nikolam> it restarts but making many connections, more then limit.
[10:42] <tomreyn> i'm afraid i told you all that i know / could quickly grasp
[10:43] <nikolam> yes, got to digg deeper, maybe recompile it or reset settings or see what it depends on
[11:22] <nikolam_> same happens with defautl settings for transmission-gtk. will keep looking
[13:27] <RonaldsMazitis> so I downloaded thunar source code in order to look how could I add some icon besides "go to home folder" icon
[13:27] <RonaldsMazitis> it turns out, text "go to home folder" does not exist in source code
[13:27] <RonaldsMazitis> https://askubuntu.com/questions/337225/how-to-remove-a-default-action-in-thunar
[13:29] <RonaldsMazitis> well, if You remove one of array elements that said "delete" You can remove "delete" item from right click on file
[13:30] <RonaldsMazitis> it turns out, in open source code, You can't really even understand or edit the code, cause there are almost zero documentation on how to edit the code to add some feature
[13:31] <brainwash> you probably have to invest more time
[13:32] <RonaldsMazitis> I grep the whole source code
[13:32] <brainwash> let me try to find it
[13:33] <RonaldsMazitis> and there is no references on actual menu items
[13:34] <brainwash> https://git.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/tree/thunar/thunar-window.c#n377
[13:34] <RonaldsMazitis> for example, "find in this folder" is not mentioned nowhere in code, but it appears when You compile
[13:34] <brainwash> "find in this folder" is a custom action
[13:35] <RonaldsMazitis> and it's not in thunar-window.c
[13:35] <RonaldsMazitis> it's nowhere
[13:36] <brainwash> again
[13:36] <brainwash> this https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/custom-actions
[13:37] <brainwash> custom actions are added by distributions
[13:37] <brainwash> or the user
[13:38] <brainwash> https://git.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/tree/plugins/thunar-uca/uca.xml.in
[13:39] <brainwash> only the "Open Terminal Here" one provided by thunar
[13:39] <brainwash> is provided
[13:41] <RonaldsMazitis> ok
[13:42] <RonaldsMazitis> but what about "go to home folder
[13:42] <RonaldsMazitis> it does not exist
[13:42] <brainwash> well
[13:42] <brainwash> I already linked it
[13:42] <brainwash> https://git.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/tree/thunar/thunar-window.c#n377
[13:43] <RonaldsMazitis> where do You see open home folder there
[13:43] <RonaldsMazitis> the label is not there
[13:43] <brainwash> line 377
[13:44] <RonaldsMazitis> but that's not what written on label
[13:45] <brainwash> the label?
[13:45] <RonaldsMazitis> it appears when You put your mouse on home icon
[13:45] <brainwash> "Go to the home folder"
[13:46] <RonaldsMazitis> yeah
[13:46] <brainwash> then I don't understand
[13:46] <brainwash> line 377 contains that exact string
[13:46] <brainwash> { "open-home", "go-home-symbolic", N_ ("_Home"), "<alt>Home", N_ ("Go to the home folder"), G_CALLBACK (thunar_window_action_open_home), },
[13:46] <RonaldsMazitis> grep does not show it
[13:47] <RonaldsMazitis> ah
[13:47] <RonaldsMazitis> sorry
[13:48] <RonaldsMazitis> forget the
[14:18] <xubuntu34i> Hello! )
[14:19] <xubuntu34i> I love linux! And you?
[14:55] <RonaldsMazitis> static GtkActionEntry action_entries[] =
[14:55] <RonaldsMazitis> it's impossble to say what this method does
[14:56] <RonaldsMazitis> or where it is used
[14:56] <RonaldsMazitis> I mean array
[14:56] <RonaldsMazitis> C code does not make sense
[14:57] <RonaldsMazitis> action_entries is not used in any other code
[14:58] <RonaldsMazitis> there should be loop that draws buttons and takes array values, but there is not anything
[14:58] <RonaldsMazitis> all hail linux and open source, so open
[15:00] <brainwash> I think the problem is you
[15:01] <brainwash> maybe a lack of skill, maybe a lack of patience
[15:01] <lighterowl> RonaldsMazitis: there is no thing as "method" defined in C, or even C++ for that matter.
[15:01] <RonaldsMazitis> oh ok
[15:01] <lighterowl> and GtkActionEntry sounds like a struct/functor/function pointer to something that should be executed when an action is made by the user.
[15:02] <lighterowl> if open source code bothers you, I'll gladly refer you to my own company, where we maintain 30-year old C code.
[15:02] <lighterowl> s/my own company/company where I happen to work/
[15:02] <brainwash> the thunar code is probably only half that old :D
[15:03] <lighterowl> :)
[15:03] <brainwash> RonaldsMazitis: there are other file managers too. find the one which is easier to modify.
[15:03] <RonaldsMazitis> GtkActionEntry is nowhere mentioned
[15:03] <RonaldsMazitis> in the whole code base
[15:04] <brainwash> really?
[15:04] <brainwash> is your grep binary broken?
[15:04] <RonaldsMazitis> it's in several files
[15:05] <RonaldsMazitis> but it's always just for an array
[15:05] <lighterowl> RonaldsMazitis: https://api.gtkd.org/gtk.c.types.GtkActionEntry.html
[15:05] <lighterowl> oh look, I wasn't that wrong in my conjecture after all.
[15:05] <brainwash> and the array is not used anywhere?
[15:06] <RonaldsMazitis> I search for array and it's only in same line with gtkactionentry
[15:06] <RonaldsMazitis> that's not really helpfull
[15:06] <lighterowl> huh
[15:06] <lighterowl> um
[15:06] <lighterowl> I don't even
[15:06] <lighterowl> nevermind
[15:07] <RonaldsMazitis> static const GtkActionEntry action_entries[] =
[15:07] <lighterowl> yeah. so action_entries should be used somewhere in the same file, otherwise this is just an unused variable.
[15:07] <brainwash> it is used somewhere
[15:08] <brainwash> how else would thunar work?
[15:08] <lighterowl> did you just confuse the type and the name of a variable? because I really feel like I'm missing something.
[15:08] <RonaldsMazitis>   gtk_action_group_add_actions (window->action_group, action_entries, G_N_ELEMENTS (action_entries), GTK_WIDGET (window));
[15:08] <RonaldsMazitis> oh yeah this explains everything
[15:08] <brainwash> there you go
[15:08] <lighterowl> ...
[15:09] <brainwash> this is getting pretty silly though
[15:09] <brainwash> is this the first time you try to edit source code?
[15:10] <lighterowl> sounds like it.
[15:12] <RonaldsMazitis> gtk_action_group_add_actions
[15:12] <lighterowl> I'm really enjoying this.
[15:13] <RonaldsMazitis> I'm going down the rabbit hole with this
[15:13] <RonaldsMazitis> how many functions later there is function that draws things or do something other than sending more parameters in
[15:14] <brainwash> I warned you about thunar
[15:14] <brainwash> it is quite complex
[15:15] <lighterowl> RonaldsMazitis: are you really just doing all that to add a custom action to the folder's context menu? because that is ... you know, already working and customisable?
[15:16] <RonaldsMazitis> not the context menu
[15:16] <lighterowl> oh.
[15:16] <RonaldsMazitis> I want to icon besides home button
[15:16] <RonaldsMazitis> and next and back button
[15:16] <brainwash> but what exactly is the problem now?
[15:17] <brainwash> you have the xml file, you have the actions array
[15:18] <RonaldsMazitis> thunar-windows-ui.xml
[15:18] <RonaldsMazitis> window*
[15:18] <brainwash> a callback function for your command is missing, right?
[15:19] <RonaldsMazitis> yea
[15:19] <brainwash> something like this https://git.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/tree/thunar/thunar-window.c#n2953
[15:20] <lighterowl> lgtm
[15:34] <RonaldsMazitis> might be help full to know which variable hold the location
[15:34] <RonaldsMazitis> the file manager is into
[15:36] <brainwash> thunar_window_get_current_directory()
[15:36] <brainwash> or
[15:36] <brainwash> window->current_directory
[15:36] <lighterowl> RonaldsMazitis: here's something to get you started - http://paste.debian.net/1131539/
[15:37] <lighterowl> now it's all up to you to implement execute_ronalds_custom_action() to actually do what you want.
[15:37] <RonaldsMazitis> lighterowl I did this
[15:37] <lighterowl> oh, ok.
[15:40] <RonaldsMazitis> 	system("/usr/bin/catfish");
[15:40] <RonaldsMazitis> but I might like to add parameter of currect location
[15:40] <lighterowl> oh my
[15:40] <RonaldsMazitis> D:
[15:40] <RonaldsMazitis> :D
[15:41] <lighterowl> let's sprintf into a buffer that's then passed to system() and ignore stupid stuff like spaces in paths.
[15:41] <RonaldsMazitis> don't judge me, I did really basic C stuff 5 years ago
[15:41] <lighterowl> oh, ok.
[15:41] <RonaldsMazitis> pardon me, buffer?
[15:41] <RonaldsMazitis> :D
[15:46] <RonaldsMazitis>   current_directory = thunar_navigator_get_current_directory (THUNAR_NAVIGATOR (page));
[15:46] <lighterowl> RonaldsMazitis: do I understand correctly that you just want to run Catfish in the current directory?
[15:47] <RonaldsMazitis> yeah
[15:49] <lighterowl> oh
[15:49] <lighterowl> shame he left
[15:49] <lighterowl> I'll code it up just for fun, then.
[15:50] <lighterowl> brainwash: I really admire your patience.
[15:50] <brainwash> you should be able to figure out this last missing part
[15:54] <RonaldsMazitis> https://cboard.cprogramming.com/c-programming/52075-need-pass-parameters-system.html
[15:55] <RonaldsMazitis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nqjCC5V2Vn/
[15:56] <RonaldsMazitis> but where does xml will get the icon?
[15:59] <brainwash> isn't the icon defined in the array?
[16:00] <brainwash> home button has the icon name "go-home-symbolic"
[16:02] <RonaldsMazitis> there is no such file
[16:02] <RonaldsMazitis> in source files
[16:02] <brainwash> because it's a general icon name
[16:02] <brainwash> icon themes provide the icon files
[16:03] <RonaldsMazitis> oh
[16:04] <brainwash> try the name "filefind"
[16:11] <RonaldsMazitis> okay
[16:11] <RonaldsMazitis> so I now need to make deb package
[16:48] <RonaldsMazitis> how to compile from source?
[16:48] <RonaldsMazitis> make install does not work
[16:56] <lighterowl> RonaldsMazitis: ./autogen.sh; make;
[16:56] <lighterowl> you generally shouldn't do make install, as this will probably overwrite your distribution's packages (though the default prefix should be /usr/local, so probably not).
[16:59] <RonaldsMazitis> dt-autogen: You must have "glib2" installed. You can get if from
[16:59] <RonaldsMazitis> ftp://ftp.gtk.org/pub/gtk/
[17:00] <lighterowl> you'll probably get a lot of similar messages. you need to have development packages installed.
[17:00] <RonaldsMazitis> synaptic shows that I have libglib2
[17:00] <lighterowl> yes, but not libglib2.0-dev
[17:02] <RonaldsMazitis> now I have
[17:02] <RonaldsMazitis> still same message
[17:02] <RonaldsMazitis> cli as well?
[17:03] <lighterowl> cli? just sudo apt install libglib2.0-dev.
[17:05] <RonaldsMazitis> gtk-doc
[17:06] <brainwash> sudo apt build-dep thunar
[17:06] <lighterowl> oh right, you need to build a deb as well.
[17:06] <RonaldsMazitis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YmT3QWZFXp/
[17:07] <RonaldsMazitis> configure: error: X Window system libraries and header files are required
[17:07] <lighterowl> RonaldsMazitis: please read this - https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial - you'll be doing us all a favour.
[17:07] <RonaldsMazitis> but it should run without deb package?
[17:08] <lighterowl> RonaldsMazitis: running apt build-dep thunar will have apt download all build dependencies of thunar, thus letting you compile and run the program locally. if you want to make a custom deb package later on, refer to the article I linked.
[17:09] <RonaldsMazitis> sudo apt build-dep thunarReading package lists... DoneE: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
[17:09] <lighterowl> my oh my
[17:09] <lighterowl> I'm done.
[17:09] <RonaldsMazitis> I'm really sorry
[17:10] <RonaldsMazitis> I have sources in sources.list
[17:10] <RonaldsMazitis> does not ubuntu come with sources already?
[17:11] <brainwash> deb-src sources are not enabled by default
[17:11] <RonaldsMazitis> I guess so
[17:11] <brainwash> they are commented out in your sources.list
[17:12] <brainwash> the Software & Updates GUI allows you to enable them
[17:12] <RonaldsMazitis> yeah
[17:15] <RonaldsMazitis> The required package exo-2 was not found on your system.
[17:18] <brainwash> message from apt?
[17:19] <brainwash> libexo-2-dev
[17:20] <RonaldsMazitis> The required package libxfce4ui-2 was not found on your system.
[17:22] <brainwash> libxfce4ui-2-dev
[17:22] <brainwash> did you run the build-dep command?
[17:23] <RonaldsMazitis> yeah trying
[17:24] <RonaldsMazitis> The required package libxfce4ui-2 was found on your system,
[17:24] <RonaldsMazitis> still missing
[17:24] <brainwash> even after installing libxfce4ui-2-dev?
[17:25] <RonaldsMazitis> yea
[17:25] <RonaldsMazitis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Xy2VqhJKRq/
[17:26] <brainwash> mmh
[17:27] <RonaldsMazitis> libxfce4ui-2-0 is already the newest version (4.13.4-1ubuntu1).
[17:27] <RonaldsMazitis> *** The required package libxfce4ui-2 was found on your system,*** but the installed version (4.14.1) is too old.
[17:27] <brainwash> Depends: libxfce4ui-2-0 (>= 4.13.0)
[17:28] <brainwash> you are using a PPA for Xfce?
[17:29] <brainwash> like, did you install Xfce 4.14 via PPA?
[17:30] <RonaldsMazitis> https://packages.debian.org/experimental/amd64/libxfce4ui-2-0/download
[17:30] <RonaldsMazitis> no
[17:30] <brainwash> uhm
[17:30] <RonaldsMazitis> I installed xfce with xubuntu
[17:30] <brainwash> you manually downloaded a deb package and installed it?
[17:31] <RonaldsMazitis> installed via command line
[17:31] <brainwash> this is getting confusing again
[17:31] <brainwash> >but the installed version (4.14.1) is too old.
[17:33] <brainwash> I guess you shouldn't try to compile latest thunar on xubuntu 18.04
[17:33] <RonaldsMazitis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HjnR2vM5D5/
[17:33] <RonaldsMazitis> ok
[17:33] <brainwash> https://git.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/commit/?id=59244a32f25dae0aae51a595e383ab49fe255887
[17:34] <RonaldsMazitis> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+source/thunar
[17:34] <brainwash> download the source for thunar 1.8.12 or 1.6.x
[17:34] <brainwash> https://git.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/snapshot/thunar-1.8.12.tar.gz
[17:36] <brainwash> a recent change in the master branch now requires you to have libxfce4ui-2-0 version 4.15
[17:37] <brainwash> because development is heading towards Xfce 4.15/4.16
[17:39] <RonaldsMazitis> I downloaded
[17:39] <RonaldsMazitis> the one from ubuntu source
[17:41] <brainwash> apt source thunar?
[17:41] <RonaldsMazitis> so
[17:41] <RonaldsMazitis> I configured
[17:41] <brainwash> how did you obtain the thunar source code?
[17:41] <RonaldsMazitis> from the link
[17:42] <RonaldsMazitis> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/1.6.15-0ubuntu1
[17:42] <brainwash> okay
[17:42] <RonaldsMazitis> what do I do after configuring?
[17:42] <RonaldsMazitis> ./configure
[17:42] <brainwash> did it work now?
[17:42] <RonaldsMazitis> worked
[17:42] <brainwash> "make"
[17:42] <RonaldsMazitis> yes
[17:48] <LittleSeneca> What kind of hardware are people running?
[17:55] <RonaldsMazitis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sPVFSMWz5M/
[17:55] <RonaldsMazitis> this is not right
[17:55] <lighterowl> I'm running Xubuntu 19.10 on a Lenovo P53 with Intel i7-9850H and 64GB RAM.
[17:56] <RonaldsMazitis> omg You have 64 gigs
[17:56] <RonaldsMazitis> I have 4
[17:56] <RonaldsMazitis> :D
[17:56] <lighterowl> well, it's work hardware, so it's not really mine.
[18:01] <RonaldsMazitis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/N9s4PPTyx7/
[18:02] <RonaldsMazitis> lighterowl I got error with that system part
[18:02] <brainwash> it surely would help if knew how to program
[18:03] <RonaldsMazitis> string = sprintf(String, "/usr/bin/catfish --path= %s", current_directory);
[18:03] <RonaldsMazitis> something like that?
[18:04] <brainwash> check the source code for examples :)
[18:07] <RonaldsMazitis> https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/sprintf-in-c/
[18:08] <RonaldsMazitis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BMxW9BGXDT/
[18:08] <RonaldsMazitis> this should be correct
[18:11] <RonaldsMazitis> with lower system
[18:13] <RonaldsMazitis> system is unused
[18:17] <RonaldsMazitis> : stray ‘\302’ in program char String[255];
[18:24] <lighterowl> RonaldsMazitis: this isn't perfect, but will work better - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tmS6T5Cr2v/
[18:26] <RonaldsMazitis> lighterowl thanks
[18:26] <brainwash> lighterowl: not freeing err?
[18:26] <lighterowl> brainwash: crap, I knew I must've forgotten something.
[18:27] <RonaldsMazitis> something is different?
[18:28] <lighterowl> it won't be noticeable to you as the end user, but use this version instead : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/c3DbWrZYc7/
[18:28] <RonaldsMazitis> after make it's launchable
[18:29] <RonaldsMazitis> ?
[18:29] <lighterowl> well, it works for me.
[18:29] <RonaldsMazitis> yeah
[18:29] <RonaldsMazitis> it makes
[18:30] <brainwash> lighterowl: also strange that you involve thunarx_
[18:32] <brainwash> https://git.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/tree/thunar/thunar-file.h
[18:33] <RonaldsMazitis> after sudo make install
[18:33] <RonaldsMazitis> it should be installed?
[18:33] <lighterowl> brainwash: I must've seen this thunarx stuff in some other function. I'll try with thunar_file_get_file instead.
[18:34] <brainwash> RonaldsMazitis: it will be installed in /usr/local
[18:34] <RonaldsMazitis> it's there but it's not executable
[18:34] <brainwash> and therefore should have higher priority than the system installed version
[18:35] <brainwash> not executable?
[18:35] <brainwash> you have to kill the currently running thunar daemon
[18:35] <brainwash> thunar --quit
[18:36] <brainwash> or relog
[18:36] <lighterowl> brainwash: yeah, works file with thunar_file_get_file. thanks. :)
[18:36] <lighterowl> I meant works fine.
[18:38] <RonaldsMazitis> no new icons added
[18:38] <lighterowl> did you edit the xml too?
[18:38] <RonaldsMazitis> yeah
[18:39] <brainwash> you killed the thunar daemon process?
[18:39] <RonaldsMazitis> thunar --quit
[18:39] <RonaldsMazitis> yeah
[18:40] <brainwash> and the command "which thunar" gives what?
[18:40] <RonaldsMazitis>  /usr  /local /bin/  thunar
[18:40] <RonaldsMazitis> launches
[18:41] <RonaldsMazitis> yeah
[18:41] <RonaldsMazitis> exactly that location shows
[18:41] <RonaldsMazitis> in which thunar
[18:41] <brainwash> then your code edits are incomplete
[18:42] <RonaldsMazitis> it would help if I added some numbers
[18:42] <RonaldsMazitis> in xml
[18:42] <brainwash> numbers?
[18:43] <brainwash> you could switch existing entries around and see if that has an effect
[18:43] <pikapika> Does Thunar keep logs of files you've opened somewhere?
[18:43] <lighterowl> RonaldsMazitis: for reference, here's a full diff of my changes. http://paste.debian.net/1131565/
[18:43] <RonaldsMazitis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/j5kJHpFYKF/
[18:43] <lighterowl> this tells us only half of the story. "open-search" must also be present in the action_entries array.
[18:43] <pikapika> Interesting coincidence I asked this right when you were talking about thunar RonaldsMazitis
[18:43] <brainwash> pikapika: I don't think thunar does, but application which you use to open files can
[18:43] <pikapika> but where does it save the logs?
[18:44] <brainwash> check .local/share/recently-used.xbel
[18:44] <brainwash> but again, thunar does not access that file
[18:44] <RonaldsMazitis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pMyWrmxfJH/
[18:45] <pikapika> I really should make some tagging system, too many files scattered everywhere
[18:46] <pikapika> brainwash, does it have some hooks built-in where I can add such logging facility myself or would that entail actually changing the source and maintaining my own version?
[18:47] <brainwash> pikapika: sounds like something that would need to be implemented in the code
[18:47] <pikapika> L(
[18:47] <pikapika> :(
[18:47] <pikapika> Thanks for the help
[18:47] <brainwash> you could check if Nautilus does that
[18:47] <lighterowl> changing thunar source seems to be a very common theme today!
[18:51] <RonaldsMazitis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YxNK8xZcsx/
[18:51] <brainwash> RonaldsMazitis: it should work, it seems to work for lighterowl
[18:51] <brainwash> I did not test it
[18:52] <lighterowl> why would you? it sucks.
[18:52] <RonaldsMazitis> I posted the whole file
[18:53] <brainwash> does it work if you run it from the source directory?
[18:53] <brainwash> ./thunar/thunar
[18:54] <brainwash> or, does running thunar from terminal give any error/warning message?
[18:54] <RonaldsMazitis> nope
[18:55] <lighterowl> does the process immediately end (i.e. do you see a new line with the prompt in your console), or is the console frozen until you close the window?
[18:56] <brainwash> the first case would indicate that the daemon process is still active
[18:56] <lighterowl> yes. I stumbled upon this myself and was surprised.
[18:56] <lighterowl> :)
[18:56] <RonaldsMazitis> it opens and closes normally
[18:56] <brainwash> I think everyone is surprised by it
[18:56] <RonaldsMazitis> ./thunar/thunar
[18:57] <RonaldsMazitis> what if I remove thunar
[18:57] <RonaldsMazitis> with apt
[18:57] <RonaldsMazitis> what then?
[18:57] <brainwash> sounds like a bad idea
[18:57] <RonaldsMazitis> it has dependencies right?
[18:57] <brainwash> other components depend on thunar
[18:57] <brainwash> right
[18:58] <RonaldsMazitis> so Yours have the icons?
[18:58] <brainwash> I did not test
[18:58] <brainwash> I'm on Windows right now :>
[18:58] <lighterowl> HERESY
[18:59] <lighterowl> ;)
[19:00] <brainwash> can you test if adding another action to the bar works?
[19:00] <brainwash> one of the preexisting ones
[19:00] <brainwash> or did you test that already?
[19:00] <RonaldsMazitis> I already have 	  <toolitem action="open-tab" />
[19:00] <lighterowl> #worksforme https://imgur.com/wG5fdbh.png
[19:01] <brainwash> there you have it
[19:01] <RonaldsMazitis> I want to add that open-tab aswell
[19:02] <RonaldsMazitis> it's easier because callbacks are same
[19:02] <brainwash> I can't think of anything that would make it not work for you RonaldsMazitis
[19:02] <lighterowl> and here's the final diff just for reference : http://paste.debian.net/1131568/
[19:03] <RonaldsMazitis> cool wait I'm making it without open-tab action
[19:04] <lighterowl> brainwash: out of curiosity, are you one of the Thunar maintainers? or XFCE in general?
[19:04] <brainwash> only a contributor
[19:04] <lighterowl> cool.
[19:05] <brainwash> I'm somewhat familiar with thunar, xfdesktop and few other components
[19:05] <lighterowl> maybe you'd have an idea about what may cause this bug? ;) https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14394
[19:05] <lighterowl> argh. this is xfce4-panel.
[19:06] <brainwash> sadly, not worked with the panel much
[19:07] <lighterowl> that's cool. thanks for taking a look.
[19:08] <brainwash> and I've never encountered that bug
[19:08] <brainwash> I think
[19:08] <lighterowl> yeah, it's a real heisenbug.
[19:08] <RonaldsMazitis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pRmPs3h3fY/
[19:08] <brainwash> probably another reason why I don't bother looking into it :D
[19:08] <RonaldsMazitis> here is all I
[19:08] <RonaldsMazitis> go
[19:10] <RonaldsMazitis> I'm just thinking that search in directory and new tab on location bar would good for the thunar
[19:10] <RonaldsMazitis> it certainly would be better with those buttons
[19:10] <brainwash> I think there was a bug report for adding New Tab button
[19:11] <brainwash> maybe I can find it
[19:15] <brainwash> seems to be gone or it never existed
[19:16] <RonaldsMazitis> but my code seems fine
[19:18] <brainwash> I have no idea why it's not working for you
[19:19] <brainwash> but if we think about.. almost everything did not work for you today
[19:19] <brainwash> it was a long way
[19:20] <brainwash> maybe try from scratch and carefully apply your changes
[19:20] <RonaldsMazitis> lighterowl can You please send me source code or something like that
[19:21] <brainwash> lighterowl was using the thunar 1.8 source I assume
[19:21] <brainwash> keep that in mind
[19:24] <RonaldsMazitis> <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:24] <RonaldsMazitis> 1.8.12
[19:33] <RonaldsMazitis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sjBHRTF2cY/
[19:33] <RonaldsMazitis> this happens in 1.8.12
[19:35] <RonaldsMazitis> ah
[19:36] <RonaldsMazitis> } missin
[19:37] <RonaldsMazitis>  error while loading shared libraries: libthunarx-3.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[19:41] <brainwash> xubuntu 18.04 does not have libthunarx-3
[19:42] <brainwash> also, lighterowl changed the code and replaced the thunarx_ call
[19:44] <RonaldsMazitis> but I have 18.04
[19:44] <brainwash> then stick with thunar 1.6
[19:47] <brainwash> so, any reason why did not use lighterowl's code changes?
[19:49] <brainwash> I'm linking them again http://paste.debian.net/1131568/
[19:50] <brainwash> download thunar 1.6.x source code, apply those changes, compile, install, kill thunar daemon, start thunar
[19:51] <RonaldsMazitis> what's different?
[19:51] <RonaldsMazitis> I used them
[19:51] <brainwash> if you used those exact lines, then nothing is different
[19:52] <RonaldsMazitis> just installed 1.6
[19:52] <RonaldsMazitis> atleast now it opens
[19:52] <RonaldsMazitis> but them icons don't show
[19:55] <RonaldsMazitis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QgNr6jkh3z/
[19:55] <RonaldsMazitis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PVgG7gRk4H/
[19:56] <RonaldsMazitis> I changed standart view aswell
[20:00] <brainwash> guess I'll set up a VM and see if it works
[20:01] <RonaldsMazitis> I have 4 gb or RAM and VM's suck
[20:02] <RonaldsMazitis> but please use xubuntu 18.04
[20:03] <brainwash> yes, I downloaded 18.04
[20:11] <RonaldsMazitis> will numbers I add in xml will apper in UI?
[20:11] <brainwash> probably not
[20:17] <RonaldsMazitis> so I will delete
[20:17] <RonaldsMazitis> something
[20:18] <brainwash> are all icons missing?
[20:18] <RonaldsMazitis> it's making
[20:18] <brainwash> from where did you get "open-tab"?
[20:18] <RonaldsMazitis> I made it
[20:19] <RonaldsMazitis> it has same callback
[20:19] <RonaldsMazitis> as the file menu tab thing
[20:19] <brainwash> but the action name is "new-tab"
[20:19] <RonaldsMazitis> nothing changed
[20:20] <RonaldsMazitis> after deleting
[20:22] <brainwash> screenshot https://i.imgur.com/RfOESrV.png
[20:22] <RonaldsMazitis> can You please send me source code
[20:23] <brainwash> I used the 1.6.18 source, applied these changes http://paste.debian.net/1131568/, also added "new-tab" to the xml file and compile it
[20:23] <RonaldsMazitis> 	  <toolitem action="open-tab" />
[20:23] <RonaldsMazitis> changes don't work
[20:23] <brainwash> "open-tab" is not correct
[20:23] <brainwash> it is "new-tab"
[20:24] <RonaldsMazitis> please repost
[20:24] <RonaldsMazitis> http://paste.debian.net/1131568/,
[20:24] <RonaldsMazitis> oh wait it works
[20:25] <RonaldsMazitis> ok
[20:25] <RonaldsMazitis> so
[20:26] <RonaldsMazitis> maybe can't use same callback
[20:26] <RonaldsMazitis> I am making now
[20:27] <RonaldsMazitis> does not work
[20:27] <brainwash> works for me
[20:27] <RonaldsMazitis> FILES.FM me source code
[20:27] <RonaldsMazitis> please
[20:28] <RonaldsMazitis> I have no idea why not work
[20:28] <brainwash> how hard can it be to apply the changes?
[20:28] <RonaldsMazitis> I am applied everything
[20:28] <RonaldsMazitis> might be something I can't see
[20:28] <brainwash> start from zero
[20:28] <RonaldsMazitis> noo
[20:28] <RonaldsMazitis> please
[20:28] <RonaldsMazitis> I will try your version
[20:29] <RonaldsMazitis> I did like 6 versions
[20:29] <RonaldsMazitis> already
[20:29] <RonaldsMazitis> and same stuff happens
[20:29] <brainwash> my version is: https://git.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/snapshot/thunar-1.6.18.tar.gz  +  http://paste.debian.net/1131568/
[20:29] <brainwash> that is the code
[20:30] <RonaldsMazitis> authogen
[20:30] <RonaldsMazitis> autogen*
[20:30] <brainwash> ./autogen.sh
[20:30] <brainwash> make
[20:31] <brainwash> thunar --quit
[20:31] <brainwash> ./thunar/thunar
[20:31] <lighterowl> that is actually exactly what I did.
[20:31] <brainwash> see my screenshot https://i.imgur.com/RfOESrV.png
[20:31] <brainwash> I just did that in a new VM
[20:31] <brainwash> xubuntu 18.04
[20:32] <RonaldsMazitis> wait your 64 gb ram thing probably is faster in vm
[20:32] <RonaldsMazitis> than my actual pc
[20:32] <RonaldsMazitis> making now
[20:32] <brainwash> my VM has 2gb only
[20:32] <lighterowl> well, I'm not on that machine right now, but I don't see how that's relevant.
[20:32] <RonaldsMazitis> still same
[20:32] <brainwash> and it loads everything into RAM because it's a live session
[20:32] <lighterowl> I'm on even on xubuntu right now, lol.
[20:33] <lighterowl> *not even
[20:33] <RonaldsMazitis> I installed your version and it's tha same
[20:33] <RonaldsMazitis> wait
[20:33] <RonaldsMazitis> what
[20:33] <RonaldsMazitis> there is no buttons added
[20:34] <RonaldsMazitis> so You want me to copy paste
[20:34] <RonaldsMazitis> 7 times
[20:34] <RonaldsMazitis> I thought You will send me source
[20:34] <RonaldsMazitis> modified
[20:35] <tomreyn> !enter
[20:40] <RonaldsMazitis> ok
[20:40] <RonaldsMazitis> now it works for me
[20:41] <RonaldsMazitis> magic happened
[20:41] <brainwash> sure
[20:42] <RonaldsMazitis> one button is missing
[20:42] <RonaldsMazitis> next button
[20:48] <RonaldsMazitis> and it's back to not working
[20:52] <RonaldsMazitis> and after reinstall back to working again, but still only 4 icons
[20:59] <RonaldsMazitis> so 4 icons
[21:00] <RonaldsMazitis> no forward because limitations?
[21:05] <RonaldsMazitis> I can make two open parent buttons
[21:06] <RonaldsMazitis> so space is not limited
[21:06] <RonaldsMazitis>         <placeholder name="placeholder-history-actions" /> JUST DOES NOT WORK
[21:11] <RonaldsMazitis> If I extract original  files on desktop in folder, it's back to begging
[21:18] <brainwash> RonaldsMazitis: isn't forward button only visible if you can go forward?
[21:18] <brainwash> I already closed the VM
[21:18] <RonaldsMazitis> it's not there
[21:20] <brainwash> what does "reinstall" mean?
[21:21] <brainwash> sudo make install?
[21:21] <RonaldsMazitis> make, then make install
[21:23] <RonaldsMazitis> https://ibb.co/Dr2DyXT
[21:23] <RonaldsMazitis> no forward button
[21:24] <lighterowl> thank god that php folder is in the trash.
[21:24] <lighterowl> ;)
[21:24] <RonaldsMazitis> I love php
[21:25] <RonaldsMazitis> :D
[21:25] <lighterowl> that's nice.
[21:26] <brainwash> where did the buttons go?! :)
[21:27] <brainwash> are the buttons gone when you run thunar from the source directory?
[21:28] <RonaldsMazitis> yes
[21:28] <RonaldsMazitis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xyJXgtnhKf/
[21:29] <RonaldsMazitis> what buttons? it's just forward missing
[21:29] <RonaldsMazitis> here is everything
[21:30] <brainwash> where is the back button?
[21:30] <brainwash> in your screenshot
[21:30] <RonaldsMazitis> open parent is back
[21:30] <RonaldsMazitis> ohg
[21:30] <RonaldsMazitis> yeah
[21:30] <RonaldsMazitis> back button is missing aswell
[21:40] <RonaldsMazitis> send me whole xml
[21:40] <RonaldsMazitis> it's just not working
[21:40] <RonaldsMazitis> I'm getting mad at this
[21:40] <brainwash> it never worked?
[21:40] <brainwash> I thought that you got it working
[21:41] <RonaldsMazitis> it works but placeholder-history-actions
[21:41] <RonaldsMazitis> well I use original and just add new tab-and open-search and that makes forward and back to dissapear
[21:44] <brainwash> they weren't missing in my case
[21:45] <brainwash> https://i.imgur.com/RfOESrV.png
[21:45] <brainwash> and I have been using the same code changes as you did
[21:47] <RonaldsMazitis> oka
[21:47] <RonaldsMazitis> I added forward and back


[06:25] <Novice201y> Hello. I've got project on local memory (with "bzr branch lp:midori"). How can I just update files that have been changed from time of last "update"?
[06:42] <Novice201y> OK, "bzr update" did the trick.
[18:49] <dehein> Hi i am trying to learn how to build a package in launchpad. Can anybody check my repo and the build log. The only file I really changed was the changelog file. But somehow i get failed messages: https://code.launchpad.net/~dehein/+recipe/hello-packaging-daily
[23:33] <LiamW> Hi, bzr question
[23:34] <LiamW> Is there a "better" way to check if a bazaar branch is bound other than grepping for "checkout" in bzr info?


[13:39] <mup> Bug #1660860 changed: mdadm error message during 14.04 deploy <MAAS:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1660860>
[14:45] <mup> Bug #1665649 opened: [2.2] Adding custom repositories does not validate missing key <error-surface> <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1665649>
[14:48] <Chaitu> After PXE booting the server they get the DHCP IP and boot the image
[14:49] <Chaitu> While booting up the server again tries to do DHCP but this time the MAAS server is not responding
[14:53] <pmatulis> Chaitu, why was the server booting up again?
[15:31] <Chaitu> @ pmatulis ; First DHCP attempt for PXE boot to get the pxelinux file and second was when its loading the image
[15:32] <Chaitu> console log is "IP-config: eno1 hardware address <mac address> mtu 1500 DHCP RARP "
[15:33] <Chaitu> hostname maas-enlist  IP-Config: no response after 25 secs -giving up
[15:34] <Chaitu> this is with HP Gen 8 server
[15:34] <Chaitu> MAAS - controller is running as a VM
[15:48] <mup> Bug #1665680 opened: Deploying nodes in multiple VLANs fails due to RPF filtering <maas> <maas (Ubuntu):New for maas> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1665680>
[15:53] <Chaitu> Hi
[15:54] <Chaitu> nodes are not booting over PXE.
[15:54] <Chaitu> below is the message display on the console
[15:54] <Chaitu> console log is "IP-config: eno1 hardware address <mac address> mtu 1500 DHCP RARP "
[15:54] <Chaitu> hostname maas-enlist  IP-Config: no response after 64 secs -giving up
[16:09] <pmatulis> Chaitu, sounds like dhcp is not configured for the correct machine subnet. please check
[16:13] <Chaitu> Pmatulis, But during the initial boot DHCP request is servered.
[16:13] <Chaitu> I mean when the Server tries to boot over the NIC card . It get the IP address and boots.
[16:14] <Chaitu> And DHCP server is also managed by MAAS
[16:14] <pmatulis> Chaitu, right, for enlistment. just confirm
[16:19] <Chaitu> Pmatulis, I have checked it . config seems to be good.
[16:20] <Chaitu> Is there any way to dump the config so that it can be verified
[16:24] <Chaitu> After its fall back to busybox, I can tun dhclient and it get the IP address
[17:49] <myra> hello
[17:49] <myra> why does this error keep popping up whenever I try using boot-resources or any other command ? error: argument COMMAND: invalid choice u'admin' (choose from u'list', u'login', u'logout', u'refresh')
[17:54] <brendand> myra, have you created a profile by running maas login <maas url>?
[17:55] <mup> Bug #1665680 opened: Deploying nodes in multiple VLANs fails due to RPF filtering <maas> <MAAS:New> <maas (Ubuntu):New for maas> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1665680>
[17:57] <myra> yes and I am indeed logged in
[17:57] <myra> am I missing a packge or something ?
[17:58] <brendand> so you do : maas admin boot-resources read?
[18:03] <myra> yes I do that and it tells me that boot-resources doesn't exist
[18:03] <myra> it tells me to choose from: files, nodes, node-group and version
[18:03] <brendand> myra, which maas version?
[18:04] <myra> 1.9
[18:04] <myra> 1.9.4
[18:07] <brendand> ah
[18:07] <myra> I'm using a ubuntu 14.04
[18:08] <brendand> myra, where are you running the command?
[18:08] <myra> cli
[18:08] <brendand> myra, are you running it on the same machine as the maas server?
[18:08] <myra> yes
[18:10] <brendand> myra, can you run maas list and paste it here: paste.ubuntu.com?
[18:12] <myra> paste.ubuntu.com/24014965
[18:19] <brendand> myra, now 'maas admin --help'
[18:21] <myra> paste.ubuntu.com/24015005
[18:27] <brendand> myra, try 'maas refresh' then the same command again
[18:28] <myra> still the same thing
[18:28] <brendand> that's very odd
[18:45] <_flx> hi. do you guys provision the node with apps/libs (ansible/chef/puppet) everytime a node is deployed?
[18:49] <brendand> _flx, no only the base ubuntu install
[18:49] <brendand> but there are ways you can add extra things
[18:49] <_flx> brendand, and what do you use afterward to install stuff on the node?
[18:50] <brendand> _flx, ah you mean in that way
[18:50] <brendand> the main way to deploy services is with juju
[18:52] <_flx> I see. Thaks
[18:57] <myra> why do I only have four commands with maas admin ? shouldnt there be more ?
[19:03] <myra> when I do maas admin boot-resources this error pops out paste.ubuntu.com/24015254


[07:43] <highvoltage> kgoetz: heh! I've been battling with it too :)
[07:43] <highvoltage> (although haven't had much time for it this week)
[07:43] <highvoltage> the games will begin again this afternoon :)
[07:45] <kgoetz> *grin*
[07:46] <kgoetz> i'v got 2 hours :|
[07:50] <kgoetz> highvoltage: do you know of any instructiouns?
[08:05] <RichEd-1> greetz
[08:05] <kgoetz> gday
[08:06] <kgoetz> highvoltage: do you need 'ltspfsd' and 'fuse' installed to do ltspfs? or just one?
[08:06] <kgoetz> RichEd: how are you today?
[08:07] <RichEd> Well ... thanks for asking Karl ... and yourself ?
[08:08] <kgoetz> very hot and tired, otherwise ok thankyou
[08:09] <kgoetz> ooh, and just discovered i need 'ltspfsd' installed in my chroot... i think :)
[08:11] <RichEd> hot & tired ... you in the southern hemisphere then ? or a room with bad ventilation :)
[08:12] <kgoetz> *grin* both
[08:15] <kgoetz> brb. rebooting terminal... hopefully with local storage
[08:21] <kgoetz> aww... i messed up somehow :(
[08:25] <kgoetz> RichEd: how long will you be online for/around?
[08:26] <RichEd> most of today ... just started
[08:27] <kgoetz> goodoh.
[08:27] <kgoetz> i'll probalbly be able to catch you then
[08:38] <kgoetz> OMG LTSP SOUND :O:O
[08:38] <kgoetz> sorry about that... had to let it out :)
[08:42] <kgoetz> grrr. nearly there!. the client is creating the devices for my USB drive, but not making /tmp/drives
[09:09] <kgoetz> ogra: should i ping you with dapper ltsp questions, or #ltsp? or both?
[10:51] <stgraber> morning
[10:51] <RichEd> hi stgraber
[10:52] <stgraber> How was Poland ?
[10:52] <cbx33> hey RichEd
[10:53] <RichEd> stgraber: work = good ... country = different ... can feel & see the impact of ww2 and communism ... food = unusual :)
[10:53] <RichEd> cbx33: hey hey hey
[10:55] <highvoltage> kgoetz: you need both, sorry, been away
[10:55] <highvoltage> kgoetz: how is your system configured? on a default new edubuntu installation it should work out of the box.
[10:59] <cbx33> brb
[12:00] <highvoltage> RichEd: I like your 'left' message :)
[12:01] <RichEd> highvoltage :) willvdl asked me "don't the arrows go the wrong way" ... and I told him it was intended to cause a mental disconnect
[12:02] <highvoltage> heh
[12:02] <RichEd> as in "left stage right"
[12:03] <eilker> !gpg
[12:03] <ubotu> gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto
[12:19] <eilker> !grub
[12:19] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[12:59] <cbx33> umm....do i remember correctly that rar can't be opened on linux?
[01:45] <gnomefreak> cbx33: it can there is a package in repos for rar packages
[01:45] <gnomefreak> !rar
[01:45] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[02:01] <RichEd> w00t  ogra
[02:08] <highvoltage> ogra: you mean, the first edubuntu fat client ;)
[02:08] <highvoltage> ogra: great :)
[02:08] <ogra> yeah ... my workstation plugin works ...
[02:09] <ogra> (i cheated a bit and created a user, ldap integration must happen befre i can finish fat-clients)
[02:09] <highvoltage> wow, great.
[02:09] <highvoltage> RichEd: please ping me when you're back
[02:09] <ogra> and i need to think about ip forwarding ...
[02:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> highvoltage, i have ubuntu+ltsp, rather then edubuntu
[02:10] <highvoltage> Kamping_Kaiser: ogra is talking about something else, booting a full workstation, but over the network :)
[02:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> highvoltage, i'm talking about what i spoke to you about last, as kgoetz ;)
[02:10] <highvoltage> Kamping_Kaiser: aaaah!
[02:10] <highvoltage> ogra: performance is nice, hey?
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> fat client would rock
[02:11] <highvoltage> ogra: I like how nicely sound and usb devices just work
[02:11] <highvoltage> ogra: and it responds better when you unplug the network cable and plug it back in too
[02:12] <ogra> Kamping_Kaiser, fat-client is running here ... ltsp-build-client has already the new plugin locally ... i'll add it to the package with the next upload
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> ogra, sounds awsome. wish it was in an LTS version *grin*
[02:13] <ogra> well, you can just copy over the plugin, should work ...
[02:13] <ogra> but you will need to set up the ldap integration manually
[03:17] <RichEd> ping highvoltage
[03:26] <highvoltage> hey RichEd
[03:26] <RichEd> highvoltage: what's up ?
[03:26] <highvoltage> making food at the moment so my concentration is a bit divided :)
[03:27] <highvoltage> RichEd: I'm a bit bothered by my increasing inactivity in Edubuntu
[03:27] <highvoltage> RichEd: It's really not that I don't want to help, it's just that each time I think "there, my workload will be coming down now" it actually goes up
[03:28] <highvoltage> I'm not sure how other people are feeling about it, and how this impacts my EC status.
[03:28] <RichEd> highvoltage: ^^ that's a usual syndrome of taking on more responsibility ...
[03:28] <RichEd> I have not heard one single bad comment ... so rest assured.
[03:28] <highvoltage> RichEd: ok. but I'd like you and others to know that I'm still committed to Edubuntu
[03:29] <RichEd> I see that many of you guys (you, jerome, etc.) as being the old blood, the pioneers who laid the groundwork ...
[03:29] <RichEd> I also see that moving on is part of your personal career focus and growth ...
[03:29] <highvoltage> yep.
[03:29] <highvoltage> it's just that I don't want to completely 'move on' :)
[03:30] <RichEd> It's up to me to recruit more new blood, and to use you for your knowledge, and not your sweat.
[03:30] <highvoltage> next week we're releasing our first public release of tuxlab. it's very buggy but also nice.
[03:30] <highvoltage> I hope to get some more volunteers and get tuxlab fixed up, then get all our cool stuff into edubuntu.
[03:30] <RichEd> i.e. I see you as being a perfect mentor (how to do, what to do) being able to guide the new energy (the actual to do bit)
[03:31] <highvoltage> I want to have a healthy upstream/downstream relationship, which is why I'd like to stay involved with Ubuntu as far as my capacity allows.
[03:31] <highvoltage> RichEd: that's a big compliment :)
[03:31] <highvoltage> RichEd: thank you
[03:31] <RichEd> So, if we can call on you for less interactions, but filtered, then your impact can be as big, but more from a conductor, rather than a player.
[03:31] <highvoltage> ah, I see.
[03:32] <highvoltage> almost like with ogra and his clones
[03:32] <RichEd> The way I see it, and as I have been saying to many people, we should be getting a wave of new people intersted in helping, but with more of a "keen end user capability" rather than a linux mechanic bent.
[03:33] <highvoltage> absolutely.
[03:33] <highvoltage> although, I'd like to think that I'm very end user orientated too :)
[03:33] <RichEd> If we can use you guys as our upstream, you can help us by helping the lesser skilled, but higher numbers downstream.
[03:34] <RichEd> I said "capability" = skill level ... not ability to help / empathise / understand :)
[03:35] <highvoltage> ah ok
[03:35] <Dheeraj_k> elo every body :)
[03:35] <Dheeraj_k> wats up?
[03:35] <highvoltage> that's great. I like this kind of discussion.
[03:35] <highvoltage> RichEd: I'll ping you more often so that we can keep the discussion open
[03:36] <Dheeraj_k> i am facing little bit  problem with ed-ubuntu
[03:36] <highvoltage> RichEd: I really believe there's lots of space where the projects can benefit from each other
[03:36] <highvoltage> hi Dheeraj_k
[03:36] <Dheeraj_k> hi voltage! r u fully charged?
[03:37] <Dheeraj_k> ok here is the problem
[03:37] <highvoltage> Dheeraj_k: :)
[03:37] <Dheeraj_k> today i upgraded my windows from xp to mce
[03:37] <highvoltage> mce?
[03:37] <Dheeraj_k> but than i lost ubuntu  :(
[03:38] <highvoltage> Dheeraj_k: do you have an alternate install cd?
[03:38] <Dheeraj_k> now my pc is booting in windows
[03:38] <highvoltage> Dheeraj_k: it has a rescue mode where you can simply re-install grub
[03:38] <Dheeraj_k> media center edition
[03:38] <highvoltage> Dheeraj_k: windows is quite nasty like that, it overwites your master boot record on installation without asking :/
[03:39] <Dheeraj_k> b4 upgrading to mce i took the backup of all my ubuntu file
[03:39] <Dheeraj_k> and also /var/apt/archive
[03:39] <Dheeraj_k> now i have installed ed-ubuntu
[03:39] <Dheeraj_k> now how can i install packages from
[03:40] <Dheeraj_k> var/cache/apt/archives
[03:40] <Dheeraj_k> my net speed is not good so i can't download each and every package from net
[03:41] <Dheeraj_k> thats why i took the backup of apt file which i downloaded from net
[03:42] <highvoltage> Dheeraj_k: you can add them to a local archive and then install from it
[03:43] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: google clug wiki installing deb without compromising dependencies
[03:43] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: Google found 'CLUG Wiki - How do I install a .deb file I downloaded without ...', at http://wiki.clug.org.za/wiki/How_do_I_install_a_.deb_file_I_downloaded_without_compromising_dependencies%3F
[03:43] <highvoltage> Dheeraj_k: that guide may give you some good insight on how to do it
[03:44] <RichEd> highvoltage: 100% ^^^
[03:44] <highvoltage> :)
[03:44] <Dheeraj_k> thanx mate :)
[03:45] <Dheeraj_k> btw wat is the use of `apt-get -f install ?
[03:46] <Dheeraj_k> does it install the broken packages?
[03:48] <Dheeraj_k> !essentail
[03:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about essentail - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:49] <Dheeraj_k> !gcc
[03:49] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[03:49] <cbx33> are you looking for
[03:49] <cbx33> build_essential
[03:50] <cbx33> !build_essential
[03:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about build_essential - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:50] <cbx33> bah
[03:52] <Dheeraj_k> yeah crapy bot
[03:53] <highvoltage> Dheeraj_k: apt-get -f install removes or adds packages to keep your system sane
[04:05] <Dheeraj_k> !ls
[04:05] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[04:05] <Dheeraj_k> !who
[04:05] <ubotu> Please don't ask questions like "Who knows about ....".  Just ask the question you would ask them.  If someone can help, they'll answer.
[04:08] <sbalneav_> Morning all
[04:09] <stgraber> hi
[04:09] <Dheeraj_k> sbalneav: good morning :)
[04:10] <Dheeraj_k> !hello  |  stgraber
[04:10] <ubotu> hello: The classic greeting, and a good example. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1.1-4 (edgy), package size 47 kB, installed size 472 kB
[04:43] <bddebian> Heya
[04:56] <highvoltage> heya dbbedian
[05:01] <Dheeraj_k> hie
[05:03] <Dheeraj_k> does any body know how to mount iso image?
[05:05] <jbrefort> mount -o loop ...
[05:05] <Dheeraj_k> file is in ngr format
[05:05] <Dheeraj_k> image created using nero
[05:06] <jbrefort> never did that, don't know
[05:13] <stgraber> you need to convert it to the iso format first
[05:13] <stgraber> there is a software to do that, but I can't remember the name
[06:08] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: karmaladder
[06:08] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: excuse me?
[06:25] <cberlo> Hi folks.  Got a quick (I hope) question:  does flash work on edgy, through a thin client?  Haven't tweaked anything yet, but when I visit a site that has flash (like youtube.com) from a thin client, it crashes the browser.  Visiting directly on the server works fine.
[08:59] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: goodnight
[08:59] <edubuntugirl> goodnight, highvoltage.


[00:39] <cmaloney> Zimdale: Sometimes. :)
[01:10] <jrwren> cmaloney: phone has it be default, but pad does not. strange ios inconsistencies.
[01:10] <Zimdale> ipad doesn't have a calculator?
[01:12] <jrwren> not by default.
[01:12] <jrwren> apple doesn't provide one.
[01:12] <jrwren> the iOS calculator app from apple is for phone only, not for pad.
[01:12] <jrwren> they still have that idea of phone OR pad and universal apps which run on both.
[01:12] <Zimdale> weird
[01:20] <cmaloney> jrwren: I know. I'm teasing. :)
[01:42] <greg-g> lame :)
[01:45] <Zimdale> how was your meetup cmaloney?
[02:07] <cmaloney> Zimdale: It was pretty cool
[02:08] <cmaloney> two new folks
[02:08] <cmaloney> Zimdale: Should have been there.
[02:08] <cmaloney> I tried to explain Scheme and showed someone my .vimrc