[00:07] <naught102> ok, I found ~/.Xmodmap, but where are the non-user defaults?
[00:07] <techbw> crash_hates_time: have u managed to get the card to work?
[00:12] <Mimi> Does anyone know how to make sure ubuntu doesn't use different cursor themes depending on which window you are? I'm seeing 3 different kinds of cursors so far.... >.>
[00:13] <sponix> Anyone got a sec to help me out with GPG Key for us.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[00:13] <sponix> W: A error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used.GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:14] <sponix> worked fine for a while, not sure why it quit being valid
[00:15] <PovAddict> did you try updating sources again?
[00:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> !repomirrors
[00:15] <PovAddict> could be temporary
[00:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> !repomirror
[00:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> there we go
[00:15] <Daisuke_Laptop> some of the repos are having problems
[00:15] <sponix> PovAddict: yeah, did it a couple times
[00:16] <TuPari> Why can't I change my volume settings after upgrading to 8.04 ?
[00:16] <PovAddict> Daisuke_Laptop: yeah I noticed the closest to me (ar.archive.ubuntu.com) downloading at like 30KB/s even though my connection is 1mbit
[00:16] <PovAddict> and sometimes taking a whole minute to *start* downloading
[00:16] <PovAddict> so now I'm using brazil... fine so far
[00:16] <sponix> ubottu: wow, I like that
[00:16] <Simonft> im on a powerbook G4 running Kubuntu, and it refuses to boot from the cd. I takes it in and spits it back out, even when im logged in normally. I was burned at the slowest speed possible
[00:17] <sponix> ubottu: I selected "Normal Releases" instead of LTS as well, that shouldn't be an issue though, riiight ?
[00:17] <Simonft> sponix: it's a bot
[00:17] <Simonft> sponix: Daisuke_Laptop told it to say that
[00:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> PovAddict: just because it's closest doesn't make it fastest :D
[00:18] <sponix> Simonft: close enough ;)
[00:18] <Simonft> sponix: lol
[00:19] <sponix> so, that automagic mirror selector, it will update the GPG keys as needed also ?
[00:19] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's probably not a problem with the key, but a problem with the mirror.
[00:20] <Simonft> im on a powerbook G4 running Kubuntu, and it refuses to boot from the cd. I takes it in and spits it back out, even when im logged in normally. I was burned at the slowest speed p
[00:22] <sponix> Why does Germany have .de anyway ?
[00:22] <sponix> why not .ge ?
[00:23] <tsb> sponix: because it is called Deutschland perhaps?
[00:23] <sponix> Oh..   I use Firefox but even setting the "custom web browser" as such doesn't work.
[00:28] <viperserv2> ah will the irc tcp stacks be like windows or linux?
[00:29] <Dragnslcr> kvm/qemu might work fairly well with games if you have a newer CPU
[00:29] <viperserv2> ahh u need windows nm
[00:29] <PovAddict> viperserv2: virtualbox is a VM, you install Windows on it
[00:29] <Dragnslcr> viperserv2- IRC and TCP are very different things
[00:29] <PovAddict> (or any other operating system)
[00:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> Dragnslcr: don't you still have to use software rendering if it's available?
[00:29] <viperserv2> yeah thats the problem have to install windows
[00:30] <PovAddict> Daisuke_Laptop: why virtualbox bad for games? performance?
[00:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> PovAddict: 3d
[00:30] <Dragnslcr> Daisuke_Laptop- I dunno. I'm not sure if kvm gives near-direct access to the video card or not
[00:30] <viperserv2> fios is nice
[00:30] <trident523> viperserv2: yes, it is.
[00:30] <PovAddict> wrt compatibility, it should be way better than Wine, since it's the real thing
[00:30] <trident523> viperserv2: The news server is the best, ever, ever.
[00:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> PovAddict: traditionally, VMs have had major issues with video, unable to provide anything close to native 3d video performance, making it unsuitable for gaming
[00:31] <viperserv2> hmm i have rr myself
[00:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> but absolutely, it's the most compatible thing you'll find.
[00:31] <viperserv2> they give u 30/5?
[00:31] <PovAddict> Daisuke_Laptop: yep, they emulate a VGA card or something lol
[00:31] <PovAddict> trident523: news server...?
[00:31] <Daisuke_Laptop> and i'm so proud, i have yet to install wine on the new hardy installs (laptop and desktop)
[00:31] <trident523> viperserv2: Went with the 5/2.  Yes, I am.
[00:33]  * PovAddict loses interest in conversation
[00:34] <trident523> PovAddict: And, reading verizon's actual information group.
[00:34] <Dragnslcr> One of these weekends I'm gonna work on getting kvm up with the networking the way I want it
[00:35] <Dragnslcr> Try to separate my web and mail servers from my desktop
[00:36] <viperserv2> hmm there a gui webserver app for linux?
[00:36] <alexander_> whats best of kubuntu and gubuntu?
[00:36] <sacha_> personal preference
[00:37] <trident523> viperserv2: What would a gui webserver have, other than "on/off?"
[00:37] <alexander_> i mean compatibility wise... is there most programs for kde or gnome?
[00:37] <trident523> alexander_: You can install kde apps on gnome, gnome apps on kde... etc.
[00:37] <dwidmann> alexander_: try them both and find out
[00:37] <sponix> alexander_: I like xubuntu, kubuntu, and ubuntu in that order... gubuntu I tried, and felt it was lacking ...That is just me
[00:37] <jeroen-> alexander_: looking for something particular
[00:38] <alexander_> i like clean interfaces with fancy effects
[00:38] <sponix> sacha_: make sure I'm right when I say that... gubuntu is the one that uses Enlightenment right ?
[00:38] <viperserv2> well apache i could get working
[00:38] <alexander_> also... i want a "dock" like that one in mac os x
[00:38] <jeroen-> alexander_: well, than you at the right spot
[00:39] <Simonft> im on a powerbook G4 running Kubuntu, and it refuses to boot from the cd. I takes it in and spits it back out, even when im logged in normally. It was burned at the slowest speed possibe
[00:39] <jeroen-> a dock
[00:39] <Simonft> ksmoothdock
[00:39] <jeroen-> thats possible to
[00:39] <gustavo_> hello guys. kubuntu is not detecting my wireless card, could anybody help me with it?
[00:39] <Simonft> a little buggy but good otherwise
[00:39] <Simonft> gustavo_: is it a broadcom?
[00:39] <gustavo_> its an hp dv6353
[00:39] <gustavo_> ya
[00:39] <jeroen-> or you try superkaramba
[00:39] <Simonft> ooh.
[00:39] <gustavo_> yes Simonft
[00:39] <Simonft> yay
[00:40] <Simonft> those aren't easy
[00:40] <gustavo_> :(
[00:40] <trident523> Simonft: Are you using the old... now backported... ppc disc?
[00:40] <gustavo_> lspci doesnt show it
[00:40] <sacha_> sponix: thought you meant gUbuntu, g for gnome. still, even with E17, it's personal preference. most people dont like it though
[00:40] <jeroen-> gustavo_: did you trey ndiswrapper?
[00:40] <gustavo_> it used to work flawlessly in gutsy
[00:40] <Simonft> newest one
[00:40] <Simonft> hardy herron
[00:40] <Simonft> it worked for ubuntu before
[00:40] <radster> can anyone solve a problem with regards to the default user folder im new to linux server?
[00:41] <Simonft> jeroen-: nah, hasent wored for the others
[00:41] <jeroen-> well thats strange
[00:41] <alexander_> right now im using ubuntu.... its clean and nice, but nothing fancy
[00:41] <gustavo_> jeroen-: ya but it doesnt detected the hardware dude
[00:41] <alexander_> not even alt tab is fancy 3d
[00:41] <macisp2000> Can someone tell me what the Kubuntu 8.04 DVD has that the CD does not?
[00:41] <Simonft> gustavo_: http://penkin.wordpress.com/2008/03/28/ubuntu-804-broadcom-wireless/
[00:41] <jeroen-> gustavo_: if it worked in gutsy, try this on the commandline:
[00:41] <gustavo_> i tried that
[00:41] <gustavo_> didnt work
[00:41] <alexander_> i take that back
[00:41] <jeroen-> gustavo_: dpkg-reconfigure network-manager
[00:41] <Simonft> gustavo_: to whom is that directed
[00:41] <alexander_> windows key-tab is fancy:)
[00:41] <gustavo_> listen
[00:42] <gustavo_> the hardware is not detected
[00:42] <Simonft> alexander_: did you enable the effects
[00:42] <dwidmann> macisp2000: probably slightly more packages, alternate and live installers (and perhaps more installation options, I can't recall)
[00:42] <gustavo_> lspci and lshw
[00:42] <trident523> Simonft: Well, if it is a g4... it needs the ppc disc. Now, a newer... intel mac will support hardy in it's normal form.
[00:42] <jeroen-> gustavo_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure network-manager
[00:42] <trident523> Simonft: unless you are running a VM.
[00:42] <Simonft> trident523: I have the ppc disk for hardy
[00:42] <gustavo_> jeroen-: nothing
[00:42] <macisp2000> I downloaded and installed it over the CD, but don't see any difference.
[00:42] <jeroen-> gustavo_: so fast
[00:42] <Simonft> gustavo_: http://penkin.wordpress.com/2008/03/28/ubuntu-804-broadcom-wireless/
[00:42] <gustavo_> gustavo@gustavo-laptop:~$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure network-manager
[00:42] <gustavo_>  * Reloading system message bus config...                                [ OK ]
[00:42] <gustavo_>  * Restarting network connection manager NetworkManager                  [ OK ]
[00:42] <gustavo_>  * Restarting network events dispatcher NetworkManagerDispatcher         [ OK ]
[00:42] <gustavo_> gustavo@gustavo-laptop:~$
[00:42] <jeroen-> is it a usb or pcicia?
[00:43] <gustavo_> Simonft: i did that too
[00:43] <gustavo_> it compiles normally
[00:43] <trident523> macisp2000: It includes more software on the CD repository, and the alt installer. Installing over dosen't really do anything, to my knowledge.
[00:43] <gustavo_> just doesnt work
[00:43] <gustavo_> the hardware, the card is not detected
[00:43] <jeroen-> gustavo_: is it a usb-stick?
[00:43] <gustavo_> no!
[00:43] <Simonft> 1. sudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[00:43] <Simonft> 2. Change “blacklist bcm43xx” to “#blacklist bcm43xx”
[00:43] <Simonft> 3. Restart. You should get a restricted driver message.
[00:43] <Simonft> 4. Enable restricted driver
[00:43] <Simonft> 5. Restart and you are good to go
[00:43] <gustavo_> hp dv6353
[00:43] <gustavo_> i did that!!
[00:44] <macisp2000> Also, when I enable Desktop effects and select the "manage with a seperate manger" I then install compiz manager, but all the icons in the manager are just little squares instead of the pics, any ideas?
[00:44] <gustavo_> restricted-manager also doesnt detected it
[00:44] <macisp2000> thanks for the dvd info
[00:44] <jeroen-> gustavo_: the only thing I can think of is ndiswrapper
[00:44] <Simonft> gustavo_: http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43
[00:44] <gustavo_> jockey only detect nvidia video card
[00:45] <jeroen-> but seems you tried everything already
[00:45] <gustavo_> the wireless works on windows
[00:45] <jeroen-> gustavo_: off course it does
[00:45] <gustavo_> no it doesnt
[00:45] <jeroen-> my mother also works on windows ;-)
[00:45] <Simonft> gustavo_: you saw my last link?
[00:46] <gustavo_> opening it
[00:46] <Hrontore> Hm, BlueKaj isn't here. Darn it.
[00:46] <macisp2000> BIG question, I would like to know of a program/feature for making my own Kubuntu LiveCD after I get all the programs installed and setup like I like.  I liked this feature in PCLinuxOS, but I would assume that someone has done a similar program with Kubuntu?
[00:47] <gustavo_> Simonft: nothing new there
[00:47] <Simonft> macisp2000: not that I have heard of
[00:47] <jeroen-> macisp2000: a customized live-cd ? yes I want that to
[00:47] <Simonft> gustavo_: no idea, im on a broadcom and it is working.
[00:47] <Hrontore> I need help with my package data base, I think its locked becuase I have a broken install of a python poker server. I need help to unlock the database and finish the install, then uninstall.
[00:47] <jeroen-> there are some utilietes I have hears off, but it needs a lot of expertise\
[00:48] <gustavo_> Simonft: something maybe related to noapic and nolapic boot options?
[00:48] <Simonft> gustavo_: for your problem or for mine?
[00:48] <gustavo_> im not using none but there is a bios bug at boot start
[00:48] <gustavo_> bios bug #81
[00:49] <Simonft> !noapic
[00:49] <macisp2000> I have heard of something called Reconstructor while searching on google, anyone used it?
[00:49] <gustavo_> wth
[00:49] <sponix> ok, how do I keep the pcspkr module for loading ?
[00:49] <sponix> put it in /etc/modules/blacklist ?
[00:49] <Simonft> gustavo_: what is noapic?
[00:50] <gustavo_> lspci should list the card anyways :/
[00:50] <macisp2000> http://lifehacker.com/software/featured-linux-download/roll-your-own-ubuntu-live-cd-with-reconstructor-276092.php
[00:50] <gustavo_> im totally unhappy with this :(
[00:50] <macisp2000> still searching for info
[00:50] <Hrontore> I have a locked apt database, how do I unlock it?
[00:50] <gustavo_> Simonft: dunno
[00:50] <Hrontore> Where is that bot...
[00:50] <macisp2000> here seems to be the main website for it. http://reconstructor.aperantis.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
[00:51] <Simonft> macisp2000: try #ubuntu, there have been a lot of people in there with the trouble, they know a lot about it
[00:51] <gustavo_> hardy sucks
[00:51] <dwidmann> !aptfix | Hrontore
[00:51] <Simonft> gustavo_: if you have a broadcom, yes
[00:52] <gustavo_> wireless, bluetooth.. nothing working as before :/
[00:52] <gustavo_> im sad
[00:52] <Simonft> I'm going to try booting off the cd again, brb if it does not work.
[00:52] <macisp2000> ok thanks
[00:52] <gustavo_> already reinstalled thousand times
[00:52] <aaroncampbell> How can I see what SELinux is set to?
[00:53] <gustavo_> time to try other distros
[00:53] <gustavo_> cya!
[00:53] <sFEARs> hello
[00:53] <crash__> how do I obtain a list of running processes?
[00:54] <Dragnslcr> crash__- ctrl-esc should open KSysGuard
[00:54] <dwidmann> crash__: or ps -A
[00:54] <Dragnslcr> Or you can use ps in a terminal
[00:54] <dwidmann> crash__: or pstree, top, or htop for that matter
[01:07] <Mahtrix> hello! what's the KDE equivalent for gnome's File roller? I've tried Ark but with no sucess (no compress/decompress options with right click in a file)
[01:10] <dwidmann> Mahtrix: ark is the equivalent, so you answered your question kind of .... something could be wrong with konqueror's service menus ... which I haven't been able to get to work at all with kde4's konqeuror/dolphin
[01:11] <Mahtrix> dwidmann: yeah, I'm on KDE4
[01:13] <jeroen-> Mahtrix: please see #kubuntu-kde4
[01:15] <Mahtrix> jeroen-: I will, thank you
[01:16] <dwidmann> Mahtrix: the really funny (well, not really) part about people being told to go there is that most of the people who sit in there sit in here too
[01:16] <Simonf1> it did not work
[01:16] <Simonf1> still can't boot for cd
[01:16] <Simonf1> **from
[01:18] <Simonft> other cd's work
[01:18] <Simonft> such a music cd's
[01:19] <Roey> Hi!  Question:  i can get 'wacdump /dev/wacom' working fine in a pty console, but in an X terminal it doesn't report anything.  What's up with this?
[01:27] <matt____> i can i install linux to a flashdrive? I'm wanting the ophcrack live cd to a flash drive...
[01:27] <matt____> for bootable flash drive i mean
[01:29] <sacha_> ophcrack? this is kubuntu
[01:29] <sacha_> anyway, there are heaps of livecds that install on to flash drives
[01:30] <sacha_> i think slax is the best. it has this copy2ram feature which copies the entire flash to RAM and then you can take out the flash and still run linux (only from RAM)
[01:30] <sacha_> you can stick the flash back in later to save the changes you made
[01:32] <PovAddict> can I configure which users are allowed to shutdown the system?
[01:32] <matt____> sacha_: exactly what i'm wanting, but HOW to install to flashdrive is what i need.
[01:33] <sacha_> matt____: d/l the slax file
[01:33] <sacha_> matt____: copy it to your flash drive and then run the makebootable.sh script
[01:33] <sacha_> thats it
[01:34] <matt____> sacha_: oh....gotcha. i was thinking of dealing with isos...the ophcrack live cd is an iso that runs off slax, though. so it'd be easier, if possible, to do it that method...but i'll look into the slax method
[01:35] <matt____> sacha_: and does the slax usb come with a gui? fluxbox i believe it's called?
[01:35] <Choreboy> HALP! Kubuntu no worky.
[01:36] <sacha_> matt____: kde
[01:36] <PovAddict> Choreboy: you gotta be a lot more specific than that
[01:36] <Choreboy> PovAddict: I know :-\ I just don't know what's wrong. It won't load up like it did yesterday. Network config isn't loading, Power management isn't loading correctly, etc.
[01:36] <matt____> sacha_: alright..i'll give it a try. after i boot from it, i suppose that i can install ophcrack to it can't i?
[01:37] <PovAddict> can I configure which users are allowed to shutdown the system? with my current config, looks like any logged-in user can
[01:38] <sacha_> matt____: i guess so
[01:38] <Choreboy> Can anyone tell me if there's a way to possibly undo anything I might have done to cause this loading problem?
[01:39] <sacha_> matt____: ophcrack probably uses same install method tho, if its based off slax
[01:39] <sacha_> just copy to flash and run script
[01:39] <matt____> sacha_: umm...it's an iso, a bootable disk. but there are ways to take iso.s and put them on usb.
[01:40] <sacha_> matt____: should have a .tar.gz version
[01:40] <sacha_> http://www.slax.org/get_slax.php <-- see an iso and a tar version?
[01:41] <matt____> sacha_: tar.bz2, but its just the source
[01:41] <sacha_> source? are you sure?
[01:41] <matt____> make, install, all the regular files
[01:41] <Choreboy> Anyone? I have to fix this or Kubuntu stays no-worky, and for some reason I can't configure LILO to let me boot to windows
[01:41] <sacha_> matt____: you looked inside/
[01:42] <matt____> sacha_: of the iso?
[01:42] <Roey> hi
[01:42] <Roey> Hi!  Question:  i can get 'wacdump /dev/wacom' working fine in a pty console, but in an X terminal it doesn't report anything.  What's up with this?
[01:43] <sacha_> matt____: the tar
[01:44] <tamir> is there still mythtv in repos ?
[01:44] <matt____> sacha_: yes, i've looked inside, besides, its about 202kb
[01:45] <matt____> sacha_: take a look for yourself http://ophcrack.sourceforge.net/
[01:46] <sacha_> k thats weird
[01:46] <sacha_> maybe the .exe isntalled gives the option
[01:46] <Roey> tamir?? אתה ישראלי?
[01:47] <sacha_> woah back to front
[01:48] <Roey> anyone here use Wacom tablets?
[01:48] <Sean[1]> Hi, I have been trying to install Kubuntu 8.04 Remix and I keep getting an error during the install.  Is there a log file somwhere I can get more information from.
[01:52] <dwidmann> Sean[1]: where do you get the error and what does it say?
[01:53] <dwidmann> Choreboy: if you've done any upgrading or such recently, sudo apt-get -f install may do something
[01:54] <Sean[1]> Let you know in a sec what exactly it says as I am trying again.  But it is along the lines of Failed copying files and there may be something wrong with the CD or HD.  Burned the CD twice.  And Ubuntu 8.04 installed fine so not sure what is going on.
[01:59] <Sean[1]> Happens around 40%, Failed to copy files; faulty CD/DVD or Hard Disk.  Errno 5 - Input/output error
[02:00] <will01> im tryin to connect my bluetooth headset to my computer and use it for skype, is there any simple/graceful way of doing this?
[02:02] <wirechief> will01: i dont know bluetooth, not sure if it is alsa but if so the devs in #alsa might be able to help
[02:02] <will01> alright
[02:02] <inavat> I installed flickrfs.  I'm reading the "install on ubuntu" instructions on the flickrfs page, and they say (after apt-get'ting a bunch of stuff) to do sudo chmod 755 /usr/bin/fusermount.  The problem is I don't have an /usr/bin/fusermount.   then it says to run "python flickrfs.py", but I have no idea where flickrfs.py is supposed to be, or if I even have it
[02:05] <[Relic]> Q -> trying to install 64bit mode but want to keep one partition on the HD the last one if I delete the first two and install 64bit will that solve the grub error problems I had with previous attempts where I didn't delete the first 2 partitions?
[02:06] <Feijo_BR> can I change my swap part. size?
[02:07] <wirechief> Relic that depends there is a new e2fs now that gives a different byte size and keeps users from dual booting under certain condiditons
[02:07] <wirechief> Relic there is a known bug on it.
[02:09] <[Relic]> wirechief, I tried ext3 like the existing one for the / partition.   Also I am not dual booting, it simply gives me a grub error and won't load anything
[02:10] <wirechief> !grub
[02:10] <Dr_willis> Feijo_BR,  you want more or less swap?
[02:11] <Feijo_BR> less
[02:11] <wirechief> Relic maybe help there
[02:11] <Feijo_BR> currently 1300mb
[02:11] <Annirak> I had a headless machine go down today because its DHCP lease expired and it didn't renew.  I can't guarantee that its lease had actually expired.  What I do know for sure is that running dhclient on the appropriate interface solved the problem.  How do I stop this problem from happening in future?
[02:11] <Ketrel_> I'm having a weird issue with synaptic, when it seems to sit forever when downloading, but manually running the apt commands work fine.
[02:11] <wirechief> Annirak its a setting in your router
[02:12] <sFEARs> natius maximus
[02:12] <Annirak> wirechief:  The machine is connected directly to my ISP's DSL modem.
[02:13] <sFEARs> we need to edit that /etc/fstab file to automatically mount your windows partition everytime you boot
[02:13] <wirechief__> hmm lost the channel but internet was not down
[02:13] <nate_> yep sure do, ya want me to copy it?
[02:13] <psyco> anyone know if there is an LM-SENSORS channel?
[02:13] <sFEARs> !pastebin.. past the contents of what's in there now to pastebin
[02:13] <sFEARs> !pastebin
[02:13] <sFEARs> wtf? hold on
[02:14] <sFEARs> paste it there
[02:15] <nate_> where at it german
[02:15] <_ZeuZ_> !usplash art > _ZeuZ_
[02:16] <_ZeuZ_> somebody asked the last day on how to create a theme for usplash, anyone could guide me to that tutorial?
[02:16] <Ketrel_> netsplit?
[02:16] <wirechief__> yes
[02:16] <Walzmyn> whoa
[02:16] <_ZeuZ_> nevermind, found it...
[02:16] <psyco> anyone here good with sensors??
[02:17] <psyco> like lm-sensors*
[02:17] <psyco> its says "cpu temp=32C and "temp3"=63C
[02:17] <psyco> what could temp 3 be??
[02:17] <Walzmyn> what kind of sensors?
[02:17] <Feijo_BR> video?
[02:18] <psyco> Like MB temperature sensors
[02:18] <Feijo_BR> or HD
[02:18] <Feijo_BR> most likely video
[02:18] <psyco> 0.o??
[02:18] <Walzmyn> I'd think you'd need to look at your hardware's documentation
[02:18] <wirechief__> psyco maybe man Im-sensors if thats what your using
[02:18] <Dr_willis> some mbs have sensors around them.
[02:18] <Dr_willis> 63c seems a tad warm. :)
[02:19] <psyco> lol yeah, i'm trying to think what temp 3 could be....
[02:19] <Dr_willis> I wonder if not one right under the cpu, or some other chipset.
[02:19] <wirechief__> very warm
[02:19] <Dr_willis> or it ocould be the data is incorrect. - double check it with what the bios screens show
[02:19] <BluesKaj> that was one bad spli there ..haven' t seen that in a while
[02:19]  * Feijo_BR love astroempires game...
[02:20] <psyco> Dr_willis: this computer I bought is uber crap, HP and I can't get into bios...
[02:20] <wirechief__> i think there are sometimes two one underneath and one in or near cpu (dont know though)
[02:20] <Dr_willis> I was thinking one under the cpu, and perhaps one on the north/southbridge chips
[02:20] <Walzmyn> psyco whatta you mean you can't getinto the bios?
[02:20] <psyco> Like I just can't, it totally skips the whole thing and goes straight to grub,
[02:21] <psyco> its a damn HP model >..>
[02:21] <psyco> unless there is another way to get in?
[02:21] <BluesKaj> psyco, before it gets to grub , hit the F1 Or F2 key repeatedly
[02:21] <psyco> Ok i'll try those. My other computers used F8 and delete
[02:21] <Walzmyn> psyco I'm sure there's a way, check the documentation for the key but f1 or f2 as it's starting up should ge tyou in
[02:21] <Ketrel_> If I need to use a different version of gcc and g++ how do I run the make file?
[02:21] <BluesKaj> or even delete ob some pcs
[02:21] <psyco> Brb
[02:22] <psyco> gonna try different keys
[02:22] <Walzmyn> just beat on keys as it starts
[02:22]  * Walzmyn grins
[02:22] <sFEARs> i've had success throwing my laptop against a brick wall a few times, seems to work well
[02:22] <wirechief__> anyone with shutdown issues with ATI fglrx drivers ?
[02:22] <Walzmyn> hmm, this one is too new
[02:23] <BluesKaj> well now , if he didn'tknow how to get into the BIOS , maybe he shouldn't be fooling around in there :)
[02:23]  * sFEARs has not had shutdown issues with fglrx drivers, using nvidia
[02:23] <wirechief__> i have problem with kubuntu shutting down it hangs to blank screen with fglrx installed
[02:23] <Walzmyn> BluesKaj, good call, but it is just an hp
[02:24] <BluesKaj> mines an HP :>
[02:24] <Walzmyn> wirechief_, i'm having that issuse when i logout (ie to change user) but not shutting down - using nvidia
[02:24] <Walzmyn> BluesKaj, my appoligies
[02:24] <wirechief__> Walzmyn i have to use RSEIUB to reboot
[02:24] <BluesKaj> Walzmyn, :)
[02:24] <Dr_willis> Ive seen similer issues. - I fixed one box by setting gdm/kdm to 'always restart x server' in their configs.. I forrget where/how i learned that however.
[02:25] <Walzmyn> wirechief_, what is RSEIUB?
[02:25] <Walzmyn> Dr_willis, probably some .conf file in ./kde
[02:25] <Ketrel_> If I have more than one version of g++ and gcc, how do I run make using a specific version?
[02:25] <NewBerner> how should i fix blurry fonts on hardy? googling doesn't seem to help
[02:25] <BluesKaj> darn, I dumped FF and I had that site bookmarked that has the ati hang on shutdown fix
[02:25] <wirechief__> Walzmyn its a trick to shutdown a hung system useing ctrl alt sysrq then R and same for the rest
[02:26] <psyco> yay
[02:26] <psyco> Thanks guys
[02:26] <Walzmyn> wirechief_, ah, that could be helpful - what is the sysrq key?
[02:26] <psyco> Bad news >.> my cpu runs at 63. WHY IS IT ME.
[02:26] <psyco> Every CPU I have run over 60
[02:26] <psyco> :@
[02:26] <sFEARs> nate_?
[02:26] <wirechief__> also known as Raising Skinny Elelaphants Is Uterly Boring
[02:26] <Walzmyn> psyco, so does mine on my desktop
[02:26] <Dr_willis> Walzmyn,  this was a kdm setting.  so it was kdmrc (i think)  - I saw it in the comments in the file once. i recall.
[02:27] <psyco> Everyone else? What temp does your CPU run at?
[02:27]  * Walzmyn laughs at wirechief_
[02:28] <sFEARs> 98.6 degress, #5 is alive you know
[02:28] <wirechief__> Walzmy try googling that, it is really a old trick
[02:28] <nate_> yep im back
[02:28] <nate_> what did i miss
[02:28] <sFEARs> nada..
[02:28] <Dr_willis> You missed the free food.
[02:28] <Dr_willis> :)
[02:28]  * wirechief__ my skinny elephant works well in kubuntu
[02:29] <psyco> sFEARs: Why are you not on fire yet ?!?!?
[02:30] <sFEARs> pastebin the contents of your fstab file so i can check it out
[02:30] <nate_> how do i pastebin
[02:30] <psyco> well that solves my worries
[02:30] <psyco> I can go up to 85 ^^
[02:30] <psyco> night everyone and thanks
[02:31]  * sFEARs is anti-spontaneously-combustible?
[02:32] <BluesKaj> lights go out ?
[02:32] <sFEARs> it's one of my superpowers, don't be jealous
[02:33] <wirechief__> nate paste can be done with this too curl -F file=@~/$USER/etc/apt/fstab
[02:33] <nainef> quick question....
[02:34] <nainef> have they rate limited the repos?
[02:34] <stdin> no
[02:34] <nate_> thanks wirechief but im brand new so ......
[02:34] <Roey> Hi
[02:34] <Dr_willis> a lot of the repos are having issues right now it seems
[02:34] <Roey> Does Toutube.com work under kubuntu x86_64 ?
[02:34] <BluesKaj> gamerzz .. bah humbug :)
[02:34] <wirechief__> nate thats ok copy that to a notebook for later
[02:34] <Roey> *Youtube.cojm
[02:34] <Roey> *Youtube.com
[02:35] <nainef> ok just making sure.. cause I have never downloaded 17meg slower :)
[02:35] <FenixReign> you not a gamer     I take it  BluesKaj??
[02:35] <sFEARs> how are you making out with the pasting nate_?
[02:36] <BluesKaj> I tried FenixReign, but they're just too phoney-cartoony , guess i'm getting old :)
[02:36] <sFEARs> notice how if your name is typed the line shows up a different color, so if your addressing someone specifically nate_ make sure you type there name in somewhere
[02:36] <nate_> man i have no idea what your talkin about
[02:37] <FenixReign> BluesKaj, old??
[02:37] <hall> I need help. With 7.10 and 8.04 at first my Dell 2007 displays at 1680x1040 but goes to 640x480. I can't use system settings to get original settings.
[02:37] <sFEARs> alright.. let me know if you get lost.. alt+f2 "kate /etc/fstab" and then !pastebin nate_
[02:37] <BluesKaj> yup, I'm an old retired guy ,FenixReign
[02:37] <sFEARs> !pastebin nate_
[02:38] <sFEARs> ubottu.. why do you despise me
[02:38]  * ubottu because...............................Satan.
[02:38] <FenixReign> BluesKaj, 60 is the new 50....
[02:38] <sFEARs> !pastebin
[02:38] <BluesKaj> yeah sure ..I don't buy that BS be a good consumer hype :)
[02:38] <sFEARs> copy the contents of the /etc/fstab file & use that website.. then give me the address that website gives you nate_
[02:39] <FenixReign> hehehe
[02:39] <FenixReign> don't feel bad... I feel like I'm 50
[02:39] <nate_> its in german so i doont know where to go sfears
[02:40] <BluesKaj> FenixReign, I got a cold , so I'm not up to par tonite
[02:40] <sFEARs> ohhh.. i was wondering what you meant by german.. haha
[02:40] <FenixReign> everyone around me has a cold today!!!
[02:40] <BluesKaj> very seldom ger colds
[02:40] <sFEARs> alright.. let me get the correct address?
[02:41] <FenixReign> Nyquil baby!!! good stuff!
[02:41] <sFEARs> moderator, why the hell is the pastebin link in german? wtfman?
[02:41] <BluesKaj> FenixReign, you're on satellite eh ?
[02:41] <PovAddict> can I configure which users are allowed to shutdown the system? with my current config, looks like any logged-in user can
[02:41] <sFEARs> http://paste.ubuntu.com use that nate_
[02:41] <Dr_willis> !info pastebinit
[02:42] <BluesKaj> yeah, I dropped a couple Tylenol xtras , feel a bit better
[02:42] <anfeara> hola
[02:42] <FenixReign> yes
[02:42] <sFEARs> my doctor told me they work better with massive amounts of alcohol BluesKaj, and by the way, it wasn't Dr_willis
[02:43] <anfeara> donde estoy???
[02:43] <FenixReign> BluesKaj: it sucks, but only thing I got in the country.
[02:43] <Dr_willis> Take the Blue Pill!
[02:43] <FenixReign> ha ha ha
[02:43] <sFEARs> donde estoy los pantelones?
[02:44] <anfeara> bay
[02:44] <BluesKaj> FenixReign,, beats dialup tho :)
[02:44] <sFEARs> nate_ making progress?
[02:44] <BluesKaj> I still have mine on . sFEARs
[02:45] <nate_> here it is http://paste.ubuntu.com/10852/  .....maybe
[02:46] <sFEARs> yup.. that was it, alright, let's add your windows partition to it, first we need to find out the physical location of the ntfs partition, from a konsole "alt+f2" "konsole" type "sudo fdisk -l" and put in your password, then paste the output of that to pastebin,
[02:47] <sFEARs> or just figure out which /dev/hd your ntfs partition resides on
[02:48] <BluesKaj> nate , just do a , df -h in the terminal
[02:48] <will01> is there a support irc for skype?
[02:49] <sFEARs> yes.. df -h
[02:50] <nate_> its id 7?
[02:50] <nate_> where does df -h go
[02:50] <sFEARs> need the /dev/hd address
[02:50] <sFEARs> df -h in a konsole
[02:51] <wirechief__> will01: i dont think so are you  having audio problems ?
[02:51] <BluesKaj> or system settings>advanced>disk&file systems
[02:51] <sFEARs> df -h proally won't work becuase it's not mounted yet
[02:51] <sFEARs> but lets check it out anyway
[02:51] <FenixReign> BluesKaj: See FAP sucks....
[02:51] <nate_> exacttl
[02:51] <nate_> y
[02:51] <will01> wirechief_ im having issues getting my bluetooth headset to work
[02:52] <wirechief__> will01: ok hmm no other headset that is working ?
[02:52] <wirechief__> will01: ok just the bluetooth one is having problems then ?
[02:53] <will01> wirechief_ iv only got one headset, but it works fine using speakers and mic
[02:53] <nate_> dev/hbd1
[02:53] <BluesKaj> won't df -h tell you waht you do have mounted , so by the process of elimination...
[02:53] <will01> wirechief_ yea
[02:53] <nate_> hdb1
[02:53] <wirechief__> will01: i wonder if it shows up with lsusb
[02:54] <will01> wirechief_ nope i dont think so
[02:54] <wirechief__> will01:  its usb connected , right ?
[02:55] <sFEARs> alright nate_ make a folder somewhere, usually in the / directory, name it whatever you want "sudo mkdir /name_of_windows_folder" this is where your C drive will show up, you can name it "sudo mkdir /C" if you'd like
[02:55] <Roey> hi, I have exactly this issue:  http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=4810FC58.5030108%40gmx.com&forum_name=linuxwacom-discuss  <-- any thoughts?
[02:55] <Roey> anyone else know abotu this??
[02:55] <will01> wirechief_ the adapter is yes, and i think that showed up
[02:55] <sFEARs> sudo = Super User Do : mkdir = make directory : /name_of_folder = location & folder name
[02:55] <sFEARs> easy
[02:55] <will01> wirechief_ yes it did
[02:56] <Dr_willis> Bash Basics! :)
[02:56] <crash> I have a .patch file for a hardware driver, but not a clue about how to install it
[02:56] <wirechief__> well i would do some google with some key words from that see what you pull up
[02:56] <andrew_> When I try to play an FLV file in mplayer, the player just exits
[02:57] <crash> most of it had to do with programming, way above my level
[02:57] <wirechief__> will01:  well i would do some google with some key words from that see what you pull up
[02:57] <will01> wirechief_ i tried that and sifted through forums for a while and eventually came here
[02:58] <igor__> kubuntu 7.10 rules
[02:58] <igor__> juhuhuh
[02:58] <BluesKaj> andrew_, not sure but flv might work on vlc
[02:58] <andrew_> When I try to play an FLV file in mplayer, the player just exits
[02:58] <nate_> done
[02:58] <sFEARs> "/dev/hdb1 /name_of_folder ntfs defaults 0 0"  then add that line to your /etc/fstab file and when you reboot you will have all your windows files in there
[02:58] <andrew_> oops
[02:59] <andrew_> I meant to say "awwww, I hate vlc"
[02:59] <andrew_> but I hit up
[02:59] <wirechief__> will01:   that guide http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/bluetooth-guide.xml didnt help ?
[02:59] <BluesKaj> why , if it works , andrew_ ..
[02:59] <sFEARs> i can show you the manual way to mount the drive as well, it's not hard
[02:59] <andrew_> BluesKaj: I never liked the interface :\
[03:00] <sFEARs> basically the same thing "sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /name_of_folder"
[03:00] <crash> Anyone have thoughts on installing a driver patch?
[03:01] <jeiworth> hi there
[03:02] <wirechief__> will01: that does get pretty technical, no apparent simply way that i can see but maybe some of those commands might be of some insight.
[03:02] <will01> wirechief_ thanks
[03:05] <wirechief__> will01: dont giveup, keep picking at it and you will get it.
[03:05] <igor__> how can I watch TV on kubuntu?
[03:05] <igor__> i have TV card
[03:05] <will01> wirechief_ i know i will, its just the little differences that drive me nuts sometimes
[03:05] <nate_> said i cant save to etc//kate
[03:06] <wirechief__> will01: when you get done with all that gentoo doc youll have a lot of knowledge on how bluetooth works ;)
[03:07] <will01> i know, i struggled with installing gentoo on my system but i kept getting too many broken packages
[03:07] <sFEARs> that's because we didn't open with access.. from the alt+f2 type (not sure if this will work in kubuntu) gksu kate /etc/fstab, it should prompt for a password, you will then be able to save to places other than your home folder
[03:07] <rapha> l
[03:07] <PovAddict> can I configure which users are allowed to shutdown the system? with my current config, looks like any logged-in user can
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> PovAddict: I think its in systemsettings->advanced->login manager
[03:07] <wirechief__> will01: i understand something i have been meaning to do, its good stuff, really gets down to the very ground with linux
[03:08] <sFEARs> PovAddict, you can probably add that in the users control panel
[03:08] <will01> yes it does
[03:08] <PovAddict> nosrednaekim: that only lets me choose "everyone" and "nobody", with respect to shutting down from the login screen
[03:09] <nate_> noo it doesnt know the command
[03:09] <nosrednaekim> you sure?
[03:09] <sFEARs> i'm not sure what the kde gksu command is, anybody?
[03:09] <PovAddict> once a user logs in, he can go to K menu -> logout -> shutdown (and the setting to remove shutdown from the logout box is a per-user setting that the user himself can change!)
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> kdesudo
[03:10] <rapha> whats the command for see my IP?
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> PovAddict: heh
[03:10] <wirechief__> i have a bug with ATII fglrx and kubuntu, i cannot do a restart or shutown, it locks up any ideas for a hot fix ?
[03:10] <sFEARs> thanks nosrednaekim, nate_ "kdesudo kate /etc/fstab"
[03:10] <PovAddict> rapha: ifconfig
[03:10] <sFEARs> i'd write that down, kdesudo, you will use that a lot
[03:10] <will01> wirechief_ might i need to uncomment things in the /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf?
[03:11] <nate_> could not run specified command
[03:12] <sFEARs> alright, from a konsole try sudo kate /etc/fstab
[03:12] <sFEARs> wirechief_, might be some kind of irq conflict?
[03:13] <sFEARs> i think i've had a problem like that before, not sure how i fixed it though, irq rings a bell
[03:13] <wirechief__> will01:  i would first try manual commands to see what happens where is says
[03:13] <wirechief__> If you did not edit /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf)
[03:13] <wirechief__> # rfcomm connect 0 00:0A:0B:0C:0D:0E 1
[03:13] <nate_> i did that
[03:14] <Jack3> my kubuntu is going realy slow it seems, but my system is should be able to handle it. 512mb ram pentium 4 2.8ghz
[03:14] <Jack3> fresh install
[03:14] <PovAddict> Jack3: what video card do you have?
[03:14] <sFEARs> alright, that should mount your /dev/hdb1 partition to the /name_of_folder everytime you boot
[03:14] <wirechief__> sFEARS i can shutdown from a terminal ok
[03:14] <sFEARs> to mount it without a reboot, sudo mount /dev/hdb1 /name_of_folder
[03:15] <wirechief__> sFEARS its some conflict with xserver and fglrx
[03:15] <sFEARs> let me check something wirechief_
[03:15] <Jack3> PovAddict, geforce 5200
[03:15] <PovAddict> Jack3: did you install the "restricted drivers"?
[03:15] <Jack3> yes im having troubles with that at the moment
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> Jack3: run "free -m" from the terminal and see what the second line says for memory in use
[03:16] <Jack3> it says its in use, and i go to nvidia-settings, but it says something about im not using the nvidia config for xserver
[03:16] <wirechief__> fglrx just causes hang problems in Kbuntu, it works fine in my other distros
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> wirechief__: hang on logout?
[03:16] <Jack3> so i type the nvidia-xconfig command in root and restart X but it gives the same error
[03:16] <PovAddict> Jack3: did you *reboot* after installing the drivers?
[03:16] <wirechief__> nosrednaekim: yes
[03:16] <PovAddict> I think just an X restart is enough, but...
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> wirechief__: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24/+bug/118605/
[03:17] <Jack3> PovAddict, yes
[03:17] <richard_> yesterday someone helped me to use Konsole to acces a program called something kat, I needed it to try to run a command line,could someone tell me what goes before kate?e
[03:17] <richard_> kate
[03:18] <Jack3> nosrednaekim, total 503 used 487 free 16 and for -/+ buffers/cache 309 used 193 free
[03:18] <PovAddict> richard_: just type 'kate' and it opens
[03:18] <richard_> i need to acces to boot file so I can try to set up dual booting using 2 hard drives
[03:18] <richard_> thank you
[03:18] <PovAddict> now that's different
[03:18] <PovAddict> if you need to edit such files, you need to run kate as root
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> richard_: kdesudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:19] <rapha> how I register my nick at this IRC Chanel?
[03:19] <nate_> is says i do not have rights to access this folder
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> !register
[03:19] <sFEARs> and you used sudo kate at the konsole
[03:19] <rapha> !register
[03:20] <PovAddict> rapha: read what ubottu said
[03:20] <wirechief__> nosrednaekim: i can use RSEIUB  or use a ctrl alt f1 and do shutdown -h now
[03:20] <crash> !source
[03:20] <crash> !kernel
[03:20] <crash> sigh
[03:20] <nate_> yes i did, i see it as /dev/hdb1 if i use df -h
[03:20] <crash> how do I get the kernel source?
[03:21] <PovAddict> crash: www.kernel.org
[03:21] <billr> I have specific question about X
[03:21] <richard_> has anyone added the lines tro the boot  program to do dual booting, I have XP on the other hard drive and want to be able to select between the drives on start up
[03:21] <Jack3> PovAddict, http://pastebin.com/m2df0fcad
[03:21] <crash> rephrase: how do I get the kubuntu official kernel source
[03:21] <Jack3> thats my xorg.conf PovAddict
[03:21] <wirechief__> nosrednaekim: but changing back to vesa is what i have to do  this is not a issue with my kanotix on same hd
[03:22] <nosrednaekim> wirechief__: that bug report has a fix...
[03:22] <PovAddict> crash: see what ubottu said about !source :)
[03:22] <sFEARs> wirechief_, try adding acpi=force to your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:22] <billr> I can't reboot X by ctrl-alt-backspace
[03:22] <sFEARs> make sure you add it to the line of the kernel you boot into
[03:22] <crash> !source
[03:22] <PovAddict> crash: get the source for the apt package of the kernel
[03:22] <wirechief__> sFEAR ok
[03:22] <sFEARs> sFEARs*, all points
[03:23] <crash> so.. sudo apt-get install linuxkernel ??
[03:23] <PovAddict> go read the link
[03:23] <crash> I just did
[03:23] <nate_> sfears , and there is a lock overtop of it
[03:24] <crash> oh wait. many chapters
[03:24] <sFEARs> hummm... mabey because it's open in the other kate session?
[03:24] <PovAddict> it's apt-get source <package name>
[03:24] <PovAddict> and I don't think "linux-kernel" is the package name ;)
[03:24] <sFEARs> that usually doesn't matter, might be a kde thing
[03:24] <BluesKaj> sacktime here ...nite all
[03:25] <billr> night BluesKaj
[03:25] <crash> exactly why im trying to hunt down the package name for the kernel version that kubuntu 8 is on
[03:25] <PovAddict> well look what kernel package you have installed
[03:25] <PovAddict> you surely have one don't you...
[03:25] <nate_> only konversationn is open
[03:25] <richard_> thanks for the info
[03:25] <crash> Indeed I must..
[03:26] <crash> and I should have thought of that solution :x
[03:26] <crash> thanks tho
[03:26] <richard_> has anyone set up dual boot 2 hard drives?
[03:26] <wirechief__> nosrednaekim: i have tried update-rc.d -f atieventsd remove  (it was suppose to help) but not in my case
[03:26] <sFEARs> maybe "sudo kate" then once it's running open "/etc/fstab"?
[03:26] <PovAddict> crash: aptitude search "linux-image~i"
[03:26] <sFEARs> make sure your at konsole & "sudo kate"
[03:26] <sFEARs> that should open kate with admin
[03:27] <billr> Kiss me Kate works too - but only if you're John Wayne
[03:27] <crash> um
[03:27] <crash> Dude
[03:27] <crash> You'll never belive this
[03:27] <jeiworth> anyone here also has problems burning dvd-iso's with k3b since upgrading to 8.04? i only just tested 2 different isos 2 times each and everytime it burns around 200mb, freezes for ca. 30?sec and then curiously enough tells me that burning was succesful :-/
[03:27] <crash> but the package name is linux-soure
[03:27] <richard_> the
[03:28] <PovAddict> crash: surprise
[03:28] <sFEARs> damn those linux developers making thing easy!, who do they think we are? average users? how dare they!
[03:28] <PovAddict> lol
[03:28] <billr> "Linux-source" or "linux-soure'?
[03:28] <wirechief__> lol
[03:28] <nate_> sudo kate didn't ask for a password and it is empty.....sfears
[03:28] <crash> linux-source
[03:29] <crash> its not nice to point out my massive typos.
[03:29] <stdin> erm, don't use sudo with GUI apps...
[03:29] <sFEARs> pasword saves for 2 min or something, file/open/etc/fstab
[03:29] <billr> I thought it might have been french
[03:29] <crash> nate_: typing sudo one time in the console saves that login for all future sudo commands in that session
[03:30] <nate_> cool
[03:30] <PovAddict> crash: if you don't use sudo for some minutes it will "forget" the pw and ask it again next time
[03:30] <stdin> kdesudo does the same, fyi
[03:30]  * crash settles in to wait for the archive to get off its but and start sending me data
[03:30] <sFEARs> i'm not sure why kdesudo didn't work from alt f2
[03:30] <sFEARs> there's a frustration thing.. took us all that time just to figure out how to save a file
[03:30] <stdin> depends what you told it to do
[03:30] <billr> I'm not sure why ctrl-alt-backspace isn't working right
[03:31] <crash> good lord the linux source must be huge.
[03:32] <wirechief__> sFEARs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/209324 this looks like my posting of this issue, aka cat in a tree
[03:32] <billr> anyone every have a problem with restarting X?
[03:32] <billr> hmmmm
[03:32] <billr> thanks ubottu
[03:32] <wirechief__> billr: only with fglrx
[03:32] <billr> which I have
[03:32] <billr> that answers that
[03:33] <wirechief__> see the bug
[03:33] <wirechief__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/209324
[03:33] <billr> aahhh... get the Raid!
[03:33] <wirechief__> bilr a workaround is to use RSEIUB
[03:34] <wirechief__> sure doesnt say much for using fglrx and Kubuntu or Ubuntu
[03:35] <nate_> how can i unlock the folder it just created?
[03:36] <[1]Jack3> okay something is messed up
[03:36] <[1]Jack3> i have 2 apps open, say one is kate one is firefox, if kate is above firefox and i click on firefox, kate is still in front, until i click the blue top bar of firefox then firefox comes forward
[03:36] <[1]Jack3> how do i stop this. it is sooo annoying
[03:36] <billr> wirechief: I'm not familiar with RSEIUB
[03:37] <nate_> how did i lock the folder i just created
[03:37] <wirechief__> well google will give more information but you can ctrl alt SysRq R  and do the rest the same way and it will reboot without busting your filesystem do to a power down.
[03:38] <billr> wirechief: thanks
[03:38] <wirechief__> billr you need big hands
[03:38] <PovAddict> [1]Jack3: you can make it "raise on click" on settings
[03:38] <crash> my download has stalled. this displeases me.
[03:39] <sFEARs> kdesudo kate /etc/fstab
[03:39] <sFEARs> doesn't ctrl+alt+f1 work billr
[03:39] <sFEARs> sorry.. does*
[03:39] <sFEARs> then ctrl+alt+f7 bring you back
[03:39] <sFEARs> did acpi work wirechief_ ?
[03:40] <billr> sFEARs: haven't tried that recently - worked a few days ago ... brb
[03:40] <wirechief__> billr: ctrl alt f1 then shutdown -h  should work too
[03:40] <sFEARs> sorry.. nice little disconnect there
[03:40] <billr> sFEARs: those work
[03:40] <sFEARs> nate_, when you used sudo to create the folder, it gave it admin wrights, these can be changed
[03:41] <billr> Wirechief: and the login inbetween of course
[03:41] <billr> ;)
[03:41] <wirechief__> yes
[03:41] <sFEARs> i have no idea why ctrl+alt+backspace would work billr
[03:41] <sFEARs> wouldn't*
[03:41] <wirechief__> this bug bites on that sFEARs
[03:42] <billr> sFEARs: from what wirechief sent it's may be a bug related to the fglrx driver for my ATI card
[03:42] <wirechief__> locks up the RSEIUB only way out
[03:42] <sFEARs> yeah.. huge amounts of problems can be linked to proprietary graphics drivers
[03:42] <sFEARs> is your system fully updated?
[03:42] <wirechief__> billr: yes
[03:42] <sFEARs> and that apic option didn't work wirechief_
[03:43] <wirechief__> sFEARS havent tried yet
[03:43] <billr> sFEARs: it started happening after the Kubuntu update.
[03:43] <sFEARs> ohhh,
[03:43] <Jack3> how do i stop this. it is sooo annoying
[03:43] <Jack3> frick
[03:43] <Jack3> how do i kill X server from command line?
[03:43] <PovAddict> Jack3: same as any other process
[03:44] <billr> sFEARs: it went away after the KDE update to 4 but was back the second time I tried it after the upgrade
[03:44] <Jack3> i dont know the proc name though
[03:44] <sFEARs> and everything goes back to normal if you disable the restricted drivers?
[03:44] <wirechief__> rebooting now
[03:45] <crash> what the heck happened.
[03:45] <billr> sFEARs: haven't tried that yet.  Give me more than a few minutes ... ;-)
[03:45] <crash> my download was cruising along, and then it hasnt budged %2 in 20 minutes
[03:45] <sFEARs> what are you downloading crash?
[03:45] <billr> crash: sounds like it crashed and burned ... ;-)
[03:45] <crash> kernel source
[03:46] <sFEARs> netsplit perhaps?
[03:46] <bill__> bmax39
[03:46] <nate_> sfears: still sayin i do not have rights to access
[03:46] <nate_> d_Drive
[03:47] <sFEARs> open konqueror with admin, right click on the folder & set the permissions to read/write for all users
[03:47] <Jack3> can someone please tell me the X process name
[03:47] <martin_> How do I inhibit suspend (while a backup job is running)?
[03:48] <bpat1434> Hi all.  I'm having an issue here.  When I boot up (Kubuntu-KDE4) I get an warning/error box stating that kdesudo is missing arguments.  Is there something wrong, or will rebooting actually take care of this at some point?
[03:49] <sFEARs> Jack3, /usr/bin/X
[03:49] <sFEARs> process is capitol X
[03:49] <Jack3> how do i list all processes running
[03:49] <monkeybritches> ps aux
[03:49] <sFEARs> htop
[03:50] <sirmike1970md> does anybody know how to how if your logged into e-kde "enightment" to selcect a theme
[03:50] <sFEARs> any luck wirechief?
[03:50] <monkeybritches> bpat1434: Is it affecting performance?
[03:50] <sirmike1970md> elightenment
[03:50] <bpat1434> monkeybritches:  I'm not sure, I get an error when I try to use the Hardware Devices manager to enable my broadcom wireless card
[03:51] <wirechief> sF
[03:51] <wirechief> sFEARs:  BINGO
[03:51] <nate_> ok sfears, i can open it but now cant change permissions
[03:51] <wirechief> sFEARs: works now
[03:51] <monkeybritches> I recall reading about broadcom cards having problems on ubuntuforums.org. Have you tried a search there yet?
[03:51] <sFEARs> good stuff wirechief
[03:52] <sFEARs> nate_, did you use sudo to open konqueror?
[03:52] <neon> is there a way to sync ipaq under ubuntu
[03:52] <monkeybritches> Damn it
[03:52] <monkeybritches> Can't seem to read and type at the same time.
[03:52] <Jack3> guys i need a way of killing x and running a the nividia installed
[03:52] <wirechief> sFEARs: i have trouble with acpi on this machine. usually end up with noacpi too
[03:52] <nate_> yes in konsole i typed sudo konquer
[03:52] <PovAddict> what would "$KDEDIR/share/config" be in Kubuntu?
[03:52] <PovAddict>  /usr/share something?
[03:52] <nate_> and the lock went away
[03:52] <sFEARs> billr, try adding the force=apic to your /boot/grub/menu.lst file for the kernel your using
[03:52] <monkeybritches> x doesn't like to be killed.
[03:53] <sFEARs> see if that fixes your ctrl+alt+backspace issue
[03:53] <bpat1434> monkeybritches: sorry, my xchat keeps crashing.  I just rebooted, didn't get the error
[03:53] <monkeybritches> Yes, it does appear to be crashing. :(|)
[03:53] <sFEARs> if there's no lock there should be full access to that folder nate_
[03:53] <sFEARs> what exactally are you trying to do?
[03:54] <billr> sFEARs: thanks, I'll give that a whirl
[03:55] <wirechief> sFEARs: anyway to get updates to run after 3am (besides getting up and doing it ) ?
[03:55] <nate_> its full access i open konquer from the sudo konsole but not the taskbar
[03:55] <bpat1434> monkeybritches: sorry, my irc client keeps crapping out
[03:56] <bpat1434> monkeybritches: I just restarted, and it didn't show up.  Although here is another issue (will ask in general topic though)
[03:56] <bpat1434> While using the "Hardware Devices" manager, I click "enable" for my Broadcom wireless card, and my nvidia graphics card.  When adept starts up, it complains that there is already a lock in place.  How can I fix this?
[03:57] <bpat1434> ah crap... ignore that... wrong channel
[03:57] <sFEARs> yeah wirechief, i'm pretty sure you can, let me try to find the name of the program
[03:58] <wirechief> k
[03:58] <sFEARs> is there some kind of option in synaptic to set up timed updates maybe?
[03:58] <wirechief> having satelite is hard on sleep habits;)
[03:59] <wirechief> i was thinking a cron job but not sure how that would play out
[03:59] <wirechief> maybe need a script to be run
[04:01] <wirechief> i think im using adept
[04:01] <wirechief> kuuntu
[04:01] <sFEARs> ohh yeah, i keep forgetting which room i'm in
[04:01] <wirechief> sleep is coming on..
[04:01] <wirechief> well thats ok, i ll check back later maybe toomorow and see ya
[04:01] <sFEARs> but, but, family guy is on
[04:02] <sFEARs> later
[04:02] <mauro> Error Starting up. acpi=force is required to enable ACPI. then blue screen
[04:02] <wirechief> thanks for the bug fix with fglrx though , now i will have to update my entry on bug regport ;)
[04:02] <nate_> im goin to bed g'night all]
[04:02] <sFEARs> blue screen?
[04:02] <wirechief> gn8
[04:03] <sFEARs> yeah yeah
[04:03] <mauro> sFEARs: I have retrurned. Error Starting up. acpi=force is required to enable ACPI. then blue screen
[04:04] <AndreSTC> how do i format one cd-rw?
[04:04] <mauro> sFEARs: I have write acpi=force at the end and the problem is still happening
[04:04] <sFEARs> and you sucessfully entered acpi=force at the command line?
[04:04] <bibstha> helo, can apt use a socks proxy
[04:05] <sFEARs> maruo do you have restricted graphics drivers installed & enabled?
[04:05] <mike-kubuntu> hey, anyone know where i can get the md5 sums for the i386 dvd
[04:05] <mike-kubuntu> i've downloaded and burned multiple times and there are always cd errors
[04:05] <sFEARs> if so, disable them & see if you still have issues
[04:05] <sFEARs> what do you mean by cd errors mike-kubuntu
[04:05] <bibstha> mike-kubuntu: u can see it in the server
[04:05] <bibstha> md5sum should be there
[04:06] <sFEARs> the cd doesn't burn correctally or the cd doesn't boot after it sucessfully burns
[04:06] <mauro> sFEARs: at the command line? I have a boot menu when I star. I enter e twice and then wrote acpi=force and reboot
[04:06] <mike-kubuntu> sFears: one of em wouldn't boot
[04:06] <mauro> i do not know if i have restricted graphics installed
[04:07] <mike-kubuntu> sFears: the next two failed while installing and stated it was usually a bad cd error
[04:07] <mike-kubuntu> sFears: one around 70%, the other around 20
[04:07] <mike-kubuntu> also everywhere that offers the i386 cd seems to be down, i get file cannot be downloaded contact the server administrator on the mirrors
[04:07] <bibstha> mike-kubuntu: u using kubuntu dvd?
[04:08] <mauro> sFEARs: i do not know if i have restricted graphics installed
[04:08] <mike-kubuntu> bibstha: the one that wouldn't boot was the cd, the other two were the dvd
[04:08] <sFEARs> almost mauro, when you reboot, in the first 10 seconds while your computer is starting keep hitting esc untill a boot menu pops up, should give a couple options like kubuntu & recovery mode, from there at the bottom it should say press C for command line, at that command line type the "force=apic" and hit enter to boot
[04:08] <bibstha> http://ubuntu.gds.tuwien.ac.at/cdimage/releases/hardy/ has md5sums for cds
[04:08] <calcmandan> I see there is a huge update on 8.04 via Updater.  Anyone experience issues with the update or should I go for it?
[04:09] <sFEARs> mike-kubuntu, are you sure your burning the iso properly, you can't write a bootable cd like you write a regular date cd/dvd
[04:09] <Arrow> Hi all
[04:09] <sFEARs> regular data* cd/dvd
[04:09] <mike-kubuntu> sFears: using k3b
[04:09] <sFEARs> yeah
[04:09] <bibstha> mike-kubuntu: here is the md5 sum for dvd http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/ubuntu-cdimage/kubuntu/releases/hardy/release/MD5SUMS
[04:10] <mike-kubuntu> thanks, i'll chedck it against mine
[04:10] <mauro> sFEARs: Yes, i have this options. If i enter in Kubuntu the msg is written in the screen and then appears the blue screen. If i enter in recovery mode i have no problem
[04:10] <sFEARs> mike-kubuntu,
[04:10] <sFEARs> in k3b, under tools, use the burn iso option
[04:10] <mike-kubuntu> sFears: yeah, been doin it that way with verify burn
[04:10] <crash> ok, I need a hand on this one. How the heck do I use a .patch file to update a driver?
[04:10] <sFEARs> ok
[04:11] <sFEARs> i think .patch files are used on the source code before you compile crash
[04:11] <mauro> sFEARs: I have a question. Do i have to write apic=force or acpi=force?
[04:11] <sFEARs> whatever it told you that it needed
[04:11] <crash> so I have to get the b43 source code to?
[04:12] <sFEARs> did the .patch file come with a README
[04:12] <mauro> sFEARs: ok. So, should i try to write acpi=force at the command line with C? or editing with e?
[04:13] <sFEARs> C
[04:13] <sFEARs> or you can add acpi=force to your /boot/grub/menu.lst file, but you don't know if it works or not soooo....
[04:15] <Hrontore> I wonder why that there is system instability with my machine. adept and mozilla randomly quit.
[04:15] <Hrontore> I wonder if synaptic can shed anylight on this.
[04:16] <Arrow> Hi a question does Hardy have the radeonhd driver?
[04:16] <mauro> sFEARs: sudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst? But where i have to add acpi=force
[04:16] <crash> sFEARs: It did, but it contains no information. Its a patch for the b43 wifi drivers, if that provides any info
[04:17] <sFEARs> at the end of the line of the kernel that your using
[04:17] <sFEARs> are there any other text files in there, sometimes there are detailed install instructions
[04:17] <sFEARs> maybe named install, possibly in a make file
[04:17] <crash> i shall lcheck again
[04:18] <mauro> sFEARs: Sorry. But i do not know where i have to add the line
[04:19] <sFEARs> no prob mauro use pastebin  and paste your menu.lst file i'll look at it for you
[04:20] <[Relic]> wonder if going back to 7.10 would be better than wasting more time figuring out the grub read error problem
[04:20] <bibstha> did proftpd disappear in hardy?
[04:21] <bibstha> can anyone confirm if they have proftpd in their package list?
[04:21] <mauro> sFEARs: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10864/
[04:23] <sFEARs> /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-16-generic root=UUID=44784bc1-f5f6-4dc8-af96-8dd72b90b5f4 ro quiet splash... directally after that line
[04:23] <sFEARs> splash force=apic
[04:23] <sFEARs> or acip or whatever it is
[04:23] <Hrontore> anyone have teh command for listing the running processes in konsole?
[04:23] <bibstha> Hrontore: ps aux
[04:23] <bibstha> or top
[04:23] <sFEARs> or htop
[04:24] <Hrontore> bibstha: thnx
[04:24] <bibstha> sFEARs: hey can help me, see if you have proftpd in package list?
[04:26] <sFEARs> yes i do.. among about 10 others that come up with the search
[04:26] <bibstha> somethings wrong, i got main universe multivers
[04:26] <bibstha> and its not showing
[04:26] <sFEARs> i havn't upgraded to 8.04 yet
[04:27] <mauro> sFEARs: I can not find this line in the menu.lst
[04:28] <mauro> sFEARs: I found the line
[04:28] <sFEARs> it's almost at the bottom mauro,
[04:28] <sFEARs> add that option after splash
[04:29] <mauro> sFEARs: splash acpi=force.  I will reboor and then i came back
[04:31] <sFEARs> cool
[04:34] <crash> man, the more I read about this, the less I understand
[04:35] <martin_> Gah. I still can't figure out how to prevent suspend. The Guidance applet does not seem to have any relevant dcop slots, the suggested GNOME DBUS call has no receiver (obviously) and I can't figure out how to prevent it at the ACPI level; I though I should be able to put a failing script in /etc/acpi/suspend.d, but that does not seem to do it. Any ideas?
[04:36] <sFEARs> you lost me at guidance martin_
[04:37] <sFEARs> crash, not following the .patch install instructions
[04:37] <martin_> sFEARs: That's the kubuntu power manager, sitting in the tray.
[04:38] <sFEARs> i'm actually on ubuntu, i'm substituting in kubuntu today
[04:38] <lunchbox330> ok guys, i got a ktorrent problem, my torrents always stop uploading after about a minute...
[04:38] <sFEARs> are you using comcast lunchbox330 ?
[04:39] <lunchbox330> if i stop then start they go again for about a minute then stop
[04:39] <lunchbox330> nope, cox
[04:39] <sFEARs> i've heard stories of ISP's throtteling torrent uploads
[04:39] <martin_> In GNOME it is easy; there is a DBUS call org.gnome.PowerManager.Inhibit()
[04:39] <lunchbox330> i get good dl speeds though
[04:40] <mauro> sFEARs: When i reboot. After the same message appears "Unable to load the system description tables". But then appear the blue screen. I have to enter in recovery mode
[04:40] <lunchbox330> but my demonoid ratio is going down fast, is it a ktorrent thing maybe? my ports are forwarded and everything.
[04:41] <sFEARs> that's all i got for ya mauro, go back into your menu.lst file & take that option out
[04:42] <mauro> sFEARs: So, I can not fix it??
[04:42] <sFEARs> lunchbox330, you can try a different torrent program & see what happens
[04:42] <sFEARs> i'm not sure what to tell you to do mauro, we forced acpi and it didn't work
[04:43] <lunchbox330> no other programs work, they all suck and have never worked for me on multiple pcs and in multiple states
[04:43] <lunchbox330> ktorrent is the best
[04:43] <sFEARs> the only other idea i have is disabeing your restricted drivers.. but i'm not sure where to do that in KDE
[04:43] <lunchbox330> but this problem is recent
[04:43] <mauro> sFEARs: OK. Thanks. But this problem is related with the problem with the sound in my pc. Or they are different?
[04:43] <sFEARs> some where in your control panel/system settings there's a restricted drivers manager
[04:44] <sFEARs> look around for that for a while, it's in there somewhere
[04:44] <sFEARs> i wouldn't guess they are different
[04:44] <lunchbox330> deluge cant remember ratios, azureus doesnt work at all, neither does transmission (they dont upload or download)
[04:44] <sFEARs> from a konsole try alsamixer & make sure all your levels are turned up
[04:45] <lunchbox330> i think i figured it out though, i only had 2 upload slots, thanks guys
[04:45] <mauro> sFEARs: this is for me?
[04:45] <sFEARs> i don't use torrents very often lunchbox330 i'm not sure what it could be
[04:45] <sFEARs> yes mauro.. try alsamixer
[04:45] <sFEARs> it's your sound card volumes
[04:46] <mauro> sFEARs: I have to write alsamixer in a konsole?
[04:46] <sFEARs> yup
[04:46] <sFEARs> then use the arrow keys
[04:46] <mauro> sFEARs: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[04:47] <mauro> sFEARs: appear this msg
[04:47] <sFEARs> interesting
[04:48] <sFEARs> mauro, make sure your alsa sound drivers are installed
[04:49] <mauro> sFEARs: KMIX, at the bottom of the desktop appear with a red cross
[04:49] <sFEARs> click on that & make sure it's not muted
[04:49] <mauro> sFEARs: how can i check if the alsa sound drivers are installed?
[04:50] <sFEARs> search adept for alsa & see what's installed & what's not
[04:52] <sFEARs> in your k menu somewhere is adept package manager, do a search for alsa & make sure the main package is installed
[04:52] <mauro> appears a small empty window
[04:52] <mauro> sFEARs: appears a small empty window
[04:55] <mauro> if i seaaarch for alsa i does not appear nothing. Only Balsa, E-mail utility
[04:55] <mauro> sFEARs: if i seaarch for alsa i does not appear nothing. Only Balsa, E-mail utility
[04:58] <sFEARs> sorry mauro, i'm not sure what to tell you
[05:02] <mauro> sFEARs: ok. Do not worry. Thanks. I am uruguayan and i do not speak english very well. I am glad that you can understand "my english"
[05:04] <dbglt> is there a reason why when I click manage repositories, adept simply runs an update...?
[05:04] <mauro> sFEARs: i have found the alsa packages. Shoud i have to install all of them?
[05:05] <sFEARs> not all of them.. just the main driver package
[05:06] <dbglt> any  ideas?
[05:06] <mauro> sFEARs: I have installed only ALSA Mixer
[05:10] <stevenjoseph> hi all..
[05:11] <stevenjoseph> i just screwed up my kubuntu install ... removed libc6
[05:11] <stevenjoseph> any fixes
[05:12] <Hydrogen> ...
[05:12] <Hydrogen> how?
[05:13] <flaccid> stevenjoseph: why you remove?
[05:13] <stevenjoseph> i was having some errors in dpkg..
[05:13] <stevenjoseph> after installing kdm ...
[05:14] <Hydrogen> well, thats one way to get rid of them :-)
[05:14] <flaccid> hehe
[05:14] <stevenjoseph> now im stuck with  a volatile system .. cant start anything ...
[05:15] <flaccid> try google...
[05:15] <flaccid> its going to be pretty manual if you can't apt
[05:15] <stevenjoseph> looks like i'll have to use a rescue disc
[05:15] <flaccid> i guess you could copy from livecd after checking the contents of the package as long as versions match
[05:16] <flaccid> i bbs
[05:16] <stevenjoseph> ya ... or maybe some workaround using chroot ...??
[05:17] <flaccid> check out google im just getting a beer :)
[05:17] <stevenjoseph> on it already ...
[05:19] <mortici> what came after feisty?
[05:21] <Hydrogen> gutsy
[05:25] <thedanyes> hey guys
[05:25] <thedanyes> anyone know how to restrict your mouse to a single window in kde?
[05:26] <thedanyes> i'm running kubuntu 8.04
[05:26] <thedanyes> i've researched it for a couple hours but haven't come up with anything
[05:29] <thedanyes> any ideas?
[05:33] <needhelp> hi how can i copy the DAT files of a VCD and make it into DVD playable in kubuntu?
[05:35] <dthacker> thedanyes: do you mean you want your mouse to stay in one window and not be able to move outside of it to another window?
[05:35] <needhelp> !dvd
[05:38] <thedanyes> dthacker: yes!
[05:38] <thedanyes> dthacker: thanks for responding :)
[05:39] <dthacker> thedanyes: that's an unusual request.  I think the closest thing I know how to do is only make the current window active.
[05:39] <thedanyes> dthacker: well let me explain, i'm running starcraft in a wine virtual desktop, and its hard to use because the cursor always runs outside the wine virtual desktop unlike normally when you play starcraft full screen
[05:40] <thedanyes> and i would like to be able to hit alt+f3 or something and toggle mouse movement outside that single window
[05:40] <thedanyes> so that i can keep my normal desktop resolution
[05:40] <thedanyes> instead of switching to 640x480
[05:41] <thedanyes> maybe some third party app, or maybe a different desktop environment could help?
[05:41] <dthacker> thedanyes: that does make sense.  I'm poking around in Settings-Window Behavior now.
[05:41] <crweb> thedanyes: you can tell wine to grab the pointer
[05:41] <needhelp> i got a bunch of DAT files from alot of VCDs.. i want to make them into a DVD..how can i do that?
[05:41] <thedanyes> crweb: i tried setting that option in winecfg
[05:41] <thedanyes> crweb: but it doesn't seem to change anything
[05:42] <dthacker> focus stealing prevention level looks promising.
[05:42] <thedanyes> crweb: that option is apparently only for directx apps?  starcraft is opengl?
[05:43] <thedanyes> dthacker: i saw that option, but i didn't understand what it meant.
[05:43] <crweb> thedanyes: i don't think so.  did you try running with desktop = no, but without fullscreen on
[05:43] <thedanyes> crweb: ok maybe we are talking about different options.
[05:44] <thedanyes> crweb: the one i'm talking about is in winecfg on the graphics tab it says 'allow directx apps to stop the mouse leaving their window'
[05:44] <thedanyes> crweb: are you talking about a different one?
[05:44] <crweb> "DXGrab" = "Y"
[05:45] <crweb> opengl is graphics only. windows app would still probably use DirectX Input
[05:45] <thedanyes> crweb: ok. if i run without a virtual desktop, starcraft runs full screen
[05:45] <thedanyes> crweb: there is no windowed mode in starcraft
[05:45] <thedanyes> crweb: when run in its native environment
[05:46] <thedanyes> so yeah, that works, but it brings me back to having a full screen at 640x480 and my second screen blank
[05:46] <crweb> ok, so you need virtual desktop nowdays probably
[05:49] <crweb> thedanyes: you use winecfg ?
[05:49] <thedanyes> crweb: yeah
[05:49] <thedanyes> crweb: running kubuntu 8.04
[05:50] <thedanyes> crweb: wine 0.9.59 i believe
[05:51] <thedanyes> i'm looking at the focus stealing prevention setting and it doesn't seem to apply
[05:52] <crweb> the directx grab should work
[05:52] <crweb> def turn off let window manager manage the windows
[05:53] <thedanyes> crweb: yeah i've had that directx grab setting on for awhile i believe, i'll  try it again though. oh ok and i'll turn off the window manager
[05:53] <crweb> I've done it before, so i know you can ;)
[05:54] <thedanyes> oh hey
[05:54] <thedanyes> well it doesn't keep the cursor in the window still
[05:54] <thedanyes> but at least it moves the right way when my mouse is outside the window
[05:55] <crweb> yeah, thats the best you can get
[05:55] <thedanyes> so thats a reasonable solution for me i suppose.  would be great if they added a feature for that in the kde advance window settings
[05:55] <crweb> because the cursor still belongs to X11
[05:55] <crweb> would be nice if they did the vmware type thing though
[05:55] <thedanyes> yeah true
[05:55] <thedanyes> well thanks crweb and dthacker :)
[05:55] <crweb> i think that is different functionality.  Window grabbing the input
[05:56] <dthacker> np, I learned something too! :)
[06:03] <jameswf-home> Does Ububtu 8.04 use /boot/menu.list and if so why does mine show the right stuff for 8.04 but at boot it tries to load 7.10 though there is no 7.10 stuff in menu,lst... yes I have run update-grub
[06:05] <[Relic]>  /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[06:05] <jameswf-home> thats what i was goin for..
[06:05] <dbglt> Whenever I set  my font to arial in systemsettings -> appearance -> font, it pretends to do so (and the arial font shows up in the preview), but when I click apply and close systemsettings, it doesn't save my font changes... any ideas what could be wrong?
[06:07] <jameswf-home> Does Ubuntu 8.04 use /boot/grub/menu.list and if so why does mine show the right stuff for 8.04 but at boot it tries to load 7.10 though there is no 7.10 stuff in menu.lst... yes I have run update-grub
[06:07] <Carutsu> is there a program to securely delete the "free" space of a disk for linux?
[06:07] <jameswf-home> crap sorry
[06:07] <flaccid> jameswf-home: edit it manually i guess then
[06:08] <jameswf-home> every boot kinda painful
[06:08] <flaccid> just edit menu.list and the changes are permanent
[06:09] <stefan_> how do you start the default virtual machine manager in ubuntu 8.04?
[06:09] <jameswf-home> menu.list does NOT reflect the menu at boot
[06:11] <flaccid> jameswf-home: then i don't know what you have done
[06:11] <flaccid> or what ubuntu did
[06:12] <flaccid> jameswf-home: the first few entries here could be related: http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=menu.list+ubuntu+hardy&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[06:14] <flaccid> i would encourage following !bugs with this
[06:25] <Bria3> dragonsclr. KUBUNTU SUPPORT BAD!
[06:26] <Hydrogen> interesting..
[06:32] <flaccid> that was unintelligient lol
[06:39] <dwidmann> flaccid: s/unintelligient/unintelligent
[06:40] <flaccid> yeah i have a bit of a fuxed keyboard + drinking beer
[06:41] <flaccid> which i guess makes me the latter
[06:43] <dwidmann> not saying that, just saying that it was a very funny word to mispell/typo :P
[06:43] <Hydrogen> untelligent.
[06:45] <dwidmann> I'm not laughing.
[06:45] <flaccid> i agree
[06:46] <flaccid> well im lauggin at myself
[06:46] <flaccid> ^^ intentional
[06:46] <Daisuke_Ido> lies :P
[06:46]  * flaccid roflmaocopters
[06:46] <flaccid> i just made myself feel like aol. im so OT. sorry.
[06:46] <dwidmann> ..... wtf
[06:47] <flaccid> yes im crazy..
[06:53] <mike-kubuntu> hey, i'm trying to download 8.04 and i've gotten the same bad md5sum through keb on the image from several different mirrors
[06:53] <mike-kubuntu> is there anything i can do to stop the error?
[06:53] <flaccid> keb?
[06:53] <mike-kubuntu> k3b
[06:53] <mike-kubuntu> it gives you an md5sum of the image prior to burning it
[06:53] <flaccid> so you saying that the md5sums don't match, yet they should?
[06:54] <flaccid> or is it k3b giving you error in creating checksum
[06:54] <Daisuke_Ido> mike-kubuntu: are you comparing it to the right iso's md5sum?
[06:54] <mike-kubuntu> yeah, 2 times in a row i've gotten, 8895167a795c5d8dedcc312fc62f1f1f for the i386 desktop cd
[06:54] <Daisuke_Ido> uh
[06:54] <Daisuke_Ido> ...
[06:55] <ubuntu> Problem-I type in my password press enter and instead of logging in it restarts the login screen.What can I do?
[06:55] <flaccid> mike-kubuntu: please just paste the filename of the .iso
[06:55] <mike-kubuntu> but according to the md5sum information i can find its supposed to be 22eefa07792160d5b0f398024b397349
[06:55] <flaccid> ubuntu: i guess you could check logs in a tty
[06:55] <mike-kubuntu> flaccid: ubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso
[06:56] <Daisuke_Ido> 8895167a794c5d8dedcc312fc62f1f1f *ubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso
[06:56] <flaccid> thanks i'll go look a bit
[06:56] <Daisuke_Ido> there is nothing like the md5 you posted anywhere on the 8.04 md5sums page
[06:56] <mike-kubuntu> d'oh sorry, i was looking at the .metaling md5sums instead of the iso md5sums
[06:57] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[06:57] <mike-kubuntu> *metalink
[06:57] <Daisuke_Ido> there we go
[06:57] <Daisuke_Ido> so you've downloaded the right file several times in a row :D
[06:57] <flaccid> yeah um, try doing md5sum ./ubuntu-8.04-desktop-i386.iso in konsole and see if its a dif sum to what k3b reports
[06:57] <Daisuke_Ido> at least the mirrors are consistent :)
[06:57] <Daisuke_Ido> flaccid: problem fixed, nothing was giving a wrong sum
[06:57] <mike-kubuntu> lol, aff, i have my sanity back
[06:58] <flaccid> sorry it was fixed?
[06:58] <Daisuke_Ido> flaccid: he was looking at the wrong list of md5sums
[06:58] <Ayabara> Hey. I use kopete in kde4/kubuntu. When I set message notification to "flash taskbar entry", is it possible to make the alert reach me when I'm on another virtual desktop?
[06:58] <flaccid> ah ok np
[06:58] <Daisuke_Ido> turns out he had the right file (correct and complete) each time, but he was comparing to the wrong entry
[06:59] <Daisuke_Ido> it happens
[06:59] <Daisuke_Ido> not a huge deal
[06:59] <flaccid> ya
[06:59] <dwidmann> flaccid: http://www.xnowherex.com/images/youarehere.jpg
[06:59] <mike-kubuntu> yeah, thanks :-[
[07:00] <flaccid> lol true, im a bit out of it today. but im in australia, which is off the map!
[07:00] <Daisuke_Ido> wow.  i pretty much inhabit the entire southern hemisphere.
[07:00] <flaccid> its funny where facebook is..
[07:01] <Daisuke_Ido> i like the hidden continent
[07:01] <Daisuke_Ido> but having facebook there makes perfect sense.
[07:03] <flaccid> hah
[07:04] <ubuntu> What an earth is this:http://totalonline.webmode.com/
[07:04] <flaccid> a domain for sale it appers
[07:04] <mocoseco> hola
[07:05] <flaccid> howdy
[07:05] <ubuntu> It is chinese!
[07:05] <Daisuke_Ido> no
[07:05] <Daisuke_Ido> it isn't.
[07:06] <flaccid> lol so
[07:06] <flaccid> ubuntu: what country are you in?
[07:06] <ubuntu> O...k What about this one-My own site:http://totalonline.webnode.com/
[07:06] <Daisuke_Ido> closer to korean, but i still don't think that's right
[07:06] <ubuntu> Could it be translated?
[07:07] <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntu: difference between webmode and webnode
[07:07] <ubuntu> Webmode:domain for sale
[07:07] <flaccid> totalonline is a weird name. i mean if you are online you are online..
[07:07] <ubuntu> Webnode:Website making
[07:08] <Daisuke_Ido> it is korean
[07:08] <ubuntu> How did you know that?
[07:08] <Daisuke_Ido> see the text down by the email link?
[07:09] <ubuntu> Ahh...
[07:09] <Daisuke_Ido> i selected and copied that, dropped it into babelfish, and it translates from korean to english as "This mail"
[07:09] <flaccid> easiest way is to look at html sourcE: <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=euc-kr">
[07:09] <Daisuke_Ido> flaccid: i like to think of myself as macgyver for web 2.0
[07:10] <ubuntu> The red text is english?
[07:10] <Daisuke_Ido> don't take that away from me :P
[07:10] <flaccid> lol. ich bin macgyver <-- macgyver is funny in german
[07:10] <Daisuke_Ido> no, it's korean as well, but embedded in an image, so it's not as easy to translate, unless they have a really good alt text
[07:10] <ubuntu> Ohh please has anyone got their site to show me?
[07:10] <flaccid> ubuntu: this is all off-topic..
[07:11] <flaccid> im a webdev but thats beside the point :)
[07:11] <ubuntu> Yes it is...
[07:11] <Daisuke_Ido> if i pasted a link to my site, i would be chased off by half the people and i would become the other half's best friend.
[07:11] <ubuntu> Someone create a new chatroom for websites.
[07:11] <Daisuke_Ido> so...  no.
[07:11] <flaccid> ubuntu: /join #web or #html or #css or do a /list
[07:14] <ubuntu> It is not connecting...
[07:14] <flaccid> !doesntwork | ubuntu
[07:14] <flaccid> thats no good..
[07:16] <ubuntu> Kubuntu bots should be created!
[07:16] <flaccid> what would be the point ubuntu? considering there is no central kubuntu doco
[07:17] <flaccid> ubuntu: ubottu has a contextual feature based on the channel you are in which is used a bit. ie. different factoid if you are in kubuntu channel
[07:17] <ubuntu> Widgets on your desktop that tell you what to do if something  goes wrong-Kubuntu bots!
[07:17] <flaccid> sounds all well and good. but sounds like it requires a lot of intelligience...
[07:18] <flaccid> if that was possible then the 'widget' should just fix. unfortunately there are too many variables here to create such a program
[07:18] <flaccid> ubuntu: give me an example of what you could do wrong? and yeah an irc bot != a widget
[07:18] <dwidmann> embedding me in your computer screen would be illegal ubuntu ;)  So IRC will have to do.
[07:19] <flaccid> well yeah integrating irc into desktop is pretty crazy. people would not like it and its not logical
[07:19] <ubuntu> It would cover icons.....
[07:20] <ubuntu> The ones on your desktop.....
[07:20] <dwidmann> flaccid: no crazier than embedding a terminal in your desktop
[07:20] <ubuntu> Where did that come from-BANGBANG BANG!!!!!
[07:21] <ubuntu> More crazier
[07:21] <flaccid> i disagree and where is a terminal embedded to the desktop?
[07:22] <flaccid> and besides this channel is free arbitary community support. not paid professional support from verified employees.
[07:22] <Daisuke_Ido> can be done through superkaramba, i believe.
[07:22] <flaccid> thats what canonical is for..
[07:22] <flaccid> Daisuke_Ido: hmm
[07:22] <flaccid> i'll check it out!
[07:22] <flaccid> hangong, something replaces superkaramba in kde4 right
[07:22] <Daisuke_Ido> or more practical: yakuake
[07:23] <Daisuke_Ido> flaccid: plasma
[07:23] <flaccid> yeah yakuake is what i use
[07:23] <flaccid> col
[07:23] <flaccid> yeah cool
[07:23] <ubuntu> Nowhere-I managed to plase my_windows taskbar at the bottom of my screen!
[07:23] <Daisuke_Ido> yakuake is a lot more practical, i don't always have access to my desktop (i've got so many things open at one time, it's ridiculous)
[07:23] <ubuntu> Xubuntu-http://www.xubuntu.com/
[07:24] <flaccid> Daisuke_Ido: yeah just press f12 rox my sox
[07:26] <Daisuke_Ido> well, i should get sleep, my history final is in 8 hours.
[07:26] <ubuntu> BangBangBang!!!-There is that noise again!
[07:27] <Daisuke_Ido> what?
[07:27] <ubuntu> BangBangBang!!!-There is that noise again!
[07:27] <flaccid> !ot | ubuntu
[07:30] <ubuntu> Where is #xubuntu?
[07:31] <flaccid> here on freenode ubuntu
[07:31] <flaccid> you do a /join #xubuntu
[07:31] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm guessing in #xubuntu where it always has been
[07:32] <ubuntu> You no those blue bits of text are clickable?
[07:32] <ubuntu> #xubuntu
[07:33] <flaccid> it depends on what irc client you are using
[07:36] <ruhadam> selam
[07:36] <ruhadam> millet bu ubuntu beni delirtecek
[07:36] <ruhadam> bi yardımcı olurmusunzuz
[07:38] <flaccid> ruhadam: english only channel here
[07:38] <ruhadam> ubuntu webcam problem
[07:38] <ruhadam> ok turkish channel where
[07:38] <ruhadam> ?
[07:38] <flaccid> !turkish
[07:38] <flaccid> nabar lan
[07:39] <flaccid> not that i can spell or talk but i wish you luck there
[07:39] <ruhadam> selam millet
[07:39] <flaccid> np take care
[07:43] <flaccid> ok good time to test reboot and if bug is fixed bbs
[07:54] <DrUnKnMuNkY> i can't seem to disable ipv6. does anyone have any ideas?
[07:58] <flaccid> hooray i do updates which are meant to fix things and they break more things
[07:59] <flaccid> single user mode even has a ncurses bug it seems
[07:59] <Pooh22> I'm having a problem compiling digikam 0.9.4-svn (actually, the kipi libs) on hardy (-lGL missing)
[07:59] <Pooh22> any idea which package I need for that?
[08:00] <flaccid> whats the exact error message Pooh22
[08:00] <Pooh22> libgl1-mesa-dev or libglew didn't work
[08:00] <Pooh22> flaccid: hold on...
[08:00] <Pooh22> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL
[08:01] <claudio> hh
[08:01] <Pooh22> this is in libs/kipi-plugins/imageviewer
[08:01] <Pooh22> also from svn
[08:02] <flaccid> did you google
[08:02] <Pooh22> flaccid: no, not yet
[08:02] <flaccid> always do that first :)
[08:02] <flaccid> saves us doing it :p
[08:03] <Pooh22> ok, doing it now flaccid
[08:04] <flaccid> man i can't even get to single user mode. there is no way unless i boot from livecd which is ridiculous
[08:06] <flaccid> Pooh22: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=opera&rls=en&hs=qXf&q=%22%2Fusr%2Fbin%2Fld%3A+cannot+find+-lGL%22&btnG=Search
[08:06] <Pooh22> flaccid: tnx
[08:07] <flaccid> np
[08:07] <Pooh22> wow, looks like a messy fix ;-)
[08:08] <flaccid> yeah its unfortunate when its like that
[08:10] <Pooh22> it's also not quite suitable for hardy, I had to use libGL.so.169.12 instead
[08:11] <flaccid> yeah i mean im kind of sick of video related problems all round..
[08:12] <flaccid> its rare that both my notebook and desktop don't have them. and that to me is not good enough
[08:13] <wouterh> hi, I have a reproducable crash of adept_manager, how do I generate a usefull crash dump?
[08:13] <wouterh> I can't seem to get apport working on kde programs
[08:14] <flaccid> im getting sick of prop. stuff. i goto nvidia website because i need to use there driver direct and i can't even fill out the form to get the driver because they can't code web
[08:16] <flaccid> ok. now the nvidia site says no downloads for my card. this is um crap
[08:17] <bdizzle> hello?
[08:18] <flaccid> hi
[08:18] <bdizzle> hi
[08:18] <flaccid> how can we help
[08:18] <bdizzle> um, I'm trying to get Java to work under Firefox 2 (Gave up on Firefox 3 for now)
[08:18] <LilSarge> Hello, i have a quick issue
[08:19] <flaccid> !java | bdizzle
[08:19] <flaccid> !ask | LilSarge
[08:19] <LilSarge> I just upgraded from Kubuntu 7.10 to the new 8.04 or w/e it is and programs arent opening correcty. Ex: I open the update program and it hangs for a minute and closes..it never really opens
[08:20] <LilSarge> firefox doesnt even open it freezes
[08:20] <bdizzle> I have Java on Firefox saying that JRE is not installed properly, even though it is installed on the system and I can open OpenOffice, which uses Java to run.
[08:21] <flaccid> LilSarge:  you could submit a bug
[08:21] <flaccid> bdizzle: did you read and follow the above guide?
[08:22] <bdizzle> yeah, did that already
[08:23] <LilSarge> um thx
[08:23] <bdizzle> anytime I go to a website that requires Java plugins for chat rooms, it says JRE isn't installed, and Wikipedia won't load any media
[08:24] <flaccid> i don't use firefox so im sorry i can't help
[08:25] <bdizzle> okay, maybe the problem isn't JRE
[08:26] <bdizzle> I just pulled something up and got Wikipedia media to work in Konqueror
[08:26] <hi> sometimes when i login I don't have any of the normal taskbar items in the right (network, power levels etc that are important). does anyone know what might be going on or is this just normal bugginess?
[08:27] <bdizzle> well, at least got the player to load in Konqueror, but still no sound
[08:30] <flaccid> bdizzle: URI?
[08:30] <bdizzle> hmm?
[08:30] <flaccid> the URL you are testing
[08:30] <bdizzle> I'm still trying to get this to work
[08:31] <LilSarge> im about to go back to Windows Lol
[08:31] <bdizzle> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maple_Leaf_Rag
[08:31] <flaccid> sometimes windows is quite sensible
[08:31] <bdizzle> just using it as a test bed
[08:31] <bdizzle> it is loading, but loading as quicktime, not Java or VLC, both of which I have installed
[08:31]  * flaccid goes to check it out
[08:31] <hi> also a few times today, logging in gave me no desktop icons etc. it seems as soon as i get things comfy, and setup how i like, stuff starts breaking in a few weeks.
[08:32] <bdizzle> but I still have no sound in it
[08:32] <flaccid> is this the play sound button bdizzle?
[08:32] <bdizzle> I'm not sure
[08:32] <LilSarge> yes i agree, i had it all working good again and it breaks..guess i shouldnt have tried updating :(
[08:32] <bdizzle> yeah, I think click on that and it should have an internal player to play audio from
[08:33]  * flaccid goes to try
[08:33] <bdizzle> its claiming under "More" that it is using player: Quicktime (selected)
[08:33] <flaccid> bdizzle: well that is not working for me in opera
[08:33] <bdizzle> I got it to at least load in Konqueror, tells me that the player is not installed in FIrefox
[08:34] <flaccid> which means the problem may not be kubuntu but rather the website
[08:34] <flaccid> bdizzle: you are talking about testing java or javascript?
[08:34] <bdizzle> I honestly don't know
[08:35] <flaccid> bdizzle: tell me which browsers this works in please: http://www.java.com/en/download/help/testvm.xml
[08:35] <bdizzle> when I try loading the page under Firefox, it gives me the error when I click on the "Play" button: "Sorry, youre system dos not appear to have an supported players"
[08:36]  * flaccid waits
[08:36] <bdizzle> Konqueror loads it, Firefox does not
[08:37] <flaccid> well its worse on my system. only opera loads it
[08:37] <flaccid> firefox and konq try but fail
[08:37] <flaccid> you are welcome to submit a bug on this...
[08:37] <flaccid> im kind of over these bugs myself
[08:37] <bdizzle> heh
[08:37] <bdizzle> true that
[08:38] <flaccid> it gets fixed, it gets broken, it gets fixed, it gets broken. seems like a never ending cycle with the players being the community and the vendor
[08:38] <bdizzle> the only thing that I've really noticed different between Gutsy and Hardy is that in Hardy, compiz works
[08:38] <flaccid> bdizzle: that may be the result of a bug fix actually working :)
[08:39] <bdizzle> heh
[08:39] <bdizzle> but for every bug they fix, they create four more
[08:39] <hi> i'll admit, i've seen a lot more regressions in 8.04 personally.. but i wouldn't say that's generally true
[08:39] <flaccid> yes, thats what i very much dislike. as i say 'my kingdom for a stable desktop' which does not exist yet without caveats..
[08:40] <hi> lol
[08:40] <bdizzle> I keep hearing on the boards that people think Linux is ready for the mainstream and I'm thinking to myself, what are you nuts? we dont' have any commercial software backing yet
[08:40] <hi> "we dont' have any commercial software backing yet" you might be missing the point of FOSS imho
[08:40] <flaccid> thats the main problem. even the companies that try to support linux don't interact
[08:40] <hi> that's a lame benchmark for "useful"
[08:41] <bdizzle> no, I agree, its great that we have open source software
[08:41] <flaccid> well commercial backing is important when the software is commercial
[08:41] <hi> yeah, like nvidia, ati offering binary blobs for few architectures
[08:41] <flaccid> the restricted drivers are commercial
[08:41] <bdizzle> true
[08:41] <flaccid> i've become a bit of a video expert but nothing like other people and its still a massive struggle
[08:41] <flaccid> just for video
[08:42] <bdizzle> its just that a lot of people expect to be able to go to the store, buy a software title, put it in their CD rom drive, and click "install" and are happily playing their game or whatever 5 minutes later
[08:43] <hi> well, i will say there's a different paradign for even ubuntu isnt' there? i still get responses like "well i use XYX321mp3 blah blah to play mp3 at the CLI" pff... who on earth!?
[08:43] <hi> vs FOSS stuff in os-x is actually better designed than the commercial stuff
[08:43] <hi> it's interesting to see the different philosophies
[08:43] <bdizzle> true
[08:43] <hi> it's also frustrating, as i think os-x sucks :(
[08:44] <bdizzle> I mean, when I heard iTunes wasn't supported on Linux, its like, okay, what does Linux use? I found Amarok, haven't looked back since
[08:44] <hi> yet, stuff works very well (with ffmpeg beautiful installation via perian etc)
[08:44] <flaccid> os x is derived from things like freebsd which are excellent but yeah
[08:44] <hi> yeah, well i have
[08:44] <hi> since amarok doesn't open anything over the network
[08:44] <flaccid> im a power user. i have to put up with sh** everyday
[08:44] <hi> and itunes picks up playlists from other computers etc
[08:44] <flaccid> hi: it does open over network fine, if you don't have a bug :)
[08:45] <hi> well, true... but i've only got that working once
[08:45]  * flaccid is listening to Life Goes On by House of Pain on Fine Malt Lyrics-rgo [Amarok]
[08:45] <flaccid> ^^ thats over the network sorry to do it but
[08:45] <flaccid> hi: yeah bugs are important in this case because its purely open source..
[08:46] <bdizzle> eh, perhaps, but with the exception of pulling up the titles and such for incomplete music or loading the coverart, I'm not too concerned about that
[08:46] <bdizzle> although it would be cool to get some sort of streaming internet radio built into it somehow
[08:46] <flaccid> that might be more optional in amarok 2.0 hopefully
[08:46] <flaccid> bdizzle: there is streaming radio built into amarok already
[08:47] <bdizzle> there is? where?
[08:47] <flaccid> in the playlists tab
[08:47] <flaccid> a lot of digitally imported links by default..
[08:47] <bdizzle> oooh, I didn't see that there, cool
[08:47] <flaccid> coolio
[08:47] <alexbobp> Is there a way to forcibly detach non-alsa programs from my sound hardware without having to find and kill the offending processes?
[08:48] <flaccid> but in this case, you might get a no demux/input error which is said to be a bug in shoutcast server not the xine plugin to which is bloody annoying!
[08:48] <flaccid> alexbobp: i havnt found one yet as it locks the /dev/dsp or whatever..
[08:49]  * hi is listening to Mo Chailin Dileas Donn.mp3 after running mkdir /mnt/ftpfolder1 && curlftpfs ftp://<IP_ADDRESS>/music :P
[08:49] <hi> not quite the same as "click, mount" but meh... those amarok / kde bugs have been open for ages
[08:49] <LilSarge> Hmm, i think its a memory problem. Firefox works...just really slow.
[08:50] <flaccid> thats quite manual :p
[08:51] <bdizzle> I think that's another issue that is causing people to worry about Linux. Instictually, they see command line, they run
[08:52] <hi> well, for good reason
[08:52] <hi> there's *nothing* intuitive about a comman prompt
[08:52] <bdizzle> granted, I try to avoid it because I don't know what I'm doing with it and don't want to inadvertantly screw up my system (sudo or no sudo)
[08:52] <hi> it's a black window with no guidance
[08:52] <hi> a GUI has options to select from etc
[08:52] <bdizzle> but if I've got someone telling me what code to punch in, I'm safer
[08:52] <bdizzle> yeah
[08:53] <flaccid> bdizzle: without bugs kde has got that pretty much unecessary
[08:53] <flaccid> well desktop/UI theory will suggest CLI should be abstracted to the least from the user
[08:54]  * flaccid im writing a book atm on kubuntu
[08:54] <flaccid> oops
[08:54] <bdizzle> haha, someone helped me on the ubuntu forums with the java error, I think
[08:55] <hi> flaccid: subconsiously your nick / description of kde's readiness reminds me of a sex change analogy
[08:56] <hi> "without bugs, kde has got that pretty much unecessary
[08:56] <hi> it goes "Yeah, and my best friend could put on silk panties and tell me he was in the early stages of a sex change, but it doesn't mean I'd want to kiss him."
[08:56] <hi> besides, that's the motto of vaporware
[08:56] <bdizzle> sweet, I got the java error fixed!
[08:56] <hi> cool beans
[08:57] <bdizzle> it was an error in firefox, where it didn't recognize that the JRE was in fact installed
[08:57] <hi> what kind of error?
[08:57] <bdizzle> so let's see, Hardy "forgot" I had a delete key, didn't load JRE properly in firefox, and still can't load a C++ program because it compiles into an .exe
[08:57] <flaccid> hi: sex changes are usually 'hard' not 'soft'
[08:58] <bdizzle> lol
[08:58] <hi> meh, the hormones might be a gray area lol
[08:58] <flaccid> bdizzle: how you fix it sorry
[08:58] <hi> physiology or psychology... hmm, but i'll regress quickly here lol
[08:59] <flaccid> bdizzle: can you tell me where you went in config to get firefox to pick up the jre?
[08:59] <bdizzle> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4908916#post4908916
[08:59] <hi> ah, i wondered if that's what the issue was
[08:59] <hi> you symlinked the plugins folder to something ff would find?
[09:00] <bdizzle> see, I had no clue where to start
[09:00] <bdizzle> I'm having to re-learn how to use a computer, which actually kinda interesting
[09:00] <hi> i should have chimed in, but i just saw the middle of the convo so assumed i was missing something
[09:00] <flaccid> bdizzle: ah so it is a bug afterall dang!
[09:00] <flaccid> yeah so /usr/lib should be global etc..
[09:00] <bdizzle> okay, so can someone decipher what that code actually did to fix my system?
[09:01] <hi> you created a dir (mkdir)
[09:01] <hi> ln -s linked the one dir to the other
[09:01] <flaccid> yeah its using user plugins instead of globally shared which defeats the purpose of the package the plugin is in etc...
[09:01] <hi> so ff sees that directory as a mirror of the other directory's contents
[09:01] <bdizzle> like links lists in C++ ?
[09:01] <hi> flaccid: true
[09:02] <flaccid> disregard c++...
[09:02] <bdizzle> lol
[09:02] <flaccid> its a locality thing on the fs
[09:02] <bdizzle> gotcha
[09:02] <bdizzle> ok, another strange question.
[09:03] <bdizzle> one would think if I have the Konversation window on top of the Firefox window, when I click to the side on the Firefox window, the Konversation window should go behind the Firefox window
[09:03] <bdizzle> mine doesn't
[09:04] <flaccid> bdizzle: you can right click and go advanced - keep above or below
[09:04] <hi> actually, bdizzle, thanks for the reminder on that. i couldn't remember the symlink command when i was installing icecat (which also wouldn't see any plugins outside it's ./plugins dir) and i just duplicated the files out of laziness vs looking up how to symlink. cheers, for saving me6mb hdd space :)
[09:04] <hi> this was just 40 mins ago :)
[09:05] <bdizzle> lol, yay for 6 MB of hard drive space?
[09:05] <bdizzle> space is cheap these days
[09:05] <hi> well, that was in jest ;)
[09:05] <bdizzle> lol
[09:05] <bdizzle> yeah, that works for Konversation, except the problem is global
[09:05] <hi> the other benefit of symlinking is if you install global plugins, they're show up in the other dir w/o one having to go copy them again all the time to 2+ dirs
[09:06] <bdizzle> like two firefox windows on top of each other
[09:06] <flaccid> yeah but locations like /usr/share for example are designed for um sharing
[09:06] <hi> i set the scroll wheel to do that (scroll up = above, scrol down = below).
[09:06] <bdizzle> um share?
[09:07] <hi> yeah, but icecat doesn't share :(
[09:07] <flaccid> there are quite a few share folders in linux systems via hier
[09:08] <hi> you know, i find kde has a lot of really power-user features over gnome so far
[09:08] <bdizzle> boohbah, how'd you hide your IP and such?
[09:08] <hi> however, stuff is really buggy
[09:09] <bdizzle> I think that's why I like KDE over GNOME is that it does have the strong GUI programs
[09:09] <hi> like, sometimes i login and nothing loads into the kicker panel... wtf!
[09:09] <bdizzle> I had to reformat Hardy today after doing the upgrade a week ago from Gutsy because Kicker was giving me so many problems
[09:09] <bdizzle> I had to tell Kubuntu to load Kicker as a startup program
[09:10] <hi> sheesh, really!?
[09:10] <hi> don't tell me that, this is a 2.5 week old install!
[09:10] <hi> lol
[09:10] <bdizzle> even then it wouldn't give me the icons next to the clock and such
[09:10] <hi> yeah, that's the issue i'm having
[09:10] <bdizzle> which on a desktop is managable. But on a laptop, when you are worried about battery life ... not good
[09:11] <hi> right now, nothing appears. i can't change wifi, bluetooth, power options etc over half the time. i just logout, login a couple of times and it works... no notable rhyme or reason.
[09:11] <bdizzle> gah, what is that program I used to search the system
[09:11] <hi> right, i'm on a laptop bdizzle. exactly right, this kills an extra 8w sometimes!
[09:11] <hi> strigi?
[09:11] <bdizzle> it was sorta like Find Files and Folders in windows
[09:11] <bdizzle> no, stringi doesn't really cut it for me
[09:11] <hi> kfind?
[09:11] <bdizzle> might be
[09:12] <flaccid> strigi has never worked for me. another blunder.
[09:12] <Boohbah> bdizzle: i asked nicely after being a member for many years...
[09:12] <hi> yeah, well i filed bugs on deskbar
[09:12] <bdizzle> haha, okay
[09:12] <bdizzle> I was just curious, it seemed interesting
[09:13] <hi> then i noticed the bugs were open / closed 4x since 2005
[09:13] <hi> i haven't tried strigi, but if it's anything like deskbar i'm keeping it WAY away from my kde profile as it damaged everything in its path for me
[09:13] <bdizzle> has anyone noticed how a program will say its installed in Adept, but not installed when you check via Add/Remove Programs?
[09:14] <hi> ah, add/remove programs is sort of the simple version of the repos
[09:15] <hi> i just use adept, unless i'm lookin for limited options (ie when i type "svg" and don't want 30 svg libsb, but instead the two apps xara and inkblot or whatever that thing is called)
[09:15] <bdizzle> so other than stringi, which searches for individual files, what program would i use to just pull up folders that have the same name as the search phrase?
[09:16] <hi> again, kfind
[09:16] <bdizzle> its showing up as the KDE-4 version of kfind in my Add/Remove
[09:16] <bdizzle> even though I only have KDE 3.5.9
[09:16] <hi> should be installed then
[09:16] <hi> just type alt+f2
[09:16] <hi> then type kfind
[09:17] <bdizzle> ah, yes, that's the program I'm looking for
[09:17] <hi> ;)
[09:17] <bdizzle> why isn't he on my K-menu?
[09:17] <hi> lol, good question
[09:17] <hi> i was talking to someone on here earlier that prolly thought i was some lamer newbie for asking that
[09:18] <hi> that's how i remembered kfind
[09:18] <bdizzle> lol
[09:18] <hi> He said "click find in the k menu" "why isn't it in my kmenu?" "uh, are you running kubuntu?" "duh" "try kfind then" "cool, thx" :)
[09:18] <alexbobp> is kfind a slocate frontend?
[09:18] <hi> go fig
[09:18] <bdizzle> well, when you are used to being able to pull all kinds of tricks out of your hat to get windows to customize and all that
[09:18] <hi> no, it's a find frontend ;)
[09:19] <bdizzle> and then try linux just for the hell of it, you gotta strap on the training wheels for a while
[09:19] <hi> yeah, for sure
[09:19] <alexbobp> hi: that's a joke, right?
[09:19] <alexbobp> It could be something more complex.  Strigi uses it's own engine, right?
[09:19] <flaccid> yeah strigi is a daemon
[09:20] <bdizzle> ok, so another strange thing. How do I go about adding my own shortcuts onto the K-menu?
[09:20] <hi> [01:18] <alexbobp> is kfind a slocate frontend?
[09:20] <bdizzle> ie, creating an icon in Utilities for kfind?
[09:20] <hi> it's a "find" frontend
[09:20] <hi> no joke
[09:20] <hi> strigi is something entirely different
[09:20] <alexbobp> find as in the command-line find that just looks through everything every time I search?
[09:21] <hi> yes
[09:21] <hi> the old as dirt unix tool
[09:21] <alexbobp> wouldn't that be slow then?
[09:21] <hi> yes
[09:21] <hi> (?)
[09:21] <bdizzle> wait, got it
[09:21] <hi> it's not meant for "search my whole 1tb hard drive for x file"
[09:21] <alexbobp> ah.
[09:21] <hi> that's what strigi etc is for
[09:21] <hi> no joke ;)
[09:21] <bdizzle> in KControl, go to Desktop -> Panels -> Menus, selected under OPtional Menuses "Find"
[09:21] <alexbobp> okay, I believe you, I was just making sure...
[09:22] <bdizzle> that will load kfind onto the kmenu so you don't go looking for it
[09:22]  * hi gets hopes up at bdizzle's comment and checks menu!
[09:22] <bdizzle> I'm surprised it isn't default
[09:22]  * hi remembers he's using kbfx and not k-menu
[09:22] <hi> :P
[09:22] <bdizzle> haha
[09:23] <bdizzle> I've heard of kbfx, but never could get it to work
[09:23] <bdizzle> or really understood the purpose / difference of it
[09:23] <hi> naw seriously, i still use alt-f1 to access the old kmenu for a few things. find will now be one of them, cheers :)
[09:23] <hi> ah, kbfx is nice
[09:23] <bdizzle> *tries alt-f1 and gets no response
[09:24] <hi> it indexes the menu, so you can click on the button and start typing to limit your options ala quicksilver for os-x
[09:24] <hi> hmm, alt-f1 is default (ymmv, as we find out here!) for opening the kmenu at your cursor
[09:25] <bdizzle> great, another key that doesn't work
[09:26] <bdizzle> I've had it set to Ctrl + Esc, since just hitting the windows key didn't work
[09:26] <flaccid> you have to enable windows shortcuts for win key to work
[09:26] <hi> whoa, ctrl+esc opened up a task manager!
[09:26] <flaccid> yeah ksysguard
[09:26] <bdizzle> lol
[09:26] <hi> sweet! i've been missing that from other unmentionable operating systems!
[09:27] <flaccid> hehhe
[09:27] <bdizzle> I've got Ctrl+Alt+Del to open task manager and Ctrl+Alt+End to open the logoff menu
[09:27] <flaccid> thats a bit crazy but cool heh
[09:27] <bdizzle> I'm surprised by now that Windows, Mac, and Linux hasn't adopted a common set of key shortcuts
[09:27] <hi> ctrl+alt_del restarts my computer, backspace X
[09:28] <flaccid> bdizzle: nothing to be suprised about. they are commercial.
[09:28] <bdizzle> other than the typical Ctrl + C, Ctrl+X, Ctrl+P
[09:28] <flaccid> its competition
[09:28] <hi> ctrl+alt+end sounds like it'd do something mean and dirty along those lines so i wont' test it :)
[09:28] <sponix> bdizzle: Yeah... Umm... About That ...
[09:28] <bdizzle> well, you're telling it to end your session
[09:28] <bdizzle> lol, about what?
[09:29] <hi> afaik it's NIH syndrom http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_Invented_Here
[09:29] <hi> :)
[09:29] <sponix> bdizzle: Why would Linux, or any *nix want to adopt something similar to Windows ?
[09:29] <bdizzle> to make instructions just a little easier to understand?
[09:29] <flaccid> bdizzle: thats not their objective..
[09:30] <flaccid> its quite the opposite
[09:30] <hi> besides, in kde you can select templates of key configs to most anything out there
[09:30] <bdizzle> I mean, I see that Apple Command key as the same as the windows key for many things on the mac
[09:30] <hi> i have to say, i miss the way os-x uses the alt key to put accents on  things and such
[09:30] <bdizzle> now what would be cute would be if they had stickers to put over the windows key with the Ubuntu circle logo
[09:31] <hi> alt+` then whatever key i want to apply a ` over... pretty straightforward relative to the windows world's "remember an index of acii codes and type alt+00124"
[09:31] <sponix> bdizzle: Objective for _Most_ other Operating Systems is to be the _Best_ they can at whatever their communities, or users need/want .. And if you haven't noticed, Windows doesn't do a very good job at that ;)
[09:31] <flaccid> well i like calling such a key 'option' or something similar that is generic
[09:31] <bdizzle> eh, they did for XP
[09:31] <flaccid> its not about their community its about ownership
[09:31] <hi> bdizzle: great idea w/ the stickers!
[09:31] <bdizzle> Vista and Windows 7 on the other hand....
[09:31] <sponix> bdizzle: Seen Tux for the Windows key, but not the Ubuntu logo _yet_
[09:31] <bdizzle> nice
[09:32] <flaccid> yeah the key should just be 'option' or something
[09:32] <bdizzle> or worse, MS's next version of Office is going to be a subscription plan from what I heard
[09:32] <hi> why won't ms office die?
[09:32] <bdizzle> at the very least, OO needs to catch up to Office 2003, then start branching out and making its own stuff that MS only wishes it could do
[09:33] <bdizzle> because its actually useful?
[09:33] <bdizzle> Office and DirectX are two things I have to give MS credit for
[09:33] <hi> well, i'm not the "office" type
[09:33] <flaccid> hi: why would it die heh
[09:33] <hi> but, it seems it's around for the same reason most things are around ppl
[09:33] <flaccid> im not sure what there is to catch up to
[09:33] <bdizzle> well, until I can figure out how to do presentations in LaTeX....
[09:34] <hi> "because it just is" vs "because it's the best product"
[09:34] <flaccid> bdizzle: you do understand that directx is totally their thing and not required
[09:34] <bdizzle> no, I do
[09:34] <bdizzle> but I also know that since most games these days are built off of it
[09:34] <flaccid> im not sure what latex has to do with oasis doc formats..
[09:34] <bdizzle> and Wine isn't perfect yet in *not emulating DirectX
[09:34] <flaccid> bdizzle: no point there. openGL and other techs are um open and standard...
[09:34] <bdizzle> true
[09:34] <flaccid> bdizzle: wine shouldn't even exist.
[09:35] <flaccid> the open formats and suites like Ooo are fine.
[09:35] <bdizzle> well, let me run up to the store and go buy a copy of Halo or Diablo and get it to run on OpenGL then ....
[09:36] <bdizzle> I agree they are good
[09:36] <flaccid> bdizzle: have a think about whos fault it is for not developing in open standards...
[09:36] <flaccid> the vendor.
[09:36] <bdizzle> point taken
[09:36] <hi> sadly, a good portion  of my local friends work in direct x at ms
[09:36] <bdizzle> unforutnately, vendors look at $$$, which means which market is going to have the greatest potential
[09:36] <flaccid> have a look at nexuiz. it works on most platforms with one .zip and separate binaries for teh OS
[09:37] <hi> nothing amazingly creative in direct x over open gl imho
[09:37] <flaccid> bdizzle: exactly
[09:37] <flaccid> its about the money
[09:37] <hi> it's a matter of development hype, buzz and thus (yes) money
[09:37] <bdizzle> windows, which carries about 85% of consumer market, vs mac, that carries 13% of consumer desktops, vs linux, that runs 2%
[09:37] <hi> being co-opted by MS for vendor lock-in, more than dx being superior to gl etc
[09:37] <bdizzle> why would they go out and port their game over to Linux unless they felt that every single linux user would go out and buy it
[09:38] <bdizzle> true
[09:38] <sponix> bdizzle: Well, I have to disagree a bit... Think some vendors are now looking at Potential for future market share, instead of current market shares... IBM, HP, Sun, Dell, Asus, And others Shipping with Linux for Example
[09:38] <hi> well, as it is all hardware for i386 i know of supports opengl
[09:38] <hi> so there's no real downside for developers not using direct x
[09:38] <bdizzle> I remember when I got my laptop back in March, I kept going to all the standard vendors (Dell, HP, gateway, Toshiba, Acer, etc) and telling them, look this is my budget, and I only have one requirement: it can't have Vista on it
[09:39] <hi> save for less M$ interest, naturally
[09:39] <flaccid> direct x is microsoft. seems like a massive downfall to me.
[09:39] <bdizzle> Gateway and HP laughed at me
[09:39] <sponix> bdizzle: Linux is still at a 1% Market share or less, But these companies rolling it out with site of future Market share growth is making a big difference
[09:39] <bdizzle> true
[09:39] <hi> sure there's xbox, but that's the minority of consoles even
[09:39] <bdizzle> yeah, most people are playing Wii or PS3
[09:39] <flaccid> xbox is cut down win2000
[09:39] <hi> so opengl works with windows, linux, os-x, and most consoles... honestly, why use dx?!
[09:40] <bdizzle> I'm curious why most developers still base everything on it too
[09:40] <bdizzle> if it is so functional, then why do they bother?
[09:40] <flaccid> market share, business logic etc.
[09:40] <sponix> hi: Doesn't that make you sick ? OpenGL should be the _standard_
[09:40] <flaccid> its not about functionality its about money
[09:40] <level1_> how can I tunnel sound over ssh?  Is that possible?
[09:41] <level1_> also, what ssh like standard uses the least bandwidth?  VNC?  RDP?
[09:41] <hi> sponix: yes
[09:41]  * hi gets sick and barfs on dx
[09:41] <flaccid> level1_: not sure. most likely vnc. rdp is m$ only
[09:41] <sponix> hi: But, since Microsoft makes DirectX and they are the OS of choice for 98% of commercial Gamers, it has killed off OpenGL and gaming possibilities on Other Platforms :(
[09:41] <flaccid> they have nothing to do with ssh however
[09:41] <level1_> flaccid: can can be used for some of the things I want to use ssh for
[09:41] <level1_> flaccid: thats what i meant
[09:41] <zeno__> I'm trying to upgrade to hardy, but im getting errors; http://pastebin.com/m6a6ce1c6
[09:42] <level1_> whats kubuntu's vnc client?
[09:42] <flaccid> ssh is simply the tunnel. it comes down to the protocol. both can potentially support sound
[09:42] <sponix> flaccid: What ! *nix is where vnc started, and several things have rdp, virtualbox for example
[09:42] <flaccid> level1_: krdc
[09:42] <flaccid> sponix: look up the history of RDP
[09:42] <flaccid> or point me to a unix rdp server
[09:42] <hi> does kubuntu count? :)
[09:43] <flaccid> kubuntu does not have an rdp server.
[09:43] <bdizzle> um, about that upgrade, it might be better to just d/l the .iso and go off of that
[09:43] <sponix> flaccid: RDP is a Windows based "Remote Desktop Protocol" .. I know
[09:43] <hi> xrdp
[09:43] <bdizzle> it still tends to have problems going the direct upgrade route
[09:43] <flaccid> please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Desktop_Protocol
[09:43] <sponix> flaccid: tightvnc is nice
[09:43] <flaccid> ues exact;u sponix. windows and no linux server let alone *nix
[09:43] <hi> afaik, xrdp works and is in kubuntu main repos
[09:44] <flaccid> sponix: yeah its what i use for server on *nix
[09:44] <sponix> flaccid: my point, why use "MS" rdp for a *nix box, when VNC is available ?
[09:44] <flaccid> !info xrdp
[09:44] <flaccid> sponix: wasn't that my point?
[09:44] <flaccid> hmm that must be fairly new
[09:45] <sponix> and there are TightVNC servers and clients for both Windows and *nix
[09:45] <flaccid> yes i know that...
[09:45] <sponix> flaccid: ... Hmm, maybe I missed the actual point ;)
[09:45] <hi> well or even nx (nomachine) since vnc comared to rdp is not even close... vnc is just a rasterized image of the screen unlike forwarding x to the other machine
[09:45] <flaccid> ah yeah xrdp is very recent and not devel very much at all
[09:45] <zeno__> I'm trying to upgrade to hardy, but im getting errors; http://pastebin.com/m6a6ce1c6
[09:45] <flaccid> my point is that rdp is microsoft
[09:45] <hi> vnc is really only useful for os-x, since there's no rdp/remote x/nx options
[09:45] <sponix> flaccid: Yep, We have client/server XP boxen with TightVNC here at my workplace (Army)
[09:45] <flaccid> hi: incorrect. vnc is rfb and abstracted from teh X11 layer
[09:46] <flaccid> vnc is useful for an *nix
[09:46] <flaccid> any*
[09:46] <hi> ehm, i disagree
[09:46] <hi> nx is much faster
[09:46] <sponix> flaccid: of course, you could just fwd an X session or program through ssh as well, just as easy ;)
[09:47] <hi> again, like rdp (but better) it forwards window commands etc so bandwidth is 4k-100k vs 9mb
[09:47] <flaccid> http://xrdp.sourceforge.net/documents/xrdpdesign/index.html <--- still a far way to go...
[09:47] <hi> i can run a 1920x1200x24b connection over the net on nx
[09:47] <flaccid> sponix: yeah but thats not what we are talking about thus my point
[09:47] <hi> or rdp
[09:47] <zeno__> !dependency
[09:47] <hi> :P
[09:48] <flaccid> !freenx
[09:48] <sponix> ... I must drop out then, because I'm still not getting the point *Grin*
[09:48] <flaccid> at the end of the day, whatver works is probably fine as long as its in a secure channel
[09:48] <flaccid> i don't know of any pointsin this convo really
[09:49] <flaccid> but as a side point have a look how limited xrdp is atm: http://xrdp.sourceforge.net/documents/xrdpdesign/index.html
[09:49] <hi> here's some: VNC is slow and aweful if you're displaying a GUI, RDP is way better but not available on Mac only, freenx rocks all
[09:49] <flaccid> that doesn't make sense hi and is incorrect
[09:49] <hi> also, if you're not displaying video, then use Synergy instead
[09:50] <hi> meh, believe what you want
[09:50] <flaccid> eg. http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1475814
[09:50]  * hi doesn't care
[09:50] <flaccid> its not about you hi
[09:50] <flaccid> nor is it about me either
[09:50] <sponix> I don't remote a gui very often, but TightVNC, or ssh has always done what I need just fine... I will try FreeNX sometime though
[09:51] <hi> yeah, the hextile mapping common for vnc is just too much for the internet
[09:51] <hi> it's highly sensitve to latency and high cpu load on either client or server side
[09:51] <flaccid> i do vnc over ssh or vpn over the internet just fine
[09:51] <bdizzle> so what kind of things do they have planned for Ibex?
[09:52] <hi> ibex?
[09:52] <bdizzle> edition after Hardy
[09:52] <bdizzle> not that I am entirely looking forward to upgrading again, but KDE4 just looks so pretty and I'm waiting for 4.1 to come out
[09:52] <hi> ah, xrdp on os-x. my "/me doesn't care " was a follow on my last line and due to lag seemed like a resonse to your link. no offense, lag...
[09:53] <hi> i'll actually make use of that url tomorrow!
[09:54] <hi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Desktop_Protocol#Version_history
[09:55] <hi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_remote_desktop_software for the un-initiated
[09:58] <wesley> kde4.0.4 is not as good as 4,0,3
[09:58] <hi> ?
[09:58] <bdizzle> what, is it getting worse/
[09:58] <bdizzle> I thought it was supposed to become more stable with each incremental release
[09:59] <hi> if you found a regression, find/file a bug report
[09:59] <hi> honestly, there's almost no diff i can see
[09:59] <bdizzle> where do we go for bug reports?
[09:59] <wesley> yes i yesterday istalled and reported more bugs then in 4.0.3
[09:59] <bdizzle> and how can we get desktop widgets on KDE 3.5.9 ?
[09:59] <wesley> www.launchpad.net
[10:00] <flaccid> hehe
[10:00] <hi> actually, speaking of widgets.. this "Get Hot New Stuff" crap bugs me
[10:00] <hi> where is it!?
[10:00] <hi> faik it's a lib w/o much use
[10:00] <sponix> honestly, with all these updates, can't Ubuntu just xdelta from one deb to the next, instead of downloading a whole new package each time !
[10:01] <hi> yes, that'd be smarter
[10:01] <hi> heard of jigdo btw?
[10:01] <sponix> would save Petabytes of Net Traffic I'm sure !
[10:01] <hi> or deb-torrent etc
[10:01] <bdizzle> I'm mostly just looking for weather and maybe tv listings like I had with Yahoo Widgets
[10:01] <hi> none of these ever get picked up
[10:01] <bdizzle> xdelta?
[10:01] <wesley> but i dont know of its kubuntu,s fault for messing op kde4.0.4 or kde
[10:02] <sgrover> wireless problem.  Works fine on my access point.  Not on some others.  Can see the desired access point, but when I connect to it, it just times out.
[10:02] <sponix> No, but if it is similar, and can patch from one tarBall to another, it would be smart
[10:02] <sgrover> (don't have access to the troublesome access point(s) at the moment though...)
[10:02] <sgrover> Any tips?
[10:03] <sponix> downloading 17Meg of Evolution crap, for the 32K change in source for security is nutty imho, when they have TarBall && binary patch programs out there
[10:03] <hi> yeah, it bugs the crap out of me too
[10:03] <sponix> Effort to push Linux crap to 3rd world countries would be much better
[10:03] <hi> it's so wasteful of bw (mine and theirs)
[10:04]  * flaccid uses Opera.
[10:04] <sponix> I'm in Iraq right now, and net cost me $75 a Month for 1Gig Download and 512Meg Upload limit, after that it throttles your speed to 7K/s or less
[10:04] <hi> lol, true. someone d/l the 60mb of stuff for the kde4 upgrade i got a day ago was assinine
[10:05] <sponix> I don't like to Rant, but it is about freaking time some one addresses this issue
[10:05] <sgrover> sponix: try on my cell phone data plan.... $50 / MEG
[10:05] <hi> sponix: i agree
[10:05] <sponix> Why are we settling for 2nd best, our updates could be done faster, and the Net as a whole less clogged
[10:05] <flaccid> i pay $140AU per month for 60GB of u/l d/l which is rort
[10:05] <hi> every time i've tried to get help on that, ppl say "what's the point?" and "bandwidth is cheap"
[10:05] <hi> bugs me...
[10:06] <sponix> Should be saving our BW for pr0n !
[10:06] <flaccid> i dont' know what your point is hi
[10:06] <hi> flaccid: thanks for sharing :P
[10:06] <flaccid> care to confirm your point
[10:06] <hi> sponix: have you looked into using rsync?
[10:06] <sponix> point is BW isn't cheap _everywhere_
[10:07] <hi> right, or anywhere when we're talking about saving many terabytes of data
[10:07] <sgrover> sooo... no tech support at the moment for wireless problems??  :)
[10:07] <flaccid> well thats obvious. im sure is very expensive in the developing nations if available at all
[10:07] <sponix> hi: still rsync's the whole new .deb package, not like it applies the 32/64K diff from one .deb to another
[10:07] <bdizzle> why isn't bandwidth cheap these days?
[10:08] <sgrover> sponix: then take the one time hit, d/l the source, then just get the patches as they come out.
[10:08] <hi> bdizzle:because ppl suffer companies like comcast in the US
[10:08] <sponix> bdizzle: in Iraq, there is no fiber, or copper backbones/lines, the Ground is so damn hard for one, it is near impossible to run it, so Everything is Sat Based, and that cost a shit ton for Sat Time
[10:08] <sgrover> you obviously know a little more about Linux per se, so perhaps *buntu isn't quite aimed at users like yourself...  :)
[10:08] <sponix> hi: ComCast is a godsend compared to say Honduras, or Iraq
[10:09] <bdizzle> ouch
[10:09] <hi> well, yeah... i guess my gripe-in-point is about the privatisation of commercial telecommunications in general.
[10:09] <sgrover> sponix: not trying to be confrontational - in general I agree with your point... :)
[10:09] <flaccid> not all countries/parts of the world have luxuries. after all internet is a luxury :)
[10:09] <hi> but yeah, geographic considerations like yours will probably keep the topic on track :)
[10:10] <sponix> sgrover: Well. here they are, saying they want OLPC in 3rd world countries and crap, but I just did 100+Meg of Security updates on Hardy already, don't see a school in Iraq doing that
[10:10] <bdizzle> internet is almost a neccesity
[10:10] <flaccid> not when the world is divided
[10:10]  * hi avoids geo-political discussion
[10:10] <sponix> bdizzle: I feel that way as well, but a lot of the world it is still a "Luxury"
[10:10] <sgrover> sponix: you don't see a school doing 100Meg of updates for Ubuntu, but they wouldn't mind the corresponding bandwidth for Windows?  That argument doesn't really float... :)
[10:11] <hi> so does anyone know of a way to access these updates in an incremental, just-the-differences of similar files way?
[10:11] <sgrover> if the argument is simply that the updates would not be done - regardless of platform, then that's a little more understandable.... :)
[10:11] <hi> sgrover: nobody is being a windows fanboy
[10:11] <sponix> sgrover: My point is, Linux should do "Better" than MS ... This would be an "Advantage" it would/should have over others
[10:11] <bdizzle> I think most people still update windows because windows update automatically naggs you if you try to ignore it
[10:11] <hi> sgrover: windows sucks, os-x sucks, and here's where linux could shine
[10:11] <sponix> sgrover: and that *nix OS's should do this, to help reach out to the ends of the world better than MS
[10:12] <sgrover> bdizzle: only if you have the Nag option checked (which you have to manually turn off)
[10:12] <flaccid> my g/f is on wireless which is only option despite in a city. she pays 5X here monthly rental on download thus costing here more than a car does. its pathetic and this is a developed nation.
[10:12] <bdizzle> lol
[10:12] <flaccid> have a look up on the internet how pathetic broadband is in australia..
[10:12] <sgrover> sponix: don't get me wrong - I agree that these patch differences can/should be done.  Just trying to help you refine the argument... :)
[10:13] <sponix> ... I do hate MS and Windows with a passion, but my goal isn't to bash them... Just saying this is a place *nix could do better, and easily do it
[10:13] <flaccid> sponix: sorrr what to do better?
[10:13] <hi> flaccid: yeah, i always wondered about australia. their geography would tend to limit this a tad?
[10:13] <flaccid> hi: not when you live sydney where i do. no excuse when the backbone goes straight to our city.
[10:13] <sponix> flaccid: roll out a update system that does TarBall patches like xdelta, to save tons of BW for people/countries
[10:13] <sgrover> we don't have to "hate" the other OS's to favor *nix.  Some of us still need to work in both worlds... :)
[10:14] <hi> hmm
[10:14] <bdizzle> yeah, how is internet service down there?
[10:14] <flaccid> regional is different. this is in capital cities.
[10:14] <hi> i'm sure fiber is laid at this point, but it's probably more monopolised than in other prts
[10:14] <flaccid> sponix: totally different to the debian system
[10:14] <flaccid> internet here can be good, but way too many issues to talk about..
[10:15] <flaccid> no fibre to consumers here on a real scale yet at all
[10:15] <bdizzle> such as?
[10:15] <flaccid> im on cable and its a rip off...
[10:15] <eagles05> lol whose ur isp flaccid
[10:15] <hi> actually, instead of downloading distro .iso's has anyone used jigdo files?
[10:15] <flaccid> um dsl
[10:15] <flaccid> old copper
[10:15] <flaccid> lack of upstream
[10:15] <flaccid> lack of maintenence on networks
[10:15] <hi> jigdo always crashes for me so i always resort to torrents
[10:15] <flaccid> renting out to service providers
[10:15] <flaccid> pair gain issues
[10:15] <flaccid> the list goes on
[10:16] <eagles05> ur lucky flaccid u dont have monthly download limits and im on cable 2mb down 256 up
[10:16] <flaccid> eagles05: i am on that
[10:16] <flaccid> depends which connectin you talking about i have heh
[10:16] <eagles05> im hoping to eventually start my own isp using kubuntu based server
[10:16] <eagles05> i have 10gb monthly download
[10:16] <noaXess> is it normal in hardy, that the print job queue will not be cleared after printing?.. and the icon is still in systray?
[10:16] <flaccid> we all have monthly download limits in australia anyway
[10:16] <hi> hmm... something is wrong with my sleep schedule that i'm always talking to australians on here :-/
[10:16] <flaccid> eagles05: kubuntu is not a server.
[10:16] <eagles05> noaXess: yes its like that with my hp
[10:16] <sgrover> hi: me too... I'm in Western Canada... :)
[10:16] <flaccid> its 7:15pm here
[10:17] <eagles05> flaccid: lol well u know what im talking bout use it as the os
[10:17] <noaXess> hm.. a bug? or is there a setting
[10:17] <eagles05> noaXess: dunno havent used my printer on here in a while
[10:17] <hi> sgrover: Quarter past two here, Seattle :)
[10:17] <flaccid> eagles05: ubuntu is not a server OS
[10:17] <sgrover> flaccid: 3:17am here
[10:17] <flaccid> ouch
[10:17] <eagles05> O_o what u mean
[10:17] <noaXess> ha.. 11:17 am here :)
[10:17] <eagles05> noaXess: u in central europe
[10:17] <sgrover> hehe... er.. flaccid.. just curious... what DAY ??
[10:17] <noaXess> yes
[10:17] <noaXess> ch
[10:18] <flaccid> its thursday night
[10:18] <eagles05> kool malta here noaXess
[10:18] <noaXess> ?
[10:18] <flaccid> i mean ubuntu is not respected as a server operating system at all
[10:18] <noaXess> eagles05: you're in malta?
[10:18] <sgrover> flaccid: hmmm... maybe time travel is possible.. it's still morning here... and Wednesday for me cuz I haven't slept yet.. LOL
[10:18] <eagles05> noaXess:  yep
[10:18] <noaXess> flaccid: ut you can use it as server.. i think there is a server version of ubuntu
[10:19] <flaccid> noaXess: yes i've tested it.
[10:19] <eagles05> ya but i dunno y i like gui and kde desktop
[10:19] <noaXess> eagles05: holiday.. or do you live there?
[10:19] <flaccid> i generally run respected server operating systems like freebsd
[10:19] <eagles05> noaXess: normally from us but im here for school
[10:19] <eagles05> what bout centos5
[10:19] <flaccid> a desktop environment != an operating system!
[10:20] <sgrover> eagles05: you can put a gui on the server version.
[10:20] <sgrover> OR you can just apt-get install the server kernel
[10:20] <flaccid> if you can tell me why a server needs a GUI, please let me know :)
[10:20] <hi> sgrover: our sleep schedules match lol
[10:20] <sgrover> (you loose sound support, and some video capabilities though)
[10:20] <eagles05> sgrover: how
[10:20] <flaccid> unless its a desktop server to serv X11 etc.
[10:20] <flaccid> ie. think clients.
[10:20] <flaccid> thin
[10:21] <sgrover> flaccid: install the server, install X, but you don't necessarily need to have a running X desktop on the server to serve up X sessions... (just the X service running - I think)
[10:21] <flaccid> sgrover: yes i know. that was my point.
[10:21] <flaccid> !thinclient
[10:21] <flaccid> cang
[10:21] <noaXess> flaccid: but you can install ubuntu and disable gdm..
[10:21] <flaccid> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto
[10:22] <flaccid> noaXess: thats working backwards
[10:22] <noaXess> ?
[10:22] <eagles05> im not as advanced as most im still working on linux certification have yet to work on a linux box in a network environment
[10:22] <flaccid> eagles05: debian is better suited as a server
[10:22] <eagles05> has anyone else downloaded amarok2 nightly
[10:22] <sgrover> flaccid: I've been running Ubuntu server for the past 2 years.  Never a problem that wasn't caused by the sys admin (me), or hardware failure.
[10:22] <eagles05> flaccid:  isnt ubuntu/kubuntu debian based
[10:22] <noaXess> sgrover: me to..
[10:22] <noaXess> too
[10:22] <eagles05> lol
[10:23] <flaccid> sgrover: i've run it for about 3.5 years as testing. google the security problems ubuntu server has had...
[10:23] <noaXess> us it also for virtual systems
[10:23] <flaccid> eagles05: yes it is. debian has a longer release cycle to give it more stability.
[10:23] <noaXess> flaccid: then close the holes..
[10:23] <flaccid> and the userland is different!