[00:04] <bdmurray> jibel: did you end up testing bug 946709?
[00:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 946709 in update-manager "Upgrade 11.10 ->12.04 fails with "Couldn't configure pre-depend libc6 for libnih1, probably a dependency cycle."" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/946709
[00:46] <candtalan> astraljava: 'b43.blacklist=yes' for the boot param  (Dell inspiron 1300) was needed even after updates, however  when I installed firmware-b43-installer from ubuntu software centre it re booted normally! can I add something to the 'bug' report maybe?
[00:48] <astraljava> candtalan: Yes, you left before I managed to type that out correctly. :) There hasn't been a fix to the issue, but that's the workaround advertised. You could hit the 'affects me' button/link/whathaveyou on LP bug #956677
[00:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 956677 in casper "Live CD boot fails, b43 error" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/956677
[00:49] <astraljava> Although, I wonder why it's set as a casper bug. Oh well *shrug*
[00:49] <candtalan> ok sorry. (way past my bed time...) I will  go to 956677  and thanks
[00:50] <astraljava> NO worries, and thanks for helping ubuntu get better. :)
[04:37] <astraljava> jibel: Could you take off the Studio alternate links from precise dailies in the tracker? They're just possibly confusing drive-by testers, as no image has been rolled since late January. Thanks!
[04:45] <thumper> can I please get someone to look at bug 954736?
[04:45] <thumper> particularly to make it public if possible
[05:30] <astraljava> oops: Preparing to replace libreoffice-core 1:3.5.1-1ubuntu5 (using .../libreoffice-core_1%3a3.5.2-2ubuntu1_amd64.deb) ...
[05:30] <astraljava> dpkg-deb (subprocess): data: internal bzip2 read error: 'DATA_ERROR'
[05:31] <astraljava> Anyone up who's up to par with this latest upload?
[05:31] <micahg> astraljava: sounds like a local issue
[05:32]  * micahg gives this a try
[05:32] <astraljava> micahg: Further reading: http://paste.ubuntu.com/924365/
[05:33] <micahg> seems like a bad download
[05:33] <astraljava> Ok, I'll purge and re-download.
[05:34]  * micahg is trying an upgrade now to confirm
[05:35] <astraljava> micahg: Yep, works now, thanks.
[05:36] <micahg> astraljava: can you file a bug against dpkg to recover a little better from that (might already be a bug for it)
[05:37] <astraljava> micahg: Of course.
[05:38] <micahg> thanks
[05:46] <astraljava> micahg: bug #978587
[05:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 978587 in dpkg "dpkg should recover more gracefully from decompressing errors" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/978587
[07:30] <jibel> astraljava, ack. looking
[14:26] <ersi> I'd like to point out that 2012-03-14 as already passed, ie. the time for previous Bug Squad meeting (It's in the topic) :-)
[15:33] <Streamstormer> Hello, can somebody take a look at this Bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ndiswrapper/+bug/978920
[15:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 978920 in ndiswrapper "BUILT_MODULE_NAME[#] required if linux-headers-* is installed/updated after the ndiswrapper-dkms package" [Undecided,New]
[15:38] <hggdh> hum. And the next next meeting already passed in the Wiki
[16:55] <krnekhelesh> I have a question, if a bug reported upstream and in ubuntu get fixed first upstream...does the update trickle down to ubuntu automatically
[16:56] <krnekhelesh> or does it have to be merged into ubuntu as well?
[16:56] <krnekhelesh> I am referring to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/976624
[16:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 976624 in totem "Add support for keywords" [Undecided,In progress]
[17:01] <ersi> krnekhelesh: If it's been long enough, it'll be automatically synced from Debian when the next cycle/window opens (If the fix comes to Debian Unstable that is)
[17:02] <ersi> If it's after a release cycle freeze, there have to be a release person manager sir/madam who gives it a Freeze Exception to get merged/worked into the current cycle
[17:03] <ersi> If you're interested and can hang on, I can go get the documentation on how the whole package eco system works
[17:04] <krnekhelesh> ersi, sure I'll to see the documentation
[17:04] <krnekhelesh> it is mostly a backend fix...no changes in the interface or anything
[17:05] <ersi> I'll give you a nudge with the link if I find it - maybe doesn't explain this current scenario perfectly, but might still be interesting :)
[17:06] <krnekhelesh> ok
[18:50] <Guest76264> bdmurray: did we skip the meeting today?
[18:50] <Guest76264> gah, I've got to fix my nick
[19:03] <krnekhelesh> can someone give this bug high priority? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/931982
[19:03] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 931982 in unity "Ubuntu 12.04 Launcher too slow on showing with autohide enabled" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:06] <s9iper1> sure high ?
[19:06] <krnekhelesh> s9iper1, it affects the functionality of the launcher - an important component of Unity..
[19:07] <s9iper1> sorry i can not set its imp bec its reported in  upstrem
[19:08] <krnekhelesh> you mean ayatana-team?
[19:10] <s9iper1> yes
[19:37] <krnekhelesh> can somebody have a look at this bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/965643
[19:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 965643 in compiz "Unity 5.8: auto-hide using mouse reveals launcher inconsistently" [Undecided,New]
[19:37] <krnekhelesh> I am unable to confirm since I think it is not exactly valid..however it better to get another person's opinion before marking it invalid
[19:39] <krnekhelesh> also could someone mark this bug as medium priority https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/972542
[19:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 972542 in unity "Alt+F2 does not allow to run "app" if "app-something" is present too (e.g. totem)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:43] <seb128> krnekhelesh, that's a duplicate of bug #842108
[19:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 842108 in unity-lens-applications "run command (alt+F2): results do not contain the exact match" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/842108
[19:45] <krnekhelesh> seb128, thnx...I will mark it duplicate then
[19:45] <seb128> krnekhelesh, yw
[19:46] <seb128> thanks for triaging ;-)
[19:46] <krnekhelesh> seb128, can I interest you in 1 more bug report whose priority needs to be set?
[19:46] <krnekhelesh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/975869
[19:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 975869 in unity "The Unity is not in sync with the automatic wallpaper changes" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[19:49] <krnekhelesh> it needs a medium or high priority
[19:49] <hggdh> krnekhelesh: this is also an upstream bug
[19:49] <seb128> krnekhelesh, I set it to low, it's transient, not the default and most people don't use animated wallpapers
[19:49] <krnekhelesh> hggdh, upstream? do you mean it has been reported before?
[19:50] <krnekhelesh> seb128, thnx a lot
[19:50] <hggdh> krnekhelesh: no, it was not reported for Ubuntu
[19:50] <krnekhelesh> hggdh, oh ok, in that case I will try to also attach that upstream bug...
[19:50] <hggdh> but for UNity (upstream).
[19:51] <seb128> hggdh, krnekhelesh: it's correctly triaged, nothing need to be changed
[19:51] <krnekhelesh> do you remember which package it was reported against?
[19:51] <krnekhelesh> oh ok
[19:51] <hggdh> krnekhelesh: in general, the folks here can only work with Ubuntu bugs (bugs that show '(Ubuntu)' after the name
[19:51] <seb128> hggdh, well for unity dx works with unity upstream components
[19:52] <seb128> but yeah, unity issues are probably better discussed on #ubuntu-unity
[19:52] <hggdh> seb128: yes, but dx (and you) are a special case, not the general one
[19:52] <hggdh> heh
[19:52] <seb128> hggdh, cf what I just said ;-)
[19:52] <krnekhelesh> hggdh, ok I understand...
[19:52] <hggdh> seb128: we we typing at the same time :-)
[22:36] <thomi> Hi, I'm able to get unity to crash with the latest unity packages, but apport/whoopsie never reports the bug. Is there anything I can do to diagnose why that might be?
[22:37] <lifeless> well, whoopsie may already know about it
[22:37] <lifeless> its part of the design AIUI to not file new bugs once we have a crash for it
[22:37] <lifeless> whoopsie talks to daisy, and daisy is not a bug tracker
[22:42] <htrex> hello
[22:43] <htrex> I need an hand to identify a source package for this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/954021
[22:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 954021 in ubuntu "composited desktop environments wont autoload from gdm/lightdm when using i915" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[22:44] <htrex> Unity 3d wont start at boot when using Intel integrated GPU
[22:45] <htrex> while it works well with AMD discrete GPU


[00:01] <geneiros> hi there kirill
[00:01] <kirill> o
[00:01] <kirill> hi geneiros
[00:01] <kirill> can u help me?
[00:02] <geneiros> i'll try
[00:04] <kirill> i got drivers fron viaarena and install it on ubuntu but when i try it on xubuntu i got errors when i try to make and make install
[00:05] <kirill> i cant understand how i can resolve this problem with make
[00:05] <kirill> i reinstall build essential but it dont help me
[00:09] <geneiros> what is the error?
[00:09] <kirill> error 2
[00:10] <geneiros> and what drivers are you trying to install?
[00:10] <kirill> viaarena - unichrome9
[00:10] <geneiros> does the make runs well?
[00:10] <kirill> i think may be rivers for gnome dont work on xcf
[00:10] <kirill> on ubuntu all ok
[00:11] <kirill> i do the same things on xubuntu like on ubuntu
[00:11] <penguin42> kirill: The 2 is the last bit - what went before
[00:11] <kirill> but on xubuntu they dont work
[00:11] <kirill> ./vinstall
[00:11] <kirill> then cd via
[00:11] <kirill> then make
[00:11] <kirill> then error2
[00:12] <penguin42> just error 2? Nothing else?
[00:12] <kirill> yes
[00:12] <geneiros> thats strange
[00:12] <kirill> what i error2?
[00:13] <penguin42> ENOENT - No such file or directory
[00:13] <kirill> oooooooo
[00:13] <penguin42> normally something tells you what it was trying to do before going splat
[00:13] <kirill> downalod arhive
[00:13] <libv> urgh
[00:14] <kirill> then unpack it
[00:14] <kirill> then ./vinstall
[00:14] <kirill> got a new dir
[00:14] <kirill> enter new dir
[00:14] <kirill> then make
[00:14] <kirill> then make install
[00:14] <libv> kirill: VIA barely understands english, let alone free software
[00:14] <libv> kirill: give up now.
[00:15] <geneiros> do you have kernel source installed?
[00:16] <kirill> hmm
[00:16] <kirill> i donno
[00:16] <kirill> im newby
[00:16] <kirill> i do the same thing like in ubuntu thats all
[00:16] <geneiros> the error of folder is lib/modules/2.*.*/build?
[00:16] <kirill> o
[00:16] <kirill> how i can download and reinstall kernel?
[00:18]  * libv shakes his head and returns to debugging vbe on a 6y old laptop
[00:19] <kirill> ok i reinstall xubuntu now and try again
[00:20] <kirill> senk u
[00:20] <kirill> bye
[00:30] <JanC> anybody know how well ATI/Intel switching graphics work with Ubuntu?
[00:30] <JanC> in 10.10 I mean
[00:36] <geneiros> i have only nvidia card...cant help...
[00:37] <geneiros> do you mean hibrid cards?
[00:38] <penguin42> JanC: I've been lurking on #ubuntu+1 for quite a while now and I don't think I've seen anyone ask
[00:43] <JanC> it's some new tech with Core i3 and such where you can switch between the intel & radeon card at runtime on windows
[00:43] <JanC> used in laptops
[00:43] <penguin42> JanC: Yeh it's been around for a while ; I use a machine at work that has such a setup
[00:44] <penguin42> but I just keep it locked on Intel
[00:44] <JanC> but I was mostly wanting to know if it was possible to use the ATI card  ;)
[00:44] <penguin42> JanC: The Bios on the thinkpad I have allows you to select between switchable and one or the other in the bios
[00:45] <JanC> it's an MSI laptop
[00:45] <penguin42> JanC: Theoretically I think the kernel now has the feature enabled (VGA Switcheroo) don't know what hardware it works on though
[00:46] <JanC> anyway, the intel part works fine, just don't know how to use the radeon part  ☺
[00:46] <penguin42> JanC: Do you see a /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo ?
[00:46] <JanC> nope, didn't have much time anyway
[00:47] <JanC> I might have a look at that when I go to my parent next time  ☺
[00:47] <penguin42> JanC: See http://asusm51ta-with-linux.blogspot.com/
[00:49] <JanC> thanks, I'll have a look at it
[00:51] <JanC> Ubuntu might need to grow support for this though, as it proposes to install fglrx, but when you install it, it doesn't boot anymore  ;)
[00:51] <JanC> well, boots, but doesn't start X
[03:30] <bjsnider> where's the best place to look for a log message when compiz fails to load?
[22:54] <ari-tczew> does ubuntu use package nvidia-kernel-common ?
[22:55] <ari-tczew> I would merge this one in natty.
[22:56] <bjsnider> no it does not
[22:56] <bjsnider> it uses nvidia-common though
[22:57] <ari-tczew> bjsnider: so package can be deleted?
[23:01] <bjsnider> what do you mean?
[23:02] <bjsnider> ari-tczew, sorry, i misinterpreted your original question. You can probably delete that package
[23:04] <ari-tczew> bjsnider: ok, I'll open a request.
[23:35] <Alan> Damn, can you guys work out where you want configuration to be? :P
[23:35] <RAOF> It hasn't changed since Lucid :)
[23:35] <Alan> Yes it has
[23:36] <RAOF> Lucid had it in /usr/share/X11l/xorg.conf.d; we backported that patch (didn't we?)
[23:36] <Alan> What was /usr/lib/X11/xorg.conf.d/ now appears to be /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/
[23:36] <Alan> RAOF: not that i can see
[23:36] <Alan> still at /usr/lib in Lucid for me
[23:36] <RAOF> Oh.  Well, either way, it's unlikely to move from /usr/share/X11, which is where it should have been in the first place.
[23:37] <Alan> :P
[23:37] <Alan> At least this isn't a major problem
[23:37] <RAOF> Also, that shouldn't _really_ affect you; /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d will override those snippets (IIRC), and /etc/X11/xorg.conf will override _everything_ :)
[23:37] <Alan> Unlike the last 4 releases which have required completely different hacks to make my mouse button remapping work
[23:37] <Alan> RAOF: I thought /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ didn't work in Lucid?
[23:38] <Alan> i thought that's why i ended up using the /usr/lib/X11.... one in the first place...
[23:38] <RAOF> It might not have worked in Lucid, you're right.
[23:40] <Alan> well i'm glad things have straightened out
[23:41] <RAOF> Yeah.  This should be the final state.
[23:41] <RAOF> For a while, at least.    We've been moving the foundations a bit.
[23:44] <Alan> oh good, just dropped my thing in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and it worked
[23:44] <RAOF> Yay!  Sane configuration!
[23:44] <RAOF> Incidentally, what specifically do you need to configure?
[23:44] <Alan> I love the .d/ habit in Linux
[23:45] <Alan> I have a multi-button mouse, and the side-button on the mouse is significantly more ergonomic than using a middle mouse button ever is, so i remap that button to be another button-2
[23:46] <Alan> and seeming as i use middle mouse button A LOT... it's a pretty important thing for me
[23:46] <Alan> http://www.alanbriolat.co.uk/2010/04/remapping-mouse-buttons-on-ubuntu-lucid/
[23:52]  * RAOF adds that to his UDS blueprint queue.
[23:58] <ari-tczew> could someone take a look on bug 653274
[23:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 653274 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Plymouth doesn't show Kubuntu or Ubuntu logo with Nvidia proprietary driver (affects: 7) (heat: 44)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/653274
[23:58] <ari-tczew> whether it's linux or plymouth affected


[00:58] <cjohnston> if someone has time, could you please read through Bug #899465 and let me know if it makes sense or if I have explained it poorly please.
[00:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 899465 in ubuntuone-servers "Dashboard offers to buy more space, but doesn't tell you how much free space you have (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/899465
[01:21] <dobey> cjohnston: yes; sounds right
[01:22] <cjohnston> thanks dobey
[15:18] <MarkusH> hey there
[15:19] <MarkusH> anybody there who can fix an issue on https://one.ubuntu.com/developer/files/store_files/cloud/ ?
[15:20] <MarkusH> the trailing slash at https://one.ubuntu.com/developer/files/store_files/cloud/#get_apifile_storagev1volumes is wrong. I get 404 response when I try to access that page
[15:44] <MarkusH> oh, and another thing I'd like you to change in the documentation, is the missing '~' sign for the last 4 urls on the previously pasted link
[16:22] <dobey> MarkusH: file a bug against ubuntuone-servers on launchpad about it, please
[17:08] <MarkusH> dobey: ok, I'll do that


[22:29] <el_seano> anyhoo, I'm off for a while.
[22:29]  * el_seano -> idles.
[22:29] <Aginor> kieppie: I'm not finding it in any package
[22:30] <eoss> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z9WVZddH9w
[22:30] <kieppie> Aginor: yea. it looks dodgy. may have been dropped ni recent versions.....
[22:30] <kieppie>  Aginor: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/440466
[22:32] <Taste> so.... last night i was prompted with an updat, so i updated, but after i updated, my sound no longer works.... anyone know whats with that?
[22:33] <conner> Does anyone have any hints as to how to get Ubuntu to see my scanner? It's a wireless network scanner/printer combo. Ubuntu sees the printer just fine, but not the scanner.
[22:33] <erUSUL> !scanner
[22:34] <petar> how do i move from network-manager to /etc/network/interfaces properly?
[22:34] <P67> Evening folks
[22:34] <conner> Thanks. Looking at that info.
[22:34] <erUSUL> petar: just add the ifaces to /etc/network/interfaces  as you see fit. NM will ignore the ifaces defined there
[22:35] <timon> ку
[22:36] <erUSUL> petar: you may have to install resolvconf package
[22:36] <petar> erUSUL: hmm, thanks..  i tried that but NM kept interfering.. now NM is gone but interfaces still doesnt set up the wlan device properly
[22:36] <timon> привет
[22:36] <petar> erUSUL: oh..
[22:36] <erUSUL> !ru | timon
[22:37] <Aginor> kieppie: it looks like they want you to use the userspace driver instead of the kernel driver
[22:37] <timon> privet
[22:37] <kieppie> Aginor: I'll use whatever works. this is where it becomes a bit esoteric for me, sorry.
[22:37] <dre^> Hi. Any ideas why when I choose "ubuntu 10.10 latest" and '64 bit' from the download page, I'm fed an ISO with amd64 in the name? Is this ISO really only for AMD processors?
[22:38] <erUSUL> !amd64
[22:38] <erUSUL> dre^: amd designed the 64 bit instruction set ( that intel later also implemented ) so they got to name it
[22:38] <Aginor> kieppie: have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookAir1-1/Karmic
[22:39] <kieppie>  Aginor: sweet, thanks
[22:39] <dre^> erUSUL: ok... but either there is no intel 64 bit ISO, or it's not available on the download page. Any idea which?
[22:39] <dre^> seems like the latter
[22:39] <Aginor> kieppie: they have the apple remote section, I don't know how much will apply to you though
[22:40] <erUSUL> dre^: so it wasn't clear ... the amd64 iso is compatible with both AMD and Intel rocessors
[22:40] <kieppie> Aginor: should be the same
[22:40] <dre^> erUSUL: ok great, thanks :)
[22:40] <erUSUL> processors*
[22:40] <Aginor> kieppie: in that case you might be in luck :)
[22:41] <kieppie> Aginor: thanks again for your help. makes more sense than anything else I've come accross so far
[22:41] <Some_Person> How long does paste.ubuntu.com keep your paste?
[22:42] <joeoshawa> good question i would like to know taht
[22:42] <joeoshawa> that
[22:42] <erUSUL> Some_Person: no idea maybe in #ubuntu-web they know
[22:42] <Some_Person> erUSUL: There's nobody there
[22:43] <Some_Person> I *REALLY* need to know now! Security risk!
[22:43] <erUSUL> Some_Person: my memory is failing me; i know there is a channel for ubuntu web infrastructure ...
[22:43] <BajK__> would KDE run okay on an Atom D410 with 1,6 GHz and integrated INtel graphics and 2 GB of ram?
[22:44] <erUSUL> Some_Person: is #ubuntu-website
[22:44] <jc-denton> So I put in the new Ubuntu CD to install it on my box and I can't select the second harddrive
[22:44] <jc-denton> Instead it's just complaining that there is no space left on the first disk.
[22:44] <jc-denton> wtf?
[22:44] <jc-denton> and /dev/sdsomething does not exist
[22:45] <Bilz> question
[22:45] <Bilz> if i make a new user and install apache on it
[22:46] <Bilz> it will not load for another user right?
[22:46] <iconmefisto> jc-denton: if you run the livecd, does it see all your disks?
[22:46] <jc-denton> iconmefisto: where can I check that
[22:46] <jc-denton> ?
[22:46] <erUSUL> Bilz: define « install apache on it » for instalation you use sudo and the package is installed as root no matter what the same as if another user suaed sudo to install it
[22:47] <Some_Person> erUSUL: thanks
[22:47] <jc-denton> iconmefisto: What to look for in dmesg?
[22:47] <Bilz> erUSUL, ah, okay, thank you
[22:47] <iconmefisto> jc-denton: just run the livecd, then look in the filemanager to see if your disks are accessible
[22:47] <jc-denton> I don't want that.
[22:49] <jc-denton> iconmefisto: Thats not the Linux way to do it.
[22:49] <petar> when i do sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart -- then the stuff from /etc/network/interfaces gets read and executed (indirectly of course).. but after boot.. nothing
[22:49] <jc-denton> and no they are not
[22:49] <jc-denton> wtf?!
[22:50] <erUSUL> petar: now we use upstart to it would be « sudo start networking »
[22:50] <petar> erUSUL: and how do i add this to the startup routine?
[22:51] <Vooloo> since installing new kernels my network card stops working randomly for 5-10 seconds, what can I do?
[22:51] <joeoshawa> Bilz: it depends on how you install the program if you wish you can make it so all users get it
[22:51] <le0-> so i have teamviewer install on my ubuntu box.. but i cant use it untill i log into the system.. how can i disable the login to go right to desktop when restarted
[22:51] <sacarlson> jc-denton: can you bring up a termianl and try: sudo fdisk -l  to see if you hard disk can be seen?
[22:51] <MrSiebel> Does anyone know how I can go about creating a script to copy php pages from a site?
[22:51] <erUSUL> petar: should be by default
[22:51] <jc-denton> no
[22:51] <jc-denton> sacarlson: no
[22:52] <petar> erUSUL: oh, boy that sounds like trouble
[22:52] <jc-denton> Mainboard is a gigabyte p55a-ud4 and disks are all sata
[22:52] <sacarlson> jc-denton: no you can't run fdisk -l or no your no no hard disks can be seen?
[22:52] <petar> erUSUL: where do I check if its enabled?
[22:52] <petar> (or not)
[22:52] <jc-denton> sacarlson: sudo fdisk -l outputs nothing
[22:53] <dragonkeeper> ;/  "sudo mount -t ntfs "/dev/sdb" "/media/mnt"               then the output says ntfs signature is missing ... wont let me use my drive ?
[22:53]  * jc-denton cockslaps all Ubuntu devs
[22:53] <zzeyu_> once after installing ubuntu-desktop what is the command to display graphical interface ?
[22:53] <sacarlson> jc-denton: then what did you boot from?
[22:53] <joeoshawa> jc-denton: first and formost does your bios see the disk
[22:53] <jc-denton> the cd of course
[22:53] <jc-denton> joeoshawa: windows does it
[22:53] <jc-denton> I'm not dumb.
[22:54] <joeoshawa> i didn't say you were just covering bases
[22:54] <sacarlson> jc-denton: oh is this a wubi install?
[22:54] <jc-denton> sacarlson: I don't know what wubi is and I don't want it
[22:54] <joeoshawa> btw incidentally being rude is an excellent way to have people tell you rtfm
[22:55] <m2mg> zzeyu_: startx
[22:55] <zzeyu_> startx not working
[22:55] <zzeyu_> command not found
[22:55] <sacarlson> jc-denton: I don't like wubi eather,  so you booted direct from cd the pastebin sudo mount
[22:56] <m2mg> zzeyu_: are u logged in ?
[22:56] <joeoshawa> zzeyu_: sudo apt-get install gnome
[22:56] <jc-denton> sacarlson: yes
[22:56] <zzeyu_> yes
[22:56] <ubu_ply> Can anyone tell me if kernel 2.6.36-020636-generic is stable enough for normal usage?
[22:57] <Bilz> thanks guys
[22:57] <m2mg> zzeyu_: log in use name and password then type startx
[22:57] <joeoshawa> type that and tell us what it says
[22:57] <zzeyu_> no i install gnome-desktop
[22:57] <sacarlson> jc-denton:  please pastebin the results of sudo mount for us to see
[22:57] <zzeyu_> i enter my root and password
[22:57] <zzeyu_> and if i do startx
[22:57] <zzeyu_> i got command not found
[22:57] <jc-denton> sacarlson: there is no harddrive
[22:58] <sacarlson> jc-denton: you don't need a hard drive to mount something,  lets see the results
[22:58] <jc-denton>  /dev/sd* no such file or dir
[22:58] <jc-denton> is this normal or what?
[22:59] <joeoshawa> apt-get install x-window-system
[22:59] <MrSiebel> Does anyone know how to copy php?
[22:59] <joeoshawa> zzeyu_: apt-get install x-window-system
[22:59] <erUSUL> MrSiebel: from where?
[22:59] <asdg> hallo
[22:59] <sacarlson> jc-denton: that's the results of sudo mount?  maybe  your not booted are you in grub rescue?
[22:59] <MrSiebel> From a site not owned or hosted by me. Facebook specifically
[22:59] <zzeyu_> no package found joe
[22:59] <sburwood1> During boot, I have a list of different kernels to boot from.  How do I remove those that I don't want to use?
[23:00] <sburwood1> I use Ubuntu 10.10
[23:00] <joeoshawa> what distro etc you using exactly
[23:00] <jc-denton> sacarlson: no i'm not
[23:00] <erUSUL> MrSiebel: you can not,
[23:00] <joeoshawa> all this should be installed already
[23:00] <sburwood1> joeoshawa: I use Ubuntu 10.10
[23:00] <sburwood1> Maverick
[23:00] <sacarlson> jc-denton: no your not in boot rescue?  try ls
[23:01] <MrSiebel> So do I have to own the database to have access to the php?
[23:01] <jc-denton> sacarlson: ?
[23:01] <joeoshawa> sorry my bad that was for someone else
[23:01] <m2mg> zzeyu_: try this sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[23:01] <jc-denton> it finds something when i grep for sata in dmesg
[23:01] <joeoshawa> zzeyu_:  what distro exactly
[23:01] <zzeyu_> ubuntu
[23:01] <joeoshawa> 10.10?
[23:01] <zzeyu_> yes
[23:01] <sburwood1> joeoshawa: are you answering me?  Because since the installation, there have been other kernels installed
[23:01] <joeoshawa> not zzeyu
[23:02] <joeoshawa> sorry no zzeyu
[23:02] <sacarlson> jc-denton:  if you can grep then you must be booted,  why can't we get results from sudo mount command?
[23:02] <wasnik> how to get bamboo to work on karmic
[23:02] <jc-denton> sacarlson: because I don't have a browser?!
[23:02] <joeoshawa> zzeyu_: i don't understand this should all be installed by default
[23:02] <erUSUL> !pastebinit | jc-denton
[23:02] <m2mg> zzeyu_: did that work ??
[23:03] <sacarlson> jc-denton: you don't need a browser you need a terminal type in a terminal  sudo mount
[23:03] <clarkfischer> I'm trying to install ubuntu netbook on my Acer Aspire One netbook, and I've made a bootable USB disk per the tutorial, but my netbook won't boot to it! How can I get it to boot to the USB disk?
[23:03] <clarkfischer> I've changed the boot order, btw
[23:03] <zzeyu_> no not working m2mg
[23:03] <zzeyu_> command not found
[23:04] <joeoshawa> zzeyu_: are you sure you didn't install debian by mistake?
[23:04] <jc-denton> sacarlson: The hd should be available at /dev/sda or something, right?
[23:04] <sacarlson> jc-denton: also in a terminal try the command sudo fdisk -l
[23:04] <jc-denton> sacarlson: Yes that returns nothing
[23:04] <jc-denton> as I said about 100 times
[23:04] <zzeyu_> may be
[23:04] <sacarlson> jc-denton: yes but you also said mount shows nothing and that's imposible
[23:04] <jc-denton> Maybe change the sata mode from ide to ahci
[23:05] <jc-denton> ?
[23:05] <joeoshawa> it should still install those packages but it would make more sence
[23:05] <w1n5ton0> Can someone help me with partitioning
[23:05] <w1n5ton0> ?
[23:05] <ledah> clarkfischer: you're using ubuntu right now and want to install it over it or just a clean instalation?
[23:05] <joeoshawa> guys what is a command for checking your distro via command line
[23:05] <jc-denton> Sooooo
[23:06] <jc-denton> I changed the serial ata control to ahci and it worked!
[23:06] <erUSUL> joeoshawa: lsb_release -a
[23:06] <sacarlson> jc-denton: so if we don't recieve the info we need we can't help you
[23:06] <jc-denton> Linux can't deal with ide mode?!!
[23:06] <clarkfischer> ledah: Clean installation, it currently is running Win7
[23:06] <w1n5ton0> I have a 30 GB ntfs partition
[23:06] <jc-denton> and what is ahci anyways?
[23:06] <w1n5ton0> And a whole bunch of unallocated space
[23:06] <joeoshawa> nm he left
[23:06] <Blue1> joeoshawa: cat /etc/issue
[23:07] <ledah> clarkfischer: a dual boot?
[23:07] <clarkfischer> ledah: No, I really have no need for win7 ;)
[23:07] <erUSUL> jc-denton: ahci is the best mode for a sata chip to work. ide emulation is only there so retarded ( windows XP ) OS's do not choke on install
[23:07] <joeoshawa> debian is a perfectly good disto dont' get me wrong just a completely different problem
[23:07] <w1n5ton0> How do I tell the installer to use all the extra space?
[23:07] <erUSUL> jc-denton: and i say that linux forcing ahci on users is Good Thing (tm)
[23:07] <jc-denton> erUSUL: will my windows still work after I changed it?
[23:08] <clarkfischer> ledah: Is there a way I can verify that the USB drive is valid?
[23:08] <m2mg> zzeyu_: type this in and it will tell u what version of linux u are useing  lsb_release -a
[23:08] <erUSUL> jc-denton: it may need to install the ahci drivers in the next boot
[23:08] <jc-denton> erUSUL: yeah like that it does not install when u just enter the cd is a good thing.
[23:08] <w1n5ton0> Do I set it as a logical or primary partition?
[23:08] <ledah> clarkfischer: change the boot order in the bios
[23:08] <w1n5ton0> -_-
[23:08] <clarkfischer> ledah: I've done it. It checks it for a second, then reverts to win7
[23:08] <joeoshawa> i made a great kids computer with a dell t500 and debian with fluxbox and rox
[23:08] <erUSUL> jc-denton: you come here; we tell you about your evil ways. you change your bios settings and everything works ;) for the better
[23:09] <jc-denton> erUSUL: I mean they could at least write it somewhere, if they don't wnat to support it
[23:09] <kbp> I got this weird problem. Whenever I connect to a network, the /etc/resolve.conf changes, but when I connect to home network it doesn't. And I have to manually edit the file to nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>. Anyone know how to solve?
[23:09] <erUSUL> jc-denton: to be fair it should support the ide mode too; somethimes you need to pass the all-generic-ide boot option
[23:09] <ledah> if it doesn't autostart maybe the usb have an issue or maybe the live cd, how do you create the usb?
[23:10] <joeoshawa> incidentally if anyone knows how to find a fried resistor in a crt monitor my 4 year old would love you for ever
[23:10] <Blue1> joeoshawa: requires an ohm meter
[23:10] <ereotav> >	what is the format that ubuntu prefers for external hdd
[23:10] <dascapital_> please tell me you can see what im saying
[23:10] <joeoshawa> i know just wish i knew the rest of it
[23:10] <strigoi_66> dascapital: yes we see
[23:11] <dascapital_> alright thanks
[23:11] <Blue1> ereotav: whatever you want - but the default is ext4
[23:11] <joeoshawa> numbers it should be at etc
[23:11] <MACscr> xfs ftw
[23:11] <joeoshawa> may take it to a school with electrical shop
[23:11] <ledah> clarkfischer: via live usb crator fedora or the win7 one?
[23:11] <joeoshawa> its a 20 inch
[23:11] <dascapital_> im trying to connect to the internet from ubuntu but its not working
[23:11] <m2mg> ereotav: it doesn't matter for the most part vfat, ntfs or ext3/4
[23:11] <jc-denton> does linux still use swap?
[23:11] <joeoshawa> the screen
[23:11] <itaylor57> dascapital_: is your real name KarL?
[23:11] <dascapital_> i think it wont recognize a wireless card or something
[23:11] <dascapital_> no
[23:11] <joeoshawa> without casing
[23:12] <dascapital_> its Jake
[23:12] <ubentobox> I have been having trouble with my Ubuntu 10.10 server.  Anyone know why links to hosted files work fine for some people and others can only right click link and save as but not view or dl by left click?
[23:12] <joeoshawa> jc-denton: yes
[23:12] <clarkfischer> ledah: I'm using a mac os x laptop to create the USB drive. I used hdiutil to convert it to an img then dd to copy it to the drive
[23:12] <joeoshawa> jc-denton: especially for suspend
[23:12] <dascapital_> so can anyone help me connect to the internet
[23:12] <jc-denton> so why can't I define a mountpoint for swap in the ubuntu instlal thing
[23:12] <erUSUL> jc-denton: swap does not have a mont point
[23:13] <strigoi_66> dascapital_: What seems to be the problem?
[23:13] <dascapital_> it wont connect
[23:13] <dascapital_> even if i plug in the ethernet cable
[23:13] <dascapital_> doesnt show any networks
[23:13] <dascapital_> i can get internet when i boot into windows though
[23:13] <strigoi_66> dascapital_: Are you on a router?
[23:13] <dascapital_> yes
[23:14] <dascapital_> do you think it would work if i just removed the router
[23:14] <ubentobox> can anyone here help me figure out why a file is downloadable only by half the people who click it?
[23:14] <dascapital_> and plugged it directly into the phone line
[23:14] <dascapital_> im a retard
[23:14] <joeoshawa> strigoi_66: does ubuntu see the network card
[23:14] <saganbyte> Hi
[23:15] <szhou3> physics
[23:15] <strigoi_66> dascapital_: You could try but maybe just reset the router and modem so that it can refresh the ip address!
[23:15] <dascapital_> how do i test if it can see it
[23:15] <dascapital_> i did try to reset
[23:15] <saganbyte> Is there someway I can downgrade a program (libjpeg62)
[23:15] <dascapital_> fuck
[23:15] <saganbyte> or even just remove it... though while trying to remove it, synaptic shows a whole lot os stuff that ll get removed with it
[23:15] <saganbyte> incliuding gnome
[23:16] <ledah> clarkfischer: diskutil is the same as hdiutil? sorry low mac use, i heard about it via diskutil
[23:16] <brontoeee> something about user mime types
[23:16] <dascapital_> hello
[23:16] <dascapital_> i tried disconnecting the router
[23:16] <dascapital_> lol
[23:16] <brontoeee> ubentobox,
[23:16] <dascapital_> but then i realized you wouldnt be able to talk to me anymore
[23:16] <gmg> I need advice on a advance power managment program to control USB ports while a laptop is in suspend mode....Any Ideas?
[23:16] <gibbster> Hey guys. Really weird problem: my password works for sudo, but not for the software center. What's going on?
[23:16] <clarkfischer> ledah: htiutil is basically just a disk manipulation utility. I just used it to convert the .iso to a .img
[23:16] <strigoi_66> dascapital_: did you power off the router and the modem
[23:16] <dascapital_> no
[23:16] <ubentobox> yeah brontoeee?
[23:17] <dascapital_> i guess ill try that
[23:17] <clarkfischer> ledah: Is there a good way to verify the validity of the usb drive?
[23:17] <brontoeee> something about user mime types
[23:17] <realmatt> I am having difficulty getting nfs to mount when I reboot.  I have configured /etc/fstab but no dice.
[23:17] <joeoshawa> dascapital you should have a listing under system network tools that says loopback interface (lo) then if you hit the arrow it should list one that says something like ethernet interface (eth0)
[23:17] <ubentobox> you think that would cost it?
[23:17] <ubentobox> err causse
[23:17] <realmatt> also I can mount using sudo mount -a after the machine boots with no problems
[23:17] <sacarlson> dascapital_: did you try in a terminal ifconfig
[23:18] <m2mg> dascapital_: dont feel bad i have a laptop that if i boot XP then ubuntu i have no Internet but if i unplug it for 2 min's then boot Ubuntu i get Internet something about my network card in that laptop
[23:18] <erUSUL> realmatt: mount is attemped before network is accesible ?
[23:18] <joeoshawa> if i reboot i have to log in wait log out then log in again
[23:19] <realmatt> erUSUL: that is what I am thinking.  I have the _netdev option in fstab but still nothing
[23:19] <joeoshawa> then i have internet
[23:19] <dascapital__> i tried turning off and on the router
[23:19] <dascapital__> didnt work
[23:19] <joeoshawa> i think its the router
[23:19] <gmg> I need a advance power managment program for laptops to manage USB port...Any help
[23:19] <dascapital__> the router works fine i get perfect internet on windows and os x
[23:19] <joeoshawa> dascapital: do you have two machines
[23:20] <erUSUL> realmatt: use autofs?
[23:20] <dascapital__> yes im typing on a desktop
[23:20] <ledah> clarkfischer: fsck is the only one i can think right now
[23:20] <erUSUL> !autofs
[23:20] <dascapital__> can not connect from laptop
[23:20] <joeoshawa> dascapital__: sorry the router comment was about my router
[23:20] <sacarlson> dascapital_   in a terminal try pastebin the output of the command ifconfig
[23:20] <dascapital__> oh ok
[23:20] <realmatt> erUSUL: i'll look into it thanks
[23:21] <joeoshawa> thats gonna be alot of typing
[23:21] <joeoshawa> lol
[23:21] <Israfel-Laptop> joeoshawa, Is it wireless?
[23:21] <joeoshawa> no its a wireless router but i have a wired connection
[23:21] <biiter> hello. what is the difference between ubuntu for dekstop and ubuntu for laptops? (except the gui environment)
[23:21] <clarkfischer> ledah: That will verify that the filesystem isn't corrupt, but it won't necessarily verify that the data on the USB drive is 100% what I downloaded, correct?
[23:21] <joeoshawa> wireless is turned off
[23:22] <ubentobox> http://lifehacker.com/5744175/screenshot-tour-of-android-30-honeycomb-built-for-tabletshttp://lifehacker.com/5744175/screenshot-tour-of-android-30-honeycomb-built-for-tabletshttp://lifehacker.com/5744175/screenshot-tour-of-android-30-honeycomb-built-for-tabletshttp://lifehacker.com/5744175/screenshot-tour-of-android-30-honeycomb-built-for-tablets:q
[23:22] <gmg> Does anyone have any idea for aprogram to manage hardware while in suspend mode
[23:22] <joeoshawa> and i can't connect without it its a 2wire router/dsl modem
[23:22] <ubentobox> woops excuse that
[23:22] <Israfel-Laptop> joeoshawa, Might want to just try restarting Netword Manager rather than logging in and out.
[23:22] <ubentobox> cat ran over keyboard
[23:22] <ledah> clarkfischer: yes, but why the question where you downloaded the iso file?
[23:22] <joeoshawa> lol i forget the command
[23:23] <yann2> hello! my clock widget displays "12:22 AM" - not sure but I tend to think that it's not very appropriate, I'd understand 00:22 AM better. Bug or just me?
[23:23] <joeoshawa> didn't think about it till now
[23:23] <clarkfischer> ledah: I don't know. It won't boot, so my first instinct is that something is corrupted. I downloaded the legitimate iso from ubuntu.com/netbook
[23:23] <Israfel-Laptop> joeoshawa, Or, where it says "Available to all users" check might work.
[23:23] <joeoshawa> what is the command i will put a widget up top
[23:24] <joeoshawa> it is rather anoying
[23:24] <Elad> if I am trying to rsync data from a machine that has a limit of 1.5mb per connection and my connection speed is 50mb/down, is there a way to make multiple connections using rysnc from the same machine without getting duplicate data?
[23:24] <joeoshawa> never happened with rogers
[23:25] <dascapital__> http://pastebin.com/h5sQ6tf1
[23:25] <dascapital__> thats ifconfig
[23:25] <ledah> clarkfischer: well unless something weird happened in the download process i doubt it, do you have a win pc near or a linux? if you have format the usb to fat system move the iso to the drive then download UNetbootin
[23:25] <joeoshawa> funny thing up here rogers doesn't officially support linux however they do look for employees with linux experience
[23:25] <smoak> im running ubuntu server x86_64 10.10 with an NVIDIA ION GPU and its connected to a TV via HDMI but im getting a recurring blank-picture-blank-picture, etc. when starting X...it works fine on my monitor via DVI cable...
[23:26] <joeoshawa> bell does not in any way shape or form support linux
[23:26] <sacarlson> Elad: I guess you could since it's the same as ssh and I can ssh into one system many times
[23:26] <Israfel-Laptop> joeoshawa, That's because Linux users are less lazy than pure Windows users.
[23:26] <Aginor> Elad: http://code.google.com/p/parallel-ssh/ might be for you
[23:26] <m_fulder> hello there
[23:26] <joeoshawa> yeah but why rogers yes and linux no
[23:26] <joeoshawa> sorry bell no
[23:26] <dascapital__> so can anyone help me get my internet on ubuntu
[23:27] <sacarlson> Elad: just have each rsync do different directorys?
[23:27] <m_fulder> Im having a really weird problem .. while erasing a file say 5 GB from my HDD while I have 16 GB free space .. and then emptying my trash there's still only 16 GB left ... why ist that ?
[23:27] <Elad> Aginor, thanks for the link
[23:27] <joeoshawa> bell tells there employees only to say we do not support linux even if they know the answer
[23:27] <bobobo> hello, anyone using actively the command line? I want to change the colors from the command line :(
[23:27] <erUSUL> dascapital__: you do not have a eth0 in the ifconfig -a output?
[23:27] <Elad> sacarlson, that is kind of what I was thinking, but was wondering if I could do a larger grouping.. and ultimately be lazy
[23:27] <strigoi_66> dascapital_: Please be patient as there are many options to consider in helping someone!
[23:27] <Elad> :)
[23:27] <gibbster> Hey guys. Ubuntu software center (and other gui apps) aren't accepting my password. Any idea about what's going on?
[23:28] <bobobo> gibbster: Lock CAPS on?
[23:28] <Israfel-Laptop> joeoshawa, Well, as far as tech support, networking should be independent of OS.
[23:28] <dascapital__>  nope
[23:28] <gibbster> bobobo: nope. I can sudo in a terminal right after
[23:28] <joeoshawa> i know
[23:28] <dascapital__> erUSUL_:
[23:28] <erUSUL> dascapital__: what ethernet chip/card do you have?
[23:28] <sacarlson> Elad: I'm not sure how there accounting is working also,  maybe they just count how much to what ip address not what port
[23:28] <erUSUL> dascapital__: lspci | grep -i net
[23:28] <bobobo> Sinaptics? Another instance of software center already opened?
[23:28] <Israfel-Laptop> joeoshawa, So giving tech support for OS specific settings isn't supposed to be their job.
[23:28] <jc-denton> Can I install grub on my Windows harddrive and then load Windows and linux from there?
[23:28] <gibbster> bobobo: just restarted
[23:29] <bobobo> gibbster: then I really don't know :)
[23:29] <erUSUL> !dualboot | jc-denton
[23:29] <KM0201> jc-denton: i don't see why you couldn't... where is grub installed now?
[23:29] <jc-denton> Can grub load an os from another (physical) disk?
[23:29] <gibbster> it's really weird
[23:29] <joeoshawa> yeah i realise that but with rogers i asked for certian info and the guy said you got linux and said do this this this and this
[23:29] <joeoshawa> bing connected
[23:29] <KM0201> jc-denton: yes, of course
[23:29] <ezy> !stats
[23:29] <dascapital__> erUSUL_: how do i tell what my ethernet chip is?
[23:29] <jc-denton> cool
[23:29] <joeoshawa> bell sorry sir go to control pannel
[23:30] <joeoshawa> i just want the numbers
[23:30] <jc-denton> ok now just the nvidia dev drivers are left
[23:30] <KM0201> !grub2 | jc-denton there's instructions here to reinstall grub, you just need to adjust your "target" drive.
[23:30] <erUSUL> dascapital__: paste the *one* or *two* line(s) here
[23:30] <joeoshawa> sorry sir you need to go to control
[23:30] <joeoshawa> i dont have windows
[23:30] <dascapital__> ...
[23:30] <joeoshawa> i have linux
[23:30] <dascapital__> what lines?
[23:30] <joeoshawa> we do not support linux
[23:30] <joeoshawa> click
[23:30] <iiDesigns> you just need to ask the right questions like i need the dns joeoshawa bell always gives them out
[23:30] <m_fulder> anyone? why does my HDD don't get more space when I erase files from it??
[23:30] <Vooloo> since installing new kernels my network card stops working randomly for 5-10 seconds, what can I do?
[23:30] <erUSUL> dascapital__: the ones « lspci | grep -i net » returned
[23:31] <joeoshawa> i asked that they are dense
[23:31] <KM0201> joeoshawa: very few places support linux, so if you're the type to call tech support for anything, linux is not for you.
[23:31] <erUSUL> m_fulder: some filesystem corruption? passed a fsck ¿?
[23:31] <joeoshawa> i got an installer i know to give me the info
[23:31] <m2mg> dascapital_: from what u posted u dont have a network card only a loop back from what i see
[23:31] <gibbster> bobobo: I got around it by doing sudo software-center
[23:31] <suigeneris> why does ubuntu want not to update linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic?
[23:31] <gibbster> bobobo: but that's a workaround, not a solution
[23:31] <m_fulder> erUSUL, passed a fsck? what do you mean+
[23:32] <joeoshawa> i was looking for the numbers and password connection info not tech support
[23:32] <dascapital__> erUSUL_: Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications AR8151 v1.0 Gigabit Ethernet (rev c0)
[23:32] <Israfel-Laptop> suigeneris, Is it alreayd up to date?
[23:32] <erUSUL> fsck is the tool to do a filesystem check in linux
[23:32] <suigeneris> Israfel-Laptop, newer versions ae in the repos
[23:32] <suigeneris> are*
[23:33] <bobobo> gibbster: that's odd, what version are you using?
[23:33] <dascapital__> i dunno lol
[23:33] <Senix> does Ubuntu support genius gpen m609 drawing pad?
[23:33] <Israfel-Laptop> suigeneris, Are they the stable ones? What does the sudo apt-get message say? (Click Details if using the GUI.)
[23:33] <gibbster> bobobo: 10.10
[23:33] <erUSUL> dascapital__: do this « sudo modprobe atl1e » and the do « sudo ifconfig -a »
[23:33] <erUSUL> dascapital__: does eth0 show up now?
[23:33] <gibbster> bobobo: I upgraded to the desktop from the server version though
[23:33] <suigeneris> Israfel-Laptop, I'm not using GUI,
[23:33] <l0ve> woohoooo! my battery backup works!
[23:33] <gibbster> bobobo: maybe that has something to do with it
[23:34] <m_fulder> ah erUSUL ..thile running just "fsck" I get the error message : WARNING!!! The filesystem is mounted .. If you continue you WILL cause SERVE filesystem damage ... should I still run it? :S
[23:34] <Israfel-Laptop> suigeneris, So what's the message when you try to install/update it?
[23:34] <iiDesigns> suigerneris are you doing any virtual machines on the unit
[23:34] <dascapital__> erUSUL_: gimme a sec
[23:34] <erUSUL> m_fulder: you have to do it from a livecd or do a « sudo touch /forcefsck » and reboot
[23:34] <fumblnoob> m_fulder: do not fsck a live filesystem
[23:34] <bobobo> peraphs
[23:34] <erUSUL> m_fulder: no do not do it with the fs mounted
[23:34] <suigeneris> Israfel-Laptop, it just says those will not be updated
[23:35] <bobobo> gibbster: are you skilled on the server?
[23:35] <dascapital__> erUSUL_: still no eth0
[23:35] <Senix> does Ubuntu support genius gpen m609 drawing pad?
[23:35] <lolcat> Hello
[23:35] <gibbster> bobobo: yeah. not bad. but there a few times when gnome is useful
[23:35] <lolcat> What is that wireless internet sharing program?
[23:35] <Israfel-Laptop> suigeneris, Maybe they've been replaced by something else?
[23:35] <suraj> does anyone knows how to mount LVM partition in ubuntu10.10?
[23:35] <lolcat> That shares internet through ad-hoc
[23:35] <m_fulder> ah hm :(
[23:35] <Jordan_U> lolcat: Network manager can do that.
[23:35] <m_fulder> no other options to check/repair it erUSUL , fumblnoob
[23:36] <dascapital__> erUSUL_: eth0 still doesnt show up
[23:36] <goddard> how can i launch nautilus as a specific user not just root?
[23:36] <suigeneris> no idea
[23:36] <Jordan_U> lolcat: System > Preferences > Network Conntections. Create a new shared connection.
[23:36] <erUSUL> dascapital__: :/
[23:36] <m_fulder> or can't I just check it for another disk erUSUL  ?
[23:36] <suigeneris> anyway, I've to hit the sack
[23:36] <lolcat> Jordan_U: And it works? And I can share my internet?  Its refreshing like 10 times  a second when you make a new thread...
[23:37] <gibbster> bobobo: no sorry. not something I particularly care about
[23:37] <bazhang> chiking, ask in #ubuntuforums
[23:37] <dascapital__> erUSUL_: all in one line?
[23:38] <bobobo> gibbster: ok :)
[23:38] <lolcat> Jordan_U: I can't see the create a new shared connection
[23:38] <goddard> suraj i wanna open it as a different user not root though
[23:38] <Akytaru> can someone login to the unbutu forum and download this attachment http://art.ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=168011&d=1283224445 and post it on an upload service - as for some reason I can't get logged in...!
[23:38] <chiking> I can get it for you Akytaru
[23:39] <erUSUL> goddard: gksudo -u user_here nautilus
[23:39] <m_fulder> here's what Im getting while running sudo fsck /dev/sdb...: http://pastebin.com/Pry10XMr
[23:39] <suraj> goddard, try "su - username" without quotes
[23:39] <lolcat> Jordan_U: I see Wired - Wireless - Mobile Broadband - VPN and DLS
[23:39] <joeoshawa> Senix: http://digitalbluewave.blogspot.com/2008/10/genius-wizardpen-with-intrepid-ibex.html
[23:39] <goddard> erUSUL NICE
[23:39] <joeoshawa> someone used that to get it working
[23:39] <nabil> Hello there :)
[23:39] <chiking> Here you go acky
[23:39] <joeoshawa> said it works great
[23:39] <jc-denton> how do I stop gdm with upstart?
[23:39] <dascapital__> erUSUL_: just says could not resolve security.ubuntu.com
[23:39] <joeoshawa> may just plug and play now who knows
[23:40] <jc-denton> upstop gdm>
[23:40] <jc-denton> upstop gdm?
[23:40] <dascapital__> erUSUL_: for everything it tries to do
[23:40] <jrib> jc-denton: if you read /etc/init/gdm.conf it will educate you :)  (add "text" to your kernel line in grub)
[23:40] <jc-denton> saw it
[23:40] <suraj> jc-denton, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[23:40] <jc-denton> thx
[23:40] <jc-denton> suraj: no
[23:40] <erUSUL> m_fulder: sdb is the whole disk you should use the partition sdb1 or sdb2 or whatever it is
[23:40] <Jordan_U> lolcat: Sorry, I explained poorly and it looks like there is an easier way than even that. This video shows how to do it: http://magazine.redhat.com/2008/10/16/video-fedora-10-connection-sharing/
[23:41] <jrib> jc-denton: sorry, what I said assumed you wanted to know how to stop if from starting automatically at boot.  If you just want to stop it now, you can do: sudo stop gdm
[23:41] <suraj> jc-denton, what exactly you want to do then?
[23:41] <jc-denton> install nv dev driver
[23:41] <lolcat> Jordan_U: That is fedora!
[23:41] <m_fulder> erUSUL, then this is what I got: http://pastebin.com/FbHb1TSm which I guess is good news
[23:41] <madprof> I'm wanting to start C++ what libs, program/s would i need?
[23:42] <Jordan_U> lolcat: It works exactly the same way in Ubuntu. Both use network-manager.
[23:42] <itaylor57> !dev
[23:42] <erUSUL> m_fulder: yes
[23:42] <mungesh> can someone help me out with privoxy?.....can get it to install and run on default ip:port, but after changing to lan netmask and different port, privoxy cannot bind to ip (permission denied)
[23:42] <erUSUL> !ide | madprof install anjuta
[23:43] <m_fulder> erUSUL, if it's clean why doesn't it erase files properly? :S
[23:43] <madprof> excellent!! thnx ;)
[23:43] <ClifFoo> any suggestions for fixing / downgrading ati drivers? When I finished my fresh mav-install ATI card worked a treat... now, gnome, X and the ATI card are all not working properly
[23:43] <erUSUL> m_fulder: dunno; you can force the fsck in a clean fs passingm -f tp fsck
[23:43] <sacarlson> dascapital__: maybe try in a terminal sudo modprobe atl1c
[23:43] <ClifFoo> I've trawled the forums already, but fiddling with metacity and x11-config isn't much use
[23:44] <dascapital__> sacarlson_: we already tried that
[23:44] <lolcat> Jordan_U: I am pretty sure that stuff don't work...
[23:44] <goddard> It wont let me open nautilus as another user
[23:44] <joeoshawa> ack ati noooooo
[23:44] <sacarlson> dascapital__: sorry missed it
[23:44] <joeoshawa> sorry dude nvidia here
[23:44] <joeoshawa> myself that is
[23:44] <chiking> Anyone know why a new Ubuntu 10.10 installation CD would cause this on a laptop? --- http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1448/dsc01807q.jpg
[23:44] <suraj> goddard, what was the error?
[23:44] <Jordan_U> lolcat: I did it just last week.
[23:44] <ClifFoo> All I have is a background, and any mounted drives are 'listed' on the desktop. no menus, mouse occasionally fails and the only keyboard shortcuts avail are for the terminal and the file-explorer
[23:44] <goddard> I tried gksudo -u username nautilus
[23:45] <goddard> and it appears to work but nothing happens
[23:45] <suraj> goddard, there is another way, try "ssh username@localhost -X" without quotes
[23:45] <goddard> then i tried su - username
[23:45] <goddard> and that didn't work
[23:45] <lolcat> Jordan_U: My network manager doesn't do anything apparently...
[23:45] <charas> VPS problem: I created a new user on my Ubuntu VPS. Now when I enter "who" it only shows "root" user.
[23:45] <ClifFoo> I'm coping with a terminal and my notes, but my workflow is seriously restricted
[23:45] <joeoshawa> my ex's dell did that
[23:45] <ClifFoo> !ati
[23:45] <goddard> says no protocol specific
[23:45] <joeoshawa> try 10.04
[23:45] <joeoshawa> then upgrade
[23:45] <ClifFoo> hmm
[23:45] <chiking> Are you talking to me joe?
[23:46] <lolcat> Bah, it wants a distrubution upgrade wich doesn't work
[23:46] <joeoshawa> yeah sorry
[23:46] <Jordan_U> lolcat: The icon doesn't exist in the pannel? It's frozen? What do you mean by "doesn't do anything"?
[23:46] <jpsman> what is the terminal command to run after a program to have it run outside of the terminal emulator?
[23:46] <ClifFoo> and I've already done a make-install effort for the binary ati drivers
[23:46] <chiking> I did that originally and it killed my WiFi drivers
[23:46] <jrib> jpsman: disown
[23:46] <lolcat> Jordan_U: I can open the menu where I select things from nm-applet, but clicking on anything doesn't do anything
[23:46] <ClifFoo> jpsman: using & after a command delegates it to 'background'
[23:46] <suraj> goddard, sorry, you have to change the username with the real username which is exist in you computer... for example if i have a user name suraj I will type " su - suraj"
[23:46] <chiking> So i figured I'd use 10.10 directly
[23:46] <jpsman> jrib, ClifFoo danke
[23:46] <ClifFoo> which leaves your terminal relatively free most of the time
[23:47] <erUSUL> jpsman: nohup command & or command & disown $!
[23:47] <erUSUL> jpsman: or use screen/tmux
[23:47] <jc-denton> do u guys acctually like the default ubuntu theme?
[23:47] <erUSUL> !screen
[23:47] <jrib> jc-denton: yes
[23:47] <le0-> why did teamviewer install in another language
[23:47] <le0-> ?
[23:47] <le0-> (18:15:58) (PReEE940) [FXP] -READY- Client.9.The.Rise.And.Fall.Of.Eliot.Spitzer.2010.NTSC.DVDR-NTX on vv_dvdr
[23:47] <goddard> suraj that worked strange though i have to ssh to my own machine
[23:47] <le0-> (
[23:47] <mungesh> can someone help me out with privoxy?.....can get it to install and run on default ip:port, but after changing to lan netmask and different port, privoxy cannot bind to ip (permission denied)
[23:47] <m_fulder> erUSUL,  still doesn't work :( it doesn't show any errors .. jsut created the lost&found folder .. but still I can see only 16 GB free on my disc
[23:48] <joeoshawa> chiking: her dell did that actually i think it was a 10.04 problem so i installed 10.10 beta and updated right away and it worked
[23:48] <suraj> goddard, :-)
[23:48] <dascapital__> do you think if i buy a new wireless card it could connect to the internet then??
[23:48] <piercedw_> what package do I need to satisfy a MPEG AAC Audio requirement for ffmpeg? Im trying to convert videos
[23:48] <erUSUL> m_fulder: how did you removed the files? could they be still in the trash folder?
[23:48] <strigoi_66> dascapital_: try a usb version
[23:48] <joeoshawa> but if you left it on too long for a while it froze
[23:48] <m_fulder> erUSUL,  I removed them from trash aswell
[23:48] <charas> VPS problem: I created a new user on my Ubuntu VPS. Now when I enter "who" it only shows "root" user. What happened to my newly created user?
[23:48] <erUSUL> piercedw_: you need the medibuntu libs afaik
[23:49] <jrib> charas: did you login as the new user?
[23:49] <piercedw_> ok
[23:49] <joeoshawa> few months later an update fixed it
[23:49] <erUSUL> !medibuntu | piercedw_
[23:49] <jpsman> erUSUL: holy monkeys thank you
[23:49] <charas> jrib: Nope
[23:49] <jrib> charas: so what do you expect...?
[23:49] <joeoshawa> now she has a whole new motherboard lol
[23:49] <charas> jrib: Ahh so this is is the problem. Thanks.
[23:49] <jrib> charas: "who (1)              - show who is logged on" :)
[23:49] <m2mg> dascapital_: try this command and tell me if it sees your net card  lspci
[23:50] <erUSUL> charas: if it is not logged it wont be in who or w output
[23:50] <lda17h> hi
[23:50] <lda17h> i'm trying to install 10.10 here
[23:50] <m2mg> dascapital_: it's sounding like your net card went out
[23:50] <piercedw_> erUSUL: do u know the name of the package?
[23:50] <erUSUL> charas: ouch jrib already told you as much ... ;P
[23:50] <charas> erUSUL: Yeah I guess. I should login from the new user to make it "active"
[23:50] <lda17h> it seams parted_server crashes...
[23:50] <lda17h> and the install is stuck after pressing forward on the second screen
[23:50] <erUSUL> piercedw_: it will update automatically when you add the repo and use the update manager
[23:51] <joeoshawa> chiking: what laptop model exactly
[23:51] <piercedw_> It said it will deactivate if I update Ubuntu though
[23:51] <m2mg> dascapital_: the lspci is only going to show your hardware info
[23:51] <erUSUL> piercedw_: it is libavcodec-extra-52 iirc
[23:51] <piercedw_> thanks
[23:54] <kucin> oco tu chodzi
[23:54] <Cairo|Backup> i started my computer up today
[23:54] <Cairo|Backup> tlogged in
[23:54] <bazhang> !pl | kucin
[23:54] <Cairo|Backup> and it just pushed me back to the login screen
[23:54] <kucin> teraz niemam windowsa
[23:54] <Cairo|Backup> has anyone had this problem?
[23:54] <xiackok> i think my ubuntu display 16-bit colors how can i configure to 32-bit
[23:54] <bazhang> Cairo|Backup, please dont use the enter key so much
[23:54] <Cairo|Backup> ok sorry
[23:55] <bazhang> kucin, /join #ubuntu-pl , here is English
[23:55] <kucin> #ubuntu.pl
[23:55] <Vooloo> since installing new kernels my network card stops working randomly for 5-10 seconds, what can I do?
[23:55] <lda17h> ok, unplugging a USB drive fixed it :(
[23:57] <jc-denton> wow flash and sound works, didn't expect that
[23:57] <jc-denton> so i have to go
[23:57] <jc-denton> cu
[23:58] <orly_go> my 3 huwei e169g modem stays on CD storage mode on maverick, do i need usb modeswitch to get it to appear as tty* in dmesg?
[23:58] <craigbass1976> My kids are running lxde on a rather slow box (2ghz celeron with a gig of ram--actually that doesn't sound slow, but then again I remember my 8088...) and I'm wondering which games from the repos will tend to work on this box.  Is there a list somewhere with system requirements?


 good afternoon,
 I've just realized almost everything from kde started to fail to build since the new mesa upload
 http://tritemio-groomlake.duckdns.org/build-status/buildstatus_ubuntu-exp2/ubuntu-exp2_status_frameworks.html
 https://salsa.debian.org/xorg-team/lib/mesa/blob/debian-unstable/debian/changelog
 ↑ quote:
 Don't install EGL/GL/GLES headers or pkg-config files, they're shipped by libglvnd 1.3.0 now. Make old -dev packages transitional, except libegl1-mesa-dev which still has two mesa specific headers.
 so, after a quick inspection of this thing, I have the impression that libglvnd-dev should be added to the depends of qtbase5-dev
 what do you think? am I missing something?
 I am in process of fixing this in qtbase.
 Already done one upload to Debian, but it FTBFS itself :) … Working on a new one.
 ok, thank you very much
 @Santa [so, after a quick inspection of this thing, I have the impression that libglvnd- …], It will be libgl-dev and libegl-dev, not the whole libglvnd-dev.
 @mitya57 [It will be libgl-dev and libegl-dev, not the whole libglvnd-dev.], 👍


[18:08] <sdh> just fyi the schedule in the topic doesn't list the events of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Sessions


[04:47] <LaserJock> you might have to ask the LP admins
[04:48] <LaserJock> DARKGuy: what do you need to get rid of specifically?
[04:49] <DARKGuy> LaserJock: a blueprint and a serie
[04:50] <LaserJock> a series?
[04:50] <DARKGuy> yeah
[04:50] <DARKGuy> I accidentally made a new one when trunk was already created, and I created it with the same settings
[04:50] <DARKGuy> so it's like, duplicated and confusing for new users
[04:50] <LaserJock> hmm, a blueprint you can just mark as obsoleted
[04:50] <DARKGuy> and will it be hidden ?
[04:51] <LaserJock> yes
[04:51] <DARKGuy> cool! that works
[04:51] <DARKGuy> what about the series ?
[04:51] <LaserJock> that I'm not sure about
[04:52] <DARKGuy> Oh well
[04:52] <DARKGuy> thanks for the tip though :D
[04:52] <LaserJock> you could as launchpad-users mailing list
[04:53] <LaserJock> *ask
[04:53] <DARKGuy> yeah, been thinking about that too
[04:53] <DARKGuy> one more thing though, is there a way to create a "group" of users, similar to the Launchpad Admins thing?
[04:55] <ubotu> New bug: #128437 in launchpad-bazaar "Update the code homepage" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128437
[04:56] <LaserJock> DARKGuy: a team?
[04:56] <kiko-fud> DARKGuy, yes, a team :)
[04:56] <adamorjames> yes a team
[04:56] <kiko-fud> see launchpad.net/people
[04:59] <LaserJock> yikes, display name and title are a bit confusing when registering a product :-)
[04:59] <DARKGuy> yeah xD
[04:59] <adamorjames> DARKGuy pming you..
[05:00] <DARKGuy> cool, will look at that link, thanks kiko-fud, LaserJock
[05:00] <DARKGuy> adamorjames: ok
[05:04] <LaserJock> jml: hmm, for branching drupal's vcs-import it took me 13 min for http:// and 18 min for bzr+ssh://
[05:06] <jml> LaserJock: interesting.
[05:33] <lifeless> jamesh: ping
[05:34] <jamesh> lifeless: pong
[05:34] <lifeless> can you please allocate reviews? I'm still running a mild fever; I'm going to go soon
[05:34] <lifeless> mild means 'can think about one thing at a time; slowly;'
[05:38] <jamesh> okay
[05:42] <lifeless> jamesh: thank you
[05:42] <lifeless> I am mending fast now, should be fully on deck Monday
[05:42] <lifeless> instead of this partial day crapola
[05:43] <jamesh> hopefully you won't be feeling shit all weekend
[05:43] <lifeless> indeed
[05:44] <lifeless> I hope very much to be only 'under the weather' by then
[05:44] <lifeless> its the coughing that really takes the cake though
[05:44] <lifeless> hard to think while trying to project a bark around the neighbourhood
[06:00] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[06:35] <YahooNet> F:\My Data\Tools Hack
[07:06] <mpt> No, mIRC is not Windows Explorer
[07:06] <Hobbsee> morning mpt
[07:07] <mpt> hi Hobbsee
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #128462 in malone "Launchpad bug titles should have the description first" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128462
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #128486 in launchpad "Home page help panel text update" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128486
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #128519 in soyuz "The queue tool sends announcement emails with "INVALID" as the distro name" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128519
[04:01] <matsubara> meeting time/
[04:01] <mrevell> me
[04:01] <matsubara> ?
[04:01] <mpt> SteveA ?
[04:01] <carlos> matsubara: should be
[04:01] <ddaa> Us...
[04:01] <ddaa> ... and Them
[04:02] <Hobbsee> heh, not much interest in a LP meeting
[04:02] <ddaa> o/` Pink Floyd o/`
[04:02] <mpt> Don't make me use my plastic gavel again
[04:02] <barry> careful with that ax
[04:02] <mpt> It's not nearly as good as a real one
[04:02] <salgado> me
[04:02] <mrevell> Eugene
[04:02] <mpt> Dupree
[04:02] <mrevell> and me
[04:02] <intellectronica> me
[04:02] <jamesh> me
[04:02] <mthaddon> ME
[04:02] <mrevell> moi
[04:02] <sinzui> me
[04:02] <bac> me
[04:03] <adeuring> me
[04:03] <barry> me
[04:03] <matsubara> me
[04:03] <danilos>
[04:03] <gmb> me
[04:03] <bigjools> we're me-ing then?    :P
[04:07] <bigjools> Remember, there's no I in team.   But there is a me.
[04:07] <mpt> ok, any apologies or people representing other people?
[04:08] <ddaa> me too
[04:08] <ddaa> me too
[04:08] <ddaa> yes one can
[04:08] <Rinchen> apologies sent by kiko
[04:08] <BjornT> allenap is on vacation
[04:08] <carlos> jtv: dude, get dressed!!
[04:08] <adeuring> schwuk in on vacation
[04:08] <sinzui> flacoste is on vacation.
[04:09] <Rinchen> mpt wishes he was on vacation.
[04:09] <mpt> == Agenda ==
[04:09] <mpt>
[04:09] <mpt>  * Next meeting
[04:09] <mpt>  * Actions from last meeting
[04:09] <mpt>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[04:09] <mpt>  * Critical Bugs (Rinchen)
[04:09] <mpt>  * Bug tags
[04:09] <mpt>  * Operations report (mthaddon)
[04:09] <mpt>  * DBA report (stub)
[04:09] <mpt>  * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen
[04:09] <mpt>  * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)
[04:09] <mpt>  * Blockers
[04:10] <mpt> If you have other item that you forgot to nominate, please /msg me accordingly
[04:10] <mpt> or even other items
[04:10] <mpt> == Next meeting ==
[04:10] <mpt> Anyone knows they will be unable to attend same time next week?
[04:11] <mpt> ... Excellent
[04:12] <mpt> == Actions from last meeting ==
[04:12] <mpt> There were none.
[04:12] <mpt> == Oops report ==
[04:12] <matsubara> Thanks jtv for fixing bug 126975
[04:12] <matsubara> Thanks mwhudson, ddaa and mthaddon for handling OOPS-565D2528
[04:12] <matsubara> Thanks thumper for fixing 127848
[04:12] <matsubara> Thanks kiko and intellectronica for fixing 127073
[04:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126975 in rosetta "TraversalError in translation page" [Critical,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126975 - Assigned to Jeroen T. Vermeulen (jtv)
[04:12] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/565D2528
[04:12] <matsubara> Today's oops report is about bugs 128379, 98614, 116619, 128369
[04:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128379 in launchpad-bazaar "Stale page can cause OOPS while editing branch subscription" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128379 - Assigned to Tim Penhey (thumper)
[04:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 98614 in malone "Edit a bug and add the same tag twice causes oops" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/98614 - Assigned to Edwin Grubbs (edwin-grubbs)
[04:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116619 in blueprint "Oops adding blueprint to a product series or distro series" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116619 - Assigned to Jonathan Knowles (jsk)
[04:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128369 in malone "Missing unique constraint in Bugtracker.base_url" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128369
[04:12] <matsubara> The first three were already taken. Thanks Edwin, thumper and jsk for being proactive and taking those bugs.
[04:12] <matsubara> BjornT, can you assign someone to fix bug 128369?
[04:13] <BjornT> matsubara: yeah
[04:13] <matsubara> and thanks to salgado who is investigating OOPS-571E3738
[04:13] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/571E3738
[04:13] <matsubara> all right, I think that's it then. back to you mpt. thanks!
[04:13] <mpt> thanks matsubara
[04:13] <mpt> == Critical bugs ==
[04:14] <Rinchen> We seem to have had a few bugs marked as critical in the past week. I have a few questions (of course) on some.
[04:14] <Rinchen> Bug #98614 Edwin, Have you had a chance to start it yet? If so, please update the status sometime today.
[04:14] <Rinchen> I broke ubotu
[04:14] <mpt> ubotu, bug 98614
[04:14] <Rinchen> Bug #127004 salgado, is this really a critical bug? Have you had a chance to start it yet? If so, please update the status sometime today.
[04:14] <ubotu> Bug 127004 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/127004 is private
[04:15] <Rinchen> bug #98614
[04:15] <Rinchen> Bug #128335 abel, how goes with this one? Have you had a chance to start it yet? If so, please update the status sometime today.
[04:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128335 in malone "Bug omitted from search results if targeted to a milestone" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128335 - Assigned to abel (adeuring)
[04:15] <jtv> bug 98614
[04:15] <salgado> Rinchen, it's critical for 1.1.9.
[04:15] <danilos> Bug #98614, first reported on 2007-03-29  by Diogo Matsubara
[04:15] <danilos> Edit a bug and add the same tag twice causes oops
[04:15] <adeuring> I think that I'll have it fixed today.
[04:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 98614 in malone "Edit a bug and add the same tag twice causes oops" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/98614 - Assigned to Edwin Grubbs (edwin-grubbs)
[04:15] <carlos> seems like ubotu doesn't like bug #98614...
[04:15] <Rinchen> danilos has the magic touch
[04:15] <statik> Rinchen: 98614 is in review, just needs a status update
[04:15] <jtv> For the "apologies" section: ubotu was late today, but Danilos stood in
[04:16] <mpt> You're so quick to blame ubotu, maybe it was Launchpad that was slow
[04:16] <Rinchen> Great, thanks salgado and adeuring
[04:16] <Hobbsee> <dont file bugs on ubotu, we cant do anything about it until seveas comes back>
[04:16] <jamesh> but Launchpad is perfect
[04:16] <Rinchen> +1 ;-)
[04:16] <Rinchen> cprov, bigjools - at some point this week (i.e. not now) please send me a *short* email (cc matsubara please) as to how we can prevent Bug #127178 from happening in the future. Specifically, what can be done to detect and prevent this issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/127178/comments/1
[04:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127178 in soyuz "change-override.py broken for binary packages" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127178 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov)
[04:16] <jamesh> so it must be ubotu
[04:17] <Rinchen> mpt, that's all for me today.
[04:17] <mpt> thanks Joey
[04:17] <carlos> jamesh: indeed
[04:17] <bigjools> Rinchen: noted
[04:17] <mpt> == Bug tags ==
[04:18] <mpt> The tag "registry" has been proposed
[04:18] <mpt> by matsubara
[04:18] <matsubara> +1
[04:18] <matsubara> :-)
[04:18] <danilos> matsubara: reasoning?
[04:18] <carlos> what's it supposed to do?
[04:18] <Rinchen> salgado, your comments?
[04:18] <mpt> examples given: bug 127126, bug 117276, bug 67431, and three others
[04:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127126 in malone "Register a product while adding an upstream task" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127126 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado)
[04:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117276 in launchpad "Require projects to specify the license of their code" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/117276 - Assigned to Guilherme Salgado (salgado)
[04:18] <matsubara> to group bugs related to project and project-group management
[04:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 67431 in malone "Product registrants get bug mail even if Product does not use Malone" [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/67431
[04:18] <salgado> I'm +1
[04:19] <carlos> isn't that like moving 'rosetta' bugs to 'launchpad' and add a tag for it?
[04:19] <danilos> Are these really related in a sensible way?
[04:19] <Rinchen> Since the London meeting established the need for quite a bit of registry work, and bug will thus be associated with that, I'm +1 as well
[04:19] <salgado> carlos, I'm +1 on your proposal as well, but don't tell anybody
[04:19] <carlos> salgado: :-)
[04:20] <danilos> salgado: then I am +1 on this one :)
[04:20] <mpt> I think the important thing is not so much "is this a clearly defined tag", but "is this a tag that will be useful"
[04:20] <mpt> salgado, would you use this tag in searching for bugs to fix, for example?
[04:20] <salgado> yes, I would
[04:20] <mpt> ok then
[04:21] <salgado> and I think matsubara would as well
[04:21] <danilos> for that, I'd need to know what can it be used for? for any bugs related to product registry details? "check for duplicate product registrations"?
[04:21] <salgado> (since he proposed the tag)
[04:21] <matsubara> danilos: that's the merge products bug, isn't it?
[04:22] <matsubara> which would be a bug tagged with the registry tag.
[04:22] <danilos> matsubara: yeah, depending on how you want to solve the problem
[04:22] <mpt> There are no -1s, and Rinchen is +1, so I declare the tag is approved
[04:22] <danilos> matsubara: ok, then I see the value in the tag and how I can use it
[04:22] <Rinchen> The way I am envisioning this tag be used is during triage and milestone planning. Triage to find the registry bugs and Salgado during milestone planing for his activities.
[04:22] <matsubara> another use case is RSS feeds for bug tags. that way you'd be notified when someone files a bug with that tag.
[04:23] <mpt> == Operations report ==
[04:23] <mthaddon> Removed wildcard DNS
[04:23] <mthaddon> Apache front end to LP has been upgraded to 2.2
[04:23] <mthaddon> Edge auto updates had been broken since release, but now fixed (branches had diverged)
[04:23] <mthaddon> Working on app server reconfig (separate server for scripts/cronjobs)
[04:23] <matsubara> thanks mpt
[04:24] <mthaddon> that's it from me unless there are any questions about Operations
[04:24] <mpt> thank you mthaddon
[04:24] <mwhudson> i was going to ask what was going on with edge, but you preempted me :)
[04:24] <mthaddon> :)
[04:24] <mpt> == DBA report ==
[04:24] <stub> We will want about 5 hours of database downtime on a weekend to repack the database and change our text search indexes from GIN back to GIST. No announcement has been made yet, so I suspect Sunday week since it is probably too late to announce weekend downtime now (but this Sunday is fine by me if we still want to proceed).
[04:24] <stub> There are now NOT NULL constraints and DEFAULTS on Person.personal_standing, Person.mailing_list_receive_duplicates and Person.mailing_list_auto_subscribe_policy. A backported patch is on my pending-db-changes branch to land next time we open launchpad/devel up for db changes.
[04:24] <stub> Nothing else to report.
[04:25] <salgado> stub, are there not null constraints there?
[04:25] <salgado> ooops, nevermind
[04:25] <salgado> I misread that as account_status
[04:25] <barry> stub: awesome, thanks!
[04:25] <Rinchen> mrevell, please coordinate with stub to develop an announcement.
[04:26] <mrevell> stub: I'll mail you after the meeting
[04:26] <mthaddon> Rinchen: for this Sunday or next?
[04:26] <Rinchen> The timing will need to be approved by kiko or steve.
[04:26] <mthaddon> ah, okay
[04:26] <mpt> thanks stub
[04:26] <mpt> == Sysadmin requests ==
[04:27] <Rinchen> Thanks mrevell
[04:27] <Rinchen> Do anyone have any outstanding RT requests that need attention?
[04:27] <Rinchen> and is there interest in keeping this section during this meeting? We've had a few items recently so perhaps it remains useful
[04:28] <Rinchen> Steve no doubt would like to continue this for a while.
[04:28] <Rinchen> Silence is golden then.  mpt back to you
[04:28] <mpt> Perhaps we could replace this section with RT bugwatches in Launchpad :-)
[04:28] <Rinchen> ha
[04:29] <mwhudson> i have a couple of rts but i can't remember the numbers and they're not urgent
[04:29] <mwhudson> i'll msg you in a bit
[04:29] <mpt> == A top user-affection issue ==
[04:29] <mpt> errrr
[04:29] <mpt> == A top user-affecting issue ==
[04:29] <mthaddon> hmmm, user-affection...
[04:29] <ddaa> that would be the Sydney bug?
[04:29] <mpt> That'll teach me to copy and paste
[04:30] <Rinchen> hush ddaa
[04:30] <Rinchen> :-)
[04:30] <mpt> mrevell?
[04:30] <mrevell> Ah, sorry, I'm just finding my bits
[04:30] <mrevell> Today, a Launchpad user posted to launchpad-users to describe a problem he encountered when registering a blueprint:
[04:30] <mrevell> "I tried creating a new Blueprint on LaunchPad but I am blind and the first field on that form:
[04:30] <mrevell> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/specs/+new
[04:30] <statik> excellent, I was hoping you were going to bring that one up
[04:30] <mrevell> "Where one has to choose which project the Blueprint should be assigned to,
[04:30] <mrevell> is not accessible."
[04:30] <mthaddon> yeah, good one that
[04:30] <mrevell> In this case, I have registered the blueprint for him, at his request. However, can we schedule some work to make that form accessible? If so, I'll re-contact him to get specific details of what made it inaccessible to him.
[04:31] <mrevell> Also, Hobbsee has asked me to raise bug 121828, where the "Launchpad is offline for maintenance" message appears even if maintenance is not the cause of Launchpad being offline. Is this something we can/would like to fix?
[04:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121828 in launchpad "Launchpad says it's "offline for maintenance" when it isn't" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121828
[04:31] <intellectronica> why is this not accessible?
[04:31] <intellectronica> it's just the search functionality that isn't
[04:31] <sinzui> Are the labels borked?
[04:31] <jsk> it's just a text box.
[04:31] <mpt> mrevell, do you know what he/she meant by accessible?
[04:31] <mrevell> intellectronica: I want to get more details from him.
[04:31] <stub> mrevell: Originally, that behavior was considered a feature.
[04:31] <Rinchen> perhaps is the "choose" menu
[04:32] <mrevell> mpt: I assume he's talking about the "choose" box that is, I assume, displayed through JS
[04:32] <statik> that text box is pretty hard to use without being able to search for the project
[04:32] <intellectronica> and that's a popup widget issue, so it's worth fixing (it's all over LP)
[04:32] <mrevell> stub: What do you mean?
[04:32] <stub> mrevell: Now launchpad can recover from outages, that might need rethinking
[04:32] <mpt> ah
[04:32] <mthaddon> I think related to the offline message, if we had more specifics (i.e. it's offline for x reason, expected downtime is y) that might be good too
[04:32] <mrevell> stub: Oh, sorry, the second one. yes, I can understand why it happened that way
[04:32] <Rinchen> mpt, please add this to your wiki page list. I want to explore related items with you at some point
[04:32] <stub> mrevell: When developing launchpad, better for people to see 'down for maintenance' than 'launchpad is a pile of crap'
[04:32] <mpt> Rinchen, my what?
[04:32] <mrevell> stub:  sure :)
[04:33] <mrevell> I think the status page idea would deal with that.
[04:33] <Rinchen> mpt,  your list of usability issue remarks
[04:33] <mpt> Rinchen, oh, it already is
[04:33] <Rinchen> great, thanks
[04:33] <mrevell> As for the accessibility, I'll get more details as to what problem the user encountered.
[04:33] <mrevell> unless you know about it already mpt
[04:33] <ddaa> "Launchpad is burning, pass the bucket over" would be a bit less negative?
[04:33] <mthaddon> perhaps the offline page could link to a page that details recent/upcoming maintenance windows
[04:33] <stub> mrevell: Sure? This dictates the implementation of the status page (it will need to be external to Launchpad, and cache information from the database in case the database is inaccessible)
[04:33] <mwhudson> "this is elmo's mobile phone number, you many want to call it?"
[04:34] <mpt> stub, honesty would be more reassuring
[04:34] <stub> mpt: Now, sure.
[04:34] <mrevell> stub: I've no problem with an off-site status page, but that sort of thing isn't down to me, obviously
[04:34] <stub> Sure. This is like two years after it was setup that way.
[04:34] <stub> We no longer have hourly cherry picks and whatnot.
[04:34] <Hobbsee> stub: then again, if lp gets a reputation for often being down, then people will regard it as an unstable pile of crap.
[04:34] <mthaddon> :)
[04:34] <Hobbsee> stub: or good, but completely unstable, so not worth using.
[04:35] <Hobbsee> stub: pick your poison :)
[04:35] <mrevell> Having used it daily for the past eight or so months, and before that fairly regularly, I reckon our uptime is pretty good
[04:35] <stub> It isn't my call. I'm just explaining the history.
[04:35] <mthaddon> Hobbsee: from where you're standing, is LP down a lot?
[04:35] <Rinchen> mthaddon, are you able to take 121828 for 1.1.8?
[04:36] <Hobbsee> mthaddon: i havent done great amounts of bugwork recently, but where it's probably down 1/20 pages, as a wild guess...yes, that's a lot.
[04:36] <mthaddon> bug 12828 (just so I can see it)
[04:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 12828 in linux-source-2.6.15 "nForce2 audio device not detected" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12828 - Assigned to Fabio Massimo Di Nitto (fabbione)
[04:36] <stub> mrevell: I don't mean offsite. I mean a cgi someone that continues operating even if the database that stores the status information is unavailable. I think overkill myself.
[04:36] <Rinchen> bug 121828
[04:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121828 in launchpad "Launchpad says it's "offline for maintenance" when it isn't" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121828
[04:36] <mthaddon> ah crap, bug 121828
[04:36] <mrevell> stub: Ah, I see. Right.
[04:36] <mrevell> mthaddon: I'd like to work with you on that, from a comms POV, if no one objects.
[04:36] <mthaddon> Rinchen: sure, I can take that - requires some thinking, but I'll have a crack at it
[04:36] <mthaddon> mrevell: sure
[04:37] <Rinchen> mthaddon, thanks
[04:37] <mpt> thank you mthaddon
[04:37] <Rinchen> mrevell, approved :-)
[04:37] <mrevell> :)
[04:37] <mpt> and thanks mrevell
[04:37] <mpt> (and Hobbsee)
[04:37] <Hobbsee> no problem.  hope to see it fixed :)
[04:37] <mthaddon> Hobbsee: it's down 1/20 pages for you? do you mean OOPSes or outages?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> mthaddon: outages - that LP is offline for maintainence
[04:38] <mpt> == Blockers ==
[04:38] <matsubara> TEAM: infrastructure BLOCKED: no
[04:38] <mpt> Teams, please report your blockages or lack thereof
[04:38] <BjornT> TEAM: bug tracker BLOCKED: no
[04:38] <mthaddon> Hobbsee: ok - I think the communication of when there are genuine outages is really needed so we can get more feedback from people if they're seeing the offline page when this site isn't supposed to be down for maintenance - thx for the input
[04:38] <statik> TEAM: commercialization BLOCKED: no
[04:38] <bigjools> TEAM: Soyuz: BLOCKED: no
[04:38] <jtv> TEAM: Translations BLOCKED: no
[04:39] <mpt> TEAM: UI BLOCKED: no
[04:39] <intellectronica> TEAM: blueprint BLOCKED: no
[04:39] <stub> TEAM: beer drinking BLOCKED: hell no
[04:39] <sinzui> TEAM: Answer Tracker: BLOCKED: no
[04:39] <mwhudson> TEAM: launchpad-bazaar BLOCKED: no
[04:39] <salgado> TEAM: Registry: BLOCKED: no
[04:39] <barry> TEAM mailing lists BLOCKED: no
[04:39] <jtv> stub: how do I get out of this chickenshit outfit and into yours?
[04:39] <adeuring> TEAM hawdb: Blocked: No
[04:39] <matsubara> I wanna join stub's team as well
[04:40] <elmo> TEAM pony: BLOCKED: no!
[04:40] <ddaa> jtv: how'd you got into a chickenshit outfit?
[04:40] <jtv> ddaa: too much drink & embarrassing accident at a fancy-dress party
[04:41] <mwhudson> jtv: sounds like stub's team isn't for you then
[04:41] <danilos> stub: shouldn't it be 'drinking beer' (DB) team, not 'BD'?
[04:41] <jtv> mwhudson: you should've _seen_ my workload!
[04:41] <mpt> And with the vision of drunk people in chicken outfits on ponies, our time together comes to a close for another week
[04:41] <mpt> MEETING ENDS
[04:41] <mpt> Thank you everyone
[04:41] <stub> Drinking Beer Allnight
[04:41] <matsubara> thanks mpt
[04:41] <mwhudson> thank you mpt
[04:41] <jtv> stub: Wish I Was There!
[04:41] <stub> And on that note, there are two parties on tonight with my name on them
[04:42] <stub> jtv: Whole roast pig at cactus, serving started 40 mins ago
[04:42] <mpt> I'm hungry
[04:42] <carlos> mpt: you see? you did a wonderful job, much better than what I could have done :-)
[04:42] <jtv> stub: Damn.  Is the other party TRT?
[04:42] <jtv> stub: have one for me.  You know what I mean.
[04:42] <mpt> carlos, yes, but you'll never improve unless you practise :-)
[04:43] <carlos> mpt: I did it here, just copying & paste your entries in my laptop :-P
[04:43] <mpt> heh
[04:44] <mpt> mrevell, oh, you missed the salient point
[04:44] <mpt> "I am blind and"
[04:44] <mrevell> mpt: erm, let me check
[04:45] <mpt> oh, wait
[04:45] <mpt> *I* missed it
[04:45] <mpt> you did paste it
[04:45] <mrevell> ah :)
[04:45] <mpt> hmmm
[04:45] <mrevell> mpt: Is this somethng we're aware of, as a team, or should I file a bug?
[04:46] <sinzui> mrevell: file it as a bug
[04:46] <intellectronica> mrevell: is this the popup accessibility issue?
[04:46] <mrevell> intellectronica: yeah
[04:46] <intellectronica> let's file a bug and try to come up with a fix - we only need to fix it once for all popus on lp to work correctly
[04:48] <mrevell> ok, I'll file it once I've asked the user exactly what problem he encountered.
[04:49] <mpt> mrevell, we're not aware of it
[04:49] <mpt> and from my past five minutes reading, it's something we'll need to test wherever we use JavaScript
[04:49] <intellectronica> mpt:i think we are, we just need to file a bug and think what to do about it
[04:50] <mpt> intellectronica, well you might be, you're the expert here :-)
[04:50] <mpt> but I wasn't
[04:50] <intellectronica> though that could be a _different_ issue from what mrevell's corespondent is reporting
[04:51] <intellectronica> mpt: in that case i should have filed a bug :)
[04:51] <mpt> http://boxofchocolates.ca/archives/2005/06/12/javascript-and-accessibility is interesting
[04:52] <mrevell> intellectronica: What issue are you aware of?
[04:53] <intellectronica> mpt: true but, a: many users of screen readers turn off javascript, and there are other users who don't have javascript for other reasons (security, whatever)
[04:54] <intellectronica> mrevell: the popup widgets (the ones where you can fill in the detail or click 'Choose...' don't do anything if you click choose and don't have javascript
[04:54] <mrevell> intellectronica: I think that's almost certainly the issue here.
[04:54] <mrevell> Can we make them degrade gracefully?
[04:54] <intellectronica> mrevell: ideally, we should do something different if the user doesn't have javascript, like jump to a new page, or replace the widget with a combo
[04:54] <mpt> intellectronica, I agree that Launchpad should work without JavaScript, but it's not clear that that's the issue here
[04:54] <intellectronica> mrevell: i don't see why not (with a bit of work)
[04:55] <sinzui> mpt: i agree.
[04:55] <intellectronica> mpt: true, let's regard this as a separate issue then
[04:55] <mpt> Separate until proved the same
[04:56] <intellectronica> an opportunity to dogfood that duplicate bug functionality :)
[04:56] <sinzui> I think we need to know if choose dialog activated, but was unintelligible, or just did not run.
[04:57] <intellectronica> sinzui: good point
[04:57] <mpt> exactly
[04:57] <mrevell> Ah, okay, I see that I was wrong to jump to a conclusion here.
[04:58] <mpt> For example, we could use JavaScript to insert those "Choose..." links in the first place, so that without JavaScript you had just the text field
[05:00] <mpt> but that wouldn't solve the problem, for those people, of it being difficult to enter the appropriate value
[05:01] <mpt> So we wouldn't have complaints like this, but we'd have (in the absence of usability testing) hidden failures.
[05:02] <mpt> Fernando is apparently using Microsoft Outlook
[05:03] <mpt> so probably Jaws
[05:11] <intellectronica> mpt: there are two solutions i can think of
[05:11] <intellectronica> 1. make the choose links go to a new page where you can search
[05:12] <intellectronica> 2. start with a drop-down and replace it dynamically (so only if js is on)
[05:12] <intellectronica> the problem with the latter is that sometimes the lists will be too long (so both difficult to use and potentially causing timeouts)
[05:13] <mpt> intellectronica, for the sanity of non-disabled users, we should do a Google-Suggest-like thing anyway
[05:13] <intellectronica> mpt: that would be awesome!
[05:13] <mpt> intellectronica, are you volunteering? ;-)
[05:14] <mpt> So what we should do to make the "Choose..." more accessible perhaps depends on how soon we will replace it
[05:14] <intellectronica> mpt: absolutely - i'll start a spec
[05:15] <mpt> intellectronica, we already have a braindump spec on it, iirc
[05:15] <mpt> ... from 2005
[05:15] <intellectronica> mpt: url?
[05:15] <mpt> intellectronica, https://launchpad.canonical.com/SuggestionSearchControl
[05:16] <mpt> Don't let the "Launchpad has" throw you, present tense was fashionable back then :-)
[05:19] <kblin> hm, is there a way to get launchpad to watch a google code hosting issue tracker for bugs?
[05:20] <matsubara> kblin: bug 78395
[05:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 78395 in malone "Support Google Code's issue tracker" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78395 - Assigned to Graham Binns (gmb)
[05:20] <mpt> what matsubara said
[05:20] <kblin> matsubara: ah, fair enough, I'll keep an eye on it
[05:21] <kblin> it's not urgent, no one's filing bugs for my app anyway :)
[05:24] <mpt> intellectronica, and the equivalent bug report is bug 123898
[05:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123898 in launchpad "Project/package/person/etc fields don't auto-complete" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123898
[05:25] <poolie> hello mpt
[05:25] <intellectronica> mpt: why do we have both a blueprint and bug, actually?
[05:25] <mpt> intellectronica, because I'd forgotten about the specification when I reported the bug
[05:26] <mpt> and of course it didn't show up in the bug search, because it wasn't in the bug tracker
[05:26] <mpt> hi poolie
[05:26] <intellectronica> mpt: which in itself is something worth fixing
[05:26] <mpt> intellectronica, well yes, I also have a spec on that ;-)
[05:27] <intellectronica> mpt: this is getting infinitely recursive
[05:27] <mpt> Nono, we're only at two levels, we're fine
[05:27] <mpt> I have previously gotten three levels deep while reporting Launchpad bugs
[05:28] <mpt> While reproducing someone's bug I discover another bug, and while reporting that bug I find a bug in the bugtracker
[05:34] <kblin> mpt: that must make for funny bug reports
[05:36] <gmb> Who ping'd?
[05:36] <gmb> Oh, Ubotu.
[05:38] <kblin> gmb: just some users being annoying
[05:38] <gmb> kblin: Them darn users. Where's me gun...?
[05:39] <kblin> :)
[05:39] <kblin> I really appreciate that you guys are working on the infrastructure, so I can keep working on code :)
[06:46] <bdmurray> Is there a way to search for an Ubuntu bug linked to an upstream bug?
[06:50] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: by upstream bug #?
[06:51] <bdmurray> If I understand you that takes you to the lp bug number
[06:52] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: no, as in, you're wanting to find out which bug on LP is linked to a particular upstream bug, or you're wanting to detect if a particular bug on LP has an upstream bug attached to it?
[06:53] <bdmurray> The former.  I found a bug at bugzilla.kernel.org and want to find out if it has already been reported to launchpad.
[06:53] <bdmurray> s/launchpad/malone/
[06:53] <Hobbsee> cant help you then
[06:57] <matsubara> bdmurray: https://launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/linux-kernel-bugs/+index?start=0&batch=100 willl give you the whole list, ctrl+f will find it.
[06:58] <Hobbsee> oh neat
[06:58] <bdmurray> Hobbsee: you could add it to BugSquad/KnowledgeBase
[06:59] <Hobbsee> bdmurray: i could, but i'm actually heading towards bed.
[06:59] <bdmurray> matsubara: great!
[06:59] <Hobbsee> seeing as it's...3am
[06:59] <matsubara> bdmurray: and I think the bug you're looking for is bug 28503
[06:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 28503 in malone "ability to search a watch" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/28503
[07:03] <bdmurray> That seems quite useful.
[07:08] <BjornT> bdmurray: a faster way would be to go to https://launchpad.net/bugs/bugtrackers/linux-kernel-bugs/12345 (where 12345 is the upstream bug id)
[07:09] <BjornT> it will either give or a 404, or redirect you to the bug in launchpad
[07:11] <bdmurray> BjornT: neat.  Do you have a list of launpad urls?  I'm thinking of stuff that might be useful but not well known.
[07:11] <bdmurray> launchpad even
[07:13] <BjornT> bdmurray: hmm, no. i don't think we have that many undocumented urls. this one was implemented so that the old ubuntu bugzilla would be able to easily redirect to the corresponding bug in launchpad, i think.
[07:15] <bdmurray> Maybe undocumented was the wrong word but I was also surpised to http://code.launchpad.net/+project-cloud/ at Ubuntu Live.  And I swear I saw a page with RSS feeds in that presentation too.
[07:18] <BjornT> bdmurray: oh, right. i can't think of any other urls that would be (relatively unknown and) useful. i'm also quite sure that we don't have any RSS feeds yet (it is planned to have some)
[07:23] <bdmurray> Okay, thanks for the information the bugtrackers url was quite helpful.
[08:50] <ubotu> New bug: #128584 in launchpad "Setting a team contact address and registering for a new launchpad account using the same email crash" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128584


[21:04] <ChrisWoollard> Ooooo, A mail from Canonical about this project..
[21:05] <nisshh> ChrisWoollard, oh? what does it say?
[21:05] <ChrisWoollard> Hi all,
[21:05] <ChrisWoollard>   I'm Belinda Lopez (Dinda) from Canonical.  I've played lots of role in Canonical and Ubuntu and am now assigned to help move this project forward.  It looks like there is lots of great work to build on so I'm taking a few days to round it all up and get a good idea of any missing pieces.  I'm really excited about this project as it's really important to Ubuntu and hope my experience in training development, writing, editing
[21:05] <ChrisWoollard> and project management will help us create an awesome manual.
[21:05] <ChrisWoollard> Rick asked if we could have a conference call this week to help kickstart everything and it looks like Friday 17:00 UTC will work best.  This would be a conference call (ideally) but if we can't get a large enough quorum, them we can revert to IRC.  The agenda would include:
[21:05] <ChrisWoollard> Quick review of where everything stands in the project:
[21:05] <ChrisWoollard> Resources
[21:05] <ChrisWoollard> Tools
[21:05] <ChrisWoollard> Authors
[21:05] <ChrisWoollard> Project Schedule
[21:05] <ChrisWoollard> Work flow review
[21:05] <ChrisWoollard> Any other issues?
[21:05] <ChrisWoollard> Let me know if that time works for folks or if you have other suggestions.
[21:05] <ChrisWoollard> thanks everyone!
[21:05] <ChrisWoollard> Dinda
[21:05] <ChrisWoollard> that is what it says
[21:07] <ChrisWoollard> What do you think?
[21:09] <ChrisWoollard> Nissh: What was about the dev manual
[21:09] <daker> ChrisWoollard, hi
[21:09] <ChrisWoollard> hello
[21:11] <daker> ChrisWoollard, the only issue i have is the hosting
[21:11] <ChrisWoollard> hosting?
[21:12] <daker> the website hosting
[21:13] <ChrisWoollard> can you elaborate
[21:14] <ChrisWoollard> Are we talking about the dev manual website or the ubuntu manual website.
[21:15] <daker> the ubuntu manual website
[21:15] <daker> actualy the new version of the website needs a new hosting :)
[21:16] <ChrisWoollard> I actually don't know anything about the current hosting. Is that something that ben dealt with?
[21:17] <daker> well godbyk who's hosting the actual website (which is in php), when trying to deploy a staging server for the new website, he wasn't able to do it due to python version confilct
[21:18] <ChrisWoollard> So, we need a new hosting. What are the requirements?
[21:19] <ChrisWoollard> Dakar, Was it yourself that developed the site?
[21:19] <daker> yes
[21:19] <daker> the requirement : Django hosting + good bandwith
[21:22] <nisshh> ChrisWoollard, oh, yeah, i just talked to dinda about the dev manual :)
[21:29] <ChrisWoollard> Dakar, can you mail me the requirements and I will have a look into it.
[21:29] <daker> ChrisWoollard, ok
[21:29] <ChrisWoollard> Nisshh: Should I take part in that conference?
[21:29] <ChrisWoollard> back in a few mins.
[21:30] <daker> ChrisWoollard, nisshh why she didn't contact the ML ?
[21:35] <nisshh> ChrisWoollard, if you like, yeah
[21:35] <nisshh> daker, ChrisWoollard is talking about the dev manual, not the desktop manual
[21:35] <nisshh> the email was sent to the dev manuals mailing list
[21:37] <daker> nisshh, ok i thought he was talking about the desktop manual
[21:38] <nisshh> daker, he was talking about the dev manual when he was copy/pasting that email, but the website stuff is about the desktop manual
[21:38] <daker> brb
[21:38] <nisshh> ok
[21:42] <ChrisWoollard> sounds like there is an issue for the ubuntu manual also
[21:43] <ChrisWoollard> website that is
[21:44] <ChrisWoollard> I am quite happy to look into hosting for the ubuntu manual website.
[21:51] <daker> well ChrisWoollard we should confirm we dutchie if he is able to do it or not
[21:52] <ChrisWoollard> I take it that dutchie is the one currently responsible for the hosting.
[21:52] <dutchie> er
[21:52] <dutchie> no
[21:52] <dutchie> it's mostly on godbyk's server
[21:52] <ChrisWoollard> ok
[21:52] <dutchie> apart from the django stuff, which is on mine
[21:54] <ChrisWoollard> maybe i'll ask godbyk what he thinks
[23:13] <godbyk> Hey, ChrisWoollard. I just got home.  It's cold outside!