[12:03] <mornfall> and PackageT did not exist
[12:05] <Riddell> I'll try again with correct svn revision
[12:07] <Riddell> mornfall: nope, same problem :(
[12:08] <mornfall> Riddell: it must be using wrong includes
[12:09] <mornfall> Riddell: try in a clean chroot maybe?
[12:09] <mornfall> dunnow, but grepping PackageT should tell you it's not there at all
[12:10] <mornfall> Riddell: i have just checked with my copy of 0.3.4 (from the revision i told you)
[12:10] <Riddell> yes, it would help if I didn't have libapt-front installed
[12:10] <Riddell> silly me
[12:10] <mornfall> i need to get up tom^Wtoday morning so good night for now... i'll be around later
[12:11] <Riddell> night mornfall
[12:33] <sebas> Why didn't Mr Pfeifle post to ubuntu-devel, but on planetkde?
[12:34] <kmon> I've upgraded my system right now and the recent patch in konqueror to hide the system panel tab from side bar hasn't done it
[12:34] <kmon> I still have that pane
[12:34] <kmon> and the error :(
[12:35] <kmon> mmm
[12:35] <kmon> forget my previous complaint please
[12:36] <kmon> it's too late and I'm saying silly things...
[12:43] <Riddell> sebas: well indeed :)
[12:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[12:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: hoot
[12:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm searching a way to let qt applications launched with kdesu to have the same default look than the other ones
[12:45] <Tonio_> qtparted for example
[12:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have to touch qtrc, and I currently have a clean working file
[12:45] <Riddell> not easy
[12:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: not easy to let qt apps taking k-d-s config
[12:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: pretty easy to simply patch qtrc for default config only
[12:47] <Riddell> hmm, don't we patch qtrc already?
[12:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: let me check libqt3-mt package
[12:48] <Riddell> I
[12:48] <Riddell> I don't seem to have a qtrc installed by default
[12:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: /etc/qt3/qtrc, installed by the libqt3-mt package
[12:49] <Tonio_> isn't that by default ?
[12:49] <Tonio_> the qtrc file is pretty easy to change since it is in the debian folder of the source package, so no patch required
[12:49] <Riddell> not for me, maybe I messed up the 3.3.6 package
[12:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum... strange :)
[12:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: anyway I can set a better qtrc file, containing good default fonts and path
[12:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: interested ?
[12:50] <Riddell> sure
[12:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, I will see with raphink to upload
[12:53] <Riddell> hmm?  I can upload
[12:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, but do you have time for this ? ;)
[12:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know you have 40 pages of TODO things :)
[12:57] <Riddell> uploading a debdiff is fine
[12:58] <Riddell> especially tonight
[12:58] <Riddell> next week, solid espresso!
[01:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe ;)
[01:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: do you have it ready?
[01:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, I'm writting the changelog and giving you the debdiff
[01:04] <Riddell> groovy
[01:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: just a few tests before too :) few minutes
[01:27] <Parkotron> kdesu has the "X" icon as its app icon. Shouldn't it be the "password" icon?
[01:28] <Riddell> Parkotron: yes
[01:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: I tested the new qtrc file with raphink to be sure it was ok not only on my computer, and that's nice :)
[01:28] <Riddell> all patches happily accepted
[01:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: you should have the email with the debdiff
[01:31] <Riddell> looks good, uploading
[01:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks :)
[01:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just noticed that even with french support installed, krita is still in english
[01:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't we get koffice-i18n-xx installing a language support ?
[01:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: unless there is a bug, I assume that's the result for any language.....
[01:39] <Riddell> koffice should be included in the langpacks, it's in main
[01:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: so that'll be resolved ? cool ;)
[01:41] <Riddell> nope, seems koffice isn't in the langpacks
[01:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ok, it should have been done but isn't :)
[01:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: any idea how to correct this ?
[01:42] <Riddell> we need to poke pitti
[01:44] <Riddell> hmm, koffice-l10n isn't in main
[01:45] <Riddell> we need to get pitti to write a special rule for it
[01:45] <Riddell> liek k3b has
[01:45] <Riddell> like
[01:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay :)
[01:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: writing this on my "don't forget" list :)
[01:48] <Tonio_> nite Riddell
[01:48] <Riddell> ooh, kaffine 0.8.1 released
[01:49] <Riddell> (not that I paticularly care to have it in dapper)
[01:50] <sebas> Riddell: You should add that to every sentence mentioning some app while UVF'ed.
[01:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: could be interesting if (I'm dreaming) if was correcting all bugs relative to it's konqueror's library :)
[01:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm testing
[03:17] <hendry> does Kubuntu use ubuntu-artwork ?
[03:19] <hendry> like more specifically the stuff in /usr/share/icons
[07:39] <hendry> when KDE logs in, what are those images that get loaded?
[07:39] <hendry> ksplash?
[07:42] <hendry> or greeter?
[07:52] <seaLne> ksplash i think you are meaning, the progress thing?
[07:54] <hendry> seaLne: yes
[08:00] <hendry> the progress thing...
[08:00] <hendry> doesn't seem to be ksplash
[08:12] <hendry> my initial splash is fooked
[08:18] <hendry> i can't get skim going in KDE
[08:22] <freeflying> hendry: what's the problem with skim
[08:25] <hendry> freeflying: it won't change to Korean keyboard
[08:25] <hendry> it's in the applet thing
[08:25] <hendry> and doesn't do anything
[08:26] <freeflying> hendry: you'd install korean language support packages
[08:26] <hendry> freeflying: yes, they're all there
[08:26] <hendry> i just can't turn it "on"
[08:27] <freeflying> hendry: which locales are u using now >\?
[08:30] <hendry> US
[08:32] <freeflying> hendry: then you shall set IM variable manually , or if you install scim-qtimm and scim-gtk2-immodule , you can just right click mouse and select input method
[08:33] <hendry> right click on skim icon does nothing
[08:34] <freeflying> hendry: right click on any input box , not skim
[08:42] <hendry> freeflying: i right click on kate edit window
[08:42] <hendry> nothing specific comes up
[08:43] <freeflying> hendry: have you installed scim-qtimm
[08:45] <hendry> freeflying: yes
[08:46] <hendry> where can I alter ksplash settings in Kubuntu?
[08:47] <freeflying> hendry: then you have two way: 1 switch you locales to ko and dpkg-reconfigure scim-hangul 2 set the IM environment manually
[08:51] <hendry> it simply doesn't work for me
[08:52] <freeflying> hendry: hehe, maybe atie can help you :)
[08:52] <hendry> no i'm seriously getting upset about kde's ksplash
[09:03] <seaLne> anyone else noticing problems with debtags today?
[09:04] <freeflying> seaLne: ya, I
[09:13] <kwwii> moin
[09:15] <freeflying> kwwii: noon !
[09:15] <kwwii> :-)
[09:16] <freeflying> :)
[09:17] <hendry> seaLne: i see it
[09:17] <hendry> --fix-missing
[09:20] <hendry> freeflying: how is one supposed to setup the locale to ko_KR.UTF-8 ?
[09:20] <hendry> I am using US locale. maybe doesn't like that
[09:23] <Lure_> Riddell: are you guilty for debtags?
[09:23] <Lure_> ;-)
[09:23] <Lure_> debtags: ConsistencyCheckException: Unable to use any data source (not even previously cached ones)
[09:25] <seaLne> well he uploaded it :)
[09:28] <freeflying> hendry: you can use language-selector-qt
[09:45] <hendry> damn, now KDE is crashing like bananas
[09:46] <hendry> is there a way to clear the session?
[10:02] <mornfall> *yawn* morning
[10:12] <sebas> *doubelyawn* morningfall
[10:13] <kwwii> howdy sebas
[10:33] <sebas> Hi kwwii
[11:08] <hendry> i can't see hibernate in Kubuntu
[11:09] <hendry> or have i missed something?
[11:10] <verwilst> hey, kde-guidance is sweet!
[11:10] <verwilst> i can setup dual screen as easy as in windows!
[11:11] <verwilst> well, there was something wrong with my resolution
[11:11] <verwilst> but dualscreen itself worked fine ;)
[11:44] <raphink> _Sime: hello
[11:55] <raphink> hendry: you can try kpowersave
[11:57] <Riddell> 10:18 < sabdfl> Riddell: nice april 1st desktop :-)
[11:57] <Riddell> raphink: ^^
[11:57] <raphink> hehe :)
[11:57] <raphink> I'll remove it when we have changes to make in k-d-s
[11:58] <Riddell> mind and blog it sometime too
[11:58] <raphink> blog what?
[01:08] <freeflying> Riddell: raphink ping
[01:08] <freeflying> Riddell: raphink I need one review on this http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2239
[02:55] <raphink> _Sime: PING
[03:32] <Hobbsee> Tm_T: what are you hiding for?
[03:32] <Tm_T> you?
[03:33] <Hobbsee> oh
[03:34] <seaLne> not doing a very good job of it then :)
[03:34] <Hobbsee> hmm?
[03:34] <seaLne> Tm_T hiding
[03:35] <Hobbsee> no, he isnt
[03:35] <Tm_T> =)
[03:38] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: what's up
[03:48] <Riddell> freeflying: what does scim-bridge fo?
[03:48] <Riddell> s/fo/do/
[03:48] <freeflying> Riddell: it will solve some C++ ABI issue under gtk
[03:55] <Riddell> freeflying: 1 issue, see comment http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2239
[04:01] <freeflying> Riddell: got it , need distclean , my error
[04:07] <freeflying> Riddell: why can't I run distclean in rules
[04:08] <Riddell> freeflying: you can
[04:08] <Riddell> but it's commented out
[04:08] <freeflying> Riddell: I uncomment it , it tell me no distclean target
[04:09] <Riddell> freeflying: keep the dash infront of the $(MAKE)
[04:09] <Riddell> -$(MAKE)
[04:11] <freeflying> Riddell: thx ,reuploading
[04:21] <seaLne> Riddell: polite reject for Bug #30265?
[04:21] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30265 in kdebase konqueror "Konqueror toolbar layout error" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30265
[04:22] <superstoned> hey ppl - anyone of you once tried to copy a 1 gig file from 1 partition to the other, and then use your computer... yes, linux STILL sucks here. now, finally, it looks like it is solved. the latest -ck patchset here (ck3 for 2.6.16), at least, allows me to still work SMOOTHLY when preling is running, a movie is being copied, and a few apps are starting. i think this is worth some respect, as this same workload makes even web
[04:23] <Riddell> seaLne: yeah I think so, it's not used by default so it's his choice where he wants to put it if he does
[04:23] <superstoned> (on the default dapper kernel)
[04:23] <superstoned> wish ubuntu would adopt these patches... ( i know they wont)
[04:24] <seaLne> and Bug #30304 sounds like he is complaining his monitor is too wide
[04:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30304 in kdebase kicker "On new install, virtual desktop switcher and system tray is badly placed" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/30304
[04:26] <Riddell> seaLne: that's a problem, the desktop applet and those to the right of it should be aligned to the right
[04:26] <Riddell> seaLne: ask him if he still gets the problem on flight 6 and if it's for a new user
[04:26] <freeflying> Riddell: done uplaoding
[04:29] <jjesse> under the new add/remove programs where do i find firefox?
[04:29] <kwwii> time for grocery shopping, bbl
[04:30] <Riddell> jjesse: search for firefox
[04:30] <Riddell> you have to choose Any Suite
[04:30] <sebas> superstoned: Your -ck advert has been cut off by the irc server after "web".
[04:30] <sebas> Did you try vanilla's cfg scheduler?
[04:31] <superstoned> cfg? cfq you mean?
[04:31] <sebas> eeh, yeah, typo.
[04:31] <superstoned> ok
[04:32] <superstoned> well, i supposed it would be default, but not sure 'bout that. anyway, the problem with IO is being fixed on mainline, too, it had to do with the accounting for cpu usage vs IO by the scheduler.
[04:32] <superstoned> so they had to fix the CPU scheduler, not IO.
[04:33] <superstoned> con detected the same problem with his scheduler, and fixed that.
[04:33] <sebas> No, it's not default, you need to boot with elevator=cfq IIRC.
[04:33] <superstoned> hmmm
[04:33] <sebas> It's the i/o scheduler, AFAIK.
[04:33] <superstoned> why not use it as default... it is much better for a desktop...
[04:33] <sebas> Running -ck, too, for a while now.
[04:33] <sebas> It really improves responsiveness under i/o on my notebook.
[04:34] <sebas> Well, linux's defaults suck anyway for desktops?
[04:34] <superstoned> anyway, the IO scheduler (cfq or timesliced cfq, the latest)  is better, indeed, but didn't fully fix the stall. at least not here.
[04:35] <superstoned> with the CPU scheduler fix, it's all much more smooth. tough the prop will be fixed in mainline, too - still, of course, -ck will be more responsive, staircase is just, by design, a lot better CPU scheduler.
[04:35] <superstoned> so, sebas, you like -ck :D
[04:35] <superstoned> great
[04:36] <superstoned> you know con was asked by some suse guy to release a -ck for suse, now and then?
[04:36] <superstoned> ubuntu should imho provide a ck patched kernel, too. for desktops, its much better. and there is a server version, too, improving throughput.
[04:37] <superstoned> i really don't get it - why would a better design with better performance not get into the kernel? (i actually DO understand it, its all about personal feelings and politics. smells a bit like the swsusp2 problem)
[04:39] <Riddell> superstoned: there's no linux builders on this channel, fabbione and benc live on #ubuntu-devel
[04:39] <Riddell> freeflying: looks good, want me to upload?
[04:39] <freeflying> Riddell: ya, thx
[04:40] <superstoned> hmmm, sorry to bother here. i think i already know what they're going to say: its not in mainline, so it'll most likely suck...
[04:40] <superstoned> anyway, i think i could ask them...
[04:41] <seaLne> what are applet handels with regards to kicker? Bug #37535
[04:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 37535 in kdebase "Kicker requires restart to apply config changes" [Normal,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/37535
[04:42] <seaLne> hard to tell if it works when i don't know what it is supposed to be changing :-/
[04:43] <Riddell> freeflying: 0.1.4 is out! http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=108454
[04:43] <freeflying> Riddell: then I'd packge the latest ?
[04:44] <Riddell> freeflying: please do
[04:47] <Riddell> hi _mvo_
[04:51] <_mvo_> hey Riddell
[04:55] <freeflying> Riddell: may include the ksmserver patch for ksmtheme ?
[04:55] <freeflying> s/may/may you
[04:56] <Riddell> freeflying: not for dapper, but certainly interresting for dapper+1
[05:02] <carlos> seaLne: hi
[05:02] <carlos> seaLne: around?
[05:02] <mornfall> Riddell: how did the debtags thing go?
[05:04] <seaLne> carlos: hi?
[05:04] <carlos> seaLne: https://launchpad.net/products/rosetta/+bug/3446
[05:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 3446 in knoda "% causes problem in translation strings" [Normal,Rejected]
[05:04] <freeflying> Riddell: done uplaod , plz upload it . thx
[05:04] <carlos> seaLne: Why did you close it?
[05:04] <carlos> seaLne: that package is broken
[05:05] <mornfall> b0rk b0rk :]
[05:05] <seaLne> carlos: that bug to me dosen't sound like a problem with knoda, but more a problem with translation?
[05:06] <carlos> seaLne: no, it's a problem with the msgid
[05:06] <carlos> and the msgid is inside the source code
[05:06] <carlos> they forgot to escape the '%' char
[05:06] <seaLne> ah sorry ok, not rejected
[05:07] <carlos> seaLne: thank you ;-)
[05:07] <mornfall> there's about million reports about application/octet-stream
[05:07] <carlos> I guess I didn't explain it enough
[05:07] <seaLne> carlos: i'll look more at it, thanks for pointing out
[05:07] <mornfall> what now
[05:07] <carlos> seaLne: ok, thanks
[05:07] <mornfall> it's getting old
[05:09] <Riddell> mornfall: debtags seems to be working, thanks for your help
[05:09] <Riddell> mornfall: I've getting the application/octet-stream problem now on flight 6
[05:09] <mornfall> Riddell: good
[05:09] <mornfall> Riddell: interesting
[05:10] <mornfall> Riddell: need fresh install or upgrading to latest dapper would cause it to appear?
[05:10] <mornfall> i don't have hardware to do fresh install tests
[05:12] <Riddell> mornfall: my flight 5 upgraded to flight 6 box now has the problem
[05:12] <Riddell> you could also try a live CD
[05:13] <mornfall> Riddell: i was about to complain i don't have a free machine with working cdrom, but i do -- i could indeed try that
[05:13] <mornfall> Riddell: in case it doesn't appear after upgrade
[05:18] <mornfall> btw i am using adept_notifier and adept_updater to update my machine now -- it works surprizingly well for me :]
[05:20] <Riddell> yeah, I was using that too, had no problems at all :)
[05:20] <Riddell> well, apart from my upstairs neighbour using gnutella over my wireless
[05:21] <Riddell> freeflying: uploaded
[05:22] <freeflying> Riddell: thx
[05:24] <mornfall> --> home
[05:24] <mornfall> laters
[06:19] <cmvo> Riddell: Hi! With flight-6 the delays caused by Crystal are gone. But is the title bar supposed to have color blend as the preview?
[06:23] <Riddell> cmvo: preview?
[06:24] <cmvo> Riddell: The preview in color settings. I guess Crystal just does not use the "Active Title Blend" color.
[06:26] <Riddell> presumably not
[06:27] <cmvo> Riddell: Any plans for a different button set for Crystal? Vista looks a bit too "redmondish" for my taste...
[06:28] <cmvo> Riddell: Crystal offers several sets of buttons, but with very little contrast.
[06:34] <Riddell> cmvo: yes, kwwii is working on a set
[06:40] <jjesse> Riddell: on the "home page" for Konqueror there is a link to the Kubuntu Quickguide that is no longer as that document is no longer shipped
[06:46] <cmvo> Riddell: Nice
[06:46] <Riddell> jjesse: ok, I'll fix that
[06:47] <cmvo> Riddell: But I still think the default blue is a bit too dark.
[06:48] <jjesse> Riddell: thanks :)
[06:49] <cmvo> Riddell: I created an alternative scheme, picking colors from the bubbles background. Would you mind if I mail it to you?
[06:53] <Riddell> cmvo: send it to kwwii
[07:00] <cmvo> Riddell: Where should I send it? His address at suse?
[07:01] <Riddell> no, bootsplash
[07:02] <Tonio_> hi all :)
[07:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm working on the antialiasing pb toonight
[07:02] <cmvo> Riddell: Ah, got it.
[07:03] <cmvo> Tonio_: Hi!
[07:03] <Tonio_> hello cmvo
[07:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: good luck :)
[07:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe
[07:09] <jjesse> shouldn't bug 6706 be closed as the report from the user who reported it says the latest updates fixed the problem
[07:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 6706 in kdebase "Konqueror crashes on searches in history file" [Normal,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/6706
[07:15] <cmvo> To whom could I talk about the ubuntu installer? It lets me use a local repository, but insists on security.ubuntu.com, which results in a timeout if the machine is connected to a network, but does not have internet access.
[08:15] <_Sime> raphink: pong
[08:20] <Oculus> _Sime: hi
[08:20] <_Sime> hi
[08:21] <Oculus> _Sime: you are doing systemsettings too right?
[08:21] <_Sime> Oculus: I've spent some time debugging it, yes.
[08:22] <Oculus> _Sime: what about german translation?
[08:22] <_Sime> Oculus: what about it??
[08:22] <Oculus> there isn't one right?
[08:23] <_Sime> probably not. There needs to be one, and I'm not sure if Riddell or anyone else is busy making sure that things get translated in time.
[08:23] <_Sime> Riddell: ping
[08:23] <Oculus> _Sime: the thing is that I have one :)
[08:23] <_Sime> Riddell: what is the story with the systemsettings translations? and Guidance translations? is that happening in rossetta?
[08:25] <Riddell> system settings should be translatable through the normal KDE means
[08:25] <Riddell> I can update the package if there's new translations in KDE SVN
[08:25] <_Sime> Oculus: It needs to be put in the KDE SVN repository, in the DE section of course.
[08:25] <Riddell> the rest of KDE should be being imported into rosetta this week (in theory)
[08:25] <_Sime> Riddell: is that all organised?
[08:25] <Riddell> _Sime: is what?
[08:26] <_Sime> Riddell: picking up all of the translation file for systemsettings? out of the i18n dir tree?
[08:26] <Riddell> _Sime: svn2dist takes care of it
[08:26] <_Sime> ok,
[08:26] <Oculus> _Sime: how to get it there without svn-access (not to self: get this svn-acces)
[08:26] <Riddell> Oculus: did you translate the .po file?
[08:26] <_Sime> and guidance is being translated?
[08:26] <Oculus> right
[08:27] <Oculus> -> Riddell
[08:27] <_Sime> Riddell: and guidance is being translated?
[08:27] <_Sime> Oculus: you are naturally free to translate guidance too. :-)
[08:27] <Riddell> Oculus: put it on a website somewhere and I'll put it into svn
[08:27] <Oculus> ok
[08:28] <Riddell> Oculus: did you do the .po file for the desktop files too?
[08:28] <Oculus> where to find?
[08:28] <Riddell> Oculus: where did you find the .po for systemsettings?
[08:30] <Riddell> _Sime: let me investigate
[08:31] <_Sime> Riddell: the guidance .po file maybe have to be put into rossetta by hand.
[08:31] <_Sime> Riddell: the scripts probably don't pick it up.
[08:31] <Riddell> _Sime: not imported https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/kde-guidance/+translations
[08:31] <_Sime> Riddell: is there an easy way to fix that?
[08:31] <Riddell> _Sime: it should do, guidance.pot is generated by the package
[08:32] <Riddell> I think we need to poke carlos or jordi to get it imported
[08:32] <Riddell> but we can also set it to have rosetta as the primary translation place
[08:33] <Oculus> http://oculusaquilae.de/kubuntu/dapper/de/systemsettings.po -- thats the file
[08:34] <_Sime> Riddell: ok, I trust that you have it under control. :-) (when is string freeze?)
[08:34] <Oculus> Riddell: i think somewhere from svn, but I don't find it know
[08:35] <Riddell> Oculus: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n/templates/messages/playground-base/
[08:35] <Riddell> desktop_playground-base.pot for the desktop files
[08:35] <Riddell> _Sime:
[08:35] <Riddell>    April 27th
[08:35] <Oculus> thanks
[08:36] <_Sime> Riddell: thanks
[08:36] <Riddell> Oculus: start with the existing german one http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n/de/messages/playground-base/
[08:39] <Riddell> Oculus: systemsettings.po committed
[08:39] <_Sime> cool, that will get the modules appearing in DE too.
[08:43] <Oculus> desktop_playground-base.po is translated
[08:45] <Riddell> Oculus: that was easy :)
[08:46] <Riddell> hmm, new cupsys doesn't solve KDE problem
[08:49] <Lure> Riddell: it seems it is beta1 and not rc1
[08:50] <Lure> unless the respected patch was backmerged?
[08:53] <Riddell> it won't have been
[08:54] <Riddell> but I'm not sure if the compatability funcations cups put in are to solve all kde problems or just one of them
[08:55] <Lure> we will just have to see - I hope we get rc1 ASAP to test - not much sense to test old beta code anyhow
[08:57] <toma> is that why i get a 'initialising printers' message for ever when i try to print?
[08:57] <Riddell> that'll be one of the issues yes
[08:57] <Riddell> toma: could you update cupsys and see if that fixes it?
[08:58] <toma> Riddell: that would be at work, tomorrow.
[08:59] <Riddell> they fixed this http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=124157
[08:59] <toma> (nothing so embarrassing as asking my gnome collega to print every time)
[08:59] <Riddell> but that's a compile issue, bit the issues people have been having
[09:01] <Riddell> s/bit/not/
[09:01] <toma> Riddell: ouch and oops
[09:01] <Riddell> I think we're going to have to include an old cups in the archive
[09:02] <toma> yes, unless there is a patch for kdeprint available soon
[10:16] <Riddell> _Sime: ping
[10:16] <carlos> hi
[10:16] <_Sime> hi
[10:17] <Riddell> carlos: hi, _Sime here is wondering how to register guidance so rosetta is where it gets translated
[10:18] <carlos> _Sime: hi
[10:18] <carlos> _Sime: are you a member of the 'guidance' development team?
[10:18] <carlos> or you want it for Rosetta?
[10:18] <carlos> sorry
[10:18] <carlos> for Kubuntu
[10:18] <Riddell> carlos: sime is the author of guidance
[10:19] <Riddell> guidance is an important kubuntu package
[10:19] <Riddell> (it's actually kde-guidance in the archives)
[10:19] <carlos> There are two kinds of imports
[10:19] <carlos> 1. for Kubuntu usage
[10:19] <carlos> 2. for upstream usage
[10:19] <_Sime> 2. I guess.
[10:19] <carlos> The Kubuntu one will be done automatically
[10:20] <carlos> Riddell: btw, I asked already for a review for the code that will import KDE into Rosetta
[10:20] <Riddell> carlos: a review from the launchpad devels?
[10:20] <carlos> _Sime: ok, then, please, look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RosettaFAQ and follow the instructions about how to import a new product to be translated with Rosetta
[10:21] <carlos> Riddell: yes, our normal procedure before we move that code into production
[10:22] <carlos> Riddell: I will try to get it merged into production tomorror or Thrusday, if it's not possible, next Tuesday all KDE translations will be imported (I guess it will take a while as there are near 30000 files from KDE...)
[10:22] <_Sime> carlos: ok, once I import, should I then d/l the translations and add them to my SVN?
[10:22] <Riddell> excellent news :)
[10:22] <carlos> _Sime: yes, we don't have a way to do it automatically
[10:23] <carlos> Riddell: yeah, I hope we don't find any corner case... Well I found some already like having .po files named as .pot ... but those are minor and we can fix them easily
[10:24] <toma> carlos: how are you going to sync between rosetta and kde then?
[10:24] <carlos> _Sime: please, feel free to ask anything you need about Rosetta handling at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Jordi or I will answer you
[10:25] <_Sime> carlos: ok
[10:25] <carlos> toma: we are not importing upstream KDE yet
[10:25] <carlos> toma: only the versions we use with KUbuntu
[10:25] <carlos> toma: Ubuntu translators are expected to send their changes upstream
[10:25] <toma> carlos: ok, so the pot generation for those applications will stop in kde?
[10:26] <carlos> toma: only if the translators send it
[10:26] <Riddell> toma: we will still generate .pot files, that's how rosetta will import them
[10:27] <toma> carlos: i mean, if the app is still in kde svn, the template generation should stop, else kde translators will still start to translate there
[10:28] <carlos> toma: well, if we package that svn version for KUbuntu, we need to generate it, why not?
[10:28] <carlos> we are using it anyway...
[10:29] <Riddell> toma: will start to translate where?
[10:30] <toma> when an application is in kde svn templates are created automatically, KDE Translators will see that and translate it into kde svn. What will happen if you import that template in rosetta? Are you removing the templates to stop the translationg process in kde svn?
[10:31] <carlos> toma: no
[10:31] <Riddell> toma: templates won't be imported from KDE SVN into rosetta
[10:31] <carlos> toma: we import .pot and any .po files
[10:31] <Riddell> they'll be imported from the kubuntu KDE packages into rosetta
[10:31] <carlos> when we package that version
[10:31] <carlos> what Riddell said
[10:32] <toma> ok, so then it is in rosetta, right?
[10:32] <Riddell> toma: will be when carlos merges his KDE code next week
[10:32] <toma> what happens next? where should translation take place?
[10:33] <Riddell> toma: depends if you care about KDE, kubuntu and/or a nice web interface
[10:33] <Riddell> toma: for pure KDE use KDE SVN, but if you want a nice web interface use rosetta and export that into KDE's SVN
[10:34] <toma> Riddell: so how are you going to package that application? from kde svn or from rosetta?
[10:35] <Riddell> toma: which application?
[10:36] <toma> an application which can be translated in rosetta and in kde svn
[10:36] <Riddell> toma: rosetta translations get exported automatically into kubuntu's language-pack-kde-* packages
[10:36] <carlos> toma: we only handle translations
[10:37] <Riddell> toma: if there are translations in rosetta that should go into KDE those can be exported and uploaded to SVN in the normal way
[10:37] <toma> Riddell: ah, ok. so if i dont install that package, i get the kde-svn version.
[10:37] <toma> great.
[10:38] <Riddell> only if you install kde svn yourself
[10:39] <toma> except for the applications where the translations are included
[10:40] <Riddell> toma: included where?
[10:41] <carlos> toma: only applications from universe include translations
[10:41] <toma> Riddell: digikam tarball includes the translations.
[10:41] <carlos> the ones in main lack translations until you install Kubuntu's language packs
[10:41] <toma> carlos: right
[10:41] <toma> carlos: ok
[10:41] <Riddell> toma: main apps with .po files have those po files stripped from the package and sent to rosetta
[10:42] <Riddell> then rosetta will export them to lanaguage-pack-kde-*
[10:44] <carlos> Do you need anything else from me?
[10:45] <Riddell> carlos: thanks carlos, sleep tight :)
[10:46] <carlos> Riddell: will tell you when KDE imports start
[10:46] <carlos> Riddell: thanks
[10:46] <carlos> good night!
[10:56] <Lure> Riddell: ping
[10:56] <Riddell> Lure: hi
[10:56] <sebas> Riddell: I've got a bug in the packaging of guidance, just cost me an hour or two.
[10:56] <Lure> n-m 0.6.2 is in repo - knm now FTBFS -> will probably not help with main inclusion ;-)
[10:56] <Riddell> sebas: oh?
[10:57] <Lure> we probably just need to remove kubuntu_03_revert_API_change.patch
[10:57] <Pygi> Lure: FTBFS? =P
[10:57] <Riddell> Lure: thanks, lets give it a try
[10:57] <Riddell> Pygi: silly acronym for fail to build from source
[10:57] <Lure> I am just runing pbuilder run
[10:57] <Pygi> Riddell: oh, what an acronym =P
[10:59] <Pygi> bah, just dl-ed new kubuntu, lemme try
[11:13] <Lure> Riddell: knm builds properly with n-m 0.6.2 if kubuntu_03_revert_API_change.patch is removed
[11:14] <Riddell> Lure: great, thanks
[11:16] <sebas> Riddell: Uninstalling guidance obviously doesn't remove the link in Xsession startup to displayconfig-restore.
[11:17] <sebas> So after removing guidance, X crashes at startup.
[11:17] <Riddell> sebas: ouch, that's not good
[11:17] <sebas> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/40guidance-displayconfig_restore: line 9: /usr/bin/displayconfig-restore: No such file or directory
[11:18] <sebas> Riddell: Yeah, but that's the way we learn, right? :)
[11:18] <Riddell> hmm, if it's in /etc/ then it'll treat is as a conffile and won't remove it unless the package is purged
[11:18] <sebas> Actually, it's quite funny debugging some strange problem, and finally finding out that it's your own code doing evil :)
[11:19] <sebas> Riddell: It's no configfile though.
[11:19] <Riddell> yep, so I need to find out how to tell debhelper it's not
[11:19] <sebas> It's more something like an init.d file I'd say.
[11:20] <Dinofly> hello
[11:20] <sebas> Hi Dinofly
[11:22] <Riddell> _Sime: it'll get imported when carlos does his kde code for rosetta
[11:22] <_Sime> ok,
[11:22] <_Sime> then I'll do nothing
[11:22] <Riddell> _Sime: are you registering guidance as a product on launchpad?
[11:22] <_Sime> sebas: I'm going to fix that kapp.process() stuff in serviceconfig.
[11:22] <_Sime> Riddell: no
[11:23] <Riddell> I think you can upload if you register it as a product and set launchpad to h
[11:23] <Riddell> handle translations
[11:24] <_Sime> what's the difference between a package and a product?
[11:24] <Riddell> a package is something in ubuntu, a product is a project registered with launchpad
[11:25] <Riddell> you can link packages to products
[11:26] <_Sime> ok, I'll register it tomorrow or something.
[11:26] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/kde-guidance
[11:26] <Riddell> see "link them up"
[11:27] <_Sime> ok, I see
[11:28] <Pygi> Riddell: are we going to change Kwifi if Knm hits main?
[11:28] <Riddell> no, we'll change it if wlassistant hits main
[11:28] <Riddell> network manager isn't in desktop
[11:28] <robotgeek> Pygi: even if netowrk manager doesn't work for me, i'll take it ower kwifimanager :)
[11:28] <kmon> Riddell: why?
[11:29] <Riddell> kmon: because it still breaks things, and it doesn't han
[11:29] <Riddell> handle static IPs
[11:29] <Pygi> Riddell: right, agreed
[11:29] <sebas> _Sime: Ah, good.
[11:29] <Riddell> the return key on this keyboard is stupidly sensitive
[11:29] <kmon> Riddell: ok
[11:29] <Pygi> robotgeek: hehe, why is that? =P
[11:30] <robotgeek> Pygi: kwifimanager has not worked for in 2 years, network manager has worked for me in the past (different wireless card)
[11:30] <Pygi> hehe =P
[11:31] <Pygi> read the "past" thingy ;) now it might not =P
[11:31] <kmon> Do you know if beagle will separate all that gtk stuff so we can install kerry without gtk?
[11:31] <robotgeek> Pygi: it doesn't right now, but i am just happy that my airport extreme works great for me
[11:31] <_Sime> sebas: I generally keep the TODO file up to date.
[11:31] <Riddell> kmon: probably only if we make them
[11:32] <Pygi> robotgeek: ah, ok  ^_^
[11:32] <sebas> _Sime: Good :)
[11:32] <Pygi> robotgeek: interested in helping with nm? ^_^
[11:32] <sebas> I'll try to find time in between, but at the mo, marketing stuff takes up a lot of energy for all kinds of TODO lists.
[11:32] <sebas> So bear with me please.
[11:32] <kmon> and if kat releases 0.7 before dapper is released, will it enter universe?
[11:32] <robotgeek> Pygi: sure. i think i mailed a few logs to tonio and lure
[11:33] <robotgeek> Pygi: has anything changed in a week?
[11:33] <Pygi> robotgeek: go to bug reports, and close unneeded ones
[11:33] <Pygi> robotgeek: I was reffering to N-M, not Knm
[11:33] <robotgeek> Pygi: ah, okay. :)
[11:33] <Pygi> I don't have anything to do with Knm :P
[11:34] <robotgeek> Pygi: okay, taking a look now.
[11:34] <robotgeek> Pygi: https://launchpad.net/malone/products/network-managershows only 2 bugs?
[11:35] <Pygi> sec
[11:36] <Pygi> bah :-/
[11:36] <Pygi> that isn't that link, anyway gimme a sec
[11:37] <robotgeek> kk
[11:37] <Pygi> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bugs
[11:38] <robotgeek> thanks
[11:38] <robotgeek> launchpad is so confusing :P
[11:40] <kmon> why kopete's integration with get new stuff via kde-look is disabled?