[00:00] <KM0201> alex_mayorga: if you're using 11.10, pretty sure its gone.
[00:01] <alex_mayorga> KM0201: I know, just wondering what can I install to get the option back
[00:01] <KM0201> gnome 2.x is gone, but it might be in the repos if you want to install it (not using 11.10 at the moment)....
[00:02] <micahg> gnome 2 is mostly gone, superseded by 3.0.x or 3.1.x
[00:02] <KM0201> and unity fro that matter (if you're on ubuntu)
[00:03] <KM0201> but gnome 2.x is likely still in the repos if you want to use it.... i had a soft spot for Gnome 2.x, just can't get used to Unity or Gnome 3, so I started using LXDE, and it's just awesome.
[00:03] <micahg> KM0201: almost everything with a 3.0.x or 3.1.x has been superseded
[00:04] <KM0201> micahg: i understand that, but i imagine you can find 2.x somewhere...
[00:04] <micahg> KM0201: not in oneiric
[00:06] <KM0201> hmm.. i dunno, where theres a will, there's a way...lol
[00:06] <KM0201> just wouldn't surprise me if someone backported it, or someething like that
[00:06] <micahg> KM0201: with the 3.2 release GNOME won't support it either
[00:06] <KM0201> right.
[00:08] <bjsnider> it could be backported at the cost of breaking everything
[00:08] <bjsnider> so it wouldn't produce a usable desktop
[00:08] <micahg> it would be forward porting in this case
[00:08] <KM0201> lol
[00:09] <KM0201> well, the good news is, as bad as gnome 3 sucks, xfce seems halfway decent (but i don't care for it either)... and LXDE is just awesome..
[00:09] <bjsnider> using lucid would be the best way to use gnome 2 at this point
[00:09] <micahg> if you want 2.x to last as long as possible, lucid is the best option
[00:09] <micahg> heh
[00:10] <KM0201> i dn't really wanna use 2.x, i like 2.x, a lot... but i consider Unity/Gnome 3, train wrecks, so i just hopped off that train so i could start learning something else
[00:10] <bjsnider> no one's criticizing you, but you're wrong
[00:11] <micahg> well, there's GNOME 3 w/out shell
[00:11] <bjsnider> yeah, you coul duse a vt
[00:53] <alex_mayorga> so how do I get gnome3 on Oneiric?
[01:08] <rww> alex_mayorga: do you mean GNOME 3 or GNOME Shell?
[01:08] <alex_mayorga> rww: gnome 3
[01:09] <rww> alex_mayorga: Ubuntu Oneiric has GNOME 3 out of the box.
[01:10] <alex_mayorga> rww: so how I get whatever is "classic" now?
[01:10] <alex_mayorga> login only has unity and unity 2d
[01:11] <rww> no idea. If I were trying to do so, I'd probably install GNOME Shell and turn on fallback mode, but that seems like a roundabout way of doing it.
[01:11] <alex_mayorga> rww: what package is gnome shell?
[01:11] <rww> gnome-shell
[01:12] <rww> (bearing in mind that "classic" in Ubuntu 11.04 is GNOME 2.something, and there is no GNOME 2 in Oneiric)
[01:13] <KM0201> or embrace the horror, gnome as we know it is gone, move to LXDE or XFCE.. :)
[01:14] <Dr_Willis> thats what the kde users did... switched to gnome...
[01:14] <Dr_Willis> sounds weird.. but im getting so used to how the GUI on my phone  works.. pc's seem.. weird.
[01:15] <Dr_Willis> Now to test  Ocelot on my problematic Nvidia systems....
[01:15] <rww> KDE is fine after about 4.3 or 4.4. Perhaps GNOME will be fine after 3.3 or 3.4 ;)
[01:15] <rww> 3.2 already looks like it's going to be a vast improvement.
[01:16] <alex_mayorga> Dr_Willis: what phone OS do you have
[01:16] <Dr_Willis> android 2.2 right now
[01:16] <alex_mayorga> rww: thanks!
[01:16] <rww> alex_mayorga: let me know if it actually works, I'd be interested to know
[01:17] <Dr_Willis> KDE is very nice now. but its still just overwhelming in so many ways.. and so obscure in how to do things.
[01:17] <Dr_Willis> I hope unity at least 'works' on my machines in Ocelot.
[01:17] <alex_mayorga> rww: Breaks: gnome-control-center (< 1:3.0)
[01:18] <rww> !info gnome-control-center
[01:18] <alex_mayorga> :(
[01:18] <rww> alex_mayorga: and? :P
[01:18] <alex_mayorga> rww: only that
[01:19] <alex_mayorga> yup
[01:19] <rww> according to ubottu, oneiric doesn't have < 1:3.0...
[01:19] <KM0201> Dr_Willis: u gotta try lubuntu.. :)
[01:20] <KM0201> if kDE is overwhelming to you
[01:20] <Dr_Willis> KM0201:  thats what ive been using since the big change to unity...
[01:20] <Dr_Willis> :)
[01:20] <KM0201> Dr_Willis: then why change to kde?.. :)
[01:20] <Dr_Willis> lubuntu + AWN for a decent launcher panel
[01:21] <Dr_Willis> i was using Openbox + AWN. :)
[01:21] <rww> amusingly, I'm fine with KDE and find Lubuntu overwhelming due to the design... quirks. I guess it's all about what you're comfortable with.
[01:21] <Dr_Willis> windowmaker even..
[01:22] <Dr_Willis> trying to sit down and actually explain to someone how to use kde.. is.. overwhelming. :) i know where to find things/look for things.. but for most users it will be chaotic.
[01:22] <Dr_Willis> I still get confused and wonder where the 'copy dialog box' went to....
[01:22] <rww> what's a 'copy dialog box'?
[01:22] <Dr_Willis> a lot of the default 'desktop widgit things'  i still hve never gotten to work..
[01:22] <Dr_Willis> 'copying 100 of 1000000.... time.. 20 min.'  dialog window
[01:23] <rww> ah. yeah, stateful notifications are a bit fun
[01:23] <Dr_Willis> i forget its got that little notify icon at the boottom right in kde. :)
[01:24] <Dr_Willis> I just WISH someday the file managers would get smarter and start queing up the copy requests.. im constantly draging a 3gb file somewhere.. then another... then a few more.. and the disks  melt from trying to do all 5 at once.
[01:24] <rww> I disagree with a lot of Ayatana, but the whole "notifications should be notifications and not have buttons and progressbars and other random crap on them" idea turned out well.
[01:24] <Dr_Willis> I could sware ive seen OS's that do  queing that way.. :) perhaps beOS.
[01:24] <rww> notify-osd is a lot less confusing than KDE notifications
[01:48] <alex_mayorga> rww: so would my system break beyond repair if I install gnome-shell?
[01:48] <alex_mayorga> !info gnome-shell
[01:48] <rww> not more than it probably already is if you're running oneiric :P
[01:48] <alex_mayorga> fair enough
[01:48] <alex_mayorga> would Ubuntu ever show at http://www.gnome.org/getting-gnome/
[01:49] <alex_mayorga> or is that relationship now death for good?
[01:50] <rww> I doubt it. Ubuntu's priorities don't include showcasing the latest and greatest GNOME stuff. Fedora's do (to the point that they modified their plans for default artwork so they'd be more like upstream).
[01:51] <rww> (disclaimer: I know nothing about openSUSE)
[01:53] <alex_mayorga> rww: all packages have been fetched and installed
[01:54] <alex_mayorga> now how do I activate it?
[01:54] <alex_mayorga> something to reconfigure?
[01:55] <rww> the dropdown in GDM, I'd assume
[01:55] <alex_mayorga> BRB
[01:58] <alex_mayorga> it works!
[01:58] <alex_mayorga> looks "odd" too though :(
[01:58] <Dr_Willis> hot pink and puce theme?
[01:58] <alex_mayorga> that or "I'm getting old"
[01:59] <Dr_Willis> the next trend in gui design. :)  'im too old to understand'
[01:59] <Dr_Willis> Old Otter. :) for the next release.. for us old timers.
[02:00] <alex_mayorga> I guess we'd be beyond "windows" soon :)
[02:02] <Dr_Willis> we seem to be going full circle in many ways.. theres to many   things i notice that 'this feature is not configureable'  seems to get applied to.
[02:02] <Dr_Willis> a long way from the 'pick your window mnager, pick your file manager, pick your launcher... ' from the days of old...
[02:07] <alex_mayorga> Dr_Willis: In all fairness, the only reason I boot up a PC these days is to launch a web browser :S
[02:17] <Dr_Willis> alex_mayorga:  i do more web surfing on my cellphone then the pc.. :)
[02:17] <Dr_Willis> night all...
[02:32] <alex_mayorga> seems like gnome shell doesn't have the weather icon either :(
[03:57] <h00k> I think Oneric's wallpaper slideshow should transition nicely
[09:27] <proti> morning
[09:28] <proti> #802626
[09:28] <proti> If anybody could have a look.
[09:29] <proti> It's another problem at boot. vgchange -a y just hangs and hanged the whole boot process.
[09:29] <proti> It became unkillable.
[10:22] <BUGabundo> morning
[12:17] <smerz> [18.07.2011 14:17:03] erasedata: plugin can't start for unknown reason.
[12:17] <smerz> [18.07.2011 14:17:03] seedingtime: plugin can't start for unknown reason.
[12:17] <smerz> rutorrent reinstall doesn't seem to work :(
[12:17] <smerz> argh
[12:17] <smerz> my bad. wrong chan sry
[12:46] <dr_willis> well so far this release boots better for me. i just cant get to the gnome desktop. just a screen and pointer.. i dont even see it ask for my password
[12:46] <dr_willis> console works nicely. ;)
[13:07] <lamalex> hi guys. when i log in it just hangs. with lightdm
[13:07] <lamalex> i can't get into any sessions
[13:08] <dr_willis> same issue here lamalex
[13:09] <lamalex> dr_willis: have you found any way around it?
[13:09] <dr_willis> startx works.. almost
[13:09] <dr_willis> not beat on it yet. just installed from daily build last night
[13:11] <lamalex> when you do startx do you just get a failed to load session "gnome" error
[13:11] <lamalex> dr_willis: ^
[13:13] <lamalex> dr_willis: what kind of graphics chip do you have
[13:20] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:21] <charlie-tca> Try choosing "Other..." on the lightdm login, then enter the name and password.
[13:22] <lamlex> charlie-tca: yah ij ust found that bug report
[13:22] <lamlex> was about to poing dr_willis with it :{
[13:22] <lamlex> :P
[13:24] <dr_willis> lamlex: yeo. so i maded a custome .xsession
[13:25] <dr_willis> i never saw where to enter pass on litedm
[13:26] <dr_willis> i made .xsession run  gnome-terminal, and exec  gnome-session --session=gnome  i think
[13:27] <lamlex> dr_willis: did you try charlie-tca's suggestion of doing 'other' then typing your username manually?
[13:27] <dr_willis> not at home so i cant try it
[13:27] <lamlex> ok
[13:28] <dr_willis> i was playing with other distros the last 3 days. ;)
[13:28] <dr_willis> then decided to try  the alpha
[13:39] <lamalex> dr_willis, it works!
[13:41] <dr_willis> what did?
[13:42] <lamalex> choosing other at the lightdm screen
[13:42] <dr_willis> heh. gotta love workarounds
[13:46] <BluesKaj> does the nvidia-current driver still break X ?
[13:48] <BluesKaj> or the reverse ?
[13:48] <lamalex> BluesKaj, nope- it's ok here
[13:49] <BluesKaj> lamalex, which nvidia card ?
[13:49] <BluesKaj> I have the 8400gs and 7600gt on my older machine
[13:49] <lamalex> BluesKaj, honestly i forget what mine is. whatever is in the last gen of macbook pros
[13:49] <BluesKaj> 8400gs on this
[13:55] <BluesKaj> well this is a pretty generic HP desktop , so that's a difficult prdeiction and comparison to make :)
[13:55] <yofel> BluesKaj: my problem's bug 810647
[13:57] <BluesKaj> ok yofel thanks...checking
[14:03] <BluesKaj> yofel, did you blacklist nouveau ?
[14:05] <yofel> no, I didn't see that solution fast enough, so I did it the brute force way:
[14:05] <yofel> sudo rm /lib/modules/3.0.0-5-generic/kernel/drivers/gpu/drm/nouveau/nouveau.ko
[14:05] <yofel> sudo update-initramfs -k $(uname -r) -u
[14:08] <BluesKaj> hmm. glad to see there's a fix/workaround , but I think I'll wait for a while anyway
[17:46] <dupondje> Nobody happen to have a Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6230 ?
[17:46] <dr_willis> nope
[17:55] <KM0201> dupondje: why?
[17:55] <KM0201> my new laptop has a Celeron P4600, whatever that is
[17:55] <KM0201> lol
[17:56] <KM0201> dr_willis: why did you remove the caps from your name?
[17:56] <dr_willis> to hide from my enemies...
[17:56] <dr_willis> ;)
[17:56] <KM0201> lol
[17:58] <dupondje> Need to have someone that can simulate an issue I have
[18:00] <KM0201> hmm
[18:00] <Pici> At least hes identified today.
[18:04] <robin0800> has anyone found a wallpaper changer that works in 11.10 the background gnome3? is now from somewhere different I think
[19:43] <donniezzdfsdfs> I can't get to my desktop. As soon as i click my login name in lightdm it goes off. No password is asked. I am left to a blank screen. I can get to tty.
[19:44] <charlie-tca> click on Other..., enter your username and password
[19:49] <donniezzdfsdfs> thanks charlie-tca
[20:48] <BUGabundo> evening!
[21:14] <edasdsadsa> Hello
[21:14] <edasdsadsa> somebody know if gnome 3 is included in ubuntu 11.10 yer ?
[21:14] <edasdsadsa> yet ?
[21:15] <micahg> edasdsadsa: gnome 3 packages are, gnome 3 w/out shell I don't think exists as a unit yet
[21:15] <edasdsadsa> okay it is not chooseable in the lightdm jetzt ?
[21:15] <edasdsadsa> jetzt = yet
[21:16] <micahg> not that I know of, but gnome shell should be
[21:17] <edasdsadsa> yes i meant the gnome shell
[21:17] <Dimmuxx> you have to install gnome-shell if you want to use it
[21:17] <edasdsadsa> ah
[21:17] <edasdsadsa> okay
[21:17] <edasdsadsa> and do you think in the final release gnome-shell will be preincluded
[21:17] <Dimmuxx> it won't
[21:18] <edasdsadsa> i have a problem with unity
[21:18] <edasdsadsa> maybe you can help ,e
[21:18] <edasdsadsa> me
[21:18] <BUGabundo> only one?
[21:18] <BUGabundo> lucky u
[21:19] <edasdsadsa> if a window
[21:19] <edasdsadsa> is more than 50 percent on the other virtual desktop
[21:19] <edasdsadsa> and i maximize it
[21:20] <edasdsadsa> it maximizes on the other desktop
[21:23] <edasdsadsa> no help
[21:36] <jakemp> I'm using the Oneric Alpha, and I am getting a strange lag in cursor response.
[22:02] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, you notice the new flash plugin causing the whole desktop to crash?
[22:03] <BUGabundo> nope
[22:03] <BUGabundo> I'm using 11 .so
[22:03] <BUGabundo> 64bits
[22:10] <KM0201> wha tis a bit, and why do we need 64 of them, and not 96 or 128?
[22:11] <BUGabundo> what??


[17:44] <chuckles1407> i have questions about ubuntu server software
[17:45] <hrnz> chuckles1407: that's nice.
[17:47] <chuckles1407> hrnz i wanted to make sure i was in the right place before asking. Anyway I am new to using servers and was wondering if windows computers would work on ubuntu server
[17:48] <hrnz> yes, they would most certainly work
[17:48] <hrnz> but this isn't the right place to ask ;)
[17:50] <chuckles1407> tank you. i knew how to set a server up and know how a server worked but wanted to check before going though the processes. thank you for awnsering even if this is the wrong place to ask ;)
[17:51] <jussi> chuckles1407: #ubuntu-server is a more appropriate place
[17:52] <chuckles1407> thank you i will bookmark for future servces


[18:55] <cmaloney> Is anyone heading to OLF?
[20:26] <dzho> cmaloney: maybe
[20:26] <cmaloney> dzho: The Ohio loco is looking for folks to staff a booth
[20:26] <cmaloney> so if you're interested in that LMK
[20:27] <cmaloney> though it's doubtful that the booth will even come together as the Ohio loco is having a hard time finding folks.
[20:27]  * dzho nods


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[00:04] <unomi> Where can I find the script that ubiquity uses for install?
[00:16] <jpds> unomi: apt-get source ubiquity and look at scripts/install.py?
[00:18] <unomi> thanks, jpds there wouldn't be a way to modify it from a usb-stick install medium?
[00:19] <jpds> unomi: ubiquity: /usr/share/ubiquity/install.py
[00:19] <unomi> cheers
[00:27] <unomi> unfortunately I am not seeing any references to parted in there
[02:13] <YokoZar> jdong: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ia32-libs/+bug/601499
[04:08] <philsf> what's the proper channel to ask about packages from the canonical DX team PPA?
[11:26] <hunger> Any idea why schroot no longer works in maverick with encrypted homedirs? Used to work fine in lucid:-(
[13:55] <hunger> Replacing bind with rbind in the line mounting /home in /etc/schroot/default/fstab fixes schroot for me:-)
[14:13] <arand> debian-installer takes 1h+, whereas ubiquity takes ~20min, to install an equivalent standard desktop install. Is this how things are and should be? Or should this be brought up as a bug report?
[14:26] <njin> Alternate version is extudied to work on pc with low ram
[16:43] <arand> njin: re. ubiquity / d-i ... So the adaptation for low memory usage comes at the toll of d-i not using system resources even if they exist? I was under the impression that d-i was meant for far more than just lowmem installs..?
[16:52] <njin> arand: i'm not an expert, the only things that i can see is D.I. is used in alternate versions, Ubiquity in others, and effectively on the same machine is slower than ubiquity
[16:56] <arand> njin: Yep, I just did an equivalent desktop install on the same machine using both the liveCD and the alternate installer, at the diff in time was at least 40min. Which does seem a bit odd.
[16:56] <arand> s/at/and/
[16:59] <njin> no, i'm an iso-tester and the difference isn't about 40 min, it can be about 10-15
[17:33] <jdong> hmm
[17:33] <jdong> do other SRU team members have an opinion on the massive Banshee diff sitting in lucid unapproved?
[17:52] <Laney> bugfix uploads have generally been accepted so far
[18:40] <Carb0n> does anyone know which part of ubuntu 10.04 is responsible for drawing/loading the desktop wallpaper by default? like is it nautilus?
[18:42] <micahg> Carb0n: execute this and then click on the desktop: xprop | grep CLASS
[18:43] <Carb0n> cool thanks
[19:23] <jussi> Is anyone here familiar with #ubuntu-toolchain and whether it is still used or needed?
[20:27] <abhi_nav> i want to know why evolution is preferd over thunderbird? I am just a regular user. want to know
[20:35] <micahg> abhi_nav: it's personal preference
[20:36] <abhi_nav> micahg, no. I want to know reason why evolution is default. is it best? if yes then tell me so
[20:36] <micahg> abhi_nav: probably because it integrates better into the desktop
[20:36] <abhi_nav> micahg, ok. thanks :)
[20:36] <micahg> abhi_nav: but you're free to use whatever client you like
[20:37] <abhi_nav> micahg, yah I know. I just wanted to know whic is the best? its ok
[20:38] <micahg> abhi_nav: it depends on the person
[20:38] <abhi_nav> micahg, you mean persons likes or you mean persons requirements?
[20:38] <micahg> abhi_nav: both :)
[20:38] <abhi_nav> micahg, hmm
[20:51] <abhi_nav> micahg, I am a comp engg student. I do little contributin using laucnpad etc. and no prefessional work still now. so which one you wll recommend for me?
[20:52] <micahg> abhi_nav: I can't be impartial as I'm one of the Mozilla maintainers :), try both if you don't have a preference and keep using the one you like more
[20:52] <abhi_nav> micahg, :( ok. btw thanks.
[20:52] <abhi_nav> :)
[22:12] <cjwatson> arand: that's how things are and should be.  unpacking .debs is more flexible, but is intrinsically slower than copying a filesystem
[22:14] <cjwatson> arand: (although there is an existing open bug that we should be telling dpkg to use unsafe I/O during installation, which would make d-i faster)
[22:14] <lifeless> cjwatson: has anyone looked into the dpkg safe IO implementation - reading the db doesn't seem like it should be writing, and reading shows up as slow
[22:15] <arand> cjwatson: Okay, right, I wasn't aware of a major diff in the way they installed the system, but then it makes quite a lot of sense I guess, thanks for the info!
[22:16] <cjwatson> lifeless: that's orthogonal
[22:16] <cjwatson> arand: completely different installation method
[22:16] <lifeless> cjwatson: ok, different cause for that slowdown?
[22:17] <cjwatson> lifeless: the unsafe I/O thing is specifically and only due to the recent sync changes - I don't want to scope-creep into speeding up db reading
[22:17] <cjwatson> lifeless: (which, if it were to be optimised, could be done generically and wouldn't need to be specific to installation)
[22:17] <lifeless> cjwatson: for clarity, it seemed to me that db reading took a nosedive at the same time safe-IO arrived.
[22:17] <lifeless> cjwatson: I had thought they were thus related
[22:17] <cjwatson> it can't be related
[22:18] <cjwatson> it actually should have speeded up around that time, though!
[22:18] <cjwatson>     - Use FIEMAP when available (on Linux based systems) to sort the .list
[22:18] <cjwatson>       files loading order. With a cold cache it improves up to a 70%.
[22:18] <cjwatson>       Thanks to Morten Hustveit<EMAIL_ADDRESS>LP: #442114
[22:18] <lifeless> interesting
[22:18] <cjwatson> (dpkg <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2)
[22:19] <cjwatson> and it did improve things for me, IIRC, I seem to remember testing that
[22:19] <cjwatson> so maybe somewhat system-specific, though I don't know how - if it's reproducible in a Debian chroot, maybe take it upstream?
[22:20] <lifeless> cjwatson: when I get some spare cycles I'll have a fiddle. No promises - more than slightly frenetic at the moment.
[22:30] <Booca_Juniiiors> holaaas
[23:44] <cherva> What part of ubuntu is responsible for the laptops Fn+F1-12 shortcuts ?


[14:52] <aalinuxx> hi, i have a problem about adding a computer to ubuntuone account
[14:53] <aalinuxx> is there a way to add a computer from CLI
[15:04]  * urbanape is at UDS
[20:57] <netbook> Is ubuntu one hosted on Amazon's cloud service?
[20:57] <netbook> Or did they make their own infastructure
[20:57] <joshuahoover> netbook: both
[20:58] <joshuahoover> netbook: the file storage and serving part is on amazon's infrastructure (s3 and ec2), the rest is in our data centers
[20:58] <netbook> what would 'the rest' be?
[20:59] <joshuahoover> netbook: accounts management, billing, etc.
[21:00] <netbook> oh k
[21:01] <joshuahoover> netbook: did you have some concerns?
[21:03] <netbook> no, I will not be using the upgraded accounts
[21:03] <netbook> I was curious about how the cloud was formed
[21:03] <netbook> I thought it was being run by ubuntu servers
[21:03] <netbook> no amazon
[21:03] <netbook> *not
[21:03] <joshuahoover> netbook: ok
[22:08] <psypher246> hello, i there anyone who can assist witha connction problem
[22:13] <verterok> psypher246: hi, I can try, shoot :)
[22:13] <verterok> psypher246: what's the problem?
[22:14] <psypher246> u1 client on jaunty, was working fine few days ago, now won't connect at all
[22:14] <netbook> How does the ubuntu one team intend to pay for this service?
[22:14] <netbook> since anyone can get 2 gb
[22:14] <netbook> probably more if they make multiple accounts... maybe spread the files through them
[22:14] <verterok> psypher246: ok, sanity check questions first ;), did you changed proxy settings? are you using networkmanager?
[22:15] <psypher246> yes network manager, no proxy settings
[22:15] <psypher246> http://paste.ubuntu.com/320350/
[22:15] <psypher246> get that when i do
[22:15] <psypher246> killall ubuntuone-syncdaemon; /usr/lib/ubuntuone-client/ubuntuone-syncdaemon --debug
[22:15] <psypher246> and connect client
[22:15] <psypher246> tried removing and reinstalling from u1 site
[22:16] <verterok> psypher246: oh, did you enabled bandwidht throttling?
[22:16] <psypher246> i might have tried it yes
[22:16] <verterok> psypher246: there are two bugs already reported related to that
[22:16] <verterok> psypher246: one is fixed in the ppa
[22:16] <psypher246> it was set to 0
[22:17] <verterok> psypher246: yes, if you set it to 0 it will never upload/download anything
[22:17] <psypher246> did not set it to zero mnyself
[22:17] <psypher246> was just like that
[22:17] <verterok> psypher246: the second bug is #483592, for which there is a fix propsed
[22:17] <verterok> psypher246: hmm, weird
[22:17] <verterok> psypher246: please, stop the client, rm ~/.config/ubuntuone/syncdaemon.conf and start it again
[22:20] <psypher246> aah working now
[22:20] <psypher246> it seems
[22:20] <psypher246> downloading at least
[22:22] <psypher246> verterok: hope u can answer this for me
[22:23] <verterok> psypher246: cool
[22:24] <psypher246> i want to upload 30GB or so, but i don't want to re-download all that data to all the machines that are syncing, can i upload all the info to u1 server, ie sync once up and then copy the data over lan to each pc's u1 folder and have it all sync. when it sync it sees all the files are on all the pc's and won't sycn back down again
[22:24] <psypher246> do u get what i am saying?
[22:24] <verterok> psypher246: yes, I get it...but I don't think it's going to work :/
[22:24] <psypher246> how does the file compare works?
[22:25] <verterok> psypher246: (this is just guessing), but it's quite probable that syncdaemon is going to mark all your local files as .conflict and download the ones in the server
[22:26] <verterok> psypher246: roughly, syncdaemon keep some metadata of the downloaded files, and compares the hash of the local file with the hash in the server
[22:26] <psypher246> what if i use rsync preserviing times etc perfectly?
[22:26] <psypher246> cos thats a lot of data to download 2 twice
[22:26] <psypher246> don't have that much bandwidth on my pc at home
[22:27] <verterok> psypher246: your syncdaemon isn't going to have the metadata, so it's the same
[22:27] <psypher246> syncdaemon on the pc that need to have the data synced back to?
[22:27] <verterok> psypher246: one thing you can try, but I'm not sure it's going to work, is to backup and use the same metadata in all machines
[22:28] <psypher246> yeah where does the metadata get stored?
[22:29] <verterok> psypher246: actually, you should start syncdaemon, stop it. and then replace the metadata with the backup
[22:30] <pablo> hi
[22:30] <verterok> psypher246: ~/.local/share/ubuntuone/syncdaemon/
[22:30] <verterok> pablo: hi
[22:30] <psypher246> ok cool i will try that
[22:30] <psypher246> thanks
[22:31] <verterok> psypher246: np
[22:31] <psypher246> cool looks like my files are updating now, thanks for the other advice
[22:31] <verterok> psypher246: there is no guarantee it will work..please backup the real data ;)
[22:31] <psypher246> yeah i will :D
[22:32] <pablo> you can use one ubuntu server to synchronize notes from another application?
[22:32] <pablo> with ubuntuone server direction, port, etc
[22:32] <verterok> pablo: if the other application support syncing with ubuntu one servers, yes :)
[22:33] <verterok> pablo: basically I think the app needs to support the tomboy sync API
[22:33] <verterok> but I don't know much about the subject
[22:34] <pablo> mmm I think in mobile aplication (symbian )
[22:41] <verterok> pablo: I'm not aware of any app in symbian that support the tomboy sync API
[22:42] <verterok> pablo: but if you find one, it should work with the ubuntu one server
[22:42] <pablo> verterok: many tks
[22:43] <verterok> pablo: np


[02:14] <arraybolt3> Alright, the testing has begun. I only really have two machines over here that are up to the task (maybe three but why have two virtual machine testers?), so this isn't exactly the world's most comprehensive test suite, but it should at least help.
[02:21] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: Kinda bad news, spice-vdagent isn't working in Ubuntu Studio under GNOME Boxes, causing automatic screen resizing and file drag-n-drop to not work.
[02:21] <arraybolt3> (By "isn't working", I mean, the service seems to be stopping itself automatically for no apparent reason that I can see, and starting it has no effect on the VM's behavior.)
[02:22] <arraybolt3> Probably very low-priority and ignorable, but this didn't happen in Jammy, and it doesn't happen in Lubuntu Kinetic.
[02:23] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: I had no issue using VirtualBox (I know, ew) earlier, so you might not be able to use GNOME Boxes. So, ignorable because there's literally nothing we can do about that.
[02:23] <Eickmeyer[m]> We also have a policy: Ubuntu Studio isn't supported in virtual machines.
[02:24] <arraybolt3> Ah, then no problem.
[02:24] <arraybolt3> (I think this may affect Kubuntu also though, which may be a problem for them... *sigh*, I noticed this several days ago and then just forgot about it in the whirlwind of everything else.)
[02:30] <arraybolt3> OK, this one's actually bad. The proprietary driver installer is borked. On my laptop with Broadcom WiFi, if I choose the proprietary driver in the list, the "Apply Changes" button remains grayed out. Launching software-properties-kde in a terminal and then reproducing the issue results in the following error message (pastebin incoming):
[02:31] <arraybolt3> https://termbin.com/4h24
[02:31] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: ubuntu-bug software-properties
[02:31] <arraybolt3> Yep, on it.
[02:32] <arraybolt3> Grr... now GNOME Boxes decided to change my UEFI VM to BIOS for no apparent reason *after* the install was done.
[02:40] <arraybolt3> Bug #1993370
[02:40] -ubottu:#ubuntustudio-devel- Bug 1993370 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "Cannot install proprietary Broadcom WiFi drivers on Ubuntu Studio Kinetic" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1993370
[02:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: Sadly, I doubt we're going to see any fixes on that bug. Foundations has taken a hardline against fixing any of the Qt/KDE interface bugs.
[02:41] <arraybolt3> ...?!? Why? (Also, sad, guess we can release-note how to install the drivers from the terminal?)
[02:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> I don't know, but it's some very anti-community policy they've taken lately.
[02:42] <arraybolt3> (I mean four out of the seven Ubuntu flavors use Qt as the base - Kubuntu, Ubuntu Studio, Lubuntu, and Ubuntu Kylin.)
[02:42] <Eickmeyer[m]> Kylin's interface is a MATE fork (GTK)
[02:42] <arraybolt3> I thought for sure they said they built it on Qt...
[02:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> AFAIK, nope.
[02:43]  * arraybolt3 goes digging
[02:44] <arraybolt3> Great, looks like Kylin decided that English didn't really matter all that much anyway >.<
[02:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, there has been a lot of radio silence from the Kylin team too.
[02:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> And don't forget, there are 8 flavors now. Unity.
[02:45] <arraybolt3> Right, forgot about them.
[02:45] <arraybolt3> Wikipedia says they use both... and I guess now I know why their ISO is bigger even than Studio's.
[02:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yikes.
[02:46] <arraybolt3> *Sigh.* OK, whatever. Release note it is, we can SRU a fix in later perhaps.
[02:46] <arraybolt3> (Actually that's your call, I don't know why I said it that way, sorry)
[02:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> We can't touch software-properties. It's in main, that requires a core-dev.
[02:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'm sure Kubuntu will have the same issue.
[02:47] <arraybolt3[m]> Well then we can yell at Simon to kick it into gear maybe? I mean, surely they have to allow fixes at some point, right?
[02:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, he can do it, but getting a pull request in to fix it, since it's the Qt/KDE interface, is like pulling teeth. They don't care. Had the same problem with Ubiquity when I did the same thing. Had to practically kick and scream to get something fixed in the OEM config.
[02:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> Even though I did the PR.
[02:49] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, because we have to fix it upstream too, right?
[02:49] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, "upstream" is somewhere in Launchpad, because it's a native Ubuntu package.
[02:49]  * arraybolt3[m] throws everything I thought I knew about how this part of the process works out the window
[02:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> https://launchpad.net/software-properties
[02:52] <Eickmeyer[m]> We might be able to tell sil2100 about this when he awakes, and he might make it a priority since that does indeed affect anyone with Broadcom on Lubuntu, Kubuntu, and Studio.
[02:53] <arraybolt3[m]> *almost an entire release cycle
[02:53] <arraybolt3[m]> I get why these processes exist, but this is crazy how many different procedures and systems there are all over the place. I mean I've been here an entire release cycle and am only just now learning that modifying main packages is trickier than modifying universe packages.
[02:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> Modifying a main package is only trickier if it's a native package.
[02:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> Otherwise, just grab a core dev.
[02:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Ugh. And I still have no clue how to use Launchpad Git other than I managed to clone distrho-ports out of it once. (Speaking of which, I should start working on that copyright file again once all of this mess calms down.)
[02:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Git
[02:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> Set it up that way, and you'll be soooo glad you did.
[02:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> Then it's just a matter of git clone lp:software-properties
[02:57] <arraybolt3[m]> 'Kay. uncramps brain
[04:03] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer: Minor regression, Ctrl+Alt+T no longer pulls up a Konsole window. Going into the Shortcuts options, and adding Konsole to the list of apps, seems to fix it, and the fix persists across reboots.
[04:03] <arraybolt3[m]> Will file a bug shortly.
[04:17] <arraybolt3[m]> Bug #1993464 <-- ctrl+alt+t failure
[04:17] -ubottu:#ubuntustudio-devel- Bug 1993464 in ubuntustudio-meta (Ubuntu) "Ctrl+Alt+T no longer pulls up a Konsole window in Ubuntu Studio Kinetic" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1993464
[05:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3 @arraybolt3:matrix.org: That would technically be ubuntustudio-default-settings, but there's another problem: it's not that simple. Global shortcuts in KDE are messed-up ala the kdeglobals bug. Basically, the ctrl-alt-T was removed upstream and there's no way to put it back. Essentially, that's a "Can't Fix/Won't Fix" bug.
[05:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> But I have to go to bed now.
[05:37] <arraybolt3[m]> Ugh. And that bug is a whole entire bag of worms.
[05:37] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, ttyl! Thanks for everything!
[06:26] <RikMills> arraybolt3[m]: the shortcut exists in 'examples', but is disabled by default
[06:26] <RikMills> https://i.imgur.com/zjnanM4.png
[14:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: WRT bug 1993370, apparently it was fixed in the GTK frontend but was missed in the Qt frontend, and it's the same function, so they're fixing it.
[14:41] -ubottu:#ubuntustudio-devel- Bug 1993370 in software-properties (Ubuntu) "Cannot install proprietary Broadcom WiFi drivers on Ubuntu Studio Kinetic" [High, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1993370
[14:51] <Eickmeyer> Bridge is acting weird this morning. Ugh...
[14:51] <Eickmeyer> ubottu got ignored.
[15:59] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: WRT PW, PW settings (config) can be set in /usr/share/pipewire/ (I think the PW package over writes this) in /etc/pipewire/ or in ~/.config/pipewire/. Where should studio-controls write settings to?
[16:00] <OvenWerks> I would think ~/.config would make the most sense except if removing controls
[16:01]  * Eickmeyer[m] thinking....
[16:01] <OvenWerks> When removing a package those files would not be removed
[16:01] <OvenWerks> (same problem as cadence)
[16:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> I guess it depends on what kind of settings we're writing.
[16:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> If they're benign, aka not disabling PW altogether, then ~/.config makes sense.
[16:02] <OvenWerks> There are some settings that can be done on the fly which would be best to do there.
[16:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> But the other one is system-wide.
[16:02] <OvenWerks> yes
[16:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> Which affects everyone
[16:03] <OvenWerks> We have always assumed that for work station we are dealing with a one user machine
[16:04] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I could add a button: reset to system default
[16:04] <Eickmeyer[m]> If removing -controls, the d/postrm script could, theoretically, go through /home/*/.config and undo configs, but that's intrusive and messy.
[16:04] <Eickmeyer> Bridge is being dumb.
[16:04] <Eickmeyer> I missed most everything you were saying.
[16:04] <OvenWerks> this could remove all ~/.config for the one user
[16:05] <Eickmeyer> That might be a solution.
[16:06] <OvenWerks> It is not quite as bad as cadence as all files would be in one place.
[16:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> True.
[16:10] <OvenWerks> The main things that need setting in a file would be device names I think. The PW long and short names that it creates by default are not very nice.
[16:10] <Eickmeyer> I imagine they read like MD5sums.
[16:11] <OvenWerks> They all use spaces which is a pain for cli commands which is so far a lot of how controls works.
[16:12] <Eickmeyer> Ooof, gotta escape it.
[16:12] <OvenWerks> However, midi port names have always had this problem anyway.
[16:14] <OvenWerks> PW has, since I last looked, added a command to set a default device to show up as system:* so that is nice.
[16:15] <Eickmeyer> Oh, that's excellent.
[16:19] <OvenWerks> The biggest annoyance for me has been the extremely messy jack graph PW creates. It would be nice to be able to hide devices or other ports we don't want to see
[16:20] <Eickmeyer> FYI, for LL I have Patchance ready for upload, we can replace Carla's button with Patchance as it's an excellent stand-alone patchbay.
[16:20] <OvenWerks> for example, make some nice virtual devices (with nice names as this may be the only way to customise device names) and hide the origianl device
[16:23] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: that would work for ubuntu for sure not sure outside. but we have them ask the user to install if not present. On start up instead of just looking for one application for the button we could: look for them in a certain order Patchance, catia or Carla and name the button with which ever comes up first.
[16:24] <Eickmeyer> Sure, that could work.
[16:24] <OvenWerks> (or make a drop down with all found)
[16:26] <OvenWerks> catia still has no release outside of cadence which has been released in 2022
[16:28] <OvenWerks> anyway, if Patchance gets into backports, I will add it. Carla is way too heavy for our use.
[16:28] <Eickmeyer> Right.
[16:29] <Eickmeyer> I'll get it into backports. That won't be a problem.
[16:29] <OvenWerks> well, at least in controls, it is still useful to include
[16:30]  * OvenWerks is going to vanish for a minute
[16:32] <Eickmeyer> wb
[16:33] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: back, so let me know when patchance is available
[16:34] <OvenWerks> (server hadn't been restarted in a while and may have been running on libs/kernel that have been removed :)
[16:34] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Will do. I need LL to open first, but Kinetic's release is tomorrow, so it'll be a week or two. And then I'll be in Prague with everyone else 4th - 10th, so probably not much movement then.
[16:34] <OvenWerks> right
[16:35] <OvenWerks> they offered me the trip to Prague as well
[16:35] <OvenWerks> I had to turn it down, too much happening here
[16:36] <Eickmeyer> I figured that's what happened. I'll be telling a bit of your story of involvement as part of my talk.
[16:37] <Eickmeyer> It was my suggestion to offer it to you. You were my #1 pick. :)
[16:48] <OvenWerks> I might not have much nice things to say :P
[16:49] <OvenWerks> I feel much of the reason for choosing Linux has been lost to gnome-itis, and lib changes with no backwards compatability
[16:51] <OvenWerks> gnomes messing with the window title bar is one of the worst things I have seen in software. Gnome's (and others) missuse of systemd has not helped either.
[16:56] <Eickmeyer> I see. Well, that's all valuable, and worthy of discussion. Believe me, the Ubuntu Desktop team understands a lot of this, which is why they don't stick with the Gnome defaults and add the dock, system tray, maximize/minimize buttons, etc. But yeah, I get it.
[16:57] <Eickmeyer> But anyhow, Mark wants to re-focus on community, which is why it's no longer the Ubuntu *Developer* Summit.
[16:59] <Eickmeyer> And I, and others, want to see the flavors working not as individual distributions, but as teams within the larger community.
[17:01] <OvenWerks> I do understand that much of where the linux world is going is based on commercial interests, redhat in particular. And all that trickles to the rest of the linux world. I do know that the new X replacement is going to happen. X is not being developed any more though I wonder if that is because of its replacement. I like being able to SSH -X and run single windows.
[17:02] <Eickmeyer> That's not going away. You can still run an X server within Wayland.
[17:04] <OvenWerks> And of course as a developer, I would like to send time improving my sw rather than catching it up to libs that have changed elsewhere :)
[17:06] <Eickmeyer> I hear that. Being proactive rather than reactive is nice. And yes, it is hard to catch deprecation warnings in compilers and term outputs, which I understand is supposed to be the way to do things, but there's no guarantee the supposed correct way to do it won't change last minute.
[17:07] <OvenWerks> I like the way c++ works. There is a compiler switch that allows c++99 still
[17:08] <Eickmeyer> In my work with Kubuntu Focus, we actually made a GCC compiler changer utility that changes the default C compiler version depending on what one's needs are.
[17:54] <arraybolt3> Eickmeyer: Should I be expecting a new Studio ISO today with the bug fix for the driver installer?
[17:55] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: It'd also have to respin Kubuntu and Lubuntu as well since it's seeded there as well.
[17:56] <Eickmeyer> Those are undoubtedly affected.


[08:25] <czajkowski> morning
[10:32] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:16]  * akgraner yawns with one eye open a very sleepy good morning as well :-)
[12:31] <duanedesign> good morning akgraner
[12:33] <akgraner> duanedesign, thanks you too!
[12:34] <akgraner> I wish there was a script I could run and my laundry would magically be finished
[12:35] <duanedesign> yeah,  sudo apt-get wash laundry   isnt as effective as one would like
[12:36] <duanedesign> i saw my application got mentioned in the UWN.I was very proud :)
[12:52] <akgraner> :-)
[12:53] <akgraner> duanedesign, which application (sorry I don't remember off the top of my head)
[12:54] <akgraner> of course I can't remember where my keys are half the time either right now
[13:01] <duanedesign> akgraner: yes if it was not for Tomboy Notes would forget everything
[13:01] <duanedesign> akgraner, the application was CLI Companion.
[13:02] <akgraner> ahh ok - I read about so many things that I don't always put applications and IRC nicks/names together right a way - clue bat often needed
[13:06] <duanedesign> akgraner: i can imagine
[18:20] <sense> good evening
[18:25] <highvoltage> howdy sense
[18:26] <sense> hi highvoltage
[18:27] <doctormo> duanedesign: ping
[18:27] <nigelb> hola sense, highvoltage, doctormo :)
[18:27] <sense> hello nigelb!
[18:28] <highvoltage> hola nigelb :)
[18:28] <nigelb> sense: its been long since I've seen you around, busy times?
[18:28] <doctormo> hey nigelb highvoltage and sense
[18:29] <sense> hi doctormo
[18:29] <sense> nigelb: We're moving to a different town and I'm in the start of a new school year. I haven't been very motivated lately as well.
[18:29]  * nigelb hugs sense :)
[18:30] <sense> Our new house really is below sea level! :P There is even a bit of water in the space underneath the floor.
[18:30] <nigelb> wow
[18:31] <sense> That's just groundwater, though. :)
[18:31] <sense> The biggest problem of living in a low country.
[18:38] <duanedesign> hello doctormo
[18:38] <duanedesign> and friends
[18:42] <doctormo> duanedesign: We need to compare notes
[18:42] <duanedesign> duanedesign: sure thing
[18:55] <highvoltage> sense: I think lack of motivation is a natural part of the motivation cycle. I've been feeling demotivated about some things for a while, and the last week I've just suddently had this new burst of energy and just been doing things and it feels great
[18:55] <sense> highvoltage: yeah, true
[18:55] <sense> The upcoming UDS will probably help too. :)
[18:56] <highvoltage> *nod*
[18:56] <highvoltage> I just have the feeling that this uds is going to be a particularly good one
[18:56] <sense> Any UDS is a good one!
[18:57] <highvoltage> true :)
[18:59] <nigelb> highvoltage: I have that feeling too :)
[18:59] <nigelb> sense: Oh, totally agree.
[18:59] <nigelb> Put 300 geeks in a room, what more do you expect other than awesomeness :)
[18:59] <sense> a crashed network
[18:59] <nigelb> hahhaha, good one
[19:00] <nigelb> I think IS is used to it now.
[19:00] <sense> 'Oh no! You really don't need to bring your own network! We've been providing internet to 300 business men without problems'
[19:00] <sense> ahem
[19:00] <nigelb> Right.
[19:00] <nigelb> I heard that the lobby could take our load at all during UDS-M
[19:00] <sense> The school in The Hague where GUADEC 2010 was, didn't even put their firewall off, so it started to kill our traffic randomly.
[19:00] <nigelb> lol
[19:01] <sense> nigelb: Lobby not, that wasn't our network. The rest worked mostly fine.
[19:01] <nigelb> sense: no wonder it crashed.
[19:01] <sense> nigelb: If I'm correct the firewall used at the GUADEC 2010 venue is the worst nightmare of a sysadmin. The kind of software that makes people actually quit.
[19:02] <nigelb> sense: ouch
[19:02] <sense> but the only guy authorised to mangle with the firewall went on holiday the week before the conference.
[19:02] <sense> No one had ever thought that he might be needed...
[19:02] <nigelb> so, lemme guess, it got mangled?
[19:02] <sense> So we ended up using VPNs and Google DNS.
[19:03] <sense> nigelb: The firewall was set up to believe all the attendending internet-addicts were one client, and it thought that client had gone berserk.
[19:03] <sense> It only killed our DNS requests, though.
[19:03] <sense> I think...
[19:04] <nigelb> In that case, google dns ftw :)
[19:04] <duanedesign> lol
[19:04] <doctormo> highvoltage: The weather, I felt it too
[19:04] <sense> And we had expected so many great things! The venue was connected to the Dutch ISP for academic institutions, so it should be a 30 Gbit connection!
[19:05] <nigelb> lol
[19:05] <highvoltage> doctormo: the weather?
[19:06] <doctormo> highvoltage: Not as hot, earth spin, sun spots, I don't know. Something about the summer just made it boring and unproductive.
[19:08] <highvoltage> doctormo: heh, I came to Canada just as summer started here, so coming from the Southern hemisphere, I had a full year of summer :)
[19:09] <nigelb> highvoltage: lucky guy
[19:10] <nigelb> but then you have a year of winter to look forward to :p
[19:10] <highvoltage> a year? how so? I guess having winter in canada will totally make up for it :)
[19:10] <nigelb> exactly
[20:47] <nigelb> highvoltage: heh, town hall for meetings.  good one :)
[20:47]  * nigelb goes to bed for real.
[20:55] <duanedesign> cya nigelb
[20:56] <highvoltage> 'night nigelb
[22:33] <AlanBell> http://ubingo.libertus.co.uk/
[22:35] <cjohnston> lol
[22:42] <AlanBell> do feel free to suggest additional words
[22:43]  * cjohnston thinks that s/jono/mr. metal
[22:43] <cjohnston> and then put mr. metal on it
[22:43] <AlanBell> Bacon is in the list
[22:44] <AlanBell> has to be words that could plausibly come up
[23:10] <doctormo> heh drinking game, did you do it AlanBell?
[23:11] <AlanBell> yup
[23:12] <AlanBell> tonights little coding project


[00:13] <cook> anyone know of any signup issues? i signed up and it says it sent the email with the code but i received a forgot pasword email instead, without a code
[00:13] <wgrant> cook: That means you already have an account. Follow the instructions in the email to the password reset form.
[00:14] <cook> hmm...alright. wonder when i created that lol
[00:14] <cook> thanks
[04:07] <jasono>  Hi. I just created a Launchpad Google Chrom Web App but need to verify Launchpad in the App. Can someone please help me?
[04:10] <jasono> Is anyone here?
[04:10] <jasono> *Is anyon active?
[04:10] <jasono> e
[04:15] <wgrant> jasono: What do you mean by "verify"?
[04:15] <wgrant> (most of the Launchpad team, including me, are preparing to fly to Dallas tomorrow, so don't be too surprised if responses do not appear)
[04:16] <jasono> Oh sorry.
[04:16] <jasono> wgrant I need launchpad.net to work with the App
[04:16] <jasono> It needs to be trusted/verified first
[04:17] <jasono> wgrant I can do it via html, DNS, Google analytics....
[04:17] <jasono> Can you please help me wgrant?
[04:20] <wgrant> The requirement for verification sounds awkward and of dubious utility.
[04:21] <wgrant> I wonder why they mandate it.
[04:21] <jasono> I don't know.
[04:22] <jasono> So you can't do it for me wgrant? I can give you the html to put on the header of the site or....?
[04:38] <cody-somerville> jasono, You should send your request via e-mail to launchpad developer mailing list.
 How long will it take to be approved?
[04:39] <wgrant> We've not had this sort of request before.
[04:41] <cody-somerville> jasono, I have no idea. I'm not even sure what you're trying to really do at this point. However, from my experience with Google apps usually adding an html snippet or DNS entry is used to verify that you're the owner of a website and if thats the case then your request is almost certainly guaranteed to be denied.
[04:41] <cody-somerville> jasono, So I suggest you write an e-mail with all the details so that it can properly be considered and investigated.
[04:41] <jasono> ALright, thank you.
[04:42] <cody-somerville> jasono, Is there a URL you can give me that'll provide me with more information about what you're looking to do? I'm curious.
[04:43] <jasono> Just this:
[04:43] <jasono> This hosted webapp specifies one or more app urls that are not matched by sites you own. Before you can publish this app, you must verify ownership of sites to match all of the app urls listed below.
[04:43] <jasono> For extents of the form *://example.com, you must own http://example.com and https://example.com or have verified ownership of example.com at the domain level.
[04:43] <jasono> Unmatched app urls:
[04:43] <jasono> *://launchpad.net/
[04:43] <jasono> *://www.launchpad.net/
[04:43] <jasono> To verify your ownership of these websites, add the necessary websites using Google Webmaster Tools and return here to complete this step.
[04:43] <jasono> What you said.
[04:46] <cody-somerville> jasono, It sounds like you'll want to ask the launchpad developers to do what you're doing for you.
[04:46] <jasono> okey thanks
[11:48] <yofel> anyone an Idea what happened here? https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/+recipe/project-neon-kdemultimedia/+build/15249 "Failed to build" without any other information isn't really helpful..
[11:56] <wgrant> yofel: The logs show it being picked up from the builder after completion, but then nothing. It seems to have lost track of the build.
[11:56] <wgrant> yofel: I'd advise requesting a fresh build.
[11:57] <yofel> ok
[11:57] <wgrant> I've seen a couple of builds that met a similar fate. I will investigate next week.
[11:59] <shadeslayer> any ideas how to make a CIA bot read commits from a series of LP bzr branches?
[12:00] <tsimpson> the only thing I've found for CIA and bzr is a commit hook, but that's only for when _you_ commit to a branch
[12:00] <shadeslayer> yeah
[12:01] <shadeslayer> thats all i could find as well
[12:02] <tsimpson> I don't think CIA can read bar repos, only subversion
[12:02] <medthomas> Any lanuchpad aminds about? The code import machines are periodically hammering the ASF's svn servers and are going to get blocked unless the traffic drops to a more reasonable rate
[12:02] <tsimpson> looking at the site, the options are sourceforge, client script, or subversion
[12:03] <medthomas> s/aminds/admins/
[12:09] <yofel> there's https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/342729 for this from what I see
[12:57] <shadeslayer> is it possible that when i type : bzr branch neon:foobar : bzr branches from lp:~neon/kdebindings/kross-ubuntu
[12:57] <shadeslayer> err
[12:57] <shadeslayer> s/kross-ubuntu/foobar
[12:57] <shadeslayer> or rather from lp:~neon/foobar
[13:08] <geser> wgrant: do you have an idea why "gourd" and "hubbard" (armel buildds) don't get a job dispatched for some time now? the armel queue is big and 25% of the buildds are idling
[13:26] <wgrant> geser: They're stuck trying to abort an earlier build.
[13:26] <wgrant> I've pinged about it already.
[21:49] <jjardon> Hello, is this the correct channel to request a change in a project hosted in launchpad?
[21:49] <jjardon> I'd like to change the code import from git://git.gnome.org/glade3 to git://git.gnome.org/glade in glade project
[21:50] <jjardon> but git://git.gnome.org/glade is already taken by the old glade2 project
[21:50] <jjardon> https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/glade-2.old/master
[22:08] <jelmer> jjardon: hi
[22:08] <jelmer> jjardon: can you add imports for the new locations?
[22:08] <jelmer> jjardon: afterwards, please file questions in the launchpad project to have the default branch for those projects changed
[22:09] <jjardon> jelmer, hey, no I cant because git://git.gnome.org/glade is already taken by the old glade2 project
[22:11] <jelmer> jjardon: I've deleted the old branch
[22:12] <vadi2> Does anyone recall a website url that searched launchpad ppa's? (launchpads own feature is... hard to work with. Can't tell whenever a ppa has the latest version of the software you're looking for or not)
[22:17] <jelmer> vadi2: hi
[22:17] <jelmer> vadi2: not sure
[22:18] <jelmer> jjardon: different versions of glade reallyt shouldn't be different projects
[22:19] <jelmer> jjardon: they should really be different series in the same project
[22:20] <jjardon> jelmer, yeah. The proble is that glade2 and glade3 are really two different projects
[22:20] <jjardon> now only glade3 exist, so all is moved to glade
[22:21] <jelmer> jjardon: different in what sense? They have differnt upstream developers and are both still developed?
[22:21] <jjardon> yeah, different developers and code base
[22:22] <jelmer> ah, ok
[22:22] <jelmer> I didn't realize that - please forget my comment :-)
[22:22] <jjardon> glade2 is currently death. It's not even packaged by distributions
[22:24] <jjardon> jelmer, not problem ;)
[22:24] <jjardon> jelmer, Should I ask a question against what project to get the default branch changed?
[22:25] <jelmer> jjardon: ask a question against the launchpad project
[22:25] <jjardon> I already make the resquest: https://code.launchpad.net/~jjardon/glade-3/trunk
[22:25] <jjardon> jelmer, ok, thanks!


[04:00] <vorlon> cjwatson: ack, have changed the override now for disco
[10:04] <seb128> rbasak, hey, it would be nice if you could review the alsa-lib/cosmic SRU, it's a follow up to fix the previous one failing to build due to a stupid mistake
[14:18] <rbasak> seb128: I'm done for the year now sorry
[14:19] <seb128> rbasak, no worry, stop looking at IRC and enjoy the holidays :)
[14:20] <seb128> bdmurray, hey, could you review the alsa-lib SRU in cosmic uploaded earlier, it fixes a build issue with the update accepted yesterday (also there is a similar upload to bionic queue now if you have slot to review that one as well)
[14:20] <rbasak> :)
[14:44] <seb128> doko, hey, I guess you sav that the valgrind autopkgtests are still unhappy with the new upload?
[15:17] <bdmurray> seb128: sure
[15:17] <seb128> bdmurray, thanks!
[16:13] <seb128> bdmurray, thx
[16:14] <bdmurray> seb128: no problem
[18:04] <cjwatson> vorlon: ta
[20:52] <mwhudson> seb128: hey
[20:53] <mwhudson> seb128: did you see https://code.launchpad.net/~mwhudson/ubuntu-archive-scripts/team-report-yaml/+merge/361112, i have a note somewhere to make sure that you check this
[21:04] <seb128> mwhudson, hey, thanks for the ping, I hadn't see it before and yes it's me/desktop who asked for it, I try to have a look tomorrow/before holidays to comment on the format
[21:04] <mwhudson> seb128: thanks
[21:05] <mwhudson> seb128: very little thinking has gone into the format so far so feel free to request anything at all that will help
[21:05] <seb128> mwhudson, ok, thanks, same here in fact. We want to include the desktop items in our reporting tool but we didn't look at writing that code yet
[21:06] <seb128> looks like we should be able to get what we need from what is outputed though
[21:07] <seb128> it's over work hours here but I look a bit more at the details tomorrow and I will comment on the mp
[21:07] <seb128> thanks mwhudson!
[21:07] <mwhudson> yeah fair enough


[00:09] <lindol> good morning :)
[00:13] <allenskd> hello :)
[00:18] <lindol> allenskd, thank you :)
[00:18] <lindol> are you testing now?
[00:32] <allenskd> lindol, I'm new and I haven't properly introduced myself here haha :)
[00:33] <allenskd> name's david, nice to meet you all I hope once I get a good grasp of bazaar and launchpad _and_ how things work in the cycle I'll be more helpful :)
[00:33] <allenskd> for now I'm just test driving things, checking the little details
[01:28] <lindol> allenskd, :)
[01:28] <lindol> allenskd, nice to meet you, i am juyeon Park
[01:28] <lindol> I am living in Korea (south of Korea)
[01:29] <lindol> so i am trying to test for VV Daily build :)
[01:39] <lindol> what should i try to test for version?
[01:39] <lindol> VV Daily builld is right?
[01:44] <allenskd> yea, I downloaded today's one but haven't had the time to test anything. I'll probably get a better chance tomorrow haha, internet is acting up (downloading at half-speed) so things like testing in real hardware (like a netbook I have around here) will be done tomorrow
[01:45] <lindol> I think beta2 is archived aready..
[01:45] <lindol> um..
[01:45] <lindol> allenskd, see again ;)
[11:32] <ruchir> :)
[11:34] <allenskd> :o)
[11:34] <ruchir> hi
[11:57] <JohannGralog> Hello. I messed up my previous Linux install, so I wanted to givre this a try. I wanted to do a liveboot first so I can backup some remaining files. But the bootable USB just drops me in the terminal, no graphical environment. Is there any way I can have a graphical liveboot like in the past on Ubuntu?
[11:58] <JohannGralog> I'm using Unetbootin because it was recommended.
[11:59] <ruchir> I'm totally new to linux, but with ubuntu gnome, it never had this issue
[11:59] <ruchir> downloaded the iso, used pendrivelinux on windows to write the iso file to USB drive and make it bootable. not sure
[12:00] <ruchir> how to do this in linux
[12:00] <JohannGralog> Well, I already have the USB drive
[12:00] <JohannGralog> but the menu is totally different than what I remember
[12:00] <JohannGralog> I get the option to try ubuntu gnome without installing twice
[12:00] <JohannGralog> but neither gives me a graphical environment
[12:01] <ruchir> which iso are you trying? 14.10?
[12:01] <JohannGralog> Yeah
[12:01] <ruchir> strange. the installer worked just fine for me.
[12:02] <JohannGralog> I borrowed another person's PC to download the iso and burn it, so I'd rather not do everything again
[12:02] <ruchir> I know this sounds stupid, but do you have access to any windows pc around?
[12:03] <ruchir> maybe its about how differently pendrivelinux and your software manages to write distro and make USB drive bootable?
[12:03] <JohannGralog> Kinda, yeah. I'm currently on my chromebook laptop, and I can use this other person's Windows if needed
[12:03] <JohannGralog> I guess
[12:03] <JohannGralog> This thing has added its own menu for some reason
[12:04] <ruchir> I'd recommend downloading the 14.10 iso again
[12:04] <ruchir> and using pendrivelinux on windows machine to create a bootable USB
[12:04] <JohannGralog> I still have the download on that pc
[12:04] <JohannGralog> But I don't understand why the download page said
[12:04] <JohannGralog> "using UNetbootin is highly recommended."
[12:05] <ruchir> I had another laptop running windows so I used universal USB installer from pendrivelinux.com
[12:05] <ruchir> to write iso
[12:05] <ruchir> try that
[12:07] <JohannGralog> Not sure if I can convince him again.
[12:08] <ruchir> you are connected at the moment from chrombook right now?
[12:14] <JohannGralog> ok, running that installer now
[12:14] <JohannGralog> no Gnome edition in the list
[12:14] <JohannGralog> so I picked regular Ubuntu
[12:14] <JohannGralog> Oh, you're gone
[12:23] <JohannGralog> Someone here?
[12:23] <JohannGralog> It seems Unetbootin wasn't at fault
[12:23] <JohannGralog> Seems to have been an error
[12:23] <JohannGralog> Something about a HSM violation?
[13:08] <ruchir_> hi
[16:11] <viGtor_> Hi! I'm getting bluetooth enabled at startup and i cant disable it but at startup it is enabled again, any suggestion?


[16:49] <Ekushey> Hello Kilos
[16:49] <Kilos> hi Ekushey
[16:49] <Ekushey> Do you know which team takes care of<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[16:49] <Kilos> now we hope nz can carry the flag
[16:50] <Kilos> whats the prob there?
[16:50] <Ekushey> Bangladesh is out so I'm not longer watcing the game :(
[16:50]  * Ekushey is sad
[16:50] <Kilos> no man
[16:50] <Ekushey> Well I emailed them over a month ago, no responce, again 2 days ago, no responce
[16:50] <Kilos> you must watch and support those that are against those you dont like
[16:51] <Kilos> ask in #ubuntu-locoteams
[16:51] <Ekushey> I'm not sure if there is a new ticketing system or not... earlier<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is where you write to regading loco-team website related issues
[16:51] <Kilos> all the big boys are there
[16:51] <Ekushey> OK will ask there...
[16:51] <Kilos> or even in #ubuntu-meeting
[16:52] <Ekushey> I didn't expect Bangladesh team to do so bad
[16:52] <Kilos> shocking things happen in sport
[16:53] <Ekushey> And our cricket council president got really mad... he said one player has 12 mobile phones and 80 girlfriends so he has no interest in playing :P
[16:53] <Ekushey> Hahaha
[16:53] <Ekushey> People are bashing him for this statement now
[16:53] <Kilos> hahahaha
[16:53] <Kilos> thats so funny
[16:54] <Ekushey> Yes :P
[16:54] <Kilos> but its right
[16:54] <Kilos> you cant do anything well when you have women on the brain
[16:55] <Ekushey> By the way, there was ubuntu-eu team once, what happend to them?
[16:55] <Ekushey> There channel is no longer registered and website is gone too
[16:55] <Ekushey> Yes true ;)
[16:56] <Kilos> eu for europe?
[16:56] <Ekushey> Yup
[16:57] <Ekushey> I guess they are no longer operational
[16:57] <Kilos> i think they have split into separate country teams
[16:57] <Kilos> i know france is going strong
[16:57] <Kilos> and the uk
[16:58] <Ekushey> We have an event on April 7th, will have to update the loco portal
[16:58] <Ekushey> We haven't posted anything there for a long time
[16:58] <Kilos> keep records of all events
[16:58] <Ekushey> Can we add old events there?
[16:59] <Kilos> i suppose so
[16:59] <Ekushey> That's good, will do that
[16:59] <Kilos> its been long since verified
[17:00] <Kilos> so all events will show you were still active
[17:00] <Ekushey> Will go for re-verifications. I talked to other admins and we're supposed to sit for a meeting this week.
[17:00] <Kilos> ok
[17:01] <Kilos> i have to go eat
[17:01] <Kilos> wbb
[17:01] <Ekushey> Sure, me too!


[06:29] <moza> Hello. I have updated to 16.04 and couldn't migrate. I have imported my /home backup after the new install, and am now looking to create the same look and feel i had before. I managed to get the top and bottom bar with gnome classic and some extensions, but they are the wrong color (white instead of black background). I found a theme that mitigates this a bit (adds a shade over them). This isn't ideal. The top bars of each window are
[06:29] <moza> still white too. Is there anything that I could look into to get the dark background overall?
[06:57] <mgedmin> maybe you want the dark theme switch in gnome-tweak-tool?


[08:22] <micahg> hi chrisccoulson
[08:22] <chrisccoulson> hi
[08:23] <micahg> k, so, I guess I wasn't aware of what makes alpha1, bad, so yeah, it doesn't need to be fixed
[08:23] <micahg> however, we do need to fix it before we upload Firefox 5 to natty
[08:25] <chrisccoulson> micahg, testpilot will be disabled automatically then
[08:26] <micahg> ok, then I guess there's not a problem :), do you think it's worth release noting?
[09:15] <chrisccoulson> micahg, actually, that bug isn't fixed in newer NSS versions. i just didn't notice it because that root is stored in my NSS DB
[09:15] <chrisccoulson> which means it worked at some point
[09:15] <chrisccoulson> it's more likely a problem with the issuer
[09:26] <fta> jdstrand, hi. http://paste.ubuntu.com/615675/ (oneiric)
[11:23] <Fudge> anyone here work on firefox orca accessibility
[11:24] <chrisccoulson> Fudge, not that i'm aware of
[11:25] <chrisccoulson> that doesn't mean there isn't someone lurking who does work on it though ;)
[11:25] <Fudge> chrisccoulson  its really frustraiting, for such a long time orca is so damn slow usign ff, since 3.5 i come into usign it all the time. yet on windows it works fine with windows screen readers
[11:26] <Fudge> guess i'd like to appeal or understand why things arent working faster and being improoved for blind people who use orca
[11:41] <fta> chrisccoulson, hi, should I forget about breakpad for chromium? or is there a chance it works on oneiric?
[11:42] <chrisccoulson> fta - i'd like to get it working, i've just been pretty busy with other stuff recently
[11:43] <fta> ok
[14:00] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: hey - coming to #thunderbird-untiy?
[14:00] <m_conley> er
[14:00] <m_conley> unity?
[14:01] <chrisccoulson> m_conley, is that now?
[14:01] <m_conley> chrisccoulson: it is indeed!
[14:38] <TSF> hi there
[14:40] <TSF> Is there a way to disallow the deletion of  messages on the server with thunderbird in IMAP ?
[14:40] <TSF> So messages are only deleted in the thunderbird mail folder ?
[15:20] <jdstrand> fta: ack
[16:09] <bhearsum> chrisccoulson: do you guys have a record of buildids for ubuntu Firefox's?
[16:09] <bhearsum> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=659854 is trying to figure out where<PHONE_NUMBER>0446 came from, and the extensions in the crash report indicate that it might be an ubuntu build
[16:09] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 659854 in Breakpad Integration "[5] missing call frame info in several Linux crash reports" [Normal,New: ]
[16:11] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, i don't,but i can check if that's one of our builds. might take me a little while though
[16:12] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, actually, i haven't pushed any symbols for our beta builds
[16:12] <bhearsum> no worries
[16:12] <chrisccoulson> so, it's quite possibly one of ours
[16:12] <bhearsum> ah
[16:12] <bhearsum> do you guys have access to upload to our symbol server?
[16:12] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, i do. i'm a bit concerned about eating space though ;)
[16:12] <bhearsum> oh, cool
[16:12] <bhearsum> heh
[16:12] <bhearsum> i don't think you can approach the amount of usage we have ;)
[16:13] <chrisccoulson> we have a build for each ubuntu version, and the symbols are quite big
[16:13] <chrisccoulson> that's ok then, i'll tell my bot to upload those symbols now
[16:13] <bhearsum> how often?
[16:13] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, it uploads them every time there's a new build
[16:13] <bhearsum> oh, so daily-ish?
[16:14] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, for the daily builds, yeah. but we only push symbols for the most recent ubuntu version for the dailies (and we turn off the crash reporter entirely for the others)
[16:14] <bhearsum> ahhh, ok
[16:14] <chrisccoulson> but i just totally forgot to push the beta symbols ;)
[16:14] <bhearsum> i wouldn't be too shy about uploading symbols for betas, fwiw, they're really important to us
[16:15] <bhearsum> someone will hunt you down if it becomes a problem :)
[16:18] <micahg> chrisccoulson: re cert failure> I think it's worth opening a bug if it's still an issue in newer builds, for some reason, I don't have the issue in my migrated profile
[16:18] <chrisccoulson> micahg, you will have it if you delete your cert8.db
[16:19] <micahg> ah, ok, I was able to reproduce in a clean profile nonetheless
[16:19] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, do you know who is reponsible for looking after testpilot.mozillalabs.com?
[16:19] <chrisccoulson> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=661107 seems to be hitting quite a few of our beta users
[16:19] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 661107 in Test Pilot "No issuer chain provided from SSL cert for testpilot.mozillalabs.com" [Normal,New: ]
[16:20] <bhearsum> chrisccoulson: yeah, hang on
[16:22] <bhearsum> chrisccoulson: Jonathan Xie or Jinghua Zhang is probably who you need to talk to
[16:22] <bhearsum> i just cc'ed them, and IT guy to the bug
[16:22] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, cool, thanks
[16:22] <bhearsum> np
[16:23] <chrisccoulson> right, beta symbols uploading. this could take a while :)
[16:23] <bhearsum> :)
[16:24] <bhearsum> thanks, by the way!
[16:35] <chrisccoulson> bhearsum, they're all uploaded now
[16:36] <bhearsum> ok, great!
[17:35] <chrisccoulson> ooh, hideous: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/thunderbird/thunderbird-beta.head/revision/280
[19:06] <fta> micahg, in case you're not following my commits, i've added a keep-alive mechanism in the chromium daily builds, it should also prevent the arm timeouts you experienced in the past
[19:18] <micahg> fta: cool, thanks, I have a meeting with wgrant later to discuss chromium on arm
[22:40] <fta> chrisccoulson, hideous indeed, esp the cat file | grep ;)
[22:43] <fta> i wonder if i could use this DEB_DH_GENCONTROL_ARGS to use ld-gold only when i want to...
[22:44] <fta> hm, apparently not
[22:46] <micahg> fta: no, build deps have to be determined at upload time
[22:47] <fta> yep, i knew it has been like that for ages, but maybe it changed recently. apparently not
[22:49] <micahg> they can be dynamic so that from the same source, control.in generates one thing for a lucid upload and another for a natty upload


[10:16] <mardy> t1mp: hi! I tested https://code.launchpad.net/~tpeeters/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/refreshMargin/+merge/294436 and it looks brilliant :-)
[10:17] <t1mp> mardy: Great, thanks for testing!
[10:17] <t1mp> zsombi: ^I updated the imports
[11:57] <mhall119> bzoltan: hey, where can I get my hands on that Ubuntu SDK click package?
[11:57] <mhall119> I'd like to do a bit of development from within Unity 8
[11:59] <bzoltan> mhall119: http://people.canonical.com/~bzoltan/com.ubuntu.sdk_26_armhf.click it is not really good.. it is more like a tasting of what it will look like. We need the LXD builder in place .. next week
[12:00] <mhall119> thanks bzoltan
[12:02] <mhall119> wow, 370MB
[12:04] <bzoltan> mhall119:  small, right?
[12:07] <mhall119> yeah....I think I may wait on that afterall :)
[13:12] <bzoltan> mhall119:  the problem with this release is that the toolchain does not work from click package. It will be a big magic to get the LXD containers work too.
[14:33] <dobey> how the heck does one do tabs with custom page headeers in uitk 1.3?
[14:41] <dobey> ah, much hackiness
[16:53] <tim241> hi guys I created a script to run visual basic on linux how can I upload that script to the linux server that if I do sudo apt-get install visual-basic-2008 it will start and download my script
[16:59] <BrAsS_mOnKeY> screen -list
[16:59] <BrAsS_mOnKeY> sorry
[17:14] <tim241> I tried to build my first .deb program but I get an error while installing: http://pastebin.com/SvTH2USE
[17:17] <tim241> I tried to build my first .deb program but I get an error while installing: http://pastebin.com/SvTH2USE
[17:19] <tim241> appdevs I tried to build my first .deb program but I get an error while installing: http://pastebin.com/SvTH2USE
[17:26] <dobey> !patience | tim241
[17:28] <tim241> ok
[22:57] <ahoneybun> popey: got ahayzen's info?
[22:58] <ahoneybun> wanted to send a happy birthday
[23:05] <mhall119> ahoneybun: he's in Austin with me, may not have IRC, try Telegram
[23:05] <ahoneybun> oh snap
[23:05] <ahoneybun> had no idea he was in the states
[23:05]  * ahoneybun does not remember him telling me
[23:05] <ahoneybun> what telegram?
[23:06] <ahoneybun> oh ops
[23:30] <popey> ahoneybun: wassup?