[00:10] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> Is Sumsung Galaxy compatable with UT?
 @Vlad Mirson [Is Sumsung Galaxy compatable with UT?], Please see the supported devices in the group description
[00:12] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> I saw this list.
 @Vlad Mirson [Is Sumsung Galaxy compatable with UT?], Well officially it is not compatible, but there are a couple ports for various galaxy devices in varying stages
 @Vlad Mirson [Is Sumsung Galaxy compatable with UT?], [Edit] Well officially it is not supported, but there are a couple ports for various galaxy devices in varying stages
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 hi, would you like to know if Anbox works correctly in UT?
 @kishini [hi, would you like to know if Anbox works correctly in UT?], Are you asking us if we want to know , or are you asking cause you want to know?
 i presume the latter
 I would to, but better to ask to make sure
 i suppose
 For all we know they tested it and just want to see if we're interested in feedback
 i guess that's possible
 Improppable, but possible
 @Tygerpro [Are you asking us if we want to know , or are you asking cause you want to know?], Thw second
 @Tygerpro [Are you asking us if we want to know , or are you asking cause you want to know?], [Edit] The second
 in that case the answer is that anbox is experimental and thus is not ready for daily use
 Yay, I got a bootloop on this note 4 ... stupid locked bootloaders
 yay
 @Fuseteam [in that case the answer is that anbox is experimental and thus is not ready for …], OK, tks
 Gah, I deleted the file I need, dang it
 I downgraded it from 6.0.1 to 5.1.1, and downgraded the bootloader to a unlockable one, soft brick to realize I deleted the downgrade firmware, ugh this stinks
 grrr
 Exactly, I seriously need a better laptop, the one Im using only has a 32GB eMMC with no upgrade option :(
[04:42] <Fuseteam> dang :/
 Yeah, my server is doing all the heavy lifting, my laptop is just a dumb terminal with storage for personal files badically
 @Tygerpro [Exactly, I seriously need a better laptop, the one Im using only has a 32GB eMMC …], Which one is that?
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 Hi guys, I've tested libertine on the hammerhead edge channel. The display output is pretty much distorted. Is this a known issue? Is this a problem of the edge channel or the current libertine state in general?
 edge
 Okay, thanks. Will it work in devel?
 i presume so
 or it could just be the app you're using. it was working ok on edge on my nexus 4 last i tried it.
 Do you know the reason for this issue?
 well there's a new mir in edge, so probably related to that
 @Guido [Hi guys, I've tested libertine on the hammerhead edge channel. The display outpu …], there's an open issue for that and there's a workaround although it's quite hard to do 😅 … if you're on windowed mode, you can resize the app and the display will work in certain sizes.
 I've tried mate-terminal as well as libreoffice, both not working.
 Okay, thanks for your help. I'll will try to find the workaround and see if I can handle it. 😉
 I've checked windowed mode and yes, it works for some window sizes. At least one way to go. 😊
 Thanks @Javacookies !
 wow I'm surprised you quickly found a certain size that worked 😁
 Well, in my case, it seems that up to a certain window height, it works without any issue.
 Above that height, independent of the width, it doesn't work.
 I remember that depending on the app (GTK or QT), the onscreen keyboard was working or not and as far as I remember, the OSK has been working for the mate-terminal previously. However, now it doesn't. Is there a way to force the OSK to open and stay open?
 BTW, i really like that Xapps are shown together with the Click apps on the Dash! 😊
 Great job!
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 Es posible instalar ubuntu touch en un nokia lumia 640 lte...mil gracias...???
 @Pasacalles [Es posible instalar ubuntu touch en un nokia lumia 640 lte...mil gracias...???], https://t.me/UBPorts_ES
 no, it is not
 No???
 yeah, OSK seems to be not working on edge at the moment … parent and child window works though 👍
 @Pasacalles [No???], https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io
 No entiendo mucho el ingles, pero gracias???
 @Pasacalles [No entiendo mucho el ingles, pero gracias???], https://t.me/UBports_es por favor
 esta grupo ubports para hablando español
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/sNwpkl5b.mp4
 Please be polite!
 I removed that. No need to be rude 😉
 Otherwise moderation and bans happen
 thx
 Sorry sir penguin and Chuck Norris
 [Edit] Sorry sir penguin and Walter White
 Hmm, interesting, in the process of unlocking the bootloader, the sd card became a bootloop card ... very interesting
 Plugging said sd card into laptop results in laptop spazzing out ...
 When will it be possible to pay to the foundation?
 @Tygerpro [Yeah, my server is doing all the heavy lifting, my laptop is just a dumb termina …], basically my dream with ubuntu touch :3
 @Cesar_Herrera [When will it be possible to pay to the foundation?], you can donate now, no?
 or do you mean bank transfer?
 Bank
 @Javacookies [yeah, OSK seems to be not working on edge at the moment … parent and child window …], Okay!
[15:33] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> I have 2 questions about drivers for my Nexus 5: … 1. Does UT Installer install Adroid drivers to my Nexus 5? … 2. If these drivers were written by Android (Google) does anybody test them for backdors?
[15:34] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> [Edit] I have 2 questions about drivers for my Nexus 5: … 1. Does UT Installer install Android drivers to my Nexus 5? … 2. If these drivers were written by Android (Google) does anybody test them for backdors?
 @Javacookies [there's an open issue for that and there's a workaround although it's quite hard …], wow, this is huge! thank you! at least I can see something now lol
 @Vlad Mirson [I have 2 questions about drivers for my Nexus 5: … 1. Does UT Installer install An …], there is a minimal android running in a container. it is required for the hardware to work. the proprietary blobs may have been written by google or the manufacturers of chips.
 @Guido [I've tried mate-terminal as well as libreoffice, both not working.], Abiword and Gnumeric work ok for me in Libertine.
[15:36] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> I understand that it is required for the hardware, but does anybody test it?
 @TotalSonic [Abiword and Gnumeric work ok for me in Libertine.], sadly it doesnt work anymore on the nexus 5
 the only app that is working nowadays is GIMP
 @Vlad Mirson [I understand that it is required for the hardware, but does anybody test it?], I believe @UniversalSuperBox tested to see how much a UT device "phoned home" relative to the same device on Android - and found the only streams were to the the UT push notification server.  Maybe he can confirm or disconfirm this for us.
[15:39] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> Many of you, guys, use UT kust for fun (you, probably, have lot's of free time), I forced to use UT just bacause I need cyber security. Our company is going to letigate with Google, so I really need to be sure that all these INCONVINIECES with UT are worth it.
 @TotalSonic [I believe @UniversalSuperBox tested to see how much a UT device "phoned home" re …], that's only in userspace
[15:40] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> Sorry for my poor English.
 @dohbee [that's only in userspace], ok, thanks for correcting that
[15:40] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> [Edit] Many of you, guys, use UT just for fun (you, probably, have lot's of free time), I forced to use UT just bacause I need cyber security. Our company is going to letigate with Google, so I really need to be sure that all these INCONVINIECES with UT are worth it.
 @Vlad Mirson [Sorry for my poor English.], If your attackers are so advanced, the only safe data is airgapped.
 Meaning: Your attackers have inside knowledge of the system you are trying to protect, no matter how small their internal knowledge, it is likely too great a risk.
 @Vlad Mirson [Many of you, guys, use UT just for fun (you, probably, have lot's of free time), …], you are welcome to hire a firm with the tools to test for such things, but it's not really something we can do
 at least not that we can do easily
 @Vlad Mirson [Many of you, guys, use UT just for fun (you, probably, have lot's of free time), …], I use UT as my daily driver (for 10 months running) and depend on it for my own business - so not just for "fun" - and found it offers lots of options to be able to cut dependcies on Google services -  but as far as a hardened OS designed
[15:43] <ubptgbot>  for cyber security it is still far from optimal
 @dohbee [you are welcome to hire a firm with the tools to test for such things, but it's …], Plus we cannot provide any audits that you would need got get the full assurance of this kind of safety.
[15:44] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @malditobastardo [sadly it doesnt work anymore on the nexus 5], Gnumeric is working on my Nexus 5, but not Abiword.
[15:44] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> Dalton, when you are speaking about my attackets who do you mean?
 You say your expected attacker is Google
[15:45] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> Do you know that thsi wonderful company  - Don't be Evil hacked iPhones of all our managment?
 no, but this is not the right place to make a claim as such
 I respect the sentiment but I will not take it at face value. I don't believe Ubuntu Touch is the operating system for your needs.
 Not yet.
[15:46] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @TotalSonic [I use UT as my daily driver (for 10 months running) and depend on it for my own …], GrapheneOS might have the hardening he's looking for.
 I also don't need to know any more details of this alleged breach, and giving that information in public could make your case weaker.
 @UniversalSuperBox [I also don't need to know any more details of this alleged breach, and giving th …], anything based on any android device probably is not
[15:48] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @UniversalSuperBox [I also don't need to know any more details of this alleged breach, and giving th …], Right. A judge might call it tainting the jury pool.
 Your best bet is to find yourself a good lawyer and do everything they tell you to do, not what random people on the internet do. I don't believe we have any more expertise for your situation
[15:49] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> 👍🏼
[15:50] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> Good grief! The emoji went supersize!
[15:52] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> I understood, Dalton. Our company will defenetly hire lawyer and not just one. But security there working enviroment is on ME. I don't want them to use MS Word, or OS X, or iOS. I don't want Google to know what we (our Company) and our lawyers are doing.
 @Vlad Mirson [Sorry for my poor English.], your English is very good - no need for apologies!
 @Vlad Mirson [Many of you, guys, use UT just for fun (you, probably, have lot's of free time), …], and that is 99% true
 @Vlad Mirson [I understood, Dalton. Our company will defenetly hire lawyer and not just one. B …], You are looking for very unique software that will cost you either a very large sum of money or a very large sum of convenience. You may wish to engage a contractor that specializes in this kind of work
 You're talking about much larger problems than a bunch of volunteers on the internet will be able to help with.
 @John (Marlin) [Gnumeric is working on my Nexus 5, but not Abiword.], yeah - I have only tested on OnePlus One and Meizu Pro 5 - weird how some of these libertine compatibilities are device specific
 TBH the "can't trust anything" ideology is not going to get you very far with using modern technology
[15:54] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> So, I am not the Edward Snowden, I don't need to hide info from everybody (for example I really believe that Goverment has right to hack citizens devices to protect the NATION) my task is to prevent leaking information to Google, Amazon, Facebook and Apple.
 @John (Marlin) [Gnumeric is working on my Nexus 5, but not Abiword.], I was on stable then I jumped again on edge and nothing is working only GIMP I may have to recreate the container it seems or this is a problem related to the edge channel
[15:55] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> Maybe Microsoft.
 @Vlad Mirson [So, I am not the Edward Snowden, I don't need to hide info from everybody (for e …], https://t.me/UBportsOF
 @malditobastardo [I was on stable then I jumped again on edge and nothing is working only GIMP I m …], yeah, apparently Edge is breaking lots of things in libertine - I am RC only here
[15:57] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> So - just clear Linux (I prefer Debian) every where, limited number of applications on devices (only open source, of course), Firefox for daily serfing with Badger and HTTPS Everywher and Tor.
[15:58] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> These will be enough to achive my goal - not to be leaked to these 5.
[15:58] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @malditobastardo [I was on stable then I jumped again on edge and nothing is working only GIMP I m …], I've kept the same container from stable to devel to rc ota-10. Same behavior on all.
 @Vlad Mirson [So, I am not the Edward Snowden, I don't need to hide info from everybody (for e …], Yep, we understand fully. Still, what I believe you are looking for is an audited, signed, PYA guarantee that none of your data will reach those parties — we aren't in the position to provide that right now. We trust the privacy of
[15:58] <ubptgbot>  our own operating system, but for your situation I would not be signing a paper that said that.
[15:59] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> Dalton, thanks for telling me that again.
[15:59] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> Someone told me here that you conduct some "call" experiments with UT.
[16:00] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> How did you implement this test?
[16:00] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> Did you install something like Little Snich?
 It was nothing so advanced, only modem statistics. If you'd like to conduct a more thorough test, you would need to place a packet sniffer between the phone's network connection and the internet
[16:00] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> I know there is no good network/firewall software for even desktop Linux's.
 A third party packet sniffer, mind. If you are this serious about auditing, you cannot trust software on the device to tell you the device is safe.
[16:01] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> Packet Sniffer - I will search about that. Thanks.
 Wireshark is the most commonly used
[16:02] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> Thanks, Dalton very uch for the advise.
 And if you are trying to be very careful, you may also want a radio capable of listening in on GSM and LTE frequencies. This will cost you considerable money, but will allow you to listen to the radio transmissions of the device. … It should be noted that the radio is an entire proprietary operating system that runs on the devic
[16:03] <ubptgbot> e's main CPU to control the software-defined radio. It has full access to all device hardware and memory.
[16:04] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> Wow radio?
 the baseband modem
 Yes. Any software-defined GSM and LTE modem on the market today will have such firmware.
 (That's all of them)
[16:05] <ubptgbot> muhajir_s was added by: muhajir_s
 On phone hardware, the firmware shares the main CPU.
[16:06] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> Wow.
 There is little hope for a fully (third-party) auditable GSM and LTE modem in the forseeable future. If you are at the point of requiring that audit, you will not be able to trust any mobile hardware.
[16:07] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> Since the software which runs on baseband processors is usually proprietary, it is impossible to perform an independent code audit. By reverse engineering some of the baseband chips, researchers have found security vulnerabilities that could be used to access and modify data on the phone remotely.[1][2] In March 2014, makers of the fr
[16:07] <ubptgbot> ee Android derivative Replicant announced they have found a backdoor in the baseband software of Samsung Galaxy phones that allows remote access to the user data stored on the phone.[3]
[16:07] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> From Wikipedia.
 Indeed.
 @UniversalSuperBox [There is little hope for a fully (third-party) auditable GSM and LTE modem in th …], if one is at the point of "i cannot trust any proprietary firmware" then one cannot trust any modern technology really
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[16:10] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> Thanks, guys. For now I am leaving you. Will search, will think.
 the fact that UT devices are not encrypted (at least without a lot of hacking) meaning that anyone that gets hold of them physically can likely access the data on theem also means UT is not a good choice for hardened security needs yet.
 @TotalSonic [the fact that UT devices are not encrypted (at least without a lot of hacking) m …], not encrypted, and can't lock bootloader
[16:12] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> I will keep my Nexus 5 in my pocket.
[16:12] <ubptgbot> <Vlad Mirson> :)
 [Edit] the fact that UT devices are not encrypted (at least without a lot of hacking) meaning that anyone that gets hold of them physically can likely access the data on them also means UT is not a good choice for hardened security needs yet.
 nexus 5 is also vulnerable to firmware issues which won't be fixed because it is no longer supported by google/lg.
 (as are other devices, to varying degrees)
 thanks to the UBports team for the great update to the Weather app and for the smaller but useful update to the Gallery app!  Will being able to indepedently choose Dark theme be added to Gallery app next, now that it can follow system theme?
[16:35] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> To get larger fonts I tried to set higher scaling values in UT Tweak Tool, but I found anything larger than the default 28 makes the display expand to larger than the screen such that things on the right margin start getting cut off. In Android Acessibility options allow both the font size and display size to be adjusted.
 ok
 Ubuntu Touch OTA-10 is currently delayed due to "Google account key change invalidates authentication, can't sign back in" (https://github.com/ubports/ubuntu-touch/issues/1191). You can continue helping us test by following https://ubports.com/blog/ubports-blog-1/post/call-for-testing-ubuntu-touch-ota-10-238.
 I think my favorite thing about the UBports Soundcloud is that @malditobastardo's music is always queued to play after it
 bq aquaris e5 4g work fine with UT?
 no
 ONLY E5 HD
 Caps lock is fun
 The other is not posible install ubuntu touch?
 it is not
 Correct
 @UniversalSuperBox [I think my favorite thing about the UBports Soundcloud is that @malditobastardo' …], I noticed that... HA!
 @UniversalSuperBox [Ubuntu Touch OTA-10 is currently delayed due to "Google account key change inval …], If that can help: I justed realised this behaviour today with my phone (FP2 stable). I deleted my 2 google accounts and then added them again. I could went throught the autorisation process (for ubuntu application) and I was then able
[17:06] <ubptgbot>  to sync calendar and contacts again.
 Yes, it is good that it can be worked around
 But that's not an acceptable workaround, sync-monitor-helper should be fixed if this is going to be a larger issue
 Then I have done the same exact thing for my E5 on devel. The only difference is that outorisation process is asked for ubports application. But it works the same.
 Finally I tried with my M10 FHD on devel by I couldn't because "autorisation were already granted to ubports application". It just works one time for a single device ?
 @UniversalSuperBox [But that's not an acceptable workaround, sync-monitor-helper should be fixed if …], 👍
[17:40] <ubptgbot> <Blake Carrington> Is Ota10 the same as current RC?
 There will likely be a re-release
 No, there will be a re-release. So it'll be next RC. Or however many it takes to get it right.
 @UniversalSuperBox [I think my favorite thing about the UBports Soundcloud is that @malditobastardo' …], 😻😻😻 spoiler: I am already working for new stuff for ubports
 I can't wait!
 maldito music hmmm
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[18:19] <ubptgbot> <Blake Carrington> @UniversalSuperBox [No, there will be a re-release. So it'll be next RC. Or however many it takes to …], Thanks. Was listening to marius on podcast hoping this would help my unav issue. Oh well!!! 'Til next time!!
[18:24] <ubptgbot> <Nithin Padavu> I dont know how exactly it works or if it is even possible. When a file downloads and internet connection is lost is it possible to set it to pause mode instead of download failed. So once internet is back the download can be resumed.
 @malditobastardo [the only app that is working nowadays is GIMP], Strange, in my case, i.e., Nexus 5 on Edge, Gimp shows the same display issues than mate-terminal (see screenshot below). Libreoffice, Gnumeric et al. are not launching at all.
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/pgDOB1Jc.png
 Has anyone used mplayer succesfully within Libertine?
 [Edit] Has anyone used mplayer successfully within Libertine?
 I'm trying to stream PS Vita video via USB with a special plugin for the system, but I suspect the problem is that the tablet won't recognise the system's USB fingerprint (lsusb shows nothing besides the hub device I'm using).
 hey guys is midi support feasible?
 @Fuseteam [hey guys is midi support feasible?], sure
 like playin on a electronic keyboard and recording it with a ut phone xD
 @dohbee [sure], cool :3
 @TartanSpartan [Has anyone used mplayer successfully within Libertine?], I have gotten mpv, VLC, and SMplayer to work (with some flaws) in Libertine.  Totem does not work - I haven't tried mplayer.
 aside from the complete lack of realtime low latency audio support, anyway
 @TartanSpartan [Has anyone used mplayer successfully within Libertine?], [Edit] I have gotten mpv, VLC, and SMplayer to work (with some flaws) in Libertine.  Totem and Parole does not work - I haven't tried mplayer.
 eh? hmmm
 and drivers?
 i mean, it's not a suitable replacement for a proper production audio system
 ah i suppose that makes sense
 probably not, midi-over-usb is pretty standard (as is osc iirc), so drivers are probably not the issue
[20:26] <ubptgbot> AIIoT C was added by: AIIoT C
 soo how trivial would it be to enable midi mode?
 @Fuseteam [soo how trivial would it be to enable midi mode?], plug in a keyboard i guess?
 and then write an app that finds the keyboard and reads midi events, and plays back audio
 I'm considering installing special EXFAT libraries to be able to mount the Vita as USB storage (not if they're too big), but that probably won't help this issue. Sadly the M10's kernel is probably too primitive to allow lsusb to point out the console.
 so no special usb mode needed.......interesting
 i don't know. but i mean, plug in a keyboard and see if it's recognized by the kernel
 guess i first would need to figure out if i can detect a keyboard
 or get a bluetooth one
 lsusb i presume
 In general this feels like a "laptop is more cutting edge for the envisaged task" scenario, even though a tablet is smaller, more portable and perhaps theoretically better in general for it.
 @dohbee [or get a bluetooth one], a bluetooth electronic keyboard? wut?
 or maybe not, since they might require some proprietary thing to pair or something
 this is mind boggling lol
 @dohbee [i don't know. but i mean, plug in a keyboard and see if it's recognized by the k …], i presume lsusb?
 (and PSTV is a home console version of Vita and cheaper so it's sort of redundant anyway... lol, but not in the sense that some software isn't compatible with the PSTV)
 sure, or dmesg
 alrighty
[20:40] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @UniversalSuperBox [I think my favorite thing about the UBports Soundcloud is that @malditobastardo' …], So this got me to look this up and find out what it is. For some reason Soundcloud defaulted to #50 Men in the Middle. Enjoyed it very much. Seems like in forums I noticed at least some of these are available in video versions. I
[20:40] <ubptgbot> 'll have to look more into it.
 The Audiocast is a mostly unscheduled discussion show about the community, the software, and the world around it. The Q&A is a fortnightly video show about the development of Ubuntu Touch and our community's questions.
[20:46] <ubptgbot> <John (Marlin)> @UniversalSuperBox [The Audiocast is a mostly unscheduled discussion show about the community, the s …], Thanks!
 @Guido [Strange, in my case, i.e., Nexus 5 on Edge, Gimp shows the same display issues t …], The trick is to set the phone to windowed mode and then resize the window until you see fine the app
[22:29] <ubptgbot> glodomorrapl was added by: glodomorrapl
 hello, got issues installing ubuntu touch on a nexus 5, can someone help?
 Whats the issue?
 i'm going through manual steps because the installer doesn't work (i'm on windows and the device is running custom android ROM atm). i made it all the way to the step where i have to push a bunch of files through adb while the ubuntu recovery is running
 after doing that, when i reboot the device, the "updating system" screen shows up for like 2 seconds and goes back to menu
 i guess something went wrong since rebooting the device doesn't boot ubuntu, it's just stuck at google
 Ok, try using an older version of the installer, I dont know what the current version is but try going down one version
 i'd rather finish the manual steps tbh
 can i even try the installer anymore now that i cannot boot to android? where do i find the older installer?
 Ok, well if you insist on manually doing it, try pushing the files again and maybe even download them, you can try it again, just boot to bootloader, and manually select the device to install
 (Photo, 1219x1016) https://irc.ubports.com/jRrJHePv.png
 @glodomorrapl [can i even try the installer anymore now that i cannot boot to android? where do …], Installer doesn't need to have Android on the device. Make sure you aren't using encryption in Android though, as that breaks things
 i see no errors here, gonna try and reboot agian
 i'm not using encryption
 still no results
 ok where do i get the older installer then
[22:35] <hallyn> all right, maybe if i see ubtouch running on nexus 5, i'll be more motivated to get it running on experia x.  maybe i'll buy one of those on ebay after all.
 Did you reboot to the bootloader?
 yes, typed 'adb reboot recovery' in command prompt
 @hallyn [all right, maybe if i see ubtouch running on nexus 5, i'll be more motivated to …], There's a port in progress for that, btw
 https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/releases/tag/0.2.3-beta
 0.2.3-beta is what i already tried, didn't work
 @glodomorrapl [0.2.3-beta is what i already tried, didn't work], I posted wrong link, try here  … https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/releases
 even though i clearly have adb and fastboot installed, and drivers are working, when i pick the device and the installer asks me to go into bootloader, nothing happens
 lemme try again
 wait now it's detecting it when i'm in ubuntu recovery
 can i proceed from here just fine?
 Just unplug it then plug it back in on bootloader for the installer, I doubt the installer will work from ubuntu recovery
 (Photo, 786x593) https://irc.ubports.com/GhXaddeW.png
 there's progress
 too bad it's downloading all the stuff i already downloaded again
 on my metered connection :/
 i think it stores what was downloaded
 yeh but i downloaded the files manually when doing manual steps
 if the installer could ask for a folder of already downloaded files that'd be great tbh
 oh
 hey it's "installing update" now, progress bois
[22:43] <hallyn> dohbee: yeah, I've look at it (a few weeks ago) and coudln't get it to build, though admittedly on a newer ubuntu release
 would be cool to recheck and fix the manual instructions tbh
 Im guessing its prob a corrupted file
 isn't it supposed to check the checksums for those
 it was all "OK" in my case
 The installer does, the manual doesnt until it goes to install them
 what do you mean it doesn't
 one of the lines from the initial part of the manual:  … wget https://system-image.ubports.com//pool/ubports-420bfa80c833e7736e0197d969b5cd981f18eee1215ad3bfae6d82aab9105f03.tar.xz -O pool/ubports-420bfa80c833e7736e0197d969b5cd981f18eee1215ad3bfae6d82aab9105f03.tar.xz && (echo "a959960b307d565d6352e47b8bc9514a2d40ccefc26a7271adf1a71c
[22:46] <ubptgbot> fb55851a *pool/ubports-420bfa80c833e7736e0197d969b5cd981f18eee1215ad3bfae6d82aab9105f03.tar.xz" && echo.) | sha256sum -c
 The installer checks the MD5 iirc after its downloaded
 sha256sum -c seems pretty checking for me
 I never really use the manual instructions, I havent used the installer in awhile either tbh
 Hello everyone :-) … I find a tablet Nexus 7 for 30€ or 50€. Do you think it works with Ubport ? … I would like to test for programing :-)
 @Zak39 [Hello everyone :-) … I find a tablet Nexus 7 for 30€ or 50€. Do you think it work …], These are the supported devices … https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 either way, looks like the installer worked, we ubuntu now yay
 no need for android anymore since nexus 5 is now my backup device at most
 Enjoy your new UT device
 thanks
 I have a N5, I need to update it, and Im working on a port for another device, its very far from done
 @Tygerpro [These are the supported devices … https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/], Thank, I saw it :-) … I would be sure :-)
 how to install it on Huawei p smart
 @Taim010 [how to install it on Huawei p smart], You can't
 @Taim010 [how to install it on Huawei p smart], Its not a supported device atm so you would need to port it (if it meets the requirements) or wait for someone else too (if someone does)
[23:20] <hallyn> dohbee: so instead of buliding my own i'll just try the pre-existing binraies first, per https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1669/ubuntu-touch-on-sony-xperia-x/10 .  but that points me to
[23:20] <hallyn> https://ci.ubports.com/job/xenial-edge-rootfs-armhf/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/out/ubports-touch.rootfs-xenial-edge-armhf.tar.gz
[23:20] <hallyn> which does not exist  -  what's the right place to get the latest of that?
 @hallyn [which does not exist  -  what's the right place to get the latest of that?], Weird. Should be something there i think.
[23:24] <hallyn> hm
[23:24] <hallyn> i figured it might've moved on to at least bionic :)
[23:25] <hallyn> oh but unity was dropped there, wasn't it
[23:26] <hallyn> i see xenial-rootfs, but not xenial-edge-rootfs
[23:26] <hallyn> xenial-hybris-edge and xenial-mainline-edge ...
 @hallyn [xenial-hybris-edge and xenial-mainline-edge ...], Ah right. You want hybris
[23:30] <hallyn> thanks
 @dohbee [Weird. Should be something there i think.], That was the name before they split edge off to what it is now, iirc
 there is war from google on any OS like KaiOS or others. … that's make google a 👿


[00:02] <CIA-9> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3271 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.13.1
[08:21] <evand> cjwatson_: Is it not worth the overhead to check the value of partman/default_filesystem for those cases in ubiquity?
[09:51] <cjwatson_> evand: there's only one where it really matters (the others were just cosmetic) - we probably should check default_filesystem for it once at startup, though, feel free :)
[09:52] <evand> will do
[10:03] <corecode> hey
[10:03] <corecode> is there a way to write a partman receipe that spans multiple disks?
[10:04] <corecode> ah, device
[10:04] <corecode> i see
[10:06] <corecode> then i wonder, how can i list all available drives so that i can put them into partman-auto/disk
[10:09] <evand> cjwatson: when you say "at startup", do you mean ubiquity startup or partman startup?
[10:21] <cjwatson> I don't suppose it matters too much
[10:21] <cjwatson> I was thinking the former
[10:22] <cjwatson> corecode: if you're on at least intrepid, you can use a combination of debconf-set and list-devices in partman/early_command to set that dynamically
[10:22] <corecode> list-devices, is that only available in the installer?
[10:22] <cjwatson> (before intrepid, partman/early_command wasn't available, so there was no easily available scripting hook that ran after disks were detected)
[10:22] <cjwatson> yes
[10:22] <corecode> okay
[10:23] <cjwatson> 'list-devices disk'
[10:23] <cjwatson> prints '/dev/sda' here
[10:23] <corecode> ah great
[10:23] <corecode> thanks
[10:24] <corecode> now i just need to write a nice receipe to create a pv on the second drive and add it to the vg
[10:24] <corecode> recipe*
[11:25] <corecode> hm
[11:25] <corecode> parted_server: OUT: Can't have a partition outside the disk!
[11:25] <corecode> parted_server: OUT: Can't have a partition outside the disk!
[11:25] <corecode> sorry
[11:25] <corecode> how am i supposed to tell partman "create a primary spanning the whole disk as pv?
[11:28] <corecode> i wrote in the recipe:  100 1000 -1 $default_filesystem $defaultignore{ } $primary{ } method{ lvm } device{ /dev/sdb }
[11:28] <corecode> but i guess the -1 does some wrong calculations
[11:29] <corecode> because parted does this:
[11:29] <corecode> parted_server: add_primary_partition(disk(312500000),0-312500000)
[11:29] <corecode> /bin/autopartition-lvm: IN: NEW_PARTITION =dev=sdb primary ext3 0-159999999999 beginning<PHONE_NUMBER>01
[11:33] <cjwatson> I'm afraid I'm doing several other things right now, but maybe you could file a bug on partman-auto-lvm attaching syslog and partman logs
[11:34] <cjwatson> your recipe *ought* to work, I agree
[11:34] <corecode> mhm
[11:49] <corecode> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-auto/+bug/368924
[11:49] <corecode> somebody already filed that report
[11:53] <cjwatson> err
[11:53] <cjwatson> you sure yours is the same? doesn't sound like it to me
[11:53] <cjwatson> same error message doesn't imply same bug
[11:54] <corecode> yah
[11:54] <corecode> testing
[11:54] <cjwatson> in any case I'd appreciate a separate bug
[11:54] <cjwatson> it's much easier to mark a bug as a duplicate than it is to split some of the comments out of a single bug
[12:36] <CIA-9> partman-basicfilesystems: cjwatson * r563 hardy-proposed/debian/changelog: releasing version 56ubuntu5
[14:39] <cody-somerville> Would it be possible for partman to partition the disk based off of the sizes of certain files on the install media?
[14:40] <cody-somerville> or my real question is, is it possible to do it relatively easily?
[14:40] <cjwatson> you could write a preseed file to fetch that information and write out a custom recipe
[14:40] <cjwatson> I'd rather not hack that into partman itself
[14:41] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, So use early_command to execute a script to calculate the size of the utility/recovery partition and write up a recipe at that time?
[14:41] <cjwatson> right
[14:47] <corecode> cjwatson: will parted-auto-lvm remove existing partitions on a non-primary device?
[14:48] <cjwatson> "non-primary device"?
[14:48] <corecode> not the first disk device
[14:50] <cjwatson> no, it'll only operate on the device you tell it to operate it
[14:50] <corecode> but auto_lvm_prepare can work on more than one device
[14:51] <corecode> what i want to say is, where do all existing partitions get deleted before applying a recipe?
[14:52] <cjwatson> auto_lvm_prepare only works on more than one device if you tell it to, which we don't
[14:52] <cjwatson> anyway, if you're already reading the code ... :)
[14:52] <corecode> yah, i'm trying to find the problem
[14:52] <corecode> i think it is because there is already a partition on the destination (secondary) drive
[14:56] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, I'm thinking maybe a udeb that runs before partman would be better/more flexible than exploiting early_command
[14:57] <cjwatson> corecode: auto_lvm_prepare calls auto_init_disks (defined in partman-auto)
[14:57] <cjwatson> cody-somerville: up to you, I'd do it with an early_command myself and I think that's pretty much equally flexible
[14:57] <cjwatson> partman/early_command that is
[14:57] <cjwatson> well, on >= intrepid
[14:58] <cody-somerville> cjwatson, I already use early_command and the nice thing about the udeb is that it just needs to get included and it'll work instead of me modifying the preseed file for all our jaunty projects
[14:59] <cjwatson> ok
[15:00] <corecode> cjwatson: then this can't be the problem...
[15:00] <cjwatson> corecode: your use of "destination" and "secondary" is confusing me
[15:01] <cjwatson> perhaps it would help to use concrete examples
[15:01] <corecode> i have sda and sdb
[15:01] <corecode> i want to create two pv and one vg
[15:01] <corecode> now just sda works fine, but when i try to get partman to create an pv on sdb, it fails
[15:02] <cjwatson> ah, now I discover I was looking at old partman-auto code ...
[15:03] <cjwatson> so my previous statement that we never tell auto_lvm_prepare to work on more than one device was wrong, sorry about that
[15:03] <cjwatson> it should operate basically the same way on all the disks you give it, from what I can see
[15:07] <corecode> i think the problem is that it can't allocate a primary partition that spans all drive
[15:10] <cjwatson> what's the exact error message?
[15:10] <corecode> /bin/autopartition-lvm: IN: NEW_PARTITION =dev=sdb primary ext3 0-159999999999 beginning<PHONE_NUMBER>01
[15:10] <corecode> parted_server: add_primary_partition(disk(312500000),0-312500000)
[15:10] <corecode> parted_server: OUT: Can't have a partition outside the disk!
[15:11] <cjwatson> oh, you said, sorry
[15:11] <cjwatson> it sounded to me as if your initial guess that it was an arithmetic error somewhere is right
[15:12] <cjwatson> did you file a bug with the logs?
[15:12] <corecode> no, i wanted to see the bug first
[15:52] <corecode> cjwatson: i think it is an alignment problem
[15:52] <corecode> cjwatson: within parted
[15:53] <corecode> cjwatson: or however parted gets driven
[15:53] <cjwatson> corecode: I really can't comment any further until I see logs, sorry
[15:53] <cjwatson> I'd just be guessing
[15:54] <corecode> really, the logs wouldn't help
[15:55] <cjwatson> then I can't help you at all, since often the logs help *me*
[15:55] <cjwatson> I have a lot of practice at using partman logs to trace through what it's doing
[15:56] <corecode> what's the scp anna package?
[15:56] <cjwatson> openssh-client-udeb
[15:56] <corecode> thx
[16:01] <corecode> http://chlamydia.fs.ei.tum.de/~corecode/unsorted/partman
[16:02] <cjwatson> could you file a bug and attach it?
[16:02] <cjwatson> I'll lose it otherwise :)
[16:02] <corecode> i don't know what to write in the bug
[16:03] <corecode> doesn't work seems a bit vague
[16:03] <cjwatson> "partman-auto-lvm fails to create PV on second disk: 'Can't have a partition outside the disk!'"
[16:03] <cjwatson> or something like that
[16:03]  * cjwatson -> meeting
[16:04] <cjwatson> my guess is it's a fencepost error -<PHONE_NUMBER>00 is a suspiciously round number for the size of the disk
[16:06] <corecode> must be an error in parted_server then
[16:06] <cjwatson> not necessarily, it's fed the sizes externally
[16:06] <cjwatson> all the shell bits of partman do a lot of size computations
[16:38] <corecode> hm, could have been pilot error.  i forgot a .
[16:38] <corecode> but now it tells me "no root file system defined"
[16:59] <CIA-9> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1104 ubuntu/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Move mainline architectures to 2.6.30-8 kernels.
[17:03] <CIA-9> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1105 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu40
[18:55] <corecode> cjwatson: yep, whenever the system tries to create a big primary partition, it breaks
[20:43] <cody-somerville> If I use oem-config-udeb, do I have to preseed a late command to run oem-configure-prepare in the target to skip the "boot and customize and then click the desktop icon to be ready for the 'first' boot"?
[20:56] <CIA-9> usb-creator: rgreening * r106 usb-creator/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[20:56] <CIA-9> usb-creator: - Sort of have kdesudo working. Still doesn't pick up cmdline args if re-launched.
[20:56] <CIA-9> usb-creator: - Replaced kde_frontend with
[20:56] <CIA-9> usb-creator:  bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~david.edmundson/usb-creator/kde-frontend/
[20:56] <CIA-9> usb-creator:  Using this as a closer starting point for the KDE/Qt conversion...
[20:56] <CIA-9> usb-creator: - Backed up old kde_frontend.py to kde_frontend.py.old
[20:56] <CIA-9> usb-creator: - Started updating and implementing missing bits in kde_frontend.py
[22:13] <cjwatson> cody-somerville: you'd have to, yes
[22:13] <cjwatson> (though I don't recall testing that method at all recently ...)


[00:23] <jjfrv8> knome, I'm here
[00:25] <knome> jjfrv8, o hai!
[00:26] <knome> jjfrv8, we should look into getting you to ~ubuntu-core-do
[00:26] <knome> +c
[00:26] <jjfrv8> what's involved in that?
[00:27] <knome> jjfrv8, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Organization#Requirements_for_Ubuntu_Documentation_Committers
[00:28] <knome> jjfrv8, what you need to do now is mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>with your free form application to be applied to the team
[00:28] <jjfrv8> ok, I can do some of that homework that I haven't completed yet.
[00:28] <knome> You can apply to join either of these teams by posting to the mailing list and asking to be added. Please provide evidence that you satisfy the requirements in this section. It's particularly helpful if you can include links to concrete examples of your work, such as wiki pages or patches.
[00:29] <jjfrv8> hehe, haven't done any of that
[00:29] <knome> i can help you getting the mail in shape (as can pleia2), and once you've applied, i can also +1 your application
[00:29] <jjfrv8> ok
[00:30] <knome> well, i can guarantee you have basically all the information you get from #1 (at least in the xubuntu scope)
[00:30] <pleia2> oh look, it is documented :) I thought I might have imagined it
[00:30] <knome> you have done #2 (i can confirm that as well)
[00:30] <knome> i guess the only thing you need to look is #3, the bug control pages
[00:30] <knome> and get the mail sent :)
[00:31] <jjfrv8> all right, will do
[00:31] <jjfrv8> I'll let you know when I'm ready to work on the mail?
[00:32] <knome> jjfrv8, basically it's enough that you can check the three first points in the "generic requirements" section, the rest is optional/related to direct memberships
[00:32] <ochosi> Unit193: could you do a rather simplistic package for xubuntu?
[00:32] <knome> sure, though i'm off to bed soon for today
[00:33] <ochosi> Unit193: hint: http://xubuntu.org/news/community-wallpaper-contest-winners/
[00:33] <jjfrv8> knome, another question before you go: how come you deleted the SRU item from the BP instead of marking it done?
[00:33] <knome> jjfrv8, there is a bug linked to the blueprints
[00:34] <knome> -s
[00:34] <knome> jjfrv8, that counts as one work item; we don't want multiple work items per one task
[00:34] <jjfrv8> oh
[00:34] <knome> and yeah, the SRU with fixed looks should be in now
[00:34] <ochosi> night everyone
[00:35] <knome> nighty ochosi
[00:35] <jjfrv8> it's not all the way in, is it?  I just checked and it doesn't show up as an  update yet.
[00:35] <knome> jjfrv8, do you have -proposed enabled?
[00:36] <jjfrv8> affirmative
[00:36] <knome> right
[00:36] <knome> then it's probably taking some time; seb128 has sponsored it though, so it should be in sooner or later
[00:36] <jjfrv8> I'll keep checking
[00:37] <jjfrv8> I keep looking for noskcaj's weather plugin too but haven't seen that yet
[00:37] <knome> was there any other reply from ted apart that he is interested? did you follow up on that further?
[00:38] <jjfrv8> is that about the weather thing? I didn't think there was anything to do but wait for it to go through
[00:39] <knome> no, that was about docs stuff
[00:39] <knome> got mail from ted on 15th saying "Yes, yes, very interested!", but no further communication regarding that
[00:39] <jjfrv8> Oh, that.  Yes we've traded e-mails.  He's working through the bzr stuff.  He got stuck at the same spot I did
[00:39] <knome> ok, good :)
[00:40] <jjfrv8> I sent him unit193's workaround but haven't heard back to see if it worked yet
[00:40] <jjfrv8> never heard back from the other guy
[00:41] <knome> right, that happens
[00:41] <Unit193> Hmm?
[00:41] <knome> if you are seriously stuck with bzr, you can CC me as well, or ask him to join us on IRC
[00:41] <jjfrv8> I did (the latter)
[00:41] <knome> we have other tasks (not related to bzr) open for work as well, so it's not really a hard requirement at this point
[00:42] <jjfrv8> right, it's where he wanted to start, though
[00:42] <knome> ok, that's fine
[00:42] <Unit193> Workaround for something?
[00:43] <knome> the -devel mailing list is completely fine to discuss problems with bzr and stuff, as long as it is directly related trying to get something done for xubuntu ;)
[00:43] <jjfrv8> Unit193, last spring when you and knome were helping me learn the bzr ropes I had some LP issues and you fixed them
[00:43] <Unit193> Oh, cool.
[00:43] <knome> wondering if it's about LP/bzr "knowing you"
[00:44] <knome> and setting up keys and that
[00:44] <jjfrv8> pasting some text into ~\.ssh\config
[00:44] <Unit193> Ahhh, that.
[00:57] <knome> ok, i'm off to bed
[00:57] <knome> email, PM me and i'll reply when i get back
[00:57] <jjfrv8> cya
[00:57] <slickymaster> night knome
[00:57] <knome> see you, and nighty!
[00:58] <slickymaster> I'm off to
[00:58] <slickymaster> cy tomorrow guys
[00:58] <Noskcaj> to anyone interested on my current status; Internet is completely dead; ubuntu-gnome took all of the time at the MOTU meeting and applying by email still isn't working; pyexcept is updated in debian, mugshot and menulibre are being reviewed now; gthumb 3.3 is now in ubuntu
[00:58] <Noskcaj> g'night knome, slickymaster
[01:03] <Noskcaj> micahg: Any progress on the weather-plugin SRU?
[01:04] <micahg> hrm, was I supposed to upload something?
[01:05] <micahg> it's in unapproved
[01:05] <Noskcaj> ok
[01:14] <Unit193> knome: Got the emails of the winners?
[01:14] <Unit193> ochosi: ^?
[01:37] <Unit193> ochosi: 9.1M Jan 28 20:37 gavinash_solitude.jpg  not so small.
[07:03] <elfy> bluesabre: not even going to try to do a testcase for menulibre until there's some sort of docs for it
[07:36] <ochosi> Unit193: yeah i know, we'll have to get in touch with all the authors (probably won't get to it until next week, so if you wanna take over, that'd be great), we can get in touch with them via the wiki accounts i think
[07:36] <ochosi> Unit193: of one or two i might have email addresses as well
[07:37] <ochosi> Unit193: anyway, if you're generally willing to take this task, i'd assign the packaging to you in the artwork-blueprint
[07:40] <elfy> morning ochosi
[07:40] <ochosi> morning elfy
[07:42] <elfy> ochosi: any change with the gtk3 inds - are we still looking to get them in this cycle?
[07:43] <ochosi> yup, we are
[07:43] <elfy> ok :)
[07:43] <ochosi> we're kinda waiting for a panel-release
[07:43] <ochosi> but i think we should get a git-snapshot in asap
[07:43] <ochosi> so that we get more testing
[07:43] <elfy> right
[07:43] <ochosi> Noskcaj said he was going to look into that, but obviously he has troubles with his connection
[07:43] <ochosi> sorry, gotta run, bbl
[08:30] <pmjdebruijn> ochosi: congrats with the wallpapers content/contest :)
[09:08] <ochosi> pmjdebruijn: thanks :)
[09:46] <slickymaster> morning all
[09:46] <elfy> hi slickymaster
[09:47] <slickymaster> hey elfy
[09:48] <Unit193> ochosi: No, I'm looking for copyright reasons, I have it all done otherwise.
[09:48] <ochosi> Unit193: oh, nice. i sent out some contact requests, i also want to know who wants to be attributed how
[09:49] <slickymaster> elfy: I see you're waiting for MenuLibre docs to start working on its testcase
[09:50] <slickymaster> thing is, that from what I've seen, those docs are bound to became a huge task
[09:51] <elfy> slickymaster: well ...
[09:51] <elfy> that's as maybe - but as it stands I can't even make the thing work :p
[09:52] <slickymaster> I was planning on porting the mugshot docs to docbook format, so they can be integrated in the xubuntu docs and then, after that, start to work on the MenuLibre ones
[09:54] <elfy> yea - I read that
[09:55] <elfy> that said we don't test alacarte
[09:55] <elfy> so I guess the testing is more about making sure it works - which it doesn't for me :p
[09:56] <slickymaster> tbh, even though I already installed it, I haven't tried it yet
[09:57] <Unit193> ochosi: Want to take a look?
[09:57] <ochosi> Unit193: sure thing
[09:57] <elfy> slickymaster: I've tried it - can't make it work - got other stuff to do :)
[09:58] <slickymaster> yeah, there's no way we can nag about being left with nothing to do
[09:58] <elfy> lol
[09:59] <slickymaster> knome: ping
[10:01] <Unit193> ochosi: You know packaging well enough to play with the source package, or just bin?
[10:02] <ochosi> Unit193: i think the source package could be fine
[10:02] <ochosi> if i have troubles, i'll ask
[10:09] <Unit193> https://unit193.net/xubuntu-community-artwork_14.04.0.dsc - https://unit193.net/xubuntu-community-wallpapers_14.04.0_all.deb
[10:18] <ochosi> Unit193: looks good to me!
[10:18] <ochosi> so basically you need to fill in the email addresses into the <> and it's ready
[10:18] <Unit193> d/copyright of course isn't done, but otherwise.
[10:18] <Unit193> Yep.
[10:18] <ochosi> i'll PM you the email addresses i have
[10:19] <Unit193> Doh, right, I know yours.  But that's different than the one.
[10:46] <knome> slickymaster, pong
[10:48] <slickymaster> knome: regarding mugshot in docbook format. Do you think that it's best to make a brand new xml file to add the /desktop-guide/C/ folder or is it to be added to a existing xml file in that folder?
[10:48] <knome> let me see
[10:50] <knome> i think it could be a new section that falls between 3 and 4
[10:50] <knome> we could move "customizing the appearance" and the menulibre stuff there as well
[10:50] <knome> what do you think?
[10:51] <slickymaster> give me a sec
[10:55] <slickymaster> well, they would both definitely fall under the Customizing the appearance section of Chapter 3
[10:55] <knome> not really
[10:55] <knome> appearance is not personal details or the menu structure
[10:55] <slickymaster> you don't think so?
[10:55] <knome> appearance is.. appearance
[10:55] <knome> how things look
[10:55] <knome> and that section is already somewhat big
[10:55] <knome> but all three do have one thing in common: customizing
[10:56] <slickymaster> MenuLibre is bound to somehow change the appearance of the desktop
[10:57] <slickymaster> but the same doesn't happens with mugshot though
[10:57] <knome> i understand what you are saying, but i'm not thinking "appearance" is as big entity as you do
[10:57] <slickymaster> I see
[10:57] <knome> new section could be named "Tailoring the desktop for your personal preferences"
[10:57] <knome> or sth
[10:58] <knome> probably not that exactly
[10:58] <knome> because if we think about it
[10:58] <knome> currently, section 3 is named "Getting to know..."
[10:58] <knome> and customizing something isn't really "getting to know", it's the next step already
[10:58] <slickymaster> so, following your reasoning that would result in another new chapter between the existing 3 and 4?
[10:58] <knome> yep.
[10:59] <knome> that chapter could ultimately also have a link to chapter 8 "managing installed applications"
[11:00] <knome> but that's minor details
[11:00] <knome> would you like me to set up the new chapter?
[11:00] <slickymaster> yeah, but I see the logic of it
[11:01] <slickymaster> knome: you could draw me a rough draft of it, so I can get an idea of how it's done
[11:01] <knome> ok
[11:01] <knome> i'll prepare it, just a sec
[11:01] <slickymaster> it will be my first endeavor on making on in docbook from scratch
[11:01] <knome> meanwhile, give me a good name for the chapter
[11:01] <knome> heh, yeah, what a way to start ;)
[11:02] <slickymaster> I must say that I do like your suggestion: "Tailoring the desktop for your personal preferences"
[11:02] <knome> it's probably a tad long
[11:02] <slickymaster> hmm
[11:03] <slickymaster> let me think
[11:04] <knome> fwiw, i'm naming the "stub" customizing-desktop
[11:06] <slickymaster> are there any restrictions on the string length, or is it just intended to be straight forward?
[11:06] <knome> latter
[11:06] <slickymaster> ok
[11:07] <knome> "Customizing your system" sounds too technical/heavy/deep
[11:07] <bluesabre> elfy, that's reasonable
[11:08] <slickymaster> what about "Your desktop, your preferences"?
[11:08] <knome> slickymaster, that sounds like a marketing speech :D
[11:08] <slickymaster> :D yes, I know
[11:08] <knome> and if we are really strict, it's not really just desktop
[11:08] <bluesabre> Have it your way
[11:09] <Unit193> :D
[11:09] <bluesabre> oh wait, thats already taken
[11:09] <knome> bluesabre, ideas?
[11:09] <knome> lol
[11:09] <knome> what about something like "Set up your preferences"
[11:09] <knome> that one is clumsy, but something in that direction maybe
[11:09] <knome> hmm,
[11:09] <slickymaster> btw bluesabre, are you ok with the mugshot docs?
[11:10] <Unit193> Settings and Preferences :P
[11:10] <knome> maybe we should use "customize" in the chapter title
[11:10] <knome> Unit193, oh.. oh!
[11:10] <knome> i guess that's it :P
[11:11] <bluesabre> one sec
[11:12] <slickymaster> so we're sticking with Unit193's suggestion?
[11:12] <knome> that's pretty solid to me
[11:12] <knome> we can talk about tailoring and stuff in the chapter introduciton paragraph
[11:13] <slickymaster> agree, I think he nailed it
[11:14] <bluesabre> slickymaster: the docs are excellent
[11:15] <slickymaster> bluesabre: good to hear
[11:15] <slickymaster> I can now stop worrying about that and focus on their docbook implementation
[11:16] <bluesabre> good deal
[11:21] <knome> bah, will take some time
[11:21] <knome> i need to fix some issues with something that i might want to change
[11:22] <slickymaster> I'll wait knome
[11:22] <knome> i need to get it done before 12UTC anyway :P
[11:22] <slickymaster> hmm that leaves you with jus 40 minutes
[11:22] <slickymaster> just ^^
[11:22] <knome> yep
[11:22] <knome> that's fien
[11:22] <knome> fine*
[11:46] <knome> question:
[11:46] <knome> currently, the toc's only show items from chapter and section
[11:47] <knome> basically saying, two levels
[11:47] <knome> do you think we should allow one more level of section titles in the chapter pages?
[11:47] <knome> eg. in "What is Xubuntu?", should the TOC list headers like "Xubuntu is...", "About the name", etc?
[11:47] <knome> slickymaster, ^
[11:48] <knome> i am not sure if this is useful or not
[11:48] <knome> could become handy in the network chapter
[11:49] <knome> and in the new customize chapter
[11:51] <knome> oh well, i'll leave it as it is for now
[11:51] <knome> at least i've prepared the change and know what changing it involves :)
[11:51] <knome> slickymaster, new revision pushed to branch :)
[12:00] <elfy> knome: do you want to say more? http://pastebin.com/abhmuY1f
[12:02] <slickymaster> knome: I saw it
[12:04] <knome> elfy, http://pastebin.com/YcjY1NaE
[12:04] <elfy> that'll do then
[12:04] <elfy> sending
[12:04] <knome> ta
[12:07] <slickymaster> yes knome, I do concur with you regarding the toc, but if implemented would that be obligatorily implemented in all the chapters?
[12:08] <slickymaster> making the toc a huge tree
[12:08] <slickymaster> or can it just be implemented on a need to basis?
[12:08] <knome> slickymaster, what i'm proposing is to expand the TOC only in the chapter pages, not the index
[12:08] <knome> slickymaster, but it would need to affect all chapters
[12:09] <brainwash> wow, a news about the wallpaper contest http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/01/xubuntu-14-04-wallpaper-winners
[12:09] <knome> :)
[12:10] <brainwash> great promotion for xubuntu trusty :)
[12:11] <slickymaster> knome: not quite sure if I understand you. where is the TOC implemented in the chpater pages?
[12:11] <knome> http://docs.xubuntu.org/1310/what-is-xubuntu.html
[12:11] <knome> has the TOC at the top
[12:11] <slickymaster> in the headr of each page?
[12:11] <knome> yep
[12:11] <knome> so that would have all the bold, level 2/3 headers
[12:12] <knome> eg. "Xubuntu is...", "About the name"
[12:12] <knome> probably a better example: http://docs.xubuntu.org/1310/internet-networks.html
[12:13] <knome> in that page, you could jump directly to "Wireless troubleshooting" instead of going to "Network troubleshooting" and scrolling down
[12:13] <slickymaster> yeah, no I get it
[12:13] <knome> the index page (http://docs.xubuntu.org/1310/index.html) would be kept as it is
[12:13] <knome> to avoid the huge tree, as you said
[12:14] <slickymaster> yes, it just a matter of checking the implications of such a change in all the others chapters, besides chapter 6 and the new one
[12:15] <knome> i don't think it's a problem for the chapter pages
[12:15] <knome> but if it isn't useful, maybe we shouldn't do that
[12:16] <slickymaster> well, in pragmatic terms, i.e. usability, there would be gains
[12:16] <slickymaster> to the common user
[12:16] <knome> definitely
[12:16] <knome> except maybe in chapter 1 ;)
[12:16] <slickymaster> faster browser between the items
[12:16] <slickymaster> yes
[12:16] <knome> where the repetition could be a bit meh
[12:16] <knome> we *could* look about going around that as well
[12:17] <knome> but i'll look at that if we decide to change the toc's
[12:17] <slickymaster> and if not, it's a matter of weighting the pros and cons of the implementation through all the documentation
[12:17] <knome> yep
[12:18] <knome> i would say most chapters would benefit from that
[12:18] <slickymaster> yes, I agree with you on that
[12:18] <Unit193> Don't forget to ask Jack?
[12:18] <knome> and some wouldn't change at all, there not being sublevel headings
[12:18] <knome> Unit193, sure.
[12:21] <knome> ali12341, what's your panel layout switcher GUI status?
[12:26] <knome> bluesabre, do we still have things to push to/import from debian?
[12:27] <bluesabre> knome: I'm not sure if Noskcaj has gotten the latest menulibre and mugshot in there yet
[12:27] <bluesabre> if you see him today, could you check?
[12:27] <bluesabre> I sent him an email regarding it the other day
[12:27] <knome> i can try to, but not sure how much i'll be around later today
[12:28] <bluesabre> and I'm currently working on catfish-1.0, and I should get that to debian this weekend, we might be able to sync it back down before the freeze
[12:28] <knome> hopefully
[12:28] <ochosi> +1
[12:29] <bluesabre> otherwise, we'll manually sync it anyway
[12:29] <knome> if you have it ready in debian ahead of DIF, we can poke other people as well to make sure we get it synced
[12:30] <knome> and as usually, i'll help if you need help with anything, just email/PM if i don't seem to be around
[12:33] <knome> bbl ->
[13:22] <Unit193> knome: Is there any way to refresh the pot so that the translated strings remain translated, just moved?
[14:39] <knome> the pot doens't have translated strings :P
[14:40] <knome> yeah, i imagine there is a way
[14:40] <knome> what that is... i don't know
[14:40] <knome> at least poedit can "update .po from template"
[14:40] <knome> so i imagine there is a tool that can do that
[17:19] <slickymaster> bbl after dinner ->
[20:42] <knome> or actually, elfy, ping
[20:45] <elfy> ok - so
[20:45] <knome> this
[20:45] <elfy> what's up
[20:45] <knome> let me dig up the url
[20:45] <elfy> or let me guess
[20:46] <knome> ok, guess :P
[20:46] <elfy> LTS Upgrades Testuite
[20:46] <knome> actually not
[20:46] <elfy> bah
[20:46] <knome> is there something that needs poking? :)
[20:46] <elfy> well we'll do you first then :p
[20:46] <knome> hehe, ok
[20:46] <knome> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2014-January/009662.html
[20:46] <knome> i don't really know what to do with that email
[20:47] <knome> i mean it's cool that they want to help test around (or maybe not, maybe they just expect 14.04 to be polished already)
[20:47] <elfy> mmm - I saw it - but at the wrong time of the day
[20:47] <knome> otoh, don't know how useful it is if they are not going to send reports
[20:47] <elfy> well - we have to assume that we've got more than 12 people testing I guess
[20:48] <lderan> oh knome i am currently making the "does it open?" test for all the apps so will have a list at the end of it of which ones are going to be a pain and a lot of merge requests to setup :P
[20:48] <knome> and we kind of don't need anybody telling us one can use xubuntu for businesses
[20:48] <elfy> knome: yea
[20:48] <knome> pleia2, elfy: maybe we could tell them they could take part in our "Xubuntu at..." series if they decide to use xubuntu
[20:49] <elfy> knome: maybe a - "yea, if you want to test that then go ahead, all and any testing is useful. However we're not set up for specific scenarios"
[20:49] <knome> pleia2, elfy: and if they'd also want to talk about their deciding process, and if they really want to go deep, how they wanted to give something back (eg. test stuff)
[20:49] <elfy> You can do it and post to the list
[20:50] <elfy> but - yea - maybe a bit of that and a bit of "xubuntu at ..."
[20:50] <knome> i think it might be too much hassle to help them get started with the test reports
[20:50] <knome> but it might be a good fit for the article series
[20:50] <knome> lderan, autopilot that is?
[20:51] <elfy> too much for us to help much - but they could perhaps liase with -qa in general
[20:51] <knome> mhm, well, i don't know
[20:51] <knome> maybe they aren't interested to go in that deep
[20:51] <knome> it just looks they want to get something that works for them
[20:51] <lderan> knome, yup
[20:52] <elfy> my issue is that given it's like pushing a rock up a hill backwards to get anyone to get involved with testing - I don't like saying no very much ;)
[20:52] <knome> pleia2, would you like to set up a reply (i can help) talking about the article series and briefly mentioning "real" testing possibilities
[20:52] <lderan> elfy, after im done with this i will be going through the upgrade test :)
[20:52] <elfy> lderan: that's great :)
[20:52] <knome> elfy, yep, i understand that point, and that's why i'm not too excited about this mail
[20:52] <knome> i just marked it as "do something about this" on my inbox...
[20:52] <elfy> yep - I can understand that
[20:53] <elfy> right - I marked it in my mind and slid it under the carpet in my head
[20:53] <knome> hehe
[20:53] <knome> lderan, yep, that's cool :)
[20:54] <knome> elfy, so, what was your thing?
[20:54] <elfy> knome: go for it from the xubuntu at perspective - mentioning perhaps the size of team and the qa issues we have
[20:54] <elfy> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-quality/2014-January/004880.html
[20:54] <elfy> that - I looked, can;t see what I should be doing
[20:54] <knome> aha
[20:54] <elfy> and I wish I'd not sent that mail this morning :|
[20:54] <knome> i'll look
[20:54] <knome> heh. why?
[20:55] <elfy> now I've got to send another saying that lts to lts is somewhere else and ignore what I said earlier
[20:55] <knome> that happens
[20:55] <elfy> yep
[20:55] <elfy> shouldn't have poked nick about a testcase bug lol
[20:56] <elfy> knome: is it here ? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/products/42/testsuites
[20:57] <knome> that's it
[20:57] <knome> i just set it up
[20:58] <elfy> mmm - can't find it :(
[20:58] <knome> hum?
[20:59]  * knome pokes elfy in the wooden eye
[20:59] <knome> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds/57248/testcases
[20:59] <knome> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/308/builds/57247/testcases
[20:59] <knome> so the same links
[20:59] <elfy> aah yea - wasn't there when I looked :p
[20:59] <knome> and you don't need to send a sorry-mail
[21:00] <elfy> nope - just a they are now seperate one :)
[21:00] <elfy> cool - thanks knome :)
[21:00] <knome> probably not, because i had just added them when you asked about the admin side
[21:00] <knome> np
[21:00] <elfy> okey doke - that all from you? it is from me
[21:01] <knome> i'm fine for now at least :)
[21:01] <elfy> I replied to the Richard guy on the m/l a short while ago
[21:01] <elfy> okey doke
[21:01] <elfy> working tomorrow - be about for the meeting though
[21:02] <knome> mhm, have fun :)
[21:02] <elfy> lderan: any chance of getting some of the which work and which don't before tomorrow's meeting?
[21:02] <elfy> don't sweat it if not - another week won't hurt given it's been simmering for almost 2 cycles :p
[21:02] <knome> anybody has an opinion re: bug 1004400 ?
[21:03] <elfy> my opinion is that I've never got the double click to work on the window title bar
[21:03] <elfy> ever
[21:03] <brainwash> it's fixed upstream
[21:05] <elfy> I've not got an issue with it being increased
[21:05] <lderan> elfy, thats my plan
[21:05] <elfy> lderan: thanks
[21:06] <lderan> then the poor dan will get flooded with MPs :(
[21:06] <elfy> :)
[21:06] <lderan> which will make us have more tests then Ubuntu :D
[21:07] <elfy> ha ha ha
[21:07] <elfy> I need to get my head around jenkins and the reports
[21:09] <lderan> i need to setup my own jenkins at somepoint
[21:11] <elfy> ok - off now - cya tomorrow eventually
[21:13] <slickymaster> night all
[21:13] <knome> hello slickymaster
[21:13] <slickymaster> hi knome
[21:15] <lderan> Hi slickymaster
[21:16] <slickymaster> hey lderan
[21:18] <slickymaster> knome, where you thinking in ant particular order for the sections in the settings-preferences.xml or can I just continue after the last existing section?
[21:18] <slickymaster> s/ant/any
[21:19] <knome> slickymaster, thought maybe personal info (mugshot) - appearance - menu(libre)
[21:21] <slickymaster> but those after the existing section "customizing-desktop-effects", right?
[21:21] <knome> slickymaster, eh, read again ;)
[21:23] <slickymaster> now you lost me, knome
[21:24] <knome> slickymaster, heh, ok, so
[21:24] <slickymaster> there are currently 4 sections in the xml file and I guess that those are to remain there
[21:24] <knome> slickymaster, i thought mugshot stuff should come before existing stuff
[21:24] <slickymaster> ok
[21:24] <knome> slickymaster, and the menu docs after
[21:24] <knome> isn't that a logical order?
[21:24] <knome> personal preferences -> looks -> menu editing
[21:24] <slickymaster> won't argue with that logic
[21:25]  * knome shrugs
[21:25] <knome> at worst, we can reorder later
[21:25] <slickymaster> okie dokie
[21:25] <slickymaster> a last thing, do you want me to finish the intro paragraph, also?
[21:26] <knome> definitely ;)
[21:27] <slickymaster> ok
[21:28] <knome> just left it there to make the landing a bit softer for you
[21:29]  * slickymaster will try to do what the cats do, and land on his feet
[21:29] <knome> ;)
[21:29] <knome> it's funny, the higher you fall, the easier that is
[21:30] <knome> but the more it will hurt...
[21:30] <slickymaster> well, no pain... no gain
[21:30] <knome> haha;)
[22:19] <jjfrv8> knome, are you about?
[22:20] <knome> am!
[22:21] <jjfrv8> can you do a PM?
[22:21] <knome> sure
[23:03] <lderan> knome & elfy http://paste.ubuntu.com/6840722/
[23:05] <knome> lderan, ok, good, so what's the next step?
[23:06] <knome> or do we have to be satisfied with that? :)
[23:06] <lderan> :P will see if i can get the stubborn ones to work, tho don't have much hope with onboard and notes as they don't make normal windows.
[23:07] <knome> right, but what about the ones that work?
[23:07] <lderan> and make indivial merge requests for the rest and then begin writing the more complicated tests for the ones we can press buttons in
[23:07] <knome> are we able to extend those, or "is that it"?
[23:08] <lderan> yup we can, we can test the settings manager for the options that open new windows like the main menu settings, but for the ones don't like appearance we can't see if it changes the window's title :(
[23:08] <knome> catfish, mousepad, ristretto, xfce4-* look especially interesting :)
[23:08] <knome> bah
[23:09] <lderan> will keep you updated on discoveries tho
[23:09] <knome> sure
[23:09] <knome> thanks for looking at it
[23:10] <lderan> no problem, apologies for being not more time on it sooner.
[23:10] <knome> nah;)
[23:11] <lderan> spending* I can't type today / ever :P
[23:16] <lderan> right time for the upgrade test


[17:51] <Ilario> Hi all!
[17:52] <Ilario> Today I tried to install Trusty daily on my laptop and on my tower pc. On laptop no problem, on tower the boot process of the live usb (made using unetbootin) hangs.
[17:55] <Ilario> You can see the tower pc specifications here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/1266807
[17:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1266807 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (Ubuntu) "[NV44] Glitches in dash with GeForce 6200 SE TurboCache" [Low,Triaged]
[17:55] <CarlFK> Ilario: did you try the (i forget the exact terms) fail safe boot modes?
[17:56] <infinity> Ilario: Try to dd the iso to the stick instead of using a fancy tool.
[17:56] <Ilario> @CarloFK, ok I'm going to try
[17:57] <Ilario> fancy tool? Unetbootin? Ok...
[17:57] <infinity> Ilario: "sudo dd if=foo.iso of=/dev/sdd BS=4M"
[17:57] <infinity> Where sdd is your USB stick...
[17:57] <infinity> Err, and bs, not BS.
[17:57] <cjwatson> bs rather than BS, I think ..
[17:57] <cjwatson> yeah :)
[17:57] <infinity> My fingers hate me today.
[17:59] <infinity> We really should do a sweep of all USB media creation tools in the archive and add a simple "if not trying to do fancy things like persistence && image is Ubuntu; then just use dd; fi"
[17:59] <infinity> (And, of course, actually fix whatever they do wrong some day too, but given that 99% of people just want a dd image anyway...)
[17:59] <Ilario> lol, btw ok, I'm going to overwrite my usb key with dd, then I'll try again
[18:00] <Ilario> (btw some days ago the daily + unetbootin worked)
[18:00] <ogra_> infinity, the one that did exactly that was ripped out last cycle (usb-imagewriter)
[18:04] <Ilario> In the meanwhile, another question: could the installer install also some ugly but useful package like "linux-firmware-nonfree" when the user checks "Install this third party software" during the installation?
[18:05] <Ilario> (and also some java plugin for firefox?)
[18:11] <Ilario> and another question: shouldn't "account-plugin-irc" be installed by default as it is required to ask for help here?
[18:21] <Ilario> Ok, the usb key made with dd hangs in the same way as did the one made with unetbootin:
[18:21] <Ilario> [5....] Switching to clocksource tsc
[18:22] <Ilario> [17...] random: nonblocking pool in initialized
[18:22] <Ilario> then nothing


[07:04] <otubo> blackboxsw: sorry for the delay, I was on PTO. But I'm not the correct person ton be asked about SELinux :-)
[08:05] <firstofth300> I'm trying to figure out how to merge the network configuration queried from my cloud vendor with a single route that I need to add (to route portions of traffic through a VPN). I have added a network section to my user-data, but it appears to overwrite instead of merge the configs. Is there a way to accomplish adding a route that uses doesn't
[08:05] <firstofth300> involve completely rerendering all of the network data?
[14:24] <rharper> firstofth300: appending/merging networking configuration isn't supported directly in cloud-init.  Depending on the OS and network rendering backend, you can use write_files to write additional network config if you know enough information ahead of time.   On Ubuntu with netplan, you can add an additional yaml file to /etc/netplan/  and reference the same interface
[14:24] <rharper> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FRH67F3HRh/


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 @apt-ghetto [<apt-ghetto> Have a look at the sources, make some changes], I changed a few lines in mimeapps.list and panel.conf now what?
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[17:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rART892a32cb8a21: Bump the version to be partial release-based partial semver-based rather than…] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rART892a32cb8a21
[17:23] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rART396dfc466c47: Change the default wallpaper to the hummingbird rather than the blank Cosmic…] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rART396dfc466c47
[17:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALe9fbd84ea401: Add center runner] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALe9fbd84ea401
[17:34] <tsimonq2> I have a project for someone who is willing.
[17:35] <apt-ghetto> Tell us
[17:36] <tsimonq2> Confirm bug 1814407 in a completely up-to-date Disco system, find the purpose of StartupWMClass in the desktop file specification (probably an XDG specification, should be easy to find), submit a PR to upstream LXQt recognizing it, and cherry-pick the patch.
[17:36] <tsimonq2> It's a bit of a challenge.
[17:36] <tsimonq2> apt-ghetto: Thanks for your contribution to Lubuntu :D https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-artwork/1.9
[17:37] <apt-ghetto> No problem, that's why I am here
 @JyotiGomes The logo fix should be in the dailies within the next few days :D
[17:37] <tsimonq2> :D
[17:38] <apt-ghetto> You have changed the version number. Wouldn't it be better to have this versioning also on all other packages? And is changing the version number as easy as editing the changelog or is there some more magic behind?
[17:39] <tsimonq2> Yup, I'm slowly doing it on all of our native packages.
[17:39] <tsimonq2> And yes, it's as simple as changing the version number in the changelog.
[17:41] <tsimonq2> If you want to go through and do it on all our native packages, you're more than welcome to.
[17:42] <tsimonq2> But in my opinion, bug 1814407 is a bit more high-priority; if you want to do the versions I won't tell you how to use your time, just pointing it out. :)
[17:43] <apt-ghetto> Do you have a list of all native packages?
[17:44] <tsimonq2> I don't, but I think for now it's probably limited to lubuntu-default-settings, calamares-settings-ubuntu, and lubuntu-artwork.
[17:44] <tsimonq2> I could be wrong through.
[17:45] <apt-ghetto> I will look in every repo and then create a task for it
[17:45] <apt-ghetto> this could be also a good starting point for beginner
[17:47] <tsimonq2> Right. :)
[17:47] <tsimonq2> Cool, thanks!
[17:49] <apt-ghetto> Meanwhile I have a look at LP: 1814407
[17:49] <apt-ghetto> Of course anyone else can investigate
[18:22] <apt-ghetto> I am unable to reproduce the bug on an up-to-date 19.04
[18:24] <tsimonq2> Huh. Mind commenting on the bug then?
 @tsimonq2 [@JyotiGomes The logo fix should be in the dailies within the next few days :D], 🙂👍
 Thanks!
 If I start byobu, it runs with QTerminal and starting QTerminal works as expected without byobu
 I have also installed gnome-terminal without negative effects
 I can comment on the bug, but later and I try to reproduce it also on a 18.10
[18:52] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T180: Fix trusted executables AGAIN] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T180#3640
[18:53] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T125: The return of Desktop icons] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T125#3643
[18:53] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T165: use ascending sort order in pcmanfm-qt] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T165#3647
[19:06] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALd96fea9a31c9: Add reset button] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALd96fea9a31c9
[19:17] <tsimonq2> Another task for someone who knows C++ well enough to wrap their head around this. So, QTerminal, when right-clicking on a link, used to just automatically hide the option to either Open Link or Copy Link Address. Now it's fixed, but there's spontaneous crashes with the patch fixing it, so it was reverted upstream. We still carry the patch in Disco.
[19:17] <tsimonq2> You can find the patches in our qtermwidget and qterminal packaging.
[19:18] <tsimonq2> Here's what needs to happen:
[19:18] <tsimonq2>  1. Someone needs to find a way to reliably reproduce it. I can do it with irssi in my terminal when there's a bunch of text.
[19:19] <tsimonq2>  2. Use something like gdb and the debug symbols for Qt and both QTerminal and QTermWidget to find where the problem is occurring.
[19:19] <tsimonq2>  3. Figure out why the problem is happening and fix it in our patches.
[19:19] <tsimonq2> I'll create a task for it in a bit, but it's also a little complex.
[19:24] <tsimonq2> Oh, and another task, someone should evaluate whether or not we need to cherry-pick this into Disco: https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-sudo/pull/102
[19:27] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T182: Fix QTerminal Crashing] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T182
[19:28] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T183: Evaluate whether XAUTHLOCALHOSTNAME is needed] tsimonq2 (Simon Quigley) just created this task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T183
[19:34] <tsimonq2> And oh yeah, as said in T33, someone should verify sitter's testing instructions for OEM.
[19:35]  * tsimonq2 kicks lugito
[19:35] <tsimonq2> T33
[19:35] <tsimonq2> ...Bueller?
[19:35] <tsimonq2> https://phab.lubuntu.me/T33
[19:35] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Wishlist, Open] Configure OEM: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T33
[19:35] <tsimonq2> Theeere.
[21:41] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T183: Evaluate whether XAUTHLOCALHOSTNAME is needed] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T183#3672
 @tsimonq2 To test  LP: 1814407 should I install Ubuntu (Gnome) 18.10 and then install the lubuntu-desktop on top of that?
[22:11] <apt-ghetto> @kc2bez Wait a moment. I am writing a comment, which should help you testing it
 Ok, thanks.
[22:13] <apt-ghetto> Done
[22:17] <apt-ghetto> kc2bez, is my comment understandable?
[22:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLUBUNTUARTWORKARCHIVE9299c3fda16c: DSC file for 1.9] Diffusion committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLUBUNTUARTWORKARCHIVE9299c3fda16c
[22:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLUBUNTUARTWORKARCHIVE56c0f57d5aa8: Import patches-unapplied version 1.9 to ubuntu/disco-proposed] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLUBUNTUARTWORKARCHIVE56c0f57d5aa8
[22:18] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rLUBUNTUARTWORKARCHIVEe2f0deda7440: Import patches-applied version 1.9 to applied/ubuntu/disco-proposed] apt-ghetto (apt-ghetto) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rLUBUNTUARTWORKARCHIVEe2f0deda7440
[22:21] <kc2bez> It makes sense to me. I suspect it was resolved in https://github.com/lxqt/libfm-qt/commit/9af480812bdef4a7cca7db7416b24d96b179ebf1 Which is related to https://phab.lubuntu.me/T170 and now in LXQt 0.14.0
[22:21] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [Medium, Open] properly launch desktop entries in terminal: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T170


[02:33] <mfisch> wcchandler: there'a a Colorado Loco
[02:33] <mfisch> and Colorado is home to System 76
[02:34] <mfisch> and about 10+ Canonical employees as well as some Red Hat ones
[02:34] <mfisch> just to name the ones I know here in Ft Collins


[00:03] <z0x1c> chrisccoulson: Wow, great news! Thank you for your continued efforts!
[00:15] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ugh, normally the copy archives are scored below everything else, I guess doko needs it done before beta freeze so we can try to fix as much stuff as possible for beta
[20:56] <BUGabundo> boas noites


[03:42] <nigelb> This etherpad thing is completely screwing wwith my inbox :)
[03:43] <nigelb> Also, morning!
[03:45] <pleia2> at least you were warned :)
[03:46] <pleia2> I didn't know until cjohnston told me tonight that I was supposed to be helping :P
[03:46] <nigelb> pleia2: :D
[03:47] <nigelb> pleia2: Did I get voluntold for UW?
[03:47] <pleia2> yes you did
[03:47] <pleia2> :)
[03:47] <nigelb> \o/
[03:47] <nigelb> Sorry I missed the session
[03:47] <nigelb> 3 hours of sleep got to me. I got up now after 9 hours of sleep :)
[03:47] <pleia2> you've worked with audreyr so we gave you the python mentoring collaboration stuffs
[03:47] <pleia2> yay sleep
[03:48] <nigelb> cool :)
[03:48] <nigelb> Is the party over?
[03:49] <pleia2> yeah, it was only a 2 hour thing
[03:49] <nigelb> ah
[03:50] <nigelb> Ok, akgraner *is* a legend.
[03:50] <nigelb> I see UWN in my inbox!
[03:50] <pleia2> yeah :)
[03:50] <nigelb> Cheers to News team :)
[03:51] <pleia2> we got the summaries done early so there wouldn't be a ton to do today
[03:51] <nigelb> Nice
[03:52] <nigelb> Well, as usual, we did a summit bug fix yesterday ^-^
[03:55] <pleia2> is there a publicly accessible read-only link to the etherpad notes?
[03:55] <nigelb> without joining the team?
[03:55] <nigelb> No :(
[03:55] <nigelb> We'll have to move it to the BPs
[03:55] <pleia2> ok, I just copied the text into pages on my people.ubuntu.com page for my blog post
[07:07] <nigelb> Morning AlanBell ;)
[07:07] <nigelb> (My inbox says you're awake)
[07:08] <nigelb> (and spamming :P)
[07:41] <AlanBell> morning
[07:42] <AlanBell> nigelb: can we get the room audio links populated in summit?
[07:42] <nigelb> AlanBell: I would love to. I needs Jorge, Mike or Chris.
[07:43] <AlanBell> so jcastro: mhall119: or cjohnston: could populate the room icecast links, that would be awesome :)
[07:43] <nigelb> If someone gives me access, I'm happy to. But I don't have access :)
[07:44] <AlanBell> me too
[07:44] <nigelb> I changed the icecast url to point to the right page lst evening.
[07:44] <nigelb> so glad jorge gave me that access ^-^
[07:45] <AlanBell> I was out in London yesterday evening, will catch up on some audio from tumbleweeds stream captures
[07:45] <nigelb> Yeah, I missed half the keynote :(
[07:45] <nigelb> My boss called me into a meeting right in the middle of it.
[07:46] <AlanBell> http://mirrors.tumbleweed.org.za/uds-p/
[07:46] <AlanBell> I would kind of like to integrate the audio into the meetings page
[07:46] <nigelb> Really need to find tumbleweed and give him a hug :)
[07:46] <nigelb> AlanBell: Propose in the summit session.
[07:47] <AlanBell> so below the etherpad have a play button that streams from tumbleweed's captures
[07:47] <nigelb> I'm currently hacking on LP for summit.
[07:47] <AlanBell> right, school run o/
[07:51] <alourie> good morning
[08:33] <inetpro> nigelb: you can find tumbleweed at #ubuntu-za
[08:33] <nigelb> inetpro: I meant in real life :)
[08:34] <inetpro> nigelb: ahh :-)
[08:59] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:59] <nigelb> Morning czajkowski
[09:00] <czajkowski> hi
[09:00] <AlanBell> you need to stay up later partying czajkowski
[09:00] <nigelb> heh
[09:00] <czajkowski> AlanBell: my back was so fecked
[09:00] <AlanBell> :(
[09:03] <nigelb> :(
[09:03] <nigelb> Ok, late lunch for me. Laters.
[09:57] <cjohnston> uggh
[09:59] <AlanBell> sup?
[10:00] <cjohnston> im up... :-/
[10:03] <czajkowski> cjohnston: me too
[10:03] <czajkowski> what's your excuse
[10:04] <cjohnston> czajkowski: i have to drive
[10:04] <czajkowski> hows Hope?
[10:04] <cjohnston> good
[10:47] <nigelb> Mornin popey!
[10:55] <Pendulum> morning
[10:59] <nigelb> Morning Pendulum
[11:02] <czajkowski> Pendulum: morning
[11:06] <czajkowski> Pendulum: popey breakie ?
[11:08] <Pendulum> czajkowski: when do you want to go?
[11:09] <czajkowski> Pendulum: when ever you fancy
[11:09] <czajkowski> cjohnston: whats your ETA ?
[11:09] <AlanBell> are you two sat in the same room?
[11:09] <nigelb> obviously IRC is a better choice.
[11:11] <Pendulum> AlanBell: 2bedroom villa :D
[11:11] <cjohnston> 15-20 depending on traffic
[11:11] <jussi> czajkowski: you got the same villa as last time?
[11:11] <jussi> that was pretty much a mansion
[11:12] <Pendulum> jussi: yeah
[11:13] <czajkowski> Pendulum: 7:45 ish ?
[11:13] <czajkowski> or ;ater
[11:13] <czajkowski> I've had some taffey to k eep me going
[11:13] <nigelb> what exactly is taffey?
[11:13] <nigelb> Chocolate?
[11:14] <jussi> taffey <3
[11:14] <jussi> nigelb: no
[11:17] <Pendulum> nigelb: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taffy_%28candy%29 specifically, czajkowski has http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_water_taffy
[11:18] <nigelb> Interesting
[11:18] <nigelb> mhall119: Btw, apparently you broke ical spec.
[11:19] <nigelb> *apparently*
[11:19] <popey> brekkie o'clock
[11:21] <jussi> ScottL: enjoying UDS?
[11:22] <ScottL> jussi, yes, very much!  but the first day was exhausting
[11:22] <nigelb> ScottL: Everyday is :)
[11:22] <Pendulum> ScottL: you're here?
[11:22] <ScottL> Pendulum, aye
[11:23] <czajkowski> he is indeed
[11:25] <Pendulum> ScottL: you do work on Ubuntu Studio, right?
[11:30] <Pendulum> ScottL: Ubuntu Studio got a mention in Designing & Creating Ubuntu experiences if you didn't hear about it so I"m not sure if you want to look at the notes from yesterday and see if it's something y'all might have a group that wants to possibly work on
[11:30] <cjohnston> czajkowski, I'm here
[11:30] <czajkowski> ok
[11:30] <Pendulum> czajkowski: I'm ready to go whenever you want
[11:31] <czajkowski> ok m,e too
[11:33] <ScottL> doh, missed pendulum while talking to roommate :(
[11:34] <ScottL> oooh, i will certainly look at the notes from that meeting though!
[11:54] <popey> czajkowski: you missed, i had bacon and syrup for brekkie :D
[13:05] <czajkowski> popey: did you like it
[13:57] <alourie> hello
[13:57] <alourie> who is in charge of video.ubuntu.com/live ?
[13:59] <cjohnston> alourie: IS
[13:59] <alourie> cjohnston: what is IS ?
[14:00] <alourie> :-) sorry for this, I just really don't know
[14:00] <cjohnston> a section of employees
[14:00] <cjohnston> whats the problem
[14:03] <alourie> cjohnston: none, I just had an epiphany moment about it's usabilty
[14:03] <alourie> usability that is
[14:04] <cjohnston> you can pass it on in #canonical-sysadmins
[14:04] <alourie> cjohnston: ah, that's what I was looking for, thanks :-)
[14:10] <czajkowski> we;re having a mini loco council meeting
[14:11] <czajkowski> and working on our action items :D
[14:11] <cjohnston> AlanBell: happy?
[14:12] <AlanBell> err, always happy
[14:12] <AlanBell> about anything specific?
[14:12] <cjohnston> summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/today
[14:13] <AlanBell> icecast urls \o/
[14:13] <AlanBell> perfect
[14:13] <AlanBell> thanks
[14:13] <cjohnston> can you please check them all and make sure they are good
[14:53] <nigelb> cjohnston: Thanks for the icecast urls :)
[14:59] <AlanBell> urls look good, and they turn up on the per-session notes page below the pad too
[14:59] <nigelb> \o/
[14:59] <nigelb> UNDERUSED FEATURE!
[14:59] <AlanBell> thats why I wanted them populated :)
[15:17]  * bkerensa has to do maintenance on a CentOS server today.. Oh joy for yum
[15:23] <czajkowski> aloha
[15:26] <czajkowski> http://lococouncil.ubuntu.com/2011/11/01/loco-council-oneiric-cycle-review/
[15:29] <czajkowski> pleia2: can you give that some tweet love
[15:29] <czajkowski> please
[15:32] <pleia2> 08:32:38 <@root> twitter - Error: HTTP error: 403 Forbidden (sharing is not permissable for this status (Share validations failed))
[15:32] <pleia2> your tweets are private?
[15:34] <pleia2> rted the @planetubuntu one
[15:35] <czajkowski> pleia2: aye thanks
[15:40] <bkerensa> :P
[16:24] <czajkowski> mhall119: got stats resolved
[16:24] <czajkowski> you're gonna be getting the ingo
[16:24] <czajkowski> and then we get the stuff minius ip from you
[17:50] <mhall119> okay
[18:12] <czajkowski> :-)
[19:54] <jcastro> AlanBell: what project do I file a bug for the etherpad for?
[19:55] <AlanBell> depends on the bug
[19:55] <AlanBell> is it in etherpad or summit?
[19:56] <AlanBell> jcastro: in fact, the only sane place on launchpad to file it is summit
[19:57] <cjohnston> but if its etherpad, its not against summit
[19:57] <jcastro> AlanBell: I want to file a bug for social buttons on the etherpad page
[19:57] <jcastro> so I can +1 my session notes, etc.
[19:58] <AlanBell> summit :)
[19:58] <cjohnston> jcastro: make sure you submit the code with the bug
[19:59] <AlanBell> jcastro: great suggestion and will absolutely get that in for -q


[00:19] <KenErwin> Does anyone know if there's a way to have MAAS provision baremetal servers, then have them boot from local disk instead of PXE?
[00:19] <KenErwin> We have a requirement that some of our servers can be restarted without being re-provisioned :(
[00:21] <pmatulis> KenErwin, all machines should remain in PXE mode
[00:23] <KenErwin> For us though, we have about 800 MS SQL servers that we would be provisioning.  Once they've been provisioned, they'll need to keep their state
[00:23] <KenErwin> :(
[00:23] <KenErwin> so for restarts etc. it can't re-commission them.  Also the company wants to make sure that even if MAAS goes down, they could restart safely
[00:24] <KenErwin> is that impossible with MAAS?
[00:25] <blahdeblah> KenErwin: If a machine is provisioned, when it boots from PXE, MAAS will detect that and tell it to boot from local disk
[00:25] <blahdeblah> And if MAAS is down, it should fall back to local disk after PXE fails
[00:25] <blahdeblah> i.e. The scenario you've described should be fine with leaving servers on PXE, assuming people don't go in and change their deployed status in the console.
[00:26] <blahdeblah> KenErwin: You could protect against that by having a local script change the boot order after deployment is complete, if you want to be sure, though.
[00:26] <KenErwin> that's great news!  Thank you very much!
[00:27] <blahdeblah> KenErwin: In my test env, I just leave the boxes in PXE mode all the time, but I can understand why you might want to change that for production database servers. :-)
[00:27] <KenErwin> :D ty again.  Yep, the DBA team might kill me
[06:22] <mup> Bug #1661869 changed: maas install fails inside of a 16.04 lxd container due to avahi problems <maas-at-home> <MAAS:Invalid> <avahi (Ubuntu):Confirmed for lathiat> <lxd (Ubuntu):Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1661869>
[10:11] <David_Orange> Hello MAAS experts, i am trying to work with maas 2.1.3+bzr5573 APIs and I have an issue with Authentication.
[10:12] <David_Orange> I am using a https://maas.ubuntu.com/docs2.0/api_authentication.html slightly modified version(http://paste.ubuntu.com/23953461/)
[10:13] <David_Orange> but i got an error: 'Unrecognised signature: method=GET op=list'. Any help would be welcome, Thanks
[10:46] <brendand> David_Orange, i wrote a blog post about using the API, the code i use is a little simpler - https://maastery.wordpress.com/2016/10/17/maas-rest-python-requests/
[10:47] <brendand> David_Orange, feedback would be appreciated, it might get upgraded to official documentation if people like it
[10:48] <David_Orange> brendand: thanks. I check that and give you my feedback
[10:51] <brendand> David_Orange, as for your error, i think that endpoint may be out of date unfortunately. our documentation needs a bit more tidying
[10:56] <David_Orange> found a few errors in request.get call, it would suggest:
[10:56] <David_Orange> brendand:
[10:56] <David_Orange> url = 'http://mymaas.com:5240/MAAS/api/2.0/machines/'
[10:56] <David_Orange> response = requests.get(url, headers=get_auth_headers(url, apikey))
[10:57] <David_Orange> missing url parameter unget_auth_headers and a finish ')'
[10:57] <David_Orange> brendand: got the same error " signature: method=GET op=list'
[10:58] <David_Orange> brendand: you suggest that it is a problem of sync between client and server ?
[10:59] <brendand> David_Orange, can you paste the whole code you're running, obviously without your api key (you can replace that with <apikey>)
[10:59] <brendand> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[11:00] <David_Orange> brendand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23953623/
[11:03] <brendand> David_Orange, delete line 13 first of all
[11:03] <brendand> but it probably doesn't really affect anything
[11:04] <brendand> the main problem is that /nodes/?op=list is not available anymore
[11:04] <brendand> if you want to get a list of machines, just use '/machines/' as the uri
[11:05] <David_Orange> great :)
[11:06] <David_Orange> brendand: you found it
[11:06] <David_Orange> brendand: it was due to the old uri
[11:07] <David_Orange> brendand: if i can +1 you code to the doc, let me know :)
[11:09] <David_Orange> brendand: do you know if there is any swagger description of the maas api ?
[11:10] <brendand> David_Orange, no, there isn't but the api description is there in the docs
[11:10] <David_Orange> brendand: ok, thanks for your help
[11:12]  * brendand files a bug to get that fixed
[11:29] <mup> Bug #1662852 opened: Machines configured with non-MAAS IPMI credentials do not commission <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1662852>
[11:29] <mup> Bug #1662854 opened: API authentication docs page refers to old API endpoint <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1662854>
[16:41] <mup> Bug #1662946 opened: MTU is not set correctly on VLAN if raw device is unconfigured <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1662946>
[16:41] <mup> Bug #1662948 opened: MTU is not set correctly on VLAN if raw device is unconfigured <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1662948>
[17:47] <Fl1nt_> Hi guys!
[17:48] <Fl1nt_> Ok, quick question, is there any canonical guys over there?
[17:49] <pmatulis> Fl1nt_, this is a technical channel. do you have a technical question? if so, just ask it
[17:52] <Fl1nt_> pmatulis: sort of, not really a technical one, but a pretty important one for our current project
[17:53] <Fl1nt_> On another topic, regarding a technical question, is there a plan to provide maas as snaps?
[17:54] <roaksoax> Fl1nt_: there is, we are working on them. We are pretty close
[17:54] <Fl1nt_> roaksoax: Ok, very good news :D lovin it
[17:55] <Fl1nt_> I've another request but this one need to be talked privately as it's on the name of my company and can't yet be publicly exposed, that why I was looking for a canonical dev/representative.
[17:57] <pmatulis> Fl1nt_, perhaps i can find someone in the canonical support organization?
[18:00] <Fl1nt_> pmatulis: That would be cool, many thanks
[18:23] <Fl1nt_> Thanks a lot to both of you pmatulis and roaksoax, I've got to go, see you soon!
[19:48] <mup> Bug #1663008 opened: [2.2] There's no way to select what interfaces MAAS binds to <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1663008>
[19:51] <mup> Bug #1663008 changed: [2.2] There's no way to select what interfaces MAAS binds to <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1663008>
[19:57] <mup> Bug #1663008 opened: [2.2] There's no way to select what interfaces MAAS binds to <MAAS:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1663008>
[22:01] <iwi> hi there, could anyone share some info where does maas serve tftp from? I need to server a file over tftp but i'm struggling where should i put it :/