[00:26] <sixwheeledbeast> I'd be interested how well hibernate works if that is the case.
[00:28] <mate|19779> hi
[00:28] <mate|19779> I am new to ubuntu mate it looks good
[00:29] <mate|19779> i am thinking of moving to Linux based OS from Windows
[00:29] <mate|19779> I am an IT Pro
[00:29] <randall> cool
[00:29] <mate|19779> coming from Microsoft based background but moving into Cisco networking
[00:30] <mate|19779> I need a divorce from Microsoft
[00:30] <randall> micrisift joined the linux foundation you know
[00:30] <mate|19779> good for them....lol
[00:30] <randall> *microsoft
[00:30] <mate|19779> the whole cortana thing freaks me out lol
[00:31] <mate|19779> i need to at least adopt Ubuntu for my personal computing
[00:31] <mate|19779> may be run a VM windows machine for work
[00:40] <randall> could work
[00:41] <randall> I got amazon's "cortana" on my tablet now
[00:45] <jack_> its not as hard as people make it out to be
[00:54] <randall> I adopted linux for pure financial reasons, I was running 32 bit vista on a 64 bit machine and couldn't afford an os upgrade, but 64 bit mint 12 was free,so.....
[00:59] <jack_> lol agreed
[00:59] <jack_> windows is not worth the cost in my opinion
[01:00] <jack_> it gets viruses and melware to easy but you pay for and in linux its free and your more then likely not going to get a virus or melware
[01:01] <randall> linux malware is something you gotta be teatering on the edge of real smart and real stupid to get infected
[01:02] <randall> and prety much all the linux malwares get neutered on the next kernel update
[01:04] <jack_> can you tell how i turn the barking off xD
[01:04] <jack_> i have never seen a Linux distro do that
[01:05] <randall> go into ther pauv and mute system sounds
[01:08] <jack_> thanks
[01:08] <randall> yep
[01:09] <jack_> I thought is was kind of funny -\]\\\\\\\\\\\]\\
[01:09] <jack_> ]]]]\\\\\\\\\\\\\
[01:10] <randall> you ok man?
[01:10] <jack_> some thing got stuck in my keyboard xD
[01:10] <randall> lawl
[01:12] <jack_> does ps4 controller work on mate?
[01:14] <randall> I believe so, you may need a special driver like xboxdrv for the 360 game pad
[01:16] <randall> no wait, ps4 is bluetooth,, it might just work out of the box
[01:35] <jack_> can i use usb to hook in my desktop does not have blue tooth
[01:42] <randall> give it a try
[01:42] <randall> but bluetooth dongles are generally cheaper than wifi dongles these days
[01:44] <randall> and bluetooth headphones...this pair are not only the best quality sounding headphones I ever had,, but there's no wires for the cat to bite in half to boot
[01:45] <jack_> lol
[01:47] <randall> if it's not to big a shock to the old wallet, the commercial for the new beats bluetooth headphones touts 40 hours listening time
[02:02] <jack_> never used beats before
[02:04] <randall> same
[02:27] <jack_> should games that work for regular Ubuntu work on mate?
[02:27] <jack_> from steam
[02:30] <randall> yes, steam games with linux support just work,, steam takes care of the dirty work
[02:31] <jack_> that is awesome
[02:32] <jack_> you play any games?
[02:32] <jack_> from steam that are on-line?
[02:34] <randall> no actual good online games for linux on steam sadly
[02:34] <randall> I play sso in wine though
[02:35] <randall> ddo
[02:35] <jack_> you should check out Insurgency if you like FPS
[02:36] <jack_> its on steam for 2$
[02:37] <randall> not a big online fps fan, or moba, or anything pvp, guess I'm just not that competitive
[02:42] <jack_> I wish they would do it for fall out 4 and skyrim xD
[02:43] <randall> yeah, the good folks at bethesda used dx10 for fallout 4 and skyrim se
[02:43] <randall> wine only supports dx9
[02:43] <jack_> I know x(
[02:44] <jack_> and they did not port it to linux on steam
[02:44] <randall> zenemax as a whole has taken so many huge dumps pn the linux community that we may never get that smell out of the fabrics
[02:44] <jack_> most not think theres enough money to be made to be worth the time
[02:45] <jack_> zenemax?
[02:45] <randall> every id game either has been ported to linux, or could be,, and zenemax made all that just "go away"
[02:46] <randall> zenemax is the parent company of bethesda and id
[02:47] <randall> even their dos based games pre-morrowind could effortlessly be given a dosbox wrapper and released to us penguins, but they haven't
[02:49] <randall> doom 1,2,3 all are all not only possible in linux but already done, by someone else, but not officially from zenemax/bethesda/ud
[02:49] <randall> doom 2016 is already in vulcan, before that was opengl
[02:51] <jack_> the new doom made by them was made in linux i think
[02:53] <randall> not publicly available in linux though
[02:54] <jack_> what xD
[02:55] <randall> I firmly believe had ID still been independant, all things doom would be available as linux ports
[02:55] <randall> zenemax by virtue of action has pretty much given the finger to linux
[02:55] <az> hello, I do not see partitions in my sidepanel any more in file browser
[02:56] <randall> are they mounted?
[02:56] <jack_> they make the game in linux and don't let people on linux play it garbage
[02:56] <az> I do not recall doing any change to settings. randall they are not mounted but they were showing before so I can mount them easily
[02:56] <randall> youd'd be suprised what's made in linux and only released in windows
[02:57] <jack_> hmm
[02:57] <randall> brb
[02:57] <jack_> you have gparted?
[02:57] <jack_> so we can tell if there mounted or not
[02:59] <az> jack_, they are not mounted I'm sure, they do not get mounted tell I request it
[02:59] <jack_> just making sure
[02:59] <az> I have gparted it's opening now
[03:00] <jack_> you sure you didnt run a bad command and repartition them by mistake?
[03:00] <az> I hope so
[03:03] <az> they are there
[03:09] <jack_> but there no in devices
[03:09] <jack_> not
[03:09] <jack_> try rebooting
[03:09] <jack_> see if that fixes it
[03:10] <az> well, one reason to get linux is not to reboot. I do not think this will fix it
[03:10] <az> I did reboot this morning
[03:11] <jack_> where they there before you did reboot?
[03:12] <randall> true, the only reason a linux machine should ever have to reboot would be a kernel update
[03:13] <randall> I went nearly a month once
[03:13] <az> jack_, no
[03:14] <jack_> I dont like leaving my computer on that can cause ram bleeding or is that6 just windows thing
[03:14] <randall> just windows
[03:15] <jack_> dude thanks for telling me that
[03:16] <az> in linux if there is a problem you can get to the source of it. because it's not a trade secret. thus debugging issues and getting to the source of the problem should be welcomed
[03:17] <jack_> i really dont know why it will not show his partitions in the file browser
[03:17] <Artemis3> randall, in any case skyrim runs just fine with wine
[03:18] <randall> Artemis3, vanilla skyrim does
[03:20] <jack_> can you mod it?
[03:20] <jack_> and it still run
[03:24] <randall> jack_, if you mod skyrim in wine you're playing russian roulette, there's no boos or loot
[03:25] <randall> boss
[03:40] <jack_> damn
[03:40] <jack_> why x(
[03:40] <jack_> its one of the best parts of skyrim
[03:40] <randall> boss used to work, but became defunct, loot never worked
[03:41] <randall> and besides the workshop, to my knowklege there are no functioning mod organizors
[03:42] <randall> O'm sure Artemis3 could correct me if I'm mistaken
[03:44] <randall> I'm not certian if you can alt-tab out if you use a virtual desktop, never occurred to me to test it
[03:45] <randall> tbh if I had a console that played skyrim I'd be doing that instead of compromising in wine
[03:55] <jack_> i have windows on another SSD
[03:56] <jack_> just paranoid  its infected with melware that the anti virus cant find
[03:56] <jack_> cuss it ran fine on the net when i first built my desk top now it is strangely slow
[03:57] <randall> well, normally I'd duggrsy clamav, but how to get it to scan a different drive? that kind of console sorcery is beyond my understanding
[03:57] <randall> *suggest
[03:58] <jack_> you have to have it dual booted with windows
[03:59] <jack_> I dont think you can scan another drive
[03:59] <jack_> clam AV open source?
[04:02] <jack_> i may be wrong about the dual boot thing i just dont see why you cant cuss you can get to your windows files when dual booted
[04:03] <randall> clam av is opensource, it's to my knowlege the only antivirus available in linux
[04:34] <az> randall, the only open source antivirus available for linux maybe, but not there are multiple commercial options too
[04:38] <randall> az, he said he's tooparanoid to boot into his windows drive,, so linux av would be the only option
[05:04] <az> I do not know if I got you clearly but what I meant to say is that there are commercial antivirus applications for linux
[05:08] <odroid> I've installed odoo ver 10 on odroid c2 running mate 16.04.  How do I find the physical path to the webserver that odoo is using?
[05:09] <odroid> Wanting to use the webserver for sites in addition to odoo.
[05:10] <odroid> To access the odoo server, I enter localhost:8069 in the address bar of my browser
[06:02] <redmatria> Hi
[06:02] <redmatria> "The solution (so they say) is to set the monitor brightness level to 100% thus preventing any possible screen flicker from the DC modulation and instead adjust the brightness and contrast levels in your GPU settings."
[06:02] <redmatria> Do you know how to adjust this using Ubuntu MATE?
[06:07] <stickybranches> Hello! :D
[06:08] <stickybranches> I'd just like to say, I've been rocking Ubuntu 16.04 LTS for a while (old Arch user) and it has been a joyful experience! Thank you Martin Wimpress and his crew! Also thank you Canonical! :D
[06:15] <redmatria> www.testufo.com/blurtrail#foreground=FFFFFF&background=000000&thickness=1&height=480&ppf=64&separation=1000
[06:15] <redmatria> Do you see multiple lines here?
[06:46] <mate|10185> Hi
[06:47] <mate|10185> thanks for the community for such a great distro
[06:47] <mate|10185> im using ubuntu mate 16.04
[06:47] <mate|10185> can i upgrade mate to 1.16 version
[06:48] <mate|10185> currently battery backup is great. Will upgrading mate cause any issues
[06:48] <mate|10185> ?/
[06:55] <mate|10185> Sorry for asking such questions
[06:55] <mate|10185> But I am looking for stability
[06:56] <mate|10185> I saw that some bugs were ironed out in 1.16, thats the reason i'm askng
[07:02] <mate|10185> wow thanks!
[07:19] <redmatria> I am also looking for a new monitor that is very easy on my eyes.
[07:19] <redmatria> My current one bugs my eyes. Apparently a low haze or glossy screen can reduce eye strain.
[07:28]  * randall suggests redshift
[07:38] <redmatria> Funnily I use Ubuntu MATE and am quite a heavy mate drinker, probably like most of our best coders.
[07:41] <redmatria> I'm looking for a GLOSSY monitor. Why are these so rare nowadays?
[07:47] <redmatria> I found this thread on glossy screens. https://hardforum.com/threads/the-new-glossy-ah-ips-dell-s2415h.1836144/
[07:48] <redmatria> I had a glossy NEC screen years back. It was beautiful.
[08:51] <kiwi_> hi... i just installed the mate desktop packages on ubuntu 16.04. But the display manager (login) shows no option for choosing a MATE seesion. any ideas?
[09:27] <javier_> Hola
[09:28] <javier_> Necesito ayuda. no encuentro la aplicación escritor de discos
[09:33] <ouroumov> !es | javier_
[09:38] <javier_> gracias
[15:22] <sudosundu> Hello!
[15:22] <sudosundu> Will ubuntu mate 16.04 get mate 1.16
[15:23] <sudosundu> I mean like 1.14 upgrade?
[15:26] <Akuli> i have no idea. do you need mate 1.16?
[15:26] <sudosundu> yes
[18:04] <mate|91613> Anyone else having problems getting Virtualbox to work?
[18:06] <nomic> y doesn't it work
[18:06] <nomic> does it not work with a specific iso
[18:06] <nomic> virtualbox works
[18:07] <Akuli> mate|91613, what do you want to run in virtualbox and how are you trying to do that?
[18:08] <mate|91613> Ubuntu Mate 16.10 ... I run "apt-get install virtualbox" ... and there is error:  modprobe vboxdrv failed. Please use 'dmesg' to find out why
[18:09] <Akuli> hmm
[18:09] <Akuli> ok
[18:09] <Akuli> virtualbox does all kinds of weird stuff when you install it, you could try qemu instead but i have no experience with it
[18:11] <nomic> use synaptic to install virtualbox
[18:11] <nomic> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[18:11] <nomic> then search for virtualbox
[18:11] <nomic> app is 'virtualbox-ose'
[18:11] <nomic>  .. install
[18:11] <nomic> virtualbox works
[18:12] <Akuli> nomic, he quit already and synaptic wouldn't make a difference at all
[19:07] <odroid> nick
[19:12] <ubuntu-mate_> Just checking if this is working. MAC PPC G5 live CD running. Anyone confirm reading this?
[19:13] <ubuntu-mate_> Seems stable to me. I guess I'll go ahead with the install. Thought I would see if there were any other PPC users
[19:18] <jack> is there a way to set your background to change pictures like in windows
[19:18] <jack> i don't remember what you call it xD
[19:20] <merlin_> hello
[19:21] <jack> whats up
[19:21] <merlin_> i have a little problem
[19:21] <jack> tell me about it
[19:21] <jack> I may be of some assistance
[19:22] <merlin_> i have a bluetooth icon behind my wlan on my PC but i dont have a bluetooth-card
[19:22] <jack> so is saying you have blue tooth on?
[19:23] <merlin_> with out bluetooth support
[19:23] <jack> hmm
[19:24] <jack> so you want that blue tooth mark to go away correct?
[19:24] <merlin_> i can exit it but after restart it comes agian
[19:24] <merlin_> yes
[19:25] <jack> could try restarting Xorg might fix it
[19:26] <jack> you mess with any files as root?
[19:26] <jack> sudo is root if you dont know that
[19:26] <merlin_> i have just new installed for 10 min
[19:27] <jack> o ok
[19:27] <jack> just asking man xD
[19:27] <jack> or girl idk
[19:27] <jack> hold on a sec
[19:27] <merlin_> ok
[19:29] <jack> still there
[19:29] <merlin_> yes
[19:30] <jack> try this
[19:30] <jack> sudo service lightdm restart and see if that fixes it
[19:30] <jack> dont freak out its going to make your screen go black for a sec xD
[19:31] <jack> and if your doing any thing save it first
[19:31] <Akuli> if he wants to get rid of that icon he could just remove blueman...
[19:31] <jack> true
[19:32] <jack> first thing i thought to try man
[19:32] <jack> what i i use to do on regular ubuntu when some thing on the GUI messed up
[19:32] <Akuli> ubuntu-mate_, yes, we see it. i have an imac g3 :)
[19:33] <Akuli> 256mb of ram, so i wouldn't be able to run 16.04 with a gui on it :)
[19:34] <merlin_> back here agian the some fucking problem
[19:34] <jack> tell him how to take off blueman
[19:34] <Akuli> merlin_, sudo apt-get remove blueman
[19:35] <Akuli> that should be all it takes to get rid of the bluetooth icon :)
[19:36] <merlin_> ok i restart and then come back
[19:37] <Akuli> does it need a reboot? maybe it does
[19:37] <jack> hey Akuli do you know how to set up the back round where it loops through a few different pictures
[19:37] <jack> or can mate not do that
[19:37] <jack> and it happens every time he reboots
[19:37] <Akuli> one way is to just write a shell script that sets it every 30 minutes or whatever
[19:37] <Akuli> oh
[19:38] <jack> it work
[19:38] <Akuli> if that's what he wants he can just make a script and add it in the autostart application thing
[19:38] <Akuli> like a script that chooses a random file
[19:38] <jack> what who wants
[19:39] <jack> merlin?
[19:39] <merlin_> its dont come back the service are removed?
 hey Akuli do you know how to set up the back round where it loops through a few different pictures
[19:39] <Akuli> merlin_, should be
[19:40] <merlin_> my ubuntu-mate start slowly is this normal
[19:40] <Akuli> jack, i would do this http://dpaste.com/15PSD8H
[19:40] <Akuli> merlin_, how slowly?
[19:40] <Akuli> 14.04 might be faster because it uses upstart instead of systemd
[19:41] <merlin_> first grapfic fail than black screen than grey screnn then logon screen
[19:41] <merlin_> i have a hdd
[19:41] <merlin_> no sdd
[19:41] <Akuli> which of those steps is slow?
[19:41] <merlin_> black screen
[19:42] <Akuli> how many seconds is the gray screen there? like roughly
[19:42] <Akuli> 5 or 20 or 60
[19:42] <merlin_> 5 grey 20 black grapic fail 10
[19:42] <merlin_> i have a gtx 960
[19:43] <jack> what driver do you have installed?
[19:43] <Akuli> do you have a menu that allows you to choose an operating system when you start?
[19:44] <merlin_> yyour means grub no i have only installed ubuntu-m and it makes diffrent i use nivida driver, with x.org is the same problem
[19:45] <Akuli> yes, i mean grub. does it display a menu?
[19:45] <merlin_> no
[19:45] <Akuli> ok
[19:46] <merlin_> no memory test nothing
[19:46] <jack> has it done this sense you installed?
[19:49] <merlin_> I have the system with the automatic wizard, as the partitioning takes over, offline, the image got and updates and made so
[19:50] <jack> hmm
[19:54] <merlin_> 16.04 LTS with Kernel 4.4.0-57-generic the x64 with mate 1.12.1 desktop 8 GB RAM AMD-FX 6300 and NVIDIA GTX 960
[19:57] <merlin_> Toshiba Hard Drive, Gigabyte Mainborad,
[19:57] <jack> SSD?
[19:57] <merlin_> no HDD#
[19:58] <merlin_> old school mechanical Hard Drive SATA 3 1 TB
[19:59] <merlin_> I knows the sdds are much faster
[19:59] <merlin_> but much expensiver
[20:00] <jack> I have two xD
[20:00] <jack> and they are
[20:00] <merlin_> i was a windows nerd
[20:02] <jack> never really had windows to use it
[20:02] <jack> when i did i took it off the lap top i got cuss it was slow af
[20:03] <merlin_> Windows are better for players
[20:03] <merlin_> but i dont play anymore
[20:03] <jack> players?
[20:03] <jack> video games
[20:03] <merlin_> yes
[20:04] <merlin_> i support more games than linux
[20:04] <merlin_> i have stop playing video games
[20:04] <jack> thats only true cuss they only make them for windows I think Linux would play the games batter if they made them for linux
[20:04] <jack> and why?
[20:06] <merlin_> i have seen in linux the future of personal computing in a few years and i dont have the money all 3 years a new windows to buy, and i hate spying me
[20:07] <merlin_> Windows deaing slowly
[20:08] <merlin_> my englisch is not really the best only school englisch
[20:09] <Akuli> that's fine, nobody cares about english skills in irc :)
[20:09] <Akuli> if people understand each other that's enough
[20:10] <merlin_> the best ceo of mircrosoft was Bill Gates and then the company goes down
[20:15] <merlin_> why it doesnt give notepad ++
[20:16] <Akuli> ubuntu?
[20:16] <Akuli> there's plenty of great alternatives to notepad++, but if you really want notepad++ you can run it under wine
[20:20] <sudosundu> HI! I am facing a weird issue in u-mate 16.04 with mate 1.12
[20:20] <Akuli> tell us
[20:20] <merlin_> what is so a alternativ
[20:21] <Akuli> merlin_, geany is probably closest to it, sudo apt-get install geany
[20:21] <merlin_> funny i used geany under windows to programm mini programmes
[20:22] <Akuli> then you know how to use it already :)
[20:22] <sudosundu> if i have opened a pdf file and home folder. I minimized the pdf. Then I just tried to increase the folder size 'decrease the view size" but i could see the pdf's menu getting change
[20:24] <merlin_> but my programming skills are really bad hello world and noting more its really compleced in c++
[20:24] <Akuli> i think c++ sucks
[20:24] <Akuli> python is fun
[20:24] <sudosundu> to be precise, eventhough the pdf is minimized, when i work with some other window, that windows tool bar seems to act like it is not present
[20:25] <Akuli> merlin_, a python tutorial i have written https://github.com/Akuli/python-tutorial#python-programming-tutorial
[20:26] <sudosundu> help please!
[20:26] <edu> hola
[20:26] <Akuli> sudosundu, i don't really see how that's a problem
[20:26] <Akuli> the pdf application is still usable, isn't it?
[20:26] <sudosundu> im sorry for bad english
[20:26] <Akuli> your english is fine :)
[20:28] <sudosundu> I have opened control center and a pdf. Then i minimized the control center. Then if i click somewhere in pdf, i'm opening something from control center
[20:29] <Akuli> oh i see
[20:29] <sudosundu> It is like i'm interacting with control center. but I have already minized it
[20:29] <sudosundu> minimized*
[20:29] <Akuli> can you shoot a short video clip of doing that?
[20:29] <Akuli> kazam is an easy program for doing that
[20:29] <sudosundu> But it is not happening everytime
[20:30] <Akuli> how many out of 10 times?
[20:30] <sudosundu> So, i guess I would not be able to do that
[20:30] <sudosundu> 2/10
[20:30] <Akuli> you can do that, it will take about five shots
[20:30] <Akuli> kind of a pain though...
[20:31] <Akuli> your issue does indeed sound very weird, i don't really know how to help with that
[20:31] <sudosundu> Hmm! But it is disturbing my work with libre office!
[20:32] <sudosundu> ok I'll try to capture and come back here
[20:32] <Akuli> if you can't capture a video of it people may have hard time believing you
[20:32] <sudosundu> ok i got it
[20:33] <sudosundu> thanks!
[22:09] <amundsen> hi
[22:11] <amundsen> i don't like too much the default grub theme in ubuntyu mate. I'd like like to leave as a regular grub menu. I've tried to do so looking for info in google with no success
[23:09] <bottle-pop> anyone out there?
[23:10] <bottle-pop> I have a sound issue on a MAC PPC G5
[23:11] <bottle-pop> running the latest ubuntu mate
[23:11] <bottle-pop> the issue is no sound heh
[23:12] <bottle-pop> otherwise this old dog is kicking again
[23:12] <bottle-pop> and rather nicely
[23:13] <bottle-pop> well. I'll leave this running in case someone comes in and cares to help me
[23:19] <bottle-pop> *hopeful*
[23:19] <bottle-pop> heh


[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:45] <RikMills> santa_: kquickcharts is in!
[17:39] <RikMills> and kquickcharts is in release. that means I can definitely upload the plasma 5.18 beta to the main archive :)
[21:42] <santa_> RikMills: great news, I'm glad that copyright file helped


[10:31] <caribou> Hello,
[10:31] <caribou> I'm working on adding network support to our DataSourceScaleway
[10:31] <caribou> So far, I'm able to get the config written on the first boot, but it gets overwritten by subsequent reboots
[10:31] <caribou> I believe that this is caused by the DEP_NETWORK dependancy
[10:32] <caribou> If I understand correctly, Removing this DEP_NETWORK dependancy means that our DataSource is responsible for bringing up the network, right ?
[11:29] <smoser> caribou: a local datasource is one that can be identified positively by local resources.
[11:30] <smoser> it may declare supply network configuration for the system.
[11:33] <mgerdts> As I was reading though https://hackmd.io/NUUO4nndS4CXTItl8Rs6Nw?both, I was a bit confused by lines 59 & 70.  Should those both start with 'nic'?
[11:37] <smoser> i have to agree with you. i made the change there, but there are other occurences of 'nic', . lets ask rharper when he is in.
[11:38] <mgerdts> ok, sounds good
[14:02] <rharper> smoser: mgerdts:  yeah, it was nic there;   there is a general rough equivalence between nic and network;  but specifically hotplug of a NIC (which is really a udev event on kernel subsystem "net") is a rudimentary way of providing an indication to the guest that it should query metadata service for updated configuration;  you can imagine that a provide may indicate this in other ways and may want to reconfigure
[14:02] <rharper> "networking" whether or not a NIC has been added or removed
[14:03] <rharper> I'm happy to bikeshed on the schema we want to be more precise
[14:35] <KingJ> I can see a fix for LP#1774666 has been merged in to trunk, what's the best way for me to get that on my system? Wait for the next build of the cloud-init-dev/daily PPA?
[14:40] <rharper> yep
[14:40] <rharper> bug #1774666
[14:40] <ubot5`> bug 1774666 in netplan.io (Ubuntu Cosmic) "Bond interfaces stuck at 1500 MTU on Bionic" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1774666
[14:47] <KingJ> rharper: Thanks, i'll keep an eye on the PPA
[14:51] <rharper> KingJ: for Bionic, we need to do an SRU;   We'll do a new upstream snapshot during the SRU process and the daily ppa https://launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/+archive/ubuntu/daily  get get the bionic package before the SRU is complete; you can test that out there but once the SRU has been started, the package will also showup in bionic-proposed
[14:53] <KingJ> What would the rough timelines be around the SRU / proposed / daily build? (apologies, this is the first time i've been blocked on something where the fix isn't quite out yet, but I appreciate it's not an instantaneous thing!)
[14:56] <rharper> we can get a new upstream snapshot landed possibly today, maybe tomorrow, then the next days ppa will have the package, the SRU takes processing time to verify the changes once it's uploaded to -proposed, and then verification that it resolves the issues and no regressions, then a 7 day wait in -proposed for other testing and general wait before it's copied to -updates
[15:03] <KingJ> Great, i'll keep an eye out - thank you for the information :)
[15:03] <rharper> sure
[15:21] <mgerdts> rharper: thanks for clearing that up
[15:22] <blackboxsw> smoser: pushed pycodestyle fix to handle utf8 chars in cloud-config branch
[15:22] <blackboxsw> jenkins is testing now https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/job/cloud-init-ci/79/
[15:32] <blackboxsw> just kicked off https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/job/cloud-init-integration-ec2-b/24/ which should give us a green now that salt_minion test fixes are in tip
[15:45] <powersj> smoser: how do we 1) add bionic and 2) update devel to cosmic here: https://code.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/+recipes
[15:53] <smoser> rharper: responed https://code.launchpad.net/~smoser/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+merge/347698
[15:53] <smoser> powersj: getting that
[15:57] <smoser> powersj: https://code.launchpad.net/~cloud-init-dev/+recipe/cloud-init-daily-devel
[15:57] <smoser> bah.
[15:57] <smoser> Distribution series. had 'bionic', not 'cosmic'
[15:57] <smoser> fixing
[15:58] <powersj> ok so that just required selecting a different distro?
[16:03] <blackboxsw> ok fixing this today https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+bug/1776701
[16:03] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 1776701 in cloud-init "ec2: xenial unnecessary openstack datasource probes during discovery" [High,In progress]
[16:04] <runelind_q> If I understand the workflow correctly, I apply an lxc profile to an ubuntu 18.04 container which influences cloud-init, which in turn influences netplan?  I'm just trying to figure out the best way to add a static DNS (ipv6) server
[16:04] <mgerdts> Does this mean that I will soon be able to not `route add -reject <link-local-address>` before running tests?
[16:08] <blackboxsw> runelind_q: my most common use-case for driving changes in cloud-init though lxc would be 'lxc init ubuntu-daily:bionic myb1; lxc config set user.user-data - < mycloudconfig.yaml;   lxc myb1 start;'
[16:09] <blackboxsw> cat > mycloudconfig.yaml <<EOF
[16:09] <blackboxsw> #cloud-config
[16:10] <runelind_q> looks like some of those values can just be set in the lxc profiles rather than passing another yaml file
[16:12] <blackboxsw> runelind_q probably so. lxc provides cloud-init with the proper-full network config which ends up in /var/lib/cloud/seed/nocloud-net/network-config on the booted container
[16:12] <runelind_q> cool, I'll take a look there
[16:12] <runelind_q> lots of abstraction going on :)  It's like Inception networking
[16:12] <blackboxsw> lxc also provide vendor_data as distinct from user-data (which both get merged to provide cloud-init customization)
[16:13] <blackboxsw> yeah definitely runelind_q, so when you provide a profile checkout that seed directory to see how lxc mapped it out. cloud-init consumes those to "do the right thing" with netplan
[16:13] <rharper> to do network-config in lxd, you need to specify that separately; you cannot user-data in network-config
[16:14] <rharper>  https://github.com/lxc/lxd/blob/master/doc/cloud-init.md
[16:14] <blackboxsw> rharper: can't you define the network-config via the same type of mechanism (right a profiles would allow you to differentate network-config for user.user-data)
[16:15] <blackboxsw> just saw the link, good one
[16:15] <rharper> yeah, it's just like user.user-data but it's a different file/template (network-config)
[16:16] <blackboxsw> ok good deal. So, if using the CLI instead of profiles :    lxc init ubuntu-daily:bionic myb1; lxc config set myb1 user.network-config -< mynetwork-v1-or-v2.yaml; lxc start myb1;'
[16:17] <blackboxsw> and that should ultimately show up in /var/lib/cloud/seed/nocloud-net/network-config I would presume
[16:17] <blackboxsw> on the container
[16:17] <rharper> yeah, was going to paste a quick  config to add the additional dns entry
[16:17] <blackboxsw> thanks rharper
[16:21] <rharper> that said, I don't know if we have a way to append additional DNS entries on an interface using DHCP
[16:24] <runelind_q> I guess I could also see if containers will listen to DNS servers being advertised via SLAAC
[16:24] <blackboxsw> shouldn't that come via the dhcp option when the client requests a lease?
[16:24] <runelind_q> this is all ipv6
[16:26] <blackboxsw> yeah /me was thinking option 23 and option 24 in dhcpv6 :(
[16:27] <rharper> almost there
[16:30] <runelind_q> stay on target
[16:30] <rharper> =)
[16:30] <rharper> I've got tone
[16:31] <runelind_q> yeah, not so much for RDNSS
[16:33] <runelind_q> oh, there it goes.
[16:37] <rharper>  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9rPcBrGX3x/
[16:38] <rharper> I don't have dhcp6, so I can't tell, but on my system, it puts the static v6 dns in the list; not sure about priority; this falls into dark magic of networkd/systemd-resolved
[16:48] <runelind_q> yeah, it doesn't show up is resolv.conf, but v6 DNS works fine ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[17:05] <blackboxsw> ok jenkins integration-ec2-b is finally green again. only known cloud-init CI errors remaining are ec2-x (because of openstack warnings) and  the -cosmic tests failing because of our ppa
[17:05] <blackboxsw> both in flight
[17:15] <blackboxsw> ok need to sort unit tests, but will be proposing the following as a fix for OpenStack datasource to avoid unneeded metadata probes on ec2
[17:15] <blackboxsw> https://code.launchpad.net/~chad.smith/cloud-init/+git/cloud-init/+ref/bug/1776701-openstack-local-no-probe-on-ec2
[17:15] <blackboxsw> heading to an early lunch.
[17:21] <smoser> blackboxsw: 2 fixes in review-mps pushed
[17:22] <smoser> https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/uss-tableflip/commit/15b5e593c48aba5f24fc921a11385e7fa8f4eb29
[17:22] <smoser> https://github.com/CanonicalLtd/uss-tableflip/commit/66fb6a5e9df8db41e96a13d6f1d7ce913bd22028
[18:03] <rharper> runelind_q: sorry, resolv.conf is always going to point to <IP_ADDRESS> which is systemd-resolved caching nameserver (much like previous resolvconf in Ubuntu Xenial);  you can run:  networkctl status or systemd-resolved --status  and you can see the set of DNS endpoints you've got configured
[22:10] <blackboxsw> ok no probe fix is up https://trello.com/c/0s2gnxyX/835-openstacklocal-should-not-probe-metadata-on-ec2
[22:11] <blackboxsw> now onto joyent/azure hot/cold plug
[22:14] <blackboxsw> powersj: :(  looks like integration-c w/ lxd is an issue https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/server/view/cloud-init,%20curtin,%20streams/job/cloud-init-integration-ec2-c/5/console
[22:14] <blackboxsw> on lxd and ec2
[22:14] <powersj> yeah noticed that now that we have a daily cosmic deb
[22:14] <powersj> I can take a look tomorrow if you want
[22:14] <blackboxsw> man it's like the red won't go away :/
[22:14] <powersj> heck of a lot better though
[22:15] <blackboxsw> powersj: yes please, I think I need to finish a strawman for a mtg tomorrow w/ joyent
[22:15] <powersj> and largely due to me switching from building master to using the built daily deb
[22:15] <blackboxsw> yep, I was gonna say, "all powersj fault"
[22:15] <powersj> totally
[22:16] <blackboxsw> PEBPAK  (problem exists between Powers and keyboard)
[22:16] <blackboxsw> has nothing to do with code-quality mind you
[22:23] <powersj> ;)


[08:42] <smartboyhw> HI!
[12:38] <smartboyhw> Hi!
[13:52] <smartboyhw> Hi falktx
[13:56] <falktx> hey again
[13:57] <falktx> smartboyhw: what's up?
[13:58] <smartboyhw> Nothing, watching the olympics and chatting in #ubuntuforums
[13:58] <smartboyhw> Wanna join the meeting on Monday?
[13:58] <falktx> hm, what time?
[13:58] <smartboyhw> 14:00 UTC.
[13:59] <smartboyhw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2012August13
[14:01] <falktx> ok, should be 1pm or 3pm
[14:02] <smartboyhw> falktx: 14:00UTC is what time on your timezone?
[14:02] <smartboyhw> Or what's your timezone?
[14:03] <falktx> GMT 0
[14:03] <falktx> I know it's 1h from UTC
[14:03] <falktx> I always forget if back or forwards ;)
[14:03] <smartboyhw> GMT = UTC
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Learn some basic geography
[14:03] <knome> HUH?
[14:04] <knome> UTC doesn't follow DST, GMT does
[14:04] <knome> please learn some manners, smartboyhw
[14:04] <falktx> I belive that too, knome
[14:04] <smartboyhw> Sorry!
[14:04] <falktx> it's very weird to have 2 standard times
[14:05] <falktx> probably created by the same people who did miles and feet...
[14:05] <knome> that's why i always refer to UTC
[14:05] <smartboyhw> I use UTC
[14:05] <knome> because you probably know if your country is DST currently or not
[14:05] <falktx> I use GMT, since I know I'm 0 for it
[14:06] <smartboyhw> knome: Don't forget to add things to the agenda
[14:07] <knome> smartboyhw, i won't have things to add. i'm just helping US with website stuff, and that's pretty much done.
[14:07] <smartboyhw> Thanks.
[20:19] <len-dt> Wow, there is actually a ubuntu tool for making a default-settings package.
[20:20] <len-dt> it is not very extensive but it does allow you to set some firefox defaults... not very well though.
[20:20] <len-dt> I think I can start working on firefox branding for studio now.
[20:22] <len-dt> ailo, astraljava should I have more than (or less) ubuntustudio as home page, a link on the bookmark bar and a bookmark in the bookmark menu?
[20:22] <len-dt> BTW I notice our web page seems to have no icon to go with it.
[20:26] <knome> oops.
[20:26] <len-dt> The blueprint item suggests:forums, help.ubuntu.com, ubuntustudio.org, youtube studio channel?, mailing lists...I need URLs
[20:27] <len-dt> knome no problem... it is sooo much better than what we had :-)
[20:27] <knome> heh
[20:28] <knome> what kind of firefox branding are you talking about?
[20:28] <len-dt> Just adding ubuntustudio as a bookmark and maybe home page.
[20:28] <knome> ok
[20:29] <len-dt> The blueprints suggest some more things see ^^^ above.
[20:29] <knome> i don't know if home page works, there might be some issues with mozilla
[20:29] <len-dt> I set up a new user and seem to have it working.
[20:29] <knome> i understood we couldn't use a google page with xubutnu logo as the default start page in firefox without an agreement with mozilla
[20:29] <len-dt> Ya it works.
[20:30] <knome> not the technical side...
[20:30] <len-dt> This is just home page : ubuntustudio.org
[20:30] <knome> yes.
[20:30] <knome> but i don't know if you can do that legally
[20:31] <knome> because you have the firefox branding
[20:31] <len-dt> Normally after I go to a web page it's icon shows up in the bookmark.
[20:31] <len-dt> I am not worried about the home page thing... the user will prolly change that
[20:31] <knome> sure. the US website probably just doesn't have one
[20:32] <len-dt> Should I bug it?
[20:33] <knome> that would work, and feel free to set me as the assignee
[20:33] <len-dt> K
[20:34] <knome> that's a trivial fix, but will take some time after i do it for the IS to process
[20:34] <len-dt> is knome the right name to use in LP?
[20:34] <knome> yes
[20:34]  * len-dt knows about delays
[20:35] <knome> yeah, just sayin' :)
[20:44] <len-dt> knomr bug is Bug #1035954 , it would not let me assign you
[20:44] <len-dt> knome ^^
[20:44] <knome> ta


[02:19] -queuebot:#edubuntu- Builds: Edubuntu Desktop amd64 [Mantic Daily] has been updated (20230626)


[00:02] <Hydrozii> Something wicked happened resolving 'archive.canoncical.com:http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)
[00:02] <Hydrozii> what does this mean?
[00:03] <Sysi> something wrong with that line
[00:04] <Hydrozii> want me to paste the whole thing after the update?
[00:04] <Hydrozii> some weird kinda error
[00:04] <Sysi> gksudo mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:05] <Sysi> remove other partner-lines and replace with that like others
[00:06] <Sysi> or partber seems to be there already, just remove commenting #
[00:07] <Hydrozii> uncomment these?....  # deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu lucid partner
[00:07] <Hydrozii> # deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu lucid partner
[00:07] <Sysi> take #s off
[00:07] <Hydrozii> yah okay just making sure i had the right lines
[00:08] <Hydrozii> yay installation is working
[00:08] <Hydrozii> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[00:08] <Hydrozii> so in a second ill try the launcher
[00:08] <Hydrozii> java -jar "minecraft.jar" is the command for the launcher right?
[00:09] <Sysi> i think
[00:10] <Hydrozii> how do i press ok in the package configuration in the terminal.....
[00:12] <Sysi> what configuration?
[00:12] <Hydrozii> the licence agreement its showing me in the terminal
[00:12] <Hydrozii> this is new to me
[00:13] <Sysi> y or yes propably
[00:13] <Hydrozii> there is no place i can type...
[00:14] <Sysi> just press enter
[00:15] <Hydrozii> yah thats the first thing i tried
[00:15] <Hydrozii> it has no effect...
[00:15] <FusionX> press down arrow key and then enter.
[00:15] <Hydrozii> nope. :(
[00:15] <FusionX> ...
[00:16] <Hydrozii> ill upload a screenshot... if its possible to upload images to irc
[00:16] <FusionX> try "up" arrow
[00:16] <Hydrozii> up arrow scrolls up in the license agreement.... and down arrow scrolls down
[00:17] <FusionX> see pm
[00:17] <Hydrozii> there is an unmoving <ok> at the bottom which i can not figure out how to select
[00:18] <Sysi> press tab
[00:18] <Hydrozii> tab worked lol
[00:19] <Hydrozii> i should have tried tab
[00:21] <Hydrozii> ok so clicking on the launcher has no effect at all...
[00:22] <FusionX> try that command in terminal
[00:22] <Hydrozii> the command being.... java -jar "a/b/minecraft.jar" ?
[00:23] <FusionX> yes
[00:23] <Hydrozii> ok the output is just >
[00:24] <Hydrozii> >
[00:24] <Hydrozii> what the hec does that mean?
[00:24] <FusionX> java -jar ~/Downloads/minecraft.jar
[00:25] <FusionX> copy paste that
[00:25] <Hydrozii> unable to access jar file
[00:26] <Hydrozii> why cant it access jarfile?
[00:26] <FusionX> cd to downloads direectory and minecraft.jar
[00:26] <FusionX> -_-;
[00:26] <FusionX> java -jar minecraft.jar
[00:27] <Hydrozii> java -jar ~/Downloads/minecraft.jar
[00:27] <Hydrozii> oops
[00:27] <Hydrozii> didnt mean to paste that
[00:27] <Hydrozii> Unable to access jarfile minecraft.jar
[00:27] <FusionX> cd to downloads directory and java -jar minecraft.jar
[00:27] <Hydrozii> i did and thats the output
[00:28] <FusionX> see pm
[00:40] <Hydrozii> so i got minecraft running thanks to FusionX
[00:41] <Hydrozii> my whole problem was that i didn't capitalize Minecraft.jar
[00:45] <Hydrozii> hey guys...
[00:45] <Hydrozii> what folder are the icons in?
[00:46] <Hydrozii> ahh nvrmnd
[01:53] <jinxzs> how to access file shared by windows?
[02:47] <Hydrozii> okay so i just downloaded a patch for fallout 3..... Fallout3_1.7_English_US.exe
[02:47] <Hydrozii> and when i try to run it through wine i get...
[02:47] <Hydrozii> The file '/home/..../wine/dosdevices/c:/Fallout3_1.7_English_US.exe' is not marked as executable.  If this was downloaded or copied form an untrusted source, it may be dangerous to run.  For more details, read about the executable bit.
[02:48] <Hydrozii> so what should i do?
[03:07] <Hydrozii> also another file that i downloaded won't extract... and the error says... No suitable archive manager found.
[03:09] <Hydrozii> ugh where is fusionX when you need him
[06:49] <FusionX> btw Hydrozii did u get minecraft to run in offline mode?
[07:27] <Aemaeth> I did the lastest update to linux-image-2.6.32-25-generic and then I can no longer get to xubuntu, it loads up a grub gnu bootloader shell thing, I don't know what to do at this point, all i did was update :(
[08:04] <TheSheep> Aemaeth: any messages before loading the shell?
[08:11] <Aemaeth> no :(
[08:12] <Aemaeth> http://paste.ubuntu.com/503732/  this is what i see, i just rebooted after doing the livecd grub fix and same screen
[08:14] <Aemaeth> my solutions looks like is going to be "Never update" and i'm slowly accepting that fact.  but this seems to be the only machine having this problem :(
[08:16] <Aemaeth> maybe when they update the live cd/install cd to the .25 generic pae, it will install like that (i hope) but for now i think i should cut my losses and stick with .21
[08:18] <Aemaeth> seemed to have a problem installing grub to /dev/sda if that helps any, had to install to /dev/sda1, BUT the original install did not have this problem, faulty memory maybe?
[08:37] <Aemaeth> onto my 3rd install round!  wish me luck?
[08:38] <Aemaeth> i've learned my lesson, ignore red numbers with exclamation points, they bring trouble
[08:40] <Aemaeth> it says i'm erasing ubuntu, is that what happened?
[10:27] <MidnightCommando> 'sup guys
[10:27] <MidnightCommando> i've got just a little bit of trouble with the xubuntu 10.04 desktop amd64 disc.
[10:27] <MidnightCommando> namely, the damned thing's useless. sha256 checks out, i've tried multiple CDs and at multiple speeds, even a USB stick via unetbootin
[10:28] <MidnightCommando> official ubuntu CDs start just fine
[10:28] <MidnightCommando> as do other livecds i've burned
[10:28] <MidnightCommando> this livecd, however, refuses under any circumstances to boot, inf act my computer acts like it's not even there. has anyone had this problem?
[11:10]  * MidnightCommando for nick in #channel, do poke $nick, done
[13:24] <chomwitt> trying to install 10.04 in a school lab with pentium4s and 200MB i noticed install times over 2hours. The lab has 64Kbs isdn connection so i guess it must bandwidth issue. can i do a cdrom only install?
[13:26] <psycho_oreos> I believe so yes, but you still need to update it
[13:26] <chomwitt> psycho_oreos: i could use apt-cache for the update procude.
[13:27] <MidnightCommando> oooh, activity
[13:27] <psycho_oreos> chomwitt, yeah but I'm not sure whether or not you still need the signing keys or you'll need to manually add your own
[13:28] <psycho_oreos> MidnightCommando, what's your computer spec?
[13:28] <MidnightCommando> i am attempting to run 10.04 amd64 desktop as a livecd ... alas my livecds fail to boot, and making the xubuntu iso into a liveusb also failed. suggestions? i can't believe the release team would put out a broken release, because someone would have noticed... obviously i'm doing something wrong. can has halp?
[13:29] <psycho_oreos> more specifically what is the CPU
[13:29] <MidnightCommando> psycho_oreos: amd athlon64+ x2 ... gigabyte motherboard with latest BIOS flash, pioneer dvr-118 on EIDE, one harddrive (320G) for /, /boot, and swap, one 1.5TB drive for /home, both on internal SATA
[13:30] <MidnightCommando> oh and the MBR of the system drive is trashed so i've been using a boot floppy for a month or three. >_>
[13:30] <chomwitt> psycho_oreos: thanks
[13:30] <MidnightCommando>  (tl;dr no i am not runnning 64-bit code on a 32-bit cpu, if that's what you're thinking)
[13:31] <moetunes> did you do the md5 check on the iso?
[13:31] <MidnightCommando> no. i did sha256
[13:31] <MidnightCommando> which checked out.
[13:31] <moetunes> k
[13:32] <psycho_oreos> MidnightCommando, no, but are you sure that your computer can boot usb? I have amd x2 sitting right next to me with msi mobo and there's no bios updates to make it boot usb
[13:32] <psycho_oreos> why not give the i386 version a try?
[13:32] <MidnightCommando> psycho_oreos: absolutely sure, the BIOS Boot Priority Selection explicitly lists USB devices
[13:32] <MidnightCommando> psycho_oreos: because i need to chroot into a 64-bit environment.
[13:32] <MidnightCommando> i'm pulling a bit of a rescue mission.
[13:33] <MidnightCommando> i'd use the disc i'm on atm (kubuntu 7.10 amd64) for it, but it doesn't have ext4 which is a HUGE problem
[13:38] <MidnightCommando> hrm psycho_oreos is it possible that one of the mirroring sites holds a corrupt verstion of the iso?
[13:38] <MidnightCommando> because i did kind of grab the file from the internode mirror. over ftp.
[13:40] <psycho_oreos> unlikely but possible
[13:42] <MidnightCommando> meh
[13:42] <MidnightCommando> an md5 collision is extremely improbable for mere corruption, and the md5s match up to another server (ftp.ubuntu.com)
[13:43] <MidnightCommando> this is puzzling
[13:44] <moetunes> if the iso checks out it might be a bad burn - tried the cd chesk?
[13:44] <moetunes> or check even?
[13:46] <MidnightCommando> moetunes: cd check would work if i got to ISOLINUX
[13:46] <MidnightCommando> i don't
[13:46] <MidnightCommando> i don't know if it's possible to checksum a cd against a file?
[13:47] <MidnightCommando> (also, the cd burn being at fault is not really likely given the liveUSB attempt failed spectacularly)
[13:48] <moetunes> you don't even get to the cd's menu?
[13:49] <MidnightCommando> moetunes: "computer acts like it's not even there" as i described earlier
[13:49] <MidnightCommando> i still can't think of a better way to put it
[13:49] <MidnightCommando> :(
[13:50] <moetunes> MidnightCommando:  if the cd will work in another comp you might have h/ware issues...
[13:51] <MidnightCommando> precluded again by the liveUSB booting as far as the unetbootin loader and then failing
[13:52] <MidnightCommando> and the fact that other CDs boot without issue
[13:53] <moetunes> ofc - I should pay more attention
[13:53] <MidnightCommando> oh and by the way
[13:53] <MidnightCommando> i don't know if i'm showing any attitude atm, i find it difficult to discern at the best of times :P but if so, i do apologise.
[13:54] <moetunes> it's all fine :]
[13:54] <moetunes> I'm watching a movie here atm so my attention is split
[13:59] <MidnightCommando> i think i'm going to attempt another boot run in case it's just One Of Those Gremlins
[13:59] <MidnightCommando> at this point i don't want to download another livecd
[13:59] <moetunes> good luck :]
[13:59] <MidnightCommando> so, thanks everyone, i'll brb - just need to detach and reboot.
[14:09] <MidnightCommando> wish i could say i had better luck
[14:10] <moetunes> bummer
[14:11] <MidnightCommando> now have to wait an hour for off-peak so i can go grab an iso of linux-mint-xfce or something
[14:11] <MidnightCommando> i'm starting to suspect xubuntu jsut doesn't like me as much as it used to
[14:12] <MidnightCommando> (i had 7.10 when i was doing my first gentoo install a while back, it was /flawless/ on this hardware)
[14:13] <MidnightCommando> thanks kindly for all your help, guys! much appreciated :)
[14:13]  * MidnightCommando exit stage left
[16:43] <wbadger> hi, when I close a terminal window (or type exit) the program gets stuck. If I try to kill it it just gets defunct but the process never dies. does anyone know what could cause this? btw I have several more issues but I don't know if they are connected.
, the terminal window itself gets stuck?
[17:05] <wbadger> yes
[17:05] <wbadger> I then get the message "This window might be busy and is not responding.Do you want to terminate the application?"
[17:10] <eeffoc> Hmm, I haven't seen that one -- I'll have to search around a bit. Have you checked the ubuntu forum site yet?
[17:13] <wbadger> eeffoc, sorry, I didn't. I'll try that
[17:13] <eeffoc> I wish I was more help! Sorry >_< Does the message allow you to select 'yes' or 'no', thus terminating the terminal successfully, or does it still hang?
[17:15] <eeffoc> It isn't a full screen terminal, is it?
[17:16] <wbadger> the message does allow me that, and it isn't full screen. And thank you
[17:19] <TheSheep> wbadger: you could try using strace to see what the program is doing
[17:20] <wbadger> TheSheep, I tried. I saw nothing special, it ended with "exit_group(127)                         = ?"
[17:21] <chomwitt> i installed 10.04 in a virtual machine with no network atall and i see that it has the same packages. So why in the installation a slow connection can make the installation so slow?
[17:22] <TheSheep> chomwitt: maybe it checks for updates?
[17:26] <charlie-tca> A slow connection means it will still download some of the packages. No connection means it will not even attempt the downloads
[17:26] <chomwitt> TheSheep: is there a debug way to see what installer is doing?
[17:27] <TheSheep> chomwitt: there is the install log
[17:29] <chomwitt> i installed over 10 pc last week in two school labs in greece. except for the installation delay in the slow internet case i also noted that the first time i boot the system is very slow.. when i reboot its ok!. It sounds strange, but the same happend now in my virtual xubuntu!!
[17:30] <chomwitt> nevertheless in the one lab everything is ok now. Xubuntu saw ok an old msi p4 mobo , sound ok ,microphone ok,web cam ok ,scanner ok! So a great thanks to xubuntu and foss!
[17:31] <chomwitt> TheSheep: i'll try to find the install log. thanks!
[17:31] <charlie-tca> chomwitt: /var/log/installer
[17:47] <eeffoc> Anyone know how to make the panel STAY? I can use ALT
[17:47] <eeffoc> errr. ALT + F2 and run XFCE4-Panel
[19:48] <hagg> hello, i just tried to install qtcreator on a fresh install of xubuntu lucid lynx. qtdesigner works, qtdemos works, but qtcreator takes one whole cpu-core for ~1min, a window pops up and closes immediatly. no error messages.
[19:49] <hagg> any idea what might cause this?
[19:50] <hagg> i tested it on my "default" xubuntu system, same behaviour
[20:16] <Sysi> hagg: start it in terminal and see if it gives error messages
[20:17] <hagg> no error messages, tried it already in a terminal
[20:17] <hagg> window opens, closes immediatly, and the shell-prompt shows (process exited, i guess)
[20:18] <Sysi> does it have -v or something verbose?
[20:20] <hagg> no, just a parameter for version according to manpage and --help output
[20:21] <hagg> wait a moment, i am going to strace it
[20:25] <hagg> http://codepad.org/oATSUYqK  <- latest 42 lines of strace output
[20:26] <Sysi> you should propably file a bug


[00:59] <b0id[m]> Ovenwerks, send me info on dev workflow or docs related  on contributions.
[01:14] <Eickmeyer[m]> b0id: OvenWerks is mostly focused on Studio Controls, the source for which is at https://github.com/ovenwerks/studio-controls, but I think he's drumming up something new which may or may not be Ubuntu Studio-related.
[18:58] <OvenWerks> b0id[m]: That question confuses me. Like I have missed the first half of the conversation.
[18:59] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: which tool kit did you use for uninstaller?
[18:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: kdialog
[18:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> And zenity for the progress indicator
[19:00] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I was wondering if it maade sense to combine installer into it. Installer does not deal well with hidpi screens
[19:01] <OvenWerks> but it sounds like it is written in bash?
[19:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> I've been considering a rewrite of installer into kdialog or zenity for a while since it really doesn't need that much. Really zenity would be best as it can monitor progress a whole lot better than kdialog.
[19:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> Kdialog is just easier for initial dialogs. Right now I'm working on a rewrite for edubuntu.
[19:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> Trying to use zenity alone.
[19:03] <OvenWerks> basically, tk/tcl or fltk seem to suffer from not dealling with DE font sizing.
[19:04] <Eickmeyer[m]> Either toolkit would be so much better on HighDPI.
[19:04] <Eickmeyer[m]> Right, that was part of my initial concern a while back, but we kicked that can down the road.
[19:04] <OvenWerks> Not pyqt?
[19:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> PyQt would work, but I know Kdialog because I know Bash scripting best.
[19:05] <OvenWerks> :)
[19:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> Also, I'm thinking about GTK desktops, which still outnumber Qt desktops in the Ubuntu flavor world.
[19:06] <OvenWerks> I am assuming you want to stay away from gtk/glade
[19:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, studio-controls still uses gtk/glade, right?
[19:07] <OvenWerks> gtk/glade would probably be easiest because we have some experience
[19:07] <OvenWerks> yes
[19:08] <OvenWerks> I think ouyr menueditor was glade as well
[19:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> So, I have no problem with that, especially because it still blends with the desktop and works well with non-Qt desktops.
[19:09] <OvenWerks> If we want a starting point the menu editor would be the better of the two. Controls is based on someone elses start and is not really cleaned up
[19:09] <OvenWerks> menu edit was from a frsh start.
[19:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> Whatever you think is best if you want to lead the charge on this.
[19:12] <Eickmeyer[m]> How's the progress on controls?
[19:13] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: I will be working on a songbook like app at some point but I have gotten something working via waydroid for now.
[19:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> Cool!
[19:15] <OvenWerks> controls needs work. mostly autojack. I did some work on it but am going to have pull some of it out I think. I was trying to combine pw and jack in the same calls and it looks like I am better to just add a bunch of if pw skip kinds of thing and do pw separate... better for my mental health
[19:16] <OvenWerks> PW has mostly all it's own calls for everything we need anyway.
[19:18] <OvenWerks> At some point I may have to change everything jack to jackd instead of jackdbus unless I start jackdbus manually instead of with dbus calls. When started with dbus calls, jackdbus sometimes uses pw jack libs which is a mess.
[19:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> I see. Well, if it's any help, the file/symlink is pipewire-jack.conf in /etc/ld.so.conf.d like you recommended. Without that, pw-jack is disabled.
[19:21] <OvenWerks> that is the same mechanism I am using.
[19:23] <OvenWerks> It is for cases where jack is used as a pw devicde.
[19:23] <Eickmeyer[m]> Right, I followed your lead so that we're keeping the same file.
[19:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> I'm modifying /usr/sbin/ubuntustudio-pwjack-config so that it can not only set the default buffersize, but also enable/disable which basically deletes or creates that symlink on demand. Obviously it will require a reboot after the ldconfig is run, but it will tell the user.
[19:24] <OvenWerks> gotta run... I'm the driver.
[19:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ah, have fun.
[19:27] <OvenWerks> When I can, I will push what I have to github so I can pull to this machine. So I can work on it when my wife is home. She prefers my presence in the same room :)
[19:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> So does mine. LUL
[19:27] <OvenWerks> Part of the reason we got this machine


[00:45] <Kerbero> o/
[00:46] <Kerbero> this was the worst ubuntu upgrade i had ever
[00:46] <Kerbero> ended up reinstalling
[05:27] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[05:27] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[05:27]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[05:27] <superfly> morning Kilos
[05:28] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[05:31] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[05:31] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[05:31] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[05:37] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos
[05:37] <Vince-0> Morning Ubuntu-za - time for wek!
[05:39] <superfly> time for work? I've already been here an hour!
[05:42] <Kilos> lol
[05:43] <Kilos> you gotta make allowances for the young and the self employed superfly
[05:43] <Squirm> morning
[05:43] <Squirm> thanks Kilos
[05:43] <Kilos> hi Squirm hows things
[05:44] <Squirm> I usually wake up in about 30min time :P
[05:44] <Squirm> but work made me wake up early
[05:44] <Kilos> ah you wet the bed?
[05:44] <superfly> bwahaha
[05:45] <Kilos> you still there near newcastle Squirm ?
[05:45] <Squirm> Newcastle is about 1/1.5 hours away. if you consider that near, then yes
[05:46] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee for all
[05:46] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[05:46] <Squirm> Maaz: thanks
[05:46] <Maaz> Squirm: No problem
[05:46] <Kilos> whew i lost, forget where you are exactly apart from near a dam
[05:46] <Kilos> chelmsford?
[05:46] <Squirm> never heard of the place
[05:46] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[05:46] <Maaz> Kilos: There isn't a pot on
[05:46] <Squirm> a town called Winterton
[05:46] <Squirm> s/town/hole
[05:47] <Kilos> oh yes thats it
[05:47] <Kilos> what are you doing now Squirm
[05:50] <Squirm> I'm and IT Techy
[05:52] <Squirm> and it finally got interesting
[05:53] <Kilos> in winterton
[05:53] <Squirm> maybe not *interesting*, but better than it's been
[05:53] <Squirm> Kilos: yep
[05:53] <Kilos> or you doing online work
[05:53] <Squirm> in WInterton
[05:54] <Kilos> thats good though. the winterton i member was to small to have more than 5 pc's in the wghole town
[05:54] <Kilos> whole
[05:54] <Squirm> just got a new client, lots of work needs to be done there. he has a big pig farm and lots of work. he didn't trust the other IT guy he used
[05:55] <Squirm> but he set up the network right, many network cables and they're all just jumbled up behind the main PC
[05:55] <Kilos> give it your best shot. the name you make for yourself when young you carry with you to the end
[05:55] <Squirm> guess who has to sort them out
[05:56] <Kilos> yeah ian also bitching about the last guys mess ups
[05:56] <Squirm> it's a pain
[05:56] <Squirm> but when you get paid per hour, shouldn't complain hey...
[05:56] <Kilos> lol no
[05:57] <Squirm> going to get a rackmount switch and stick it all nicely in that
[05:57] <Squirm> rather than having 2 small 8-port switches
[05:57] <Kilos> good
[05:58] <Squirm> it's not a *lot* of cables like some guys are used to, but it's just a business :P
[05:58] <Squirm> and finally getting to setup the Long Range CPE's in the field ^^
[05:58] <Kilos> yeah but make him happy and he will tell others
[05:58] <Squirm> see how they play out
[05:58] <Squirm> Ubiquiti NanoStation M5
[05:59] <Squirm> he's on a farm, so linking his butchery, offices, house, etc. they're all spaced apart
[06:00] <Squirm> and hopefully going to install IP cameras :)
[06:01] <Kilos> ian is also doing lots of that for security etc
[06:01] <Kilos> but all the software only works on windows
[06:01] <Squirm> yes :(
[06:10] <Squirm> anyways, I'm off
[06:10] <Kilos> enjoy
[06:11] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday
[06:11] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[06:12] <ender> jullle staan te vroeg op
[06:13] <Kilos> môre ender
[06:13] <ender> hi Ook Kilos :0
[06:13] <maiatoday> ender, ek werk al :)
[06:13] <ender> *oom
[06:16] <superfly> moring maiatoday, ender
[06:17] <maiatoday> hi superfly
[06:20] <ender> hi superfly
[06:38] <magespawn> morning all
[06:46] <Kilos> hiya magespawn
[06:46] <Kilos> aw
[07:05] <magespawn> howdy all
[07:05] <Kilos> lol again
[07:05] <Kilos> wb
[07:09] <magespawn> terrible lag the first time thought everyone was ignoring me
[07:09] <magespawn> got the mythbuntu up and running
[07:10] <Kilos> was even worse yesterday
[07:10] <Kilos> on what pc magespawn
[07:10] <Kilos> old one small ram etc
[07:10] <magespawn> yup trying to get onto twitter and is taking awhile.
[07:12] <Kilos> grrr
[07:13] <magespawn> newish board running 1 gig of ddr2 ram but in an old case cause of the form factor
[07:15] <magespawn> brb
[07:35] <Kilosm> power off till 1800 i think. and i forgot to charge fone
[07:35] <Kilosm> see yas darktime
[07:36] <Kilosm> be good
[08:05] <drubin> superfly: I can't login to the ubuntu-za website any more ;/
[08:54] <superfly> drubin: which page are you on? what method are you using? what browser are you using? what error messages do you see?
[08:57] <drubin> superfly: Firefox, home page click log on - > http://ubuntu-za.org/user/login click on open id login
[08:57] <drubin> then login and it takes me to the sign up page
[09:16] <superfly> drubin: a bit busy here at the moment, will look when I have a chance
[09:28] <drubin> superfly: I didn't expect you to fix it now :)
[11:10] <Kilos> yo
[11:15] <Kilos> i am sure its gonna rain here. was told power would be off till 1800 but its on already
[11:15] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[11:15]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[11:16] <Kilos> Maaz, quick before they kill the power again
[11:16] <Maaz> Kilos: Huh?
[11:16] <Kilos> twitbot
[11:17] <Kilos> magespawn, you were gonna tell me the specs of that pc
[11:18] <Kilos> dont act like you are thinking
[11:18] <Kilos> i can smell the wood burning from here
[11:19] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[11:20] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[11:20] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[11:20] <superfly> hi Kilos
[11:20] <Kilos> hiya superfly min dae hey
[11:20] <magespawn> hi kilos yup hold on
[11:20] <superfly> Kilos: too busy to notice
[11:21] <Kilos> lol
[11:22] <magespawn> kilos remind me tomorrow the pc is packed up and ready to be moved
[11:22] <Kilos> ok
[11:32] <magespawn> i need to use the os cannot remember the spec but has 1 gig of ram but now 40 gig hard drive
[11:34] <magespawn> strangely enough no problems getting the os installed this time, so maybe that drive was faulty from the start
[11:43] <Kilos> yeah musta been hurt
[11:43] <Kilos> 1g ram is lekker
[11:43] <Kilos> lo kbmonkey
[11:43] <kbmonkey> yo
[11:44] <magespawn> yup want to see how it is going to handle all the media on my external drive
[11:44] <kbmonkey> Kilos, I made a terminal profile for elinks. bigger font, black-on-white color, and set elinks options to use 256 colors. much nicer to use with mouse.
[11:44] <Kilos> shouldnt have any probs
[11:45] <Kilos> i got 640m ram and can watch and play anything
[11:45] <Kilos> lol kbmonkey how you did that
[11:45] <magespawn> i also want to stream from there to other points in the house
[11:45] <kbmonkey> hi magespawn
[11:45] <magespawn> hi kb monkey
[11:46] <magespawn> or kbmonkey
[11:47] <Kilos> hehe
[11:47] <Kilos> him too ya
[11:49] <kbmonkey> in the terminal menu you can edit the 'profiles' Kilos. you can then make a desktop shortcut to run gnome-terminal, and give it the "--window-with-profile=NAME --execute elinks" options to sort you out ;)
[11:50] <Kilos> ty  i will look into that
[11:52] <Kilos> eish what does all that mean
[11:52] <Kilos> --window-with-profile=NAME --execute elinks
[11:53] <Kilos> does that go in new on profiles
[11:53] <kbmonkey> it opens gnome-terminal with the profile you give it, and runs elinks :p
[11:53] <kbmonkey> sorry do I move too fast?
[11:53] <Kilos> duh
[11:53] <Kilos> i am there but what goes in by name
[11:54] <Kilos> or is that a complete command
[11:54] <kbmonkey> ah, NAME would be whatever name you gave the profile you added :)
[11:58] <Kilos> where do i put in that command
[11:58] <kbmonkey> 1) add a new terminal profile and call it NAME
[11:59] <kbmonkey> 2) create a shortcut on your desktop or a launcher in your menu, with the command
[11:59] <kbmonkey> that's all
[11:59] <Kilos> oh you mean use that command in the terminal to open elinks?
[12:00] <kbmonkey> yup
[12:00] <Kilos> whew
[12:00] <kbmonkey> you can run it in a terminal, but you can put it in a shortcut on your desktop for easiness
[12:00] <kbmonkey> "gnome-terminal --window-with-profile=NAME --execute elinks"
[12:01] <kbmonkey> sorry I am going quite fast today. was up super early to jog XD
[12:01] <Kilos> what has changed
[12:02] <Kilos> looks same
[12:02] <Kilos> np
[12:02] <kbmonkey> just thought you would like this trick
[12:02] <Kilos> lol whats changed
[12:02] <Kilos> its easier to type just elinks in terminal
[12:02] <kbmonkey> you can now change the font of the NAME profile
[12:03] <Kilos> oh
[12:03] <kbmonkey> choose something more readable, so it looks more like a real web page
[12:03] <kbmonkey> and its easier to click on the links with your mouse!
[12:03] <kbmonkey> you can also set a custom title for the window if you want
[12:04] <kbmonkey> disable scroll bars if you need, and such things. just little tricks
[12:05] <Kilos> i havent even been able to find fonts in elinks or make a shortcut to desktop even
[12:05] <Kilos> sigh
[12:06] <kbmonkey> you mean gnome-terminal. you change the fonts in there, not elinks
[12:06] <kbmonkey> oh is okay, just thought I point that out :)
[12:07] <Kilos> where is this gnome terminal
[12:07] <Kilos> i got plain terminal and root terminal
[12:08] <kbmonkey> click the menu "Help" and "About", what does that say
[12:08] <Kilos> dont laugh you too far away to klap
[12:08] <kbmonkey> he he he ;p
[12:08] <kbmonkey> just the plain terminal should do
[12:09] <kbmonkey> only use root for admin type stuff
[12:09] <Kilos> the help has contents and get help online etc
[12:09] <magespawn> later all, another game drive in the rain today. will tweet some more photos if possible.
[12:09] <Kilos> ok magespawn
[12:10] <kbmonkey> sounds great enjoy magespawn
[12:12] <Kilos> leave that thing for now i will read the contents of that gnome terminal help
[12:12] <Kilos> whew
[12:36] <Kilos> bbl
[18:48] <Kilos> evning all of ya
[18:48] <Kilos> evening as well
[18:52] <nlsthzn> Alo uncle Kilos ... I have to go and play some Word of Tanks now to figure out why I should bother :p
[18:53] <Kilos> lol explain that in english
[18:54] <Kilos> if its a game then go enjoy
[18:54] <Kilos> its the to figure out bit i no unnerstand
[19:00] <Kilos> hi Waceman
[19:00] <Kilos> did you win
[19:00] <Kilos> sorry we were busy inna meeting last night
[19:00] <Waceman> no worries... not yet mate..
[19:01] <Waceman> trying to install the drivers from a manual download
[19:01] <Kilos> was something with nvidia hey
[19:01] <Waceman> but the installer says I need to do something with Kernal Sources and Kernal Headers?
[19:01] <Waceman> I've downloaded a package which says it has support for my card
[19:02] <Waceman> so think this will do the trick..
[19:02] <Kilos> need to do what
[19:02] <Kilos> lets hope
[19:02] <Waceman> quite a mission ;)
[19:02] <Waceman> going to go mal when I get this working!	:D
[19:04] <Kilos> mine worked on default
[19:04] <Kilos> havent ever needed other drivers
[19:04] <Waceman> how new is your pc? nvidia?
[19:05] <Kilos> and my pc old
[19:05] <Kilos> methinks 1999
[19:05] <Kilos> first p4
[19:05] <Waceman> 11.10?
[19:05] <Waceman> I think I got mine in 2001
[19:05] <Waceman> still plays quake 3 like a champ! 8)
[19:06] <Kilos> and ati graphics but withonly 32m ram on graphics card
[19:06] <Waceman> yeah, me too
[19:06] <Waceman> using 11.04 with gnome atm... dig it
[19:06] <Waceman> on this pc
[19:07] <Kilos> yeah gnome works well for me but i on maverick and will go ocelot inna few weeks
[19:08] <Kilos> i tried 11.04 and it complained about the graphics card
[19:08] <Kilos> then something didnt work kiff so i went back to 10.10
[19:08] <Kilos> quake3 on windows?
[19:09] <Kilos> i gave up gaming when i went ubuntu
[19:10] <Kilos> hey Vince-0 what are you using
[19:10] <Kilos> OS wise
[19:10] <Waceman> yeah windows ME haha
[19:10] <Kilos> lol
[19:10] <Waceman> I gave up gaming a couple years ago too
[19:10] <Waceman> with win ME, I used to format the thing once a week
[19:11] <Kilos> we used to have some guys here that were big time gamers
[19:11] <Kilos> oh yes i know all about win me
[19:11] <Kilos> wasnt bad at all
[19:11] <Kilos> as long as you dont mind formatting often as you say
[19:12] <Kilos> then i went xp and formatted even more often
[19:12] <Kilos> then i went online for the first time and learned about virusses
[19:15] <Waceman> haha
[19:15] <Waceman> OK - here's the error... brace yourself
[19:15] <Kilos> lol sometimes formatted twice in one day
[19:15] <Waceman> "Depending on where and how the kernel sources (or the kernel headers) were installed, you may need to specify their location with the SYSSRC environment variable or the equivalient nvidia-installer command line option."
[19:16] <Kilos> superfly, please explain that in ballie taal for me
[19:17] <Kilos> the kernel its talking about is what kernel
[19:17] <Kilos> the linux kernel or nvidia
[19:17] <Waceman> beats me man
[19:17] <Waceman> this is a read me on how to install the drivers
[19:17] <Kilos> Waceman, superfly is our local python fundi
[19:17] <Waceman> http://uk.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/71.86.14/README/README
[19:17] <Waceman> check the section on "KERNEL INTERFACES"
[19:18] <Kilos> have you read the readme?
[19:19] <Kilos> i havent got data to go see links
[19:19] <Kilos> sorry
[19:19] <Waceman> well, up until that section
[19:19] <Waceman> "[1] NOTE: installation requires that you have a linker installed.
[19:19] <Waceman> The linker, usually '/usr/bin/ld', is part of the binutils package;
[19:19] <Waceman> please be sure you have this package installed prior to installing the
[19:19] <Waceman> NVIDIA driver."
[19:19] <Waceman> what is this guys?
[19:20] <Kilos> lemme see in synaptic
[19:21] <Kilos> you have aptitude
[19:21] <Kilos> ??
[19:21] <Waceman> dunno ;P
[19:21] <Waceman> I have synaptic?
[19:21] <Kilos> you know how to use cli/
[19:21] <Kilos> terminal
[19:22] <Kilos> in synaptic type in binutils in the top right little window
[19:22] <Kilos> the search block
[19:23] <Kilos> it should show immediately
[19:23] <Waceman> I've shutdown lightdm as it was required by the installer...
[19:23] <Waceman> so it's just sitting on the error message atm
[19:23] <Kilos> without having to hit search
[19:24] <Kilos> ok that nvidia package
[19:24] <Kilos> have you got the details of which version nvidfia card it is
[19:24] <Waceman> ya
[19:25] <Kilos> look in synaptic type in nvidia
[19:25] <Kilos> and look through them for that version
[19:25] <Waceman> This is my problem: Driver version 71 is the only one that says it supports my card... the rest don't... in synapic.. the oldest driver package is 96.. no 71
[19:25] <afrodeity> () -  [/]
[19:26] <Kilos> eish
[19:26] <afrodeity> silly plugin
[19:26] <Kilos> what does that mean afrodeity
[19:26] <afrodeity> weechat didn't load something
[19:26] <afrodeity> or I forget the key combo
[19:27] <Kilos> Waceman,
[19:27] <Kilos> you have that package downloaded hey?
[19:27] <Kilos> is it a .deb file
[19:27] <Waceman> yes, it's sitting in my downloads folder
[19:27] <Waceman> no, it's a .run
[19:27] <Kilos> there the prob
[19:27] <afrodeity> how old is the card?
[19:27] <Waceman> 2001 ;)
[19:28] <afrodeity> lovely
[19:28] <Waceman> GeForce 256 DDR
[19:28] <Waceman> it's great
[19:28] <Kilos> in synaptic get alien
[19:28] <Waceman> why? haha
[19:28] <Kilos> ubuntu likes .deb files
[19:29] <Waceman> the install doesn't work with GUI... it requires the GUI to be shut down.. only terminal
[19:29] <Kilos> alien converts .tar.gz and if i member it can convert .run files to .deb as well
[19:29] <Waceman> ?
[19:29] <afrodeity> then use a terminal
[19:30] <Kilos> you have no gui at the moment??
[19:30] <afrodeity> no battery in my mouse
[19:30] <afrodeity> so i flipped off the gui
[19:30] <afrodeity> it much better down here
[19:31] <Kilos> not you afrodeity Waceman
[19:31] <afrodeity> lol
[19:31] <Waceman> Kilos: no GUI
[19:31] <Kilos> Waceman, have you got gui at the moment
[19:31] <Waceman> only terminal
[19:31] <afrodeity> gr8
[19:31] <Waceman> more of the installation error
[19:31] <Waceman> "If you are using Linux 2.6 kernel, please make sure you hav configured kernel sources matching your kernel installed on your system. IF you specified a seperate output directory using either the "KBUILD_OUTPUT" or the "O" KBUILD parameter, make sure to specify this directory with the SYSOUT environment variable or with the equivalent nvidia -installer command line option."
[19:31] <Kilos> ok the in terminal type in
[19:31] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install alien
[19:32] <afrodeity> did you self-install your kernel?
[19:32] <Waceman> no
[19:32] <afrodeity> ok I get it you want to compile the nvidia driver?
[19:33] <Waceman> does this alien convert the package to a dep file?
[19:33] <Waceman> I dunno?
[19:33] <Kilos> yes alien is a converter of .tar and .run to .deb
[19:33] <afrodeity> compile from source matching your card description, at least last known working source for card
[19:34] <Waceman> afrodeity: to get you up to speed... I have shiteold graphics card... none of the conventional ways of installing the nvidia drivers works... The only driver package which supporsts my card is package 71... So I downloaded if off www.nvidia.com... trying to install that
[19:34] <afrodeity> good
[19:34] <Waceman> Kilos: the install file is running...
[19:35] <Waceman> but gives the abovementioned errors after a couple of steps
[19:35] <Kilos> why it started running now?
[19:35] <Kilos> eish
[19:35] <Waceman> always was running
[19:35] <Kilos> ok
[19:35] <Waceman> I used "sh" command
[19:36] <Kilos> have you got alien now
[19:36] <afrodeity> i've configured my kernel sources once
[19:36] <afrodeity> was some time ago
[19:36] <Waceman> afrodeity: http://uk.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/71.86.14/README/README
[19:36] <Waceman> Check that out, and look under "Kernel Interfaces" and let me know if it makes sense?
[19:36] <afrodeity> have to switch to another term to do tht
[19:37] <Kilos> Waceman, look at that site and see if they have a .deb file
[19:37] <Waceman> ok lemme try it... but I don't think that's the problem
[19:38] <Kilos> on ubuntu you cant install .tar or .run files directly
[19:38] <Kilos> unless you very clever
[19:39] <Kilos> but i dont understand why your install didnt give you a default gui
[19:40] <Waceman> this is what came in the readme
[19:40] <Waceman> Before beginning the driver installation, you should exit the X server.
[19:41] <afrodeity> README looks terrible in elinks
[19:41] <Waceman> doesn't look much better on prober gui ;)
[19:42] <afrodeity> I need a browser list down here
[19:43] <Kilos> down where
[19:43] <afrodeity> xterm
[19:43] <Kilos> why you closed gui
[19:44] <Kilos> Waceman, sorry i was thinking of .rpm paclage
[19:44] <Kilos> packages
[19:45] <Kilos> ok Waceman lets see if you have gdebi
[19:46] <Kilos> then you right click the package and install with gdebi package manager and it will get dependancies that are needed too
[19:47] <Waceman> Kilos: appreciate the help.. but I think you're going in the wrong direction
[19:47] <Kilos> i think from maverick gdebi is not installed by default
[19:47] <superfly> Waceman: you need to install the "build-essential" package, if you haven't already
[19:47] <Waceman> the installer won't work in GUI no matter what you do to it
[19:47] <Waceman> yes, I've done that superfly
[19:48] <superfly> Waceman: installing "linux-headers" should install the headers compatible with your kernel
[19:48] <afrodeity> yes
[19:48] <superfly> Waceman: then, I think you need to run the .run file as root
[19:48] <Waceman> superfly, I used "sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-`uname -r`"
[19:48] <Waceman> ??
[19:48] <superfly> that works too
[19:48] <Waceman> I've done that too
[19:49] <superfly> Waceman: Ubuntu has meta-packages, so you install one and it installs the correct version for you
[19:49] <superfly> Waceman: is that the only output you get, or is there other stuff too?
[19:50] <superfly> that just doesn't sound like the entire story to me
[19:50] <Waceman> ??
[19:51] <Waceman> maybe the driver package is just too old for 11.10?
[19:51] <afrodeity> there used to be a lot more cli browsers on my system
[19:52] <Waceman> superfly, can I send you the error log file?
[19:52] <superfly> Waceman: pastebin.com please
[19:52] <Waceman> k, it's on my other pc.. just have to reboot to get it ;p
[19:52] <afrodeity> pastebin
[19:53] <afrodeity> not the command sorry
[19:54] <afrodeity> pastbinit
[19:54] <afrodeity> pastebinit
[19:55] <afrodeity> :)
[19:58] <Waceman> superfly, this is the readme for the install file... maybe you'll understand it better than I do: http://uk.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/71.86.14/README/README
[19:58] <Kilos> afrodeity, lynx links and links2
[19:59] <Kilos> Waceman, did you have no gui from when you started installing
[19:59] <Waceman> Kilos: the readme for the installer said I had to kill X server
[20:00] <Waceman> so I did everthing from a terminal
[20:00] <Waceman> cuz the intaller won't work with gui running.. it promts you to kill it
[20:00] <Kilos> from the ubuntu installer
[20:01] <Waceman> no
[20:01] <Kilos> didnt you even see the ubuntu options to install or try
[20:01] <afrodeity> Kilos: was looking for links2 thx
[20:02] <Kilos> no what
[20:02] <Kilos> yw
[20:02] <Waceman> I tried software centre... did not work
[20:02] <Waceman> I tried every version synaptic had to offer... did not work..
[20:02] <Waceman> Now I'm trying to install the drivers manuall.. and they just so happen to be the ones that support my card
[20:02] <Kilos> i am asking about when you installed ubuntu
[20:02] <Kilos> before the nvidia thing
[20:02] <Waceman> I installed it fresh off a cd
[20:03] <Kilos> ajnd all in cli
[20:03] <Kilos> no graphics at all
[20:03] <Waceman> no man.. the graphics work.. but it's very slow 2D...
[20:04] <Kilos> whew i got worried there
[20:04] <Waceman> haha - geepers this is quite a frustrating one
[20:04] <Kilos> Kerbero, wb
[20:05] <Kilos> Waceman, have you only got 11.10 there
[20:05] <Kerbero> wtf was that?
[20:05] <Kilos> you went
[20:05]  * Kerbero swears at ubuntu
[20:05] <Kerbero> there is a new distro out there
[20:05] <Kilos> remote guy killed your connection
[20:05] <Kerbero> it is called fubuntu
[20:05] <Kilos> lol
[20:05] <Kilos> sis
[20:06] <Kerbero> my computer logged out as soon as i pressed enter
[20:06] <Kerbero> as a reply to your "wb"
[20:06] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[20:06] <Kilos> is it fixed now
[20:06] <Kerbero> well i can type now
[20:06] <Kerbero> without it logging out
[20:06] <Kerbero> but ubuntu is still fubarred
[20:07] <Kerbero> ie, still fubuntu running here
[20:07] <Kilos> 11.10 Kerbero
[20:07] <Kerbero> 11.10 gave me problems from the start
[20:07] <Kilos> never done these things before
[20:07] <Waceman> superfly, here's the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/gt7ay5R6
[20:08] <Vince-0> Eh!
[20:08] <Kerbero> and unity doesn't handle my dualscreen well at all
[20:09] <Vince-0> was afk: Kilos - I'm running android phone, transformer, ubuntu 11.04 media PC, Centos6 server
[20:09] <afrodeity> foobuntu
[20:09] <Kilos> thats great Vince-0
[20:09] <afrodeity> i need a better clibrowser
[20:10] <Vince-0> I like unity cos its easy to use from a tablet via vnc to desktop attached to TV!
[20:11] <Kerbero> unity is really nice
[20:11] <Vince-0> but I run 10.04 on work latop, gnome2 with compiz multiple desktops
[20:11] <Kerbero> i installed debian last night with gnome 2
[20:11] <Kerbero> it just doesn't come near unity
[20:11] <Waceman> Kerbero: been having nvidia troubles, seen many people having dual screen problems
[20:11] <Kerbero> but i really need it to be stable
[20:12] <Kerbero> Waceman: i'm using a nvidia card
[20:12] <Vince-0> which is what I'm about to do now - TV! so peace out ubuntu-za
[20:12] <Kerbero> but havn't installed the drivers yet
[20:12] <Waceman> good luck! I've been battling with an old nvidia card....
[20:12] <Kerbero> so i guess i'm using the neveau drivers
[20:13] <Waceman> I haven't tried those, you?
[20:13] <Kerbero> don't know if i should install the drivers or not
[20:13] <Kerbero> well they should be the deafoult now
[20:13] <afrodeity> try rebooting into the console
[20:13] <afrodeity> shift or tab depending on the version
[20:13] <afrodeity> when you reboot hold the key down
[20:14] <superfly> Waceman: you could try the noveau drivers, they might actually work for you
[20:14] <Waceman> ok, I'll do that next
[20:15] <Waceman> superfly, what do you make of this, "ADVANCED: You can install the NVIDIA kernel module for a non
[20:15] <Waceman>    running kernel (for example: in the situation where you just built
[20:15] <Waceman>    and installed a new kernel, but have not rebooted yet) with a command
[20:15] <Waceman>    line such as this:
[20:15] <Waceman>     sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-71.86.14-pkg1.run --kernel-name='KERNEL_NAME'
[20:15] <Waceman> "
[20:16] <superfly> Waceman: that has no bearing on what you're doing unless you upgraded the kernel after having installed the drivers
[20:16] <Waceman> ok, did you see the error on pastebin... I have no idea what's wrong?
[20:17] <superfly> I honestly don't know either, it doesn't seem to really say what the problem is
[20:19] <Waceman> So any ideas from this at all, "Depending on where and how the kernel sources (or the
[20:19] <Waceman>        kernel headers) were installed, you may need to specify
[20:19] <Waceman>        their location with the SYSSRC environment variable or
[20:19] <Waceman>        the equivalent nvidia-installer command line option." - eish I feel like I'm so close
[20:23] <Kilos> Waceman, was this your prob
[20:24] <Kilos> http://blog.al4.co.nz/2011/10/slow-desktop-performance-on-ubuntu-11-10-with-nvidia-graphics-cards/
[20:24] <superfly> Waceman: I'd suggest trying the noveau drivers
[20:24] <Waceman> thanks guys
[20:25] <Kerbero> "slow performance" is a understatement
[20:25] <Kerbero> my mouse is lagging
[20:25] <Kilos> sorry it not fixed yet
[20:25] <Kilos> are they all nvidia related
[20:25] <Kerbero> well no idea
[20:25] <Waceman> yeah my mouse was shockingly slow
[20:25] <Kerbero> only been using this install for about 20hrs now
[20:26] <Waceman> I wanted to install 10.04, but can't find my CD ;(
[20:26] <Kilos> Waceman, dont stay away when you foud the prob
[20:26] <Waceman> Kerbero: I activated the drivers and it was much faster... only thing is Unity didn't load... :P
[20:26] <Kilos> Waceman, you uncapped
[20:26] <Waceman> no, but got bandwidth
[20:26] <Kilos> unity wont use a 32m graphics card
[20:27] <Waceman> is that the problem??
[20:27] <Kilos> no i was thinking of downloading the iso for maverick but data is too expensive
[20:27] <Waceman> you on adsl?
[20:28] <Kilos> no
[20:28] <Kilos> voda
[20:28] <Waceman> eish 3G is very expensive... I've been chowed by them for a couple years..
[20:28] <Kilos> yeah its murder
[20:29] <Kilos> would be interested to see if maverick works there
[20:30] <Waceman> superfly, does this make sense to you? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=62667
[20:35] <Kilos> nlsthzn, you not in bed yet
[20:40] <Kilos> Waceman, when you found the solution blog about it so others can get help
[20:40] <Waceman> I'm trying your updated drivers now
[20:40] <Waceman> then I'll try nouveau
[20:40] <Waceman> then I'll throw the pc out the window
[20:40] <Kilos> no man
[20:41] <Kilos> lol
[20:41] <Kilos> im msure unity is more mod pc oriented
[20:41] <Kilos> orientated
[20:41] <nlsthzn> Kilos, not yet... changing to night shift of tomorrow night
[20:41] <Waceman> ya... but my pc could play quake 3 perfectly ;)
[20:42] <Kilos> mine plays AOE3 but in some funny mode because it needs a 64m graphics card
[20:43] <Kilos> with xp
[20:43] <Kilos> but it cant do ubity
[20:43] <Kilos> unity
[20:43] <Kilos> time to learn kubuntu
[20:44] <nlsthzn> kde can be heavy with all the pretty set up high
[20:44] <Kilos> eish
[20:45] <Kilos> nlsthzn, is the unity package in maverick the same as unity in 11.04 and 11.10
[20:46] <Kilos> its only 1 and a bit meg download
[20:46] <nlsthzn> Kilos, no (AFAIK)
[20:46] <Kilos> i just dunno what it will do to my gnome
[20:46] <nlsthzn> the first Unity was a "netbook remix)
[20:47] <nlsthzn> then it changed for Natty
[20:47] <Kilos> oh so trying it in maverick is a waste of time
[20:47] <Kilos> and data
[20:48] <Kilos> Kerbero, you different nick from work?
[20:48]  * nlsthzn agrees
[20:48] <Kerbero> nope
[20:48] <Kilos> who is that dlimit
[20:49] <Kerbero> ne idea
[20:49] <Kerbero> my stuff seems to work actually
[20:49] <Kerbero> with the nvidia drivers
[20:50] <nlsthzn> lekker slaap almal
[20:51] <Kilos> nag nlsthzn  jy ook
[20:51] <Kilos> Waceman, try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[20:52] <Waceman> k, still installing new version
[20:52] <Kilos> oh ok
[20:52] <Kilos> hope it works now
[20:53] <Kilos> new version of nvidia hey/
[20:53] <Kilos> not new ubuntu
[20:53] <Waceman> how do I connect to the international ubuntu chatroom?
[20:53] <Waceman> ya
[20:53] <Waceman> ;p
[20:53] <Kilos> lol
[20:53] <Kilos>    /j #ubuntu
[20:54] <Kilos> theres 1700 peeps there
[20:55] <Kilos> can get lost there
[20:56] <Kilos> dunno how anyone follows that lot
[20:56] <Waceman> Empathy froze..
[20:57] <Kilos> you here on empathy?
[20:57] <Kilos> get xchat
[20:57] <Waceman> ya
[20:57] <Kilos> i dont like empathy
[20:58] <Kilos> use xchat for irc and pidgin for other im
[21:04] <Kilos> good luck Waceman see you tomorrow again
[21:04] <afrodeity> weechat plus byobu
[21:04] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[21:04] <Waceman> cheers man... sorry on the phone
[21:04] <Waceman> thanks for your help
[21:04] <Kilos> np
[21:04] <Kilos> i here every day
[21:04] <Kilos> thnk when its working
[21:04] <afrodeity> miles is a bot
[21:04] <Kilos> maybe i dream up a solution
[21:05] <Kilos> lol
[21:05] <afrodeity> cli cult
[21:05] <Kilos> too much brain work
[21:05] <Kilos> hey Waceman
[21:06] <Waceman> ?
[21:06] <Kilos> can you get back to before you tried to install the nvidia driver
[21:06] <Kilos> like a recovery mode on booting
[21:07] <Kilos> an early one
[21:08] <Waceman> think so
[21:08] <Waceman> ?
[21:08] <Waceman> I may just reinstall the whole OS
[21:08] <afrodeity> what I suggested
[21:08] <afrodeity> not
[21:08] <afrodeity> recovery mode
[21:08] <Kilos> then go with those noveau drivers from there
[21:08] <Waceman> ok
[21:09] <Kilos> or install from  scratch might be quicker
[21:09] <Kilos> lol
[21:12] <Kilos> i think also maybe where it said driver is installed but not activated or something
[21:12] <Waceman> yeah it said that??
[21:12] <Kilos> could be because there another driver working there that needs to be removed first
[21:12] <Kilos> like clash of interests
[21:12] <Waceman> I removed them all... then installed just 96
[21:13] <Kilos> whew
[21:14] <Kilos> youm still in cli mode\
[21:15] <Kilos> how do you get to synaptic from there
[21:17] <Kilos> in synaptic you can try edit and fix broken
[21:17] <Kilos> if ocelot still has that function
[21:18] <Kilos> or this
[21:18] <Kilos> sudo apt-get --fix-broken
[21:19] <Kilos> sudo apt-get -f install
[21:19] <Kilos> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[21:20] <Kilos> lol hopefully one of them works
[21:21] <tumbleweed> those get you out of a partial upgrade
[21:21] <tumbleweed> if dpkg hasn't aborted, none of those will do anything useful for you
[21:21]  * tumbleweed reads the backscroll
[21:21] <Kilos> ty tumbleweed he has crazy nvidia probs
[21:21] <Kilos> driver installed but not activated
[21:22] <tumbleweed> did I see something about downloading the driver from nivida.com? Seriously don't do that. It does horrible things that are hard to undo
[21:22]  * tumbleweed once spent a couple of hours trying to uninstall one of those...
[21:22] <Kilos> Waceman, ^^
[21:23] <Kilos> he needs an old driver tumbleweed
[21:23] <Kilos> he found it but then probs started
[21:23] <Kilos> was a .run packge
[21:23] <tumbleweed> yeah :/
[21:23] <tumbleweed> oh wow, that card is a relic :)
[21:24] <tumbleweed> right, not supported by any of the packaged drivers...
[21:25] <Kilos> oh my
[21:29] <Kilos> Waceman, where are you
[21:30] <Kilos> night guys. i falling of chair here
[21:30] <Waceman> yo, was on the phone
[21:31] <tumbleweed> Waceman: so, what was the problem with the driver package you downloaded from nvidia?
[21:32] <Waceman> OK, so brand new fresh install, on an old pc... everything loads fine... except everything is very slow.. mouse jittering... so I realise nvidia drivers not installed... So installing nvidia-current
[21:33] <Waceman> reboot... all seems fine.. but Unity doesn't load... if I get "Additional Drivers" says driver is activated but not in use"...
[21:33] <Waceman> removed that driver.. then went to synaptic package manager... installed version 96... which is an older version...
[21:33] <tumbleweed> right, because none of the nvidia drivers packaged for Ubuntu support your card
[21:33] <Waceman> Unity loads on reboot... but still jittery
[21:33] <Waceman> right
[21:33] <tumbleweed> the 96 verison supports GeForce series 2 and later, according to the package description
[21:33] <Waceman> so I found a package.. 71
[21:34] <tumbleweed> yeah, that's what you need
[21:34] <Waceman> yeah, but I have GeForce 256 DDR
[21:34] <tumbleweed> 256 < 2
[21:34] <Waceman> but package 71 is only on nVidia website, not in synaptic
[21:34] <tumbleweed> correct
[21:34] <Waceman> yes
[21:34] <tumbleweed> and now?
[21:35] <Waceman> ok, so Then I try to run the intsallation file, and I get Kernel Source / Headers error
[21:35] <tumbleweed> do you have linux-headers-generic installed?
[21:35] <Waceman> not sure?
[21:36] <Waceman> but I think I"ve tried that
[21:36] <tumbleweed> install it, then
[21:36] <tumbleweed> ok, what exactly was that error you are getting
[21:36] <Waceman> first, I'd like to remove this repository? add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates
[21:37] <Waceman> cuz I added it for the very latest drivers
[21:37] <tumbleweed> use ppa-purge
[21:37] <Waceman> what's the full command line for that?
[21:37] <tumbleweed> install the ppa-purge package
[21:37] <Waceman> I'm newb my brother ;)
[21:37] <tumbleweed> sudo apt-get install ppa-purge
[21:38] <Waceman> ok, have found it on synaptic?
[21:38] <Waceman> same thing?
[21:38] <tumbleweed> install it
[21:38] <tumbleweed> yes
[21:38] <tumbleweed> then run sudo ppa-purge ppa:ubuntu-x-swat/x-updates
[21:45] <Waceman> sorry man, had to get rid of a rain spider... ok all is uninstalled...
[21:46] <Waceman> tumbleweed: what's the command of linux-headers?
[21:46] <tumbleweed> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-generic
[21:46] <tumbleweed> (you might notice the pattern) :P
[21:47] <Waceman> hehe :)
[21:47] <Waceman> OK, says I already have the newest version
[21:48] <Waceman> This is the driver I'm Installing: http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/linux-display-ia32-71.86.14-driver-uk.html Maybe the readme will make more sense to you.
[21:48] <tumbleweed> sounds right
[21:48] <tumbleweed> ok, what's the error you are seeing?
[21:49] <Waceman> Here's the error log when I run the install file... http://pastebin.com/jnSz3L0K
[21:50] <tumbleweed> it doesn't support your kernel version
[21:50] <tumbleweed> probably expecting 2.6 rather than  3.0
[21:50] <Waceman> ok, anyway around it?
[21:50] <Waceman> ya
[21:51] <tumbleweed> not easily
[21:51] <Waceman> so my PC just too old for 11.10?
[21:52] <tumbleweed> Is nouveau not usable? That's what I use
[21:52] <Waceman> That's what I'm going to try now
[21:52] <tumbleweed> you probably want unity-2d
[21:52] <Waceman> how's the 3d for that?
[21:52] <tumbleweed> 3d causes it to crash, so I avoid that
[21:53] <tumbleweed> but I can get away with a few minutes of 3d every now and then
[21:53] <Waceman> It logs me in with the 3d version, but it's really 2d
[21:53] <Waceman> ok, shall I use synaptic for nouveau?
[21:53] <tumbleweed> (the machine I'm talking about runs Debian, so I haven't tried unity on nouveau)
[21:53] <tumbleweed> also, nouveau 3d support varies between card models
[21:53] <Waceman> worth a try for me
[21:54] <tumbleweed> right, there's nothing you need to install. You're probably already using it
[21:54] <Waceman> I removed all nouveau looking things in synaptic, in case there was a conflict ;)
[21:55] <tumbleweed> ok, in that case install xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[21:56] <Waceman> k, will I need to activate it? or is that just for propriotary?
[21:56] <tumbleweed> correct, it'll just work
[21:58] <Waceman> ok, how do I make it auto log in on 2d?
[21:58] <tumbleweed> click on the nut to the right of the login dialog and select unity-2d
[21:58] <Waceman> ok, but I'm not using a login screen... just auto loading into ubunut
[21:59] <tumbleweed> reenable the login screen then :)
[21:59] <Waceman> hehe
[21:59] <Waceman> what kernel is 11.04?
[21:59] <Waceman> kernel version?
[22:01] <tumbleweed> 2.6.38
[22:02] <Waceman> nouveau is just a bit laggy.. no way you can think of getting those drivers installed?
[22:04] <tumbleweed> not without playing with them myself.
[22:04] <tumbleweed> you can wait for nvidia to update them for newer kernels...
[22:06] <Waceman> ok... btw, when I installed the 96 ones... and updated the xorg.conf ... my pc didn't boot into any GUI...
[22:06] <Waceman> could only use terminal
[22:07] <tumbleweed> right, because X couldn't start with te configuration file you'd told it to use
[22:08] <Waceman> cuz the drivers didn't support my card?
[22:08] <tumbleweed> yes
[22:08] <Waceman> ok thanks man.. you've been very helpful :)
[22:08] <tumbleweed> np
[22:09] <Waceman> which linux do you use?
[22:10]  * tumbleweed is a Debian & Ubuntu Developer. But I primarily use Debian
[22:11] <Waceman> so you are quite hardcore then ;p
[22:11] <tumbleweed> heh, a little
[22:13] <Waceman> thanks man, I'm outta here
[22:15] <tumbleweed> cheers, good luck
[22:15] <tumbleweed> I'm amazed that card is still functional
[22:15] <Waceman> lol - played Quake 3 like a champion
[22:19] <Waceman> tumbleweed: I'm back - if I install an older version of ubuntu, which would you recommend?
[22:19] <tumbleweed> lucid, it's LTS
[22:19] <Waceman> 10.04?
[22:19] <tumbleweed> yeah
[22:19] <tumbleweed> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[22:20] <tumbleweed> maverick and natty both go out of support next year
[22:20] <Waceman> ok thanks!


[15:07] <eevee_> hello
[17:59] <MohWozEreLikeAB0> hi
[17:59] <MohWozEreLikeAB0> GUys what is lubuntuuu
[19:26] <jpc1123> installation unable to install bootloader
[19:28] <jpc1123> any ideas?


[08:49] <bobweaver> Hello there I am trying to configure Single SignOn options with one of my sites for members to log in.  I didn't sign and can use bzr and ppas just fine, as far as I noticed
[23:18] <tsimpson> rebel: you need to sign the CoC to create PPAs
[23:19] <rebel> tsimpson: https://launchpad.net/~rebel "Signed Ubuntu Code of Conduct: No" https://launchpad.net/~rebel/+archive/ppa explain this then
[23:21] <tsimpson> rebel: probably bugs, see https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA#Activating_a_PPA
[23:21] <dobey> i don't even see the "Signed Ubuntu ..." bit on your lp user page
[23:22] <rebel> tehe. fine with me, I'm not too eager to sign it
[23:23] <tsimpson> the PPA service is mostly an Ubuntu service (delivered via LP), so the Community Council want you to say you won't kill the kittens
[23:23] <rebel> "We expect members of the Ubuntu community to be respectful [...] with people outside the Ubuntu project" bugs me, I like to be able to not respect certain people
[23:24] <tsimpson> being respectful does not require you to respect them
[23:24] <dobey> rebel: there's a difference between being respectful, and not respecting them
[23:25] <dobey> anyway, i'm not really here :)
[23:26] <rebel> ic


[14:20] <willcooke> Hello folks, could I get an Ubuntu member cloak please?  https://launchpad.net/~willcooke
[14:21] <Pici> willcooke: sure.. give me a moment to confer with the cloak gods.
[14:22] <Pici> willcooke: this will replace your canonical cloak, is that okay?
[14:24] <willcooke> Pici, yeah that's good. thanks
[14:30] <hggdh> willcooke: welcome to the new cloak :-)
[14:30] <willcooke> thanks! \o/
[14:37] <Pici> woo
[14:37]  * genii passes around celebratory beverages
[22:57] <benonsoftware>  /buffer 95


[18:17] <sputnick> Is it possible to use an application to 'record' a series of GUI actions a user performs as autopilot code? I've tried searching but not found a clear answer.
[18:18] <sputnick> by possible, I mean, does such an application already exist?
[20:37] <balloons> howdy veebers . Happy Friday to you!
[20:38] <veebers> hey balloons o/ How's things?
[20:39] <balloons> not too bad, looking forward to the sprint. I have too many things to talk about. I think you guys will get sick of me rather quick!
[20:40] <veebers> balloons: heh I doubt it, I'm also looking forward to the sprint (not the travel though :-P) There is a lot lined up to talk about which is good
[20:59] <brendand_> veebers, don't worry i have a plan to lock balloons in a cupboard somewhere
[20:59] <brendand_> oh shoot, supposed to /query veebers first :P
[20:59] <balloons> ohh boy.. who invitied brendand_ anyway?
[20:59] <balloons> :p
[20:59] <balloons> thanks for the heads up..
[20:59]  * balloons brings roller skates for the get away
[21:00]  * brendand_ flashes forward to trying to catch balloons on rollerskates
[21:00] <brendand_> well this week is going to be interesting...
[21:01] <veebers> ^_^
[21:04] <balloons> :-)


 The recommendations from website are to backup files and install 20.04 rather than upgrade.
[12:17] <Maik> @matkoniecz if your talking to the one that was here yesterday, they are long gone. One of the reasons i dislike bridges from matrix, telegram and the like to irc....
[12:17] <Maik> you guys never see when someone leaves
[12:19] <kc2bez> It is possible to check on the Telegram side. `/names` will display the users in IRC.
[12:19] <kc2bez> Also, the channel is logged so someone could go back and read the log.
[12:36] <Maik> Pretty sure that 90% to 95% of the users who come here don't even know about the channels being logged, don't read the topic and don't bother with it. :)
[12:36] <Maik> Been on IRC long enough myself to know that. ;)
[12:52] <rgh> Maik: matrix shows leave / join messages
[12:53] <Maik> good for matrix then, i dropped it long ago
[14:49] <Reb> hi