[00:22] <hmuller> crimsun:  Sorry for the delay, I reinstalled desktop amd64 alpha 4 to get back to the base install
[00:23] <crimsun> ok, so can you run:  pasuspender -- aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav
[00:25] <hmuller> ... installing pulseaudio-utils first
[00:25] <crimsun> you also will need libflashsupport and padevchooser
[00:26] <crimsun> libflashsupport is necessary for non-Free Flash 9
[00:26] <hmuller> paususpender reported that it was playing ... but no sound emitted
[00:26] <hmuller> will inistall the other two you just mentioned and try again
[00:27] <crimsun> ok, then it's not really a PA issue
[00:27] <crimsun> you need ALSA working (audibly) first.
[00:28] <hmuller> ok, same results
[00:29] <hmuller> alright, I'll try to get ALSA working then first
[00:29] <crimsun> hold on
[00:29] <crimsun> don't go trying $random to do that
[00:29] <crimsun> first, download http://trilug.org/~crimsun/alsa-info.sh and run it
[00:29] <crimsun> then, tell me the URL that script generates
[00:31] <hmuller> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/891922
[00:33] <Xsss4hell> does Hardy have TABBED NAUTILUS??
[00:34] <Xsss4hell> ?
[00:34] <hmuller> Xsss4hell - it doesn't look tabbed to me
[00:34] <Xsss4hell> :( cry
[00:35] <crdlb> nope, but but you can have tabs with compiz :D
[00:35] <Xsss4hell> REALLY?
[00:35] <Xsss4hell> WOW
[00:35] <Xsss4hell> Opera has tabs, IE7 has tabs, Firefox has tabs. I love tabs. but why does the explorer whoops I mean Nautilus ;) miss the tabs??
[00:36]  * crdlb can't imagine how tabs in a file manager would be useful
[00:36] <Xsss4hell> crdlb how the heck can I have tabs with compiz?
[00:36]  * crdlb also uses spatial mode so what does he know ...
[00:36] <crdlb> the "Group and tab windows" plugin
[00:37] <Xsss4hell> I am working with my pc, that means, I am coding developing et cetera. So I have about 4-10Nautilus's open.. that sux Would like to have it in one browser. with sessions support like opera
[00:37] <Xsss4hell> crdlb  dude, that not really tabbing for me it's merely a kind of "effect"
[00:37]  * crdlb uses gnome-terminal + screen for such tasks
[00:38] <ere4si> pcmanfm has tabbed file management
[00:38] <crdlb> it allows you to group windows and click between them
[00:38] <Xsss4hell> I know screen...but don't know how to use it.
[00:38] <crdlb> that's as close as a window manager can get to tabbing
[00:38] <crimsun> hmuller: sec, I have pretty high latency ATM
[00:39] <hmuller> crimsun: no rush
[00:39] <Xsss4hell> pcmanfm is nearly great.. the very bad side is, that it can not be set as the main filebrowser and it is by far not as good as Nautilus, except tabbing
[00:40] <crimsun> hmuller: what's the output from:  grep -nHr "options snd-hda-intel" /etc/modprobe.d*
[00:40] <Xsss4hell> Do you want to know howto enable superior tabbing and session restore and skinning to vista's or xp's explorer?
[00:40] <Xsss4hell> QT!^
[00:41] <Xsss4hell> http://qttabbar-ja.wikidot.com/
[00:41] <Xsss4hell> english -> http://qttabbar.wikidot.com/
[00:42] <hmuller> crimsun:  that may be part of the problem, it returned nothing
[00:42] <Xsss4hell> I would love to have this greatness in linux
[00:43] <innertruth> what is most intensive 3D graphics app for linux?
[00:43] <Xsss4hell> blender or maya?
[00:44] <Xsss4hell> try rendering something complex ;)
[00:44] <innertruth> true
[00:44] <innertruth> well i actually thinking about game or benchmark
[00:45] <Xsss4hell> nothing I know that can use the power of your entire system more dramatically than maya
[00:45] <Xsss4hell> Ok maybe benchmarks
[00:45] <Xsss4hell> try searching in synaptic for benchmark?
[00:45] <crimsun> hmuller: no, that's not part of the problem.  It's a good thing. :)
[00:46] <Xsss4hell> isn't hardy getting tabs into nautilus? I got told that it will get something similar.. I hope not that old gay retro dual pane view...
[00:46] <crimsun> hmuller: you need alsa-driver 1.0.16rc2  (and /only/ alsa-driver, not alsa-{libs,utils,tools,..})
[00:47] <crimsun> hmuller: if you wait about 12 hours, I'll have uploaded a newer alsa-driver into hardy.
[00:48] <Xsss4hell> vista's explorer looks nice, but it's missing user friendlyness, some people like that sidebar on the right side, but no way in windows and linux
[00:48] <innertruth> Xsss4hell: never heard of tabbed nautilus, where you read it?
[00:48] <hmuller> crimsun: ok, I'm going to give it a shot, if I can't get it done I'll pull the update when it hits
[00:48] <Xsss4hell> and they all miss TABS
[00:48] <Xsss4hell> innertruth  I've seen somebody's sourcecode in koders.org but don't remember
[00:49] <hmuller> crimsun: I remember I had to use 1.0.16 to get the mics working in Gutsy, but 1.0.15 worked for basic sound
[00:49] <Xsss4hell> he/she implemented tabs.. but I think it was a quick & dirty patch
[00:51] <Xsss4hell> but Like I told you before the most amazing tool that makes your windows I know this is a ubuntu chanell, is: http://qttabbar.wikidot.com/ I just want that somebody likes the idea if they didn't think of it by their own and copies it to hardy
[00:56] <Xsss4hell> What a Perfect Filebrowser should be able to do:
[00:56] <Xsss4hell> - a breadcrumbs bar (check)
[00:56] <Xsss4hell> - bookmarks (partially/ only on left pane)
[00:56] <Xsss4hell> - more plugins (partially)
[00:56] <Xsss4hell> - more viewmodes ie. apple's viewmode (missing)
[00:56] <Xsss4hell> - customizable/scriptable ie. last/most used or mindmap or 3d mode (missing)
[00:56] <Xsss4hell> - tabs (missing)
[00:56] <Xsss4hell> - aligning the sidebar anywhere just as opera does (missing)
[00:56] <Xsss4hell> - grouping tabs (missing)
[00:56] <Xsss4hell> - resume/save session (missing)
[00:56] <Xsss4hell> taling about nautilus
[00:58] <Xsss4hell> I hope somebody reads and implements parts of this ideas.
[00:58] <Xsss4hell> good night/good fight
[01:01] <innertruth> i vote for more view modes
[01:02] <hmuller> crimsun:  I'm going to reboot into hardy, and retest
[01:02] <innertruth> like a simple list mode in xfce manager
[01:07] <hmuller> crimsun: http://pastebin.ca/891951  ---- it shows alsa driver 1.0.16rc2
[01:07] <innertruth> that problem with window title graphics corruption from 7.10 still not fixed in hardy, probably compiz issue
[01:07] <innertruth> like dissapearing close buttons
[01:21] <hmuller> crimsun:  modified gnome-volume-control settings, unmuted surround and now both ALSA and pulseaudio work as expected
[02:13] <cwillu_> I'm wanting dpkg to always run ionice -c3'd
[02:14] <cwillu_> can I put a dpkg script in /usr/local/bin to do that and expect it to override /usr/bin/dpkg?  or is that path hardcoded?
[02:46] <hmuller> crimsun: just reinstalled and retested.  alsa-driver 1.0.16rc2 is a requirement, and also to unmute surround
[02:47] <hmuller> I wanted to see if I only needed to unmute surround in the base install, but nope, 1.0.16rc2 is a must also
[02:52] <hmuller> Getting this message when inserting flashdrives --> "Cannot mount volume" "Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume."
[02:52] <hmuller> is this a known problem?
[02:53] <Dr_willis> ive not noticed it.. Not tried however. :) i will when i get back on  my testing machine
[02:54] <hmuller> They can be mounted manually through the terminal, I was just wondering if there was something 'special' we needed to do now under Hardy, i.e. set access rights etc.l
[02:54] <hmuller> In Gutsy, they just automount
[02:56] <theaxeman> I just installed Ubuntu on my third system in the last week. Everything's going great. But, I got to the login screen on this lastest install, and I must've typed in something wrong with my username/password during the setup and can't get in.
[02:56] <theaxeman> Is there a way to get in without doing a re-install?
[02:56] <avsa242> Can anyone (assuming they have the time...may be a bit consuming) confirm with Hardy, a fresh install of mythbackend-master an inability to connect to the mysql server (mine is bound to my lan ip, denies connections from it as well as localhost)?
[03:43] <DanaG> 2.6.24 scheduler is teh suck, in my opinion.
[03:45] <UnNaturalHigh> DanaG, and specific reason why?
[03:45] <DanaG> It doesn't handle 'nice' loads 'nicely'.
[03:46] <DanaG> If I run something CPU-intensive 'niced' in the background AND set to sched_idleprio, it bogs down the rest of the system.
[03:46] <UnNaturalHigh> hmmm....haven't noticed that on my end
[03:47] <UnNaturalHigh> I just converted a avi file with ffmpeg to an mpeg while it was niced and my system remained rather responsive
[03:47] <DanaG> bug 177713.
[03:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177713 in boinc "CFS in 2.6.24 kernel needs cpu_share adjustment for "niced" processes" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177713
[03:47] <DanaG> And check out the linked bugs, too.
[03:48] <DanaG> I'm running one instance of folding@home on each CPU core, at nice +19 and SCHED_IDLEPRIO.
[04:17] <lufis> Xorg issues. It's not remembering my session or resolution after restarting it
[04:19] <ethana3> ....it's been acting like it ignores mine
[04:19] <lufis> sigh
[04:19] <ethana3> sorry, i dropped offline for a sec there.. is it a radeon card?
[04:19] <lufis> intel onboard
[04:19] <ethana3> oh
[04:19] <lufis> i810
[04:19] <ethana3> i have one of those two
[04:20] <ethana3> i815 i think
[04:20] <ethana3> hold on..  lspci | grep intel
[04:21] <ethana3>  82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE
[04:21] <lufis> same as me :)
[04:21] <ethana3> that is?
[04:21] <lufis> same...
[04:21] <ethana3> i'm using my radeon card right now
[04:21] <lufis> oh
[04:21] <ethana3> if you hang out here alot
[04:21] <ethana3> then you'll probably know i want to use both
[04:21] <ethana3> for dual seat..  if that matters
[04:22] <lufis> i have a radeon around here somwhere
[04:51] <DanaG> Wow, compiz-fusion is momentarily freezing every time I unminimize something.
[04:56] <DanaG> Ugh, /me hates CFS.
[04:57] <DanaG> Woah.
[05:01] <RB2> xhaman, you may want to ask again now that the netsplit's over
[05:02] <xhaman> ok jeje thanks
[05:02] <xhaman> hey somebody can help me ?? i need to configure the  "server layout" in  xorg.conf but i cant find it (the xerver layout in xorg.conf) im in ubuntu 8.04 alpha 4
[05:12] <DanaG> Waah, I want my Legacy subpixel hinting back!
[05:12] <DanaG> I can no longer set fontconfig to use the legacy LCD filter.
[05:13] <DanaG> The new method hurts my eyes sometimes.
[05:52] <UnNaturalHigh> DanaG, I just used my other laptop, which has compiz-fusion on it and I noticed that minimize bug
[05:52] <UnNaturalHigh> well not sure if it is a bug
[05:52] <DanaG> Packaged version, or custom-compiled?
[05:52] <DanaG> And do you run a distributed computing client?
[05:53] <UnNaturalHigh> packaged
[05:53] <UnNaturalHigh> no distributed computing client
[05:53] <UnNaturalHigh> let me guess you are the opposite of that my situation, lol
[05:53] <UnNaturalHigh> *of my
[05:54] <DanaG> Yeah.'
[05:54] <DanaG> But that means neither of those is a factor.
[05:54] <DanaG> (I use the Lamp animation on minimize.)
[05:57] <shirish> guys nautilus doesn't respond, I have to kill/close it everytime.
[07:28] <master_obredar> hello all
[07:30] <master_obredar> anyone here
[07:50]  * snadge bows to the almighty ubuntu overlords
[08:04] <Roe1> @anyone: any idea on gnome-appearance-properties segfaulting??
[08:04] <Roe1> gdb trace: http://www.deinon.net/~roel/gdb.bt.txt | apport log: http://www.deinon.net/~roel/apport.crash
[08:18] <mrtimdog> Hi. Is there a similar thing to bootchart for gnome session startups?
[08:26] <Roel|work> you can use bootchart for the same purpose
[08:26] <Roel|work> mrtimdog: http://blogs.gnome.org/gpoo/2005/08/12/a-graph-of-gnome-session/
[08:28] <mrtimdog> Ah, ha, perfect! Thanks Roel|work, I'll give it a go.
[08:29] <Roel|work> ur welcome
[08:29] <Roel|work> let us know the results!
[08:30] <mrtimdog> I'll see what I can do :)
[08:38] <mrtimdog> Ok, not quite as simple as the artictle. Just trying to work out if I can do it.
[09:38] <mrtimdog> Anyone got the current bootchart package to run with/for gnome session startups?
[12:20] <zorglu_> !info dpkg
[12:20] <ubotu> dpkg (source: dpkg): package maintenance system for Debian. In component main, is required. Version 1.14.15ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 2235 kB, installed size 7032 kB
[12:29] <coz_> hey guys, just did hardy updates  and emerald is broken...just thought I would let you know
[12:37] <geser> coz_: in what way broken?
[12:37] <coz_> geser, it just doesnt start up at all
[12:38] <geser> have you tried to start it from a terminal? any output?
[12:38] <coz_> hold on
[12:38] <geser> "emerald --replace" in a gnome-terminal or xterm
[12:39] <coz_> geser, right... no errors or read outs at all
[12:40] <geser> which version of emerald, there were two uploads of emerald in the last few days
[12:40] <coz_> geser,   0.5.2
[12:41] <coz_> geser, I have been doing dist-upgrade  daily  .. to day were compiz and  compiz fusion plugins  updates  and then no emerald
[12:42] <geser> emerald 0.5.2+git20080205-0ubuntu2 was uploaded half an hour ago, perhaps this one works better
[12:42] <coz_> let me try an upgrade  hold on
[12:43] <coz_> geser, no nothing available
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. when shouldone do a dist-upgrade, vs a normal apt-get update/upgrade?
[12:43] <geser> coz_: it needs some time to get build, published and copied to the mirrors
[12:43] <coz_> Dr_Willis, generally  I do at least for something like these alphas. sudo apt-get update  then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> Id just never seen a general rule on when one should be done.
[12:44] <coz_> geser, ok no biggie:)  I can wait..just wanted to let you guys know
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> Normally if i see a lot of packages held back. I try a dist-upgrade
[12:44] <coz_> Dr_Willis, no rule  actually
[12:44] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  but when dealing with  alpha releases  there are going to be updates regularly
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> Just now the 2 different ways got 37 updates.  so they seemed to be the same for now.
[12:45] <coz_> Dr_Willis, are you also using compiz fusion there?
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> yep. And it seems to crash quite a bit on me.
[12:46] <coz_> Dr_Willis, mm  darn     see if emerald works now after the updates
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> i dont even thinki got emerald installed.. lets see
[12:48] <geser> the difference between "upgrade" and "dist-upgrade" is that the first doesn't install new packages or remove conflicting ones
[13:02] <zorglu_> q. on hardy, kubuntu version, is it possible to disable the eye-candy fadeaway on the logout splash ?
[13:03] <Dr_Willis> zorglu_,  ive seen where that can be done.. but i dont rember where.
[13:03] <Dr_Willis> I find the fadeing effects annoying at times in  places on the ubuntu/kubuntu also.
[13:04] <zorglu_> Dr_Willis: this is mandatory for like 3 releases now :) time to put a option somwhere :)
[13:05] <zorglu_> Dr_Willis: well on virtualbox this freeze the input/output, and on one of my laptop it make the screen flash... so annoying is the word :)
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> Yep. Eyecandy addiction
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> like the little icon 'flash/expansion' ive seen under kde.. its often so fast you dont notice it.. untill you get on a sloooow machine
[13:20] <zorglu_> q. in hardy install cd, my install is stuck on 'scanning the mirror'... what does this mean ? is there a way to get log or more information on where it fails ?
[13:45] <_Enchained> Hi
[13:46] <_Enchained> I have a problem printing with hardy
[13:51] <coz_> geser,  the emerald updates just came through and all is well :)
[13:51] <geser> good to hear
[14:22] <slytherin> Does anyone know if the latest broadcom driver - b43 - still needs firmware?
[15:26] <oxigen> hi i just try to install on alpha 4 nvidia driver, but all i have in xorg.conf is this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54854/
[15:27] <oxigen> hmm, is this normal?
[15:28] <oxigen> no info about anything!?
[15:29] <mndo> here's my http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54856/
[15:30] <oxigen> mndo, yea, that looks like a normal conf file
[15:30] <mndo> my was trashed to after installing the driver.. this is a backup from gutsy.. :)
[15:31] <mndo> s/to/too/
[15:31] <oxigen> hmm!
[15:31] <oxigen> it looks you have the same card!
[15:32] <oxigen> but that's good idea maybe i should try to use my old conf
[15:32] <mndo> :)
[15:32] <oxigen> but this is a ugly bug, isn't it!?
[15:33] <mndo> in deed, i need to check if there is a bug report, or else file one..
[15:33] <mndo> but i haven't the time to do it..
[15:34] <slytherin> oxigen: I don't think it is a bug, xorg in hardy is supposed to work config less. What you are seeing here is minimal config. In my opinion even this should not be there.
[15:34] <oxigen> mndo: do you use 64bit?
[15:35] <mndo> yep
[15:36] <oxigen> slytherin: oh, didn't know that! how can i install nvidia driver then? autorecognition doesn't work...
[15:36] <slytherin> oxigen: do you need binary driver?
[15:36] <mndo> withoutthe conf file all i get is a black screen and a cursor..
[15:36] <oxigen> some that will work! :)
[15:37] <oxigen> i need gl support, i use blender
[15:37] <slytherin> mndo: File a bug then. As I said, it is supposed to work.
[15:38] <oxigen> slytherin: but where is now configuration for all this?
[15:38] <slytherin> oxigen: if you install binary driver and config less xorg does not work for you then you can do - sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg - to generate xorg.conf
[15:39] <oxigen> slytherin: thanks, i'll try!
[15:40] <kalpik> oxigen, then you can do "sudo nvidia-xconfig" if X does not use the Nvidia driver :)
[15:40] <nanonyme> slytherin, sorry, what's -phigh?
[15:41] <slytherin> nanonyme: it asks you only questions with high priority. In other words it tries to gues most of the things.
[15:42] <oxigen> slytherin: hmm, i get the same content in xorg.conf after that command!?
[15:42] <nanonyme> ah, right
[15:43] <slytherin> oxigen: looks to be an issue then. better search any existing bugs and file one if there isn't already
[15:43] <dash> anybody using vmware-server on hardy?
[15:43] <oxigen> slytherin: ok, 10x
[15:43] <dash> seems like something broke in the past few days, I had to roll back to gcc-4.1
[15:44] <AaronMT> Anyone know if this bug is fixed in the latest hardy version? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/121653
[15:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121653 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "[gutsy] fglrx breaks over suspend/resume" [Wishlist,Confirmed]
[15:51] <kalpik> oxigen, did you try doing sudo nvidia-xconfig?
[15:54] <oxigen> kalpik: no, not yet..
[15:54] <kalpik> oxigen, that should add the nvidia driver line
[15:54]  * oxigen searching for some similar bug...
[15:55] <oxigen> kalpik: oh, indeed!
[15:56] <kalpik> oxigen, is it solved now? :)
[15:56] <oxigen> kalpik: thank you! i'll reboot x now..
[16:03] <oxigen> kalkalpik: no luck, now i have super low res (640x480)
[16:03] <oxigen> or something
[16:11] <mndo> btw, is anybody running kde4 on hardy?
[16:11] <bardyr> hey
[16:12] <booobs> hi! I made a fresh and clean install of Hardy_4. Everything went fine. I installed the "restricted ati driver modules" and rebootet. Now the X-Server didn't work anymore. Blackscreen! A look in the xorg.conf shows, that it's nearly empty! Is this a bug??? Really stupid.. -.-
[16:13] <booobs> Anyone heared of this problem?
[16:14] <mndo> just been talking about it :)
[16:14] <mndo> happens the same with nvidia..
[16:16] <Pici> Check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:17] <hit> strange, play/pause and stop keys are not working anymore on keyboard, all other media and launch keys are fine
[16:18] <booobs> Yea it seems that the restriction driver modules "installer" destroyed the xorg.conf
[16:19] <booobs> mh
[16:19] <Pici> The new xorg version does not need for xorg.conf to be populated with data.
[16:19] <oxigen> doh, always the same problems, nvidia and java :/
[16:19] <booobs> ah okay
[16:24] <booobs> yea found the bug http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=686394
[16:26] <oxigen> i think im too old for fixing this things again, i will wait for the final release, hopefully you will fix it till then.. :)
[16:28] <thorns> Installing nvidia-glx-new went perfectly ok for me.
[16:28] <oxigen> lucky you
[16:28] <thorns> And I only use the command line tools
[16:29] <booobs> i'll install 7.10 :D
[16:29] <booobs> cya
[16:29] <thorns> :))
[16:29]  * oxigen rebooting to his old but working 6.06..
[16:29] <thorns> eek
[16:46] <zyg2> hello, is hardy in code freeze now?
[16:46] <bardyr> i dont think so
[16:47] <bardyr> zyg2, there isnt a code freeze
[16:47] <zyg2> so the packages are regularly updated?
[16:49] <scizzo-> zyg2: afaik yes
[16:52] <afflux> depends on what you mean by code freeze
[16:54] <afflux> FeatureFreeze will be on Feb 14th, which means, only bugfixing uploads from then on
[16:58] <MrStein> Is it a known issue, that there is no login sound on the desktop CD live ? (alpha4)
[16:58] <MrStein> otherwise I'll report it ;-)
[17:01] <MrStein> too late ;-)
[17:01] <MrStein> bye
[17:02] <MrStein> it is bug 189297 , for reference
[17:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189297 in ubuntu "no login sound" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189297
[18:50] <pvandewyngaerde> are there qt4.4 packages for ubuntu ?
[18:51] <zyg2> ever since installing hardy alpha 4 I've yet to see any package updates, that is unusual from what I remember with edgy/feisty/gutsy alpha releases - is this an expected behaviour?
[19:09] <mndo> !kde4
[19:09] <ubotu> KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[19:11] <pvandewyngaerde> are there qt4.4 packages for ubuntu ?
[20:16] <Assid> heya
[20:17] <Assid> so has postgresql 8.3 made it to the hardy tree?
[20:17] <Pici> !info postgresql8.3
[20:18] <ubotu> Package postgresql8.3 does not exist in hardy
[20:18] <Pici> lies.
[20:18] <Pici> Assid: I see postgresql 8.3~rc2-1
[20:19] <Assid> err someone gotta update that
[20:19] <ethana2> This is a very general thing, but my performance isn't that great..
[20:19] <Assid> 8.3 is stable now
[20:19] <ethana2> and i don't see why..  Is it just the bloat of FF2?  ..but pidgin's like this too
[20:20] <ethana2> whatever it is, it'll be fixed by the official release, right?
[20:35] <Konstigt> Anyone with a clue on my Xorg crashes in bug 188869 on Launchpad?
[20:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188869 in xorg "[hardy] Xorg crashes on startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188869
[20:37] <flipstar> did you read the latest entry ?
[20:37] <flipstar> maybe there is a coherence
[20:37] <Konstigt> flipstar: yes, I wrote it :)
[20:38] <flipstar> oh..my bad
[20:39] <flipstar> you reinstalled the graphic drivers probably ?
[20:40] <Konstigt> yes via driver setup but not manually
[20:41] <flipstar> whats the message when you run X in tty1 ?
[20:42] <Konstigt> have only tried stopping/starting via /etc/init.d/gdm stop/start
[20:43] <Konstigt> so there I don't see anything, I only see the logfile which shows the crash & backtrace
[20:43] <flipstar> hm is gdm crashing or the x server ?
[20:44] <flipstar> if X crashes after login i would first try to see what happens if i try to run X manually ..
[20:47] <Konstigt> gdm starts the xserver which then crashes (when I have certain additions in my xorg.conf)
[20:47] <Konstigt> so I dont think X crashes after login, X doesn't even start
[20:48] <flipstar> right then try to see what happens when you run X in tty1 or so ;)
[20:48] <flipstar> got to go
[21:41] <Bethesda> I got directed here to solve a nautilus problem on 8.04?
[21:41] <ethana2> network locations?
[21:41] <Bethesda> Yes that's right :)
[21:41] <ethana2> anything that deals with gvfs is probably just broken
[21:41] <ethana2> basically, just wait for updates
[21:42] <ethana2> it'll fix itself
[21:42] <Bethesda> Ok, thanks for your time =)
[21:42] <ethana2> no problem
[21:42] <ethana2> oh hey, bethesda:
[21:43] <ethana2> well wait, nevermind.. i guess i just want someone to talk to, lol
[21:43] <Bethesda> lol
[21:43] <ethana2> very lonely and bored right now
[21:43] <Bethesda> So what are you upto then ?
[21:43] <Assid> anyone here used amsn and done video conference?
[21:43] <ethana2> basically just hanging out on irc channels..
[21:43] <ethana2> yes
[21:44] <ethana2> very laggy
[21:44] <ethana2> but not the newest version i don't think
[21:44] <ethana2> i could try it
[21:44] <Bethesda> I just discovered IRC today ( don't hit me xD ) I think it's very cool!
[21:44] <ethana2> and it could just be the network connection
[21:44] <Bethesda> I use Amsn Assid.
[21:44] <ethana2> bethesda: irc was very mysterious to me for a while
[21:44] <Assid> you ever tried to do a webcam ?
[21:45] <ethana2> i still don't have a clue how to use usenet
[21:45] <Assid> either send or receive
[21:45] <Bethesda> Assid, no : /
[21:45] <ethana2> i usually only use it for webcam actually
[21:45] <ethana2> i prefer pidgin for everything else
[21:46] <Bethesda> Same here to be very honest.
[21:46] <Assid> ethana2: amsn?
[21:46] <ethana2> yes
[21:46] <Assid> i dont like pidgin so much
[21:46] <Assid> too damn ridgid
[21:46] <Assid> i wanna remove groups.. and it doesnt do it
[21:46] <ethana2> rigid?
[21:46] <ethana2> ohh.. which version?
[21:46] <hit> amsn sucks, u should try emesene
[21:46] <Assid> emesene ?
[21:47] <Bethesda> Well, I'm not sure what my problem is with Pidgin, but damn those file transfer times are WAY up.
[21:47] <ethana2> network....
[21:47] <Bethesda> : /
[21:47] <ethana2> MSN for example.. all that traffic goes /through/ microsoft
[21:47] <hit> tho emesene's file transfer isn't fully finished yet
[21:47] <Assid> ethana2: i wanna remove groups..
[21:47] <ethana2> me too.
[21:47] <ethana2> just set it not to show empty ones, and ignore them
[21:47] <Assid> i dont see emesene
[21:48] <ethana2> i just removed a group
[21:48] <hit> emesene.org
[21:48] <ethana2> it complained at me, but the group is gone
[21:48] <Assid> i dont wanna delete the group
[21:49] <Assid> i just dont want grouping
[21:49] <ethana2> ohhhhh
[21:49] <Assid> ethana2: which messenger
[21:49] <Bethesda> Complained at you? Is it a Windows product? :P
[21:49] <ethana2> i'm in pidgin
[21:49] <Assid> see thats what im talkin abt
[21:49] <ethana2> no, various protocols use the 'buddy' group
[21:49] <ethana2> if you only have one group, it's probably a non-issue
[21:49] <Assid> pidgin should let me get rid of the grouping. and also let me access the metadata
[21:49] <ethana2> but i find them extremely handy
[21:49] <ethana2> ..info?
[21:50] <Bethesda> Any of you good with drivers by the way?
[21:50] <ethana2> not really
[21:50] <Bethesda> Oi, you can try, lol :P
[21:50] <ethana2> if you have to worry about them, there's a problem
[21:51] <ethana2> i basically stopped using windows half a year ago now
[21:51] <Assid> i wanna move away from it now
[21:51] <Assid> i really want to
[21:51] <Bethesda> I stopped using it 2 months ago...
[21:51] <ethana2> google has basically said that if nvidia will open specs, they'll write drivers
[21:51] <Assid> but theres always something stopping me
[21:51] <ethana2> so now we wait ;)  The X-Fi also got recent initial OSS support
[21:51] <ethana2> what is stopping you now?
[21:51] <Bethesda> Assid, like what for example?
[21:52] <Assid> gaming.. stuff like photoshop/corel etc
[21:52] <ethana2> CS2?
[21:52] <Assid> some other dev. stuff
[21:52] <Assid> 3
[21:52] <ethana2> or CS3?
[21:52] <ethana2> dang
[21:52] <Bethesda> Gaming under Wine is ok... if you read the Howto's :)
[21:52] <ethana2> WINE can only run CS2
[21:52] <Assid> yeah i knw
[21:52] <Bethesda> I mean, I can even play Oblivion on High mode lol
[21:52] <Assid> and now my designer gets me files on corel14
[21:52] <ethana2> unmodified.. you can almost always import some dll or five
[21:53] <Assid> which isnt really gonna work at all for me
[21:53] <Assid> Bethesda: you use compiz?
[21:53] <Bethesda> I do yes, used Compiz Gnome but now Fusion
[21:53] <maccam-desktop> someone mentioned X-Fi drivers? yeah they're 64-bit only :-(
[21:53] <Bethesda> Since my PC got upgraded, lol.
[21:53] <Assid> Bethesda: compiz +gaming ? or you disable compiz
[21:54] <ethana2> the old drivers for the X-Fi can go die
[21:54] <ethana2> I'm talking open source ones
[21:54] <Bethesda> No? I just leave it on, nothing's wrong for me
[21:54] <maccam-desktop> really?
[21:54] <ethana2> yes.
[21:54] <rsk> maccam-desktop: x-fi have drivers in OSS now
[21:54] <Bethesda> WoW, Morrowin, Oblivion , you name it mate.
[21:54] <rsk> not alsa thou
[21:54] <ethana2> and only very primitive as of yet
[21:54] <Assid> sweet
[21:55] <Assid> you using wine ? or cedega?
[21:55] <ethana2> Halo only needs one .dll, WMP needs two
[21:55] <Bethesda> At the moment just Wine.
[21:55] <Bethesda> True Ethana2
[21:55] <ethana2> Unless cedega can ship on ubuntu disks, it's worthless to me
[21:55] <Bethesda> The thing is with Wine, like the forum says: DO NOT expect it to work.
[21:56] <Bethesda> And if it does...<3
[21:56] <ethana2> i wouldn't assume.. just check AppDB
[21:56] <Bethesda>  /nod
[21:56] <Bethesda> The Ubuntu forms share a great deal of Information aswell.
[21:57] <Bethesda> About how to edit .ini files and so on.
[21:57] <Assid> sweet
[21:57] <Assid> im highly considering mving my desktop to windows + linux.. windows for gaming.. and other graphical shit i cant do
[21:57] <Assid> also wil have vmware incase i dotn wanna dualboot
[21:58] <Assid> err reboot
[21:58] <jussi01> !ohmy
[21:58] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[21:58] <Assid> jussi01: ?
[21:58] <Bethesda> Assid, you could always make an image of your Windows current state and try it.
[21:59] <jussi01> Assid: you used a swear word, try to keep it clean :)
[21:59] <Assid> i did ?
[22:00] <ethana2> jussi01: there are three primary tiers of widespread expletives; should we stick to tier two or tier one?
[22:00] <Assid> current state of windows is all messed u
[22:00] <Bethesda> Messed up?
[22:00] <Bethesda> As in, DLL problems.
[22:00] <Bethesda> ?
[22:00] <Assid> nah
[22:00] <Assid> i got too much junk in there
[22:00] <jussi01> !guidelines | ethana2
[22:00] <ubotu> ethana2: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[22:00] <Assid> i really should clean it up
[22:01] <Assid> anyone here the package manager?
[22:01] <Bethesda> I'm sorry, what do you mean?
[22:01] <Assid> well.. pgadmin is out of date.. and so is postgresql 8.3 package
[22:01] <Assid> they both have newer releases out there
[22:02] <Bethesda> You tried: sudo apt-get update
[22:02] <Bethesda> ?
[22:02] <Assid> yeah i have the packagemanager checking everyday
[22:02] <Assid> we are in +1 :P
[22:02] <Bethesda> Hmm, ok.
[22:02] <Bethesda> True :P
[22:02] <Bethesda> Hey, you can never be to sure lol.
[22:03] <Assid> true at that.. but pgadmin release mentioned is prtty old
[22:03] <Assid> like over a month
[22:03] <Assid> atleast i think
[22:03] <Assid> if anyone here is in the package management PLEASE check kthis
[22:04] <Bethesda> I will do this now.
[22:04] <Assid> sweet thanks
[22:05] <Assid> thinking of whether or not im gonna put up a mirror during the release phase
[22:05] <Assid> i put up 2 or 3 mirrors for gutsy release (before it hit public)
[22:05] <Assid> man 300gb b00m!
[22:05] <Bethesda> lol, yeah. And it's outdated indeed...
[22:05] <Assid> i had guys who were leachiing at 7M/sec
[22:06] <Assid> Bethesda: if you can report/or whatever..would be nice
[22:06] <Bethesda> What info would you like?
[22:06] <Assid> me ?nothing..
[22:06] <Assid> just want someone to update these :P
[22:07] <ethana2> oh hey, is firefox 3 in the hardy repos?
[22:07] <Bethesda> Ah, nevermind , I get it.
[22:07] <Bethesda> =P
[22:07] <Bethesda> Lemme get my VMware on ethana
[22:07] <Bethesda> It wasn't on A4 at least : /
[22:07] <Assid> i dont see it
[22:08] <Bethesda> Neither do I...
[22:08] <Assid> whats firefox-gnome-support?
[22:09] <Bethesda> Oh boy
[22:09] <Bethesda> I can see it! 3.0!11111111
[22:09] <Assid> where?
[22:09] <Bethesda> ( Dev Version ) though.
[22:09] <phin> assid, ive always just installed it, but i beleive its for mostly the save/open dialogs
[22:10] <phin> This is an extension to Firefox that allows it to use protocol handlers from Gnome-VFS, such as smb or sftp, and other Gnome integration features.
[22:10] <phin> there ya go
[22:10] <phin> yay for google :P
[22:10] <Assid> yeah
[22:10] <Assid> read that
[22:10] <Assid> err apt-cache show :P
[22:10] <phin> that too :)
[22:11] <Bethesda> So what do you guys get when you run sudo hdparm -tT /dev/nameofharddisk
[22:11] <phin> to slow
[22:11]  * phin damns his 4200 laptop drive
[22:11] <phin> :P
[22:11] <ethana2> that's sneaky ^_^..
[22:12] <Bethesda> lol Phin !
[22:12] <ethana2> "What do you get when you type 'sudo rm -r /'?"
[22:12] <phin> no
[22:12] <Bethesda>  Timing cached reads:   2388 MB in  2.00 seconds = 1194.13 MB/sec ///  Timing buffered disk reads:  250 MB in  3.02 seconds =  82.82 MB/sec
[22:12] <Bethesda> Meh, I'm disappointed :P
[22:13] <phin>  Timing cached reads:   606 MB in  2.00 seconds = 302.96 MB/sec
[22:13] <phin>  Timing buffered disk reads:   84 MB in  3.05 seconds =  27.50 MB/sec
[22:13] <phin> heh
[22:13] <Bethesda> ^_^
[22:13] <phin> im satisfied
[22:14] <phin> its a dell laptop i bought for 300
[22:14] <ethana2> using SATA?
[22:14] <Assid> 369.91 and 23.93
[22:14] <phin> my load times are actually pretty good
[22:14] <phin> i just need more mem
[22:14] <phin> im at 512
[22:14] <phin> i can slap a 1gig stick in this
[22:15] <phin> that should kill my swap issues
[22:15] <Bethesda> 2GB here, but 1GB worked very OK for me too.
[22:15] <Bethesda> Just that with VMware, 1GB was so-so for me.
[22:15] <phin> i could always lighten my setup more
[22:15] <phin> go with flux or whatever
[22:15] <Bethesda>  /nod
[22:15] <phin> but i enjoy the gnome desktop
[22:15] <phin> gvfs and etc are all very convienant things
[22:16] <Bethesda> Gotta agree with you.
[22:16] <Bethesda> The cool thing is my friends are mosly like: "LOL do you use Linux?!!"
[22:16] <phin> heh
[22:17] <phin> most like my setup
[22:17] <Bethesda> Then I show them how it works..."So where did I download this again?"
 Lol, that's a blast xD
[22:19] <Assid> well
[22:19] <Assid> tats not too bad
[22:19] <phin> thats neither here nor there
[22:19] <Assid> you have to start to shutdown dont you
[22:19] <phin> lol
[22:19] <phin> heh
[22:19] <Assid> you cant shutdown whats not on
[22:19] <Bethesda> =P well
[22:19] <phin> i still have a windows pc
[22:19] <phin> which is way better
[22:19] <phin> but thats for a few games and photoshop
[22:20] <Bethesda> I remember that time when I had AC Power switch on the wrong mode when I installed a new computer, new parts
[22:20] <Bethesda> ZAP ZAP, it shutdown without starting :P
[22:20] <phin> heh
[22:20] <Assid> doesnt stay that way too long
[22:20] <phin> never had that happen
[22:20] <Bethesda> Lucky you ;)
[22:20] <Assid> yeah
[22:21] <Assid> i went from a quad core
[22:21] <Bethesda> Hey guys, I got to go, college tomorrow ! Cya all soon!
[22:21] <Assid> to a start up time of around 1.5 mins
[22:21] <Assid> lol
[22:21] <Assid> and oh yeah.. i bought anew monitor
[22:21] <Assid> it took me 1 hr to get it to work
[22:22] <Assid> why ? cause my previous one was a CRT .and was set for 85hz.. which an lcd doesnt do
[22:22] <Assid> so i had to go to safe mode.. set it to some crappy resolution in color depth.. then hell broke lose..it refused to do anythng.. not even the official drivers helped
[22:22] <Assid> 1 hr later after alot of uninsallng and reinstalling i had it
[22:23] <Assid> after that for kicks ibooted hardy from an external usb drive i had..was in in like a few seconds
[22:24] <phin> ya the new xorg stuff is great
[22:24] <phin> thats the main reason i jumped to it with this laptop
[22:24] <Assid> had to search online for someone with the same monitor to get PERFECT settings but thattook like a mnute or 2
[22:24] <phin> i run dual monitors when im sitting at my desk with it
[22:24] <Assid> err.. xorg messed up 1 thing tho
[22:24] <Assid> my screen left around 1/2 inch on the left side
[22:24] <Assid> like the horizonal positioning was off
[22:25] <Assid> but it wasnt.. it just left that much out
[22:25] <Assid> so after i found that other monitor definition.. CTRL ALT BKSPACE.. was up properly
[22:27] <Assid> i hope my tv tuner card works perfectly tho
[22:27] <Assid> im gonna have hell if it doesnt
[22:27] <Assid> anwyays.. im outta here.. almost 4 am here
[22:27] <phin> later
[22:43] <ethana2> oh hey, is there a hardy alpha out for the PS3?
[22:45] <bardyr> yea
[22:45] <bardyr> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ports/daily-live/current/
[22:47] <bardyr> its ubuntu hardy alpha4.21
[22:47] <ethana2> do they incorporate workarounds for the latest firmware updates?
[22:47] <bardyr> or 0.5 actually
[22:47] <bardyr> idk
[22:47] <ethana2> wow.. daily .iso's
[22:47] <ethana2> that's awesome.. so they /do/ exist
[23:14] <bardyr> w00t, der er kde 4.0.1 opdateringer
[23:14] <bardyr> helt mærkeligt at der er 2 kde udgivelselser indenfor en måned
[23:18] <bardyr> wrong chan :/
[23:19] <rullie> hi, anyone has some archive of screenshots and video for HH?
[23:50] <dn4> ok I install the restricted drivers
[23:51] <dn4> and my xorg.config is very messed up
[23:51] <dn4> I mean it boots up but all my windows, like mozilla, or any games do not have the X button or the other in the top right cornor
[23:52] <dn4> ontop of that when I bring up a terminal it does not show anything, it seems the default settings were 640X800


[11:23] <mup> PR snapd#12911 closed: tests: fix the core20-new-snapd-does-not-break-old-initrd test <Simple 😃> <Run nested> <Run Nested -auto-> <Created by sergiocazzolato> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12911>
[11:28] <mup> PR snapd#12917 opened: asserts: do not use x/crypto/sha3 directly <Created by xnox> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12917>
[13:19] <mup> PR snapd#12917 closed: asserts: do not use x/crypto/sha3 directly <Created by xnox> <Closed by xnox> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12917>
[16:25] <mup> PR snapd#12918 opened: many: stop using `-O no-expr-simplify` in apparmor_parser <Run nested> <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12918>
[17:00] <mup> PR snapd#12919 opened: tests: add test that explores `apparmor_parser {,no-}expr-simplify` <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/12919>


[07:53] <zequence> I'm considering not making any last minute changes, and waiting until the next dev period for that
[07:53] <zequence> But, our ISO is only 2,2 GB right now. Want to test it and make sure it's at all workable
[08:48] <zequence> That did not work at all :(
[09:21] <zequence> Virtualbox didn't like that image, but it worked nicely on a UEFI machine
[09:23] <zequence> So, I feel better. I can at least go forward with testing it for the Final Beta release, and make a release though, I think - also, considering a recent discussion, that I won't be putting up the ISO on the home page at all, or at least make the 14.04 release the prominent


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[05:54] <hemanth> kim0, hello [ i had few queries on cloud, on of the developers from canonical referred you ]
[07:20] <kim0> hemanth: hey
[07:23] <hemanth> kim0, hey wanted your views on FOSS in cloud
[07:23] <flaccid> thats a broad question; i'm keen to hear the response :)
[07:26] <hemanth> RMS says, "It's worse than stupidity: it's a marketing hype campaign".
[07:26] <flaccid> the ignorant usually say incorrect things
[07:27] <hemanth> RMS is referring to private enterprise moneymaking cloud vendors
[07:27] <flaccid> well i don't even know what RMS is..
[07:28] <hemanth> flaccid, "I respect Richard Stallman for the same reason I respect gravity. The man is a force of nature. He is like the iron core of the Earth: fixed, central, essential."
[07:28] <flaccid> and i work for a private enterprise cloud management platform heh
[07:28] <flaccid> meh
[07:28]  * hemanth waits for kim0
[07:29] <hemanth> flaccid, are there any cloud env which has the principals of free software?
[07:29] <flaccid> isn't that what UEC is/ubuntu cloud?
[07:30] <flaccid> still the company i work for has mostly free and open software
[07:30] <hemanth> flaccid, eucalyptus is one such; any other?
[07:31] <flaccid> well no such thing as a 'cloud env' to begin with
[07:31] <flaccid> you can look at xen, cloudstack, euca etc. for clouds
[07:31] <hemanth> flaccid, more over, most of the cloud vendors wont have the free-software philosophy
[07:31] <flaccid> still pretty broad
[07:31] <flaccid> define a cloud vendor?
[07:32] <hemanth> those who provide space on there servers, saying they have cloud hosting
[07:32] <flaccid> oh that could be any number of companies in the world thinking they do the cloud
[07:34] <hemanth> yup, if we give our data to them, we are locked in the proprietary cage
[07:35] <flaccid> i guess you might like to avoid that and choose a real public cloud
[07:36] <kim0> hemanth: oh sorry .. was grabbing some coffee .. reading and replying
[07:36] <hemanth> kim0, ok :)
[07:37] <hemanth> flaccid, 'real public cloud', as in?
[07:37] <flaccid> e.g. amazon ec2
[07:38] <hemanth> Public cloud services may be free or offered on a pay-per-usage model...hmm
[07:39] <kim0> hmm hard question :)
[07:39] <kim0> Personally I do respect RMS a lot and I can understand where he's coming from
[07:40] <kim0> basically GNU has been fighting for so many years making sure, users have full control over their data and the programs to process their data
[07:40] <kim0> now all of that is being taken away by cloud
[07:40] <hemanth> yup if RMS says something, there will be some strong reason behind it!
[07:40] <flaccid> how so?
 yup, if we give our data to them, we are locked in the proprietary cage
[07:41] <flaccid> can you explain how on a technical level?
[07:41] <kim0> basically .. clou dto RMS I suppose means something like your data on facebook
[07:41] <kim0> you have no control over your data there and not even the programs to process them
[07:42] <flaccid> thats incorrect. you have 100% control
[07:42] <flaccid> and you can choose whatever programs you want to access your data
[07:42] <flaccid> that sounds more like google apps or something..
[07:43] <kim0> was just gonna mention that
[07:43] <kim0> google docs comes to mind as well
[07:43] <hemanth> yup, they backup all over data
[07:43] <hemanth> they have our data basically
[07:43] <erichammond> flaccid: Amazon/Facebook/Google can disable your access to your data at any time.  Therefor you do not control it.
[07:43] <hemanth> even if we delete our account!
[07:43] <kim0> and they can shows everything to the feds if they choose to
[07:44] <kim0> same for FB
[07:44] <hemanth> they steal our data and sell it to someone else
[07:44] <flaccid> erichammond: sure. you can take it offsite as regular as you want. this is nothing new for a hosting provider. its actually in most of their ToS.
[07:44] <erichammond> Personally, I trust Amazon and Google with much of my personal and company data (with backups).  RMS does not based on his statements.
[07:44] <flaccid> wherever you outsource your hosting of any kind, of course that provider is going to have control, nothing new there
[07:45] <hemanth> erichammond, i don't trust them either
[07:46] <kim0> hemanth: with regards to UEC, it's a great way to run a EC2 compatble cloud using pure open source. Assuming you run it locally (private) RMS has nothing to fear
[07:46] <erichammond> hemanth: You don't use Amazon or Google?
[07:46] <hemanth> flaccid, yes, unless and until it's hosted by you, with your own machine, that data is not yours
[07:46] <kim0> I for one use them and don't trust them
[07:46] <kim0> I'm quite confident FB sells info on your online activity to governments
[07:47] <flaccid> hemanth: and you do realise you don't need cloud for that situation right? its always existed. you need to fork out for co-location which costs money..
[07:47] <kim0> twitters did the same during the Egyptian revolution days ago
[07:47] <kim0> people rely on such closed systems and they fail them
[07:47] <erichammond> I treat what I put on Facebook as public information.
[07:48] <kim0> erichammond: even private one to one communication
[07:48] <hemanth> erichammond, have you read about : "Nick Saber one day "came back from lunch to find out that he couldn't get into his Gmail account..."
[07:48] <erichammond> kim0: I don't use Facebook for private conversation.  I move any contacts to email immediately.
[07:48] <flaccid> so hemanth you could just do co location hosting in a decent centre with your own private cloud
[07:48] <flaccid> and you would have no issues and zomg you are using the cloud!
[07:48] <erichammond> I host my own email.
[07:48] <kim0> erichammond: well, so you're so careful, most people won't be :)
[07:49] <erichammond> but recommend Gmail for the rest of my family because they are so good at filtering spam :)
[07:49] <flaccid> i host my own email in the cloud and if they cancel my account, well i have regular off site backups which is a best practice for any situation
[07:49] <hemanth> kim0, yes most people are not bothered!
[07:49] <kim0> and it's a compromise
[07:50] <flaccid> so the choice is there. you'll just pay more if you choose to do your own infrastructure which of course is not public cloud
[07:50] <flaccid> i hope that clears up some misconceptions
[07:50] <kim0> so my take is UEC and others are great at the IaaS level. And I'm awaiting more free software equivalents to things like Facebook ..etc
[07:50] <kim0> the freedom box discussion is actually quite interesting
[07:51] <hemanth> people who respect other data, must come up and make such cloud services, like freedombox
[07:51] <hemanth> kim0, :) wow! thought match, diaspora++ ?
[07:51] <kim0> yeah, I just hope they take off
[07:52] <flaccid> if you want full PCI/DSS compliance, the public cloud is not for you yet.
[07:52] <hemanth> kim0, its better now
[07:52] <kim0> it's always hard moving mountains like Microsoft and FB
[07:52] <flaccid> and i'm not sure how freedombox is different to any other..
[07:52] <hemanth> ya monopoly :(
[07:52] <hemanth> ^ M$ and FB
[07:53] <kim0> lol
[07:53] <hemanth> :D
[07:53] <hemanth> ^source
[07:53] <flaccid> actually i'm not really sure how it is even relevent
[07:53] <flaccid> http://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox is not a cloud service.
[07:53] <hemanth> flaccid, we were taking about 'data freedom'
[07:54] <kim0> no reason why you can't be part of a cloud service from your home
[07:54] <flaccid> i'm not sure how that is relevent to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreedomBox either
[07:55] <flaccid> it really depends how you define 'cloud service'. that is a term not really well defined if at all in the de facto industry
[07:55] <hemanth> kim0, so RMS is not against private clouds, he is only warning us to not to use public clouds and give all our data to them, right?
[07:55] <flaccid> its incredibly broad and also abused
[07:55] <hemanth> 'could' is the new name for the old 'game'
[07:55] <kim0> hemanth: I wouldn't know what he means, that's my interpretation however
[07:55] <flaccid> i think the point is simple. you want to secure your data fully, you do co-location whether you run a cloud or not.
[07:56] <kim0> hemanth: it still all depends on the confidentiality of your data
[07:56] <kim0> whether or not you care
[07:56] <hemanth> kim0, yup even i feel the same, as he is always against data stealer
[07:57] <kim0> non techies in many cases, just dont give a dime about their personal data
[07:57] <kim0> nice discussion to start the morning ;)
[07:57] <hemanth> that is making those buggers to monopolize faster
[07:58] <hemanth> yup, it had been long time, happy to talk to such a decent crowd :)
[08:01] <hemanth> reminds me of http://capitalismisover.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/JAvsMZ.jpg
[08:02] <flaccid> any proof on claims fb distributes non aggregate info?
[08:02] <flaccid> curious on that..
[08:07] <hemanth> Mark's treading secrets..hmm
[08:07] <flaccid> good ol speculation heh
[08:08] <hemanth> http://itgrunts.com/2010/10/07/facebook-steals-numbers-and-data-from-your-iphone/
[08:08] <hemanth> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9175936/1.5M_stolen_Facebook_IDs_up_for_sale
[08:09] <flaccid> thats not distributing your information to 3rd parties.
[08:10] <hemanth> its very obvious that they are distributing it! Come on!
[08:10] <flaccid> right
[08:10] <flaccid> i'll restrain from commenting there
[08:11] <hemanth> :) god for them
[08:11] <hemanth> *good
[08:11] <flaccid> many people have been sentenced to death or life inprisonment from such assumptions
[08:11] <flaccid> which is ironic considering the basis of your point is rights
[08:12] <hemanth> people who speak truth have always been facing the same
[08:12] <flaccid> i choose to base conclusions on facts, sorry
[08:13] <hemanth> some things they are real, need no facts
[08:13] <flaccid> lol
[08:16] <kim0> hemanth: don't go trying to convince the world of your beliefs
[08:17] <hemanth> ya :( convincing right stuff to people is always tough
[08:18] <flaccid> so is getting your facts straight
[08:19] <hemanth> axioms need no proofs!


[00:15] <ubptgbot> Nicholas Mccoy was added by: Nicholas Mccoy
[00:21] <ubptgbot> Zemherir was added by: Zemherir
 @mintphin [it needs to light up the area where the finger sits with a bright color and the …], that could be easily achieved, if the hardware bits exist
 or drivers rather
[01:37] <cc> hello,when i use 'libertine-container-manager destroy -i xenial',it told me 'libertine-container-manager:446: ERROR: <module>():     Please do not run 'libertine-container-manager' using sudo'
[01:37] <cc> how to  solve that?
 ooo, this isnt fun - small problem, the xperia xp doesnt detect when is charging
 (Photo, 1080x1920) https://irc.ubports.com/t0fA0jMe.png
 will it update once charged more?
[02:28] <cc> 额，i want to remove the container
[02:28] <cc> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ libertine-container-manager destroy -i xenial
[02:28] <cc> Libertine.py:125: ERROR: _delete_rootfs():      [Errno 13] Permission denied: 'dev'
[02:28] <cc> i want to destroy 'xenial',but it seems that somethings wrong
 is this on the phone terminal?
[02:29] <cc> adb shell
 and is mounted r/w
[02:32] <cc> yes
[02:32] <cc> you mean 'mount -o remount,rw /"
[02:32] <cc> right?
 @mateosalta [and is mounted r/w], irrelevant for libertine
 @mateosalta [ooo, this isnt fun - small problem, the xperia xp doesnt detect when is charging], on my X, there also times when it doesn't detect charging but just replug the cable or toggle the screen on/off.
 @mateosalta [ooo, this isnt fun - small problem, the xperia xp doesnt detect when is charging], Depending on the power amount the Xperia does take a while for the phone to pick up a charger IF screen is OFF. So as Kugi said, turn on screen or leave it a moment. The same does apply when unplugging the charger. LED stays on for a while.
[05:52] <ubptgbot> MyPii was added by: MyPii
 hey
 @mintphin [tbh i find ubuntu touch a less addictive platform in my usage.], ++++++
 Please, like shares etc  … https://www.instagram.com/p/CGmdyORAxOV/?igshid=qhbulmrc3e3g
[10:36] <ubptgbot> h was added by: h
 ubports on redmi note 8
 bet on 8 pro it will be way difficult since mediatek
 but hm
 i want to try but no kernel out there
 @h [ubports on redmi note 8], it is possible via GSI
 This group is searchable. There are some Redmi references. … But really you need to discuss this in @Halium group, not here
 so many groups
 yes
 Halium is the general porting group
 @h [so many groups], I wish someone could centralized all to one list  ....
 yea
 There is another for 'finishing touches' to UT ports
 @h [so many groups], [Edit] I wish someone could centralize them all to one list  ....
 @h [yea], @wayneoutthere has that list somewhere hoe we can put someplace where it be reachable
 It disrupts some groups if individuals head there randomly with "can you port" requests
 @h [bet on 8 pro it will be way difficult since mediatek], 8 or 8 pro?
 note 8 pro
 so you can install ut on note 8 not 8 pro
 Clearly, h is in process. Halium is where the technical support is
 technical support
 discussion is in separate group?
 @halium
 [Edit] @halium @ubportsporting
 @h [discussion is in separate group?], Halium is the community of Android porters and kernel fixers
 [Edit] @halium @ubports_bot porting
 having so much seperate groups to reach one and the same goal is just... meh
 [Edit] @halium @ubports_porting
 @just_carlod [@halium @ubports_porting], There is an underscore. But that group is only for those near completion of their project
 ok
 @Maik_aD [having so much seperate groups to reach one and the same goal is just... meh], If they were all in one group it would be mayhem. So much noise that nothing would ever happen
 There are 3000 users here. 2700 having no interest in porting
 the best solution would be something like discord or slack
 @Maik_aD [having so much seperate groups to reach one and the same goal is just... meh], It's not the "same goal" though, most people here don't care about technical debates
 @just_carlod [the best solution would be something like discord or slack], in form of channel list
 @just_carlod [the best solution would be something like discord or slack], [Edit] in form of channel list/ sub-channels
 Sometimes there is a need for technical focus and efficiency. A bit of quietness for serious participants only
 Hi, for some reason hotspot isn't  workng on my Nexus 5, my other device can see the network but it gets stuck authenticating before giving up, any ideas?
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 @Kaizennn [@wayneoutthere has that list somewhere hoe we can put someplace where it be reac …], yeah.  there are lots of groups, it's true.  This page we used to use but it is probably out of date to some extent.  A kind of 'portal page' but it's true that it multiplies spam in all.. not sure best way … https://ubports.com/meet-the-
[12:36] <ubptgbot> community
 the ubports instagram is pretty well designed.
 @wayneoutthere [yeah.  there are lots of groups, it's true.  This page we used to use but it is …], I’ve already created an updated version of it ;) I’m looking for someone to push all the new groups
 @mintphin [the ubports instagram is pretty well designed.], Thanks, the marketing people doing great work
 @Kaizennn [Thanks, the marketing people doing great work], It looks a little bit broken while viewing it through bibliogram frontend, btw
 @XShell [It looks a little bit broken while viewing it through bibliogram frontend, btw], four in a row, eh? that will fix it  … .timeline-section .timeline { …     --image-size: 300px; …     flex: 1; … }
 Or ctrl +
 [Edit] Or hit the ctrl + '+' two times
 Hi, fellow group members! Can anyone point me to the point where it explains the dualbooting process? I want to have Android near my UT
 There is none, pretty much all dual boot solutions are discontinued
 @Its_K1tty [Hi, fellow group members! Can anyone point me to the point where it explains the …], Why do you think such a process exists :P
 'cause I've seen someone mentioning a/b platform switching or something
 there are unsupported methods, yes
 ight, time to install twrp and backup all the partitions
 [Edit] ight, time to boot twrp and backup all the partitions
[14:29] <ubptgbot> . was added by: .
[14:34] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Its_K1tty ['cause I've seen someone mentioning a/b platform switching or something], Quoting https://www.xda-developers.com/how-a-b-partitions-and-seamless-updates-affect-custom-development-on-xda/: "Can I flash two different ROMs on each partition and dual boot? …     In theory, yes. Problems arise because of the shared data partition thou
[14:34] <ubptgbot> gh, so it’s not recommended."
[14:37] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> You might want to take a look at https://t.me/andbootmgr, though, for an ongoing attempt to dual-boot from SD-card. Currently officially supported seem * Motorola moto G5 (cedric) and * Volla Phone (yggdrasil)(WIP), but it looks promising from my (purely user's) perspective.
 Is it possible to theme lomiri?
 like transparency, icon packs, fonts, moving app bar left to right or bottom?
 @ItsMeShouko [like transparency, icon packs, fonts, moving app bar left to right or bottom?], Maybe a good question to ask in the forum before the Q&A?
 Well, the quick answer is no
 Ah well…
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[18:38] <ubptgbot> pavwel32 was added by: pavwel32
 Hello! I have been given the task to design a Splash Screen for the Xiaomi Mi A2, a group of developers are working on bringing this amazing OS for the device, my question is about copyrighting. … Will I be able to use the UBports logo or Ubuntu logo for the splash screen? If not will I be able to extract the first frame from the bootani
[18:48] <ubptgbot> mation to make the splash seamless with the animation? Who should I turn to?
 @UniversalSuperBox @Stereofont?
 Sorry for tagging
 @pavwel32 [Hello! I have been given the task to design a Splash Screen for the Xiaomi Mi A2 …], Do you mean the boot logo of the device manufacturer or the Ubuntu Touch boot screen with the purple background?
 @Flohack [Do you mean the boot logo of the device manufacturer or the Ubuntu Touch boot sc …], The Mi A2 has a android one logo which comes up as a Splash, we would like to replace that with the Ubuntu or UBports logo, preferably the same as the first frame of the boot animation
 I'm asking if we're allowed to use the Ubuntu Touch logo, to create a splash screen that matches the bootanimation
 I know what you are asking but lets first clarify the technical details
 @pavwel32 [I'm asking if we're allowed to use the Ubuntu Touch logo, to create a splash scr …], Please contact Ruben for this: https://rubencarneiro.github.io/rubencarneiro.io//Ubuntu-Touch-Device-Bootlogos.markdown/
 i guess it should match the other boot logo screens for UT phones, and you should probably work with Ruben on it
 We want to be aligned with his style, if possible
 like that
 Exactly
 His Tg nick is @rubencarneiro and we authorize the usage there.
 @Flohack [His Tg nick is @rubencarneiro and we authorize the usage there.], Okay, thank you, I'll talk with him.
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 Cihazlar - Ubuntu Touch … https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
 Initial batch of Volla Phones (some loaded with pre-installed Ubuntu Touch OS) are shipping now for those who pre-ordered via Kickstarter.  Those who like myself pre-order via Indiegogo are scheduled to have their phones ship in November.
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/wt9BtmxM.png Here we go.The shipping for the Kickstarter backers has started. For you the first pictures.
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/LlhXbbUQ.png
 wow
 whats that
 @ItsMeShouko [like transparency, icon packs, fonts, moving app bar left to right or bottom?], moving left and right would mean switching the functionalities of the edge swipe, bottom would flat out break apps
 @ItsMeShouko [like transparency, icon packs, fonts, moving app bar left to right or bottom?], [Edit] moving the applist from left to right would mean switching the functionalities of the edge swipe, bottom would flat out break apps like morph