[06:16] <Squirm> morning
[06:45] <Kilos> morning superfly HawkiesZA inetpro and others
[06:47] <HawkiesZA> Morning Kilos! How're you?
[06:47] <Kilos> good ty HawkiesZA and you?
[06:48] <Kilos> you are on our mailing list hey?
[06:48] <HawkiesZA> I am, but get the digest version
[06:49] <Kilos> whatever that might be
[06:50] <Kilos> i use evolution client and replied yesterday with the option to list which i dont normally do and dunno if it got there
[06:50] <Kilos> maybe the fly knows
[06:52] <HawkiesZA> Fly says it did get there
[06:52] <Kilos> cool tell him ty
[06:53] <Kilos> i see today telkom is gonna supply 100mb/s fibre to the home
[06:54] <Kilos> they aint even got wires to here anymore the swines
[06:54] <HawkiesZA> Do the wires get stolen the whole time?
[06:54] <Kilos> ya
[06:54] <Kilos> after 5th time time refused to replace
[06:55] <Kilos> they
[06:55] <HawkiesZA> Fibre is gonna get stolen too because people will think it's copper :/
[06:55] <Kilos> eish and its most likely expensive stuff
[06:56] <HawkiesZA> Yep
[06:56] <HawkiesZA> Well, maybe it'll only happen once
[06:56] <Kilos> haha
[06:57] <Kilos> but adding the cost of just having a telkom phone at home before you even get broadband adds up to more than jut getting a 2+1 bundle on mobile
[07:19] <Kilos> yo zeref
[07:46] <magespawn> good morning all
[07:46] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[07:47] <zeref> hey Kilos
[07:47] <Kilos> haai Vince-0
[07:48] <magespawn> Kilos i as just reading last nights conversation
[07:48] <magespawn> s/as/was
[07:49] <Kilos> hehe
[07:49] <Kilos> now your eyes tired
[07:49] <magespawn> yup
[07:49] <Kilos> sorry
[07:50] <magespawn> the benefit of using the dongle in the router is that your pc does not have to be on for the tablet to use the internet
[07:52] <Kilos> ah
[07:52] <Kilos> how far do these routers send the wifi signal
[07:52] <HawkiesZA> Quite far
[07:53] <HawkiesZA> Depends on the router though
[07:53] <Kilos> http://www.billion.com/product/3g/BiPAC-7300NX-3G-Wireless-N-ADSL2-Firewall-Router.html
[07:54] <Kilos> i dont see in specs where it tells you
[07:54] <Kilos> i dont even know if that is a good one or not
[07:55] <Kilos> and the user manual page dont open
[07:55] <Kilos> grrr
[07:56] <Kilos> never smooth sailing
[07:59] <magespawn> about 100m line of sight Kilos, under optimum conditions
[07:59] <Kilos> ty magespawn
[08:00] <magespawn> a lot of that depends on evironmental factors though
[08:01] <Kilos> thats fine for here dont want neighbours trying to get in
[08:01] <Kilos> they rich business peeps and rich peeps always look for ways to cut costs
[08:02] <magespawn> and signal behaves strange sometimes
[08:03] <Kilos> hehe all this schlep for a tablet
[08:06] <Kilos> oh well 12.04 is so stable i spose one needs other distractions
[08:09] <magespawn> routers can give a few of those
[08:09] <Kilos> oh magespawn sis at wimpy with tablet but got a prob i used the & in her mail password and she can find it on that keyboard
[08:10] <Kilos> always something hey
[08:10] <magespawn> there is usually an alt key, looks like a up arrow on the right hand side i think
[08:11] <Kilos>  will that open more stuffs
[08:11] <magespawn> or says Alt on it
[08:11] <Kilos> hi psy
[08:12] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[08:12]  * HawkiesZA does Gangnam style dance
[08:12] <Kilos> lol she says tab aint got alt key
[08:12] <Kilos> hehe
[08:12] <magespawn> or a key with 12# on it, that brings up more keys
[08:14] <Kilos> she says no
[08:14] <magespawn> which tablet has she got?
[08:16] <magespawn> does it have a full keyboard like a pc, or is it one with less keys?
[08:16] <Kilos> etab 0507 by blaupunkt
[08:16] <Kilos> you gotta do something to make numbers appear
[08:19] <psyatw> hello magespawn
[08:19] <psyatw> hello HawkiesZA
[08:19] <magespawn> hi psyatw
[08:19] <magespawn> on mine there is an up arrow on the right hand side
[08:20] <tonberryE352> mine has a ?123 on the left hand side
[08:27] <Kilos> i changed her addy to no uppercase stuffs and she is in
[08:27] <Kilos> ty guys
[08:29] <Kilos> pity peeps dont standardise basi stuffs like keyboards
[08:29] <Kilos> basic
[08:30] <Kilos> like with cells everyone has a different charger hole
[08:30] <Kilos> can tablets do irc
[08:31] <Kilos> and pidgin
[08:34] <magespawn> they can do irc, not sure about pidgin
[08:34] <Kilos> ah
[08:39] <Kilos> ah they can do mxit, shell be happy
[08:40] <Kilos> she'll
[08:46] <magespawn> gotta go out bbl
[08:46] <Kilos> ok go safe
[08:50] <charl> good morning
[08:50] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:50]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:50] <Kilos> hi charl
[08:50] <charl> hi Kilos
[08:50] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[08:50] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[08:50] <charl> how's it going
[08:51] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[08:53] <charl> i'm doing well thanks
[08:54] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[08:54] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[08:54] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[08:56] <charl> Maaz: thank you
[08:56] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[09:06] <psyatw> good morning charl
[09:07] <Kilos> oh my did i say hi psyatw
[09:07] <Kilos> sorry
[09:07] <Kilos> oh ya we did greet
[09:08] <Kilos> im looking if one can install android as the OS on a desktop
[09:09] <tonberryE352> i think a saw something like that on a netbook a few years back
[09:10] <Kilos> i see they making miipc but just want the actual OS for a desktop
[09:11] <tonberryE352> http://www.android-x86.org/
[09:11] <Kilos> then sis can let the pc and tablet get her up to date with what goes where
[09:11] <Kilos> ty tonberryE352
[09:13] <Kilos> will see when i can stay up to use nightsurfer data
[09:23] <superfly> hi Kilos
[09:23] <Kilos> hi my fly
[10:05] <charl> hi psyatw
[10:06] <psyatw> Kilos. yes, you did
[10:07] <Symmetria> hrm
[10:07] <Symmetria> Im looking for a developer
[10:07] <charl> hi Symmetria
[10:07] <Symmetria> someone good in perl or one of the other languages that can process text config files and produce me certain reports
[10:08] <Symmetria> and someone who is interested in 3 or 4 weeks of hard work with a very nice payday attached
[10:08] <Symmetria> ;p
[10:08] <Symmetria> :) lo charl
[10:08] <Symmetria> so if anyone knows anyone let me know
[10:08] <charl> python is good for that type of tasks, and unlike perl, it has a nice readable syntax :)
[10:09] <Symmetria> (oh, and its pretty critical that the person have at least some understanding of networking, if not a very in depth knowledge of it)
[10:09] <Symmetria> charl, would be happy with a python developer as well, I need the output, what language its written in
[10:09] <Symmetria> I dont care :)
[10:09] <Symmetria> for all i care, it could be written in visual basic ;p
[10:09] <charl> ouch :D
[10:10] <charl> if i still worked freelance i would have been interested
[10:10] <charl> but i have a full time job now so i can't pick up massive quantity of work
[10:10] <charl> only small things i can do after hours in my own time
[10:10] <Symmetria> well, if ya know anyone, I have? a good coupla thousand dollars I can part with on this
[10:11] <Symmetria> (dependant on what the project ends up looking like, this could end up being worth 20 thousand dollars or something to someone)
[10:11] <charl> that's not bad, are you looking for someone to work on it full time? 40 hours per week for a month?
[10:12] <charl> any preference on where they are based? must be in .za?
[10:17] <Kilos> hi neo31
[10:17] <neo31> hi Kilos :)
[10:17] <charl> hi neo31
[10:18] <neo31> hi charl  :)
[10:18] <Kilos> :-) :-) :)
[10:19] <Kilos> thats to make up for smileys i naver use
[10:19] <charl> lol Kilos
[10:19] <Kilos> never either
[10:21] <charl> lunch time, bbl
[11:07] <Symmetria> charl, dont care where they are based
[11:07] <Symmetria> and time, well, I need them to look at the project and tell me how much time they need
[11:08] <Symmetria> the basic thing here is that we get what we need at the end of the day, the rest is all immaterial other than that this is really urgent
[11:54] <charl> Symmetria: i sent the above log to some developers i know, if they are interested i will pass them through
[11:55] <charl> Symmetria: i could take something on if it isn't too much work but if it's a lot of work there is no point because i need to do it after hours
[11:58] <charl> hi trender
[11:58] <trender> afternoon charl
[12:24] <magespawn> afternoon all
[12:24] <magespawn> Kilos you around?
[12:25] <Kilos> wb magespawn
[12:25] <magespawn> ty found this http://www.bhphotovideo.com/indepth/computers/buying-guides/wi-fi-routers.htm
[12:25] <magespawn> has some info about wifi etc
[12:26] <Kilos> ty
[12:27] <magespawn> it looks like there are some limitations to the modem you can use directly with the router
[12:34] <charl> hi magespawn
[12:37] <magespawn> hey charl
[12:38] <magespawn> Symmetria: maybe have a look at one of those freelance websites?
[12:47] <magespawn> bbl
[13:32] <inetpro> good afternoon
[13:32] <inetpro> hi Kilos, kom jy reg oom?
[13:33] <inetpro> do we have anyone running their Ubuntu systems on Dell servers?
[13:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> not I
[13:34]  * inetpro has an issue with a R710
[13:35] <inetpro> when booting up get the following error:
[13:35] <inetpro> your battery is either charging, bad or missing, and you have VDs configured
[13:35] <inetpro> for write-back mode. Because the batteryis not currently usable, these VDs
[13:35] <inetpro> wil actually run in write-through mode untilthe battery is fully charged or
[13:35] <inetpro> replaced if it is bad or missing.
[13:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> ...
[13:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> there's more?
[13:35] <tonberryE352> replace the batteries?
[13:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, i don't see the ubuntu-related part :)
[13:36] <inetpro> I swapped it out with another non-critical server
[13:36] <inetpro> what I want to know,...
[13:37] <inetpro> how would one detect this kind of problem on a running server
[13:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah
[13:37] <Kilos> die ding het nou net gekom inetpro
[13:37] <tonberryE352> pester dell until they release a tool?
[13:37] <Kilos> moet eers help met ander goed
[13:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> you'd need to try and get the utility for the RAID card to run under ubuntu
[13:38] <inetpro> tonberryE352: you have someone I can talk to at Dell?
[13:39] <tonberryE352> no
[13:39] <inetpro> :-)
[13:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> we use IBM stuff here, they use IBM-branded LSI RAID hardware and we were able to get the LSI MegaRAID util running
[13:39] <tonberryE352> aren't they supposed to have good support or something
[13:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> what raid card is it?
[13:40] <inetpro> tonberryE352: We'll try to log a call and I'll take it from there, was just hoping someone here will perhaps have a quick answer for me
[13:40] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: I assume it's Perc 6
[13:41] <tonberryE352> ah no, sorry, playing with an old server is the limit of my experience
[13:41]  * inetpro interrogating dmidecode to find out
[13:42] <inetpro> hmm.... nothing in there
[13:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> inetpro: not familiar with Dell, but it seems to be a rebranded LSI, just like IBM does with their stuff
[13:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> inetpro: http://pookey.co.uk/wordpress/archives/46-dell-perc-6i-and-raid-monitoring
[13:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> also http://serverfault.com/a/261117/4487, which is IBM-related, but may help too
[13:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> methinks inetpro is suffering terrible headaches. the kind only LSI's MegaCLI can bring about :-p
[14:03] <Vince-0> I think openIPMI can report that stuff
[14:06] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: what bugs me is that they keep changing these things all the time
[14:06] <inetpro> and one group of developers seems very pro open source while the next doesn't seem to have a clue what the previous group has done
[14:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> who is "they"?
[14:14] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: good question
[14:15] <inetpro> not sure I know the answer to that :-)
[14:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> you lost me :-/
[14:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> it bugs you that "they" keep changing "things" all the time
[14:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> who and what things?
[14:17] <inetpro> I mean the people at Dell
[14:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah
[14:19] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: but thanks for those links, looks like something I need to go through in more detail
[14:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> no worries
[14:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> i also dread every time new models come along
[14:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> last year we got new IBM DS3500 storage arrays, and it took me more than a week of trial and error and tweaking to get the multipath.conf settings just right :-/
[14:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> and then when its time for the new LTS you start playing the "hold thumbs and hope this still works" for all those weird tweaks
[14:21] <inetpro> exactly
[14:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> i still hope that one day ubuntu will enjoy the support that redhat/sles have from the vendors
[14:28] <Kilos> nuwe goed wat so pla inetpro ?
[14:39]  * Kilos cries
[14:39] <Kilos> Maaz, is http://support.billion.com/_Internet/usermanual/BiPAC7300N_UMEN.zip down
[14:39] <Maaz> Kilos: Yes, http://support.billion.com/_Internet/usermanual/BiPAC7300N_UMEN.zip is down (Server is not responding)
[14:52] <Kilos> can one of you look at the mail from johan about the vodacom connection. i think he has to use something different to vodacom for his service provider
[14:53] <Kilos> i have no idea what it could be
[14:54] <Kilos> 8ta installed here and showed in nm as 8.ta and i had to remove the . and just use 8ta in the script but have no idea what the vodacom would be
[14:54] <Kilos> please
[14:56] <Kilos> maybe vodacom instead of vodacom but i dont wanna mail try this or that if its wrong
[14:57] <N8Wulf> g'day All
[14:57] <Kilos> hi N8Wulf
[14:59] <N8Wulf_> Grrr...!  I started with my media server HDD setups and part of it is that I wanna change the NTFS to Ext4
[15:01] <N8Wulf_> I made a mistake though
[15:01] <N8Wulf_> terminal
[15:02] <N8Wulf_> mkdir Temp
[15:02] <N8Wulf_> mv /* Temp
[15:03] <N8Wulf_> and that ended up moving everything on / into one file called Temp
[15:03] <N8Wulf_> is there a way to retrieve or Undo this mess I created?
[15:04] <N8Wulf_> Please Mr Kilos
[15:04] <Kilos> oh my
[15:05] <Kilos> whew the clever guys need to help here
[15:06] <Kilos> what if you reverse the command
[15:06] <Kilos> like mv Temp /
[15:06] <Kilos> better wait for expert help
[15:09] <Kilos> and im just Kilos Mr died a while ago
[15:09] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, hi busy?
[15:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> hey, what's up
[15:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> hrmmmm
[15:14] <Kilos> see N8Wulf_ prob just above please
[15:14] <Kilos> need to reverse that command
[15:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> if those are the exact commands, then you couldn't have moved everything into a file called Temp, as you already have a directory called Temp
[15:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can't have a file and directory with the same name
[15:15] <N8Wulf_> well... the full run down is actually the following. I mounted sdb1 to /dev/files/disk1
[15:16] <N8Wulf_> then in there I've got a number of folders I wanted to sort out and then move into one communal folder called "new"
[15:16] <N8Wulf_> one of my folders is called Comedy
[15:17] <N8Wulf_> and then of course series and movies
[15:17] <N8Wulf_> I wanted to move these 3 folders into "new" and then only move new to my External HDD
[15:18] <N8Wulf_> so stupid, while also as sudo user, typed:
[15:18] <N8Wulf_> mv /* new
[15:18] <N8Wulf_> voila... Gone is my whole system into a new Raw file called new
[15:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> so "new" didn't exist as a directory
[15:19] <N8Wulf_> it stopped when it got to the point where documents where gonna start overwriting themselves
[15:19] <N8Wulf_> it did yes
[15:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> then all that stuff was moved into the directory
[15:19] <N8Wulf_> but instead of all moving into new/        it moved into new
[15:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmm
[15:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> hold on
[15:23] <N8Wulf_> Thank you
[15:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://slexy.org/view/s21tdnJSyO
[15:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> pretend "fakeroot" in my example is "/" on your system
[15:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> as you can see, it doesn't work the way you describe
[15:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> even if i don't create "new" beforehand, i get "mv: target ‘new’ is not a directory"
[15:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> what version of ubuntu are you using?
[15:32] <Kilos> hes offline ThatGraemeGuy
[15:32] <Kilos> playing in / is dangerous
[15:34] <Kilos> N8Wulf, <ThatGraemeGuy> even if i don't create "new" beforehand, i get "mv: target ‘new’ is not a directory"
 what version of ubuntu are you using?
[15:34] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21tdnJSyO
[15:37] <N8Wulf_> I,m on server 12.04
[15:38] <Kilos> N8Wulf_, did you look at the slexy link
[15:38] <N8Wulf_> sorry, my 3G DC'd
[15:39] <N8Wulf_> didn't see that until now, will check it out quickly
[15:39] <Kilos> np
[15:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> N8Wulf_: sorry, i can't make mine do that
[15:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> if the dir "new" exists, everything moves into it, if it doesn't exist, i get  "mv: target ‘new’ is not a directory"
[15:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> just tried it on a 12.04 box as root
[15:41] <N8Wulf_> brb... 4 yr old kiddie and EyePet on PS3 is bugging me, just have to go see her Pet quickly
[15:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> works exactly like my paste
[15:43] <N8Wulf_> I'm back...
[15:45] <N8Wulf_> ok, I think what I'll try and do seeing as I ended up moving my Ubuntu system which will be under / into the folder called /dev/files/drive1/new (according to that post in Slinky), and my system can no longer boot up, it's stuck at the Grub select screen...
[15:45] <Kilos> eish
[15:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> 2 tips
[15:46] <N8Wulf_> I will boot quickly with a Live DVD and then try move the contents from above folder structure then back to where it's supposed to be...
[15:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> less sudo is good for you :-)
[15:46] <N8Wulf_> lol
[15:46] <Kilos> hehe
[15:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> try a text-based filemanager like midnight commander, it's less prone to that sort of "oops"
[15:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> but yeah, at this stage a reinstall might be your only hope
[15:47] <N8Wulf_> was busy installing Apps and updating etc, then I went and moved that... (cry... sob.... blush)
[15:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> was the target dir ntfs?
[15:47] <N8Wulf_> jip, ntfs
[15:47] <N8Wulf_> forgot about MC
[15:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> you'll probably need to reinstall then, almost certainly your permissions will be completely wrong even if you do manage to move the stuff back
[15:48] <N8Wulf_> makes sense
[15:48] <N8Wulf_> damn!
[15:48] <N8Wulf_> whole day again
[15:49] <N8Wulf_> server setup
[15:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> we've all been there :)
[15:49] <N8Wulf_> updating... bla bla bla. Lucky it's holidays for me
[15:49] <N8Wulf_> I appreciate your assistance once again Guys
[15:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> no worries :-)
[15:50] <N8Wulf_> Good to know it's still there somewhere, I just need to access it from a working OS like a Live DVD. Viva Linux
[15:51] <N8Wulf_> Me Wifey is calling for some Irish Coffee... Coffee anyone?
[15:51] <Kilos> lol
[15:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> irish coffee mmmmmmmmm
[15:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> but you can hold the coffee, thanks :P
[15:54] <Kilos> thanks ThatGraemeGuy
[15:55] <N8Wulf_> I got some Mugg & Bean Espresso beans yesterday, gonna ground fresh now...
[16:00] <Kilos> N8Wulf_, if you boot from dvd you can try move all the downloaded packages to somewhere from /var/cache/apt/archives/
[16:01] <Kilos> i use rsync -av /var/cache/apt/archives/ /media/storage/packsp/
[16:02] <Kilos> then after new install reverse the command and apt-get update and you dont need to download everything when upgrading
[16:02] <Kilos> much faster
[16:03] <Kilos> and saves data
[16:03] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[16:04] <Kilos> even faster if you do it to a second drive in the pc
[16:19] <Kilos> im gonna try 3g in the router
[16:19] <Kilos> wbb
[16:31] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: FYI: I found the following nice resource https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-March/240968.html
[16:33] <Vince-0> Heyo
[16:34] <inetpro> installed Dell OpenManage 7.1 and am running the DSM SA Connection Service
[16:35] <inetpro> quite nifty
[16:35] <Kilos> yo plustwo you here?
[16:35] <Kilos> you still at work inetpro ?
[16:35] <inetpro> Kilos: yep, but on me way out
[16:35] <Kilos> np just asked
[16:36] <Kilos> its cold out there go safe inetpro
[16:36] <inetpro> Kilos: ta
[16:36] <Kilos> hi psychicist
[16:36] <psychicist> hi Kilos
[16:36] <psychicist> hi inetpro
[16:47] <Superhuman> Kilos: where are you based again?
[16:47] <Kilos> west of pta Superhuman
[16:48] <Superhuman> outside of pta, orcwestern part of pta?
[16:48] <Superhuman> 8or western
[16:48] <Kilos> outside along van der hoff on the road to brits
[16:49] <Superhuman> ah ok.
[16:49]  * Superhuman is based in Centurion
[16:49] <Kilos> aha
[16:49] <Kilos> just as cold
[16:50] <Superhuman> yeah, we have bad chill factor here, becausevwe're close to rietvlei dam. extra cold.
[16:51] <Kilos> eish same as here we are down near a spruit as well
[16:51] <Kilos> as you walk towards it you feel the temp dropping
[16:53] <Superhuman> yeah. The temp is easily 2deg cooler if you go 500m closer to the dam.
[17:01] <Superhuman> Kilos: do you perhaps know what type of bot Maaz is? eggdrop?
[17:23] <Kilos> Superhuman, can you remember what you said yesterday about letting the wifi router share my 3g?
[17:23] <Kilos> or did you google for the info
[17:28] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn all good?
[17:29] <nlsthzn> Uncle Kilos , all good thanks and with you?
[17:29] <Kilos> good ty
[17:29] <Kilos> but your heat aint arrived yet
[17:29] <nlsthzn> cool :)
[17:29] <nlsthzn> how did the switch to KDE go?
[17:30] <Kilos> i use and enjoy both
[17:30] <Kilos> dont like any of the x jobs though
[17:31] <nlsthzn> x jobs?
[17:31] <Kilos> xubuntu crunchbang etc
[17:32] <nlsthzn> oh xfce?
[17:32] <Kilos> ya
[17:33] <nlsthzn> lol, guess what I just installed and am using right now :p
[17:33] <Kilos> what
[17:33] <Kilos> xfce?
[17:36] <nlsthzn> xubuntu :p
[17:36] <Kilos> rofl
[17:37] <Kilos> i think nuvolari also uses it but i dont fancy it much
[17:37] <Kilos> but comes with xchat so thats 1 +
[17:38] <nlsthzn> I decided on it because it is pretty, customizable, fast and yes all the apps I want to use look and work correctly :p
[17:38] <Kilos> hehe
[17:39] <Kilos> i couldnt get sound in xchat i think
[17:40] <nlsthzn> that sucks
[17:40] <nlsthzn> I can't get sound in xchat yet...
[17:40] <Kilos> ya
[17:40] <nlsthzn> but I think it is the same issue I had in ubuntu so I still have some tricks to pull out :p
[17:40] <Kilos> i even tried installing mplayer like you do
[17:41] <Kilos> haha
[17:41] <N8Wulf_> I've been around the block on all... LXDE, XFCE, Gnome 2 & 3, Unity, E16 & 17 and I must say, I'm enjoying kubuntu most so far
[17:41] <Kilos> but one the the x jobs are faster
[17:42] <Kilos> one thing
[17:42] <inetpro> Kilos: because it's bare minimum, that is why
[17:42] <Kilos> ah
[17:42] <inetpro> kubuntu is a decent and complete usable system
[17:43] <Kilos> the router works but dont see the arab modem
[17:43] <Kilos> grrr
[17:43] <inetpro> ai!
[17:43] <Kilos> lol
[17:44]  * inetpro was afraid that would be the case
[17:44] <Kilos> they got no TcT in their supported modems
[17:44] <Kilos> so now i gotta work out how to share again
[17:45]  * inetpro wbbl
[17:45] <Kilos> tried info from one sight with masquerading in but dont work
[17:46] <nlsthzn> hiya inetpro
[17:47] <Kilos> he gone to fill belly now
[17:48] <Kilos> ohya nlsthzn im tempted to try an android os here
[17:49] <nlsthzn> on a phone?
[17:49] <Kilos> no on pc
[17:50] <Kilos> sis has a tablet but i dont like them things but maybe if a desktop version is similar i can help her a bit
[17:51] <nlsthzn> there are desktops coming out now with
[17:51] <nlsthzn> Android...
[17:51] <nlsthzn> not so common however
[17:51] <Kilos> isnt android the future
[17:53] <nlsthzn> well on mobile and touch devices it rocks :)
[17:53] <Kilos> might be interesting to see it on a pc
[17:54] <nlsthzn> HP is bringing one out now AFAIK
[18:02] <Symmetria> ugh I was disconnected and charl left
[18:02] <Symmetria> how do I leave a message for him on the bot :)
[18:03] <Kilos> tell
[18:03] <Kilos> tell so+so on freenode message
[18:05] <Kilos> nl they small isos
[18:05] <Kilos> nlsthzn,
[18:05] <Kilos> http://code.google.com/p/android-x86/downloads/list
[18:06] <nlsthzn> don't mean they work :p
[18:07] <Kilos> hehe
[18:10] <Kilos> i wonder if it will then look like what you see onna tablet
[18:11] <nlsthzn> can't find any pics showing it :/
[18:11] <nlsthzn> only news items
[18:12] <Kilos> http://liliputing.com/2013/02/android-x86-4-2-lets-you-run-jelly-bean-on-your-notebook-desktop-pc.html
[18:12] <Kilos> looks same
[18:13] <Kilos> maybe i wont like that i kinda a ubuntu oke
[18:13] <nlsthzn> yes but this is just someone putting stock android on a pc
[18:13] <nlsthzn> this isn't a vendor putting android on a pc
[18:13] <Kilos> oh i see what you mean
[18:31] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[20:31] <inetpro> This is so cool! http://instantserver.io
[20:33] <inetpro> a VPS with Ubuntu 13.04 ready within seconds
[20:51] <zeref> hmmm
[20:52] <zeref> hmmmm, I'm having trouble setting up my internal DNS server: I follwed: http://mixeduperic.com/ubuntu/seven-easy-steps-to-setting-up-an-interal-dns-server-on-ubuntu.html
[20:53] <zeref> my dns server in on <IP_ADDRESS>. but when I dig it it points to .1 which is the router
[20:54] <zeref> router is set to be dhcp server. I'm set a static ip for the dns server
[20:54] <zeref> s/I'm/I've/
[20:55] <superfly> did you refresh your ip address on your computer?
[20:58] <zeref> on the server?
[20:58] <superfly> no, on your computer
[20:59] <zeref> yes
[20:59] <superfly> if your computer still has the old settings, then of course it's not going to look at the new ones
[20:59] <superfly> zeref: how?
[21:00] <zeref> disconnected from wireless then reconencted
[21:01] <superfly> a lot of these routers need to be rebooted for their settings to take effect... you did that too?
[21:01] <zeref> hmmm, lemme reboot
[21:06] <zeref> hmmmm, wireless not coming on
[21:08] <magespawn> evening
[21:08] <magespawn> inetpro nice link
[21:08] <inetpro> magespawn: very!
[21:09] <inetpro> even if it expires in 30 minutes
[21:09] <zeref> hmmmm still pointing to the router.
[21:09] <magespawn> yup cool way to get experince too
[21:10] <magespawn> spelling is bad lat3 atmnight
[21:10] <magespawn> so is typing
[21:10] <inetpro> :-)
[21:10] <inetpro> magespawn: time to go sleep
[21:10] <magespawn> even the price on the add next to it is attractive
[21:11] <magespawn> s/add/advert
[21:11] <magespawn> indeed but a bit hyped on caffeen from anti flu med
[21:13] <zeref> inetpro:
[21:13] <inetpro> uh?
[21:14] <zeref> can you perhaps give insight into my problem
[21:15] <magespawn> dhcp will assign internal ip and the dns along with it, the dns that is on the router from the isp i think
[21:15] <inetpro> zeref: http://www.bind9.net/manuals
[21:16] <magespawn> was waiting on 'man bind' lol
[21:16] <zeref> true magespawn: but settting up an internal DNS
[21:17] <magespawn> but does the computer know that or is taking the dns along with dhcp from the router?
[21:18] <zeref> i'm thinking that setting the router as dhcp also sets it as dns
[21:20] <magespawn> yes that is what i was trying to say
[21:21] <magespawn> what will happen if you manually set the dns on your router to the ip address of your server?
[21:22]  * inetpro calls it a day
[21:22] <inetpro> good night everyone
[21:22] <magespawn> or you have to manually set each machine to check the local server for dns first
[21:22] <magespawn> good night inetpro
[21:22] <inetpro> zeref: see also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIND9ServerHowto
[21:23] <inetpro> bye
[21:23] <zeref> magespawn: The dns server has got a static address.
[21:24] <magespawn> yes i meant the other pc they need to have the dns set instead of taking it from the dhcp server/router
[21:29] <zeref> tried that
[21:31] <magespawn> hmmm
[21:31] <magespawn> maybe you have to tell the router which dns to use
[21:32] <zeref> busy reading on that
[21:34] <magespawn> if you do that and the config on your server is wrong it dns and hostnames will not resolve
[21:34] <magespawn> could be fun
[21:37] <magespawn> i have to go sleep unfortnately, i will be in, in the morning, let me know how it goes, will help if i can
[21:37] <magespawn> good  night all


[00:00] <cwillu_at_work> oh, but you've seen the segfaults?
[00:00] <cwillu_at_work> that doesn't look like you're even getting into qemu
[00:01] <rcn-ee> yeap..  it use to segfault after apt-geting everything in the second stage...
[00:01] <cwillu_at_work> have you used up all your loop devices?
[00:01] <cwillu_at_work> well, I seem to have a workaround for the segfaults
[00:02] <cwillu_at_work> something with the lucid userspace confuses qemu;  like a libc mismatch or something
[00:02] <rcn-ee> nope.. none's showing up with mount... (the script auto umounts any it finds..)
[00:02] <cwillu_at_work> if you exec into a new script after debootstrap finishes, you can proceed normally
[00:03] <cwillu_at_work> rcn-ee, add a -x to the set -e in rootstrap, and send me the next log you get from it
[00:04] <cwillu_at_work> I'm using a fork rootstrap, but I doubt they've changed a whole lot;  it's still just a glorified wrapper around deboobstrap :)
[00:04] <cwillu_at_work> forked, rather
[00:05] <rcn-ee> yeah mine is too, the useful stuff i send up to oliver...
[00:05] <cwillu_at_work> oh, I see what's going on there now
[00:05] <cwillu_at_work> dying at gnupg
[00:05] <cwillu_at_work> or was that the old segfault?
[00:06] <rcn-ee> i don't remember.. ;)  i'll fire up my script, i got a full mirror here so it's prety quick..
[00:07] <cwillu_at_work> set -xe in rootstock as well as the installer script that iirc is created from within rootstock
[00:08] <cwillu_at_work> also, somebody should make an smp versatile kernel :p
[00:08] <rcn-ee> i think lool's trying to get 512Mb to work first..
[00:08] <cwillu_at_work> meh, just make a big swap device on a tmpfs
[00:08] <cwillu_at_work> swappiness=100, and you're laughing
[00:09] <rcn-ee> I've gotten a nice speed bump from this.. ;) http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~beagleboard-kernel/+junk/image-builder/annotate/head:/patches/05-use-real-hardware.diff  (i give it nice fast harddrive..)
[00:11] <cwillu_at_work> I'd expect that to be similar to enabling writeback caching on a normal device file?
[00:11] <cwillu_at_work> performance-gain-wise
[00:11] <cwillu_at_work> -drive file=${IMAGENAME},aio=native,cache=writeback
[00:11] <cwillu_at_work> is what I use
[00:12] <rcn-ee> i think so...  it would also help if i used that drive as my filesystem, it's about 2x faster...
[00:16] <cwillu_at_work> I spoke too soon as usual
[00:16] <cwillu_at_work> I got significantly further along, but it still ended in a segfault
[00:18] <rcn-ee> mine just reached apt-get...  should crash any minute...
[00:19] <cwillu_at_work> there isn't any qemu special sauce compiled into those qemu kernels is there?
[00:19] <cwillu_at_work> I guess when I put it like that..
[00:20] <rcn-ee> i think the cortex-a8 emulation is relatively new in qemu...
[00:20] <cwillu_at_work> but a karmic debootstrap is rock solid
[00:21] <rcn-ee> yeap.. and all those packages where armv6....
[00:21] <cwillu_at_work> ahhhhhhhh
[00:21] <cwillu_at_work> well that makes some sense of it
[00:21] <rcn-ee> so one question that comes to my mind... is qemu emulating all the cortex-a8 errata properlly.; )
[00:22]  * cwillu_at_work giggles and groans
[00:22] <rcn-ee> and we have the thumb2 bits on too.. which lucid is the first distro to ever try that... Angstrom is just arm mode...
[00:22] <cwillu_at_work> I see now why we build our packages on actual arms
[00:23] <rcn-ee> now that 2.6.34's almost in shape, i'm thinking of taking some time to make a 'arm' rootstock...
[00:24] <cwillu_at_work> wouldn't be hard;  you could basically search and replace the qemu calls with chroot
[00:25] <rcn-ee> exactly... chroot's are easy.. and we aren't emulating anything..
[00:25] <cwillu_at_work> I just... wish I could saturate my server doing builds rather than using the real hardware
[00:26] <rcn-ee> that's one of the big advantages of rootstock...
[00:27] <cwillu_at_work> stupid segfaults
[00:28]  * cwillu_at_work tries cortex-a9 for kicks
[00:28] <rcn-ee> have you tried the beagle qemu target?
[00:28] <cwillu_at_work> didn't see such a thing
[00:29] <rcn-ee> i see lool running "qemu-system-arm -M beagle" every once in a while, not sure if it's mainline..
[00:29] <cwillu_at_work> doesn't show up in qemu -M ?
[00:35] <rcn-ee> yeap.. just segfauted...
[00:35] <rcn-ee> what's weird, it gets so close to being done...
[00:36] <cwillu_at_work> feels racy
[00:37] <rcn-ee> didn't get the whole log.. here's right after apt-get was done in the internal script... http://pastebin.com/V3LTkeEZ
[00:38] <cwillu_at_work> ya, not much interesting going on there :/
[00:38] <rcn-ee> of couse, when i do the next run, it'll segfault earlier... for some strange reason on this pc... the first run will get that far...
[00:39] <rcn-ee> when they get back from uds, fingers crossed for a duh moment by a qemu guy..
[00:40]  * cwillu_at_work sighs
[00:40] <cwillu_at_work> thanks for reminding me that I'm a programmer, and really should be able to solve this sort of thing myself :p
[00:40]  * cwillu_at_work apt-get sources qemu
[00:41] <rcn-ee> nah.. 'arm' roostock... then once qemu is fixed, you can run it in emulation.. ;)
[00:42] <cwillu_at_work> I can hurt you... :p
[00:44] <rcn-ee> one thing i haven't looked direcly into.. is the qemu-kvm a branch/fork of qemu
[00:46] <cwillu_at_work> -kvm is the mainline of it now, isn't it?
[00:47] <rcn-ee> well kvm is in the mainline kernel... so qemu-kvm would just also include the extensions needed to utilze that..
[00:48] <rcn-ee> the only really big thing, in lucid rootstock gets alot farther then qemu in squeeze..
[00:50] <cwillu_at_work> what release date was squeeze approximately?
[00:50] <cwillu_at_work> or it's not out yet?
[00:50] <rcn-ee> mid summer...  still over 1K bugs.. half patched in last report..
[00:51] <cwillu_at_work> sorry, it's due this summer?
[00:51] <rcn-ee> yeah, they were saying summer 2010... i'm thinking winter 2010/11.. ;)
[00:52] <cwillu_at_work> ls
[00:52] <rcn-ee> other then being slow compared to karmic/lucid it's been reliable on my beagles..
[00:53] <cwillu_at_work> nothing much in debian/patches
[00:55] <rcn-ee> there's been some activity...  http://git.kernel.org/?p=virt/kvm/qemu-kvm.git
[00:55] <rcn-ee> to rebuild or not rebuild.. ;)
[00:55] <cwillu_at_work> ya, just not in the patches dir :p
[00:56] <cwillu_at_work> 13 days ago
[00:58] <rcn-ee> qemu in lucid is 0.12.3 whereas git is 0.12.4 + 2 weeks of patches..
[00:59] <rcn-ee> or the head is taged,  not out..
[03:37] <DanaG> mmm, butter.
[03:37] <DanaG> Good with toast and garlic.
[03:37] <DanaG> Or more precisely, a French baguette, I think.
[08:13] <cwillu_at_work> how _do_ you update our qemu package?
[09:26] <ogra> Guest83715, so about your suid problem, doesnt genex2fs just take the permissions that are created when creating the chroot ?
[09:27] <ogra> (i.e. does it reset anypermissions that already exist ?)
[09:35] <NCommand2r> ogra: sorry, internet here is ****
[09:35]  * NCommand2r is on a 3G card now
[09:36] <ogra> NCommand1r, i answered the mail, that should make it better ;)
[09:36] <NCommand2r> ogra: we can't extract the raw files preserving permissoins without unsquashfs or tar running as root. Its unclear if genext2fs saves permissions as it builds the filesystems
[09:36] <ogra> why would you extract anything ?
[09:37] <NCommand2r> ogra: you have to extract the squashfs with the preinstalled system on it, no?
[09:37] <ogra> livecd-rootfs should just provide us a generated ext3 image
[09:37] <ogra> i think you are fiddling with the wrong bit here :)
[09:37] <NCommand2r> ogra: OH, that will work
[09:37] <NCommand2r> ogra: I think your right.
[09:37]  * NCommand2r goes to hide in shame
[09:37] <ogra> nah
[09:38] <ogra> was a valid issue ... just the wrong design assumption
[09:38] <NCommand2r> ogra: yeah, fiddling with the wrong bits, although if we're doing this on the image build system, we can just loopmount
[09:38] <NCommand2r> which solves a lot of headache IMHO, and lets us use EXT4
[09:38] <ogra> i'll write up the spec tomorrow if i'm back from my fathers place, that should make everything clearer
[09:39] <NCommand2r> ogra: yeah, I find writing code during UDS can be counterproductive when one's mind is exhausted
[09:39] <ogra> for code sanity we should just use genext2fs instead of mksquashfs in livecd-rootfs
[09:39] <NCommand2r> ogra: but if we generate the extX image on the live image builder, then we should just use a loop mount and ext4
[09:39] <ogra> that can then keep a similar command structure
[09:39] <NCommand2r> */2 cents*
[09:40] <ogra> loop mounting will add a new function, using genext2fs will just be a case check and one additional commandline
[09:40] <NCommand2r> ogra: well, sorta, we still need a new code path to only download that live image, and then excute the boot scripts. Its just not a drop in replacement (sadly)
[09:40] <ogra> it is
[09:40] <NCommand2r> ogra: in d-cd?
[09:40] <NCommand2r> hrm
[09:40] <NCommand2r> let me wait for your spec
[09:40] <ogra> i'll show you some code3 next week :)
[09:40] <NCommand2r> then it will be much clearer
[09:40] <ogra> -3
[09:41] <NCommand2r> ogra: yeah, lets save this for next week, I think we're both exhausted from UDS :-/
[09:41] <NCommand2r> (where are you anyway?)
[09:41] <ogra> #right, i'm massively sick ...
[09:41] <ogra> at home
[09:41] <ogra> carried a bad cold with me ... but dont want to miss my fathers 80est so i'll vanish now
[09:41] <NCommand2r> ogra: ah, you have the ubuflu
[09:42]  * NCommand2r has it too
[09:42] <ogra> i'll write up the spec tomorrow and do some PoC code for livecd-rootfs
[09:42] <NCommand2r> ogra: I'll assist with the d-cd hacking once I understand your design and help test it all out
[09:43] <ogra> its identical to the other livecd builds, just that the image name doesnt end with the squashfs suffix
[09:43] <ogra> use the existing omap code
[09:44] <ogra> one issue we have here is that MLO needs to sit in the first block of the vfat
[09:44] <ogra> and that u-boot.bin needs to be in the vfat as well ... beyond that it should be pretty much identical
[09:44] <ogra> oh, wait, no ...
[09:44] <ogra> we need code for a second partition to dd the ext2 into ...
[09:45] <ogra> so it should be a merge of the existing omap and imx51 code
[09:45] <NCommand2r> ogra: the issue is that we don't want the code to add a pool or anything to the image
[09:45] <NCommand2r> ogra: that needs to be removed
[09:45] <ogra> right, i'm talking aboout live
[09:46] <ogra> we need a two partition image ... code is in imx51
[09:46] <ogra> but here the first partition isnt raw but vfat
[09:46] <NCommand2r> ogra: but the live image still has a pool on it and other files beside the squashfs
[09:47] <ogra> ah, right, that will need special casing, we dont want to use the ship seed
[09:47] <ogra> or ship-live or however it is called atm
[09:47] <ogra> there should be code in d-cd wheer you can just disable it
[09:48] <NCommand2r> ogra: yeah, so this isn't quite as trivial as we wish, but we'll figure it out. lets save it for Monday
[09:48] <ogra> well, we have all code already, its really more a copy paste job and one extra special case
[09:49] <ogra> anyway, i'm off
[12:43] <Martyn> ogra, you on perchance?
[12:43] <Martyn> I still have your serial cable...
[13:01] <Omegamoon> I managed to get qemu-arm running with more than 256mb internal memory
[13:03] <Omegamoon> at least kernel reports the additional memory ;-)
[13:06] <Omegamoon> anyone knows a quick check to see whether or not the 256+ mb memory can actually be used?
[13:08] <Omegamoon> this is qemu-0.10.6 using versaltilepb on arm with 850mb memory by the way
[13:44] <wamills> Hi all.  The arm ubuntu 10.04 info is hard to find.  Any change that the link on the main pages can be updated to not point at the Lucid info and not the Karmic info?
[13:44] <wamills> umm _to_ point to the Lucid info
[13:47] <wamills> So, I have been playing with the Lucid netbook install image for beagle
[13:48] <wamills> I have the netbook install on one SD and am installing to another in a USB reader.
[13:49] <wamills> From what I can tell the installer does nothing to actually set up u-boot to actually boot the new image, correct?
[13:50] <wamills> If so I would like to update the wiki page to describe how to do that.
[13:51] <wamills> I just don't want to do that if I missed something. (I always walk away while the files are coping.  I have never seen it finish.  I alway come back to just the purple wallpaper.
[15:09] <wamills> > ogra, does netbook install adjust u-boot parameters at all?
[16:11] <cwillu> rcn-ee, checked latest qemu git tag, still segfaults
[16:17] <rcn-ee> well it's consistent.. ;)
[16:17] <cwillu> :)
[16:19]  * cwillu resigns himself to a future of beaglestock
[18:01] <Omegamoon> cwillu: what machine are you emulating on qemu?
[18:07] <rcn-ee> Omegamoon, rootstock context, so versatile..
[18:34] <Omegamoon> rcn-ee: I just tried to cross the 256mb memory boundary on versatilepb in qemu
[18:35] <rcn-ee> how'd it go? it didn't fail like before?
[18:35] <Omegamoon> kernel is reporting 850mb now, and I'm building 'apt' just to see if it works
[18:36] <rcn-ee> cool
[18:36] <Omegamoon> I'm hitting a different boundary now, it seems...
[18:36] <Omegamoon> cpu is 100% all the time ;-)
[18:38] <Omegamoon> the qemu-system-arm process is using 306mb of memory already, so I guess it works
[20:35] <Martyn> ogra : Are you on?
[20:36] <Martyn> I've got your USB -> RS232 adapter.  If I can get your address before leaving Belgium, I can pop it in the mail
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[01:24] <tshauck> Hi, I'm trying to use an ubuntu ec2 instance and cloudinit to copy files from s3 to the instance, but it isn't working… what's the best way to diagnose the issue
[01:24] <sarnold> "isn't working" is vague -- what specifically doesn't work?
[01:26] <tshauck> sorry - so the files aren't getting copied over from s3 to the instance
[01:26] <sarnold> do you get any errors or warnings anywhere along the process?
[01:27] <tshauck> No, I tried checking the cfn-init and cloud-init logs, but didn't notice anything
[01:28] <tshauck> although I'm a neophyte at this
[01:28] <tshauck> I tried it with the standard amazon ami and it worked
[01:29] <sarnold> tshauck: does it matter if the instance is up and running or spun down or ..? (I'm newer at it than you, hehe)
[01:32] <tshauck> ya… don't know, I mean the whole idea of cloud formation is to start up the instance with the config of the cloud formation
[01:33] <sarnold> tshauck: so, both amis were spun down when doing the cloudinit?
[01:35] <tshauck> there was only one instance, cloud formation takes a template then using cloudinit to startup the instance
[01:36] <neunon> hi everyone. who owns uec-images.ubuntu.com content? for an internal tool, my company's been using an automatically generated JSON file from there (containing a big list of EC2 AMIs and some metadata), and the file vanished sometime over the past few days.
[02:20] <Tohuw> When isc-dhcp-server is configured to update bind9, to where are the A records for new clients written?
[02:33] <patdk-lap> into bind
[02:33] <patdk-lap> it directly modifies the zone file
[04:06] <gerbilcabbagehai> U.S.12.04 , How do I check if the server can view the internet via CLI
[04:08] <gerbilcabbagehai> for that matter, what do i type to see what packages are installed on the server?
[04:09] <Guest98952> this room is dead bro
[04:09] <Tohuw> gerbilcabbagehai: Define "view the the Internet". If you mean testing to see if it can reach networks across the WAN, a ping test never hurts: ping <IP_ADDRESS> or ping google.com (assuming a DNS client is configured).
[04:09] <gerbilcabbagehai> true
[04:09] <Tohuw> gerbilcabbagehai: To view installed packages, try dpkg --get-selections
[04:10] <Guest98952> tohuw how do you get the address lik www.yoursite.com
[04:10] <Tohuw> Guest98952: Register a domain with a registrar, then point the domain to something. A registrar's site often has helpful guides on this process. Try www.namecheap.com.
[04:12] <gerbilcabbagehai> what is the unix form of dir /p I've tried |more but it only does one list item more, rather than a whole page full
[04:13] <gerbilcabbagehai> looking up man more now
[04:14] <Tohuw> gerbilcabbagehai: If you want to list files a page at a time, try ls | more
[04:14] <Tohuw> Good on you for surfing the manpages. That will get you far.
[04:15] <gerbilcabbagehai> oh lol. i was overthinking. page up page down will probably do it
[04:15] <gerbilcabbagehai> i pushed enter
[04:15] <gerbilcabbagehai> space is the equivalent. lol i feel silly. thanks for your help so far Tohuw
[04:18] <gerbilcabbagehai> alright, ill take a step back, how can i see if my server box is connecting to the router?
[04:19] <Tohuw> gerbilcabbagehai: The best first step is probably to see the current active configuration of the network interfaces. Check man ifconfig
[04:20] <gerbilcabbagehai> network not accessible. reading man now
[04:21] <gerbilcabbagehai> im not scared of cli anymore
[04:22] <gerbilcabbagehai> i used to be. This is the fourth time I've installed ubuntu (since 5.04) and have slowly been learning to use it
[04:22] <gerbilcabbagehai> a couple of times i uninstalled after getting frustrated and went back to win. but i haven't given up, and now things are starting to make sense...(have to unlearn win/dos bad habits)
[04:26] <gerbilcabbagehai> does ifconfig stand for InterFace Configuration?
[04:32] <joeb3_> gerbilcabbagehai, yes it does.
[04:32] <gerbilcabbagehai> thanks joeb3_
[04:33] <gerbilcabbagehai> im starting to think my server is not installed correctly. would i need to restart the server after having disconnected then reconnected the router, or will the server sense the reconnection?
[04:35] <joeb3_> it should sense the connection
[04:40] <gerbilcabbagehai> i rebooted just in case and now it wont boot at all. im going to check this out. ill be awhile. thanks for your help
[04:57] <gerbilcabbagehai> i think... the server might have been running off a dvd... when i removed it, and rebooted it could no longer work...
[04:58] <gerbilcabbagehai> problem was, i removed the dvd a week ago. :)
[06:33] <gerbilcabbagehai> is it common to need to reinstall US1204 often?
[06:49] <gerbilcabbagehai> ok, my server is up and running again. how do i see the public www page from another computer on the same network? typing in my address bar the name of the server isn't working so im typing something wrong
[06:49] <gerbilcabbagehai> is it //servername ?
[06:51] <gerbilcabbagehai> never mind. i found the ip address of teh server and its working
[07:21] <jibel> cloud-init update to 0.7.0~bzr659-0ubuntu1 is broken. I filed bug 1053239
[08:18] <railsraider> hi i need to automate the aptitude safe upgrade and keep the local version of grub installed how to i set it via debconf or something?
[08:25] <xnox> railsraider: google for apt pinning, then use unattended-upgrade
[08:26] <railsraider> xnox: thanks
[08:58] <linocisco> How could I get free LAMP cloud server with webconsole without having credit card of my own?? I looked at Amazon EC2 but that registration needs credit card info.
[08:59] <linocisco> I dont want to use one month cloud offier by ubuntu cloud. which is short term
[08:59] <linocisco> I dont want to use one month cloud offer by ubuntu cloud. which is short term
[09:04] <Japje> linocisco: build your own cloud, then you can have a lamp server for free
[09:04] <linocisco> Japje, I have no domain registered . How can I?
[09:05] <Japje> linocisco: http://bit.ly/S9r9yi
[09:05] <Japje> there you can find how to build a cloud
[09:06] <linocisco> Japje, thanks
[09:06] <linocisco> Japje, I will look at it
[09:07] <Japje> np
[09:08] <linocisco> Japje, it is nothing. I searched similiar like that. I want to know the site with free cloud based LAMP server ready for me to upload only web application with free registration
[09:10] <Japje> linocisco: i dont think there are such providers
[09:10] <Japje> free is never free
[09:11] <eagles0513875> hey guys I ran a few more tests to see why i cannot connect to my dovecot imaps + postfix setup everythign is configured correctly yet squirrelmail gives me an error 111 connection refused and nothing is showing up in the mail logs or apache logs
[09:11] <eagles0513875> any help would be greatly appreciated
[09:15] <linocisco> Japje, someone said http://java.dzone.com/articles/free-ec2-cloud-server-based-0 . but it asked for Credit card when I click on EC2 tab
[09:16] <Japje> why dont you just pay for something you need?
[09:16] <Japje> like the rest of the world
[09:17] <Japje> buy some quality, and you know what you want, so you can shop for it
[09:17] <Japje> if the product is free, you are the product
[09:17] <linocisco> Japje,  As I am user of ubuntu, I like the spirit of ever Free
[09:17] <Japje> Free as in free speech, not free beer
[09:32] <linocisco> Japje, free in imagination not in reality?
[09:39] <CluelessPerson> Hello all.
[09:40] <CluelessPerson> Can someone help me with chroot with a fstab mounted shared folder on virtualbox?
[09:41] <Japje> linocisco: then goodluck with finding a free cloud server with lamp ;)
[09:41] <CluelessPerson> When I try to SFTP in as group:user I get the error  "fatal: bad ownership or modes for chroot or component 'mounted drive' "
[09:42] <CluelessPerson> My fstab is setup: SFTP /media/sftp vboxsf rw,auto,umak=0755,gid=sftp,uid=root,async 0 0
[09:43] <CluelessPerson> My understanding is that the direcotry that's shared is required to be locked down with chmod 755 or 750.  Has to be root, but group accessible to the sftp user.
[12:38] <Korsakof> Hi everyone! Anyone is using LXC?
[12:39] <Korsakof> I want to migrate my old shared web server with traditionnal chroot to lxc virtual server.
[12:39] <Korsakof> Since each lxc server receives a private ip, I don't know how to route request from the host to the container...
[12:41] <Korsakof> ex: in the dns www.mysite.com -> (<IP_ADDRESS> thehost.com) but all request to www.mysite.com should be route to <IP_ADDRESS> lxc
[12:43] <Korsakof> so a client that "ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>connect automatically in the container forwarded from the host :)
[12:51] <Redoubt> Hello all. I'm need some preseeding help in Ubuntu Server
[12:52] <Redoubt> Is there a reason that, in the my custom preseed file, I cannot access /cdrom ?
[12:55] <Redoubt> As a simple example, take the following late_command: preseed/late_command string df > /target/home/df.txt; ls -Rl /cdrom > /target/home/cdrom.txt; ls -Rl /target/media/cdrom > /target/home/target_cdrom.txt\
[12:55] <Redoubt> Oops-- missed the d-i
[12:55] <Redoubt> d-i   preseed/late_command string df > /target/home/df.txt; ls -Rl /cdrom > /target/home/cdrom.txt; ls -Rl /target/media/cdrom > /target/home/target_cdrom.txt
[12:56] <Redoubt> The only part of that command that works is the df. And the result of the df do indeed show /cdrom! The Ubuntu Server install tells me that command fails, and neither of the other two files contain any text
[12:58] <Redoubt> All I want to do is add a repository key offline. So I included the key with the ISO. But I can't seem to get at the key!
[13:03] <smoser> hallyn, ping
[13:04] <smoser> hallyn, i'd like your thoguhts on https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1051626 (i tried to summarise in comment 14)
[13:08] <gerbilcabbagehai> on my server is it safe to just type sudo reboot now?
[13:08] <gerbilcabbagehai> or are there some unmounting i need to do first?
[13:09] <hallyn> smoser: looking
[13:10] <Redoubt> gerbilcabbagehai: Should be safe
[13:12] <smoser> hallyn, i can set you up access to a recreate if you're interested
[13:12] <smoser> this does seem to me like "should work"
[13:15] <smoser> hallyn, random other somewhat related question, would you know how to make libvirt manage a network but not run dnsmasq on it at all ? ie, i dont want it to run a dns server *or*  a dchp server.
[13:15] <smoser> maybe jdstrand knows that
[13:18] <hallyn> smoser: i think you're supposed to be able to do that - not specify dhcp?
[13:19] <hallyn> yeah i think if you don't specify <dhcp> ... </dhcp> in the network.xml
[13:19] <smoser> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~smoser/maas/maas-pkg-test/view/head:/maas-ephemeral-test-quantal.txt
[13:19] <smoser> see line 32 there.
[13:19] <smoser> thats what i'm wrigint.
[13:19] <smoser> but it still runs a dnsmasq (and a DNS server)
[13:20] <smoser> s/wrigint/writing/
[13:23] <smoser> jibel, thank you for opening 1053239. fix just uploaded.
[13:24] <hallyn> smoser: near as i can tell that's a bug.  but what release is that?
[13:24] <smoser> that was precise pxelinux, but quantal everywhere else.
[13:24] <smoser> you would think bug in pxelinux, right?
[13:25] <smoser> or are you saying the dnsmasq is a bug
[13:25] <hallyn> dnsmasq
[13:25] <smoser> ah.
[13:25] <smoser> that was quantal.
[13:25] <smoser> i haven't tried anywhere else, but i can trivally test.
[13:26] <hallyn> smoser: hm, but the comment in code says:     /* start dnsmasq if there are any IP addresses (v4 or v6) */
[13:37] <hallyn> smoser: heh.  ok.  yeah, so i guess pxelinux bug for not picking its own ip addr on the interface from which the request came?
[13:40] <smoser> hallyn, well, yeah. thats what i thought.
[13:40] <hallyn> xkvm?
[13:40] <doko> zul, I assume there was a FFe for nova?
[13:41] <zul> doko: afaik there is a standing FFE for nova
[13:41] <doko> ahh, ok
[13:41] <hallyn> stgraber: all sorts of acks coming in on eric's most recent userns patchset to lkml.  \o/
[13:42] <stgraber> hallyn: yay!
[13:42] <stgraber> hallyn: so we might be getting something working for 3.7 then? or do we need even more patches than what he submitted?
[13:43] <smoser> hallyn, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvirt/+bug/1053408
[13:43] <jdstrand> smoser: remove the default network, or have it autostart
[13:44] <smoser> hallyn, xkvm is just some crappy thing i wrote.
[13:44] <jdstrand> smoser: rather, not have it autostart
[13:44] <smoser> http://smoser.brickies.net/git/?p=tildabin.git;a=blob;f=xkvm;h=18da66440b23ad1100e24c0e85d1357ad17d12eb;hb=HEAD
[13:44] <smoser> it just wraps kvm but does tap networking and teardown more easily.
[13:44] <jdstrand> smoser: actually, that is more than you want
[13:44] <jibel> smoser, yw. thanks for the fix.
[13:45] <smoser> jdstrand, i'm confused.
[13:45] <smoser> see bug. i was wanting to run my own dns (bind) on that network
[13:45] <jdstrand> smoser: you want a libvirt managed network with no dns or dhcp. what I suggested gets rid of the network (and by extension, dbs and dhcp), but that is too much
[13:46] <smoser> and my own dchp. i was just wanting to have libvirt create it so it would bring it up on startup and do the NAT stuff.
[13:46] <smoser> jdstrand, right. its nto the 'default' network that was a problem.
[13:46] <smoser> it runs one on my crafted network explicitly.
[13:47] <hallyn> smoser: of course, i fail to see how writing libvirt network xml is easier than just creating your own bridge by hand
[13:47] <smoser> its easy to create the bridge, yes.
[13:47] <ninjix> smoser: hah. I ran into the same dnsmasq/user problem with libvirt the other day
[13:47] <smoser> but then i have to:
[13:47] <smoser> a.) have it come up on boot
[13:47] <smoser> b.) do the NAT
[13:47] <jdstrand> smoser: so, people have often done this by using a bridged network, but that gets rid of nat. I've not done what you are requesting, but you can look at http://libvirt.org/formatnetwork.html
[13:47] <hallyn> trivial, see lxcbr0
[13:48] <smoser> so i have to write my own upstart job
[13:48] <hallyn> yup
[13:48] <hallyn> well no
[13:48] <hallyn> i've done it with /etc/network/interfaces before
[13:48] <smoser> you're suggesting that is easier and preferred over using an existing documented tested supported solution.
[13:48] <smoser> network/interfaces doesn't support NAT
[13:48] <smoser> that i know of
[13:48] <smoser> and that means i have to edit that file
[13:48] <hallyn> no, but it supprots running scripts after it come up
[13:49] <smoser> so anyway... i decided to use libvirt because it sure seems easier to me.
[13:49] <hallyn> and no, i'm not saying you should have to do that.  just saying you and i would have done it differently :)
[13:49] <hallyn> not excusing the libvirt bug
[13:49] <smoser> additionally, i actually *want* libvirt running.
[13:49] <smoser> as i'm going to use it to power on and off nodes
[13:50] <smoser> but i still think just the creation of the network and nat is more straight forward by declaring it and saying "bring that up on boot"
[13:50] <smoser> than writing upstart jobs and fiddling with /etc/network/
  that's all in your biased descriptions :)
[13:51] <hallyn> I say i'ts "just defining the bridge and its startup", you say it's "writing upstart jobs and fighting the minotaur'
[13:51] <smoser> hallyn, tell you what. you figure out how you can do the setup in that bug in a shorter bit of text for copy and pasting and easily checking for errors (set -e) and i'll take your solution.
[13:52] <hallyn> nah.  i've got other bugs i need to track down.  thanks for the offer :)
[13:52] <hallyn> like bug 1053408
[13:52] <smoser> :)
[13:52] <smoser> hallyn, thanks for your work.
[13:52] <smoser> so where should i go with my pxelinux ug?
[13:53] <smoser> it seems serious, and strange to exist dont you think?
[13:53] <pmatulis> hallyn: i punted your lxc branch back to you
[13:55] <hallyn> pmatulis: saw that - thanks, i'll take a look in deatil later today
[13:55] <hallyn> smoser: well it's isc-dhcp-server responsible, or what?
[13:55] <smoser> hallyn, i dont think so.
[13:55] <hallyn> doesn't it handle next-server?
[13:55] <smoser> why would you think isc-dhcp-server is responsible.
[13:55] <smoser> oh. sorry.
[13:56] <smoser> isc-dhcp-server is *told* to use that address by maas (which i consider a bug in maas)
[13:56] <smoser> and its easily fixable by telling it 'next-server' of the bridge.
[13:56] <smoser> but it should work anyway
[13:56] <smoser> and clearly pxeboot downloads the pxelinux.0 content from that tftp server, so it *can* get there.
[13:57] <hallyn> is there an option to tell it 'use whatever address belogns to the interface'?
[13:57] <smoser> probably not.
[13:57] <smoser> but that wouldn't be necessarily desireable anyway
[13:57] <hallyn> i dunno, if you tell isc-dhcp-server to use the other addr, i'm not sure asking it to second-guess is right
[13:58] <smoser> i very well might want to run a tftp server on a separate host (and network) from my dhcp server.
[13:58] <hallyn> of course
[13:58] <smoser> and thats essentially what i'm doing.
[13:58] <smoser> (when misconfigured)
[13:58] <hallyn> but you segragated networks are really nothing out of the ordinary
[13:58] <smoser> right.
[13:58] <hallyn> so there must be a standard way to handle this
[13:58] <smoser> i think it "should work"
[13:59] <hallyn> and you can't say "on eth0, use ip1, on eth1, use ip2" ?
[13:59] <smoser> i'm confused.
[13:59] <smoser> yes.
[13:59] <smoser> i can make this work
[13:59] <smoser> but i think it should work without that.
[14:00] <smoser> it seems to me that pxelinux is freaking out.
[14:00] <hallyn> when you say 'pxelinux' you mean tftpd-hpa?
[14:00] <smoser> no. i mean pxelinux.
[14:01] <hallyn> i'm lost in the stack
[14:01] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1051626/comments/7
[14:01] <smoser> look at that comment, hallyn
[14:02] <smoser> in the "working" case:
[14:02] <smoser>  a.) pxeboot gets an ip address, sees next server, downloads pxelinux.0
[14:02] <hallyn> yes i was looking at that comment
[14:02] <smoser>  b.) requests pxelinux.cfg/01-52-54-00-12-34-01
[14:02] <smoser> in the broken case:
[14:02] <smoser>  a.) same as above
[14:02] <smoser>  b.) requests pxelinux.cfg/00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000
[14:03] <smoser> why did it decide to do something different?
[14:03] <smoser> it clearly has access to the tftp server.
[14:03] <smoser> (it got the pxelinux.0 payload)
[14:03] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[14:03] <hallyn> is 01-52-54-00-12-34-01 the macaddr of the guest?
[14:04] <smoser> yes.
[14:05] <smoser> well, '01' is not part of the MAC, but that is part of pxe
[14:06] <rbasak> smoser: looks like a syslinux bug to me. Either that or a BIOS bug, but that seems less likely.
[14:06] <smoser> rbasak, i agree, but what i cant figure out is how such a bug would exist
[14:06] <smoser> as this seems not at all an uncommon setup
[14:07] <hallyn> smoser: set one up physically and see what it does
[14:07] <rbasak> smoser: can you check the exact number of zeroes in the request that it does make?
[14:07] <smoser> its the SYSUID
[14:07] <smoser> rbasak,
[14:08] <rbasak> yeah, but is it, or is it a corrupt pointer pointing to the middle of memory that holds the SYSUID?
[14:08] <smoser> right. thats also possible.
[14:08] <rbasak> eg. off-by-one going off the end of the IP address string and into the next one that happens to be the SYSUID
[14:09] <rbasak> hence I wanted you to count the zeroes :)
[14:10] <smoser> rbasak, 32 zeros
[14:11] <hallyn> rbasak: before he yells at you, quick, open https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1051626/comments/7
[14:11] <hallyn> jdstrand: i was trying to bisect the cause of that qemu bug, but i was thwarted by random segfaults at startup.  i HATE that
[14:13] <smoser> anyone know of a "diffpastebin" ?
[14:13] <smoser> http://www.diffchecker.com/diff http://www.textdiff.com/ http://www.comparemyfiles.com/
[14:13] <smoser> are some. the first is actually nice.
[14:13] <smoser> but i can't give a link.
[14:14] <smoser> oh wait. i can!
[14:14] <smoser> http://diffchecker.com/dasJyJ16
[14:14] <rbasak> smoser: how reproducible is it? Consistently?
[14:14] <rbasak> smoser: how about on a different VM?
[14:14] <smoser> always.
[14:15] <smoser> there are different vms ?
[14:15]  * rbasak finds this intriguing
[14:15] <smoser> i'm not going to try it in virtualbox if that is what you mean
[14:15] <smoser> :)
[14:15] <rbasak> I mean another one eg. with a different MAC
[14:15] <smoser> well, i can try different macs. i've tried same one then :01, :02, :03 ...
[14:15] <smoser> note, the mac that 'xkvm' chooses is actually the same one that kvm would choose if not provided.
[14:16] <smoser> it uses that range.
[14:17] <smoser> rbasak, the othere thing i really *should* try... before i got hallen and you dragged in is a newer pxelinux.0
[14:17] <smoser> or older
[14:17] <smoser> :)
[14:18] <rbasak> That's an idea :)
[14:18] <rbasak> I was going to ask you what version you were using
[14:18]  * rbasak is pulling the Source
[14:18] <smoser> its what comes down from maas-import-pxe
[14:18] <smoser> (which is precise)
[14:18] <rbasak> OK
[14:23] <hallyn> jdstrand: hm, looking at the fix for the CVE, (505597e4476a6bc219d0ec1362b760d71cb4fdca), it does look like it was undone in later changes!
[14:23] <hallyn> gotta run for a bit, bbl and will test that
[14:23] <jdstrand> hallyn: oh! well, thank goodness for QRT :)
[14:24] <jdstrand> hallyn: if you confirm it, let me know, it'll need to be addressed on oss-security (or upstream may announce it-- keep me posted)
[14:31] <undave> hi all, new to ubuntu servers and servers in general. have three ubuntu 12.04 servers running as file backup servers using ssh on a non-standard port. is there any "security" tools i need to be using, please?
[14:31] <Daviey> jamespage: we seem wedged, http://pb.daviey.com/nYx7/
[14:32] <Daviey>  (/job/precise_folsom_deploy/332/console)
[14:32] <rbasak> undave: make sure you install security updates promptly, and run regular backups. That's all I do.
[14:32] <lordievader> undave: I recommend reading this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=510812
[14:33] <undave> thanks to you both, i'll go read that now
[14:33] <rbasak> I disagree with some of that. "In general, do not write your passwords down, and if you must, keep them in a secure place (Do not put them on a sticky note attached to your monitor for example)." for example
[14:34] <Daviey> jamespage: odd, it became unwedged.. was that you?
[14:34] <jamespage> yep
[14:34] <Daviey> ah
[14:34] <rbasak> Bruce Schneier, who has just about the best security expert credentials possible: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/06/write_down_your.html
[14:35] <roaksoax> zul: do you have an example of a package that replaces a config file, and avoids the dpkg question?
[14:35] <zul> which dpkg question?
[14:36] <jamespage> Daviey, it all looks a bit crud to me
[14:36] <Daviey> jamespage: Yeah, but that is what we have to deal with :)
[14:36] <roaksoax> zul: when you upgrade, and the previous config file differs from the new one (due to user modifiying it). it asks whether you want to replace it, or not do anything, etc
[14:37] <zul> roaksoax: not off the top of my head samba might be one
[14:37] <zul> roaksoax: but i think you want to look at ucf
[14:37] <zul> the configuration management tool
[14:37] <zul> not the package :)
[14:37] <Daviey> jamespage: I assume you didn't mean create, read, update and delete ?
[14:37] <roaksoax> zul: cool thanks
[14:37] <undave> rbasak: yeah i disagree with that as well. odd that it'd be on a security thread.
[14:38] <rbasak> undave: I think the first rule of security is to be careful about who you take your advice from
[14:38] <roaksoax> zul: so yeah, I want to avoid ucf from asking questions
[14:39] <zul> roaksoax: ssh might be another one
[14:39] <roaksoax> cool thanks
[14:40] <jamespage> Daviey, its looking a bit better now
[14:41] <jamespage> I've done nothing....
[14:41] <jamespage> I really need to get adam_g to give me a 'catchup' on the CI stuff
[14:41] <jamespage> I've been lagging badly - and I want to plug in ceph at some point in time as well.
[14:43] <Daviey> jamespage: no, it's still poorly
[14:43] <Daviey> it's the damn chmod issue
[15:04] <WormDrink> hi
[15:05] <WormDrink> someone installed ubuntu desktop on a headless server here - I cleaned up most things thats not needed - like X, and networkmanager and dbus - but should I have acpid running ?
[15:06] <WormDrink> also - something is setting cpu cpufreq/scaling_governor scaling to ondemand
[15:06] <WormDrink> what is this and how do I stop it ?
[15:07] <ogra_> why would you want to stop it
[15:07] <WormDrink> cos I suspect it set cpufreq/scaling_governor to ondemand ...
[15:08] <WormDrink> and maybe did some other things which is highly innappropriate on a server
[15:08] <ogra_> yes, thats a default in every modern distro nowadays
[15:08]  * patdk-wk loves using cpu scaling on his servers
[15:08] <ogra_> its not inappropriate at all
[15:08] <patdk-wk> I defently don't want to be burning/heating at 130w's per cpu, all night long
[15:08] <ogra_> yeah
[15:09] <ogra_> or waste the energy it takes to keep it hot when idling
[15:09] <patdk-wk> if the server has to respond in realtime to something, sure
[15:09] <patdk-wk> but that normally isn't the case
[15:09] <ogra_> and that would likely require even deeper changes
[15:09] <ogra_> like a specially built kernel
[15:11] <WormDrink> ogra_, not in gentoo ;)
[15:11] <ogra_> heh, gentoo
[15:12] <WormDrink> patdk-lap, ogra_ - there is marked performance drops when using ondemand
[15:12] <ogra_> what are you serving ? stock data in a bank ?
[15:12] <WormDrink> building a project on my laptop takes 2x as long with ondemand
[15:12] <ogra_> then there is something wrong with your laptop
[15:12] <WormDrink> nope
[15:12] <WormDrink> you can do some tests yourself - there is something wrong with ondemand
[15:12] <ogra_> anyway, up to you, just disable ondemand, but never upgrade again
[15:13] <WormDrink> wow ubuntu is quality stuff
[15:13] <ogra_> (since the defaults will be restored on upgrades for tha, given it is utter nonsense and extremely energy wasting (and CPU killing) to use preformance)
[15:13] <patdk-wk> you could work on uninstalling, and keeping it removed and all that
[15:14] <patdk-wk> but it's so much easier to just disable it in the bios
[15:14] <ogra_> if your bios offers that, yeah
[15:14] <patdk-wk> I haven't seen one that doesn't
[15:15] <ogra_> and i doubt it would be fun uninstalling the initrscripts package or keeping it uninstalled (if you can even get rid of it without bricking)
[15:15] <patdk-wk> also odd
[15:15] <patdk-wk> none of my ubuntu server have any cpu scaling installed
[15:15] <patdk-wk> using normal instal
[15:15] <patdk-wk> but then, they are also all virtual machines
[15:16] <patdk-wk> so probably not used for them
[15:16] <ogra_> dpkg -l |grep initscripts
[15:16] <patdk-wk> orga_: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors
[15:17] <ogra_> what about it ?
[15:17] <patdk-wk> well, if it doesn't exist, oviously it can't be used :)
[15:18] <ogra_> ah, yeah, but thats a kernel thing
[15:18] <patdk-wk> and the kernel controls cpu scaling
[15:18] <ogra_> might be that the vm kernels have no scaling
[15:24] <ogra_> WormDrink, but since you know so much about governors, why dont you just add the runes needed to /etc/rc.local  to force performance
[15:25] <epinky>  Hello, I'm getting an odd message [ldap] bind to localhost:389 failed: Can't contact LDAP server, but in my /etc/freeradius/modules/ldap I have another IP(not localhost) configured.
[15:25] <ogra_> (its not like it is secret how to do that)
[15:25] <WormDrink> ogra_ I just did update-rc.d ondemand disable
[15:25] <WormDrink> seems to have worked
[15:25] <ogra_> until next upgrade
[15:26] <WormDrink> yes yes - next upgrade wont be gentoo ;)
[15:26] <ogra_> update-rc.d isnt for admin use
[15:26] <WormDrink> I mean will be gentoo
[15:26] <WormDrink> ubuntu isnt for use
[15:26] <ogra_> rather mv around the K links
[15:27] <ogra_> WormDrink, well, for people that know what they are do ubuntu is fine, for people wanting to turn ubuntu into gentoo its probably not
[15:27] <ogra_> *doing
[15:29] <WormDrink> ogra_, yeah - I'm just being nasty - but I have to say ubuntu always freaks me out
[15:30] <ogra_> WormDrink, i bet gentoo would freak me out the same ;)
[15:32] <ogra_> i lost my urge to compile the world somewhere in the early slackware days
[15:35] <RoyK> heh
[15:36] <smoser> rbasak, fyi, hardy through quantal pxelinux behave identically
[15:40] <rbasak> smoser: interesting. I wish I had time to dig into it!
[15:40] <rbasak> Just changing latest quantal maas-enlist, cloud-init and your ephemeral image generator now
[15:40] <rbasak> changing?
[15:40] <rbasak> testing
[16:05] <smoser> rbasak, how'd that go?
[16:06] <rbasak> smoser: still on it
[16:06] <rbasak> it takes ages for the generation thing to run. probably because of qemu
[16:13] <hallyn> jdstrand: actually i think this is different - the 1, function 3 has no_hotplug set an dis not being deleted.  it's 1, function 2 (which is the usb bridge) which is being unplugged, and causing the assert failure.
[16:31] <rbasak> smoser: it's got through to d-i now, so the ephemeral image must be good. Thanks! Looks like it's using the latest cloud-init and maas-enlist, and the only hack is the mountall from the PPA that I built for armhf by hand
[16:32] <rbasak> smoser: so the next step: can we get a precise ephemeral image with this fix?
[16:32] <smoser> rbasak, well.. yeah, thats a bit more of a PITA
[16:32] <smoser> as a lot of stuff has to go back.
[16:33] <smoser> slangasek was handling the moutnall fix, but he's out all this week on holiday
[16:34] <smoser> so i'm tempted at the moment to build quantal daily ephemeral images with that ppa as it is.
[16:34] <smoser> rbasak, how do i get arm ppa build?
[16:34] <smoser> if i do that, then i can build you dailies with the only non-archive thing being that ppa and the mountall.
[16:35] <jdstrand> hallyn: ah, so maybe a different issue. still 'just a bug' which we should try to get fixed before release. should adjust qrt then for now
[16:35] <zul> jamespage:  so i was thinking
[16:36] <hallyn> jdstrand: yeah, trying to ping mstsirkin on #qemu.  hopefully will get it resolved soon.
[16:52] <zul> smb:  ping
[16:53] <doko> zul, Daviey: nova pulls in python-babel (MIR missing), and there are other missing
[16:53] <smb> zul, hm?
[16:54] <zul> smb: so we are seeing a kernel bug on precise with lvm and dd
[16:54] <plars> jamespage: for the 1G space problem with ubuntu-server installs, any chance to look into it?  Collin is looking at the 128M install failure but commented that the OOMs installing with 256M+ were probably due to not having swap space (because I was manually partitioning to make everything fit)
[16:54] <smb> zul, gotta bug report?
[16:54] <zul> doko: like what?
[16:55] <zul> smb:  yeah https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1023755/
[16:55] <jgriffith> zul: Ping
[16:55] <zul> hey jgriffith
[16:55] <jgriffith> zul: Howdy
[16:55] <doko> zul, see http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg
[16:55] <zul> smb:  its actually jgriffith bug im just the conduit
[16:56] <jgriffith> smb: zul is just lucky that way :)
[16:56] <zul> doko:  ok ill fix it for the next upload
[16:57] <jgriffith> zul: Who should I talk to here?
[16:57] <zul> jgriffith:  smb
[16:57] <zul> smb: meet jgriffith
[16:58] <jgriffith> :)
[16:58] <jgriffith> smb: Are you familiar at all with this issue?
[16:58] <jgriffith> smb: Or would a recap be helpful?
[16:58] <smb> heh
[16:58] <smb> jgriffith, Well I am reading the report right now
[16:59] <jgriffith> smb: K... in  a nut shell
[16:59] <jgriffith> smb: Performing a dd if/dev/zero to an LVM device sometimes hangs
[16:59] <jgriffith> smb: In the case of an LVM snapshot device it almost always hangs
[16:59] <jgriffith> smb: Usually when this happens the entire system is locked up and I can't do anything
[17:00] <jgriffith> smb: I just so happen to have one now where the system is responsive, so I thought it might be useful to debug
[17:00] <smb> jgriffith, So you say you would sometimes see it on a plain lv, too, just not that often
[17:00] <jgriffith> smb: Initially I thought I would *never* see it on plain LVM
[17:00] <jgriffith> smb: But this morning it looks like that may have changed
[17:01] <xnox> jgriffith: deleting lvm volume does not zero it out.
[17:01] <jgriffith> smb: It's possible that this is slightly different, but it seems it must be related
[17:01] <jgriffith> xnox: correct
[17:01] <xnox> jgriffith: I use lvm volumes as hard-drives for libvirt-manager
[17:01] <jgriffith> xnox: We're sending a dd command before lvmremove
[17:01] <jgriffith> xnox: the dd command is what hangs
[17:02] <xnox> and boy I was surprised when *fresh* volume had old partitions "resurrected"
[17:02] <jgriffith> xnox: :)
[17:02] <smb> jgriffith, Hm, ok. So next question is a) is this a bare metal host or a vm and b) is the vg on local disks or something like iscsitarget
[17:02] <jgriffith> xnox: Thus the dd before we remove
[17:02] <xnox> I fixed bugs in debian-installer now to work around that =)
[17:02] <jgriffith> smb: This happens to be on a VM, I've reproduced on bare metal as well
[17:02] <xnox> jgriffith: I would set oflags=direct or whatever it is, to set directio
[17:02] <jgriffith> smb: It's a loopback device to a local file
[17:02] <jgriffith> xnox: done
[17:02] <xnox> because lvm device is not really a block device.
[17:02] <xnox> hmmmm
[17:03] <xnox> jgriffith: strace & file a bug report.
[17:03] <smb> xnox, Not true lvm lv's are block devices. not physical ones though
[17:04] <xnox> smb: ok. But I wish I new the i/o difference between lvm, md, SSD, spinny drives, scsi...
[17:05] <jgriffith> smb: http://paste.openstack.org/show/21027/
[17:05] <xnox> because kernel does handle it differently and mdadm had a lot of work on trim support and i/o optimisations....
[17:05] <patdk-wk> heh? trim in mdadm?
[17:05] <jgriffith> smb: and a portion of kern.log http://paste.openstack.org/show/21028/
[17:06] <patdk-wk> or do you mean trim support for device-mapper?
[17:06] <xnox> patdk-wk: i think the later but I'm not sure =) i'm just lurking on the linux-raid mailing list ;-)
[17:06] <jgriffith> smb: So I tried running apport, but got honked a bit
[17:06] <jgriffith> smb: Can try again if it would be helpful?
[17:07] <smb> jgriffith, not sure those io error look good... later its definitely waiting for some request to complete...
[17:07] <jgriffith> smb: Yeah, and I'm pretty sure it's the dd which hangs forever
[17:07] <jgriffith> smb: It's interesting because usually when I'd see this the entire kernel would hang and the system was useless
[17:08] <jgriffith> smb: This is the first time I've been able to do anything on the system when this happens
[17:08] <jgriffith> smb: I made the mistake of killing the dd commands that were in progress...
[17:08] <jgriffith> smb: They did in fact die, but lvm commands still hang
[17:09] <jgriffith> smb: So it seems that whatever it is that's going on it just throws LVM into a complete tizzy
[17:09] <smb> jgriffith, Ah well, so here the lvdisplay tries to read from one lv (meta-data) which hangs. Can be a result from the dd breaking the device rq
[17:10] <jgriffith> smb: makes sense
[17:10] <jgriffith> smb: So How the heck do I use this apport in console mode?
[17:10] <jgriffith> smb: I'm at the login/register screen
[17:11] <jgriffith> smb: I made the mistake of using vi commands... that was *no bueno*
[17:11] <smb> Hm, there was a way to write the info to file... though that might run just into the same problem of accessing the bad device
[17:15] <jgriffith> smb: Would it be helpful if I got you access to the system?
[17:16] <smb> jgriffith, Partially. Though I might just try to reproduce it
[17:16] <Daviey> smoser: Hey, on the next publisher run, ubuntu-cloud-keyring  should be NEW'd into precise-proposed.  Can you independently test it works ok?
[17:16] <jgriffith> smb: cool... you're call, just lemme know
[17:17] <smb> jgriffith, For that it would help to get a as detailed description of the setup in the bug report (if I did not miss it)
[17:17] <smb> Especially how the VG is constructed
[17:17] <smoser> Daviey, is there a bug ?
[17:17] <smoser> that i'd post comment on ?
[17:18] <Daviey> smoser: bug 1053452
[17:18] <jgriffith> smb: I can break things apart and document it, OR might be easier to download devstack and do it that way
[17:19] <jgriffith> smb: After that it's just simply cinder create 1, cinder snapshot-create <volume-uuid>, cinder snapshot-delete
[17:19] <jgriffith> smb: Up to you on what's best there
[17:22] <zul> jgriffith/smb: is there a way to see if its a bad device?
[17:22] <smb> jgriffith, Best to reduce the testcase to as basic things as possible. If I have to install and configure a load of things, I may get bored. ;) So I think the really interesting parts are what the device-mapper stack looks like. That loop mount on a file and make a pv of that kind of things
[17:23] <jgriffith> smb: Sounds reasonable, I'll disect and update the bug
[17:24] <jgriffith> smb: Is there any reason to keep this machine in it's current state hanging around?
[17:24] <jgriffith> zul: I don't know... but good question
[17:24] <smb> jgriffith, Don't think so. It sounds like not too hard to reproduce
[17:27] <smb> zul, jgriffith Hm, wonder if cat /sys/block/<dev>/inflight would be >0 and not going down...
[17:28] <zul> i can find out
[17:37] <zul> smb/jgriffith: ok maybe not easily
[17:38] <jgriffith> zul: :(
[17:39] <zul> jgriffith: devstack is taking forever
[17:39] <smb> zul, jgriffith Depending on ways to cause an unhandled NMI or sending sysrq triggers https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/CrashdumpRecipe may be helpful on gathering info. At least I would try that when reproducing tomorrow (as my today reaches its end)
[17:40] <zul> smb:  ok ill see what i can do
[17:41] <jgriffith> zul: smb Here's an psuedo script of what we do: http://paste.openstack.org/show/21029/
[17:41] <jgriffith> zul: smb Some things need filled in with the count  and size blah blah blah
[17:41] <jgriffith> zul: smb But this is the basic sequence at any rate
[17:42] <jgriffith> zul: smb One thing to note, it is more readily producible IF your volume size is 2 Gig or greater
[17:42] <jgriffith> zul: smb less than 2G it's a bit harder to hit
[17:42] <smb> jgriffith, Sure. Looks like something to work on. Will that go into the bug report?
[17:43] <jgriffith> zul: smb One thing this leaves out is the iscsi target creation but I don't think that should matter
[17:43] <zul> jgriffith: can you add the script to the bug report so we can document it
[17:43] <jgriffith> smb: Yes, I can add a link to the paste in the bug
[17:43] <smb> jgriffith, probably better do paste it as a comment. I do not trust paste links to remain...
[17:44] <smb> Hm so iscsitarget (of some kind) _is_ involved here
[17:45] <jgriffith> smb: Yes, on the create, we then create an iscsi target for the lvm device
[17:46] <jgriffith> smb: Suppose that could be related, but it seems I found soem bug reports on google about devmapper snapshot devs and dd kernel hangs
[17:48] <smb> jgriffith, Certainly could be some factor. It sounds more plausible to loose a request that way. I would certainly try a setup backed by a local disk first. Since that gets rid of complexity if it also shows the problem
[17:48] <zul> smb:  this is my /sys/block/dm-1/inflight when deleting the snapshot: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1217211/
[17:48] <jgriffith> smb: Yeah, and the thing is the iscsi target is deleted before this dd command is sent
[17:48] <smb> But if that does not and only the iscsitarget setup has it, then it may allow to get rid of device-mapper iin that
[17:49] <smb> jgriffith, o_O What is then backing the volume?
[17:49] <jgriffith> smb: ?
[17:50] <smb> zul, Definitely a lot of inflight
[17:50] <jgriffith> smb: The backing file is still present, we just no longer have it mapped ot an iscsi tgt
[17:50] <jgriffith> smb: Unless I'm mistaken on the sequence...
[17:51] <smb> jgriffith, If the setup is <lv>+<snapshot> --> <vg> --> <iscsitarget> then you could not remove iscsitarget and expect writes to anything of the vg to work.
[17:57] <jgriffith> smb: I believe it's <vg>---> <lv> ---> <iscsitarget> ---->snapshot
[17:57] <jgriffith> smb: No iscsi target is created for the snap BTW
[17:58] <jgriffith> smb: So the snapshot_delete is  <dd if=/dev/zero> ---> lvremove snapshot
[17:59] <smb> jgriffith, Ah ok, that makes more sense than what I was thinking. So the iscsi device is exported from the snapshot (iow top of the stack)
[17:59] <jgriffith> smb: yup
[17:59] <smoser> Daviey, it is still not there? (ubuntu-cloud-keyring) ?
[17:59] <jgriffith> smb: errr...
[17:59] <jgriffith> smb: Actually no, we don't do any iscsi target work with the snapshot at all
[18:00] <jgriffith> smb: we require you do a create from snapshot to go that way
[18:00] <jgriffith> smb: The snap is never exported... we would do a create from snap <lvm-snap> ---> <new lvm> ---> <export iscsi>
[18:02] <jgriffith> smb: Sorry.. have to run, catch up with you later, or tomorrow if you're around
[18:02] <adam_g> isn't the original LV that backs a snapshot required to exist and be ACTIVE?
[18:02] <smb> jgriffith, Probably mixing up the names. But I guess what is done is to export something via iscsi that is the part one can modify and then gets discarded after usage.
[18:03] <smb> jgriffith, Ok, yeah. I try to have tried looking into it by then
[18:09] <Redoubt> Can I preseed selections in the "install additional software" window?
[18:10] <Redoubt> I can obviously pkgsel/include whatever I want, but I would just like to preselect openssh server
[18:31] <njin> hallo, is /etc/init.d/networking restart deprecated ?
[18:32] <njin> if yes is right to passs sudo service networking restart ?
[18:33] <njin> or is sudo servoce networking stop
[18:33] <njin> sudo service networking start ?
[18:46] <RoyK> njin: both should work
[18:46] <njin> RoyK, thanks
[18:49] <RoyK> "service" something just runs the script
[18:50] <RoyK> no magick involced
[18:55] <jgriffith> smb: Still around?
[18:58] <escott> njin, service is preferred
[19:00] <njin> escott, thanks
[19:11] <pmatulis> hallyn: re lxc branch, does the validate script give errors for you?
[19:16] <hallyn> pmatulis: nope
[19:16] <hallyn> pmatulis: did you get that after a merge, or straight from my branch?
[19:17] <hallyn> pmatulis: sha1sum gives me 37b04b97fc82659d5d1d8fa9e7d79e3a604428f5  virtualization.xml
[19:19] <pmatulis> hallyn: strange.  i branched the latest trunk and merged your branch (started over fresh)
[19:20] <skaet> Woot!   way to go ubuntu-server team!   5 of the 5 bugs release noted with Beta 1 have been fixed for Beta 2.   :D
[19:21] <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview
[19:21] <highvoltage> Nice.
[19:22] <highvoltage> eek, beta2 is next week already!? it never ends! :p
[19:23] <pmatulis> hallyn: i actually got 10 times the error i posted in my review comment (pointing to different lines)
[19:30] <hallyn> pmatulis: can you pastebin the virtualazation.xml you have, or push to a tmp branch
[19:37] <pmatulis> hallyn: https://code.launchpad.net/~petermatulis/serverguide/temporary_branch_merge_123642
[19:46] <hallyn> pmatulis: ok thanks, that makes more sense - that at least is on a listitem :)  still don't see the problem, but looking...
[19:49] <epinky> could anyone give a hand with RADIUSproxy?
[19:53] <hallyn> pmatulis: so it's complaining that the <listitem> which immediately follows <itemizedlist> is not following itemizedlist.  Bug in the validator?
[19:54] <hallyn> oh or does it need a para
[19:56] <hallyn> that did it
[19:57] <hallyn> pmatulis: re-pushed.  or do you prefer i push a versoin based on your temp version?
[19:59] <pmatulis> hallyn: well, i don't understand why you didn't get the same errors
[20:00] <hallyn> pmatulis: i did once i ran the validator by hand.  i expected 'make serverguide-html' to run it
[20:00] <pmatulis> hallyn: ah, no
[20:00] <LazyTown> please help!  installed apache mpm_worker module and now my server isn't parsing php,  what did I miss?
[20:01] <pmatulis> hallyn: let me try again to get your stuff
[20:01] <sarnold> LazyTown: what error messages do you get in your logs?
[20:01] <hallyn> pmatulis: thanks
[20:03] <mcb_> Using Ubuntu 10.10, I made a disk image from a server to an external driver. Reinstaled grub in the external drive (chroot used), changed the UUIDs in /etc/fstab  and in /boot/grub/grub.cfg. I more then double checked this and they are all right. I use this same method with Debian 6 and works to perfection. In Ubuntu, Grub loads OK, but it hangs just after, with no erro message, just the blinking cursor in the left upper conner of the screen. I can
[20:05] <LazyTown> sarnold: I got the server to serve php again, which is a plus, but now I get a 500 and this is the error from my log: [Thu Sep 20 20:04:08 2012] [error] [client <IP_ADDRESS>] Request exceeded the limit of 10 internal redirects due to probable configuration error. Use 'LimitInternalRecursion' to increase the limit if necessary. Use 'LogLevel debug' to get a backtrace., referer: http://mysubdomain.mycompany.com/
[20:06] <sarnold> LazyTown: I wonder if that is from excessive (or broken) mod_rewrite ...
[20:06] <sarnold> LazyTown: does a simple phpinfo(); page load?
[20:06] <LazyTown> let me test
[20:07] <pmatulis> hallyn: validated, making html...
[20:07] <LazyTown> sarnold, no
[20:08] <sarnold> LazyTown: how about static pages?
[20:08] <LazyTown> sarnold: plus, when I browse to my home domain I get a 404: The requested URL /cgi-bin/php5/index.php was not found on this server.
[20:08] <LazyTown> and yes, I can get static pages to work
[20:15] <epinky> I want to proxy EAP-TTLS (PAP credentials) to some other server, what should I configure?
[20:15] <epinky> I'm using freeradius
[20:19] <mcb_> Using Ubuntu 10.10, I made a disk image from a server to an external driver. Reinstaled grub in the external drive (chroot used), changed the UUIDs in /etc/fstab  and in /boot/grub/grub.cfg. I more then double checked this and they are all right. I use this same method with Debian 6 and works to perfection. In Ubuntu, Grub loads OK, but it hangs just after, with no erro message, just the blinking cursor in the left upper conner of the screen. I can
[20:23] <sarnold> mcb_: you're cut off at "screen. I can"
[20:24] <mcb_> sarnold: Just after the Grub screen, all that i get is the blinking cursor in the left upper corner of the screen, nothing more happens...
[20:25] <sarnold> mcb_: does grub need to load USB, SCSI, or filesystem modules to find the kernel on the external drive?
[20:27] <Daviey> smoser: SpamapS didn't accept the binary :), now done.  Will NOW show on next publisher run
[20:27] <Daviey> SpamapS: Hope you didn't mind me accepting it.
[20:27] <mcb_>  sarnold:  No. No adicional module needed. And if it was an module issue i should expect a "Module not found" erro message...
[20:28] <mcb_>  sarnold: This lack of erro message, or anything is the worst part...
[20:29] <sarnold> mcb_: indeed. Even lilo would print L I L O after each successful portion of loading to give you some hint what was going no...
[20:31] <mcb_>  sarnold: You made me think. It does not show that GRUB is entering level2 or level 1.5. In Debian system it show a message. Does in Ubuntu grub show in each stage it is?
[20:32] <sarnold> mcb_:  good question, I pay remarkably little attention when things work well. :(
[20:33] <mcb_> sarnold: LOL, but does not help me.... :) I think i will make a virtual server and look in a clean install....
[20:34] <mcb_> sarnold: At least i will know if GRUB in ubuntu talks some more or less....
[21:04] <SpamapS> Daviey: don't mind at all no. ;)
[21:04] <SpamapS> Daviey: as I said, I'm not an AA, so I wouldn't know to accept binaries ;)
[21:05] <Daviey> heh
[21:06] <Daviey> OK.. So.  should fortunes-ubuntu-server be kicked out of the archive.
[21:06] <Daviey> It was a package i created, and not been updated since 2010
[21:06] <Daviey> (kicked out for Quantal)
[21:10] <SpamapS> Daviey: what does it contain? old quotes from mathiaz and dendrobates ? ;)
[21:19] <Daviey> SpamapS: Helpful tips i put together.. pretty crappy
[21:19] <Daviey> There is a bug that many of the URL's no longer exist
[21:20] <SpamapS> Daviey: well yeah if its not helpful just drop it. Perhaps put out a call to the users who like it to keep it up to date or risk it fading into memory.
[21:24] <NcA> Any reccommendations for a parallel ssh client on Ubuntu? I'm needing to run commands on 5+ boxes simultaneously
[21:29] <SpamapS> NcA: heh... parallel-ssh comes to mind ;)
[21:31] <NcA> I checked it out, to elaborate a bit further... I'm trying to run sudo commands, so something interactive is preferred, as I need to auth with ssh, then when commands run
[21:31] <NcA> pssh just takes args and goes
[21:31] <SpamapS> NcA: this sounds like a really bad idea...
[21:31] <NcA> uh oh...
[21:32] <SpamapS> NcA: sudo? authing ? you sure you want to do this?
[21:33] <NcA> SpamapS: I fail to see the issue? If I'm connected to multiple servers via SSH, passing a password via the encrypted stream...
[21:34] <SpamapS> NcA: this is sort of why configuration management was invented..
[21:34] <NcA> SpamapS: We're currently working on Puppet...
[21:34] <SpamapS> NcA: "tell me what you want, now what you want me to do"
[21:34] <SpamapS> s/now/not/
[21:34] <SpamapS> NcA: no better time than right now to roll it out :)
[21:35] <NcA> SpamapS: So, on Mac, iTerm has a feature which you can initiate ssh sessions to multiple remote hosts, and run commands interactively, and simultaneuosly
[21:36] <sarnold> NcA: how does it handle if the authentication fails on one of the five hosts?
[21:36] <sarnold> NcA: how does it handle if one of the five hosts has a full disk and drives itself off a cliff with stupid/silly/incomprehensible errors?
[21:38] <SpamapS> NcA: there are ways to do that with the terminals on Ubuntu as well...
[21:38] <SpamapS> NcA: I'm suggesting that this is a great time to start using tools made for this job, rather than abusing tools not made for this job. :)
[21:44] <hallyn> ahs3: hey, are you around?  i've been asked to build a libnl3 version of netcf for experimental, but i can't find libnl-3-dev and libnl-route-3-dev in exp archives...
[21:44] <hallyn> do you see them?  what am i missing?
[21:45] <ahs3> hallyn: hrm.  haven't looked.  libnl-3-dev or libnl3-dev libnl-dev would be what i'd search for, tho
[21:46] <ahs3> whups -- not libnl-3-dev; that's an unlikely name; are you sure they've been uploaded to experimental?
[21:49] <hallyn> ahs3: well, not absolutely.  they've been in ubuntu for quite some time
[21:50] <hallyn> searching for libnl just gives me 1 and 2
[21:50] <hallyn> cyphermox: ^ do you know?
[21:50] <NcA> sarnold: SpamapS: sorry, got dragged away into firewall land
[21:50] <ahs3> hallyn: nod; you may need to poke the maintainer to get a libnl3 uploaded/available
[21:51] <NcA> the servers I intend to use this on are identical members of a cluster (torquebox to be specific)
[21:51] <SpamapS> NcA: identical.. until you run these commands, and then one fails.. then you have 4 identical, and one special snowflake. ;)
[21:51] <cyphermox> hallyn: just a second
[21:52] <sarnold> SpamapS: "special snowflake" :)
[21:52] <cyphermox> ah, libnl-3-dev is indeed the right name
[21:52] <hallyn> hm, so maintainer would be Heiko
[21:52] <sarnold> NcA: if the machines are really intended to be part of a cluster, could you just get ssh keys that allow you to log in directly as the user account that needs to be authenticated?
[21:52] <sarnold> NcA: or configure sudo to allow passwordless access?
[21:53] <cyphermox> hallyn: mbiebl asked me about libnl3 in exp/debian/jessie this morning
[21:53] <cyphermox> it's not in experimental but 3.2.7-4 is in sid
[21:53] <hallyn> waitaminute
[21:53] <hallyn> d'oh
[21:54] <hallyn> my ami is on squeeze+exp, not sid+exp
[21:54] <hallyn> sorry!
[21:54] <cyphermox> yeah
[21:54] <cyphermox> alright, good that this is sorted ;)
[21:54] <hallyn> ahs3: mind if i poke you in a bit (or likely tomorrow) about uploading netcf 0.2.2-1 to experimental?
[21:55] <ahs3> hallyn: nope.  holler when ready
[21:55] <hallyn> ahs3: thanks!  good night
[21:55] <cyphermox> hallyn: oh, you're the netcf maintainer in Debian. now I understand
[21:55] <hallyn> cyphermox: yeah, but it looks like i need to write a reliable user-data file for setting up my test instances :)
[21:57] <hallyn> there.  that shouldn't be happening again.
[22:25] <hallyn> ahs3: i need to do some testing, but http://people.canonical.com/~serge/netcf022/netcf_0.2.2-1.dsc is what i'm basing off of
[22:25] <ahs3> hallyn: ack


[06:20] <LarsErikP> coreycb: Hi! any plans for getting this (nova 25.1.1) in UCA for Openstack Yoga? =)