[00:15] <kilogolfsix> is Koffice ready to replace OpenOffice???
[00:17] <andrewh192> aloha, I was wondering how I change the sound that happens after I login to my desktop
[00:21] <kilogolfsix> to change the sound go to  System Settings, System Notification Configuration, Event Source drop down menu,  KDE workspace.  adjust the login sound
[00:22] <apparle> can someone help me configure kremotecontrol or kdelirc
[00:33] <caiotiago> Hi all, I have an issue with powerdevil. It is not working perfectly for an user.
[00:33] <caiotiago> It will change the brightness, but won't change profile or suspend
[00:33] <caiotiago> If I create a new user it works for the new user, but copying the powerdevilrc and powerdevilprofilesrc won't help.
[00:34] <caiotiago> I've also deleted the .kde directory of this user, but powerdevil still doesn't work.
[00:34] <caiotiago> It won't work through the plasmoid, kcontrol or even using qdbus on the command line
[00:35] <caiotiago> but it raises no error
[00:35] <caiotiago> for instance:
[00:35] <caiotiago> qdbus org.kde.powerdevil /modules/powerdevil suspend 2
[00:35] <caiotiago> just return nothing, without raising an error
[00:36] <d_ed> caiotiago: you could try going straight to org.freedesktop.powermanager and hitting suspend.
[00:36] <caiotiago> let me try
[00:37] <d_ed> I'm half expecting to see "caiotiago has gone offline" right now..
[00:37] <caiotiago> it's another computer, ;)
[00:37] <d_ed> teehee ok
[00:37] <d_ed> the paths are: "org.freedesktop.PowerManagement","/org/freedesktop/PowerManagement", QDBusConnection::sessionBus()
[00:38] <d_ed> just so happened that I had them on screen at the time when I saw this on IRC>
[00:39] <caiotiago> didn't worked either
[00:39] <d_ed> and nothing in dmesg?
[00:42] <caiotiago> d_ed: the last thing on dmesg is "Skipping EDID probe due to cached edid"
[00:43] <caiotiago> the other messages are from the boot
[00:44] <caiotiago> I had installed lxde, xfce and openbox on that computer, and also there was an update to kde, so I don't know what broke it
[00:44] <caiotiago> I added the kubuntu-ppa and updated, but it didn't fix either
[00:59] <Patricia> hi
[00:59] <Patricia> updating kde 4.4 to 4.5 on kubuntu 10.04?
[01:03] <Patricia> hello help me
[01:12] <Patricia> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu  ????
[01:29] <djustice> Patricia: move to 10.10?
[01:29] <djustice> backports are always shifty.. usually just meant to pull some pkgs out of.. not to merge onto the system..
[01:30] <djustice> btw, respect loving ubunteers, give it to get it. now go respect the computer. and code something awesome.
[01:30] <djustice> kthxbai
[01:30]  * djustice flies away to chakra-land
[01:30] <Patricia> no kubuntu 10.10
[01:31] <Patricia> kde 4.4 too 4.5
[01:32] <Patricia> I only upgrade kde
[03:05] <cxo> valorie, hey are you valorie from new mexico tech?
[03:14] <mookak> ?
[03:25] <valorie> cxo: no, I live (and am from) Washington State, USA
[03:25] <valorie> haven't had the pleasure of visiting NM yet
[03:25] <cxo> yeah my bad, got confused with another, she works for Intel
[03:26] <cxo> Don't know why but I recognise your surname
[03:27] <valorie> haha, Zimmermans are a dime a dozen
[03:27] <valorie> people usually ask me if I'm related to Matt Zimmerman
[03:28] <valorie> so I introduced myself to him at the last UDS and asked if we were
[03:28] <valorie> lol -- really he and my husband
[03:28] <valorie> but he doesn't know where in Germany his Zimmermanns came from
[03:28] <cxo> well Bob Dylan is also Zimmerman
[03:28] <valorie> sure, and my husband is Robert Zimmerman also
[03:29] <valorie> born in Oregon rather than Minnesota, however
[03:29] <cxo> Ahh now I remember, http://zimmermannwear.com/
[03:30] <valorie> those are some nice suits
[03:33]  * cxo agrees
[04:05] <dockhorn> i'm trying to install digikam on my fresh kubuntu 10.04; can someone help me?  it seems to want to install 52 other packages...  that's not normal, is it?
[04:07] <dockhorn> anybody?
[04:15] <valorie> digikam isn't standard?
[04:15] <valorie> hmm, guess not
[04:16] <valorie> in 10.10, it's about 20 packages
[04:17] <valorie> including Konqueror, which is interesting
[05:21] <roinux> hola (hi there)
[05:22] <roinux> somebody?
[05:23]  * cxo shhhh if we stay still enough, he might go away
[05:24] <roinux> somebody know linux?
[05:39] <valorie> roinux | !ask
[05:39] <valorie> hmmm
[05:40] <valorie> !ask | roinux
[05:40]  * valorie goes to get pie
[05:40] <roinux> somebody?
[05:43] <roinux> who know about "programacion de puertos usb"
[05:44] <cxo> In English?
[05:45] <valorie> !es
[05:46] <valorie> unless that's Portuguese.....
[05:46] <roinux> programme port usb
[05:47] <valorie> who would know is the developer channels
[05:47] <valorie> if you are speaking of programming for USB ports
[05:47] <roinux> yeah
[05:48] <roinux> is there any channels about developer?
[05:48] <valorie> #kubuntu-devel might be best
[05:48] <valorie> if there is a better channel, they will know it
[05:49] <roinux> thanks
[05:49] <valorie> good luck!
[06:42] <Maka> greetings :) i am an ubuntu user, trying to install kde. I'd really like to try kubuntu, but I need help.
[06:43] <Maka> http://www.mynitor.com/2010/02/27/kubuntu-is-awesome/comment-page-1/#comment-551 is where i posted my problem (you'll see mine down at the bottom)
[06:43] <Maka> please someone help?
[06:44] <Maka> anyone? there's an awful lot of people here... :(
[06:45] <arg501> you can install kubuntu from the ubuntu software center
[06:46] <arg501> and then you have both, but you will see ubuntu programs in kubuntu and kubuntu in ubuntu, some people don't like that but I don't care personally
[06:47] <arg501> oh and when you search for it in the software center, make sure you click the "Show Technical items" at the bottom
[06:48] <arg501> and then KDE plasma desktop or whatever should be an option in there
[06:57] <valorie> Maka: you have broken packages?
[06:57] <valorie> is that your comment?
[06:57] <Maka> yes
[06:57] <valorie> did you try installing from the software center?
[06:57] <Maka> it's not installing because it says there are broken packages, but i have no idea how to fix that
[06:58] <Maka> yes from synaptec package manager
[06:58] <valorie> even in the software center?
[06:58] <valorie> ah
[06:58] <Maka> and also tried from command line
[06:58] <Maka> i used this command sudo apt-get install --install-recommends kubuntu-desktop
[06:58] <valorie> well, possibly you could try installing a few of those which "are not going to be installed'
[06:58] <valorie> by themselves
[06:59] <Maka> isnt that what the -install-recommends does?
[06:59] <valorie> hmmm, I didn't realize that open-office had a 'kde version"
[06:59] <Maka> Reading package lists... Done
[06:59] <Maka> Building dependency tree
[06:59] <Maka> Reading state information... Done
[06:59] <Maka> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[06:59] <Maka> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[06:59] <FloodBotK1> Maka: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:59] <FloodBotK2> Maka: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:59] <Maka> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[06:59] <valorie> yes, and it seems to be jamming up somewhere
[06:59] <valorie> hmmm
[07:00] <valorie> what version of ubuntu are you running?
[07:00] <valorie> FloodBotK1: stop being annoying
[07:03] <Maka> ok i tried to install one of them manually.. it gave me this: E: Unable to locate package language-selctor-qt
[07:03] <Maka> so does that mean its in a repository i dont have?
[07:03] <Maka> and how would i find out how to add it?
[07:03] <valorie> what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[07:03] <Maka> (please forgive my many questions, i'm pretty new to this)
[07:03] <Maka> 10.10
[07:04] <valorie> well, I had Ubuntu installed before, and tried to install Kubuntu-desktop, from 10.04
[07:04] <valorie> it didn't go well
[07:05] <valorie> so I don't know that I'm the best person to advise you
[07:05] <Maka> hmm... i may just try it in a virtualbox and see if it's really what i want to do anyway... if i like it.. perhaps i'll dual boot? but that's not really what i want... i wanted it inside the same linux.
[07:06] <Maka> so i could choose between which desktop i wanted at login
[07:06] <valorie> you don't have to dual boot
[07:06] <valorie> you can choose on login
[07:06] <Maka> that's what i'm trying to do
[07:06] <Maka> but i cant even get it to install
[07:07] <valorie> I'm wondering if there is a bug in Ubuntu which is causing this
[07:07] <valorie> however, many people successfully do what you are doing
[07:08] <valorie> are you using 32-bit, or 64?
[07:08] <valorie> I'm wondering if my botched bit was somehow getting them confused
[07:08] <valorie> if so, seems odd that it's still happening
[07:09] <valorie> language-selector-qt is certainly available
[07:09] <valorie> did you paste in that error message?
[07:10] <valorie> if so, did you misspell the packagename, or did apt?
[07:10] <Maka> i copy/pasted the name so i dont think it's misspelled
[07:10] <Maka> this machine is capable of 64 bit.. but i installed 32 bit
[07:11] <Maka> is there a way i could tell for sure which it has? 32 bit or 64 bit?
[07:12] <valorie> if you installed 32, it's 32
[07:12] <valorie> that name is certainly misspelled
[07:12] <Maka> ooh
[07:12] <Maka> lemme try again
[07:12] <valorie> please try apt-get install with the correct spelling
[07:13] <Maka> oh i see what i did. :\
[07:13] <valorie> what?
[07:13] <Maka> i get another broken package message *sigh*
[07:13] <Maka> this is getting frustrating
[07:13] <valorie> very weird
[07:14] <Maka> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:14] <Maka>  language-selector-qt : Depends: python-qt4 but it is not going to be installed
[07:14] <Maka> E: Broken packages
[07:14] <Maka> when i did sudo apt-get install --install-recommends language-selector-qt
[07:14] <Maka> isnt there a way to make it install these automatically ?
[07:14] <valorie> oh, I would just do sudo apt-get install language-selector-qt
[07:15] <valorie> maka, that is what should have happened
[07:15] <valorie> however, if you go through one by one
[07:15] <valorie> you can pinpoint the problem package
[07:15] <valorie> and perhaps we can do a work-around
[07:16] <valorie> perhaps you can try something else: sudo aptitude install --install-recommends kubuntu-desktop
[07:17] <valorie> if you don't have aptitude, sudo apt-get install aptitude
[07:35] <Guest83009> guys i just finished installing pc linux os on my pc i intended to dual boot it with ubuntu but i can no longer see the ubuntu entry in the grub menu how can i fix this
[07:36] <valorie> Ubuntu, or Kubuntu?
[07:36] <Guest83009> kubuntu
[07:36] <Guest83009> sorry about that
[07:36] <tsimpson|n800> !grub
[07:37] <tsimpson|n800> see the first link
[07:37] <Guest83009> alrite man thanks
[08:01] <Fref> hi
[08:02] <Fref> I humbly come to ask for help
[08:02] <Fref> I recently bought an Asus 1215 n
[08:02] <Fref> and tried to install Kubuntu 10.10 on it
[08:02] <Fref> from a usb stick
[08:02] <Fref> but the installer always crashes
[08:03] <Fref> after the disk is formatted
[08:03] <Fref> Unfortunately, right now, I have no logs
[08:03] <Fref> any kind of help is most welcome
[08:18] <urgen> I haven't tried any usb style
[08:26] <valorie> fref, perhaps you should try again with a different USB stick
[08:26] <valorie> some of them are just never going to be successful
[08:26] <valorie> flaws somewhere
[08:26] <Fref> thing is
[08:26] <Fref> I tried with the same stick
[08:27] <Fref> and installed ubuntu (not kubuntu) successfully
[08:27] <valorie> ok
[08:28] <valorie> well, I've successfully installed kubuntu from a usb stick
[08:28] <valorie> and of course from CDs
[08:29] <Fref> my issue with ubuntu is that it doesn' t show me the proprietary drivers for the wifi card when I boot from the installed partition although it shows them to me when I boot from the stick, which mean I can't get rid from gnome and install Kde on top of ubuntu
[08:29] <Fref> I'll try again with kubuntu from a different stick and post the logs if I can find them
[10:50] <doobd> hi people
[10:51] <doobd> i need some help on my broken kde in kubuntu, is there anyone who can help me please?
[10:51] <moetunes> depends on how it is broken...
[10:52] <doobd> hi moetunes thank you for reply
[10:52] <doobd> kde doesn't start automatically, it returns me to text mode console
[10:52] <moetunes> you should let the channel know what the issue is doobd :)
[10:53] <moetunes> k
[10:53] <doobd> a sec i'm writing
[10:54] <doobd> when i try startx, it shows the cyan-blue kde login background for a quick second, and then it goes in plain X with one messagebox only that says: "could not start kdeinit4 check your installation", and when i click ok it returns me to text mode
[10:54] <doobd> i think that it happend with the latest security fix update
[10:55] <moetunes> which kde version do you have?
[10:55] <doobd> when update was over, my fonts were kind of screwed up, then i tried starting GIMP and it would not start, nor the virtualbox, so i restarted and now i cannot even login to kde
[10:55] <doobd> i have kubuntu 10.04
[10:56] <moetunes> you haven't installed a later version of kde from a ppa or anything?
[10:56] <doobd> no
[10:57] <doobd> i haven't installed anything specific other than updates that it offered me
[10:57] <doobd> i tried  apt-get install --reinstall kubuntu-desktop but it didn't help
[10:57] <moetunes> seems strange then
[10:57] <doobd> yes :(
[10:58] <doobd> and i need to get it running so desperatly, so many things to do today and i'm stuck with a broken machine
[10:58] <doobd> is there anything i can try?
[10:58] <moetunes> tried   apt-get update && apt-get upgrade   ?
[10:58] <moetunes> or did that cause it?
[10:58] <magIRCien> PARAZITES
[10:59] <doobd> yes, tried that *after* the thing was broken
[10:59] <doobd> did not help
[10:59] <doobd> says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed...
[10:59] <moetunes> kubutnu-desktop is just a meta package - try to reinstall kde
[11:00] <doobd> like apt-get install --reinstall kde  ?
[11:00] <moetunes> yep
[11:00] <doobd> says package kde has n0 instalation candidate
[11:00] <doobd> what is the kde package name
[11:01] <moetunes> I dunno offhand - apt-cache search kde
[11:01] <doobd> that lists arround 1000 packages
[11:02] <doobd> as far as i understand, i see no errors in /etc/logs/Xorg.0.log
[11:03] <doobd> strange thing (to me) is that when i type startx a blue login kde screen comes up for a second
[11:04] <doobd> btw startkde says "$DISPLAY is not set or cannot connect to X server."
[11:04] <moetunes> something got borked along the line somehow - I think the package is kde-full
[11:04] <doobd> when i export DISPLAY=:0.0, same thing
[11:04] <moetunes> !kde-full
[11:04] <doobd> yes it is : ) i'll try
[11:05] <doobd> ok doing --reistnall kde-full... i'll see how that goes. thank you so far
[11:05] <moetunes> luck :)
[11:05] <doobd> tnx
[11:07] <Bu|sN3Ss^MaN> \join bohra
[11:07] <jussi> Hrm, anyone know a good latex wysiwyg editor?
[11:08] <jussi> moetunes: kubuntu-desktop is probably a better bet in that circumstance ;)
[11:08] <moetunes> jussi:  that did nothing for him/her - it was tried
[11:09] <jussi> moetunes: ahh, I didnt read that far back
[11:09] <moetunes> :)
[11:13] <doobd> moetunes: should this reinstall affect my settings (override them with default ones)? i have compiz, custom fonts... will that be overriden?
[11:13] <moetunes> doobd:  I shouldn't think so
[11:13] <doobd> custom compiled alsa ...
[11:14] <moetunes> it is not something I have had to do tho - but I have faith :)
[11:14] <moetunes> it should just replace the kde libs etc
[11:17] <doobd> btw, one question... what is the difference between kubuntu 10.04 and 10.10? will my 10.04 eventually get updated to 10.10, or what should i do to enable it? is it advised to do so?
[11:17] <doobd> i suppose i have to add some repositories?
[11:18] <moetunes> there should be an option in kpackagekit to let you upgrade
[11:18] <doobd> aha, okay
[11:21] <doobd> update finished, but same thing happens :((( startx displays same "Cold not start kdeinit4. Check your installation message" again
[11:21] <doobd> is there any other idea i could try
[11:22] <doobd> is there some log i should examine?
[11:22] <moetunes> the X log maybe -   less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:24] <doobd> there are no (EE) lines in the file
[11:25] <moetunes> is that the whole error? "Cold not start kdeinit4. Check your installation message" ?
[11:25] <doobd> yes
[11:26] <doobd> can you take a look at my Xorg.0.log? i uploaded it to http://doobd.com/kdeerror/
[11:26] <moetunes> k
[11:27] <moetunes> can you use a pastebin? - I don't want to download it
[11:27] <moetunes> !paste
[11:27] <jussi> doobd: if you like, you can try running: sudo nvidia-xconfig
[11:28] <jussi> that will reconfig your nivida card
[11:31] <doobd> pastebin is unresponsive to me... i uploaded the same file with txt extension so you can open it in your browser http://doobd.com/kdeerror/Xorg.0.log.txt
[11:32] <doobd> btw nvidia-xconfig did not help.... it created new xorg.conf but the same thing happens
[11:33] <jussi> here is a pastebin if you prefer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/532281/
[11:33] <doobd> jussi thank you
[11:33] <jussi> doobd: Im not sure then - bit frustrating Im sure
[11:33] <doobd> is there any other log thay you might find usefull to help me?
[11:34] <moetunes> that's a pretty short X log but it seems fine
[11:35] <doobd> yes, i see no errors there too
[11:35] <moetunes> maybe time to ask in #kde what that error means
[11:37] <fmerges> hi
[11:37] <fmerges> im getting this: python: /build/buildd/sip4-qt3-4.10.5/siplib/siplib.c:2600: sip_api_parse_result: Assertion `assign_helper != ((void *)0)' failed.  After updating from 10.4 to 10.10 any idea?
[11:40] <moetunes> doobd:  from here - https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=836055 - it seems the first line  in /usr/bin/startkde needs to be broken into 2 lines after   true
[11:41] <doobd> moetunes: THANK YOU that was the thing
[11:42] <doobd> how the hell did that happen
[11:42] <moetunes> dunno :)
[11:43] <doobd> funny thing is that i googled and found the link tyou pasted, but i havent carefully examined the startkde file so i couldn't find that line
[11:43] <doobd> but it was there
[11:44] <doobd> now few other things in kde are broken, but at leat i have the graphic interface
[11:44] <doobd> thank you once again for the support
[11:44] <moetunes> np :)
[11:53] <doobd> moetunes: can i ask one more question... now kde works on statkde (although some things are missing, like my emerald window decorations) but it doesn't start automatically, on reboot i have to log in to text mode and startx manually... how to fix that... btw kdm is running
[11:53] <doobd> sorry i ment to say "kde works on startx"
[11:55] <moetunes> doobd:  is there an entry for kde in the sessions on kdm?
[11:55] <doobd> hmm... i dunno, where should i look?
[11:58] <moetunes> there's a session button isn't there?
[11:59] <doobd> button? where? when i type startx ist starts kde without login prompt since i'm logged in text console
[12:00] <moetunes> I thought you were using kdm...
[12:02] <moetunes> you can put a line in .bash_profile like   [ `tty` = "/dev/tty1" ] && startx
[12:04] <doobd> ok thanks... i'll try... btw it seems now that i have some cairo related issues because emerald & firefox won't start with libcairo.so.2: and libxul.so: Undefined symbol FT_Library_SetLcdFilter
[12:04] <moetunes> doobd:  if kdm is running why do you have to login to text mode on reboot? - "btw kdm is running" does kdm not let you login?
[12:05] <doobd> i mean the service is runiing, but it still fails me back to textmode on reboot, but i can start kde with startx
[12:05] <moetunes> that shouldn't be happening
[12:06] <doobd> i know
[12:06] <doobd> that's why i'm here : )
[12:06] <moetunes> heh
[12:07] <moetunes> was it always like that or is this new - the kdm thing?
[12:08] <doobd> i used to boot directly into kde graphic login screen
[12:08] <doobd> suppose that;s kdm?
[12:09] <moetunes> yep
[12:14] <moetunes> doobd:  seems reinstalling libXft is a solution for the emerald/firefox issue
[12:15] <doobd> tnx i'll try
[12:18] <moetunes> something has gone seriously wrong with your update - corrupted download or bad writes to disk or something
[12:20] <doobd> hm yes it seems so... btw updating libxft2 did not help on libcairo (emerald & ffox) problem
[12:20] <doobd> how can i check my hard disk?
[12:20] <moetunes> hdparm is good for that
[12:21] <moetunes> !info hdparm
[12:21] <doobd> yes i have it... so many options, any advice on what shoud i run?
[12:21] <moetunes> I like the Archwiki - https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Hdparm
[12:22] <stuart__> can anyone recommend a wireless network adaptor that will work out of the box with Ubuntu 10.04 ?
[12:23] <doobd> hm... no diskcheck options on the link you  posted
[12:23] <moetunes> no - there was a better wiki entry that I can't find atm
[12:23] <moetunes> !info smartmontools
[12:25] <moetunes> stuart__:  try here - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[12:26] <stuart__> thanks moetunes
[12:27] <moetunes> stuart__:  keep it in the channel pls - no need for a pm
[12:27] <moetunes> np :)
[12:29] <doobd> smartctl -a /dev/sdb reports no errors on my hd
[12:30] <doobd> says Overal-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
[12:30] <doobd> how can i check the ext4 fs
[12:47] <doobd> moetunes: sorry for being boring... it seems that i have some libfreetype (version?) error... i tried reinstalling libfreetype6 with apt-get --reistall but it doesn't help. when i try to remove it it asks me to remove bunch of my gui programs, i don't want to do that. any suggestions?
[12:48] <moetunes> doobd:  apart from the reinstall trick none come to mind - I'll have a google
[12:48] <doobd> thank you
[12:49] <doobd> if that would hep, firefox and emerald are both reporting "symbol lookup error: /ust/lib/libcairo.so.2: undefined symbol: FT_Library_SetLcdFilter" and emerald
[12:50] <moetunes> undefined symbol error is it doobd ?
[12:50] <doobd> yes
[12:53] <moetunes> so reinstalling libXft didn't fix the undefined symbol: FT_Library_SetLcdFilter error? - and what is the libfreetype error?
[12:55] <roinux> hey somebody know if http://www.getdeb.net/updates/ubuntu/10.10/ is broke?
[12:55] <roinux> i can't download
[12:56] <roinux> or somebody know some web or download sotware ubuntu
[12:56] <doobd> btw... i had a custom (m$ pixel) fonts installed (following http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=208396) maybe that has something to do with it
[12:56] <moetunes> doobd:  it should be an issue now if it was working before
[12:57] <doobd> yes
[12:57] <doobd> but that's the first thing i noticed after the security fix upgrade... my fonts somhow became smaller and uglier
[12:59] <moetunes> not having much luck with google - apart from a "/usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1: undefined symbol: FT_Select_Size" I can't find much that is useful
[12:59] <doobd> yes me too, googled it
[13:00] <moetunes> what was the font error?
[13:01] <doobd> there was no error, but the fonts of newly opened windows looked smaller
[13:01] <roinux> :O
[13:01] <roinux> i delete my panel ( where are my progrms)
[13:02] <roinux> how i recovery?
[13:02] <roinux> how can i recovery it?
[13:02] <moetunes> !panels
[13:02] <moetunes> ignore that
[13:08] <g4> Hi guys-I'm looking for someone here who works with programs like Bricscad, Solid Edge, Splan etc.
[13:10] <doobd> moetunes: this is /var/log/apt/history.log entry of the update that might have screwed the things up http://paste.ubuntu.com/532327/ - after that i noticed wierd fonts and some apps wouldn't start
[13:10] <doobd> it's mostly apache
[13:10] <moetunes> k
[13:10] <doobd> sorry mysql, i wanted to say
[13:11] <doobd> i even tried to downgrade libjpeg to prev version but it didn't help....
[13:14] <moetunes> I would think libxml2 could be the issue out of what you upgraded there
[13:15] <doobd> what would you suggest me to do?
[13:17] <doobd> i didn't manage to figure out how to downgrade it to previous ver (before update) because i don't get what is the version number from that file... it says 6b-14 only but apt-get install libxml2=6b-14 doesn't work (says no that version)
[13:17] <doobd> anyway i suppose that downgrade isn't realy a solution
[13:17] <doobd> i just wanted to return it to previous working state
[13:19] <moetunes> the version you have is a necessary fix - http://lwn.net/Articles/414953/
[13:20] <moetunes> try the reinstall trick for it maybe
[13:31] <roinux> hey
[13:31] <roinux> somebody know
[13:31] <roinux> that message
[13:34] <roinux> "No se pudo obtener el bloqueo de escritura en la caché, se recurrirá al modo de sólo lectura. No podrá instalar, eliminar o actualizar los paquetes. Sin embargo, podrá buscar en la base de datos de paquetes y navegar por ellos."
[13:34] <roinux> somebody know?
[13:37] <Benkinooby> es! roinux,
[13:37] <Benkinooby> roinux, hm, maybe you try the spanish kubunut channel
[13:38] <roinux> channel es...what's that'?
[13:38] <moetunes> !es
[13:38] <roinux> i'm new in ubuntu
[13:38] <roinux> thanks
[13:38] <roinux> hey alguien sabe acerca de este mensaje
[13:38] <roinux> "No se pudo obtener el bloqueo de escritura en la caché, se recurrirá al modo de sólo lectura. No podrá instalar, eliminar o actualizar los paquetes. Sin embargo, podrá buscar en la base de datos de paquetes y navegar por ellos."
[13:38] <roinux> wrong channel
[13:39] <baku_> ?
[13:39] <moetunes> heh
[13:39] <cduffin> Say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?
[13:42] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[14:10] <doobd> moetunes: still no progress on my FT_Library_SetLcdFilter problem... any ideas? sorry to bug but i don't know who to ask
[14:12] <BluesKaj> very interesting , if I use aptitude safe-upgrade , a new linux image is about to be installed, however if I use apt-get upgrade , the linux-image is held back ,... any explanation for the difference ?
[14:13] <BluesKaj> anyway here goes , mew image installed..rebooting
[14:24] <BluesKaj> success, aptitude installed the new kernel , whereas apt was holding it back
[15:09] <jmho> hi, how to setup a pppoe internet connection using alternate install cd?
[15:09] <jmho> the plasma widget does not seem to work
[15:35] <BluesKaj> jmho, perhaps the /etc/network/interface settings will work better than network manager , it's what i use . http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[15:41] <jmho> BluesKaj: will give it a try, thanks
[15:42] <jado> hello, i'm on kubuntu 10.10; why when i put the cursor on knetworkmanager i get "unmanaged"?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> jmho, this might also interest you : http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html
[15:46] <jado> i've also  got this error when trying to update/upgrade
[15:46] <jado> http://pastebin.ca/1992260
[15:48] <BluesKaj> jado, in the  terminal, sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[15:52] <jado> BluesKaj: it doesn't work, i've also tried rm /var/log/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.state
[15:52] <BluesKaj> jado, remove/disable the offending deb in the repos in your package manager or backup your /etc/apt/sources.list to renamed text file and delete the text in the original, then try this :http://techie-buzz.com/foss/generate-a-sources-list-with-the-ubuntu-sources-list-generator.html
[15:52] <jado> sorry got disconnected
[15:52] <jado> is there anything else to try?
[15:54] <BluesKaj> jado, don't remove /var/log/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.state , just  make sure all settings =true
[15:55] <BluesKaj> jado, remove/disable the offending deb in the repos in your package manager or backup your /etc/apt/sources.list to renamed text file and delete the text in the original, then try this :http://techie-buzz.com/foss/generate-a-sources-list-with-the-ubuntu-sources-list-generator.html
[15:56] <jado> actually i don't a have a NetworkManager folder anymore in /var/log :/
[15:57] <BluesKaj> jado, are you on an ethernet connection ?
[15:57] <jado> yes
[15:58] <BluesKaj> jado,, perhaps the /etc/network/interface settings will work better than network manager , it's what i use . http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[15:59] <jado> i want to use a manager for wifi purposes
[15:59] <jado> maybe i'll just go with wicd?
[15:59] <BluesKaj> jado, also http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-ubuntu-linux-convert-dhcp-network-configuration-to-static-ip-configuration.html
[16:00] <BluesKaj> wicd is ok , bur why bother with another level when /etc/network/interfaces works so well and it's much faster
[16:01] <jado> i've never tried to connect by wifi with the konsole
[16:01] <jado> i also need to make adhoc networks
[16:01] <jado> that's why i want a gui
[16:02] <BluesKaj> jado, I asked if you were using ethernet, but your'e on wifi
[16:02] <BluesKaj> try wicd then
[16:03] <jado> i meant i'm on ethernet right now but  i will need wifi in the future
[16:07] <Scunizi> Arg.. every time I boot Amarok starts playing the last thing in que even if *there is nothing in the play list*.  How do I fix that? 10.04LTS version.
[16:09] <ubuntu> hello
[16:09] <BluesKaj> jado, firstly you need to create a text file in /var/log/ and name it NetworkManager/NetworkManager.state , then copy these lines to it.  http://paste.ubuntu.com/532413/
[16:11] <BluesKaj> Scunizi, check play options
[16:21] <Scunizi> BluesKaj: thanks I removed the checkmark on "Resume Playback on Start".  But why would it play anything at all with nothing in the playlist?  You'd figure once the list is cleared it would be silent.
[16:26] <BluesKaj> Scunizi, agreed , but I'm not sure why ..amarok is still kind of clunky IMO
[16:27] <Scunizi> BluesKaj: yea.. but for what I do it works fine.
[16:29] <BluesKaj> Scunizi, I hate to admit it but for once windows got it right on W7 with wmp
[16:31] <GeForce88> having trouble getting kde desktop to install on ubuntu 10.10
[16:31] <GeForce88> http://pastebin.ca/1992322
[16:31] <Scunizi> BluesKaj: I haven't experienced it.. still running ME here :)  .. no really.  Xp on all the desktops in the house (except mine). and ubuntu on the lappies.
[16:33] <BluesKaj> GeForce88, how did you install 10.10 ?
[16:33] <GeForce88> alternate install cd
[16:33] <GeForce88> not the gui version
[16:35] <BluesKaj> yes I'm familair with the alternate install version , but i never had probs with kubuntu desktop installing unless you installed ubuntu instead of kubuntu
[16:36] <GeForce88> i did install ubuntu 10.10 with gnome
[16:36] <GeForce88> like i always do
[16:36] <GeForce88> then i install kde
[16:36] <GeForce88> so i can swap back and forth
[16:37] <BluesKaj>  I do just the opposite , I install kubuntu then I add ubuntu-desktop afterwards
[16:41] <BluesKaj> GeForce88, could be something to do with kde 4.5 , maybe the kde ppas are in order:  sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports && sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa
[16:41] <BluesKaj> then sudo aptitude update
[16:43] <GeForce88> ok
[16:43] <GeForce88> we'll try that
[16:44] <GeForce88> ...
[16:44] <GeForce88> same issues
[16:46] <GeForce88> mad dependancy isses
[16:47] <GeForce88> thanks for trying, off to work now.
[16:52] <napier> hi ,Is there a way to set the default browser using console?
[16:53] <napier> i have problems with winebrowser and amsn in kubuntu 10.10
[16:58] <napier> hello, is there any way to set the default browser using console?   My 8.04 kubuntu crashed!!!   OMG!  I was deleting some files with movies... and may be I deleted some critical file..... so when I puted my LOGIN and PASSWORD I returned back .... next time I put pass..... an It was infintly!  I put password ... system show me black screen... and show login form again!!!
[18:08] <rapidsp> your movies was been at /usr ? :)
[18:19] <russia_bear> rapidsp  my movies was on /host/    and on /home/user/my_name/
[18:20] <russia_bear> rapidsp    my windows xp  carashed too.... !!!    NOW I recover XP and KUB_8.04
[18:21] <rapidsp> i think your hdd is corrupted
[18:21] <g4> Hi  all
[18:21] <russia_bear> good hing that I have conol access to my desctop... and I copy all my files before reinstalling kubuntu
[18:22] <russia_bear> rapidsp  NO!   my XP works unstable... and show many error messages .... "access denied ..."  on second click all is good .... XP is crazy
[18:24] <russia_bear> I want to install more new version but that one has no installer ubder wibndows!!! just installer does not work
[18:25] <russia_bear> NOW I SEE that Kubuntu 10.10 can be located on CD DISK!!! 700MB!!  IS IT complete version of distribitive???? or it is small version?
[18:26] <russia_bear> thunderbird
[18:26] <ikonia> russia_bear: it's a live/install enviornment
[18:27] <ikonia> russia_bear: it's heavey compression and needs to be run from ram, so slow
[18:28] <russia_bear> ikonia  so what?  I need get DVD version?  If I want to install kubuntu 10.10
[18:29] <rapidsp> russia_bear: you need internet
[18:29] <DiogenesW> gute nacht
[18:29] <russia_bear> rapidsp I have internet
[18:30] <russia_bear> direct connection
[18:31] <ikonia> russia_bear: no, the CD is fine for install
[18:31] <russia_bear> ok
[18:31] <rapidsp> CD is enoght to install kubuntu
[18:31] <russia_bear> but under XP installator does not work
[18:32] <rapidsp> you may install all additions from inet later
[18:32] <ikonia> russia_bear: you boot from the CD to install it
[18:32] <russia_bear> I want to have both XP and Kub10
[18:32] <rapidsp> russia_bear: grub resolve all
[18:32] <rapidsp> may be :)
[18:41] <BluesKaj> russia_bear, make sure the cdom drive is first in your BIOS boot sequence
[18:42] <russia_bear> BluesKaj  yes... children are know that
[18:45] <howlymowly> hi poeple.. short question:  i created a guest-account on my computer..  now I would like to know whether it is possible to switch to a  certain user, using the commandline in a running KDE session?  this way I could add a simple one-click-button on the desktop to start a guest session...
[18:47] <BluesKaj> russia_bear, maybe #kubuntu-ru is a better chatroom for your needs
[18:48] <russia_bear> BluesKaj  yes man.... now I am there
[18:58] <progre55> hi guys. anyone had a problem connecting to icq from kopete? it says password incorrect, although I'm sure it is.
[19:13] <lieuwe> hey, is it possible to echo a block character in console, and if so, how?
[19:53] <pabloz> hi, is there any easy way in bash to get all the files in the current directory but a specific one? like "ls *" would get ALL files, I need all but, say, "trunk"
[19:53] <pabloz> files or directories, of course...
[19:54] <alvin> pabloz: ls | grep -v trunk
[19:55] <pabloz> hi alvin, thanks for your answer. If I need to send it to svn i need to use svn $(ls | grep -v trunk) ?
[19:56] <pabloz> yes (don't ask me why I did't try before asking... I'm burned)
[19:56] <alvin> pabloz: No idea about that. I don't have svn. It might work.
[19:58] <Pici> I'd use find if you're going to use the output of the command as an argument for another one.
[19:58] <pabloz> actually I needed to move those files inside trunk (which was a sibling) so what I did was $ mv $(ls | grep -v trunk) trunk
[19:59] <Pici> That will work unless you have a file with spaces, then it breaks.
[19:59] <pabloz> ah
[19:59] <pabloz> thanks Pici
[19:59] <pabloz> (worked in my case)
[20:42] <russia_bear> АЛООО
[20:44] <russia_bear> АЛООО
[20:44] <russia_bear> мудаки
[20:45] <Pici> !ru
[20:55] <ubuntu> hi all. I have just installed Windows XP after having kubuntu 10.10, and now my MBR is deleted and i can only login to windows. I am on a live CD now. How do i safely restore mbr (install grub?)
[21:01] <alvin> ubuntu: !grub
[21:01] <alvin> !grub
[21:01] <alvin> Hmm, tiem to switch to grub beta then
[21:01] <alvin> !grub2
[21:02] <ubuntu> alvin: so its grub2?
[21:02] <alvin> ubuntu: Yes, it is.
[21:02] <ubuntu> alvin:  thank you!
[21:06] <ubuntu> alvin: last time i did grub-install, when i restarted it only went to grub command promt on startup, and i had to do ubuntu reinstall... will this happen again?
[21:09] <ubuntu> alvin: ok, i have reinstalled, rebooting now. wish me luck
[21:13] <alvin> ubuntu: I can't promise anything
[21:17] <olskolirc> whats the robot name here?
[21:18] <russia_bear> hi
[21:18] <olskolirc> ok i see its ubottu here too
[21:18] <olskolirc> hi russia_bear
[21:18] <russia_bear> hi olskolirc  how are you?
[21:22] <olskolirc> very well russia_bear thanks how about yourself
[21:22] <russia_bear> olskolirc  I am fine
[21:35] <russia_bear> sdfgsdg
[21:36] <assholder> hi
[21:39] <majik_> when you very first start kubuntu the screen has the desktop folder and one other...what is the other ?
[21:39] <BluesKaj> trash
[21:43] <Jason_In_Colorad> hello fellow kde users, i am having some troubles wire my wireless, it doesn't seem to want to keep its connection when the computer goes into screen savor mode
[21:43] <Jason_In_Colorad> with*
[21:44] <Jason_In_Colorad> this is only happening with 10.10
[21:44] <Jason_In_Colorad> any thoughts
[21:54] <moetunes> you could turn off the screensaver or use wicd to manage the network
[21:58] <howlymowly> hi poeple.. is anyone here using kopete together with ICQ? i have a question, because for some reason since today, kopete tells me my password was wrong.. but using other messenger apps I don#t have any problems...
[22:37] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> hello i can't retrieve offline messages from my contacts in msn protocol, to get them i have to use windows live msn on windows.  any help?
[22:38] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> using kopete 1.0.80 and kde 4.5.2
[22:42] <lonewulf> Hi all i need some help with my WiFi. It will not show anything for wireless.
[22:43] <lonewulf> My network does not give me the option to enable wireless.
[22:43] <moetunes> is the card rcognised?
[22:44] <lonewulf> I am not sure i forgot the command to check.
[22:45] <moetunes> if it is a pci card   lspci | grep -i net
[22:46] <lonewulf> I tryed lspci and got Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
[22:46] <moetunes> that'll be it then
[22:46] <lonewulf> Yeah and the card works grate in windows. But i prefure Kubuntu.
[22:46] <moetunes> tried what this link suggests?
[22:46] <moetunes> !wifi
[22:49] <lonewulf> It said it could not find a package one sec..
[23:09] <lonewulf> is that ndiswrapper windows wireless drivers?
[23:11] <moetunes> yep you use ndiswrapper to use the windows driver
[23:11] <lonewulf> Ok i cant find it maybe i need to restart.
[23:11] <moetunes> it is   ndiswrapper -i /path/to/file.inf
[23:12] <moetunes> ndiwrapper might not be installed
[23:33] <aicram> Hello. I just installed kxstudio and I cannot figure out how to stop the display from suspending. I have gone to settings and the power manager however nothing I do changes anything. I believe this will be similar to kubuntu methods. I have already tried kxstudio irc, no one responded. Thank you.
[23:34] <aicram> This is a quad core desktop not a laptop. Thank you.
[23:35] <moetunes> it might the graphics dpms option - check the X log to see if it is enbled
[23:35] <Toast> I tried to enable groupware support in kontact, but now kontact is constantly crashing and I can't start kmail. Is there a config file I can hand edit or delete?
[23:36] <aicram> moetunes: I will look at that, thank you.


[04:32] <IbnSaeed> is it proper method of learning iptables, via setting up MAAS in ubuntu 14 server inside a VM ?
[08:08] <Pupeno> What' the appropriate way of mounting volumes that require net access in Ubuntu and thus, cannot be automatically mounted at boot time?
[09:23] <jamespage> coreycb, zul: all uploaded apart from keystone (still running unit tests) and nova (pending zul actions)
[10:16] <med_> jamespage, is there an SRU bug (or something similar) for OpenStack 2014.1.1 ? And is that going into Trusty proper or will the UCA be created for it?
[10:17] <jamespage> med_, bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nova/+bug/1328134
[10:17] <jamespage> med_, no UCA for trusty - this goes in as an SRU
[10:17] <jamespage> med_, just pending the last few uploads today and we'll get it acked into -proposed
[10:18] <med_> nod
[10:18] <med_> I misread the tail of that bug, looked like everything was marked invalid
[10:19] <med_> and thanks james. Much appreciated.
[10:19] <med_> and thanks zul (didn't think you'd be on yet)
[10:32] <caribou> jamespage: would you eventually have time to review http://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1313602
[10:33] <caribou> jamespage: you or someone else that does openstack charming
[10:33] <jamespage> caribou, sure - not sure why is not in the review queue.
[10:33] <jamespage> caribou, that bug has no linked branches?
[10:34] <caribou> jamespage: yeah, I noticed that
[10:34] <pmatulis> morning
[10:35] <caribou> jamespage: let me dig the MP for you
[10:35] <jamespage> caribou, can you link the branches to that bug report and set the merges back to ready for review.
[10:36] <caribou> jamespage: sure; I'm just surprized that the LP: #bug in the changelog did go unnoticed by launchpad
[10:44] <caribou> jamespage: I put the status to 'resubmit' by mistake. How can I get them back to 'ready for review'. By resubmitting them ?
[10:44] <jamespage> caribou, URL?
[10:45] <caribou> jamespage: https://code.launchpad.net/~louis-bouchard/charms/precise/nova-compute/lp1313602-multiline-known-hosts/+merge/218440
[10:45] <caribou> jamespage: and https://code.launchpad.net/~louis-bouchard/charms/precise/nova-cloud-controller/lp1313602-multiline-known-hosts/+merge/218442
[10:46] <jamespage> caribou, hmm - that looks OK
[11:01] <Voyage>  whats the limit of concurrent connections of one 64 core CPU server machine? whats the bottle neck? 64 core processor cpu and 2 TB ram.
[11:03] <OpenTokix> Voyage: for what?
[11:04] <jamespage> Voyage, by default probably 1024 - the open file descriptor limit is low by default which constrains  the amount of network connections a single process can support
[11:04] <jamespage> note that is for 1 process
[11:04] <OpenTokix> jamespage: but that is a software limit, the question is regarding hardware.
[11:05] <jamespage> OpenTokix, in which case the answer is it depends on what sofware you are running
[11:05] <OpenTokix> Voyage: if it has a 1Gbps interface and the packets are on ethernet frame per client, around 60k connections, since the 1GBps will top out at about 120kpps (x10 for 10GE)
[11:05] <OpenTokix> jamespage: yes =) as I asked "for what?"
[11:05] <jamespage> OpenTokix, indeed :-)
[11:06] <jamespage> OpenTokix, by open fd limit is always pretty much the first bottleneck unless the software is really crappy :-)
[11:06] <OpenTokix> jamespage: indeed it is
[11:07] <OpenTokix> jamespage: and it is also very very traffic dependend where the bottle neck is
[11:07] <jamespage> indeed
[11:07] <jamespage> I love 'it depends' answers :-)
[11:07] <OpenTokix> =)
[11:07] <OpenTokix> It always do
[11:07] <OpenTokix> I have seen some really weird bottlenecks on high volume stuff
[11:07] <OpenTokix> Like running out of source ports for instance
[11:07] <jamespage> indeed - I reckon the best answer is really to configure, test, see what breaks, re-configure....
[11:07] <OpenTokix> with a 3s fin_timeout =)
[11:08] <jamespage> of course generating that sort of load does become tricky
[11:08] <OpenTokix> impossible to benchmark
[11:08] <OpenTokix> btw. =)
[11:09] <OpenTokix> The biggest houses for benchmarking can only muster up about 5000 unique hosts
[11:10] <jamespage> OpenTokix, that sounds expensive but 100% correct
[11:10] <jamespage> OpenTokix, I used to use a Testing and as Service product that ran from ec2 - but that did not go that large
[11:10] <jamespage> 100's
[11:10] <OpenTokix> jamespage: crazy expensive between 10-50k dollar for one test
[11:11] <jamespage> OpenTokix, esp when someone forgets to bump the ulimit and you hit the wall fast!
[11:11] <OpenTokix> jamespage: Ec2 is to slow for the stuff I was testing
[11:11] <OpenTokix> jamespage: I designed the system we tested, and I didnt forget =)
[11:11] <OpenTokix> jamespage: handled about 3 billion requsts/day from millions of ips
[11:11] <jamespage> OpenTokix, awesome
[11:13] <OpenTokix> it was =)
[11:13] <OpenTokix> Then the company got aquired by idiots and I left =)
[11:13] <OpenTokix> jamespage: and needless to say, their availability is going down =)
[11:48] <Voyage> jamespage,  so normally, whats the max no. of connections that reasonable powerfull servers reach?
[11:49] <jamespage> Voyage, it really does depend on what you are actually doing on it
[11:49] <Voyage> OpenTokix,  the  60k connections is not the limit on server side. correct? its on client side ( which is ofcourse never reached)
[11:50] <Voyage> OpenTokix,  a server can have more than  60k connections concurrently. right?
[11:50] <Voyage> OpenTokix,  the file descriptior limit can be customized to be more than  millions. no?
[11:51] <Voyage> jamespage,  web server. apache or apache tomcat..
[11:52] <OpenTokix> Voyage: on a single 1Gbps nic you have a limit of about 120kpps
[11:52] <OpenTokix> Voyage: generally
[11:52] <OpenTokix> Voyage: you can do some tweaks, if know _a lot_ of your traffic to reach higher
[11:52] <OpenTokix> (at the cost of latency)
[11:53] <Voyage> ignore latency
[11:56] <OpenTokix> You cant get a 1G much higher then 120kpps
[11:56] <OpenTokix> for internet traffic
[13:11] <droven> عاوز زب من الزقازيق
[13:11] <cfhowlett> droven in English please
[13:17] <droven> عاوز زب من الزقازيق
[13:18] <cfhowlett> !english|droven
[13:21] <droven> عاوز زب من الزقازيق
[13:22] <davidparker> Hi everyone! I have a low-traffic website, audio streaming, archiving, and file serving needs to accomplish, and I have two computers to do it. Should I install ubuntu server on both of them, using one as backup? Or should I use MAAS? My needs are not complex so using a cloud-style elastic architecture is probably overkill, right? I want to use Juju to set up my stack, though. Thanks!
[13:38] <remix_tj> davidparker: maybe you need only an active/passive cluster?
[13:39] <remix_tj> davidparker: something like this http://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/HA_Cluster_with_Linux_Containers_based_on_Heartbeat,_Pacemaker,_DRBD_and_LXC
[13:41] <rbasak> davidparker: if you want to use Juju in your stack, and you have two computers, then I think your options are: separate local environments on each computer, one manual provider environment covering both, or MAAS. For two machines, MAAS is overkill I think. I'd probably go with the manual provider.
[13:42] <rbasak> davidparker: I suggest that you use the juju stable PPA for now. I'm working on getting the latest updates to Trusty, and making that happen faster. But right now the PPA is the best option.
[13:54] <davidparker> Is using Juju also overkill? I've installed ubuntu server with the following packages: apache, PHP, MySQL, DNS server, OpenSSH, etc. So if that's all I'm using, plus some audio specific stuff like Rotter and LiquidSoap, then why use Juju? I've already got all the software I need on ubuntu server.
[13:55] <davidparker> Then I could just use the second computer as a RAID, or some type of backup.
[14:27] <hallyn> zul: all right, let's get some libvirt 1.2.5 up in this utopic.  (i wanna finish the cgmanager patch against it)  are you working on it right now?  (if not i'll take a look)
[14:30] <zul> hallyn:  please have a look
[14:35] <hallyn> k
[14:50] <DenBeiren> what would be the easy way to change locale to belgium / dutch layout truough cli?
[14:53] <rbasak> DenBeiren: LANG is usually set in /etc/default/locale. Older releases used /etc/environment
[14:53] <rbasak> DenBeiren: not sure about keyboard though, sorry.
[14:53] <rbasak> "sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" maybe. I'm not sure if that's still used.
[14:54] <rbasak> Maybe /etc/default/keyboard as provided by the keyboard-configuration pacakge.
[14:54] <rbasak> The loadkeys command will change things immediately for you on a VT if you need it updated without a reboot.
[14:54] <rbasak> No idea about X.
[16:12] <superboot> Hi all. I've got a mdadm RAID-10 array, and want to upgrade the os to a new version with a freash install. Can I just copy the /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf to the new install, and start/mount the array?
[16:15] <tgm4883> Generally speaking, shouldn't iSCSI be faster than NFS? I've been doing some testing, and I'm getting better performance to NFS. Is my thinking backwards?
[16:15] <superboot> Meaning your tests are showing that NFS is faster? (for clarification for the group)
[16:15] <tgm4883> exactly
[16:15] <tgm4883> I've been using IOMeter for testing
[16:16] <tgm4883> I'm getting higher IOPS and more throughput
[16:17] <tgm4883> Tests consisting of SAN storage mounted from a QNAP on a ESXi host using both iSCSI and NFS (two different volumes). Virtual machine on each of the storage running IOMeter
[16:19] <superboot> Sorry, I don't have any experiance with iSCSI.
[16:19] <superboot> I'm sure there is someone in the channel that does.
[16:24] <RoyK> tgm4883: sync writes to NFS should be slower than writes to iSCSI, but NFS also support async writes, meaning the writes are buffered (at the VFS layer IIRC)
[16:25] <RoyK> iSCSI is always sync on the block level
[16:25] <RoyK> (but then, the filesystem (or VFS?) should do some caching anyway)
[16:26] <RoyK> tgm4883: how do you compare these two? what sort of NFS server? what filesystem on top of the iSCSI thing?
[16:26] <RoyK> and btw, for iSCSI, you should use jumboframes
[16:27] <RoyK> tgm4883: standard 1500 byte frames will generate rather a lot of tiny frames where you want network stacks and switches to be more happy with 9000b jumboframes
[16:28] <RoyK> tgm4883: but please describe your infrastructure, network etc
[16:31] <tgm4883> RoyK: The SAN is a QNAP server, I believe uses NFSv3. The filesystem on the iSCSI mount is VMFS5. I'm not currently using jumbo frames, but I'll check with my networking team to ensure that is possible. I'd also have to check with them to see what switches we're using, I know we have a combination of Cisco and Brocade/Foundry.
[16:32] <tgm4883> I'm comparing them by running IOMeter on a Ubuntu 14.04 VM. I have it located on one type of storage, run the test, then use vmotion to move it to the other storage and test again
[16:36] <RoyK> guess all switches produced the latest 10 years or so, should support jumboframes
[16:36] <RoyK> not necessarily enabled in the config, though
[16:36] <tgm4883> yea, I wouldn't be surprised if it's not enabled
[16:37] <RoyK> but.. do I understand you correctly? Are you comparing vmfs5 on iscsi with nfs on a linux vm?
[16:38] <RoyK> if so, that's not quite fair
[16:38] <tgm4883> not exactly. both are mounted directly on the ESXi server. VMFS5 on iSCSI, NFS3 (for NFS).
[16:39] <tgm4883> Both are mounted on the ESXi server, not on the IOMeter client
[16:40] <RoyK> not sure, then - we're using iSCSI for most stuff on ESXi (Dell Equallogic storage)
[16:41] <RoyK> those boxes just support direct block access anyway
[16:43] <RoyK> tgm4883: what sort of QNAP thing? The QNAPs I've used, just use linux and software RAID/LVM
[16:44] <RoyK> tgm4883: nothing wrong with that, though...
[16:45] <RoyK> tgm4883: btw, check output of 'ifconfig' on that QNAP thing - check the MTU
[16:46] <tgm4883> RoyK: it's a TS-EC1279U-RP
[16:47] <tgm4883> MTU's at 1500 in the web interface
[16:47] <RoyK> k
[16:47] <tgm4883> I'll check with our networking team on the switches, they are in a meeting rightnow
[16:48] <RoyK> ok
[16:48] <tgm4883> Wiring wise, the ESXi hosts have dual 1Gbit links to the switch, the QNAP has 4 - 1 Gbit links to the switch in LACP config
[16:50] <RoyK> tgm4883: not sure if it's relevant, but we don't use LACP in our setups - we use quad 1G links to the EQL storage with multipath
[16:50] <RoyK> LACP proabably don't scale as well as iSCSI multipath
[16:50] <RoyK> especially with few hosts
[16:50] <RoyK> how many ESXi hosts?
[16:51] <tgm4883> Which EQL?
[16:51] <RoyK> EQL as in EqualLogic - we have a few
[16:51] <RoyK> from large/slowish ones to small/fast ones (15k in raid1-0)
[16:52] <tgm4883> So a bit more about our environment, I'm testing the QNAP for another team, so it's only got one host attached to it. We've got 7 hosts connected to our EQL ps4100. I recently removed our PS6000x as it's pretty small storage and performance wasn't great when I tested it
[16:53] <tgm4883> I'm not 100% sure that my predecessor had any of this tuned for anything, and AFAIK there was no performance testing done on any of this
[16:53] <RoyK> with a single iSCSI connection, you'll probably only get 1Gbps throughput because of how LACP works
[16:53] <RoyK> depending on setup, though
[16:53] <lordievader> Good evening.
[16:54] <tgm4883> RoyK: our 10k EQL was barely outperforming the QNAP in these IOMeter tests
[16:54] <tgm4883> Then again, I'm not 100% I like any of these IOps numbers I'm getting compared to what sales is telling me on the new SANs they want me to buy
[16:55] <RoyK> thesheff17: doesn't surprise me, but then, EQL have some nifty features for moving volumes around easily. Still wouldn't recommend them. We're looking at Compellent now to see if that can replace what we're using now
[16:56] <RoyK> Dell's talking about allowing replication between EQL and Compellent soon (Q2 2015 or so), which could mean we can use the current hardware for the DR site
[16:56] <RoyK> Compellent looks a *lot* better, albeit a bit more expensive at first
[16:56] <tgm4883> RoyK: yea there was some fancy auto-management between the two SANs when I had both in production, but it was renewal time and I didn't feel like paying $4K for 6TB of storage when performance was so bad
[16:57] <RoyK> lol
[16:58] <RoyK> it's rather convenient to be able to upgrade a controller at a time, though, something you can't do with things like a QNAP or some homebrew ZFS-setup
[16:59] <tgm4883> true, although we have blackout days every quarter that we can take any system down we need to work on
[16:59] <tgm4883> but yea, that is pretty convenient to work on
[16:59] <RoyK> *days*?
[16:59] <tgm4883> sorry, just 1 blackout sunday
[16:59] <tgm4883> 4 per year
[17:00] <RoyK> ok
[17:00] <RoyK> that's convenient
[17:00] <tgm4883> yea it's a carryover from the bad old days
[17:00] <tgm4883> mostly we don't need to take stuff down anymore because everything is so redundant
[17:01] <RoyK> another thing that's rather annoying with EQL is that its controllers are active/standby, not active/active
[17:15] <bcsaller> This is an odd one, I'm sprinting on location and our partner here is seeing an odd case as they spin up VMs. Under high network load when they bring up a container with a previously used IP but a changed MAC address the ARP cache seems to persist long enough that they lose traffic. This isn't something they were seeing under Lucid but are now seeing as they transition to Trusty. Anyone seen something like this?
[21:04] <Chiarot> Question for you guys, I have a ubuntu server that is doing DHCP, I'd like to add a PXE server into my network as well, what would I add into the dhcpd.conf to ensure it points to the correct box for pxe?
[21:13] <lordievader> Chiarot: filename "pxelinux.0"; and probably "next-server".
[21:20] <Hornet> evening
[21:20] <Hornet> sort of hybrid issue here; having 'fun' getting my sshfs mount to behave as expected
[21:20] <Hornet> a mv command as the remote user in terminal, works, but sshfs gets operation not permitted errors
[21:21] <Hornet> everything has correct rights
[21:21] <Hornet> only possible cause I can think of is the move is between two physical remote drives
[21:21] <Hornet> but both in the same box
[21:22] <Hornet> any insights much appreciated
[22:01] <sarnold> Hornet: seems like you're not alone, at least one other person reported cross-mount moves don't work through sshfs: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2124058
[22:02] <sarnold> (as much I dislike forum-based research, this one seems clueful :)
[22:02] <Hornet> sarnold: already seen that, but thanks
[22:03] <Hornet> I need to get sshfs working as I need transparent access so that file utilities can work, I don't just want to use gui file managers
[22:03] <sarnold> Hornet: you could use multiple sshfs mounts, one per underlying filesystem
[22:04] <sarnold> Hornet: then your local 'mv' command would recognize the situation correctly and perform the copy + unlink exactly as it should
[22:04] <Hornet> considered it, it'd break smart transfers, eg it'd download from the server then upload again
[22:04] <Hornet> rather than just moving on the host
[22:04] <sarnold> to be honest, I can't expect any networked filesystem to get that correct
[22:04] <Hornet> sshfs does
[22:05] <sarnold> I thought you were here because it doesn't get it correct?
[22:05] <Hornet> if I move the files to the destination, or close to it, and do mass complex renames, it does it instantly
[22:05] <Hornet> it just can't move things from the original source correctly
[22:05] <Hornet> which is the crux of the matter
[22:05] <Hornet> we're talking about 60gb of files presently
[22:05] <Hornet> will vary wildly per use case though
[22:07] <Hornet> eg, on the server, /volatile represents a single 1tb drive in the box
[22:07] <Hornet> the main filesystem is a 6tb raid array
[22:07] <Hornet> if I try to use sshfs to move files from /volatile to /home it screws the proverbial pooch
[22:08] <Hornet> but if I move the files there first with mv, then do my mass renaming in situ, it works
[22:08] <Hornet> this is basically bug territory, but sshfs are -glacial- at fixing things
[22:09] <sarnold> and this one would take a fair amount of fiddling to get right
[22:10] <Hornet> sftp seems to bypass the issue
[22:10] <Hornet> but when you look into sftp and fuse, guess where you end up?
[22:10] <Hornet> sshfs
[22:11] <hacktron> any advise would be much appreciated... I have an ubuntu server that as far as I know is working fine.. Hosting apkapps.com there. But after going for about a week with no reboot the site will timeout until I reboot again. that is one issue.
[22:12] <hacktron> the other is I cannot access from any device within my office work network
[22:12] <hacktron> currently it just times out
[22:12] <Hornet> latter sounds like router/firewall issues
[22:12] <Hornet> former, god knows
[22:12] <sarnold> but with an sftp, at least you -know- that your moves aren't necessarily atomic; when 'source' and 'destination' are both on the same filesystem mount point, you'd expect a rename() system call to be atomic, but sshfs cannot provide that gaurantee if it does system(mv) behind the scenes. I wonder what would break if they implemented it.
[22:13] <Hornet> sarnold, I've tried the classic workaround=rename, no luck there
[22:13] <Hornet> first thing I tried
[22:13] <sarnold> hacktron: from the internal systems, look up apkapps.com -- I suspect you're getting an external IP, one that the internal machines can't route to.
[22:13] <hacktron> well I can access other pages on the server just not the apkapps.com site
[22:14] <hacktron> for example the ip for the server is <IP_ADDRESS>
[22:15] <hacktron> if I type that directly I will get the page being served
[22:16] <hacktron> but if I go to <IP_ADDRESS>/apkapps/apk which is where the site is being help it timeout
[22:16] <hacktron> apkapps.com just points to that location
[22:16] <hallyn> zul: hm, so libvirt virstoragetest is hanging in buildds on:   cmd = virCommandNewArgList(qemuimg, "create", "-f", "qcow2", NULL);
[22:16] <hacktron> that is how I currently have it setup, not sure if that is correct
[22:16] <hallyn>     virCommandAddArgFormat(cmd, "-obacking_file=raw,backing_fmt=raw%s",
[22:16] <hallyn>                            compat ? ",compat=0.10" : "");
[22:16] <hallyn>     virCommandAddArg(cmd, "qcow2");
[22:17] <sarnold> hacktron: does apkapps.com configuration or code do any hostname logging rather than IP logging?
[22:18] <hacktron> in apache2 config file is setup with hostname to point to directory,
[22:18] <Hornet> slight tangent to prior issue, what's the sanest way to move many files via a mv command?  I've tried command line substition but that seemed to not work
[22:19] <hacktron> not sure if that is what you are asking about.
[22:20] <sarnold> Hornet: I often put together pretty hacky shell commands: cd source/ ; for f in *foo* ; do mv $f ../destination/ ; done
[22:21] <Hornet> ah, of course
[22:21] <sarnold> hacktron: heh, not really; sometimes log files are set to log hostnames instead of IP addresses; that's usually a bad idea because (a) anyone can set reverse dns to anything they want (b) when there are timeouts resolving names, odd things can happen.
[22:21] <Hornet> would have to make a comprehesive list though, the files are awkwardly named
[22:21] <sarnold> Hornet: the "string operations" here are sometimes useful for making similar for loops when things get worse: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/refcards.html
[22:23] <Hornet> noted, thanks
[22:23] <hacktron> sarnold__: do you have a resource that can help me setup correctly, I just followed this http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/name-based.html
[22:25] <sarnold> hacktron: sorry, that's the same guide (or the 2.4 version) I use when trying to figure my way around apache. :/
[22:40] <hacktron> sarnold__: ok thanks..so make sure its logging ip address not hostname?
[22:41] <sarnold> hacktron: rather the other way around -- logging hostnames rather than IPs. (This is not common.)
[22:42] <hacktron> ok tyvm


[00:00] <AskUbuntu> juju sync-tools on maas 502 bad gateway error | http://askubuntu.com/q/469869
[04:46] <thumper> o/ stub
[04:47] <thumper> stub: I'm looking at the postgresql charm
[04:47] <thumper> and considering two main things:
[04:47] <thumper> * what is the minimum reasonable things I need to configure for ec2 so the db exists beyond the machine
[04:47] <thumper> * how do I restore a backup that has been taken
[04:48]  * thumper is looking at python-django, postgresql, and gunicorn
[04:48] <thumper> probably going to use a subordinate charm for django for the app...
[04:59] <stub> thumper: two (or more) units means you have a replica of all your data. pg_restore is the command to restore a database, and the charm doesn't help you do it.
[04:59] <jose> hey guys, do you think a charm for an archive mirror would be useful? I know it wouldn't be able to run in a t1.micro aws instance, for example, but I think it would be a good idea to have one for, as an example, private clouds
[05:00] <stub> The backup design and scripts predates me - I need to go over it, adding in PITR options.
[05:13] <lazyPower> hey stub, did you place test_hooks.py in hooks to work around stupid path munging?
[05:13] <lazyPower> (wrt the postgresql charm)
[05:13] <stub> lazyPower: No, it ended up in there because that is where the person who wrote it put it :)
[05:14] <lazyPower> stub: have a moment to lend your eyeballs to my path munging woes? I'm trying really hard in an area i just dont understand.
[05:14] <stub> lazyPower: I tend to be an 'accept improvements, and polish them later' type gateway.
[05:14] <stub> sure
[05:14] <lazyPower> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7495968/
[05:14] <lazyPower> wait, thats an outdated pastebin
[05:15] <lazyPower> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7496027/ - there's my dir tree
[05:17] <lazyPower> and the only reason i'm using nose, is because i've used it in context of a python project and it worked pretty well. it just 'knew' what was up. It was a similar layout - instead of hooks/ it was module_name/*  -- now the issue. When I run nosetests against tests, it fails under charmhelpers, importing stuff - but only in the context of testing
[05:17] <lazyPower> when i'm running the hooks, they have no such import errors, so i can only assume its nose's path munging
[05:18] <stub> 10_test_common.py?
[05:18] <lazyPower> yeah, it gets to import hooks/common - from there it starts tree loading teh dependency chain and blows up
[05:18] <lazyPower> 1 sec, let me push this branch to bzr and get you some output for context
[05:19] <lazyPower> lp:~lazypower/+junk/bind
[05:20] <lazyPower> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7496033/
[05:21] <stub> At the top of your '10_test_common.py', you probably want something like 'import sys; import os.path; sys.path.append(os.path.join(os.path.dirname(__file__), os.pardir, 'hooks'))
[05:21] <lazyPower> stub: i have hooks, and hooks/charmhelpers being added implicitly in the test file
[05:21] <stub> With an absolute path, or a relative path?
[05:22] <stub> If you use a relative path, the current working directory will hurt you
[05:22] <lazyPower> it'll resolve to an abspath
[05:22] <lazyPower> ah i stripped that in the version i committed
[05:22] <lazyPower> what i had was; http://paste.ubuntu.com/7496035/
[05:22] <lazyPower> same error
[05:22] <stub> You really want to calculate the path from __file__, as that is the only fixed absolute path you can start from IIRC
[05:24] <stub> 'from hooks import' means you need the parent directory of 'hooks' in the path. You are putting the hooks directory itself in the path.
[05:24] <lazyPower> ooohhhh
[05:25]  * lazyPower looks shifty
[05:25] <lazyPower> i knew that
[05:25] <lazyPower> well that'll resolve something later down the road, still failing. I think I'm going to follow the pattern of the pgsql charm and just move it to hooks
[05:26] <lazyPower> i dont know what I did wrong, but there's something terribly wrong here.
[05:26] <stub> try: [imports] except ImportException: print repr(os.getcwd()); print repr(sys.path); raise
[05:32] <lazyPower> trying to get it to trigger, Its raising OSError which i've changed, but still not catching in the try/except block. Which means its probably raising from before this?
[05:39] <lazyPower> stub: thanks for the help, its been food for thought. Doesn't seem to be working though
[05:41] <stub> lazyPower: Yup. I'd need to see the traceback
[05:41] <stub> I can have another look in about an hour
[05:41] <lazyPower> stub: i never got the path to print. whats up in the +junk repo is pretty much the same status of the code save for the try/except block.
[05:41] <lazyPower> I'm calling it a night.. its extremely late
[05:42] <lazyPower> thanks again for taking a look o/
[09:39] <jamespage> gnuoy, looking at tribaals resync branches now
[09:40] <gnuoy> ak
[09:43] <stub> lazyPower: btw. Make sure your hooks directory has a __init__.py or Python won't think it is a package and 'import hooks' will fail.
[09:48] <jamespage> Tribaal, is there a bug for the apt race thing you fixed via charm-helpers?
[10:00] <rbasak> axw: around?
[10:00] <rbasak> axw: it should work with just juju-mongodb as it does in Trusty.
[10:01] <rbasak> axw: we need to push this back in an SRU to Trusty, so I'm not sure we can just bring in a new dependency like that.
[10:01] <rbasak> axw: any idea why the requirement changed?
[10:12] <jamespage> gnuoy, I made the publish target in Makefile run lint and test first
[10:12] <jamespage> if they fail you can't publish
[10:12] <jamespage> gnuoy, does that make sense? should help stop lint and test failures getting promoted
[10:13] <gnuoy> completely
[10:17] <jamespage> gnuoy, tribaal's branches all landed
[10:17] <gnuoy> jamespage, landed to stable ?
[10:18] <jamespage> gnuoy, yes
[10:18] <jamespage> gnuoy, I've not enacted 'next' yet
[10:18] <jamespage> :-)
[10:18] <gnuoy> kk
[10:35] <jamespage> gnuoy, nsx fixups queued for review - https://code.launchpad.net/~openstack-charmers/+activereviews
[10:36] <jamespage> gnuoy, if you like I can show you how to deploy that on serverstack
[10:36] <gnuoy> that would be great
[10:39] <jamespage> marcoceppi, just so you know I've branched the ganglia, ganglia-node and ntp charms precise->trusty under charmers - but I've not promulagted
[10:39] <jamespage> needed charm store accessible trusty versions
[10:45] <axw> rbasak: it works in Trusty without mongodb-server? ok then - I can take another look in my morning
[10:45] <axw> rbasak: why does it need an SRU in Trusty, if it's only an issue in Utopic?
[10:45] <rbasak> axw: I believe so, yes - we have a dep8 test that passed when juju-core was last uploaded to Trusty, and it worked then.
[10:45] <axw> mk
[10:45] <rbasak> axw: there are other fixes that we can't fix in Trusty, because the SRU process expects them to be fixed in Utopic first.
[10:46] <axw> ah I see
[10:46] <rbasak> Really, juju needs to be fixed so that a copy-forward to the next development release Just Works without needing any code changes.
[10:46] <rbasak> I'm addressing that separately.
[10:46] <axw> rbasak: understood. if I get a chance I'll look tonight, otherwise in my morning. if it's urgent, better get onto someone else in juju-dev
[10:47] <rbasak> axw: OK, thanks. This has been delayed by weeks now, so I don't think another day will really make any difference.
[10:47] <axw> okey dokey
[10:47]  * axw bbl
[13:29] <marcoceppi> jamespage: are they trusty ready? do they need to be promulgated?
[13:29] <marcoceppi> typically branches shouldn't live under ~charmers that aren't promulgated
[13:39] <jamespage> marcoceppi, meh - probably
[13:39] <jamespage> I've been using them on trusty for ages
[14:58] <lazyPower> stub: so, i had a nose plugin that was causing 90% of my headache.
[14:58]  * lazyPower burnt it with fire
[16:42] <hackedbellini> hey guys
[16:42] <hackedbellini> something strange happened here: I cannot access juju-gui with the password on local.jenv
[16:42] <hackedbellini> it was working until yesterday. Today I tried to login, using the password on the file, but it says "Unknown user or password."
[16:42] <hackedbellini> anyone has any idea of what it might be? Or even where can I get the "real" passowrd, since the one on local.jenv is not working?
[16:46] <hackedbellini> worse. "juju stat" is giving me this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7498090/
[16:46] <hackedbellini> And no, I can't use "juju bootstrap" to create a new environment since I'm on a production machine
[16:51] <rick_h_> hackedbellini: did you change the password in the jenv file from when the environment was created?
[16:51] <rick_h_> hackedbellini: and that looks like a local mongodb timeout?
[16:52] <rick_h_> hackedbellini: and the gui talks over the api to juju so if there's issues there it could be more a juju failure than the login
[17:14] <hackedbellini> rick_h_: no, I didn't change the password
[17:14] <hackedbellini> and yes, I'm googling a little and found that it has something to do with mongodb. Do you have any tips on how can I debug this?
[17:16] <rick_h_> hackedbellini: can you start by explaining a bit on the environment here. It seems odd that it's timing out mongodb on localhost. Maybe that is from the state server machine 0? Can you ssh to that machine and see if mongo is running?
[17:16] <rick_h_> hackedbellini: maybe provide some info on the version and such of ubuntu, juju, etc this environment is on?
[17:37] <hackedbellini> rick_h_: well, I think we fixed it. We restarted juju-agent-juju-local and everything worked again
[17:37] <hackedbellini> really strange though. In our logs, the service restarted itself at 10am (UTC-3). Nobody did nothing for it to happen
[17:37] <rick_h_> hackedbellini: well yay and hmmmm, wonder what that was
[17:39] <hackedbellini> rick_h_: hahaha exactly my reaction to this, "yay and hrmmmm". If I find something, I'll report here or open a bug ;)
[17:40] <rick_h_> hackedbellini: thanks, and glad it's working and not a bug in the GUI :)
[18:10] <lazyPower> Guest80317: o/ Hey Ryan
[18:11] <Guest80317> lol well i guess im guest
[18:11] <lazyPower> jcastro: Guest80317 is the ILOC guy I was telling you about that may or may not be able to assist us in this endeavour
[18:11] <jcastro> hi!
[18:12] <Guest80317> hey
[18:13] <Guest80317> i need to get my nick registered but ill get to that
[18:15] <ILOC_guy> that will have to work for a min
[18:17] <lazyPower> hah, nice handle ILOC_guy
[18:17] <ILOC_guy> i figured that would work
[18:18] <lazyPower> So, we have some new stuff coming down the pipeline, and one of which is a HyperV virtualization solution for people interested in Juju. How do you feel about pioneering VM image creation with us on HyperV?
[18:18] <ILOC_guy> Well i think i could help ya out
[18:18] <ILOC_guy> i will of course need some detail
[18:18] <lazyPower> jcastro: ^ drive my man. drive away.
[18:20] <jcastro> ILOC_guy, yeah that would be awesome!
[18:21] <jcastro> basically, we want hyperv users to have an out of the box box (heh) so they can turn around and deploy onto hyper-v if they want
[18:21] <ILOC_guy> that would be nice, since VMM isnt exactly the best software that i have used
[18:22] <ILOC_guy> i dont know if you have used it but its about as much fun as a sharp stick in the eye
[18:23] <lazyPower> that snap in based management console for the hyp-v stuff?
[18:23] <lazyPower> i'd rather herd carts....
[18:23] <lazyPower> *cats
[18:24] <ILOC_guy> Yea its part of M$'s system center
[18:24] <jcastro> well, as long as it's repeatable ...
[18:25] <ILOC_guy> it can be but its not fast or flexable .... as im dealing with currently
[18:26] <lazyPower> ILOC_guy: hows the overarching experience with building machine images from powershell?
[18:27] <lazyPower> That's where we're going to see this go I would imagine. Building a base image with powershell and letting cloud-init handle all the heavy lifting inside the base box.
[18:28] <ILOC_guy> PS is better....
[18:29] <lazyPower> ILOC_guy: we should have a group sync at some point in the near future and talk about a path to success and get some feedback on how you would tackle this problem
[18:29] <lazyPower> jcastro: thoughts?
[18:30] <jcastro> yeah sounds good to me!
[18:30] <lazyPower> ILOC_guy: pick a date thats not the 30'th through june 2nd.
[18:31] <lazyPower> and a timeslot. I'll make a calendar invite and get everyone on board and we can go from there. give you a chance to talk to your boss if you want to do this on office hours or not.
[18:32] <themonk> marcoceppi: hi
[18:33] <themonk> Hello everybody
[18:34] <ILOC_guy> Well my boss is in the M$ camp so i dont know if i can use HER work time to do it.
[18:35] <lazyPower> ILOC_guy: no worries, if it's a hobby its a hobby :) Just a thought.
[18:36] <ILOC_guy> well im not saying that i wont push the subject but i need to have ammo to take to this fight
[18:41] <lazyPower> ILOC_guy: i'm crafting an email to the group of us that's responsible for our VM story. This way you can get answers out of band without tracking us all down on here. Thanks for agree'ing to help - we certainly appreciate the time to talk to us today.
[18:43] <ILOC_guy> of course any time, its nice to be distracted from the every day roll
[18:44] <themonk> how to restart unit agent?
[18:49] <lazyPower> ILOC_guy: you've got mail.
[18:49] <lazyPower> o/ sebas5384
[18:50] <sebas5384> hey lazyPower o/
[18:50] <ILOC_guy> well look at that i do... lol
[18:52] <l1l> I have a region controller and I am trying to bootstrap node0 to precise, is that not possible?
[18:58] <themonk> marcoceppi: need your help. in config-changed hook, i need to restart my server after configuration changed but do not want to run restart code for the first time like, install->config-changed-start
[18:59] <themonk> marcoceppi: how to block restart code when config-changed runs after install hook?
[19:07] <sebas5384> themonk: whats the problem with restarting?
[19:08] <sebas5384> themonk: if you have, you can always make an intelligent function that knows about that rule
[19:09] <themonk> sebas5384: problem is how can i restart before start hook because it is not started yet after install->config-changed
[19:10] <sebas5384> themonk: you can divide in others scripts
[19:10] <themonk> sebas5384: how do i know that confir hook is running for the first time?
[19:11] <sebas5384> you can touch a file :)
[19:11] <sebas5384> touch .installed
[19:12] <sebas5384> if you don't started but you are doing: stop, start
[19:12] <sebas5384> will show something like a warning, but not an error
[19:13] <themonk> sebas5384: :) i thought about touch like solution. but is there any think juju provide?
[19:14] <themonk> sebas5384: *anything
[19:15] <sebas5384> themonk: well if juju can give you that i didn't know
[19:15] <themonk> sebas5384: thanks :)
[19:16] <sebas5384> themonk: o/
[19:33] <lazyPower> themonk: juju doesn't have a concept of if a service is started or not. That's more the domain of whatever you're using to handle your process
[19:33] <lazyPower> eg: upstart
[19:57] <Djgerar123> HELLO
[19:57] <Djgerar123> WHERE IS JOJO?
[19:57] <Djgerar123> JUJU
[21:34] <zerick> Is juju for Openstack reliable as Packstack ?
[21:34] <zerick> (the juju charm)
[21:39] <sebas538_> lazyPower and jcastro alpha draws: https://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.hipchat.com/45897/307411/beJXOwF8csdcR9C/info_taller_juju_maas-01.jpg
[21:39] <lazyPower> thats an awesome infographic
[21:39] <lazyPower> i wish i read spanish
[21:39] <sebas538_> nothing finished yet, we are going to do more series, etc...
[21:39] <sebas538_> lazyPower: portugues !!!
[21:39] <sebas538_> hehe
[21:39] <lazyPower> that ^
[21:40] <sarnold> cool :)
[21:40] <sebas5384> :D
[21:41] <sebas5384> jose maybe you understand hehe
[21:42] <jose> sebas5384: spanish? :P
[21:42] <lazyPower> haha
[21:42] <sebas5384> hahaha
[21:42] <lazyPower> jose: dont pull a lazypower mistake
[21:42] <lazyPower> its protugues with three exclamation points.
[21:43] <sebas5384> hahaha
[21:47] <sarnold> portuguese usually is with three exclamation points
[21:48] <lazyPower> sarnold: ever the ambassador of the obvious :P
[21:48]  * sarnold shines his Capt Obvious badge
[21:50] <sebas5384> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t85OkP9bQEw#t=407
[21:50] <sebas5384> hehe
[21:58] <jcastro> sebas5384, dude that is so cool!
[21:58] <sebas5384> thanks jcastro!! :)
[22:01] <sebas5384> jcastro: those are not the finals
[22:01] <sebas5384> so any feedback will be great!
[22:01] <sebas5384> :D