[10:16] <MilhousePunkRock> So the "slimmest" set-up would be to only leave one tty?
[10:16] <intelikey> yep
[10:17] <Healot> MilhousePunkRock: you're not having RAM size less then 128MB right?
[10:17] <MilhousePunkRock> and I can still open several consoles at a time than?
[10:17] <intelikey> but like i said.   1:12345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 < that,  not this > 1:2:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1
[10:17] <MilhousePunkRock> I have 256 MB on this machine, sadly enough
[10:17] <intelikey> man openvt
[10:18] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock you are going to be in the GUI, right ?    gui is not affected by that at all.
[10:18] <intelikey> with 250m  i would never use swap
[10:19] <MilhousePunkRock> How do I quit vi _with_ saving?
[10:19] <intelikey> :)
[10:20] <thoreauputic> MilhousePunkRock: :!wq
[10:20] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock escape key first.
[10:21] <intelikey> else you just type that in the file.
[10:21] <thoreauputic> right
[10:21] <intelikey> thoreauputic i put him in ins mode
[10:21] <thoreauputic> ah
[10:21] <MilhousePunkRock> Hey, stop talking geek with me... ;-)
[10:22] <intelikey> [esc]  ;wq
[10:22] <thoreauputic> ed! ed is the editor! man ed! ed, man!
[10:22] <MilhousePunkRock> Why read man pages if nice ppl here on the IRC help me... :-P
[10:23] <intelikey> that's why the *buntu team put nano as the default cli editor      at least they did one thing right.
[10:23] <thoreauputic> heh - that was a reference to a famous joke :) Only masochists use "ed"
[10:23] <intelikey> i was waiting for the begging....
[10:24] <MilhousePunkRock> I still did not manage to quit vi with saving...
[10:24] <intelikey> prolly not running as root
[10:24] <thoreauputic> http://www.boinc.ch/~thoreauputic/edistheeditor.txt
[10:25] <MilhousePunkRock> sudo vi /etc/inittab
[10:26] <MilhousePunkRock> I already figures that I need to be su whenever I want to edit something with messes with the system
[10:26] <intelikey> yup
[10:26] <intelikey> so did you hit the escape key in vi ?
[10:27] <MilhousePunkRock> yes
[10:27] <intelikey> then the :
[10:27] <MilhousePunkRock> no
[10:27] <intelikey> ?
[10:27] <MilhousePunkRock> lol that was what the :wq was about... sorry... it's still early and I was playing till 2 am
[10:28] <intelikey> escape  then  :   puts you back in 'command' mode in vi   where you can execute commands
[10:28] <intelikey> like [esc]  : help [enter]
[10:29] <intelikey> or  [esc]  :!wq
[10:29] <intelikey> exec force write quit
[10:29] <MilhousePunkRock> That's done...
[10:30] <MilhousePunkRock> I am going to reboot now and see if there is a difference...
[10:30] <intelikey> and that's about the extent of my vi knowledge ,   i use it when i absolutely have too.
[10:30] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock wait
[10:30] <intelikey> learn this command first.
[10:31] <MilhousePunkRock> sudo reboot now?
[10:32] <intelikey> at the grub prompt   you can hit [esc]   and then select the kernel line you would boot and hit  E   that lets you edit the startup command.      init=/bin/bash   is the emergency access incase you hosed the system.
[10:32] <intelikey> you should never need it.  but with playing around in init  you might.
[10:33] <MilhousePunkRock> The one made from paper that is, not the beautiful black IBM baby...
[10:34] <intelikey> it    [esc]   E  then add init=/bin/bash   then [enter]  and boot.    only use that if it kernel panics
[10:35] <intelikey> hot it ?
[10:35] <MilhousePunkRock> got that written down, thanks..
[10:35] <intelikey> got it that is.
[10:35] <intelikey> ok
[10:35] <intelikey> luck
[10:35] <MilhousePunkRock> thx
[10:35] <MilhousePunkRock> BRB
[10:36] <intelikey> it was more of an insurance policy than a cure i guess...
[10:42] <intelikey> jan youre back!
[10:42] <MilhousePunkRock> Indeed..
[10:42] <MilhousePunkRock> Booting did not really feel faster though
[10:43] <MilhousePunkRock> But it was to fast for the wireless the first time, so I upped the preup sleep to 2
[10:43] <intelikey> it's the loading of kde that eates the time.
[10:43] <MilhousePunkRock> Next step, renaming the rc* files I don't need anymore
[10:43] <MilhousePunkRock> the time before KDE is longer than the time in KDE though
[10:44] <intelikey> but it's loading xorg and kde long before you are seeing the splash screens
[10:44] <MilhousePunkRock> KDE probably wasn't the smartest choice for a 256 MB system...
[10:44] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock i have ran kde on 64m
[10:45] <intelikey> with no swap
[10:45] <MilhousePunkRock> Does anyone watch "Alias" by the way?
[10:45] <intelikey> alias edit='mc -e'
[10:45] <intelikey> :)
[10:46] <MilhousePunkRock> I only ended up with Kubuntu 'cause it was the only Distro where the WLAN worked on the LiveCD
[10:46] <MilhousePunkRock> I am talking about the TV series... I just figured they use Linux there to make the computer look really geeky...
[10:47] <Lynoure> Is there anything like glabels but for kde? kbarcode seems quite buggy
[10:47] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: ahhhh....
[10:47] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: new version of that seems to work better.
[10:48] <Hobbsee> *that's* what i was going to do.
[10:48] <intelikey> barcode - Creates barcodes in .ps format
[10:48] <intelikey> kbarcode - A KDE Barcode Creation And Printing Application
[10:48] <intelikey> libpostscriptbarcode - A barcode generator written entirely in PostScript
[10:48] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: I'm using (or tryint to as changing font size does not seem to work) kbarcode 1.8.0
[10:49] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: that the one?  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kbarcode/+bugs
[10:49] <Lynoure> intelikey: only one of those is glabels -like, and that's the one I said seems buggy (I do apt-cache search before asking...)
[10:50] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: no, different bug... maybe I should file it.
[10:50] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: can you wait about 40 mins?
[10:50] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: sure :)
[10:51] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: well, actually, grab the edgy source, build it for dapper, and see if it's buildable and installable.  if it is, i'll request a backport.
[10:51] <intelikey> Lynoure i've never used any of them.  only did a quick scan of the repos.
[10:51] <Hobbsee> !info debhelper dapper
[10:51] <ubotu> debhelper: helper programs for debian/rules. In repository main, is optional. Version 5.0.7ubuntu13 (dapper), package size 493 kB, installed size 1236 kB
[10:51] <intelikey> anyone can guess why i don't have any applications menus in twm or bb ?
[10:51] <Hobbsee> yeah lovely.  Lynoure, that should build just fine.
[10:52] <flaccid__> anybody know how to make files open in current session for kdevelop?
[10:52] <intelikey> in fact the menu consists of xterm restart and exit
[10:52] <MilhousePunkRock> Talking about deps reminds me that I have a slight problem with them too...
[10:53] <MilhousePunkRock> Not deps, repos...
[10:53] <MilhousePunkRock> I added on there so I could grab the newest version of KDE
[10:53] <intelikey> hmmmm  tty23 [root#~]  update-menus
[10:53] <intelikey> update-menus[6708] : Script /etc/menu-methods/menu-xdg returned error status 1.
[10:54] <intelikey> loads of errors just like that ^
[10:54] <MilhousePunkRock> But it seems I didnt add the certificate or something alike for that
[10:54] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: I'm not in the state of mind for experimenting much right now, but maybe at some point during the weekend. Thanks for the hint.
[10:54] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: backports are screwed, atm, i think.    but that package should definetly build.
[10:54] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: i'll have a package in a while - but i'm going out first, so...
[10:54] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: Take your time :)
[10:55] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: and being the one that did the merge - you shouldnt have a problem with the edgy version, if you use dpkg-source -x foo.dsc && debuild
[10:55] <intelikey> nobody ?
[10:56] <Hobbsee> wow, lots of updates for dapper.
[10:57] <MilhousePunkRock> http://pastebin.ca/95761
[10:57] <intelikey> yeah  lots
[10:58] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: it's configuring now.
[10:58] <MilhousePunkRock> Was that me not adding the key or is it a problem with the repo?
[10:59] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: likely not adding the key, or it not reading, or something
[10:59] <MilhousePunkRock> How can I add the key then?
[11:01] <intelikey> looks like the repo is not automaticly sending/updating the gpg key, to me.  but i'm not german
[11:01] <Hobbsee> MilhousePunkRock: sudo apt-key add key.gpg
[11:02] <intelikey> yes dl and manually add the key.
[11:02] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: want me to email the debs to you?  what's your email?
[11:02] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: or send me an email from your email address, so i dont los eit :P
[11:03] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: oh yay, it's done.
[11:04] <MilhousePunkRock> If I only knew where to find the key...
[11:04] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: send me your email and your architecture - to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:04] <intelikey> gooday hobbsee
[11:06] <intelikey> eeek  kde is a blank screen with a cursor.   no menu no kicker.... no nothing.
[11:07] <MilhousePunkRock> Looks like you are the one who needs help now, intelikey, huh?
[11:08] <intelikey> i haven't killed the thing yet....  but i'm still clubing it.....
[11:08] <intelikey> :)
[11:08] <MilhousePunkRock> lol
[11:08] <MilhousePunkRock> Does anyone agree that ark sucks?
[11:09] <Healot> nay from me...
[11:10] <intelikey> MilhousePunkRock it'll take time... but you'll see the thinking in tar/gzip/bzip2
[11:12] <MilhousePunkRock> 7zip can do those as well
[11:13] <MilhousePunkRock> One thing I really miss from Windows...
[11:13] <intelikey> what's that ?
[11:14] <Healot> it's not in the popularity-contest top list
[11:14] <MilhousePunkRock> Is that most times Linux does not add icons to the K-Menu when I install something...
[11:14] <MilhousePunkRock> I grew up with GUI point and click, that's hard to overcome...
[11:16] <MilhousePunkRock> Oh dear, I have the suspicion the 7zip I just installed is for the command line only...
[11:17] <intelikey> hehhe
[11:17] <intelikey> lol
[11:17] <intelikey> :)
[11:18] <MilhousePunkRock> 7-Zip works in Windows 98/ME/NT/2000/XP. There is port of command line version for Linux/Unix.
[11:18] <MilhousePunkRock> Damn...
[11:18] <Healot> you just read that?
[11:19] <MilhousePunkRock> next step: sudo apt-get uninstall 7zip
[11:19] <MilhousePunkRock> if that is the proper command
[11:20] <MilhousePunkRock> It's remove, isnt it
[11:24] <Healot> "remove"
[11:26] <MilhousePunkRock> Looks like I can use rar with ark as well... Just got unrar
[11:28] <FrEdAtTaCk> hello I have a install problem with kubuntu, the live cd doesn't find my hard drive
[11:28] <MilhousePunkRock> It needs to be mounted, FrEdAtTaCk
[11:29] <FrEdAtTaCk> it a new hard disk
[11:29] <FrEdAtTaCk> for a new installation
[11:29] <FrEdAtTaCk> I want only kubuntu on these computer
[11:29] <noiesmo> FrEdAtTaCk, is it formated or brand new
[11:30] <FrEdAtTaCk> so I have try brand new, I have try with formating on ext3 in partitions with partition magic , always not found
[11:30] <MilhousePunkRock> AFAIK it's not mounted by default on the LiveCD, but the Installation will recognise it
[11:30] <FrEdAtTaCk> when I start with the live cd , and start qtparted doesn't recognize the hard drive
[11:31] <FrEdAtTaCk> when I try to install kubuntu , on the partition screen it fails
[11:31] <FrEdAtTaCk> I have also try the alternate cd but the same problem
[11:32] <FrEdAtTaCk> I think the serial ata controller is doesn't recognize, but how can I load an other serial ata driver ?
[11:33] <FrEdAtTaCk> MilhousePunkRock,  thats my problem, the installation fails on partitioning screen
[11:34] <Lynoure> hmm
[11:34] <theresa> hey!
[11:34] <Skaman_> hi everybody
[11:34] <MilhousePunkRock> I'm a noob, FrEdAtTaCk, I'm afraid I can't help you...
[11:34] <FrEdAtTaCk> okay np
[11:34] <FrEdAtTaCk> anyone else ?
[11:35] <theresa> whats your problem fredattack?
[11:35] <FrEdAtTaCk> wel I can't install kubuntu because my hard drive is not recognize
[11:36] <FrEdAtTaCk> the installer freeze on the partitioning screen
[11:36] <theresa> ahhhh! common problem!
[11:36] <intelikey> ha MilhousePunkRock i have menus again....  :)
[11:36] <theresa> you need to try the text-based installation!
[11:36] <theresa> do you have these shipit cds?
[11:36] <FrEdAtTaCk> I have tried
[11:36] <FrEdAtTaCk> also the same
[11:37] <intelikey> don't force it...  just use a bigger hammer to presuide it to move.
[11:37] <FrEdAtTaCk> yes , I have tried with : chipit cd's off : 64 bit amd, 32 bit, and then the downloaded alternate version
[11:37] <theresa> download the latest iso from the kubuntu website!
[11:37] <FrEdAtTaCk> the alternate cd was the latest
[11:37] <FrEdAtTaCk> i think
[11:38] <theresa> you can use these shipit cds for frisbee if you want....or just chuck them into your bin!
[11:38] <theresa> you need indeed the alternate cd!!! get this version
[11:38] <FrEdAtTaCk> I am a hardware reseller, and I give my clients (k)ubuntu cd's
[11:38] <FrEdAtTaCk> but the alternate cd has the same problem
[11:39] <theresa> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/6.06/kubuntu-6.06-alternate-i386.iso
[11:39] <Skaman_> FrEdAtTaCk: what happens?
[11:39] <Skaman_> i had a problem with partitioning
[11:39] <Skaman_> maybe is the same
[11:40] <theresa> i had EXACTLY the same problem with the shipit cds, but then i downloaded the above version and it worked fine....and i installed it on 2 hdd's...so it worked twice for me :D
[11:40] <MistaED> fredattack: do you know what chipset the SATA controller is? or what chipset the board is, like via/nvidia/ati/sis/etc.?
[11:40] <FrEdAtTaCk> yes via vt8237a south bridge
[11:40] <MistaED> i'm guessing it would use the sata_via module
[11:41] <FrEdAtTaCk> Skaman_,  the alternate amd 64  cd also freez on partitioning, it doesn't recognize my hard drive
[11:42] <FrEdAtTaCk> theresa,  i have downloaded the amd64 version alternate cd , It would be the same
[11:42] <MistaED> hmm, i guess you could try a "modprobe sata_via" in another terminal with the alternative cd before getting to the partitioner (ctrl+alt+F2 to get to a busybox terminal)
[11:42] <slow-motion> hallo
[11:42] <MilhousePunkRock> Hello slow-motion
[11:42] <FrEdAtTaCk> ah OK MistaED  I go try it
[11:42] <slow-motion> hi MilhousePunkRock
[11:43] <MistaED> fredattack: i'll see if that module needs anything after it for that chipset
[11:43] <theresa> ok, i'm sorry, fredattack i haven't tried the amd64 version, as i'm not on a amd64 pc
[11:44] <FrEdAtTaCk> but that should be also the latest version
[11:45] <theresa> anyone here using kontact/kmail as there email client?
[11:48] <MistaED> fredattack: looked on a mandrake forum, apparently someone tried the noapic flag when you boot the cd and they had a flawless install after that, they had the exact same problem with the vt8237
[11:49] <evilmegaman> Hi I am trying to get Maple Story to work through wine, does anyone have any solutions to that?
[11:55] <omeow> How can I see a list of stuff I recently installed?
[11:56] <intelikey> recent.... idk.   but  dpkg -l | grep '^ii' | less   will give you the whole list.
[11:57] <intelikey> omeow it kinda depends on the frontend you used to install it, as to whether or not it's even possable to see the 'recently' installed packages.
[11:59] <omeow> I think I used adept.
[12:00] <omeow> But it's a test version, so not everything works there.
[12:06] <Lynoure> Why is there so much python stuff as dependancies for kubuntu-desktop? Are most of those actually required for some basic kde functions?
[12:07] <intelikey> Lynoure cause python is the language of the month and kubuntu is the distro of the month,  so it stands to reason....
[12:07] <intelikey> Lynoure better question might be 'why does python depend on perl' ?
[12:08] <abattoir> Lynoure: stuff like guidance the 'System Settings' thing depend on python
[12:08] <abattoir> Lynoure: and the (k)ubuntu teams have a soft corner for the language :)
[12:09] <Lynoure> abattoir: there is no separate package for that? Hmm, I hope I didn't break it. (But oh well, I'd know how to fix it)
[12:09] <abattoir> so, lots of (k)ubuntu specific things, like the Live CD installer for eg. are written in python
[12:09] <abattoir> Lynoure: even if you broke guidance, you could always use 'kcontrol'
[12:09] <intelikey> a quick   cd /usr/bin ;file * | grep python      would tell that story very well
[12:11] <Healot> and the bugs show that it does use Python :)
[12:11] <intelikey> hehhe
[12:12] <intelikey> lol
[12:12] <Lynoure> abattoir: Actually, I don't even know which one (if either) System Settings uses...
[12:13] <theresa> anyone here using kontact/kmail as there email client?
[12:13] <hari> yes
[12:14] <intelikey> i was looking at an init script eariler and the comment looked like a 3 year old typed it.  spelling and grammar were both worse than mine.....
[12:14] <hari> hmmm
[12:14] <abattoir> Lynoure: what do you mean? you mean which python packages?
[12:14] <arso> hmm
[12:14] <arso> amarok aint loading up
[12:15] <arso> i get the loading screen
[12:15] <arso> then nothing
[12:15] <arso> a few other apps to
[12:15] <arso> i restarted,but sitll
[12:15] <abattoir> arso: played around w/ the settings?
[12:15] <intelikey> what's causing this ?  "error opening security policy file /etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy
[12:15] <arso> abattoir:  no
[12:15] <arso> abattoir:  even a game, frozen bubble aint loading
[12:16] <Lynoure> abattoir: No, I'm not sure if Guidance is something I use... Never seen anything directly with that name. But oh well.
[12:16] <arso> abattoir:  could it be coz i installed a lot of new apps lately
[12:16] <arso> media players
[12:17] <abattoir> Lynoure: as i said its called 'System Settings'.... is right there in the Kmenu
[12:17] <yogi> i need help
[12:17] <abattoir> arso:  could be...
[12:17] <yogi> i cant use my amarok
[12:17] <arso> u too
[12:17] <arso> me too, i cant use amarok
[12:17] <intelikey> could be
[12:17] <abattoir> yogi: join the club :)
[12:17] <arso> should i reinstal?
[12:17] <LVADER> abattoir: can u guide me on how to use amarok?
[12:17] <Lynoure> abattoir: ok, on surface level those seem to work fine still, despite >100M of removed pythonage.
[12:18] <LVADER> i cant play mp3 from my thumbdrive
[12:18] <abattoir> Lynoure: as i said, even if that fails, you have KControl, the original kde things
[12:18] <abattoir> LVADER: you copied from the filebrowser?
[12:18] <abattoir> Lynoure: so, shouldnt be a problem :)
[12:19] <abattoir> arso: might help...
[12:19] <Lynoure> abattoir: hmm, sorry to ask stupid questions, but where are those, if Guidance stuff is under System Settings?
[12:19] <LVADER> yes
[12:19] <abattoir> arso: you can also try removing the amarok settings file, if you dont mind losing some settings
[12:20] <abattoir> Lynoure: you mean where in the system they are installed?
[12:20] <abattoir> Lynoure: afaik, guidance *is* 'System Settings'
[12:20] <arso> abattoir:  how do iremove them
[12:20] <Lynoure> abattoir: found them
[12:20] <abattoir> arso: ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc
[12:21] <Lynoure> abattoir: ok, I'm so cli-happy that I still get all confused about those graphical tools
[12:21] <abattoir> LVADER: what is in the path? media:/sda1 or something ?
[12:21] <abattoir> Lynoure: heh, that's good then :)
[12:21] <arso> wtf, when i click any mouse button it comes right click
[12:21] <LVADER> its /media/sdb1
[12:21] <arso> abattoir:  do i delete that file?
[12:22] <abattoir> arso: back it up first and then delete it
[12:22] <abattoir> amarok would recreate it at startup
[12:22] <arso> oh ok
[12:22] <arso> sure thing
[12:23] <hari> hmmm
[12:23] <arso> access denied when i paste
[12:23] <Netcad> i have edit with the command crontab -e. how do i save it and exit=?
[12:23] <LVADER> umm...i have copied it onto my desktop
[12:23] <arso> umm wats the command for any user? "chown cd amarok/  or something
[12:24] <arso> ok got it
[12:25] <arso> sudo chown -R <user>
[12:25] <arso> ok i backed it up and deleted it
[12:25] <arso> and amarok is now loading
[12:25] <hari> :)
[12:26] <abattoir> arso: cool :)
[12:26] <arso> ok still doesnt work :S :(
[12:26] <abattoir> LVADER: now it works ?
[12:26] <abattoir> arso: ugh.... any error?
[12:26] <arso> nope
[12:26] <arso> just keeps loading
[12:26] <arso> and then load screen goes, and amarok dont load up
[12:26] <tadas> hi guys
[12:26] <abattoir> arso: run it from the command line... look for errors
[12:26] <tadas> is there any way to count ls results?
[12:27] <arso> same thing
[12:27] <arso> i tried command line too
[12:27] <hari> i have almost the same problem with "totem"
[12:27] <abattoir> arso:  any errors that you noticed?
[12:27] <arso> it doesnt give any
[12:27] <arso> should i try from konsole?
[12:27] <abattoir> ugh... i thought you did that...
[12:27] <arso> ok i got errors
[12:27] <arso> !paste
[12:27] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[12:27] <arso> i';l give u al ink
[12:28] <hari> !
[12:28] <ubotu> I know nothing about ! - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:28] <arso> lol
[12:28] <hari> hmmm
[12:28] <hari> :)
[12:28] <arso> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18587
[12:28] <arso> here
[12:29] <hari> i am a newbie just testing
[12:29] <arso> lol ok
[12:29] <hari> :)
[12:29] <arso> abattoir:  u there?
[12:29] <arso> hari:  :)
[12:29] <abattoir> arso: ok, ping me, will get my attention :)
[12:29] <arso> heh k
[12:29] <arso> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18587
[12:30] <abattoir> arso: that's just normal stuff
[12:30] <abattoir> arso: anything after that?
[12:31] <arso> nope
[12:31] <arso> error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: can                                                                                not open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:31] <arso> this is normal too?
[12:31] <abattoir> arso: weird... hmmm havent seen that one...
[12:31] <abattoir> you have all those fancy visualizers installed?
[12:31] <arso> lol last line
[12:31] <arso> not really
[12:31] <arso> but that libGL.so.1 sounds familiar
[12:32] <hari> no ithink that line's not normal
[12:32] <arso> yesterday some ppl were helping me fix my ati drivers
[12:32] <arso> and replaces some files and stuff
[12:32] <hari> that doesnt come up when i run amarok
[12:32] <arso> ya mine's messedup, it aint running :P
[12:32] <hari> ok :)
[12:32] <arso> and i remeber they were replacing libGL,so.1 or something, could it be they messed it up ?
[12:32] <abattoir> arso: so nothing else? o/p i mean
[12:33] <arso> o/p? :P , newbit
[12:33] <arso> newbie*
[12:34] <abattoir> arso: latest version of amarok?
[12:35] <arso> umm, the one that came with kubuntu, i installed it about 25days ago
[12:35] <abattoir> arso: there is a newer version 1.4.1 try installing that
[12:35] <arso> ok
[12:36] <abattoir> go to kubuntu.org
[12:36] <abattoir> you'll find instructions there
[12:36] <arso> can i use synaptic or adept
[12:36] <abattoir> arso: whichever you like/are comfortable w/
[12:36] <arso> ok
[12:36] <arso> btw , i have 2 games, foobilliard and frozen bubble same thing happens to them too
[12:36] <arso> loading, then nothing
[12:37] <abattoir> arso: well, if it is a graphics problem, then i understand the games not working... but amarok?
[12:37] <abattoir> but otoh, you also have the openGL error dont you
[12:37] <Ace2005> Hi all
[12:38] <abattoir> what exactly did you do w/ your video card? did you achieve what you wanted to do?
[12:40] <arso> no
[12:40] <arso> after 30 misn of trying
[12:41] <arso> they guy said "g2g, bye"
[12:41] <Ace2005> bye
[12:41] <abattoir> arso: then it could be a misconfigured graphics card causing the issues?
[12:41] <arso> lol
[12:41] <arso> yes i think sop
[12:41] <abattoir> because the only use i can think of is for the visualisers which amarok uses
[12:42] <arso> i asked them to help becoz videos were gay quality compared to windows
[12:42] <arso> so they set out to fix my drivers and stuff
[12:42] <abattoir> so maybe they need OpenGL... with which...
[12:42] <arso> and apparently did more damage
[12:42] <abattoir> arso: easy on the words.... :P
[12:42] <arso> hehe :p
[12:42] <Ace2005> Is it ok to install to reiser4?
[12:43] <abattoir> Ace2005: yes, perfectly ok
[12:43] <Ace2005> hi abattoir its me, from yesterday, i was trying to install on xfs
[12:44] <arso> so abattoir u know how to get openGL  , if thats wat i need
[12:44] <arso> libGL is opengl?
[12:44] <abattoir> Ace2005: oh, hehe, if you'd have introduced yourself earlier, i'd have been more polite :P
[12:44] <abattoir> Ace2005: actually which guy, i remember helping around 3~4 guys w/ the same issue... :P
[12:44] <abattoir> arso: sorry, i have no clue
[12:44] <arso> lol
[12:44] <arso> okay
[12:44] <Ace2005> abattoir: well i was called ubuntu and before that i was ubuntu__
[12:44] <Ace2005> lol
[12:44] <abattoir> Ace2005: you the one w/ ext3 /boot partition
[12:44] <abattoir> ??
[12:45] <Ace2005> yea
[12:45] <abattoir> Ace2005: heh, that's being even more vague
[12:45] <abattoir> oh, ok
[12:45] <abattoir> so what happened?
[12:45] <arso> so i am pretty much screwed :P
[12:45] <abattoir> arso:  who was the person who helped you?
[12:45] <Ace2005> abattoir: and you said to format it as reiser but now the installer is trying to format it as ext3 even though the reformat option is not ticked
[12:45] <abattoir> come back later... your usual time ( ;) )
[12:45] <arso> abattoir:  umm darkwizzard and djdarkman
[12:46] <abattoir> i'm sure they'll be a lot more ppl who canhelp you :)
[12:46] <arso> abattoir:  i am always on :P
[12:46] <hari> hmmm
[12:46] <abattoir> Ace2005: really? that shouldnt happen
[12:46] <hari> :)
[12:46] <abattoir> Ace2005: are you sure ?
[12:46] <Ace2005> yea i'm sure
[12:46] <abattoir> hari: are you a bot? ;)
[12:46] <arso> llol
[12:46] <hari> no :)
[12:47] <arso> prove it?
[12:47] <arso> kaffeine works fine
[12:47] <arso> !opengl
[12:47] <ubotu> I know nothing about opengl - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:47] <hari> lets try turing test ;)
[12:47] <arso> !libGL
[12:47] <ubotu> I know nothing about libGL - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:47] <arso> !gl
[12:47] <ubotu> I know nothing about gl - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:47] <abattoir> Ace2005: what gives you the idea that it is formatting as ext3?
[12:48] <abattoir> hari: nah, you passed already :P
[12:48] <hari> :)
[12:48] <abattoir> hari: you are a bot :), that's how bots answer to such questions :)
[12:48] <Ace2005> abattoir: at the last screen before you confirm it shows that /home and / are being formatted but only /home needs to be formatted
[12:48] <hari> lol
[12:49] <hari> arso, maybe you can try installing that new version of amarok
[12:49] <hari> maybe it will fix the problem
[12:49] <Ace2005> abattoir: i ran sudo mkreiser4 /dev/hda5
[12:50] <hari> maybe i am the first bot to pass turing test 100% :)
[12:50] <abattoir> Ace2005: both are formatted as reiserfs?
[12:51] <Ace2005> abattoir: /home is ext3 and / is reiser
[12:52] <abattoir> Ace2005: and what does the installer say? in the last step ?
[12:52] <Ace2005> abattoir: let me restart it
[12:52] <abattoir> Ace2005: make sure both are unticked(for formatting)
[12:53] <abattoir> Ace2005: and make sure the mt. points are right
[12:53] <arso> hari:  umm prove ur botness tarudoe
[12:54] <Ace2005> abattoir: the partitioning bit shows it as unknown
[12:54] <abattoir> Ace2005: if you already partitioned in the cmd line, ignore the partitioning bit
[12:55] <abattoir> go to the confirmation screen
[12:55] <arso> OMGOMGOMGOMG
[12:55] <arso> i removed
[12:55] <abattoir> where it lists which partitions are being formatted...
[12:55] <arso> openGL
[12:55] <arso> it removed
[12:55] <arso> ALL my media players
[12:55] <abattoir> arso: work?
[12:55] <arso> IT REMOVED ALLLL MY PLAYERS!!
[12:55] <arso> including amarok
[12:56] <arso> :(
[12:56] <abattoir> arso: hehe, maybe when you boot up next time... there might be nothing to boot into...
[12:56] <hari> lol
[12:56] <arso> .. dont scare me
[12:56] <abattoir> arso: i asked you to be patient till those guys came
[12:56] <hari> he he he
[12:56] <arso> oh god i n eed to instal all again
[12:56] <arso> vl
[12:57] <arso> lol
[12:57] <hari> yes he did say that
[12:57] <abattoir> arso: anyway, the fun w/ linux is screwing around with it
[12:57] <arso> hari:  st fu bot
[12:57] <arso> lol
[12:57] <arso> i just wanted to play a song :( 1 hour ago
[12:57] <hari> :)
[12:57] <arso> hari:  silence
[12:57] <hari> ok
[12:57] <arso> ok i reinstalled openGL
[12:57] <Ace2005> abattoir: The following partitions are going to be formatted: partition #5 of /dev/hda as ext3, partition #5 of /dev/hdb as ext3
[12:58] <abattoir> arso: ok, now try installing the latest ver. of amarok
[12:58] <arso> and now installing amarok
[12:58] <arso> lets see
[12:58] <arso> ok
[12:58] <arso> i am
[12:58] <arso> adept only has latest versions right?
[12:58] <abattoir> Ace2005: when did you do the partitioning?
[12:58] <abattoir> arso: no.
[12:58] <arso> oh
[12:58] <arso> well i dont know wat version its instlling
[12:59] <arso> 3.9?
[12:59] <abattoir> Ace2005: did you reboot after that ?
[12:59] <arso> is that a version?> its in the filename
[12:59] <abattoir> arso: latest is 1.4.1
[12:59] <abattoir> arso:  check out kubuntu.org
[12:59] <arso> guessss not
[12:59] <arso> oh
[12:59] <arso> its 1.3.9
[12:59] <Ace2005> abattoir: yesterday, i did it in qtparted, then i rebooted and installed windows in hda1 and now i'm installing kubuntu
[12:59] <arso> i'll just upadate thru the kubuntu.org
[12:59] <Ace2005> abattoir: no reboot after formatting the partition as reiser4
[01:00] <abattoir> Ace2005: oh ok... but then when did you do the reiser thing?
[01:00] <abattoir> Ace2005: then you'd need to reboot
[01:00] <hari> arso, if you are doing it from adept manager then you can get the details by clicking on the small arrow on the left side
[01:00] <Ace2005> abattoir: while i was talking to you
[01:00] <abattoir> Ace2005: but run cfdisk first
[01:00] <arso> hari:  thank u, useless
[01:00] <Ace2005> abattoir: ok i'll reboot
[01:00] <abattoir> Ace2005: ok, rucn 'sudo cfdisk' first
[01:00] <abattoir> Ace2005: do that before you reboot
[01:00] <Ace2005> abattoir: FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive Press any key to exit cfdisk
[01:01] <abattoir> Ace2005: ok exit it
[01:01] <abattoir> Ace2005: quit the installer
[01:01] <abattoir> Ace2005: unmount all your harddisk partitions
[01:01] <Ace2005> still the same error
[01:02] <hari> ok everyone i am leaving, bye :)
[01:02] <arso> when the instal finishes i'll reboot and see if it will
[01:02] <Ace2005> bye hari
[01:02] <abattoir> Ace2005: unmounted the disk fully ? sure?
[01:02] <Ace2005> well according to kde in system:/ they aren't even fstab and it couldn't mount then
[01:02] <Ace2005> them*
[01:03] <abattoir> Ace2005: the installer mounts them...
[01:03] <Ace2005> abattoir: where?
[01:03] <jihi> hi
[01:03] <abattoir> Ace2005: ok, i say this because the partition table needs to be written to disk
[01:04] <Ace2005> abattoir: the partition table hasn't changed, just the file system in hda5
[01:04] <arso> jihi:  hi
[01:04] <abattoir> Ace2005: afaik, you need to update it....
[01:04] <jihi> has anybody a working xorg.conf for gforce 440go  ?
[01:05] <abattoir> Ace2005: you can try continuing installation if you want... but if the installer crashes... dont ask me
[01:05] <Ace2005> abattoir: so i restart and then it'll show its reiserfs?
[01:05] <abattoir> Ace2005: restart the computer? please do that if you can... but it'd be good if you can run cfdisk before that
[01:06] <Ace2005> abattoir: still gives the same error
[01:06] <abattoir> Ace2005: hmmm i still think the drive is mounted... ok, anyways restart
[01:06] <rascal999> I am trying to edit a file in the /etc/ folder but I don't have permission?
[01:07] <Ace2005> abattoir: whats the alternative install disk? does that have the old type installer?
[01:07] <abattoir> Ace2005: yes it does
[01:08] <Ace2005> abattoir: is that the only difference?
[01:08] <abattoir> Ace2005: it also is less bug-infested
[01:08] <abattoir> Ace2005: supports reiserfs too
[01:08] <Ace2005> abattoir: thanks, i'll download that and try it
[01:08] <Ace2005> abattoir: thanks for all the help, bye
[01:08] <abattoir> Ace2005: if you can get that, and are ok w/ the text-based installation, i'll recommend that
[01:08] <abattoir> Ace2005: bye :)
[01:08] <Ace2005> bye all
[01:10] <arso> bye
[01:11] <abattoir> arso: got the latest version yet?
[01:11] <arso> damn still 31% :S
[01:11] <abattoir> arso: anyway i am not very confident that it'd work
[01:11] <abattoir> arso: i'm pretty much sure graphics is the problem
[01:11] <abattoir> arso: wait for those guys to come up... and finish the process
[01:11] <arso> if i find them
[01:12] <arso> anyways there are a few pros usually around later
[01:12] <abattoir> arso: exactly :)
[01:12] <arso> gatekeepe and stuf
[01:12] <abattoir> arso:  your best chums :)
[01:12] <FrEdAtTaCk> hello kubuntu users
[01:13] <arso> hehe
[01:13] <arso> hell fre.blabla
[01:13] <arso> hello*
[01:13] <FrEdAtTaCk> I can't install kubuntu because my hard drive is nog recognize
[01:13] <tiny> HI I need some help about wine : is somebody able to help me ?
[01:13] <arso> u sure its plugged in right?
[01:13] <abattoir> heh
[01:13] <Healot> hello FrEdAtTaCk the kubuntuans
[01:13] <arso> tiny:  did u try the wine channel?      abattoir IS THERE a wine channel?
[01:13] <abattoir> yes, of course
[01:13] <abattoir> #wine
[01:13] <FrEdAtTaCk> I have a VT8237A sata controller in these pc
[01:14] <abattoir> or #winehq
[01:14] <tiny> thanks I don't know there is a wine channel. I go now.
[01:14] <arso> ok good
[01:14] <arso> FrEdAtTaCk: are u dual booting with windows or mac?
[01:14] <Philip5> arso: how is it going?
[01:14] <FrEdAtTaCk> I have tried with kubuntu 6.06  64-bit, 32-bit and the alternate version , always freeze it on partitioning
[01:14] <arso> yay
[01:15] <arso> phili is here!
[01:15] <Philip5> arso: hehe
[01:15] <FrEdAtTaCk> arso, no only kubuntu
[01:15] <arso> its going bad  :(
[01:15] <FrEdAtTaCk> I have also tried with manualy load the sata_via module , always some problem
[01:15] <arso> FrEdAtTaCk:  oh so u didnt try this harddisk out yet, so it could be not plugged in
[01:16] <arso> hmm
[01:16] <Philip5> arso: oh? how come?
[01:16] <arso> Philip5:  i am having problems with the graphics,were u there yesterday? when darkwizzard was helping me?
[01:16] <FrEdAtTaCk> yes arso , I also partitioning the hard drive with partition magic
[01:16] <Philip5> arso: i wasn't
[01:17] <arso> Philip5:  oh , i complained to someone that my video quality was gay, comapred to windows.
[01:17] <arso> Philip5:  so they started doing some weird stuff , trying to fix my driver, or see if it exists (ati radeon series200)
[01:17] <FrEdAtTaCk> arso have you installed the video driver ?
[01:17] <arso> and now , i noticed all programs that use graphics (games, amarok not loading (visualisations)
[01:17] <arso> i think so
[01:18] <arso> FrEdAtTaCk: sorry, i aint no expert, cant help u with the partitioning,u tried qtparted tho?
[01:18] <nancy1> hi everyone,,
[01:18] <Philip5> arso: oh, well i use nvidia so i'm not exactly sure of ati parameters
[01:18] <arso> nancy1:  welcome
[01:18] <arso> oh
[01:18] <arso> damn, everyones on nvidia :(
[01:18] <FrEdAtTaCk> yes, qtparted doesn't also recognize the hdd
[01:18] <nancy1> I have a X problem this morning,, can anyone help me,,
[01:18] <nancy1> X start only for few second an send mem to command line
[01:18] <Philip5> arso: have you read the howto?
[01:19] <arso> which howto? :P kubuntu,org?
[01:19] <arso> thing is, it was fine, untill those guys were helping me
[01:19] <nancy1> when I put in startx it tells me that it is already in fonction,, how can I resolve this problem,, x starts normally when I boot in recovery,,
[01:20] <arso> wtf, system settings aint loading up
[01:20] <arso> Service '/usr/share/applications/kde/KControl.desktop' is malformatted"         oh god
[01:20] <nancy1> Thx for the welcome arso
[01:20] <arso> lol, sorry i am of no help, a newb myself
[01:21] <Philip5> nancy1: any other problem while at the kdm login?
[01:21] <arso> Philip5:  Service '/usr/share/applications/kde/KControl.desktop' is malformatted     .. sounds serious
[01:21] <Philip5> arso: yes, very,,, now you have to reformat everything and do a reinstall... ;)
[01:22] <arso> yay
[01:22] <arso> ............O M G
[01:22] <Philip5> arso: na
[01:22] <arso> lol? u were joking? i hope
[01:22] <Philip5> arso: of course
[01:22] <Philip5> :)
[01:22] <arso> phew! dont scare me like that :P
[01:23] <nancy1> in recovery no,, but in my user,, I see pointer a few second and Im sent to prompt login,, and when I try to startx then, ,it tells mem that its already in fonction on monitor 0,, and im on a laptop,, so no muti screen
[01:23] <ninHer> hi all
[01:23] <arso> how are u chatting? different computer?
[01:23] <arso> ninHer:  hello
[01:24] <arso> hasta lavista
[01:24] <nancy1> Philip5, I did try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg,, with no positive result,,
[01:25] <arso> nancy1:  was it working fine earlier?
[01:25] <nancy1> arso, was working fine for a week,, and no change as been made since install last week
[01:25] <nancy1> was sent to prompt login this morning
[01:25] <Philip5> nancy1: let us see you /var/log/Xorg.0.log but we only need lines from your last try
[01:26] <Philip5> put it at pastebin
[01:26] <arso> !paste
[01:26] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[01:26] <nancy1> heuu i do that from prompt?
[01:26] <nancy1> and how do I post that here,, its on the orher laptop,,
[01:26] <Philip5> nancy1: are you at a different computer now?
[01:27] <nancy1> hold on ,
[01:27] <Philip5> arso: need that kcontrol-file?
[01:27] <arso> Philip5:  i have no idea, wat to do
[01:27] <nancy1> Philip5, yes,, still on prompt on the one I cant log on x
[01:29] <Philip5> nancy1: can you get the log to the other computer somehow?
[01:29] <arso> Philip5:  so wat should i do ? :P
[01:29] <Philip5> arso: with the kcontrol file? make a new one
[01:30] <arso> Philip5:  well with everything, Service '/usr/share/applications/kde/KControl.desktop' is malformatted" wat was that":
[01:30] <arso> i am considering a fresh installation
[01:30] <Philip5> arso: do you get my dcc?
[01:30] <arso> no
[01:30] <ninHer> hello arso
[01:30] <arso> ninHer:  hello?
[01:31] <nancy1> Philip5, if I look at Xorg.0.log  the last 10 lines have a WARNING  font renderer for..... already registered at prioroty 0
[01:32] <Philip5> arso: make sure you kcontol.desktop file look like this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18588
[01:33] <Philip5> arso: otherwise make it... :)
[01:33] <arso> umm how do open it? wheres its location
[01:33] <Philip5> arso: you said it yourself
[01:33] <Philip5> arso: /usr/share/applications/kde/KControl.desktop
[01:34] <Philip5> nancy1: that only mean that you have tried to start it once and that it's still running but not working
[01:34] <Philip5> nancy1: look for the first error and why
[01:34] <arso> Philip5:  u do this for charity :P ?
[01:34] <Philip5> arso: no while eating lunch :)
[01:35] <arso> Service '/usr/share/applications/kde/kfmclient_dir.desktop' is malformatted
[01:35] <nancy1> im gonna try login recovery,, and get it from there
[01:35] <arso> oh god
[01:35] <arso> i cant even get that
[01:35] <arso> there*
[01:35] <nancy1> since it work fine in thet mode
[01:35] <arso> and if i got to storage devices i get same msg
[01:35] <arso> omg
[01:35] <arso> or home folder
[01:35] <IGGY_POP> hi guys, how to create a super administrator account in graphic mode, and how to create bootable floppy when a cdrom doesn't boot ?
[01:36] <arso> ....my whole root is owned or wat Philip5
[01:37] <IGGY_POP> anybody there to answer my questions ?
[01:37] <arso> IGGY_POP:  hmm didnt u already create one when u installed kubntu?
[01:37] <arso> IGGY_POP:  u still use floppies :P?
[01:38] <IGGY_POP> i can't use other things
[01:38] <josi> any ideas what could cause a jerky video stream?
[01:38] <IGGY_POP> my cd rom doesn't boot
[01:38] <arso> bad connection
[01:38] <arso> IGGY_POP:  is it mounted/
[01:38] <IGGY_POP> no i mean in the start of the computer
[01:38] <IGGY_POP> if you want to use a live cd
[01:39] <IGGY_POP> your cd rom has to be bootable
[01:39] <arso> ic
[01:39] <arso> i dont know :S
[01:39] <IGGY_POP> ok
[01:39] <IGGY_POP> someone know that ?
[01:39] <arso> Philip5:  where are u
[01:39] <Philip5> arso: i'm here
[01:39] <Philip5> and there
[01:39] <arso> Philip5:  any thoughts
[01:39] <arso> i cant access anything
[01:39] <slow-motion> re
[01:40] <arso> altho interestingly, i am downloading stuff to the root partition
[01:40] <arso> and its downloading normaly
[01:40] <arso> otherwisei  get malformatted
[01:40] <SoLo18> cine ma poate ajuta si pe mine in legatura cu cum sa instalez porgrame pe Kubutu /dar in ROMANA?
[01:40] <Philip5> arso: same as usuall with you... permissions
[01:40] <arso> oh
[01:40] <arso> so "sudo chown -R arso /"
[01:40] <feet> hi. i need to install nvidia-glx. however it keeps asking me to download the 386 kernel packages and related. but i am using the 686 kernel packages. am i doing something wrong??
[01:41] <Healot> numa numa iei numa numa iei
[01:41] <Philip5> arso: ehem, depends on what you are doing it on
[01:41] <arso> Healot:  u romanian?
[01:41] <arso> Philip5:  access anything
[01:41] <arso> first time i see that "malformatted thing"
[01:41] <hardw1re> !azureus
[01:41] <ubotu> azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AzureusHowTo
[01:41] <arso> Service '/usr/share/applications/kde/kfmclient_dir.desktop' is malformatted
[01:41] <josi> should i use xine or gstreamer framework as back-end?
[01:42] <Philip5> arso: then with the other problems maybe you don't have access to the file
[01:43] <arso> so how do we deal with it
[01:43] <nancy1> Philip5, I posted Xorg.0.log on paste.ubuntu-nl
[01:43] <Philip5> nancy1: i'll have a look
[01:44] <Philip5> nancy1: but please give me the url to your post
[01:44] <arso> hehe
[01:44] <arso> so my turn :P
[01:45] <arso> brb, reboot
[01:45] <hardw1re> which repos do i need for the sun-java5-jre ?
[01:46] <kbrooks> How do I install Flaash under Kubuntu? What packages?
[01:47] <nancy1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18589   and 18590
[01:47] <Tommy2k4> kaffeine has such high cpu usage :s
[01:47] <arso> back
[01:48] <arso> omg
[01:48] <arso> it took away konque
[01:48] <joaquim> hardw1re: sun-java5-jre is availlable in multiverse repos
[01:49] <arso> IT TOOK KONQUE
[01:51] <Philip5> nancy1: to clue really from that... what about your syslog? any errors in there?
[01:51] <Philip5> to=no
[01:51] <arso> oh god
[01:51] <arso> i 've fuked everything up
[01:51] <nancy1> Philip5, I just noticed something,, Philip5 syslog or syslog.0
[01:52] <Philip5> syslog
[01:52] <arso> Philip5:  i rebooted
[01:52] <arso> and its into some kind of safe mode
[01:52] <arso> the wallpaper is plain
[01:53] <arso> it doesnt open any program including run command
[01:53] <kbrooks> arso: theres no safe mode
[01:53] <arso> hmm
[01:53] <arso> then wat is this
[01:53] <kbrooks> arso: reinstall kubuntu
[01:53] <arso> easy to say
[01:53] <arso> i need stuff from the root partition
[01:54] <arso> data*
[01:54] <nancy1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18592
[01:54] <arso> Philip5:  help..
[01:55] <hardw1re> meow
[01:55] <aegeanlinux> woof
[01:56] <nancy1> Philip5, to come back to what I noticed,, I think that in my user profile,, rfresh rate is at 63Mhz for the screen and I dont have any higher setting,, but inrecovery, I have a refresh of 85,, can it be it,, ??
[01:56] <aegeanlinux> :P Jokes
[01:56] <arso> ;)
[01:56] <arso> lol'
[01:56] <Philip5> nancy1: try
[01:57] <nancy1> how can I change to higher setting in user if they dont show?
[01:58] <nancy1> by redoing reconfigure xserver and putting manually setting?
[01:58] <arso> ..........
[02:03] <arso> Philip5:  y aren u helping me :(
[02:04] <pepsi> kbrooks: did you figure out the flash thing yet? curious about that myself
[02:05] <hardw1re> hmm my Azureus seems to have not show the windows, i just have the grey box with the toolbar
[02:06] <aegeanlinux> hardw1re: dang
[02:06] <hardw1re> dunno then again i might just be use to the windows version of Azureus
[02:07] <arso> i am using azureus
[02:07] <arso> on windows AND linux
[02:08] <ThirdEyeSkweeky> what version of java r u  using?
[02:08] <arso> no idea
[02:09] <arso> lol
[02:09] <kbrooks> java -version
[02:09] <ThirdEyeSkweeky> java - version
[02:10] <arso> k
[02:10] <kbrooks> ThirdEyeSkweeky: Without the space
[02:10] <hardw1re> gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.1.0 (Ubuntu 4.1.0-1ubuntu8)
[02:10] <ThirdEyeSkweeky> yup sorry --
[02:10] <hardw1re> java version "1.4.2"
[02:10] <arso> my linux is fuked i cant even get to konsole
[02:11] <edison> hi everyone
[02:12] <Healot> arso, hehehe
[02:12] <aeth> hi all, I just installed kubuntu and setup the nvidia drivers. My system crashes when I end my current X session, I get garbled lines on screen and no response. System used to work well running nvidia driver with SuSE... any ideas?
[02:13] <hardw1re> did u install the nvidia driver from the repos
[02:13] <aeth> yup
[02:13] <hardw1re> or from the nvidia site?
[02:13] <aeth> I did a sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[02:13] <arso> Healot:  how good with linux are u?
[02:13] <ThirdEyeSkweeky> what happens when u just start X?
[02:13] <edison> i have a problem with linux, my kernel version is 2.6.15-26-386 and i try to update to the 686 version but i had a problem with he graphic interface
[02:14] <aeth> you mean without kdm? as in startx from console?
[02:15] <edison> aeth i almost have the the same problem as u
[02:15] <aeth> hrmmm
[02:15] <arso> u guys are lucky, i got an ATI , pain in the ass withl inux
[02:15] <ThirdEyeSkweeky> yes or try failsafe from kdm/gdm
[02:15] <hardw1re> moo
[02:16] <aeth> ok
[02:16] <aeth> I'll give that a go
[02:16] <arso> umm anyone, i rebooted and its loaded up in a weird mode
[02:16] <aeth> I've read that framebuffer support can cause this problem as well...
[02:16] <arso> background is plain, no icons, non-clickable, run command doesnt load up
[02:16] <hardw1re> i cant seem to find the sun java re on the repos' i must be missing one
[02:16] <aeth> perhaps forcing it off during boot would help :S
[02:17] <edison> i also have a nvidia card and is also giving me a problem when i start the kernel version for 686
[02:17] <gnomefreak> hardw1re: enable the multiverse repos
[02:17] <arso> ok i am gonna reinstall kubuntu
[02:18] <arso> how do i do that atl east. i installed it thru a live cd
[02:19] <pepsi> edison: like what kind of problem?
[02:19] <hardw1re> right thats that sorted lol
[02:20] <edison> well i start ubuntu with kernel version for 386 but i download the 686 and when i start my system the graphic interface get mess up
[02:20] <eddie> can someone assist me in a wierd problem? In amaroK some songs play through one sound device and other songs play on another,
[02:21] <pepsi> edison: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, backing it up if you made any changes to it
[02:21] <pepsi> backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf i mean
[02:22] <pepsi> i had a similar problem, so i let it regenerate xorg.conf, then i made my modifications to xorg.conf again
[02:23] <edison> and some message appear saying that my x..... something is not configure as it should, so i guess is that what u r saying
[02:23] <edison> the thing is im not expert using the commands and stuff but ill try that
[02:23] <pepsi> yeah, reconfiguring xserver-xorg will at least get you back to something useable, even if its not completely what you want
[02:24] <pepsi> what display driver were you using before do you know?
[02:25] <edison> well i read somewhere that i can do his: apt-get install xserver-xorg to install it
[02:25] <edison> ?
[02:25] <pepsi> edison: its already installed
[02:26] <pepsi> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:27] <steveire> how can I make the commands in my .sh file appear when I run the file? It used to be @echo on or something for .bat files under windows
[02:28] <ThirdEyeSkweeky> set -xv in the first line of script <#!/bin/sh -xv
[02:28] <ThirdEyeSkweeky> >
[02:28] <ThirdEyeSkweeky> leave out <>
[02:28] <steveire> ah, thanks
[02:29] <ThirdEyeSkweeky> s/<>//g
[02:30] <skydivebird> hello?
[02:30] <arso> u caaa see"!?
[02:30] <arso> phew
[02:31] <arso> i wanna reinstall kubuntu
[02:31] <arso> i installed it thru a live cd
[02:31] <arso> i just insert the cd and isntal over this patition? or do i have to partition this first or wat
[02:32] <skydivebird> I don't know exaclty... I'vfe just begun to use LINUX OS...
[02:33] <skydivebird> I'm kind of new at this so i'm trying this distribution..
[02:34] <steveire> arso: you should be just able to install over the other installation. You'll be asked where you want to install it, so just select to format the existing partition
[02:34] <ubuntu__> kubuntu!
[02:34] <kbrooks> yup, its me
[02:34] <kbrooks> im back! :P
[02:35] <arso> i see
[02:35] <arso> oh great , i lost the cd,  and i think deleted the image
[02:35] <kbrooks> arso: uh oh
[02:36] <arso> oh thank god, i found the image
[02:36] <arso> i;ll just burn it now
[02:36] <arso> damn i am gonna have a long day
[02:36] <kbrooks> heh
[02:36] <arso> instaling stuff and codecs
[02:36] <arso> and drivers
[02:36] <arso>  :(
[02:36] <kbrooks> anyway
[02:37] <kbrooks> time for me to get "install"ing
[02:37] <aegeanlinux> hi kbrooks
[02:37] <arso> fresh isntallation too or wat/
[02:37] <aegeanlinux> arn't you in the #kde channel?
[02:37] <kbrooks> aegeanlinux: i was :-) lol
[02:37] <arso> oh btw, how do i burn an iso?
[02:38] <aegeanlinux> k3b
[02:38] <arso> !iso
[02:38] <ubotu> To mount an .iso image: sudo mount -o loop my.iso /some/mountpoint - bin/cue can be converted to iso with bchunk  .iso images of Ubuntu CDs can be downloaded from http://releases.ubuntu.com Always verify the .iso before burning, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[02:39] <arso> umm k3b ?
[02:41] <arso> this channel sux today :(
[02:42] <hardw1re> whats a good program for accessing news groups on linux?
[02:42] <Lynoure> arso: it's Saturday, people are prolly busy partying or sleeping late
[02:43] <arso> hehe yea
[02:43] <arso> the weekend where i am is thursday friday
[02:43] <Lynoure> k3b is good for burning things, yep.
[02:43] <centyx> anyone here know how to get xfishtank to work in kde?
[02:43] <centyx> i run 'xfishtank -d' and it does nothing
[02:44] <uliwitness> Hi guys, anybody want to help a Linux n00b (long-time Unix/Mac programmer, tho') getting LILO installed?
[02:44] <centyx> i run 'xfishtank' and the screen flashes blue for a second
[02:44] <uliwitness> I'm following the instructions on http://bin-false.org/?p=17
[02:44] <centyx> uliwitness: why lilo and not grub?
[02:44] <Lynoure> arso: and from k3b, Burn cd image, or burn dvd iso image, depending on which .iso you have
[02:44] <arso> i c, i am installing k3b now
[02:44] <uliwitness> The standard installation ends with "failed to install GRUB".
[02:45] <arso> btw wats on the kubuntu dvd iso ,?
[02:45] <uliwitness> And this article was the only doc that told me how to continue once that happens.
[02:45] <centyx> uliwitness: what are your partitions like?
[02:45] <uliwitness> NB - I'm installing onto an Intel Mac Mini.
[02:46] <uliwitness> My partitions? They're on an external USB drive. I have two Mac partitions (one bootable, one just data) and an ext3 and swap for Kubuntu.
[02:47] <hardw1re> hey whats a good program for linux to download stuff from news groups?
[02:47] <nancy1> is there a config somewhere that says boot in command line rather than X,, because I can boo t X in any other profile than mine,, and I dont see how that could happen,,
[02:47] <uliwitness> centyx: And there's probably an EFI partition somewhere on there too (the live CD mounts it) but I'm kinda confused how to use that with the Kubuntu installer.
[02:48] <centyx> uliwitness: which partitions are on the usb drive?
[02:48] <uliwitness> centyx: All of them?
[02:48] <centyx> uliwitness: ah ok
[02:49] <uliwitness> (I got the external one especially so I could install other OSs without screwing up the internal HD)
[02:49] <centyx> uliwitness: are you booting your system from this drive, or another
[02:49] <centyx> uliwitness: ah
[02:50] <uliwitness> centyx: Not sure I understand...? Right now I'm booted from the live CD, but I want to boot Kubuntu from the external one. Ideally without scrapping the other partitions.
[02:50] <francoise> hello
[02:50] <centyx> uliwitness: yea i know
[02:51] <aeth> I fixed it...
[02:51] <uliwitness> centyx: I also have an internal drive that I *could* boot into OS X from if that helped.
[02:51] <centyx> uliwitness: do you want the boot loader installed to the mbr of your internal drive... or do you want to just choose 'boot from usb' from your bios and then get the boot loader
[02:51] <uliwitness> The latter would be sufficient.
[02:52] <hardw1re> can someone remind me what the command is to get a list of currently running processes?
[02:52] <aeth> ps
[02:52] <aeth> ps -A
[02:52] <aeth> or indeed... top
[02:52] <hardw1re> ty
[02:52] <aeth> yw
[02:52] <ninHer> top -u (username)
[02:52] <Healot> top
[02:53] <uliwitness> centyx: I'm just trying out Kubuntu right now, and if it works I might mess around with it more, but I still need the Mac to just work without the external USB drive.
[02:53] <centyx> uliwitness: brb
[02:54] <uliwitness> centyx: I'm just trying to get LILO installed as that web site says, but I'm not sure what Kernel image I want to update in liloconfig.
[02:54] <centyx> uliwitness: ah
[02:54] <ThirdEyeSkweeky> nancyl: you mean if you login as root - X works?
[02:54] <uliwitness> centyx: it offers sarge, sid, coffee and debianlilo.
[02:55] <uliwitness> Which one is right for the current live CD?
[02:55] <centyx> uliwitness: not sure...
[02:55] <centyx> uliwitness: i would label the ext3 partition, and update fstab and grub's menu.lst to use the label instead of the device name
[02:55] <centyx> uliwitness: and use grub
[02:55] <centyx> uliwitness: sorry, i have to go
[02:56] <uliwitness> How do I get GRUB working?
[02:56] <steveire> uliwitness: What's not working about it?
[02:56] <uliwitness> I just get to the end of the install process and then it says it can't install GRUB and the installer crashes.
[02:57] <centyx> uliwitness: use e2label to label the partition
[02:57] <centyx> uliwitness: remake your swap partition with a label also if it doesn't have one already
[02:57] <uliwitness> I specified a label in the installer's GUI -- is that the same?
[02:57] <centyx> uliwitness: yea that's good enough
[02:58] <centyx> uliwitness: update /etc/fstab in the root of the target partition to mount the label not the device
[02:58] <centyx> uliwitness: and do the same in grub's menu.lst... lemme see if i can find an example, i don't remembe the exact syntax
[02:59] <uliwitness> Well, if I can get the installer not to crash, I could try that...
[02:59] <hardw1re> hmmm something is running that is causing Adept to run in read-only mode :((
[02:59] <centyx> uliwitness: oh it crashes b/c grub won't install
[02:59] <uliwitness> Yes.
[03:00] <centyx> uliwitness: yuck.
[03:00] <uliwitness> centyx: *nods*
[03:00] <centyx> uliwitness: there's other stuff it does after it installs the boot loader so that's not good
[03:01] <centyx> uliwitness: sorry i really gotta go. :( good luck
[03:01] <uliwitness> Thanks.
[03:01] <aeth> just a thought... if it can't install the boot loader... does that suggest the MBR is write protected?
[03:01] <centyx> aeth: no
[03:02] <uliwitness> Hmm... I'll try the labels again, I guess, and if it works, then  good, and if not, I'll check out what other settings I can fiddle with.
[03:02] <BigAl> hi
[03:02] <aeth> hey AL
[03:03] <uliwitness> Maybe I'll need to try another kind of partition table or set up some other checkbox that makes it use the right format...
[03:03] <hardw1re> how do i search apt-get from console again?
[03:03] <BigAl> i was wondering if I could get a little help/advice here... I'm having problems with Ark
[03:03] <ThirdEyeSkweeky> CU 'round, all - I'm going now....
[03:04] <aeth> what's the problem BigAl?
[03:05] <uliwitness> Hmmm... LILO fails on installing MBR as well, probably something related to that.
[03:05] <aeth> you sure you don't have some funky bios setting to protect your MBR?
[03:06] <BigAl> when i start the app, it appears in the panel (Loading application....) but it never starts. After a few seconds it just seems to stop loading. I've tried typing 'ark' in the shell and i get the message "ERROR: Communication problem with ark, it probably crashed.". Up until now, ark has worked perfectly
[03:06] <aeth> uli: like AV protection on the mainboard or something...
[03:06] <aeth> hrmmm
[03:06] <uliwitness> aeth: It's a Mac. How would I know what funky protection stuff it comes with by default?
[03:06] <BigAl> i've removed and installed ark again via Adept but it doesn't seem to make a difference
[03:07] <aeth> upgraded/installed anything recently BigAl?
[03:07] <uliwitness> aeth: :-)
[03:07] <DeBert> Is it me, or is JavaScript support in Konqueror really buggy?
[03:07] <aeth> uli: good question...
[03:07] <BKaj> good morning all
[03:07] <BigAl> yeah, a few things actually.... gftpd... wine....
[03:08] <BigAl> the last thing before that was apache, mysql, php  but it was working fine after that
[03:08] <uliwitness> It just told me I was installing a boot sector in a dangerous place and it assumed I knew what I'm doing...
[03:08] <aeth> hrmmm
[03:08] <uliwitness> *sigh*
[03:08] <uliwitness> Guess I'll be reformatting that disk sooner rather than later ;-)
[03:08] <aeth> can you still gzip and tar from the CLI?
[03:09] <uliwitness> Right now everything seems to be still working.
[03:09] <BigAl> i don't know to be honest....
[03:09] <aeth> uli: can you get into BIOS on reboot (I have never owned a mac I don't know the key combo for this)
[03:09] <ThirdEyeSkweeky>  /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
[03:09] <BigAl> hang on, i'll download a gzip
[03:09] <uliwitness> Not sure... Strictly spoken it uses EFI.
[03:10] <aeth> Al: try to compress a file by typeing "tar- czvf yourfile.tar.gz yourfile.name" in the console
[03:10] <BKaj> Got a shut down prob ...monitor turns off but the ps doesn't ...just sits there , still turned on ...have to turn the power off manually
[03:10] <BKaj> err ps=pc
[03:10] <uliwitness> aeth: I know how to boot from other partitions, does that suffice? I'll look up how to get into EFI prompt.
[03:10] <BigAl> ok aeth, will do
[03:11] <hardw1re> what command do i use to search the repos' when using a shell command line?
[03:11] <aeth> uli: nah... I'm thinking pre-boot... on the machine post screen (where it counts your ram) you should have an option to enter the system setup (before OS loads)
[03:11] <hardw1re> !apt-get
[03:12] <ubotu> apt is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetHowto  -  Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[03:12] <aeth> uli: try hammering F2 or ALT+F2 or DEL or F1 to get into system setup
[03:12] <ThirdEyeSkweeky> !aptitude
[03:12] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[03:13] <BigAl> "tar- czvf yourfile.tar.gz yourfile.nam"    hmmm....
[03:13] <BigAl> oops
[03:13] <uliwitness> aeth: I don't get the count RAM screen. It's turned off by default.
[03:13] <BigAl> wrong paste
[03:13] <aeth> k
[03:13] <BigAl> "bash: tar-: command not found
[03:13] <BigAl> "
[03:13] <uliwitness> But usually at startup I can press alt to get a startup volume selector.
[03:13] <aeth> sorry mate... I've never worked with Macs... I'm guessing here
[03:13] <BigAl> hmm
[03:14] <uliwitness> Yeah, I know there's another key combo to get into EFI... Just can't find what it was right now.
[03:14] <aeth> BigAl: what's the output of which gzip
[03:14] <aeth> BigAl: what's the output of "which gzip"
[03:14] <BKaj> !logout
[03:14] <ubotu> I know nothing about logout - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[03:14] <BigAl> /bin/gzip
[03:14] <aeth> k
[03:14] <aeth> hrmm
[03:14] <BigAl> so I do have the package....
[03:15] <aeth> and when you type ark in a console... paste the message
[03:15] <BigAl> ERROR: Communication problem with ark, it probably crashed.
[03:15] <BigAl> hmm
[03:16] <BigAl> is it possible that ark could have crashed and broken a config file?
[03:17] <BigAl> something that wouldn't get removed when i uninstalled the package?
[03:17] <kbrooks> Hello!1
[03:17] <Healot> possible
[03:18] <aeth> BigAl: beats me mate... I just googled for your error message, and got one hit... no answers though
[03:18] <aeth> you say you tried reinstalling ark?
[03:18] <BigAl> yeah
[03:18] <BigAl> with Adept
[03:18] <BigAl> i've looked all the usual places.... google, ubuntuforums.org
[03:18] <aeth> try "sudo apt-get install ark" on the command line
[03:18] <BigAl> searched for ark support etc
[03:18] <aeth> then give it another go
[03:19] <BigAl> ark is already the newest version.
[03:19] <BigAl> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
[03:20] <aeth> try "sudo apt-get remove ark" on the command line
[03:20] <BigAl> haha - just did that
[03:20] <aeth> then "sudo apt-get install ark"
[03:20] <BigAl> and installed again
[03:20] <aeth> lol
[03:20] <aeth> and?
[03:20] <BigAl> same message when i called 'ark'
[03:20] <hardw1re> then maybe its a dependency that ark uses thats broken
[03:20] <aeth> could be...
[03:20] <BigAl> :-/
[03:20] <BigAl> sounds nasty...
[03:20] <aeth> lol
[03:20] <uliwitness> aeth: Hmmm... looks like this'll be a tad more complicated than I thought.
[03:20] <BigAl> heh
[03:21] <qbit> zlib not installed?
[03:21] <hardw1re> probably a library archive needs fixing or installing or something
[03:21] <uliwitness> I need to install an EFI shell first, before I can go into that to do BIOSy things...
[03:21] <BigAl> ok.... should i go to the ark site and check the listed dependancies?
[03:21] <aeth> uli: I googled... found you don't have a user accessible BIOS equivalent apparently??!!
[03:21] <BigAl> apt-get install them all?
[03:22] <uliwitness> Yes, I'd need to install rEFIt to get a shell into my EFI.
[03:22] <uliwitness> aeth: At least I now know why that web site suggested to install rEFIt. Their web site doesn't say what it actually is...
[03:23] <BigAl> wow.... 14 dependant packages.......
[03:23] <BigAl> bbiab :)
[03:23] <kbrooks> anyway
[03:23] <aeth> BigAl... you may try upgrading your packages to bring all the dependencies in line
[03:23] <BigAl> ah.... ok
[03:24] <uliwitness> aeth: Bah, it's too hot to be messing with stuff like that. I think I'll call it a day and try again some other time. Thanks for all the clues.
[03:24] <BigAl> apt-get upgrade?
[03:24] <uliwitness> aeth: One small step at a time, I guess.
[03:24] <aeth> BigAl; you could do that... it may take a while though
[03:24] <aeth> yup
[03:24] <aeth> good luck uli
[03:24] <BigAl> i'm prepared to give it a shot
[03:24] <BigAl> can't live without ark
[03:24] <aeth> lol
[03:25] <aeth> man tar al... I never use ark :P
[03:25] <BigAl> :)
[03:25] <BigAl> it's for all the stuff I get.... you know... stuff :)
[03:25] <BigAl> stuff tends to come in rar ;)
[03:25] <aeth> unrar
[03:25] <hardw1re> can tar extract .rar archives?
[03:26] <hardw1re> lol ok my question was answered by someone else' question lol
[03:26] <BigAl> lol
[03:26] <uliwitness> aeth: Thanks.
[03:26] <BigAl> as a n00b, it might be better if i try to fix what i've broken rather than just use something else
[03:26] <uliwitness> Now to reboot...
[03:26] <hardw1re> <3 klibido
[03:26] <aeth> true
[03:26] <BigAl> maybe
[03:26] <BigAl> :D
[03:26] <uliwitness> *waves* bye, folks.
[03:26] <BigAl> seeya
[03:26] <hardw1re> bye bye uliwitness
[03:27] <hardw1re> lol anyone watching star trek tng on bbc2?
[03:28] <aeth> nope... history channel atm
[03:28] <hardw1re> wow tng really is showing its age
[03:28] <kbrooks> hardw1re: eh?
[03:28] <hardw1re> it looks almost like the original ST
[03:28] <aeth> and my seven month old son (who's trashing the lounge around me)
[03:28] <hardw1re> LOL
[03:28] <hardw1re> kids eh
[03:29] <hardw1re> who'd 'ave em
[03:29] <hardw1re> apart from you :P
[03:29] <hardw1re> and my parents
[03:29] <aeth> yu huh
[03:29] <aeth> :)
[03:30] <hardw1re> is it me, or does kLibido give the wrong details, i have over 600mb in the download queue and its showing it as 600kb
[03:30] <hardw1re> lol
[03:31] <hardw1re> rabbits
[03:31] <aeth> apt-get rules...
[03:32] <aeth> I just installed kubuntu this morning... (came from SuSE 10.1) and I'm really impressed
[03:32] <BigAl> ok. i did apt-get install for all the dependancies with no joy :(
[03:32] <BigAl> alun@desktop:~$ ark
[03:32] <BigAl> ERROR: Communication problem with ark, it probably crashed.
[03:32] <BigAl> bah
[03:33] <aeth> try running it as root
[03:33] <aeth> i.e. sudo ark
[03:33] <BigAl> ah ok, hadn't thought of that
[03:33] <LjL> it works as user here
[03:33] <BigAl> nah, same
[03:33] <aeth> hrmmm
[03:33] <LjL> BigAl: what if you run it from alt+space?
[03:34] <BigAl> man i love katapult
[03:34] <BigAl> but no, just the same :)
[03:35] <LjL> i've just joined - is this just a problem with ark, or happens with other programs? what if ark is run by opening an archive file?
[03:35] <fabietto> hi
[03:35] <BigAl> hang on, ill paste the prob
[03:35] <fabietto> someone can help me to reconfigure kernel?
[03:35] <LjL> fabietto: reconfigure as in what, recompile?
[03:35] <fabietto> i must active the toshiba support
[03:36] <BigAl> when i start the app, it appears in the panel (Loading application....) but it never starts. After a few seconds it just seems to stop loading. I've tried typing 'ark' in the shell and i get the message "ERROR: Communication problem with ark, it probably crashed.". Up until now, ark has worked perfectly
[03:36] <fabietto> yes..:) sorry but i don't speak english very well
[03:36] <fabietto> :d
[03:37] <LjL> fabietto: well i don't know about toshiba support, but to recompile the kernel you need build-essential, libreadline5-dev, and obviously the kernel source, which you extract and then run "make menuconfig"... and then something like "make" followed by "make modules". but read the docs
[03:37] <Joel> what's the kubuntu alternative to "make"
[03:37] <fabietto> i have get down kernel source (apt-get install liux-kernel-source...)
[03:37] <LjL> Joel: hm, there is none. make is just a standard GNU (and not only) program, it's there in both ubuntu and kubuntu
[03:37] <fabietto> i have run make oldconfig
[03:38] <LjL> BigAl: try "sudo apt-get --reinstall install ark"
[03:38] <BigAl> when i try extract a file form the CLI i get
[03:38] <BigAl> "bash: tar-: command not found
 "
[03:38] <Joel> make doesn't work in Konsole.
[03:38] <RogueJediX> Anyone here have experience with proftpd?
[03:38] <Joel> at least not for me.
[03:38] <LjL> BigAl: "tar-"? you need a space between the command "tar" and the first option (starting possibly with "-")
[03:38] <fabietto> and make menuconfig, setting up the toshiba support
[03:38] <LjL> Joel: install build-essential
[03:38] <fabietto> so exit and save the conf
[03:38] <LjL> !tell joel about b-e
[03:39] <edison> hi can anyone help me with x server
[03:39] <LjL> !helpme
[03:39] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:39] <BigAl> i've removed and installed ark using apt-get and using Adept
[03:39] <BigAl> doesn't make a difference
[03:39] <RogueJediX> Or rather with ftp accounts?
[03:39] <fabietto> and lunch  make-kpkg clean
[03:39] <fabietto>  fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=toshiba.1.0 kernel_image
[03:39] <BigAl> also, i've apt-get install'd all the dependancies incase they were brokedn
[03:39] <BigAl> broken*
[03:40] <edison> y try to use kernel 686 but my graphical interface dont work, so what can i do?
[03:40] <fabietto> but after a lot of time, an error occour
[03:40] <Joel> ljl, I'm trying to compile wpa_supplicant so I can even get online.
[03:40] <LjL> fabietto: yes, that's probably a much better option than manually using the make commands. however i haven't been compiling a kernel for a long time, perhaps you could try "kernel compiling howto" on google
[03:40] <LjL> fabietto: what error?
[03:40] <aeth> what error edison?
[03:41] <fabietto> an error on the driver-usb
[03:41] <LjL> Joel: well, (k)ubuntu by default comes with no C compiler or whatever build tools, so you definitely need build-essential (which gives you gcc, make and more) to compile anything
[03:41] <LeeJunFan> BigAl: rm -f ~/.kde/share/config/arkrc
[03:41] <edison> well i try to use kernel for I686 but once it starts my graphical interface get mess up
[03:41] <fabietto> but i have used make oldconfig for use the current conf
[03:41] <nizoral> scasate l'intromissione sto cercando il canale kubuntu.it da file/entra nel canale e poi digito #kubuntu.it ma nella scheda risulto solo io; sono alle prime armi, cosa sto sbagliando? grazie so che qui vige l'inglese ma q. volta chiudete un occhio ciao
[03:41] <Joel> how on earth can I get that without net access?
[03:41] <LjL> fabietto: use the pastebin to post the actual error
[03:41] <LjL> !it
[03:41] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[03:41] <LeeJunFan> BigAl: may be something in ark's config that's screwed up - that should clear it back to defaults.
[03:41] <LjL> !pastebin
[03:41] <edison> y try to configure xserver but didnt work
[03:41] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[03:42] <BigAl> ty LeeJunFan
[03:42] <BigAl> i'll try it now
[03:42] <fabietto> dio grazias :D esiste il canale in italiano
[03:42] <fabietto> :D
[03:42] <LjL> nizoral: you need the /join command -- as in "/join #kubuntu-it"
[03:42] <aeth> as you know I had a similar problem earlier on. I fixed mine by changing the kernel parameters to include "vga=normal" in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:42] <LjL> fabietto: heh yep :P
[03:42] <LjL> dunno how many people are there right now though
[03:42] <aeth> while I was there I took out quiet and splash...
[03:42] <nizoral> thanks
[03:43] <BigAl> LeeJunFan: no joy with that one
[03:43] <BigAl> this is strane
[03:43] <BigAl> strange*
[03:45] <LeeJunFan> BigAl: got a .45?
[03:45] <LeeJunFan> :)
[03:45] <BigAl> haha
[03:45] <BigAl> no guns in scotland i'm afraid
[03:45] <BigAl> it's really got  me stumped
[03:46] <LeeJunFan> BigAl: no guns? how do you fix computers w/o guns? haha
[03:46] <BigAl> lol
[03:46] <BigAl> we just throw them out the window
[03:47] <edison> well i try configuring xserver but didnt work so.....
[03:47] <BigAl> ok, thanks for your help guys.
[03:47] <aeth> did you get my post ealier on edison
[03:47] <BigAl> i'll move on for now
 as you know I had a similar problem earlier on. I fixed mine by changing the kernel parameters to include "vga=normal" in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:47] <BigAl> bbye
[03:47] <aeth> cya Al
[03:47] <LeeJunFan> BigAl: have you been running any kde apps with sudo? rather than kdesu? running kde apps with sudo can fsck up permissions in /var/tmp and /tmp for kde stuff.
[03:47] <BigAl> oh
[03:48] <BigAl> eh
[03:48] <BigAl> i don't normally run apps with root permissions
[03:48] <BigAl> i was running gproftpd yesterday with sudo
[03:48] <BigAl> other than that.... and maybe wine..
[03:48] <LeeJunFan> BigAl: that shouldn't matter. Only kde applications cause that.
[03:49] <BigAl> k
[03:49] <BigAl> oh
[03:49] <BigAl> konqueror
[03:49] <BigAl> i ran that with sudo the other day
[03:49] <BigAl> that's a kde app :)
[03:50] <aeth> that could be it Al
[03:50] <LjL> konqueror as root... BRR!
[03:50] <BigAl> oh, very interesting
[03:50] <BigAl> haha
[03:50] <BigAl> very briefly
[03:50] <LeeJunFan> BigAl: that could cause it, but if ark worked since then it's probably not it. What you can do is 'sudo chown -R [username]  /var/tmp/kdecache-[username]
[03:50] <LjL> it's a bit like, dunno... internet explorer under wine as root with all permissions set :D
[03:51] <LeeJunFan> BigAl: and also 'sudo chown -R [username]  /tmp/kde-[username]  && sudo chown -R [username]  /tmp/ksocket-[username] '
[03:52] <Guest477> hiya all, looking to insall java on kubuntu, had no probs in ubuntu... what's different?
[03:52] <LeeJunFan> Guest477: nothing
[03:53] <Guest477> not fresh in my mind... worked on it yesterday... why can't i execute a .bin?
[03:53] <LeeJunFan> Guest477: the only diff between ubuntu and kubuntu is the default desktop environment. you could have simply installed kubuntu-desktop from within ubuntu to have kubuntu.
[03:53] <LjL> Guest477: possibly because it's not set as executable. "chmod +x filename"
[03:53] <BigAl> LeeJunFan: still no joy :-/
[03:53] <LeeJunFan> BigAl: hrm. beats me.
[03:53] <Guest477> ok done that
[03:54] <BigAl> well if it beats you guys, it sure beats me :)
[03:54] <Guest477> then sudo alien -1 blah blah
[03:54] <LjL> Guest477: alien? for a .bin?
[03:54] <Guest477> it gave me a script message
[03:54] <Guest477> no for the rpm
[03:54] <LjL> ah
[03:54] <LjL> what rpm though?
[03:54] <Guest477> need i add the script option to get it to go?
[03:54] <LjL> !rpm
[03:54] <BigAl> "sudo throw-pc-out-window"
[03:54] <ubotu> rpm is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous).
[03:55] <LjL> Guest477: what rpm is that?
[03:55] <Guest477> java :)
[03:55] <LjL> Guest477: you don't need an rpm for java
[03:55] <BigAl> you can convert rpm's to debs......
[03:55] <LjL> !java
[03:55] <Guest477> jre5-b-l-a-h
[03:55] <BigAl> right?
[03:55] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the runtime Sun Java install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[03:55] <Guest477> did that
[03:55] <LjL> !info sun-java5-jre
[03:55] <ubotu> sun-java5-jre: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0. In repository multiverse, is optional. Version 1.5.0-06-1 (dapper), package size 7169 kB, installed size 15768 kB
[03:55] <Guest477> as a matter of fast alien -d
[03:55] <Guest477> fast-fact :)
[03:56] <LjL> Guest477: except you don't *need* or *want* to use alien and convert an RPM
[03:56] <LjL> it comes as a .deb
[03:56] <Guest477> wgere is the repo?
[03:56] <LjL> !multiverse
[03:56] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[03:56] <LjL> Guest477: you need to enable it
[03:56] <Guest477> oh gotcha
[03:56] <BigAl> i need to leave this now before i give up on linux :)     thanks guys
[03:56] <BigAl> cya
[03:56] <Guest477> hehe
[03:56] <Guest477> chicken :)
[03:56] <Guest477> ~:>
[03:56] <Guest477> i like it
[03:56] <Guest477> just gotta get the finer points
[03:56] <LjL> Guest477: i usually use this method https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine
[03:57] <LeeJunFan> BigAl: later.
[03:57] <BigAl> i love kubuntu but this is driving me nutes
[03:57] <LjL> Guest477: however i suppose you can do it from Adept if you prefer
[03:57] <Guest477> bya al gl to you :)
[03:57] <LjL> Guest477: just remember to NEVER install an rpm or a non-Ubuntu package if you don't *absolutely* need to, and you're positively sure the package is not in the repos
[03:57] <BigAl> later LeeJunFan
[03:57] <LjL> !packages
[03:57] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, apt-cache, the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com  -  Ubuntu has about 18000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[03:57] <Guest477> thanks ljl, give me a little bit and ill haver going :)
[03:58] <Guest477> 18832 and counting :)
[03:58] <Guest477> i really appreciate it :)
[04:00] <confused> can someone help me?
[04:01] <aeth> go ahead and ask your question confused
[04:02] <confused> you can run shareaza in wine but to get the g1+g2 networks to connect it requires a file with I placed in the folder but it still wont work? im wondering if any of you did something different if you use shareaza anyways
[04:03] <Guest477> i just install gift from repos, not tried yet :)
[04:04] <Guest477> gtkgnutella is functional and decent
[04:04] <confused> well it seems simple but im wondering if im suppost to install it a certain way
[04:04] <confused> do you get g1 and g2?
[04:04] <confused> I like multinetwork p2ps :)
[04:04] <aeth> are their any alternative native linux apps for p2p that you could use confused?
[04:05] <confused> possibly but a few google searches proved that they dont have the networks I want in the program
[04:05] <Guest477> which networks?
[04:05] <confused> shareaza is already proved working under wine in ubuntu even
[04:06] <confused> gnutella 1 and gnutella 2 networks (g1+g2) <3
[04:06] <Guest477> super, if you want to mess... let me try gift   it has gnutella support via a plugin
[04:06] <Guest477> and edonkey and all that too
[04:07] <Guest477> nope
[04:07] <Guest477> gift would be long winded
[04:07] <aeth> http://www.gnutella.com/connect/
[04:07] <confused> were you just talking to yourself? im confused ;0 lol
[04:07] <aeth> they have five clients listed their
[04:07] <Guest477> gtk gnutella works, please bear in mind i don't use them really
[04:07] <Guest477> i downloaded 1 song with gtk-gnutella
[04:08] <Guest477> no probs with it :)
[04:08] <coachJ> when clicking on a link and you are asked the question, what do you want Firefox to do with this file...To what Dir do I browse to find the program I want to use?
[04:09] <aeth> which program you after?
[04:09] <coachJ> media player
[04:09] <confused> well if shareaza doesnt work I guess I have to do just g1 networked programs
[04:09] <coachJ> a media player
[04:09] <aeth> any particular one?
[04:09] <aeth> ok
[04:09] <coachJ> no
[04:10] <coachJ> arnt all apps in the same dir?
[04:10] <aeth> most stuff is in /usr/bin
[04:10] <aeth> (of the sort you want)
[04:10] <coachJ> thks i'll try
[04:11] <aeth> if you type "which myapp" (where myapp is the program you're looking for) at the console then you will see where it is
[04:12] <aeth> e.g. "which noatun" returns /usr/bin/noatun on my machine
[04:13] <coachJ> wow it worked, got wmv's playing in KMplayer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:13] <aeth> cool
[04:13] <Guest477> >ty aeth i will use that also :)
[04:13] <coachJ> thks
[04:13] <Guest477> g1 coach!
[04:14] <Guest477> :)
[04:14] <aeth> yw
[04:14] <coachJ> get the Win32 codecs
[04:14] <Guest477> i better get outta here or ill stay all day :)
[04:14] <aeth> hehe
[04:15] <Guest477> ty 4 ur help :)
[04:15] <coachJ> wives Hate that
[04:15] <Guest477> thank God Almighty im single :)
[04:15] <Guest477> ;)
[04:15] <aeth> fortunately I live with a she-geek :)
[04:15] <Guest477> have a great day! bya ~:>
[04:15] <aeth> we have side by side computers :P
[04:18] <aegeanlinux> aeth: poor thing ;)
[04:18] <aegeanlinux> is she smarter than you ?
[04:18] <aeth> about the same actually :)
[04:18] <aeth> and please don't pitty me... I wouldn't have it any other way :)
[04:21] <coachJ> Ok, one step closer to saying bye-bye to windoze!!!
[04:22] <aeth> hehe
[04:22] <coachJ> the community really needs to find a way to make getting info for things like easier!
[04:23] <aeth> I must confess... I still have windows, but I treat it like a playstation or something, nothing valuable on it, two partitions, one for the OS and on for the games I like
[04:23] <aeth> *one
[04:23] <coachJ> maybe expand the EasyUbuntu ubuntu
[04:23] <kbrooks> coachJ: ?
[04:23] <coachJ> I have a windoze machine but using it less and less
[04:24] <coachJ> I cant type
[04:24] <coachJ> yes
[04:24] <coachJ> kbrooks--what?
[04:25] <kbrooks> coachJ: expand EasyUbuntu how? btw, you can talk about it in #easyubuntu
[04:26] <coachJ> so that it gets a Linux machine to the functionality of a windows machine
[04:26] <Tommy2k4> how do i get xmms to auto go onto a certain desktop when i open it if it has no window border so i cant get into advanced app settings
[04:26] <coachJ> i don't know
[04:26] <kbrooks> coachJ: What minimum functionality should EasyUbuntu install when requested?
[04:27] <coachJ> well maybe add the win32 codecs for startes
[04:27] <kbrooks> coachJ: huh?  I'm off... cya all
[04:32] <coachJ> kbrooks:If I already have some of the stuff that Easyubuntu installs installed, will it hurt to run Easy?
[04:33] <kbrooks> coachJ: lol no
[04:33] <coachJ> thks, glad I could give you a laugh
[04:35] <Tommy2k4> how do i get xmms to auto go onto a certain desktop when i open it if it has no window border so i cant get into advanced app settings
[04:36] <kbrooks> coachJ: however, EU doesnt detect manual installs (if you didnt use a package)
[04:37] <coachJ> k
[04:39] <freddirkse> hi all.  hoping someone can give me some quick advice regarding a gcc rollback.
[04:40] <freddirkse> I'm using a stock kernel.  I have gcc 3.4.6 installed now and I need gcc 3.4.5.  I use VMWare and it insists that you use the same gcc that your kernel was compiled with.  Not sure how to roll gcc back to 3.4.5....
[04:41] <h3sp4wn> freddirkse: Are you using breezy ?
[04:43] <freddirkse> no h3sp4wn, Dapper
[04:44] <h3sp4wn> freddirkse: Your kernel wass compiled with 4.0 then
[04:44] <h3sp4wn> freddirkse: Unless you compiled your own in which case just recompile it
[04:45] <freddirkse> ...it's an smp kernel: 2.6.12-10-amd64-k8-smp
[04:45] <h3sp4wn> freddirkse: Well thats is a kernel for breezy
[04:45] <freddirkse> ...I don't see any updates to the SMP for amd64....
[04:46] <h3sp4wn> The normal k8 kernel supports smp
[04:46] <freddirkse> really!?  So if I upgrade to the most recent k8, I'll get both processors?  Do I need to do anything special, or will they just show up?
[04:48] <hardw1re> hmm i just installed unrar-free from the repos but still the unrar command doesnt work...
[04:50] <fabietto^> someone have a toshiba satellite A60 ? i have some problem with the toshiba acpi and toshiba modules
[04:51] <h3sp4wn> freddirkse: Nothing
[04:53] <freddirkse> great...downloading now. Thanks for the advice h3sp4wn!
[04:53] <mendred> hi does neone use d-link 502T router? have a problem..apt-get times out...
[04:55] <Tommy2k4`> well that took a turn for the worse
[04:56] <hardw1re> what do i need to install so then i can play .avi's ?
[04:57] <LjL> !tell hardw1re about restricted
[04:59] <hardw1re> <3 mplayer
[05:03] <Spiderman> where can i get the font "Comic Sans MS" for my openoffice
[05:05] <aegeanlinux> !pastebin
[05:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[05:06] <coachJ> why is this doing this---
[05:06] <coachJ> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/main libdc1394-13 1.1.0-3
[05:06] <coachJ>   Could not connect to us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (<IP_ADDRESS>), connection timed out
[05:07] <aegeanlinux> does that to me too!
[05:07] <aegeanlinux> (in Firefox_
[05:07] <aegeanlinux> * )
[05:09] <coachJ> anyone?
[05:10] <elbarto> hello...someone knows how to fix the accent problem with spanish keyboards in KTouch??
[05:11] <BKaj> howdy, trying to figure out why kubuntu shuts down with a pile of disk errors ..it has to fsck , when booting backup
[05:12] <coachJ> what are PLF repos?
[05:12] <kbrooks> how do I install 7zip
[05:13] <kbrooks> coachJ:they provide
[05:13] <LjL> kbrooks: aptitude install p7zip
[05:13] <coachJ> i think easy ubuntu will install 7zip
[05:13] <coachJ> what do they provide?
[05:13] <kbrooks> coachJ: i dont want to use  it
[05:13] <Hawkwind> !plf
[05:13] <ubotu> plf is the Penguin Liberation Front, see http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/doc/plf - mainly for i386 users with some packages for ppc
[05:13] <coachJ> k
[05:13] <kbrooks> coachJ: plf repos provide w32codecs
[05:13] <kbrooks> and so on
[05:14] <kbrooks> LjL: Package p7zip is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:15] <LjL> kbrooks: hm, i have it installed. do you have universe enabled?
[05:15] <aegeanlinux> !7z
[05:15] <LjL> !info p7zip
[05:15] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with file-roller (gnome) or ark (kde)
[05:15] <ubotu> p7zip: 7-Zip is a file archiver with high compression ratio. In repository universe, is optional. Version 4.30.dfsg-1 (dapper), package size 1413 kB, installed size 3784 kB
[05:15] <kbrooks> ah, LjL
[05:15] <kbrooks> I'llll add that. But how?
[05:15] <LjL> !universe
[05:15] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[05:15] <LjL> the second link has instructions
[05:16] <aegeanlinux> kbrooks: You understanding that?
[05:18] <kbrooks> aegeanlinux: Yes :-)
[05:18] <aegeanlinux> good ;)
[05:19] <reuben> anyone know what's up with the US package repos?
[05:19] <reuben> apt is timing out all over the place
[05:19] <aegeanlinux> reuben: maybe try changing to another mirror
[05:19] <aegeanlinux> or source or what ever **you's** call them
[05:19] <LjL> aegeanlinux, kbrooks: here Ark cannot open 7zip files unless p7zip itself is installed
[05:20] <aegeanlinux> LjL: Really? Mine doesn't need p7zip, unless I want to make a 7z file
[05:21] <aegeanlinux> LjL: Do you think 7z is better than gz and bz2?
[05:21] <aegeanlinux> ??
[05:21] <aegeanlinux> ???
[05:21] <aegeanlinux> ???
[05:21] <aegeanlinux> ????
[05:21] <aegeanlinux> ?????
[05:21] <aegeanlinux> ??????
[05:21] <aegeanlinux> ???????
[05:21] <Tm_T> aegeanlinux: never do that again
[05:22] <Tm_T> please behave
[05:22] <reuben> cool, found: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[05:22] <aegeanlinux> no one do what time does,
[05:25] <Jack12> hi
[05:26] <Jack12> who is into synchronisation with kontact ans sony ericsson mobiles?
[05:26] <Jack12> i just found the palm treo as working in the web
[05:27] <kbrooks> LjL: I addddded them, doesnt work
[05:28] <DA_> i currently have an amd64 system with dapper packages, is there a branch that has earlier version packages than dapper but will still work with amd64?
[05:32] <LouKall> hi
[05:32] <LouKall> i am a complete newb and i was wondering how i got things to print on my Dell 810 printer
[05:36] <LjL> aegeanlinux: it certainly compresses better than gzip, wouldn't know with respect to bzip2. kbrooks: have you done a sudo apt-get update?
[05:36] <LouKall> :l
[05:36] <coachJ> kbrooks
[05:36] <aegeanlinux> LjL: My Mum would compress better then gz
[05:36] <Gun_Smoke> looking to add weather to my desktop..
[05:37] <h3sp4wn> Gun_Smoke: Use a laptop and sit outside ?
[05:37] <coachJ> gun_smoke: Superkrumbe_liquid weather
[05:37] <Gun_Smoke> lol
[05:37] <LjL> Gun_Smoke: sudo aptitude install kweather
[05:38] <Healot> apt-get for god sake
[05:38] <coachJ> Gun_Smoke:SuperKrumba_liquid weather
[05:38] <LjL> Healot: why?
[05:38] <knapper> Help: I'm following a how to and in it it has 'exec gnome-session', what is the KDE equivalent to this?
[05:39] <kbrooks> ljl: i have fetched updates, but it didnt work
[05:39] <aegeanlinux> ummm kdeinit
[05:39] <LjL> kbrooks: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:40] <kbrooks> LjL: let me do in terminmal
[05:40] <knapper> What is the KDE equivalent to 'exec gnome-session'
[05:41] <aegeanlinux> knapper: kdeinit
[05:41] <kbrooks> knapper: kdeinit
[05:41] <coachJ> smoke did you get it?
[05:41] <knapper> ty
[05:41] <aegeanlinux> knapper: is anything wrong?
[05:41] <kbrooks> ljl:
[05:42] <aegeanlinux> wb Tommy2k4
[05:42] <kbrooks> 99% [Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com (<IP_ADDRESS>)]
[05:42] <kbrooks> LjL: ^
[05:42] <LjL> kbrooks: ?
[05:42] <knapper> aegeanlinux: nop
[05:42] <knapper> e
[05:42] <PokerFacePenguin> kbrooks: yeah, i am having probs with the repositories as well
[05:43] <coachJ> kbrooks: Now I see why you were so intrested in my view of Easy: I am reading your blog, it is a great app
[05:43] <aegeanlinux> knapper: OK, just making sure ;)
[05:43] <Tommy2k4> ty aegeanlinux
[05:43] <Tommy2k4> kubuntu just crashed again
[05:43] <LjL> kbrooks: your /etc/apt/sources.list file i what i wanted you to pastebin. but if you mean updating stops there, then perhaps you could just try different mirrors. someone was just saying that the US mirrors are misbehaving, again
[05:43] <kbrooks> are they down, PokerFacePenguin
[05:43] <CaBlGuY> mornin peeps..
[05:43] <PokerFacePenguin> kbrooks: not all of em, but they seem to be flakin
[05:44] <coachJ> yeah EasyUbuntu timed out because of the US mirrors
[05:44] <CaBlGuY> I was just gonna sak about the servers..    I tried an update and it timed out.
[05:44] <CaBlGuY> !flash 8
[05:44] <ubotu> I know nothing about flash 8 - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[05:45] <CaBlGuY> !flash
[05:45] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:45] <Tommy2k4> after all this time ive only just realised theres no sound coming out of left speaker lol
[05:46] <coachJ> me too
[05:47] <CaBlGuY> so, whats goin on with the servers then?
[05:47] <bgrimm> I'm having a strange system time issue with Kubuntu on VM ware Workstation, the clock is slow, very slow, it drifts behind even after 6 or 7 minutes. Anybody had any similar problems?
[05:48] <Tommy2k4> where can i set speaker balance to make it play out of only 1 speaker
[05:48] <aegeanlinux> Tommy2k4: Kmix?
[05:49] <CaBlGuY> yea, that..
[05:49] <CaBlGuY> just open the mixer..
[05:49] <Tommy2k4> found it
[05:49] <aegeanlinux> ;)
[05:49] <Tommy2k4> was wondering what the bar at the bottom was lol
[05:49] <Tommy2k4> my left speaker is b0rked
[05:49] <CaBlGuY> LOL
[05:49] <aegeanlinux> If that wan't an example of RTM
[05:49] <Tommy2k4> ;p
[05:50] <slayer> hi all
[05:50] <CaBlGuY> so, anyone any idea whats goin on with the servers??
[05:50] <aegeanlinux> slayer: welcome to #kubuntu - it's like #ubuntu in love with #kde that had a child that was 100x smarter
[05:51] <slayer> us.archive.ubuntu.com is not working, is there other servers I can use?
[05:51] <aegeanlinux> try eu.
[05:51] <aegeanlinux> au.
[05:51] <aegeanlinux> nl.
[05:51] <aegeanlinux> guesses
[05:51] <CaBlGuY> or,. just wait till it's back up..
[05:51] <CaBlGuY> :p
[05:51] <aegeanlinux> nl.archive.ubuntu.com works
[05:52] <aegeanlinux> no joke
[05:52] <CaBlGuY> if it's anywhere in the midwest, it may be a couple days cause of the storms..
[05:52] <kbrooks> what storms?
[05:52] <aegeanlinux> yeah ? what storms ?
[05:52] <CaBlGuY> kbrooks: you know, the storms that has left St. Louis with no power now for goin on 3 days.
[05:52] <CaBlGuY> :/
[05:52] <CaBlGuY> the whole midwest area..
[05:52] <kbrooks> CaBlGuY: i demand you give us a reliably proven source
[05:52] <CaBlGuY> actualy
[05:53] <slayer> really.. I guess I'm outta touch with the rest of the world :(
[05:53] <CaBlGuY> LOL
[05:53] <aegeanlinux> I live in Australia mate, I don't hear what goes on some where else
[05:53] <CaBlGuY> ok ok..  hang on.  sheesh!
[05:53] <aegeanlinux> but, seriuosly slayer nl.archive.ubuntu.com works
[05:53] <slayer> yeah, made the change it looks to be working so far..
[05:54] <aegeanlinux> and so does au.archive.ubuntu.com
[05:54] <slayer> Thanks a bunch
[05:54] <CaBlGuY> herew ya go.
[05:54] <CaBlGuY> http://www.usatoday.com/weather/storms/2006-07-20-st-louis-storms_x.htm
[05:54] <CaBlGuY> anything else ya need??
[05:54] <CaBlGuY> :)
[05:54] <slayer> a box of 100 dollar bills?
[05:55] <CaBlGuY> I'll take that as a no then...
[05:55] <slayer> hehe
[05:55] <CaBlGuY> ok, im off..  bbl
[05:55] <slayer> peace
[05:55] <CaBlGuY> lata
[05:56] <aegeanlinux> toodles CaBlGuY
[05:56] <slayer> nl is kinda slow, but that's 100% over the us server :)
[05:56] <aegeanlinux> :D
[05:59] <slayer> Fetched 2535kB in 3m45s (11.2kB/s)
[06:00] <aegeanlinux> Shite thats slow!
[06:01] <slayer> reminds me of the 2400bps days
[06:01] <LjL> err, if your 2400bps could do 11kB/s, then you definitely had quite a modem :)
[06:02] <slayer> hehe good point!
[06:08] <coachJ> does EasyUbuntu add to your sources or replace them?
[06:09] <coachJ> kbrooks: does EasyUbuntu add to your sources or replace them?
[06:10] <h3sp4wn> coachJ: Uses its own only specifically changes yours if asked to
[06:10] <Tommy2k4> ubuntu crashed twice in 5mins
[06:11] <coachJ> I see
[06:14] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: you kept moving the mouse i bet ? :)
[06:14] <aliasfred> well you should not :)
[06:15] <aliasfred> more seriously something is wrong somewhere, ubuntu is very stable here
[06:15] <LjL> here too, except when X decides to go rogue and start taking up all the RAM i have
[06:15] <LjL> or when some other program does
[06:15] <olrrai> hi
[06:15] <Tommy2k4> it flashes multicoloured lines then monitor gives the error freuqency out of range, 31khz/0hz
[06:16] <olrrai> kubuntu has hibernate option?
[06:16] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: this smell like graphic related issue, x driver - kernel stuff
[06:16] <Tommy2k4> any ideas
[06:17] <aliasfred> remove all the stuff one by one to replace them by 'safe choise'
[06:17] <aliasfred> once you got a stable system, reenable them
[06:17] <aliasfred> like run X in framebuffer
[06:17] <aliasfred> seems a good step in case of low level graphic issue
[06:18] <Tommy2k4> but it happens randomly after being booted up for hours usually
[06:18] <Tommy2k4> so even if i try a new solution ill never know if it worked until it crashes (or hopefully not)
[06:18] <aliasfred> if it doesnt freeze in framebuffer, it is another
[06:18] <aliasfred> try removing noapic nolapic acpi=off this kind of things
[06:18] <Tommy2k4> already tried them
[06:18] <aliasfred> remove the screen saver
[06:19] <Tommy2k4> none
[06:19] <Tommy2k4> power saving off
[06:19] <aliasfred> irqpoll ?
[06:19] <Tommy2k4> dunno that
[06:19] <olrrai> kubuntu has hibernate option?
[06:19] <aliasfred> ok paste "cat /proc/cmdline"
[06:20] <aliasfred> olrrai: yes somewhere :)
[06:20] <Tommy2k4> root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash
[06:21] <olrrai> when I shutdown the kubuntu kde ?
[06:21] <aliasfred> well i dont see all the 'safe cmdline option' there :)
[06:21] <olrrai> or install other packt?
[06:21] <aliasfred> i dont see the fb stuff either :)
[06:22] <rayblasdel> Wow, didn't expect so many people in the room. Any one else having problems connecting with the regular ubuntu repositories?
[06:22] <Tommy2k4> huh aliasfred
[06:23] <PokerFacePenguin> rayblasdel: yes on the repos
[06:23] <kbrooks> rayblasdel: everyone is
[06:23] <rayblasdel> ^.^ Well thats good to know.
[06:23] <Tommy2k4> hm my grub was overwrote sometime
[06:24] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: time to reenable then :)
[06:25] <Tommy2k4> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-26-386 root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash noapic nolapic acpi=off
[06:25] <Tommy2k4> is hat right
[06:25] <Tommy2k4> that*
[06:25] <zarel> .....
[06:25] <zarel> How do I install a .package file?
[06:25] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: add 'irqpoll' at the end too
[06:25] <Tommy2k4> done
[06:26] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: and be sure to run this one :) /proc/cmdline give you the boot option used for 'this boot'
[06:26] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: then you may try to disable apm, to run in framebuffer etc... until you get a stable system
[06:26] <Tommy2k4> apm?
[06:27] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: some old version of acpi, aka stuff to put part of your computer to sleep to save energy
[06:27] <Tommy2k4> how would i disable it
[06:29] <aliasfred> dunno, maybe noapm, else google or ask other people :)
[06:29] <aliasfred> but you get the principle ?
[06:30] <aliasfred> disable until you get stable, then reenable one by one to findout what is unstable, then fix the unstable stuff :)_
[06:32] <pierreth> hello, how can i know the version of linux i am using?
[06:32] <aliasfred> uname -a
[06:32] <Tommy2k4> to whoever was helping me: kubuntu crashed again :( gives me a chance to try my new boot options though
[06:32] <aliasfred> or uname -r
[06:33] <aliasfred> pierreth: this is the kernel version
[06:33] <pierreth> aliasfred: is there many kinds of version?
[06:33] <ubuntu_> hmm
[06:34] <aliasfred> pierreth: yes, all programs got version too
[06:34] <aliasfred> pierreth: version, version everywhere :)
[06:34] <pierreth> aliasfred: yes, but about the systeme itself?
[06:35] <aliasfred> system version doesnt mean much :)
[06:35] <aliasfred> much = nothing :)
[06:35] <Tommy2k4> who was helping me i forget :(
[06:35] <aliasfred> what do you wanna know exactly
[06:35] <pierreth> aliasfred: do i have the 2.4 of 2.6
[06:35] <aliasfred> pierreth: ok this is the kernel version, and uname -r will give the one you are running
[06:35] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: i was i think
[06:35] <Tommy2k4> lol
[06:36] <Tommy2k4> whats that command to see what options im running
[06:36] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: "cat  /proc/cmdline"
[06:36] <Tommy2k4> root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash noapic nolapic acpi=off irqpoll
[06:36] <pierreth> aliasfred: i have 2.6
[06:36] <Healot> that the kernel entry
[06:37] <Tommy2k4> maybe coincidental but the past couple times its crashed i was using find-file in konqueror
[06:37] <pablo_> hello
[06:37] <pablo_> hello all
[06:37] <knapper> can anyone here help me with xgl/compiz?
[06:37] <Tommy2k4> !xgl
[06:37] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[06:37] <pablo_> i am having trouble with djview
[06:37] <pablo_> having trouble with djview, can anyone help me
[06:37] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: good thing, try to do many in a row to see what happen
[06:38] <pablo_> hello all, can anyone help me troubleshoot djview?
[06:39] <pablo_> hello all, can anyone help me troubleshoot djview?
[06:39] <Jack12> has someone experience with sony mobiles and ubuntu?
[06:39] <KaiHanari> pablo_, please dont repeat yourself so often
[06:40] <pablo_> kaihanari, ok thanks
[06:40] <Healot> hey geeks... what's up, nah I am just damn bored
[06:40] <pablo_> healot
[06:40] <lingenfr> ?
[06:40] <pablo_> i could use your help if you are bored
[06:41] <lingenfr> Is the ubuntu us repository down today?
[06:42] <dr_willis_> lingenfr,  the whole internet is lagged.. must be a new EverQuest2 update. :)
[06:42] <pablo_> anyone can help me with djview trouble?
[06:43] <Hawkwind> pablo_: Why not state your problems/errors then someone might be able to
[06:43] <lingenfr> Otay, us.archive.unbuntu.com is a no-go everything is pretty good
[06:43] <Hawkwind> pablo_: Just asking for help isn't going to get you any help
[06:43] <Tommy2k4> crashed again
[06:43] <pablo_> ok thanks i am new to this
[06:43] <Hawkwind> lingenfr: Just remove the us.  and it will work
[06:44] <pablo_> djview just crashes when i start it, but also restarts the whole x session, taking me to the login screen
[06:44] <pablo_> i have a console error log
[06:45] <pablo_> QT Warning: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device .... bla bla
[06:46] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: do try "find /" in a terminal
[06:46] <pablo_> and after that?
[06:47] <pablo_> because that's just going to give me the whole listing of my hd
[06:47] <Tommy2k4> aliasfred, i had it crash 4 times in a row when finding file from konqueror
[06:47] <Tommy2k4> then i closed all my apps and it didnt happen
[06:48] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: try the command
[06:48] <Tommy2k4> i did
[06:48] <Tommy2k4> its owrking fine
[06:48] <pablo_> djview crashes and restarts x session
[06:48] <pierreth> how can i mount the volumes that i am not seeing?
[06:48] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: ok do 'locate slota'
[06:49] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: btw this is good. now you know how to reproduce the issue
[06:49] <Tommy2k4> but its not happening anymore
[06:49] <pablo_> djview crashes at starts
[06:49] <Tommy2k4> which kind of means 1 of the apps i use everyday is causing it
[06:49] <Healot> !info djview
[06:49] <ubotu> djview: Viewer for the DjVu image format. In repository universe, is optional. Version 3.5.16-1ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 417 kB, installed size 1208 kB
[06:49] <Tommy2k4> locate slota does nothing
[06:49] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: ok try 'man -k slota' then
[06:50] <Tommy2k4> slota: nothing appropriate.
[06:50] <aliasfred> hmmm
[06:50] <BluesKaj> !repositories
[06:50] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[06:50] <aliasfred> Tommy2k4: ok retry many search thru konqueror
[06:51] <naosv> !info quickcam
[06:51] <ubotu> Package quickcam does not exist in dapper
[06:52] <Healot> !quicke
[06:52] <ubotu> I know nothing about quicke - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[06:52] <Healot> !quickie
[06:52] <pablo_> thanks for your help pals
[06:52] <ubotu> I know nothing about quickie - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[07:00] <lingenfr> join #ubuntu
[07:00] <lingenfr> #join ubuntu
[07:00] <lingenfr> duh sorry
[07:00] <Tommy2k4> /join #ubuntu
[07:00] <Tm_T> hehe
[07:01] <Tm_T> lingenfr: well, you can't learn if you don't try ;)
[07:08] <Healot> damn #ubuntu bans torrers
[07:09] <Tm_T> ?
[07:09] <Tommy2k4> whered aliasfred go :(
[07:10] <ironfroggy> is there some way to tell if my laptop's hibernation facilities are failing? i have configured to hibernate when i close the lid, but often when i come back it seems to have either shutdown or not come out of hibernation properly.
[07:12] <z00m> greetings all =)
[07:12] <Healot> greeting, earthlings
[07:12] <hardw1re> :o
[07:12] <hardw1re> he must be talking to you
[07:14] <Ace2005> hey all
[07:14] <Ace2005> abattoir: hi i'm back again
[07:15] <Ace2005> abattoir:  Does the problem with XFS exsist with the alternative install CD?
[07:15] <z00m> anyone know how i can stop the smtp mail server on my box, i dont want anything open
[07:16] <abattoir> Ace2005: As i told you before, the problem is not w/ the installer, the problem is that GRUB and XFS dont like to live together
[07:16] <abattoir> Ace2005: in the alternate CD, you can avoid the problem by choosing lilo instead of GRUB
[07:16] <Ace2005> abattoir: oh yea i forgot that
[07:17] <gatekeeper> been saving this one for you z00m :-) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[07:17] <h3sp4wn> Ace2005: You could try building a later version of grub
[07:17] <Ace2005> abattoir: does lilo have to have /boot in the first 1024 cylinders or something?
[07:17] <Ace2005> h3sp4wn: how do i do that?
[07:17] <Healot> not for the most recent LiLO
[07:18] <z00m> gatekeeper: thanks allot, really thankfull for remembering my problems ;)
[07:18] <abattoir> Ace2005: nope, lilo works in a different way
[07:18] <h3sp4wn> Ace2005: Read the documentation on the grub site - install build essential
[07:18] <abattoir> h3sp4wn: technically speaking, XFS should work with the grub version in dapper
[07:18] <gatekeeper> z00m: that's ok :-)
[07:18] <abattoir> h3sp4wn: but it doesnt
[07:18] <abattoir> !info grub
[07:18] <ubotu> grub: GRand Unified Bootloader. In repository main, is optional. Version 0.97-1ubuntu9 (dapper), package size 353 kB, installed size 748 kB
[07:18] <h3sp4wn> abattoir: Thats is what I thought but maybe it actually is fixed in the later version
[07:18] <h3sp4wn> !info grub edgy
[07:19] <ubotu> grub: GRand Unified Bootloader. In repository main, is optional. Version 0.97-11ubuntu6 (edgy), package size 358 kB, installed size 760 kB
[07:19] <jhak88> h3sp4wn: How do I put my dhclient into booting so I don't have to type that command every time?
[07:19] <h3sp4wn> jhak88: I don't know what you are talking about
[07:19] <abattoir> h3sp4wn: i asked the devs, and they said it is better to stay clear of Grub and XFS because, even if it works, it is not reliable...
[07:19] <Ace2005> abattoir and h3sp4wn: so it should be ok if i just pick lilo right?
[07:20] <abattoir> Ace2005: yes, that should work
[07:20] <jhak88> h3sp4wn: Every time I want to set my wireless, I have to use this command: (sudo dhclient eth1)
[07:20] <jhak88> h3sp4wn: but I don't want to manually type them every time after I boot in order to use my internet
[07:20] <Ace2005> abattoir : so can i use custom images and stuff with lilo like on grub?
[07:20] <h3sp4wn> Jhak88: There is a bug with dhclient3
[07:21] <jhak88> h3sp4wn: so I can't put dhclient on the boot?
[07:21] <abattoir> Ace2005: sure... if you mean splash screens.... yes
[07:21] <Ace2005> abattoir: yea thats what i mean,
[07:21] <Ace2005> Thanks all, i'll try installing now, bye
[07:21] <abattoir> Ace2005: you can even have animated splash screens if you want :)
[07:21] <h3sp4wn> Jhak88: You set it up from /etc/network/interfaces - just adding pre-up sleep 5 or some such fixes it (or use a newer version of dhclient3
[07:22] <Ace2005> abattoir: wait a sec, so whats teh catch? if its so good ubuntu should be using it as default but it isn't
[07:22] <jhak88> h3sp4wn: (I'm using linux for first time) so how do I exactly do that??? O_O
[07:23] <abattoir> Ace2005: well, there are adv. and disadv. w/ both.. for eg., lilo doesnt work at all in my laptop, if i pass acpi cheatcodes, it works most of the time, but fails once in a bluemoon
[07:23] <abattoir> Ace2005: on the other hand GRUB just works fine
[07:23] <h3sp4wn> Ace2005: I would avoid xfs unless you have a really good reason for needing to use it
[07:23] <abattoir> Ace2005: so its difficult to say one is better than the other, but individual users of course have their own preferences
[07:24] <ubuntu_> hola a todos
[07:24] <h3sp4wn> abattoir: The only filesystem with a worse track record than xfs for crashes recently is reiser4
[07:24] <Ace2005> h3sp4wn: i was trying to install to reiser4 before xfs :(
[07:24] <abattoir> h3sp4wn: indeed, but they are fast too arent they?
[07:25] <ubuntu_> tengo un problema con la instalacion de kubuntu 6.06
[07:25] <ubuntu_> en la etapa 5 no me muestra la particiones de mi disco
[07:25] <h3sp4wn> abattoir: I use / - as reiser3
[07:25] <h3sp4wn> abattoir: I think that is a reasonably safe compromise
[07:25] <abattoir> h3sp4wn: maybe in day to day tasks you may not notice... but when using heavy apps that do constant read/write, i've noticed them to be faster
[07:26] <Ace2005> h3sp4wn: the last time i used reiser3 it took ages to mount so i changed to ext3, why did you choose it?
[07:26] <h3sp4wn> abattoir: reiser3 is faster then xfs for small files
[07:26] <ponce> hola mundo
[07:26] <ubuntu_> hola ponce
[07:26] <ubuntu_> podrias ayudarme?
[07:26] <ponce> buen dia
[07:26] <abattoir> h3sp4wn: the reason i dont use reiser 3 is when i shutdown the system improperly, the filesystem gets screwed... partition is trashed for me
[07:26] <Hawkwind> !es
[07:26] <ubuntu_> tengo un problema con la instalacion de kubuntu 6.06
[07:26] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:27] <ubuntu_> en la etapa 5 de la instalacion no se muestran la particiones de mi disco
[07:27] <h3sp4wn> abattoir: I heard that that happened but I do similar things and it hasn't happened to me yet (however /home is on another disk and ext3 so it is less important)
[07:27] <abattoir> h3sp4wn: hence i stick w/ XFS and reiser4. but then each of us have our preferences, dont we? :)
[07:27] <ubuntu_> thanks
[07:28] <jhak88> h3sp4wn: (I'm using linux for first time) so how do I exactly do that??? O_O
[07:28] <Healot> !migrating
[07:28] <ubotu> I know nothing about migrating - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[07:29] <Ace2005> !xfs
[07:29] <ubotu> I know nothing about xfs - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[07:29] <Ace2005> !reiser4
[07:29] <ubotu> I know nothing about reiser4 - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[07:29] <Ace2005> well thats just great
[07:29] <h3sp4wn> jhak88: I don't agree with people asking me things specifically by name when I have had no contact with them previously sorry (think its annoying)(
[07:30] <couquinoux> bonjour!
[07:30] <abattoir> !fr
[07:30] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[07:31] <Healot> vous probleme, couquinoux?
[07:31] <couquinoux> bonjour
[07:31] <couquinoux> oui moi probleme
[07:32] <couquinoux> je suis nouveau sur linux
[07:32] <couquinoux> depuis1h...
[07:32] <couquinoux> et j'essaie dsesprment d'installer xchat
[07:41] <Tommy2k4> i think i discovered the source of my crash
[07:46] <ponce> hola
[07:48] <Ace2005> Hey look what i found: reiser4 does full data journaling. full data journaling. Not even little writeback cheats like ext3 does. FULL data journaling!
[07:49] <Rahab> they need ZFS for ubuntu.
[07:49] <h3sp4wn> Ace2005: I know someone who has lost everything 4 times within 6 months using reiser4
[07:50] <Ace2005> h3sp4wn: where is the fun if you don't risk it?
[07:50] <Ace2005> mount /dev/hdxN /mnt/new -o noatime: what does the -o adn noatime mean?
[07:51] <h3sp4wn> Ace2005: I do risk alot of stuff - the kernel supports it - so you could install via debootstrap
[07:52] <Ace2005> whats debootstrap? google define shows nothing
[07:52] <Tommy2k4> i think the crash i keep getting where monitor says "frequency out of range 31khz/0hz" is something to do with media players / xine / alsa / whatever
[07:53] <h3sp4wn> !info debootstrap
[07:53] <ubotu> debootstrap: Bootstrap a basic Debian system. In repository main, is extra. Version <IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 47 kB, installed size 240 kB
[07:53] <Ace2005> doesn't help, what does it do?
[07:55] <Guest477> hello, are there any repos down right now?
[07:55] <Tommy2k4> us archives
[07:55] <Guest477> i am having trouble reinstalling java re
[07:55] <Tommy2k4> are down
[07:55] <Tommy2k4> or were
[07:55] <Guest477> ok
[07:56] <Ace2005> It would be cool to have !server-stats to see how the repos are, or a link on the homepage
[07:56] <Guest477> in you opinion will reinstalling java runtime install the plugin in firefox.. just installed firefor and of course jave is preinstalled in konquer
[07:56] <Guest477> which will not play java games at yahoo or pogo
[07:56] <Guest477> firefox :) not firefor
[07:57] <Guest477> ?
[07:57] <Guest477> tommy2k4 :)
[07:57] <ponce> i new in ubunto Ihave instaljava?
[07:58] <gnomefreak> !java
[07:58] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the runtime Sun Java install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[07:58] <Guest477> yses thankl you :) i am farmilliar lol
[07:58] <Guest477> guess ill figure it out thank you :)
[07:59] <ponce> thanks
[08:00] <Ace2005> Ok thanks for the help, i'm off to just give it a go, for like the 5th time in two days, thanks for the help
[08:00] <Guest477> gl ace :)
[08:01] <Guest477> is there any way to play yahoo games in konqueror, as i can in firefox on this machine with ubuntu ?
[08:02] <MilhousePunkRock> When I suspend my laptop to RAM either with Fn-F4 or from the KPowersave menu, the "mouse" doesn't work any more when I wake it up again...
[08:04] <Guest477> usb mouse?
[08:04] <Guest477> or ps2
[08:04] <Guest477> <MilhousePunkRock
[08:05] <MilhousePunkRock> The TrackPoint of my IBM Laptop that is...
[08:05] <Guest477> uh oh, not sure of any very specifics, but i had problems on my dell latitude
[08:06] <Guest477> google mouse drift latitude and see what u think
[08:06] <KubuntuNoob> Can anyone help me out? I want to 100% Remove wine and wine installed programs from my computer.
[08:06] <Guest477> i recommend a diff pointi ng device if u can
[08:06] <KubuntuNoob> And I'm not sure how
[08:06] <Guest477> <MilhousePunkRock
[08:06] <MilhousePunkRock> I've been told it's an X Problem, Guest477
[08:06] <Guest477> true
[08:06] <MilhousePunkRock> The "Protocol" used in the xorg.conf is ImPS2
[08:07] <MilhousePunkRock> If I restart X it's fine again
[08:07] <KubuntuNoob>  As I said, Can anyone help me? I want to 100% Remove Wine and programs installed with it.  What is the command to do this?
[08:07] <MilhousePunkRock> I someone _can_ help you, someone will... No need to ask twice.
[08:08] <KubuntuNoob> kk
[08:08] <Guest477> KubuntuNoob > how did you setup wine in the beginning?
[08:08] <der_daniel> !nvidia
[08:08] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:08] <gnomefreak> KubuntuNoob: sudo apt-get remove --purge wine   than you have to uninstall everything else one by one (if you mean the windows apps)
[08:08] <Guest477> kewl thanks gnomefreak :)
[08:08] <gnomefreak> KubuntuNoob: just have to remove the .exe files
[08:09] <KubuntuNoob>  Alright, Purging wine thanks ^^
[08:09] <Hotwired> "/j #debian
[08:09] <KubuntuNoob>  It claims wine is not installed, I built from source; Is there a different way to remove it?
[08:11] <KubuntuNoob>  I downloaded the source off of source forge, did a apt-get for the build deps, did a ./configure, a make, and a make install.
[08:12] <gnomefreak> KubuntuNoob: sudo dpkg -r
[08:12] <Tsed> KubuntuNoob: make uninstall should clear what was installed with make install.
[08:13] <KubuntuNoob>  Tsed: So I go into my wine source folder and make uninstall?
[08:13] <syke> hi
[08:13] <Tsed> KubuntuNoob: Yep.
[08:13] <syke> I am interested in funding some development for KUbuntu 6.10
[08:13] <syke> I sent an email to canonical, but never heard back
[08:13] <syke> can anyone suggest other ways I could do this?
[08:13] <Tsed> KubuntuNoob: Will probably need sudo, depending on where oyu installed to.
[08:14] <syke> I would like a paid support contract
[08:14] <KubuntuNoob>  Tsed: I'll put sudo in
[08:14] <CaBlGuY-away> servers fixed yet?
[08:15] <Dasnipa`> syke, http://www.ubuntu.com/support/paid
[08:15] <Tsed> syke: Who did you email<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[08:15] <syke> Dasnipa`: yes, that is how I contacted them before
[08:16] <syke> tsed: yes
[08:16] <syke> I got an RT tracking #, but it didn't do a lot of good :/
[08:16] <gnomefreak> its the weekend they are most likely at home
[08:16] <syke> I contacted them about 2 months ago now
[08:16] <gnomefreak> oh and can we move this to #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:16] <syke> er
[08:17] <syke> it's pretty on-topic, isn't it? I'd like to pay to get some bugs fixed :)
[08:18] <gnomefreak> syke: no
[08:18] <syke> weird
[08:18] <Dasnipa`> imo its ontopic
[08:18] <syke> what does 'kubuntu support channel' mean, then?
[08:18] <syke> I'm very confused
[08:19] <Dasnipa`> i think gnomefreak's suggestion can be safely ignored... your discussion is on-topic
[08:19] <gnomefreak> syke: no offerng to contribute money to ubuntu has nothing to do with kubuntu tech support
[08:19] <syke> Dasnipa`: ok :)
[08:19] <Dasnipa`> gnomefreak, paid tech support is what hes asking about
[08:19] <syke> for kubuntu, specifically
[08:19] <syke> as that is what I am running :)
[08:19] <gnomefreak> Dasnipa`: this channel has no paid tech support
[08:20] <gnomefreak> Dasnipa`: IRC has no paid tech support
[08:20] <syke> please let this not be like #debian :(
[08:20] <gnomefreak> syke: i asked you to move it to -offtopic please do so
[08:20] <syke> wait a minute
[08:21] <syke> your nick has 'gnome' in it
[08:21] <syke> isn't that off-topic for kubuntu, which is KDE-base? ;>
[08:21] <gnomefreak> syke: this channel is for sixing kubuntu issues
[08:21] <Lynoure> There is some elves around, too
[08:21] <gnomefreak> s/sixing/fixing
[08:21] <syke> great!
[08:21] <syke> I have issues that need fixing!
[08:21] <syke> like my wireless doesn't work on book
[08:21] <syke> or after resume
[08:22] <syke> I have to manually do the iwconfig and dhcp
[08:22] <gnomefreak> syke: thats ontopic but what you do with your money is not
[08:22] <syke> I really do not understand
[08:22] <syke> I like kubuntu and want it to succeed, I file meaningful bug reports and go through some lengths to make sure problems can be fixed
[08:23] <syke> in addition to wanting to fund the development of those fixes
[08:23] <KubuntuNoob>  All:  I need an opinion, I'm thinking of subscribing to transgaming to get Cedega, but is it worth it? As, I cannot manage to get WoW To run via wine.
[08:23] <syke> I have some bugs
[08:23] <syke> I'd like to see them fixed
[08:23] <Tsed> In any case, trying to get him in contact with the people he needs seems a bit more on topic than arguing over the details of something slightly off-topic. ;p
[08:23] <gnomefreak> syke: filing bugs fixing bugs is fine sponsering money is not <ends here>
[08:23] <syke> Kubuntu: my husband never had luck wine Cedega -- crashed quite a bit. CrossOver is more stable, but not game-oriented yet :/
[08:23] <syke> ok
[08:24] <Lynoure> hmm.
[08:24] <Dasnipa`> KubuntuNoob, pretty worth it... i use cedega and it works very nice plus you can drop the subscription ater 3 months and the product is yours
[08:24] <Tsed> KubuntuNoob: Check the Cedega site to see how well WoW works... and go from there.
[08:24] <syke> gnome: ok, thanks for reminding me that some thing never change in the debian community.
[08:24] <Tommy2k4> !xgl
[08:24] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[08:25] <syke> it's almost like someone got people together and thought
[08:25] <syke> "hey, let's figure out how to alienate users and be overly pedantic on things -- that will slow down the adoption of linux!"
[08:25] <Dasnipa`> KubuntuNoob, i also think there there is something on the ubuntu site about a wine package specifically for WoW
[08:26] <KubuntuNoob>  All: How often does Cedega get updated? Is it worth keeping a subscription after the 3 months?     Dasnipa: I tried it, it doesn't work for me
[08:27] <Dasnipa`> KubuntuNoob, cedega is updated rather often but if you arent playing the newest of the new games it shouldnt matter a ton. the transgaming acct allows you to vote on what features and game support they add
[08:30] <KubuntuNoob>  Dasnipa', I think I might get an account, Though, The idea of paying multiple monthly fees for WoW And Cedega is quite a pain
[08:31] <Dasnipa`> KubuntuNoob, cedega works thru worldpay which automatically renews your account until you specifically cancel it
[08:32] <KubuntuNoob>  I'll register an account later today likely than, I want to get back to WoW As I have a raid tonight = \
[08:32] <gnomefreak> wow runs on wine ;)
[08:33] <BluesKaj> !beerkoid
[08:33] <ubotu> I know nothing about beerkoid - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[08:33] <Tsed> Anyone know if compiz-kde is anywhere near usable yet? (or even if it's still being developed?)
[08:34] <gnomefreak> Tsed: its useable but pretty much unstable
[08:34] <KubuntuNoob>  Gnomefreak: If you're willing to help me get it to work that'd be great, but I tried earlier today based on a guide and it didn't work, the installer froze when I would click the install button
[08:34] <BluesKaj> !repositories
[08:34] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[08:34] <syke> anyone else having trouble connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.cIT'LL om
[08:35] <syke> ?
[08:35] <gnomefreak> syke: they are down
[08:35] <gnomefreak> !wow > KubuntuNoob
[08:35] <gnomefreak> KubuntuNoob: ive only done it once adn that was to test something for someone
[08:37] <KubuntuNoob>  gnomefreak: I tried that guide, though, I guess I'll give it one more chance
[08:37] <gnomefreak> KubuntuNoob: build wine is your best bet btw
[08:38] <Tsed> gnomefreak: Why bother?  Shouldn't the latest debs from winehq do the same thing?
[08:38] <KubuntuNoob>  gnomefreak: I DID build it last time, I'm trying downloading their prepatched WoW One now
[08:38] <Tsed> http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb < Like so?
[08:38] <gnomefreak> Tsed: i always buily it but they say it runs better if you build it
[08:40] <Tsed> Hmm.  I dunno, that seems kinda superstitious to me, but whatever floats your boat. :)
[08:40] <Tommy2k4> i think the crash i keep getting where monitor says "frequency out of range 31khz/0hz" is something to do with media players / xine / alsa / whatever
[08:41] <Ace2005> h3sp4wn and abattoir: hi again, the install went perfectly and everything is working ok
[08:41] <Ace2005> i used xfs in the end
[08:47] <Ace2005> Oh man i forgot how long it takes to get a fresh install up and running :(
[08:48] <KubuntuNoob>  All: World of warcraft is now installing, I had to let it stay at the vrozen screen for 6 mins.  The EULA Is appearing in symbols, I'll read it later ; )
[08:49] <Sarnuial> there's a Linux ver of Wow?
[08:49] <gnomefreak> !wow
[08:49] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[08:50] <Sarnuial> cool
[08:50] <Sarnuial> oh wait
[08:50] <Sarnuial> there's nothing there?
[08:51] <larson9999> google earth is kinda cool
[08:51] <Sarnuial> oh
[08:51] <Sarnuial> just had 2 wait for it to load...
[08:51] <Sarnuial> wow lots there
[08:51] <Sarnuial> !
[08:51] <ubotu> I know nothing about ! - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[08:55] <|KOF|Panik> Does anyone know if the screensaver autostart for KDE has been fixed?
[08:56] <Tommy2k4> !xgl
[08:56] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[08:58] <Sarnuial> can i have some help getting my live cd to boot?
[08:58] <Sarnuial> i stick it into the machine i have prepaired
[08:58] <Sarnuial> and it gets as far as mounting root file system then stops
[08:59] <Sarnuial> i used f6 to get boot options
[08:59] <Sarnuial> and nuked "quiet" and "splash"
[08:59] <coachJ> is set to boot from the CD bios
[08:59] <Sarnuial> yes
[08:59] <Sarnuial> it boots up to mounting root file system
[08:59] <Sarnuial> and it seemes to be getting stopped at loading the usb
[08:59] <|KOF|Panik> Does anyone know if the screensaver autostart for KDE has been fixed?
[08:59] <Sarnuial> i tried debian-installer/probe/usb=false
[08:59] <Sarnuial> but it doesnt do anything :(
[09:00] <coachJ> did check to if the Cd was good (MD5 checksum)
[09:00] <Sarnuial> no i havnt
[09:00] <Sarnuial> but it works in another computer fine
[09:00] <coachJ> got to be the bios
[09:00] <coachJ> look there again
[09:00] <Sarnuial> so i should flash it to a newer version?
[09:00] <Sarnuial> because it boots the cd
[09:00] <coachJ> did say that,
[09:01] <Sarnuial> i get the casper boot menu
[09:01] <coachJ> anyone else help him?
[09:06] <Sarnuial> im off to flash my bios...
[09:06] <coachJ> good luck
[09:06] <Sarnuial> who do i blame if something goes wrong? ;)
[09:07] <coachJ> not I
[09:07] <Tm_T> me
[09:07] <Sarnuial> fortunatily the machine's an old pII
[09:07] <Sarnuial> so its not worth much if i kill it...
[09:07] <Tm_T> you can always blame me
[09:07] <Sarnuial> ok then :D
[09:07] <coachJ> look 4 u here ltr
[09:08] <Sarnuial> no
[09:08] <Sarnuial> ill still be on
[09:08] <Sarnuial> all the time
[09:08] <coachJ> k
[09:08] <Sarnuial> its not this machine im flashing...
[09:08] <Tm_T> damn
[09:08] <coachJ> haha
[09:08] <Tm_T> I mean, err, good to hear
[09:09] <Sarnuial> lol
[09:09] <Sarnuial> BSOD!
[09:09] <Sarnuial> ack!
[09:09] <Sarnuial> bad floppy...
[09:09] <Sarnuial> dangit
[09:09] <Tm_T> hehe
[09:11] <Sarnuial> i hate windoze...
[09:11] <BluesKaj> actually old machines are perfect for linux .
[09:11] <Sarnuial> yeah
[09:11] <Sarnuial> i know
[09:11] <Sarnuial> which is why im using this one
[09:11] <Sarnuial> i just meant
[09:11] <Sarnuial> that it wouldnt be my main machine
[09:11] <Sarnuial> i lost
[09:11] <Sarnuial> if the flash went badly
[09:12] <Sarnuial> the only thing im worried about
[09:12] <Sarnuial> is KDE + 400MHz + 128Mb RAM
[09:12] <Sarnuial> <_<
[09:12] <osiris> Sarnuial, im running kubuntu on exactly those specs
[09:12] <aztun> Sarnuial: xubuntu is great for that machine
[09:12] <Sarnuial> glad to hear that
[09:12] <Sarnuial> :phew:
[09:13] <KubuntuNOOB>  I have installed world of warcraft, and it runs.  Though, there is no sound.  And when I go to the audio tab in winecfg it crashes.  Does anyone know how I can fix this?
[09:15] <BluesKaj> the speed is fine, the memory may slow things doen some
[09:15] <BluesKaj> down
[09:16] <Sarnuial> brb
[09:17] <xtacocorex> anyone using konversation have problems with dcc?
[09:17] <coachJ> what is dcc?
[09:18] <xtacocorex> direct connect through irc
[09:18] <xtacocorex> coachJ: you have to be registered on freenode for it to work
[09:18] <coachJ> i see
[09:18] <andrew__> Hey does anyone know how to get rid of a quake4demo in linux?
[09:19] <BluesKaj> is it in the k-menu ?
[09:20] <andrew__> No I can't find it in there.
[09:20] <BluesKaj> desktop?
[09:21] <Sarnuial> flash in progress...
[09:21] <BluesKaj> andrew,you can use the kde menu editor / highlight the item/ edit/ delete/ save
[09:23] <markc_> wow, I just did a debootstrap edgy from a gentoo partition (of all things) and now I have what seems like quite a stable system... more stable (for me) than upgrading from dapper
[09:24] <Sarnuial> dangit, how many dud disks do i have?
[09:24] <Sarnuial> it cant read the sectors with the new bios on it...
[09:24] <Sarnuial> ugh.
[09:25] <andrew__> i tried it's not on the menu.
[09:26] <andrew__> it's not a really big deal but would like to know to unistall things
[09:26] <markc_> andrew__: deb packages ?
[09:27] <Sarnuial> gtg
[09:27] <cpk2> andrew__: how did you install it?
[09:27] <JonTec> Is it possible to bridge network connections in Dapper?
[09:27] <andrew__> it was the quake4 demo
[09:28] <bgrimm> Is everyone else still having trouble with the package servers? I just noticed I still hang in synaptic.
[09:28] <markc_> JonTec: bridge-utils ?
[09:28] <cpk2> andrew__: how did you install the demo?
[09:28] <crimsun> bgrimm: work fine here.
[09:29] <andrew__> it was a file that I sh in konsole
[09:29] <cpk2> andrew__: self installer?