 @Sheld0n_Cooper [Sheld0n_Cooper was added by: joeth], Bazinga
 @joeth [Bazinga], Double bazinga😂
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 @Ramasai [Double bazinga😂], If he stays in character he will be banned after about five minutes 😜
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 Hi guys can someone help me here
 @Bharatwaj.S [Hi guys can someone help me here], What assistance do you need?
 @Stereofont [What assistance do you need?], I have a old Nvidia tegra note 7 tab running on Nvidia Tegra 4 soc. Is there any chance of installing ubuntu on that. Because still that thing has ton of horsepower
 Is there a linux gsi other than ubuntu
 there is hybris-mobian project, but it's not ready for regular users
 @NotKit [there is hybris-mobian project, but it's not ready for regular users], Is there for sailfish os?
 no
 Ok thanks for support
 @Bharatwaj.S [I have a old Nvidia tegra note 7 tab running on Nvidia Tegra 4 soc. Is there any …], 1GB of RAM would struggle. It wouldn't be a very sensible device to port to. Aim for at least 1.5GB now but more, for future proofing
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 Charmingly!!!! … I taked my frее Еtherеum! … Checckk:  https://bit.ly/2M2ftSj
 @Stereofont [1GB of RAM would struggle. It wouldn't be a very sensible device to port to. Aim …], Still it is very capable to run ubuntu apart from 1 gb ram. I don't know how to do. Can you guide me please
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 1GB of RAM lets me imply that it's also running an old kernel. There are minimum requirements and old kernels don't cut it anymore
 What will do Ubuntu touch in the future with online banking? There are nog banking apps in the openstore like ING, ABN, RABO in the netherland. In the future more and more banks will stop paying transactions without a mobile or app.
 @MichielP80 [What will do Ubuntu touch in the future with online banking? There are nog banki …], Realistically for now, use an old Android phone. SIM mediated security is something that theoretically might come on UT. It will vary with the bank security system. If you use a card reader, you may be okay with Morph browser
 Sommige banken stappen al over op mobiel bevestigen en via het scannen van een QR-code. Ze stoppen met het gebruik van een cardreader. Met ubuntu touch gaat dat op dit moment niet. Ik wil juist af van een Android telefoon met google services.
 Some banks are already switching to mobile confirmation and by scanning a QR code. They stop using a card reader. With ubuntu touch this is not possible at the moment. I just want to get rid of an Android phone with google services.
 we'll see when that finally happens. so far, i'm fine with e.identifier on ABN and SMS on ING
 anbox might serve a purpose here too
 it's not like we can force banks to build apps for us; they'll come if our marketshare is big enough
 until then, it's making do
 Hmm anbox okay. Yeah i have Knab in the netherlands, wich is a online bank and stop with the cardreader. Also ING are stopping with the identifier in the future. So i think this should be a big issue in the future for Ubuntu. Most of the people still use Android and Apple. I don think bank will make an app for Ubuntu.
 But thanks!
 i see the issue - but there's just nothing we can do other then improve our system, grow the userbase, and then the problem will solve itself at some point
 @rogieroudshoorn [anbox might serve a purpose here too], Anbox might fail as Android now has security features to detect such constructs. Ultimately, banks need security assertions we will not have for a long time
 true.
 anbox on the desktop might work though
 I have several calenders on my nextcloud but it does syncronize only one on my ubuntu touch device. How can I change that?
 @theBest3000 [I have several calenders on my nextcloud but it does syncronize only one on my u …], The hackathon to improve these issues was cancelled because of Covid
 Hello I've been trying to port UBT on samsung galaxy note 9 (crownlte) but I can't find any documentation for Halium >7.1... Is there a place i missed? I read about the change in android's architecture, with the general image concept and all device specifics to /vendor but I don't know what files i need to fetch... Do I have to make a
[14:46] <ubptgbot>  manifest with kernel, device and vendor??
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 @Flohack [Please join porting group], name?
 @rigaslitsas [name?], Try @ubports_porting
 @Flohack [Try @ubports_porting], thnx!! :)
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 scam...
 @j2g2rp [scam...], yeah, it's common here, you can just ignore and mods will remove it soon
 @MichielP80 [What will do Ubuntu touch in the future with online banking? There are nog banki …], i read bank in europe are required to have an open api, if you find such documentation native apps could be build eventually
 @Fuseteam [i read bank in europe are required to have an open api, if you find such documen …], Are they? That's really interesting. In the UK at least banking apps will just refuse to run if they detect your android device is rooted or even has an unlocked bootloader, rather arbitrary limits if they have to have an open API
 There are third-party applications that can connect to bank accounts. Together with the API you need the bank to "validate" you before you can continue.
 If the application you make cannot guarantee a minimum of conditions, they will not let you continue.
 third party applications are surely better than none at all
 and third party ut apps don't satisfy all minimum conditions we may get something actionable out of it
 https://twitter.com/GrapheneOS/status/1353381554928701441
 Any plans in incorporating something like that to UBports?
 actually wait it just went live but like
 (Video, 32s) https://irc.ubports.com/eLrh8Jl0.mp4 In general, I was sitting at my phone and experimented with the system .... This time a strange question popped into my head "Is it possible to edit the loading screen and change the pictures there and all this" .... And for a start, pr I thought this idea: take and just change
[17:13] <ubptgbot> the file "warty-final-ubuntu.jpg" into your picture in the folder where the wallpaper is stored .... Changed the resolution of the "backgrounds" folder to 777 and changed it, then set the resolution to 755 and rebooted the phone. ... And oddly enough, the background of the download can be changed, you just need to understand in which file the param
[17:13] <ubptgbot> eters of the image that he uses are stored ... (although the picture that I put was not picked up ... That is, my picture in jpg format is not accepted. And now this is what the launch looks like on my phone: * video *)
 @im_not_dead_seiwer [<reply to media>], Does anyone know in which file the system startup splash settings are stored?
 do note that changes in the rootfs like that will be overwritten on a full ota
 @Fuseteam [do note that changes in the rootfs like that will be overwritten on a full ota], It's okay if I find the file responsible for the launch splash, I can just take it and configure it again as I need (anyway, OTAs are very rarely released) … Although by the way, such a dark launch style seems to me much better than the
[17:33] <ubptgbot> default one with some kind of ... pink-red color or something ... It would be nice to include it in the official delivery
 the latter is the recommend approach
 a feature request or a pr proposing changes, tho you will need to convince the devs
 Damn, I searched the entire system, but I could not find a script in which you can change the background and everything else at startup ...
 is skype calls supported in Ubuntu touch
 if not what other option do we have for wifi calls. like Sailfish OS ?
 Linphone for SIP maybe
 will it work in ubuntu touch ?
 [Edit] will Linphone voice call work in ubuntu touch ?
 Can the contents of the clipboard of the personal computer be transmitted to the clipboard of the connected phone by ssh?
 no
 Thanks.
 @cjbay [will Linphone voice call work in ubuntu touch ?], there is an app in open store
 yes voice should work with it
 Does morph browser support progressive web apps?
 there's no integration to add PWAs to the app drawer currently, no
 @dohbee [there's no integration to add PWAs to the app drawer currently, no], Ok.thanks👍
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 Hey... Any interest in bringing UBPorts support to the Nord N10?
 It's an entry level 5G phone with good audio quality
 And it only has 1 year of software support expected
 [Edit] It's an entry level 5G phone with good component quality
 You would have to make a port for that model
 For that it takes a lot of time and having a physical phone
 i think a port is in progress, but it's android 10, so requires halium 10, which is not yet ready (and thus also in progress)
 @dohbee [i think a port is in progress, but it's android 10, so requires halium 10, which …], Totally... I was just putting the thought in mind
 The other devices I would probably check out is older Nokia devices...
 ´Can someone tell me if Xiaomi Redmi 8 Note also can run Ubuntu touch?
 @dohbee [there's no integration to add PWAs to the app drawer currently, no], do current webapps considered as PWAs or PWA is a totally different thing?
 @JJ_4884 [Hey... Any interest in bringing UBPorts support to the Nord N10?], @NotKit made one iirc
 @Javacookies [do current webapps considered as PWAs or PWA is a totally different thing?], PWAs are different thing
 i sew
 [Edit] i see
 @JJ_4884 [Hey... Any interest in bringing UBPorts support to the Nord N10?], yeah, I'm working on it (see https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/android10/oneplus-nord-n10), but it will take some time till it's actually usable
 @mimecar [There are third-party applications that can connect to bank accounts. Together w …], That's very interesting, i wonder if that applies to the UK
 They have to meet various requirements for banks to allow them to access accounts.
 @JJ_4884 [Hey... Any interest in bringing UBPorts support to the Nord N10?], iirc someone is working on a port, no eta
 @mimecar [They have to meet various requirements for banks to allow them to access account …], sounds like something a local dev could work towards
[20:26] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> sorted redmi note 7 data know working
[20:27] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> i used orange fox r11 to flash the lavender the the boot then gsi image
 @cjbay [if not what other option do we have for wifi calls. like Sailfish OS ?], Google Voice also works for those on arm64. But without notification support unless you are in the window with the screen active. There are no VoIP apps for arm64 yet, Linphone or otherwise.
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[20:52] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> why does the installer not detect the pixel3a ive downgraded to the correct version adb recognises the device
[20:52] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> but the instALLER DONT ANY IDEAS
 Not sure, but the installer didn't automatically detect my device. Manual selection worked tho
[20:54] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> OK
[20:54] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> does mobile date work
[20:55] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> last time i did it no mobile data
[20:55] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> and does it run smooth
[20:55] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> mine seemed really laggy
 My device is a Nexus 7 with no LTE, so I can't say
[21:00] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> ok
[21:00] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> working now
[21:01] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> redmi note 7 is excellent
[21:01] <ubptgbot> <By brian All rights reserved> finger print works as well video not working
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/irWvKbAJ.png I managed to get Manjaro arm up on OnePlus 6 on mainline kernel, it's very very smooth
 WiFi is up too :D
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 @calebccff [<reply to media>], Crazy nice!
 I'm surprised to see such a new device on mainline!
 Luckily for me Linaro guys did a lot of work


[04:57] <pitti> hallyn: thanks for teh lxc patch reviews; for those which you "acked-by"'ed, is there anything further for me to do, or will you just git am them to trunk? (they don't have particular dependencies on each other)
[05:48] <pitti> hallyn: cgmanager uploaded to Debian, thanks! But I have a question about integrating the remaining Ubuntu delta in https://mentors.debian.net/package/cgmanager
[05:52] <pitti> @pilot in
[05:53] <pitti> halfie: I also uploaded an Ubuntu merge
[05:54] <pitti> halfie: sorry, tab error; I meant hallyn
[06:36] <dholbach> good morning
[06:37] <ptman> Hi! Is there a reason why http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts doesn't advertise trusty? I thought do-release-upgrade should suggest trusty after 14.04.1 is released
[06:37] <ptman> I can't view the bug reports related to https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/meta-release/ubuntu
[06:37] <sarnold> ptman: I heard there was a pretty severe upgrade bug ...
[06:37] <pitti> hey dholbach
[06:38] <pitti> infinity: does this make sense? https://code.launchpad.net/~braiampe/ubuntu/trusty/overlay-scrollbar/fix-for-1262022/+merge/218899
[06:38] <ptman> sarnold, that would be a valid reason. Where should I be able to find out more?
[06:38] <pitti> infinity: i. e. does an Arch: all package really need to be marked as M-A: foreign to satisfy non-native arch dependencies?
[06:38] <pitti> infinity: that sounds wrong for arch: all, that should be implicit?
[06:38] <dholbach> hey pitti
[06:38] <sarnold> ptman: hmmm, this says 'fix released', maybe this wasn't the reason after all: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bug/1347964
[06:39] <dholbach> Noskcaj, looks like doko fixed jquery
[06:39] <dholbach> Noskcaj, did you have a chance to look at python-wsme or libgtop2?
[07:07] <Tribaal> Hi all, silly question - my updated pacakge was pushed into trusty-proposed a while back (good), but I don't understand what it takes to land in the "real" archives. Could somebody shed light on the process?
[07:08] <sarnold> Tribaal: you might find it on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[07:08] <Tribaal> sarnold: nope, not on there
[07:09] <sarnold> oh, trusty, not utopic.. probably wrong place..
[07:09] <RAOF> Tribaal: It needs to be tested to work, marked as such, and then one of the SRU team will release it on the regular sweeps.
[07:09] <Tribaal> oh no sorry
[07:09]  * Tribaal blames coffee
[07:10] <Tribaal> I tested trusty, but it should have landed in *utopic*
[07:10] <Tribaal> nevermind :/
[07:22] <LocutusOfBorg1> pitti,
[07:22] <LocutusOfBorg1> sorry for bothering
[07:22] <pitti> hey LocutusOfBorg1
[07:22] <Tribaal> RAOF: so, it might actually make sense to backport the package that is in utopic now to trusty. Where should I start for an SRU?
[07:22] <LocutusOfBorg1> Hi, did you notice the build failure of libvncserver?
[07:22] <RAOF> Tribaal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates ?
[07:22] <LocutusOfBorg1> thanks for the other merges BTW
[07:23] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg1: err yes, just saw the FTBFS mail coming in; apparently some uninstallability in -proposed?
[07:23] <Tribaal> RAOF: thanks :)
[07:23] <LocutusOfBorg1> pitti, the new package build-conflicts with libpng12
[07:23] <LocutusOfBorg1> because it wrongly links png stuff when available
[07:24] <LocutusOfBorg1> the problem is that I cannot reproduce on a clean pbuilder-dist utopic environment
[07:24] <Tribaal> ah, maybe I should target trusty-proposed instead
[07:24]  * Tribaal is a bit confused as to where the bits should ideally go
[07:24] <LocutusOfBorg1> BTW I don't know why the hell the debian people but a build conflict on png instead of a simple "--without-png" in rules
[07:25] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg1: so perhaps we should do that ^ ?
[07:26] <LocutusOfBorg1> don't know pitti
[07:26] <LocutusOfBorg1> I should talk with jcristau and luca about https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=725480
[07:27] <LocutusOfBorg1> I'm working on the package, will report back
[07:28] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg1: right, so if there's a --without-png and that works, that seems better than a build-conflicts
[07:28] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg1: cheers!
[07:28] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg1: should be easy to check, it shouldn't generate a libpng dependency
[07:29] <LocutusOfBorg1> yes I'm already doing that ;)
[07:29] <LocutusOfBorg1> I removed the conflict, rebuilding
[07:31] <LocutusOfBorg1> yes, ldd shows a libjpeg
[07:31] <LocutusOfBorg1> rebuilding with the autoconf flag
[07:32] <Tribaal> RAOF: so apparently an SRU is not what is appropriate in this case. Is it possible to put a package in -proposed instead? What is the policy there? (Sorry, I'm a new contributor as you can tell)
[07:33] <RAOF> Tribaal: -proposed is the staging ground that we test things to go into -updates. You might be looking for backports?
[07:33] <Tribaal> RAOF: ah, yes, probably
[07:53] <infinity> pitti: It's not implicit for arch:all, no.  arch:all is implicitly mapped to the native arch for sane backward compatibility.
[07:53] <pitti> infinity: hm; strange; why wouldn't it satisfy a dependency of e. g. an :i386 on amd64 to an arch:all package?
[07:53] <pitti> it seems weird having to change all arch:all packages for that
[07:54] <infinity> pitti: There were Good Reasons, but I can't think of that they are right now.
[07:54] <infinity> pitti: slangasek probably remembers better, he drove a lot of this.
[07:55] <pitti> infinity: ok, thanks; so this is good to sponsor (to utopic for now)
[07:56] <infinity> pitti: I didn't read the MP, but if the reasoning otherwise makes sense, and the syntax is correct, sure.  If there's an all->any->all sort of chain in play, one needs to make sure that whatever combinations can be installed will actually make sense and work.
[07:56] <pitti> ah, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec#Dependencies_involving_Architecture:_all_packages
[07:58] <pitti> infinity: argh, can't sponsor; daily PS landing..
[08:07] <Noskcaj> dholbach, I can't get wsme to work locally still, and i think it's best to wait for debian for libgtop2
[08:07] <dholbach> Noskcaj, can't get to work in which way?
[08:23] <Noskcaj> dholbach, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7921912/
[08:25] <dholbach> Noskcaj, as I said yesterday: install all the build deps first, then start with -3 - it should work
[08:25] <dholbach> if you don't have the build-deps, it'll try to download them
[08:25] <dholbach> which will then look like a diff to be applied
[08:58] <Laney> pitti: hey, can you moderate u-d-a?
[08:58] <pitti> Laney: doing
[08:58] <doko> ricotz, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cogl/1.18.2-1/+build/6176965 please fix, this is a regression, please use dh-autoreconf
[08:59] <pitti> Laney: congrats for alpha-2!
[08:59] <Laney> cheers
[08:59] <Laney> I hacked $TZ to make it happen on the correct day. ;-)
[09:03] <doko> LocutusOfBorg1, libvncserver ftbfs on all archs
[09:03] <pitti> see IRC scrollback 1.5 hours ago, he's on it
[09:05] <pitti> Laney: yup, blame it on me for slow moderation :)
[09:05] <LocutusOfBorg1> doko, ready above
[09:05] <LocutusOfBorg1> :)
[09:06] <LocutusOfBorg1> s/ready/read
[09:06] <doko> ahh, thanks
[09:08] <LocutusOfBorg1> I subscribed you to lp 1349386
[09:08] <LocutusOfBorg1> since it is your patch :)
[09:08] <LocutusOfBorg1> you can still take the first one and upload if you care ;)
[09:09] <LocutusOfBorg1> there is also a git commit waiting for upload on debian, so maybe fixing first there is better, but I don't know, it is up to you
[09:09] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg1: ah, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvncserver/+bug/1349386/comments/6 looks good, thanks; will upload
[09:09] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg1: we can still sync later (much appreciated)
[09:10] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg1: err, shouldn't --without-png be appended to dh_auto_configure insted of to dh?
[09:11]  * pitti does that
[09:14] <pitti> LocutusOfBorg1: uploaded with that change, thanks!
[09:17] <LocutusOfBorg1> yes pitti that was a mistake
[09:17] <LocutusOfBorg1> damn copy paste
[09:30] <doko> pitti, this test result looks ok to me: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Utopic/view/AutoPkgTest/job/utopic-adt-gem2deb/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/
[09:31] <pitti> doko: it's timing out; supposedly the new version is trying to download something from the network, or is just stuck in an infinite loop or something?
[09:31] <pitti> doko: the unit tests succeeded, but the first integration test is stuck
[09:32]  * pitti runs it locally
[09:34] <pitti> doko: works locally, so I suppose it's trying to download stuff from the internet?
[09:45] <doko> ahh
[09:45] <doko> well, it's gem2deb ...
[09:53] <doko> mitya57, want to have a look at a sphinx issue? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/heat/2014.2~b2-0ubuntu1/+build/6212253
[10:20] <pitti> stgraber: I have a question for you in bug 1346734
[10:25] <darkxst> pitti, hey, what are the systemd plans for this cycle? sticking with 208?
[10:27] <pitti> darkxst: no, I hope 214 will land soon in Debian, then I'll update Ubuntu too
[10:27] <pitti> darkxst: but I want to stay in sync with Debian
[10:27] <pitti> i. e. same version (not literally the same source package)
[10:34] <darkxst> pitti, ok that would be good, can't build any gnome until we have 210+
[10:34] <darkxst> I fear everything is just broken again now ;(
[10:35] <darkxst> pitti, though I did have 214 running from unit's packages, its pretty broken since the cgmanager/shim changes landed
[11:30] <pitti> darkxst: oh, how's that?
[11:30] <pitti> darkxst: 208 and 214 shouldn't be fundamentally different wrt. cgroups handling?
[11:31] <darkxst> pitti, I see lots of cgroups failed, file not found messages
[11:31] <darkxst> and drm fails
[11:31] <darkxst> lightdm loads, but not mouse/keyboard ;(
[11:31] <pitti> darkxst: oh, wait -- you probably still have cgmanager 0.27-0ubuntu8
[11:32] <pitti> darkxst: try 0.28-3ubuntu1 (landed in utopic today)
[11:32] <pitti> darkxst: that stops running cgmanager under systemd (indeed they fight)
[11:32] <darkxst> pitti, could be mirror lag
[11:33] <pitti> darkxst: yes, it really was just a few hours ago
[11:33] <pitti> darkxst: in the meantime, try if "sudo /etc/init.d/cgmanager stop" helps
[11:33] <pitti> darkxst: that's needed for e. g. making LXC work, too
[11:34] <darkxst> pitti, I can't even get to a working VT or ssh
[11:34] <pitti> darkxst: hmm; that sounds more like the symptom of having systemd 204 with cgmanager
[11:34] <pitti> i. e. bug 1342586
[11:34] <darkxst> pitti, no 204
[11:35] <darkxst> 208 works, 214 breaks
[11:35] <darkxst> I see cgmanager update on mirror now, will try that
[11:38] <darkxst> pitti, boom! I am in ;)
[11:38] <pitti> darkxst: \o/
[12:10] <pitti> @pilot out
[12:42] <didrocks> stupid question, but with a local sbuild installation, is there any hook to log inside the chroot on build failure?
[12:43] <didrocks> google isn't my friend :/
[12:43] <xnox> didrocks: yes.
[12:43] <xnox> didrocks: you can set the option to preserve chroot session on build failures, and then use schroot to enter that session id
[12:44] <didrocks> xnox: that would be perfect! do you have a handy pointer to that option?
[12:44] <xnox> didrocks:        --purge-session=purge-mode
[12:44] <xnox>               Purge the schroot session following a build.  This is useful in conjunction with the --purge-build and --purge-deps options when using snapshot chroots, since
[12:44] <xnox>               by default the snapshot will be deleted.  Possible values are always (default), never, and successful.
[12:44] <xnox> didrocks: so i think you want "--purge-session=successful", and then list sessions in chroot (and or look up the session UUID from the failed buildlog) and enter it with schroot.
[12:45] <didrocks> xnox: let give me it a try :)
[12:45]  * xnox assumes you are using snapshots of some kind (overlayfs, lvm, btrfs...)
[12:45] <didrocks> yep
[12:46] <xnox> barry`: i've re-ported lazr.authentication to python3, cause i didn't notice your port. I think it's mostly equivalent, apart from your port being more resiliant to accepting either bytes or strings in the middleware.
[12:48] <xnox> barry`: or maybe not, cause e.g. i think autorization header is always string, yet in your code it's assumed to be bytes. Not sure.
[12:48] <xnox> barry`: and i wouldn't want distribute to be commited =)
[12:50] <didrocks> xnox: looking good! thanks a bunch :)
[12:56] <pitti> infinity: I'm stunned by bug 1351295 -- I can't see how this makes sense; does that ring a bell per chance?
[13:07]  * dholbach hugs pitti
[13:07]  * pitti hugs dholback
[13:28] <stgraber> pitti: hi
[13:28] <pitti> salut stgraber, ça va ?
[13:28] <stgraber> pitti: oui, très bien et toi?
[13:28] <pitti> stgraber: je vais bien aussi, merci; mais j'attends avec impatience le week-end :)
[13:29] <stgraber> :)
[13:29] <highvoltage> bon week-end à tous
[13:31] <pitti> stgraber: so I have a question for you in bug 1346734
[13:35] <hallyn> pitti: stgraber normally applies the patchset after it's fully acked.
[13:35] <pitti> hallyn: ah, thanks; so nothing left to do for me for those
[13:35] <pitti> hallyn: I sent a fixed patch for the missing "git add", and had some questions about the first one
[13:36] <stgraber> pitti: ah right, I saw your patches but since hallyn asked for some changes I didn't push them yet. I'll look at the mailing-list in a bit and process what's there.
[13:37] <stgraber> pitti: I also plan to tag alpha2 early next week (Monday or Tuesday) so unless you're in a big hurry, you'll get the change in the distro then
[13:37] <pitti> stgraber: that sounds perfect
[13:37] <pitti> stgraber: there's still bug 1350947 (but that has an easy workaround) anyway
[13:37] <pitti> stgraber: but I'm not in such a hurry; I have my changes to trunk installed locally, so I'm a happy camper :)
[13:40] <hallyn> yeah that one has to wait on apparmor iiuc right?
[13:41] <pitti> hallyn: not sure whether it's in the parser (appamor) or in the kernel, but either way; jjohansen kindly said he'd look into it
[13:41] <pitti> hallyn: but for testing it's an one-line addition to the policy (I put the workaround in the bug)
[13:41] <hallyn> pitti: reagrding the apparmor load patch,
[13:41] <pitti> so doesn't block development/testing
[13:42] <pitti> hallyn: btw, new cgmanager working well; you also made darkxst happy :)
[13:42] <hallyn> hm, i guess it's ok.  it'll just do nothing if that prog doesn't exist
[13:42] <hallyn> pitti: I don't know who that is, but thanks :)
[13:42] <pitti> hallyn: ah, if you want to keep that in the distro for now, that's ok for me
[13:42] <hallyn> no, it' sok, i just wanted to make sure it won't break fedora etc
[13:42] <pitti> hallyn: once we have systemd 210+, we can probably just replace that with an ApparmorProfile= in the .service
[13:43] <pitti> hallyn: there's probably a more elegant way for Fedora ^
[13:43] <hallyn> 210+ has apparmor suport built-in?
[13:43] <pitti> yes, apparently
[13:43] <pitti> profile loading
[13:44] <pitti> hallyn: but anyway, it's all protected by test's, and no apparmor (by default at least) on Fedora, so I believe it should be reasonably safe
[13:46] <hallyn> so i'm back on my 4 year old sony.  it's like an old, i dunno, what do you put on, an old shoe?  and old glove?  my idioms fail me
[13:47] <stgraber> pitti: can you send your sign-off for the batch?
[13:47] <stgraber> (unless I missed it)
[13:48] <mdeslaur> pitti, hallyn: systemd only has profile _switching_, not loading...we need to create a proper apparmor parser library so we can get systemd to load apparmor profiles properly at boot
[13:49] <michagogo> pitti: thanks!
[13:49] <xnox> mdeslaur: and upstart?
[13:49] <xnox> mdeslaur: is that switching only as well?
[13:49] <mdeslaur> xnox: upstart has loading, and switching
[13:50] <xnox> mdeslaur: excellent. I wonder if I can do archive wide massacare of /lib/init/apparmor-profile-load usage
[13:50] <xnox> =)
[13:50] <mdeslaur> xnox: but we call the parser in upstart, and it was made clear on the systemd list that we shouldn't do that, but link to a library
[13:50] <hallyn> mdeslaur: and does someone have time to do that?
[13:50] <pitti> stgraber: you mean self sign-off all the patches and re-send them all?
[13:51] <pitti> mdeslaur: ah, thanks; so we'll still need that script
[13:51] <mdeslaur> hallyn: we know we need to do it soon...it's planned, we just haven't gotten to it yet
[13:51] <pitti> michagogo: err - you're welcome (for whatever :) )
[13:52] <michagogo> pitti: 1314616
[13:55] <stgraber> pitti: or just reply to Serge's last e-mail asking for a single sign-off for the whole series
[13:55] <pitti> michagogo: ah :)
[13:56] <pitti> stgraber: ok; I never understood the purpose of Author: having to sign off himself, but sure :)
[13:56] <xnox> pitti: it's a declaration that you own copyright, and/or have appropriate permission to open source it.
[13:56] <stgraber> pitti: it means that you confirm you have the right to give that to the project (as in, your employer allows you to)
[13:56] <xnox> *snap* =)
[13:57] <pitti> I'm sure sabdfl doesn't mind me contributing to LXC :)
[13:58] <xnox> pitti: without consulting colicitor first?! =)))))) https://code.launchpad.net/~harmoney/upstart/manpage-fixes/+merge/20878
[13:59] <xnox> ( i loved that merge proposal comments )
[14:04] <pitti> hallyn: replied to both now
[14:04] <pitti> xnox: colic.. WHAT? get a room!
[14:04]  * pitti hugs xnox, TGIF
[14:05] <pitti> xnox: oh argh; yay bureaucracy
[14:05] <xnox> pitti: i mean a lawyer =)
[14:05] <xnox> pitti: TGIF - T.G.I. Friday's?!
[14:06] <xnox> pitti: re: systemd-sysv, can't it just install real files and do dpkg-divert and not conflict with upstart?
[14:06] <pitti> hallyn: ooh, sorry, I understand now
[14:06] <xnox> pitti: imho, at the moment we want to be able to install systemd-sysv and be able to uninstall it to go back to upstart.
[14:06] <pitti> hallyn: git-email converts Author: to the email From:; I'm too used to attaching patches to mails, instead of sending ptaches *as* mails
[14:07] <pitti> see, I can even learn stuff on a Friday afternoon!
[14:07]  * pitti needs an ice cream now to cool down his brain after this enormous exercise (and also go for some errands)
[14:08] <xnox> pitti: as i new comer to VCS systems - git was my first one ever. And it all made sense until I was asked to setup mta for the first time and somehow learn that the "format-patch" thing it generates doubles up as an email was a complete mystery to me.
[14:09] <pitti> wow, you are young!
[14:13] <hallyn> heh
[14:15] <hallyn> pitti: regarding full paths, my point was precisely that by pulling a part of the init script into a script elsewhere on the system, you're encouraging use by something other init, where paths are *not* sanitized.
[14:16] <hallyn> of course all setuid-root binaries *should* be sanitiziing paths, but this is a favorite exploit in capture-the-flag contests at least :)
[14:26] <tseliot> pitti: thinking of nvidia-persistenced, I think I've found a udev rule that could work to start the nvidia-persistenced daemon. I also have to stop the daemon using udev. Is there a recommended way to do it?
[14:45] <barry> bdmurray: ping me when you're online
[14:47] <bdmurray> barry: I'm online
[15:08] <tseliot> pitti: never mind, problem solved
[15:34] <jpds> $ sudo apt-get install rtpproxy
[15:34] <jpds> $ grep DAEMON /etc/init.d/rtpproxy
[15:34] <jpds> DAEMON=/usr/sbin/$NAME
[15:34] <jpds> $ ls -l /usr/sbin/rtpproxy
[15:34] <jpds> ls: cannot access /usr/sbin/rtpproxy: No such file or directory
[15:34] <jpds> Ah, quality.
[15:36] <stgraber> barry: system-image-cli is missing a depend on python3-dbus and python3-xdg
[15:38] <barry> stgraber: dang.  i think both should be added to system-image-common.  i can do that for 2.3.2 which is in the citrain now
[15:44] <stgraber> barry: do you ever still test system-image-cli without udm?
[15:44] <stgraber> barry: I'm testing an ubuntu core image with system-image and it appears to hang on downloading the indices
[15:48] <barry> stgraber: no.  it's currently non-functional without udm.  i have a stalled branch that adds an asyncio internal downloader alternative but haven't had time to finish that yet
[15:49] <barry> stgraber: and yes, there are occasional "weird" things happening with udm ;)
[15:49] <stgraber> barry: hmm, ok, it's going to become pretty critical seeing how we need this to make progress on the ubuntu core system image stuff
[15:49] <stgraber> slangasek, jodh_: ^
[15:50] <stgraber> hmm, hold on, udm is actually installed
[15:50] <stgraber> (which we probably don't want in this case, but still, things should kinda work then...)
[15:51] <slangasek> yes... using udm for server images may not make the most sense, but it should be functional for a first cut :)
[15:52] <stgraber> yeah, trying to figure out why it doesn't... no errors in the log...
[15:53] <stgraber> ok, so the target dir didn't exist (we need to set this to something else than /android/cache/recovery ...), creating it and killing udm did the trick
[15:55] <barry> stgraber: oh jeez, i just got a crash of udm doing a local test build of si 2.3.2.  this is after this morning's dist-upgrade
[15:55] <barry> so i think that's a new problem
[15:55] <barry> (existing known problems w/o resolution: it occasionally downloads files to the wrong place, and there are intermittent timeouts)
[15:56] <barry> looks like the crash was in passing a pause signal to udm
[15:56] <slangasek> pitti: fwiw these dependencies on upstart can mostly be dropped not because the packages support systemd as an alternative, but because they're versioned deps that are no-ops post-14.04
[16:24] <jcastro> is `do-release-upgrade` from 12.04 supposed to prompt for 14.04.1 yet?
[16:24] <jcastro> aka. did we flip the switch?
[16:31] <TJ-> jcastro: I think the update to meta-release-lts has been delayed by a 12.04 update-manager bug-fix in precise-proposed
[16:31] <TJ-> jcastro: Not 100% since no-one has admitted responsibility for a finger on the switch :)
[17:46] <jcastro> TJ, thanks
[18:18] <ventura> i wish to deploy deb packages to my ppa, however i need that during the install processes the 'terms of service' be displayed to the user
[18:18] <ventura> how is it done according to ubuntu policies? preinst scripts?
[18:19] <dobey> what are you packaging that would require a terms of service be displayed at install time?
[18:22] <dobey> and do you have a commercial support contract on launchpad? because its terms do not allow you to put non-redistributable software in a PPA unless you have a commercial agreement and own the rights to that software
[18:36] <ventura> for example, a oracle java 7. if i wish to create a debian package of it.
[18:36] <ventura> 1. does is respect launchpad terms?
[18:37] <rww> Oracle Java isn't allowed in Launchpad.
[18:37] <rww> Oracle changed the licensing terms, so...
[18:37] <ventura> rww: uhm
[18:38] <rww> I think webupd8 has a PPA which packages it similar to Flash where they download it from Oracle's site, though
[18:38] <rww> (i.e., there's no actual Oracle property in the PPA)
[18:39] <dobey> ventura: yeah, you can't ship the binaries, oracle's license doesn't allow redistribution
[18:40] <ventura> dobey, oracle was an example. however the point is extremely valid, thus i have to read if the terms of the binaries i wish to ship allow it too.
[18:41] <ventura> rww++
[18:41] <ventura> dobey++
[18:43] <dobey> ventura: if you don't have a commercial agreement with launchpad, and own the rights to the code, you can't put the binaries on launchpad. and there are almost no proprietary things that allow binary redistribution
[18:49] <dobey> if you want to make proprietary things installable, you're going to have to do it by writing an open source installer app and shipping that and/or doing an install in the same way that the flash plug-in does
[19:32] <ventura> dobey: thx
[23:43] <xnox> ev: slangasek: why do we care about getting the same whoopsie id across re-installs? Full reinstall -> new encornation thus should be new id.
[23:44] <xnox> it doesn't affect any stats, as we only count active/relecently seen ids, and reinstalled machine with new id, is one for one trade.
[23:45] <xnox> we should use file cache / machine-id, and only if all fails doing the mac/imei guessing.
[23:45] <xnox> (i.e. stateless case)
[23:46] <xnox> it's not scalable that all launched emulators with same MAC and same IMEI have same whoopsie id.
[23:48] <xnox> root vs non-root user has different whoopsie ids =)
[23:51] <slangasek> xnox: we do care about being able to identify a device across reinstalls, for associating on errors.ubuntu.com
[23:51] <xnox> slangasek: no, we don't. =)
[23:51] <xnox> slangasek: i do factory reset, and sell my phone. I don't expect for new user to see my crashes =)
[23:52] <xnox> slangasek: and we have changed ID implementation at least 3 times now, and thus broke machine association.
[23:52] <xnox> (for typical machines)
[23:53] <xnox> using /etc/machine-id or even /var/lib/dbus/machine-id would have preserved association.
[23:53] <slangasek> xnox: there are reasons to prefer they not be visible, but for testing, where the device will be regularly reinstalled, not having a persistent id that they can use for locating the device is problematic
[23:54] <slangasek> now, if we were to use machine-id as the basis, maybe the answer would be for the test environment to update that id
[23:55] <xnox> slangasek: testing things should set CRASH_DB_IDENTIFIER environment variable, which can be passed e.g. on kernel command line.
[23:55] <xnox> slangasek: which overrides internal whoopsie identifier generator.
[23:55] <xnox> , if that fails and we have a machine-id, i think that should be used.
[23:55] <slangasek> editing the kernel commandline is hardly the most convenient interface on the phone
[23:56] <xnox> and only last case scenario - completly read-only stateless system -> use the generator.
[23:57] <xnox> slangasek: then we should extend both upstart and systemd units to source the /etc/default/whoopsie such that one can specify ID there.
[23:57] <xnox> slangasek: is that file RW on the phone?
[23:57] <xnox> (i'm not sure the current state of affairs around how to enable/disable it)
[23:57] <slangasek> no, it's not, and there's no particular reason to put it in that file
[23:58] <xnox> ack.
[23:58] <xnox> slangasek: well, i need to introduce a stable / persistant storage for the id, make it world readable, and make sure it's used by default.
[23:59] <slangasek> I'd rather we modify /etc/machine-id as part of the provisioning and make whoopsie honor that, than push it anywhere else
[23:59] <xnox> IMHO it's redicilous that whoopsie_identifier_generate() call is returning different value for root and non-root user.
[23:59] <slangasek> hah, does it?


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[01:47] <makkam315> Всем  привет ! Как в UBUNTU 13.04 установить живые обои рабочего стола ?
[01:50] <Unit193> !ru | makkam315
[02:33] <caodepalha> hi everyone i got a bit of a problem here. a few days ago i was messing around with instalations in the terminal and being a total newbie somehow i managed to get my aplications menu all mixed. is it possible to get it back the way it was?
[02:50] <Unit193> Missing things or what?  Look in ~/.local/share/applications/
[02:51] <caodepalha> i dunno really
[02:55] <caodepalha> no nothing is missing
[03:05] <caodepalha> all the audio related apps wnet to the multimedia folder
[03:10] <Unit193> Is there anything in ~/.local/share/applications/ ?  And are you in the right session?
[03:28] <caodepalha> yes
[03:30] <Unit193> As those files are local modifications, you can try to (re)move them and see if it changes.
[03:30] <caodepalha> where exactly can i find that folder?
[03:32] <Unit193> ~/ means your home dir, so /home/caodepalha/  the dot in front of local means it's a hidden dir.
[03:34] <caodepalha> ok! got a mimeapps.list file
[03:39] <caodepalha> would that be the file?
[03:41] <Unit193> In a way, what opens what.
[03:42] <caodepalha> [Default Applications]
[03:42] <caodepalha> x-scheme-handler/mailto=thunderbird.desktop
[03:42] <caodepalha> message/rfc822=thunderbird.desktop
[03:42] <caodepalha> application/x-extension-eml=thunderbird.desktop
[03:42] <caodepalha> x-scheme-handler/news=thunderbird.desktop
[03:42] <caodepalha> x-scheme-handler/feed=thunderbird.desktop
[03:43] <caodepalha> application/rss+xml=thunderbird.desktop
[03:43] <caodepalha> application/x-extension-rss=thunderbird.desktop
[03:43] <caodepalha> [Added Associations]
[03:43] <caodepalha> x-scheme-handler/mailto=exo-mail-reader.desktop
[03:43] <caodepalha> message/rfc822=thunderbird.desktop;
[03:43] <caodepalha> application/x-extension-eml=thunderbird.desktop;
[03:43] <caodepalha> x-scheme-handler/news=thunderbird.desktop;
[03:43] <caodepalha> x-scheme-handler/feed=thunderbird.desktop;
[03:43] <caodepalha> application/rss+xml=thunderbird.desktop;
[03:43] <Unit193> Oh dear.
[03:43] <caodepalha> application/x-extension-rss=thunderbird.desktop;
[03:43] <Unit193> !pastebin | caodepalha
[03:43] <caodepalha> x-scheme-handler/http=exo-web-browser.desktop
[03:43] <caodepalha> x-scheme-handler/https=exo-web-browser.desktop
[03:43] <caodepalha> x-scheme-handler/file=exo-file-manager.desktop
[03:43] <caodepalha> x-scheme-handler/trash=exo-file-manager.desktop
[03:43] <caodepalha> this is the file
[03:43] <caodepalha> sorry?
[03:48] <caodepalha> its only that file there
[04:14] <caodepalha> any help?
[04:14] <holstein> caodepalha: whats up?
[04:15] <caodepalha> i'm a total newbie to ubuntu
[04:15] <caodepalha> i have ubuntu studio installed a few weeks ago
[04:15] <holstein> caodepalha: whats wrong with the applications menu?
[04:16] <caodepalha> the other day i was messing aroung with instalations and somehow my aplications menu got all mixed
[04:16] <holstein> caodepalha: what do i suggest? if you want it back "as default", reinstall.. that usually takes about 10 minutes or so
[04:16] <caodepalha> things are out of place
[04:16] <caodepalha> for example if i go to the multimedia menu
[04:16] <caodepalha> everything is there mixed
[04:16] <holstein> then, plan for failure, since you are abviously experimenting.. experiement with a virtualbox install or with a live CD.. or with a new test user
[04:16] <holstein> or, stop using the menu.. i dont use it
[04:16] <holstein> !info kupfer
[04:17] <holstein> ^^ i use that, and i literallly could care less where applications have gone
[04:17] <caodepalha> how to do call the apps?
[04:17] <caodepalha> *do you
[04:17] <caodepalha> in the terminal?
[04:17] <holstein> caodepalha: with the software i mentioned, called kupfer.. above
[04:18] <holstein> caodepalha: you can edit your current menu.. remove the config files from the user /home.. reinstall.. you have plenty of options
[04:20] <OvenWerks> sounds like logged into xfce session
[04:20] <holstein> yup.. something simple..
[04:20] <holstein> or the ubuntustudio-menu meta removed..
[04:20] <caodepalha> i was looking into kupfer
[04:21] <OvenWerks> nope, it doen't exist yet again :)
[04:21] <caodepalha> what about removing the config files?
[04:21] <holstein> caodepalha: see if you are logged into the xfce session instead of the ubuntustduio one
[04:21] <caodepalha> well i'd really like to have it like it was before
[04:21] <OvenWerks> rm -r ~/.config
[04:21] <caodepalha> i should be messing around being a newbie
[04:21] <holstein> caodepalha: ?
[04:21] <caodepalha> what will taht command do?
[04:21] <holstein> caodepalha: you can "mess around" all you want
[04:21] <caodepalha> souldn't
[04:22] <caodepalha> shouldn't'
[04:22] <holstein> caodepalha: that command does what you asked.. removes the config files.. which could reset what you are wanting reset
[04:23] <OvenWerks> logout to the login screen and make sure it says ubuntustudio in one of the boxes. If it says xfce, click on that and it should drop down a menu to select unbuntustudio
[04:23] <Unit193> May as well hit the cache too.
[04:24] <OvenWerks> ya, that would be next
[04:24] <OvenWerks> But what he described sounds like wrong session
[04:24] <OvenWerks> that is something I am trying to fix for 13.10
[04:25] <Unit193> Yeah, a little.  Asked, but not sure if it was an answer to another Q.
[04:25] <caodepalha> thank you thank you thank you
[04:25] <OvenWerks> :)
[04:25] <OvenWerks> Glad I could help
[04:25] <OvenWerks> Just walked in the door
[04:27] <caodepalha> This is great!
[06:07] <solarbird> hey, anybody else on a USB sound device and Ubuntu Studio 12.04 LTS seen their bus performance die in a fire since the updates that came down... well, I pulled them down through apt-get about 10 days ago?
[06:09] <solarbird> i'm running jack+ardour and i've had to kick my audio latency up to 279ms to be able to use the machine at all. It's not CPU (3Ghz quad-core, averaging 76% idle), it's not RAM (I'm not close to swapping). vmlinuz-3.2.0-49-lowlatency kernel.
[06:52] <solarbird> so this kind of implies... that there's something atomic _somewhere_... that is processed faster in the generic kernal than in the low-latency kernel, which is slower due to the handoffs it does internally to be closer to realtime... which causes XRUNs to show up sooner in low-latency than in generic. BUT: it's something that changed in that 10-days-ago round of Ubuntu updates, wherein several libraries got updated. (But of
[06:54] <solarbird> But that's just hypothesis.
[06:58] <Hyuri> help me please =(
[06:58] <Hyuri> i've just installed ubuntu studio and selected "install alonside windows 7" but my partition got deleted!
[06:59] <Hyuri> 900 GB of data, the entire partition has gone
[06:59] <Hyuri> no windows 7 neither
[07:01] <Hyuri> i am lost
[07:01] <Hyuri> the PC is not mine
[07:01] <Hyuri> 900 GB of captured videos and a i have to start editing a new video tomorrow
[07:02] <cub> Hyuri, sounds bad. i need to change computer but will be back. In the mean time perhaps someone else might be able to help you.
[07:02] <Hyuri> ok, thanks
[07:07] <cub> Unit193, do you have a moment to take a look at Hyuri 's issue?
[07:08] <Unit193> Hyuri: Don't touch it, don't repartition it, do nothing.  What you need to do is boot off a live medium and run testdisk, see if it can detect the deleted partitions and re-write them to disk.  If not, it may be able to recover files to an external drive.
[07:09] <Hyuri> ok
[07:10] <Hyuri> testdisk is a commandline function?
[07:11] <Unit193> Yes.
[07:12] <Unit193> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step for example.
[07:12] <Hyuri> thanks
[07:15] <cub> Thanks for stepping in Unit193, I felt it was a bit too deep water for me..:)
[07:15] <Hyuri> many, many thanks
[07:15] <Unit193> cub: Had to use testdisk once when a windows partition edit went very, very wrong.
[07:15] <Unit193> Hyuri: Getting it?
[07:16] <Hyuri> the infos are giving hope to me
[07:21] <Hyuri> what a crazy problem. Is that "common"?
[07:21] <cub> Hyuri, it should be fixable. I once removed my entire backup disk containing all photos the family had taken. It was some nervous hours but everything was recovered. :D
[07:21] <Hyuri> =)
[07:22] <Hyuri> feeling a little better now
[07:23] <Hyuri> maybe the problem is because have 2 HDDs here and both had windows 7 installed. Maybe Ubuntu Studio got confused?
[07:24] <cub> Huh? It confuses me at least. You have two physical drives with one Windows OS installation each?
[07:25] <cub> Or are they c: for system and d: for data?
[07:26] <Hyuri> both had windows 7 each
[07:26] <Hyuri> now, just one =(
[07:26] <Hyuri> and the wrong one... -.-"
[07:26] <cub> hmm
[07:26] <Hyuri> i don't know why. The owner of this PC are really crazy
[07:28] <solarbird> that is very strange o.O
[07:28] <Hyuri> is*
[07:28] <Hyuri> really
[07:29] <Hyuri> i was installing ubuntu studio to show the man that we can have a better and faster desktop to work with
[07:29] <cub> I guess they are not convinced now? ;)
[07:29] <solarbird> heh
[07:30] <Hyuri> eh... probably won't. he doesn't know yet
[07:30] <Hyuri> now is 4:30 AM here
[07:31] <Hyuri> i am from Brazil
[07:31] <Hyuri> BTW, sorry for my English. If you can correct me, please
[07:31] <Hyuri> appreciated
[07:32] <cub> Hyuri, your English is great. Not everyone here speaks English as a first language.  Okay I'm not actually in space. I'm in Seattle. #spaaaaaaaaaaaaace
[07:34] <Hyuri> =)
[07:36] <solarbird> I'm going to bed but am going to leave this connected in case somebody sees my probably description scrollback and has an idea.
[07:36] <solarbird> Good luck, Hyuri! ^_^
[07:38] <Hyuri> thanks!
[07:38] <Hyuri> good sleep
[07:48] <Unit193> solarbird: Could check the dpkg logs in /var/log/ see what updates you did.
[07:56] <xequence> solarbird: the latest kernel update increased your minimal acceptable latency?
[07:57] <xequence> solarbird: did you try booting into one of the older kernels to double check?
[07:59] <Hyuri> Unit193: many, many thanks
[07:59] <Unit193> Got it?
[07:59] <Hyuri> it seens the data are there
[07:59] <Unit193> Great!
[07:59] <cub> Hyuri, wohoooo!
[07:59] <Hyuri> \o/
[07:59] <Hyuri> thanks too cub!
[08:00] <cub> Oh I just did what I do best, asked someone else. ;)
[08:00] <Hyuri> hehe
[08:01] <Hyuri> the chain "cub > Unit193" saved my life =)
[08:01] <Unit193> Nice that you got it, have a good one.
[08:03] <caodepalha> hi everyone just had ubuntustudio installed. wondering where i can find good audio plugins
[08:03] <xequence> caodepalha: You have a bunch preinstalled
[08:04] <xequence> caodepalha: Start jack, with qjackctl, then ardour. Then try adding plugins to channels
[08:04] <caodepalha> anything similar to the waves plugins? tape simulators etc?
[08:05] <caodepalha> been through the ardour plugins already. they're nice. was just wondering where i can find more plugins
[08:07] <caodepalha> ok thanks!
[08:09] <Hyuri> you can try to use win vst's with festige
[08:10] <Hyuri> in case you really need
[08:11] <caodepalha> it would be good using the waves plugins i'm used to
[08:12] <xequence> It's possible, but think you need a special VST build of ardour, and some wine magic
[08:12] <xequence> you might find more answers at #kxstudio
[08:12] <xequence> None of the Ubuntu Studio devs use non free software, so we don't really think about supporting that a lot - for better, or worse
[08:13] <xequence> It would be better if those companies started supporting Linux natively
[08:13] <caodepalha> that would be good
[08:13] <Hyuri> really good
[08:13] <xequence> caodepalha: There's linuxdsp
[08:13] <caodepalha> but with festige i could used vsts on ardour?
[08:14] <xequence> saying that, I do actually use non free software, but only since they are native linux plugins
[08:14] <caodepalha> i understand
[08:14] <xequence> there are some vst plugins that work natively on Linux too, but I don't know much about that
[08:14] <xequence> not waves, I don't think
[08:15] <caodepalha> i still find it a bit complicated using wine and vsts and all
[08:15] <xequence> caodepalha: The calf plugins are pretty decent
[08:16] <xequence> you can do just about anything with the plugins available, just that you might need to combine them a bit more manually then on proprietary platforms
[08:17] <caodepalha> anything on tape similators
[08:17] <caodepalha> ?
[08:17] <Hyuri> and you always have jack as your "universal cable" to connect them
[08:17] <Hyuri> heh
[08:18] <caodepalha> i used reaper and waves plugins but i decided to go full ubuntu
[08:18] <caodepalha> had it on dual boot for a while then quit windows
[08:19] <cub> caodepalha, there is a Ardour you can compile for win VST, but they don't recommend or support themselves. I would investige what's available through the native linux world first. Otherwise I would probably run like Reaper in Wine instead.
[08:21] <caodepalha> is it workable? reaper and wine?
[08:21] <caodepalha> with latency and all
[08:21] <caodepalha> ?
[08:23] <cub> I haven't tried it, but seems on the ubuntuforums that some are happy with that solution.
[08:24] <cub> But I think you can find similar plugins natively, maybe not as polished GUI as VST's but will sound good once you have learned how to set them.
[08:25] <caodepalha> i'd like to stay with ardour now or qtractor
[08:27] <caodepalha> so you would say that ardour has all one would want for audio recording?
[08:37] <Hyuri> TestDisk is "testing the disk". I'll go to bed now
[08:37] <Hyuri> many thanks for your help people
[08:38] <Hyuri> Unit193, cub: again, many thanks
[08:38] <cub> Hyuri, np glad we could help!
[08:38] <Unit193> Sure, and if it can't get the partition table, hope it or photorec get the files.
[08:39] <cub> caodepalha, it depends on what you create in Ardour. For me there's more than enough, but I'm quite minimalistic and prefer to do as much processing and analog sound before I record
[08:39] <Hyuri> will try every possible step now that i have the direction
[08:39] <Hyuri> until next time!
[08:40] <caodepalha> i record acoustic guitars with condenser mics, vocals, midi keyboards
[09:09] <cub> caodepalha, cool. Do you have anything up on the web already?
[09:10] <caodepalha> yes
[09:10] <caodepalha> already did some recording with ardour
[09:10] <caodepalha> i can share if you'd like to listen
[09:11] <cub> caodepalha, please do
[09:14] <caodepalha> should i share it here'0
[09:14] <caodepalha> ?
[09:16] <caodepalha> https://soundcloud.com/caodepalha/o-namorado-da-viuva
[09:16] <caodepalha> this song is sung in portuguese
[09:24] <simplex> hi, i have a problem booting ubuntu studio with lilo. what should i put in the lilo.conf to get it work?
[09:24] <cub> caodepalha, sure, as the topic says " General music making and studio chatter is allowed" and it's always fun to hear what the US community creates
[09:25] <xequence> simplex: lilo is no the default boot loader for Ubuntu Studio. I check Lilo docs or find a forum that deals with lilo
[09:25] <xequence> Sorry, missing some letters there
[09:26] <caodepalha> us?
[09:27] <xequence> Ubuntu Studio
[09:28] <caodepalha> ah lol
[09:29] <caodepalha> did u check it cub?
[09:29] <caodepalha> i think you where helping me the other day
[09:29] <caodepalha> got it all fixed by the way
[09:39] <cub> caodepalha, listening now. Is it the room sounding or did you add reverb in Ardour?
[09:42] <caodepalha> room sounding
[09:42] <caodepalha> hall of my house
[09:42] <cub> Nice!
[09:43] <caodepalha> recordeid live with 2 mics
[09:43] <caodepalha> a condenser for the guitar and a shure sm58 for the vocals
[09:44] <caodepalha> recorded*
[09:46] <cub> SM58 is great
[09:47] <caodepalha> i feel for my condenser mic as well
[09:48] <caodepalha> its large diagphragm
[09:50] <cub> My main maics are TSM MT87 MKII and SM58. Then again, I'm doing home recordings only. :P
[09:54] <caodepalha> me too for the time being
[09:54] <caodepalha> on my soundcloud i also have studio recordings
[09:54] <caodepalha> but on a different style
[09:54] <caodepalha> a rock band
[09:57] <caodepalha> by the way
[09:57] <caodepalha> ran into a new issue here
[09:57] <caodepalha> my jack wont start
[09:58] <caodepalha> i get this message:
[09:58] <caodepalha> ATTENTION: The playback device "hw:0" is already in use. The following applications  are using your soundcard(s) so you should  check them and stop them as necessary before  trying to start JACK again:
[09:58] <caodepalha> pulseaudio (process ID 2156)
[09:58] <caodepalha> cannot load driver module alsa
[09:58] <caodepalha> any help?
[09:58] <cub> are you running any other app?
[09:58] <cub> since pulseaudio is occupying the hardware
[09:59] <caodepalha> let me check
[09:59] <caodepalha> no.. not as far as i can tell
[09:59] <caodepalha> i just installed mixbus
[09:59] <caodepalha> harrison
[10:01] <cub> I have to dash out to get lunch, sry.
[10:01] <caodepalha> ok its working now somehow...
[10:01] <caodepalha> thnks
[16:19] <caodepalha> hello! i just installed harrison mixbus but jack does not start with it. gives me an error. anyone knows anything about this?
[16:21] <caodepalha> when i start ardour or mixbus i get a: audio value for dither is missing data
[17:35] <solarbird> herr0
[17:36] <holstein> o/
[17:36] <solarbird> to answer an earlier question: the upgrade set did not appear to include a kernel upgrade and iirc I was already running .49 in the lowlatency kernel.
[17:37] <holstein> solarbird: i wouldnt expect those lowlatency kernel updates to "pour in" like the main ones
[17:37] <solarbird> going back to the generic .39 kernel improves the situation (69.7ms latency is attainable) but that's still much poorer than I should have.
[17:37] <holstein> solarbird: there is not "should"
[17:38] <holstein> solarbird: what should happen is, the manufacturer of your hardware communicates with the software developers
[17:38] <holstein> but, that likey is not going to happen.. so you have to do what is "best" for you
[17:38] <holstein> maybe that involves running a custom realtime kernel, or one from PPA for lower latency
[17:38] <solarbird> before those security patches from 10 days ago, I _could_ and _did_ run 28ms latency.
[17:39] <holstein> for my personal needs, i run different presets with differeent latency settings
[17:39] <holstein> for when i need/want realtime, i need under 12ms
[17:40] <solarbird> right, which is why i have to use hardware with hardware monitoring, becuase i've _never_ been able to get that, which I've ascribed to being on USB.
[17:40] <holstein> if i cant get under 12ms, then its not a scenario where i can do what i need to do, so i dont use that hardware/software scenario for realtime
[17:40] <holstein> solarbird: mgith be USB.. might not
[17:40] <holstein> solarbird: i can get around 2ms with different hardware.. depends
[17:40] <holstein> but, when im mixing, i typically have it set and 90+ ms..
[17:41] <holstein> and, im not offereing anything as an excuse.. these are just facts
[17:41] <holstein> did the lowlatency kernel updates break something? if you have tested other kernels, and specifically, an older lowlatency kernel, then i think it is safe to say that, for your hardware setup, that is the case.. or appears to be
[17:42] <OvenWerks> solarbird: you can still boot with the older kernel, does that improve things?
[17:42] <solarbird> which, like I said, I can live with 70ms for mixing (268ms with the lowlatency kernel was driving me batshit even in mixing because it made finding note fragments annoying.
[17:42] <solarbird> .49 is the only lowlatency kernel I have installed; it did not get updated with the rest of the updates 10 days ago.
[17:43] <solarbird> i have a .39 _generic_ kernel which now performs better than the .49 lowlatency.
[17:43] <solarbird> before the updates, the .39 generic did _not_ perform better than .49 lowlatency; i moved to lowlatency as part of an attempt to improve realtime performance.
[17:43] <holstein> solarbird: sure.. but you would need to test an older lowlatency kernel to prove, theoretically "the updates to my lowlatncy kernel broke something"
[17:43] <OvenWerks> So you are not running ubuntustudio then?
[17:43] <solarbird> i am running ubuntustudio.
[17:43] <solarbird> 12.04 lts.
[17:44] <OvenWerks> Ubuntustudio comes with lowlatency not generic, where did the generic come from?
[17:44] <holstein> if lower latency were something i needed, mission critically, i would be using, as i said, a custom rt kernel. or one from ppa
[17:46] <solarbird> i moved to the generic tree back in... 2010?ish? and kept it updated, because some usb hardware I have responds incorrectly to probing and would hang the system with the default ubuntu-included kernel, but the newer generic available (3....1.5 maybe?) didn't, which let me use the hardware.
[17:47] <OvenWerks> so then this is not a 12.04 install? But an update to 12.04?
[17:47] <solarbird> it was not a from-scratch 12.04 lts, no.
[17:48] <solarbird> i can't even install 12.04lts from scratch on this hardware, the installer doesn't like my video card combination for some reason and goes to blackscreen.
[17:48] <OvenWerks> There are a huge number of changes from 11.04 to 11.10. I personally would not upgrade to 12.04
[17:49] <OvenWerks> That would be a problem all right
[17:49] <holstein> solarbird: if you can run 12.04, you can run 12.04
[17:49] <holstein> !nomodeset
[17:49] <holstein> ^^ likely need that til you get whatever driver you need installed
[17:50] <solarbird> yeah even the upgrade was a nightmare. i had made an image and was trying to upgrade the image, and the first three tries bricked the machine. server-upgrade command line upgrade did work tho'.
[17:50] <OvenWerks> Have you tried any of the live disks since 12.04? You may have to go non-LTS.
[17:50] <solarbird> OvenWerks: all of them go to blackscreen. well, that I tried.
[17:51] <OvenWerks> Also it is possible to do a studio install from the mini.iso which is all CL
[17:51] <holstein> solarbird: nomodeset is what is used for "going to blackscreen"
[17:51] <holstein> solarbird: if 12.04 works, it works.. and its able to work
[17:51] <holstein> solarbird: you can do *many* things to install it and get it to work
[17:53] <solarbird> right, but I'm already on 12.04 LTS so I don't need to worry about that now. i've been on 12.04LTS for months.
[17:53] <solarbird> and I did get it to work, just through the command line with server-upgrade.
[17:53] <OvenWerks> ok
[17:53] <holstein> solarbird: but, you are having "odd" issues, and its an upgrade
[17:53] <holstein> and that system/hard drive *will* fail
[17:54] <solarbird> (funny part is, there's no special drivers here. I picked the second card when I added it specifically because it had in-kernel driver.)
[17:54] <solarbird> sure, but i make disk image backups with dd.
[17:54] <holstein> solarbird: then you were using a bad iso, or something else
[17:54] <OvenWerks> I am surprised about the latency though. I was able to use my USB1.1 audio IF at -p64
[17:55] <solarbird> holstein: I thought of that but the discs - I made more than one trying to see if that was a failure point - all passed verification
[17:55] <OvenWerks> (2.7ms) without issue
[17:56] <solarbird> OvenWerks: I know! Other people say the same thing. I've never been able. idk why.
[17:56] <holstein> solarbird: sorry, but you *can* use 12.04.. and it is being used.. so you *can* get an iso to support an installation
[17:57] <OvenWerks> With the upgrade it may be that some of the settings are not being set. I also found I had to be very careful which USB port I used.
[17:58] <solarbird> OvenWerks: even when I was running (a few years ago) a fresh install against my M-Audio USB FastTrack Pro (a 1.1 device) I couldn't get that.
[17:58] <OvenWerks> stock swappiness is 60 or 80, we set 10. that made a difference. Make sure jackd is actually able to use rt.
[17:58] <solarbird> Yeah, I mapped out all my USB ports for shared interrupts, trying to chase that down, with some improvement. But nowhere near 2.7ms.
[17:59] <solarbird> Currently I'm running against a PCI Express USB pure root device card. I was hoping that would improve things, and it did! Until 10 days ago. But even _before_ 10 days ago, I couldn't run 2.7ms even against USB 2.0 hardware.
[17:59] <OvenWerks> check the name of /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf
[18:00] <solarbird> swappiness?
[18:00] <OvenWerks> make sure you are in the audio group. Those are the things >I can think of right off
[18:00] <solarbird> (oh for the record: top says I'm not swapping. BUT if there is a parametre I should have involving that, I don't have it in that file. I have rtprio 99 and memlock unlimited.
[18:01] <OvenWerks> Ya, if swappiness is set to 80, then the kernel will start putting stuuf in swap at only 20% ram in use
[18:01] <OvenWerks> no it would be in a different file
[18:04] <solarbird> oh in sysctl.conf ok
[18:04] <OvenWerks> You found it faster than me :)
[18:06] <solarbird> since we aren't swapping afaict then I'll be confused if that changes anything but it's good to know. ^_^
[18:08] <OvenWerks> if it is already set to 10 that is not a problem
[18:08] <solarbird> it wasn't, it was at system default.
[18:08] <solarbird> (which is 60)
[18:08] <solarbird> (and I checked to make sure, it really was)
[18:08] <OvenWerks> I have also found that turning hyperthreading off helps lowlatency
[18:09] <OvenWerks> but only if I am going below 2.5ms (which I can do with an internal audio acrd in a pci slot
[18:09] <OvenWerks> *card
[18:10] <OvenWerks> It would depend on how much memory you have I was testing on a netbook with only 1g ram
[18:10] <OvenWerks> 40% use showed up pretty quick
[18:11] <OvenWerks> The issue I had was that qjackctl would get swapped out and cause lots of xruns
[18:12] <OvenWerks> (or maybe qjackctl's gui)
[18:12] <solarbird> this is a tower with 4G. it lives in a closet and never goes anywhere. I'm currently sitting at my studio desk which is close enough to the closet that long cables (single cables, no extensions... um... except on the trackball) reach it.
[18:13] <OvenWerks> I tried with swap off, but on an OOM error killed the session and you loose whatever you are doing. swap at least allows a retake or saving the work you have done :)
[18:14] <solarbird> here's my home studio in fact: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GziwIN5xEYk
[18:14] <solarbird> the two-headed monitor setup on my desk is where I am right now. :D
[18:16] <solarbird> right now everybody is dumping 4:3 monitors so you can get them for like $5
[18:16] <solarbird> it is awesome
[18:16] <solarbird> if you are on a continually severe budget anyway
[18:16] <solarbird> i run mixer on one screen and editor on the other :D
[18:16] <solarbird> (it's in xinema mode)
[18:18] <OvenWerks> I would love to get another monitor, but I can't just now. One of my kids costs a lot to feed due to special diet.
[18:19] <OvenWerks> I have one of the drun pad sets too. However I don't have my own room. It has to be shared (as does the computer) with the rest of the family.
[18:19]  * solarbird pokes around hyperthreading commentary
[18:20] <solarbird> this looks like something that would'be be a problem on a modern processor
[18:20] <OvenWerks> the place to find out about really lowlatency/RT work is in the computer controled milling comunity as they need sub 1ms latency
[18:20] <solarbird> _really_. i know a guy who does that.
[18:21] <solarbird> oh this is my latest song btw - i did it for a Pacific Rim convention last weekend: http://crimeandtheforcesofevil.com/blog/2013/08/the-t-rex-has-the-f-14/
[18:22] <solarbird> (Probably makes more sense if you know about kaiju films)
[18:22] <solarbird> (no definitely makes more sense if you know about kaiju films XD )
[18:22] <OvenWerks> The problem (even with modern HW) is that there are so many things that the cpu can be called to do that the OS has no comtrol over
[18:22] <OvenWerks> Some of the AMD chipsets with video included are really bad.
[18:23] <OvenWerks> The video portion takes over the cpu and busses all the time.
[18:24] <OvenWerks> It is interesting that some of the lower powered MB actually have better latency control
[18:29] <solarbird> hm, interesting
[18:30] <solarbird> okay yeah if i want to disable hyperthreading i appear to need to do it in BIOS
[18:30] <solarbird> the sample howto I found gets a LOL NO even as root XD
[18:31] <solarbird> brb
[18:47] <solarbird> yeah on my system I can't disable HT without disabling a bunch of other advanced features and the result is... not good. (at least, as far as BIOS is concerned, and trying HT only the example way fails so maybe that's consistent.) Thanks for the idea, though! It was worth a try. ^_^
[18:49] <OvenWerks> Ya, the other way is to disable every second processor on the kernel command line. for example if you have two cores, dissable one and three.
[18:49] <OvenWerks> But like I said, I have seen no difference till I go really low latency.
[18:49] <OvenWerks> lower than USB for sure.
[18:50]  * solarbird nods
[18:54] <solarbird> still, if nothing else, going back to generic kernel makes mixing okay again. plus I use live monitoring, so.
[18:55] <solarbird> (hardware monitoring, so latency there is irrelevant.)
[18:57] <OvenWerks> So long as you can make it work. I record at low latency, but mix with higher latency.
[18:58] <OvenWerks> I record with no effects and only playback the tracks I need.
[18:58] <OvenWerks> I add effects only in mixdown
[18:58] <OvenWerks> Some people can't work that way but I have an old P4 single core machine.
[18:59] <solarbird> I can pile on all the effects I want, that doesn't seem to affect things.
[18:59] <solarbird> whatever it is, it's not raw CPU availability.
[18:59] <OvenWerks> normally not.
[19:29] <xequence> solarbird: linux-lowlatency is updated in the same frequency as linux-generic
[19:30] <xequence> solarbird: linux-lowlatency is more or less a linux-generic, with a couple of changed configs
[19:30] <xequence> I'm the maintainer of linux-lowlatency. It's updated every three weeks in general, in cadence with linux-generic
[19:31] <xequence> -generic can by no means outperform -lowlatency
[19:32] <xequence> -lowlatency is not a realtime kernel, but provides good enough performance to get acceptable latencies with certain hardware
[19:32] <xequence> if you have a problem, it might be interesting to know what it is
[19:42] <solarbird> moving to the low-latency kernel improved things at first
[19:42] <solarbird> but right now -generic is _absolutely, measurably, strongly_ out-performing -lowlatency on my machine.
[19:43] <solarbird> and that inversion happened with the security updates I downloaded 10 ... er, now 11, I guess... days ago.
[19:43] <solarbird> I'd love to get back to the performance I had before that update and will provide anything you ask for.
[19:45] <solarbird> wait let me think. no, it was Tuesday, I think. So 10 days.
[19:45] <solarbird> I run apt-get update/apt-get upgrade about once a week against the 12.04 LTS tree.
[19:50] <xequence> solarbird: Did you check to make sure both kernels are the same verwsion
[19:50] <xequence> version*
[19:52] <solarbird> Oh, they absolutely aren't - I've been posting the version numbers. Generic is -39, lowlatency is -49. I was running lowlatency -49 before the upgrade which damaged things, and -49 after, so I haven't actually been thinking it's the kernel.
[19:53] <solarbird> My hypothesis is that it's something that's atomic in both that completes faster under -generic than under -lowlatency.
[19:54] <solarbird> But that's just a guess. It would explain the behaviour? But so could many other things.
[19:58] <solarbird> (The closest I came to any kernel dev work ever was writing a couple of device drivers, and a file system... well, kind of a file system and a half, since the "half" was extremely feature-limited.)
[19:59] <xequence> solarbird: not sure what you believe to be the version
[19:59] <xequence> the last digit is the upload number, so not related to version
[19:59] <xequence> the latest version is <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:59] <solarbird> vmlinuz-3.2.0-39-generic and vmlinuz-3.2.0-49-lowlatency
[19:59] <xequence> from both security and updates repos
[20:00] <xequence> consider that linux-lowlatency and linux-generic is the same kernel
[20:00] <xequence> so, if an update caused you worse performance, it might not have anything to do with the kernel being -lowlatency
[20:00] <xequence> solarbird: would be nice if you could install the latest -generic and try that
[20:02] <solarbird> so that'd be vmlinuz-3.2.0-51-generic I presume?
[20:03] <xequence> solarbird: do sudo apt-get update, then install both linux-lowlatency and -generic
[20:03] <xequence> you can do: sudo apt-get update --only-upgrade linux-lowlatency
[20:03] <xequence> and the same for generic
[20:04] <xequence> unless you have -pae
[20:04] <xequence> sorry
[20:04] <xequence> sudo apt-get install --only-upgrade linux-lowlatency
[20:05] <xequence> solarbird: so, both -lowlatency and -generic are now at version <IP_ADDRESS>.61
[20:05] <xequence> sorry, <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:05] <xequence> .61 previously was the upload number that I was talking about
[20:06] <solarbird> it's probably going to h8 on my boog.cfg but I can fix it...
[20:07] <solarbird> updating lowlatency... then i'll do generic...
[20:10] <solarbird> er, my menu.lst. lololol, ooooooooooooooold
[20:11] <solarbird> ha, 3-way merge worked. that doesn't usually happen. awesome.
[20:11] <solarbird> bringing down -51-generic...
[20:16] <solarbird> hoday! this will require a couple of reboots for testing
[20:16] <solarbird> bbiab
[20:49] <solarbird> okay, so both installed, and a set of basic standard tests performed. Behaviour of these is identical within margins of error of non-automated testing.
[20:50] <solarbird> in both cases i can get down to 46.4ms latency (which is much worse than people I've talked to with comparable hardware, but that's another issue) and 40.6 starts triggering XRUNs in Jack.
[20:52] <solarbird> Before 10 days ago, I could get down to around 34ms. Somehow apparently people get down to 4ms? But I've never got close to that. I got down to 17ms back in the... 08.10 days, I think? With USB 1.1 hardware.  But other USB users have better performance I do, it's... been a thing. I'd love to move off USB tho'. Next time I have money, ne? XD
[21:05] <solarbird> For live I have hardware monitoring, so as long as it's under, idk, 65ms or so? I can cope with it in mixing.
[21:06] <xequence> If you only do mixing, you don't really require low latency at all
[21:06] <xequence> I can't live with anything over 15ms for live audio processing
[21:08] <solarbird> Yeah, which is why I can only use (so far, anyway) hardware that supports hardware monitoring.
[21:09] <solarbird> I'd _like_ to throw $N00 or $N000 at some monster PCI-attached device, but that requires $N00 or $N000...
[21:10] <solarbird> hardware monitoring requires that you not need to mix in effects at the time tho'. which is a limitation that so far I've just lived with.
[21:11] <solarbird> I mean originally I built this little studio just for my own use, but now I've got other bands who want to use it (and hire me as their engineer :D ) so I'm caring more about that sort of thing.
[21:13] <solarbird> (I'd point at one of them but despite the fact that one in particular's album IS in fact OUT, certain bands don't have it on Bandcamp yet, so I can't...)
[21:15] <xequence> solarbird: I have m-audio delta 1010 and 66. Same chip on all delta devices. Works great
[21:15] <xequence> also, focusrite sapphire pro 40
[21:16] <xequence> solarbird: We haven't got a lot written down about usb devices, but here's a clue if you want to try that some more https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/SupportedHardware#USB
[21:18] <cub> When I was going to buy a usb card 3 years back I read tons of threads on the ubuntuforums and then it seemed the Edirol UA-25EX was a popular one working of the bat.
[21:19] <solarbird> oh that sapphire pro40 looks soooo tasty
[21:21] <solarbird> oh i'm not wedded to USB. I'm on USB because the interfaces I could get for the dollars I've had have been USB.
[21:23] <solarbird> like, this tascam us-800 i'm using, I picked it up on clearance, new,] for $80.
[21:24]  * solarbird adds Sapphire Pro 40 to wishlist
[21:25] <solarbird> YOU NEVER KNOW :D
[21:31] <cub> Hi Hyuri how did it go with the partition?
[21:31] <Hyuri> bad =(
[21:31] <cub> oh
[21:31] <Hyuri> no results
[21:32] <solarbird> "oh :(
[21:32] <Hyuri> in ubuntu studio shows as free space
[21:33] <Hyuri> i will try TestDisk again
[21:33] <cub> how's your friend taking it?
[21:34] <Hyuri> Fortunately, he said he would come today but did not come
[21:35] <Hyuri> 1 more day to try solving it
[21:35] <cub> like an episode of 24...
[21:35] <cub> wait, no a season. anyhow.
[21:36] <Hyuri> hehe
[21:36] <cub> I haven't used TestDisk, but I thought it would try to recover the partition?
[21:36] <cub> but ubuntu studio still show it as free space, so no change from before?
[21:37] <Hyuri> no change
[21:37] <cub> Unit193, ^ any ideas?
[21:38] <cub> but, there was two HDD, one partition on each? Where did Ubuntu studio install itself?
[21:39] <Hyuri> 2 partitions, 1 with 1TB, 1 with 80GB. Ubuntu Studio installed itself on the 1TB
[21:40] <Hyuri> 80GB partition is intact
[21:40] <Hyuri> 2 HDDs i mean
[21:41] <cub> or perhaps xequence ? Hyuri was to install US alongside windows, but there was two windows installation and the *important* one disappeared.
[21:41] <Hyuri> 1 partition on each. exatcly
[21:41] <cub> so Ubuntu Studio did overwrite the 1TB where the important windows was installed?
[21:42] <Hyuri> yes
[21:42] <Hyuri> now i am on the windows of the 80GB HDD, to manage the other HDD, wich now has only US
[21:43] <cub> I'd like to help, but it's late here and I need to get up early to drive the family tomorrow. :/
[21:44] <Hyuri> no problems
[21:44] <cub> I have pinged a couple of people, hopefully they might be able to help out.
[21:44] <Hyuri> =)
[21:44] <Hyuri> thank you
[21:44] <Hyuri> MS Data on TestDisk is related to windows files? anyone you know?
[21:45] <cub> good luck Hyuri, I hope to read good news in the channel log tomorrow. ;)
[22:15] <Unit193> If the files were overwritten, then you won't really be able to get the files.
[22:20] <Hyuri> =º
[22:21] <Hyuri> i think US is taking about 8GB
[22:24] <Hyuri> if at least i could save the files, are ok
[22:26] <Unit193> When it was scanning for partitions, there is an option to "view" them.
[22:29] <Hyuri> on TestDisk?
[22:29] <Unit193> Aye.
[22:33] <Hyuri> didn't saw it
[22:33] <Hyuri> indeed, i got confused in one part
[22:34] <Hyuri> the article shows a situation that is not compatible wich waht i am getting
[22:36] <Hyuri> after [Quick Search], TestDisk shows a list with "1 P Unknown", "2 P MS Data" and "3 P Linux Swap". Do you know what that means?
[22:36] <Hyuri> not after, before*. Sorry
[22:36] <Hyuri> before pressing [Quick Search] i have this list
[22:37] <Unit193> Current partition structure
[22:38] <Hyuri> so the windows are being recognized? MS Data is windows data, right?
[22:40] <Unit193> You'd think it'd say the linux/ext4 one too.
[22:45] <Hyuri> didn't got it


[12:40] <signifer123> Hey
[12:44] <signifer123> how do you guys feel about realbasic?
[12:47] <signifer123> or...bbl
[12:50] <selmys> I need help with ltsp - anyone here using this on edubuntu?
[12:53] <yennyKa> Hello!!!!!!
[01:10] <yennyKa> it wanted to ask some aspects on edubuntu....
[01:22] <Burgwork> selmys, it is a core part of edubuntu
[01:42] <selmys> burgwork, yes, the default edubuntu install includes ltsp.
[01:43] <Burgwork> selmys, hence your question was odd
[01:43] <selmys> not sure what you mean?
[01:44] <Burgwork> selmys, selmys I need help with ltsp - anyone here using this on edubuntu?
[01:45] <selmys> although it's part of edubuntu, it's not necessary to use it. I guess I'm still not being clear.
[04:12] <lguerra> hi, someone has work with apple quadra 605 in linux?, my university send one to the trash, and i want run edubuntu thinclient in this machine
[05:40] <earobinson> Anyone know how to recover a lost freeenode password? freenode site is down :(
[05:40] <Burgundavia> earobinson, I think #staff is where to ask
[05:41] <earobinson> thanks
[05:41] <earobinson> room looks empty
[05:41] <earobinson> ?
[05:42] <Burgundavia> try #freenod
[05:42] <earobinson> cant talk in there I dont have voice
[05:42] <earobinson> and I cant pm ne one because i need to be a user to do that
[05:42] <Burgundavia> hmm, stuck
[05:43] <earobinson> if you could do it for me that would be great
[05:44] <earobinson> ?
[10:41] <Burgundavia> JaneW, to make an internal wiki link with a different text to the name, use [:PageName:The displayed link name]
[10:42] <JaneW> Burgundavia: I know thanks... was multi-tasking and added it else where and to an e-mail, I'll fix shortly
[10:43] <JaneW> Burgundavia: you made any screen casts yet?
[10:44] <Burgundavia> JaneW, between work and writing, I have no time
[10:44] <Burgundavia> talk to me next year ;)
[10:46] <Burgundavia> JaneW, I have already fixed your links ;)
[10:47] <JaneW> Burgundavia: ditto :), and thanks for fixing links, I appreciate it...
[10:48] <Burgundavia> JaneW, np. It is amazing how time can simply disappear so quickly.
[10:48] <JaneW> NOD
[10:48] <JaneW> throw in a cuple of kids, and you have no idea! ;)
[10:48] <JaneW> couple even
[10:49] <Burgundavia> for instance, it is now 2am here. I have to get up to be at work at 9am and I still haven't finished what I needed to do today
[10:51] <JaneW> ouch
[03:23] <Yagisan> G'day mhz
[03:24] <mhz> hey Yagisan
[03:25] <mhz> Yagisan: how's the family?
[03:25] <Yagisan> mhz: wife still not healed, otherwise ok. Mother-in-law recovering well from operation
[03:26] <mhz> i am happy for you
[03:26] <Yagisan> mhz: thank you
[03:26] <Yagisan> mhz: very happy with myself re my website
[03:27] <mhz> heheh, I have seen it
[03:27] <mhz> actually, lguerra, a colombian guy from edubuntu-es
[03:27] <mhz> is very interested in security
[03:28] <mhz> and I have already told him to contact you
[03:28] <mhz> sorry I took the liberty
[03:28] <mhz> :)
[03:28] <Yagisan> mhz: thank you :)
[03:28] <mhz> yw
[03:29] <Yagisan> mhz: he does know I can't speak spanish right ?
[03:30] <mhz> hmmmm
[03:30] <mhz> yes :)
[03:30] <mhz> (well, if not... security issues are universal :D )
[03:31] <Yagisan> mhz: ok - didn't want to disappoint him
[03:31] <mhz> you can't, you are too good for that ;)
[03:33] <Yagisan> mhz: I do hope in future, we can continue with our discussions wrt eg tecnocimento etc
[03:34] <mhz> but so far... we've had ssooooo many problems with stupid details.. that our head are focused on solving them
[03:35] <Yagisan> mhz: I understand
[03:35] <Yagisan> mhz: but my new site looks rather professional now ;)
[03:36] <mhz> Yagisan: indeed
[03:36] <mhz> I took a look yesterday
[03:37] <Yagisan> mhz: last tweak I did was to get mod_deflate working on apache2 - it now compresses css, js, and html before sending it
[03:38] <Yagisan> mhz: and mod_rewrite redirects all old pages to the new ones
[03:39] <mhz> very nice, so users will feel it very fast?
[03:39] <Yagisan> mhz: subjectively yes - but it's still on a slow upstream
[03:45] <mhz> Yagisan: do you remember my 840 MB CD's
[03:45] <mhz> ?
[03:45] <Yagisan> mhz: yes
[03:45] <mhz> sorry, 870 MB
[03:45] <mhz> well, they work on the same CD drive Dapper F2 didn't
[03:45] <mhz> :)
[03:45] <Yagisan> :)
[03:48] <mhz> Yagisan: so eventhought i understand your explanation about the manufacturer using a 'special way' to make a 700 MB a 870 MB one, it seems that for these CD s to work, it is also important the ISO generated before burning. Otherwise, I can't explain why it works now and it didn't before.
[03:49] <mhz>  (i used same command line)
[03:49] <mhz> the iso was the only diff
[03:50] <Yagisan> mhz: it most likely burnt in a slightly different spot that was easier to read
[04:03] <Yagisan> night all
[04:04] <mhz> night Yagisan
[08:50] <Petaris> for an ltsp server would it be advisable to use the x86 over the amd64?
[08:51] <Petaris> For the edubuntu branch
[08:51] <Petaris> My server:
[08:52] <Petaris> Dual Opteron 244, 8 GB RAM, 2x160 GB SATA hdd in hardware raid 1 (LSI Megaraid)
[08:53] <Petaris> My Clients:
[08:53] <Petaris> VIA 1GHz, 128 MB RAM
[08:55] <Petaris> Hi mhz
[08:56] <mhz> Petaris: hi
[08:56] <mhz> hmmm, I have only used X86
[08:56] <mhz> but I know people have used AMD
[08:57] <Petaris> I'm thinking it would be safer to use x86
[08:57] <mhz> Petaris: the only thing I can tell you about HW requirements is:
[08:57] <mhz> Server: 256 RAM + 128 p/client you attach to it, and a minimum 1GHz processor
[08:58] <mhz> in which case you have plenty :D
[08:58] <Petaris> yeah, I'm running k12ltsp ATM, but I can not get it to boot with 8 GB RAM, only with 4 GB
[08:58] <mhz> and if the NIC's of each client have PXE, then yes, in less than 1 hour you should be ready
[08:59] <mhz> Petaris: ooh, good point
[08:59] <mhz> unfortunately my testing environment have been less, much less every week
[08:59] <mhz> :(
[08:59] <mhz> and the top RAM I've had on server is 512
[09:00] <mhz> so.. no idea about issues over 4 GB of RAM :)
[09:00] <Petaris> Have the client boot issues been resolved?
[09:00] <mhz> which?
[09:00] <mhz> sound?
[09:00] <Petaris> mhz: I traced it to a problem fixed in 2.6.5 that still exists in 2.6.12-fc3
[09:00] <mhz> ohhh
[09:01] <Petaris> mhz: no, the issue with the client booting halting the first time its booted
[09:01] <mhz> well, I can send you the Flight 3 notification for Edubuntu by email if needed?
[09:01] <Petaris> Flight 3?
[09:02] <mhz> Petaris: yes. Releases in their way to become Dapper
[09:02] <mhz> :)
[09:02] <Petaris> ahh
[09:02] <Petaris> I need something solid
[09:02] <Petaris> This is a production box
[09:02] <mhz> want me to send you the email about the release?
[09:02] <Petaris> sure
[09:02] <mhz> Petaris: I have used Edubuntu breezy in production environement since released
[09:03] <mhz> but not as thin clients
[09:03] <Petaris> does it work well with xfce4?
[09:03] <mhz> only as regular dektop/laptop
[09:03] <mhz> I use it with XFCE and Wmaker ALL the time
[09:03] <Petaris> I wish ogra was here
[09:03] <Petaris> mhz: cool
[09:04] <mhz> my main objective is towards Edubuntu lite
[09:04] <Petaris> ahh
[09:04] <mhz> Petaris: mail address?
[09:05] <Petaris> I need to get the important stuff off that server
[09:06] <mhz> Petaris: Edubuntu is 100% Ubuntu
[09:06] <mhz> so server is good
[09:06] <Petaris> damn, my inet connection is dragging
[09:07] <mhz> but if you want me to tell you about client behaviour... no idea yet
[09:08] <Petaris> grr, looks like I'll have to wait to grab it
[09:09] <Petaris> Its downloading @ 55Kbs
[09:28] <Petaris> mhz: thanks for the input, and I got the email
[09:30] <mhz> good, I and sorry I couldnt help more
[09:31] <Petaris> I truly hate fedora core
[09:55] <Petaris> later guys


[15:59] <snap-l> Good morning
[16:02] <mydogsnameisrudy> Happy Saturday to ya
[16:09] <brousch> snap-l: my son made up a song on his drums he calls "Angry Birds"
[16:10] <snap-l> Hah. :)
[16:10] <snap-l> That's awesome
[16:19] <brousch> let's see if i can edit this
[16:20] <snap-l> Heading out to get more fillings drilled out
[16:20] <snap-l> yeah!
[16:20] <brousch> ew
[16:21] <snap-l> brousch: Looking forward to seeing his composition.
[16:21] <brousch> brush your teeth d00d
[16:21] <brousch> i might just extract the audio. it's so dark downstairs the video is crap
[16:21] <snap-l> brousch: I do. These fillings are over 20 years old
[16:22] <snap-l> They're silver fillings
[17:03] <brousch>  medibuntu is not behaving. i need my illegal codecs damnit!
[17:52] <rick_h_> phew I'm beat
[18:06] <snap-l> rick_h_: wb
[18:07] <rick_h_> woot
[18:07] <snap-l> The right side of my face is numb
[18:09] <rick_h_> ouch, watch out for your tongue
[18:09] <snap-l> Yeah, it's all good
[18:14] <snap-l> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-michigan/84/detail/ <- Reminder
[18:15] <snap-l> And apparently it's showing up as 8pm in my calendar.
[18:22] <brousch> 8pm on mine
[18:22] <snap-l> Yeah, should be 9pm
[18:27] <brousch> ok
[18:50] <brousch> snap-l: son's original drum solo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib25lxsfQDo
[18:51] <brousch> and "angry birds" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YzygDIo0hs
[18:52] <snap-l> OK, I'll view those later
[18:52] <snap-l> heading out
[18:55] <brousch> i spammed them around the tubes
[22:59] <snap-l> brousch: He's a regular Elvin Jones.
[23:01] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YVOd1hK0_w


[12:24] <zul> dont really remember check the patch
[06:18] <fabbione> morning
[06:27] <zul> hey
[06:37] <zul> me thinks i desperately need a new job
[06:37] <fabbione> i need a cleaning lady.....
[06:38] <fabbione> do you have big bobbies? :P
[06:38] <zul> :P
[06:38] <fabbione> if so you are hired ;)
[06:38] <zul> i have man boobies if that counts
[06:39] <zul> oh yeah are you going to pull from my archive soon?
[06:42] <fabbione> zul: today i need to so userland... i will do kernel tomorrow
[06:42] <fabbione> but yes.. i will pull from your archive soon
[06:43] <zul> ok goody...im going to bed then :)
[06:43] <fabbione> ehe good night
[01:15] <zul> hey
[02:22] <fabbione> hey zul
[02:43] <zul> hey fabbione how goes it?
[02:48] <fabbione> zul: pretty ok.. i think i have almost done packaging the first version of redhat cluster
[02:48] <fabbione> i only need to change again the branch that's in the kernel
[02:48] <fabbione> because upstream sucks
[02:48] <fabbione> but i am getting use to it :)
[02:49] <zul> cool..im watching guadec
[02:49] <zul> or trying to
[02:49] <fabbione> i am taking a look at Grid Engine in the meanwhile :)
[02:49] <fabbione> http://gridengine.sunsource.net/
[03:40] <zul> im trying my hand at packaging
[04:02] <zul> heh the ogg of mark at guadec is basically people in the background trying to figure out why the settings are not working...damn it
[04:59] <chmj> fabbione, you got mail
[05:16] <fabbione> chmj: looks ok to me, but please mail kernel-team so that we can do open discussion
[05:16] <zul> oooh....what what? :)
[05:17] <chmj> fabbione, ok
[05:18] <zul> wtf? E: dmraid: FSSTND-dir-in-usr usr/man/
[05:26] <fabbione> man pages should be in /usr/share/man/
[05:26] <fabbione> just configure it to install man pages in the right place :)
[06:18] <jbailey> There's a kernel-team mailing list?
[06:18] <jbailey> Hmm
[06:18] <jbailey> +a
[06:20] <infinity> It gets no traffic anyway.  Go nuts.
[06:28] <dilinger> sure it does.  that's where i file bugs ;)

[06:30] <infinity> Shouldn't you be off having a holiday or something?
[06:37] <dilinger> i am holidaying
[06:38] <dilinger> and by holidaying, i mean unpacking my stuff and going out to buy more stuff like a shower curtain  so i can actually shower
[06:48] <infinity> You moved?
[06:48] <infinity> Further north again?
[06:49] <dilinger> nope
[06:49] <dilinger> south this time
[06:49] <dilinger> way south
[06:49] <dilinger> nyc
[06:49] <infinity> Huzzah!
[06:49] <infinity> Where in the city did you end up?
[06:49] <dilinger> queens
[06:50] <infinity> How far out?
[06:50] <infinity> (Not like anything in NYC is far out, really)
[06:50] <dilinger> http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1670+gates+ave,+11385&spn=0.025879,0.059720&hl=en
[06:51] <dilinger> and there's apparently a parade going down the street
[06:51] <infinity> That seems suspiciously far from a subway line.
[06:52] <infinity> Otherwise, looks cool.
[06:52] <dilinger> it's a block away from a subway
[06:52] <dilinger> L train
[06:52] <infinity> Oh, then I can't read google maps. :)
[06:53] <infinity> So, can we crash with you when we come visit?
[06:53] <zul> party party party
[06:54] <zul> or sort of
[06:55] <dilinger> infinity: sure
[06:55] <infinity> Rock.
[06:55] <infinity> Looks like a decent location.  Though, I can't picture the neighboorhood in my head.
[06:55] <infinity> Nice enough to cost a bit, but crap enough to not be too expensive? :)
[06:56] <infinity> Also, that's a lot of cemeteries you have...
[06:57] <dilinger> infinity: the better to.. uh.. something you with, my dear
[06:57] <dilinger> it's a decent location.  apparently lots of ecuadorians around, which i wasn't expecting
[06:57] <dilinger> more expensive than i wanted to pay, but still reasonably priced for what i'm getting
[06:58] <infinity> Sounds about right.
[07:05] <jbailey> I don't think places in NYC are ever in the range of what one 'wants to pay'
[07:05] <jbailey> My place in the Bronx was still $700USD a month or somethign like that.  Just insane.
[07:13] <zul> gah...description-synopsis-starts-with-an-article


[10:21] <mamarley> ricotz: The latest Vulkan development driver is in https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/ubuntu/staging/+packages.