[01:40] <Spikehead777> Howdy.
[01:40] <persia> hey
[01:40] <Spikehead777> I have a question regarding installation of Ubuntu Studio
[01:41] <persia> This would be a good place to ask.
[01:41] <Spikehead777> I have a computer that has Windows Vista installed on it. I also have an external hard drive that I freed up space to install Ubuntu Studio onto.
[01:42] <Spikehead777> Pretty much, I want to install Ubuntu Studio onto the external hard drive without touching Vista. So far I have done two attempts and although my vista partition is untouched, Ubuntu doesn't boot.
[01:45] <Spikehead777> So, the first time, I installed Ubuntu Studio with pretty much the standard settings. Then I changed the setting to install Ubuntu to go to my external hard drive.
[01:46] <persia> Hrm.  Someone might answer, but I'm not sure we're the most expert about dealing with bootloader issues.
[01:46] <Spikehead777> I see.
[01:46] <holstein> Spikehead777: check out
[01:46] <persia> (at least I don't even know what to ask to understand the problem).
[01:46] <holstein> !grub2
[01:46] <holstein> ^ thats what you want to be aware of
[01:47] <persia> You might also want to try asking in #ubuntu.  You'll have to tell them you were using the "alternate" installer.
[01:47] <holstein> the alternate installer doesnt want to ask you where you want grub installed
[01:47] <Spikehead777> Hmm.
[01:47] <holstein> the live CD used to
[01:47] <persia> Should be asking the same set of questions, given the architecture.
[01:47] <persia> Do we have a bug about this?
[01:47] <holstein> hmmm
[01:47] <holstein> i didnt think it was a bug
[01:48] <holstein> its just the way the alternate installer works AFAIK
[01:48] <persia> Course it's a bug.  Anything that doesn't work is a bug.
[01:48] <holstein> hehe
[01:48] <persia> Alternate installer is just a pile of code: can be changed.
[01:48] <holstein> well, i think you can *not* have grub installed
[01:48] <holstein> Spikehead777: if i were you
[01:48] <Spikehead777> It's my first time trying to install any form of linux, so I don't know too much about it.
[01:49] <holstein> i would want grub and ubuntu on the external drive
[01:49] <holstein> then, you can USB boot it
[01:49] <holstein> Spikehead777: can your computer USB boot?
[01:49] <Spikehead777> That's exactly what I want.
[01:49] <holstein> i do this with my EEEpc all the time
[01:49] <Spikehead777> Yes, my computer boots into USB as well.
[01:49] <holstein> i choose whatever USB device i want to boot
[01:50] <holstein> and GRUB is on all of them
[01:50] <Spikehead777> Where I'm standing, is when I boot into my external hard drive, I get a command line with GRUB
[01:50] <holstein> yeah?
[01:50] <holstein> Spikehead777: what does the live CD run like?
[01:51] <Spikehead777> Well, I boot into the DVD that I burned and it gives me the installation screen for Ubuntu Studio and other things like Rescue Mode, Memory Test, CD Integrity Check, etc.
[01:51] <holstein> Spikehead777: the standard ubuntu live CD ?
[01:51] <holstein> what does it run like on your computer?
[01:52] <Spikehead777> Oh, no, I didn't download that.
[01:52] <holstein> could be something to do with your graphics card
[01:52] <Spikehead777> All I got was the Ubunto Studio iso
[01:52] <holstein> i like to see a live CD
[01:52] <holstein> running on the hardware
[01:52] <holstein> look around
[01:52] <holstein> see if everything works
[01:53] <holstein> and if not, how challenging its going to be to make things work
[01:53] <holstein> then i install
[01:53] <Spikehead777> Alright, I'll download the live CD, burn the iso, then test it out.
[01:53] <holstein> Spikehead777: you can install from it too
[01:53] <Spikehead777> Hopefully it's not too big.
[01:53] <holstein> and check out
[01:53] <holstein> !vanilla
[01:54] <holstein> you might have an easier time with that installer
[01:54] <holstein> theres a step at the end
[01:54] <holstein> i think the button at the bottom says 'advanced'
[01:54] <holstein> thats where you choose where GRUB is going to go
[01:55] <holstein> ALSO
[01:55] <holstein> if you think you have ubuntu installed on that USB drive
[01:55] <holstein> you could try something like http://gag.sourceforge.net/
[01:55] <holstein> you dont have to install it to find and boot things
[01:57] <Spikehead777> Well, the installer completed successfully, it's GRUB that seems to be giving me issues. I'll give those a try though.
[01:57] <holstein> Spikehead777: good luck :)
[01:57] <holstein> totally do-able what your going for though
[01:58] <persia> holstein, Thanks for the detailed explanantion and hints, and apologies for my thought that maybe you wouldn't have that answer too :)
[01:58] <Spikehead777> Oof, Ubuntu live CD is 693 MB. x_x I'll be downloading that over the next week. DX
[01:58] <persia> Spikehead777, If you already have an install, and that seems like a big download, maybe better to just try the bootloader tricks first.
[01:59] <Spikehead777> Yeah, that's probably what I'm going to do.
[02:01] <holstein> persia: :)
[02:01] <holstein> that was always another arugument in favour of a vanilla upgrade install for me
[02:02] <holstein> on some boxes, where i just didnt want to bother with grub issues after the install
[02:02] <holstein> didnt even cross my mind to file a bug though
[02:02] <persia> The main issue with the vanilla-based install is that one ends up with packages intentionally not shipped with Studio that may impact performance.
[02:02]  * holstein is google-ing to see if there is a bug already filed
[02:02] <persia> Mind you, if you don't mind the impact, they may also improve the user experience :)
[02:03] <holstein> yeah, and i pretty much know what to get and remove
[02:05] <Spikehead777> Hmm... from the Ubuntu Studio installer, is there a difference between the LILO and GRUB boot loaders? I see the option to install either of them when I select the "Go Back" option.
[02:05] <persia> Spikehead777, You want grub.
[02:06] <Spikehead777> Okay then.
[02:06] <persia> Lilo is only required for some *very* specialised cases involving sets of oddities and boot experiences that are only meaningful to people who have been using lilo for many years.
[02:07] <Spikehead777> I see.
[02:19] <Spikehead777> Well, I'll probably try again tomorrow, it'd be nice to use my computer for a little while more tonight. =)
[04:19] <nitemovz> Hi all! I am brand new to UbuntuStudio
[04:19] <nitemovz> Can anyone help me with a crash course
[04:22] <persia> What are you trying to do?
[04:23] <nitemovz> I am trying to setup a music production studio. What kind of hardware can I use with this?
[04:24] <nevyn> nitemovz: what hardware do you have?
[04:25] <nitemovz> I don't have any hardware as of yet, I want to know what is out there that is compatible with this, I want to buy new equipment for my home studio
[04:25] <nevyn> lots of things will "just work"
[04:25] <nevyn> usb midi controllers...
[04:25] <persia> OK.  What do you intend to do in your home studio?  Live recording?  Session recording?  Production?  Processing?
[04:26] <nevyn> ooh.. good question
[04:26] <nitemovz> I want to produce sessions, as well as perform audio recordings for movies
[04:27] <nevyn> what sort of instrumments do you play?
[04:27] <nitemovz> I personally only play the sax, but I know people who play everything from drums to guitar, to brass and orchestral instruments
[04:28] <persia> Sounds like you'll be doing a fair bit of mic'd recording then.
[04:29] <nitemovz> Yes, that is my plan, hopefully.
[04:29] <persia> Do you plan to have a bigboard mixer, or do everything in the box?
[04:29] <nitemovz> I have not figured that choice out yet,
[04:29] <nevyn> do you want to be able to record instrummnetal ensembles?
[04:29] <nevyn> like sax+2guitars+vocals+drums ?
[04:29] <nitemovz> Yes.
[04:29] <nevyn> or sax+drums+vocals
[04:30] <nitemovz> Maybe about 10 pieces at the most including some vocals.
[04:30] <nevyn> or do you just want to do sax then overlay drums then overlay vocals?
[04:30] <nevyn> well you'd start with drums but bleh
[04:31] <persia> OK, so Ubuntu Studio is a reasonably good choice for in-the-box stuff.  It's not (yet) the best, but it's definitely the least expensive, and it's quite usable for most things.
[04:32] <persia> But you'll want to spend a lot more time thinking about what belongs in the box and what belongs as separate components.
[04:32] <persia> And make sure you budget for a good selection of mics, preamps, and compressors.
[04:32] <nevyn> drums can eat a lot of channels without much effort.
[04:32] <persia> Less than 7 usually makes a set sound flat.
[04:33] <persia> Once you have a studio design, and you know what belongs in the box, you should have a fairly good idea how many channels you need.
[04:33] <nitemovz> Is the audio mixing program that comes with it, the best? or is there a better one?
[04:34] <persia> At that point it becomes interesting to ask here about selecting an interface.  I think most USB and most FireWire audio interfaces are now supported, but it's best to pick 4-5 that would achieve your goals and meet your budget, and then research which ones have best support.
[04:34] <nitemovz> I would be more inclined to use FireWire as opposed to USB
[04:34] <persia> There's heaps of mixing programs, depending on what you're mixing.  If you're looking at traditional DAW environments, I think Ardour is the best choice, and it's available by default.
[04:35] <persia> nitemovz, I *used* to say that.  But USB is better now.  Some USB 2.0 interfaces have lower latency and higher throughput than any Firewire 100, 200, or 400 interfaces.
[04:35] <nitemovz> Is there going to be a difference between the program I use for music, and the program I use for vocals for movies? Or will they all just work the same?
[04:35] <persia> Nothing USB can compete with Firewire 800 or better, but that ends up requiring fancy firewire interfaces on the computer (most only have FW400)
[04:35] <nitemovz> If that is the case, I will look more into USB
[04:36] <persia> It really depends on the interface.  Ask about throughput rates, etc.
[04:37] <persia> There's lots of programs.  Some folk do everything with Ardour.  Other folk use a wide variety of things.  Depends on how much you want in-the-box and how much out-of-the-box and what sort of effects, etc.
[04:38] <nitemovz> I truly appreciate all the help!
[04:40] <nitemovz> I am still new to the Ubuntu world, as I am used to using programs such as Logic Studio, and Soundtrack Pro on Mac, and Soundbooth on Windows
[04:41] <persia> Some people have compared Ardour to Logic.  Generally Logic wins by a small margin.
[04:41] <nitemovz> I will definitely hope that it is just as good.
[04:41] <persia> That said, Ardour costs a lot less, and is definitely capable of professional-quality results.
[04:42] <nitemovz> That is all that matters to me, is professional-quality
[04:42] <persia> I'd suggest trying Ubuntu Studio on a laptop or spare computer for a bit, with a cheap USB interface.
[04:42]  * nevyn wants mixbus.
[04:43] <persia> You obviously won't get the performance you'd get from a more carefully composed system, but you can investigate the interfaces, etc.
[04:43]  * nevyn has a 8x8 24bit96khz soundcard but the support is evolving.
[04:43] <nevyn> usb2
[04:43] <nitemovz> I will have to try it out, for sure.
[04:43] <nevyn> nitemovz: what's the budget?
[04:43] <nitemovz> Anywhere between $1,000 and $10,000
[04:44] <nevyn> nitemovz: how comefortable are you with linux?
[04:44] <persia> Hitting the lower end of that would be *really* hard, unless you already have mics, preamps, and compressors laying about.  *especially* if you want to be able to do drums as separate channels for in-the-box processing.
[04:44] <nevyn> nitemovz: what do you want to achieve with that?
[04:45] <nevyn> persia: 2k for interfaces with pre's (16 channels) cables, mic's compressors ...
[04:45] <nitemovz> I am extremely comfortable with Linux, and I am planning on performing session recordings of bands for movie scores, as well as voice recordings for voice overs.
[04:45] <nevyn> nitemovz: are you comefortable with building kernels?
[04:45] <persia> nevyn, That's a good deal you found :)  I have to wonder about the mics and pres, but ... :)
[04:46] <nevyn> 2k jsut for interfaces...
[04:46] <persia> We do supply kernels: building kernels is not required.
[04:46] <nitemovz> okay, I am not very fond of building kernels.
[04:46] <nevyn> ok. that's fine.
[04:46] <nevyn> I just wondered.
[04:48] <persia> 2K for an interface with 16 channels and decent preamps?  Yeah, that sounds more reasonable.
[04:48] <nitemovz> I am relatively new to producing bands, pure vocal recordings I am fine with.
[04:48] <nitemovz> Any pointers on recording bands?
[04:48] <persia> Although for that much, I might have selected a separate preamp bank and a cheaper interface, just for reduced cost of later component upgrades.
[04:52] <nitemovz> I am going to start inexpensive, and hopefully upgrade as time goes on. Hopefully I can find some inexpensive equipment that will produce high-end results.
[04:53] <nevyn> persia: I was thinking 2 usb2 8ch interfaces wordclock locked.
[04:53] <nevyn> but then I have a favorite soundcard from a least favorite vendor.
[04:54] <nevyn> persia: so start using the inbuilt pre's and switch the channels to line-in as I get better pre's
[04:54] <persia> nevyn, Needs two ECHI interfaces on the other side.  There's some decent FW800 and PCI digital interfaces with lots more channels for not so much, although those do require external preamps and A/D converters.
[04:54] <nevyn> persia: oh right like the focusrite 24 etc.
[04:54] <persia> Right.
[04:55] <persia> Although doesn't focusrite24 have some A/D built-in?
[04:55] <nevyn> 2 pre's and 6 lineins
[04:55] <nevyn> and adat
[04:55] <nevyn> for 16in 8 out ?
[04:56] <nevyn> the local music store had one for $399 when I bought my 8x8 usb2 card.
[04:56] <nevyn> I decided against firewire because I don't have faith in it being around on laptops etc.
[04:57] <nevyn> and one of my goals was portable/on-site recording
[04:57]  * persia has a FW PCMCIA card to work around that
[04:57] <nitemovz> What would you all reccommend being the minimum RAM requirement for good quality audio production on a laptop while I am starting out?
[04:58] <nevyn> persia: and how long do you think there'll be pcmcia cards on machine (/me assumes actually pccard2 (the pci varient of pcmcia))
[04:59] <persia> nitemovz, Depends on how many channels you want, what effects, etc.  1-2GB is reasonable but more gives you more.  You should be able to do *something* with 512MB, and there are some folks who use as little as 256MB.
[04:59] <persia> nevyn, There's XPressCard FW interfaces too, and laptops with FW.
[04:59] <nevyn> cpu and system throughput are more important than memory imo when tracking
[04:59] <nevyn> particularly throughput many laptops have aweful disk and io systems
[05:00] <nevyn> tho I was heartened to be able to record 4 24/96 channels to SDcard on my eeepc
[05:00] <persia> huh.  Seems there aren't any midrange all-digital interfaces at zzounds today.
[05:01] <nevyn> a 16x16 all digital interface would suit me to a 'T'
[05:01] <persia> Indeed.  Laptops often have much higher RAM requirements than other devices, unless one gets a special laptop (often better choices are those optimised for some types of gaming or those intended to be used to demonstrate server software by travelling salesfolk).
[05:02] <persia> nevyn, If you want portability, do you really want all-digital?  You'd need to carry a separate preamp+A/D box.
[05:02] <nevyn> persia: I've already got.. laptop pre, psu's for the CAD M9 pair cabling etc.
[05:03] <nevyn> I've been thinking a 8u rack might make things easier.
[05:03] <persia> Or a travel box, yeah.
[05:03] <nevyn> psu for sound interface etc...
[05:04] <nevyn> at which point all digital is a total Meh. it can sit in the 8u box with the pc and octopre's
[05:04] <nevyn> use the laptop as a controller for a "real" pc in the rack.
[05:04] <nevyn> but I'm mostly happy with what I have.
[05:04] <nevyn> except my eeepc died.
[05:04] <persia> Not many rack PCs are quiet, unfortunately, and lots don't fit in music racks.
[05:05] <persia> (assuming you7re looking at something like http://gatorcases.com/Default.aspx?Section=Products&Page=Details&CategoryID=4488&CatalogID=9374 )
[05:09]  * Blank__ has a Firepod that he could use with his laptop, except it needs its own power supply
[05:10] <nitemovz> If I cannot get a hold of a USB mixer, how would I take your standard mixer and use that with Ubuntu Studio?
[05:10] <nevyn> Blank__: that's the problem I have now. the Fast track Ultra works on bus power.
[05:11] <persia> nitemovz, So, you probably don't want anything that is sold as a "USB Mixer".
[05:11] <nevyn> but only 2 analog inputs.
[05:11] <Blank__> nevyn, my laptop didn't come with a firewire port, so isn't capable of bus power :(
[05:11] <nevyn> mine is usb.
[05:11] <persia> nitemovz, Most folk do one of two things: A) get a standard mixer, and connect a bus and maybe a couple of send/returns to an audio interface.
[05:11] <Blank__> further to that, the firepod needs too much power
[05:11] <persia> B) connect everything to an audio interface and do the mixing in-the-box
[05:11] <nevyn> Blank__: that's the problem with the ultra as well.
[05:12] <Blank__> i'm the sort of person who wants multitracks at all costs
[05:12]  * nevyn wants in the box.
[05:12] <nitemovz> So, avoid "USB Mixer" completely?
[05:12] <nevyn> I stress less if I have the original capture from the mic..
[05:12] <persia> nitemovz, If you want to use a mixer controller for in-the-box mixing, look for something marketed as a "DAW Controller" or "MIDI Controller" (they are different things, but both can be made to do what you seek)
[05:13] <nevyn> I don't need to get anything other than levels right when tracking.
[05:13] <Blank__> as long as you've got headroom, mixing can be done later (if all you're doing is recording things)
[05:13] <nevyn> Blank__: right. but if you're doing out of the box mixing you've got to get the mixer levels right There and Then.
[05:14] <persia> nitemovz, I may be wrong, or something new may have come out, but last I looked there existed nothing worth having that was sold as a "USB Mixer".  Most of them were just regular mixers with channels 3+4 and one send/return hardwired to an internal USB 4x4 interface.
[05:14] <Blank__> true, nevyn
[05:14] <nitemovz> Okay, so, where would be a good place to purchase a mixer?
[05:14] <persia> nevyn, Depending on your sources when you do OOB mixing, "there and then" might be at home, at your leisure :)
[05:15] <nitemovz> Is MusiciansFriend.com a good place? Or a place like B&H?
[05:15] <nevyn> persia: but there and then when you've got the band sitting there waiting on you to do stuff.
[05:15] <persia> nevyn, Ah, for recording, I don't like using OOB mixers unless I don't have enough channels :)
[05:16] <nitemovz> I am looking to do my in-box mixing. rather than oob.
[05:16] <nevyn> persia: right and given nitemovz's target of recording full ensembles. I think it's safer to do in the box mixing
[05:16] <persia> For mixing and mastering, I like having the extra analog play if using OOB effects (although I only get to do this sort of thing when I visit someone else's studio, as I don't have the hardware)
[05:16] <nevyn> persia: I get that.
[05:16] <nitemovz> Would I be able to use your standard mixer to set my levels, and then do my final mixing in box?
[05:17] <persia> O, aye.
[05:17] <persia> nitemovz, Sure, but depending on your audio interface, you may not need that.  Many audio interfaces have per-channel gain controls to set levels.
[05:18] <nevyn> nitemovz: unless you're confident in nailing the mix on a desk quickly.. I'd suggest against a mixing desk initially
[05:18] <nevyn> tho I do like the look of a dedicated recorder like the zoom16
[05:19] <nevyn> the cute thing is it's a interface and daw controller when hooked to a pc.. and an 8 channel recorder when standalone.
[05:19] <nevyn> so you get to track with a minimum of gear.
[05:19] <nitemovz> Would something like http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Tascam-FW1884-FireWire-AudioMIDI-Interface-and-DAW-Control-Surface?sku=240703#used be recommended?
[05:19] <nevyn> yeah same sortof deal as the zoom.
[05:20] <nitemovz> Awesome.
[05:20] <nevyn> I think
[05:20] <nitemovz> The only time I have done any recording is in an actual studio setting where they have had about a million bucks worth of equipment.
[05:20] <persia> Just be aware that the knobs and buttons on that sort of thing don't work on the plugs in the back, but rather send signals to the software which sends signals to the audio interface.
[05:20] <nevyn> dunno about support
[05:21] <nevyn> persia: umm yes they do.
[05:21] <nevyn> persia: these things have two modes.
[05:21] <nevyn> stand alone
[05:21] <nevyn> where it works like a normal desk and records to internal storage
[05:21] <nevyn> and DAW mode where it works as an audio interface and control surface
[05:21] <persia> The 1884 has internal storage?
[05:22] <nitemovz> Okay, I am trying to price out some inexpensive stuff right now.
[05:22] <nevyn> umm no the zoom does.
[05:22] <persia> I'll believe you about the zoom, but I'm 99% sure the FW-1884 doesn't do that.
[05:22] <nevyn> I thought it was like the zoom 16 but it isn't
[05:22] <nitemovz> What would be a good standalone mixer and FW/USB interface to get on an extremely low budget?
[05:22] <nevyn> nitemovz: do you really want a mixer.
[05:22] <persia> Tascam FW-1884 is a lot like the M-Audio ProjectMix
[05:23] <nevyn> yeah it's missing the standalone operation aspect.
[05:23] <nevyn> which is a shame.
[05:23] <nevyn> cause they're less plasticy than the zoom16
[05:24] <nevyn> nitemovz: I'd suggest a suitible interface with as many channels as you can afford. a minimum of 8 analog inputs and preferably 16
[05:25] <persia> Probably not a bad idea to get one with ADAT-in so that you can add another set of analog ins fairly easily later, if you want.
[05:25] <nevyn> I assume at 16 in 8 of those will be Adat
[05:26] <nevyn> but if the goal is recording a band including drums guitars, vocals and sax then 8 channels is going to be tight.
[05:26] <nevyn> and he really needs 16 imho.
[05:26] <nitemovz> Would anyone be able to recommend an inexpensive yet good quality interface?
[05:26] <nevyn> unless he's comefortable mixing the drums outside the box.
[05:27] <nitemovz> I am new to building a studio like this.
[05:27] <nitemovz> Drums will always be mixed oob
[05:27] <nevyn> why?
[05:27] <nitemovz> That is the only way I have ever dealt with drums
[05:29] <nevyn> mixing in the box let's you apply different compression to individual pieces of the kit if you so desire.
[05:29] <nitemovz> I have no experience with in box mixing of drums
[05:30] <nitemovz> You all seem to know more about this than me. Would someone be willing to review a product and tell me if it is a good choice or not?
[05:30] <nitemovz> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/618073-REG/Lexicon_U82S_I_Onix_U82S_USB.html#features
[05:31] <nevyn> so if we assume for a second you're going to mix drums OOTB and send a stereo line of resultant drums for recording... then you need 2x guitar 3x mic etc
[05:31] <nevyn> and you're at 8 inputs already so it's still tight but not impossible.
[05:32] <nevyn> nitemovz: mixing in the box is more flexible and delays concreting decisions. (effectively) this is the benefit
[05:32] <nitemovz> Yes, I will probably record drums in a separate session from the rest of the instruments though.
[05:33] <nevyn> so you would record drums then overlay vocals, guitar etc?
[05:33] <nitemovz> Therefore, that would allow for me to use all the inputs for the drums, and mix in-the-box
[05:33] <nitemovz> Yes.
[05:33] <nevyn> yes
[05:35] <nitemovz> What would I need for a good headphone monitoring system for my musicians as well as for myself?
[05:36] <persia> One note about that interface: the price is nice, but it doesn't have any digital I/O or clock signal, so it's not easily expandable.
[05:36] <nevyn> spdif clocking maybe...
[05:36] <persia> maybe
[05:36] <nevyn> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/557223-REG/M_Audio_9900_52570_00_Fast_Track_Ultra_8R.html this has external clocking via spdif..
[05:36] <nevyn> and has a very similar spec list
[05:37] <nitemovz> Thank you for the recommendation.
[05:37] <persia> But a focusrite 40 sells for a similar price (Yes, Lexicon has better pres).
[05:37] <nevyn> a focusrite 40 is a WAY more supported option right now via linux.
[05:38] <nevyn> I know the fast track ultra works.. but it's not yet what I'd call "solid" like the focusrite stuff
[05:38] <nevyn> and getting some bits working requires patches or newer alsa or other software magics.
[05:40] <nitemovz> I appreciate the help guys.
[05:42] <nevyn> nitemovz: if you have firewire and the budget get something on this list:
[05:42] <nevyn> http://www.ffado.org/?q=devicesupport%2Flist&filter0=&filter1=&op2=OR&filter2[]=perfect&filter2[]=verygood
[05:42] <nitemovz> I placed an order for both of those interfaces. When they arrive I will definitely figure out which is the better of the two, and then use one for mobile with my laptop, and the other for my studio.
[05:42] <persia> which two?
[05:43] <nitemovz> The Lexicon and then the M-Audio
[05:44] <nevyn> wow
[05:44] <persia> Yeah.
[05:45]  * nevyn can't handle the power of that.
[05:45] <nevyn> the m-audio works but like the patch for controlling the mixer was written 3 weeks ago.
[05:45] <persia> Given the shape of them, he'll pick the Lexicon for the laptop, but I'm not sure he understood about planning out a studio, etc.
[05:46]  * nevyn kinda likes the idea of the jamlab stuff for monitor mixes etc.
[05:46] <nevyn> it sucks it can't just dump every input into a multitrack recording tho.
[05:47] <nevyn> it only records stereo aiui which means making the mix decisions there and then.
[05:47] <persia> By "jamlab" you mean M-Audio's 1x1 USB interfaces?
[05:48] <nevyn> no.
[05:48] <nevyn> I ment jamhub
[05:48] <nevyn> but my brain was broken
[05:50] <persia> That's cool.  Way cooler than a mixer in the back with monitor headphones.
[05:50] <nevyn> yes yes it is.
[05:50] <nevyn> and it has little remote units.
[05:51] <nevyn> so you can run a lead to the drummer so they can control their mix from where they are.
[05:53] <Blank__> not all drummers want the hassle of controlling mixes themselves, but if i was drumming i certainly would
[05:53] <Blank__> controlling monitor mixes*
[05:53] <persia> Yeah.  What makes it nicer than the standard monitor distribution systems is the individual mixing.
[05:53] <persia> Blank__, Only have to set it once if you like, but none of that "Hey, turn down your amp!"
[05:54] <Blank__> wouldn't that imply isolation is required to get the monitor mix you want?
[05:54] <nevyn> persia: I think that it's a really cool idea.
[05:54] <nevyn> I just wish you could get the wav for each channel out of it.
[05:54] <persia> Blank__, No, because the monitor mixes only go to headphones, and nobody is driving real speakers.
[05:54] <nevyn> and I can't see that you can.
[05:54] <persia> It simulates isolation (except for acoustic drums)
[05:55] <persia> nevyn, For that you need a hearback, but that gets pricey fast.
[05:55] <nevyn> oh...
[05:55] <nevyn> cause it's mostly analog and there's only a stereo ADC
[05:56]  * nevyn just worked out why there's not independant wav's
[05:56] <persia> It's mostly just a collection of analog mixers, all crosswired.
[05:56] <persia> I suppose you could think of it as 6-bus mixer or something, if you wanted, but it's not as flexible as that.
[05:58] <nevyn> but the win is in the layout and being able to outsource the mix
[05:59] <persia> I think the win is the price.
[06:00] <persia> Aviom or HearBack lets you do the same sort of thing, with better integration to the master buses (either on a mixer board or an audio interface), but at much higher cost.
[06:00] <nevyn> a few people in #lad have been mooting using a control surface application (like fingerplay) and a audio feed to control monitor mixers
[06:01] <nevyn> so you have a normal return monitor feed but do itb mixing controlled by an android phone or tablet.
[06:01] <nevyn> and hand the tablet to the artist.
[06:02] <persia> Makes sense.  I'd probably use something like the Korg NanoKontrol for the mix, rather than a phone, but I like weird USB devices.
[06:02]  * nevyn keeps wanting a nanocontrol
[06:03] <nevyn> persia: phone means you don't have to route usb into the studio.
[06:03] <nevyn> but blah
[06:03] <persia> they don't cost that much, although they also don't do that much :)
[06:03] <persia> ducts, but sure.
[06:03] <nevyn> usb bus length etc etc.
[06:04] <nevyn> software defined interface allows labeling from the control box
[06:04] <nevyn> provide new control via software
[06:04] <nevyn> the vocalist keeps complaining about not enough reverb.. whack the effect in their monitor path slave the control to blah whack it out to their controller.
[06:05] <persia> Hmm...
[06:05]  * nevyn thinks big ;)
[06:05] <persia> And one doens't really care about control latency when it's just montor controls to quiet the talent.
[06:06] <nevyn> yep
[06:07] <nevyn> and vocalists ALWAYS want WAY too much reverb...
[06:07] <nevyn> <-- vocalist ;)
[06:07] <nevyn> its something I have to be extremely concious of when attempting to master stuff
[06:07] <persia> Try doing some choral work: you'll find you don't care as much about reverb then (but otherwise, yeah)
[06:07] <nevyn> I do choral work.
[06:08] <persia> And you still want that much reverb?
[06:08] <nevyn> there's a reason choirs like big halls.
[06:08] <persia> heh
[06:08] <nevyn> and big cathedrals
[06:08] <persia> and dislike flat fields.
[06:08] <nevyn> or outdoor performances
[06:09] <nevyn> (without a sound shell)
[06:10] <nevyn> the problem in choral stuff particularly is if the space is too dead it's harder to tune.
[06:10]  * nevyn is running a work xmas choir and had a first rehersal today.
[06:10] <nevyn> well there's a team of three running it.
[06:11] <nevyn> I'm choral coach/choirmaster there's a librarian (who can typeset sheet music YAY) an accompanist and a general organiser ;)
[06:12] <persia> Sounds like fun.
[06:13] <nevyn> we got through a whole song in the first rehersal. and sang silent night in 3 parts.
[06:13] <nevyn> we need to recruit some Tenors.
[06:14] <nevyn> but for a first rehersal I'm really pleased and encouraged.
 and vocalists ALWAYS want WAY too much reverb..
[07:21] <Blank__> truth
[07:22] <Blank__> i was trying to help a vocalist mix some stuff and she put tons of the stuff on, it was as if the whole performance was in a concrete bathroom
[07:24] <nevyn> there's a reason that vocalists make recordings in toilet blocks at school...
[07:24] <Blank__> they *really* like hearing themselves
[07:25] <nevyn> it helps us tune.
[07:25] <nevyn> singing's a confidence game
[07:25] <Blank__> i was thinking more after the fact
[07:25] <Blank__> but i see what you mean
[07:25] <nevyn> and if you hear yourself and it sounds good you get more confidant and more relaxed ;)
[07:26] <nevyn> and relaxing is KEY to singing well
[07:26] <nevyn> the work choir is rehearsing in a glass box. it's WAY bright. but  at this stage that's kinda helpful (new singers.. not that confident etc.
[07:26] <nevyn> glass box  meeting room made of glass.
[07:27] <Blank__> ah
[07:29] <persia> Oh, that makes sense.  I never heard it explained so cogently before.
[08:13] <nevyn> :)
[10:06] <persia> poine, So, to continue, do you need 6ms?
[10:07] <poine> i used to use 6ms on lucid - do you think it's too low a value ?
[10:10] <persia> I never worry about getting less than 10.
[10:11] <persia> But I'm usually just fiddling around with loops and soundscapes, so don't mind a bit of lag.
[10:11] <persia> I think latency is more important if you're doing realtime recording.
[10:11] <poine> I'm trying at the moment with 11.6ms and still get xruns
[10:15] <persia> OK.  Do you feel laggy in your operation?
[10:17] <poine> what do you mean ? I don't have my instrument here so I can't say for sure if 11.6ms is a problem. but I'm playing with sessions I recorded before and I get xruns with 11.6ms latency
[10:18] <persia> Right.  So, when playing with recorded audio, or impacts, I don't tend to notice latency so much, because there's little physical feedback between action and reaction.
[10:18] <poine> i use my computer as a loop pedal - so alot of interactions
[10:18] <persia> My recommendations would be to first, see what you're running: maybe you can quit a few applications to reduce the number of demands on the processor.
[10:19] <persia> Second, try increasing the latency until you get no xruns: see if you can feel a difference in how it behaves.
[10:19] <poine> except for chrome, nothing else is running
[10:19] <persia> If it feels laggy, your latency is too high.
[10:19] <persia> browsers tend to be resource-hungry, especially if they are open to sites with javascript or flash :)
[10:19] <poine> frames/period and period/buffer - which one should I play with ?
[10:20] <persia> I usually play with period/buffer first, and then frames/period.
[10:25] <armitage_> hi
[10:26] <poine> keep getting xruns :(
[10:26] <armitage> hi
[10:26] <persia> poine, OK.  Maybe you do need a lowlatency kernel :)
[10:26] <persia> I think there's one in abogani's PPA.
[10:27] <poine> i'm getting issues with versions
[10:28] <armitage> someone used ever openoctave?
[10:28] <persia> poine, Right, I'm not sure how to help you with that: to build nvidia modules you need headers that match your kernel.
[10:30] <poine> exactly persia, that was my problem, find a matching lowlatency or realtime kernel and headers
[10:31] <persia> Did you try getting them from abogani's PPA?  There appear to be headers to match each image there.
[10:33] <poine> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/abogani/ppa/ubuntu maverick main deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/abogani/ppa/ubuntu maverick main
[10:33] <poine> this is what I have in my /etc/apt/sources.list.d/abogani-ppa-maverick.list
[10:34] <poine> poine@stripe:~$ apt-cache search lowlatency
[10:34] <poine> linux-image-2.6.35-20-lowlatency-pae
[10:35] <persia> You might want to change that to lucid then.
[10:35] <persia> Or maybe not
[10:35]  * persia looks harder
[10:35] <persia> No, it looks like he's not distributing anything for 35-20 anymore.
[10:37] <persia> Looks like the discussion started https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2010-October/002645.html
[10:37] <persia> Basically, nobody volunteered to help Alessio, so he stopped.
[10:39] <poine> bummer :(
[10:49] <poine> so it looks like it was a bad idea to upgrade to maverick
[10:49] <poine> I had no idea abogani was that much pissed of
[10:51] <persia> He's gotten very little support from anyone over the years, and it's a huge amount of work.
[10:53] <poine> too bad - I should have told him i loved his realtime kernel on lucid - I had no idea this was the work of a single person
[10:54] <persia> Absolutely.  Has been all along.
[10:57] <poine> so.... now I should either downgrade my laptop to lucid or stop trying to use it for music - that sucks
[10:58] <persia> Or install the lucid kernel and use that.
[10:58] <poine> ok - trying that
[10:59] <poine> is canonical not interested in real time kernels ?
[11:01] <persia> Dunno.  Looked like at least one person from Canonical was involved in that discussion.
[11:02] <persia> But Canonical only represents a minority of Ubuntu Development, and they need to make money (they contribute enough to Ubuntu that they deserve more thanks for what they give us than complaint for what they don't)
[11:50] <ert> someone can help me? I have a problem with freemix(live video performance tool), it dont read video files i've tried with different format but nothing ...
[11:51] <ert> I have ubuntu studio 10.04 lucid lynx
[11:53] <ert> it need some program like jack(for audio), ther isn't documentation tutorial or some stuff like that...
[11:53] <ert> ?


[18:28] <nteodosio> Can I push a button to receive mail for not only failed builds, but also successful builds?


[00:58] <fictionalhippo_> Please, can someone help me?
[01:00] <wilee-nilee> fictionalhippo_, Possibly if you state your problem to the channel, thats how this works, your on ubuntu now so apply this there.
[01:01] <fictionalhippo_> Ok, so im still a beginner with Ubuntu. I've got Ubuntu 13.04 running alongside windows 7. My problem is i cant seem to find the drivers for my wireless adapter.
[01:01] <Tiweh> My non-pae install boots to tty instead of gui.
[01:20] <wilee-nilee> fictionalhippo_, I could find no instructions for that belkin router
[01:21] <wilee-nilee> fictionalhippo_, Do you have an internal card that works?
[01:22] <fictionalhippo_> wilee-nilee, is there a difference between a router and a wireless adapter?
[01:22] <fictionalhippo_> And no, there is no internal card just the usb adapter that i am using.
[01:23] <wilee-nilee> fictionalhippo_, When I see router I think of one that sits on my desk, however being specific always helps, I looked up that belkin as you described it.
[01:23] <wilee-nilee> fictionalhippo_, lsusb will tell you what ubuntu see if run in the terminal.
[01:23] <wilee-nilee> sees*
[01:24] <wilee-nilee> I have yet to try a usb wifi device and not have it plug and work, many do.
[01:25] <fictionalhippo_> Sorry about that, its a USB wireless adapter. I've run the lsusb command and it tells me Bus 001 Device 003: ID 050d:110a Belkin components
[01:33] <wilee-nilee> fictionalhippo_, Not my area of knowledge in general, I do see some info ralink and a driver by searching with ID 050d:110a Belkin  but noting I can isolate as exact info. https://www.google.com/search?q=ID+050d%3A110a+Belkin+&btnG=Search&hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&gbv=1  You might try the main channel with this new lsusb info.
[01:34] <wilee-nilee> nothing*
[01:38] <fictionalhippo_> Alright, so on the main channel how should i word it to get the best response? Also, thank you for helping me. I'm sure i seem like annoying not knowing much about all this.
[01:39] <wilee-nilee> fictionalhippo_, I would give the name and the lsusb info, but I think think this usb device is just not well known and may not work anyway so it is hit and miss,
[01:40] <wilee-nilee> If it does work, it may not be worth the hassle, when you can get ones that plug and play that are cheap.
[01:41] <fictionalhippo_> Well that'd be my luck. I always seem to get the not so well known devices. Thanks for the help. Are there any usb wireless adapters that you suggest i could buy?
[01:43] <wilee-nilee> fictionalhippo_, Not really the two I used I bought at a local store called fred meyers in the US, I forget the names. If I was trying to find one I would look close by so I could return it or on a returnable website like amazon...etc, I suspect a web search will find linux plug and play wifi, there is a outdated ubuntu wiki on ones that tested to work.
[01:43] <wilee-nilee> !wifi
[01:45] <wilee-nilee> fictionalhippo_, Might be a list of ones linked here. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecommendedHardware
[02:08] <needy> hey guys :) quick question: I'm on a macbook pro right now which is my only system currently and i want to create a bootable ubuntu12.04 usb stick; using the latest unetbootin i am not lucky, my PC-to-be-used returns "missing operating system". solutions i found refer to installing ubuntu ON a mac, not simply creating a bootable device. (CD/DVD is no option) any tips / help ?
[11:44] <jalcine> morning guys
[13:26] <vegeta315> trying to get the wireless working on a HP Pavilion DV6000
[15:18] <holstein> vegeta315: broadcom?
[15:18] <holstein> !broadcom
[15:19] <holstein> the "easy" way will be to wire up to wired network, and just install what is needed
[16:25] <vegeta315> holstein thanks
[17:27] <vegeta315> tried the broadcom didnt work for me will ndiswrapper work?
[22:22] <ryan___> Hello, I'm new to Ubuntu & Linux and recently installed 12.04.  Everything was working fine until I made a mistake yesterday.  I tried to install the education pack not knowing what edubuntu was (abortive installation attempt).  It seems like this has caused some issues with Unity dash Application Search.  The Search panel is there it is just empty.  Can anyone help me get the apps appearing...
[22:22] <ryan___> ...in the panel again?
[22:58] <ryan___> I've tried resetting unity, logging on and logging off, resetting the cache for unity and software center and nothing has worked so far
[23:00] <rreed> ryan___, I honestly wouldn't be able to be of much assistance in helping you find a solution, but if this channel is slow right now, you can always stop by #Ubuntu and ask there, as well.
[23:06] <wilee-nilee> ryan___, You might try #edubuntu
[23:07] <wilee-nilee> ryan___, Problem with using the software center is no actual package install list, a apt-get would generate one to save and synaptic has a history.
[23:10] <wilee-nilee> ryan___, Can you pastebin a sudo apt-get update
[23:51] <ryan___> Thanks rreed.  wilee-nilee I did download synaptic yesterday - used Ubuntu back in the hardy heron days for a bit and took me a while to find synaptic.  much quicker and better than software center.
[23:52] <ryan___> willee-nilee, can could you walk me though the commands I should use in terminal?


[20:58] <feisty-fox[m]> Hello UbuntuStudio users!
[21:00] <tomreyn> hello there
[21:00] <feisty-fox[m]> Hi, can someone point me in the right direction to updating/upgrading Ardour? Right now I'm on 20.04 LTS. My Ardour is 5.12
[21:03] <tomreyn> !latest | feisty-fox[m]: generally, this applies
[21:03] <tomreyn> but then there is the US Backports PPA, as well as https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/ardour-backports
[21:05] <tomreyn> Note that the ardour backports PPA may not be supported at all.
[21:06] <feisty-fox[m]> Hmmm
[21:06] <feisty-fox[m]> Well thanks
[21:07] <tomreyn> there's a chance you can get a more reliable response on its support status if you stay here for some more hours
[21:07] <feisty-fox[m]> Just trying to wrap my head around all this stuff
[21:11] <tomreyn> https://ubuntustudio.org/2020/06/ardour-6-0-information/ has some more background
[21:19] <corrinado[m]>  feisty-fox Not that this is 'supported' directly by the folks behind the OS, version 6.9.0 is available from Flathub via Flatpak. You'd need to read up on how to get those enabled for your install. But it isn't difficult and might help you get around some of these styles of issues
[21:20] <Eickmeyer> Ardour 6.9 is in the backports PPA.
[21:21] <feisty-fox[m]> @tomreyn Say I was running a different OS and downloaded Ardour from ardour.org. It looks to me like the licensing is such that you have to pay something (or else get periodic silence if you choose free/demo version). But Ubuntu Studio jjust came with a licensed (?)  version of Ardour? I guess? Really what I'm wondering is, if I follow the  backports path to Ardour 6, will my existing license still work?
[21:21] <Eickmeyer> corrinado[m]: Considering that's an Ubuntu Studio PPA, we fully support it.
[21:21] <Eickmeyer> feisty-fox[m]: The PPA that tomreyn pointed to is supported.
[21:21] <Eickmeyer> 6.9 is the latest release of Ardour.
[21:22] <Eickmeyer> tomreyn: Why wouldn't we support it? Focal is still supported until April 2023.
[21:23] <tomreyn> Eickmeyer: i wasn't sure whether you were ready to support this specific PPA, which is not the same as the main US backports PPA.
[21:23] <Eickmeyer> tomreyn: It's under the same team (~ubuntustudio-ppa).
[21:24] <Eickmeyer> !ardour-backports
[21:24] <tomreyn> Eickmeyer: yes, i noticed this, but didn't want to make false promises.
[21:24] <Eickmeyer> Oh, that's not a thing.
[21:24] <Eickmeyer> !ardour
[21:24] <Eickmeyer> I need to make some snippets eventually.
[21:25] <tomreyn> feisty-fox[m]: i can't comment on the licensing topic, have not checked this myself.
[21:25] <Eickmeyer> feisty-fox[m]: Ardour themselves don't give end-user technical support to distribution-built versions of their source, but they do support us with building it.
[21:26] <Eickmeyer> The distribution-built version does not have the demo limitation.
[21:27] <corrinado[m]> That's good to know Eickmeyer . Since I was pointing directly to the Flathub/Flatpak method, I didn't want to put your team on the hook for support
[21:28] <Eickmeyer> corrinado[m]: Yeah, we can't officially support that one, and I have no experience with it myself.
[21:28] <feisty-fox[m]> Does the A6 backports have the demo limitation? I'm guessing likely not but I don't want to be badly surprised
[21:28] <Eickmeyer> feisty-fox[m]: No.
[21:29] <feisty-fox[m]> s/Does the A6 backports have the demo limitation? I'm guessing likely not but I don't want to be badly surprised/Does the Ardour 6 backports have the demo limitation? I'm guessing likely not but I don't want to be badly surprised /
[21:29] <Eickmeyer> The demo limitation is a patch that the Ardour people put into that specific version. The main source code does not contain that patch.
[21:29] <Eickmeyer> We build only from source.
[21:30] <feisty-fox[m]> Ok, thanks
[21:30] <feisty-fox[m]> I understand
[22:13] <nibblyn[m]> Hi! UbuntuStudio 21.10: Qsynth, reverb and chorus are not working for me. Issue already reported by another user in https://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=24090. Is this a known problem?
[22:36] <Eickmeyer> nibblyn[m]: New version of qsynth is building in the backports.
[22:37] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-backports


[11:28] <xmod> hi, just installed ubuntu studio 19.04, live CD worked fine now that its installed my videocard doesnt detect. cant install nvidia drivers |?
[12:03] <m_ad[m]> Not through Software & Updates --> Additional Drivers?
[14:43] <OerHeks>  /clear
[14:44] <Eickmeyer> O_o
[14:44] <Eickmeyer>  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[14:58] <OvenWerks> I was trying to see if there was a /foggy or /clutter
[16:02] <xmod> yeah the lastest driver is seletected onadditional driver, also tried to turn off the Nouveau driver and make the nvidia one default but nothing seems to stick.\
[16:22] <Eickmeyer> !nvidia | xmod xmod_: Have you tried any of this?
[20:32] <studio-user285> i am running regular ubuntu and would like to just upgrade to ubuntu studio 19.04 can you help me do that
[20:59] <Eickmeyer> Sure, if you stick around longer than 5 minutes. :P
[20:59] <Eickmeyer> Sorry, 10.
[21:21] <veremitz> usually I give them the 10 mins test for any web* client .. because they're rarely patient enough to stick around. CADT and all that :(
[21:21] <veremitz> *must have instaresponse*
[21:25] <Eickmeyer> veremitz: Yeah, good point.
[21:28] <veremitz> its a quick filter :) learnt that one from #beagle :D
[23:28] <studio-user737> so i downloaded wine through the terminal (im a root user), but it keeps saying wine doesn't belong to me. EVERY time i reinstall it. what do i do?
[23:37] <studio-user640> portuguese?
[23:38] <studio-user640> Alguém fala Português?
[23:40] <Unit193> Hello!  This is an English support channel, if you can do that then fine, otherwise...
[23:40] <Unit193> !pt
[23:40] <studio-user640> Thanks
[23:42] <veremitz> I wonder about the effectiveness of having links to webchat for support ..
[23:42] <veremitz> the kinda people who use them .. aren't really gonna be well versed in netiquette ..
[23:43] <veremitz> because $web.


[05:21] <Kilos> morning all
[06:10] <Squirm> morning
[06:10] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[07:34] <Kilos> hi bduk
[07:48] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday
[07:53] <Kilos> oh my, they got a bad connection today
[07:54] <Squirm> my connection is still awesome
[07:54] <Kilos> yay
[07:54] <Kilos> mine is slow but normally very constant
[07:54] <Kilos> i see everyone else part/join
[08:06] <Symmetria> lol
[08:06] <Symmetria> gotta love BMW
[08:06] <Symmetria> I phone em and I'm like, I need a service, they go, your motorplan expired 10 days ago, Im like, how much to extend it, they go 15 grand, I said fine, paid it, got it extended, took the car for a service (knowing full well there was something seriously wrong with it)
[08:07] <Symmetria> they come back and go "errr, you've got a blown turbo, we'll fix it under the motor plan"
[08:07] <Symmetria> I said "as a matter of interest, how much WOULD that have cost if it HADNT been in motorplan" they are like "57k"
[08:07] <Symmetria> haha
[08:13] <tinuva> rofl
[08:13] <Kilos> wow
[08:14] <tinuva> smart, and lucky you are
[08:15] <Kilos> very lucky
[08:26] <Squirm> hey Symmetria
[08:27] <tal0n> Hello
[08:27] <Kilos> hi tal0n
[09:02] <Kilos> sorry guys
[09:31] <Kilos> hi psyatw
[09:31] <Kilos> so when do you leave
[09:40] <Kilos> morning inetpro plustwo Mzolisto
[09:41] <Kilos> and hi superfly
[09:41] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[10:09] <superfly> hi Kilos
[10:13] <charl_> hi superfly, Kilos
[10:13] <charl_> got a strange problem friday - during an update of 13.04 the processing of apport failed
[10:14] <psyatw> hi charl_
[10:14] <psyatw> hi superfly
[10:14] <charl_> hi psyatw
[10:15] <charl_> not sure what to do about this: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: apport is broken or not fully installed
[10:15] <charl_> very strange, first time in years that an update has gone wrong
[10:17] <Kilos> hi charl_
[10:17] <Kilos> do aptitude reinstall apport
[10:17] <Kilos> that should give some feedback at least
[10:18] <charl_> ok, first have to install aptitude
[10:18] <Kilos> or dont you use aptitude
[10:19] <charl_> doesn't matter, installing it now
[10:19] <Kilos> haha thats one of the first things i install
[10:19] <Kilos> its better than apt-get for lotsa things
[10:19] <charl_> ok running aptitude now
[10:19] <charl_> great, seems like it worked !
[10:19] <charl_> thanks Kilos
[10:19] <Kilos> yw
[10:20] <Kilos> always install aptitude and use for installing stuff and upgrading
[10:20] <charl_> yeah after this i think i'm just going to move to aptitude
[10:20] <charl_> been sticking to apt-get for way too long, lots of people have told me to move to aptitude already
[10:21] <Kilos> i always check with apt-get upgrade then do aptitude and it always does more and removes what inst necessary anymore
[10:21] <Kilos> isnt
[10:21] <charl_> i had one bad experience with aptitude a long time ago where it removed some packages it wasn't supposed it
[10:21] <charl_> *to
[10:21] <Kilos> oh you one of those that dont wash his ears
[10:21] <charl_> but that must have been like 7 years ago or something
[10:22] <charl_> lol
[10:22] <Kilos> there are some things like i saw a stupid game i wanted to remove and it said it must remove ubuntu-desktop as well
[10:22] <Kilos> always read
[10:22] <charl_> yeah exactly !
[10:23] <charl_> that's why i moved back to apt-get
[10:23] <charl_> sorry i gotta go to a meeting bbl
[10:23] <Kilos> i find the same thing in synaptic sometimes
[10:26] <charl_> yeah apt-get is dumb but sometimes that's a good thing
[10:26] <charl_> synaptic and aptitude are too smart for themselves :P
[10:26] <charl_> ok now really going :P
[10:26] <Kilos> hehe
[10:26] <Kilos> i love aptitude
[10:40] <Squirm> if only it had super cow powers :/
[10:40] <Kilos> at times its them powers that break things
[10:40] <Kilos> i think
[10:43] <Kilos> aptitude is safer to use most of the time
[13:45] <inetpro> good morning Kilos
[13:45] <inetpro> hello everyone else
[13:45] <Kilos> oh my goodness me inetpro where did you drop outa
[13:45] <inetpro> hmm...
[13:46] <Kilos> you gotta make some time sometime
[13:46] <Kilos> i need guidance with that office writer agan. but not now
[13:47] <Kilos> i also need some info about buying things online
[13:47]  * inetpro dropped out of the skies
[13:47] <Kilos> i found dvd multi writers for R165 or so but dunno how things work
[13:48] <Kilos> do they give bank acc. then i get money depositted there and they post it to me or what
[13:49] <Kilos> difficult being stupid ne
[13:50] <Kilos> i see the goodie Add to cart  but i dont even have a cart
[13:50] <Kilos> grrr
[13:52] <Kilos> inetpro, tell me man
[13:53] <inetpro> uh
[13:53] <inetpro> sorry
[13:53]  * inetpro busy
[13:53] <Kilos> ok
[13:54] <inetpro> Kilos: depends on the site
[13:54] <inetpro> some you can trust less than others
[13:54] <Kilos> hi Vince-0
[13:54] <Vince-0> Haai mense
[13:54] <Kilos> ok ill get links
[13:55] <inetpro> Kilos: most of the times they just want your credit card
[13:55] <Kilos> had a bad time here tried to make remastersys dvd and couldnt write to dvdrom so got sis to get other make dvd's and she brought dual layers
[13:55] <Kilos> i dont have one man
[13:55] <Kilos> cash only
[13:56] <inetpro> you can't transfer cash over the interwebs
[13:56] <Kilos> ya but if they give acc. no. i can get sis to go deposit next time she goes in
[13:57] <inetpro> hmm... don't think that will work
[13:57] <inetpro> unless it's a local thingy
[13:59] <Kilos> http://www.pricecheck.co.za/categories/142/DVD+Drives/
[13:59] <Kilos> lemme go to one
[14:01] <Vince-0> yoh there's my mobile client - will be out and about tonight for the meet
[14:02] <Kilos> http://www.purpleflytrading.co.za/uncategorized-c-92760/lg-dvd-24x-writer-retail-p-2819476.html
[14:03] <Kilos> you not gonna make it Vince-0 ?
[14:03] <Kilos> is that purple fly group crooks
[14:04] <Vince-0> I'll make it from the mobile
[14:04] <Kilos> what happened to your wifi?
[14:04] <Vince-0> DSL is broken for days now
[14:05] <Kilos> eish
[14:05] <Vince-0> yaar as soon as I get home, DSL is out and PC mobo is dead
[14:06] <Vince-0> I'm sure I complained about it here already
[14:06] <Kilos> that sucks
[14:06] <Kilos> where is the prob do you think?
[14:06] <Kilos> you gotta find someone to keep mailing till you get action
[14:09] <Vince-0> no liny sync to the dslam
[14:09] <Vince-0> happens every few months
[14:13] <Symmetria> why the hell is SAA using ported phone numbers on their land line when you call them
[14:13] <Symmetria> are they using bloody cell phones in their call centre or something
[14:13] <Kilos> lol
[14:13] <Kilos> then they can lie at home and answer
[14:14] <Symmetria> well the assholes need to learn that the reason they have a platinum card holder line is so that people with plat cards can actually PHONE IT and hear what people are saying on the other end
[14:14]  * Symmetria is grumpy
[14:16] <Squirm> Maaz: weather in Mooirivier
[14:16] <Maaz> Squirm: That didn't seem to agree with me
[14:16] <Squirm> Maaz: weather in Mooirivier, za
[14:16] <Maaz> Squirm: That didn't go down very well. Burp.
[14:16] <Squirm> hmm
[14:16] <Symmetria> maaz: weather in london
[14:17] <Maaz> Symmetria: Too many places match london: London, Arkansas; London, Kentucky; London, Minnesota; London, Ohio; London, Ontario; London, Texas; London, United Kingdom and London, West Virginia
[14:17] <Symmetria> maaz: weather in london, united kingdom
[14:17] <Maaz> Symmetria: In London, United Kingdom at 1:50 PM GMT on October 28, 2013: 13°C; Humidity: 77%; Wind: West at 30 km/h; Conditions: Light Rain Showers; Sunrise/set: 6:48 AM GMT/4:41 PM GMT; Moonrise/set: /1:53 PM GMT
[14:17] <Kilos> hehe
[14:17] <Symmetria> ;p maaz lies, the real answer for that is always the same: "shit"
[14:17] <Symmetria> ;p
[14:17] <Squirm> lol
[14:17] <Symmetria> maaz: weather in cupertino, california
[14:17] <Maaz> Symmetria: In Moffett NAS, California at 7:10 AM PDT on October 28, 2013: 12°C; Humidity: 7°C; Wind: 28 km/h; Conditions: Scattered Clouds; Sunrise/set: 7:29 AM PDT/6:14 PM PDT; Moonrise/set: 1:34 AM PDT/2:52 PM PDT
[14:18] <Symmetria> wtf, 12C
[14:18] <Symmetria> its california, its supposed to be NICE weather
[14:18]  * Symmetria shoots maaz for giving him bad news
[14:19] <Kilos> noman dont shoot the coffee maker
[14:20] <Kilos> tell him sorry Symmetria
[14:44] <Kilos> ry inetpro storm kom
[14:45] <inetpro> Kilos: serious!?
[14:45] <Kilos> hoor jy nie die donderweer nie?
[14:45] <inetpro> eish, nee
[14:50] <Kilos> lyk nog ok by julle
[14:50] <Kilos> kom van haartebeestpoort af
[14:50] <Kilos> krag klaar een keer geflikker jier
[15:01] <Kilos> s/jier/hier
[15:05] <Kilos> if i disappear power died
[16:03] <gwoodford> hi everyone
[16:41] <gwoodford> hey, i need some advice picking a new laptop. Any suggestions, i'm looking at the Lenovo range
[16:42] <inetpro> hi gwoodford
[16:42]  * inetpro unfortunately has never used the Lenovo range
[16:44] <inetpro> gwoodford: see http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/desktop/make/Lenovo/?category=Desktop&category=Laptop
[16:46] <gwoodford> thanks inetpro, if i want to be able to pay games, say from Steam, should i stick to only the nvidia ones?
[16:46] <inetpro> hmm... wish I had the answer for you
[16:47] <gwoodford> and also, should i filter on the available from ubuntu.com and not look at the available from manucturer
[16:47] <inetpro> I'm not sure where we stand with nvidia these days
[16:47] <Tonberry> for gaming on linux you are pretty much stuck with nvidia
[16:47] <gwoodford> Tonberry: yeah, think as much
[16:48] <gwoodford> but if you wanted to pay say R8000, which one would you get?
[16:48] <Tonberry> i haven't shopped for laptops in over a year
[16:49] <Tonberry> i have no idea whats out there
[16:49] <inetpro> superfly, tumbleweed: maybe you guys can help here?
[16:51] <tumbleweed> gwoodford: I like the T-series and X-series thinkpads
[16:52] <tumbleweed> (and so do most other people, I think)
[16:52] <inetpro> wb Kilos
[16:52] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[16:52] <Kilos> nearly thought i was gonna miss my first meeting, or have i missed one before
[16:52]  * tumbleweed has an X220 (the current replacement is X240)
[16:53] <gwoodford> tumbleweed: ok, i'll look through the T and X series and see what i like, thanks :)
[16:53] <tumbleweed> gwoodford: as to Nvidia
[16:53] <tumbleweed> I have no idea what nvidia is like on laptops these days, but I'd expect worse battery life than intel graphics
[16:54] <inetpro> gwoodford: please note that we have a meeting here at 20:30 this evening
[16:54] <tumbleweed> and switching between intel and nvidia on the fly (optimus) is still not very well supported
[16:54] <Kilos> hi gwoodford hope you were welcomed here
[16:55] <inetpro> anyone is welcome to attend
[16:55] <gwoodford> i currently have a dell vostro 1720, which uses nvidia, which has great gaming support, but it overheats and the battery is dying
[16:56] <Kilos> evening tumbleweed
[16:56] <gwoodford> inetpro: yes, i know
[16:56] <kbmonkey_> hello
[16:56] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey_
[16:56] <Kilos> with a tail
[16:56] <inetpro> kbmonkey_: wb, you chairing again this evening?
[16:57] <Kilos> inetpro:  tumbleweed whats the ibid command to restart when its on a host
[16:57] <kbmonkey_> yes
[16:57] <Kilos> hard work the ssh way
[16:57] <inetpro> cool
[16:58] <inetpro> Kilos: you just want to change the nick?
[16:58] <Kilos> that too ya inetpro
[16:58] <inetpro> I think it was as simple as "QA_: nick QA
[16:58] <inetpro> "
[16:58] <Kilos> ah lovely ty very much
[16:59] <kbmonkey> my hat am tired today
[17:00] <inetpro> Kilos: or rather "change nick to WHATEVER"
[17:02] <Kilos> thats the way ty
[17:02] <inetpro> mooi!
[17:02] <tumbleweed> Kilos: hi. ah, you got it
[17:02] <Kilos> yeah ty tumbleweed
[17:02] <Kilos> the pro is helpful at times
[17:03] <inetpro> ai!
[17:03] <inetpro> :-)
[17:03] <Kilos> lol
[17:03] <Kilos> that made my evening
[17:04] <Kilos> i think im gonna try kubuntu 13.10 next month
[17:04] <Kilos> everyone says its fast
[17:06]  * inetpro wbbl
[17:09] <Kilos> oh my where be the fly?
[17:17] <nuvolari> o/
[17:17] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos
[17:18] <nuvolari> is dit vanaand meeting?
[17:22] <Kilos> hi nuvolari yeah
[17:37] <kbmonkey> Maaz, tea please
[17:37] <Maaz> As soon as the kettle boils kbmonkey I will pour boiling water into your cup if you have the tea bag in already
[17:38] <kbmonkey> Maaz, make me a sandwich
[17:38] <Maaz> kbmonkey: What? Make it yourself.
[17:38] <kbmonkey> Maaz, sudo make me a sandwich
[17:38] <Maaz> kbmonkey: sudo make me a sandwich is $nick is not in sudoers file. This incident will be ported.
[17:38] <Kilos> lol
[17:38] <kbmonkey> he he
[17:39] <Kilos> thats the message centos kept giving me
[17:39] <kbmonkey> yup. server OS'es do not add users to sudoers by default
[17:42] <Kilos> lol
[17:42] <Kilos> ive removed it and put ubuntu there in case this pc dies
[17:44] <kbmonkey> oh my I must be tired. almost pasted loads of text into irc
[17:44] <kbmonkey> thank goodness for irssi, it stopped me
[17:47] <kbmonkey> net is having hiccups tonight
[17:47] <Kilos> lol
[17:48] <kbmonkey> not cool
[17:48] <Kilos> over 4 lines it kicks you
[17:48] <Kilos> or refuses to send
[17:48] <kbmonkey> every 2mins ithe net blacks out for a minute
[17:48] <Kilos> eish
[17:49] <Kilos> our internet is actually getting worse i think
[17:50] <kbmonkey> story of our lives
[17:51] <kbmonkey> how does the agenda look?
[17:54] <Kilos> havent looked
[17:54] <Kilos> i dont think theres is much
[17:54] <Kilos> maybe some in events
[17:55] <kbmonkey> still loading the loco page...
[17:55] <Kilos> someone had an inpromptu release party i saw in the mail
[17:56] <Kilos> and i think its maia thats organising one down there
[17:58] <Kilos> i read mails and delete most of them and chop and change tween kde and unity so forget most of whats said
[17:59] <Kilos> and trying to write a book with libreoffice is heavy work
[17:59] <kbmonkey> writing a book? nice one.
[17:59] <Kilos> there is no info i find for normal peeps
[17:59] <Kilos> booklet
[18:00] <kbmonkey> informative?
[18:01] <kbmonkey> or short story?
[18:01] <Kilos> how to fix pcs
[18:01] <Kilos> and do your own data recoveries and so on
[18:01] <Kilos> and i wanna sell it to windows peeps
[18:01] <Kilos> hehe
[18:02] <Kilos> they like paying for everything
[18:02] <kbmonkey> ;)
[18:03] <Kilos> if you cant beat them join them
[18:04] <Kilos> maybe i can get lotsa data if it sells
[18:13] <kbmonkey> I go make some tea
[18:18]  * Kilos reboots quick to unity
[18:20] <kbmonkey> Maaz, tell kilos welcome back
[18:20] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[18:21]  * inetpro getting ready for coffee and rusks
[18:21] <inetpro> anyone else for coffee?
[18:21] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[18:21]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[18:21] <Kilos> hehe
[18:21] <Kilos> pc seems a bit faster
[18:21] <kbmonkey> Kilos, the thunder is rolling in again
[18:21] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[18:21] <Maaz> Kilos: Sure
[18:24] <inetpro> kbmonkey: you have a huge agenda for tonight
[18:24] <kbmonkey> inetpro, you won't believe
[18:24] <kbmonkey> no, not really.
[18:25] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[18:25] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[18:25] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[18:25] <nuvolari> :-/
[18:25]  * nuvolari facedesks himself
[18:25] <nuvolari> oh wait, did I not miss it?
[18:26] <inetpro> :-)
[18:26] <inetpro> Maaz: danke
[18:26] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[18:26] <nuvolari> So suß
[18:27] <nuvolari> just enough time to fetch tea
[18:27] <nuvolari> bbiab
[18:31] <Kilos> time kbmonkey
[18:32] <Kilos> min peeps here i see
[18:33] <kbmonkey> it is time
[18:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, begin meeting about Monthly Ubuntu-ZA IRC meet
[18:33] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Excuse me?
[18:33] <kbmonkey> wat
[18:33] <Kilos> lol
[18:33] <kbmonkey> Maaz, start meeting about Monthly Ubuntu-ZA IRC meet
[18:33]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:34] <nuvolari> o/ hello kbmonkey
[18:34] <inetpro> Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer
[18:34] <Maaz> inetpro: Okay
[18:34] <kbmonkey> hi nuvolari
[18:34] <Kilos> Maaz, I am Miles Sharpe
[18:34] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[18:34] <kbmonkey> Maaz, I am Wesley Werner
[18:34] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Done
[18:34] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt
[18:34] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sure
[18:34] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Zorro
[18:34] <Maaz> nuvolari: Okay
[18:34] <tal0n> Maaz, I am Daan Schutte
[18:34] <Maaz> tal0n: Righto
[18:34] <Kilos> hehe
[18:34] <nuvolari> hmm, which one will I end up as?
[18:35] <inetpro> nuvolari: I think both
[18:35] <tal0n> hi everyone
[18:35]  * inetpro is not sure
[18:35] <Kilos> hi tal0n
[18:35] <inetpro> Maaz: minutes so far?
[18:35] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-10-28-18-33-57.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-10-28-18-33-57.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-10-28-18-33-57.html
[18:35] <nuvolari> hi tal0n, inetpro
[18:35] <nuvolari> thanks inetpro
[18:35] <kbmonkey> welcome everyone, to another monthly meeting.
[18:35] <kbmonkey> you can find the limited agenda at http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/666/detail/
[18:35] <inetpro> nuvolari: Zorro
[18:35] <nuvolari> oh dear
[18:36] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Welcome and previous minutes
[18:36] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcome and previous minutes
[18:36] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt
[18:36] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sure
[18:36] <kbmonkey> yes, welcome
[18:36] <inetpro> lol
[18:36] <nuvolari> sorry for the noise
[18:36] <kbmonkey> zorro has left the building
[18:36] <nuvolari> nooo! it won't take my override now
[18:36] <nuvolari> I guess my 2nd name will be Zorro :P
[18:37] <kbmonkey> lol
[18:37] <inetpro> we have a new member?
[18:37] <inetpro> tal0n: your first meeting?
[18:37] <kbmonkey> right, wrt the last meeting, there was some events that happened since then.
[18:38] <tal0n> inetpro: yes indeed
[18:38] <inetpro> tal0n: nice! Hope you'll be back for many more
[18:38] <kbmonkey> there was software freedom day. and there was, um.. PyCon
[18:38] <nuvolari> welcome tal0n  :) Hope you have a good time here
[18:38] <inetpro> sadly it looks like tonight will be mare routine if I look at the short agenda
[18:39] <kbmonkey> Let us keep an eye out for photos on those events, post em through the mailing list.
[18:39] <inetpro> s/mare/mere/
[18:39] <kbmonkey> a mare mistake inetpro
[18:39] <Kilos> hehe
[18:39] <tal0n> thanks inetpro, nuvolari
[18:39] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[18:39] <Maaz> superfly: Yessir
[18:39] <inetpro> wb superfly
[18:39] <superfly> and I am out, I have a migraine
[18:39] <Kilos> wb superfly
[18:39] <inetpro> eish!
[18:39] <Kilos> aw shame man
[18:40] <nuvolari> hello superfly
[18:40]  * nuvolari hands superfly some panado's
[18:40] <inetpro> superfly: go sleep it off
[18:40] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Event - Ubuntu 13.10 Release parties
[18:40] <Maaz> Current Topic: Event - Ubuntu 13.10 Release parties
[18:40] <kbmonkey> sorry to hear that superfly
[18:40] <kbmonkey> we can hold the fort
[18:40] <kbmonkey> blame it on Monday ;)
[18:41] <nuvolari> agreed
[18:41] <superfly> nuvolari: panado, what is that?
[18:41] <superfly> I don't even take panado for my normal headaches
[18:41] <nuvolari> superfly: eh? what's wrong with panado's?
[18:42] <nuvolari> or do you mean they don't have an effect on your headaches?
[18:42] <Kilos> too weak for migraine
[18:42] <nuvolari> ah
[18:42] <Kilos> migraine bad news
[18:42] <Kilos> pots before the eyes
[18:42] <kbmonkey> there was release parties in CT last weekend, right?
[18:42] <kbmonkey> *past weekend
[18:42]  * nuvolari darts superfly with an elephant tranquiliser
[18:42] <nuvolari> better? :P
[18:43] <Kilos> hehe
[18:43] <tal0n> lol
[18:43] <nuvolari> I think I saw a post by maiatoday
[18:44] <inetpro> I guess we shall have to make an effort to get more release parties organised for the next release
[18:44] <inetpro> which will be the LTS release
[18:44] <nuvolari> yeah, I'll join the LTS release parties :P I don't get time to upgrade otherwise
[18:44] <Kilos> ya 14.04 is a lts
[18:45]  * inetpro also prefers the LTS releases
[18:45] <inetpro> though I have had good feedback from people who upgraded to 13:10
[18:46] <inetpro> 13.10
[18:46] <kbmonkey> found some pics from the release party - https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/cg692d6nvj5u4ev8k3f2v5086os
[18:46] <kbmonkey> thanks to maia for posting those
[18:46] <nuvolari> yeah, saw someone with gnome shell, looks pretty good
[18:46] <inetpro> kbmonkey: well done!
[18:47] <kbmonkey> the agenda says to plan release parties for first week in November
[18:47] <kbmonkey> guess CT couldn't wait
[18:48] <inetpro> ahh, so there is still time to arrange something?
[18:48] <kbmonkey> indeed!
[18:49] <inetpro> hopefully someone rwading this will be inspired to take the lead
[18:49] <inetpro> reading*
[18:49] <inetpro> anyone can arrange a release party
[18:52] <inetpro> Guidelines for Running a Release Party: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BuildingCommunity/RunningReleaseParty
[18:52] <kbmonkey> back. ssh got disconnected...
[18:52] <kbmonkey> cool thanks inetpro !
[18:53] <kbmonkey> does anybody have a specific idea in mind right now?
[18:54]  * inetpro has very limited time to do anything outside of work
[18:54] <kbmonkey> knows the feeling!
[18:54] <inetpro> family unfortunately has to come first
[18:54] <kbmonkey> alright, let us keep it in mind and remember: the mailing list is the first stop!
[18:55] <kbmonkey> moving on...
[18:55] <inetpro> +!
[18:55] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Closing words and next chair
[18:55] <Maaz> Current Topic: Closing words and next chair
[18:55] <inetpro> oops... +1
[18:55] <kbmonkey> lol +!
[18:56] <kbmonkey> that is like +1 x 1000
[18:56]  * Kilos votes kbmonkey
[18:56] <kbmonkey> Kilos, we need more agenda items next time man!
[18:56] <kbmonkey> would cookie recipes be off topic?
[18:56] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:56] <Kilos> hehe
[18:56] <kbmonkey> ;)
[18:56] <inetpro> maybe tal0n can tell us a bit about how he landed here
[18:57] <kbmonkey> alright, well that is fine
[18:57] <Kilos> yeah thats a good idea i forgot to ask
[18:57] <tal0n> ;)
[18:57] <kbmonkey> Maaz, agreed kbmonkey to chair the next meeting (25 November)
[18:57] <Maaz> Agreed: kbmonkey to chair the next meeting (25 November)
[18:57] <kbmonkey> Maaz, end meeting
[18:57] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[18:57] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-10-28-18-33-57.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-10-28-18-33-57.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-10-28-18-33-57.html
[18:58] <kbmonkey> No need for tal0n to make it public record if they don't want to ;)
[18:58] <inetpro> sure
[18:58] <kbmonkey> so you can tell us now, the meeting is concluded
[18:58] <inetpro> tal0n: sorry to put you on the spot
[18:58] <Kilos> haha
[18:58] <kbmonkey> Maaz, topic Discuss the merits of painkillers
[18:58] <Maaz> kbmonkey: I'm not going to listen to you
[18:58] <kbmonkey> he he
[18:58] <Kilos> we been chatting daily and you okes just wake up now
[18:59] <kbmonkey> we are at work in the day Kilos :(
[18:59] <Kilos> hmm...
[18:59] <Kilos> you okes read fast so logs aint a prob
[18:59] <kbmonkey> solution #9: quit the day job
[18:59] <tal0n> lol. was keen to get a bit more "involved" in ubuntu for a while and never thought to check the loco until recently
[18:59] <Kilos> and come online at night before bed
[19:00] <inetpro> kbmonkey: what is solution #8?
[19:00] <kbmonkey> glad you did tal0n :D
[19:00] <kbmonkey> inetpro, I forgot, something to do with bananas
[19:00] <inetpro> :-)
[19:00] <tal0n> thanks kbmonkey
[19:00] <kbmonkey> build a banana empire and become the banana king, or something like that
[19:01] <Kilos> there were other new guys too but dunno where they are
[19:01] <kbmonkey> Kilos, you are the frontman in our operation
[19:01] <kbmonkey> what would we do without you
[19:01] <Kilos> haqve much less to read
[19:01] <Kilos> have too
[19:02] <inetpro> tal0n: thanks for joining us this evening, and kbmonkey: thanks for running the show
[19:02] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey  you getting to be a staatmaker
[19:02] <kbmonkey> thanks you folks!
[19:02] <kbmonkey> Maaz, dance
[19:02] <Maaz> kbmonkey: Huh?
[19:02] <inetpro> nuvolari got lost in the intertubes again?
[19:03] <kbmonkey> the thunder is rolling in -
[19:03] <nuvolari> nu uh
[19:03] <nuvolari> stilswye
[19:03]  * nuvolari reflekteer op die sif dag
[19:04] <inetpro> nuvolari: ai!
[19:05]  * inetpro wonders what happened with gwoodford_
[19:05] <inetpro> thought he would also make it to the meeting
[19:05] <gwoodford_> inetpro: i'm still here, giving up on my laptop search, so difficult to find specific models
[19:06] <Kilos> aw gwoodford_ you didnt sign in at the meeting
[19:06] <Kilos> never mind there is another one next month
[19:06] <inetpro> too late now
[19:07] <Kilos> and georgl is lurking
[19:07] <Kilos> and theblazehen_ is busy with matric exams and studying i think
[19:07] <gwoodford_> how do you sign into the meeting?
[19:07] <Kilos> and Symmetria is looking where he can spend more money
[19:08] <Kilos> yeah we just login with the bot that keeps record gwoodford_
[19:08] <inetpro> so maybe someone should write a mail to the mailing list and ask for help in choosing the right gaming laptop that will work 100% for Ubuntu
[19:08] <Kilos> you type in maaz I am Name
[19:08] <Kilos> but he has closed the meet now
[19:09] <Kilos> only an hour
[19:09] <inetpro> Kilos: today was only half an hour
[19:09] <Kilos> wow we only did 30 mins this time
[19:09] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:09] <kbmonkey> last week we did just over 30 mins iirc?
[19:09] <Kilos> gwoodford_, have you joined our mailing list?
[19:10] <Kilos> kbmonkey, huh
[19:11] <inetpro> gwoodford_: maybe the way to do it is to look at the specs of something you can find in the shops and then do the reasearch to make sure everything works for Ubuntu
[19:11] <gwoodford_> Kilos: yes, i'm on the mailing list, i'll send a mail, see what people say
[19:11] <inetpro> research*
[19:11] <kbmonkey> kilos, my bad it was longer
[19:11] <inetpro> kbmonkey: you mean last month
[19:11] <Kilos> last week
[19:11] <gwoodford_> inetpro, yes i'll have to do that, the reverse is not working out
[19:12] <Kilos> gwoodford_, i dont see the mail
[19:12] <inetpro> Kilos: he has not sent it yet
[19:12] <kbmonkey> next meeting agenda living happily at http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/681/detail/
[19:12] <Kilos>  http://bit.ly/MCOujZ
[19:12] <gwoodford_> Kilos, will send it tomorrow
[19:12] <Kilos> ah sorry
[19:13] <inetpro> kbmonkey: nice job!
[19:13] <kbmonkey> and that is just the start
[19:13] <Kilos> good man you blonde bomb shell you
[19:14] <Kilos> peroxide blonds are normal peeps that wanna be naughty a bit
[19:15] <Kilos> gwoodford_, tell us a bit about yourself
[19:15] <Kilos> what os , what you do etc and where you are
[19:16] <Kilos> tal0n is in langebaan
[19:17] <gwoodford_> Kilos: i'm a software developer in Cape Town, currently running Ubuntu 12.04, i usually stick to the LTS releases for stability, i'm interested in contributing to open source, especially games, next year I'm going to study my masters full time
[19:17] <Kilos> great
[19:18] <Kilos> 12.04 works well hey
[19:18] <kbmonkey> welcoem gwoodford_
[19:18] <kbmonkey> good to hear that
[19:18] <gwoodford_> yes, the best
[19:18] <kbmonkey> I wish I could use ubuntu at work
[19:18] <gwoodford_> hi kbmonkey
[19:18] <gwoodford_> yes, i have to use windows too, but will be using ubuntu when i become a student again
[19:20] <Kilos> oh dont they force you to use windows
[19:20] <Kilos> like in schools
[19:20] <gwoodford_> sigh, they might :'(
[19:21] <Kilos> ouch
[19:21] <Kilos> i dont think well ever get away from it
[19:21] <Kilos> too powerful
[19:22] <nuvolari> hmm, bed is calling
[19:22] <nuvolari> I'm going to beat oom Kilos to bed tonight
[19:22] <gwoodford_> i'm thinking in the future, more applications becomes web based, then it won't matter what OS you use
[19:23] <Kilos> hehe nag nuvolari lekker slaap
[19:24] <kbmonkey> is exceptionally tired today
[19:24] <kbmonkey> also going to log off early tonight
[19:24] <nuvolari> night  everyone
[19:24] <kbmonkey> gn nuvolari :]
[19:24] <nuvolari> night oom Kilos, kbmonkey, gwoodford_
[19:24] <gwoodford_> goodnight nuvolari
[19:25] <Kilos> ok night kbmonkey dont wait for weekends
[19:25] <Kilos> sleep tight lad
[19:26] <tal0n> cheers all. i should get some studying done ;)
[19:26] <Kilos> cheers tal0n work hard
[19:26] <kbmonkey> cheers tal0n - come back soon
[19:26] <kbmonkey> Kilos, I hope you enjoy that curry recipe!
[19:27] <tal0n> will do ;)
[19:27] <Kilos> im still hunting ty kb
[19:27] <Kilos> wget didnt say where it saved it to
[19:27] <Kilos> grrr
[19:28] <kbmonkey> lol, which directory did you run it from. it would be there.
[19:28] <kbmonkey> probably ~
[19:28] <kbmonkey> home
[19:28] <Kilos> from cli
[19:29] <Kilos> always wget to home but dunno where it went
[19:29] <Kilos> maybe hidden
[19:30]  * inetpro also taking an early nap today
[19:30] <inetpro> good night everyone
[19:30] <Kilos> night inetpro sleep tight
[19:33] <kbmonkey> Kilos, will have to wait and see if the thunder meant anything
[19:33] <Kilos> hahaha
[19:33] <Kilos> we had about 10mm and power off earlier but gone now
[19:34] <Kilos> oh my
[19:34] <Kilos> where QA went
[19:34] <Kilos> QA, wb
[19:34] <QA> Ya ya man I'm not the one disconnecting or crashing the pc
[19:35] <kbmonkey> sounds like you ki
[19:35] <kbmonkey> lol
[19:35] <Kilos> haha
[19:36] <Kilos> my pc is running kiff with 2 drives using external power supply
[19:37] <kbmonkey> I should probably stop looking at screens and playing ear bleeding loud music if I am to get sleep ;)
[19:37] <kbmonkey> gn all
[19:37] <Kilos> only i forget to switch it on in the mornings, then see bios dont see drives and nearly wet myself
[19:37] <Kilos> night kbmonkey
[19:41] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight. see ya tomorrow


[04:04] <Rinchen> Burgundavia, nixternal jenda mdke_ - ping
[04:08] <jenda> Rinchen: pong
[04:08] <Rinchen> jenda, do you use the fridge?
[04:09] <Rinchen> sorry
[04:09] <Rinchen> i'm still sleepy
[04:09] <Rinchen> There are problems with the fridge and we may have to take it offline temp to fix it.
[04:09] <Rinchen> more forthcoming.
[04:09] <Rinchen> just got word from IS
[04:09] <Rinchen> temp meaning more than a day
[04:09] <jenda> What do you mean by 'use'?
[04:09] <jenda> I read it ;)
[04:10] <jenda> I'm not an editor.
[04:10] <Rinchen> ok, good. I need some of the editors for testing eventually
[04:44] <nixternal> Rinchen: pong?


[02:10] <rick_h_> snap-l: monitoring stuff
[12:13] <tony-smlr> SMLR is Live Video:  http://www.youtube.com/user/tbemus?v=VfJSrvOI6qU
[18:41] <snap-l> Afternoon, everyone.
[18:49] <greg-g> hiya
[19:46] <jrwren> hi
[23:43] <Caboose1911> Hello everyone! what's going on?
[23:55] <rick_h_> party
[23:58] <Caboose1911> ah, superbowl?
[23:59] <rick_h_> nope, jcastro has me looking at quadcopters on amz
[23:59] <rick_h_> while waiting for an ebay auction to conclude...see party!
[23:59] <rick_h_> :P


[09:06] <jam> fwereade_: /wave
[12:48] <stub> tvansteenburgh: The juju log was invaluable for seeing why my charm was failing - charmhelpers bug triggered by fstab formatting.
[13:43] <lazyPower> trending!
[14:00] <tvansteenburgh> stub: excellent!
[14:52] <lazyPower> mbruzek: lmk when you're on shift, i'd like to go over our strategy for the kubes tests and get cracking on r2g
[14:52] <mbruzek> lazyPower: Yeah I was just taking care of some administrative stuff.  Ready when you are.
[14:52] <lazyPower> i'm on the voip channel when you're ready
[15:29] <whit> tvansteenburgh, does bundletester/deployer make shallow checkouts from git?
[15:29] <tvansteenburgh> no
[15:33] <tvansteenburgh> whit: actually, i think deployer does
[15:34] <tvansteenburgh> whit: bundletester doesn't but it would be a nice add
[15:35] <whit> tvansteenburgh, ah ok.  our test are running out of space for kubes and we suspect it's the vendored binaries
[15:35] <whit> tvansteenburgh, a shallow copy might fix that...
[15:35] <tvansteenburgh> whit: https://github.com/juju-solutions/bundletester/issues/9
[15:36] <whit> tvansteenburgh, ah cool.  I'll reference that when I make my PR
[15:37] <tvansteenburgh> whit: running out of space? where?
[15:37] <whit> tvansteenburgh, on jenkins runs?
[15:37] <tvansteenburgh> whit: nah, see #eco
[22:27] <skay> feature request. juju command that makes an ascii art version of the layout of what shows on juju gui :)
[22:28] <skay> I'm in the middle of writing documentation and wanted a picture of my service layout and made an ascii diagram as a place holder
[22:28] <skay> though it might get permanent if I can get away with it
[22:44] <rick_h_> skay: we're working on https://github.com/juju/jujusvg to generate those but right now it needs you to have the layout annotations to work correctly
[22:45] <skay> rick_h_: oh neat
[22:45] <skay> that will be very cool
[22:45] <rick_h_> skay: but the visuals on http://jujucharms.com/mongodb-cluster are generated from that and hopefully we'll get it so it'll auto layout and such so folks can just generate 'gui-like' images from any bundle
[23:46] <hnix> HI!  please if anyone can give a help on how to deploy a Rails App With juju : i  still suffure from a bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/charms/+source/rails/+bug/1242669
[23:46] <mup> Bug #1242669: README instructions for running rake tasks lead to error <papercut> <readme> <rails (Juju Charms Collection):Confirmed for lazypower> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1242669>
[23:56] <hnix> i will appriciate , please if there a simplified steps used by any one of you who succefully Deploy a simple Rails App on EC2 instance !


[19:52] <elfy> AlanBell: when you're about - you can get meetingology to part from #ubuntuforums - thanks for helping :)
[20:13] <elfy> thanks AlanBell