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[06:03] <ginggs> Laney: that worked, thanks! can you give me a URL where I can browse autopkgtest-cloud please?
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[07:06] <ginggs> i think r-bioc-variantannotation autopkgtests also need to run on m1.large
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[07:32] <tjaalton> hmm, is libx11 stuck because it migrated to -dbgsym?
[08:26] <Laney> ginggs: pad.lv/p/autopkgtest-cloud
[08:26] <Laney> why do these things neeed such large amounts of memory?
[08:26] <Laney> I think it'd be nice to look at that before just chucking resources at them
[08:27] <Laney> we have a limited quota and giving things more of it reduces the amount of other tests we can run at the same time
[08:33] <ginggs> Laney: thanks - i have no idea why they need so much memory
[08:47] <infinity> tjaalton: It doesn't seem stuck to me...?
[09:06] <tjaalton> infinity: oh, I got an email this morning about it.. maybe it's old news then
[09:07] <tjaalton> right, unstuck the next hour it seems
[09:08] <tjaalton> should've checked lp first :P
[09:45] <ginggs> rbalint1: i think i have the solution for r-bioc-annotationhub (actually in r-bioc-genomeinfodb) see debian bug #859864
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[10:29] <rbalint1> ginggs: thanks, i'll fix this in Debian tomorrow
[10:30] <rbalint1> i'm mostly afk today
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[13:24] <ginggs> thanks ^
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[16:12] <infinity> cyphermox: I'm sure you noticed, but your ubiquity didn't love you.
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[07:33] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:36] <knightwise> good morning everyon e
[08:37] <SuperMatt> Is that e special?
[08:37] <knightwise>  yes
[08:38] <knightwise> it takes the special bus to school e ver e morning
[08:38] <knightwise> it needs a lot of personal space i think
[09:04] <knightwise> hmm 16.10 has become stricter in adding repositories that dont have a release file ?
[09:05] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:49] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:49] <davmor2> morning brobostigon
[09:49] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[09:49] <knightwise> morning everyone
[09:50] <knightwise> my quest to get bluetooth working on my xps13 is starting to require an elf and a dwarf
[09:53] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[09:53]  * brobostigon offers his wizard powers,
[09:54] <knightwise> getting nowhere fast with this broadcom bluetooth adapter i'm afraid
[09:55]  * brobostigon casts a magic spell on it,
[09:55] <brobostigon> :(
[09:57] <zmoylan-1i> i thought the xps 13 was supposed to be good with linux?
[09:57] <knightwise> it seedtried blueman , tried 16.10 ...
[09:57] <knightwise> it sees the mouse but wont pair with it
[09:58] <davmor2> knightwise: what does bluetoothctl list with the mouse
[10:00] <knightwise> device 30:59:B7:76:45:DA Microsoft Sculpt Confort Mouse
[10:02] <zmoylan-1i> maybe download and try a few other live distros might see if it's hardware/software?
[10:04] <davmor2> knightwise: and what happens if you do pair 30:59:B7:76:45:DA
[10:06] <knightwise> Failed to pair: org.bluez.Error.ConnectionAttemptFailed
[10:07] <davmor2> knightwise: what version of ubuntu is this on
[10:07] <knightwise> 1610
[10:08] <davmor2> knightwise: okay do you have another bt mouse you could try it on because here is pairs fine for me.
[10:08] <knightwise> i have 2 ms mice (who did not work)
[10:09] <knightwise> have an apple magic mouse but that isnt even detected
[10:09] <davmor2> knightwise: let me see if the bt guru is about if he is I'll point you in his general direction for you
[10:10] <knightwise> thanx è
[10:10] <knightwise> gonna see if i can find a bluetooth mouse from another brand in the shop somewhere
[10:10] <knightwise> perhaps i can try a logitech one
[10:11] <knightwise> funny thing is , i have my Bose exteral bluetooth speaker and it wont detect that
[10:17] <davmor2> knightwise: hmmm I wonder if it is a driver issue then seem odd, do you have a usb bluetooth dongle?
[10:18] <brobostigon> that reminds me, i got different results when i got my bt headset with the builtin bluetooth adaptor to a usb one, seemed strange really.
[10:20] <knightwise> davmor2: could it be firmware ?
[10:20] <davmor2> knightwise: potentially
[10:21] <davmor2> knightwise: can you have a word with koza in #bluez channel
[10:21] <knightwise> thanx davmor2
[10:23] <davmor2> knightwise: no worries dude
[10:23] <davmor2> knightwise: be prepared for a headache of a debugging session though
[10:46] <knightwise> hmmm
[10:47]  * knightwise knows what me wants for xmass
[10:49] <davmor2> headache tablets
[10:50] <zmoylan-pi> well make sure you add them to the crimbo list of things you can't buy christmas day so have some in the house... milk, bread, butter, batteries, asprin, rennie, plasters...
[11:59] <davmor2> knightwise: any better now?
[12:35] <awilkins> Wowzer, found video that Totem plays but VLC can't
[12:37] <davmor2> awilkins: liar ;)
[12:39]  * zmoylan-pi passes out the pitchforks and torches
[12:40] <penguin42> given the weather today we may need the torches
[12:42] <awilkins> It's encoded with h265 of some sort
[13:15] <knightwise> davmor2: looks like its a problem with the mouse , its an LE mouse
[13:15] <knightwise> so i'm off to find a "non-le" mouse that connects over bluetooth
[17:19] <DJones> Evening
[17:19]  * DJones leaves this here for popey http://nerdist.com/theres-finally-a-video-game-where-you-play-as-a-cat/
[17:21] <davmor2> Merry Christmas all see you next year
[17:32] <DJones> penguin42: Given the weather today according to BBC, its a good job they're mobing from the metoffice as a provider of  data as it was completely wrong, 4 hours of 50MPH winds turned into 30 minutes of wind at around half that speed, and 4 hours of heavy rain turned into 10 minutes of heavy rain
[17:37] <penguin42> DJones: We've had a few bursts of heavy rain and wind
[17:38] <penguin42> DJones: Been going on for quite a while, but each burst seems quite short
[18:08] <zmoylan-pi> i was expecting dublin bay to have impressive waves with all the wind but it was quiet calm
[18:14]  * daftykins strolls in
[18:15] <daftykins> cor those wordpress hammering bots are really getting naughty :P
[18:15] <daftykins> i doubled a clients broadband speed this morning with just a few seconds prodding! \o/
[18:20] <zmoylan-pi> blocked netflix? :-P
[18:21] <DJones> daftykins: Is that still the pm spam?
[18:21] <knightwise> Steam appears to be down (according to slashdot)
[18:22] <DJones> daftykins: If so Set /mode yournick +R seems to work ok
[18:23] <daftykins> nah bots are hammering the xmlrpc.php file on my wordpress instance again, seen it before on other folks' servers
[18:23] <penguin42> teg sineibe ekse saud tgat ub abitger wubdiw
[18:23]  * daftykins wonders if penguin42 is on the sauce early ;)
 no I think I was misaligned
[18:24] <daftykins> ah, doh!
[18:24] <penguin42> if you move my right hand one character it should be right
[18:24] <DJones> penguin42: Thats what you get using a swedish keyboard layouy
[18:24] <DJones> t
[18:24] <penguin42> bork bork....
[18:31] <daftykins> i think it's about time i nipped out to pick up a celebratory Toblerone!
[18:33] <zmoylan-pi> make sure you get a real toblerone and not on of the new ones with big gaps
[18:33] <zmoylan-pi> check the weight on the side
[18:33] <daftykins> i'm not sure how to tell!
[18:34] <daftykins> ah 150g is the modified one, 170g is the original
[18:34] <penguin42> give it a couple of days and you'll be able to get cream eggs
[18:34] <daftykins> 400g > 360g & 170g > 150g
[18:34] <zmoylan-pi> 400g and 170g bars have normal gaps
[18:35] <daftykins> i think that's the most important piece of research i've done all year!
[18:35] <zmoylan-pi> either that or give them a squeeze... make yourself really popular in the shop... :-P
[18:35] <daftykins> nevermind the BT NTE5 telephone master sockets i was just glaring at...
[18:36] <zmoylan-pi> accept no toblerone lite!! fight the system \o
[18:36] <daftykins> :D
[18:36] <daftykins> not sure if i linked this shirt, it's amusing - https://www.redbubble.com/people/cosmogorilla/works/21144265-obey-sudo
[18:37] <daftykins> presume it's a parody of a Soviet Russia era piece of propaganda?
[18:37] <zmoylan-pi> i saw that i think in another channel... very soviet
[18:38] <daftykins> hmm i can't find the original
[18:38] <zmoylan-pi> pretty much every poster produced in 30s and 40s
[18:39] <zmoylan-pi> there are probably trucks on the road right now delivering creme eggs to storage for shops.  but probably the new recipe versions which are orrible
[18:40] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: I never liked them anyway, too much goo not enough chocolate
[18:40] <daftykins> that's why you buy 8
[18:40] <daftykins> :>
[18:42] <zmoylan-pi> i liked them as a kid, but since i was 20 or so found them too sweet
[18:42] <zmoylan-pi> and they got a lot smaller
[18:42] <daftykins> mmm that's probably similar to how i find age is making me more sensitive to caffeine now... how sad!
[18:42] <daftykins> sad that i can't down the coffee, i mean
[18:42] <zmoylan-pi> that's why there are so many tea blends so you can find the perfect one as you age
[18:43] <daftykins> ah har!
[21:58] <zmoylan-pi> carrie fisher has heart attack... ::shakes fist at 2016::
[21:59] <penguin42> still alive apparently?
[21:59] <daftykins> D:
[22:00] <zmoylan-pi> yes, taken off commercial flight alive but seemingly a major attack so not good...
[22:00] <daftykins> London stole her heart
[22:00] <penguin42> close to landing


[00:33] <jbicha> My launchpad ID is jbicha . Please cloak me
[00:37] <sarnold> "my voice is my passport"
[00:37] <jbicha> I'm just trying to follow directions, lol
[00:37] <sarnold> :)
[00:39] <sarnold> jbicha: could you add an explicit 'libera' irc account on your http://launchpad.net/~/ irc page?
[00:40] <jbicha> I think it's there now
[00:40] <sarnold> I don'tr think there's a way for me to make sure that irc.ubuntu.com was added after freenode imploded
[00:40] <jbicha> right
[00:40] <sarnold> aha, it's there now
[00:40] <sarnold> thanks
[00:40] <sarnold> I wonder if I got served a stale cached version
[07:22]  * enyc meows at https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php
[07:23]  * enyc thinks....  who funds libera.chat ?  Do large channel users like #ubuntu* sponsor them at all?
[07:24] <enyc> I wonder if any 'growing pains' / server overload might be an issue, etc...
[07:36] <Myrtti> enyc: universities, LUGs, hosting companies sponsor a server they physically have for the infrastructure
[07:37]  * enyc hrrms
[07:37] <Myrtti> the network itself can and freenode historically did survive years without money exchanging hands
[07:38] <enyc> Myrtti: that makes sense  just needs right people-cooperation etc
[07:38] <Myrtti> staff is unpaid volunteers
[07:38] <enyc> I imagine irc server load isn't that high compared to modern machines/networks etc
[07:38] <Myrtti> right
[07:38] <enyc> trouble is more reliability
[07:38] <enyc> don't want netsplits much
[07:39] <Myrtti> memory usage is the bottleneck aiui
[07:39] <enyc> and, as you say, user problems, ops etc
[07:39] <enyc> freenode are having a lot of ''fun'' at the moment!
[07:43] <Myrtti> as for #ubuntu sponsoring... Ubuntu Code of conduct and the IRC guidelines worked together with the freenode catalyst and channel guidelines and, as a result, they kinda worked as a staff apprenticeship. the percentage of Ubuntu affiliated people in the staff is quite high
[07:43] <Unit193> Also the ability to take a good DoS.
[07:46] <Myrtti> what Canonical and companies do with their money to support the network, I do not know, and I doubt right now Libera is even accepting anything from companies, seeing how... erm. yes.
[07:46] <Myrtti> nevermind
[07:47] <Myrtti> if talking about straight up money, that os
[07:47] <Myrtti> is
[07:49] <Myrtti> of course Im not currently staff so I can't speak for them, but IMO best let the dust settle a little
[09:14] <enyc> Unit193: aah yes good point
[09:15]  * enyc meows Myrtti
[09:15] <enyc> who was asking about any dhefault irc server in  clients rpovided by ubuntu LTS
[09:42] <ogra> enyc, irc.ubuntu.com points properly to libera ... IIRC all clients that have had ubuntu servers added only had irc.ubuntu.com set in their default config ...
[09:43] <ogra> enyc, i think many these 300 ppl on freenode are rather IRC proxies and such
[09:45] <Unit193> ogra: That was phased out because TLS verification.
[09:54] <ogra> Unit193, weird, i properly get
[09:54] <ogra> $ host irc.ubuntu.com
[09:54] <ogra> irc.ubuntu.com is an alias for irc.libera.chat.
[09:55] <Unit193> Right, but try connecting to irc.ubuntu.com with port 6697 and tell me if you get a TLS cert mismatch error? :)
[09:56] <ogra> ah, i use bip on a server ... (and that points to libera) ...
[09:59] <enyc> ogra: and, which ubuntu-supplied irc clients provide  link to freenode by default?
[09:59] <enyc> post usage of irc.ubuntu.com etc
[10:00] <ogra> i dont think any we touched in the archive point to freenode directly
[10:00] <ogra> they should all use irc.u.c
[10:01] <ogra> (all -> likely only quassel and hexchat/xchat, perhaps irssi, not sure about that one)
[10:03] <Unit193> Irssi says freenode.
[10:04] <Unit193> But that's a small welcome message if a user has never launched it before, not as noticable as one of the GUI clients.
[10:04] <ogra> ah, not a default config then
[10:05] <ogra> i know the hexchat ubuntu package defaults to irc.u.c when you do not configure it further
[10:07] <Unit193> https://sources.debian.org/src/hexchat/2.14.3-6/debian/default_servers/ubuntu/ ? :)
[10:08] <ogra> 13 Mar 2018 ??
[10:09] <ogra> someone seems to have a really wrong clock here 🙂
[10:10] <Unit193> https://sources.debian.org/src/smuxi/1.1-1/debian/patches/ubuntu_default_settings.patch/ that is lovely...
[10:27] <enyc> hrrm  .....
[10:27] <enyc> irssi, weechat, xchat,   suggested to me
[10:27] <Unit193> xchat isn't really a thing.
[10:27] <ogra> yeah, thats hexchat
[10:28] <enyc> ok, which of those have a  default-freenode-link  in ubuntu-provided package?
[14:53] <enyc> Hrrm  apparently the hexchat  default channel list is *compiled into* hexchat
[14:54] <enyc> therefore, can ubuntu-irc team create relevant launchpad bug for this  ??
[14:54] <enyc> would be doing all ubuntu lts users a good service not to point them to freenode by default
[15:00] <Mekaneck> enyc: i don't think the IRC ops can but you can open a bug report on Launchpad for it
[15:00] <enyc> Mekaneck: presumably anybody (including an irc op) can create a bugreport
[15:01] <enyc> Mekaneck: but might look betetr if they did and exlpained important reasons
[15:01] <enyc> or at leas macked u for SRU
[15:01] <Mekaneck> you can too


[00:11] <nacc> rbasak: the former, yes
[00:11] <nacc> rbasak: i think i'd need to do some refactoring, but actually, if you're ok with me pulling the parsing to its own module, i think it will make the changes pretty straightforward
[00:11] <nacc> rbasak: basically, the issue right now is you need a repo object to parse under
[00:12] <rbasak> nacc: making it more module and testable makes sense. I think it's fine to be in its own module then.
[00:12] <rbasak> nacc: or at least outside the class but in the same module?
[00:12] <nacc> rbasak: but I think i can abstract all of that out to gitubuntu/changelog.py and just put tests there (before your series), then your series is just changing that class
[00:12] <nacc> rbasak: yeah, maybe the latter is sufficient
[00:12] <nacc> rbasak: just out of GitUbuntuRepository
[00:12] <rbasak> nacc: in general I imagine we'll be moving plenty of stuff outside classes in order to make them more easily testable.
[00:13] <nacc> rbasak: sounds like a plan, thanks! i'll work on that tmrw
[00:13] <nacc> rbasak: ack
[00:14] <nacc> rbasak: basically, first commit will create a Changelog class (without using debian's changelog class) and just move our functionality into there, ideally with no changes -- then yours comes in and reworks that class
[06:14] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:34] <Genk1> Hello All I have an annoying problem after I replaced my current Thawte certificate with the new letsencrypt free ssl certificate
[10:35] <Genk1> in fact https://www.ssllabs.com/  still show me that there are 2 kinds of certificates a valid one which from  letsecnrypt and the expired one from Thawte
[10:35] <Genk1> How can I fix this please ?
[10:35] <tomreyn> Genk1more details needed
[10:36] <tomreyn> ssllabs.com server test will in no situation report two sercer certificates in use in a single report
[10:36] <Genk1> tomreyn: I am running an ubuntu server 16.04 with apache, I have verified that there are only one vhost
[10:37] <Genk1> tomreyn: in fact he showed me two certificates
[10:37] <tomreyn> that is unless you have those setrver certificates in the ssl trust chain
[10:38] <tomreyn> post the output on pastebin, replace anything you do not feel comfortable sharing
[10:39] <tomreyn> you can produce plain text output using  https://github.com/ssllabs/ssllabs-scan
[10:39] <Genk1> tomreyn: OK
[10:39] <Genk1> tomreyn: Ok thanks
[10:40] <Genk1> but normally those kind of issues is related to the webserver right ? or maybe it's a caching issue ?
[10:41] <tomreyn> yes it's a configuration issue, not a caching issue
[10:41] <Genk1> tomreyn: but I only have two ssl directive pointing to letsecrypt path file
[10:42] <Genk1> how it can be possible, I have only vhost and it's in front of me ?
[10:42] <Genk1> I don't see any information about thawte
[10:44] <tomreyn> Genk1: i could not tell, and do not know your server configuration. run "sudo apache2ctl -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS" to check what you have.
[10:45] <Genk1> I have done this before don't worry I know what I am saying :)
[10:45] <Genk1> tomreyn: I am sure the issue is not on the server side
[10:46] <Genk1> because some clients can access the new certificate and some others cannot
[10:46] <tomreyn> sudo rgrep -Ei 'SSL(CA)?Certificate' /etc/apache2/
[10:46] <Genk1> it's clearly a caching issue
[10:46] <tomreyn> do you have a proxy in front then?
[10:47] <nav-> indeed, sounds like a caching issue
[10:47] <nav-> for the ones it's not working, try it in an incognito tab
[10:47] <tomreyn> ssl content should never be cached, this would be a configuration issue
[10:48] <Genk1> tomreyn: it shows this
[10:48] <Genk1> 	SSLCertificateFile	/etc/letsencrypt/live/*/fullchain.pem
[10:48] <Genk1>    SSLCertificateKeyFile /etc/letsencrypt/live/*/privkey.pem
[10:48] <Genk1> the other directives are commented
[10:48] <Genk1> nav-:
 do you have a proxy in front then?
[10:48] <Genk1> ok thanks
[10:49] <Genk1> tomreyn: no no it's a simple webserver that I have hosted myself in OVH
[10:49] <Genk1> tomreyn: I did an installation from scratch
[10:50] <tomreyn> okay so it can only be browser caching then indeed.
[10:50] <tomreyn> i always thought it was wrong they introduced that
[10:51] <Genk1> tomreyn: voila
[10:51] <tomreyn> or it's client side proxies, which would be even worse
[10:59] <necrophcodr> I'm trying to remove old 3.13 kernels and stuff on my 14.04 installation, however aptitude keeps pulling them back
[10:59] <necrophcodr> Is there any way I can avoid this?
[11:00] <lordievader> Check out the reason why aptitude is pulling them back in.
[11:01] <lordievader> Could you provide some console output? Of removing the (old) kernel and updating, or something.
[11:01] <necrophcodr> lordievader: i've removed all the packages
[11:01] <necrophcodr> `aptitude remove -yq $(aptitude search --disable-columns '~i^linux-' -F '%p'|awk '/3.(11|13|16|19).0/') >/dev/null`
[11:02] <necrophcodr> Afterwards, running `aptitude install` pulls the header files back in
[11:02] <necrophcodr> I'm not sure how to check why it's pulling them back in, i wouldn't ask here otherwise.
[11:02] <lordievader> Could you show the 'apt-get update' output after removing them?
[11:03] <necrophcodr> update? you don't mean upgrade?
[11:03] <lordievader> Erm, yes. 'apt-get upgrade'*
[11:04] <necrophcodr> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25239340/
[11:04] <necrophcodr> apt-get isn't as strict as aptitude though.
[11:04] <lordievader> So it seems, apt tells that it doesn't see a reason to keep those packages around.
[11:05] <necrophcodr> those are different packages
[11:05] <necrophcodr> not the 3.13 ones
[11:05] <necrophcodr> it doesn't pull in new packages. but we're using aptitude.
[11:07] <lordievader> What is the output of 'apt-cache rdepends linux-header-3.13.0-X' (correct the version)
[11:10] <necrophcodr> lordievader: i did that, and some more:
[11:10] <necrophcodr> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25239357/
[11:10] <necrophcodr> but i think the issue might be that linux-libc-dev is of version 3.13
[11:11] <necrophcodr> hmm..no, there doesn't seem to be a direct corelation
[11:12] <lordievader> Could be, but I would expect libc-dev to have a dependency on a header package. Though it could depend on the meta package of the linux-headers.
[11:12] <necrophcodr> it depends on linux-kernel-headers
[11:12] <necrophcodr> or rather, it provides that
[11:13] <lordievader> What happens when those headers are removed along with the rdepends? Just to see if apt handles this differently from aptitude, does apt also want to reinstall them?
[11:13] <necrophcodr> i don't have them installed at all
[11:13] <necrophcodr> not the rdepends either
[11:13] <necrophcodr> i removed them as stated earlier, and apt doesn't want to install them
[11:14] <necrophcodr> aptitude does, but it handles things differently.
[11:14] <lordievader> But aptitude does?
[11:14] <necrophcodr> yes
[11:15] <lordievader> Strange.
[11:15] <lordievader> There is not some package among the install list which could pull in the rest as a dependency?
[11:16] <necrophcodr> I'm not sure, how do I verify this?
[11:16] <lordievader> Well, I suppose you get a confirmation when running 'aptitude install' (I must admit, I rarely use aptitude).
[11:17] <necrophcodr> oh that
[11:17] <necrophcodr> no, not as far as i can tell
[11:17] <necrophcodr> no packages are scheduled for upgrading, and there's a few packages being removed.
[11:18] <necrophcodr> i can deal with using apt-get for the rest of time, but i'd prefer to use aptitude, as i've heard it should handle dependencies and such more strictly.
[11:18] <lordievader> I thought I read a document somewhere where they recommended Debian users to use apt-get over aptitude.
[11:19] <necrophcodr> lordievader: yep, that was especially for upgrading, since it didn't care that not everything was super in order
[11:20] <lordievader> I see. Still, stricter rules should not install packages which are not needed, I'd say.
[11:21] <lordievader> In the man page I read of a 'why/why-not' command, it says 'explains the reason that a particular package should or cannot be installed on the system'.
[11:21] <lordievader> That may explain why it wants to install header files.
[11:43] <necrophcodr> lordievader: it doesn't really expain anything unfortunately :/
[11:44] <necrophcodr> http://paste.ubuntu.com/25239552/
[11:44] <necrophcodr> The thing is that aptitude doesn't automatically install suggested packages.
[12:02] <lordievader> Hmm, none of those suggested packages are installed?
[12:22] <necrophcodr> lordievader: nope, not a single one
[12:22] <lordievader> Then I really don't understand why aptitude wants to install it -.-
[12:27] <necrophcodr> lordievader: that's my predicament. i don't understand it either.
[12:28] <lordievader> I don't really want  to say 'use apt-get' but that seems about the sanest option right now.
[12:47] <necrophcodr> lordievader: i'll evaluate further options, but you might be right
[12:48] <necrophcodr> thanks for your help though!
[12:49] <lordievader> No problem ;)
[13:15] <genk1> tomreyn: how to deal with such problems
[13:16] <genk1> https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=www.myniu.fr&latest
[13:16] <genk1> 2 certificates in the same time
[13:24] <mdeslaur> nacc: hi! I'm looking at php security updates....is there a round of 7.0 updates being worked on for xenial/zesty?
[13:34] <ahasenack> hi, a packaging question
[13:35] <ahasenack> if I have a package that installs a script in /etc/update-motd.d/
[13:35] <ahasenack> because it's in /etc, it's considered configuration
[13:35] <ahasenack> and not removed via "apt remove", just "apt purge"
[13:35] <ahasenack> but it's a script, not a config file, and it's run on login. It might need the package installed in order to work properly
[13:35] <ahasenack> how is this usually sorted?
[13:55] <genk1> tomreyn: I fixed the issue
[13:56] <genk1> the problem was related to apache, some process child was still running and have the old configuration
[13:56] <genk1> service apache2 restart and even service apache2 stop didn't stop apache really
[13:57] <genk1> I needed to do a killall
[13:57] <genk1> after that everything was working just fine
[13:57] <genk1> thank you all
[14:05] <sdeziel> ahasenack: update-notifier-common drops snippets in /etc/update-motd.d where they do "[ -x /usr/lib/... ] && exec /usr/lib/..." and presumably removing the package removes the /usr/lib/... file
[14:06] <ahasenack> so the file in /etc remains, but does nothing
[14:06] <ahasenack> this one calls out to a snap, I'm not sure I should hardcode the snap bin path
[14:07] <ahasenack> with the -x check
[14:07] <ahasenack> but I can find another way
[14:07] <sdeziel> ahasenack: that would be my assumption but the update-notifier-common package was the one example I could fine
[14:07] <ahasenack> ok, thanks
[15:12] <nacc> mdeslaur: i noticed that debian had moved up, I can do that early next week (bump to 7.0.20)
[15:13] <mdeslaur> hrm, I need 7.0.22
[15:13] <nacc> mdeslaur: let me check debian again
[15:13] <nacc> mdeslaur: oh nm! 7.0.22 indeed
[15:14] <nacc> mdeslaur: should be a straightforward update on my end. Do you want me to send the stuff your way so it goes security -> updates?
[15:14] <mdeslaur> yeah, stick it somewhere and I'll build it as a security update
[15:15] <nacc> mdeslaur: and just so i actually remember this time, you want it in the security pocket "before" the updates pocket? Or is that less relevant? (I recall you having to do two pocket copies for a prior upload)
[15:16] <mdeslaur> we have two options: 1- we sru it into -updates and then I rebuild it in -security a week later, or 2- I build it as a security update, and release it to -security
[15:16] <mdeslaur> if the update is straightforward without any big packaging changes, I can push it as a security update directly
[15:17] <mdeslaur> ie: no dependency changes, etc.
[15:17] <mdeslaur> nacc: show me the package once you've worked on it and I'll see if it can directly be released as a security update
[15:18] <nacc> mdeslaur: yeah, i expect no packaging changes, based upon prior uploads, but i'll let you know
[15:18] <mdeslaur> ok, thanks
[16:58] <rbasak> nacc: style file pushed.
[16:58] <rbasak> I added some more items while I was thinking of them. Feel free to dispute :)
[17:02] <nacc> rbasak: thanks!
[18:34] <oerheks> gabrielc did this happen *after* you got chrome 60 ?
[18:34] <oerheks> odd, that new signingkey is not announced ..
[20:51] <nacc> rbasak: seeing a very strange failure with src:pacemaker (a --no-fetch re-import to test my changes). One specific version of pacemaker orig is showing up with hearbeat_(version).orig.tar.gz in pristine-tar instead of pacemaker_(version).orig.tar.gz. Running `gbp import-orig` manually on the same file (based upon the logs from the importer), it creates the pacemaker orig tarball correctly. I believe
[20:51] <nacc> `gbp` only uses the tarball name to determine the srcpkg and I don't see anywhere that would make it see heartbeat...
[21:16] <rbasak> nacc: file a bug I guess? I don't see right now what's going on.
[21:18] <nacc> rbasak: i added a bunch of debugging
[21:18] <nacc> rbasak: and i see what's happening but not sure why
[21:18] <nacc> rbasak: looks to be a gbp bug :)
[21:19] <nacc> gbp:info: Source package is heartbeat
[21:19] <nacc> rbasak: bug filed
[21:20] <nacc> rbasak: for the importer that is, i'll communicate with upstream once i undersatnd why :)
[21:50] <cliluw> Can I automatically give a user a root shell when they SSH in so that they don't have to preprend "sudo" before their privileged commands or have to run "sudo -s"?
[22:13] <nacc> cliluw: i don't think you would generally want to do that
[22:13] <sarnold> if you want the user to be root you could set the uid in shadow and passwd to 0, and set the home dir to match
[22:13] <cliluw> nacc: Generally, that's correct. In this case, I do want to do this - this is for an automated script.
[22:17] <nacc> cliluw: note, though, your question isn't exactly coherent
[22:18] <Poster> if it's automated, you can set "PermitRootLogin without-password" in your /etc/ssh/sshd_config then use SSH keys to bring the user in
[22:18] <nacc> cliluw: 'giving a user a root shell' does not only mean "that they don't have to prepend "sudo" before their privileged commands"...
[22:18] <nacc> cliluw: it means all commands are privileged commands :)
[22:18] <Poster> it would be better to use sudo and limit what commands can be used
[22:19] <sarnold> or set authorized_keys restrictions on what can be executed by the program, and optionally enforce that with apparmor and pam_apparmor ..
[22:19] <rbasak> IMHO, if the manner in which ssh is used means that people are using unrestricted sudo all the time in practice, then it's fine to log in directly as root. This is against the accepted wisdom though.
[22:20] <rbasak> It's only of value to create independent users for individual admins if sudo is restricted and/or actual auditing really happens of what they do.
[22:21] <rbasak> Otherwise the per-admin user is just a hurdle that provides no actual security benefit.
[22:22] <nacc> right, I think in this case, use ssh keys, allow ssh as root with specific keys, is the best choice
[22:22] <nacc> (presuming cliluw's description is accurate)
[22:23] <drab> cliluw: cleanest, and simplest/quick) (which for me has been at times very important) solution is to PermitRootLogin without-password, set up a passwordless ssh key on the client and use the "command" to launch a simple bash script that filters what's allowed (and potentially logs things)
[22:23] <drab> security is only useful when measured against realistic threats and targeted assets
[22:24] <nacc> heh
[22:24] <nacc> drab: +1
[22:24] <drab> otherwise it's just stuff that sounds nice to the hears and looks good in a presentation
[22:25] <rbasak> Restricting to a simple bash script that filters and logs is a good idea, but be careful about implementation. It's quite easy to leave other channels open, making it pointless if your threat model includes a malicious (or compromised) admin.
[22:25] <drab> if I could only get back all the time I wasted on "best practices in a vacuum" I'd enjoy a vacation for the rest of my life :P
[22:25] <drab> rbasak: agreed
[22:28] <cliluw> nacc: Allowing root login is an option but not ideal. I would prefer that the actions of the script show up as a non-root user for better auditing.
[22:28] <nacc> cliluw: is the user logging in with a password? or ssh key?
[22:28] <cliluw> nacc: Only SSH key, no password
[22:28] <nacc> cliluw: if the latter, you can give them passwordless sudo, since it seems like your model is trusting that specific user (and their key)?
[22:29] <nacc> cliluw: again, not recommended, but if you want it for auditing, that would work
[22:29] <nacc> cliluw: they'd need to type sudo, but they wouldn't be prompted for a password, at least
[22:29] <drab> or you can use the command and wrapper and prepend sudo to all of them after confirming the cmd is allowed
[22:29] <nacc> cliluw: otherwise, i think, you'd need to add the user to the appropriate group or do what sarnold suggested
[22:29] <nacc> drab: ah true, yeah, that'd work
[22:34] <cliluw> drab: Seems a bit tricky to write a wrapper script that will be able to filter down to only the commands I want to run since Bash is such a syntactically complex language.
[22:35] <drab> cliluw: it depends what you're doing, for CI type of stuff ime it was very simple, sometimes a straight string match with a simple check on special characters like ;
[22:36] <drab> but like I said, I'm not you and I don't have your exact problems, so I don't know
[22:36] <drab> I've really come to believe in specificity and constraints, we all make tradeoffs all the time, whichever is best for you I don't know
[22:37] <nacc> rbasak: what did we decide to do about MPs that already were sponsored? https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/ubuntu/+source/samba/+git/samba/+merge/326073
[22:38] <cliluw> drab, nacc: Thanks for your advice. I'll probably go with passwordless sudo option. It sucks to have to prepend "sudo" to every command but it's not the end of the world, I suppose.
[22:41] <drab> cliluw: if you do that you might as well have a "blank" wrapped that prepend sudo
[22:41] <drab> nothing to lose
[22:41] <drab> wrapper*
[22:42] <drab> at least it takes the suckiness out of it for you and it requires no additional investment to setup other than one line in the authorized_key file and one line in the bash script
[22:42] <drab> well, two with the header :)
[22:45] <rbasak> nacc: I've been pushing upload tags for those regardless, since they can be picked up by 1) any developer who is doing archeology or another merge, even if it wasn't incorporated into the commit graph by the importer; and b) our expected re-imports before we declare commit graph stability
[23:48] <ikla> how do you install on an EFI partition
[23:48] <ikla> the installer doesn't support it?
[23:51] <drab> ikla: the installer most definitely supports it
[23:51] <ikla> 16.04.2 ?
[23:51] <drab> yes
[23:51] <ikla> there is no option for EFI partition type
[23:51] <ikla> in manual mode
[23:51] <drab> it goes into efi install if it boots as efi
[23:51] <drab> are you positive the installed booted from an efi device/as efi?
[23:51] <drab> iirc there's no way to manually specify "install in efi mode"
[23:52] <drab> it depends upon boot time
[23:52] <ikla> no
[23:52] <ikla> you can create partitions manually
[23:52] <ikla> bios boot
[23:52] <ikla> then efi part
[23:52] <ikla> then all the rest
[23:52] <ikla> shouldn't matter if you booted from efi or legacy
[23:52] <ikla> boards support dual mode and could possibly boot non-efi but still have support
[23:53] <ikla> can I pass a kernel parameter to force the installer into efi?
[23:53] <ikla> cause it has no option in manual mode which is b.s.
[23:53] <drab> ok, maye you're right, all I know is what I experienced, efi installs worked when I booted in efi mode, but I never tried to create an efi install when booting in bios mode
[23:53] <ikla> even tried creating the partitions with fdisk
[23:54] <drab> I don't recall of any specific option to the kernel, no
[23:54] <ikla> set the correct partition types and the install in manual mode doesn't know how to handle them
[23:54] <drab> but I don't do a lot of efi, only needed it once to boot from a nvme partition
[23:54] <ikla> yeah - I only have an NVMe device
[23:55] <ikla> in this system
[23:55] <ikla> :)
[23:57] <drab> so yeah, in my case all I ddi was to create a usb install key, press f9 at boot and selected the key under the UEFI tree instead of Legacy tree
[23:57] <drab> and then in manual mode I could create the efi partition and all
[23:57] <drab> that's the best/most I can offer from the little I knwo about it
[23:58] <ikla> I'll try that
[23:58] <drab> mind you, my plan ultimately failed... but that was a bios problem
[23:59] <drab> even after correctly installing to the nvme device I could not subsequently boto from it
[23:59] <drab> in case this info is of any use to you... I spent 4 days going back and forth with SM support about nvme bios to conclude this wasn't possible on X9s
[23:59] <sarnold> aww


 Good talk too.
[01:10] <doctormo> The plane ride felt like it lasted 20 mins, even though it was 3 hours.
[01:10] <duanedesign> doctormo:ohhh cool
[01:11] <duanedesign> i always sit next to the weirdos
[01:12] <duanedesign> I sat next to guy that kept his hood on his hoodie pulled over his head, and sunglasses the while ride home.  PT Tips?
[01:14] <duanedesign> i can remember Yorkshire
[01:14] <duanedesign> thought that stuff might be bit strong for me
[01:15] <duanedesign> I drank half a cup of the tips and  didnt drink any more coffe for the reat the afternoon :)
[01:15] <duanedesign> s/reat/rest
[01:30] <doctormo> duanedesign: PG Tips
[01:31] <doctormo> Yea PG Tips is the 50% proof, Yorkshire is 80% and Assam is 90% proof, knock your socks off stuff.
[01:31] <doctormo> I'd class Liptons as 0.5% and Tettly as 20%
[01:44] <duanedesign> doctormo: i already forgot, where is next UDS?
[01:44] <doctormo> duanedesign: Prauge
[01:44] <cjohnston> budapest
[01:44] <duanedesign> aha
[02:03] <czajkowski> aloha
[02:22] <duanedesign> hello czajkowski
[02:35] <doctormo> Hey czajkowski
[09:59] <Pendulum> hiya
[10:08] <nigelb> morning Pendulum :)
[10:12] <AlanBell> hi Pendulum and czajkowski, what are you up to
[10:13] <Pendulum> czajkowski is still asleep
[10:13] <Pendulum> I am online
[10:13] <Pendulum> Disney today \o/
[10:24] <nigelb> I just realized.  I have only 3 working days in the next 1 week.  \o/
[10:25] <Pendulum> :)
[10:42] <nigelb> ok, enough time has been spent at work and I'm tired.  Later all \o/
[11:40] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:42] <Pendulum> hiya czajkowski
[12:17] <Pici> Have fun at Disney!


[05:57] <TheMuso> The hardest part about implementing a studio desktop based on LXDE/XFCE is theming. Packging/seed wise, its easy.
[05:59] <holstein> TheMuso: thats good to know
[06:07] <persia> What makes the theming hard?  Do we not have good examples from Lubuntu/Xubuntu?
[06:08] <persia> (mind you, I don't think most people would really see significant difference from an alternate DE, given how many libraries end up loaded with patchage+qjackctl anyway)
[06:22] <TheMuso> persia: Yeah we do have examples, but I haven't looked into it myself, and we would have to redo the theme from scratch, so far as window decoration etc goes.
[08:21] <TheMuso> c
[09:38] <persia> Ah, so it's volume-of-work difficult, rather than technically-difficult.  This makes sense.  All the more reason to not bother unless someone volunteers to maintain a theme for a while :)
[12:51] <sladen> scottl: et al  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/10.10release_notes  <<--- linked in the release notes is 404
[12:51] <persia> sladen, Plus, they read backscroll in the other channel: the redirect was intended for the future :)
[13:25] <ScottL> right, sladen, persia, i'll take care of it now
[13:27] <persia> ScottL, Thanks.  Also, BrendanT was pointing out that ubuntustudio.org needed an update.
[13:29] <ScottL> persia,  i was thinking about that yesterday (or the day before), i've never done that before and am unsure exactly how
[13:30] <ScottL> stochastic had always done it
[13:30] <persia> Dunno myself.
[13:30] <ScottL> my understanding is that it's all code under -devel, i'll send an email to eric and cory asking them for pointers and also dig around the code as well
[16:30] <holstein> rlameiro: morning
[16:31] <rlameiro> morning holstein :D
[16:31] <holstein> no VO yet :/
[16:31] <holstein> sorry
[16:31] <holstein> ill knock it out to day, or line up a different voice for you :)
[16:31] <holstein>          today*
[16:33] <rlameiro> :)
[18:09] <ScottL> hi holstein :)   what did tucemix want last night?
[18:09] <ScottL> holstein, oh, now i want to play live again...NOW :P
[18:10] <ScottL> i keep thinking about how i/we could improve also, different songs, rearranging songs, more cables, small table, yadda, yadda
[18:11] <ScottL> good new is that people liked the music, even when i didn't know the lyrics (i'm sure the crowd were saying them in their head), and this could be a recurring gig
[18:12] <holstein> ScottL: :)
[18:12] <holstein> hmmm let me see if i can find that
[18:12] <holstein> OH
[18:13] <holstein> tucemix didnt ever specify
[18:14] <ScottL> no biggie, just curious, he seemed to want to query me about ubuntu studio, but i was curious what he felt i could answer that you could not
[18:14] <ScottL> you probably have a better functional or working understanding of getting studio working in a production type setting
[18:59] <ScottL> crimsun, i had in the release notes that the user should not be in the audio group, as far as you know is this still necessary?  and why?
[19:00] <ScottL> i think it had to do with getting permission for using real time with jackd
[19:10] <holstein> ScottL: i need to make sure tucemix is on the mailing list and all that
[19:11] <holstein> he's been at it for a while now, he might a package suggestion, and not be getting the emails about where to put those
[19:13] <holstein> he was around the other day when someone was asking about getting http://gnomecoder.wordpress.com/luz/ added
[19:13] <holstein> the developer of luz studio
[20:47] <rlameiro> 101010
[21:28] <rlameiro> holstein: checking it now in kdenlive
[21:28] <rlameiro> then rendering it out
[21:34] <holstein> :)
[21:34] <rlameiro> rendering now :D
[21:35] <holstein> rlameiro: it'll work?
[21:36] <rlameiro> yeap
[21:36] <rlameiro> it nice and easy
[21:36] <rlameiro> its a little walk through
[22:12] <rlameiro> http://www.archive.org/details/UbuntuStudio10.10QuickAlternateInstallDemo
[22:12] <rlameiro> holstein: ScottL
[22:15] <rlameiro> ScottL: is there some ubuntustudio youtube channel?
[22:16] <persia> I think there's some sort of general Ubuntu video distirbution forum: I'd suggest asking popey about it, if there isn't an Ubuntustudio-specific one.
[22:16] <rlameiro> ok
[22:17] <holstein> rlameiro: :)
[22:55] <ScottL> i had been thinking about a youtube ubuntu studio channel, if we had numerous videos it would be a nice link from the website and a great resource for users
[23:08] <rlameiro> ScottL: maybe an account managed by you, and people submit stuff to you
[23:09] <rlameiro> it wouldn need to be you, but someone responsible for that, to prevent uploading of wrong stuff
[23:09] <persia> There's infrastructure at videos.ubuntu.com that could probably be done in parallel (or leveraged directly)
[23:10] <rlameiro> well, maybe it could be implemented on the website
[23:10] <rlameiro> with some kind of html5 player or even a flashplayer
[23:11] <rlameiro> that would link to  videos.ubuntu.com
[23:23] <ScottL> thanks persia, i tend to forget about videos.ubuntu.com
[23:24]  * persia too
[23:24] <persia> But I do believe we ought share as much infrastructure as possible: there's just no way we can manage everything by ourselves.
[23:25] <persia> (Plus we get free advertising for our apps and workflows presenting in common fora)


[11:43] <brunch875> $ telegram-sergiusens.telegram
[11:44] <brunch875> damn, can't paste the message report
[11:44] <brunch875> snap/telegram-sergiusens/26/command-telegram.wrapper: 6: exec: /snap/telegram-sergiusens/26//usr/bin/env: not found
[11:44] <brunch875> preceed by a slash
[11:56] <ogra> ogra@styx:~$ snap info telegram-sergiusens|grep refresh
[11:56] <ogra> refreshed:   2017-04-01 19:32:23 +0200 CEST
[11:56] <ogra> brunch875, probably an april fools joke from sergio ;)
[11:57] <ogra> brunch875, open a topic on the forum in the snaps category to make him know it is broken (i see the same here)
[11:57] <ogra> s/snaps/snap/
[12:03] <ogra> (or ping him on rocket.ubuntu.com)
[12:03] <brunch875> orgra: forums?
[12:03] <brunch875> we have forums?
[12:03] <ogra> see topic ;)
[12:04] <brunch875> oh! :D
[12:05] <brunch875> is rocket the new IRC nowadays? There seem to be a couple of alternatives...
[12:09] <ogra> well, it is rocket, IRC, forum and mailing lists ...
[12:09] <ogra> the latter two might merge at some point
[12:13] <brunch875> I've also seen matrix.org trying to standardize protocols through restful apis, but this all reminds me of https://xkcd.com/927/
[12:14] <ogra> yeah, a bit
[12:15] <ogra> we used to use a closed telegram group for snapd development, that bit moved to the forum so you can finally have some more insight
[12:15] <ogra> i think thats a big improvement
[12:16] <ogra> (doing opensource development behind closed doors is never good)
[12:16] <brunch875> I fully agree with that
[17:25] <mup> PR snapd#3087 closed: overlord/snapstate: introduce tasks for aliases v2 semantics with temporary names for now (aliases v2) <Critical> <Created by pedronis> <Closed by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/3087>
[19:48] <farribeiro> help to build a snap package... I want build firefox + deb package (as daemon)... not have any document for this
[19:53] <farribeiro> help to build a snap package... I want build firefox + deb package (as daemon)... not have any document for this
[19:57] <CoderEurope> farribeiro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/snapcraft/parts
[19:58] <farribeiro> I taking a look just this section, but don undestanding
[19:59] <farribeiro> I have built a Dockerfile with this scenario
[19:59] <CoderEurope> farribeiro: have you tried here ? https://rocket.ubuntu.com/channel/snapcraft
[19:59] <farribeiro> I'm a baby with snappy... docker not well
[20:00] <farribeiro> no... in rocket, no
[20:00] <farribeiro> My snapscrafty... https://gist.github.com/farribeiro/602bd0a2a15ea30c9a36651698627dee
[20:01] <CoderEurope> well put your question there - thats where all the developers hang on !
[20:01] <farribeiro> my Dockerfile https://github.com/farribeiro/wscef-docker/blob/master/Dockerfile
[20:01] <CoderEurope> farribeiro: please refer you question to: https://rocket.ubuntu.com/channel/snapcraft
[20:01] <farribeiro> Ok
[20:21] <farribeiro> Done.
[23:40] <lifeless> .win goto #openstack-neutron


[03:21] <pleia2> all the subpages of ubuntu-women.org are moved to the wiki :)
[03:21] <pleia2> updated the menu, redirects are in place
[09:20] <valorie> pleia2: kudos to you for doing all that work!
[09:20] <valorie> +++ to pleia2
[09:21] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:23] <AlanBell> hi
[09:23] <czajkowski> hows you
[17:18] <pleia2> thanks valorie :)
[19:32] <akgraner> hey do you of you all know of any major Linux Events happening in March 2011
[19:32] <akgraner> I pycon is happening
[19:33] <akgraner> but other than pycon  - anyone know of anything else?
[19:33] <pleia2> I still think we'll have flying cars in 2011, that's too far in the future for me to think about
[19:33] <pleia2> morning akgraner :)
[19:33] <akgraner> pleia2, good morning - afternoon ?? something :-)
[19:33]  * pleia2 sips coffee
[19:34] <akgraner> great interview by the way - almost finished with the edits
[19:34] <pleia2> oh good :)
[19:34] <akgraner> but hard to take a break   - (more corn to freeze)
[19:35] <maco> nothing on my calendar
[19:36] <dinda> anyone going to the Grace Hopper in October?  Atalanta, I think?
[19:37] <pleia2> can't make it, but wish I could!
[19:38] <maco> http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=h8nhc87h6h195lqj8i4l2jka90%40group.calendar.google.com
[19:38] <maco> akgraner: thanks for the pycon headsup. added it there
[19:39] <dinda> it just looks like an awesome conference
[19:39] <dinda> akgraner: no word yet on next year's TXLF
[19:40] <akgraner> not yet
[19:40] <akgraner> I am working on another event for early next spring just trying to avoid scheduling conflicts
[19:41] <akgraner> also I need to know who is a database guru - MySQL is not the easiest light reading I have encountered
[19:42] <akgraner> I can't find one that does what I want it to so I need to just create my own.. I need some assistance or this is going to make me crazy...
[19:45] <jledbetter_> phpMyAdmin?
[19:49] <daker> akgraner, if you want just to do simple things with Mysql
[19:49] <daker> try http://www.adminer.org/
[19:49] <daker> jledbetter_, phpmyadmin is complete tool
[19:50] <akgraner> thanks I'll take a look - there is no really good Open Source Event management/planning applications out there  - I have been searching for months now  - driving me crazy  :-)
[19:52] <akgraner> There are some great programs but none I am willing to sell a Kidney for
[19:52] <jledbetter_> I thought there was a promising one. Can't remember it now.
[19:54] <jledbetter_> akgraner: Do you have a list somewhere of what this application would do?
[19:56] <akgraner> jledbetter_, I do right now I manually generate everything - I can email you a list if you would like
[19:56] <akgraner> I need to be able to enter a group and based on the type of group it will give me a todo list and be linked to my contracts, proposals and to my email etc
[19:59] <jledbetter_> akgraner: Sure. I thought I saw a neat open source helper when I was looking up how to do a barcamp. I can't find the bookmark though.
[20:01] <akgraner> right - I want to be able to have something when a group calls me and says - we want to do foo in bar city... then within 48 hours have them a proposal
[20:02] <akgraner> it's an idea based on new markets Delphi system that most hotels use
[20:02] <jledbetter_> Because you already have bar city's contacts like hotels and such and a generic foo list in the db?
[20:02] <akgraner> I worked with the New Market folks migrating hotels over from a manual system to an automated system years ago - but it's not quite what I need
[20:03] <akgraner> jledbetter_, no b/c I can say this is what it will cost you to have me do it - and here is the list of things I will need to do for you
[20:04] <akgraner> however over time the various city's information will get populated
[20:04] <jledbetter_> Ah hm. Yeah, I haven't seen that open source in my search. I saw stuff like "Event. Help with Registration/tracking."
[20:04] <akgraner> nods
[20:05] <akgraner> nothing for the event manager/planner - so I guess this is how people learn stuff- can't find what works so you learn to do it yourself :-)   (I think I am really a geek now when my light reading is MySQL)
[20:06] <jledbetter_> Hehe. Yes. :)
[20:06] <akgraner> so once I get this started  - if anyone wants to help :-)  let me know  - I am going to be doing open source event management and planning... using open source tools as well as planning open source events... setting all the "professional business" part of it up is the hardest part
[20:07] <akgraner> planning/managing them is the easy part
[20:07] <AlanBell> would make a good quickly and desktopcouch app
[20:09] <jledbetter_> AlanBell: Funny. I went straight to web app. I'm biased, I know. But you're right, this would be a good Quickly app.
[20:09] <akgraner> AlanBell, do ya think?
[20:10] <dinda> http://guadec.org/index.php/guadec/2010/schedConf/training
[20:10] <dinda> GNOME developer training - schweet!
[20:10] <AlanBell> yeah, it is document data rather than relational data
[20:11] <jledbetter_> Unless one wants to delegate parts and have folks update the status of the part like a wiki.
[20:11] <jledbetter_> I wonder if this could help locos too...
[20:12] <akgraner> AlanBell, once I get the 200th UWN issue in the can - and the new fridge stuff up - then I'd like to start on this application - no rush or anything I mean I've gone this long without it - but I'd be happy to write up the abstract on it and help where ever I can as I learn
[20:14] <akgraner> and when I say I  - I am really meaning the whole news team when it come to UWN and Fridge
[20:18] <akgraner> Can I just say - I feel very empowered atm 2 years ago I would have purchased something and just said  - I'll make it work for me somehow
[20:18] <akgraner> now I am like nope none of these work - guess I need to learn how to make something that will - How cool is that?
[20:18] <jledbetter_> I was impressed with Quickly and hope it helps empower more people to scratch an itch :)
[20:19] <jledbetter_> akgraner: Very cool :)
[20:20] <akgraner> at SELF the quickly talk/demo rick spencer did  - was very popular.. people are loving it
[22:21] <czajkowski> is there anyone here from Camaroon ?


[18:10] <Mooncairn> GNOME Bluetooth isn't finding my bluetooth devices, but it's finding other devices in the area. Not sure where to go from here.
[18:22] <Mooncairn> Okay, got one to be found by some combination of restarting the bluetooth service and having my device do a pairing ping. Still no luck on the other device.
[18:43] <Mooncairn> Got the other one connected, but it's proving to be really fussy. No A2DP sound out of it.
[18:57] <cmaloney> I have one bluetooth adapter that proved a right pain to keep paired
[18:57] <cmaloney> I'm using an Asus dongle now
[18:57] <cmaloney> I think it's this one here: https://www.asus.com/us/networking-iot-servers/adapters/all-series/usbbt400/
[18:57] <Mooncairn> My dongle should be okay. Bluetooth worked fine when I was running KDE.
[18:58] <cmaloney> That was before you upgraded. ;)
[19:06] <Mooncairn> It doesn't help that my hand-me-down bluetooth headset is a piece of junk.
[19:07] <cmaloney> oof
[19:07] <Mooncairn> I just momentarily got audio working and was playing a YouTube video. The sound cut out again when the next video started.
[19:07] <cmaloney> This is part of why I'm still using wired headphones
[19:08] <Mooncairn> Yea, I was having (different) problems with this unit under KDE. I've largely been using a wired headphone, but it's really uncomfortable and grows more so the longer they're on my head.
[19:10] <Mooncairn> And apparently lack of sleep induces mixed singular and plural nouns and pronouns. ;)
[19:17] <Mooncairn> On a totally unrelated note, today I'm wishing that I had a bag of holding that I could shove all the junk I'm ostensibly cleaning up.
[19:29] <cmaloney> Heh.
[19:29] <cmaloney> More than once I've wished for a TARDIS
[19:30] <cmaloney> but I know that I'd just be asked to move people


[09:36] <ara> eeejay: I have merged your changes and jcollado's (resolving a small conflict in between) back to  	 bzr branch lp:~udt-contributors/ubuntu-desktop-testing/test-suite-class Could you adapt the dx stuff to the new class structure before merging back to trunk?
[09:37] <eeejay> ara: what changes did i make?
[09:37] <eeejay> ara: dx is in trunk!
[09:38] <eeejay> ara: you mean fix it in test-suite-class?
[09:38] <ara> eeejay: yes, yes, but before we merge test-suite-class branch in trunk, dx stuff should be adapt to the new class structure
[09:38] <ara> yes
[09:38] <eeejay> ara: np
[09:38] <ara> eeejay: thanks :)
[10:29] <eeejay> ara: you don't run into an ImportError with "utils"?
[10:30] <eeejay> ara: I just fixed it, but maybe you did too in a local copy
[10:31] <ara> eeejay: where exactly? when importing which module?
[10:33] <eeejay> ara application.gnome
[10:34] <eeejay> ara: maybe it is because you use setup.py? I just ran it in-place
[10:40] <eeejay> ara: ok, the branch is updated with working DX tests too
[10:40] <ara> eeejay: thanks. I will try to update the documentation today
[11:48] <davmor2> morning everybody
[12:00] <ara> davmor2: hey!
[12:46]  * ara -> lunch
[16:46]  * ara takes a break until the qa meeting


[00:49] <teward> Unit193: has applications such as niko's ChanTracker module been evaluated as potential replacements for Bantracker?
[00:49] <teward> just wondering :p
[00:50] <Unit193> Hard question.


[13:51] <dzho> anybody here know this guy?
[13:51] <dzho> Presenter: John Kennedy, Co-Leader, Linux/Ubuntu Help Desk
[13:51] <dzho> Licking County Computer Society - Newark, Ohio
[13:51] <dzho> or, maybe, *is* this guy?
[14:06] <yano> JFK is back from the dead!


[00:42] <kcj> Morning.
[01:06] <hads> morning
[19:20] <Atamira> morning
[19:40] <olly_> morning
[19:46] <chilts_> morning
[19:51] <ibeardslee> morning
[20:37] <ajmitch> morning
[21:01] <mwhudson> morning
[21:35] <hads> morning


[02:01] <bodhizazen> lo all
[02:01] <bodhizazen> the US Ski Team is training @ Timberline
[02:02] <bodhizazen> Had a chance to meet Sarah
[02:02] <bodhizazen> http://www.usskiteam.com/alpine/athletes/athlete?athleteId=1053
[02:09] <seidos> hi there bodhizazen
[02:11] <seidos> I've always wondered if it was possible to tell if someone was a really skilled athlete just by talking to them.
[02:29] <bodhizazen> seidos, well, I watched her train as well =)
[02:30] <bodhizazen> Olympic Athletes are extremely dedicated to their sport
[02:30] <bodhizazen> Think about it - Years of training for 15 minutes of fame =)
[02:34] <seidos> that kind of dedication is foreign to me.  Makes me wonder where it comes from.  I used to snowboard, but it was for fun, and the more I pushed to improve, the more I realized it wasn't for me.  Improvement didn't seem to be worth the risk in pain.  But I never did slalom, it isn't really suited to snowboarding, or vice versa, I would think it is still dangerous though.
[02:36] <bodhizazen> yep
[02:37] <bodhizazen> If you read the bio, Sarah missed an Olympic competition due to injury
[02:37] <seidos> I skimmed it
[02:37] <bodhizazen> And Lindsey Vonn broke her hand in a spectacular crash
[02:38] <seidos> were they in this last Olympics?  I think I remember seeing that.
[02:38] <seidos> Yeah, Lindsey Vonn sounds familiar.  She won a gold, right?
[02:51] <stlsaint> bodhizazen: yo yo yo
[02:53] <stlsaint> tsk tsk...no love
[02:56] <bodhizazen> 'lo stlsaint
[04:24] <nUboon2Age> duanedesign: I have a question about the forums you might be able to help me with.  I made a post, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=639966 , but when i search under 'Find all your posts' it doesn't show up, and at least for me when i go to Community Cafe, i don't see it near the top as i'd expect it to be.  Any ideas what might be going on?
[04:27] <nUboon2Age> kermiac: ^^^
[04:33] <nUboon2Age> kermiac: duanedesign: hmmm... i just posted to another thread in Community Cafe, and again i don't see it rising to the top of the list as i'd expect it too...
[04:37] <kermiac> hey nUboon2Age, I'm not a forum regular so I don't know how much help I can be... have you got a link to your post?
[04:37] <nUboon2Age> kermiac: see above ^^^^ :)
[04:38] <kermiac> nUboon2Age: haha, I'm blind today :)
[04:40] <duanedesign> nUboon2Age: hello
[04:40] <head_victim> I'm no expert either but it would appear the latest update to the front page of all the ubuntu forum sections was 2 hours ago. Might be something with updating on the forum side
[04:41] <duanedesign> nUboon2Age: Do ant of your Community Cafe posts show up?
[04:41] <duanedesign> s/ant/any
[04:41] <kermiac> nUboon2Age: is it maybe because you "bumped" your own thread? Do you want me to post a comment & see what happens?
[04:41] <kermiac> hey duanedesign :)
[04:42] <duanedesign> nUboon2Age: i know Community Cafe posts dont count towards your bean count. I am not sure if that also excludes them from your 'Find all Posts'
[04:42] <duanedesign> kermiac: hello!
[04:43] <nUboon2Age> kermiac: yes, please try posting to it and see if it bumps up.
[04:44] <nUboon2Age> duanedesign: i did two and neither are bumping up.  Neither were 'my' threads.
[04:45] <nUboon2Age> duanedesign: kermiac: i just did a third and its not bumped either.  i see what you said about the latest being 2 hours old.  yeah maybe there's something going on with the forum.
[04:47] <kermiac> ah.. I think something's going on with the forums. It logs me in, redirects me back to the original page & then shows that I'm not logged in
[04:47] <nUboon2Age> kermiac: okay that kind of thing happened to me too.
[04:47] <kermiac> i think head_victim might be right, there's probably an update or something going on atm
[04:49] <Mohan_chml> shredder12: you got the news about ubuntu.stackexchange.com?
[04:50] <shredder12> Mohan_chml: its amazing. Stackoverflow and sister sites have completely changed the face of forums
[04:50] <nUboon2Age> head_victim: kermiac: duanedesign: thanks, i think you're right.  somethings up with the forum.
[04:50] <Mohan_chml> yeah :)
[04:51] <head_victim> nUboon2Age: no worries, just throwing my 2 cents in
[04:51] <nUboon2Age> kermiac: are Mohanchml and shredder1.2 bots?
[04:53]  * kermiac grins
[05:12] <robbmunson> I need moar caffeine, ze interwebzis is clogged and I must do wut is necessary to unclogz it. zis will take zum time.....
[05:13] <robbmunson> (if I offended anybody with the lame somewhat french accent, sorry, I formally apologize.)
[05:14] <Mohan_chml> lol robbmunson
[05:18] <zkriesse> lol hey robbmunson
[05:18] <robbmunson> whats crackin? lol
[05:18] <zkriesse> Nuttin
[05:19] <zkriesse> robbmunson: you play Urban Terror?
[05:19] <robbmunson> zkriesse: used to.
[05:19] <zkriesse> argh
[05:19] <robbmunson> ive formatted this beast so many times its nuts, but I can put it back on later.
[05:20] <zkriesse> Cause I'd like to play ya
[05:22] <robbmunson> maybe later, like tomorrow or something zkriesse?
[05:23] <zkriesse> OH i wasn't meaning now..lol
[05:23] <zkriesse> I was just asking if you play
[05:23] <robbmunson> oh, lol
[05:23] <robbmunson> im shocked and amazed they have let UrT go so long without that patch....
[05:24] <zkriesse> What patch
[05:25] <robbmunson> UrTed
[05:25] <robbmunson> has a patch to it, but this version or UrT has been out a long time, no?
[05:27] <zkriesse> Don't know
[05:27] <Mohan_chml> robbmunson: het into -team
[05:27] <Mohan_chml> get*
[05:27] <Mohan_chml> Zach lets carry on all there
[05:27] <zkriesse> Mohan_chml: you don't tell robbmunson anything...you ask him
[05:27] <robbmunson> Yes sir! *salute* ;)
[05:27] <Mohan_chml> lol
[05:28] <robbmunson> zkriesse: down boy, lol
[05:28] <zkriesse> lol
[05:28] <Mohan_chml> robbmunson: wll you please join #ubuntu-beginners-team :P
[05:28] <robbmunson> im....already there?
[05:28] <robbmunson> i have it on auto-join :)
[06:46] <shahan> Video issue
[06:48] <shahan> I discussed it yesterday. Anyone can check the issue in [19:18] <shahan> Need some more performance in UBUNTU video show.. That is It seems in Windows I got more advanced performance(the quality of video).
[06:48] <shahan> from http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/08/04/%23ubuntu-beginners.txt
[07:26] <RealEyes> hey guys
[07:41] <wallybazoo> hi, i need a little(?) help with my ubuntu 10.04 :)
[07:42] <wallybazoo> i cannot connect to the internet from ubuntu
[07:42] <wallybazoo> i'm using a 3g usb modem
[07:43] <wallybazoo> the modem is ZTE ac8700 and it does not get detected when i plug it in
[07:44] <RealEyes> have you looked into 'MadWifi'?
[07:44] <RealEyes> Run a google search on that.
[07:44] <wallybazoo> no sorry ok
[07:44] <RealEyes> Ubuntu usually has a hard time with wifi, esp USB sticks.
[07:48] <wallybazoo> ok MadWifi...it seems to be Wifi related, and currently they say there isn't support for usb :(
[07:49] <wallybazoo> what i'm using is mobile broadband
[07:49] <wallybazoo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1317056
[07:49] <wallybazoo> thats what i got searching for a solution
[07:50] <wallybazoo> the issue i'm having, is that my device isn't getting detected when i plug it in
[07:50] <wallybazoo> and they don't seem to mention what to do if it dosen't get detected
[07:51] <wallybazoo> i'm assuming i have to install drivers, but being a linux newb i dont know how to do that...
[07:52] <RealEyes> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[07:54] <wallybazoo> i should try that?
[11:21] <ronank> I'm trying to boot a Eee from Ubuntu Netbook Edition on a USB stick, so that I can fix the messed-up installation on the SSD in the device, but it halts at "GRUB loading" with Error 15. Can anyone help sort this out?
[11:23] <Silver_Fox_> /boot/grub/menu.lst  might be pointing to the wrong partition for grub stage 1.5. Have you recently manipulated your partitions?
[11:25] <ronank> I had to power the netbook off because the keyboard wasn't responding, and my attempts to use fsck to fix the problem have just made it worse.
[11:25] <ronank> I haven't changed anything myself, but I guess fsck has damaged something
[11:39] <hobgoblin> ronank: then I would suggest that either the usb is not right or the Eee is not set to boot from usb first
[11:41] <ronank> hobgoblin: I know the Eee is set to boot from USB, because if the stick is not inserted, it won't boot at all. There may be a problem with the USB - how can I test this?
[11:44] <hobgoblin> no idea I'm afraid - never had a usb set to boot from
[11:48] <ronank> hobgoblin: ok thanks.
[11:50] <hobgoblin> ronank: not sure what you can do to check tbh - and you need somehow to reinstall grub I think
[11:51] <IAmNotThatGuy> Evening hobgoblin =]
[11:51] <ronank> hobgoblin: yes. I can't figure out how to boot it though. Does anyone else have any ideas?
[11:52] <IAmNotThatGuy> ronank: boot failiure??
[11:53] <hobgoblin> ronank: so what do you get when you boot without the usb - what error is it ?
[11:53] <ronank> IAmNotThatGuy: Yes, I'm trying to boot a Eee from Ubuntu Netbook Edition on a USB stick, so that I can fix the messed-up installation on the SSD in the device, but it halts at "GRUB loading" with Error 15.
[11:55] <ronank> hobgoblin: Nothing - it's a BIOS error. I'll check the text now.
[11:56] <IAmNotThatGuy> ronank: is that similar too http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1414036?
[11:56] <ronank> hobgoblin: I'm wrong. Same GRUB error from the hard disk.
[11:57] <ronank> IAmNotThatGuy: that looks similar, I'll see if that helps
[11:57] <Mohan_chml> okay ronank (:
[11:59] <hobgoblin> ronank: hang on - are you saying that you have installs on both the ssd and the usb? if that's the case you are needing a livecd/liveusb to reinstall grub
[12:00] <ronank> hobgoblin: yes, I have both. The netbook was working fine from the SSD yesterday :-)
[12:01] <ronank> hobgoblin: I think I have a live CD on a USB stick and I want to boot that.
[12:02] <hobgoblin> if the usb is giving you error15 - either it has an install which is failing - or it is not being booted with - at least that seems a logical explanation
[12:04] <ronank> hobgoblin: I think I mis-diagnosed the problem. The error 15 is coming from the SSD installation. I'm now trying to boot from the USB and the BIOS says: "Reboot and Select proper Boot device", which I guess means that the USB is not bootable.
[12:05] <hobgoblin> k - that makes more sense now :)
[12:05] <hobgoblin> you need to do that then - unetbootin or whatever - not something I have done
[12:07] <ronank> hobgoblin: I'll recreate the USB bootable system. I made it on a Mac, that may be the problem
[12:07] <ronank> Mohan_chml: I think the page you pointed me to will help
[12:07] <ronank> Thanks
[12:07] <hobgoblin> ronank: good luck then :)
[12:07] <Mohan_chml> no worries ronank carry on with debugging (:
[12:08] <Mohan_chml> hobgoblin: I said evening :(
[12:08] <hobgoblin> I assume you have the reinstall grublink already
[12:08] <hobgoblin> Mohan_chml: and I was helping someone :) good day to you
[12:09] <Mohan_chml> hobgoblin: We spoke before three weeks I think
[12:09] <Mohan_chml> hows life piskie??
[12:09] <hobgoblin> pretty good ty
[12:10] <Mohan_chml> okies =]
[12:11] <hobgoblin> Mohan_chml: how about for you?
[12:11] <Mohan_chml> health wise I am really bad. real life problems are somewhat okay now and ty for asking (:
[12:12] <hobgoblin> oh - sorry tohear that
[12:13] <Mohan_chml> It will get cured soon and I want it cure by tomorrow as I have a workshop to speak tomorrow (:
[12:58] <duanedesign> morning all
[13:00] <shpongle> good morning duanedesign  :)
[13:01] <paultag> morning shpongle, duanedesign
[13:02] <shpongle> hey there paultag
[13:07] <Silver_Fox_> o/
[13:18] <bihari> Good evening to all
[13:24] <darknemesis> hi, anyone have any idea on how to find out how to recall the output of the console?
[13:24] <darknemesis> i know history does the commands
[13:24] <darknemesis> i need the resulting stuff from those commands
[13:25] <darknemesis> as i generated a password and then closed the console
[13:25] <darknemesis> i didnt write the password down
[13:25] <darknemesis> L(
[13:25] <darknemesis> :(((
[13:26] <Puck`> i don't think that is stored, it would be a security issue
[13:27] <darknemesis> so the only way to do it would be to pay again - the issue is with ipreditor
[13:27] <darknemesis> they wont allow you to reset the password if you forgot it
[13:27] <darknemesis> for a vpn
[13:27] <bihari> darknemesis,  whats you problem?
[13:27] <Puck`> auch, that's a pretty bad service i'd say, you shouldn't pay for password resets :\
[13:28] <darknemesis> well i paid for a vpn, and forgot the password
[13:28] <darknemesis> they say that if you forget the password then you have to pay again and the account will be invalid
[13:28] <bihari> oic
[13:29] <darknemesis> so i need to get the output of the terminal from the last session i used the console
[13:29] <darknemesis> as that has my password in it
[13:30]  * darknemesis was stupid and closed the terminal
[13:31] <bihari> darknemesis,  Try this question in #ubuntu
[13:31] <darknemesis> i did
[13:31] <darknemesis> they didnt know
[13:31] <darknemesis> and you guys know loads
[13:31] <paultag> darknemesis: unless the terminal logs stuff, it won't
[13:31] <bihari> Try now Mark is there may be he know
[13:31] <paultag> darknemesis: you might be able to parse ram / kcore, but that's reallllllly shady and sketch
[13:32] <paultag> darknemesis: and also won't do frak if you have rebooted
[13:32] <darknemesis> havent rebooted
[19:26] <cilly__> I have been trying to get a Lexmark Z25 printer to work with ubuntu 10.04.  Does anyone know how to do it?
[19:27] <pedro3005> cilly__, http://techscope.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/how-to-install-lexmark-z24-z25-z35-in-ubuntu-804/
[19:28] <pedro3005> maybe that helps
[19:45] <cilly__> pedro I will try it.  I tried the Z600 driver which is supposed to work, but all it does is spit paper
[20:21] <zkriesse> Hello RealEyes
[20:21] <RealEyes> hello there :D
[20:22] <RealEyes> how do i make XChat/Rythymbox and various other things auto-open at startup?
[20:22] <zkriesse> System -> Preferences -> Startup Applications
[20:24] <zkriesse> Hey daker
[20:25] <daker> hi zkriesse
[20:29] <zkriesse> RealEyes: Did that work for you?
[20:29] <RealEyes> yes but I cant the terminal in this 'browse'
[20:30] <zkriesse> Meaning you cant add it?
[20:30] <zkriesse> You have to Click the "Add" button
[20:32] <RealEyes> i know
[20:32] <RealEyes> but then it asks for the name and command and it has a browse button there
[20:32] <zkriesse> One sec
[20:33] <zkriesse> Ok add it to your desktop panel the app you want
[20:33] <zkriesse> Then opposite click on it and choose properties
[20:34] <zkriesse> Hey phillw and hobgoblin
[20:35] <phillw> hi zkriesse
[20:36] <hobgoblin> O?
[20:37] <hobgoblin> o/
[20:37] <zkriesse> lol
[20:37] <zkriesse> RealEyes: Did that help?
[20:42] <RealEyes> zkriesse, no.
[20:42] <zkriesse> RealEyes: Ok what are you trying to add
[20:42] <RealEyes> terminal
[20:42] <zkriesse> Ok click add
[20:43] <zkriesse> For the Type put "Application"
[20:43] <zkriesse> Name is "Terminal"
[20:43] <zkriesse> Command is gnome-terminal
[20:43] <zkriesse> and comment can be whatever ya want
[20:46] <RealEyes> i added it
[20:46] <RealEyes> lets restart to see if it worked?
[20:46] <zkriesse> sure
[20:53] <hobgoblin> hi paultag
[20:54] <paultag> hey hobgoblin
[20:54] <zkriesse> heya paultag
[20:54] <paultag> heyya zkriesse
[20:55]  * paultag is fighting with fluxbox
[20:56] <hobgoblin> well worth it eventually said someone who gave up the good fight
[20:56] <paultag> I mean, packaging
[20:56] <paultag> I'm finally updating it in debian
[20:56] <cilly__> okay  I'm trying to see if the z35 driver works.  When I put the command in terminal /usr/lib/cups/backend/z35  I get no response.  Its supposed to say direct z35:/dev/usb/lp0 “Lexmark Inkjet color printer” “Lexmark Printer”  But it says nothing.


[09:54] <philipballew> lousygarua, did you ever send that card?
[10:38] <lousygarua> philipballew, not yet
[10:39] <lousygarua> i scheduled sending it tomorrow
[10:45] <philipballew> lousygarua, tight. since you live really far away can I give you the address of where I will be in May?
[10:45] <philipballew> lousygarua, the other one is fine, but this one will get to me quicker, assuming it will take more then two weeks to get here?
[10:46] <lousygarua> philipballew, i believe it will take one week but i'm not really sure
[10:46] <lousygarua> just mail me the address to amir.eldor
[10:46] <lousygarua> at gmail
[10:46] <lousygarua> the address you want me to send to
[10:47] <philipballew> lousygarua, alright, im gonna tell my school to forwaord all remaining post cards
[10:47] <philipballew> mail to to san diego
[10:47] <lousygarua> the original address?
[10:48] <philipballew> lousygarua, yeah, if you think it will take a week
[21:45] <ju__> hi all
[21:46] <ju__> אני רוצה לעזור בלתרגם תוכניות לעברית
[21:46] <ju__> באיזה תוכניות נדרשת עזרה?


[02:39] <imnichol> What's the deal with the new ubuntu+phone mailing list?
[03:08] <popey> ignore it
[03:08] <popey> its all fixed
[03:08] <imnichol> Thanks