[00:42] <BiPolah> Could anyone give me a hand with a wget sheel script?
[00:43] <UndiFineD> BiPolah:
[01:56] <Billg> Hello.  I'm installing the dev tools on a current dev release, and I'm following the directions according to the beginners wiki page.  It said to create a file ~/.pbuilderrc and run sudo pbuilder create  ... but when I did that it said " root/.pbuilderrc file does not exist" but it went on creating pbuilder.  Should I worry about this?
[02:01] <hajour> phillw do you know who can help Billg ?
[02:01] <UndiFineD> sorry Billg I think noone available knows at this time
[02:02] <UndiFineD> people who do know are away
[02:10] <Billg> I'll just mess around with it and see if i can get it working
[02:26] <nhandler> Billg: Are you logged in as root?
[02:37] <Billg> how do i check that?
[02:40] <nhandler> Billg: whoami
[02:50] <Billg> the command whoami just returned my user name, but I think my user is an adminastrator but when i type sudo etc it still asks for password and i still return to my user name directory when i type cd
[02:51] <zkriesse> sudo is the command for granting temp ROOT user powers
[02:55] <Billg> so how do i change myself so im not an adminstrator -- how to from command line? the gui way is not allowing orca to read it
[02:57] <nhandler> Well, sudo shouldn't mess with the environment variables, so I'm not sure why it is looking at root/.pbuilderrc. I would have to play around some more. If it did creae the chroot though and you can build in it, you are probably fine
[03:02] <Billg> well it worked to build othe hello package like it said to try on the beginner website, but it still gave me error when i did that but continued and worked fine.  It put the results in the right directory as specified by the webpage.. it seems to be working fine.  I'm just wondering if there is something important in the .pbuilderrc file it needs later on
[05:00] <goesspoerr> assalamualaimkum
[05:10] <ray_> Hmm, I want to ask this, but I am likely going to rally people who have xbox receivers to file a bug for me. Which in turn I want to do to make Ubuntu better.
[05:12] <AbhijiT> ??
[05:12] <ray_> One of my xbox 360 wireless receivers has gone out, so I looked it up and it could be that the F1 fuse has burned out. Is there a way for the maintainers of it with Ubuntu to have it so that before it burns out that the receiver is turned off ahead of time?
[05:13] <ray_> Before it over heats?
[05:13] <ddecator> like a wireless controller dongle for your computer?
[05:13] <ray_> usb, yes
[05:14] <ddecator> ah, ok...i have no idea, haha
[05:14] <ray_> It's cool
[05:15] <ray_> Also the xbox 360 wireless controller's triggers don't work right
[05:15] <ray_> And the problem with the led lights blinking was never fixed but that one done't bother me
[05:16] <ray_> Well, that's it for me.
[05:17] <ray_> Is there a channel Ubuntu joystick related?
[05:17] <ddecator> not that i know of..
[05:18] <ray_> Ah ha, they have an artwork team.
[05:19] <ray_> Sorry to say I don't like purple, or brown and I didn't like the blue used for Kubuntu. Or is it Kbuntu?
[05:19] <ray_> Must be Kubuntu
[05:19] <ray_> I don't want to upset them
[05:19] <ray_> hmm
[05:20] <ray_> I will have to avoid saying what I didn't like.
[05:20] <ddecator> yah it's kubuntu, and that's why there are so many themes to choose from :)
[05:20] <ray_> I thought they did well, but I like blue
[05:21] <ray_> Everyone has there opinion.
[05:21] <ray_> I once tried themes, but I gave up trying that from the Ubuntu Software Center.
[05:21] <ray_> Instead, I have 2 themes
[05:22] <ddecator> i don't know if that works well or not. in kubuntu there is a way to download more themes right from the theme selection window
[05:23] <ddecator> gnome-look is a popular choice for finding themes for ubuntu, but a couple of things on there have been found to contain malware :/
[05:23] <ray_> Black and white. With white as text. With the controls as industrial, selected colors 0600CD, window border Clearlooks
[05:23] <ray_> With white and blue I have:
[05:26] <ray_> window border as clearlooks, controls as clearlooks, for colors: window E8F7FF, in boxes white, selected items 0028FF text for selected items is white, and tool tips white
[05:27] <ray_> I went to gnomelook over the months to find blue icon themes that I would like
[05:29] <ray_> Bluestep humanity is more to my liking, but I was shooting for Bluemanity but with out the hint of purple. I was hoping for Blue to black without light blue, and if there is any light blue I don't want gray which is why I don't like the Kubuntu look.
[05:30] <ray_> Before they changed the loggin them I was happy because I had found this:
[05:30] <ray_> oops
[05:30] <ray_> see if this works
[05:30] <ray_> Hardy-blue Brave 2 GDM
[05:31] <ray_> OK, I don't know why that happened. OK, I think I know what happened
[05:31] <ray_> I must have copied with right clicking without thinking instead of right click rename, copy with Ctrl-C. O well
[05:32] <ray_> See you dude
[05:37] <yax51> I'm looking for a good DVD ripper, any suggestions
[06:09] <humanitylos> Hello everyone, I am having an issue, I have 2 external hard-drives and every time I switch between Windows 7 and Ubuntu and then back I am having issues with windows either not recognizing the file system or it says its gone bad
[06:09] <humanitylos> does anyone know a fix for this? (and i need windows so dont say delete it lol)
[06:10] <AbhijiT> humanitylos, may be try in ##windows
[06:11] <humanitylos> Ya ill try that next but most windows ppl dont know ubuntu so I wanted to check here..
[06:28] <ray_> I decided to keep Windows XP on my other computer. I hope to never have to have a dual boot of Windows and Linux but I would like to learn someday how to make it work. But the only way to do that is to have a setup to have to work out the problems over years to truly understand how to maintain it.
[06:28] <ray_> I am going since I am going to be of no help here.
[08:47] <rokyronnie> Hi there
[08:52] <acarpine> Hi buddy!
[08:52] <rokyronnie> Hi acarpine
[08:52] <rokyronnie> hey.... can you help me with something?
[08:53] <acarpine> maybe :-)
[08:53] <acarpine> I don't know but try please
[08:54] <rokyronnie> I need to do internet sharing, and I don't know how to do that
[08:54] <rokyronnie> I am pretty new in Ubuntu
[08:55] <rokyronnie> there are many thing in Network ( Ubuntu 10.10 ) but... I tried different things, but it's not working
[08:56] <acarpine> I never do it under Ubuntu but you could start with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing
[08:57] <acarpine> There also other step-by-step tutorials like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91370
[08:57] <rokyronnie> I saw that, I thought there is a Graphic mode to do that, I am really new in everything which means Linux, so... it's not easy for me to do that in a command line
[08:58] <rokyronnie> the second link it's good :D, I think I can handle that
[08:59] <rokyronnie> is there a command, to see my network devices ? I have 2... and I don't know on which ones is my internet connection
[09:00] <acarpine> ifconfig
[09:01] <acarpine> it is the command to configure your network interfaces
[09:02] <acarpine> The section "GUI Method via Network Manager (Ubuntu 9.10 and up)" in the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Internet/ConnectionSharing explains how to share with the Graphical User Interface
[09:03] <acarpine> good luck rokyronnie :-)
[09:03] <rokyronnie> thankyou very much :D
[09:05] <acarpine> u r welcome!
[09:50] <s-fox> Hello.
[09:53] <JackyAlcine> Hey s-fox
[09:53] <zkriesse> Hey ya'll
[09:54] <zkriesse> brb
[09:59] <s-fox> Hello JackyAlcine :) How are you?
[10:00] <JackyAlcine> s-fox: A bit restless.
[10:00] <s-fox> Why is that?
[10:00] <JackyAlcine> *shrugs* I woke up in the middle of the night and my IDE was calling my name..
[10:00] <zkriesse> back
[10:01] <JackyAlcine> "Compile me..., compile me.." it beckoned.
[10:01] <MrChrisDruif> xD
[10:01] <JackyAlcine> :D
[10:01] <JackyAlcine> I had to listen to it!
[10:01] <MrChrisDruif> Doede...
[10:03] <zkriesse> ahaha
[10:03] <zkriesse> -team guys
[12:08] <duanedesign> morning all
[12:20] <MrChrisDruif> Hai duanedesign
[12:24] <duanedesign> hello MrChrisDruif
[12:24] <MrChrisDruif> How's it going?
[12:54] <rokyronnie> Is someone here who use Guitar Pro ?
[13:25] <rokyronnie> hi there
[13:31] <evilbuclaw> rokyronnie, I'm (sort of) familiar
[13:31] <evilbuclaw> can't say I have used it since v3 though. =)
[13:31] <evilbuclaw> or was it v2 ...
[13:31] <rokyronnie> I have some troubles, I have no sound in Ubuntu
[13:31] <rokyronnie> I mean, no sound from guitar pro
[13:32] <bioterror> but you can hear sounds from, lets say youtube?
[13:32] <evilbuclaw> tut
[13:33] <evilbuclaw> bioterror, gp => midi software
[13:33] <bioterror> haha
[13:33] <evilbuclaw> ooh cool
[13:33] <evilbuclaw> they have a release for Linux now. =)
[13:34] <rokyronnie> who?
[13:34] <bioterror> GP
[13:34] <rokyronnie> you mean v6?
[13:34]  * evilbuclaw gets free trial
[13:34] <rokyronnie> ok, I'll try that, thanks :D
[13:35] <bioterror> I've playde guitar since I was 12 and I've never used Guitar Pro :D
[13:35] <rokyronnie> my second question, I've got crashes from shockwave player in Chromium, what can I do?
[13:37] <bioterror> I bet it happens on certain web pages?
[13:37] <rokyronnie> it happens every where, for example... youtube
[13:37] <evilbuclaw> silly flash
[13:37] <bioterror> and with firefox it doesnt happen?
[13:38] <rokyronnie> firefox is fine, but... firefox run very hard :(, that's why I use Chromium
[13:38] <bioterror> rokyronnie, maybe problem with chromium, I dunno. I use beta from ppa and no probs.
[13:38] <evilbuclaw> rokyronnie, Chromium is beta (for time being), Flash is (and always will be) the product of 'meh' quality.
[13:39] <bioterror> hahaha
[13:39] <bioterror> flash is teh...
[13:39] <bioterror> I cannot find enough describing adjective
[13:39] <evilbuclaw> bioterror, 'meh' with a capital 'meh'
[13:40] <rokyronnie> and what can I do ? Firefox works very very hard, and slow, it takes so long to load a page
[13:40] <evilbuclaw> rokyronnie, it's likely a Chromium problem though. Having all processes in jailroot containers causes strange things to happen with plugins. n_n
[13:41] <rokyronnie> I understand
[13:41] <evilbuclaw> there's lots of 'speed up firefox' guides out there.
[13:41] <rokyronnie> oh, if you know a good one :D, show me
[13:42] <evilbuclaw> (I've done some strange things in the past when getting it to play nicely on netbooks)
[13:42] <evilbuclaw> Firefox 3.0beta made me D;
[13:44] <bioterror> firefox4 is faaaaaaaaaaaast
[13:44]  * JoeMaverickSett nods in aggggreeeement.
[13:45] <rokyronnie> oh, now I saw I have version 3 :D
[13:45] <rokyronnie> let me instal v4
[13:46]  * evilbuclaw disappears
[13:47] <evilbuclaw> rokyronnie, http://blog.bodhizazen.net/linux/improve-firefox-speed/
[13:49] <rokyronnie> thanks, I'm gonna try that :), cause Firefox v4 is just beta yet, or this is what I found
[13:49] <Puck`> rokyronnie: you could try installing Chrome and not chromium
[13:49] <Puck`> there might be some changes between the two
[13:50] <rokyronnie> to be honest with you guys, I like Firefox very much, if this will work, I'll be very happy
[14:22] <walkkenn> Sound problems with 10.4 netbook remix and ASUS 1001pxd (Realtek ALC259)
[14:22] <walkkenn> The internal microphone is not recognized. When I plug in a mike and headset I have no sound at all. When I run the alsamixer there is no mute box below the PCM, Mike Boost and Capture fields. They are only on the first two fields (master and speaker). I used the sound guide that was posted on the website, but, honestly I'm afraid that I am just making the problem worse. I have looked through the different threads and nothing
[14:22] <walkkenn>  seems to be working for me.
[14:27] <antisoda> can I remove gpg key from keyserver.ubuntu.com?
[14:33] <walkkenn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/565882/
[15:08] <walkkenn> http://paste.ubuntu.com/565882/        http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=d88af7e00befc9b4e7d5cc6555420e5bdee223d4  The last one seems to indicate that there are no input devices listed, but I don't have the expertise to fix the problem.
[15:23] <duanedesign> walkkenn: take a look at bug 714875
[15:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 714875 in alsa-driver "[Realtek ALC259] ALSA test tone not correctly played back. Sound works on Win7 with laptop speakers, sound works on Ubuntu 10.10 with headphones, but not with laptop speakers" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/714875
[15:25] <duanedesign> walkkenn: they need a bit more info on that bug (the alsa-info script). if you have it could you attach it to the bug?
[15:34] <walkkenn> duanedesign  Sorry, how do I get that info?  I am a nob
[15:37] <walkkenn> duanedesign  http://paste.ubuntu.com/565913/   Is that what you need?
[15:39] <duanedesign> walkkenn: could you try the newest linux-alsa-driver-module from the audio-dev ppa
[15:39] <duanedesign> the commands would be
[15:39] <duanedesign> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev/ppa
[15:40] <duanedesign> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install linux-alsa-driver-modules-$(uname -r)
[15:42] <duanedesign> if that still does not work you can find instructions for adding info to that bug here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/AlsaInfo
[15:43] <walkkenn> duanedesign  I ran through the sound troubleshooting guide and when I looked at this:  http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=d8...420e5bdee223d4     I found there is nothing listed under STACK, which seems to indicate to me that my internal mic is not recognized, nor is my headset jack (though when I plug in the headset, there is no sound output from the computer at all.  I would be happy to add to the bug ... what do I need to d
[15:43] <walkkenn> o?
[16:01] <walkkenn> duanedesign  I will post to the bug  Now my headset works and my speakers work, but none of my microphones work
[16:01] <AbhijiT> duanedesign, are you anyhow related to 'design' business?
[16:01] <AbhijiT> field
[16:38] <alienmindtrick> how does one set login preferences such that one doesn't need to login when resuming work on a laptop?
[16:39] <AbhiJit> alienmindtrick, its in preferences->screensaver
[16:39] <alienmindtrick> AbhiJit: that only works until you shut down and restart, then it goes back to requiring login
[16:40] <AbhiJit> nope
[16:40] <AbhiJit> it works well
[16:40] <alienmindtrick> i beg to differ. i just tried that from a thread on ubuntugeek
[16:40] <alienmindtrick> and i've tried it many many times in the past
[16:41] <AbhiJit> then i think i dont know what you want.
[16:41] <alienmindtrick> i've also tried setting it from System > Admin > Login Screen
[16:41] <alienmindtrick> i think you don't, either
[16:41] <alienmindtrick> but thanks, anyway
[16:42] <JackyAlcine> alienmindtrick: System -> Users and Groups
[16:43] <JackyAlcine> and then go to Password : Change
[16:43] <JackyAlcine> check 'Don't ask for password on Login'
[16:43] <JackyAlcine> If that's what you needed, alienmindtrick
[16:43] <alienmindtrick> JackyAlcine: it was already set for that
[16:43] <alienmindtrick> I just checked
[16:44] <JackyAlcine> ah, well, you want to avoid having to encounter GDM, no?
[16:44] <JackyAlcine> the login screen = GDM.
[16:44] <alienmindtrick> yes
[16:44] <JackyAlcine> It's like the middle man for GNOME and the X server system.
[16:44] <JackyAlcine> It's kinda *needed*
[16:44] <alienmindtrick> I'm not required to login at startup, but only when resuming work
[16:45] <alienmindtrick> and then only if I manually suspend the machine. if it auto-suspends, there's no login screen when i wake it
[16:45] <JackyAlcine> Then your screen gets locked; that's a setting, hold on.
[16:45] <alienmindtrick> OK
[16:47] <JackyAlcine> I'm not sure how to edit the lock screen configuration from GNOME, but I know that Ubuntu Tweak has such a configuration.
[16:47] <alienmindtrick> I shall have to get that
[16:48] <JackyAlcine> if you have the application, it's under Power Management settings.
[16:48] <nit-wit> JackyAlcine, screensaver has a on or off button for password on return.
[16:48] <JackyAlcine> That's for the screensaver, he's trying to disable the lock screen.
[16:49] <alienmindtrick> yes. I've tried the screensaver setting many many times. no change, it still requires login upon resume.
[16:53] <alienmindtrick> OK, in Ubuntu Tweak, there's a setting that says 'Disable user list in GDM'. Is that the one to check? It was prechecked, if that makes any difference. This is under the 'Login Settings' tab.
[16:55] <JackyAlcine> alienmindtrick: Nope, that just shows a textbox to enter a username.
[16:55] <alienmindtrick> OK
[16:55] <JackyAlcine> alienmindtrick: Go down the list to Power Management.
[16:55] <JackyAlcine> and 'Disable lock screen'.
[16:55] <alienmindtrick> done
[16:55] <alienmindtrick> wait
[16:56] <JackyAlcine> I'll be here.
[16:56] <alienmindtrick> System > Power Manager Settings > Enable "Lock screen" when "Blank Screen" activates? it was already unchecked.
[16:56] <alienmindtrick> oh oh oh oh oh
[16:56] <alienmindtrick> uncheck "Lock screen on suspend"
[16:57] <alienmindtrick> Ding!
[16:57] <JackyAlcine> :D
[16:57] <alienmindtrick> brb
[17:14] <JackyAlcine> ....
[17:14] <JackyAlcine> he isn't back yet. =/
[17:25] <rokyronnie> how can I add a Icon in applications categories? like a game(which I must run with wine) I wanna add it in Games category
[17:26] <holstein> rokyronnie: go to system - preferences - main menu
[17:26] <rokyronnie> thank you very much :D
[17:26] <holstein> :)
[17:36] <rokyronnie> can I set a winne window ontop ? cause it looks like this http://postimage.org/image/1qg442ox0/
[17:37] <holstein> not sure
[17:37] <holstein> i find it depends on the program
[17:37] <alienmindtrick> OK, I'm back and sad to report that the change in Ubuntu Tweak didn't stop Gnome from requiring me to login when resuming. what now?
[17:37] <holstein> sometimes there is a full screen option
[17:37] <holstein> sometimes that gets stuck ;)
[17:38] <holstein> alienmindtrick: whats the issue?
[17:39] <holstein> is this 10.10?
[17:39] <alienmindtrick> I have login disabled everywhere we can think of, yet my laptop still requires login when i wake it after manually suspending it. yes, 10.10.
[17:41] <holstein> well, lets look here
[17:41] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=283768
[17:41] <holstein> this is old though
[17:41] <holstein> *just read it for now
[17:42] <holstein> alienmindtrick: i think
[17:42] <holstein> hit alt+F2
[17:42] <holstein> then enter gconf-editor
[17:43] <alienmindtrick> holstein:  i think i've tried this before, but i'm checking into it
[17:43] <holstein> go to apps - gnome-power-manger
[17:43] <holstein> then look in 'lock'
[17:43] <holstein> untick 'suspend'
[17:43] <holstein> if that doesnt work
[17:43] <holstein> you should look around for a bug report
[17:46] <ibuclaw> rokyronnie, trial of GP6 works here. 8-)
[17:47] <rokyronnie> mine is on download too :D
[17:47] <ibuclaw> I have an appalling graphics card, to this 'RSE' engine thing of there's starts to go downhill after 4 tracks are playing at once.
[17:47] <ibuclaw> 8-\
[17:48] <rokyronnie> I used to use RSE, but, I'll do what I can to make it to run well
[17:48] <ibuclaw> *so this 'RSE' engine thing of theirs
[17:49] <rokyronnie> I hope it will run well
[17:51] <ibuclaw> rokyronnie, http://iainbuclaw.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/gp6.png
[17:51] <alienmindtrick> Applications > System > Preferences > Power Management?
[17:51] <alienmindtrick> i don't see a "lock" in 'Power Management Preferences'
[17:51] <alienmindtrick> holstein: is the "lock" setting in Applications > System > Preferences > Power Management?
[17:52] <rokyronnie> oh I understand
[17:52] <alienmindtrick> that was weird
[17:52] <alienmindtrick> i got nothing for about 5 minutes, then i got about 200 lines of text in here in about 1 second....more than 200
[17:52] <ibuclaw> alienmindtrick, bad connection usually. ;-)
[17:53] <holstein> alienmindtrick: in gconf-editor
[17:53] <holstein> unders 'apps'
[17:53] <alienmindtrick> ok
[17:53] <holstein> you can run gconf-editor from the terminal if you prefer
[17:53] <holstein> not sure about the lag
[17:53] <alienmindtrick> yeah, i don't see a graphic way to get to that
[17:53] <holstein> its pretty noisy in here today
[17:53] <holstein> on freenode
[17:54] <holstein> alienmindtrick: theres not
[17:54] <holstein> alt+f2 or the terminal
[17:54] <alienmindtrick> ha. color me observant
[17:54] <holstein> :)
[17:55] <alienmindtrick> holstein: ok, i'm in configuration editor
[17:56] <holstein> cool
[17:56] <holstein> go to 'apps'
[17:56] <holstein> hit the little "+" sign
[17:56] <holstein> to expand it
[17:56] <alienmindtrick> done
[17:57] <holstein> go to 'gnome-power-manager'
[17:57] <holstein> then you'll see 'lock'
[17:57] <alienmindtrick> k
[17:57] <holstein> in there
[17:57] <holstein> on the right
[17:57] <alienmindtrick> yep
[17:57] <holstein> you'll see a little checkbox
[17:57] <alienmindtrick> yep
[17:57] <alienmindtrick> none are checked
[17:58] <holstein> that *should* do it
[17:58] <holstein> alienmindtrick: you restarted?
[17:58] <holstein> after making those changes?
[17:58] <holstein> you might want to try that
[17:58] <alienmindtrick> um...i didn't change anything
[17:58] <holstein> im not sure about when those settings get loaded
[17:58] <alienmindtrick> nothing was checked
[17:58] <holstein> alienmindtrick: you probably made those changes with ubuntu-tweak
[17:58] <holstein> and didnt know
[17:58] <alienmindtrick> oh, yes i restarted
[17:59] <alienmindtrick> then i suspended and it required login
[17:59] <holstein> and whatever else you've copied and pasted in for several hours
[17:59] <holstein> trying to sort this out
[17:59] <holstein> this *should* do it
[17:59] <holstein> one thing you can try
[17:59] <holstein> use screensaver settings
[17:59] <alienmindtrick> did that months ago
[17:59] <holstein> and make sure that its unticked over there
[17:59] <alienmindtrick> screensaver, power management, login, deleted login keys
[17:59] <holstein> alienmindtrick: did what months ago?
[18:00] <alienmindtrick> all of these things except gconfig
[18:00] <holstein> right
[18:00] <alienmindtrick> and since i had nothing to change there, i don't think ...well, i don't think anything will change, right?
[18:00] <holstein> gconf woul have been the best place
[18:00] <holstein> i think
[18:00] <alienmindtrick> yes....i think you missed what i said
[18:00] <alienmindtrick> i changed nothing
[18:00] <alienmindtrick> none of the checkboxes were checked
[18:01] <holstein> alienmindtrick: something did though
[18:01] <holstein> you did
[18:01] <holstein> with something else
[18:01] <holstein> you* changed these settings
[18:01] <alienmindtrick> but NOTHING CHANGED
[18:01] <holstein> by some other means
[18:01] <holstein> alienmindtrick: are the unticked or not?
[18:01] <alienmindtrick> it still required me to login after i restarted and then suspended it
[18:01] <holstein> out of the box, hibernate and suspend are ticked
[18:01] <alienmindtrick> they are...and were...all unticked
[18:01] <holstein> if they are unticked
[18:02] <holstein> then, prior to this, at some point, by some means
[18:02] <holstein> something else changed these settings
[18:02] <alienmindtrick> ok, that's accepted. but it doesn't fix the issue, right?
[18:02] <holstein> and who knows what else
[18:02] <holstein> right
[18:02] <holstein> im not sure how i would procede
[18:02] <alienmindtrick> so....i'm right back where i was when i got here
[18:02] <holstein> yeah, you're doomed
[18:02] <holstein> ;)
[18:02] <alienmindtrick> yeah, it's not a super big issue...except that it is
[18:02] <alienmindtrick> ;)
[18:03] <holstein> i think i would make a new user
[18:03] <holstein> and try from inside that accound
[18:03] <holstein> account*
[18:03] <holstein> these settings
[18:03] <alienmindtrick> it's just an annoyance when i want to pop my laptop open, check something quickly...but find that i have to enter my entire 17-digit password
[18:03] <holstein> OR, if you have another install somewhere
[18:03] <holstein> soemthing that has had no prior tweaking
[18:03] <alienmindtrick> no clue
[18:03] <holstein> try the gconf setting
[18:03] <holstein> just to get 'whatever' had been done
[18:03] <holstein> prior to now
[18:04] <holstein> out of the equation
[18:04] <alienmindtrick> how does one do that?
[18:04] <holstein> well, by first trying a different new user account
[18:04] <holstein> on that install
[18:05] <alienmindtrick> can i then give that user full administrative rights?
[18:05] <holstein> then, trying another install
[18:05] <holstein> alienmindtrick: i wouldnt
[18:05] <holstein> thats not what you need
[18:05] <holstein> you should be able to find a work around for this
[18:06] <alienmindtrick> hmmm
[18:06] <alienmindtrick> well, i've been hearing that for months. except that no one can help me fix it. also, as i recall now, it did this even when i had 10.04 LTS, before updating to 10.10
[18:07] <alienmindtrick> so as to a fresh install...i don't think that would be advantageous
[18:07] <holstein> could be a bug
[18:07] <alienmindtrick> mmhmm
[18:07] <alienmindtrick> i've submitted it as such. haven't heard anything.
[18:07] <holstein> well, it would get whatever tweaks you have done out of the equation
[18:07] <holstein> alienmindtrick: what are you expecting to hear?
[18:07] <alienmindtrick> i've also looked high and low, trying to do due diligence
[18:07] <holstein> wheres the report?
[18:07] <holstein> you might could link it in here
[18:07] <holstein> see if its been confirmed
[18:07] <alienmindtrick> i thought i might find something on it in a forum
[18:07] <holstein> i will try it
[18:08] <holstein> when i have more time
[18:08] <alienmindtrick> right
[18:08] <holstein> and confirm it
[18:09] <alienmindtrick> holstein:  http://ubuntugeek.com/forum/index.php/topic,4041.0.html
[18:10] <alienmindtrick> that's not the first time i've posted it, either. that was just my latest round of frustration
[18:10] <holstein> yeah
[18:10] <holstein> thats not offical ubuntu support though
[18:10] <alienmindtrick> oh?
[18:10] <holstein> im suggesting a bug report
[18:10] <holstein> thats ubuntugeek
[18:10] <alienmindtrick> i thought that WAS a bug report
[18:10] <holstein> which is fine
[18:10] <holstein> im just saying
[18:10] <holstein> let me dig up what im talking about...
[18:10] <alienmindtrick> well, what is a bug report?
[18:11] <holstein> alienmindtrick: heres one i did
[18:11] <holstein> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+bug/695893
[18:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 695893 in ubuntustudio "JACK wont start with presonus firepod and generic kernel" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:11] <alienmindtrick> if you mean on the main ubuntu fora, yes, i've done that
[18:11] <holstein> see how its 'confirmed'
[18:11] <holstein> thats what im suggesting i can do for you
[18:11] <holstein> i'll try it
[18:12] <holstein> and if i have the same problem
[18:12] <holstein> i'll say i do
[18:12] <holstein> and then it can be marked confirmed
[18:12] <holstein> THEN, maybe we can get someone to look at it
[18:12] <holstein> assuming its a bug
[18:12] <holstein> *
[18:12] <alienmindtrick> okey dokey
[18:12] <holstein> the forums are great too
[18:12] <holstein> but, this is really where the dev would be looking
[18:13] <holstein> IF it comes to that
[18:13] <alienmindtrick> well, my one pet peeve with ubuntu is the many different official seeming fora
[18:13] <holstein> alienmindtrick: i hear you
[18:13] <holstein> BUT, ubuntugeek is its own thing
[18:13] <alienmindtrick> ok, let me do this report
[18:13] <alienmindtrick> the thing about ubuntugeek is that you normally get answers
[18:13] <holstein> you need a launchpad account for bugs
[18:14] <alienmindtrick> if you go to the main ubuntu forum, you get lost.
[18:14] <holstein> alienmindtrick: hey, ubuntugeek is great
[18:14] <alienmindtrick> i think that for beginners, ubuntu geek is much easier.
[18:15] <alienmindtrick> oh! i'm already registered there.
[18:15] <alienmindtrick> which means that i've already posted this there.
[18:15] <holstein> probably
[18:15] <holstein> just make sure you do a bug report about it
[18:15]  * alienmindtrick blushes and looks embarrassed
[18:15] <alienmindtrick> okey dokey
[18:15] <holstein> IF you want anything official to happen
[18:15] <holstein> a forum post can be ignored
[18:15] <holstein> a bug report can be too
[18:16] <holstein> BUT, its more official
[18:16] <alienmindtrick> i'm reminded of what my primary russian instructor used to say in monterey: for every 8 exceptions, there's a new rule. but there are exceptions.
[18:16] <holstein> check https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[18:16] <alienmindtrick> it's ok
[18:16] <alienmindtrick> i do technical writing
[18:16] <alienmindtrick> i'm sure i can do a bug report
[18:17] <holstein> theres just a bit more responsibility on the user here
[18:17] <alienmindtrick> alrighty. thanks a million holstein
[18:17] <holstein> doing bugs properly is a lot of work too
[18:17] <holstein> i did it once
[18:17] <holstein> with 10.04
[18:17] <holstein> from beta or alpha
[18:17] <holstein> trying to keep up with them
[18:17] <alienmindtrick> at any rate, it's far better than windoze!
[18:17] <alienmindtrick> ;)
[18:17] <holstein> and report properly
[18:18] <holstein> can be challenging
[18:18] <johnny77> I'm trrying to clean up my windows partition so that I can move it again, giving more space to ubuntu. However, when I go to defragment the drive, it is showing some files way out in the free space. I'm plaining to take 60gig from the 115 left for windows.
[18:19] <holstein> johnny77: maybe whatever that is windows calls swap space?
[18:19] <johnny77> These few files way out by themselves will they get deleted if I just go ahead and change the partition?
[18:19] <holstein> paging file or whatever
[18:19] <holstein> ?
[18:20] <johnny77> holstein: that's possible. I'm just afraid it may be some pictures or music files. something important.
[18:20] <holstein> i seem to remember disabling paging or whatever
[18:20] <holstein> and getting a 'better' defrag
[18:21] <holstein> but, its been years
[18:21] <rokyronnie> is there a way to add my password in a command line ? I don't want to ask me every time I run it
[18:21] <holstein> im not sure about if you resize otherwise
[18:21] <holstein> i think its better to be cautious anyways
[18:22] <holstein> rokyronnie: run?
[18:22] <holstein> sudo ?
[18:22] <holstein> what are you trying to bypass?
[18:23] <johnny77> holstein: I bet your right, because when I look at the report it says Pagefile fragmentaion: size: 1.48 gb total fragments 1 - thanks for the idea to turn it off. I'll try that.
[18:23] <rokyronnie> my command is sudo fkjdsfsd whatever it is, and after this, he ask me for password
[18:23] <rokyronnie> that's what I want to pass, I want to add the pass directly in command, so he never ask me
[18:23] <holstein> i think you want to add yourself to the sudoer group??
[18:23] <holstein> let me look that up...
[18:24] <holstein> personally, i appreciate the extra step
[18:24] <holstein> sanity check :)
[18:25] <holstein> this is relavant
[18:25] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=162867
[18:25] <holstein> but old
[18:26] <holstein> rokyronnie:
[18:26] <holstein> i have better information
[18:26] <rokyronnie> hmm, I actually want to do that for one command
[18:26] <holstein> sudo adduser USERNAME sudo
[18:26] <rokyronnie> say
[18:26] <holstein> then, you wont be prompted for pass
[18:26] <holstein> you'll say
[18:27] <holstein> sudo whatever
[18:27] <holstein> and it'll just happen
[18:27] <rokyronnie> ok :), thank you
[18:28] <rokyronnie> how can I do 2 commands in same line, I must add & or something?
[18:28] <holstein>  its 2 right?
[18:28] <holstein> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[18:28] <holstein> like that i think
[18:29] <rokyronnie> oh, it keeps ask me for pass
[18:29] <rokyronnie> :(
[18:32] <holstein> might need to logout and back in for that?
[18:36] <rokyronnie> hm, I don't think you understand exactly what I want to do :).So... I have a command line, which reset my internet connection ( if it gets down ) and I made it like an Icon in Applications - Internet, which opens a terminal and do what it need to do, but, like any command, it ask me for password, and I don't want it to ask me for password every time, that's why I am asking, can I add a command line before it ? which contains the pass or somethin
[18:36] <holstein> i see
[18:37] <holstein> i would have thought that would do it
[18:37] <holstein> i have a couple icons like that
[18:37] <holstein> and i just put my pass in
[18:37] <holstein> you should be able to script that though
[18:37] <holstein> you need a python guru
[18:37] <rokyronnie> I know, but I wanna see an example :D
[18:37] <holstein> :)
[18:38] <holstein> not even a guru
[18:38] <holstein> i bet thats easy
[18:38] <holstein> im just not there yet
[18:38] <rokyronnie> I must install python guru?
[18:38] <holstein> nah
[18:38] <holstein> i was suggesting finding a python expert
[18:38] <rokyronnie> aa
[18:38] <rokyronnie> I see
[18:39] <holstein> to show you how to write a little pythong progam
[18:39] <holstein> that would do that
[18:39] <holstein> run that command, and put in you pass
[18:39] <holstein> thats do-able
[18:39] <holstein> in theory
[18:42] <rokyronnie> if I put my pass it works, it's just fine, but, I would like to add that directly in command line :D, can you ask someone who knows how to do that?
[18:44] <holstein> hmmm
[18:44] <holstein> im not sure who i would ask
[18:44] <bioterror> rokyronnie, you can remove password from sudo
[18:44] <bioterror> rokyronnie, make it work without it
[18:44] <holstein> acutally, bioterror is on the list :)
[18:44] <bioterror> what
[18:45] <holstein> a go to guy for this question :)
[18:46] <bioterror> # %wheel ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
[18:46] <bioterror> add your user to wheel and remove # from /etc/sudoers
[18:47] <rokyronnie> like # %user ALL=(ALL) mypass: ALL
[18:47] <rokyronnie> like that?
[18:48] <bioterror> %wheel ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
[18:48] <bioterror> and add your user to whell group if it's not in it already
[18:48] <bioterror> wheel
[18:50] <rokyronnie> this is what I recieve
[18:50] <rokyronnie> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `('
[18:50] <bioterror> what?
[18:51] <rokyronnie> I recieve this if I insert that command
[18:51] <bioterror> you're modifying /etc/sudoers
[18:51] <bioterror> you must add that %wheel
[18:52] <bioterror> to make sudo understand that you want execute sudo command without password
[18:52] <rokyronnie> oooh, I thought I must put that in terminal, sorry
[18:52] <bioterror> aahhh
[18:52] <bioterror> ubuntu doesnt use wheel
[18:53] <bioterror> gotta think
[18:53] <bioterror> just a moment
[18:53] <rokyronnie> ok :)
[18:54] <bioterror> yeah
[18:54] <bioterror> easy peasy
[18:54] <bioterror> just a moment
[18:55] <bioterror> jep
[18:55] <bioterror> you have /etc/sudoers
[18:55] <bioterror> last line is "%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL"
[18:55] <bioterror> edit it to: %admin ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
[18:56] <bioterror> okay
[18:56] <bioterror> now I am :D
[18:56] <bioterror> I tried NOPASSWD: myaccount
[18:56] <rokyronnie> ok :D, i'll do that now
[18:56] <bioterror> ALL works without a problem :D
[18:57] <bioterror> I think I'll boot a livecd...
[18:57] <bioterror> thohoho
[18:58] <bioterror> there's a reason why I active root for a worst case scenarios
[18:59] <rokyronnie> my last line looks different
[18:59] <rokyronnie> I mean, it's just.. I don't have a sudoers dir, just sudoers.d
[19:00] <rokyronnie> and inside of it it's a file called readme
[19:01] <bioterror> you're using ubuntu?
[19:01] <bioterror> rokyronnie, what if you say "sudo visudo"
[19:01] <rokyronnie> yes, I am using Ubuntu
[19:01] <rokyronnie> let me try
[19:02] <rokyronnie> it shows me something
[19:02] <bioterror> oh yeah, I'll boot from recovery mode back to normal ;)
[19:03] <rokyronnie> why are you on recovery mode ? :D
[19:04] <bioterror> becouse I messed my sudoers ;)
[19:06] <rokyronnie> oh :D
[19:08] <rokyronnie> with visudo I can edit /etc/sudoers
[19:08] <bioterror> good
[19:09] <rokyronnie> my last line looks like                  root    ALL=(ALL) ALL
[19:09] <rokyronnie>
[19:09] <bioterror> you just need to add "NOPASSWD: "
[19:09] <bioterror> you dont have %admin?
[19:09] <rokyronnie> this is how it looks
[19:09] <rokyronnie> but I am the owner :D :))
[19:10] <bioterror> I have to the same line, but when I scroll more, I get two lines moar
[19:11] <rokyronnie> and if I add NOPASSWD before last all, it will never ask me for pass, for any command?
[19:12] <bioterror> yes
[19:12] <bioterror> but it should be for a group your user is a member
[19:12] <bioterror> and that's admin
[19:12] <bioterror> % groups                            .:21:12:38 on 11-02-11:.
[19:12] <bioterror> sad157 adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare
[19:12] <bioterror> I get
[19:14] <rokyronnie> oh sorry, now I opened the file with gedit, cause it was with terminal, and now I see, my last line is %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[19:15] <bioterror> yes
[19:15] <rokyronnie> %admin ALL=(ALL)NOPASSWD:ALL like that?
[19:15] <bioterror> remember spaces
[19:15] <bioterror> %admin ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
[19:16] <rokyronnie> I must restart my pc ?
[19:16] <bioterror> nope
[19:16] <bioterror> you can open terminal and run a sudo command
[19:16] <bioterror> :-)
[19:16] <rokyronnie> thank you very much :D
[19:16] <rokyronnie> very very much
[19:16] <bioterror> did it work
[19:16] <rokyronnie> yes
[19:16] <bioterror> not so secure, but oh well, it works
[19:17] <rokyronnie> I know, ok, the first idea was to add my pass in that command
[19:17] <rokyronnie> and just that
[19:18] <rokyronnie> but I think is not so easy :)
[19:18] <bioterror> yeah, that's easier :)
[19:19] <halpbatman> hey guys I'm in serious shit
[19:19] <halpbatman> lol
[19:19] <bioterror> !language | halpbatman
[19:19] <ubot2> halpbatman: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional.
[19:19] <bioterror> ;D
[19:19] <halpbatman> anyone have experience dual booth os X?ting wi
[19:19]  * bioterror washes his hands off from OS X
[19:20] <bioterror> I have no experience with EFI
[19:21] <rokyronnie> bioterror, did you know how can I make a wini windows ontop ? cause it looks like http://s4.postimage.org/1qg442ox0/Screenshot.jpg
[19:21] <bioterror> whaaat? that's like a post mark
[19:21] <bioterror> the things you lick and stamp on letters
[19:22] <bioterror> rokyronnie, could you provide a little bigger image
[19:23] <rokyronnie> sorry, http://s4.postimage.org/u3blujaxa/Screenshot.jpg
[19:23] <rokyronnie> there it is :)
[19:25] <bioterror> rokyronnie, you can configure it from wine?
[19:25] <rokyronnie> it's configured from wine, to be without a windows, I mean, full screen
[19:25] <rokyronnie> and this is the way it appears
[19:25] <bioterror> hmm
[19:26] <bioterror> rokyronnie, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=665434
[19:27] <rokyronnie> aparently my game is the same, even if I play
[19:27] <rokyronnie> ok it's not a problem, but if I can do something, why not :)
[19:27] <halpbatman> I used bootcamp to install ubuntu and now OS X won't boot.. can anyone help?
[19:27] <bioterror> been a while since I last time played Fallout
[19:29] <bioterror> halpbatman, but Ubuntu works?
[19:29] <halpbatman> yep
[19:30] <halpbatman> grub
[19:30] <halpbatman> loads
[19:30] <bioterror> why did you want to install ubuntu on mac?
[19:30] <halpbatman> and when i choose os X
[19:30] <halpbatman> it has kernnel error
[19:30] <halpbatman> i wanted to trit lol
[19:30] <bioterror> XCode and macports/fink wasnt enough? :D
[19:32] <halpbatman> yep
[19:32] <halpbatman> so do you know how to go about fixing this?
[19:33] <bioterror> well, I'm googling
[19:34] <mtkorb> i'm trying to boot Ubuntu from a flash drive. It gets to the login prompt but the screen keeps printing "MASQUERADE: lo ate my IP address." Anyone have any idea what this means?
[19:35] <bioterror> mtkorb, ubuntu 10.10?
[19:37] <mtkorb> 10.04
[19:37] <bioterror> mtkorb, have you done some connection sharings?
[19:38] <mtkorb> i don't think so... where would that be?
[19:42] <bioterror> szczur, we have a busy friday evening ;)
[19:42] <bioterror> szczur, one guy cant boot to OS X after installing Ubuntu, gets kernel panic from OS X ;)
[19:43] <halpbatman> <- raises hand
[19:43] <bioterror> szczur, and and second one is having "masquerade: lo ate my ip address"
[19:44] <szczur> phew :)
[19:44] <szczur> great start of the evening :)
[19:44] <bioterror> that masquerade comes after login
[19:45] <mtkorb> before login actually... the prompt shows up but the masquerade thing keeps getting printed on the screen
[19:45] <bioterror> what I found it could be solved by editng /etc/hosts and commenting out all lines which has IPv6 ;)
[19:46] <mtkorb> hmm ok i'll try that
[19:49] <bioterror> this mac case is bad
[19:50] <halpbatman> lol
[19:50] <halpbatman> yeeeeeahhhh
[20:02] <bioterror> halpbatman, things could be even more worse, you could boot to os x but not into ubuntu ;)
[20:03] <halpbatman> lol
[20:03] <halpbatman> loolll
[20:08] <mtkorb> i'm still getting the MASQUERADE message
[20:16] <bioterror> mtkorb, does it happen every time you boot?
[20:16] <mtkorb> bioterror: yeah
[20:23] <bioterror> mtkorb, I think it's a case for bug raport in launchpad
[20:24] <mtkorb> bioterror: what does that mean?
[20:25] <bioterror> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/report-problem
[20:30] <mtkorb> bioterror: i'm guessing it's not a bug and that I have something configured incorrectly. I wasn't the one who originally set up this install, I'm just trying to migrate it to a flash drive...which is turning out to be a pain.
[20:32] <bioterror> hmmm
[20:32] <mtkorb> when I start up there's also an error that says "Starting AppArmor profiles    xargs: /sbin/apparmor_parser: terminated by signal 9   [fail]"       ... no idea if this is related
[20:34] <rokyronnie> is here someone who use DeadBeef ? :D
[20:36] <szczur> me, but just for listening chiptunes
[20:36] <rokyronnie> oh, but, in preferences at Global Hotkeys can you add something?
[20:36] <halpbatman> bioterror: so hey did you find anything on my problem?
[20:37] <szczur> rokyronnie, yes
[20:37] <rokyronnie> I don't understand why I can't configure mine
[20:38] <bioterror> szczur, are you cheating me and MOC with d34db33f?
[20:38] <szczur> first press add, and then choose the type of keybinding (click on the name)
[20:38] <szczur> bioterror, NEVER!
[20:38] <bioterror> halpbatman, still seeking something, but I've alwas had bad vibes against EFI ;)
[20:39] <rokyronnie> I press add, but every time, there is the same command
[20:39] <szczur> click on this command
[20:39] <halpbatman> lol
[20:39] <szczur> and choose the one you want
[20:39] <szczur> and then click on the right side and set the keybinding
[20:41] <bioterror> halpbatman, http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=836638
[20:42] <rokyronnie> http://s2.postimage.org/4b5yqsl80/Screenshot_1.jpg every time I click add, it add the same command
[20:42] <rokyronnie> is like that at you too?
[20:42] <szczur> rokyronnie, http://szczur.ath.cx/things/dead
[20:42] <szczur> there you have 3 screenshots
[20:42] <szczur> i hope they will clarify this
[20:43] <rokyronnie> what version do you have?
[20:43] <szczur> just click on the toggle after curent
[20:43] <szczur> then you will have dropdaown list with the commands
[20:43] <szczur> 0.4.4
[20:43] <rokyronnie> omg, thank you :))
[20:43] <rokyronnie> you made me laugh :D
[20:44] <halpbatman> bioterror: yeah i mean i knew i could just restarht and start from scratc
[20:44] <halpbatman> h
[20:44] <halpbatman> bioterror: i also have back up
[20:44] <halpbatman> bioterror: but i rather not go throught that if it's possible to fix it..
[20:44] <halpbatman> does anyone know how to configure grub?
[20:45] <bioterror> halpbatman, edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg ;)
[20:46] <halpbatman> bioterror: kk i'll look into it ty
[20:46] <MrChrisDruif> phillw: Do you know if I can delay the auto-joining in pidgin?
[20:46] <bioterror> halpbatman, you might want to check some mac forums
[21:11] <Lilbit> Running Meerkat dual-boot. Display shifts up when shut down or goes to sleep. I can fix by changing monitor settings then restoring, but that's annoying to say the least.
[21:14] <halpbatman> bioterror: hey i got it working
[21:14] <halpbatman> bioterror: thx for the help
[21:16] <bioterror> halpbatman, what did you do?
[21:17] <halpbatman> bioterror: so i held option key during boot up
[21:17] <halpbatman> bioterror: and it showed two partitions linux and os X correctly
[21:17] <halpbatman> bioterror: so grub didn't come up
[21:17] <halpbatman> bioterror: from there i logged on my mac
[21:17] <halpbatman> bioterror: made my mac target disk
[21:18] <halpbatman> bioterror: by default
[21:18] <halpbatman> bioterror: it works fine now
[21:18] <halpbatman> bioterror: by default boots up os X and i hold option key to boot linux
[21:18] <halpbatman> bioterror: which is what i wanted in the first place
[21:19] <bioterror> niiice
[21:21] <bioterror> one down, one to go
[21:21] <bioterror> oh, he left :D
[21:26] <halpbatman> lol
[21:26] <halpbatman> ur work is done
[21:29] <halpbatman> sudo apt-get install xcalib
[21:29] <halpbatman> lol sry
[21:32] <bioterror> !next
[21:32] <ubot2> Factoid 'next' not found
[21:32] <bioterror> :D
[22:12] <rokyronnie> bioterror, still here ? :D
[22:12] <bioterror> yep
[22:12] <bioterror> watching Oz
[22:12] <bioterror> :D
[22:12] <rokyronnie> uh :D
[22:12] <rokyronnie> I was watching Fringe
[22:12] <zkriesse> Fringe FTW
[22:13] <bioterror> since this marathon I dont have to watchi this again for a 10 years :D
[22:13] <rokyronnie> what is "FTW" ? :D
[22:13] <ibuclaw> He was a better actor in Darkwing Ducks.
[22:13] <zkriesse> For the Win
[22:13] <rokyronnie> oh
[22:13] <bioterror> or fcku the world ;)
[22:13] <ibuclaw> no wait.
[22:13] <ibuclaw> Mighty Ducks. =)
[22:13] <zkriesse> Ahaha bioterror
[22:13] <zkriesse> Ok, afk for now
[22:14] <rokyronnie> hei... don't you know if it's possible to do an Master volum over all? cause.. if I push volume up or down from my multimedia buttons on my keoboard, it moves just my front volume ( I have 5.1 )
[22:14] <bioterror> rokyronnie, open terminal and say "alsamixer" ;)
[22:14] <rokyronnie> I use OSS4
[22:14] <bioterror> oss :G
[22:15]  * bioterror goes back to lurking mode
[22:15] <rokyronnie> what is lurcking mode ? :P
[22:16] <bioterror> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lurker
[22:18] <rokyronnie> some one on a board told me that this is gonna help me http://www.opensound.com/wiki/index.php/Tips_And_Tricks#Using_multimedia_keys_with_OSS but I don't understand a word from that, I don't know what I need to do
[22:18] <rokyronnie> I guess I must create some files with those codes
[22:19] <bioterror> yep
[22:23] <rokyronnie> ok, I create them, and after that, where should I place them?
[22:24] <bioterror> maybe /usr/local/bin/ could be a nice place
[22:31] <rokyronnie> ok, I'll try that immediatly, now.. I've got some issues with Flash in Firefox, it runs very very hard, slow fps, can I do something to improve some performances?


[05:08] <wxl> marcoceppi: i also could use an unzip tool of some kind. i prefer unar, but your choice.
[05:17] <wxl> j
[05:17] <wxl> oops


[00:00] <ScottK> clivejo: quassel is updated in Debian, so someone can look at sync or merge.
[00:01] <clivejo> hi ScottK, are you on the launchpad project?
[00:04] <ScottK> For quassel?
[00:04] <ScottK> No.
[00:05] <ScottK> BTW, if you find stuff in the Ubuntu package we ought to have in Debian (i.e. you merge not sync), then please file bugs in Debian.
[00:05] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~quassel-dev
[00:06] <ScottK> That doesn't actually do anything.
[00:06] <clivejo> are you Scott Kitterman?
[00:06] <ScottK> I am.
[00:07] <ScottK> At one point we were considering using LP for upstream quassel translations.
[00:07] <ScottK> Note that the most recent branch is years old.
[00:07] <clivejo> I see
[00:08] <ScottK> Thanks for the pointer though.   I only see that packages in backport-landing don't evolve since one week :)
[09:56] <valorie> !ppa-purge
[09:56] <valorie> then add the backports-landing PPA
[09:57] <valorie> test, then remove that PPA
[09:57] <valorie> only purge it if you are having serious problems
[09:57] <valorie> if you decide to test, please come here and report your problems
[09:58] <valorie> totof-at-work: we don't have enough people doing packaging to get things done quickly these days
[09:58] <valorie> if you are interested in helping, please stick around
[09:58] <totof-at-work> I opened the bug 358359 that was fixed but it seems that the fix wasn't not included in 5.5.4 packages ? Anyone can confirm ?
[11:47] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:47] <clivejo> hi BluesKaj
[11:47] <soee> hiho BluesKaj
[11:48] <BluesKaj> Hey clivejo, soee, what's happening today?
[11:48] <clivejo> soee and BluesKaj would you guys testify for me?
[11:48] <clivejo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/~clivejo
[11:48] <BluesKaj> testify ?
[11:48] <clivejo> tell the world how great I am :P
[11:49] <clivejo> Im applying for Kubuntu membership
[11:49] <soee> clivejo: "I am ashamed to say, I was a Windoze user and was involved in beta testing Vista"
[11:49] <clivejo> and if you do, please use @SIG@ to sign it
[11:49] <soee> nothing to be ashamed - i say it is a big +
[11:50] <clivejo> I know, so very ashamed!
[11:50] <soee> valorie: ping
[11:51] <clivejo> Actually the first time I installed Linux I blew up my monitor :/
[11:51] <clivejo> Id got a Mandrake box set somewhere
[11:51] <clivejo> late 1990's
[11:53] <soee> ;D
[11:53] <soee> clivejo: whole wiki page looks good :)
[11:53] <clivejo> somehow jacked the refresh rate up and monitor couldnt handle it
[11:54] <soee> do not worry i saw article today that changing some date in ios (iphone) leads to phone destruction :D
[11:57] <soee> where do i define environment variables ?
[11:58] <clivejo> environment variables ?
[12:00] <soee> yes
[12:00] <clivejo> for what?
[12:00] <soee> ok i found something: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EnvironmentVariables
[12:00] <soee> clivejo: there is a bug in latest Nvidia driver and as a workaround (till next release) they suggesto to set one env variable
[12:00] <soee> __GLVND_DISALLOW_PATCHING=1
[12:00] <clivejo> ah
[12:01] <soee> so we have /etc/environment for a system wide variables
[14:10] <clivejo> sitter: whats up with KCI, there are 15 jobs stuck for about an hour and a half now
[14:15] <sgclark> it usually get stuck at launchpad being  unresposive. may want to look at the logs
[14:21] <sgclark> mm publication checks. maybe not
[14:25] <clivejo> hi sgclark
[14:25] <sgclark> hi
[14:25] <sitter> clivejo: launchpad slow to build I'd say
[14:26] <sgclark> the ones I looked at got past builds are fine, publication check
[14:26] <sgclark> is where they sit
[14:26] <clivejo> stuck in the mud, Ill get the tractor the tow them out
[14:27] <sitter> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/stable/+sourcepub/6064830/+listing-archive-extra
[14:27] <sitter> slow to publish actually
[14:27] <sgclark> ahh.
[14:27] <sitter> built an hour ago, still not published
[14:27]  * clivejo kicks LP
[14:27] <sgclark> got it, so yeah aunchpad is to blame
[14:28] <sitter> you might want to check in with wgrant though. an hour too publish is not normal
[15:08] <mgolden_> Question:
[15:09] <mgolden_> What is the testing plan for 16.04 ISOs?
[15:11] <BluesKaj> the plan is install and run it , then report any bugs :-)
[15:17] <BluesKaj> mgolden_, a lot depends on your hardware and their drivers and what packages you like to use and this is the release schedule,  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule
[15:18] <mgolden_> Right, when do I get to do that?
[15:18] <mgolden_> Just a question of planning my time...
[15:19] <mgolden_> I hadn't seen the schedule before.
[15:20] <BluesKaj> mgolden_, the best method id to install the daily build, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[15:20] <BluesKaj> id=is
[15:20] <mgolden_> Is kubuntu going to have a beta on 2/25?
[15:21] <BluesKaj> mgolden_, if that's what the schedule says then yes
[15:23] <mgolden_> Well, the schedule says "for opt-in flavors" which is the same thing it says for the Alphas, but there haven't been any alphas this time (to my knowledge)
[15:24] <BluesKaj> opt in flavors includes kubuntu if that's what you mean
[15:25] <allee> mgolden_: Hi Mitch, did you solve your 30 sec login problem?
[15:26] <mgolden_> Hi
[15:27] <mgolden_> allee_: Removing akonadi had no effect the first couple of times, but now it seems fast
[15:28] <mgolden_> BluesKaj: OK, I look forward to testing it.  I know there used to be alphas so I wasn't sure how it was going to go this time.
[15:30] <BluesKaj> the daily build is your best bet , that method brings alona all the latest fixes and packages, mgolden_
[15:31] <BluesKaj> along
[15:31] <BluesKaj> gawd  my spelling is awful today
[15:32] <mgolden_> BluesKaj: Will do.
[15:33] <mgolden_> Bye
[15:43] <sgclark> wgrant: we seem to have a bottleneck with publications on launchpad, mind taking a look?
[15:48] <sgclark> clivejo: the packages with epoch remove and rename need the changelog entry to match what debian did and you will need to rename the source tarball to match. it is so the two versions can coexist.
[15:49] <sgclark> not sure how we can handle the rename in our scripts though, yofel perhaps can do some magic there.
[15:50] <clivejo> sgclark: could we go through one together?
[15:50] <sgclark> I am here if you have questions
[15:52] <clivejo> I need to do it and see it, my brain works strangely
[15:53] <clivejo> sgclark: also would you testify for my kubuntu application if you get a few minutes? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/~clivejo
[15:53] <sgclark> you bet
[15:54] <clivejo> thanks
[15:54] <clivejo> aparently you sign it with  @SIG@
[15:55] <clivejo> if you have any tips on something to add or remove, please do let me know
[16:09] <clivejo> sgclark: what happens if debian changed the name a couple versions ago and we have released one in the mean time under the old name and epoch?
[16:11] <sgclark> rename is happening in debian merge. I would think it is fine. perhaps confirmation from yofel
[16:11] <sgclark> rename should make the epoch irrelevant..
[16:13] <sgclark> libkf5kdcraw successfully built which is the one I did
[16:13] <sgclark> still not publishing of course..
[16:15] <sgclark> anyway, I am moving forward, the farther we stray from debian the more unnecessary work for us.
[16:17] <clivejo> I done this one - https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-kdeapplications/+build/8984887
[16:17] <clivejo> builds ok, but not showing on QA
[16:19] <sgclark> clivejo: ah the packageset needs to be updated for that
[16:19] <clivejo> in KA?
[16:19] <sgclark> sadly I get denied when trying to commit to kubuntu-automation so yofel will have to I guess unless you have access..
[16:20] <clivejo> I should have access :/
[16:20] <clivejo> havent tried it recently
[16:20] <clivejo> shall I try?
[16:20] <sgclark> I don't but whatever
[16:22] <clivejo> edit applications-xenial?
[16:22] <sgclark> yup
[16:22] <sgclark> can you edit libkf5kdcraw while in there clivejo?
[16:22] <sgclark> well it was libkdcraw
[16:25] <clivejo> Ive just done libkf5kdcraw and libkf5sane
[16:25] <sgclark> thanks!
[16:25] <clivejo> see how qa reacts
[16:26] <clivejo> will debian rename the git too?
[16:26] <clivejo> qa is set on a cron sync every 10 mins isnt it?
[16:27] <sgclark> no clue on git, probably not if they have not done so already. 10 mins sounds about right.
[16:27] <clivejo> sgclark: are you pulling the KA from LP git?
[16:28] <sgclark> yeah I think so, is there another?
[16:28] <clivejo> they moved from bzr to git
[16:28] <sgclark> yeah I had access to bzr, but get denied on git
[16:29] <clivejo> https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+git/kubuntu-automation/
[16:29] <sgclark> I have the repo.. but get denied with git
[16:29] <sgclark> pushing
[16:29] <clivejo> strange
[16:32] <clivejo> sgclark: http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/applications/build_status_15.12.1_xenial.html
[16:33] <clivejo> libkf5sane is now showing, but not libkf5kdcraw
[16:35] <clivejo> ah, its not published and there is no previous version so its blank
[16:36] <clivejo> doesnt display
[16:36] <sgclark> yeah launchpad seems to be broken.
[16:36] <sgclark> Gonna go wear my KDE hat for awhile.
[16:37] <clivejo> KCI seems to be broken too!
[16:40] <clivejo> if its not debian git being slow, its launchpad!
[16:40] <clivejo> cant seem to catch a break!
[16:40] <sgclark> KCI is not broken, it is waiting on launchpad
[17:31] <yofel> sgclark, clivejo: yes, keep debian renames even if the rename version doesn't match
[17:32] <yofel> sgclark: and there's a source package name <=> upstream name map in the automation tools. And I think the watch files can also handle name mismatches
[17:32] <yofel> several maps actually, be careful there
[17:46] <sgclark> yofel: ok, but I cannot commit to automation git. access denied
[19:04] <clivejo> sgclark: there are a few packages which you uploaded for 15.12.1, but are showing as red on qa, do you want me to leave them for you to fix?
[19:04] <sgclark> if I had to guess it is pim
[19:05] <clivejo> ah gwenview seems to be deps
[19:05] <sgclark> if you want to fix them , I am totally ok with that
[19:05] <sgclark> yeah we still have a bunch of libs to be done
[19:05] <clivejo> I think thats the problem
[19:05] <clivejo> KF5Kipi
[19:05] <sgclark> distracted by KDE stuff atm though
[19:05] <clivejo> and KF5KDcraw
[19:06] <sgclark> mm that sould be ther
[19:06] <sgclark> etherre
[19:06] <sgclark> bah
[19:06] <clivejo> publisher is still playing up!
[19:06] <sgclark> well when kipi is  done it will need a rebuild
[19:08] <clivejo> I think Ill leave it until the publisher starts playing ball again
[19:08] <clivejo> its rather annoying
[19:08] <sgclark> I saw KCI stuff going by, should be good
[19:10] <clivejo> libkf5kdcraw started 3 hours ago and finished after 2mins, 34.6 seconds and its still not published!
[19:11] <sgclark> oh goodness
[19:11] <sgclark> guess that deems it still broken
[19:30] <sgclark> all of the failures are due to launchpad publishing taking 3+ hours... not actual build fails
[19:31] <sgclark> but then we are poor maintainers so meh
[21:16] <valorie> sorry for the late response, soee, but pong
[21:21] <clivejo> hi valorie
[21:21] <valorie> hi clive, how's it going
[21:22] <clivejo> great bar an S2 going crazy
[21:22] <valorie> you are IRCing fron a bar?
[21:22] <clivejo> nope
[21:23] <valorie> then I don't understand "great bar an S2 going crazy"
[21:23] <clivejo> trying to fix a Samsung Galaxy S2 that decided to go crazy
[21:23] <rww> s/bar/except for/
[21:23] <rww> does that help :3
[21:27] <sgclark> an S2 that is old?!?!
[21:27] <clivejo> yes
[21:27] <clivejo> I put CM13 on it and gave it to my mother
[21:27] <clivejo> two nights ago it had some kind of mental breakdown
[21:29] <valorie> ah, I give phone stuff to my "linux son" Thomas
[21:36] <clivejo> thats a bit of a mouth full
[21:37] <clivejo> I think Id go for just Tom :P
[21:48] <valorie> he was Tommy growing up, and wanted to go by Thomas when he got older
[21:48] <valorie> so I sort of go between the two
[21:48] <valorie> in general, I call people what they want to be called
[21:50] <clivejo> this phone has been through a format and a wipe
[21:50] <clivejo> yet it still have thumbs of peoples faces in .face
[21:51] <clivejo> thats crazy
[21:52] <clivejo> nearly 1Gb of them!
[21:55] <valorie> this is how they keep the crapware on phones, I would guess
[21:56] <clivejo> I installed a custom ROM
[21:56] <clivejo> but that really should have been deleted after a factory reset
[21:57] <clivejo> its amazing how much data can be recovered from a phone you think is wiped
[22:33] <soee> hi valorie, sorry for late response - my health is so bad today :/ i spent whole day i bed
[22:33] <soee> valorie: could you review wiki page with clivejo profile ?
[22:33] <valorie> oh gosh, get well soon soee
[22:33] <valorie> I'll look at it again, sure
[22:34] <soee> thank you
[22:34] <valorie> when you are going for membership?
[22:34] <valorie> soon I hope?
[22:34] <soee> clivejo: ^
[22:34] <clivejo> soee: I asked you to testify!
[22:35] <soee> i did, bt i trust valorie more than me when it comes to English :D
[22:35] <clivejo> I mean write a statement at the bottom
[22:35] <clivejo> saying how great you think I am :P
[22:36] <valorie> soee: you just login to the wiki, and then edit the page
[22:36] <clivejo> oh BTW valorie your signature is wrong
[22:36] <clivejo> needs to be  @SIG@
[22:36] <valorie> write what you want, sign it with @SIG@ and then preview before saving
[22:36] <soee> ahh.. i'll do it tomorrow i'm going to get some sleep now :(
[22:37] <valorie> yeah, I couldn't remember how to do that
[22:37]  * clivejo gives soee a dirty look
[22:37] <soee> cu tomorrow
[22:37] <clivejo> soee: you got man flu?
[22:45] <valorie> fixed it
[22:45] <clivejo> :)
[22:45] <valorie> I'll add the @SIG@ bit to our membership page, since it does not come up when searching for it with google (I did try)
[22:50] <clivejo> valorie: would you fix LP please??
[22:50] <valorie> heh
[22:50] <valorie> wgrant: any progress on relieving poor LP's constipation problem?
[22:51]  * valorie is willing to contribute Ex-Lax
[22:51] <clivejo> I wanted to do some work on apps 15.12.1
[22:54] <valorie> clivejo: I assume you can continue to package, even though there is a delay in publishing?
[22:55] <clivejo> not really, I like to make sure they a building properly
[22:56] <wgrant> valorie, clivejo: Sorry, was asleep. It should be catching up now.


[07:39] <dholbach> good morning
[11:18] <head_victim> dholbach: ping
[11:46] <dholbach> head_victim, pong
[11:47] <czajkowski> head_victim: moderated your email
[11:50] <head_victim> dholbach: ah was just going to get an opinion on it before sending and you were the last council member I saw talk anywhere :)
[11:50] <head_victim> czajkowski: cheers
[11:51] <head_victim> FIngers crossed we begin some forward motion on the topic.
[11:55] <dholbach> I'm in the middle of four other things right now, but I'll have a look later on
[11:56] <dholbach> thanks for pinging about it
[11:58] <head_victim> dholbach: no dramas, was thinking of having it proofed but now it's sent it's less urgent.
[11:58] <head_victim> Sorry it's taken a while to get it out there.
[11:58] <dholbach> no worries
[12:02] <czajkowski> nigelb: your mail is moderated
[12:03] <nigelb> czajkowski: Thanks :)
[12:03] <czajkowski> np
[12:04] <nigelb> czajkowski: Sorry about being late, its been a crazy week
[12:04] <czajkowski> np
[12:04] <bkerensa> dholbach: http://paste.ubuntu.com/817529/ =/
[12:05] <dholbach> bkerensa: I have none of these packages installed over here
[12:05] <bkerensa> hmm well I'm trying to login with unity but the option is no longer listed in the lighdm login screen
[12:06] <dholbach> the first one have been removed
[12:06] <dholbach> is the unity package installed?
[12:06] <dholbach> ah no, I'm sorry - indicator-appmenu I do have installed
[12:07] <dholbach> but indicator-applet and indicator-applet-complete seem to have been removed from precise
[12:08] <bkerensa> I have not uninstalled unity but its not showing oddly
[12:08] <bkerensa> :P
[12:08] <bkerensa> and when I try installing it gives me some nonsense about libindicator3-7 being uninstallable
[12:08] <bkerensa> Login options used to be Ubuntu and Ubuntu 2D plus Classic and Classic (No Effects) but when I went to try Unity today so I can see how HUD works I noticed Unity disappeared
[12:08] <dholbach> install it :)
[12:09] <dholbach> which mirror do you use?
[12:09] <popey> bkerensa: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^
[12:09] <popey> to make sure you're not missing anything
[12:09] <popey> (the caret is important)
[12:12] <bkerensa> popey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/817539/
[12:12] <bkerensa> no go =/
[12:13] <popey> bkerensa: apt-cache show unity
[12:14] <popey> bkerensa: also pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list
[12:14] <bkerensa> popey: Result http://paste.ubuntu.com/817540/
[12:14] <bkerensa> k
[12:15] <bkerensa> sources.list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/817542/
[12:15] <bkerensa> sources.list.d: http://paste.ubuntu.com/817543/
[12:16] <popey> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[12:16] <popey> shows the mirror you're using is probably outdated
[12:16] <popey> switch to a main mirror and update again
[12:17] <bkerensa> I see
[12:17] <popey> does it fail if you just "sudo apt-get install unity" ?
[12:20] <bkerensa> yes
[12:20] <popey> bummer
[12:21] <bkerensa> =o)
[12:22] <bkerensa> well 536 updates
[12:22] <bkerensa> just by changing mirrors
[12:22] <bkerensa> :D
[12:22] <bkerensa> Do mirror providers not have some sort of obligation to sync with main every so often?
[12:35] <s-fox> dholbach - I have sent you the forum stats for last year.
[12:35] <dholbach> s-fox, awesome, thanks muchly! :)
[12:36] <s-fox> July had a big surge on new registered users, but you'll see that yourself.
[12:37] <dholbach> maybe new people who tried out Ubuntu during the summer holidays :)
[12:37] <s-fox> Maybe, but the number of new threads didn't increase that much. :)
[12:38] <s-fox> Almost like they registered, but never did anything more.
[12:39] <dholbach> hm ok
[12:40] <s-fox> bit weird, haha ;)
[12:41] <s-fox> I am going to see if I can pull some details for those who registed. Perhaps we got hit by a bot creating accounts.
[12:41] <dholbach> sure, if it interests you - don't do it just for me - I feel like I asked for enough already :)
[12:42] <dholbach> I don't know how hard it is to do, but maybe there's a way to do a cleanup every now and then, let's say a user who didn't post anything after 6 months - maybe there's even a plugin for that
[12:43] <s-fox> I would seriously be against that, we have several known users who haven't posted in over a year but still do login to check threads / mails etc.
[12:44] <s-fox> I would add that having a "dormant" accounts doesn't really hurt us ;)
[12:44] <dholbach> ok
[12:44] <dholbach> :)
[14:08] <bkerensa>  Its like Pandora for cats
[15:15] <dholbach> WOW
[15:15] <dholbach> Heise writes about UDW: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Ubuntu-Developer-Week-fuer-Ubuntu-12-04-1422539.html
[15:15] <dholbach> now we'll get loads of Germans ;-)
[15:17] <bkerensa> awesome :D
[15:17] <dholbach> yeah, that's one of the biggest tech news sites in Germany
[15:17] <dholbach> I was a bit surprised
[15:17] <dholbach> but now we might even get the best out of it :)
[15:18] <bkerensa> We need some Russian developers
[15:18] <bkerensa> they are amazing at coding
[15:19] <dholbach> The H too: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Ubuntu-Developer-Week-for-12-04-Precise-Pangolin-announced-1422218.html
[15:26] <jcastro> Daviey: hey
[15:28] <Daviey> hey mr castro
[15:28] <Daviey> jcastro:
[15:28] <jcastro> Daviey: why does #ubuntu-cloud exist?
[15:28] <jcastro> it's not a trick question
[15:29] <jcastro> I just wonder why we keep splitting our communities into hairs
[15:30] <Daviey> jcastro: legacy
[15:30] <Daviey> jcastro: there was ALSO #ubuntu-virt a while ago.
[15:30] <Daviey> I'd be happy for #ubuntu-cloud to redirect to #ubuntu-server TBH
[15:30] <Daviey> #ubuntu-virt is now dead btw
[15:31] <jcastro> ok
[15:39] <jcastro> Daviey: ok so what do I do, just talk to ubuntu-irc?
[15:46] <Daviey> jcastro: hold fire.
[15:47] <Daviey> jcastro: i'll add it to the ubuntu-server teams agenda for discussion next meeting (tues)
[15:47]  * jcastro nods
[15:48] <popey> Lets have a meeting about it!
[15:48] <jcastro> popey: that's the difference between guys like us
[15:48] <Daviey> popey: hmm, maybe this falls into you remit?
[15:48] <jcastro> and Daviey. :)
[15:49] <Daviey> popey: slashing resources people use, is your job, right? ;)
[15:49] <jcastro> no one is using it
[15:49] <Daviey> it /does/ get used...
[15:49] <Daviey> (not by me.)
[15:51] <popey> pffft
[15:51] <popey> also
[15:51] <popey> I am trying to file a bug in bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website
[15:52] <popey> you are not helping! :D
[15:58] <JanC> http://coworking.betagroup.be/hosting-the-fosdem-participants/ --> if you know any Ubuntu developers/teams that want to sit together to work/discuss/etc. on Friday or Monday before/after FOSDEM...
[16:32] <jcastro> bkerensa: nice work on that dev update dude
[16:35] <bkerensa> jcastro: dholbach is a great teacher
[16:35] <bkerensa> :P
[16:35] <dholbach> nono, I'm not :)
[16:36] <dholbach> but it's definitely more fun writing those dev updates together
[16:37] <bkerensa> indeed
[16:37] <jcastro> do you guys etherpad?
[16:38] <bkerensa> dholbach: You are going to be at UDS?
[16:38] <bkerensa> jcastro: Google Docs
[16:40] <dholbach> bkerensa, yep
[16:41] <bkerensa> dholbach: Well I hope to go... Would be a good learning opp
[16:42] <dholbach> yeah
[16:47] <daker> jcastro, the link is wrong here http://cloud.ubuntu.com/2012/01/openstack-jenkins-dashboard-available-for-testing/
[16:48] <jcastro> yikes, ON IT
[16:49] <technoviking> dholbach: your thread should be sticky
[16:49]  * dholbach hugs technoviking
[16:49] <dholbach> sweet
[17:05] <bkerensa> dholbach: If while fixing a bug a fixer sees another bug can they fix both or should one open another bug report then fix both and submit patch?
[17:06] <dholbach> as you like it, really
[17:08] <bkerensa> ok
[17:28] <mhall119> jcastro: hangout invite sent
[17:32] <jcastro> dholbach: around?
[17:33] <dholbach> yes
[17:33] <jcastro> do you have a link to the first patch pilot email you ever sent?
[17:33] <jcastro> mhall would like to implement that for DX
[17:33] <jcastro> and we're looking for a template on how to yell at people
[17:33] <jcastro> I mean .... collaborate. :)
[17:34] <dholbach> I think it was Rick who mailed the whole team
[17:34] <dholbach> but afterwards I sent a "here's how it works mail"
[17:35] <jcastro> ah I see those now
[17:35] <jcastro> sending them to mhall
[17:35] <jcastro> thanks!
[17:35] <dholbach> de nada
[17:36] <dholbach> jcastro, you just forwarded a mail from myself to me? :)
[17:37] <jcastro> oops!
[17:38] <jcastro> I was forwarding all your work to mhall
[17:38] <mhall119> thanks dholbach
[17:38] <jcastro> so he can implement it for dx
[17:38] <dholbach> mhall119, de nada
[17:40] <dholbach> alright my friends
[17:41] <dholbach>  I call it a day - see you all tomorrow
[17:45]  * popey hugs dholbach
[17:47]  * dholbach hugs popey back
[18:02] <s-fox> Goodbye.
[18:11] <akgraner> jcastro - could you take a look at the syndication settings for cloud.u.c again - there is still non-ubuntu related stuff hitting the planet?
[18:12] <jcastro> WHAT
[18:12] <jcastro> I fixed that
[18:12] <jcastro> let me check
[18:12] <jcastro> oh
[18:12] <jcastro> I posted those
[18:12] <jcastro> the charm school one and the openstack one?
[18:12] <jcastro> I wrote those
[18:13] <pleia2> those are great, these ones are not:
[18:13] <jcastro> what you won't see are the company syndicated ones, etc.
[18:13] <akgraner> nope - http://www.cloudave.com/16853/next-iteration-of-paas-will-amazon-join-that-race/
[18:13] <pleia2> http://www.cloudave.com/16853/next-iteration-of-paas-will-amazon-join-that-race/
[18:13] <pleia2> http://gigaom.com/cloud/should-nosql-startups-be-afraid-of-dynamodb/
[18:13] <pleia2> http://www.cloudave.com/?guid=e5727405f6062ebb866e6a4b3f38d291
[18:13] <pleia2> ^^ those all hit the planet RSS feed this week
[18:13] <jcastro> right
[18:13] <jcastro> but I fixed that
[18:13] <pleia2> the last one ended up in the rss feed yesterday
[18:13] <jcastro> I just fixed that at scale
[18:14] <pleia2> the other two from "2 days ago"
[18:14] <jcastro> ah, ok well by default now on cloud.u.c we don't use the planet tag
[18:14] <pleia2> ok, I'll let you know if another one shows up
[18:14] <jcastro> I don't see them on planet right now
[18:14] <jcastro> and the oldest post goes to the 21st?
[18:15] <jcastro> did they initially show up and then disappear?
[18:15] <pleia2> the date of these articles is mostly the 20th, but they ended up in the RSS feed this week
[18:16] <jcastro> I think that was my fault, I told robbie to use a certain tag and it was misconfigured in the blog
[18:16] <jcastro> but I think on saturday I fixed it
[18:16] <jcastro> and I just posted guidelines to the cloud list
[18:16] <jcastro> so if it happens from now on it's either my fault or robbies.
[18:16] <jcastro> there should be no automated stuff going on
[18:16] <pleia2> ok, thanks for looking into it
[18:16] <jcastro> I shall endeavour to suck less
[18:17] <jcastro> theoretically the only ones you should see is the ones I post by hand, which are going to be ubuntu related.
[18:17] <jcastro> no more gigaom, etc. etc.
[18:18] <akgraner> jcastro, thank you!
[18:18] <jcastro> note that this is how I set it up last time
[18:18] <jcastro> and I failed.
[18:19] <jcastro> :)
[18:19] <jcastro> third time is a charm though, I can't fail this time!
[18:19] <akgraner> jcastro, you said "charm"  :-)
[18:20] <jcastro> hah that was totally on accident
[18:20] <akgraner> :-)
[19:25] <akgraner> jcastro - is there a wiki page for the super user information/goals etc
[19:26] <jcastro> superuser?
[19:26] <akgraner> yep that's it
[19:26] <jcastro> I don't get the question
[19:26] <akgraner> you know more that beginner user but not a developer
[19:27] <akgraner> I though there was an Ubuntu Superuser group effort or something like that?
[19:27] <akgraner> maybe I am making that up?
[19:27] <jcastro> oh
[19:27] <jcastro> poweruser thing?
[19:27] <jcastro> yeah there's a mailing list
[19:28] <akgraner> ahh that's it - /me needs caffeine it seems
[19:34]  * balloons is listening
[19:36] <akgraner> jcastro, thanks
[19:37] <akgraner> mhall119, do you have a list of all the current lenses available Unity  or know where I can find the list?
[19:37] <mhall119> akgraner: I have a list, not sure if it's all
[19:37] <akgraner> I hear you are the lense knowledge base :-)
[19:38] <akgraner> mhall119, would you mind sharing it with me - we are starting work on the 7th edition of the official Ubuntu Book
[19:38] <mhall119> akgraner: you should have a google docs invite
[19:39] <akgraner> thank you!
[19:39] <mhall119> np
[19:39] <mhall119> it's not all of them, but it's what I managed to find
[19:39] <mhall119> I was working on sorting and categorizing them for a blog post
[19:39] <akgraner> This is awesome!  Thank you so much.
[19:39] <mhall119> :)
[19:40] <mhall119> akgraner: if you end up sorting/categorizing, let me know and I'll help (as long as I can turn around and blog it)
[19:40] <akgraner> of course :-)
[19:40] <mhall119> akgraner: also, we're putting together a set of guidelines for "When to make a new lens, and when to reuse one"
[19:40] <mhall119> it should hopefully be done this weekend
[19:41] <mhall119> if that would be of interest
[19:41] <akgraner> great!
[19:41] <akgraner> oh yes
[19:42] <mhall119> akgraner: slightly related, but lenses will also work on Ubuntu TV (once it's developed enough to support them)
[19:42] <mhall119> as in, the same lenses made for the desktop will be installable on TV
[19:43] <akgraner> nice
[19:43] <akgraner> yeah we should have a demo of Ubuntu TV on a pandaboard at Connect next month I can't wait to see it
[19:44] <mhall119> sweet, too bad I won't be there to see it
[19:44] <mhall119> akgraner: does Linaro support Rasberry PI? do you know?
[19:46] <akgraner> not using the current toolchain Ubuntu and Linaro are on ARM v7 and Raspberry PI is ARM v4 I think - you need to go back to a Maverick build for that
[19:48] <popey> bug 848154
[19:48] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 848154 in ubuntu "ARM version not supporting V6 RaspPi" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/848154
[19:49] <akgraner> thanks popey - I new the ARM versions were different
[19:49] <akgraner> knew even :-/
[19:49] <mhall119> that's what I thought, but I keep seeing articles about RP being able to run Ubuntu
[19:49] <popey> yeah, lies
[19:49] <akgraner> just drop back to Maverick :-)
[19:49] <mhall119> glad it wasn't me that was mistaken, just a bunch of widely read articles on the internet
[19:50] <popey> unfortunately they reported early on in development that they could use ubuntu
[19:50] <popey> and that fact stuck
[19:50] <mhall119> ah, I see now
[19:51] <akgraner> mhall119, however, let me see what our guys are saying about it and I'll get back to you.
[19:52] <AlanBell> mhall119: they are a nice bunch the raspberry pi people
[19:52] <mhall119> akgraner: all I hear from your guys is "Enhance Summit"
[19:53] <mhall119> and then "Change it back!"
[19:53] <akgraner> mhall119, :-)
[19:53] <mhall119> akgraner: I don't suppose they've roped you into managing connect scheduling yet have they?
[19:54] <AlanBell> mhall119: I thought most of the articles were fixed, I certainly spoke to them really early on and got them to stop saying it would support ubuntu
[19:54] <mhall119> AlanBell: I never went back and checked, I just remember seeign it said and that causing my confusion
[19:54] <akgraner> mhall119, um no!
[19:55] <mhall119> heh
[19:55] <Pendulum> akgraner: how many people have you paid so that you don't have to manage the connect schedule?
[19:55] <mhall119> btw, if you know of any lenses/scopes not on my list, would you mind adding them to that doc?
[19:55] <akgraner> will do
[19:55] <mhall119> thanks
[19:57] <akgraner> Pendulum, :-) I'll never tell.
[20:02] <mhall119> Pendulum: probably just cjohnston
[20:07] <akgraner> mhall119, debian still has an armv5-targeted port - if you want to pop into #linaro if you need more info or explanations :-)
[20:08] <jono> mhall119, how is the Sumo report going
[20:08] <jono> will you be ready for our call tomorrow?
[20:08] <jono> remember, this needs to be something we can give to the web team
[20:08] <mhall119> jono: I'm putting it together today, it should be ready
[20:08] <jono> thanks
[20:09] <mhall119> jono: the isd web team? or the ubuntu.com team?
[20:09] <jono> mhall119, the ubuntu.com team
[20:09] <jono> I talked to Peter the other day about this
[20:09] <jono> taking off back to my day off
[20:09] <mhall119> ok, so a lot of the technologies used are alternatives to what's commonly found in ubuntu
[20:33] <jcastro> jono: ok so in my last review I totally missed a blueprint, mine should be set now
[20:33] <jono> jcastro, thanks
[20:34] <jcastro> I don't get why fixing oxton's wouldn't have plunked the graph, he had like 14 outstanding ones
[20:35] <jcastro> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/u/johnoxton.html
[20:35] <jcastro> that should have made a dent
[20:39] <balloons> anyone know what version of moinmoin the ubuntu wiki is on? and how can I get the cool WYSISYG editor they have?
[20:39] <jcastro> balloons: investigate editmoin
[20:39] <jcastro> it lets you open a wiki page in whatever editor you have
[20:40] <jcastro> and then when you save it pushes it back to moin
[20:40] <jcastro> it's like the only way to fly and remain sane
[20:40] <balloons> lol
[20:40] <balloons> but look at this: http://moinmo.in/4ct10n/edit/WikiSandBox?action=edit&editor=gui
[20:40] <balloons> why don't we have it?
[20:41] <balloons> pretty slick, move back and forth between text and gui edit mode.. anyways, thanks for the tip.. I'll look @ editmon
[20:42] <jcastro> "why don't we have it?"
[20:42] <jcastro> you must be new here. :)
[20:43] <jcastro> don't worry, mhall119 is going to fix all our problems
[20:44] <mhall119> lies
[20:44]  * balloons thanks mhall119 for being an allstar
[20:44] <balloons> it's like mhall119 don't care, he gonna replace that wiki with sumo
[20:44] <mhall119> which is also a wiki
[20:45] <mhall119> only with mediawiki markup, not moin
[20:45]  * balloons would love mediawiki
[20:46] <balloons> editmoin is pretty funny.. I mean, why be stuck with the browser text box when you can use vi!
[20:47] <mhall119> balloons: have you ever used bitbucket?
[20:48] <balloons> rofl, i'm going to use the sandbox gui editor and then copy the source back to our wiki
[20:48] <balloons> methinks that should work out
[20:48] <mhall119> I want to bzr branch http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Article/ and work on it offline
[20:48] <mhall119> then bzr push my edits
[20:49] <balloons> ohh yea
[20:49] <balloons> i have an unhealthy disdain for atlassian
[20:50] <balloons> and jira..pretty sure I'm the only person in the world who doesn't like jira and finds it painfully annoying
[20:50] <bkerensa> mhall119: PopVox + Lens = Win :P
[20:50] <balloons> however, that's a good idea to work on stuff offline mhall119..
[20:50] <balloons> you could selfhost your git repo tho on your ec2 box..
[21:32] <mhall119> bitbucket is awesome, atlassian bought them a year or so ago
[21:36] <AlanBell> balloons: we have moin 1.9
[21:37] <AlanBell> the reason it is slow and we don't have good plugins is because the people who control the servers don't use the wiki
[21:37] <balloons> AlanBell, thank you. So the gui editor I showed is in the build we're using...
[21:37] <AlanBell> same reason the theme doesn't render table borders and has other unfixed bugs
[21:41] <balloons> mmm sad
[21:42] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemInfo
[21:44] <AlanBell> also http://blog.vinceliu.com/2009/02/reanabling-fckeditor-for-moinmoin-wiki.html
[21:54] <balloons> ohh.. pretty http://ckeditor.com/
[21:54] <AlanBell> balloons: the moin theme is here https://code.launchpad.net/canonical-webmonkeys
[21:54] <AlanBell> yeah, ckeditor is nice
[21:55] <AlanBell> the moin theme was in ubuntu-website, but got sucked into canonical-webmonkeys and they started making changes in production without going through bzr and I couldn't contribute fixes any more
[22:31] <balloons> thanks for the info AlanBell


[10:34] <Odd_Bloke> https://launchpad.net/~daniel-thewatkins/+livefs/ubuntu/wily/cpc/+build/39160 just 'Failed to build' without giving me a buildlog; can anyone see what happened?
[10:35] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: wgrant: ^?
[10:35] <wgrant> Let me see.
[10:35] <Odd_Bloke> Cheers.
[10:36] <wgrant> 2015-09-29 10:30:20+0000 [-] Failure: twisted.internet.defer.CancelledError:
[10:36] <wgrant> 2015-09-29 10:30:20+0000 [-]
[10:36] <wgrant> 2015-09-29 10:30:20+0000 [-] Judged builder lgw01-53 (1 failures) with job LIVEFSBUILD-39160 (4 failures): None, False
[10:36] <wgrant> CancelledError == TCP timeout
[10:37] <wgrant> And it did it four times.
[10:37] <wgrant> You seem to be causing the buildds some serious grief.
[10:37] <wgrant> Are you OOMing or something, possibly?
[10:37] <wgrant> There is no general fault; that build is the only one to hit such timeouts in recent hours.
[10:37] <Odd_Bloke> Yeah, that's possible.
[10:40] <Odd_Bloke> wgrant: Might I see a similar error if I was running out of disk space, or would that still get a build log back?
[10:43] <Odd_Bloke> wgrant: Also, is there any harm in doing these builds (with minor modifications for debugging)?
[10:45] <wgrant> Odd_Bloke: It's fine, the builder VMs are automatically restarted on failure.
[10:45] <wgrant> Odd_Bloke: Disk exhaustion would not cause this.
[10:46] <Odd_Bloke> Okie doke.
[11:07] <cjwatson> Disk exhaustion can cause other problems that you might not be able to distinguish from this, though.
[11:08] <cjwatson> I have some patches lying around somewhere to improve launchpad-buildd's resilience to ENOSPC, but never got round to working out how to test them.
[11:08] <cjwatson> It wouldn't cause a TCP timeout, but it could certainly cause launchpad-buildd to crash.
[11:14] <wgrant> Right, it could cause another "Failed to build" with no log, but AFAIK it wouldn't cause the CancelledError that we see in buildd-manager logs.
[11:27] <Odd_Bloke> Is https://launchpad.net/~daniel-thewatkins/+livefs/ubuntu/wily/cpc/+build/39163 stuck in some way I can't see?  It's taking a lot longer than it normally would...
[12:22] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: wgrant: ^ any ideas?
[12:23] <cjwatson> I don't have any magic way to tell.
[12:24] <cjwatson> I suggest cancelling it and seeing if you can divine anything from the log afterwards.
[12:24] <cjwatson> There might be something unflushed in the log.
[12:24] <Odd_Bloke> Done/doing.
[13:12] <cjwatson> Odd_Bloke: Hm, not clear, is it?  I wonder if there's still some kind of race with loop0p1 creation, though I can't imagine what.  Is it repeatable?
[13:13] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: I think so; this is using GPT partition tables which is the difference from before.
[13:14] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: The '[ ! -b /dev/mapper/loop0p1 ]' should catch the race condition now.
[13:18] <Odd_Bloke> https://launchpad.net/~daniel-thewatkins/+livefs/ubuntu/wily/cpc/+build/39164 was exhibiting the same behaviour, but hasn't ended up with a log.
[13:20] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: I might try omitting the dd and see if we have something that looks like a sensibly empty disk image at the other end.


[02:53] <dany197666666> hlp
[02:53] <dany197666666> help
[02:53] <dany197666666> pls~
[02:56] <sladen> dany197666666: we would need to know the question first
[02:57] <dany197666666> i have RTL8187SE
[02:57] <dany197666666>  em wind its ok
[02:57] <dany197666666>  but here im weak segnal
[03:10] <sladen> dany197666666: is there a problem with the wifi connection?
[03:11] <dany197666666> signal
[03:15] <sladen> dany197666666: try moving slightly, or moving the machine closer to the access point
[03:15] <sladen> dany197666666: or adjusting the antenna direction
[03:15] <dany197666666> lol
[03:16] <dany197666666> in wind e ok
[03:16] <dany197666666> but here its weak
[03:22] <sladen> dany197666666: wind doesn't normally affect wifi signals, just moisture in the air can, and so can other sources of interference ... like microwave ovens
[03:35] <dany197666666> its de same place
[12:11] <jamespage> pitti: scratching and itch - http://paste.ubuntu.com/26169731/ - does that look reasonable?
[12:11] <jamespage> and what's the best way of getting that into the autopkgtest infra?
[12:11] <jamespage> and/an
[12:11] <jamespage> fingers ran away from me...
[12:19] <pitti> jamespage: not sure any more, but I think we just run autodep8 from git; so best to file it as a Debian bug, Antonio is pretty quick in applying them
[12:19] <pitti> then ask Laney to pull and re-deploy
[12:19] <jamespage> pitti: ok will do
[12:22] <jamespage> cjwatson: thanks for doing those allocations so quickly :)
[12:23] <cjwatson> np
[12:29] <TJ-> cjwatson: could you possibly provide some feedback (assuming you're still involved with the Debian package) at some point for my proposed patch for Bug #1737604
[12:41] <cjwatson> TJ-: wow, that's profoundly unpleasant, but perhaps it's required.  Could you also please handle escaping inside double quotes correctly?  The syntax docs are https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/grub.html#Quoting
[12:41] <cjwatson> (we probably can't handle expansions there, but could at least manage escaping)
[12:42] <cjwatson> TJ-: also it might be worth using   printf %s "$title_raw"   rather than   echo "$title_raw", for a bit more safety against e.g. titles that start with a "-" inside the delimiters
[12:43] <juliank> Ugh: /var/lib/docker/nuke-graph-directory.sh: 64: /var/lib/docker/nuke-graph-directory.sh: shopt: not found
[12:45] <juliank> ah bug 1724353
[12:46] <cjwatson> TJ-: and ... I'm a bit confused by $1 being used in some places and $line in others, and it makes me wonder: I know that menuentry is documented such that the title is always the first arg, but is that actually required?  the old code seems to tolerate it coming later
[12:50] <juliank> So, can I use sbuild with lxd via the autopkgtest stuff?
[13:00] <TJ-> cjwatson: thanks, I'll look at that. I got slightly lost inside those sed expressions and focused on the single-quote one.  I used 'echo' because the original code did. I used $1 since the parent code had already shifted the arguments but it can use $line without issues too, I think.
[13:10] <TJ-> cjwatson: re: menuentry 'title' order... I assumed from looking at both forms of the sed expressions that the unwritten assumption is that there will only be one pair of quote marks so it's OK to capture anything between first and last quote
[13:11] <cjwatson> TJ-: Right, but you're using $1 and thus assuming that the title will come first.
[13:15] <TJ-> cjwatson: Yes, based on the docs which show 'title' as a non-option first arg of menuentry.
[13:15] <cjwatson> TJ-: Right.  As I said above, I know that the docs say that but it is not entirely clear to me that that's enforced; if it's not, then there may be config files in the wild with a different ordering.  Needs checking.
[13:16] <TJ-> cjwatson: right, so it might be safer to locate the first ' or " ?
[13:17] <cjwatson> TJ-: Yeah
[13:17] <TJ-> cjwatson: but if it's out of order that wouldn't help either :s
[13:17] <cjwatson> It'd be no worse than what's there now, at least?
[13:17] <TJ-> cjwatson: currently " beats ' anyhow
[13:18] <cjwatson> s/.*\(['"]\).*/\1/  or some such
[13:18] <cjwatson> with the usual unpleasant quoting
[13:18] <TJ-> cjwatson: I was trying to ensure both have an equal chance of being used first :)
[13:18] <cjwatson> er except that first .* will be greedy
[13:18] <cjwatson> s/[^'"]*\(['"]\).*/\1/
[13:19] <TJ-> yes, the lack of a non-greedy operator for sed is often frustrating
[13:19] <cjwatson> I don't think it's possible to do much better than that without a full parser
[13:20] <TJ-> cjwatson: What I'll do is create some test-cases with all the permutations I can think of and modify it so it can deal with them all, hopefully without complicating it too much more!
[13:21] <cjwatson> sounds good.  maybe at some point I'll have time to get further with my rewrite of os-prober
[13:24] <TJ-> cjwatson: I think title has to be first: grub-core/commands/menuentry.c::grub_normal_add_menu_entry() => menu_title = grub_strdup (args[0]);
[13:30] <cjwatson> TJ-: But that is after option parsing, which may rearrange things.
[13:31] <TJ-> cjwatson: Glad you're the grub master, not me!
[13:32] <cjwatson> Not really any more, but I remember a few things :-)
[13:34] <TJ-> cjwatson: although I can't think of a way in which the title could be elsewhere and still get passed as the first arg to that function :) title has to come before {command;...}, and the --options are separated into their own pointers/arrays
[13:35] <TJ-> cjwatson: thanks for the feedback; I'll get those tests created and then modify the code as required
[13:37] <cjwatson> TJ-: I'm pretty sure that title could come after the options and still work.  The arg parser will parse out the options and remove them from the resulting args array.
[13:37] <cjwatson> But you can try it.
[13:38] <TJ-> cjwatson: I will :)
[16:13] <tsimonq2> xnox: I'm currently prepping Qt 5.9.3 in Bileto, would you like me to grab Fedora's OpenSSL 1.1 support patch and include it with the transition?
[16:14] <tsimonq2> xnox: I'd just need help with testing it works, as I'm not familiar with OpenSSL.
[16:48] <juliank> I don't entirely understand why I should add root:1000:1 to /etc/subuid when I want to remap my uid to the same in an lxd container as https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/12/08/mounting-your-home-directory-in-lxd/ says - it works fine without?
[17:10] <xnox> tsimonq2, no, please don't.
[17:10] <xnox> tsimonq2, we do not have openssl1.1 in the archive, and probably will not have it soon. Compared with others, we can consider qt done already, despite it being unpatched in the archive.
[17:22] <teward> hmm... I think Quilt is fubar... somehow.  The system says that there's new unhandled changes in the source code... but it's as a result of Quilt patching.... not sure how to fix the issue.
[17:36] <rbasak> jbicha: OOI, any particular reason you're syncing mongodb 3.4 from experimental? I'm looking at the mongodb package from a Juju perspective, so wanted to understand the current needs for that package before making any recommendations.
[17:37] <jbicha> rbasak: I synced it from experimental for LP: #1595242, maybe you should ask the Debian maintainer what's keeping it from unstable
[17:38] <rbasak> Ah. THanks!
[17:38] <rbasak> balloons: ^
[17:44] <rbasak> jbicha: also, just to be clear, you have no other specific use case apart from general archive maintenance?
[17:44] <jbicha> right, I don't use mongodb
[17:44] <rbasak> Eg. there's a request for mongodb 3.6, which is released upstream but not in Debian.
[17:45] <rbasak> OK, thanks. So I don't need to involve you in that conversation then?
[17:45] <rbasak> I'll file in Debian BTS.
[17:45] <jbicha> yeah, 3.6 looks like it would be good for 18.04 LTS: https://www.mongodb.com/support-policy
[17:49] <balloons> rbasak, gotcha
[17:50] <balloons> rbasak, note the upstream arch support is present in 3.4, so that version does work, assuming we can support it, etc
[17:51] <rbasak> balloons: OK. So we don't actually need 3.6?
[17:53] <balloons> rbasak, no, it's not a hard requirement; as John noted 3.4 actually had the arch support that was a driver. 3.6 is still a nice to have and may be easier to support, but not required
[17:53] <balloons> it has more implications for juju as well; more changes
[17:55] <rbasak> OK thanks
[18:09] <balloons> rbasak, we spoke about having the js engine be enabled / disabled as part of the package, as well as having the service start or not. Do you have a handle on the work required to tweak the existing 3.4 package to do this?
[18:30] <rbasak> balloons: JS engine tweak should be relatively easy, but I think that's unacceptable for the generic mongodb package.
[18:32] <rbasak> balloons: not having the service start: ideally you'd split the package like we did in MySQL. Not much effort but it is a pain to maintain a delta. I don't know if the Debian maintainers would take it.
[18:33] <rbasak> You could use policy-rc.d to override, but if Juju doesn't "own" the system and has other tenants, that might break some user expectations. But the policy-rc.d mechanism, assuming the package isn't buggy, should be quite straightforward to implement in Juju.
[20:13] <mwhudson> morning
[20:56] <tsimonq2> xnox: ack
[20:56] <tsimonq2> Morning mwhudson :)
[22:48] <dax> jbicha: i happened to be talking about xchat-gnome elsewhere and noticed your bug report from 10 minutes ago
[22:49] <dax> jbicha: as someone without any dev insight at all... i don't know why ubuntu still has that package at all
[22:49] <dax> afaict its main accomplishment seems to be confusing users into using an irc client with no bugfixes since 2014 instead of, say, hexchat
[22:50] <jbicha> well, seb128 uses xchat-gnome 🤷
[22:50] <dax> oh is that who's keeping it alive
[22:50] <jbicha> I don't think I would go that far…
[22:51] <jbicha> xchat-gnome at least uses gtk3 https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat/issues/2047
[22:53] <dax> oh, i lie, it's getting bugfixes, the date part of the version string just isn't being changed
[22:54] <dax> (i assume because changes are getting picked and backported)
[22:55] <mdeslaur> I've been fixing it also, until it got removed and forcing me to switch to hexchat
[22:55] <mdeslaur> but I'll probably be switching back since it's gtk3
[22:55] <dax> does it have sasl or any of the other various important changes from hexchat?
[22:55] <dax> 'cause it didn't last time i looked, and this was saddening
[22:57] <mdeslaur> the codebase is pretty similar, so it should be relatively trivial to fix that if it doesn't
[22:57] <RAOF> jbicha: If you would very kindly upload colord-gtk to Debian that would be a kindness.
[22:57] <mdeslaur> I'd rather hexchat switch to gtk3 though
[22:57] <dax> same
[23:05] <jbicha> RAOF: can I bump its debhelper compat to 10 first?
[23:05] <RAOF> jbicha: Sure. I was going to do that myself, but then decided that I didn't need any of the changes.
[23:07] <RAOF> I guess with compat level 10 we could drop the autoreconf sequence from the `dh` invocation.
[23:07] <jbicha> RAOF: all done
[23:07] <RAOF> Rad.
[23:08] <RAOF> I might see if I can trouble you to upload a new colord later, as well, but colord-gtk ended up taking longer than I thought :)