[11:24] <mup> PR operator#588 opened: Make Container.restart() semantics operate more like system services <Created by rbarry82> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/588>
[21:06] <mup> Issue operator#589 opened: add "is_running(service)" to Container <Created by sed-i> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/589>
[21:12] <mup> PR operator#588 closed: Make Container.restart() semantics operate more like system services <Created by rbarry82> <Merged by rbarry82> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/588>
[21:44] <mup> PR operator#590 opened: Fix Container.restart() accidentally operating on strings, add a testcase <Created by rbarry82> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/590>


[00:08] <pleia2> Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 353 for the week January 27 - February 2, 2014 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue353
[00:40] <pleia2> ok, new askubuntu script is up
[04:26] <gonyere> cool!


[08:48] <praisethemoon> good morning
[08:56] <pavlushka> .grab praisethemoon
[08:56] <u-la-la> quote added: <praisethemoon> good morning
[08:56] <praisethemoon> ohayo pavlushka
[08:57] <pavlushka> Hello praisethemoon :)
[08:57] <praisethemoon> how are you today?
[08:58] <pavlushka> praisethemoon: good and tired :)
[08:58] <praisethemoon> aww
[08:58] <praisethemoon> x)
[08:58] <praisethemoon> what time is it there?
[09:06] <Dro> .grab pavlushka
[09:06] <u-la-la> quote added: <pavlushka> praisethemoon: good and tired :)
[09:06] <Dro> bjr
[09:07] <praisethemoon> bonjour Dro
[09:07] <Dro> kayfa l7al
[09:18] <praisethemoon> terribly good
[09:18] <praisethemoon> guess i caught cold
[09:19] <praisethemoon> :(
[09:40] <Dro> lol
[09:44] <plof> Dro:
[09:44] <Dro> plof:
[09:45] <plof> Dro: Is your laptop slow?
[09:45] <Dro> plof, no why?
[09:45] <plof> Because it is old.
[09:45] <Dro> lol
[09:46] <Dro> aha a windows guy here! :D
[09:46] <Dro> plof, anyway it don't seem to be older than yours
[09:46] <plof> Dro: Yes :D
[09:48] <plof> Dro: Windows is free software when you know how to read binary blobs like Neo xD
[09:52] <Dro> hmmmm
[13:00] <fwhcat> yo
[13:01] <fwhcat> Hey praisethemoon
[15:13] <davlefou> Bonjour, cela va les gars?
[16:01] <Dro> bonjour davlefou , ça roule et toi ? :)
[16:11] <davlefou> Je vais bien.
[16:11] <davlefou> mais internet fais la samba!
[16:20] <Dro> lol
[16:23] <davlefou> Bof...
[16:23] <fwhcat> Salut a tous
[16:29] <davlefou> fwhcat, Bonjour,
[16:33] <Dro> fwhcat, salut à toi! :D
[16:41] <fwhcat> Comment allez-vous ?
[16:41] <fwhcat> salut praisethemoon :)
[16:42] <praisethemoon> yoo fwhcat !
[16:42] <praisethemoon> Long time no see :]
[16:42] <praisethemoon> How are you?
[16:48] <fwhcat> I'm great
[16:49] <fwhcat> And you ?
[16:49] <elacheche> Anyone upgraded to Ubuntu 17.04 yet?
[16:50] <fwhcat> Not yet. Still using the 16.04 lts
[16:50] <fwhcat> (on my server)
[16:51] <elacheche> I won't recommand upgrading servers to a non-LTS version.. Desktops maybe.. Personnal ones at least
[16:52]  * praisethemoon switched to ubuntugnome
[16:52] <praisethemoon> #gnome_life
[16:52] <fwhcat> Yeah, you better migrate directly to it :)
[16:52] <fwhcat> or install another distro like ArchLinux :D
[16:56] <elacheche> praisethemoon: I'm happy for you :) You finally understand that KDE is no good for health :p
[16:56] <praisethemoon> no kde is life
[16:57] <praisethemoon> i just have hardware trouble with my nvidia gpu
[16:57] <praisethemoon> x)
[16:57] <elacheche> You could"ve wait for Ubuntu 18.04 praisethemoon :) It'll be shipped with Gnome.. And probably the Ubuntu Gome project will be dead by then..
[16:57] <fwhcat> dead ?
[16:57] <fwhcat> how so ?
[16:58] <fwhcat> You think they'll all leave and go to KDE / Plasma ? :D
[16:58] <praisethemoon> fwhcat, u didn't hear the news?
[16:58] <praisethemoon> bye bye unity
[16:58] <elacheche> Ubuntu will uses Gnome as default, so I guess that the Ubuntu GNOME project will be merged to the Ubuntu upstream, and as the official release is Gnome based, there is no need for a Ubuntu Gnome Remix!!
[16:59] <fwhcat> Oh sorry. You said "Ubuntu gnome" I thought you meant Gnome will be dead by then xDDDD
[16:59] <elacheche> x)
[17:00] <elacheche> Nah! For the next 5, maybe 10 or 15 years, Gnome will be the leader.. Unless the Yunit guys manage to port it to Wayland and manage to get back users
[17:01] <fwhcat> I'm using Plasma right now.
[17:01] <fwhcat> Don't even know if it uses Wayland or Xorg or both xD
[17:01] <elacheche> Ubuntu?
[17:01] <fwhcat> Nope. Arch.
[17:01] <fwhcat> and testing repository activated
[17:01] <fwhcat> It works like a charm
[17:02] <elacheche> 98% it's Xorg
[17:02] <fwhcat> 4.10.10-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Apr 12 18:50:28 CEST 2017 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:02] <elacheche> Did you ever installed Wayland?
[17:02] <fwhcat> It installed with Gnome yes
[17:02] <elacheche> Oh!
[17:03] <fwhcat> but then I installed Plasma and I don't use gnome anymore
[17:03] <elacheche> I have no idea then :D
[17:03] <praisethemoon> elacheche, remember our day with linux-mint?
[17:03] <elacheche> praisethemoon: when was that?
[17:03] <fwhcat> I used Linux Mint... in 2008/2009
[17:03] <praisethemoon> i meant fwhcat
[17:03] <praisethemoon> XDDDD
[17:03]  * elacheche BRB.. Time to go home x(
[17:03] <fwhcat> K cya.
[17:03] <fwhcat> hahaha praisethemoon
[17:03] <elacheche> See you in an hour or so..
[17:04] <praisethemoon> alrught see ya x)
[17:04] <fwhcat> yeah well I remember Mint experience
[17:04] <fwhcat> It was quite pleasant actually.
[17:04] <fwhcat> (coming from Ubuntu)
[17:04] <fwhcat> Maybe just.... to much UI and not enough Terminal stuff :P
[17:04] <praisethemoon> Wait
[17:05] <praisethemoon> we were not friends back then
[17:05] <praisethemoon> or were we?
[17:05] <fwhcat> We were.
[17:05] <fwhcat> Don't you remember we played MTA 0.5 together on Vice City ?
[17:05] <praisethemoon> exactly
[17:05] <praisethemoon> xD
[17:06] <praisethemoon> i recall we had huge impact on mint IR
[17:06] <praisethemoon> IRC
[17:06] <praisethemoon> we were always there
[17:06] <fwhcat> Forgot that irc part.
[17:06] <fwhcat> Sorry.
[17:07] <fwhcat> I experience some memory troubles (too much cleaning and keeping most important stuff) xDDD
[17:07] <fwhcat> I know by heart LXC and docker commands
[17:07] <fwhcat> but forgot that Mint IRC. See ? xD
[17:08] <praisethemoon> x)
[17:57] <elacheche> o/


[01:01] <lynorian> I don't know if it was ever set up
 Simon closed the issue to do so
[01:37] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T122: New Manual URL Design] wxl (Walter Lapchynski) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T122#2882
[01:40] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T122: New Manual URL Design] teward (Thomas Ward) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T122#2883
[01:41] <teward> ... i need to learn how to silence that notice >.>
[01:41] <teward> wxl wxl23 give me the valid links
[01:41] <teward> i'll set up the redirects accordingly
[01:41] <teward> don't give me the info, can't act on it :P
 Uh I'm not sure what you're asking
[01:45] <teward> wxl23: all i see on the ticket and in here is "this link 404s"
[01:45] <teward> i need to know what you want it to POINT to to become a valid link :P
[01:45] <teward> if it's just supposed to work as is
[01:45] <teward> as in the files exist already
[01:45] <teward> then i did nothing to break it :P
[01:46] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALdfc3a95ceaa9: Fix Wording] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALdfc3a95ceaa9
 @wxl [<wxl> @lynorian @tsimonq2 it seems manual.l.m/lts is a 404. did we miss somethin …], We don't have an LTS manual published yet
 LXDE is retro at this point and it's stupid to publish LTS before it's published to stable
[02:14] <lynorian> agreed 20.04 stuff is in master https://manual.lubuntu.me/master/
[02:22] <kc2bez> @HmollerCl https://phab.lubuntu.me/P55 Before I upload here is the lintian run on update notifier.
[02:23] <kc2bez> Standards-version should probably get a bump and it looks like the description needs a bit of a tweak.
[03:31] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL31035d159e1e: Fix wording] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL31035d159e1e
[03:33] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL2cd12fe15e3a: Add other way to quit screengrab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL2cd12fe15e3a
[03:43] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL4bfa2f2b8cd2: Add icon for ScreenGrab] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL4bfa2f2b8cd2
[03:52] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUAL372eda44270d: Add text to correct paragraph] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUAL372eda44270d
[04:13] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALd6147f7d4053: Update qpdfview version for 20.04] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALd6147f7d4053
[05:42] <guiverc> testing my backup strategy; I just nuked a 8tb array with a `dd` (I didn't read the hostname); can I use bazaar to redownload my push/commits? (testcases still in review stage)?  low-priority since O
[05:42] <guiverc> I'll have to rebuild box first
 One thing I noticed yesterday and confirmed today is: … If there is a swap partition already present on disk, the live usb uses it. But installer doesn't provide an option of erasing the whole disk unless you manually disable the swap partition. Only gives options of manual partitioning or replacing one. … Ideally it should al
 ^ @guiverc can you confirm this?
 Who else uses cala apart from us? I can check with their live usb too. If they have this issue or not.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [One thing I noticed yesterday and confirmed today is: … If there is a swap partit …], This could be important for people coming from lubuntu 18.04 and doing a fresh install of 20.04
[06:52] <guiverc> The_LoudSpeaker, that's a known issue (and I've hit my head on it many many times), but most my installs are over prior qa-installs; so no swap (swap file)
 Ack. Thanks!
[07:35] <guiverc> The_LoudSpeaker, also I'll be slow on testing; I wrongly nuked my primary server drive array, i ran `dd` without realizing I wasn't on localhost (`ssh`); verified my /dev in a different term to avoid scrolling :( -- i'm distracted currently trying to fix my mess
 @guiverc [<guiverc> The_LoudSpeaker, also I'll be slow on testing; I wrongly nuked my prim …], Ouch! 😮
[07:45]  * guiverc  should have learned though; idiot me wiped a hdd only a couple of months ago; so I got my warning on somethign that didn't matter
 @guiverc [<guiverc> The_LoudSpeaker, also I'll be slow on testing; I wrongly nuked my prim …], Ow.
 No worries. I got my test machine l back. Already testing focal on it.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [One thing I noticed yesterday and confirmed today is: … If there is a swap partit …], https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/860
 https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1258#issuecomment-570931429 … Wow! wxl: how did you I was telling that exact thing?
 Are you spying on me? 🧐
 @kc2bez [https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/860], Nothing after 2018 on this. :/
 Nope, it works fine if you turn off all swap before you start the installation, you just have to remember to do that.
 @kc2bez [Nope, it works fine if you turn off all swap before you start the installation, …], Ideally it should provide that option and unmount swaps automatically.
 If that option is selected.
 I agree.
 There is a note in the manual page for it too https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/1/1.3/installation.html
[11:08] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] gsilvapt (Gustavo Silva) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2884
 @wxl are you sure the metadata change is enough to fix this issue? I didn't have time to test but if that's the case then I would like to close the bug report I opened on LP
[14:09] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] gsilvapt (Gustavo Silva) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2886
[14:56] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-panel menu] The_LoudSpeaker (Raman Sarda) commented on the task: https://phab.lubuntu.me/T139#2887
 @lugito [<lugito>  3[  13T139: Ensure applications in Snap packages show up in the lxqt-p …], @gsilvapt
 Thanks, @The_LoudSpeaker. I'll try this when I have some time
 @guiverc [<guiverc> testing my backup strategy; I just nuked a 8tb array with a `dd` (I di …], Yep grab it from your account
 @gsilvapt [@wxl are you sure the metadata change is enough to fix this issue? I didn't have …], Yes tested so that PR is what we need.  Let me know if you need help testing
 @The_LoudSpeaker [Ideally it should provide that option and unmount swaps automatically.], Maybe we should make a custom job that warns the user
 @wxl: you around?
[19:29] <wxl> yep
 soooo. I downloaded the conflicted package of lxqt-globalkeys which was stuch in MoM
 fixed the errors.
 built using debuild -S
 and then dput ubuntu ../lxqt-globalkeys_0.13.1-1ubuntu1_source.changes
 did I do it correctly?
 or messed up?
 how do I check?
 I don't see anything new here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-globalkeys/
 anyone?
[19:35] <kc2bez> I would think you would get an email.
[19:35] <kc2bez> It should have rejected it.
[19:35] <kc2bez> current version is 0.14.1+git20190923-0ubuntu1
[19:36] <kc2bez> You tried to upload 0.13.1 something which is lower in versioning.
 oh yess
[19:37] <kc2bez> You should really push to phab first.
 can't find lxqt-globalkeys_0.14.3.orig.tar.xz in upload
 @kc2bez [<kc2bez> You should really push to phab first.], even for fixing packages that are stuck in MoM?
[19:44] <kc2bez> I would think yes, it needs to end up in there somehow.
 any idea how?
 @wxl:
[20:00] <wxl> well it needs to go to git
[20:01] <wxl> you can do that through arc but if you're sure of yourself, just git commit it
 the source downloaded from MoM doesn't have .git in it
[20:02] <wxl> well then don't get the source from MoM XD
 well. I have to fix what MoM can't soo..
 -\o/-
[20:03] <wxl> in other words, you do the whole merge yourself
 more briefly please?
 I am running `debuild -us -uc -tc` but it still says original source not included.
[20:04] <wxl> then you don't have the original source, obviously :)
 I do have the 0.14.3.orig.tar in ../
[20:06] <wxl> of course we could get around this whole git step if somehow we had something monitoring archive uploads and adding them to git. is that something we could do, @tsimonq2?
 I think that day I did have correctly compiled source (with original one) but I don't remember how I did it.
[20:16] <wxl> do you have it untarred?
[20:17] <wxl> you need to do that before debuilding
 same error
 also, why would I untar it? I am not even working on the original source na? I am in 0.14.3-1ubuntu1
 not in 0.14.3
[20:20] <wxl> i mean it is de*BUILD*
[20:21] <wxl> i don't think building the source package requires it, per se, but it might
 I am running debuild inside this: https://merges.ubuntu.com/l/lxqt-globalkeys/lxqt-globalkeys_0.14.3-1ubuntu1.src.tar.gz
 after fixing the conflicts
[20:22] <wxl> i've never bothered with mom personally so i'm not sure what to tell you
 @tsimonq2
 you know something?
[20:29] <wxl> i think you have the wrong source
[20:29] <wxl> i think that's the problem
[20:29] <wxl> there's no .tar https://merges.ubuntu.com/l/lxqt-globalkeys/
 https://merges.ubuntu.com/l/lxqt-globalkeys/lxqt-globalkeys_0.14.3.orig.tar.xz
 okay wxl: what would be the best way to get new upstream release of globalkeys?
 I am done trying with MoM
 The latest tar is on MoM report folder
 yeah. I downloaded that. fixed the errors. now how do I upload it correctly?
 @RikMills
 build the source
 ```This package has a Debian revision number but there does not seem to be … ````an appropriate original tar file or .orig directory in the parent directory; … (expected one of lxqt-globalkeys_0.14.3.orig.tar.gz, lxqt-globalkeys_0.14.3.orig.tar.bz2, … lxqt-globalkeys_0.14.3.orig.tar.lzma,  lxqt-globalkeys_0.14.3.orig.tar.xz or
 pressing y fails
 In the lxqt-globalkeys-0.14.3-1ubuntu1 folder … ../merge-buildpackage -d
 umm what?
 you did grab-merge, yes?
 nope
 I just downloaded  lxqt-globalkeys_0.14.3-1ubuntu1.src.tar.gz from mom, fixed errors, then downloaded https://merges.ubuntu.com/l/lxqt-globalkeys/lxqt-globalkeys_0.14.3.orig.tar.xz into ../ and ran debuild -S
 @The_LoudSpeaker [I just downloaded  lxqt-globalkeys_0.14.3-1ubuntu1.src.tar.gz from mom, fixed er …], this build without using original source. I get that mail of rejected.
[20:48] -lugito:#lubuntu-devel- [rMANUALdedec11558e9: IMprove wording] lynorian (Lyn Perrine) committed: https://phab.lubuntu.me/rMANUALdedec11558e9
[20:48] <wxl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging
 if you fetch the merge with grab-merge you get scripts to build the source when you are done!
[20:48] <wxl> ah yes this is documented
[20:48] <wxl> Generate a new merged source package using the merge-buildpackage script.
 where have you been all this time @RikMills !! me and wxl here need lessons from you.
 You will end up with something like this: https://launchpad.net/~rikmills/+archive/ubuntu/focal/+sourcepub/10912317/+listing-archive-extra
 (I couldn't be bothered to fill in the changelog....)
[20:49] <wxl> @RikMills given how kubuntu normally does things, when do you find yourself using mom at all???
 @wxl [<wxl> @RikMills given how kubuntu normally does things, when do you find yoursel …], I don't for the Kubuntu stuff much, but use it sometimes for other MOTU type things
 @wxl [<wxl> of course we could get around this whole git step if somehow we had someth …], It's a huge project
[20:53] <wxl> @tsimonq2 even an alert system would be nice, but stilll here's raman fixing a merge with mom and he'll be stuck trying to figure out how to get the changes in git
[21:02] <wxl> @The_LoudSpeaker barring some improvement, i guess once you get it all figured out you should make a document on how to deal with this kind of like we have https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/packaging/packaging_for_new_upstream_releases/
[21:02] <wxl> "automatic merges for lubuntu"
 sure.
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/P56
 https://phab.lubuntu.me/P57
 ^^ @RikMills
[21:16] <wxl> make them pubhlic
 should I do a `dpkg-source --commit`
 @wxl [<wxl> make them pubhlic], one sec.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [should I do a dpkg-source --commit], No
 @RikMills [No], then?
 @wxl [<wxl> make them pubhlic], done
 @The_LoudSpeaker [then?], Is that file in your debian packaging or the upstream source tar?
 upstream probably
 how do I check?
 Look in the upstream tarball
 However, it won't be in there. If it was, you wouldn't be getting the error
 It is not in 0.14.3.orig.tar
 remove it then try again then. the error is saying it should not be there
 successful\
 And fix the changelog!
[21:25] <wxl> https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/blob/master/.translation-update
[21:25] <wxl> it's there
[21:25] <wxl> in other news, we have a new packageg coming it seems https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-organizer
 @wxl [<wxl> it's there], ow. I deleted
 @The_LoudSpeaker [should I do a dpkg-source --commit], I should have done this
 now I have to do again everything?
 or can I add the file later from phab? I have the patch with info
 @The_LoudSpeaker [I should have done this], No
 oh yesh
 correct no
[21:29] <wxl> that file should have been there since 0.14.0
 coz it is there in on github master but not in the 0.14.3 source that we have. one sec I need to confirm something
 @wxl [<wxl> that file should have been there since 0.14.0], wait one min
[21:30] <wxl> https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/tree/0.14.0
[21:30] <wxl> and it's not here https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/tree/0.13.0
 I don't see it in https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/releases/download/0.14.3/lxqt-globalkeys-0.14.3.tar.xz
[21:31] <wxl> THAT is weird
 @RikMills [And fix the changelog!], what exactly in changelog? release name? done.
 @wxl [<wxl> THAT is weird], I feel like yelling "Abbey Saale" to upstream but I am too tired at the moment
[21:32] <wxl> it's certainly not there
 @wxl [<wxl> THAT is weird], Not really. Not all repo .something files go in release tars
 @The_LoudSpeaker [what exactly in changelog? release name? done.], @RikMills
 @The_LoudSpeaker [@RikMills], What is your current changelog?
 one sec
 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZxhjQjKnMs/
 ```lxqt-globalkeys (0.14.3-1ubuntu1) focal; urgency=low …   * Merge from Debian unstable. Remaining changes: …     - Change 1 …     - Change 2 …     - Change 3 …  -- Raman Sarda<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Thu, 17 Oct 2019 03:44:41 +0000```
 should be like that ^^^
 where the changes are those between the debian version and the merged version that you are keeping
 okay.
 Will do.
 while you are comparing the differences, you probably want to see if any of the remaining changes can be safely dropped
 `[ Ubuntu Merge-o-Matic ] …   * Merge from Debian unstable. Remaining changes: …    - Modified lxqt-globalkeys.install to include ubuntu specific changes. …    - new dependencies in control file. …    - Translations from debian.`
 ^ this okay?
 @RikMills [while you are comparing the differences, you probably want to see if any of the …], I do have an extra patch file by wxl which is not required now. I will drop that. Tho I think I would like to do that from phab side.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [I do have an extra patch file by wxl which is not required now. I will drop that …], it is not urgent as the patch is not in series file so can wait.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [^ this okay?], You might want to explain in a bit more detail. The point is that someone else coming along later and having to merge again, has a good idea of what you kept and why.
[21:42] <wxl> we have a patch not in series???? wth. in any case you should fix that presently.
 @The_LoudSpeaker [[ Ubuntu Merge-o-Matic ] …   * Merge from Debian unstable. Remaining changes: …    - …], oh yeah I need to remove mom's name.
 yup
 @wxl [<wxl> we have a patch not in series???? wth. in any case you should fix that pre …], your complete-config-file.patch
 @RikMills [You might want to explain in a bit more detail. The point is that someone else c …], okay.
[21:43] <wxl> https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lxqt-globalkeys/browse/ubuntu%252Ffocal/debian/patches/series
 wtf! I willremove it
 I made the changes, changed the author in debian changelog. ran debuild -S it still doesn't include original source. `dpkg-buildpackage: info: binary and diff upload (original source NOT included)`
 @RikMills
 oh wait.
 what all do I suppl y with merge-buildpackage script? only key right?
 perhaps. I don't supply anything as my gpg agent is running
 yay! upload successful
[22:03] <wxl> and now you need to figure out how to get that patch into git and tag it XD
 one sec. I will do that.
 will cloning it from launchpad and then `git tag ubuntu/VERSION` work?
 I don't think so no.
 so how do I do it?
 I do see a branch named ubuntu/focal there
 I am not sure but you will need to change the origin. If you clone from launchpad your changes (by default) go to launchpad.
 so only git push origin ubuntu/focal then?
 no
 then what?
 you don't need to apply a tag to launchpad.
 you need to push it to phab.
 @kc2bez [you don't need to apply a tag to launchpad.], yeah I already see the tag there
 @kc2bez [you need to push it to phab.], how is that done?
 @wxl [<wxl> in other news, we have a new packageg coming it seems https://github.com/l …], njoice.
 *noice
 @wxl [<wxl> in other news, we have a new packageg coming it seems https://github.com/l …], that seems to be progressing nicely.
[22:14] <wxl> clone from phab; push to phab
 @wxl [<wxl> clone from phab; push to phab], thoda details please?
[22:14] <wxl> you're overthinking it bub
 well you said to tag it
 last step
[22:15] <wxl> git clone https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/lxqt-globalkeys.git
[22:15] <wxl> <make changes>
[22:15] <wxl> git push
 what changes exactly?
[22:15] <wxl> the changes you uploaded
 mean these? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/459429230/lxqt-globalkeys_0.14.1+git20190923-0ubuntu1_0.14.3-1ubuntu1.diff.gz
[22:17] <wxl> so i imagine somehow you'll have to turn your debdiff or whatever into a patch
 yeah that was what I was thinking just now
 @The_LoudSpeaker [mean these? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/459429230/lxqt-globalkeys_0.14.1+git2 …], I need to convert this.
[22:18] <wxl> right that's it
[22:20] <wxl> `git apply patch.diff` should do the trick, assuming you don't need to do any other mods
 but then if I already have changes in launchpad, shouldn't phab pull them automatically? They are currently in proposed packet. which I assume will go slowly into release one.
[22:20] <wxl> no
[22:20] <wxl> you don't have changes in launchpad
[22:20] <wxl> you have changes in the release archive
[22:20] <wxl> NOT the same
 changes made in phab go to release pocket directly na? it should also pull from there.
 @wxl [<wxl> NOT the same], oh behenchooo
[22:21] <wxl> changes made in phab go nowhere until they're uploaded
 whyyy!!
 @wxl [<wxl> changes made in phab go nowhere until they're uploaded], yeah I meant after uploading only
[22:21] <wxl> because @tsimonq2 says to make it automatic would be a "big project"
 @The_LoudSpeaker [whyyy!!], It allows for a review process before the upload.
 Also sponsorship
 @wxl [<wxl> because @tsimonq2 says to make it automatic would be a "big project"], you mean to say it is https://phab.lubuntu.me/macro/view/4/
 @kc2bez [It allows for a review process before the upload.], the whyy was for why phab doesn't pull automatically
[22:24] <wxl> i think it WOULD be good to have archive uploads sync to git
[22:24] <wxl> oppsite direction not so much XD
 This^
[22:29] <wxl> sorry i think you'll want `git apply -p1` while in the root (which should have the source untarred in it)
[22:30] <wxl> e.g. lxqt-globalkeys-0.14.3/debian/control would then make changes to debian/control
[22:30] <wxl> and lxqt-globalkeys-0.14.3/CHANGELOG would make changes to CHANGELOG
[22:30] <wxl> in case you're not familiar with `patch`, this follows the same behavior there
 p1?
[22:37] <wxl> yep
 @The_LoudSpeaker [mean these? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/459429230/lxqt-globalkeys_0.14.1+git2 …], the thing is, this is made from version 0.14.1+git20190923 to 0.14.3 but to apply any patch, I need to uscan —download-current -version and untar it. How do I get that for that +git version? uscan only takes from 0.14.3 o
 the patch should change that too
[22:40] <wxl> yeah but he would need the tarball first
[22:40] <wxl> since it makes changes to the initial one
 gotcha
 @wxl [<wxl> yeah but he would need the tarball first], exjhactly
[22:40] <wxl> --download-version <version>
[22:41] <wxl> or perhaps better --download-debversion <version>
 so I download and create one using github?
[22:41] <wxl> or maybe even --download-current-version
 @wxl [<wxl> or maybe even --download-current-version], all of then don't work
 ```ubuntu@focal-dev:~/globalkeys/lxqt-globalkeys$ uscan --download-current-version  … uscan warn: In debian/watch no matching hrefs for version 0.14.1+git20190923 in watch line …   https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/releases .*/lxqt-globalkeys-([\d\.]+).tar.xz … ubuntu@focal-dev:~/globalkeys/lxqt-globalkeys$```
[22:41] <wxl> you tried?
[22:41] <wxl> dude
[22:41] <wxl> --download-current-version
[22:41] <wxl> is not the same as
[22:42] <wxl> --download-version <specify the version you want here>
 @wxl> --download-version <specify the version you want here [<wxl> --download-version <specify the version you want here>], I had tried that didn't work last time. will try again now
 if you change the version in the changelog then try current-version ?
 @kc2bez [if you change the version in the changelog then try current-version ?], patch doesn't apply then
[22:44] <wxl> he means change it long enough to get the tarball
[22:44] <wxl> it's called "cheating"
 right
 I like to call it "out of the box" thinking :P
 I got the tar ball of 0.14.3 by specifiing the version even now the patch doesn't apply
[22:45] <wxl> you don't want 0.14.3
[22:45] <wxl> you want 0.14.1+git20190923
 so change it back now that you have the tar
 @wxl [<wxl> you want 0.14.1+git20190923], ubuntu@focal-dev:~/globalkeys/lxqt-globalkeys$ uscan --download-version 0.14.1+git20190923 … uscan warn: In debian/watch no matching hrefs for version 0.14.1+git20190923 in watch line …   https://github.com/lxqt/lxqt-globalkeys/releases .*/lxqt-globalkeys-([\d\.]+).tar.xz
[22:47] <wxl> use --download-debversion
 same story
 what are you trying to do?
 to get the recently pushed changes into phab
 these: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/459429230/lxqt-globalkeys_0.14.1+git20190923-0ubuntu1_0.14.3-1ubuntu1.diff.gz
[22:49] <wxl> he needs the old tarball at this point
[22:49] <wxl> well
[22:49] <wxl> another option is this
 @wxl [<wxl> he needs the old tarball at this point], I think I should try to make one from github
 why would you need the old tarball?
[22:50] <wxl> since the source changes don't matter to phab, just remove all the changes that don't involve debian
[22:50] <wxl> then apply that
 then that is, I guess, simillar to what we do while updating on phab for new upstream releases
 is it?
[22:51] <wxl> yep
 tried that
 didn't work
[22:53] <wxl> what is "that?"
 what if, I shifted to a branch of 0.14.1-ubuntu-something on phab and then tried updating as if I was updating for new upstream release?
[22:53] <wxl> why not do what i said?
 @wxl [<wxl> what is "that?"], updating from that git one as if I am updating for new upstream release.
 ^
[22:54] <wxl> i wouldn't suggest it
[22:54] <wxl> do what i said: modify the diff
 also, someone remind me how we picked that git? I will directly go and pick from the commit of 0.14.3 release. will mark version as 0.14.3 instead of 0.14.3+gitsomething. will remove hassel from next time.
 @wxl [<wxl> do what i said: modify the diff], will try now.
 wait there are changes to cmakelists and translations if those are removed only one line in debian/lxqt-globalkeys.install remains
 really I should do it?
[22:57] <wxl> uh
[22:57] <wxl> so you made no changes to d/changelog?
 I mean between both versions only change to debian folder is that instal file. apart from changelog
[22:58] <wxl> i see changes to:
[22:58] <wxl> changelog
[22:58] <wxl> control
[22:58] <wxl> gbp.conf
[22:58] <wxl> patches/complete-config-file.patch
[22:58] <wxl> patches/series
[22:59] <wxl> i see no changes to the file you mentioned
 oh yesh I noticed now.
 but I did make changes to that install file while resolving conflicts
[23:00] <wxl> it's not in that diff
 hence the first point under extra changes in changelog
[23:02] <wxl> i see the changelog entry
[23:02] <wxl> i DON'T see the change to the file
[23:02] <wxl> grep the file yourself and see
 those were already on ubuntu side. not in debian one hence the failure in mom. I had kept the ubuntu one.
 remember we changed the location of installation of upstream config fille? that was the change
[23:08] <wxl> i hear what you're saying
[23:08] <wxl> but it's not there
 what you said works. But only changelog doesn't apply
 I will remove changelog also  from diff and write it by hand
 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sWrJCg2pJh/
[23:13] <wxl> inspect the diff in comparison to the changelog and see if you can figure it out
 I tried.
[23:13] <wxl> i'm at work so i can't do it for you but that's what needs to happen
 points to 247th line but that line seems fine in debian/changelog. Infact, it shouldn't touch it.
[23:14] <wxl> might be some whitespace or something
[23:15] <wxl> @@ -247,3 +313,4 @@
[23:15] <wxl> * Use lower-case for description.
[23:15] <wxl> why are there OLD changes to the changelog???????
 same question!!
[23:15] <wxl> ^ is that normal with mom, @RikMills ?
 @wxl [<wxl> * Use lower-case for description.], that line is laready there currently. should I just remove it from diff?
 woop! I am removing it. will add later if required. it is taking too long for this small thing. I have class at 8am.
 what should be the version number tho?
 1ubuntu1 is already used na?
 wxl: old?
 also I don't think I need those changes about translations now in changelog. not there in diff.
 @RikMills [wxl: old?], ?
[23:22] <wxl> @RikMills changes to the *past* history in the changelog
[23:22] <wxl> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/459429230/lxqt-globalkeys_0.14.1+git20190923-0ubuntu1_0.14.3-1ubuntu1.diff.gz
 0.14.3-1ubuntu1 is the one I put in that archive one. so I put 2 here?
[23:23] <wxl> e.g
[23:23] <wxl> @@ -39,6 +98,13 @@
[23:23] <wxl>
[23:23] <wxl>   -- Simon Quigley<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Sat, 26 Jan 2019 00:15:52 -0600
[23:23] <wxl>
[23:23] <wxl> +lxqt-globalkeys (0.13.0-1) unstable; urgency=medium
[23:23] <wxl> +
[23:23] <wxl> +  * Cherry-picking new upstream version 0.13.0.
[23:23] <wxl> +  * Bumped build dependency liblxqt0-dev to >= 0.13.0~
[23:23] <wxl> +
[23:23] <wxl> + -- Alf Gaida<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Thu, 24 May 2018 21:23:58 +0200
[23:23] <wxl> +
[23:24] <wxl> so i'm a bit weirded out by that
 @wxl [<wxl> +  * Cherry-picking new upstream version 0.13.0.], we could have done this now. couldn't we?
[23:24] <wxl> however if you want to fix the "problem" if you look carefully at the plus signs you should see the issue:
[23:24] <wxl> @@ -247,3 +313,4 @@
[23:24] <wxl>    * Use lower-case for description.
[23:24] <wxl>
[23:24] <wxl>   -- Andrew Lee (æŽå¥ç§‹<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Sun, 16 Aug 2015 02:18:03 +0800
[23:24] <wxl> +
 yeah this is the issue and I don't understand why!!
[23:24] <wxl> also i think there's a bit of whitespace after that .
 wxl: changelog gets merged as well. so it shows both history. that is what merging means
[23:25] <wxl> the last + adds an empty line
[23:25] <wxl> @RikMills okie dokie. it's just scary :)
 @wxl [<wxl> the last + adds an empty line], I removed that in the start, it says curropt patch. doesn't apply
 tell meee the version number!!!
[23:26] <wxl> we're merging 0.14.3-1 no?
[23:27] <wxl> and removing all the patches, right?
[23:27] <wxl> if so, 0.14.3-1
 yeah
 @wxl [<wxl> if so, 0.14.3-1], okay
[23:27] <wxl> remember 1ubuntu2 means 1 debian patch and 2 ubuntu patches
 still not applying
 ubuntu@focal-dev:~/globalkeys/lxqt-globalkeys$ git apply ~/lxqt-globalkeys_0.14.3-1.diff --ignore-whitespace  … error: patch failed: debian/control:11 … error: debian/control: patch does not apply … error: debian/gbp.conf: already exists in working directory … error: debian/patches/complete-config-file.patch: No such file or d
 tomorrow let us cherry pic the upstream commit of 0.14.3? okay?


[07:30] <knightwise> mornin
[07:30] <daftykins> good morn \o
[07:46] <SuperMatt> 'ning
[07:46] <Gargoyle> o/
[07:51] <foobarry> changed firefox to multi process. it doth sucketh still
[07:51] <daftykins> maybe a good clean profile is needed
[07:51] <foobarry> one of the tabs causing 100% cpu
[07:52] <daftykins> however it runs so nice on Windows, seems they just dropped the ball on Linux and mac
[07:52] <foobarry> but it still kills whole browser
[07:52] <daftykins> err well that sounds like plugins
[07:52] <foobarry> don't have many
[07:53] <foobarry> ah its also using 5G resident
[07:53] <foobarry> it was that "listen to wikipedia" site
[07:54] <foobarry> left it runnign overnight.
[07:54] <foobarry> hmm or was it
[08:00] <foobarry> gaah it was logstash
[08:25] <daftykins> what's that?
[08:27] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:28] <daftykins> \o
[08:29] <brobostigon> morning daftykins
[08:30] <daftykins> :)
[08:30] <daftykins> must head out, first time working since i got back :D
[08:30] <daftykins> ooh the pain of it all!
[08:32] <brobostigon> :)
[08:33] <knightwise> hmm
[08:33] <foobarry> logstash is awesome. think searchable unified syslogging across all machines
[08:33] <knightwise> popey lied to me :)
[08:34] <knightwise> Snappy install of nextcloud on rasp pi didnt work so smoothly
[08:39] <popey> hm?
[08:39] <popey> I didn't lie. It worked smoothly for me.
[08:40] <davmor2> knightwise: why?
[08:45] <knightwise> popey: got some dependancy errors (strange)
[08:45] <knightwise> Should have made some screenshos
[08:45] <popey> uh
[08:46] <davmor2> knightwise: how did you install it
[08:46] <popey> I installed the snap
[08:46] <popey> snap install nextcloud
[08:46] <popey> End of instructions
[08:47] <davmor2> knightwise: the dependencies in the snap are bundled in there are no dependency issues.  Install Snappy Core 16 and then sudo snap install nextcloud
[08:57] <knightwise> davmor2: i did do a snap install , but it failed to start the nextcloud services , i'll try again tonight an see what I get
[09:16] <popey> knightwise: it takes a little while on first start, some minutes
[09:16] <popey> I just tested here
[09:16] <popey> (on another pi)
[09:20] <knightwise> did you get an error ?
[09:21] <popey> at what point?
[09:22] <popey> well, no, i see no errors
[09:22] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy World Teachers' Day! 😃
[09:23] <zmoylan-pi> who put world teachers day in october?! when they can least appreciate it?! :-)
[09:35] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ia-ch8g8c0
[09:36] <davmor2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib-Qiyklq-Q
[14:57] <diddledan> argh. I'm getting angry reading this ubuntu-devel-discuss thread
[14:58] <diddledan> "It's not what I want. make it how I want it. I won't tell you what I want, just what I don't."
[14:59] <diddledan> there's lots of bashing of current state but no actual constructive arguments for what to do about it
[14:59] <ali1234> i have a constructive argument for what to do about it
[14:59] <diddledan> seems to be a common theme from this xen guy
[15:00] <ali1234> fire the entire phone team and consolidate on desktop and server
[15:00] <ali1234> OR
[15:00] <ali1234> fire the desktop and server teams and concentrate on phone (but that would be suicide)
[15:02] <ali1234> perhaps an even easier solution would be to just make the phone team only use phones to do all their work
[15:03] <ali1234> no desktops, no servers. just convergence
[15:13] <Gargoyle> diddledan, is that where general discussions take place for any ubuntu dev? I might want to have a read as I am seriously surprised at some stuff.
[15:14] <diddledan> Gargoyle: not sure about everything, but some stuff gets discussed there
[15:14] <BigRedS1> ali1234: but then how do you flip-flop between priorities every couple of release?
[15:15] <ali1234> well you can still flip flop between desktop and server
[15:15] <ali1234> actually that could work pretty well
[15:15] <ali1234> LTS switches between desktop and server focus
[15:15] <ali1234> and they have five year support
[15:18] <BigRedS1> is that what they do, or something you suggest? We stopped using Ubuntu servers a few years ago (12.04?) when it looked like Canonical was all about phones and tablets
[15:18] <ali1234> something i suggest
[15:18] <ali1234> canonical is now all about phones and tablets and server and also the cloud
[15:19] <ali1234> also they still make a desktop operating system
[15:19] <ali1234> also IoT
[15:19] <ali1234> oh and also several different app ecosystems (click, snap, charm...)
[15:20] <diddledan> thing is I can understand the desire to be in these other markets. it allows canonical to get some positive cashflow.
[15:20] <ali1234> not if they never finish anything it doesn't
[15:27] <ali1234> i just tried on install ubuntu on nexus 7 which is a reference device and it doesn't even work
[15:28] <ali1234> the installer just exits and the device screen says "this device needs restoring from a PC or service center" on a purple ubuntu background
[15:29] <BigRedS1> yeah, if you're interested in any of those things, it looks like a thing Canonical's sort-of doing but not focussing on
[15:43] <daftykins> diddledan: heh what you just described is every day in #kodi
[15:44] <daftykins> "this software doesn't read my mind about how i want my media collection, a curse on ye all!" </standard user>
[17:24] <arsen> daftykins  you tried kodi on an amazon stick?
[17:25] <daftykins> yeah, don't bother - full wired LAN model or not at all :)
[17:25] <daftykins> actually about to fire up a Rick and Morty episode on mine right this moment \o/ i have the first gen FireTV model
[17:25] <daftykins> sad thing is Kodi lost its' android dev, so the platform is in jeopardy too
[17:26] <davmor2> ali1234: Nexus 7 isn't a reference device anymore so hasn't had testing for a while
[17:26] <ali1234> davmor2: the wiki says it is
[17:27] <ali1234> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/devices/
[17:27] <davmor2> wiki says lots of things
[17:28] <ali1234> the funny thing is that in the end it turned out that the wiki was correct and all the advice people gave me was wrong
[17:28] <davmor2> ali1234: I'll pass the message on though
[17:28] <daftykins> wow an up to date wiki! that's... unheard of
[17:28] <davmor2> daftykins: :)
[17:28] <ali1234> the problem was just that i needed to format system, because u-d-f can't
[17:28] <daftykins> so the question remains, if the wiki had the info - why did you need to talk to people?
[17:29] <ali1234> because the wiki doesn't mention that u-d-f doesn't know how to format unfortmatted partitions
[17:29] <ali1234> i had to figure that part out myself though
[17:31] <daftykins> ah well at least you can fix the wiki and make the world a better place now
[17:31] <davmor2> ali1234: the nexus7 didn't need partitioning you could just flash from bootstrap and wipe the drive maybe that is the issue
[17:31] <ali1234> davmor2: i never said anything about partitioning
[17:31] <ali1234> it is impossible to modify the partitions on a nexus 7 without reflashing the first stage bootloader
[17:31] <ali1234> the problem is that i did fastboot erase system instead of fastboot format system
[17:32] <ali1234> and u-d-f is not smart enough to format it for me in that case
[17:32] <ali1234> or perhaps the problem was userdata
[17:35] <ali1234> and daftykins it's not the community wiki, so only canonical can edit it... i guess it's not really even a wiki any more, it's developer.ubuntu.com
[17:36] <ali1234> or actually i might be wrong about that.. lets see
[17:36] <davmor2> ali1234: it not only canonical it is ubuntu memebers and canonical and it is locked down because it was getting spammed every two seconds
[17:37] <ali1234> davmor2: no, that's the community wiki you are talking about
[17:37] <ali1234> the instructions i followed are at https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/phone/devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/
[17:38] <ali1234> the community wiki is now locked down too, so i can't edit that anymore
[17:38] <davmor2> ali1234: well that isn't a wiki that is a website that is controlled by popey and co iirc
[17:38] <ali1234> it used to be a wiki, albiet one that only canonical could edit
[17:39] <daftykins> well that's sucky
[17:39] <daftykins> i suppose it's not hugely worth resolving issues on such old devices
[17:39] <davmor2> ali1234: no it wasn't it's been wordpress and now django iirc but popey can confirm
[17:40] <ali1234> daftykins: there is no issue, it works fine as long as you format the partitions first
[17:40] <ali1234> it is expected that you just install it over android without wiping
[17:43] <daftykins> ah i was getting the idea of an inaccurate guide
[17:43] <ali1234> no the guide is accurate it just missed one crucial piece of information:
[17:43] <ali1234> ubuntu does not work like every android rom ever made. it requires the partitions to be formatted before you install it.
[17:44] <ali1234> and also it won't tell you what the problem is if they aren't
[17:44] <daftykins> funny, if i were changing ROM i'd format everything first
[17:44] <ali1234> i know right?
[17:45] <ali1234> well, formatting it is fine, erasing it is not
[17:45] <ali1234> but for example, flash-all.sh will just work no matter what state the device is it
[17:45] <ali1234> that's what the factory roms use
[17:57] <popey> ali1234: anyone can edit the wiki, it's not locked down, you just need to be in the right launchpad group - ~ubuntu-wiki-editors
[18:15] <daftykins> "diabetes pumps obey unencrypted radio commands" that seems like old news
[18:16] <zmoylan-pi> i did like when they installed a pacemaker in cheney they disabled the wireless link to prevent hackers...
[18:23] <daftykins> "replacement galaxy note 7 explodes during boarding of a southwest flight"
[18:23] <daftykins> oh samsung, you're in trouble now
[18:27] <zmoylan-pi> horribly unlucky for them
[19:48] <dogmatic69> Just found some files that are chgrouped to 'guest-xutdxq'
[19:48] <dogmatic69> any idea?
[19:49] <dogmatic69> google has 0 results for 'guest-xutdxq' search
[19:49] <ali1234> did you log in to the guest account?
[19:50] <daftykins> well the second portion definitely looks generated
[19:50] <ali1234> yeah
[19:50] <daftykins> so a google result would be quite improbable ;D
[19:50] <ali1234> http://askubuntu.com/questions/337861/why-there-are-many-guest-accounts-on-my-system
[21:35]  * lopta slumps across his desk.


[13:55] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[18:14] <TBotNik> How do I completely disable "fullscreen" so it can never be called, not even via cmd line?
[18:48] <oerheks> what makes you think such option exists?
[18:50] <oerheks> this mail postings did not work for me<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:50] <benreed> i can't seem to find how to setup swipe gestures on my touchscreen laptop. websites say kubuntu supports it, but i can't scroll (for instance) with swipes on my default install.
[21:01] <Alabalistic> benreed:  check the configs
[21:02] <Alabalistic> in the start menu type touch and the touch screen will show up
[21:03] <Alabalistic> there click on the scrreen squeres and you will have menu to choose the action
[21:15] <benreed> Alabalistic: yeah, i saw that, but that is mostly about hot corners right? i really liked being able to swipe scroll on windows.
[21:24] <abdullah> (y)
[21:24] <abdullah><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:27] <keithzg> Damn, with Elisa having an explicit option to force a deeper-level approach to indexing I was hoping *that* would work to get it to actually index my much. Alas!
[22:16] <benreed> has anyone gotten fingerprint login to work well with kubuntu?
[22:18] <valorie> benreed: I've not found a fingerprint reader that works well on anything
[22:18] <valorie> including my phone
[22:19] <oerheks> see the fingerprint wiki, for supported devices
[22:20] <oerheks> and overall: the communication between device and pc is not encrypted ...yet
[22:21] <benreed> ah okay, the reader works well with windows (hp spectre x360). what is the wiki you're talking about.
[22:21] <oerheks> oh you will find it, 'ubuntu fingerprint wiki'
[22:25] <benreed> oerheks: thanx!
[22:26] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/~fingerprint/+archive/ubuntu/fingerprint-gui is the old page, see the link to https://fprint.freedesktop.org/supported-devices.html
[22:39] <valorie> I should take what I said back; as I understand iPhones work well
[22:42] <oerheks> my samsung A50 works fine too .. after an update


[05:46] <foo> I'm looking at how many workers to set on an app. It says this: Rule of thumb : (#CPU * 2) + 1 - how do I know how many know of #CPU's I have? What command would show me that? This instance is running in aws
[06:18] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:19] <lordievader> foo: `lscpu` shows the cpu count.
[06:19] <foo> lordievader: thank you
[12:35] <coreycb> jamespage: i'm going to promote qemu to pike-updates for LP: 1779162. only been in proposed for a day but it's tested and causing data corruption on migration for s390 guests.
[14:01] <jamespage> coreycb: +1 sounds like a priority
[15:42] <Ussat> Sooo....getting headache here or hurting the wall hitting it with my head...have a log check issue on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS, sure its a user issue :) but I have no idea what I crewed up, here is a pastbin with errors at bottom: https://pastebin.com/dRLqUR45
[15:42] <Ussat> command run was"  su -s /bin/bash -c "/usr/sbin/logcheck -d" logcheck
[15:43] <Ussat> the -d is for debug output
[16:28] <Ussat> hmm no one ?
[16:32] <Epx998> Where can I get a PPC iso for 16.04.3?
[16:34] <Epx998> nm found it
[16:35] <tomreyn> 16.04.4 is current, though
[16:35] <Epx998> yeah this is a corner case where I need .3
[16:37] <njbair> any known issues with conjure-up on 18.04? I've tried and failed several times to set up a novalxd server on two different machines over the last couple days.
[16:41] <whislock> Epx998: Do you -actually- need .3?
[16:50] <nacc> Epx998: rather curious why you need .3?
[16:51] <whislock> Any time I see that, it's some variant of "software maker X says I need this exact version."
[16:51] <whislock> Which is 99.9% of the time not true.
[16:51] <nacc> right, and .3 is not really a thing, it's *maybe* a HWE level
[16:52] <nacc> inasmuch as .3 was just a time when an iso was spun up (iirc)
[16:52] <whislock> Exactly.
[16:52] <nacc> so perhaps they meant they wanted to test that kernel :)
[16:53]  * Ussat slams head into desk
[16:53] <whislock> That seems painful.
[16:54] <Ussat> yup.....so is this issue
[16:54] <nacc> Ussat: did you see if /usr/sbin/logtail2 on that file works manually?
[16:54] <Ussat> no did not try that
[16:55] <Ussat> bah it is useing logtail2
[16:55] <Ussat> LOGTAIL="/usr/sbin/logtail2"
[16:55] <Epx998> NACC: It's for an IBM P9 server with a specific CPU, current stuff doesnt work on it - dev wants specfically some 16.04.3 PPCEL proposed that has some nvidia drivers in it
[16:56] <Epx998> something to that effect, the plea for help from my workmate isnt very clear
[16:56] <nacc> Epx998: oh ppc64el not ppc
[16:56] <nacc> Epx998: that's confusing "ppc64el proposed"?
[16:57] <Epx998> yeah sorry - im being told the ibm p9 with this 2.1 cpu version is locked into this release and a kernel on it
[16:57] <whislock> Epx998: No, it's locked into that kernel.
[16:57] <Epx998> the info from my workmate doesnt feel complete on what hes looking for
[16:57] <nacc> none of that seems right to me
[16:57] <whislock> Epx998: There's no such thing as a "18.04.3" release.
[16:57] <Ussat> manually, it runs fine
[16:57] <whislock> And I am highly suspect of the notion that the .3 kernel works, and the current one doesn't.
[16:57] <Epx998> I am talking 16.04.3
[16:58] <whislock> Epx998: Same idea applies, replace 18 with 16.
[16:58] <Epx998> ppc64el - thats whjat i told him, there was no prposed for that
[16:58] <whislock> There's no such thing as "16.04.3".
[16:58] <whislock> There is 16.04.
[16:58] <nacc> Epx998: so they need the 4.10 kernel?
[16:59] <nacc> Epx998: which didn't get patched for meltdown/spectre??
[16:59] <Ussat> as an IBM shop P9's are not kernel locked to ANYTHING
[16:59] <nacc> dpb1: --^ would you know?
[17:00] <whislock> Epx998: Okay, so there's a lot of experience here saying that your requirement isn't really needed.
[17:01] <Ussat> I run a fairly large P9 install base as well as X86 linux and no
[17:01] <dpb1> no, would need a bug link.
[17:01] <dpb1> hi nacc
[17:01] <nacc> dpb1: heya :)
[17:01] <nacc> dpb1: figured you would be able to more definitively tell us re: p9 support, etc.
[17:02] <dpb1> p9 is supported for sure, if there is an issue, it should be filed as a bug
[17:02] <nacc> dpb1: ack, thanks
[17:29] <Ussat> We have it on 4 LPARS here
[17:52] <pankaj> I am trying to install virtual box guest additions on my virtual machine. I clicked on device tab and downloaded the package but it does not work. Please help me.
[18:33] <pankaj> I have successfully installed virtual box guest additions now and checked with lsmod but it is still not working.
[18:44] <lopta> Is it difficult to install Ubuntu Server onto an md mirror?
[18:49] <pankaj> lopta: What?
[18:50] <nacc> lopta: md is a software construct
[18:50] <lopta> pankaj: Software RAID-1
[18:50] <nacc> lopta: are you asking if you can setup swraid during install?
[18:50] <lopta> nacc: Yes, probably ;-)
[18:51] <pankaj> lopta: I was following a blog on 'techrepublic.com' with topic 'how to install virtualbox guest additions on ubuntu server'. It was successfull till the end and my ubuntu server told me to just restart and everything will be fine but it did not happen. I cannot enjoy full screen.
[18:51] <pankaj> lopta: I am not asking about software RAID now.
[18:52] <lopta> pankaj: I am though.
[18:52] <nacc> lopta: ok, afaik, yes
[18:53] <nacc> lopta: use the old installer not the new one, iirc
[18:53] <whislock> lopta: Requires the use of the "legacy" installer, I believe.
[18:53] <lopta> Thanks whislock
[18:54] <lopta> (and nacc)
[23:38] <runelind_q> how can I disable the HWE kernel and go back to stock 16.04 kernel?
[23:40] <sarnold> runelind_q: there's no explicit instructions I nkow of .. ttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/RollingLTSEnablementStack
[23:41] <sarnold> runelind_q: I think from what I can see on that page I'd try "apt-get install linux-generic linux-generic-hwe-16.04-"
[23:42] <runelind_q> well I had the option in my bootloader for just booting into the 4.4 kernel again, so I'm running that kernel atm.  Should I just uninstall the linux-generic-hwe-16.04?
[23:43] <sarnold> aha, yeah, that sounds good
[23:46] <runelind_q> ok, trying the reboot.


[06:55] <Mirv> Laney: one day later, we're back to clean update_output.txt but now with UITK s390x fixed
[06:55] <Mirv> the familiar packages are still listed there
[07:44] <Trevinho> relase team, could you please unblock the sync from ppas in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text= ?
[07:49] <seb128> Trevinho, it's a SRU team job, not a release team one
[07:49] <seb128> but yeah it would be nice if our main desktop SRUs weren't let sitting in the queue :-)
[07:50] <seb128> though it seems not much have been reviewed for a week, we are feeling that pitti is on holidays :p
[07:52] <Trevinho> seb128: I know... but there's no sru team channel :)
[07:52] <seb128> right, but they are on #ubuntu-devel
[08:01] <seb128> Trevinho, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates has a publishing schedule and arges on shift for today, you might maybe convince him to do some reviews if he's not on vac
[08:02] <Trevinho> yeah, I noticed that... but i guess it's still early for him
[08:03] <seb128> yeah
[08:28] <Laney> Mirv: OK, looking - at least ffmpeg needs to go green
[08:28] <Laney> Seems to be having trouble on armhf, but somebody already retried that
[08:31] <Laney> And vlc too
[08:32] <Mirv> Laney: I retried them yes, but they might be some real problems too
[08:33] <Laney> Yes
[08:34] <Mirv> does that https://code.launchpad.net/~timo-jyrinki/click/dont_use_@_in_testscontrol/+merge/302514 make sense to land? since the packagekit plugin is still mentioned in debian/control, "@" in debian/tests/control is my guess of causing that autopkgtest failure http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#click
[08:36] <Mirv> Laney: anyway, with some copies to yakkety-proposed I just did, and that click branch, I'm officially out of ideas. for example, I don't understand that camitk that doesn't seem to be webp related, and all insighttoolkit4 related rebuilds have been done
[08:36] <Laney> insightoolkit4 isn't in the hint that you're looking at
[08:36] <Laney> there's a bigger one further up
[08:36] <Laney> Which is mainly blocked on ffmpeg and webp stuff as far as I can tell right now
[08:37] <Mirv> oh, ok
[08:37] <Mirv> sil2100: ^ you'll be interested too, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt
[08:37] <Laney> Mirv: do you have access to snakefruit.canonical.com?
[08:38] <Mirv> well I may have fixed some rtaudio migration issues with rebuilds now too, even if maybe unneeded. that's because I was looking at the lower hint and saw jacktrip.
[08:38] <Mirv> Laney: no.
[08:39] <Laney> ok, but you can still use the script I was going to show you at home
[08:39] <Laney> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-archive-tools/update-output-helper/download/head:/updateoutputhelper-20150813155719-m20yfaytzwyju4hk-1/update-output-helper
[08:39] <Laney> this is something I wrote a year or two ago to help with figuring out update_output.txt issues
[08:40] <Laney> do: update-output-helper -u; update-output-helper <the 'trying easy from' hint you are looking at>
[08:40] <Laney> then it gives you an apt command that you put the broken packages into, to see why they aren't installable
[08:41] <Mirv> wow
[08:45] <sil2100> wow
[08:46] <Mirv> the bigger hint section seemed worse since it has more packages uninstallable
[08:46] <Laney> you don't always get to choose though
[08:46] <Laney> if there are entangled transitions
[08:46] <Mirv> with that I can see webp would be involved, but I couldn't decipher the ffmpeg out of it. (I gave the apt command all the hundred+ packages)
[08:47] <Laney> if you are using the script, look at the smaller one
[08:48] <Mirv> (http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/22893716/ is what I got)
[08:48] <Laney> it's easier to try one package at a time
[08:50] <Laney> Mirv: I use it like this https://paste.ubuntu.com/22893833/
[08:50] <Mirv> sure is it if there are not hundreds of them. with the smaller hint section I at least "correctly" (incorrectly) get insighttoolkit, rtaudio, plasma-discover-updater, and libwebp6
[08:50] <Laney> Iterate by adding the packages that it tells you are a problem
[08:51] <Mirv> but that is also incorrect since muon-notifier/muon-updater have already been updated to not depend on the disappearing plasma-discover-updater
[08:52] <Mirv> Laney: right.
[08:55] <Laney> /usr/bin/ld.gold: --secure-plt: unknown option
[08:55] <Laney> what's that?
[08:57] <Mirv> it's a GCC6 feature.
[09:06] <xnox> why use gold?
[09:06] <Mirv> I'm disabling the gold on powerpc because of that for Qt 5, as suggested by do_ko
[09:06] <xnox> Mirv, why are you even use gold anywhere? all/most speed improvements of gold are long time in ld, and thus using gold is pointless everywhere.
[09:07] <xnox> the old dogma that "gold" is so much better, is not quite true any more.
[09:08] <xnox> anyway, /me goes back fighting with firefox
[09:08] <Laney> Trying a test build of ffmpeg on porter-armhf
[09:08] <Laney> don't know about vlc/s390x, looks like it's going to timeout
[09:08] <xnox> i'm still on firefox, so haven't looked into vlc yet.
[09:08] <Laney> doko did an upload to make it use -O2
[09:09] <Laney> but looks like the build is hung to me, no output for 30 minutes or so
[09:09] <Laney> i'll brb
[09:09] <sil2100> Laney: yeah, I see the armhf ffmpeg build dies reliably, one tests core-dumps with a Bus error
[09:10] <Mirv> xnox: I'd need to dig up Debian's git to see if there's any general reason or if it's an old habit
[09:11] <xnox> Mirv, right, also is gold upstream default?
[09:11] <xnox> that would be interesting, if it is.
[09:12] <Mirv> xnox: yes it's the default it seems
[09:12] <Mirv> (if available)
[09:18] <doko> Laney, yes it's this issue, but -O3 is still passed. apparently I didn't read the configury stuff correctly
[09:54] <Laney> doko: alright, thanks
[09:55] <Laney> sil2100: passes on porter-armhf, of course :(
[09:58] <sil2100> :|
[09:58] <sil2100> Now this is annoying
[09:59] <xnox> Laney, porter box is read armhf, builders are arm64 virtual machines....
[09:59] <xnox> *real
[10:02] <Laney> shrug
[10:03] <sil2100> I could try building that in an armhf chroot but that would take ages
[10:03] <Laney> I wonder if I can get access to one of those
[10:03] <Laney> via my autopkgtest account probably
[10:04] <xnox> Laney, if there is arm64 porter box, try armhf chroot on that? (if any are available...)
[10:07] <Mirv> ok click fix, try two now in archives
[10:07] <Laney> xnox: trying to remember how to work lxd :)
[10:08] <xnox> Laney, i have not managed to get lxd work cross-arch =/ it tries to setup network and blows on netlink or some such.
[10:09] <Laney> I think pitti says it sort of works, but is flaky
[10:09] <Laney> maybe enough for this
[10:09] <Mirv> yeah, vlc s390x failed the second time
[10:09] <Mirv> this time claiming ICE though
[10:10] <Laney> same as always
[10:10] <Mirv> oh it was the earlier time too, ok
[10:10] <Mirv> force build on gcc5... not much ideas
[10:11] <Laney> d_oko is on it
[10:11] <Mirv> oh, ok
[10:12] <Laney> xnox: I'm in, muhahaha
[10:20] <Laney> oh yeah, it died
[10:24] <LocutusOfBorg> cjwatson, what about removing haskell-http-link-header on powerpc? it was never built on Debian, it built once for Ubuntu and now it is not building anymore, probably an hw issue on some powerpc machines, I prefer it to be kicked out since the probable patch is in the next ghc
[10:25] <LocutusOfBorg> BTW transition up to level 17 :)
[10:27] <cjwatson> I don't object but I'm buried in other stuff right now.
[10:28] <LocutusOfBorg> I hope any other archive admin can help here ^^ slangasek :)
[10:28] <LocutusOfBorg> I don't want the next haskell-levels to use that binary in some obscure way, and have to remove many of them in the next few days
[10:28] <cjwatson> oh, wait, it's just NBS in -proposed isn't it
[10:28] <cjwatson> that's trivial
[10:28] <LocutusOfBorg> yes
[10:28] <cjwatson> or not NBS but ... whatever
[10:29] <LocutusOfBorg> never went to release
[10:29] <cjwatson> LocutusOfBorg: removed
[10:29] <LocutusOfBorg> ta
[10:30] <cjwatson> BTW I'd recommend retrying build failures before doing unnecessary source uploads
[10:30] <cjwatson> it's not very much effort to check for and it reduces the very large amount of noise on -changes a bit
[10:31] <cjwatson> e.g. haskell-wai-app-static, all architectures had previously failed on 3.1.5-1build3 so you could have just retried them all rather than uploading 3.1.5-1build4
[10:34] <LocutusOfBorg> you are right, not sure how I missed that
[10:34] <LocutusOfBorg> indeed a bug in my script
[10:34] <LocutusOfBorg> thanks, will check
[10:49] <LocutusOfBorg> I usually: copy paste the level from transition tracker, remove the stuff that is not red, cat file |cut -f 1 -d " " |cut -f 1 -d "[" > list
[10:49] <LocutusOfBorg> and then ubuntu-build and rebuild in case
[10:52] <LocutusOfBorg> damn, there seems to be no return value from ubuntu-build :( so I can't just issue a rebuild in case there was no give-back issued
[12:37] <Mirv> sil2100: Laney: this would be readily built in case you come to a conclusion it could be acceptable for now for ffmpeg: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-073/+sourcepub/6792728/+listing-archive-extra
[12:38] <sil2100> Mirv: hm, I would feel bad disabling all the tests just because of one core-dumping
[12:39] <Mirv> right, that's also an option, if there's just one.
[12:49] <Mirv> I don't know though how to query architecture in those .mak files to skip some single alaw related lavftest
[12:50] <Mirv> anyway, those are options if wanted to go forward in trying the migration
[14:45] <Trevinho> arges: hey, you here?
[14:45] <arges> Trevinho: yes
[14:45] <Trevinho> arges: hey
[14:46] <Trevinho> arges: could you review the SRU queue for unity packages?
[14:46] <arges> Trevinho: sure
[14:46] <Trevinho> arges: basically sync from https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1737 and https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1778
[14:46] <Trevinho> arges: thanks
[14:47] <Trevinho> pkg src I care more are frame, compiz and unity.
[15:30] <LocutusOfBorg> damn, I tried haskell-http-conduit in a qemu armhf pbuilder environment, everything is good and testsuite passes
[15:52] <arges> Trevinho: i messed with bug 1350523, just to confirm frame is fixed in yakkety?
[15:53] <Trevinho> arges: yes
[15:54] <arges> Trevinho: and could you add the SRU template to that bug (makes it easier to review) thanks
[15:54] <Trevinho> arges: sure
[15:56] <Trevinho> done
[15:56] <Trevinho> not that it's possible to reproduce it in a certain way...
[16:00] <seb128> Trevinho, well then point to the e.u.c entry or ask to test for no regression at least
[17:04] <bdmurray> tjaalton: I've worked around the libwayland-egl1-mesa issue from bug 1610434 by adding it to the list of metapackages, however now a couple of other packages were not upgraded and I'm not sure whether or not to worry about it.
[19:16] <bdmurray> slangasek: I've found multiple bad translations of a string in ubuntu-release-upgrader which are causing tracebacks e.g. https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/50c8f7b892dd75b531ac7d68a07ec11541387013
[19:17] <slangasek> :/
[19:17] <bdmurray> Is that fixable via an SRU or are the translations separate?
[19:17] <slangasek> bdmurray: do we have some way to detect such mismatches at package build time?
[19:17] <slangasek> I imagine those translations are in ubuntu-release-upgrader, but maybe they're in the langpacks
[19:19] <bdmurray> slangasek: I don't think there is anything currently setup to detect the mismatch.  This does seem like a familiar problem though so how could we do that?
[19:31] <ginggs> hi, would someone remove the armhf binaries from wine-development, please?
[19:38] <sergiusens> arges or slangasek later in the day can you release the lock on snapcraft 2.14/xenial-proposed so it gets to -updates?
[19:39] <arges> sergiusens: i can do it
[19:39] <slangasek> bdmurray: for other format string types (such as C format strings), I know there are tools to check compatibility at build time.  For python format strings I'm not sure what we have; maybe barry or cjwatson would know
[19:40] <slangasek> sergiusens: ^^ your on-call SRU team member for today :)
[19:40] <slangasek> ginggs: what about arm64?
[19:41] <slangasek> ginggs: n/m, I see it's built but not reflected yet on p-m
[19:42] <arges> sergiusens: done
[19:42] <ginggs> slangasek: yup, the builds take a little longer on arm. LP: #1611922 for the reason
[19:43] <slangasek> ginggs: this same version of wine-development appears to have built successfully on armhf in Debian. why do we want it removed instead of fixed?
[19:46] <ginggs> slangasek: it would be great to get it fixed, but i don't see it happening soon
[20:27] <barry> bdmurray, slangasek: you want to extract i18n strings from python code?  modern xgettext should be able to do that, if they're marked with _('')
[20:28] <slangasek> barry: validation that the translations don't have mismatched format strings
[20:28] <slangasek> which is something that we really want to catch at build time instead of tripping over at runtime
[20:29] <slangasek> I know we've hardened LP translation support against this sort of problem before, but don't know if/how it applies in the python case
[20:29] <barry> i thought msgfmt did that, but it's been a while
[20:35] <Saviq> can someone please restart the regressions here with all-proposed https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/static/britney/ticket-1771/landing-001-yakkety/excuses.html? it's still Qt 5.6 migration that didn't happen
[21:19] <cjwatson> slangasek: right, msgfmt checks this provided that xgettext detected it as a format string and emitted an appropriate flag in the .po file
[21:19] <cjwatson> .pot file I mean
[21:21]  * cjwatson pokes around
[21:26] <cjwatson> No python-format flag there ...
[21:30] <cjwatson> Ah, it's because xgettext doesn't know which language check-new-release-gtk is in
[21:30] <cjwatson> Maybe
[21:34] <cjwatson> I see at least one oops there (for hr) that was fixed in lp:ubuntu-release-upgrader on 2015-02-12, so there may be something to look into there too
[21:37] <cjwatson> slangasek,barry: right, so with http://paste.ubuntu.com/22958656/, that string is correctly marked as fuzzy once the translation files are updated in the usual way, which will cause it not to be used
[21:38] <cjwatson> slangasek,barry: however somebody should look at how to sort it out properly for the other Python programs in that package, which don't all have convenient .py symlinks that we can abuse for this purpose :)
[21:38] <cjwatson> bdmurray: ^-
[21:47] <tjaalton> bdmurray: ok, I'll have a look tomorrow
[21:47] <bdmurray> tjaalton: thease the packages that weren't upgraded - http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/22929072/
[21:48] <bdmurray> tjaalton: e.g. xserver-xorg-video-r128-lts-vivid was installed but the same lts-xenial package didn't get installed
[21:50] <tjaalton> bdmurray: mouse is no more, and r128/mach64 were not part of -video-all in wily either
[21:51] <bdmurray> tjaalton: but they were in utopic/vivid though right?
[21:52] <tjaalton> probably
[21:53] <bdmurray> I think the object of HWE support is to get people off the lts-u/v/w (which they'd have if they just installed from 14.04.2...) packages on to lts-x.
[21:58] <tjaalton> actually the metapackages were identical in vivid/wily
[21:59] <bdmurray> What are the metapackages for the HWE stack then?
[21:59] <tjaalton> utopic didn't pull r128 either
[21:59] <tjaalton> xserver-xorg-video-all-lts-foo
[22:03] <tjaalton> oh, it's -ati that depends on r128/mach64
[22:03] <tjaalton> guess apt is just stupid then
[22:04] <bdmurray> the hwe support code doesn't have xserver-xorg-video-all-lts-foo as a metapackage, adding that will probably fix things up
[22:04] <tjaalton> or maybe because the depends were demoted to Suggests
[22:04] <tjaalton> what support code?
[22:04] <tjaalton> xserver-xorg-lts-foo should pull it
[22:04] <tjaalton> and -input-all-lts-foo
[22:05] <bdmurray> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/update-manager/main/view/head:/hwe-support-status#L51
[22:07] <bdmurray> well, if xserver-xorg-lts-foo should pull it in, I don't know what happened...
[22:08] <tjaalton> it's fine to not pull in -r128/-mach64
[22:08] <bdmurray> it's fine to remove the vivid version and not pull in the xenial version?
[22:08] <tjaalton> the reason was that -ati demoted the depends to suggests
[22:09] <tjaalton> i bet noone has such hw
[22:09] <tjaalton> mach64 is from -94
[22:09] <bdmurray> okay, I just don't want to strand someone
[22:10] <tjaalton> r128 (for Rage) is 95-99
[22:18] <slangasek> "i bet no one has such hw"> too late for that thought
[22:18] <slangasek> if that was our position we should have not shipped those binary packages at all in the hwe stacks
[22:18] <slangasek> since we *have* created them, we should make sure anyone who has installed them, rightly or wrongly, gets the correct upgrade path
[22:25] <tjaalton> so a new -ati-lts-xenial then?
[22:30] <tjaalton> bdmurray: probably needs a new bug
[22:30] <tjaalton> for sru
[22:32] <bdmurray> tjaalton: I'll submit the bug shortly
[22:33] <infinity> tjaalton: If that's where the deps came from, yeah.
[22:33] <infinity> bdmurray: The upgrader should probably also be making sure video-all and input-all are installed.  Consider it similar to how we ensure flavour-desktop is installed after release upgrade, just a sanity check.
[22:41] <tjaalton> bdmurray: should I wait or upload it tomorrow?-)
[22:42] <bdmurray> tjaalton: your tomorrow works for me
[22:44] <tjaalton> cool
[22:46] <infinity> bdmurray: The other options is dpkg -l \*-lts-wily | gawk '/^ii/ {print gsub("-lts-wily","-lts-xenial",$2); print $2}' | xargs apt-get install
[22:46] <infinity> bdmurray: Which is gross, but also catches the weird virtualbox-lts-* junk.
[22:47] <infinity> Oh, that should be /^.i/ not /^ii/
[22:53] <bdmurray> tjaalton: bug 1611982


[01:00] <wolfslord> racarr, How can I help you with the work item "In process EGL"?
[01:51] <racarr> wolfslord: Hi!
[01:51] <racarr> Hmm it's hard to explain right now. it's close to done actually but blocked on figuring out some weird issues in jenkins environment for prepare-for-inprocess-egl-branch
[01:52] <racarr> the idea is about, allowing to create an EGLContext from a seperate thread bound to a mir surface in process
[01:52] <racarr> and render like a client, but in process
[01:52] <racarr> this of course, for the shell
[01:53] <racarr> I don't know how to split it up in to seperate tasks right now. The idea is the prepare-for-inproces-egl branch changes the (Mir)EGLNativeDisplay type from MirConnection to this "NativeDisplay" structure which has several callbacks (surface_advance_buffer, surface_get_parameters), etc.
[01:54] <racarr> then in prepare-for-inprocess-egl the client library, is modified to create this native display structure with functions pointing to client library based impementations
[01:54] <racarr> so the next step (once the issue with landing prepare-for-inproces-egl is unblocked, so this can proceed somewhat without it)
[01:56] <racarr> is to implement a server side version of MirMesaEGLNativeDisplay, with callbacks that work in terms of the in process server interfaces
[01:56] <racarr> There is already one around in the branch mentioned here though https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1122388 (demo-shell-with-egl-abstraction)
[01:56] <racarr> err. bug setting failure :/
[01:57] <racarr> anyway, it's absically done just a matter of landing the code in the right order and figuring out this
[01:57] <racarr> jenkins failure
[01:57] <racarr> so I can't think of a sub task or anything to give you :(
[04:23] <wolfslord> So which ubuntu version exactly is recommended to dev MiR?
[04:24] <RAOF> wolfslord: Raring
[04:26] <wolfslord> RAOF, Thank you. I had a problem with my system and I'm going to reinstall so that's why I asked :)
[07:46] <bochecha_> hi, I'm developing a new IBus input method engine for Hong Kong people, and with the recent Mir announcement I'm wondering if I should bother spending time to make it work well on Ubuntu
[07:46] <bochecha_> what particularly confuses me is this statement in the MirSpec page:
[07:46] <bochecha_> We have looked at multiple candidate input stacks and have chosen the one included in Android for its efficiency, clear design and flexibility.
[07:46] <bochecha_> "input stack" is a bit vague, so just do be clear: does it mean that Ubuntu is moving away from IBus?
[07:47] <bochecha_> (not that there is anything inherently wrong with it, but I'd just like to know how to prioritize the platforms I will be working on)
[07:54] <tvoss> bochecha_, we are looking into the different input method (protocols) and IBus is on our list. But we would be happy to work together with you and identify your requirements. In general though: making your new engine work on Ubuntu would be great
[07:59] <bochecha_> tvoss: well, my requirements are simple: a running IBus daemon :)
[08:00] <bochecha_> if Ubuntu moves away from IBus, then my engine just won't run, and I will have one less platform to care about (yay, less work! :P)
[08:03] <tvoss> bochecha_, @ibus daemon: that's easy enough :) for your question on the input stack: we are not moving away from iBus, the input stack refers to the low-level event process from evdev
[08:03] <bochecha_> oh, I see
[16:57] <Leyland> Hello, I have some questions. Is anyone working on a 'mir client over X' library for development of mir clients with out leaving the comfort of an X desktop? Are there things that would make such a library impossible? Are there any major changes expected for the mir client interface, is it a good time for toolkit integration? If I am not here please respond anyway, I will look at the logs later, thanks!
[17:16] <Pajn> One thing I wonder about Mir is if it's going to recreate all work done by Wayland or if it only will support a subset of Waylands features?
[17:16] <Pajn> This is because of the wery narrow time frame that have been set
[17:17] <Pajn> Wayland have been developed for far longer and whit Canonicals daily QA it should take even longer
[17:18] <Pajn> Is there any margins in the time frame for unexpected happenings?
[17:29] <Leyland> I would love to see a more comprehensive comparison of wayland and mir, rather then the knee jerk reactions I've been reading lately, but oh well. May the X server replacement that garners the most hardware support win!
[17:55] <alan_g> Leyland, I don't know of anyone working on a 'mir client over X' - it would be interesting, but probably just achieve the "worst of both worlds".
[17:56] <alan_g> Wayland and mir are very different things - A Wayland (the protocol) implementation using mir (the library) could happen.


[07:01] <pitti> Good morning
[07:30] <DanChapman> good morning all
[07:31] <forestpiskie> morning DanChapman
[07:32] <DanChapman> morning elfy's alter ego
[07:35] <elfy> morning DanChapman :)
[07:36] <DanChapman> it's like magic!!  How are you? have fun at the sprint last week?
[09:22] <pitti> DanChapman: yes indeed, it was intense but very good
[09:25] <elfy> pitti: oh - that's something I've never afforded to get ;)
[09:35] <pitti> elfy: afforded what, jetlag? :-)
[15:51] <elopio> good morning team.
[15:56] <pitti> hey elopio, how are you? had a good trip back home?
[15:57] <elopio> pitti: yes, it was nice. I am ready today after sleeping the whole sunday :)
[15:57] <elopio> how about you?
[15:58] <pitti> haha
[15:58] <davmor2> elopio: Hey dude lucky you with your full day sleeping :)
[15:58] <pitti> elopio: still a bit zombie-like due to jetlag, but mostly ok; flight was uneventful
[16:01] <elopio> sleeping is a nice thing to do, you should try it some time :D
[16:01] <elopio> but now I'm looking at the TODO list I brought from the sprint, and luck is over, jaja.
[16:02] <davmor2> elopio: That's why I don't sleep, it's easier to live without than a huge todo list :D
[16:06] <balloons> hey pitti and elopio. I slept all day as well, but I'm still tired, go figure :-)
[16:06] <elopio> go back to bed people!
[16:12] <senan> balloons, Hi.. good eve
[16:12] <balloons> howdy senan
[16:12] <senan> balloons, going good...thanks..how about you
[16:13] <balloons> senan, trying to recover from traveling :-)
[16:13] <senan> balloons, I would like to automate Deja-dup
[16:13] <senan> :)
[16:14] <balloons> how is https://code.launchpad.net/~senan/ubuntu-autopilot-tests/DiskUsageAnalyser/+merge/207716?
[16:15] <senan> balloons, I'm not sure..yesterday Dan said he will look into it and update
[16:16] <senan> balloons, I've done everything dan suggested
[16:16] <senan> balloons, can you take a look at it >
[16:16] <senan> ?
[16:27] <balloons> senan, in a meeting for a bit, not sure if you'll still be around, but I can look then
[16:27] <balloons> if not you can get the review when you awake :-)
[16:27] <senan> balloons, ok balloons thanks :D
[16:28] <balloons> senan, a quick scan shows me there is still a sleep(2) in there -- why's that/
[16:29] <senan> balloons, because of some menu clicking problem..without that the menu was not identifying properly
[16:29] <balloons> senan, I see these 3 lines appearing over and over: self.pointing_device.move_to_object(self.gear_menu_option_button) self.pointing_device.click() sleep(2)
[16:32] <senan> balloons,I'm sorry I didnt get you
[17:10] <balloons> senan, I was saying those three lines are common in many of your functions, and they include a sleep. I assume it's a common action, you could probably have a little function for
[17:11]  * DanChapman thinks compiz definately hates him today :-( endless crashing
[17:11] <balloons> hey DanChapman ;-) Sorry compiz is giving you extra love
[17:11] <balloons> on a happy note, I'm on my primary pc again!
[17:12] <senan> balloons, I'm trying without sleep..its working fine without sleep :D
[17:12] <cgoldberg> balloons, senan.. i just commented in that MP.. I'd love to have a "no sleeps" rule for testcase developers if possible
[17:12] <DanChapman> balloons: indeed it is being extremely loving, it won't stop winking at me
[17:12] <balloons> senan, :-) We can tweak things if it's a timing issue.. sleep shouldn't be needed
[17:13] <balloons> cgoldberg, ty
[17:13] <DanChapman> balloons: Yay bet your glad to be back on it :-)
[17:13] <cgoldberg>  (except if it's till brooklyn)
[17:13] <balloons> the list of stuff to look at is large, heh,but yes it's nice
[17:14] <DanChapman> cgoldberg: balloons thanks for sorting senan out, i just havn't had time to get to it, i did try yesterday but was brain fried by that time
[17:16] <senan> DanChapman,balloons,cgoldberg : I've pushed the new code without sleep :D
[17:30] <DanChapman> jibel did you make any changes to the ubiquity tests, i noticed in backlogs you were going to try disabling Ubuntu SSO or something?
[17:30] <senan> DanChapman,balloons,cgoldberg , Please review and let me know your suggestions :)
[17:33] <balloons> DanChapman, last I heard/saw from jibel he managed to go through the installer without launching the ubuntu one screen. I'm forgetting again the env var he passed, hah, but you can avoid the screen
[17:33] <balloons> I think he had success (compiz was crashing locally for him on verficiation)
[17:35] <DanChapman> balloons, cool well the test's are failing because it never gets to the U1 page so i was wondering if I either need to disable that part running or something else is wrong.
[17:38] <DanChapman> balloons, could you confirm bug 1283966 for me. I came across it trying to reproduce the jenkins fails with a simple testcase. I'm not sure if it's what's causing the fails but it's a bug none the less.
[17:39]  * DanChapman just wants the tests passing now :-(
[19:35] <balloons> DanChapman, ohh so you are still looking for the u1 page to appear? probably worth catching up with jibel on as to what all happened.
[19:36] <balloons> DanChapman, I'll look at the bug.. oO a simple testcase to reproduce, most excellent
[20:02] <balloons> Letozaf_, buonasera! come stai?
[20:02] <Letozaf_> balloons, buonasera, io sto bene e tu ? :D
[20:03] <balloons> happy to be home finally ;-)
[20:03] <Letozaf_> balloons, yeah home is always best place to be :D
[20:04] <Letozaf_> balloons, I am stuck on reminders-app cannot install it again anymore :( so I have not carried on with tests
[20:13] <bfiller> balloons: any idea why this StateNotFoundError is happening? All of the dialer-app AP test failures are related to this: http://ci.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/mako/206:20140224:20140224/6796/dialer_app/813414/
[20:19] <balloons> bfiller, looking at the test, it appears the call button press didn't register, or somehow it didn't otherwise display the hangup button
[20:20] <balloons> StateNotFoundError errors can be timing issues, but in this case it seems like the button simply didn't exist
[20:20] <balloons> Letozaf_, so on the reminders app, you should be able to run it locally.. But still, I wonder if we can fix your install issue
[20:22] <balloons> bfiller, so in this case the test could be enhanced to be more clear about what happened when it fails. If pressing the call button failed, it should be more explicit. As it is, you can't really know
[20:23] <Letozaf_> balloons, I cannot run it, for instance if I launch autopilot launch -i Qt qmlscene ../../src/app/qml/reminders.qml   I get: file:///home/letozaf/autopilot-tests/new-reminders-app-tests/src/app/qml/reminders.qml:24 module "Evernote" is not installed
[20:24]  * balloons looks
[20:24] <bfiller> balloons: did a new autopilot get released recently?
[20:24] <bfiller> these are new failures
[20:25] <balloons> bfiller, LOTS of new stuff went into this past image. I'm not sure when exactly autopilot landed, but yes a new ap went in. Autopilot would not be on the top of my list of suspects. I would be more concerned about a MIR change or another low level lib change causing this.
[20:26] <balloons> my offhand guess as I said is that the click didn't register for the dial
[20:26] <balloons> and thus, if you run it locally it probably runs fine right?
[20:27] <bfiller> balloons: yes it did
[20:28] <balloons> so that means the UI was hung enough to the point it didn't get the click from the test
[20:29] <balloons> So bfiller when I mentioned enhancing the test, essentially I would add an assert after you click the dial button so we could pinpoint that as the failure
[20:29] <balloons> and in this case, it wouldn't point to an app problem, but instead something in the platform
[20:31] <balloons> Letozaf_, ok, so I re-created your problem locally :-)
[20:32] <balloons> ok, yep I think this is an easy fix
[20:33] <Letozaf_> balloons, I suppose I have to install the Evernote module, how do you do it ?
[20:34] <Letozaf_> balloons, account-plugin-evernote is already installed
[20:34] <balloons> Letozaf_, dependencies should take care of it. It appears qtdeclarative5-evernote0.1 isn't anywhere to be found
[20:35] <balloons> I suspect it simply needs to be built and pushed to the ppa
[20:35] <Letozaf_> balloons, oh! I thought I could fix it :P
[20:36]  * balloons looking at https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/reminders-app/account-plugin/+merge/203952
[20:47] <balloons> Letozaf_, trying a local build out
[20:47] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok
[20:49] <balloons> if it works I'll at least be able to hand you a deb to install, but working on getting it package properly too :-)
[20:49] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok thanks
[20:50] <balloons> Letozaf_, as far as I can tell, they merged the plugin into the reminders branch, but it's not being built and pushed to the ppa, so the dependency can't resolve, and hence you can't install it
[20:51] <Letozaf_> balloons, you could write this in the bug I opened :)
[20:52] <Letozaf_> balloons, so maybe it will get fixed
[20:53] <balloons> Letozaf_, problem has been found :-)
[20:53] <balloons> I'll update the bug
[20:53] <Letozaf_> balloons, great, thanks
[20:53] <Letozaf_> balloons, bug 1280459 if you need the bug no.
[20:57] <balloons> soon enough i'll have a deb, the build is looking good too :-)
[20:57] <Letozaf_> balloons, :)
[20:58] <balloons> Letozaf_, http://people.canonical.com/~nskaggs/qtdeclarative5-evernote0.1_0.4bzr73trusty0_all.deb
[20:58] <balloons> manually install that, you should be all set
[20:59] <Letozaf_> balloons, I will now
[21:04] <Letozaf_> balloons, so qtdeclaratives installed and so did reminders-app but now when I run autopilot launch... I get: ** (qmlscene:4890): WARNING **: Unable to register app: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.InvalidArgs: Invalid application ID
[21:04] <Letozaf_> balloons, :( no luck
[21:05] <Letozaf_> balloons, reminders app doesn't start properly. I get the icon in the launcher but the app is not opened
[21:06] <balloons> great, running reminders gives me http://people.canonical.com/~nskaggs/qtdeclarative5-evernote0.1_0.4bzr73trusty0_all.deb
[21:06] <balloons> err file:///home/nskaggs/projects/ubuntutouch/reminders-app/qml/reminders.qml: File not found
[21:07] <balloons> I just claimed I would get installed :-)
[21:07] <balloons> ohh, actually I know why it fails too I think
[21:07] <Letozaf_> balloons, :) well you tried
[21:10] <balloons> nvm.. so it's simply broken :-(
[21:10] <Letozaf_> balloons,  :-(
[21:26] <balloons> Letozaf_, does autopilot launch -i Qt qmlscene src/app/qml/reminders.qml work for you?
[21:26] <Letozaf_> balloons, no reminders app icon appears in the launcher but the app does not open
[21:28] <balloons> same, I'll reach out to the devs.. We'll try and get this all sorted
[21:28] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok thanks
[21:29] <balloons> I'll try as well quickly, messing with cmake file :-)
[21:32] <Letozaf_> balloons, click: error: directory "/tmp/tmp.Mr3tSEplmR" does not contain manifest file "manifest.json"
[21:32] <Letozaf_> cp: cannot stat '*.click': No such file or directory
[21:32] <Letozaf_> cannot stat '*.click': No such file or directory
[21:32] <balloons> Letozaf_, click-buddy? you need cmake enabled for it to work
[21:33] <Letozaf_> balloons, ok
[21:34] <balloons> so you need to have the code from trunk, that has the changes it in to add cmake files
[21:38] <Letozaf_> balloons, but I suppose this won't help as the app does not work anyway, right ?


[02:36] <drkokandy> should we try to schedule a Mansfield Ubuntu Hour before the holidays Cheri703 ?
[02:53] <Cheri703> that'd be good :) I have no idea when though
[02:54] <drkokandy> lol
[02:54] <drkokandy> good point
[03:47] <Cheri703> I will take a look at my schedule
[03:53] <drkokandy> most days work pretty well for me, but again the soonest I could get there any night would probably be 5:45 or 6
[04:22] <Cheri703> k, I'll take a look
[18:48] <jandrusk> paultag: I know; I was trying to get him worked up.
[20:57] <thafreak> so...
[20:57] <thafreak> i have 4 samsung drives in a raid
[20:58] <thafreak> one is possibly dying
[20:58] <thafreak> and I can't buy samsung drives anymore...
[20:58] <thafreak> so do I replace just the one dying drive with like a WD...
[20:58] <thafreak> or replace all 4
[21:04] <thafreak> if I replace all 4...what do I do with 3 older drives...
[21:19] <canthus13> thafreak: sell them on ebay.
[21:46] <thafreak> do people buy used hard drives on ebay?
[22:03] <canthus13> yep.


[02:35] <Tom47> i was wondering is there any documentation that an administrator might refer to eg ... how to limit internet access?
[02:37] <Tom47> i suppose thats two questions .... ok one at a time ...
[02:37] <RichEd> Tom47: limit in what way ?
[02:37] <Tom47> how do you limit/manage/control thin client internet access?
[02:37] <RichEd> that is not really an o/s or Ubuntu function, it comes more under 3rd party filtering
[02:38] <Tom47> ummm it woul be a real issue for a school though ....
[02:38] <RichEd> oh ... I see what you mean now ... but that would really again be done against the user logged in, regardless of what sort of workstation i.e. fat / thin
[02:38] <Tom47> thin
[02:39] <RichEd> i mean that fat or thin is not the issue, it would be against user logged in ...
[02:39] <Tom47> yes true but would apply to classes of users eg students, employeess, etc
[02:39] <Tom47> yes riched sorry i misread yu initially
[02:40] <RichEd> I'm guessing that you'd use a firewall / proxy programme, looking at each user by login name ...
[02:41] <RichEd> so if BobC logged in from the LAB using a thin client today, and then via a fat client in the library tomorrow, you'd want both sessions to be logged, stats accumulated etc. against the user
[02:41] <Tom47> wouldn't a school want to implement policies thoughwhich applied to everyone rather than needing to set up each sudent individually?
[02:42] <RichEd> so you'd make a policy for "members of the group students" another for "members of the group staff" and add user BobC to the group students
[02:42] <RichEd> i think there may be some ideas on this in the wiki ... let me do a quick search
[02:45] <Tom47> ok ty
[02:55] <RichEd> Tom47: this is the best I can find at the moment ...
[02:55] <RichEd> try ogra when he wakes up again later
[02:55] <Tom47> ok ty
[11:11] <ogra> Tom47, for professional solitions (i.e. standalone firewall machine) we have smootwall on the server addon CD ... you can just install a commandline system on a spare machine with two NICs and install smothwall on top ...
[11:11] <ogra> if you want filtering directly on the server have a look at willow (its in universe)
[11:12] <ogra> (not sure about its status though)
[11:13] <Amaranth> definitely proof-of-concept
[11:13] <Amaranth> much more work than i had expected
[11:15] <ogra> Amaranth, well, white/blacklisting works, no ?
[11:15] <Amaranth> yeah
[11:16] <Amaranth> except the error pages you get instead don't
[11:16] <ogra> i think thats the main concern for schools
[11:16] <ogra> even though you shouldnt run firewals on a server anyway :)
[12:25] <rYu> uhm..
[12:26] <rYu> anyone here?
[12:39] <`6og> hi :)
[01:48] <rYu> uhm..
[02:31] <Tom47> ogra what is the thinking behind non-running of firewalls on the server?
[02:42] <ogra> Tom47, well, a firewall is a security barrier
[02:42] <ogra> you dont even want user accounts on such a thing if you want real security
[02:42] <Tom47> oic
[02:43] <Tom47> i just installed willow ..... now to get it to run !!!!
[02:43] <Tom47> ok
[02:44] <ogra> you usually also dont install any stuff beyond what you need ... i.e. no compiler so hackers dont have opportunities to change binaries in case they break in etc
[02:44] <Tom47> the thing we are trying to achieve here is basically to continue to allow access to the net from the server for software updates ec but prevent user browsers from going anywhere but to the apps on the server
[02:45] <Tom47> yes ... ok .... am only setting out on the pth to server wisdom and appreciat the insight
[02:46] <Tom47> the main browser app on the server is one based on tomcat/mtsql and i would like it isolated from exernal access as well
[02:46] <Tom47> mysql
[02:48] <`6og> Tom47, make it run on loopback
[02:49] <Tom47> it is presently accessed via <IP_ADDRESS>:81880 ... is that what you mean by 'on the loopback' ?
[02:50] <Tom47> 8180*
[02:51] <`6og> make it run on any 127.*.*.* address
[02:51] <Tom47> ok right yes ty and that stops any external access ?
[02:51] <`6og> should do
[03:16] <lu> hi
[03:17] <lu> someone helpme to configure wifi -wpa ?
[03:29] <lu> there's someone ?
[03:30] <Tom47> yes but my speciality is asking questions at this stage of my knowledge of edubuntu specifics
[03:39] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:56] <sgonzalez> I'm trying to connect my edubuntu servers to Active Directory. I need to install kerberos (krb5-user) to do this, but when I try to install it, I get an error that it depend on krb5-config and that is not installable. Anyone have any ideas why?
[04:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> sgonzalez, what version of ubuntu?
[04:58] <sgonzalez> edubuntu 7.04
[04:59] <sgonzalez> I did this same process using ubuntu 6.06 and it worked great. I'm fairly new to Linux, so I don't understand why packages won't install.
[04:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> sgonzalez, the package may have been made "badly"
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> i havent used 704, so i'm still trying to decide if i'll be any use *heh*
[05:00] <sgonzalez> KK: besides googling looking for others' experiences and chats like this, any way to know if it actually works?
[05:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> sgonzalez, can you give me the exact error your getting?
[05:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> according to packages.ubuntu.com both packages exist, so i'm trying to work out the root of the problem
[05:01] <sgonzalez> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:01] <sgonzalez> krb5-user: Depends: krb5-config but it is not installable.
[05:02] <sgonzalez> E: broken packages
[05:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> sgonzalez, try and install krb5-config on its own
[05:03] <sgonzalez> Errors out saying...
[05:03] <sgonzalez> E: package krb5-config has no installation candidate
[05:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> sgonzalez, run 'sudo apt-get update' then try again (could you pastebin the output of apt-get update and of your /etc/apt/sources.list too)
[05:06] <sgonzalez> ARGH! My network is down for some reason. Maybe that's my problem (I'm chatting from a different machine) Give me a minute to check this out.
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe. np
[05:12] <sgonzalez> Well, I did mess up my gw setting, but after fixing it still can't install krb5-user or config. I don't know how to do a pastebin... can you tell me how?
[05:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> !paste
[05:13] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> have a look there ^^
[05:16] <sgonzalez> alright... it's pasted at paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30553
[05:23] <sgonzalez> I added my sources.list and now it's at 30554.
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> i hate my internet
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> sgonzalez, has anything been said after <Kamping_Kaiser> sgonzalez, wth? their both in universe :S. could you pastebin  your /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> ?
[05:43] <sgonzalez> It's there too... it's at pate.ubuntu-nl.org/30554
[05:44] <sgonzalez> Don't hate your internet :(
[06:02] <Burgundavia> stgraber: can I ask why you are rewriting the student control panel? /me is baffled
[06:03] <cbx33> Burgundavia, afaik stgraber isnt going to any more
[06:03] <Burgundavia> right
[06:03] <Burgundavia> somebody talked him out of it?
[06:03] <cbx33> we're going to collab to make tcm better
[06:03] <cbx33> afaik
[06:03] <cbx33> how are you anywho Burgundavia
[06:03] <cbx33> been a while since we last spoke
[06:03] <Burgundavia> pretty good
[06:03] <cbx33> cool
[06:04] <Burgundavia> register for courses on monday
[06:04] <cbx33> oh?
[06:05] <Burgundavia> yep, headed back to school\
[06:06] <cbx33> what ya doin?
[06:06] <cbx33> hey I would if i could
[06:06] <cbx33> back to uni that is to do Comp Sci
[06:06] <Burgundavia> Geography
[06:07] <Burgundavia> foresight? the linux distro?
[06:55] <Burgundavia> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-edu/2007-07/msg00001.html
[07:29] <LaserJock> blah, is ogra not here?
[07:30] <Burgundavia> I have  ogra has quit (Remote closed the connection)
[07:30] <Burgundavia> two minutes before you arrived
[07:30] <LaserJock> for goodness sakes
[07:30] <LaserJock> that's my luck
[07:32] <LaserJock> sbalneav: you around?
[07:59] <CaPsULe> hillo 2 everybody
[08:00] <CaPsULe> i need driver
[08:33] <cliebow> LaserJock, isnt he flying to the U.S?
[08:33] <LaserJock> oh, that could be
[08:33] <cliebow> he said something about "stuck in Philly"
[08:33] <cliebow> for 4 hours
[08:34] <LaserJock> oh, he might be off to
[08:34] <LaserJock> Ubuntu Live
[08:34] <sbalneav> LaserJock: are you talkin' to me?
[08:34] <LaserJock> sbalneav: any work on docs lately?
[08:34] <sbalneav> None.
[08:35] <sbalneav> When's my cut-off date?
[08:35] <LaserJock> sbalneav: and hi!
[08:36] <LaserJock> sbalneav: not for some time yet
[08:36] <LaserJock> but we need to have a little early action at some point ;-)
[08:36] <sbalneav> heh
[08:36] <sbalneav> well, I could start documenting the changes to LDM I suppose.
[08:37] <sbalneav> I've got a LOT of LDM work to do this weekend (been slacking off) so I'll add that to the mix.
[08:37] <LaserJock> np, just doing periodic pokes to make sure people are still alive :-)
[09:06] <RichEd> hey LaserJock & sbalneav ...
[09:06] <LaserJock> RichEd!
[09:06] <sbalneav> Hey RichEd
[09:06] <RichEd> yep ... ogra is winging his way across the big puddle in a parrafin budgie
[09:07] <RichEd> will see oliver tomorrow some time ... when he should be online again
[09:07] <LaserJock> RichEd: oh man, I wish I could have made it
[09:07] <LaserJock> for multiple reasons
[09:08] <LaserJock> but it's expensive and I probably shouldn't take any time off of work
[09:08] <RichEd> LaserJock: I don't it is such a "participant event" so much as a "show the potential clients"
[09:09] <LaserJock> yes
[09:09] <LaserJock> I'm supposed to be there "selling" a book
[09:09] <RichEd> we'd prefer you to R&R and recharge ...
[09:09] <RichEd> oh ...
[09:09] <RichEd> speaking of R&R what are you doing on IRC ?
[09:09] <LaserJock> I was looking for IRC
[09:09] <LaserJock> I haven't gotten any email from you or ogra for days
[09:10] <LaserJock> and you guys weren't here for the Edubuntu meeting yesterday
[09:10] <LaserJock> so I thought I'd pop in and see what's going on
[09:10] <LaserJock> RichEd: yes, yes
[09:10] <stgraber> LaserJock: not a lot of people was tbh :)
[09:10] <LaserJock> stgraber: more than usual
[09:10] <LaserJock> I counted 5 people
[09:11] <RichEd> LaserJock: orga was supposed to chair it ... I am in the company strat meetings now ... and was transatlanticing myself during the meeting time
[09:11] <LaserJock> yeah, makes sense
[09:11] <stgraber> :), right usual = ogra, riched, you and me listening (sometimes after the meeting itself)
[09:11] <LaserJock> RichEd you guys need to email edubuntu-devel when you're going away ;-)
[09:11] <RichEd> Tue 6pm UTC+2 -> Thursday 10pm PDT ... ughh
[09:12] <RichEd> LaserJock: I assumed ogra would be there ... I did ask him to lead
[09:12] <LaserJock> anyway, I sidestepped ogra and got another MOTU to look over my package
[09:12] <stgraber> Tribe-3 release time was quite late and I think ogra took some rest afterwards :)