[00:01] <Ghostly> PJSingh5000, ...strange i can not find anything related to java there -.-
[00:02] <dr_willis> YuriRev01: you want only one user that can ssh in?
[00:02] <YuriRev01> yes that user being me the owner
[00:02] <gener1c> god damn it
[00:02] <gener1c> my qt is too old to compile the prog i want
[00:02] <gener1c> :(
[00:03] <dr_willis> YuriRev01: sshd configs can do that i belive
[00:03] <PJSingh5000> Ghostly, Then the item must be under /usr/share/...
[00:03] <bjrohan> Is there a Keep alive feature for wifi in Ubuntu that will keep it connected even when logged out?
[00:04] <Ghostly> PJSingh5000, ...digging around thanks for the help so far :D
[00:04] <drRocktopus_> is there a way to see if you have made a connection to the ubuntu server via SSH before you type in password?
[00:05] <dr_willis> bjrohan: mine does that by default
[00:05] <YuriRev01> how do i use sshd
[00:05] <PJSingh5000> bjrohan, this is a fair and reasonable request.  I am about to log-out to test my user wall paper.  While I am on the log-in page, I'm going to see if I can select a network from the Network Manager applet at the top right.  I'll let you know, (if you haven't tried this already).
[00:06] <bjrohan> PJSingh5000: dr_willis: I know mine does not stay on, When logged in, I can ping and SSH into that computer, When logged out, computer on beside me, I can't get a ping return or log in
[00:07] <adamsilver> will this usb stick work on pc as well: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx ?
[00:08] <jrib> !ssh | YuriRev01
[00:09] <dr_willis> bjrohan: weird. i just powerup and ssh in.
[00:10] <dr_willis> bjrohan: i thiught you can login to wireless at the lightdm screen also
[00:10] <dr_willis> im not even running a dm.
[00:10] <cads> hey guys
[00:11] <cads> can I make a bootable ubuntu USB device out of a smart phone?
[00:11] <xisor> hi i seem to be having a problem installing , or even booting a live disc/usb of ubuntu on my system
[00:13] <xisor> can anyone help me figure out how to fix it? i get the boot menu via usb just fine, but when i select an option, the screen goes all white and corrupted
[00:13] <xisor> its continuing to boot, but i get no display
[00:13] <PJSingh5000> I'm back.  Don't remember who was asking about the wi-fi network connection being active when logged out, but I see that you can select your network connection from the Network Manager on the log-in screen.  However, if you have a download occurring and you log out, I'd bet the download would be disrupted when you log out.
[00:14] <xisor> guess nobody can help =/
[00:15] <PJSingh5000> xisor, I think the installer can't handle your graphics display.
[00:15] <xisor> its a geforce 8700M
[00:16] <xisor> its a laptop
[00:16] <xisor> it does the same thing if i install with wubi, once it reboots it goes wonky and corrupted
[00:16] <PJSingh5000> xisor, When I had this problem, I had to pick some "edit comand" option and then I had to enter some parameter telling the installer which VGA mode to use.  Sorry, I don't remember more.
[00:16] <xisor> :(
[00:16] <YuriRev01> is there and commands to use a key for ssh im new to linux and not understanding
[00:17] <xisor> so i cant try out ubuntu
[00:17] <YuriRev01> i can read files but not write
[00:17] <dev_> does anyone know when steam will be released for linux
[00:17] <dev_> ?
[00:17] <blime> PJSingh5000, xisor: if you feed it vga=  with nothing defined, it'll provide a list of vga modes
[00:18] <xisor> can i feed it that with wubi? its not just the installer, wubi gives the same result
[00:18] <blime> xisor: i don't know anything about wubi
[00:18] <xisor> im assuming the problem is that the freeware driver cant understand how to drive my laptop display?
[00:18] <xisor> the open source driver i mean
[00:19] <YuriRev01> also how would i set the server to a static ip
[00:19] <xisor> is there some way to embed the official nvidia driver into the iso and have the installer use that from the get-go?
[00:19] <PJSingh5000> xisor, You could, but you have to set the VGA mode when you boot it.
[00:19] <xisor> every time i boot the OS?
[00:19] <xisor> forever?
[00:20] <blime> xisor: you'd modify your grub configuration to keep the settings
[00:20] <xisor> i have no idea what that even means i just want to try out ubuntu =/
[00:21] <PJSingh5000> xisor, let me see if I can find what that needs to be.  Does anyone here know how to modify the boot parameters on the live USB to set the VGA mode?
[00:21] <xisor> im assuming once i have it installed and booted and install the nvidia driver that the problem will go away?
[00:22] <YuriRev01> is there an easy way to add me as the only user with read/write access on ssh?
[00:23] <YuriRev01> i connect through sftp
[00:23] <PJSingh5000> xisor, you may have to change stuff in grub (like blime suggested) but FIRST you just want try Ubuntu.
[00:23] <xisor> yes
[00:24] <PJSingh5000> xisor,  first check out http://www.pendrivelinux.com/vga-boot-modes-to-set-screen-resolution/.  This lists some VGA settings.
[00:25] <xisor> ok ill try it
[00:25] <lynx7os5> YuriRev01: do you mean a ssh key authentication? so you dont have to type a password to log in?
[00:25] <PJSingh5000> xisor, see this page for instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions
[00:26] <YuriRev01> correct
[00:26] <YuriRev01> cause right now anyone can view my files
[00:26] <PJSingh5000> xisor, Unfortunately, this is for an older Ubuntu installer.  I don't know how you change the boot parameters on the newer installer.
[00:27] <xisor> ok
[00:27] <Salman> Can someone help me? Some things in Lubuntu are not displayed correctly
[00:28] <dev_> salman what things are not displaying
[00:28] <Salman> I can't really explain but can i post a screetshot of PCManFM?
[00:28] <dev_> Screenshot
[00:29] <lynx7os5> YuriRev01: you@yourcomputer:~ $ ssh-keygen -t rsa     this will give you two files in ~/.ssh/
[00:29] <Salman> dev_: http://imgur.com/3ViTD
[00:30] <lynx7os5> YuriRev01: id_rsa  and id_rsa.pub
[00:30] <Salman> As you can see Lubuntu isn't displaying the folders
[00:31] <veryhappy> hi guys i wanted to get my sound over hdmi on my tv working and i read in the internet that i would have to try to completely remove pulseaudio to get alsa running but now i don't have any sound anymore. please help. thank you
[00:31] <dev_> so your icons arnt showing up did you install any updates recently?n
[00:31] <YuriRev01> and yourcomputer would be the ip of the server or the computer im connecting with?
[00:31] <Salman> I installed all the latest updates
[00:31] <lynx7os5> if you copy the contents of id_rsa.pub to the remote system and put it into ~/.ssh/authorized_keys  you can then log into the remote system using that key.
[00:31] <Salman> but even before that i had the same problem
[00:32] <dev_> Where you having problems before the update?
[00:32] <lynx7os5> YuriRev01: yes the one you're currently using,
[00:32] <Salman> I have a Nvida Quadro$ 580 XGL (old i know but thats why i installed linux so i can use this computer XD)
[00:32] <Salman> dev_: Yes i was having problesm before updating
[00:33] <lynx7os5> keep in mind that anyone with access to your id_rsa.pub file also has the same access to the remote system, so keep it safe..
[00:33] <ikonia> no they don't
[00:34] <ikonia> they need access to the private key
[00:34] <ikonia> and they need the passphrase for the private key
[00:34] <ikonia> the public key is just that..."public"
[00:34] <ikonia> not the public key
[00:34] <FloodBot1> ikonia: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:34] <lynx7os5> er, yea, sorry, ikonia is right
[00:34] <YuriRev01> im lost
[00:35] <lynx7os5> and as for the privelleges, i use openssh and i would check with /etc/ssh/sshd_config ( not sure of the location on ubunt sorry)
[00:35] <veryhappy> YuriRev01: get found :D
[00:35] <yeats> lynx7os5: that's where it is on ubuntu too
[00:36] <cmecca> hey all --- anyone ever seen "gss_create: Pseudoflavor 390003 not found!" in syslog before, regarding ldap+kerberos+autofs... everything works except the home dir's  when i su - user on the client machine, the home dir doesnt mount from the server, and thats the error in syslog
[00:36] <lynx7os5> YuriRev01:  maybe this link can help to clear what i was saying a little better then i could :\ http://sdf.org/?tutorials/SSH-SDF#public_key
[00:37] <Salman> I'll try figuring out the problem by myself
[00:37] <PJSingh5000> xisor, Great.. I just realized that the link I gave you (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions) is OK for the current version of Ubuntu.  You can get to the advanced page by pressing any key when you see little icons on the bottom.  (I hope you can at least see those icons, since you are having graphics problems).
[00:37] <YuriRev01> im not sure how to edit files
[00:37] <blime> YuriRev01: read this from top to bottom: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys
[00:38] <blime> YuriRev01: editing files: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Nano
[00:40] <xisor> ok
[00:40] <xisor> question, after i get it to install, how do i set it so it will also work once booted?
[00:40] <xisor> so i can install the nvidia drivers and stuff
[00:41] <lynx7os5> YuriRev01: sudo nano -w /etc/ssh/sshd_config ?  also heres what mine looks like http://lynx7os5.mdns.org:12345/sshd_config.txt
[00:41] <dev_> xisor what are you asking about
[00:42] <ikonia> why are you editing sshd_config
[00:42] <ikonia> what are you actually trying to do ?
[00:42] <veryhappy> is there anybody who knows how i can get my ALSA working on my tv i don't have any sound at all. i'm using hdmi.
[00:43] <lynx7os5> YuriRev01: the bottom has to do with a chroot enviro for a specified user...
[00:43] <YuriRev01> yea i want access just for me
[00:44] <YuriRev01> im getting permission denied when trying to save a key
[00:44] <YuriRev01> im pretty much getting permission denied for anything i try to do
[00:44] <sl00> How do I install a quantal package (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sqlite3/3.7.13-1) if I have oneiric?
[00:44] <dev_> Thats sucks for you if you are getting permission denied
[00:45] <YuriRev01> all this server is hosting is an rcon program for a game server so it does not have to be secured with the best
[00:45] <YuriRev01> option
[00:46] <bjrohan> I have my command line commad written for recording my desktop. I would like to assign it to a hotkey in Ubunut, can anyone help me do this?
[00:46] <lynx7os5> the key will only allow you to log in and not have to use a passwd but others can log in with the passwd eh
[00:46] <lynx7os5> YuriRev01: do you need to have ssh access then?
[00:46] <bjrohan> I would like to preferabbly press the hotkey once to start the ffmpeg, and press it again to stop.
[00:46] <YuriRev01> i have the server sitting next to me
[00:46] <xisor> well setting the vga mode didnt change a thing
[00:46] <YuriRev01> i jsut want to be able to upload files using filezilla sftp
[00:47] <xisor> does anyone have any idea why it isnt working?
[00:48] <lynx7os5> YuriRev01: hmm, imho i would try to find an sftp program, do a little research and find the one best suited to my prefered setup.
[00:48] <dev_> filezilla is good
[00:48] <Dr_Willis_> xisor:  give the channels details of what you are doing
[00:49] <xisor> oh, sorry :P
[00:49] <lynx7os5> YuriRev01: i would also not even host an ssh server if i didn't 'need' the remote access... but this is only my opinion....
[00:49] <xisor> well, i cant get ubuntu live to boot, because after choosing the option from the boot menu, it does some commandline stuff then goes to a corrupted white screen
[00:49] <Feynmann> *.*
[00:49] <xisor> its still DOING stuff, its just not apparently able to drive the display properly
[00:49] <YuriRev01> well i need to upload files to it somehow
[00:49] <xisor> i tried setting vga mode with vga= and it didnt help
[00:49] <Dr_Willis_> xisor: tried the nomodeset option yet?
[00:49] <PJSingh5000> xisor, you need to add the correct boot option to keep the screen from corrupting.
[00:49] <joggers> can anyone help with ubuntu 12.10?
[00:49] <xisor> no, what is that?
[00:50] <Dr_Willis_> !nomodeset | xisor
[00:50] <dev_> joggers what do you need help with
[00:50] <dev_> dont just ask for help
[00:50] <Dr_Willis_> xisor:  i dont think the vga= option does anything these days on current releases.. i may be wrong
[00:51] <xisor> oh
[00:51] <xisor> well thats what i was told to try
[00:51] <YuriRev01> does anyone have vent or teamspeak i could talk to them on>
[00:51] <quantrabbit> i've run into roadblocks trying to rebuild the package php5 for precise.  Went through the usual: apt-get source php5, apt-get builddeps php5, etc.  First problem is when running debuild -us -uc.  I get this error: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: locales-all | language-pack-de
[00:51] <xisor> where in the boot options would i add nomodeset?
[00:52] <Dr_Willis_> xisor:  you can do it from the grub menu, hit E to edit it.. add nomodeset -->   'quiet splash nomodeset'  in the options
[00:53] <xisor> grub isnt installed because its a livecd
[00:53] <Dr_Willis_> joggers:  you would get better help if you states the problem IN THE CHANNEL not msging people
[00:53] <xisor> maybe im just too stupid to use linux :(
[00:53] <Dr_Willis_> xisor:  then you follow that GUide for nomodeset... it shows how to do it
[00:53] <Dr_Willis_> !nomodeset
[00:53] <xisor> problem is, after the installation is done, it seems to want me to opena  terminal after it boots the installed OS to do the changes
[00:53] <xisor> i cant get a terminal, i cant get display
[00:54] <xisor> i cant even use ctrl+alt+F2 to get a commandline
[00:54] <xisor> it sits at that screen
[00:54] <xisor> and does NOTHING
[00:54] <Dr_Willis_> xisor:  then you try the nomodeset option after you install.
[00:54] <xisor> and how would i do that if i cant get the system to come up to make that change?
[00:54] <xisor> thats the problem
[00:54] <Dr_Willis_> Its at the GRUB menu after you install..
[00:54] <xisor> ok
[00:55] <PJSingh5000> Dr_Willis_, I agre with you.  Where does xisor set that?  xisor would have to mount the new disk, cd to the /usr/share/grub directory, and set it there, right?
[00:55] <Dr_Willis_> PJSingh5000:  you CAN edit the grub options From the GRUB boot menu
[00:55] <xisor> ill try nomodeset and see if i can even get the live USB to load
[00:55] <xisor> if i can ill be back, if not ill be back once again in windows
[00:56] <Dr_Willis_> xisor:  how did you install if you cant get the cd to load?
[00:56] <Dr_Willis_> Somthing is confseing here.
[00:56] <corp> Dr_Willis_: I think he didnt install anythin
[00:56] <OerHeks> Dr_Willis_ +1
[00:56] <xisor> i didnt yet
[00:56] <Dr_Willis_> I hope hes not using WUBI...
[00:56] <PJSingh5000> Dr_Willis_, Ahhh.  I remember now.  Those changes are not committed to disk, though, are they?  (It's been a while since I've installed more than one OS on the same machine).
[00:56] <xisor> im trying to get the liveusb to load first
[00:56] <Dr_Willis_> PJSingh5000:  one time use.
[00:56] <xisor> no, i tried wubi and ended up with the same corrupted crap, after the liveusb didnt work
[00:56] <xisor> and then i came here after removing wubi
[00:57] <xisor> so, im off to try nomodeset
[00:57] <Dr_Willis_> xisor:  and your video card is?
[00:57] <xisor> and see if i can get something to happen
[00:57] <xisor> geforce 8700M
[00:57] <xisor> mobile chip
[00:57] <Dr_Willis_> xisor:  so after you boot. you will most likely want to install the 'nvidia-current' package for proper drivers
[00:57] <xisor> yes i assumed as much
[00:57] <xisor> first i need to get the liveUSB to function
[00:57] <Dr_Willis_> Unless its one of those dual-gpu optimus things
[00:57] <xisor> nvidia drivers is after an install
[00:57] <xisor> right?
[00:58] <Dr_Willis_> Yes.
[00:58] <dev_> installing packaged drivers for me didnt work
[00:58] <xisor> not that i know of, this laptop existed before all that junk
[00:58] <xisor> core2 duo 2.5ghz 4 gigs ram and 8700M
[00:58] <dev_> i still have a major bug that is when i use wifi it randomly stops working
[00:58] <xisor> its a behemoth of a laptop, a dell XPS
[00:58] <dev_> even though i have perfect connection
[00:58] <xisor> brb hopefully from the liveCD
[00:58] <Dr_Willis_> I had a toshiba with a 18In Monitor. ;) and 2 HD.. weighed like 18lbs.. ;P
[00:58] <veryhappy> please don't let me wait and admit if you don't have a solution for me on alsa. i can't stand to wait so long, then i rather change the room.
[00:59] <Dr_Willis_> veryhappy:  i dont even recall seeing the issue stated.
[00:59] <mickster04> veryhappy: also where would you go?
[00:59] <veryhappy> hardware?
[00:59] <PJSingh5000> veryhappy, you don't seem very happy! :) (Sorry).
[00:59] <Dr_Willis_>  #alsa   ;)
[00:59] <veryhappy> right now i don't sorry..
[01:00] <veryhappy> i was already writing my issue but thank you dr willis you gave me the best answer this day
[01:00] <mickster04> heh
[01:00] <Dr_Willis_> veryhappy:  thers askubuntu.com also and the forums
[01:00] <veryhappy> i'll go to alsa thank you
[01:00] <dev_> Ok veryhappy
[01:01] <dev_> d
[01:02] <xisor_> nomodeset does NOT fix it
[01:02] <xisor_> i can confirm that my usb stick isnt corrupt because it works in a virtual machine and the integrity check passes there
[01:02] <xisor_> so thats not it either
[01:02] <xisor_> so i have no idea what to do
[01:04] <mickster04> xisor_: you cannot boot into the usb stick?
[01:04] <Coxie> Fresh install 12.10, screen frozen at login, any ideas?
[01:04] <xisor_> correct, white corrupted screen instead of proper display
[01:04] <corp> xisor: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions?action=show&redirect=BootParameters
[01:04] <mickster04> Coxie: check the disk is good (and the image you downloaded)
[01:04] <corp> xisor: You can start with no X
[01:04] <mickster04> xisor_: then your BOIS might not like booting from the drive
[01:05] <Coxie> mickster04: How do I do that?
[01:05] <mickster04> try another drive and/or check your bios
[01:05] <mickster04> !md5
[01:05] <xisor_> mickster, thats not it, the boot menu comes up fine, it does the commandline stuff fine
[01:05] <xisor_> its having the problem when it comes to loading the display
[01:05] <Coxie> ubottu: Thx
[01:05] <mickster04> xisor_: boot menu? like try install etc?
[01:05] <corp> xisor_ try booting in text mode
[01:05] <xisor_> md5 check passes, integrity check on usb passes in virtual machine
[01:05] <xisor_> its NOT the stick
[01:05] <xisor_> corp, booting in text mode helps me how?
[01:06] <dev_> ubottu, What will the weather be like tomarrow?
[01:06] <dev_> ubottu, What will the weather be like tomarrow?
[01:07] <nullp0inter> i am having a weird problem where i cannot access certain URLs...if i do wget http://feeds.downrightnow.com/downrightnow?format=xml it times out...but this is not true for all URLs. also within PHP connectign to my email address via IMAP times out as well. how could i debug this problem
[01:08] <corp> xisor_, you can try to launch graphical mode from there
[01:08] <corp> xisor_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/NonGraphicalBoot
[01:08] <xisor_> i have no idea how to use a commandline ive never even used linux before
[01:09] <dev_> xisor then why are you using linux as all?
[01:09] <PJSingh5000> xisor_, do you have tow PCs, so you can chat here while on command line?
[01:09] <xisor_> no i only have this one pc
[01:09] <dev_> Lol im chatting froma command line
[01:09] <PJSingh5000> dev_, you you don't have to use command line to use linux.
[01:09] <xisor_> dev_ because everybody in this room, and everyone who develops these operating systems was new at one time as well
[01:09] <xisor_> EVERYONE starts somewhere
[01:09] <xisor_> thats kind of a terrible attitude to have towards someone new
[01:10] <dev_> Naw you just took it to heart
[01:10] <nullp0inter> anyone ever see these timeouts only affecting certain URLs
[01:10] <dev_> null no
[01:10] <nullp0inter> and i do not have a firewall
[01:11] <xisor_> could it be 12.10 specifically causing the issue PJSingh5000?
[01:12] <xisor_> linux mint 14 does the same thing but it is 12.10 based, should i try a different linux entirely and see if the live usb for that has the same problem?
[01:12] <Magoogle> Hey fellas
[01:12] <Magoogle> got a PPTP question
[01:12] <dev_> Xisor you can try using a lower version
[01:12] <chachin> hola people
[01:12] <chachin> oh hai capeta
[01:12] <chachin> dang it captain*
[01:13] <stirlingsilver> yo
[01:13] <xisor_> any disadvantages to using 12.04 instead of 12.10?
[01:13] <ArchIsTheTits> http://narf-archive.com/pix/cb59df8721dc0afe0634faedca15c0077bb43851.jpeg
[01:13] <xisor_> and if 12.04 does the same thing, should i go even older?
[01:13] <ArchIsTheTits> Hellooo.
[01:13] <chachin> hah stirlingsilver
[01:13] <Magoogle> Anyone have information for connecting to a PPTP VPN via terminal only with no GUI? PM me please
[01:13] <stirlingsilver> ohai
[01:13] <LigeiaX> sometimes lower is more stable
[01:13] <captain> I have a wireless card that is showing as activated in hardware devices, and I've also gotten it to install drivers successfully with ndiswrapper but i get no wlan0 device
[01:13] <dev_> xisor you can sure try it. If you are loading from usb why not
[01:13] <jrib> xisor_: software is 6 months older, but 12.04 will be supported for 5 years (so you can wait a long time before you need to upgrade).  12.10 has support for 18 months
[01:14] <xisor_> should i try something that isnt ubuntu at all to see if the same thing happens? would that help narrow down the cause at all?
[01:14] <dev_> Xisor just try a older version
[01:14] <LigeiaX> xisor_ you can if all else fails
[01:14] <jrib> ArchIsTheTits: don't post random links in this channel please
[01:14] <YuriRev01> how would i give myself and only me access to download/upload file to my server i use openssh
[01:15] <ArchIsTheTits> I promise you it's very relative.
[01:15]  * ArchIsTheTits dances
[01:15] <captain> ArchIsTheTits: it doesnt matter
[01:15] <ArchIsTheTits> Enjoy :D
[01:15] <ArchIsTheTits> http://narf-archive.com/pix/cb59df8721dc0afe0634faedca15c0077bb43851.jpeg
[01:15] <xisor_> ok ill download 12.04 and see if it does the same thing
[01:16] <dev_> arch dont post links
[01:16] <chachin> he left
[01:16] <xisor_> question, will i be able to get the newest software and things with 12.04 or am i stuck since its not the newest version?
[01:16] <dev_> I just noticed
[01:16] <stirlingsilver> yeah he bailed
[01:16] <chachin> hai jrib master
[01:16] <dev_> you can update xisor
[01:16] <Magoogle> anyone know how to connect to a PPTP vpn via terminal?
[01:16] <PJSingh5000> xisor_, stick with it.  I remember being where you are, and I remember all my struggles with back screens.  Eventually, you'll figure it out.  You might try 12.04.  If you have two USB sticks, keep your 12.10 and put 12.04 on the other one.  See if it works for you.
[01:16] <LigeiaX> YuriRev01, what sort of server are you running? (besides ssh)
[01:17] <dgbaley27> Does anyone know where I can get libvirt 1.0 for ubuntu 12.04? I ppa I guess...
[01:17] <xisor_> it only takes a couple minutes to make a usb stick out of any bootable iso
[01:17] <xisor_> so im not worried about that
[01:17] <corp> PJSingh5000, +1 some years ago it was a nightmare XD
[01:17] <dev_> xisor then try it
[01:17] <xisor_> downloading 12.04 amd64 desktop iso
[01:17] <Magoogle> anyone tried ZorinOS?
[01:17] <xisor_> 10 minutes and i can try again
[01:17] <Magoogle> its off of ubuntu
[01:18] <PJSingh5000> xisor_, ok.
[01:18] <Magoogle> i really like its GUI
[01:18] <LigeiaX> xisor_ I missed the part where you said what your problem was
[01:18] <xisor_> corrupted display where a desktop should be when booting my ubuntu live usb
[01:18] <xisor_> ligeiax
[01:18] <YuriRev01> ubuntu server lts
[01:19] <LigeiaX> xisor_ that sounds more like a video problem. what kind of video are you running
[01:19] <corp> LigeiaX, geforce 8700M
[01:19] <xisor_> geforce 8700M
[01:19] <xisor_> its not THAT old, it cant be incompatible
[01:19] <Coxie> OK I'd like to check the md5sum of the disc but I can't access my Windows drive now.
[01:19] <xisor_> its still supported in nvidia driver releases even, so yea
[01:19] <PJSingh5000> xisor_, I found this on askubuntu.  Did you try this?... http://askubuntu.com/questions/162075/my-computer-boots-to-a-black-screen-what-options-do-i-have-to-fix-it
[01:20] <ClientAlive> does anyone here happen to run eclipse? #eclipse is like a gost town over there and I really need help.
[01:20] <lynx7os5> how can i recursively chmod --7 * but keep the settings for owner,group?
[01:20] <Coxie> THe link in GRUB is broken and when I change boot order in BIOS I get a grub rescue prompt
[01:20] <xisor_> yes that tells you to use nomodeset
[01:20] <xisor_> i tried that, nothing
[01:20] <ClientAlive> attempt to install linux tools results in unmet dependency. I've been googling around for over an hour now and not finding anything specific to my problem. Please help! Details (including installed on my system and more) can be seen here: http://pastebin.com/CzxeiDN6   <-   please help!
[01:20] <LigeiaX> YuriRev01, I meant what type (samba? ftp? ...)
[01:20] <dr_rocktopus> having a bunch of trouble diagnosing an SSH problem --> works internally but not outside router…anyone have any ideas?
[01:21] <PJSingh5000> ClientAlive, I use eclipse.  I can probably help you with install, but if it's more advanced than that, I may be no help.
[01:21] <jrib> dr_rocktopus: have you forwarded port 22 on your router?
[01:21] <ClientAlive> PJSingh5000: I would like that if you can try - thank you
[01:21] <dr_rocktopus> jrib: yes...
[01:21] <Coxie> Ubuntu broke my pc
[01:21] <LigeiaX> xisor_ in that case, it doesn't seem like much chance 12.04 will do it better (though I'm often wrong)
[01:22] <dev_> coxie how
[01:22] <jrib> dr_rocktopus: unless you've done something very strange (and then you would know), it's likely an issue with your router configuration
[01:22] <xisor_> so what other option do i have?
[01:22] <xisor_> a quick google tells me that people DO install linux on this laptop
[01:22] <dr_rocktopus> jrib: that is what I figured, but I'm wondering how to diagnose
[01:22] <LigeiaX> try the 12.04, maybe I'm wrong
[01:22] <ClientAlive> PJSingh5000: for the record. This eclipse was not installed through the package manager. It was downloaded from their site. It's Juno.
[01:22] <PJSingh5000> ClientAlive, it soulds like you've already installed eclipse, but are having trouble installing some tools into it?
[01:22] <jrib> dr_rocktopus: well what happens when you try to connect?
[01:22] <dev_> linux on a laptop lol
[01:22] <Coxie> dev_  The link in GRUB to my windows drive doesn't work. Changing boot order to windows drive primary now gives me a grub rescue prompt.
[01:23] <PJSingh5000> ClientAlive, I just installed Juno myself.
[01:23] <dr_rocktopus> jrib: I get permission denied on ssh and unable to connect on telnet
[01:23] <Rizki> hi,,,
[01:23] <LigeiaX> xisor_ they may have had linux running on your laptop, but was it ubuntu?
[01:23] <ClientAlive> PJSingh5000: yes, this is one of two things I've tried to install and get problems (the other one is the e4 xml editor)
[01:23] <xisor_> no idea
[01:23] <corp> xisor_, try different distros too
[01:23] <xisor_> but this laptop isnt even that old
[01:23] <xisor_> its a dell XPS M1730
[01:23] <xisor_> core 2 duo
[01:24] <molqr>  it is possible to display the time elapsed since screen lock was activated using Ctrl+Alt+L in gnome?
[01:24] <LigeiaX> xisor_ some linux distros don't use a gui for install, they use text mode
[01:25] <dr_rocktopus> jrib: also I can see my apache and tomcat servers no problem with the same style of port formwarding
[01:25] <xrs> "Unable to delete partition: Unrerognized disk label"
[01:25] <jrib> dr_rocktopus: could it be something your ISP blocks?  You might try a different port
[01:26] <jrib> dr_rocktopus: I have to leave now for a bit
[01:26] <dr_rocktopus> jrib: I tried mapping 2000 on the router to 22 on the server
[01:26] <Coxie> Can anybody help me get to where I can use my Windows drive again?
[01:26] <Coxie> Ubuntu done goofed
[01:26] <dev_>  Have you tried grub repair
[01:26] <xrs> trying to make a headless server and its just been a damn nightmare. gave up on debian, it just refuses to "mount CD-ROM" so now im trying 'buntu and it wont partition
[01:26] <dev_> To fix your windows location
[01:26] <microm> I have a very slow startup (close to 1.5 minutes to boot, it used to be super-fast, why is it slow now? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1451272/
[01:27] <Coxie> dev_ Can I use supergrub2disk ?
[01:27] <dev_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[01:27] <xrs> insert you windows disk, boot from that and run startup repair
[01:27] <dev_> try that
[01:28] <xrs> how can i delete partitions if gparted reports "unrecognized disk partition"
[01:28] <xrs> disk label*
[01:28] <xrs> ]/join #kubuntu
[01:28] <ClientAlive> PJSingh5000: fwiw (may have forgotten to mention this in that paste) what I've done to try solve the problem is...  (1) sudo apt-get install lttng-tools <install was successful> (2) sudo apt-get install antlr <don't recall if it worked from the command line or not> (3) opened synaptic, did search "antlr" and checked everything that cam up on the list, installed it. I'll sit back and wait for you now though - just thought I should mention.
[01:29] <xisor_> ok brb trying 12.04 usb
[01:29] <dev_> xisor ok
[01:29] <LigeiaX> xrs, so something like "mount -t iso9660 -r /dev/sr0 /mntpt" fails in debian?
[01:30] <xrs> it was the graphic installer, no shell
[01:30] <microm> I disabled ipv6 but dmesg still shows "eth0: no IPv6 routers present" and appears to waste 50 seconds to figure it out...
[01:31] <LigeiaX> xrs, what does their graphic installer give for options?
[01:31] <PJSingh5000> ClientAlive, When I install eclipse manually, I usually add tools from the Help | Install New Software Option inside eclipse.
[01:31] <Coxie> My Windows disk doesn't have startup repair
[01:31] <xrs> options? i havent gotten anywhere.
[01:31] <ClientAlive> PJSingh5000: let me check that
[01:32] <corp> Coxie, try dev_ option
[01:33] <YuriRev01> i cannot upload/edit files to my server under any folder
[01:33] <xrs> Coxie,  sudo add-apt-repository ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install -y boot-repair && boot-repair
[01:34] <Coxie> Ok you're missing the point, I can't access either drive at all
[01:34] <xrs> paste that into konsole
[01:34] <Coxie> THere is no way to run commands
[01:34] <xrs> use a live USB or CDS
[01:34] <Coxie> lol What console
[01:34] <corp> Coxie, from a livecD
[01:34] <xrs> from a live disk dude
[01:34] <dev_> yea you can do it from a live disc
[01:34] <Coxie> kk
[01:35] <xrs> come back in once you got a live disk loaded and ill give you the command again
[01:36] <ClientAlive> PJSingh5000: If I do a search for "tools" under all available sites I get main headings: CDT Optional features -> sub category (1 item) -> Unified Parallel C Berkley UPC Toolchain Support, E4 Toolkit Model (one of the things I've tried to install before and get problems), E4 Tools, E4 XWT, Linux Tools, and Linux Tools Sources <these latter being the problem I'm here for>
[01:37] <dev_> Ill be back later, switching rooms
[01:37] <dev_> ok back :)
[01:38] <blackshirt> hello
[01:39] <ClientAlive> PJSingh5000: "Hide items that are already installed" is checked.
[01:39] <LigeiaX> YuriRev01, what protocol were you using when you try to transfer files?
[01:39] <PJSingh5000> ClientAlive, Usually, the "work with" URL is provided on the web site that supplies the tool.  So I get it from there, instead of the defaults shown in Eclipse.  Do any of the tools you want to use provide that?
[01:41] <ClientAlive> PJSingh5000: I'm trying to recall where I got my update site urls for linux tools. Let me check and check if there is a better source.
[01:41] <dev_> its always funny seeing a car backing up a hill only to go up a hill forward :p on snow
[01:42] <xisor> im back
[01:42] <xisor> 12.04 boots the live USB with no tweaking at all, so what gives on 12.10?
[01:42] <corp> xisor, nice.
[01:42] <xrs> wasnt here to hear the problem
[01:42] <dev_> xisor congrats
[01:42] <LigeiaX> xisor, you could upgrade after install
[01:42] <xisor> was speaking more to all these guys who were helping me sorry xrs
[01:42] <xrs> k
[01:43] <xisor> Ligeiax, wouldnt that cause the same error that a native 12.10 does?
[01:43] <xisor> now i have another problem, sort of
[01:43] <xisor> my built in wifi doesnt work i had to dig out a usb stick, any way to fix?
[01:43] <LigeiaX> but since 12.04 has a longer support life than 12.10, no need, 12.04 is probably fine
[01:43] <xisor> not installing this if the hardware isnt gonna work
[01:43] <xrs> 12.10 doesnt give enough improvement to make it worth too much hassle
[01:43] <dev_> install proper drivers
[01:44] <xisor> and how do i see if my wifi is supported/
[01:44] <xisor> or even what wifi it is?
[01:44] <xrs> lspci
[01:44] <LigeiaX> xisor, after install your wifi may work
[01:44] <dev_> pgo to the wifi cards site and look for packaged drivers
[01:44] <ClientAlive> PJSingh5000: It seems I got the url from here: http://wiki.eclipse.org/Linux_Tools_Project/PluginInstallHelp  <- which came from a link here: http://www.eclipse.org/linuxtools/downloads.php
[01:44] <craniumslows> Good Evening.  Is there gwibber support here or is there another room for that?
[01:44] <corp> xisor, lspci | grep -i wireless
[01:44] <xisor> dev, its dell, and i highly doubt they have drivers for linux but i can look
[01:44] <ClientAlive> PJSingh5000: is that the right place to get it?
[01:44] <xisor> corp, what do i do with that information?
[01:45] <corp> xisor, you get your wireless card info
[01:45] <dev_> Its toward the bottom if i remember right
[01:45] <xisor> yes, but where do i put that in it?
[01:46] <xisor> i found a terminal thing
[01:46] <corp> xisor, console or terminal
[01:46] <xisor> that command does nothing
[01:46] <corp> xisor, yep
[01:46] <LigeiaX> xisor, you would take the chipset it says your wifi uses, and look that up online for linux support
[01:46] <xisor> it doesnt output anything
[01:46] <dev_> yea what ligeiax said i was saying that before
[01:46] <xisor> it doesnt even show my usb wifi in a list
[01:47] <xisor> but that CLEARLY works or i wouldnt be here
[01:47] <LigeiaX> oh it usb wifi? then use lsusb
[01:47] <xisor> no, the built in wifi is what im trying to find
[01:47] <dev_> no he needs help with chip
[01:47] <xisor> it doesnt see it
[01:47] <xisor> its old as dirty
[01:47] <xisor> dirt*
[01:47] <dev_> try and disconnect usb and use command?
[01:47] <xisor> the usb one works fine, but i dont wanna use it
[01:49] <PJSingh5000> ClientAlive, I'm not familiar wit the tools you want to install.  But just to give you an example, I like to install the SQL Explorer plugin into Eclipse.  So I go to the Eclipse SQL Explorer site (http://eclipsesql.sourceforge.net/).  There, at the bottom of that page in the "Eclipse Update Site" section, they give me the URL I would type into the "Work with" text box.  You don't have anything lie that for the tools you need to inst
[01:49] <PJSingh5000> all?
[01:49] <LigeiaX> xisor, are you able to get a terminal window at all?
[01:49] <xisor_> back
[01:49] <xisor_> yes
[01:49] <xisor_> still nothing
[01:49] <xisor_> just typing lspci shows a ton of hardware though
[01:49] <dev_> look at bottom
[01:50] <xisor_> 0c:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4321 802.11a/b/g/n (rev 03)
[01:50] <dev_> yea
[01:50] <jrib> dr_rocktopus: and?  what happened?  Are you even seeing the connection attempts in the server logs?
[01:50] <xisor_> confirmed thats not the usb because lsusb lists my ralink usb stick
[01:50] <xisor_> is that wifi supported in linux?
[01:50] <xisor_> ?
[01:50] <dev_> look on google
[01:50] <ClientAlive> PJSingh5000: ok, thanks. I'll check it out
[01:50] <dev_> type that and look for linux support
[01:50] <dr_rocktopus> jrib: I messed up the A record in the redirect :(
[01:50] <dr_rocktopus> so stupid! lol
[01:51] <corp> xisor, have you enable wifi?
[01:51] <YuriRev01> i need help
[01:51] <xisor_> corp, what do you mean enabled?
[01:52] <xisor_> the network button at the top of the screen says firmware missing for the other wifi chip
[01:52] <dev_> is wifi enabled
[01:52] <xisor_> btw
[01:52] <YuriRev01> im trying to be able to upload/download file to my ubuntu server right now i get permission denied
[01:52] <Coxie> OK I'm back, I checked the md5sum of the disc and the iso and they're both good
[01:52] <xisor_> clearly or the usb stick wouldnt be working
[01:52] <dev_> look on google
[01:52] <corp> dev_, maybe thats the problem
[01:52] <Coxie> So something went wrong in the installation
[01:52] <Coxie> Or something
[01:52] <Coxie> But I'm in livecd right now
[01:53] <dev_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=563649
[01:53] <matbee> Hey there, any idea why my ultrabook won't boot up Ubuntu? It's a blank screen... I tried replacing quiet splash with nomodeset to no avail.
[01:54] <dev_> xisor http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5636495
[01:54] <xisor_> ok so, is that going to be hard to do once i install this?
[01:54] <iceroot> http://steamcommunity.com/games/221410/announcements/detail/1747660173332716773   steam is open beta now
[01:54] <xisor_> assuming since i have video on the liveusb that an install will be fine also, so its safe to go ahead and do it?
[01:54] <dev_> no it wont
[01:54] <xisor_> also, will it mess up my windows 7?
[01:55] <Coxie> Yes
[01:55] <dev_> yea install and then go back to that link
[01:55] <xisor_> i will return here after installing so i can get the link again, also, it wont break my windows 7 right?
[01:56] <xrs> it will
[01:56] <dev_> if you install currectly
[01:56] <xrs> you will need to fix the windows boot loader when ur done
[01:56] <dev_> if not then you will have to use boot repair
[01:56] <xisor_> ok so... what do i do now?
[01:56] <xisor_> oh
[01:56] <xrs> do it then run boot repair
[01:56] <LigeiaX> windows 7 doesn't like coexisting with anything else. might be better if you installed to a usb key
[01:56] <xisor_> how do i do boot repair?
[01:56] <corp> what?
[01:56] <xrs> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install -y boot-repair && boot-repair
[01:56] <dev_> i am using windows 7/ ubuntu latest atm.
[01:56] <xrs> paste that command
[01:56] <LigeiaX> but windows doesn't *like* it
[01:56] <xisor_> so i WONT have to repair windows 7 dev?
[01:56] <xisor_> im not installed yet xrs
[01:57] <corp> me too, there is no problem at all.
[01:57] <dev_> If you install currectly in the settings yes, if you mess up you will then need to go back to live disc and run boot repair
[01:57] <xisor_> should i check the box for download updates while installing?
[01:57] <kevinch> hi all, looking for a solution that would allow my mac and PC to backup to my ubuntu server.  any suggestions that are relatively straight forward to setup?
[01:57] <xrs> in the future you will want to install windows after linux. if you install linux after windows you will need to run boot repair
[01:57] <kevinch> automatically incrementally
[01:57] <dev_> make sure you have a partition for linux and another for swop
[01:57] <xrs> rsync
[01:57] <dev_> wwap
[01:57] <dev_> swap
[01:58] <corp> xrs, what?
[01:58] <xisor_> installing windows after would erase grub from the boot sector of the drive i would assume
[01:58] <xisor_> rendering linux inoperable
[01:58] <xisor_> unless im missing something with my noobish-ness
[01:58] <Coxie> Assuming Ubuntu will even work once you install it
[01:58] <dev_> xrs not exactly true i had windows 7 and instlal linux fine after
[01:58] <iceroot> xrs: complety wrong, first install windows, then install linux
[01:58] <Coxie> Mine hasn't even made it past login screen yet
[01:58] <kevinch> xrs: what about windows?
[01:58] <Guest96298> is there any CUPS wizard in the room? I need help with a custom backend that has been created following this: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:cups#installing_a_new_cups_backend
[01:58] <YuriRev01> how do i give myself access to upload file to my server which sits next to me
[01:58] <iceroot> xrs: every other order will overwrite grub2
[01:59] <xisor_> anyways, do i want to check the box that says download updates while installing in the installer dev_?
[01:59] <KI4RO> xisor_, First windows then linux
[01:59] <corp> xrs, I think he meant contrary
[01:59] <ikonia> YuriRev01: how do you want to upload ?
[01:59] <dev_> doesnt matter i didnt
[01:59] <LigeiaX> xisor_ the others may disagree, but I think it's much simpler to install to a usb drive and run off that
[01:59] <xrs> either way, windows doesnt like to co-exist. the reason i saw linux first is most people use windows as their primary OS and thats where most of their data is held
[01:59] <dev_> Its simpler with windows 7 installed already lig, and since he already has it installed
[01:59] <xisor_> i only have the one, and its running the live environment ligeiax
[02:00] <chachin> is taken 2 worth  a watch?
[02:00] <Coxie> No
[02:00] <chachin> I too believe its just way too early for a sequel of the movie :\
[02:01] <matbee> Any hints why I'm getting a blank screen after install wubi ubuntu?
[02:01] <PJSingh5000> YuriRev01, if your server is Ubuntu, and you are on Ubuntu, ope Nautilus file manager.  Key in CTRL-L.  Then type ssh://<server_name>.local.  You should have an account on your server.  Just enter your user id and pass for the server.
[02:01] <dev_> chaichin please stay on topic this is for support
[02:01] <chachin> o.O
[02:01] <chachin> wtf im on #ubuntu
[02:01] <chachin> lol
[02:01] <chachin> sorry
[02:01] <xisor_> the installer has chosed my 2nd hard drive when i chose to install alongside windows 7, will it create swap and all that automatically?
[02:02] <Guest96298> I got an "/usr/lib/cups/backend/pdf failed" error message when trying to print a test page, error_log shows this: failed to CreateDevice: org.freedesktop.ColorManager.AlreadyExists:device id 'cups-Printer' already exists
[02:02] <corp> xisor_, I dont remember i nver used the automatic option :(
[02:02] <dev_> i didn't to that option and i hear alot don't recommend that way, do it manually
[02:02] <dev_> create partition in windows and another for swap and configure the locations manually
[02:04] <PJSingh5000> dev_, automatic should work fine.  I do it that way in virtual machines, and it goes smoothly.
[02:04] <dev_> PJ when i needed help with this when i first started out, others recommended not to do it that way cause of problems with will rise later on
[02:05] <corp> Im with dev_
[02:05] <xisor_> it is installing now
[02:05] <xisor_> wish me luck that it works :D
[02:05] <LigeiaX> luck
[02:05] <PJSingh5000> xisor_, good luck.
[02:06] <corp> xisor_, it will work dont worry ;)
[02:06] <xisor_> according to the tiny terminal below the installer thing it created a 4 gig swap, resized the ntfs partition on my 2nd hard drive, and created something called ext4 with the rest of the space
[02:06] <xisor_> so im assuming all is normal?
[02:06] <dev_> You may have problems later on xisor
[02:06] <dev_> That is if its even  sucessful
[02:06] <corp> xisor_, I would do it manually and in the first drive
[02:06] <corp> xisor_, anyway it will work I guess
[02:06] <dev_> Yea thats the way i did it corp
[02:06] <PJSingh5000> dev_, I don't disagree.  It's just that xisor_ just wants to try Ubuntu.  I didn't want to make it more complicated than necessary.
[02:07] <xisor_> wait problems because of what dev_?
[02:07] <corp> PJSingh5000, thats true, too.  Anyway as dev_ , I find manually better.
[02:08] <dev_> Ether way if he just wants to try it, and later on has problems, he'll be right back here asking for same help. Thats why i said do it the other way now so problems dont rise later on
[02:08] <xisor_> 2nd drive was empty anyway so the worst it can do is i have to format it and start over right?
[02:08] <xrs> pretty much
[02:09] <dev_> yea
[02:09] <LigeiaX> except for the boot sector on the first drive
[02:09] <xisor_> main windows 7 drive is too small for both OS i think, its a 128 gig SSD, 2nd drive is 500 gig
[02:09] <strays> scusi please. does anyone know anything about telstra usb modems and ubuntu?
[02:09] <xrs> you dont want to part out an SSD
[02:10] <dev_> Well you could fit both just wouldnt have much room for media.
[02:10] <roasted> hello!
[02:10] <roasted> Anybody know of a way to push my USB webcam and USB microphone streams to be, well, streamable from another ysstem on the LAN?
[02:10] <matbee> I can't, for the life of me, figure out how to boot ubuntu on my ultrabook. Always booting blank.
[02:10] <corp> roasted, vlc i believe
[02:11] <matbee> with nomodeset, I get the wall-of-text, starts to load gnome and then blank.
[02:11] <xisor_> which we will see in just a minute
[02:11] <xisor_> if i can learn ubuntu ill replace windows with it entirely, i dont really play games or anything on here
[02:11] <xisor_> IF it works properly
[02:11] <gooshie> matbee have you tried linux live usb creator?
[02:11] <roasted> corp: I heard that too, but I wasn't sure how I'd actually get the"server" to launch the video/audio to other systems. I've only dne it in reverse, where the client is using VLC to receive the stream.
[02:11] <dev_> matbee have you tried restarting
[02:11] <matbee> dev_, yes.
[02:11] <matbee> gooshie, no..
[02:12] <LigeiaX> xisor_ much as I hate saying it, it's always good to keep a working windows for just in case times
[02:12] <gooshie> matbee u can put the same live distro on the usb drive and then they have an install icon on desktop
[02:12] <xisor_> well i have the dell install cds that came with it
[02:13] <dev_> If i predict the future right alot of people will be going to linux :)
[02:13] <xisor_> so i can always just use those and restore it to factory if i have to
[02:13] <matbee> I'm going to keep different boot options and hope
[02:13] <corp> roasted, I really cant recall how it was but mainly is playing /dev/video0 and streaming it
[02:13] <corp> roasted, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6297348/vlc-record-webcam-and-stream-to-chrome-linux
[02:14] <matbee> good thing this thing is an ultrabook and only takes 10s to boot :P
[02:14] <dev_> I dont shut off my laptop that much to need a "UltraBook"
[02:14] <corp> dev_, XD
[02:15] <LigeiaX> dev_ especially with how windows 8 has a publsihed backdoor to allow MS (or any hacker) to remotely change code on your windows install
[02:15] <corp> LigeiaX, Windows per se is a trojan XD
[02:16] <xisor_> mac would be more popular than windows if they let you install it on everything instead of their own overpriced stuff
[02:16] <xisor_> dev_ alot of people will go to linux when EVERY game has a linux version and its as simple as point and click, i dont think too many people will deal with learning complex stuff
[02:17] <xangua> !ot | xisor_ dev_
[02:17] <Magoogle> I have searched online and on forums for this.. But all i can find is how to setup a PPTP server or on how to turn on a previously made VPN conneciton with the GUI from the terminal.. I NEED to know if anyone can help me with creating a new VPN PPTP Connection via terminal only on 12.10
[02:17] <corp> xisor_, yeah, sometimes I missed playing some games, anyway, the linux hard stuff was years before now its much easier
[02:18] <avickery> First lynx now irssi, this is a banner evening!
[02:18] <corp> Magoogle, vpnc
[02:19] <LigeiaX> avickery, what do you mean?
[02:19] <dev_> avickery ?
[02:19] <Magoogle> Corp - THANKS! that turned up much better google results!
[02:19] <xrs> scary thought: HR Block is highing technicians. one of the requirements is knowledge of Win95 & Win2k
[02:19] <corp> Magoogle, you welcome ;)
[02:19] <avickery> First time using a text browser since 1994 and same with a text IRC client, very cool.
[02:19] <dev_> You are using irssi?
[02:19] <avickery> Yep
[02:19] <avickery> on Xubuntu 12.10
[02:19] <corp> Magoogle, vpnc --help will be good too
[02:20] <dev_> Same here
[02:20] <avickery> I'm really enjoying this learning curve. Haven't been excited about computing in a long time.
[02:21] <poz> hello, i need help. My audio is making a popping sound
[02:21] <LigeiaX> avickery, "links" is also good :)
[02:21] <poz> I dont know how to make it stop
[02:21] <avickery> I'll check it out. How is it different from lynx-cur
[02:21] <LigeiaX> avickery, in "links" it's text mode, but the mouse actually works
[02:22] <avickery> Where's the fun in that? It's like cheating on your keyboard.
[02:22] <poz> how to access advanced sounds settings
[02:22] <poz> ?
[02:22] <xisor_> its installed, rebooting so i can get that link for my wifi :)
[02:22] <nullp0inter> does anyone know how i can force my box to prefer IPv4 over IPv6 DNS lookups?
[02:22] <dev_> Ok xisor
[02:23] <w0rm-_x> SetHandler server-info
[02:23] <LigeiaX> don't give it a ipv6 dns server?
[02:24] <nullp0inter> LigeiaX : so I cannot have both enabled on my machine? That is, having an IPv6 ip associated with it
[02:25] <LigeiaX> oh, I thought you were saying you didn't want the ipv6
[02:26] <nullp0inter> LigeiaX: , I don't mind having IPv6 enabled on my server, but its causing timeouts when trying to access sites even using wget...when I run wget forcing it to use ipv4 it works fine, but then this is also occuring in PHP connections, so I need a global way to stop it from doing this
[02:26] <PJSingh5000> xisor_, This is Great!  Welcome to Ubuntu!
[02:27] <poz> Hey, does anyone know why the auto mute is causing my speakers to pop?
[02:27] <poz> like all the teim
[02:27] <poz> time
[02:27] <poz> about once ever five seconds
[02:27] <poz> every*
[02:27] <nullp0inter> LigeiaX I can;t find anything about this on goog;le
[02:27] <PJSingh5000> Has anyone popped in who has knowledge on how to get the user wallpaper to show up on the LDM login page, if a wall paper is selected from the user's Pictures?  This si *supposed* to work, and it used to work for me, but now it stopped working.  I don't know what I might have done to inhibit this functionality.  Now, I only get the default Ubuntu wallpaper on the login screen.
[02:27] <avickery> quit
[02:28] <avickery> exit
[02:28] <avickery> damnit
[02:28] <Dr_Willis_> poz:  ages ago there was a power-saveing issue that shut down the speakers. when they came back on - they would pop
[02:28] <tomreyn> avickery: try that with a leading slash
[02:28] <corp> nullp0inter, found this I hope it helps you: http://askubuntu.com/questions/32298/prefer-a-ipv4-dns-lookups-before-aaaaipv6-lookups
[02:28] <avickery> Thanks man
[02:28] <Dr_Willis_> poz:  i think it was only affecting some intel chipsets
[02:28] <LigeiaX> nullp0inter, yes ipv6 is very problematic. looks like you have a choice to make about whether it's omportant to you to have it available
[02:28] <dev_> ./exit?
[02:29] <Magoogle> Corp - Im still only seeing information with VPNC for GUI installation.. Any help?
[02:29] <Dr_Willis_> PJSingh5000:  using encrypted home can break that.
[02:29] <poz> Dr_Willis_: If it was ages ago then why might the issues to be around? I mean the auto mute was on by default (I just reinstalled ubuntu today, it also did this last time as well)
[02:29] <Dr_Willis_> poz:  differnt chipset similer bug.
[02:30] <PJSingh5000> Dr_Willis_, my home is not encrypted.  Also, I have read privileges for group and others o nthe image I selected.
[02:30] <Dr_Willis_> poz:  ive seen similer bugs on other disrtos with some sound cards also.
[02:30] <corp> Magoogle, have you tried vpnc --help ?
[02:30] <xisor> weirdest thing.... halfway through the install now, the built in wifi starts working on its own
[02:30] <xisor> any idea wtf just happened to make it work?
[02:30] <poz> oh okay
[02:30] <dev_> xisor what happen?
[02:30] <poz> So anyone else try ubuntu 12.10 with a nvidia card?
[02:31] <corp> xisor, maybe trying to search for updates
[02:31] <poz> It fails to work with mine
[02:31] <LigeiaX> xisor because it installted the wifi suplicant (probably)
[02:31] <xisor> oh
[02:31] <tjbiddle> anyone happen to know if the tool dependencies differ for 12.04 from 10.04 for https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile ?
[02:31] <poz> I had to go back to 12.04 lts
[02:31] <xisor> well, the installer is doing updates and stuff now
[02:31] <xisor> i guess it detected the chip and found a driver for it during the setup when it did detecting hardware?
[02:31] <XRS1> on boot
[02:31] <XRS1> linux understands the internet at a very fundamental level
[02:32] <LigeiaX> xisor, for wifi it's not enough that it detected the wifi card, there is also some extra software that needs installing before the wifi can be used
[02:32] <xisor> but the usb wifi one worked without it
[02:32] <LigeiaX> but that software is included on the install iso
[02:33] <dev_> yes ligeiax is right
[02:33] <xisor> ok
[02:33] <xisor> so i dont need that link and it will work on its own once it reboots into the installed OS?
[02:33] <nullp0inter> : LigeiaX after making the changes to gai.conf do i need to restart any services?
[02:33] <dev_> If you experienced problems with it or bugs you may need that link later on
[02:33] <dev_> so save it
[02:34] <dev_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5636495\
[02:34] <LigeiaX> nullp0inter, don't know. I disabled ipv6 altogether
[02:34] <xisor> how will i save it in a read only live environment? :P
[02:34] <dev_> Remember it the old way
[02:34] <corp> nullp0inter, I pointed you to the page. I havent read that much
[02:35] <xisor> im sure ill have questions once this thing is actually running
[02:35] <xisor> lol
[02:35] <LigeiaX> xisor, the pen and paper editor
[02:35] <corp> nullp0inter, I would say yes
[02:35] <xisor> ligeiax isnt that what they used before man discovered fire?
[02:35] <LigeiaX> probably
[02:36] <xisor> and the microchip?
[02:36] <xisor> lol
[02:36] <poz> anyone else have a problem with ubuntu 12.10 and nvidia?
[02:36] <xisor> poz, dont even get me started there lol
[02:36] <dev_> nope
[02:36] <corp> poz, xisor had some
[02:36] <nullp0inter> LigeiaX : thanks a lot that finally worked, GoDaddy is useless
[02:36] <poz> lol okay, I just wanted to know if I was the only one. I tryed to install it three times (twice with usb and once with a dvd) and could not get it to work
[02:36] <LigeiaX> Yes, they are useless
[02:37] <xisor> corp, still have is more accurate, considering im installing 12.04
[02:37] <xisor> poz, what happened to you?
[02:37] <xisor> specifically
[02:37] <xisor> and what nvidia do you have?
[02:38] <ItsMeLenny> could someone give me a hand please; i cant install the 32bit version of the wx libs on my 64bit ubuntu, when i go to install the i386 version (downloaded from launchpad) it tells me its already installed
[02:38] <BigGreenCanoe> Having an issue upgrading from 10.10 to 11.04, the upgrade manager says that several files are missing and quits.
[02:38] <poz> well in grub, the "ubuntu" did not work (mostly just a black screen, sometimes it showed an [ ok ] or a command promp). if I went to advanced ubuntu options I could get it to load, but after updating it was just a small screen
[02:38] <poz> after logging in, it never loaded anything
[02:39] <xisor> brb, rebooting into installed 12.04, hopefully!
[02:39] <poz> I could right click but no unity, no place to open a terminal... no top bar thingy. nothing...
[02:39] <poz> if i did not update, i could run unity, but when I tryed to open firefox it would crash, go black and then go to the log in screen
[02:40] <sasori1> hey guys any vbox gurus in here????
[02:40] <poz> it had a number of issues
[02:40] <poz> I have nvidia 680
[02:40] <poz> I forget what it is call, it has been awhile since I had to know. how can i look it up?
[02:41] <puppy_parade> made a software raid, performance isn't what I was expecting. Is there a good place for how to tune/configure it?
[02:41] <puppy_parade> raid 5*
[02:42] <ikonia> puppy_parade: how did you make it ?
[02:42] <ikonia> puppy_parade: what controller are they on
[02:42] <puppy_parade> motherboard, mdadm
[02:42] <BigGreenCanoe> nevermind, I'll deal with it later, I have a final in 9 hours.
[02:43] <ikonia> puppy_parade: what type of controller
[02:43] <ikonia> puppy_parade: what are you doing to measure the performance ?
[02:43] <puppy_parade> ubuntu disk measurement tool, palimpset?
[02:43] <majuscule> Hi, I've installed mysql-server on an ubuntu 12.10, and i can't seem to log in to the database. What might be going wrong? I never set a password.
[02:43] <puppy_parade> no controller
[02:43] <puppy_parade> just software raid
[02:43] <ikonia> puppy_parade: there has to be a disk controller
[02:43] <ikonia> thats how you access your disks
[02:43] <puppy_parade> onboard Intel
[02:43] <LigeiaX> puppy_parade sata? pata? scsi?
[02:43] <puppy_parade> sata
[02:44] <ikonia> puppy_parade: foret the measuremurement tool
[02:44] <ikonia> puppy_parade: worry about real life usage
[02:44] <puppy_parade> thanks for the pantload of help
[02:44] <ikonia> puppy_parade: drop the attitude and you'll get more
[02:44] <xjiujiu>  Can I ask a question about my centos system?
[02:44] <corp> majuscule, mysqladmin -u root password NEWPASSWORD   try that in console
[02:44] <LigeiaX> puppy_parade with software raid on sata, there isn't a whole lot to tune
[02:45] <ikonia> xjiujiu: no
[02:45] <puppy_parade> all I am seeing is chunksize
[02:45] <ikonia> puppy_parade: what file system is on it, how big are the disks, how many disks, how big is the block size on the array and then on the file system
[02:45] <ikonia> what stripe method did you use
[02:45] <poz> how do I set default applications?
[02:45] <LigeiaX> xjiujiu, there is a centos channel on freenode
[02:45] <xjiujiu> where?
[02:45] <LigeiaX> #centos
[02:45] <xjiujiu> I can't find it.
[02:46] <mazda01> i just installed steam beta and now chromium-browser keep segfaulting with this error. pool[4892]: segfault at 10 ip<PHONE_NUMBER>42e1a7 sp 00007fb2f3ffe9e0 error 4 in gnome-keyring-daemon
[02:46] <ikonia> xjiujiu: #centos
[02:46] <majuscule> corp: i get an accessed denied error
[02:46] <puppy_parade> no FS, 2TB, 1TB blatters, 4 disks
[02:46] <mazda01> any thoughts?
[02:46] <ikonia> puppy_parade: no file system ?
[02:46] <EagleScreen> poz in System Settings -> Details
[02:46] <ikonia> puppy_parade: how are you using the disks ?
[02:46] <xjiujiu> ikonia: It's need register...
[02:46] <puppy_parade> the benchmark is using raw disk writes
[02:46] <poz> thanks eaglescreen
[02:46] <ikonia> xjiujiu: then register
[02:46] <ikonia> puppy_parade: focus on real world usage
[02:46] <puppy_parade> orly?
[02:47] <ikonia> puppy_parade: you're chasing numbers, rather than genuine performance
[02:47] <ikonia> puppy_parade: are the disks 1 TB ?
[02:47] <myk_robinson> apparently I f-ed up my partition tables.. My home partition is only showing about 60GB free, but I have a blank partition showing over 600GB free.. How do I move my /home partition to this apparently unused partition?
[02:47] <puppy_parade> no, 2TB, 1TB platters
[02:47] <ikonia> puppy_parade so each disk is 2TB
[02:47] <ikonia> myk_robinson: no need for the language
[02:47] <puppy_parade> and I don't think I want to be changing parameters on the RAID once I put data on it
[02:47] <myk_robinson> ikonia: sorry :(
[02:47] <puppy_parade> so, benchmarks for now.
[02:48] <ikonia> puppy_parade: benchmarks are not going to be a good way to measure the file system
[02:48] <myk_robinson> the LVM is showing the partition structure correctly, but the df command is not
[02:48] <ikonia> puppy_parade: each disk is 2TB correct ?
[02:48] <puppy_parade> yes
[02:48] <ItsMeLenny> could someone please biddle biddle help me
[02:49] <ikonia> puppy_parade: and there are 4 disks, so that = 6TB device
[02:49] <ikonia> ItsMeLenny: biddle biddle ? what ?
[02:49] <ikonia> correct ?
[02:49] <ItsMeLenny> just a little help
[02:49] <puppy_parade> yes, that would be what raid 5 does.
[02:49] <mazda01> anyone else have issues after they installed steam?
[02:49] <ItsMeLenny> im trying to install the i386 libwx on 64bit ubuntu
[02:49] <mickster04> mazda01: nah it's ok here
[02:50] <ikonia> puppy_parade: what is it your not liking in the benchmarks, give me something to reference
[02:50] <mazda01> mickster04, are you using chromium-browser version 20.0.1132.47~r144678
[02:51] <puppy_parade> well, I was getting 120/120 per drive average. Now I am not getting close to double that
[02:51] <puppy_parade> it gets better if I increase the write size
[02:51] <ikonia> puppy_parade: why do you expect double that ?
[02:51] <Tecan> anyone here have usermod for apache2 enabled ?
[02:51] <mazda01> everytime I try to open chromium-browser it crashes completely back to the greeter for me to relogin
[02:51] <Tecan> userdir
[02:51] <ItsMeLenny> http://paste.debian.net/217419/
[02:51] <puppy_parade> Raid 0 scales close to linearly
[02:51] <mazda01> this is in kern.log pool[4892]: segfault at 10 ip<PHONE_NUMBER>42e1a7 sp 00007fb2f3ffe9e0 error 4 in gnome-keyring-daemon[400000+da000]
[02:52] <ikonia> puppy_parade: raid 0 is a stripe
[02:52] <ikonia> puppy_parade: raid 5 is not
[02:52] <Tecan> i cant get rid of a 403 error for my home html folder
[02:52] <puppy_parade> I expected raid 5 to  as well,  with some slowdown
[02:52] <puppy_parade> raid5 is stripe
[02:52] <ikonia> puppy_parade: you can't expect raid 5 to performa anthing like raid 0
[02:52] <puppy_parade> with parity
[02:52] <mazda01> i have an apport report also
[02:52] <ikonia> puppy_parade: no, it's not,
[02:52] <ikonia> the parirty is an overhead,
[02:52] <puppy_parade> yes, it really is striped
[02:52] <Jgmgd>  0
[02:52] <mickster04> mazda01: Chromium 22.0.1229.94 Ubuntu 12.10
[02:52] <ikonia> you can't compare raid 0 and raid 5
[02:52] <puppy_parade> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels#RAID_5
[02:52] <lostfile> can i connect to juniper VPN on ubuntu?
[02:52] <Jgmgd> Win
[02:52] <LigeiaX> puppy_aprade, if you got a SAS controller, it could handle your sata drives and give you much better performance
[02:53] <ikonia> puppy_parade: I know what the raid levels are
[02:53] <puppy_parade> LigeiaX, would you say it would be closer to raid 0 on n-1 drives?
[02:53] <Jgmgd> Any1 here?
[02:53] <mazda01> mickster04, you sure that's chromium and not google chrome?
[02:53] <puppy_parade> I was expecting more like 2.5x with 4 disks in raid5
[02:54] <LigeiaX> puppy_parade, yes, because a SAS controller could do hardware raid, not just software
[02:54] <ikonia> puppy_parade: things to consider, you're using reasonable size disks, maybe increasing the chunksize can help, also the parity mode, chanking it to symmetric may help if your motherboard can deal with it as you're on an internal controller
[02:54] <mazda01> mickster04, plus you're on 12.10, im on 12.04
[02:54] <ikonia> puppy_parade: your expactations are way off
[02:54] <ikonia> puppy_parade: also what cpu/ram setup have you got ?
[02:54] <puppy_parade> yeah, I think it might be worth the money LigeiaX, I was expecting something better since I have a pretty beefy machine
[02:54] <puppy_parade> i7 3930k, 16GB of RAM
[02:55] <ikonia> puppy_parade: ok great, so no bottleneck on cpu wait there
[02:55] <LigeiaX> puppy_parade, LsiLogic makes a very nice SAS controller card
[02:55] <mickster04> mazda01:  chromium-browser --version
[02:55] <mickster04> Chromium 22.0.1229.94 Ubuntu 12.10
[02:55] <ikonia> puppy_parade: somethings to consider
[02:55] <puppy_parade> LSI is what I was looking at
[02:55] <ikonia> puppy_parade: (apart from the optiosn I've just given you)
[02:55] <xjiujiu> I can't accept the  email for register ...
[02:55] <puppy_parade> but that would about double the cost of everything
[02:55] <ikonia> puppy_parade: if you put a file systme on it and access as a file systme your performance will increase as you'll have file system caching
[02:55] <myk_robinson> is it normal for the disk usage analyzer and the logical volume manager values to not agree?
[02:56] <LigeiaX> puppy_parade, but a SAS controller could use your existing sata drives at least
[02:56] <puppy_parade> why would the motherboard have anything to do with it ikonia?
[02:56] <ikonia> puppy_parade: because you're using the internal bus to manage your disks
[02:56] <puppy_parade> LigeiaX, you mean upgrade to RAID in place?
[02:56] <LigeiaX> yes
[02:56] <puppy_parade> wow
[02:57] <ikonia> puppy_parade: so how linux supports your controller and throughput is a factor
[02:57] <ikonia> puppy_parade: and the cpu is used to manage the raid array,
[02:57] <puppy_parade> the bandwidth on my board is pretty insane.
[02:57] <ikonia> puppy_parade: yes, it's a reasonable spec system, hence why I said "no bottleneck there on cpu"
[02:59] <puppy_parade> also, the writes are slower on raid 5 then they were with a single disk
[03:00] <LigeiaX> puppy_parade, that's because with software raid, every write is multiple writes
[03:00] <puppy_parade> ooh
[03:00] <puppy_parade> does the HW card help with that much?
[03:01] <jakepetroules> what's the easiest way to mount an NFS share in linux without resorting to terminal commands?
[03:01] <LigeiaX> puppy_parade, because with hardware raid, one write to the controller turns into multiple writes in parallel that the system doesn't need to care about
[03:02] <xisor> back, installed 12.04 :D
[03:02] <LigeiaX> puppy_parade, while with software raid, the multiple writes are sequential
[03:02] <puppy_parade> LigeiaX, thanks for the input; I didn't know the performance delta would be so large
[03:02] <xisor> apparently i needed the nomodeset option still, so, how do i install nvidia drivers so i dont need it anymore?
[03:02] <puppy_parade> yeah, with the slower SATA bus in between
[03:03] <Guest52463> ciao a tutti!
[03:03] <tjbiddle> anyone know what generates /usr/include/linux/limits.h ? i made a change to /etc/security/limits.conf and limits.h was improperly generated (c preprocessor not prefixed with #)
[03:05] <LigeiaX> xisor, you have two nvidia drivers to choose from, the opensource and the close source
[03:05] <xisor> ok
[03:05] <SolarisBoy> tjbiddle: seems like it may be installed with the kernel source
[03:05] <SolarisBoy> you can try dpkg -S <fullpathtofile>
[03:06] <SolarisBoy> tjbiddle: linux-libc-dev: /usr/include/linux/limits.h
[03:07] <matbee> so I got my ultrabook booting ubuntu desktop with acpi=off, but now I'm left with a problem of a VERY slow wifi connection...
[03:08] <LigeiaX> wifi is usually slower than people would like
[03:08] <SolarisBoy> lot of overhead
[03:08] <jakepetroules> i tried `sudo smbmount "\\\\host\\share" /mnt/emptyfolder` but i'm getting an error saying 'mount error(22): invalid argument'
[03:08] <matbee> it takes about 2 minutes to just connect
[03:09] <tjbiddle> solarisboy: it is - it's part of the kernel headers, but the changes i made to limits.conf apparently change limits.h as well
[03:09] <ItsMeLenny> how do i make a link which makes it look like one lib is in another location
[03:09] <SolarisBoy> i dont think so tjbiddle
[03:09] <tjbiddle> solarisboy: don't think what?
[03:09] <SolarisBoy> that changing a conf would adjust a header file in the kernel source tree
[03:10]  * tjbiddle shrugs
[03:10] <tjbiddle> far as i know - it did. unless someone shelled in and made the change, lol.
[03:10] <LigeiaX> ItsMeLenny, try "man link"
[03:10] <tjbiddle> i'll experiment to make sure though.
[03:10] <SolarisBoy> what would changing the header file did unless someone recompiled the kernel?
[03:10] <SolarisBoy> other than affect anything trying to build from that file in the future in some include statement
[03:11] <tjbiddle> (hence how i found it originally - couldn't install a ruby gem that was using it)
[03:11] <ItsMeLenny> LigeiaX, ta
[03:11] <tjbiddle> really curious on what the hell made the change though
[03:11] <SolarisBoy> you could try to --reinstall the dev package if thats the case i guess
[03:11] <tjbiddle> already did
[03:11] <SolarisBoy> =(
[03:11] <tjbiddle> it's all fixed
[03:11] <SolarisBoy> o cool lol
[03:11] <tjbiddle> i'm just really curious on why it changed
[03:12] <SolarisBoy> no clue atleast afaik
[03:12] <tjbiddle> heh
[03:12] <tjbiddle> someone in #linux suggested it was glibc
[03:12] <SolarisBoy> possible
[03:12] <SolarisBoy> thats a seperate package though - did you upgrade it or something?
[03:12] <tjbiddle> i'm wondering if i upgraded that at somepoint - and it rebuilt limits.h when doing so?
[03:13] <Jikai> Hi! Anyone knows how to change file size units to IEC's binary prefix?
[03:13] <SolarisBoy> tjbiddle: i enabled change logs on my system so i could if needed go back and see the history of changes
[03:14] <SolarisBoy> dont use it much but i could see it being helpful - not sure of any other way to see a specific change history like that other than if you had you / under version control lol
[03:15] <AbeFM> Anyone around feel like pitying me then telling me to reinsall?
[03:15] <tjbiddle> solarisboy: i'll just have to try to reproduce :p
[03:15] <LigeiaX> AbeFM, ok, if that's what you want :)
[03:15] <AbeFM> Having annoying seemingly minor issue logging in, but there it is - I can't use the machine.
[03:16] <SolarisBoy> ya - be careful though with glibc lols
[03:16] <LigeiaX> AbeFM, we pity you, so reinstall :)
[03:16] <lostfile> hic, i have to use dual boot because i cant connect to DC through Remote VPN. Junos Pulse is not work on Linux. Can anyone establish connection to Juniper VPN on Ubuntu!? :(
[03:16] <tjbiddle> solarisboy: i only screw around on vms - no worry :)
[03:16] <AbeFM> Whew, thanks. Wish someone had told me a couple days ago. It takes two hours to get up and running and I'm probably 15 into this.
[03:17] <SolarisBoy> tjbiddle: thats the way to go ;>
[03:17] <AbeFM> Should I try to retell everything, or just post a link to forum thread?
[03:17] <AbeFM> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12413210
[03:18] <tjbiddle> abefm: you're using a GUI - that's your problem ;)
[03:18] <AbeFM> ha. Indeed. Makes it easier to run all those windows applications.
[03:19]  * tjbiddle cringes
[03:19] <SolarisBoy> lol well thats a good reason if any
[03:19] <AbeFM> Mainly, trying to watch movies.
[03:19] <user55> gui is the future?
[03:19] <comica> Hey any gtk programmers here?
[03:19] <AbeFM> it's the past, and the past is here
[03:19] <comica> Or c programmers?
[03:19] <ItsMeLenny> comica #gtk
[03:20] <LigeiaX> AbeFM, so your problem is it takes 2 hours to boot up?
[03:20] <comica> ItsMeLenny: I'm trying to override a gtk function with LD_PRELOAD.  Here my function at pastebin:
[03:20] <comica> http://pastebin.com/W0ffY6RP
[03:21] <comica> It won't compile: override.c:8:21: fatal error: gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory
[03:21] <ItsMeLenny> comica, i know nothing with gtk, i was directing you to the gtk irc
[03:21] <AbeFM> no no, not at all. It comes right up, brings me to login screen (normally I have that bypassed for the GF who's of the macintosh persuasion). Type in password, get black screen for a couple seconds and it returns to login screen
[03:22] <comica> thanks.
[03:22] <LigeiaX> obviously wong password
[03:22] <AbeFM> wrong password gets a wrong password complaint
[03:22] <AbeFM> guest account does same thing
[03:22] <AbeFM> can log in on command line
[03:22] <comica> No such channel, #gtk
[03:22] <AbeFM> lots of details @ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12413210
[03:22] <comica> Do you know the server?
[03:23] <AbeFM> (and on askubuntu, and on linuxquestions, etc etc)
[03:23] <LigeiaX> so, I would guess X isn't starting your video driver correctly
[03:23] <AbeFM> Specific errors of note:
[03:23] <juniour> hi
[03:23] <AbeFM> abe@HBO:~$ cat .xsession-errors initctl: Unknown job: lightdm-session The script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to an Upstart job, but gnome-session --session=ubuntu is not supported for Upstart jobs.
[03:23] <juniour> i am not able to install addtional drivers
[03:24] <ItsMeLenny> comica, #gtk-devel
[03:24] <comica> ok, thanks
[03:24] <AbeFM> can I TELL if it's the video driver? Every time I try in fallback graphics mode it gets caught up trying to use fsck.ext2 to examine system drive
[03:24] <hmm> hi, I am having a really annoying problem.  For some reason ubuntu 12.04 has decided to clone another mac address in my network on its own.  Is there a way to change it back?
[03:24] <AbeFM> which doesn't work
[03:24] <juniour> giving error take a look at /var/log/jockey.log
[03:24] <ItsMeLenny> or comica #gtk+
[03:24] <xman23> quick question: If I have a trash HDD and can't get a replacement today, can I run Ubuntu 12.10 off of a DVD-R I burned the .iso onto an hour ago?
[03:24] <XRS1> want to go from wifi router to laptop to second router via ethernet to second laptop via wifi. how would i do this?
[03:24] <comica> ok thanks
[03:24] <hmm> it's causing tons of collisions
[03:25] <XRS1> you can run it live. set up ranfs to save to USB
[03:25] <juniour>  i am not able to install addtional drivers
[03:25] <dev_> xmas yes you can
[03:25] <XRS1> ramfs*
[03:25] <LigeiaX> AbeFM, that's not good if you're getting disk corruption
[03:25] <AbeFM> I'm not sure if I am
[03:25] <juniour> giving error take a look at /var/log/jockey.log
[03:25] <poz> Hello, I need some serious help with a dual moniter display
[03:25] <poz> nvidia graphics card
[03:25] <xman23> One second...
[03:25] <juniour> ATI
[03:25] <AbeFM> tought I was, but it's got virtual partitions or whatever they are called
[03:26] <AbeFM> abe@HBO:~$ sudo fsck -n /dev/mapper/ubuntu-root fsck from util-linux 2.20.1 e2fsck 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012) Warning!  /dev/mapper/ubuntu-root is mounted. Warning: skipping journal recovery because doing a read-only filesystem check. /dev/mapper/ubuntu-root: clean, 346460/1684256 files, 1778855/6725632 blocks
[03:26] <SolarisBoy> hmm: do you use interfaces file or network-manager or other for network?
[03:26] <hmm> i can use either
[03:26] <poz> who is up for the challenge ?
[03:26] <hmm> I added stuff to the interfaces file but that doesn't change it back
[03:26] <SolarisBoy> AbeFM: can you break to a terminal and umount the root lvm?
[03:26] <hmm> it's driving me crazy.
[03:26] <AbeFM> sure - wouldn't I have no OS then?
[03:27] <juniour> plz helpme
[03:27] <juniour> ??
[03:27] <SolarisBoy> AbeFM: no you would be in /bin/sh or such
[03:27] <AbeFM> I'm logged in via SSH, so just "sudo umount " path as above?
[03:27] <xman23> Okay. It says: Reboot and select proper boot device or insert boot media in selected boot device and press a key. I tried digging around in BIOS for a bit and it says that my primary boot option is the DVD...
[03:27] <hmm> is there a way you can figure out if the old mac address is still located on the network card?
[03:27] <SolarisBoy> AbeFM: youll need to do it from boot up
[03:27] <AbeFM> sudo umount /dev/mapper/ubuntu-root
[03:27] <SolarisBoy> you can either do init=/bin/sh and boot or boot into recovery mode
[03:27] <poz> here is my problem. I have a dissociation between display and control. I have to click on a black left monitor and display on the right
[03:28] <SolarisBoy> once your in - switch to root unmount the lvm and run fsck on the device in /dev/mapper/**lvmname**
[03:28] <poz> all I can see on the left monitor is the mouse
[03:28] <SolarisBoy> but anyway -- it said it's clean actually now that i read it
[03:28] <poz> clicking on the right monitor does nothing
[03:28] <AbeFM> slightly lost here.
[03:28] <AbeFM> you want me to boot in recovery mode? What are you trying to get at? I can boot off live CD or pendrive too
[03:28] <SolarisBoy> AbeFM: so nevermind - whats the actual problem?
[03:28] <PJSingh5000> .quit
[03:29] <AbeFM> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12413210
[03:29] <AbeFM> won't log in
[03:29] <SolarisBoy> AbeFM:  clean, 346460/1684256 files, 1778855/6725632 blocks || it just ran fsck but it was clean anyway
[03:29] <LigeiaX> hmm, that's weird
[03:29] <hmm> it is weird..
[03:29] <poz> can you guys help me with my problem after his?
[03:29] <hmm> I can't figure out why it would do it in the first place
[03:29] <SolarisBoy> AbeFM: which one do you get the pam error or th acpi one?
[03:30] <LigeiaX> hmm, so it's copying another machine's mac address from your nic?
[03:30] <AbeFM> Which pam error? You mean from forum post?
[03:30] <SolarisBoy> AbeFM: yes
[03:30] <hmm> yeah.. but it now seems to be permanent
[03:30] <hmm> if I load up win7 it's the same
[03:30] <hmm> if I run a livecd it's the same
[03:30] <hmm> it doesn't make any sense
[03:30] <LigeiaX> hmm, and you're sure it wqasn't that way before?
[03:31] <AbeFM> both perhaps? I'm running this command which basically runs around and grabs error messages from a variety of logs (suppose I should have it collect .Xauthority too) - see next message
[03:31] <hmm> yeah...
[03:31] <LigeiaX> hmm, what kind of nic is it?
[03:31] <AbeFM> MYLOG=/media/HBO-RAID/RAID-Storage/MyLog$(date +%Ss%Mm%Hh.%d-%m-%C%y).log; echo '['"code"']' >> ${MYLOG} && uname -a >> ${MYLOG} && lsb_release -a >> ${MYLOG} && for LOGFILE in $(ls /var/log/*.log); do sudo grep -iHw 'segfault\|warning\|error\|critical\|lightdm\|\(WW \)\|\(EE\)' $LOGFILE | tee -a ${MYLOG}; done && echo '['"code"']' >> ${MYLOG}
[03:31] <hmm> it's whatever is on my laptop?
[03:31] <hmm> it's wired
[03:32] <hmm> not sure what brand it is
[03:32] <hmm> oh wait.. it's atheros
[03:32] <dev_> gotta love errors
[03:32] <AbeFM> no errors actually show up on the terminal. Could I do like a "restart lightdm" in verbose mode?
[03:32] <LigeiaX> hmm, it is possible for a driver to do this, but this is the first time I've heard of it happening
[03:32] <hmm> haha... yeah.. that's what I thought
[03:33] <AbeFM> full output of that script is at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cNNdi1RWLPL9CqCPG1LJ89wARLFk45rHt3BQ9xD6pYA/edit
[03:33] <hmm> it was working until I had to reinstall 12.04..
[03:33] <hmm> I know it's cloning because I noticed in my router an old entry for the computer.. and the mac address was different
[03:33] <LigeiaX> hmm, it is possible to change it back, but that would require some hacking
[03:33] <AbeFM> I've seen lots of people with the issue - all have stuff I've either eliminated, or they gave up and reinstalled. :-)
[03:34] <hmm> will it permanently change it back?
[03:34] <hmm> because the same mac address is now showing up when I boot win7 or linux mint, or ubuntu
[03:34] <LigeiaX> hmm, you'd need to use a hacked version of the driver to deliberately write the original mac address back to the card's eeprom
[03:35] <hmm> ugh... that's going to be hard to find right?
[03:35] <LigeiaX> hmm, and the details of that are beyond my skills
[03:36] <LigeiaX> hmm, it might be easier to get rid of the other ethernet card that it's copying
[03:36] <hmm> the other one is an old laptop that I use for internet radio
[03:36] <hmm> perhaps that would be easier...
[03:36] <yankees9920> hello, i just installed 12.10 on a new pc i built that has AMDs integrated graphics. I'm using the motherboard's HDMI out but HDMI audio does not show up in the sound settings
[03:37] <hmm> any idea why something like this would even happen?
[03:37] <AbeFM> (ehternet issue) - some routers are made to pick up mac addresses - perhaps his card has the same option, already built in?
[03:37] <LigeiaX> hmm, or you could use a usb thernet for the old laptop
[03:37] <LigeiaX> hmm, sort of like plug in a usb ethernet to it, and sddenly no more conflict
[03:37] <hmm> perhaps... do you know why I'm not able to even change the mac address temporarily on the atheros card?
[03:38] <LigeiaX> hmm, when drivers do stuff like this, it's an accident, they aren't usually designed to rewrite mac addresses
[03:40] <hmm> I have under the /etc/network/interfaces hwaddress  ether "mac address"
[03:40] <hmm> when I restart the network.. it says ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0
[03:40] <LigeiaX> hmm. it wouldn't be that simple if it's also effecting windows
[03:41] <hmm> yeah... I know..
[03:41] <hmm> but it seems like I can't even clone a different address either
[03:42] <yankees9920> I tried running XBMCBuntu and the audio worked just fine there
[03:43] <LigeiaX> hmm, I just thought of a solution, but it would be severe and maybe risky
[03:44] <hmm> what does it involve?
[03:45] <LigeiaX> hmm, when you flash your computer's main bios, often times you need to enter a parameter for telling it the mac address of the builtin ethernet.
[03:45] <hmm> ohh.........
[03:45] <hmm> hmm
[03:45] <hmm> actually.. I just noticed that I typed something wrong in the interface file...  so now I can clone an address!
[03:45] <LigeiaX> hmm, so in theory you could flash your bios and reprogram the mac address back to it's orignal state
[03:46] <hmm> do you know if amd bios normally allow you to enter in a new mac address?
[03:47] <Magoogle> anyone with knowedge on how to setup and connect to a PPTP vpn via terminal, could use a hand!
[03:47] <LigeiaX> hmm, actually the bios on my machine does allow you to enter a new mac address, even without flashing anything
[03:48] <hmm> oh cool lemme see if mine can too
[03:50] <DredTiger> Anyone done a dist upgrade from quantal to raring? If so, how's it going?
[03:50] <xait91> hello!
[03:51] <NCS_One> hi
[03:51] <NCS_One> this new ubuntu DM really sucks on my laptop
[03:51] <yankees9920> Can anyone help get my HDMI audio working?
[03:51] <NCS_One> alot of times it starts breaking
[03:51] <DredTiger> NCS_ONE: DM?
[03:52] <LigeiaX> yankees9920, what is the problem?
[03:52] <NCS_One> Descktop Manager
[03:52] <NCS_One> DredTiger: ^^
[03:52] <LigeiaX> NCS_One, you have the option of using others
[03:53] <yankees9920> I had an installation of XBMCBuntu running and audio worked fine, I reformatted to install vanilla ubuntu 12.10 and now my HDMI audio device is not even showing in the sound settings
[03:53] <yankees9920> using integrated audio
[03:53] <DredTiger> NCS_One: which DM are you using? Which version of Ubuntu?
[03:53] <NCS_One> LigeiaX: do you know why ubuntu changed it, is the new gnome that bad?
[03:54] <NCS_One> DredTiger: ubuntu 12.04
[03:54] <NCS_One> DredTiger: unity DM
[03:54] <LigeiaX> yankees9920, does the sound show up using "lspci"?
[03:54] <DredTiger> I believe Unity became the default back in 11.04
[03:55] <LigeiaX> NCS_One, if you don't like unity there are other dm's to choose from
[03:55] <hmm> ligeiax: okay weird.. so after I cloned the address back.. and rebooted it's showing the old mac address again both under win7 and linux......
[03:55] <LigeiaX> hmm, excellent, case solved :)
[03:55] <yankees9920> LigeiaX, yeah i see 2 entries for AMD audio devices
[03:55] <hmm> can changing the interfaces really do that?!
[03:55] <DredTiger> They wanted to deliver a simple, unified interface for netbooks, laptops, desktops and even tablets
[03:55] <LigeiaX> hmm, apparently so
[03:56] <hmm> linux can be scary haha
[03:56] <yankees9920> also with 'aplay -l' I see  2 records for HDA ATI HDMI
[03:56] <LigeiaX> yankees9920, so the sound card is being seen by the system
[03:57] <LigeiaX> yankees9920, perhaps you could check whether it is seen by alsa?
[03:57] <DredTiger> so, anyone here done a dist-upgrade from quantal to raring?
[03:58] <yankees9920> LigeiaX, in alsamixer I see 2 SPDIF ports under the HDMI card - I'm guessing 1 for the onboard display port and 1 for my HDMI port
[03:59] <yankees9920> The second was muted which i just turned off, but still not showing in sound settings after a forced reload
[03:59] <LigeiaX> yankees9920, it's good that alsa is seeing the audio. so there must be a configuration somewhere between alsa and the desktop
[03:59] <NCS_One> LigeiaX: its not that I don't like it, some times when I change desktop or access Dash Home it starts breaking and I have to hit the power bottom for my laptop to turn off
[04:00] <AbeFM> sniffle.
[04:01] <LigeiaX> NCS_One, for whatever reasons it's not some treaon against ubuntu to try a different dm. Maybe you'd like xubuntu with xfce?
[04:01] <yankees9920> LigeiaX, hrmm its a vanilla install :/
[04:02] <LigeiaX> yankees9920, I don't know, I'm just grateful that my old Santa Cruz works right
[04:02] <yankees9920> haha
[04:02] <mladoux> exactly, I love Ubuntu, hate Unity with a passion. Thankfully, it's Linux and I have a choice.
[04:03] <Cantide> i have a problem on 12.04 - no sound, despite it picking up my sound card
[04:03] <Cantide> checked alsamixer, checked everything ._.
[04:03] <yankees9920> Cantide, welcome to the club :)
[04:03] <OerHeks> !raring | DredTiger
[04:03] <Cantide> haha
[04:04] <Cantide> it worked yesterday! and i don't recall changing anything! -_-;;
[04:04] <cookie> hai o:
[04:05] <kanyl> how do I restart apache?
[04:05] <LigeiaX> NCS_One, why not try my favorite DM, Afterstep :)
[04:05] <mladoux> did you try opening up terminal and running alsamixer to check the volume levels there? I'd try tweaking with that. I'm not sure if it's installed by default.
[04:05] <ghostd0g> from a terminal how can i verify how ubuntu sees a usb key ... would it be in the /dev ?
[04:05] <mladoux> sorry, that was at Cantide
[04:05] <Cantide> mladoux, yeah, i checked alsamixer several times ._.
[04:06] <mladoux> Alright, well that's all I got, I never got the hang of sound systems, sorry.
[04:06] <LigeiaX> ghostd0g, yes, and it would also show up in "lsusb"
[04:06] <ghostd0g> thanks Ligeia
[04:06] <yankees9920> mladoux, in alsamixer i cant seem to edit the sound settings for my spidf output, just my analog one
[04:06] <ghostd0g> Ligeiax
[04:06] <NCS_One> LigeiaX: :)
[04:07] <LigeiaX> :)
[04:07] <mladoux> yankees9920, I really suck at sound system. I'd google your sound card model and ubuntu. I really have no idea how to fix that.
[04:08] <n00bz> hello
[04:08] <mladoux> hola n00bz
[04:08] <ghostd0g> hmm /dev/lsusb no such directory
[04:08] <Cantide> i think my problem may be related to a kernel update
[04:08] <Cantide> but i've not idea how to go back to the previous one to test
[04:08] <LigeiaX> NCS_One, but seriously, Afterstep is lighterweight than xfce and very stable
[04:08] <n00bz> 'llo mladoux
[04:09] <mladoux> Cantide I think you can get to it from the grub menu.
[04:09] <LigeiaX> ghostd0g. no "lsusb" is a console command
[04:09] <mladoux> on reboot.
[04:09] <Cantide> oooh yeah!! why didn't i think of that -.- and how do i access the grub menu again?
[04:09] <mladoux> reboot
[04:09] <mladoux> and it should present itself for a few seconds
[04:09] <ghostd0g> oh no i need to run this "mke2fs /dev/sdz1" where sdz1 is the usb stick
[04:09] <Cantide> it doesn't unless i push something, but i forgot the key
[04:10] <mladoux> just hit your down arrow when it comes up to go into selection mode and pause the timer.
[04:10] <NCS_One> LigeiaX: on openbsd I used FVWM window manager :)
[04:10] <mladoux> you can also edit your grub timeout...
[04:10] <mladoux> just a sec
[04:10] <ghostd0g> i just am having trouble seeing where ubuntu sees the usb
[04:10] <LigeiaX> NCS_One, cool. I tried openbsd, but it always crashed before it finished booting
[04:11] <mladoux> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[04:11] <mladoux> there you go
[04:11] <DredTiger> LigeiaX: I loved WindowMaker back in the day
[04:11] <mladoux> that'll tell you everything you never wanted to know about configuring grub on ubuntu Cantide
[04:11] <Cantide> thanks '-';;
[04:12] <yankees9920> Would AMD/ATI gfx card drivers potentially help my audio issue or do they strictly affect gfx?
[04:12] <NCS_One> LigeiaX: I have one home server with it working for more that 3 years
[04:12] <xisor> hi im back again.... lol
[04:12] <ghostd0g> is there a terminal command that will list all physical disks ?
[04:12] <UltimaKR> hey i just got to this site is this the place to go for help installing ubuntu/xubuntu?
[04:12] <mladoux> just search for timeout to get to the section you want
[04:12] <xisor> i have another problem, the same one someone else had earlier
[04:12] <mladoux> also look at changing the default kernel
[04:12] <xisor> i installed the nvidia driver and now the system boots and stays at a blank desktop with nothing on it
[04:12] <mladoux> you'll want to test it of course before you do that.
[04:12] <LigeiaX> ghostd0g, "dmesg | less" should tell you
[04:12] <xisor> i had to google a shortcut to load a terminal using my phone and then load firefox from there to get here lol
[04:13] <xisor> how do i fix my issue?
[04:13] <ghostd0g> Ligeiax kk thank again
[04:13] <LigeiaX> ghostd0g, there will be a lot more than just the disks
[04:14] <UltimaKR> when i try to install ubuntu i select the "install ubuntu" option and then all that comes up is a black screen with a blinking cursor...then a series of numbers and letters shows up...does anybody know what to do?
[04:14] <Cantide> timeout is set to 10 and uncommented..
[04:14] <Cantide> hmm, i think the problem is elsewhere
[04:14] <xisor> LigeiaX: can you help me fix my problem? i installed nvidia driver and now the system boots to a blank desktop with the wallpaper, but nothing else
[04:14] <LigeiaX> xisor, you're going to have to find some way to get a console screen to fix this
[04:15] <UltimaKR> can anybody help me with my problem?
[04:15] <xisor> already did that LigeiaX , ctrl+alt+t = terminal, i googled it hehe
[04:15] <n00bz> i've never used linux before, installed ubuntu yday, and can't get my internet to connect, can anyone help, pls.
[04:15] <Cantide> mladoux, i'll try shift and esc, apparently those may reveal the menu
[04:15] <Cantide> bbl
[04:15] <DredTiger> cat /proc/scsi/scsi will show all "scsi" devices
[04:16] <UltimaKR> i have no idea how to do the install...i get a blinking cursor and it doesnt work
[04:16] <LigeiaX> xisor, so you will need to "cd /etc/X11" and manually edit the nvidia driver of the config files
[04:16] <xisor> ok, edit it with what?
[04:16] <xisor> is this a common issue or something?
[04:16] <LigeiaX> xisor, well most people like "vi" but I think it's cryptic
[04:17] <DredTiger> xisor: vi, emacs, nano....
[04:17] <xisor> no i mean, what do i change?
[04:18] <UltimaKR> liegeiax do you know how to get past the screen with the blinking cursor?
[04:18] <ghostd0g> Ligeiax ok although i am sure the info might be in that .."output" I am sure there is a easier way to find what i need ... i need to run this command "mke2fs /dev/sdz1" where sdz1 is the usb ... the issue is i am unable to determine what the usb is actually called on my system ... I am trying to follow this http://www.ve3syb.ca/software/bootableusb.html
[04:18] <LigeiaX> xorg.conf
[04:19] <xisor> there is no xorg.conf in /etc/X11
[04:19] <LigeiaX> oh, I forgot, I put my own xorg.conf there
[04:19] <mladoux> xisor, that's default
[04:19] <mladoux> do nvidia-xconfig as root
[04:19] <mladoux> so
[04:19] <mladoux> sudo nvidia-xconfig
[04:19] <xisor> ok it wrote  anew file
[04:19] <xisor> what now?
[04:19] <mladoux> if it breaks, just delete the file.
[04:20] <mladoux> restart X11
[04:20] <xisor> how/
[04:20] <mladoux> easiest method is a reboot
[04:20] <UltimaKR> ok now some bug is coming up saying "bug and cpu #0 stuck for 22s!"
[04:20] <xisor> ok brb
[04:20] <mladoux> it may go horribly wrong, if it does, delete your xorg.conf
[04:20] <\\Mr_C\\> what file do i need to edit to allow root in telnet in ubuntu?
[04:21] <mladoux> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-do-i-telnet-as-the-root-user/
[04:21] <mladoux> \\Mr_C\\ I can't stress how bad an idea that is, btw
[04:21] <UltimaKR> mladoux or ligeiax can either of you help me with the install?
[04:21] <mladoux> from a security standpoint.
[04:22] <\\Mr_C\\> i know
[04:22] <\\Mr_C\\> its just for my own knowledge
[04:22] <mladoux> What are you having a problem with, and maybe UltimaKR
[04:22] <xisor_> im back, well, it spat out an error message about screen resolutions, and is running at something absurdly low now, and still no desktop
[04:22] <mladoux> Alright, just so long as you know the risks \\Mr_C\\
[04:22] <UltimaKR> i have a dimension 4300 and im trying to install but when i select the "install ubuntu" option, i get a black screen with a blinking cursor
[04:22] <mladoux> xisor_ one moment.
[04:23] <xisor_> mladoux: is this a common problem?
[04:23] <UltimaKR> when i burned the disk the md5sum matched perfectly
[04:23] <mladoux> yes
[04:23] <mladoux> it's common
[04:23] <LigeiaX> ghostd0g, how many drives do you have other than the usb drive?
[04:23] <mladoux> what version of the driver are you using?
[04:23] <mladoux> you may want to try one of the other versions.
[04:23] <mladoux> there are a few other things you might want to look at
[04:23] <xisor_> 310 driver, i tried the reccomended tested one last time, and ive tried the 304
[04:23] <xisor_> all do the exact same thing
[04:24] <xisor_> of the nvidia created drivers
[04:24] <mladoux> did you try nvidia-current?
[04:24] <xisor_> yes
[04:24] <mladoux> okay
[04:24] <xisor_> and i tried the two testing ones
[04:24] <xisor_> all 3 do the same exact thing
[04:24] <n00bz> i'm using a VM for linux, so i can use my wondows internet connection. if anyone can help a tard, i'd really like to just boot linux?
[04:24] <mladoux> alright, now that I know what you've done, try opening nvidia-settings ( hit f2 to get a run dialogue ) and see if it lets you set another resolution
[04:24] <LigeiaX> ghostd0g, if you have one regular hard drive then the usb drive will be called "sdb", if you have two other drives then the usb drive will be "sdc"
[04:24] <xisor_> 3rd reinstall so far lol, im getting good at doing it in 5 minutes :P
[04:25] <mladoux> let me know how that works
[04:25] <xisor_> on
[04:25] <mladoux> I've done this a few times, I might be able to get you through it.
[04:25] <xisor_> ok*
[04:25] <Septima> n00bz: what's stopping you
[04:25] <xisor_> F2 does nothing
[04:25] <xisor_> i have no desktop at all
[04:25] <xisor_> ctrl+alt+t brings up a terminal though
[04:25] <mladoux> alt+f2 sorry
[04:25] <\\Mr_C\\> mladoux, you going to tell me?
[04:25] <xait91> anybody know flask?
[04:25] <xisor_> alt+f2 does nothing
[04:25] <n00bz> Septima, it doesn't detect my usb as a modem
[04:26] <mladoux> I did already, but here it is again http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-do-i-telnet-as-the-root-user/
[04:26] <UltimaKR> xisor how are you even getting the install to work? mine gives me a blinking cursor
[04:26] <mladoux> xisor_ just type it in terminal, that's fine
[04:26] <xisor_> ok
[04:26] <mladoux> I'm trying easiest methods first, lol
[04:26] <xait91> :) flask/ html forms anybody?
[04:26] <xisor_> UltimaKR, try hitting a key when the purple screen first shows up, then hit F6 and choose nomodeset option, hit esc and then run the live cd however you want
[04:26] <mladoux> \\Mr_C\\, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-do-i-telnet-as-the-root-user/ sorry
[04:26] <Septima> n00bz: the modem doesn't have ethernet?
[04:26] <xisor_> if that gets you further, youll be at the same point i am
[04:26] <xisor_> anyways, ok you said nvidia-settings mladoux
[04:26] <xisor_> ?
[04:26] <UltimaKR> ok be right back, I will try that
[04:27] <n00bz> no it's a usb modem Septima
[04:27] <mladoux> yeah
[04:27] <xait91> sudo nividia-settings
[04:27] <mladoux> you shouldn't have too sudo
[04:27] <Septima> n00bz: some usb modems have ethernet as well; what's the make and model?
[04:27] <xisor_> i do not appear to be using the nvidia driver
[04:27] <xisor_> is what it says
[04:27] <mladoux> well, yeah, if it works you'll want to
[04:27] <mladoux> alright
[04:27] <mladoux> then you're having another issue.
[04:27] <mladoux> open your control panel, and select software sources
[04:27] <xait91> xisor_ , whats the issue?
[04:27] <mladoux> there's a tab for 3rd party drivers, make sure nvidia is selected.
[04:28] <xisor_> there is no tab for me, i have no desktop
[04:28] <xisor_> i can bring up a terminal and run things, thats all
[04:28] <mladoux> afk, one moment
[04:28] <xisor_> ok mladoux
[04:28] <mladoux> oh... okay
[04:28] <n00bz> Septima, telstra zte 4G
[04:28] <mladoux> brb, and I'll get to fun stuff for you to try
[04:28] <xisor_> xait91: no desktop after installing nvidia driver
[04:28] <xait91> you did sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[04:29] <xait91> and now u just have a terminal
[04:29] <xait91> ?
[04:29] <LigeiaX> xisor_, was this the proprietary nvidia-made driver?
[04:29] <xisor_> no, i installed them using the control panel software sources alternate driver tab
[04:29] <UltimaKR> ok i tried the "nomodeset" but when i click "install ubuntu" i still get the blinking cursor
[04:29] <xisor_> yes LigeiaX
[04:29] <voldyman_> guys i want to write a simple wallpaper drawing application for Ubuntu. how can i do so??
[04:29] <xait91> try reinstalling using my command
[04:29] <LigeiaX> xisor_, that's your problem, the nvidia-made driver basically has a lot of problems
[04:29] <mladoux> okay
[04:30] <mladoux> back
[04:30] <mladoux> I think I know what's going on now
[04:30] <mladoux> I ran into this on my laptop
[04:30] <xisor_> LigeiaX: well, i need full support for all my resolutions, the default driver only lets me use 1024x768, and i assume no 3d acceleration
[04:30] <xisor_> how do i fix it mladoux ?
[04:30] <mladoux> xisor_ in the terminal, type the following --> apt-get purge nvidia-driver-experimental-310
[04:30] <UltimaKR> mladoux do you have any other suggestions? i still get the blinking cursor
[04:30] <mladoux> to uninstall the driver first
[04:31] <mladoux> we'll need to re-install
[04:31] <UltimaKR> then random bug errors appear
[04:31] <mladoux> don't worry
[04:31] <SolarisBoy> voldyman_: http://askubuntu.com/questions/66914/how-to-change-desktop-background-from-command-line-in-unity | like this?
[04:31] <mladoux> you're driver never got built
[04:31] <mladoux> after that, do the following
[04:31] <LigeiaX> xisor_, there is also an open-source nvidia driver made by the linux community, which has a better success record
[04:31] <\\Mr_C\\> thanks
[04:31] <mladoux> sudo apt-get install linux-source linux-headers-generic
[04:31] <mladoux> then re-install the nvidia driver
[04:31] <voldyman_> SolarisBoy, no i meant write an application in python or vala that reads the file and then draws it on the desktop
[04:31] <xait91> sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings
[04:32] <n00bz> Septima, pretty sure this is what i need to do, i'm just not confident to try http://tinyurl.com/cr9eoda
[04:32] <UltimaKR> mladoux, what is causing that blinking cursor? the CD is fine
[04:33] <Septima> n00bz: yes, i believe that's correct; i was just looking at the same site
[04:33] <n00bz> hmph
[04:33] <n00bz> that's not what i wanted to hear
[04:33] <n00bz> :P
[04:33] <mladoux> blinking cursor where UltimaKR
[04:33] <n00bz> why cant it be easy
[04:33] <SolarisBoy> voldyman_: ok so i guess your looking for modules with binding on doing the similar thing? (although you could run system calls in most languages python included)
[04:33] <UltimaKR> when i click "install ubuntu" the screen goes black and i get a blinking underscore in the top left corner
[04:33] <Septima> n00bz: the adventure will strengthen you
[04:33] <n00bz> awwh
[04:34] <voldyman_> SolarisBoy, yeah. somewhat. like use cairo or pixbuf and draw the background surface
[04:34] <mladoux> xisor_ did you get all that?
[04:34] <n00bz> but i think i've already broken stuff, and it's only gonna get worse >.<
[04:34] <mladoux> UltimateKR, ah
[04:34] <Septima> n00bz: you could always start with a fresh install if you did.. i'd give a try and see first though
[04:34] <SolarisBoy> voldyman_: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2051905/access-to-gnome-configuration-information-using-python
[04:35] <mladoux> UltimateKR, did you try waiting, on some computers I've seen it sit there for up to 2 minutes.
[04:35] <n00bz> hah, it's windows that's screwed now, not ubuntu Septima
[04:35] <mladoux> then the desktop loads.
[04:35] <SolarisBoy> im sure pip or easy_install have some --search or -s arg you can use to find other options as well
[04:35] <Septima> n00bz: oh.. lol
[04:35] <n00bz> :D
[04:35] <mladoux> I guess so.
[04:35] <UltimaKR> i waited about an hour, this is the first time trying to install it
[04:35] <mladoux> okay
[04:35] <mladoux> UltimateKR what graphics card do you have?
[04:35] <mladoux> sounds like you may need to do the alternative install.
[04:36] <voldyman_> SolarisBoy, you are thinking about changing the key and let gnome-settings-daemon draw it. i want an app to replace gnome-settings-daemon's background plugin
[04:36] <UltimaKR> ummm not sure I will check...should be the default for the Dimension 4300
[04:36] <n00bz> also, i had issues finding ubuntu when i added an OS to my VM, soooo  now i have several partitions and 2 installs of ubuntu on my HD Septima
[04:36] <UltimaKR> what is the alternative install?
[04:36] <mladoux> Okay, one moment.
[04:36] <mladoux> UltimaKR something you don't want to do unless you have no choice
[04:36] <mladoux> don't worry about it yet, lemme see what we're working with first
[04:36] <Septima> n00bz: gparted can clean the extra partition up and even let you easily resize the other, easily
[04:37] <n00bz> oh, thanks Septima, i will google the crap ooutta that, if i get my internet sorted
[04:38] <UltimaKR> i think the card is a 32mb geforce
[04:38] <SolarisBoy> voldyman_: i see - that sounds like your going into c coding (or not)
[04:38] <Septima> 32 mb? you just gave me an ulcer
[04:38] <voldyman_> SolarisBoy, i'll prefer python or vala
[04:38] <UltimaKR> it is an 11 year-old dimension
[04:38] <mladoux> UltimaKR, does this look right? http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/SYSTEMS/dim4300/specs.htm
[04:39] <UltimaKR> that's why i want to run ubuntu, since the requirements are lower and can be more streamlined
[04:39] <SolarisBoy> voldyman_: have you looked at the source for gnome (or whatever) to see how they do it?
[04:39] <UltimaKR> yes that is it
[04:39] <Septima> UltimaKR: i'd recommend xubuntu or lubuntu
[04:39] <mladoux> UltimaKR I don't think you're going to get vanilla running smoothly on that, you may want to look into one of the other flavors like lubuntu or xubuntu
[04:39] <UltimaKR> this is xubuntu
[04:39] <mladoux> okay
[04:40] <mladoux> Lubuntu is going to be lower resource
[04:40] <voldyman_> SolarisBoy, gnome-settings-daemon's code is not very documented and uses alot of gnome-desktop. i was wondering if any other application draws the background then i could check out its source code
[04:40] <n00bz> ok, wish me luck Septima, and thanks for your help! least i know i'm on the right track
[04:40] <SolarisBoy> voldyman_: not quite sure on that one
[04:40] <UltimaKR> but what is causing the blinking cursor? xubuntu is what i tried now but what seemed to fail
[04:40] <Septima> n00bz: good luc
[04:40] <mladoux> I'd go with the lowest resource version possible
[04:40] <mladoux> it's X11 not loading
[04:40] <mladoux> or trying to load, rather.
[04:41] <UltimaKR> what version do you recommend? is there any way to give me a link to the lubuntu version you think would be best?
[04:41] <xisor> i am back, and have a desktop
[04:41] <xisor> but no nvidia driver
[04:41] <mladoux> You might want to do the alternative install, and install in CLI mode.
[04:41] <xisor> how?
[04:41] <mladoux> yeah, lemme get you the lubuntu link
[04:41] <mladoux> okay
[04:41] <mladoux> did you reinstall the nvidia driver xisor
[04:42] <mladoux> sorry, on two convos
[04:42] <xisor> no
[04:42] <UltimaKR> which of us are you saying to do the alternative install?
[04:42] <LigeiaX> xisor. why not try the "nouveau" driver instead?
[04:42] <mladoux> did you remove it?
[04:42] <mladoux> UltimaKR, you
[04:42] <mladoux> http://lubuntu.net/ <-- UltimaKR try this first.
[04:42] <xisor> thats the one thats installed
[04:42] <xisor> it doesnt support my screen resolutions, and probably isnt accelerated
[04:42] <xisor> i need full hardware support
[04:43] <mladoux> LigeiaX he didn't have linux sources or headers installed, his nvidia driver didn't even build
[04:43] <mladoux> he'd lose X11 entirely
[04:43] <UltimaKR> ok and how would i go about doing that install? what makes it alternative?
[04:43] <mladoux> oh wait
[04:43] <mladoux> misread you LigeiaX
[04:43] <xisor> it already says i have the nouveau driver in use
[04:43] <xisor> i need the real one to work
[04:43] <mladoux> UltimaKR, it's alternative because it has no GUI
[04:43] <mladoux> xisor
[04:44] <mladoux> did you install the the linux-sources and linux-headers-generic?
[04:44] <xisor> no? nothing said to
[04:44] <mladoux> I know it didn't
[04:44] <UltimaKR> ok, so what do i need to do in order do the alternative? I will try this one first though in the morning (letting it download now)
[04:44] <mladoux> xisor: sudo apt-get purge nvidia-experimental-310
[04:44] <mladoux> remove the nvidia drivers first
[04:44] <xisor> already did that and rebooted
[04:44] <mladoux> let me know when that's done
[04:44] <mladoux> ok
[04:44] <mladoux> good
[04:45] <mladoux> now
[04:45] <LigeiaX> xisor, I just looked at the nouveau man page, it provides HW acceleration
[04:45] <FloodBot1> mladoux: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:45] <xisor> its using the default driver now, and my desktop works
[04:45] <mladoux> sudo apt-get install linux-source linux-headers-generic
[04:45] <xisor> but it doesnt support my resolutions, only 1024x768 according to the displays section
[04:45] <mladoux> we'll get there
[04:45] <mladoux> just install those files, then reboot
[04:45] <mladoux> actually
[04:45] <mladoux> you don't need to reboot
[04:45] <mladoux> once those are installed, re-install nvidia drivers
[04:45] <UltimaKR> ok i will let that install and will work on it tomorrow...thanks so much for your help
[04:46] <xisor> ok its installing
[04:46] <mladoux> UltimaKR, just a sec, getting you a link
[04:46] <mladoux> once it's installed, reboot
[04:46] <xisor> reboot before the nvidia driver or after?
[04:47] <xisor> should i update these 200 something packages it says have updates before i do the nvidia driver?
[04:48] <mladoux> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems
[04:48] <mladoux> UltimaKR, ^^
[04:49] <mladoux> after xisor
[04:49] <mladoux> yes
[04:49] <xisor> nvidia driver is installing now
[04:49] <mladoux> xisor perfect
[04:49] <mladoux> xisor let me know if that fixes the nvidia problem.
[04:50] <mladoux> if it doesn't I have 2 more solutions for you
[04:50] <xisor> apparently it skipped module build because kernel source isnt installed
[04:50] <xisor> but i just installed that
[04:50] <mladoux> exactly
[04:50] <xisor> no i mean just now it did that
[04:50] <xisor> it still says i dont have the source that you JUST had me install
[04:50] <mladoux> xisor i knew that was the problem when it said the nvidia driver wasn't loaded
[04:51] <mladoux> really now
[04:51] <mladoux> okay
[04:51] <mladoux> in that case
[04:51] <xisor> it fetched source for 3.5.0-29 and i have 17
[04:51] <mladoux> xisor, purge the driver again
[04:51] <xisor> or something like taht
[04:51] <mladoux> I know how to fix this
[04:51] <mladoux> don't worry
[04:51] <xisor> whats the command to purge it again?
[04:51] <CatMtKing> so.. i don't understand Ubuntu's desktop notifications.  for example, dropbox creates a notification that a file was updated, and states "click to view".  but the notification fades out when the cursor approaches it, and becomes unclickable.
[04:51] <mladoux> sudo apt-get purge nvidia-experimental-310
[04:51] <mladoux> i think
[04:52] <xisor> ok
[04:52] <xisor> i installed current this time, purging now
[04:52] <mladoux> it might be sudo apt-get purge nvidia-experimental-driver-310
[04:52] <xisor> so what do i do next?
[04:52] <mladoux> whatever
[04:52] <xisor> its purged
[04:52] <mladoux> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:52] <mladoux> then reboot
[04:52] <xisor> why would they give you a cd that breaks your OS when trying to install drivers?
[04:52] <mladoux> you may be running a older kernel than the sources.
[04:52] <xisor> i dont understand
[04:52] <xisor> lol
[04:53] <mladoux> lol xisor....
[04:53] <xisor> will i have to reinstall the source again after this finishes?
[04:53] <Septima> you mean like the cds that isps give people?
[04:53] <mladoux> no
[04:53] <yankees9920> so I got my audio working by installing the AMD Catalyst drivers, however now the display looks terrible, everything is very blurry with lots of aliasing even after turning off their underscan
[04:53] <mladoux> the dist-upgrade will do that automagically
[04:54] <xisor> is it normal for things to go this horribly wrong in linux? this is my first time having it
[04:54] <mladoux> or rather, it doesn't need too, since it's just installing the kernel that matches your sources.
[04:54] <Sazpaimon> so my live usb install is not detecting any wireless networks, but my card is being detected
[04:54] <mladoux> xisor, not usually, but nvidia has been known for issues.
[04:54] <Septima> xisor: video drivers can be a pain sometimes
[04:54] <Sazpaimon> it's an atheros chipset btw
[04:54] <mladoux> it's due to them being closed source.
[04:54] <xisor> sazpaimon, start the install process and see if it kicks in, same thing happened with mine
[04:54] <mladoux> Sazpaimon, amen to that
[04:55] <mladoux> er
[04:55] <mladoux> Septima*
[04:55] <LigeiaX> xisor, I have a second machine with some nvidia card using the nouveau driver at 1280x 1024, and it works that way for some reason
[04:55] <Sazpaimon> i don't want to install
[04:55] <mladoux> If nvidia would open up their drivers, it wouldn't be so difficult
[04:55] <xisor> but does it support your monitors native resolution LigeiaX ?
[04:55] <Sazpaimon> I just want a live usb stick
[04:55] <xisor> 1920 x1200 in my case
[04:55] <mladoux> LigeiaX not all nvidia cards are equal
[04:56] <mladoux> I can probably get you native res on novoue as well.
[04:56] <mladoux> I've done that too.
[04:56] <LigeiaX> xisor, I don't know, the monitor that second machine is on is only good for 1280x1024
[04:56] <xisor> Sazpaimon: youll have to setup whats called persistence when setting up your stick, not sure how to do that, but if you have a windows machine linux live usb creator can do that for you while converting your iso into a usb stick
[04:56] <xisor> once THATS done, they can help you get your wifi working permanently
[04:56] <Sazpaimon> I have a persistent partition already
[04:56] <xisor> plus side is your settings can be stored for your wifi network etc
[04:56] <xisor> then these guys can surely help you :D
[04:57] <mladoux> xisor we can try, lol
[04:57] <xisor> lol
[04:57] <mladoux> I know how nvidia inside and out, so you got lucky with me.
[04:57] <xisor> wow my terminal is showing a whole bunch of random looking crap
[04:57] <yankees9920> my display literally looked 1000x better before installing the ATI drivers :/
[04:57] <mladoux> any other card, you'd be sol
[04:57] <xisor> is this what an OS really does in the background?
[04:58] <mladoux> yes
[04:58] <mladoux> actually, it does more than that that you can't even see at the terminal level
[04:58] <Sazpaimon> i have tried two cardsp the internal one, and an expresscard card. both have atheros chipsets, and neither show any wireless networks
[04:58] <LigeiaX> any other kind of card, and there might never have beena problem
[04:58] <xisor> is there a program to see the 0s and 1s in realtime?
[04:59] <mladoux> Sazpaimon lspci and tell me what it says for your wireless card
[04:59] <LigeiaX> the nvidia in my second machine is just builtin to the m/b, it shares system ram of 256meg
[04:59] <mladoux> open a terminal to run lspci ( sorry )
[05:00] <mladoux> LigeiaX I've found some nvidia drivers are easier to deal with than others
[05:00] <mladoux> nvidia cards*
[05:00] <Sazpaimon> i dont have network acess at the machine, so I cannot paste it
[05:00] <xisor> mladoux: someone once told me ATI is really bad in linux, is nvidia worse or something? i know intel is supposedly the best
[05:00] <mladoux> nvidia is great once you get it working, ati doesn't perform as well, but is easier to setup
[05:01] <Sazpaimon> basically, two atheros cards. one AR5418 and another AR242x
[05:01] <mladoux> I'm trying to avoid the novoeu solution as a final resort, as it can crash sometime.s
[05:01] <mladoux> thanks, Sazpaimon that's what I needed, just a moment
[05:02] <Sazpaimon> the ath5 driver is loaded
[05:02] <mladoux> good, it's supported.
[05:02] <mladoux> that's what I needed to get out of the way first
[05:02] <Sazpaimon> the cards how up in iwcconfig and rfkill list
[05:03] <yankees9920> Hello, does anyone know why my text is really blurry after installing the ATI gfx drivers and how I can fix this?
[05:03] <xisor> yankees9920:  check your screen resolution and set it to whatever your monitor is supposed to use
[05:03] <LigeiaX> yankees9920, I thought your problem was sound?
[05:03] <mladoux> Sazpaimon, is this a laptop or a desktop with a card installed?
[05:03] <xisor> LigeiaX: i think his ATI defaulted to a lower resolution on him when he installed it
[05:04] <xisor> mladoux: rebooting, the dist-upgrade is done
[05:04] <mladoux> xisor, lemme know when your back
[05:04] <LigeiaX> xisor, what does that have to do with the sound though?
[05:04] <yankees9920> Well... I fixed the sound problem when I installed the ATI drivers, res is set to native 1920x1080@60hz and overscan turned off, which for some reason was on by default
[05:04] <Sazpaimon> laptop
[05:05] <LigeiaX> yankees9920, were the sound and the video sharing an irq?
[05:05] <mladoux> Sazpaimon - the hardware switch on your laptop to enable and disable your wireless, turn it off and then on again, that will sometimes fix the issue
[05:05] <yankees9920> IRQ?
[05:05] <LigeiaX> you know what an irq is, right?
[05:05] <mladoux> Interrupt ReQuest
[05:05] <one17> is there any way to force uninstall mysql after it failed during install?
[05:05] <TimFreeman> I see that the packages related to opie are no longer in Ubuntu as of 12.04.  Is there some other one time password packege that is present?
[05:05] <Sazpaimon> tried that, no luck. like I said, I'm using an expresscard wifi card too, so that switch shouldn't apply
[05:05] <mladoux> LigeiaX, I would assume that he doesnt.
[05:06] <yankees9920> LigeiaX, no clue
[05:06] <mladoux> Sazpaimon, oh, missed that part.
[05:06] <yankees9920> im running AMD/ATI integrated graphics which basically has a Radeon built on the mobo, that is where I am getting my HDMI out from
[05:06] <mladoux> Sazpaimon open a terminal and run: sudo iwlist
[05:06] <mladoux> tell me if you get output
[05:07] <mladoux> if it lists networks, we're good
[05:07] <mladoux> and I can fix this.
[05:08] <Sazpaimon> mladoux, strangely, I did a hard reboot and it started working ahain
[05:08] <mladoux> lol
[05:09] <mladoux> Sazpaimon I love it when bugs fix themselves.
[05:09] <Sazpaimon> apparently ubuntu doesnt like soft reboots with wireless on this computer
[05:09] <LigeiaX> yankees9920, if your video was blocking the sound before, maybe the sound is now causing bad video?
[05:09] <one17> using sudo apt-get remove mysql-server or mysql-client, or even trying to run autoremove, simply results in an error that mysql-server couldn't be started...
[05:10] <ramon> my system cratched and i got the default desktop and my files are not longer in my folders...is there a way to get them back?
[05:10] <Abhijit> hi. what is the default xubuntu theme name and icon set name in latest xubuntu?
[05:10] <xisor> im gonna assume it worked, 1920x1200 and nvidia logo for a brief instant before the desktop loaded :D
[05:10] <Abhijit> help please
[05:10] <mladoux> Sazpaimon, lol
[05:10] <one17> if I had a USB drive I'd just wipe & reload this machine... :(
[05:10] <Sazpaimon> ok, the network shows up, I try to connect and it doesn't seem to work
[05:10] <xisor> now, a few other minor things to fix/setup and ill be all set to explore linux for the first time
[05:10] <mladoux> xisor, that's what I like to hear
[05:10] <irc4> anyone try steam for linux yet
[05:10] <irc4> err ubuntu
[05:10] <mladoux> Told you I could get you working, and I still had 2 backup plans in reserve
[05:10] <xisor> lol
[05:11] <xisor> how much more complicated were those?
[05:11] <Sazpaimon> well it'd help if I gave the right password lol
[05:11] <one17> is there a way to do a system restore or in-place reinstall?
[05:11] <mladoux> well, the backup plans are a lot less fun
[05:11] <Sazpaimon> its working now, user error
[05:11] <mladoux> I'd rather not think about them
[05:11] <xisor> lol
[05:11] <mladoux> Sazpaimon, yeah, typo's are a bitch
[05:11] <yankees9920> LigeiaX, idk that seems weird because its over HDMI and i've had it working on XBMCBuntu which runs 12.04
[05:11] <xisor> ok, now, i need my sound to come from my built in speakers, and switch on its own if i plug in headphones
[05:11] <xisor> how do i do this?
[05:12] <mladoux> xisor, this is where I'm no longer of use to you, sorry
[05:12] <xisor> lol
[05:12] <xisor> ok then
[05:12] <xisor> how about, how do i install programs and where do i begin with exploring linux?
[05:13] <snufft> hey guys
[05:13] <LigeiaX> xisor, where is the sound coming from now?
[05:13] <xisor> built in apparently, maybe it works on its own
[05:13] <snufft> stupid, small question that i can't seem to find the google answer for: How do i find out what groups have permission on a folder, through the shell?
[05:14] <LigeiaX> xisor, and what happens if you plug in the headphones?
[05:14] <yankees9920> thanks guys, I think im going to try Lubuntu, thats what was working for XBMCBuntu
[05:14] <xisor> dont know, type my name again so it beeps
[05:15] <mladoux> yankees9920, good luck
[05:15] <tomreyn> snufft: ls -l /path/to/directory showns the owning user and group and their permissions, as well as those of everyone else.
[05:15] <tomreyn> snufft: -l as in loooong
[05:15] <snufft> tomreyn: i'm after the specific groups who have access though
[05:16] <xisor> oh hey it works properly LigeiaX , it didnt on the livecd thats why i was asking
[05:16] <snufft> tomreyn: eg, i need to add myself to a group that owns this dir, but don't know what the grou[s called :)
[05:16] <tomreyn> snufft: there can be just one group assigned per file system object. ls -l shows you which group that is.
[05:16] <LigeiaX> problem solved, xisor, a lot of the required software needs to be installed to run right
[05:16] <MasterBob> So, I'm having issues with my crontab. my full cron script> http://pastebin.com/aCXKDk09 | and this is the mail I get > http://pastebin.com/Z2mxLW5v
[05:16] <mladoux> xisor, a lot of times things are detected during the install but won't work without a reboot, hence doesn't work on livecd but does once you're running.
[05:17] <MasterBob> Running which dtach via crontab outputs the correct location for dtach
[05:17] <snufft> tomreyn: aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh, i'm with you
[05:17] <snufft> tomreyn: thank you very much :)
[05:17] <xisor> so, whats next for me? what do i need to do to begin to learn ubuntu?
[05:17] <xisor> now that my hardware is apparently all functioning as far as i can tell
[05:17] <tomreyn> snufft: you're welcome
[05:17] <mladoux> um, what do you want to do with it xisor?
[05:17] <LigeiaX> xisor, patience
[05:17] <xisor> even my bluetooth works and i didnt even have to do anything
[05:17] <LigeiaX> you're doing well
[05:17] <mladoux> xisor that's how it is with most things, your gfx card was the only pesky bit
[05:17] <kion> d
[05:18] <xisor> alot more pesky than download nvidia driver, run it and hit next a bunch of times thats for sure
[05:18] <mladoux> xisor i'd just click around and get a feel for it, try random stuff, you might break it, but more importantly, you'll learn.
[05:18] <mladoux> xisor, it's only pesky in your case because it doesn't automatically require the source and header dependencies.
[05:19] <ramon> i have the system drop down and restarting the computer my desktop when back to default and all my file dissapear so how that can happened?...is there a way to get them back?
[05:19] <mladoux> there's a reason for that of course, I just don't remember what it was.
[05:19] <xisor> shouldnt ubuntu hard code its alternate driver page to fetch sources for your INSTALLED kernel? or ship them with the iso to begin with?
[05:19] <xisor> wouldnt that solve 99% of these issues?
[05:20] <mladoux> lol,I don't think it works that way, but they could make it refuse to install them without upgrading
[05:20] <mladoux> and you can manually request the correct outdated sources, if you really need too.
[05:20] <xisor> they can very well ship the headers and sources for the kernel on the cd that you install, or if you have a net connection, force a dist-upgrade during install, or allow the option for it
[05:20] <tomreyn> ramon: are you saying you rebooted and when the system was back some files were gone?
[05:20] <mladoux> and even ignore upgrades if you want too
[05:21] <ramon> tomreyn, yes
[05:21] <mladoux> xisor, that's a holdback from the days when they used to have to fit it all on a cd, now everything is on a dvd.
[05:21] <LigeiaX> xisor, you might want to save the sources you fetched to make it easier next time
[05:21] <mladoux> This is the first release without a cd install.
[05:21] <xisor> well, ubuntu is still cd sized from what i can see
[05:21] <xisor> they should do away with that nobody has a system that can run this OS properly that DOESNT have a dvd drive
[05:21] <mladoux> LigeiaX won't do him any good, if there are any updates, those sources won't match the kernel.
[05:21] <L3top> xisor: It would require a matrix by pciid which require what across which kernels... the headers package is not always desired in all cases either.
[05:21] <ramon> tomreyn, everything ...pictures, downloads, documents
[05:22] <mladoux> they are larger than cd sized in 12.10 at least
[05:22] <mladoux> cd is less than 700 MB
[05:22] <LigeiaX> mladoux, he has fetched the correct sources now. perhaps he should save those?
[05:22] <tomreyn> ramon: this shouldn't normally happen. it could happen that some files no longer show if your file system is corrupt. also if you stored files on a RAM disk / temporary partition all of them would be gone. yet another possible explanation is that a partition (probably /home) was not mounted on boot for some reason.
[05:23] <mladoux> LigeiaX no, when he upgrades, those sources won't be good for him anymore.
[05:23] <tomreyn> ramon: how did you install?
[05:23] <xisor> mladoux: i fetched sources for a newer kernel than what came with the cd
[05:23] <mladoux> LigeiaX and they don't match the kernel on the cd, so it won't do him any good anyhow.
[05:23] <xisor> so i had to dist-upgrade to fix the problem before nvidia driver would function
[05:23] <xisor> it seems a bit convoluted to me :P
[05:23] <ramon> tomreyn, i have not partition my system...is only ubuntu
[05:23] <tomreyn> ramon: did you make any changes to file systems / partitions / mounts lately?
[05:23] <ramon> tomreyn,  no
[05:23] <mladoux> xisor, no worries, the issue is fixed, the dist-upgrade was because of updates since the cd was released.
[05:24] <tomreyn> ramon: do you basically know how to work on the terminal?
[05:24] <xisor> thank you mladoux
[05:24] <mladoux> xisor, thankfully, now that you have it set up, it will update itself whenever you do an upgrade.
[05:24] <L3top> xisor: this would only be necessary, I am guessing, on a GT series nvidia card... probably a 4xx-6xx series I would guess. What is the output of lspci -nn | grep VGA
[05:24] <xisor> and i know how to fix it if i reinstall
[05:24] <xisor> its fixed alread l3top
[05:24] <xisor> its a 8700M GT actually :P
[05:24] <mladoux> l3top we fixed it
[05:24] <xisor> quite older than that
[05:25] <xisor> 2007
[05:25] <L3top> I am not trying to fix it
[05:25] <L3top> now THAT I find odd.
[05:25] <ramon> tomaw, it went to several system failure and now i just find out there is not files and my desktop when back to the default...even the back ground ...although when i put my password to open my session i can see the background i had
[05:25] <mladoux> L3top it was because he didn't have the correct linux source and header files installed, so the kernel module wasn't built
[05:25] <ramon> tomreyn, i know the terminal a bit
[05:26] <xisor> and the driver section didnt say a word about any of it
[05:26] <xisor> youd think theyd at least say hey! upgrade your distro or fetch THIS kernel source and header first!!!!
[05:26] <tomreyn> ramon: okay, do you also know the pastebinit command ?
[05:26] <xisor> you know?
[05:26] <ramon> yeah
[05:26] <L3top> I understand. I would question what an "incorrect" source and header file would be? You mean mismatched? as in headers was not updated but source was?
[05:26] <mladoux> xisor they have a wiki page that tells you just that.
[05:27] <xisor> but the OS should tell you that, people install and use an OS, they dont automagically think they need a wiki
[05:27] <mladoux> no, the headers and source were updated, but the kernel wasn't
[05:27] <ramon> tomreyn, yes...i will paste it and give you the link
[05:27] <xisor> its frustrating from a beginners point of view
[05:27] <mladoux> xisor, that's why we're here.
[05:27] <XRS1> uh... theres too much hardware to be able to document everything, and we dont have companies throwing hardware at us to make sure its compatable
[05:27] <tomreyn> ramon: great, please paste the output of: cat /proc/partitions && echo [05:27] <mladoux> XRS1 amen to that
[05:28] <xisor> XRS1, but ubuntu devs have probably known for years that the nvidia driver requires sources and headers to function
[05:28] <mladoux> xisor, unless you reinstall, you won't have to deal with it again.
[05:28] <xisor> allowing you to install it without that, and break your OS temporarily, is a bit odd
[05:28] <xisor> yup mladoux  i know :)
[05:28] <mladoux> xisor, but at least know you know what you're in for with your next nvidia
[05:28] <LigeiaX> so newbies need to reinstall often
[05:28] <mladoux> xisor, in the end, nvidia is worth the hassle imho
[05:28] <xisor> nothing at all since id dist-upgrad eand grab sources and headers before bothering
[05:28] <XRS1> Linus Torvalds to nVidia: "Fuck You!"
[05:29] <L3top> XRS1: Language is an issue in here, and that is off topic.
[05:29] <mladoux> XRS1, lol, because their poor interactions with the linux community, I agree with him, they could make their end of it much simpler.
[05:29] <xisor> matter of fact, my friend who told me about ubuntu and said i should try it, his 12.04 alternate driver button installed sources and headers for him before proceeding
[05:29] <xisor> he didnt have to do it manually it just worked with 1 click and a password + reboot
[05:30] <xisor> or maybe that was 11.04
[05:30] <mladoux> yeah, xisor that changed in 12.10, i'm not sure why, but I believe there was a good reason for it.
[05:31] <mladoux> i think it's alternative headers that is the main reason.
[05:31] <xisor> i see
[05:31] <lickalott> All:   my server has been randomly going "offline".  3x in the last two days.  I've checked the syslog but didn't see anything that jumped out at me.   I rebooted it this morning and it was fine, at about 4:00 i was unable to reach it (across the network).  When I hit a button on the keyboard nothing happens (the monitor shows an empty black screen.  I hit the reset button on the case and it