[05:14] <jmabudabi> Вітаю
[05:15] <jmabudabi> Ну хоч боти зі мною привітаються?
[05:15] <jmabudabi> немає((
[07:15] <dwatkins> !ru
[07:16] <dwatkins> ah, they left
[07:24] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:31] <dwatkins> hiya MooDoo
[07:50] <jussi> morning peoples...
[07:55] <popey> Yes!
[07:55] <JohnRobert> hello
[07:56] <JohnRobert> anyone here going to zendcon in europe?
[08:04] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning
[08:10] <MooDoo> morning TheOpenSourcerer :)
[08:10] <MooDoo> morning bigcalm
[08:19] <bigcalm> o/
[08:23] <SuperMatt> \o
[08:28] <MooDoo> now the mornings are over, who's turn is it for the tea?
[08:32]  * popey is on his 3rd tea
[08:33]  * TheOpenSourcerer can't stand tea. Coffee #4 for me ;-)
[08:33] <bigcalm> Getting close to finishing my 1st. Will be on the coffee after that to try and wake up
[08:34] <TardarSauce> I should probably have some tea before the headache sets in
[08:35]  * popey goes to mess up the kitchen now the cleaners have left
[08:36] <bigcalm> Hehe
[08:40] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:41]  * AlanBell puts on another pot of coffee
[08:42] <SuperMatt> I'll just sit here drinking my dihydrogen monoxide
[08:43] <popey> Me too! (enfused with tanin and other chemicals)
[08:43] <popey> my wasp death bottle is filling up
[08:44] <popey> i should clear it out
[08:44] <SuperMatt> I daren't ask what that is
[08:47] <JamesTait> Good morning all! Happy Friday, and happy Egg Day! :-D
[08:48] <AlanBell> egg day ?!?
[08:48] <AlanBell> yay, it really is http://thinkegg.com/index.php/world-egg-day
[08:49] <popey> SuperMatt: http://popey.com/webcam/
[08:49] <SuperMatt> oh, I see
[08:49] <JamesTait> https://www.internationalegg.com/corporate/eggindustry/section.asp?id=26
[08:50] <JamesTait> popey, UFO? ;)
[08:51] <popey> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Large-Garden-Honey-Beehive-Killer/dp/B004ZEEPYY
[09:22] <popey> \o/ hotel booked for oggcamp
[09:23] <funkyHat> I went to oggcamp once!
[09:26] <bigcalm> popey: snuggling up with Dave(2)?
[09:27] <TardarSauce> so yeah, I bought a phone for my sister last night. She seems pleased.
[09:27]  * bigcalm eyes Dave - imposter
[09:27] <bigcalm> TardarSauce: a proper Finnish one?
[09:27] <TardarSauce> pft
[09:27] <TardarSauce> neva
[09:27] <bigcalm> Hehe
[09:27] <TardarSauce> well, maybe some day
[09:27] <TardarSauce> but today is not that day
[09:27] <bigcalm> Sadly
[09:28] <TardarSauce> anyway, a 16GB Nexus 4 from eBay, and some nice things to go with from Amazon
[09:29] <Dave> bigcalm: nah, we spent ages trying to find a room with 2 beds that wasn't in the middle of nowhere and failed
[09:29] <TardarSauce> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51IImjw536L._SX342_.jpg and http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Looc2E9lL.jpg
[09:31] <Dave> (I think we mutually non-verbally decided not to share a bed in base2stay, or whatever the place is called.)
[10:01] <bigcalm> Aww
[10:03] <Dave> The rooms said they're good for one, cosy for 2. Or something.
[10:14] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:17] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:27] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:29] <davmor2> hey bigcalm MooDoo,  how's life?
[10:32] <MooDoo> davmor2: it's friday that says it's all
[10:33] <MooDoo> erm i'm working tomorrow....doh!
[10:33] <davmor2> MooDoo: haha what that you made to Friday or that it is the end of the week thank god :D
[10:35] <bigcalm> davmor2: coping with the week. Thankful that the weekend is almost here
[11:25] <davmor2> bigcalm: how many minute to the bigevent
[12:14] <joshmyers> hey guys - don't suppose anyone in here is running openwrt using Sky fibre??
[12:24] <MooDoo> hi joshmyers I'm not but if you ask your question, then if anyone is aware they may be able to help or point you in the right direction.
[12:24] <dwatkins> I have the Tomato firmware on my router.
[12:24] <joshmyers> thx MooDoo
[12:29] <bigcalm> davmor2: I won't be counting down the mins until the day
[12:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: haha
[12:30] <icmpv6> ikonia nigger
[12:30] <icmpv6> FUCKING NIGGER BITCH
[12:30] <icmpv6> I WILL RAPE YOUR MOTHER
[12:30] <icmpv6> FUCKING CUNT MOTHERFUCKER
[12:30] <TardarSauce> thank you for participation
[12:31] <MooDoo> lol thanks TardarSauce :)
[12:32] <diddledan> I never have understood what so many trolls have against people from nigeria
[12:32] <diddledan> nice that they came in via IPv6 though - even trolls are migrating to the new world order
[12:33] <DJones> What I want to know is how many bridges have internet access, thats where they're supposed to live
[12:34] <MooDoo> I personally loved the amount of different letters they used, so flowery :)
[12:34] <diddledan> DJones: maybe a sewer empties out under the bridge so they hooked into the sewer-fibre system (cityfibre?)
[12:35] <diddledan> H2O networks installs it
[12:35] <diddledan> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7104011.stm from 2007
[12:38] <popey> Moving on.
[12:41] <bigcalm> davmor2: T - 14 days, 1 hour, 48 mins
[12:42] <davmor2> bigcalm: \o/
[12:46] <diddledan> bigcalm: excited yet?
[12:47] <bigcalm> diddledan: ill - been working hard and now that I don't have to work as hard, my body has given up
[12:48] <bigcalm> diddledan: I'm sure I'll be excited later :)
[12:49] <diddledan> \o/
[13:06] <MooDoo> whats all the excitement about?
[13:22] <GentileBen> diddledan: they have issues with people from the nation of Niger.
[13:22] <GentileBen> I'd wager the majority of Americans think Africa is a country, anyway.
[13:33] <davmor2> MooDoo: bigcalm is final being made an honest man
[13:34] <bigcalm> davmor2: how dare you. I shall never be honest
[13:35] <davmor2> bigcalm: you shall or hayley is gonna wail you into the middle of next month
[13:41] <bigcalm> Wail me?
[13:45] <davmor2> bigcalm: Knock you for six I might of picked the wrong wail but whale didn't look right either
[13:46] <DJones> You should have said Wallop
[13:46] <bigcalm> Aha, I see
[14:01] <JohnRobert> is the wayland compositor any good these days?
[14:03] <diddledan> JohnRobert: interested in "how the other half live"?
[14:03] <diddledan> ubuntu will be using mir not wayland, so the other half is everyone that ain't buntu
[14:03] <SuperMatt> I think it's more Keeping up with the Jones'
[14:04] <diddledan> my fence is bigger than your fence!
[14:04] <SuperMatt> tbh, I don't give a stuff if I end up with wayland or mir, I'm just going to be happy to wave good bye to X11
[14:05] <diddledan> I'm going to miss the network transparency of X
[14:06] <SuperMatt> I really haven't xforwarded anything in a long time
[14:06] <diddledan> I like being able to ssh -X into my server and run virt-manager without worrying about the fact that it doesn't work on OS X
[14:07] <SuperMatt> thing is, I'm sure someone will be able to hack in some kind of forwarding that's a little better than VNC
[14:08] <diddledan> that's the thing - everyone who's said that it won't be a problem for those of us used to it has suggested that vnc would be the answer
[14:09] <diddledan> I accept that it's a niche activity, but it's very useful when you get used to it
[14:12] <SuperMatt> oh, I agree
[14:13] <SuperMatt> I think there has to be a better way, I don't always want to see the entire desktop
[14:14] <SuperMatt> what I would *really* like to see is a way to interact with a single application in its current running state
[14:14] <SuperMatt> so I can sit on my bed and control the music player through its own gui
[14:14] <ali1234> SuperMatt: the problem is that the wayland developers think VNC is already better than X11, when it is quite obviously not if you've ever actually used it
[14:15] <diddledan> how can they feel that exporting a display is better than exporting an application when all you want is the application?
[14:15] <SuperMatt> agreed
[14:15] <diddledan> by display I am also including virtual headless "displays" that exist in memory
[14:15] <ali1234> that isn't even the biggest problem with VNC
[14:15] <SuperMatt> and tbh, vnc *is* terrible
[14:16] <SuperMatt> the biggest problem with VNC is that it sends plain text passwords
[14:16] <SuperMatt> anyone not familiar with port forwarding won't know how to get around that
[14:16] <ali1234> no, that can be solved with an ssh tunnel - X11 does it too
[14:17] <SuperMatt> but tunneling is quite difficult for a noob to get their head around
[14:17] <ali1234> the biggest problem with VNC is it can never really know if a window changed or not
[14:18] <diddledan> it _could_ binary diff two independent frames, but that's computationally expensive
[14:19] <SuperMatt> ugg, yeah, having to force a refresh all the time irks me no end
[14:19] <diddledan> X11 just works
[14:20] <ali1234> yes. the second biggest problem with VNC is applications don't know you're using it. if you run mplayer over X11 it will fall back to X11 rendering which works. on VNC, you'll probably just get a pink rectangle
[14:21] <diddledan> the not knowing when a window updates is even worse with compositing because the window manager doesn't get notified when the window updates
[14:21] <diddledan> afaik
[14:21] <diddledan> I'm treading into theory here and not using my learned knowledge
[14:21] <ali1234> well, with wayland the window manager is the compositor
[14:22] <diddledan> yeah, but the compositor doesn't know when a window updates either afaict
[14:22] <ali1234> yeah
[14:22] <diddledan> the app is given a memory range and draws whatever it likes in there and the compositor blats that onto a surface
[14:22] <ali1234> basically in order to make remoting work you need that three way sync that wayland is deigned to remove
[14:23] <diddledan> the compositor doesn't care about what the app does with it's "window"
[14:24] <ali1234> client side decorations are also a problem if you don't like your desktop to look like this: http://wayland.freedesktop.org/rootless-x-under-wayland.png
[14:28] <diddledan> whatever happens, if it's not X then it's going to be painful, simply because X is so entrenched - will apple or a third party make a compatible layer for os x for e.g. like they have with xquartz? will there be a similar movement on MS Windows?
[14:28] <ali1234> that would probably be easier tbh
[14:28] <diddledan> and let's not forget our brothers in BSD land
[14:29] <ali1234> xquartz is awful btw and i expect xmir, xwayland to be equally bad
[14:31] <diddledan> yeah, xquartz is evil. I hate that it behaves as a single application with multiple windows rather than multiple applications each with their own window - apple could have made X11 a first-party compatibility layer within quartz itself, but instead they made it as a bolt-on afterthought
[14:32] <diddledan> imagine if they'd made quartz api and x11 api siblings rather than parent-child
[14:32] <SuperEngineer> Annoyed - Pidgin doesn't seem to understand UTF-8... silly pidgin [no more breadcrumbs for you, pidgin!]
[14:32] <ali1234> SuperEngineer: how so?
[14:32] <diddledan> SuperEngineer: sure it isn't just the font you're using?
[14:33] <SuperEngineer> i type <Ctrl.,;. in here [Xchat] - set to UTF-8... I get ☺
[14:33] <SuperEngineer> i type <Ctrl>,;> in here [Xchat] - set to UTF-8... I get ☺
[14:34] <SuperEngineer> [sorry distracted by phone ringing while typing
[14:34] <ali1234> that is not utf8
[14:34] <ali1234> that is IME
[14:34] <SuperEngineer> i type <Ctrl><;> in here [Xchat] - set to UTF-8... I get ☺
[14:34] <ali1234> ☺ - sent with pidgin
[14:35] <SuperEngineer> hmmm ... stand corrected
[14:35] <diddledan> I've managed to convince my co-workers that the saucy release of ubuntu is in fact called "slimy squid"
[14:35] <SuperEngineer> when I try - recipient says... "I can only see a little box!"
[14:35] <ali1234> they don't have the font then
[14:36] <ali1234> 💩
[14:36] <ali1234> nobody has this character in their fonts ever ^
[14:36] <diddledan> htf did you get that two-toned?
[14:36] <ali1234> two-toned?
[14:36] <diddledan> I'm gonna have to screenshot it
[14:36] <ali1234> probably your irc client can't handle utf-8!
[14:37] <TardarSauce> http://www.iemoji.com/view/emoji/55/smileys/dog-dirt
[14:37] <TardarSauce> is it?
[14:37] <TardarSauce> :-P
[14:37] <ali1234> "PILE-OF-POO" yes
[14:37] <TardarSauce> ah yes
[14:38] <ali1234> do you actually have a font with it so you can see it??
[14:38] <ali1234> if so, which one?
[14:38] <diddledan> where can I post this screenshot?
[14:38] <ali1234> diddledan: imagebin.org, imgur...
[14:38] <directhex> i see the PILE OF POO just fine.
[14:38] <rocky____> hi
[14:39] <MooDoo> hello
[14:39] <rocky____> hello
[14:39] <ali1234> hi
[14:39] <directhex> hi
[14:39] <rocky____> can u hep me about wubi?
[14:39] <MooDoo> !ask
[14:39] <rocky____> i am trying to install ubuntu using wubi without internet is it possible?
[14:40] <TardarSauce> right, symbola
[14:40] <TardarSauce> aw, no debian package
[14:40] <rocky____> i hav ubuntu-12.10-desktop-i386.iso
[14:40] <diddledan> http://imagebin.org/273380
[14:40] <diddledan> see? two-toned
[14:41] <ali1234> diddledan: not really... what exactly is two-toned?
[14:41] <diddledan> ali1234: brown turd, white eyes and mouth, black pupils
[14:41] <directhex> isn't wubi dead?
[14:41] <ali1234> oh, well, your irc client is dislaying a bitmap, not a font
[14:41] <rocky____> it  is giving erroe
[14:42] <TardarSauce> directhex: sadly on
[14:42] <TardarSauce> no
[14:42] <rocky____> Could not retrieve the required disk image files
[14:42] <popey> rocky____: http://askubuntu.com/questions/43029/ubuntu-on-windows-without-internet
[14:43] <rocky____> thank u popey
[14:43] <popey>  np
[14:43] <rocky____> but eventhough im running both wubi and distributor placed in same folder wubi gives me error
[14:43] <rocky____> Could not retrieve the required disk image files
[14:44] <TardarSauce> oh, the font problem seems to be bug 820034
[14:44] <SuperEngineer> wow
[14:46] <TardarSauce> I'm not sure tho
[14:47] <diddledan> I like mark's response: We're design driven. If we have to do poo, let's make it an elegant one ;-)
[14:51] <ali1234> i now have 102 games on steam, 51 of which are supposed to work on linux :)
[14:53] <SuperMatt> \o/
[14:53] <SuperMatt> sometimes there's some problem with a game working in 64bit
[14:53] <SuperMatt> which is frustrating
[14:54] <kecskebak> You don't need steam when you have ClapTraps - it's the only game you'll ever need ;) https://sites.google.com/site/testpilotmonkeyproductions/
[14:55] <diddledan> ali1234: you're about 50% of the way to enlightenment then
[14:59] <MooDoo> diddledan: enlightenment? what you compiling that with ;)
[15:03] <MooDoo> yeah ok wasn't funny
[15:10] <diplo> afternoon all
[15:10] <TardarSauce> möh.
[15:10] <MooDoo> diplo: HULLO
[15:10] <SuperMatt> it is indeed the afternoon
[15:10] <SuperMatt> and it is a sad one
[15:10] <diplo> Any of you guys play any type of Flight simulator, have a friend whose 10 year old son wants to get into it and I know *nothing* basically about them
[15:11] <SuperMatt> the office has been denied our usual friday cake because some people haven't filled in their time sheets :(
[15:11] <SuperMatt> X-Plane
[15:11] <diplo> Plays on ipad atm and the mum has just bought a PC/joystick and wants to know what to by
[15:11] <SuperMatt> is apparently the best
[15:11] <SuperMatt> works in linux too
[15:12] <diplo> OK ta, on the site now finding specs :)
[15:12] <diddledan> it can be difficult due to it's unwavering pursuit of realism
[15:13] <diplo> I've mentioned that to her, and I said it can get expensive if he really gets into it
[15:13] <diplo> So trying to work out a spec that's not overly expensive
[15:14] <ali1234> there aren't many flight sims any more
[15:15] <SuperMatt> them specs for x-plane aren't bad by today's standards
[15:15] <diplo> In the old days it was always the MS one from memory.. couldn't get into it myself
[16:09] <bigcalm> !lts
[16:09] <bigcalm> 2017?
[16:10] <bigcalm> eol
[16:10] <bigcalm> !Precise
[16:12] <awilkins> EOL is 17.10
[16:13] <diddledan> ubuntu stops after 17.10?
[16:13] <awilkins> No, end of life for 12.04 is october 2017
[16:13] <diddledan> is that the target for the rolling release? :-p
[16:14] <dr_barnowl> Work have decided to study porting all our code to the MS stack
[16:14] <dr_barnowl> Which basically means they've decided to do it
[16:15]  * dr_barnowl wonders if Canonical is hiring
[16:16] <diddledan> they think the pain of porting will give them a beneficial ROI?
[16:16] <dr_barnowl> The beneficial ROI is that the guy in charge of the much larger MS stack based team will build his empire larger
[16:17] <jpds> dr_barnowl: Always hiring.
[16:17] <diddledan> aah, you've already got ms stuff in-house
[16:17] <dr_barnowl> Well, it will be a nice relaxing three months of documenting and explaining a few tens of thousands of lines of Java code
[16:17] <dr_barnowl> Presuming my job interview next week goes well...
[16:21] <dr_barnowl> The thing I want to see most on Ubuntu, having been stuck behind a flipping ISA server proxy... is a unified proxy architecture
[16:21] <dr_barnowl> I have a multi-pronged plan of attack
[16:21] <dr_barnowl> I) OS runs a proxy daemon
[16:22] <dr_barnowl> This is because not everything can process i) PAC scripts ii) Stupid auth methods like NTLM
[16:22] <dr_barnowl> II) OS can socksify things
[16:22] <dr_barnowl> See I) but add "some things don't do proxies"
[16:23] <dr_barnowl> Things that are happy calling the "what's teh proxy" call and getting a PAC script can carry on doing it
[16:24] <dr_barnowl> THing sthat are happy getting a nice simple "PROXY <IP_ADDRESS>:8080" can get that, after the OS has parsed the PAC script for them
[16:24] <dr_barnowl> Things that can't cope with proxies can get socksified
[16:24] <diddledan> the question is where that needs to be implemented
[16:25] <dr_barnowl> And behold, you no longer have the situation where what should be first-class apps shipped with the distro like Ubuntu One just can't cope with proxies
[16:25] <diddledan> i.e. the kernel? the libc? an LD_PRELOAD library?
[16:25] <dr_barnowl> Really I'd just like people to stop being silly and use transparent proxies... but they do love their MS ISA Server
[16:26] <diddledan> can't isa be configged to run transparent?
[16:26] <dr_barnowl> Well, good questions... I usually get away with running a proxy like ntlmaps in a user process
[16:27] <dr_barnowl> Dunno enough about ISA - the story from ICT is they can't configure it to do access control lists on just our MAC addresses which sounds suspect but meh
[16:27] <dr_barnowl> Some of us are allowed to download stuff from *gasp* sourceforge and the like, and some of us aint
[16:28] <SuperMatt> man, gnome 3.10 looks proper awesome
[16:29] <diddledan> really? proper awesome?
[16:29] <diddledan> meh, it looks a bit fake awesome around the edges to me :-p
[16:30] <SuperMatt> I think it's good to see a team trying something a little different
[16:30] <SuperMatt> and I like it
[16:31] <diddledan> I've not actually seen what they've been working on
[16:31] <SuperMatt> home time
[16:31] <SuperMatt> o/
[16:51]  * dr_barnowl thinks about learning C++
[18:00] <Myrtti> that was fun as long as it lasted.
[18:10] <ali1234> SuperMatt: literally everyone is falling over themselves to try to be "different" and it is getting a bit tiresome, frankly
[18:28] <apacheuk> anyone else having trouble connecting to Steam after the update?
[18:29] <Azelphur> apacheuk: no issues here
[18:29] <apacheuk> hmmm
[20:22] <shauno> looks like a half-decent ISS pass in a few minutes, if your weather's anything like ours  (coooold but clear)
[20:22] <shauno> (or maybe sooner, since I'm further west than most of you)
[20:36] <StevenR> shauno: over .uk?
[20:36] <shauno> not sure now.  my program says so, I couldn't see a thing
[20:41] <shauno> hm, interesting.  app on my phone says it'll be here in 1hr21 minutes, which sounds like it just went past.  gpredict on my laptop says it just broke the horizon a minute ago.  now who do I believe?
[20:42] <mgdm> both? :)
[20:42] <mgdm> I use heavens-above.com
[20:49] <daftykins> it's like winter here today, rain all night :S
[20:51] <shauno> it's actually clear here, which is quite rare.  hence trying
[22:28]  * Myrtti shakes her head
[22:29] <daftykins> what's up?
[22:29] <Myrtti> I'm just looking at my hilights going mad at #ubuntu
[22:29] <daftykins> heh, i thought that was you for a bit before i read the nick closer
[22:46] <Myrtti> mwahahahaha now it's grouped to my nickname
[22:46] <Myrtti> and I shall *never* give it up.
[22:46] <daftykins> you fiend, you
[22:47] <Myrtti> awful innit
[22:48] <daftykins> THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!
[22:48] <daftykins> (Myrtti)
[22:49] <Myrtti> seriously though, staff nicks are abused so often by spammers etc that I rest a bit easier when I know atleast that one (which I have hilights for, because Finnish language!) in unusable
[22:50] <daftykins> that's true


[12:01] <mxpxpod> Keybuk: and it's in a patch that has a bunch of stuff in it
[12:01] <wasabi> heh. changelogs.
[12:03] <wasabi> You use kernel-package?
[12:03] <wasabi> doesn't it generate kernel-image packages, and not linux-image?
[12:03] <wasabi> ANd not all those cool symlink stuff.
[12:03] <wasabi> Or was that fixed? :)
[12:03] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) the only difference between kernel-image and linux-image is the name afaik
[12:04] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) i hope someone can enlighten us otherwise
[12:04] <wasabi> well linux-source packages are a bit different.
[12:04] <wasabi> They use a symlink farm of some sort in /usr/src
[12:04] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) no kidding, thats why its called -source
[12:04] <wasabi> make-kpkg never build those for me with kernel_source.
[12:05] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) never built the linux-source?
[12:05] <wasabi> the symlink farms.
[12:05] <mxpxpod> is there a reason ubuntu hasn't upgraded to 2.6.9?
[12:05] <wasabi> it just makes flat dirs in /usr/src
[12:13] <FTTP> hi
[12:13] <FTTP> any hoary isos working yet?
[12:13] <FTTP> tried a developmental snapshot which had issues
[12:17] <Keybuk> what kind of issues?
[12:17] <eruin> the 2.6.9 I tried had some crazy issues with kswapd
[12:17] <FTTP> keybuk:  Installer screen came out all messed up
[12:17] <FTTP> it was not usable
[12:17] <FTTP> its only a dev so....
[12:18] <FTTP> keybuk:  Was work done to the newest daily snapshot?
[12:18] <FTTP> or are there any releases which i can try for hoary which are more stable than the others?
[12:18] <Keybuk> not that I'm aware of ... I've not heard that bug
[12:18] <Keybuk> is it in Bugzilla (opened or closed?)
[12:18] <FTTP> keybuk:  I didnt report it
[12:18] <FTTP> should I try the newest snapshot and report it?
[12:19] <Keybuk> sure
[12:19] <FTTP> if it occurs again
[12:19] <FTTP> ok
[12:19] <FTTP> keybuk you a developer for ubuntu?
[12:21] <Keybuk> ish
[12:21] <Keybuk> :p
[12:21] <FTTP> ish?
[12:22] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) Keybuk: pft, you're well an ubuntu dev. :)
[12:23] <Keybuk> I work for Canonical, but most of my time isn't working on Ubuntu itself at the moment
[12:24] <FTTP> ahh
[12:24] <FTTP> what are you responsible for?
[12:24] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) Keybuk: you're still an ubuntu developer, though
[12:24] <Keybuk> FTTP: "Special Projects", heh
[12:24] <FTTP> such as?
[12:24] <FTTP> or they cant be disclosed so they are SPECIAL :)
[12:24] <wasabi> assassinating high level redhet executives.
[12:24] <FTTP> hehe
[12:25] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: I didn't even have my key in the keyring until last week!
[12:26] <Keybuk> FTTP: heh, it's a joke ... Special Projects is the mythical dept. people get transferred to before they're made redundant
[12:26] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) Keybuk: you didn't?  that actually surprises me :)
[12:28] <Keybuk> Mithrandir: nah, almost the only stuff I've uploaded have been that big match of first-run merges
[12:29] <daniels> Mithrandir: would *you* want him uploading to Ubuntu?
[12:29] <daniels> Mithrandir: mdz just has good taste ;)
[12:29] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) daniels: sure, I need my daily dose of crack.
[12:29] <sivang> Keybuk : have you spotted my BOF proposal for a python workshop? What do you think? :)
[12:29] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) Keybuk: I haven't uploaded much either, though.
[12:29] <Keybuk> sivang: I thought "cool" :)
[12:30] <daniels> Mithrandir: craaaaaack
[12:30] <Keybuk> daniels: heh, the trouble with filling mdz's shoes on Tuesday was THEY'RE TOO SMALL! :p
[12:30] <daniels> heh :)
[12:31] <sivang> Keybuk : Feel free to add your comments there, maybe a list of requested reading before it, I want to come prepared :)
[12:31] <FTTP> any 24 hour a day coders over at canocal?
[12:31] <FTTP> :P
[12:31] <FTTP> heh
[12:31] <daniels> FTTP: no, but I've hardly left my laptop in the last 5 days :P
[12:31] <Keybuk> sivang: "Dive into Python" :)
[12:31] <FTTP> daniels:  u know the link for the hoary isos?
[12:31] <FTTP> the snapshots
[12:32] <sivang> Keybuk : ah, then I'm already set :)
[12:32] <FTTP> cant seem to find the link
[12:32] <daniels> FTTP: http://archive.ubuntu.com/cdimage/, I'd imagine
[12:32] <FTTP> ahhh
[12:32] <FTTP> thanks
[12:32] <daniels> Keybuk: speaking of Python -- http://gabe.freedesktop.org/~daniels/old-to-new-ldap.py
[12:32] <FTTP> ill bookmark that :P
[12:32] <daniels> Keybuk: check that baby out :)
[12:32] <daniels> Keybuk: the two password crypting functions are stolen from userdir-ldap, the rest is mine
[12:32] <Keybuk> daniels: what does that *do* ?
[12:32] <Keybuk> FTTP: we have coders in every timezone
[12:33] <Keybuk> and I've certainly done the odd 24+ when I've not noticed the sun come up again
[12:33] <daniels> Keybuk: takes an ldif of our old ldap database, generates an ldif of the new-format setup
[12:33] <daniels> Keybuk: lies
[12:33] <daniels> Keybuk: there's no-one in +1300 (NZ)
[12:33] <Keybuk> daniels: pedant :p  you knew what I meant :p
[12:33] <daniels> or +0950, or +1050, or +1000
[12:33] <Keybuk> daniels: aww, so it doesn't convert woody-era ldap to sarge-era ldap? :(
[12:33] <daniels> Keybuk: but yeah, the code is pretty horrible
[12:33] <stratus> -0300 ?
[12:33] <daniels> Keybuk: nope, just different formats of database
[12:33] <FTTP> keybuk:  Shouldnt you be coding now ? :)
[12:33] <FTTP> heh
[12:33] <daniels> stratus: wtf is that?
[12:33] <FTTP> oh wait your in special projects
[12:33] <FTTP> i fergot
[12:33] <Keybuk> daniels: *cry* ... my ldap server is broke because of that
[12:33] <daniels> Keybuk: i.e. one from some horrid abortion called usradm to userdir-ldap
[12:34] <FTTP> :P
[12:34] <Keybuk> keeps bitching about records not being structural
[12:34] <daniels> Keybuk: should happen ... oh, wack
[12:34] <daniels> Keybuk: how many records?
[12:34] <stratus> daniels, BRT of course.
[12:34] <daniels> stratus: oh, right
[12:34] <daniels> stratus: is that in line with us est, or is it an hour ahead?
[12:34] <daniels> stratus: because we have someone in est
[12:35] <Keybuk> daniels: not a huge number
[12:35] <Keybuk> but I can't figure out what it's talking about
[12:35] <wasabi> oye.
[12:35] <Keybuk> and how I'm supposed to solve it
[12:35] <stratus> daniels, i guess not, checking...
[12:35] <daniels> Keybuk: meh, just do it by hand
[12:35] <wasabi> dpkg is ugly
[12:35] <daniels> Keybuk: probably to do with your objectClasses
[12:35] <Keybuk> I added a silly structural record type to them all
[12:35] <Keybuk> then it bitched about having two structural types in some of the fields
[12:35] <Keybuk> and I declared that I couldn't win
[12:35] <stratus> daniels, no EST is -0500
[12:36] <daniels> stratus: ah.  in any case, actually, we do have people there.
[12:36] <FTTP> keybuy: Array1 is more stable right?
[12:36] <FTTP> err keybuk
[12:36] <stratus> daniels, np but not at -0300 !
[12:36] <FTTP> i tried the daily last time
[12:36] <daniels> Keybuk: you can never win with LDAP
[12:36] <daniels> Keybuk: just lose less horrendously badly
[12:36] <daniels> stratus: yes we do :)
[12:36] <daniels> stratus: i just realised we have some people in brazil
[12:36] <Keybuk> FTTP: *shrug* Array has Colin's hand-built touch
[12:36] <Keybuk> so theoretically it's more ... testable
[12:36] <FTTP> yep
[12:36] <FTTP> :P
[12:36] <Keybuk> daniels: tell me about it
[12:36] <seb128> hum, the archive is not updated ?
[12:36] <stratus> daniels, oh yes the guys at async?
[12:37] <Keybuk> from what I could tell, posixGroup is structural -- but then posixAccount *isn't*
[12:37] <seb128> the new gnumeric has built for hours and is still not available
[12:37] <wasabi> Keybuk, you know much about parsedb and pkginfo struct?
[12:37] <daniels> stratus: aye
[12:37] <Keybuk> but organization is structural ... so what if something's both an Organisation and a POSIX Group?!
[12:37] <stratus> daniels, i see
[12:37] <Keybuk> wasabi: yeah, it's just a linked list of the state file
[12:38] <wasabi> Posix group is messed up
[12:38] <wasabi> nss_ldap also reads groupOfUniqueNames
[12:38] <daniels> Keybuk: yeah, don't use posixAccount
[12:38] <wasabi> I believe.
[12:38] <Keybuk> well, I changed posixGroup anyway to have "gid" instead of "cn"
[12:38] <daniels> Keybuk: i use top/inetOrgPerson/shadowAccount/debianAccount/debianDeveloper
[12:38] <Keybuk> so maybe I just need to change that to be auxiliary
[12:38] <wasabi> posixGroup is a pretty dumb class.
[12:38] <Keybuk> daniels: top isn't structural :-o
[12:38] <daniels> Keybuk: but iirc the old stuff was top/posixAccount/shadowAccount
[12:39] <daniels> Keybuk: in that case, none of our records are, but sarge/warty's ldap still loves me \o/
[12:41] <Keybuk> slapadd: dn="dc=netsplit,dc=com" (line=7): (65) no structural object class provided
[12:41] <Keybuk> objectClass: top
[12:41] <Keybuk> ^ yet
[12:42] <daniels> dn: dc=freedesktop,dc=org
[12:42] <daniels> objectClass: top
[12:42] <daniels> objectClass: dcObject
[12:42] <daniels> objectClass: organization
[12:42] <daniels> o: freedesktop.org
[12:42] <daniels> dc: freedesktop
[12:43] <Keybuk> organization is structural
[12:44] <Keybuk> I hate ldap
[12:44] <mojo> Good morning all fellows
[12:44] (kylem/#ubuntu-devel) ldap >>>>>>> nis.
[12:44] <FTTP> will ubuntu have enuff capital to compete with the likes of novell + redhat?
[12:45] <mojo> I no longer can sync with CVS from gnome.org/gnome-icons
[12:45] <FTTP> developers are top notch i know
[12:45] <FTTP> :)
[12:45] <FTTP> but i worry about capital
[12:45] <mojo> does anyone know something wrong with the CVS server?
[12:45] <Keybuk> FTTP: we have a similar amount of capital in the bank as RedHat, as I understand it
[12:45] <FTTP> keybuk:  Novell has 500mil +
[12:45] <FTTP> it won a microsoft lawsuit <grin>
[12:45] <Keybuk> yeah, but Novell is a much larger business than Ximian
[12:45] <wasabi> yeah but redhat is making money.
[12:46] <daniels> kylem: represent
[12:46] <wasabi> =)
[12:46] <daniels> anyway, this is all horrifically offtopic (novell, ldap, stuff)
[12:46] <FTTP> anyways
[12:46] (kylem/#ubuntu-devel) daniels, and take it from me, i administrate both. :(
[12:46] <FTTP> burning dev cd
[12:47] <FTTP> keybuk:  We will see :)
[12:47] <FTTP> keybuk:  When hoary comes out we will know more
[12:47] <Keybuk> FTTP: true, but then RedHat have to go begging for more money, we just have to excite the boss
[12:47] <Keybuk> actually, the "plan" is to be starting to make money in 18 months time
[12:47] <FTTP> shuttleworth is easy? :)
[12:47] <Keybuk> so more perky-era
[12:47] <FTTP> hehe
[12:48] <FTTP> keybuk:  From what?  just support?
[12:48] <FTTP> keybuk:  I hope your right :) seen too many distros come out and go poof
[12:48] <FTTP> ubuntu has so much potential
[12:48] <FTTP> anyways back to dev chat
[12:49] <FTTP> ---------pretend im not here
[12:49] <FTTP> :P
[12:51] <wasabi> So, who "makes decisions"?
[12:52] <Keybuk> wasabi: it's complicated
[12:52] <Keybuk> the developers make decisions
[12:52] <Keybuk> but if they can't reach consensus, they can ask either the technical board or the community council to make a decision for them
[12:53] <Keybuk> and if they can't reach consensus, we ask Mark
[12:54] <wasabi> Otherwise it's just like Debian, people do what they think they should do whenever?
[12:55] <Keybuk> kinda, the tech board and sabdfl both set direction for people to head in
[12:56] <wasabi> Hmm.
[12:57] <wasabi> Dpkg is confusing me to no end.
[12:57] <Keybuk> it's good at that
[12:57] (sabdfl/#ubuntu-devel) it's usually the pointy end that gets the most confused by dpkg though
[12:58] <wasabi> I found parsedb(), which reads hte control file... but I have no idea what it's doing with the values.
[12:58] <stratus> discarding them? :)
[12:58] <Keybuk> puts them in the package info list
[12:58] <wasabi> struct pkginfo?
[01:00] <jdz_> Are there any plans for LTSP work in Ubuntu?
[01:00] <Keybuk> the package list is global, so it doesn't get passed in or out, just added to in general
[01:04] <Keybuk> oh, would it help to know findpackage always returns?
[01:05] <Keybuk> so if you try and find a package that doesn't exist, you get an empty record to fill in?
[01:05] <wasabi> heh.
[01:05] <wasabi> Right now im just trying to figure out how to expose my new control fields to the code.
[01:05] <Keybuk> thus pig=findpackage(newpig.name); actually makes a record
[01:05] <wasabi> And I don't understand the relation of the pkginfo struct to the deb and to the currently installed packages
[01:05] <Keybuk> add it to the fieldinfos
[01:06] <wasabi> if a package is currently installed, the pkginfo struct you receive makes note of it
[01:06] <wasabi> fieldinfos
[01:06] <wasabi> where?
[01:07] <Keybuk> top of parse.c
[01:07] <wasabi> oh. that.
[01:07] <wasabi> ;)
[01:09] <wasabi> f_whatever = type, w_whatever = ???, other col = ???
[01:10] <Keybuk> name, read function, write function, offset in structure
[01:11] <Keybuk> (or some other integer you want to pass to them)
[01:20] <FTTP> anyone know about module hid in hoary?
[01:20] <sivang> FTTP : it has one? doesn't it?
[01:21] <FTTP> lol
[01:21] <FTTP> i tried the developmental daily snapshot
[01:21] <FTTP> it says fatal error module hid not found
[01:21] <FTTP> so nope it doesnt
[01:25] <wasabi> Keybuk, in pkginfo,   struct pkginfoperfile installed;  struct pkginfoperfile available;   Is available the instance of hte package attempting to be installed, and installation the one that is already installed (or null)?
[01:26] <Keybuk> installed is the one in the status file
[01:26] <Keybuk> available is the one "on the FTP site"
[01:26] <wasabi> cool.
[01:26] <Keybuk> (ie. in the available file)
[01:26] <Keybuk> neither are the one on disk
[01:26] <wasabi> eh?
[01:27] <wasabi> oh you mean in the archive?
[01:27] <Keybuk> yeah
[01:27] <wasabi> Yeah, the archive is just for apt.
[01:27] <Keybuk> remember, APT is a "relatively" new invention
[01:27] <wasabi> but if I do dpkg -i /blah/blah.deb, available refers to that one
[01:27] <Keybuk> no.
[01:27] <Keybuk> the available file is populated by "dselect update"
[01:27] <Keybuk> and mucked around with by dselect
[01:28] <wasabi> Well im totally confused then
[01:29] <wasabi> What is the one "being installed right now"?
[01:29] <Keybuk> neither
[01:29] <wasabi> well im totally confused then.
[01:29] <wasabi> parsedb(cidir, pdb_recordavailable|pdb_rejectstatus|pdb_ignorefiles|pdb_weakclassification,          &pkg,NULL,NULL);
[01:30] <wasabi> does that not read the control file from the .deb being installed?
[01:30] <Keybuk> there's a "pkginqueue" struct
[01:30] <wasabi> not that I can see.
[01:31] <FTTP> hid = Human interface device right?
[01:31] <FTTP> so thats the mouse, keyboard
[01:31] <wasabi> correct.
[01:31] <Keybuk> yeah, that call passes &pkg to parsedb (donep) so parsedb returns the pig
[01:32] <wasabi> pig stands for?
[01:32] <FTTP> wasabi can one submit code changes?
[01:32] <wasabi> FTTP, to?
[01:32] <FTTP> i mean suggestions
[01:32] <Keybuk> pig
[01:32] <Keybuk> piggy wiggy
[01:32] <Keybuk> go oink, have tails
[01:32] <wasabi> ...
[01:32] <FTTP> wasabi to fix bugs like hid not found :P
[01:32] <Keybuk> iwj likes calling packages pigs
[01:32] <wasabi> FTTP, I'd imagine so.
[01:32] <Keybuk> we don't ask why
[01:32] <wasabi> FTTP, bugzilla.
[01:32] <FTTP> wasabi ok
[01:32] <wasabi> okaaay.
[01:33] <FTTP> :)
[01:33] <wasabi> well hell. I dont get it.
[01:33] <Keybuk> K
[01:34] <wasabi> parsedb returns a pkginfo. This pkginfo has an installed and available struct. They are not representative of what is being installed.
[01:34] <wasabi> pkginqueue (which I cannot find)
[01:34] <wasabi> is.
[01:34] <Keybuk> ah, sorry
[01:34] <Keybuk> I see your confusion there
[01:35] <Keybuk> yeah, that parsedb call is told to fill the available pkginfoperfile struct
[01:35] <Keybuk>   newpifp= (flags & pdb_recordavailable) ? &newpig.available : &newpig.installed
[01:38] <Keybuk> inside process_archive, pkg->available is the one you're processing, pkg->installed is the one you're replacing (if any)
[01:38] <Keybuk> I thought you were in another function (the one that calls process_archive)
[02:17] <wasabi> Keybuk, if the field isn't found in the control file, w/f_whatever are not called, right?
[02:20] <Keybuk> right
[02:38] <ironwolf> daniels?
[02:40] <daniels> sup
[02:40] <ironwolf> daniels: when changing s3 to vesa and removing BUSID line, system boots to 640x480 unchangeable resolution. at ~256 color
[02:40] <ironwolf> it's ugly.. what next?
[02:40] <daniels> ugh
[02:41] <daniels> have you got a HorizSync and VertRefresh set of lines in there?  if so, delete them and try that
[02:41] <ironwolf> nope, lines aren't there.
[02:43] <ironwolf> did you ever get lspci -vvv output?
[02:44] <daniels> can't remember, sorry
[02:44] <daniels> just plain lspci should be sufficient (you can paste it here if you like -- just the display line)
[02:44] <sivang> daniels : btw, are we anyway close with Xorg to be able to exploit capable displays for 100hz Vert refreshes?
[02:44] <daniels> sivang: um should work anyway if you just remove the HS/VR lines
[02:44] <daniels> and that's going away soon anyway
[02:46] <daniels> anyway, I have to go crash now
[02:46] <sivang> daniels : I remember fabbione told me that I Need to add a specific rate line..
[02:46] <sivang> daniels : ok I will give it a try :)
[02:46] <sivang> night!
[02:46] <daniels> night
[02:51] <ironwolf> daniels: 0000:01:01.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. Trio 64 3D (rev 01)
[02:54] <ironwolf> night daniels.
[03:04] <mxpxpod> daniels: when did you say that fix for the UTF-8 stuff was going in?
[04:47] <spotter> Is there a difference b/w a release w/ a -(num)ubuntu(num) version over a plain -(num) version
[05:36] <fabbione> morning guys
[05:45] <shaya> fabbione: maybe you can answer this Q for me
 Is there a difference b/w a release w/ a -(num)ubuntu(num) version over a plain -(num) version
[05:47] <fabbione> shaya: i don't grok the question...
[05:47] <fabbione> is that for a package?
[05:47] <fabbione> or for the distro?
[05:48] <shaya> fabbione: package
[05:49] <shaya> for example, I'll upgade from a -2ubunutu1 versione package to a -3 version
[05:49] <shaya> then to a -3ubuntu1
[05:49] <fabbione> shaya: the one with *ubuntu* are packages that contains modification
[05:49] <fabbione> done by us
[05:49] <fabbione> the others are plain imported from Debian
[05:49] <shaya> so in the above example, first they imported from Debian, then they redid the modifications?
[05:50] <fabbione> yes
[05:50] <shaya> is that a "safe" upgrade?
[05:50] <fabbione> shaya: it should
[05:50] <shaya> i guess its only an issue w/ hoary
[05:50] <shaya> [UPGRADE]  zip 2.30-6ubuntu1 -> 2.30-8
[05:50] <shaya> for instance
[05:50] <fabbione> if you are running hoary it might be not
[05:50] <fabbione> hoary is unstable
[05:50] <fabbione> and can break
[05:50] <shaya> yes yes
[05:51] <shaya> I ran unstable for 4 years on my work laptop
[05:51] <shaya> just need to get used to how hoary works
[05:51] <shaya> hence the Qs
[05:51] <fabbione> it's the same concept
[05:51] <shaya> personally, I think hoary would be a great name for unstable (though I guess warty would be too)
[05:57] <wasabi> I'm pretty happy not having a real unstable.
[07:32] <mojo> ehem
[07:32] <mojo> can someone tell me how to enable the MPEG4 codec of RealPlayer 10 without recompiling?
[08:02] <fabbione> mojo: -> #ubuntu
[08:02] <fabbione> this is offtopic here
[12:07] <fabbione> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of locales:
[12:07] <fabbione>  locales depends on glibc-2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu2; however:
[12:07] <fabbione>   Package glibc-2.3.2.ds1-13ubuntu2 is not installed.
[12:07] <fabbione> since when glibc-2.3.2.ds1 is a package on its own?
[12:12] <daniels> it's not
[12:12] <daniels> but ... huh
[12:12] <daniels> that first - needs to be a =
[12:13] <fabbione> ahh
[12:13] <fabbione> never mind
[12:13] <fabbione> i figured
[12:14] <fabbione> it was a leftover of a symlink in my archive
[12:19] <sivang> Morning all
[12:43] <fabbione> daniels: http://people.ubuntulinux.org/~fabbione/xresprobe.diff
[12:43] <fabbione> daniels: do you have any objection to this change?
[12:43] <fabbione> tested and it works
[12:44] <daniels> fabbione: please do the same for ia64
[12:45] <fabbione> daniels: was it tested on ia64?
[12:46] <fabbione> ifeq ($(ARCH),sparc)
[12:46] <fabbione> DDC_OBJS += stub.o
[12:46] <fabbione> endif
[12:46] <fabbione> ifeq ($(ARCH),ia64)
[12:46] <fabbione> DDC_OBJS += stub.o
[12:46] <fabbione> endif
[12:46] <fabbione> ok?
[12:46] <daniels> looks good to me
[12:47] <sivang> daniels : btw, my cousin using your thinkpad-x40-package , got really AMAZED by it, I almost lost him to FC3, but then he broke up and cried for not having his WiFi support and came back :) hehe
[12:47] <fabbione> i can't test ia64 yet
[12:47] <fabbione> sparc works
[12:47] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: that "yet" sounds dangerous.. getting one? :)
[12:47] <daniels> sivang: heh!
[12:47] <fabbione> Mithrandir: no way i am gonna buy ia64 :-)
[12:48] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) fabbione: I was more thinking of sabdfl throwing one in your direction to get xorg rocking on one.
[12:49] <fabbione> Mithrandir: i think daniels will get access to the porting box
[12:49] <fabbione> + we already have the MANIFEST files
[12:49] <fabbione> and xorg builds fine there
[12:49] <fabbione> xresprobe is up
[12:51] <fabbione> i hate when katie is soooo silent
[12:52] <sivang> fabbione : who is katie?
[12:52] <infinity> katie's elmo's girlfriend.
[12:53] <fabbione> sivang: katie is one of elmo's gf
[12:53] <sivang> fabbione : one? how many does he have? :)
[12:53] <fabbione> several..
[12:53] <infinity> A dozen or so.
[12:53] <infinity> At least.
[12:53] <fabbione> i think she is not around at all
[12:53] <daniels> infinity: at least two or three dozen
[12:54] <fabbione> daniels: could you see the message going trouh?
[12:54] <fabbione> trough?
[12:56] <daniels> not yet, but I haven't been able to convince @c.c to love me yet
[12:56] <infinity> http://cvs.debian.org/dak/docs/README.names?rev=1.26&cvsroot=dak
[12:56] <infinity> Has he added more ladies for Ubuntu's use?
[12:56] <fabbione> infinity: i think so :-)
[12:59] <sivang> daniels : funny, he has all this hardware support, and complains about not having gaim 1.0.3 in warty, How rude! :)
[01:00] <daniels> heh
[01:02] <fabbione> i don't think they are running at all
[01:02] <fabbione> elmo: one of your gf is ill
[01:02] <fabbione> elmo: time to call the doctor
[01:46] <Mitario> hello everyone
[03:46] <Matt|> hi all. Sorry to butt in but I have a hoary question, and it's not gonna be answered in #ubuntu. I have a laptop. Since updating hoary yesterday I have lost the ability to plug in a mouse with xorg, and I can only use my touchpad. Anyone know the solution? haven't changed the configuration since updating.
[03:47] <RubenV> since the convert thing basically just copies the XF86 config, it should work
[03:47] <RubenV> i'm not an X whiz though
[03:47] <Matt|> no this was not the convert
[03:47] <Matt|> it was an xorg update
[03:48] <Matt|> was working fine with the last xorg packages before i updated
[03:48] <Matt|> RubenV, thanks for replying btw
[03:48] <RubenV> look in the changelogs of something concerning your mouse changed
[03:48] <RubenV> maybe that'll give a hint
[03:48] <Matt|> i'll try :/
[03:49] <RubenV> Matt|: gotta do something to contribute
[03:49] <Matt|> me?
[03:49] <RubenV> giving some irc help is the best i can do at the moment for the open source community
[03:49] <Matt|> oh i c
[03:50] <Matt|> :)
[03:50] <RubenV> magnificent C skills coming up though ;)
[03:50] <Matt|> *grins*
[03:50] <Matt|> i have no such skills
[03:50] <Matt|> i am soon to be a lawyer ;p
[03:50] <RubenV> nice
[03:50] <Matt|> i was thinking that it would be amazing to work as a lawyer for an open source company
[03:50] <RubenV> defend the gpl
[03:51] <Matt|> yeah
[03:51] <Matt|> any idea where I would find the changelogs?
[03:53] <RubenV> synaptic has a way to do so
[03:53] <RubenV> it's in the menu somewhere
[03:53] <Matt|> oh ok
[03:56] <Matt|> RubenV, nope can't see anything
[03:56] <Matt|> there is a mouse thing, but a different protocol
[03:57] <RubenV> hmmm
[03:57] <RubenV> your X config is still intact?
[03:58] <RubenV> it's a laptop so i guess it's an usb mouse, does it get detected when you plug it in?
[03:59] <Matt|> no it is ps2
[03:59] <Matt|> xconfig seems ok
[03:59] <Matt|> when i plug it in, the light on the touchpad goes out, as it usually does when I plug a mouse in, but then it comes back on again.
[03:59] <Matt|> i've tried with 2 mice
[04:00] <Matt|> i guess i need to try a live disk to make sure it isn't a hardware error :(
[04:07] <RubenV> normally, afaik PS2 is not plug'nplay
[04:07] <RubenV> but i could be wrong
[04:07] <RubenV> hardware ain't really my thing
[04:07] <Matt|> RubenV, mine has always worked fine like that. but I've rebooted too and it still doesn't work
[04:08] <Matt|> Be RiGhT bAcK i'll try and boot knoppix or something
[04:16] <Matt|> RubenV, it doesn't work in knoppix either. Guess there must be something wrong with the mouse port :((((
[04:17] <RubenV> Matt|: can't judge about that, i'm no hardware specialist
[04:17] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) you can't hotplug ps2 mice, no.  ps2 keyboards you usually can, but some people claim to have fried their hardware doing that.
[04:18] <Matt|> hi Mithrandir
[04:22] (Mithrandir/#ubuntu-devel) hi Matt|
[05:24] <eruin> hehe, latest synaptic wants to run as root ;)
[05:26] <Matt|> that is normal no?
[05:27] <eruin> ie it asks for the root password, not the users password
[05:27] <Matt|> fine here
[05:28] <eruin> the password dialog says "Please enter root's password"
[05:28] <Matt|> if you're running it from the menu it should be gksudo /usr/bin/synaptic
[05:30] <eruin> oh yeah, forgot to check that. the menu item got moved from the computer menu to the applications menu (system) and now spells gksu instead of gksudo
[05:30] <Matt|> eruin, you must have moved it ;)
[05:31] <Matt|> it's still in Computer here
[05:31] <eruin> nope, I just did a dist-upgrade thru synaptic and it moved all by itself
[05:31] <Matt|> dunno why that could be
[05:31] <eruin> what version you got installer?
[05:31] <eruin> *d
[05:31] <Matt|> hang on
[05:32] <Matt|> 0.55+cvs20041116-1
[05:32] <eruin> <- 0.55+cvs20041119-1
[05:32] <eruin> yeah.
[05:33] <Matt|> oh
[05:33] <Matt|> lemme see
[05:33] <Matt|> i guess they just take the packages from debian or something and forgot to change it
[05:34] <eruin> yeah, probably
[05:36] <Matt|> are you putting in a bug?
[05:37] <eruin> yeah, I thought I'd ask here first though... since it seems like just a slight goofup
[05:37] <Matt|> mm
[05:56] <RubenV> mjg59: u there?
[06:00] <seb128> elmo: libgnomeprintui sync please
[06:11] <IRCMonkey_> hi
[06:11] <IRCMonkey_> is there a rescue mode on the CD ?
[06:11] <IRCMonkey_> Why not ?
[06:11] <IRCMonkey_> I have installed ubuntu on a slave disk without lilo and grub
[06:12] <IRCMonkey_> I success to boot with a debian rescue disk
[06:12] <IRCMonkey_> is it possible to add a mode rescue on the CD ?
[06:42] <seb128> elmo: sync for "libgnomeprintui gtksourceview glade-2 gail gtkhtml3.2" please :)
[07:09] (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) seb128: done
[07:10] <seb128> thanks
[07:58] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) mjg59: not putting up source packages for your uberkernels make bayb jeebus cry
[08:00] <Matt|> hey daniels you do get around huh ;p
[08:03] <daniels_> bob2: why don't you just install the binary packages?
[08:03] <bob2_> daniels_: foad, i386-boy
[08:04] <Matt|> hey daniels you do get around huh ;p
[08:04] <Matt|> come to visit our fine country?
[08:05] <daniels_> Matt|: yeah, been here for a week
[08:05] <Matt|> ah k
[08:05] <Matt|> how do ya like it?
[08:06] <Matt|> bob2, you too huh?
[08:06] <daniels> yeah, not too bad
[08:06] <Matt|> *laughs*
[08:06] <Matt|> convincing ;)
[08:07] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) heh
[08:07] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) I'm amazed the eye doesn't fall over
[08:07] <Matt|> LOL
[08:07] <daniels> Matt|: tired
[08:08] <Matt|> bob2, the sign of a true geek :)
[08:08] <Matt|> bob2, you've already calculated the engineering of the eye
[08:10] <Matt|> anyway have a nice time
[08:10] <sivang> do we have any known issues with usb cdroms, something about having /dev/sr0 instead of /dev/scd0 ?
[08:11] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) hah, the fact it stands shows I don't know jack about engineering
[08:11] <Matt|> go and see the lloyds building it's cool
[08:11] <Matt|> if you want a tourist tip
[08:11] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) where's that?
[08:11] <Matt|> hang on
[08:12] <Matt|> http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildings/Lloyds_Building.html
[08:12] <Matt|> it's like someone turned it inside out
[08:14] <Matt|> http://www.mykreeve.net/london/the_city/lloyds_building/
[08:15] <Matt|> (if you have time for touristing) :)
[08:16] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) hah, not much, sadly
[08:16] <Matt|> :(
[08:16] <Matt|> watcha doing here?
[08:20] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) some team stuff before the spain meeting
[08:21] <Matt|> bonding huh
[08:21] <Matt|> :)
[08:22] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) hah, and drinking
[08:22] <Matt|> well england is good for that :(
[08:28] <Matt|> have fun guys
[08:33] <spotter> anyone upgrade pmount today and screwed up their dvd mounting?
[08:35] (mjg59/#ubuntu-devel) bob2: Heh. Good point.
[08:45] <lupus_> still no package for transset available?
[08:58] <Kyaneos> hi
[09:09] <zul> cool...i created my first deb
[09:17] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) that reminds me
[09:17] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) if i would like to see X package added to ubuntu
[09:18] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) do i need to have it sponsored in debian?
[09:26] <Keybuk> tseng: that's one way, certainly
[09:27] <Keybuk> we're still working out how direct-to-universe will work
[09:27] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) hm-k
[09:29] <Keybuk> certainly you should follow debian-policy and the maint-guide *anyway*
[09:29] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) yes :)
[09:30] <Keybuk> the only difference between a correct Ubuntu package, and a correct Debian package is where you send it
[09:30] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) was looking for the proceedure to getting a package sponsored
[09:30] <Keybuk> find a sponsor
[09:30] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) my packages are correct
[09:30] <Keybuk> I think there's a website for that these days
[09:30] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) im looking @ mentors.d.o
[09:33] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) oh, jdub added tomboy already
[09:36] (tseng/#ubuntu-devel) jdub: ping
[10:10] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) mjg59: http://gate.crashing.org/~benh/albook-ibookg4-sleep-3.diff, if you want to pimp up the source package with ppc-sleep love
[10:48] <Keybuk> bob2: good flight?
[10:48] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) loooong
[10:49] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) when are you coming down?
[10:49] <Keybuk> tomorrow morning
[10:49] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) ah
[10:49] <Keybuk> should be at Mark's for 9ish or so
[10:52] (bob2/#ubuntu-devel) ah, have to get up early then ;-)
[10:54] <Keybuk> yeah, leave here about 6
[11:11] (elmo/#ubuntu-devel) anyone got an upload to do by any chance?


 @Sick_Rimmit what are the kubuntu funds enquiry about?
 I met with Eric from Ubuntu studio on Friday and they are trying to organise a method to raise funds. I said that I would contact Jonathan to find out about kubuntu funds and how we collect money etc. It also seems like a good idea that at least somebody else should know about how we do that stuff.
 I have also set up to grab a virtual coffee with Jonathan so I can find out a little bit more about how all that can one to fundraising has been working to date
[18:32] <valorie> fundraising without a goal is putting the cart before the horse
[18:32] <valorie> what's our goal?


[07:17] <dholbach> good morning
[07:21] <mihir> dholbach: Good Morning :) have nice day
[07:22] <dholbach> and the same to you mihir
[07:28] <justCarakas> good morning :) spotted an Ubuntu 10.04 t-shirt on the train this mornign :p
[07:47] <dholbach> nik90, "make test" is still not supposed to work, right?
[07:52] <qtros> Hi all
[07:53] <qtros> mhall119 ping
[08:05] <dholbach> nik90, ok, so I updated the branch (lp:~dholbach/ubuntu-clock-app/reboot-packaging) again and the package builds now, but there are a few things missing:
[08:05] <dholbach>  - .desktop file
[08:06] <dholbach>  - autopilot bits are not installed anywhere
[08:06] <dholbach>  - I assume something like "qmlscene /usr/share/ubuntu-clock-app/qml/ubuntu-clock-app.qml" should work, but it doesn't
[08:06] <dholbach>    http://paste.ubuntu.com/7959119/
[08:07] <dholbach> nik90, let me know if I can be of any more help, but I guess we need a cmake wizard to figure the above out
[08:07] <dholbach> nik90, and as I said above, "make test" still explodes
[08:07] <dholbach> popey, ^ short summary
[08:29] <popey> thanks dholbach
[09:24] <nik90> 9:47 AM <dholbach> nik90, "make test" is still not supposed to work, right?
[09:24] <nik90> that's right
[09:25] <nik90> dholbach: qmlscene /usr/share/ubuntu-clock-app/qml/ubuntu-clock-app.qml won't work since it doesn't include the backend libraries.
[09:26] <nik90> dholbach: it requires an additional parameter -I ../backend
[10:12] <bzoltan1> popey: ping
[10:12] <popey> bzoltan1: pong
[10:12] <bzoltan1> popey: that was quick :)
[10:12] <popey> ☻
[10:12] <popey> always, for you.
[10:12] <bzoltan1> popey: i have an MR for the SHorts app
[10:12] <bzoltan1> popey: :D
[10:12] <bzoltan1> popey: https://code.launchpad.net/~bzoltan/ubuntu-rssreader-app/select_many/+merge/229590
[10:13] <popey> ooh
[10:13] <bzoltan1> popey: we have changed the UbuntuShape and the side effect was that direct many_select of the UbuntuShape are not good. The shorts is the only app on the CI dash and on my test plan what is using that.
[10:14] <bzoltan1> popey: Would it be possible to merge that simple change to unblock the UITK landing?
[10:15] <popey> yeah, lets get it merged, leave it with me
[10:20] <bzoltan1> popey: thanks a lot
[10:20] <mihir> nik90: ping
[10:22] <nik90> mihir: pong
[10:22] <mihir> nik90: could you give me reference where  you have date time picker , when we try to run it on device as mentioned by kunal, it gives following error, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1351024/comments/4
[10:26] <mihir> nik90: it looks like we have missed something in Calendar app
[10:26] <nik90> mihir: I am getting the link atm.
[10:26] <DanChapman> good morning o/
[10:27] <nik90> mihir: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clock-dev/ubuntu-clock-app/utopic-3.0/view/head:/app/alarm/EditAlarmPage.qml#L167
[10:27] <dpm> morning DanChapman
[10:27] <nik90> DanChapman: Good Morning :D
[10:28] <mihir> popey: ping !!
[10:29] <nik90> mihir: we get the time from the date picker as alarmTime.setHours(_timePicker.hours, _timePicker.minutes, 0)
[10:29] <mihir> nik90: Hmm i see
[10:29] <mihir> nik90: this is how currently it is implemented in calendar , http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calendar-dev/ubuntu-calendar-app/trunk/view/head:/NewEvent.qml#L277
[10:30] <mihir> This function is being called at start/end date.
[10:32] <nik90> mihir: oh you guys are using the picker panel while I am using just the picker
[10:32]  * nik90 brb in 15-20 mins...quick brunch
[10:39] <mihir> nik90: I see , we are using Date Picker in Repetition http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calendar-dev/ubuntu-calendar-app/trunk/view/head:/NewEvent.qml#L675
[10:55] <dholbach> nik90, ok, let me see
[10:56] <dholbach> nik90, the backend stuff is not installed in the package either
[10:58] <dholbach> nik90, just for reference here's the list of files installed in the ubuntu-clock-app package after the build: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7960127/
[10:58] <nik90> dholbach: Aw I see the list. I was referring to /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/DateTime/libdatetime.so, /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/Alarm/Settings/libalarmsettings.so and /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/Timezone/libtimezone.so
[10:59] <dholbach> nik90, but they're not in a backend dir, right?
[10:59] <nik90> dholbach: they are the compiled libraries that clock app needs. In the source code, they are located in the backend folder
[10:59] <dholbach> right
[10:59] <dholbach> they need to be intsalled into the right place too :)
[10:59] <nik90> dholbach: how does the click package figure this out?
[10:59] <dholbach> it's not a click package
[10:59] <dholbach> but the .deb package
[11:00] <dholbach> it should all be in the cmake file
[11:00] <nik90> true, but I figured the same cmake instructions that click uses should be applicable to the debian installation. I will take a look to see what's wrong there
[11:00] <dholbach> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/Alarm/Settings/libalarmsettings.so is also not the best dir name
[11:00] <dholbach> having something with ubuntu-clock-app in the dir name would help
[11:01] <dholbach> thanks nik90
[11:01] <nik90> dholbach: so should it should be ubuntu-clock-app inside the /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu folder I suppose
[11:04] <dholbach> just take a look at the other files in there - or how other apps do it
[11:04] <nik90> yes.
[11:04]  * nik90 looks at the file manager app
[11:05] <dholbach> rock on!
[11:06] <dholbach> nik90, hum.... ImportError: No module named ubuntuuitoolkit
[11:07] <dholbach> nik90, where do I get that from?
[11:07] <nik90> dholbach: sudo apt-get install python-autopilot libautopilot-qt ubuntu-ui-toolkit-autopilot python3-autopilot-vis are the packages necessary for AP tests
[11:07] <dholbach> thanks
[11:10] <jgdx> elopio, ping
[11:13] <jgdx> brendand, maybe you can answer this as well? Is this[1] conforming well to the page object pattern? Those are helpers for the phone app[2] tests. [1] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7960217/ [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhoneApp
[11:14] <brendand> jgdx, yeah - looks good
[11:14] <jgdx> brendand, nice, thanks
[11:17] <DanChapman> davmor2, hey chap :-). any chance you could try out http://people.ubuntu.com/~dpniel/dekko/click/com.ubuntu.developer.dpniel.dekko_0.2.3_armhf.click on a 3G connection for me. I can't seem to get signal here
[11:17] <davmor2> DanChapman: I can latter
[11:21] <DanChapman> davmor2, that would be awesome (if you can find the time that is).. thanks :-)
[11:22] <davmor2> DanChapman: no worries
[11:44] <justCarakas> I have a question
[11:45] <justCarakas> when you look at firefox OS, they have a lot of awesome and popular games in HTML5 versions, like candy crush, packman, etc, cant we port those to ubuntu touch ?
[11:50] <daker> justCarakas: most of the time they have partnership with the editor of the game
[11:50] <justCarakas> ow, can't we try to get those 2 ? :p
[11:51] <justCarakas> btw is someone already working on watsapp ? just found this http://git.ovz.ca/openwapp/openwapp/tree/master (i need to do a presentation on ubuntu touch an firefox os at my job so I'm doing some research)
[11:53] <ahayzen> popey, balloons, hopefully good news coming for bug 1350529, jamesh seems to have found something and got a patch on its way :)
[11:54] <daker> justCarakas: for ex cuttherope http://mozilla.cuttherope.net/
[11:55] <justCarakas> daker thats awesome :D
[11:56] <qtros> mhall119 ping
[11:56] <qtros> dpm ping
[11:57] <dpm> hi qtros
[11:57] <qtros> hi dpm!
[11:58] <qtros> dpm please, take a look at http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.DownloadManager.SingleDownload/
[11:58] <qtros> on the top I can see "import Ubuntu.DownloadManager 0.1"
[11:58] <qtros> dpm but package name is "UbuntuDownloadManager" (without dot)
[11:59] <dpm> ah, I see. qtros, would you mind filing a bug in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+filebug - this is an example that should be fixed in the code
[12:00] <qtros> dpm do you mean that package name must be changed?
[12:01] <dpm> I don't think so, I think it's a matter of the example snippet needing to be corrected to read UbuntuDownloadManager
[12:01] <dpm> i.e. the dot needs to be removed from the example
[12:06] <qtros> dpm it was my first thought too, but now I think that name of binaries is incorrect, it should use the same naming as  Ubuntu.Components, Ubuntu.Layouts and so on
[12:06] <dpm> qtros, in this case, I'd suggest perhaps asking kalikiana
[12:11]  * kalikiana listens
[12:19] <t1mp> dpm: download manager is not part of ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[12:21] <t1mp> so the bug should not be reported there
[12:27] <dpm> t1mp, where should it be reported?
[12:28] <kalikiana> dpm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-download-manager
[12:29] <dpm> great, thanks kalikiana, t1mp. qtros, so I'd recommend to file the bug against that project
[12:29] <dpm> kalikiana, so do you think the import should be named UbuntuDownloadManager or Ubuntu.DownloadManager?
[12:31] <t1mp> kalikiana found it faster :)
[12:31] <t1mp> thanks
[12:32] <t1mp> dpm: when I look at the list at http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/development/, Ubuntu.DownloadManager makes more sense
[12:33] <t1mp> I don't know if we have an "official" policy for naming of packages Ubuntu.*. Can anyone just name their package like that?
[12:33] <kalikiana> there's nothing to prevent you from doing it
[12:34] <dpm> I think the best thing would be that if someone creates an Ubuntu.* component, if it's good enough then it should be adopted in the platform
[12:34] <kalikiana> also there's no consistency even in qt itself there… and we have no clear policy
[12:35] <dpm> or we could have an Ubuntu.labs namespace for everyone to use. Just throwing some ideas. I don't see this as much of a priority, but it could be good to discuss at the next UOS
[12:35] <kalikiana> dpm: yeah. ultimately components only can get in through the seeds so there's no "risk" of rogue components anyway
[12:35]  * dpm nods
[12:35] <t1mp> we had Ubuntu.Components.Extras once, but we decided not to do that any more
[12:36] <t1mp> because the name somehow implies that we are supporting/maintaining it
[12:36] <kalikiana> the labs idea also came up but there was no clear concensus that it would solve anything for real - if you want experimental stuff you should copy it otherwise test cases will eventually explode
[12:36] <t1mp> so stuff now is either in Ubuntu.Components and we support it, or it is not
[12:37] <t1mp> anyone is free to experiment with their own code, no need to put it in Ubuntu.labs\
[12:37] <t1mp> and when it is good enough (including tests+docs) it can be proposed to be included in Ubuntu.Components
[12:42] <dpm> ah, thanks. Good to know you guys have had that discussion.
[12:47] <mihir> popey: you released Calendar in Store?
[12:51] <popey> mihir: no, but i can do
[12:51] <popey> mihir: just clearing up some bug statuses that were old
[12:52] <popey> sorry for the bug spam ☻
[12:54] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: artmello: Elleo : anyone of you is currently using 14.10 as their platform ?
[12:56] <Elleo> nerochiaro: yep?
[12:57] <nerochiaro> can you build current trunk of gallery-app ?
[12:57] <nerochiaro> Elleo: it fails to build some tests for me
[12:57] <Elleo> nerochiaro: probably the recent switch to g++ 4.9
[12:57] <popey> balloons: could you do the usual, and push all the core apps to the store?
[12:57] <Elleo> nerochiaro: that has some extra warnings for things like unused functions that are hitting a bunch of projects
[12:57] <nerochiaro> Elleo: it seems a problem with QDbus actually
[12:57] <Elleo> nerochiaro: will set a build going now and see what happens
[12:58] <nerochiaro> Elleo: thanks. I have solved the problem, but I was wondering if it was my system being messed up or an actual issue
[12:59] <nerochiaro> Elleo: i also can't currently build gallery in an armhf chroot, though for a different reason. would be grand if you could check if that builds successfully for you too or not
[13:02] <Elleo> don't think I've got an up-to-date armhf chroot at the moment; I could try building on the device though
[13:02] <sergiusens> popey: hey, wrt to the untappd webapp, when I want to sign in (with password), I get dispatched to the webbrowser; have you seen that?
[13:10] <mihir> popey: okay, i just wanted to make sure we don't update until we fix the Date picker issue.
[13:10] <mihir> I'll work tonight after office hours for that bug.
[13:16] <balloons> aye-aye.. a round of core apps coming up popey
[13:27] <popey> balloons: thanks
[13:33] <Elleo> nerochiaro: build failed when linking gallery-app against libexiv2 when building on device
[13:33] <Elleo> nerochiaro: haven't tried on my desktop yet, as my utopic version is a bit out of date, so doing an upgrade first
[13:34] <nerochiaro> Elleo: i had the same problem
[13:34] <nerochiaro> Elleo: would also appreciate if you could use qtcreator to setup a chroot for the device and try building in there as wel
[13:34] <Elleo> nerochiaro: will do
[13:48] <qtros> dpm kalikiana I want to return to talk about ubuntu.downloadmanager
[13:49] <qtros> dpm kalikiana package name on device contains "."
[13:49] <qtros> dpm kalikiana so now we have different names and as result compatibility is broken
[13:51] <nerochiaro> kenvandine: is there any place where the equivalent of transferContentType for a c++ export transfer is documented ?
[13:52] <nerochiaro> kenvandine: I can't find anywhere how to figure out how to the content hub tells me what content type it wants when requesting data from my app
[13:52] <kenvandine> nerochiaro, you mean knowing what the contentType requested was from the transfer object?
[13:52] <nerochiaro> kenvandine: yes
[13:52] <kenvandine> that's what i'm adding right now, Kaleo needed it for the camera-app
[13:52] <kenvandine> nerochiaro, the type was only used to choose the peer before
[13:53] <nerochiaro> kenvandine: but can i already access it with the current API somehow ?
[13:53] <kenvandine> nerochiaro, why do you need it from the c++ api?
[13:53] <kenvandine> no
[13:53] <kenvandine> only in the peer request
[13:53] <kenvandine> not in the transfer
[13:54] <nerochiaro> kenvandine: so it's something that's exposed only from QML but not from c++ ? i'm using c++ for content transfers at the moment as the app is already set up that way
[13:54] <nerochiaro> kenvandine: (gallery)
[13:54] <kenvandine> nerochiaro, but i have a branch adding it now
[13:54] <kenvandine> yeah.. gallery is doing something bad there :)
[13:54] <kenvandine> but we know that
[13:54] <kenvandine> ok, for gallery
[13:54] <kenvandine> well soon you will be able to get it
[13:54] <kenvandine> nerochiaro, i have a branch already
[13:54] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/content-hub/add_type_to_transfer/+merge/229502
[13:55] <nerochiaro> kenvandine: ok, i'm trying that
[13:55] <kenvandine> Elleo, ^^ i was just saying as long as it was exposed right on the qml side it didn't matter... and here's a c++ user wanting it
[13:56] <kenvandine> nerochiaro, basically i'm annoyed that cuc::Type::Known is a struct and not an enum, i'd rather have an enum then put the int on dbus
[13:56] <kenvandine> nerochiaro, in this branch i'm adding a contentType property as a string
[13:56] <nerochiaro> kenvandine: i'd rather do it from QML to be honest, but it will require refactoring the app a bit
[13:56] <Elleo> kenvandine: ah, heh
[13:56] <kenvandine> which matches cuc::Type::Known::pictures().id()
[13:56] <kenvandine> for example
[13:56] <kenvandine> nerochiaro, we need to do that refactoring anyway...
[13:57] <kenvandine> but now might not be the right time
[13:57] <kenvandine> nerochiaro, anyway, so for now you'll have to check the property as a string
[13:57] <kenvandine> in the QML bindings it's exposed as an enum, which is nicer
[13:57] <nerochiaro> kenvandine: absolutely no problem
[13:58]  * kenvandine hopes porting gallery to the qml bindings is on the roadmap for the near future
[13:58] <nerochiaro> kenvandine: after installing the build-dep of libcontenthub0 and trying to build cmake still complain that i am missing "Lcov", are you aware of that ?
[13:58] <Elleo> kenvandine: it'll be the qml side that sets the value though, so as long as its preserved as the "all" string throughout it'll still only need changes to the qml side to make sure its set correctly
[13:58] <kenvandine> Elleo, right
[14:01] <kenvandine> nerochiaro, are you sure it's really failing on that?
[14:01] <kenvandine> maybe not another failure?
[14:02] <kenvandine> nerochiaro, i'm not seeing build failures here and it's been building in CI and silos
[14:02] <kenvandine> nerochiaro, are you on utopic or trusty?
[14:02] <kenvandine> i haven't tried building on trusty lately
[14:02] <nerochiaro> kenvandine: it's failing in cmake. on utipic
[14:03] <nerochiaro> kenvandine: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7961380/
[14:04] <kenvandine> nerochiaro, that isn't a failure
[14:04] <kenvandine> just warning that coverage won't work
[14:05] <nerochiaro> kenvandine: oh, sorry, read to quickly
[14:05] <kenvandine> no worries
[14:13] <balloons> popey, all core apps should be waiting for your approval
[14:14] <balloons> we did find a few with invalid manifest
[14:16] <popey> BOOM!
[14:16] <popey> oh?
[14:17] <balloons> popey, yes. Dropping Letters Music Sudoku Calculator Shorts all complained
[14:18] <popey> balloons: what did you do?
[14:18] <balloons> calculator whines also ;-) and weather won't upload
[14:18] <balloons> I broke all the things
[14:18] <popey> excellent
[14:19] <popey> i will take a look at them and fix them
[14:19] <popey> thank yoU!
[14:21] <balloons> ok, weather finally uploaded.. it gives the same error
[14:25] <popey> what error?
[14:25] <popey> can you be more specific? ☻
[14:28] <kenvandine> popey, any idea why pathwind doesn't show up under games in the store?
[14:28] <kenvandine> where does it get those categories from?
[14:29] <popey> i see it if i search
[14:29] <popey> no idea where they come from
[14:29] <popey> dont think thats all baked yet
[14:29] <kenvandine> ok, some games show up :)
[14:30] <kenvandine> also, out of the subcategories to choose from, i have no idea which one is best for pathwind
[14:30] <kenvandine> feels like we need more sub-categories
[14:30] <kenvandine> but i'm sure we have smart people thinking about that stuff already :)
[14:33] <qtros> popey hello
[14:33] <popey> hi
[14:34] <qtros> popey is someone working on FileManager now?
[14:34] <popey> yes, arto and carlos
[14:36] <qtros> popey cool, I have few advices for them) First one - use icons with better quality! Currently they are scaled up and looks smooth (I filled bug about that but nobody answered)
[14:36] <qtros> popey second one - use multiline Label for file name in "icon" mode
[14:37] <qtros> popey eliding file name with dots inside file name looks bad
[14:38] <popey> bugs welcome ㋛
[14:39] <qtros> popey I filed about 10 bugs (in File Manager, Gallery, UI toolkit) after installing UP on device, but no one answered =\
[14:39] <popey> we have a lot of bugs
[14:39] <popey> ☻
[14:50] <qtros> Guys, since 173 it isn't easy to install an app from IDE?
[14:51] <Elleo> nerochiaro: getting the same error linking against libexiv2 on the desktop as on the device
[14:52] <Elleo> nerochiaro: will setup a chroot after my next meeting, but I expect it'll be the same there too
[14:55] <Boogle> i have been working on app and was wondering how to test outside of sdk
[14:56] <Boogle> without touch or emulator
[14:56] <t1mp> Boogle: are you on utopic or trusty?
[14:57] <Boogle> trusty
[14:57] <t1mp> on utopic should just work, on trusty you probably don't have the latest UI toolkit
[14:57] <t1mp> Boogle: are you using Ubuntu.Components?
[14:57] <Boogle> Uuntu sdk
[14:57] <Boogle> ubuntu sdk
[14:57] <t1mp> Boogle: QML app?
[14:57] <Boogle> html5
[14:58] <t1mp> oh ok, I don't know anything about that. Maybe someone else here?
[14:58] <Boogle> ok thanks anyway
[15:08] <nerochiaro> Elleo: ok, that's strange. i don't get the exiv2 problem on desktop
[15:08] <Boogle> what do i do with a click file?
[15:10] <Elleo> nerochiaro: I get that on both desktop and device with latest utopic, that's with a click build, haven't tried a deb build
[15:15] <nerochiaro> Elleo: can you just try building cmake and make on desktop ?
[15:18] <Elleo> nerochiaro: building now
[15:19] <Boogle> how do i launch my project on my desktop outside of sdk i have a click file
[15:19] <Boogle> html5
[15:25] <DanChapman> Boogle if i remember correctly (it's been a while since i did an html5 app) you can use ubuntu-html5-app-launcher from the command line
[15:28] <Boogle> thankyou
[15:30] <Boogle> does html5 mean webapp?
[15:31] <Boogle> mean that the app is a webapp
[15:45] <daker> HTML5 apps = packaged app(think like chrome apps)
[15:46] <daker> Webapps = Remote webapps(ex : mobile.twitter.com)
[15:47] <Boogle> shame now i have to recode qml
[15:47] <Boogle> thanks for the help
[15:49] <Boogle> what is difference between qt quick and qml
[15:56] <t1mp> Boogle: qml is only the language, qtquick includes qml and tools, see http://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt_Quick
[16:01] <elopio> jgdx: how do you get to run the tests from your development branch?
[16:02] <elopio> do you do sudo make install?
[17:00] <dpm> jdstrand, could you help us with some more advice on how to track what could be causing the apparmor denial on bug 1351041? The app works in devel, but not in -proposed, so we don't even have a gut feeling on what could have caused it
[17:03] <jdstrand> dpm: the apparmor denial (while correct) may be a red herring on the bug
[17:03] <jdstrand> dpm: to test, add to /var/lib/apparmor/profiles/click_com.ubuntu.reminders_reminders_0.5.203 (assuming that is the version you are using):
[17:03] <jdstrand>  /run/user/32011/ w,
[17:04] <jdstrand> then do:
[17:04] <jdstrand> sudo apparmor_parser -r /var/lib/apparmor/profiles/click_com.ubuntu.reminders_reminders_0.5.203
[17:04] <dpm> ok, on it, thanks
[17:05] <jdstrand> dpm: that allows the app do what it is trying to do (get rid of the denial) so you can see if it is the cause of the bug
[17:05] <dpm> ack
[17:06] <jdstrand> dpm: after doing the above, try trigger the bug. either way, check /var/log/syslog for new denials (sometimes allowing one access uncovers another)
[17:07] <ahayzen> balloons, ping
[17:07] <dpm> argh, can't edit that file? The phablet password no longer works
[17:07] <dpm> ogra_, how can I use sudo in image 172? It doesn't take phablet or an empty password
[17:13] <balloons> ahayzen, pong
[17:14] <ahayzen> balloons, just wanted to check (as we got caught out before), your change to bump the framework version, you don't need to bump the app armor policy aswell?
[17:16] <balloons> ahayzen, this time around, we shouldn't need to do so
[17:17] <ahayzen> balloons, cool thanks just wanted to double check :)
[17:17] <balloons> ahayzen, yes good to ask questions :-)
[17:17] <ahayzen> :)
[17:19] <ahayzen> balloons, also FYI the ms2 fix appears to be working, just about to run ap on device to check
[17:21] <balloons> ahayzen, yes I saw the good news this morning
[17:21] <balloons> awesome!
[17:21] <bzoltan1> nik90:  if you are around, would you have few minutes to check out the latest QtC plugin from the Tools Development PPA on Trusty?
[17:22]  * ahayzen waits patiently for autopilot
[17:22] <nik90> bzoltan1: hey, sure. What do you want me to test in particular?
[17:23] <bzoltan1> nik90:  there is a startup wizard. It should show correct data.
[17:23] <nik90> bzoltan1: ah that.I tried it out yesterday :D
[17:23] <nik90> bzoltan1: but will look into more closely now and report back
[17:23] <ahayzen> balloons, i'm seeing 'ubuntuuitoolkit._custom_proxy_objects._common.ToolkitException: The main view has no header.'
[17:23] <bzoltan1> nik90:  ohh, cool
[17:24] <bzoltan1> nik90:  what you can see now is correct framework list and policy versions in the Publish page
[17:24] <nik90> bzoltan1: does the framework list depend on the chroots that the developer has installed?
[17:28] <ogra_> dpm, empty should definitely work (it does for me)
[17:29] <ogra_> dpm, if it doesnt, just set a new one with passwd ;)
[17:30] <dpm> ogra_, ooooh, I see what happened: I set the locking access code, and of course, that's the same password I should pass to sudo
[17:30] <ogra_> indeed
[17:31] <ogra_> your super secure four digit sudo PIN ;)
[17:31] <dpm> yay
[17:32] <balloons> ahayzen, is your toolkit helper up to date?
[17:33] <ahayzen> balloons, how would i know? i'm on the latest image on device...
[17:42] <dpm> popey, on your phone, what version of Reminders does 'click list' return?
[17:44] <balloons> ahayzen, how are you running the tests?
[17:45] <ahayzen> balloons, i run this script http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7963036/
[17:46] <balloons> ahayzen, ok, so the phablet-click-test-setup should pull the latest helpers
[17:46] <balloons> ahayzen, I'd be happy to try as well
[17:46] <ahayzen> balloons, i just tried running that without the --click because i thought that might have caused it
[17:47] <ahayzen> balloons, that would be helpful... you need to add this silo http://people.canonical.com/~platform/citrain_dashboard/#?q=landing-011
[17:47] <balloons> ahayzen, mmm.. I'm not sure if passing --click doesn't pull the depends needed or not
[17:48] <ahayzen> balloons, i'm gonna have dinner i'll try a few things when i get back and report back :)
[17:49] <balloons> ahayzen, ok I'll add the silo and try myself
[17:49] <ahayzen> balloons, thanks
[17:52] <popey> dpm: com.ubuntu.reminders	0.5.203
[17:52] <dpm> popey, thanks, I had a 0.5.latest installed, but I can reproduce the bug with both
[17:54] <dpm> jdstrand, so I tried your suggestion, but either I did something wrong, or it had no effect -> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7963100/ any ideas?
[17:56] <dpm> ok, sorry, permission added to the wrong place in the file
[17:56] <dpm> let me try again...
[17:59] <dpm> so, adding that permission gets rid of the denial, but the app does still not load any notes
[18:05] <bzoltan1> nik90: it depends on the selected chroot, yes
[18:07] <nik90> bzoltan1: got a small issue. I closed the wizard and checked the box to not show it again yesterday. How do I reenable it?
[18:08] <balloons> ahayzen, just fyi, music tests run fine for me
[18:08] <bzoltan1> nik90:  just delete the ~/.config/ubuntu-sdk/firstrun
[18:08] <nik90> bzoltan1: ah thnx
[18:13] <bzoltan1> dpm: mhall119: I have justrelease the latest QtCreator and the Ubuntu plugin with all the new stuff (details on the ML). It was tested and dogfooded like no release before, but never know...
[18:15] <mhall119> bzoltan1: heh, I just finished upgrading, time to apt-get update again :)
[18:17] <bzoltan1> mhall119: :) good luck. feedbacks are welcome!
[18:18] <mhall119> bzoltan1: is this released for Trusty?
[18:19] <bzoltan1> mhall119:  from the SDK PPA, only dist-upgrade will show it
[18:19] <mhall119> ah, ok, good to know
[18:28] <jdstrand> dpm: put it before the last '}', not the 2nd to last like it is in the paste now
[18:29] <jdstrand> dpm: ah, you figured it out. so, seems it is not apparmor. perhaps check ~/cache/upstart/...
[18:36] <dpm> jdstrand, yeah, I checked that out. It seems that the apparmor denial comes from signond, so it might be related to UOA after all. That's as much as I can figure out from the log, so I'll have a chat with mardy tomorrow
[18:44] <jdstrand> interesting
[18:46] <nik90> t1mp: I think I found a regression. The back button in the unity dash scopes are white in color while the title is grey. The white back button is barely visible
[18:47] <nik90> t1mp: https://imgur.com/nf4A55S
[18:47] <nik90> popey: can you confirm ^^ (image 173)
[18:49] <dpm> nik90, I can confirm, I was going to report it too
[18:49] <dpm> it not only affects the back button, also the search icon
[18:50] <nik90> dpm: lol I can barely see the search icon :P
[18:50]  * nik90 goes to report the bug
[18:52] <dpm> ok, thanks nik90 :)
[18:52] <nik90> dpm: yw
[18:57] <nik90> dpm: bug 1353048
[19:00] <dpm> nik90, confirmed, thanks!
[19:12] <dpm> thanks a lot bzoltan1, and sorry for the late reply
[19:17] <mihir> nik90: ping !!
[19:17] <mihir> nik90:  Is Panel DateTimePicker has been depriciated or ?
[19:18] <nik90> mihir: no idea..
[19:18] <nik90> mihir: tbh, I dont think so. Even if it was deprecated you would have got the message
[19:19] <mihir> nik90: hmmm , i am still not able to figure out why it does work on desktop and not on device.
[19:19] <nik90> mihir: did you talk to any SDK dev?
[19:20] <mihir> nik90: whou would be the right person to ask ?
[19:21] <nik90> mihir: I think zsombor would know about this.
[19:21] <nik90> although I am not sure if zsombor is back from his vacation
[19:21] <mihir> okay , thanks nik90 i'll try to speak to him.
[19:21] <nik90> if not talk to kalikiana
[19:21] <mihir> kalikiana: ping !!!
[19:23] <ahayzen> balloons, cool thanks
[19:28] <mihir> popey: ping !!
[19:32] <nik90> balloons: did you look at the qa dashboard? Clock app has 16.7% pass :/
[19:34] <balloons> nik90, clock isn't alone today
[19:35] <balloons> the autopilot.exceptions.ProcessSearchError: Search criteria (pid = 4259, object path = '/com/canonical/Autopilot/Introspection') returned no results is indicative of the aa click hook not being invoked before running
[19:35] <balloons> in other words autopilot never got to introspect the app on those tests
[19:35] <nik90> oh
[19:37] <mihir> balloons: regarding dateTime picker in Calendar, there is some change in UI
[19:37] <balloons> hey mihir
[19:38] <mihir> hey balloons
[19:38] <mihir> How are you ?
[19:39] <balloons> good.. I was hoping to hear from you or kunal about datetimepicker
[19:39] <balloons> what did you discover?
[19:40] <mihir> balloons: actually datepicker using picker Panel instead of DatePicker componont
[19:40] <mihir> balloons: it gives following console output, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1351024/comments/4
[19:40] <mihir> so either we need to talk to sdk team and figure out what is change or use DatePicker componont.
[19:54] <nik90> mihir: it would help if you can create a sample app with just the datepicker and see if you can reproduce the bug on the device.
[19:55] <nik90> mihir: this will confirm that it is not localised to the calendar app
[19:55] <mihir> nik90: sure would do that.
[19:55] <Wellark> DanChapman: hi!
[19:55] <Wellark> do you have time to have a quick chat about https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-network/+bug/1341548
[19:59] <DanChapman> Wellark, Hey :-) sure... fire away
[20:03] <Wellark> DanChapman: you said that dekko needs to know about "cheap vs. expensive" connections
[20:03] <Wellark> could you elaborate how that affects the business logic and user experience
[20:03]  * Wellark brb
[20:04] <davmor2> DanChapman: hey dude I'm back with you can I have that link again and I can try that out now I have some time
[20:04] <davmor2> DanChapman: nevermind I found it
[20:06] <ahayzen> balloons, i wonder why it doesn't work on my device? hmmm
[20:07] <Wellark> DanChapman: for example would dekko adapt it's network bandwith usage if it would know that it's functioning over a bandwith limited connection?
[20:07] <Wellark> I'm just wondering what is the set of characteristics we need
[20:08] <Wellark> actually we don't have a way to detect if mobile broadband has monetary costs or has volume limit at the moment
[20:08] <balloons> ahayzen, you could try using adt to run it
[20:09] <balloons> ahayzen, bzr branch lp:music-app
[20:09] <Wellark> DanChapman: so only thing we could do is to indicate that a mobile broadband connection is bandwith limited if it's using slower connection method than 4G
[20:09] <balloons> ahayzen, then adt-run music-app/ --click=com.ubuntu.music --- ssh -s adb
[20:09] <Wellark> DanChapman: would dekko then adapt to that?
[20:09] <ahayzen> balloons, will that work from a trusty desktop?
[20:09] <Wellark> or do you need additional information about the mobile broadband connection?
[20:10] <DanChapman> Wellark, sure... so dekko has a bandwidth saving mode, which is really lean on what it fetches from an imap server. So ideally it would be great to be able to detect this and switch to this mode on network characteristic changes.
[20:10] <Wellark> ok.
[20:10] <balloons> ahayzen, ohh, well indeed it will if you install http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/a/autopkgtest/autopkgtest_3.3.1_all.deb
[20:11] <balloons> it's not been backported yet
[20:11] <ahayzen> balloons, ah
[20:11] <Wellark> then we could have a switch in system-settings where users can force "full bandwith" on mobile broadband if < 4G is only thing available no no wifi is accessible
[20:11] <balloons> it however is standalone and works fine on trusty
[20:12] <Wellark> DanChapman: so, dekko would be satisfied if it gets the overall internet connectivity status with "offline", "connecting", and "online"
[20:12] <Wellark> and then a single characteristics indicating if the bandwith is limited
[20:13] <DanChapman> Wellark, yes exactly that would be perfect
[20:14] <Wellark> I will draft a dbus-api for that which can be properly confined
[20:15] <DanChapman> Wellark, that would be brilliant. Thanks for dealing with :-D
[20:17] <DanChapman> davmor2, excellent, fingers crossed it "should" hopefully work. Can't believe i've had no signal all day
[20:30] <balloons> ahayzen, any luck?
[20:31] <ahayzen> balloons, not yet haven't tried adt yet just double checking my normal setup because it *was* working
[20:31] <ahayzen> balloons, maybe i've installed something bad...
[20:31] <balloons> ahayzen, your toolkit is just likely out of date
[20:31] <balloons> phablet-click-test-setup should pull a new one and install it
[20:31] <ahayzen> balloons, i'll run that again
[20:33] <davmor2> DanChapman: here it seems to be crashing on account creation, I'm going to guess at it not having write permissions or something daft like that :(
[20:34] <davmor2> DanChapman: I'll try a fresh flash an install again but it might have to wait till tomorrow now unfortuantely :(
[20:39] <ahayzen> balloons, there is an error near the end? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7964337/
[20:39] <ahayzen> balloons, could that be my issue?
[20:40] <nik90> ahayzen: are you trying to run the music-app tests on the device?
[20:40] <ahayzen> nik90, yeah...but ^^ log is from running phablet-click-test-setup
[20:41] <nik90> ahayzen: can you confirm if you can run the music app on the device using qtcreator?
[20:41] <nik90> assuming this is your standard work flow as well
[20:41] <balloons> ahayzen, yep, it fails to push the toolkit
[20:41] <ahayzen> nik90, it runs fine just the ap toolkit is wrong
[20:41] <nik90> ahayzen: ah ok
[20:41] <ahayzen> balloons, so how do i fix it? just manually delete the old one or my ~/autopilot folder or something?
[20:42] <balloons> ahayzen, you can manually push the new ones over the top in ~/autopilot yes
[20:42] <balloons> put since you are on trusty, you'll need to download the tarball
[20:43] <balloons> http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/universe/u/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-autopilot_1.1.1179+14.10.20140804-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[20:43] <balloons> err.. lol
[20:43] <balloons> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/ubuntu-ui-toolkit_1.1.1179+14.10.20140804.orig.tar.gz
[20:44] <ahayzen> balloons, ok \o/
[20:51] <ahayzen> balloons, it is clicking things!
[20:56] <balloons> ahayzen, :-)
[21:12] <ahayzen> balloons, hmmm 1 failure for me
[21:31] <ahayzen> balloons, this is the failure i'm getting.. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7964684/
[21:32] <ahayzen> balloons, not quite sure what it is trying todo as there is only 1 delete icon visible at that point?!
[21:49] <balloons> ahayzen, yea weird.. I saw the same failure
[21:50] <ahayzen> balloons, magic! ... how was it passing in CI before then?
[21:50] <ahayzen> balloons, and this will probably be fixed when my listitem actions lands as that changes the way this works
[21:50] <balloons> right.. so I'm not too concerned as you have major changes landing
[21:56] <ahayzen> balloons, yeah i guess
[21:56] <balloons> let's land you mp :-0
[21:56] <ahayzen> balloons, i'll see if i can get my listitemactions take 2 branch passing myself :)
[21:56] <ahayzen> balloons, hah i've got a v2 branch in progress :P
[21:56] <balloons> ahayzen, I just want something stable enough to do the test revamp with you on
[21:57] <ahayzen> balloons, this v2 one will be... it uses the same ListItemWithActions as clock-app-reboot and address-book
[21:57] <ahayzen> balloons, the v1 was a custom implementation
[21:57] <ahayzen> balloons, think there are only a few UI tweaks left for it... then sort out the ap tests ..then  it is ready
[21:58] <balloons> branch?
[21:58] <balloons> fthe v2 i mean
[21:58] <ahayzen> balloons, once that is landed we can refactor autopilot :)
[21:58] <ahayzen> balloons, https://code.launchpad.net/~andrew-hayzen/music-app/listitem-actions-take-2/+merge/229536
[21:58] <ahayzen> balloons, the ap tests need sorting ;) i just copied and pasted from v1 lol
[21:59] <ahayzen> balloons, also i was wondering is autopilot able to send Uri-handler urls?
[22:03] <ahayzen> balloons, i'll attempt to clear up the AP tests now :)
[22:04] <ahayzen> balloons, think it is mainly just missing objectnames...
[22:05] <daker> mhall119: PM ?
[22:14] <ahayzen> balloons, hmmm don't think the logic i used before will work as i had some custom stuff i could use to make the ap tests easier...gonna have to think how to get this to work :/
[23:44] <balloons> ahayzen, yes we can fake uris
[23:44] <ahayzen> balloons, sweet :) i'll add it to the list of things to test :)
[23:46] <ahayzen> balloons, FYI my list of things and notes is here https://trello.com/c/2p7zUffL/278-music-refactor-ap-tests-to-use-python3-correct-objectname-test-var-names


[08:50] <kklimonda> is installing CentOS 7 on baremetal supported? If so, how can I debug error: file not found and alloc magic is broken when booting centos after installation. (it's UEFI boot)
[10:46] <kklimonda> hmm, not after I've reinstalled centos, maas is pushing grub config that references /efi/ubuntu/grubx64.efi which doesn't exist on centos
[14:56] <kristian__> Hey, does somebody use MAAS on OVH dedicated servers?
[16:37] <xygnal> roaksoax:  our strange problem resolved itself maybe an hour after I gave up.
[16:37] <xygnal> back on THursday
[16:37] <xygnal> I'll keep an eye on it
[16:38] <xygnal> I do have another question though.  Is there a way to blacklist a kernel module during commission?
[16:38] <xygnal> I have some older Cisco UCSC boxes that have this flexflash controller.  even though i have no cards in the controller, it still shows up as a tiny little device you cannot read or write from.
[16:38] <xygnal> MAAS doesnt like this and fails the commission
[16:57] <roaksoax> xygnal: you should be able to send a kernel parameter for the machine blacklisting the module
[16:59] <xygnal> roaksoax: where do I set that?using a tag?
[17:02] <roaksoax> xygnal: https://docs.ubuntu.com/maas/2.1/en/installconfig-nodes-kernel-boot-options
[17:02] <roaksoax> xygnal: or rather: https://docs.ubuntu.com/maas/2.2/en/nodes-kernel-options
[17:02] <roaksoax> same thing
[17:22] <xygnal> roaksoax: thanks I found that too.  It looks as if the device that it is actually finding is not the flexflash controller but a iSCSI device
[17:22] <xygnal> systemeeee
[17:22] <xygnal> oops
[17:28] <xygnal> roaksoax: sent you a paste
[17:28] <xygnal> no.no
[17:29] <xygnal> oops. damn this 3rd device in my KVM is throwing me off.
[19:55] <mup> Bug #1715230 opened: Partition and VG API endpoints diverge <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1715230>
[19:58] <mup> Bug #1715230 changed: Partition and VG API endpoints diverge <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1715230>
[20:04] <mup> Bug #1715230 opened: Partition and VG API endpoints diverge <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1715230>


 is there any alternative for trickled?
 #for bandwidth limit for apps command line interface https://ubuntuportal.com/2012/01/how-i-manage-bandwidth-using-trickle-on-ubuntu.html
 (Photo, 407x76) https://i.imgur.com/2mGpk4N.jpg
 anyone have this error
[04:59] <cdbcpu> Hi, I am new to Linux and am confused on installing Lubuntu via USB, the only option I have is for 'manual partitioning'
[05:00] <cdbcpu> I am afraid if I remove the windows partitions I will mess up the boot process
[05:00] <cdbcpu> however I would like to replace windows entirely with lubuntu
[05:08] <joey123> hello
[09:00] <TheRockPenguin> I have a problem with USB ports on my laptop. The laptop does not identify any USB storage devices though a USB mouse works without any issue.
[09:00] <TheRockPenguin> I have a Dell Inspiron 11 3520
[09:01] <TheRockPenguin> 4gb ram, 500gb HDD, i3
[09:03] <TheRockPenguin> The same USB storage devices work on my windows laptop and another Linux machine IBM Thinkpad with 1gb ram and 80gb HDD
[09:03] <TheRockPenguin> Do I need to reinstall lubuntu??
[09:04] <TheRockPenguin> I am using lubuntu 16.04.3 LTS
[09:04] <TheRockPenguin> This happened probably after dist upgrade from 16.02 LTS
[09:05] <TheRockPenguin> The logs do not show anything
[11:13] <The_LoudSpeaker> TheRockPenguin: 16.04.3 is a bt outdated.
[11:13] <The_LoudSpeaker> I suggest using 19.04
[11:13] <guiverc> TheRockPenguin, there was no 2016-February release of Lubuntu; and Lubuntu 16.04 is EOL (Ubuntu 16.04 with Unity has 5 years, flavors all have 3 years of support)
[11:14] <The_LoudSpeaker> guiverc: I think the user got it from .net website
[11:14] <The_LoudSpeaker> TheRockPenguin: where did you download the iso from?
[11:36] <TheRockPenguin> AFAIK it was the official website redirected from Ubuntu download website
[11:37] <TheRockPenguin> I will try latest version of lubuntu
[14:44] <suncokret_> hello, will Lubuntu back to LXDE in future? :)
[15:05] <kc2bez> suncokret_: No. LXDE development is nearly non-existent upstream. Some of the bugs are not even being addressed.
[15:11] <suncokret_> so we can use Lubuntu 18.04 in next years, and after that we can go to some distro with LXDE or to Xubuntum because XFCE is lighter than LXQt? :)
[15:16] <The_LoudSpeaker> OR you could shift to next version of lubuntu with LXQT. suncokret_
[15:17] <kc2bez> LXQt is still very light. I think the latest version is pretty much on par with XFCE. Especially if you disable some of the autostart things like qlipper.
[15:21] <The_LoudSpeaker> but xfce uses gtk apps and that is not at all light when compared to qt5 apps which lxqt uses.
[15:21] <suncokret_> then i plan to use Lubuntu 18.04 in future... i still  use Lubuntu 14.04 on this computer and it work great
[15:22] <The_LoudSpeaker> 18.04 also uses lxde. plus it's not supported now.
[15:23] <The_LoudSpeaker> 19.04 should be your choice.
[15:23] <The_LoudSpeaker> what are the specs of your system btw?
[15:23] <suncokret_> 18.04 is LTS and have support till 2021
[15:24] <The_LoudSpeaker> oops! 18.04 IS supported. will be unsupported soon
[15:24] <suncokret_> 18.04 will have longer support than 19.04 :)
[15:25] <The_LoudSpeaker> 19.04 is LXQT
[15:25] <suncokret_> i don't like LXQt, i want LXDE :)
[15:25] <The_LoudSpeaker> sooner or later you will have to leave lxde. so.. ;)
[15:27] <The_LoudSpeaker> also you get new features and various improvements if you don't stick to LTS branches.
[15:27] <The_LoudSpeaker> but it's totally upto you. your choice.
[15:28] <suncokret_> if i use 14.04 today, then i can use 18.04 in next five years, i don't need support :)
[15:28] <The_LoudSpeaker> hahahahaha
[15:28] <suncokret_> even 14.04 have all what i need
[15:28] <The_LoudSpeaker> ggwp!
[15:30] <suncokret_> The_LoudSpeaker, and you use 19.04?
[15:30] <The_LoudSpeaker> 19.10
[15:30] <The_LoudSpeaker> yet to release.
[15:30] <The_LoudSpeaker> beta coming out tomorrow
[15:34] <suncokret_> it is not important to me to have every new version, it is important to have stable OS which have all what i need :)
[15:35] <The_LoudSpeaker> each one to it's own. :)
[15:35] <TheRockPenguin> I agree. I am looking for a stable OS for my daily use
[15:35] <suncokret_> i planed to install 16.04, but 14.04 works great so i dint change it, now i hope i will install 18.04 :)
[15:36] <suncokret_> i am lazy to install new version, i hope i will install 18.04 this days
[15:37] <suncokret_> and if i install 18.04 i will also keep saved images from 14.04, it is really great
[15:38] <The_LoudSpeaker> I do have a stable system also which i gets updated every 6 months for new release. LTS versions are veerrryyyy stable but don't have nice improvements. updating every 6 months is not a very big deal for me so.
[15:39] <The_LoudSpeaker> TheRockPenguin: nonLTS versions are also pretty stable only you can use them if you like.
[15:40] <The_LoudSpeaker> ^ insert a full stop after "only"
[15:46] <suncokret_> when i install 18.04, i will keep norton ghost images of installed and configured Lubuntu 14.04, until i see that 1804 works great as 14.04 :)
[15:50] <suncokret_> TheRockPenguin, and which version of Lubuntu you use?
[15:55] <TheRockPenguin> Lubuntu 16.04 LTS
[15:56] <TheRockPenguin> It is EOL. So looking for alternative.
[15:57] <TheRockPenguin> I have a Dell Inspiron 11 3520 laptop. i3, 4gb ram, 500gb HDD, 2 USB 2.0 ports, 1 USB 3.0 port
[16:02] <suncokret_> i go now, thank you for info's, advices and kind chat, have nice day :)
[17:32] <The_LoudSpeaker> TheRockPenguin: you can try 19.04
[17:33] <The_LoudSpeaker> or 18.04 if you are okay with a bit outdated but more stable system
[17:33] <The_LoudSpeaker> edit: wait for a few days, try 19.10
[19:02] <TheRockPenguin> Correction: lubuntu 18.04.3 LTS