[06:45] <dholbach> good morning
[06:46] <geser> good morning
[06:47] <dholbach> hi geser
[08:56] <Rhonda> cjwatson_, is https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=19679 proper?  I seem to recall that last time it was put into some "internal" canonical RT I don't have access to?
[09:13] <cjwatson_> Laney: local modification - just to point to the local mirror
[09:13] <Laney> ah
[09:16] <cjwatson> Rhonda: not a sysadmin, I don't know how their priorities work :)
[09:16] <cjwatson> Rhonda: prod on #canonical-sysadmin?  should be easy
[09:16] <cjwatson> we reclaimed sulfur since it's a fast powerpc box and we needed another buildd
[09:16] <cjwatson> well, fast-ish
[09:23] <Rhonda> cjwatson: Alright, will try there.  I just seem to remember that last time you forwarded it to some internal RT. :)
[09:25] <Rhonda> Hmm, would mails to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>go to rt.ubuntu.com or to the internal RT?
[09:28] <cjwatson> Rhonda: rt.ubuntu.com
[09:45] <vibhav> what does rt stand for?
[09:54] <vibhav> can anybodt have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/accountsservice/+bug/873784
[09:59] <geser> vibhav: RT = request tracker
[10:02] <Rhonda> vibhav: Request Tracker
[10:02] <Rhonda> duh, late :)
[13:58] <dholbach> Ubuntu Development session (at Ubuntu Open Week) starting in 2 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom
[14:29]  * dupondje is teaching xaralx a lesson :)
[14:30] <tumbleweed> :P
[14:31] <dupondje> only sad a test build take +15mins :§(
[14:32] <dupondje> is there a way to make pbuilder-dist use multiple cores ? :)
[14:34] <tumbleweed> export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=parallel=8 in .pbuilderrc
[14:34] <tumbleweed> or whatever value is appropriate
[14:34] <dupondje> sweet :)
[14:35] <tumbleweed> of course, the package needs to use dh --parallel or equivalent
[14:45] <dupondje> still using 1 core for xaralx
[14:45] <dupondje> thats sad on a quad core :)
[14:53] <gau1991> Hello .........
[14:53] <gau1991> i am new to Ubuntu to development
[14:54] <gau1991> is there any we to get inside development?
[14:56] <arand_> !development
[14:58] <arand_> Hmm, whatever happened to papercuts by the way, is that still going or not?
[14:58] <tumbleweed> I assume so
[14:59] <arand_> I guess it isn't new and shiny anymore :)
[15:02] <dupondje> dpkg-deb: building package `xaralx' in `../xaralx_0.7r1785-5ubuntu1_amd64.deb'.
[15:02] <dupondje> oh oooh!
[15:04] <dupondje> +#define JPEG_LIB_VERSION        80
[15:04] <dupondje> but thats quite dirty ofc
[16:01] <dupondje> tumbleweed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xaralx/+bug/992941
[16:01] <dupondje> enjyo
[16:03] <eagles0513875> hi guys :)
[16:04] <dholbach> hi eagles0513875, bobweaver, Resistance
[16:04] <bobweaver> Hello
[16:04] <Resistance> dholbach, i'm always here :P
[16:04] <dholbach> you had some more questions? please ask
[16:05] <Resistance> my questions are tucked away on some obscure logfile on another machine, hence my saying i'll poke you and the MOTUs later :p
[16:05] <bobweaver> I found error because I am on 12.10
[16:05] <bobweaver> it would not build in pbuilder
[16:05] <Resistance> bobweaver, godforbid you said 12.10
[16:05] <dholbach> Resistance, ok :)
[16:05] <dholbach> bobweaver, can you put up the build log snippet on paste.ubuntu.com maybe?
[16:05] <bobweaver> sure
[16:05] <eagles0513875> dholbach: just to understand i need to be on 12.10 to do packaging correct?
[16:06] <Resistance> eagles0513875, nope
[16:06] <Resistance> eagles0513875, i could tell you that, i'm on Natty and I build things for Precise
[16:06]  * Resistance keeps tarballs and VMs for Oneiric and Precise around for that reason
[16:06] <dholbach> it helps if you run the development release in "some way"
[16:06] <Resistance> no argument there :)
[16:06] <dholbach> be it a chroot, virtual machine, separate partition or some other way
[16:06] <eagles0513875> Resistance: your a freak of nature to not run the dev release :P
[16:07] <dholbach> it's important you are able to test what you build
[16:07] <Resistance> also no argument there :)
[16:07] <Resistance> especially when you're a backporter, you need to be able to test the backports :)
[16:07] <Resistance> anyways, i'll be quiet
[16:07] <Resistance> :)
[16:10] <bobweaver> Ok there was two error which I will post on was that it could not find the source package because I had run the command to change the debian/control 3 times so it was name different and also because it I was using 12.10 and not 12.04 :) thanks so much  http://paste.ubuntu.com/964956/
[16:10] <bobweaver> s|on|one
[16:11] <bobweaver> dholbach,  if you or others make video tutorial of how to package a updated one I will make video of me shaving my head
[16:12] <dholbach> bobweaver, it will take a few weeks until I get the time, but: challenge accepted :)
[16:12] <bobweaver>  \o/
[16:13] <bobweaver> I will get the buzz clippers ready (by the way I have hair )
[16:14] <gau1991> hello dholbach, after running pbuilder-dist precise build xicc_0.2-3ubuntu1.dsc, where i can find a updated package??? in my current directory there not a single deb of xicc...
[16:14] <dholbach> gau1991, ~/pbuilder/<release>_result/
[16:15] <gau1991> i got.... Thanks dholbach.... :)
[16:18] <bobweaver> I can not believe how much more simple that was then using dh_make and fakeroot and dpkg-buildpackage and all that jazz
[17:17] <eagles0513875> dholbach: ping i have a question when you get a chance
[17:17] <dholbach> eagles0513875, you can just ask your question in here - I'm in a meeting right now
[17:17] <dholbach> just ask and either I or somebody else will find the time to reply :)
[17:18] <eagles0513875> dholbach: what kind of hardware would one need to package and test on in regards to ubuntu phone?
[17:19] <dholbach> eagles0513875, I don't know of any Ubuntu phone
[17:20] <dholbach> if you mean Ubuntu on Android, then I don't know either I'm afraid - I still have a very old mobile phone
[17:20] <eagles0513875> dholbach: there is a phone version that canonical is working on i read they are wanting to release with the 14.04 LTS
[17:20] <eagles0513875> dholbach:  this is what im talkin bout http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/242853/canonical_to_expand_ubuntu_for_smartphones_tablets.html
[17:20] <dholbach> sorry, I don't know
[17:21] <dholbach> don't they have any specifics in one of those articles?
[17:21] <eagles0513875> sadly not
[17:21] <eagles0513875> im thinking of getting an arm based developers board from linaro to help out with development in that arena
[17:36] <tumbleweed> dupondje: \o/
[17:46] <eagles0513875> hey tumbleweed :D
[17:46] <dupondje> can
[17:52] <eagles0513875> hey dholbach question for you what happens if you have unpackaged source code how does one go about getting it packaged?
[17:53] <Resistance> you have to build the package around it or find someone to do that
[17:53] <Resistance> eagles0513875, you also need to make sure the licensing is compatible
[17:53] <eagles0513875> Resistance: ok
[17:53] <Resistance> there are instances where a license on a product is incompatible with Debian licensing policies for packages
[17:53] <dholbach> eagles0513875, just ask here in the channel - no need to ping me - somebody else might pick up the question as well :)
[17:53] <Resistance> including non-MOTUs ;)
[17:53] <dholbach> http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/ should have an article about it
[17:53] <eagles0513875> ok :)
[17:53] <dholbach> I'm still in a meeting and need to run in a bit
[17:54] <eagles0513875> ahh ok my bad :(
[17:54] <dholbach> no no worries
[17:54] <eagles0513875> ill harass Resistance he enjoys that
[17:54] <Resistance> you better not
[17:54] <eagles0513875> Resistance: dont i already do that in trekweb :p
[18:07] <dupondje> tumbleweed: you upload ?
[18:30] <bobweaver> If I run debconf in preinst to gather info can the info that is gathered also be using in postinst ?
[18:31] <bobweaver> like can I call in my postinst script
[18:44] <tumbleweed> dupondje: I will later. Not at home rgiht now
[18:47] <jtaylor> what happened to validate-desktop-file?
[18:49] <jtaylor> ah it was desktop-file-validate
[19:05] <soaringsky> does the myapp.developer.ubuntu.com process get a package into universe or extras?
[19:21] <tumbleweed> dupondje: as it's effectively a sync + patch, I'd drop all the old ubuntu-specific changelog bits
[19:21] <tumbleweed> dupondje: do we know why we are having to define JPEG_LIB_VERSION?
[19:22] <eagles0513875> hey guys i was just thinking is it possible to do nightly builds for libreoffice that can be put in a ppa for those that want the latest and greatest versions of  Libreoffice from the master branch or something of that sort to help with testing?
[19:22] <tumbleweed> eagles0513875: talk to sweetshark
[19:23] <eagles0513875> tumbleweed: hehe ya i know him well so to speak but what would i need to do to get something like that going for 12.04 users as well as next release developers etc that way we can offer the latest version for 12.10
[19:25] <eagles0513875> would he be the ideal person to speak too?
[19:25] <tumbleweed> well, he maintains the package
[19:25] <tumbleweed> backporting it isn't going to be particularly fun, but he should be able to help you
[19:26] <eagles0513875> tumbleweed: maybe not so much backporting except building and putting in a ppa for users to use
[19:26] <tumbleweed> it's the same thnig
[19:28] <eagles0513875> tumbleweed: who would i need to talk to in regards to the ubuntu smartphone version as I am interested in helping with that but i probably dont have the right hardware for it though
[19:29] <eagles0513875> to test and develop that is
[19:29] <tumbleweed> eagles0513875: I have no idea what hardware people are using for it
[19:29] <ScottK> Is there an #ubuntu-phone channel?
[19:29] <tumbleweed> one assumes so
[19:29]  * ScottK has a vague recollection of one being mentioned.
[19:30] <eagles0513875> thanks ScottK :)
[19:33] <bobweaver> hello there I am running into the error that I do not have permission to write to etc in my make file. which is here http://paste.ubuntu.com/965352/   the command that I am running to build package is      fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -F   maybe the Makefile is under the wrong Dir right now it is under /debian
[19:34] <ScottK> Or mayber you're writing to an absolute path and not a relative one.
[19:36] <bobweaver> I am not sure I understand what you mean by "absolute" & "relative" could you explain a little more thanks for helping :)
[19:38] <bobweaver> are you saying that I need to modify the Makefile ? or are you talking about the dir that the Makefile is under ?
[19:40] <ScottK> It's the difference between /etc and etc.
[19:40] <ScottK> You may need to modify the Makefile, I didn't look.
[19:40] <ScottK> The symptom you are describing is often associated with using absolute paths in the build when you want relative paths.
[19:44] <bobweaver> Where should Makefile be placed ? or best place to place it after running dh_make -e <email> -c <copyleft> -f foo.tar.gz  ? should it stay under the upsource dir or go under /foo-10-foo/debian/    the reason I ask is after I run dh_make It says something about that But I do not understand what it is
[19:48] <bobweaver> this is what I am talking about |:|   Please edit the files in the debian/ subdirectory now. You should also check that the foo Makefiles install into $DESTDIR and not in / .
[19:48] <bobweaver> what does that mean ?
[19:51] <bobweaver> the Makefile part ^^ I know why it wants me too edit the /debian but I have no clue what it is talking about with the Makefile
[19:59] <dupondje> tumbleweed: we should include the libjpeg headers, but those have conflicting types with the xaralx code ...
[19:59] <dupondje> really? xaralx is crappy old
[19:59] <dupondje> anyway, the JPEG_LIB_VERSION is a 'workaround' :)
[20:23] <tumbleweed> dupondje: I can live with that, but I prefer a changelog entry that makes that clearer :)
[21:03] <dupondje> hmz :) tumbleweed you fix the changelog, or I upload new debdiff ?
[21:03]  * tumbleweed doesn't mind too much
[21:03] <tumbleweed> just sitting down to do it now
[21:04] <dupondje> I cant upload anyway *sadface* :)
[21:05] <micahg> dupondje: I'm sure you'll get there eventually
[21:06] <tumbleweed> yikes 143 uploads https://launchpad.net/~dupondje/+related-software
[21:06] <tumbleweed> dupondje: when are you applying for MOTU?
[21:07]  * dupondje hates writing texts :P
[21:09] <jtaylor> hehe that stopped me from applying for a quite a while :)
[21:09]  * jtaylor dreads doing it again for DD :/
[21:10]  * ajmitch applied when it was much less formal :)
[21:10] <dupondje> jtaylor: they should have templates ^^
[21:10] <dupondje> <insert name here>
[21:10] <dupondje> :)
[21:10] <jtaylor> I liked the DM application, just copy paste a small line of text and insert maintained pacakges :)
[21:10] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: DD doesn't require a public grilling on IRC :)
[21:11] <tumbleweed> and you only need to persuade one person to advocate you
[21:11] <tumbleweed> (did I just advertise Debian as being easier to get upload rights for than MOTU?)
[21:12] <micahg> yes :)
[21:12]  * micahg really should go for DD at some point
[21:12] <tumbleweed> jtaylor: (and you know you have a standing offer for advocation from me)
[21:13] <ajmitch> micahg: you should
[21:13] <jtaylor> I know thanks, my biggest obstacle is more my lazyness
[21:14] <Laney> you get to read licenses
[21:14] <Laney> and fix bugs
[21:14] <Laney> and write shell scripts!
[21:14] <tumbleweed> and recite policy
[21:15] <broder> "Debian as being easier to get upload rights for than MOTU"> I am so skeptical
[21:15] <Laney> nah, but DM is easier than PPU
[21:15] <Laney> and then much easier to extend
[21:15] <tumbleweed> broder: the advocation bar is quite high
[21:16] <tumbleweed> but once you're in the system, you won't be rejected
[21:16] <tumbleweed> (well, unlikely)
[21:16] <Laney> your progress might be somewhat slow
[21:16] <Laney> :P
[21:16]  * tumbleweed stalled an applicant I was AMing until he sorted his RC bugs out
[21:19]  * dupondje wanted to upload a new package to his ppa, but doesn't like the 18h delay on the builders :'(
[21:20] <jtaylor> mine build in one hour
[21:20] <tumbleweed> https://launchpad.net/builders <- 12hrs for amd64
[21:20] <jtaylor> though I was bad, uploaded a rebuild where a copy would have sufficed because I want to track how many oneiric user sI have :/
[21:21]  * tumbleweed has never played with PPA usage stats. Have you written a nice script to produce pretty graphs yet?
[21:21] <dupondje> was bit more some minutes ago
[21:21] <EvilResistance> can anyone help me debug this?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/965593/  Been at this for about two weeks and still cant figure out the cause of the break
[21:21] <EvilResistance> (might be so obvious i'm missing it)
[21:22] <jtaylor> tumbleweed: slow but works ok http://paste.ubuntu.com/965601/
[21:23] <tumbleweed> eagles0513875: do you have universe enabled?
[21:23] <tumbleweed> err EvilResistance
[21:23] <EvilResistance> tumbleweed:  might not in that chroot
[21:23] <EvilResistance> should i go an enable it within the chroot?
[21:23] <tumbleweed> yes
[21:28]  * EvilResistance knew it was something obvious
[21:30] <tumbleweed> yikes, my netatalk package has had 1698 downloads. No wonder people e-mail be about it
[21:30] <tumbleweed> I think I just uploaded it for someone to test, when picking at a lp bug
[21:30] <dupondje> heh :)
[21:30] <jtaylor> ^^
[21:30] <EvilResistance> do backports (when uploaded to [release]-backports) build with universe enabled?
[21:31] <tumbleweed> EvilResistance: same as non-backports
[21:31] <tumbleweed> universe packages build with univers, main packages build without it
[21:32] <Laney> tumbleweed: EvilResistance: Nope, backports has all components
[21:33] <Laney> primarily to cope with packages changing component across releases
[21:33] <EvilResistance> Laney:  is that bug that prevents backports from build-depending on other backports fixed yet?
[21:33] <Laney> no
[21:34] <EvilResistance> thought not, since i havent seen any updates on it (and I'm subscribed to it)
[21:34] <tumbleweed> Laney: oh
[21:34] <Laney> I did double check the code to be sure :P
[21:34] <Laney>     if pocket == PackagePublishingPocket.BACKPORTS:
[21:34] <Laney>         return component_dependencies['multiverse']
[23:21] <broder> tumbleweed: has there been any organization done for a keysigning party?
[23:21] <broder> (or Laney? i forget who claimed responsibility for this last fall)
[23:21] <tumbleweed> broder: I was actually thinking about that last night, but it's probably already too late
[23:21] <tumbleweed> (too late to do organisation-before-we-leave-ohme
[23:22] <broder> hmm...how much would you really need to do in advance?
[23:22] <SpamapS> time and a place is all you really need
[23:22] <ajmitch> depends on how formal you want to be
[23:23] <tumbleweed> SpamapS: they tend to be crazily disorganised, though
[23:23] <SpamapS> though the longer you have a single organizer who can print out the sheets .. the more keys will be sent.
[23:23] <ajmitch> it can be easier if everyone sends in their keys beforehand
[23:23] <tumbleweed> two UDSs ago, there were two versions of the sheets
[23:23] <tumbleweed> oh, and last UDS too
[23:23]  * ajmitch should probably replace his key soon
[23:23] <SpamapS> The one at UDS-P went well, once the initial "oops!" of printing the wrong things on the page was fixed.
[23:23] <ajmitch> UDS might be a good chance to do it
[23:23] <SpamapS> I need to get a 4K key setup
[23:24] <SpamapS> though IMO if I sign the new key with the old key, it should be enough for people to sign my new one. :-P
[23:24] <stgraber> ajmitch: yeah, I moved to a 4K key 3 UDSes ago, a day before the key signing :)
[23:25] <stgraber> SpamapS: some people do, but I had almost half of the people who signed my old key refuse to sign the new one until I see them in person again :)
[23:25] <broder> i've never been able to decide how i feel about that
[23:25] <SpamapS> stgraber: thats just because you're so much fun to hang out with
[23:26] <SpamapS> IMO it should be sufficient to have a signed message from the person whose key you signed, and the signature on the acutal key. It should also be time-sensitive. I'm not going to sign it 2 years after the message was signed and sent.
[23:26] <tumbleweed> going from http://bad.debian.net/list/2012-April/003491.html someone thinks our keysigning is already scheduled
[23:26] <SpamapS> But if I verified their identity once, whats the point of doing the verification again? :-P
[23:27] <broder> SpamapS: i'm not interested in verifying your identity. i'm interested in verifying in a cryptographically trustworthy way that you actually sent the message
[23:27] <broder> (and that your key wasn't compromised by someone who then signed the message)
[23:27] <tumbleweed> also, everyone has their own keysigning policies
[23:27] <SpamapS> broder: which you'd do..since I sent it w/ the key you signed. :)
[23:28] <SpamapS> well if you don't trust my key anymore.. why did you sign it!? ;)
[23:28] <SpamapS> tumbleweed: true enough. I'm not sure that actually helps the web of trust though.
[23:28] <broder> tumbleweed: anyway, based on past experience, there will be a keysigning party. i think it would be awesome if one of us could claim responsibility for it so we can be sure it will be run cluefully and in a way that lets everyone make their respective team dinners afterwards in a timely manner
[23:29] <broder> since that's been a traditional failure of the uds keysigning party
[23:29] <tumbleweed> broder: :)
[23:29] <sbeattie> SpamapS: FYI, if you convert to a 4k key, here's the notes the security team took while doing it for our own keys: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GPGMigration
[23:29] <SpamapS> sbeattie: thank you!
[23:30] <SpamapS> As part of getting my DD status they asked me to promise to move to a 4K key
[23:30]  * ajmitch needs to get a transnational republic ID for a keysigning :)
[23:30] <tumbleweed> I seem to recall there once being a big stink because someone took a fake ID to a debian keysigning
[23:30] <ajmitch> tumbleweed: yep, it was that one
[23:31] <ajmitch> http://madduck.net/blog/2006.05.24:tr-id-at-keysigning/
[23:31] <SpamapS> tumbleweed: just to test people?
[23:31] <ajmitch> pretty much
[23:31] <ajmitch> hopefully my NZ passport looks official enough
[23:33] <broder> SpamapS: I'd also want to verify the new key in person because I basically don't use the web of trust - I have a one-hop path to everybody I want a cryptographically trustworthy path to
[23:33] <broder> And trusting your old key to verify the new key breaks that assumption for me
[23:33] <tumbleweed> well, should we go for 6 PM on wednesday as the locals are expecting?
[23:34] <broder> isn't it traditionally on thursday?
[23:34]  * broder is a local not expecting anything
[23:34] <tumbleweed> I was pointing at http://bad.debian.net/list/2012-April/003491.html (which turned up on a secret list far away)
[23:35] <broder> i'm not opposed. might be less hectic if there's less stuff happening in the evening currently
[23:35] <tumbleweed> going from the coordination around release-team dinner, dinners are all over the place
[23:36] <broder> uds is short. there's probably no way to win here
[23:36] <ajmitch> trying to schedule anything that doesnt' conflict is a bit of a hassle with this many people
[23:37] <tumbleweed> http://uds.ubuntu.com/event/ looks liek every evening has events
[23:38] <broder> if all the events are at 7, we can just have the keysigning party at 6! we'll *totally* all be done in time
[23:38] <broder> :)
[23:38] <ajmitch> of course you will
[23:40] <tumbleweed> we don't all have to sign everyone's key
[23:55] <stgraber> broder: considering 80% of the attendees are the "usual" ones, I'm starting to wonder if it wouldn't be faster to just do it the old way (everyone distributing pieces of paper) at the meet&greet
[23:55] <broder> stgraber: interesting. although i feel like i always find that one of the "usual suspects" is someone i haven't actually exchanged signatures with
[23:56] <ajmitch> I'll have to generate a new key & print out fingerprints before I go then
[23:56] <broder> basically because i don't actually know who has signed my key :)
[23:56] <tumbleweed> I cross people off the list before the signing if we've cross-signed
[23:56] <tumbleweed> but I usually miss a few
[23:56] <stgraber> broder: I usually look at <current version>-changes for anyone who uploaded quite a lot of packages without enigmail showing me that I have signed their key already
[23:56] <tumbleweed> (and don't necessarily remember
[23:57] <broder> heh
[23:57] <ajmitch> my key probably won't be signed by most of you
[23:57] <ajmitch> you'll trust that I am who I say I am, right? :)


[00:51] <amichair> JontheEchidna: ping
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> amichair: pong
[00:52] <amichair> JontheEchidna: regarding the ping test, what is the desired presentation? other than the progress bar, there's the text on top - what sould it show?
[00:53] <JontheEchidna> the "find best server" thing?
[00:56] <amichair> JontheEchidna: yep
[00:56] <amichair> JontheEchidna: got it working, but with all the messed up commented code, I'm not sure what was intended to be displayed
[00:56] <JontheEchidna> I've actually never seen that work. Ideally it should show the text, progress bar and at the end automagically select the best server without crashing and/or spewing tons of nonsense out to konsole
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> perhaps the name of the server it is trying?
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> dunno really
[00:57] <amichair> does it work in gtk?
[00:58] <JontheEchidna> probably. I doubt they'd let something like that slip through
[00:59] <amichair> I wish we could say the same about kubuntu :(
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> yeah :(
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> hopefully we can change that
[01:01] <amichair> ok, I'll try to see what they do and copy that
[01:02] <amichair> JontheEchidna: but at least we've got progress :-)
[01:02] <amichair> amichair: (pun intended)
[01:02] <JontheEchidna> lol
[07:23] <jussi01> hrm, lovely, a not very verbose error from apt..
[07:23] <jussi01> Registering documents with scrollkeeper...
[07:23] <jussi01> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:23] <jussi01>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libqt4-opengl-dev_4%3a4.6.0~beta1-1ubuntu1~ppa1_i386.deb
[07:23] <jussi01> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[07:24] <Tm_T> that's error from dpkg, try using it directly with some additional debug option
[07:27] <jussi01> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of libqt4-opengl-dev:
[07:27] <jussi01>  libqt4-opengl-dev depends on libqt4-opengl (= 4:4.6.0~beta1-1ubuntu1~ppa1); however:
[07:27] <jussi01>   Package libqt4-opengl is not configured yet.
[07:27] <jussi01>  libqt4-opengl-dev depends on libqt4-dev (= 4:4.6.0~beta1-1ubuntu1~ppa1); however:
[07:27] <jussi01>   Package libqt4-dev is not configured yet.
[07:27] <jussi01> curious.
[07:28] <jussi01> simple apt-get install -f fixed it, but still, that shoudlnt happen.
[08:02] <jussi01> hrm, jockey-kde not working on this machine.. :/
[08:03] <jussi01> loads, finds the driver, but no istall when button clicked. (yes, package cache is up to date)
[08:04] <jussi01> jockey-gtk works fine though.
[08:58]  * jussi01 sighs at: http://imagebin.ca/view/EayMIDu.html
[08:58] <jussi01> there should be something telling the user what to install there.
[08:58] <jussi01> that message is mostly useless.
[09:11] <apachelogger> nhandler: kubuntu-members owns the branch, so it doesnt make much difference, does it :P
[09:15] <Quintasan> hiho
[09:39] <Tm_T> brrrh, sillyness: http://sandrotosi.blogspot.com/2009/11/things-that-make-me-angry.html
[09:45] <Quintasan> oh well, I guess everyone needs to troll once in a while
[09:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's up with docs path?
[09:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: somewhere within pkg-kde-tools there seems to be a function that tries to manually do something to the docs
[09:53] <apachelogger> just grep for kde4/HTML
[09:53] <apachelogger> that needs to be changed to kde/HTML
[09:54]  * apachelogger compiles go and is quite frightened by the length of today's todo :|
[09:57] <Riddell> "The membership of usr (usrlp) in the Kubuntu Bugs (kubuntu-bugs) team has expired." oh thank goodness
[10:26] <Nightrose> \o/
[10:29] <Tm_T> usr?
[10:40] <apachelogger> kate needs syntax highlight for go
[10:40] <apachelogger> and I should buy something to eat
[10:41] <Tm_T> apachelogger: I recommend some apples
[10:43] <jussi01> apachelogger: applestrudel :D
[10:48] <Tm_T> we have ~20 cm snow here atleast, finally
[10:50]  * apachelogger just told his flatmate to run killall -9 java
[10:50] <apachelogger> apparently his netbook works way better now
[10:50] <apachelogger> muhahaha :D
[10:50]  * apachelogger creates syntaxhighlight0r for go
[10:53] <Riddell> hmm, someone not happy with our kdevelop beta on planet
[10:53] <Tm_T> noticed
[10:58] <Riddell> Lex79_: do you remember why we did that?
[12:52] <Riddell> the joysd of personalised spam"DownloadRoute.com  Hello!   We would like to inform you that your program kubuntu 9.10 has successfully passed antivirus and antispyware tests and were so impressed that we decided to give you our 100% CLEAN award! We use for scanning now four of the best antivirus engines available on the   market."
[12:53] <amichair> yay! we passed! lol
[12:54] <freeflying> Riddell: so funny
[12:56] <tsimpson> it's be funnier if it didn't pass ;)
[13:04] <Tm_T> tsimpson: no, that would mean that I got caught then
[13:05] <Tm_T> err, I mean, ummm
[13:05]  * Tm_T hides
[13:05] <tsimpson> heh
[14:08] <amichair> what's the changelog syntax for 2 bug links on the same line?
[14:09] <amichair> is it (LP: #1) (LP: #2) or (LP: #1,#2) or similar?
[14:14] <JontheEchidna> amichair: both of those would work. I use the latter since it takes up less space
[14:14] <amichair> JontheEchidna: thanks. I opted for marking the bugs duplicate, but good to know anyway :-)
[14:15] <amichair> JontheEchidna: finished the find mirrors bug, everything works (also cancel) and looking better :-)
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> cool
[14:18] <amichair> JontheEchidna: someone tried to brute-force proper multithreading there :-/
[14:26] <amichair> JontheEchidna: anything else interesting to look at?
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> for software-properties? You've just about taken care of all the known issues there
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> jockey, the restricted drivers installer, could use some love: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey?field.searchtext=jockey-kde
[14:28] <amichair> JontheEchidna: so, did I pass the audition?
[14:33] <Riddell> amichair: dood, you rock!
[14:35] <amichair> Riddell: thanks! so little positive feedback around here... only JontheEchidna around here... oh and also apachelogger once gave me a cookie :-P
[14:36] <Riddell> amichair: sorry, I just havn't been able to look at your changes yet, but from what you've been saying fixing old bugs is great stuff
[14:39] <amichair> Riddell: well, u can't ship an LTS that crashes on users, can u? :-)
[14:39] <Riddell> ScottK: you're doing a plenary on kubuntu netbook?
[14:43]  * Nightrose hands a few more cookies to amichair for good meassure
[14:48] <yuriy> oh, i just realized what apaku was complaining about -- kdevelop3 is not in Karmic at all
[14:49] <Riddell> yuriy: yeah, and I don't remember why we did that, maybe we expected the final thing to be out in time
[14:50] <yuriy> or maybe because kdevelop3 is fairly broken without all the kde3 stuff
[14:52]  * amichair does that Indian thankyou hand gesture thing to Nightrose
[14:52] <Nightrose> ;-)
[14:54] <Riddell> yuriy: yeah maybe
[14:54] <Riddell> amichair: what's that gesture?
[14:59] <amichair> Riddell: http://www.gilesorr.com/nucleusblog/media/1/20051020-RonaldMcDonaldThai.jpg
[15:03] <amichair> JontheEchidna: I'm hopping aournd between links there, but can find the jockey-kde branch... where is it?
[15:03] <amichair> JontheEchidna: can't, that is
[15:06] <amichair> Riddell: it's actually called the namaste gesture, but is used both in greeting ('namaste!') and thankyous
[15:07] <Riddell> wow that clown is scary
[15:07] <markey> heh
[15:07] <markey> funny how Riddell's blog contrasts with this one: "I think I’m tired of Desktop Linux"
[15:08] <amichair> yep, sure is
[15:08] <markey> was it conincidence? :)
[15:08] <markey> coincidence even
[15:08] <Riddell> markey: there was a feeling that planet was a bit too negative today so I moved forward a positive blog I had been planning
[15:09] <markey> Riddell: I think you did that well
[15:09] <markey> more power to you
[15:09]  * amichair is sorry to say he almost thought the same thing today... and misses the better desktop responsiveness on his old P4 with winxp...
[15:09] <markey> that vanrin guy is not exactly giving kde much
[15:10] <markey> I wonder what he does at all
[15:10] <markey> besides ranting
[15:10] <amichair> links?
[15:10] <markey> http://movingparts.net/2009/11/10/i-think-im-tired-of-desktop-linux/
[15:10] <markey> beware, it's messy
[15:10] <markey> the guy can't write
[15:12] <JontheEchidna> he's the kpilot guy
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> amichair: https://edge.launchpad.net/jockey/trunk
[15:16] <Mamarok> Riddell: something's borked with KDM: if you log out of KDE, X crashes and you end up with the KDM loging screen with keyboard and mouse unresponsive
[15:16] <Mamarok> also, markey just had a hal crash, which I had the other day
[15:16] <Mamarok> not graphic card specific, he has Nvidia, I have ATI
[15:18] <amichair> JontheEchidna: bzr: ERROR: exceptions.KeyError: 'Bazaar repository format 2a (needs bzr 1.16 or later)\n'
[15:18] <Mamarok> known bug? It's either KDM or X, but a serious regression
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> amichair: O.o
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> !info bzr jaunty
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> ah, that'd do it
[15:19] <markey> holy shit
[15:20] <markey> that was nasty
[15:20] <markey> my whole system crashed
[15:20] <markey> something is fishy with the KDE 4.3.3 packages
[15:20] <markey> couldn't access any devices any more, then logged out, then keyboard and mouse froze
[15:23] <amichair> JontheEchidna: :-/
[15:28] <amichair> JontheEchidna: maybe it's time to take the plunge and upgrade... ?
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> maybe :)
[15:30] <amichair> now that I have an auto-selected best mirror, it should be a snap :-)
[15:32] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[15:32] <amichair> coming soon to repositories near you!
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: we upgraded to kdevelop4 because kdevelop3 was broken to the point where all libtool projects failed to build. (Plus the general lack of kde3 kio slaves, etc)
[16:08] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yeah that rings a bell
[16:08] <Riddell> maybe we should remove the beta from karmic though and just have more up to date versions in the appropriate kubuntu-ppa
[16:16] <Riddell> Mamarok: X crash on logout was a problem with intel but we fixed before release, hal crash I havn't heard about
[16:16] <Riddell> Mamarok: best advise for that sort is to turn on apport, see if you can recreate and report it with apport
[16:28]  * txwikinger thinks the updating system we use is too inflexible
[16:29] <neversfelde> Riddell: I have a problem with koffice, it ftfbs in a lucid pbuilder, smae package builds in a karmic pbuilder http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/315404/
[16:29] <neversfelde> apachelogger said that it is probably a problem with the new pkg-kde-tools
[16:30] <Riddell> yeah I saw you were talking to him about that
[16:31] <Riddell> I'll look at it shortly, battling with beurocracy just now
[16:32] <txwikinger> bureaucracy.. what a fun
[16:34] <shadeslayer> hi can someone help me with compiling amarok from git?
[16:36] <Riddell> ok kdevelop removed from karmic
[16:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: unless it's a kubuntu specific question that's better in #kde-devel or #amarok
[16:37] <txwikinger> kdevelop removed?
[16:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: its kubuntu specific :)
[16:37] <Riddell> txwikinger: yeah, it was beta, not release quality, we'll put updated versions into backport beta PPA
[16:37] <shadeslayer> well i get : http://pastebin.ca/1666661 : and i need to compile mysql with -fpic
[16:38] <txwikinger> Riddell: ah ok
[16:38] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: do you have the right header packages installed?
[16:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: so i wanted to know if recompiling mysql was necessary
[16:39] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: i did sudo apt-get build dep amarok
[16:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: we build against libmysqld-pic and mysql-server-5.1
[16:39] <shadeslayer> ah..
[16:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ah ok i figured it out,someone at #amarok told me to install libmysqlclient15-dev
[16:41] <shadeslayer> thanks guys,you dont mind if i hang out here do you?
[16:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: only if you fix five bugs a day :)
[16:44] <markey> Riddell: I don't have Intel graphics, I have NVidia. Apport is disabled (really dislike it)
[16:44] <markey> but if can do anything else to help, I can try
[16:45] <markey> KDE 4.3.3 upgrade seemed to bring some instabilities here
[16:45] <markey> another regression: try to set Fullscreen mode in VLC
[16:45] <markey> -> Plasma panel stays open
[16:46] <markey> that used to work with 4.3.2 packages
[16:46] <shadeslayer> Riddell: well i do try to,but launchpad.net is blocked by my uni :D
[16:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: seriously?
[16:46] <shadeslayer> ive asked them to unblock it today :P
[16:46] <rgreening> thats foobar
[16:46] <rgreening> :P
[16:46] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: How much did M$ pay for that one?
[16:47] <neversfelde> upstream wrote a mail about kid3 to the motu list. He says that kid3 does not need libmp4v2 with TagLib 1.6. So we could remove the dependency and move kid3 back to universe.the disadvantage is, that kid3 cannot add album art to mp4 files without libmp4v2.
[16:47] <neversfelde> what will we do?
[16:47] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: hehe,the whole college has a MS License
[16:48] <Riddell> markey: apport might get in the way for crashes in apps you know about but I think for X and hal which you may not it's a more reliable way of getting the necessary information into a bug report
[16:49] <txwikinger> shadeslayer: well maybe blocking lauchpad might be hardcoded in M$ firewall.. they don't want people to see bug #1
[16:49] <markey> hm, true
[16:49] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: maybe :)
[16:49] <shadeslayer> well i can help in triaging,not fixing though :)
[17:03] <Riddell> markey: I think I've seen that panel issue too, maybe we should find a plasma type to poke
[17:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh that panel pops up in dragon player too,if the panel is at the top of the screen
[17:11]  * txwikinger has lots of interesting things (mostly empty) pop up.. must be some notification thing
[17:30] <txwikinger> the scrolling issue still exists in Karmic.. and since it is on both arora and konq, I would think it is a qt problem
[17:31] <Riddell> scrolling?
[17:31] <txwikinger> sometimes when I scroll in those browsers, not the whole contents is scrolled, but only part of it
[17:33] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: yeah that happens in rekonq as well
[17:33] <shadeslayer> havent experienced it in the git builds though
[18:18] <ghostcube> ehlo peoples
[18:28] <Riddell> dantti: I'm not sure I follow your blog, you wrote a dbus(+KDE) frontend to debconf, but how does that help kpackagekit which doesn't use debconf?
[18:44] <jussi01> Riddell: can you find me a Kubuntu Tshirt somewhere? :D
[18:45] <jussi01> XL if you can...
[18:46]  * amichair would like a kubuntu mug to dip cookies in!
[18:50] <jussi01> amichair: and just who said you were getting cookies? and where are mine? :D :P
[18:51] <amichair> Nightrose gave me some earlier today... and apachelogger has a stash hidden away somewhere around here...
[18:51] <amichair> whelp, just finished the karmic upgrade, need to restart. cya on the other side!
[18:53] <Mamarok> jussi01: sad you didn't come to Akademy, you would have such a shirt now :)
[18:55] <jussi01> Mamarok: yeah, but not everyone has money and time (at the same time)
[18:55] <Mamarok> jussi01: hm, not an e.V. member?
[18:57] <jussi01> Mamarok: e.V. ?
[18:57] <Daskreech> amichair: Kookies!
[18:59] <Mamarok> jussi01: KDE :)
[19:00]  * jussi01 doesnt get it...
[19:00] <ghostcube> i have a nice set of kde coffe cups
[19:01] <ghostcube> :)
[19:01] <ghostcube> glas all
[19:02] <Mamarok> from Glasgow?
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> http://dantti.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/packagekit-and-debconf-status/
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> oh, that probably gave dantti a highlight, sorry 'bout that :)
[19:55] <ScottK> Riddell: I am.
[20:04] <amichair> crap the upgrade to karmic broke mysql :-(
[20:06] <dtchen_> does the caveat regarding mysql apply to you?
[20:06] <dtchen_> (...at least I *think* there was a caveat for mysql)
[20:07] <amichair> dtchen_: where would I find info about that?
[20:12] <dtchen_> amichair: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910#MySQL%20upgrade
[20:14] <amichair> dtchen_: it says using upgrade manager should properly upgrade from 5.0 to 5.1, but I seem to be left with a broken 5.0
[20:17] <dtchen_> amichair: you'll want to check the update-manager bug reports, then, and file a new bug if you're unsure.
[20:17] <amichair> dtchen_: ok, thanks. I'll try upgrading to 5.1 manually, hope it'll work
[20:28] <amichair> dtchen_: installing 5.1 manually fixed it (removing 5.0). thanks :-)
[20:28] <dtchen_> np
[20:59] <nixternal> hola!!!
[20:59] <nixternal> am I still wanted around here? did everyone forget about me? let me know soon please :p
[21:00] <markey> no, we hate you with passion!
[21:00] <markey> (why would you not be wanted?)
[21:00] <nixternal> figures, guess it is time to switch to gnome ;p
[21:00] <nixternal> i have been gone for like a month :)
[21:00] <markey> well, wb then :)
[21:01] <dtchen_> hey, it's rich the drunk dancer
[21:01] <nixternal> lost 31 pounds, and I am absolutely exhausted
[21:01] <nixternal> I don't want to get anywhere near my bicycle for some time
[21:01] <markey> sports or meth?
[21:01] <nixternal> hehe, sports :)
[21:01] <nixternal> we don't have meth in chicago
[21:01] <markey> :)
[21:01] <nixternal> we have math
[21:14] <Riddell> nixternal.  nixternal.  I remember that name.  loud chap, american
[21:14] <nixternal> hah!
[21:14] <nixternal> no more loud here... 0 voice, 31 poiunds smaller, and about 0 sleep in the past month
[21:15] <Riddell> 0 sleep?  obviously not excercising hard enough then
[21:16] <nixternal> heh
[21:16] <nixternal> 1900 miles in 24 days...plenty of exercise
[21:16] <Riddell> anywhere exciting?
[21:17] <nixternal> from Bar Harbor Maine to the Florida Keys
[21:17] <nixternal> a bunch of mountains, the ocean for most of the ride
[21:20]  * ScottK thought bicycling was done on land?
[21:20] <dtchen_> nixternal is just good like that
[21:20] <nixternal> haha
[21:22] <yuriy> ooh nixternal! welcome back!
[21:22] <nixternal> thanks
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> o/ nixternal
[21:32] <ryanakca> Welcome back nixternal :)
[21:32] <Riddell> we missed you nixy
[21:33] <nixternal> aww thanks!
[21:33] <nixternal> I will be ready in a couple of days time to start working again :)
[21:33] <Tm_T> !nixternal
[21:33] <nixternal> I am going to chill tonight for sure....wonder how long I can stay awake
[21:33] <nixternal> damn, I missed the Windows 7 launch!
[21:33] <Tm_T> nixternal: see, we never forgot you! <3
[21:33] <nixternal> we had a Microsoft support vehicle for our cycling trip
[21:33] <ScottK> Like usual or actual working?
[21:33] <ScottK> ;-)
[21:34] <nixternal> they liked my ubuntu duffle bag, which I have to say is much nicer than the LIVESTRONG duffle bag
[21:34] <nixternal> ScottK: plan on doing some work...gotta find a job too...about time I get back into the swing of things
[21:50] <maco> i really really hope this kne iso downloads without becoming corrupted by ext4 so i can get it onto a flash drive for tonight's installfest
[21:50] <maco> nixternal: oy, where've you been? i was trying to point one of the new folks in #u-w at you
[21:51] <maco> dunno where she went now. but you're the documentation man for kde, right?
[21:52] <nixternal> I have been on my cycling trip
[21:52] <nixternal> I will get back to being the documentation person for kde shortly
[21:54] <maco> nixternal: cycling trip?
[21:54] <maco> this sounds like exercise
[21:54]  * maco hids
[21:54] <maco> *hides
[21:55] <maco> hrm maybe i should play with ktouch....or well...nevermind, ktouch is full of spelling errors
[21:55] <ScottK> Riddell: There is a "Kubuntu Lucid Development" session in the last time period that isn't linked to a spec.  It makes it a bit tough to sign up for the session.
[21:56] <ScottK> maco: Sounds like another opportunity for upstream patches.
[21:57] <maco> ScottK: i actually *do* have an idea what's wrong. i think they're allocating a buffer 1 char too small so the last letter of every word pulled from the dictionary is missing, leading to such great spelling as: secretarie
[21:58] <ScottK> Ooh.  Nice.
[21:58] <maco> (when the original word was secretaries)
[22:41] <Riddell> Sime: pykde question in #kde-devel
[22:59] <Riddell> ScottK: it's https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-lucid-development
[23:18] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.