[14:14] <Kajover> mcphail, then is it ok to just go with the automatic partitioning?
[14:14] <mcphail> Kajover: I would
[14:14] <MonkeyDust> Kajover  you mentioned LVM, that's why i assumed you were more experienced
[14:14] <Kajover> thanks, all i wanted to know ;)
[14:14] <skinux_> mcphail: Probably makes him feel leet, so he has to do it. lol
[14:15] <Guest1467> I tried to modify grub and added nomodeset and changed quiet splash to no splash.It works better.but, still gives me black screen after loading.
[14:15] <Kajover> no, because in the fedora irc they said that the automatic partitioning in fedora isnt optimal and one should partition it better
[14:15] <mcphail> Kajover: fedora has alwyas been user-hostile. That isn't the Ubuntu way
[14:15] <Kajover> so i wanted to know if ubuntu is also "user-hostile"
[14:16] <Tobias92> Could somebody help me out? I upgraded my server server to Xenial while my desktop uses Trusty. It seems like NFS filesystems in /etc/fstab are not mounted properly on boot anymore; in particular, it seems like rpc_pipefs is mount mounted when the bootup process tries to process fstab -- relevant snipped from syslog here: http://pastebin.ca/3673545
[14:16] <joelio> there's no advantage for seperate /home for a new-to-ubuntu, single user system
[14:16] <Kajover> thanks, i feel leet enough when i start steam in linux
[14:16] <joelio> just do all-in-one
[14:16]  * skinux_ wonders if he'll ever get wireless working
[14:16] <Fr_Dae> Kajover take a usblive and test for yourself for me Lubuntu is the best think at the world after internet
[14:17] <acovrig> ooh, apt install ubuntu-desktop mentions a broken unity-webapps-common, I wonder if this is the issue...
[14:18] <Fr_Dae> so use a real IDE ligne gnome or Lxde =)
[14:18] <Fr_Dae> rip unity
[14:18] <Guest1467> Help please
[14:19] <joelio> IDE != Gnome/KDE/Unity :)
[14:19] <joelio> IDE is an integrated development environemnt
[14:19] <joelio> Window Manageer or Desktop Enviornment :)
[14:20] <joelio> or pre SATA days etc
[14:20] <ikonia> Fr_Dae: nothing like trying to put a product down when you don't even know what it is
[14:20] <_adb> Guest1467: does it produce any visual output at all? is there text that goes by followed by blackness? does it ever get to grub?
[14:21] <Guest1467> after i modified grub, it produces text and the logo of Ubuntu but, not the GUI.
[14:22] <blocky> so i'm trying to set up a pptp vpn, but when i added it to the list in network manager applet -> configure vpn, it didn't appear in the list of vpns to connect to, and then i restarted lightdm and now none of my vpns appear in that list
[14:22] <acovrig> “ubuntu-desktop depends checkbox-gui but it is not going to be installed” - all I see is “apt -f install” but it says everything is fine...
[14:26] <skinux_> Different problem. No black areas, instead when I click "play movie" on any movie, VLC cuts out completely (but doesn't crash)
[14:27] <Guest1467> What shall i do?
[14:27] <_adb> guest1467: does the text/logo go away or just get stuck? if it goes away, what is it replaced with? also, how did you modify grub?
[14:28] <WhoAmi00> i need someone to tell me what plan should i get for a vps servers
[14:29] <joelio> WhoAmi00: it depends on what your requirements are for the project you need it for..
[14:30] <Guest1467> I modified grub and added nomodeset and changed quiet splash to no splash and gfxmode 1024x768.after these modifications , the text messages appear and the logo then the logo disappears and the screen becomes black. when i press on power to shutdown , the logo appears again.
[14:32] <timp> anyone did an apt upgrade on Odroid C2 and after that the device didn't boot any more?
[14:33] <SkylakeMX> Guest1467: your problem now is that you can't reach your files to revert those settings?
[14:34] <g0r1774> .
[14:34] <Guest1467> why should i revert the settings?I modify the grub by pressing e on the menu. I prefer that the modifications i do are saved but, i don't know how.
[14:35] <Guest1467> The main problem is that it doesn't display the GUI.
[14:36] <SkylakeMX> Guest1467: that's because of the no splash if I'm correct
[14:36] <SkylakeMX> Guest1467: The settings you make can also be made to the grub config, you should not forget to run a grub update
[14:37] <Guest1467> The original setting "quiet splash" doesn't display even the text.
[14:38] <Guest1467> How can i run grub update? i only hav the option to modify and boot.
[14:39] <SkylakeMX> Guest1467: first you have to be able to boot the system or use a live-usb/cd, can u still do that?
[14:39] <Guest1467> yes.it works well from the DVD.
[14:40] <SkylakeMX> Guest1467: this should help you out then
[14:40] <SkylakeMX> sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev
[14:40] <SkylakeMX> oops
[14:40] <SkylakeMX> ignore that
[14:40] <SkylakeMX> Guest1467: http://askubuntu.com/questions/145241/how-do-i-run-update-grub-from-a-livecd
[14:41] <ducasse> Guest1467: you don't get the gui either with or without nomodeset?
[14:41] <SkylakeMX> Guest1467: seems a bit overwelming, but you generally only have to mount your partitions, chroot into the /mnt and run update-grub (don't forget to make changes to your grub config)
[14:42] <joelio> hang on why? You can get into rescue and do that stuff :)
[14:42] <joelio> not sure that's the outright issue with that atm, seems a graphics driver issue perhaps
[14:43] <ducasse> +1
[14:43] <Guest1467> this is not the main problem. I modify the settings and it is applied. The main problem that it doesn't display the GUI.I can't work on Ubuntu.
[14:43] <joelio> Guest1467: what hareware?
[14:44] <Guest1467> What is hareware?
[14:44] <joelio> sorry hardware
[14:44] <joelio> what machine / graphics card etc?
[14:44] <Guest1467> OK. Laptop lenovo 3000 N200. It works well using the live DVD.
[14:45] <joelio> is that one with discreete graphics.. ie. an inbuilt graphics adapter and a more powerful one?
[14:45] <joelio> ok, no, it's not
[14:45] <joelio> it's a  NVIDIA GeForce Go 7300
[14:46] <joelio> so you'll need nvidia drivers, I'm betting the nouevau drivers are buggy with it
[14:46] <Guest1467> It is mobile intel 965 express chipset
[14:46] <joelio> hah, not according to http://www.cnet.com/products/lenovo-3000-n200/specs/
[14:47] <joelio> so maybe it is discreete - i.e. it's got 2 graphics cards
[14:47] <joelio> ooi, have you tried plugging a monitor in too, or is it just by the panel
[14:47] <acovrig> I’m probably just missing a package, but I can’t adjust the brightness of my lenovo via the keys; I can, however, adjust it via /sys/class/backlight/*/brightness, so it’s not a graphics issue, but a keyboard issue; I tried manually mapping it, but it doesn’t recognize the keys
[14:48] <Guest1467> It is like the link you sent me.
[14:50] <ducasse> acovrig: does xev see the keys?
[14:50] <joelio> Guest14667: can you boot into rescue mode, so get a shell prompt? You should be able to select it from grub menu
[14:50] <acovrig> ducasse: no
[14:51] <ducasse> acovrig: then you basically can't use them. map some other keys instead.
[14:54] <obr7> Hello. I added some hdd space in VMware to my server. Is it possible to grow the "main LVM partition" via console? Alternativly: Does it work with GParted on Xenial?
[14:54] <acovrig> ducasse: ah, I would think the buttons are dead, bu thtis device is *new* and it works in windows; *sigh* thanks for the xev pointer
[14:55] <_adb> ducasse: acovrig: is it possible the keys are sending acpi events instead of registering as keyboard buttons?
[14:55] <acovrig> _adb: acpi_listen?
[14:55] <Guest___> Any suggestions to the black screen problem?
[14:55] <joelio> obr7: assuming you have enough free space in volume group, you can extend online, using lvextend -L +{size} [name of lv}
[14:56] <joelio> Guest___: boot into rescue, start shell, do a mount -o remount,rw
[14:56] <joelio> then apt-get instal nvidia-current
[14:56] <joelio> or you could check X.org log before doing that too
[14:56] <ducasse> acovrig _adb: another option is that it uses a driver in windows
[14:56] <joelio> see what's being loaded
[14:56] <Guest___> Do you mean recovery?
[14:56] <_adb> acovrig: yeah. might not help, but worth checking
[14:57] <joelio> Guest___: the rescue shell, accessible via grub menu
[14:57] <obr7> joelio: lvextend -v -l 100%FREE template99-vg/root \n New size of 0 not permitted
[14:57] <ruijanpallas> hello
[14:57] <acovrig> ducasse, _adb: this is a lenovo flex 3 15in, BTW
[14:57] <joelio> obr7: do you have space to extend it?
[14:57] <joelio> it's -L too afair
[14:57] <SkylakeMX> Hey _adb, did you fix your language issue of yesterday? :P
[14:57] <Guest___> how do i checkx x.org log?
[14:58] <obr7> No, I do not know how to give space to the group.
[14:58] <obr7> joelio: No, I do not know how to give space to the group.
[14:58] <joelio> obr7: check the volume group - vgs
[14:58]  * joelio has to do realy work now, laters
[14:58] <obr7> kk thanks
[14:59] <Guest___> I also tried recovery then chose graphics recovery. I tells me i must solve the problem myself.
[14:59] <ducasse> acovrig: i would just map it to whatever you find comfortable, probably the easiest solution.
[14:59] <ruijanpallas> I'm curious. uptime shows 3 users, although I'm the only using this machine. :s
[14:59] <_adb> SkylakeMX: nope. not yet. i've got cairodock on these machines, and found that comes with a nice applet to switch keyboard inputs, but i haven't found where it gets its list yet. for now it shows English (US) as the only option. i did g et the compose key working nicely with setxkbmap though, which helps
[15:00] <skinux_> Will someone please help me out with wireless? NetGear A6210, installed via NDISWrapper, wireless manager says no connections available after providing hidden wireless SSID
[15:00] <ruijanpallas> oh now i get it xD
[15:01] <ruijanpallas> sorry
[15:02] <ducasse> _adb: language problem?
[15:02] <ducasse> Guest___: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[15:03] <acovrig> ducasse: yea, I guess that works, but I’m dual’ing between ubutnu 16 and windows 10 so eeh, but I’ll probs be able to get used to it just fine :)
[15:03] <_adb> ducasse: i need to switch keyboard layouts on the fly, preferably with a nice "intuitive" graphical interface. i've shot myself in the foot though, because i don't have a proper DE on these computers, so i can't just change my settings in gnome or click the input manager in unity
[15:04] <SkylakeMX> _adb: that's good to hear, I hope you figure out the language thing too soon ;) linux is a never ending yourney hehe
[15:04] <Guest___> OK. I will quit and try.
[15:04] <acovrig> in apt install, I’m getting an unmet dependencies error, is there any way to determine which package in the list is causing the error?
[15:05] <ruijanpallas> so when I suspend, and then log back in I log in "different" session, because who -command shows three ruijanpallas
[15:05] <ruijanpallas> I'm confused
[15:05] <ducasse> _adb: you can switch keyboard layouts just with a key combo, you know?
[15:07] <_adb> ducasse: how?
[15:10] <ducasse> _adb: you use setxkbmap to specify which layouts you want to use, and -option grp:caps_toggle for example to toggle with caps lock. layouts and switch combos can be found in 'man xkeyboard-config', look under "Switching to another layout"
[15:13] <GnomeKris> Is there a native ubuntu application for gpu control without using anything proprietary?
[15:15] <_adb> ducasse: great to know. setxkbmap -layout ru works today but didn't work yesterday, so i'm guessing some of the packages i installed between then and now did what i wanted. now just to figure out which one(s) did the trick....and figure out how to get back to english, since i don't know how to type in russian :D
[15:15] <_adb> thanks!
[15:17] <JakesDen> i just deleted some verry important files what do i do?
[15:17] <JakesDen> there not in waste bin
[15:18] <JakesDen> quick
[15:18] <JakesDen> i need these files back NOW
[15:18] <ducasse> _adb: no problem :) if you have any kind of panel that provides a systray, you can switch layouts with something like the applet provided by ibus-damon (iirc)
[15:18] <JakesDen> HELP!
[15:18] <ducasse> JakesDen: try extundelete and stop shouting.
[15:20] <JakesDen> extundelete i dont know how to use
[15:21] <Pici> !undelete | JakesDen
[15:21] <_adb> ducasse: i have cairodock, and that has a built-in applet that i'd like to use, but i'll have to spend some time with the docs and/or the google to figure out how to use it. also, for what it's worth, unplugging and plugging the keyboard back in resets back to a default layout. very useful for me just now.
[15:22] <ducasse> JakesDen: try this: http://linoxide.com/linux-how-to/linux-recover-deleted-data-extundelete/
[15:22] <nilsF13> bonjour
[15:23] <oootheoneooo> If I have LDAP running in my environment and intend to use Landscape to manage my Ubuntu machines, is it possible to setup accounts via LDAP in Landscape?
[15:23] <nilsF13> je n'arrive pas à identifier le bon fichier de conf de phpmyadmin config.inc.php, comment savoir lequel est utilisé par phpmyadmin
[15:23] <ducasse> _adb: you can also use 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration' to set things up to your liking.
[15:23] <DJones> !fr | nilsF13
[15:23] <nilsF13> hi
[15:24] <g0r1774> hey
[15:24] <teward> oootheoneooo: I assume you are using Landscape Standalone and running it yourself.  https://help.landscape.canonical.com/HelpOnAuthentication/LDAP may be of interest.
[15:24] <teward> oootheoneooo: i don't think you can enable LDAP on the Canonical-hosted version of Landscape, though.
[15:24] <nilsF13> I cannot find the file config.inc.php used by my phpmyadmin app, how can I found out which file is used by the running phpmyadmin ?
[15:25] <nilsF13> I have 3 of this file, in /etc, /var, /usr
[15:25] <oootheoneooo> toward: Yes, I plan to setup Landscape Standalone. Thanks for the link. I'll review it.
[15:25] <nacc> nilsF13: /etc/phpmyadmin/config.inc.php iirc
[15:25] <shahla> hi
[15:26] <threedee>  /join #el-lnx ellnx
[15:26] <shahla> i have a question
[15:26] <teward> shahla: just ask it
[15:27] <shahla> can i crack a software after that expired on ubuntu?
[15:27] <MonkeyDust> shahla  linux is opensource, no need to 'crack'
[15:28] <teward> shahla: we can't help with software piracy / hacking / cracking here, sorry.
[15:29] <nilsF13> ok nacc, I try to modify $cfg['Servers'][$i]['LoginCookieValidity'] = 3;, adding one personal.php file in /etc/phpmyadmin/conf.d/ with this line, as it is supposed not to be updated (when phpmyadmin is updated), but it does not work, how to check it works ? login out and in is it enough ?
[15:31] <shahla> but now i see this message that my intellij is expired
[15:31] <DJones> shahla: Renew the licence
[15:31] <teward> shahla: renew the license.  Or use some other IDE.  We won't help you with cracking third party licensed applications here, sorry.
[15:32] <shahla> thanks
[15:32] <DJones> shahla: Or use the community edition which is free according to their website
[15:33] <nacc> nilsF13: one sec, on the phone, i'll ping in a bit
[15:34] <ppf> soo, i just went from trusty to xenial
[15:34] <nilsF13> ok thanks nacc
[15:34] <ppf> apt-get: relocation error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libapt-pkg.so.5.0: symbol _ZNKSt7__cxx1112basic_stringIcSt11char_traitsIcESaIcEE7compareERKS4_, version GLIBCXX_3.4.21 not defined in file libstdc++.so.6 with link time reference
[15:37] <ppf> what's up with that?
[15:38] <ppf> found a workaround at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/init-system-helpers/+bug/1572903
[15:48] <MonkeyDust> ppf  what's your issue, in human language
[15:49] <skinux_> MonkeyDust: can you assist with Wireless?
[15:50] <threedee> hi, is there a way for the launcher be empty on second monitor, just showing the active applications?
[15:50] <MonkeyDust> skinux_  no, did helpdesking, in Windows env... I avoid 'wireless' questions, since
[15:50] <nacc> nilsF13: this is on 16.04?
[15:51] <FSoci> hello all
[15:53] <nilsF13> yes nacc it is 16.04
[15:54] <nilsF13> nacc, it is 16.04
[15:54] <nilsF13> nacc: it is 16.04
[15:54] <nilsF13> nacc, trying to get your name colored
[15:55] <tgm4883> nilsF13: it only colors it for him
[15:55] <nilsF13> ok
[15:55] <nacc> nilsF13: ok, i'm setting up a container with the same env, one sec
[15:55] <nilsF13> wow, thanks
[15:56] <nilsF13> nacc, oups, I ommited your name, not familiar yet with chat
[15:56] <nacc> nilsF13: np
[15:57] <ppf> MonkeyDust: precisely what i said: after going from trusty to xenial, apt ceased to work with above error message
[15:58] <bahul> helllo
[15:58] <bahul> i am new to ubuntu
[15:59] <MonkeyDust> !manual | bahul
[15:59] <nacc> nilsF13: ok, i'm up -- how are you verifying if your setting change is taking effect?
[15:59] <Drakonan> hey yall is there a place where i can learn linux?
[15:59] <nilsF13> nacc, login out and login in
[16:00] <nilsF13> nacc, and set up 3 seconds to check quickly
[16:01] <Drakonan> like really i guess ui stuff mainly... ubuntu linux.... for example im using wine to play and older game and surprisingly it works with networking support across to a windows platform with no craziness, with one exception
[16:01] <Drakonan> the exception being i have to play in a window
[16:01] <nilsF13> nacc, I created a  personal.php file in /etc/phpmyadmin/conf.d/ with $cfg['Servers'][$i]['LoginCookieValidity'] = 3;
[16:01] <gerep> I have this in my ip route: <IP_ADDRESS>/26 dev eth0  proto kernel  scope link  src <IP_ADDRESS> Can someone tell me how do I add this via ip route? It has some extra options
[16:02] <Drakonan> when i try full screen the video is messed up, it's only showing the top quarter of the directx part almost like the game res and the x res are off
[16:02] <ppf> Drakonan: have you tried alt+enter
[16:02] <ppf> alright  :)
[16:02] <nacc> nilsF13: right; i just tried using the UI to set the same (it's under settings) and it took effect immediately. trying to see where that got written :)
[16:02] <Drakonan> ppf: yeah so that's another question in itself how to do i "kill it" when i get in that situation without having to reboot the whole server
[16:03] <nilsF13> nacc, this personal.php file should be called by config.inc.php at the end => foreach (glob('/etc/phpmyadmin/conf.d/*.php') as $filename)
[16:03] <ppf> Drakonan: there are a couple of wine channels on irc, you might have more luck over there
[16:03] <Drakonan> says its invite only?
[16:04] <ducasse> !register | Drakonan
[16:04] <Drakonan> i mean it works just fine in a window but it's really why im here is there some kind of compilation of basic fundamentals that would help me learn some of that
[16:04] <nilsF13> nacc, what is UI (user interface ?), I read with UI, the setting is lost after login out, I read it was set up only for the current session
[16:04] <nacc> nilsF13: right, agreed
[16:04] <nacc> nilsF13: e.g., http://<ip>/phpmyadmin
[16:05] <katronix> Hi all, last night I manually installed a package via deb files, and now apt-get thinks there are a newer copy of the programs but when I ask it to install it, it says errors out because the installed copy is the same version as the new version. How can I fix this issue: http://pastebin.com/5Bht1NzN ?
[16:05] <FSoci> l
[16:05] <ducasse> !wine | Drakonan
[16:05] <Drakonan> it seems like every time i get started i get stuck half with a ui issue or something that seems so simple and its really a training issue you know
[16:05] <nilsF13> nacc, i do not understand your e.g.
[16:05] <FSoci> Can somebody recomend some programs to download to entertain me on vacations? thx
[16:05] <nilsF13> nacc, I am using http://<IP_ADDRESS>/phpmyadmin
[16:05] <nacc> nilsF13: it's running as a webservice, generally; so you can navigate to http://<ip>/phpmyadmin
[16:05] <nacc> nilsF13: yes
[16:06] <ppf> FSoci: vim
[16:06] <nacc> nilsF13: Settings -> Features -> "Login Cookie Validity"
[16:06] <Drakonan> ducasse, wine was just an example idc specifically just highlights my lack of understanding the basics i feel like (?) you should be able to fix most problems without needing to reboot nowadays i'd hope :)
[16:07] <nilsF13> nacc, yes, but I read this would be lost after login out, this settind looks like living only for the current session, according to what I read
[16:07] <ducasse> !manual | Drakonan maybe this will help
[16:07] <nacc> nilsF13: it survives logout/login here
[16:08] <nilsF13> nacc, yes I am wong, I tryed and the setting is still there
[16:08] <nacc> nilsF13: ah ha! it stores it in the db, of course
[16:08] <nacc> nilsF13: pma__userconfig table
[16:08] <nilsF13> nacc, ok, so I drop configuring files, and use the UI, many thanks
[16:09] <nacc> nilsF13: not sure why it doesn't pick it up from the config file, but I can look into it if you want; but seems like you have a workaround for now
[16:10] <nilsF13> nacc, yes I have a workaround now, I will come back if necessary, don't spend time looking to conf file
[16:11] <nacc> nilsF13: ok, good luck! :)
[16:11] <nilsF13> nacc, I found the setting in the database, table phpmyadmin => {"LoginCookieValidity":10,  I setted up 10 seconds, so it is stored, and will be kept if upgrade
[16:12] <nacc> nilsF13: yes, it seems that way; it is per-user rather than global
[16:12] <nilsF13> nacc, do you know what is the max for LoginCookieValidity ? integer ? 65635 ?
[16:12] <nilsF13> ok nacc
[16:12] <nilsF13> nacc, per user is fine for me
[16:13] <nilsF13> nacc, the max is<PHONE_NUMBER>854775807 !
[16:13] <nacc> nilsF13: per the code, i think it just neesd to be a postivie integer
[16:14] <nacc> nilsF13: right, 2^63-1 i guess?
[16:14] <nilsF13> nacc, I filled with<PHONE_NUMBER>99999999999 and looked what was kept
[16:15] <nilsF13> ok nacc, 60*60*24*7 = 604800, enough for a week of work
[16:15] <nilsF13> nacc, thousand thanks for you help !
[16:15] <nilsF13> your*
[16:16] <tatertots> good morning everyone
[16:16] <nacc> nilsF13: np
[16:16] <MonkeyDust> good evening tatertots
[16:17] <nilsF13> nacc, you are right !, 2^63, that makes 8 bytes, right ?
[16:17] <nilsF13> nacc, all this is far away, at school in 1988
[16:18] <at3zhk> 10 -4
[16:20] <W0ndrC> has anyone here taken the LFCS exam?
[16:21] <mike-zal> quick question. if I check .xsession-errors, does it shows always fresh errors from current session login or also from the past (so now it's ok, but it shows some previous errors)?
[16:22] <tatertots> I've not taken LFCS but i've taken novell and redhat exams...oh and LPI stuff
[16:22] <Meowpancake> ？
[16:22] <`packy> i upgraded to 16.04, seems to be bogging me down some.... wasn't an issue before, have i peaked?
[16:22] <tatertots> are you planning to sit the LFCS exam W0ndrC?
[16:23] <dm_comp> Hi, I need help understanding this command "sudo dd if=/dev/sda | bzip2 > /media/usb/image.bz2" I would guess this wont pipe the 250GB hd into my 8GB memory before piping it to gzip2, correct?
[16:23] <W0ndrC> I am. I've been studying off and on for 6 months. Was wondering if anyone had any tips or adivce on areas to focus
[16:24] <joeblack> #pelican
[16:24] <tatertots> one of the guys i worked with took some LF exams, not that they were required but he ended up getting a job a LF as a writer
[16:25] <tatertots> the exam objectives should be published on their website
[16:25] <tatertots> make sure you are comfortable with all the published objectives and you should be fine
[16:25] <joeblack> wherr the fkc am I
[16:26] <joeblack> I'be been on drugs for the past 6 months and tinkering with linux...is that normal?
[16:26] <OerHeks> !ot | joeblack
[16:26] <joeblack> my combo is xanax+modanifil+
[16:26] <joeblack> and pregabalin
[16:26] <joeblack> !ot
[16:26] <joeblack> ???????????
[16:27] <OerHeks> joeblack, stop it, thanks.
[16:27] <joeblack> I don't understand
[16:27] <DJones> joeblack: This is Ubuntu support only, not medical details
[16:27] <joeblack> ai ai aiii buff sorry yes
[16:27] <DJones> If you have an ubuntu support question, please ask it, but keep general chat in other channels
[16:27] <joeblack> trimage is broken with 16.04.. :(
[16:28] <tatertots> the exam objectives are https://training.linuxfoundation.org/certification/lfcs in the domains and competencies section
[16:28] <joeblack> no, not trimage. phatch photo processor is broken
[16:28] <mike-zal> is .xsession-errors file always showung current errors or also past ones? can I delete it to see only the new ones (I assume file will respawn)
[16:29] <W0ndrC> I'm familiar with the objectives and I have run through the objectives several times.  I have one error there and when I google it, it shows an issue that I had in the past, so I'm not sure if what to think, hence my question if it shows new or past errors
[16:30] <tatertots> hell certs in general
[16:31] <tatertots> looks like a fun exam
[16:32] <OerHeks> i wonder what old stuff gets in that error log, mike-zal
[16:33] <mike-zal> OerHeks, not sure if I understood. nevermind, moved file to the trash and relogging to see what it shows now. thanks
[16:33] <whytrytofly> hello
[16:33] <whytrytofly> am i correct that i cannot use qupzilla qt5-webengine unter debian/ubuntu/etc...
[16:34] <mike-zal> OerHeks, it showed past error. now the new file don't show that error. thanks.
[16:34] <ioria> !info qupzilla
[16:34] <OerHeks> have fun :-)
[16:35] <joelio> there are other steps in there that use httpRequest to talk to an API I wrote, seriosuly tempted to move rundeck behind that for what I need, just so it's a bit cleaner and versioned better. When they're in jobs (not an scm checkout step either) then it's down to versioning the job xml or using config management.. which is still a split set of repos to manage the same pipeline
[16:35] <whytrytofly> ubotto = a boit?
[16:35] <whytrytofly> bot
[16:35] <ikonia> it is a bot, yes
[16:36] <joelio> oops wrong chan, lol
[16:41] <`packy> i upgraded to 16.04, seems to be bogging me down some.... wasn't an issue before, have i peaked?
[16:42] <ikonia> what ??
[16:42] <ikonia> can you try to talk in clear english please
[16:42] <`packy> what part don't you understand....
[16:42] <ikonia> all of it
[16:44] <`packy> i upgraded to 16.04... brought up cheese and the video is jerky..... wasn't an issue at 14.04..... i7 processor 12 gigs of ram....   have i maxed out the horsepower of my pc with this upgrade?
[16:44] <Toxtlo> Hi, I want to completely reinstall ubuntu, how can I keep a list of all the packages installed and install them afterwards, so, cloning my whole system?
[16:44] <ikonia> `packy: ok - so you've upgraded to 16.04 and your video is jerky...
[16:44] <ikonia> thats the problem
[16:44] <tgm4883> And to be clear, his webcam video is jerky. Who knows if other video is jerky
[16:44] <`packy> and i had a system hang the other day...
[16:44] <ikonia> you will be nowhere near the limits of the machines resources
[16:45] <ikonia> it's more likley your video card/webcam is not configured properly
[16:45] <`packy> still fine tuning 16.04?
[16:45] <ikonia> what ?
[16:45] <adroit_machine> hi ikonia
[16:45] <ikonia> what are you talking about
[16:45] <`packy> hey this is the first time bluetooth worked ..... after the upgrade
[16:45] <ikonia> `packy: what has that got to do with anything ?
[16:45] <`packy> nevermind....
[16:45] <hasanin> hello, how can I use systemd to add a service as a dependency for a non current target ? , for example my current target is multi-user.target and I want to add httpd.service as a dependency for graphical.target ,
[16:46] <jatt> Toxtlo: dpkg --get-selections > list.txt
[16:46] <jatt> Toxtlo: dpkg --set-selections < list.txt
[16:46] <Toxtlo> copying my home folder after that will do it?
[16:47] <jatt> Toxtlo: apt-get dselect-upgrade -y
[16:49] <jatt> Toxtlo: no copying the home folder won't do it
[16:53] <ubuntu817> i have a simple question regarding bash commands. could someone help?
[16:53] <jatt> sure, but the true experts are at #bash
[16:54] <sara-> dd
[16:54] <sara-> hi
[16:54] <sara-> msfconsole
[16:54] <sara-> Could not find rake-11.1.2 in any of the sources
[16:54] <sara-> Run `bundle install` to install missing gems.
[16:55] <ubuntu817> jatt, its simple let me post the question
[16:56] <Bassem> i have HP EliteBook 8460p with fingerprint login ...dos ubuntu support that?
[16:56] <OerHeks> sara-, correct, there is no 11.1.2 http://rake.rubyforge.org/
[16:57] <ubuntu817> ive a file containing 3 columns as id:name:salary. I wish to display the highest salaried employee. but if there's more than 1 employee for the highest salary, display them too. I need to do this one go only using pipes through basic commands not involving awk sed stuff
[16:57] <ubuntu817> is it at all possible?
[16:57] <OerHeks> Bassem, check the lspci/lsusb  ID here https://launchpad.net/~fingerprint/+archive/ubuntu/fingerprint-gui
[16:58] <ducasse> ubuntu817: why no awk/sed?
[16:58] <mcphail> ubuntu817: this isn't really the place for homework assignments
[16:58] <tgm4883> mcphail: +1
[16:59] <jatt> it's possible but why with bash? import the file to a local sqlite db and run a sql query that gets you the answer
[17:00] <tgm4883> jatt: because it's his homework
[17:00] <jatt> 😈
[17:00] <OerHeks> excluding awk and sed makes me back2school again
[17:00] <ioria> ubuntu817, an idea....  grep the numbers, sort the numbers , pick the highest and grep the name's  field ...
[17:01] <csst0111> is it possible to give /sdb1 more space by resizing/shrinking  ? http://imgur.com/zug7Bi7
[17:02] <csst0111> cause i have read this answer here ( http://askubuntu.com/a/126250/137076 ) and it says you need free space in front or after
[17:03] <notbot> anyone with the highest salaried question thing?
[17:03] <TurboKraken> !terminal
[17:03] <tgm4883> notbot: it was already answered
[17:03] <notbot> i got disconnected
[17:04] <notbot> could you please repost?
[17:04] <tgm4883> notbot: ioria> ubuntu817, an idea....  grep the numbers, sort the numbers , pick the highest and grep the name's  field ...
[17:04] <OerHeks> csst0111, highly unlikely by shrinking, and you would have to move whole sdb5 and its extended partition sdb2 to the end before merging the unallocated bytes to sdb1
[17:04] <tgm4883> notbot: that's the best answer you are going to get on a homework question
[17:05] <csst0111> OerHeks, so what do you propose ? is it possible to move sdb5 to the end ?
[17:06] <notbot> I came up with something like this sort -rn -t":" -k3 file | cut -d":" -f3 | head -n 1 > file2
[17:07] <OerHeks> csst0111, no, you need to expand the extended partition first to the end.
[17:07] <OerHeks> sdb5 is locked in sdb2
[17:08] <csst0111> oh right
[17:10] <viknesh> hi this is my hard drive partition http://imgur.com/a/3JXda , i want use 10 gb unallocated space for my linux partition (dev/sda9) when i right click my root partition and select Resize/Move , there is no option to increase the space
[17:10] <viknesh> to*
[17:11] <notbot_> got disconnected again
[17:11] <OerHeks> viknesh, you cannot alter partitions that are in use, use the live iso for this
[17:12] <viknesh> OerHeks: ok will do that , after i boot into live cd what should i be doing ?
[17:12] <notbot_> hello
[17:12] <ducasse> notbot: do your homework yourself. nobody here is going to do it for you.
[17:12] <OerHeks> viknesh, then you would be able to edit partition/size with your mouse
[17:12] <viknesh> OerHeks: so the resize/move option will allow me to increase the partition
[17:12] <notbot_> ducasse its not homework.. somethin that I queried to myself
[17:13] <OerHeks> viknesh, yes.
[17:13] <notbot_> Ive done it. But i need a way to maybe combine the two steps in one..
[17:13] <notbot_> tried but couldnt succeed..
[17:14] <Pici> notbot_: this channel is for people having problems with their Ubuntu installs. Not for bash programming help. #bash exists, but they will not take kindly to doing others homework for them either.
[17:14] <viknesh> OerHeks: so , just right clicking my root partition ans choosing resize/move would work ?
[17:14] <OerHeks> viknesh, yes, you have 43.04 gb free next to it
[17:15] <notbot_> Pici: ok ill go ask there but again its not a homework.. It just popped to me.. i cant think of a way to achieve what I want
[17:15] <viknesh> OerHeks: how come it will be 43 ? i just have 10 gb unallocated space
[17:15] <csst0111> so first I expand sdb2 to the end and then i shrink it from the beginning ?
[17:15] <ducasse> notbot_: riiiight.
[17:16] <pretodor> guys, is there anybody using Chromium/Chrome v.51 here?
[17:16] <OerHeks> viknesh, you have 2 pieces of unallocated space.
[17:16] <viknesh> OerHeks: oh i guess u mistook for 43 mb
[17:16] <OerHeks> oh, my bad, not gb .... oops
[17:17] <_adb> pretodor: yes
[17:17] <viknesh> OerHeks: is that i will be having only 43 mb next to it ,or 10 gb too ?
[17:17] <OerHeks> viknesh, i was wrong, you would have to move sda4 and sda5 first
[17:17] <OerHeks> that will give you 43 mb + 10 gb yes
[17:18] <viknesh> OerHeks: yeah , that's what i thought
[17:19] <pretodor> _adb: brilliant! Could you open Synaptic Package Manager and see if you also have available v.49? (The versions are listed in the package's "Properties")
[17:19] <viknesh> OerHeks: fine :) thanks for it :-D
[17:20] <_adb> pretodor: er... no. not using synaptic, but unsure why one would want to have both v49 and 51 or replace 51 with 49.
[17:20] <pretodor> _adb: the reason why I am asking you to do this is because I seem not to be able to switch to v.49 despite having it listed as an available version
[17:22] <pretodor> _adb: I am trying to downgrade to v.49 because there is a bug in v.51. More info here: https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/chrome/Xh9GV7jNymo/InHwd7vsCwAJ
[17:23] <d1z> hello, I'm trying to install ubuntu into an hp mini 210-4000, I've already prep'd a usb (as the laptop doesn't have a cdrom) with usb-creator with an ubuntu image, the process ended up succefully but when I stick the usb into the mini laptop and try to boot off it it doesn't work, the grub doesn't come up. What can I try in thiscase?
[17:24] <nacc> d1z: is your bios configured to boot from usb?
[17:24] <d1z> nacc yes
[17:25] <tatertots> dlz are you %100 sure you are instructing the computer to boot from USB and not the internal disk drive or cddrive?
[17:25] <tatertots> this is usually done by pressing a button during power on, you didn't mention pressing any key to enter the boot menu of the pc so i'll assume you skepped that step
[17:25] <d1z> tatertots: yes, quadruple checked. I've been installing linux distros off usb sticks for the better part of 8 years
[17:26] <tatertots> if you selected to boot from usb then you need to confirm your usb is actually bootable in a different computer
[17:26] <d1z> tatertots: it is, I already tried it on a separate laptop
[17:27] <d1z> I searched for information regarding touchy hp annoyances and found something: http://askubuntu.com/questions/244261/how-do-i-get-my-hp-laptop-to-boot-into-grub-from-my-new-efi-file
[17:27] <_adb> d1z: have you booted other usbsticks to this laptop before? i'm curious if the laptop bios wants to treat the usb more like a hard drive than a usb
[17:27] <mike-zal> then you need to tinker bios settings. sometimes it can be tricky. I also had some computers where I thought I have usb enabled but they were not seen by the bios, at least not in the place I was looking..
[17:27] <d1z> but that seems to be related to aninstallation that has already happened. I mean, in that scenario the guy was capable of booting the image, installing it, but then had problems having the machine boot the newly installed system
[17:28] <tatertots> once you've verified usb functions on a different machine, has the computer in question ever in it's history been able to boot any 'other' usb bootable media?
[17:28] <d1z> tatertots: yes. The machine comes with windows 7, and my girlfriends' brother was capable of installing windows 10 on it from a usb stick
[17:29] <mike-zal> sometimes usb is treated in BIOS like a HDD, so one must set it and then choose USB from HDD launching sequence...
[17:29] <d1z> the reason Im trying to install ubuntu on it is because windows 10 is way overkill for this little thing, it's like a netbook. It's extremely slow on it
[17:29] <tatertots> try instructing the computer to boot the usb in the bios boot order
[17:29] <mike-zal> d1z, see my previous comment, it may be the reason why you don't see usb in bios
[17:31] <_adb> d1z: i've had to change the "usb emulation mode" from "auto" to "hard disk" in bios before, then the usb would show up as a hard drive in the boot menu
[17:32] <g0r1774> hey
[17:32] <d1z> this is a very limited bios, it doesn't have anything of the sort
[17:32] <d1z> mike-zal, the boot sequence is fine
[17:32] <d1z> usb harddisk up front
[17:33] <d1z> when I stick the usb in it, the machine doesn't boot off the harddrive (windows10), it just stays there as if it's reading the usb but it never actually boots from it
[17:33] <mike-zal> d1z, I mean, that sometimes there are levels of boot sequences and there is sequence within a sequence... that is why I also had once issue to find usb.
[17:33] <mike-zal> so basically I had to choose hard drive and then find settings for hard drive sequence and there I found usb.
[17:34] <mike-zal> so it wasn't so obvious as usually
[17:34] <tatertots> you should try known good usb....saying that somebody's boyfriends brother or sister did it once is good and all but not as good as validating in real time during trouble shooting
[17:35] <d1z> tatertots: windows 10 got in this laptop through usb, no other way
[17:35] <d1z> and this usb does boot in my other machine
[17:35] <tatertots> maybe your usb is not proper but since you're trying the same one over and over you'll never be revealed to you
[17:36] <tatertots> no other way other than usb to get this originally win8 system to win10?...they couldn't have just downloaded the update to win10?
[17:36] <d1z> no
[17:37] <d1z> it's not like I'm imagining what he did or didn't
[17:37] <d1z> he told me
[17:37] <d1z> I know him, been knowing him for 5 years
[17:37] <mike-zal> d1z, did you check the usb on another computer?
[17:37] <d1z> mike-zal: yes
[17:37] <d1z> it did boot, that's why I refuse to believe the 'not proper' usb theory
[17:38] <tatertots> so he's tried a known good computer with the usb
[17:38] <mike-zal> so when it was bootable on other computer, it has to be on the one you want. need to go through bios settings one by one. and I assume secure boot is disabled?
[17:38] <mike-zal> also some bios are set for windows so you need to choose "different system".
[17:39] <tatertots> now try a known good bootable usb in the hp to validate it....if you don't have the means to do that type of testing that's understandable
[17:39] <tatertots> do the best you can with what you have at your disposal
[17:39] <d1z> mike-zal: there is no uefi settings related settings in the bios. Specially no secure boot on/off setting
[17:40] <d1z> even though I'm 100% sure this bios is uefi capable, and secure mode is enabled as I don't believe you can even install windows10 on a machine with secure boot mode off
[17:40] <mike-zal> d1z, just saying that sometimes we don't see things in front of our eyes. just go one by one through all bios menus and maybe you will find something that will help you.
[17:41] <d1z> mike-zal: I know it's frustrating to read me. Maybe it is because I am frustrated myself, but if you were to look a picture of this bios, you'd know there isn't much to try here
[17:41] <mike-zal> d1z, if win10 was updated from win7 that doesn't used it, then it can be installed
[17:41] <d1z> besides changing the boot sequence, there is no other relevant option in the bios
[17:41] <d1z> mike-zal: I've previously stated that windows 10 was installed using a usb stick
[17:41] <tatertots> have you looked at the computers documentation to see what the manufacture method of booting usb on the system in question?
[17:42] <mike-zal> d1z, I had the same situation. I looked through menus and nothing. I was so irritated but then I just went into very detailed search and found it finally.
[17:42] <mike-zal> and also bios menus were sparse so I also thought, that's not possible, I see everything
[17:42] <_adb> d1z: might be dumb, but have you tried a different usb port?
[17:43] <d1z> _adb: yes, I already tried all of them
[17:43] <madsj> I may have done something terrible, and made a typo in my .bashrc, so now I can't login (I'm currently using the guest user)
[17:43] <tatertots> but you haven't tried known good usb media?..........that's the only thing you have to rule out
[17:44] <mike-zal> d1z, ah, one more thing. sometimes you need to set something in bios (like enablin boot from usb) and then reboot it to see the new options. also some secure boot and other weird shit can be hidden if you won't change some obscure setting
[17:44] <madsj> both in the display manager and in tty (there's a message there, but it disappears to quickly for me to notice)
[17:44] <tatertots> and it's hanging so low right in front of you to rule out
[17:44] <tatertots> and would possibly reveal so much
[17:45] <tatertots> but let's try everything else under the sun except try a known good usb device though...let's dance and skip all around that
[17:45] <mike-zal> d1z, also I'm not sure, but there may be a way to start ubuntu install from windows. it is possible to start windows install from linux so maybe the other way around... but I'm not sure.
[17:45] <_adb> madsj: can you, as the guest user, run something like
[17:45] <_adb> su -c 'mv /home/madsj/.bashrc{,.broken}' madsj
[17:45] <_adb> (replace madsj with your actual username)
[17:46] <d1z> mike-zal: yes it was possible, I remember the ubuntu iso having some sort of autorun that could be exec'd from windows and in the next reboot it would boot the iso and not windows
[17:46] <d1z> maybe I should try that from windows 10 (the only problem is windows 10 in this machine is such a pain in the ass to handle, it's overwhelmingly borderline unusably slow)
[17:47] <madsj> _adb: I noticed I could login in with ssh, so the error is somewhere else
[17:47] <madsj> ssh X@localhost
[17:47] <mike-zal> d1z, first check all possible bios settings and restart if you change anything to see if something showed up
[17:48] <mike-zal> d1z, also, if the computer is very weak, I can recommend lubuntu version.
[17:49] <jnewt> can't seem to get ubuntu to install on a little mini itx computer I bought.  everytime the install starts (from usb stick), i either get a garbled looking terminal, or if it gets to the graphics part, the screel looks all messed up / garbled and then the pc is rebooted.
[17:49] <d1z> mike-zal: I've already tried that. Trust me it's a lost cause. If you could see how limited this bios is then you'd understand my point, but regardless, I've already tried most options
[17:49] <subsume> how can I make a USB persistent install of ubuntu from OSX?
[17:49] <subsume> is it possible?
[17:51] <jnewt> could it be that the install drive is labeled as "UEFI: USB2.0 USB Flash Drive" in the BIOS?
[17:51] <ducasse> d1z: if i'm not mistaken the windows installer is 'wubi', which is broken and no longer works.
[17:53] <tatertots> dlz if you're admitting by your own words that you've tried EVERYTHING and ruled everything out (except a known good usb device)
[17:54] <mike-zal> d1z, walk away from it for a while, cool down and you will find solution eventually. I also had many momenths where I thought "no way" but then I finally found it
[17:55] <mike-zal> sometimes trying too hard doesn't work ;)
[17:57] <tatertots> jnewt does it only fail at the point of installation?...meaning you can use the live environment to your hearts content?
[17:58] <tatertots> your words were "every time the install starts" so that's why i'm asking jnewt
[17:58] <jnewt> tatertots, no, it fails if i try to use the live as well. the install usually fails when it asks me if i want to install 3rd party drivers (regardless of whether i choose yes or no).
[17:59] <fox__> hello
[18:01] <tatertots> jnewt a lot of details you give are about things that happen "during installation"
[18:02] <tatertots> have you clicked to "try ubuntu"
[18:02] <jnewt> tatertots: because it makes it further installing than running live.  when i chose live, it immediately garbles the screen.  there's not much to say about that
[18:04] <riqj> hello everyone, I've been running the upgrade from 14.04. to 16.04.1. and I selected lock screen, as I thought it would be possible to do, since the screen was already locked by system a short while ago during this upgrade.but then the login screen froze, with typing bar appearing frozen, too, in the password entry cell. and after a few minutes the screen went dark, with wifi and bluetooth lights still blinking, but no movement in the hdd light.
[18:04] <tatertots> jnewt have you tried to boot your usb in another computer?
[18:05] <riqj> my screen is black like when the machine is turned off, but the network light blinks!!!?
[18:05] <tatertots> riqj laptop or desktop?
[18:06] <riqj> tatertots, laptop
[18:07] <tatertots> sounds like you're describing a system freeze/hang/lockup during a operating system upgrade riqj
[18:08] <tatertots> a situation like that might put the user in a situation where the user has to power cycle/hard restart the computer
[18:09] <riqj> tatertots, yes, I wanted to lock the screen as I would be temporarily away during the upgrade. and I thought it'd be harmless as the system itself locked me out a short while ago during this same upgrade.
[18:09] <riqj> and I could log back in
[18:09] <riqj> and also the Z light is on, too, which indicates that the system is on (thinkpad)
[18:10] <riqj> just the screen is black as if turned off, as I said
[18:10] <purplefool> has anyone every tried to install ubuntu on a odys winpad 10 2in1 system?
[18:10] <tatertots> after the user possibly manually restarts the computer after a situation like this, they might have to again initiate the upgrade that was interrupted
[18:10] <jnewt> tatertots: trying in my laptop right now, seems to work fine
[18:11] <riqj> tatertots, I'd be all right if the upgrade just needed to be re-initiated, though it was already at the install stage. but I hope it didn't cause the grub / os to break.
[18:11] <tatertots> i hope it didn't cause anything to break also
[18:12] <boot13> A PHP developer is yelling at me, insisting that running an up to date Ubuntu version of PHP 5.3 (5.3.10-1ubuntu3.24) is insecure. He insists that because PHP 5.3 is no longer officially supported, it can't be secure. But 5.3.10-1ubuntu3.24 has had all relevant security fixes applied. Opinions?
[18:12] <OerHeks> purplefool, when i read this suse post, it is not worth it. https://thinksilicon.de/74/HowTo-openSUSE-13-2-auf-Odys-Winpad-V10-installieren.html
[18:13] <subsume> i see my usb device using lsusb but i can't figure out how to mount it
[18:13] <riqj> tatertots, or would it maybe running the upgrade at the background, so that if I leave it so, maybe it resumes normal state once upgrade is done - though it used to require confirmation before removing files, if I remember right..so completion may not be possible?
[18:14] <jnewt> tatertots: only thing i can think is to try and find some other OS to install on the computer to verify hardware is fine, but i don't really have anything available.  would it be worth trying a different linux flavor?
[18:14] <tatertots> boot13 if you're in a professional environment with a PHP devel management will sort that out shortly
[18:14] <riqj> but on the other hand, hdd light is not blinking at all..cant make sense out of this
[18:14] <madsj> _adb: basically, be careful with /etc/security/limits.conf :-)
[18:14] <purplefool> OerHeks, thx for the reply. read that too but was hoping someone had tried it or had an idea. son's laptop from stupid brother-in-law and it is totally worthless with present os.
[18:15] <boot13> tatertots: how will they do that?
[18:15] <OerHeks> boot13, follow that PHP developer.
[18:15] <riqj> hdd light did blink..but does so rarely
[18:15] <tobias33> how can i change the channel to german help?
[18:16] <riqj> oh gosh..no tips to get me out of here?
[18:16] <Pici> tobias33: type /join #ubuntu-de
[18:16] <tatertots> management would know the corp policy about if you should be maintaining a environment for dev's that is best for their work
[18:16] <subsume> boot13: is it a problem to just update php
[18:16] <riqj> I mean out of this situation
[18:16] <tobias33> thx
[18:16] <subsume> that was released in feb 2012
[18:16] <subsume> its kinda old i guess
[18:17] <tatertots> or if the dev should work according to and within a system spec that's a part of the corporate policies
[18:17] <purplefool> riqj, my experience with a hdd that doesn't blink often is either the connection or the thing is dead/dying.
[18:17] <tatertots> either way let management sort it out
[18:18] <riqj> purplefool, thankfully it's blinking, though rarely. I wish the anomaly to be limited to the upgrade.
[18:19] <boot13> subsume: there's no compelling reason to upgrade other than this guy's opinion. I prefer to stay with the packages provided by Ubuntu for the release we're running, 12.04.5 LTS.
[18:19] <subsume> boot13: that's an ancient release that's been out of life for a long time
[18:20] <riqj> what would happen if I hard-shut the computer in this state?
[18:20] <boot13> subsume: 12.04.5 is supported until April 2017.
[18:20] <OerHeks> boot13, 'there's no compelling reason to upgrade" is just your opinion.
[18:20] <subsume> boot13: oh, right
[18:20] <boot13> OerHecks: I'm looking for evidence.
[18:21] <subsume> Well he's correct that your version of PHP is EOL
[18:21] <_adb> madsj: haha, yea, that'd help. is it fixed then?
[18:21] <subsume> boot13: i will say that ubuntu around 12.XX was kinda known for shipping with really old versions of things
[18:21] <tatertots> if that version of PHP is EOL the question becomes how does your company or organization plan to deal with that fact
[18:22] <tatertots> how do you plan to deal with ubuntu 12.04 and have you made steps or a plan.? if none of this has taken place then you're probably in a go with the folow type setting
[18:23] <tatertots> flow
[18:23] <OerHeks> boot13, oh, now from opinion to evidence .. how sad.
[18:23] <boot13> tatertots: which is exactly what we're looking at now. Just trying to gather information. If PHP 5.3.10-1ubuntu3.24 isn't secure, why is it still being offered and maintained?
[18:23] <subsume> boot13: the underlying system is being maintained but i don't think that means they vouch for every included package, i could be wrong about that
[18:23] <subsume> what version of python comes with 12.04 ?
[18:24] <subsume> looks like 2.7.3 which is pretty old, i would be kinda pissed but its not a deal breaker i guess
[18:24] <boot13> OerHeks: what are you talking about? The dev is telling me something without backing it up. So it's his opinion. I disagree, but it's only my opinion. I'm looking for evidence. What don't you understand?
[18:24] <subsume> boot13: it isn't his opinion that the version of PHP is EOL
[18:25] <subsume> but then again getting a more modern version of PHP on a 12.04 box is kind of a pain, too
[18:25] <subsume> (potentially)
[18:25] <tatertots> your management has their work cut out for them, they better get busy
[18:25] <riqj> ok, I restarted and it switched from normal boot to a screen showing operations line by line, and it remained at a halt halfway into the display for the last two minutes.
[18:25] <boot13> subsume: yes, it's EOL as far as the core PHP devs are concerned, but it's still being maintained by Ubuntu.
[18:26] <riqj> the last line is '[OK] Started Update UTMP about System Runlevel Changes.'
[18:26] <subsume> boot13: that seems like its a different conversation, maybe you should go to #php and ask them what critical fixes have landed since 2012
[18:26] <subsume> ubuntu package maintainers aren't really the people to ask
[18:27] <tgm4883> boot13: PHP is in the universe repository, which isn't officially supportd
[18:27] <boot13> subsume: it's all documented: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/5.3.10-1ubuntu3.23
[18:27] <subsume> so that's your evidence i guess?
[18:28] <madsj> _adb: yes, I commented the line, and now I can login. A friend posted a photo with a fork bomb, and I was "dumb" and typed it in, and noticed that Ubuntu by default doesn't guard against such things.
[18:28] <boot13> subsume: nope. Just saying that the security fixes in PHP 5.3.10-1ubuntu3.24 are documented.
[18:28] <_adb> :(){ :|:& };: <-- my favorite
[18:28] <_adb> (don't run that)
[18:28] <tgm4883> !danger
[18:29] <OerHeks> _adb, childish, as you know *not * to post this
[18:29] <tgm4883> _adb: don't post that here
[18:29] <subsume> boot13: so what were you looking for in the way of evidence? go through those releases and see if anything tickles your fancy i guess. that sadly leads back to the realm of opinion in terms of prioritizing what's worth upgrading to and what's not
[18:29] <madsj> _adb: that was the done; a command not doing anything slowed down the computer. I also noticed that yes(1) hogs a lot of resources
[18:30] <_adb> sorry... figured in context with "fork bomb" beforehand and saying "don't run that" immediately after it would be in subject... :-/
[18:30] <madsj> tgm4883: cut the guy some slack ;-)
[18:30] <subsume> boot13: you are seeing as some kind of evidence that "oh, this version of PHP ships with an old but supported version of ubuntu, therefore its fine to use" i think that's a pretty strict way of thinking. the version of redis in that package, for example, is laughably old
[18:30] <Toxtlo> Hi, when reinstalling ubuntu and wanna use full disk encryption, can I manually choose partitions, like root and home partition?
[18:30] <boot13> subsume: 'old' doesn't necessarilty mean 'insecure'.
[18:30] <tgm4883> _adb: nope, there are enough new users (especially in this chat) that may run that to see what it does
[18:31] <peb7268> Hi, can anyone point me in the right direction w this bash script. Getting an unexpected fi error: http://pastebin.com/8wtvLJD9
[18:31] <OerHeks> boot13, why don't you have that discussion with your PHP developer?
[18:31] <subsume> boot13: right, so like i said, go ask #php if there were any useful security releases in the last 4 years :P
[18:31] <riqj> I switched to console. at the top of the terminal, this error message appeared: 'E:Error: BrokenCount > Orun-parts: /etc/update-motd.d/90-updates-available exited with return code 255'  .... could you please help me know how I can fix this broken state?
[18:31] <boot13> subsume: I'm looking for some kind of consensus, or specific examples of security issues in PHP 5.3.10-1ubuntu3.24. Currently it seems like it's all opinion.
[18:31] <Symmetria> Hi All, I'm trying to rebuild bind with a specific config option, but when I do the following, it tells me that --enable-threads is an invalid flag, this is what I tried:
[18:32] <Symmetria> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="--enable-threads" fakeroot debian/rules binary
[18:32] <Symmetria> what am I missing here, because configure DOES have a --enable-threads option
[18:32] <boot13> subsume: I don't need to ask. I know there were, and I know all relevant ones are in PHP 5.3.10-1ubuntu3.24.
[18:32] <riqj> with -f install or with dpkg ?
[18:33] <subsume> all of them were in one release?
[18:33] <boot13> OerHeks: the conversation went nowhere.
[18:34] <riqj> ok, I selected -f install. now the install stared
[18:34] <riqj> started
[18:34] <subsume> i'm glad you aren't my sysadmin :P
[18:34] <boot13> subsume: no.
[18:34] <subsume> "just use 12.04 and everything that comes with it out of the bag, its fine" O_o
[18:34] <riqj> my question is, will -f install solve the broken state, once completed?
[18:35] <riqj> or will I need to run an additional command=
[18:35] <riqj> ?
[18:35] <jnewt>  tried the iso on a virtualbox install, same result as on the computer.  seems to only work on my laptop.
[18:35] <boot13> subsume: I don't understand why you feel it necessary to insult me for asking questions.
[18:35] <subsume> boot13: its not an insult, i literally am glad that you aren't my sysadmin because it would quickly degrade into being a non-starter. there's simply no way i'd develop in a 4 year old version of python or an archaic version of redis, etc etc
[18:35] <madsj> it reminds me that an old boss of mine had an innocent packed data perl-command in his signature; when you ran it, it said "I knew you'd do that"
[18:36] <tgm4883> lets stay civil now
[18:36] <boot13> subsume: I totally understand that as a developer you don't want to work with old versions of PHP. But this is about SECURITY.
[18:36] <sypher> PHP 5.4 is EOL. Why the hell would you develop in PHP 5.3?
[18:37] <sypher> boot13: Simple. 5.3 will never receive security updates from upstream. Ever.
[18:37] <tgm4883> boot13: sorry I'm not really following, can you restate your question?
[18:37] <subsume> he's saying that the underlying system happens to package it therefore its probably fine
[18:37] <subsume> since 12.04 LTS still ships with it
[18:37] <boot13> sypher: can you explain what that means?
[18:37] <pa> is it possible to reduce the icon size in unity dash?
[18:38] <sypher> boot13: That means that if any vulnerabilities are discovered in php 5.3, you'll be told "sucks to be you, nerd. Use a supported version." It's been that way for some time.
[18:38] <subsume> far be it from me to side with a PHP developer :P
[18:38] <sypher> boot13: http://php.net/eol.php
[18:38] <boot13> sypher: and yet the Ubuntu package is getting security updates.
[18:38] <sypher> 5.3 has been EOL for almost two years.
[18:38] <tatertots> riqj yes you're on the right track
[18:38] <tgm4883> boot13: what is the question?
[18:39] <subsume> oh he's kinda right
[18:39] <subsume> the latest ubuntu 5.3 seems to have updates as of 2016
[18:39] <boot13> tgm4883: is it inherently insecure to run older versions of PHP (eg. 5.3) even if the Ubuntu packages are getting up to date security fixes.
[18:40] <sypher> Yes, he IS correct in that SOME vulnerabilities are addressed by Canonical.
[18:40] <riqj> tatertots, yes, things seem to flow..do I need to use another command, like dpkg, after the current install?
[18:40] <bigpic> has anyone bumped into a permissions error when trying to initialize a new mysql install into a custom data dir?
[18:40] <bigpic> root@db2:/# ls -la | grep storage2 && mysqld --initialize --user=mysql
[18:40] <bigpic> drwxr-xr-x   2 mysql mysql  4096 Aug  4 14:23 storage2
[18:40] <bigpic> mysqld: Can't create directory '/storage2/mysql/' (Errcode: 13 - Permission denied)
[18:40] <bigpic> I’m getting a perms error
[18:40] <sypher> boot13: And those security updates end in eight months, by the way.
[18:40] <bigpic> which doesn’t make sense if you look at the above
[18:40] <ikonia> bigpic: fix the permissions so mysql can write to them
[18:40] <boot13> sypher: I'm aware of that.
[18:41] <tgm4883> boot13: no
[18:41] <derwood2> Heya Folks, Would anyone be interested to help me out here: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2332842
[18:41] <bigpic> ikonia: if you look at the output above mysql owns that director
[18:41] <ikonia> derwood2: just ask your question
[18:41] <bigpic> +y
[18:41] <sypher> boot13: Then you already have the data in front of you that tells anyone sane that this is a bad idea.
[18:41] <ikonia> bigpic: touch a file in there
[18:41] <rootsandculture> hi
[18:41] <boot13> tgm4883: THANK YOU for answering my question.
[18:42] <boot13> sypher: what data is that?
[18:42] <bigpic> creating a few had no impact
[18:42] <ikonia> bigpic: creating a few what ?
[18:42] <rootsandculture> iI can't burn BD (blu-ray) in brasero, does someone knows if is it possible? Does someone sucesfully burned a BD25 or BD50gb?
[18:42] <sypher> boot13: The data that you've been consistently ignoring because it doesn't fit your predetermined opinion. Have fun.
[18:42] <tgm4883> sypher: there's nothing wrong with running 12.04 and php 5.3 and staying up to date via apt
[18:42] <ikonia> bigpic: please pastebin the output of ls -la /storage2
[18:43] <jec> Hello??
[18:43] <subsume> "I'm looking for consensus, but thanks for the person who vaguely confirmed my side in an office debate"
[18:43] <subsume> sounds like a great place to work
[18:43] <sypher> subsume: right?
[18:43] <jec> Is there anyone available that can assist me with a problem I'm having with caja??
[18:43] <boot13> subsume: I thanked him because he asnwered my question, unlike what you've been doing.
[18:43] <subsume> i love having debates with my sysadmin about staying on 12.04 for as long as possible
[18:45] <aFeijo> hello friends. I have a problem with my vmware workstation 12. I'm running Ubuntu as guest, I installed the vmware tools many times from diferent ways like I found on ubuntu forums but no joy! The screen wont autofit, nor copy/paste or drag files works!!! :(
[18:45] <boot13> subsume: thanks for being so helpful. This is why I love IRC.
[18:45] <jec> Is there a queue for help? if so how do I get in there?
[18:46] <subsume> don't ask to ask, just ask jec, helicopters will not be deployed and attendants are not standing by
[18:46] <aFeijo> vmware tools worked fine until I upgraded to ubuntu 16.04
[18:46] <tgm4883> Well this is all starting to get way out of the support realm, but sure, here we go. There's nothing inheritedly insecure with using 12.04 and PHP5.3 since security fixes are being backported. You can see what security fixes have happened for a release by subscribing/browsing the USN. For example, here are 25 security fixes that happened to PHP this month
[18:46] <tgm4883> for 12.04 http://www.ubuntu.com/usn/usn-3045-1/
[18:46] <jec> OK, thanks...I have Ubuntu Mate installed and i'm irritated because caja looks like something from the 80's
[18:46] <derwood2> Just searching for anyone that would be willing to help me out here, I'm willing to offer £10GBP per hour until it's fixed as well, while making a donation to th ubuntu community too :D
[18:46] <ikonia> derwood2: just ask the question
[18:46] <ikonia> don't need money - but do need the question
[18:47] <jec> how can I get caja to match the theme??
[18:47] <sypher> subsume: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/php5.html
[18:47] <subsume> derwood2: i read your question and quite frankly it doesn't sound like anything specific anyone could help you with. if you are looking for consultants i guess that's another matter, i hope someone replies
[18:47] <bigpic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/22209105/
[18:47] <ikonia> bigpic: what is that the output of
[18:48] <bigpic> storage2
[18:48] <bigpic> root@db2:/# ls -la storage2 | pastebinit
[18:48] <subsume> sypher: yeah i can't really imagine php (of all languages) is something you'd want out of date for long
[18:48] <ikonia> bigpic: why is there no mysql directory there
[18:48] <bigpic> mysqld —initialize creates the directory
[18:48] <bigpic> If fact it will bomb if the directory already exists
[18:48] <bigpic> that is specifically the issue
[18:49] <bigpic> it’s complaining that there’s a perms problem creating the directory when there’s clearly no perms issue
[18:49] <ikonia> why are you doing initialize
[18:49] <subsume> tgm4883: what does "inherently insecure" mean?
[18:49] <ikonia> it's going to be apparmor
[18:49] <ikonia> is this an ubuntu server install
[18:49] <bigpic> yes
[18:49] <ikonia> so it will be apparmour blocking you
 & <subsume> Cheers for the help, I'm just following what the ubuntu pages list and what works with one install down not work in the other and vice versa. Someone must have a complete running setup of either 14.4 or 16.4 LTS with OpenStack, Autopilot and Juju, surely :(
[18:49] <bigpic> gay
[18:50] <tgm4883> subsume: it's not just insecure because it's old.
[18:50] <ikonia> derwood2: what is the actual question
[18:50] <subsume> tgm4883: but exploits are a factor that is in motion and changing every day, how can you really claim that?
[18:50] <bigpic> really
[18:50] <bigpic> the dir /storage is a dedicated raid disk
[18:51] <tgm4883> subsume: if that's your stance, then PHP7 in xenial is insecure
[18:51] <yellabs-r2> hello
[18:51] <yellabs-r2> when i use zenity it spits out an error, Gtk-Message: GtkDialog mapped without a transient parent. This is discouraged.
[18:51] <subsume> tgm4883: yes, but inherently more secure than 5.3 on exactly the basis that it is not as old
[18:51] <yellabs-r2> any tips are welcome
[18:52] <subsume> tgm4883: (to say nothing of introduced exploits which is a whole other beast)
[18:52] <tgm4883> subsume: that is based on the assumption that security fixes aren't backported to older versions, which is false
[18:52] <yellabs-r2> zenity --info , normal use
[18:52] <subsume> tgm4883: some seem to be but not all
 Firstly installing 14.4LTS server and then installing maas 1.9 goes okay and it seems OpenStack is installed correctly and I assume Juju, but I cannot find a single node, I can also eneter a valid SSH key too but cannot add more API keys.. Now verses 16.4LTS, I can find all nodes without any hassle what-so-ever but Openstack never works and I cannot find out about Juju either from there.. I also cannot add another SSH key b
[18:52] <Symmetria> yay, bind seems to be rebuilding properly, hopefully after the compile tiem tweaks Ive added it will be able to handle my load otherwise its time to find a new dns server for my recursives
[18:53] <Symmetria> bind dies, horribly, once you hit serious load
[18:53] <fungo> Hi
[18:53] <ikonia> derwood2: so that is going to take time to work through, as that is not a two minute setup
So the parts that worked in either of the fresh installs, do not work in the other, if I got all the parts that did work and had them all inside one install, everything would be working fine. thanks for taking the time too :D
[18:54] <ikonia> derwood2: I'll ask the obvious stuff - what do th elogs for each app and the genric syslog show
Ideally I would like 16.4LTS with MaaS 2.0, OpenStack, Juju and Autopilot, how about if I do a complete fresh install and I could show you whatever logs you wish.. But I'm not sure if OpenStack and Juju even work with 16.4LTS proper.
[18:56] <ikonia> openstack and juju should
 I also have the provided .ISO files burned from ubuntu for both 14.4LTS and 16.4LTS that they offer out, could there be anywhere that maybe their is some kind of updated .iso files that are not present on offer? Just curious there really.
[18:58] <ikonia> derwood2: don't need anythig update
[18:59] <derwood2> okie :D
[18:59] <ikonia> install 16.04 - deal with one component at a time and work it through
[18:59] <OiPenguin> Is anyone able to help? I've got major problems after reinnstalling Ubuntu on a HP Spectre XT. During install is gives me this error: "grub-efi-amd64-signed package failed to install into / target/. Without the GRUB boot loader the installed system will no boot." Which indeed is true.
[18:59] <tables> how do i make a package request?
[18:59] <OiPenguin> I've tried boot-repair, altering settings in bios etc. All to no avail :-(
[18:59] <aFeijo> hello friends. I have a problem with my vmware workstation 12. I'm running Ubuntu as guest, I installed the vmware tools many times from diferent ways like I found on ubuntu forums but no joy! The screen wont autofit, nor copy/paste or drag files works!!! :(
You don't mind if I hang around and get cracking installing a fresh 16.4LTS ubuntu server install and ask some questions in a while do you :D
[19:00] <ikonia> derwood2: I'll be in and out
[19:00] <ppf> i'm sharing my cups printers via samba. any idea how to configure the windows machines to use a proper samba username?
[19:00] <ikonia> there are good people in here who will also help you
[19:00] <ppf> or, more appropriately, how to make samba force it to?
 Thanks very much :D Lovely to meet you btw :D
[19:02] <tatertots> OiPenguin specifically which BIOS settings did you alter? and what state are those settings in right now?
[19:02] <mike-zal> OiPenguin, you need to enable copy/paste in VB settings. also you need to add your user to vbox group, then it will work (reboot VB before changing settings)
[19:03] <jnewt> ok, tried to install 16.04 in virtualbox, got scrambled screen.  tried running live, same thing.  tried lubuntu 16.04, same thing on both computer and virtualbox.  what's the deal here?
[19:04] <ppf> maybe your image is broken?
[19:04] <ppf> checked the checksums?
[19:04] <mike-zal> some driver issue probably
[19:04] <mike-zal> or that, corrupted iso file
[19:04] <OiPenguin> tatertots: My settings are according to this instructions:
[19:04] <tatertots> bad iso file
[19:04] <OiPenguin> tatertots: n FAT32 EFI system partition
[19:04] <jnewt> runs fine on my work laptop (live).
[19:04] <OiPenguin> tatertots: http://www.gdargaud.net/Hack/SpectreXT.html
[19:05] <mike-zal> have to reboot, brb
[19:05] <test_> hi
[19:05] <OiPenguin> mike-zal: How do I enable copy/paste in VB (what is VB?) settings?
[19:05] <jnewt> ppf: it runs on my work laptop.  it should run on either my computer or virtualbox, right?
[19:06] <ppf> not if, e.g., your graphics card is broken
[19:07] <jnewt> ppf: on the desktop i'm running virtualbox, i have a brand new nvidia quadro graphics card.  i have no idea what's on the other little thing.  the dell laptop is an nvidia quadro as well (although a bit older)
[19:11] <jnewt> ok, lubuntu seems to be thinking about installing now.  not my first choice, but whatever.
[19:12] <OiPenguin> tatertots: I've also made a small fat32-partition with a live usb-stick and gpartede. Still not able to install.
[19:15] <Luka00> Hello people what is this error: Ubuntu has experienced an internal error.ExecutablePath /usr/lib/evolution/evolution-calendar-factory...
[19:15] <Luka00> ...
[19:16] <Luka00> It appeared just started my laptop
[19:17] <jnewt> nope, won't install ("an error was returned while trying to install the kernel into the target system. Kernel package: 'linux-generic'.  ugh.
[19:22] <tamarin> I have "auto wlan0" and "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" but when I ifdown/up or reboot I don't get an ipv4 address.  Any hints?
[19:23] <ioria> tamarin, where do you have it ? /etc/network/interfaces ?
[19:24] <tamarin> ioria: Yea.  Both of those settings are in /etc/network/interfaces
[19:24] <ioria> tamarin,  can you paste   ip a
[19:25] <tamarin> https://bpaste.net/show/e0fa091da98d that's what it looks like (with ssid and psk cut out).  I can "dhclient wlan0" and it works fine, but I need it to come up with an ipv4 address on-boot.
[19:26] <ioria> tamarin,  that's not ip a
[19:26] <tamarin> oh, I misunderstand.
[19:26] <tamarin> ioria: https://bpaste.net/show/7e9e68843dd3
[19:27] <robbbbb> js
[19:27] <robbbbb> oops
[19:28] <ioria> tamarin,  ever worked that setting ?
[19:28] <tamarin> ioria: Not automatically.  I always have to "dhclient wlan0" manually.
[19:29] <ioria> tamarin,  have you tried using wpa_supplicant ?
[19:29] <ioria> tamarin,  pre-up wpa_supplicant -iwlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf -B   ( int interfaces file, i mean)
[19:30] <badweather1> Hello, I'm having an issue with mounting a smb share. I just get "d????????? ? ? ? ?            ? " where all the permissions should be listed. It's guest enabled share. and I can access it fine for windows.
[19:30] <ioria> tamarin,  inside wpa_supplicant.conf you set ssid and psk
[19:31] <tamarin> ioria: I didn't.
[19:32] <ioria> tamarin,  wpa_supplicant.conf  is like that : network={ssid="  name "  psk="password " key_mgmt=WPA-PSK  proto=WPA }
[19:32] <badweather1> I recently added "unix extensions = no", "follow symlinks = yes", and "wide links = yes" to the host machine's config, as I have a symlinked folder within there that need to be accessed
[19:33] <badweather1> This allowed windows to see the symlink folder, but my fstab mount on another linux machine cannot access the share anymore
[19:36] <finn_gk> Hello. It seems, there is no package "mingw32" in Xenial.
[19:37] <OerHeks> !find mingw32
[19:37] <tamarin> ioria: I should add the same settings to wpa_supplicant?  I thought the wpa-ssid, etc in interfaces was the same.
[19:38] <finn_gk> That is the last one: http://packages.ubuntu.com/de/trusty/mingw32
[19:39] <ioria> tamarin,  comment them in interfaces and add them in wpa_supplicant.conf ... in interfaces add the pre-up line
[19:40] <ioria> !info binutils-mingw-w64-i686
[19:42] <ioria> !info  mingw-w64 | finn_gk
[19:45] <finn_gk> Ok, I will try it.
[19:56] <n-iCe> hi
[19:57] <n-iCe> did not like the bar at the bottom
[20:03] <sarek> im following this gude to enable WoL https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=234588&p=1369043#post1369043 and i got insserv: warning: script 'wakeonlanconfig' missing LSB tags and overrides when doing update-rc.d -f wakeonlanconfig defaults
[20:03] <hispeed_m> Hi, Ubuntu 16.04 -> I want to mount a persistent network folder: mount -o username=XXXX,password=XXXXX //<IP_ADDRESS>/SHARENAME /Music/Titan Musik
[20:03] <hispeed_m> i always get: for more details see mount (8) ????
[20:03] <sarek> .np
[20:03] <sarek> woops
[20:03] <hispeed_m> Mate Desktop enviroment 1.12.1
[20:04] <csst0111> I have updated from 12.04 to 14.04 but now i'm on a login loop. I googled and have found that i need to reinstall lightdm, i tried it but didnt help. Any other options ?
[20:04] <J4nus> uninsatll with a purge & then reinstall ?
[20:05] <J4nus> or install gdm
[20:05] <csst0111> yes thats what i did
[20:05] <csst0111> i havent tried gdm - let me give it a try
[20:11] <csst0111> J4nus, with gdm all I get is black screen. I cant press anything.
[20:12] <xcyclist> Must be administrative priv.
[20:12] <csst0111> and i think it flashes too - like it changes from one black screen to another
[20:12] <mikatone> hi is there any proper tutorial on how to install DNS for local requests and DHC ?
[20:12] <mikatone> DHCP
[20:12] <mikatone> Ubuntu 14.04
[20:13] <bubassalto> hello
[20:13] <bubassalto> is there anybody in there?
[20:13] <tgm4883> mikatone: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/
[20:14] <csst0111> cant open any terminal login too now : ctrl+alt+number displays login for a sec and then its being substitued by another black screen
[20:18] <anubiss> hi
[20:20] <Joel>  I seem to have done something so my grep is no longer returning the file it found a match in. 'alias' shows "alias grep='grep --color=auto'", I'm calling "grep -ri foo_bar *" thoughts on what else I could check? O.o
[20:25] <paul0897> hi
[20:27] <TurboKraken> !virtual
[20:27] <loganrun> do I did a distribution upgrade now my system boots in read only mode...if I do a remote in rw mode it come up, but I don't know how to fix it
[20:27] <TurboKraken> !virtualization
[20:27] <anubiss> hi
[20:28] <TurboKraken> I have been trying to track down a linux equivalent to window's disk2vhd.  Would anyone have any recommendations?
[20:28] <csst0111> So how do i switch back to lightdm since I have a problem with gdm and I can't even open a terminal ?
[20:28] <loganrun> anybody know how to fix ubuntu booting in read only mode
[20:29] <TurboKraken> !kvm
[20:32] <chaos_> hi all
[20:34] <tgm4883> TurboKraken: what is disk2vhd?
[20:36] <finn_gk> i686-w64-mingw32-gcc (version 5.3.1) lacks CMPLX from C11 complex.h, but gcc (version 5.3.1) supports it. It is not found in complex.h of mingw.
[20:36] <chaos_> http://download.cnet.com/Disk2vhd/3000-2094_4-10971796.html
[20:39] <tgm4883> TurboKraken: dd comes to mind, although there also seems to be various p2v applications for converting a physical machine to kvm
[20:39] <tgm4883> Personally I'd setup new virtual machines and migrate the services over
[20:40] <yvear> anyone know if there is progress on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dolphin/+bug/1505014 ?
[20:44] <finn_gk> I will inform the author about CMPLX.
[20:45] <stanton> i am trying to compile the Doom 3 source code in ubuntu 16.04 i keep getting errors with zlib png jpeg-6 glew idlib (no such file or directory)  c++: error: 3/neo/libs/zlib: No such file or directory   looks like that
[20:46] <MonkeyDust> stanton  better ask in #ubuntu-app-devel
[20:47] <stanton> MonkeyDust: thanks
[20:49] <drapslaget_> identify drapslaget Ze6shaih
[20:52] <loganrun> I can't boot my system after an upgrade. it gives some message about 144.3 GiB trimmed and just boots in read only mode. if I do a mount of the root in rw mode it will come up, but I want to fix it so I don't have to do this every time
[20:52] <loganrun> does anyone have any idea how to fix this
[20:53] <dax> drapslaget_: time to change your nickserv password
[20:53] <dax> (assuming you didn't already, /msg nickserv help set password)
[20:53] <multifractal> My laptop (sometimes not always) hangs during startup at a stage called "Starting ACPI daemon" or something similar. What gives? 14.04.
[20:53] <loganrun> join #linux
[20:55] <MonkeyDust> !info acpi | multifractal
[20:58] <loganrun> my file system is booting read only is there any way to fix this
[20:58] <drapslaget_> NickServ
[21:01] <TurboKraken> tgm4883: The HDD is 500gb but only 70gb worth the data. DD wants to make an equivalent 500gb. T_T
[21:06] <mikatone> any proper tutorial for dnsmaq I think bind is too complicated for a simple network with a few computers
[21:08] <djg79> Hi
[21:08] <djg79> im looking for some help with vpn and ssh
[21:10] <Bassem> how to know free disk space for my system
[21:11] <beantaxi> Hi all. Just upgraded from 14.04 LTS to 16.04 LTS on my workstation. My second monitor is behaving erratically. I'm not sure how to troubleshoot, other than the Display app.
[21:11] <nacc> Bassem: `df -h` ?
[21:12] <tatertots> beantaxi is your gpu from the green team nvidia or from the red team amd? or maybe even intel integrated ?
[21:12] <Bassem> nacc, ther's alot of things which one
[21:13] <tatertots> pastbin the output Bassem
[21:14] <beantaxi> tatertots: lspci | grep VGA tells me it is AMD
[21:15] <qqqqqs> list *syria*
[21:16] <loganrun> can anyone help my ubuntu system will not boot up correctly now after a system upgrade. I tried boot fix program that reinstalled grub that still didn't fix it. Basically it mounts the root file system read only for some reason and come up with command prompt
[21:16] <loganrun> is there an error log or anything
[21:17] <k1l> loganrun: /var/log/syslog
[21:17] <Fuzzyma> Why does installing a kernel consumes so much of discspace?
[21:17] <k1l> Fuzzyma: because there is a lot of code in the kernel to make all sort of stuff work
[21:17] <Fuzzyma> 400MB big stuff?
[21:19] <loganrun> how do I disable the gui during boot so I can see what is going on
[21:19] <k1l> 400mb for one kernel?
[21:19] <loganrun> or not going on
[21:19] <Bassem> tatertots, http://paste.ubuntu.com/22228567/
[21:19] <k1l> loganrun: remove "quiet splash" from the kernel boot line
[21:19] <Fuzzyma> i go sudo apt-get install linux-generic-lts-xenial and its telling me that 400MB of diskspace will be consumed
[21:19] <loganrun> tastey
[21:20] <k1l> Fuzzyma: that might pull in some other metapackages
[21:21] <Fuzzyma> k1l is there a better way to install the kernel than apt-get?
[21:21] <tatertots> Bassem you have 403GB of space left  46% used
[21:22] <k1l> Fuzzyma: no
[21:22] <loganrun> k1l, any idea wher ethat is
[21:22] <klystron> hi how can you change the default video setting in Virtual Box when running a linux dstro?
[21:22] <Bassem> tatertots, can't be thats not my system driver
[21:23] <k1l> Fuzzyma: the kernel in general is made to support all kind of hardware. you dont have all that kind of hardware but other people might have that. if you want to shrink down the kernel size you will need to compile your own kernel and strip out the stuff you dont need.
[21:23] <Fuzzyma> k1l ok thx
[21:23] <loganrun> k1l, think I found it
[21:24] <tatertots> Bassem pastebin output of 'lsblk'
[21:25] <Bassem> tatertots, http://paste.ubuntu.com/22229217/
[21:27] <tatertots> Bassem are you low on space in for your home directories?
[21:27] <tatertots> was 60GB not as much as you thought it'd be?
[21:28] <loganrun> k1l, how can I see the log that is printed during boot
[21:29] <loganrun> k1l, it shows some things failed to start but I don't remember what they were
[21:29] <k1l> loganrun: its in /var/log/dmesg
[21:29] <k1l> loganrun: or look at /var/log/syslog
[21:30] <loganrun> don't see the errors in either of those logs
[21:33] <Bassem> tatertots, how can i know if im low in space or not
[21:34] <k1l> Bassem: look at systemmonitor, or "df -h" in terminal
[21:34] <k1l> Bassem: what is your actual issue?
[21:35] <Bassem> k1l, want to install windows 10 on virtual machine and wonder if there's enugh space
[21:35] <beantaxi> Any thoughts, on how to begin troubleshooting a 2nd monitor issue, after 14.04->16.04 upgrade?
[21:35] <tatertots> Bassem in your pastbin http://paste.ubuntu.com/22228567/ there's coloms for amounts used/available
[21:35] <Luka00> Hello people on Skype I can send files but I do not see filese send to me why?
[21:36] <k1l> Bassem: you showed some pasted of df already. did you look at it?
[21:36] <carlo_> Hola
[21:36] <klystron> any Virtual Box experts?
[21:36] <k1l> beantaxi: look if there is a video driver issue
[21:36] <Bassem> yes saya at home 54g avilavble but i dedicate 100 gb partition for ubuntu
[21:37] <tatertots> Bassem here is your 'lsblk' pastbin http://paste.ubuntu.com/22229217/
[21:37] <k1l> Bassem: yes, and that is seperated in 3 partiitons: /, /home and swap. look at the other pastes you showed us
[21:37] <Luka00> which may be the problem the firewall?
[21:38] <beantaxi> k1l: How do I look if there is a video driver issue
[21:38] <Bassem> k1l, it;s 84 gb where is the rest
[21:38] <k1l> Bassem: seems like some lvm overhead
[21:39] <k1l> beantaxi: dmesg, syslog, xorg.log
[21:39] <mikatone> can't put bind to work getting https://gist.github.com/fccpt/2dfd97a41b4cda12fad644ba2dda869a
[21:39] <k1l> beantaxi: what is the issue at all?
[21:42] <Luka00> Hello people on Skype I can send files but I do not see filese send to me why?
[21:42] <Luka00> it is so strange
[21:43] <beantaxi> kil: primary monitor seems ok. Secondary monitor is not. At best, I can get it to display windows, which do not redraw properly; instead they leave 'trails'
[21:44] <beantaxi> k1l: dmseg -> http://pastebin.com/Fs1nHZ3P
[21:45] <doonie> Hi all, just did a do-release-upgrade on server3 which was successful but partly failed on this part http://paste.ubuntu.com/22231607/ while the other 2 servers were fine, any input on how to resolve the dependancy issue?
[21:46] <beantaxi> k1l: Similar issues in syslog. I don't have xorg.log
[21:46] <k1l> doonie: "apt-cache policy python3" in a pastebin
[21:47] <doonie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/22231875/
[21:47] <k1l> beantaxi: since 16.04 there is no fglrx anymore.
[21:48] <k1l> doonie: sudo apt update && sudo apt-get -f install
[21:49] <k1l> doonie: actually it seems like python3-minimal is the issue here. "sudo apt install python3-minimal" and see why its not installing
[21:50] <doonie> yea its the only one stuck on 3.4, one sec
[21:50] <doonie> python3-minimal is already the newest version.
[21:50] <k1l> apt-cache policy python3-minimal
[21:50] <doonie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/22232300/
[21:51] <doonie> I would say its the python3 (depends on 3.4 and not > 3.4)  python3 : Depends: python3-minimal (= 3.4.0-0ubuntu2) but 3.5.1-3 is to be installed
[21:51] <k1l> doonie: hmm, could be that your mirror got wrong depencies for the one file then
[21:52] <doonie> indeed, any way to force this?
[21:52] <k1l> apt-get install -f
[21:52] <k1l> you could manually remove the apt lists cache, too
[21:53] <ilukis> Hello!
[21:53] <doonie> ooo tell me more of the removal, I just checked the other 2 servers which went fine. same mirrors used, policies are same
[21:54] <derwood2> Heya folks, this is what I have been doing for the last few hours to get MaaS 2.0 up and running on 16.4.1? LTS, using four machines, all of which are the same apart from the server/controller/rack region controller having double the RAM of the nodes, this could do with some work, spellinga and grammar, but it's quick and dirty, and works.. https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2332842
[21:54] <csst0111> im still not able to login to 14.04, I have even connected ethernet cable but i dont have network at all.
[21:54] <k1l> doonie: "sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/*"
[21:54] <k1l> doonie: after that "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade"
[21:54] <derwood2> Now I need to find a way to install, Autopilot, OpenStack and Juju without any issues :D
[21:55] <doonie> ty k1l, same error with full-upgrade
[21:55] <k1l> doonie: after the rm?
[21:55] <doonie> probably mirror problem
[21:55] <doonie> yes after rm & update
[21:59] <tatertots> i did a small back and restore job with deja dup, it's nifty
[21:59] <k1l> doonie: sudo apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-depends" install python3
[22:00] <Bassem> how can i add the extra 20 gb to home partition?
[22:01] <kenrin> Is your home partition LVM?
[22:02] <doonie> same k1l http://paste.ubuntu.com/22233635/
[22:02] <k1l> doonie: hmm, did you have a ppa or third party repo that changed the python packages?
[22:03] <doonie> could be, server is pretty old, pip could have changed something as well
[22:03] <doonie> or something with a custom env
[22:03] <jac76> Bassem: is there a particular directory in "home" that is taking up a lot of space?
[22:03] <beantaxi> k1l: Reading ... so it looks like there are open source drivers available. I guess I just need to make sure to use one of them?
[22:04] <derwood2> Has anyone here ever installed "Autopilot", "OpenStack", "Juju" on 16.4LTS?
[22:04] <doonie> I tried to cheat the installer http://paste.ubuntu.com/22233883/ somewhat closer :)
[22:04] <k1l> beantaxi: they are in use automatically. but depending on your exact card that might not be the same experience as with fglrx before.
[22:04] <Bassem> jac76, i dedicate 100 gb partition for ubuntu there's 3 / and swap and home 20, 4, 60
[22:05] <beantaxi> k1l: So I might just be SOL, unless I want to get a new graphics card
[22:05] <doonie> should probably reboot server, but scared it wont come back :D
[22:05] <klystron> can any one help with a virtual box question?
[22:05] <k1l> doonie: 6 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 582 not upgraded.
[22:05] <k1l> doonie: still a lot missing
[22:05] <doonie> oh missed that one, yea thats ba
[22:05] <doonie> bad* could break the boot
[22:05] <jac76> Bassem: you left 15G unused?
[22:06] <doonie> yea not even the new kernel is there. so need to sort this out for sure
[22:06] <Bassem> jac76, the person how help me install ubutnu told me we can add it later easily
[22:06] <derwood2> 15Gb is for his p4on dude :d
[22:07] <k1l> beantaxi: i am not an amd specialists. but amd is now cotributing to the amd_gpu driver which is based on the radeon and should replace the fglrx now.
[22:07] <jac76> In the old unix days, if a filesystem was full, we would find the directory with the most files in it and make a mount point of it.
[22:08] <doonie> k1l:  maybe if I add an official mirror to help with the logics =)
[22:08] <jac76> Bassem: to that mount point we could mount another partition of any size
[22:09] <Bassem> jac76, i want to add it to home...but can you help me check if it exist
[22:10] <doonie> nope same hmm
[22:10] <mikatone> need help with bind please :/
[22:10] <jac76> If you go to /home and do an "ls" how many directories to you see, just you?
[22:11] <doonie> not to mention that apt update seems sick :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/22234754/
[22:11] <Bassem> jac76, you talking to me?
[22:11] <jac76> yes
[22:11] <NisamRobot> is google chrome in repo?
[22:12] <jac76> Bassem: how many directories do you see in /home
[22:12] <Bassem> jac76, in terminal?
[22:12] <jac76> Bassem, yes, in a terminal
[22:12] <Bashing-om> NisamRobot: No, google-chrome is proprietary .
[22:12] <k1l> NisamRobot: no. load the .deb from their webpage and install that. only chromium is in the repo
[22:13] <jac76> bassem: open a terminal, "cd /home" and "ls"
[22:13] <Bassem> jac76, bs  lost+found
[22:13] <k1l> Bassem: use baobab as program to see what uses the space in your home
[22:13] <nevil> hello
[22:13] <jac76> Bassem: and "bs" is you ?
[22:13] <Bassem> jac76, yes
[22:13] <nevil> is anyone alive in here?
[22:13] <IamRobot> ok any good light weigth browser i thinked midori but all people talk only shit about it
[22:13] <jac76> now do a "du -s"
[22:13] <daumie> I wanna rice ubuntu
[22:14] <jac76> bassem: now do a "du -s"
[22:14] <derwood2> I have also found that if sometimes, your node does not fully start, it does a partial "thing" where it can fetch the data required through a PXE boot and then like hang for ages..., reboot the node and switch it's UTP patch cable from one port to another empty one and it fires up proper first time... I think it's cheap switches, mines from TPLinnk and it still does it..
[22:14] <jac76> bassem:  "du" stands for "disk usage" and the "-s" means summary
[22:15] <Bassem> jac76, du: cannot read directory './bs/.cache/dconf': Permission denied
[22:15] <nevil> What is aux is ps aux?
[22:15] <derwood2> Can anyone point me in the right direction of going about installing "autopilot" on Ubuntu 16.4.1LTS with Maas2.0 installed, please :D
[22:15] <jac76> bassem: yep, that won't stop it
[22:15] <Bashing-om> doonie: What in the world do you have for sources ? Pastebin ' cat -n /etc/apt/sources.list ; tail -v -n +1 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* ' See what apt is so unhappy about .
[22:15] <nacc> nevil: read `man ps`, those are all arguments to `ps`
[22:15] <Bassem> jac76, ?
[22:16] <nacc> derwood2: you may want to ask in #ubuntu-server
[22:16] <mikatone> anyone?
[22:16] <jac76> bassem: this should return to you a number that equals the sapce you are using
[22:16] <Bassem> jac76, 2015892
 Cheers buddy, Really sorry, I did not even know another page for that type of install or a place to ask questions on this level evem existed.. Sorry :D
[22:18] <jac76> bassem: that states that there are only 2GB in use
[22:18] <Bassem> jac76, so
[22:18] <beantaxi> k1l: Thank you very much for the information.
[22:19] <jac76> Bassem:  Let me ask the question a different way, where are you going to get the extra space from?
[22:19] <nevil> I cant believe there is people in here answering questions. Awesome! Why do you guys do it? To be nice, for fun, cash/
[22:19] <nevil> ?
[22:19] <nacc> derwood2: nothing to apologize for! you will just find more topical help there, probably
[22:19] <k1l> nevil: its all volunteers in here. no paid people, just community.
[22:20] <nevil> Pretty sweet! Thanks again!
 yep... Probably, sounds like the right phrase :D Cheers buddy :D
[22:20] <ots> Hi, I already have a partition scheme on my computer where the rootfs and home directories are in two separate BTRFS subvolumes on two different drives. Is it possible to install ubuntu in the same manner, so it doesn't ruin my setup? :P
[22:21] <Bassem> jac76, i think you didn't get me well..let me explain again....i dedicate 100 gb partition for ubuntu..the guy who help me install it..make 4 g for swap 20 gb for root and 60 gb for home...left 16 gb unused
[22:22] <Bassem> jac76, i want to mount those unused 16 gb to home
[22:22] <Bassem> jac76, http://paste.ubuntu.com/22236082/
[22:24] <hermann> hi
[22:24] <tatertots> Bassem you want to extend the 'logical volume' ?
[22:24] <apina> hi
[22:24] <Bassem> tatertots, i think yes
[22:24] <jac76> bassem: if you know how to use a disk partition program and those extra 16GB are right next to the /home partition, it's possible to extend the partition to include that extra 16GB of space.  But partition tools have the ability to destroy things as well.
[22:25] <Bashing-om> !lvm
[22:26] <Bashing-om> Bassem: ^^ .. LVM at play here .. a whole now ball of wax .
[22:26] <jac76> bassem:  So the typical solution is to mount up that 16GB of disk somewhere else.  The place where you mount that disk could be in the /home directory tree, it in effect becomes part of /home.
[22:26] <tatertots> Bassem there's a decent write up on LVM here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuDesktopLVM
[22:27] <tatertots> keep your goal in mind ..'you want to extend' it
[22:28] <jac76> Bassem:  Or you could mount that 16GB to /home2 and then in the /home directory tree you make "soft-links" from /home/* to /home2/*, again effectively incressing the size of /home.
[22:29] <tatertots> Bassem you mentioned someone that installed the system/sys admin said they left 15GB or so that could 'easily' be added in the future, you might want to pick up the phone and buzz said person and say "i'm ready for that 15GB now" lol
[22:29] <Bassem> jac76, how can i extiend my logical volume
[22:30] <Bassem> tatertots, he was here he help me to install ubuntu for the first time
[22:30] <jac76> Bassem" "logical volumes" is another can of worms, as tatertots states, you would want to start by reading up on LVM
[22:30] <Bassem> tatertots, and when i told him why to mount only 60 gb for home he said we can extend it easily later
[22:30] <tatertots> you'll use the vgextend command but you got some more homework/research to do before you even get to that step
[22:31] <Bassem> jac76, how can i check if it's logical or not
[22:31] <Bassem> because as logical volume it's 100 gb
[22:31] <tatertots> it is Bassem
[22:31] <tatertots> look at your pastbins bro
[22:31] <Bassem> tatertots, , http://paste.ubuntu.com/22236082/
[22:32] <Bassem> sda2              8:2    0   100G  0 part
[22:32] <tatertots> 'lvm'
[22:32] <Bassem> see sda2 is 100 gb
[22:32] <Bassem> but i only use 84 gb
[22:32] <Bassem> where is the rest
[22:33] <jac76> bassem: Ah... well, LVM stands for "Logical Volume Manager" and if you have that software installed there will be several commands available for you to use for that.  LVM is a "software" version of combining several disks or "volumes" together as a single disk.
[22:33] <vook> is there way to enable vlan functionality in the installer for either ubuntu server or ubuntu desktop live? vconfig just doesn't exist.
[22:34] <Bassem> jac76, so what to do to get my lost 16 gb
[22:34] <jac76> Bassem: Hardware wise, the equivalent is to use a RAID controller of some type.  Perhaps a storage array, and so on.
[22:34] <tatertots> you are looking at the partition Bassem
[22:34] <oats> Hi, I already have a partition scheme on my computer where the rootfs and home directories are in two separate BTRFS subvolumes on two different drives. Is it possible to install ubuntu in the same manner, so it doesn't ruin my setup? :P
[22:35] <Bassem> tatertots, what do you mean
[22:35] <doonie> any more pointers? ftp service is down :/  is it possible to download the dpkg with apt and then manually install? might be able to get around some checks maybe?
[22:36] <tatertots> Bassem do you need more disk space on your computer? yes/no
[22:36] <jac76> Bassem:  If that person who set up your system stated /home could be extended later, then more than likely they are beside each other on the disk, you just need to use a partition manager of some type to expand the /home partition into that 16GB area.  Easily done if you know what your doing.  But if you don't know what your doing its easy for a partition manager to be used to totally mess up a disk.
[22:37] <aash> how could i install a vpn..an help
[22:38] <tatertots> aash vpn client or vpn server?
[22:38] <tatertots> you have to mean server right?
[22:39] <aash> client
[22:39] <aash> on my laptop
[22:40] <csst0111> Can i format root, install ubuntu or some other linux distro and use previous home  ?
[22:40] <vook> yes
[22:40] <tatertots> since you will be using vpn as a client i'll post a link and you should already have been given information to connect from the vpn authorities/admins
[22:40] <tatertots> https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/ubuntu-help/net-vpn-connect.html
[22:40] <vook> csst0111: you'll just need to chown it after install & some of your GUI settings may need to be adjusted
[22:41] <csst0111> vook, cool thnx!
[22:41] <Bassem> jac76, what partition manager do i need to use?
[22:41] <aash> tetertots:openvpn can i use to install
[22:42] <k1l> doonie: you can get the packages from packages.ubuntu.com and install them with "dpkg -i package.deb"
[22:42] <tatertots> aash here's a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgsU86jdXIc
[22:42] <JFlash> hi, can a good soul help me figure out my connection problems. I can reach a few urls but mostly doent work
[22:42] <doonie> apt-get download seems to help too, but so many weird status messages :)
[22:43] <JFlash> also whatever I try to ping I get "network is unreachable"
[22:43] <JFlash> even if in the browser the same URL does work
[22:43] <lordcirth> Bassem, gparted is good
[22:44] <JFlash> i can reach google.com.. i cannot reach github.com
[22:44] <JFlash> but why?
[22:44] <Sayona> Hi, what is wrong witht his command: find $LOG type -f -mtime +90 -exec rm -f {} \;
[22:44] <jac76> Bassem: "gparted" is one I have become accustom to using.  There are others "disk" is another example
[22:45] <Sayona> find: unknown predicate `-f'
[22:45] <lordcirth> JFlash, are you sure you're not behind a weird firewall?
[22:45] <Bassem> jac76, what is better?
[22:45] <dax> Sayona: change the type -f to -type f
[22:45] <JFlash> well i just back home from work, but I live with others.. can someone have installed a firewall while I was at work?
[22:46] <Sayona> thanks
[22:46] <aash> tatertots: certificate needed.?
[22:46] <JFlash> also, why "network is unreachable" for evrithing on the terminal, including sites that work in the browser?
[22:46] <doonie> k1l:  node ppa seems to have broke a few things, commented it out now to see what can be done to fix it from here, apt-cache has no 3.5 for python3 now
[22:46] <jac76> Bassem: I would recommend you practicing using gparted on a unused external USB disk to get familiar with it and how it works before "experimenting" on your live disk.
[22:46] <doonie> ah nevermind its back
[22:47] <lordcirth> JFlash, check to see if your browser is using a proxy or something?
[22:47] <JFlash> also, when I run the routes -n command I dont have an entry which as a double <IP_ADDRESS> value
[22:47] <tatertots> JFlash what is unreachable in terminal for you ?
[22:47] <tatertots> that you can reach by browser specifically
[22:47]  * Sayona God Bless Linux !
[22:47] <JFlash> i've been reading some posts and they say I must have a double <IP_ADDRESS> in my routes table, whatever that is
[22:48] <doonie> k1l:  does this make sense? http://paste.ubuntu.com/22238938/
[22:48] <jac76> bassem:  I don't know if one partition manager is "better" that the other, but one becomes more "familiar" than the other as you grow accustom to it.
[22:48] <JFlash> everything is unreachable in the terminal
[22:48] <JFlash> some sites works in the browser
[22:48] <brenda_> Hi! Is there any way one can get Firefox or Chromium to play Youtube videos as lean as mpv?
[22:48] <JFlash> even ip addresss give me network unreacheble
[22:49] <k1l> doonie: use "--force-depends" on that dpkg
[22:49] <JFlash> tatertots, google.com, youtube.com.. all work in the browser
[22:49] <JFlash> a few other sites
[22:49] <oats> Hello, I already have Arch Linux installed with a partition scheme where the rootfs and home directories are in two separate BTRFS subvolumes on two different drives. Is it possible to install ubuntu in the same manner, alongside my Arch install?
[22:49] <tatertots> JFlash could it have something to do with the configuration of the network you're on?
[22:49] <doonie> k1l:  that went in, now lets see what we did ;D
[22:50] <tatertots> ok so google com works in browser okay
[22:50] <JFlash> tatertots, excelente question.. works well with my other devices
[22:50] <JFlash> so it's definitely ubuntu
[22:50] <doonie> k1l:  well it started to install other packages but failed, but it seems we're on the right path
[22:51] <JFlash> again, all blog posts I read tell me that I must have a double 0;0;0;0
[22:51] <JFlash> but I dont have one
[22:51] <JFlash> isnt that a really really bad sign?
[22:51] <Bassem> jac76, https://s31.postimg.org/8xd8ph9e3/Screenshot_from_2016_08_05_00_50_52.png
[22:51] <glorias> test
[22:51] <glorias> cant send to channell
[22:52] <Bassem> jac76, it says unused but i can't resize it
[22:52] <bprompt> hm?
[22:52] <Pici> glorias: we see you
[22:52] <glorias> thats depressing
[22:52] <jac76> Don't resize it
[22:52] <tatertots> JFlash what are you reading blog posts about?...do you have a net problem if your web browser functions?
[22:52] <glorias> soß
[22:52] <glorias>  ?
[22:52] <brenda_> oats: just out of curiosity, why dual boot Arch and Ubuntu?
[22:52] <glorias> I listen BB Kin
[22:52] <tatertots> isn't that what you as a end user will spend the bulk of time using
[22:52] <Pici> glorias: do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[22:52] <JFlash> tatertots, as I said in the benning only a few urls work
[22:52] <doonie> k1l:  -f install didn't work, but dist-upgrade is working its way through, -f install probably failed cause of the cleared caches :) ty so far for your help
[22:52] <bprompt> glorias:      we Õ¿Õ you
[22:52] <JFlash> most website do not work
[22:53] <jac76> Bassem: don't resize it.  let me see if I can look at what you posted.
[22:53] <glorias> yes
[22:53] <glorias> Why people hate me?
[22:53] <glorias> machines love me
[22:53] <bprompt> !ot | glorias
[22:53] <k1l> glorias: this is the technical ubuntu support. please keep this channel clear for support
[22:54] <glorias> okay
[22:54] <oats> brenda_: I use arch as my daily driver and have no intention of switching, but I haven't used Ubuntu in a while and I'm curious how it is
[22:54] <glorias> so could u help me with xrandr?
[22:54] <tatertots> JFlash pick a single url and let's troubleshoot it from point A to point B and back to point A, a single url , don't muddy the water with trying to think more than one is realavent
[22:54] <brenda_> Why does Firefox and Chrome on Linux suck playing Youtube videos? Frustration!
[22:54] <glorias> always  I boot mine  3 Screens are mixed!
[22:54] <glorias> and never be plz unpolite
[22:55] <glorias> Im old and slow - sorry
[22:55] <JFlash> tatertots, I'm listening.. havent got any sugestions yet on how to fix this.. :-(
[22:55] <Bassem> jac76, https://s31.postimg.org/kqicrxuaj/Screenshot_from_2016_08_05_00_54_16.png
[22:55] <doonie> brenda_:  probably cause of bad gfx drivers
[22:55] <Ron___> Good day.  I am using VMWare Fusion 8 and trying to create a 16.04.1 server image.  All goes well, then I install ubuntu-desktop (minus recommendation).  That goes well.  I then log in.  I see the left gui items, but the rest is black.  I am unable to launch anything (like a terminal).  I can click on the "System Settings" and it opens a window but all I see is black and the menu bar to exit.  Any ideas?
[22:55] <glorias> but Im still not sure KDE or GDM
[22:56] <glorias> Im always not sure whom is an ashole
[22:56] <glorias> so thats the reason I get Kicked
[22:56] <glorias> Im unest
[22:56] <k1l> glorias: stop that
[22:56] <brenda_> oats: a Live Ubuntu or virtualbox (or something similar) does not do it for you?
[22:56] <glorias> what kll?
[22:56] <glorias> What is u IQ?
[22:57] <glorias> 42?
[22:57] <tatertots> JFlash if you're reading this chat from the computer in question and it also is the same computer you mentioned above that is able to browse to google and a few other sites, we'l assume your internet is working
[22:58] <JFlash> tatertots, it doesnt matter. here is my problem. I can access all websites in my other devices
[22:58] <JFlash> in unbuntu, i can only access a handful of website
[22:58] <brenda_> donnie: you don't say, mpv play youtube videos 400% less CPU intense - on the same machine
[22:59] <JFlash> this is what I'm trying to fix.. "internet is working " is beside the point
[22:59] <tatertots> what website url can you not access?...maybe there is something prohibiting you from getting to that particular site
[23:00] <doonie> brenda_: as in less on linux vs windows? then its the browser rendering of html5-video
[23:00] <tatertots> JFlash maybe theres a connection limit
[23:00] <jac76> Bassem: In looking at your partition table it looks like you are using 3 primary partitions.  sda1 is the boot partition with 100GB of space.  "sda2" is a "lvm2pv" volume that is 100 GB in space and "sda3" is an ntfs partition with 731GB of space.
[23:01] <jac76> Bassem: Sda2 appears to be a LVM volume
[23:01] <brenda_> doonie, as linux vs linux :) ... same machine, same OS, same driver... browser vs mpv
[23:03] <doonie> brenda_: yea that does make sense, even drives my macs fan up while watching videos through browser sadly
[23:03] <jac76> Bassem:  Sadly I haven't experimented much with LVM.  I use it years ago on a now dead operating system named True64 Unix and that knowledge helps me very little here.  I would have to experiment with it on an external disk.
[23:05] <jac76> Bassem: but what theory I know of LVM would say that with in that one partition there are several LVM "sub-partitions" and one of them is your missing 16GB.
[23:05] <tatertots> Bassem
[23:06] <loganrun> my system only comes up with a read only file system after system upgrade. does anyone know how to fix this
[23:07] <aash> how to secure and web browsing which software need to install, any open source aviailable
[23:07] <aash> o.
[23:08] <brenda_> doonie, I do not understand why they do not fix it. I don't even understand what the problem is. Why is a browser struggling so much while other programs (mpv, kodi, vlc etc) can do it with little effort (on performance)?
[23:08] <doonie> you and me both
[23:08] <tatertots> I'm gone be straight up with ya, someone had to install ubuntu for you, and you're going to extend a logical volume on your running system
[23:09] <doonie> its not like the browser does not have the same permissions to the gpu api's as vlc
[23:09] <Bashing-om> loganrun: Ststem trying to protect is's self ? .. How about a file system check/repair ? What release is this ?
[23:09] <Bashing-om> it's*
[23:09] <loganrun> tried check repair, said it was just check. if I remount it as rw it mounts
[23:09] <aash> tatertots: o/o
[23:10] <tatertots> There's a cool write up on LVM https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuDesktopLVM
[23:10] <brenda_> donnie, I know a lot of people that do not even consider Linux just because the browsers suck at playing videos!
[23:11] <aash> tatertots: any help o/ for private browsing??
[23:11] <doonie> I'm one of them, same for games.. I just read an article today regarding the gfx problem http://www.neowin.net/news/new-report-suggests-operating-system-makers-could-block-pirated-content
[23:11] <borei> hi all
[23:11] <orlock> silly news sites
[23:11] <doonie> reading the comments, people feel the same, noone dislikes linux and what it stands for, it just needs some of those artistic guys in it :)
[23:12] <orlock> lots of things are possible, and unlikely to ever happen - thats one of them
[23:12] <borei> is there way to resize disk for ubuntu image (vm running under kvm) without rebooting ?
[23:12] <borei> image backedup with ceph storage
[23:12] <borei> ceph image resized
[23:13] <borei> but i don't see option to force VM to detect changes
[23:13] <doonie> orlock: true, it's all about the money
[23:13] <brenda_> doonie, I'm not a big gamer but I have hear similar things about Linux and games
[23:13] <loganrun> also how do I start the graphical login manager manually
[23:14] <Bashing-om> loganrun: Again, depends on the release ( upsatrt or systemd as the initiate system ) .
[23:15] <Zerofysh> Hello Ubuntu world
[23:15] <brenda_> doonie, and it's a shame you know.. youtubers and gamers, many people are excluded from the Linux family!
[23:15] <brenda_> Hi Zerofysh
[23:15] <doonie> well depends, you can still watch it at 400% cpu ;D
[23:15] <loganrun> 16.04
[23:17] <loganrun> Bashing-om, those commands don't seem to do anything is there a special command to start them on 16.04
[23:17] <brenda_> doonie, hahaha... but seriously, I can live with it on my desktop, but having a sucking browser eating my notebooks battery in no time is not that fun!
[23:18] <loganrun> ahh looks like it is lightdm
[23:18] <Zerofysh> Just got the new Ubuntu and well, I have so much to learn.
[23:18] <Bashing-om> loganrun: Sirry, ya lost me .. " those commands don't seem to do anything ". What commands ?
[23:18] <blocky> hi, i'm running 15.10 and i allowed the update manager to install updates this morning, then rebooted and was greeted with: invalid video mode specification 'text'
[23:19] <blocky> can boot into recovery mode but not sure what the problem is or how to fix
[23:19] <brenda_> loganrun, xfce?
[23:19] <blocky> have already tried running update-grub
[23:20] <poopBot> anyone know why stema wont run
[23:20] <poopBot> libGL error: unable to load driver: r600_dri.so
[23:20] <poopBot> i runed on 14.04
[23:20] <Toxtlo> Hi, I got a small SSD (64GB) and want to install Ubuntu. Is a swap partition really needed? Because it would "waste" 16GB of the SSD... :-|
[23:21] <Zerofysh> I am trying to learn python but the new ubuntu does not have it install. How do go about getting it?
[23:21] <poopBot> sudo apt-get install python
[23:21] <poopBot> i think
[23:21] <Ron___> Any suggestions on debug/fix a broken 16.04 server gui using ubuntu-desktop (no recommendations?)  I see the left menu, but windows are blank and I can't open a terminal.
[23:21] <orlock> Toxtlo: no
[23:21] <brenda_> Toxtlo, how much RAM do you have?
[23:21] <hggdh> Zerofysh: python is installed by default on Ubuntu (and most other distros)
[23:22] <orlock> Toxtlo: it will be fine in 95% of cases
[23:22] <Zerofysh> I see. How about getting the 3.5.2 version?
[23:22] <tatertots> poopBot pastbin output of '/usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p'
[23:22] <orlock> Toxtlo: also, you dont need as much swap as you have ram
[23:22] <hggdh> Zerofysh: sudoapt-get install python3
[23:22] <Bashing-om> loganrun: To start lightdm form terminal in 16.04 ' systemctl isolate graphical.target ' . Be aware that ALL other services are not started, it is on you what services to start, such as networking .
[23:22] <hggdh> ugh
[23:22] <Zerofysh> Thank you
[23:22] <hggdh> Zerofysh: sudo apt-get install python3
[23:22] <Toxtlo> got 16GB and have another 8GB lying around here
[23:22] <orlock> Toxtlo: if you did run out of ram at some point, and wanted swap, you could always just use a swap file temporarily
[23:23] <orlock> Toxtlo: rather than having a dedicated partition always there
[23:23] <Zerofysh> Saids I have it. Now I just need a good IDE to learn on.
[23:23] <poopBot> tatertots:  i dont have any file there, anyway on duckduckg it says to remove steam bundled libs and try whitou tthem
[23:24] <Toxtlo> does the installer specify a swap file automatically for my system, when I dont set a swap partition under manual partitioning?
[23:24] <lockhelp> in trusty+unity, how do i disable locking? going to settings > brightness & lock has the Lock button disabled into the ON state.
[23:25] <demetris> i cant reboot my laptop
[23:25] <brenda_> Toxtlo, no, it should not
[23:25] <demetris> only shutdown works
[23:25] <hggdh> Zerofysh: Pycharm is nice, and has a community version -- https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/download/#section=linux
[23:25] <Toxtlo> ok, so swapon should do the trick?
[23:25] <demetris> when i try to reboot it freezes
[23:25] <demetris> fresh xenial install
[23:25] <Zerofysh> Ahh, yeah I forgot about pycharm. Thanks.
[23:25] <demetris> 16.04.1
[23:26] <tatertots> poopBot yeah try that
[23:26] <demetris> anyway to get any logs?
[23:27] <poopBot> tatertots:  i removed only that 1 lib dident work so i removed all libs that come with steam now it runed at least is updating ATM
[23:28] <lockhelp> does xvkbd disable screen lock?
[23:28] <lockhelp> if i send a spacebar or whatever every 9 minutes and 50 seconds
[23:29] <linux> Hi, When I install a package there are other packages will be installed with it, if I remove that package Will other packages which installed with it removed automatically or I need remove them Manually?
[23:29] <demetris> any ubuntu devs here?
[23:29] <poopBot> you have to do after that apt-get autoremove
[23:30] <linux> I'm using Synaptic
[23:30] <poopBot> it removes packages that where leftout if you read terminal it even says it
[23:30] <demetris> any ubuntu devs here?
[23:30] <poopBot> duno if synaptic does it , just open terminal and type sudo apt-get autoremove
[23:31] <demetris> bug reporting time
[23:31] <demetris> http://paste.ubuntu.com/22243524/
[23:31] <poopBot> and it will remove all leaftower packages
[23:32] <B0g4r7> How can I figure out what's using all my memory?  I've closed most all the things, and I still see 11GB of swap consumed.  'free' and 'ps axu' output here: http://pastebin.com/6LkRWY7J
[23:32] <linux> I can't do that without trminal
[23:33] <linux> by GUI Synaptic
[23:33] <poopBot> linux: you probbaly can just i duno how its don in synaptics, duno whatsthe big issue anywya just copy paste comand and press enter
[23:33] <poopBot> tatertots:  nice update installed like more libs same error gain xD
[23:34] <B0g4r7> 294 processes and practically nothing running...
[23:34] <linux> Ok , Thank you poopBot
[23:36] <poopBot> B0g4r7:  if they are idle that dosent mean they arent usinging ram but duno what doing that i dont even have spaw partition and have only 4gbs of ram
[23:37] <demetris> any ubuntu devs here?
[23:37] <nacc> demetris: yes, but depending your question you may want to ask in #ubuntu-devel
[23:37] <demetris> nacc: i have bugs
[23:38] <poopBot> report bug?
[23:38] <nacc> demetris: ok, did you report them?
[23:38] <B0g4r7> Looks like Xorg is consuming 14.2% of memory, however much 14.2% is.  That doesn't seem right.
[23:38] <demetris> [   12.844633] ACPI Warning: SystemIO range 0x0000000000001028-0x000000000000102F conflicts with OpRegion 0x0000000000001000-0x000000000000103B (\_SB_.C002.C003.C085) (20150930/utaddress-254)
[23:38] <demetris> [   12.844644] ACPI: If an ACPI driver is available for this device, you should use it instead of the native driver
[23:38] <nacc> demetris: please don't paste each bug in here, use a pastebin, or file bugs
[23:38] <demetris> laptop freezes when i try to reboot
[23:38] <demetris> sure
[23:39] <nacc> demetris: the above isn't a bug in Ubuntu, it's probably buggy BIOS
[23:39] <poopBot> some driver issue or soemthing
[23:39] <demetris> http://paste.ubuntu.com/22243524/
[23:40] <B0g4r7> Yeah, that sure looks like a kernelspace issue.
[23:41] <demetris> more bugs http://paste.ubuntu.com/22244646/
[23:42] <poopBot> did you try other kernel
[23:42] <demetris> nope
[23:42] <poopBot> meybe try older one
[23:42] <demetris> why/
[23:42] <nacc> demetris: how are you defining bug? just any message reported byt he kernel?
[23:42] <poopBot> downlod 14.04
[23:42] <B0g4r7> bugs?
[23:42] <demetris> poopBot: nope
[23:42] <B0g4r7> What bug is described in the second paste?
[23:43] <B0g4r7> or in the first, for that matter?
[23:43] <poopBot> why, cuz 14.04 will maybe work normal while the issue isent fixed on 16.04, ofc first report it
[23:43] <cablecoder> anyone get kinect drivers working on 16.04?
[23:43] <demetris> nacc: i define bug when i see message as this: [ 2657.470892] ipw2200: Firmware error detected.    No other behavior?
[23:44] <demetris> again
[23:44] <demetris> laptop freezes when i try to reboot
[23:44] <nacc> demetris: you didn't paste any such message
[23:44] <demetris> i have to press power button >4 secs to force shutdown
[23:45] <nacc> demetris: the paste you did provided says stuff about commands timing out for the ipw220 driver
[23:45] <demetris> how i can get a log when laptop freezes?
[23:47] <brenda_> demetris, what OS where you running before you fresh install of 16.04?
[23:47] <demetris> manjaro
[23:47] <demetris> same issue
[23:48] <brenda_> demetris, what laptop is it?
[23:48] <demetris> HP510
[23:49] <xkpe> the packages that get installed in the windows 10 bash are the same packages that would be installed in a native 16.04 ubuntu distribution?
[23:49] <demetris> brenda_: http://www.cnet.com/products/hp-510-15-4-pentium-m-770-win-xp-home-512-mb-ram-60-gb-hdd-series/specs/
[23:49] <demetris> i have 2gb ram
[23:50] <xkpe> (I mean 14.04 trusty)
[23:52] <nacc> !ubuwin | xkpe
[23:53] <xkpe> nacc thanks
[23:55] <bprompt> xkpe:   correction on that bot, upgrade 1607 for windows10 rolled out just about 3 days, ago, Adds the Windows Subsystem for Linux, namely a Linux emulator, or a WINE for windows per se, so... it's already there in builid 1607 for the last 3 days now
[23:56] <loganrun> still can't figure out what the heck is going on. system boots with read only file system after upgrade
[23:57] <cablecoder> can anyone help with usb 3.0 hub on 16.04?
[23:57] <xkpe> bprompt, I am using it, I was lookint at the /etc/apt/sources.list and it looked like the standard ubuntu, I was expecting a different distribution, that's where my question came from :)
[23:57] <dax> bprompt: it's still in Beta in the anniversary update
[23:58] <bprompt> dax:   hmm I see
[23:58] <loganrun> here you can see the failed services, not sure if this gives any useful info or not, but it is the only thing I am seeing that is a bit off: http://pastebin.com/rA0w1Zv9
[23:58] <dax> bprompt: basically, it's a technology preview. i would not do anything important on it
[23:58] <bprompt> xkpe:    yeah, done with Canonical teaming, so... I'd expect the debian package manager, thus the /etc/apt/sources.list then :)
[23:59] <loganrun> this is completely crazy