[03:53] <c2tarun> good morning :)
[04:41] <Daskreech> hi c2tarun
[04:42] <c2tarun> hi Daskreech
[04:45]  * Daskreech waves
[08:51]  * c2tarun don't miss me too much ;) ♥
[08:51]  * c2tarun is back.
[09:16] <bambee> morning
[09:19] <c2tarun> bambee: morning
[09:19] <bambee> :)
[09:35] <shadeslayer> valorie: always glad to help out :)
[09:35] <bambee> Does anyone has a netbook with an omap4 here ? I'm looking for a netbook these days (my laptop is old now), and I think a netbook ARM-based is a good idea...
[09:36] <shadeslayer> bambee: agateau has one IIRC
[09:36] <shadeslayer> dunno if it's OMAP based
[09:36] <bambee> (I've an android phone with a cortex-A8-based it rocks seriously...)
[09:36] <shadeslayer> but he has a ARM notebook
[09:36] <shadeslayer> bambee: ARM notebooks are *slim*
[09:38] <bambee> by netbook I mean, a slim, small, fast "laptop" which rocks with an high battery life
[09:41] <valorie> shadeslayer: I hope we can get the phonon backends backported also
[09:41] <valorie> but thanks again for your help
[09:56] <shadeslayer> valorie: only if ScottK gives the go ahead :)
[10:01] <yofel> o/
[10:02] <valorie> right
[10:02] <valorie> I wouldn't dare try to sneak behind ScottK's back!
[10:02] <yofel> I would like to have an ARM netbook at some point - although I can live with my eeePC for now
[10:03] <valorie> he might whack me with his cane
[10:03] <valorie> and I'd have to defend myself with my knitting needles
[10:57] <Tm_T> FYI: konq-plugins-l10n (4:4.4.0-2ubuntu3~maverick1~ppa1) can (and does) block the upgrade to 4.6.1
[10:57] <Tm_T> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-l10n-engb_4%3a4.6.1-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1_all.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/khtmlsettingsplugin.mo', which is also in package konq-plugins-l10n 4:4.4.0-2ubuntu3~maverick1~ppa1
[11:09] <debfx> Tm_T: interesting, I guess we need to upggrade konq-plugins to 4.6.1 and add breaks/replaces to the kde-l10n-* packages
[11:10] <debfx> yofel: ^
[11:11] <yofel> +1
[11:12] <yofel> I couldn't upload 2 translations anyway since the PPA ran out of space so I can upload new translations once launchpad gives me some space again
[11:13]  * yofel looks at the konq-plugins tar again
[11:22] <yofel> debfx: so just use konq-plugins 4.6.1 as it is? Since it's missing a few plugins and the docs compared to 4.4.0 - and I don't know much about konq-plugins
[11:23] <debfx> yofel: which plugins are missing?
[11:24] <yofel> crashes/ mediarealfolder/ sidebar/ and smbmounter/
[11:33] <debfx> gnaaaaaaaaa
[11:34] <debfx> I've built all kde-l10n packages only to notice that they are not in the kubuntu package set
[11:35] <yofel> o.O
[11:35] <debfx> so launchpad reject all the uploads
[11:35] <yofel> heh
[11:37]  * debfx refuses to do any kubuntu development until that package set is fixed
[11:38] <yofel> well, we can look at konq-plugins then, no hurry though, as we can't upload anything to backports currently anyway
[11:47] <webdevbyjoss> hey, guys. I have a problem with installing Qt application, because I can't install required qt-lib. is this a good channel to ask for help?
[11:47] <c2tarun> which library is required?
[11:47] <c2tarun> webdevbyjoss: ^^
[11:48] <webdevbyjoss> I'm installing application that depends on "libqt4-multimedia", but there is no such package for current lib-qt https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/i386/libqt4-multimedia, what can I do in order to install my application?
[11:48] <webdevbyjoss> I'm taking ab out 4.7
[11:48] <webdevbyjoss> I can't downgrade to 4.6 as I have already lot of application that depends on 4.7
[11:49] <webdevbyjoss> libqt4-multimedia is in beta right now and required libqtcore4 (= 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu1)
[11:50] <webdevbyjoss> but I have a latest "libqtcore4" available from the repository
[11:50] <yofel> no, that was the latest version that shipped it, from 4:4.7.0~beta2-0ubuntu2:
[11:50] <yofel>    - Drop multimedia package, QtMultimediaKit in QtMobility replaces it
[11:51] <c2tarun> yofel: hey can you please help me with a small c++ program for Qt. I asked on #qt but that channel seems to be empty :(
[11:51] <webdevbyjoss> thanks
[11:52] <yofel> webdevbyjoss: so either the application package is too  old or you're running a too new Qt package for your release
[11:54] <webdevbyjoss> I think the package is quite old, but its a latest available from that program, "simon_0.3.0-1ubuntu3_i386-1.deb" and it depends on libqt4-multimedia.
[11:54] <webdevbyjoss> so possibly I'll contact developer of that program and discuss that with him
[11:55] <yofel> c2tarun: looking, but I haven't done any qt programmin in a while so give me a bit
[11:55] <webdevbyjoss> just to make everything clear - so there is no any way to install program that depends on "libqt4-multimedia" in ubuntu 10.10?
[11:56] <c2tarun> yofel: no problem just take a look at http://paste.kde.org/6537/ I wrote three programs and the error with them
[11:56] <yofel> c2tarun: yeah, I saw your paste in #qt
[11:57] <c2tarun> yofel: so any clue :( about where I am wrong?
[12:00] <shadeslayer> dude
[12:00] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: lrn2forwarddeclare classes
[12:00] <shadeslayer> :P
[12:02] <yofel> shadeslayer: you can still do that after it works :P
[12:02] <shadeslayer> and does QWindow come from QtGui?
[12:03] <shadeslayer> does'nt look like it
[12:04] <shadeslayer> uh
[12:05] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: i don't see a class called QWindow
[12:05] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: http://paste.kde.org/6539/
[12:05] <shadeslayer> but it needs to be done that way ^^
[12:05] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: got it, fixed it, it should be QWidget :/
[12:06] <shadeslayer> see :P
[12:06] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: so replace QWindow with QWidget in that paste there
[12:07] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: done :) but still I am not getting anyoutput on executing the executive file :( I guess there is no show called anywhere.
[12:07] <shadeslayer> setLayout(layout).show();  -- > better change that to : this->setLayout(layout).show();
[12:07] <shadeslayer> wait a second
[12:07] <shadeslayer>         np = new Notepad();
[12:07] <shadeslayer> what after that ?
[12:07] <shadeslayer> you haven't showed the Application
[12:07] <shadeslayer> np->show() i'd say
[12:08] <shadeslayer> ( You allocate the memory / instantiate it, but don't make it show up )
[12:09] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: finally got an small cute window :) which function can be used to quit?
[12:10] <shadeslayer> the 'x' at the top?
[12:10] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: I want to quit by clicking the button.
[12:10] <shadeslayer> ah
[12:11] <shadeslayer> implement the quit() slot?
[12:12] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/qpushbutton.html#public-slots
[12:12] <shadeslayer> there's no Quit slot for QPushButton
[12:12] <shadeslayer> again ... use QtCreator to fix0r your code
[12:13] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: I did first but if I dont declare Notepad::quit() than I am getting an error. I'll use QtCreator after getting little bit aquainted with Qt :)
[12:13] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: er what?
[12:14] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: this error moc_notepad.cpp:(.text+0x5f): undefined reference to `Notepad::quit()'
[12:14] <shadeslayer> that's because you didn't include the moc
[12:15] <shadeslayer> and add #ifndef and #define for your header
[12:16] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: I included it first, let me do it again.
[12:16] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: did you go through the Qt examples given in the docs?
[12:17] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: I was at 2nd example of tutorial when faced this problem
[12:18] <shadeslayer> hm ..
[12:18] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: you mean header file this way? http://pastebin.com/N0d69wu1
[12:19] <shadeslayer> yes
[12:19] <shadeslayer> wait
[12:19] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: #ifndef NOTEPAD_H
[12:19] <shadeslayer> same thing for #define
[12:20] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: will you believe I saw same convention in a example and thought it as a mispring ;(
[12:20] <yofel> c2tarun: IMHO you should also read a tutorial on best practices in c++ (like the include protection shadeslayer is just talking about)
[12:20] <shadeslayer> aye
[12:21] <c2tarun> yofel: sure I'll go for that too.
[12:21] <shadeslayer> and moc
[12:21] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: what is moc?
[12:21] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/moc.html
[12:22] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: thanks :)
[12:59] <bambee> c2tarun: paste the cpp too please
[12:59] <bambee> well so the cpp should contain the constructor and Notepad::quit() implemented :)
[14:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how's neon doing?  would it be an interesting idea to announce it at conf.kde.in ?
[14:04] <Riddell> so publishing on dot at the same time as your talk
[14:04] <Riddell> making your talk the big launch
[14:13] <ScottK> debfx: If you have a moment, I'd appreciate a hand with the kde-look/apps watch file you helped me out with a while ago.  kbackup just did a new upstream release and the watch file doesn't work anymore.
[14:13] <ScottK> no matching hrefs for watch line
[14:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, bambee, c2tarun: WTH are ye talking about?
[14:21] <apachelogger> connect(mePushButton, SIGNAL(clicked()), meActualWindow, SLOT(close());
[14:21] <apachelogger> which will close the widget (if used as window)
[14:21] <bambee> apachelogger: I try to understand the discussion, but I arrived too late
[14:21] <apachelogger> if it was the last window of the app and the quitonclose attribute is set it will also quit the application
[14:22] <apachelogger> should that not be the case then you can still force quitting
[14:22] <apachelogger> connect(mePushButton, SIGNAL(clicked()), qApp, SLOT(quit()));
[14:22] <c2tarun> apachelogger: need a good qt tutorial :( Nokia one is not conceptually good, can you suggest me some.
[14:23] <apachelogger> it ought to be noted that qApp is a macro thingy of QApplication, should one not be able to use it for whatever reason there might be there... there is also QCoreApplication::instance()
[14:23] <apachelogger> c2tarun: what is not good about the qt examples?
[14:24] <apachelogger> http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/tutorials-widgets-toplevel.html
[14:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did I mention that your browser becomes more unusable from time to time that I have to use it?
[14:25] <apachelogger> is it bitrotting or something?
[14:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what version are we talking about?
[14:38] <apachelogger> whatever is in natty
[14:38] <shadeslayer> ah
[14:38] <ScottK> Some bitrot and some versions don't?
[14:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: wait for the next release
[14:38] <shadeslayer> loads of bugs fixed actually
[14:38] <ScottK> So he should switch to a different browser for now?
[14:39] <apachelogger> ...meego actually has a working browser...
[14:41] <shadeslayer> or compile rekonq from trunk for just some time
[14:43] <ScottK> shadeslayer: If it's that much better should we have a trunk snapshot in Natty?
[14:43] <shadeslayer> yep ...
[14:43] <debfx> ScottK: yeah the download location has changed
[14:44] <debfx> ScottK: http://paste.kde.org/6545/
[14:44] <shadeslayer> wan't me to prepare it?
[14:44] <ScottK> debfx: Thanks.
[14:44] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I'm not promising to sponsor it.
[14:45] <shadeslayer> well i was going to put it into a PPA for apachelogger :P
[14:46] <ScottK> debfx: Works great.  Thanks again.
[14:47] <debfx> ScottK: you're welcome
[14:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: we have a new alpha to package no?
[14:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: there was a new release 0.6.85 but there were some 0 day bugs fixed later on
[14:53] <Riddell> ok, go with git then
[14:53] <shadeslayer> ok
[15:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ppa:rohangarg/kde-extra << test from there
[15:34] <shadeslayer> it's still building atm
[15:34] <apachelogger> sounds like I cannot test :P
[15:35] <shadeslayer> what .. :P
[15:35] <apachelogger> oggy oggy oggy
[15:35] <apachelogger> natty does not start on ze tablet
[15:35] <apachelogger> wtf
[15:35] <shadeslayer> yeah .. lp needs 30 mins to start it's magic
[15:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what
[15:35]  * apachelogger needs to get n900 integration upl0adered
[15:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: booting a chroot?
[15:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: a what now?
[15:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well .. i was planning to boot a maverick chroot off android
[15:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so neon announce at conf.kde.in?  yay or nay?
[15:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ask yofel :P
[15:36] <apachelogger> ScottK: kubuntu-mobile-integration-n900 or kubuntu-mobile-n900-integration?
[15:36] <shadeslayer> he is working on kwin issues
[15:36] <Riddell> yofel: yay or nay?  cause he's going to talk about it regardless
[15:37] <apachelogger> hm
[15:37] <apachelogger> me@osiris:~/src$ dget shadeslayer:
[15:37] <apachelogger> that did not work
[15:37] <apachelogger> I wonder why
[15:37] <shadeslayer> haha
[15:37] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think that latter.
[15:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/Project%20Neon/img0.html
[15:37] <apachelogger> ScottK: ok
[15:38] <bambee> shadeslayer: nice :D
[15:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's that?
[15:38] <Riddell> oh, your slides, lovely
[15:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: my not-so-finished presentation
[15:38] <bambee> (graphically I mean)
[15:38] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you know where sheytan's banner for neon is?
[15:39] <shadeslayer> nope
[15:39] <shadeslayer> well it's probably up on imgur
[15:39]  * shadeslayer checks logs
[15:40] <apachelogger> Description: yada yada
[15:40] <apachelogger>  blah blah
[15:40] <apachelogger> would that get through new queue?
[15:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/L3N3i.png
[15:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you are missing a billion slides
[15:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes
[15:42] <apachelogger> add a butterfly
[15:42] <apachelogger> hm
[15:42] <shadeslayer> and a picture of mickey
[15:42] <apachelogger> "everyday"?
[15:43] <apachelogger> should that not be like two words or something or nothing?
[15:44] <shadeslayer> where's that word?
[15:44] <shadeslayer> ah
[15:44] <shadeslayer> in the logo
[15:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: add a "conf.kde.in exclusive: announcing the all new project neon!"
[15:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes it should
[15:46] <shadeslayer> good point
[15:47] <Riddell> who is good with krita?
[15:47] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yer logo is flawed, you are well gonna get beatins' for that :P
[15:47] <Riddell> sheytan's logo to be fair :)
[15:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i didn't make it
[15:47] <Riddell> sheytan: can you do that Project Neon banner with "every day" as two words?
[15:47] <shadeslayer> right now .. i'm trying to fix slide 4
[15:47] <apachelogger> sheytan: you are well gonna get beatins' or something or nothing
[15:47] <apachelogger> sheytan: add a picture of a puppy dog
[15:48] <apachelogger> those always work
[15:48] <apachelogger> unless you want to go zen on side 4, then add a picture of a mountain river, a slow one
[15:49] <apachelogger> unless you want to go zOMG on slide 4, then  add a picture of a mountain river, one that will eat puppy dogs if they fall in
[15:49] <apachelogger> oh
[15:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^
[15:49] <ScottK> We already had Riddell canoeing down a mountain river, so I think rivers have been done.
[15:49] <Riddell> can't have too much of rivers
[15:50] <apachelogger> never underestimate the power of a river pic in a presentation
[15:50] <apachelogger> esp if you have something meaningful to say
[15:50] <Riddell> add a pretty canoing in florida photo, that's relevant and zen
[15:50] <apachelogger> true
[15:50] <shadeslayer> ah yes.. the one with jussi in it
[15:50] <apachelogger> oh
[15:50] <apachelogger> if you do not have any meaningful to say, use a kitty though
[15:51] <apachelogger> you really want people to think about the kitty rather than what you are saying
[15:51] <shadeslayer> http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/Project%20Neon/img3.html
[15:51] <shadeslayer> fix0red
[15:51]  * apachelogger wonders why natty refuses to build and concludes that this world needs more kernelz
[15:52] <apachelogger> oh
[15:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so much text :S
[15:52] <apachelogger> could you not add a picture of a river and just the word "awesome"
[15:52] <apachelogger> then go on about how it is awesome, and make sure to include the word awesome in every point you are making
[15:53] <apachelogger> then again awesome might not work as there is no amercian audience
[15:53] <apachelogger> nvm
[15:53] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: trying to focus on easy to install first :P
[15:53] <apachelogger> right
[15:53] <apachelogger> make it 5 slides
[15:53] <apachelogger> each with a related pic
[15:54] <shadeslayer> and gnome asia is getting so many sponsors ... don't know how many conf.kde.in has :(
[15:54] <ScottK> That or 50 slides with one word on each.
[15:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i have to speak for 45 minutes
[15:54] <apachelogger> you could do a speed iteration
[15:55] <apachelogger> one word per slide
[15:55] <apachelogger> building key words of sentences together
[15:55] <shadeslayer> or i could do pictures with subliminal messages
[15:55] <apachelogger> you say sentence, quickly iterate over slides as to support your arguments
[15:55] <ScottK> shadeslayer: 40 of that is you trying to get your laptop to work, so you don't need a lot of content.
[15:55] <apachelogger> a dude in my management course likes to do that ...
[15:56] <shadeslayer> ScottK: haha :D
[15:56] <apachelogger> just that he did not get the point and tried to apply the scheme to an half an hour talk
[15:56] <shadeslayer> i hope not
[15:56] <apachelogger> most mind warping
[15:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I remember your laptop not working appropriately @ uds
[15:56] <apachelogger> maybe, just as a precaution you should install a legacy os and use that
[15:56] <apachelogger> ...
[15:57] <apachelogger> maverick > natty
[15:57] <shadeslayer> i already am on maverick
[15:58] <apachelogger> yeah
[15:58] <apachelogger> you used mav back then, no? :P
[15:58] <shadeslayer> yeah :P
[15:58] <shadeslayer> or tried to use it
[15:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it works perfectly with my second monitor
[15:59] <shadeslayer> the setup there was weird
[15:59] <apachelogger> I do not think the projector will care about yoru second monitor though :P
[15:59] <ScottK> He might do better with a laptop he was capable of lifting.
[16:00] <apachelogger> a tablet
[16:00] <shadeslayer> hahah ... yeah this one is *heavy*
[16:00] <apachelogger> you could have like only pictures
[16:00] <apachelogger> and hold the tablet in the one hand
[16:00] <shadeslayer> or just my phone
[16:00] <apachelogger> with the otherhand you slide through them pictures
[16:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also a very good idea
[16:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: just need to write something that connects to the projector and output's video over USB
[16:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh right, you have a shitty phone
[16:01] <apachelogger> I keep forgetting
[16:01] <shadeslayer> what
[16:01] <shadeslayer> :O
[16:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it's faster than the N900
[16:01] <apachelogger> keep telling that to yourself
[16:01] <apachelogger> I just came to reexperience how much performance android eats
[16:01] <apachelogger> just doing nothing
[16:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: tried out rekonq yet?
[16:12] <yofel> Riddell: I would announce it - we do still have issues, but it'll work ok for most people I hope. And all of that is on the known issues page
[16:26] <markey> args
[16:26] <markey> Flash is totally borked with latest Kubuntu updates. the sound is playing in a loop
[16:34] <shadeslayer> markey: 64 bit?
[16:52] <markey> shadeslayer: yes
[16:54] <shadeslayer> markey: tried out the beta release?
[16:55] <markey> yeah I'm using the beta PPA
[16:55] <shadeslayer> ah
[16:55] <markey> if you mean that
[16:55] <markey> KDE 4.6.1 and all that
[16:55] <markey> it worked fine before the latest upgrade
[16:55] <shadeslayer> well .. i just put the so in ~/.mozilla/plugins
[16:55]  * shadeslayer hasn't upgraded yetr
[16:55] <markey> I use Chromium, btw
[16:55] <shadeslayer> *yet
[16:55] <shadeslayer> well works fine in chromium here
[16:55] <markey> hmm
[16:55] <shadeslayer> markey: nightly build?
[16:55] <markey> yes
[16:55] <markey> shadeslayer: try it after the upgrade...
[16:56] <shadeslayer> will leave it to upgrade the whole night
[17:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what is the command to test rekonq?
[17:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:rohangarg/kde-extra; sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:23] <apachelogger> thank you
[17:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: look facebook
[17:26] <markey> shadeslayer: somehow it works again now, after restarting Chromium :)
[17:26] <shadeslayer> :O
[17:26] <shadeslayer> markey: oh great :D
[17:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: HOW
[17:26] <apachelogger> supremacy
[17:27] <apachelogger> though, FWIW input is not yet fully functional
[17:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: does wifi and stuff work?
[17:27] <shadeslayer> can you browse the web et all
[17:27] <apachelogger> wifi is of rather little concern as long as usb works :P
[17:27] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:27] <apachelogger> actually, I do not even think wifi works on the n900 currently
[17:28] <apachelogger> though I could not possibly know as they have broken all of kde on natty anyway
[17:28] <apachelogger> what is clear though is that I will need an own kernel
[17:28] <apachelogger> stock omap3 does not have half the shit I need
[17:28] <shadeslayer> ouch
[17:28] <apachelogger> and the angstrom kernel deployed with their developer firmware is cut
[17:28] <apachelogger> like really badly
[17:29] <apachelogger> you do not even have access to /proc/bus/pci
[17:29] <apachelogger> was it cool though, touchpad works awesome with evdev (well except that it does not realize an actual touch event as click
[17:30] <apachelogger> might be a mis config on my part though
[17:31] <apachelogger> interesting
[17:32] <apachelogger> I thought I started the omap3 ubuntu kernel yet uname says it is the angstrom
[17:32] <apachelogger> very odd
[17:32] <apachelogger> oh, I think I know why
[17:32]  * apachelogger needs to start a wiki page
[17:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/Project%20Neon/img4.html
[17:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: does rekonq crash less and work more now?
[17:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I did never say it crashed
[17:37] <apachelogger> it was just unusable
[17:37] <apachelogger> still unusable
[17:37] <shadeslayer> how so?
[17:37] <shadeslayer> what's the problem?
[17:39] <apachelogger> slow
[17:39] <shadeslayer> slow in loading pages?
[17:39] <apachelogger> on everything
[17:39] <shadeslayer> or slow in starting up
[17:39] <apachelogger> unusable tabbing when tabs exceed space (which is easily the case on netbook)
[17:39] <apachelogger> no
[17:39] <apachelogger> who cares about starting up
[17:39] <apachelogger> I start a browser once a day (given it does not crash)
[17:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what happens if the tab's exceed the amount of space?
[17:41] <bambee> good new: In few days, I will help you on kubuntu ARM (I will acquire a toshiba ac100)
[17:41] <shadeslayer> ( the arrows up top are quite small, yes )
[17:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I reported bugs about that
[17:41] <shadeslayer> oh goody
[17:41] <apachelogger> IIRC upstream could not have cared less
[17:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: best way to get them solved
[17:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I reported them half a year ago
[17:42] <apachelogger> tabbing is broken since forever
[17:42]  * shadeslayer checks
[17:42] <apachelogger> the best way to get them solved is use a browser who actually cares about that use case possibly
[17:42]  * apachelogger conducts probing and poking on the stupid angstrom kernel
[17:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: we have a Pin tab feature landing in the next release, so that would help alot in netbook scenarios
[17:45] <shadeslayer> didn't make it this time because it was past feature freeze i think
[17:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Graphics driver: fglrx << oh my oh my
[17:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: your bug was targeted for the 0.8 release
[18:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I like slide 4 btw
[18:02] <shadeslayer> :D
[18:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: added more of them about a minute ago
[18:02] <shadeslayer> there are 9 now
[18:02] <shadeslayer> need polishing tho
[18:03] <apachelogger> I do not like the ones before and the ones after slide 4 though
[18:03] <apachelogger> just use slide 4
[18:03] <shadeslayer> haha :D
[18:03]  * apachelogger notes that rekonq forgets cookies or somesuch stuff
[18:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: er ... steps to reproduce?
[18:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: go to gmail, login, tick stay logged in box, restart machine or somesuch crap, see how you have to login again
[18:08] <apachelogger> same for facebook and everything else on this planet
[18:08] <apachelogger> possibly even intarstellar
[18:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: does it work with konqueror?
[18:08] <shadeslayer> because i think kcookiejar cleans out cookies after a restart or sth
[18:09] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[18:09] <apachelogger> also kcoockiejar definitely does not eat peristant cookies
[18:09] <apachelogger> that would be silly
[18:12] <shadeslayer> ok will test in a few minutes
[18:12] <shadeslayer> and the tab bar is acting up :<
[18:12] <shadeslayer> probably because i'm using raster
[18:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: comments on the slides?
[18:13] <apachelogger> cant find it tabs are broken
[18:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also you did not yet do anything about focus stealing btw
[18:14] <apachelogger> when I click a link in quassel0rd rekonq *must* steal focus
[18:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok how do i fix that?
[18:16] <shadeslayer> and that is one bug i'd like to fix too
[18:17] <apachelogger> I have no idea
[18:17] <apachelogger> probably you have to ask kwindowmanagement to give you focus
[18:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also something that you can easily do in rekonq ... the new tab must become active tab
[18:18] <shadeslayer> er.. that's how it works here
[18:18] <shadeslayer> or do you mean right click on link -> Open in tab
[18:18] <shadeslayer> and then it switches to new tab
[18:19] <apachelogger> no
[18:19] <shadeslayer> then?
[18:19] <apachelogger> I click on link in quassel0rd -> new tab must get focus
[18:19] <shadeslayer> ah...
[18:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ok i'll fix focus stealing bugs tonight
[18:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kwinsystem::windowchanged sounds promising
[18:20] <apachelogger> though that probably only makes rekonq blink
[18:20] <apachelogger> for a netbook use case we migt need a kwin profile to allow focus stealing which might then not only make it blink but also raise
[18:22] <apachelogger> mwhoops
[18:22] <apachelogger> that is a signal
[18:22] <apachelogger> ::uniminimizeWindow()
[18:22] <apachelogger> or
[18:23] <apachelogger> ::activeWindow()
[18:23] <apachelogger> Requests that window win is activated.
[18:23] <apachelogger> or
[18:23] <apachelogger> ::demandAttention()
[18:23] <apachelogger> ::raiseWindow
[18:23] <apachelogger> holy french fries, I have no idea which one to use when ^^
[18:24] <shadeslayer> raiseWindow i'd say
[18:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: possibly mr konqueror has support for this, whatever it uses should be fine for rekonq
[18:24] <apachelogger> This call is only for pagers and similar tools that represent direct user actions. Applications should not use it, they should keep using QWidget::raise() or XRaiseWindow() if necessary
[18:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: raise is no go :P
[18:24] <apachelogger> qwidget::raise might actually do the job
[18:24] <apachelogger> well
[18:24] <apachelogger> grep konq
[18:24] <shadeslayer> aye
[18:25] <shadeslayer> QEvent::FocusIn
[18:26] <shadeslayer> nah
[18:27]  * apachelogger wonders whether zimage is equal to vmlinuz
[18:27] <apachelogger> ah
[18:27] <apachelogger> /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.38-5-generic: Linux kernel x86 boot executable bzImage, version 2.6.38-5-generic (buildd@vernad, RO-rootFS, root_dev 0x801, swap_dev 0x4, Normal VGA
[18:28] <apachelogger> looks like it
[18:28] <apachelogger> sweet
[18:28] <apachelogger> then I wonder why my mobile image booted the angstrom kernel and not ours seeing as I symlinked zImage to my vmlinuz
[18:28] <apachelogger> silly
[18:30] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what I like best about andriod is how mounting a partition over usb makes it unavilable to android
[18:30] <shadeslayer> ah
[18:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you *like* that?
[18:31] <shadeslayer> i hate it
[18:31] <shadeslayer> what i like best is ... everything works the way it's supposed to be
[18:31] <shadeslayer> except for the Java bits
[18:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: lol, well spoken
[18:38] <apachelogger> though I must say they also have fishy kernels
[18:38] <apachelogger> (most of the time)
[18:38] <shadeslayer> oh yes ... definitely ...
[18:38]  * apachelogger has found the input devices for the 3 keys he has
[18:39] <apachelogger> also apparently the touchscreen is identifying as win7 usb touch something
[18:39] <apachelogger> very confusing ^^
[18:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: and they require super user priviliges for some normal stuff
[18:39] <shadeslayer> what
[18:39] <shadeslayer> O_O
[18:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i'm going to get myself one of these http://www.noteslate.com/
[18:39] <apachelogger> well
[18:39] <apachelogger> IMHO the lees priviliges the better
[18:39] <apachelogger> *les
[18:39] <apachelogger> s
[18:39] <shadeslayer> yep
[18:39] <apachelogger> thing is they do not do it properly
[18:40] <apachelogger> and if you do not do it properly you might as well just leave it
[18:40] <apachelogger> as it will be incredibly easy to work around anyway
[18:40] <shadeslayer> look at the noteslate
[18:40] <shadeslayer> i mean .... just look at it :D
[18:40] <apachelogger> I forgot about it
[18:40] <apachelogger> you see
[18:41] <shadeslayer> no need to carry a notebook ... eva
[18:41] <apachelogger> rekonq did not raise and the tab did not get focus either
[18:41]  * apachelogger does not see no nothing
[18:41] <shadeslayer> haha :D
[18:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that looks very nice
[18:41] <apachelogger> also it could work with X ^^
[18:41] <shadeslayer> no it won't
[18:41] <apachelogger> wut
[18:41] <apachelogger> why not
[18:41] <apachelogger> x is awesome
[18:41] <shadeslayer> X takes up too much memory
[18:42] <apachelogger> I hope wayland never comes around
[18:42] <shadeslayer> you confuse awesome with tons of memory
[18:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it does not need to
[18:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you can keep your 20 year old piece of code
[18:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how much mem does that bugger have?
[18:42]  * shadeslayer want's new stuff
[18:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is the point exactly
[18:42] <apachelogger> 20 years ago machines were shit
[18:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: not alot seeing how it's supposed to just display 1 bit colors
[18:42] <apachelogger> hence you could easily reduce X to what it was 20 years ago and it would use like less than a mb
[18:42] <shadeslayer> no specs
[18:42] <apachelogger> (well without drivers, obviously drivers are fat beasts)
[18:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the firmware will be open source
[18:43] <shadeslayer> so i guess it's doable
[18:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it will already have a HTML browser and music player
[18:43] <apachelogger> the fact that it only does black or white does not say anything about mem really
[18:43] <shadeslayer> why do you want X ontop of it?
[18:43] <apachelogger> X must go everywhere
[18:43] <apachelogger> so that wayland stays out of sight
[18:44] <apachelogger> I like how meego has a mouse cursor on their tablets
[18:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: seeing how it does only black and white, it probably doesn't have much
[18:44] <shadeslayer> what :O
[18:44] <apachelogger> it is totally shitty
[18:44] <apachelogger> and totally necessary
[18:44] <shadeslayer> really? :D
[18:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/fxmzn/what_is_your_funniest_made_up_fact_that_someone/c1je2qa
[18:44] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[18:44] <apachelogger> well, I would not know of a way to get rid of the coursor while having a input device
[18:44] <apachelogger> probably a design decision made 20 years ago
[18:44] <apachelogger> well
[18:45] <apachelogger> actually isn it it more like 30 these days?
[18:45] <apachelogger> time flies by so quickly
[18:45] <apachelogger> ...
[18:45] <apachelogger> I AM STILL RUNNING THE WRONG KERNEL
[18:45] <apachelogger> wtf
[18:45]  * apachelogger must be doing something wrong
[18:46] <shadeslayer> hehe
[18:48] <apachelogger> I really do not get it
[18:48] <apachelogger> either the firmware overrides /boot completely or I am too stupid
[18:48] <apachelogger> that at least explains why natty did not want to load despite me throwing in our n900 kernel which should at least start theboard
[18:49] <apachelogger> natty system wouldnt want to start with meego kernel either
[18:50] <apachelogger> BUT WHY
[18:51] <apachelogger> -.-
[18:52] <apachelogger> ah
[18:52] <apachelogger> oh
[18:52] <apachelogger> uh
[18:52] <apachelogger> there seems to be a menu well hidden :S
[18:54] <apachelogger> ahhh
[18:54] <apachelogger> much better
[19:01] <apachelogger> it is karp0tt
[19:01] <apachelogger> lovely
[19:01] <shadeslayer> ahh
[19:01] <shadeslayer> very interesting
[19:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so i close Dr.Konqi after reporting a crash
[19:02] <shadeslayer> and i click on "take me to the bug report's webpage"
[19:02] <shadeslayer> and rekonq gains focus
[19:02] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[19:02] <apachelogger> did you have another app focused at the time?
[19:03] <shadeslayer> the bug reporter
[19:03] <apachelogger> I thought you closed it
[19:03] <shadeslayer> no
[19:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: there's a link at the end, i clicked on that
[19:03] <apachelogger> well
[19:03] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[19:04] <apachelogger> kwin focus stealing prevention is a mystery to me
[19:05] <shadeslayer> hmmm
[19:05] <apachelogger> it still does not boot :(
[19:05] <apachelogger> option a) kernel image is shit
[19:05] <apachelogger> option b) initrd is shit
[19:05] <apachelogger> option c) apachelogger is a stupid developer
[19:05] <apachelogger> I go with c)
[19:05] <apachelogger> I was not supposed to be developer anyway
[19:05] <apachelogger> that all was just one great accident
[19:05] <apachelogger> or is it big accident
[19:06] <apachelogger> actually I am drunk I must admit
[19:07] <apachelogger> meh
[19:07] <apachelogger> still no boot
[19:07]  * apachelogger builds a maverick minimal image with stock kernel
[19:10] <DarkwingDuck> having fun apachelogger?
[19:10] <apachelogger> no
[19:10] <DarkwingDuck> :/
[19:10] <apachelogger> I shall go on vacation soon
[19:10] <DarkwingDuck> What's messing up?
[19:10] <DarkwingDuck> Oh nice.
[19:11] <apachelogger> all this broken open source stuff makes me wanna kill people
[19:11] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah... What's broken today?
[19:11] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: apachelogger is broken today
[19:12] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: +1
[19:12] <apachelogger> whut
[19:12] <apachelogger> oh
[19:12]  * apachelogger cannot fix
[19:12] <apachelogger> I do not have apachelogger.h with me
[19:12] <apachelogger> actually everything is broken
[19:12] <apachelogger> if you apply insane apachelogger standards
[19:12] <DarkwingDuck> Well, Yeah... just re-write it in PERL and you're good to go.
[19:13] <DarkwingDuck> This way if it breaks you can blame the language
[19:13] <apachelogger> makes me wanna open up a company to make money out of fixing shit so that it shall be valuable to businesses and robots
[19:13] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[19:13] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: yeah
[19:13] <apachelogger> actually
[19:13] <apachelogger> we had a nice discussion about this the other day in class
[19:13] <shadeslayer> uh..
[19:13] <DarkwingDuck> Oh?
[19:13] <apachelogger> with teh essential conclusion that the language is not to blame but developers being incompotent
[19:14] <shadeslayer> haha
[19:14] <apachelogger> as every major language is turing complete they are all capable of the exactly the same things
[19:14] <DarkwingDuck> ehhhhhhhh.... I don't know. PERL in itself is rough.
[19:14] <apachelogger> whether the developer makes them do the right things is however the part of the equation that is mostly unkown
[19:14] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: do brainfuck
[19:15] <apachelogger> :P
[19:15] <apachelogger> that is rough
[19:15] <DarkwingDuck> But, I would 99% agree
[19:15] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: LOL Aye, that is rough.
[19:15] <DarkwingDuck> I'm dedicating myself to graphics, docs and learning Python.
[19:15] <apachelogger> actually you could just as well do it on a turing machine
[19:15] <DarkwingDuck> erm... ignore that part about raphics.
[19:15] <apachelogger> would not be much more work than brainfuck really
[19:15] <DarkwingDuck> *graphics
[19:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: python? really?
[19:15] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah.
[19:16] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: learning python?
[19:16] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: aye
[19:16] <apachelogger> do you want to fly from drugs or smthing or nothing?
[19:16] <DarkwingDuck> It's quick and I can port it anywhere.
[19:16] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[19:16] <apachelogger> actually
[19:16] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:16] <apachelogger> you can port C anywhere
[19:16] <DarkwingDuck> Plus, I have a python teacher
[19:16] <DarkwingDuck> I don't have a C/C++/C# teacher
[19:16] <apachelogger> python you can port to any subset of C with python being mostly written in C
[19:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i was actually looking at learning System C
[19:17] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: get a book :P
[19:17] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: you don't need a teacher
[19:17] <apachelogger> C only got like 5 concepts
[19:17] <shadeslayer> aye
[19:17] <DarkwingDuck> Aye?
[19:17]  * DarkwingDuck mutters
[19:17] <apachelogger> ptrs, datatypes, signatures, functions, memory
[19:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: any I forgot?
[19:17] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: just make obnoxiously long variable name's and you are done
[19:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^
[19:18] <apachelogger> see, I just summed up C in 5 words
[19:18] <DarkwingDuck> Maybe I'll just stick to Docs. I just realized if I learn C++ I'll be another apachelogger minion
[19:18]  * apachelogger is pretty extraordinary
[19:18] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: so you're saying being a minion is bad?  :P:P
[19:19] <apachelogger> ...
[19:19] <apachelogger> exactly
[19:20] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[19:20] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: you could also become marketer and become a minion of mine in that domain :P
[19:20] <DarkwingDuck> :P
[19:20] <apachelogger> my talents are wasted on stupid development really
[19:20] <DarkwingDuck> Well, I'll be pushing Kubuntu community and I'm going to start more work on the website too
[19:21] <apachelogger> perfect, you shall be minion and drag me out of this stupid boring development stuff
[19:21] <DarkwingDuck> I have another meeting with Jono coming up
[19:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can i call slots from a ctor without a connect? like this->setFocus();
[19:21] <apachelogger> uh
[19:21] <apachelogger> intersting question
[19:22] <apachelogger> do you want the long answer?
[19:22] <shadeslayer> sure
[19:22] <apachelogger> great
[19:22] <apachelogger> so
[19:22] <apachelogger> you know about moc
[19:22] <apachelogger> the metaobjectcompiler
[19:22] <shadeslayer> yep
[19:22] <shadeslayer> some of it...
[19:22] <apachelogger> see... the reason you have to declare signals with a datatype in the header...
[19:22] <apachelogger> they are actually functions
[19:22] <apachelogger> as C++ does not know about all the signals and slots shit
[19:22] <shadeslayer> aye
[19:23] <apachelogger> only the QMetaObject puts that stuff ontop of the actual C++ class
[19:23] <shadeslayer> and then Qt handles them via moc
[19:23] <apachelogger> exactly
[19:23] <apachelogger> so they are still c++ functions, callable as such
[19:23] <shadeslayer> right
[19:23] <apachelogger> so a slot is no different than any other functions
[19:23] <apachelogger> and technically a signal is not either
[19:23] <tsimpson> the "emit" keyword is simply a #define emit
[19:23] <apachelogger> except that it probably has no implementation
[19:23] <tsimpson> you just call the method
[19:24] <apachelogger> so foo->mySignal() will probably fail to compile ;)
[19:24] <tsimpson> all signals are just protected methods, defined in the moc
[19:24] <apachelogger> but there is nothing that actually prevents you from implementing a signal
[19:24] <shadeslayer> right
[19:24] <tsimpson> you'll get link errors if you do define a signal though
[19:25] <shadeslayer> interesting that ^^
[19:25]  * apachelogger never tried that
[19:25] <apachelogger> actually I struggle to find a use case for doing that ^^
[19:25] <apachelogger> just thinking about it now
[19:25] <tsimpson> moc actually defines the methods, that's the moc_blah.cpp or blah.moc files
[19:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: question answered?
[19:26] <shadeslayer> yep :)
[19:26] <shadeslayer> thanks :)
[19:26] <tsimpson> so you get double symbols
[19:27] <apachelogger> makes sense
[19:27] <tsimpson> as far as C++ is concerned, signals are just protected methods of a class (so sub-classes can emit signals from the parent)
[19:27] <bambee> apachelogger: Qt just makes object introspection for slots and signals right ?
[19:27] <bambee> (I mean, introspection using extra informations generated by moc)
[19:27] <apachelogger> that question is a bit confusing really
[19:28] <tsimpson> moc makes signals, slots and properties work
[19:28] <apachelogger> bambee: QObject does that, obviously Qt at large does more ;)
[19:28] <apachelogger> doubtlessly the most important feature of Qt though
[19:28] <bambee> mhhh
[19:29] <tsimpson> it's part of the reason no one uses gtkmm, it uses boost-signals, which is just ugly compared to Qt
[19:29] <bambee> unfortunately Qt does not make coffee :'(
[19:30] <bambee> xD
[19:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger:  KWindowSystem::demandAttention(mainWindow()->winId(), true);
[19:30] <shadeslayer> i think that's the best
[19:30] <yofel> get your coffee machine a sane processor and network card and you can probably get it to make coffee using Qt
[19:30] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:31] <bambee> yofel: lol
[19:31] <bambee> :)
[19:34] <apachelogger> yofel: there was a blog post somewhere about a realllllllllllllllly emedded thing with Qt port ;)
[19:34] <apachelogger> memory constraints are probably more a problem than shitty cpu
[19:34] <yofel> heh
[19:35] <shadeslayer> where does Dr. Konqi reside btw?
[19:36] <yofel> /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/drkonqi
[19:36] <shadeslayer> the source code :P
[19:36] <apachelogger> in your memory :P
[19:36] <shadeslayer> kdelibs i guess
[19:36] <shadeslayer> :O
[19:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i wish
[19:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: runtime is more like it
[19:37] <yofel> it is runtime
[19:37] <shadeslayer> oh darn
[19:37] <shadeslayer> i don't have that checked out
[19:37] <apachelogger> phonon-kde also lives in runtime
[19:37] <apachelogger> also it has shitty code from what I have seen
[19:38]  * apachelogger breaks his tablet a bit more
[19:39] <shadeslayer> poor tablet
[19:39] <shadeslayer> it's probably wondering where the hell it is
[19:43] <apachelogger> probably not, because if it had any sort of a.i. it would be booting and stuff as otherwise it is clear that it is of no value and might get flushed down the toilet or something or nothing
[19:43]  * apachelogger looks for more booZe
[19:44] <DarkwingDuck> Whoot!
[19:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: just send it to me
[19:44] <shadeslayer> i'll take care of it
[19:44] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:44] <DarkwingDuck> I got one of the Ubuntu wiki guys asking me if we need help building up the Kubuntu wiki :D
[19:44] <apparle> guys, my desktop is old(4years) I'm thinking of adding a new graphic card to it. Is it worth?
[19:44] <shadeslayer> w00t
[19:44] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: we can haz new wiki theme! \o/
[19:45] <shadeslayer> apparle: #kubuntu please
[19:45] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: I'm already working on a new theme
[19:45] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: why isn't it up!!!
[19:45] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: because I'm not quite done
[19:45] <shadeslayer> :(
[19:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: would it be possible to hook up neon with some of those arm builders?
[19:50] <yofel> more like: is there *some* kind of ETA until PPAs build for armel?
[19:51] <yofel> we'll get into space trouble then though ^^
[19:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: there was talk of having some publick arm builders
[19:52] <shadeslayer> don't know what's the status
[19:54] <yofel> well, there are 2 currently on the builders page - doing nothing
[20:09] <shadeslayer> yofel: there are 13 ARM builders from what i can see
[20:10] <yofel> shadeslayer: distribution builders - yes
[20:10] <shadeslayer> zkriesse: this is our not so sekret hideout
[20:11] <shadeslayer> c2tarun_: you realize you have a class A ip address
[20:11] <shadeslayer> <IP_ADDRESS>
[20:11] <c2tarun_> yup :)
[20:11] <shadeslayer> c2tarun_: what ISP?
[20:12] <yofel> first time for me seeing an 1. address ^^
[20:12] <c2tarun_> tikona :/ I am damn sure you never heard the name...
[20:12] <c2tarun_> its local ISP here in my area :)
[20:12] <shadeslayer> yofel: yeah.. i've also seen it for the first time
[20:12] <shadeslayer> c2tarun_:  as a matter of fact i have
[20:12] <shadeslayer> c2tarun_: you see i live in Gurgaon ;)
[20:12] <c2tarun_> shadeslayer: you have tikona connection :) so I am not the only one suffering ;)
[20:12] <yofel> when were we supposed to run out of IPs again? september?
[20:13] <shadeslayer> c2tarun_: nope ... i have a Airtel connection
[20:13] <shadeslayer> yofel: wasn't there a page once that counted IP Address
[20:13] <yofel> there are a few - the first counters reached 0 in february
[20:13] <shadeslayer> in fact there's even a IPv6 day
[20:14] <c2tarun_> shadeslayer: oh... :) airtel is best
[20:14] <shadeslayer> no it isn't
[20:14] <shadeslayer> c2tarun_: seen the latest Fair Usage Policy
[20:15] <c2tarun_> shadeslayer: nope, what is it?
[20:15] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: your speed comes down to 128 kbps after 10 GB's
[20:16] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: do you know that 128kbps is four times of the speed which I get :/ its awful :(
[20:17] <shadeslayer> oh
[20:17] <shadeslayer> Airtel is better then :P
[20:17] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: and Airtel gives uninterrupted connection as well :) when I'll go for my job in mumbai I'll get Airtel there ;)
[20:19] <apparle> c2tarun: where are you from
[20:19] <shadeslayer> :D
[20:19] <c2tarun> apparle: right now I am in delhi. you?
[20:20] <apparle> c2tarun: Pune, tikona is not so local and agreed it is hopeless
[20:20] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: I want to do some coding stuff for KDE, I was looking for some easy already fixed bug, to look into it but failed to find one :( can you please help
[20:20] <c2tarun> apparle: but still its cheap :) and suites my pocket money.
[20:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^ new minion for you
[20:21] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: any particular component you are interested in?
[20:22] <c2tarun> shadeslayer: not sure. can you suggest any?
[20:22] <yofel> implement a log viewer for Quassel
[20:22] <c2tarun> !Quassel
[20:22] <yofel> that's more than just a bit hard though
[20:23] <yofel> c2tarun: that's our default IRC client (what do you use btw.?)
[20:23] <c2tarun> yofel: I use konversation, (it reminds me of xchat :))
[20:23] <yofel> ah
[20:24]  * yofel keeps xchat as backup and for DCC stuff
[20:24]  * apachelogger keeps pr0n for enjoyment
[20:25] <c2tarun> yofel: can you please suggest anything bit easier, as I never done it before. Is it possible for me to join any running project and see there coding?
[20:26] <yofel> probably, any apps you're frequently using? there are junior jobs with 'easy' bugs too for KDE I think
[20:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: probelm with current builder is that they are native and not emulated thus canonical does not like unaffiliated people using them
[20:28] <c2tarun> yofel: well I mostly use, konsole, yakuake, konversation, bangarang, vlc, few widgets like gmail plasmoid. thats it.
[20:28] <apachelogger> what do you not want to hear from a flasher app?
[20:28] <apachelogger> right
[20:28] <apachelogger> initrd and vmlinuz too big
[20:28] <apachelogger> most horrifying\
[20:40] <c2tarun> how can I download the source code of any KDE application and add start it as a project in Qt Creator?
[20:42] <yofel> if you just want a quick look at the source you can use apt-get source - if you want to develop for upstream you'll have to checkout from KDE SVN/GIT
[20:42] <shadeslayer> c2tarun: see projects.kde.org
[20:43] <yofel> hm, right, see there
[20:43] <apparle> c2tarun: you could start here http://techbase.kde.org/Development see the tutorials
[20:43] <c2tarun> thanks :)
[20:44] <yofel> heh, nice git Icon error ^^
[20:45] <yofel> c2tarun: if you need to test KDE trunk and don't want to build it completely yourself use neon ;)
[20:45] <c2tarun> yofel: what is neon?
[20:45] <c2tarun> !neon
[20:45] <yofel> hm... that needs an update...
[20:45] <apachelogger> apachelogger: feel highlighted
[20:46] <apachelogger> apachelogger: ack
[20:46] <yofel> ^^
[20:46] <apachelogger> well then
[20:46] <apachelogger> kubuntu tabletty stuff has to wait until I am home again
[20:46] <yofel> c2tarun: same daily builds - but now in #project-neon and on http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Using_Project_Neon_to_contribute_to_KDE
[20:46]  * apachelogger needs to build himself a kernel
[20:47]  * apachelogger boots le android
[20:48] <c2tarun> yofel: thanks for the links guys :) I'll read them.
[20:48] <apachelogger> it takes ages
[20:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: okay i've fix0red the tab stealing focus
[20:54] <shadeslayer> but i can't figure out what the old code did :P
[20:58] <shadeslayer> LOL
[20:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: there's a config option to change that behavior
[20:58] <shadeslayer> bambee: ^^ :P
[20:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://i.imgur.com/mDn0N.png
[21:05] <apachelogger> markey: I get only whitenoise from you
[21:06] <apachelogger> it is getting worse
[21:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: config options ftw
[21:06] <apachelogger> no
[21:06] <shadeslayer> now to make rekonq steal focus from other apps
[21:06] <apachelogger> they suck
[21:07] <shadeslayer> it was fun to read all the code tho
[21:08] <shadeslayer> ooh
[21:08] <shadeslayer> you guys are having a skype call?
[21:09] <nixternal> anyone have broadcom 4311 wifi working on natty? this is driving me nuts, and i don't know if it is natty or my wifi card is borked. i installed the drivers though jockey, but i can't enable my darn wifi
[21:09] <shadeslayer> hmm
[21:10] <shadeslayer> nixternal: iirc they were planning on getting the BCM drivers in natty
[21:10] <shadeslayer> the one in kernel trunk
[21:10] <shadeslayer> don't know if they were successful
[21:15] <nixternal> this is my old laptop, so i am wondering if i have to use b43-fwcutter with some legacy crap, but in the past i never had to do that
[21:15] <claydoh> had problems with a 4312 (I think), but I replaced it with an intel 'n' card off ebay.
[21:16] <claydoh> hmm I have a 4318 pc card in my almost dead laptop, i think I have natty on it
[21:17] <claydoh> I do remember b43-fwcutter not working, but this was pre alpha2 niirc
[21:18] <claydoh> nixternal: may havve to download the files manually  and run fwcutter
[21:18] <claydoh> me, I spent the 12 bux for a new card as I be lazy, plus wanted g support
[21:18] <claydoh> well, different minipci card,  it was used
[21:20] <claydoh> I can't remember if i tried extracting the firmware manually or not myself
[21:21] <nixternal> hrmm, maybe they are doing something with the broadcom stuff, because now my wifi button will check/uncheck network mangler, but it doesn't light up, nor does it show anything in dmesg. but it is at least doing something now
[21:21] <claydoh> nixternal: no, i think there was a conflict with the STA driver and the b43
[21:21] <claydoh> i think
[21:22] <nixternal> ahh, WiFi now {enabled|disabled} by radio killswitch
[21:22] <claydoh> cool
[21:22] <nixternal> it wasn't doing the 10 minutes ago. i just did an update and rebooted
[21:22] <nixternal> still no light though. i like the light, it is a pretty bright blooooooo one :)
[21:23] <nixternal> its getting close to doing something though, still nothing with iwconfig
[21:23] <claydoh> one thin that bugged me was a change that causes the wifi light on my dell to flash with activity
[21:23] <shadeslayer> hehe
[21:23] <shadeslayer> claydoh: i have that
[21:23] <shadeslayer> and i like it
[21:23] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:24] <claydoh> shadeslayer: there is a setting to fix, but I decided I actually like the flashing
[21:24] <nixternal> yeah, my dell does that as well
[21:24] <nixternal> has done that for ages though, since at least 2008
[21:24] <shadeslayer> yep me too
[21:24] <shadeslayer> yeah
[21:24] <shadeslayer> i need to get a new laptop
[21:24] <claydoh> mine didn't at first
[21:25] <claydoh> but i haven't had this one too long
[21:25] <claydoh> oh thats  why - I upgraded the broadcom wireless to intel, hence the flashing
[21:26] <claydoh> I don't ever see whayI would ever buy a new laptop, this used one is rather nice
[21:28] <nixternal> heh, i totally purged the broadcom drivers, and the button still does that. gotta reboot first i guess
[21:30] <nixternal> wth
[21:30] <nixternal> now iwconfig shows stuff...i just purged the damn drivers
[21:31] <claydoh> purgrd the b43? i think then maybe the card uses the sta drivers in natty now
[21:31] <nixternal> purged the sta drivers
[21:31] <claydoh> too messy
[21:31] <claydoh> ahh
[21:32] <claydoh> the only info I found when I was fighting was to blacklist the b43 stuff, but it didn't work for me
[21:33] <nixternal> yeah, all of that gets blacklisted automatically
[21:33] <nixternal> i just think it is kernel stuff they are working on in natty
[21:37] <nixternal> i think we can disable the notification about 'software upgrade notifications are available'. that is annoying, plus can someone come up with a better icon other than that lightbulb?
[21:41] <apachelogger> ack ack
[21:41] <shadeslayer> ok i'm sleeping
[21:42] <shadeslayer> before i do something stoopid
[21:42] <yofel> gn
[21:42] <shadeslayer> night
[21:59] <apachelogger> who is up for the skype?
[21:59] <apachelogger> yofel: ?
[22:03] <yofel> nope
[22:26] <sheytan> yofel Riddell shadeslayer http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/7760/neongc.png
[22:26] <sheytan> sorry guys, was afk
[22:27] <Riddell> sheytan: awesomeness, thanks :)
[22:27] <sheytan> Riddell welcome ;)
[22:38] <tazz> sheytan,it re-directs to http://imageshack.us/img/blocked_login.jpg
[22:38] <tazz> o.O
[22:39] <sheytan> tazz works for me (TM) :D
[22:39] <tazz> lol
[22:40] <yofel> thanks sheytan
[22:42] <yofel> Riddell: about bug 729653 - can we use the konq-plugins 4.6.1 tar? It's missing the doc/ dir as well as 4 plugins compared to 4.4.0, or should I find a way to rip the konq-plugins translations out of the SC 4.6.1 tranlations?
[22:42] <Riddell> yofel: upstream's mess is that one
[22:43] <Riddell> yofel: I think can use the konq-plugins 4.6.1 tar, I think missing plugins means they didn't work
[22:43] <Riddell> but it's hard to be certain
[22:44] <Riddell> and I think upstream want to keep konq-plugins translations in kde-l10n.  4.6.1 is out so they don't really have a choice for now.  so I guess a replaces: is needed
[22:44] <Riddell> (for the PPA anyway, the .po issue doesn't matter in natty)
[22:45] <yofel> I have the replaces done for the translations, just need to run the script. I just wasn't sure if konq-plugins 4.6.1 is usable in it's state
[22:45] <yofel> I'll prepare a package in ninjas
[22:46] <Riddell> yofel: check with dfaure to be sure, I think he did the 4.6 porting
[22:47] <yofel> where do I find him?
[22:48] <Riddell> "dfaure" but he's not online, probably away for the weekend


[16:46] <AlanBell> anyone started any precise testing yet?
[17:02] <AlanBell> gah, nothing works :( it can see the frames but both orca itself and ubiquity are inaccessible
[17:02] <AlanBell> TheMuso: do I need to do some magic to get orca to read ubiquity in precise? It reads window titles but says ubiquity is inaccessible
[17:07] <maco> it didnt used to read window titles for ubiquity. funky
[21:02] <TheMuso> AlanBell: I don't know. I need to have a look myself.
[21:03] <TheMuso> maco: I think he means the title bar, i.e the part that is rendered by the window manager.
[21:03] <TheMuso> AlanBell: I think I know why ubiquity is not accessible.
[21:03] <TheMuso> Actually, I am sure I know why,.
[21:03] <TheMuso> Easy enough fix, will push it today.
[21:06] <AlanBell> ok, nothing is accessible when I get to the desktop either
[21:06] <maco> TheMuso: wait does it ust say "installer frame" or something?
[21:06] <AlanBell> yes, something like "installer frame inaccessible"
[21:08] <TheMuso> AlanBell: Yeah, I know why.,
[21:08] <AlanBell> ok, great
[21:08] <TheMuso> AlanBell: Temp fix: sudo ln /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gtk-3.0/modules/libatk-bridge.so /usr/lib/gtk-3.0/modules
[21:09] <AlanBell> there was some chatter in -desktop earlier about harmonising the ubiquity timzone selector and the time/date indicator selector
[21:09] <AlanBell> both are pretty rubbish with orca I think
[21:09] <TheMuso> I made the atk bridge for at-spi2 multi-arch, but GTK3 is not yet multi-arch enabled.
[21:09] <TheMuso> Ok making them the same makes sense, we then only need to work on the one.
[21:09] <AlanBell> but if someone is poking about there then it might be an opportunity to get that working
[21:09] <AlanBell> it is because it is a fake dropdown widget
[21:10] <TheMuso> Riiight.
[21:10] <TheMuso> I.e a custom widget, which means it likely needs some atk code.
[21:10] <TheMuso> *sigh*
[21:10] <AlanBell> yeah
[21:13] <AlanBell> that temp fix works
[21:20] <TheMuso> Yup thought it would.
[21:20] <TheMuso> I'll move the atk bridge file back to where it was for now, till GTK3 is enabled for multi-arch.


[07:45] <FManTropyx> yo
[07:46] <FManTropyx> I'm thinking of setting up a new VPS, but I started to wonder if I should wait 5 months so that I can get it started straight with fresh 18.04
[07:46] <FManTropyx> I know upgrading works, did it from 14.04 to 16.04, but still...
[08:49] <FManTropyx> the spiders crawling through my file server are endless - I thought that they would get satisfied at some point that they have the whole picture :P
[08:50] <FManTropyx> is there some tool that lets me cut through all the noise in Apache's access log to filter in just actual user downloads?
[13:16] <gunix> guys
[13:17] <gunix> i always get annoyed by the weekly kernel updates on ubuntu
[13:17] <gunix> anyway to get kernel updates to be less frequent, debian/centos style, once every 2 months?
[13:51] <rbasak> gunix: you don't *have* to update.
[13:51] <rbasak> You could watch the USNs and make individual decisions on security updates.
[13:51] <gunix> rbasak: is there a way to check if the kernel update is security or not?
[13:52] <gunix> can't apt just say "dude, this is security related, do the update"
[13:52] <gunix> ?
[13:52] <rbasak> https://usn.ubuntu.com/usn/
[13:52] <rbasak> You could add an apt pin to lower the priority of non-security updates I think.
[13:52] <rbasak> apt does know the difference.
[13:53] <rbasak> But I suspect you may find that virtually every kernel update includes security updates, eg. for drivers you aren't using.
[13:54] <rbasak> There's also https://www.ubuntu.com/server/livepatch
[15:12] <tomreyn> ...or drivers you ARE using
[15:13] <tomreyn> gunix: which part annoys you about it? a prompt to install updates, the bandwidth being used during the download, the prompt to reboot after the update succeeded?
[15:14] <tomreyn> oh we'Re talking server here, so no such prompts, i guess. then what is the issue?
[15:14] <gunix> tomreyn: the fact that i always have to reboot the server to stay up to date
[15:14] <gunix> you have to reboot redhat/debian every 2 months, but ubuntu every week
[15:14] <gunix> think about that when running an openstack infrasrtucture
[15:15] <gunix> reboot every node once a week
[15:15] <tomreyn> gunix: well as said before, you don't have to reboot
[15:15] <gunix> yea but security update of kernel won't be applied until you reboot
[15:15] <tomreyn> but if the other distros only ship kernel security updates less frequently it means they are doing a worse job
[15:15] <tomreyn> livepatch was also suggested
[15:15] <gunix> livepatch is risky
[15:15] <gunix> can break the system
[15:16] <tomreyn> not rebooting for security updates is also risky
[15:16] <tomreyn> how can it "break the system"?
[15:18] <tomreyn> if you compare it to other distros which make kernel security patches available less frequently, you really need to see it this way: ubuntu provides you an opportunity (but does not at all require) to have a shorter time-to-patch, i.e. you can close security vulnerabilities faster and thus increase the systems' security overall. you can maker use of it, but you don't have to.
[15:19] <tomreyn> so comparing to the other distros, consider it a free add-on offer.
[15:20] <tomreyn> (or, if you care about security, consider ubuntu to do a better job than the others which did not provide those security patches in a timely manner, keeping your system at risk.)
[15:21] <tomreyn> if patching / maintenances interrupt your service, you should rethink your service architecture
[16:26] <gunix> tomreyn: live migration of instances is not always the best for customers
[16:31] <disposable> i've uninstalled lxd (from xenial-backports) from my test xenial server and it left a sizeable /var/lib/lxd behind. when i try deleting it, i get "/var/lib/lxd/storage-pools/default/images...... Read-only filesystem"  How do i get rid of this directory? i've already dpkg purged everything lxc/lxd related.
[17:38] <disposable> and i don't see anything relevant in /proc/mounts
[17:54] <tomreyn> gunix: yes, sometimes HA is
[18:12] <disposable> nevermind, lxd created those directories as btrfs subvolumes.
[18:14] <MartesZibellina> Hello!
[18:15] <MartesZibellina> I have a problem - my system doesn't recognise my network adapter, TL-WN721N, after the 1st reboot.
[18:16] <MartesZibellina> USB tethering with my phone doesn't work either.
[19:05] <oerheks> MartesZibellina, what does lsusb/lspci say about that wireless TL-WN721N?
[19:26] <MartesZibellina> It IS recognised, but the network manager says "Device not ready".
[20:23] <JanC> MartesZibellina: lsusb/lspci knowing its name doesn't mean there is a driver
[20:26] <JanC> seems like there are at least two different adapters with that name...
[20:26] <JanC> sorry, *five*
[20:27] <JanC> three with Atheros chips and two with Realtek chips
[20:29] <JanC> MartesZibellina: does it tell you what version it is?
[20:29] <JanC> or check what the USB ID is
[20:32] <JanC> the USB ID would look like "0cf3:9170" or "2357:0107"
[20:34] <JanC> the version would likely also be printed on the adapter itself (but might be hard to recognize as such)


[13:42] <brendand> xnox, ping
[13:59] <xnox> !ask | brendand
[13:59] <ubot2> brendand: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[13:59] <xnox> brendand: what's up?
[13:59] <xnox> =))))))
[14:00] <brendand> xnox, this is specifically for you :) i know the irc rules :P
[14:00] <brendand> xnox, anyway - about the udisks2 porting for usb-creator
[14:01] <xnox> brendand: sure. It's just an empty ping.... ok. Let me try this "What can I do for you?" =)
[14:01] <xnox> ah that thing. Yeah.
[14:01] <brendand> xnox, apart from being able to expunge udisks from the cd, what is the benefit?
[14:01] <xnox> brendand: I think I had an action item to look at how checkbox got ported and copy&paste if possible =)
[14:02] <brendand> xnox, yeah that would be one way to approach it
[14:03] <xnox> brendand: well there is no other benefit, apart from udisks doesn't run in my session any more so I can't use usb-creator at all for example....
[14:03] <xnox> brendand: and udisks should drop out of the archive.
[14:03] <xnox> plus usb-creator needs porting to python3.
[14:06] <xnox> brendand: also I'd like to learn/understand dbus, as it's a block box for me. Never coded anything with dbus yet.
[14:06] <brendand> xnox, oh. have fun! :P
[14:07] <brendand> xnox, so how is usb-creator broken in your session? are you using R now?
[14:09] <xnox> brendand: I don't know why, but both in quantal and now in raring I get a popup saying "failed to communicate"
[14:10] <brendand> xnox, it does work for me on quantal. but i installed at alpha3 i think and have been upgrading since
[14:11]  * xnox downgrades to an actual release usb-creator instead of hand compiled
[16:10] <brendand> xnox, hey you know usb-creator-gtk runs with python3?
[16:10] <brendand> xnox, or at least changing the shebang to python3 doesn't cause any significant problems
[16:10] <brendand> well, it starts :)
[16:13] <xnox> brendand: yeah cjwatson ported most of it already. we were waiting on python3-something which is now available.
[16:13] <xnox> brendand: I have packaging changes for python3, but I can't test it on my machine for some reason, need to sort it out.
[16:19] <stgraber> xnox: are you also working on porting it to udisks2?
[16:19] <xnox> stgraber: it is on the table. Why? You want to race in doing it?
[16:20] <stgraber> xnox: hehe, no, busy with other things ;) but it's been crashing for me quite a bit lately and I've spotted some udisks process using 100% CPU in such case so I was wondering if the switch to udisks2 would magically fix it for me :)
[16:21] <xnox> stgraber: well there is a small plan to write a "dd" backend .....
[16:21] <xnox> not sure about persistance though.
[16:21] <stgraber> dd backend would be good for the most common cases though I don't see how it'd work with persistence
[16:21] <xnox> snap =)


[00:36] <Daphko> hello, has anybody a good instruction to setup an mailserver on ubuntu ?
[00:53] <SpamapS> !server-guide
[00:53] <SpamapS> ^server-guide
[00:54] <patdk-lap> !serverguide
[00:55] <SpamapS> Daphko: ^^
[00:55]  * SpamapS wishes bots would just work w/ natural language
[00:58] <patdk-lap> well, atleast it does pat-speak :)
[01:00] <Daphko> thx
[01:16] <level15_> hi, all. I am having massive kernel errors on my linux guests when my host has intensive I/O usage (VM images backup operations). Sometimes, the guest kernel will remount the fs in read only mode, which obviously crashes most of my services. I have been reading and have found that this might be related to host I/O cache, and that it might be a good idea to turn it off by settiong cache=none for all disks of my guests. Is that safe in case of a
[01:16] <level15_> host failure?  Has anyone had the same issue and, if so, how did you solve it? Thanks.
[01:19] <SpamapS> level15_: cache=none is safe, yes.
[01:19] <level15_> SpamapS: thanks
[01:19] <SpamapS> level15_: it may result in slower burst I/O speeds, but thats whats killing you now anyway (lots of bursts that hammer the cache)
[01:19] <sarnold> level15_: that somehow reminds me of https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1064521
[01:21] <level15_> reading...
[01:21] <SpamapS> sarnold: that looks AIO related
[01:22] <level15_> I also read something about setting AIO to threads
[01:22] <sarnold> SpamapS: oh? I may have missed that...
[01:22] <level15_> in KVM
[01:22] <sarnold> SpamapS: does kvm do AIO or async io or mmap or blocking ..?
[01:23] <SpamapS> I don't think it goes through user space..
[01:23] <level15_> the bug report suggest changing the i/o scheduler... that would be on the host, not the guests, correct? And for that to work, I would need to reboot the host. Correct?
[01:23] <SpamapS> sarnold: I don't know enough to answer intelligently tho
[01:24] <SpamapS> looks like you have to pass aio=native to turn on AIO
[01:25] <SpamapS> level15_: no not correct
[01:25] <level15_> I read threads was better than native
[01:25] <SpamapS> level15_: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-change-io-scheduler-for-harddisk/
[01:25] <sarnold> SpamapS: drat :)
[01:25] <level15_> SpamapS: good! thanks!
[01:26] <SpamapS> level15_: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/lnxinfo/v3r0m0/index.jsp?topic=%2Fliaat%2Fliaatbpkvmasynchio.htm
[01:26] <SpamapS> level15_: no hard data there, but "tests show it improves thigns" blah blah
[01:31] <level15_> SpamapS: So i should use a raw device instead of files... I would have liked to know that before i set up my VMs :-S
[01:42] <SpamapS> level15_: thats a pretty common paradigm. Files are only for convenience
[01:48] <sarnold> but man they are convenient. :)
[03:23] <level15_> thanks for your help earlier today.
[03:33] <trimeta> I run a home server, which gives me the landscape-based system info whenever I log in. I like this, but I'd like to configure exactly what landscape shows, rather than just seeing the default info. Is there a way to find a sample /etc/landscape/client.conf (or even a landscape-sysinfo man page) without installing the full landscape-client package which doesn't make any sense with a single-server setup? (E.g., a setup wh
[03:34] <trimeta> Hmm, aptitude show suggests that landscape-client is more about integrating with Ubuntu's cloud infrastructure. I don't want that either; I'm happy to just ssh into my own server. I'd just like to configure what appears when I do so.
[03:42] <tedski> I'm trying to get 12.04 ready for production to migrate our systems off lucid... we use nis netgroups in ldap and i'm noticing a bug in libpam-modules (pam_access.so specifically) 1.1.3-7ubuntu3.  I read that this is fixed in > 1.1.3 but I notice quetzal still has 1.1.3.  I tried quetzal's build anyway, but to no avail.  If i bring in pam_access.so from a 1.1.1 machine (lucid has 1.1.1), it works fine.  What is my best course of action at this point?
[03:42] <tedski> should I build my own package using pam 1.1.5?
[03:42] <tedski> should I roll all systems back to lucid's working version of libpam-modules?
[03:43] <tedski> or is there a more sane way to get an updated version of libpam-modules?
[03:47] <ReekenX> tedski: First question: is mirgration really important or it can just wait?
[03:47] <tedski> it's important
[03:47] <tedski> and a coworker may or may not have already allowed a few precise boxes in prod :(
[03:48] <tedski> hence my penchant for a shitty workaround
[03:50] <ReekenX> Well I don't know maybe others have different opinion, but in your place I would just build my own package and when apt repositories will update you will receive developers build package.
[03:50] <ScottK> tedski: If you can find the exact change from upstream that fixed it, we can get a post-release update done, but in the meantime, if you've tested bringing the lucid package forward and it works in your use case, it's not insane.
[03:51] <tedski> ScottK: yeah, i haven't tested the whole package, just pam_access.so
[03:52] <tedski> ScottK: i'll see if i can find the change in the upstream release
[03:52] <tedski> ReekenX: thanks for the advice, that's what i'll do in the meantime
[04:33] <tedski> hrmm... okay... so it is fixed in Linux-PAM-1.1.5 and the fix is somewhere in here http://paste.ubuntu.com/1286316/
[04:33] <tedski> i'll poke at it a bit more tomorrow and nail down the exact fix
[04:37] <SpamapS> Man, I used to think NIS was dead
[04:37] <tedski> heh
[04:37] <SpamapS> but the number of bug reports I see about it make me think twice
[04:38] <SpamapS> I mean, it is walking dead, no doubt
[04:38] <tedski> it is
[04:38] <tedski> and this is nis migrated to ldap
[04:38] <tedski> yay for legacy
[04:40] <ScottK> tedski: Once you get it nailed down, file a bug with the patch and steps for reproducing the issue.  Then give me a ping with the bug number and I"ll look at getting it in.
[04:40] <tedski> ScottK: sweet.. thanks, will do
[04:41]  * tedski &
[08:43] <chovynz> how do I make functions and where are they stored?
[08:48] <melmoth> chovynz, what do you mean by functions ?
[08:50] <chovynz> alias wouldthiswork='find ~ -name "* *" -type f && $(($(find ~ -name "* *" -type f | wc -l -printf 1+)0))'                 what im trying to do, is list all files that have spaces, then number them. I currently have success. But I want to pass the result of the second find to a variable so I can say echo there are <variable> files that have spaces. Someone suggested I use functions instead of alias
[08:50] <melmoth> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-8.html
[08:52] <chovynz> melmoth: where does the function go? in bashrc or in .bash_aliases ?
[08:53] <melmoth> .bashrc i think
[08:53] <melmoth> or any file you source before calling it
[08:54] <chovynz> .bash_aliases is being sourced anyway, so could I continue to use that but with a function inside, instead of an alias?
[08:57] <melmoth> try :)
[08:57] <chovynz> lol
[09:08] <chovynz> melmoth: -bash: /home/nathaniel/.bash_aliases: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `(' -bash: /home/nathaniel/.bash_aliases: line 1: `spacef() {'      what am i doing wrong? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1286580/
[09:08] <chovynz> oops
[09:09] <melmoth> works here
[09:10] <chovynz> how do you get it to work?
[09:10] <melmoth> i mean i just pasted the function ina file, sourced it and launched spacef
[09:10] <chovynz> whats the output?
[09:11] <melmoth> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1286581/
[09:11] <melmoth> it s still running :)
[09:11] <melmoth> i m not sure about what the find is doing
[09:11] <melmoth> but i can call the function all right
[09:12] <melmoth> well, it show the number of file but $spacef is not correctly set
[09:12] <melmoth> it s actually.. not set at all
[09:12] <chovynz> the find is trying to find all files with a space in it,
[09:12] <chovynz> how do i set it lol
[09:13] <melmoth> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1286585/
[09:14] <chovynz> ah
[09:15] <chovynz> $me=dumby. echo chovynz is $me
[09:18] <chovynz> melmoth: i would kiss you even if you were a hedgehog
[09:18] <chovynz> thank you very much
[09:20]  * melmoth think nobody knows you are a dog on the internet :-)
[10:48] <pitti> hello everyone
[10:48] <pitti> I've got a question aboutu charms again
[10:48] <pitti> I checked out jibel's jhbuild charm and was making some edits to it, in particular hooks/install
[10:49] <pitti> (locally, nothing committed to LP)
[10:49] <pitti> I run this as "juju deploy --repository ~/ubuntu/charms local:jhbuild jhbuild-test"
[10:49] <pitti> shoudl this use the actual files in ~/ubuntu/charms/quantal/jhbuild/* ?
[10:50] <pitti> because every time I do this, the thing that lands in the newly created VMs is the old version without my changes
[10:59] <pitti> what does seem to help is to run upgrade-charm afterwards
[10:59] <pitti> I even bumped revision, but it still seems to deploy revision 1
[10:59] <pitti> is that cached somewhere?
[11:04] <melmoth> pitti, i think you need to increment your charm revision file
[11:04] <pitti> that's what I tried after the first failed attempt
[11:04] <pitti> but after bumping it still deployed versino 1
[11:04] <pitti> I now destroyed teh whole env and re-bootstrapping
[11:05] <pitti> melmoth: where in the stack does it cache the old revisions?
[11:05] <melmoth> i have no idea
[11:05]  * melmoth is a juju n00b
[11:05] <pitti> ok, thanks
[11:06] <pitti> destroying env & re-bootstrap helped
[11:07] <pitti> but that can't be the final answer
[12:03] <skaet> hiya,  anyone around that can help us finish off the testing of Ubuntu Server for 12.10?   We've still got some manditory tests that need to be run:  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/240/builds
[12:12] <DevilsOwn> 1
[13:38] <ubsrv> hi, trying to install a packet using ppa geting this probleme , http://pastebin.com/YJFSsWuV
[13:39] <TLoT> is that a private PPA?
[13:40] <TLoT> i'm assuming so since the team its connected to doesnt show for normal people
[13:40] <ubsrv> its open bravo comunity edition for ubuntu servers
[13:41] <TLoT> ubsrv: you sure that ppa link is right?
[13:41] <TLoT> the format returns a 404 when i convert it to its LP link
[13:41] <ubsrv> yes right !
[13:42] <subman> I'm installing Ubuntu Server for the first time and it seems to have stalled after successfully configuring the network.  No error, just a purple screen.
[13:43] <tedski> ubsrv: according to open bravo's documentation... you're using the wrong ppa
[13:43] <TLoT> ubsrv: nnnope.  https://launchpad.net/~openbravoisv fails.  try using ppa:openbravo-isv/ppa instead
[13:43] <tedski> add-apt-repository ppa:openbravo-isv/ppa
[13:43] <TLoT> and you're probably using the wrong ppa if you're using the wrong link
[13:43] <TLoT> which i said already, your link was likely wrong.
[13:43] <tedski> that's from http://wiki.openbravo.com/wiki/Installation/Ubuntu
[13:46] <ubsrv> thx guyz !
[14:10] <jamespage>  bug 1067929
[15:05] <hggdh> matsubara: how's the maas test going?
[15:07] <matsubara> hggdh, bad
[15:07] <matsubara> hggdh, trying to figure out why the nodes are not enlisting at  the moment in the lab
[15:16] <hallyn> SpamapS: hi, could you pls accept https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=lxc  soon?  or if you won't get a chance, lemme know and i may add 2-3 bugs to that queue
[15:25] <hallyn> stgraber: it looks like you haven't merged my github.com/hallyn/lxc with lxc-oracle?  I'm going to push his last patch to there now, so when you do merge it you can get it all at once (in a few mins)
[15:26] <stgraber> hallyn: ok, sounds good
[15:26] <stgraber> hallyn: a bit busy with release, should have time to pull later today or tomorrow
[15:27] <acidflash> ubuntu server 12.04 -> I am trying to add nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces  ; isnt it added like this -> nameserver <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:29] <stgraber> acidflash: dns-nameservers <IP_ADDRESS> <IP_ADDRESS>
[15:30] <acidflash> stgraber: has it changed from nameserver to dns-nameservers ?
[15:31] <SpamapS> hallyn: SRU processing is about 2 weeks behind right now
[15:31]  * SpamapS disappears
[15:31] <stgraber> acidflash: no
[15:34] <hallyn> stgraber: understood, thanks!
[15:38] <hallyn> stgraber: latest patch pushed to staging.oct15.1.d
[15:38] <acidflash> ok i figured that i would just change it in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/tail
[16:31] <anomaly> I have ssmtp setup, where root is sending emails without issue.  what am I missing, because I can not send email as a user.  I get the error "send-mail: Cannot open mailhub:25"
[16:48] <ANDwlkp> what is the best chose bacula, amanda or other system to backup data?
[16:48] <ANDwlkp> do you have any idea?
[17:17] <alysur> hey
[17:17] <alysur> Can someone point me to a channel to help with website troubles running LAMP on ubuntu server?
[17:24] <TheInfinity> heyho
[17:25] <TheInfinity> i have a 64bit system with a cups printing server (via samba). i just upgraded from 10.04 to 12.04. now my 32bit printer driver does not work any more.
[17:25] <TheInfinity> what would be the best way to get it back working (and btw - why did just force install work before - and now it fails?)
[17:26] <RoyK> it fails if there are dependencies that can't be resolved
[17:26] <RoyK> please pastebin errors
[17:27] <TheInfinity> RoyK: just force install results into a dependency problem and into non working filters
[17:28] <TheInfinity> which is trange, in 10.04 everything was ok, also the filters (/usr/lib/cups/filter/
[17:31] <alysur> there can be problems upgrading versions, what method did you use?
[17:31] <TheInfinity> do-system-upgrade
[17:32] <RoyK> or do-release-upgrade
[17:32] <TheInfinity> yea i meant this ;)
[17:32] <TheInfinity> http://pastebin.com/GSTDBruY
[17:33] <alysur> ok good
[17:34] <alysur> lol thats about all i know about upgrading with minimal problems
[17:34] <alysur> still learning what i can.
[17:35] <TheInfinity> alysur: eben zimbra was no problem. upgrade was really, really smoth (when i remember dapper ... huh!). but this printer driver ... huh. -.-
[17:35] <TheInfinity> *even
[17:35] <alysur> anyone able to point me to a channel more appropriate for php parsing problems?
[17:36] <alysur> I often just backup necesary files and then do fresh installs of ubuntu and then reload the data i need back onto the machine, i view it as a safer method
[17:36] <RoyK> TheInfinity: I'd say file a bug, but please set LC_ALL=C before filing it, since not all people understands German ;)
[17:36] <alysur> might just be paranoid though +P
[17:37] <alysur> ich verstehe nicht
[17:38] <TheInfinity> RoyK: the deb is a i386 deb ... which is the problem at all. the main problem is - what's the right way to use 32bit printer drivers in 64bit systems?
[17:38] <sarnold> warum nicht? :)
[17:38] <RoyK> TheInfinity: there seems to be conflicts between libs
[17:39] <alysur> running a 64bit version?
[17:39]  * TheInfinity runs a 64 bit server, yea
[17:39] <alysur> I had problems that i was directed to make sure i downloaded the 32bit libraries
[17:39] <RoyK> does anyone run 32bit OSes anymore? ;)
[17:39] <TheInfinity> RoyK: ... at a server? ;=
[17:39] <alysur> i do, on 32 bit systems =P
[17:39] <RoyK> well, not much choice
[17:40]  * RoyK only has a couple of ARM machines on 32bit
[17:40] <alysur> not a server, that was a desktop enviornment, but i remember having troubles running 32bit applications on a 64bit version
[17:41] <RoyK> alysur: afaics this isn't a 32/64bit problem, but a problem with older libs installed than what's needed
[17:42] <alysur> alrighty, i never did get the 32bit apps running . not really relavent here though
[17:42] <TheInfinity> ok that's scary. first time i tried apt-get -f install's only sollution was to uninstall my driver package. now - i do not think i changed anything - it provides an solution which installs several i386 libs
[17:42] <TheInfinity> wtf Oo
[17:42] <TheInfinity> i dont like different behaviour at same request.
[17:42] <sarnold> TheInfinity: there were a few hours yesterday with busted mirrors; did you perhaps get the "remove" option during those hours?
[17:43] <TheInfinity> sarnold: everything yesterday
[17:43] <TheInfinity> *today
[17:43] <TheInfinity> in the last 6 houres
[17:43] <sarnold> ah, then ignore me again ;)
[17:43] <alysur> ill be back in a short bit here
[17:43] <TheInfinity> sarnold: but thanks, such "minor" issues often have quite unhealthy results :)
[17:44] <sarnold> TheInfinity: yes, I spent half an hour investigating my own local system before questioning the mirrors... hehe.
[17:50] <RoyK> http://www.ubuntu.com/ <-- :D
[17:57] <TheInfinity> wow
[17:57] <TheInfinity> this seems to work
[17:57] <TheInfinity> i have _no_ idea how ubuntu decides that this specific cups filters have to be run in 32bit mode
[17:58] <sarnold> TheInfinity: was the filter produced by xerox or something, and just provided as a binary blob?
[17:58] <TheInfinity> and i habe also no idea why ubuntu offered me this time the 32bit lib solution
[17:59] <TheInfinity> sarnold: binary blob, it's a dell printer which seems to be a relabled fuji xerox
[17:59] <sarnold> hahaha
[17:59] <sarnold> how's that for confusing? :()
[17:59] <sarnold> :)
[18:00] <TheInfinity> i have _no_ idea what dell, xerox and fuji had in mind when they developed this. i hope nothing. i'm afraid it's pure sadism -.-
[18:13] <patdk-wk> well, dell doesn't make anything, it's all rebranded stuff
[18:14] <patdk-wk> well, I guess the do make their motherboards, or have them made for them
[18:22] <RoyK> patdk-wk: Dell has bought a few companies over the time, and thus are making their own things more and more
[18:22] <RoyK> such as EqualLogic SANs
[18:22] <patdk-wk> ya, that is the only oneI can think of
[18:22] <RoyK> which I have begun to get a rather bad feeling about
[18:22] <RoyK> no checksumming, just trusting drives' ECC
[18:22] <RoyK> bad indeed
[18:23] <RoyK> the chance for a checksum collision on most drives are low, said to be 1:10^14 or 1:10^15, in practice perhaps 1:10^12
[18:24] <RoyK> still a high number, unless you have a truckload of drives
[18:24] <RoyK> better use something sane like ZFS :þ
[18:49] <l0p3n> Hello! I am trying to load ubuntu-server iso from grub but I am failing. Could someone please take a look at the commands I'm using and tell me what I'm doing wrong?  http://pastebin.com/4NTFqexJ
[18:55] <sarnold> l0p3n: perhaps a forgotten 'insmod fat'?
[18:55] <sarnold> l0p3n: you also have hyphens before noprompt and noeject -- is that intentional? (unlikely to be related)
[19:00] <TheInfinity> thanks for everything, especially @ RoyK :)
[19:01] <RoyK> :)
[19:07] <l0p3n> sarnold: Oh I see that now. But I did use --noeject and --noprompt in grub. And I have also tried using insmod fat.
[19:09] <l0p3n> sarnold: When I followed the steps in the tutorial using an Ubuntu-desktop image I had no problems booting the image. I just can't understand why I can't do the same thing with a ubuntu-server-image :/
[20:37] <Sentynel> hi folks, just upgraded my ec2 server to 12.10 and it won't boot. I suspect grub is broken; the server starts up but fails EC2's reachability check, and nothing is getting written to /var/log/boot* or anything. I've got the root volume mounted to another ec2 server and chrooted in, but running grub-install fails saying "path /boot/grub is not readable by grub on boot."
[20:38] <Sentynel> I also tried just running update-grub, which ran with no complaints but didn't make any difference
[20:38] <Sentynel> any suggestions?
[20:48] <hallyn> Sentynel: is /boot a different drive?  did you mount it?  any errors upon mounting?  any drives full by chance?
[20:49] <Sentynel> hallyn: no, single volume. I mounted it and chrooted in. there's plenty of space on the drive.
[20:49] <RoyK> call amazon
[21:11] <patdk-lap> hmm, the drive was setup at sector 2048 or higher right?
[21:11] <Sentynel> whatever the amazon defaults are
[21:11] <patdk-lap> I know many people where having issues cause grub breaks the 32k limit now
[21:11] <Sentynel> it's worked fine for the last year and two upgrades
[21:11] <patdk-lap> yes, but you said you upgraded
[21:11] <Sentynel> hrm
[21:11] <patdk-lap> and upgrade from what install would matter
[21:11] <Sentynel> it was originally 11.04
[21:12] <patdk-lap> so it should be, but I can't confirm
[21:28] <chovynz> I have a bunch of music on my server, what can I use to get them served? currently I can access them via http, but that's clunky. What program (on both ends), one that serves, and one that controls or can make their own playlist independantly of other computers?
[21:46] <diogo_79> hi guys
[21:46] <diogo_79> i have install ubuntu server 12.04
[21:47] <diogo_79> and i am having trouble to install modem 56k
[21:47] <diogo_79> is this possible?
[21:47] <diogo_79> i want to use this server has a fax server
[21:47] <diogo_79> but i need to install a modem
[21:48] <diogo_79> i have us robotics cr-21 56k pci
[21:48] <diogo_79> but i cannot get it to work
[21:49] <sarnold> what fails?
[21:49] <dannf> sudo start
[21:49] <dannf> oops
[22:03] <paco1> hello @ll!
[22:04] <paco1> im creating a dns test server with ubuntu server 12.04. I have problems with the new resolvconf configuration. In fact, with ubuntu server 10.04, with the same configs dns files, all works fine
[22:09] <paco1> and i think the problem is resolvconf
[22:10] <paco1> i don't know really how to setup it, meanwhile there are a lot of documentations
[22:13] <paco1> for exemple, what is the difference between dns-search and dns-nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces and search and namserver in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base?
[22:13] <paco1> thamks very much
[22:19] <hallyn> smb`: filed bug 1068365 about the openvswitch problem.  gotta go, bbl.


[02:22] <dchilton> I've a bzr-managed tree that's got years of history.  I'd like to ideally clear out all history before a specific revision # ~ 1 month ago.  Is there a way to do that?  Another option is just to start 'from zero history', with a new/immediate revision.  Is that a (better) option?
[03:06] <quiznilo> ssh-copy-id appears to have locked up!
[03:06] <quiznilo> is that typically a long-running command?
[03:11] <wizonesolutions> I just restored a branch from backup that was a bound branch. The repository got corrupted cuz of a bad disk, so I unbound it. However, bzr status shows all files as new and it doesn't appear to have any revision history. I thought that branches should be able to stand alone? Where are the revisions stored? Maybe I didn't restore something...
[03:24] <wizonesolutions> Oh, and the repository was on a different box, so this was a checkout. I restored just the checkout.
[03:25] <wizonesolutions> Hopefully once I put the new HD in the offending box I'll be able to restore the bad pack to that too and then maybe I can rebind it and reconcile it. I mean, if I was still able to commit (I was) then perhaps I'm OK. But yeah...if anyone has any ideas on what could cause a checkout that is later unbound to be unaware of its own history (it was a heavy checkout)...all ears.
[03:26] <lifeless> wizonesolutions: bzr info -v ?
[03:32] <wizonesolutions> lifeless: http://pastebin.com/YE7vuyyj
[03:35] <lifeless> thanks, trying to bring that up (having some issue, may be local internet)
[03:36] <wizonesolutions> lifeless: If it expires let me know...I set it to 10 mins
[03:39] <lifeless> I can't seem to grab any new tcp connections
[03:39] <lifeless> outside of nz
[04:02] <wizonesolutions> lifeless: pm?
[04:11] <lifeless> sure
[04:11] <lifeless> that should work
[04:23] <lifeless> wizonesolutions: what about 'bzr revision-info'
[04:25] <wizonesolutions> 0 null:
[04:30] <lifeless> hm
[04:31] <lifeless> if you have bzrtools you should be able to run 'bzr heads --all' to find out if the history is locally available
[04:36] <wizonesolutions> "No heads found"
[04:42] <wizonesolutions> It is truly hosed, doctor?
[04:43] <lifeless> sounds like it
[04:43] <lifeless> uhm
[04:43] <lifeless> bzr dump-btree .bzr/repository/pack-names
[04:43] <lifeless> might be a non trivial final check
[04:44] <wizonesolutions> Yep it's empty. Strange. I guess that checkouts aren't as full as I thought when a shared repo is in the mix. Good to know.
[04:45] <wizonesolutions> This taught that me that I should only use shared repos if I plan to put stuff in them that actually will have shared revisions. Otherwise it's a rather undesirable point of failure for several unrelated branches!
[04:45] <wizonesolutions> No pain no gain, eh
[04:45] <wizonesolutions> Good thing for backups
[04:45] <wizonesolutions> Maybe I will be able to recover it on the new HD, fingers crossed
[04:46] <wizonesolutions> It's an old pack that's unreadable so I don't think it's been changed for quite some time...
[04:49] <lifeless> good luck
[17:29] <sobersabre> hi guys.
[17:29] <sobersabre> Is there a diagram/table describing time/size complexity of bzr operations - like adding, checkout, update, etc. ?
[21:04] <lifeless> sobersabre: add should be near instance
[21:04] <lifeless> operations that extract text from the repo need about twice the size of the largest file they extract in memory
[23:14] <poolie> hi all
[23:22] <jelmer> hi poolie
[23:23] <poolie> hi jelmer