[06:29] <bigjools> jtv: can I make a suggestion about your tmpdir fix
[06:30] <bigjools> can we put a base name in the tmpdir so we know what it's there for
[06:30] <jtv> Sure.  There was one before, but I forgot.
[06:31] <bigjools> yeah
[06:31] <bigjools> I just realised it was there before, hadn't got that far
[06:32] <bigjools> oh for side-by-side diffs in LP
[09:21] <bigjools> jtv: can I archive off your "done" cards on kanban?
[09:21] <jtv> bigjools: yes please.
[09:21] <bigjools> done.
[09:42] <rvba> bigjools: allenap: jtv: gmb: I just filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+bug/1366726 about the nodes not getting a static IP address.
[09:49] <jtv> Looking.
[09:50] <jtv> rvba: you mentioned that there was a race condition, right?
[09:53] <rvba> jtv: well, it seems it doesn't happen all the time.  But once the other CI breakage will be fixed, we will know more about the frequency of the problem.
[09:54] <jtv> So more a placeholder than a full bug report for now?
[09:55] <rvba> jtv: indeed
[09:55]  * jtv nods
[09:55] <rvba> jtv: I thought it was critical enough to file a bug as early as possible.
[09:57]  * gmb loves finding Blaswell code that’s untested. Because, Giggles!
[10:24] <gmb> allenap: Moar halp with twisted pls. Whyfore is this happening http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8289294/ with this diff: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8289292/
[10:29] <kickinz1> \o
[10:30] <kickinz1> Hello, how do remove achitectures from maas (to retrieve only i386 and amd64) ?
[10:30] <kickinz1> So import can be faster?
[10:31] <kickinz1> and /var/lib/maas could be smaller (ppa version: 1.6.1+bzr2550+2551+294~ppa0~ubuntu14.04.1)
[10:38] <gmb> allenap: Never mind. Holy duplicated useFixture batman!
[10:43] <kickinz1> using maas $Profile boot-source-selections read $Cluster_uuid 1
[10:44] <kickinz1> had to take cluster_id from webgui, didn't found any other way to get the UUID from cli
[10:44] <kickinz1> and it tells me 'Not Found'.
[10:45] <kickinz1> ok got it sorry,
[10:45] <kickinz1> need to maas $profile boot-source read $cluster_uuid, thne it gives you its "id"
[10:45] <kickinz1> bye
[10:59] <jtv> kickinz1: the CLI is horrible — definitely on the list of things we want to improve.
[11:01] <kickinz1> jtv: thanks for answering, yes cli is not super usable, but I had a conf with arches='*', so near 50Gb of data to download... Maybe it could be insterresting to allow selection of arches within web interface for clusters?
[11:03] <jtv> kickinz1: definitely something we want — our problem is time!
[11:03] <kickinz1> jtv, I understand, not a critic ;)
[11:04] <jtv> No worries. Glad you got this one sorted out.
[11:04] <kickinz1> jtv, first time I used maas was a long time ago, just when it was renamed from Orchestra to Maas, so I can tell that work has been done meanwhile !
[11:05] <jtv> Oo!
[11:05] <jtv> That's a while back.
[11:06] <kickinz1> Yes and replayed with it lately as I changed from company...
[13:17] <gmb> allenap: Halp again… I’m hitting this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8290409/ with this diff: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8290398/. Now, I know that that’s happening because the function is timing out waiting for a connection to the (Mock) region… BUt I don’t know why *that*’s happening.
[13:17] <allenap> gmb: I’ll take a look.
[13:18] <gmb> allenap: Thank you.
[13:19] <gmb> allenap: In turn, I’ll review your branches.
[13:19] <allenap> gmb: Thanks!
[13:27] <allenap> gmb: Don’t use the Clock() first.
[13:28] <gmb> allenap: Okay, what should I do instead? I only use the Clock() as far as creating the ClusterClientService is concerned, and I only need that once I’m in create_node… Should I just do that there?
[13:28] <allenap> Clock is useful for writing tests without the reactor, where you can control the advancement of time and observe what happens, but it essentially detaches code from the reactor.
[13:28] <gmb> Ahh.
[13:29] <gmb> allenap: So can I just use the reactor in create_node and not have to do anything in the test to make it all sane?
[13:29] <gmb> i.e.:
[13:29] <gmb> client_service = ClusterClientService(reactor)
[13:29] <gmb> ?
[13:29] <allenap> gmb: I’m not sure you need the client service anyway; the MockLiveBlah will be arranging for that already.
[13:29] <gmb> ORLY?
[13:30] <gmb> I’ve missed something somewhere…
[13:30] <gmb> allenap: Oh, d'oh!
[13:30] <gmb> getRegionService()
[13:37] <gmb> *Client
[13:37] <gmb> Right, new failures. All good.
[13:40] <allenap> gmb: http://paste.ubuntu.com/8290586/ (needed to provide a response for the CreateNode stub)
[13:40] <gmb> allenap: Fab, ta
[13:43] <gmb> allenap: Remind me, will get_cluster_uuid actually work from within PServ? I know the API credentials stuff doesn’t, but that should, shouldn’t it?
[13:54] <allenap> gmb: It depends on the packaging I think, if pserv is invoked with CLUSTER_UUID set :-/ Not a good answer I know.
[13:54] <gmb> GAAAAH.
[13:55] <gmb> That’s exactly what I was hoping you wouldn’t say :)
[14:36] <allenap> gmb: Actually, it must be okay; lots of other RPC calls use the UUID.
[14:37] <gmb> allenap: Yeah, I saw the same in plugin.py. Cool.


[10:10] <waterdrinkingman> Any one knowing how to set up the xubuntu screensaver so that I don't need to unlock via password after it had been blanking the screen? It would instantly ask me for the passowrd, ideally I would like to aoply a grace period of say 2-3 minutes or so.
[10:35] <waterdrinkingman> In the xfce energy settings, I have already set a delay of 3 minutes, but is disregarding it. For testing, I chose to make the screen go blank after 1minute. But it requires a password to unlock again, even when after 5-6 seconds I move the mouse and the screen unblanks
[13:06] <BT15> Please check CPU details and help me understand if it will support upgarde 64 bit- Xubuntu 20.04. Architecture:        i686CPU op-mode(s):      32-bit, 64-bitByte Order:          Little EndianCPU(s):              4On-line CPU(s) list: 0-3Thread(s) per core:  2Core(s) per socket:  2Socket(s):           1Vendor ID:           GenuineIntelCPU family:
[13:06] <BT15> 6Model:               54Model name:          Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N2600   @ 1.60GHzStepping:            1CPU MHz:             1392.939CPU max MHz:         1600.0000CPU min MHz:         600.0000BogoMIPS:            3191.89L1d cache:           24KL1i cache:           32KL2 cache:            512K


[00:20] <schizoTK> It worked! Got rid of linux-swap, used largest continuous free space, & it installed like a breeze!
[00:20] <schizoTK> Now have 2 separate xubuntu intstallations
[00:21] <schizoTK> I can bork this one & keep my main safe
[00:22] <schizoTK> Anyone have experience compiling a module into the kernel?
[00:30] <schizoTK> Does anyone know if qcserials.c is included in the latest kernel?
[00:36] <schizoTK> =)
[01:05] <itsbrad212> hello
[01:31] <Tonno> can I add applet of gnome on xfce?
[01:45] <Tonno> or there is a way that i can hide the menu that is down of the  xfwm4?
[01:54] <jeb800e123> hello?
[01:55] <tyam> hello
[01:56] <tyam> can someone help me?
[01:56] <cody-somerville> sure
[01:57] <tyam> do you anything about networking?
[02:00] <Legendre> anyone care to speculate on a goofy screen/kb freeze issue? I'm trying to pin down exactly what is happening.
[02:01] <Legendre> what happens: randomly the screen will freeze, but the mouse pointer still works and does not leave trails.
[02:01] <Legendre> the KB also gets locked out at the same time.
[02:01] <tyam> not sure this is my first time in the IRC but its not happing to me
[02:01] <Legendre> if video is playing, the image freezes - but the sound will continue to play fine.
[02:01] <Legendre> tyam: welcome to IRC ;-)
[02:02] <tyam> thank you
[02:02] <tyam> I have a question about networking oh and BTW: im a linux virgin
[02:04] <Legendre> might not be the best place to ask, but you can try.
[02:04] <Legendre> one irc tip: Don't ask about asking ;-)
[02:05] <tyam> huh?
[02:05] <Legendre> just ask, and not too often.. if someone answers, listen carefully.
[02:05] <tyam> oh.. got it
[02:05] <tyam> hmmm... do you know of a good fourm then?
[02:06] <Legendre> just try your question.. I'll do my best to assist you.
[02:09] <tyam> ok.. so I installed Xubuntu last night on an old dell laptop.. xubuntu picked up my wifi card... I try to connect to my Access Point and.. Im prompted to enter my WPA password .... I enter it and then about 1 minute later I have to enter it again each time.... but i never am connected to the internet due to the fact that the laptop does not have an ethernet
[02:10] <Legendre> hm, ok.. here's the deal. Linux et al is a bit shaky with WiFi. And even on some machines where the WiFi is 'pretty damn good' there are problems with WPA.
[02:10] <likemindead> My old Dell laptop can't connect to WPA/2 for instance. :-\
[02:11] <Legendre> I would suggest reverting to WEP on your AP (or no security, just for testing) and trying that.
[02:11] <Legendre> start with no secy. and work up.
[02:11] <tyam> okay.. will do
[02:11] <Legendre> WEP+MAC auth is pretty decent
[02:11] <Legendre> any really, any committed hack will get in one way or another.
[02:11] <tyam> thank you for using your precious time to help me on the IRC
[02:12] <Legendre> also, read up on your driver! See what is known about WPA support
[02:12] <cody-somerville> tyam, can you pastebin /var/log/syslog ?
[02:12] <Legendre> if my time were precious, I'd not be on IRC ;-) But you are very welcome.
[02:12] <tyam> how do I do that?
[02:13] <cody-somerville> tyam, http://pastebin.com
[02:13] <tyam> okay hold on
[02:13] <Legendre> tyam: another thing to help you. Open a terminal, and type tail -f /var/log/syslog
[02:14] <Legendre> leave that term open as you attempt you WPA connections.. see what shows up
[02:15] <tyam> on another fourm I was to dmesg|tail do you want me to pastebin that too
[02:17] <tyam> [ 28.482179] pcmcia_socket pcmcia_socket0: cs: IO port probe 0xc00-0xcf7: clean.
[02:18] <tyam> oh wait how do I use pastebin after I create a post
[02:18] <likemindead> cody-somerville, there's pastebin.ubuntu.org too!
[02:18] <tyam> http://pastebin.com/m4610242d
[02:18] <tyam> i think...
[02:20] <Tonno> there is a way that i can hide the menu that is down of the  xfwm4? (File Edit View Go Tools Help)
[02:21] <Legendre> tyam: that's just showing generic timeouts
[02:22] <Legendre> tyam: try the no secy. thing for now.. see if you can connect.
[02:22] <Legendre> then work up to WEP etc.
[02:23] <tyam> okay will do thank you
[03:29] <hardbop200> hi! what's the proper way to disable gdm from starting on 9.10? update-rc.d -f gdm remove doesn't seem to work...
[03:30] <likemindead> Enable auto-login?
[03:34] <hardbop200> likemindead: no, just stop gdm from starting automatically. I prefer "startx", but I'd rather not remove gdm just in case I need to go back to it at some point.
[08:14] <Guest21138> hi all. where do i find the hard drives under xubuntu?
[08:19] <_Pete_> Guest21138: what do you mean?
[08:25] <Guest21138> well where do i see hard drive configurations under xubuntu, sizes etc.?
[08:28] <_Pete_> sudo fdisk -l
[08:28] <_Pete_> shows all discs and partitions
[08:28] <_Pete_> df -h
[08:28] <_Pete_> shows mounted and usage of them
[08:29] <PRIDE> i'm an ubuntu user interested in the x counter part looking to dig up some info so question: whats the difference between ubuntu and x ubuntu?
[08:30] <_Pete_> PRIDE: gnome vs xfce UI
[08:30] <PRIDE> _Pete_ , kinda new to ubuntu on the whole.....ummm explane plz?
[08:31] <Guest21138> okay but kind of new to linux is there no way to see the different partitions with size info etc like under windows or lxde?
[08:31] <_Pete_> and what's wrong with fdisk -l?
[08:31] <_Pete_> they can be seen from that just fine
[08:32] <Guest21138> yeah but kind of difficult to see which is which for me as newbie, plus want to resize partition
[08:34] <PRIDE> _Pete_ will it run all of ubuntu's programs? like cairo dock, or gnome do, ortuxguitarm pidgin, skype, opera united, cheese, and picasa?
[08:34] <PRIDE> tuxguitar**
[08:35] <_Pete_> dont know about cairo dock if that some gnome thing then not
[08:35] <_Pete_> but normal programs runs just fine be it xubuntu/ubuntu/kubuntu
[08:35] <_Pete_> or what ever linux
[08:36] <PRIDE> mmm...and will it be able to recognise my hp webcam?
[09:58] <Balsaq> hi knome
[09:59] <knome> hello Balsaq
[10:08] <Balsaq> brb...
[10:11] <knome_work> ugh
[10:35] <schizoTK> Hello xubuntu gurus!
[10:35] <knome_work> !hi | schizoTK
[10:36] <schizoTK> Thanks
[10:37] <schizoTK> having no luck connecting via Qualcomm 9212 3g modem
[10:37] <schizoTK> I've got 3 different xubuntu installations for testing now
[10:38] <schizoTK> tried 2 different kernels... No luck...
[10:38] <knome_work> !modem
[10:38] <knome_work> have you read through that?
[10:38] <schizoTK> WWAN modem appears in uninitialized state
[10:39] <schizoTK> I'll go read it ... Thanks!
[10:42] <schizoTK> This modem needs to have firmware loaded to it before it's recognized as a modem
[10:43] <schizoTK> I've got a firmware loader & the pertinent firmware files for my machine
[10:43] <schizoTK> but need to compile qcserials.c into the kernel
[10:44] <schizoTK> I'm wondering how I can determine if usbserials is included in my currently installed kernel?
[10:45] <knome_work> modprobe usbserials
[10:45] <knome_work> i suppose
[10:45] <knome_work> or lsmod even, actually
[10:45] <schizoTK> Cool! I'll try it...
[10:47] <schizoTK> Got a listing of modules from lsmod but no usbserials
[10:48] <knome_work> then it's not included
[10:48] <knome_work> did you try searching if you can install it as package
[10:48] <schizoTK> Not available as a package...
[10:48] <knome_work> http://blog.mypapit.net/2008/05/how-to-use-usb-serial-port-converter-in-ubuntu.html
[10:48] <knome_work> read that?
[10:49] <schizoTK> I tried kuki linux, but no luck there either. I'll go read the link... Thanks.
[10:50] <schizoTK> This modem is built into my laptop. It has a SIM card like a phone.
[10:51] <schizoTK> I've been researching this since April, (off & on)
[10:52] <knome_work> didn't that link have instructions to install usbserials in the kernel?
[10:53] <schizoTK> The link assumes the module is included
[10:54] <schizoTK> I've tried everything except compiling qcserials.c & including it with usbserials into the kernel
[10:55] <schizoTK> The device appears as USB storage until the firmware is loaded
[10:56] <schizoTK> So the uninitialized device shows up as Qualcomm 9211
[10:56] <schizoTK> When initialized, it should show as 9212
[11:00] <schizoTK> Currently tethered to my cell phone
[11:01] <schizoTK> Mobile Broadband works, it's just this modem needs special treatment
[11:01] <knome_work> hmm
[11:02] <schizoTK> I've read through the pertinent threads on http://ubuntuforums.org
[11:04] <schizoTK> http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/gobi_loader/
[11:04] <schizoTK> Check that link
[11:05] <schizoTK> I tried upgrading to 9.10 but had too many problems, including no cell phone connection
[11:05] <knome_work> so have you tried the gobi loader?
[11:06] <schizoTK> I don't have a kernel with the needed module
[11:08] <knome_work> right. i'm not at home at the moment so i can't really look into that
[11:08] <knome_work> :/
[11:09] <schizoTK> I don't know how to compile the module into the kernel
[11:09] <schizoTK> No problem... I at least have net connectivity now!
[11:10] <knome_work> hehe yeah
[11:10] <knome_work> !kernel
[11:10] <knome_work> !modules
[11:10] <knome_work> schizoTK: that one ^
[11:10] <knome_work> schizoTK: does it help?
[11:11] <schizoTK> I'm copying !
[11:11] <schizoTK> Thanks!
[11:14] <schizoTK> It's 1:15 am here... I should go to sleep...
[11:15] <schizoTK> I have all day tomorrow to figure this out...
[11:15] <knome_work> heh
[11:15] <schizoTK> Thanks for your help knome_work, greatly appreciated.
[11:16] <knome_work> schizoTK: no problem. good luck with the modem
[11:32] <theatro> hello
[11:35] <theatro> The "alternate" release means it does not function as a live CD or this info I am reading is BS?
[11:53] <TheSheep> yes, it's just a text-based installer
[11:55] <theatro> ok
[12:05] <MaxFrames> hello. Since I installed 9.10 (and I upgraded Synergy to Synergy+ because the former was repeatedly crashing) the screen saver no longer starts
[12:06] <MaxFrames> I have set it up to start after 1 minute when the computer is idle, and it does not start (it did before with 9.04)
[12:06] <MaxFrames> I guess some process is preventing the computer to idle, maybe synergy+ itself, but i really need it, cannot do without it
[12:07] <MaxFrames> can you suggest a troubleshooting?
[12:31] <MaxFrames> I have killed the synergy task so now the slate is clean, the screensaver is still not running so it must be something else
[12:31] <MaxFrames> any ideas? please?
[12:33] <MaxFrames> if I type "gnome-screensaver-command -a" the screensaver starts
[12:50] <MaxFrames> it seems the bug is known and only affects some xubuntu users: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screensaver/+bug/397892
[12:50] <MaxFrames> the screen saver can be started manually, but the automated power saving settings don't seem to work at all
[12:53] <MaxFrames> it even looks like the bug status is triaged now
[12:54] <MaxFrames> let's hope for a quick fix
[14:32] <Pres-Gas> Good morrow
[14:32] <likemindead> Mornin' Pres-Gas.
[14:33] <Pres-Gas> Put out some mini fires, but now ready to lurk again.
[15:40] <AryehGregor> I just upgraded to 9.10, and now my multiple monitor support seems to have gone weird.  I've used xrandr to set up the monitors, and that worked fine in 9.04, but now only my left-hand monitor seems to work properly.  I can't drag windows all the way into my right-hand monitor, and panels refuse to go there too.
[15:40] <AryehGregor> Any suggestions?
[15:41] <lucijan> hi
[15:41] <AryehGregor> This looks weird, from xrandr: VGA1 connected 1280x1024+1280+0 0mm x 0mm
[15:41] <AryehGregor> 0mm x 0mm?  Don't know if that's normal.
[15:41] <lucijan> i installed a new network interface card and lshw says network (UNCLAIMED) but the right informations, so i guess the right module is not loaded
[15:42] <lucijan> what is the way to rebuild the list of modules loaded at startup?
[15:42] <Pres-Gas> lucijan, look through "dmesg | less" and see if the card gets associated with a driver.
[15:43] <lucijan> also  i have two gdm related questions: (1) is there any way in the PostSession script to know which UID oder user logged out and (2) is there a way to remove the session/keyboard/etc. menu?
[15:44] <AryehGregor> Hmm, no, windows will drag over.  But panels refuse to go to the second monitor.
[15:44] <AryehGregor> In 9.04 I had an option in the panel customization screen for which monitor to put it on.
[15:44] <AryehGregor> FWIW, Applications -> Settings -> Display only recognizes one monitor.
[15:45] <lucijan> Pres-Gas: it seems that indeed 3c59x module is loaded
[15:45] <lucijan> altough neither ifconfig no mii recognize the card
[15:46] <Pres-Gas> ...but did it associate with the card in dmesg, lucijan?
[15:47] <lucijan> running modprobe -v manually says eeprom mac address not valid
[15:49] <lucijan> Pres-Gas, what does the message for an association look like?
[15:50] <lucijan> it says 3COM Pci ... at e0740000
[15:50] <lucijan> (at startup)
[15:50] <lucijan> (in dmesg :)
[15:52] <AryehGregor> Manually restarting xfce4-panel fixed the problem.
[15:56] <cgroza> i am curently stuck in xfce with no panels....how do i make them start help pls
[15:58] <lucijan> cgroza, try rightclick on the desktop -> applications -> settings -> panel
[16:12] <lucijan> Pres-Gas, apperently it was a faulty nw card
[16:14] <patonline_> hello world!
[16:16] <patonline_> sorry for my bad english, but I from Chile
[16:16] <patonline_> i need your help in XFCE Desktop environment
[16:16] <patonline_> because I don't work CTRL + F4 hot key in firefox
[16:16] <patonline_> any idea for this ?
[16:26] <cgroza> hello
[16:26] <patonline_> hello cgroza
[16:26] <cgroza> i cant set 4 virtual desktops
[16:27] <patonline_> press right click in 1 desktop
[16:27] <patonline_> properties
[16:27] <cgroza> i did that
[16:27] <cgroza> but i cant increase the number
[16:27] <patonline_> and set yours desktops
[16:27] <cgroza> i cant change that number
[16:28] <cgroza> i click the up arrow but the number doesnt change
[16:28] <patonline_> you can disable this rights ?
[16:28] <cgroza> its very odd
[16:29] <patonline_> it's mmm...
[16:29] <cgroza> anyone knows a fix?
[16:31] <cgroza> i made it
[16:31] <cgroza> thansk
[16:31] <cgroza> now i have a cube
[16:31] <cgroza> thanks very much
[16:32] <knome> patonline_, what's the key shortcut for ctrl+f4 supposed to be?
[16:32] <patonline_> sorry but I work now
[16:32] <patonline_> :)
[16:32] <patonline_> the hot key is Ctrl + W for firefox
[16:33] <patonline_> but for Zend Studio IDE don't work :(
[16:33] <knome> it works for me
[16:33] <knome> right, so.. you'd like that keycombo to work in zend studio ide?
[16:33] <patonline_> wait... I find for this
[16:35] <knome> !es | patonline_
[16:35] <knome> patonline_, ^ would that be easier? :)
[16:35] <patonline_> :( the IDE don't have configuration of this hot keys
[16:36] <patonline_> muchas gracias ubottu .... esto del inglés aun me complica :P
[16:38] <patonline_> thank for all !!
[17:05] <Freewillie> hi
[17:10]  * Pres-Gas re-reads chat
[17:10] <Pres-Gas> lucijan, good to know!
[17:10] <Freewillie> iits very busy here:P
[17:29] <Freewillie> and even now i am the only one speaking
[17:34] <Freewillie> i think i will leave
[17:34] <Freewillie> bye
[17:42] <schizoTK> Good day xubuntu gurus!
[18:17] <kappabuntu> Any idea why 2.6.31 kernel is sending me to a maintenance shell?? 2.6.28 works fine
[18:19] <t00r> dmesg?
[18:21] <kappabuntu> sorry?
[18:25] <kappabuntu> would this help to fix ?? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8156875
[18:25] <kappabuntu> that's the exact problem I have... I'm not familiar with fstab since this person is using amd64 and I'm on dual xeons
[18:27] <jhb1608> Hello, I need to install In ternet Explorer, because the website says I must use Internet Explorer. I may will sent a complaint to a person, but I don't think they will change it. So what program I needv to get Internet Explorer without Wine in Xubuntu 9.10?
[18:27] <jhb1608> Internet Explorer*
[18:28] <jhb1608> And plus, how do I mount CDs in the easy way? I did the command to mount, but wants to do it in easy and better way.
[18:28] <Sysi> it's M$, fat chance without wine
[18:29] <jhb1608> :|
[18:29] <jhb1608> well I don't think sending a complaint will not work
[18:30] <jhb1608> because most time they did is ignore me
[18:30] <Sysi> good sited work with all browsers
[18:30] <Sysi> *sites
[18:30] <jhb1608> well then I'd suggest ya to try this site: www.ebtaccount.jpmorgan.com
[18:30] <Sysi> if it's just about ie, opera can fool site
[18:31] <jhb1608> I tried Firefox, and it says system isn't avaliable
[18:31] <Sysi> that works fine for me
[18:31] <Sysi> Welcome to EBT Account,
[18:31] <jhb1608> no
[18:31] <jhb1608> try logging in
[18:32] <jhb1608> and it will say system not avaliable
[18:32] <jhb1608> well if you have an account :P
[18:32] <jhb1608> I'll screenshot to prove
[18:32] <Sysi> you could try that opera thing
[18:33] <jhb1608> ok.
[18:33] <jhb1608> if what if opera don't help?
[18:33] <Sysi> portraying ie with that
[18:33] <jhb1608> hm...
[18:34] <jhb1608> I'm on opera.com
[18:34] <jhb1608> I am in download part
[18:34] <jhb1608> but I only see ubuntu, no Xubuntu.
[18:35] <jhb1608> Well?
[18:36] <Sysi> that does'n matter
[18:36] <Sysi> they're totally same for that level
[18:37] <jhb1608> okay.
[18:39] <jhb1608> even I'm an experienced user to 2 versions of Ubuntu, I still ask questions.
[18:40] <jhb1608> Ok, typing the same website
[18:40] <jhb1608> if it don't work, I will mail a complaint
[18:41] <Sysi> opera propably need to set for acting ie
[18:42] <jhb1608> mask or set as IE?
[18:42] <jhb1608> I'm on site setting options now
[18:44] <jhb1608> I went to: Tools>Quick Prefs>Edit Site Prefs> Network
[18:44] <jhb1608> I see opotion Mask as IE OR Idenfity as IE
[18:44] <jhb1608> option*
[18:47] <jhb1608> I will wait all day until anyone respond my question
[18:48]  * jhb1608 rolls his eyes
[18:48] <jhb1608> ok I'l ltry everything
[18:48] <jhb1608> nope.
[18:49] <jhb1608> nope
[18:49] <jhb1608> both options won't work
[18:49] <jhb1608> so Opera is definely out
[18:49] <jhb1608> guess I'll have ot log on my friend's slow laptop
[18:51] <Sysi> i've only tried opera and didn't like it
[18:55] <jhb1608> yeah speed is better, but don't like the looks
[18:57] <jhb1608> it is why I rarely use opera, I use firefox more
[19:01] <jhb1608> guess I'll install IE4linux unoffically.
[19:20] <jhb1608> I still see System not avaliable, even I use internet explorer.
[19:21] <jhb1608> and plus firefox and plus opera
[19:22] <jhb1608> yeah it sounds so crazy
[19:23] <jhb1608> Now I want to try 1 more thing, installing Safari in Xubuntu, but I dunno if it will work
[19:39] <slow-motion> hi
[19:49] <jhb1608> guess I feel ignored.
[19:49] <jhb1608> even the bot told me not to feel ignored.
[19:50] <jhb1608> I still do feel ignored.
[19:52] <jhb1608> it's the truth
[19:52] <jhb1608> :)
[20:03] <wrgb> slow-motion: hi
[20:04] <slow-motion> hi wrgb
[20:04] <wrgb> slow-motion: not much action
[20:13] <alienkid10> how do can I make a graphical environment for a chroot
[20:13] <alienkid10> ?
[20:13] <alienkid10> like is their a guide/walkthough somewhere?
[21:07] <raevol> can we get a ban on Tempoe_?
[21:07] <Tempoe_> neg
[21:07] <likemindead> !ops
[21:08] <raevol> thanks
[21:53] <slow-motion> bye
[22:25] <likemindead> I'm curious, why does Xubuntu, seemingly randomly, ask you for a password to shut down?
[22:27] <cody-somerville> It happens if there is another user logged in or console session open
[22:28] <likemindead> Hmm. I'm the only user & I closed the console.
[22:29] <likemindead> Well, maybe I didn't. I use Tilda (terminal emulator).
[22:40] <Xubuntus> Hi. I'm following the ALSA-guide at http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-hda-intel
[22:40] <Xubuntus> How do I do the part at "Setting up modprobe and kmod support" ?
[22:41] <Xubuntus> There's neither a /etc/modules.conf or a /etc/conf.modules.
[22:42] <slow-motion> re
[22:43] <Xubuntus> re?
[22:48] <Xubuntus> I installed ALSA partially with the previously given guide, and now FLASH doesn't show up in youtube!!
[22:49] <likemindead> Give Linux Mint a try, Xubuntus.
[22:49] <Xubuntus> Why?
[22:50] <Xubuntus> Does it WORK OUT OF THE BOX as it should?
[22:50] <Xubuntus> :)
[22:50] <Xubuntus> So no-one in here installed ALSA before?
[22:50] <likemindead> It may be easier for you.
[22:51] <likemindead> ALSA comes installed in Xubuntu.
[22:51] <Xubuntus> Yeah, but it doesn't work!
[22:51] <likemindead> It does on certain hardware. My wife's laptop loves Xubuntu 9.10 but I had to install PulseAudio on my laptop.
[22:53] <Xubuntus> As I told yesterday, the UbuntuLiveCD works very well with sound. But not the XubuntuLiveCD nor the installed Xubuntu. The STRAAAANGE thing is that, I got the sound to work exacly 23 hours ago. Shut'ed down the computer. Started it today and NO way José - it doesn't work. AGAIN.
[22:54] <Xubuntus> So the problem should not be hardware not being liked by ALSA.  There has to be a way to fix this.
[22:55] <Xubuntus> So...
[22:55] <Xubuntus> I'm following the ALSA-guide at http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-hda-intel
[22:55] <Xubuntus> How do I do the part at "Setting up modprobe and kmod support" ?
[22:56] <Xubuntus> There's neither a /etc/modules.conf or a /etc/conf.modules in the Xubuntu installed system.
[22:56] <Xubuntus> If I just MAKE one up, will that work?
[22:59] <Xubuntus> Good night.
[23:26] <ekix1> hi guys
[23:28] <slow-motion> n8
[23:39] <subspider> guys do you know where pidgin store my conversations??
[23:40] <likemindead> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Pidgin+logs+Ubuntu
[23:47] <cody-somerville> subspider, ~/.purple/logs/
[23:54] <subspider> yea thnks
[23:54] <subspider> thnks alot


[06:45] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project bionic_unstable_breeze-gtk build #273: FAILURE in 5 min 13 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/bionic_unstable_breeze-gtk/273/
[06:45] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project disco_unstable_breeze-gtk build #24: FAILURE in 5 min 17 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/disco_unstable_breeze-gtk/24/
[06:46] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project cosmic_unstable_breeze-gtk build #149: FAILURE in 5 min 47 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/cosmic_unstable_breeze-gtk/149/
[08:11] <sitter> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2019-January/004680.html someone should point out that the reason the tests are rebuilt to begin with is because adt relocates the build tree into a different path than where it was built under which isn't support with cmake in general and only working if the test in fact doesn't inherit that restriction and includes fixture paths at buildtime
[08:11] <sitter> IOW the adt runs are bad because adt is bad
[08:12] <valorie> someone should point that out.... not you?
[08:12] <valorie> it sounds like you know the issue
[08:14] <sitter> I am not on that list, I'd also not be very nice given I wasted days of my life dealing with the stupidity of adt
[08:14] <valorie> :(
[08:18] <acheronuk> Simon was going to maybe reply. I pinged him with Harald's comment anyway
[08:44] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project disco_unstable_breeze-gtk build #25: STILL FAILING in 4 min 40 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/disco_unstable_breeze-gtk/25/
[08:45] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project bionic_unstable_breeze-gtk build #274: STILL FAILING in 5 min 33 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/bionic_unstable_breeze-gtk/274/
[09:21] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project bionic_unstable_breeze build #254: FAILURE in 41 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/bionic_unstable_breeze/254/
[09:23] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project disco_unstable_breeze-gtk build #26: STILL FAILING in 6 min 53 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/disco_unstable_breeze-gtk/26/
[09:23] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project cosmic_unstable_breeze-gtk build #150: STILL FAILING in 6 min 58 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/cosmic_unstable_breeze-gtk/150/
[09:46] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » linode-01 build #2720: SUCCESS in 1 min 2 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=linode-01/2720/
[09:46] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » master build #2720: SUCCESS in 1 min 36 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=master/2720/
[09:49] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » swy-01 build #2720: SUCCESS in 4 min 18 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=swy-01/2720/
[09:57] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project bionic_unstable_breeze-gtk build #275: STILL FAILING in 3 min 36 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/bionic_unstable_breeze-gtk/275/
[10:08] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[10:08] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project cosmic_unstable_breeze-gtk build #151: FIXED in 14 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/cosmic_unstable_breeze-gtk/151/
[10:20] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Yippee, build fixed!
[10:20] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project disco_unstable_breeze-gtk build #27: FIXED in 20 min: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/disco_unstable_breeze-gtk/27/
[10:53] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
 Yeah, this afternoon I plan on writing a detailed rebuttal to that email, even if it's just in general spirit.
[15:45] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » linode-01 build #2721: SUCCESS in 58 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=linode-01/2721/
[15:46] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » master build #2721: SUCCESS in 1 min 4 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=master/2721/
[15:49] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Project mgmt_docker » swy-01 build #2721: SUCCESS in 4 min 11 sec: https://kci.pangea.pub/job/mgmt_docker/label=swy-01/2721/
 Yet another another problem inherited from debian's "bright individuals"
 Many tests can - and should be - executed from debian/rules
 Rik and I discussed that a few months ago, yet we didn't have time to work on it
 good evening everyone btw
[21:52] <Riddell> wall of text for you https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fc8tNkBJtq/
[22:11] <acheronuk> Riddell: sounds quite like some guy on the kubuntuforums. but US have plenty similar to spare like that
[22:11] <Riddell> I only read the last line and decided the rest wasn't too important
[22:13]  * acheronuk admits he did skim read
 MM there are a lot of people using Linux with no real knowledge of it sooo.
 tl;dr: he had some problems, we didn't make it user friendly enough
[22:34]  * ngraham sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/bLhKVEVtKzbeCWQoNQZsKhqK >
 Love the letter from Bill Newhall, he got a proper rant on. Leave it with me I'll email him. This guy could be just what we need in QA
[23:32] -kubuntu-ci:#kubuntu-devel- Starting build #221 for job mgmt_pause_integration (previous build: ABORTED)
 @Sick_Rimmit, Thanks
 👍
[23:40] <acheronuk> plasma beta building in staging
[23:41] <acheronuk> I'll probably have to do some tweaking tomorrow on deps and a few other things


[09:27] <seb128> hey mir team
[09:28] <seb128> unity8 started segfaulting on start in vivid after recent updates
[09:28] <seb128> is that a known issue?
[09:30] <alan_g> seb128: I've just read some emails about it - but otherwise no
[09:30] <seb128> where those emails?
[09:31] <alan_g> seb128: well, actually it's about unity8 crashing on<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:31] <alan_g> "Sanity test results, rtm..."
[09:32] <seb128> oh
[09:32] <seb128> those are random segfaults
[09:32] <seb128> on desktop unity8 session doesn't start anymore at all
[09:32] <anpok_> last week someone said that..
[09:33] <anpok_> i tried to reproduce with a vm.. but could not
[09:48] <seb128> is mir having logs somewhere?
[09:48] <seb128> unity8 is aborting in mir::DefaultServerConfiguration calls this time
[09:53] <alan_g> The mir logs are opt-in I don't know if they're currently turned on for the desktop. (If so, there're probably wherever stdout goes for unity8.)
[09:53] <seb128> how do I opt in?
[09:54] <alan_g> DefaultServerConfiguration is usually only used in setup, do you know which calls are on the stack? Or does it vary?
[09:55] <alan_g> http://unity.ubuntu.com/mir/component_reports.html
[09:57] <seb128> alan_g, http://paste.ubuntu.com/8800848/
[10:00]  * alan_g looks...
[10:08] <alan_g> That is weird. It happens while allocating the memory in which to construct an object. (Which suggests the stack is already screwed.)
[10:11] <alan_g> seb128: this is the current vivid install? I don't have that anywhere yet (not even on a VM)
[10:14] <seb128> downgrading unity8 makes the session work, so maybe an issue in there rather..
[10:14] <seb128> ...
[10:15] <seb128> alan_g, yes, I've my test laptop on vivid, I just dist-upgraded this morning and I get that, downgrading unity8 makes it go away though
[14:45] <mlankhorst> anpok_: hey, does mir support setting arbitrary cursors, and does it have support for input?
[14:48] <anpok_> mlankhorst: havent tried cursors on android, but it ought to work there too?
[14:48] <anpok_> what do you mean by input?
[14:48] <anpok_> as in do we handle input? : )
[14:48] <mlankhorst> on x86
[14:49] <mlankhorst> I'm just curious, since I want to see if I can get a standalone xmir binary working, to understand the api a bit better
[14:49] <mlankhorst> using glamor for accel
[14:51] <mlankhorst> I think it would allow rootless xmir too, which is a todo if i understand it correctly
[14:52] <mlankhorst> but in the cursor API I only see support for default cursor names
[15:56] <racarr> mlankhorst: There are actually someexisting xmir glamor branches...but quite out of date at this point.
[15:57] <racarr> as for cursors /usr/include/mircommon/mir_toolkit/mir_cursors.h
[17:23] <mlankhorst> ah
[17:24] <mlankhorst> racarr: yeah none based on when glamor was moved to xorg-server I guess?
[17:29] <racarr> mlankhorst: Well based on a very early version of that uh
[17:30] <racarr> I guess all the xwayland stuf fhas probablymade it way more straightforward
[17:31] <racarr> I can't actually...find the branch right now...
[17:31] <mlankhorst> yeah
[17:31] <racarr> -.-
[17:31] <mlankhorst> tbh I'm just going to cut and paste the xmir output enumeration crap and figure out how to generate a EGL context from mir. :P
[17:32] <racarr> It used to be a lot more trouble than that because uhhhhh
[17:32] <racarr> well the difficulty whenI did it was that
[17:32] <racarr> glamor didnt use eglSwapBuffers anywhere
[17:32] <racarr> and instead used two egl images of its own ownership
[17:32] <racarr> which it swapped of its own accord
[17:33] <racarr> and then posted to the
[17:33] <racarr> display via secret driver API
[17:33] <mlankhorst> shrug
[17:33] <racarr> which wont work with mir :)
[17:34] <mlankhorst> still don't see eglSwapBuffers anywhere, but can't you hack up glamor anyway? :P
[17:36] <racarr> mlankhorst: Yes
[17:36] <racarr> it didnt end up being totally trivial though...ugahsgahsg need to find the branch aha
[17:36] <racarr> I am 95% sure I sent it to RAOF so I willl ping him this afternoon
[17:36] <racarr> and make sure it gets to you
[17:37] <mlankhorst> ok ty
[17:37] <racarr> I am worried it may only be on my broken ;laptop but I dont think so
[17:37] <racarr> becauseI remember onceI synced it to a tablet via wifi
[17:37] <racarr> so its out there somewhere
[17:42] <mlankhorst> ok