[01:37] <rick_h> infinityplusb: try doing a juju resolved xxxx and such to get it through the error so that it can start the destroy.
[01:37] <rick_h> infinityplusb: if it's on a system where it's the only application on the machine you can remove-machine --force
[01:37] <rick_h> and skip the application side of things
[06:45] <ak_dev> juju remove-application <name> should do
[06:45] <ak_dev> ^infinityplusb
[06:49] <ak_dev> If u want to remove the entire machine, use
[06:49] <ak_dev> juju remove-machine <machine_num> --force
[07:36] <ak_dev> kjackal: are you online now?
[08:02] <kjackal___> ak_dev: I am here!
[08:03] <kjackal___> Could you explain where open_port is failing? I did not get that
[08:03] <kjackal___> ak_dev: ^
[08:03] <ak_dev> kjackal___: Hey!
[08:04] <ak_dev> I tested the charm on CENGN pod, and I had open_port call in the principal master and worker charms
[08:04] <jwd> morning
[08:04] <ak_dev> i will forward you the bundle so you can see for yourself
[08:05] <ak_dev> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Z6EA1mtY/
[08:06] <ak_dev> do change the "gateway-physical-interface" option if you are deploying
[08:07] <ak_dev> kjackal___:
[08:07] <ak_dev> kjackal:
[08:07] <ak_dev> ^^
[08:09] <kjackal___> ak_dev: I am not sure what "on CENGN" refers to. These acronyms do not ring a bell
[08:11] <kjackal___> especially combined with the "pod"
[08:11] <ak_dev> kjackal___: oh sorry, it is this https://wiki.opnfv.org/display/pharos/CENGN+Hosting
[08:11] <ak_dev> something like GCE where we can test the charms
[08:11] <kjackal___> you tested a charm on a pod? We are talking about a kubernetes pod
[08:12] <ak_dev> even I was super confused the first time someone mentioned this
[08:12] <kjackal___> ak_dev: Ah I see now, is it a openstack cloud?
[08:13] <ak_dev> yeah, if I understood it correctly
[08:14] <kjackal___> and you are saying the opn_port does not work if you call it from within a charm but it works if you open-ports from the cli... strange...
[08:14] <ak_dev> oh, no I did not try from cli
[08:14] <kjackal___> do you get anything on the logs?
[08:14] <ak_dev> how do I do that?
[08:15] <kjackal___> juju run --application kubernetes-worker open-port "1234/tcp"
[08:15] <kjackal___> ak_dev: ^
[08:15] <ak_dev> kjackal___: oh okay, i will redeploy and try that and get back to you
[08:15] <ak_dev> :-)
[08:16] <kjackal___> lets see, which charm are you deploying?
[08:16] <ak_dev> the bundle I forwarded you earlier
[08:16] <ak_dev> kjackal___: ^
[08:18] <kjackal___> ak_dev: I do not see open_port on the ovn-5 charm
[08:18] <ak_dev> I put it in the kubernetes-master charm
[08:19] <ak_dev> kjackal___: and the kubernetes-worker charm
[08:21] <kjackal___> ok, I see!
[08:22] <kjackal___> 8080, 6641 and 6642
[08:22] <kjackal___> let me try to deploy
[08:22] <ak_dev> kjackal___: yeah, sure, I too am trying here
[08:24] <ak_dev> kjackal___: is it possible to open_port for a machine rather than an application?
[08:25] <kjackal___> ak_dev: do a juju run --help
[08:25] <kjackal___> there is a --machine option, it should work
[08:26] <ak_dev> kjackal___: oh okay
[08:30] <ak_dev> "juju run --machine 2 open-port "6641/tcp"
[08:31] <ak_dev> says command not found
[08:31] <ak_dev> kjackal___:
[08:31] <kjackal___> probably because you are out of the context of an application...
[08:32] <ak_dev> kjackal___: oh, I don't know what that mean actually, is it that I am not allowed to run such a command on the machine?
[08:33] <ak_dev> the OVN subprdinate charm the principal charm both require the same ports to be open
[08:33] <kjackal___> I _think_ open-port is not in your path if you are not running it within an --application
[08:33] <ak_dev> ah I see
[08:34] <ak_dev> okay so if the subordinate OVN charm requires 6641 to be open and I open it in master, will  that work?
[08:34] <ak_dev> I don't think so, but still asking for confirmation
[08:38] <kjackal___> you would need it open on the workers as well, right?
[08:38] <ak_dev> worker i require only 8080
[08:41] <ak_dev> kubernetes-master : 8080
[08:41] <ak_dev>       ovn : 6641, 6642
[08:41] <ak_dev> kubernetes-worker : 8080
[08:41] <ak_dev>       ovn : 6641, 6642
[08:41] <ak_dev> kjackal___: I think this is what should work
[08:42] <ak_dev> i just modified to have open ports in all three charms according to above, lets see if that helps
[08:53] <jwd> anyone know what a status: unknown means?
[09:02] <ak_dev> jwd: I think that means that the charm did not update its status, but kjackal___ might know better
[09:03] <ak_dev> kjackal__: that did not work
[09:03] <jwd> i do a wild test anyway atm. using lxd on debian to run juju :-)
[09:03] <kjackal__> anything interesting in the logs? Did you see the ports opening?
[09:04] <kjackal__> are you deploying kubernetes on lxd?
[09:04] <ak_dev> nope, its on GCE
[09:04] <ak_dev> should i check /var/log/syslog?
[09:05] <kjackal__> /var/log/syslog and /var/log/juju/unit-?????
[09:06] <kjackal__> jwd: you mean you got an lxd container and inside there you deploy juju?
[09:07] <jwd> no i use juju to create lxd containers for me
[09:07] <kjackal__> jwd: you might find deploying juju through snaps an easier way if you want to move away from ubuntu
[09:07] <jwd> i used snaps
[09:07] <kjackal__> nice!
[09:08] <jwd> running it on debian stretch
[09:08] <jwd> just wondered why the machine states always ends in unknown
[09:08] <jwd> evenn tho all is working
[09:09] <kjackal__> jwd: the machine state is set by the charm. All of the charms you deployed ended on an unknown state? Or was it only one?
[09:10] <jwd> all
[09:10] <kjackal__> that is strange
[09:10] <kjackal__> you would better file a bug
[09:10] <jwd> https://pastebin.com/jfRED3Wd
[09:10] <jwd> just a few things i tested
[09:12] <kjackal__> I think filing a bug and including all the logs is the right way to go
[09:12] <jwd> kk
[09:12] <ak_dev> kjackal__: okay so nothing about opening ports on syslog
[09:12] <ak_dev> and neither see it in juju log
[09:13] <ak_dev> just checked the code, it has the open_port function call
[09:13] <ak_dev> 8080 port opened on both though, verified in the GCE firewall rules
[09:13] <kjackal__> ak_dev: this does not make sense, my deployment on aws did open ports properly
[09:14] <ak_dev> I might be doing something really silly then, I will recheck everything
[09:14] <ak_dev> did kubernetes run on your deployment?
[09:14] <kjackal__> ak_dev: let me see, there must be an open_ports (with an s) call
[09:15] <kjackal__> ak_dev: no it did not work because it did not have easyrsa i think on the bundle
[09:15] <ak_dev> kjackal__: ah no, I have implemented it inside the kubernetes-master charm
[09:15] <ak_dev> if you still have it, could you try "sudo kubectl get pods" on master?
[09:16] <kjackal__> I got a "hook failed: "cni-relation-joined" for ovn:cni"
[09:16] <kjackal__> on the ovn subordinate of the master
[09:16] <ak_dev> oh
[09:17] <ak_dev> let me check
[09:17] <kjackal__> ak_dev: and I have this error in the logs: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/25124335/
[09:19] <ak_dev> kjackal__: what is the gateway-physical-interface you are using?
[09:21] <kjackal__> ak_dev: I did not set one. It is what the smart default  is
[09:23] <ak_dev> looks like I did not use the default right
[09:23] <ak_dev> kjackal__: thanks for pointing out that error though! Seems like the errors dont ever end on this one!
[09:23] <kjackal__> ak_dev: remind me again how to get the proper gateway
[09:25] <ak_dev> ip route | grep default
[09:26] <ak_dev> this should do
[09:26] <ak_dev> kjackal__: ^
[09:28] <kjackal__> ip route | grep default
[09:28] <kjackal__> default via <IP_ADDRESS> dev breth0
[09:28] <kjackal__> And it is the breth0, right ak_dev
[09:28] <kjackal__> ?
[09:29] <ak_dev> kjackal__: did you run it on the node where this charm ran?
[09:29] <ak_dev> cause it creates a new interface with 'br' as prefix
[09:30] <kjackal__> yes
[09:31] <ak_dev> kjackal__: so i guess your interface should be eth0
[09:31] <ak_dev> kjackal__: but its strange that it created the interface, since it should not after you got that error
[09:31] <ak_dev> I too am confused now
[10:09] <BlackDex> Hello there, i currently have a HA Juju env, but i need to remove two of those nodes and i'm currently not able to create a new node for more HA
[10:09] <BlackDex> What is the best way to undo the HA of juju, and keep just one running?
[12:12] <rick_h> BlackDex: what cloud is this?
[12:44] <BlackDex> what cloud?
[12:57] <rick_h> BlackDex: what provider? is this on AWS, GCE, an openstack?
[12:57] <BlackDex> ah
[12:57] <BlackDex> maas/openstack :)
[12:57] <BlackDex> i think i have it working btw
[12:57] <BlackDex> :)
[12:57] <rick_h> BlackDex: oh ok awesome
[12:58] <BlackDex> needed to do some manual mongodb stuff
[13:40] <tvansteenburgh> jacekn: mthaddon: you guys want/need to meet? sorry, I got hung up in a sprint session but i'm available now if you want to hangout
[13:41] <tvansteenburgh> or we can just wait til next week, either way is fine
[15:29] <ak_dev> hello, any reason why kube-proxy can fail on kubernetes-worker ?
[15:29] <ak_dev> what I mean by fail is fail to start
[15:31] <ak_dev> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/yWnQ1FoP/
[15:31] <ak_dev> that is what i get
[16:04] <vds> Hi all, suggestion on how to debug a reactive charm that is not registering a nagios hook? here's the reactive module https://paste.ubuntu.com/25126369/ apparently the relations are added correctly but the nagios check is not registered
[16:20] <Budgie^Smore> o/ juju world
[17:50] <rick_h> Reminder juju show in 10minutes
[17:50] <rick_h> Getting stuff setup to chat
[17:56] <rick_h> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lcl51SVX2E for watching and https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/gccrypbjbbbcrniklqvt2gkjcue for chatting live!
[20:41] <ak_dev> hello
[20:42] <ak_dev> one more question guys
[20:42] <ak_dev> does a subordinate charm receive events from the principal charm?
[20:44] <ak_dev> thedac: ^^
[20:45] <thedac> ak_dev: it can if there is a relationship defined and data is passed across that relationship, but that has to be coded.
[20:45] <ak_dev> oh, I have a cni relationship
[20:45] <ak_dev> basically, its kubernetes-cni b/w my charm and kubernetes-master
[20:45] <ak_dev> thedac: ^
[20:46] <ak_dev> but it has to be coded in the relationship you mean?
[20:46] <narindergupta> thedac, can u show any example if there is any?
[20:46] <thedac> ak_dev: yes, the charm has to set something on the relationship and the other side needs to react
[20:47] <narindergupta> ak_dev, in that case you can use the existing event in kubernetes-master and kubernetes-worker
[20:48] <ak_dev> thedac: thanks :-)
[20:48] <thedac> no problem


[00:09] <pmatulis> how do i prevent a kernel from being upgraded?  all the tricks i found via google do not work
[00:10] <pmatulis> (cli please)
[03:19] <bandit63> building 3.15rc1 on ubuntu 14.04 ideas getting error ... /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal: 84: /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal: cannot create /etc/apt/apt.conf.d//01autoremove-kernels.dpkg-new: Permission denied run-parts: /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal exited with return code 2
[03:52] <bandit63> using both  make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd --revision=`date +%m%d%Y` --append-to-version=-`date +%m%d%Y` kernel-image kernel-headers
[03:53] <bandit63> and time fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --revision=`date +%m%d%Y` --append-to-version=-`date +%m%d%Y` kernel-image kernel-headers
[08:29] <tseliot> apw: hey, have you tried the brcmsmac driver in Linux 3.11? Any advantages over the proprietary driver?
[08:29] <tseliot> I'm looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-drivers-common/+bug/1306928
[08:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1306928 in ubuntu-drivers-common (Ubuntu) "Broadcom STA driver gets autoinstalled on BCM4313, where it's no longer needed" [Medium,Triaged]
[09:18] <apw> tseliot, i find for my h/w the wl doesn't work properly, and 'smac is my only option
[09:19] <apw> saucy and later i guess
[09:19] <tseliot> apw: ok, so I guess it wouldn't be such a bad idea to default to the open driver then
[09:20] <tseliot> and to stop autoinstalling the proprietary one
[09:45] <apw> tseliot, for my h/w indeed
[09:48] <tseliot> apw: ok, thanks
[14:52] <jsalisbury> **
[14:52] <jsalisbury> ** Ubuntu Kernel Team Meeting - Today @ 17:00 UTC - #ubuntu-meeting
[14:52] <jsalisbury> **
[16:55] <jsalisbury> ##
[16:55] <jsalisbury> ## Kernel team meeting in 5 minutes
[16:55] <jsalisbury> ##
[19:46] <miseria> "el soñador no es quien sueña un futuro mejor; el soñador es aquel que  descubre que la vida es un lindo sueño" bienvenidos: http://castroruben.com *temo_a_un_ser_sin_rival*
[21:02] <FlacBean02> I'm bisecting a kernel bug at the moment. I just wanted to know if I finish bisecting all commits from Ubuntu-3.11.0-19.33 to Ubuntu-3.11.0-18.32, Am I going towards a new release or older release now?


[00:00] <MK> Hey guys, I need to mount a windows Recovery partition to get at some files, but it seems Dolphin hides those completely by default. Is there a setting to make those visible in dolphin? "Show All Entries" doesn't
[00:01] <clivejo> can't see why it would hide them
[00:03] <MK> I assume to prevent people from breaking things; it's also hiding my dual boot's windows recovery partition (which I don't need to access)
[00:04] <clivejo> Linux doesn't usually do that, it tends to trust the user knows what they are doing!
[00:04] <mattpalermo> MK: I just checked mine, and yea, mine don't show in dolohin either. But I checked the partition manager, and the 'hidden' flag is set on both of those partitions
[00:05] <clivejo> are you able to see the other partitions on the disk?
[00:05] <mattpalermo> I'll see if unchecking that flag does anything.
[00:05] <MK> Yes, and I was able to make a backup of the partition with KDE Partition Manager, it just won't let me mount it
[00:06] <MK> Hm, it doesn't seem to have a hidden flag on it, lemme try setting and then removing that flag
[00:11] <MK> Nothing :(
[00:13] <mattpalermo> Back. Can confirm. Unsetting those flags did nothing.
[00:26] <MK> Hm, well can one of you help me mount it manually?
[00:29] <MK> ah, I got it
[00:30] <mattpalermo> MK: How did you do it?
[00:31] <MK> just made a folder and used sudo mount to mount the partition to it, it didn't complain
[00:31] <MK> (read-only, so I don't break anything :P)
[00:32] <mattpalermo> excellent :) I just managed to do the same thing through the partition manager. Seems to work. Odd that dolphin can distinguish between the many different ntfs partitions.
[00:32] <MK> There might be some hard-coded restriction on listing ntfs RECOVERY or WIN_RE labels
[00:33] <mattpalermo> Perhaps.
[00:40] <mattpalermo> clivejo: Ah, wifi just broke again. Seems like IPv6 didn't help.
[01:37] <sakhd> I change my keyboard layout with alt + shift. I press alt, then shift, and before I key up the shift it's already changed. The correct way is to trigger after I key up the last key. Ho can I change this behavior?
[01:38] <sakhd> in ubuntu it was ok
[06:19] <schnoodles> Since upgrading to kubuntu 17.04 has anyone run into cursor graphic problems? When I hover over certain system elements in draws a box behind my cursor.
[06:34] <valorie> schnoodles: in nvidia?
[06:35] <valorie> I noticed it about 10 days ago
[06:35] <valorie> but I've been using zesty for many months, so it's not that
[06:36] <valorie> and it didn't happen when I moved from nouveau to the blob
[06:36] <valorie> but later
[06:38] <steve-_-[m]> hi all. is there some sort of "about" screen in kubuntu? discover shows installed items but those seem to be packages? I'd like to be able to loot at some info window telling me which kubuntu version is currently installed
[06:41] <mattpalermo> Good question steve. If you look at the /etc/apt/sources.list file it will show you the 'software repositories' you are tracking. I think this is really what determines your 'version'.
[06:42] <steve-_-[m]> so that would be in konsole?
[06:42] <steve-_-[m]> mattpalermo:
[06:44] <mattpalermo> Actually, you could see this information in the Software Center by going into 'Settings'. Don't need to go into the terminal
[06:45] <steve-_-[m]> mattpalermo: "software center" is that "discover"?
[06:45] <mattpalermo> yea
[06:47] <steve-_-[m]> mattpalermo: I am in there. where are the settings? I don#t see any "settings" item. do you mean "configure sources"? http://imgur.com/a/404wH
[06:47] <mattpalermo> You'll see lines that look similar to: "deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ zesty-updates main restricted"
[06:48] <valorie> steve-_-[m]: just type about in krunner
[06:48] <mattpalermo> I think we have different versions of Discover installed. I'm not familiar with that interface.
[06:48] <valorie> krunner is alt and space
[06:49] <valorie> I mean alt key and space key
[06:49] <mattpalermo> valorie: That would be alot simpler :P
[06:49] <steve-_-[m]> valorie: that worked so 16.10 installed. it brought up an "About System" dialog. great. should I be able to find that about item from within the system settings as well?
[06:49] <mattpalermo> Sorry
[06:50] <valorie> if you want just plasma version, it's `plasmashell --version` in the commandline
[06:50] <steve-_-[m]> no overall about is great
[06:50] <valorie> well, every KDE application has help > about
[06:51] <valorie> well, system settings is about KDE settings
[06:51] <valorie> not much to do about Kubuntu, which is a way of providing that software
[06:52] <steve-_-[m]> valorie: so if I want to update to kubuntu 17.04 how would I go about doing that?
[06:52] <valorie> the simplest way is in the commandline
[06:52] <valorie> are you interested in doing it that way?
[06:53] <valorie> but it can be done in Muon or Discover as well
[06:53] <steve-_-[m]> valorie: if it is the easiest way, ok. I always wonder why there is no easy UI for stuff like that. but maybe I am expecting the wrong thing from a linux distro then? ah ok, I guess then I'd prefere Discover. from what I understood Muon would be replaced by Discover.
[06:54] <valorie> well, Muon is a package manager
[06:54] <valorie> Discover is a software store
[06:54] <valorie> so they are different sorts of guis
[06:55] <valorie> personally, I do not like software stores
[06:55] <valorie> but it's a matter of taste
[06:55] <steve-_-[m]> valorie:  I can see why that would be. I'd be interested in learning about the non CLI way which kubuntu things would be the way non-expert end users would take as a route.
[06:56] <steve-_-[m]> *thinks
[06:57] <valorie> sure, I sometimes do it that way, to see how it goes
[06:57] <valorie> steve-_-[m]: here is a step by step: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZestyUpgrades/Kubuntu
[06:58] <valorie> the important part is to do upgrades in 16.10 first
[06:58] <valorie> before beginning the 17.04 upgrade
[06:59] <steve-_-[m]> valorie: yeah I checked for updated in discover and installed everything available. funnily enough this guide falls back to CLI pretty quickly
[07:00] <valorie> it only "falls back" if there is a problem
[07:00] <mattpalermo> I think the guide says that the GUI should offer you a way to upgrade.
[07:00] <valorie> krunner doesn't count as a commandline
[07:00] <valorie> it should, yes
[07:01] <steve-_-[m]> I see no further updates in discover and still am on 16.10, so CLI seems now the next step I guess?
[07:02] <valorie> if there is nothing in that bottom left-hand box where updates show
[07:02] <valorie> you can go to settings > more > check for updates
[07:02] <steve-_-[m]> ok CLI worked
[07:03] <steve-_-[m]> I am not sure, why this is not solvable via easy UI or a store (since one exists).
[07:03] <valorie> well, Muon always works for me
[07:03] <valorie> Discover seems a bit hit or miss
[07:04] <valorie> I tried out the Ubuntu Software Store and found it an unusable mess
[07:04] <steve-_-[m]> it does. hm, from an end user perspective such things are really hard with kubuntu or linux in gerneal
[07:04] <valorie> the old Synaptic worked, but I like Muon better
[07:04] <valorie> well, I'm no coder
[07:05] <valorie> but I prefer the commandline when I know the commands I'm using
[07:05] <steve-_-[m]> choice is great, but telling a user to check out 4-5 update UI solutions of which 3 can be considered unreliable will mean "game over" for many end users
[07:05] <valorie> I used it in windows, and before that CP/M
[07:05] <steve-_-[m]> valorie: mattpalermo thanks for your help. I will keep trying this.
[07:06] <steve-_-[m]> maybe in 2025 we can have seamless updates (:
[07:06] <valorie> I left the Mac world because I don't like *only* point and click
[07:06] <valorie> they are seamless for me!
[07:06] <steve-_-[m]> valorie: I get that, but for many people it is all they can do
[07:06] <mattpalermo> Good luck. Have you considered just doing a fresh install? That's always fun (when installing linux)
[07:06] <valorie> the up-arrow in konsole is just about instant
[07:07] <valorie> mattpalermo: there are times when that is necessary
[07:07] <valorie> but 16.10 > 17.04 should be easy-peasy
[07:07] <steve-_-[m]> valorie: konsole isn't always for end users. if I think about my parents, they would be lost fiddling with CLI, no chance.
[07:07] <valorie> no big changes
[07:07] <valorie> steve-_-[m]: I'm a grandma....
[07:08] <steve-_-[m]> wow, I wish I had a grandma teaching me linux stuff
[07:08] <valorie> heh
[07:08] <mattpalermo> steve-_-[m]: My dad isn't scared of the command line... he's just to lazy to reach the keyboard :P so point and click is important to him too
[07:08] <valorie> that's why I write my blog
[07:08] <valorie> to remember what I learn
[07:09] <mattpalermo> valorie: Too bad you're not a programmer. Then you'd be a hacker grandma!
[07:09] <valorie> heh
[07:10] <valorie> well, my code is english, and at this point in my life, I'm relying on my strengths while continuing to learn new things along the way
[07:11] <valorie> helping the kids in Google Summer of Code is as close as I get
[07:11] <valorie> niters all
[07:13] <mattpalermo> Goodnight valorie!
[07:14] <steve-_-[m]> valorie:  can you link me your blog?
[08:22] <steve-_-[m]> wow, nice changes so far. plasma has matured and discovere received a major cleanup. nice work!
[08:25] <steve-_-[m]> can I remove the messaging app from the task bar in the bottom right?
[08:28] <mattrpalermo> steve-_-[m]: If you right click between the tiny icons, you can open the 'System Tray Settings'. From there you can disable it. I'm not sure if there is an easier way.
[08:28] <steve-_-[m]> mattrpalermo: yep that's now called "task manager settings"
[08:28] <steve-_-[m]> is that the one?
[08:29] <acheronUK> nope
[08:29] <steve-_-[m]> ah got it it's the triangle
[08:29] <steve-_-[m]> and disabled. great. thx mattrpalermo
[08:29] <mattrpalermo> :D Yea, triangle seems easy.
[08:30] <acheronUK> yes, if that is there as stuuf is hidden, then right clicking that triangle expander is usually the easiest way
[08:30] <acheronUK> *there is stuff hidden
[08:32] <acheronUK> steve-_-[m]: hope valorie doesn't mind: http://linuxgrandma.blogspot.co.uk/
[08:36] <mattrpalermo> I know that wasn't directed towards me, but thanks for the link!
[09:10] <steve-_-[m]> acheronUK:  cool, thanks for the link
[09:32] <ddm1> How accessible is Kubuntu for blind Users?
[09:46] <mattrpalermo> ddm1: Interesting question. I wonder if there are any dedicated ubuntu communities for this?
[09:48] <ddm1> I have read that Orca doesn't work with KDE.
[09:49] <mattrpalermo> Are you blind or somebody you know?
[09:49] <ddm1> I'm blind.
[09:53] <mattrpalermo> I would hope that the KDE team put as much effort into accessibilty as they did with the rest of the experience. Perhaps this link will help: https://accessibility.kde.org/
[09:55] <mattrpalermo> From that website, I found two applications. Jovie text to speech system and the Simon speech recognition program.
[09:56] <ddm1> But can i use Jovie as a Screenreader?
[09:59] <mattrpalermo> "Jovie KDE Text-to-Speech is a subsystem within the KDE desktop for conversion of text to audible speech. Jovie is currently under development and aims to become the standard subsystem for all KDE applications to provide speech output."
[09:59] <ddm1> But can I also use brltty under KDE for Braille Output?
[09:59] <mattrpalermo> But if you are familiar with Orca, the wikipedia page claims that it works in KDE as well.
[10:07] <mattrpalermo> I'm not sure ddm1. From what I just read about it, it seems to not be strongly related to any one desktop so I think you should give it a go.
[10:08] <mattrpalermo> It is available in the repository so it should be easy to install.
[10:09] <ddm1> But I want to install Kubuntu first, before installing the Orca and BRLTTY Software.
[10:10] <mattrpalermo> Ahh. So Kubuntu needs to be accessible straight out of the box.
[10:11] <ddm1> Yes.
[10:26] <mattpalermo> #ddm1: Perhaps you could try the #kde-accessibility IRC channel.
[10:26] <mattpalermo> ddm1: Perhaps you could try the #kde-accessibility IRC channel.
[11:13] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[11:13] <mattpalermo> Hello. Seems a bit quiet this time of day.
[11:31] <acheronUK> Yes. the USA is still mostly asleep and the UK is on a bank holiday
[11:45] <mattpalermo> Holiday is already over here in Australia :( back to normal tomorrow.
[11:47] <BluesKaj> Canada is mostly awake, Easter Monday is an optional holiday here
[12:56] <flo__> hello..i need to know the content of /etc/lsb-release file for ubuntu 17.04 as i'm triyng to use the intel drivers update tool under kde neon with kernel 4.10. can someone tell me the contents of that file?
[13:04] <mattpalermo> flo__: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24400573/
[15:33] <sanu01> guy just installed Kubuntu after dumping windows. Kindly how do i install minimize to desktop shortcut?
[15:42] <acheronUK> do you mean 'show desktop' widget?
 Sorry for ask: Does anyone knows what is the best for PDF editor? Combine, delete page, add page, edit text.
[15:51] <sebastian__> hi
[15:52] <sebastian__> I have a problem with amarok. it doesn't  really display the current track applet.
[15:52] <sebastian__> anybody is willing to help me?
[16:03] <faunris> hi all. i'm sorry but. Where is bridge connection type in plasma-nm?!
[16:03] <faunris> Kubuntu 17.04
 Still facing DNS issues with wireless on fresh install of Kubuntu... Any fixes? Restarting network manager does not solve the issue 😡😡😡
[16:37] <user|59069> I have tried booting 17.04 (to install) on 2 devices (CD and Flash drive) on a machine that boots 16.04 just fine, but for some reason 17.04 will not, any issues?
[16:40] <user|59069> shoot nvm, let me try UEFI, and disable legacy
[17:18] <ronnoc> ooh nice new banner on Kubuntu.org :)
 @ronnoc, https://delsalife.wordpress.com/2017/04/16/kubuntu-17-04-banner/
[17:29] <ronnoc> IrcsomeBot1: Yea I saw the post on Planet. Very nice.
[17:30] <clivejo> ronnoc: IrcsomeBot1 is a telegram bridge
[17:30] <clivejo> acheronuk is the one sending the message
[17:45] <ronnoc> oh yea lol. duh :)
[17:52] <ScroopyNoopers> Hey
[18:17] <JonelethIrenicus> can some one help me with some strange graphical issues
[18:17] <JonelethIrenicus> in windows like my chat here, or in kate when i type a new line sometimes i get lines running through the screen
[18:45] <sanu01> acheronUK: its ok i found how to do it
[18:46] <sanu01> how come ifconfig is not installed as default in Kubuntu?
[18:46] <genii> Because it is deprecated now in favour of the "ip" command instead
[18:47] <sanu01> ok. thought of installing net-tools but if ip is there that should be fine.
[18:50] <sanu01> JonelethIrenicus: most prob a graphics card issue
[18:50] <sebastian__> @jonelethIrenicus I had the same today for the first time
[18:50] <JonelethIrenicus> im using the backports ppa
[18:50] <sanu01> anyone with a lenovo laptop with fingerprint enabled?
[18:50] <sebastian__> and my graphic card is just new and working fine
[18:50] <JonelethIrenicus> 1070 here
[18:51] <sebastian__> it's an nvidia right?
[18:51] <sanu01> how do i enable fingerprint login?
[18:51] <JonelethIrenicus> sebastian__: yeah
[18:52] <JonelethIrenicus> it isn't a huge deal just visually not pretty
[18:52] <sebastian__> @JonelethIrenicus I have an amd and the same issues but only once yet
[18:52] <JonelethIrenicus> sebastian__: for me it is only on some applications
[18:52] <sebastian__> *issue
[18:53] <JonelethIrenicus> like the terminal and kate
[18:53] <sebastian__> @JonelethIrenicus I had it in my firefox while scrolling in youtube to the top of the page
[18:54] <JonelethIrenicus> ahh
[18:54] <sebastian__> @JonelethIrenicus no issue here in terminal and kate
[18:55] <JonelethIrenicus> sebastian__: for me the lines appear and disappear when lines move in the terminal
[18:55] <sebastian__> ah ok
[18:55] <genii> sanu01: I did fingerprint reader login before with fingerprint-gui and a bit of tinkerin with PAM, but it might be a simpler now ( that was with 12.04 ). You'll probably still need fingerprint-gui though
[18:55] <sebastian__> @JonelethIrenicus I will look for them the next timne I am using the terminal
[18:56] <sebastian__> @JonelethIrenicus but I can't remember I had them before
[20:37] <nye> Hello, after install the privative drivers for my nvidia card the message " bbswitch: No suitable DSM call found." appears on boot and I can't log in graphical mode, any solutions for these?
[20:37] <nye> this is after a clean install of Kubunu 17.04
[20:41] <valorie> yikes
[20:41] <valorie> I assume you googled that error message and didn't find anything useful?
[20:41]  * valorie goes to refill the coffee cup
[20:42] <nye> yes, I can't find any solutions
[20:43] <BluesKaj> nye: which nvidia gpu?
[20:45] <nye> GeForce GT 740M
[20:46] <BluesKaj> nye:  is this a laptop with hybrid dual gpu system called Optimus?
[20:48] <nye> yes BluesKaj
[20:48] <Sirmaxalot305> so has anybodu noticed anything od about the desktop in the 17.04 release.
[20:48] <BluesKaj> nye:  did you install bumblebee as well
[20:49] <Sirmaxalot305> no i have yet to install any proprietary drivers.
[20:49] <BluesKaj> nye:  and I think the nvidia driver requires nvidia-prime
[20:50] <nye> yes, I tried with the newer version of bumblebee from a ppa
[20:50] <BluesKaj> Sirmaxalot305:  I wasn't answering your question
[20:50] <Sirmaxalot305> sorry :(
 odd?
[20:51] <nye> and with different versions of the package nvidia-3XX
[20:52] <BluesKaj> nye: right, can you get to a tty , ctl+alt+F1-F6 and install nvidia-prime
[20:53] <user|52989> hola
[20:53] <acheronUK> Sirmaxalot305: what is odd?
[20:53] <nye> i tried that too, didn't work BluesKaj
[20:54] <nye> BluesKaj "sudo apt-get install bumblebee bumblebee-nvidia primus linux-headers-generic" this was the last I tried.
[20:54] <genii> bumblebee is deprecated
[20:55] <nye> genii What should I use instead?
[20:56] <genii> nvidia-prime
[20:57] <genii> Development on bumblebee stopped in 2013
[20:58] <BluesKaj> genii:  it's back in a ppa
[20:58] <BluesKaj> nye: https://antergos.com/wiki/hardware/graphics/bumblebee-for-nvidia-optimus/
[21:01] <genii> Meh :(
[21:02] <nye> I'm going to try to delete and blacklist nouveau, probably that is the problem.
[21:02] <genii> After you install nvidia-prime, you get a setting called PRIME Profiles which you can set what GPU to use
[21:03]  * genii wanders off to lock up at work
[21:03] <BluesKaj> installing the nvidia driver automatically removes/blacklists nouveau
[21:08] <nye> I have to go, thank you for your help BluesKaj
[21:10] <alihatap> Hi everyone, I have just switched Kubuntu due to its great support for HiDPI displays. However, now it does not detect my nvidia gtx1050 graphic card. Any help would be very much appreciated.
[21:12] <valorie> what graphics driver are you running, alihatap?
[21:13] <alihatap> nvidia geforce gtx 1050
[21:15] <valorie> !nvidia
[21:15] <valorie> that will have the most up-to-date information
[21:15] <alihatap> Thanks guys, I am checking the links now!
[21:16] <valorie> not a guy, but you are most welcome
[21:22] <BluesKaj> well, time to close up for the day ...take care all
[21:26] <alihatap> @valorie, I used it in a generic way, but I could have been more sensitive
[21:36] <alihatap> Okay, I downloaded and installed this driver http://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/114708/en-us but my graphic card is still not detected in the driver manager
[22:50] <Guest74885> Hi, so I found a major bug in plasma 5.5.5...   the panel settings are discarded on every reboot
[22:50] <Guest74885> what should I do about it?    It's deployed on a system for an old lady that I want to keep it as simple as possible
[22:51] <Guest74885> so everything needs to be the same every time she starts the computer
[23:19] <valorie> Guest74885: in systemsettings, choose "save settings at shutdown" or such
[23:20] <Oderus> hello. does anyone happen to have a link to a list of names for all supported icons in the lastest kubuntu? I can't seem to find anything up to date
[23:21] <acheronUK> plasma 5.5.5 implies 16.04, so adding backports ppa ay help
[23:21] <Guest74885> valorie, the problem is that the panel changes size when the vertical screen resolution changes, and on reboots.
[23:21] <Guest74885> acheronUK, the problem also exists in 5.8.5
[23:22] <Guest74885> I just installed backports... I'm downloading neon now
[23:22] <Guest74885> I want to make all of the config files read only... like a kiosk
[23:22] <Guest74885> so the system won't get goobered with an improper mouse click
[23:23] <acheronUK> never had those issues. something is misconfigured somewhere.
[23:23] <Guest74885> I looked at the plasmashellrc and there were many entries for panel1
[23:24] <Guest74885> acheronUK, I also have the panel on the left... windows can cover
[23:24] <Guest74885> with a quicklaunch just under the grossly oversized K menu
[23:26] <Guest74885> I can live with the sizing error of the widgets but I can't have the panel turn antman size
[23:26] <Guest74885> I'll try to get a screenshot up
[23:28] <Guest74885> how do you do screenshots in irc?
[23:28] <Guest74885> pastebin?
[23:29] <krytarik> !paste
[23:30] <Guest74885> https://bugsfiles.kde.org/attachment.cgi?id=105066
[23:31] <Guest74885> I already have a screenshot in the bug...
[23:31] <Guest74885> I figure that should work
[23:35] <Guest74885> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=378895
[23:41] <Oderus> hello. does anyone happen to have a link to a list of names for all supported icons in the lastest kubuntu? I can't seem to find anything up to date; even an icon making tutorial with an included list or guide for icon naming.. something newer than 2012 heh :)


[05:55] <doko> jbailey: biarch headers are currently installed in /usr/include/ppc64-linux-gnu on powerpc, which is wrong (but currently gcc and glibc are consistently wrong). to change that, I would need a glibc upload moving /usr/include/ppc64-linux-gnu to /usr/include/powerpc64-linux-gnu, but keeping a ppc64-linux-gnu symlink
[05:55] <doko> until the biarch compilers are updated
[05:58] <jbailey> doko: Sure, or we could just ask adam to make sure they go in at the same time and have the right dependancy on one another.
[05:58] <jbailey> That way we don't have a transition headache at all.
[05:59] <doko> doesn't work; I need the dir for building gcc , and can map only one directory (multilibdir -> biarchdir)
[06:00] <jbailey> Meh.  a'ight then.
[06:00] <jbailey> I'll aim for that after UVF, I have a couple things to do before.
[06:03] <doko> ok


[00:42] <dongle> running ubuntu sway remix 22.04 on qemu and it says 'unable to create backend'. anyone know what is wrong?
[00:42] <dongle> cant even load up
[00:59] <dongle> nevermind it was a qemu error
[01:01] <Bashing-om> dongle: :D
[01:03] <dongle> :)
[02:05] <kotgc> Hello, Gparted vs Disks?
[02:05] <xmetal> personal preference i suppose
[02:06] <kotgc> Trying to reformat USB storage and Disks seems not as intuitive as Gparted. Disks showing me options to partition,resize, but no option to just reformat the disk?
[02:07] <kotgc> So I resized the EFI FAT Partition and error: GNU Parted cannot resize this partition to this size.
[02:09] <kotgc> I with Gparted and Disks would have a simple guide on how to easily just reformat and what the different formats are for.
[02:12] <kotgc> My notes show Fat32 works for Linux, Mac and Windows.
[02:25] <kotgc> ...but FAT32 has a 4GB file size limit that can be copied to it. I need to transfer ~1TB?
[02:26] <leftyfb> kotgc: what exactly are you trying to accomplish with this flash drive? What will it be used for?
[02:28] <kotgc> leftyfb, have an old 3TB USB external disk drive, to use as storage for some old analogue video converted to digital.
[02:28] <leftyfb> kotgc: format it as NTFS
[02:29] <kotgc> leftyfb, thx, think I'll use Gparted, Disks isn't intuitive.
[02:30] <kotgc> leftyfb, that's for windows isn't it. I need to view the files on Ubuntu and Mac though?
[02:30] <kotgc> kotgc, moved away from Windows ages ago.
[02:30] <leftyfb> NTFS is supported on all 3 OS's
[02:30] <kotgc> leftyfb, thx :-)
[02:34] <arraybolt3> I'd *personally* use exFAT if I could... but yeah, NTFS should work here.
[02:35] <arraybolt3> and exFAT doesn't like certain filenames.
[02:36] <kotgc> arraybolt3, why exFAT?
[02:36] <arraybolt3> More cross-platform, should be writable from macOS
[02:36] <leftyfb> so is NTFS
[02:36] <arraybolt3> (you can't write to NTFS from macOS without either using experimental options or third-party software)
[02:36] <JanC> so why not use exfat then?
[02:37] <arraybolt3> leftyfb: did something change with the ability to write to NTFS from macOS recently?
[02:37] <arraybolt3> JanC: Why not exFAT? No file permissions, certain filenames can't be used.
[02:37] <arraybolt3> So it depends on what you're doing.
[02:38] <JanC> well, that would be even worse on FAT32
[02:38] <leftyfb> oh, lame. I thought it had write out of the box but I guess not
[02:38] <leftyfb> FAT32 is not good for large drives
[02:39] <kotgc> Thx, NTFS it is, just figuring out Gparted.
[02:40] <JanC> anyway, you'd probably have to install 'exfatprogs' to format as that...
[03:38] <whoaru> yo
[03:38] <whoaru> how are you guys?
[03:59] <Guest92343> hello
[04:07] <gry> Guest92343: hi
[04:07] <gry> Guest92343: how may i help you?
[04:10] <Guest92343> gry: I want to block traffik coming from docker. basically I am making a bot that will execute arbitary commands in a docker, I have hosted the bot in my home network and I don't want other people to scan my homenetwork
[04:24] <gry> Guest92343: sounds like a task for a firewall
[04:25] <gry> Guest92343: do you have a separate interface for docker? perhaps output of command 'ip a'
[04:33] <trollage> Hey 👋
[05:01] <Guest92343> 3: lxcbr0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state DOWN group default qlen ... https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/b55315bc3967498ab49d6f19029bbc06
[05:01] <Guest92343> maybe I should use pastebin
[05:01] <Guest92343> https://0x0.st/HvKw.txt
[05:01] <Guest92343> here
[05:02] <Guest92343> gry:
[09:11] <alocer> Has anyone integrate NDES Server for certificate enrollment to any ubuntu devices?
[10:08] <cxl> Hi all, how can I generate a ~/.ssh/known_hosts entry with the command line only? I'd like to create a known_hosts file to copy over on a new machine so I don't get the prompt to accept the key when a script connects to the ssh server for the first time.
[10:09] <cxl> I'd like the hashed form, like `|1|HbD....|.... ssh-ed25519 AAAAC3...`; not the way it is in the public key
[10:31] <geirha> ssh-keyscan -H host.example.com >> known_hosts
[11:11] <paul424> hello, hello I ve got script xrandr I put it in /etc/xdg/autostart but it doesn't execute ... /etc/xdg/autostart/xrandr-setup-resolution.desktop
[11:12] <paul424> what do I do wrong ... the ls -la list that filename with a colour ... hmmm
[11:14] <gry> can you run it yoursekf manually from a terminal
[11:15] <paul424> gry arght ! those aren't regular shell script files ....
[11:15] <paul424> what shall I do if I have regular X11, xrandr based script which should start after the X11 server starts ?
[11:15] <paul424> where to put the script and hook ?
[11:15] <gry> well, however you are starting it in autostart, start it manually in the same way
[11:16] <gry> arandr can make you a regular shell script file if you like
[11:17] <paul424> gry, WHAAAT ? I have a regular script which only requires sudo ./xrandr.sh "1600 900 60"
[11:18] <paul424> how do I hook that so the other users don't have to run it ...
[11:18] <paul424> :(
[11:20] <gry> add these users to a group like myxrandr
[11:20] <gry> setup passwordless sudo for that group, then it may start working
[11:25] <paul424> oki I have solved that problem ; another one is : how do I make the 5.15 a default kernel loading kernel and not 6.0.* ?
[11:31] <paul424> I mean both are installed , ... how do  I make grub choosing the 5.15 and not the higher version ?
[11:34] <EriC^^> paul424: in /etc/default/grub change GRUB_DEFAULT
[11:34] <paul424> yeah ... so far so good , I have discovered that
[11:34] <paul424> but which one ? the Nth menu entry you mean ?
[11:34] <paul424> would have to restart the computer to see what 's what
[11:34] <EriC^^> GRUB_DEFAULT='Advanced options for Ubuntu>Ubuntu, with Linux 6.2.0-36-generic' for instance
[11:35] <paul424> but it can be a number .. wait I see
[11:35] <EriC^^> paul424: see it in "cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg"
[11:35] <EriC^^> number's change, better to use the name
[11:36] <paul424> oki
[11:36] <paul424> EriC^^++
[11:36] <EriC^^> finally "sudo update-grub"
[11:38] <paul424> yes yes
[11:39] <paul424> oki time to restart keep the fingers crossed
[11:48] <paul424> EriC^^, is such an entry fine  : GRUB_DEFAULT='Ubuntu, with Linux 5.15.0-86-generic'
[11:48] <paul424> also my dvdrom keeps poping off randomly
[11:49] <EriC^^> paul424: can you pastebin 'cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg'
[11:49] <paul424> that's copied and pasted from /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[11:49] <EriC^^> you probably need advanced options>ubuntu, with linux
[11:50] <paul424> anyway here it is
[11:50] <paul424> https://pastebin.com/w58nTwVs
[11:51] <EriC^^> yeah you need advanced options
[11:52] <paul424> oki I set GRUB_DEFAULT = 2
[11:52] <EriC^^> this might work too, GRUB_DEFAULT='gnulinux-5.15.0-86-generic-advanced-81983a02-0f74-46c2-9b01-4b0a6f5415ec'
[11:54] <paul424> that does not work
[11:54] <EriC^^> ...
[11:54] <paul424> sow hat shouled be with that GRUB_DEFAULT
[11:55] <EriC^^> i'm telling you but you keep doing something else
[11:55] <jailbreak> EriC^^: give up then.
[11:55] <EriC^^> EriC^^> this might work too, GRUB_DEFAULT='gnulinux-5.15.0-86-generic-advanced-81983a02-0f74-46c2-9b01-4b0a6f5415ec'
[11:56] <EriC^^> jailbreak: t3aj
[11:56] <jailbreak> ?
[11:56] <paul424>  GRUB_DEFAULT='gnulinux-5.15.0-86-generic-advanced-81983a02-0f74-46c2-9b01-4b0a6f5415ec' this didn't work
[11:57] <EriC^^> paul424: when did you try that? :D
[11:57] <jailbreak> Define "didn't work"
[11:58] <paul424> between lines :D
[11:58] <paul424> between my logins and logouts
[11:58] <paul424> in here :D
[11:58] <EriC^^> ?
[11:58] <paul424> naah only a black screen with white prompt shows up
[11:58] <paul424> but I hope that GRUB_DEFAULT='Advanced options for Ubuntu>Ubuntu, with Linux 5.15.0-86-generic'
[11:59] <paul424> will work this time , right  ?
[12:00]  * paul424 reboots
[12:01] <paul424> oki this time it works , it works
[12:01] <paul424> many thanks for you patience !
[12:02] <paul424> now I only need to enable autologin for xfce4...
[12:02] <gry> :)
[12:02] <gry> how did you solve xrandr problem ?
[12:11] <paul424> oki bye to all
[12:29] <lacrymology> for a while now I've been seeing issues in my browser: rendering glitches, text boxes that sort of "revert back" to a previous content for an instant, the kind of issue that in my experience with other distros usually meant that the compositer was having trouble. I don't know how to debug or fix them, can someone point me in the right direction?
[12:31] <lacrymology> another common one is that if I scroll down while in the middle of a long webpage, and it jumps up before scrolling down, so that I end up further up than I started. This might or might not be after the page structure changed, such as by collapsing some elements (e.g, marking some files as viewed in a github PR)
[12:31] <lacrymology> I'm using chrome
[12:31] <lacrymology> uname -a: Linux hex 5.15.0-47-generic #51-Ubuntu SMP Thu Aug 11 07:51:15 UTC 2022 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:33] <lacrymology> I'm using the -47-generic kernel because whenever I start the latest (51 in 22.04) I get 640x480 on my screen, I've never been able to fix that one either
[13:48] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:00] <BinarySavior> hello, I have a brand new SanDisk Extreme Pro 128G USB flash drive, and when I plug it into my OS I am getting a message from Storage `Device Health Monitoring` application saying, "A device is showing signs of imminent failure"
[14:00] <BinarySavior> how can I dig deeper into this to find the actual signal that is causing this?
[14:01] <leftyfb> BinarySavior: make a backup of the data on that flash drive and prepare to replace it
[14:01] <centHOGG> hiya, SMART drive test
[14:02] <BinarySavior> but it's brand new, leftyfb, I bought this specifically to be my backup usb drive lol
[14:02] <centHOGG> sh$t happens
[14:02] <leftyfb> BinarySavior: good, then it should be under warranty
[14:02] <BinarySavior> is there anything else that could cause this? like undervoltage supplied to the device?
[14:02] <centHOGG> u could try it on another system
[14:03] <leftyfb> BinarySavior: possibly. Do you suspect you pc of having a faulty usb port?
[14:04] <BinarySavior> leftyfb, no this is coming from my monitor which has a USB connection to my computer, I will try another port, but other USB drives work on this port just fine.  However, this new usb drive has an LED on it and I'm wondering if this USB drive wants a little more voltage than other devices I've plugged into my monitor
[14:05] <BinarySavior> little more power*** not voltage
[14:07] <BinarySavior> ok still getting same message when plugged directly into mobo
[14:09] <BinarySavior> I purchased 2 identical USB drives, both brand new, and both are showing the same error
[14:09] <paul424> helllo, I m going absolutly crazy, How I can set the autologin for xfce4 ?
[14:09] <centHOGG> what brand?
[14:09] <BinarySavior> I think this might be software issue
[14:09] <leftyfb> BinarySavior: got another computer/OS to test them with?
[14:10] <BinarySavior> leftyfb, yes, I can test on my laptop with Ubuntu 20.04, FYI I was able to format, partition, and write to this USB drive despite this message
[14:11] <centHOGG> paul424, I do that at xubuntu install for htpc (and the like)
[14:17] <BinarySavior> leftyfb, this must be a Ubuntu Studio issue, trying to perform SMART check automatically when I insert my USB drive, I think because the disk is encrypted, SMART check is failing
[14:17] <BinarySavior> my laptop with Ubuntu 20.04 did not display the same message
[14:19] <BinarySavior> well, actually that might not be true, because I got this popup the first time I inserted the usb drive into my computer, before writing / encrypting anything
[14:19] <leftyfb> BinarySavior: SMART doesn't care about the filesystem, whether it's encrypted or not
[14:19] <BinarySavior> but still, this only happens on my Ubuntu Studio 22.04 Desktop, not my Ubuntu 20.04 laptop
[14:19] <leftyfb> BinarySavior: then maybe the usb ports on your laptop are faulty
[14:20] <BinarySavior> the laptop is the device that's working, the desktop is displaying the warning
[14:20] <leftyfb> sorry, desktop
[14:21] <BinarySavior> when I opened up the disk utility in Ubuntu the SMART check was greyed out for this disk, I was unable to perform a SMART scan on the USB drive
[14:21] <BinarySavior> (on my laptop)
[14:22] <toddc> BinarySavior: smart can be turned off in bios
[14:22] <leftyfb> BinarySavior: maybe try doing a BIOS upgrade on the desktop
[14:24] <BinarySavior> I updated the BIOS earlier this year when I purchased the mobo
[14:24] <leftyfb> see if there's another update
[14:25] <toddc> I would also check bios for power settings I have seen some disabling power settings that may aslo affect usb use
[14:27] <BinarySavior> also worth noting the usb drives I'm having problems with are USB 3.2 (my motherboard supports USB 3.2: MSI MEG Z690 ACE)
[14:28] <BinarySavior> The USB 2.1 drive I also use has no warnings
[14:28] <BinarySavior> Next time I reboot I will check BIOS for anything that stands out at me
[14:31] <BinarySavior> ahh found the smartctl output: https://bpa.st/3GRA
[14:32] <leftyfb> looks like a firmware/BIOS bug to me
[14:35] <toddc> I do have a opinion of SanDisk drives   or should I say I have pile of bad ones to send back
[14:36] <centHOGG> flash drives = bios updates, linux distros and windows
[14:36] <centHOGG> bbout it
[14:46] <AngryTom> I have several Sandisk Extreme drives for backups and installer images.
[14:47] <AngryTom> They are more expensive than a ssd.
[14:48] <centHOGG> i hope they are fast enough
[14:49] <AngryTom> the Extreme Pro are relatively fast
[14:52] <centHOGG> but not as fast as an ssd-on-a-usb3 adapter?
[14:53] <AngryTom> I think not, I have to check that.
[14:54] <centHOGG> yeah, i use an ssd on usb3 alot nowadays, speed
[14:54] <centHOGG> they have nvme on usb3 too
[14:55] <leftyfb> feel free to discuss further in #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:56] <AngryTom> why offtopic, I can put an Ubuntu installer image on it :-)
[14:56] <centHOGG> hehe
[14:57] <Eickmeyer> No
[14:57] <leftyfb> AngryTom: it's not a support topic. Unless you need help putting the installer image on it
[14:57] <AngryTom> I see
[15:08] <jedorf> Hello !
[15:09] <jedorf> I have a little problem, I can't boot my computer, I have an encrypted partition with LVM, and after the grub part, I have: "volume group vgubuntu not found"
[15:09] <jedorf> I checked /etc/fstab, /etc/crypttab /etc/grub/grub.cfg
[15:10] <jedorf> and everything seems normal
[15:11] <jedorf> so, I booted on ubuntu live CD, mount partition, chroot /mnt and I have a warning it don't found "luks-XXXX" when I do "update-initramfs -c -k all"
[15:11] <jedorf> if someone have the solution, I wont refuse
[15:15] <zaggynl> hi jedorf, if I'd have this issue I would likely try these instructions: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/688786
[15:39] <jedorf> zaggynl > ok, I don't have the error on update-initramfs I rebooted and it work ! thank you !
[15:40] <zaggynl> nice
[15:41] <jedorf> the problem was just the name you put in /etc/crypttab "sdb3_crypt UUID=<UUID> none luks,discard" who didn't match the "decrypt" name during the "cryptsetup open /dev/nvme2n1p3 sdb3_crypt" (the name = sdb3_crypt)
[15:43] <jedorf> this is weird initramfs need link the "crypttab" name with the "crypt name of the actual mount"
[16:23] <JanC> USB disks don't always support SMART
[16:34] <BinarySavior> JanC, this one says it supports, and it's actually running and Failing
[16:36] <Jaffo> good morning. i'm going to setup k8s on 4 or 5 hp prodesks we threw away at work.
[16:36] <Jaffo> so all these prodesks have a 256gb nvme and a 1TB ssd. ubuntu server iso does not have zfs only ext4 xfs and btfrs? how should i partition and format the two drives. I won't need a huge /home so whats your take on how you would partition them
[16:37] <Jaffo> should i make the nvme ext4 and mount at /var or /something else and make the 1TB / and format ext4
[16:38] <JanC> but you said: <BinarySavior> when I opened up the disk utility in Ubuntu the SMART check was greyed out for this disk, I was unable to perform a SMART scan on the USB drive
[16:39] <JanC> is that also true on the computer where you didn't get an error?
[16:39] <BinarySavior> JanC, yea I'm not sure why, might be proprietary software pre-installed on the usb drive
[16:41] <JanC> if it doesn't show SMART support there, there are two possible reasons: either the drive doesn't support SMART, or something is too broken for SMART to work (but it should not work at all then)
[16:42] <BinarySavior> JanC, I suspect due to proprietary SanDisk security on the USB drive
[16:42] <JanC> or maybe the "drive" has multiple modes that you need to switch between using special software maybe (so that the actual disk isn't seen until you switch)
[16:43] <JanC> what proprietary security does it have?
[16:43] <BinarySavior> SanDisk SecureAccess TM
[16:44] <BinarySavior> only supported OS are Windows and Mac
[16:46] <ravage> samsung has the same feature. its useless on linux. but smart works fine here
[16:46] <ravage> dotn have a "secure" sandisk device to test
[16:47] <BinarySavior> lsusb I see the device, but smartctl --scan I don't see the device listed
[16:47] <JanC> it seems like it creates a special encrypted folder, so it should not affect operation of the hardware?
[16:49] <JanC> and I think the device doesn't support SMART
[16:49] <JanC> BinarySavior: can you return those devices for being defective?
[16:51] <JanC> I wonder where the errors came from
[16:51] <JanC> if SMART isn't accessible
[16:52] <JanC> where do you see this """when I plug it into my OS I am getting a message from Storage `Device Health Monitoring` application saying, "A device is showing signs of imminent failure" """?
[16:53] <BinarySavior> JanC, it's a popup notification from Ubuntu Studio
[16:53] <BinarySavior> the application has a title "Storage Device Health Monitoring"
[16:55] <JanC> so something in KDE
[16:56] <Jaffo> any suggestions please
[16:57] <BinarySavior> JanC, https://binarysavior.neocities.org/scan
[16:57] <BinarySavior> yes, KDE System Settings Module: Storage Device Health Monitoring
[16:58] <JanC> so it does have very limited SMART...
[16:59] <JanC> I wonder how "Unrecoverable ECC Count" got to 10k sectors
[17:00] <nicoz> +
[17:01] <BinarySavior> let me try running smart on my laptop again
[17:01] <JanC> Jaffo: maybe ask in a channel that is more specific for servers/cloud?
[17:04] <JanC> BinarySavior: one other possibility is that SanDisk uses unusual/non-standard codes for its SMART data, and it's being misinterpreted...
[17:08] <JanC> seems like 234 might not be standardised and/or some hardware manufacturers (ab?)use it for proprietary data?
[17:08] <JanC> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/654973/what-does-uncorrectable-ecc-count-mean/ has a similar issue
[17:09] <BinarySavior> https://bpa.st/2BYA
[17:09] <BinarySavior> maybe because it's nvme, nvme smart-log doesn't display any warnings
[17:09] <JanC> is that the same device?
[17:09] <BinarySavior> JanC, yes
[17:10] <JanC> I didn't know the 'nvme' utility worked for USB devices  :)
[17:11] <JanC> so it might be a false positive
[17:12] <BinarySavior> JanC, https://askubuntu.com/questions/909823/smart-data-self-test-is-greyed-out-in-disks
[17:13] <JanC> that is about SMART not being there at all
[17:14] <BinarySavior> it's talking about it being greyed out, that's how it appeared on my laptop too (running ubuntu 20.04 LTS)
[17:20] <Jaffo> #debian says its not a debian question, go ask in #ubuntu and here says go ask somewhere else. I swear places like this used to be more helpful years ago when I used them
[17:20] <Jaffo> Have a great day everyone. !
[17:20] <jailbreak> !next
[17:21] <jailbreak> Didn't work out the way I wanted it to. Oh well...
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> Jaffo: you're on ubuntu-server?
[17:22] <Jaffo> i'm not on anything i'm trying to partition a system that has two drives, ignore the flavor of linux. so its a 256gb nvme and a 1TB ssd
[17:22] <Jaffo> same issue no matter which linux i use
[17:22] <JanC> Jaffo: I suggested a server/cloud channel because more people there would have experience with this sort of things
[17:23] <Jaffo> theres over 1000 in here and not one has two drives. man I'm a unicorn I guess
[17:23] <JanC> (and if it is linux distro-independent, there is also #linux )
[17:23] <JanC> you want to use it for a specific purpose, which is relevant here...
[17:32] <seere> JanC: so, ask yourself some questions. Where does your installation put which of it's files? Does anything running on it benefit from the extended throughput and IOPS of the NVME? Then put the NVME disk there.
[17:33] <JanC> seere: you mean Jaffo, I presume  :)
[17:33] <seere> JanC: of course ;)
[17:34] <seere> damn autocomplete
[17:36] <seere> Jaffo: so, ask yourself some questions. Where does your installation put which of it's files? Does anything running on it benefit from the extended throughput and IOPS of the NVME? Then put the NVME disk there.
[17:37] <jailbreak> seere: they're in #linux getting help now :-)
[18:50] <Guest77> hello
[18:51] <lotuspsychje> welcome Guest77
[18:56] <de-facto> is there something like a web development group on ubuntu?
[18:56] <de-facto> trying to figure out how to pin down perms for a wsgi app with apache2 (running as www-data)
[18:57] <de-facto> i need to allow rw access for a group of users, i think apache2 does not need to write
[18:57] <de-facto> but of course read
[18:58] <de-facto> hmm maybe could need write, not sure, its a python virtual env
[18:58] <gry> thats an ubuntu question :)
[19:00] <gry> are you gettimg an error message?
[19:00] <de-facto> i mean i can create my own group architecture for this, my question is if there already is a pre-defined solution for that
[19:01] <de-facto> e.g. does ubuntu provide a way to do this or are users supposed to come up with their own solution e.g. creating a "webdev" group or such
[19:01] <de-facto> just want to avoid collisions
[19:16] <JanC> de-facto: there already is the www-data group, of course, but if you need something more fine-grained you'll have to make it yourself, I suppose
[19:18] <de-facto> JanC, what would be the canonical way to do this? chown -R www-data:www-data and join the webdev users to group www-data?
[19:23] <arraybolt3> Principle of least privilege. A user should have as little access as they need to do their job right.
[19:24] <arraybolt3> So whatever configuration does that, is the right one.
[19:24] <JanC> I'm not sure there really is a "canonical way", but maybe check Ubuntu & Debian server/user manuals
[19:25] <JanC> also depends on how much you trust various people   :)
[19:51] <rfm> de-facto, as well as adding the users to www-data and chowning the current thing, make all the directories setgid (chmod g+s); That way if when the devs create new files they get the right group ownership.
[19:58] <de-facto> that is probably a very good idea thanks
[21:45] <Kexoni> hi, I created backup of home directory. If I migrate to another computer with different hardware, is it good option to restore backup of home directory?
[21:47] <mtn_> Kexoni: sure, nothing in your home directory cares about the hardware
[21:48] <Kexoni> thanks mate mtn_
[22:34] <jumpcutking> I'm attempting to supply command arguments in my npm start. It seems only the first argument is accessible. Printing the arguments for the command (using process.argv) "npm start env=this debug" only shows the node process, the script file, and "env=this". Nothing else.
[22:34] <jumpcutking> So sorry wrong chan.
[22:35] <Habbie> no worries, thanks for reporting back on that, i was just wondering about it :D
[22:40] <jumpcutking> It's a node.js command
[23:07] <shaddow> Moin