 @Allen [Hi Guys, what App are you using or suggest using to root Nexus 6p?], did you miss my ping?
 @Allen [Ok, I joined.], ah thanks @dohbee
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[05:50] <ubptgbot> <Sponge Bob> Hello, I got Ubuntu working nicely on my phone but all the apps on the Open Store are suprt outdated. There's no working XMPP client, none of them have been updated since 2019. Is there sources I am missing? Other repos or something?
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 @Sponge Bob [Hello, I got Ubuntu working nicely on my phone but all the apps on the Open Stor …], Lots of the apps have received very recent updates, so saying "all" are is simply not true - but UT could certainly use more developers
 @Sponge Bob [Hello, I got Ubuntu working nicely on my phone but all the apps on the Open Stor …], [Edit] Lots of the apps have received very recent updates, so saying "all" are "outdated" is simply not true - but UT could certainly use more developers.
 @Sponge Bob [Hello, I got Ubuntu working nicely on my phone but all the apps on the Open Stor …], XMPP is currently not well supported in UT.    For messaging - Telegram (using "TELEports"), Signal (using "Axolotl") and Matrix (using "Fluffy Chat") are all better supported.
 What code does one need to know to port and to develop apps for UT?
 @drym4rch0n [What code does one need to know to port and to develop apps for UT?], Guides for porting is at http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html … and … http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/Intro.html … Also http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/halium_9/Halium_9_GSI_porting.html
 @drym4rch0n [What code does one need to know to port and to develop apps for UT?], Guide for developing apps for UT is at https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/appdev/
 Thank you
 @drym4rch0n [Thank you], 👍
 Ubuntu touch mentioned  in 7 alternative mobile OS.😍 https://www.pcmag.com/picks/break-away-from-android-ios-7-free-open-source-mobile-oses-to-try
 @Sanath [Ubuntu touch mentioned  in 7 alternative mobile OS.😍 https://www.pcmag.com/pick …], nice article - thanks for sharing that
[08:33] <ubptgbot> Xaomi Mi note 3 was added by: Xaomi Mi note 3
 @TotalSonic [nice article - thanks for sharing that], Thanks😊
 @Sanath [Ubuntu touch mentioned  in 7 alternative mobile OS.😍 https://www.pcmag.com/pick …], > break away from android … > lineage os
 lol nice article
 @Sanath [Ubuntu touch mentioned  in 7 alternative mobile OS.😍 https://www.pcmag.com/pick …], [Edit] > break away from android … > lineage os and /e/
[09:52] <ubptgbot> <Xaomi Mi note 3> Translate
 @just_carlod [> break away from android … > lineage os and /e/], lol
[09:56] <ubptgbot> <Xaomi Mi note 3> I want to install Ubuntu touch on my mi note 3, is there a way?  i am grateful for your help already
 all devices must be ported to ubuntu touch first, so you cannot install it :(
 [Edit] all devices must be ported to ubuntu touch first, so you cannot install it right now :(
 @Xaomi Mi note 3 [I want to install Ubuntu touch on my mi note 3, is there a way?  i am grateful f …], At the moment it is not possible to install it on Xiaomi mi note 3, you should start the development
 Already a boy has started development but seems to have abandoned him as he is no longer present in the group and groups
 @Xaomi Mi note 3 [I want to install Ubuntu touch on my mi note 3, is there a way?  i am grateful f …], You don't mean "Redmi Note 3" by any chance, do you?
[10:07] <ubptgbot> <Xaomi Mi note 3> I saw Ubuntu port on some devices on youtube, example red mi note 7, I dream of installing it on my device too
[10:07] <ubptgbot> <Xaomi Mi note 3> Xaomi Mi note 3
 @Xaomi Mi note 3 [I saw Ubuntu port on some devices on youtube, example red mi note 7, I dream of …], because it is a compatible device
 These are the current compatible devices … https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
[10:11] <ubptgbot> <Xaomi Mi note 3> My device is not visible in the link, but it is true that there are several models of Xaomi,
 It is not visible in the link because no one has yet worked to make it compatible
[10:18] <ubptgbot> <Xaomi Mi note 3> I understand.  I wish it could be port, I am sorry, but I think that the redmi note 7 has been ported, I am worried that my device will break if I try it, it would be great to see Ubuntu touch on my phone, but for some reason it was disappointing.
 @Xaomi Mi note 3 [I understand.  I wish it could be port, I am sorry, but I think that the redmi n …], why disappointing?
 Anyway, look that there is a lot of work behind each device and work on each device is slow to make everything work
[10:26] <ubptgbot> <Xaomi Mi note 3> Maybe in the future, but I'm impatient, I'd love to try it right now.
 @Xaomi Mi note 3 [Maybe in the future, but I'm impatient, I'd love to try it right now.], Since you are very impatient, make the device compatible
 getting a compatible device might be even better idea
 Mi Note 3 is rather old now
[10:48] <ubptgbot> Thiago Bastos was added by: Thiago Bastos
[10:50] <ubptgbot> <Xaomi Mi note 3> @Unriell [Since you are very impatient, make the device compatible], I can't see that talent in myself right now
[10:50] <ubptgbot> <Xaomi Mi note 3> @NotKit [getting a compatible device might be even better idea], I do not want to incur such an expense for now.
[10:51] <ubptgbot> <Xaomi Mi note 3> @NotKit [Mi Note 3 is rather old now], it still works a lot ...
 Hey!  … which device will bring most love to me with ubuntu touch? thinking about desktop mode and android apps...  … Maby have a Sony xperia X for a good price.....
 Nexus 5
 @DennisSwe [Hey!  … which device will bring most love to me with ubuntu touch? thinking about …], Nexus 5
 @DennisSwe [Hey!  … which device will bring most love to me with ubuntu touch? thinking about …], nexus 5, definitely
 @DennisSwe [Hey!  … which device will bring most love to me with ubuntu touch? thinking about …], Sony Xperia X is here as daily used working. For me is good. BT is not good working.
 Look in the german Sony Xperia X group...
[12:12] <ubptgbot> <Thiago Bastos> Fwd from gerawfgr: ETH 10% discount … contact  https://t.me/divou33
 @Xaomi Mi note 3 [I can't see that talent in myself right now], i can tell you that many porters don't consider themselves "programmers" and started with zero experience :3
 @DennisSwe [Hey!  … which device will bring most love to me with ubuntu touch? thinking about …], android apps are not curently supported fwiw
 I have a Mi Note 3 Pro I recently got
 Pretty beaten up but still works
 insert developers meme … porters,porters,porters,porters,porters,porters,porters,porters,porters,port—
 @Fuseteam [i can tell you that many porters don't consider themselves "programmers" and sta …], I think porting is really scary … I myself have only tried to check the first steps then I found out I needed a of space which my old desktop didn't have so I backed out 😂
 same tbh, i keep saying that but i haven't attempted to port myself yet 😂
 partly because of disk space and partly because i don't have a spare device yet
 @Fuseteam [i can tell you that many porters don't consider themselves "programmers" and sta …], I do have mixed opinion about whether or not you need to know programming in order to port devices though
 No
 many issues can be solved by asking questions in groups/copying solutions from similar devices, but eventually you may get blocked by a problem in components which will require some debugging and at least understanding the code flow
 Idk programming and I can build my own lineage ports
 Pain in the ass for some unsupported devices but
 @NotKit [I do have mixed opinion about whether or not you need to know programming in ord …], Fixing kernel compile errors is much easier if you know C ^^
 compile errors is kind of easiest since compiler will at least tell what and where is wrong compared to dealing with random libhybris crashes
 If mi a2 has andriod 10  can we install ubantu touch with ubports installer??
 better if you downgrade it to 9 with Xiaomi tool first
 @NotKit [compile errors is kind of easiest since compiler will at least tell what and whe …], Yeah but if you dont know what is a header file or how to modify function signature it will still be hard
 @gramnamir [If mi a2 has andriod 10  can we install ubantu touch with ubports installer??], Just flash my custom firmware using a pc, no need to worry about anything
 Yeah but BL needs to be unlocked first
 If it has andriod 9 then it was easy to install ubantu touch by uports only
 @gramnamir [If it has andriod 9 then it was easy to install ubantu touch by uports only], The custom firmware is based on android 9 and has ubtouch system image in it
 So it will downgrade + install ubuntu touch provided that you unlocked bootloader first
 Make sure your lcm panel isn't jdi
 Because ubtouch seems to have graphical issues with it
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 @TemporaryName2 [Make sure your lcm panel isn't jdi], Means
 @NotKit [many issues can be solved by asking questions in groups/copying solutions from s …], i suppose that's true, for some they probably learn just enough to do what they need from porting tho
 everytime morph, a webapp or a webview crashes, I really wish that Xperia X has more RAM 😄 … if only there are higher end UT device in this size...
 @Javacookies [everytime morph, a webapp or a webview crashes, I really wish that Xperia X has …], At least it doesn't take down the whole device that often ;) currently investigating some crashes related to possible hardware/driver bugs.
 But performance will soon be improved thanks to backporting the "schedutil" CPU governor. Together with other changes this will strike a balance between stability and power savings.
 @fredldotme [But performance will soon be improved thanks to backporting the "schedutil" CPU …], Schedutil is supposedly the EAS governor introduced in google pixel
 It's used by more than just Google, it's also now the base for CPU frequency scaling on desktops as well, due to it being influenced by the scheduler. I needed schedutil for frequency setting across CPU boundaries, so the main reason was for stability.
 But the performance gains are impressive, even more so since not all CPU cores are up all the time as they used to.
 @fredldotme [At least it doesn't take down the whole device that often ;) currently investiga …], yeah that's true.  Though like you said sometimes xperia x reboots randmonlye 😅
 @Javacookies [yeah that's true.  Though like you said sometimes xperia x reboots randmonlye 😅], Those reboots I'm tackling atm ;)
 @fredldotme [But performance will soon be improved thanks to backporting the "schedutil" CPU …], I'm excited for that … awesome work, thank you for this wonderful device, I still love it despite some shortcomings. It has been my best UT device so far
 I don't really use my android phone much because of it … only just for messenger … web version of messenger is quite bad sadly especially performance in morphq
 Thanks for the kind words, highly appreciated. I'm hopeful to get it released soon. If not, I might release a test kernel for devel users, so that they can report on regressions.
 Is ubport for xiaomi MiA1 (Tissot) is working ?
 There was a wip at https://github.com/Halium/projectmanagement/issues/84
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 @Javacookies [everytime morph, a webapp or a webview crashes, I really wish that Xperia X has …], i realllllly think something's up with qtwebengine/morph, it wasn't like this in the previous ota
 @fredldotme [But performance will soon be improved thanks to backporting the "schedutil" CPU …], oooh
 @Fuseteam [i realllllly think something's up with qtwebengine/morph, it wasn't like this in …], i earlier i could use 160+ tabs on morph, no crash, no hang, no slowdown on the E5. now? not so much
 @Fuseteam [i realllllly think something's up with qtwebengine/morph, it wasn't like this in …], you mean with qt5.12?
 or OTA-15?
[15:34] <ubptgbot> mnoprasodemegopi was added by: mnoprasodemegopi
 Redmi Note 7 Pro anu updates?
 [Edit] Redmi Note 7 Pro any updates?
 You should have a look here https://forums.ubports.com/category/93/xiaomi-redmi-note-7
 @Javacookies [you mean with qt5.12?], ota 15 didn't crash as often for me, post qt5.12 does afaik
[15:51] <ubptgbot> konstantinti was added by: konstantinti
 I see, I don't know but I feel something's odd with qt5.12.... … btw, looks like the pinephone have it now too.
 yay
 but yeah something feels off, morph is being oom'ed where wasn't oom'ed before
 maybe tis time for me to reset my rootfs yet again 🤔
[16:16] <Beton> Hello, ubports.chat Matrix server is offline from 2 days.
 i though the ubports.chat server was no longer maintained
 yes, I believe it was turned off … I remember they said there was one active member, was that you? 😅
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[16:46] <ubptgbot> <Yuri Bray> Hеllо frіеnds, ЕІоn held Віtсоіn today and made us a pleasant surprіsе)) !!!🤑🤑🤑 … https://bit.ly/3r3rE01
 @Yuri Bray [Hеllо frіеnds, ЕІоn held Віtсоіn today and made us a pleasant surprіsе)) !!!🤑🤑 …], @Flohack spam
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[17:10] <Beton> Javacookies: I haven't seen any server notice that it will be turned off. I'm pretty sure that there was more than one active member. At least my friend was second active member, I also have seen some ubports.chat members on UBPorts Matrix channel.
 registrations were turned off a long time ago
 and that server is also not maintained by ubports foundation
 we aren't trying to host services
 Hmm, guess the server admins never got the notice out... Bad time to give them the boot.
[17:14] <Beton> dohbee: Then who maintains it? I always though that it was official UBPorts Matrix server.
 Some community members who we really appreciated
 @UniversalSuperBox [Hmm, guess the server admins never got the notice out... Bad time to give them t …], or maybe it did, and like on most services, nobody read the service messages?
 Hmm.  Is there a reference halium 9 port anywhere?
[17:46] <ubptgbot> Granville Gutkowski was added by: Granville Gutkowski
 Fwd from TotalSonic: Guides for porting is at http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.html … and … http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/Intro.html … Also http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/halium_9/Halium_9_GSI_porting.html
 Fwd from TotalSonic: Guide for developing apps for UT is at https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/appdev/
 @unriell [Guides for porting is at http://docs.halium.org/en/latest/porting/first-steps.ht …], @Nicktl
 The only problem i now have is that fastboot is incredibly buggy on usb-c with this phone
 My xps 9380 has  no usb ports
 @Beton [dohbee: Then who maintains it? I always though that it was official UBPorts Matr …], No we try to stay out of services as much as possible. its a burden on top of a busy crew. And we also would have to store personal data on our servers for which we do not want to be responsible in case of a data breach. European laws are very str
[19:15] <ubptgbot> ict with GDPR now, and we cannot afford having to pay a fine for not properly storing your data.
[20:54] <ubptgbot> Uncovenant_emmaline was added by: Uncovenant_emmaline
 hi I have a bug with my bluetooth after a keyboard and mouse connexion
 the bluetooth doens't works
 how I can install bluez5
 my conf is Xperia 10 dual sim wth halium GSI and UT
 um i don't think that's as simple as you'd expect
 @golliath51 [how I can install bluez5], UT already uses bluez 5
 and GSI is not officially supported
 but I don't find bluez5 in my phone
 i have blueman only
 uh we do not use blueman at all
 so i guess you are not running UT
 but blueman iirc is just a graphical interface for bluez afaik
 i use this process: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/5452/sony-xperia-10-kirin
 @dohbee [but blueman iirc is just a graphical interface for bluez afaik], Yeah, it's just a GTK interface for manging bluez
 @golliath51 [i use this process: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/5452/sony-xperia-10-kirin], i guess you should ask about the issues with it in that thread then
 but there is no blueman in ubuntu touch
 the phone works but i have some problem
 bluetooth, mms, earphone
 i search
 wait UT uses Bluez 5? i thought there was a project on upgrading Bluez a while ago
 @Fuseteam [wait UT uses Bluez 5? i thought there was a project on upgrading Bluez a while a …], it does. just not the latest version
 @dohbee [it does. just not the latest version], oh i see hmmmm
 @golliath51 [the phone works but i have some problem], the kirin is a port in progress, feel free to ask the porter how you can help fix these issues
 @Fuseteam [the kirin is a port in progress, feel free to ask the porter how you can help fi …], ok but he is busy
 Has anyone here tried out a F(x)tec Pro1 with Ubports installed in real life?
 and its conf is little different
 its a xperia single sim
 @golliath51 [ok but he is busy], that's why i said 'help', if you have contacted him and he hasn't answered you can only wait i suppose
 i wait
 @drym4rch0n [Has anyone here tried out a F(x)tec Pro1 with Ubports installed in real life?], there are a few like i think, i forgot who
 @Fuseteam [there are a few like i think, i forgot who], Do you happen to know whats working and what isn't on that model? I'm thinking about preordering one today. Looks like a really cool device. I can't find anything listing known issues.
 i thought that info was up on devices.ubuntu-touch.io 🤔
 huh guess not
 @Fuseteam [i thought that info was up on devices.ubuntu-touch.io 🤔], I'm on it now and don't see it anywhere.
 weird not even forum links
 @Fuseteam [weird not even forum links], Yea I thought so too. This is usually how I go about judging what phones to order.
 @Fuseteam [weird not even forum links], fxtec.com doesn't seem to list it either.
 hmmm this is really weird to me too, not sure who to ping about this either 🤔
 @Fuseteam [hmmm this is really weird to me too, not sure who to ping about this either 🤔], no worries, I'm sure I'll find it eventually or someone will chime in
 @drym4rch0n [fxtec.com doesn't seem to list it either.], https://store.fxtec.com/ubuntu-touch-for-the-pro1/
 yeah— hm?
 @dohbee [https://store.fxtec.com/ubuntu-touch-for-the-pro1/], fwiw this is the context: https://t.me/ubports/320154
 yeah i don't know
 afaik most everything works, but i think there's an issue with physical keyboard layout
 (only in some cases)
[21:52] <ubptgbot> Csanád Fazekas was added by: Csanád Fazekas
 found this: https://community.fxtec.com/topic/3005-ubuntu-touch-os-for-fxtec-pro1/
 Trying to find out who's porting it and where the notes are so I can follow along. Seems like an amazing phone to have once it's officially supported.
 i think most of the work is done by fxtec themselves
 @dohbee [i think most of the work is done by fxtec themselves], that makes sense
[22:24] <ubptgbot> Dan Man bro was added by: Dan Man bro
 Silly question, how can we take screenshots in UBports ?
 @Oliv' [Silly question, how can we take screenshots in UBports ?], Press Vol-Up & Down simultaneously
 Thanks !
 or hold button in to get the dialog, and select the screenshot option
 @dohbee [or hold button in to get the dialog, and select the screenshot option], Which button?
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/4spdjN0F.jpeg
 Directly from my S7 via matrix :)
 @Oliv' [Which button?], power button
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/m1UTDibJ.jpeg
 what is `sticker`?
 mmm. it was supposed to be a screenshot, but it seems that there is an issue somewhere :)
[22:46] <ubptgbot> RBornDT was added by: RBornDT
 ok well i've deleted them for now :)
 @dohbee [power button], Thanks, easier to do. Yes, thanks, I have a look at this later, I need to get the phone to recognize the sim card before playing with the chat :)


[19:29] <K_Alam> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-calendar/+bug/1667594
[19:30] <K_Alam> Please change the importance of above bug. Thanks


[15:15] <Odd_Bloke> What are the librarian clean up rules?  (i.e. how long should I expect artifacts from a livefs build to stick around for?)
[15:17] <cjwatson_> Odd_Bloke: a day, ish
[15:17] <cjwatson_> for livefses.  it varies
[15:18] <cjwatson> you are expected to download them quickly
[15:20] <Odd_Bloke> cjwatson: Cool.  (We are. :) )


[01:16] <bluesabre> Unit193: FF is the best motivation to start dev work on the cycle
[02:56] <bluesabre> uploaded menulibre 2.0.7 to debian vcs, we might see that sometime this week
[02:56] <bluesabre> was going to write up the request for xfpanel-switch, but pretty tired now, will try to tackle that in the morning
[02:57] <bluesabre> g'night all
[05:50] <Unit193> menulibre 2.0.7-1 uploaded by Sean Davis<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[09:35] <bluesabre> woot
[10:53] <bluesabre> knome, ochosi, Unit193: sound good? http://paste.ubuntu.com/12060892/
[10:56] <knome> bluesabre, s/export these panel/export panel/
[10:56] <knome> but looks good to me
[10:57] <bluesabre> cool
[10:58] <bluesabre> Unit193: care to clean up that packaging so we can submit this a bit later
[10:58] <bluesabre> ?
[10:58] <bluesabre> and as micahg suggested, we should help with the bluez5 migration if we can
[10:59] <bluesabre> in the meantime, it will probably be difficult to get ubuntu-dev attention... sponsor queue is full, gcc5 and bluez5 migrations under way, and FF next week
[11:05] <knome> bbl
[12:15] <flocculant> image boots now
[17:26] <ochosi> bluesabre: that sounds good to me!
[21:03] <ochosi> evening all
[21:13] <knome> hello
[21:25] <Unit193> Because I don't seem to care: https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/debian-cd/xubuntu-core/+merge/267879 - https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/livecd-rootfs/xubuntu-core/+merge/267880
[21:25] <knome> ooh ooh
[21:25] <knome> MPs
[21:26] <ochosi> nice nice, here's hoping micahg will take a look soon :)
[21:26] <Unit193> Meh, they're not the best, but meh.
[21:27] <knome> you always keep the standars up so high for yourself
[21:27] <knome> ...j
[21:29] <Unit193> Eh, I would keep them higher if it was something else. :D
[21:30] <knome> if you are talking about brain surgery, then sure, that's a valid concern..
[21:37] <Unit193> bluesabre: Sure, just need to see it, or have commit access, or whatever the kids do these days.
[22:27] <Unit193> Am I supposed to make upstream changes?
[22:32] <Unit193> bluesabre: I have questions!
[22:48] <bluesabre> Unit193: hihi
[22:49] <bluesabre> what do you need access to?
[22:50] <Unit193> OnlyShownIn → OnlyShowIn, XFCE → XFCE;
[22:50] <bluesabre> oops
[22:54] <bluesabre> updated https://code.launchpad.net/~xfpanel-switch-dev/xfpanel-switch/trunk
[22:54] <bluesabre> you also have access to this branch
[22:54] <bluesabre> gotta go for a bit, bbabl
[22:59] <Unit193> bluesabre: Otherwise, http://paste.openstack.org/show/xdMvS2UFlENnCwz2qF4K/ and new file of debian/upstream/signing-key.asc
[22:59] <Unit193> I was going to ask intent on something too.
[23:52] <jjfrv8> ochosi, the Using Removable Media chapter is ready, so now the first four chapters are reviewable.


[03:57] <sundanse> greetings
[03:59] <sundanse> anyone able to point me in the right direction for changing nautilus background? currently using ubuntu gnome 14.04 and nautilus 3.10
[16:12] <prth> i'm using ubuntu gnome 14.04. whenever my laptop locks, sometimes the wallpaper turns blue. after i log in, the opened app aren't displayed on desktop
[16:12] <prth> even if i close the app & restart it, the app is not visible
[16:13] <prth> only the app's title is shown
[17:07] <Forage> there's something fishy about the displayconfig package in the ppa's
[17:08] <Forage> in stable as well as staging there's "displayconfig 3.10.2-0ubuntu1~trusty1", but if you apply the Trusty filter it is not listed
[17:08] <Forage> The result is the package appearing in the "local or obsolete" section of Synaptic
[17:09] <Forage> is the package still needed for Trusty?
[17:10] <Forage> darkxst: since you added it to the ppa's ^


[00:18]  * rbelem goes home
[00:53] <vorian> wee
[02:18] <shadeslayer> vorian: long time no weee :P
[02:24] <micahg> shadeslayer: mind a PM?
[02:25] <shadeslayer> sure
[02:40] <shadeslayer> great
[02:40] <shadeslayer> we have a kubuntu_kate_initial_preference.patch in kate
[02:40] <shadeslayer> but it's not in the series file
[02:40] <shadeslayer> huzzah
[02:53] <shadeslayer> huzzah
[02:53] <shadeslayer> I made kate build
[03:01] <urlwolf> is there any way we could get kdev-python packaged?
[03:02] <shadeslayer> urlwolf: its on the Blueprint but I guess we just don't have the manpower to handle new packages at the moment
[03:02] <urlwolf> thanks
[03:02] <shadeslayer> urlwolf: see https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-r-kubuntu-packaging
[03:04] <urlwolf> but I don't see it en the blueprint
[03:04] <shadeslayer> hm
[03:04] <shadeslayer> I'm sure I put it there
[03:06] <shadeslayer> urlwolf: fixed
[03:07] <shadeslayer> now encompasses all plugins
[03:24] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Is this fixing the PA stuff for quantal?
[03:24] <shadeslayer> huh?
[03:24] <ScottK> I'd put it in experimental and then updates once you've got itworking.
[03:24] <shadeslayer> PA?
[03:25] <ScottK> Plasma Active
[03:25] <ScottK> [11:01:03] <shadeslayer> ScottK: should I put ktp in kubuntu-updates or backports?
[03:25] <shadeslayer> uh ... I said KDE Telepathy
[03:25] <shadeslayer> not PA
[03:25] <ScottK> OK.
[03:25] <ScottK> I was having trouble following.
[03:25] <ScottK> If this is 0.5.2, I think updates is fine.
[03:26] <shadeslayer> as for PA I'll be putting it in ~kubuntu-active then test on a exo PC and then upload to archives
[03:26] <shadeslayer> cool
[03:26] <ScottK> Excellent.
[03:30] <ScottK> shadeslayer: FYI, I think the new python plugin for kdevelop is not suitable for the archive.  It embeds a modified copy of the python interpreter.
[03:31] <shadeslayer> urlwolf: ^
[03:32] <shadeslayer> and apol_ as well ^
[03:33] <apol_> ScottK: what does it have to do with the packaging? it's an issue we're aware of and that will be solved eventually
[03:33] <apol_> but it doesn't affect the rest of the system
[03:38] <shadeslayer> whaaa
[03:38] <shadeslayer> ../../../../../kate/plugins/pate/src/utilities.cpp:374:71: error: invalid conversion from 'Py_UNICODE* {aka long unsigned int*}' to 'const uint* {aka const unsigned int*}' [-fpermissive]
[03:39] <shadeslayer> oddly enough it built fine in the pbuilder
[03:44] <shadeslayer> amd64 builds though
[03:58] <ScottK> apol_: We have a strong policy against code copies.  They aren't completely prohibited, but particularly for packages with a history of needing security updates, it's not generally wanted.
[03:59] <ScottK> To the extent there are code copies in the archive (and there are), they are considered bugs.
[04:28] <shadeslayer> ScottK: Could you have a look at the remaining FTBFS's ?
[04:29] <shadeslayer> sigh, fixed i386 FTBFS , kate amd64 fails now
[04:29] <shadeslayer> what magic is this
[04:29] <shadeslayer> I've gtg for a bit, bbl
[04:29] <ScottK> In the archive?
[04:29] <ScottK> Or ninjas?
[04:29] <shadeslayer> ninjas
[05:03] <ScottK> shadeslayer: kate was archive skew.  Building now.
[05:04] <ScottK> kdepim hasn't been updated.
[05:06] <ScottK> kross-interpreters looks like a multiarch'ed python2.7 issue.  Retrying to see if the recent fixed on python2.7/cmake solved it.
[05:07] <ScottK> Wallpapers needs actual fixing.
[06:03] <ScottK> kate built.
[06:22] <shadeslayer> ScottK: thx
[06:22] <shadeslayer> I'll have a look at kross-interpreters
[07:02] <shadeslayer> I'm not sure how opensuse released the RC when smokekde is utterly busted
[07:20] <shadeslayer> who want's to fix this : http://paste.kde.org/629168/
[08:26] <tsimpson> so who broke kde-telepathy on quantal in kubuntu-ppa/updates? http://paste.kde.org/629180/
[08:39] <shadeslayer> uhhh
[08:39] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: looking
[08:40] <tsimpson> seems to be libtelepathy-logger-qt4-1, the only candidate is 0.5.1-0ubuntu1 from quantal/universe but libktpchat0 requires >= 0.5.2
[08:41] <shadeslayer> ahhh
[08:41] <shadeslayer> I forgot to copy that
[08:42] <shadeslayer> I meant to untick tp-qt, but unticked tp-logger-qt as well
[08:43] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: copied, waiting for publication
[08:47] <tsimpson> right, I'll let you know if it all goes well
[08:49] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: thanks for pointing that out
[08:50] <tsimpson> it's a rarity that I get held back packages, so it caught my attention
[08:55] <shadeslayer> yeah, I apologize for that
[08:58] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: should be good to go
[08:59] <tsimpson> shadeslayer: yeah, all good now :)
[09:03] <yofel> great, the cron job I hacked together for the status page actually works
[09:03] <yofel> wasn't sure as I didn't really test it yesterday ^^
[11:48] <Riddell> hmm, plenty more 4.9.95 to go
[12:29] <afiestas> http://ruedigergad.com/2012/12/21/plasma-active-for-nexus-7-running-the-touch-optimized-plasma-active-linux-distribution-on-nexus-7/
[12:29] <afiestas> we were too late :/
[12:32] <Riddell> well various people have had it working on nexus 7, better is images which are built from the archive rather than a one off so we can make a full release
[12:40] <Riddell> but yeah, should be a target for toot sweet
[12:48] <ScottK> yofel: I don't think you used the latest libkdegames from the archive.  That FTBFS (or at least one very like it) has been fixed once already.
[12:49] <yofel> I didn't check whether the branch was outdated - let me verify
[12:49] <yofel> urgh, 3 revs missing
[12:50]  * yofel goes fixing
[12:50] <yofel> I thought we had a sanity check for that...
[12:52] <yofel> seems like we do - kind of, but needs fixing
[13:15] <Mamarok> maco: please check out my ravelry project I made recently, you will immediately see which one I talk about :)
[13:39] <yofel> Riddell: do you by chance have any uncomitted changes for kdelibs lying around? launchpad refuses to show me the diff between ppa2 and ppa3 and I didn't drop anything from bazaar
[13:39] <Riddell> let's see
[13:43] <Riddell> yofel: I only have ppa2 here
[13:44] <yofel> well, I uploaded ppa3, which failed to build and I don't get why it would if ppa2 built
[13:44] <yofel> but I don't know if ppa2 and bzr were in sync because I didn't check
[13:44] <Riddell> yofel: debdiff http://paste.kde.org/629312/
[13:45] <yofel> Riddell: I feared as much, can you put those file updates into bzr and upload ppa4 please?
[13:46] <yofel> note that our automation scripts really can't handle the ppa and bzr being out of sync, so I usually just work from bzr and assume the ppa is the same
[13:47] <Riddell> yofel: yep will fix, I wonder what I did there that didn't sync it
[13:49] <oy> can packages from Debian-6.0 be missed in ubuntu-12.04?
[13:49] <persia> Quite possibly, although the reasons are somewhat complex.
[13:50] <oy> OBS tells me that xcalib it not available
[13:50] <oy> which in turn is needed for the Oyranos CMS
[13:50] <yofel> it is in 12.04 though
[13:50] <yofel> !info xcalib precise
[13:51] <oy> good to know :-)
[13:51] <oy> thanks
[13:51] <ScottK> oy: Try packages.ubuntu.com next time instead of some opensuse thing to find out about Ubuntu packages.
[13:52] <oy> ScottK, well I use OBS for building and testing upstream stuff
[13:53] <ScottK> Right, but opensuse is probably not the ideal source for information about Ubuntu.
[13:53] <oy> can imagine, still try to get it working there and then packagaing will be hopefully easier for other distros
[13:54] <oy> e.g. Fedora, Debian etc.
[14:12] <oy> is there a policy for kubuntu, that universe packages can be used for kde-graphics apps?
[14:13] <yofel> I think kdegraphics is pretty much all in universe, so that should't be a problem
[14:13] <oy> huh; fine
[14:14] <yofel> oy: the policy is: packages in main can't depend on packages from universe, so as long as it's not in main there's no problem
[14:15] <oy> makes sense
[14:17] <oy> are there distribution limitations if something is in universe? the Oyranos/xcalib packages are a requirement wor the KolorManager kcm
[14:21] <Riddell> oy: only requirement to be free software
[14:21] <persia> oy: Souyz (the build part of LP) enforces something called "ogre-model" which prevents stuff not in universe from build-depending on stuff in universe.  Other than that, there's no difference.
[14:22] <oy> free software should be easy to fullfill
[14:38] <Riddell> golly, simon is out for packaging too
[14:38] <Riddell> lots to do
[14:40] <maco> Mamarok: cute!
[14:40] <maco> Mamarok: i have not done colorwork yet
[14:42] <Mamarok> maco: it's quite easy, I varied it a bit from Fair Isle style knitting by tunneling the loose color, makes the pattern a bit stiff, but that doesn't hurt for this particular one
[15:34] <Riddell> ScottK: new files in the pykde4 build, any idea what they are? usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/PyKDE4/kdecore.cpython-33m.so
[15:34] <Riddell> one for each library
[15:34] <Riddell> presumably we want them
[15:49] <yofel> Riddell: those should be the binaries for python 3.3 so we want them
[15:55] <xnox> Riddell: you want them in the python3-kde4 package =)
[15:55] <xnox> with X-Python3-Version headers, dh_python3, et al ;-)
[16:05] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.
[16:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: have you looked at smokekde did you say?
[17:00] <ScottK> Riddell: I can look at it.
[17:00] <Riddell> ScottK: I fixed both
[17:01] <Riddell> just smoke qt left and then we'll be done in ninjas
[17:01] <ScottK> Oh.
[17:01] <ScottK> Ought to go ahead and upload kde4libs to the archive, if you haven't.
[17:02] <Riddell> yep
[17:02] <ScottK> You want to do it or should I?
[17:02] <Riddell> ScottK: go ahead
[17:02] <ScottK> Will do.
[17:08] <ScottK> Done.
[17:18] <ScottK> rdieter: Thanks for committing the kamoso update.
[17:19] <rdieter> ScottK: trying to fix building against older libkipi now. :(
[17:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ScottK I'll sync the packages I uploaded and bzr
[17:55] <shadeslayer> on a related note, could someone have a look at kdm.upstart in kde-workspace in bzr?
[17:55] <shadeslayer> I don't think that change was sync'd to bzr
[17:58] <freinhard> hi! try "apt-get remove python-dbus-dev"
[17:58] <shadeslayer> erm
[17:58] <shadeslayer> why?
[17:58] <freinhard> because the result is surprising
[17:59] <freinhard> i'm wondering why binary packages would depend on python-dbus-dev wich just contains one header file
[17:59] <shadeslayer> Reverse Depends:
[17:59] <shadeslayer>   python-dbus
[17:59] <shadeslayer> which looks fine
[17:59] <shadeslayer> things probably dep on python-dbus which deps on python-dbus-dev
[18:00] <freinhard> on another 12.04 installation, this action would have removed big portions of kde.
[18:01] <freinhard> hmm even that sounds wierd. python-dbus which deps on python-dbus-dev
[18:02] <freinhard> anyways, if this makes sense to you, i'll stick with it.
[18:02] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/629378/
[18:03] <freinhard> same for me on 12.10
[18:05] <shadeslayer> freinhard: it comes from debian it seems https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus-python/1.0.0-1
[19:02] <freinhard> is there example code for interfacing muon/qapt from c++? or would one launch a qapt-batch process?
[19:03] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: ^^
[19:04] <JontheEchidna> freinhard: I guess it depends on what you wanted to do
[19:04] <freinhard> JontheEchidna: install new packages
[19:04] <JontheEchidna> I'd recommend invoking qapt-batch if you just want to do a simple install
[19:05] <freinhard> do i get information if this job was successful?
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> freinhard: qapt-batch will provide error dialogs, and exit with an error code when errors happen
[19:07] <JontheEchidna> (nonzero exit code)
[19:08] <freinhard> i wrote some code for kde-telepathy which offers to install some packages if one would want to setup a ICQ or MSN account but the required connection manager is not there yet. unfortunately kubuntu doesn't ship packagekit by default
[19:18] <freinhard> JontheEchidna: is there a way to have the user confirm the installation before entering the password?
[19:19] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: didn't you say there was a PK dbus interface that muon offers
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> a dbus interface, yes
[19:19] <freinhard> aka one code to rule them all ;)
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> it's PK-alike, but not packagekit
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> freinhard: not currently, no
[19:22] <Quintasan> Me would rather have PolicyKit KCM
[19:22] <Quintasan> derp
[19:23] <Quintasan> I even fail at /me
[19:23] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: o/
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> \o
[19:24]  * Quintasan left for uni in the morning and is returning
[19:24] <Quintasan> damn last Friday before Christmas
[19:25] <JontheEchidna> I got out last Friday, exams were killer
[19:25] <Quintasan> no exams
[19:25] <JontheEchidna> and then I came down with the flu Sunday and was sick until Wed.
[19:25] <Quintasan> but when stuff explodes in you face it explodes big time
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> (that's what gender-unspecified person said)
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> ;p
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> well, better the flu this week than the flu on finals week
[19:26] <Quintasan> :D
[19:26] <Quintasan> true that
[19:26] <Quintasan> I noticed the damn sever in my uni runs Solaris
[19:26] <JontheEchidna> the spring term starts on Jan. 22
[19:27] <Quintasan> with gcc 3.sth
[19:27] <JontheEchidna> lol
[19:27] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: good luck on the exams then
[19:27] <JontheEchidna> exams were last week <.<
[19:27]  * Quintasan prepares some books to start learning for his
[19:27] <Quintasan> oh
[19:27] <Quintasan> lol
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> good luck for yours, though
[19:28] <Quintasan> Mine start in the middle of January
[19:28] <Quintasan> Hopefully will have to write 2 out of 4 but whatever
[19:29] <Quintasan> my fridge is still empty
[19:29] <Riddell> ScottK: recon I'm ok to upload the rest to -proposed as well?
[19:29] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: How is student's life? Enjoying much of it or not? :P
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> I like it
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> I'm at my parents' house for the holidays now
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> and it's nice to be back, but I do like living not with them ;)
[19:31] <Quintasan> I'm going back tomorrow
[19:31] <Quintasan> I like it very much
[19:31] <Quintasan> but there is one obvious drawback
[19:31] <Quintasan> The fridge is permanently empty
[19:32] <Quintasan> its either full of beer and food OR empty
[19:32] <Quintasan> no states in between
[19:32] <Quintasan> T_T
[19:32] <Riddell> you eat all your parent's food?
[19:32] <Quintasan> Riddell: I eat all of my food at my flat in Wroclaw
[19:32] <Quintasan> I can't possibly eat 5 people's worth of food
[19:33] <Quintasan> I can't even possibly have that much
[19:33] <Riddell> oh a drawback to living away from your parents is the empty fridge
[19:33] <Quintasan> yeah
[19:34] <Riddell> yes I do still have a key to my parent's home incase my fridge is ever empty :)
[19:34] <Quintasan> I somehow can't imagine you going back home just for food :P
[19:35] <Riddell> well incase my car isn't in my driveway too
[19:35] <Quintasan> brb
[19:36] <Riddell> which is quite a lot since I don't have a car or a driveway
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> ;)
[19:41] <Quintasan> :D
[19:45] <Quintasan> http://jriddell.org/diary/?p=106
[19:45] <Quintasan> my god
[19:45] <Quintasan> Riddell: This made my day :D
[19:46] <Riddell> yeah it's more fun than the phone bills or junior football league scores I get to that e-mail address :)
[19:47] <Quintasan> >phone bills
[19:47] <Quintasan> Why not pay them? :P
[19:48] <Quintasan> wth
[19:48] <Quintasan> yofel: okular is marked as ftbfs yet log says otherwise
[19:50] <Riddell> Quintasan: it's the missing file
[19:50] <Quintasan> oh
[19:50] <Riddell> except I do install that file in okular.manpages and added a not-installed file with it
[19:50] <Riddell> so I'm a bit confused but not overly worried
[19:51]  * Riddell out leaving the packages to upload
[20:55] <yofel> Riddell: how did you batch upload the beta for quantal last time?
[21:19] <ScottK> yofel: I don't think it will work this time.
[21:20] <yofel> ScottK: why not?
[21:20] <ScottK> Last time we blocked kde4libs transition and that was enough.
[21:20] <yofel> ScottK: I'm talking about the backports
[21:20] <ScottK> Since there shouldn't be any new symbols in the RC, the older kde4libs should be sufficient so other stuff won't get blocked.
[21:20] <ScottK> Oh.
[21:20] <ScottK> Sorry, wrong topic.
[21:20] <ScottK> Nevermind then.
[21:27]  * yofel just made his own script anyway
[21:28] <Quintasan> ...
[21:28] <Quintasan> I just found out there is MPRIS runner
[21:29]  * Quintasan has even less reasons to use dolphin
[21:45]  * ScottK just fixed nepomuk on his laptop.  It's been dead for weeks and I couldn't figure out why.  It turns out reading the last bit of /.kde/share/apps/nepomuk/repository/main/data/virtuosobackend/soprano-virtuoso.log told me how to fix it.
[21:46] <ScottK> Surely that's not something we actually expect users to do?
[21:48] <yofel> usually not, but 4.10 requires users to press the power button to reboot after install too, so that still sounds reasonable.
[21:57] <Quintasan> It's empty here
[21:57] <Quintasan> Does it mean it works?
[21:58] <Quintasan> any hardcore vim user here can tell me if somehow can get autocompletion like that in kdevelop?
[21:58] <yofel> yes you can - but no, I don't know how to set that up
[22:02] <Quintasan> T_T
[22:02] <Quintasan> yofel: there is OmniCpp or clang_complete
[22:02] <Quintasan> the former uses ctags and the latter uses the compiler itself
[22:03] <Quintasan> lol
[22:03] <Quintasan> nope
[22:03]  * yofel notes that KDE sure has a lot of packages now while he watches them being processed...
[22:04] <Quintasan> brr
[22:04] <Quintasan> omnicpp is too hard to set up
[22:06] <shadeslayer> heh
[22:07] <shadeslayer> yofel: I noticed that as well with the last upload :P
[22:07] <yofel> http://yofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/build_status_4.9.95_quantal.html enjoy the blueness ^^
[22:10] <Quintasan> mother of god
[22:10] <Quintasan> well
[22:10] <Quintasan> will test asap
[22:12] <Quintasan> mfw
[22:12] <Quintasan> this damned tab doesnt autocomplete in vim
[22:12] <Quintasan> wtf
[22:13] <shadeslayer> haha
[22:14] <yofel> wasn't vim completion something with ctrl+p or so?
[22:15] <yofel> yeah, ctrl-p/n
[22:15] <yofel> good, finally done with uploading
[22:20] <shadeslayer> yofel: brace yourself, emails are coming
[22:20] <yofel> for?
[22:20] <yofel> depwaits don't send mails
[22:20] <shadeslayer> ...
[22:20] <shadeslayer> not dep waits
[22:20] <shadeslayer> email about uploads
[22:20] <yofel> oh, yeah, I've already got a ton :P
[22:20] <shadeslayer> and unless you're a MOTU, emails about failed uploads I'd guess
[22:21] <yofel> I didn't upload to the archive
[22:21] <shadeslayer> oh
[22:21] <shadeslayer> you uploaded quantal?
[22:21] <shadeslayer> I thought you did both quantal and raring
[22:21] <yofel> yep
[22:21] <yofel> aaaaaaargh
[22:22] <yofel> we need a sanity package check
[22:22] <yofel> gwenview and konquest didn't get updated
[22:22] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[22:22] <yofel> I'll upload them
[22:22] <Quintasan> WHY
[22:22] <Quintasan> DID
[22:22] <Quintasan> TAB STOP AUTOCOMPLETING
[22:22] <shadeslayer> afaik vim uses Ctrl_N
[22:22] <yofel> (at least those just looking at what's still at 4.9.90 in quantal)
[22:23] <shadeslayer> ctrl+n
[22:23] <yofel> ^
[22:23] <Quintasan> I call BS
[22:23] <Quintasan> http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=3302
[22:23] <shadeslayer> I've never tab completed with ctrl+n in vim
[22:24] <shadeslayer> nice
[22:24]  * yofel does for very long and odd variables to prevent typos
[22:24] <yofel> rest of the time the ctrl key just feels alien in vim
[22:24] <shadeslayer> I've been trying to get clang to parse code, but just didn't work
[22:24] <Quintasan> it works
[22:24] <shadeslayer> I was probably doing it wrong
[22:24] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: show
[22:24] <Quintasan> but the completion itself is not as good as I'd like it to be
[22:24] <ScottK> Is someone uploading thre rest of KDE?
[22:25] <ScottK> 4.9.95
[22:25] <Quintasan> ScottK: yofel is doing that magic
[22:25] <ScottK> Excellent.
[22:25] <yofel> no
[22:25] <shadeslayer> imho raring should be uploaded with higher powers
[22:25] <shadeslayer> like MOTU
[22:25] <Quintasan> yofel: You're not?
[22:25] <yofel> or rather - uploading what?
[22:25] <shadeslayer> so that games don't get reject
[22:25] <shadeslayer> *rejected
[22:25] <Quintasan> yofel:  4.9.95
[22:25] <yofel> ScottK: uploading what to where?
[22:25] <shadeslayer> lol
[22:25] <ScottK> 4.9.95 to raring archive.
[22:26]  * ScottK did kde4libs and it's built everywhere.
[22:26] <yofel> no, I'm uploading missing packages to ppa first
[22:26] <Quintasan> oh
[22:26] <ScottK> If you've got the packages locally, you might go ahead and upload pimlibs to the archive.
[22:26] <yofel> but I guess I could just upload them to the archive
[22:26] <yofel> I don't
[22:26] <ScottK> yofel: Even better.
[22:27] <ScottK> I think the need for ninjas is past.
[22:27] <yofel> well, not until our scripts really work
[22:27] <yofel> either they're really buggy or Riddell is doing something wrong
[22:27] <yofel> gwenview is marked as 4.9.95 in bzr, but I can't find that version published anywhere
[22:28] <ScottK> OK
[22:31] <Riddell> hi
[22:31] <Riddell> gwenview wasn't uploaded to the PPA for some reason
[22:31] <yofel> hey :)
[22:32] <Riddell> so what did I miss while I was out?
[22:32] <yofel> kdepim and libkdegames at least had failing patches, but I can't find an obvious reason why gwenview would fail
[22:32] <yofel> unless the branch was broken
[22:33] <Riddell> hmm so my upload didn't work
[22:33] <Riddell> what's the current status of 4.9.95 in raring?
[22:34]  * yofel just uploaded gwenview to archive
[22:34] <yofel> can you do konquest? I don't have upload permissions for that
[22:34] <yofel> I think then we'll have all packages
[22:35] <Riddell> are all the packages in raring?
[22:36] <Riddell> no they're not
[22:36] <shadeslayer> what the hell
[22:36] <shadeslayer> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/facebook-poke/id588594730?mt=8
[22:36] <yofel> Riddell: only kdelibs is in the archive I think
[22:36] <shadeslayer> now I've seen everything
[22:36] <yofel> but as we're uploading I don't see the reason for putting the missing stuff in the ppa, it can just stay in depwait
[22:36] <Riddell> ok I'll upload to raring archive
[22:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I think it's best you upload KDE
[22:37] <shadeslayer> *if you
[22:37] <shadeslayer> we don't have permissions for all of kde games and what not
[22:37] <Riddell> uploading
[22:39] <ScottK> shadeslayer: You should become a MOTU then.
[22:39] <ScottK> yofel too
[22:40] <yofel> I wouldn't mind to apply, but I simply don't do enough "plain universe work"
[22:40] <shadeslayer> ^
[22:40] <shadeslayer> on that note, I got emailed to update kraft, should probably do that as well
[22:45] <yofel> ok, I think I've got the backports all uploaded
[23:00] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Can you handle PA3 alone? I'd like to investigate the state of ibus integration
[23:00] <shadeslayer> yep
[23:00] <Quintasan> or in other words: "why it sucks and how to improve this"
[23:00] <shadeslayer> sure
[23:01] <shadeslayer> I was actually just thinking of updating the PPA
[23:01] <shadeslayer> since the RC is done
[23:10]  * ScottK fixes smoke-qt.
[23:25] <ScottK> Riddell: kajongg and kshisen never got fixed and uploaded for 4.9.90, so the 4.9.95 uploads hit New with bad copyright files (no GFDL and missing copyright holders).  I've rejected them.  Would you pleases have a look.
[23:32] <Riddell> ScottK: ok
[23:33] <ScottK> Thanks.
[23:35] <Quintasan> OLOLOLOLOLOLOL
[23:36] <Quintasan> ScottK: I just noticed that
[23:36] <Quintasan> ScottK: Try splitting the screen in Konsole
[23:37] <ScottK> Quintasan: Works fine here.
[23:37] <yofel> nice bug ^^
[23:37] <ScottK> What bug?
[23:37] <Quintasan> ScottK: Try typing in one of the screens
[23:37] <yofel> splitting yes, closing *one* window not
[23:37] <Quintasan> yofel: try typing
[23:37] <yofel> oh lol
[23:38] <yofel> use yakuake, it works there :P
[23:38] <Quintasan> Can someone tell me why would I split the damn konsole window to see the same thing?
[23:38] <ScottK> Horizontal or vertical?
[23:38] <ScottK> Works fine here with a horizontal split.
[23:38]  * yofel updates to 4.9.95
[23:38] <shadeslayer> heh
[23:39] <ScottK> Oh, right, not on 4.9.95, so nevermind
[23:39] <Quintasan> ScottK: The default behavior is that when you split the screen in Konsole
[23:39] <shadeslayer> you get a mirror
[23:39] <Quintasan> It shows you the same terminal on both parts
[23:39] <Quintasan> yeah
[23:39] <Quintasan> What's the point?
[23:40] <shadeslayer> could someone upload https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/kde-extra/+files/kraft_0.50-0ubuntu1.dsc
[23:40] <yofel> is it *supposed* to do that? because yakuake doesn't
[23:40] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I don't even want to hear that you are supposed to open up a new tab for each split
[23:40] <shadeslayer> heh
[23:40] <Quintasan> because that's ridiculous
[23:40] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I'm not saying anything
[23:40] <Quintasan> I bet you are not :P
[23:40] <shadeslayer> I use new windows + Window grouping
[23:41] <Quintasan> wat?
[23:41] <shadeslayer> kwin window grouping? the thing where you can group similar windows?
[23:41] <Quintasan> oh
[23:41] <shadeslayer> because it's pointless for me to open files simultaneously side by side
[23:42] <shadeslayer> I can't read anything and everything gets squished
[23:42] <shadeslayer> well .. not squished, but half the sentence goes out of view
[23:42] <Quintasan> TBH this is the dumbest thing regarding terminals I've ever seen
[23:43] <shadeslayer> :)
[23:43] <ScottK> smokeqt fixed.
[23:43] <yofel> it reminds me of that wall of TV's in shops that all show the same thing
[23:43] <Quintasan> yeah
[23:44] <shadeslayer> hehe
[23:44] <Quintasan> I bet KDE has some sort of explanation why they did that
[23:45] <shadeslayer> someone was probably high
[23:46] <shadeslayer> btw does anyone know if we can change the steps in which KDE changes brightness?
[23:46] <Quintasan> Riddell: quoting dobreprogramy.pl
[23:46] <Riddell> mm?
[23:46]  * shadeslayer wants to set the brightness at 8% but can't :(
[23:47] <Quintasan> There is no point in waiting for Kubuntu to get more popular - for Canonical it's unwanted child, in practice - fruits of labour of one man"
[23:47] <Quintasan> :DDDD
[23:47] <Quintasan> That's from article about ROSA Linux
[23:48] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[23:48] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: link to article?
[23:48] <Quintasan> http://www.dobreprogramy.pl/ROSA-Desktop-Fresh-2012-czyli-Rosjanie-wzieli-sie-za-Linuksa-i-KDE,Aktualnosc,38195.html
[23:48] <Quintasan> It's in Polish ofc
[23:48] <shadeslayer> gtranslate ftw
[23:48] <Quintasan> I roughly translated it
[23:48]  * Quintasan downloads ROSA
[23:49] <shadeslayer> dat background
[23:49] <shadeslayer> all I can see are boxes
[23:53] <Quintasan> 1,5GB iso image
[23:53] <Quintasan> ScottK, Riddell: I will be taking some time to investiage the state of ibus magic in asian locales
[23:55] <shadeslayer> hmm
[23:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: have you finished uploading to raring?


[23:19] <Megabyte> ki7mt, excuse me, ki7mt. Are you part of the English doc team?
[23:20] <ki7mt> My primary language is English, yes.
[23:20] <Megabyte> ki7mt, have you ever translated Ubuntu docs to another language?
[23:20] <ki7mt> No
[23:22] <Megabyte> ki7mt, do you think people use their mobile devices a lot to read documentation?
[23:23] <ki7mt> I have no idea, I know I dont.
[23:24] <Megabyte> ki7mt, in your opinion, what do you trust most? Books or electronic documentation?
[23:26] <ki7mt> I prefer books for programing languages, and tend to use on-line documentation when I want the latest updates on something, or man pages when I'm using the command line.
[23:28] <Megabyte> ki7mt, it makes sense. programming languages are bit more "static"


[19:40] <b0ef> ehlo
[19:40] <b0ef> got an ubuntu box that I'm compiling some code that depends on javax.persistence. I'm not sure which package in ubuntu that ships these files; any idea?


[00:13] <hays> any recommendations on a good modern livecd that can be used as a rescue and have a nice set of tools
[00:15] <hays> could the kubuntu install iso be used this way?
[00:24] <oerheks> if you know your tools, you can use anything
[00:25] <hays> well it just needs an option to give me a shell and a mouted ro filesystem with the tools
[00:26] <mmikowski> kubuntu iso is very good as a recovery medium. Lots of options, including safe graphics (highly recommended) make it a good choice IMO.
[00:27] <mmikowski> The RAM disk also allows you to easily quickly install extra tools if needed. Plus encryptfs is installed by default.  So, yeah, there are more swiss-army-knife solutions out there, but if you're using Kubuntu, it's probably all you'll need for an occassional recovery @hays
[00:28] <hays> i find myself needing/wanting it a lot.. mostly because i want to dork around with things
[00:29] <hays> and then when i break it, to fix it haha
[00:29] <mmikowski> Well, at Kfocus we use it all the time for recovery medium.
[00:29] <hays> cool ill try it out
[00:30] <mmikowski> We haven't found the benefit of a different image provides any benefit that isn't outweighed by the familiarity of the stock ISO. @hays check this out: https://kfocus.org/wf/recovery.html
[00:31] <mmikowski> Most of those are generic and don't require a Kfocus system.
[00:33] <hays> oh cool another linux laptop integrator.
[00:34] <hays> enough of you pop up and I might make the switch
[00:34] <mmikowski> @hays we are very focused on a complete solution. We don't ship 15 hardware platforms with one of 10 distros. We ship just Kubuntu LTS and provide athoritative support for that.
[00:35] <mmikowski> And just a few select systems (laptops, desktop)
[00:40] <hays> smart
[00:46] <mmikowski> @hays Thanks. There are some that will slap one of 11 distros on a machine and their acceptance test is "will the mouse move and will it boot." We vet every desktop, kernel, and driver update.  Of course, there are others that are much better.
 Why is it stuck at 97% for last 8 minutes? : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/2f677529/file_60232.jpg
[10:57] <user|77> My wifi always disconnects after five mins I have to restart to fix it but it just happens again I don't know why but Im new to Linux and ik it's not my router because it disconnects all surrounding networks.
[11:01] <user|77> My wifi is always disconnecting after 5 mins if I restart it fixed it but it happened again after 5 minutes again.
[12:26] <mparillo> Wild guess: Power-saving?
[13:09] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:47] <user|51> Hi
[13:47] <user|51> I would like to knowif there is any commecrcial software in kubuntu ?
[13:48] <user|51> Is this distro has the same software marker nas ubuntu ?
[13:48] <user|51> is this distro has the same software market as ubuntu ?
[13:52] <user|51> ?
[13:57] <cbreak> yes
 hi
 https://termbin.com/8fux
 what is this 90%?
 is the package 90
 https://termbin.com/8fux
 what is this 90%?
 is the package 90% ready ?
[16:58] <oerheks> where do you read 90% in that termbin?
 1.10-4ubuntu4.1 500 (phased 90%)
 Here
 5th line
[17:11] <oerheks> oh, let it be. it needs some testing before release, phazed update
[17:11] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhasedUpdates
 Hey famWhenever I try to connect my WiFi since then it ask me to do this, and it actually accepts the previous default password and not the password I've changed the PC toWhy??? : https://irc-attachments.kde.org/50b61d7a/file_60243.jpg
[17:48] <cryptek> humm, did notice this default password oddness too but unrelated to WiFi
 Oh ok
 Just boot on my PC and it's displaying this
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/5ea2f664/file_60244.jpg
 It says booting from ubuntu failed
 Verify if it' contains a 64bit UEFI os
 Then it says press any key to continue
 After pressing a key it brought me to this (re @PJtunes: )
 What do I do pls I'm stuck
 Anyone can assist me on this?
[20:33] <valorie> @pjtunes - your screenie is too blurry to read
[20:34] <valorie> and you don't say what happened when you "press any key"
[20:34] <valorie> if this was my computer I would try to do a backup now - you may have a failing hard drive
 Let me snap it again (re @IrcsomeBot: <valorie> @pjtunes - your screenie is too blurry to read)
[20:36] <valorie> you may have to remove the HD/SSD and backup directly if you can't boot -- otherwise you are stuck with the commandline
 I'm using a flashdrive
[20:36] <valorie> like a thumbdrive?
 A SanDisk
[20:37] <valorie> got it
[20:37] <valorie> drives fail
[20:37] <valorie> fortunately not hard to replace
 Damn (re @IrcsomeBot: <valorie> drives fail)
 What do I do now
 Im new to kubuntu
[20:39] <valorie> is there some reason you are choosing to boot from an external drive?
 Didn't configure it that way it's just default after purchasing the PC
[20:41] <valorie> huh?
[20:41] <valorie> default is always to boot from a drive IN the computer
[20:42] <valorie> except "thin computers" which are just dumb terminals
 Oh!
 It's the usual way i do boot it ever since I got it and haven't encountered this problem
 This's the first time
[20:43] <valorie> well, I suggest getting a new drive - it's always good to have another to use as a backup anyway
[20:44] <valorie> but doesn't the computer have any drives IN it?
[20:45] <valorie> most desktops have bays for 2 or 3
[20:45] <valorie> even laptops now have more than one M2s or something
[20:45] <valorie> this one has 3 I think
 https://irc-attachments.kde.org/4d62ce02/file_60247.jpg
[20:45] <valorie> Sysinfo for 'valorie-Oryx-Pro': Running inside KDE Plasma 5.25.5 on Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS (Jammy Jellyfish) powered by Linux 5.19.0-76051900-generic, CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz at 3399-3403/3800 MHz, RAM: 19541/32054 MB, Storage: 349/1382 GB, 328 procs, 88.08h up
 This is what it contains rn (re @PJtunes: )
[20:46] <valorie> I think I'm only using 2 of the 3
 Okay (re @IrcsomeBot: <valorie> I think I'm only using 2 of the 3)
[20:47] <valorie> that doesn't show *drives*
 Oh mistake
 Sorry..
 It's funny how the boot problem vanished
[20:48] <valorie> I have booted from a thumbdrive
[20:48] <valorie> hmmm
 After I left the PC for a while and switched on again
[20:48] <valorie> excellent
 I'm now on the desktop
[20:48] <valorie> run a backup now!
[20:48] <valorie> on your files
 But what if it occurs again
 I already have a backup of my personal files (re @IrcsomeBot: <valorie> on your files)
[20:49] <valorie> can you do the IRC command /sysinfo on a new irc line
[20:49] <valorie> oh good
 Should I also make a backup on the system files?
[20:49] <valorie> !chkdsk
 Sorry
 You mean?? (re @IrcsomeBot: <valorie> can you do the IRC command /sysinfo on a new irc line)
[20:50] <valorie> !checkdisk
[20:50] <valorie> oh, you're in telegram, sorry
[20:50] <valorie> dunno how to do that from telegram
 But do you have an idea of what actually caused the booting problem in the first place?
 I fear it might happen again when I'm in a rush and I'll be stuck
[20:51] <valorie> I don't
[20:51] <valorie> https://www.simplified.guide/linux/disk-error-check
[20:51] <valorie> please check your disk
[20:52] <valorie> I suspect you have the beginning of a failure
[20:52] <valorie> external drives are best used as backups
 Oh oh!
[20:52] <valorie> not to run from
[20:52] <valorie> they aren't made for that
 The PC doesn't come with a HDD/SSD just a flashdrive..
[20:53] <valorie> wow
[20:54] <valorie> is there a place for one?
 Since I got a PC with kubuntu been experiencing one issue or the other
 It's annoying though!!!
 Nope (re @IrcsomeBot: <valorie> is there a place for one?)
[20:54] <valorie> wow
[20:54] <valorie> not sure what to say
[20:55] <valorie> have not heard of something like this
 Wow (re @IrcsomeBot: <valorie> have not heard of something like this)
 I hope it doesn't happen again for real
[20:56] <valorie> I suggest you buy a new drive and put what you want on it
[20:56] <valorie> then you at least have a backup
[20:57] <valorie> "hope" isn't really a plan
 Yeah will do that
[20:57] <valorie> excellent
[20:57] <valorie> best of luck
 Is there a need to also backup the system files??
 Thanks man (re @IrcsomeBot: <valorie> best of luck)
[20:58] <valorie> that's the best insurance
[20:58] <valorie> no, do a clean reinstall
[20:58] <valorie> on the new drive
 Oh alright
 Thanks man
[20:59] <valorie> if there is corruption that caused the error you don't want them anyway
 Yh true... (re @IrcsomeBot: <valorie> if there is corruption that caused the error you don't want them anyway)
 How'd you rectify yours though? (re @IrcsomeBot: <cryptek> humm, did notice this default password oddness too but unrelated to WiFi)
[21:00]  * valorie out....
[22:00] <Guest28> Can I PLZ get some help that works for REMOVING my login password without the lectures about how unsafe it is?! I'll explain my situation if
[22:00] <Guest28> I get a reply from someone actually willing to help! Bottom line: everything I have tried, including code off online forums fails because Kubuntu 203.04 DEMANDS a password I have forgotten & was stored on another laptop that's down fore repair. The short of it.
[22:15] <oerheks> one can reset the password, when the installation is not encrypted
[22:15] <oerheks> !password
[22:25] <Guest28> Been there done all that! Works till I press ENTER, then it demands my passwordf to reset my password, no way around it! I have been on EVERY SITE that has popped up in a search,, copied n pasted their cod3e even to make si8ure I was not doing things wrong: STILL THE SAME, did the boot up editing method, NADA!
[22:25] <Guest28> Root password is Default
[22:26] <oerheks> just set a password, and set autologin
[22:26] <Guest28> Some way I hve to get to the password before linux does as a reference
[22:27] <oerheks> yes
[22:27] <Guest28> used the passwd command demands my current password to change to a new one
[22:28] <oerheks> see that guide, recovery mode
[22:28] <oerheks> set new password, and autologin, done
[22:28] <Guest28> used sudo, bash, boot edited as described on Unbuntu's FAQ site
[22:28] <oerheks> min 6 characters
[22:29] <Guest28> yep was 2 to be specific
[22:29] <Guest28> 8 sorry
[22:31] <Guest28> also now being bombarded with the keyring password bs as well. Really -pissing me off big time!
[22:32] <oerheks> autologin needs to be stored somewhere,...
[22:32] <oerheks> such rude language makes me laugh, good luck
[22:34] <Guest28> dunno, but I tried checking that box to make it autologin, but I MUST give the forgotten passwrd to make it finalized!? 8 day I have been messing with this ba!
[22:35] <Guest28> sorry bout the language just disgusted & ta be honest, it couldfa been a H of a lot worse if a mic was present!? lmaooo