[02:27] <DanaG> Hmm, I'm trying to install the aspeed KMS driver (ast.ko) on 3.5-rc7 from kernel-ppa... and I'm getting this:
[02:27] <DanaG> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/src/linux-headers-3.5.0-030500rc7-generic/arch/x86/syscalls/syscall_32.tbl', needed by `arch/x86/syscalls/../include/generated/asm/unistd_32.h'.  Stop.
[02:28] <DanaG> Same happens when I try to "make prepare" at the root of /usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r`/
[02:36] <DanaG> That file is also not in the installed kernel package.
[02:37] <DanaG> oh wait, if this has been merged, the whole issue is moot: http://osdir.com/ml/kernel-team/2012-07/msg00111.html
[02:37] <DanaG> er, wrong link.  this one: http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/170358/
[02:41] <DanaG> cool, it has been merged.  I'm still wondering about that syscall_32.tbl, though..
[06:38] <smb> morning
[07:37] <fredrikj> Hi, I installed mainline kernel linux-image-3.5.0-030500-generic_3.5.0-030500.201207211835_amd64.deb on 12.04 today, and it seems my graphics card doesn't work properly with that kernel. In gnome I end up in non-accelerated fallback mode. It is some intel mobile chipset on a clevo laptop. Acceleration works with a ubuntu mainline 3.4-rc6 deb. Is this a expected issue? Should I open a bug report?
[07:41] <ppisati> moin
[07:47] <infinity> ppisati: Can you think of anything from the most recent ti-omap4/precise SRU that would lead to TCP timeouts, poor network performance, poor USB performance in general, anything like that?
[07:48] <RAOF> fredrikj: Did you also install linux-somethingorother-extras? That's where the GPU drivers are now.
[07:48] <ppisati> infinity: an usb problem
[07:48] <ppisati> infinity: i klnow there;'s a bug about it
[07:48] <infinity> ppisati: I need to get lamont to downgrade all the shiny new precise buildds (or some of them) to the previous version to confirm, but I'm getting increasingly suspicious that the kernel is bouncing my machines temporarily offline here and there.
[07:49] <infinity> ppisati: Oh, you have a bug?  Erk.  Kay.  And it's in 1416?  Downgrading to 1415 should make me happy?
[07:49] <infinity> ppisati: Do you have a # for me?
[07:49] <ppisati> infinity: and i know ming was going back and forth on it with a user
[07:49] <ppisati> infinity: lemme find it
[07:51] <fredrikj> RAOF: Nope, i didn't install extras. Will do. (The extras package description gave me the impression it was all about virtualization, so i didn't think it applied to me). Thanks.
[07:51] <infinity> fredrikj: It's actually the inverse of being about virtualization.
[07:51] <RAOF> fredrikj: It's all the stuff that virtualised installs *don't* want.
[07:52] <infinity> ppisati: Hrm, I can't find a bug for it anywhere.  But if it's being tracked by *someone*, that's enough for me.
[07:52] <ppisati> infinity: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux-linaro/+bug/709245
[07:52] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 709245 in linux-linaro "ARM SMP scheduler performance bug" [Medium,Fix committed]
[07:53] <infinity> ppisati: Do you know if downgrading to 1415 makes it all better, or if I need to go further back in time?
[07:53] <ppisati> infinity: last comments talk about poor eth performance
[07:53] <ppisati> infinity: dunno, it came out lately
[07:54] <ppisati> infinity: but IMO it's the same root cause as all the other problems that we are facing on usb (crap performance, page fault, etcetc)
[07:54] <ppisati> infinity: and it has always been there
[07:54] <ppisati> infinity: why don't you downgrade just a couple of boards and try?
[07:55] <infinity> ppisati: Hrm.  Yeah, nothing in this bug talks about precise kernels at all.
[07:55] <ppisati> infinity: wait
[07:55] <infinity> ppisati: And yeah, I'll try some downgrading.  Sadly, I don't have access to them directly, so it's a bit of an annoyance to use them for testing.
[07:55] <ppisati> infinity: i see
[07:56] <ppisati> infinity: but what are the symptoms?
[07:56] <infinity> Unfortunately, I'm not sure how to reproduce the issues they're having.
[07:56] <infinity> The symptom, from a distance, appears to be occasionally disappearing from the network and/or TCP timeouts.
[07:56] <infinity> Only briefly.
[07:56] <infinity> But just long enough to make the daemon monitoring them go insane.
[07:57] <infinity> It's pretty much universally when they're doing heavy network I/O.
[07:58] <infinity> Right at the beginning (downloading chroot and source) or end (uploading built packages) of builds.
[07:58] <infinity> Which is somewhat frustrating, when you wait for 28 hours for a webkit build only to have the whole process explode in the uploading phase. :P
[08:00] <ppisati> doh
[08:07] <infinity> Anyhow, I'm trying to fix my sleep schedule a little bit, so I should get to bed.  But I'll get IS to downgrade some machines in the morning and see if they behave better. :/
[08:07] <infinity> If they do, I'm at a loss as to how to report this effectively.
[08:07] <infinity> "buildd-manager says the buildds go away sometimes" is a reeeeeally crappy testcase.
[08:08] <ppisati> infinity: but at least we narrow down the window of troubled commits
[08:09] <infinity> ppisati: Yeah.  Though, if the old bug was never really properly fixed, we're narrowing it down a commit that "made it worse".
[08:09] <infinity> ppisati: Maybe that's even more helpful.  Dunno.
[08:09] <ppisati> infinity: in my opinion, we are still working around it
[08:10] <infinity> The patch we committed was certainly a workaround (and an unpleasant one at that).  I didn't realise that it never got fixed better upstream. :/
[08:46] <apw> http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html
[09:03] <dileks> apw: is eugene teo still maintaining linux CVE stuff?
[09:04] <dileks> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/eugeneteo/linux-cve-tagged.git;a=summary
[09:04] <dileks> just found this, but remember there was a GIT repo with (fixed) CVE issues
[09:13] <apw> dileks, i don't think i knew they were doing that?
[09:20] <fredrikj> Just want to let you know that the problem with lack of acceleration of my graphics card indeed was caused by me not installing linux-image-extra. After installing linux-image-extra-3.5.0-030500-generic_3.5.0-030500.201207211835_amd64.deb acceleration works like a charm. Thanks again.
[09:22] <apw> and a 10s window to react yay
[11:35]  * henrix is out for lunch
[13:57] <josepht> I have a similar kernel panic as in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1018547, but it only seems to happen when using the Fn+F2 hotkey to disable/enable the radio.
[13:57] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1018547 in linux "Kernel panics when connected to wifi" [High,Triaged]
[14:07] <_ruben> hmm .. seeing http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1111966/ more and more often in the logs of a router running gutsy .. guess it's time for both hardware and software upgrades :p
[15:56] <apw> gutsy ... boggle
[16:00] <apw> josepht, as yours only happens on wifi rfkill toggle i would recommend getting it to occur and filing a bug on it with ubuntu-bug linux.  also put the backtrace you get in your bug
[16:02] <josepht> apw: ack, thanks
[16:29]  * henrix reboots
[16:44] <smb> has anybody seen this too? after upgrading quantal on my acer aspire one and rebooting dmesg and nm connection info shows the lan and wlan connected but the indicator would not show this in the overview for quite some time...
[16:50] <josepht> apw: done, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1029547
[16:50] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1029547 in linux "Disable -> Enable wifi via Fn+F2 results in kernel panic on Dell XPS 14z" [Undecided,New]
[17:33]  * rtg -> lunch
[17:46] <smb> also is white the new black for the screensaver?
[17:47]  * ogasawara back in an hour
[17:48] <cking> smb, surely somebody has filed a bug for that
[17:48] <cking> if not, I nominate you ;-)
[17:48] <smb> cking, I always suspect apw
[17:48] <cking> smb, for filing a bug, or just whinging about it? ;-)
[17:48] <smb> cking, But do you see it too?
[17:48] <cking> smb, yep
[17:48] <smb> both
[17:48] <smb> :)
[17:50] <cking> it's ridiculously warm here, /me calling it a day
[17:50] <apw> smb, there is a bug for white is the new black as well
[17:50] <smb> cking, see
[17:51]  * cking -> EOF
[17:51] <cking> oops, EOD
[17:51] <smb> F being frustration...? :)
[17:51] <apw> smb, but i don't have it on my list it seems, damn
[17:53]  * dileks thinks the date of meeting can be dropped/updated in topic?
[21:14]  * rtg -> EOD
[21:40] <Kano> hi, is there the code for the efilinux variant which should be used instead of shim?
[21:40] <Kano> or will shim used instead now?
[21:45] <rtg> bjf, I saw the armel build breakage for Precise. I've pushed a startnewrelease patch to master-next that fixes the build problem.
[21:45]  * rtg is now really gone...


[00:13] <moparisthebest> I'm using Lucid and need a package which shows up on packages.ubuntu.com, but won't install, does it work for anyone else? http://paste.ubuntu.com/906458/
[06:10] <joosengee> someone use samba domain
[06:10] <joosengee> or not?
[06:15] <joosengee> I have some question?
[06:15] <joosengee> anyone help me, please.
[07:03] <Jeeves_> Hmm
[07:04] <Jeeves_> A new libreoffice in an LTS is possible during beta
[07:04] <Jeeves_> but a new apache2 isn't
[07:05] <henkjan> no apache 2.4 in precise?
[07:11] <Jeeves_> No
[07:11] <Jeeves_> At least, not currently
[07:11] <Jeeves_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/939300
[07:14] <henkjan> *click  "yes this affects me"
[07:30] <micahg> no, apache 2.4 will probably be a backport though
[07:30] <twb> Oops, my LDAP server's cert expired... no logins for nearly half an hour
[08:10] <jamespage> morning all
[08:17] <mgw> good morning
[09:20] <PedroGomes> I, does anyone here can give me a functional PXE file for Ubuntu 12.04?
[09:20] <PedroGomes> *Hi
[09:23] <Daviey> Here is a function pxelinux file, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/pxelinux.0
[09:23] <Daviey> functional*
[09:30] <PedroGomes> Daviey: not quite what I need, but maybe it can help. This is the PXEfile that goes in the tftpboot folder, what I need was a boot configuration file that is deployed for each machine
[09:31] <PedroGomes> but I will try and change this one
[09:31] <PedroGomes> maybe it will do the trick
[09:36] <PedroGomes> Daviey: no luck…
[09:39] <PedroGomes> why does 11.10 install without problems and 12.04 has ram disk problems….
[09:40] <xranby> jamespage: morning
[09:40] <jamespage> xranby, good morning! how are you?
[09:41] <xranby> jamespage: im fine thanks, i have beem focusing on GUI backend perfomance
[09:42] <xranby> mostly since i do not have any crash report to investigate :)
[09:42] <xranby> jamespage: please tell if you observe any instability issue
[09:42] <xranby> during your testing rounds
[09:42] <jamespage> xranby, sure will :-)
[09:42] <jamespage> things have been pretty stable TBH
[09:43] <xranby> nice, thats what i want to hear
[12:31] <dcramer> why would the default setup of 10.04 LTS postfix not use aliases
[12:31] <dcramer> I send mail to root and it sends it out
[12:33] <_ruben> it does use it, but i recall a "bug" where the postinst doesn't populate /etc/aliases even tho it makes you think it does
[12:34] <_ruben> and after modifying /etc/aliases, make sure you run newaliases
[12:37] <dcramer> _ruben: no it's because mail -s test root doesn't sent to root@localhost
[12:37] <dcramer> it sends it to root@hostname
[12:37] <dcramer> for some strange reason
[12:40] <_ruben> a default config should accept mail for @hostname as well
[12:41] <_ruben> what does 'postconf myorigin myhostname' show?
[12:44] <dcramer>  /etc/mailname
[12:44] <dcramer> which is my domain name
[12:45] <_ruben> and postconf mydestination?
[12:45] <dcramer> mydestination = beaver1.postgresintl.com, localhost.postgresintl.com,localhost
[12:45] <dcramer> postgresintl.com
[12:45] <dcramer> is the domain name
[12:46] <_ruben> and beaver1 is the hostname i assume?
[12:46] <dcramer> yes
[12:46] <_ruben> beaver1 oughta be in mydestination as well
[12:47] <dcramer> I have other setups where this is not the case
[12:47] <dcramer> nm I'll try that
[12:50] <dcramer> actually postgresintl.com needs to be in mydestination
[13:02] <zul> good morning
[13:29] <stgraber> hallyn: ping
[13:30] <stgraber> hallyn: could it be that we forgot to allow lxc-start to call change_profile? setting lxc.aa_profile prevents the container from starting here
[13:30] <stgraber> hallyn: ah, no, my bad
[13:30] <stgraber> hallyn: I should have read the main profile and see that it needs to be prefixed by lxc- :)
[13:37] <stgraber> hallyn: hmm, so I added a profile lxc-upgrader01 in /etc/apparmor.d/lxc/ and called it lxc-container-upgrader01 in the profile
[13:37] <stgraber> hallyn: but now /etc/init.d/apparmor reload fails ...
[13:48] <stgraber> hallyn: bug 969228
[14:22] <hallyn> stgraber: d'oh, again i didn't see the notification here.  but i saw the email :)
[14:22] <stgraber> hallyn: hehe :)
[14:23] <stgraber> hallyn: I also reproduced the weird dpkg diverts and locales being blocked by apparmor. I'm upgrading the machine to linux-image-3.2.0-21-generic before reporting that one
[14:23] <stgraber> hallyn: bug 969228 is either and LXC or an apparmor parser bug, so shouldn't depend on the kernel version
[14:25] <hallyn> stgraber: yes, could you try removing the #include from the top of your new file?
[14:25] <stgraber> hallyn: no change...
[14:26] <hallyn> drat
[14:28] <hallyn> note i *did* test this...  how odd
[14:29] <hallyn> reproduced now though
[14:31] <hallyn> stgraber: oh i didn't go far enough in my request
[14:32] <hallyn> stgraber: if you pull the #include from both container profiles and put it at top of /etc/apparmor.d/lxc-containers, it works
[14:33] <hallyn> jjohansen: is there a way to say '#ifndef tunables #include <tunables/home> #endif' in a apparmor profile?
[14:33] <hallyn> jjohansen: i want users to be able to just 'apparmor_parser /etc/apparmor.d/lxc/lxc-new' rather than /etc/init.d/apparmor reload', is the only reason
[14:33] <hallyn> (maybe that's not worthwhile)
[14:34] <sbeattie> hallyn: #ifdef> not... really, but I haven't looked at the bug report yet.
[14:36] <hallyn> (drat, this coudl require a server guide update)
[14:39] <jamespage> hallyn, is there anything I can do to help diagnose/fix the 'failed to fstat previous diversions file' issue we see with postgresql under lxc?
[14:39] <jamespage> I just hit the same issue in another charm
[14:40] <hallyn> jamespage: turn off apparmor and see if it's still broken
[14:40] <hallyn> if not, mark it as affecting linux and critical priority, owned by jjohansen
[14:40] <jamespage> hallyn, OK - testing now
[14:42] <stgraber> hallyn: sorry, was working on something else, looking now
[14:43] <stgraber> hallyn: worked
[14:44] <hallyn> stgraber: ok, i guess i'll move the #include, and ask for server guide update.  users will need to reload all container profiles at once.
[14:45] <stgraber> hallyn: btw: [ 1022.059598] type=1400 audit(1333118643.042:36): apparmor="DENIED" operation="mount" info="failed type match" error=-13 parent=23460 profile="lxc-container-upgrader01" name="/var/lib/ureadahead/debugfs/" pid=23666 comm="ureadahead" fstype="debugfs" srcname="none" flags="rw"
[14:45] <stgraber> hallyn: I guess we should silent that one
[14:46] <hallyn> we do that with just an explicit deny right?
[14:46] <stgraber> hallyn: yep
[14:46] <hallyn> (sorry doing a bunch of bugs at a time)
[14:47] <sbeattie> hallyn|stgraber: can you post the problematic version of the /etc/apparmor.d/ tree to bug 969228
[14:48] <hggdh> roaksoax: aldebaran (the cobbler server), alkaid and phact are available now
[14:48] <hggdh> roaksoax: sorry for the delay, but I only ended the upgrade around 0100 UTC today
[14:55] <stgraber> sbeattie: there you go
[14:55] <sbeattie> stgraber: thanks, peeking.
[15:01] <jamespage> hallyn, if I turn off apparmor I can't start any containers
[15:01] <jamespage> hallyn, http://paste.ubuntu.com/907334/
[15:03] <roaksoax> hggdh: no worries
[15:06] <stgraber> hallyn: hmm, the divert and locale apparmor bugs are still there with -21 ... I guess I'll have to file a bug this time as it's preventing the daily upgrade testing from working
[15:06] <jeh> anyone here happen to be using the mlx4_en ethernet driver on precise?
[15:07] <hallyn> stgraber: that's what jamespage is looking at
[15:07] <hallyn> stgraber: yes, if jamespage hasn't filed it yet, pls mark it critical
[15:07] <jamespage> hallyn, stgraber: I've not filed a bug yet
[15:07] <hallyn> jamespage: sorry, please at 'lxc.aa_policy = unconfined' to the container's config (/var/lib/lxc/container/config)
[15:07] <jamespage> hallyn, ack
[15:07] <hallyn> jamespage: it's explained in the server guide, but that's notreally online yet iiuc :)
[15:08] <stgraber> jamespage: I did :)
[15:09] <stgraber> sbeattie, hallyn, jamespage: bug 969299
[15:10] <jamespage> stgraber, hallyn: oddly if I put lxc-container-default into complain mode I don't get the issue - but neither does aa complain
[15:10] <stgraber> hallyn: targeted to final and marked critical
[15:10] <stgraber> jamespage: yay for debugging fixing the bugs ;)
[15:11] <hallyn> jamespage: might be worht commenting that int he bug
[15:11] <jamespage> hallyn, lemme double check that
[15:15] <hallyn> jjohansen: ^ bug 969229
[15:15] <hallyn> no that's not the one :)
[15:15] <hallyn> jjohansen: would you believe bug 969299
[15:16] <stgraber> hallyn: lxc-start: unknow key lxc.aa_policy
[15:16] <hallyn> wth
[15:16] <stgraber> (I think we also want s/unknow/unknown/g btw ;))
[15:16] <hallyn> d'oh
[15:16] <hallyn> aa_policy
[15:16] <hallyn> lxc.aa_profile
[15:17] <hallyn> stgraber: that's not *my* typo :)
[15:17] <stgraber> root@athos:/data/internal/containers# lxc-start -n upgrader01
[15:17] <stgraber> lxc-start: Permission denied - failed to change apparmor profile to unconfined
[15:17] <hallyn> stgraber: you haven't disabled apparmor
[15:18] <hallyn> usr.bin.lxc-start isn't allowed to transition to unconfined
[15:18] <stgraber> hallyn: why would I do that? I just want it off for one container ;)
[15:18] <smb> zul, Just read your answer to that xen feature mail. Just to make sure I am not doing something wrong because I am using still the xend based api between libvirt and xen host in precise.
[15:18] <hallyn> stgraber: you think the default lxc-start profile should allow that?
[15:19] <zul> smb: no you arent i think they are refering to the XCP stuff that citrix was doing this cylce in debian/ubuntu
[15:19] <stgraber> hallyn: I think we should allow for a container to set "lxc.aa_profile = unconfined" without turning apparmor off for all containers, yes
[15:19] <smb> zul, Yes, well generally the xcp stuff, right. Reading about the blueprint gave a bit the impression this is what is used in Precise
[15:20] <zul> smb:  right i dont think anyone on the platform team has used the xcp stuff really
[15:20] <hallyn> stgraber: ok so there's that, the #include fix, and what was the other thing is houdl add right now?
[15:20] <hallyn> (and by right now i mean, "sometime soon")_
[15:21] <hallyn> maybe that was it
[15:22] <stgraber> hallyn: "#include fix", "deny for debugfs in /var/lib/ureadahead/debugfs/", "allow switch to unconfined in usr.bin.lxc-start"
[15:25] <hallyn> ah right debugfs, thanks
[15:26] <hallyn> mabe the ubuntu template should add a commented '# lxc.aa_profile = unconfined'
[15:27] <hallyn> stgraber: really we want debugfs anywhere to be silenetly denied, right?
[15:27] <brontosaurusrex> finnaly updated my old intranet server from 9.10 to 10.04 and noticing some magic: mp4/h.264 videos can be seeked without preloading in html5 mode on chrome..., is it a chrome magic or a combo of smarter apache and chrome, or some other mistery?
[15:27] <stgraber> hallyn: hmm, indeed, "deny mount fstype=debugs," should be fine
[15:28] <stgraber> hallyn: also +1 on adding some lxc.aa_profile line to the template, either "lxc.aa_profile = lxc-container-default" or a commented "# lxc.aa_profile = unconfined"
[15:28] <stgraber> hallyn: as long as there's a way for people to easily figure it out, that's fine
[15:28] <jamespage> hallyn, stgraber: not sure whether its related but I'm getting some excellent kernel message cruft - http://paste.ubuntu.com/907382/
[15:30] <stgraber> jamespage: I've always blamed the lack of logging namespace for that one ;) not sure if that's the real cause though
[15:30] <jamespage> stgraber, it does not appear to impact function as far as i can tell
[15:32] <stgraber> jamespage: I'm testing aa-complain now ;) sounds like an interesting workaround
[15:34] <Daviey> jamespage, adam_g, zul: What is the story of precise-openstack-essex-swift-trunk failing?
[15:35] <zul> Daviey:  the story is that swift needs openstack-nose-plugins to build the testsuite and its 95% done on my todo list
[15:35] <zul> Daviey:  its packaged just not in the archive
[15:37] <hallyn> stgraber: jamespage: actually we still have attach_disconnected in the policy, that *might* be causing problems.  not sure
[15:37] <hallyn> biab
[15:37] <Daviey> zul: ok, thanks
[15:38] <stgraber> hallyn: good point, I'll test that before trying jamespage's trick
[15:45] <autif> is apt-proxy now called apt-cacher?
[15:46] <patdk-wk> no
[15:46] <patdk-wk> different project
[15:46] <patdk-wk> apt-cacher is slow
[15:46] <patdk-wk> apt-cacher-ng is faster by many times
[15:47] <autif> apt-cache search apt-proxy did not return apt-proxy - it returned apt-cacher and apt-cacher-ng
[15:47] <autif> I was looking to caching packages because I want to install and update many machines and want to save bandwidth
[15:47] <autif> came accross https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptProxy
[15:47] <patdk-wk> find apt-proxy for me :)
[15:47] <autif> should I be using apt-cacher-ng?
[15:47] <patdk-wk> or, it works for me, to locate apt-proxy
[15:48] <autif> ubuntu-server 11.10
[15:48] <patdk-wk> 10.04 here
[15:48] <autif> hmmn - that may do it
[15:48] <patdk-wk> apt-proxy downloads the all .deb's for a version if I remember right
[15:48] <patdk-wk> using gigs of space
[15:48] <patdk-wk> where apt-cacher-ng only downloads the .deb's you use, like a http proxy
[15:48] <autif> yup - that should be find - I have a 2TB disk :-)
[15:49] <autif> ah, I see the difference
[15:49] <patdk-wk> last time I used apt-proxy I think it was using 600gigs of space for me
[15:49] <autif> will try out apt-cacher-ng
[15:49] <patdk-wk> just all the updates for things I didn't use, kept using up all my bandwidth
[15:49] <autif> thanks patdk-wk
[15:50] <patdk-wk> heh, my apt-cacher-ng is using 1.9gigs of space
[15:52] <Ng> I think everyone should stop saying the names of software that ends in -ng
[15:52] <Pici> heh
[15:52]  * patdk-wk renames amavisd-new to amavisd-ng
[15:53] <Ng> -1
[15:53] <Daviey> zul: bug 965551 ?
[15:54] <patdk-wk> ng, not bad, only 15 packages in lucid have -ng
[15:54] <zul> Daviey: i think adam_g said he was going to work on that one
[15:54] <Daviey> zul-ng, What is the status of that bug?
[15:54] <Daviey> ok, great
[15:56] <zul> heh zul-ng
[15:56] <patdk-wk> that one is overrated!
[16:01] <Ng> Daviey: you stop that!
[16:05]  * Daviey wonders how hard an irrsi pluggin would be to add -ng to any verb. :)
[16:06] <Daviey> err noun
[16:06] <Ng> I hope it would be very very difficult
[16:07] <Daviey> zul / adam_g: Are you uploading new snapshots today?
[16:08] <zul> Daviey: no im going to wait for rc2
[16:08] <Daviey> zul: no date set, or confirmed there will be an rc2, is there?
[16:09] <zul> Daviey: lemme check my sources
[16:11] <hallyn> stgraber: uh, what is jamespages' trick?
[16:16] <zul> Daviey: if they get their stuff together it will be today otherwise monday
[16:17] <stgraber> hallyn: aa-complain ;)
[16:18] <hallyn> ah ok
[16:18] <Daviey> zul: feel free to tell your sources that i haven't seen that discussed anywhere, or on the release schedule.
[16:18] <Daviey> Or just tell ttx.
[16:19] <stgraber> hallyn: dropping the attach_disconnected seems to have worked here
[16:19] <stgraber> jamespage: can you try doing that too? ^
[16:19] <hallyn> stgraber: interesting.
[16:20] <jamespage> stgraber, OK - I'll try - where do I set that?
[16:20] <hallyn> it does make some sense
[16:20] <hallyn> remove it from the top of /etc/apparmor.d/{usr.bin.lxc-start,lxc/lxc-default}
[16:21] <hallyn> probably just remove the whole flags=(.*)
[16:22] <azertyu> hello there
[16:23] <azertyu> is tehre any specialist bladecenter ?
[16:24] <azertyu> anyone there ?
[16:41] <patdk-wk> what is a, specialist bladecenter?
[16:41] <patdk-wk> I would assume all bladecenters to be special
[16:42] <azertyu> sure
[16:42] <azertyu> well i got a small on my bladecenter
[16:42] <azertyu> Chassis Cooling Devices
[16:43] <azertyu> 1
[16:43] <azertyu>
[16:43] <azertyu> Chassis Cooling Device status OK
[16:43] <azertyu> 	  78%
[16:43] <azertyu> 2
[16:43] <azertyu>
[16:43] <azertyu> Chassis Cooling Device status OK
[16:43] <azertyu> 	  79%
[16:43] <azertyu> what can be ?
[16:45] <ironm> hello. Is there an approved possibility to create own ubuntu server images with some third party packages (for off-line installations? I have played a bit with debian live-builder 3.0a-45-1 but was not successful. Thank you in advance for any hints.
[16:50] <xT_Bash> hey ppl
[16:51] <xT_Bash> any1 willing to help me with a 10.04 LTS install?
[16:51] <xT_Bash> wanna install the kde but yet dont have any clue how
[16:52] <arthurjohnson> Why would you want to install KDE on a server install?
[16:52] <xT_Bash> any other desktop u suggest?^^
[16:52] <xT_Bash> or does the question target the desktop thing itself?
[16:53] <arthurjohnson> None.  At least thats my opinion.
[16:53] <xT_Bash> well
[16:53] <arthurjohnson> I would never put a desktop on a server.  Wastes resources.
[16:53] <arthurjohnson> But if you must, go with something a little lighter, like xubuntu
[16:53] <xT_Bash> im not that fit with with console yet
[16:53] <xT_Bash> still too miseducated by microsoft stuff :P
[16:53] <arthurjohnson> Desktops aren't going to make configuring and maintaining a server any easier.
[16:54] <xT_Bash> mkay
[16:54] <arthurjohnson> But if you must, go for something a bit lighter, like xubuntu.
[16:54] <xT_Bash> combined with the ressource facts its quite a reason to leave it awys
[16:54] <xT_Bash> away*
[16:54] <ironm> !xubuntu
[16:55] <xT_Bash> so.. could u gimme a source with tutorial how to start up with ub-server?
[16:55] <ironm> !ubuntu-live
[16:56] <arthurjohnson> xT_Bash: have you installed your ubuntu server yet?
[16:56] <xT_Bash> yep
[16:56] <JanC> xT_Bash: even most serious Windows servers are administered remotely using AD (or other ways) anyway, so why do they need a GUI? ;)
[16:57] <xT_Bash> i already said i wont install a KDE/GNome etc
[16:57] <xT_Bash> actually just sitting in front of the commandline and dunno how to get the thing running
[16:58] <xT_Bash> well
[16:58] <xT_Bash> anyways thx for your advice so far
[16:58] <xT_Bash> am a bit busy and g2g
[16:58] <JanC> generally, services just run
[16:59] <xT_Bash> TTYL
[16:59] <xT_Bash> bb
[17:07] <hallyn> roaksoax: hi, would you mind pushing lp:~kroq-gar78/ubuntu/precise/rsyslog/fix-846818 ?  I don't have the upload rights.  IT's a trivial, correct, typo fix.
[17:09] <roaksoax> hallyn: howdy! sure!
[17:09] <hallyn> roaksoax: thanks!
[17:17] <roaksoax> hallyn: done!
[17:17] <hallyn> thanks again :)
[17:27] <zul> adam_g: hey are you workin on quantum?
[17:35] <stgraber> hallyn: I have a weird bug for you ;)
[17:35] <stgraber> hallyn: running: ubuntu-vm-builder kvm oneiric --kernel-flavour generic --ssh-key /data/auto-upgrade-tester/ssh-key.pub --components main,restricted --rootsize 15G --addpkg openssh-server --destdir /tmp/stgraber --arch i386
[17:35] <stgraber> hallyn: outside a container works fine
[17:35] <stgraber> hallyn: in a container, fails with: http://paste.ubuntu.com/907564/
[17:35] <stgraber> hallyn: wrong pastebin, http://paste.ubuntu.com/907541/
[17:36] <adam_g> zul: havent yet
[17:36] <adam_g> zul: would like to, tho
[17:36] <stgraber> hallyn: so we get that weird "mkdir: cannot create directory `/dev/shm': File exists"
[17:36] <adam_g> or, would like it to be fixed, if you wanna take it :)
[17:36] <zul> adam_g: ill get it fixed today
[17:36] <stgraber> hallyn: but only when running ubuntu-vm-builder in a container ... apparmor doesn't tell me it rejected anything
[17:37] <hallyn> stgraber: well the mkdir *should* fail if it exists...
[17:37] <hallyn> whey doesn't it onthe host?
[17:38] <stgraber> hallyn: it's ubuntu-vm-builder so that error appears during a deboostrap in a chroot...
[17:39] <stgraber> hallyn: and the mkdir call in sysvinit is guarded by a [ -d /dev/shm ] || mkdir /dev/shm
[17:39] <stgraber> hallyn: looks like bug 891045
[17:39] <hallyn> that sucks
[17:39] <stgraber> yeah :)
[17:40] <stgraber> I'm trying to figure out exactly what's different between the host and the container...
[17:42] <hallyn> stgraber: test -d /dev/shm in container
[17:42] <hallyn> 127
[17:42] <hallyn> umount /run/shm
[17:43] <hallyn> test -d /dev/shm -> 0
[17:43] <mgw> hey… what would cause ssh to stall for 4 seconds on login
[17:43] <mgw> $ ssh localhost ls
[17:43] <mgw> takes 4 seconds
[17:45] <stgraber> hallyn: interesting, though test -d /dev/shm = 0 in my container
[17:45] <stgraber> hallyn: but that may explain what's going on in ubuntu-vm-builder
[17:46] <stgraber> hallyn: my apparmor profile allows any mount in /tmp at the moment, I may try to restrict that to proc and sysfs which are the two I identified in vmbuilder as must-have
[17:51] <benji> mgw: does logging in locally take that long?
[17:51] <zul> adam_g: ok fixed
[17:52] <JJarvis> Hi, would someone please be able to help me in installing a wireless driver?
[17:52] <mgw> benji, it did… found the problem (ldap)… thanks!
[17:53] <benji> mgw: cool
[17:53] <JJarvis> I know Ubuntu-Server isn't supposed to run on anything other than LAN, but there is a reason.
[17:53] <zul> adam_g: problem was that i suck ;)
[17:53] <JJarvis> How would I activate a Broadcom STA driver (restricted) in the console?
[17:53] <hallyn> t doesn't always fail
[17:54] <hallyn> stgraber: it doesn't always fail
[17:54] <stgraber> JJarvis: jockey-text?
[17:54] <stgraber> hallyn: fun, so we have a race that mounts another tmpfs on top of /run/shm but only some of the time? :)
[17:54] <hallyn> stgraber: uh, i dont' think so,
[17:55] <hallyn> stgraber: the fs is always mounted, but someimtes test -d /dev/shm returns 0
[17:55] <stgraber> hmm
[17:55] <JJarvis> @stgraber Will try that now. Thanks.
[17:56] <JJarvis> exit
[17:56] <hallyn> stgraber: do you know if '[ -d /dev/shm ] || mkdir /dev/shm calls out to /usr/bin/test or something else?
[17:56] <hallyn> cause /usr/bin/test's -d code looks pretty unassailable
[17:57] <stgraber> hallyn: it's called with /bin/sh (dash) so I think it's using dash's builtin test
[17:57] <hallyn> d'oh
[17:58] <hallyn> feh, this could be a libc bug..
[17:58] <hallyn> i assume the stat must occasionally fail...
[18:01] <hallyn> jamespage: have you confirmed that remove attach_disconnected works for you?
[18:01] <hallyn> jjohansen: can you confirm that it should be safe to remove attach_disconnected from lxc profile?
[18:05] <smoser> utlemming, SpamapS http://paste.ubuntu.com/907621/
[18:05] <smoser> look for Setting up postgresql-9.1 (9.1.3-2)
[18:07] <adam_g> zul: can we disable that console monitor thing till its been merged upstream, or has gone through sufficient testing?
[18:07] <zul> adam_g: sure go ahead
[18:10] <stgraber> hallyn: you can also remove the FIXME for that "deny umount" line, it's fixed with -21
[18:10] <hallyn> where is that?
[18:15] <adam_g> zul: can you checkin those *.logrotate files to the nova branch?
[18:15] <zul> adam_g: yeah hold on
[18:16] <zul> adam_g: they should already be there
[18:16] <hallyn> biab
[18:17] <adam_g> zul: doh
[18:17] <adam_g> zul: my bad
[18:18] <adam_g> zul: though it looks like nova-network provides dhcpbridge, not nova-common. ill update
[18:18] <zul> adam_g: ack
[18:19] <jjohansen> hallyn: it is not.
[18:19] <jjohansen> hallyn: those fixes/changes just aren't ready for this cycle
[18:20] <jjohansen> hallyn: so for 12.04 attach_disconnected is the required work around.  I really, really wish it wasn't that way, but ...
[18:35] <Blah1> hey all.  anyone familiar w/ preseed ?  I remastered oneiric mini.iso, stuck a preseed.cfg file in it.   fired up a vm w/ that iso yet ubuntu installer doesn't appear to pickup the preseed.
[18:36] <Blah1> and the only way i can tell that is because it stops to ask me the ubuntu mirror question, when i've specified it in the preseed file.
[18:39] <hallyn> jjohansen: ok, i asked because of bug 969228
[18:44] <jjohansen> hallyn: hrmm, okay, yet another stupid bug in the compiler that needs to be fixed.
[18:45] <hallyn> jjohansen: hooray if it's obvious to you how to fix :)
[18:45] <stgraber> hehe, looks like LXC is pretty useful at finding apparmor bugs ;)
[18:46] <jjohansen> hallyn: I don't know about obvious, but I know its at least part of its in the compiler
[18:48] <hallyn> stgraber: drat
[18:50] <stgraber> hallyn: I "think" I got ubuntu-vm-builder working here ;)
[18:50] <hallyn> did you change anything?
[18:50] <stgraber> hallyn: that thing does "mount --bind /dev/ /tmp/<something>/dev" which means it also gets /dev/shm in the process which is a dangling symlink
[18:51] <stgraber> hallyn: instead I added a new upstart script to that container that does "rm /dev/shm && mkdir /dev/shm && mount --bind /run/shm /dev/shm"
[18:51] <stgraber> hallyn: so now ubuntu-vm-builder gets an empty dir instead of dangling symlink and seems happy
[18:51] <stgraber> hallyn: then it failed running kpartx as I forgot to enable loop devices ;)
[18:51] <hallyn> what does 'mount --bind /dev /tmp/<something>/dev" ?
[18:52] <stgraber> hallyn: ubuntu-vm-builder
[18:52] <hallyn> oh
[18:52] <stgraber> which is fine if the VM knows that /dev/shm can be a symlinkto /run/shm which in some cases doesn't exist yet
[18:52] <hallyn> now originall /dev/shm was a symlink to, not bind mount of, /runs/hm right?
[18:52] <stgraber> but apparently something in oneiric doesn't ;) (I'm building an oneiric VM in a precise container)
[18:53] <hallyn> so how would you fix the reported bug/
[18:53] <stgraber> yeah and that's fine in 99% of the cases, except when something stupidly bind-mounts /dev to a chroot of another vresion of Ubuntu ...
[18:53] <stgraber> in my specific case, I think the fix should be in ubuntu-vm-builder, I don't see any reason to bind-mount /dev to start with
[18:53] <stgraber> debootstrap gives you a minimal /dev that should work just fine
[18:54] <stgraber> and that won't have a dangling symlink as your /dev/shm
[18:58] <jamespage> ;q!
[19:00] <jamespage> hallyn, looking now
[19:01] <hallyn> jamespage: no need!
[19:01] <hallyn> jjohansen says that's wrong
[19:01] <jamespage> hallyn, standing down....
[19:02] <hallyn> :)
[19:07] <stgraber> jjohansen, hallyn: reading scrollback, that bug isn't linked to the attach_disconnected
[19:08] <stgraber> jjohansen, hallyn: the problem with attach_disconnected is localedef and dpkg-divert failing
[19:08] <stgraber> jjohansen, hallyn: bug 969299
[19:09] <hallyn> oh no did i mis-paste?
[19:09] <hallyn> but in any case, jjohansen says removing attach_disconnected is not yet safe
[19:11] <hallyn> jamespage: the debdiff attached to bug 968912 (not by me) works for me, and adds a patch identical to what is already upstream.  Do you mind sponsoring it?
[19:11] <stgraber> right, then ^ needs urgent fixing (as in, we need that for the release)... that upgrade testing container just won't work with it, so I'm currently running it without
[19:12] <hallyn> stgraber: you marked it critical right?  jjohansen is on it iiuc
[19:12] <hallyn> all right i'll go ahead and test and push the rest of the changes we've discussed then
[19:12] <stgraber> hallyn: yeah, critical + targeted, should be on the right buglists with that
[19:13] <hallyn> worst case i guess we pull the apparmor profiles for now
[19:14] <stgraber> I don't think it's so bad we should pull the apparmor profile
[19:14] <stgraber> as pulling the profile introduces its own problems ;)
[19:14] <stgraber> at least with lxc.aa_profile I can workaround it for that specific container and keep the standard profile for the others
[19:25] <hallyn> stgraber: would you say that non-ubuntu containers should still start in lxc-container-default, or in unconfined?
[19:26] <hallyn> i'd prefer lxc-container-default of course, but i don't know if they need special mounting abilities offhand...
[19:26] <hallyn> eh i'll leave it as is for now
[19:26] <stgraber> hallyn: I'd prefer lxc-container-default, we'll deal with the bugs if anyone files one
[19:34] <amarcolino> quick question , is ubuntu 12.4 stable enough to be used as a development apache server?
[19:39] <hallyn> amarcolino: I suspect the official stance is "don't do that"
[19:39] <hallyn> !release
[19:39] <hallyn> hm, was hopin gfor more :)
[19:40] <hallyn> amarcolino: that said, i'm running it everywhere...  except my mail server where i run lucid
[19:41] <amarcolino> thanks for the info and it has been stable for you till now?
[19:47] <hallyn> amarcolino: not always.  you'd like to think we're close to release and no major library upgrade will mess us up now, but you never can tell...
[19:53] <jjohansen> stgraber: I updated Bug#969299 with my initial guess, I will check as soon as my vm is finished updating
[19:54] <hallyn> stgraber: have you noticed that lxc no longer builds on precise?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/907772/
[20:00] <stgraber> hallyn: it built fine yesterday
[20:00]  * stgraber tries locally
[20:01] <hallyn> hmmm.
[20:04] <stgraber> local build failed somewhere in the doc (usually does when not in sbuild) but lxc itself built
[20:06] <hallyn> stgraber: "debian/rules build" fails.  is your schroot 100% uptodate?
[20:07] <stgraber> hallyn: I'm building in arkose directly on my laptop that was updated 10min ago, so yeah should be up to date
[20:07] <amarcolino> hallyn, will take note of that, I aint planning to do much at the moment other than use it for site development, it should be stable enough for that...
[20:08] <hallyn> i'm just wondering whether to worry about the failure, or be happy it builds in buildds
[20:08] <stgraber> hallyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/907790/
[20:09] <hallyn> what cmd did you use?
[20:09] <stgraber> hallyn: ./configure --disable-doc && make
[20:09] <stgraber> hallyn: I'll try building the full package now
[20:10] <stgraber> hmm, actually looks like I'm not completely up to date ... upgrading again first then
[20:10]  * stgraber wonders what machine he updated 10min ago ;)
[20:11] <hallyn> stgraber: jinkeys, it doesn't happen when i remove automake and autoconf!
[20:12] <stgraber> hallyn: always blame the automagic :)
[20:13] <hallyn> stgraber: well i'd noticed it when working on 0.8.0, so i knew we'd have to deal with it at some point...
[20:16] <hallyn> jjohansen: adding change_profile -> unconfined,  isn't allowing me to transition to unconfined?
[20:18] <jjohansen> hallyn: urgh, f$#@!!!!!!
[20:18] <hallyn> well it's possible i'm doing something wrong!
[20:18] <hallyn>  have two rules,
[20:18] <hallyn> transition -> lxc-*,
[20:18] <hallyn> transition -> unconfined,
[20:19] <jjohansen> hallyn: unlikely, unconfined is a special path, as soon as you said it, it hit me that I didn't try it
[20:19] <hallyn> ok
[20:19] <stgraber> :)
[20:19] <jjohansen> hallyn: I will get a patch out today
[20:20] <stgraber> jjohansen: did you consider using lxc as your official test suite? seems like we have pretty good code coverage there ;)
[20:20] <hallyn> stgraber: when i use 'deny mount fstype=debugfs,' before the allow rule for /sys/kernel/debug, container does not start
[20:20] <hallyn> (or after)
[20:21] <jjohansen> stgraber: I don't think I am ready for that yet :)
[20:21] <hallyn> jjohansen: thanks
[20:21] <jjohansen> stgraber: actually lxc will be, being rolled into the testing more
[20:22] <stgraber> hallyn: oh right, I'm guessing it's "normal" in apparmor world... "deny mount fstype=debugs" denies all debugfs including the one we explicitly allowed for /sys/kernel/debug
[20:22]  * jjohansen shakes head at the bugs this cycle
[20:22] <stgraber> jjohansen: ^ is that right? "deny mount fstype=debugfs," blocking our "mount fstype=debugfs -> //sys/kernel/debug/,"
[20:23] <hallyn> jjohansen: but look at how cool it'll be when done :)
[20:23] <jjohansen> stgraber: erm yeah deny, will actually subtract permissions from allow rules.  Its an absolute this is denied
[20:23] <stgraber> ok, that's what I thought
[20:23] <hallyn> so do i just wnat 'dontaudit' ?
[20:23] <jjohansen> hallyn: yeah, one of these days ...
[20:23] <jjohansen> hallyn: dontaudit?
[20:24] <stgraber> hallyn: just go with "deny mount fstype=debugfs -> /var/lib/ureadahead/debugfs/", then
[20:24] <hallyn> yeah i guess so. technically that's the only one we're sure we're ok being quiet about anyway!
[20:24] <stgraber> hallyn: so we only silently deny this one and will update if we discover any other one we didn't know about :)
[20:26] <hallyn> and that actually works :)  will do
[20:27] <Jeeves_> Hi all
[20:27] <Jeeves_> Can I ask for some non-ubuntu-related advice on disks and smartctl?
[20:33] <hallyn> stgraber: i'm getting ready to push http://people.canonical.com/~serge/lxc.debdiff
[20:33] <stgraber> looking
[20:34] <stgraber> hallyn: lxc-0.7.5/debian/lxc-default.apparmor: can you drop the FIXME in there too? it's no longer relevant with the new kernel
[20:34] <stgraber> hallyn: (FIXME above the deny for remount,ro of /)
[20:34] <hallyn> the 'Doesn't match yet' ?
[20:34] <stgraber> yep
[20:35] <stgraber> rest looks good, thanks
[20:35] <hallyn> thanks, pushing
[21:25] <mcloy> well i have a domain . and i host it on  my box. i need an<EMAIL_ADDRESS>..............
[21:25] <mcloy>  i want to setup email accounts for my domains. i have a linux server avaialabe for hosting. how can i setup the emails ?
[21:33] <qman__> mcloy, this is covered in the server guide under postfix: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/postfix.html
[21:34] <qman__> and a more advanced, complete setup here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PostfixVirtualMailBoxClamSmtpHowto
[21:36] <mcloy> isnt this what i need https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MailServer    ?
[22:09] <psyferre_> Hey folks,  I've got a machine running Ubuntu 10.10 server.  Given that the support EOL is "April 2012", does that mean I have two days before do-release-upgrade will cease to work?
[22:15] <Myrtti> no, it means you've got until the last thursday of April or so
[22:19] <SpamapS> uh
[22:20] <SpamapS> do-release-upgrade will work as long as natty is available
[22:20] <SpamapS> psyferre_: you have until the last thursday of April to keep getting support and security updates...
[22:20] <SpamapS> psyferre_: do-release-upgrade will work at *least* 6 more months.
[22:20] <SpamapS> I'd expect that one could coax it to work even after natty goes EOL too.
[22:21] <SpamapS> but I don't know for sure if that works
[22:21] <psyferre_> Awesome.  Thanks!  I knew it would eventually stop working, but I wasn't sure when and couldn't seem to hit the right google search string to find out for sure.


[14:49] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- xnox, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4608 Needs rebuild due to higher version at destination (focal/backport-iwlwifi-dkms, focal/evdi, focal/openafs). Ready to build (focal/xtables-addons)


[07:25] <Kilos> morning everyone
[09:48] <prob016y7> Good day, hello I have a small problem - liveitchurch.com in Gauteng - South Africa - Accidentally creamated my ~60yo mother Rita Lillian Gerber - because they thought linux was gay
[09:48] <prob016y7> Witpoortjie
[09:48] <prob016y7> literally
[09:49] <prob016y7> Peter Strauss & Betty Strauss of NG Kerk liveitchurch.com in a massive rush treated me like a retard through mym mothers funeral, then "accidentally" creamated her - thinking linux was a virus
[09:49] <prob016y7> *my
[09:53] <prob016y7> this happened almost two years ago - people involved - Christo Van Niekerk - homosexual racist gay version of Hulk Hulgan in Witpoortjie - that "accidentally" gave my mother a dogbite, Peter Strauss - still bragging about murdering my mother at Laratong hospital (after she was accidentally creamated)
[10:31] <superfly> Spammer
[13:52] <Kilos> inetpro ping
[14:52] <Kilos> inetpro unping
[15:50] <squish102> anyone do a ubuntu (whatever) with virtualbox running for critical services... like running pfsence (router)
[15:57] <inetpro> good mornings
[15:57] <inetpro> oh and hi Kilos
[15:57] <inetpro> Kilos: and pong as well
[15:57] <inetpro> Kilos: oh and unpong
[15:59] <inetpro> squish102: I would not recommend virtualbox for critical services
[15:59] <Kilos> haha
[16:00] <inetpro> I think it's used more on desktops and laptops for testing stuff locally
[16:01]  * inetpro hurting after the loss against England
[16:01] <Kilos> terrible
[16:01] <inetpro> shocking!
[16:01] <Kilos> shameful
[16:01] <Kilos> disgusting
[16:02] <Kilos> disgraceful
[16:02] <Kilos> sommer net sleg
[16:02] <squish102> thanks inetpro, that is what i was thinking, but my ubuntu server runs well and i dont want to try pick it up and then put esx underneath it
[16:04] <inetpro> Kilos: success is the result of perfection, hard work, learning from failure, loyalty, and persistence... we'll stand up and get to the top again soon
[16:04] <Kilos> hears hoping
[16:06] <Kilos> hi Bilel_mk
[16:06] <Kilos> inetpro he has a question for you
[16:06] <inetpro> uh me?
[16:07] <Kilos> yes you its server stuff
[16:07] <inetpro> don't ask to ask, just ask
[16:07] <Kilos> state your problem Bilel_mk
[16:08] <inetpro> there's many others here who may know the answer plus more
[16:09] <Bilel_mk> hey everyone ! i new hear my problem is  wen i want to upload a pack.zip on free webhosting  server with filezila pop up to me this error Command:	STOR pack.zip
[16:09] <Bilel_mk> Response:	550 pack.zip: Forbidden filename
[16:09] <Bilel_mk> Error:	Critical file transfer error
[16:10] <Bilel_mk> eof
[16:11] <smile> end of file o.O
[16:11] <Kilos> tell him how to fix it smile
[16:11] <smile> Bilel_mk: I suspect they don't allow uploading ZIP files
[16:11] <smile> Kilos: I was already typing it ;)
[16:11] <Kilos> haha
[16:11] <Kilos> good lad
[16:11] <Kilos> ty
[16:12] <smile> Kilos: you can understand Nederlands, right :p
[16:12] <Kilos> little bit
[16:12] <smile> http://hugsmile.eu/tools/media -> click the third link, I'm in the news again! :p
[16:13] <Bilel_mk> smile, okay fair enough i will try other server thank you for your time
[16:13] <Kilos> whew all that reading
[16:14] <inetpro> see, somebody even answered long before I could even read about the problem
[16:14] <Kilos> Bilel_mk
[16:14] <smile> inetpro: you too slow :o
[16:14] <Kilos> try unzip it and then send
[16:14] <Bilel_mk> okay :)
[16:14] <inetpro> don't ever be afraid to ask
[16:14] <Kilos> you are welcome to ask here anytime Bilel_mk
[16:15] <Kilos> just at times you have to wait long for a reply
[16:15] <squish102> is that when inetpro is sleeping?
[16:15] <inetpro> haha :-)
[16:16] <Kilos> yes
[16:16] <Bilel_mk> hhhhhhhhhh..... thank you all !
[16:16] <Kilos> and thats often
[16:16] <inetpro> Maaz: failure
[16:16] <Maaz> the only people who never fail at anything are those who never try anything
[16:16]  * smile is not often here
[16:17] <smile> Kilos: have you read the news o.O
[16:17] <Kilos> ai!
[16:17] <Kilos> there is too much to work through smile
[16:17] <Bilel_mk> Maaz, i agree with you
[16:17] <Maaz> Bilel_mk: *blink*
[16:17] <smile> on that page? :p
[16:17] <Kilos> tell me the basics in english
[16:17] <squish102> use google to translate page Kilos ;)
[16:17] <smile> wikipedia has turned 15 and they interviewed me quickly :p
[16:17] <Kilos> Bilel_mk maaz is our irc bot
[16:17] <smile> among others
[16:18] <Kilos> nono smile must translate
[16:18] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[16:18]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[16:18] <Kilos> he is better than google translate
[16:18] <Bilel_mk> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....... okay
[16:18] <Kilos> and leaves out unimportant stuff
[16:18] <Kilos> Maaz coffee please
[16:18] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[16:19] <Bilel_mk> perfect!
[16:19] <smile> translate? :p let me see
[16:19] <squish102> google translate has one of the headings as "White Men"
[16:19] <Kilos> just the part you are proud about smile
[16:20] <Kilos> lets here what you did well again
[16:20] <Kilos> hear
[16:21] <Kilos> smile wb
[16:21] <smile_> Kilos:     “Wikipedia heeft nog altijd de reputatie een nerdsite te zijn.” means "Wikipedia still has the reputation of being a nerd site". It's really quoted like it should, big :D
[16:22] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[16:22] <smile_> thanks, I misclicked
[16:22] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[16:22] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[16:22] <Kilos> oh doesnt everyone use wikipedia?
[16:22] <Kilos> Maaz danke
[16:22] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[16:23] <Bilel_mk> Maaz, Gutten
[16:23] <Maaz> Bilel_mk: *blink*
[16:23] <squish102> i think google uses it to show info on the right of search
[16:23] <smile_> Whatever does not cooperate is the lack of women's commitment to the site, says Rientjes. They are mostly white men who are actively engaged in keeping Wikipedia; the proportion of female Wikipedians coming years no further than 10 to 15 percent.
[16:23] <smile_> That's according to Wikipediaan Geoffrey De Belie including through the image (reputation of the site).  Though, according to him this is no longer true, but people hold on to that idea. This keeps people (readers) from becoming contributors.
[16:24] <smile_> :DD
[16:24] <smile_> that's it
[16:24] <Kilos> well smile advertise more
[16:24] <Kilos> oh i have some news for you all
[16:25] <smile> :o :o
[16:25] <smile> what's going to explode
[16:25] <Kilos> the loco leader in wisconsin is only 13 years old
[16:25] <squish102> we lost the cricket?
[16:25] <Kilos> im trying to forget about the cricket
[16:26] <ikbenerniet> Kilos: 13 yo? o.O
[16:26] <Kilos> yeah
[16:26] <ikbenerniet> at least it's not a baby :p
[16:26] <Kilos> lol
[16:26] <ikbenerniet> :D
[16:27] <Kilos> thats so you can feel old as well
[16:27] <ikbenerniet> :p yeah
[16:27] <ikbenerniet> https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Media-aandacht/2016 <- I made a list of the news articles, mostly written in Nederlands
[16:27] <ikbenerniet> there were a lot of articles
[16:28] <Kilos> you need to branch out more towards english
[16:28] <ikbenerniet> and nobody collected them in a list, so I did :p
[16:28] <ikbenerniet> Kilos: it's the Nederlandstalige Wikipedia
[16:28] <Kilos> the whole world uses english
[16:28] <Kilos> fix all the wikis man
[16:28] <ikbenerniet> Kilos: there is http://en.wikipedia.org :p
[16:28] <ikbenerniet> no not all of them XD
[16:28] <Kilos> what
[16:28] <Kilos> you lazy again
[16:29] <ikbenerniet> yeah XD
[16:29] <Kilos> chasing girls
[16:29] <ikbenerniet> yeah XD
[16:29] <Kilos> sigh
[16:29] <ikbenerniet> you too old to chase girls? :p
[16:29] <Kilos> nono
[16:29] <ikbenerniet> I still think so :p
[16:29] <Kilos> i dont need to chase
[16:29] <ikbenerniet> sheep are girls too :p
[16:30] <Kilos> even the sheep come when i call them
[16:30] <ikbenerniet> that's because you are great
[16:30] <ikbenerniet> do you want to see my town in a picture
[16:31] <Kilos> no man i nag until they rather listen first time than have to put up with the nagging
[16:31] <Kilos> yes ok
[16:31] <Kilos> use our picpaste
[16:31] <Kilos> http://pasteboard.co
[16:31] <ikbenerniet> it's already online :p http://www.hln.be/regio/nieuws-uit-sint-niklaas/water-aan-de-lippen-in-omstreden-populierenwijk-ii-a2586720/ <- they are building a new quarter in my town in a flood area
[16:32] <ikbenerniet> (that water isn't supposed to be there :p )
[16:32] <Kilos> yes i see
[16:32] <Kilos> we in a drought period
[16:32] <ikbenerniet> yesterday rain fell down at 30liters / m2
[16:33] <ikbenerniet> per hour :p
[16:33] <Kilos> whew
[16:33] <ikbenerniet> so you can imagine half of my province was under water :p
[16:33] <Kilos> we get that much in ten years when we are lucky
[16:33] <Kilos> you guys already live in a reclaimed swamp
[16:34] <Kilos> you need to built a dome over the top now
[16:34] <ikbenerniet> this is rather exceptional too :p but not that exceptional as in "we don't get that rain in 10 years" but that's what we normally get in January, on one day
[16:34] <ikbenerniet> yeah I live in the "Land van Waas" :p which means land of haze/mist
[16:35] <Kilos> we are very luckt when we get 400mm a year
[16:35] <ikbenerniet> o.O
[16:37] <ikbenerniet> Kilos: last year in January: 123,9 mm
[16:37] <Kilos> whew
[16:37] <Kilos> send some here
[16:37] <ikbenerniet> with 25 days of some sort of water :p rain / snow / ...
[16:38] <Kilos> we are having the worst drought in living memory
[16:38] <ikbenerniet> :(
[16:38] <ikbenerniet> in some parts of our country it is freezing cold right now :p
[16:38] <ikbenerniet> which means there fell a lot of snow :p
[16:39] <ikbenerniet> we haven't had winter until now
[16:39] <ikbenerniet> in december we had average temperatures around 12 °C
[16:39] <ikbenerniet> which is very warm :)
[16:39] <ikbenerniet> ik ga eten, smakelijk eten, Kilos
[16:39] <Kilos> eeek
[16:39] <Kilos> ok
[16:39] <Kilos> enjoy
[16:40] <ikbenerniet> thanks :D
[16:40] <ikbenerniet> ik ga dik worden
[16:40] <ikbenerniet> ;)
[16:40] <Kilos> lol
[16:40] <Kilos> :D
[18:07] <smile> I'm fat enough now, Kilos
[18:07] <Kilos> lol
[18:24] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:52] <superfly> smile: I skimmed through that article. I'm tired, and I don't feel like engaging my brain right now :-(
[18:57] <smile> superfly: you can read it always after the fact, it will be linked for quite a while at http://hugsmile.eu/tools/media :p
[20:04] <smile> bye :)


[03:23] <Sarvatt> ehoover: no need, googling it turned up the wine bug, easy test case attached there :)
[03:24] <Sarvatt> http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31406
[03:24] <ehoover> Awesome, do you guys need anything else from me?
[03:25] <Sarvatt> nope! thanks again for that
[03:25] <ehoover> No, thank you guys so much for looking into it!
[07:25] <mlankhorst> morning
[07:25] <tjaalton> yo
[07:32] <mlankhorst> ok q-lts-backport updated to recent stack :p
[07:32] <mlankhorst> I think armhf would work too, but there was some fun interaction between the ti-omap ppa that will prevent it from working for now
[07:33] <tjaalton> x11-xserver-utils with xrandr snapshot uploaded
[07:33] <mlankhorst> needs a custom xorg-server + updated EGL binaries
[07:33] <tjaalton> heh
[07:36] <mlankhorst> which is about good enough to upload it to q-lts-backport I suppose, needs some solution for libgl1 though
[07:39] <mlankhorst> is it ok if I make people specify the solution manually for now?
[07:39] <tjaalton> what do you mean?
[07:39] <tjaalton> for arm?
[07:40] <mlankhorst> seems to require apt-get install xserver-xorg-lts-quantal libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-quantal for now, else it removes a bunch of stuff
[07:40] <mlankhorst> but that was testing on arm, which doesn't use libgl
[08:20] <mlankhorst> I think I found the solution though if the abi requires different packaging in fglrx
[08:20] <mlankhorst> if there are conflicting packages they are simply deleted, and only added back if another package explicitly requires it
[08:34] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: should we upload qxl/r128/mga to satisfy those with ocd in http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html ?
[08:40] <tjaalton> ocd?
[08:45] <mlankhorst> obsessive compulsive
[08:46] <tjaalton> ah
[08:46] <tjaalton> -qxl needs newer spice
[08:46] <tjaalton> dunno if it's in yet, there's a ffe for it
[08:46] <mlankhorst> ah
[08:52] <tjaalton> hmm, so -qxl will be an issue
[08:53] <tjaalton> should probably drop it from -video-all for the backports
[08:53] <tjaalton> or backport spice too..
[08:56] <popey> is there an alternative to xrestop? it seems there's a bug in it upstream which causes it to kill x when you run it. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=851885
[08:58] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: I thought it was only a build-depends, though..
[08:58] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: how do you satisfy the b-dep without providing the binaries?
[08:58] <tjaalton> api changed
[08:59] <jcristau> popey: if xrestop crashes X that can't possibly be a bug in xrestop.
[09:08] <popey> jcristau, ok, noted :)
[09:13] <tjaalton> popey: yeah, please file it against the xserver
[09:31] <tjaalton> -r128 6.9.1 uploaded
[09:38] <tjaalton> and -mga 1.6.2
[09:41] <mlankhorst> yay
[09:45] <popey> ok tjaalton
[09:49] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: we could just drop qxl for the backport, it's meant for new hardware enablement so no point in porting it
[09:49] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: yeah
[10:07] <mlankhorst> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/107849042/Stacktrace.txt oh fun
[10:13] <mlankhorst> RAOF: ping?
[10:13] <tjaalton> where's that from?
[10:13] <mlankhorst> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/1014419
[10:14] <tjaalton> that's kinda old
[10:14] <mlankhorst> oh :p
[10:14] <tjaalton> i mean, we've gone via 1.12 to 1.13 now :)
[10:14] <mlankhorst> yeah
[10:15] <mlankhorst> but was looking at it because the backtrace was interesting and something that could theoretically still happen
[10:15] <mlankhorst> not sure if -core would help here
[11:35] <mlankhorst> oh another bug valgrind found in intel *sigh*
[12:09] <tjaalton> impossible :)
[12:37] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: can you upload intel?
[12:40] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: yup, done
[12:40] <mlankhorst> thanks
[12:46] <mlankhorst> ok seems xorg-server is clean now on my intel system, *tries ati*
[12:47] <tjaalton> valgrind-wise?
[12:47] <mlankhorst> yeah just a lot of scary warnings from ioctl's
[12:48] <mlankhorst> maybe I should add some valgrind annotations to libdrm, so it will shut up about the ioctl's
[13:22] <mlankhorst> nouveau seems ok too
[14:41] <mlankhorst> argh just as I give it a all clear ati decides to crash on me, evil ati :(
[17:43] <ehoover> Sarvatt: There's a testcase for bug 1059276 that just used XCB directly, would you like me to update the description to link to that instead?
[18:58] <Sarvatt> did i enable the patch system properly in https://launchpadlibrarian.net/118032526/libxcb_1.8.1-1ubuntu1.debdiff ?
[18:58] <Sarvatt> ehoover: yeah can ya just add that one too?
[19:08] <ehoover> Sarvatt: I don't know what you're asking (sorry, was down in the lab).
[19:08] <Sarvatt> ya said you had a testcase that uses xcb directly?
[19:13] <jcristau> Sarvatt: there's one attached to https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54671
[19:16] <ehoover> Yeah, I've just finished adding the XCB test case to the description.
[19:17] <ehoover> I meant the "did i enable the patch system properly"?
[19:18] <ehoover> Sarvatt: oops, it looks like I might have overriden your description changes.
[19:18] <Sarvatt> no biggie, had them saved
[20:17] <bryceh> Sarvatt, on bug 1059276, need sponsorship?
[20:19] <Sarvatt> bryceh: would be much appreciated, but the ppa finally finished publishing so i'm about to try it out now first to be sure it fixes the test cases
[20:19] <Sarvatt> had to use a ppa because its a pain in the butt building those for both arches :P
[20:19] <bryceh> Sarvatt, okie doke.  Ping me if/when you're ready for uploads
[20:20] <Sarvatt> these humble games make me desperately want delta debs :)
[20:20] <Sarvatt> redownloading 2gb just for a package dependency change is a PITA
[20:21] <mlankhorst> heya
[20:22] <Sarvatt> bryceh: both test cases pass, ship it!
[20:22] <Sarvatt> mlankhorst: it's nuts how much you play that game :)
[20:23] <mlankhorst> Sarvatt: doing it with a friend, not alone
[20:23] <mlankhorst> helping him test the mod he's writing for a school project
[20:23] <Sarvatt> oh only 148 hours.. seems like every time i log in you're in it :) RAOF has you beat in civ 5!
[20:23] <mlankhorst> if it was alone I would have been long bored with it
[20:24] <mlankhorst> Sarvatt: because you log in when I play :p
[20:24] <mlankhorst> and it's evening here lol
[20:24] <Sarvatt> mlankhorst: wow, 31 days playing TF2. you are the winner :)
[20:24] <mlankhorst> haha
[20:24] <mlankhorst> Sarvatt: and that's only after it started recording..
[20:25] <mlankhorst> but I have a live now, I think
[20:26] <Azelphur> pfft, 31 days is nothing
[20:26] <Azelphur> http://steamcommunity.com/id/Azelphur/
[20:26] <Sarvatt> holy crap :)
[20:26] <Azelphur> xD
[20:27] <mlankhorst> it's not world of warcraft o.O
[20:27] <Azelphur> I been there and done that with WoW too :D
[20:27] <Azelphur> but nah, most of my TF2 time is idling, since you can get free stuff just by going afk haha
[20:28] <mlankhorst> nothing to be proud of, more ashamed of
[20:28] <Azelphur> haha
[20:28] <Azelphur> obviously havn't played TF2 for 6000+ hours, xD
[20:31] <mlankhorst> you do realize you only get a fixed amount of items per week right?
[20:31] <Azelphur> you do now, you didn't originally
[20:31] <Azelphur> which is where I built up about 4500 of those 6000 hours xD
[20:31] <mlankhorst> oh right, bet you don't have cheater's lament, then
[20:31] <Azelphur> amusingly, I do
[20:31] <mlankhorst> aw
[20:31] <Azelphur> and I cheated
[20:31] <mlankhorst> I hate you
[20:32] <Azelphur> haha
[20:33] <Azelphur> mlankhorst: if your into items, check out page 6 http://tf2items.com/id/azelphur
[20:34] <mlankhorst> I don't care about that :p
[20:34] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:35] <Azelphur> I do it all under wine too, btw \o/
[20:43] <bryceh> Sarvatt, the ppa packages are identical to the debdiffs, other than the version number (and precise-proposed)?
[20:46] <bryceh> yep looks like
[20:47] <bryceh> Sarvatt, upload sponsored
[20:50] <Sarvatt> bryceh: yep sure are, thank you for that! I didn't want to harass you guys so just subscribed sponsors
[20:54] <bryceh> Sarvatt, no prob, was in the mood to upload something ;-)
[20:55] <bryceh> well, actually, I'm thrilled to see our graph going down at this stage in the release (this hasn't happened before afaik!)  http://www.bryceharrington.org/Arsenal/ubuntu-x-swat/Reports/totals-quantal-workqueue.svg
[20:56] <mlankhorst> nouveau's likely going to stay open though
[20:56] <mlankhorst> :(
[20:56] <mlankhorst> but yeah I tried valgrinding some, it really does help finding some bugs proactively
[20:58] <bryceh> mlankhorst, to get them off this graph it's sufficient to simply get them forwarded upstream
[20:58] <mlankhorst> ah
[20:58] <bryceh> bugs that have open upstream bug tasks are excluded from the count
[20:58] <bryceh> (the graph is trying to only count "bugs we can actually do some action on")
[20:59] <mlankhorst> bryceh: I mean more in finding bugs early also means there's not going to be bug reports about them
[20:59] <mlankhorst> having valgrind and all the -dbg symbols for easy local backtracing does help a lot
[20:59] <Sarvatt> wow, and i haven't even been looking at many public bugs this cycle because we're swimming in so many private ones
[20:59] <bryceh> also, if bug reports don't make sense, setting them to incomplete with a question to the reporter also excludes them from the list
[20:59] <mlankhorst> ah k
[21:00] <mlankhorst> but for nouveau, what's the point of doing bug reports if upstream won't look at it :-(
[21:01] <bryceh> mlankhorst, Sarvatt yeah there's been a lot less bug filing this cycle, which is either great news, or means all our users are sticking to 12.04 ;-)
[21:01] <mlankhorst> HEY! I'm on 12.04!!
[21:01] <Sarvatt> hell I stuck to 12.04 until 2-3 weeks ago :)
[21:02] <bryceh> that's two data points to proving the latter!
[21:02] <bryceh> actually three, I'm on 12.04 too (since the valve stuff targets 12.04)
[21:02] <mlankhorst> bryceh: but in my case it's since I need to keep testing the X stack, and I'm actually on quantal for stuff that matters..
[21:03] <tjaalton> i have only my main desktop still on 12.04, and probably will update to the backport stack at some point
[21:03] <bryceh> mlankhorst, yup.  it's awesome how much more serious attention we're all putting on 12.04.  I thought 10.04 got a lot of post-release attention but it was nothing like we're doing with 12.04
[21:04] <mlankhorst> well I want things to just work, I did actually hit that synaptics suspend bug on my laptop at one point
[21:07] <bryceh> mlankhorst, if -nouveau is complete fubar, what's going to happen when that gets backported to 12.04 via your lts stack?
[21:09] <bryceh> some of those nouveau bugs may be dupes, like all the screen corruption issues
[21:10] <mlankhorst> bryceh: well people don't HAVE to use the new stuff, so if they don't things stay the same
[21:13] <Sarvatt> ugh libxcb-util soname bump, thats going to need a lot of rebuilds next cycle
[21:14] <jcristau> again?
[21:15] <Sarvatt> back in may
[21:15] <jcristau> ah
[21:15] <jcristau> meh, it has like 3 rdeps
[21:15] <Sarvatt> oh thought it was more for some reason, intel driver at least
[21:15] <jcristau> or am i thinking of something else
[21:15] <jcristau> hmm
[21:16] <jcristau> yeah i think i'm just confused
[21:17] <Sarvatt> util-wm had a bunch of obscure window managers i had to rebuild in edgers last time, that got a bump too
[21:18] <mlankhorst> bryceh: yeah probably although it depends if their cards are simialr enough or not :-)
[21:19] <mlankhorst> closed one more bug, muaha
[21:19] <bryceh> mlankhorst, tomorrow would you mind browsing through them and duping whichever ones do look similar?
[21:19] <mlankhorst> sure
[21:20] <bryceh> awesome, thanks
[21:22] <jcristau> Sarvatt: ah right xcb-util was deferred in june because of the upcoming wheezy freeze back then
[21:23] <jcristau> hrm
[21:23] <jcristau> looks like the soname bump was avoidable...
[21:24] <mlankhorst> omap one closed too, seemed to have been invalid :p
[21:26] <mlankhorst> bryceh: are you not tracking geode or is there no bug for it?
[21:29] <bryceh> mlankhorst, hmm, thought we were tracking that, no reason not to.  lemme check
[21:29] <tjaalton> no bugs on quantal
[21:30] <tjaalton> for geode
[21:30] <mlankhorst> I'm fairly sure the fix I did just leaves it working on a compile level only, so it's probably more evidence nobody is using it
[21:30] <mlankhorst> either that or the fix did work
[21:30] <bryceh> yes we are tracking it, just no quantal bugs like tjaalton says
[21:31] <tjaalton> the maintainer was pinging me some time ago, wanted to sync some cleanup version so I guess it works as is
[21:31] <bryceh> the type of user for geode is unlikely to care about non-lts releases.  And actually might be they all just stick with 10.04 or something home built.  It's rather appliance-ish
[21:32] <tjaalton> oh we could sync 2.11.13-6
[21:32] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: ah :-)
[21:33] <bryceh> tjaalton, wasn't there an exa update or something for it?
[21:33] <tjaalton> bryceh: not sure
[21:33] <tjaalton> and actually, our version is newer than on debian, so can't sync it
[21:33] <tjaalton> remember telling him that..
[21:33] <Sarvatt> err, noone can even use geode on 12.10 can they since its PAE only?
[21:34] <mlankhorst> quite possibly
[21:34] <tjaalton> you can't install it
[21:34] <tjaalton> :)
[21:34]  * Sarvatt looks it up
[21:34] <tjaalton> he keeps syncing from git but doesn't touch the upstream version, so meh
[21:36] <Sarvatt> not seeing any geodes that support PAE and 12.04 was the last release with a non PAE kernel so.. yeah
[21:38] <mlankhorst> can we drop it from main then?
[21:38] <tjaalton> and -video-all
[21:38] <tjaalton> same thing
[21:38] <mlankhorst> yeah :p
[21:39]  * mlankhorst prepares salutory parting shot
[21:40] <mlankhorst> cirrus too? should be using modesetting driver by now
[21:40] <tjaalton> is it?
[21:40] <Sarvatt> mlankhorst: they just disabled the cirrus drm driver
[21:40] <bryceh> I think I have one of the geodes in some drawer somewhere, if anyone wants it.  has to be booted via PXE
[21:41] <stgraber> hmm, most geodes won't boot anyway
[21:41] <Sarvatt> -modesetting wasn't working as good as -cirrus or something
[21:42] <stgraber> they died when we started being pure i686
[21:42] <mlankhorst> Sarvatt: sigh, ok
[21:42] <stgraber> except for some Geode LX that are i686 and may still boot
[21:43] <mlankhorst> geode lx should work, using shadowfb
[21:43] <mlankhorst> earlier actually had hardware acceleration and won't work for sure
[21:45] <mlankhorst> ok pushed the commit for xorg to kill off geode, can anyone upload it?
[21:46] <mlankhorst> and bed
[21:46] <mlankhorst> night all :-)
[21:48] <tjaalton> same
[22:27]  * mlankhorst steals bryceh's steam key
[22:30] <bryceh> heh
[22:58] <Prf_Jakob> So who do I need to buy a beer/whiskey to get into the Steam beta? :-)
[23:00] <mlankhorst> well make hellstrom come to uds :p
[23:01] <Prf_Jakob> 3 kids of which two are ~1 year old twins makes that unlikely :-/
[23:01] <Prf_Jakob> Where is it btw?
[23:02] <mlankhorst> copenhagen
[23:02] <Prf_Jakob> Oh thats actually close.
[23:02] <Prf_Jakob> Send him a email
[23:03] <Prf_Jakob> ~4h car ride
[23:04] <mlankhorst> i will
[23:05] <Prf_Jakob> I will try and make it as well
[23:05] <Prf_Jakob> Even tho I'm on leave from VMware right now.
[23:05] <Sarvatt> worst part about not going to UDS in copenhagen - finding out valve will be there the week after you realize you can't go :(
[23:06] <mlankhorst> cant you pay extra to get passport done sooner? :p
[23:06] <mlankhorst> here you can get it in the next day instead of next week if you pay some extra
[23:06] <Sarvatt> mlankhorst: i already mailed mine off, i coulda got it done the same day for money if i realized it would take 1.5 months through the mail :(
[23:08] <Sarvatt> yeah i live right outside of dc where the passports are made, i got my last one 10 years ago done the same day, tried to save $100 this time, big mistake
[23:09] <Prf_Jakob> Is UDS invite only btw?
[23:09] <Sarvatt> nope
[23:09] <Sarvatt> invite only if you are expecting it to be sponsored and paid for by canonical
[23:10] <Prf_Jakob> Ah ok
[23:10] <RAOF> Everyone else is welcome to rock up!
[23:11] <Prf_Jakob> 3:46h train ride for $50 (one way).
[23:11] <RAOF> Damn Europeans and their awesome transit systems.
[23:12] <Sarvatt> I know right..
[23:12] <Prf_Jakob> Also not that far away...
[23:12] <Sarvatt> hotel will probably be nuts though
[23:12] <mlankhorst> pssh sleep on t he conference floor or party all night with caffein :p
[23:16] <Prf_Jakob> $957 for the whole thing.
[23:19] <mlankhorst> so you don't need any food? >:-)
[23:19] <Sarvatt> Prf_Jakob: UDS discount rates?
[23:19] <Sarvatt> UDS includes breakfast and dinner
[23:19] <Prf_Jakob> Sarvatt: yes
[23:19] <Sarvatt> err lunch
[23:19] <Sarvatt> just not dinner
[23:19] <Prf_Jakob> $957 for the hotel.
[23:20] <Prf_Jakob> According to XE.com
[23:20] <Sarvatt> oh was hoping you could save more by using the discount rate, they almost always have one
[23:20] <Prf_Jakob> Well thats for what 5nights.
[23:22] <RAOF> So you can visit Legoland!
[23:23] <Prf_Jakob> Haha
[23:23] <mlankhorst> RAOF: do you have a roomie yet?
[23:23] <RAOF> mlankhorst: I don't think so, no.
[23:25] <mlankhorst> want one?
[23:25]  * RAOF is just trying to find the wiki page to see if he has one already :)
[23:25] <Prf_Jakob> mlankhorst: You might need start working on sponsering Thomas btw, I'm not sure we have started a new budget quarter yet.
[23:25] <mlankhorst> https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuEngineering/UDS/R/PeopleName
[23:26] <Sarvatt> Prf_Jakob: its too late afaik :(
[23:26] <Prf_Jakob> Sarvatt: oh okay :-/
[23:28] <RAOF> Currently getting the lucky dip roomie!
[23:28] <Sarvatt> dip roomie?
[23:28] <mlankhorst> panda died on me! argh
[23:28] <mlankhorst> back
[23:29] <Sarvatt> mlankhorst: get a laptop for use in your bed, argh :)
[23:29] <mlankhorst> haha
[23:29] <mlankhorst> i'll take the eee one again
[23:29] <mlankhorst> but leave it in my room :P
[23:34] <bryceh> wb RAOF
[23:34] <Sarvatt> mlankhorst: why are you up at 1:34? :P
[23:34] <RAOF> Three day weekends are pretty good :)
[23:35] <RAOF> Pity I don't have enough leave to make every weekend a 3-day weekend :)
[23:35] <Sarvatt> RAOF: .au holiday?
[23:35] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Using up my leave.
[23:35] <Sarvatt> oh gotcha :)
[23:39] <bryceh> RAOF, btw you may want to read the TB irc log from today; I got some clarifications on what you can do vis a vis all the nvidia experimental stuff.  tl;dr TB considers you empowered to handle all the approvals for getting into -precise
[23:39] <RAOF> bryceh: Excellent. Will look into them.
[23:39] <Sarvatt> RAOF grew superpowers while on vacation :)
[23:40] <RAOF> Maybe next Monday I'll grow more!
[23:40]  * RAOF has taken Mondays off for pretty much the rest of the year.
[23:40] <bryceh> RAOF, also I jotted down my understanding of all the process steps for this at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/DriverUpdates with links to the TB discussions.
[23:40] <mlankhorst> oh speaking of which we need to sru llvm-3.1 to precise too :p
[23:40] <bryceh> actually they decided no new powers, just implied powers gained from the previous TB :-)
[23:40] <Sarvatt> RAOF: thats US sundays so noone in the US will notice :)
[23:41] <RAOF> mlankhorst: For the purposes of backportage?
[23:41] <mlankhorst> yeah and new wayland
[23:41] <RAOF> That's going to start getting nasty.
[23:42] <mlankhorst> it's actually a clean standalone package so not that hard
[23:45] <mlankhorst> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/q-lts-backport/+packages is cleaned up mostly
[23:49] <RAOF> Wayland could get nasty should something actually start using it :)
[23:50] <bryceh> quite
[23:51] <mlankhorst> RAOF: at that point the api is presumably stable enough to build mesa with
[23:51] <RAOF> That would indeed be the hope, yes.
[23:59] <mlankhorst> worst case we rename it but things can only improve by putting in a new wayland


[21:34] <dkessel> good evening
[21:35] <dkessel> i am trying to run "xfce4-appfinder" with autopilot using the command: autopilot3 launch -v -i Gtk xfce4-appfinder
[21:35] <dkessel> it fails with this: Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "autopilot"
[21:36] <dkessel> does xfce4-appfinder need to be patched to allow introspection, or is there anything else I can do?
[21:36] <thomi> dkessel: do you have libautopilot-gtk installed?
[21:36] <thomi> that's probably what's missing
[21:37] <robotfuel> dkessel: maybe it's this https://bugs.launchpad.net/autopilot/+bug/1254878
[21:37] <balloons> dkessel, -vv may or may not be helpful as well
[21:37] <robotfuel> is xfce4 using gtk3?
[21:37] <balloons> they are migrating to gtk3.. I think that will help
[21:37] <balloons> xcfe gtk2 stuff doesn't respond well
[21:38] <dkessel> thomi: i have libautopilot-gtk.
[21:38] <dkessel> let's see which version this app uses...
[21:38] <thomi> yeah, gtk2 is super-old, and we don't support it
[21:39] <dkessel> thomi: ok, it is gtk2...
[21:39] <thomi> :(
[21:40] <dkessel> moving on to the next in the list...
[21:55] <dkessel> ok, i found one app with gtk3 that can also be introspected
[21:55] <dkessel> good job on the new version of "autopilot vis" thomi :) (i guess that was you)
[21:57] <balloons> isn't it nice?
[21:59] <dkessel> balloons: i believe there once was an autopilot test for firefox... that uses gtk2 too i think?
[21:59] <dkessel> yes it is!
[22:00] <balloons> dkessel, there was.. and it didn't use introspection :-) I should know, I wrote it :p
[22:00] <balloons> my first "test" using autopilot.. before it was a 1.0 release even
[22:01] <dkessel> balloons: is that still working then?
[22:02] <balloons> dkessel, I imagine it might, lol. It isn't really useful. But without introspection you can do a few things if you make some assumptions
[22:02] <dkessel> i guess it cannot?
[22:02] <dkessel> hmmmm ok so autopilot does not *need* introspection
[22:03] <balloons> well i'm not sure it's there anymore.. But you could do some stuff with bamf and unity
[22:06] <dkessel> what do you mean?