[04:49] <tazgodx> so, anyone use a HD card?
[04:49] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[04:49] <tgm4883_laptop> i just have all the answers for you tonight
[04:49] <CBiLL> anyone here use UIRT USB IR?>
[04:50] <tazgodx> lol
[04:50] <CBiLL> tgm4883_laptop : you do? ok what the meaning of life?
[04:50] <tazgodx> do you have to get a HD antenna? or can you use a STB?
[04:50] <tazgodx> CBiLL: 42
[04:50] <CBiLL> wow what I am now
[04:50] <CBiLL> cool
[04:50] <CBiLL> thanks!
[04:50] <tazgodx> :)
[04:51] <tgm4883_laptop> Well, the meaning of life is #$*(@(*@&%*%@@)$>......BUFFER OVERFLOW ERROR
[04:51] <tgm4883_laptop> tazgodx, where do you live?
[04:51] <tazgodx> NW burbs of chicago
[04:51] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[04:52] <tgm4883_laptop> then you can stream via firewire if you want
[04:52] <tazgodx> firewire from my STB?
[04:52] <tgm4883_laptop> there are a couple options for you
[04:52] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[04:52] <tazgodx> so i don't need a HD TV tuner?
[04:53] <tgm4883_laptop> nope
[04:53] <tazgodx> wow
[04:54] <tgm4883_laptop> although there are a few problems with doing it, most notably that if the channels are broadcast poorly, then it wont record that channel
[04:54] <tgm4883_laptop> but it does allow you to get some other channels that would be otherwise unavailable to just a regular HD card (ie the pcHDTV 5500)
[04:54] <tgm4883_laptop> I stream over firewire and have a pcHDTV 5500
[04:54] <tazgodx> yeah, i was looking into the pcHDTV 5500
[04:55] <tgm4883_laptop> dont get it
[04:55] <tgm4883_laptop> :)
[04:55] <tazgodx> no?
[04:55] <tgm4883_laptop> actually, i love my 5500, but if I had to do it again, I would get the HDHomerun for $30 more as it has 2 HD tuners
[04:56] <tgm4883_laptop> the 5500 works great, I would just prefer the 2nd HD tuner
[04:56] <tazgodx> hmmm, and do i just plug those straight into the wall jack? or do i need an antenna for each one of the tuners?
[04:56] <tgm4883_laptop> who is your cable provider?
[04:56] <tazgodx> comcast
[04:56] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[04:57] <dooder> alright. quesiton that I'm sure has been answered but I can't find it. What are people doing without zap2it?
[04:57] <tgm4883_laptop> well comcast in my area broadcasts the local HD channels over the wire (whether I had the HD channels or not)
[04:57] <tgm4883_laptop> dooder, schedules direct
[04:57] <tgm4883_laptop> !schedulesdirect
[04:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about schedulesdirect - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:57] <tgm4883_laptop> arg, stupid ubotu
[04:58] <tgm4883_laptop> schedules direct offers the channel lineups for $15/6 months
[04:58] <dooder> tgm4883_laptop : is that in the package or will I need a custom build?
[04:59] <tgm4883_laptop> you will have to upgrade to mythtv .20.2, which is in the feisty-updates repo, the edgy-updates repo, gutsy universe repo, and a 3rd party dapper repo
[04:59] <tgm4883_laptop> if you are using breezy i can't help you
[04:59] <dooder> cool
[04:59] <dooder> I'm using knoppmyth right now
[04:59] <dooder> so I think I have to redo my setup this weekend
[05:00] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[05:00] <tazgodx> ok here is a weird question, if i record an HD program, can i stream to a SDTV frontend?
[05:00] <tgm4883_laptop> tazgodx, i believe it would just have the bars at the top and bottom, but it should work fine
[05:01] <tgm4883_laptop> providing the computer can handle it
[05:01] <tgm4883_laptop> dooder, are you planning on using feisty or gutsy, (or mythbuntu)?
[05:01] <tazgodx> all the processor power is on the backend when playing HD right?
[05:01] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[05:01] <tgm4883_laptop> in fact
[05:02] <tgm4883_laptop> recording HD takes almost no extra power
[05:02] <tgm4883_laptop> other than writing extra data
[05:02] <tazgodx> hmmm
[05:02] <tgm4883_laptop> what specs?
[05:02] <tazgodx> well my P4 can handle HD im pretty sure
[05:02] <CBiLL> well that sucks
[05:02] <tgm4883_laptop> processor speeD?
[05:03] <tgm4883_laptop> and video card?
[05:03] <tazgodx> im ont 100% on the specs, im actually useing my sisters, and my dads old computers for my mythtv setups :)
[05:03] <CBiLL> if you set up a lirc with no conf .. mode2 should work to test it right?
[05:03] <tgm4883_laptop> not sure CBILL
[05:03] <CBiLL> hrmmm
[05:03] <tazgodx> is there a command to type in terminal to find processor speed and vid card?
[05:03] <CBiLL> how does one test lirc first to see if ir reciever is working?
[05:04] <tgm4883_laptop> cat /proc/cpuinfo
[05:04] <tgm4883_laptop> and lspci
[05:04] <tgm4883_laptop> and put that in
[05:04] <tgm4883_laptop> !pastebin
[05:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:05] <tazgodx> GeForce FX 5200
[05:05] <tazgodx> and 1.8Ghz P4
[05:05] <tgm4883_laptop> have you played HD on it before?
[05:05] <tazgodx> can't use paste bin, thats my other computer that isn't on the net yet
[05:06] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[05:06] <tazgodx> nope, was hoping to test it out
[05:06] <tgm4883_laptop> FYI, wireless G isn't fast enough for HD
[05:06] <tgm4883_laptop> and im not sure that computer is either
[05:07] <tazgodx> oh, maybe i won't do HD than :(
[05:07] <tgm4883_laptop> I could almost* do HD with an athlon XP 2200+ and a geforce 5500 with XvMC activated
[05:08] <tazgodx> everytime i activated XvMC my video would just go out...i don't use that option anymore
[05:09] <tgm4883_laptop> did you edit the necessary file?
[05:09] <tazgodx> i need to find anohter TV tuner tho. one jsut isn't enough
[05:09] <tazgodx> i believe so....but not sure
[05:10] <tgm4883_laptop> what do you have now?
[05:10] <tazgodx> PVR-350
[05:10] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[05:10] <tgm4883_laptop> i like my pvr-150
[05:10] <tgm4883_laptop> good card
[05:10] <tazgodx> yeah, i was thinking about a few 150's
[05:10] <tgm4883_laptop> or a pvr-500
[05:10] <tazgodx> the only thing the 350 had that i wanted was the remote :)
[05:10] <tgm4883_laptop> 2 pvr-150's in one
[05:10] <tazgodx> only need one of them
[05:11] <tazgodx> maybe ill look into the 500
[05:11] <tgm4883_laptop> don't they all come with the same remote?
[05:11] <tazgodx> i don't think the 150 comes with a remote
[05:11] <tgm4883_laptop> I use the MCEUSB2 remote and love it
[05:11] <tgm4883_laptop> the 150 does come with a remote
[05:12] <tgm4883_laptop> there is also a MCE model of the hauppauge line and I don't think they come with remotes
[05:12] <tazgodx> hmm, maybe i was mistaken
[05:12] <tgm4883_laptop> and you could also use a serial ir receiver and any remote
[05:12] <tazgodx> is the best way to plug all these tuners in splitters?
[05:13] <tazgodx> i have a serial IR blaster, so i can attempt to use my STB....i have yet to get that working
[05:13] <tgm4883_laptop> I think so, you may need a booster depending on how many splits and the qualilty of the signal
[05:14] <tgm4883_laptop> another benefit of firewire.  Changes channels on the STB over firewire
[05:14] <tazgodx> does the firewire only work with HD? or can i watch any channel with that?
[05:14] <tgm4883_laptop> any channel
[05:15] <tgm4883_laptop> although im not a fan of analog over firewire
[05:15] <tazgodx> haha, well you said my PC can't handle HD. so im not gonna try that...
[05:16] <tazgodx> there is a guy on ebay selling a PVR-500 buy it now for $110
[05:16] <tgm4883_laptop> heh, im not sure what those cost.  I haven't bought any tuners in a while
[05:17] <tazgodx> they are going for 120-200 from other people
[05:18] <tazgodx> tigerdirect has it for 150
[05:19] <tgm4883_laptop> 163 with MCE remote http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=202151598&SearchEngine=PriceGrabber&SearchTerm=202151598&Type=PE&Category=Comp&dcaid=15890
[05:19] <tgm4883_laptop> 125 without
[05:20] <tazgodx> i see 139 without
[05:21] <CBiLL> be warn samsung tuner quaity isn't that great on pvr 500
[05:21] <CBiLL> phillips are better
[05:21] <tgm4883_laptop> http://www.mwave.com/mwave/skusearch.hmx?SCriteria=3625260&CartID=done&nextloc=
[05:22] <tazgodx> is the 1600 good?
[05:22] <tazgodx> http://www.buy.com/prod/hauppauge-wintv-hvr-1600-hybrid-video-recorder-pci-atsc/q/loc/101/204026199.html
[05:22] <tgm4883_laptop> eh, i dont know if the 1600 has linux support yet
[05:23] <tazgodx> dang, for $90 i would buy that jsut for my analog
[05:23] <tazgodx> lol
[05:23] <tgm4883_laptop> google mythtv hvr-1600 and find out :)
[05:30] <tazgodx> nope, no linux support yet
[05:33] <tazgodx> guess im getting hte PVR-500 sometime soon
[05:36] <MythbuntuGuest37> my video devices don't show up in /dev. any thoughts?
[05:36] <tgm4883_laptop> what tuners?
[05:36] <MythbuntuGuest37> hauppauge 500
[05:37] <tgm4883_laptop> ubuntu, mythbuntu, feisty, gutsy?
[05:37] <MythbuntuGuest37> mythbuntu, freshly installed
[05:38] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm, strange
[05:38] <tgm4883_laptop> does lspci show the card?
[05:38] <MythbuntuGuest37> at first I thought it was a perms issue, but when I tried chmod the files just weren't there
[05:38] <MythbuntuGuest37> the ivtv modules are loaded
[05:38] <tgm4883_laptop> does dmesg give you any indicators?
[05:39] <MythbuntuGuest37> I always forget to dmesg, let me check
[05:39] <MythbuntuGuest37> error initializing firmware
[05:40] <MythbuntuGuest37> I guess I should fix that
[05:40] <tgm4883_laptop> did you md5sum the iso and verify the cd before install?
[05:40] <tazgodx> anyone know of a CATV splitter and booster in one?
[05:40] <MythbuntuGuest37> no, I guess I could do that now
[05:41] <MythbuntuGuest37> it would give me some indication
[05:41] <tgm4883_laptop> tazgodx, yea, there are lots
[05:41] <tgm4883_laptop> check radioshack
[05:41] <tazgodx> ill go there sometime soon then
[05:49] <tazgodx> has anyone tried to set up an LVM on gutsy?
[05:54] <MythbuntuGuest37> sorry, that took a little while.
[05:55] <MythbuntuGuest37> disc is fine
[05:56] <MythbuntuGuest37> I know there are some steps you sometimes need to take with firmware for these decoders
[05:56] <MythbuntuGuest37> I'll see if I can find some docs
[05:56] <MythbuntuGuest37> thanks for your help, tgm
[05:56] <tgm4883_laptop> yea but not the pvr-500
[05:56] <tgm4883_laptop> that should be in the kernel
[05:57] <tgm4883_laptop> did you do a apt-get update
[05:57] <tgm4883_laptop> and apt-get upgrade
[06:05] <MythbuntuGuest23> hello
[06:05] <tgm4883_laptop> hi
[06:06] <MythbuntuGuest37> I avoided the upgrade because it was going to be 188 pkgs
[06:06] <redsix> how can you use the install disc, but grab the latest packages for install instead of having to update afwrwards?
[06:06] <MythbuntuGuest37> is there a way to test for closer, faster mirrors?
[06:06] <tgm4883_laptop> what mirror are you using?
[06:07] <MythbuntuGuest37> mainly umn.edu
[06:07] <tgm4883_laptop> where do you live?
[06:07] <MythbuntuGuest37> I'm using gutsy, so maybe that's my only option
[06:08] <MythbuntuGuest37> Calgary, AB Canada
[06:08] <tgm4883_laptop> is there a mirror that you usually use?
[06:09] <MythbuntuGuest37> I'll know it when I see it
[06:09] <tgm4883_laptop> heh
[06:09] <tgm4883_laptop> that would sort of be the problem
[06:09] <tgm4883_laptop> as i can't tell you which one to put in
[06:09] <tgm4883_laptop> unless it's ca.archives.ubuntu.com
[06:14] <MythbuntuGuest37> I can still run synaptic in mythbuntu, no?
[06:14] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[06:14] <MythbuntuGuest37> well, I went and started it as it was
[06:14] <MythbuntuGuest37> seems to be running fairly quickly
[06:14] <MythbuntuGuest37> I'll see if I can find a faster one later
[06:20] <MythbuntuGuest37> well that was faster than I expected
[06:22] <MythbuntuGuest37> <param name="nick" value="itzac">
[06:22] <MythbuntuGuest37> k, that's not how that works
[06:23] <tgm4883_laptop> its /nick nick
[06:23] <tgm4883_laptop> oh well
[06:23] <tgm4883_laptop> its /nick nick
[06:24] <itzac> thanks
[06:27] <Aval0n> how can you view your edid info from an edid.bin file?
[06:27] <Aval0n> I used nvidia-settings to d/l it
[06:27] <Aval0n> anyone know?
[06:28] <itzac> might /proc be a better place to go looking for that info?
[06:28] <Aval0n> itzac you talkin to me?
[06:28] <itzac> yes
[06:29] <Aval0n> you think it will have the correct info there?
[06:29] <Aval0n> so far i've had 0 success getting my PDP to display anything over 1280x720
[06:29] <Aval0n> via hdmi
[06:29] <itzac> if it's there it should be correct
[06:29] <Aval0n> I don't see anything there that looks like display info
[06:30] <itzac> unfortunately it won't be that easy
[06:30] <Aval0n> =/
[06:30] <itzac> nvidia card?
[06:31] <Aval0n> yes
[06:31] <Aval0n> 7300gs w HDMI
[06:31] <itzac> try /proc/driver/nvidia
[06:31] <itzac> I'm still hunting for a file that might have your info
[06:32] <Aval0n> nothing there but cards
[06:32] <Aval0n> with a 0
[06:33] <itzac> no registry file?
[06:33] <Aval0n> yes
[06:33] <Aval0n> there is
[06:33] <Aval0n> but no useful info inside
[06:33] <Aval0n> thnx for the help btw.
[06:34] <itzac> np, unfortunately that's pretty much all I got
[06:34] <Aval0n> haha
[06:34] <Aval0n> thanks anyway
[06:34] <Aval0n> I just need to get a working 1080i modeline
[06:35] <itzac> I see
[06:35] <itzac> that sounds like a pretty fancy TV
[06:36] <Aval0n> its a samsung plasma
[06:36] <Aval0n> I like it
[06:36] <Aval0n> very happy
[06:36] <Aval0n> not 1080p though
[06:36] <Aval0n> :)
[06:40] <Aval0n> anyone know if the fiesty proposed .20.2 ubuntu package was compiled with XvMC support?
[06:59] <itzac> maybe I'll just go back to feisty and use the proposed packages
[07:01] <CBiLL> I been having bad flickering problem in my mythtv so I played back /dev/video0 to mplayer and same thing
[07:01] <CBiLL> any idea what may be causing it?
[07:01] <itzac> nvidia driver?
[07:02] <CBiLL> don't think it the graphic
[07:03] <itzac> are you using cable or dvb or something else?
[07:03] <CBiLL> pvr500
[07:03] <itzac> did you pick the right freq table?
[07:03] <CBiLL> freq table?
[07:04] <itzac> during myth-setup, you have to choose a fequency table
[07:04] <CBiLL> ok
[07:04] <CBiLL> checking
[07:04] <CBiLL> but this flickering shows up in mplayer
[07:05] <CBiLL> us-cable
[07:05] <itzac> that's probably right
[07:05] <CBiLL> hrmmm I had it on us-bcast
[07:05] <CBiLL> trying us-cable now
[07:05] <itzac> that would do it
[07:05] <itzac> bcast is for over-the-air
[07:06] <CBiLL> I am getting the show from my directv box via componet cable
[07:06] <CBiLL> ok trying it us-cable now
[07:06] <itzac> composite, you mean?
[07:06] <CBiLL> oh yeah
[07:06] <CBiLL> sorry
[07:06] <CBiLL> your right
[07:07] <CBiLL> brain fart!
[07:07] <CBiLL> flicker still there
[07:07] <redsix> hi, i am having problems with the VNC part of mythbuntu, anyone else have problems in this area
[07:07] <itzac> does your directTV box have an S-video out?
[07:07] <CBiLL> damn it haven't gone away
[07:09] <itzac> the other thing I can think of is to check the flicker-filter setting in nvidia-settings
[07:09] <itzac> make sure it's set to 5
[07:09] <redsix> What's CBill trying to do?
[07:09] <itzac> or whatever the max is
[07:10] <CBiLL> stop the flickering
[07:10] <itzac> eliminate flicker
[07:10] <redsix> oh
[07:10] <CBiLL> it comes and goes
[07:10] <redsix> intel or amd box?
[07:10] <itzac> it could be noise in your composite cable
[07:10] <CBiLL> intel
[07:10] <redsix> o
[07:11] <redsix> i use amd with directv box...
[07:11] <redsix> what DirecTV box you use?
[07:11] <CBiLL> small silver one
[07:11] <redsix> d11 probably
[07:11] <CBiLL> blue led for power switch
[07:11] <Aval0n> anyone know if the fiesty proposed .20.2 ubuntu package was compiled with XvMC support?
[07:12] <CBiLL> pvr500 for tuner card
[07:12] <itzac> I don't see why it wouldn't be
[07:12] <Aval0n> cbill other than your flickering hows your quality?
[07:12] <redsix> usiong svideo for capture?
[07:12] <CBiLL> quality is good
[07:12] <Aval0n> I have a pvr500 and looks kinda crappy on some chans
[07:12] <CBiLL> yes svideo out from Nvidia 6800
[07:12] <Aval0n> you got phillips tuners on it or samsung?
[07:12] <CBiLL> not using tuner
[07:12] <CBiLL> phillips 8-)
[07:13] <Aval0n> me too
[07:13] <CBiLL> but not using tuner
[07:13] <Aval0n> ahh
[07:13] <CBiLL> composite
[07:13] <CBiLL> found tv flicker filter
[07:13] <CBiLL> it t 127 now
[07:13] <itzac> turn it all the way up
[07:13] <CBiLL> 255 max
[07:14] <CBiLL> trying it at 255 then
[07:14] <redsix> what resolution are you sending to the TV?
[07:15] <CBiLL> can't remember but it flickering on monitor too
[07:15] <CBiLL> flickering still
[07:15] <CBiLL> thing is
[07:15] <CBiLL> I don't think it the resolution
[07:15] <redsix> is it refresh rate?
[07:15] <CBiLL> mplayer /dev/video0 is showing the same flickering in mplayer
[07:15] <redsix> oh
[07:16] <CBiLL> and it say video buffer overun problem
[07:16] <redsix> i would try s-video capture fromt the STB instead of composite
[07:16] <CBiLL> hrmm
[07:17] <CBiLL> ok let me swap cable around
[07:17] <CBiLL> no can't do it
[07:17] <CBiLL> forgot I dont have spare s video cuz my video card only have s video out
[07:17] <CBiLL> and using it
[07:17] <redsix> k
[07:17] <CBiLL> well I can check flickering on the computer monitor
[07:17] <CBiLL> brb
[07:17] <CBiLL> swapping cable
[07:20] <itzac> tgm, the firmware didn't get copied to the right folder
[07:20] <itzac> downloaded latest firmware and copied there, ivtv loaded properly
[07:21] <CBiLL> swapped
[07:21] <redsix> anyone know of a card that captures component input?
[07:21] <CBiLL> pvr500
[07:21] <CBiLL> which I am using now =P
[07:22] <redsix> you mean composite right?
[07:22] <CBiLL> oh brain fart!
[07:22] <CBiLL> lol yeah
[07:22] <CBiLL> hrmmm can't caputre s video
[07:22] <CBiLL> brb
[07:23] <redsix> will have to run mythtv-setup again to select the svideo source
[07:23] <CBiLL> I did
[07:23] <CBiLL> to svideo
[07:23] <CBiLL> do I have to set directv to use it out?
[07:23] <CBiLL> or it already should have video out on svideo?
[07:23] <CBiLL> let me check from box to tv
[07:25] <redsix> the directv box should already send a signal out on the svideo port
[07:25] <CBiLL> yeah it is
[07:25] <CBiLL> checking my setting
[07:26] <redsix> then change #2 option in mythtv-setup i believe it is to set the svideo on the card for capture
[07:26] <CBiLL> I did hrmm
[07:27] <redsix> and no video?
[07:27] <CBiLL> do I have to run mythfilldatabase again?
[07:27] <CBiLL> just want to get video not worrying about the EPG
[07:27] <redsix> shouldn'thave to
[07:27] <CBiLL> ok checking my cables
[07:29] <CBiLL> there
[07:29] <CBiLL> ok connect via svideo now
[07:30] <CBiLL> no flickers so far
[07:31] <redsix> cool
[07:31] <CBiLL> shit
[07:31] <CBiLL> it flickered
[07:31] <redsix> not cool
[07:31] <redsix> are you all up to date on the packages?
[07:32] <CBiLL> yes
[07:32] <CBiLL> but right now I reformatted and put on MythDora about an hour ago
[07:32] <CBiLL> to see if it wasn't Mythbuntu
[07:32] <CBiLL> it wasn't
[07:32] <CBiLL> same thing in MythDora
[07:32] <redsix> oh... must be ivtv then
[07:33] <CBiLL> it only flickers on bright scences or fast action shows
[07:33] <CBiLL> at the end of the movie
[07:33] <CBiLL> when credit are rolling
[07:33] <CBiLL> it flickers like hell
[07:34] <redsix> dunno man i'm lost now
[07:34] <CBiLL> is ok
[07:34] <CBiLL> I can always go back to SageTV =P
[07:35] <redsix> or  gbpvr
[07:35] <CBiLL> Ill have to google on that
[07:35] <redsix> its not bad for free
[07:35] <CBiLL> but it use the same ivtv driver right?
[07:36] <redsix> no, its windows based
[07:36] <CBiLL> ah ok
[07:36] <tazgodx> well, i have found it is a problem with gusty and my wireless card. this won't be fun...
[07:36] <CBiLL> wonder if it the 20 feet cable
[07:36] <CBiLL> doing it
[07:36] <redsix> do you have flicker in windows?
[07:36] <CBiLL> no
[07:36] <CBiLL> no flickers in windows
[07:37] <redsix> k
[07:37] <redsix> how you change channels on your STB?
[07:37] <CBiLL> haven't be able to yet with MythTV
[07:37] <CBiLL> but on SageTV I use UIRT-USB
[07:37] <tgm4883_laptop> Aval0n, yes it is
[07:37] <CBiLL> aimed at the STB
[07:37] <redsix> your stb has the USB port?
[07:37] <CBiLL> no
[07:38] <redsix> on the back?
[07:38] <CBiLL> it tranmist IR
[07:38] <CBiLL> yes it have USB on back
[07:38] <CBiLL> can that be use with mythtv?
[07:38] <CBiLL> just wondering
[07:38] <tgm4883_laptop> no
[07:38] <redsix> What box you have?
[07:38] <tgm4883_laptop> most likely it is not activated
[07:38] <CBiLL> let me look
[07:38] <redsix> yes it can
[07:39] <redsix> i change with the USB port on the back of my h20-100
[07:39] <Aval0n> anyone know why xvmc would make the OSD shitty and grey
[07:39] <Aval0n> :)
[07:39] <CBiLL> it does not say on box
[07:39] <redsix> flip the door open on the front
[07:39] <CBiLL> ok
[07:40] <tgm4883_laptop> Aval0n, cause that is what it does :)
[07:40] <redsix> should say MFR or MFG
[07:40] <CBiLL> D11
[07:40] <redsix> yup you can change with USB on D11
[07:40] <CBiLL> nice on MythTV?
[07:40] <redsix> yes
[07:40] <Aval0n> tgm it's supposed to make the osd look grey?!
[07:40] <CBiLL> ok brb going to get a shorter svideo cable
[07:41] <Aval0n> why the heck would it purposly do that?
[07:41] <redsix> http://www.patersontech.com/products/UsbTvTranslator.aspx
[07:41] <tgm4883_laptop> Aval0n, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/WhatNext/Feisty#head-81c5ddee6432b0f30137b63a25595a9a927a7461
[07:41] <tazgodx> anyone know how to set up a wireless card for gusty?
[07:41] <tgm4883_laptop> For all cards, go to Utilities/Setup in the frontend. Choose Setup and then TV Settings and then Playback. Change the Preferred MPEG2 Decoder to be Standard XvMC. Restart your frontend app to ensure that /etc/X11/XvMCConfig is sourced and attempt to play back a file. You will notice the grey OSD rather then the normal color OSD.
[07:42] <redsix> CBill, my link is for the TV translator you can use it to change channels on the D11 from mythtv
[07:42] <Aval0n> tgm I did all that
[07:42] <redsix> it is a serial to usb connector
[07:42] <tgm4883_laptop> notice the last sentance
[07:43] <redsix> and you need to get the directv.pl channel changing script (google it)
[07:43] <Aval0n> what the heck
[07:44] <redsix> save the script down, make it executable and then change the script to reflect "box type" of D11
[07:44] <Aval0n> so there is no way of fixing the OSD color?
[07:44] <CBiLL> testing
[07:44] <redsix> and set the channel changing script in mythtv-setup to the script
[07:44] <CBiLL> good I didn't disconnect myself
[07:44] <CBiLL> tripped over my router lol
[07:45] <Aval0n> i just changed the xvmc driver to the nvidia one
[07:45] <tgm4883_laptop> Aval0n http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC#Greyscale_OSD_.28NVidia_4_.26_5.29
[07:45] <Aval0n> with the default I still got color OSD
[07:45] <CBiLL> thanks for link .. saving it
[07:45] <Aval0n> well I have a 7300
[07:45] <Aval0n> so I'm sol I guess eh?
[07:45] <CBiLL> easy project
[07:45] <tgm4883_laptop> you could always ask over in #mythtv-users
[07:45] <redsix> I wished there was a way to capture component video or a transcoder from component to hd coax
[07:46] <CBiLL> I even got that adapter .. I am a tinker man and tinker lot of stuffs
[07:46] <redsix> cool
[07:46] <CBiLL> nope
[07:46] <tgm4883_laptop> redsix, component capture cards are too expensive
[07:46] <CBiLL> 6 feet s-video still flickers
[07:46] <redsix> i knows
[07:46] <Aval0n> thanks tgm
[07:47] <redsix> tgm, i capture s-video 720x480, not bad, but still not hd...
[07:47] <tgm4883_laptop> agreed, that is nice, but only dvd spec
[07:47] <CBiLL> going to try second 2 video on the card .. I hope that doesn't fix it cuz then I got a bad card
[07:48] <redsix> tgm, you have cable or a dishh service?
[07:48] <tgm4883_laptop> cable
[07:48] <redsix> US?
[07:48] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[07:48] <redsix> what area
[07:48] <tgm4883_laptop> Oregon
[07:48] <redsix> lol, other side of the nation
[07:49] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[07:49] <Aval0n> tgm if I use libXvMC.so.1
[07:49] <Aval0n> instead of the nvidia one it's color
[07:49] <Aval0n> odly
[07:49] <Aval0n> =/
[07:49] <CBiLL> white screen on second s-video hrmmp
[07:51] <redsix> your pvr500 bad?
[07:51] <CBiLL> i don't know
[07:51] <CBiLL> better not be
[07:54] <CBiLL> hrmmm
[07:54] <CBiLL> ivtv will detect both on pvr500?
[07:56] <CBiLL> not sure if I am setting up the second slot correctly
[07:58] <CBiLL> any1 here using PVR500?
[07:58] <CBiLL> wow got quiet all suddenly lol
[08:00] <redsix> sorry, i need to go, i'll be on tomorrow'
[08:18] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, you around?
[08:18] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, i just got back
[08:19] <tgm4883_laptop> i've been playing around trying to fix my screen blanking issue
[08:19] <superm1> and?
[08:19] <tgm4883_laptop> well no progress, but maybe something
[08:20] <tgm4883_laptop> xset s off do something?
[08:20] <tgm4883_laptop> shouldn't ^
[08:21] <tgm4883_laptop> i've removed dbms settings from my xorg.conf
[08:22] <superm1> dpms you mean
[08:22] <tgm4883_laptop> heh
[08:22] <tgm4883_laptop> yea, dpms
[08:22] <tgm4883_laptop> but when i do xset on my mythbox i get this
[08:22] <superm1> well you can check out /var/log/Xorg.0.log to find out status on stuff like that too
[08:23] <superm1> whether its being enabled
[08:23] <tgm4883_laptop> thomas@myrtle:/etc/acpi$ /usr/bin/xset s noblank
[08:23] <tgm4883_laptop> /usr/bin/xset:  unable to open display ""
[08:23] <superm1> as well as xset q
[08:23] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[08:23] <superm1> you can't do that via ssh
[08:23] <tgm4883_laptop> oh
[08:23] <tgm4883_laptop> heh
[08:23] <superm1> unless you export DISPLAY=localhost:0
[08:23] <tgm4883_laptop> well that would explain that
[08:23] <CBiLL> hey
[08:23] <CBiLL> this is exactly the same problem I am having http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3374918
[08:24] <CBiLL> those flickerings
[08:24] <superm1> that is a bad example picture because you can't capture an entire frame since its interlaced
[08:25] <CBiLL> it the black lines I am expereincing
[08:25] <CBiLL> and the flickering on fast action movies
[08:25] <CBiLL> or scrolling credits a the end of the movie
[08:26] <superm1> well the best i can offer is recommending you to mess out with deinterlacing filters
[08:26] <CBiLL> superm1 : Mythtv-setup should be showing 2 capture unit #1 and Unit #2 if pvr 500 was installed?
[08:26] <superm1> kernel and bobdeint are the way to go
[08:26] <superm1> yeah
[08:26] <CBiLL> yeah I am only showing 1
[08:26] <CBiLL> just unit #1
[08:26] <CBiLL> so something is not right then
[08:27] <CBiLL> modprobe show both
[08:27] <CBiLL> strange
[08:27] <superm1> well do you have a /dev/video0 and /dev/video1?
[08:27] <CBiLL> no
[08:27] <CBiLL> let me see
[08:28] <CBiLL> yes I do
[08:28] <TazgodX> soo, can anyone help me real fast with my wireless card? i found instructions to get it to work under gusty, but i don't understand what this one part means
[08:28] <CBiLL> ok
[08:28] <superm1> than your device is working fine
[08:28] <superm1> you just need to add two devices in myth
[08:28] <CBiLL> sorry to bother you
[08:28] <CBiLL> =P
[08:29] <superm1> TazgodX, ?
[08:29] <TazgodX> http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/Distribution_list/Ubuntu
[08:29] <TazgodX> thats a linux driver for my wierless card
[08:30] <TazgodX> but under gusty it says i have to build it and apply a patch
[08:30] <TazgodX> when i do that line for the patch, it tels me "patch: **** Can't open patch file acx100_new_kernels.patch : No such file or directory"
[08:31] <mactenchi> is 0.20.2 still not on us.archive.ubuntu.com, or do i have a misconfiguration of some kind?
[08:32] <tgm4883_laptop> mactenchi, do you have feisty-updates activated?
[08:32] <superm1> TazgodX, um the acx modules is shipped
[08:32] <superm1> with ubuntu gutsy
[08:32] <tgm4883_laptop> or edgy-updates?
[08:32] <superm1> that page isn't accurate
[08:32] <superm1> supermario@portablemario:/lib/modules/2.6.22-11-generic$ find ./ -name acx*
[08:32] <superm1> ./ubuntu/wireless/acx
[08:32] <superm1> ./ubuntu/wireless/acx/acx.ko
[08:33] <mactenchi> when i do apt-get update, i see feisty-updates
[08:33] <superm1> mactenchi, you need to make sure that you have feisty-updates or edgy-updates activated for universe and multiverse also
[08:33] <TazgodX> well then why isn't my wireless card found? this is getting annoying
[08:33] <superm1> not just main
[08:33] <CBiLL> same flickering .. I been messing with interlace all day long
[08:34] <superm1> TazgodX, can you modprobe the acx driver?
[08:34] <superm1> and see what happens?
[08:35] <CBiLL> superm1 : no matter what interlace setting i use .. pictures get all distorted and flickers a lot
[08:35] <CBiLL> people head get cut in half
[08:36] <TazgodX> superm1: you want me to "sudo modprobe acx"?
[08:36] <CBiLL> look like if v sync goes out on old tv
[08:36] <superm1> yeah TazgodX
[08:36] <TazgodX> FATAL: Error inserting acx (/lib/modules/2.6.22-10-generic/ubuntu/wireless/acx/acx.ko): Invalid argument
[08:36] <superm1> CBiLL, i don't know what more help we can be in here, you might need to bring this discussion to the v4l folks
[08:36] <superm1> on their mailing list or irc room
[08:36] <mactenchi> ah.
[08:36] <superm1> TazgodX, check dmesg
[08:36] <superm1> for info why
[08:36] <mactenchi> i should have main restricted universe multiverse, i guess?
[08:37] <superm1> yeah
[08:37] <MythbuntuGuest75> Hi all.  Just installing 7.10 alpha 4 and installer hangs when I say YES to install Proprietary Video drivers.  Can anybody offer suggestions on what's going on?
[08:37] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest75, you have to do that after installation
[08:37] <tgm4883_laptop> not during install
[08:38] <TazgodX> what do you want me to try now superm1?
[08:38] <MythbuntuGuest75> ... even though it says that video out will be disabled?
[08:38] <superm1> TazgodX, look at dmesg
[08:38] <tgm4883_laptop> !137167 | MythbuntuGuest75
[08:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 137167 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:38] <superm1> TazgodX, the last few lines will explain why it couldn't load it
[08:38] <tgm4883_laptop> !bug 137167 | MythbuntuGuest75
[08:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137167 in mythbuntu "installer freezes when click install proprietary driver" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137167
[08:38] <superm1> bug 137167 | MythbuntuGuest75
[08:39] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, beat me and did it right :)
[08:39] <CBiLL> MythbuntuGuest75 : reinstall and skip that part
[08:39] <MythbuntuGuest75> Great .. that was a nice quick answer :)  Cool.
[08:39] <CBiLL> nm
[08:39] <CBiLL> I am slow
[08:39] <TazgodX> whats dmesg? :)
[08:39] <superm1> TazgodX, a command
[08:39] <MythbuntuGuest75> Is there a command to run afterwards that does install the drivers?
[08:39] <superm1> in a terminal just type it like that: 'dmesg'
[08:39] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest75, yes its available within the control centre
[08:39] <TazgodX> it says [ 4247.729813]  APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) a lot
[08:39] <CBiLL> MythbuntuGuest75 : no just go to the control centre
[08:40] <MythbuntuGuest75> Easy ... thanks for that - will give it a whirl.
[08:40] <superm1> TazgodX, but ntohign about acx at the end?
[08:40] <TazgodX> and "[ 4147.399764]  acx: Loaded combined PCI/USB driver, firmware_ver=default" higher up
[08:40] <laga> morning
[08:40] <CBiLL> MythbuntuGuest75 : I might add
[08:41] <CBiLL> MythbuntuGuest75 : that you will probably expereince slow scrolling of the menu
[08:41] <superm1> hi laga
[08:41] <CBiLL> which is normal until you get the video driver installed
[08:41] <superm1> i want them to fix the unionfs bug already
[08:41] <superm1> i'm sick of waiting
[08:41] <laga> yes.
[08:41] <MythbuntuGuest75> Thanks for answers CBill and tgm4883.
[08:44] <mactenchi> after update, i guess i need to go through mythtv-setup to change to schedules direct?
[08:47] <superm1> yes
[08:47] <tgm4883_laptop> well i think i fixed my screen blanking problem, although I dont' think it is a good fix
[08:48] <tgm4883_laptop> i will work on it more tomarrow and see if I can figure out what I did on feisty.  I wish I still had my old files :(
[08:51] <superm1> well i'm wondering if its some bug introduced in gutsy
[08:56] <CBiLL> !pastebin
[08:56] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:12] <mactenchi> thanks for the help, everyone.
[10:12] <directhex|work> cheers superm1
[10:14] <laga> hush, he's sleeping
[10:14] <laga> ;)
[10:15] <directhex|work> well if he's going to commit bug fixes at 11pm, i won't see them until the morning!
[10:15] <laga> heh
[10:16] <laga> failing at the point where i wanna display a new window using pygtk/glade ;)
[10:40] <CBiLL> what was the commadn to update
[10:40] <CBiLL> sudo apt-get update
[10:40] <CBiLL> right?
[10:41] <laga> yes
[10:41] <laga> and sudo apt-get upgrade afterwards
[10:41] <laga> might be better to use sudo aptitude dist-upgrade for gutsy now
[10:42] <CBiLL> hrmm
[10:42] <CBiLL> at the upgrade now
[10:42] <CBiLL> hrmmp
[10:42] <CBiLL> also to upgrade the control centre?
[10:43] <CBiLL> sudo apt-get update mytbuntu-control-centre was it?
[10:43] <laga> no
[10:43] <laga> upgrade or dist-upgrade upgrades everything
[10:43] <CBiLL> oh ok cool
[10:43] <CBiLL> thanks
[10:43] <directhex|work> "apt-get" is a slightly older package manager. you could try "aptitude" instead
[10:43] <laga> aptitude is a bit smarter when it comes to handling dependency problems AFAIK
[10:43] <directhex|work> "$foomanager update" updates the local list of available packages and versions
[10:43] <CBiLL> I see
[10:44] <CBiLL> so i sould sudo aptitude upgrade then?
[10:44] <directhex|work> "foomanager upgrade" upgrades all installed apps to the newest versions the system knows about, without altering installed apps
[10:44] <CBiLL> well it downloading shall I cancel it?
[10:44] <directhex|work> "$foomanager dist-upgrade" upgrades all installed apps to the newest versions the system knows about, including uninstalling old things and installing new things where neccessary to do a proper upgrade, in cases where dependencies change
[10:50] <CBiLL> mythbuntu-lirc-generator
[10:50] <CBiLL> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:50] <CBiLL> craps
[10:51] <laga> there should be more output.
[10:52] <CBiLL> nope that it
[10:52] <CBiLL> oh well doing the sudo aptitude dist-upgrade now
[10:52] <CBiLL> I had the same thing yesterday
[10:52] <CBiLL> and it locked up my mythtv
[10:52] <CBiLL> so I had to completely reinstall lol
[10:56] <CBiLL> no error this time
[10:56] <CBiLL> cool
[10:57] <laga> :)
[10:57] <CBiLL> rebooting now
[10:57] <CBiLL> I think I may found the answer to my flickering problme
[10:57] <CBiLL> will find out as soon mythbuntu is up and running
[10:58] <CBiLL> laga : get http://www.stlaware.com/test.mpg and tell me if it play back for you? only 12 meg
[10:58] <CBiLL> if you don't mind
[10:58] <laga> CBiLL: what's that?
[10:59] <CBiLL> direct record of my flickering problem
[10:59] <CBiLL> look like control centre is broken
[10:59] <CBiLL> can't access it at all
[10:59] <CBiLL> oh well
[10:59] <CBiLL> any step I should try next?
[11:00] <laga> um
[11:00] <laga> open a terminal, type "mythbuntu-control-centre" and look for error messages
[11:00] <CBiLL> ok
[11:01] <laga> CBiLL: ok, thaT's bad flickering. :/
[11:01] <laga> but let's have a look at the control centre first!
[11:01] <CBiLL> won't let me open a term hehe
[11:01] <CBiLL> hrmmp
[11:01] <CBiLL> I can ssh in thou
[11:01] <laga> oh :/
[11:01] <CBiLL> hrmmm ssh down too
[11:02] <CBiLL> lol
[11:02] <laga> :'(
[11:02] <CBiLL> I am in
[11:02] <laga> can you launch the control centre?
[11:02] <CBiLL> nope
[11:02] <CBiLL> but I am in ssh
[11:03] <CBiLL> well I can't xsession at all
[11:03] <laga> huh?
[11:04] <laga> so, what's exactly going on now?
[11:04] <CBiLL> can't get a term window at all
[11:04] <laga> but X is still working?
[11:04] <CBiLL> yes but can't get into it
[11:04] <CBiLL> what session shoudl I pick?
[11:04] <directhex|work> if you're connected via ssh, are you using "ssh -X" so you can actually run GUI apps?
[11:05] <CBiLL> no I am trying to start X
[11:05] <CBiLL> ok got failsafe xterm
[11:05] <CBiLL> trying control centre
[11:06] <CBiLL> No module named MythbuntuControlCentre.core
[11:06] <CBiLL> that the error message
[11:07] <CBiLL> suggestions?
[11:07] <CBiLL> =P
[11:07] <CBiLL> I am all ears!
[11:07] <CBiLL> hehehe
[11:07] <laga> hum.
[11:07] <laga> :)
[11:07] <laga> run sudo aptitude dist-upgrade another time.. just to be sure nothing broke
[11:07] <CBiLL> is it possible to reinstall with apt-get then?
[11:07] <CBiLL> ok
[11:08] <CBiLL> yes something is broken sec getting a pastebin
[11:09] <directhex|work> "apt-get install --reinstall packagename" if you really want to know how to reinstall a package
[11:09] <CBiLL> http://pastebin.com/m1834d6e0
[11:10] <directhex|work> lirc in "causing problems" shocker
[11:10] <laga> heh
[11:10] <laga> CBiLL: ok. interesting
[11:10] <CBiLL> heh
[11:10] <CBiLL> yup
[11:10] <CBiLL> very
[11:10] <CBiLL> lol
[11:10] <laga> CBiLL: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure --force lirc"
[11:10] <laga> might fix that
[11:11] <directhex|work> lirc just screams "i was made for the 2.2 kernel, that's still modern, right?" to me
[11:11] <CBiLL> well doesn't look like it but trying again
[11:12] <laga> CBiLL: still the same errors?
[11:12] <laga> directhex|work: it's included in ubuntu now, users shouldn't have as much problems anymore
[11:12] <CBiLL> all it did was bring up a screen for me to pick a remote
[11:12] <CBiLL> I selected none then it shut down
[11:13] <CBiLL> then I try again and pick a remote .. same thing
[11:13] <directhex|work> laga, does it sort out all the setserial crap?
[11:13] <laga> directhex|work: dunno about that (yet).
[11:13] <CBiLL> hrmmm let me try installing lirc by hand then .. I done enough lirc installing to do it from memory
[11:13] <laga> CBiLL: it's ok if it "hsuts down", it's not OK if you get error messages
[11:14] <laga> s/hsuts/shuts/
[11:14] <directhex|work> laga, well that's a major one really - when a user needs to hack on init scripts themselves to be sure it actually behaves...
[11:14] <laga> CBiLL: if you install lirc from source, the package dependencies still won't be fulfilled :)
[11:14] <CBiLL> yeah that true
[11:14] <CBiLL> now what
[11:14] <CBiLL> hrmmm
[11:14] <laga> directhex|work: true. file a bug? ;)
[11:15] <laga> CBiLL: what error messages are you getting now, after choosing a different remote?
[11:15] <CBiLL> mediabox@MediaBox:/etc/lirc$
[11:15] <CBiLL> . /etc/lirc/hardware.conf: 4:  II RF Remote: not found
[11:15] <CBiLL> this one
[11:16] <directhex|work> laga, i haven't gone near RS232 since moving to ubuntu. and amaya really didn't seem to care about bugs in lirc when i ran debian, since lirc is smelly.
[11:17] <laga> directhex|work: but we care about bugs in lirc. :)
[11:17] <laga> well, superm1 does. :>
[11:17] <CBiLL> open to suggestions =P
[11:17] <CBiLL> please don't say reinstall
[11:17] <directhex|work> laga, masochist!
[11:17] <laga> CBiLL: what's at line 4 in that file?
[11:17] <CBiLL> ok
[11:18] <CBiLL> ah I see
[11:18] <CBiLL> the line is wrong
[11:18] <CBiLL> fixing it then
[11:19] <laga> how is that line wrong?
[11:19] <CBiLL> double REMOTE="" in that line
[11:19] <laga> oh
[11:19] <laga> CBiLL: please file a bug!
[11:19] <CBiLL> REMOTE="ATI/NVidia/X10 I REMOTE="None " II RF Remote"
[11:19] <CBiLL> see it?
[11:19] <laga> ouch
[11:19] <CBiLL> editing then see if it fixes it
[11:19] <laga> yes, that's ugly
[11:20] <CBiLL> hrmm no error this time
[11:20] <CBiLL> and there is the control!
[11:20] <CBiLL> 8-)
[11:21] <CBiLL> thanks laga .. I would have not thought of looking at that line 4
[11:21] <CBiLL> in the first place
[11:21] <CBiLL> you can file bug if you want
[11:22] <CBiLL> I want to play with mythbuntu!
[11:22] <CBiLL> hehehe
[11:22] <laga> CBiLL: please file a bug about that, describing how it happened (during an upgrade) etc
[11:22] <CBiLL> ok
[11:22] <CBiLL> url to file bug at?
[11:22] <laga> glade-3 is making me wanna cry
[11:22] <CBiLL> ok got nvidia installed .. rebooting
[11:24] <laga> CBiLL: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc/+bugs
[11:24] <CBiLL> I might have to do this next http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_PVR-350#Playback_Freezes
[11:25] <directhex|work> laga, who uses glade 3?
[11:26] <DaveMorris> me
[11:26] <CBiLL> no flickerings
[11:26] <DaveMorris> glade2 is been depreceated
[11:27] <CBiLL> which I am afraid of
[11:27] <CBiLL> seem like turning on teletextis causing the problem maybe hrmm
[11:28] <laga> glade-3 is not *gently caress*ing aving my signals sometimes.
[11:28] <laga> it's not like i put them in there for fun.
[11:28] <laga> so please save them to disk, dear glade-3. kthx.
[11:29] <DaveMorris> laga: I've not had that problem before
[11:29] <laga> i'm probably just being stupid.
[11:30] <laga> i don't know anything about python or gtk, i just type in my signal and want it to be used
[11:30] <DaveMorris> oh, I used the user interface designer for GTK+, and the hook the signals up to my c++ code
[11:31] <laga> ah, now it's working. needs some additional clicks
[11:35] <CBiLL> ok done with bug report
[11:35] <CBiLL> you should see it pop in the channel in a minute hehe
[11:36] <CBiLL> well it not flickering
[11:36] <CBiLL> going to turn on CC .. I am afraid that was causing it .. I hope not
[11:36] <CBiLL> cuz being deaf I need it 8-/
[11:38] <CBiLL> hrmm now won't let me run mythtv setup ..
[11:42] <CBiLL> blah got locked out
[11:42] <CBiLL> had to ssh in to reboot 8-/
[11:43] <laga> :/
[11:43] <laga> did you re-run dist-upgrade after fixing lirc?
[11:43] <CBiLL> yes
[11:43] <CBiLL> no error found
[11:43] <CBiLL> the bug occured when I try to access mythtv setup in control centre
[11:44] <CBiLL> it complained I need to be in the same group etc
[11:45] <CBiLL> ok I think flickering is back
[11:45] <laga> um
[11:45] <laga> ok
[11:45] <CBiLL> wait
[11:45] <laga> are you using a pvr 150 and trying to enable CC?
[11:45] <ubotu> New bug: #140647 in lirc (main) "mythbuntu control centre refuse to load after doing a "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" " [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140647
[11:46] <CBiLL> 500
[11:46] <CBiLL> pvr 500 and enabled CC
[11:46] <CBiLL> yeah it back
[11:46] <laga> CBiLL: go to the recording profiles
[11:46] <laga> CBiLL: in mythfrontend
[11:46] <CBiLL> ok
[11:47] <laga> and set 640x480 there as recording resolution
[11:47] <laga> for "default" and "livetv" at least.
[11:47] <CBiLL> I am there
[11:47] <laga> tell me if it works afterwards
[11:47] <laga> if yes, file a bug ;)
[11:48] <laga> there's a bug in ivtv which will cause issues if CC and scaling is enabled, AFAIK
[11:48] <CBiLL> no change
[11:48] <CBiLL> still flickering
[11:48] <CBiLL> that recording I made
[11:49] <CBiLL> was cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg
[11:49] <CBiLL> so it not mythtv
[11:50] <laga> yes, but the resolution was probably wrong
[11:50] <CBiLL> ah I see
[11:50] <CBiLL> didn't help 8-/
[11:51] <CBiLL> at least I am happy to know it not the card
[11:51] <CBiLL> 8-/
[11:51] <laga> oh '/
[11:51] <laga> :'(
[11:51] <CBiLL> you think increasing buffer will work?
[11:51] <CBiLL> it ok
[11:51] <CBiLL> I can go back to SageTV
[11:51] <laga> CBiLL: no.. i doubt it..
[11:51] <laga> heh, i believe there's a fix somewhere
[11:51] <CBiLL> hrmm
[11:52] <CBiLL> I been looking for the past 16 hours
[11:52] <CBiLL> tring mythdora mythknopp Fedora/MythTV and this Mythbuntu twice now hehe
[11:53] <laga> working in mythdora?
[11:53] <CBiLL> no same
[11:54] <CBiLL> oh wow
[11:54] <CBiLL> flickerign with VBI off now
[11:54] <CBiLL> hrmmm
[11:54] <laga> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/248558?search_string=hans%20verkuil;#248558
[11:55] <laga> duh
[11:55] <laga> i was being stupid
[11:55] <laga> CBiLL: increase capture resolution to 720x48
[11:55] <laga> CBiLL: increase capture resolution to 720x480
[11:55] <laga> for both livetv and default
[11:56] <CBiLL> ok
[11:56] <CBiLL> I saw that post
[11:58] <CBiLL> hrmmmm
[11:58] <CBiLL> maybe 8-)
[12:00] <laga> maybe?
[12:00] <CBiLL> maybe fixed
[12:00] <CBiLL> waiting
[12:00] <CBiLL> and watching
[12:00] <laga> ah
[12:00] <laga> that's the problem with mythtv
[12:00] <laga> i always get carried away watching TV when testing stuff
[12:00] <CBiLL> waiting for a show with CC to start
[12:00] <CBiLL> too many commericals
[12:01] <CBiLL> hehe
[12:02] <laga> bah
[12:02] <laga> i need someone who knows the python apt api
[12:02] <CBiLL> it started
[12:02] <laga> or i need source which is properly documented
[12:02] <CBiLL> so far looking good
[12:02] <CBiLL> I think you fixed it
[12:03] <laga> i'm glad to hear that
[12:03] <CBiLL> I am so glad your here at this time of the hour
[12:03] <CBiLL> 5am
[12:03] <CBiLL> hehe
[12:03] <CBiLL> thank you so much
[12:03] <CBiLL> it mean lots!
[12:03] <laga> it's noon here :)
[12:03] <CBiLL> ah
[12:03] <CBiLL> let me think .. hrmmmm German?
[12:04] <CBiLL> no wait .. euro!
[12:04] <laga> CBiLL: no, i want people to be happy with mythbuntu. i have already dedicated a lot of my time to so people should use it :)
[12:04] <laga> yes, german
[12:04] <CBiLL> ah I was right! lol
[12:04] <CBiLL> hehe
[12:04] <laga> "european" is not a nationality :)
[12:04] <CBiLL> USA here
[12:04] <CBiLL> it look sweet
[12:04] <laga> yup, thought that :)
[12:04] <CBiLL> going to increase fonts
[12:05] <laga> CBiLL: ok, file a bug with that info please, also include link to the http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/248558?search_string=hans%20verkuil;#248558
[12:05] <laga> i'm working on the control centre right now so i need a reminder to look at it later
[12:05] <laga> or maybe someone else will take it
[12:05] <CBiLL> ok will do in a minute
[12:06] <CBiLL> under which topic ? mythtv?
[12:07] <laga> yes, and/or mythbuntu
[12:07] <laga> doesnt really matter
[12:08] <CBiLL> ok trying to find the cat then
[12:10] <CBiLL> package - mythbuntu correct?
[12:11] <laga> yup
[12:11] <CBiLL> you saw the mpg
[12:11] <CBiLL> what would you call it?
[12:11] <CBiLL> flickering?
[12:11] <CBiLL> distortation?
[12:12] <CBiLL> trying to think how to describe it in a bug report
[12:13] <laga> bad flickering, part of the picture overlaid over the rest
[12:13] <CBiLL> thanks
[12:13] <CBiLL> ok writing it
[12:13] <laga> it's just a reminder to set the video resolution appropriately, basically
[12:14] <CBiLL> yeah
[12:15] <CBiLL> does it mean it will use up more space to record show?
[12:15] <CBiLL> bigger mpeg filesize per recording?
[12:20] <directhex|work> laga, i write my gui apps in c#, where nobody wanted to touch glade 3 with a barge pole
[12:21] <laga> directhex|work: i'm slowly getting the hang of it
[12:24] <CBiLL> done laga
[12:24] <CBiLL> thank so much man
[12:24] <CBiLL> you save me lot of headaches!
[12:24] <CBiLL> I can't believe how simple a fix it is
[12:24] <laga> :)
[12:24] <laga> glad it's working for you now
[12:25] <CBiLL> any idea if it records the line21 CC into mpeg too?
[12:25] <CBiLL> I hope so
[12:26] <laga> what's line21? the stuff you're viewing now?
[12:26] <CBiLL> stuff that embedded into the video itself
[12:26] <CBiLL> where it decodes the CC from
[12:26] <CBiLL> or teletext
[12:26] <CBiLL> I think it line22 on PAL
[12:26] <CBiLL> 8-)
[12:26] <laga> i have no clue
[12:26] <CBiLL> <- expert on teletext coding
[12:27] <CBiLL> =P
[12:27] <CBiLL> hehe
[12:27] <CBiLL> well being deaf make you one
[12:27] <laga> are you wondering if your CC ill be available in the recordings as well
[12:27] <laga> heh, figured as much
[12:27] <CBiLL> yup
[12:28] <CBiLL> lots of PVR strip it out of video
[12:28] <CBiLL> before writing to mpeg file
[12:28] <CBiLL> which disappoints me
[12:28] <laga> well
[12:28] <laga> you _are_ watching a recording right now
[12:28] <laga> mythtv records everything you watch
[12:28] <CBiLL> hrmm so it should playback the CC? let me try that in mplayer
[12:29] <CBiLL> need to get samba working
[12:29] <CBiLL> where the config for it?
[12:29] <laga> i have no clue
[12:29] <laga> never used samba much
[12:29] <CBiLL> wow so perfect
[12:29] <CBiLL> I owe you a pint if I ever in german
[12:30] <CBiLL> =P
[12:30] <laga> heh
[12:30] <ubotu> New bug: #140659 in mythbuntu "Bad flickering with pictures overlaying each other pictures on PVR-500 with VBI enabled" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140659
[12:30] <CBiLL> there it is
[12:30] <CBiLL> heh
[12:32] <laga> cool, thanks
[12:32] <CBiLL> welcome and thanks too
[01:16] <cornell_work> A bit off topic, but I'd like y'all's opinions.  I'm looking for a gui text editor, which can be scripted using a common language (like PHP, Perl, Javascript) and has linux and windows versions, preferrably open source.  Any opinions?
[01:17] <directhex|work> so emacs doesn't count because it uses lisp?
[01:23] <cornell_work> It would be the only thing I could program in lisp ;-)  The point is to be able to use a language that is also generally useful in other places.
[01:24] <directhex|work> php's hardly a language for scripting an editor though
[01:25] <laga> bah
[01:25] <laga> i need to get better at coding.
[01:25] <laga> enough frustration for now, RL is calling
[01:32] <cornell_work> RIght, directhex|work , PHP might not've been the best example.
[01:47] <frink_> perl would be ideal for editor scripting
[01:50] <directhex|work> everything makes sense to someone
[01:50] <directhex|work> hell, GIMP uses Scheme for scripting as standard. hands up if you're done a decent Scheme course?
[02:03] <cornell_work> Hands up if you heard of a Scheme ;-)
[02:04] <cornell_work> frink_: probably right, Perl would be very good
[03:44] <laga> yay, 515 karma points
[04:09] <Daviey> Yeah he does
[04:14] <laga> heh
[04:14] <laga> latest -rt kernel update in gutsy broke my sound
[04:14] <laga> so beware
[04:16] <directhex|work> i finally have sound on my office pc for the first time ever (initially running dapper) after upgrading to gutsy
[04:17] <laga> omh
[04:17] <laga> i cant begin to describe the amount of hae that's building up in my every time i try to print something in linux
[04:17] <laga> and it doesn't work
[04:17] <laga> and it's often not working
[04:17] <laga> _very_ often.
[04:18] <directhex|work> i find printer choice helps
[04:18] <directhex|work> and with printing, as with any config task, not using kde helps too, since kcontrol is guaranteed to *gently caress* something up horribly every time
[04:18] <laga> it's an entry-level HP printer. HP was recommended by linuxprinting.org
[04:19] <laga> yeah, using kcontrol right now *sigh*
[04:19] <laga> this printer is a POS
[04:20] <directhex|work> what is it?
[04:20] <frink_> laga: my linux printing is fine
[04:21] <laga> directhex|work: HP deskjet 5740
[04:21] <laga> it used to work in debian sarge and in feisty AFAIK
[04:21] <laga> always accompanied by random b0rkage
[04:22] <directhex|work> Color inkjet printer, max. 4800x1200 dpi, works Perfectly
[04:30] <frink_> i have no probs printing
[04:30] <frink_> to postscript things, a plotter, a dell with a network card, a Cannon i865
[04:31] <frink_> but really, get postscript printers..
[04:31] <frink_> much easier. they just work on anything.
[04:31] <tgm4883> bah, go old school.  Stone and chisel
[04:31] <directhex|work> i had the joy of giving canon a 10-part plan on why we wouldn't buy a 10000 printer from them
[04:34] <frink_> why not?
[04:34] <directhex|work> not sure if i still have it. hold on...
[04:34] <frink_> did it involve linux support?
[04:35] <frink_> I told a company making WiMAX PCMCIA cards that we would not buy any unless they support Linux.. They now reckon they will have the driver source in my hands in a month :)
[04:35] <directhex|work> frink_, it did indeed involve linux support. let me get the email up
[04:35] <frink_> cool
[04:36] <directhex|work> http://www.apebox.org/canon.txt
[04:39] <frink_>  precisely how much crack would we need to have
[04:39] <frink_> smoked to consider Canon to be a better option?
[04:39] <frink_> lol
[04:39] <frink_> that's a great line :)
[04:40] <directhex|work> i'm pretty sure i used it on the phone to them
[04:40] <superm1> morning
[04:41] <laga> morning superm1
[04:41] <directhex|work> superm1 awakes!
[04:41] <laga> ok, bank was already closed *grrr*
[04:41] <frink_> hey superm1
[04:41] <superm1> laga, more than 7 hours right :)
[04:41] <laga> superm1: about 7:20
[04:41] <laga> good boy
[04:41] <superm1> haha
[04:42] <laga> i should open a kindergarten for distro maintainers
[04:42] <laga> superm1: BTW, the UI side for the mythweb auth stuff was surprisingly easy.
[04:42] <laga> i can't get the backend side of things to work because i dunno how to use debconf.py :)
[04:43] <superm1> laga, oh be careful with that
[04:43] <superm1> there is a reason why its not on right now
[04:43] <laga> "on"?
[04:43] <superm1> you can only have one debconf backend active at a time
[04:43] <laga> oh.
[04:43] <superm1> is there any code in the control centre alluding that i wanted to use it?
[04:43] <superm1> there should be
[04:43] <superm1> or maybe i'm thinking of live-autostart
[04:43] <laga> i dunno, i didn't grep in there.
[04:43] <frink_> Ya know what would be nice...
[04:43] <chuk> what is that message box that comes up on the current version of trunk when you start it?
[04:44] <laga> i just looked in ubiquity
[04:44] <chuk> about choosing a server
[04:44] <laga> chuk: upnp
[04:44] <laga> chuk: you should follow mythtv-commits and mythtv-dev if you use trunk
[04:44] <frink_> on the web front end on the recorded programmes list, clicking on the programme links to the file on disk. It'd be nice if it could transcode that in real time to something streamable.
[04:44] <superm1> laga, well if you end up doing debconf in the control centre, you have to find a way to stop it and start it
[04:44] <superm1> which i don't think is possible unless you call it via a shell script
[04:44] <superm1> that sources the debconf /usr/share/debconf/module
[04:44] <laga> superm1: debconf.py does stop it AFAIK
[04:45] <laga> or at least it's possible to do that
[04:45] <superm1> laga, not in my tests.  it forks a process that runs debconf, and then somehow the parent process is turned into a child
[04:45] <superm1> or something wacky like that
[04:45] <laga> o_O
[04:45] <superm1> which makes sense for most applications of it, but not this one
[04:46] <laga> it runs debconf-communicate', '-fnoninteractive
[04:47] <laga> anyways, gotta run.
[04:47] <laga> superm1: oh, one last thing. can we actually still upload new versions of the packages?
[04:47] <superm1> laga, well yes and no
[04:47] <superm1> regarding what it runs
[04:48] <tgm4883> frink_, like mythstreamtv?
[04:48] <superm1> laga, its needs to run one more thing in order to work
[04:48] <superm1> i can try to explain better what i ran into later
[04:48] <superm1> laga, 'new' in what sense?
[04:49] <laga> superm1: "new" as in "i added stuff to the control centre"
[04:49] <superm1> oh yeah that can still go in
[04:49] <laga> good.
[04:49] <laga> dont wanna be stressing myself over things which still have time
[04:50] <tgm4883> do things in the ppa have to adhere to the universe guidelines like version numbering?
[04:50] <superm1> its just new upstream versions that we can't do
[04:50] <superm1> tgm4883, they *should*
[04:50] <tgm4883> they *should*, but they are not *required*?
[04:50] <superm1> well why do you bring this up?
[04:51] <laga> ok, bye
[04:51] <superm1> cya
[04:51] <tgm4883> eh, my gutsy pbuilder is borked and I need to package something, but it doesn't follow the right version number
[04:53] <superm1> what version number does it follow?
[04:53] <tgm4883> um
[04:53] <tgm4883> well one is bzr24
[04:53] <tgm4883> thats how it ends
[04:53] <superm1> okay i guess explain better
[04:53] <superm1> what's in universe
[04:53] <superm1> and what do you want to do on the ppa
[04:54] <tgm4883> ah
[04:54] <tgm4883> it's not in universe
[04:54] <tgm4883> I am packaging the AWN for reacocard for 64-bit, but i only have a feisty pbuilder right now
[04:54] <superm1> didn't someone already do awn in a ppa?
[04:55] <tgm4883> so basically i want to package it on the ppa and send it to reacocard so he can host it
[04:55] <superm1> Armanath
[04:55] <tgm4883> hmm
[04:55] <tgm4883> link?
[04:55] <superm1> i dont have a link, i just remember him discussing it
[04:55] <superm1> or maybe RAOF
[04:56] <tgm4883> hm, i'll have to check it out
[04:58] <superm1> well maybe not, i dont see it in either of their ppa's
[04:59] <superm1> well i would really recommend following the universe version structure
[04:59] <superm1> it will save lots of hassle later
[05:13] <tgm4883> so then how should I change the versioning if it is coming from bzr?
[05:16] <tgm4883> I mean, i don't want to totally blow away the bzr number right?
[05:16] <tgm4883> for instance this is what it currently looks like avant-window-navigator-bzr_0.1.2-bzr73-1.dsc
[05:25] <superm1> well that versioning is fine
[05:26] <superm1> you just need to make it an ubuntu version
[05:26] <superm1> that's a debian one
[05:26] <superm1> so like
[05:26] <superm1> 0.1.2-bzr73-1ubuntu0~ppa1
[05:28] <DaveMorris> superm1: you able to review my package for me today?
[05:28] <superm1> DaveMorris, it will have to be late, i have the career fair today
[05:28] <superm1> i'll try to afterward
[05:29] <frink_> umm
[05:29] <frink_> using vlc stream/transcode mythtv recordings does somewhat rock when you have 1.3Mb/s uplink on your home DSL :)
[05:29] <DaveMorris> superm1: best of luck with that, I won't be around later so just mail me your comments if you do it today
[05:29] <superm1> l
[05:29] <superm1> k
[05:30] <tgm4883> superm1, have you seen this before when doing dput IOError: [Errno 13]  Permission denied:
[05:33] <superm1> nope
[05:37] <tgm4883> :*
[05:37] <tgm4883> :(
[05:40] <frink_> strace it
[05:41] <tgm4883> heh
[05:41] <tgm4883> superm1, I think it is required to follow the ubuntu versioning
[05:41] <frink_> heh
[05:41] <frink_> i went to a career fair at a local college
[05:42] <frink_> they wanted me to talk about careers in the Internet industry
[05:42] <frink_> they wanted me to emphasize how important it is to stay in education to succeed, unfortunately, i dropped out of college and did well anyway and I was not going to lie
[05:42] <frink_> they didnt invite me back this year
[05:43] <superm1> haha
[05:43] <frink_> they invited EVERYBODY else back who spoke though.
[05:45] <DaveMorris> frink_: Formal Education
[05:45] <DaveMorris> isn't the best route for everyone
[05:45] <DaveMorris> you where right to tell them that
[05:45] <directhex|work> more qualifications make you a better human being!
[05:45] <frink_> DaveMorris: Quite.
[05:46] <frink_> I just did not get on with it.. Though I am going to Uni this year to read Theology.
[05:46] <frink_> but  then, I was more interested in how much free Internet access I could get through through BT's X.25 network
[05:46] <frink_> and getting free phonecalls on my P3
[05:46] <tgm4883> sweet, i just got spam from 2003
[05:47] <DaveMorris> frink_: which uni, and I'm assuming the UK
[05:48] <frink_> DaveMorris: www.lst.ac.uk
[05:48] <frink_> yup in the UK
[05:56] <tgm4883> DaveMorris, you know your tracking code is still not verified for your website?
[06:02] <laga> re
[06:06] <laga> 567.853202]  snd_hda_intel: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module
[06:06] <laga> anyone else seeing this with latest gutsy kernel?
[06:09] <tgm4883> wtf
[06:09] <laga> -rt kernel that is
[06:09] <tgm4883> i just installed stumble upon and this is the first site it sent me to
[06:10] <tgm4883> http://svt.se/hogafflahage/hogafflaHage_site/Kor/hestekor.swf
[06:10] <laga> you're cruel for sending flash video to a man with broken sound drivers
[06:10] <tgm4883> sorry :(
[06:11] <laga> and ffs, unionfs is still broken.
[06:11] <tgm4883> heh
[06:14] <laga> i'm under the impression they shipped a new kernel package which the same "real" version number. it's still 2.6.22-11-rt here
[06:15] <tgm4883> whoa
[06:15] <tgm4883> http://www.100mb.nl/
[06:17] <laga> looks like linux-ubuntu-modules needs a rebuild
[06:19] <DaveMorris> tgm4883 tracking code?
[06:19] <tgm4883> yea
[06:19] <tgm4883> for google analytics
[06:19] <DaveMorris> I have no idea what you mean
[06:20] <tgm4883> hmm
[06:20] <DaveMorris> oh for greenacre.no-ip.com
[06:20] <tgm4883> yes
[06:20] <DaveMorris> that got added to the mythbuntu tracking stuff?
[06:20] <tgm4883> yep
[06:20] <DaveMorris> I just looked at it, I never put the javascript into the pages
[06:20] <tgm4883> I made the same mistake for my company website, you have to make a new team if you want to keep it seperate
[06:21] <DaveMorris> ok thnaks
[06:21] <tgm4883> that would be why the tracking is missing
[06:26] <laga> something in my printer setups likes to SIGSEGV
[06:41] <keescook> superm1: hey, your lirc patch -- I noticed the entire postinst was dropped -- was that intentional?
[06:42] <laga> yay, sound working again. after recompiling linux-ubuntu-modules
[07:25] <deffcon> so guys can i test somethings out for you today
[07:33] <keescook> superm1: ah, nm, you fixed it (or my build got sane).  I've uploaded the lirc stuff now.  Thanks!
[07:40] <laga> keescook: thanks
[07:59] <deffcon> superm1: which lircd.conf have u used for mythbuntu alpha 4 ( mceusb2 ) ? The one one from lirc.com/remotes
[08:21] <foxbuntu> deffcon, just use the mythbuntu-lirc-generator and you will not need to do all that
[08:26] <deffcon> superm1: not exactly true if i may say because some buttons on my mce remote didn't work at all even though i tried to change in mythtv controls, but i solved it i had to change my lircrc, so back to basics
[08:28] <deffcon> superm1: do you have experience with nvidia 7100 with mythbuntu i can't get it to work
[08:39] <tgm4883> deffcon, whats not working?
[08:56] <deffcon> i see the mythtv gui but no menu items ( the text )
[09:08] <CBiLL> are there more skin for mythtv?
[09:10] <tgm4883> CBiLL, yes
[09:11] <tgm4883> mythtv-themes
[09:11] <tgm4883> deffcon, mythbuntu?
[09:11] <tgm4883> and did you install the restricted drivers?
[09:19] <CBiLL> ie is there a website with collection of myth themes?
[09:20] <CBiLL> is there a youtube plugin for mythtv?
[09:23] <tgm4883> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Themes
[09:25] <laga> i'd like to note that switching from i386 to amd64 on a live system can lead to horrible b0rkage
[09:25] <tgm4883> laga, I didn't even think that was possible
[09:25] <laga> well
[09:26] <laga> i got to the point where i replaced libc6...
[09:26] <laga> i'm downloading a gutsy amd64 image now so i can fix this properly
[09:27] <laga> 700K/s :(
[09:30] <CBiLL> Hi laga how are you today?
[09:31] <laga> CBiLL: it's still "today" for me :)
[09:31] <laga> i'm ok i think
[09:31] <CBiLL> heheh ok
[09:32] <laga> how are you? mythv still working?
[09:32] <CBiLL> yes
[09:32] <CBiLL> working good
[09:32] <laga> nice
[09:33] <CBiLL> on SageTV I had a youtube pluging but doesn't look like MyhtTV have such feature?
[09:33] <SpudDogg> sup all
[09:33] <laga> CBiLL: in trunk, you can use mythbrowser with youtube
[09:33] <laga> its not that great, but working
[09:33] <laga> hi SpudDogg
[09:34] <CBiLL> ah ok thanks
[09:34] <tgm4883> im wondering if mythstream would work?
[09:34] <laga> with youtube? hum
[09:35] <SpudDogg> laga: i just stumbled across the mythbuntu.org site.  i am very excited about this, because I am a long time mythtv user, but i love the ubuntu distro.  i hope i can be a valuable member of the crowd
[09:35] <CBiLL> I use youtube a lot becasue all deaf news or commuity event talks are sent to there
[09:35] <tgm4883> laga, yea, apparently it can grab video from rss
[09:35] <laga> tgm4883: i think mythnews in trunk has some multimedia support, too
[09:36] <laga> SpudDogg: welcome aboard then :)
[09:36] <SpudDogg> hey, does mythbuntu have out-of-the-box irblaster support?
[09:37] <CBiLL> for some remotes yes
[09:37] <laga> cool, i didn't know that. :)
[09:37] <CBiLL> doesn't it ask you when you first set up to select a remote anyway?
[09:37] <SpudDogg> i have a myth box running now, and having an IR blaster really makes it better...i cant wait until this download is done :)
[09:37] <CBiLL> or config them in control centre
[09:38] <CBiLL> oh sorry I was thinking backward lol
[09:38] <CBiLL> don't know baout sending out signal
[09:38] <CBiLL> I haven't learn that part yet
[09:38] <SpudDogg> ahh, ok.  well if it's not there yet, i'll add it :)
[09:39] <CBiLL> but I do know it got remote support thou 8-)
[09:39] <laga> SpudDogg: that'd be great
[09:39] <CBiLL> didn't have mine
[09:39] <CBiLL> I had to add it
[09:39] <laga> CBiLL: remote? which one?
[09:39] <CBiLL> Firefly but I submitted bug report and added the conf files for it
[09:39] <laga> good
[09:39] <laga> i was just gonna say.. :>
[09:39] <CBiLL> heheh already done
[09:40] <CBiLL> 8-)
[09:40] <laga> SpudDogg: feel free to join our mailing list if you wanna participate
[09:40] <SpudDogg> sure will
[09:40] <CBiLL> are extra themes in the repo? can I apt-get them or I have to download it from wiki?
[09:41] <SpudDogg> didnt see that on the site, but i'll do look again
[09:41] <laga> SpudDogg: not sure if it's on there
[09:41] <laga> CBiLL: install mythtv-themes
[09:41] <laga> many themes are missing, though
[09:42] <laga> they're outdated (not working anymore with current mythtv)
[09:42] <laga> or simply not packaged
[09:42] <CBiLL> ah I see
[09:42] <laga> soon we'll have weekly builds for some themes
[09:42] <laga> there's just not enough time in the day
[09:42] <CBiLL> is that the mailing list? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/
[09:43] <laga> CBiLL: no
[09:43] <laga> err
[09:43] <deffcon> tgm4883: yes i installed the restricted drivers yes from mythbuntu-control-centre
[09:43] <deffcon> tgm4883 : still no text in mythtv gui
[09:43] <CBiLL> only thing I found that says "mailing list" on www.mythbuntu.org
[09:44] <laga> CBiLL, SpudDogg: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-mythtv
[09:45] <laga> deffcon: if you have some spare time, you could translate https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/mythbuntu-control-centre/+pots/mythbuntu-control-centre
[09:45] <laga> that's the control centre
[09:45] <CBiLL> thanks laga
[09:46] <deffcon> laga : maybe you can help me with me nvidia 7100 card in othe frontend with alpha 4 --> no text in mythtv gui
[09:49] <bendailey> deffcon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/137167
[09:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137167 in mythbuntu "installer freezes when click install proprietary driver" [Undecided,Fix committed]
[09:50] <CBiLL> I wonder how many time that bug report comes up hehe
[09:50] <deffcon> bendailey: this is not my problem, i have just no text in the mythtv gui
[09:52] <bendailey> deffcon: sorry I realized that after I posted and then reread
[09:53] <deffcon> anybody?
[09:53] <bendailey> deffcon: can you navigate?
[09:54] <deffcon> i'am i missing fonts or something, i removed my theme-cache already but that didn't work also
[09:54] <deffcon> laga: i'm already busy with the dutch " mythbuntu-control-centre"
[10:01] <laga> deffcon: great :)
[10:01] <laga> deffcon: ok.. does it work without the proprietary nvidia driver?
[10:04] <deffcon> if i set vesa in the xorg.conf i get text
[10:04] <deffcon> laga : if i set vesa in the xorg.conf i get text
[10:05] <laga> ok
[10:05] <laga> hum
[10:05] <deffcon> yes strange he
[10:05] <deffcon> when do you choose for nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new
[10:05] <deffcon> ?
[10:07] <laga> nvidia-glx is for "normal" cards, nvidia-glx-new is for the newest cards. with my 7600GS for example, i can use nvidia-glx-new and nvidia-glx
[10:09] <laga> deffcon: run mythfrontend -O
[10:10] <laga>                   ThemePainter=qt
[10:10] <laga> err
[10:10] <laga> mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt
[10:10] <laga> working?
[10:11] <SpudDogg> man, i cant even boot mythbuntu livecd using the vesa driver :/
[10:12] <SpudDogg> i keep getting that damn X error..now waiting for command prompt
[10:13] <deffcon> i have to run upstairs one moment please
[10:15] <taff> hi ! just found out about mythubuntu ! seems to be a nice project .. anybody has a list of supported video cards ? i never got my Cinergy 600 TV to record on ubuntu
[10:15] <taff> it works with tvtime ... but not with vdr .... ( no dvb card )
[10:16] <NeoFax> I cannot install mythbuntu.  Ubiquity errors always with  an error 211.
[10:16] <tgm4883_laptop> tvtime?  I thought you said it didn't work with ubuntu?
[10:17] <tgm4883_laptop> NeoFax, what step?
[10:17] <taff> well it works for watching ....
[10:17] <tgm4883_laptop> taff, did it work in mythtv?
[10:17] <taff> but not with recording / tvtime cannot record.... and as far as i know mythtv uses vdr ... --> that never worked
[10:17] <NeoFax> While it is installing it gets to installing software and then exits at approximatly 50-60%
[10:17] <deffcon> laga : nope not working
[10:17] <taff> no nothing worked with mythtv :) but this could be because of me :D
[10:18] <taff> right now i only could get tvtime to work ... but unfortunalty i cannot record with it
[10:19] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[10:19] <tgm4883_laptop> why again won't it work with vdr?
[10:19] <taff> well vdr does crash because it does not recognise the buffer of the video card ... at least thats the error message with some hex code
[10:20] <taff> but to be honest i am not really sure if it will work with vdr because i have read that it only supports dvb cards .. is that true ?
[10:20] <taff> btw thanks for reading and helping :)
[10:21] <tgm4883_laptop> laga, is saa7134 built into gutsy?
[10:22] <NeoFax> tgm4883_laptop: It errors on the install of the software
[10:22] <deffcon> laga ?
[10:22] <tgm4883_laptop> NeoFax, did you verify the iso and burnt cd?
[10:22] <tgm4883_laptop> taff, I think it will work
[10:22] <taff> saa7134 is built into feisty .... so i am sure it is in gutsy ?
[10:22] <tgm4883_laptop> a quick google shows your card uses saa7134, which just requires a modprobe in feisty
[10:23] <NeoFax> tgm4883_laptop: 3 times.  I am even trying to use it in a virtualbox.  The md5sum matches and it boots fine.
[10:23] <tgm4883_laptop> mythtv uses non dvb cards fine
[10:23] <SpudDogg> i've found a problem with the live CD's X configuration...who do i report that to?
[10:23] <tgm4883_laptop> NeoFax, and virtualbox is giving you the same problems?
[10:23] <taff> well it works with feisty on tvtime ;) but i get this buffer error with vdr
[10:24] <taff> i have had this problem for months now ... and it is one of my last reasons to still run windows ...
[10:24] <tgm4883_laptop> SpudDogg, file a bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/
[10:24] <tgm4883_laptop> taff, did you try it with mythtv?
[10:24] <taff> yes
[10:24] <tgm4883_laptop> and it didn't work
[10:24] <taff> did not work
[10:24] <SpudDogg> tgm4883_laptop: doing it right now, thanks
[10:25] <tgm4883_laptop> did you modprobe the saa7134 driver?
[10:25] <taff> no actually not
[10:25] <tgm4883_laptop> modprobe that driver then
[10:25] <taff> i thought the driver should be alright
[10:25] <taff> since it works with tvtime ... am i wrong here =
[10:26] <tgm4883_laptop> I direct you to all the other cards that use the saa7134 (non dvb) driver and  mythtv.   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feisty_hardware_list
[10:26] <taff> ok i will check thanks ! i have used modeprobe before but only with guides
[10:26] <NeoFax> tgm4883_laptop: I am working on getting virtualbox to work in sidux.  It looks like I have to log out for me to be added to the vboxuser group.
[10:27] <taff> how do i exactly use it with the saa7134 driver ? ( sorry if it is too newbie ! )
[10:27] <NeoFax> Is there a way to restat the user info without restarting X?
[10:27] <tgm4883_laptop> back in 5 min
[10:27] <tgm4883_laptop> not off the top of my head
[10:32] <taff> mhmh i don't really understand .. the teratek card is not listed and all the saa realted topics are with dvb cards ... little confused
[10:37] <taff> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Terratec_Cinergy_600  --> not really alot of information yet :P
[10:37] <tgm4883_laptop> taff http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_capture_card
[10:38] <tgm4883_laptop> then you will notice your card is listed here http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_saa7134
[10:38] <tgm4883_laptop> you will also notice that other cards also use saa7134
[10:39] <tgm4883_laptop> and that these cards had to modprobe the saa7134 driver to get it to work in mythtv in Ubuntu Feisty, that info is located here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Feisty_hardware_list
[10:40] <tgm4883_laptop> for instance a card that uses that is the Compro Videomate DBT-200
[10:40] <tgm4883_laptop> where they have to modprobe the saa7134 driver to get it to work under Feisty
[10:41] <taff> sorry if this is not the right place but what exactly does modprobe do ?
[10:41] <tgm4883_laptop> It loads the driver
[10:41] <taff> and i found this now : http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Terratec_Cinergy_400 this should be exactly the same
[10:41] <taff> but the driver is loaded ? it would not work with tvtime if it is not loaded ? ( sorry this is just interest question :P )
[10:42] <tgm4883_laptop> arg
[10:42] <taff> you don't have to answer ...
[10:42] <taff> i will just try it :)
[10:43] <taff> thanks alot for your help !
[10:49] <NeoFax> tgm4883_laptop: In virtualbox it crashes at the same spot
[10:49] <tgm4883> NeoFax, what hardware?
[10:49] <tgm4883> alpha 4?
[10:50] <tgm4883> 32 or 64 bit?
[10:50] <tgm4883> backtrace?
[10:50] <NeoFax> I have an Celeron 3.2 Ghz w/ an Nvidia video card
[10:50] <NeoFax> 32 bit alpha 4
[10:50] <NeoFax> I can send you a snapshot of the error
[10:51] <tgm4883> throw it up on a pic site
[10:53] <tgm4883> like photobucket
[11:04] <SpudDogg> when running this liveCD, i get a blank screen with a mouse pointer i can move around, but that's it.  the CD drive is running like hell, but i dont think anything is going on.  it's been here for about 5-6 minutes now.  is that normal?
[11:06] <SpudDogg> ok, it went...it just took a REALLY long time
[11:07] <laga> heh
[11:07] <SpudDogg> not bad, i reported a bug in my first 20 mins
[11:08] <SpudDogg> now i double-clicked the install mythbuntu icon about a dozen times.  is my computer just slow or what?
[11:08] <laga> mazbe it|s slow, aze
[11:09] <laga> sorry, layout messed up
[11:09] <SpudDogg> i see
[11:09] <SpudDogg> that computer is an old one, but i dont think it should be THIS slow.  oh well, waiting around
[11:10] <SpudDogg> wait, did you just call me 'ace'?
[11:10] <NeoFax> tgm4883: Here is the link:  http://s242.photobucket.com/albums/ff46/neofax/
[11:10] <laga> or you need to double click faster
[11:10] <SpudDogg> laga: nah, plenty of click skills lol
[11:11] <ubotu> New bug: #140799 in mythbuntu "Live CD's X configuration not correct" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140799
[11:11] <SpudDogg> ahh, there's my bug report
[11:12] <tgm4883> heh
[11:12] <tgm4883> SpudDogg, im not sure thats a bug
[11:12] <tgm4883> I think it's something new in gutsy
[11:12] <SpudDogg> really?  i have a plain gutsy install without that problem...but on a different machine
[11:12] <tgm4883> interesting
[11:12] <SpudDogg> a regular ubuntu gutsy install that is
[11:12] <tgm4883> I have it without all that
[11:13] <tgm4883> yep
[11:13] <tgm4883> although in the next release that will all be fixed thanks to bulletproofx
[11:13] <SpudDogg> i dont even know if its possible to change defaults like that...i dont know what's involved in having a livecd detect hardware correctly
[11:13] <SpudDogg> ahh ok
[11:13] <laga> bulletproofx is nice
[11:14] <laga> deleted my xorg.conf and x still started
[11:14] <tgm4883> ah it's not that great I formatted my Hard drive and it told me Operating System not found ;)
[11:15] <tgm4883> bulletproof-x my ass
[11:15] <SpudDogg> man my test computer is slow...the window is just opening.  something is wrong with that picture
[11:15] <laga> huhu
[11:15] <laga> how can bulletproof x format zour hdd
[11:15] <tgm4883> whoosh
[11:15] <tgm4883> thats the sound of a joke going over your head
[11:15] <laga> oh.
[11:15] <tgm4883> my GF has the same problem :)
[11:15] <laga> :(
[11:15] <laga> tgm4883: mazbe it wasnt that funnz
[11:15] <laga> funny
[11:15] <laga> heh
[11:15] <tgm4883> :*
[11:15] <tgm4883> :(
[11:16] <laga> scnr
[11:16] <laga> &me hugs tgm4883
[11:16] <laga> i need to fix the keyboard layout
[11:16] <tgm4883> thats cause your not from US, no sense of humor ;)
[11:16] <laga> and no us keyboard
[11:16] <SpudDogg> ok fellas, bbl for more playing around
[11:17] <tgm4883> laga does this look familiar http://s242.photobucket.com/albums/ff46/neofax/
[11:17] <tgm4883> I didn't think this was popping up in alpha 4
[11:18] <laga> not sure
[11:18] <laga> did he enable vnc
[11:18] <tgm4883> NeoFax?
[11:18] <tgm4883> ^^
[11:18] <NeoFax> tgm4883: Yes?
[11:18] <NeoFax> No, It does not ask me about vnc
[11:19] <tgm4883> standard install or advanced?
[11:19] <laga> oh
[11:19] <NeoFax> Standard
[11:19] <laga> mz computer is broken so i cant reallz check bug reports
[11:19] <laga> just report a new one
[11:19] <laga> althouh it looks kinda familar
[11:19] <tgm4883> thats what I thought
[11:20] <NeoFax> OK, since it may be a bug.  How do I install mythbuntu?  Install Gutsy Kubuntu then use the cdrom to add packages?
[11:21] <tgm4883> sorta
[11:21] <laga> install gutsz and install mythbuntu-control-centre
[11:21] <tgm4883> you could install kubuntu then travel here http://www.mythbuntu.org/existingubuntu
[11:21] <tgm4883> arg
[11:21] <tgm4883> http://www.mythbuntu.org/existing-ubuntu
[11:21] <NeoFax> laga: That will install all of the dependencies?
[11:21] <tgm4883> you install it via the control centre
[11:22] <tgm4883> laga, do you know eta on beta release?
[11:22] <NeoFax> OK.  Thanks!  That is my next endeavour.
[11:22] <laga> tgm4883: for mb or gutsy
[11:22] <tgm4883> MB
[11:22] <laga> no
[11:22] <laga> we are way too busy heh
[11:22] <tgm4883> gutsy is easy, there is a schedule
[11:23] <tgm4883> mythbuntu I have to check with a sorcorass in the top of a castle
[11:31] <tgm4883> !logs
[11:31] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[12:26] <MythbuntuGuest19> Hi all, checking out mythbuntu for the first time to upgrade to get schedules direct functionality.
[12:26] <MythbuntuGuest19> Got it installed, but the install script for the nvidia driver with TV out is not working and I am unsure what to do to troubleshoot
[12:27] <MythbuntuGuest19> x fails to start
[12:28] <tgm4883> MythbuntuGuest19, do you mean that duing install you can't install the nvidia driver or after install you cant?
[12:28] <tgm4883> what video card?
[12:29] <tgm4883> ok then, glad I could help
[12:30] <MythbuntuGuest73> it was detected and installed, and it gave me the option to select tv out. After install x is not starting
[12:30] <tgm4883> what card?
[12:31] <tgm4883> did you install via the control-centre, or the command line?
[12:31] <MythbuntuGuest73> I would have to look it up - nvidia 5?00 or something likst that
[12:31] <MythbuntuGuest73> control center
[12:31] <tgm4883> hmm
[12:31] <tgm4883> any errors during startup?
[12:31] <MythbuntuGuest73> it says failed to load module
[12:31] <MythbuntuGuest73> no drivers available
[12:31] <tgm4883> does it say which one?
[12:32] <MythbuntuGuest73> is there a command line script to reconfigure?
[12:32] <MythbuntuGuest73> no, it does not
[12:33] <MythbuntuGuest73> I'll run the boot disk again and see if I missed something
[12:34] <tgm4883> did you verify the iso and cd?
[12:34] <MythbuntuGuest73> Nope
[12:34] <MythbuntuGuest73> I am lazy like that ;-P
[12:34] <tgm4883> try that :)
[12:35] <MythbuntuGuest73> Is the nvidia proprietary driver usually auto installed?
[12:36] <laga> no
[12:36] <laga> ok, its official: i broke my desktop :)
[12:36] <MythbuntuGuest73> maybe that is my problem - isn't that the only one where tv out works?
[12:36] <laga> tomorrow i shall reinstall gutsy
[12:37] <laga> MythbuntuGuest73: for nvidia. zes.
[12:37] <laga> yes*
[12:37] <MythbuntuGuest73> I think I to recompile the kernel to get it working before
[12:37] <laga> gnight
[12:38] <tgm4883> Do I have to do anything special at the command line to build a source package for gutsy on a feisty system?
[12:38] <laga> tgm4883: specifz the distro in the changelog
[12:38] <laga> next to the version number theres a field for that afaik
[12:38] <tgm4883> thats all that needs done?
[12:38] <laga> zup, i think so
[12:38] <laga> cya
[12:38] <tgm4883> sweet, thanks
[12:38] <tgm4883> bye
[12:47] <MythbuntuGuest73> did the check - no errors found
[12:54] <MythbuntuGuest73> Interestingly, the install locks when I try to choose the install proprietary drivers. If I hit ctl-alt-backspace it works on the second try.
[12:55] <MythbuntuGuest73> or it appears to work anyhow
[12:59] <MythbuntuGuest73> ok
[12:59] <MythbuntuGuest73> installed again
[12:59] <MythbuntuGuest73> now it gives the error "failed to fetch blablabla/nvidia-glx_1.0.9639blablabla
[01:00] <tgm4883> yea
[01:00] <tgm4883> you can't do the proprietary install during install
[01:00] <tgm4883> you have to do it after
[01:00] <MythbuntuGuest73> oh!
[01:00] <MythbuntuGuest73> how do I go about that?
[01:00] <tgm4883> from the control centre that you saw earlier
[01:00] <tgm4883> im hoping that it works the second time :)
[01:01] <MythbuntuGuest73> oh
[01:01] <MythbuntuGuest73> I get it now
[01:01] <MythbuntuGuest73> i'll try again
[01:14] <MythbuntuGuest73> same deal - fails downloading driver
[01:16] <superm1_> g' evenin folks
[01:17] <superm1_> keescook, i saw that the upload for lirc was committed in my mail, thanks