[00:00] <gjpminingco> hey all i am needing some major help
[00:02] <gjpminingco> I have a Server running Ubuntu Server 14.04, I have my Internet coming in on port em1 with a static IP, I want to Give Inet access to all my hardware on my switch that is connected to my server via em2 and i had it working but now after trying to install a dhcp server for all non static ip hardware i have lost internet access for my hardware on my switch
[00:07] <sarnold> gjpminingco: check your IPs on your interfaces, routing tables, iptables rules, and ip_forwarding sysctl..
[00:13] <gjpminingco> is there anyway i can keep my system from loosing it's Static IP every time i restart
[00:14] <sarnold> gjpminingco: set the ip in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[00:16] <gjpminingco> thanks
[00:24] <gjpminingco> anyone any good at setting up ICS on ubuntu server and Also setting up DHCPD to run also
[00:25] <sarnold> ICS?
[00:29] <gjpminingco> Internet Connection Sharing
[00:58] <sarnold> gjpminingco: ah. you probably want to research iptables snat -- the nicest description of snat and dnat I've seen so far is here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-security-4/iptables-dnat-snat-and-masquerading-264649/#post1341452 -- but perhaps there are better guides :)
[00:59] <sarnold> gjpminingco: I'm lazy enough I'd probably try shorewall frontend first :)
[01:04] <Patrickdk> :)
[01:04] <Patrickdk> sarnold, it's required, when you have like 20+ vlans, and vpn's and other crap all going on in the same box
[01:04] <Patrickdk> way too much to do by hand
[01:05] <sarnold> Patrickdk: that's encouraging :) nice to hear there' ssomething that does a tolerable job with complex setups :)
[01:06] <Patrickdk> ya, my first attempt at it was nice :)
[01:06] <Patrickdk> a xen machine, like 5 different internal bridges, two external nics, and 6 vpn's
[01:06] <Patrickdk> different vpn's where allowed different access to the internal bridges/xen clients
[01:07] <Patrickdk> could be done by hand sure, but the mount of time for a simple change would have been painful
[02:00] <zartoosh> hi what process creates /etc/network/interface file ? thx
[02:01] <RoyK> zartoosh: vi
[02:02] <zartoosh> RoyK,  no what I mean is, this file originally get populated with network interfaces , what process does this? thx
[02:03] <RoyK> zartoosh: it's pre-built by the installer
[02:16] <zartoosh> RoyK, okay I tried to modify its content through preseeding it failed... thanks
[02:53] <DaD> DaD  Lo all.. Any sysops maintaining Ubuntu 14.04LTS AMP stack servers?
[03:12] <slompo> hi
[03:13] <slompo> A Brazilian?
[03:13] <sarnold> slompo: there is #ubuntu-br
[03:14] <DaD> Guys... I need some help
[03:14] <slompo> thanks sarnold
[03:14] <sarnold> slompo: you're welcome, have fun :)
[03:15] <slompo> have people from all over the world here?
[03:20] <slompo> you think it worth being set up a small host to host small websites and email accounts of small businesses? Or would it be better to leave it on account of the great hosts?
[03:22] <sarnold> slompo: I suggest looking at email and web hosting differently; email is an absolutely miserable thing to host yourself but hosting your own website is not too bad
[03:23] <sarnold> slompo: of course, handling spikes of web traffic (slashdot, daringfireball, etc.) can be pretty hard on your own, but that's not a problem most people have. keeping up on security fixes for your website software is the main task and that's also not terrible, just tedious most of the time :)
[03:24] <slompo> I understand. I already have a server in digitalocean, but my emails are on dreamhost, and I suffer a bit with this. In Brazil we do not have very good service providers.
[03:36] <slompo> -h
[03:38] <slompo> bye, thanks
[05:21] <lordievader> zartoosh: What you could do is modify the 70-net-persistent rule and change the name to eth0.
[08:13] <liquid-silence> hi all, setting up a new mail server, should I just use postfix + sql backend? or would I need to think of dovecot
[08:13] <peetaur2> postfix is a MTA... it doesn't give users their mailboxes. You need a thing like dovecot for that.
[08:14] <liquid-silence> or courier-imap?
[08:14] <liquid-silence> I am looking for something that does however give me the ability to create accounts via database or something
[08:14] <liquid-silence> as it will be multi domain
[08:15] <liquid-silence> but I also don't want to spend 10 hours when adding one account
[08:17] <liquid-silence> peetaur2 so I presume I need to look at dovecot + postgresql?
[08:17] <peetaur2> yes probably you want a database supported by both your MTA and whichever IMAP server you choose
[08:18] <liquid-silence> ok dovecot it is, have not done this in a while though :D
[08:18] <liquid-silence> mind if I ask some more questions?
[08:28] <fathi_> anyone can help me please ?
[09:11] <pds> any one around here that has xp with preeseeding and is will to help me out setting it up => already created the preseed file since it my first time doing so i would like to have a peerreview http://dpaste.com/1V7C296
[09:14] <pmatulis> pds: what problem are you having?
[09:15] <pds> well i would like to know how i can test it out
[09:15] <pds> and if the preseed file is out
[09:15] <pds> and if the preseed file is correct *
[09:16] <peetaur2> pds: I put mine in the initrd on the netboot server
[09:17] <peetaur2> pds: but that means you need a whole new initrd for each uniquely configured machine, rather than just a new preseed for each machine
[09:17] <peetaur2> pds: which is fine for me... so if that's fine for you, I can tell you how to do that
[09:17] <pmatulis> not many people are willing to comb a preseed file.  best is to try it, try to fix any resulting error, and then ask here if you need help
[09:17] <pmatulis> pds: ↑
[09:18] <pds> it may be a better idea if i can swap the preseed files at will, but at this moment i just want to get a PoC working
[09:21] <pds> so let the beast go, and let's go nuts
[09:23] <peetaur2> pds: so I don't know if you want it but if you do, here's what I do to pack the preseed into the initrd http://pastebin.com/iXDPDssb
[09:25] <pds> what would be the effect of this?
[09:27] <peetaur2> anything booting from your netboot will use the preseed
[09:28] <peetaur2> assuming you set the dirs right ;)
[09:29] <pds> spoiler: brace yourself newbie questions related to pxe booting and preseeding incomming
[09:30] <ed8> hi, I'm working on a systemd services and when I try to run: systemctl daemon-reload
[09:30] <ed8> I got: systemctl: command not found
[09:30] <ed8> the 'systemd{,-shim}' packages are installed
[09:31] <ed8> I'm running on a 14.04
[09:32] <pds> i would like to pxe boot a ubuntu server 14.04LTS with the seed file i wrote http://dpaste.com/1V7C296.  After that i would like to use ansible do some configuration files.
[09:34] <pds> so a) how can i pxeboot the server, b) how can i couple the preseed file that i wrote to do it's business (automate the installation) and c) how can i provide a custom script at the end to wget the ansible stuff and let it spin
[09:53] <pmatulis> pds: netbooting, preseeding, and custom installation scripts is a big topic.  you will get better help here if you do some research beforehand
[09:56] <pds> did so see resources
[09:58] <maxb> pds: I had a quick look at your preseed.cfg paste. I quickly stopped looking at it because it was so mired in commented out stuff, I couldn't easily see the functional bits. In any case, preseed setup always ends up requiring actual testing. It's sadly not practical to expect to write a preseed which works first time
[09:58] <peetaur2> he actually did quote resources before, which had all the steps...
[09:58] <peetaur2> not sure why he didn't try them :D
[09:58] <peetaur2> (yesterday I think)
[09:58] <maxb> So, test it, and come back with questions if you can't solve how it breaks! :-)
[09:59] <pds> for petes sakes how do i test in the first place
[10:01] <peetaur2> pds: Yesterday, you linked http://digitalsanctum.com/2013/03/22/how-to-setup-a-pxe-server-on-ubuntu/ and I linked http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/automated-remote-installs-of-ubuntu-using-kickstart-802660/
[10:02] <peetaur2> pds: and then I said those are fine, but use pressed instead of kickstart
[10:02] <peetaur2> and you already have a preseed file, so just put it in the initrd, skip thte kickstart steps (which makes the web server obsolete also), and then try it, and come back with errors and confusion, but not just "please tell me all the steps on IRC" ... these guides already do that fine.
[10:03] <maxb> pds: You test by attempting to run an installation
[10:03] <maxb> "Try it out and see if it works" is a pretty simple testing methodology :-)
[10:05] <peetaur2> yes
[10:05] <peetaur2> and then you are welcome to come back with any errors or questions to resolve confusion
[10:06] <peetaur2> but IRC is really not the place for pasting howtos
[10:06] <peetaur2> howtos for very specific things, sure... but not for general things where the only specific part is your preseed file
[10:37] <pmatulis> pds: truth be told, this stuff can be confusing due to the different ways to achieve preseeding.  are your targets virtual or real?
[10:51] <mndo> Hi, I am having network problems on the guests of a kvm trusty server - pinging the guest goes from a couple of ms to several seconds.. any ideas?
[10:55] <oro> hi all, any experience here with bcache?
[10:55] <oro> udev screws up bcache* naming after each reboot. Ubuntu 14.04, bcache-tools from PPA
[11:07] <rbasak> oro: I'd like to land bcache-tools in the archive proper, so I'm quite interested in the issue you have.
[11:07] <rbasak> oro: but I haven't actually tried it myself yet. Let me know what you find though, please?
[11:10] <oro> rbasak, http://pastebin.com/A9YBL9Ag
[11:10] <oro> here you can see, that after two boots the bcache*  numbered devices get their names in different order
[11:11] <oro> I want to have one disk SSD cache (/dev/sdn) in front of 11 HDDs (/dev/sd{b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l})
[11:20] <oro> rbasak, also you can see the wrong registration order in dmesg
[11:20] <oro> http://pastebin.com/vEjpKm00
[11:33] <pds> pmautils following http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/automated-remote-installs-of-ubuntu-using-kickstart-802660/ atm
[11:33] <pds> testing on virtuals
[11:34] <pds> but the actual devices are real
[11:34] <pds> the final project that is
[11:51] <pds> so following the tutorial
[11:51] <pds> sudo /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd start =>  * Not starting internet superserver: no services enabled
[11:58] <pds> @pmatulis seems like the tutorial you gave me could use an update
[11:59] <pds> do you actually need openbsd-inetd
[11:59] <pmatulis> pds: i didn't give you a tutorial
[11:59] <pds> well you linked to http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/automated-remote-installs-of-ubuntu-using-kickstart-802660/ no
[11:59] <pds> nmv that was peetaur
[12:00] <pds> any way do you actually need openbsd-inetd
[12:01] <pds> god darn it how hard can it be to find a decent source on how to preseed an ubuntu server 14.04 LTS
[12:05] <pmatulis> pds: go for the original documentation.  you are referring to blogs and forums
[12:06] <pds> #http://digitalsanctum.com/2013/03/22/how-to-setup-a-pxe-server-on-ubuntu/ #http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/automated-remote-installs-of-ubuntu-using-kickstart-802660/ #http://linux.opm.si/programska-oprema/ubuntu-14-04-network-install  #UNIX and Linux System Administration Handbook 4th Edition (Jun 2010) #page 417 - 419  #ftp://cpe-69-205-130-169.stny.res.rr.com/Public/E-BOOKS/Linux%20System%20Administrati
[12:06] <pds> how many more do you need :)
[12:06] <pds> give me a sec
[12:06] <pds> here you go
[12:06] <pds> http://dpaste.com/0FY7V8N
[12:06] <pds> that all the stuff i read over the past 2-3 days
[12:09] <pds> sp you can't blame for not trying
[12:13] <pmatulis> pds: here:
[12:13] <pmatulis> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apb.html.en
[12:13] <pmatulis> http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/doc/internals/
[12:15] <pmatulis> pds: and i asked you a question but you did not answer, so i'm also trying to help you
[12:24] <pds> i'm not blaming you i'm just getting a bit frustrated because i'm reading reading reading without having any  progress
[12:24] <pds> what was your question i may have missed is because well i was reading
[12:26] <pds> hmmm if is about real or virutal i did answer
[12:26] <pds> testing on vm's because if i fuck up something it's easier to throw away and restart
[12:27] <pds> but the final goal is psychical devices (hp thin clients) to be exact
[12:29] <pds> around [13:33] to be precise
[13:26] <pmatulis> pds: ok
[13:26] <pmatulis> pds: you will need at the very least a web server to dish up the preseed files
[13:27] <pmatulis> pds: you can point to those files in different ways
[13:30] <pmatulis> ==> virt-install (for virtual installs) or pxe (needs dhcp,isolinx) are 2 popular ways
[14:04] <LarsN> when using preseed to automate pxe installs of 12.04, I'm running into a small catch.  I have the following entry in my preseed file: d-i debian-installer/locale string en_US
[14:04] <LarsN>  however the installer still pauses, waiting for me to specify which country I'm in.
[14:04] <LarsN> Is the solution as simple as adding: d-i debian-installer/country string US
[14:05] <LarsN> which I would have thought to be redundant?  Or is there another setting I need to include to get past the country string.
[14:05] <ldelarosa> Hello guys I need some help, I just set up apache as reverse proxy and It's working with "http" but not with "https"
[14:07] <LarsN> looks like d-i debian-installer/country string US did fix it.  Good to know.
[15:04] <zartoosh> lordievader, thanks that worked.
[15:09] <lordievader> zartoosh: Nice, good to hear.
[15:49] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[16:28] <Demon_Jester> hey guys i have a linux based server at my home and im currently in the process of "hardening" it. I am wanting to know if anyone here that manages on linux based servers that setup alerts you for suspicious activity.
[17:04] <sarnold> Demon_Jester: checking for apparmor DENIED messages is a good way to see if confined services or programs are being probed; checking dmesg for segfaults is useful; checking authentication times may be useful...
[17:07] <Demon_Jester> well i mean im thinking of writing a script to send me alerts when im away if stuff has been modified or if it finds other things still wip
[17:09] <sarnold> Demon_Jester: makes sense; apt-cache search tripwire shows some similar tools that may be helpful
[17:11] <Demon_Jester> sarnold: ok thanks
[17:19] <zul> hallyn:  ping
[17:28] <patdk-wk> tripwire is nice
[17:28] <patdk-wk> but also, tripwire is predictable, first thing people look for
[17:28] <patdk-wk> just hope you get your security done good
[17:59] <Trudko> hi guys I have ubuntu server where I have production code and I would like to easily create copy of that so I can run it locally in vm to test the code
[18:18] <aandy> hi, anyone who has experience with carp on ubuntu? i'm using ucarp, but my question is general: i have a simple setup of advskew for master/slave of 1 and 100. it works as expected (slave takes over as master fails), but master regains the ip "too fast" (i.e. before a service has been started). which parameter is it i'm suppose to change to let the master be online for a bit longer before gaining the ip again
[18:26] <hallyn> zul: what's up
[18:27] <zul> hallyn:  how does lxc-snapshot work with unprivileged containers
[18:27] <hallyn> zul: same way as with privileged containers...  it creates a overlayfs clone in a custom lxcpath
[18:27] <hallyn> zul: the location has changed recently, so i'm not sure where it ends up in trusty
[18:27] <zul> hallyn:  ok
[18:27] <hallyn> it could be .local/share/lxcsnaps or .local/share/lxc/$container/snaps
[18:28] <hallyn> stgraber: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/utopic-adt-cgmanager/27/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/console  i have no idea what is going on.  is it ok for the adt testcase to restart cgmanager with --debug and then print out the /var/log/upstart/cgmanager.log?
[18:29] <stgraber> hallyn: sure
[18:34] <Level15> hi. I am trying to install mantis bug tracker on ubuntu 14.04. According to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+package/mantis there is a mantis package for trusty, however, when i do aptitude search mantis i get nothing. Any ideas?
[18:35] <hallyn> stgraber: ok trying
[18:37] <sarnold> Level15: looking for the mantis source package itself shows a different story, only available for lucid, precise, saucy: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mantis
[18:37] <Level15> sarnold: hm, so that means the package does not exist for trusty?
[18:40] <sarnold> Level15: that's whatthat looks like -- it was removed from debian eight months ago: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=730121
[18:41] <Level15> sighs
[18:41] <Level15> thanks
[18:52] <GrantK> When I ssh into my ubuntu 12.04LTS server, my login message announces: Your current Hardware Enablement Stack (HWE) is going out of support ... Install a newer HWE version by running: "sudo apt-get install linux-generic-lts-trusty linux-image-generic-lts-trusty"
[18:52] <GrantK> but, when I exec that install cmd, it reports: "linux-generic-lts-trusty is already the newest version. linux-image-generic-lts-trusty is already the newest version."
[18:52] <GrantK> Do I actually need the update? or is the message 'confused'?
[18:57] <GrantK> checking `hwe-support-status --verbose` returns "Your Hardware Enablement Stack (HWE) is supported until April 2017."
[18:58] <GrantK> which to believe?
[19:09] <genii> GrantK: I'm inclined to believe hwe-support-status
[19:18] <GrantK> genii: Checking versions manually, I'm 'correctly' updated, apparently.  Seems you're right. Nice if the notices get fixed -- but NBD if you know actual state.  Thx!
[19:22] <bitfury> !info mysql-server
[19:59] <lordievader> Upgraded to Trusty from Saucy like a smooth ride. Nice work Ubu server devs \o/
[20:04] <bitfury> !info apache
[20:04] <bitfury> !info apache2
[20:39] <bitfury> !info vtiger
[21:02] <ashd> sarnold:
[21:02] <ashd> oops
[22:27] <ghsh> hello
[22:28] <ghsh> where can i ask some questions right here on channel or ?
[22:28] <sarnold> ghsh: welcome to irc; irc works best if you just ask questions directly and wait around a little while for an answer
[22:28] <Patrickdk> never
[22:28] <Patrickdk> !ask
[22:29] <sarnold> sigh
[22:29] <Patrickdk> bots where made to be abused
[22:29] <Patrickdk> just if someone could get all my triggers programmed into it


[05:29] <diamat_> Greetings.  Earned themselves a ban then escalated themselves to a K-Line. Good times.


[07:12] <Bashing-om> I may not have overstayed my welcome, but I still must depart . Sleep calleth .
[11:34] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all


[19:42] <ailo> Seems like Fedora people are working on a PA/jack app
[20:18] <scott-work> ailo: do you have a link?
[20:27] <ailo> scott-work: No, someone just mentioned it on opensourcemusicians
[20:27] <ailo> They are also packaging falktx app, Cadence
[20:28] <scott-work> that's cool :)  i'm happy for him
[21:27] <ailo> I should probably extend the documentation for the sound system on Ubuntu. Since I use so little of it myself, makes me not realize some things
[21:27] <ailo> Didn't realize alsa works fine for many apps
[21:28] <len-dt> ailo, so long as something else isn't using it at the same time.
[21:29] <ailo> Not unlike jack, not that long ago
[21:29] <len-dt> Jack still blocks the alsa port it uses.
[21:30] <len-dt> PA is different. It doesn;t block, but gets blocked if you use the port it is using.
[21:32] <ailo> len-dt: jack has code in it that does that these days, suspending PA, if you set it to use the same device
[21:32] <ailo> Wasn't like that before
[21:32] <ailo> If you started jack when PA had that device, jack would not start
[21:33] <ailo> Also, the other way around
[21:33] <len-dt> I see.
[21:33] <len-dt> In any case there is a lot of confusion around jack, pulse alsa
[21:34] <ailo> Problem with alsa is that there's very little visible from guis
[21:34] <ailo> So, you need to know what's under the hood to get alsa
[21:34] <ailo> I mean, even from a laymans perspective
[21:35] <len-dt> The problem with alsa from desktop POV is that only one app can use it at a time. So if system sounds grabs it nothting else can.
[21:35] <ailo> Would make sense to have alsa tools just as we hace jack, and PA tools
[21:35] <len-dt> Pulse and jack mix more than one input.
[21:36] <len-dt> The alsa tools are there... just not GUI.
[21:36] <ailo> alsa wasn't like that before, I mean as a desktop sound system. But I don't really understand what is a alsa desktop sounds system
[21:36] <ailo> So, maybe I got something wrong now. Apps that support alsa have the alsa interface builtin, so they don't need any alsa server in between
[21:37] <ailo> That is why they grab the entire card
[21:37] <len-dt> Yup, that I figured out
[21:37] <len-dt> That is why arts, pulse etc showed up.
[21:38] <ailo> Which was the system before PA, arts?
[21:38] <ailo> Debian Squeeze doesn't have PA, I think?
[21:38] <len-dt> arts was kde
[21:38] <ailo> Oh, right
[21:39] <len-dt> There was another one gnome used.
[21:39] <len-dt> (yet another one)
[21:40] <ailo> So, it's always the app the chooses the audio device, when using alsa directly
[21:40] <astraljava> esound?
[21:40] <ailo> And no need for any other gui, except a mixer
[21:40] <len-dt> Yup
[21:40] <len-dt> astraljava, that sounds right
[21:41] <len-dt> qas has a nice mixer
[21:45] <len-dt> Actually the xfce mixer works ok for that too.
[21:45] <ailo> The last I looked at it, it looked fine
[21:46] <ailo> The docs just need more clarification on using Alsa with applications
[21:46] <ailo> More clarification in general
[21:46] <len-dt> ailo, just a thought. We were talking about setting PA not to start with the session. The only problem is that if the user selects sound settings from the tray icon, pavucontrol starts pulse anyway...
[21:47] <ailo> len-dt: Why would we want to disable pulse?
[21:47] <len-dt> There seem to be a whole lot of people asking how to get rid of PA
[21:48] <ailo> Ah, you mean how to it properly, after an install
[21:48] <len-dt> I was thinking of a conversation with a user we had a day or two ago.
[21:48] <ailo> Never tried to do that much myself
[21:48] <ailo> I figure, if someone really doesn't need multi application desktop audio, then maybe there would be a point to get rid of PA completely
[21:49] <len-dt> PA doesn't cause problems that I can see. The bridging can if PA/alsa is not set up right
[21:49] <len-dt> Once I have PA/alsa set up right, even bridging doesn't seem to have any impact
[21:51] <ailo> pasuspender does suspend PA, but once you try to start a web browser with flash, the flash audio plugin part gets stuck
[21:51] <len-dt> ailo, another topic... Scott has mentioned adding various apps in the bluprint... should we jsut add them?
[21:51] <len-dt> As it should
[21:52] <ailo> len-dt: Why not. We should not add the apps to the seeds without asking on the list, I guess
[21:53] <ailo> PA doesn't interrupt alsa AFAICS, when pasuspender is used
[21:53] <len-dt> if you are recording a vocal to tape the studio speakes should be off too, so with flash... it is still flick the right switch.
[21:53] <ailo> I think pasuspender is a nice short term solution
[21:54] <len-dt> Recording audio with a computer still requires some intelligence, just as recording to tape.
[21:54] <ailo> The Fedora audio people are probably going to create a gui with a start/stop for PA
[21:54] <ailo> I agree.
[21:54] <ailo> But it depends a bit on what you are doing
[21:55] <ailo> If you do multi channel studio recording, you need to know a lot of things
[21:55] <ailo> Can't just expect the tools to do things for you
[21:55] <len-dt> yes. A clear display of what is on and off would be nice.
[21:56] <len-dt> A switch panel
[21:58] <ailo> We could add that to controls. We just need to find a good way to shut off PA, and keep it shut off
[21:59] <len-dt> pasuspender will do that. Just tie it to a script that does wait forever.
[21:59] <ailo> There may be some problems still
[21:59] <len-dt> Kill the script when it should restart.
[22:00] <ailo> Actually, when I come to think about it, starting PA apps may cause xruns for jack, when using the same card, even if PA us suspended. Would need some testing
[22:02] <holstein> does this need tested in 12.10?
[22:02] <holstein> can we use 12.04 to test?
[22:02]  * holstein still running 10.04 ;)
[22:03] <holstein> i have a normal ubuntu 12.04 install, but i rarely use it
[22:03] <ailo> holstein: 12.04 should be fine
[22:03] <ailo> Doesn't seem like much has changed yet. Same jack version
[22:03] <frewsxcv> Anyone know a good software synthesizer for Linux?
[22:04] <len-dt> Most of the changes in 12.10 are xfce from .8 to .10
[22:04] <holstein> i need to go back to a testing partition on a seperate hard drive
[22:04] <ailo> frewsxcv: You could ask on #ubuntustudio or perhaps #opensourcemusicians, would be more appropriate
[22:04] <holstein> frewsxcv: zynadd, yoshimi... some soundfont player that plays whatever samples you want... linux sampler
[22:04] <holstein> xsynth, whysynth
[22:05] <frewsxcv> ailo: Yeah good call
[22:05] <holstein> i would try and catch [lsd] in #opensourcemusicians.. he's my go to MIDI guy
[22:05] <holstein> http://wootangent.net/category/music/tutorials/
[22:05] <holstein> ^^ thats from [lsd]'s site
[22:07] <ailo> Hey, that's a good site
[22:07] <ailo> I'll add it to our community wiki
[22:08] <holstein> yup.. he's quite the guru
[22:08] <len-dt> :) I was waiting for that...
[22:11] <frewsxcv> I remember the early days of this channel
[22:11] <frewsxcv> We'd have Tremulous tournaments
[22:12] <holstein> i had some nice tremulous battles over the holidays this past year.. with my family
[22:12] <frewsxcv> Does cory kantos still stop by?
[22:27] <astraljava> Kontros*, and no I don't think so. Haven't seen his nick in years, probably.
[22:28] <astraljava> All the oldies are gone; joejaxx, and the other founder... But that one gentleman from France just stopped by the other month.
[22:29] <astraljava> Come to think of it, Dan isn't here either, anymore.
[22:29] <astraljava> So it's probably Luke who's the senior in rank now. :)
[22:31] <astraljava> ttoine is the nick I was thinking of.
[23:56] <ailo> Apparently for me, jack did not suspend PA anymore
[23:57] <ailo> Only works if no app is using PA


[00:31] <Curly> sudo apt-get update
[00:31] <Curly> Mistake
[00:31] <Curly> Wrong window. Sorry.
[00:31] <JackFrost> [sudo] password for Curly:
[00:31] <JackFrost> (Don't actually type it.)
[00:32] <Curly> Password is:  JackFrost. :)
[00:32] <raccoon_dog> XD
[00:32] <Curly> I have been working on this computer for 10 hours.
[00:34] <Curly> I was uninstalling VBox and upgrading it. Purging; Upgrading; Updating.
[00:34] <JackFrost> Ouch.  From the vbox repo or Ubuntu's?
[00:35] <Curly> I am going to try Oracle's installation.
[00:35] <Curly> I had
[00:35] <Curly> Windows XP Pro installed. It worked just fine.
[00:36] <Curly> The only problem is that it did not see any USB devices. It was all greyed out. It requires dependencies and other installs.
[00:37] <Curly> Why go through all of the additions and other add-ons. Just purge and reinstall the latest version.
[00:39] <Curly> I was able to copy and paste from the Guest to the Host but not from Host to Guest. That was another issue.
[00:40] <Curly> JackFrost, Ouch! is the word.
[00:43] <Curly> About 20 years ago I used Red Hat 6 and logged into the IRC in root. I was extremely cautioned on that. That was a hard lesson to learn.
[00:52] <Curly> In Windows one of the Best IRC Client/server was Pirch98. I still use it in some cases. It is also a UNIX-Like server. Programmable too.
[00:55] <Curly> The old Netscape Navigator had an IRC Client built in.
[00:56] <Curly> On Dalnet there is a #Linux Channel I used to be on. Now you need to identify on Dalnet with an email address. I suppose it is for security and keeping out the Script Kiddies.
[00:57] <JackFrost> If you register or identify with nickserv, you can join ##linux here.
[00:57] <Curly> True.
[00:58] <Curly> How is done? Port Forwarding?
[00:59] <Curly> I left out the word  that. :)
[01:01] <Curly> I set up years ago on my website an interface which is a link to my Domain Name and it forwarded it to Kiwiirc Server to my IRCD generic server. What I didn't like about it was there was no Chanserv. If I left or rebooted the server Whoever was on the server had OPS.
[01:02] <Curly> I was looking at IRCD-Seven Bahamut is OK but you need to install:  Anope
[01:03] <Curly> IRCD-Hybrid has Anope built in.
[01:03] <raccoon_dog> Atheme >> Anope.
[01:04] <JackFrost> Curly: You may also want to try a social channel such as ##chat, though you'll need to register (see /msg nickserv help register)
[01:04] <Curly> True. One older one was:  Church.
[01:04] <JackFrost> That one is very unmaintained.
[01:05] <Curly> A programmer friend uses Church with Bahamut. It seems to work OK. Primitive though.
[01:07] <Curly> I found this server with IRSSI  /server list  command.
[01:51] <Curly> By the way I found this webisite on the best way to install Virtualbox:  https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/how-to-install-virtualbox-on-ubuntu-20-04-linux-lts/#Installing_VirtualBox
[01:52] <Curly> The only thing I tried the sudo apt-get and that didn't work. I tried sudo apt install and that worked. Interesting command difference between previous versions of Xubuntu.
[01:53] <Curly> I guess it is interchangeable with:  aptitude install
[02:30] <Curly> I think the answer to the latter is that I installed aptitude which wasn't install by default.
[03:28] <jdwwatts> hello everyone
[04:09] <Curly> Greetings Jdwwatts  :)
[08:37] <xu-irc21w> Hello
[08:37] <xu-irc21w> i'm Korean
[20:41] <mrd2689a> Hello everyone.  This is my first time coming here.  I am new to Xubuntu and am having trouble getting my bluetooth activated/working.  I've gotten as far as determining that apparently there is no drive installed.
[20:41] <mrd2689a> Can anybody please help me get my bluetooth working?
[20:42] <mrd2689a> *driver
[20:48] <diogenes_> mrd2689a, what laptop?
[20:49] <mrd2689a> Hi.  It's an Asus X551M
[20:49] <mrd2689a> Apparently the wireless adaptor/bluetooth is an Atheros AR9485
[20:51] <diogenes_> mrd2689a, run in terminal: sudo rfkill list | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:51] <mrd2689a> ok, will do
[20:51] <diogenes_> share the url
[20:52] <mrd2689a> https://termbin.com/twqc
[20:52] <mrd2689a> I don't see any mention of bluetooth
[20:53] <diogenes_> dmesg | grep -i blue
[20:54] <diogenes_> any output?
[20:54] <mrd2689a> checking
[20:54] <mrd2689a> [    5.525480] Bluetooth: Core ver 2.22[    5.525511] Bluetooth: HCI device and connection manager initialized[    5.525517] Bluetooth: HCI socket layer initialized[    5.525521] Bluetooth: L2CAP socket layer initialized[    5.525527] Bluetooth: SCO socket layer initialized[    5.645751] Bluetooth: HCI UART driver ver 2.3[    5.645755] Bluetooth:
[20:54] <mrd2689a> HCI UART protocol H4 registered[    5.645756] Bluetooth: HCI UART protocol BCSP registered[    5.645778] Bluetooth: HCI UART protocol LL registered[    5.645780] Bluetooth: HCI UART protocol ATH3K registered[    5.645800] Bluetooth: HCI UART protocol Three-wire (H5) registered[    5.645849] Bluetooth: HCI UART protocol Intel registered[
[20:54] <mrd2689a> 5.645899] Bluetooth: HCI UART protocol Broadcom registered[    5.645913] Bluetooth: HCI UART protocol QCA registered[    5.645915] Bluetooth: HCI UART protocol AG6XX registered[    5.645933] Bluetooth: HCI UART protocol Marvell registered[   19.491215] Bluetooth: BNEP (Ethernet Emulation) ver 1.3[   19.491219] Bluetooth: BNEP filters: protocol
[20:54] <mrd2689a> multicast[   19.491225] Bluetooth: BNEP socket layer initialized
[20:55] <diogenes_> !pastebin | mrd2689a
[20:56] <mrd2689a> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zhqFRQpygJ/
[20:58] <diogenes_> systemctl status bluetooth | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:59] <mrd2689a> no output, diogenes
[21:01] <diogenes_> hmm: sudo systemctl restart bluetooth
[21:03] <mrd2689a> https://termbin.com/m8kq
[21:04] <diogenes_> lsmod | grep -i blue
[21:04] <diogenes_> see bluetooth there?
[21:05] <mrd2689a> bluetooth             548864  12 btrtl,btqca,btintel,hci_uart,btbcm,bnepecdh_generic           16384  1 bluetooth
[21:05] <mrd2689a> yes
[21:06] <diogenes_> type: bluetoothctl
[21:06] <mrd2689a> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qKKfp6X3TF/
[21:06] <diogenes_> then enter
[21:06] <mrd2689a> ok
[21:07] <diogenes_> then type: power on
[21:07] <diogenes_> hit ented and what you get?
[21:07] <mrd2689a> No default controller available
[21:08] <diogenes_> hmm that's weird, are you dual booting with win10?
[21:09] <mrd2689a> yes, unfortunately.  but months ago right after I installed Xubuntu (2nd operating system), I became unable to boot into Win10, and never figured that out.
[21:12] <diogenes_> i've seen such problems when dual booting, i'd advice you to write the most recent Xubuntu iso on a USB drive or DVD and try it without installing and see if it works there.
[21:13] <mrd2689a> Hmmm.... OK.  I unfortunately am out in the middle of nowhere, without a USB key, so I won't be able to get back to you.
[21:13] <mrd2689a> But I can try that later for sure.
[21:13] <diogenes_> as of right now i have to leave but there are many ppl who could assist you further on.
[21:13] <diogenes_> good luck.
[21:14] <mrd2689a> I'm going to save our convo so that others can take a look at it and see what we've done  Thanks for your help!!!!!
[21:14] <mrd2689a> thank you
[21:14] <diogenes_> you're welcome


 https://perezmeyer.com.ar/blog/2023/06/08/adventures_in_debian_s_qt_land/
 The thanks to @mitya57  in that is totally deserved, and I echo it wholeheartedly


[01:06] <testco> Anyone using 14.04? Is it frozen now so no breaking changes?
[01:22] <mic_> hello
[01:31] <Addle> testco: Well, some things broke in my latest update, so I'd say expect breakage.
[01:33] <testco> Addle: this afternoon's update? that broke a lot of things
[01:33] <testco> for everyone
[01:33] <Addle> testco: Yeah, have to agree. :)
[01:34] <Addle> Looks like it'll be nice, once things smooth out, though.
[02:05] <Xeno> Can any anyone help me? on my last update I get when I try to login to Kubuntu 14.04 could not start dbus. can you call qdbus? Well I found the fix is to apt-get install qdbus-qt5 but I am running wireless, do I have to connect to a ethernet cable to get it to work?
[02:35] <Addle> Xeno: Was the only way I found to get internet back after that update.
[02:36] <Addle> Xeno: Though I bet calling wpa_supplicant and dhcpcd yourself would work.
[02:37] <Addle> Xeno: Well, maybe not "bet", but seems likely. :)
[02:38] <Xeno> Sorry was out of the room
[02:40] <Xeno> I do Ctrl + Alt + F1 to get terminal but I have no internet with wireless, I have tried apt-get update and I get errors
[02:40] <Addle> If you can plug it into a physical ethernet, that's the easiest way.
[02:41] <Xeno> I thought so I would have to move my computer from the room to the living room but it's not a problem if I had to
[02:42] <Addle> If you don't mind getting your hands dirty, you can try using wpa_supplicant and dhcpcd directly.
[02:42] <Addle> Xeno: This might help if you try that: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/WPA_supplicant
[02:43] <Addle> Xeno: Just ignore the systemd stuff and check the Manual Configuration section.
[02:43] <Addle> Still, might be more expedient just to move it. :)
[02:45] <Xeno> ok either way, I am still learning Linux but I like when I get to learn more so I might get my hands dirty on this one :-)
[02:45] <Addle> Xeno: It's useful knowledge, anyways.
[02:46] <Addle> Xeno: Ugh, you might need to use dhclient instead of dhcpcd to get an IP, though. dhcpcd isn't installed on this fresh 13.10 installation, anyways.
[07:05] <mokush> is anybody on the latest beta? any idea why after an upgrade I did just now I can't mount any media
[07:05] <mokush> ntfs or anything else
[07:07] <Addle> mokush: Probably kdbus borked, if I were to guess.
[07:08] <mokush> Addle: any idea how I could duck-tape it? until updates with fixes are available?
[07:08] <mokush> also network manager shows that I'm not connected to any network, even if my wired connection seems to be working fine
[07:08] <valorie> mokush: have you filed a bug about this?
[07:08] <valorie> mokush: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1302348
[07:09] <valorie> please comment on this bug
[07:09] <mokush> valorie: not yet, it just happened 2 minutes ago after I did the dist-upgrade
[07:09] <valorie> I'll try to mount my phone
[07:09] <mokush> btw, the error dolphin reports when trying to mount is 'An error occurred while accessing 'drive', the system responded: An unspecified error has occurred: Not authorized to perform operation'
[07:09] <valorie> that's helpful
[07:10] <Addle> mokush: I shouldn't have closed the info I had found. Looking for it...
[07:10] <valorie> btw: #ubuntu+1 for Trusty
[07:12] <Addle> mokush: Search for qdbus in this: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/03/22/%23kubuntu-devel.txt
[07:12] <Addle> tl;dr "<yofel> so the solutions are: a) replace qt5-default with qt4-default b) install qdbus-qt5 c) install kde-workspace-bin >= 4:4.11.6-0ubuntu3"
[07:12] <Addle> I think PolKit also had an issue.
[07:13] <Addle> Here's a thread on it: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?65005-quot-Could-not-start-d-bus-Can-you-call-qdbus-quot
[07:14] <Addle> About the PolKit issue: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?65082-systemd-update-screwed-up-policy-kit-network-manager-and-muon-qapt
[07:15] <Addle> Hm, not sure that last one is relevant. That's for trusty-proposed.
[07:15] <valorie> !info cgmanager
[07:16] <Addle> Does seem to be in trusty: http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/trusty/cgmanager
[07:17] <Addle> Just not sure about the systemd thing being in trusty proper.
[07:18] <Addle> Wow: http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/systemd-services
[07:19] <Addle> Didn't think systemd would be in this release. Doubt it would be the default init for trusty.
[07:19] <valorie> well, cgmanager is now installed
[07:19] <valorie> we'll see if it helps
[07:20] <valorie> systemd isn't installed on my system according to apt-cache policy though
[07:22] <Addle> Yeah, I guess it's there for people to experiment with.
[07:22] <Unit193> Addle: 'systemd' isn't in this release, the package is a shim only.
[07:23] <Addle> Unit193: Oh, that makes sense. Thanks!
[07:23] <Addle> Figured that was a little quick, as integrations go. :)
[07:25] <alex____> bonjour  !!
[07:25] <Addle> Bonjour, alex____ :)
[07:26] <alex____> je  decouvre !  :)
[07:29] <Addle> *découvre ;)
[07:30] <Addle> Behold my language character set switching skillz!
[07:30] <alex____> oui je vien de découvrir  ce site
[07:32] <Addle> C'est une bonne place, mais surtout conduit en englais.
[07:32] <Addle> There's a french channel, right? At least for ubuntu?
[07:32] <Addle> !fr
[07:32] <Addle> Ahah, I knew that would be there. hehe
[07:41] <mokush> Addle: could you copy-paste the a) b) c) solutions you wrote earlier?
[07:41] <Addle> Sure thing:
[07:41] <Addle> "<yofel> so the solutions are: a) replace qt5-default with qt4-default b) install qdbus-qt5 c) install kde-workspace-bin >= 4:4.11.6-0ubuntu3"
[07:42] <mokush> Addle: thanks!
[07:42] <Addle> mokush: np!
[07:42] <mokush> so I installed the cgmanager and qdbus-qt5 packages, an d everything seems to work now
[07:42] <mokush> thanks guys!
[07:43] <valorie> mokush: in the new kernel?
[07:44] <Addle> mokush: Great! np :)
[07:45] <mokush> valorie: what do you mean?
[07:45] <alket> is kubuntu 14 stable enough ?
[07:46] <valorie> mokush: you added those three packages to the newest Trusty updates, including the new kernel?
[07:46] <Addle> alket: Probably be so soonish, I bet, but right now there's a few issues.
[07:47] <mokush> valorie: I had installed 3.13 before upgrading to the 14.04 betas. but I think the beta upgrade also brought along a newer 3.13 kernel
[07:47] <Addle> alket: Testing is very welcome, of course, but it's beta and I'd wait a bit if you don't want to have to mess around.
[07:47] <alket> Addle, thank you for the info
[07:47] <Addle> alket: No problem :)
[07:48] <valorie> thanks, mokush
[07:48] <valorie> yes, once you get the beta and do any upgrades, you are on the dailies
[07:51] <valorie> !info qdbus-qt5
[07:53] <mokush> since I'm on the dailies right now, once the stable trusty gets released, will I be on the stable release? or is there anything extra I'm going to have to do?
[07:53] <valorie> you'll be on stable once Trusty is released
[07:54] <valorie> you have to do `do-release-upgrade` again to get on the daily train again
[07:56] <mokush> valorie: so I'll just do dist-upgrade from now on, won't have to do another release upgrade once trusty is out?
[07:56] <Addle> mokush: Correct
[07:57] <valorie> so I'm going to quit and restart into the new kernel again, and see if cgmanager, qt4-default, and qdbus-qt5 do the trick
[07:57] <valorie> oh, workspace-bin, himmm
[08:40] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:49] <trung> I got some really weird problems: if I launch an application using krunner (the Alt+F2) the application's fonts will look very ugly (doesn't seem to be affected by my settings at all). On the other hand launching that same application through a terminal works fine
[08:54] <valorie> that's really bizarre
[08:54] <valorie> how about trying it from konsole as well?
[08:55] <trung> let me try
[08:55] <trung> konsole works fine
[08:55] <trung> (earlier I used Yakuake but I think it should be the same)
[08:56] <valorie> trung: perhaps file a bug against krunner
[08:57] <valorie> although a replacement is being written
[08:57] <valorie> still, that's just plain odd
[08:57] <valorie> yakuake <3
[08:57] <trung> I am installing Synapse to replace krunner at the moment
[08:58] <trung> some time ago I disabled Akonadi and Nepomuk since my system would pause every 30s or so
[08:58] <trung> Krunner hasn't worked well since
[08:58] <trung> newly added applications don't show up on search
[08:59] <trung> oh and Yakuake would be my favorite application ever if it wasn't for the fact that creating new tab doesn't keep the same directory
[08:59] <trung> :(
[09:00] <hateball> well if you disabled nepomuk, of course krunner wont work properly
[09:00] <trung> well I like KDE but nepomuk/akonadi would make everything unusable :/
[09:00] <trung> CPU spikes too often
[09:00] <hateball> have you done any distro upgrades since? nepomuk is not a pig any longer
[09:00] <hateball> more like a... piglet :p
[09:01] <hateball> It used to be it reindexed everything on reboot for instance, no longer the case
[09:02] <trung> I remember it not being so bad some time ago, then (I don't remember when anymore) it started slowing down again and I had to give up
[09:02] <trung> plus I didn't feel like I was benefitting a lot from it honestly
[09:02] <valorie> nepomuk is on the way out anyway
[09:03] <valorie> turn it on, let baloo take over, and enjoy
[09:04] <trung> do you have the same problem with Yakuake? Where new tabs would not keep the old one's folder?
[09:05] <valorie> I don't want the old folder, so I don't see that as a problem
[09:07] <hateball> I don't use yakuake, but maybe you can set it to open the new tab in $(pwd) ?
[09:09] <hateball> in konsole that is: konsole --new-tab --workdir $(pwd)
[09:09] <hateball> if one likes tabs, that is
[09:10] <trung> yakuake seems to be based on konsole (I don't know how it works honestly) but they emulate the tabs in a different way from konsole
[09:12] <trung> there doesn't seem to be an option to do what you described
[09:12] <trung> but why don't you like tabs? They seem awfully useful for me
[09:14] <valorie> I use them occasionally
[09:17] <hateball> trung: I like tabs, I was just saying. If you dont, dont use --new-tab :p
[09:18] <hateball> my only annoyance with konsole is that it all runs as the same process, even if you open new windows
[09:18] <hateball> and so --new-tab will open in the first opened window, not the current one -_-
[10:22] <Anpu> hi, would be better to install Kubuntu OS on SSD and keep my /home or data disk on HDD ?
[10:28] <Walex> Anpu: depends entirely on what you do with one or the other. Many small files frequently accessed? SSD is better.
[10:29] <Walex> Anpu: and of couse on how big SSD, root partition and '/home'.
[10:37] <Anpu> Walex: I was thinking to install Kubuntu on SSD for additinal performance (right?) then throw my large files on HDD but I can also create on SSD /var/name folder to which I could link some dot folders from my home (.cache and similar - if this is ok, any recommendations whixh would be the best?)
[10:37] <Anpu> and your "many small files accesses frequently" sounds just like OS activity
[10:38] <hateball> If you're brave, you can use btrfs and hot relocation
[10:38] <Walex> Anpu: that depends what you do with the OS files.
[10:38] <Walex> Anpu: and whether for example you have Maildir mailboxes
[10:39] <Anpu> hateball: hehe it was offered earlier (and now on default) on opensuse but I wasn't really feeling safe with it, thus returned to ext4
[10:39] <Anpu> Walex: right, got it. Thanks for help!
[10:39] <hateball> there is also the option of bcache
[10:40] <Anpu> actually now that I think, /tmp might be a faolder with large files sometimes
[10:40] <Anpu> folder*
[10:44] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[10:46] <Anpu> I believe I ll set everything go on SSD /home included but will mount HDD in /home/data for example. And that should do I believe
[10:46] <Anpu> morning BluesKaj
[10:46] <Walex> Anpu: that may be a sensible compromise.
[10:48] <BluesKaj> hi Anpu
[10:55] <ussher_> Anpu: thats how I've got mine.  works great.
[11:12] <Boogcelot> Hi!
[11:12] <Boogcelot> I need your help!
[11:13] <Boogcelot> any expert on "can't read superblock" error?
[11:16] <Walex> Boogcelot: read 'dmesg' it will most likely tell you why.
[11:18] <Boogcelot> pfu
[11:18] <Boogcelot> device reported invalid CHS sector 0
[11:27] <Walex> Boogcelot: that's rather sad.
[11:27] <Boogcelot> :)
[11:27] <Walex> Boogcelot: either the device is completely dead or it is not connected correctly. If it is not a physical device it is misconfigured.
[11:27] <Boogcelot> oh...
[11:28] <Boogcelot> so it means the hdd is damaged?
[11:28] <Walex> Boogcelot: it is unlikely that it is just sector 0 that is dead.
[11:28] <Walex> Boogcelot: who knows? too few details.
[11:29] <Boogcelot> I could tell you more about the error :)
[11:29] <Walex> Boogcelot: have a look at the outputs of 'hdparm -I /dev/...' and 'smartctl -A /dev/...' to get an idea.
[11:29] <Boogcelot> it's just that it's very long
[11:29] <Walex> Boogcelot: put it in bpaste.net
[11:30] <Boogcelot> so, for smartctl -A
[11:30] <Boogcelot> the result is
[11:30] <Boogcelot> Probable ATA device behind a SAT layer
[11:31] <Boogcelot> then I continue with smartctl -A -d ata
[11:31] <Boogcelot> "Read Device identity failed: permission denied"
[11:31] <Walex> Boogcelot: so you are hiding several crucial facts about your configuration.
[11:32] <Boogcelot> tell me Walex the details tha tyou need
[11:32] <Boogcelot> I will try my best to provide everything :D
[11:33] <Boogcelot> I had a NAS Iomega device which doesn't work anymore. The hard drive is from there.
[11:34] <Walex> Boogcelot: that looks like a dead drive, guessing wildly. BTW this is not the right channel for that, ##hardware or ##Linux are far more appropriate.
[11:34] <Walex> Boogcelot: also, how is your maybe-dead drive connected to your PC?
[11:34] <Boogcelot> directly via SATA cable
[11:35] <Walex> then 'smartctl -A' would not be saying that. Unless the drive is really completely dead.
[11:35] <Walex> Boogcelot: does it get listed by 'lsscsi'
[11:36] <Boogcelot> what is Isscsi? sorry for asking... :|
[11:37] <Walex> Boogcelot: "lsscsi" the first letter is ell
[11:39] <Boogcelot> I don't get exactly what you want me to do :|
[12:16] <dougl> BluesKaj, "You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these.
[12:16] <dougl> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:16] <dougl>  xserver-xorg-video-all : Depends: xserver-xorg-video-nouveau but it is not installed" is my error on dist-upgrade after I have installed nvidia drivers and I know -f will fix is but I dont want to lose my nvidia drivers so I am not sure if I have to manually uninstall xserver-xorg-video-all
[12:22] <BluesKaj> dougl, if the nvidia driver is working ( nouveau is the default nvidia driver) then you casn reinstall the nvidia optional driver from additional drivers if the nouveau driver becomes default...blacklisting the nouveau is an option , but then it's no longer a fall back in the additional driver breaks
[12:23] <BluesKaj> if the additional driver breaks, that is
[12:24] <dougl> so I can safely -f to fix and I would still be usining nvidia but nouveau is back up?
[12:24] <BluesKaj> yes
[12:25] <dougl> thank you my friend appreciate the help - gonna do that right now
[12:45] <trung_> does anyone use Synapse launcher? How does it look for applications?
[12:46] <trung_> I tried putting some .desktop files in /etc/share/applications and ~/.local/share/applications but it couldn't find those
[12:46] <trung_> (these do show up on KDE application menu)
[12:46] <trung_> it can easily find other applications i.e. those installed via the marketplace or apt-get
[12:55] <dougl> Hey BluesKaj, thanks wasn't doing the updates until I had that issue resolved - thanks for the help... I gotta run and finnish painting my church just wanted you to feel used, abused and appreciated :)
[12:56] <BluesKaj> dougl, good luck with the painting :)
[12:56] <dougl> Thanks :0
[12:56] <dougl> err :P
[13:01] <pramiti> I have kdelib5 dev version 4.11 installed.. can u tell how to install new version ?
[13:04] <pramiti> while doing cmake its gives me following error : http://pastebin.com/jHqUeQne
[13:04] <Raeth> test
[13:05] <Pici> failed
[13:16] <Raeth> lol
[13:23] <pramiti> i am getting following error : please help
[13:24] <pramiti> i am not able to upload higher version ?? using sudo apt-get update
[13:31] <BluesKaj> pramiti, after updating , run sudo apt-get upgrade and make sure you have kubuntu backports enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:34] <pramiti> BlueKaj: wat exactly be the line in sources.list ?
[13:34] <pramiti> deb http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[13:34] <pramiti> i have this line in the file
[13:36] <BluesKaj> pramiti, it contains this,  archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/xxxxx backports , xxxx being your OS version
[13:36] <Walex> pramiti: your question is way too ambiguous.
[13:37] <Walex> pramiti: are you trying to upgrade the version of KDE?
[13:38] <pramiti> Walex: i was installing kdepimlibs using cmake and it was giving me following error : it requires higher version of kdelibs5-dev
[13:38] <BluesKaj> now he tells us
[13:39] <pramiti> BluesKaj: deb http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ saucy-backports main restricted universe multiverse   then this is the backport mentioned in source.list
[13:39] <Walex> pramiti: then you are a very advanced developer who understands very well how to build KDE, and we cannot be so presumptuous as to teach you how to do it.
[13:40] <BluesKaj> yeah thats it , but you didn't say you were compiling from source instead pramiti
[13:40] <pramiti> Walex: no i was doing because of to build a patch in kmail which requires kdepimlibs..
[13:41] <Walex> pramiti: if you know KDE and its build system so well that you build your own backports, it is difficult to find help in this channel which is mostly for simple issues.
[13:42] <BluesKaj> pramiti, ok well you're obviously on the right track since the backports don't have what you require, but you could have told us that first
[13:42] <Walex> pramiti: however if what you want is newer versions of KDE, the semi-official Kubuntu KDE PPA can give you precompiled packages.
[13:43] <pramiti> i was an trying to build  build a patch for bugs regarding kde.. I have just started as open source contributor .. like for example this : https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=kmail
[13:43] <pramiti> I have kubuntu 13.01
[13:43] <pramiti> 13.10
[13:43] <pramiti> i just want newer version of kdelibs5-dev
[13:44] <Walex> pramiti: then perhaps you can discuss this on #KDE-devel. Probably they will advise you to develop against a full current version of the KDE sources.
[13:44] <Walex> pramiti: alternatively you can download the relevant source-deb packages, add a patch to those, and rebuild.
[13:44] <Walex> pramiti: alternatively you can download the relevant source-deb packages for 13.10, add a patch to those, and rebuild.
[13:45] <Walex> pramiti: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpdatingADeb for example
[13:46] <pramiti> Walex : i want to know if i install a package of version 12.01 and try to install using installaion manager ..it says older version installed.. and if i remove older version.. it still say u have older version install
[13:47] <Walex> pramiti: if you are trying to mix versions from sources and from packages you are a very advanced developer capable of doing very subtle tricks and I can't help with that.
[13:47] <pramiti> Walex: ohh okk.. no i am totally new ... i am not sure what should i do..
[13:48] <Walex> pramiti: the first thing would be to ask questions of the form "I have setuo this ... and I get this exact error message .... when I try to do ...." :-)
[13:49] <Walex> pramiti: but it seems that your goal is to contribute patches to KDE (you may be one of the IIT students with an assignment like that, guessing wildly).
[13:49] <pramiti> Walex: yes.. :)
[13:50] <Walex> pramiti: if your goal is to contribute patches, probably the best idea is to use the pre-packages sources debs corresponding to the distribution release you have, unpack them, rebuild them, and all will be consistent and give you no trouble,
[13:50] <Walex> pramiti: you first test should be to understand how to rebuild a source .deb for KDE without doing any modifications to it.
[13:50] <pramiti> next time ill definetly ask question properly :)
[13:51] <Walex> pramiti: since you would be using source .debs that have been used to build the same version binary .debs, it will all work nice.
[13:51]  * Walex is an optimist
[13:52] <Walex> have you tried doing that 'apt-get source ....' command?
[13:53] <BluesKaj>  uhm yeah, in best case scenario Walex ")
[13:53] <pramiti> Walex : umm i have done sudo pat-get update and upgrade
[13:53] <Walex> BluesKaj: every other alternative is far worse, and these IIT students have only 6-8 weeks to do their project
[13:54] <Walex> pramiti: perfect, after 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get upgrade' you have the lastest *binary* packages.
[13:55] <Walex> pramiti: pramiti now please find which source package was used to build the binary package you want to enhance, and follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpdatingADeb
[13:57] <pramiti> Walex: okk :)
[13:57] <pramiti> thanxs 4 help :)
[13:58] <Walex> pramiti: people in the West have a high opinion of IIT students: http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2003-09-15/
[13:58] <Walex> BluesKaj: is there a less painful way to add a patch to a Kubuntu KDE package than that? I hope there is :-).
[13:59] <pramiti> ohh lol  X)
[13:59] <Walex> pramiti: to find the source package there is a search tool here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[13:59] <Walex> pramiti: to find the source package there is a search tool here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[14:01] <BluesKaj> Walex, not sure, I don't compile/patch much. I'm a home user with no coding or pc language/software education
[14:02]  * Walex backports patches to .debs at work to maintain local forks
[14:04] <pramiti> Walex: ohh this is nice.. can u tell me ubuntu and kubuntu have same packages version ?
[14:04] <pramiti> or one os more updated than the other ?
[14:05] <Walex> pramiti: they use almost entirely the same archives. They are just different menus of packages from the same archives.
[14:05]  * BluesKaj is an old windows user who discovered linux after retirement
[14:05] <pramiti> Walex : ok :)
[14:07] <Walex> pramiti: http://search.dilbert.com/search?w=indian%20institute&method=and&isort=date&view=list
[14:08] <Walex> pramiti: another "package rebuild" HOWTO: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/rebuilding-ubuntu-debian-linux-binary-package/
[14:27] <tekkbuzz> pramiti: have you tried also  apt-get dist-upgrade   and/or   do-release-upgrade   which would bring you to the latest release.
[14:28] <tekkbuzz> ^^ ?
[14:28] <pramiti> tekkbuzz.. yes i have tried.. the latest version is 4.11.5.. and it require 4.12..
[14:29] <tekkbuzz> ahh, okay, carry-on then.
[14:30] <BluesKaj> tekkbuzz, do-release-upgrade tries to upgrade the OS to the next official release which in 13.10 will not do anything
[14:34] <tekkbuzz> BluesKaj: guess I didn't follow the thread close enough :)
[14:36] <BluesKaj> tekkbuzz, he\s compiling from source anyway since he needs a patch for kmail
[14:39] <Walex> pramiti: why does it require 4.12? If you are using the 4.11.5 source .debs that's not a problem.
[14:39] <Walex> BluesKaj: he is trying to _write_ a patch for KMail.
[14:39] <Walex> pramiti: also note the existance of the 4.12 backports from the PPA.
[14:40] <BluesKaj> Walex, ok noted
[14:40] <Walex> pramiti: also note that only very experienced developers would mix non-Kubuntu sources with Kubuntu binary packages.
[14:41] <BluesKaj> this discussion is better off in kubuntu-devel IMO
[14:43] <pramiti> Walex: yes i should use the backports instead.. http://www.noobslab.com/2014/01/install-kde-412-in-ubuntulinux.html
[14:49] <moixe> holaaa
[14:49] <moixe> algun español por aqui?
[14:49] <BluesKaj> !es
[14:58] <pramiti> i am trying this command : sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports and it is giving me following error : Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports'. Please check that the PPA name or format is correct.
[15:11] <guestVjGfe8> hi
[15:12] <guestVjGfe8> koi
[15:21] <pramiti> i am trting to install kde 12.0 backports sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports and i am getting following error : Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports'. Please check that the PPA name or format is correct.
[15:27] <Walex> try without "backports".
[15:28] <pramiti> Walex : same error
[15:37] <JoshStrobl> Hey, anyone know why kUbuntu 14.04 Beta 2 is booting into KDE Plasma Active tablet view for me? I have guest additions installed. Anyone to manually switch out of Active?
[15:45] <JoshStrobl> nvm got it working
[15:49] <Walex> pramiti: strange. Try adding these two lines to '/etc/apt/sources.list': http://paste.ubuntu.com/7203781/
[17:58] <thor_> anybody else get a dbus error after last update?
[18:43] <rohan> are people having problems with desktop effects and KDE on kubuntu 14.04?
[18:43] <rohan> all my desktop effects are broken
[18:43] <rohan> panel transparency is broken
[18:45] <BluesKaj> rohan, if you're using OpenGL and raster in desktop effects, you might have those problems with intel graphics, nvidia seems immune to these problems
[18:46] <rohan> BluesKaj: yep, intel. and effects like cover switch for window switcher is broken
[18:46] <rohan> wifi and networkingmanager also broken for people?
[18:47] <BluesKaj> not with broadcom
[18:48] <rohan> hm.. i think it's more a NM issue than an intel driver issue
[18:49] <BluesKaj> rohan, well my old desktops with nvidia graphics don't have any problems
[18:49] <rohan> ah, scratch that, wifi just started working after a dist-upgrade.
[18:49] <rohan> i have an intel-nvidia hybrid (optimus)
[18:49] <BluesKaj> oh that's different
[18:52] <BluesKaj> also rohan , 14.04 questions are best asked in #ubuntu+1
[18:52] <rohan> BluesKaj: correct, but there is no one around to answer them there :)
[18:52] <rohan> do you know if there is a bug tracking all the intel issues?
[18:54] <BluesKaj> not sure
[18:55] <rohan> thanks, BluesKaj :)
[19:05] <snele> rohan: I don't have optimus system, but i have read that it works in 14.04
[19:05] <snele> rohan: you have to install nvidia-prime package and latest nvidia driver from driver manager
[19:06] <snele> rohan: as for desktop effect you can try with resetting kwin to its defaults
[19:06] <rohan> snele: i have a feeling it's an intel issue that's going around
[19:06] <snele> rm ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc
[19:07] <snele> then kwin --replace
[19:07] <rohan> and nvidia-prime does not do power management does it?
[19:07] <snele> rohan: I don't know. I just read that "optimus works great" in 14.04 ;)
[19:09] <snele> rohan: many people have problems with desktop effects on kubuntuforums: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?65055-KWin-crashes-using-OpenGL-w-kernel-3-13-0-20
[19:09] <snele> with intel drivers
[19:09] <rohan> aha.. thanks snele
[19:09] <snele> workaround is to boot with older kernel
[19:11] <rohan> snele: why, apt-get helpfully autoremoved that kernel for me!
[19:48] <Addle> I had hit this bug with intel, where the window contents were black: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/1283820   Had to disable compositing.
[20:20] <pramiti> I am trying to install backports using sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa and i am getting following error : Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports'. Please check that the PPA name or format is correct.
[20:21] <pramiti> please help
[20:26] <Addle> pramiti: Should it not then be: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports ?
[20:27] <pramiti> Addle: ohh yes i have tried this command only.. same error
[20:28] <Addle> I can definitely say that the PPA line I just gave you is correct. What version of the distro are you on?
[20:29] <pramiti> kubuntu 13.10
[20:29] <pramiti> yes i too think its correct. there is some other problem
[20:30] <pramiti> I have widows 8 and kubuntu 13.10
[20:30] <Addle> Indeed. Very strange.
[20:30] <pramiti> Addle : i tried this solution: http://www.webupd8.org/2014/03/fix-cannot-add-ppa-please-check-that.html
[20:30] <Addle> I assume you can, say, ping www.google.com ?
[20:30] <pramiti> but this doesnt work..
[20:30] <pramiti> Addle: yes net is working properly
[20:33] <Addle> pramiti: Can you 'ping keyserver.ubuntu.com' ?
[20:34] <pramiti> Addle: no
[20:34] <Addle> pramiti: Ahah, that might be the issue...
[20:34] <DLP2> how's it going people?
[20:35] <Addle> The key should be fetched from http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2836CB0A8AC93F7A
[20:35] <Addle> DLP2: Good, you?
[20:35] <DLP2> awesome!
[20:35] <DLP2> lovin' linux
[20:35] <Addle> Excellent XD
[20:35] <pramiti> Addle: i tried wget www.google.com its working but ping google.com is not working
[20:36] <Addle> If you can get that key at the URL I gave and put it in a file, you should be able to add it manually, but if you can't get to the keyserver, that's the real problem to be solved.
[20:36] <pramiti> it shows unknown host while ping. but wget www,google.com shows no problem
[20:37] <pramiti> Addle: I should store the file at ?
[20:38] <pramiti> Addle: i am able to store using wget keyserver.ubuntu.com
[20:38] <pramiti> but it stores the html page
[20:38] <Addle> pramiti: Ok, looking for the command to add it manually. Been a while :)
[20:38] <Addle> pramiti: Yeah, you need to wget http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2836CB0A8AC93F7A
[20:39] <Addle> Ahah
[20:40] <Addle> Let's say you saved the key as key.txt, then do: sudo apt-key add ./key.txt
[20:40] <Addle> key.txt in your current directory, of course, probably your home dir.
[20:41] <Addle> You can then add these lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list:
[20:41] <Addle> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu saucy main
[20:41] <Addle> deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu saucy main
[20:43] <pramiti> Addle: shpuld it be ~/.key.txt ?
[20:43] <Addle> pramiti: I'd suggest ~/key.txt
[20:44] <Addle> pramiti: But either will work. You can just delete the key file when you've done importing it.
[20:45] <pramiti> Addle: it says sudo apt-key add ./key.txt gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
[20:45] <pramiti> i mean when i did sudo command its says no valid OpenPGP found
[20:46] <Addle> If you saved it as ~/key.txt, then also do sudo apt-key add ~/key.txt
[20:46] <Addle> Also take a look in the file and make sure it's a proper key. Should start with the line "-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----"
[20:47] <pramiti> Addle: okk done.. then nest step is to add repositories ?
[20:47] <Addle> pramiti: Yep
[20:47] <pramiti> Addle: someone told me before never to make changes in source.list. should i still do ?
[20:47] <Addle> Just add the two lines I gave into your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Probably at the end.
[20:48] <Addle> Yeah, just don't mess up other lines. And always a good idea to make a backup first.
[20:48] <Addle> You can also probably add it using synaptic or other such package manager, if you want.
[20:50] <Addle> Normally, you don't have to do that, since add-apt-repository does it.
[20:52] <pramiti> Addle: still the same error :(
[20:53] <Addle> Alas, I have company and I have to bail on this one, for now.
[20:53] <Addle> Perhaps someone else will kick in and figure out what the heck is going on with your system. :)
[20:53] <pramiti> Addle: ok :(
[20:55] <pramiti> okk..
[20:55] <pramiti> I am trying to install backports using sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa and i am getting following error : Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports'. Please check that the PPA name or format is correct.
[20:57] <Addle> pramiti: Oh, don't add-apt-repository again. It'll just import the key (which I thought you'd done) and add the lines I gave you to your sources.list. After that, just update the package list and off you go.
[20:58] <pramiti> Addle: what command should i write ? sudo apt-get update ?
[21:00] <Addle> pramiti: Yes
[21:00] <OerHeks> pramiti, show us the output on paste.ubuntu.com
[21:01] <pramiti> OerHeks: output of which command ?
[21:02] <OerHeks> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:10] <pramiti> OerHeks: http://pastebin.com/kj9YUtLd for sudo apt-get update
[22:04] <Guest51773> g'day   all....need help with sound first, startup issues maybe later
[22:06] <Guest51773> anyone alert, or is everyone just parked?
[22:06] <valorie> Guest51773: what problem with sound?
[22:07] <valorie> it helps to state the problem clearly
[22:07] <Guest51773> one of my sound cards (one I normally use) isn't even showing up
[22:07] <Guest51773> sometimes neither show up as listed
[22:07] <valorie> which kubuntu are you running?
[22:07] <Guest51773> latest lts version i believe
[22:07] <valorie> lts, saucy, trusty?
[22:08] <valorie> ah, 12.10 then
[22:08] <Guest51773> yep
[22:08] <valorie> have you any reason to suspect that it is software rather than hardware problems?
[22:09] <Guest51773> installed it around xmastime, and thought I had the video card's sound permanently depreciated,
[22:09] <Guest51773> valorie: not sure, reinstalling phonon didn't work
[22:10] <valorie> I wouldn't imagine that would affect things one way or the other
[22:10] <valorie> might be time to vacuum out the box and check all the connections
[22:10] <Guest51773> valorie: it was working fine this aft, then a youtube video crashed, I had to hardboot, and hasn't worked since
[22:10] <valorie> very suspicious that the cards appear and disappear randomly
[22:11] <valorie> if the cards themselves are fine, I'd look at the cables
[22:11] <valorie> once you verify that your hardware is good, then you can start software troubleshooting
[22:11] <valorie> !sound
[22:11] <Guest51773> valorie: I do think the cards are fine, yes
[22:12] <valorie> I've seen connectors be the problem more often
[22:12] <valorie> connectors/cables
[22:12] <Guest51773> or rather, the on-mobo sound is fine, I don't want to use the on-video-card sound that does show up the most often
[22:13] <valorie> right
[22:13] <Guest51773> it is the mobo-sound that the speakers are connected to, after all
[22:15] <valorie> you will probably find `alsamixer` and `pavucontrol` useful
[22:15] <valorie> both of which you'll have to install
[22:15] <valorie> alsamixer works in the konsole, using arrow keys and such
[22:16] <valorie> pavucontrol works on pulseaudio, which is where sound is controlled
[22:18] <Guest51773> ,k, I just did the pacmd-->list-sinks, and only the ati-cedar card is showing up -- not the mobo-via driver I want
[22:19] <Guest51773> I've used alsamixer before, not the pavulcontrol...never tried the pacmd until now
[22:19] <valorie> like I said, opening up your box can save you a lot of software troubleshooting time, Guest51773
[22:20] <valorie> and if everything looks good, you only have scratches on your hands
[22:20] <Guest51773> valorie: I know, as I built this box myself, but since there are no internal cables anyway, there's not much point in that
[22:20] <valorie> ok
[22:21] <valorie> anyway, the writers of the pages linked to you above know way more than I do
[22:21] <valorie> although I've worked through them before and found them helpful in restoring sound
[22:22] <Guest51773> yeah, I've used them before myself for years, but they're not helping me much now, beyond what I already know
[22:23] <Guest51773> e.g. aplay -l is listing only the ati-cedar device, which I already knew...the via sound isn't showing up
[22:23] <valorie> perhaps #solid can help more, since it seems to be a problem with detecting devices available
[22:24] <valorie> (kde channel)
[22:24] <Guest51773> thx, i'd never heard of that channel
[22:24] <valorie> good luck!
[22:24] <Guest51773> thank you for trying
[22:25] <valorie> nothing worse than crappy sound
[22:25] <valorie> my sympathy
[22:25] <Guest51773> or none at all, heheh