[15:55] <jibel> mvo, on alderamin (lts upgrades), the upgrade-tester now uses the code from https://launchpad.net/auto-upgrade-testing and update-manager is in a separate directory, pulled from bzr
[15:55] <jibel> mvo, I'll update the other servers tomorrow
[16:35] <mvo> jibel: great, so I guess its time to delete code from update-manager
[16:35] <mvo> jibel: is the branch that is used configurable
[16:35] <mvo> ?
[16:36] <jibel> mvo, configurable ?
[16:38] <jibel> mvo, you can change the link AutoUpgradeTester/AutoUpgradeTest/DistUpgrade to the version of update -manager you want if that's what you mean by configurable.
[16:38] <mvo> jibel: aha, so that is how its done, ok
[16:39] <mvo> jibel: I was wondering it would make sense to have a "UseBzrBranch: lp:update-manager" in the config
[16:39] <mvo> jibel: and then on upgrade it would use bzr to pull that in, but maybe that is overkill for now
[16:40] <jibel> mvo, oh yes, that's be better. filing a bug :)
[16:42]  * mvo hugs jibel
[16:42] <jibel> bug 956175
[16:42]  * jibel hugs mvo :)
[16:50] <gema> cyphermox: I am installing precise from today's iso and the network indicator won't show the existing networks until I go to the system Settings and configure the wireless manually
[16:50] <gema> cyphermox: using desktop amd64
[16:50] <gema> cyphermox: this happens on the live session, I haven't installed just yet
[16:51] <gema> cyphermox: off to a meeting now, I will raise a bug afterwards if it haven't been reported yet
[16:51] <cyphermox> gema, wait a little, close the menu and open it again, etc. hallyn has reported something similar earlier
[16:51] <gema> cyphermox: I did wait, I tried to connect, but it wasn't there
[16:51] <cyphermox> let's make sure it does in fact show up after time, I suspect that's something outside nm-applet completely
[16:51] <gema> until I found the network manually
[16:51] <gema> cyphermox: ok, I will try later to boot again and wait and see
[16:52] <gema> if it eventually appears
[16:52] <gema> cyphermox: how long it is a reasonable time for it to appear?
[16:53] <cyphermox> I don't know, but I also don't know why it would take time to appear
[16:53] <gema> cyphermox: you suggested to wait , you tell me :D
[16:53] <cyphermox> otherwise, file a bug and I'll see if that can be matched to a specific driver being broken
[16:53] <gema> cyphermox: ack
[16:54] <cyphermox> 5 minutes top, is the time between background scans
[16:54] <gema> cyphermox: ok
[16:56] <cyphermox> above all, if something is missing from the applet, I'll need a screenshot of it to see exactly what is missing, and the usual apport information
[16:56] <gema> cyphermox: ack, will take a screenshot
[16:57] <gema> it may take me an hour and a half to get there, I have a meeting now
[18:22] <cyphermox> Gema: I think we properly identified what is broken, just need to fix it right.  If you could file a bug for what you're seeing it would be very helpful
[18:24] <cyphermox> There's a bug in wifi event code that seems to be surfacing now,  but it's not something new in the last nm upload
[18:50] <gema> cyphermox: will do
[18:51] <cyphermox> Thx
[19:09] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all!
[19:28] <gema> cyphermox: which package do you want me to run ubuntu-bug with?
[19:31] <cyphermox> network-manager
[19:32] <cyphermox> let's just be extra safe, in case the observed behavior in your case is something different
[19:33] <cyphermox> gema: you might be interested to know I've been ordering 4-5 new devices for testing 3G.
[19:33] <gema> cyphermox: ack
[19:33] <cyphermox> and a cool little gizmo to allow plugging in (supported) devices via USB when they're PCIe (but USB); so one doesn't need to disassemble a computer.
[19:34] <gema> cyphermox: this time the list of networks came up right
[19:34] <gema> cyphermox: I may need some extra time to reproduce
[19:34] <cyphermox> aye. it's a little random
[19:34] <cyphermox> well, we'll wait, I'll report a bug on my end
[19:40] <gema> ok
[19:40] <cyphermox> gema: bug 956349
[19:41] <cyphermox> hopefully we're seeing the same issue


[02:29] <dharma> can any one help me with capture the flag
[02:29] <DarinMiller> Unreal tournment?
[02:30] <dharma> didnt get you
[02:30] <Beau4K> Shall we play a game?
[02:30] <Beau4K> How about Texas Holdem
[02:31] <dharma> what
[02:32] <Beau4K> http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/artificial-intelligence/ai-learns-from-mistakes-to-defeat-human-poker-players
[02:32] <Beau4K> suit them right the sinners
[02:33] <Beau4K> sinners soon will have no place to escape with their sins
[02:34] <Beau4K> the AI will beat them up at every sin
[02:34] <Beau4K> praise the Lord of AI
 Hello, i just installed Kubuntu in my computer and i'm having some issues with the discover apllication
 i can't search, i mean, it gives me no return of any apllication and i'm not sure the updates were really installed
[06:28] <Fritigern> Does anyone know if the global menus in Plasma 5.9 can be turned on and off? Because I don;t think I am going to like the global menus (though I will give it a try)
[07:29] <lauritzt[m]> Fritigern: I'm pretty sure they're optional.
[07:30] <Fritigern> But yoyu are not 100% certain then?
[07:31] <valorie> Fritigern: ask in #plasma in a few hours
[07:31] <valorie> the devels will know
[07:32] <valorie> not many of us have 5.9 yet
[07:32] <valorie> I don't, even in zesty
[07:32] <Fritigern> Wowsers
[07:32] <Fritigern> I actually expected you to have it
[07:32] <valorie> even Neon doesn't have it yet
[07:33] <valorie> it's in KCI
[07:33] <valorie> but the release was just today
[07:33] <valorie> takes some time to download the tars, package, and build the packages to test
[07:33] <Fritigern> I know, i read the announcement and watched the vid ;)
[07:34] <valorie> :-)
[07:34] <Fritigern> There was something else that I wasn't exactly looking forward to, but I can;t remember what it was
[07:41] <jimtendo-X540S> Hi guys, anyone know if Kgpg or Kleopatra are still being maintained? Looking to install one or the other, but would prefer the one that is more actively maintained.
[12:07] <nickJohn> ping
[12:09] <makaan> hi guys
[12:11] <makaan> i was trying to post a wallpaper to 4chan and it says that has an embedded file. how can i see this file?
[12:20] <BluesKaj> Ht folks
[13:08] <Dr_Coke> Someone said Kubuntu ran out of budget
[13:09] <Dr_Coke> is that right?
[13:09] <Dr_Coke> And that kubuntu is about to end
[13:13] <Dragnslcr> [Citation needed]
[13:15] <BluesKaj> Dragnslcr, don't listen to the ntz guy , he just spews whatever come into his twisted head , he's already been warned about trolling
[13:16] <BluesKaj> oops Dr_Coke ^
[13:16] <BluesKaj> sorry Dragnslcr , wrong nick
[13:16] <Dragnslcr> Aww, but countertrolling can be so much fun
[13:17] <BluesKaj> hehe yeah
[13:17] <Dr_Coke> lol thanks BluesKaj
[13:17] <Dr_Coke> I thought he was full of crap but I wanted to check
[13:17] <BluesKaj> he is
[13:18] <Dr_Coke> lol
[13:19] <acheronuk> who? what? where?
[13:19] <BluesKaj> acheronuk, in ##linux
[13:22] <acheronuk> ic
[13:26] <BluesKaj> acheronuk, quote " kubuntu will thankfully end .... they've ran out of the budget ... it's all over, matter of days (perhaps weeks), God bless .... now please God gimme some disaster that affects rest of the .deb world so everything deb will be forgotten"
[13:26] <Dr_Coke> BluesKaj check kubuntu-deve;
[13:26] <Dr_Coke> BluesKaj check kubuntu-devel
[13:27] <BluesKaj> I'm always there
[13:28] <lordievader> BluesKaj: Is that the same acheronuk? Seeing as the one from #kubuntu-devel is not in ##linux.
[13:28] <lordievader> According to 'whois', that is.
[13:30] <BluesKaj> lordievader, no I'm yalking about a guy in ##linux named ntz who's spouting the above quoite
[13:30] <BluesKaj> talking
[13:31] <lordievader> Ah, guess I got nicks mixed up.
[13:31] <lordievader> Already thought it strange... acheronuk saying those things.
[13:32] <acheronuk> Dr_Coke: the ntz gut is talking utter drivel
[13:33] <acheronuk> I guess 'nutz' was taken when he logged on
[13:34] <Dr_Coke> lol
[13:34] <BluesKaj> it's an apt nick  :-)
[15:15] <Mrokii> Hello. Where in KDE can I see a graphical representation of my keyboard-layout? I see the indicator, but it doesn't seem to have an option to show the actual layout.
[16:28] <al8989> hello i just installed kubuntu 16.04 and I am trying to install drivers for my rtl8187b based usb wireless adapter but forget how i did it in ubuntu 14.04 a few years ago does anyone have instructions?  I am trying to do this without connecting the computer to wired internet.
[16:28] <al8989> I did it before, but I forgot how i did it.
[16:32] <BluesKaj> you must have upgraded via the internet , otherwise, if you used a dvd or usb image, ubiquity would have installed wifi driver at the start of your install
[16:47] <BluesKaj> al8989, you'll need an ethernet connection to upgrade the drivers for some of your hardware
[16:54] <al8989> blueskaj: i used a dvd and did a clean install of kubuntu 16.4
[16:56] <BluesKaj> al8989, is this a  laptop or a desktop pc with wifi?
[16:56] <al8989> desktop with usb wifi dongle
[16:56] <al8989> i did it before on ubuntu 14.04 but forgot how
[16:57] <BluesKaj> best to use an ethernet connection , wifi dongles are reliable during installs IME
[16:58] <BluesKaj> are not reliable
[17:01] <wickedworld> my software center dosnt show any thing what can i do to fix this?
[17:02] <al8989> ah ok wqell its installed i just need wifi to browse the internet
[17:05] <BluesKaj> wickedworld, fix what?
[17:06] <wickedworld> my software center i can not access any thing in software center
[17:10] <BluesKaj> wickedworld, have you tried sudo apt install "package" in the terminal?
[17:12] <al8989> ah i figured out my problem, my chipset isn't support out of the box and need a special driver which i have found
[18:55] <shahrukh> Hi All !!.. I upgraded plasma through backport PPA from 5.5.5 to 5.8.5. Now, i want to downgrade back to 5.5.5. Can anyone please guide me?
[19:54]  * genii slides nauticalnexus a soda
[19:54] <nauticalnexus> :o
[19:55] <nauticalnexus> genii, are you just everywhere ubuntu related? :P
[19:56] <genii> nauticalnexus: Quite a lot of them
[20:00] <genii> nauticalnexus: *buntu channels I'm always in: #kubuntu #kubuntu-devel #kubuntu-offtopic #lubuntu #lubuntu-offtopic #snappy #ubuntu #ubuntu+1 #ubuntu-arm #ubuntu-ca #ubuntu-irc #ubuntu-locoteams #ubuntu-meeting #ubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu-server #ubuntu-touch #ubuntu-unregged #xubuntu #xubuntu-devel #xubuntu-offtopic
[20:00] <nauticalnexus> ther'es a #k-ot?
[20:00] <genii> Indeed
[21:08] <warmachine> salut tlm
[22:48] <sgrontt> Hello. I'm having a weird problem with DNS. The PF box is not replying to any DNS queries.... How can I troubleshoot this?
[23:41] <superbroseph> ello


[04:13] <riddler> I remember someone was asking they installed LibreOffice but when they open the program it looks like windows 98'ish, I found a way to integrate it to lubuntu so it has the skin.
[04:14] <riddler> just install the libreoffice-gtk  plugin on synaptic package manager.
[04:38] <Landon> I've had a problem with my Lubuntu install for the past two releases (or more, not sure, but it's been happening since I first installed lubuntu)
[04:38] <Landon> has anyone else here experienced fonts being broken in lxterm?
[04:39] <Landon> lxterminal*
[04:40] <jmarsden> Landon: "broken" is unclear and perhaps subjective... what do you do to lxterminal, and what happens that you are calling "broken" ?
[04:40] <Landon> in the process of taking a screenshot
[04:40] <jmarsden> I can change fonts and font sizes without any obvious issues here...
[04:40] <Landon> basically, bits of the letter/number are missing
[04:41] <jmarsden> I've not seen that, but it could depend on which font and which size you are selecting?
[04:42] <jmarsden> Does it happen to you for all fonts in all sizes?
[04:43] <Landon> (is there no screenshot type utility with lubuntu?)
[04:43] <Landon> let me try switching though
[04:44] <Landon> I was using Bitstream Vera Sans Roman at size 10
[04:44] <phillw> bug 623052
[04:44] <jmarsden> Just specify exactly the steps to reproduce the issue.  You install Lubuntu 11.04.  You log in, you click start -> accessories -> LXterminal.  Then you switch to... OK... I'll try that font...
[04:44] <Landon> switched to Bitstream Vera Serif Roman, but now there's a new set of problems with some letters appearing far apart and some overlapping
[04:44] <phillw> bug 615236
[04:44]  * phillw grrr.....
[04:45] <jmarsden> phillw: Are you typing random bug numbers? :)
[04:45] <phillw> jmarsden: nope, just not lp ones! http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-lxde-maintainers/2011-April/000594.html
[04:46] <Landon> whoops, I mean Bitstream Vera Sans Mono Roman had the missing parts of letters
[04:46] <Landon> the other Bitstream Vera fonts have the spacing/overlap issues though
[04:46] <Unit193> phillw: Like this debian bug 615236
[04:47] <phillw> Unit193: possibly, but there is also a true-type font bug kicking about
[04:47] <phillw> whichj I think has been patched for oneric, but not older (exisiting) variants.
[04:47] <Unit193> phillw: Just giving you the syntax for non-launchpad bugs
[04:49] <jmarsden> Landon: Those fonts do not seem to be in Lubuntu by default.  So your steps to reproduce are missing "install such-and-such" which is a font package that contains them??
[04:50] <Landon> like I said, this has existed on this laptop since 10.10 or 10.04, so I'm not sure what all I've installed
[04:51] <jmarsden> Landon: If you switch to something more standard like Monosapce 10  does everything look acceptable?
[04:51] <Landon> no, same problem
[04:51] <jmarsden> Landon: and again, when reporting bugs it *really* helps to provide a full set of steps to reproduce the issue...
[04:53] <jmarsden> Landon: OK.  It's not something that happens to all Lubuntu installations; so either it relates to your video hardware/drivers or to your specific configuration on your machine, I would guess.
[04:53] <jmarsden> If phillw finds the relevant Truetype bug that might help out, too...
[04:57] <jmarsden> Landon: Do you get this effect if you boot the laptop from an Lubuntu LiveCD and test on that (very basic, standard) Lubuntu ?
[04:58] <Landon> no idea, I won't be able to test that though
[04:58] <jmarsden> You don't have an optical drive??
[04:58] <Landon> not in this town :)
[04:58] <jmarsden> Can you create a live bootable USB stick and boot from that?
[04:59] <Landon> not unless lubuntu fits in 64mb
[05:01] <jmarsden> OK.  Well, you have something to try next time you have access to a bootable CD or an empty 1GB or bigger USB stick :)
[05:01] <Landon> found an older screenshot of it, if you're interested in what the problem looks like
[05:01] <jmarsden> Landon: If you create a new user say landon2 and log in as that new user, do you still get the issue?
[05:02] <Landon> http://imgur.com/mUYEZ
[05:02] <jmarsden> That user would have a nice fresh default configuration...
[05:02] <Landon> ok, let me try that
[05:04] <jmarsden> Your screenshot shows transparency and stuff... that's not a standard Lubuntu configuration as far as I know :)
[05:05] <Landon> yeah, that would have been me playing with unity(?) on the same laptop
[05:06] <Landon> monospace 10 works on a fresh user
[05:06] <jmarsden> Then you misconfigured lxterminal for your real user... are you willing to wipe its config and start over (just lxterminal config, not any other programs)?
[05:06] <Landon> same with bitstream vera sans mono 10
[05:06] <Landon> completely
[05:08] <Landon> ~/.config/lxterminal/ is what I'm looking for?
[05:08] <jmarsden> OK, try rm ~/.config/lxterminal/lxterminal.conf
[05:08] <jmarsden> and then exit and re-run lxterminal
[05:10] <Landon> well, that worked, but what was the logic behind it?
[05:10] <Landon> the only font related part of that config is the name, right?
[05:10] <jmarsden> You had wrecked your lxterminal config, so kiling it forced lxterminal to regenerate a clean one... that was my logic :)
[05:13] <Landon> awesome, it works, that was the kind of fix I came here looking for
[05:13] <Landon> thanks
[05:13] <jmarsden> You're welcome :)
[05:42] <philipballew> is there a pre-made iso for ppc?
[05:43] <jmarsden> Of Lubuntu?  Not yet, as far as I know.
[05:43] <Unit193> Might be able to install lubuntu-core
[05:44] <philipballew> i see this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1798792 but if there is a say community made one I would just use that
[05:44] <jmarsden> There's still not even an Alternate i386 ISO for 11.10 Alpha3, which is higher priority than ppc...
[05:44] <bioterror> mac users can use their precious OS X ;)
[05:45] <philipballew> but I got the laptop for free... osx is kinds lame
[05:45] <jmarsden> philipballew: If there is one, it hasn't yet found its way into phillw's collection of Lubuntu ISOs at http://phillw.net/ISOs/
[05:46] <philipballew> if i made a instlation on a ppc laptop I could make an iso pretty easily I think
[05:46] <bioterror> install Debian PPC and some lxde packages
[05:46] <jmarsden> Go for it.  I know someone locally who would be interested in an Lubuntu PPC ISO if one showed up...
[05:47] <bioterror> and get the theme stuff from lubuntu site ;)
[05:47] <philipballew> if phillw needed it I could play around with it
[05:47] <philipballew> maybe get something together
[05:48] <philipballew> get a coupple bug testers to test the iso
[05:48] <Unit193> I have an old G3 that I think I could do a little testing on
[05:48] <philipballew> how hard is it to make an iso
[05:48] <bioterror> Unit193, it's old world mac?
[05:49]  * philipballew likes a challenge\
[05:49] <philipballew> its an ibook
[05:49] <Unit193> bioterror: Not from what I understand
[05:49] <bioterror> Unit193, new world mac = iMac, or PowerMac G3 with the yosemite form factor and newer
[05:49] <bioterror> old world macs are those grey boxes
[05:50] <Unit193> bioterror: Blue and clear white
[05:50] <bioterror> so that's a new world then
[05:50] <bioterror> you dont have to use Mac OS as a boot loader for linux :D
[05:50] <Unit193> Yep, from what I understand
[05:50] <Unit193> yaboot
[05:51] <philipballew> yaboot is what they use
[05:51] <philipballew> ! yaboot
[05:52] <philipballew> nothing...
[05:52] <jmarsden> !yaboot
[05:52] <Unit193> !info yaboot
[05:52] <bioterror> !ppc
[05:53] <Unit193> PPC only and ubot5 doesn't have those repos
[05:53] <jmarsden> philipballew: dpkg knows about it, ubot5 does not:
[05:53] <jmarsden> <dpkg> yaboot is the primary bootloader for New World Apple Macintosh, IBM RS/6000, IBM pSeries and IBM OpenPower machines.  ybin (YaBoot INstaller) installs yaboot on to New World Power Macs (it's akin to /sbin/quik or /sbin/lilo).  ybin can also create dual boot menus for GNU/Linux and Mac OS (X).  HOWTO at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/yaboot-howto.html .  http://yaboot.ozlabs.org/  Not for Old Worlds, ask me about <quik>.
[05:54] <jmarsden> phillw claims I have the power to add new databases to DragonEyes on #lubuntu-offtopic, but I have not tried it yet... would be fun to add the ubot and dpkg factoid data to DragonEyes :)
[05:55] <philipballew> add a bio of yourself to the bot in case someone asks you anything it will say crazy things you do (possibly fictional)
[05:56] <philipballew> jmarsden, asside from an avid linux guru, also .....(insert crazy things that are not true)
[05:56] <philipballew> some channels do that\
[05:58]  * jmarsden thinks he is quite crazy enough without needing to add fictional stuff :)
[05:59]  * philipballew applauds jmarsden personal life accomplishments
[10:07] <apanda_> is there a way to change the defaultbrowser to midori in a central place? (eg for urls in lxterminal)
[11:29] <bioterror> hmmm
[11:30] <bioterror> lubuntu 11.10 alpha 3 farts blood with Intel PRO/Wireless 4965
[12:22] <philipballew> what connection manager does lubuntu use.
[12:23] <philipballew> network manager or wicd?
[12:23] <bioterror> nm-applet
[12:24] <philipballew> alright. so sudo aptitude install nm-applet will install it
[12:25]  * philipballew is setting up a minimal system and building lxde on top
[12:25] <bioterror> if you're not going to use vpn's or mobile phones as modem, go with the wicd
[12:29] <philipballew> alright. ill try it
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> hey guys
[14:27] <KM0201> o/
[14:27] <ActionParsnip> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8850924/bluetooth.png
[14:27] <ActionParsnip> anyone getting that when running bluetooth-applet ?
[14:27]  * KM0201 looking
[14:28] <KM0201> hmm, i don't do bluetooth
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> happens in all themes too
[14:28] <ActionParsnip> oneiric
[14:28] <KM0201> yeah, my first thought would be a problem with the theme.. but.. if it's on all of them.
[14:30] <ActionParsnip> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/742398
[14:34] <KM0201> hmm
[14:34] <KM0201> well, i guess that answers tha tquestion.. :)
[14:35] <KM0201> ActionParsnip: did you see #10, that apparently "fixes" the problem?
[14:35] <ActionParsnip> yeah saw that but I'm using english
[14:35] <ActionParsnip> seems weird
[14:36] <KM0201> oh ok
[14:37] <ActionParsnip> I'll just log a bug, it's not earthshattering
[14:37] <KM0201> yeah.
[14:38] <KM0201> "dogs and cats sleeping together.. mass hysteria!"
[14:38] <ActionParsnip> did y'all get this too: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/jbkafmnknpfncneoiphgjeoccaibacmp?hc=search&hcp=main
[14:38] <ActionParsnip> makes Chrome integrate better with the blueness in Lubuntu
[14:39] <KM0201> hmm,
[14:39] <KM0201> hadn't tried that
[14:39] <KM0201> not bad
[14:40] <KM0201> i'm not usually much of a 'themer' though
[14:41] <ActionParsnip> Just thought I'd snoop around. Had some spare time
[14:41] <KM0201> yeah
[14:41] <KM0201> i haven't tried 11.10 yet
[14:41] <KM0201> how's it coming along?
[14:42] <KM0201> been so busy w/ NAS problems
[14:43] <ActionParsnip> Seems fine here but my hardware is super linux friendly :)
[14:43] <ActionParsnip> had the old slow mouse issue in the Alpha 2 which has gone so all is good
[14:45] <KM0201> hmm, good
[14:45] <KM0201> and yeah, my hardware is all linux friendly as well.
[14:45] <KM0201> i was a bit concerned buying a enw laptop a few weeks ago, but.. i did some research, and came away perfect.. everything "just works"
[14:46] <KM0201> webcam, sound, mic, 3D, etc.  can't complain really
[15:05] <KM0201> is there a way to substitute thunar, for PCMan?
[15:06] <KM0201> i know w/ gnome, its pretty easy.. just not sure how to do it w/ lxde
[17:58] <phillw> jmarsden: DE is still poorly, my fix of the database did not work :(
[22:57] <KM0201> o/
[23:42] <silverarrow> anyone who knows about grub errors?
[23:43] <KM0201> grub is such a pita.. what is the error?
[23:43] <silverarrow> I have reinstalled lubuntu, seemingly successfully
[23:44] <silverarrow> I don't dare to the first update, because I have had repeated troubles with grub after
[23:44] <phillw> silverarrow: what problem with grup are you having?
[23:45] <phillw> *grub*
[23:46] <silverarrow> one of the messages I get is something about "line supported" something, or the hard drive is not detected properly
[23:46] <silverarrow> lubuntu will work fine as long as I don't do any updates
[23:46] <silverarrow> a bit weird
[23:47] <silverarrow> I spent a lot of time on this yesterday, and made a new atempt at it now
[23:48] <phillw> silverarrow: what version of lubuntu & what version of grub are you running?
[23:48] <silverarrow> maybe it's the hard drive, but I can't detect anything wrong
[23:49] <silverarrow> lubuntu 11.04, and everything default
[23:49] <silverarrow> from the  CD, no updates yet
[23:49] <silverarrow> though it downloaded packages during install
[23:51] <phillw> tat may be a bug in the installer for 11.04, please try it with updates during install turned off. that way I can follow it better on a VM
[23:51] <phillw> *that*
[23:52] <silverarrow> thanks, I will try that, but darn many installations by now
[23:53] <silverarrow> so there's nothing I can do now?
[23:53] <phillw> silverarrow: we need to narrow down where the issue is. If you get a 'clean' 11.04 running we have a starting point.
[23:53] <silverarrow> ok, I will do it all over right now
[23:54] <phillw> silverarrow: indeed there is, we can force the system to re-install grub
[23:54] <silverarrow> though it takes forever, maybe tomorrow then
[23:55] <silverarrow> grub is pretty safe, the new version?
[23:55] <phillw> silverarrow: head over to http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5 and pay attention to "good grub becomes bad grub"
[23:55] <phillw> silverarrow: grub is pretty good at recovering :)
[23:56] <silverarrow> It seems I have grub 2
[23:57] <phillw> silverarrow: those are my notes... you will deffo have grub2 with 11.04
[23:58] <phillw> follow through the track from there to the relevant parts of DRS305's tutorial