[08:34] <trappist> mlalkaka: you know, I never thought of that.  that could work.
[08:34] <bob2> select, middle click
[08:34] <Amaranth> x0rrrrrrrrrz: Ctrl-Shift-V
[08:34] <bob2> just like all other traditional X apps
[08:34] <x0rrrrrrrrrz> nobody    7802     1  0 Nov17 ?        00:00:00 proftpd: (accepting connections)mike     14176 14019  0 00:33 pts/0    00:00:00 grep proftp
[08:34] <rabeldable> x0rrrz: thats the stand alone configuration
[08:35] <DShepherd> where do I go to set the default app to lauch when my a music cd is inserted?
[08:35] <rabeldable> x0rrrz: you have a /etc/proftpd.conf file
[08:35] <mlalkaka> trappist, i was browsing the diablo II application DB on winehq.org (because diablo 2 also has a 2-3 cd installation) and a person in the forum used this method so i'll try it
[08:35] <nomad111> ok i need some srs help i got a problem with my ubuntu a serious one i think
[08:35] <x0rrrrrrrrrz> k
[08:35] <x0rrrrrrrrrz> open it?
[08:35] <nomad111> and i need to dump sumthing in here
[08:35] <rabeldable> wait
[08:35] <trappist> mlalkaka: awesome.  let me know how it goes.
[08:35] <intelikey> x0rrrrrrrrrz doesn't the mouse work ?      highlight  point where you want it and middle click(both click for only two button)
[08:35] <trappist> nomad111: no, not in here.  see /topic
[08:36] <rabeldable> x0rrrz: when you say you want users to connect over the network... do you want them to have unique usernames or do you want them to login anonymously
[08:36] <blanky> hey guys, do you know of any 'command line only' live distros that have G++ and emacs instlaled?
[08:36] <x0rrrrrrrrrz> unique usernames
[08:36] <x0rrrrrrrrrz> rabeldable and i want to be able to add people outside of the network aswell
[08:36] <x0rrrrrrrrrz> with unique usernames...
[08:36] <nomad111> trappist, how can i show the problem
[08:36] <nomad111> trappist, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl?
[08:36] <bob2> bah
[08:36] <trappist> nomad111: yes, like that
[08:36] <bob2> ftp daemons should require you to answer a short quiz before they let you install them
[08:37] <mbs> so, we're stupid ... we're trying to set up ubuntu on an adaptec raid card ... any ideas on how the drives should be configured?
[08:37] <trappist> bob2: operating systems too
[08:37] <mbs> should it be done before or after the os install?
[08:37] <DShepherd> where do I go to set the default app to lauch when my a music cd is inserted?
[08:37] <DShepherd> launch*
[08:37] <mbs> (it shows all 3 drives at the section about formatting, just pick the first or should we have the clustered together already?)
[08:37] <bob2> mbs: if it's a real raid card, ubuntu doesn't know or care about the arry
[08:37] <trappist> DShepherd: you don't.  linux doesn't poll for that.  but there are daemons out there that will do it for you.
[08:37] <Amaranth> DShepherd: It's in System->Preferences
[08:37] <Terminus> blanky, i'm not sure but i really love SLAX. best part is, if you don't like the defaults, you can always remaster it. :)
[08:37] <trappist> oh, was I wrong?
[08:37] <intelikey> distros should start the install with 'man man '   and only go on if you read it.......  :)
[08:38] <bob2> mbs: if it's new, you need to set it up in advance, yes
[08:38] <mbs> bob2, so it should show just one logical device by the time ubuntu gets to it?
[08:38] <kelbizzle> Any one know how to add ad cd burner?
[08:38] <Amaranth> trappist: hal + gnome-volume-manager
[08:38] <bob2> mbs: yes
[08:38] <DShepherd> trappist: ok thanks
[08:38] <trappist> Amaranth: sweet.
[08:38] <rabeldable> x0rrrz: you can do it two ways... add the users to your system and when they login they will go to their home directory - or - you can create proftpd style directory tree with a custom password file just for proftpd, then the users can't access the system they can only access ftp
[08:38] <dducko> kelbizzle, Like how?  The software, or an actuall cd burner?
[08:38] <trappist> DShepherd: don't listen to me.  I was apparently misinformed.
[08:38] <bob2> mbs: assuming you're producing a single raid-5 or whatever volume out of the bunch of disks (which is the most common option I'd think)
[08:38] <mbs> bob2, gotcha, we're in the scsi select utility ... is that what we need to use normally or is there an aditional util people (adaptec) normally provide to do setup?
[08:38] <kelbizzle> the actual burner
[08:38] <DShepherd> trappist: ok...who am I supposed to listen to
[08:38] <mbs> bob2, yes
[08:38] <trappist> DShepherd: Amaranth
[08:38] <bob2> mbs: dunno, never used one :)
[08:39] <nomad111> trappist, i pasted it can u plz hav a look i would really appreciate it
[08:39] <x0rrrz> 2nd option plz rabeldable
[08:39] <trappist> DShepherd: 01:37 <Amaranth> DShepherd: It's in System->Preferences
[08:39] <dducko> Into the system,.  or is it already installed into the computer kelbizzle
[08:39] <mbs> bob2, thanks :) gonna go grep the adaptec site ... at least we now know what to do
[08:39] <DShepherd> Amaranth, trappist: checking now
[08:39] <trappist> nomad111: before I do can you summarize the problem for all of us?
[08:39] <kelbizzle> I Want to install it
[08:39] <ThomasM> DaBass: Get it all figured out?
[08:39] <Amaranth> DShepherd: prefered apps or something
[08:39] <trappist> nomad111: and while you're at it, provide a link to it? :)
[08:39] <nomad111> well i think im missing some vital files like for cups and all that
[08:39] <DaBass> nope
[08:40] <dducko> You have a Space for it already or replacing a drive? kelbizzle
[08:40] <DaBass> u said youll give me a link
[08:40] <nomad111> something must hav happend when i was installing ubuntu
[08:40] <kelbizzle> i have space
[08:40] <nomad111> trappist, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4774
[08:40] <ThomasM> DaBass: And I explained what you needed and asked you for more information. If you don't respond for 5 minutes, I assume you have nothing more to add. :)
[08:40] <DShepherd> Amaranth: it only covers 3 sections.. web browser, gnome-terminal and mail reader.. no music cd there
[08:40] <DaBass> THomasM ?
[08:40] <trappist> nomad111: if you're missing system files, sudo apt-get install apt-file && sudo apt-file update.  then if you're missing a file, apt-file search <file> to see what package needs to be (re)installed
[08:40] <dducko> kelbizzle,  /join #dzdsytems
[08:41] <ThomasM> DaBass: Read your scroll or something. I'm not here to parrot at you and repeat myself until you notice.
[08:41] <DShepherd> Amaranth: ah...checking removable drives..
[08:41] <DaBass> ThomasM I did not get anything
[08:41] <nomad111> trappist, thats thing i dunno wat files need to be installed
[08:41] <ThomasM> DaBass: I'll be helpful, but I won't hold your hand.
[08:41] <GTroy> guys is there a installed ftp app?
[08:41] <trappist> nomad111: oh, I see, it never got completely installed.  unfortunately the output you pasted isn't enough for me to know why.  it basically just says it failed.
[08:41] <DaBass> ThomasM where did you explain?
[08:42] <x0rrrz> gFTP i think comes installed
[08:42] <ThomasM> GTroy: 'ftp' should work on any system. I prefer 'lftp' to just about anything.
[08:42] <nomad111> trappist, so basically i need a new copy of ubuntu
[08:42] <nomad111> trappist, coz im pretty sure the copy i ahd was corrupt
[08:42] <GTroy> thanks
[08:42] <DaBass> ThomasM could this be a probel: "Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems,"
[08:42] <nomad111> i need to get yum
[08:43] <nomad111> i dunno how to use sudo or watever
[08:43] <ThomasM> DaBass: I don't send private messages without asking, as I consider it rude. You asked a question in the channel. I respond in the channel.
[08:43] <x0rrrz> rabeldable can you help me set it up so they can only get to the directory tree without getting on the system?
[08:43] <x0rrrz> access to the system*
[08:43] <rabeldable> x0rrrz: I can give you the informatio you need to do it yourself will that work?
[08:43] <trappist> DaBass: keep relevant discussions on the channel so everyone can benefit.
[08:44] <x0rrrz> yes
[08:44] <x0rrrz> thank you rabeldable
[08:44] <rabeldable> x0rrrz: k give me another minute
[08:44] <BigKahuna> join #opensuse
[08:44] <x0rrrz> ok
[08:44] <oNe^somewhere> trappist .. i have the nvclock installed but dont know how to run it
[08:44] <x0rrrz> I appreciate this
[08:44] <trappist> oNe^somewhere: neither do I
[08:44] <Amaranth> BigKahuna: That looks like spam...
[08:44] <DaBass> trappist that's what i intendet
[08:44] <trappist> oNe^somewhere: I assume you'd run 'nvclock'
[08:44] <BigKahuna> looks like a typo to me.
[08:44] <oNe^somewhere> in a terminal ?
[08:45] <trappist> oNe^somewhere: yes... just a guess
[08:45] <DaBass> ThomasM u said u'd give me a link and i was waiting
[08:45] <Amaranth> BigKahuna: Ah, I thought you were telling people to join. :)
[08:45] <ThomasM> DaBass: Please just read through your scrollback, or search it (which any useful client should support). When you answer the questions I asked you in response, we'll continue.
[08:45] <toblerp> i run ubuntu breezy on my laptop and i'm trying to play dvds (libdvdcss2 is installed) but totem, mplayer and xine need the power of the whole cpu and there is a lot of framedrop. what can i do that i can watch movies?
[08:46] <matsavhalev> can anyone help? I get the error smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts. What do i do?
[08:46] <ThomasM> toblerp: Are you using a video driver specific to your device or a generic one?
[08:46] <trappist> matsavhalev: sudo smbmount <args>
[08:46] <toblerp> i'm using the ati generic one, not fglrx
[08:47] <matsavhalev> trappist: can i change it to not be only for root?
[08:47] <toblerp> i got the same results with fglrx, though
[08:47] <trappist> toblerp: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdX where hdX is your dvd
[08:47] <toblerp> dma was deactivated??
[08:47] <trappist> toblerp: most likely
[08:48] <toblerp> lol
[08:48] <toblerp> works perfectly
[08:48] <trappist> :)
[08:48] <toblerp> thanks
[08:48] <DaBass> ThomasM sorry my bad
[08:49] <toblerp> i didn't even check if dma was activated because i thought it was on
[08:49] <DaBass> ThomasM i am trying to install edubuntu over network
[08:49] <DShepherd> Amaranth: trappist, System - Prefs - Removable media works for setting the default program launch for audio cds.. I seemingly...many other kool stuff
[08:49] <rabeldable> !paste
[08:49] <ubotu> well, paste is please use http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[08:49] <ThomasM> DaBass: And why do you need chroot?
[08:50] <ThomasM> DaBass: To install it in a certain portion of your drive?
[08:51] <rabeldable> x0rrrz: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4776
[08:51] <x0rrrz> thank you rabeldable
[08:51] <x0rrrz> now do i put that in my .conf file
[08:51] <x0rrrz> or go to links/
[08:52] <DaBass> ThomasM nope i was installing acording to this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/WithFloppies?highlight=%28install%29
[08:52] <toblerp> IDENTIFY
[08:52] <rabeldable> go to the links.... read up on this its important to understand.
[08:52] <x0rrrz> ok
[08:52] <x0rrrz> thanks
[08:52] <Swedish_Chef> how do i disable the grouping of similar tasks in the taskbar?
[08:52] <trappist> DShepherd: awesome, maybe I'm missing out on some cool stuff by using kde
[08:52] <rabeldable> x0rrrz: the easier way is to create individual users on your system and remove the shell from their /etc/passwd entry
[08:53] <DShepherd> trappist: maybe you are
[08:53] <x0rrrz> ....huh? lol
[08:53] <rabeldable> that way they can not login to your system but they can use ftp...
[08:53] <trappist> rabeldable: I use pure-ftpd but if you set the shell to (say) /bin/false ftp doesn't work
[08:54] <x0rrrz> im not going to be able to figrue this out rofl
[08:56] <trappist> x0rrrz: it might be a good idea to get a better handle on linux before trying to run a public ftp server
[08:56] <x0rrrz> i dont want it to be public
[08:56] <x0rrrz> just few users on
[08:56] <x0rrrz> friends pretty uch
[08:56] <rabeldable> x0rrrz:  is it on the net?
[08:56] <trappist> x0rrrz: it'll still be public, unless these friends are on your private network
[08:56] <BigKahuna> It's a little of topic - but what app will allow me to reverse encode and avi file back into 'DVD' format?
[08:56] <x0rrrz> yes its on the net
[08:57] <trappist> x0rrrz: on the net == public
[08:57] <x0rrrz> k
[08:57] <DaBass> ThomasM i've put ls and sh there and nothing has changed
[08:57] <rabeldable> x0rrrz: what are you confused about?
[08:57] <trappist> x0rrrz: who you want to get on and who can get on aren't the same thing
[08:57] <rabeldable> x0rrrz: do you use ssh?
[08:58] <x0rrrz> uhhh
[08:58] <x0rrrz> idk
[08:58] <x0rrrz> probably not if its not default
[08:59] <x0rrrz> i have vnc installed
[08:59] <x0rrrz> so people can get on
[08:59] <x0rrrz> i know that
[08:59] <x0rrrz> like people can get on and use my computer
[08:59] <rabeldable> x0rrrz: read this.... http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/usc20_essentials.html
[08:59] <ghostpsalm> how do you switch between kernel images?
[08:59] <trappist> x0rrrz: please, please turn that off and spend a little time learning linux before you start running servers
[08:59] <keeb> !apache
[08:59] <ubotu> [apache]  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP or, for Ubuntu server information, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/installation-custom
[09:00] <x0rrrz> i try
[09:00] <keeb> !php
[09:00] <ubotu> somebody said lamp was Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Ubuntu is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[09:00] <x0rrrz> im not good at selt teach
[09:00] <trappist> rabeldable: that's an awesome link
[09:01] <rabeldable> http://www.cert.org is a good site
[09:01] <Fritz> hi
[09:02] <DaBass> THomasM r u still there?
[09:02] <rabeldable> x0rrrz:  here is the complete checklist:  http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/usc20_full.html
[09:02] <matsavhalev> rabeldable: thanks for the link...
[09:03] <x0rrrz> usc = ?
[09:03] <x0rrrz> oh
[09:03] <x0rrrz> unix security checklist
[09:03] <x0rrrz> rabeldable thats a lot of reading rofl
[09:03] <Fritz> can anybody answer what I hope should be a quick question about ubuntu server?
[09:03] <rabeldable> x0rrrz: one suggestion, don't allow people with vnc to connect to your linux box... require ssh
[09:03] <dducko> Lots of good information
[09:04] <matsavhalev> securitywise if i have guarddog configured correctly is there much to worry about running an apache server?
[09:04] <matsavhalev> to the internet
[09:04] <x0rrrz> how do i do that?
[09:04] <x0rrrz> is it easy?
[09:04] <rabeldable> !ssh
[09:04] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, ssh is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SSHHowto
[09:04] <matsavhalev> ssh is great!
[09:04] <Karat3> hi
[09:04] <echo> Hello
[09:05] <Fritz> is there a command for ubuntu that basically reruns through the main configuration, including rescanning hardware?
[09:05] <x0rrrz> so rabeldable once i do all of that ssh is installed and will automatically work?
[09:05] <x0rrrz> i wont have to worry about running a program or something
[09:05] <matsavhalev> X0rrrz: just sudo apt-get install openssh-server should have it up and running
[09:05] <Karat3> Question: is debootstrap on a ubuntu cd different to the version on a debian cd (meaning is it a good idea to install debian with an ubuntu cd as i have bo debian cd?)
[09:05] <Fritz> I know there is a command like that in debian, it is something like "dpkg-reconfigure system" but I can't remember the exact syntax and I haven't had luck googling it
[09:05] <tekeo> I need to update my kernel, but I don't know how to...
[09:06] <bob2> Karat3: for that it is fine
[09:06] <bob2> Karat3: (aside fro mthe fact ubuntu's debootstrap might be out of date)
[09:06] <bob2> Fritz: er, there's nothing to rescan
[09:06] <bob2> Fritz: hotplug does a full usb/pci/firewire scan on each boot
[09:06] <Fritz> bob2> so my network card died and I needed to put in a new one, but it's not coming up
[09:06] <bob2> Fritz: then find out why
[09:07] <Fritz> I know the new card is compatible because it shows up witha new install
[09:07] <Karat3> bob2: last time i tried this i finally found xorg installed on my debian sarge, how can this be?
[09:07] <bob2> Fritz: pci devices should be detected on boot (hints: dmesg and lspci output)
[09:07] <Fritz> bob, any idea where to start?
[09:07] <x0rrrrrrrrrz> ok thanks
[09:07] <Fritz> ok
[09:07] <rabeldable> x0rrrz:  yes it will, but to restrict access to the system you need to look at the sshd_config file to limit the users that can ssh in
[09:07] <bob2> Karat3: sounds like you invoked debootstrap wrong
[09:07] <x0rrrz> limit it to 1?
[09:07] <tekeo> the kernel updateing
[09:07] <Fritz> I'll take a look through them, I tried manually running modprobe but no output
[09:07] <DaBass> anybody knows about an easy way to do ubuntu netinstall
[09:08] <rabeldable> x0rrrz:  sure, you only allow your user to connect using ssh
[09:08] <echo> Is there a default ftp server packaged with ubuntu?
[09:08] <bob2> echo: nope
[09:08] <bob2> Fritz: modprobe never prints anything unless it went wrong
[09:08] <bob2> DaBass: get a free cd from shipit.ubuntu.com
[09:08] <x0rrrz> m..
[09:08] <vbgunz> anybody here use devilspie? I just started using it and love it! I have a question though... As I am testing the script I enter "killall devilspie" then to restart it and test a new config "devilspie &"... The only problem is, when I close out the terminal, I seem to also shutdown devilspie... How to make it persistant?
[09:08] <bob2> echo: there are dozens available, of course; I don't know of any reason to use anything aside from proftpd or vsftpd.
[09:09] <DaBass> bob2 i have the cd i don't have cdrom
[09:09] <echo> Any recommendations for an ftpd for ubuntu?
[09:09] <yi> vbgunz: nohup devilspie
[09:09] <DaBass> bob2 no way to boot only floppies
[09:09] <bob2> DaBass: no
[09:09] <vbgunz> yi, thanks for the hint!
[09:09] <x0rrrrrrrrrz> ok installed
[09:09] <rabeldable> x0rrrz:  now if you do:  netstat -na | grep LIST
[09:09] <x0rrrz> is their an easy ftp server than proftpd?
[09:10] <Karat3> bob2: in example?
[09:10] <rabeldable> x0rrrz: you should see port 22 listening, thats ssh
[09:10] <x0rrrrrrrrrz> shows same thing
[09:10] <bob2> x0rrrz: you'd need to define "easy"; proftpd is trivial to get going
[09:10] <x0rrrrrrrrrz> tcp6
[09:10] <bob2> (ie it works when you install it)
[09:10] <x0rrrrrrrrrz> whatever tcp6 is
[09:10] <vbgunz> yi: it works, "no hangups" major thanks!
[09:10] <DaBass> bob2 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/WithFloppies?highlight=%28install%29
[09:10] <Fritz> bob> ok, according to dmesg it's detected and activated successfully using 8139too but it doesn't show up in ifconfig
[09:11] <bob2> Fritz: "ifconfig -a"
[09:11] <tekeo> x0rrrz: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#installftpserver it's proftpd but a guide how to use etc
[09:11] <ghostpsalm> I have two kernels in my /boot; when I chroot it uses the wrong one - how do I change this?
[09:11] <DaBass> bob2 but i got stuck on chroot
[09:12] <Karat3> bob2: i mean, how can this be done wrong? i just specified the mirror server of debian.
[09:12] <bob2> ghostpsalm: kernels have nothing to do with the chroot command
[09:12] <bob2> Karat3: I don't know what command line you used
[09:12] <Fritz> bob> thanks, it was there the whole time, so I just need to configure it
[09:12] <bob2> DaBass: stuck = ?
[09:12] <tekeo> can any1 help me with my kernel updating...
[09:12] <bob2> DaBass: also, network boot is probably simpler
[09:13] <bob2> tekeo: not unless you ask a question...
[09:13] <ghostpsalm> bob2: I chroot into my system, and the type 'uname -a' and it says the wrong image..?
[09:13] <DaBass> bob2 i have pcmcia ethernet, does that work with it?
[09:13] <Karat3> bob2: debootstrap woody /mnt http://source.rfc822.org/debian
[09:13] <bob2> ghostpsalm: it shows different values depending on whether you're in the chroot or not?
[09:13] <Karat3> err
[09:13] <Karat3> bob2: debootstrap sarge /mnt http://server/debian
[09:13] <tekeo> bob2: how to update the kernel
[09:14] <Fritz> bob, is there a dpk-reconfigure for networking?
[09:14] <bob2> tekeo: what do you mean "update"?
[09:14] <tekeo> ?
[09:14] <bob2> Fritz: no. also, etherconf.
[09:14] <DaBass> bob2 stuck: it gives me error cannot exxecute
[09:14] <bob2> DaBass: that's not a literal error message
[09:14] <tekeo> bob2:I need a newer version of the kernel
[09:14] <bob2> tekeo: why?
[09:14] <bob2> tekeo: you need to provide a ton more detail before I can give you a useful answer
[09:15] <tekeo> bob2: installing the new broadcom drivers for linux
[09:15] <bob2> Karat3: ok, I do not know how that could install x.org in /mnt/
[09:15] <bob2> tekeo: um
[09:15] <DaBass> bob2 chroot: cannot execute /bin/sh: No such file or directory
[09:15] <bob2> tekeo: if you don't know how to change your kernel version, I don't htink playing with alpha drivers is a very hot idea
[09:15] <bob2> DaBass: that means you haven't installed your chroot correctly (ie /bin/sh does not exist within it)
[09:15] <nomad111> how can i make the font in ubuntu brighter and more readable
[09:15] <nomad111> i dun like anti-aliased fonts
[09:16] <nomad111> i like sharp edged fonts
[09:16] <bob2> nomad111: so disable it
[09:16] <nomad111> how
[09:16] <ghostpsalm> bob2: Oke, thanks for that - same both ways.  I want to see my software raid in my chroot env. so I can install GRUB to it's MBR, the 'dmsetup status' tells me I need to enable the 'device-mapper' drvier to do so?
[09:16] <bob2> nomad111: system -> [preferences -> font
[09:16] <tekeo> bob2: not?
[09:16] <nomad111> i got vision disability
[09:16] <bob2> tekeo: ?
[09:16] <johnnybezak> hey guys
[09:16] <bob2> ghostpsalm: do you have /proc and /sys mounted in the chroot?
[09:16] <tekeo> bob2: is it better to wait for stable drivers?
[09:16] <ghostpsalm> bob2: Yes.
[09:16] <DaBass> bob2 u mean within the target dir?
[09:17] <bob2> tekeo: yes
[09:17] <bob2> DaBass: yes
[09:17] <nomad111> bob2, im looking at this pdf and the font is so thin, good size but thin wat can i do for that
[09:17] <bob2> nomad111: that's a problem with the pdf, you'll need to tweak your pdf reader (or just zoom in)
[09:17] <johnnybezak> i've got a question, when I try and eject my ipod it wount eject it. to get rid of the "do not disconnect" message on the ipod i have to do a "sudo eject /dev/sda*" and I find that this corrupts my iPod library and makes the ipod read only. Anyone got any ideas to fix this?
[09:18] <tekeo> bob2: what can possibly go so wrong that it's not worth a try?
[09:18] <bob2> tekeo: making your system unbootable?
[09:18] <DaBass> bob2 ThomasM told me that all I should need would be /bin/sh /bin/ls and i copied those two is there anything else i have to do?
[09:18] <NoUse> johnnybezak, what are you using to eject the ipod?
[09:18] <bob2> tekeo: also, it would take a very long time for someone to teach you to compile your own kernel, which is a bit silly for so little gain
[09:18] <bob2> DaBass: uh
[09:18] <ThomasM> DaBass: I told you how to create a basic chroot. Please don't put words in my mouth.
[09:18] <ghostpsalm> bob2: '/proc/devices: fopen failed: No such file or directory'; when I run the dmsetup status...
[09:19] <bob2> DaBass: debootstrap puts all you need in there
[09:19] <DaBass> ThomasM sorry did not want to
[09:19] <bob2> ghostpsalm: does it exist in|out of the chroot?
[09:19] <ghostpsalm> bob2: It works perfectly outside of the chroot.
[09:19] <ThomasM> I did not want to type it! Somebody made me! Meh.
[09:19] <tekeo>  bob2: I can compile my own kernel, but mayB I don't know exactly which things to enable/disable
[09:20] <bob2> tekeo: which is the problem
[09:20] <tekeo>  bob2: huh?
[09:20] <johnnybezak> NoUse: I have used a few different things Nautilus, Banshee
[09:20] <bob2> tekeo: yes, that is the only source of difficulty in building a kernel
[09:20] <tekeo>  bob2: the problem is that I want to update my kernel and get my wireless card to work...
[09:20] <DaBass> THomasM i meant to interpret it the best way i know, i am a newbie i did not want to mess up your words
[09:20] <NoUse> johnnybezak, I usually just right click on the icon on the desktop or in Computer and click unmount and it works like a charm, which version of ubuntu are you using?
[09:20] <bob2> tekeo: actually compiling it is trivial, the hard part is configuring it correctly
[09:21] <bob2> tekeo: I'm not sure what that has to do with anything; can't you use ndiswrapper?
[09:21] <tekeo> bob2: no
[09:21] <ThomasM> DaBass: Stop worrying about my poor self and go read up on deboostrap. :)
[09:21] <echo> Whats the difference in Apache and Apache2?
[09:21] <bob2> echo: one is maintained and supported in ubuntu, one is not
[09:21] <Xenguy> echo: the former is a previous version
[09:22] <tekeo> bob2: how long do you think it will take before a stable driver is released?
[09:22] <rabeldable> tekeo: you can always go to ##kernelnewbies or #kernel
[09:22] <echo> Which one does ubuntu support?
[09:22] <ThomasM> apache2
[09:22] <bob2> tekeo: it has been several years now
[09:22] <bob2> echo: apache2
[09:22] <echo> thx
[09:23] <johnnybezak> NoUse: breezy
[09:23] <tekeo> bob2: well thanks anyway ;)
[09:23] <bob2> tekeo: why can't you use ndiswrapper?
[09:23] <keeb> heya guys
[09:23] <keeb> small problem it seems
[09:23] <tekeo> bob2: never used it
[09:23] <tekeo> bob2: I can possibly use it
[09:23] <keeb> i got mysql installed correctly and it's configured correctly with php5
[09:23] <keeb> but i can't seem to login
[09:23] <keeb> using my name/pass
[09:23] <NoUse> johnnybezak, what error do you get when you click the "unmount" open in nautilus?
[09:24] <bob2> tekeo: um
[09:24] <rabeldable> keeb: is mysql running?
[09:24] <keeb> rabeldable, yes
[09:24] <keeb> phpinfo shows that everything is set up correctly
[09:24] <johnnybezak> NoUse: im just gonna check
[09:24] <bob2> tekeo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[09:24] <rabeldable> keeb: what version of mysql?
[09:24] <ThomasM> keeb: Can you login from the console?
[09:24] <keeb> ah, guys
[09:24] <keeb> i know why.
[09:25] <keeb> i was trying to login as keeb, my bash login
[09:25] <keeb> as soon as i logged in as root/nopass
[09:25] <keeb> it went through fine
[09:25] <keeb> thanks for brainstorming with me ;)
[09:25] <rabeldable> keeb: nopass is a bad thing
[09:25] <bob2> tekeo: btw, asking, I guess, functional questions can lead to quicker help; if you'd come in and said "How can I make my broadcom wireless card work?", you could have had it working by now ;)
[09:26] <keeb> of course, it just got installed, rabeldable
[09:26] <tekeo> bob2: probably
[09:26] <keeb> like 3 mins ago. d;]
[09:26] <kelbizzle> Does anyone know why xmms will freeze up after trying to play a shoutcast stream from streamtuner
[09:26] <rabeldable> keeb: i'm glad you know :)
[09:26] <rabeldable> kelbizzle: network problems
[09:27] <tekeo> bob2: this was the one I was thinking of, http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/
[09:27] <mlalkaka> trappist, the dosdevices solution worked. i created a symlink called e: that pointed to /tmp/swat3-1. when it asked for cd2, i deleted the symlink and created e: again, except i made it point to /tmp/swat3-2 (i guess i could have made it point to /media/cdrom0 for one of the cd's and it still would have worked. that way, i would only have to copy one cd instead of two). i ran the installation program as `wine e:\INSTALL.EXE`
[09:27] <kelbizzle> it downloads and allbut just doesnt play.
[09:27] <johnnybezak> kelbizzle: try running xmms from the cli, and see what it outputs when it hangs
[09:28] <kelbizzle> how do I do the feed from the cli
[09:28] <rabeldable> kelbizzle: just run xmms, it will load the gui app
[09:28] <tekeo> bob2: thanks and have a nice time
[09:28] <rabeldable> kelbizzle: from CLI : xmms
[09:28] <johnnybezak> kelbizzle: type xmms in gnome-terminal
[09:28] <Fritz> thanks bob2, I got myself so stuck on thinking it wasn't working, I didn't even try applying a config to it
[09:29] <rabeldable> kelbizzle: if it fails or hangs messages will be in the gnome-terminal
[09:30] <kelbizzle> wheres the gnome terminal
[09:31] <rob_p> kelbizzle:  /usr/bin/gnome-terminal
[09:31] <Madpilot> kelbizzle: Applications menu - Accessories - Terminal
[09:31] <HappyFool> in front of the gnome in canonical hq
[09:32] <johnnybezak> NoUse: from nautilus, unable to eject media. eject: unable to eject, last error: invalid argument
[09:32] <bob2> hm, someone should buy a garden gnome for the canonical hq
[09:32] <bob2> now it's not just mark's lounge room
[09:32] <Xenguy> johnnybezak: dunno - tried 'eject' from the commandline?
[09:33] <johnnybezak> Xenguy: yeah, it corrupts the iPod library and makes it read only
[09:33] <Xenguy> lovely
[09:34] <NoUse> johnnybezak, yeah you should report that, in the mean time you can use the umount /media/ipod or whatever to unmount it first
[09:34] <DaBass> bob2 i did /usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch i386 breezy /target ftp://<IP_ADDRESS> it has exited with usage: /usr/lib/debootstrap/pkgdetails pkg mirror packages_file
[09:34] <kelbizzle> nothing happend when i typed xmms
[09:34] <NoUse> johnnybezak, then you should be able to eject no prob
[09:35] <rabeldable> kelbizzle: try xmms -m
[09:35] <ThomasM> NoUse: Unless something has a file open from the iPod.
[09:35] <NoUse> ThomasM, well yeah
[09:35] <kelbizzle> nothing
[09:35] <ThomasM> NoUse: Might want to include an 'lsof' caveat.
[09:36] <johnnybezak> NoUse: hmm yeah this is preetty wierd though, it shouldn't be happening
[09:36] <DaBass> THomasM i did /usr/sbin/debootstrap --arch i386 breezy /target ftp://<IP_ADDRESS> it has exited with usage: /usr/lib/debootstrap/pkgdetails pkg mirror packages_file
[09:37] <johnnybezak> kelbizzle: do you get the same problems with Beep? If not, might be worth just using Beep they're identical anyway
[09:37] <kelbizzle> i dont have beep installed
[09:37] <ThomasM> DaBass: Yes. I saw it the first time. No need to parrot. BTW, when you address messages to a specific person, people assume you're talking just to them. Just because somebody specific helped you 10-30 minutes ago doesn't mean somebody else can't/won't help.
[09:38] <echo> I'm trying to create an account for pftpd and I recieve File Creation Faile "No such file or directory".
[09:38] <johnnybezak> kelbizzle: sudo apt-get install beep-media-player :) it's basically xmms, built on gtk2
[09:38] <bob2> echo: ...when using adduser?
[09:38] <echo> no, through gui.
[09:38] <NoUse> johnnybezak, there seem to be some decent threads on ubuntuforums pertaining to this but yeah file a bug
[09:39] <dylan_> how do i speed up page printing time in ubuntu?
[09:39] <kelbizzle> will the streams open automatically from streamtuner
[09:39] <kelbizzle> or will I have to change something
[09:40] <DaBass> THomasM see nobody wants/will
[09:40] <johnnybezak> NoUse: ok, to this in particular?
[09:40] <NoUse> johnnybezak, yeah
[09:40] <kelbizzle> beep doesnt open for me.
[09:40] <johnnybezak> NoUse: I'll have a look
[09:41] <kelbizzle> I suck :-/
[09:41] <ThomasM> DaBass: A lot of that is because this stuff is fairly well documented. Nobody really feels like explaining to you something that's been explained over and over.
[09:41] <ThomasM> !debootstrap
[09:42] <organgrinder> alright, I have been having some issues -- a lot of things say 'as root user' for installs (cedega) however, there is no root user as far as I can tell. How do I go about doing these installs ='(
[09:42] <kelbizzle> I'm giving up for thenight
[09:42] <johnnybezak> NoUse: it's wierd, maybe there is something wrong with my iPod, I just reformatted it and it's still being wierd
[09:42] <Madpilot> organgrinder: with sudo
[09:42] <kelbizzle> night guys
[09:42] <Madpilot> !tell organgrinder about sudo
[09:42] <rob_p> kelbizzle:  Try, "killall xmms; xmms" and it will (hopefully) close any non-responsive xmms instances before trying to start a new one.
[09:42] <NoUse> johnnybezak, which generation ipod is it?
[09:42] <johnnybezak> its a 2g iPod mini
[09:42] <kelbizzle> ok
[09:42] <organgrinder> thanks
[09:42] <johnnybezak> NoUse: works fine on the gf's mac
[09:43] <NoUse> johnnybezak, of course it works on a mac :-)
[09:43] <echo> Is there a default user name and passwd for pftpd?
[09:43] <NoUse> johnnybezak, it could be that it's a very new ipod and that support is still iffy on Linux
[09:43] <NoUse> johnnybezak, mine is only a 15 GB gen 2 or 3
[09:43] <kelbizzle> ok it opens.
[09:43] <kelbizzle> Does the prebuffer thing
[09:43] <keeb> does anyone have an idea on a tool i should use with ubuntu/mysql for creating tables and stuff in a GUI?
[09:44] <kelbizzle> but doesnt play
[09:44] <johnnybezak> NoUse: yeah i'm sort of thinking out loud as to what the prob could be
[09:44] <kelbizzle> Now If I click play
[09:44] <kelbizzle> it will freeze up\
[09:44] <johnnybezak> NoUse: it's not *that* new though
[09:44] <rabeldable> kelbizzle: any messages in the terminal window?
[09:44] <kelbizzle> nope
[09:45] <ThomasM> keeb: Look into a package called 'mysql-admin'.
[09:45] <NoUse> johnnybezak, the nano came out only a few weeks before Breezy was released
[09:45] <rabeldable> kelbizzle: try to stream this http://<IP_ADDRESS>:6390
[09:45] <rabeldable> kelbizzle: I'm currently listening to that stream with no problems
[09:46] <rob_p> kelbizzle:  It's probably a configuration error or missing codec.  Anyway, you'll probably have to manually kill the process any time it does that, before trying to open a new one, until you get it figured out.
[09:46] <johnnybezak> NoUse: i've got a mini not a nano, did i say nano?
[09:47] <NoUse> johnnybezak, oh I'm sorry, not thinking
[09:47] <ThomasM> keeb: I also see something called 'mysql-navigator'.
[09:47] <NoUse> johnnybezak, yeah I'd file a report with as much info as you can
[09:48] <kelbizzle> yea it's probably a codec thing
[09:48] <DaBass> THoomaM neither the bot knows about it ;-)
[09:48] <kelbizzle> I still cant even play mp3's
[09:48] <kelbizzle> Thanks guys for all your help
[09:48] <kelbizzle> I'm going to bed.
[09:49] <ThomasM> DaBass: And if the bot doesn't know, it must be rare knowledge indeed, requiring arcane information not found on google.
[09:49] <dEbUn2> I don't believe it's a codec issue -- I had the same issue several months ago but can't for the life of me remember what I did to correct the problem
[09:50] <rabeldable> xmms installed for me without any extra steps...
[09:50] <rabeldable> now watching a dvd was more complicated
[09:50] <dEbUn2> indeed -- however, on one my installs, there was a bit of tweaking involved
[09:51] <rob_p> dEbUn2:  Probably wrong audio output plugin selected!  I was going to mention it to him but he left!
[09:51] <dEbUn2> I believe that's correct...
[09:51] <rob_p> dEbUn2:  I've seen that cause apparent lock-ups with xmms.
[09:52] <Stevman> okeeeh.
[09:52] <Stevman> help meeees
[09:52] <ghostpsalm> I am trying to install grub into the MBR from a chroot onto a SATA RAID, however I get this error message:
[09:52] <ghostpsalm> "/proc/devices: fopen failed: No such file or directory.
[09:52] <ghostpsalm>  Is device-mapper driver missing from kernel?".  Can anyone help me?
[09:52] <ghostpsalm> (oops)
[09:53] <ThomasM> ghostpsalm: You'll have to mount a /proc inside of the chroot.
[09:53] <agtnz> hi - whats a good image viewer for linux. has to show animated .gifs, too
[09:53] <ghostpsalm> ThomasM: It is mounted, 'mount' says so.
[09:53] <ThomasM> ghostpsalm: Inside the chroot?
[09:53] <echo> I cant creat a password file for pftpd, also i have anonymous enabled in the pftpd.conf but still cant connect
[09:53] <ghostpsalm> ThomasM: Yes.
[09:53] <Lathiat> ghostpsalm: from outside the chroot, mount -t proc proc /path/to/chroot/proc
[09:53] <Fritz> agtnz, are you running kde or gnome?
[09:53] <Stevman> can anyone help me dual booting Ubuntu and XP on a SATA Raid (or point me in a direction of a guide or two)...
[09:53] <keeb> thanks thomas
[09:53] <thoreauputic> gthumb , or commandline imagemagick ( animate)
[09:54] <Lathiat> ghostpsalm: also, it might be easier just to install from outside the chroot
[09:54] <[linner] > thoreauputic:  hi sweetie :)
[09:54] <Lathiat> ghostpsalm: look at -R to grub
[09:54] <agtnz> Fritz: xfce, but mostly gnome apps
[09:54] <thoreauputic> [linner] : hey - where have you been? :))
[09:54] <[linner] > working... got a new job. ;)
[09:54] <thoreauputic> ah
[09:55] <[linner] > i've been looking for you
[09:55] <[linner] > haven't seen you either in quite a while
[09:56] <Fritz> agtnz, most of the image viewers on my system are kde based, the only full featured non-kde one I have is thumber
[09:56] <agtnz> Fritz: thx :) i might google a bit
[09:57] <Fritz> there is a program called "eye of gnome" which is supposed to be very good, but I haven't used it personally
[09:57] <Xenguy> also gqview is worth a look
[09:59] <Stevman> anyone successfully dual booted XP and Ubuntu on a Sata Raid?
[09:59] <ghostpsalm> Lathiat/ThomasM:  Mounting proc outside chroot worked, now I get this error: 'ERROR: opening "/dev/mapper/via_cfdehjfb"' When I attempt to run dmraid.
[09:59] <ghostpsalm> Stevman: I am trying!
[10:00] <Lathiat> Stevman: youll find your sata raid is fakeraid which may be causign some issues
[10:00] <Stevman> ghostpsalm: cool. We'll trade progress when I get into it :p
[10:00] <Stevman> ^_^
[10:01] <holy_cow> hey guys, what drivers do i need to know about to recompile for usb support?
[10:01] <ghostpsalm> Lathiat:  I mounted /proc, and /sys from outside the chrooot, and now I am in it - the /proc/devices has gone, now DMRAID just does not make the RAID avaliable from /dev/mapper/ ?
[10:02] <holy_cow> every distro including sarge can see my usb port on a particular machine, and i don't think i have a choice but to consider doing something along those lines
[10:02] <ThomasM> holy_cow: The stock kernel should have USB support. What has you compiling your own?
[10:02] <holy_cow> this is debian/ubuntu, drivers are NOT built into the kernel
[10:03] <holy_cow> what do you mean what has me compiling on my own? is my question in a foreign language?
[10:03] <dEbUn2> ...
[10:04] <nomad111> is any1 familiar with bearshare
[10:04] <nomad111> are there any p2p software for ubuntu
[10:04] <holy_cow> you mean for stealing copyrighted material?
[10:04] <holy_cow> lol :)
[10:04] <nomad111> nope
[10:05] <ThomasM> holy_cow: I'm sorry. I was asking a perfectly legitimate question. Your comment before came one second before mine--as in, not even time to notice before I pressed enter. But now that you've gotten rude, you can find a way to fix it without any of my help.
[10:05] <holy_cow> there are torrent clients
[10:05] <nomad111> but isnt there anything like shareaza
[10:05] <nomad111> or kazaa
[10:05] <ThomasM> "God, let's all be little asses to the people trying to help, that'll make them really want to keep it up."
 The official FAQ Guide, which is based on ubuntuguide is the help menu in Breezy. For more information see !faq.
[10:07] <Stevman> *are
[10:08] <Seveas> dEbUn2, stay as far away from ubuntuguide as you can
[10:10] <dEbUn2> Seveas: thanks! heh -- I've got my own canabalized version that I still reference from time to time.. But yes, it probably should just go away
[10:10] <AlexGanache> I am going to...
[10:10] <Stevman> brb... gotta restart
[10:10] <locomorto> hmm, I find that using alien on the rpm files and installing the debs works really well
[10:10] <AlexGanache> How is everyone?
[10:10] <locomorto> And you get the menu enteries as well
[10:10] <locomorto> good AlexGanache
[10:10] <dEbUn2> alien is nice!~
[10:10] <johnnybezak> guys i've got a bunch of directories and in those directories is a sub directory of thumbnails and i want to get rid of them. i tried to use the gnome "find" and then remove them, but it won't let me because they're not empty. I don't know how to do this from the cli, without writing a script. anyone got any ideas?
[10:10] <Seveas> locomorto, depends completely on the quality of the .deb files
[10:11] <AlexGanache> Um, can anyone tell me why my computer will just stop during certain phases of installation?
[10:11] <locomorto> Seveas: I was referring to the example of limewire
[10:11] <Seveas> johnnybezak, rm -rf map/
[10:11] <Seveas> locomorto, ah ok :)
[10:11] <drcode> any one know how can I limit outgoing bandwith in postfix ?
[10:11] <johnnybezak> @Seveas: whats the map/ ?
[10:11] <drcode> it eat all my bandwith
[10:11] <Seveas> the folder you want to delete
[10:11] <dEbUn2> the almighty -rf argument! ;)
[10:11] <ghostpsalm> Is anyone familiar with DMRAID?
[10:12] <Seveas> (sorry, just awake and I'm in half-dutch-half-english mode =))
[10:12] <johnnybezak> dEbUn2: that's why i'm being careful before i just put it in their
[10:12] <johnnybezak> @Seveas: so is just type rm -rf thumbs/ ?
[10:12] <AlexGanache> Anyone?
[10:12] <Seveas> yeah
[10:12] <Seveas> AlexGanache, because it is lazy
[10:13] <johnnybezak> AlexGanache: when does it stop? what do you mean stop?
[10:13] <AlexGanache> lol
[10:13] <rabeldable> drcode: edit the master.cf file to limit outbound and inbound messages
[10:13] <Seveas> (not giving info means not getting answers since we cannot possiblt know anything about it)
[10:13] <AlexGanache> It just... freezes... longer than ten minutes at either Partitioning or installing base system
[10:13] <AlexGanache> The CPU thinking light is on but nothing is happening
[10:13] <drcode> thanx
[10:14] <drcode> I Will check it out
[10:14] <anavim> AlexGanache, and then what... does it continue?
[10:14] <trappist> AlexGanache: does it ever recover?
[10:14] <Seveas> AlexGanache, partitioning is a step with little visible activity if you repartition
[10:14] <Seveas> installing base ssytem might get slow on an old machine
[10:14] <johnnybezak> @Seveas: ten minutes is  a while though
[10:14] <Seveas> so some system specs may help :)
[10:14] <AlexGanache> I have gotten it through partitioning and it goes fast.
[10:14] <anavim> AlexGanache, so do you have a problem you need to solve, or are you just curious?
[10:15] <tenzin> hi
[10:15] <trappist> AlexGanache: I had a box once that did that.  or rather, I had a scanner once that generated so much bogus kernel message traffic that it caused it on any box it was connected to.
[10:15] <johnnybezak> hey
[10:15] <drcode> rabeldable: where what I line I Need to change?
[10:15] <AlexGanache> Well, I dont know!  It seems that something is amiss that would cause it to freeze or something.
[10:15] <AlexGanache> Should I just go to bed and let in run.
[10:16] <anavim> AlexGanache, so how long has it been sitting on a step, and what step is it on?  what's the processor speed?
[10:16] <trappist> AlexGanache: I would try booting to a livecd and partitioning from there and watching dmesg if it behaves similarly
[10:16] <johnnybezak> AlexGanache: proabably safest
[10:16] <DaBass> does ubuntu have basedebs.tar and where can i download it from
[10:17] <AlexGanache> ok, It is at 9% partitioning right now and isnt doing anything.
[10:17] <AlexGanache> 600MHZ lol old I know.
[10:17] <anavim> AlexGanache, for how long?
[10:17] <AlexGanache> hmm it has been about.. 3 minutes so far.
[10:18] <dEbUn2> how big is the drive?
[10:18] <anavim> AlexGanache, doesn't seem like a problem.. yet
[10:18] <rabeldable> drcode: http://www.postfix.org/rate.html
[10:18] <drcode> thanx
[10:18] <AlexGanache> the drive is 10 GB
[10:18] <anavim> AlexGanache, personally, I would give it another 15 minutes before I get worried
[10:19] <anavim> AlexGanache, with it indicating 9%, that is
[10:19] <AlexGanache> It goes from partitioning to installing on its own right?
[10:19] <Seveas> DaBass, what would be in basedebs.tar?
[10:19] <Seveas> AlexGanache, yes
[10:19] <AlexGanache> hmm then perhaps I will just go to bed.
[10:20] <Seveas> g'night :)
[10:20] <AlexGanache> ill be back tomorrow to complain some more :)
[10:20] <Seveas> :)
[10:21] <dEbUn2> we're here to help.... Errr, at least try!
[10:21] <AlexGanache> lol ill see you all soon
[10:21] <ghostpsalm> root@ubuntu:/# dmraid -ay -v
[10:21] <ghostpsalm>    RAID set "via_cfdehjfb" already active
[10:21] <ghostpsalm> INFO: Activating stripe RAID set "via_cfdehjfb   "
[10:21] <ghostpsalm> ERROR: opening "/dev/mapper/via_cfdehjfb"
[10:21] <ghostpsalm> Can anyone help with this?
[10:21] <Seveas> no
[10:22] <Seveas> you should NEVER paste in here
[10:22] <johnnybezak> @Seveas: rm -rf thumbs/ doesn't work there still there, I want it to be able to go through all the directories from the top directory and recursively go through hunt out the thumbs directories and delete them do you get me?
[10:22] <ghostpsalm> Oh... sorry.
[10:22] <DaBass> Seveas I am confused a little bit, debootstrap doest work for me and i dont know why
[10:23] <ghostpsalm> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4777   -   ?
[10:23] <HappyFool> johnnybezak: this might work, but leave off the -exec bit to test it first:   find -type d -name 'thumbs' -exec rm -rf '{}' ';'
[10:24] <johnnybezak> HappyFool: i knew there was a bash guru hiding here somewhere
[10:24] <DaBass> seveas as i was studying debootstrap howto for debian i found it needed that file at least as far as i undertod it
[10:24] <Seveas> DaBass, debootstrap get things of the internet
[10:24] <Seveas> off*
[10:25] <Seveas> base.tar.gz is something pbuilder creates using bootstrap, maybe you got confused with that?
[10:25] <DaBass> seveas yes but it is not getting them for for me and there was a way to give it a file
[10:26] <Seveas> dabaR, check your debootstrap config :)
[10:26] <ajeet> Hello, anyone know why the libgl-mesa-dri files aren't where they are supposed to be? I'm doing a software update and 3 files won't do, because they can't be found?!
[10:26] <ghostpsalm> debbotstrap --arch ARCH breezy /installdir file:/media/cdrom
[10:26] <johnnybezak> HappyFool: perfect man that's exactly what I was looking for :)
[10:27] <HappyFool> johnnybezak: np. 'find' is pretty cool
[10:27] <AlexGanache> Woo! It moved on!  Since "A watched pot never boils", I am going to bed before my pot freaks out.
[10:27] <Seveas> AlexGanache, yeah, pot that freaks out sucks ;)
[10:27] <AlexGanache> lol
[10:27] <johnnybezak> HappyFool: i agree :)
[10:27] <anavim> AlexGanache, please don't hold your breath!  ;)
[10:28] <AlexGanache> ooo 22%
[10:28] <DaBass> dhodtpsalm that's nice but i don't have cdrom i am connected to internet and every time i try to do debootstrap it exits with usage: pkg mirror packagefile ...
[10:28] <AlexGanache> Anyway I really am going now.  be back in a few hours.
[10:29] <ghostpsalm> It may seema silly question; have you run apt-get update, and apt-get upgrade?
[10:30] <DaBass> seveas where is that config
[10:30] <AlexGanache> Um I think it has died on "extracting python2-4minimal"
[10:30] <AlexGanache> Nvm
[10:32] <jrsims> I have a question about apt-get - does it leave behind artifacts when I uninstall software?
[10:33] <locomorto> jrsims: if you mean used packages, then yes
[10:33] <locomorto> jrsims: if you want to get around that, use aptitude
[10:33] <Colinmcd> hey everyone
[10:33] <locomorto> jrsims: same commands
[10:33] <locomorto> jrsims: but will remove unused packages
[10:34] <jrsims> locomorto: so apt doesn't remove unused packages - just installs them?
[10:34] <locomorto> Well you can unistall packages, but lets say
[10:34] <Colinmcd> I have a friend that has removed the key bindings to the down key he can't use the down key at all. Any help he is using gnome
[10:34] <locomorto> I install lighttpd (a server like apache)
[10:35] <locomorto> It depends on say liblighttpd
[10:35] <locomorto> if I do a sudo apt-get remove lighttpd
[10:35] <locomorto> then liblighttpd will stay
[10:35] <Seveas> yup
[10:35] <Seveas> but debfoster will clean that :)
[10:35] <munzir> hi gurus! I just upgraded my kernel in  my remote server but what's the best way to reboot that new kernel? remove the old and reboot?
[10:35] <Seveas> and in the future apt too
[10:35] <Seveas> munzir, no, reboot and *then* remove the old
[10:35] <jrsims> cool
[10:35] <locomorto> I I did that with aptitude, then it would say, REMOVING UNUSED PACKAGES :liblighttpd
[10:36] <ghostpsalm> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4777  -  Is anyone able to help?
[10:36] <locomorto> and prompt you
[10:36] <munzir> Seveas: but when I reboot would the new kernel be choosen by default?
[10:36] <jrsims> aptitude is not debian native like apt, right?
[10:36] <Seveas> munzir, yes
[10:36] <Seveas> jrsims, it is
[10:36] <jrsims> Seveas: ok. so it's part of debian's install/uninstall suite
[10:36] <jrsims> Seveas: er, programs
[10:36] <munzir> Seveas: ok thanks a lot
[10:38] <Colinmcd> anyone know about key bindings and how to rebind the down arrow on the keyboard
[10:39] <Seveas> Colinmcd, what on earth do you want to rebind it to?!?
[10:40] <anavim> Colinmcd, there are several ways to rebind key commands
[10:40] <Colinmcd> I want to bind it back to down arrow
[10:40] <Seveas> Colinmcd, hehe
[10:40] <Seveas> system -> preferences -> keyboard shortcuts
[10:40] <Colinmcd> yea
[10:41] <Colinmcd> and where to from there
[10:41] <g00r0n> my friends who have macs have a desktop background that changes colors constantly, is there a program/etc. available for ubuntu which does the same?
[10:41] <Seveas> find the keybinding with the downarrow (use only the mouse)
[10:41] <Seveas> and reset that one
[10:42] <atrolinux> anybody willing to help me get my wireless nic to work?
[10:42] <anavim> !anyone
[10:42] <Colinmcd> my mate is wondering where it is? is it in the desktop section or another section?
[10:42] <ubotu> anyone is probably 90% of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and YOU decide? <hint>
[10:42] <Seveas> g00r0n, yes
[10:43] <g00r0n> Seveas: which program?
[10:43] <Seveas> !no anyone is <reply> probably 90% of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and YOU decide? <hint>
[10:43] <ubotu> Seveas: okay
[10:43] <Seveas> g00r0n, can't remember the name, sorry...
[10:44] <Jinjon> seveas iv already checked & its not there
[10:44] <Jinjon> that is y im asking
[10:44] <munzir> Seveas: with dual-core xeon ( which I guess one chip) should I use kernel or kernel-smp?
[10:45] <Colinmcd> Jinjon is asking about the down arrow keybinding
[10:45] <Jinjon> can u help me
[10:45] <atrolinux> *rewording without the use of anyone*  I have a laptop with a built in wireless card.  I can't get the card to work with ubuntu.  Is there an easy way to get it to work?  How about a hard way?
[10:46] <Alex> atrolinux: Find out if it's supported by ndiswrapper, if it is, follow the ubar easy howto on the ndiswrapper wiki
[10:46] <Colinmcd> atrolinux> try http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-29046.html
[10:47] <Colinmcd> or this http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-5529.html try a ifconfig and tell us what happens. (BTW I don't really know but looking through forums is a good way to find out
[10:50] <ekceh> I've a resolution problem on macintosh powerbook. It seems like I don't use the right driver. I've checked xorg.0.log. It says: (II) RADEON(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range)
[10:50] <atrolinux> Thanks for the links guys.  I've tried ndiswrapper to no avail (probably because I'm probably not finding the right windows driver anyway).  I've made a post on the forums but thought some live help might be better.  I'll read through those links and see if I find anything I haven't tried yet.
[10:52] <retrix> atrolinux: if you can track down the right drivers, you might want to try ndisgtk (apt-get install ndisgtk) ... its a gui i wrote that may help you get set up
[10:53] <anavim> ekceh, hsync isn't the resolution, it's the sync rate
[10:53] <ulle> my firefox takes long times to load pages but opera works fine when I'm using windows on the same computer any ideas how to fix it?
[10:53] <anavim> ekceh, you should try changing the sync rate
[10:53] <ekceh> ok
[10:53] <atrolinux> I've also been using ndisgtk.  It tells me the hardware isn't present for the drivers I've found that are supposed to work.
[10:54] <Yannick_R> hello, I compiled a 2.6.14 vanilla kernel, and when I use it the automount (usbkeys, cdrom) doesn't work, any of you could help me ?
[10:55] <ekceh> can't find sync rate in xorg.conf. Is this the right place to look?
[10:56] <ulle> my firefox takes long times to load pages but opera works fine when I'm using windows on the same computer any ideas how to fix it?
[10:56] <anavim> ekceh, system-> preferences-> screen resolution -> refresh rate
[10:57] <noname> hello peeps
[10:57] <ekceh> the only option there is 60 Hz.
[10:57] <Madpilot> ulle: install Opera in Ubuntu?
[10:57] <Madpilot> !tell ulle about opera
[10:57] <HappyFool> ulle: in    about:config,  disable network.dns.disableIPv6
[10:58] <HappyFool> there are some other performance hints, but i haven't set those
[10:58] <retrix> atrolinux: dont take the hardware present info as gospel ... ndiswrapper may not find the hardware but it can still work in some instances
[10:59] <murray> hi ... does anyone know much about /etc/acpi/hibernate.pl ?
[10:59] <murray> when I run it, the computer shuts down (slowly)
[10:59] <murray> and then fails to restart properly : it hangs while booting requiring a power cycle
[11:00] <raphink> hibernation is quiet hard to get to work
[11:00] <Steil> heh does anyone know if theres a way to change around the xchat-gnome UI? (e.g. move the server and nick lists to the right of the screen)
[11:00] <murray> swsusp: FATAL:
[11:00] <murray> cannot find swap device, try swapon -a!
[11:00] <murray> but swap does exist
[11:00] <Corrupter> how do i make a boot disk?
[11:00] <murray> and I've got resume=/dev/hda2 (aka swap) in the grub menu.lst
[11:01] <murray> Corrupter : do you need it to install, or to fix a system?
[11:01] <murray> cause if the latter, any old live-cd will do
[11:01] <murray> you can boot with that, mount your disks and tinker
[11:01] <Corrupter> install
[11:01] <Corrupter> i have an ISO, just no CD burner :-(
[11:01] <murray> ahhh...
[11:02] <Corrupter> i is poor...
[11:03] <murray> my suggestion would be to get a cd in the post
[11:04] <murray> or ask your local lug if you have one near by
[11:04] <pppoe_dude> hi. when using pop3 e-mail without SSL or secure authentication, is my password sent as clear text?
[11:05] <Corrupter> any idea if ubuntu works good with comcast cable?
[11:05] <appleman> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4777  -  Is anyone able to help?
[11:05] <rob_p> pppoe_dude:  Yes.
[11:05] <Corrupter> <--- had mucho problems with other versions and the same ISP
[11:06] <murray> Corrupter: http://www.wrigley.me.uk/wp/?p=71
[11:06] <pppoe_dude> rob_p, and there's no way around it if the server doesnt support ssl/secure authentication?
[11:06] <rob_p> pppoe_dude:  Afraid not!
[11:06] <pppoe_dude> ok
[11:07] <smiley> hi all
[11:07] <murray> pppoe_dude: regularly changing your password :)
[11:07] <smiley> how to use bittorrrent
[11:07] <murray> smiley: google it
[11:07] <smiley> and what location do i have to open at the beggining
[11:08] <rob_p> pppoe_dude:  If you own the server, you could setup a ssh tunnel to it.  I've done that to keep things secure for otherwise clear-text stuff.
[11:09] <Corrupter> anyone know if Comcast cable works with ubuntu?
[11:09] <atrolinux> I know mediacom cable does.  I can't imagine why comcast wouldn't
[11:10] <Corrupter> comcast is kind of... retarded...
[11:10] <noname> hello everyone
[11:10] <anavim> Corrupter, what, you mean the installer?
[11:10] <noname> can anyone help me how to install yahoo messenger in ubuntu?
[11:10] <Corrupter> i mean i don't have a CD burner and i need to install ubuntu
[11:11] <anavim> noname, try gaim
[11:11] <Corrupter> i have the ISO
[11:11] <Corrupter> gaim... i love gaim, always use gaim! i use gaim on windows
[11:11] <noname> what gaim anavin?
[11:11] <anavim> noname, it's a free instant messenger client for ubuntu
[11:11] <Corrupter> without the ads or spam or... any of that other annoying AIM stuff
[11:12] <anavim> Corrupter, comcast is my dsp, it works fine
[11:12] <noname> oki guys ill try to check that now
[11:12] <Corrupter> sweet
[11:12] <noname> tnx fo helping
[11:12] <Corrupter> anyways, any idea for how to install ubuntu without a CD burner?
[11:13] <lillpelle> Corrupter: you can order CD for free from the home page, get it by mail and install from CD (if you have CD)
[11:13] <atrolinux> Corrupter, shipit will send you free cds.  Or you could have a friend burn it?  As far as installing it from the hard drive with an ISO, I don't know.
[11:13] <Corrupter> <-- no patience
[11:13] <anavim> Corrupter, linux from scratch and then convert it to ubuntu... it'll take you a few weeks/months to read through the docs  :(
[11:14] <Corrupter> alright
[11:14] <Corrupter> well, geuss i'll do it the cheater way...
[11:14] <lillpelle> is it not possible to install from floppy+net?
[11:14] <Corrupter> go buy a CD burner from wal-mart, burn it, then take it back and get a refund
[11:15] <atrolinux> yeah, I hate it when Walmart sells you cd burners that don't work...
[11:15] <atrolinux> I had a router that had a similar problem recently ;)
[11:15] <Corrupter> lol, i plan on it working only once
[11:15] <HappyFool> Corrupter: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation
[11:16] <Corrupter> sweet, thanks
[11:16] <Corrupter> ... "this page does not exist yet"
[11:16] <HappyFool> hmm
[11:16] <Madpilot> Corrupter: that URL works here...
[11:17] <appleman> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4777
[11:17] <atrolinux> okay, this is my forum post with more detail about my problem, for anybody who wants to help me further: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=505772
[11:17] <Corrupter> like i said, i'll buy a CD burner and take it back
[11:20] <anavim> oo, installation from usb drive looks cool  :)
[11:20] <deFrysk> !gpgerr
[11:20] <ubotu> methinks gpgerr is If you get GPG errors when accessing the Ubuntu archives, sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*Release*
[11:21] <DrSpin> what do I do if I killed apt
[11:21] <DrSpin> sudo: apt-get: command not found
[11:21] <raphink> ?
[11:22] <DrSpin> I was trying to downgrade to GCC 3.4 (oops) and it started uninstalling things -- I cancelled out of it and now apt is broken
[11:22] <HappyFool> DrSpin: doh
[11:22] <DrSpin> indeed
[11:22] <DrSpin> LOL
[11:22] <HappyFool> DrSpin: how about aptitude ?
[11:22] <atrolinux> DrSpin, apt-get install apt-get
[11:22] <raphink> haha
[11:22] <raphink> DrSpin: you can find the deb online and install it
[11:22] <raphink> ;)
[11:22] <DrSpin> LOL --- tried that ;)
[11:22] <atrolinux> hehe
[11:22] <anavim> Corrupter, oh, my mistake. you can install directly from windows:   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/FromWindows
[11:22] <Rubin> DrSpin: do you have dpkg?
[11:22] <DrSpin> yes thankfully :)
[11:23] <HappyFool> i have gcc-3.4 and normal 'gcc' (4.0) living together happily; the install was fairly simple
[11:23] <Rubin> yeah. wget the .deb and use dpkg -i to install it
[11:25] <DrSpin> HappyFool: I'm just trying to get vmware to compile the kernel module and never set the CC variable so it wasn't working -- :S
[11:25] <DrSpin> just wasn't paying attention
[11:26] <anavim> Rubin, yeah, but how about making a fat binary from gcc3 and gcc4?
[11:26] <ColD_7> how can i open an program cd in ubuntu?
[11:27] <klepas> moin moin
[11:27] <ColD_7> it can be opened in windows but not ubuntu
[11:27] <klepas> my cds have arrived. wohoo.
[11:27] <klepas> http://wombat.nuxified.com/files/pcdv0005.jpg
[11:28] <HappyFool> ColD_7: what CD is it? and what do you want to happen?
[11:29] <ColD_7> HappyFool, it is my education cd, and i want it to start
[11:29] <ColD_7> it is an autostart cd in windows
[11:29] <sazwerx> how to start gdesklets automatically when my computer started and without the "manage desklets" window open?
[11:29] <HappyFool> ColD_7: if it is written for windows, there's a strong possibility it won't work in linux
[11:30] <ColD_7> HappyFool, thanks
[11:30] <klepas> ColD_7: the autostart is a windows application
[11:30] <HappyFool> ColD_7: you should see a CD icon on your desktop -- you can double-click that to explore the contents of the CD
[11:30] <Madpilot> ColD_7: it should show up in the file manager, though
[11:30] <klepas> ColD_7: most likely an exe file
[11:30] <DrSpin> wget http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/apt/apt_<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu9_i386.deb
[11:30] <HappyFool> ColD_7: if it has images/HTML or whatever, you can at least see those
[11:30] <Liwyn> hi
[11:30] <DrSpin> the two newer versions wouldn't work :S
[11:30] <DrSpin> dependency issues
[11:30] <DrSpin> but I got it working - thanks :)
[11:30] <Liwyn> can someone help me?
[11:31] <raphink> what's your pb Liwyn ?
[11:31] <ColD_7> thanks
[11:31] <Liwyn> raphink: I'm trying to install the ipw2200 wireless network drivers
[11:32] <crimsun> Liwyn: they already exist
[11:32] <Liwyn> Yes, but I was to upgrade them to 1.0.0
[11:32] <crimsun> Liwyn: 1.0.6 is in Breezy
[11:33] <Liwyn> Okey
[11:33] <Liwyn> but a question... umm...
[11:33] <Liwyn> why can't I use the command make ?
[11:33] <ghostpsalm> Device-Mapper utilities, package name in Ubuntu?
[11:34] <crimsun> !info dmraid
[11:35] <ubotu> dmraid: (tool to manage some hardware (S)ATA raid controllers), section universe/admin, is optional. Version: 0.9.9+1.0.0.rc9-0ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 112 kB, Installed size: 428 kB
[11:35] <Liwyn> guess I have to reinstall then :P
[11:35] <Hobbsee> Liwyn: apt-get install build-essential
[11:35] <reter> hello
[11:35] <reter> anyone here?
[11:35] <crimsun> Liwyn: why would you need to reinstall?
[11:35] <Hobbsee> reter: plenty of people, around 587 currently :P
[11:36] <johnnybezak> i'm here
[11:36] <johnnybezak> lurking in the dark
[11:36] <igge> hello hello
[11:37] <reter> i need some help setting up alsa in my thinkpad 390... here is the website http://www.linux-laptop.net/hosted/Thinkpad390.html
[11:37] <Goshawk> do gpg uses rsa keys by default
[11:37] <Goshawk> ?
[11:37] <crimsun> Goshawk: no, elgamal
[11:37] <Goshawk> ops.. does gpg use rsa keys by default?
[11:37] <reter> according to the website i need OPL3SA2 in order for the sound to work on this laptop
[11:37] <Goshawk> "elgamal"?
[11:37] <reter> can anyone help me to set this up?
[11:37] <Liwyn> crimsun: maybe not thanks to Hobbsee
[11:37] <igge> someone here who would be kind enough to help me troubleshoot a bit? my problem is the the sound doesn't work.. it's just dead silent...
[11:38] <Hobbsee> Liwyn: did it owrk?
[11:38] <Hobbsee> igge: what type of soundcard?
[11:38] <Liwyn> Hobbsee: It's not finished executing yet
[11:38] <crimsun> reter: do you know your hardware information for that sound chipset?
[11:39] <crimsun> Goshawk: read the gnupg documentation at the very least
[11:39] <igge> Hobbsee: heh.. good question actually... dont't know.. how do I find out?
[11:39] <reter> crimsun, do you know what to do?
[11:39] <Goshawk> crimsun, ok understood thanks
[11:39] <Hobbsee> um
[11:39] <igge> Hobbsee: it is an the motherboard
[11:39] <reter> crimsun, what info do i meed to know?
[11:39] <Liwyn> Hobbsee: Well, I read some things on the ubuntu site and so after several d/cs I decided to try to update :)
[11:39] <crimsun> reter: you need to know the port, dma1, dma2, and irq info
[11:39] <Liwyn> but might have been another reason
[11:39] <Hobbsee> igge: check in alsamixer that everything's turned up, and then try muting headphone jack sense, and line jack sense
[11:40] <crimsun> reter: install isapnptools from universe and give me the output from ''pnpdump'' via http://paste.ubuntulinux.l
[11:40] <crimsun> reter: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl rather
[11:42] <antti> Hi, do enyone have ATI Radeon X300 SE and how can I make it work
[11:42] <Liwyn> Hobbsee: Do you know why I can't issue the make command? ;/
[11:43] <antti> my ubuntu is 5.10 (breezy), 64-bit PC
[11:43] <reter> how do i open isapnptools?
[11:43] <reter> is it in the gnome panel?
[11:43] <Hobbsee> Liwyn: have you tried it again, after installing build-essential?
[11:43] <anavim> Liwyn, is the make tool there?
[11:43] <reter> crimsun, how do i open isapnptools?
[11:43] <reter> crimsun, is it in the gnome panel?
[11:44] <Liwyn> ahh ok thanks Hobbsee, it was for that, sorry I'm just a bit untechnical female (:
[11:44] <Hobbsee> Liwyn: no problem...and good to see another woman using linux :P
[11:44] <Hobbsee> the guys get that one wrong too :P
[11:44] <igge> Hobsee: everything looks turned up.. this is really strange... everything worked ok before when I ran debian
[11:45] <Liwyn> Hobbsee: But then I ran into an error :(
[11:45] <crimsun> reter: use it from the command line
[11:45] <Hobbsee> Liwyn: paste the error to pastebin, but i'm not sure if i'll be able to solve it
[11:45] <igge> Hobbsee: what do you mean by "muting headphone jack sense, and line jack sense" ?
[11:46] <hawknig> I live in the dormitory of my university and I applied for internet they've given me a static ip a network subnet mask, the addresses of dns-servers and wins server. I did the connection settings in windows and it worked but on ubuntu I did the same connection settings using network-admin but I can't connect to internet...what may be the problem?
[11:46] <liable> igge: in alsamixer
[11:46] <reter> crimsun: how? do i enter isapnptools in the command line?
[11:46] <crimsun> reter: Applications> Accessories> Terminal
[11:46] <Lathiat> hawknig: did you disable and re-enable the interface afterwards?
[11:47] <antti> Hellow! Is there a way to make  ATI Radeon X300 SE work in ubuntu  5.10 (breezy), 64-bit PC
[11:47] <igge> liable: the command line program "alsamixer"? (haven't used it before.. )
[11:47] <reter> crimsum, i am there. what do i enter at the command line
[11:47] <hawknig> Lathiat: yeah many times... may there be smth that is blocking the network maybe? cause I experienced a likely prob in xp with norton and zonealarm turned off I couldn't connect to internet
[11:47] <liable> jygge: wtf are you asking about lilo if you use it and are comfortable with it?
[11:47] <Lathiat> hawknig: nope shouldn tbe
[11:48] <Lathiat> hawknig: if you run ifconfig, does it show your interface?
[11:48] <Lathiat> hawknig: did you get some details wrong?
[11:48] <liable> igge: just type ' sudo alsamixer' :)
[11:49] <hawknig> Lathiat: yeah it even says eth0 is connected
[11:49] <crimsun> reter: pnpdump
[11:49] <Liwyn> Hobbsee: I think it has to do with kernel headers..
[11:49] <Lathiat> hawknig: weird
[11:49] <Lathiat> hawknig: so what 'doesnt work'
[11:49] <Lathiat> hawknig: have you tried pinging the default gateway?
[11:49] <crimsun> reter: please don't message me in private.
[11:49] <hawknig> lathiat: well I can't connect to any site
[11:49] <Lathiat> hawknig: also make sure your configuring the right device i guess
[11:49] <reter> crimsum, no boards found it saids
[11:49] <Lathiat> hawknig: ok, well try a ping
[11:50] <Lathiat> hawknig: e.g. 'ping <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:50] <Lathiat> hawknig: or, even better, ping the default gateway settings ip
[11:50] <thoreauputic> hi apokryphos :)
[11:50] <hawknig> lathiat: okie I'll try that
[11:50] <andi5> hawknig: you might try to "cat /etc/resolv.conf", maybe it does not print your dns servers correctly - try to "ping www.google.com" too :)
[11:50] <Lathiat> hawknig: if both of those work, it might be a dns issue
[11:50] <crimsun> reter: reboot, go into bios, and turn on "easyboot"/"quickboot", then try ''pnpdump'' again
[11:50] <apokryphos> hiya thoreauputic; how've ya been?
[11:50] <igge> liable: yep ok... so in here... Master is turned up, and PCM is turned up.. but i don't see where to do "muting headphone jack sense, and line jack sense"
[11:51] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: variable ;) How about you? iwas worried the thought police had got to you ;-)
[11:51] <reter> ok
[11:51] <ulaas> hi all! iwant to update my i386 breezy installation to amd64 in a way like dist-upgrade
[11:51] <Lathiat> igge: move over the headphone and line jack bits and hit 'm'
[11:51] <Lathiat> ulaas: You can't do that
[11:51] <ulaas> is this possible?
[11:51] <Lathiat> ulaas: You must do a new install
[11:51] <liable> igge: the second headphone and the second line ones.
[11:51] <ulaas> Lathiat, gurp
[11:52] <ulaas> Lathiat, then i am gonna live with k7 kernel
[11:52] <liable> igge: mute them by pressing <>
[11:53] <igge> hm still don't get which one.. sorry.. these are the ones that I have:  < Master >Master M  Master S   PCM    Surround  Surround  Center     LFE      Line      CD       Mic    Mic Boos  Mic Sele  Phone   PC Speak    Aux    Mono Out  Channel  Downmix   Exchange Exchange External  Spread F<Stereo M>
[11:54] <liable> igge: hmm, what is that card? a sb or something?
[11:55] <igge> liable: from alsamixer...
[11:55] <igge> Card: Intel ICH6
[11:55] <igge> Chip: Analog Devices AD1986
[11:55] <atrolinux> Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :  SET failed on device eth1 ; Operation not permitted. <--- what might cause this?
[11:55] <liable> igge: i jumped in late on the convo. (and prolly should have kept my mouth shut) just heard someone mention jack sense which was a sound problem i had on an older kernel once..
[11:56] <crimsun> igge: paste the output from ''amixer'' onto http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:57] <igge> liable: i see... well.. any help is much appreciated, the problem is that everything *sems* to work fine with the audio but it's just silent... like if the speakers where turned off (but they are not, i've checked 1000 times)
[11:57] <igge> crimsun: ok hang on
[11:58] <igge> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4781
[11:58] <liable> igge: sudo cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp
[11:59] <igge> liable: bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
[12:00] <igge> (i'm running xmms that looks like it is playing things)
[12:00] <liable> igge: sudo lsof /dev/dsp
[12:00] <orzin> why cant I edit the mp3 tags in rythmbox
[12:00] <spudse> my ubuntu needs to be restarted every day... feels like I just installed win95
[12:00] <liable> hah
[12:00] <thoreauputic> igge: kill xmms and reset it to use the esd output plugin
[12:00] <igge> liable: xmms    9409 igge    9w   CHR   14,3      7739 /dev/dsp
[12:01] <igge> thoreauputic: hm ok... how do I do that?
[12:01] <apokryphos> orzin: your user doesn't have permission to edit the given files?
[12:01] <liable> igge: kill xmms
[12:01] <crimsun> igge: have you tried muting 'External Amplifier'?
[12:01] <reter> crimsun, i couldnt find easyboot or quickboot in the bios
[12:02] <orzin> apokryphos, yeah, i created them
[12:02] <thoreauputic> igge: killall xmms ;  then look in options- preferences in xmms and reset the output plugin
[12:02] <reter> crimsum, is there another way to look up the info
[12:02] <orzin> apokryphos, but i should really check this before i shout around....real sorry
[12:02] <crimsun> reter: perhaps the info you need is in the bios.
[12:02] <thoreauputic> igge: common issue - try other outputs if that doesn't work
[12:02] <crimsun> reter: otherwise you'll have to guess
[12:02] <apokryphos> orzin: if you right-click on the files, and then try editing the meta-data from there, is it possible?
[12:02] <orzin> apokryphos, but it was a problem for someone else as well...i really like rythmbox
[12:03] <orzin> apokryphos, thats my problem...
[12:03] <reter> crimsun, tell me or less where do i find port, dmal, dma2, and irq
[12:03] <orzin> apokryphos, it won tlet me change the text...i can select it
[12:03] <reter> crimsun, there are many kinds of ira irq
[12:03] <orzin> apokryphos, but i will get back to you in five...i must check the octals
[12:03] <apokryphos> orzin: if you right-click in Nautilus or whatever, I mean.
[12:03] <thoreauputic> orzin: install tagtool - it is nice for editing tags
[12:04] <orzin> apokryphos, ohhhh...that iwll check too...cheers back in five
[12:05] <igge> thoreauputic: you mean the plugin that says eSound Output Plugin... (libesdout.so) ?
[12:05] <thoreauputic> igge: yes
[12:05] <crimsun> reter: in the bios or where else?
[12:06] <appleman> Can anyone suggest why GRUB cannot find /boot/grub/stage1; though it does exist?
[12:06] <reter> which irq do i look for
[12:06] <thoreauputic> igge: from memory it's at the bottom
[12:06] <igge> thoreauputic: ok.. made on difference...
[12:06] <reter> crimsun, which port are you looking for
[12:06] <igge> :(
[12:06] <crimsun> reter: ...the one associated with your sound chipset
[12:06] <igge> and also... the sound doesn't work anywhere, not just in xmms
[12:07] <reter> ok
[12:07] <crimsun> igge: did you toggle the mixer element as I suggested?
[12:08] <igge> crimsun: yep tried that just now.. no luck... :(
[12:08] <crimsun> igge: is this a fresh Breezy install or a dist-upgrade from Hoary?
[12:09] <orzin> apokryphos, ok...ichaged the permission octals of whole lot. and the propeties dialog box has no edit fields
[12:09] <orzin> apokryphos, and when i mouse ove the mp3s i no longer get a preview
[12:10] <igge> crimsun: it is a fresh Breezy install.. however, my /home directory was on another partition and i kept it when installing (so maybe some config files was still there, i don't know)
[12:10] <crimsun> igge: cat /proc/asound/cards
[12:10] <appleman> Can anyone suggest why GRUB cannot find /boot/grub/stage1; though it does exist?
[12:10] <igge> btw, when I start xmms it says "Message: device: default" .. haven't seen it do that before...
[12:10] <igge> 0 [ICH6           ] : ICH4 - Intel ICH6
[12:10] <igge>                      Intel ICH6 with AD1986 at 0xdffffe00, irq 23
[12:11] <apokryphos> orzin: can you do an ls -lh in that directory, and show me one of the lines
[12:11] <crimsun> igge: "default..." what?
[12:11] <igge> heh.. just that... on a single line: Message: device: default
[12:12] <crimsun> ah, ok, that's normal.
[12:12] <igge> ok
[12:12] <crimsun> igge: aplay /usr/share/sounds/startup.wav
[12:12] <gfish> whats the best program to put music on an ipod
[12:12] <apokryphos> gfish: amaroK :D
[12:13] <gfish> will i need to format my ipod before
[12:13] <igge> it says "Playing WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/startup.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Stereo" but doesn't play anything
[12:13] <gfish> because it was formatted within windows
[12:13] <crimsun> igge: does it hang, or does it return you to a prompt
[12:13] <apokryphos> gfish: no, I presume it's vfat
[12:14] <igge> crimsun i returns to the prompt (after about 10 sec)
[12:14] <crimsun> igge: ok, then something's muted that shouldn't be.
[12:14] <gfish> its what it was formatted in windows
[12:14] <gfish> but i dont know the system
[12:14] <orzin> apokryphos, i'll pastebin it for you
[12:14] <crimsun> igge: unmute the 'Exchange Front/Surround' element, then unmute the 'Surround' ones
[12:15] <igge> crimsun: ok... hang on...
[12:15] <reter> crimsun, i found dma1, dma2, and irq but not port
[12:16] <crimsun> reter: ok, and what are they?
[12:16] <igge> crimsun: ALRITE!!!! wohoo...
[12:16] <reter> crimsun, dma a: dma0 , dma b: dma1 , irq: irq5
[12:16] <igge> it worked..
[12:16] <crimsun> igge: excellent.
[12:17] <igge> crimsun: thanks alot
[12:17] <crimsun> np.
[12:18] <reter> crimsun, what do i do now?
[12:21] <gfish> how can i set up my gmail account
[12:21] <gfish> is there a notifier of some kind
[12:21] <igge> crimsun: hm this is wierd though... it doesn't react at all to "Master", instead it is "Master Surround".. do you know why that is?
[12:22] <reter> crimsun, did you get what i gave you?
[12:22] <crimsun> igge: of course. You switched Front and surround, remember?
[12:22] <crimsun> reter: yes, be patient.
[12:22] <Seveas> !themes
[12:23] <sazwerx> !help
[12:23] <igge> crimsun: hm ok... the "Exchange Front/Surround" thing?
[12:23] <crimsun> reter: in a Terminal, sudo modprobe snd-opl3sa2 irq=5 dma1=0 dma2=1 port=0x120 wss_port=0x530 fm_port=-1 midi_port=-1 isapnp=0
[12:23] <crimsun> igge: yes.
[12:23] <igge> crimsun: actually, even if i mute that thing it is Master Surround it reacts to
[12:24] <crimsun> igge: come again?
[12:24] <reter> uh oh problem crimsun
[12:25] <brownie17> i am having a few issues with the Gstreamer-Rhythmbox id3 tag editing feature. i understand it is use at your own risk, and experimental. when i run rhythmbox with the "--enable-tag-writing" flag, as dictated on "http://www.gnome.org/projects/rhythmbox/faq.html", it still just does not even try to allow me to edit tags. in the text box containing the tag if i press backspace, or another key, it just does nothing. anyone tried usi
[12:25] <brownie17> ng the tag editing feature?
[12:25] <reter> FATAL: Error inserting snd_opl3sa2 (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/isa/snd-opl3sa2.ko): No such device
[12:25] <reter> FATAL: Error running install command for snd_opl3sa2
[12:25] <reter> crimsun, FATAL: Error inserting snd_opl3sa2 (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/isa/snd-opl3sa2.ko): No such device
[12:25] <reter> FATAL: Error running install command for snd_opl3sa2
[12:25] <igge> if i in alsamixer turn off the "Exchange Front/Surround", it is still the "Master Surround" control that controls the volume...
[12:26] <igge> the "Master" doesn't affect it at all... and the control on the desktop does nothing either
[12:26] <crimsun> reter: you have to use the correct port parameter
[12:26] <crimsun> igge: set the Volume Control to use Master Surround, then
[12:27] <reter> crimsun, how do i find that out?
[12:27] <igge> crimsun: ah ok that worked
[12:27] <appleman> Where do i find grub.conf?
[12:27] <gfish> why do my mp3s only play in totem player
[12:28] <martinjh99> appleman /boot/menu
[12:28] <crimsun> reter: look in your bios
[12:28] <igge> crimsun: so thanks alot and so, everything works fine... but... still i'm a bit curious why it switched to start using surround all of a sudden
[12:28] <HappyFool> appleman: maybe /boot/grub/menu.lst is what you want
[12:28] <crimsun> igge: it's a chipset quirk
[12:28] <gfish> why cant i see anyone in my network
[12:29] <igge> crimsun: ok
[12:29] <brosioz> anyone known if exist anything to similar of dashboard of mac for kde on linux ?
[12:29] <lingoist> good morning! hm, I am wondering if I need/can use Nvidia drivers in order to set up dualmonitoring...my graphics adaper #1 is ATI Radeon 9800, #2 is Elsa Victory Erazor (quite old)
[12:30] <Astxist> brosioz, there is one floating around, but I'd be damned if I can remember it's name
[12:30] <brosioz> Astxist, :
[12:30] <appleman> martinjh99: /boot/grub/menu does not exist?  I am trying to 'make sure that the kernel line in your grub.conf file is referring to that partition'.
[12:30] <lingoist> I got already both screens working but they show the same
[12:30] <HappyFool> lingoist: at a guess you'll need ati drivers for the ati ;). not sure about the other card
[12:30] <HappyFool> appleman: it's /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:30] <HappyFool> !tell lingoist about ati
[12:31] <Astxist> ati is evil
[12:31] <Astxist> er I mean, nothing :)
[12:31] <lingoist> thanks HappyFool ... but do I really install these drivers...as I said: both screens are working but they just show the same
[12:32] <HappyFool> lingoist: i'm not sure about dual-screen
[12:32] <brownie17> Astxist, you are evil, boy! ATI is the only chink in Nvidia's dominating armour, the monopoly that it has over the grpahics card industry!
[12:32] <lingoist> hm, anyone else an idea what I have to do?
[12:32] <Astxist> brownie17, heh I was joking got an ati card myself ;p
[12:33] <gfish> how do u set up a shared printer
[12:33] <elwood> it's safe tu upgrade to breezy?
[12:33] <aeon17x> elwood: yeah... what are you worrying about?
[12:34] <lingoist> hm, xinerama is "on" but nothings happening...would really appreciate any hints to get this running
[12:34] <elwood> my uml will stop works? i will have problem with a lot  of crashing?
[12:34] <lingoist> just my desktop is mirrored to both screens
[12:35] <appleman> HappyFool:  I am still getting this error, 'Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... no' - I read somewhere it is a kernel image problem...?
[12:35] <brownie17> Astxist, same
[12:35] <HappyFool> appleman: when do you see that error?
[12:35] <HappyFool> lingoist: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=xineram&titlesearch=Titles
[12:36] <lingoist> HappyFool: thx, been there already :(
[12:36] <HappyFool> lingoist: ah, then i really am out of ideas, sorry.
[12:36] <appleman> HappyFool: In GRUB prompt, everything else (device, geometry, root) works fine, then when I try 'setup (hd0)' I get the error.
[12:36] <HappyFool> hmm
[12:36] <lingoist> HappyFool: I am too :( thx anyways
[12:37] <HappyFool> appleman: what 'root' command have you issued? and is there a /boot/grub/stage1 file ?
[12:38] <appleman> HappyFool: Yes, stage1 file exists.  Just 'root (hd0,1)'
[12:38] <brownie17> what is the command to untar a file?
[12:38] <brownie17> sorry, i mean to un GZ it
[12:38] <HappyFool> appleman: and where is / mounted?
[12:39] <zerokarmaleft> brownie17: tar zxvf foo.tar.gz
[12:39] <brownie17> someone HAS to know the command to unzip a file from terminal
[12:39] <brownie17> thankyou
[12:39] <zerokarmaleft> brownie17: or gunzip foo.gz if it's just a gzipped file
[12:39] <anavim> appleman, you are probably giving the wrong number for the partition when you are entering the root (0,0) command
[12:39] <appleman> HappyFool:  I have 'chroot /ubuntu' - where I am now.
[12:39] <anavim> root(0,x)...
[12:40] <HappyFool> appleman: um
[12:40] <HappyFool> appleman: this is a grub-recovery procedure?
[12:40] <HappyFool> appleman: from a live-cd?
[12:40] <appleman> HappyFool:  This is a, 'try to get fakeraid to work' procedure - to boot from it.
[12:41] <HappyFool> appleman: ok
[12:41] <ulle> I'm trying to set up java and it says I need superuser privilege but Im using the only user I have on this computer so what to do
[12:41] <HappyFool> appleman: you are irc'ing from the same machine?
[12:41] <anavim> !tell ulle about rootsudo
[12:42] <HappyFool> appleman: assuming so, can you paste the output of 'mount' and 'sudo fdisk -l' to paste.ubuntulinux.nl (don't paste here in #ubuntu, please)
[12:42] <appleman> HappyFool:  In the FakeRaidHowTo I was told to do a 'geometry' thing for my HDD, did that - root partition is on 'Partition num 1:'
[12:42] <hawknig> what will the name of ubuntu's next version be?
[12:42] <thoreauputic> Dapper Drake :)
[12:43] <brownie17> who feels like quickly running me through compiling a program?
[12:43] <HappyFool> appleman: hmm
[12:43] <HappyFool> appleman: i haven't worked with fakeraid before
[12:43] <deFrysk> brownie17, someone on #gentoo perhaps
[12:43] <thoreauputic> brownie17:  ./configure && make && make install
[12:43] <anavim> hawknig, 6.04
[12:43] <HappyFool> !tell brownie17 about compile
[12:43] <thoreauputic> brownie17: well, that was quick :P
[12:44] <brownie17> thoreauputic, sure was!
[12:44] <HappyFool> where in the world is .ma ?
[12:45] <deFrysk> maladives ?
[12:45] <brownie17>  thoreauputic i didn't even open the folder, i just guessed it needed compiling, but it doesn't. anyone know how to install "desklets" for rhythmbox
[12:46] <appleman> HappyFool:  I think the fake raid stuff is now kind of sorted; according to a gentoo howto - I need to rebuild/do something to the kernel image.
[12:46] <appleman> HappyFool: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4783
[12:46] <brownie17> HappyFool, there has a got to be a webstie that can tell you all those. check
[12:46] <HappyFool> brownie17: yeah, wikipedia
[12:46] <HappyFool> appleman: am looking now
[12:47] <brownie17> anyone ever  used "desktlets" for rhythmbox?
[12:47] <marcin> is dapper repository available somewhere?
[12:48] <peter__> hi
[12:48] <deFrysk> marcin, replace breezy with dapper and /topic
[12:48] <peter__> i have a problem with doom3, can anyone help me?
[12:48] <marcin> deFrysk: thanks
[12:48] <peter__> the problem is, doom 3 is starting, but i don't see the starting movie, and the menu don't appear
[12:49] <ke> Try a new gfx driver
[12:49] <peter__> just the "mars planet" is visible
[12:49] <peter__> Ati cart
[12:49] <lsuactiafner> what linux p2p app currently works through NAT and has the most content?
[12:49] <appleman> HappyFool: "This error is returned if the specified file name cannot be found, but everything else (like the disk/partition info) is OK.
[12:49] <appleman> Frequently, the error notes a missing kernel image file. Make sure that the file it is referring to exists on your boot partition."
[12:49] <ke> Try a new driver... Perhaps try the omega one
[12:49] <peter__> i'm running linux?
[12:49] <peter__> Ubuntu
[12:49] <HappyFool> appleman: is there a kernel image in /boot ?
[12:50] <peter__> can anyone help me out, i realy would like to play doom
[12:51] <HappyFool> appleman: i'm feeling distinctly out of my depth ;). I've setup software raid, but your setup is confusing to me. I see / is mounted on /dev/hda1, but you raid is on /dev/sda and /dev/sdb
[12:51] <peter__> and i don't wone run windows
[12:51] <appleman> HappyFool:  I recently copied bzImage from the /usr/src/linux/arch/x86_64/boot/ folder to try to fix this.
[12:51] <HappyFool> appleman: my kernel image is called /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-k7
[12:52] <HappyFool> appleman: hmm
[12:52] <HappyFool> appleman: doesn't the debootstrap install a kernel image?
[12:52] <HappyFool> appleman: ah, didn't you do and 'apt-get install linx-amd64' ?
[12:52] <appleman> HappyFool:  I guess the /dev/hda1 is the CHROOT version of /dev/mapper/via_cfdehjfb1
[12:52] <HappyFool> (that package name is a guess)
[12:54] <appleman> HappyFool: Debootstrap was not working, so I install a server version of ubuntu to a separate hdd and copied it all across.  But then I re-built a 'new' kernel to add-in all the software raid drivers as static... I may have forgot to copy the Image acrosss...
[12:55] <HappyFool> hmm
[12:55] <MrFreeBird> hi guys
[12:55] <mahangu> what stuff can I safely strip from my init.d to speed up by boot process?
[12:56] <appleman> HappyFool: Updated, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4785, with 'ls -la /boot'
[12:56] <MrFreeBird> How can I see AVI and MPEG files on ubuntu? Totem does not allow it
[12:56] <MrFreeBird> I use ubuntu 5.10
[12:56] <MrFreeBird> algum brasileiro?
[12:56] <thoreauputic> !tell MrFreeBird about restricted
[12:56] <mahangu> MrFreeBird, mplayer
[12:56] <mahangu> ah sorry
[12:57] <mahangu> see thoreauputic
[12:57] <HappyFool> appleman: i think root (hd0,0) is probably not right
[12:57] <da_shrewd> hello
[12:57] <da_shrewd> anyone can help me?
[12:57] <da_shrewd> i have problem with my mouse
[12:57] <HappyFool> appleman: can you put the output of    fdisk -l /dev/mapper/via_cfdehjfb
[12:57] <HappyFool> on the pastebin
[12:57] <da_shrewd> ubuntu doesn't detect my serial mouse
[12:58] <fec> hi, im using 5.04, how to update to 5.10 ?
[12:58] <deFrysk> !upgrade
[12:58] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[12:58] <mahangu> deFrysk, beat me to it ;-)
[12:58] <mahangu> i love doing that :p
[12:58] <deFrysk> ;p
[12:58] <fec> thx
[12:59] <HappyFool> appleman: i would guess that vmlinuz-2.6.12-9-amd64-generic or vmlinuz-2.6.12 will at least get you started
[01:00] <appleman> HappyFool:  Oke, vmlinuz-2.6.12 is the one I want - it's the one I compiled, it *ought* to be working now.
[01:00] <da_shrewd> anybody can help me?
[01:01] <appleman> HappyFool: updated, I am running 'root (hd0,1)' in Grub.
[01:02] <HappyFool> appleman: from http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/4783 it looks like you have 4 partitions on your raid device
[01:02] <appleman> HappyFool:  Indeed, 1=/boot, 2=/, 3=/home, 4=swap
[01:02] <senectus> mmmm pocky :-)
[01:03] <HappyFool> appleman: hmm. then (hd0,0) *should* be right
[01:03] <julio> hola alguien me podria ayudar con programar en ubuntu en c++
[01:03] <appleman> HappyFool:  Oh, shoot - I thought root was for the '/' partition... it worked!
[01:04] <appleman> HappyFool: Cheers.
[01:04] <HappyFool> appleman: ok
[01:04] <HappyFool> appleman: good luck ;)
[01:04] <HappyFool> appleman: software raid was much easier to install ;)
[01:07] <live> Cmo est todo el mundo?
[01:07] <Seveas> !es
[01:07] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[01:09] <mahangu> Seveas, ping
[01:09] <Seveas> mahangu, ICMP ECHO RESPONSE
[01:09] <mahangu> Seveas, may I speak to you in offtopic for a sec?
[01:13] <BigKahuna> Can someone tell me how to reverse encode an avi file back to DVD (VOB) format using Breezy?
[01:14] <cloudr> VDR, can somebody help me getting a nexus-s card rev2.2 to work with VDR?
[01:15] <HappyFool> BigKahuna: at a guess use transcode, or mencoder (i haven't played with video stuff much myself)
[01:16] <HappyFool> eek
[01:17] <HappyFool> revenge of the spambots
[01:17] <BigKahuna> HappyFool, Thanks I'll google transcode.
[01:17] <patrick_> whats this?
[01:17] <cube> hello...i've a question...can I use Wine for using Corewin?
[01:18] <Seveas> grmbl
[01:18] <hawknig> breyk
[01:18] <Seveas> someone should kill either the spambot losers or the leaky-windows-running idiots
[01:19] <Juhaz> or preferably both
[01:19] <peter__> plz can anyone help me with doom3??
[01:20] <ompaul> Seveas, bot issues?
[01:20] <Seveas> ompaul, yeah
[01:20] <johndarkhorse> ompaul: spambots sUx0r
[01:20] <UdontKnow> heh
[01:20] <UdontKnow> klining
[01:21] <Seveas> ompaul, cat /dev/atomicbomb /mnt/redmond
[01:21] <johndarkhorse> UdontKnow: they're all in -unregged waitin on ya, heh heh
[01:21] <UdontKnow> johndarkhorse: did it already
[01:21] <Seveas> goo'boy ;)
[01:21] <Seveas> (read that as: thanks!)
[01:22] <ompaul> Seveas, na that would waste too much energy, cat /dev/null >  /mnt/redmond it will just a a shell of its former self
[01:23] <cube> bastards...
[01:24] <UdontKnow> ompaul: let me remind you that /dev/null never outputs anything
[01:24] <UdontKnow> ompaul: you might want /dev/zero ?
[01:24] <Seveas> /dev/urandom
[01:24] <ompaul> UdontKnow, note the single redirect
[01:24] <Seveas> people won't see the difference
[01:24] <ompaul> add it on the back and the the event horizon removes the content
[01:25] <GNAM> ubuntu 6.04 flight 1 is ready for production?
[01:25] <GNAM> .
[01:25] <Seveas> GNAM, not at all
[01:25] <Seveas> it is pre-alpha
[01:25] <GNAM> wow
[01:25] <GNAM> RECORD
[01:25] <ompaul> GNAM, read the topic - if you have to ask don't :-) I know I won't
[01:25] <Seveas> to quote kamion "It barely installs and does not do much more"
[01:25] <Seveas> but you can use apt to get up to speed
[01:26] <gnomefreak> didnt they just start development (active) like 2-3 weeks ago?
[01:26] <Seveas> yes
[01:26] <Seveas> by performing a massive merge with debian
[01:27] <gnomefreak> oh god no dont stray from ubuntu toward debian :(
[01:27] <johndarkhorse> Seveas: i ended up doing my own irssi scripts since nobody here or on #irssi has a clue why mine would stop working when i upgraded
[01:27] <ompaul> gnomefreak, if is how the other improvements were made, you have to start somewhere
[01:28] <ompaul> gnomefreak, s/if/it
[01:28] <johndarkhorse> Seveas: would moving from powerpc to ppc64 have anything to do with it?
[01:28] <gnomefreak> i have a badly broken etch on here they tell me after i spent 8hours upgradeing to etch that oh that doesnt work well :(
[01:29] <gnomefreak> debian is not on my good side this morning
[01:29] <johndarkhorse> gnomefreak: debian has NEVER been the user friendliest distro
[01:30] <gnomefreak> i didnt have too mant problems with sarge but just wanted (new cutting edge) distro so i figured hey etch is new :(
[01:30] <ompaul> gnomefreak, would you ever try to upgrade from SuSE to or from Rehat/Fedora or to or from Mandriva? ;-)
[01:31] <johndarkhorse> gnomefreak: dapper
[01:31] <gnomefreak> mandrake re writes the grub menu and takes ubuntu out of it :(
[01:31] <gnomefreak> suse is a pita
[01:31] <gnomefreak> no redhat distros see ubuntu and put it in grub
[01:31] <gnomefreak> dapper is too new
[01:31] <gnomefreak> <<not that crazy
[01:31] <ompaul> gnomefreak, LFS ?
[01:32] <gnomefreak> LFS?
[01:35] <johndarkhorse> www.linuxfromscratch.org
[01:36] <dabaR> well...if I had to, but this way...
[01:36] <gnomefreak> ompaul, i dont see me using that do to that fact that that is harder than well debian im sure
[01:37] <mintywalker> hi .. I need to recompile my kernel
[01:38] <mintywalker> but i want to ensure i get the same settings as the stock one supplied with ubuntu
[01:38] <mintywalker> any ideas how i ensure that?
[01:38] <eth42> mintywalker, I think it is: make oldconfig
[01:38] <eth42> not sure, though
[01:38] <mintywalker> k thanks
[01:38] <eth42> how do I find out which package contains X11/Xmu/WinUtil.h?
[01:39] <HappyFool> eth42: packages.ubuntu.com
[01:40] <eth42> HappyFool: ok, thank you! so there is no way to ask apt-get directly?
[01:41] <HappyFool> eth42: there is... um. apt-files, but you need to install it and it's big
[01:41] <HappyFool> eth42: 'apt-cache search' provides a limited search ability
[01:41] <eth42> HappyFool, thank you very much!
[01:43] <Toma-> hey.. ive got a problem with my network :( ive got a wireless router (Dlink g700ap) and a working wlan0 connection, but i cant ping outside of the local network, aka 192.168.0.X
[01:43] <Toma-> any tips?
[01:43] <eth42> Toma-: you don't have a firewall installed, do you?
[01:43] <johndarkhorse> eth42: if you install "apt-file" you can search in your console for files inside packages
[01:44] <Toma-> ill go see.
[01:44] <eth42> johndarkhorse: just did that :-) thanks!
[01:45] <Toma-> no firewall
[01:46] <eth42> Toma-: are the pings just ignored?
[01:46] <eth42> or is there an error message?
[01:46] <Toma-> ive tested the connection with the net from my router to the wireless point too
[01:46] <Toma-> error message...
[01:46] <Toma-> hang on
[01:47] <Toma-> network is unreachable
[01:47] <eth42> hmm, doesn't that mean that your network device is not configured?
[01:47] <Toma-> id say so.
[01:47] <Toma-> the card is working, just not configured right.
[01:47] <eth42> Toma-: does ifconfig list an ip address for the network device?
[01:47] <Taliesin-laptop> Hey guys, just reinstalling breezy on my main PC, gotten thru the first setup phase, im into the second setup phase where it boots into base-config
[01:48] <Toma-> its a static IP i have to assign it.
[01:48] <Taliesin-laptop> however it's not doing anything, i's been sitting at "preparing for installation" for 20mins
[01:48] <Taliesin-laptop> although top shows aptitude churning away, aswell as tail cranking at 60% cpu :/
[01:48] <Toma-> ill check
[01:49] <eth42> Toma-: I'm not really an expert on these issues but I would guess that the network mask and broadcast addresses are not set correctly; can't you just use DHCP?
[01:49] <Toma-> hmmm id say so.
[01:50] <Toma-> ill give it another crack with dhcp
[01:50] <Toma-> this static ip business is too much :)
[01:50] <Toma-> my DS can connect to my access point but not my linux box :(
[01:51] <eth42> DS = dose?
[01:51] <eth42> dose=windows
[01:51] <eth42> ?
[01:52] <ctd> DS would usually refer to nintendo DS (dual-screen)
[01:53] <rohan> hi all, anyone here used automatix
[01:54] <Toma-> yeh nintendo DS :D
[01:54] <rohan> ?
[01:54] <Taliesin-laptop> im taking a guess that every who could help me is sleeping :P
[01:54] <rohan> i wanna know if automatix is "unattened" ?
[01:54] <rohan> can i leave it to run and sleep ?
[01:54] <johndarkhorse> rohan: i advise agains automatix or easyubuntu or any other 'easy' script
[01:54] <rohan> or will it prompt ?
[01:54] <rohan> johndarkhorse: why ? b0rken boxen ?
[01:54] <Toma-> rohan, its automated
[01:54] <johndarkhorse> rohan: it will "auto-destruct" your box possibly
[01:54] <Toma-> and yeh, its not a good idea
[01:55] <rohan> Toma-: no prompts at all ?
[01:55] <Toma-> eth42, its all dhcp now and still no love. network still unreachable
[01:55] <Toma-> rohan not that i know of. iirc.
[01:55] <johndarkhorse> rohan: the wiki has plenty of articles on whatever you want to install
[01:55] <Toma-> perhaps for macromedia and java install
[01:55] <rohan> Toma-: reading the script off hand shows that there is one in openoffice2
[01:56] <rohan> johndarkhorse: ok, i will use apt-get :D
[01:56] <Toma-> rohan, well, i guess its not totally automated.
[01:56] <johndarkhorse> rohan: what pkgs were you looking for?
[01:56] <rohan> johndarkhorse: the mix that automatix provides is nice :)
[01:56] <Taliesin-laptop> rohan: from ubuntu forums - Please note: Options 29 to 34 require manual intervention and clicking and hence have been taken to the end. The first 28 options install without any user input.
[01:56] <Taliesin-laptop> hope that helps your question. :)
[01:56] <rohan> i want to install the full set, johndarkhorse
[01:56] <rohan> Taliesin-laptop: thanks, sorry for not reading XD
[01:56] <Taliesin-laptop> thats for automatix
[01:56] <Taliesin-laptop> no worries
[01:56] <johndarkhorse> rohan: i've not paid that much attention to those scripts except for when folks come in here with their boxen hosed
[01:57] <Taliesin-laptop> i only just googles it myself, been curious and all ;)
[01:57] <rohan> johndarkhorse: lol, how can it possibly hose a box ? its just apt-get
[01:57] <Taliesin-laptop> now if only my pc would finish install
[01:57] <Taliesin-laptop> it's been install for 50mins
[01:57] <Taliesin-laptop> and no sign of change except space and hard drive activity
[01:57] <Stormx2> !ie
[01:57] <ubotu> ie is probably Aye boyo! Head on over t' the #ubuntu-ie channel
[01:58] <johndarkhorse> rohan: the easy scripts have hosed several boxen, something to do with the --force-all options
[01:58] <Taliesin-laptop> and the fact aptitude is still cranking :/
[01:59] <Taliesin-laptop> oh god
[01:59] <headdown> hm, how can i find out what there is the best driver for my Elsa Victory Erazor PCI Graphicadapter?
[01:59] <Taliesin-laptop> the instllation has used 18gig of hard drive space so far... like.. WTF
[01:59] <headdown> btw: I finally managed to get dualscreen working, thx for your help
[01:59] <rohan> johndarkhorse: oh, ok.
[01:59] <rohan> Taliesin-laptop: install of ubuntu ?!
[01:59] <Taliesin-laptop> yeah
[02:00] <Taliesin-laptop> on my pc, it's installing onto a new drive, first phase went thru without an issue, this second bit has just been sitting there for 50mins
[02:00] <Taliesin-laptop> the two main processes that have been running are tail (im assuming it's tailing and making a huge log file)
[02:00] <Toma-> headdown, you'll want the nvidia drivers
[02:00] <Taliesin-laptop> and aptitude
[02:00] <rohan> Taliesin-laptop: lol, 18G ..
[02:00] <headdown> Toma-: ok, thx!
[02:01] <Taliesin-laptop> make that 19gig now
[02:01] <Taliesin-laptop> jeeesus
[02:01] <johndarkhorse> Taliesin-laptop: you got some newfangled 8core Pentium4 or something?
[02:01] <HappyFool> an 18GB log-file is unlikely
[02:01] <rohan> Taliesin-laptop: just cancel it. its insane.
[02:02] <Taliesin-laptop> haha
[02:02] <Taliesin-laptop> nah, looking at it now
[02:02] <rohan> the install is about 5G
[02:02] <Taliesin-laptop> base-config-pkgsel.log
[02:02] <Taliesin-laptop> 19.5gig
[02:02] <Taliesin-laptop> ;)
[02:02] <Taliesin-laptop> in /var/log
[02:02] <Taliesin-laptop> lol
[02:02] <Taliesin-laptop> log file is filled it
[02:02] <headdown> ubotu tell headdown about nvidia
[02:02] <da_shrewd> hello
[02:02] <da_shrewd> anyone can help me?
[02:02] <da_shrewd> plsss
[02:03] <johndarkhorse> Taliesin-laptop: i'd just kill it, before the log file eats your neighborhood
[02:03] <da_shrewd> i have problem with my mouse
[02:03] <headdown> hm, doesnt work...can anyone tell me about ncvidia
[02:03] <headdown> nvidia
[02:03] <Taliesin-laptop> To continue, enter "Yes"; to abort, enter "No": Unrecognized input. Enter either "Yes" or "No"
[02:03] <Taliesin-laptop> lmao
[02:03] <rohan> Taliesin-laptop: lol, rm the file
[02:03] <HappyFool> at 80 chars per line, that is 231 million lines
[02:03] <rohan> HappyFool: wow, fast calculation
[02:03] <Taliesin-laptop> hehe
[02:03] <Taliesin-laptop> wont help
[02:03] <Terminus> ubotu, tell headdown -about nvidia
[02:03] <da_shrewd> i have the website url,how to configure it
[02:03] <Taliesin-laptop> it's looking like it's stuffed the install
[02:03] <Taliesin-laptop> gah
[02:03] <HappyFool> rohan: yeah, computers are great ;)
[02:03] <Taliesin-laptop> WHY... WHY ME!!!
[02:04] <rohan> HappyFool: lol
[02:04] <headdown> Terminus: thx...how can I do that myself?
[02:04] <rohan> Taliesin-laptop: lol, use another distro :D ;)
[02:04] <Terminus> headdown, do what?
[02:04] <headdown> tell myself about nvidia...invoke ubotu
[02:04] <da_shrewd> but i think, i'm not expert with terminal.
[02:04] <devint> if i was Mark Shuttleworth I'd see more collaboration between GNOME + KDE, and even go so far as to see more collaboration between Linux and all the BSD's
[02:04] <da_shrewd> the url is http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/3-Button-Mouse.html
[02:04] <headdown> Terminus: tell myself about nvidia...invoke ubotu
[02:04] <da_shrewd> anybody can show me step by step
[02:05] <rohan> devint: whats the use /
[02:05] <Terminus> headdown, use the same syntax i did. instructions on how to use the bot is on the wiki.
[02:05] <Taliesin-laptop> rohan, but i like ubuntu :(
[02:05] <rohan> Taliesin-laptop: heh, ok.
[02:05] <headdown> Terminus: thank you
[02:05] <Terminus> headdown, np. :)
[02:05] <apokryphos> devint: that's a *very* key point he's stressing -- he did a whole talk on it not too long ago. Collaboration is going to be better, and there's gonna be a lot more love for kubuntu on dapper release
[02:05] <headdown> ubotu, tell headdown about nvidia
[02:05] <da_shrewd> hello,anybody can show me? :(
[02:05] <rohan> devint: and, define "c
[02:05] <rohan> devint: and, define "collabaration between linux and bsd"
[02:06] <Terminus> headdown, btw, playing with the bot is frowned upon in here. you could pm the bot though.
[02:06] <headdown> Terminus: thx, just found it out...sorry
[02:06] <Stormx2>  /msg ubotu <blacK>
[02:06] <Stormx2> *blah o.o
[02:07] <rohan> apokryphos: but devint 's point between collabaration between linux and bsd is absurd
[02:07] <Stormx2> Whats so absurd about it, fill me in?
[02:07] <krak`nix> anyone know how to setup color schemes with xboard?
[02:07] <apokryphos> rohan: collaboration occurs between all UNIX operating systems, even if you don't know it.
[02:07] <rohan> Stormx2: what does he mean by that, in the first place ?
[02:07] <rohan> apokryphos: define "collabaration"
[02:08] <devint> well
[02:08] <apokryphos> rohan: get a dictionary
[02:08] <Stormx2> XD
[02:08] <rohan> apokryphos: not funny.
[02:08] <apokryphos> I'm deadly serious
[02:08] <Terminus> well, UNIX operating systems mostly have the same apps. :)
[02:08] <devint> by collaboration between linux and bsd i mean what it says
[02:08] <devint> take for instance
[02:08] <devint> openssh
[02:08] <devint> that CAME from openbsd
[02:08] <Taliesin-laptop> mmm, installing over net @ 8MB/sec
[02:08] <Taliesin-laptop> yummy
[02:08] <Stormx2> >.> lucky sod
[02:09] <devint> the bsd's are doing some pretty revolutionary things with security
[02:09] <Terminus> Taliesin-laptop, you're making me very jealous. :p
[02:09] <devint> linux could even learn from dragonflybsd
[02:09] <Taliesin-laptop> i do run the File Mirror for the ISP ;)
[02:09] <devint> especially
[02:09] <Taliesin-laptop> and im, about 50 meters from it ;)
[02:09] <devint> haha
[02:09] <rohan> devint: so, you mean, taking good stuff from bsd and putting it into linux  ?
[02:09] <rohan> thats great, then :D
[02:09] <Terminus> hahaha
[02:10] <rohan> Casanova: the fun is over, sorry :D
[02:10] <Casanova> if rohan has been creating trouble here.. he is just a tiny little focker ;-)
[02:10] <Taliesin-laptop> 800 packages, 1min 10seconds :)
[02:10] <Stormx2> >.>
[02:10] <rohan> Casanova: thanks a lot, for speaking on my behalf.
[02:11] <Taliesin-laptop> not a bad efforrt ;)
[02:11] <rohan> but i dont really appreciate int.
[02:11] <rohan> and i request you to mind your own business.
[02:11] <bob2> probably plenty, folks.
[02:11] <rohan> Taliesin-laptop: wow, 8mbps is unheard-of here
[02:11] <Terminus> devint, i think you just want one ultimate distro. :p
[02:11] <rohan> Taliesin-laptop: the maximum affordable here is 26kbps
[02:12] <Terminus> rohan, you mean dialup?
[02:12] <rohan> Terminus: no. "cable"
[02:12] <rohan> Terminus: the cable net is very expensive.
[02:12] <Terminus> rohan, 26kbps?! isn't that slower than dialup?
[02:12] <Astxist> note to self: do not unmount usbdisk while nautilus is browsing it, it's bad ;)
[02:12] <rohan> Terminus: and speeds in mbps is rare, and expensive
[02:12] <rohan> Terminus: dial up here is 2kbps
[02:12] <Taliesin-laptop> haha, im not talking mbps thou, MB/sec :)
[02:12] <Astxist> 2kbps :/
[02:13] <Astxist> that's horrible
[02:13] <Terminus> rohan, oh... you mean Kbps. thought that was in bits. :p
[02:13] <Astxist> talking about modem speed
[02:13] <rohan> Terminus: yeah, my bad
[02:13] <Astxist> anyone know how to tell what speed you're connected at?
[02:13] <Terminus> rohan, i'll count myself lucky then. i'm getting 90 Kbps here. :)
[02:13] <rohan> Astxist: download speed over cable is 26kbps ,connection speed 256kbps
[02:14] <rohan> Terminus: here bieng ?
[02:14] <rohan> *being
[02:14] <Terminus> Astxist, make sure no other computers are using bandwidth and then you can check at http://www.internetfrog.com
[02:14] <Astxist> oh
[02:14] <rohan> apokryphos: hey... havent we met before ? you are the guy who swore by Qt
[02:14] <Astxist> you're talking about kBps
[02:14] <Terminus> rohan, you mean country?
[02:14] <Astxist> got it now :)
[02:14] <rohan> apokryphos: and even recomended me a lot of Qt apps
[02:14] <Astxist> Terminus, I meant modem speed
[02:14] <rohan> Terminus: yes. /me is india
[02:15] <Astxist> connection rate
[02:15] <Terminus> rohan, philippines here.
[02:15] <rohan> apokryphos: back then i was da_bon_bon :D
[02:15] <rohan> Terminus: ok.
[02:15] <Taliesin-laptop> Australia here :)
[02:15] <Astxist> not trasfer rate
[02:15] <bob2> ah
[02:15] <apokryphos> rohan: swore by Qt? Perhaps. I am a KDE-user
[02:15] <Astxist> Taliesin-laptop, same here :)
[02:15] <Taliesin-laptop> :>
[02:15] <Terminus> Astxist, check your modem manual? :)
[02:15] <Terminus> my bad.
[02:15] <rohan> apokryphos: yes, i remember. on #kubuntu. :)
[02:15] <bob2> internetfrog looks kinda useless
[02:15] <Taliesin-laptop> central? or east or west? :P
[02:15] <Astxist> Terminus, ;p
[02:16] <Terminus> bob2, i just use it for checking bandwidth. nothing else. there's always cnet. :)
[02:16] <bob2> how does it check bandwidth?
[02:16] <Terminus> bob2, actually, that's what the ISP here uses to check so i just go along with them.
[02:16] <bob2> why not wget an ubuntu iso?
[02:16] <rohan> lol
[02:16] <rohan> thats a nice way
[02:16] <Terminus> there's a java applet there for that.
[02:16] <rohan> msv.dk is nice too
[02:16] <Terminus> well, don't want to strain the ubuntu servers when all i'm doing is checking bandwidth. :)
[02:17] <bob2> it also says I'm in australia
[02:17] <bob2> and shows my location as somewhere off the west coast
[02:17] <sapo> hi fellows, quick question.. after installing breezy, my vlc, bittornado and other apps that when in hoary had a gtk look, now looks like some old apps without my gtk theme.. what am i missing?
[02:19] <Taliesin-laptop> but i work for an ISP :)
[02:19] <Astxist> ;p
[02:19] <Taliesin-laptop> no you dont, or you have to deal with Whingepoolers :)
[02:20] <Terminus> Taliesin-laptop, what's that?
[02:20] <vbgunz> does Ubuntu come with a VNC viewer by default for remote administration OR do I have to download one? I would like to control the computers in my room... Any help is appreciated!
[02:20] <Astxist> Taliesin-laptop, could I be hired for managing them >:)
[02:20] <Taliesin-laptop> ahh, www.whirlpool.net.au is a Broadband forum for Australia, we call it whingepool cause most customers on it whinge :)
[02:20] <Astxist> lol
[02:20] <vbgunz> oh sorry... I think I got it
[02:20] <vbgunz> will find out now
[02:21] <johndarkhorse> bob2: would moving from powerpc to ppc64 have anything to do with auto_bleh.pl misworking?
[02:21] <Taliesin-laptop> Astxist, not up to me ;)
[02:21] <Taliesin-laptop> we already have 3 staff who sit there with whips, we seem to manage them well ;)
[02:21] <Astxist> heh I'm going to stick with my current provider if I ever get to a location that I can have broadband at
[02:21] <Astxist> Taliesin-laptop, lol
[02:22] <bob2> johndarkhorse: very unlikely
[02:22] <Terminus> vbgunz, the Terminal Server client that was installed by default seems to support it. :)
[02:22] <bob2> especially since I'm pretty sure ubuntu does not have a ppc64 port yet ;p
[02:22] <Astxist> wow my friends site kills firefox good, 100% cpu usage just scrolling down the page :)
[02:23] <vbgunz> Terminus: thanks, am trying now :)
[02:24] <Taliesin-laptop> woot
[02:24] <Taliesin-laptop> pc is installed
[02:24] <Taliesin-laptop> now to get the second monitor working *goes to fiddle with xorg.conf*
[02:24] <Astxist> heh
[02:25] <johndarkhorse> bob2: my powermac reports linux-image-powerpc64-smp being the running kernel
[02:25] <Terminus> whoa... looks like i can use it to connect to windows too. didn't know that...
[02:25] <bob2> johndarkhorse: oh, sure, but you have the same user programs as you did with a 32-bit kernel.
[02:25] <bob2> I guess there could be a weird kernel bug that triggers something in perl, but I'd think it unlikely
[02:26] <johndarkhorse> bob2: they didnt know in #irssi, either
[02:26] <johndarkhorse> bob2: so i wrote my own horrible twisted scrit, lol
[02:30] <_native_> do we have any tor users here?
[02:30] <Eternalist> tor?
[02:30] <bob2> probably not
[02:30] <Astxist> _native_, not that I know of
[02:30] <bob2> I think they're banned
[02:30] <_native_> the onion router.
[02:31] <HappyFool> i believe tor users are banned from #ubuntu due to past abuse
[02:31] <vbgunz> hello everyone... does anyone know of a better and faster vncviewer than vncviewer :P? The repaint is pain stakingly slow on trying to remotely work with another computer on the lan... Is there a way to speed the repaint?  I sort of want the gui...
[02:32] <Astxist> _native_, all tools can be abused
[02:32] <bob2> if someone has an actual need to be anonymous in here, I'll ad an exception
[02:32] <tuxxxblade> hail
[02:32] <bob2> until then, it's only been fuckwits abusing it
[02:32] <_native_> Astinus; duh
[02:33] <bob2> vbgunz: did you install ssh?
[02:33] <tuxxxblade> im on another session how do i log on root in a term?
[02:33] <sapo> hi all, asking again.. after installing breezy, my vlc, bittornado and other apps that when in hoary had a gtk look, now looks like some old apps without my gtk theme.. what should i do for these apps to have gtk look?
[02:33] <bob2> tuxxxblade: what are you trying to do?
[02:33] <tuxxxblade> i wanna install a thingy that could allow me to read ntfs partitions
[02:33] <vbgunz> bob2: in the system monitor I think I have ssh-agent... I need the server huh?
[02:33] <Eternalist> bob2, how do you use ssh to display X windows?
[02:33] <bob2> Eternalist: ssh -X user@blah
[02:33] <bob2> vbgunz: yes, openssh-server on the desintation
[02:33] <Eternalist> i just tried it
[02:34] <johndarkhorse> ubotu: tell tuxxxblade about ntfs
[02:34] <Eternalist> it gives me a prompt
[02:34] <bob2> Eternalist: yes
[02:34] <vbgunz> bob2 ok
[02:34] <Eternalist> i typed xmms and it just gave me a new line
[02:34] <Eternalist> and nothing came up
[02:34] <_native_>  I think everyone has the right to be anon whether its a need or not is another question. :]
[02:34] <bob2> Eternalist: then run whatever X application you want
[02:34] <mirak> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[02:34] <bob2> _native_: that's awesome
[02:34] <HappyFool> also 'ssh -Y' -- i can't remember which one is better
[02:34] <bob2> _native_: people can be anonymou in their private irc channel
[02:34] <tuxxxblade> johndarkhorse, how so
[02:34] <mirak> I have almost always this error when I try to build stuffs
[02:34] <tuxxxblade> oh sry nm thnks
[02:34] <bob2> mirak: what are you trying to compile?
[02:34] <HappyFool> _native_: maybe continue this discussion in #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[02:34] <johndarkhorse> tuxxxblade: check your private messages, ubotu is a info bot
[02:35] <tuxxxblade> yeah i saw that thnx
[02:35] <mirak> bob2: I try to build enlightenment, but I also got this error when building packages from sources with apt-build
[02:35] <ompaul> _native_, this is a support channel - that is not :-)
[02:35] <Eternalist> bob2, im tryign to run X programs and its not showing up
[02:35] <bob2> mirak: enlightenement i in ubuntu
[02:35] <bob2> mirak: apt-build is of no use at all
[02:35] <_native_> ok
[02:35] <mirak> bob2: I upgraded to daper and the problem is still there
[02:35] <johndarkhorse> mirak: do you WANT to build enlightenment or just run it? and are you on x86 hardware?
[02:35] <bob2> mirak: anyway, install build-essential
[02:35] <bob2> mirak: um, go reinstall hoary
[02:35] <_native_> joining off-topic ;p
[02:36] <bob2> mirak: if you have no idea how to install a compiler, dapper is going to be an enourmous problem for you
[02:36] <nomad111> is there a program that lets me format a partition as NTFS
[02:36] <mirak> bob2: that's breezy, what the hell are you talking about ?
[02:36] <nomad111> something i can use in linux
[02:36] <johndarkhorse> nomad111: windows
[02:36] <mirak> johndarkhorse: I am on amd64
[02:36] <nomad111> dun hav windows it got ruined
[02:36] <nomad111> and i cant access the cd either
[02:36] <bob2> mirak: find, use breezy then
[02:36] <mirak> johndarkhorse: I need to build it to run it
[02:36] <bob2> mirak: if you're using dapper, you have already lost
[02:36] <Astxist> nomad111, NTFS writing in nix last I checked was problemattic
[02:36] <mirak> bob2: the compiler is borken in breezy
[02:36] <Eternalist> bob2, wait it does work, i just opened mozilla, but i cant open xmms or anything
[02:36] <bob2> mirak: um, no, sorry
[02:37] <mirak> bob2: yes it is. So is apt-build in breezy
[02:37] <Stormx2> How do I give a command / launcher a shortcut key? I did it in hoary...
[02:37] <bob2> mirak: what does 'dpkg -l build-essential | tail -n1' print out?
[02:37] <nomad111> far out i need to rebuild my mbr and i dunno how
[02:37] <mirak> bob2: I get this error on breezy first
[02:37] <bob2> mirak: yes, apt-build is useless and broken
[02:37] <johndarkhorse> mirak: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79155&highlight=enlightenment
[02:37] <bob2> mirak: it's not an error
[02:37] <mirak> bob2: it's useless for you
[02:37] <nomad111> the only thing keeping this comp together is ubuntu
[02:37] <bob2> mirak: it's the configure script bombing out because you didn't read the FAQ, or use google, or check that you had a compielr installed
[02:37] <Taliesin-laptop> frack
[02:37] <Taliesin-laptop> i hate this bit
[02:37] <bob2> mirak: it's useless because it does nothing useful, and it's broken
[02:37] <johndarkhorse> mirak: apt-build leaves much to be desired. however, using apt-get to build pkgs from the repos works well
[02:37] <Taliesin-laptop> setting up TwinView on nvidia for both of my monitors
[02:37] <mirak> bob2: ii  build-essential 11.1           informational list of build-essential packages
[02:38] <tuxxxblade> where could i find some codecs for my xmms or totem player - im a lil newb sry
[02:38] <johndarkhorse> ubotu: tell tuxxxblade about restricted
[02:38] <nomad111> im so stuck right now
[02:38] <bob2> Bogaurd: that's pretty unlikely, unless you installed netatalk yourself (or maybe one of the tasks did?)
[02:38] <bob2> bah
[02:38] <bob2> !+info build-essential dapper
[02:38] <bob2> !+info build-essential breezy
[02:38] <ubotu> Updating ubuntu files... please wait.
[02:38] <ubotu> build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 11.1 (dapper), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[02:38] <ubotu> Updating ubuntu files... please wait.
[02:38] <ubotu> build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 11.1 (breezy), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[02:39] <Eternalist> bob2, any idea why i cant run xmms?
[02:39] <bob2> mirak: and you get that error when running e's ./configure?
[02:39] <cheezy1> tuxx: try synaptic, you can find it in the menu system/administration menu
[02:39] <Astxist> tuxxxblade, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats <- might help you
[02:40] <Astxist> tuxxxblade, if you're after the codecs I think you're after
[02:40] <johndarkhorse> mirak: that forum link i posted will get you e17, i've used it and so have several other folks. and it wont botch your system
[02:40] <bob2> Eternalist: works for me
[02:40] <mirak> johndarkhorse: I used something like for x86
[02:40] <mirak> johndarkhorse: that
[02:41] <johndarkhorse> mirak: that forum article works well, otw i wouldn't recomend it
[02:42] <cheezy1> was harder to get on this ircserver than installing breeze :)
[02:42] <vbgunz> bob2: I "sudo apt-get install openssh-server" on the destination pc, then ran "nohup openssh-server" on it but it returns no file or directory...  I did it in hoary..
[02:44] <Red-Sox> hey
[02:44] <Eternalist> anyone know how to change default programs for opening certain files?
[02:44] <Eternalist> i dont want xmms to open my audio files by default
[02:45] <sunka> what's the update proceedure like from hoary to breezy? will it wipe my files/configs?
[02:45] <Red-Sox> sunka, not if you use the repositories
[02:45] <Stormx2> sunka: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:45] <vbgunz> bob2: is there anyway I can use a GUI through SSH?
[02:45] <Stormx2> I beleive
[02:45] <tuxxxblade> guys how do i get to log root in a console ?
[02:45] <Stormx2> sudo
[02:46] <tuxxxblade> sry bout that
[02:46] <sunka> thnx, I was hoping there was an apt-get something I could do :-)
[02:46] <bob2> vbgunz: yes, you ssh in and run whatever X program you want
[02:46] <bob2> tuxxxblade: plese don't
[02:46] <bob2> vbgunz: if you want a desktop, I guess vnc is all you can do
[02:46] <bob2> (simply, anyway)
[02:46] <cheezy1> yes but if he just wants to run one program remote over ssh , it's golden
[02:46] <Stormx2> shortcut keys?
[02:46] <Stormx2> anyone?
[02:46] <vbgunz> bob2: I am sorry for misunderstanding... Yes, the desktop is what I would like to see...
[02:47] <bob2> sunka: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgradeNotes
[02:47] <johndarkhorse> mirak: it is an enlightenmt dr17 repo for x86 ubuntu, it puts the libs in /usr/lib i would suppose
[02:47] <bob2> Stormx2: if someone knew, they would have answered
[02:47] <johndarkhorse> mirak: this article has no buildiing involved
[02:47] <bob2> Stormx2: try the mailing list, perhaps, or #gnome on irc.gnome.org
[02:47] <Stormx2> bob2: kay
[02:47] <cheezy1> Stormx2: specify problem please .
[02:47] <Stormx2> cheezy1: I want to add a shortcut key to a specific command/launcher
[02:47] <mirak> johndarkhorse: if it puts them in /usr/local/ it's ok
[02:47] <cheezy1> in metacity ?
[02:48] <Red-Sox> stormx2: I know how
[02:48] <Stormx2> Red-Sox: Fire away :)
[02:48] <cheezy1> if in metacity then you can use system/preferences/keyboard shortcuts
[02:48] <Red-Sox> stormx2: system--->prefs---->shortcut keys
[02:48] <Red-Sox> Stormx2, in gnome
[02:49] <Stormx2> No good
[02:49] <Stormx2> I want to to a specific command I made
[02:49] <Red-Sox> Stormx2, why not? not in gnome?
[02:49] <vbgunz> bob2: well, all is working well with SSH... I am running commands on the remote machine... nice...
[02:49] <vbgunz> bob2: thanks!
[02:49] <Stormx2> No, it needs to be a custom command that i made!
[02:49] <Stormx2> And I can't add it to keyboard shortcuts
[02:49] <Red-Sox> oh
[02:49] <Stormx2> so its no good ;-)
[02:50] <Red-Sox> Stormx2, did you look in the properties?
[02:50] <sunka> Storm: so you can run a command from the terminal...
[02:50] <sunka> ?
[02:50] <_native_> Stormx2; what are you wanting to do ??
[02:50] <cheezy1> if you want systemwide then you can put it in /etc/inittab
[02:50] <tuxxxblade> tho how do i log root on ?
[02:50] <tuxxxblade> it dosent even has a pass damit
[02:50] <johndarkhorse> mirak: these are ubuntu debs, so you can remove them with apt-get
[02:50] <_native_> you can use .bashrc
[02:50] <Stormx2> Red-Sox: yes I looked in properties
[02:50] <bob2> tuxxxblade: please stop it
[02:50] <Stormx2> _native_: oh? how?
[02:50] <bob2> tuxxxblade: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[02:50] <Terminus> tuxxxblade, sudo su -
[02:51] <Stormx2> !root
[02:51] <ubotu> root is, like, disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[02:51] <_native_> is this a command or script?
[02:51] <tuxxxblade> ok thanx
[02:51] <_native_> Stormx2; ?
[02:51] <Red-Sox> Stormx2, you knoe you can edit those key combos, if that is what you ment
[02:51] <Stormx2> _native_: Script
[02:51] <gfish> can i mount an ntfs drive so i can use it to listen to music
[02:51] <gfish> just reading
[02:51] <Stormx2> in /home/me/bin/scripthere
[02:51] <_native_> ahh mkdir bin in your home then make sure its in your path.
[02:51] <_native_> Stormx2;
[02:51] <Stormx2> gfish: Yes
[02:51] <tuxxxblade> thnx a lot
[02:52] <kevor> not relaly about ubuntu and dunno if it's legal, but anyone got handelmod.ttf somehwere?
[02:52] <gfish> stormx2> how
[02:52] <Stormx2> !ntfs
[02:52] <ubotu> ntfs is, like, the (N)(T) (F)ile(S)ystem, the filesystem normally used under Windows XP. To automatically mount your NTFS partition/s - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[02:52] <_native_> Stormx2; or is that what you have already done?>
[02:52] <Stormx2> _native_: yes, but that doesn't let me use a shortcut key!
[02:52] <candyban_> Hi guys
[02:52] <Stormx2> _native_: Been there done that ;-)
[02:52] <Red-Sox> stormx2 is in much demand ;)
[02:52] <_native_> ahh i see shortcuts. ;p
[02:53] <_native_> humm....
[02:53] <ptlo> hmm
[02:53] <Stormx2> _native_: I can run it fine, I'm just wondering if I can set a shortcut key ^.^
[02:53] <ptlo> where's that wiki page with package requests for universe? i can't seem to find it
[02:53] <mirak> johndarkhorse: debs from cvs ?
[02:53] <Terminus> johndarkhorse, sorry...
[02:53] <candyban_> Just booted my G4 for the first time ... (still running hoary)
[02:53] <_native_> Stormx2; that woul;d be cool i want to know as well. ;]
[02:53] <Stormx2> _native_: lol
[02:53] <candyban_> Live CD is awesome ... good work guys
[02:54] <candyban_> is there a separate channel for ppc users?
[02:54] <johndarkhorse> mirak: read the forum page, i'm assuming they are cvs enlightenment pkgd for ubuntu. i use e all the time now (gotten using the forum) and have no problems
[02:54] <Stormx2> candyban_: maybe #ubuntu-ppc
[02:54] <Stormx2> ?
[02:55] <Eternalist> Is there a way to have gkrellm pop up on boot?
[02:55] <_native_> Stormx2; damn now i want to know bad there's a hundred commands id like to run with hotkey combos.
[02:55] <Eternalist> is there a start up script or something?
[02:55] <bob2> Eternalist:  you don't want it to pop up on boot
[02:55] <candyban_> Stormx2: it has an astounding 4 users ... huge userbase appearently :)
[02:55] <bob2> Eternalist: you want it to appear on your display at login
[02:55] <Stormx2> _native_: i asked in ##gnome - they said gconf-values
[02:55] <mirak> johndarkhorse: not for amd64
[02:55] <ptlo> Eternalist, go to System->Preferences->Sessions an add a new program to be run when entering session
[02:56] <_native_> Stormx2; thats what i would think. tell me if you get it figured out!.. ;]
[02:56] <johndarkhorse> mirak: i asked at the beginning if you were on x86.. .. ..
[02:56] <struggler> how do i extract the contents of the initrd.img
[02:56] <mla> helloss, in which pachage I can find /usr/sbin/runscript in ubuntu ?
[02:57] <ptlo> mla, in terminal: dpkg -S /usr/sbin/runscript
[02:57] <_jason> !shortcuts
[02:57] <ubotu> _jason: Syntax error in line 1
[02:57] <_jason> !shortcut
[02:57] <ubotu> somebody said shortcut was http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79560
[02:57] <bob2> struggler: what're you trying to do?
[02:57] <Stormx2> I just found  http://gnome-hacks.jodrell.net/hacks.html?id=14
[02:57] <mirak> johndarkhorse: I said I wasn't
[02:57] <struggler> bob2: see what is in the initrd image, I think  it has remnants of an old md array
[02:58] <_jason> Stormx2, _native_, the link ubotu pasted is a howto to creating shortcuts (I think that's what you want?)
[02:58] <bob2> struggler: it's a gzip'd ext2 filesystem in hoary, and a cpio archive on breezy, iirc
[02:58] <_native_> _jason; thanx
[02:58] <bob2> (file will tell you for sure)
[02:58] <Stormx2> _jason: No good. I don't have an apps > metacity menu
[02:58] <_jason> Stormx2, in gconf?
[02:59] <Stormx2> wait lol
[03:00] <johndarkhorse> mirak: i just found this, it may interest you  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=48616&highlight=enlightenment+cvs
[03:00] <struggler> bob2: i tried gzip, cpio just hangs, file says "inux Compressed ROM File System data"
[03:01] <struggler> bob2: i tried compress and bzip2 as well
[03:01] <Stormx2> Oh baby it works great :)
[03:02] <Stormx2> I press F12 and a box pops up asking me to enter an artist I want to play!
[03:02] <Stormx2> :D
[03:02] <Stormx2> <3 shell scripting
[03:03] <smo> struggler: I believe that's cramfs?  take a look at the cramfsprogs package, it's description appears to match your task
[03:03] <mirak> johndarkhorse: thanks
[03:05] <johndarkhorse> mirak: on the ubuntuforums is a link to 'get_e.sh' that is optimized that may also work. it is not the get_e.sh from rastermann
[03:05] <struggler> smo: cramfsprogs has mkcramfs and cramfsck, but no way I can see to extract
[03:05] <mirak> johndarkhorse: where is it ?
[03:07] <johndarkhorse> mirak: i've been looking myself (and kicking myself for not bookmarking it)
[03:07] <smo> struggler: rather deceptively, it's the -x option to cramfsck
[03:07] <Eternalist> How can i make it so that gkrellm doesnt appear on the taskbar
[03:07] <Eternalist> i dont want it there
[03:07] <Eternalist> i just want it running
[03:07] <struggler> smo: rather?  looks like a whole lot deceptive to me...Thanks for your time, I appreciate it.
[03:08] <hawknig> I and a friend of me want to make a connection between our computers via ethernet.do we just need a cable or some special packages for my and his computer?
[03:08] <hawknig> his box is xp mine is ubuntu
[03:09] <mjr> hawknig, if there's to be no switch in between, you need a crossover cable (unless either of your network card supports crossover with normal cables)
[03:09] <hawknig> we have already the cable
[03:09] <johndarkhorse> Eternalist: start it from a terminal and look at it's options (or try conky)
[03:09] <Eternalist> gkrellm -w?
[03:09] <mjr> you shouldn't need special packages, though I'm not sure what would be the overall easiest way to set appropriate IPs for the pair
[03:09] <hawknig> I just want to know if any problems will arise cause we are using different op systems
[03:11] <Eternalist> johndarkhorse, know anything else, i can run like gkrellm because i just created another panel so that it wouldnt overlap my windows
[03:11] <Eternalist> and theres a space so
[03:12] <johndarkhorse> Eternalist: try "conky"
[03:12] <johndarkhorse> !info conky