[00:01] <lungaro_> oh
[00:02] <lungaro_> pbuilder is what fails me =/
[00:12] <blackswan> is there some kind of snazzy new kernel debugging thingy now that i don't know about where i can just create a vm and set a breakpoint on, say, the code that identifies partition tables on a block device, and single step through it without having to build five hundred packages from thirty-six sources and making an offering to the oat god?
[00:14] <blackswan> because linux is not recognizing the partitions on this disk image and it is making me sad
[00:17] <electricmilk> Anyone know of a good guide for 18.04 to setting it up as a syslog server?
[00:17] <electricmilk> Everything I'm finding is for older versions
[00:19] <blackflow> electricmilk: I'd go with syslog-ng, much more capable than rsyslog, and nicer syntax.
[00:19] <electricmilk> ah thank you
[00:20] <lungaro_> blackswan, ymmv but systemtap -- not exactly what you are askingg (no step through) but is capable of major kernel probing
[00:21] <blackswan> lungaro_: thanks but that doesn't seem applicable to the problem at hand
[00:30] <aroma> hi
[00:31] <oerheks> !rootirc
[00:31] <aroma> exit
[00:31] <lungaro_> Hacked
[00:32] <gde33> I do the step by step instructions to create a shared folder a while back, I forget each step but it worked. Today however the laptop doesn't see the desktop folder on Network anymore.
[00:32] <gde33> how do I begin shoot trouble?
[00:33] <gde33> I can still go to network on the desktop and see the folder there
[00:33] <gde33> (as in desktop pc)
[00:35] <gde33> what could have changed?
[00:45] <gde33> should I be able to access the network folder? (pointing at the same machine)
[00:45] <gde33> it asks for a password but rejects it
[00:47] <gde33> ah had to type smb://computername/
[00:49] <Ubu-1604> Well I upgraded to the newer kernel <IP_ADDRESS>, all seems to be working just fine :)
[00:49] <Ubu-1604> errr, forgot the .0. ;)
[01:20] <Riddick> i like gnome / unity, but sometimes i like to run kde or lxde.  is there a minimal way i can install just those wihtout doing the lubuntu-desktop or kubuntu-desktop commands?  thats too much and I don't want to change my bootup, etc.  i just want some different DM's to choose from.
[01:21] <atlas_0x01> Anyone going to defcon?
[01:26] <texla> Any info when 18.04 will be added to update manager
[01:52] <bildz>  have a 16.04 server i just setup with UFW/OpenVPN.  I can connect as a VPN client and traceroute out to the internet, but I have dnsmasq running on the OpenVPN server and I cannot DNS resolve as a OpenVPN client.  Nothing shows up in the firewall as being blocked.  Any ideas?
[02:01] <lotuspsychje> bildz: try the #ubuntu-server channel mate, they might help you more specificly
[02:24] <bildz> bOAOA
[02:48] <theorchid> hi
[02:48] <theorchid> Do ubuntu live usb support mixed mode uefi?
[02:48] <theorchid> like if I copy the iso contents to a thumb drive?
[02:49] <theorchid> or do I have to use the 32 bit version?
[02:50] <theorchid> well, obviously I'm not ggoing to use the 32 bit version... but do I have to build my own install media to boot in mixed mode?
[02:50] <bildz> theorchid: use the usb boot disk maker
[02:51] <bildz> theorchid: whats your main OS?
[02:51] <jack_fu> hello
[02:51] <bildz> theorchid: w32disk imager in windows
[02:51] <theorchid> bildz, I use windows 10 and ubuntu and gentoo
[02:52] <jack_fu> Who can say?
[02:52] <theorchid> w32disk imager?
[02:52] <bildz> theorchid: https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/
[02:52] <lotuspsychje> jack_fu: can we help you?
[02:52] <bildz> use that and it will push the iso to a thumb drive
[02:52] <jack_fu> what?
[02:53] <theorchid> bildz, no i need mixed mode booting
[02:53] <jack_fu> 12315
[02:53] <theorchid> like, my uefi is 32 bit, and my system is 64 bit
[02:55] <lotuspsychje> jack_fu: stop it please
[02:56] <lotuspsychje> jack_fu: you have joined the ubuntu support channel, no chitchat here
[03:06] <neildugan> I have some python3 code using Gtk3 that is not behaving as expected.  I have created a custom widget inherited from Gtk.Entry ... When I inherit from this to create two other classes, the definitions conflict... each of these two new classes will work properly on the own, but if I use both the Uppercase one no longer function correctly... what am I doing wrong?
[03:06] <neildugan> see https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tRsrWqbPVW/
[03:15] <qwebirc54247> hello :( i don't have mood i really angry
[03:15] <qwebirc54247> why google chrome flash player doesn't work ?
[03:16] <qwebirc54247> my chromium can't work flash player :(
[03:19] <qwebirc54247> anyone can help me ?
[03:19] <guiverc> qwebirc54247, i don't have flash (don't want it), but this may help https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Getting-Partner-Flash
[03:21] <qwebirc54247> i try it -_- but my problem is not fixed
[03:21] <qwebirc54247> guiverc: i try it but my problem not fixed
[03:22] <guiverc> did you `sudo apt update` (to reload your repository lists & include the extra partner repo) then re-run chromium ?
[03:22] <qwebirc54247> yes :/
[03:26] <qwebirc54247> i need help!!!!
[03:27] <qwebirc54247> @b4b4nn
[03:27] <qwebirc54247> bye !
[03:27] <qwebirc54247> thanks for this support
[03:48] <cry_wolf> Hi there
[03:58] <nshire> you know that bit of text that says if you need a reboot, updates avalible, etc, that displays when you connect with SSH? is there a way to get that to display again without reloading the ssh session?
[03:59] <cry_wolf> A quick question, my wireless adapters is supported with the 2.6.36 and 3.2 kernel, so I searched a ubuntu version with these kernel and I found the 12.04LTS (3.2), the wifi is working. Now my question is, is there a chance I get issue if I upgrade my ubuntu ? I'm not sure how this is working exaclty.
[04:00] <boogle> Too bad i missed Qwebirc5424, all you need to do is install chromium-pepperflash.
[04:00] <boogle> nshire I think that is part of the motd file.
[04:04] <guiverc> cry_wolf, only 12.04 ESM is supported (but NOT here); and surely it'd be a downgrade for you
[04:05] <cry_wolf> guiverc, ok thanks.
[04:07] <IcemanV9> 12.04? 6 years setback? really? :P
[04:09] <cry_wolf> Well, I would have download the and installed 18.04 but because of my wireless I wasn't sure. And this is what is written on Intel support page; "We support use of the drivers only in the kernel version the driver was a part of"
[04:10] <boogle> nshire, I looked it up. Apparently there is some script run at boot that updates the motd that is then displayed. I have to go but I hope this helps.
[04:11] <cry_wolf> So if a more recent Ubuntu version is not on the same kernel, I guess I'm fucked. I mean, I saw a few post on the ubuntu forum with people having issue on newer ubuntu version with the same wireless device.
[04:19] <S1GM4> I have a very basic question
[04:19] <nshire> boogle, looks like you're right that it's only updated at system startup. I found you can display it using "cat /var/run/motd.dynamic" but that doesn't necessarily show an up-to-date version.
[04:19] <S1GM4> if I ls -l and get a file listing like -rwxr-w-r-- 1  <--- that does that number (1, 2, whatever) mean?
[04:20] <S1GM4> I've looked place after place and can't seem to find a good answer? Seems like it is just skipped over everywhere
[04:23] <IcemanV9> S1GM4: perhaps 1 is the file was created by accident? can you see the content of 1?
[04:23] <S1GM4> No, I mean like, in a typical breakdown, say:
[04:24] <S1GM4> -rwxr-xr-- 1 instruct staff 270311 Aug 11 2009 install.sh
[04:24] <S1GM4> What does that number (1) mean after the permissions?
[04:25] <blackswan> that is the number of links to the file
[04:25] <blackswan> hard links, not symbolic links
[04:25] <S1GM4> Ah, I see, haha. XD
[04:25] <S1GM4> I wonder why that is not ever explained in all the tutorials and stuff I have read that break down what the listing actually is referencing
[04:26] <S1GM4> I knew it was something incredibly basic, but have never had to consider it until I started taking this forsaken Unix class
[04:26] <blackswan> i don't know. when i was introduced to unix it was explained quite clearly.
[04:26] <blackswan> ("the unix programming environment", kernighan and pike)
[04:26] <IcemanV9> i never knew that. i basically ignored it. nice to know now. thx, blackswan
[04:27] <blackswan> that's why directories don't have a 1`
[04:27] <blackswan> and their link count goes up for each subdirectory you put in them
[04:27] <blackswan> because of the .. links
[04:27] <IcemanV9> makes sense
[04:31] <S1GM4> Ah, yeah
[04:31] <S1GM4> Ironically, if I'd actually done any of the course work instead of just trying to test out, I'd likely have run across the answer. Instead, when it came time to do the project at the end of the segment (as I tested out around 90%+ for all the material) I was like
[04:31] <S1GM4> Wait a minute... what is this number here XD hahaha
[04:32] <S1GM4> been using Unix-related systems for... I dunno, almost two decades? Never bothered to learn some of the basic stuff. :( Bring shame to my famiry and cran.
[04:53] <S1GM4> Man that Unix permissions assignment was easy. The next one is regex XD frick frack.
[05:52] <Eric_Chong> I want to clone my dual boot win10 ubuntu SSD.  As it took me a long time t oget it all sorted out.  I find Acronis cloner works well on windows.  But last time when I cloned my USB linux to a HDD, the hdd clone took long to boot up. Maybe due to size differnece?. So, is it always better to use excactly the same size disks when cloning?
[05:54] <Eric_Chong> Anyone ?
[05:54] <Meepsheep> sup
[05:54] <Eric_Chong>  I want to clone my dual boot win10 ubuntu SSD.  As it took me a long time t oget it all sorted out.  I find Acronis cloner works well on windows.  But last time when I cloned my USB linux to a HDD, the hdd clone took long to boot up. Maybe due to size differnece?. So, is it always better to use excactly the same size disks when cloning?
[05:55] <Meepsheep> hold up mang
[05:55] <Meepsheep> ur gonna have to explain that slower
[05:55] <Eric_Chong> When cloning ubuntu/win 10  disk.  is it better to clone to a disk exactly the same size?
[05:55] <Meepsheep> so basically
[05:55] <Meepsheep> well first of all
[05:55] <Meepsheep> what operating system are you running
[05:55] <Eric_Chong> cos when i cloned usb to hdd, the boot times were slow
[05:56] <Eric_Chong> dual boot win10 ubuntu
[05:56] <Meepsheep> whats the gfl
[05:57] <Eric_Chong> wats a gfl
[05:57] <Meepsheep> i cant help unless i know the gfl
[05:57] <Meepsheep> itll be under your ubuntu settings
[05:57] <Eric_Chong> wel wah tis it, then i can look
[05:58] <Meepsheep> just open up your settings and take a look real quick
[05:58] <Eric_Chong> i did
[05:58] <Eric_Chong> i have no idea wat u mean
[05:58] <Meepsheep> all i need to know is if it starts with a 3 or a 4
[05:58] <Eric_Chong> gfl
[05:59] <Eric_Chong> i copied my usb ubuntu before onto a hdd, using acronis on windows.  it worked, but the boot tim was slow.  maybe cos the disks were diferent sizes
[06:00] <Eric_Chong> and i opened up settings.. but can see no gfl.. and no way to search
[06:00] <Meepsheep> well theres your problem right there
[06:00] <Eric_Chong> you'll have to give me more info
[06:00] <Eric_Chong> what problem?
[06:00] <Eric_Chong> differnet disk size?
[06:01] <Eric_Chong> anyone else?
[06:02] <mous> Eric_Chong: there's really no need to have the same size disk
[06:02] <mous> as long as the drive you are clone to is = or >
[06:02] <Eric_Chong> in that case, i wonder why the slow boot time
[06:02] <Eric_Chong> the rest worked fine, just slow boot
[06:02] <mous> Eric_Chong: mechanical or SSD?
[06:02] <Eric_Chong> ssd
[06:02] <Eric_Chong> from usb to ssd
[06:02] <mous> slow boot into windows i imagine?
[06:02] <Eric_Chong> i have no idea - or >
[06:02] <mous> but faster boot into linux?
[06:02] <Eric_Chong> no, ubuntu#
[06:03] <Eric_Chong> i only had ubuntu on the ssd., i did not clone dual os yet
[06:03] <Eric_Chong> only had ubuntu on usb*
[06:03] <mous> I'd try another boot if you have not, perhaps the OS had to do some things due to the hardware change
[06:03] <Eric_Chong> another boot?
[06:03] <mous> yeah, reboot?
[06:03] <Eric_Chong> yes, every time i boot it slow
[06:03] <mous> ahhh
[06:03] <Eric_Chong> stays ame
[06:03] <Eric_Chong> same*
[06:03] <Eric_Chong> it runs fine once booted tho
[06:03] <mous> hmmmm maybe the SSD is not configured optimal
[06:04] <mous> but that's usually pretty plug and play these days
[06:04] <Eric_Chong> well, i put a fresh ubuntu on the ssd, fresh install and it boots like lightning
[06:04] <mous> weird
[06:04] <mous> i'm really not sure, sory :(
[06:04] <mous> ever use clonezilla?
[06:04] <Eric_Chong> som i want to clone this dual boot ssd...but dont want to waste money if it wont clone propery
[06:04] <mous> I really love it for imaging
[06:04] <Eric_Chong> hmm its ok
[06:05] <mous> I use it often and have never experienced anything like that
[06:05] <Eric_Chong> i cant use clonezilla on linux.. to hard to figur eout
[06:05] <Eric_Chong> i used acronis on windows
[06:05] <mous> oh it's super easy
[06:05] <Eric_Chong> no, i tried before
[06:05] <Eric_Chong> i got lost
[06:05] <Eric_Chong> no gui either
[06:05] <mous> yeah first couple times take some work
[06:05] <mous> once you get used to it - works like a boss tho
[06:05] <Eric_Chong> tried/failed
[06:05] <Eric_Chong> left it running all night hoping it was doing sumthing
[06:05] <Eric_Chong> but not
[06:06] <mous> I'm not sure i would trust windows to create a good 1:1 image of a file system time that it does not even support natively
[06:06] <Eric_Chong> i heard that creating images doesnt matter
[06:06] <mous> yeah maybe not
[06:06] <Eric_Chong> i use rufus for my linux installs for example
[06:06] <mous> have not used windows in a long time though :(
[06:06] <Eric_Chong> i just iwsh loinux had more gui software
[06:07] <Eric_Chong> its confusing as hell in terminal
[06:09] <Eric_Chong> i tried clonezilla thee times
[06:09] <Eric_Chong> and only had to use acronis once and i understood it.   just the slow boot sucks though
[06:09] <mous> how slow we talking?
[06:09] <mous> like < 60 seconds?
[06:09] <mous> > 60?
[06:10] <mous> maybe your clone software wrote a very fragmented mess?
[06:10] <Eric_Chong> well the original was avbout 20 seconds from usb... the clone to ssd about 60 or 90
[06:10] <mous> weird
[06:10] <Eric_Chong> not life threatening, but annoying
[06:10] <mous> defrag the SSD
[06:10] <mous> they don't normally need it
[06:11] <mous> but it's not going to hurt anything and I imagine that's your issue
[06:11] <Eric_Chong> well as i say. now i have a fresh ubuntu and windows 10 on same ssd.  and its flying
[06:11] <mous> evetything should be fine when you do it, just remember you'll likely need to defrag afterwards
[06:12] <mous> or wait for windows to do it automatically (seems it does it once a month)
[06:12] <mous> not sure now linux handles it
[06:12] <Eric_Chong> yea. i dont think its a frag issue
[06:12] <Eric_Chong> dunno tho
[06:12] <mous> the fact that it boots and everything works = i'm out of ideas lol
[06:12] <Eric_Chong> might be.. as the hdd was not same size as usb.. maybe sum wierd stuff happened
[06:12] <mous> can't think what would slow it down except bad fragmentation
[06:12] <Eric_Chong> yea
[06:12] <mous> nah that does not really matter
[06:13] <Eric_Chong> so maybe a i said, if the disks are exact same sixe its better
[06:13] <Eric_Chong> size*
[06:13] <Eric_Chong> hmm
[06:13] <mous> you could clone a 256GB ssd to a 1TB, you just end up with 700ish GB unallocated
[06:14] <Eric_Chong> i have a 500 gb hdd.. and my dual boot os in my ssd is 250g..  i could try clonming to my 500gb hdd just t osee wat happens
[06:14] <mous> the total size is irrelevant as long as the destination is = or > than source
[06:14] <Eric_Chong> ive no idea about = or >
[06:14] <Eric_Chong> :/
[06:14] <mous> equal or greater than
[06:14] <mous> sorry
[06:14] <Eric_Chong> oh ok, no problem
[06:14] <Eric_Chong> yes the ssd was much greater size
[06:14] <mous> yeah that's really a non issue, and easy to 'fix' later if you want
[06:15] <mous> just boot into a live session from a USB, use gparted to add the unalloc space to the new partition
[06:15] <Eric_Chong> i think partitions wont work whe ncloning.. as you need to use the entire disk, for boot reasons i think
[06:16] <Eric_Chong> but can resize after cloning i guess
[06:16] <mous> ya kinda just depends how you do it, but I see no logical reason for any slow downs
[06:16] <Eric_Chong> hmm
[06:16] <Eric_Chong> well, i have some data on my 500gfb hdd, i can move off of it ,and try to clone my ssd on to it
[06:17] <Eric_Chong> but my data is in fat 32 format.  will be ok to copy in on to a ntfs drive without corrupting it ?
[06:18] <Eric_Chong> like, can i copy data fro ma fat 32 disk, to a ntfs disk, then later back to a fat 32 disk without corrupting the date?
[06:18] <Eric_Chong> its a ps3 save data
[06:18] <illuminated> I'm mounting an iscsi LUN with open iscsi.  the mount seems to work but  and when i do a blkid it shows up as /dev/sdb but when I lsblk to get its uuid it doesn't list anything.
[06:22] <mous> Eric_Chong: yes, the OS will take care of that for you
[06:22] <mous> Eric_Chong: If you copy from a fat32 disk to NTFS, the OS will write the files using NTFS, all will be perfect
[06:25] <Eric_Chong> thanks mous
[06:26] <Eric_Chong> and if then i cna copy the same files back from ntfs to fat 32 later, i cna keep my ps3 save intact
[06:26] <Eric_Chong> and the ncan use this 500gb to experiment with cloning  ;)
[06:27] <xerf> hey
[07:23] <Oldtrouble> Hello I'm trying out linux and i have USB wireless thing
[07:23] <Oldtrouble> I'm stretching a cable across the room to be here. How do I turn wireless on?
[07:25] <blackflow> Oldtrouble: judging by your username, there should be an NetworkManager icon in the taskbar tray
[07:25] <blackflow> Oldtrouble: kubuntu I mean
[07:26] <Oldtrouble> blackflow: it just says Wired Connection
[07:26] <lambdoid> should I use OpenGL or Vulkan when I play a game?
[07:26] <blackflow> vulkan if possible
[07:27] <lambdoid> why
[07:27] <blackflow> because it's next gen protocol and phoronix benchmarks peg it as better performing. uses much less CPU than opengl too.
[07:29] <blackflow> Oldtrouble: I don't know it off the top of my head but there should be an Add, or Manage connections menu option through which you should be able to add wireless? Do you know which chipset is it, btw?
[07:29] <Oldtrouble> Umm. Ralink?
[07:34] <blackflow> Oldtrouble: and no wireless connection option whatsoever in the network manager?
[07:35] <Oldtrouble> None
[07:37] <blackflow> Oldtrouble: can you open the terminal, type     lsusb    hit enter and pastebin the output of it?
[07:37] <blackflow> !pastebin | Oldtrouble
[07:37] <blackflow> Oldtrouble: do that after you've plugged in the usb thingy
[07:38] <Oldtrouble> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jsgJ2cnhy9/
[07:39] <blackflow> Oldtrouble: and which ubuntu is this?
[07:40] <Oldtrouble> 1804
[07:42] <blackflow> Oldtrouble: can you pastebin the output of          journalctl --since '1 hour ago' | grep -e NetworkManager -e wpa_supplicant
[07:43] <TabMasher> Question.  I have a home directory which is EXT3-4 and I want to copy all the files and attributes to another partition that is BtrFS.  Is there a file manager, or a console command to copy each file and attributes to this new BtrFS partition?   I'm new to ubuntu/linux but I'm working at it.
[07:44] <akkonrad> I'm using ubuntu 16.04. When I close my laptop lid (dell inspiron) it hibernates, that's fine and expected. but when I have monitor plugged in, it is still turned on and laptop does not hibenates. I've tried to change settings in this config file: /etc/systemd/logind.conf but didn't help
[07:44] <akkonrad> I've changed those variables: HandleLidSwitch=hibernate  and  HandleLidSwitchDocked=hibernate
[07:45] <TabMasher> akkonrad: May I PM you?
[07:46] <ducasse> TabMasher: don't crosspost, please
[07:46] <TabMasher> ducasse: Just looking for help.  Sorry.
[07:48] <Oldtrouble> blackflow: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fJ8Cm2TgX7/
[07:49] <blackflow> Oldtrouble: yeah the output of that command. you have to hit enter at the end. then it produces some output and then please pastebin that output, like you did for lsusb.
[07:50] <Oldtrouble> that was all it said
[07:50] <Oldtrouble> there was nothing after I hit enter
[07:51] <blackflow> Oldtrouble: and if you use   -b     instead of    --since '1 hour ago'      ?
[07:51] <Oldtrouble> umm
[07:51] <Oldtrouble> ok
[07:52] <Oldtrouble> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VkMZsTsHjp/
[07:52] <akkonrad> TabMasher, sure
[07:59] <Oldtrouble> blackflow: I see it says WiFi enabled
[07:59] <Vadi> After looking through too many askubuntu answers, I find raising the limit on the number of open files in Ubuntu to be really confusing and difficult. Can anyone give a simple solution to increasing this number?
[08:00] <Oldtrouble> on Line 28
[08:00] <blackflow> Oldtrouble: I found this:  https://askubuntu.com/questions/457061/ralink-mt7601u-148f7601-wi-fi-adapter-installation      and that appears to be your adapter, and it supposedly "just works" on "Ubuntu 16.04 onward".
[08:01] <BSODjunkie> anyone here can help me diagnose a cron issue
[08:01] <BSODjunkie> https://paste.pound-python.org/show/RdLp1CtA6aSuJm9Zjwiy/
[08:01] <BSODjunkie> I am getting these logs under crontab service
[08:01] <BSODjunkie> my test.py script is not creating any output, what could be happening?
[08:07] <Oldtrouble> blackflow: Those numbers they list under supported. what are those?
[08:08] <blackflow> Oldtrouble: bus device IDs from that lsusb output you pasted first
[08:09] <Oldtrouble> Ah. It matched mine.
[08:09] <Oldtrouble> So it should be turned on but it's invisible?
[08:17] <Oldtrouble> blackflow: Thanks for the help
[08:26] <IntelCore> One weekly arrived, thanks Bashing-Om !
[08:26] <IntelCore> What to expect with Upgrade to 18.04 ?
[08:27] <IntelCore> I have it on usb drive now, but await the  upgrade install.
[08:28] <IntelCore> o.o Scheduled backup wants a thumb drive
[08:38] <MacroMan> I lost an SSH connection during an "apt dist-upgrade" and now I can't update anymore: https://paste.ngx.cc/8f8a2dac171fb80c
[08:38] <MacroMan> It's left it in a broken state. Please help. This is a live server
[08:39] <Hounddog> Good Morning... First thing... i have no clue of what i am doing... We are having issues withj some nfs4 errors and i am tasked to connect a new server via nfs3 (again... i have no clue of nfs... i just now its a network share..."  so i am looking at fstab and trrying to figure out how to do this.. . First question regarding this -> if i connect via nfs3 client should the server not also be on version nfs3? hope
[08:39] <Hounddog> someone can give me a helping hand or direct me in the right direction
[08:39] <blackflow> MacroMan: is an apt or dpkg process stil active?
[08:40] <easyOnMe> hello guys
[08:40] <hellobello> Hey Guys, A couple of weeks ago I received a new laptop with a "Qualcomm Atheros QCA6174 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter". First thing I did was installing ubuntu.. Everything seems to be working fine, but my wifi connection "drops" at random times. At which point I need to restart my network-manager.. which is getting frustrating.
[08:40] <MacroMan> Not apt. I'm just checking and it seems I stil lhave a dpkg process active
[08:40] <easyOnMe> just want to ask I am task to do web admin
[08:40] <hellobello> I was looking into updating the driver, but it seems that linux-firmware should be update enough for my driver..
[08:41] <hellobello> I tried disabling "ac" .. which didn't help
[08:41] <easyOnMe> I am just want to know how to grant permission to a subdomain folder so that it can be access via the internet without making a full and complete access to it
[08:41] <MacroMan> Ah, think it's OK. I killed the dpkg process and now seem to be updating fine.
[08:41] <easyOnMe> just how like a typical html folder is allowed to be accessed via the internet
[08:42] <Hounddog> easyOnMe: you cant just give access to a foder to the internet you need some kind of httpd server
[08:42] <MacroMan> easyOnMe: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/install-and-configure-apache#0
[08:42] <blackflow> easyOnMe: it must be readable to the web server's process/user.
[08:42] <easyOnMe> blackflow: so how do I do that
[08:42] <easyOnMe> Hounddog: yes the server is apache
[08:42] <blackflow> easyOnMe: start with googling for "basic unix permissions" and how to manage those via chmod
[08:42] <MacroMan> easyOnMe: If you already have apache installed, ask on #httpd
[08:42] <IntelCore> u might try ftp server?
[08:43] <easyOnMe> blackflow: I remember there is a command that you use but I forget about it
[08:43] <easyOnMe> and I know that you need to use the same command to subfoders within html folder
[08:43] <blackflow> MacroMan: and when that's done, first thing you should do is install tmux or screen and next time do ALL such management through tmux or screen
[08:43] <MacroMan> easyOnMe: Indexes?
[08:43] <blackflow> easyOnMe: I just told you what to do. can you do that?
[08:43] <hellobello> Anyone know where to start looking ?
[08:43] <easyOnMe> blackflow: yes I know but I do not know which permission to use
[08:44] <easyOnMe> so sorry newbie here
[08:44] <MacroMan> blackflow: Thanks. I've managed to re-run dist-upgrade, but it's hanging on "update-initramfs: deferring update (trigger activated)"
[08:44] <easyOnMe> blackflow: I do not want to commit an error that grant the wrong access
[08:44] <qwebirc78429> hi guys. I installed ubuntu on my dulboot system today. Specs are: i7 6gen HQ / GTX 950M / 8Gigs of RAM / 256 Gigs of SSD (40gigs are parted for UBUNTU). I installed yet neither X server nor Wayland gives me a desktop. All I could've seen was a black/purple screen at the first login. I'm on the windows side now any idea to what to do?
[08:44] <Hounddog> easyOnMe: macroman gave you a tutorial, everything should also be mentioned there what kind of permissions and which user should have it
[08:44] <blackflow> easyOnMe: so, after looking up "basic unix permissions", which of those need further clarification?
[08:44] <easyOnMe> blackflow: I see
[08:45] <easyOnMe> ok I will be right back
[08:45] <IntelCore> hellobello : my ISP stated one thing.. fast. But, I do noy get fast. If you have wifi.. look at those.. is it 'n' setting? not in the driver?
[08:45] <blackflow> easyOnMe: I mean looking up that should explain everything, so maybe you have a specific question about that?
[08:46] <MacroMan> easyOnMe: http://fideloper.com/user-group-permissions-chmod-apache
[08:47] <easyOnMe> MacroMan: thanks just what I need let me read through and I will ask questions later
[08:48] <IntelCore> deja dup says backup failed because it cannot access the drive - permissions needed. What to do?
[08:48] <MacroMan> easyOnMe: I found that by searching "Apache file permissions". Google is a powerful tool.
[08:49] <easyOnMe> MacroMan: sorry about that
[08:49] <easyOnMe> just under pressure to deliver here really so sorry
[08:49] <Hounddog> maybee i should even start lower.... how can i see if nf3 is even supported with the kernel?
[08:50] <easyOnMe> MacroMan: ok now I got a question
[08:50] <hellobello> IntelCore: I'm not entirely sure about the questions. All try to answer: "If you have wifi.. look at those": Wifi is working, but it randomly d/c's. My colleagues on macs an linux with other laptops don't have this issue | "Is it 'n' setting? not in the driver?": I'm sorry buy I have no idea what you mean. I tried disabling "ac" but I have no idea if this worked, but I do know that it did not solve my problem :(
[08:51] <easyOnMe> if www-data is the group that is the one granting access to the html folder when say example.org domain is entered into the url browser
[08:51] <IntelCore> hellobello: verify power save mode
[08:52] <easyOnMe> how shall I allow the same user permission so that the subdomain folder which is inside the html folder can be access when say subdomain.example.org is typed on the web browser
[08:52] <IntelCore> hellobello back the current config
[08:53] <IntelCore> hellobello read my dialog paste to you
[08:53] <easyOnMe> is this the correct terminal command chmod -R g+rx /var/www
[08:53] <blackflow> easyOnMe: you have to allow user or group www-data READ permission on the folder and files in question. usually it's done through such files and folders having read permission "for all", but it'd be wiser to just limit it to group or owner. that means those files and dirs will have to be owned by www-data user or group.
[08:54] <blackflow> easyOnMe: that would be correct if you use the approach of www-data group having read access to those. but then you must also chown it to www-data group
[08:54] <blackflow> easyOnMe: did you look up "basic unix permissions" on google?
[08:54] <MacroMan> I disconnected. Did anyone reply to me?
[08:55] <easyOnMe> blackflow: ok so I need help to confirm whether the following sequence of terminal commands will be ok meaning it will only allow access from the public what is necessary meaning read only
[08:56] <easyOnMe> blackflow: yes
[08:56] <easyOnMe> those rwx
[08:56] <blackflow> easyOnMe: I _really_ hope you understand _this_:  we can give you exact commands to run without you understanding what they do. that would be a disservice to you, you'd change something in the system, gods know what, and when it breaks, you'd have no idea what, where, how, what did you do, how it works.  SO... what you _have_ to do is understand how basic permissions work and what the tools are. once
[08:56] <blackflow> you do that, then you'll understand exactly what you need to do to allow your httpd to access those files.
[08:56] <easyOnMe> r for read w for write and x for execute
[08:56] <easyOnMe> blackflow: yes thank for that I appreciate that
[08:57] <easyOnMe> that is why I need validation here I will chose the command kindly tell me whether is it correct or ont
[08:57] <easyOnMe> not
[08:57] <blackflow> easyOnMe: right, so you have two approaches here. unless you make it more restrictive, the default is for all dirs and files to be READABLE to "all"
[08:57] <IntelCore> but, it's more than setting permissions
[08:57] <blackflow> easyOnMe: so when you put something under /var/www and point your vhost there, it should all work out of the box.
[08:58] <IntelCore> kinda like ftp servers
[08:58] <MacroMan> I'm reading about fixing the apt hang. Most suggestions are removing the kernel and installing it again. Is that a wise idea?
[08:58] <easyOnMe> blackflow: what do you mean it should all work out of the box
[08:58] <blackflow> easyOnMe: alternatively, you can limit the permissions on those files by removing access to "all"   (chmod o-rwx ....). in that case you must make those readable to www-data user OR group
[08:58] <easyOnMe> yes the second alternative is what I prefer
[08:58] <blackflow> easyOnMe: exactly what I said. the default permissions when you create a file/dir is that those are readable to ALL users in the system
[08:59] <easyOnMe> I only what the users from the internet to read only the subdomain folder
[08:59] <easyOnMe> once they access it they will only see the web pages I wanted
[08:59] <easyOnMe> no write or execute permissions
[08:59] <blackflow> easyOnMe: there are no "users from the internet" in context of permissions on your system. that would be the web server's process and the system user it is running as, by default it is "www-data" on debian and derivatives, for apache and nginx for example
[09:00] <MacroMan> I can't seem to kill the apt process now.  About Install wine on ubuntu
[09:00] <easyOnMe> so it is only the group "www-data" that allows people to access the web pages
[09:00] <blackflow> easyOnMe: the webserver itself can't write files unless you enable DAV or pass requests to something like PHP. it also can't execute something unless you configure something like cgi or pass it to PHP which in turn explicitly does exec syscalls
[09:00] <easyOnMe> now I got a clearer picture
[09:01] <easyOnMe> blackflow: yes the system has php
[09:01] <blackflow> MacroMan: be more persuasive with -9 for kill  (or -SIGKILL)
[09:01] <easyOnMe> so now for www-data what should be the correct permissions
[09:01] <easyOnMe> I mean the website uses php to execute commands such as saving data on the database
[09:01] <Guest45514> how can i fix that: Depends: wine1.6-i386 (= 1:1.6.2-0ubuntu14.2)            Recommends: fonts-droid but it is not installable
[09:02] <blackflow> easyOnMe: you can chown all those files to www-data:www-data and the default permissions should work (being 644 fo files and 755 for dirs -- and the last number can even be 0 if that's what you want)
[09:02] <easyOnMe> so does that mean that for the group "www-data" I need to use the default permissions
[09:02] <blackflow> easyOnMe: with PHP involved things are much more complex and depend on how you are running PHP in context of the web server.
[09:03] <easyOnMe> blackflow: I am using a php framework codeigniter 3
[09:03] <easyOnMe> it serves web pages dynamically and saves data to the back end database
[09:03] <blackflow> easyOnMe: yeah but how is the web server running PHP. as mod-php? via fastcgi?
[09:03] <easyOnMe> so what permissions should I use
[09:03] <easyOnMe> mod-php
[09:03] <blackflow> if it's mod-php then it's running within the Apache processes, thus as www-data.
[09:04] <MacroMan> blackflow: Thanks. Being more "persuasive" worked.
[09:04] <easyOnMe> blackflow: hold on a sec how do I confirm that php is running mod-php or via fastcgi can I verify it by running php.info
[09:04] <blackflow> database access is socket based and doesnt' involve unix permissions. PHP can save uploaded files, those will be owned by the process PHP is running as, in case of mod-php, the process Apache is running as, by default www-data:www-data
[09:05] <blackflow> MacroMan: -9 scares them all into submission.
[09:05] <MacroMan> easyOnMe: It sounds like you have a fairly standard Apache install. Setting www-data:www-data as the owner and setting the permission 644 for files and 775 for directories should be all you need.
[09:05] <blackflow> easyOnMe: you can confirm by knowing exactly what you did. PHP doens't work by itself you have to explicitly configure it.  we're getting back to that "understand" what you're doing vs "get told a few commands you have no clue what they do".
[09:06] <MacroMan> I've removed the kernel with "sudo update-initramfs -k 4.15.0-20-generic -d", but dpkg is still hanging on update-initramfs when I'm running "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[09:06] <easyOnMe> blackflow: yeah that is why I am asking because this is the first time I heard this fastcgi but I do not remember doing anything like that but out of curiosity I ask
[09:07] <blackflow> MacroMan: 755 then for dirs, not 775 unless you want group writable, which doesn't change much if its owned by www-data
[09:07] <easyOnMe> anyway I will be right back
[09:07] <MacroMan> blackflow: Oops. That was a typo
[09:07] <easyOnMe> anyway I will be right back
[09:07] <easyOnMe> thanks for the info guys need to be with my daughter I will be back
[09:07] <easyOnMe> for now I will not change anything yet until I fully understand things
[09:07] <easyOnMe> thanks
[09:08] <easyOnMe> hopefully you guys will still be around after 5 hours...
[09:08] <easyOnMe> all the best...
[09:09] <c06> hi all am facing following errro when launching vm
[09:09] <c06> XML error: file '/dev/urandom' is not a supported random source
[09:11] <MacroMan> Looking at ps, it seems this process is hanging: http://termbin.com/s9a6
[09:13] <YesMan> I need to copy my entire disk image.  now that i have my dual boot set up, i want to make a back up.  please advise the best method
[09:14] <blackflow> MacroMan: anything in logs?
[09:15] <MacroMan> blackflow: Just that the keyboard is half configured: http://termbin.com/excf
[09:15] <MacroMan> That's the dpkg.loh
[09:15] <MacroMan> dpkg.log
[09:15] <YesMan> sirs?
[09:17] <MacroMan> Looking at the command that's hanging "/usr/bin/perl -w /usr/share/debconf/frontend /var/lib/dpkg/info/keyboard-configuration.postinst configure 1.178ubuntu2" I'm not sure it's output is going anywhere.
[09:18] <MacroMan> Think I might be suffering from this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/1715830
[09:19] <blackflow> MacroMan: ah is that from that previous run? it's waiting for user input but that ssh conn was dropped?
[09:19] <MacroMan> Ah, that's what it's waiting for.
[09:20] <MacroMan> I'll try and run the perl command manually and see what I get
[09:20] <MacroMan> Well the current run lol. It's still hanging
[09:21] <blackflow> MacroMan: you'll hve to get rid of any still-running dpkg procs from that broken run
[09:22] <tomreyn> !backup | YesMan
[09:23] <IntelCore> deja dup it to thumb drive 64gig
[09:25] <tomreyn> YesMan: if you are looking for cloning full partitions or storages, you can use clonezilla live https://clonezilla.org/
[09:26] <IntelCore> excellent
[09:26] <IntelCore> i gtg. fix backup
[09:26] <MacroMan> blackflow: I narrowed it down to this script: /var/lib/dpkg/info/keyboard-configuration.postinst
[09:27] <MacroMan> I put an "exit 0" at the top so it didn't configure. It at least let me fix my missing kernel
[09:27] <MacroMan> Does keyboard-configuration matter on a headless/keyboardless server?
[09:28] <lambdoid> I installed ubuntu
[09:28] <lambdoid> what should I do next
[09:29] <SimonNL> updates and enjoy I think
[09:29] <tomreyn> !terminal | lambdoid
[09:29] <MacroMan> What package can I install to get a working kernel back? linux-image-generic?
[09:31] <tomreyn> MacroMan: yes, but the kernel image it installs may be lower than others you have now, making the others take preference unless you uninstall them or choose to override them during boot.
[09:31] <tomreyn> * kernel image version
[09:31] <MacroMan> I did have 4.15.0-20-generic before I had to remove it. Should I install that exact package or the generic one?
[09:32] <tomreyn> MacroMan: the generic one
[09:32] <MacroMan> tomreyn: Thanks
[09:33] <tomreyn> i haven't followed your previous chat here, though, so this is a generic recommendation.
[09:33] <lambdoid> does ubuntu meet the Single Unix Standard?
[09:33] <MacroMan> Will apt keep linux-image-generic up to date with kernel releases?
[09:33] <lambdoid> specification*
[09:35] <MacroMan> tomreyn: I had to do "sudo update-initramfs -k 4.15.0-20-generic -d". Do I need to run update-initramfs now I've installed the new kernel?
[09:37] <tomreyn> lambdoid: most likely not https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_UNIX_Specification#Non-registered_Unix-like_systems - Linux is not Unix.
[09:38] <tomreyn> lambdoid: but then, (how) does it matter?
[09:38] <MacroMan> blackflow: tomreyn: Thanks for all your help. I think I've got back to a stable system now.
[09:39] <tomreyn> MacroMan: unless you manually broke this automatism somehow, the update-initramfs runs automatically after installed a kernel image from supported apt sources.
[09:40] <MacroMan> tomreyn: Excellent thanks. I ran "update-initramfs -u" and "update-grub" just to be sure anyway
[09:42] <tomreyn> MacroMan: linux-image-generic does not actually contain a kernel image, but just depends on the latest kernel image package for the GA kernel. for each ubuntu release, a certain kernel version is picked which this ubuntu release will then always be using. this kernel image still gets security patches and bug fixes during the entire support cycle of this ubuntu release.
[09:43] <MacroMan> Oh I see. So all the time I'm on 18.04, I'll be using  kernel 4.14.0-20 unless I manually upgrade?
[09:45] <tomreyn> MacroMan: if you run "  dpkg -l 'linux*' | pastebinit " you'll upload a list of packages whose names start with linux your system is either aware of, or which are installed, half installed, or of which there are remainders installed.
[09:46] <tomreyn> !info linux-image-generic bionic
[09:46] <tomreyn> MacroMan: as you can see above, Ubuntu 18.04 LTS' GA kernel is based on linux 4.15
[09:48] <tomreyn> MacroMan: so kernel 4.14.0-20 is not part of ubuntu bionic, and never was (it may have been part of a bionic pre-release)
[09:54] <MacroMan> So my system shouldn't be using 4.14.0-20 by default?
[09:55] <MacroMan> Ah 4.15.0-20, sorry
[09:55] <IntelCore> by default you get the right kernel when you select update
[09:56] <IntelCore> about computer >
[09:57] <IntelCore> check for updates
[09:57] <tomreyn> MacroMan: 4.15.0-20 is the current GA kernel image for bionic on architectures which are not amd64 or i386
[09:58] <MacroMan> OK. So I'm all good then
[09:58] <MacroMan> Thanks
[09:58] <tomreyn> MacroMan: what architecture is this?
[09:58] <MacroMan> amd64
[09:58] <MacroMan> Hang on. You said "not amd64 or i386"
[09:59] <tomreyn> MacroMan: right
[09:59] <tomreyn> MacroMan: look here https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/linux-image-generic
[09:59] <YesMan> thanks, i am working right now.  i dont know how you guys have the tiem to learn terminal lol.  i dont.  i will try the cloning links after work.  hopefully can find an easy one
[09:59] <MacroMan> So I should be on 4.15.0-29 for my architecture?
[09:59] <tomreyn> MacroMan: which version is current for amd64 then?
[10:00] <tomreyn> MacroMan: right
[10:01] <MacroMan> OK. I'll install that version. Shouldn't the linux-image-generic pick the right version for me though?
[10:01] <tomreyn> MacroMan: sometimes, the packages.ubuntu.com website lacks behind, so you can actually get a newer version of packages than it will say. but not an older one.
[10:01] <MacroMan> Or is my system not genuinely amd64, despite what it says?
[10:02] <tomreyn> MacroMan: you should not need to install the updated kernel image manually.. maybe all you need to do is to run: sudo apt update; sudo apt full-upgrade
[10:03] <MacroMan> tomreyn: Both full-upgrade and dist-upgrade left minor version 20
[10:03] <tomreyn> MacroMan: if "dpkg --print-architecture" says your system is amd64 then that's what you have
[10:03] <MacroMan> Yeah, amd64
[10:05] <tomreyn> MacroMan: can you post: pastebinit <( apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy linux-image-generic; )
[10:05] <IntelCore> When can I get 18.04 to upgrade?
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | IntelCore
[10:06] <IntelCore> about now
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> IntelCore: thursday 26july
[10:06] <MacroMan> !!! That says I don't have a candidate installed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4mhSx3pZjk/
[10:06] <IntelCore> ty
[10:06] <MacroMan> But the candidate is correct
[10:07] <tomreyn> MacroMan: well what happened when you tries to install it?
[10:08] <MacroMan> Weird. I swear down I'd installed linux-image-generic
[10:08] <MacroMan> But I'm installing as we speak
[10:08] <tomreyn> it is what you said you did
[10:09] <MacroMan> Looks like I'm all good now: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/SBDmg9wsBR/
[10:10] <tomreyn> yes, looks good.
[10:10] <MacroMan> Thank you
[10:11] <tomreyn> MacroMan: so "dpkg -l linux-image-4.15.0-29-generic" shows this package is in state 'ii'?
[10:11] <MacroMan> tomreyn: Yes
[10:12] <tomreyn> MacroMan: and this shows that you have no newer linux-image* packages installed?  dpkg -l 'linux*'
[10:12] <MacroMan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nG7gm8xhG2/
[10:13] <tomreyn> MacroMan: and this shows no newer kernel images installed either? ls -l /boot/vmlinuz-4.*
[10:14] <MacroMan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/83Y3cv6smv/
[10:14] <MacroMan> uname -r shows as 4.15.0-20. I assume that will change with a reboot?
[10:14] <tomreyn> MacroMan: that is correct.
[10:14] <MacroMan> I'll update-grub as well just to be sure!
[10:15] <MacroMan> Loving this pastebinit command. I've been using termbin until now.
[10:17] <MacroMan> tomreyn: You've gone out of your way to help me. Thank you v.much
[10:19] <tomreyn> MacroMan: glad i could help
[10:19] <JimBuntu> !cookie | tomreyn
[10:25] <IntelCore> deja dup says it wants an old usb drive. Need to reset, dconf -f (what directory) ?
[10:26] <IntelCore> currently deja dup backs to /home/user
[10:27] <IntelCore> this ?  dconf reset -f "/org/gnome/deja-dup/"
[10:28] <LuMint> hi
[10:28] <LuMint> how do I get the US international layout with deadkeys and AltGR to work?
[10:29] <LuMint> this one: us(altgr-intl)                   English (international AltGr dead keys)   leaves me without dead keys
[10:29] <LuMint> altgr doesn't work either
[10:29] <LuMint> it acts as a normal US layout, not an international one...
[10:30] <tomreyn> !details | IntelCore
[10:32] <tomreyn> LuMint: for the terminal: sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[10:33] <tomreyn> LuMint: your graphical desktop environment may inherit these, or have modified configurations.
[10:35] <tomreyn> on xubuntu 16.04, you'd configure them in xubuntu menu -> settings -> keyboard -> layout, other desktop environements may be similar.
[10:36] <tomreyn> !rootirc | rocker23
[10:37] <YesMan> Is there a possible gui for clonezilla ?
[10:37] <LuMint> tomreyn: it's lubuntu 14.04
[10:37] <tomreyn> YesMan: did you try 'clonezilla live'?
[10:37] <YesMan> is it in softwar ecenter?
[10:38] <YesMan> i cnat evne find normal clonezilla in there
[10:38] <YesMan> and dont know about installing out side of software center.
[10:38] <YesMan> people in here even warn me aobut that
[10:38] <rocker23> quit
[10:38] <tomreyn> YesMan: no. it's a live linux cd.
 YesMan: if you are looking for cloning full partitions or storages, you can use clonezilla live https://clonezilla.org/
[10:39] <YesMan> thanks. i can make if with usb ?
[10:39] <YesMan> im downloading iso for cdc/dvd
[10:39] <tomreyn> yes, you'll download an iso from there and write it to an usb attached storage, overwriting all data on it
[10:40] <YesMan> good.  then boot into the usb and careful select the drive to copy fro mand the drive to copy too?
[10:41] <tomreyn> yes, i think this is how it works. haven't used it for many years, though.
[10:41] <YesMan> thanks.  i'll give it a go.  just try to be careful not to delete my drive
[10:42] <tomreyn> that'd be good. it's not ubuntu itself, so you'd need to seek support from the clonezilla folks.
[10:42] <YesMan> ok, thanks
[10:43] <rocker23> hi all
[10:45] <rocker23> !
[10:46] <rocker23> quit
[10:46] <rocker23> exit
[10:54] <LuMint> where are the keyboard conf files stored?
[10:54] <LuMint> supposing i was to hack a keyboard layout
[10:54] <LuMint> to have ] and not " to work as a dead key
[11:13] <ubuntufan> does anyone think that ubport is a fesable way to get open source mobile os to the mases or are there financial issues due to non-commerical free software which will not generate revenue how can they compete with the like of google and apple
[11:14] <JimBuntu> ubuntufan, compete the way nature does... symbiosis. Basically, become absorbed by the 'big guys' by having some added benefit.
[11:16] <FManTropyx> "217 packages can be updated"
[11:18] <LuMint> made some changes to /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/US
[11:18] <LuMint> how do I apply it?
[11:18] <lotuspsychje> LuMint: are you on ubuntu mint?
[11:19] <LuMint> unforunately, yes
[11:20] <LuMint> no
[11:20] <lotuspsychje> !mint | LuMint join their irc please
[11:20] <LuMint> uhm
[11:20] <LuMint> there is no "ubuntu mint"
[11:20] <LuMint> i regarded that part of your message as my own nickname
[11:20] <LuMint> i'm running Ubuntu 14.04
[11:21] <LuMint> whatever you would want me to copy from /lsb/release i can paste here
 intresting, my philosphy is ome kind of social theory but hard to see how it would work with the philosophy of the commercial giants being a utilitarian one
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | ubuntufan
[11:21] <lotuspsychje> ubuntufan: not here please
[11:22] <LuMint> http://termbin.com/vght
[11:23] <LuMint> so, what do i have to do?
[11:23] <LuMint> something with dpkg reconfigure?
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> LuMint: can you tell the whole story to the channel, what are you trying to do exactly? with all details
[11:25] <LuMint> lotuspsychje: i'm trying to get ; work as a dead key (dead_diaeresis). for that I modified the /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/US file, and am now trying to apply the changes
[11:25] <LuMint> no luck so far
[11:26] <LuMint> ideally i'd love to have such a dead key modifying the s letter to get the ssharp (ß), because having to hold altgr and press s twice is very awkward
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> LuMint: can this help? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GtkDeadKeyTable
[11:28] <Trident_Barclay> ive got clonezilla booted up, but dont know whether to choose 'device to image'   or devidce to device'   i want t oclone my disk so that the clone is bootable also
[11:28] <Trident_Barclay> device to device ?
[11:29] <LuMint> lotuspsychje: it might, thank you
[11:30] <MacroMan> LuMint: You could setup a keyboard shortcut (in keyboard settings) to a script that uses xdotool to "send" the characters you want.
[11:30] <LuMint> lotuspsychje: it doesn't help with applying the changes I already made though.
[11:30] <LuMint> MacroMan: yeah, I should have thought of that!
[11:30] <LuMint> actually, lxde is also capable of such tricks I suppose...
[11:30] <MacroMan> I use that method as a password sender
[11:30] <Trident_Barclay> ive read the explanations but dont understand the difference
[11:30] <Trident_Barclay> device to device or device to image?   to make a bootable clone
[11:31] <LuMint> anyway, i gotta modify the /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/US first
[11:32] <LuMint> because I don't need so many deadkeys!
[11:32] <LuMint> just need my ä ö ü ß and sometimes é and that's it
[11:33] <LuMint> the question is, how do I apply the changes to that file?
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> LuMint: have you tried a save and good old reboot?
[11:35] <LuMint> lotuspsychje: i hate that solution.
[11:35] <LuMint> there must be something else.
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> LuMint: changing configs need reboot sometimes...
[11:35] <lotuspsychje> LuMint: are you on server perhaps?
[11:36] <LuMint> no
[11:36] <lotuspsychje> LuMint: then just reboot..
[11:36] <LuMint> yeah...
[11:36] <LuMint> btw, where are the gtk executables stored?
[11:37] <Trident_Barclay> nevermind.. i did device to device.. hope its right
[11:37] <LuMint> i'd like to rebuild the gtkimcontextsimple.c
[11:44] <LuMint> lotuspsychje: fail :( "could not load new keyboard configurateion, the .profile session will be configured incorrectly. fix asap"
[11:44] <LuMint> Error loading new keyboard description
[11:46] <LuMint> idk what the fuck just happened but I can type ß and ä alright now.
[11:47] <Trident_Barclay> Buster Merryfield
[11:48] <JimBuntu> !language | LuMint
[11:49] <LuMint> ohh, realy sorry :(
[11:49] <LuMint> JimBuntu: thanks for telling, will be abiding by the rules
[11:51] <LuMint> where are the gtk executables stored?
[12:00] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:00] <LuMint> where are the gtk executables stored?
[12:01] <LuMint> BluesKaj: hi
[12:01] <BluesKaj> hi LuMint
[12:02] <LuMint> looking for gtk executables location
[12:03] <LuMint> MacroMan: could you share your xdotool script?
[12:04] <LuMint> I need one that would 'type ß when there was a sequence of (dead) " and s'
[12:05] <MacroMan> LuMint: Could be much better I'm sure: https://paste.ngx.cc/a87ad1a92835e922
[12:06] <MacroMan> Hopefully give you some ideas and inspiration of what you could do.
[12:14] <LuMint> MacroMan: thx
[12:15] <Guest71918> I installed Ubuntu 18.04 but when I run apt update it fails to download the updated package databases. it always repeats the line forwever...
[12:15] <Guest71918> repeated line: 19% [8 Packages store 6.215 kB] [Warten auf Kopfzeilen] [7 Translation-en 0 B/48,3 kB 0%]
[12:16] <Guest71918> note that the first sources are probably downloaded correctly...
[12:17] <Guest71918> I cant seem to find any issue and there is no error displayed...
[12:17] <jaydemir> so I have an ubuntu 18 based distro installed and I'm dealing with SEVERE keyboard input lag. Upon doing research there are several threads stating this issue on Ubuntu 18 with no real solution. It's even happening in the shell. Any ideas what else I can do? I'm running an 8th gen intel i5 with a gtx 1050 so hardware is out of the question
[12:19] <Guest71918> could the issue with apt not updating be a firewall issue? I mean ping probes and such are blocked but I think the first repositories update without issue.
[12:20] <enaut_> or could it be something else?
[12:20] <enaut_> I don't see why apt does not update.
[12:20] <oerheks> guest using a proxy perhaps?
[12:20] <enaut_> oerheks: you suggest that I use one?
[12:21] <oerheks> no, to the guest with that numer ( please choose a typable name, thanks)
[12:22] <enaut_> oerheks: I did I think I'm the one you mean with the apt problem ;)
[12:22] <oerheks> oh, wait, youdid change, sorry :-D
[12:22] <oerheks> yes, a proxy might be doing this, you know if you are using one
[12:23] <enaut_> oerheks: well its a school computer with a very restricted internet... but the old OS Ubuntu 14.04 does update without issue.
[12:24] <oerheks> 14.04 is still supported, also updates. i guess your school *is* using a proxy
[12:25] <oerheks> this page might be a fix https://www.serverlab.ca/tutorials/linux/administration-linux/how-to-set-the-proxy-for-apt-for-ubuntu-18-04/  or our manual https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto/#Setting_up_apt-get_to_use_a_http-proxy
[12:25] <oerheks> a proxy saves your school tons of gigabits traffic
[12:32] <enaut_> oerheks: Mhm but I can access the internet without any setting so should'nt apt be able to too? In the old system I do not see any proxy setting.
[12:33] <enaut_> Also I wouldn't know what server could that be.
[12:33] <oerheks> enaut_, then i have no idea, ask the administrator?
[12:33] <enaut_> thanks anyways
[12:36] <Rumen> blackflow Definitely there is a conflict between the driver and the card. I alsready understand that soon will not work everything as needed and will wait for new driver or some day will make a fresh instalation ... but for now I want atleast to fix the issue with freeze when start LibreOffice and Google Maps
[12:38] <ioria> enaut_, already tried to change the servers ? systemsettings-> software&updates
[12:40] <blackflow> Rumen: or perhaps, if there's a chance, get a newer GPU. Or borrow it somewhere to test it.
[12:40] <hsiktas> I want to run a better terminal emulator from the Ubuntu repos under Windows 10 with WSL via the VcXsrv X server. which fully featured terminal emulator should I choose if I don't want a gigantic pile of dependencies?
[12:41] <BluesKaj> Rumen, which gpu ?
[12:41] <hsiktas> for example konsole would require 136 new packages
[12:41] <hsiktas> and gnome-termail 137 ^^
[12:41] <hsiktas> terminal
[12:42] <oerheks> !wsl
[12:42] <hsiktas> thx
[12:42] <blackflow> BluesKaj: nvidia GT seven hundred something. GT not GTX.
[12:42] <oerheks> hsiktas, you better seek help in #ubuntu-on-windows
[12:44] <hsiktas> ah, just remembered that rxvt is a common choice for minimal desktops
[12:46] <oerheks> "desktop on wsl".. never designed to do that
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Rumen, run,  sudo lshw -C video to see your exact gpu hardware
[12:46] <enaut_> ioria: now I did thanks but the same issue... the first servers sync well, then all stop to sync they allways stop at the same time and at the same percentage...
[12:46] <enaut_> but I really do not understand why
[12:47] <ioria> enaut_, do you have chrome repo installed or some other 3d party repos ?
[12:47] <enaut_> ioria: no 100% live new install
[12:47] <Richard_Cavell> BluesKaj, doesn't work for me
[12:48] <Richard_Cavell> oh wait sorry it does
[12:48] <enaut_> ioria: I only installed it and tried to update now
[12:49] <enaut_> whats the command to completely clean the apt cache and everything? apt clean all?
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Richard_Cavell, were you Rumen ..nick change?
[12:50] <Richard_Cavell> no
[12:50] <enaut_> ioria: https://pasteboard.co/HvWjwpI.png looks like this and stays like this forever...
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Rumen, looks like your driver should be the nvidia-390
[12:50] <ioria> enaut_, sudo apt clean
[12:50] <akira_> sudo apt-get clean
[12:51] <ioria> enaut_,  close that and try in terminal : sudo apt-get update
[12:52] <BluesKaj> Richard_Cavell, what were you referring to ?
[12:53] <Richard_Cavell> never mind, it's my mistake
[12:53] <enaut_> ioria: same result... after clean... now the last line is: Holen:5 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/main i386 Packages [1.007 kB]          14% [5 Packages 0 B/1.007 kB 0%]
[12:53] <enaut_> ioria: after a while the line with the link gets duplicated...
[12:54] <ioria> enaut_,  cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:58] <enaut_> ioria: I guess you wanted to see the sources.list... because ports are blocked this does not work with nc... here is a paste: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yVK2RVZgcq/
[12:59] <enaut_> ioria: its default sources.list
[13:00] <ioria> enaut_,  uname -a
[13:00] <oerheks> de.archive.ubuntu.com is up2date, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[13:03] <enaut_> ioria: Linux Lehrer 4.15.0-20-generic #21-Ubuntu SMP Tue Apr 24 06:16:15 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[13:05] <ioria> enaut_, i don't get atm why a fresh 64bit install should try to get  i386 Packages
[13:06] <enaut_> mhm me neither...
[13:06] <ioria> brb
[13:14] <enaut_> ioria: with dpkg --remove-architecture i386 I can make it not search for i386 but the error is not solved
[13:16] <kevthanewversi> I'm adding static routes to /etc/network/interfaces using this format > up route add -net 192.x.x.x/24 gw 10.x.x.x dev ethx then restarting networking. Problem is..I can't see them when I run route -n
[13:17] <kevthanewversi> Anyone with an idea why..?
[13:18] <enaut_> ioria, others: it always stops on downloading the translations no matter which repository: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KsDdz8NkR5/
[13:19] <raidghost> Why is Killer E2500 pain to get working correctly?
[13:19] <compdoc> wireless?
[13:19] <Rumen> BluesKaj  GT730 Nvidia
[13:19] <raidghost> compdoc: not wireless
[13:19] <raidghost> Qualcomm Atheros Killer E2500 Gigabit Ethernet Controller
[13:20] <compdoc> what version of ubuntu?
[13:20] <raidghost> After 2 days the card stop responding. And a reboot is needed to get it working for maybe 2 new days
[13:20] <raidghost> 18.04 LTS Server
[13:21] <Rumen> BluesKaj   https://pastebin.com/xt9RVB3y
[13:22] <Rumen> BluesKaj   -  Never changed my nick! Maybe is doubled the issue.
[13:22] <Rumen> BluesKaj  -   Yes, my Driver is Nvidia-390
[13:26] <kevthanewversi> I'm adding static routes to /etc/network/interfaces using this format > up route add -net 192.x.x.x/24 gw 10.x.x.x dev ethx then restarting networking. Problem is..I can't see them when I run route -n. Anyone with an idea why..
[13:26] <BluesKaj> Rumen, the experimental 396 driver might work, try sudo apt install nvidia-396 ..it will auto replace the 390, or you can remove the 390 first if you wish
[13:26] <Rumen> BluesKaj   maybe 1 week speaking with blackflow about that
[13:27] <BluesKaj> Rumen, yesterday a user did just that and it solved his issue
[13:28] <Rumen> BluesKaj  - The package can not be found
[13:28] <BluesKaj> Rumen, which ubuntu?
[13:28] <Rumen> BluesKaj   maybe it is   nvidia-driver-396 ?
[13:29] <Rumen> Ubuntu 18=04 / 64 / LTS
[13:29] <LuMint> hi
[13:29] <Rumen> eeeeee   18.04
[13:29] <LuMint> im trying to enter ß with altgr+s, but it doesnt work
[13:29] <Rumen> Back in a minute
[13:29] <LuMint> http://termbin.com/xfz6
 xmodmap -pke:  'keycode 108 = Multi_key Multi_key Multi_key Multi_key" for Key 108
 keycode  39 = s S Cyrillic_yeru Cyrillic_YERU ssharp section for Key 39
[13:31] <BluesKaj> Rumen, you might want to download the driver from nvidia, altho it's not supported in the kernel upgrades you can lock it, but I can't recall how that's done
[13:33] <BluesKaj> Rumen, how did the default open source nouveau driver work when you first installed 18,04?
[13:40] <sweb> Why failt2ban not block sshd "Failed publickey for myusername from "
[13:49] <lotuspsychje> kevthanewversi: perhaps a question more for ##networking?
[13:50] <lotuspsychje> sweb: check #openssh they might know that one
[13:50] <blackflow> sweb: is there a regex defined for that particular message?
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> raidghost: system up to date to latest? did you try different firmwares yet for atheros?
[13:52] <easyOnMe> hello
[13:52] <easyOnMe> how do I get back to the previous chat messages that I missed earlier
[13:53] <lotuspsychje> !logs | easyOnMe
[13:53] <easyOnMe> !logs | easyOnMe
[13:54] <blackflow> easyOnMe: /lastlog easyOnMe 10   to see, say, last 10 posts mentioning your nick, if that's what you meant
[13:54] <easyOnMe> blackflow: ok thanks :)
[13:55] <easyOnMe> blackflow:sorry but the command you gave did not work for me
[13:56] <easyOnMe> blackflow: is says unknown command lastlog
[13:56] <easyOnMe> /!logs
[13:56] <blackflow> easyOnMe: bah, get a better irc client ;)
[13:56] <easyOnMe> /!logs | easyOnMe
[13:57] <easyOnMe> blackflow: I use freenode
[13:58] <oerheks> easyOnMe,  go to that website, logs do not appear in your irc client
[13:58] <easyOnMe> oerheks: yeah i did but I got stuck
[13:58] <easyOnMe> after I opened 2018 i do not know which ubuntu to open
[13:58] <oerheks> logs get updated every hour, so..
[13:59] <easyOnMe> ubuntu folder
[13:59] <oerheks> oh, just keep on searching
[13:59] <easyOnMe> oerheks: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/07/24/
[13:59] <oerheks> too hot to google for you
[13:59] <easyOnMe> I do not know which folder inside that url
[14:00] <oerheks> try #<channel> you were in ?
[14:00] <easyOnMe> oerheks: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2018/07/24/%23lubuntu.html
[14:01] <easyOnMe> that is the only close I could find but nothing came out except for someone changing his user name
[14:01] <easyOnMe> our channel is #ubuntu
[14:01] <easyOnMe> so I looked for it nothing came out
[14:03] <easyOnMe> never mind I found it
[14:05] <easyOnMe> blackflow: sorry you were saying about the 755 for directories and 644 for files for the user group www-data right
[14:07] <easyOnMe> blackflow: so when I use those permissions for the subdomain to become accessible in the /var/www/html/ folder I will use this command: sudo chmod 755 /var/www/html/subDomainFolder
[14:11] <Rumen> BluesKaj - Better the the Nvidia in terms of stability, but worst in terms of functionality
[14:11] <easyOnMe> oerheks: If I want a subdomain to become accessible in the /var/www/html/subDomainRoot folder I will use this command: sudo chmod 755 /var/www/html/subDomainFolder
[14:12] <easyOnMe> oerheks: is that command correct
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> !patience | easyOnMe
[14:12] <Rumen> BluesKaj - now I can't use it as well, because the machine start working only in 640 x 480
[14:13] <oerheks> what guide do you follow, easyOnMe ?
[14:13] <easyOnMe> oerheks: what do you mean guide
[14:13] <easyOnMe> I was just basing my conclusion from the advice given my someone earlier
[14:13] <easyOnMe> if I am not mistaken by blackflow
[14:14] <easyOnMe> so I reckon based on what I understand I would give that terminal command
[14:14] <lotuspsychje> Rumen: wich driver are you currently testing?
[14:15] <easyOnMe> my concern is that when I add more folders to the subDomain folder which becomes the document root for the subdomain will the succeeding addition of files and folders be accessible also
[14:17] <BluesKaj> Rumen, sounds like you need to regress to either the the 340 maybe the 384  or nouveau
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> Rumen: check ubuntu-drivers list to see whats available for your system
[14:20] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, he's been trying with recommended 390, but has issues with it, I told him to try 396 experimental, but his resolution will do only 640 x 480
[14:22] <easyOnMe> or is this a better terminal command to achieve what I want: sudo chmod 755 -R /var/www/html/
[14:22] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, the 396 is from the nvidia website
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj Rumen  i read 390.77 does good things
[14:25] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, aha, maybe that'll do the job, his gpu is bit old , but it's still a pretty good card
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: it has been mentioned in the latest UWN
[14:26] <BluesKaj> UWn?
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> !uwn | BluesKaj
[14:30] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, thanks, just subscribed :-0
[14:30] <BluesKaj> :-)
[14:30] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: welcome, bashing-om and the team working on it hard every week #ubuntu-news
[14:31] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, cool !
[14:31] <BluesKaj> lotuspsychje, does this newsletter include all the flavors as well ?
[14:32] <lotuspsychje> BluesKaj: yeah its news from the whole ubuntu
[14:32] <BluesKaj> good stuff
[14:33] <raidghost> lotuspsychje: System is up to date. just tried another firmware. to check if that helps
[14:34] <lotuspsychje> !atheros | raidghost take a look here howto
[14:34] <raidghost> Its not a wireless card
[14:34] <raidghost> But i guess its the same stuff
[14:37] <lotuspsychje> raidghost: just curious, wich kernel are you on currently?
[14:39] <raidghost> lotuspsychje: Linux mediabox 4.15.0-24201807041620-generic #0+mediatree+hauppauge-Ubuntu
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> raidghost: bionic has currently .29 i thought you said you were up to date?
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic bionic | raidghost
[14:41] <raidghost> lotuspsychje: would that overwrite my now running kernel?
[14:41] <raidghost> since my tvtuner cards needs patches to work
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> raidghost: is that a modified ekrnel you running?
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> kernel
[14:43] <raidghost> lotuspsychje: http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/support/support_linux.html
[14:43] <raidghost> apt-get says i allready have the <IP_ADDRESS>.31
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> raidghost: we can only support vanilla mainline kernels mate sorry
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> raidghost: prob you card chipset lacks due to kernel version..
[14:46] <raidghost> Happy me then. the card was not working before i installed the tvtuner card drivers , so I guess i just disable the killer card, and buy a pci-e intel card
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> raidghost: cant you test with a liveusb or something?
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> raidghost: also, keep running older kernel versions isnt prob the best idea neither, surely for 24/7 servers
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> raidghost: perhaps poke the maintainer?
[14:48] <raidghost> lotuspsychje: The thingy is "Over time" the card stop working i had to reboot the server saturday. and yesterday it stopped responding
[14:48] <rory> guys how can I improve on my incredibly hacky telnet server? while true; do bash script.sh | nc -l 23; done
[14:48] <raidghost> Trying to figure out what the banana is happening
[14:49] <lotuspsychje> raidghost: .24 kernel had some issues, needed to fix and then they released .29 so you have to do something mate
[14:50] <lotuspsychje> raidghost: best not keep running .24
[14:51] <raidghost> lotuspsychje: So what syntax then?
[14:51] <raidghost> what is the latest kernel?
[14:51] <lotuspsychje> raidghost: scroll up i pasted you
[14:52] <raidghost> apt says You allready got the latest version of linux-image-generic (<IP_ADDRESS>.31)
[14:52] <raidghost> when i tried to install it
[14:53] <lotuspsychje> raidghost: oh ok
[14:53] <blackflow> Bionic software updater broken again. pops up, empty list, apt list --upgradable shows 66 packages.
[14:54] <raidghost> lotuspsychje: So it doesnt make sense that i run .24
[14:54] <raidghost> when it says i allready got <IP_ADDRESS>.31
[14:54] <lotuspsychje> raidghost: wonder why that uname said 24
[14:54] <raidghost> mm. weird
[14:55] <lotuspsychje> raidghost: how about you try to boot another kernel as test, see if atheros works there
[14:56] <lotuspsychje> raidghost: perhaps things got scrambled after the .29 update?
[14:56] <raidghost> lotuspsychje: Atheros works as long as it feels like working. Its when i dont expect it to fail it fails
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> raidghost: perhaps you should keep a tail -f /var/log/syslog open for a while, see whats going on in there
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> raidghost: i suspect, or kernel, or different firmware
[15:01] <neildugan> join #gnome
[15:05] <blackflow> There we go, 18.04.1. mmmmmmh.
[15:10] <neildugan> I am having trouble with this code https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pt9R355xn6/ .... it subclasses Gtk.Entry then creates two additional subclasses from that ... EnteryUppercase and EntryFilter ... testing each one on its own works fine ... but if I test both together I get errors ... EntryUppercase seems to think it should have the from EnteryFilter ... what am I doing wrong?
[15:10] <neildugan> opps wrong channel
[15:10] <crankharder> if I use dd to write a 512G hard drive to file, will I end up with a 512G file or a smaller file containing just the contents of that drive?
[15:13] <blackflow> crankharder: the size of of= will be the same at if= unless you used a count=
[15:13] <blackflow> *same az
[15:13] <blackflow> *as            .... lol.
[15:14] <blackflow> so if if= is a the block device of 512G, that's what the size of of= will be.
[15:15] <TvL2386> yup, dd does not care about filesystems or files if you are going to dd a drive to a file. It will just be read from beginning to end. And if the disk is 512G big, the file will as well
[15:16] <TvL2386> perfect backup :)
[15:16] <BluesKaj> dd is bit for bit afaik
[15:17] <oerheks> compress it ? dd if=/dev/sda1 bs=4M | gzip > /path/to/<name>.img.gz
[15:17] <TvL2386> BluesKaj: according to the man page it reads 512 bytes at a time
[15:17] <blackflow> damn, could've pulled off an abbot and costello with   if if and of of   :)
[15:17] <TvL2386> have a speed indicator as well? `pv /dev/sda | gzip > /path/to/<name>.img.gz`
[15:18] <blackflow> don't think even need dd for that.     pv -r /dev/sda | xz > better-compressed.img.xz
[15:19] <TvL2386> might wanna `dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/zero ; sync ; rm /tmp/zero` for optimal compression :)
[15:19] <oerheks> xz is fine too.. progress indicator are for starters
[15:19] <BluesKaj> TvL2386, unless one designates a block size like 4M sync
[15:19] <TvL2386> hahaha :)
[15:19] <TvL2386> xz is not fine, it is sloooooooooooooow
[15:19] <TvL2386> or my laptop is slooooooooooow
[15:21] <blackflow> use zstd then
[15:36] <rory> how can I improve on my incredibly hacky telnet server? while true; do bash script.sh | nc -l 23; done
[15:43] <tomreyn> rory: replace it by something that's not a telnet server
[15:43] <rory> ehh it's just a bit of fun
[15:43] <skinux> If I want to convert a VM installed desktop into a VMware headless machine, would I need to install a package on guest system to allow vagrant to authenticate with user account?
[15:43] <rory> it's not literally a telnet server with a shell on the other end!
[15:44] <tomreyn> rory: well, you could ask in #bash, sharing the script
[15:44] <rory> script doesn't matter
[15:45] <rory> Obviously piping some lines to "nc -l" will technically work
[15:45] <rory> ffor one user at once
[15:45] <rory> I'm wondering is there some lightweight framework to do this pattern
[15:48] <kapil___> I purchased new(old) pc. Which Os I install? I am react web developer
[15:54] <tomreyn> kapil___: we only support ubuntu here, not "which Os should i install" type questions
[15:55] <tomreyn> kapil___: if you're looking for suggestion son a linux distribution, you could ask in ##linux. or just give ubuntu a try. it runs from the installer image almost like a full installation.
[15:56] <boogle> Maybe lubuntu or xubuntu because they are lighter on resources.
[15:57] <kapil___> tomreyn: thanks
[15:57] <kapil___> boogle: thanks
[15:59] <kapil___> boogle: what is the difference two
[16:00] <oerheks> !flavors
[16:01] <boogle> Xubuntu feels a bit more solid and has some nicer features like rounded corners on windows, but it comes at the cost of processing power. Both are user-friendly. It mostly about which environment suits you best. I see a lot more xubuntu computers than lubuntu ones but it is up to you.
[16:03] <kapil___> boogle: thanks I also like xfce so I will install xubuntu
[16:03] <boogle> np. if you don't like that one check out mate ubuntu as well.
[16:04] <boogle> It's similiar in effects, but closer replicates gnome 2.
[16:04] <boogle> or the old ubuntus eg. before gnome3 or unity.
[16:05] <tomreyn> those are EOL, though
[16:05] <boogle> If it's not clear I'm saying that mate ubuntu replicates the feel of the old ones.
[16:05] <boogle> Came across wrong.
[16:06] <tomreyn> thanks for clarifying.
[16:06] <boogle> np
[16:07] <kapil___> mate Ubuntu is better than xfce?
[16:07] <boogle> I like it more, but I'm biased towards the old ubuntus. Lots of good memories.
[16:08] <kapil___> boogle: so you use x Ubuntu?
[16:08] <mustmodify> When I login I see "system restart required." Is there a command that will tell me what will happen when I restart? Presumably it's a software update. Just want to know how risky this will be. It's a production server.
[16:09] <boogle> No, when I run ubuntu I use Mate. Though right now, I'm running Arch. I like to have the newest packages for C and C++ dev.
[16:10] <boogle> They do have a ubuntu mate for the rpi and sometimes I run that.
[16:11] <kapil___> boogle: I like arch too
[16:11] <kapil___> What arch you using?
[16:12] <oerheks> gus, keep this channel free for ubuntu support
[16:12] <oerheks> join #ubuntu-offtopic for that, thanks
[16:12] <boogle> The newest, it's rolling release. I run lxqt for a desktop though. Sorry, oerheks.
[16:12] <kapil___> oerheks: sorry ok
[16:13] <boogle> Ah I'm not registered so I can't.
[16:13] <tomreyn> mustmodify: you can look at /var/log/unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrades.log to see which packages were automatically installed last, or at /var/log/apt/history.log to see the recently requested (triggered by software running on the server, or a user) actions on apt packages.
[16:14] <mustmodify> tomreyn: thanks! will do.
[16:14] <boogle> Anyway, I would personally pick MATE, XFCE, LXDE. Unless I'm on a slow system then I would pick LXDE
[16:15] <boogle> Hope this helps. gtg.
[16:16] <tomreyn> mustmodify: you could use apt-listchanges to create digests on packages which were recently updated. those can also be sent by e-mail.
[16:16] <tomreyn> *changelogs of packages
[16:25] <root> HI
[16:25] <root> hello
[16:25] <oerheks> !rootirc
[16:25] <Guest34741> How are you guys??
[16:26] <Guest34741> Ok lefting root mode :)
[16:26] <nacc> Guest34741: ubuntu support topics only in this channel, please; not chitchat
[16:27] <Guest34741> Ok.
[16:27] <Guest34741> I just freaked out.
[16:32] <oerheks> !isitout
[16:32] <oerheks> 18.04.1 \0/
[16:45] <Rumen> lotuspsychje  - Nvidia-390
[16:45] <lotuspsychje> Rumen: did it work?
[16:46] <BaKKaR> hello everyone, a question with flatpak pls :)
 340 does not work - install automatically 390. I can try 384 - how? From the Nvidia site? Nouveau already installed, but it works only in 640 x 480
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> !ask | BaKKaR
[16:47] <BaKKaR> i have installed flatpack, and as explained i have added the repos but it is not allowing me to install anything and says cannot connect to the repos. I try flatpak search as well and it sees no mtach .. i have seen online a command (flatpack repair) but it is not found when i try it n terminal .. any help on how to fixt my repos and get them back to default?
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> Rumen: ubuntu-drivers list to see your available drivers
[16:48] <nacc> Ballzak:
[16:48] <lotuspsychje> BaKKaR: why did you add repos? flatpak is on the official repos
[16:48] <nacc> BaKKaR: as explained?
[16:48] <nacc> Ballzak: sorry, typo
[16:48] <Rumen> lotuspsychje: check ubuntu-drivers list to see whats available for your system - How? When I open System updates it gives 390 or nouveau. If I install via terminal some driver it appear as "Manually installed" and no settings are availabe.
[16:49] <nacc> Rumen: as in, run that command.
[16:49] <nacc> `ubuntu-drivers list`
[16:49] <Rumen> lotuspsychje   I'm with 390.77 at the moment.
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> Rumen: and it also doesnt work properly?
[16:50] <nacc> BaKKaR: https://flatpak.org/setup/Ubuntu/ is that what you followed?
[16:50] <nacc> lotuspsychje: they might have meant they added the flathub repo
[16:51] <BaKKaR> lotuspsychje: i have checked online and i read on some FAQs that you can re-add the repos "if flatpak" cannot find it by using   (flatpak remote-add https://dl.flathub.org/repo/flathub.flatpakrep
[16:51] <BaKKaR> is this correct?
[16:51] <Rumen> ubuntu-drivers list
[16:51] <Rumen> nvidia-driver-390
[16:51] <Rumen> nvidia-340
[16:51] <win_vlad> Hello
[16:52] <win_vlad> Anyone here?
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> Rumen: ok, try sudo apt install nvidia-340 as a test
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> win_vlad: do you have an ubuntu question?
[16:52] <win_vlad> No
[16:52] <win_vlad> By the way
 With 390.77 computer freeze when I open LibreOffice or Google Maps in any browser
[16:52] <win_vlad> I got it from rollapp
[16:52] <BaKKaR> lotuspsychje: I have done similar, except i did not install from PPA and installed from Ubuntu Repos.
[16:52] <win_vlad> Im from windows right now :p
[16:53] <nacc> win_vlad: this is the ubuntu support channel, not for random chitchat.
[16:53] <BaKKaR> nacc: I have done similar, except i did not install from PPA and installed from Ubuntu Repos.
[16:53] <win_vlad> oh, support channel?
[16:53] <nacc> BaKKaR: ok, and which step doesn't work?
[16:53] <win_vlad> I didnt know
[16:53] <nacc> win_vlad: yes, see /topic.
[16:53] <BaKKaR> nacc: all works fine except when i try to install anything
[16:54] <Rumen> Testing
[16:54] <nacc> BaKKaR: use a pastebin and show what you mean?
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> BaKKaR: wich flatpak version is that by the way?
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> Rumen: another option could be from terminal: ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
[16:55] <BaKKaR> lotuspsychje: 0.10.2
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> Rumen: then we will see wich driver it will reccomend
[16:55] <nacc> BaKKaR: ... what version of ubuntu?
[16:55] <nacc> BaKKaR: that flatpak version is not in any supported ubuntu, afaict
[16:55] <BaKKaR> nacc: i am still on 16.04
[16:56] <nacc> BaKKaR: no flatpak on 16.04
[16:56] <nacc> !info flatpak xenial | BaKKaR
[16:56] <lotuspsychje> BaKKaR: is there a specific reason you need flatpak instead of snaps?
[16:56] <BaKKaR> nacc:  mmmm, how do i have it then installed? :)
[16:57] <nacc> BaKKaR: you used a PPA? `apt-cache policy flatpak` in a pastebin, please
[16:57] <BaKKaR> lotuspsychje: some windows apps are packed in wine with flatpak and I could not get wine configured properly (EVER) so, i wanted the shortcut :(
[16:57] <bjonnh> I am having issues with LXD
[16:58] <bjonnh> lvl=eror msg="Failed to start the daemon: ZFS storage pool \"juju-zfs\" could not be imported: cannot import 'juju-zfs': no such pool available\n" t=2018-07-24T11:54:03-0500
[16:58] <nacc> bjonnh: #lxcontainers may be more useful
[16:58] <nacc> bjonnh: but also that message is quite clear :)
[16:58] <Rumen> lotuspsychje   340 crashed with error code 1  https://pastebin.com/52Bu8rPH
[16:58] <bjonnh> nacc: why does it even need juju?
[16:59] <nacc> bjonnh: it doesn't? that's just the name of the configured pool you have setup with ZFS
[16:59] <nacc> bjonnh: I don't know how you installed LXD, but that's certainly not the default.
[16:59] <blackflow> Rumen: can you prefix that command with LC_ALL=C and try again? neat trick to get it temporarily use C locale, as you're apparently using something cyrilic.
[17:00] <bjonnh> I didn't have that, I was with default,zfs,lxd
[17:00] <nacc> bjonnh: dunno, something in your config for sure
[17:00] <BaKKaR> nacc: apt-cashe here https://pastebin.com/0nmC3GpZ .. thank you
[17:00] <nacc> BaKKaR: so... definitely using a PPA
[17:01] <nacc> BaKKaR: the neon one is providing your flatpak version
[17:01] <nacc> (and appears to be a copy from the one the flatpak mentions, which is not great)
[17:02] <BaKKaR> nacc: apt-cashe here https://pastebin.com/0nmC3GpZ .. thank you?
[17:02] <nacc> BaKKaR: ... i just replied to you, twice?
[17:02] <BaKKaR> nacc: I get it now .. so better to get it from the oriinal PPA instead of this repo?
[17:02] <nacc> BaKKaR: dunno, i never use flatpak. But both are not supported here (for xenial)
[17:03] <BaKKaR> nacc: sorry, the K/B just did re-paste :)
[17:03] <BaKKaR> nacc: thank you so much
[17:03] <sentiment> hello. Do you think music metadata such as artist names must be case sensitive ?
[17:03] <nacc> sentiment: uh ... what does that have to do with ubuntu?
[17:04] <sentiment> Rhythbox and Banshee both treat them as case sensitive, but I am not quite sure if that's correct.
[17:04] <nacc> sentiment: sounds like a question for those communities; it seems user-dependent if that matters or not.
[17:05] <sentiment> nacc: well just a few days ago I had a question about Banshee and it occured to me this might not be the right place to talk about it, but then someone said it was OK
[17:05] <nacc> sentiment: i mean, you can ask about it, but your original question is about how metadata should be sorted or not, which isn't really up to "ubuntu"
[17:05] <sentiment> nacc: so do you think I should open a question on their Lanuchpad?
[17:05] <nacc> sentiment: dunno, that's up to you.
[17:06] <sentiment> hmm ok
[17:06] <nacc> sentiment: i wonder if it's a setting you can toggle; but honestly this doesn't seem like that big of a deal; and I would expect the string metadata to absolutely be case sensitive.
[17:07] <sentiment> there's no such toggle. I agree it's not a big deal but when I have e.g Dido, DIDO in the artists pane, and I want to play all Dido songs I can't easily do that.
[17:08] <sentiment> and it's not just one artist or two... anyway I think I need to seek opinions on Launchpad
[17:10] <nacc> sentiment: http://banshee.fm/support/guide/searching/ says queries are always case insensitive
[17:13] <Aleric> Hi, what verion of ubuntu do I need to get kernel 4.15 or higher?
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> !bionic | Aleric
[17:14] <Aleric> Strange... my box has kernel 4.4.0 .. I'm pretty sure I have it on 'stable', but it doesn't seem to upgrade beyond xenial :/
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> Aleric: wich ubuntu version are you on?
[17:14] <Aleric> How can I check what ubuntu version I have? :)
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> !version | Aleric
[17:15] <Aleric> xenial it says
[17:15] <Aleric> 16.04
[17:15] <tomreyn> Aleric: 16.04's HWE also provides 4.15 currently
[17:15] <tomreyn> !hwe
[17:16] <Aleric> I don't need it right now - I'd need it for a motherboard that I'm considering buying. Nevertheless I want to run the latest 'stable'. Is xenial the latest 'stable', if not, then how can I upgrade?
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> !ltsupgrade | Aleric
[17:17] <loginoob> When i start my system ubuntu gives me error "Your system is running in low graphics" I select the option "run default" and then it starts. What can i do to resolve this?
[17:17] <luckwhoami> 16.04 LTS with latest security updates result in frequent hangup
[17:18] <nacc> Aleric: for a new mobo, are you going to be reinstalling?
[17:18] <Aleric> lotuspsychje: So, eventually just a 'sudo apt update; sudo apt upgrade' will bring me to 18.04 ?
[17:18] <lotuspsychje> luckwhoami: have you tested booting a previous kernel?
[17:18] <nacc> Aleric: not ever true :)
[17:18] <Aleric> nacc, yes
[17:18] <nacc> Aleric: if you're going to fresh install, then upgrades don't matter
[17:18] <nacc> Aleric: just install 18.04?
[17:19] <Taggnostr2> I have a machine with ubuntu 17.04 32bit installed on a ssd, and 2 hdd under lvm (the ssd is not under lvm).  The ssd has two partitions, 1 for / (20G) and one for /home (100G), then I have other lvm partitions under /home/* for the hdds.  Can I safely format and install 18.04 64bit on the / partition, leaving all the other partitions untouched?
[17:19] <luckwhoami> @lotuspsychje: no
[17:19] <nacc> Aleric: but upgrades between releases are done with do-release-upgrade
[17:19] <nacc> !eol | Taggnostr2: 17.04 is eol.
[17:19] <Aleric> I know, I asked two questions at once sorry.  My last/current question is how I can upgrade my current box to 18.04 if that is the latest LTS.
[17:19] <tomreyn> 17.04 | Taggnostr2
[17:19] <tomreyn> !17.04 | Taggnostr2
[17:20] <nacc> Taggnostr2: in theory what you described is possible, yes
[17:20] <nacc> Aleric: do-release-upgrade will do it in a few days
[17:20] <nacc> Aleric: not yet supported to upgrade to 18.04 from 16.04 (july 26)
[17:21] <Aleric> My /etc/apt/sources.list file contains a reference to 'xenial' directly, ie: deb http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial main restricted
[17:21] <nacc> Aleric: yes.
[17:21] <Aleric> Will do-release-upgrade work anyway?
[17:21] <Taggnostr2> nacc, anything I should double check before pulling the trigger?
[17:22] <nacc> Taggnostr2: just make sure you have backups of data you care about :)
[17:22] <Rumen> blackflow  You mean "sudo apt install nvidia-340 LC_ALL=C"
[17:22] <nacc> Aleric: sorry, for what? to upgrade to 18.04? no, it won't provide you that option
[17:22] <luckwhoami> has anybody faced issue w.r.t high cpu load after latest updates
[17:23] <nacc> Aleric: just wait a few days
[17:23] <FreeSociety> i just downloaded ubuntu for my hp laptop wireless signal very good on windows 10 but tried to use ubuntu and it keeps dropping singal and is very low what does this mean
[17:23] <Taggnostr2> nacc, the plan is to start 18.04 from a live usb, install it, select the / partition, tell the installer to format it -- will lvm on the other partitions still work or should the new os be made aware of that somehow?  should I keep some config files from the / partition?
[17:23] <Aleric> nacc, I mean - will it work anyway in a few days :)
[17:23] <Aleric> I thought I needed to have 'stable' in my source.list file instead of 'xenial'.
[17:23] <Aleric> source*
[17:23] <Aleric> sources*
[17:23] <nacc> Aleric: that's debian terminology
[17:23] <Aleric> Oh, sorry.
[17:24] <nacc> Taggnostr2: you should tell it to use those other LVMs in the new install
 I can translate whatever you need
[17:24] <nacc> Taggnostr2: i believe that's possible in the partitioner -- tell it *not* to partition those, but use them as-is, and mount them in the right place
[17:24] <Taggnostr2> nacc, ok
[17:25] <tomreyn> FreeSociety: that the default support on linux is not as good as it is on windows. luckily, on linux, you may be able to improve upon it if it's open source drivers (though firmware, which is usually closed source, also matters).
[17:25] <nacc> Taggnostr2: but still make backups :)
[17:26] <lotuspsychje> luckwhoami: wich kernel version is making your lockup?
[17:27] <tomreyn> FreeSociety: if you can tell us the ubuntu version you are running and the exact hp laptop model as well as the output of 'lsusb' and 'lspci -nn', we can maybe help yu improve upon this situation.
[17:27] <Taggnostr2> nacc, I already did, even though it's a lot of data so there are some not essential things that I couldn't backup
[17:27] <luckwhoami> lotuspsychje: 4.4.0-131-generic
[17:27] <nacc> Taggnostr2: ok
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> luckwhoami: check your syslog or dmesg to see whats going on, or try booting a previous kernel to compare
[17:28] <Aleric> I'm thinking of building a new PC as soon as the second generation ThreadRipper comes out with 32 cores and 64 threads.  Trying to find ubuntu compatible motherboards now etc. It's kinda bleeding edge I guess, but not really because it should be compatible with already existing SocketTR4 mobo's that are used for the first generation ThreadRippers.
[17:29] <Taggnostr2> nacc, thanks for your time :)
[17:29] <nacc> Taggnostr2: yw
[17:29]  * Aleric buys everyone a beer. Thanks for the help.
[17:29] <lotuspsychje> Aleric: later hardware might need later kernels
[17:31] <tomreyn> + firmware, too. ryzen 1 took >1 year to get stable firmware for linux, and it still requires bios configuration changes.
[17:31] <codefria_> whenever I try to start the xrdp service, it fails. I'm trying to debug it, but journalctl -xe doesn't say anything more than control process exited. thoughts?
[17:31] <Aleric> lotuspsychje: Latest info that I could find is that kernel 4.14 had the first initial support for a wifi card on the one of the new motherboards and that a kernel module for the thermal sensors was going to be included standard as of 4.15.  I don't need the wifi, but the thermal sensors are kinda necessary I think ;).
[17:32] <nacc> codefria_: try to run it by hand?
[17:32] <Aleric> Over all the X399 chipset doesn't seem to give problems.
[17:35] <codefria_> nacc the service is xrdp, not sure how I'd go about running that outside the service
[17:35] <quix> Hi. Is there a way to change the data directory of a specific program? I know some programs can be launched with the -datadir attribute, but this doesn't seem to work for all programs. Any ideas? Thanks!
[17:35] <nacc> codefria_: see what the service executes and run it by hand
[17:36] <nacc> quix: completely depends on the program
[17:37] <quix> nacc, thanks!
[17:39] <qwebirc4983> hi
[17:40] <qwebirc4983> Kawhi Leonard
[17:40] <codefria_> nacc well, running xrdp as root, loads it fine. #confused.
[17:40] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc4983: can we help you?
[17:41] <codefria_> though, the rdp screen is blank
[17:43] <qwebirc60402> Do you guys know anything about piping input commands to a "installer" .sh file?
[17:44] <qwebirc60402> I know what I am piping into the file is correct but yet it doesn't work.
[17:46] <qwebirc60402> Anyone got any ideas?
[17:47] <lotuspsychje> qwebirc60402: perhaps more a question for ##linux
[17:47] <qwebirc60402> Could it be because the installer file asks for a password (and it looks to expect the password to be enetered interactively
[17:47] <qwebirc60402> kk thx
[17:48] <Silversword_> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
[17:48] <lotuspsychje> !ot | Silversword_
[17:50] <Pici> lotuspsychje: for the record, we don't want that nonsense in -offtopic either.
[17:51] <lotuspsychje> Pici: what should i reccomend next time
[17:52] <Pici> lotuspsychje: either tell them to knock it off, or call ops or similar.
[17:52] <lotuspsychje> kk
[17:53] <Draconiator> Okay what the crap is going on?  Some people here are invading other networks, people there think it's a smear campaign.
[17:53] <Guest75333> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
[17:53] <Draconiator> yeah,
[17:54] <Draconiator> there at Espernet too argh.
[18:10] <InHisName> Hello, I've stated building  Aorus x399 with NVMe raid 0.  Tried to start installing Ubuntu 18.04 but it doesn't seem to recognize the raid setup in the BIOS.  Is there a way to get this going as the boot system ?  Should I raid in software rather than the BIOS ?
[18:11] <tomreyn> InHisName: yes, use software raid rather than fakeraid
[18:14] <tomreyn> also be sure to install the latest firmware and set bios option 'power supply idle control' = 'typical current', not 'auto', not 'optimized'.
[18:16] <mikek> connect
[18:16] <mikek> exit
[18:17] <InHisName> tomreyn: is the fakeraid as you callit even useable by Ubuntu at all ?
[18:17] <lotuspsychje> !raid | InHisName
[18:22] <tomreyn> InHisName: depends, but it's not usually a good idea.
[18:23] <gracious1> moon
[18:33] <melkor> I am looking to install some broadcom drivers, what would be the appropriate package?
[18:33] <melkor> Also, a good website to check because google seems to send me to old ask ubuntu questions and I would prefer not to follow outdated guides.
[18:34] <lotuspsychje> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras | melkor
[18:37] <melkor> Is that a repository?
[18:37] <oerheks> or !bcm
[18:37] <melkor> !bcm
[18:38] <melkor> Okay, so the sta drivers are the recent ones. I didn't enable ubuntu-restricted-extras, but apt search seems to find them.
[18:38] <Quokka_> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
[18:38] <Quokka_> or maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
[18:38] <Quokka_> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
[18:38] <lotuspsychje> !ops | Quokka_
[18:38] <oerheks> !ops
[18:44] <jayjo_> I use atom as my text editor, is there a way to bind a keyboard shortcut to open a new buffer in a new window with atom (or something else) just for scratchpad notes?
[18:45] <pkutzner> I'm wondering if anyone can help me with a CD burning issue I'm having in Bionic
[18:46] <pkutzner> Wodim throws an error about not being able to use mmap, even though my user is part of the cdrom group
[18:46] <pkutzner> I don't wish to SUID on wodim, as it was unnecessary before 18.04
[18:47] <ceibal> HOLA
[18:49] -Shrooms_:#ubuntu- Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
[18:49] -Shrooms_:#ubuntu- or maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
[18:50] <oerheks> jayjo_, atom is not in our repos, afaik..
[18:51] <oerheks> there is a keys wiki, https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/keyboard-shortcuts-set.html.en
[18:52] <Lord-Kamina> What does the gcc-defaults package actually do?
[18:53] <oerheks> !info gcc-defaults
[18:55] <ceibal> DIEGO
[18:56] <JollyRgrs_> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
[18:56] <JollyRgrs_> or maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
[18:56] <JollyRgrs_> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
[18:56] -JollyRgrs_:#ubuntu- Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
[18:56] <ceibal> HABLAME EN ESPAÑOL
[18:56] <oerheks> !es
[18:57] <oerheks> i amnot sure what gcc-defaults does/contains/aims
[18:58] <ioria> !info gcc
[18:58] <ioria> oerheks, it's the source pkg
[18:58] <oerheks> is there any difference between gcc and gcc-defaults?
[18:59] <ioria> sure
[18:59] <ioria> https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/xenial/gcc-defaults
[18:59] <ioria> oerheks, gcc is the compiler -default is the source pkg
[19:00] <oerheks> Lord-Kamina, so here is your answer, it is the default gcc package
[19:00] <Fyr__> Hello guys, I've edited the apt's source code and made the "apt list" like this. What do you think, do you want it in the next version?
[19:00] <Fyr__> Image:
[19:01] <Fyr__> https://image.ibb.co/fabyW8/Screenshot_from_2018_07_24_21_32_22.png
[19:02] <oerheks> Fyr__,  that looks pretty neat
[19:02] <oerheks> HR, human readable
[19:04] <Fyr__> Thank you, yeah my eyes are hurting when reading the old one too :)
[19:04] <Lord-Kamina> That pleases my macOS brain.
[19:08] <Lord-Kamina> (And judging from the theme in the screens, I'm not the only one)
[19:08] <Fyr__> :D
[19:09] <oerheks> Now howto publish and get this in proposed..
[19:09] <oerheks> or even better, upstream?
[19:10]  * oerheks likes to know this answer too
[19:10] <Fyr__> I think I should create a pull request to the main source code of ubuntu :)
[19:11] <nacc> Fyr__: you submit it to the apt repository, probably in Debian, tbh
[19:12] <Fyr__> Yes, that is true.
[19:12] <oerheks> i was sceptical, but i think it is a welcome addon
[19:12] <cooloutac> hello all
[19:12] <nacc> Fyr__: esp. for apt, it's probably fine, since it has no CLI ABI
[19:13] <cooloutac> can someone tell me how to mount my mp3 player.
[19:13] <cooloutac> I thought it would be plugand play but it doesn't show up
[19:13] <nacc> Fyr__: then again, that seems to be no different then piping through awk
[19:15] <cooloutac> I don'teven see it listed with dmesg or lsusb
[19:15] <cooloutac> its a been a while using linux.  how do I mount this thing.
[19:15] <pkutzner> Is there any way to get wodim to work in 18.04 without SUID?
[19:17] <ioria> cooloutac, it depends on the device ,i guess . Make sure the player is set to use "mass storage" mode
[19:19] <ioria> pkutzner, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cdrkit/+bug/1769848
[19:19] <nacc> cooloutac: and as far as mounting goes, see if it shows up as a disk and mount it
[19:20] <cooloutac> its not showing up with fdisl -l either
[19:20] <ioria> pkutzner, seems to be a workaround
[19:20] <cooloutac> *fdisk
[19:20] <ioria> cooloutac, usb connected ,right ?
[19:21] <cooloutac> ya I only see it charging
[19:21] <nacc> cooloutac: look in dmesg to see if a new disk was seen
[19:21] <nacc> cooloutac: might not be in mass storage mode, then
[19:21] <cooloutac> ya nothing in dmesg
[19:21] <ioria> cooloutac, unplug, replug and dmesg | tail
[19:21] <cooloutac> its a sansa clip
[19:21] <cooloutac> no options in it.   its basic
[19:21] <cooloutac> ioria,  tried that nothing showing up.  I am on Lubuntu.
[19:21] <cooloutac> 18.04
[19:21] <ioria> what is a sansa clip ?
[19:21] <nacc> old but: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SansaClip
[19:21] <cooloutac> an mp3 player.
[19:22] <cooloutac> tks i'll look
[19:22] <nacc> cooloutac: http://forums.sandisk.com/t5/Sansa-Clip-Sansa-Clip/Problems-connecting-to-my-SanDisk-sansa-clip-from-a-computer/td-p/353125
[19:23] <cooloutac> hmm my sansa clip doesn't have a usb settings.
[19:23] <cooloutac> ohok let me check thislink
[19:23] <pkutzner> ioria: Thanks... interesting that the wodim.conf file is the same between a 16.04 box I have and my 18.04 box, but wodim works fine on 16.04 and doesn't on 18.04
[19:24] <bipul> Does anyone here have install jflap on Linux.?
[19:24] <pkutzner> I wonder what they borked
[19:24] <lotuspsychje> bipul: ask your real question please
[19:24] <ioria> pkutzner, security settings, i think
[19:24] <bipul> s/Linux/Ubunt happy.
[19:25] <nacc> bipul: don't ask survey-style questions. Ask your actual question.
[19:25] <nacc> bipul: e.g., "i installed jflap (from where?). It doesn't start and instead emits this message: ..."
[19:26] <pkutzner> Commenting the CDR_FIFOSIZE did work.
[19:26] <bipul> I don't remember where did i downloaded it, now i need to draw state Transite diagram for some complex regular expression.
[19:27] <nacc> bipul: so not an ubuntu package? talk to the place you got it from.
[19:27] <cooloutac> ugh no luck
[19:28] <qwebirc24450> hello everybody. I need some help with my Ubuntu. Usually i fix everything by searching the forums and manpages but all the things I have found dont fix my problem: When i'm sending the shutdown signal, it seems that there is a process that cant be killed. (The problem appeard after installing the tigerite-kernel to get the trackpad to run)
[19:29] <nacc> qwebirc24450: does it happen without that kernel?
[19:30] <qwebirc24450> i tried changing /etc/default/grub to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash acpi=off" but its not working
[19:30] <ioria> cooloutac, what ubuntu release ?
[19:30] <qwebirc24450> yes with the old kernel its the same
[19:30] <qwebirc24450> Ubuntu 16.04
[19:31] <pragmaticenigma> qwebirc24450: You mentioned several things, can you detail what's the same? The question was did the failure to shutdown occur before you installed the new kernel
[19:31] <qwebirc24450> how can i find out with process is slowing down the shutdown?
[19:32] <cooloutac> naac:  it was the usb plug.   tk goodness.
[19:32] <qwebirc24450> no its after i installed the kernel. but booting another kernel dosn't make it better
[19:32] <cooloutac> ioria: tks for help it was the usb plug
[19:32] <cooloutac> now its detected
[19:32] <ioria> cooloutac, ok
[19:32] <pragmaticenigma> qwebirc24450: You're making the topic a little difficult to follow...
[19:32] <nacc> qwebirc24450: ok, so remove that kernel again and try
[19:33] <nacc> qwebirc24450: if that works, talk the person you got that kernel package from.
[19:33] <nacc> cooloutac: cool
[19:36] <qwebirc24450> i already removed the kernel
[19:37] <nshirelaptop> does anyone know of "orders" as they pertain to remote desktop connections? apprently the login screen is done with an "order" and my rdp client can't handle that
[19:37] <Matt|home> hi. i am trying to get some code to compile, but apparently im lacking one of the header files.. even though i installed the package it should have come with. here is my error message:
[19:37] <Matt|home> make: *** No rule to make target '/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/bits/sigset.h', needed by '.check_process_vm.o'.  Stop.
[19:37] <Matt|home> i wasn't able to find any info on sigset.h. is this a deprecated header file, should i have it on my system?
[19:37] <nacc> qwebirc24450: did you remove things it depended on? e.g., sudo apt-get autoremove
[19:37] <nacc> qwebirc24450: and did you *purge* the kernel?
[19:37] <lotuspsychje> Matt|home: we dont reccomend compiling, cant you get the packages from ubuntu repos?
[19:37] <qwebirc24450> yes i did autoremove
[19:38] <nacc> Matt|home: `apt-file` helps you find packages
[19:38] <pragmaticenigma> Matt|home: We are unable to help with compiling issues. You should reach out to the community that provided the source code for help. Or try ##programming
[19:38] <compdoc> nshirelaptop, you cany use remote desktop software with the standard desktop. or didnt used to. You need Mate or some other '2D' desktop
[19:38] <compdoc> *cant
[19:38] <Matt|home> lotuspsychje - im not compiling a package, im saying im having trouble finding a header file that a project im working on needs that ubuntu should have
[19:38] <qwebirc24450> what means purge?
[19:38] <Matt|home> okay
[19:38] <nacc> Matt|home: you also didn't say what version of ubuntu
[19:38] <Matt|home> uh sorry, i just upgraded to latest stable
[19:39] <lotuspsychje> Matt|home: wich project should ubuntu have?
[19:39] <ioria> Matt|home, that headeris in libc6-dev
[19:39] <nacc> ioria: not in 18.04 any longer (afaict)
[19:39] <pragmaticenigma> compdoc: what are you talking about??
[19:39] <Matt|home> ioria - yep. and when i did apt install libc6-dev , that file was not included.
[19:39] <ioria> nacc, i see
[19:39] <nacc> ioria: (i'm basing off my local apt-file)
[19:40] <nacc> Matt|home: so it sounds like your project needs updating for a modern libc.
[19:41] <Matt|home> nacc - okay, thank you <3 i wanted to make sure it was because the file was missing and i wasn't supposed to have it
[19:41] <ioria> Matt|home, no,it's there https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/amd64/libc6-dev/filelist
[19:42] <nacc> ioria: i see no such file in that list, sigset.h?
[19:42] <nacc> LP: #1720339
[19:42] <ioria> nacc, i'am drunk,sy
[19:42] <nacc> that provides a link to the upstream libc removal
[19:43] <nacc> Matt|home: so yeah, out of date downstream package in your case
[19:43] <ioria> yeah, removed
[19:43] <voidDotClass> I have a laptop with an SSD and a fixed hd.. i have ubuntu on the fixed hd and had windows 10 dual booting on the SSD.. no issues for 2 years. today i booted into win 10 after a few weeks and after 15-30 mins, it would freeze and i'd see colored patterns on screen, then it would reboot. after the last time i no longer see win 10 as a boot option. any ideas if its the SSD or any other issues? Lately on Ubuntu I've also been seeing fcskdisk messages when i
[19:43] <voidDotClass> shut down (/dev/sda2: clean, xx/xx files, yy/yy blocks)
[19:44] <Matt|home> thanks guys
[19:45] <lotuspsychje> voidDotClass: we can only help you with the ubuntu booting part
[19:45] <lotuspsychje> voidDotClass: have you tried an update-grub perhaps?
[19:46] <voidDotClass> ubuntu boots fine but on shutdown it will sometimes give a message like the above and then it won't shut down, will just atay on that screen. would need a manual reset to shut down.
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[19:47] <voidDotClass> i just figured may be the issue is related since win 10 just decided to disappear from boot options even though its on a separate hd than ubuntu
[19:47] <lotuspsychje> voidDotClass: on ubuntu shutdown try to press F1 for text shutdown to see errors
[19:47] <lotuspsychje> voidDotClass: perhaps also try an update-grub
[19:48] <voidDotClass> lotuspsychje, when do you press the shutdown?
[19:48] <voidDotClass> once you see the splash screen?
[19:48] <lotuspsychje> voidDotClass: yeah ubuntu dots loading
[19:49] <lotuspsychje> voidDotClass: perhaps you can share a hastebin of your fstab to the channel, volunteers might have a look for you
[19:51] <voidDotClass> kk, thanks, will do. i'm also building a live boot usb to run an fcsk to see if it might be a hd issue, but since win 10 ssd also had an issue, i'm thinking it might be a power issue instead
[19:51] <voidDotClass> for fstab, did you mean just the contents of /etc/fstab ?
[19:51] <lotuspsychje> voidDotClass: yes, just to checkout your hd layouts, perhaps also your grub
[19:53] <voidDotClass> fstab: https://pastebin.com/Xmf4nf3u
[19:53] <voidDotClass> is grub /etc/grub.d ?
[19:54] <voidDotClass> no that's a directory lol
[19:54] <Loki__> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
[19:54] <Loki__> or maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
[19:55] <Loki__> Read what IRC investigative journalists have uncovered on the freenode pedophilia scandal https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Freenodegate
[19:55] -Loki__:#ubuntu- Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
[19:55] <compdoc> nope, not interested
[20:09] <qwebirc59491> i just asked because of the shutdown problem... its working now. Thank you very much for your support!
[20:10] <cooloutac> naac: I still can't mount it.
[20:10] <cooloutac> it showsup in kern lognow.    says  attached ssci device  sdb
[20:10] <cooloutac> but I can't even manually mount it not sure what I'm doing wrong.
[20:10] <qwebirc59491> i purged the kernel and reinstalled ubuntu-desktop and unity.
[20:15] <qwebirc44914> hi
[20:16] <cooloutac> the usb deviceis only showing up for a couple seconds after plugging in.  then disappears.
[20:16] <cooloutac> even If I try to mount it real fast, it then tells me not a valid block device.
[20:16] <cooloutac> thennolonger showsup in fdisk or lsusb
[20:17] <pragmaticenigma> does the device have it's own dedicated power supply?
[20:17] <pragmaticenigma> cooloutac: ^  ^
[20:21] <andregms> join #python
[20:27] <CarlFK> apt-get --assume-yes upgrade - "A new version (/tmp/grub.sGdK6nMN04) of configuration file /etc/default/grub is  available, but the version installed currently has been locally modified.    1. install the package maintainer's version..."
[20:28] <CarlFK> how do I tell it  "1, always, don't ask me."
[20:32] <FreeBDSM> hello
[20:33] <FreeBDSM> where to find snap of latest firefox 52 ESR?
[20:35] <brainwash> FreeBDSM: esr snap has switched to version 60
[20:35] <FreeBDSM> brainwash: I know, that's why I'm asking it here
[20:35] <Sven_vB> I need to monitor a phone line for its stability, and I have another known-stable line idling around. both use VoIP under the hood but they hide that and expose just a traditional phone outlet. would it be a good idea to try and hook two modems up and have them talk 24/7 to test the link stability?
[20:35] <brainwash> FreeBDSM: so, there is no option to obtain it
[20:36] <Metraf> Hi, how would you do to make sure one process is killed before opening another in one single linecommand ?
[20:36] <brainwash> 52 ESR has only one more month of support anyway
[20:36] <FreeBDSM> I need 52 ESR
[20:36] <brainwash> and after that month?
[20:36] <FreeBDSM> yes
[20:36] <brainwash> what will you do?
[20:36] <FreeBDSM> use 52 ESR
[20:36] <brainwash> right
[20:37] <brainwash> I guess you'll have to build your own snap then
[20:37] <Sven_vB> FreeBDSM, have you considered waterfox? I found it's a nice replacement for firefox.
[20:38] <ca-on-adam> FreeBDSM: your username reminds me of a system I haven't installed before.  I hear it's quite exciting :)
[20:38] <FreeBDSM> Sven_vB: not really.
[20:38] <JacobTDC> Hey, does anyone know how to fix problems with SynPS/2 Mouse and Keyboard drivers? I'm on Ubuntu Minimal/CLI. Sometimes when I start the computer, my keyboard won't work at login, and I'll have to restart it like 15 times to fix it, although it works without fail in GRUB and the BIOS.
[20:39] <FreeBDSM> does anyone here still have a snap of firefox 52 esr to share?
[20:39] <Sven_vB> CarlFK, my workaround is to set debian_frontend (might need to be uppercase) to editor, unset VISUAL and set EDITOR to a program that knows my favorite answers and can be network-controlled in case it gets stuck.
[20:39] <FreeBDSM> https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/52.9.0esr/linux-x86_64/en-US/firefox-52.9.0esr.tar.bz2 that's the only thing I've found
[20:40] <brainwash> FreeBDSM: https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[20:40] <oerheks> get over it, ESR is onto ff 60
[20:40] <JacobTDC> Anyone?
[20:40] <brainwash> PPA from the ubuntu mozillateam
[20:41] <FreeBDSM> brainwash: how to lock it afterwards once and for all?
[20:41] <oerheks> ..pinning
[20:41] <brainwash> you can disable the PPA afterwards
[20:41] <Sven_vB> CarlFK, if you reeeealy trust defaults, you can also set debian_frontend=noninteractive
[20:41] <oerheks> but this is beyond the scope of this channel, safety first
[20:41] <CarlFK> Sven_vB: bleck ;P.  but you are kinda onto something.  I'm kinda doing ssh root@foo "apt-get upgrade" (really I am scping over a script that starts with that...)
[20:42] <FreeBDSM> brainwash: I'm scared that ubuntu will say 'hey, we have more recent versions of firefox esr in our own repo, so updating it for you ^^'
[20:42] <brainwash> FreeBDSM: ubuntu does no offer any firefox-esr as of now
[20:42] <FreeBDSM> yay
[20:42] <FreeBDSM> yay for now
[20:42] <brainwash> but well, maybe they will one day
[20:42] <FreeBDSM> but what will be in a week? a month? a year?
[20:43] <brainwash> !pinning
[20:43] <JacobTDC> Is anyone here experienced with SynPS/2 devices/chip?
[20:43] <FreeBDSM> brainwash: thanks!
[20:44] <brainwash> FreeBDSM: still, the package may cause you trouble in the future anyway due to dependencies
[20:44] <FreeBDSM> brainwash: dependencies?
[20:44] <oerheks> brainwash +1
[20:44] <FreeBDSM> brainwash: isn't flatpak a self-contained thing?
[20:44] <brainwash> we are talking about a deb package, installed from a PPA
[20:44] <FreeBDSM> I meant snap/flatpak
[20:45] <FreeBDSM> but now I see the link
[20:45] <FreeBDSM> that's actually neither of it
[20:45] <FreeBDSM> so, pointless
[20:45] <brainwash> your request is rather pointless
[20:45] <FreeBDSM> no
[20:45] <Sven_vB> CarlFK, if you wait a few weeks, I might even find time to make a clean version of my script. just remind me every now and then. ;)
[20:47] <CarlFK> Sven_vB: meh, in a few days it won[t matter.  I hope :p
[20:48] <Sven_vB> CarlFK, ok then :) good luck!
[20:50] <CarlFK> Sven_vB: hows your systemd foo?  this works, but I have to ssh and start it. I really need it to start on boot  https://github.com/CarlFK/video-stack-bin-chicken/blob/master/scripts/c2/mk_c2a.sh
[20:50] <FreeBDSM> how to build a snap of firefox 52.9.0 esr?
[20:50] <Sven_vB> CarlFK, if "start on boot" is the only concern, schedule it for "@reboot" (that's a time of day) in your crontab.
[20:51] <oerheks> FreeBDSM, but this is beyond the scope of this channel, safety first
[20:51] <FreeBDSM> oerheks: what
[20:51] <melkor> What is a good way to remove the dock on the left side of the screen?
[20:51] <CarlFK> Sven_vB: neat. but.. is that really the systemd way?
[20:52] <Sven_vB> CarlFK, nope. with systemd you'll have to write some config file
[20:52] <Sven_vB> probably several
[20:52] <oerheks> FreeBDSM, we do not support that, people here might get the same silly idea
[20:52] <CarlFK> I have 3 already.  I'm hoping I am close to several :p
[20:52] <FreeBDSM> oerheks: I don't care what you support
[20:52] <ryuo> CarlFK: the systemd way is to replace perfectly working software with your own reimplementation. :p
[20:52] <oerheks> FreeBDSM, oke, thank you for visiting the ubuntu support channel
[20:53] <FreeBDSM> oerheks: your silly 'thank you' is welcome!
[20:53] <guntbert> FreeBDSM: be nice please
[20:53] <JacobTDC> Hey, does anyone know how to fix problems with SynPS/2 Mouse and Keyboard drivers? I'm on Ubuntu Minimal/CLI. Sometimes when I start the computer, my keyboard won't work at login, and I'll have to restart it like 15 times to fix it, although it works without fail in GRUB and the BIOS.
[20:53] <FreeBDSM> guntbert: you too
[20:53] <oerheks> really, there is no legit reason to use ff 52 esr, nor build a snap
[20:54] <JacobTDC> Please, someone, I've been trying to get help on this topic for WEEKS.
[20:54] <ryuo> JacobTDC: Minimal? Did you install through debootstrap?
[20:54] <FreeBDSM> I don't care about your misunderstanding of the situation
[20:54] <strixdio> I know this is "#ubuntu" but hopefully someone has some insight? (I did try in #ubuntustudio, but no one seems to be around) I'm trying to instsall UbuntuStudio to iscsi. I got it to pxe boot into the live environment, install open-iscsi, import the target, install to the target, but then when I try to boot from iscsi it doesn't do anything. Any thoughts?
[20:54] <JacobTDC> ryuo: debootstrap? I don't believe so. What does it do?
[20:55] <brainwash> FreeBDSM: https://docs.snapcraft.io/build-snaps/
[20:55] <ryuo> JacobTDC: Eh, nevermind. You could try using dpkg-reconfigure to reconfigure the keyboard, but... if it's not working in the first place...
[20:55] <oerheks> JacobTDC, does this happen a lot, does your machine loose data from bios? this might be a sign of empty bios battery
[20:55] <ryuo> JacobTDC: in rare cases, i've found upgrading the BIOS can solve keyboard issues, but that's mostly on laptops.
[20:56] <JacobTDC> ryuo: I'm on a laptop, and I just updated my BIOS. Of course, the most recent version is still fom like 2000-2007
[20:56] <ryuo> I see.
[20:57] <JacobTDC> ryuo: and what do you mean by "loose data from BIOS"?
[20:57] <ryuo> JacobTDC: that wasn't me.
[20:57]  * ryuo points to oerheks.
[20:58] <JacobTDC> Oh, right. XD
[20:58] <oerheks> JacobTDC, like not finding your partition to boot from
[20:58] <ryuo> JacobTDC: but, i always reset BIOS configuration after a flash.
[20:58] <FreeBDSM> brainwash: aw, lawd, it's awful :( https://docs.snapcraft.io/build-snaps/your-first-snap `Note: We strongly recommend using an Ubuntu 16.04 host,  VM or container for this guide. While it is possible to use newer  releases of Ubuntu, or other Linux distributions, this may result in  incorrect libraries being pulled into the build.`
[20:58] <ryuo> Sometimes old configuration can create problems.
[20:58] <FreeBDSM> legacy right from the start
[20:59] <JacobTDC> ryuo: my laptop battery is bad, so my config is reset every time I unplug it.
[20:59] <ryuo> JacobTDC: uh... BIOS configuration isn't stored in your regular battery.
[20:59] <ryuo> It uses a dedicated one.
[21:00] <JacobTDC> ryuo: Oh... is... that a problem?
[21:00] <ryuo> A form of NVRAM.
[21:00] <texla> Why does synaptic find numlockx program and ubuntu software does not find the program
[21:00] <ryuo> Not always, but if the battery is low on power, it could be time to replace it.
[21:00] <ryuo> Not important right now I think.
[21:00] <JacobTDC> Okay.
[21:00] <oerheks> texla, ubuntu softwarecenter gives metapackages only, synaptic is much more detailed
[21:01] <ryuo> JacobTDC: So, you upgraded to the last BIOS released?
[21:01] <JacobTDC> ryuo: yes.
[21:01] <ryuo> JacobTDC: did you go into the BIOS setup and reset to defaults?
[21:01] <JacobTDC> ryuo: yes
[21:01] <ryuo> Ok..
[21:02] <ryuo> Do you have an external keyboard you can use for diagnostics?
[21:02] <guntbert> JacobTDC: you said PS2 - do you mean eternal mouse/keyboard?
[21:02] <JacobTDC> Umm.... I think? ... Yes. I do.
[21:02] <JacobTDC> ryuo: No. Internal laptop.
[21:02] <ryuo> guntbert: No, it's a laptop. These commonly use PS/2 or so internally.
[21:03] <JacobTDC> I mean, guntbert ... XD
[21:03] <Sven_vB> if I make my xinetd script send several gigabytes of data onto the TCP connection much faster than the client can receive it, how large will the server-side output buffer grow before the write attempt starts to block?
[21:03] <guntbert> ryuo: never thought of that
[21:03] <ryuo> JacobTDC: Well, you could try installing X and such to see if the keyboard will work there.
[21:04] <halfbit> is there a guide on what options are available in the preseed.cfg for automated install?
[21:04] <JacobTDC> ryuo: I do know that even when I can confirm that the keyboard and mouse are BOTH working, xinit still has problems with it.
[21:04] <halfbit> I'd like to add a few apt repos and install some additional packages automatically
[21:04] <ryuo> JacobTDC: why are you using xinit instead of a DM?
[21:04] <ryuo> o.O
[21:05] <ryuo> Oh, is this an i386 only machine?
[21:05] <JacobTDC> ryuo: yes. It's a dinosaur.
[21:05] <ryuo> JacobTDC: you could try booting lubuntu to see if it works there...
[21:06] <JacobTDC> ryuo: How... would I do that without reseting my HDD?
[21:06] <ryuo> JacobTDC: external boot media? I only mean tryng the live CD.
[21:06] <ryuo> I often use them to test software issues.
[21:07] <ryuo> lubuntu still provides i386 boot media.
[21:07] <ryuo> I remember using debootstrap recently to install i386 to an old N270 box...
[21:07] <ryao> ryuo: What a coincidence seeing you here. I just got 14.04 running on my RPi 3 to debug an issue involving the audit subsystem that someone claims to have seen on ubuntu 14.04...
[21:08] <ryuo> ryao: lmao.
[21:08] <ryuo> ryao: i recently submitted a kernel patch to fix an issue with my laptop audio leds.
[21:08] <JacobTDC> ryuo: Okay. I'll see about that.
[21:08] <ryao> ryuo: Nice.
[21:08] <ryuo> ryao: though i now have a bigger mystery to solve.
[21:09] <ryuo> ryao: my laptop's function keys for brightness are misidentified as F20, or microphone mute.
[21:09] <ryuo> i didn't find any existing info about the problem, so i need to report it soon.
[21:09] <ryao> ryuo: I have a second mystery to solve in addition to the first one that made me install Ubuntu. The mystery is why the RPi 3 won't boot when using the RPi 3 device tree...
[21:09] <ryao> Well, when booting Ubuntu 14.04.
[21:10] <ryuo> Ubuntu 14.04... that's dead soon... lol
[21:10] <ryuo> like 10 months or so.
[21:10] <ryao> ryuo: It doesn't matter. I need to find out why someone claims to have had audit.log go like half an hour without any writes when the backlog is set to a high number.
[21:11] <ryao> ryuo: If it were up to me, I wouldn't be bothering.
[21:11] <ryuo> ryao: ok.
[21:11] <JacobTDC> Alright. So, what lubuntu should I use ryuo ? Minimal?
[21:12] <ryuo> JacobTDC: it has a minimal version?
[21:12] <JacobTDC> IDK, thats why i was asking you... XD
[21:12] <JacobTDC> It probably does, though...
[21:12] <ryuo> it's already pretty small compared to the other flavors of ubuntu desktop.
[21:12] <JacobTDC> oh okay.
[21:12] <ryuo> you may mean the new minimal install mode.
[21:12] <gogeta> ryao: upgrade mutch
[21:13] <gogeta> JacobTDC: lubuntu
[21:13] <gogeta> JacobTDC: thats about as minimal as you can get
[21:13] <ryuo> JacobTDC: i got confused because ubuntu-minimal is a package group... for the smallest installation of Ubuntu.
[21:14] <ryuo> it's the only thing installed by default if using debootstrap.
[21:15] <ryuo> JacobTDC: for future reference, this is what I was talking about: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/i386/apds04.html
[21:15] <ryuo> JacobTDC: but, it's mainly a method for experts.
[21:16] <gogeta> JacobTDC: is it a space thing or just a preforance thing
[21:17] <JacobTDC> ryuo: I don't have any CDs that can fit lubuntu on it, and the only bootable media I have for,my specific BIOS is CDs.
[21:17] <ryuo> gogeta: context: they have an i386 laptop, so most modern Ubuntu flavors won't boot.
[21:18] <gogeta> ryuo: they all should boot
[21:18] <JacobTDC> gogeta, ryuo, all I know is that I used the netboot disk to install ubuntu CLI-only.
[21:18] <gogeta> ryuo: 18.04 still offers 32bit
[21:19] <ryuo> gogeta: official ubuntu dropped i386 CDs.
[21:19] <ryuo> that's all i'm getting at.
[21:19] <gogeta> ryuo: yes
[21:19] <ryuo> Seems the flavors haven't followed suit.
[21:19] <ryuo> I thought they did.
[21:19] <gogeta> JacobTDC: hate to say it but time to hit the used shops and replace that laptop 32bit is going away
[21:20] <ryuo> JacobTDC: ah, that's it.
[21:20] <ryuo> JacobTDC: gogeta has a point... it is getting harder to find distributions that support i386.
[21:21] <halfbit> also, why is installing normal gnome using some weird snap bs
[21:21] <gogeta> ryuo: not the i386 but apps are droping it
[21:21] <JacobTDC> gogeta: I know. It's an old laptop from a friend. I just choose this version 'cause it's all it can handle.
[21:21] <gogeta> ryuo: no chrome or firefox
[21:21] <halfbit> like I run mount and see a few gnome /var/lib/snapd mounts, what is that
[21:21] <ryuo> JacobTDC: so stick lubuntu or so on it.
[21:22] <ryuo> gogeta: no idea. last i checked Firefox still supports it.
[21:22] <ryuo> JacobTDC: what CPU is it?
[21:22] <gogeta> ryuo: no
[21:22] <ryuo> JacobTDC: it sounds like it's an N270 or early Core processor.
[21:23] <JacobTDC> ryuo:  I... don't know? The computer itself is a Dell Inspiron 2650...
[21:23] <gogeta> a single core p4
[21:23] <gogeta> defently 32bit
[21:24] <gogeta> JacobTDC: you may wanna look at distros talerd for old machines
[21:24] <Bashing-om> JacobTDC: Might consider : http://xubuntu.org/news/introducing-xubuntu-core/ <- Minimal install - https://unit193.net/xubuntu/core/ .
[21:25] <gogeta> JacobTDC: like puppy dsl or tinycore
[21:25] <JacobTDC> K. But is there anything else I can do beforr changing distros?
[21:25] <ryuo> JacobTDC: Eh... xubuntu *is* Ubuntu still.
[21:25] <ryuo> Just a different flavor.
[21:25] <JacobTDC> I'm sorry, I meant before changing flavors... XD.
[21:26] <gogeta> JacobTDC: not relly you probly even lackram for a live ccd
[21:26] <JacobTDC> I guess I can just apt install xubuntu...
[21:26] <gogeta> jackmcbarn: you would need to use the alt installer
[21:26] <ryuo> JacobTDC: what's the installed RAM?
[21:26] <ryuo> My N270 router is maxed at 2GB.
[21:27] <gogeta> ryuo: i think that machine tops out at 1gb
[21:27] <JacobTDC> Mem: 235 Swap: 511 ryuo.
[21:27] <gogeta> 412 yep
[21:27] <gogeta> 512
[21:28] <gogeta> JacobTDC: yea a live cd will not work
[21:28] <FreeBDSM> `snap install skype` -> `error: This revision of snap "skype" was published using classic confinement and thus may perform arbitrary system changes outside of the security sandbox that snaps are usually confined to, which may put your system at risk. If you understand and want to proceed repeat the command including --classic.`    is it save? I don't understand.
[21:28] <FreeBDSM> safe*
[21:28] <nacc> FreeBDSM: #snappy or upstream skybe boards
[21:28] <JacobTDC> gogeta: figures.
[21:28] <nacc> FreeBDSM: also, you can read about the confinement differences on snapcraft.io
[21:28] <FreeBDSM> nacc: thanks
[21:28] <nacc> FreeBDSM: Also, the text is quite clear :)
[21:28] <gogeta> JacobTDC: you need to use the net base installer then install lubuntu-desktop
[21:29] <FreeBDSM> nacc: no, it's not. What changes does it do? just saved the downloaded files and logs? pffft. Or maybe it adds/replaces some libs/binaries?
[21:29] <halfbit> can I use gnome without snaps?
[21:30] <gogeta> JacobTDC: as long as you know your way around cli its easy
[21:30] <nacc> FreeBDSM: do you know what a snap is?
[21:30] <nacc> FreeBDSM: I dont' understand this question: "What changes does it do?" -- what is "it"?
[21:30] <FreeBDSM> nacc: from what I understood - it's a type of statically build packages
[21:31] <JacobTDC> I can give xinit log info, if that helps. But it takes like two hours to install ubuntu, ryuo and gogeta ...
[21:31] <FreeBDSM> nacc: the skype snap, dug?
[21:31] <FreeBDSM> duh*
[21:31] <gogeta> JacobTDC: https://www.ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads
[21:31] <JacobTDC> I know. I used those originaly.
[21:32] <gogeta> JacobTDC: the meta package you install is lubuntu-desktop
[21:32] <nacc> FreeBDSM: so your question is "What changes does the skype snap do?" That doesn't make sense.
[21:32] <gogeta> JacobTDC: it should pull down eveything
[21:32] <JacobTDC> Okay.
[21:32] <gogeta> JacobTDC: do aa cli install then instal that oackage
[21:33] <FreeBDSM> nacc: I just quoted that nonsense, I didn't invent it
[21:33] <gogeta> package
[21:33] <nacc> FreeBDSM: quoted what nonsense?
[21:33] <nacc> FreeBDSM: Are you actually asking what changes '--classic' does?
[21:33] <JacobTDC> gogeta: Is --no-install-recommends safe here?
[21:33] <FreeBDSM> `snap install skype` -> `error: This revision of snap "skype" was published using classic confinement and thus may perform arbitrary system changes outside of the security sandbox that snaps are usually confined to, which may put your system at risk. If you understand and want to proceed repeat the command including --classic.`
[21:33] <nacc> FreeBDSM: right, so read about 'classic confinement'.
[21:34] <halfbit> wtf is a snap
[21:34] <nacc> halfbit: snapcraft.io
[21:34] <halfbit> where are my damn debs
[21:34] <nacc> halfbit: or #snappy
[21:34] <nacc> halfbit: and please watch your language
[21:34] <gogeta> JacobTDC: no this installes the lubuntu desktop its minumal as is
[21:34] <gogeta> JacobTDC: ment for old boxes
[21:35] <JacobTDC> oh... that might be a problem, then.... it will take over an hour.
[21:35] <gogeta> JacobTDC: it is a p4 its gonna take a wile
[21:35] <JacobTDC> Okay. CYA... I guess...
[21:35] <voidDotClass> I have an SSD and a regular HD - ubuntu is on regular HD and win 10 is on SSD - but I don't see the win 10 option in my dual boot menu anymore. Is there a way from ubuntu to check if the SSD is still being detected at all
[21:36] <gogeta> JacobTDC: but once its done you should have a working lubuntu install
[21:37] <JacobTDC> I was kind-of just hoping to have a nice-working Ubuntu-CLI Only install, you know, but... oh, well...
[21:37] <gogeta> JacobTDC: ohhhh
[21:38] <JacobTDC> ?
[21:38] <gogeta> JacobTDC: i thought you whanted a ui
[21:38] <nacc> JacobTDC: why are you installing a desktop if you want a cli?
[21:38] <nacc> JacobTDC: just install ubuntu server and be done with it
[21:38] <gogeta> JacobTDC: use the net install slect cli install
[21:38] <pringlecake> Hey, I thought you guys might be interested in this blog by freenode staff member Bryan 'kloeri' Ostergaard https://bryanostergaard.com/
[21:38] <pringlecake> or maybe this blog by freenode staff member Matthew 'mst' Trout https://MattSTrout.com/
[21:38] <gogeta> JacobTDC: its that easy
[21:38] <JacobTDC> Oh. No. I have the CLI, but it has problems with the keyboard drivers occasionally...
[21:39] <JacobTDC> I thought we were trying to fix them... XD
[21:39] <nacc> "keyboard drivers" -- not really a thing
[21:39] <nacc> JacobTDC: what symptomatically do you see?
[21:40] <JacobTDC> Well, whatever. I'm not entirely sure about all of this, nacc... and, what do you mean?
[21:40] <nacc> JacobTDC: you say "problems" -- what problems?