[15:06] <Laney> !dmb-ping
[15:07] <ScottK> \o
[15:07] <ScottK> I guess I'm supposed to chair today.
[15:08] <ScottK> #startmeeting Ubuntu DMB
[15:08] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Mar 16 15:08:12 2015 UTC.  The chair is ScottK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:08] <ScottK> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[15:09] <Laney> A gentle introduction for cyphermox
[15:09] <ScottK> Not sure if I did that right.
[15:09] <Laney> Yeah, don't think the bot confirms #link
[15:09]  * stgraber waves
[15:09] <ScottK> In any case, the agenda is light.
[15:10] <ScottK> Anyone have anything not on the agenda?
[15:11] <cyphermox> not me
[15:11] <Laney> Yes
[15:11] <ScottK> Go for it.
[15:11] <Laney> Need to finish Noskcaj
[15:11] <Laney> ...'s application
[15:12] <ScottK> OK.  Will someone volunteer to be the point person for collecting and tallying votes?
[15:13] <Laney> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-March/000821.html
[15:13] <Laney> then https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-March/000822.html
[15:14] <Laney> I think there's still some +4/+1 confusion
[15:14] <ScottK> So if cyphermox were to vote -1 0 or +1, what happens?
[15:14] <Laney> i.e. is this in doubt or not?
[15:15] <Laney> It's at 0 currently, so basically a casting vote by my interpretation
[15:15] <ScottK> So where do we have the vote counting rules documented?
[15:15] <Laney> Nowhere
[15:15] <Laney> do you remember that it came up recently?
[15:15] <micahg_mobile> I thought the vote scheme was settled a couple years ago
[15:15] <xnox> essentially if cyphermox +1 -> win, else -> deffered to reapply again.
[15:15] <Laney> when we talked about DM upload rights
[15:16] <Laney> we decided then that we were voting to +1
[15:16] <Laney> based on an email from Mark that I found at the time
[15:16] <ScottK> OK.  Where was that documented?
[15:16] <ScottK> OK.  We ought to have it better documented where we can find it.
[15:17] <Laney> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2011-July/000999.html ← that one
[15:17] <Laney> IIRC
[15:17] <Laney> I think it was stgraber who was disagreeing
[15:18] <Laney> let me just mail the CC and get them to write it up somewhere
[15:19] <stgraber> might have been, though nowadays I'd be fine with documenting that the score must be +1 or higher and that at least 50% +1 (quorum) of the DMB members voted
[15:19] <ScottK> OK.
[15:19] <micahg_mobile> Well, as I recall, the DMB had a different scheme because of the care needed when granting upload rights
[15:19] <Laney> The reason that +4 came about, in my mind, is that this is when the application is no longer in doubt
[15:20] <Laney> i.e. a unanimous meeting of 4 or more DMB members can make a decision that the others can't overturn
[15:20] <ScottK> For Kubuntu Dev, the rule is "majority of those present and at least 3".
[15:20] <stgraber> Laney: right
[15:21] <Laney> OK, fine, so I don't think there is any actual disagreement
[15:21] <ScottK> So, bottom line then is it's up to cyphermox.
[15:21] <Laney> cyphermox: want any context?
[15:22] <micahg_mobile> Hrm, I thought we had 3 abstentions
[15:22] <cyphermox> I was just looking at that
[15:22] <cyphermox> so far I'm +0, looking to see if there's something to change my mind either way
[15:22] <Laney> You can ask questions
[15:22] <Laney> if you want
[15:22] <ScottK> I'd propose two actions:
[15:23] <ScottK> 1. Laney get with CC to get the voting rules documented.
[15:23] <cyphermox> Laney: true
[15:23] <ScottK> 2.  cyphermox review Noskaj application and history and determine his vote.
[15:23] <ScottK> We ought to be able to do both those in two weeks, right?
[15:23] <Laney> Fine. I'll just send the email right now
[15:24] <cyphermox> Noskcaj: what specific actions did you take on the evolution-ews package I see in mitya57's list of experiences working together?
[15:24] <cyphermox> ScottK: yes
[15:24] <ScottK> Probably not entirely fair just to spring this on him without warning.
[15:25] <Laney> email is fine
[15:26] <ScottK> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-March/000821.html
[15:26] <ScottK> #action Laney get with CC to get the voting rules documented.
[15:26] <meetingology> ACTION: Laney get with CC to get the voting rules documented.
[15:26] <Laney> Give me two minutes and you can #link it
[15:27] <ScottK> #action cyphermox review Noskcaj application and history and determine his vote.
[15:27] <meetingology> ACTION: cyphermox review Noskcaj application and history and determine his vote.
[15:29] <ScottK> Anything else while we wait for Laney's link?
[15:33]  * Laney better mail to devel-permissions instead of d-m-b@ so there is a public link.
[15:36] <Laney> ScottK: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-March/000828.html
[15:37] <ScottK> #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/devel-permissions/2015-March/000828.html
[15:37] <ScottK> Next chair
[15:37] <ScottK> micahg_mobile: You're next on the list.
[15:37] <Laney> Also if this application fails the people who voted negatively should be ready with feedback
[15:37] <micahg_mobile> Ok
[15:38] <ScottK> AOB
[15:38] <ScottK> I guess none then.
[15:38] <ScottK> #endmeeting
[15:38] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Mar 16 15:38:43 2015 UTC.
[15:38] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-03-16-15.08.moin.txt
[15:39] <Laney> thanks ScottK
[16:31] <tyhicks> hello
[16:31] <jjohansen> \o
[16:32]  * sbeattie waves
[16:32] <mdeslaur> \o
[16:32] <tyhicks> #startmeeting
[16:32] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Mar 16 16:32:09 2015 UTC.  The chair is tyhicks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:32] <tyhicks> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[16:32] <tyhicks> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[16:32] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Announcements
[16:32] <tyhicks> Stefan Bader (smb) provided debdiffs for xen for precise to utopic
[16:32] <tyhicks> Christian Hertel provided a debdiff for tntnet for precise (LP: #1430750)
[16:32] <tyhicks> Your contributions are very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Great job! :)
[16:32] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[16:32] <tyhicks> jdstrand: you're up
[16:35] <tyhicks> lets come back to him
[16:35] <tyhicks> mdeslaur: go ahead
[16:36] <jdstrand> oh sorry
[16:36] <jdstrand> I can go now or after mdeslaur
[16:37] <tyhicks> jdstrand: go ahead :)
[16:37] <jdstrand> ok
[16:37] <jdstrand> so, the performance reviews are all done
[16:38] <jdstrand> I've been discussing snappy signatures and hashes with mvo, tyhicks and mdeslaur. we are getting real close to agreement. after which, I'll write it up
[16:38] <jdstrand> I will be working on snappy hw access this week, and snappy frameworks
[16:39] <jdstrand> all this snappy work will lead into more review tools work as well as click-apparmor
[16:39] <jdstrand> I'm also working on an embargoed issue
[16:39] <jdstrand> that's it from me
[16:39] <mdeslaur> I'm on triage this week
[16:40] <mdeslaur> I just published some USNs
[16:40] <mdeslaur> I plan on working on php5, libav, and an embargoed issue this week
[16:40] <mdeslaur> that's about it for me, sbeattie?
[16:40] <sbeattie> I'm in the happy place this week.
[16:41] <sbeattie> I'm currently refreshing my gcc-5 pie package against newer versions in the toolchain-r ppa
[16:41] <sbeattie> after that, will continue testing there.
[16:41] <sbeattie> I need to do some apparmor patch review
[16:42] <sbeattie> oh I didn't get to the dhclient not getting its profile applied under snappy, will poke more at that this week
[16:42] <sbeattie> that's it for me, tyhicks?
[16:43] <tyhicks> I'm on the community role this week
[16:44] <tyhicks> today, I'll be working on testing and fixing any bugs found in the libapparmor aa_features string parsing routines
[16:44] <tyhicks> jjohansen thinks he spotted a bug (he's probably right) and that patch really needs tests
[16:45] <tyhicks> after that, I think we're really close to landing the libapparmor parser cache API in upstream AppArmor
[16:45] <tyhicks> I'll also be working on AppArmor kernel keyring mediation for user data encryption
[16:46] <tyhicks> and, if I have time, I'll finish up the patches to fix bug #1430532 and send them out for review
[16:46] <tyhicks> that's it for me
[16:46] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[16:47] <jjohansen> I am on apparmor again this week. I need to finish up with my patches for Bug 1431717, Bug 1430546. I need to follow up with the latest Bug fixes pushed to the kernel team and make sure all patches are on all the kernels they should be.
[16:47] <jjohansen> I'm sure there will be some more to do around the libapparmor cache API, and once that lands I can push my series around dfa testing.
[16:47] <jjohansen> And then its back to the upstreaming work.
[16:48] <tyhicks> jjohansen: there's an email to the lsm list that you should probably have a look at
[16:48] <tyhicks> jjohansen: it is in the stacked lsm patch set thread
[16:48] <jjohansen> tyhicks: yeah there are several emails to the list I need to reply too
[16:49] <tyhicks> jjohansen: stephen smalley points out a potential layering issue in apparmor
[16:49] <jjohansen> yep
[16:50] <jjohansen> that is it for /me sarnold you're up
[16:50] <sarnold> I'm on bug triage this week, and it's another short week for me
[16:51] <sarnold> there are outstanding MIR requests and outstanding openstack testing and updates to work on, not sure which ones I'm going to work on this week, but both are large enough that it's unliekly either one will be completed
[16:52] <sarnold> I'll talk with tyhicks afterwards to figure out the priorities
[16:52] <sarnold> chrisccoulson?
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> Hi :)
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> This week, I'm still trying to remove Oxide's dependency on GL share groups. I have a prototype, but it doesn't work yet
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> I've also got an embargoed issue to fix
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> other than that, I'm hoping for no surprises this week :)
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> that's me done
[16:54] <tyhicks> chrisccoulson: were you able to get to all the pending merge request reviews last week?
[16:55] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: it's been at least 24 hours without a flash update, so perhaps you'll get one of those :)
[16:55] <tyhicks> heh
[16:55] <chrisccoulson> tyhicks, not all. But the most important ones are done
[16:55] <tyhicks> chrisccoulson: good! :)
[16:56] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[16:56] <tyhicks> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[16:56] <tyhicks> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[16:56] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/oftc-hybrid.html
[16:56] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/xlhtml.html
[16:56] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gcc-4.9-powerpc-cross.html
[16:56] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/feh.html
[16:56] <tyhicks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/python-rply.html
[16:56] <tyhicks> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[16:56] <tyhicks> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[16:58] <tyhicks> jdstrand, mdeslaur, sbeattie, jjohansen, sarnold, chriscoulson: thanks!
[16:58] <tyhicks> #endmeeting
[16:58] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Mar 16 16:58:29 2015 UTC.
[16:58] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2015/ubuntu-meeting.2015-03-16-16.32.moin.txt
[16:58] <jdstrand> tyhicks: thanks! :)
[16:58] <sarnold> thanks tyhicks!
[16:58] <jjohansen> thanks tyhicks
[16:58] <mdeslaur> thanks tyhicks!
[16:59] <sbeattie> tyhicks: thanks!


[01:59] <nhaines> In another minute, it's meeting time!
[02:01] <nhaines> #startmeeting
[02:01] <nhaines> Hello, and welcome to the Ubuntu California meeting for July 21st, 2019!
[02:01] <nhaines> Tonight's agenda is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/19July21
[02:01] <nhaines> This agenda is empty.
[02:02] <nhaines> #topic Upcoming events
[02:02] <nhaines> Are there any upcoming Ubuntu or Free/Open Source Software events coming up in the next month?
[02:04] <nhaines> San Gabriel Valley LUG remains as busy as always in Pasadena: https://www.meetup.com/SGVTech/events/
[02:04] <nhaines> #topic Announcements
[02:05] <nhaines> UbuCon LA is a month away: https://la.ubucon.org/ in Talca, Chile.
[02:06] <nhaines> Ubuntu 19.04 is pretty solid, and work on Ubuntu 19.10 and plans for 20.04 LTS are proceeding at speed.
[02:06] <nhaines> #topic Agenda
[02:06] <nhaines> There is no agenda for tonight's meeting.
[02:06] <nhaines> #topic Other business
[02:06] <nhaines> Is there any other business for tonight?
[02:12] <nhaines> Okay, then that will wrap up this meeting for July.
[02:12] <nhaines> Our next meeting will be on August 18th.  Hopefully we'll see more people there!
[02:12] <nhaines> #endmeeting
[02:13]  * aidian waves
[02:13] <aidian> internet burp made me miss it apparently!
[02:13]  * nhaines waves back.
[02:13] <aidian> just upgraded to gigabit cable and a new modem, still a bit unstable
[02:14] <DonkeyHotei> is gnome 3 still the flagship DE in 20.04?
[02:15] <nhaines> Yup.  that's unlikely to change soon.
[02:23] <DonkeyHotei> i thought gnome 3 development was slowing
[02:24] <nhaines> I don't pay much attention.  I stuck with Unity.
[02:24] <DonkeyHotei> i thought unity was removed
[02:24] <nhaines> It wasn't.
[02:28] <nhaines> Anyone using a version of Ubuntu that doesn't ship with Unity can run 'sudo apt install ubuntu-unity-desktop unity-session' and enjoy a first-class interface.
[02:32] <DonkeyHotei> unity-session is a dependency of ubuntu-unity-desktop
[02:42] <nhaines> I've had better luck specifying both.


[00:42] <veebers> wallyworld: FYI bug I mentioned in startup that's holding up roll out of snap lxd 3 in the lab: https://bugs.launchpad.net/apparmor/+bug/1777017
[00:42] <mup> Bug #1777017: snap install lxd doesn't work within a container <AppArmor:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1777017>
[00:42] <wallyworld> ack
[00:59] <veebers> Hah, I doubt this Juju was written in Go: https://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=1662397527
[03:15] <veebers> wallyworld: is this statement correct "Starting with Juju 2.0, users can upload resources to the controller or the Juju Charm Store. . ." I thought it was only the charmstore that would take a resouce? (maybe the controller does some caching after first deploy etc.?)
[03:16] <wallyworld> juju attach-resource
[03:17] <wallyworld> i haven't got the exact workflow mapped out in my head
[03:18] <wallyworld> but one scenario is to upgrade an existing resource for a deployed charm
[03:18] <wallyworld> the controller does cache resources
[03:19] <veebers> wallyworld: ack, thanks
[05:50] <blahdeblah> Hi.  Anyone able to point me to a decent reference about how juju 2 configures lxd network interfaces on trusty?
[06:56] <wallyworld> manadart: ^^^^^ did you have any info we could pass to  blahdeblah?
[06:56] <wallyworld> or jam?
[06:58] <blahdeblah> thanks wallyworld
[06:58] <wallyworld> np, sorry i'm not the best person to ask
[07:27] <manadart> blahdeblah: There is no "reference" as far as I am aware, but I can answer any questions you have.
[07:29] <blahdeblah> manadart: So I've got a machine where one of the LXD containers doesn't have the network interfaces I expect, and I am trying to work out what actually controls that.  i.e. How does juju decide which network interfaces to give to a container when it creates one on a host?
[07:29] <manadart> This is also beginning to differ between the 2.3 series and 2.4+ as we accommodate LXD clustering.
[07:30] <manadart> blahdeblah: So this is container machines as opposed to the LXD provider, yes?
[07:30] <blahdeblah> Correct; this is 2.3.4 running MAAS provider to drive an Openstack cloud
[07:37] <blahdeblah> manadart: ^ In case you missed it
[07:38] <manadart> blahdeblah: Got it, just doing a quick scan of the 2.3 logic :)
[07:38] <blahdeblah> thanks - appreciated
[08:00] <manadart> blahdeblah: OK, so there is a series of checks and fallbacks.
[08:01] <manadart> The parent machine is interrogated for its interfaces and these are passed to the call for creating the container.
[08:01] <blahdeblah> manadart: Oh, so the config of the parent is what really drives what the LXDs get?
[08:01] <manadart> It appears that ones without a parent device are assigned the default LXD bridge.
[08:02] <blahdeblah> What do you mean "parent device"?
[08:07] <manadart> For example, when no usable interfaces are passed to the create container call, the default is to create "eth0" with the the default LXD bridge as its parent.
[08:08] <blahdeblah> Hmmm - not sure how these ones got set up then; they're neutron gateways which end up with 4-5 "physical" interfaces.
[08:08] <manadart> And there are containers on the same machine with *different* network config?
[08:16] <manadart> blahdeblah: Scratch that. LXD differs from KVM. The host machine does not factor in network config when creating a container.
[08:18] <blahdeblah> aluria: ^
[08:19] <blahdeblah> manadart: Oh, so what does decide the network config?
[08:23] <manadart> So when the machine is initialised for LXD containers, the LXD bridge is configured (via file for the older LXD on Trusty) with a 10.0.*.0/24 subnet.
[08:24] <manadart> The container is created with an "eth0" device that has this bridge as its parent.
[08:28] <manadart> Now there is a final fallback that will not attempt to create the container with explicit devices, and instead just pass it the default LXD profile.
[08:29] <manadart> But that is invoked only when there is no bridge device, and I can't see in the logic how this would come about.
[08:29] <blahdeblah> manadart: that's really odd, because these containers have 3-4 interfaces in most cases, passed through without being part of the usual NAT-ed lxdbr0.
[08:29] <blahdeblah> And I would have thought that there would need to be some explicit request from something to make it that way.
[08:30] <blahdeblah> anyway, dinner time for me - aluria will be able to answer any further Qs on this setup
[08:30] <manadart> blahdeblah: OK. Let me interrogate this further.
[08:31] <manadart> It would be good to know what version of LXD is on the machine.
[08:33] <aluria> manadart: hi o/ -- let me move a couple of dhcp agents out from the failing container and I will grab all the info for you
[08:33] <manadart> Gah. LXD/KVM is the other way around. The host interface *are* passed via network config.
[08:37] <aluria> manadart: so "lxd" pkg on metal is 2.0.11-0ubuntu1~14.04.4
[08:37] <manadart> aluria: Thx
[08:38] <aluria> "neutron agent-list" shows container names of the type "juju-machine-5-lxc-1", except for 22/lxd/8, which was deployed after juju1->juju2 migration -- "juju-958f87-22-lxd-8"
[08:39] <aluria> for now, I have checked "ip netns" on the container with issues (22/lxd/8) and removed the instances via "neutron dhcp-agent-network-remove" and "neutron dhcp-agent-network-add" somewhere else
[08:59] <manadart> aluria: So the errant container is gone? Do we know what interfaces it got vs what the host had?
[09:00] <aluria> manadart: the errant container is still there, but misses eth2; on a different host, a converted lxc->lxd container shows "convert_net2:" on "lxc config device show <lxdname>"
[09:01] <aluria> manadart: I see 2 possibilities: 1) after the upgrade from juju1->juju2, containers are only created with a couple of nics;  2) we missed an extra constraint so as to create 22/lxd/8 with 3 ifaces (not 2)
[09:02] <aluria> for now, I've run -> lxc config device add juju-958f87-22-lxd-8 eth2 nic name=eth2 nictype=bridged parent=br1-dmz  // and I see the 3rd iface on the container
[09:14] <manadart> aluria: It looks like space constraints would limit the devices passed to the container.
[12:57] <Cynerva> is there a way to specify ec2 availability zones in a bundle?
[12:57] <Cynerva> i can do it without bundles, with `juju add-machine zone=us-east-1c` or `juju deploy ubuntu --to zone=us-east-1c`
[12:58] <Cynerva> if i try to use a similar placement directive in a bundle, i get: invalid placement syntax "zone=us-east-1c"
[13:27] <gman> I seem to be have issue with juju etcd  3.2.9, is there a way to install a partitcular version like etcd 2.3.8
[13:35] <rick_h_> gman: hmm, that'll be up to the charm and where the charm gets the software from
[13:36] <rick_h_> gman: looking at the charm readme: https://jujucharms.com/etcd/ it looks like you can use a deb or a snap so maybe there's a snap path you can use or maybe the deb is older than the snap and will work for you
[13:39] <manadart> If anyone would be so kind... https://github.com/juju/juju/pull/8825. Not a big one.
[13:44] <stickupkid> manadart: looking
[13:46] <stickupkid> manadart: LGTM - becoming cleaner
[13:47] <manadart> stickupkid: Yes; quite satisfying. The next one will remove a hoard of code.
[13:48] <manadart> stickupkid: Thanks.
[13:49] <stickupkid> nps
[17:32] <bdx> hello all
[17:32] <bdx> can we place some priority on stuck models being able to get --force destroyed or something
[17:33] <bdx> I've got models stuck in "destroying" on every controller
[17:34] <bdx> I'm not sure creating 5 new controllers and migrating all my non-stuck models to the new controllers is the correct answer
[17:34] <bdx> sounds like a rats nest
[17:34] <bdx> possibly a lion's den
[17:34] <bdx> bear's cave
[17:35] <bdx> either way
[17:35] <pmatulis> bdx, maybe check the logs. you might be able to unstick them if you get more information as to what's going on
[17:36] <pmatulis> controller model logs is what i would look at first
[17:36] <bdx> pmatulis: right, I have a good idea as to why each is stuck
[17:37] <bdx> some are stuck bc machines physically left the model without being removed via juju
[17:37] <bdx> some are stuck because x-model relations wouldn't remove
[17:37] <bdx> some are stuck for other reasons
[17:37] <bdx> either way
[17:37] <bdx> I've got a week worth of things to do today
[17:37] <bdx> and everyday
[17:38] <bdx> chasing these stuck models is not on the agenda
[17:38] <bdx> nor should it be on anyones
[17:38] <pmatulis> you can --force remove machines
[17:41] <bdx> pmatulis: not if they are already physically gone
[17:42] <bdx> possibly in some cases it works
[17:42] <bdx> in others not so much
[17:42] <pmatulis> bdx, did you try?
[17:42] <bdx> oh my
[17:42] <bdx> I'm probably 20hrs into trying to get rid of these models
[17:42] <bdx> giving up
[17:42] <bdx> I don't care enough to keep chasing this rat tail
[17:43] <bdx> but I do care enough to bitch about it and make sure it gets nipped
[17:43] <bdx> pmatulis: thanks for the insight
[17:44] <rick_h_> bdx: it's on the roadmap for this cycle. we've started the spec and definitely will be getting it going
[17:44] <bdx> awesome
[17:44] <bdx> thanks, rick_h
[17:44] <bdx> _
[17:44] <rick_h_> bdx: we had some conversations around various cases for this last week and atm we're doing the series upgrade and cluster stuff but it'll come around
[17:45] <bdx> awesome
[18:35] <bdx> hey guys
[18:36] <bdx> is there anyone around who still deals in maintaining the haproxy charm development
[18:36] <bdx> I've had a PR up for some time that fixes a critical bug
[18:36] <bdx> if someone could give me a review it would be greatly appreciated
[18:36] <bdx> maintainership
[18:36] <bdx> https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesbeedy/charm-haproxy/options_newline
[18:36] <bdx> thanks
[20:29] <stokachu> bdx: what's your deal
[20:33] <stokachu> bdx: https://twitter.com/JamesBeedy/status/1007715556022079488
[20:35] <stokachu> bdx: what part of the code of conduct do you not understand?
[20:35] <bdx> I understand the code of conduct
[20:36] <bdx> If I need to drop a few curse words to get the wheels rolling so be it
[20:36] <bdx> sue me
[20:36] <stokachu> ok we're done
[20:36] <bdx> I'm sorry if I offended you
[20:37] <stokachu> It's offensive to Ubuntu


[00:04] <guiverc> does KDE/Qt have a fonts viewer; if so what's it called please.. (want to avoid using gnome-font-viewer; if you don't know of the top of your head please don't search - I'll find it eventually)
[00:25] <wxl> guiverc: good question. 'd like to know the answer if you find it. might check at #kubuntu too
[00:35] <guiverc> :)  thanks wxl, will do.
[18:32] <sappheiros> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1158243/how-to-fix-duplicate-wireless-taskbar-display
[18:32]  * sappheiros will be back after putting laundry in drier.
[18:33] <wxl> yeah
[18:33] <wxl> so you're not running two copies of the applet are you?
[18:44] <sappheiros> Do you know how to solve the duplicate wireless taskbar icon/panel issue at https://askubuntu.com/questions/1158243/how-to-fix-duplicate-wireless-taskbar-display?
[18:46] <wxl> so you're not running two copies of the applet are you?
[18:47] <sappheiros> i don't know.
[18:47] <sappheiros> it might be two copies of the applet as both respond the same to clicks
[18:48] <wxl> so check and see.........
[18:48] <sappheiros> right clicking applet settings shows only checkboxes for indicator applications and sound menu
[18:48] <sappheiros> (both checked)
[18:49] <sappheiros> nothing apparently relevant in the add/remove panel items menu
[18:49] <sappheiros> i mean panel settings aka panel preferences
[18:49] <sappheiros> i don't see any GUI that will show me whether there are two network applets running
[18:49] <wxl> `pgrep nm-applet`
[18:49] <wxl> :
[18:49] <wxl> i mean you could use any task manager, too
[18:50] <sappheiros> pgrep nm-applet returns "829"
[18:50] <wxl> ok so that's just one, not two
[18:50] <wxl> so it's not that
[18:50] <sappheiros> coooool ctrl+alt+del opens task manager
[18:51] <sappheiros> which does show only one nm-applet
[18:51] <sappheiros> nm-applet = Network Manager applet? (i suppose so)
[18:51] <wxl> if you right click on both of the applets, what's the top selection of the menu?
[18:52] <sappheiros> oh, interesting -- so, right-clicking left 4-bars icon shows list of network connections, whereas right-clicking right 4-bars icon shows "Indicator applet" Settings and other panel-type menu items
[18:52] <sappheiros> so they're not identical
[18:52] <wxl> yuup
[18:52] <wxl> the first one is nm-applet
[18:52] <sappheiros> am i supposed to have two 4-bars icons?
[18:53] <sappheiros> the one that right-clicking shows only network connections is the nm-applet? what is the right-one called?
[18:53] <wxl> indicator applet
[18:53] <wxl> it does a bunch of things like sound and such
[18:54] <wxl> it's another one fo the annoying aspects of lxde
[18:54] <sappheiros> ohh so the indicator applet -- i would like some dividing bar or something to indicate visually the taskbar is showing me different applets
[18:54] <sappheiros> ah
[18:54] <sappheiros> so then basically it's normal behavior, "a feature not a bug"?
[18:54]  * wxl shrugs
[18:54] <wxl> i guess
[18:55] <wxl> theoretically lxde does not inheriently come with networkmanager, so some folks might just rely on the indicator applet
[18:55] <wxl> of course the indicator applet is a little limited, so...
[18:55] <wxl> in an ideal world, the indicator applet would let you limit the network bit, but it doesn't.
[18:56] <wxl> it DOES separate "indicator applications" and "sound menu" so you could just uncheck the first one and hope you have nothing else that needs it
[18:57] <sappheiros> what do you mean by "limit the network bit"?
[18:57] <sappheiros> you mean 'hide from taskbar'?
[18:58] <wxl> the networking indicator is one of many "indicator applications." it would be nice if the settings limited JUST that aspect rather than lumping it all together
[18:58] <wxl> of course maybe that's asking a lot
[19:03] <wxl> sappheiros: no such problem in 19.04 XD
[19:08] <sappheiros> yeah, i didn't have a problem with 18.10 either
[19:08] <sappheiros> good news is i may have a new 64-bit laptop in 3 months or sooner
[19:09] <sappheiros> does lubuntu work with touchscreens? is there OneNote-equivalent handwriting note software?
[19:10] <wxl> touchscreens: yep. i've got one.
[19:11] <wxl> onenote: dunno.
[19:14] <lynorian> I don't know about the touchscreen or stuff hadwriting stuff my writing sucks a ton
[19:14] <sappheiros> i'm thinking to dual-boot windows 10 for onenote and lubuntu ... 18.04 >_>
[19:15] <sappheiros> i mean, i don't really have time to troubleshoot when at work, and i'm nervous to reinstall the latest OS lest the hard drive (windows part) gets corrupted
[19:15] <wxl> you can always grab a windows 10 iso
[19:16] <wxl> and you can run it without the authorization code or whatever
[19:16] <wxl> they actually stopped disabling the vast majority of the functional bit
[19:16] <sappheiros> how safe is it to update/reinstall linux partition of dualboot?
[19:17] <sappheiros> i.e. to use each latest lubuntu version
[19:17] <wxl> destructively changing information on your drive should never be considered "safe," i.e. you should be backing up if youre really worried
[19:18] <sappheiros> oh, yeah.
[19:18] <wxl> that said, you should have no problem except for the fact that the upgrade between lxde and lxqt is a little funky. a new install would be better
[19:18] <sappheiros> yeah did that already
[19:18] <sappheiros> well, though i had replaced 18.04 with 18.10
[20:59] <melodie> hello!
[21:00] <lynorian> hello
[21:00] <melodie> hi lynorian
[21:00] <lynorian> anything I can do myself
[21:00] <lynorian> to help
[21:00] <melodie> I am also coming to say hi to Kamilion : how are you?
[21:01] <melodie> lynorian maybe, never know (around tech it's all good for now)
[21:01] <Kamilion> Fine. Yourself?
[21:01] <melodie> well, thanks
[21:01] <melodie> hot here, perhaps not as hot as at your place
[21:01] <melodie> is it ok to chit chat here?
[21:02] <melodie> maybe better to do so in a social area?
[21:02] <lynorian> -offtopic is probably the best place to chat
[21:02] <melodie> thanks lynorian
[21:02] <melodie> I'm at #lubuntu-offtopic now, thanks
[21:31] <Kapiton> Hi guys! Which network manager do you recommend to use in 19.04 that supports importing VPN config by file, as in 16.04?
[22:28] <cfoch> hi
[22:28] <sappheiros> hello cfoch
[22:28] <sappheiros> !ask
[22:28] <cfoch> Would you recommend Lubuntu for a Pentium 4 with 1 GB of RAM ?
[22:28] <sappheiros> >_>
[22:28] <sappheiros> <_<
[22:29] <sappheiros> cfoch: 32-bit is finished with 18.04
[22:29] <sappheiros> which is supported until around april 2021
[22:29] <sappheiros> i.e. after around April 2021 you'll be 'cut loose' until you get a 64-bit machine if you want tech support
[22:29] <cfoch> isn't there Lubuntu for 19.04?
[22:29] <sappheiros> that is, yes, i would recommend it
[22:30] <sappheiros> cfoch: i think Pentium 4 is a 32-bit processor
[22:30] <sappheiros> if it's 64-bit, then you can use 19.04 yes
[22:30] <cfoch> 32 bits
[22:30] <sappheiros> if you want lubuntu tech support, your options are 18.04 until some time in 2021, or to get a 64-bit machine for later releases
[22:32] <sappheiros> cfoch: i like 18.04 LTS on my 32-bit dell latitude d620
[22:33] <cfoch> I guess my father will not want to change his computer if it still "works". So I guess that in 2021 I could install another OS. So I guess Lubuntu 18.04 is okay
[22:33] <cfoch> Does it come with LxQT?
[22:33] <sappheiros> no
[22:33] <sappheiros> 18.10 onward is lxqt
[22:33] <sappheiros> 18.04 is lxde
[22:34] <sappheiros> just keep in mind after tech support ends security hazards could open up, and the solution to those security hazards would be 'update your software', which would mean 'change the OS' after 18.04 support ends
[22:34] <sappheiros> but that's 2021 or beyond
[22:35] <sappheiros> Dale Carnegie wisely recommends not to worry about problems that don't exist yet. >_>
[22:35] <sappheiros> so yeah give lubuntu 18.04 a try if it's a 32-bit CPU
[22:48] <cfoch> another problem I have is that this computer has no DVD drive but a CD drive
[22:48] <cfoch> also IIRC it cannot boot from USB
[22:49] <cfoch> is there an alternate image that fits into a CD?
[22:53] <lynorian> cfoch: for 32 bit there was but those stopped after 18.04
[22:54] <lynorian> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04.1/release/
[22:57] <cfoch> does http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04.1/release/lubuntu-18.04-alternate-amd64.iso fit into a CD?
 I think so barely


 make 2 of us .. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <guiverc> I run my `check_jammy` script & it reports "no new ISO found" ... I smile !)
[03:41] <guiverc> :)
[03:41] <guiverc> thanks for all your testing elsewhere in the Ubuntu 'universe' @Leokolb, greatly appreciated !
 :)tks
[14:40] -queuebot:#lubuntu-devel- Builds: Lubuntu Desktop amd64 [Jammy 22.04.3] has been marked as ready


[02:19] <Guest12528> My screen resolution is set too high. Once lightdm loads I lose picture. How do I fix this?
[02:39] <Guest12528> the instructions in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Resolution  for XFCE is blank. no info on what to do if you screen res is too high.
[03:54] <cfhowlett> !packaging
[04:04] <Guest12528> ?
[04:04] <Guest12528> i just want to be able to use my computer again  >_<
[04:06] <cfhowlett> Guest12528, ask in #ubuntu  - I'd guess there's a way to override the resolution, but I don't know how
[04:08] <Guest12528> it' starting to look like i should just re-install
[04:09] <cfhowlett> Guest12528, it
[04:09] <cfhowlett> it's a setting; probably an xf** setting.  wait one
[04:11] <cfhowlett> Guest12528, it'll be the display settings stored by xfconf.  nukinng that file will invoke reconfiguration.  have you a live cd/usb?
[04:12] <Guest12528> yeah
[04:12] <cfhowlett> Guest12528, don't quote me on this but ...
[04:13] <cfhowlett> booting the live session and going to your settings folder, killing xfconf means the default will then be able to boot.
[04:16] <Guest12528> bah. gotta lookup how to fix the ACL not wanting to mount stuff blah blah error from 12.10
[04:18] <cfhowlett> Guest12528, ok then.  best of luck
[04:21] <akis63> hi all. any solution for "resolving host" issue at Version 30.0.1599.114 Ubuntu 12.04 (30.0.1599.114-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>)?
[04:24] <Guest12528> I need more info. not sure exactly what your asking
[04:26] <Guest12528> booting the live USB in persistant mode somehow broke grub?   im just gonna re-install thanks for the help cfhowlett
[04:26] <cfhowlett> Guest12528, good luck.
[04:28] <akis63> http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/chrome/_CZhoDepThk
[05:18] <nlsthzn> morning all, I am currently running xubuntu 13.10 and I am trying to run dual monitors on a nvidia 8800GT card using the proprietary nvidia driver.  Main screen uses a custom edid file to force native resolution of 1920x1080 but my second screen I am only able to get 640x480 and nothing more... any suggestions / assistance would be appreciated...
[05:22] <Unit193> Heya.  Before when I've had res issues, xorg -configure from a tty when not running X has worked, another computer uses xrandr to add and switch to it, but not as pretty.
[05:31] <nlsthzn> tried xrandr but getting an error when I try to add the new resolution :/ Was just thinking that I haven't re-tried running the nvidia configure command since adding the second screen... going to give that a try too
[05:34] <nlsthzn> well that did nothing the xorg.conf files are identical >.<
[05:40] <Unit193> Bah.
[06:38] <nlsthzn> well good news is I know have both screens on native resolution... bad news is I have no idea how and why it worked (I basically stuffed up xorg.conf a few times playing with nvidia settings and now it works)
[06:39] <nlsthzn> one oddity is that synapse now has a big black background when I use it which is not a train smash but odd :/
[07:19] <nlsthzn> any idea what could be wrong if you loose transparency in Xubuntu?
[07:22] <RobertJDohnert> Compositor malfunction
[07:23] <nlsthzn> hmm... odd
[07:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> Is composting turned off?
[07:24] <nlsthzn> nope, first thing I checked... well it is enabled, if it is actually on or working I don't know
[07:25] <Poisoned_Dragon> One way to know is in Panel Preferences.
[07:26] <Poisoned_Dragon> In the Appearance tab, if you see sliders to change the Opacity, or the Alpha Channel, it's on for sure.
[07:26] <Poisoned_Dragon> Then, adjust to see if the sliders have an effect.
[07:27] <nlsthzn> Ah I can't change it :'(
[07:28] <Poisoned_Dragon> Hmm... I wish I knew why. Never saw the composter tank like that.
[07:28] <nlsthzn> so it would seem compositing is not working since I stuffed around with this dual monitor setup :/
[07:29] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh. :( That's really over my head. I've never done multiple monitors in linux.
[07:31] <nlsthzn> no worries Poisoned_Dragon , thanks for the assistance anyhow...
[07:45] <nlsthzn> seems that Composite extensions for X Server may now be off (and I have no idea how to check this or to enable them now) ... hmm...
[09:05]  * nlsthzn is such a noob, was busy making a forum post about compositing not working after stuffing up xorg.conf and I copied/pasted the info to the thread and only then noticed the last bit of the file was "disabling" "compositing" ... so guess who's composting is now working again >.<
[11:20] <xubuntu693> hello
[11:59] <xubunter> hello xubunters dom the world
[11:59] <xubunter> from
[12:28] <Guest94172> Hello, now my computer motherboard is not working proper, so HDD doesn't work. I want to ask does xubuntu works better in usb memory drive(old verbatim 16gb) than ubuntu?
[12:29] <Rory> Guest94172: What do you mean "better" than Ubuntu? What doesn't work on Ubuntu?
[12:32] <Guest94172> On ubuntu firefox stops/crashes every time I play youtube or open another tab.
[12:33] <Guest94172> Everything stops and crashes :D
[12:33] <Guest94172> Trying go to another folder in file manager and window became gray
[12:34] <Rory> Guest94172: Well Xubuntu is more lightweight than Ubuntu and has generally lower memory requirements
[12:34] <Guest94172> Only Minecraft works fine
[12:34] <Rory> But a lot will depend on how fast your actual flash drive is, too
[12:35] <Guest94172> my computer has 4gb RAM, Q8200 processor (2.33 ghz*4), 512 mb video card. So yeah my old usb memory drive is too slow for that. But now I don't have moeny for new motherboard and HDD
[13:16] <alexbeck> Hi everyone. I am having nasty issues with latest ubuntu on Acer Aspire. Could someone look into my situation, described here http://askubuntu.com/questions/375413/been-trying-to-switch-to-linux-for-10-years-help-with-acer-aspire-issues-please
[13:23] <koegs> tl;dr - what is the actual question :)
[13:30] <alexbeck> koegs the question is do I get this to work bro....
[13:32] <koegs> i think, i have to agree with Web-E :(
[13:33] <cfhowlett> let's keep this in ONE channel, shall we?  less confusion all around
[13:34] <alexbeck> koegs I don't really see how is my reporting not specific enough
[13:34] <alexbeck> my system breaks down, that's all I know
[13:34] <alexbeck> the message popping up
[13:35] <alexbeck> said nothing more than internal system error
[13:35] <alexbeck> or something of that sort
[13:35] <alexbeck> ...
[13:35] <alexbeck> I've done at least 10 different installs
[13:35] <alexbeck> and each time
[13:35] <koegs> ask a specific question on a specific problem and people will try to help you, post a long text and everybody will ignore it
[13:35] <alexbeck> everything just breaks down
[13:36] <koegs> basic rule
[13:36] <cfhowlett> alexbeck, tells us ZERO.  psychic hotline tech support is on vacation.
[13:37] <alexbeck> ok. any idea how do I manage to log in
[13:37] <alexbeck> cause right now I am on W7
[13:37] <alexbeck> if I was able to log in again
[13:37] <alexbeck> i COULD try being more specific
[13:38] <cfhowlett> alexbeck, no error messages = nothing to diagnose.  if you can't READ and report error messages, no one is going to be able to magically fix it
[13:38] <cfhowlett> !details
[13:38] <alexbeck> cfhowlett aight man got cha, as I said if there was something specific in that error box I would have put it down
[13:38] <alexbeck> it is not my fault the error message was generic
[13:39] <alexbeck> please help logging back in, let's start from there
[13:39] <cfhowlett> can you boot a live cd?
[13:39] <cfhowlett> usb?
[13:40] <alexbeck> yes
[13:41] <cfhowlett> alexbeck, ok, boot that.  run check disk integrity.  if it checks out, reinstall.
[13:41] <alexbeck> my hdd is basically brand new, I've changed it a month ago?
[13:42] <cfhowlett> and?  as I said, you've given us nothing to work with, so reinstall is the one thing I know should work.  but THIS time, note any error messages you get
[13:42] <alexbeck> so this has been happening on different hard drives as well
[13:42] <cfhowlett> alexbeck, so it's not a HDD issue then
[13:43] <cfhowlett> wait
[13:43] <cfhowlett> on multiple computers?
[13:43] <alexbeck> no no, just one the acer aspire, I just changed my hard drive recently and I am still having the same issues
[13:45] <cfhowlett> alexbeck, multiple hdd fails?  Id' suspect your acer is incompatible or malfunctioning.  could be a mobo issue ... but if you MUST have ubuntu, install virtualbox to windows.  download 32 bit ubuntu. put it in the virtualbox.
[13:46] <alexbeck> I dropped it while downloading at full speed that's why it broke down
[13:46] <alexbeck> how should I reinstall
[13:46] <alexbeck> overwrite it
[13:46] <cfhowlett> you dropped what?
[13:46] <alexbeck> or format it first
[13:46] <alexbeck> I dropped the laptop
[13:47] <cfhowlett> you forgot to mention that?
[13:48] <alexbeck> yeah I guess ;p I didn't know it could be relevant. This has been happenning even before I dropped it
[13:48] <cfhowlett> format the hdd, reinstall windows, reinstall ubuntu.  I'm out.  good luck.
[13:49] <alexbeck> alright, tnx..
[14:14] <nlsthzn> anybody have an idea how I can capture voice via a mic as well as game sounds/music when using ffmpeg?  In my audio set-up I can choose Analogue Stereo Output that gives me game/music but no voice, or Analogue Stereo Duplex that gives voice but nothing else?!
[14:15] <cfhowlett> nlsthzn, multiple stream capture?  sounds like a JACK task, not ffmpeg.  I could be wrong.  ask in #ubuntustudio
[14:16] <nlsthzn> it should also be possible with PulseAudio (I actually got it to work once :p then without changing anything it stopped)... but thanks for the tip cfhowlett
[14:35] <alexbeck> cfhowlett
[14:35] <alexbeck> :P
[14:35] <alexbeck> I reinstalled
[14:36] <alexbeck> check my bootinfoscript output if you want to http://pastebin.com/2sQHvDYp
[14:37] <cfhowlett> alexbeck, so far the great chinese firewall doesn't want me to see that paste.
[14:40] <alexbeck> well I dont know what you mean man, but I sure would appreciate any help
[14:41] <koegs> alexbeck: so what info should we get from that output?
[14:41] <cfhowlett> alexbeck, I can't see the post.  I'm in china.
[14:41] <Junka> !ch
[14:42] <Junka> no chinese?
[14:42] <cfhowlett> Junka, ... read more post less.  I said I'm in CHINA.  and for the record, I speak perfect English.  But thanks.
[14:42] <koegs> cfhowlett: it shows the grub-config and fstab, nothing else
[14:42] <Junka> cfhowlett, :)
[14:43] <cfhowlett> alexbeck, bring your error report to #ubuntu for more eyes on the issue.
[14:43] <alexbeck> koegs, well somebody asked me for that so I guessed it might be relevant
[14:43] <alexbeck> cfhowlett, right now I am not getting anything
[14:43] <alexbeck> it will break sooner or later.
[14:48] <alexbeck> is there a way to remove the labels of the running programs on the task bar. I want to move the taskbar to the side vertically and only have the icons?
[15:15] <alexbeck> is there a way to remove the labels of the running programs on the task bar. I want to move the taskbar to the side vertically and only have the icons?
[15:21] <TheSheep> alexbeck: yes, just right-click and select 'preferences'
[15:21] <alexbeck> I dont see it as an option
[15:21] <alexbeck> how is it called
[15:22] <alexbeck> TheSheep
[15:23] <TheSheep> alexbeck: it's the very first checkbox, under 'appearance'
[15:23] <TheSheep> alexbeck: 'show button labels'
[15:23] <alexbeck> TheSheep, look... http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-11112013-162325.php
[15:24] <TheSheep> that's preferences for the panel, not for the panel plugin
[15:24] <TheSheep> if you click on 'items' there and select 'winodow buttons', you can get to the preferences from there too
[15:27] <alexbeck> aha!!
[15:27] <alexbeck> nice
[15:27] <alexbeck> I didn't realize I could double click there
[15:27] <alexbeck> thanks a bunch TheSheep
[15:28] <TheSheep> normally you can get there also by clicking on the panel plugin itself, but some plugins have their own right-click menu, which makes it harder
[15:29] <alexbeck> what about the clock and date
[15:29] <alexbeck> again, I can't see the option
[15:29] <alexbeck> if there is one
[15:29] <alexbeck> for switching it to horizontal
[15:30] <TheSheep> no idea
[15:33] <alexbeck> TheSheep, if you could check my screen shot again, my volume control bundle is not working as well, the only way I control my sound is FN + Arrow up/down
[15:34] <alexbeck> do you know anything about this
[15:34] <alexbeck> ..:)
[17:22] <oal> Hi. I've just switched to Xubuntu from Ubuntu. I miss the "super" shortcut to open applications in the dash. What "launcher" do you recommend for Xfce?
[17:47] <xubuntu407> anyone know how to select the cups driver for 7820N Brother printer?
[17:48] <xubuntu407> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/MFC-7820N  < I tried these directions
[17:48] <xubuntu407> But where do i select the driver?
[17:50] <GridCube> xubuntu407, open a new tab on any of your webbrowsers and go to localhost:631
[17:51] <xubuntu407> GridCube, I did do that and went into "Manage Printers".  Where do I select the driver?
[17:52] <GridCube> go to administration, then add a printer
[17:53] <xubuntu407> The printer is already added and activated.  It has some BRscript driver.
[17:54] <GridCube> then go to manage it and change its drivers
[17:55] <xubuntu407> But all I see is the BRscript and the Foomatic driver there.  What is the cups driver called?  I don't see it there.
[17:55] <GridCube> no idea
[17:56] <xubuntu407> ok.  I wonder what those commands did in the wiki...it says that it would install the driver, but its not there.
[17:58] <xubuntu407> thanks though
[19:41] <bgardner> clear
[19:41] <bgardner> Oops, my bad
[19:42] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol
[19:42] <Poisoned_Dragon> /clear fail
[20:36] <xubuntu321> Hello
[20:37] <knome> !hi | xubuntu321
[20:37] <xubuntu321> Can you help, as I have downloaded Steam off of the Ubuntu software centre and it does not open.
[20:38] <Guest70577> hello, tout a l'heure sous le compte invité j'avais demandé de l'aide et quelqu'un m'a répondu comme quoi mon disfonctionnement provenait de Xauthority. suite à cela j'ai fait ce qu'il m'a dit et ça re-fonctionne correctement sous mon user. je tenais à vous remercier
[20:38] <Unit193> !fr
[20:38] <Guest70577> ok merci je vais y aller
[20:38] <xubuntu321> um....
[22:53] <xubuntu670> hello
[22:53] <Unit193> Howdy.
[22:53] <amari> How do I fix the volume icon bug in 13.10? I suppose this question is often asked, sorry :D
[22:54] <Poisoned_Dragon> all da time. :)
[22:54] <Poisoned_Dragon> amari, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-sound/+bug/1208204
[22:55] <Poisoned_Dragon> Read comment #5, amari.
[22:55] <Poisoned_Dragon> Then logout and log back in.
[22:55] <Unit193> (or xfce4-panel -r  in the run dialog)
[22:56] <Poisoned_Dragon> Or that too
[22:56] <Poisoned_Dragon> pick your poison
[22:56] <amari> Poisoned_Dragon: thanks. But that workaround is from August, there is no official update package for that?
[22:56] <amari> I'm quite surprised :)
[22:56]  * Poisoned_Dragon shrugs. I dunno what to tell you.
[22:56] <Unit193> You can compile the gtk3 wrapper.
[22:57] <Poisoned_Dragon> it's a gtk3 issue?
[23:01] <Unit193> Poisoned_Dragon: Well, the newer indicators are gtk3, the panel and xfce panel indicator plugin are gtk2.
[23:02] <Poisoned_Dragon> ah, gotcha
[23:03] <Poisoned_Dragon> You have to compile it? Tis not a pre-packaged download? :(
[23:05] <Unit193> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Saucy/Gtk3Indicators Workin' on that bit.
[23:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, it'll be a thing in 14.04?
[23:11] <Unit193> Would be nice for a ppa or backport, but yes it should be in Trusty for sure.
[23:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> Meh, I can wait.
[23:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> The wok around is simple enough and does the job.


[10:56] <rmg51> Morning
[10:56] <InHisName> Morning to you 2
[11:09] <JonathanD> Morning.
[11:10] <JonathanD> Overslept.
[11:10] <JonathanD> durn christmas party :p
[11:29] <rmg51> it's Christmas time again? :-/
[11:30] <JonathanD> Yes.
[11:42] <rmg51> my Mom thinks today is Thanksgiving :P
[11:42] <JonathanD> So boss man handed out christmas gifts last night.
[11:42] <JonathanD> Whole company got ipads.
[11:43] <JonathanD> rmg51: does this mean you have turkey?
[11:44] <waltman> JonathanD: Are you feeling the lure of the Dark Side? :)
[11:44] <JonathanD> waltman: no.
[11:45] <waltman> It's ...  I don't like cars anyway.
[11:48] <JonathanD> waltman: I'll settle for a bike trail on our side of the river from here to conshohocken, instead.
[11:48] <JonathanD> If thats easier.
[11:48] <waltman> I'll get to work on it.
[11:48] <JonathanD> Or even a walking trail. I can walk while mucking with my ipad.
[11:48] <JonathanD> waltman: crissi is probably going to end up using it more than me.
[11:48] <waltman> How about an old inner tube so you can float down the river?
[11:48] <JonathanD> I have my shiny android tablet that she got me.
[11:49] <JonathanD> waltman: see, that works great for getting to work.
[11:49] <InHisName> next thing to demand is wireless access the WHOLE way on the trail.
[11:49] <JonathanD> InHisName: yes.
[11:50] <waltman> I've got to reboot into a new kernel. bbiab.
[11:51] <InHisName> so, just how many tablets do you own, now, JonathanD ?
[11:51] <JonathanD> Just the two.
[11:51] <JonathanD> Although I have an x200 as well, it's not actually mine.
[11:51] <JonathanD> That one is a "PC" tablet.
[11:52] <JonathanD> x86
[11:53] <InHisName> speaking of christmas gifts,  I'll take a full time job.   I can live w/o the tablet, corvette, wireless access on trails. etc.
[11:54] <JonathanD> InHisName: any luck there so far?
[11:55] <InHisName> 2 wks ago, I got THREE calls in single week.   One developed into 2 interviews.
[11:55] <JonathanD> Do you do any side work? (if so, what?)
[11:56] <InHisName> Doing scripting shell perl etc. for Health Market Science.   Then they got a new business contract with diff needs and redirected the $$ to that direction.
[11:56] <InHisName> No sides either.
[11:57] <InHisName> I'd take it if I could find some.  It's mostly bedrooms and itty-bitty companies here in northern burbs.
[11:59] <JonathanD> Whereabouts are you?
[11:59] <InHisName> Warminster,  near Doylestown
[12:02] <JonathanD> welcome back, waltman
[12:04] <waltman> It's great to be back!
[12:08] <JonathanD> we missed you
[12:08] <waltman> awww
[12:10] <JonathanD> But you were gone a while. So we sold all your stuff...
[12:10] <waltman> So far, version 3.1.5-1 of linux-image-3.1.0-1-686-pae doesn't seem much different from version 3.1.1-1.
[13:04] <teddy-dbear> morning
[13:31] <waltman> happy solstice
[14:23] <InHisName> what is a jedisc ?
[14:35] <JonathanD> je-disc
[14:35] <JonathanD> it's like a frisbee
[14:35] <JonathanD> you throw it.
[14:36]  * JonathanD throws jedijf
[17:58]  * jedijf lands
[17:58] <jedijf> mutlu ftw
[17:59] <jedijf> if i was 20 years younger, i'd be in doylestown ny's eve
[18:42] <InHisName> sump'in goin' on there, jedijf ?    I'm pretty close by there.
[18:47] <jedijf> InHisName: mutlu at puck
[18:54] <InHisName> some kind of hockey puck ?
[18:54] <InHisName> a game ?
[18:58] <rmg51> http://www.pucklive.com/
[22:43] <jthan> Evening
[22:43] <jthan> jedijf: what's in doylestown?
[23:05] <jedijf> jthan: i am really liking mutlu; and he's a philly boy
[23:06] <jthan> oh. I didn't read backlogs :-/
[23:06] <jedijf> dude can sing
[23:08] <jedijf> he rocked 'board games' on the leicht lunch on xpn today...live...rocked it
[23:21] <InHisName> I am getting emails of errors from -->(Cron demon)      HOWEVER crond is NOT running.  Why ?


[20:35] <Synthead> I'm trying to write an upstart script for ubuntu 14.01
[20:35] <Synthead> here's what I have now, just for testing
[20:35] <Synthead> http://pastie.org/10719758
[20:35] <Synthead> for some reason, when I do "start test", it hangs
[20:35] <Synthead> what's going on here?


[00:17] <ChrisC35> hey Daviey
[00:19] <Daviey> ChrisC35: :)
[00:20] <ChrisC35> hey - on that page in followed the instructions for 'obtaining the driver'  - the last step run 'modprobe cx18' i just typed modprobe cx18 and nothing is outputed. does that sound normal?
[00:20] <ChrisC35> just back to command prompt\
[00:21] <ChrisC35> this is the page again: http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Cx18
[00:22] <superm1> abarbaccia, try looking in the amd control centre
[00:22] <superm1> for what monitors it sees connected
[00:22] <Daviey> ChrisC35: no output from modprobe $module is good
[00:23] <Daviey> means it successfully loaded
[00:23] <ChrisC35> ok - do I have to follow the instructions for 'Firmware' ?
[00:26] <Daviey> probably
[00:28] <ChrisC35> whats wierd is it says it needs to be extracted from teh windows driver
[00:34] <Daviey> ChrisC35: yeah, it's the firmware
[00:35] <Daviey> as itisn't on their site, or in the restricted ubuntu package yet
[00:42]  * Daviey --> bed
[00:42] <ChrisC35> what is firmware exactly?
[00:42] <ChrisC35> ok , well thanks for your help
[00:53] <hads> MythbuntuControlCentre/core.py breaks if there's an empty line in your passw - not sure why there was an empty line in my passwd.
[01:30] <ChrisC35> hi
[01:31] <ChrisC35> for these instructions: Unzip, then copy the following files to the firmware directory and rename them as follows:
[01:31] <ChrisC35> Drivers/Driver18/hcw18apu.rom -> v4l-cx23418-apu.fw
[01:31] <ChrisC35> from this page: http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Cx18
[01:32] <ChrisC35> i'm not quite following - i get to copy the file, but where to I cophy it to? is the 'v4l - ' part of the new filename? or a reference to where it is going? where is the firmware directory in mythbuntu?
[01:37] <superm1> hads, can you file a bug?
[01:37] <superm1> and/or patch ;)
[01:38] <ChrisC35> i think i did it
[01:48] <hads> superm1: I will once I can figure out why I can't launch it anymore :)
[01:58] <hads> superm1: Bug #240275
[01:58] <superm1> thanks hads
[01:58] <hads> NP
[02:01] <hads> Is there a recommended way to run MCC via SSH?
[02:02] <superm1> you need a -X and a -Y
[02:02] <superm1> if you are having crash problems, then run it like this:
[02:02] <superm1> sudo /usr/share/mythbuntu-control-centre/bin/mythbuntu-control-centre
[02:03] <hads> Yeah, I thought just forwarding would do it. Seems I'm missing xorgconfig
[02:03] <superm1> are you on intrepid or hardy?
[02:03] <hads> Just hardy
[02:04] <superm1> okay (phew)
[02:04] <superm1> i know there is going to be breakage with that on intrepid
[02:04] <hads> I'm contemplating moving to a package install but alredy have quote a bit of existing source setup.
[02:04] <superm1> ah that's why you are missing xorgconfig :)
[02:05] <superm1> the dependencies get a little wacky when you dont add it all in together
[02:05] <hads> I just installed mythbuntu-control-centre
[02:05] <superm1> yeah, xorgconfig usually comes in with displayconfig-gtk
[02:05] <hads> Wanted to have a play with it :)
[02:05] <superm1> which is by default on most ubuntu installs
[02:05] <superm1> and on mythbuntu installs
[02:06] <superm1> it should be a default on mythbuntu-control-centre install, but it looks like forgot to put that dependency in
[02:06] <hads> Ah great thanks, I was having trouble finding the package.
[02:06] <superm1> if that's all that's causing your bug, its at least an easy fix
[02:06] <superm1> kde-guidance provides it
[02:07] <hads> I can't remember what install disk was used for this box, it wasn't a desktop install from memory and it's been upgraded since.
[02:07] <hads> So probably not your normal target
[02:08] <hads> Yeah, pulling in displayconfig-gtk fixed it.
[02:47] <abarbaccia> superm1: back to my hdmi problem -- catalyst controller sees the monitor but says connection is DVI. I'm using a HDMI->DVI cable to test...
[02:47] <superm1> abarbaccia,so that sounds accurate
[02:48] <superm1> you just need to enable the second monitor via the catalyst control center
[02:48] <abarbaccia> but why no picture then...
[02:48] <abarbaccia> 2nd monitor?
[02:48] <abarbaccia> there's only one...
[02:51] <superm1> how did you look at catalyst control center then?
[02:58] <abarbaccia> superm1: vnc ;-)
[02:58] <superm1> ah okay
[02:59] <superm1> so does it claim that the monitor is "enabled"?
[03:00] <abarbaccia> superm1: yes.
[03:00] <abarbaccia> and when the machine is starting up hdmi works (see txt, and mythbuntu logo, etc)
[03:00] <superm1> then check in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:00] <abarbaccia> then when driver loads and x starts, it dies
[03:00] <superm1> and see if it sees any weird stuff about the EDID
[03:00] <superm1> or anything out of place
[03:01] <superm1> try to change the resolution in the catalyst control center too
[03:01] <superm1> i would be willing to bet there is something here that is invalid with the EDID causing no picture to show up
[03:01] <superm1> probably a refresh rate or something similar
[03:01] <superm1> if you actually have a TV with real HDMI you should have better luck
[03:01] <abarbaccia> superm1: goti t
[03:01] <superm1> the open source driver likely isn't exploiting the full value that the EDID claims
[03:01] <abarbaccia> it was sending an unusable resolution
[03:02] <abarbaccia> dude, u always seem to be about 10 minutes ahead of me
[03:02] <abarbaccia> damn t
[03:02] <abarbaccia> it
[03:02] <abarbaccia> lol
[03:03] <superm1> haha
[03:03] <superm1> i've probably just messed with a lot of this stuff for too long
[03:04] <abarbaccia> well, ydm (you da man) ;-)
[03:04] <superm1> hey so did you have luck with your IR blaster?
[03:05] <abarbaccia> i haven't been able to test it yet
[03:05] <superm1> mine was working for a little bit for reception, but then just stopped
[03:05] <abarbaccia> the internal usb?
[03:05] <superm1> i wasn't able to blast with it at all when it stopped
[03:05] <superm1> the external usb one
[03:05] <abarbaccia> really?
[03:05] <superm1> yeah i have no idea what happened
[03:05] <abarbaccia> i've used external one back a few months ago and it worked fine
[03:05] <superm1> well this is brand new hardware
[03:05] <abarbaccia> had a customer controlling 6 cable boxes with 2 of them
[03:05] <abarbaccia> ahhh
[03:05] <superm1> so it's possible a hardware defect in this blaster
[03:06] <superm1> remember they're beta :)
[03:06] <abarbaccia> true
[03:06] <abarbaccia> hahaha right
[03:06] <abarbaccia> im trying to get the hvr1600s to work
[03:06] <superm1> i'd hate if i ended up exposing that
[03:06] <abarbaccia> hahahaha yeah
[03:06] <abarbaccia> hopefully its just a driver modification, ya know
[03:06] <superm1> well getting that lirc package built with his driver was a pain in the ass
[03:06] <superm1> when it really shouldn't have been
[03:07] <abarbaccia> yeah
[03:07] <superm1> it was silly little things related to the Makefile and configure script that would be handled automatically by CVS
[03:07] <superm1> but not by a released version
[03:07] <abarbaccia> ahh
[03:07] <abarbaccia> yeah, that lirc package is a mess
[03:07] <abarbaccia> modifying it is terribly complicated
[03:07] <superm1> i dont know if its worthwhile to try to get debian to sync up with us
[03:07] <superm1> i doubt they will want to now
[03:08] <superm1> there is no chance we'll just switch to them now as there is too much logic built into that postinst
[03:08] <abarbaccia> into our postinst?
[03:09] <superm1> yeah
[03:09] <superm1> that's where a ton of magic happens
[03:09] <abarbaccia> right - seems like too much is happening with the package
[03:09] <abarbaccia> right all the lirc logic bugs that are sitting in my inbox
[03:10] <abarbaccia> so wheres the project to proceed?
[03:10] <abarbaccia> its like everything is starting to have remotes these days
[03:10] <abarbaccia> so receiving is becoming critically important
[03:12] <superm1> well there are a lot of independent efforts going on
[03:12] <superm1> but they are all making really slow progress
[03:12] <abarbaccia> independent efforts? what do u mean?
[03:12] <superm1> because they are all making slow progress, that's why I jumped the gun to write the logic we have now and to include lirc in LUM
[03:12] <superm1> 1) getting lirc included in the kernel
[03:12] <superm1> 2) custom ui for new remotes
[03:12] <superm1> 3) custom UI for configuring lirc
[03:13] <superm1> 4) standardization of remote button naming
[03:13] <abarbaccia> 4 is critical
[03:13] <superm1> well so you can either try to improve current integration here or you can try to fix the general problem
[03:13] <abarbaccia> bc that could remove an entire configuration file
[03:14] <superm1> in the effort of time, the former is easier
[03:14] <superm1> and once the former is sane, the latter is more feasible
[03:14] <abarbaccia> agreed with the approach
[03:14] <abarbaccia> its just so difficult because the number of remotes out there, no way to autodetect, etc
[03:15] <superm1> well the best thing is to get any of the remotes that you are normally working with/selling working
[03:15] <superm1> and then let people file bugs on the others
[03:15] <superm1> you can also try to sell remotes that are functional as kernel devices directly already
[03:15] <abarbaccia> right but does that effort get invested into packaging, or figuring another way to configure
[03:15] <superm1> any of the Dell laptops these days that come with a remote, they are purely kernel devices
[03:16] <superm1> it's great, and they work in any app then without worrying with LIRC
[03:16] <abarbaccia> see, that's what i was wondering...is lirc really needed for remotes
[03:16] <superm1> well right now that effort should get invested into packaging and i think
[03:16] <superm1> because that "other" way to configure is a separate problem
[03:16] <superm1> at least in the current day
[03:18] <abarbaccia> gotcha
[03:18] <abarbaccia> u see the specs on the new Eee?
[03:19] <superm1> yeah i've been pointed at them
[03:19] <superm1> i will end up with other product(s) instead later this year that i'll be buying though :)
[03:20] <abarbaccia> yeah
[03:20] <abarbaccia> i just like this new class of netbooks
[03:20] <abarbaccia> i think its a cool toy
[03:20] <superm1> the atom can almost handle playing HD too
[03:20] <superm1> on myth that is
[03:20] <abarbaccia> g'damn!
[03:20] <abarbaccia> h.264?
[03:21] <superm1> i haven't messed with h264 on it at all
[03:21] <abarbaccia> ah nice
[03:21] <abarbaccia> alright another problem
[03:21] <superm1> just high res mpeg2 stuff it just barely skips a bit
[03:21] <superm1> and its just myth that skips
[03:21] <superm1> playing in totem-xine it's smooth
[03:21] <abarbaccia> i hate that that happens
[03:21] <superm1> yeah me too
[03:21] <superm1> it reminds me how much i hate that ffmpeg is different in different projects
[03:22] <abarbaccia> is that what it is?
[03:22] <superm1> well i like to blame that
[03:22] <superm1> but i dont know for sure
[03:22] <abarbaccia> hahaha
[03:22] <abarbaccia> yeah, i was wondering if there was a way to use different "engines" kinda like with audio
[03:22] <superm1> i've heard it is because of how QT is used inefficiently in myth
[03:22] <superm1> and then i've heard that there are too many threads running at the same time in myth
[03:22] <superm1> i've heard all these different things, but nothing definitive
[03:22] <abarbaccia> myth does seem a bit bloated these days
[03:23] <superm1> the guy who works on mythbuntu on appletv said that he will go through and clean up some of the code in myth to get rid of the inefficiencies that stand out
[03:23] <abarbaccia> i mean ,setting scope at "mythical convergence box" would tend to do that
[03:23] <abarbaccia> interesting
[03:23] <superm1> because its the same way on apple tv, just barely there
[03:23] <abarbaccia> ah, that would be awesome
[03:23] <abarbaccia> great as a media extender
[03:24] <superm1> the nice thing is that all the lpia stuff is already built for hardy too
[03:24] <abarbaccia> alright - next question
[03:24] <superm1> so if you get an atom based box, you can just install ubuntu lpia on it and myth from the repos
[03:24] <abarbaccia> oh sweet
[03:24] <superm1> (assuming it doesn't already come with an ubuntu lpia based install) ;)
[03:24] <abarbaccia> cool
[03:25] <abarbaccia> i bought an hvr16000
[03:25] <abarbaccia> 1600
[03:25] <abarbaccia> and i get it almost working
[03:25] <abarbaccia> at my desk
[03:25] <abarbaccia> when i plug in at tv, it refuses to boot
[03:25] <abarbaccia> hangs at the bios
[03:25] <abarbaccia> if i take the card out, no problems
[03:25] <superm1> so where's it hang at the TV?
[03:25] <superm1> and i'm assuming these are two different computers
[03:25] <foxbuntu> superm1, the PVR-150MCE has been end of life'd :( (along with all of their other analog tuners)
[03:25] <superm1> at your desk and tv
[03:26] <superm1> foxbuntu, well the HVR950 is just about supported
[03:26] <superm1> so it will make a good replacement
[03:26] <superm1> i believe
[03:26] <superm1> once the rest of the support is ready
[03:26] <foxbuntu> thats the NTSC/ATSC hybrid right?
[03:26] <abarbaccia> superm1: its the same box!
[03:26] <superm1> abarbaccia, also i'm working on getting coreavc based myth packages ready
[03:27] <superm1> so that should help a bit at least when messign with the h264 stuff
[03:27] <superm1> ls
[03:27] <superm1> oops :)
[03:27] <abarbaccia> superm1: very nice! those will be greatly appreciated
[03:27] <superm1> foxbuntu, yes
[03:27] <foxbuntu> superm1, I will be ordering my HD PVR this week if your interested
[03:28] <superm1> foxbuntu, yeah i'd like to hear how your hardware handles with it
[03:28] <superm1> but remember there are no myth patches ready yet
[03:28] <superm1> so you'll just be able to capture and do some basic testing at this point
[03:29] <foxbuntu> superm1, thats ok...I will have a machine to test the SVN trunk code on
[03:30] <rhpot1991> foxbuntu: what cpu does your HD playback box have?
[03:30] <superm1> foxbuntu, it's not even in SVN trunk
[03:30] <superm1> it's not there yet, period
[03:30] <abarbaccia> superm1: and it hangs at the bios at POST i believe
[03:30] <superm1> the patches will be to -fixes though too eventually
[03:30] <superm1> abarbaccia, well that's very bizarre then
[03:31] <abarbaccia> yes, i am completely confused
[03:31] <superm1> you have some other hardware by the TV?
[03:31] <superm1> usb stuff, different keyboard mouse
[03:31] <superm1> anything like that
[03:31] <abarbaccia> everythign is unplugged
[03:31] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, right now its not big enough, its a single core 3400+
[03:32] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, however I am placing the order for my dev hardware later this week and an HD PVR is on the list
[03:32] <superm1> abarbaccia, did you make sure to take the gremlins out of the box before you started?
[03:32] <rhpot1991> foxbuntu: 5000+ x2?
[03:32] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, I am going to test 4 procs and benchmark them (5000+ X2, Phenom 9750 X4, Intel E8600 and Q6600)
[03:34] <abarbaccia> superm1: foxbuntu: HVR950 doesn't have QAM support?
[03:34] <rhpot1991> foxbuntu: excellent, let me know how the 5000+x2 does with it
[03:34] <rhpot1991> abarbaccia: nope
[03:34] <rhpot1991> err wait
[03:34] <superm1> abarbaccia, sure it does
[03:34] <rhpot1991> thought you asked hdhr
[03:34] <superm1> they just dont advertise it that way usually
[03:35] <foxbuntu> rhpot1991, no problem...I am using the same board and ram for each proc (obviously an intel board for the intel procs)
[03:35] <abarbaccia> superm1: im reading reviews right now, only OTA, no QAM
[03:35] <superm1> i've got one sitting on my desk right now that says QAM on the back of it
[03:35] <foxbuntu> so my test results should be based on proc bottleneck only
[03:36] <superm1> i haven't actually tested the QAM, but it says it should.  also the guy i got it from told me it should work with QAM even though a lot of reviews say otherwise
[03:36] <abarbaccia> maybe error is between users chair and keyboard?
[03:36] <rhpot1991> "Comcast plans to drop all analog service by 2010 and other cable providers are expected to follow depending on how successful Comcast is.  Between Comcast's move to switched digital video and dropping analog service its going to be harder and harder to keep running a Mythtv box."
[03:36] <rhpot1991> blah
[03:36] <superm1> yeah i heard that too
[03:36] <rhpot1991> looks like I need to get me some $40 coupons
[03:36] <abarbaccia> ballsy
[03:37]  * foxbuntu bashes head against wall....
[03:37] <superm1> rhpot1991, so with that, there is the option that they might choose to actually just open more stations
[03:37] <superm1> but that's only if enough people complain i bet
[03:38] <rhpot1991> open via, qam?
[03:39] <superm1> yeah
[03:39] <superm1> wouldn't that just be awesome?
[03:40] <rhpot1991> you'd have a better chance getting working firewire :)
[03:40] <superm1> haha
[03:40] <rhpot1991> speaking of which ever get anywhere with that?
[03:40] <superm1> i can always dream
[03:40] <rhpot1991> also did you ever use your $40 coupons?
[03:40] <superm1> i'm gonna use them this month hopefully
[03:40] <superm1> they're on my todo list still
[03:40] <superm1> i haven't gotten any further or bothered much more with them
[03:40] <superm1> not worth it
[03:40] <rhpot1991> I have some analog tv's I have no interest in putting any money at all into
[03:43] <rhpot1991> bah cable boxes didn't work again
[03:44]  * rhpot1991 curses comcast
[03:47] <foxbuntu> superm1, did you get your commandir II mini working?
[03:48] <superm1> foxbuntu, just the same as i mentioned the other day
[03:48] <superm1> haven't messed since
[03:48]  * foxbuntu is going to load the lirc from ppa tonight
[03:48] <foxbuntu> superm1, alright
[03:48] <foxbuntu> well guys I am going to pack up and head home...be back in 45 mins to an hour
[03:48] <foxbuntu> later
[04:32] <darthanubis> I deleted channels from SD, but they still appear in my listing
[04:32] <darthanubis> I once had it where they no longer showed but I forget how to do it again
[04:35] <darthanubis> missed the help bus again
[04:35] <darthanubis> superm1, still up?
[04:37] <rhpot1991> darthanubis: check the man page I think there is an update channels option for mythfilldatabase
[04:37] <abarbaccia> mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates
[04:37] <darthanubis> sorry you think I'm that green
[04:37] <darthanubis> but that option has left me wanting
[04:39] <darthanubis> all that seemed to do was remove the data, not the channel listing for some reason
[04:39] <darthanubis> I'm running it again, like I did a month agao, and just now, and since you typed it
[04:40] <darthanubis> and the channels are still there
[04:41] <darthanubis> so now I'm going to attemtp to remove and readd the source
[04:45] <rhpot1991> delete your channels and refetch them from the source
[04:52] <darthanubis> that did the trick, thx for the reply
[04:54] <rhpot1991> np
[05:15] <darthanubis> does totem play mythtv recordings for anyone?
[05:15] <darthanubis> I've given up on it as far as that goes
[05:15] <darthanubis> it just errors data stream empty
[05:17] <darthanubis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/237801
[05:19] <abarbaccia> i had it playing at one point
[06:24] <ChrisC35> i have got my tv card recognized in mythtv setup, and scanned for channels successfully. But when i return to the front end, and select 'watch tv' , nothing happens.
[06:25] <Solarbaby> maybe your using the wrong encoder
[06:25] <Solarbaby> perhaps your tv card wont use the default jtpeg or whatever, and its actually an mpeg encoder
[06:25] <Solarbaby> try changing that
[06:29] <ChrisC35> um hmm\
[06:29] <ChrisC35> it is an hvr-1600
[06:30] <Solarbaby> I dont have that card
[06:30] <ChrisC35> i installed the beta driver http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Cx18
[06:30] <ChrisC35> it seems to recognize the card now and scans for channels etc
[06:30] <Solarbaby> right on
[06:30] <ChrisC35> i'm not sure what you mean about changing it to an mpeg encoder, or the encoder
[06:31] <ChrisC35> where is that set?
[06:31] <Solarbaby> still.. check the encoder settings..  check to make sure your using the right connection output in the software
[06:31] <Solarbaby> its all in the gui..
[06:32] <ChrisC35> i'll try to find it\
[06:32] <Solarbaby> good hunting
[06:32] <ChrisC35> dammit i hate this laptop keyboard i always hit \ beside the enter key
[06:34] <ChrisC35> where is the connection output?
[06:35] <ChrisC35> do you mean in mythtv setup? or front end settings?
[06:41] <Solarbaby> just look everywhere.. it can't take you more then 5 minutes
[06:58] <ChrisC35> i'm not really sure where you are referring to, i've looked everywhere
[07:32] <ChrisC35> i think i'll just buy a new tv tuner. what would any of you reccomend?
[10:01] <Ace2016> Does a dvi cable to link say a pc to an lcd have male connectors at both ends?
[10:27] <Jakal> yes
[10:28] <Jakal> while im here i was wondering if anyone could help me,
[10:28] <Jakal> i have mythbuntu installed fine. everything works.
[10:29] <Jakal> except when i go to the program guide the controls lock up.
[10:29] <Jakal> the live tv is still playing in the corner. the pc hasnt frozen. i just lose control
[10:30] <hads> Keyboard? Remote? Telnet?
[10:30] <Jakal> i havent tried telnet or ssh.
[10:30] <hads> So, Keyboard? Remote?
[10:31] <Jakal> but keyboard and remote stop controling mythtv
[10:31] <Jakal> well to be most precise i can control it for about 2 seconds after i go into the guide. then it locks up
[10:31] <hads> If it were me I would ssh in and run a tail -f on the frontend log to see if anything is logged when it happens.
[10:32] <Jakal> wheres it keep the frontend log?
[10:33] <hads> I believe it's in /var/log/mythtv/
[10:34] <Jakal> ah there it is
[10:36] <Jakal> ok well when i press the guide button while watching tv i get this
[10:36] <Jakal> "XMLParse::LoadTheme using /usr/share/mythtv/themes/Titivillus/ui.xml"
[10:37] <Jakal> but when it finaly freezes nothing comes up.
[10:37] <happyDaisy> Has anyone had any experience getting the Compro T750F working with V4L (as compared to the Compro T750?
[10:37] <hads> So it actually locks up? Or can you still access it via SSH
[10:37] <Jakal> ssh still works
[10:38] <hads> Run top and see what's doing what.
[10:39] <Jakal> i have no idea whats going on with top.
[10:40] <hads> At a guess you may be hitting an X driver bug or something. That's about all I've got.
[10:42] <Jakal> video driver maybe? i dunno what driver would do that
[10:42] <Jakal> im gonna see if it does it without having live tv play in the corner
[10:43] <Jakal> nope. it only does it while playing live tv in the corner
[12:54] <Ace2016> Hi all
[14:05] <Ace2016> 2008-06-16 14:05:27.987 TV Error: Failed to get recording show list
[14:05] <Ace2016> I keep getting this error when trying to run mythtv
[14:06] <Ace2016> mythfrontend worke
[14:06] <Ace2016> s
[14:06] <Ace2016> worked*
[14:36] <Ace2016> Where are the mythtv plugin options?
[14:37] <Ace2016> for example the dvd and vcd options are missing and i made nice icons for those :(
[15:24] <Ace2016> My dvd playback is messed up
[15:24] <Ace2016> http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=03oo0.png
[15:24] <Ace2016> see
[16:32] <bahadunn> how is ati support in mythbuntu?
[17:57] <Pat_from_TLLTS> hello
[17:57] <Pat_from_TLLTS> anybody get their Happauge HD-PVR 1212 working in Linux yet?
[18:26] <trillex> Hey - what would be the easiest way to make a Windows Vista share accessible to mythbuntu? My series and videos are on my main stationary.
[18:26] <trillex> Google doesn't provide much help
[18:30] <Balachmar> hi, is it possible to use lvm from the mythbuntu live cd installer?
[18:36] <Balachmar> ok, I now understand that I can also use storage groups
[18:36] <Balachmar> but how should I have the mount points when partitioning?
[21:25] <cropalato> hi, where can i get some doc that show me how can i use the myth tv to get internet tv channels? Anybody can help me?
[21:27] <tgm4883_laptop> cropalato, try using mythstream
[21:27] <cropalato> tgm4883_laptop, thanks
[21:30] <trillex> Hey - what would be the easiest way to make a Windows Vista share accessible to mythbuntu? My series and videos are on my main stationary.
[21:31] <tgm4883_laptop> trillex, mount them via cifs
[21:31] <trillex> Can you be a bit more throughout? A bit new and totally blue to this sort of thing.
[23:49] <lightdarkness> Several times now while watching TV or recordings, my screen will just go black.  The audio will keep going, and the controls still work (like exiting out of tv), but there's no output to my TV... is there anything I can do to troubleshoot the problem?


[00:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> Terrasque, whats the problem though?
[00:51] <Terrasque> Kamping_Kaiser: running the 8.04 kernel, the system blocks IO after a while, and load rise slowly to pretty high levels (30+).
[00:52] <Terrasque> Small file writes and reads seem to work, tho. If I try rebooting, it goes through the motions, and then hangs with "device or resource busy"
[00:53] <Terrasque> using the old kernel from 6.06 works fine
[00:54] <Terrasque> I made a more detailed post on the forum last time I tried to figure it out. URL : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=795144
[00:55] <Terrasque> basically, no log files shows anything wrong happening. But the system is not working well.
[00:57] <Terrasque> I'm compiling the latest stable kernel from kernel.org (<IP_ADDRESS>) but I'm not sure how the ubuntu system will handle it (wrongly configured / missing patches)
[00:58] <Terrasque> who Kamping_Kaiser
[04:21] <lukehasnoname> hey
[04:22] <Terrasque> hellu
[05:14] <xcaret08> Hi. I am trying to run Ubuntu Server on a 16 core (4 socket, quad core) machine but I only see 8 processors when I look at /proc/cpuinfo. I am running 2.6.24-19-server. Any ideas what I might need to tweak?
[05:16] <xcaret08> Oh yes, I am running 8.04.1
[07:11] <LMJ> hello xcaret08
[07:12] <LMJ> are you running a 32 or 64bits distro ?
[11:25] <Kapli> Hello, I have installed webalizer on my ubuntu server, but it's starting to annoy me with all the emails from Cron Daemon, is there any way to stop it from sending me emails everytime it runs webalizer?
[11:26] <Kapli> I tried putting >/dev/null 2>&1 after webalizer in my crontab but it didn't have any effect
[13:47] <backenfutter> hey folks, hopefully someone in here can help me: atm I'm forced to use umts via pcmcia (which works fine) now I set up my laptop to act as NAT for the rest of the LAN... for that, I got myself a neat script from ubuntuusers.de which manipulates iptables however, it ain't working as it should... It seems I can resolve hostnames by installing bind9 but I can't ping google.de from other PCs in the LAN... can someone help please?
[13:48] <backenfutter> here's the script I'm using: http://pastebin.com/d3aef6e00
[13:49] <backenfutter> funny is, it did work yesterday and the day before, but whenever I reboot either PC I run into problems ressting everything
[13:49] <backenfutter> restting*
[13:49] <backenfutter> argh
[13:49] <backenfutter> resetting*
[13:50] <backenfutter> here are my last few lines of dmesg:
[13:50] <backenfutter> [ 2075.381187] tg3: eth0: Link is up at 100 Mbps, full duplex.
[13:50] <backenfutter> [ 2075.381196] tg3: eth0: Flow control is on for TX and on for RX.
[13:50] <backenfutter> [ 2075.384358] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready
[13:50] <backenfutter> [ 2086.215907] eth0: no IPv6 routers present
[13:50] <alex^> ill read through the code 2mins
[13:51] <backenfutter> thx
[13:51] <backenfutter> I gotta do some errands, so I'll be back in like 20 minutes or so...
[13:52] <alex^> can the local laptop resolve via it s local bind?
[13:53] <alex^> the scripts looks nice
[13:57] <backenfutter> alex^, yes, the laptop is entirely online
[13:57] <backenfutter> the pc can resolve but cant ping
[13:58] <backenfutter> I gotta run, I'll brb
[14:13] <alex^> no idea sorry backenfutter
[14:13] <alex^> you need to do morer iptables config testing
[14:13] <alex^> did you say pingnig was workign and now its now?
[14:13] <alex^> not*
[14:57] <proppy> oy
[16:26] <alex^> http://pastebin.com/m57e5fbd5
[16:26] <alex^> an anyone tell me why i would be getting a seg fault from starting mysqld on a xen kernel: http://pastebin.com/m57e5fbd5
[16:26] <alex^> how can i debug?
[16:37] <Faust-C> ive installed ubuntu server in vbox but get the 'Kernel doesnt support CPU' error
[16:38] <Faust-C> ive found the solution but when i boot into rescue mode i cant seem to get inet
[16:38] <Faust-C> w/ that being said i cant perform the solution to this problem, has anyone had this issue before ?
[17:55] <foolano> sommer: ping
[21:18] <alex^> for some reason whenever i reboot my ubuntu 8.04 box, the nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf always change to some other ones that dont work, how can i force my settings so that they dont change after a reboot?
[21:22] <alex^> got it
[21:30] <KurtKraut> I'm trying to run a proxy server in my LAN but all programs I've tried I get the output 'Proxy Resufed Connection' but nmap detects the proxy running. Any clue ?
[21:36] <foolano> KurtKraut: your proxy ACLs must allow connections from your LAN
[21:37] <KurtKraut> foolano, I belive I'm configuring this properly. And nmap saying the proxy port is open for me is an evidence that my current IP address is allowed to access the proxy server
[21:38] <foolano> KurtKraut: nope, the fact that the proxy port is open doesn't mean that its configuration acutally allows you to use it
[21:38] <foolano> KurtKraut: what proxy are you using?
[21:39] <KurtKraut> foolano, tinyproxy, ffproxy, polipo... all of them with the same behaviour
[21:39] <backenfutter> alex^, just wanna let you know, that I solved the NAT problem... a simple route add default gw was missing ;)
[21:39] <KurtKraut> anyone would recommend me a non-caching proxy ?
[21:40] <foolano> KurtKraut:  i've only used squid as a proxy server, and by default  it only allows connections from localhost
[21:45] <KurtKraut> foolano, in your experience, besides squid's config file anything must be changed in ubuntu server, like /etc/hosts.allow ?
[21:45] <foolano> KurtKraut: just squid.conf
[22:09] <Gilnim> hi
[22:10] <Gilnim> howto autostart a program like: ./exampleprogram
[22:10] <KurtKraut> How can I put a script to be runned on boot ?
[22:10] <Gilnim> lol
[22:10] <KurtKraut> Gilnim, :P
[22:12] <Gilnim> no answer :( ;) KurtKraut
[22:13] <Yahoo__> night all
[22:14] <Yahoo__> someone ever succesfully used a Fasttrak TX2300 raid card here?
[22:15] <KurtKraut> Gilnim, just add a call to the script in /etc/rc.local file


[01:00] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: It was really good timing to remove ladish and get raysession in with the python 2 removal.
[01:13] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I am not sure if the Ardour problem is with waf or with the startup script.
[01:13] <OvenWerks> startup seems to be bash
[01:14] <OvenWerks> I just remember someone talking about it
[01:14] <OvenWerks> Arch if I recall correctly
[01:16] <OvenWerks> https://tracker.ardour.org/view.php?id=7796
[01:16] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: ^^
[01:18] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Ardour isn't even affected per https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/transitions/html/python2-rm.html
[01:20] <OvenWerks> a2jmidid
[01:21] <Eickmeyer> Who develops that?
[01:25] <OvenWerks> last copyright is 2008
[01:27] <OvenWerks> the Downloaded from url (http://home.gna.org/a2jmidid/) shows: The requested URL /a2jmidid/ was not found on this server.
[01:28] <OvenWerks> It seems to have been moved to https://repo.or.cz/a2jmidid.git
[01:30] <Eickmeyer> Well, that's a situation where it needs to be ported.
[01:33] <OvenWerks> The a2j code was added into jackd1 but not jackd2 last I heard
[01:33] <OvenWerks> (the same can be said for zita-ajbridge)
[01:35] <OvenWerks> Filipe's plan, to the best of my knowledge, was to bring jackd2 to the point of compatablilty with jackd1 and then retire jackd1
[01:36] <OvenWerks> However, Filipe is a busy man. There has not been a kxstudio iso release for 5 years or so (last was based on 14.04) and he is back working with MOD
[01:51] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I know. :/
[01:52] <OvenWerks> When are they killing pythin 2? before or after the LTS?
[01:53] <Eickmeyer> I'm not 100% sure.
[01:54] <Eickmeyer> Looks like before the LTS: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Debian-Python-2-Process
[01:56] <Eickmeyer> I don't think Filipe is willing to let that functionality disappear.
[01:57] <OvenWerks> is there a python 4 to worry about
[01:57] <Eickmeyer> If it's in development, it hasn't been released.
[01:57] <OvenWerks> good
[05:07] <OvenWerks> yuck! I get a whole pile of lines with Rates: for my internal (PCH) card... it appears some of them are the standard HAD rates that the hda bus will handle and the others are what the device actually handles :P
[05:08] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: when you have a chance, can you post the url for: cat /proc/asound/PCH/codec#0 |pastebinit
[14:26] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: No such file or directory
[14:26] <Eickmeyer> (I don't have PCH)
[14:28] <Eickmeyer> This is ls /proc/asound https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dgQj8THffh/
 *salts @Eickmeyer* you do read the ubuntu-devel lists right?
[14:41] <Eickmeyer> teward: I did not. I'll check my spam folder.
[14:42] <Eickmeyer> @teward001: Are you talking about vorlon's post?
 re: 32bit libs and such, mostly which packages need to be supported for things in the long term for 20.04
 yep
 since IIRC you said some 32bit things were still needed for things in Studio I was wondering if you put any input in yet 😛
[14:44] <Eickmeyer> @teward001: Yeah, the ones I was concerned with are covered in that list. (carla/wine)
 cool
[14:58] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: maybe ls /proc/asound/card*/ though I expect cat /proc/asound/Generic/codec#0 might work... unless you have an ac97
[14:58] <OvenWerks> hmm, I may have to learn some other way of dealing with things.
[14:58] <Eickmeyer> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/V3JGRVTbJv/
[14:58] <Eickmeyer> (codec#0)
[15:02] <OvenWerks> Thats an HDA style file
[15:10] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: you may note that the "Default PCM" has 44k1 48k 96k and 192k
[15:11] <OvenWerks> what is interesting is that none of your actual devices seem to support that list.
[15:11] <Eickmeyer> Yeah. I don't have my interface hooked-up right now.
[15:12] <OvenWerks> You analog devices (in and out) seem only to support 44k1 and 48k
[15:12] <Eickmeyer> That would be correct, afaik.
[15:12] <OvenWerks>  while your digital device suports 44100 48000 88200 96000 192000
[15:13] <OvenWerks> nope Im wrong, your inputs do support the default 44100 48000 96000 192000
[15:13] <OvenWerks>  so you can record at a higher SR that playback
[15:37] <Eickmeyer> Interesting. TIL
[15:37] <Eickmeyer> (today I learned)
[15:44] <OvenWerks> I can't see that being a feature, so it must be cheaper (on board preamps being some of the worst)
[15:46]  * OvenWerks is temped to A) hack zita-ajbridge to do the selecting B) only look for 44k1 and 48k and lower in the list
[15:47] <OvenWerks> except A&H's new mixer is 96k only :P
[15:48] <OvenWerks> (a cost saving deal as they run their eq at 96000 I am sure)
[15:52] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: thinking out loud here... I think I will blacklist 88k2 as one of the ones generally not supported. I think I can get away with black listing anything higher than 96k as well.
[15:53] <OvenWerks> I know of devices that are 44k1 only, 32k and below, 48k only and 96k only
[15:54] <OvenWerks> however, all hda (internal) devices support at least 48k
[15:55] <OvenWerks> all other weird rate devices seem to be USB.
[15:57] <OvenWerks> I also know that the 48k only HDA devices I know about will open at 44k1  (laptop mics)
[15:59] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I think I will set 48k for anything not USB that zita-ajbridge is using.
[16:00] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: The jack master has feedback that it has not started though not why :)  So the user can fiddle with that rate to their hearts content
[16:01] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: USB devices always seem to make a proper rates list, so use the closest available rate for that.
[16:02] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: does that make sense?
[16:02] <Eickmeyer> Yes, totally.
[16:03] <OvenWerks> I think SRC would take away any advantage of using a higher rate than 48k in any case
[19:44] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: log rotate should wait for next cycle I think.
[19:45] <Eickmeyer> Ok, that's fair.
[20:15] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: new controls is building for auto builds
[20:15] <Eickmeyer> Ok
[21:47] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: It builds, need release and backport?
[21:52] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: ok I downloaed it from autobuilds and installed and it seems to work for me so I guess it is releaseable.
[21:52] <Eickmeyer> Ok. I
[21:52] <Eickmeyer> I'll go ahead and push it to Eoan and backports.
[22:43] <OvenWerks> Thank you
[22:49] <OvenWerks> with regards to the "setting values for dummy and FW at startup" thing. I did check and autojack does not send those. I can only assume that once they have been set at any time (as I did while testing) the jack log shows reloading from the config file at each startup.
[22:51] <OvenWerks> Yup, they are all in there.


[00:16] <mocknock> Ok so i have a question regarding the core system and where it stands when it comes to utilizing the General Processing of GPU? Is OpenCL being used in the Ubuntu Touch code or will the option be provided in SDK? Nexus 10, Galaxy S4 and Note 3 DOES support OpenCL and as it stands, there are more devices to come that are/will use it.