[00:21] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1028 ubuntu/ (build/pkg-lists/netboot/arm/versatile.cfg debian/changelog):
[00:21] <CIA-3> debian-installer: Apparently nic-modules no longer exists on versatile, presumably
[00:21] <CIA-3> debian-installer: built-in. Make it optional.
[00:25] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1029 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu12
[00:58] <TheMuso> cjwatson: I am debugging ubiquity/accessibility, and have come to the realization that I'll likely have to do something console-kitish to get audio permissions right. I haven't 100% confirmed this yet, but its looking likely. What do I need to call console-kit wise to make this happen?
[00:58] <cjwatson> probably register a consolekit session at login
[00:58] <TheMuso> this is in only-ubiquity mode
[00:58] <TheMuso> ok
[00:58] <cjwatson> you could have a look at the openssh diff between Debian and Ubuntu
[00:59] <cjwatson> though it's more complicated than you'd want
[00:59] <TheMuso> I was thinking of looking at that actually.
[00:59] <cjwatson> maybe ck-launch-session
[00:59] <TheMuso> Ok that gives me a starting point at least.
[00:59] <TheMuso> Thanks.
[00:59] <cjwatson> note that that's a wrapper, you'd run an entire subprocess under it
[01:00] <cjwatson> alternatively you can send dbus messages to register the session
[01:00] <TheMuso> Ok.
[01:00] <cjwatson> your diagnosis is almost certainly right; consolekit is one thing ubiquity-dm doesn't do at the moment and probably needs to
[01:00] <cjwatson> oem-config-dm likewise
[01:00] <TheMuso> Right.
[01:08] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1030 ubuntu/ (build/config/armel.cfg debian/changelog):
[01:08] <CIA-3> debian-installer: Disable armel ads subarchitecture. We don't have a kernel for it (not
[01:08] <CIA-3> debian-installer: that Debian does either, but I don't want to support udev-less builds).
[01:20] <CIA-3> debian-installer: cjwatson * r1031 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20081029ubuntu13
[07:29] <NCommander> cjwatson, so, I looked at input modules, which only consists of usbhid and usbkbd, things not normally used on an ARM NAS ...
[07:40] <lool> cjwatson: Cool it seems you got debian-installer to build!
[07:41] <lool> NCommander: Did you see my qcontrol upload?
[07:41] <NCommander> No, I didn't.
[07:41]  * NCommander is not subscribed to changes
[07:41] <lool> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qcontrol/+bug/322311
[07:41] <NCommander> So we build the USB modules directly into the kernel?
[07:41] <lool> Erf I have a solid polygon drawn on my desktop
[07:42] <NCommander> lool, do you have an intel video card?
[07:42] <lool> I do
[07:42] <NCommander> Ugh
[07:42] <NCommander> Ok, I can confirm that bug
[07:42]  * NCommander had that happen to me
[10:49] <cjwatson> NCommander: input-modules> its contents vary; it is not limited to those modules
[10:49] <cjwatson> NCommander: for example, Debian's input-modules-2.6.26-1-orion5x-di_1.32_armel.udeb contains:
[10:49] <cjwatson> -rw-r--r-- root/root     14445 2009-01-12 10:23 ./lib/modules/2.6.26-1-orion5x/kernel/drivers/input/evdev.ko
[10:50] <cjwatson> -rw-r--r-- root/root      6246 2009-01-12 10:23 ./lib/modules/2.6.26-1-orion5x/kernel/drivers/input/keyboard/gpio_keys.ko
[10:50] <cjwatson> the package description just says "Support for various input methods" and that's about as specific as it gets
[10:51] <cjwatson> and indeed, as lool observed, gpio_keys is the one that qcontrol actually wants
[13:07] <CIA-3> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r604 ubuntu/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
[13:07] <CIA-3> choose-mirror: Switch default mirror for armel and lpia to
[13:07] <CIA-3> choose-mirror: ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/.
[13:09] <CIA-3> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r605 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.27ubuntu2
[13:20] <CIA-3> apt-setup: cjwatson * r160 ubuntu/ (16 files in 8 dirs): Add Release files for jaunty.
[13:52] <CIA-3> base-installer: cjwatson * r342 ubuntu/ (136 files in 12 dirs): merge from Debian 1.98
[13:57] <DogWater> cjwatson: did you get a chance to look at the hd partitioning bug?
[14:01] <cjwatson> which partitioning bug?
[14:01] <cjwatson> sorry I deal with a lot of bugs
[14:01] <cjwatson> (also on the phone right now)
[14:02] <DogWater> 321967
[14:15] <DogWater> cjwatson: alternative, if there is some preseed early_command string " " I can run to blow away the file systems, that would work too
[14:16] <cjwatson> I have not yet investigated that, sorry, but will
[14:16] <DogWater> so that the partitioner doesn't see that there is a LVM spanned onto two or more physical disks, etc. like parted or fdisk or something..
[14:16] <DogWater> thanks man
[14:24] <DogWater> hrm, so how can I have the mirror files for 8.10-i386/amd64 8.04i386,7.10i386 but not 8.04amd64 lol
[14:24] <DogWater> jeez
[14:24] <DogWater> gotta love it
[14:28] <DogWater> I wonder how that is even possible
[14:28] <DogWater> maybe i have a bad initrd for 8.04amd64
[14:43] <CIA-3> base-installer: cjwatson * r343 ubuntu/kernel/tests/powerpc/rs64-iv.test: adjust powerpc/rs64-iv.test for Ubuntu kernels
[14:47] <CIA-3> base-installer: cjwatson * r344 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog kernel/i386.sh): merge CentaurHauls fixes from trunk
[14:53] <CIA-3> base-installer: cjwatson * r345 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog kernel/tests/i386/via-c7-Esther.test): merge r1687 from trunk (CentaurHauls test fixes)
[15:28] <CarlFK> d-i passwd/user-password-crypted password [MD5 hash]
[15:28] <CarlFK> is that the output of mkpasswd ?
[15:29] <CIA-3> base-installer: cjwatson * r346 ubuntu/kernel/ (i386.sh tests/i386/oqo1.test): Transmeta should be fine with 586, just not 686
[15:30] <cjwatson> CarlFK: mkpasswd -m md5, yes
[15:31] <CarlFK> thanks
[15:31] <cjwatson> though actually I have a feeling that it should be sha-512 in jaunty
[15:55] <DogWater> cjwatson: howdy, does ubuntu have the 'auto' function in the installer like debian?
[15:58] <cjwatson> not yet, no
[15:59] <cjwatson> I have been meaning to sort out integrating it properly
[15:59] <cjwatson> it's not trivial since we've switched to console-setup in advance of Debian
[16:03] <DogWater> cjwatson: ah, it doesnt really seem to work anyway ;-)
[16:03] <DogWater> cjwatson at least i havent been able to get it to work
[16:04] <DogWater> it seems to simply ignore the line
[16:04] <DogWater> auto=whatever
[16:04] <DogWater> so its probably better
[16:04] <DogWater> too bad they dont have kickstart :D
[16:13] <DogWater> cjwatson: wait, is the auto command only available in 5? as far as you know? (sorry i know this has nothing to do with ubuntu)
[16:13] <cjwatson> yes
[16:13] <DogWater> ah jeesus
[16:14] <DogWater> i was trying to use it in etch
[16:14] <cjwatson> though I had to think for a moment for what "5" represented
[16:14] <DogWater> the documentation isnt really clear
[16:14] <cjwatson> Debian people tend to think in terms of codenames :)
[16:14] <cjwatson> hmm, well let me check
[16:14] <DogWater> right, sorry
[16:14] <DogWater> i guess i'll have to drop my preseed into their initrd
[16:14] <DogWater> hate dealing with cpio
[16:14] <DogWater> curses
[16:14] <cjwatson> hmm, apparently I am wrong
[16:14] <cjwatson> http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apbs02.html.en#preseed-auto mentions it
[16:15] <cjwatson> it may be that it has fewer features in some way - I don't really know
[16:15] <DogWater> hm, i wish they had like a server channel or something the folks in #debian dont seem to know much about preseed, etc
[16:16] <cjwatson> #debian-boot is the relevant *developer* channel but do try to investigate things as much as you can for yourself before asking anything there
[16:22] <CarlFK> cjwatson: alt installer, got error, hit Alt-F2, see "Press Enter for BB" hit enter, see "Busy Box v1.10.2...." but never get a prompt.  typing is echoed to the screen, but nothing happens when I hit enter
[16:30] <cjwatson> CarlFK: no, I won't help if you show up on IRC, make a one-line bug report, and leave.
[16:38] <DogWater> oh the docs were using the wrong syntax, thats why it didnt work, ha ha
[16:52] <DogWater> woo got it to work almost! ;D
[18:09] <CIA-3> oem-config: cjwatson * r587 trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
[18:09] <CIA-3> oem-config: Move most debconf-communicator handling into BaseFrontend, to make it
[18:09] <CIA-3> oem-config: easier to fetch configuration from debconf there.
[18:22] <CIA-3> oem-config: cjwatson * r588 trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Fetch the list of steps to be displayed from debconf (oem-config/steps).
[19:06] <DogWater> cjwatson: thank you for working so hard on kickstart, after dealing with d-i today im ready to hang myself, in the docs it says to specify the mirror it is d-i mirror/http/hostname but its really d-i mirror/http/mirror string wth
[19:09] <cjwatson> err, that means something different
[19:09] <cjwatson> I think you forgot to say 'd-i mirror/country string manual'
[19:10] <cjwatson> if you say that then it *is* mirror/http/hostname; mirror/http/mirror is for interactive use and probably not what you want
[19:11] <cjwatson> (mirror/http/mirror represents the prefilled list of plausible mirrors that you get in expert mode; it's in theory preseedable but not really intended for that)
[19:17] <DogWater> cjwatson: i put 'US' in for d-i mirror/country string manual why would anyone put 'manual' for that, thats not exactly intuitive
[19:17] <cjwatson> because it's what's documented in the installation guide for when you're choosing your hostname manually?
[19:17] <cjwatson> you *really* need to follow the installation guide when preseeding; you can't guess, I'm afraid
[19:18] <DogWater> heh, i actually went from the example that is linked from the manual
[19:18] <cjwatson> I'm looking at the source from which the example file is generated at the moment
[19:18] <cjwatson> d-i mirror/country string manual
[19:18] <cjwatson> d-i mirror/http/hostname string &archive-mirror;
[19:18] <cjwatson> d-i mirror/http/directory string /ubuntu
[19:18] <cjwatson> d-i mirror/http/proxy string
[19:18] <cjwatson> ("&archive-mirror;" gets substituted along the way)
[19:20] <DogWater> http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/example-preseed.txt note the : d-i mirror/country string enter information manually
[19:20] <DogWater> i assumed it was indicating that i needed to replace 'enter information manually' with an actual string
[19:20] <cjwatson> please don't use the Debian guide for Ubuntu installations
[19:21] <cjwatson> the Ubuntu guide is on help.ubuntu.com
[19:21] <DogWater> I'm not thats why i thanked you for ubuntu's kickstart system now that i've moved along to working on debian
[19:21] <cjwatson> oh
[19:21] <cjwatson> well, in etch that string was literally "enter information manually" - it usually says if you need to fill something in
[19:21] <cjwatson> (says in a different way, that is)
[19:22] <cjwatson> in lenny and in recent Ubuntu releases I changed it to just "manual" because the spaces were inconvenient for other reasons
[19:22] <cjwatson> but just type what it says - doesn't pay to be clever ;-)
[19:22] <DogWater> so i should change country to enter information manually remove mirror and add back hostname?
[19:22] <DogWater> yarr
[19:22] <cjwatson> yes
[19:23] <DogWater> your awesome 'confirm removal of LVM' thing doesnt seem to work in their system either, at least not yet, im going to have to use debconf to figure out how to select it probably
[19:23] <cjwatson> it was different in etch; the manual documents it
[19:23] <cjwatson> though I think the semantics might have been slightly different
[19:23] <cjwatson> d-i partman-auto/purge_lvm_from_device boolean true
[19:24] <cjwatson> d-i partman-lvm/confirm boolean true
[19:24] <DogWater> yea  i left those in the example
[19:24] <DogWater> still asks, lol
[19:24] <cjwatson> oh well, can't help you :)
[19:24] <DogWater> its cool i'll just use the debconf-get thing to figure it out like i did the http/mirror thing
[19:25] <cjwatson> or DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer on the kernel command line, and look at tty4 to see what question it's asking with INPUT
[19:25] <DogWater> i can prolly use cdebconf/questions.dat to find it also
[19:26] <DogWater> ah, i put it at level 5
[19:26] <DogWater> i'll try that first as it seems to probably be faster
[19:26] <cjwatson> "developer" is equivalent to 5, except that it works for debconf in the installed system too
[19:26] <cjwatson> if you already have DEBCONF_DEBUG=5, then just look at tty4
[19:26] <DogWater> oh, oddly enough '5' doesnt make it do much of anything in tty4
[19:27] <cjwatson> are you sure you typed it correctly? capitalisation is important
[19:27] <DogWater> yes, i copied/pasted it from the manual
[19:28] <cjwatson> you might need to look at the end of /var/log/syslog in case it scrolled off tty4
[19:28] <DogWater> with as much trouble as i've had with deb/ub automation im assuming fbsd is going to suck the worst
[19:29] <DogWater> with 7 i had to make my own 70mb netboot image ;-)
[19:29] <DogWater> so that should be fun
[19:33] <DogWater> cjwatson: anyway the last thing it says is menu item partman-base selected
[19:33] <DogWater> then a bunch of just random fs debug information
[19:35] <DogWater> anyway i'll just look in questions and see if i can find anything
[19:35] <DogWater> thanks for all the help man
[21:28] <CIA-3> base-installer: cjwatson * r347 ubuntu/kernel/i386.sh: all K7 systems should be able to cope with at least 586
[21:30] <CIA-3> base-installer: cjwatson * r348 ubuntu/kernel/tests/i386/ (amd-k7-old.test pentium-4M-bigmem.test): adjust more new tests for Ubuntu kernels
[21:32] <CIA-3> base-installer: cjwatson * r349 ubuntu/kernel/tests/i386/via-c7-Esther.test: Esther CPUs can cope with 686-ish images like server and xen
[21:35] <CIA-3> base-installer: cjwatson * r350 ubuntu/kernel/tests/i386/ (6 files): 686 -> 686-may-bigmem for PAE-capable CPUs
[22:05] <CIA-3> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r606 ubuntu/debian/ (changelog control):
[22:05] <CIA-3> choose-mirror: Fix build-dependencies broken in merge of 2.27, including restoring the
[22:05] <CIA-3> choose-mirror: dependency on isoquery so that we can build a proper list of countries
[22:05] <CIA-3> choose-mirror: (LP: #321225).
[22:08] <CIA-3> choose-mirror: cjwatson * r607 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.27ubuntu3
[22:18] <CIA-3> base-installer: cjwatson * r351 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.98ubuntu1


[02:21] <nhaines> I have another 3 hours of driving ahead of me, minimum. So I'll be watching my backscroll for the meeting recap tonight!
[02:56] <ianorlin> ok meeting in 5 minutes
[03:00] <ianorlin> #startmeeting
[03:00] <darthrobot> Meeting started Mon Nov 16 03:00:49 2015 UTC.  The chair is ianorlin. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[03:01] <ianorlin> who is here for this meeting ?
[03:01] <DonkeyHotei> o/
[03:04] <ianorlin> the agenda this week is empty https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings
[03:04] <darthrobot> Title: [CaliforniaTeam/Meetings - Ubuntu Wiki]
[03:04] <ianorlin> #topic upcoming events
[03:05] <ianorlin> we have scale and ubucon coming up in January and nominations for team leaders for next year
[03:05] <DonkeyHotei> are nominations open?
[03:07] <ianorlin> it says they are open
[03:07] <ianorlin> today but I am not sure nominating someone not here we would need to get whether they accept or not
[03:07] <DonkeyHotei> you're here, so you could be nominated, no?
[03:08] <ianorlin> yes
[03:08] <DonkeyHotei> then i'd like to nominate you for a 2nd term
[03:09] <ianorlin> I accept
[03:10] <DonkeyHotei> do we have any events prior to scale?
[03:11] <ianorlin> maybe some ubuntu hours I am not sure of
[03:13] <ianorlin> don't know of any annouced
[03:13] <ianorlin> hosting an ubuntu hour would be nice if someone want to do that
[03:14] <DonkeyHotei> i think most are regularly scheduled
[03:14] <ianorlin> yes I think there is one in Passdena and then there are the bay area ones which I can't bring to mind right now
[03:15] <DonkeyHotei> they should be on the wiki
[03:16] <ianorlin> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2992-ubuntu-hour-berkeley/ is the next event I see
[03:16] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu Hour Berkeley | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[03:17] <ianorlin> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2997-ubuntu-hour-berkeley/ is the other one after the next meeting and then it is to the new year
[03:17] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu Hour Berkeley | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[03:18] <ianorlin> #topic any other business
[03:19] <DonkeyHotei> which airport serves scale now?
[03:20] <ianorlin> I don't ever take airplanes so I am not sure
[03:21] <DonkeyHotei> if i attend, i would not be flying in, but the question was posed by someone who needs to be back in norcal the following day
[03:24] <ianorlin> I don't think there is only one but passadena is a bit far from LAX
[03:24] <ianorlin> I know there is also an airport in Burbank that airlines fly to
[03:25] <ianorlin> I don't know traffic well on those connecting routes east when traveling north and south because I do not usually head that way
[03:25] <DonkeyHotei> i was assuming there is an official scale airport much like there is an official scale hotel
[03:25] <ianorlin> The directoins on there give freeways mostly
[03:32] <ianorlin> richard gaskin will know better so might be better to ask on mailing list
[03:34] <ianorlin> and probalby george mulak as well
[03:36] <ianorlin> I don't have anything more on this subject
[03:36] <ianorlin> anything else to add
[03:41] <ianorlin> #endmeeting
[03:41] <darthrobot> Meeting ended Mon Nov 16 03:41:37 2015 UTC.
[03:41] <darthrobot> Minutes:        http://ihas.5cat.com/~darthrobot/ubuntu-us-ca/2015/ubuntu-us-ca.2015-11-16-03.00.moin.txt
[06:23] <mobilephonepi> Hello.  Is anyone interested in trading hardware?
[06:26] <mobilephonepi> I have some mobile phones and a tablet, but I want to see if I can trade them for a hard drive enclosure and software.
[06:35] <DonkeyHotei> entirely possible, but attendance in the channel is spotty atm


[12:04] <erUSUL> any op of #ubuntu awake???
[12:06] <Gary> monitoring erUSUL
[12:06] <erUSUL> Gary: so you saw Hacktalk??
[12:06] <Gary> yep
[12:06] <erUSUL> Gary: ok
[18:16] <LjL> no0tic: should probably update https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[18:18] <no0tic> LjL, I'm taking a look
[18:19] <no0tic> LjL, it doesn't work
[18:19] <no0tic> LjL, it doesn't load
[18:20] <LjL> no0tic: fix your smoke signals
[18:21] <no0tic> pidgeons are tired
[18:22] <LjL> no0tic: and spring is almost coming, they might get engaged in non-data-transmission activities


[06:46] <Saviq> Oh.
[06:46] <Saviq> > /usr/share/libdrm/amdgpu.ids: Permission denied
[06:48] <Saviq> More imporantly.
[06:48] <Saviq> > apparmor="DENIED" operation="open" profile="snap.mir-test-tools.performance-test" name="/usr/share/libdrm/amdgpu.ids" pid=2220 comm="mir_demo_server" requested_mask="r" denied_mask="r" fsuid=1000 ouid=0
[16:15] -GitHub[m]:#mir-server- **[MirServer/mir]** Saviq added bug to [issue #2837](https://github.com/MirServer/mir/issues/2837): Keyboard needs to be reconnected on aarch64 to work


[00:20] <lifeless> wgrant: got a url to a test failure ?
[00:21] <wgrant> https://lpbuildbot.canonical.com/builders/lucid_lp/builds/1484/steps/shell_6/logs/summary https://lpbuildbot.canonical.com/builders/lucid_db_lp/builds/1446/steps/shell_6/logs/summary
[00:22] <wgrant> I first saw it in an ec2 run against devel r14174
[00:22] <lifeless> it looks like a regression
[00:22] <wgrant> In an untested JS-only branch of mine
[00:22] <lifeless> the (158, 160, 'SQL-main-slave', 'SELECT Product.answers_usage, Product.blueprints_usage, Product.owner, Product.active, Product.autoupdate, Product.bug_reported_acknowledgement, Product.bug_reporting_guidelines, Product.bug_supervisor, Product.bugtracker, Product.date_next_suggest_packaging, Product.datecreated, Product.description, Product.development_focus, Product.displayname, Product.downloadurl, Product.driver, Product.enable_bug_expiration,
[00:22] <wgrant> But it is not reproducible locally, and a second ec2 run worked.
[00:22] <wgrant> Yes.
[00:22] <lifeless> bah
[00:22] <lifeless> (244, 244, 'SQL-main-slave', 'SELECT Product.answers_usage, Product.blueprints_usage, Product.owner, Product.active, Product.autoupdate, Product.bug_reported_acknowledgement, Product.bug_reporting_guidelines, Product.bug_supervisor, Product.bugtracker, Product.date_next_suggest_packaging, Product.datecreated, Product.description, Product.development_focus, Product.displayname, Product.downloadurl, Product.driver, Product.enable_bug_expiration, Prod
[00:23] <wgrant> That's clearly the regression.
[00:23] <wgrant> I don't see how, though.
[00:23] <lifeless> could be storm cache exhaustion ?
[00:23] <lifeless> have you seen it happen locally?
[00:23] <wgrant> No.
[00:23] <wgrant> Never locally.
[00:23] <wgrant> Locally it's way below the threshold.
[00:24] <wgrant> By like 20
[00:24] <wgrant> I had to reduce the limit to 20 or 30 or so to get it to fail locally.
[00:24] <lifeless> that where X LIMIT 1 is odd
[00:25] <lifeless> I have to pop out for a bit; doing a test run that generates backtraces on every query into the timeline would probably let this get diagnosed
[00:26] <wgrant> Would it?
[00:26] <wgrant> The revision that added the test speaks of testing for preloading of Product and Distribution.
[00:27] <wgrant> Which suggests that there is preloading broken, not that there are extra product lookups.
[00:29] <lifeless> that trace clearly shows the product being loaded twice
[00:29] <lifeless> see the query starting at 159
[00:30] <lifeless> 'product.id IN (...., 49, ....)'
[00:30] <lifeless> and then the qyery at 244
[00:30] <lifeless> 'product.id = 49 LIMIT 1'
[00:30] <lifeless> same product
[00:30] <lifeless> same store
[00:32] <lifeless> wgrant: ^ I'm out for a bit sorry, but that smells like a storm cache issue to me; I think we should disable the silly size limits
[00:33] <wgrant> Oh, so it does.
[00:34] <wgrant> lifeless: You mean the custom dev limit of 100?
[00:34] <wgrant> Whereas on prod it's 10000?
[00:51]  * wgrant fixes qa-tagger to not use edge.
[01:11] <lifeless> wgrant: yes
[01:11] <lifeless> wgrant: dev should match prod, because devs want to reproduce behaviour on prod
[01:11] <lifeless> separately, given we toss the entire cache away per request, we should stop using a fancy cache and just use a dict
[01:11] <wgrant> lifeless: I imagine the motivation is similar to the batch size of 8.
[01:12] <lifeless> batch size of 8 makes more sense
[01:12] <lifeless> (but still is an issue for e.g. screen layout testing
[01:12] <wgrant> Right.
[01:12] <lifeless> anyhow, focus - the cache size is I think the issue here
[01:12] <wgrant> So, fixing the 100 to 10000 is a matter of deleting a line from the dev config.
[01:13] <wgrant> But do we want to identify the regression?
[01:13] <lifeless> wow, wiredoo, wow
[01:13] <lifeless> wgrant: well, if it is the cache, its not a regression
[01:14] <lifeless> wgrant: prod won't be late-evaluating
[01:14] <wgrant> Indeed, but something extra is getting into the cache.
[01:14] <lifeless> test threads don't dump the cache
[01:16] <lifeless> publication.py like 759
[01:16] <lifeless> is the loop
[01:16] <lifeless> and this is the kicker:
[01:16] <lifeless>             if thread_name != 'MainThread' or name.endswith('-slave'):
[01:16] <lifeless>                 store.reset()
[01:16] <lifeless> not thread 0 or any slave, reset
[01:17] <wgrant> Heh
[01:17] <lifeless> and yes, thats production code
[01:17] <lifeless> so, interestingly, this shold be getting dumped IFF the test runs through publication
[01:17] <lifeless> ah, happens on endRequest, not begin
[01:17] <mwhudson> that code did my head in the other week
[01:18] <lifeless> mwhudson: of course, it exists to blow your mind
[01:18] <lifeless> in fact, it should reset test stores
[01:19] <lifeless> it only doesn't because the test fallout would be ginormous
[01:33] <lifeless> aieee
[01:33] <lifeless> http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Loose_indexscan
[01:34] <wgrant> Hah
[06:07] <jtv> StevenK: did you come up with the term “blamer” in the soyuz notification module?  I'm trying to make sense of it but not doing very well.
[06:11] <wgrant> jtv: I believe it's more of the blamee.
[06:11] <wgrant> The uploader or the copier, in general.
[06:14] <jtv> Yes, I've been thinking it must be the blamee.  The code seems to assume pretty strongly that it's the signer.
[06:16] <jtv> My clever scheme is to figure out whether a native English speaker came up with it.  If yes, I'm more willing to assume that there's a reason that I'm not seeing.
[06:16] <wgrant> StevenK implemented it, but I don't recall who came up with it.
[06:16] <wgrant> 'twasn'
[06:16] <jtv> I'm separating the "figure out whom to email" code from the "compose and send" code.  There's only a few call sites, but one of them is in the package copier which I think is a very different use case.
[06:16] <wgrant> t me.
[06:17] <wgrant> The package copier is meant to use the person who requested the copy as the blamer.
[06:17] <wgrant> I believe they receive notifications of the copy, and are used as the sender for the announcement message.
[06:18] <jtv> Ironically, the maintainer and the person credited with the latest change are emailed _if_ the caller passes a "blamer."
[06:18] <wgrant> That may be related to autosyncs.
[06:18] <jtv> I'd sort of expect that to happen if you _don't_ pass one, as a fallback.
[06:18] <wgrant> Which are unsigned, and should email nobody.
[06:21] <jtv> Now, who should be notified in the case of a copy?
[06:21] <wgrant> The person who requested it and an undefined set of other people.
[06:21] <jtv> Just the person requesting it?
[06:21] <wgrant> Except in the case of autosyncs, in which case an undefined set of people.
[06:21] <jtv> I am asking you to help define that set.
[06:22] <wgrant> That's one of the great mysteries of the universe, which we've never had a good answer to :/ But probably nobody, in the general case.
[06:22] <wgrant> Build notifications are even less well defined :/
 That's one of the great mysteries of the universe, <== the answer is 42. just sayin.
[06:25] <jtv> Then how about we notify only the requester, then sit back and see who else wants to be in the loop?
[06:26] <wgrant> Well, for one thing we don't know the requester for build notifications.
[06:26] <wgrant> Which I believe are the problem here.
[06:31] <jtv> Damn.  I have to go take of stuff.
[06:31] <jtv> Especially drinking water.
[06:33] <jtv> And seeing how my family is — their area got hit hard overnight and I think they lost telephone
[07:20] <nigelb> spm: heh
[07:57] <adeuring> good morning
[07:57] <rvba> Morning adeuring.
[07:57] <adeuring> hi rvba!
[08:01] <bigjools> morning
[08:02] <mrevell> Good morning!
[09:23]  * nigelb hugs wgrant
[11:06] <jtv> danilos: have fun in your new team!
[11:06] <danilos> jtv, thanks :)
[11:07] <jtv> Also, don't try sneaking out without finishing your Q/A because I would be able to get to it until Tuesday!
[12:59] <StevenK> jml: Hai. I'd like to do a cherry pick release of Twisted so I can fix a Critical, but I can't figure out how you did it. The fix is already upstream, so perhaps they're close to a release?
[13:00] <jml> StevenK: bigjools did one recently, iirc.
[13:00] <jml> StevenK: and I could have sworn I wrote up the process a couple of years ago into a mailing list message.
[13:00] <jml> StevenK: I have to be afk now, otherwise I'd help more.
[13:00] <jml> StevenK: Twisted's looking for volunteers for an 11.1 release.
[13:23] <bigjools> StevenK: I can  help
[13:26] <StevenK> bigjools: I've been distracted, but I want to head to bed soon, so would you mind sending me a mail with follow-the-bouncing-ball?
[14:05] <danhg> Hey gmb, thanks for the email
[14:05] <danhg> gmb:
[14:05] <danhg> hmmm...
[14:06] <gmb> Hi danhg :)
[14:06] <danhg> ah, it works!
[14:06] <danhg> It didn't 'look' like it had
[14:15] <flacoste> bigjools: so the fix for bug 34086 is live?
[14:15] <_mup_> Bug #34086: removal of arch-all packages while there are arch-specific packages dependent on it results in uninstallable binaries <bad-commit-14159> <escalated> <feature> <lp-soyuz> <qa-ok> <rls-mgr-p-tracking> <soyuz-publish> <Launchpad itself:Fix Committed by julian-edwards> <Ubuntu:Invalid> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/34086 >
[14:15] <bigjools> flacoste: no, it's still fix-committed
[14:16] <flacoste> bigjools: 14171 was deployed earlier today
[14:16] <bigjools> I didn't want to push a release out to cocoplum on a Friday
[14:16] <bigjools> hmmm
[14:17] <bigjools> flacoste: cocoplum is not in the FDT set
[14:17] <flacoste> you mean the NDT set
[14:17] <flacoste> but ok
[14:17] <flacoste> thanks
[14:17] <bigjools> I do!
[14:18] <bigjools> flacoste: I told infinity it would most likely be on Monday anyway
[14:18] <flacoste> great
[14:20] <SpamapS> assuming this was a temporary problem: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/83224566/buildlog.txt.gz
[14:20] <SpamapS> bzr: ERROR: xmlrpc protocol error connecting to https://xmlrpc.edge.launchpad.net/bazaar/: 502 Bad Gateway
[14:25] <abentley> allenap: Where are we at with this storm bug you've fixed?
[14:26] <rvba> abentley: allenap is off today.
[14:26] <abentley> deryck: ^^
[14:26] <deryck> ah bummer bummer
[14:27] <deryck> bigjools, do you know where allenap was at with the Storm bug?
[14:28] <deryck> hmmm, nearly call time for me. nm.
[14:28] <bigjools> deryck: trying to get it reviewed - there was some back and forth.  I told him to just throw it at download-cache for now to unblock us but I dunno if he finished that
[14:28] <bigjools> you could grab his branchj
[14:28] <deryck> bigjools, ah great.  That's what I was going to suggest.
[14:28] <deryck> abentley, can you grab his branch and roll up a tar ball for download-cache?
[14:30] <abentley> bigjools: This is lp:~allenap/storm/oneiric-admin-shutdown-bug-871596 right?
[14:30] <bigjools> yes
[15:01] <abentley> deryck: It's tricky, because allenap's branch is against a newer version of storm than our current, so merging it brings in those changes.
[15:05] <deryck> abentley, ah, right.  And we need to maintain our fork as well, for the with stuff.
[15:06] <abentley> deryck: Right.  So I guess I can merge current storm into our fork, then merge allenap's stuff.
[15:10] <deryck> abentley, yeah, that sounds right to me.
[15:16] <deryck> mrevell, so I see the problem now in the image you sent me.  Was hard to spot at first.  The number and title part are further to the right from the status and importance than what I see.
[15:16] <deryck> mrevell, sound right?
[15:16] <mrevell> deryck, Yeah, that's it
[15:17] <deryck> mrevell, gotcha.  that's easy.  I just gave each section a % width.  Easy enough not to do that.  The middle one needs to expand but not the first or last.
[15:17] <deryck> mrevell, there are actually sections there, even though it's not a table.
[15:17] <mrevell> Yeah, I like them, they solve the scannability problem.
[15:18] <deryck> mrevell, yeah, I think so, too.
[15:34] <sinzui> gary_poster, benji, bac: help! launchpadlib does not know who I am. I switched computers, and uses deja-dup to restore my user data to the new machine. I have deauthorised all my scripts in lp, deleted .launchpadlib cache, and deleted all the launchpad.net password in my keyring
[15:35] <benji> sinzui: what error are you getting?  are you getting the authorize-this-script web page?
[15:37] <sinzui> benji, I an never prompted to re-authorise. The script runs then when I need lp.edit or lp.moderate, I get permission denied
[15:38] <benji> sinzui: did you delete all of .launchpadlib or just the cache directory?
[15:38] <sinzui> there is nothing in the directory now
[15:38] <benji> k
[15:39] <sinzui> I logged and and back in thinking the keyring in the session had cached
[15:40] <benji> sinzui: is your script using login_with or login?
[15:40] <sinzui> well good question
[15:41] <sinzui> benji, lpscript uses Launchpad.login_with(app_name, system_name, version='devel')
[15:41]  * sinzui tries his test script
[15:42] <sinzui> benji, my test script fails in the same way with Launchpad.login_with(
[15:42] <sinzui>         'test', service_root='https://api.launchpad.net', version='devel'
[15:43] <sinzui> benji, I did deauthorise all scripts since they were all tied to my previous computer
[15:43] <sinzui> I really expect a prompt to reauthorise
[15:44] <benji> sinzui: I suspect there's a deauthorized credential lurking in your keyring, that's the only scenario I can see at the moment that would cause these symptoms
[15:44] <sinzui> yeah, that is why I got brutal and removed all Lp passwords.
[15:46] <sinzui> benji, since these were system-wide for my computer, is Lp the real authorisor? could ubuntu/login.ubuntu.com be the actual authorising party?
[15:47] <benji> sinzui: I don't understand the question, but regardless, I think the answer is "yes".
[15:47] <sinzui> oh, I could rename the script which might cause an authorisation prompt
[15:49] <benji> I don't think that'll work.  At least, I'd be dissapointed if it did.  The intent was that once a machine is authorized, all scripts are authorized.
[15:51] <sinzui> does lp-lib piggy back on firefox? I think I same an authorisation request a new days ago that opened firefox, but that is not my preferred browser
[15:55] <benji> sinzui: it uses python's webbrowser module (which is awful)
[15:55] <sinzui> I renamed my moz dir, but that did not help
[16:08] <flacoste> danilos: since it's your last LP day, thanks for everything and good luck with Linaro!
[16:08] <bigjools> danilos: ditto from me
[16:08] <flacoste> sinzui: did you cleaned-up seahorse?
[16:09] <sinzui> I have been, but I believe I have a lot more to purge
[16:09] <danilos> flacoste, bigjools: thanks both, it was a joyful ride! :)
[16:09] <flacoste> sinzui: lplib tokens are very descriptively called 'network password' :-(
[16:09] <sinzui> oh!
[16:09] <sinzui> !!
[16:09] <sinzui> there are a hell pf a lot of those
[16:09] <flacoste> if you click on them, you should see that it relates to one of the LP hosts
[16:10] <flacoste> danilos: and i'll have my illuminati cards in Orlando to kick your butt for leaving ;-)
[16:10] <sinzui> interesting
[16:11] <danilos> flacoste, hehe, you know that whoever is a rookie at the game will win (ok, or Martin :)
[16:11] <flacoste> danilos: and of course buy you a beer afterwards to thank you for all of the good things you did
[16:11] <danilos> flacoste, thanks, I owe you plenty of beers myself!
[16:11] <sinzui> flacoste, deleting them did indeed prompt to reauthorise. But I still got the lp.moderate auth error in my script
[16:11] <sinzui> I was also shown firefox, which is not my browser
[16:12] <flacoste> i blame ubuntu for the later part :-)
[16:12] <flacoste> sinzui: what's the lp.moderate error?
[16:13] <sinzui> 401 (<Product at 0x145c8950>, 'project_reviewed', 'launchpad.Moderate')
[16:13] <sinzui> flacoste, I do not think the script knows I am sinzui in ~registry
[16:14] <sinzui> !
[16:14] <sinzui> flacoste, I see the problem
[16:14] <sinzui> flacoste, it is firefox
[16:15] <sinzui> flacoste, It is not my browser. It is my daughter. She is only authorised to to choose television programs in my house
[16:15] <flacoste> !
[16:15] <flacoste> sinzui: you are on your daughter computer?
[16:16] <sinzui> No, She does qa for me when I need a normal user
[16:16] <sinzui> hence my remark that it is not my browser.
[16:16] <sinzui> This is an easy fix in the browser, but I want launchpadlib to use the browser my computer is configured to use
[16:22] <flacoste> sinzui: how did you configure the browser?
[16:23] <flacoste> sinzui: iirc, we are using the python browser which should use either x-www-browser or www-browser depening on the DISPLAY env
[16:23] <flacoste> does x-www-browser invokes your correct browser?
[16:23] <sinzui> From Ubuntu's menu, System Settings > System Info, Default Applications
[16:23] <sinzui> That controls the web browser shown in the dash
[16:24] <sinzui> and it sets the xdg data
[16:24] <flacoste> right
[16:24] <flacoste> but that doesn't integrate with the Debian alternatives system
[16:24] <flacoste> update-alternatives --display x-www-browser
[16:24] <flacoste> what does that show?
[16:25] <flacoste> use that to set your browser and you'll be fine
[16:25] <flacoste> i'd advocate that changing default applications that doesn't update the alternatives is not a launchpadlib bug
[16:28] <sinzui> flacoste, thank you very much. I reconfigured x-www-browser and chose the auto option and the system default browser now always the chosen browser
[16:28] <flacoste> great!
[16:28] <flacoste> now food
[16:28] <sinzui> This looks like a bug in  x-www-browser where it chooses a specific
[16:30] <jml> StevenK: http://people.canonical.com/~therve/Twisted/11.1.0pre1/ ; http://twistedmatrix.com/pipermail/twisted-python/2011-October/024686.html
[16:37]  * bigjools gets the buildd-manager to cancel a build mid-build <evil cackle>
[18:46] <abentley> deryck: how's it going?
[18:47] <deryck> abentley, not too bad.  a little slower than I'd like.  But making progress.
[18:50] <abentley> deryck: just a heads-up, I've reached the point where I see that what I have is better represented as an object with several methods, rather than a collection of functions.  So update_listing will become ListingNavigator.change_ordering.
[18:50] <deryck> abentley, ah, interesting.
[18:51] <deryck> abentley, presumably this still just needs the order by string from the order by widget to update the page?
[18:52] <abentley> deryck: right.  It will allow me to write unit tests that don't have to mutate window.*
[18:52] <deryck> abentley, ok, nice.
[18:52] <abentley> deryck: Because that connection will be made by a factory method.
[19:45] <sinzui> jcsackett, do you have time to mumble?
[19:45] <jcsackett> sinzui: sure.
[19:55] <sinzui> jcsackett, part1 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookAir4-2
[19:56] <sinzui> jcsackett, part2 http://sourceforge.net/projects/gptfdisk/
[19:57] <sinzui> jcsackett, part3 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11215214&postcount=185
[22:04] <flacoste> critical analysis draft finally completed!
[22:04] <flacoste> sent to the list!
[22:04] <flacoste> and i'm done for the day
[22:04] <flacoste> enjoy your week-end
[22:11] <wallyworld> sinzui: you still around?
[23:37] <cjwatson> flacoste: illuminati> subscribe!  haven't played that in years


[13:42] <phillw> Just in case anyone missed the news re:glibc bug, the isos have all been respun.
[20:07] <LStranger> Hello!
[20:08] <wxl> well hello stranger! XD
[20:11] <LStranger> I plan to release new LXDE packages this weekend (both upstream and Debian unstable). Only bug-fix releases, no new features. Do I understand right, it should be possible to get them into new LTS?
[20:11] <wxl> possible MAYBE LStranger
[20:12] <wxl> DebianImportFreeze is tomorrow
[20:12] <wxl> so it would need some handholding for sure
[20:13] <wxl> i'll check into exactly what needs to be done
[20:13] <wxl> sorry for the ignorance, but will the packages appear in Debian unstable (as available to the public) this weekend? or is there a lag time?
[20:13] <wxl> LStranger: ^^
[20:13] <LStranger> In my job search process I completely forgot about this freeze and some components have too many bugs fixed to be not included into LTS.
[20:15] <LStranger> Well, they usually appear due to very few hours after I upload them to ftpmaster. :)
[20:15] <LStranger> And I will upload each one right after I upload upstream tarball.
[20:15] <wxl> ok well we'll have to alert gilir to have him stuff them in a PPA for testing to make sure we don't need any ubuntu-specific patches
[20:16] <LStranger> If you wonder, I happen to be main upstream developer and also Debian maintainer for all LXDE stuff. :)
[20:17] <LStranger> Thank you very much.
[20:17] <wxl> excellent. thanks for all the work
[20:17] <LStranger> gilir never replied to my last letter to him.
[20:18] <LStranger> so I decided to come here and ask. :)
[20:18] <wxl> LStranger: i know he's a busy guy. we'll track him down, don't worry.
[20:18] <wxl> LStranger: could you email me the changes you're discussing integrating? git logs work.
[20:19] <LStranger> sure, give me your e-mail, please.
[20:19] <wxl> LStranger<EMAIL_ADDRESS>thanks!
[20:46] <LStranger> wxl: so I extract only summary lines from log to make it easily readable, right?
[20:47] <wxl> you can be as verbose as you want, LStranger. even a link to the commit or merge requests works fine for me, too!
[20:49] <LStranger> well, I can point you to the gitweb server pages if that's good for you. :)
[20:49] <wxl> LStranger: works for me. :) an email with links is more than fine
[20:50] <LStranger> ok, will do, thank you. :)
[20:50] <wxl> thank you, LStranger !
[21:14] <LStranger> wxl: mail sent!
[21:39] <LStranger> though lxpanel may come a bit later in Debian since I plan to fix https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=785660 which will bring NEW queue but in Ubuntu it's *ubuntu2 already so anyway will be not directly imported.
[21:39] <LStranger> Thank you ubot :)
[21:41] <LStranger> And may be fixing that will bring Debian package close enough to Ubuntu one to be just imported later.
[21:42] <Unit193> Well, Lubuntu still has the indicator delta.
[21:44] <LStranger> Ah, right.
[21:44] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/0.8.1-1ubuntu1 lists most of it, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/0.8.1-1ubuntu2 has the rest.
[21:45] <LStranger> That libindicator is probably still Ubuntu specific.
[21:46] <Unit193> Well, Debian does have some of it, but it's pretty outdated.
[21:46] <Unit193> (For example, it has xfce4-indicator-plugin too, but outdated.)
[21:48] <LStranger> Although some changes from *ubuntu1 should be in Debian package as well leaving only libindicator stuff in there.
[21:48] <LStranger> So I will ensure that. :)
[21:49] <Unit193> LStranger: I was bummed lxsession wasn't merged for wily, still had crappy ck stuff. :/
[21:53] <LStranger> when I install 14.04 and do add-apt-repository for lubuntu-dev, I hold all lxsession and also lubuntu-* since current upstream isn't usable - no wallpaper for lightdm, no logout dialog at all, may be some other bugs as well, two previous are enough for hold
[21:55] <LStranger> And in Debian BTS the lxsession has the biggest number of bugs between all LXDE packages


[06:45] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:45] <brobostigon> morning AlanBell
[06:53] <livingdaylight> anyone watch the piece still currently playing on BBC1 about copyright?
[07:11] <daubers> Morning
[07:14] <livingdaylight> morning
[07:17] <livingdaylight> very quiet this morning
[07:18] <livingdaylight> It was yesterday suggested that my hd could be dying. Hence I backed up and transferred my files to saftey. However, before simply binning my 500gb hd I thought I'd run the defect detector on the live cd and it came back with zero  errors? Is this a reliable test to tell me about the health of the hd?
[07:19] <MartijnVdS> "defect detector"?
[07:19] <MartijnVdS> do you mean the SMART long test in the Disk Utility (palimpsest)
[07:20] <livingdaylight> MartijnVdS: on the live cd there is a Memory test and test for hd, no?
[07:20] <livingdaylight> I forget what it's called exactly, but it checks the hd for defects afaik.
[07:20] <MartijnVdS> livingdaylight: As far as I know that  checks the CD for defects
[07:21] <livingdaylight> ahhh, okay,.... that's not what I need, lol
[07:21] <livingdaylight> How can I test the disc before chucking it in the bin?
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> livingdaylight: start the live environment, then start the disk utility, and have it do a "Long" or "Extended" test
[07:21] <livingdaylight> not the disc, the hard drive, sorrry
[07:21] <MartijnVdS> livingdaylight: ^^
[07:22]  * livingdaylight needs a coffee
[07:23] <daubers> livingdaylight: SMART is not necessarily a good indicator of disk health :(
[07:23] <MartijnVdS> daubers: SMART saying your disk is bad _is_ a good indicator
[07:23] <MartijnVdS> daubers: SMART saying your disk is good isn't :)
[07:23] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Well.. sometimes. I've seen a couple of disks flip from "bad" to "good" within a few minutes
[07:23] <daubers> stupid smart
[07:23] <livingdaylight> so, SMART can say the disc is good but it is still in fact bad?
[07:24] <daubers> livingdaylight: Yes, sometimes
[07:24] <MartijnVdS> daubers: sure, but once you get a "bad" signal, you replace the disk
[07:24] <livingdaylight> not very smart :s
[07:24] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Assuming the disk hasn't already just failed before it's gone to a "bad" state
[07:25] <livingdaylight> Either my hd died or Ubuntu had a meltdown for the first time  in all the years that I've been using it.
[07:25] <daubers> livingdaylight: use the tool described above and have a look, SMART may tell you the disk is bad, it may not :)
[07:26] <livingdaylight> is there another, more reliable test?
[07:26] <daubers> livingdaylight: As rubbish as SMART is, it's the best tool for this kind of thing at the moment
[07:26] <livingdaylight> ok
[07:26] <livingdaylight> I'd rather not chuck a 500gb hd, on a whim
[07:27] <livingdaylight> I'm probably just in denial still about its death
[07:27] <livingdaylight> a little traumatic
[07:27] <daubers> livingdaylight: You get used to them after a while
[07:45] <MooDoo> hello all
[07:46] <BigRedS> G'morning MooDoo
[07:50] <MooDoo> :)
[07:50] <daubers> o/
[07:58] <livingdaylight> not sure I found and used SMART in Disc Utility or not. But there are some bad sectors. Does that make an entire hd unusable?
[08:00] <BigRedS> nah, that's normal
[08:01] <BigRedS> but a lot of bad sectors, or a high rate of allocating bad sectors, suggests it's going to die soon
[08:01] <BigRedS> some, though, not so bad. Zero is better, though
[08:03] <gord> some bad sectors isn't that normal ;)
[08:03] <gord> you'll want to run bad blocks on the drive at least to stop the bad sectors from being used
[08:06]  * BigRedS might just have low standards and good backups...
[08:09] <JamesTait> Good morning all!
[08:10] <livingdaylight2> Where /how do I run bad blocks?
[08:11] <livingdaylight2> Using irc client on smart phone for the first time
[08:11] <livingdaylight2> I is like :)
[08:15] <MartijnVdS> gord: drives remap bad sectors.  It come up with the warning as described in the following link. http://help.infinitekind.com/discussions/switching-to-moneydance-from-microsoft-money/1370-installing-deb-on-ubuntu  Is it just me or is just using gdebi to circumnavigate the warning not the way forward...
[08:56] <shauno> hopefully he meant what he said about looking into fixing it
[08:56] <shauno> but yeah.  teaching people to ignore spurious warnings isn't cool
[08:59] <popey> Good morning
[08:59] <MartijnVdS> \o popey
[08:59] <bigcalm> Good moaning
[08:59] <MartijnVdS> popey: I ordered my SSD -- http://www.anandtech.com/show/4202/the-intel-ssd-510-review
[09:00] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: putting ubuntu on it?
[09:01] <gord> trying to type on this backup keyboard is hard =\ i keep taking screenshots or paging down or opening menus... its basically like if mr bean used a computer
[09:01] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: Yes (and I know about the "discard" mount option)
[09:02] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: discard what?
[09:03] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: i've not used that with my ssd
[09:06] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: it tells the SSD about which regions are "empty" so it can use its internal wear-leveling more efficiently
[09:06] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: i.e. when you delete files
[09:08] <MartijnVdS> which means it should (note: should) last longer
[09:08] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: ok, but readin around that was only needed in 10.10, does 11.04 already have this?
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: in oneiric, in the "mount" manual page, it says it's disabled by default
[09:09] <MooDoo> ah
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: on natty it's not even in the manual
[09:11] <daubers> MartijnVdS: I thought that was dealt with automagically by TRIM these days?
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> daubers: I thought so, but not according to that manpage
[09:12] <daubers> odd
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM#Discard_parameter_in_Linux
[09:12] <MooDoo> i don't think it's anything to worry about, my ssd works very well :D
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> but will it in a few years? :)
[09:13] <MooDoo> ;)
[09:14] <MooDoo> well guess what i'm doing when i get home :D
[09:15] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Paul Mellors] Vmware + NAS - http://paulmellors.blogspot.com/2011/08/vmware-nas.html
[09:15] <MooDoo> oh rats, that wasn't supposed to go on the planet....grrrr post tags
[09:20] <bigcalm> Oooo, finally a working version of android for the Joggler?
[09:20] <livingdaylight2> Aloha
[09:20] <MooDoo> hi livingdaylight2
[09:21] <livingdaylight2> Hi
[09:22] <livingdaylight2> Swype doesn't have a tab key
[09:23] <BigRedS> livingdaylight2: is this in a terminal emulator?
[09:23] <BigRedS> which one are you using? If you tap the screen just above teh keyboard in irssi it gives some buttons for other keys
[09:23] <BigRedS> I think tab's in there
[09:24]  * selinuxium still loving my Galaxy S II
[09:24] <bigcalm> Andchat is my irc client of choice
[09:24] <BigRedS> er, not irssi, connectbot
[09:24] <BigRedS> I just use 'irssi connectbot' so I forget it's not called irssi
[09:25] <livingdaylight2> Using Yaaic and swype
[09:26] <livingdaylight2> Maybe using the wrong client then, or keyboard :)
[09:33] <bigcalm> In andchat, pressing search after a few letters will do nick autocomplete
[09:33] <bigcalm> Very handy
[09:34] <andylockran> ok, this is saner
[09:35]  * andylockran was in #ubuntu and all sorts of silly stuff was happening there
[09:36] <selinuxium> bigcalm, Android? Joggler? where?  :)
[09:41] <bigcalm> selinuxium: https://twitter.com/#!/popey/status/98679623663095808
[09:41] <popey> :D
[09:41] <popey> works really nicely
[09:41] <bigcalm> It might be what gets me to turn my Joggler back on
[09:44] <popey> :D
[09:45] <livingdaylight2> Andylockran such as?
[09:46] <andylockran> livingdaylight2: guy suggesting he was on drugs and trolling
[09:47] <selinuxium> Cheers popey, bigcalm
[09:48]  * popey lols at MooDoo
[09:52] <popey> http://twitpic.com/60975a
[09:52] <popey> 2 days after "leaving facebook" :D
[09:53] <MooDoo> :p
[09:53] <MooDoo> :p
[09:53] <MooDoo> :p
[09:53] <MooDoo> :p
[09:53] <MooDoo> i got told off
[09:53] <MooDoo> by my mum
[09:54] <popey> haha
[09:54] <MooDoo> but thanks for making me feel small and inadiquate as usual popey :p
[09:54] <popey> :D
[09:54] <popey> NP!
[09:54] <MooDoo> :P
[09:54] <MooDoo> :O
[09:55]  * shauno wonders if it's appropriate to point & laugh when he barely knows these people
[09:55] <bigcalm> I'm lost
[09:55] <MooDoo> shauno: why not everyone else does
[09:55] <MooDoo> bigcalm: i closed my facebook account then re-opened it 3 days later....:(
[09:55] <shauno> MooDoo: Har Har! </muntz>
[09:55] <MooDoo> now popey is taking the mick ;)
[09:56] <MooDoo> shauno: pah! i don't even know you, cheeky s*d ;)
[09:56] <bigcalm> MooDoo: awww. The power of mums :)
[09:56] <shauno> heh.  it happens.  my mother's idea of emailing me is trusting that facebook will email me for her
[09:57] <MooDoo> i got the "your selfish, how can i view pictures of my grandkids now"
[09:57] <MooDoo> nearly 40 and still under the thumb ;)
[09:57] <shauno> is she local enough to drop them on her doorstep?
[09:58] <popey> MooDoo: invite her to G+?
[09:58] <shauno> (extra comedic value if 'local' is only vaguely the same country)
[09:58] <popey> and use picasa
[09:58] <MooDoo> popey: it took all our efforts to get them onto facebook
[09:58] <popey> hahah
[09:58] <czajkowski> Aloha
[09:58] <popey> its all good fun
[09:59] <gord> MooDoo, change their hosts file to point at plus.google.com ;)
[09:59] <popey> hah
[09:59] <popey> "Facebook has been updated"
[10:00] <bigcalm> Morning czajkowski :)
[10:00] <shauno> that would be fantastic.  it's funny enough seeing them scream in pain every time a box moves somewhere else as it is :D
[10:00] <MooDoo> hi czajkowski
[10:00] <scoundrel50a> I nhave a HP Photosmart Printer Scanner, I just connected it to my Ubuntu 10.10 laptop, it recognised it, but I cant get it to scan, is there something I am missing?
[10:01] <czajkowski> MooDoo: bigcalm hi
[10:01] <gord> scoundrel50a, how are you trying to get it to scan?
[10:01] <DJones> scoundrel50a: Which model is it?
[10:02] <gord> i have a photosmart c4700 scanning just fine next to me :)
[10:02] <davmor2> morning all
[10:02] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:02] <scoundrel50a> C3180 and I am pressing the scan button, but it says it cant connect to pc.......even though I can get it to print
[10:02] <popey> yeah, dont do that
[10:02] <popey> open "Simple Scan" on Ubuntu
[10:02] <DJones> scoundrel50a: Try manually scanning using xsane/simple scan etc
[10:02] <scoundrel50a> ah, where is that, do I have to install it?
[10:02] <popey> it should be pre-installed
[10:02] <davmor2> morning MooDoo
[10:03] <popey> Simple Scan, that is
[10:03] <DJones> simple scan should be installed
[10:03] <scoundrel50a> ok, one sec will go loo
[10:03] <popey> TMI!
[10:03] <popey> :D
[10:03] <scoundrel50a> where is it?
[10:03] <MooDoo> popey: think they missed that one popey :)
[10:03] <DJones> popey: Will you slow down typing, I can't keep up :)
[10:03] <popey> indeed
[10:03] <popey> :D
[10:03]  * popey goes to get coffee
[10:03] <scoundrel50a> ok got it, thank you
[10:04]  * MooDoo has to purchase an external cd-writer for my laptop :(
[10:04] <bigcalm> The milk went off this morning when I made my 1st mug of coffee. I has a sad :(
[10:05] <scoundrel50a> oh my gosh,t nhat worked, brilliant, spent hours trying to get that working,.   thank you
[10:05] <DJones> scoundrel50a: The scan button on the printer doesn't do anything on mine either, I always use the app
[10:05] <DJones> Glad it worked for you :)
[10:05] <davmor2> MooDoo: what for?  use a usb pen drive like the rest of us ;)
[10:05] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah i suppose i could do that....
[10:05] <MooDoo> davmor2: can't burn cd's with that though can i :p
[10:06] <shauno> I just don't 'do' paper.  problem(s) solved \o/
[10:06] <DJones> MooDoo: Its a dangerous path doing that, I bought a usb cd/dvd writer when the built in one started to go funny instead of buying a new computer, 2 months later I bough a new computer
[10:07] <MooDoo> DJones: i can't afford that, so i definately won't be doing that....
[10:07] <DJones> MooDoo: Neither could I
[10:07] <shauno> reminds me, the system I work on at work, just gained fax support in the last feature cycle.  go 2011 ;)
[10:07] <MooDoo> DJones: baby in 5 weeks...
[10:07] <DJones> Then I got a policy refund which more than covered the cost :)
[10:08] <davmor2> MooDoo: shouldn't of got a naff laptop then should you ;)
[10:08] <MooDoo> davmor2: it's a good laptop but about 3 years old
[10:08] <DJones> MooDoo: The writer I picked up only cost £25, but still a waste of money with hindsight
[10:09] <MooDoo> i'm nipping over to best buy at lunch to see what they have.
[10:10] <davmor2> MooDoo: local pc shop caddy is about 12-15 quid if you already have a cd writer knocking about failing that a cheap writer is about 8 quid
[10:10] <DJones> This was in a 2nd hand shop, just happened to spot it in the window, liteon cd/dvd, twin usb connection, worked well while I needed it
[10:14] <MooDoo> i'll take a look around, i suppose i can live with out it
[10:17] <davmor2> MooDoo: you gave up on giving up on FB then dude?  didn't last long :)
[10:20] <popey> i wonder if it's possible to detect the scan button and do something in ubuntu
[10:21] <directhex> depends how the scan button emits a signal, i guess
[10:21] <czajkowski> my laptop is going soo slow today on natty alt tabbing is taking forever :/
[10:22] <czajkowski> really wondering about wiping and re installing
[10:22] <czajkowski> but don't want to lose all my emails and settings in thunderbird
[10:23] <davmor2> czajkowski: install ccsm and switch off the 2 second delay alt tab should then be faster :)
[10:24]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski for not knowing that already :D
[10:24] <DJones> popey: The HPLIP package apparently doesn't support the scan to pc feature
[10:25] <popey> czajkowski: have you tweaked the alt-tab delay in CCSM?
[10:25] <czajkowski> I don't even know what CCSM is :/
[10:25] <popey> we default to having a delay in popping up the ALT+TAB dialog
[10:25] <popey> (which is mental)
[10:25] <popey> compizconfig-settings-manager
[10:25] <czajkowski> ahh no not tweaked anything but it's soo slow on the tosh
[10:26] <popey> install unity-2d
[10:26] <davmor2> czajkowski: install oneiric
[10:26] <popey> much faster
[10:26] <popey> dont listen to him
[10:27] <czajkowski> I've no intention of installing oneiric just yet
[10:27] <czajkowski> need at least 1 working machine
[10:27] <davmor2> popey: it's nearly stable and it's faster
[10:27] <czajkowski> popey: will install 2d on this one
[10:27] <czajkowski> popey: thanks
[10:28] <czajkowski> who makes these crazy decsisons on default
[10:28] <czajkowski> *defaults
[10:28] <MooDoo> davmor2: your crazy, do you do it ;)
[10:29] <davmor2> czajkowski: I'll point at gord he can tell you
[10:30] <gord> i know noooothing
[10:30] <czajkowski> gord: was it you....
[10:30]  * czajkowski peers at gord
[10:30] <davmor2> czajkowski: see how quickly he denies it :)
[10:30] <czajkowski> davmor2: you'd deny it too if I were peering at you
[10:30] <popey> czajkowski: http://www.only10types.com/2011/06/ubuntu-1104-natty-slow-alttab-window.html
[10:30]  * MooDoo thinks davmor2 is casuing trouble this morning
[10:30] <popey> do that on unity 3d
[10:30] <popey> see if that improves it
[10:30] <czajkowski> laptop was fine till around a week or so ago, when it started to slow down
[10:31] <popey> if it doesn't then switch to 2d
[10:31] <davmor2> czajkowski: nah I'd just say "and!"  Most likely postfix
[10:39] <directhex> postqueue -f
[10:39] <Kirrus> postsuper -d ALL
[10:40] <directhex> or did you mean "empty" as in "erase"
[10:40] <Kirrus> postqueue -f flushes
[10:40] <bigcalm> erase
[10:40] <directhex> erasing mail is naughty. and evil.
[10:40] <Kirrus> so it'll try to redeliver.. you want postsuper -d
[10:40] <directhex> and yeah, Kirrus is correct
[10:40] <bigcalm> directhex: this is my dev system
[10:40] <Kirrus> You can use a mailid instead of 'ALL' if you want to be more picky
[10:40] <bigcalm> Mail in the Q is not going anywhere
[10:41] <bigcalm> Kirrus: thanks for that :)
[10:41] <Kirrus> bigcalm: thank google ;) .. That how I found it last time I needed it ;)
[11:05] <bigcalm> Unexpected bonus - apparently was paying too much tax since April. Glad my employer is on the ball. 57 quid I wasn't expecting this month
[11:05] <dogmatic69> :/
[11:05] <bigcalm> Tempting to buy more toys, will put it aside for oggcamp instead
[11:05] <MooDoo> pah me wants to go to ogg camp....
[11:06] <MooDoo> anyone know how to deliver a baby just in case i decide to go with the misses ;)
[11:06]  * dogmatic69 has done this
[11:06] <czajkowski> popey: thanks all working now much faster
[11:06] <dogmatic69> its not too hard, unless there are complications
[11:07] <MooDoo> dogmatic69: :)
[11:07] <dogmatic69> MooDoo: especially if its not the first
[11:08] <MooDoo> oggcamp website looks ace :)
[11:10]  * MooDoo wonders if oggcamp is becoming the new Lug Radio live ;)
[11:32] <DJones> Heh, IE users may not be as dumb as recent media reports have suggested http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14389430 Its the media people who reported that are the dumb ones
[11:33] <WorMzy> Aw
[11:33] <BigRedS> Yeah, It's as if the BBC are trying to gain a reputation for not fact-checking
[11:36] <popey> \o/ pub o'clock!
[11:36] <MooDoo> :)
[11:40]  * TheOpenSourcerer has decided on this Friday for the West Dean Chilli Fiesta :-D
[11:42] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, i found a bag of chilli stuff in the cupboard which i brought back from a business trip to san antonio. next week i'll be making texas roadhouse chilli, and also carnitas :)
[11:42] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: does the rest of west dean know about this?
[11:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> davmor2: http://www.westdean.org.uk/Garden/News%20and%20Events/ChilliFiesta.aspx
[11:47] <davmor2> gord you might know why doesn't 2d unity have the same launchers in it as 3d unity surely they use the same source to get the info right?
[11:47] <gord> davmor2, they should have the same launchers, but there was an update recently that reset everyones launchers so maybe something got confused
[11:49] <davmor2> gord: oh nice it does now :)  for ages it didn't so there must of been an update that fixed it :)
[11:51] <gord> nothing more disappointing than a graze box full of things you don't want :(
[11:53] <davmor2> gord: I think you'll find there is, a gaze box that was full of things you like but is now empty when you really need some
[12:06] <MooDoo> davmor2: facebook reply is availabvle
[12:10] <bowtie> hi all
[12:13] <MooDoo> hi bowtie :)
[12:14] <bowtie> MooDoo, is this the write place to ask a theme question?
[12:15] <MooDoo> !ask
[12:15] <MooDoo> :D
[12:17] <bowtie> Ok, the Ambiance theme, shows highlighted pop up windows  with white text on gray background, to me this is eligible, where do I have tyo go to hack file and change colour settings,
[12:21]  * alanbell1 grumbles at silly FTTC setup
[12:22] <alanbell1> it was working really well for an hour or two
[12:22] <hamitron> grumbles \o/
[12:22] <daubers> alanbell1: Broked it already?
[12:22] <alanbell1> yeah
[12:22] <hamitron> :/
[12:22] <alanbell1> fun call with support configuring PPPoE connection on Ubuntu though
[12:23] <daubers> PPPoE? Do you not get a router?
[12:23] <alanbell1> turns out they are going to activate the account tomorrow (even though it worked this morning)
[12:23] <alanbell1> yes, part of the troubleshooting was plug direct into the DSL modem and set up PPPoE
[12:24] <daubers> ah, ok
[12:24] <alanbell1> to take the router out of the equation
[12:24] <hamitron> alanbell1: good to see they know what they are doing, and letting you know ;)
[12:24] <hamitron> who is this through?
[12:24] <alanbell1> plus.net
[12:24] <hamitron> :(
[12:24] <alanbell1> it was smokin' fast when it worked
[12:24] <hamitron> I was considering switching to them....
[12:25] <alanbell1> 34MB down, 1.6MB up
[12:25] <hamitron> not for fast stuff though
[12:25] <daubers> alanbell1: That makes me a sad panda :( Stupid 18 month contract terms
[12:25] <alanbell1> now I have to get a wireless dongle working on my server too
[12:25] <alanbell1> Bus 002 Device 008: ID 7392:7722 Edimax Technology Co., Ltd
[12:26] <directhex> alanbell1, bt infinity?
[12:26] <alanbell1> directhex: 21CN stuff, yeah
[12:26] <directhex> well, rebranded infinity anyway
[12:26] <directhex> i'm wondering if changing to fininity will help fix my line reliability
[12:27] <alanbell1> probably would as only the last few meters are copper
[12:28] <directhex> if nothing else, if i buy from BT, that should help avoid the finger-pointing dance between ISP and BT
[12:30] <directhex> ridiculous though. a month ago i had 16Mib down. one BT visit later, a new phone line installed, I get 10 down.
[12:30] <daubers> directhex: you obviously didn't supply the BT man with a good enough cup of tea :)
[12:30] <daubers> or substandard biscuits
[12:31] <directhex> i offered...
[12:31] <daubers> :)
[12:31] <directhex> anyway, the new line is way slower than the old one, and no more reliable. and be won't help anymore, they're telling me to ring BT. who charge £120 for engineer visits, unless a problem can be proven in THEIR kit. and a line test reports no problem
[12:32] <directhex> so i need to spend £120 on an engineer to tell me it's all Be's fault
[12:34] <davmor2> MooDoo: that's fairly subtle coming from you dude ;)
[12:35] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah i'm trying to be nice.
[12:35] <daubers> directhex: I can do that for you for £119.99
[12:35] <davmor2> MooDoo: you fail at that too then :D
[12:39] <alanbell1> well this wireless dongle isn't just working :(
[12:39] <davmor2> alanbell1: what the chipset and what ubuntu version?
[12:40] <alanbell1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/657888/
[12:40] <alanbell1> Ubuntu 11.04
[12:40] <MooDoo> oi czajkowski *POKE*
[12:40] <alanbell1> I believe it may be a ralink chipset based on googling the USB ID
[12:41] <davmor2> alanbell1: if it's a ralink 5390 there is now a driver for it in oneiric but not on by default anywhere else in Ubuntu land
[12:42] <alanbell1> Ralink RT3072 perhaps
[12:42] <alanbell1> https://usb-ids.gowdy.us/read/UD/7392/7722
[12:42] <davmor2> alanbell1: you may need to grab the driver from ralink direct unfortunately
[12:43] <alanbell1> would it work in oneiric?
[12:45] <czajkowski> MooDoo: sup
[12:46] <MooDoo> czajkowski: just wanted to let you know i'm still annoyingly here and haven't forgotten about you :)
[12:46] <czajkowski> ok...
[12:46]  * czajkowski goes back to cleaning
[12:49] <davmor2> czajkowski: I don't believe you were cleaning at all :P
[13:43]  * daubers puts on BBC Radio Wiltshire
[13:51] <MooDoo> daubers: oi stop it, radio 2 is the only way to go ;)
[13:51] <daubers> MooDoo: Friend of mine is being interviewed about his book :)
[13:51] <MooDoo> sweet
[13:52] <MooDoo> i wrote a book once, it just consisted of my name, it wasn't an interesting read ;)
[13:52] <daubers> MooDoo: his first novel is released tomorrow
[13:53] <MooDoo> brillian
[13:57] <daubers> That was short
[13:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> ouch! http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/public-sector/2011/08/agile-in-the-nhs-10-years-5bn.html
[13:58] <MooDoo> sweetI'm sure i saw on the news thos morning it's been scrapped
[14:03] <alanbell1> there is a good reason they want to figure out how to trade with SMEs again
[14:04] <lightstream> nice work if you can get it
[14:06] <MooDoo> i'll sort the NHS out.....
[14:06] <MooDoo> alanbell1: your mission ;)
[14:07] <alanbell1> MooDoo: not taking on the NHS, even the cabinet office doesn't want to go there
[14:08] <alanbell1> it would be easier to get an RT3072 chipset USB wifi dongle working than it would be to fix the NHS
[14:11] <daubers> Be easier to fix all the issues I have with "Finder" on a mac then fix the NHS
[14:12] <alanbell1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/657953/
[14:12] <alanbell1> any ideas what to do about that lot?
[14:12] <alanbell1> I think I have downloaded probably the right module, I might have built it and installed it
[14:13] <daubers> alanbell1: Check the module is loaded with lsmod?
[14:14] <alanbell1> http://paste.ubuntu.com/657956/
[14:15] <alanbell1> that would be a no
[14:16] <daubers> alanbell1: Does it not even give you an eth back?
[14:16] <alanbell1> how do you mean?
[14:16] <alanbell1> it doesn't create eth1 or anything
[14:16] <daubers> alanbell1: Also which kernel are you running?
[14:17] <alanbell1> Linux playroom 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:24 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[14:18] <daubers> alanbell1: What happens if you modprobe the driver?
[14:19] <alanbell1> FATAL: Error inserting rt5370sta (/lib/modules/2.6.38-8-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/rt5370sta.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[14:19] <alanbell1> if that is the right driver
[14:19] <daubers> is there no general rt3070 driver?
[14:19] <alanbell1> seemed to be the only thing that make install actually installed
[14:20]  * daubers despises wireless networking of all kinds
[14:21] <alanbell1> I downloaded "RT8070/RT3070/RT3370/RT5370/RT5372 USB" from http://www.ralinktech.com/support.php?s=2
[14:21] <alanbell1> the release notes say it works on 3072, which I *think* I have
[14:22] <directhex> alanbell1, you can't just insert a .ko without building. the kernel has no stable ABI
[14:22] <alanbell1> I did make; sudo make install
[14:26] <alanbell1> there is a .c file with a list of USB ids that does't include my one, lets see what happens if I add it there
[14:28]  * popey has dd-wrt'ed a router
[14:28] <popey> its a bit nice
[14:28] <lightstream> ah was looking at that a while ago, the FOSS firmware?
[14:29] <lightstream> how easy was it to install?
[14:29] <gord> only a bit nice?
[14:33] <davmor2> gord: our minds must be on the same wavelength I was about to put the exact same thing :D
[14:33] <gord> note to self, copyright everything i say on irc
[14:34] <daubers> gord: I've copyrighted that statement, you owe me licence money!
[14:34] <gord> daubers, an ip address is not an admission of guilt!
[14:35]  * MooDoo is just checking the DB to see if i can dd-wrt mine
[14:35] <daubers> gord: That's ok, I've also copyrighted your IP address, so every packet you send means you owe me more in licencing \o/
[14:35] <MooDoo> ooo it is
[14:36] <popey> lightstream: very very
[14:36] <MooDoo> popey: did you just download the chk file and use the router interface to flash it?
[14:37] <popey> i just took one out of the box, and chose "router upgrade", uploaded the firmware file, wait a minute, job done
[14:37] <MooDoo> think i might try that
[14:37] <lightstream> what brand router popey ?
[14:37] <popey> Netgear WNDR3700v2
[14:38] <lightstream> ah cool i have a netgear, i shall check the model number when i get home
[14:38] <MooDoo> hmmm i've got a WNR2000 and it won't let me use the chk file, must read ore
[14:39] <alanbell1> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=64575 this looks close
[14:41] <alanbell1> yay, I have an ra0 device \o/
[14:41] <directhex> alanbell1, GPL-only symbols?
[14:41] <alanbell1> that could be the magic trick I guess
[14:42] <alanbell1> I thought it was the insmod from the folder rather than modprobe
[14:42] <popey> \o/ second access point flashed to dd-wrt
[14:42] <popey> only one more to go
[14:42] <alanbell1> anyhow it kind of works, network manager isn't picking it up and I haven't done the blacklist thing (which probably isn't required as it is an odd usb id)
[14:43] <MooDoo> pah my router isn't supported #fail
[14:43] <alanbell1> I think a reboot is in order o/
[14:43] <gord> huh, seems my router can do ddwrt too, but i'v finally got a router that works, so i'm not touching it
[14:44] <popey> loving the UI of this
[14:45] <MooDoo> i can't upgrade mine :(
[14:45] <popey> i might disable my superhub and just use this
[14:45] <popey> it has dual radios so does 2.4GHz and 5GHz
[14:46] <popey> haha, someone with an iphone keeps connecting to it
[14:47] <popey> I can see myself donating to this product
[14:47] <MooDoo> blimey
[14:54] <alanbell1> progress is being made, the module loads, I can do "ifconfig ra0 up" and I can do iwlist ra0 scanning and see my router name
[14:54] <alanbell1> network manager isn't seeing it though. Any ideas on that?
[14:54] <Mez> alanbell1: NM takes a while to pick things up.  Simplest thing is to connect an ethernet and then drop down to "disconnect"
[14:55] <Mez> which forces it to do a refresh, I've found
[14:55] <alanbell1> nope
[14:56] <alanbell1> !ping
[15:00] <alanbell1> lets see if I can connect to the router using the command line
[15:03] <alanbell1> hmm, no
[15:03] <bigcalm> What's the advised way of coping with “and” ?
[15:03] <alanbell1> can't set the essid using iwconfig
[15:06] <Azelphur> anyone know how to exclude certain directories from an rsnapshot backup?
[15:06] <Azelphur> like I want to do backup root@myserver:/ but I have certain things that are pointless and huge that I don't want backed up
[15:09] <bigcalm> Like an snv:ignore
[15:13] <Azelphur> http://news.slashdot.org/story/11/08/03/0239242/Ripping-CDs-Set-To-Be-Legalized-In-UK yay
[15:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> Azelphur:
[15:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> Q: How do I exclude files/directories with spaces in their names, like Documents and Settings?
[15:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> A: You can make use of the wildcard matching and replace the space with a ?, for example: exclude=Documents?and?Settings/
[15:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://rsnapshot.org/faq.html
[15:14] <Azelphur> fun :)
[15:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Bit about using a exclude list here: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-rsnapshot-backup-howto/
[15:21] <popey> MOO!
[15:21] <directhex> OINK!
[15:22] <DJones> NEIGH!
[15:22] <Azelphur> BAA!
[15:23] <DJones> Beef, Pork, Horse & Lamb, sounds like a french BBQ
[15:23] <directhex> QUACK!
[15:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Reads like a page from the kids book "Farmer Duck".
[15:29] <popey> dd-wrt.com seems dead :WS
[15:29] <popey> ⍨ even
[15:30] <hamitron> entire internet is
[15:30] <hamitron> :/
[15:30] <hamitron> well, broken anyway
[15:30] <hamitron> ;/
[15:41] <MooDoo> blimey fedora board meetings are just soooo boring to watch lol
[15:42] <gord> MooDoo, you suggest there are board meetings that are interesting to watch :)
[15:42] <MooDoo> :)
[15:42] <davmor2> popey: when you say seems dead do you mean no-one is working on it or the site is down?
[15:43] <MooDoo> seems ok here popey
[15:43] <MooDoo> http://dd-wrt.com/site/index
[15:54] <popey> it was dead when i said it
[15:54] <popey> it's back now
[15:54] <diplo> Hi all, mates laptop was set to login auto
[15:55] <diplo> Hes set it to require a password now
[15:55] <diplo> But when trying to login it says currently logged in
[15:55] <diplo> but doesn't load desktop
[15:55] <diplo> Can login via cli
[15:55] <diplo> Any ideas ?
[15:55] <diplo> Google isn't helping so far :)
[15:55] <popey> are you sat at it?
[15:55] <diplo> He is yeah
[15:55] <diplo> 2 foot away
[15:55] <popey> you are not?
[15:55] <popey> oh
[15:56] <popey> so rebooting takes him to gdm logon screen?
[15:56] <diplo> yep
[15:56] <diplo> Enters details, clicks login and just refreshes
[15:56] <diplo> and says currently logged in
[15:56] <popey> ooer
[15:57] <diplo> heh, first time for me as well
[15:57] <lightstream> but doing ctrl-alt-F1 lets him log in?
[15:57] <diplo> Yep
[15:57] <lightstream> weirdness
[15:57] <diplo> Tried passwd just to make sure
[15:58] <diplo> just trying useradd now, see if a new user can login
[15:58] <lightstream> probb a red herring, ie it's not that he's already logged in but someother issue that is making the login fail
[15:58] <lightstream> and the error reporting is 'jumping to conclusions'
[15:59] <diplo> ok, currently logged in was another tty
[15:59] <diplo> forgot to exit out
[15:59] <diplo> So created a new user, clicked on it and it just refreshes the login screen, doesn't offer to put pass in
[16:04] <diplo> So it seems its to do with gdm-session-worker assertion failed
[16:04] <diplo> googled for that now, if any one has any ideas ?
[16:06] <diplo> Hmm, too hot, he's given up for the day.. if we don't get anywhere in the morning I'll harass you all again
[16:06] <diplo> :)
[16:42] <ali1234> does anyone happen to know how much a ticket from london victoria to luton airport costs?
[16:42] <ali1234> (if you turn up and buy it on the day)
[16:46] <tubadaz> £16.00 single, £21.00 for a day return (according to the national rail website) :-)
[16:47] <ali1234> damn
[16:47] <ali1234> that's a total rip off :(
[16:47] <tubadaz> Welcome to UK rail pricing! :-(
[16:47] <MartijnVdS> Bus to luton is cheaper
[16:47] <MartijnVdS> "Green Line" are good.
[16:48] <ali1234> i can get a coach from nottingham to luton for £26
[16:48] <ali1234> or i can get a coach from nottingham to london victoria (which is about twice as far) for £9
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> http://www.greenline.co.uk/serviceInformation.aspx?id=12595
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> oh it's still £16 single
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> ripoff :)
[16:49] <tubadaz> national express are quoting me from £15 for a single on the coach!! :-O
[16:49] <ali1234> yes
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> this is why I took the train from Brussels to  St Pancras :)
[16:49] <tubadaz> plus a booking fee of 50p!!
[16:50] <MartijnVdS> £50 flight + £25 bus tickets = cheaper to take the train :)
[16:50] <ali1234> train nottingham to luton costs the same as well, £26
[16:50] <ali1234> but it takes an hour less
[16:56] <AlanBell> I am failing to connect my wireless by the command line
[16:56] <ali1234> popey: you can share a 3g dongle over wifi using openwrt. do not use dd-wrt, it is dumbed down rubbish
[16:56] <AlanBell> sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid PlusnetWirelessYVMZVD key s:PQET7XLDQR
[16:56] <AlanBell> Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) :    SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
[16:57] <AlanBell> what am I doing wrong there? (the key is slightly different to the one I pasted)
[17:01] <popey> ali1234: i have already flashed it with dd-wrt :D
[17:02] <popey> ali1234: will have a look at openwrt when I get home, thanks
[17:04]  * brobostigon returns
[17:15] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Weekly Ubuntu Q+A Videocasts - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/08/03/weekly-ubuntu-qa-videocasts/
[18:07]  * peng42phone yawns from Peterborough train St
[18:15] <AlanBell> ooh, I think I am online
[18:15] <brobostigon> :)
[18:15] <brobostigon> you are, yes.
[18:16] <AlanBell> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1415791585.png
[18:17] <AlanBell> not as fast as it was this morning, I seem to have lost 14MB of download
[18:20] <peng42phone> New line?
[18:35] <AlanBell> I think the Fiber to the Cabinet box is overheating
[18:36] <brobostigon> :(
[18:38] <AlanBell> yeah, stories all over the net about them overheating when not wall mounted
[18:38] <brobostigon> ah.
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> This Intel 510 SSD rocks quite hard
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> Boot from BIOS to login screen is faster than the BIOS part ;)
[18:45] <popey> no speedtest for me!
[18:45] <popey> flash free august
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> popey: the png AlanBell linked to will still work though :)
[18:45] <popey> hah
[18:45] <MartijnVdS> popey: PNG is stallman-approved Free :)
[18:45] <popey> so i flashed 3 routers to dd-wrt
[18:46] <popey> now learn that openwrt is probably what I want/need
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> popey: I thought one was a fork of the other
[18:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: What does it do that you need?
[18:51] <popey> openwrt supports 3g dongles
[18:52] <popey> which means I need to flash it back to netgear firmware then openwrt it
[18:52] <popey> tried going dd-wrt -> openwrt but it helpfully says "update failed"
[18:53] <hamitron> are they not merging towards each other?
[18:53] <popey> no idea
[18:54] <hamitron> I read they are to reduce work or something
[18:54] <mgdm> it'd make sense
[18:54] <peng42phone> Popeye's: that's pretty helpful compared to bricking
[18:54] <popey> true
[18:54] <ali1234> openwrt does not "support 3g dongles" any more than any other linux distribution
[18:55] <ali1234> it merely allows you to do whatever you want
[18:55] <ali1234> while dd-wrt doesn't
[18:55] <popey> gotcha
[18:55] <hamitron> you have the right to break things on openwrt.... :-o
[18:55] <ali1234> 3g dongles are no different to any other ppp dial up
[18:55]  * hamitron switches
[18:57] <ali1234> dd-wrt is for people who want to run a custom firmware but don't need any features that aren't in the standard firmware
[18:58] <hamitron> the one thing missing from dd-wrt for me... I'm like ipv6 and vpn supported at the same time
[18:58] <hamitron> I'd*
[18:59] <hamitron> but not looked closely
[18:59] <hamitron> just didn't seem to be a simple option available
[18:59] <ali1234> that's because such things are not simple
[19:00] <hamitron> a lazy tinkerer doesn't get much tinkering  done
[19:00] <hamitron> :/
[19:00] <hamitron> well
[19:00] <hamitron> there was no firmware build with both in, that will fit on my router
[19:00] <hamitron> :/
[19:01] <hamitron> didn't even get to the point of attempting to set it up
[19:01] <ali1234> openwrt is customizable
[19:01] <hamitron> and if anything recently, I've been reducing the options I have
[19:02] <ali1234> you can remove packages you don't need to make room... like the web interface
[19:02] <hamitron> so it would be better for me
[19:02] <hamitron> :)
[19:02] <hamitron> just so much to do in life
[19:02] <hamitron> :/
[19:02] <hamitron> and so little time
[19:28] <shauno> okay.  here's a fun one.  why does irssi keep getting killed by SIGALRM
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> shauno: because you loaded a plugin that called alarm() but not a signal handler
[19:46] <shauno> shoulda thought to look at new scripts.  even though that's been running a good 6 weeks now
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> Fry's English Delight is great this week :)
[20:09] <peng42phone> Hmm, the expected arrival time of my train keeps getting later
[20:15] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S04E12  More Tea Vicar - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/08/03/s04e12-more-tea-vicar/
[21:21] <popey> anyone fancy helping me debug a ppp 3g issue?
[21:23] <bigcalm> I would do, but I have to go play taxi man now and pick up Hayley
[21:23] <popey> ok
[21:24] <AlanBell> how are you getting on with the liberated routers?
[21:24] <popey> i have openwrt on one
[21:24] <popey> and have plugged a known working 3g dongle into it
[21:25] <popey> but can't seem to get it to dial
[21:25] <AlanBell> is the dongle in useless mode?
[21:25] <popey> no, I think it's good
[21:25] <AlanBell> or in I am a modem mode
[21:25] <popey> Bus 001 Device 002: ID 19d2:0031 ONDA Communication S.p.A. ZTE MF636
[21:25] <popey> 19d2:2000 is useless mode I believe
[21:26] <popey>  /dev/ttyUSB0-2 exist
[21:26] <popey> which is a start
[21:26] <ali1234> so what happens when you send "AT" to it?
[21:26] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/658237/
[21:26] <AlanBell> can you talk to it with minicom or something?
[21:26] <popey> thats what ppp is doing
[21:26] <ali1234> pppd is useless for debugging
[21:26] <ali1234> use minicom
[21:27] <popey> ok
[21:27] <popey> root@hawking:~# opkg search minicom
[21:27] <popey> root@hawking:~#
[21:27] <ali1234> "AT&F" is some crazy stuff i never heard of
[21:27] <popey> ☹
[21:28] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/658247/
[21:28] <popey> i believe its using that
[21:28] <ali1234> yeah delete all that rubbish
[21:28] <ali1234> it's different for every dongle
[21:28] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/658248/
[21:28] <popey> thats from my /etc/config/networking
[21:28] <popey>  -ing
[21:29] <ali1234> AT&F and ATE1 are not needed
[21:29] <ali1234> but you have to put the dongle online
[21:29] <ali1234> whoever wrote that script has no clue :)
[21:29] <popey> heh
[21:29] <popey> dunno where it came from
[21:29] <ali1234> but it doesn't help that every dongle is different
[21:30] <ali1234> ATE1 = local echo
[21:31] <ali1234> you probably need ATV1 too for verbose mode otherwise it won't return "OK"
[21:31] <ali1234> then you have to send
[21:31] <ali1234> AT+CFUN=1
[21:31] <ali1234> AT+COPS=0
[21:31] <ali1234> then you can send AT+CGDCONT...
[21:32] <mgdm> AT&F was, if I remember over 10 years ago correctly, something to reset bits inside the modem
[21:32] <mgdm> I forget exactly what bits
[21:32] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/658252/
[21:32] <popey> like that?
[21:32] <ali1234> no
[21:32] <ali1234> that will wait for ever for "OK" before it sends anything
[21:32] <ali1234> line 6 must start with ""
[21:32] <popey> oh
[21:32] <popey> gotcha
[21:33] <ali1234> and put ATE1 back in
[21:33] <ali1234> after ATV1
[21:33] <ali1234> and you should do this using a terminal emulator
[21:33] <ali1234> picocom, microcom, or cu
[21:33] <ali1234> or just cat and echo
[21:33] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/658253/
[21:34] <ali1234> ok
[21:34] <ali1234> no
[21:34] <ali1234> ATV1
[21:35] <popey> que
[21:35] <popey> sorry, being dim
[21:43] <czajkowski> whooooooooooo going back to ireland for 10 days :D
[21:43] <mgdm> \o/
[21:43] <shauno> any chance you can bring some sun with ya ?
[21:44] <czajkowski> if I've not melted by then sure
[21:45] <shauno> meant to be heading out to the aran islands on saturday.  would be nice if they could pause the drizzle for 12 hours
[21:46] <czajkowski> it was 30 today here
[21:47] <czajkowski> well said 28 outdoors
[21:47] <czajkowski> damn hotter indoors
[21:49] <AlanBell> czajkowski: when are you going?
[21:51] <Laney> I went climbing today. Some of the holds were seriously sweaty due to the extreme heat :(
[21:51] <Azelphur> anyone happen to know what all the wildcard characters are for irc hostmask matches?
[21:51] <Azelphur> I think it's just * and ? right?
[21:53] <mgdm> IIRC, yes, pretty much the same as shell globs
[21:53] <Azelphur> :)
[21:53] <mgdm> You'd think I'd remember being staff and everything, but no...
[21:53] <Azelphur> haha
[21:57] <popey> grrrr
[22:00] <czajkowski> AlanBell: 23/8 - 1/9
[22:00] <popey> \o/
[22:01]  * AlanBell checks diary
[22:01] <popey> thought for a moment you'd be away for oggcamp!
[22:02] <czajkowski> popey: and you went \o/ ;)
[22:03] <czajkowski> seeing as have to sign on here every 2 weeks going in between for a wee break back home
[22:03] <czajkowski> heading straight to Lahinch :D
[22:04] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/658266/
[22:04] <popey> nearly there!
[22:06] <czajkowski> popey: whatcha doing...
[22:06] <popey> trying to get a backup router working for oggcamp
[22:06] <popey> in case we need it for internet access
[22:06] <czajkowski> ahh
[22:06] <czajkowski> smart
[22:06] <popey> frustrating
[22:06] <popey> so close
[22:06] <hamitron> "need"
[22:06] <hamitron> ;/
[22:06] <popey> yeah, some people will need internet access for their talks
[22:07] <czajkowski> popey: you giving a talk
[22:07] <popey> dunno yet
[22:07] <popey> not written one yet
[22:07] <popey> not had time
[22:07] <czajkowski> I was thinking about it
[22:07] <czajkowski> but don't know what I could talk on
[22:09] <dwatkins> bringing Ubuntu to the masses?
[22:19] <gord> yay, want a new router already
[22:19] <AlanBell> czajkowski: I will be flying back on the 23rd
[22:21] <czajkowski> to or from shannon ?
[22:21] <AlanBell> from shannon to gatwick
[22:21] <AlanBell> I will wave at you out of the window as we go past
[22:37] <AlanBell> crap, no static IP address for me :(
[22:40]  * mgdm waves his static IP \o/
[22:40] <mgdm> AlanBell: how come?
[22:41] <AlanBell> not available on this service apparently
[22:41] <AlanBell> even though I very specifically asked for one when ordering and was told that I could add one for £5 after setup
[22:42] <AlanBell> now I am told to go use dyndns :(
[22:43] <popey> Oh look, it's Sterly-worded-letter-of-complaint O'Clock!
[22:43] <AlanBell> bed o'clock
[22:43] <popey> thatalso
[22:44] <AlanBell> I will get by with dyndns and assuming that if I keep everything on I keep the address
[23:06] <czajkowski> AlanBell: leave @ 6:50am flight
[23:06] <czajkowski> only time to fly to shannon from gatwick
[23:33] <ali1234> popey: the dial string is different across all dongles
[23:36] <ali1234> also, is it the free 3 dongle?
[23:37] <ali1234> because that needs an extra command to enable 3G data mode