[12:00] <HumanPrototype> nekostar, thanks
[12:00] <khaladan> I did a server install.  What package(s) should I install to get X and GNOME running?
[12:00] <_jason> Stormx2: find | xargs echo, for example
[12:00] <HumanPrototype> intelikey, thanks
[12:00] <nekostar> khaladan,
[12:00] <nics_> find . -name "requirement" -exec <cmd> \$;
[12:00] <HymnToLife> khaladan> ubuntu-desktop
[12:00] <nekostar> how much ease do you want it to be
[12:00] <Allan> Stormx2: it depends on the command; some can't do it at all
[12:00] <nics_> forget eht \
[12:00] <Stormx2> I made a script which is ment to run every time I download something, but I forgot to set it up. It works on the basis of.... musicmove filenamehere.mp3
[12:00] <dxdemetriou> I have a problem to boot from sata disk with windows. My first disk is ide with Ubuntu, and the windows on the first sata. It worked ok, up to the time I added disk in hdb. Instead from sata disk it boot from hdb. What I can do? here is the link for my configuration: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13000
[12:00] <nekostar> are you trying for a light install or full install ?
[12:00] <nekostar> one route is:
[12:01] <nekostar> sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg xserver-common x-window-system gdm gnome-core
[12:01] <Stormx2> I had a command which did it before, but I forgot it :(
[12:01] <nekostar> that SHOULD get you close
[12:01] <_jason> nics_: does it work with the $ like that?
[12:01] <nekostar> full bulky install:
[12:01] <Hexidigital> hiya _jason
[12:01] <nekostar> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[12:01] <_jason> Hexidigital: hello
[12:01] <nics_> actually been drinking too much should be -exec <cmd> {} \;
[12:02] <Stormx2> _jason, biovore, Allan, what do you think ^_^
[12:02] <nics_> better still 'man find' :-)
[12:02] <biovore> Stormx2: can be done with a simple bash script
[12:02] <nekostar> dxdemetriou, pplz looking be patient
[12:02] <intelikey> Stormx2 find /<path> -type f -exec <your command> {} \;
[12:02] <Stormx2> intelikey: Thanks
[12:02] <dxdemetriou> nekostar: sorry.. I posted twice to be with the link :)
[12:03] <intelikey> Stormx2 replace all within <>
[12:03] <Stormx2> intelikey: Right
[12:03] <Stormx2> intelikey: And that'll add the filename to the end of it
[12:03] <Allan> Stormx2: I suggest doing "man musicmove", and if one of the options, say, -r, does recursive, use it. If there isn't,  use one of the complicated ways suggested by intelikey and _jason
[12:03] <nekostar> dxdemetriou,
[12:03] <nekostar> you know
[12:03] <intelikey> yes
[12:03] <nekostar> the easiest way might be to reinstall grub from the cdrom
[12:03] <Stormx2> Allan: I wrote the musicmove script ;-)
[12:03] <intelikey> it will appear where   {}  is
[12:03] <nekostar> kinda like when u install windows after ubuntu and have to redo it
[12:03] <nekostar> lemme find u a link
[12:03] <Allan> Stormx2: there goes my brilliant idea
[12:03] <biovore> Stormx2: for i in filelist; do echo "moving *.mp3 to ~/music/"; mv $i ~/music/$i; done
[12:04] <pablo_> http://pastebin.com/685743
[12:04] <intelikey> with full path     and you can add   '   if needed
[12:04] <intelikey> '{}'
[12:04] <pablo_> i need help with this file
[12:04] <Allan> Where do I go for problems with the Ralink wireless driver on Breezy?
[12:04] <pablo_> http://pastebin.com/685743
[12:04] <polpak> Allan, here, or the forums
[12:04] <Stormx2> biovore: o.O what?
[12:04] <Allan> thanks
[12:04] <intelikey> got a job to do be back later on maybe.
[12:04] <pablo_> its dhcp.conf file  http://pastebin.com/685743
[12:05] <biovore> Stormx2: its a on cli bash script :-P
[12:05] <Allan> Stormx2: I think those are a series of commands to be run in a shell script
[12:05] <Allan> oops
[12:05] <Stormx2> intelikey quit :(
[12:05] <Stormx2> I was about to thank him lol
[12:05] <Stormx2> Well thanks everyone who just helped out :D
[12:06] <dxdemetriou> nekostar: I will boot from cd normally, or it need extra parameters?
[12:06] <MystaMax> what difference does it make who the user/group proftpd is setup to run as?
[12:06] <nekostar> dxdemetriou,
[12:06] <verdee> hi everyone
[12:06] <nekostar> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24113&highlight=fix+grub+howto
[12:06] <nekostar> boot from install cd
[12:07] <nekostar> real REAL easy
[12:07] <Allan> I've compiled and installed the RT2570 driver for my USB wireless card (found it at heanet.dl.sf.net/rt2400)
[12:07] <nekostar> do you have two comps dxdemetriou ?
[12:07] <Allan> and it doesn't work
[12:07] <nekostar> i can walk u through it live
[12:07] <khaladan> i get an error that says x-window-system not available
[12:07] <khaladan> "has no installation candidate"
[12:07] <khaladan> ???
[12:07] <nekostar> khaladan,
[12:07] <Allan> sorry if I don't provide enough info
[12:07] <nekostar> x-window-system-core then
[12:07] <khaladan> okay.
[12:08] <Allan> but I don't know much. What could be wrong, and how do I fix it?
[12:08] <nekostar> khaladan, are you trying for the lightest install possible/?
[12:08] <dxdemetriou> nekostar: yes. both with ubuntu in first disk :)
[12:08] <prometoys> hi, which package handle the OSD for volume low/high/mute and eject?
[12:08] <khaladan> yeah, i want a light install.
[12:08] <khaladan> but i do want X.
[12:08] <khaladan> and GNOME too.
[12:08] <nekostar> ok dxdemetriou boot to ubuntu install disk on the compy needed and log in here with the other one
[12:08] <nekostar> khaladan, then thats the package for you
[12:08] <khaladan> now i get the same prob w/ gnome-core...
[12:08] <polpak> khaladan, just do server install and then sudo apt-get install x-window-system-core xinit gnome-core and you should be set
[12:09] <SeaBrie> can I ask a [hopefully]  quick and noddy apt question?
[12:09] <khaladan> it suggests gnome-desktop-data for something
[12:09] <nekostar> gdm x-window-system-core xserver-xorg gnome-core
[12:09] <nekostar> i belive
[12:09] <Allan> SeaBrie:sure, but don't ask to ask a question. Just ask it.
[12:09] <nekostar> suggests dont matter
[12:09] <dxdemetriou> nekostar: ok. thanks for the help. I will connect here from the other pc.
[12:09] <EfrenStudios> buenas !!
[12:09] <khaladan> i'll try that
[12:09] <nekostar> whatever it makes u install let it khaladan
[12:09] <polpak> khaladan, I think you need xinit for the startx command
[12:09] <polpak> khaladan, but i could be wrong
[12:10] <nekostar> khaladan, he will have startx from what im having him do
[12:10] <SeaBrie> ok, if I remove a package using aptitude purge <package> and then manually remove its config file (let's say all of /etc/samba/ for argument's sake), how do I get apt to replace that with the default files again on reinstall?
[12:10] <nekostar> when u install gdm its in there
[12:10] <SeaBrie> currently it just complains that /etc/samba doesn't exist
[12:10] <khaladan> still getting no installation candidate w/ gnome-core
[12:10] <nekostar> and if your lucky gdm actually works :D
[12:10] <khaladan> what's that even mean? :(
[12:10] <nekostar> khaladan, hold on
[12:10] <Allan> Seabrie: purge already deletes the conf file
[12:10] <polpak> SeaBrie, purge already removes the config file
[12:10] <SeaBrie> no, it doesn't :)
[12:10] <nekostar> it means that package isnt specifically listed
[12:10] <polpak> SeaBrie, you shouldn't have removed /etc/samba
[12:10] <Allan> it should
[12:10] <SeaBrie> it deletes /etc/default/samba
[12:11] <khaladan> using "gdm x-window-system-core xserver-xorg gnome-core"
[12:11] <nekostar> its in the new ubuntu but lemme chekc my breezy
[12:11] <SeaBrie> (this is using dapper, btw)
[12:11] <SeaBrie> polpak: I wanted to nuke the changes I'd made to smb.conf and replace it with the package default again
[12:11] <polpak> !info gnome-core
[12:11] <ubotu> gnome-core: (The GNOME Desktop Environment -- essential components), section universe/gnome, is optional. Version: 1:<IP_ADDRESS>ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 40 kB
[12:11] <SeaBrie> (yesyes, I should've backed it up first)
[12:11] <Allan> SeaBrie: you don't need to do anything, apt, by deafalt, replaces conf files with the default
[12:12] <polpak> khaladan, you need the universe repo
[12:12] <Allan> Just go ahead and reinstall
[12:12] <SeaBrie> Allan: hrm, my experience differs
[12:12] <khaladan> universe repo huh
[12:12] <Allan> that's strange... what does apt say?
[12:12] <SeaBrie> do I need to be aptitude reinstalling, rather than installing?
[12:12] <nekostar> ah sweet
[12:12] <polpak> !tell khaladan about repositories
[12:12] <nekostar> yeah
[12:12] <Allan> SeaBrie: yes
[12:12] <nekostar> khaladan, edit your sources
[12:12] <khaladan> okay.
[12:12] <khaladan> will do
[12:13] <nekostar> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:13] <tatters> if I want to run a server is DMZ  in a linksys routergoing be effective enough to seperate my private lan from the public box?
[12:13] <nekostar> anything thats not commented out add " universe multiverse "
[12:13] <nekostar> to the end of
[12:13] <nekostar> then do sudo apt-get update
[12:13] <khaladan> is dapper drake stable?
[12:13] <Allan> khaladan: not yet
[12:13] <Allan> khaladan: it will be on June 1
[12:14] <polpak> tatters, DMZ will basically forward all trafic going to your routers external ip to the machine in the DMZ
[12:14] <SeaBrie> ok, here's the relevant output of aptitude reinstall samba:
[12:14] <SeaBrie> Unpacking replacement samba ...
[12:14] <SeaBrie> Setting up samba (3.0.22-1ubuntu1) ...
[12:14] <SeaBrie>  * Starting Samba daemons...
[12:14] <SeaBrie>    ...fail!
[12:14] <SeaBrie> invoke-rc.d: initscript samba, action "start" failed.
[12:14] <nekostar> tatters, it routs all incoming...
[12:14] <SeaBrie> (because /etc/samba doesn't exist)
[12:14] <nekostar> but explicitly requested stuff from the other machines still gets to em
[12:14] <nekostar> :)
[12:14] <tatters> polpak: does it protect my private lan if the dmz box was compromisd?
[12:14] <polpak> tatters, nope
[12:14] <nekostar> SeaBrie, put on one line or use well
[12:14] <jadaz87> hello i was wondering why there is not a preview button or screensaver setup button under Screensave Preferences
[12:14] <nekostar> !flood
[12:14] <ubotu> well, flood is for pasting, please use http://pastebin.com , http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl or #flood here on freenode.
[12:14] <tatters> I red router DMZ is not true DMZ
[12:15] <nekostar> o.O
[12:15] <khaladan> ok, the page that describes how to add universe does it w/ Synaptic
[12:15] <SeaBrie> nekostar: ah, cunning, ok
[12:15] <khaladan> which I don't have...
[12:15] <polpak> tatters, the dmz box can connect to other machines on your local lan
[12:15] <polpak> tatters, and vice versa
[12:15] <tatters> so how do seprate my public from my private
[12:16] <khaladan> so, what file do i have to edit? i don't have X installed much less Synaptic
[12:16] <khaladan> sources.list?
[12:16] <jadaz87> 	hello i was wondering why there is not a preview button or screensaver setup button under Screensave Preferences
[12:16] <_harm> how do i see if i have a Working hardware accelerated OpenGL video card
[12:16] <nekostar> khaladan, /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:16] <khaladan> okay.
[12:16] <polpak> tatters, get 2 ips from your ISP. and put the server outside the local lan
[12:16] <biovore> _harm: glxinfo
[12:16] <khaladan> thanks
[12:16] <nekostar> np khaladan
[12:16] <tatters> hmm only single IP
[12:17] <nekostar> tatters,
[12:17] <polpak> _harm, glxinfo | grep -i direct
[12:17] <nekostar> what exactly are u trying to do
[12:17] <SeaBrie> going to give pastebin a go.  Apologies if I cock this up
[12:17] <polpak> _harm, if it says Yes then you have hardware redering
[12:17] <nekostar> lol its easy SeaBrie :D
[12:17] <polpak> _harm, rendering
[12:17] <nekostar> and we all F$#R@#$ up now and then
[12:17] <nekostar> XD
[12:17] <phoul> hell
[12:17] <_harm> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[12:17] <phoul> o
[12:17] <phoul> Sry
[12:17] <_harm> good or not?
[12:17] <phoul> excuse me anyone know of a stand alone equilizer?
[12:17] <polpak> _harm, Direct Rendering: ?
[12:17] <tatters> run a public server seperate from my private Lan
[12:17] <SeaBrie> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13001 I guess will be what you want :)
[12:17] <_harm> direct rendering: No
[12:17] <phoul> I need on but it cant be attached to like xmms or something
[12:17] <khaladan> how come gnome is in universe? i thought it was fully supported.
[12:18] <nekostar> tatters,
[12:18] <polpak> _harm, then No
[12:18] <_harm> polpak i suppose i dont have it then :S
[12:18] <biovore> tatters: you can do it using iptables and nat
[12:18] <nekostar> you just wanna enable public filesharing on one server ?
[12:18] <polpak> _harm, what video card?
[12:18] <_harm> ATI 9200 SE
[12:18] <tatters> yah I got a nat rotuer
[12:18] <phoul> anyone know of a stand alone equilizer?
[12:18] <polpak> _harm, have you installed the ati drivers?
[12:18] <_harm> fglrx u mean? i tried but iam not sure
[12:18] <polpak> !tell _harm about ati
[12:18] <biovore> tatters: those things are crap..  some of them can kinda do it..
[12:18] <polpak> _harm, follow the instructions on the wiki
[12:19] <tatters> wrt-54 linksys running dd-wrt firmware
[12:19] <polpak> _harm, ubotu should have given you the link
[12:19] <_harm> polpak i already tried those :S
[12:19] <polpak> _harm, should work fine....
[12:19] <verdee> Problem with nvidia drivers (I've read the wiki). I understand that there is 2 drivers, one for Xserver and one for the kernel, right?
[12:19] <Allan> SeaBrie: Are you sure that it's the missing conf file causing the problem
[12:20] <_harm> urm sec ill redo them and ill post errors?
[12:20] <biovore> verdee: yes..
[12:20] <SeaBrie> Allan: I'm 99% sure, yes
[12:20] <teletubbie> !flash
[12:20] <ubotu> Installation & troubleshooting for Flash is covered in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:20] <phoul> does one exist?
[12:20] <phoul> Anyone at all
[12:20] <teletubbie> what command to start epihany?
[12:20] <tatters> I got a linux box with 2 NICs running lark connect as a gateway and want best way to connect to my linksys router
[12:20] <wolfie_> Hi there, I'm a noob at Ubuntu and lunix as a whole really and I am having trouble with the SAMBA set up. Neither my OSX or WinXP machines are taking my username and pass.
[12:20] <Allan> SeaBrie: I trust you, but do you have anything that supports that, or are you guessing?
[12:20] <phoul> _harm, I didnt know you used ubuntu
[12:20] <phoul> :P
[12:20] <biovore> phoul: what sound stystem you runnung?
[12:21] <_harm> phoul i do, dapper :P
[12:21] <polpak> _harm, actually... you said it's a 9200?
[12:21] <SeaBrie> Allan: I had it "working" before I nuked the package and /etc/samba
[12:21] <r0xoR> how can i do multiple logins? like the "switch user" functionality in windows XP? i.e. log on another user onto another desktop without logging myself off and closing my programs?
[12:21] <tatters> clarkconnect^^
[12:21] <_harm> polpak yes a Radeon 9200 SE
[12:21] <SeaBrie> that's about all I can offer as "evidence" though
[12:21] <phoul> biovore, umm meaning?
[12:21] <SeaBrie> by working IM I could connect to it using smbclient
[12:21] <biovore> phoul: your talking about sound EQ?
[12:21] <HymnToLife> wolfie_> samba uses it's own passwords, not the system ones, run sudo smbpasswd -a username
[12:21] <verdee> thanx biovore, i'm using 6.06 and the kernel driver is too old for the x server driver
[12:21] <phoul> biovore, excuse my stupidity but im still not sure what your asking
[12:21] <phoul> Like you wondering about my type of card?
[12:22] <biovore> verdee: 6.06 is under development so expect brokeness now and then
[12:22] <SeaBrie> maybe a better question would be where can I get the default config files for samba...? :)
[12:22] <xerophyte> with rsync how can i say to delete file which are not in the source location to the remove location .. i mean i wanna delete file which are not in the current location
[12:22] <biovore> phoul: what sound EQ you talking about?
[12:22] <phoul> any
[12:22] <tatters> Internet--X--Public-- IP gateway+DNS+webser+mysql--X--Private IP  --wrt54g--DHCP--lan    Ias thinknig this ?
[12:22] <SeaBrie> because then I can just drop them in place
[12:22] <Allan> SeaBrie: good enough evidence. instead of using the package system's reinstall thing, how about purging it, then installing it?
[12:22] <r0xoR> anyone?
[12:22] <phoul> I just need a equilizer that can do bass and trebel
[12:22] <biovore> phoul: running gnome?
[12:22] <phoul> yeah
[12:22] <SeaBrie> Allan: using dpkg?
[12:22] <r0xoR> phoul, alsamixer
[12:22] <biovore> phoul: SB-live?
[12:22] <phoul> It dont appear in alsamixer
[12:22] <r0xoR> er wait... equalizer
[12:22] <Allan> no, apt-get
[12:22] <phoul> SB-live?
[12:22] <biovore> phoul: sound card?
[12:22] <r0xoR> phoul, what sound card do you have
[12:22] <SeaBrie> apt-get --purge remove...?  Tried that :)
[12:22] <SeaBrie> same issue
[12:23] <phoul> its some crappy intel onboard thing
[12:23] <Allan> reboot computer
[12:23] <r0xoR> AC'97
[12:23] <phoul> intel ich
[12:23] <biovore> phoul: ac97 then
[12:23] <phoul> yeah
[12:23] <Allan> maybe that will work
[12:23] <r0xoR> phoul, snd-intel8x0
[12:23] <verdee> thanks biovore, now i'll try to force the old package
[12:23] <biovore> phoul: no hardware eq support on that chipset
[12:23] <phoul> damn...
[12:23] <_harm> polpak i reconfigured xorgr
[12:23] <r0xoR> i810 chipset... low end but it works
[12:23] <_harm> let met reboot
[12:23] <phoul> I really need to adjust it
[12:23] <_harm> phoul brb m8
[12:23] <phoul> Because im using a program without a equilizer
[12:23] <_harm> hopefully
[12:23] <r0xoR> phoul, go get yourself a Chaintech AV-710
[12:23] <biovore> verdee: you can always build using the current nvidia driver from there site
[12:23] <phoul> I dont have any income :(
[12:23] <r0xoR> phoul, for the price you can't get better sound quality
[12:24] <_harm> phoul = bum
[12:24] <r0xoR> phoul, chaintech av-710 is like super super cheap
[12:24] <phoul> no I = young
[12:24] <wolfie_> HymnToLife, do I replace username with a my own choice?
[12:24] <r0xoR> seriously cheap
[12:24] <phoul> lol
[12:24] <phoul> r0bby, how much
[12:24] <phoul> erg
[12:24] <r0xoR> phoul, no seriously... cheap
[12:24] <phoul> r0xoR, how much
[12:24] <verdee> biovore, ok, i try it now
[12:24] <r0xoR> phoul, froogle it
[12:24] <phoul> card again?
[12:24] <biovore> phoul: you will have to do software eq.. with kde use have alsa that has a software EQ.. don't know about gnome.. but esd should have a simular thing.
[12:24] <r0xoR> phoul, Chaintech AV-710
[12:24] <HymnToLife> wolfie_> a one that exists on your system
[12:24] <phoul> I use esd
[12:25] <r0xoR> phoul, uses the Envy24 chipset which is supported by the kernel so it works "out of the box"
[12:25] <SeaBrie> ah, hrm, I wonder
[12:25] <dxdemetriou> nekostar: It works. thanks for the help
[12:25] <phoul> But I dont see what that has to do witih it
[12:25] <khaladan> how come gnome-base is in universe?
[12:25] <r0xoR> phoul, super crisp clear quality... huge sound stage
[12:25] <Allan> r0xoR: the Chaintech AV-710 is about $32
[12:25] <SeaBrie> aha!
[12:25] <biovore> khaladan: it is?  (on brezzy?)
[12:25] <r0xoR> phoul, though it won't make your games run faster it will make them sound really good... and you're onubuntu anyway so my guess is that gaming is not your highest priority
[12:25] <SeaBrie> aptitude reinstall samba-common did it
[12:25] <SeaBrie> not just samba
[12:26] <r0xoR> Allan, aye, i thought it was somewhere around there, but i didn't wanna quote it
[12:26] <unreal_dr> hello all
[12:26] <Allan> good job
[12:26] <SeaBrie> thanks very much for the help :)
[12:26] <phoul> r0xoR, the only reason I want a equilizer is because I use mpd
[12:26] <unreal_dr> i have an issue with a computer freezing on me after 2 hours or so
[12:26] <phoul> And it dont have its own equilizer
[12:26] <SeaBrie> I have dapper running on a server here, btw
[12:26] <phoul> which kinda sucks
[12:26] <r0xoR> wutz mpd?
[12:26] <unreal_dr> i'm running dapper
[12:26] <SeaBrie> (ISTR reading somewhere that you were interested to hear such things)
[12:26] <wolfie_> HymnToLife, I enter sudo smbpasswd -a wolfie (being the account I'm on), but it shows the "Password:" but won't let me enter anything.
[12:26] <phoul> music player daemon
[12:26] <unreal_dr> error in syslog is: gdm[4108] : Master suspending...
[12:26] <unreal_dr> right before the crash
[12:26] <biovore> unreal_dr: this in linux only?
[12:27] <polpak> wolfie_, just type your password. it won't show anything but it still types
[12:27] <unreal_dr> biovore: linux only. dapper-only box
[12:27] <khaladan> well i had to include universe before apt-get install would work on gnome-base
[12:27] <khaladan> not sure why that would be
[12:27] <biovore> unreal_dr: hmm possible HW issue..  You can detected it if you build a custom kernel with extended debug.
[12:27] <phoul> r0xoR, every site I tried dont even cary anything by chaintech
[12:28] <polpak> phoul, www.pricewatch.com
[12:28] <_harm> back
[12:28] <unreal_dr> biovore: i built a kernel without preempt and with the kernel.org sources
[12:28] <unreal_dr> biovore: no patches
[12:28] <biovore> unreal_dr: 2.6.16?
[12:28] <biovore> what version?
[12:28] <unreal_dr> biovore: i'm guessing nvidia has something to do with it
[12:28] <biovore> unreal_dr: I have nvidia here.. no problems
[12:28] <unreal_dr> biovore: yes, 2.6.15 as well, since nvidia drivers don't compile with 2.6.16
[12:28] <brosioz> how can i get dhcp address from a dhcp server ? only with dhclient ?
[12:29] <_harm> polpak direct rendering: Yes
[12:29] <khaladan> i have a dual cpu machine, do i need to get a different kernel?
[12:29] <polpak> _harm, congratulations
[12:29] <teletubbie> what command to start epihany?
[12:29] <biovore> unreal_dr: theres a patch you make it work with 2.6.16
[12:29] <_harm> polpak sweet thanks m8
[12:29] <unreal_dr> biovore: this is a geforce mx 400
[12:29] <Howdy125> Chaintech .. http://www.google.com/search?q=Chaintech+AV-710&sa=Search&hl=en
[12:29] <unreal_dr> biovore: where is that patch?
[12:29] <_jason> teletubbie: epiphany
[12:29] <teletubbie> _jason: nope
[12:29] <biovore> unreal_dr: took me a while to find it..
[12:29] <r0xoR> phoul, just buy from the vendors on froogle
[12:29] <polpak> teletubbie, it is if you have it installed...
[12:29] <_jason> teletubbie: did you install it?
[12:29] <r0xoR> phoul, or pricewatch.com as the case may be
[12:29] <unreal_dr> biovore: perhaps <IP_ADDRESS> solves my problems
[12:29] <teletubbie> yes, I have it installed
[12:29] <r0xoR> phoul, do you live in the US?
[12:29] <teletubbie> try it plz
[12:29] <phoul> Nope
[12:30] <wolfie_> Cool, I think I have it working now... jut something wrong with some items.
[12:30] <teletubbie> it is not called epiphany
[12:30] <r0xoR> phoul, what is the function of mpd? is there anything else that has the same functionality?
[12:30] <_jason> teletubbie: did you install epiphany or epiphany-browser? (epiphany is a game)
[12:30] <biovore> I have <IP_ADDRESS> here install and it worked out of the box with the newest nvidia drivers
[12:30] <unreal_dr> biovore: i'm suspecting STR (acpi or so) has something to do with the crash
[12:30] <phoul> r0xoR, not that I know of
[12:30] <teletubbie> ahhh
[12:30] <teletubbie> I did apt-get install epiphany
[12:30] <phoul> And it runs music lol its the name tells all
[12:30] <biovore> unreal_dr: maybe.. or hardware over heating.
[12:30] <unreal_dr> biovore: ubuntu's sources for the drivers or nvidia.com ?
[12:31] <verdee> rebooting x, bye and thanks
[12:31] <phoul> ohh I have another question actually
[12:31] <r0xoR> phoul, what is it's functionality though?
[12:31] <phoul> Im having a small problem with compiz
[12:31] <biovore> unreal_dr: I use the stuff from nvidia..  I don't use the stuff on the ubuntu mirrors
[12:31] <unreal_dr> biovore: i enabled gkrellm with lm sensors to turn off the computer if it goes to 55C
[12:31] <polpak> phoul, you should ask in #ubuntu+1
[12:31] <Allan> !dpkg info compiz
[12:31] <ubotu> Allan: Syntax error in line 1. Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[12:31] <unreal_dr> biovore: i'm sure is not over heating now
[12:31] <biovore> unreal_dr: what chipset and CPU?
[12:31] <green_earz> khaladan: you need to install the kernel image for your cpu type that as the   smp   extention for dual cpu
[12:31] <unreal_dr> biovore: umm... i'll use nvidia's drivers then
[12:32] <unreal_dr> biovore: intel chipset and p3 CPU
[12:32] <r0xoR> ok i see what mpd does... nice little app
[12:32] <r0xoR> phoul, get a better sound card... that's what you need
[12:32] <biovore> unreal_dr: you have to cripple some ubuntu automagical stuff to use it..  or esle the GLX gets messed up
[12:32] <r0xoR> phoul, an equalizer can't make up for bad sound hardware
[12:32] <phoul> uhh
[12:32] <unreal_dr> biovore: like?
[12:32] <phoul> It does for all the other sound things I use
[12:32] <biovore> unreal_dr: p3 shouldn't have any problems with a nvidia card.
[12:32] <r0xoR> this is rule number 1 in audio recording
[12:33] <phoul> r0xoR, the equilizer fixes stuff in audiacious
[12:33] <biovore> unreal_dr: you don't need to setup TLS links if you use the nvidia driver
[12:33] <phoul> :)
[12:33] <unreal_dr> biovore: i'll compile the driver with my own kernel then
[12:33] <r0xoR> phoul, mmmm... no, you might think it does... but it doesn't :)
[12:33] <phoul> well it makes it sound better
[12:33] <unreal_dr> biovore: TLS ? what's that
[12:33] <r0xoR> phoul, or at least it might alter it to the liking of your ears... but it's still no substitute for proper quality DACs
[12:33] <phoul> well its a nice thing to have if you have NO money
[12:34] <biovore> unreal_dr: its a thing the developers did to make it so the nvidia driver and the opensource drive can live together
[12:34] <biovore> just sets up symlink on the gl libs
[12:34] <r0xoR> phoul, my suggestion: learn to program, and learn to pipe mpd audio output through an equalizer program
[12:34] <unreal_dr> biovore: i forgot how to compile the nvidia driver... i've been using make-kpkg to make the module
[12:34] <MystaMax> has anyone setup vmware server beta on ubuntu?
[12:34] <r0xoR> phoul, tada
[12:34] <phoul> rotfl
[12:34] <biovore> unreal_dr: donwload it.. and run it..  sh ./NVIDIA ......
[12:34] <r0xoR> phoul, is something funny?
[12:34] <unreal_dr> biovore: NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8756-pkg1.run <--- right?
[12:34] <phoul> yeah actually
[12:34] <biovore> unreal_dr: bingo
[12:34] <phoul> By the time I will be able to do that.... I will have a job I hope
[12:35] <unreal_dr> biovore: no need for --extract-only ?
[12:35] <r0xoR> phoul, mmmm naw... i learned to program damn well within about 2 years
[12:35] <biovore> unreal_dr: nope
[12:35] <r0xoR> phoul, i was 12 at the time
[12:35] <phoul> im 14
[12:35] <phoul> :p
[12:35] <r0xoR> phoul, and it took me 6 more years of being able to program REALLY well already before i got a job
[12:35] <Allan> SeaBrie: how do you do that thing in the irc room?
[12:35] <doubletwist> Anyone here any good with mdadm?
[12:35] <SeaBrie> what thing?
[12:35] <khaladan> what's the package name for Synaptic?
[12:35] <doubletwist> I'm trying to create a RAID 5 and it's REALLY starting to tick me off...
[12:35] <khaladan> "synaptic"?
[12:36] <Allan> khaladan:yes
[12:36] <r0xoR> phoul, it's never too early to start learning to program, and linux is a perfect place to start
[12:36] <biovore> doubletwist: I havn't messed with mdadm in a bit.. But I have a box that uses
[12:36] <unreal_dr> biovore: ok... let's see
[12:36] <r0xoR> phoul, plus you have a need and a real application for it
[12:36] <SeaBrie> Allan: you mean the "* SeaBrie does something"?
[12:36] <phoul> I used to program a little in c++ and python
[12:36] <Allan> SeaBrie: yes
[12:36] <SeaBrie> Allan: "/me does something"
[12:36] <phoul> But I kinda stopped on the account I really had nothing to do
[12:36] <johntr7> can any1 help with i/o lockup while using web browser (opera & konqueror & mozilla) on kde & gnome ?
[12:36] <doubletwist> Everytime I try to create the raid [/dev/md0]  with 5 drives, it keeps trying to use 4 drives and 1 spare. Even though I use --raid-devices=5 and --spare-devices=0
[12:36] <phoul> But im not good enough to make something like thast
[12:36] <r0xoR> phoul, well shiznitz bro... now you got something to do :)
[12:37] <SeaBrie> yeah, like that :)
[12:37] <Allan> yay thx
[12:37] <r0xoR> phoul, hahah, it's not much to make... just gotta learn about pipes and fifos and how linux does IPC
[12:37] <biovore> doubletwist: raid 5 is 4 drives and 1 redudent
[12:37] <SeaBrie> np, what goes around :)
[12:37] <phoul> r0xoR, you could make me one ;)
[12:37] <doubletwist> biovore No, RAID 5 is any number of drives greater than 3
[12:37] <SciOly> has anyone ever rebooted and had totally weird /sys behavior?
[12:37] <SeaBrie> rebooted?
[12:37] <doubletwist> biovore I know it uses redundant space, but it's setting up a hot-spare, which I DON"T want.
[12:37] <Allan> SeaBrie: also, how do you do smilies? Like this? :)
[12:37] <SeaBrie> why would you want to do that? :)
[12:37] <r0xoR> phoul, that's all it is... think of it like metaphorical/virtual patch cables that you use to send signals from your CD player to your stereo... except in this case it's from mpd to an equalizer program
[12:37] <Allan> lol
[12:37] <SeaBrie> Allan: yes, like that
[12:37] <r0xoR> phoul, you'd have to pay me way more than what that Chaintech costs bro :)
[12:38] <phoul> rotfl
[12:38] <biovore> doubletwist: RAID 5 is a hash check some..  a RAID 5 array of 5 drives of 250GB each would have a total usable space of 1TB  (not 1.25TB)
[12:38] <phoul> Expensive bastige!
[12:38] <phoul> :p
[12:38] <SciOly> SeaBrie, well... everything was fine, then I rebooted, and everything that depended on /sys...say mixer applet and cpufreq failed
[12:38] <r0xoR> phoul, and i already have a pro level sound card so i don't have a need for it
[12:38] <verdee> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13002 i can't load the correct kernel module :/
[12:38] <Allan> How do I make a module load on startup
[12:38] <r0xoR> phoul, yes... which is why u should learn to program... so you can be an expensive bastige... w/ev tf a bastige is :P
[12:38] <doubletwist> biovore I know that. I'mt rying to say that it's loosing the space of TWO drives because it's trying to set one up as a hot-spare.
[12:38] <phoul> Its a nice word for bastard
[12:38] <phoul> :-\
[12:38] <phoul> lol
[12:39] <SeaBrie> Allan: add it to /etc/modules
[12:39] <biovore> doubletwist: ok, I get what your saying now..
[12:39] <SeaBrie> SciOly: hrm
[12:39] <r0xoR> phoul, naw i thought as much... anyway, the only thing stopping you from trying is yourself... and if you never try, you never know
[12:39] <biovore> doubletwist: didn't have that problem here..
[12:39] <Allan> thanks
[12:39] <doubletwist> biovore I haven't had this issue in the past either.
[12:39] <r0xoR> phoul, it *will* at least give you something to do
[12:39] <SeaBrie> SciOly: my instinct says it's something vaguely initrd related, but I couldn't be sure
[12:39] <SeaBrie> SciOly: did you recompile your kernel or anything?
[12:39] <doubletwist> biovore which is why this is driving me nuts! :)
[12:39] <phoul> r0xoR, what language would be best for this tho
[12:39] <SciOly> SeaBrie, no recompiling :(
[12:39] <phoul> like if you say c I might just have to throw something heavy in your general direction
[12:39] <phoul> :-\
[12:40] <r0xoR> phoul, hmmm, that's a good question... and honestly i don't think i'd be the best judge of that because I'd probably say C
[12:40] <biovore> doubletwist: I guess head for the mdadm FAQ and docs
[12:40] <phoul> lmao...
[12:40] <SeaBrie> SciOly: hmmm
[12:40] <r0xoR> phoul, but that's cuz most linux apps are done in C (some in C++) and the level at which you need to program (IPC) is mostly C related iirc
[12:41] <r0xoR> phoul, but you might be able to do it with anything, i'm just not sure what other languages have access to pipes and fifos etc
[12:41] <phoul> lol c it is
[12:41] <Howdy125> Whats the default browser and email program in ubuntu?
[12:41] <polpak> phoul, do you already know how to program?
[12:41] <SciOly> SeaBrie, this persists now if I reboot again... the directories are present in /sys, but if if I try to cat a file that would normally give me cpu speed, there is no file
[12:41] <phoul> now to remember how to you know do anything
[12:41] <phoul> not worth a damn in C
[12:41] <polpak> Howdy125, firefox and evolution
[12:41] <verdee> Howdy125, firefox and evolution
[12:41] <Howdy125> ty polpak  verdee
[12:41] <r0xoR> phoul, heheh, well two things... one i've got a good tutorial i think you could use to brush up/review on C
[12:41] <polpak> phoul, but you're familiar with programming in general?
[12:41] <phoul> I awalys wanted to learn to program lol
[12:41] <r0xoR> phoul, and go join #c
[12:41] <r0xoR> phoul, they'll help you a lot as long as you help yourself too
[12:42] <phoul> polpak, yeah
[12:42] <SeaBrie> SciOly: what's the output of mount?
[12:42] <phoul> does quickbasic count?
[12:42] <phoul> XD
[12:42] <phoul> kidding
[12:42] <SeaBrie> (specifically I'm looking for a line containgin "/sys") :)
[12:42] <r0xoR> phoul, actually join ##c not #c
[12:42] <SciOly> query SeaBrie
[12:42] <SeaBrie> #c#! :)
[12:42] <SeaBrie> SciOly: you'll be wanting a / :)
[12:42] <verdee> ehi guys, any ideas (i'm using 6.06)? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13002
[12:43] <SciOly> SeaBrie, it looks normal ( and proc and sysfs are mounted)
[12:43] <r0xoR> phoul, lemme go find you that C tutorial brb
[12:43] <nekostar> wow
[12:43] <nekostar> repositories really really bad
[12:43] <SeaBrie> SciOly: weird
[12:43] <SeaBrie> SciOly: what flavour of Ubuntu are you running?
[12:43] <nekostar> its either a ddos or isp limiting
[12:44] <nekostar> im betting on ddos
[12:44] <chop> im using Eterm in a dark background. unfortunately, the font colors are also dark. What can i do to make them brighter?
[12:44] <_harm> preferences? font colors?
[12:44] <SciOly> SeaBrie, breezy badger
[12:45] <SeaBrie> SciOly: hrm, got me a bit stumped there
[12:45] <SeaBrie> perhaps someone else on here has more sys-fu than me
[12:46] <SciOly> SeaBrie, yeah...me too, I noticed it immediately when I rebooted that pretty much everything in the gnome-panel that monitored anything failed
[12:46] <SeaBrie> SciOly: always fun :|
[12:49] <SeaBrie> SciOly: is this from a vanilla installation too?
[12:49] <SciOly> SeaBrie, hm, what exactly is vanilla?
[12:50] <SeaBrie> fresh
[12:50] <SeaBrie> unchanged
[12:50] <SeaBrie> that sort of thing :)
[12:51] <trainstroker> whats a place i can DL euphoric sounds from?
[12:51] <goonie> I have a problem with my netcards not being activated on boot. I have to activate them in networking manager after boot. Any ideas?
[12:51] <trainstroker> binaural
[12:51] <SciOly> SeaBrie, no...not exactly, I've had it running since about December, been messing around a bit, but haven't recompiled kernel and no serious changes from last time it worked to this time
[12:51] <SciOly> SeaBrie, I've also checked /var/log and can't see to have any documented failure/error, but gnome does complain
[12:51] <SeaBrie> nothing in dmesg?
[12:52] <SciOly> as far as I can tell, it's pretty normal
[12:52] <lsuactiafner> heh so how do i disable the macs to be broadcasted? am allowed 5 pcs on the wlan, but one of the pcs are connected to my desktop which is an entertainment pc
[12:52] <SeaBrie> very weird
[12:53] <lsuactiafner> and its mac should never go on the wlan even if i download an apt-get update
[12:53] <SeaBrie> lsuactiafner: sounds to me like you want your desktop to do some sort of NATing
[12:53] <lsuactiafner> dpkg files are synced to a server which is allowed on the wlan
[12:53] <lsuactiafner> i can do nat
[12:54] <lsuactiafner> i jsut need to ensure that my mac never goes on the wlan
[12:54] <SeaBrie> actually, you don't need to do nat
[12:54] <SeaBrie> just enable ip_forwarding on the desktop and configure routes accordingly
[12:54] <tim_> anyone know of a good tool in linux to join 2 movies (a full movie split into 2 parts merged back together again)
[12:55] <SeaBrie> the routing table on the wireless access point will just point at the desktop as the next hop for the other PC's IP
[12:55] <SciOly> SeaBrie, it's also weird that even though some things that depend on /sys are broke (i.e. mixer) I can still play sound fine
[12:55] <SeaBrie> SciOly: I can't find anything relating to the sys thing on google either :|
[12:55] <SeaBrie> (insert "with" where appropriate)
[12:55] <Klick_>  hey all, can anyone help me understand why this script when ran manualy wont drop me to a shell http://pastebin.com/685937
[12:56] <lsuactiafner> SeaBrie : i dont think so. i think when my entertainment pc does apt-get update the wlan admins will see a 6th mac address
[12:56] <SeaBrie> lsuactiafner: they shouldn't do.  The mac's only relevant for the final hop
[12:56] <SeaBrie> but I'm not going to put money on it :)
[12:56] <lsuactiafner> alright, will test it
[12:57] <thomas_> hi can anybody help me out with njb support?
[12:58] <pgregory> can anyone here help me get my wireless networking working again after a kernel recompile?
[12:58] <SciOly> SeaBrie, do you think updating the kernel would help restore /sys functionality?
[12:58] <SeaBrie> SciOly: it /might/
[12:58] <c|linux> hi I have just installed unbuntu for the first time... and cant sett my screen resolution higher than 1024*xxx   but my screen end graphic card(nvidia6600) suports 1280*1055 (wide screen) where can i configure the right resolution?
[12:58] <SciOly> SeaBrie, anywhere else I should look for help?
[12:59] <SeaBrie> SciOly: good question.  Truth be told I only appeared here about an hour ago to ask about samba ;)
[12:59] <thomas_> c|linux you need to reconfigure xorg
[12:59] <polpak> !tell c|linux about resolution
[12:59] <SeaBrie> SciOly: have you tweaked anything in /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[01:00] <pgregory> it was all working fine from a clean install, but then I had to recompile the kernel as part of the "Getting suspend2 to work with nvidia drivers" HOWTO, and now I can't see my wireless card.
[01:00] <SeaBrie> pgregory: sounds like you might've not included the NIC driver in the kernel config then
[01:00] <SciOly> nope...I think the only thing I changed last time I wasi n linux was to install cpudynd for cpu frequency scaling -- this might be related because it does depend on /sys.../cpu0 but I don't see the connnection
[01:00] <SeaBrie> pgregory: what card is it?
[01:01] <SeaBrie> SciOly: I'd be quite worried if it broke /sys :)
[01:01] <pgregory> SeaBrie: ipw2200
[01:01] <SeaBrie> SciOly: are you just getting no such file errors?
[01:01] <SeaBrie> pgregory: oh dear god
[01:01] <SciOly> SeaBrie, yeah... but it's not even starting on reboot so I have no idea how it could
[01:01] <pgregory> during boot I'm getting the error cannot load firmware.
[01:02] <pgregory> SeaBrie: ??? something wrong with that card?
[01:02] <SeaBrie> pgregory: I've got one in my laptop
[01:02] <lsuactiafner> ubotu tell c|linux about nvidia
[01:02] <SeaBrie> pgregory: they're, er, interesting
[01:02] <goonie> why won't my netcards activate automatically on boot? I have to activate them manually.... Plz help
[01:03] <pgregory> SeaBrie: it all worked before I had to rebuild the kernel, so I'm presuming it's something I've done wrong during configure.
[01:03] <SeaBrie> pgregory: there's an ipw2200 driver in the stock kernel I believe
[01:03] <[A] ndy80> hi
[01:03] <SeaBrie> though if it's complaining about firmware, it sounds like the driver's installed
[01:03] <SeaBrie> but the firmware files aren't where it expects them to be
[01:03] <SeaBrie> you can grab the latest firmware from ipw2200.sf.net
[01:04] <[A] ndy80> trying to dist-upgrade from ubuntu hoary to dapper, I get this error during installation of packages: http://pastebin.com/685946
[01:04] <[A] ndy80> how can I fix it?
[01:04] <pgregory> SeaBrie: any idea how to find out what it's looking for?
[01:04] <SeaBrie> and dump them into whatever directory it's supposed to be
[01:04] <SciOly> SeaBrie, I'm just trying to completely remove cpufreq and cpudyn...
[01:04] <thomas_> is there a help topic on njb?
[01:04] <SeaBrie> pgregory: off the top of my head, no.  There's a bunch of instructions at ipw2200.sf.net though I believe
[01:04] <junin> hi uys
[01:04] <SciOly> SeaBrie, but where shoudl I check for filesystem errors
[01:04] <pgregory> SeaBrie: any guess as to why they disappeared when I recompiled the kernel?
[01:05] <SeaBrie> SciOly: /var/log/syslog is my best guess
[01:05] <SeaBrie> pgregory: are they different kernel versions?
[01:05] <pgregory> no, don't think so.
[01:05] <pgregory> 2.6.12, on Ubuntu 5.10 stock.
[01:05] <SeaBrie> hrm, could be that the stock kernel was compiled using some other magic that you didn't include.
[01:06] <SciOly> SeaBrie, brb
[01:06] <SeaBrie> pgregory: either way, there're instructions on the ipw2200 page
[01:06] <phoul> how do I make mpd start on boot
[01:06] <phoul> ?
[01:06] <SeaBrie> phoul: make what start on boot?
[01:06] <phoul> mpd?
[01:06] <SoulPropagation> SeaBrie: mpd.
[01:07] <guerra> Hail all! can anyone inform me how do i upgrade to dapper teste version?
[01:07] <polpak> phoul, you can either add it to your bootmisc.sh file, or create a new startup file for it in /etc/init.d/
[01:07] <pgregory> SeaBrie: thanks, I'll look into it.
[01:07] <muep> guerra: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:07] <polpak> !tell guerra about upgrade
[01:07] <phoul> polpak, bootmisc.sh?
[01:07] <phoul> I think a new startup would mess up less if I made a error
[01:08] <polpak> phoul, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[01:08] <guerra> thanks
[01:08] <SeaBrie> is there not a nice fluffy option in, say, /etc/default/mpd to say run as a daemon or something? :)
[01:08] <Klohunt> What is the most compatible media player with firefox? mozilla-mplayer?
[01:08] <polpak> phoul, if it is intended to start when your computer boots up, it will generally have a startup script created in /etc/init.d already
[01:09] <SeaBrie> right, I'm going to have to sleep
[01:09] <SeaBrie> I need to be up soonish
[01:09] <thomas_> mozilla mplayer is the best option i've used.
[01:09] <phoul> wow
[01:09] <phoul> It is there
[01:09] <phoul> 0_0
[01:09] <asterism> wow
[01:09] <asterism> It is there
[01:10] <SeaBrie> g'night all
[01:10] <phoul> night
[01:12] <kimo> anyone used zimbra?? what's ur impression?
[01:13] <phoul> Hmmm
[01:13] <phoul> It didnt start but it is in there
[01:14] <miguelsr> hey sorry the azeureus couls i downlod by terminal or by the web?
[01:16] <Acidic> hello
[01:16] <Acidic> anyone able to help me.. im having a problem setting up proftp
[01:17] <DBO> sure, what is your problem?
[01:17] <Acidic> when i try to start it
[01:17] <Acidic> ProFTPd warning: cannot start neither in standalone nor in inetd/xinetd mode. Check your configuration.
[01:18] <Acidic> i can't see anything wrong with the config
[01:18] <DBO> /etc/proftd.conf -> pastebin
[01:18] <Acidic> sorry, you want me to paste it all in here? :P
[01:18] <DBO> !pastebin
[01:18] <ubotu> pastebin is probably http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/, a site for pasting long texts so you don't disrupt the channel - or install webboard in Gnome: http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1269
[01:18] <DBO> =)
[01:19] <raptros-v76> !help
[01:19] <Acidic> hmm haven't seen this before
[01:19] <DBO> what do you need raptros-v76 ?
[01:19] <unreal_dr> biovore: there doesn't seem to be a way to turn off /usr/sbin/pmi, which is called when gdm goes in suspend mode
[01:19] <trainstroker> binaural
[01:19] <trainstroker> binaural
[01:19] <trainstroker> whats a place i can DL euphoric sounds from?
[01:19] <lior> hi can anyone help me configure a vpn client?
[01:19] <foolip> how can I downgrade a custom package I've installed myself (libcdparanoia0 3a9.8-11+foolip0) to the version in breezy? I've tried aptitude -t breezy install libcdparanoia0, without success
[01:19] <raptros-v76> no, im just trying to figure out how ubotu works
[01:19] <SoulPropagation> Ok, I just did a fresh install of 5.10 on my computer. When I boot into it (after screwing with the grub commands) I get to the "uncompressing...booting" part, then I get 10 segfaults, a circular dependancy, and a "Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!"
[01:19] <minerale> How can I search for currently intalled packages using apt-* ?
[01:20] <unreal_dr> biovore: i'll reboot and see how it goes
[01:20] <lior> any vpn hero?
[01:20] <foolip> minerale, dpkg -l | grep ^ii
[01:20] <Acidic> DBO
[01:20] <Acidic> Do you want Acidic as the name?
[01:21] <lior> hi
[01:21] <DBO> Acidic, no, just pate the link in here when you have it up
[01:21] <Acidic> DBO: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13003
[01:22] <lior> HEY ANYONE CAN HELP ME?
[01:22] <farruinn> Why can't ubuntu discover wireless networks automatically? (I always have to know the essid beforehand)
[01:22] <lior> PLEEEASE
[01:22] <farruinn> !ask
[01:22] <ubotu> Just ask. Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Information like hardware make, model and output of commands that you used pasted onto http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl is important.
[01:22] <SoulPropagation> What should I do?
[01:22] <DBO> Acidic, change inetd to standalone
[01:23] <lior> I'm willing to connect my vpn network at work
[01:23] <Acidic> DBO: Ok, why would that fix the problem.. is it cuz im running from CLI?
[01:23] <lior> and i never configured a vpn client on libux
[01:23] <shujin> anyone around that knows anything about palm devices?
[01:23] <DBO> Acidic, because inetd sucks for FTP?
[01:23] <Acidic> heh
[01:23] <lior> how do i configure vpn client on linux
[01:24] <Acidic> it starts now
[01:24] <Acidic> ty
[01:24] <DBO> np
[01:24] <lior> do i do it using ipsec?
[01:24] <DBO> do you have a VPN server already?
[01:24] <lior> hmm should i?
[01:24] <Acidic> DBO: Is the ftp directory specified somewhere? Because i dont remember seeing it in the .conf file
[01:24] <ompaul> lior, no, do this, http://openvpn.net/howto.html
[01:25] <lior> ok ompaul
[01:25] <Acidic> DBO : or is it the users home directory
[01:25] <lior> i will read and come back with questions
[01:25] <SoulPropagation> Anyone? =\
[01:25] <SciOly> Anyone know what could cause funny /sys behavior on reboot? :-\
[01:25] <ompaul> lior, no I will give you the additional information you need now
[01:25] <lior> ok
[01:25] <lior> go ahead
[01:25] <DBO> Acidic, I believe there is a DefaultRoot operator you can add in there to specify that
[01:25] <SoulPropagation> hey ompaul, you're smart, maybe you know!
[01:25] <DBO> you SHOULD set that to ~
[01:25] <SoulPropagation> Ok, I just did a fresh install of 5.10 on my computer. When I boot into it (after screwing with the grub commands) I get to the "uncompressing...booting" part, then I get 10 segfaults, a circular dependancy, and a "Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!"
[01:26] <Acidic> ok i think i remember that in the guide
[01:26] <lior> i just got a p12 file from my admin
[01:26] <Acidic> thankee
[01:26] <ompaul> lior, you need to get what are called the universe repos, I will have the bot send you the instructions on how to do that
[01:26] <bienlein> why
[01:27] <polpak> wb tonyyarusso  =)
[01:27] <farruinn> SoulPropagation: There may be a solution, but if it were me I'd just start over :/
[01:27] <tonyyarusso> Hey.
[01:28] <ompaul> lior, install the program using the synaptic package manager to - Menu: System -> Administration -> Snaptic, you should enjoy one of the best programs I ever had the pleasure to work with now :)
[01:28] <bienlein> why
[01:28] <HymnToLife> ompaul> ie ?
[01:28] <lior> once i will do that whats next?
[01:29] <ColD_7> i am wondering when will the official 6.06 come out
[01:29] <shujin> hmmm, no palm love in the room then...
[01:29] <bienlein> why
[01:29] <ColD_7> may is coming soon
[01:29] <ompaul> SoulPropagation, I have to agree with farruinn on that, I suggest however you only install the server version, as the machine starts to boot it pauses - do server and work from there
[01:29] <Corvix> cold: june? .06
[01:29] <HymnToLife> ColD_7> june 1st
[01:29] <HymnToLife> thus the number 6.06 eh
[01:29] <bienlein> why
[01:29] <ompaul> HymnToLife, it is not a web browser :-)
[01:29] <SoulPropagation> ompaul: couldn't hurt. I usually do that but this is a production machine ;)
[01:30] <ColD_7> oh, thanks
[01:30] <MilesPrower> Trying to get a Bluetooth mouse to work on a Dapper 6 fresh install + dist-upgraded, any clue?
[01:30] <ompaul> SoulPropagation, well then - live CD rescue data - reformat and run it
[01:30] <HymnToLife> ompaul> I asked what the program were, i.e. for the latin "Id est" :)
[01:30] <bienlein> why
[01:30] <charzero> Is there a way to tell dpkg that I installed something in /usr/local or /opt, and not to try to install the corresponding package when it is a dependency for something else?
[01:30] <HymnToLife> not the Interweb Exploder
[01:30] <SciOly> what program can tell me what's using a file systemw hen I try to unmount it?
[01:30] <ompaul> HymnToLife, sorry did not notice :-) thjought you were talking about a top level domain location
[01:31] <bienlein> why
[01:31] <SoulPropagation> ompaul: Fresh install :-p
[01:31] <farruinn> charzero: Not really... the best way to make dpkg aware of installed software is to install debs
[01:31] <bienlein> why
[01:31] <unreal_dr> biovore: the nvidia installer is nice. i've never used it
[01:31] <HymnToLife> damn
[01:31] <ompaul> SoulPropagation,  and only do the server part first
[01:31] <ompaul> HymnToLife, OpenVPN
[01:31] <unreal_dr> biovore: and it compiled the kernel module for 2.6.16 without a hiccup
[01:31] <TheOmnipotentWan> ls
[01:31] <TheOmnipotentWan> Oh man...
[01:31] <HymnToLife> bienlein> could you please stop repeating "why" over and over again ?
[01:32] <TheOmnipotentWan> That's really becoming a habit.
[01:32] <bienlein> no
[01:32] <unreal_dr> biovore: now nautilus is crashing...
[01:32] <SoulPropagation> ompaul: Yep, I got it ;)
[01:32] <HymnToLife> !ops
[01:32] <ubotu> Help! lilo, hedgemage, lamont, Keybuk, jdub, mdz, Amaranth, tritium, ajmitch, crimsun, ogra, CarlK, Seveas, Burgundavia, apokryphos, thoreauputic, nalioth, Madpilot, ompaul, rob or Hobbsee
[01:32] <Hobbsee> HymnToLife: ?
[01:32] <charzero> farruinn: hmm. thats going to become a pain very quickly.
[01:32] <nalioth> HymnToLife: yes?
[01:32] <ompaul> I got it
[01:32] <HymnToLife> check out bienlein's last messages :p
[01:32] <bienlein> why should he
[01:32] <apokryphos> =)
[01:32] <lior> ompaul i'm back
[01:33] <arrick> Evening all
[01:33] <lior> i updated my repositories
[01:33] <eddie_stone> how to install jude?
[01:33] <lior> whats next?
[01:33] <ompaul> lior, you install openvpn using synaptic and then you go by the faq
[01:34] <lior> i did it already
[01:34] <lior> i have openvpn installed
[01:34] <lior> i also installed kvpnc util
[01:34] <lior> that seems to be some kind of a gui for this util
[01:34] <lior> but i couldn't put it to work
[01:35] <bienlein> why
[01:35] <ompaul> lior, do it like it says in the faq
[01:35] <lior> ok trying again
[01:35] <ompaul> some people
[01:36] <ompaul> lior that FAQ will take you through using openVPN from start to finsih
[01:36] <MilesPrower> Trying to get a Bluetooth mouse to work on a Dapper 6, any clue?
[01:37] <ompaul> lior it takes a little planning but all the info is there
[01:37] <lior> ok
[01:37] <lior> one last question
[01:37] <charzero> farruinn: is use of "equivs" discouraged?
[01:37] <unreal_dr> biovore: and that's the issue... the keyboard buttons for Sleep, Wake Up and Power
[01:37] <lior> if i'm trying to connect a checkpoint vpn server
[01:37] <lior> would openvpn will do the work as well
[01:37] <marco_> hi what is the command for reset cups
[01:38] <ompaul> lior, that is outside of the scope of my knowledge, however you can vpn beyond the checkpoint using openvpn
[01:38] <bimberi> marco_: sudo invoke-rc.d cupsys restart
[01:38] <lior> ok i really apriciate your help
[01:38] <watson540> hello guys, this may sound like a stupid question for some, but as many years as i've used linux i still dont know how to un-install a program that i ghacve sompiled form source!!
[01:38] <lior> trying to digin
[01:38] <polpak> watson540, that depends on where you put it..
[01:38] <watson540> make clean just removed the files that were used in comiling i believe but it doesn't remove the bunariuy and libs
[01:39] <polpak> watson540, there isn't an easy answer unfortunately
[01:39] <watson540> im only doing this because all of a sudden out of the blue 'unrar' and unrar-free' wont unraer the rar file si need , and i know they are good files
[01:39] <TheOmnipotentWan> I'm led to believe that you pretty much have to find the files and delete them yourself.
[01:39] <ompaul> watson540, it depends on the instructions in the make file, I point you to checkinstall
[01:39] <tritium> watson540: that, in part, is why package management systems exist
[01:39] <watson540> ok, understood
[01:39] <polpak> watson540, generally when I compile from source I tell it to install everything to a particular directory in /opt that way I know where everything is
[01:39] <bimberi> watson540: if 'make install' was part of the process then 'make uninstall' might work
[01:39] <ompaul> watson540, assuming as tritium said :-)
 thanks
[01:40] <watson540> i would have installed unrar (non-free) from apt but i dont have that repo in my sources.list and dunno which repo non-free is
[01:40] <watson540> but thanks anyway :0
[01:40] <farruinn> charzero: I think equivs is the tool for cases like yours
[01:40] <TheOmnipotentWan> Non-free is the universe repo, I believe.
[01:40] <farruinn> charzero: I don't have much experience with it though
[01:40] <HymnToLife> watson540> search the wiki for it then :)
[01:40] <bimberi> no, multiverse and restricted are non-free
[01:41] <TheOmnipotentWan> Ah.
[01:41] <bimberi> !components
[01:41] <ubotu> The rationale behind the different components of the ubuntu repositories (main, restricted, universe, multiverse) is described at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[01:41] <shujin> Anyone have a syncing palm working in breezy?
[01:41] <arrick> whazzup bimberi
[01:41] <bimberi> hey arrick
[01:41] <amphi> watson540: where do you guys find all these rar files? I've never had to deal with one ;)
[01:41] <mzuverink> I would like a program(s) to go and get my email from gmail and then run it through spamassassin. I would then like it to store the mail locally. I would then like to get my mail from the local box and further process it via thunderbird or whatever.  What would I need to acheice this?  I need the programs to be available via an Ubuntu mirror. Or if you know of a nice How-to which would anser my question that would be great.
[01:41] <arrick> hey you heard from IdleOne lately bimberi ?
[01:42] <ompaul> TheOmnipotentWan, no its in multiverse
[01:42] <bimberi> arrick: no
[01:42] <watson540> ook thank you i will look into it
[01:42] <farruinn> charzero: checkinstall might help too
[01:42] <bimberi> !info unrar-nonfree
[01:42] <arrick> bimberi, man this has been a long move, from alabama to philly, now its been 2 months
[01:42] <ubotu> unrar-nonfree: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section multiverse/utils, is optional. Version: 3.4.3-1build1 (breezy), Packaged size: 83 kB, Installed size: 216 kB
[01:43] <arrick> ouch
[01:44] <ompaul> ohh no its spike :)
[01:44] <spike> any op around? is it possible to get the ban for tor nodes removed please?
[01:44] <tritium> no, spike
[01:44] <amphi> mzuverink: I use fetchmail to get mail from gmail
[01:44] <ompaul> spike that won't happen
[01:44] <spike> k
[01:44] <allheroesfall> hi everyone
[01:44] <mzuverink> amphi: where does fetchmail put your mail then?
[01:45] <Simulacra> hello
[01:45] <amphi> mzuverink: /var/mail/$USER
[01:45] <amphi> mzuverink: well, it throws it at postfix for that
[01:45] <allheroesfall> i am wondering how I can make my swap smaller then add the extra space to my main drive
[01:46] <mzuverink> amphi:do you know if that mail area is readable through like squirrelmail or any other web based email clients?
[01:46] <amphi> mzuverink: I use mutt as an MUA, and that reads the spool file directly
[01:46] <miguelsr> oigan porque en la terminal le pongo cd azureus y me sale bash: cd: azureus: No existe el fichero o el directorio
[01:47] <r0xoR> anyone know how to do multiple GDM logins?
[01:47] <mzuverink> amphi:I would like to throw in a web based email client to get my mail remotely
[01:47] <amphi> mzuverink: dunno, never set up a webmail; perhaps you need to run an imap server for that
[01:47] <monomaniacpat> Can anyone solve my dilemma? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=167026 I am willing to act as a surrogate mother, despite my gender
[01:47] <_jason> r0xoR: system tools > new login
[01:47] <r0xoR> there's gotta be a way to let someone else hop onto their account to check email or something without closing out my session
[01:47] <mzuverink> amphi: I think so
[01:47] <Simulacra> r0xoR: what do you mean by multiple?
[01:47] <amphi> mzuverink: why not either ssh and use mutt remotely, or run a pop3d/imapd ?
[01:47] <Simulacra> ah someone already got you
[01:47] <mzuverink> I think i am biting off too much
[01:48] <dark_fibre> does anybody here know how to setup boot from lan?
[01:48] <amphi> mzuverink: you'll probably find a howto for all this at tldp.org
[01:48] <bimberi> r0xoR: Applications -> System Tools -> New Login
[01:48] <allheroesfall> i am wondering how I can make my swap smaller then add the extra space to my main drive
[01:48] <bimberi> gah, missed it too
[01:48] <cafuego> mzuverink: Ane asy start would be to install uw-imapd. That will give you access to mail in /var/mail/ and stuff in ~/mbox or ~/Mail
[01:49] <mzuverink> amphi: that is an option too, my mom is just a big webmail fan but needs a good spam filtering aswell. She is afraid of anything but web based email. She is close to 75 and teaching an old dog new trick is sometimes very difficult
[01:50] <cafuego> mzuverink: squirrelmail always runs fine on `localhost' too ;-)
[01:50] <amphi> mzuverink: uhuh - then you must go with webmail ;)
[01:50] <r0xoR> ok so then after i've done "new login" how do i switch back to my current login without logging out of the "new login"
[01:51] <mzuverink> cafuego: using synaptic I selected squirrelmail and none of the dependencies are related to mail at all, php stuff and the like only
[01:51] <allheroesfall> i am wondering how I can make my swap smaller then add the extra space to my main drive
[01:51] <monomaniacpat> *pimp*  http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=167026 *pimp* -- ANYONE?
[01:51] <r0xoR> misfit_toy, sup
[01:51] <mzuverink> cafuego: and of course apache2
[01:52] <cafuego> mzuverink: Yep
[01:52] <unreal_dr> nautilus is dead
[01:52] <cafuego> mzuverink: squirrelmail doesn't *need* a local imap server (you can make it talk to any imap server, anywhere) so it woulnd't install one.
[01:52] <unreal_dr> keeps restarting
[01:52] <mzuverink> cafuego: How hard is it to configure squirrelmail, have you done it before?
[01:52] <cafuego> !forums 167026
[01:53] <mythicness> could someone please help me
[01:53] <mythicness> I need to install XDriver and am completely lost http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:XDriver
[01:53] <cafuego> mzuverink: It's *really* easy. It comes with a little perl script that just displays menus (text-based)
[01:53] <ssam> are the forums down?
[01:54] <TheOmnipotentWan> Seem to be.
[01:54] <ssam> maybe 100,000 users is just too many
[01:54] <cafuego> ssam: it would seem that way.
[01:54] <cafuego> Luckily the wiki lives.
[01:54] <SoulPropagation> ssam: ?
[01:54] <ssam> SoulPropagation, hi
[01:54] <mzuverink> cafuego: Since I need to get the mail from gmail for all users, fetchmail passes it off to postfix, and then will postfix place it in whatever type of folder/dir i specify?
[01:55] <mythicness> i have configured my xorg.conf
[01:55] <ssam> SoulPropagation, were you having mac problems earlier
[01:55] <mythicness> but i dont know how to install the actual driver
[01:55] <cafuego> mzuverink: By default, postfix delivers it to an mbox format mail file in /var/mail
[01:55] <mythicness> should i use dpkg or just normal make / make file ?
[01:55] <cafuego> mzuverink: If you install uw-imap, it can read those mail stores and interface with squirrelmail.
[01:55] <ssam> cafuego, we need a "ubuntu is full, no more users please" sign
[01:57] <mzuverink> cafeugo: are you gonna be around in like an hour and a half?  i need to go away for a bit, and i would like to be able to ask you a few more questions before i do this.
[01:57] <DBO> ssam, meh, we havnt even topped 700 yet
[01:57] <the_guy1> I want to upgrade from breezy to dapper but everytime i do it freezes when I select my US keyboard
[01:57] <ompaul> allheroesfall, I am not aware of anyone doing that, if you were to I would suggest just making the room available with a livecd using gparted for the repartioning not killing off the swap altogether remember the swap has to be on the same partition as it was before or you have to mount the drive and change /etc/fstab on the installed drive by hand - when done you have to then ad the space to the primary partition, however this seems like too much ef
[01:57] <ompaul> fort for very little gain, what size is your hard drive your linux space and your swap and is there anything else on the drive, also how much data have you got in /home
[01:58] <nickrud> mythicness, have you seen http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Ubuntu
[01:58] <fwp> hi
[01:58] <fwp> I installed ubuntu and I enabled root to login
[01:58] <ompaul> !root
[01:58] <ubotu> Direct login as the root user is disabled in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[01:58] <fwp> but it doesn't look like i've got access to do anything
[01:58] <mythicness> ill take a look thanks nickrud
[01:58] <fwp> when I login as root
[01:58] <monomaniacpat> I'm a desperate young maiden in dire need of some help
[01:58] <DBO> ok, whats the problem maiden?
[01:58] <fwp> monomaniacpat: yes, but are you a hot desperate young maiden?
[01:58] <ompaul> fwp that link ^^^ up a few lines that will tell you how to remove that access and deal with not having root
[01:58] <BlueSwirl> let down your hair, that'll solve it
[01:58] <monomaniacpat> my mum tells me so
[01:58] <allheroesfall> ompaul, i know how to use gparted i just don't know how to add the free space to my main partition
[01:59] <seraphim> yet more important...a female maiden?
[01:59] <lsuactiafner> desperate for a hot young maiden...
[01:59] <DBO> monomaniacpat, problem
[01:59] <monomaniacpat> I was following these guidelines.
[01:59] <mythicness> nickrud: that is ivtv, not the Xdriver
[01:59] <monomaniacpat> http://www.cwelug.org/cgi-bin/wiki.cgi?Wpc11v4#source
[02:00] <nickrud> mythicness, sorry, I just followed a howto link in their wiki
[02:00] <ompaul> allheroesfall, no idea if anyone ever did that was not on lvm
[02:00] <ssam> forums are back
[02:00] <DBO> monomaniacpat, ok, so erm, well done?  whats the issue?
[02:01] <HymnToLife> DBO> it's not working XD
[02:01] <DBO> yes, that much I gathered, but I wonder where
[02:01] <Determinist> ok, what have they done to xchat?!?
[02:01] <DBO> you see, my crastal ball is in a state of disrepair =P
[02:01] <monomaniacpat> sudo pump -i wlan0
[02:01] <monomaniacpat> Operation failed.
[02:01] <allheroesfall> ompaul, doesn't ubuntu use lvm ?
[02:01] <ompaul> allheroesfall, not unless you enabled it
[02:02] <HymnToLife> DBO> crystal balls suck, I use penguins guts :p
[02:02] <monomaniacpat> right near the end before pinging
[02:02] <allheroesfall> ompaul, and that when you first install it   right?>
[02:03] <DBO> monomaniacpat, "ifconfig" then post the results to pastebin
[02:03] <DBO> !paste
[02:03] <ubotu> Please don't flood the channel! For best results use the pastebin at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ and tell people the URL
[02:03] <DBO> (for your linking pleasure)
[02:03] <ompaul> allheroesfall, that is when I would use it, never tried converting stuff after (I imagine that it could be done but the phrase too much grief comes to mind)
[02:04] <mythicness> how do i find the path to X source?
[02:04] <fwp> ompaul
[02:04] <fwp> I can't do anything on this system
[02:04] <fwp> can't access network settings
[02:04] <j1p> Hey, i tried to compile the newest stable kernel from kernel.org (<IP_ADDRESS>), and ended up failing on booting, I got this output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13005, then got thrown to a busy box ash shell, im assuming i didnt configure the module for my XFS partitions(/ and /home) correctly, but im not sure
[02:04] <fwp> etc
[02:04] <monomaniacpat> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13006
[02:04] <Determinist> damnit, they've ruined my beloved X-chat :/
[02:05] <HymnToLife> Determinist> what's wron with Xchat ?
[02:05] <ompaul> fwp, you have done something totally none standard, is the user you are logged on with the initial user you created?
[02:05] <monomaniacpat> I had it up a minute ago with wlan0 - that might have been through the network connections gui
[02:05] <fwp> oaimage: yea
[02:05] <fwp> ompaul: yeah
[02:05] <Determinist> HymnToLife: did you see the new xchat on dapper beta?
[02:05] <HymnToLife> nopethat's why I'm sking ;)
[02:05] <HymnToLife> asking*
[02:05] <ompaul> fwp, got a terminal open?
[02:06] <Determinist> HymnToLife: you really dont want to :/
[02:06] <fwp> ompaul, yep
[02:06] <DBO> monomaniacpat, yeah, I see your problem now, "ifconfig wlan0 up"
[02:06] <mythicness> how do i find the path to X source?
[02:06] <iuso-voted> can anyone tell me what those VIO modules are in 90-modprobe.rules ?
[02:06] <jobezone> mythicness: how did you install the source of X?
[02:06] <ompaul> fwp, run this and give me the result please     >>> sudo id <<< and don't include the <> parts :)
[02:06] <HymnToLife> Determinist> souce compiling fun to go then I guess
[02:07] <fwp> uid=0(root)
[02:07] <fwp> etc
[02:07] <HymnToLife> it's been ages since I didn't compile anything
[02:07] <amphi> HymnToLife: you are compiling continuously?
[02:07] <eddie_stone> does anyone knows how to install jude?
[02:07] <Determinist> HymnToLife: less features, alot of annoying defaults, layout changed and not for the better.
[02:07] <TI_Uhl> hello
[02:07] <monomaniacpat> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13007 OK, there it is again, no change in circumstances
[02:07] <HymnToLife> except VLC since the Ubuntu build sucks
[02:08] <HymnToLife> less features.. Seems Linus was kind of right
[02:08] <DBO> monomaniacpat, you didnt do anything to cause it to suddenly show up?
[02:08] <bimberi> Determinist: xchat or schat-gnome?
[02:08] <TI_Uhl> does anyone know where i can get help setting up my pinnacle pctv stereo card ? i can't get it to work and it seems like there is little or no help on the forum or google ?
[02:08] <bimberi> *xchat-gnome
[02:08] <ompaul> fwp, so it appears that sudo can do stuff - please do this >>gksudo disks-admin<< see what happens
[02:08] <ompaul> fwp, the password it wants is the user fwp
[02:09] <monomaniacpat> no, Sorry, look at the link http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13007 - wlan is there again, but I still get operation failed
[02:09] <Determinist> bimberi: i have no idea really, it said xchat when i installed it. wasnt installed by default
[02:09] <mythicness> when i run make it returns:
[02:09] <mythicness> Run xmkmf /PATH_TO_X_SOURCE/
[02:09] <mythicness> can someone please tell me what to do?
[02:09] <Determinist> bimberi: wait, it says xchat-gnome 0.11 in the about box, does that mean there's still hope? :D
[02:09] <fwp> ompaul
[02:09] <_jason> mythicness: what are you compiling?
[02:09] <HymnToLife> mythicness> are you actually trying to compile X ?
[02:09] <fwp> it says command not found
[02:09] <fwp> disks-admin
[02:09] <fwp> ?
[02:10] <fwp> gksudo disks-admin
[02:10] <fwp> I did
[02:10] <TI_Uhl> does anyone know where i can get help setting up my pinnacle pctv stereo card ? i can't get it to work and it seems like there is little or no help on the forum or google ? anyone ?
[02:10] <DBO> monomaniacpat, try giving it a static IP
[02:10] <bimberi> Determinist: kk - most likely xchat then (which i haven't looked at)
[02:10] <_jason> fwp: are you running gnome?
[02:10] <jobezone> mythicness: by default you don't have the source code of programs in your disk.
[02:10] <mythicness> I am compiling IVTV's Xdriver
[02:10] <eddie_stone> jude
[02:10] <monomaniacpat> how do I go about doing that?
[02:10] <fwp> _jason: yes... I assume so... default install
[02:10] <ompaul> fwp, what did you install, please put all your items for me on one line? and are you running gnome brown desktop :)
[02:10] <fwp> i'm running ubuntu 5.10
[02:11] <ompaul> fwp, did you try to use any particular software to help your machine?
[02:11] <fwp> ?
[02:11] <fwp> no
[02:11] <fwp> but something failed in the install it said
[02:11] <DBO> monomaniacpat, "ifconifg wlan0 <ip>"
[02:11] <Determinist> my beloved xchat is back :)
[02:11] <mythicness> wow i am so lost
[02:11] <mythicness> grrr
[02:11] <ompaul> fwp, stop using the enter key, in the place of a comma, its very annoying and hard to follow
[02:11] <mythicness> spent 6 hours trying to get output going on my tv card so annoying
[02:11] <fwp> ok...
[02:12] <Determinist> phew, there's still the good old xchat here
[02:12] <ompaul> fwp, so it did not install correctly
[02:12] <HymnToLife> ompaul> you know, !enter kind of works ;)
[02:12] <HymnToLife> !enter
[02:12] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying.
[02:12] <monomaniacpat> patrick@ubuntu:~$ ifconifg wlan0 <<IP_ADDRESS>>
[02:12] <monomaniacpat> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[02:12] <_jason> mythicness: from what you pasted, it seems to jsut be isntructions to run a command
[02:12] <monomaniacpat> --?
[02:12] <j1p> guys I think my initrd/init scripts aren't working right, i just compiled a the newest kernel, but booting into it i get this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13005, any help?
[02:12] <_jason> monomaniacpat: I doubt you use <>
[02:12] <HymnToLife> monomaniacpat> without the ><
[02:12] <DBO> monomaniacpat, no <>
[02:12] <raptros-v76> Determinist: so you thought they screwed up xchat
[02:12] <DBO> oops, thanks guys!
[02:12] <jobezone> mythicness: to get the source of X, enter the directory where you want your source to be, and do 'apt-get source xserver-xorg'
[02:13] <monomaniacpat> patrick@ubuntu:~$ ifconifg wlan0 <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:13] <monomaniacpat> bash: ifconifg: command not found
[02:13] <DBO> you have a typo in ifconfig
[02:13] <harisund> monomaniacpat: What are you trying here? To connect your wireless to an essid? I think you should be using iwconfig instead of ifconfig here.
[02:13] <monomaniacpat> heh!
[02:13] <mythicness> all i need to know is /PATH_TO_X_SOURCE
[02:13] <Determinist> raptros-v76, well, yeah, you install the beta, open up what you know is xchat by the gnome menu and wham lol
[02:13] <mythicness> howcome thats so difficult?
[02:13] <ompaul> fwp, so it did not install correctly, was that an application or the actual install
[02:13] <fwp> ompaul, what do you suggest I do? it was a package
[02:13] <mythicness> oh ok
[02:13] <jobezone> mythicness: right, but for that you'll need to get the X SOURCE, the source code of X.
[02:13] <mythicness> thanks
[02:13] <mythicness> ill do that
[02:13] <HymnToLife> Determinist> gotta try it
[02:13] <DBO> harisund, no, she wants an IP from what I can tell... or at least thats what her walkthrough wants, I just blindly give what they want
[02:13] <ompaul> fwp, what package?
[02:13] <HymnToLife> will be great to make fun of GNOME
[02:14] <fwp> ompaul: can't remember...
[02:14] <ompaul> fwp, did you use the command line?
[02:14] <harisund> DBO: She wants an ip from where? if it is from an access point, dhclient should be used. Or are we talking static IP here?
[02:14] <jobezone> mythicness: create a temp directory,, and do the command I told you above.
[02:14] <monomaniacpat> Should this correct the prob - still getting operation failed
[02:14] <fwp> I did gksudo disks-admin
[02:14] <monomaniacpat> patrick@ubuntu:~$ sudo ifconfig wlan0 <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:14] <monomaniacpat> patrick@ubuntu:~$ sudo pump -k
[02:14] <monomaniacpat> patrick@ubuntu:~$ sudo pump -i wlan0
[02:14] <DBO> harisund, I think her NDISwrapper is fubared
[02:15] <scorchsaber> Hey, I'm having troubles with Java. Now, don't laugh, I want to play runescape :). Silly, but I've got the urge to. This has highlighted some problem: Java actually doesn't work with it--It loads a bit of the way through (maybe even getting into the game screen) but then just freezes. Do I need a newer version than 1.4 provided with Ubuntu?
[02:15] <DBO> but Im a NDIS n00b, you go ahead and take over
[02:15] <ompaul> monomaniacpat, STOP pasting we have paste.ubuntu-nl.org for that, thanks
[02:15] <harisund> DBO: oh ok. So what is your suggested fix?
[02:15] <monomaniacpat> OK
[02:15] <biovore> DBO: ndis emulated the windows kernel.. of course its fubared :-P
[02:15] <unreal_dr> biovore: lol
[02:15] <unreal_dr> biovore: good one
[02:15] <scorchsaber> One other thing: I'm trying to use Mozilla 1.5, which I just installed--not sure if thats the problem or not.
[02:16] <harisund> monomanicpat: Ok let's see what we have got. Do you have the patience to go over everything again?
[02:16] <DBO> harisund, I want to try giving her an entirely static assignment.  ESSID, Netmask, IP, the works
[02:16] <scorchsaber> Should I go to Java.com and install theirs somehow?
[02:16] <biovore> !java
[02:16] <HymnToLife> !tell scorchsaber about ff1.5
[02:16] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[02:16] <monomaniacpat> I guess so
[02:16] <zzz_> I can't print to a file in firefox.If i do it ,firefox will force close.Why?
[02:16] <jobezone> scorchsaber: and install the 'SUN java' mentioned in that ubuntu link.
[02:16] <monomaniacpat> here goes
[02:16] <harisund> DBO: I doubt static connection will work with a wireless access point. Have you ever tried it before? I was informed by someone static is only for wired ethernet. OF course I wcould be wrong.
[02:16] <fwp> ompaul: it says bash: command not found
[02:17] <DBO> harisund, you would be wrong
[02:17] <zzz_> Anybody has ideas about this
[02:17] <DBO> harisund, done it before many times
[02:17] <HymnToLife> fwp> which command ?
[02:17] <ompaul> fwp, when did you do the install?
[02:17] <scorchsaber> Hymtolife, I already HAVE firefox 1.5
[02:17] <fwp> about 3 hours ago
[02:17] <harisund> DBO: Oh glad to hear that. So in that case, what wireless access point would the card be associated with?
[02:17] <fwp> HymnToLife, gksudo disks-admin
[02:17] <harisund> Something that is forced through the interfaces file?
[02:17] <HymnToLife> hmm
[02:17] <scorchsaber> friggin eh...
[02:17] <HymnToLife> are you using GNOME ?
[02:17] <fwp> yes
[02:18] <HymnToLife> now THAT's weird
[02:18] <_jason> fwp: apt-cache policy gnome-system-tools | grep -i Installed
[02:18] <ompaul> HymnToLife, no bash could not find it - and they have gnome and enabled root - and who knows what else
[02:18] <DBO> harisund, you have to set the ESSID with iwconfig, and then set the ip and netmask with ifconfig
[02:18] <DBO> I dont need to set it permenantly, just temporarly
[02:18] <harisund> Ah ! Interesting. Now that's something I have never tried before.
[02:18] <__mikem> I always enable root, you never know when you need to repair your file system as I found out when I was on a trip a while ago
[02:19] <DBO> ...are you mocking me?
[02:19] <ompaul> fwp, okay, if I was handed your machine right now on my bench I would forget about the install, I would reinstall, and this time read wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo and don't enable root then come in here for help
[02:19] <harisund> DBO: But the thing is, monomaniacpat can't be using pump then, right?
[02:19] <jobezone> mythicness: has it downloaded the source?
[02:19] <zzz_> Anybody can help meI can't print to a file in firefox.If i do it ,firefox will force close.Why?
[02:19] <DBO> harisund, her idea, not mine
[02:19] <harisund> DBO: oh ok .
[02:19] <ssam> dbo, 700 people
[02:19] <HymnToLife> agrees*
[02:19] <lrosen> hey guys
[02:19] <DBO> ssam, we hit 760 before
[02:19] <lrosen> can I ask something
[02:19] <DBO> yes
[02:19] <HymnToLife> lrosen> no you can't
[02:19] <lrosen> k
[02:20] <DBO> hes kidding
[02:20] <biovore> lolz
[02:20] <DBO> ask
[02:20] <lrosen> I have a firewall drive connected to my machine
[02:20] <HymnToLife> it's forbidden hre, do you think you're in a help channel ?
[02:20] <polpak> !justask
[02:20] <ubotu> Ask your question and we'll try to answer it.
[02:20] <fwp> Installed (none)
[02:20] <lrosen> it didnt automount (XFCE)
[02:20] <fwp> _jason
[02:20] <lrosen> how can I check what device it is
[02:20] <ssam> dbo i bet you get to 1000 on dapper release day
[02:20] <polpak> lrosen, you mean firewire?
[02:20] <lrosen> sorry
[02:20] <lrosen> firewire
[02:20] <DBO> ssam, think that might qualify as a DoS attack...
[02:20] <ompaul> !enter
[02:20] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and is annoying.
[02:20] <juztin> how do i burn iso's with ubuntu?
[02:20] <_jason> fwp: replace gnome-system-tools with ubuntu-desktop and see what it says
[02:21] <ompaul> DBO, no its just getting where hit should do :-)
[02:21] <HymnToLife> juztin> k3b
[02:21] <polpak> juztin, right click select write cd?
[02:21] <monomaniacpat> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/13008
[02:21] <lrosen> can I get a connected HD device listing?
[02:21] <fwp> _jason: Installed: (none) :/
[02:21] <_jason> fwp: did you say your install did not complete?
[02:21] <amphi> juztin: I like cdrecord
[02:21] <jobezone> mythicness: if so, you need to give the path in front of the program you're running. It's probably '<directory where you ran the apt-get source command and all the stuff got downloaded>/xorg-x11-6.9.0.dfsg.1/xc/'
[02:21] <fwp> _jason: yeah
[02:21] <sun_> hi whats the easist way to copy a dvd
[02:21] <ompaul> Irosen click on system administration disks
[02:22] <lrosen> im in XFCE, not gnome
[02:22] <juztin> k3b looks user friendly...gonna give it a shot :)
[02:22] <_jason> ompaul: do you think it would work to just try installing ubuntu-desktop for fwp?
[02:22] <mian1ak> does the standard ubuntu cd contain kubutu and xubuntu?
[02:22] <ompaul> _jason, check space first :-)
[02:22] <Sionide> mian1ak, nope
[02:22] <HymnToLife> juztin> k3b is maybe the best CD burning app ever
[02:22] <mian1ak> Sionide, ok ty
[02:22] <harisund> monomaniacpat: Is Big_Mutha the wireless network that you are trying to connect to?
[02:22] <sun_> hi whats the easist way to copy a dvd
[02:22] <_jason> fwp: how much free space do you have on the drive?
[02:22] <monomaniacpat> yers
[02:22] <Sionide> mian1ak, they're a short command away though once the standard ubuntu is installed..
[02:22] <harisund> And do you own that? As in, can you change its settings etc?
[02:23] <sysop_> sun_: k3b ;-)
[02:23] <ompaul> mian1ak, you could install the "server" and then install kubuntu-desktop
[02:23] <Sionide> mian1ak, open a terminal and do "sudo apt-get install xubuntu" and it'll install all the relevant packages, there are proper HOWTOs on the wiki and stuff
[02:23] <lrosen> is there anyway to get a listing of active devices?
[02:23] <zzz_> What's wrong with my firefox.I can't print anything.But i can print in openoffice.Would anybody please help me or give me some hints,thanks in advance
[02:23] <HymnToLife> Sionide> xubuntu-desktop, more likely
[02:23] <fwp> _jason: 2.2G
[02:23] <Sionide> HymnToLife, aye.. close enough :) (oops)
[02:23] <_jason> fwp: free, not total correct?
[02:23] <ompaul> mian1ak, as machine pauses while booting you can type server then when it wakes up afterward you can do >>>sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop<<<
[02:23] <fwp> yes
[02:24] <_jason> fwp: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, cross your fingers
[02:24] <fwp> 3.8G total, it's a shit box.
[02:24] <mian1ak> ompaul, Sionide ok i get it, thanks :)
[02:24] <ompaul> fwp, we don't do any bad language here - rather rigid about that
[02:24] <jobezone> zzz_: can you print with gnome apps, like gedit?
[02:25] <lrosen> can anyone tell me howto get a listing of connected devices
[02:25] <polpak> fwp, you can fit ubuntu into a couple of gigs and still have room to work with. It's really pretty small
[02:25] <monomaniacpat> yes big_mutha is my router/ network
[02:25] <zzz_> jobezone,thanks.I can print it with gedit successfully
[02:25] <polpak> lrosen, dmesg ?
[02:25] <jobezone> lrosen: what do you mean? conected peripherals? 'lspci' and 'lsusb' give you the pci and usb devices on your computer.
[02:25] <harisund> monomaniacpat: And how have you configured it? Do you have any other computer connected to it?
[02:25] <HymnToLife> lrosen> lspci
[02:26] <polpak> jobezone, it's a firewire HD
[02:26] <ompaul> fwp, 3.8 yuk -- install server and xfce-desktop and gdm if it fails again, I think that is that is too small to get any reasonable use from the box
[02:26] <lrosen> jobezone: im looking for firewire prefs
[02:26] <jobezone> zzz_: are you using ubuntu's firefox, or did you install a different version from firefox website?
[02:26] <monomaniacpat> I do have an xp and osx mac connected, though not right now
[02:26] <zzz_> and I remember i can print with firefox before.
[02:27] <Stormchaser> I have a question: Are there any known problems with libgtk / libgdk in the dapper repository?
[02:27] <zzz_> jobezone,yes .i am using ubuntu's firefox and i did't install other versions
[02:27] <harisund> monomaniacpat: One last question. Is it encrypted? As in using a WEP key?
[02:27] <monomaniacpat> yes
[02:27] <harisund> monomaniacpat: WEP, right?
[02:27] <cafuego> firewire prefs?
[02:27] <monomaniacpat> yes
[02:27] <zzz_> I got nothing from system logs
[02:28] <harisund> monomaniacpat: Ok. Here the first command. "sudo iwconfig wlan0 mode managed essid Big_Mutha key <enter_your_key>"
[02:28] <harisund> monomaniacpat: And here is your second command. "sudo pump -i wlan0"
[02:28] <jobezone> lrosen: firewire preferences? mmm.. not sure if you can change the preferences of firewire, without recompiling linux (kernel). But, have a look at the /proc directory. This is a special directory showing all kinds of information of linux and your system. There are directories, and files there. For example, /proc/cpuinfo tell you all about your CPU.
[02:28] <harisund> monomaniacpat: Hopefully that should get your machine connected, considering that your Windows and Mac machines could connect and wlan0 is identified (it would have been a pain if it hadn't)
[02:29] <zzz_> Does printing with firefox rely on any other services except for cups?
[02:29] <harisund> monomaniacpat: Any luck? trying out the command?
[02:29] <jobezone> zzz_: when did it stop working? No, I think it uses cups... It crashes, you say?
[02:29] <TheOmnipotentWan> I'm trying to compile amaroK from source, but it tells me I don't have xine-lib.
[02:29] <DBO> harisund, patience, typing that key is slow =P
[02:29] <TheOmnipotentWan> Anyone know which package that would be?
[02:29] <monomaniacpat> harisund: get ready to make babies lover boy!
[02:30] <harisund> monomaniacpat: hmmm... do I assume it worked then?
[02:30] <monomaniacpat> yessirree - tonights you
[02:30] <Determinist> ok, i want msttcorefonts back :/
[02:30] <monomaniacpat> * lucky night *lunges*
[02:30] <DBO> clean it up when you are done
[02:30] <jobezone> zzz_: it definitelly uses CUPS, so if it's not working with firefox, but working with others, it's a bug with firefox. There's an easy fix you can try... removing and reinstalling firefox. You want to try it? If so, say so, and I can help.
[02:30] <harisund> monomaniacpat: Glad to hear that it worked. By the way, where did you get pump from?
[02:30] <zzz_> When i  clicked "print" ,firefox will be forced close.jobezone
[02:30] <DBO> harisund, its in the repos
[02:30] <lrosen>  I just want to mount my EXT3 external firewire drive in XFCE
[02:30] <harisund> monomaniacpat: pump is not installed by default in Ubuntu. dhclient is the preferred dhcp client. Pump is used I think in Mepis and a few other distros.
[02:31] <lrosen> can someone help me
[02:31] <zzz_> Yes,jobezone,i 'll do it
[02:31] <HymnToLife> zzz_> have you tried running it from the comand line and seeing if anything is displayed when it crshes ?
[02:31] <zzz_> One second
[02:31] <harisund> DBO: yes, I too had installed pump once. Its a nice piece of software too, but somehow doesn't give the same descriptive status while connecting as pump does, but pump just seems better at times.
[02:32] <zzz_> No,HymnToLife.Oh, good idea,i 'll try it firstly
[02:32] <DBO> harisund, so pumps error was caused because it needed an ESSID?
[02:32] <DBO> (and the key)
[02:32] <harisund> More so I think because it needed the key.
[02:32] <monomaniacpat> synaptci
[02:32] <monomaniacpat> *ic
[02:32] <DBO> harisund, I see, should have thought of that one... I guess thats another one for my black book
[02:32] <harisund> DBO: And from the PasteBoard id that monomaniacpat has posted earlier,I am assuming pump was looking in the wrong place for an ip.
[02:33] <zzz_> /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/mozilla-fire fox/components/libgfxps.so: undefined symbol: FTC_Image_Cache_New
[02:33] <harisund> DBO: Great. Good to know everything worked out fine.
[02:33] <monomaniacpat> I tried ripping out the wired connection and I can't access web pages - how do I know the wireless is working/ how do I get it to work unwired
[02:33] <zzz_> HymnTolife and jobezone,i got the error messages
[02:33] <jobezone> lrosen: sorry, I never played with external firewire hardrives in my life... But you could check something. Unplug the hardrive. then run in a command line 'sudo tail -f /var/log/messages' . Then plug the hardrive, and see the new output from the terminal. Then paste it in the Pastebin (link is in the topic of the channel).
[02:33] <harisund> monomanicpat: The output of ifconfig tells what is connected and what is not.
[02:34] <HymnToLife> zzz_> at least you have something to work on :p can't help you with it though...
[02:34] <jobezone> zzz_: then paste them in the pastebin website.
[02:34] <monomaniacpat> ?
[02:34] <harisund> monomaniacpat: execute "ifconfig" on your command line. If possible, past the output onto PasteBoard,and I will walk you through how to read it.
[02:34] <scorchsaber> I installed Java off of their website, according to the Wiki, but now I can't run Java at all in mozilla firefox
[02:34] <scorchsaber> It wants me to install plugins
[02:34] <scorchsaber> how do I fix this?
[02:35] <harisund> scorchsaber: Are you able to see information relating to Java when you type about:plugins in your Firefox address bar?
[02:35] <_jason> scorchsaber: what version of firefox and what verison of ubuntu?
[02:35] <scorchsaber> 1.5, 5.10
[02:35] <disco_stu> Hi Everybody
[02:35] <_jason> scorchsaber: you need to manually create symlinks in the firefox/plugins directory
[02:35] <eobanb_> hi, disco_stu
[02:35] <harisund> scorchsaber: Are we talking about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[02:35] <monomaniacpat> OK... hang on - I think I understand the information - I'd just like to know why I can't disconnect the wire now - ?
[02:36] <dbarnett> I have a question on that line too. I seem to be missing a bunch of fonts in my flash plugin (yes I installed the gsfonts and gsfonts-x11)
[02:36] <harisund> monomaniacpat: Once you know your wireless is up, you can stop your wired connection using "sudo ifconfig eth0 down" then you can safely remove the ethernet wire.
[02:36] <scorchsaber> How do I make a symbolic link?
[02:37] <harisund> scorchsaber: The instructions are in the wiki.
[02:37] <polpak> dbarnett, have you installed msttcorefonts ?
[02:37] <DBO> scorchsaber, man ln
[02:37] <disco_stu> Can anybody give me some advice here...  I am trying to use Amule - but it says that port 4662 is not available...  I have allowed that port in my router - but it still doesn't work?  Any ideas?
[02:37] <dbarnett> polpak: I don't think so, just installed what was in the wiki
[02:37] <bimberi> scorchsaber: ln -s /path/to/target /path/to/link
[02:37] <scorchsaber> The WIKI said to go to the OFFICIAL page if I have an unnoficial built (such as 1.5)
[02:37] <scorchsaber> thank you bimberi
[02:37] <polpak> dbarnett, well you might want them as they're fairly common
[02:37] <harisund> monomaniacpat: And once again, if you want to stop wireless and start wired, you would do "sudo ifconfig wlan0 down" "sudo ifconfig eth0 up" "sudo pump -i eth0"
[02:37] <dbarnett> trying that now. Thanks!
[02:37] <polpak> dbarnett, in the ms world anyway
[02:37] <ShadowNova> Does anyone know where I can easily get "libvisual0.2"
[02:38] <harisund> scorchsaber: Which wiki page are you talking about?
[02:38] <harisund> scorchsaber: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins has everything nicely.
[02:38] <_jason> !+find libvisual0.2
[02:38] <ubotu> already running (debian, ubuntu) => exceeded allowed forked processes count (1?).
[02:38] <_jason> uh huh...
[02:38] <HymnToLife> shadow > http://www.google.com
[02:38] <dbarnett> polpak: hmm, still no flash (www.strangeradventures.com example)
[02:38] <HymnToLife> ShadowNova*
[02:39] <ShadowNova> I did google it, but what I found wouldn't install
[02:39] <bimberi> _jason: sorry, i'm running it in /query
[02:39] <_jason> bimberi: ah :)
[02:39] <jobezone> disco_stu: you also need to open that port in ubuntu. Firestarter is a easy GUI to do it.
[02:39] <polpak> dbarnett, yeah. me either
[02:39] <polpak> dbarnett, complain to the website that they need to embed their fonts =p
[02:39] <scorchsaber> uhhh...stupid question that I've wondered about for a while: In the console, how do I get into a subfolder without cd (thewholedamnpath)?
[02:39] <dbarnett> heh
[02:40] <jobezone> disco_stu: I usually open 3 ports for amule, the ones mentioned in the configuration window of amule.
[02:40] <zzz_> jobezone,i got something from google
[02:40] <bimberi> _jason: ... and got no results
[02:40] <bimberi> :)
[02:40] <harisund> scorchsaber: if you find out a way to do so, please do let me also know :)
[02:40] <HymnToLife> scorchsaber> you don't, that's what cd is for, why do you neet something else ?
[02:40] <monomaniacpat> harisund: still there? my connections dieing I think
[02:40] <scorchsaber> ...
[02:40] <zzz_> "Reverting to use libfreetype v6.3.5 (the one that comes with hoary) resolved the problem."
[02:40] <harisund> monomaniacpat: Yeah I am here. What happned?
[02:40] <harisund> monomaniacpat: Connection is dying in the sense?
[02:40] <scorchsaber> HymToLife: So I can, for instance, explore, rather than having to go deep in, and type long
[02:40] <scorchsaber> Sometimes I don't know where everything is
[02:40] <scorchsaber> so I dir
[02:40] <scorchsaber> and then cd the whole damened thing again
[02:41] <disco_stu> How do I use firestarter?
[02:41] <jobezone> scorchsaber: going up is 'cd ..', or you can enter a directory bellow your own with 'cd directory_name', and of course, like you did, 'cd all/the/path'
[02:41] <_jason> !info libvisual0.2
[02:41] <zzz_> How can i check the version of libfreetype in ubuntu
[02:41] <harisund> scorchsaber: You could use some command line explorer sort of a tool.. mc is a powerful tool.. anybody know any others?
[02:41] <HymnToLife> scorchsaber> ls /path/to/dir will list all the files and subdirs of it
[02:41] <dbarnett> Is there someone I could talk to here about getting someone unbanned?
[02:41] <zzz_> What commads should i user
[02:41] <polpak> dbarnett, the ops?
[02:41] <scorchsaber> HymTolife: That involves just as much typing
[02:41] <zith> what do people generally use for an imap mail server?
[02:41] <dbarnett> yes, I'm asking if any of them wish to talk to me:)
[02:41] <scorchsaber> Hymtolife: If not more
[02:42] <scorchsaber> no, just as much
[02:42] <HymnToLife> I don't really get what you want to do
[02:42] <polpak> dbarnett, Seveas might be around if you ask for him by name =)
[02:42] <_jason> ShadowNova: it doesn't seem to be in breezy, but it is in dapper fyi
[02:42] <dbarnett> Seveas: are you around and willing to be kowtowed to
[02:43] <disco_stu> I didn't have firestarter installed - does that matter?
[02:43] <IYY> how would I change xsettings (mainly the icon theme for epiphany and nautilus) without gnome?
[02:43] <bimberi> dbarnett: '/msg ubotu ops' and look for any of those nicks being active in the channel
[02:43] <Fensta> guh I still cant get dual boot to work
[02:43] <Fensta> I need some help people
[02:43] <dbarnett> thanks
[02:43] <Fensta> I installed ubuntu.. and grub... but it still goes into windows
[02:43] <bimberi> dbarnett: np :)
[02:43] <amphi> Fensta: the grub info pages have many useful examples
[02:43] <Fensta> I dont get the grub option
[02:43] <jobezone> zzz_: you probably have the package libfreetype6 ('apt-cache show libfreetype6')
[02:44] <HymnToLife> Fensta> You have to tell your BIOS to boot from the drive where GRUB is installe, I assume you have more than one
[02:44] <jobezone> zzz_: can you give me that link you read?
[02:44] <Fensta> yes... and it is partitioned
[02:44] <Fensta> sata drive
[02:44] <Fensta> but I think it is seeing my pata drive first
[02:44] <scorchsaber> How do I know exactly where the parts of a package are installed?
[02:45] <Fensta> my sata drive is parttioned 3 times..... 1 winxp and 1 linux and 1 swap
[02:45] <HymnToLife> scorchsaber> in the package's info page in Synapric
[02:45] <monomaniacpat> I tried the steps you suggested and it just stops altogether
[02:45] <monomaniacpat> The only way I got it back up was to open network connections and deactivate/ activate
[02:45] <monomaniacpat> argh, my connection is vadged
[02:45] <HymnToLife> you havec an "Installed files" tab
[02:45] <monomaniacpat> hello?
[02:45] <scorchsaber> where is the info page?
[02:45] <HymnToLife> don't remeber exactly, just look around for it
[02:46] <Fensta> HymnToLife...do you think my mbr is on a different drive?
[02:46] <scorchsaber> Do you mean Properties?
[02:46] <jobezone> scorchsaber: you can use synaptic, and right-click a package, and choose properties (I think). The window that pops-up has a list of installed files of the package.
[02:46] <HymnToLife> Fensta> each drive has it's own MBR
[02:46] <zzz_> jobezone.http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=257705&page=6
[02:46] <HymnToLife> scorchsaber> mybe, somethink like that, I'm not on my Ubuntu atm
[02:47] <disco_stu> Is there a firewall automatically installed with Ubuntu?
[02:47] <HymnToLife> disco_stu> yes, it's called iptables
[02:47] <monomaniacpat> My connection is all over the place at the moment - hopefully it's better now
[02:47] <Fensta> well I dont get it HymnToLife.... I fixed my mbr... then reinstalled and it still isnt showing up
[02:47] <disco_stu> How do I edit it?
[02:47] <_jason> !firewall
[02:47] <ubotu> Ubuntu has, like every other linux distribution, firewalling built into the kernel. A simple frontend to this firewall is firestarter, which can be installed via synaptic.
[02:47] <monomaniacpat> I put eth0 down and it all just STOPPED
[02:48] <Fensta> any ideas HymnToLife?
[02:48] <HymnToLife> Fensta> as I told you, ech drie has its own MBR. On your IDE drive's MBR there is the Windows boot loader and on your SATA's there is GRUB
[02:48] <amphi> disco_stu: or use iptables(8); there are howtos and other docs at netfilter.org
[02:48] <HymnToLife> so you have to tell your BIOS you want to use your SATA's MBR to boot
[02:48] <Fensta> my sata has winxp and linux
[02:48] <Fensta> the ide is just storage
[02:48] <robert__> hi there
[02:48] <Fensta> and my bios is set to boot from the sata
[02:49] <scorchsaber> Java is now working, at least, it seems to be
[02:49] <HymnToLife> then GRUB didn't install properly I guess
[02:49] <Fensta> but it keeps loading xp
[02:49] <robert__> I just installed this ysytem but never asked me for the root passwd and I am crazy now
[02:49] <Fensta> HymnToLife.. I have done it several times to ensure :\
[02:49] <robert__> is there a way to fix this?
[02:49] <Fensta> I think it is perhaps installing to the wrong place or something
[02:49] <jobezone> zzz_: mmm... that post was made in  05-01-2005 . And you did say that it worked once... Do you have a postscript printer (as it's what happened to that guy)?
[02:49] <bimberi> !tell robert__ about root
[02:49] <amphi> Fensta: you never see the grub screen?
[02:49] <Fensta> never amphi
[02:49] <synobazz> hey every1
[02:49] <Fensta> makes no sense
[02:49] <robert__> yes
[02:49] <HymnToLife> and you're not getting the GRUB menu ?
[02:50] <amphi> Fensta: try booting off a livecd and reinstalling grub
[02:50] <Fensta> no... however it asked if I wanted to install it to the mbr.. and I chose yes.. and it did
[02:50] <bimberi> robert__: ubuntu uses sudo (check for a /msg from ubotu)
[02:50] <synobazz> please help me: how do i atom. connect to a smb share at start up?
[02:50] <HymnToLife> or maybe it installed on your IDE, try booting from it
[02:50] <Fensta> but it installed hd0 and I wonder if that is the IDE drive instead of the sata
[02:50] <zith> !tell zith about root
[02:50] <synobazz> autom.
[02:50] <amphi> Fensta: boot off the cd, mount the hd / somewhere, chroot to it, and run grub-install
[02:50] <HymnToLife> Fensta> I think so too, try booting from it
[02:51] <Fensta> so take the boot flag off of my sata and put it on for the ide?
[02:51] <amphi> Fensta: grub doesn't care about the bootable flag
[02:51] <HymnToLife> Fensta> just put your IDE in First Boot Device in your BIO
[02:51] <jobezone> zzz_: when firefox crashes, do you get the same error as that guy in that linuxquestions post?
[02:51] <synobazz> ??? is it possible anyhow ?? (i mean, i know that it is possible, but how??)
[02:51] <scorchsaber> Java still won't run runescape--any ideas why?
[02:51] <zzz_> Yes,jobezone.I have a postscript printer
[02:52] <Fensta> so the bootable flag doesnt matter.. just what mbr the pc finds first?
[02:52] <HymnToLife> exactly
[02:52] <Fensta> ok
[02:52] <Fensta> let me give this stuff a try
[02:52] <HymnToLife> which is the one you tell the BIOS to boot at first
[02:52] <Fensta> thx amphi and HymnToLife.. ill bbiab.. hopefully on linux
[02:52] <HymnToLife> if it doesn't find any, it boots from the second and so on
[02:53] <synobazz> how do i autom. connect to a smb share on start up...maybe even @ booting??
[02:53] <zzz_> Oh,jobezone.I remember that i installed http://archive.ubuntu.org.cn/ubuntu/pool/main/f/freetype/libfreetype6_2.1.10-1ubuntu1_i386.deb to make my ubuntu looking nice in chinese
[02:53] <VR_> are the repo servers slow for any of you?
[02:54] <zzz_> So...Maybe this is the problem.Right?
[02:55] <_harm> 2
[02:55] <capiCrimm> VR_, they were crapping out on me earlier(i.e. download speed of around 0)
[02:55] <jobezone> zzz_:mmm, that's a more recent version than the one that exists in breezy. So yeah, that could be the problem.
[02:55] <VR_> ah, ok, so it's not my connection.
[02:55] <VR_> it's about 50kbps here
[02:55] <jobezone> zzz_: if you have the same problem as that guy. But you can install again the breezy one. It's here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Fmain%2Ff%2Ffreetype%2Flibfreetype6_2.1.7-2.4ubuntu1_i386.deb&md5sum=e81b03be87a6b125385f7d40ee8d8fc7&arch=i386&type=main
[02:55] <VR_> usually 500 though
[02:56] <zzz_> Thank you very much,jobezone.
[02:56] <capiCrimm> VR_, yeah, sometimes they slow down or get really slow. It might help if you switch your area or try a mirror in sources.lst.
[02:57] <jobezone> zzz_: download from one of the mirrors, then install it using 'sudo dpkg -i libfretypeblahablah.deb' (Iassume you're on intel 32bits).
[02:57] <jobezone> zzz_: you're welcome :)
[02:57] <VR_> capiCrimm: thanks, will do
[02:57] <mike> Kind of new to linux just wondering, is it possible to have gnome and KDE on one system?
[02:57] <zith> what is the best way to transfer many files and folders over sftp?  i don't see a command in `sftp`
[02:57] <zzz_> But i think i'd better leave it along,because i need to display chinese fold type correctly.
[02:57] <dbarnett> mike: you can have them both installed
[02:57] <HymnToLife> mike> yes, and even more if you ant
[02:58] <mike> Is it hard to set up?
[02:58] <dbarnett> mike: use the synaptic package manager should be easy
[02:58] <jobezone> zzz_: ah.. and that was the only way to do it? install the new version? That sucks....
[02:58] <HymnToLife> mike> no, I assume you're in gnome than run sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop to install KDE
[02:58] <dbarnett> or you could download a kubuntu live cd and play with that to see if you like that better
[02:59] <_harm> mike i prefered KDE over Gnome but in dapper GNOME is really sexy
[02:59] <zzz_> Yes.i am a newbie of ubuntu.Maybe one day,i 'll get a better method to fix it.jobezone.Thanks again!!!
[02:59] <mike> jbarnett, if I install KDE too, how does the system know which one manager to boot? Does sysnaptic work that out for me?
[03:00] <polpak> mike, on the login screen you can choose
[03:00] <drexelxxxx> test
[03:00] <HymnToLife> mike> you choose which environment you want to run at the login screen
[03:00] <jobezone> zzz_: you're welcome. Enjoy your stay!
[03:00] <polpak> mike, under session
[03:00] <synobazz> please help me
[03:00] <TheOmnipotentWan> What're the big differences between Gnome in Dapper and Gnome in Breezy?
[03:00] <dbarnett> apparenltly it got sexy
[03:00] <TheOmnipotentWan> I don't remember it giving me a stip-tease.
[03:01] <_harm> TheOmnipotentWan it got sexier, orange instead of brown/caramel and it loads faster and its just pleasing to the eyes
[03:01] <ssam_> wow, dapper beta 2 already https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-April/000072.html
[03:01] <{alejandro}> yeah
[03:01] <mike> thanks for the help guys
[03:01] <TheOmnipotentWan> I noticed the orange, yeah.
[03:01] <{alejandro}> and the artwork is better
[03:01] <{alejandro}> in general
[03:01] <rfm> If I knew what versions of gnome were in dapper and breezy, I could tell you to look on the gnome website for "whats new in 2.xx"...
[03:01] <HymnToLife> mike> you're welcome :)
[03:01] <_harm> true
[03:01] <TheOmnipotentWan> Although I changed the theme about five minutes after installing it.
[03:01] <_harm> why?
[03:01] <TheOmnipotentWan> But I haven't noticed any real appreciable difference in speed.
[03:01] <{alejandro}> now I forget, does dapper use svg icons by default now?
[03:02] <{alejandro}> (I don't remember because I normally use Tango icons)
[03:02] <jobezone> rfm: dapper has 2.14, breezy 2.12
[03:02] <TheOmnipotentWan> I think dapper uses default gnome icons.
[03:02] <TheOmnipotentWan> Or at least it did when I installed flight 6.
[03:02] <HymnToLife> version number incremented by .02
[03:02] <{alejandro}> yeah thought so
[03:02] <HymnToLife> that means 2 features removed :D
[03:02] <{alejandro}> default gnome icons blow
[03:02] <{alejandro}> why haven't they fixed this
[03:02] <TheOmnipotentWan> Yeah, they're terrible.
[03:03] <TheOmnipotentWan> Or at least they're terrible with the themes I like.
[03:03] <{alejandro}> well they aren't SVG and they really ought to be
[03:03] <{alejandro}> well mostly not svg
[03:04] <slacker_1> anyone have any dist-upgrade problems from 5.04 to 5.10??
[03:04] <{alejandro}> I never did when I did it
[03:05] <_harm> slacker_1 no
[03:06] <mike> When I install KDE, can I still access my gnome applications?
[03:07] <theshibboleth> Not a directly ubuntu-related question but anyway maybe this has happened to others here--I accidently deleted the bookmarks folder in Firefox. I can still see the bookmarks, but I can't manage them. How can i fix this?
[03:07] <jobezone> mike: Yes! and vice-versa (while in Gnome, acess KDE apps)
[03:07] <slacker_1> harnthanks my burners broke and all i have is warty and hoary cd's:)
[03:07] <synobazz> how do i auto connect to a network share on startup???
[03:08] <mshade> synobazz, nfs or smb?
[03:08] <crook> theshibboleth the solution is to use http://del.icio.us bookmars :}
[03:08] <synobazz> smb
[03:08] <mike> sorry for all the questions, just dont want to mess things up.  Try searching at http://ubuntu.cc.com.au/
[03:08] <TheOmnipotentWan> If the latter...Just restore it.
[03:08] <mshade> ubotu, samba
[03:08] <ubotu> it has been said that samba is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SettingUpSamba or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html
[03:09] <mshade> synobazz, :)
[03:09] <synobazz> thank u
[03:09] <drexelxxxx> Does Ubuntu keep all of their repositories updated? for example I don't like it when I want to install something and Glibc version isn't high enough to run certain programs.
[03:09] <thomasM> hello i've been trying to figure out what to do with zeroconf. I have the panel applet, however when i click on a network service, nothing is launched or happens.
[03:10] <_jason> drexelxxxx: ubuntu makes a stable release every 6 months and the provides security updates
[03:10] <TheOmnipotentWan> Yeah, the repos are kept updated.
[03:10] <drexelxxxx> thx
[03:10] <dbarnett> thomasM: what do you want to use zeroconf for?
[03:10] <thomasM> enable all repositories...
[03:10] <thomasM> dbarnett: DAAP.
[03:10] <drexelxxxx> I'm not complaining at all, but I was just wondering
[03:10] <slacker_1> theshibboleth: should have a backup file and original in .mozilla/firefox/<profile-name) i would think
[03:10] <drexelxxxx> for a free distro i'm very greatful
[03:11] <thomasM> If i click on a network DAAP share, should it be launching rhythmbox to browse the service, or not?
[03:11] <_harm> drexelxxxx which non free distro do u like ?
[03:11] <drexelxxxx> Xandros
[03:11] <thomasM> or is zeroconfig just there to show what's available to you, and you have to go pick up all of the clients yourself?
[03:11] <drexelxxxx> it is pretty nice
[03:12] <drexelxxxx> nicer than suse in my opinion
[03:12] <_harm> urm..
[03:12] <drexelxxxx> I can't do without apt
[03:12] <theshibboleth> slacker_1: yeah, just found it. So I suppose I can delete all my bookmarks and import a back-up?
[03:12] <_harm> hehe :D
[03:12] <{alejandro}> well Dapper is special too drexelxxxx
[03:12] <{alejandro}> it is the long term support release, with 3 years of support planned
[03:13] <drexelxxxx> you can backup bookmarks from within firefox also
[03:13] <thomasM> dapper is shaping up.....
[03:13] <drexelxxxx> to an html file
[03:13] <_harm> dapper is really doing well imho
[03:13] <{alejandro}> yeah it is
[03:13] <drexelxxxx> so is Google going to make a distro?
[03:13] <thomasM> drexelxxx firefox keeps the bookmarks in an html file normally.
[03:13] <_harm> i just whish i could say the same for xgl
[03:13] <{alejandro}> warty and breezy were awkward to install but everything Just Worked with dapper
[03:13] <_harm> thomasM no
[03:13] <thomasM> o really?
[03:13] <dbarnett> drexelxxxx: that's all rumor. I would guess not
[03:13] <drexelxxxx> oh really thomas
[03:13] <muraii> Hi there.
[03:13] <drexelxxxx> that is new to me
[03:13] <_harm> google isnt making a distro
[03:13] <muraii> Anyone here use Blender 3D on Breezy?
[03:13] <_harm> its all talk
[03:14] <drexelxxxx> figures
[03:14] <thomasM> hrmm well i've found an html file with my bookmarks before
[03:14] <dbarnett> if anything they would make a gui on top of a bsd
[03:14] <{alejandro}> muraii what you wanna know
[03:14] <dbarnett> like apple did
[03:14] <thomasM> maybe i did something to back them up like that.
[03:14] <drexelxxxx> google is making a reputation of things like that
[03:14] <{alejandro}> well speaking of bsd desktops I tried DesktopBSD and it is all sorts of nice
[03:14] <slackern> hmm how would i do to update a group i joined without ending this session?
[03:15] <drexelxxxx> MEPIS sux
[03:15] <drexelxxxx> out of the box
[03:15] <thomasM> so does ubuntu...
[03:15] <robert__> where I can find information for configuring my ati pci all in wonder card to play tv?
[03:15] <{alejandro}> robert__ you probably can't do it
[03:15] <drexelxxxx> ubuntu works fine for me
[03:15] <dbarnett> {alejandro}: freebsd spinoff?
[03:15] <robert__> why alejandro?
[03:15] <{alejandro}> dbarnett yes
[03:15] <thomasM> after you tweak it and install non-free software.
[03:15] <drexelxxxx> probably your hardware
[03:16] <drexelxxxx> I don't have any problems
[03:16] <{alejandro}> robert__ because there are no workng v4l drivers for it
[03:16] <thomasM> mp3 worked out of the box?
[03:16] <robert__> wow
[03:16] <{alejandro}> robert__ look up GATOS
[03:16] <drexelxxxx> haven't tried that
[03:16] <thomasM> what kind of OS doesn't have mp3 support?
[03:16] <drexelxxxx> maybe it is the software your trying too
[03:16] <robert__> I will thabks
[03:16] <thomasM> flash doesn't work
[03:16] <{alejandro}> thomasM the kind that lets you install it later
[03:16] <muraii> {alejandro}: I was trying to run it, but it said I didn't have libc++5.so or some such library.  Now, I know of the library to which it refers--libstdc++5; but I have libstdc++6 already installed.
[03:16] <robert__> could gatos work?
[03:16] <thomasM> well i know you can install it later, he's talking about "out of the box" though
[03:16] <drexelxxxx> well there is a licensing thing
[03:17] <muraii> I'm wondering if installing libstdc++5 will FUBAR anything.
[03:17] <drexelxxxx> free distros have to leave stuff like that out
[03:17] <drexelxxxx> like libdvdcss
[03:17] <thomasM> not all...
[03:17] <{alejandro}> muraii try reinstalling blender in synaptic
[03:17] <holysmoke> I have a question, what is the best thing to type in fstab to add a secondary storage harddrive (hdb1) to your system??  I wouldnt mind just calling it storage
[03:17] <{alejandro}> muraii just for kicks
[03:17] <robert__> could gatos woks alejandro, or is just a guess?
[03:17] <muraii> They're both considerd v3 of the GNU standard C++ library.
[03:17] <{alejandro}> muraii and it won't
[03:17] <muraii> {alejandro}: I'd like to use 2.41 if I can.
[03:18] <{alejandro}> muraii then install the libistc++ 5
[03:18] <muraii> {alejandro}: Are you aware of the differences covered by each library, even generally?
[03:18] <{alejandro}> muraii with GNU tools it shouldn't be a problem
[03:18] <muraii> I can google it, of course.
[03:18] <jobezone> isn't libstdc++5 available in the repos?
[03:18] <jimcooncat> Not having closed formats does force you to learn a bit about the distro, a least a good side effect
[03:18] <xanza> #RSGaming
[03:18] <robert__> Alejandro, could gatos works? or it's jus a guess?
[03:18] <muraii> jobezone: Yeah, it is.  It's just that I have libstdc++6 installed already.
[03:18] <drexelxxxx> Anybody know if Gentoo is good after it is setup?
[03:18] <{alejandro}> muraii do it
[03:19] <muraii> I assume they duplicate functionality, but perhaps I assume incorrectly.
[03:19] <muraii> {alejandro}: Alrighty.
[03:19] <{alejandro}> robert__ I had no luck but that was a few months ago
[03:19] <robert__> ok
[03:19] <robert__> I will try myself
[03:19] <jimcooncat> drexelxxxx, I ran Gentoo servers for a while, good experience
[03:19] <robert__> thaks
[03:19] <drexelxxxx> ok
[03:19] <drexelxxxx> yeah i'm working on gentoo right now and i'm learning a hell of a lot so far
[03:19] <drexelxxxx> I have a lot of respect for the gentoo org
[03:19] <jobezone> muraii: if the package doesn't conflict with 6, it can be installed as well.
[03:19] <jimcooncat> I came to Ubuntu because I wanted to use the software quicker
[03:20] <dbarnett> I'm surprised gentoo hasn't completely killed slackware
[03:20] <{alejandro}> jobezone and muraii they shouldn't conflict since they are GNU tools
[03:20] <jimcooncat> there are too many packages to play with to have to emerge them all
[03:20] <drexelxxxx> slackware doesnt' even support my SATA
[03:20] <drexelxxxx> at least 10.1 doesnt'
[03:21] <{alejandro}> drexelxxxx this is because slackware is ridiculous
[03:21] <muraii> Anyone played with Zenwalk 2+ (a Slackware derivative)?
[03:21] <drexelxxxx> haha
[03:21] <raptros-v76> hey, ive decided i might upgrade my release to dapper, is there anything im gonna have to worry about?
[03:21] <jimcooncat> drexelxxxx, slack's on a different wavelength
[03:21] <drexelxxxx> I haven't ever used it before
[03:21] <thomasM> none at all
[03:21] <thomasM> just dist-upgrade
[03:21] <{alejandro}> ratptros it has been smooth sailing for me thus far
[03:21] <blind> How do I trace-route in ubuntu?
[03:22] <drexelxxxx> traceroute
[03:22] <drexelxxxx> that is a basic command
[03:22] <raptros-v76> there was a warning about evms
[03:22] <dbarnett> hmm it seems like traceroute isn't installed by default
[03:22] <thomasM> evms..
[03:22] <drexelxxxx> hmm
[03:22] <thomasM> i dunno
[03:22] <drexelxxxx> do you have the path set to it?
[03:22] <raptros-v76> ?
[03:22] <drexelxxxx> do a updatedb
[03:22] <drexelxxxx> then "locate traceroute"
[03:23] <jimcooncat> blind, try Applications -> System Tools -> Network Tools
[03:23] <drexelxxxx> without quotes
[03:23] <drexelxxxx> yeah that too but if you like commands like I do I would get that
[03:23] <jimcooncat> blind there's traceroute and whois and ping
[03:23] <raptros-v76> well, ive got the website open.  if i suddenly dissapear without warning and dont come back, youll know i screwed up
[03:23] <blind> but how do i do it via terminal
[03:23] <jobezone> perhaps he needs to use traceroute with sudo?
[03:23] <dbarnett> I don't appear to have it installed
[03:24] <drexelxxxx> traceroute will work under all users most of the time
[03:24] <muraii_> blender3d.org must've been dugg or slashdotted recently.
[03:24] <dbarnett> try tracepath
[03:24] <dbarnett> in /usr/sbin/
[03:24] <jimcooncat> I have traceroute6
[03:24] <{alejandro}> network tools should do it too
[03:24] <dbarnett> tracepath appears to be traceroute + mtu info
[03:24] <VR_> archives.ubuntu.com is really slow for me here. how can i choose laternate repos? what are some reliable ones?
[03:24] <drexelxxxx> export PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin
[03:25] <VR_> alternate*
[03:25] <blind> traceroute: unknown host <IP_ADDRESS> ... lol wtf
[03:25] <jimcooncat> wow, that's weird, I don't have it on command line either
[03:25] <drexelxxxx> traceroute www.yahoo.com
[03:25] <HymnToLife> vr_ in which countryare you ?
[03:25] <FearMoth> I have a castlewood orb internal IDE disk drive, anyone know if it's compatible with linux and how to install it?
[03:25] <VR_> HymnToLife: US
[03:25] <drexelxxxx> yahoo doesn't have a ICMP block
[03:25] <blind> traceroute: unknown host <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:25] <drexelxxxx> permissiosn
[03:25] <drexelxxxx> permissions
[03:25] <HymnToLife> then try us.achives.ubuntu.com and so on
[03:25] <TheOmnipotentWan> Isn't it tracepath in Ubuntu?
[03:26] <VR_> HymnToLife: thats what i'm using right now
[03:26] <blind> woop, that worked.
[03:26] <blind> thanks TheOmnipotentWan
[03:26] <HymnToLife> then remove the prefix
[03:26] <TheOmnipotentWan> No problemo.
[03:26] <HymnToLife> archive.ubuntu.com etc
[03:26] <VR_> ok
[03:27] <jobezone> isn't there a graphical app included by default, which does all kinds of things, like traceroute, whois, etc.
[03:27] <thomasM> Network Tools
[03:27] <thomasM> Network tools has all of that.
[03:27] <TheOmnipotentWan> What he said.
[03:27] <jobezone> right, that's the one
[03:27] <thomasM> mmhrmmm
[03:27] <thomasM> it's part of gnome.
[03:28] <TheOmnipotentWan> There's something inherently wrong with doing tracepaths out of the command line, though.
[03:28] <jimcooncat> aptitude says traceroute's not installed
[03:28] <TheOmnipotentWan> jim:  Tracepath
[03:28] <eneried> hello guys! does anybody know an alternative to amsn or gaim to conect to msn messenger?
[03:28] <drexelxxxx> tracepath is the default
[03:28] <HymnToLife> eneried> kopete
[03:28] <thomasM> Kopete is good if you don't mind KDE libraries.
[03:28] <{alejandro}> TheOmnipotentWan actually there is a very similar program that comes with OSX that I have grown fond of
[03:28] <{alejandro}> that does all those network commands under one GUI roof
[03:28] <VR_> HymnToLife: i removed the us. part, now it's fast again.
[03:28] <drexelxxxx> traceroute6 is installed but I didn't know ubuntu was set like that
[03:29] <eneried> HymnToLife, does kopete allows me to chat using earphones and mic?
[03:29] <jimcooncat> "sudo apt-get install traceroute" works
[03:29] <TheOmnipotentWan> alejandro:  I don't mean wrong with usability.
[03:29] <HymnToLife> eneried> dunno, being deaf I never use it ;)
[03:29] <TheOmnipotentWan> I've just been doing tracepaths and pings and whatnot in the command line for long enough that it just seems wrong to look at a graphical interface while I do it.
[03:29] <VR_> HymnToLife: one question though... if im trying to install something over apt, and i notice its taking a long time, how do i stop the installation?
[03:29] <drexelxxxx> I wish I could use OSX
[03:29] <eneried> HymnToLife i c
[03:29] <{alejandro}> heh
[03:29] <HymnToLife> vr_ Ctrl+C
[03:29] <thomasM> close the terminal... and you will have to finish configuring later.
[03:30] <VR_> HymnToLife: thanks
[03:30] <{alejandro}> OSX is so fun
[03:30] <dbarnett> I love my mac
[03:30] <amphi> I love my stinkpad
[03:30] <drexelxxxx> Macintosh really started using their heads when they switch to the x86 arch
[03:30] <doms> pangittttttttttttttttttt
[03:31] <dbarnett> drexelxxxx: I'm drooling over a tripleboot powerbook
[03:31] <amphi> triple mouse button'd be nice
[03:31] <drexelxxxx> I wish their prices were lower though
[03:31] <{alejandro}> drexelxxxx yeah but trusted computing gives me the willies
[03:31] <dbarnett> my big problem with osX is the case insensitivity
[03:31] <dbarnett> it really messes with some things
[03:31] <dbarnett> like cvs
[03:31] <{alejandro}> yeah that is gross
[03:32] <jimcooncat> you guys remind me of when I saw my first Amiga
[03:32] <{alejandro}> you can use UFS on it
[03:32] <dbarnett> I had atticed something called blah and renamed it Blah
[03:32] <{alejandro}> I do
[03:32] <{alejandro}> which is fun
[03:32] <drexelxxxx> OSX is really amazing
[03:32] <drexelxxxx> brilliant minds behind that
[03:32] <muraii__> drexelxxxx: I think the price/performance ratio is better than the advertised price would lead you to believe, in my admittedly humble opinion.
[03:32] <TheOmnipotentWan> The guys who did FreeBSD?
[03:32] <_jason> !offtopic
[03:32] <ubotu> Non Ubuntu support related discussions may be carried out in the channel #ubuntu-offtopic. Editor/Language wars are welcome there!
[03:32] <drexelxxxx> but it will never go to the PC
[03:32] <{alejandro}> It's OpenBSD actually
[03:33] <{alejandro}> but yeah
[03:33] <TheOmnipotentWan> Oh yeah?
[03:33] <amphi> drexelxxxx: why is a mutant bsd running as monolithic task on mach 'amazing'?
[03:33] <TheOmnipotentWan> I was under the impression it was freebsd.
[03:33] <{alejandro}> pretty colors
[03:33] <TheOmnipotentWan> How good is openbsd?
[03:33] <TheOmnipotentWan> I heard it was more intended for security then anything else.
[03:33] <dbarnett> Openbsd is nice if you don't need applications
[03:33] <{alejandro}> look it up
[03:33] <thomasM> thankyou jason..
[03:33] <eneried> boys, are you talking about Darwin?
[03:33] <thomasM> i hate fanboys.
[03:33] <{alejandro}> heehee
[03:33] <{alejandro}> fair enough
[03:33] <biovore> TheOmnipotentWan: openbsd is good for security because nothing works on it.. :-/
[03:34] <idhwang> HI..
[03:34] <HymnToLife> like on servers, I'm thinking of switching my Linux serve to BSD
[03:34] <TheOmnipotentWan> Haha...I guess that works.
[03:34] <biovore> server it works good
[03:34] <HymnToLife> so I can say "I'm running BSD unlike you fools who run Linux" :p
[03:34] <jimcooncat> do you get such good chat support though
[03:35] <{alejandro}> haha
[03:35] <{alejandro}> which is promptly ruined by rabble rousers etc. etc.
[03:35] <biovore> openbsd has a compiler.. just build your apps for it.. :-P
[03:35] <eneried> dopes anybody know what yahoo messnger is avalilable on linux?
[03:35] <HymnToLife> eneried> gaim, kopete...
[03:35] <TheOmnipotentWan> Unfortunately, I know nada about programming.  I'm the definition of an end user.
[03:35] <biovore> eneried: I think gaim dose it
[03:35] <{alejandro}> eneried gaim will do it
[03:35] <jimcooncat> eneried, yahoo has one, most use gaim, some use gyach-e
[03:36] <{alejandro}> eneried or any other multi-protocol IM client
[03:36] <eneried> another different to gaim?
[03:36] <{alejandro}> Kopete
[03:36] <{alejandro}> enereied what desktop you using
[03:36] <plex0r> PROBLEM...
[03:36] <plex0r> orinoco gold card is not being recognized :-/
[03:36] <eneried> jimcooncat, gyach?
[03:37] <jimcooncat> gyach-e, yahoo messenger-like with webcam
[03:37] <muraii__> {alejandro}: Okay, so, another question: do you see a distinguishable difference between Blender 2.37 (the one in the Ubuntu repository) and 2.41?
[03:37] <jimcooncat> manual install, very experimental
[03:37] <muraii__> : knows this isn't Blender 3D support, BTW.
[03:37] <muraii__> Er...
[03:37] <{alejandro}> muraii__ 2.41 has probably got more
[03:38] <plex0r> yeah...
[03:38] <plex0r> no one?
[03:38] <{alejandro}> muraii__ I haven't used it, but may try it on my OSX box
[03:38] <eneried> jimcooncat, thanks :)
[03:38] <jimcooncat> only does yahoo, best one I've seen for IM addicts
[03:38] <{alejandro}> muraii__ if you are having issues with installing 2.41 2.37 will do fine
[03:38] <muraii__> {alejandro}: Yeah, I have a 10.3.9 system (haven't gone Tiger yet), but the Ubuntu machine is the one I feel better working on.
[03:39] <muraii__> {alejandro}: Yeah, I figured.
[03:39] <muraii__> You know, though: newer, faster, better.  The documentation I managed to read implied that 2.41 was a fairly seminal release.
[03:39] <dbarnett> is there an OSS music editor, like Acid Pro or the like
[03:41] <muraii> dbarnett: Does Audion qualify?
[03:41] <{alejandro}> muraii dapper has the version you are looking for
[03:41] <Edison> hi everyone! does anyone know how to use webcam with linux??
[03:41] <{alejandro}> (I didn't realize it, myself)
[03:42] <Edison> cause i have one but i used with windows
[03:42] <Edison> now i dont know how to use it with ubuntu
[03:42] <jimcooncat> Edison, I've been studying webcams
[03:42] <dbarnett> muraii: I don't see Audion in synaptic
[03:42] <muraii> {alejandro}: Yeah, I read someone's post who'd switched to Dapper repositories and installed to Breezy with nary a problem.
[03:42] <jimcooncat> Edison, first you should get it working with camorama
[03:42] <{alejandro}> muraii might as well upgrade to dapper
[03:42] <muraii> dbarnett: Crap, OS X only.
[03:42] <muraii> Sorry.
[03:42] <{alejandro}> and dbarnett audion isn't a linux app
[03:43] <dbarnett> no worries
[03:43] <{alejandro}> yeah
[03:43] <dbarnett> I found one once and I can't remember the name!
[03:43] <muraii> {alejandro}: Is dapper ready for prime time?
[03:43] <jimcooncat> Edison, then figure out what you want to do with it: post to web pages, use Ekiga, iM, or what
[03:43] <eneried> dapper works good with breezy packages
[03:43] <{alejandro}> but dbarnett there are a bunch
[03:43] <eneried> i'm usig it in this way :)
[03:43] <{alejandro}> dbarnett poke around in synaptic
[03:43] <eneried> not all the breezy packages, but some,
[03:43] <dbarnett> nod, I am
[03:43] <Edison> ok let me try camorama.....
[03:43] <eneried> :)
[03:43] <Edison> to see whats that about
[03:43] <{alejandro}> dbarnett audacity is my fave
[03:44] <Edison> cause is the first time i heard that program
[03:44] <jimcooncat> Edison, if you have problems getting the stream going you need a driver
[03:44] <dbarnett> {alejandro}: thanks I'll try it
[03:44] <jimcooncat> !tell Edison about webcam
[03:44] <Zero|Popcorn> Hey I need some help, my system hangs on Starting hot plug subsystem, I know this is asked alot but I don't know what to do :(
[03:45] <Edison> thank u for the info
[03:45] <AngryElf> hey all, i just ran nvidia's newes *.run and everything was fine until i rebooted then I get (EE) Failed to initialize nvidia kernel module --- but modprobe nvidia && /etc/init.d/gdm restart does not work either
[03:45] <Zero|Popcorn> Does anyone know how to help me?
[03:46] <muraii> dbarnett: http://linux-sound.org/one-page.html
[03:46] <Edison> have u try easey cam2??
[03:46] <Zero|Popcorn> for hotplug?
[03:46] <jimcooncat> Zero|Popcorn, someone who knows more than me would need more info from you
[03:46] <dbarnett> muraii: thanks!
[03:47] <Zero|Popcorn> grahh please help me
[03:47] <biovore> Zero|Popcorn: you can specify nohotplug as a kernel option.. but I will disable all the automagical kernel hardware detection..
[03:47] <Zero|Popcorn> So how do I do this?
[03:47] <jimcooncat> Edison, no I haven't tried that one
[03:47] <muraii_> Zero|Popcorn: You can hit CTRL + C right as that part is coming up, and you'll skip it.
[03:47] <Edison> ummmm ok
[03:47] <Zero|Popcorn> it won't i've tried:(
[03:47] <muraii_> That's not elegant, but it works.
[03:47] <jimcooncat> I'm using camserve but will switch to motion when I figure it out
[03:47] <muraii_> Zero|Popcorn: You have to be quick.
[03:48] <Edison> so il to use camorama first then
[03:48] <biovore> Zero|Popcorn: edit your boot options in grub (hit esc, and the e)
[03:48] <muraii_> Zero|Popcorn: In my experience, you have about a second.
[03:48] <Edison> try
[03:48] <jimcooncat> Edison, camorama will tell you if your webcam's putting out
[03:48] <Zero|Popcorn> kk ty
[03:48] <Edison> ok thanks
[03:48] <jimcooncat> So it's a good first app to try before the others
[03:48] <muraii_> biovore: Yeah, that sounds smarter.
[03:48] <runt> yo was up guys
[03:48] <slipaway172> can somebody tell me if phproxy.jumingcrab.com is up.....i do have my server as a ubuntu machine
[03:49] <runt> dude was is up with yall and all this ubuntu stuff
[03:49] <jimcooncat> runt we have fun
[03:49] <drexelxxxx> it is an ubuntu channel lol
[03:49] <fwp> uh... this is #ubuntu
[03:49] <fwp> lol
[03:49] <slipaway172> i know
[03:49] <Edison> it says: could not connect to video device
[03:50] <Edison> so what do i do???
[03:50] <muraii_> Edison: Drink.
[03:50] <Edison> lol
[03:50] <runt> i no but like im not a comp. geek so is it that hard to run ubuntu or something
[03:50] <jimcooncat> !tell Edison about webcam
[03:50] <Edison> hahahaha
[03:50] <NickGarvey> you can boot form an extended partition right?
[03:50] <runt> like can i do it if im not smart
[03:50] <runt> wat
[03:50] <jimcooncat> you'll need a driver
[03:50] <NickGarvey> sorry muraii, I had tacos
[03:50] <muraii_> NickGarvey: That sounds good.
[03:50] <fwp> lol
[03:51] <NickGarvey> :)
[03:51] <jimcooncat> runt, sure you can
[03:51] <theshibboleth> hello (again). I'm looking for a video editor I can use to take images, put them together, and export them as an mpg movie
[03:51] <muraii_> I wonder if I could get Ubuntu to compile for the 7.15 Hz Motorolla 68000 in my Amiga 500.
[03:51] <muraii_> That'd be a hoot.
[03:51] <muraii_> Or use the A500 as a firewall.
[03:52] <BlueEalge> muraii_: The a500 is to prone to spontaneous combustion to be good as a firewall. :p
[03:52] <doms> pangittttttttttttttttttt
[03:52] <doms> creative how it works
[03:53] <doms> how run it under camorama /dev/video error