[07:12] <Kilos> hiya chesedo pavlushka
[07:12] <pavlushka> Hello Kilos :)
[07:12]  * pavlushka pokes chesedo
[07:13] <chesedo> hey Kilos  pavlushka
[07:13]  * chesedo rubs his butt, hoping that the poking pain will go away
[07:15]  * pavlushka thinks that may be bed bugs, I didn't poke there :p
[07:16] <Kilos> where do you get that pain from chesedo
[07:16] <Kilos> back?
[07:16] <Kilos> coccyx
[07:17] <Kilos> marriage
[07:17] <chesedo> ok yes i see, a spring is sticking out of my matress...
[07:17] <Kilos> hahahaha
[07:18] <chesedo> how are you doing Kilos pavlushka?
[07:18] <Kilos> ok ty lad
[07:21] <pavlushka> chesedo: not much good, didn't even started the monthly clothe washing and already its 1.20 PM here
[07:21]  * chesedo only now sees why superfly is moving to the US... and am i bit fumed
[07:21] <Kilos> oh my
[07:21] <Kilos> keep up lad
[07:51] <andrewlsd> Hiya.
[07:51] <andrewlsd> lol Kilos (marriage)
[08:12] <Kilos> lol
[10:57] <magespawn> good day all
[11:10] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[11:10] <Kilos> night all and sundry
[11:11] <Kilos> bedtime here
[11:36] <jerit> you guys, I'm morbidly depressed now
[11:37] <jerit> another 16 year old girl in my community was found murdered yesterday
[12:08] <chesedo> wow jerit, sorry to hear that! Which community is that?
[18:25] <magespawn> later all


[00:08] <asac> fine
[00:08] <asac> good news ;)
[00:08] <asac> one merge thing less
[00:11] <fta> "People in most markets Lenovo serves, including Singapore, China and the UK, will be offered the company's new IdeaPad S10 with either Microsoft Windows XP or a Linux OS, but Australian and US computer buyers will only be offered Windows XP according to Lenovo."
[00:51] <fta> asac, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=306324#c5
[06:25] <cwillu> that's weird
[06:26] <cwillu> I've got a whole lot of images from  lhttp://www.boingboing.net/compresized/*.jpg
[06:26] <cwillu> in my cache
[06:26] <cwillu> that have apparently been fetches within the last minute
[06:26] <cwillu> fetched, rather
[06:27] <cwillu> however, I haven't look at that page in a good week (I remember it, it was a list of really old magazine computer ads)
[06:27] <cwillu> they're showing up in about:cache?device=memory
[08:42] <gnomefreak> !freenode
[09:17] <XioNoX> hi !
[09:19] <gnomefreak> asac: bug 136303  is this something we are willing to change in default tbird package?
[09:20] <asac> hi
[09:21] <gnomefreak> morning ;)
[09:21] <asac> hi gnomefreak
[09:21] <asac> that bug should work ;)
[09:22] <gnomefreak> asac: you want a autologin bug on n-m?
[09:23] <asac> marked bug wont fix
[09:23] <asac> gnomefreak: which?
[09:23] <gnomefreak> bug 155294
[09:24] <gnomefreak> asac: not sure if wee support autologin to begin with
[09:24] <XioNoX> asac, hve you seen the screenshots yesterday ?
[09:27] <asac> XioNoX: the double border thing?
[09:28] <XioNoX> yes, and i've list the différent case, depending of the xbl file
[09:28] <XioNoX> with or without the <children/> element
[09:29] <XioNoX> and the location of the div
[09:30] <asac> XioNoX: hmm. so unsupported doesnt work at all?
[09:31] <XioNoX> unsupported work, supported work partially (there are 2 frames) if we put the <children/> element
[09:31] <XioNoX> but only on the adobe page
[09:31] <XioNoX> on youtube for exemple it don't work for supported
[09:31] <asac> XioNoX: strange thing. can you try just to "match" object?
[09:31] <asac> '
[09:32] <XioNoX> match ?
[09:32] <asac> in .css
[09:32] <gnomefreak> finally got to my gedit crash bug, only a month later (and it still crashes when it likes)
[09:34] <asac> XioNoX: you said that flashbock? did it differently
[09:34] <asac> how?
[09:34] <XioNoX> adblock plus
[09:35] <XioNoX> i don't really know, because the source is really complicated
[09:36] <XioNoX> I think too complicated to implement it on ubufox
[09:37] <XioNoX> and for something we don't know if everybody will agree
[09:38] <XioNoX> but the adblock method works well for all the flash content
[09:45] <asac> XioNoX: they display a frame, right?
[09:45] <XioNoX> what ?
[09:46] <XioNoX> what do you thin about this : http://pastebin.mozilla.org/512850 ?
[09:46] <XioNoX> come from flash block
[09:48] <gandi> hi guys
[09:48] <asac> #
[09:48] <asac> object
[09:48] <asac> #
[09:48] <asac> #
[09:48] <asac> { -moz-binding: url("chrome://flashblock/content/flashblock.xml#brokenobject") !important; }
[09:48] <asac> they do this
[09:48] <gandi> XioNoX, asac: any help I can give you?
[09:49] <XioNoX> it works
[09:49] <asac> XioNoX: so "just" object in .css works
[09:49] <asac> thats good enough for us
[09:49] <XioNoX> it is better than : embed, applet, object {
[09:49] <XioNoX>   -moz-binding: url('chrome://ubufox/content/alternatePlugins.xml#missingPlugin') !important;
[09:49] <asac> "embed" is most likely a .xbl thing on its own which uses object
[09:49] <XioNoX> no ?
[09:49] <XioNoX> because it more targeting the content
[09:49] <asac> yes
[09:50] <asac> object {
[09:50] <asac> 10:49 < XioNoX>   -moz-binding: url('chrome://ubufox/content/alternatePlugins.xml#missingPlugin')  !important;
[09:50] <asac> if that works
[09:50] <asac> use it ;)
[09:50] <XioNoX> ok
[09:51] <XioNoX> it works the same way, for flash or director, but i have the sames issues
[09:51] <XioNoX> so i think it come from the xbl
[09:53]  * gnomefreak thinks i fixed firegpg but will look later since its not 5am yet
[09:56] <asac> XioNoX: can you publish your current best code in bzr please
[09:56] <asac> I'd like to try
[09:56] <asac> ;)
[09:56] <XioNoX> asac, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/512852 here is the xbl of flashblock, it using only JS
[09:59] <asac> XioNoX: well. thats flashblock ;)
[09:59] <XioNoX> i know :D
[09:59] <XioNoX> i push the code on bzr
[09:59] <asac> ok
[09:59] <asac> url?
[10:02] <asac> XioNoX: ?
[10:02] <XioNoX> not finish yet :D
[10:02] <asac> ah
[10:03] <asac> ;)
[10:05] <XioNoX> https://code.launchpad.net/~xionox/ubufox/ubufox.altplugins
[10:13] <asac> XioNoX: so on what page would thta work?
[10:14] <XioNoX> http://www.adobe.com/fr/shockwave/welcome/
[10:14] <XioNoX> here you can check 2 mimetype
[10:25] <gandi> re
[10:25] <XioNoX> re!
[10:29] <asac> XioNoX: ok. so even with these .css rules it doesnt work anywhere except on adobe pages?
[10:29] <XioNoX> yes
[10:30] <asac> i dont see any atler :/
[10:30] <asac> alert
[10:32] <gandi> asac: if you'll need my assistance with helping Xionox, let me know
[10:33] <XioNoX> alert works for me when we click on a frame
[10:38] <asac> XioNoX: you need to add "components" to the ROOT_DIRS in config_build.sh
[10:38] <asac> otherwise the pluginGlue.js is not included
[10:38] <asac> in .xpi
[10:41] <asac> XioNoX: according to dom inspector that style is attached to the element
[10:41] <XioNoX> ?
[10:41] <asac> (on youtube)
[10:41] <asac> the border appears to be not visible
[10:41] <asac> not sure if that means that its hidden
[10:41] <asac> or that it doesnt work
[10:41] <asac> install firefox-dom-inspector package
[10:42] <asac> (if you are testing with ubuntu build)
[10:43] <XioNoX> ok
[10:43] <XioNoX> so we can try with hidden=false
[10:43] <XioNoX> ?
[10:44] <asac> not sure
[10:45] <asac> let me play around
[10:46] <XioNoX> it si why the html:div is in red ?
[10:50] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: its fixed im gonna build it for PPA to update with fixes. both branchs are fixed as well. thanks for the testing
[10:53] <gnomefreak> asac: should short description end with a : ?
[10:53] <gnomefreak> or long start with one?
[10:54] <asac> XioNoX: i think its read because its "xbl'ed" at runtime
[10:54] <asac> gnomefreak: most likely not
[10:54] <asac> gnomefreak: cant`t tell without looking at case though
[10:54] <gnomefreak> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: syntax error in debian/control at line 15: line with unknown format (not field-colon-value)
[10:54] <gnomefreak> maybe shouldnt be indented
[10:55] <gnomefreak> nope not it
[10:57] <gnomefreak> asac: here is the control file http://pastebin.mozilla.org/512886
[10:59] <gnomefreak> i dont see anything there that looks wrong
[11:01] <asac> XioNoX: so ... maybe the embed thing prevents it to be displayed
[11:01] <asac> XioNoX: can you try to open the alert whenever the element is loaded please
[11:01] <asac> instead of clicking?
[11:02] <XioNoX> I've try, but i don't know how to do that. Event on xbl don't allow to do it
[11:03] <huats> May I ask a question : I've seen in bug 180384 that mozilla-traybiff was FTBFS
[11:03] <huats> looking if I can fix that I don't clearly understand the situation of mozilla-traybiff
[11:03] <huats> according LP, it is in intrepid
[11:04] <huats> but I am not able to find it using apt
[11:04] <huats> :(
[11:04] <gnomefreak> huats: its not in INtrepid archives
[11:04] <huats> gnomefreak: from my understanding of :https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-traybiff it is...
[11:05] <huats> that is why I am confused...
[11:05] <gnomefreak> huats: most likely it need a manual merge. DAD will tell you, but i dont remmeber link to DAD, motu people would have link
[11:05] <huats> I have the link...
[11:05] <huats> :)
[11:05] <huats> gnomefreak: thanks
[11:06] <gnomefreak> huats: wait
[11:06] <huats> ok
[11:06] <gnomefreak> huats: that may be held back due to freeze
[11:06] <huats> I know
[11:06] <gnomefreak> but ask in motu what happened
[11:07] <huats> In fact I was more confused by state that it seems to be in intrepid, but it is not
[11:07] <huats> that was my question :)
[11:07] <huats> gnomefreak: thanks!
[11:07] <gnomefreak> np
[11:08] <gnomefreak> huats: looks like a dependency issue
[11:08] <gnomefreak> huats: look at the right of https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/mozilla-traybiff/1.2.3-4.1
[11:10] <huats> gnomefreak: yes
[11:10] <huats> a pb with icedove...
[11:13] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, solved the problem with control file?
[11:14] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: the above error no
[11:15] <gnomefreak> i dont see a : nor did i ever remeber one being there
[11:15] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, try with this (the highlighted lines) http://pastebin.mozilla.org/512905
[11:17] <gnomefreak> the VCS line has to be broken up its more than 80 chars
[11:17] <asac> XioNoX: ok
[11:17] <Jazzva> that doesn't matter for all lines, but only for those that will be presented to the user (copyright file, description...)
[11:17] <Jazzva> gnomefreak ^
[11:18] <XioNoX> asac, xbl handler allow only key & mouse
[11:18]  * gnomefreak gives up on what needs to be <80 and > 80
[11:19] <asac> XioNoX: http://paste.ubuntu.com/36800/
[11:19] <asac> apply that and start fro there
[11:19] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: no it didnt fix it
[11:19] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, I think just the things that will be presented to a user
[11:19] <Jazzva> hmm... strange
[11:19] <asac> XioNoX: actually we can even dump the html:div
[11:20] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: all you did was indent the long
[11:20] <asac> the idea is to use the <constructor> code
[11:20] <XioNoX> ok
[11:20] <XioNoX> like flashblock ?
[11:20] <asac> to send out events about "pluginUsed"
[11:20] <asac> XioNoX: apply the patch
[11:20] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, ah... the short description must be in one line
[11:20] <asac> ;)
[11:20] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: although now its line 14
[11:20] <Jazzva> I'm not sure about the rule for it...
[11:20] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: that doesnt meet 80 char rule
[11:21] <gnomefreak> thats why its on 2 lines
[11:21] <gnomefreak> and that makes sence since it built fine before changing it
[11:21] <gnomefreak> lets find out
[11:22] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: space between long and short?
[11:22] <XioNoX> asac, how do y apply the diff ?
[11:23] <Jazzva> try putting it on one line :). sorry for the "80 chars rule".   Stop
[11:24] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, please paste it
[11:24] <gnomefreak> build/firegpg:: chmod a-x+X components/FireGPGCall.dll
[11:25] <gnomefreak> what should be used as seperater
[11:25] <Jazzva> put "chmod ..." on a new line
[11:25] <gnomefreak> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/512907
[11:25] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: it is
[11:25] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: just irc put it on one line
[11:26] <gnomefreak> im thinking a ; is needed but not sure
[11:26] <gnomefreak> after *dll
[11:26] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, the space before "chmod" should be a tab. If you copy/pasted it, it might be formed of spaces instead...
[11:26] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, so check that
[11:27] <Jazzva> and you can also put ";" at the end of the line, but it should be ok like this too...
[11:27] <gnomefreak> ok give me a few need to update changelog
[11:28] <gnomefreak> no i dont its all there
[11:28] <gnomefreak> ha
[11:28] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: thanks it worked
[11:29] <Jazzva> no problem :)
[11:29] <gnomefreak> i have to update bzr but im waiting for any other errors
[11:29] <Jazzva> actually... you can change the "a-x+X" in chmod just to "a-x"
[11:32] <gnomefreak> too late
[11:32] <asac> XioNoX: download to file
[11:32] <asac> change to ubufox dir
[11:32] <gnomefreak> it really shouldnt matter at all
[11:32] <asac> patch -p0 < /tmp/file.diff
[11:32] <asac> (if the file is called /tmp/file.diff)
[11:32] <XioNoX> ok
[11:32] <XioNoX> i've done it manually :D
[11:33] <XioNoX> but I save that ;)
[11:33] <asac> XioNoX: err
[11:33] <asac> please apply directly
[11:33] <asac> otherwise you might have missed something ;)
[11:33] <asac> at least i wouldnt trust myself ;)
[11:33] <gnomefreak> ok breakfast . bzr branches are updated and fixed and pushing to PPA atm
[11:34] <asac> but well ... as long as your .css is short, and the alert pops up it should be fine
[11:34] <asac> gnomefreak: please ping in bug
[11:34] <gnomefreak> asac: what bug?
[11:34] <XioNoX> it should be ok :D but it is normal that my firefox is freezing on the adobe webpage ?
[11:34] <asac> gnomefreak: or give me direct branch names ;)
[11:34] <gnomefreak> oh
[11:34] <asac> gnomefreak: i forget what you are working on ;)
[11:34] <gnomefreak> firegpg
[11:34] <asac> gnomefreak: if you update bug: says: "ready!
[11:34] <asac> i will see it in my extension mailbox
[11:34] <gnomefreak> ok
[11:34] <asac> which i try to follow up on regularly
[11:34] <asac> ;)
[11:35] <asac> gnomefreak: full branch name would be appreciated ;)
[11:35] <gnomefreak> it will have it
[11:35] <asac> of your and the "release" branch
[11:35] <asac> gnomefreak: sure
[11:35] <gnomefreak> you want LP links or the bzr branch.....
[11:35] <asac> gnomefreak: hmm ... please try to do a "merge request"
[11:36] <asac> in launchpad
[11:36] <asac> i'd like to test that feature
[11:36] <gnomefreak> with what?
[11:36] <asac> we should receive mails
[11:36] <gnomefreak> i get mails for it
[11:36] <gnomefreak> asac: tested a while ago
[11:37] <XioNoX> asac, i get the alert, but if i refresh the page it crash of freeze :(
[11:37] <gnomefreak> asac: i would need branches to merge to
[11:38] <asac> gnomefreak: ah ... ok firegpg isnt uploaded yet?
[11:38] <asac> there is no RELEASE branch from what i can see
[11:38] <gnomefreak> but update bug 227945
[11:38] <XioNoX> segfault
[11:38] <gnomefreak> asac: no this is new
[11:38] <asac> XioNoX: are you on 3.1 ?
[11:38] <XioNoX> 3.0
[11:38] <gnomefreak> asac: lso find them in my PPA if needed
[11:39] <asac> XioNoX: for me it doesnt
[11:39] <gnomefreak> also
[11:39] <asac> XioNoX: maybe apply my patch for real ;)
[11:39] <gnomefreak> ok breakfast now
[11:39] <XioNoX> asac, it seem that it is NSPlugin Wrapper who are crashing
[11:40] <asac> gnomefreak: didnt base the .ubuntu branch on the .upstream branch
[11:40] <asac> what did you do?
[11:40] <asac> you need to start with .upstream branch
[11:40] <asac> then add packaging
[11:41] <asac> (which is revision 1 in your ubuntu branch, but should be revision 2)
[11:41] <gnomefreak> when i did it that way it failed
[11:41] <asac> no
[11:41] <gnomefreak> i fixed it to have files
[11:41] <gnomefreak> asac: yes it did
[11:41] <asac> thats wrong
[11:41] <asac> we cannot use it that way
[11:41] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: informed me of it
[11:41] <asac> unfortunately
[11:42] <asac> the procedure is outlined on the Packaging page in wiki
[11:42] <gnomefreak> oh well
[11:42] <asac> you start with upstream branch
[11:42] <asac> then copy debian/ directory from XPI.TEMPLATE
[11:42] <asac> and adapt the files accordingly
[11:42] <XioNoX> even with your patch it is crashing
[11:42] <asac> XioNoX: where?
[11:42] <asac> on youtube?
[11:44] <XioNoX> on youtube it is freezing
[11:44] <XioNoX> i don't see the popup
[11:44] <XioNoX> ok http://www.t45ol.com/ we can see the alert but it crashing
[11:45] <asac> XioNoX: remve the surrounding div elements
[11:45] <asac> we dont need them
[11:45] <asac> so content just contains children
[11:45] <asac> that works for me
[11:45] <asac> otherwise the alert freezes
[11:45] <asac> (though i can close it using the X window closer)
[11:46] <XioNoX> still crashing
[11:46] <XioNoX> still freezing on youtube
[11:47] <XioNoX> yave you try with 3.0 ?
[11:47] <XioNoX> or do you wan't that I try with 3.1 ?
[11:48] <gnomefreak> asac: just becausqe revision 1 doesnt say initial release its not usable?
[11:48] <asac> no ... i am running 3.0.1 install
[11:48] <asac> gnomefreak: he?
[11:48] <asac> no
[11:48] <asac> gnomefreak: because the .ubuntu branch is not based on .upstream branch its not usable
[11:48] <gnomefreak> yes that is it since there is nothing wrong with branch it has files it should have
[11:48] <asac> we wont be able to merge in future
[11:48] <gnomefreak> asac: yes it is
[11:49] <asac> gnomefreak: no
[11:49] <gnomefreak> when i fixed it i had to redo it all today
[11:49] <asac> gnomefreak: if it was the commit log of rev 1 would be identical
[11:49] <asac> maybe you copied files by hand
[11:49] <asac> but you surely didnt start to create the .ubuntu branch by using the real .upsream branch
[11:49] <gnomefreak> asac: i did after getting upstream from branch
[11:49] <gnomefreak> look at time stamps on branches
[11:49] <asac> gnomefreak: you _must_ not copy by hand
[11:50] <asac> gnomefreak: to create .ubuntu you do:
[11:50] <asac> bzr branch lp......upstream
[11:50] <asac> cd .....upstream
[11:50] <gnomefreak> asac: why not since itt was already done from XPI
[11:50] <asac> cp -r /tmp/XPI.TEMPALTE/debian .
[11:50] <gnomefreak> asac: this was started a month or so ago
[11:50] <asac> bzr commit -m "* first .ubuntu commit, which is the second commit on the brancH"
[11:51] <gnomefreak> it was from XPI but had to put it aside to fix the failure to install bug
[11:51] <asac> gnomefreak: you start with .upstream
[11:51] <gnomefreak> yes
[11:51] <asac> then copy the files from XPI.TEMPLATE by hand into it
[11:51] <asac> commit that as second revision
[11:51] <gnomefreak> yes
[11:51] <asac> yes, but you didnt do that
[11:51] <asac> look at bzr log
[11:52] <asac> you started with XPI.TEMPALTE
[11:52] <asac> copied .upstream files into it
[11:52] <asac> (if you did that at all)
[11:52] <asac> most likely you just created a directory, copied the .upstream and the XPI.TEMPALTE into it and committed that together as first revision
[11:53] <asac> gnomefreak: since you did it one out ago, just redo .... follow the instructions i gave above
[11:53] <gnomefreak> i have no need to commit an empty XPITEMPLATE
[11:53] <asac> feel free to modifiy the files before doing the first .ubuntu commit
[11:53] <asac> but start with .upstream
[11:53] <asac> and commit on top of that
[11:53] <asac> first revision _must_ be identical to upstream branch
[11:54] <gnomefreak> wait i think i know what happened
[11:54] <gnomefreak> let me guess ubuntu branch doesnt contain upstream files?
[11:54] <gnomefreak> that is because i left them out when i pushed
[11:55] <gnomefreak> damnit
[11:55] <asac> gnomefreak: no
[11:55] <gnomefreak> oh good
[11:55] <asac> follow the instructions above
[11:55] <asac> you have to start with .upstream
[11:55] <asac> then copy the XPI.TEMPLATE files into it
[11:55] <asac> modify them
[11:55] <asac> commit
[11:55] <armin76> and bumb
[11:56] <asac> (this is revision 2 then)
[11:56] <gnomefreak> but the files i already had were based on it :(
[11:56] <gnomefreak> cant be revision 2
[11:56] <gnomefreak> im not commiting/pushing empty XPI.TEMPLATE
[11:57] <gnomefreak> so it would be revision 1 that has all files included
[11:57] <gnomefreak> hence redoing it the same way i did it
[11:57] <asac> gnomefreak: hey
[11:57] <asac> first revision is the .upstream commit
[11:57] <gnomefreak> but i will start all over and maybe have it done in a day or so
[11:57] <asac> so it _is_ second revision
[11:57] <gnomefreak> no
[11:58] <asac> gnomefreak: thats what i am telling you
[11:58] <asac> you _must_ start with .upstream branch
[11:58] <gnomefreak> why .upstream is another branch
[11:58] <asac> which already contains one commit
[11:58] <asac> gnomefreak: yes, but .upstream is the parent branch for .ubuntu
[11:58] <asac> they are not indpendent
[11:58] <armin76> asac: why not bumb!
[11:58] <asac> gnomefreak: you did them independent, which makes them useless
[11:58] <asac> as we cannot do bzr merge then
[11:58] <gnomefreak> yes i know but revisions dont skip from brnch o branch
[11:59] <asac> gnomefreak: try and see it yourself ;)
[11:59] <gnomefreak> so 1 still wont be .upstream unless i push it beore gettingXPI
[11:59] <asac> gnomefreak: just follow the instructions on wiki blindly
[11:59] <asac> that will work
[12:04] <XioNoX> asac, i've find why it is freezing. The popup didn't show up but it is here, so i have juste to press space or enter
[12:04] <asac> XioNoX: hehe ;)
[12:04] <asac> XioNoX: maybe its hidden behind the main window?
[12:05] <XioNoX> no
[12:05] <XioNoX> we see it when we alt tab
[12:05] <asac> XioNoX: ok. did you drop the html:div yet?
[12:05] <XioNoX> but a soon a we select it, he disapear
[12:05] <XioNoX> yes
[12:05] <XioNoX> but i don't know why it is crashing
[12:06] <asac> XioNoX: just npviewer?
[12:06] <asac> are you on hardy?
[12:06] <XioNoX> yes
[12:06] <XioNoX> 64bits if it can help
[12:07] <asac> XioNoX: ok. i think there is a separate bug for nspluginwraper hanging
[12:08] <asac> XioNoX: is there a package ia32-libs installed?
[12:08] <XioNoX> yes
[12:08] <asac> can you please check whether it still ships libflashsupport ?
[12:08] <asac> e.g. dpkg -L ia32-libs | grep libflashsupp
[12:09] <XioNoX> We're  going to eat
[12:09] <XioNoX> c u
[13:01] <XioNoX> asac,  /usr/lib32/libflashsupport.so
[13:08] <asac> XioNoX: remove that
[13:08] <asac> or move it to a differnt directory ;)
[13:08] <asac> that might cause _more_ crashes ;)
[13:08] <asac> than flash does anyway
[13:08] <asac> and it deadlocks on shutdown, which might cause the freezage you saw
[13:10] <asac> Jazzva: ^^ ...the above might be responsible for the "grey" on reload thing on amd64
[13:11] <asac> not sure though if libflashsupport.so is still included in intrepid ia32-libs package though
[13:11] <asac> Jazzva: if you are back, please let me know ;)
[13:11] <XioNoX> asac, even with rm libflashsupport.so it crash
[13:11] <XioNoX> with a seg fault
[13:12] <asac> XioNoX: please test iwht gnash then
[13:12] <asac> its probably a bug in amd64
[13:12] <asac> flash
[13:12] <asac> here on x86 it works without and with nspluginwarpper
[13:12] <gnomefreak> asac: give it a little while to update but there should be 1 for .upstream and 3 for .ubuntu (had to update changelog after push since i forgot before
[13:13] <asac> gn	i see 2 revision right now
[13:13] <asac> maybe i will wait a bit
[13:13] <asac> at least the first revision looks better
[13:13] <gnomefreak> you will get 3 in a few
[13:13] <asac> if its really the revision that is in .upstream
[13:13] <gnomefreak> it needs to update
[13:13] <asac> then it should be fine
[13:13] <gnomefreak> it is
[13:14] <asac> yep
[13:14] <asac> will wait a bit
[13:14] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmmmmm
[13:14] <gnomefreak> Pushed up to revision 3.
[13:15] <gnomefreak> there it is
[13:15] <asac> ok ... let me see
[13:16] <XioNoX> asac, still crashing :(
[13:16] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Development:~/firegpg$ ls
[13:16] <gnomefreak> XPI.TEMPLATE  firegpg  firegpg.ubuntu
[13:16] <gnomefreak> see done right
[13:16] <asac> XioNoX: what is still crashing?
[13:16] <XioNoX> firefox
[13:16] <XioNoX> if i reflresh the page, it close
[13:16] <asac> try with a fresh profile
[13:16] <asac> that doesnt make much sense
[13:17] <gnomefreak> now i build for PPA
[13:17] <XioNoX> it is a fresh profile
[13:17] <asac> XioNoX: you never tell me swhich page you try to refresh
 ok http://www.t45ol.com/ we can see the alert but it crashing
[13:18] <gnomefreak> ok sticking with 1 teminal now 5 is too hard to keep track of :(
[13:19] <asac>   XioNoX doesnt crash for me
[13:19] <asac> XioNoX: with my patch
[13:19] <asac> XioNoX: please try gnash instead of flash
[13:19] <asac> well
[13:19] <XioNoX> i've apply you patch
[13:20] <asac> XioNoX: are you sure?
[13:20] <XioNoX> i've installed gnash
[13:20] <asac> XioNoX: are you using gnash?
[13:20] <asac> installed is one thing
[13:20] <asac> using a different ;)
[13:20] <asac> which nspluginwrapper package version?
[13:20] <asac> which flashplugin-nonfree package version?
[13:20] <XioNoX>  libgnashplugin.so
[13:20] <XioNoX> yep
[13:20] <asac> (consider to remove flashplugin-nonfree)
[13:21] <asac> XioNoX: did you remove flashplugin-nonfree
[13:21] <XioNoX> yep
[13:21] <asac> XioNoX: if you right click on a flash file do you see "gnash" ?
[13:21] <XioNoX>  flashplugin-nonfreebeta exactly
[13:21] <XioNoX> yes yes it is gnash ;)
[13:22] <asac> you never know
[13:22] <asac> XioNoX: for me it doesnt crash ... have you tried fresh profile?
[13:22] <asac> have you tried a fresh ubufox.xpi
[13:22] <asac> ?
[13:22] <asac> remove ubufox.xpi
[13:22] <asac> sh build.sh ;)
[13:23] <XioNoX>  Main loop ended, cleaning up
[13:23] <XioNoX> Any segfault past this message is likely due to improper threads cleanup.
[13:23] <XioNoX> Main loop ended, cleaning up
[13:23] <XioNoX> Any segfault past this message is likely due to improper threads cleanup
[13:23] <XioNoX> and it crash only on www.t45ol.com/
[13:23] <asac> XioNoX: well.. then dont get stuck on that
[13:23] <asac> we want to send out events
[13:23] <XioNoX> on adobe or youtube all is working good
[13:23] <asac> cool
[13:23] <gnomefreak> im not crashing there
[13:23] <asac> the alert also introduces some wierd races most likely
[13:23] <gnomefreak> with flash
[13:23] <asac> so dont be too bothered about that
[13:24] <XioNoX> ok good
[13:24] <asac> what we wawnt is to send out events that contain which mime-type is used
[13:24] <asac> and accumulate them somewhere
[13:25] <asac> so we can later use them to present the user a list of "plugins/mime-types in use on a page"
[13:29] <XioNoX> and this transparent for the user ?
[13:31] <asac> XioNoX: for now we could add a menu entry "other plugins ..."
[13:32] <asac> which then pops up the wizard with the mime-types currently in use on the current page
[13:33] <XioNoX> oh
[13:34] <asac> the other idea is to add a icon for the same operatoin to the bottom right corner of the window (e.g. status bar)
[13:34] <gnomefreak> almost like my day didnt start out shitty at 2am now my tv is broken and my push hasnt shown up on PPA yet :(
[13:34] <gnomefreak> be back.
[13:34] <asac> to catch users attention
[13:34] <XioNoX> ok
[13:34] <asac> gnomefreak: ppa is slow today
[13:34] <XioNoX> what do you prefer ?
[13:34] <asac> XioNoX: for now i'd prefer both
[13:34] <asac> e.g. implement one command
[13:34] <gnomefreak> i see that
[13:34] <gnomefreak> >10 minute
[13:35] <asac> present it as a menu entry as well as a icon in the status bar
[13:35] <asac> if the user clicks it we want the wizard for the mime-types we accumulated through the xbl constrcture
[13:36] <XioNoX> ok so I create another xul file
[13:37] <asac> XioNoX: yes. a "overlay"
[13:37] <asac> for the menu for now i'd say
[13:55] <gnomefreak> asac: im guessing you didnt upload firegpg into ubuntu archives right?
[13:55] <gnomefreak> PPA rejected my upload
[13:55] <gnomefreak> Rejected:
[13:55] <gnomefreak> The source firegpg - 0.5.1-0ubuntu1 is already accepted in ubuntu/intrepid and you cannot upload the same version within the same distribution. You have to modify the source version and re-upload.
[13:56] <gnomefreak> well ill give it an hour or 3 than push again
[14:03]  * asac  lunch
[14:03] <asac> bb in 30 minh
[14:06] <Jazzva> asac, back.
[14:08] <fta> hi
[14:08] <fta> anyone familiar with SVG here ?
[14:08] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, I think it will reject it again. Just add new changelog entry with version 0.5.1-0ubuntu2 (though, adding ~gnomefreak1 at the end of that would be more recommended)
[14:08] <Jazzva> fta, hi..
[14:08] <Jazzva> not me... sorry
[14:10] <gnomefreak> its because i delete the other ones and it hasnt gone through yet
[14:10] <Jazzva> ah, ok...
[14:10] <gnomefreak> and ill add ~jjv to it once its ready
[14:10] <gnomefreak> 2-3 hours at most
[14:10] <gnomefreak> ok back to pulling tv apart
[14:10] <Jazzva> good luck
[14:19] <fta> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/
[14:21] <fta> NSS for Linux – Flash Player 10 for Linux now supports Mozilla’s Network Security Services (NSS) for secure network connections.
[14:21] <fta> not sure how this works with our sonamed nss
[14:22] <fta> "Ubuntu OS Support — Flash Player 10 now supports Ubuntu, one of the most popular flavors of Linux." hmm
[15:00] <asac> fta: it should
[15:04] <asac> fta: cool
[15:05] <asac> (e.g. ubuntu support)
[15:08] <Jazzva> asac... i'm not sure about ia32-libs. It didn't show me list of files on packages.ubuntu.com
[15:19] <fta> i hope somehow HTML5 kills flash
[15:23] <XioNoX> or release sources of flash
[15:23] <XioNoX> or both
[15:25] <fta> flash is evil, free or not. integration is a pain
[15:30] <Jazzva> fta, hehe :)
[15:45] <XioNoX> asac, can we use external js files in xbl ?
[15:53] <asac> XioNoX: why not?
[15:54] <asac> but usually you implement your things in "implementation"
[15:58] <XioNoX> i've created the menuitem
[15:58] <XioNoX> the status bar item
[15:59] <XioNoX> but but i don't really know what they should do
[15:59] <XioNoX> displaying a new windows ?
[16:00] <XioNoX> be visible only in function of the js of the xbl ?
[16:00] <asac> XioNoX: you could make your own "menuitem" with xbl, which then could implement fields where you cann add "missing mime types"
[16:01] <asac> so when you click, the menu item knows what mime-types to look for alternatives for
[16:03] <XioNoX> the menuitem is (for the moment) in a new xul, so i have to put it in the xbl ?
[16:03] <XioNoX> i don't understand : which then could implement fields where you cann add "missing mime types"
[16:03] <asac> XioNoX: you could implement: "myspecialmenuitem" in xbl
[16:04] <asac> and then use that in your xul instead of menuitem
[16:04] <asac> XioNoX: maybe you can also just add arbitrary new fields to that menuitem though
[16:04] <asac> let me think ;)
[16:05] <XioNoX> new fields = new menuitem under the menuitem  ?
[16:06] <asac> getElementByid("mymenuitemid").usedMimeTypes =...
[16:07] <asac> XioNoX: look how the missingplugins thing stores its mime-types
[16:07] <asac> most likely we want to do it in a similar way
[16:09] <XioNoX> missingplugins thing ?
[16:10] <XioNoX> ha ok
[16:10] <XioNoX> asac, this part : ? event.preventDefault();
[16:10] <XioNoX>           // Fire a PluginNotFound event to trigger the infobar
[16:10] <XioNoX>           var ev = document.createEvent("Events");
[16:10] <XioNoX>           ev.initEvent("PluginNotFound", true, true);
[16:10] <XioNoX>           this.dispatchEvent(ev);
[16:28] <XioNoX> asac, I don't understand how the .Event thing in the xbl show a new window :(
[16:28] <XioNoX> i can't find references to it
[16:29] <asac> XioNoX: the event listener is probably in "browser.js" for now
[16:30] <asac> search the full source tree for the event name that is in the .xml
[16:32] <Jazzva> and i'm off for the most of the afternoon to work on client/server/workstation programs for school project...
[17:03] <XioNoX> ok, i've find it !
[17:03] <XioNoX> line 850
[17:03] <XioNoX> but i've got to go
[17:04] <XioNoX> i'll continue on this later
[17:04] <XioNoX> asac, thx  and see you later ;)
[17:10] <ksbalaji> my firefox 3.0.1 is screwed up. Built up bookmarks are gone! Im unable to select add-ons -FF3 just quits! help
[17:32] <asac> ksbalaji: restart your system. then start firefox from a terminal with the command
[17:33] <asac>   firefox -safe-mode
[17:33] <asac> if that makes firefox to startup, then disable all extensions (except the ubuntu one) in tool -> addons
[17:52] <ksbalaji> thanks asac I shall try.
[18:00] <ksbalaji> asac Before restarting, I tried safemode result::balaji@viva100:~$ firefox -safe-mode
[18:00] <ksbalaji> (firefox:27347): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[18:00] <ksbalaji> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[18:00] <ksbalaji> Segmentation fault
[18:06] <asac> ksbalaji: upgrade your system to latest
[18:07] <asac> reboot
[18:07] <asac> you have a differnt problem
[18:07] <asac> not firefox related
[18:07] <asac> ask on #ubuntu
[18:42] <gnomefreak> Jazzva: its on my PPA building atm if you want to test
[18:43] <Jazzva> gnomefreak, ok... will do later. currently working on a school project
[20:39] <Jazzva> asac, I just noticed this change in adblock-plus: "Reproduce the MPL license text in debian/copyright as required by policy, instead of installing it as a separate file."
[20:39] <Jazzva> That means I should fix this in few of my extensions...
[20:40] <fta> is that a new 3.8.* policy ?
[21:16] <Jazzva> fta, probably
[21:17] <fta> "Every package must be accompanied by a verbatim copy of its copyright and distribution license in the file /usr/share/doc/package/copyright. This file must neither be compressed nor be a symbolic link. "
[21:17] <fta> Jazzva, ^^
[21:18] <fta> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html#s-copyrightfile
[21:19] <Jazzva> hmm... ok
[21:19] <Jazzva> does that apply for gpl/lgpl/the rest in the common-licenses, too?
[21:19] <fta> no
[21:19] <fta> "Packages distributed under the UCB BSD license, the Apache license (version 2.0), the Artistic license, the GNU GPL (version 2 or 3), the GNU LGPL (versions 2, 2.1, or 3), and the GNU FDL (version 1.2) should refer to the corresponding files under /usr/share/common-licenses,[92] rather than quoting them in the copyright file. "
[21:19] <Jazzva> ah... good :)
[21:20] <fta> [92] In particular, /usr/share/common-licenses/BSD, /usr/share/common-licenses/Apache-2.0, /usr/share/common-licenses/Artistic, /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2, /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-3, /usr/share/common-licenses/LGPL-2, /usr/share/common-licenses/LGPL-2.1, /usr/share/common-licenses/LGPL-3, and /usr/share/common-licenses/GFDL-1.2 respectively.
[21:27] <fta> Jazzva, and remember to bump standard version to <IP_ADDRESS> while you're there
[21:28] <Jazzva> ok
[21:38] <asac> Jazzva: err.
[21:39] <asac> i dont think that that copyright policy can be done in ubuntu
[21:39] <asac> is that a debian policy?
[21:40] <Jazzva> umm... i suppose..
[21:41] <asac> i dont think we can actually do this. we are fighting for CD space
[21:41] <asac> and thus link everything that is a duplicated file
[21:41] <asac> same for .gz :)
[21:42] <asac> so for now, just ignore that imo
[21:42] <asac> (unless someone complains)
[21:42] <Jazzva> but this shouldn't be a problem for packages in universe/multiverse, right?
[21:42] <Jazzva> s/this/that
[21:42] <Jazzva> hmm... has flash 10 reached hardy yet?
[21:42] <asac> multiverse for sure
[21:43] <asac> universe has the same standards license-wise as main
[21:43] <Jazzva> aha... ok
[21:43] <asac> only difference is the support promise
[21:43] <Jazzva> canonical vs. community support
[21:43] <Jazzva> s/canonical/canonical+comm/
[21:43] <asac> Jazzva: yes.
[21:43] <asac> more or less
[21:43] <asac> all this will change hopefully
[21:43] <asac> but its not an easy task to do
[21:44] <asac> e.g. main vs. universe will go
[21:44] <Jazzva> change in what way?
[21:44] <asac> instead we will get "ubuntu desktop", "ubuntu server", "ubuntu server ibm editioN" and such
[21:44] <asac> there are discussions about that in debian devel
[21:44] <Jazzva> and how will that handle the support?
[21:45] <asac> well ... canonical would commit to support the "ubunt udesktop" and whatever seeds
[21:45] <asac> if there are third party entities that want to support other sets of packages they can do that
[21:45] <asac> with their own seed
[21:45] <Jazzva> and where will current universe packages go?
[21:46] <asac> its still unclear what to do with the intersecting packages though
[21:46] <asac> Jazzva: universe will stay universe
[21:46] <asac> main is just going away in the long run
[21:46] <asac> and will be replaced with "X distro"
[21:46] <asac> at lesat thats what i understood
[21:46] <asac> there are plenty of open points though
[21:46] <Jazzva> i will try to nod as if I understood that... but I think it's a bit fuzzy :)
[21:47] <asac> its all not well thought out
[21:47] <asac> e.g. not finalized
[21:48] <asac> its just understaood that the main/universe split isnt the best and probably isnt the most flexible way to do that
[21:48] <Jazzva> aham... ok
[21:48] <Jazzva> :)
[21:54] <Jazzva> asac, regarding nspluginwrapper, i still tend to get nspluginviewer's processes in a separate window.
[21:55] <Jazzva> and they don't work
[21:55] <Jazzva> if I don't close them, I can browse normally, but none of the flash works
[21:55] <Jazzva> if I close one of them
[21:55] <Jazzva> next time I bump into some flash  object, firefox crashes
[21:55] <Jazzva> at least, that's what I'm usually getting...
[21:55] <asac> Jazzva: thats 1.0.0 ?
[21:56] <asac> Jazzva: have you tried to remove libflashsupport.so?
[21:56] <asac> (which might still be shipped in ia32-libs)
[21:56] <asac> at least those create deadlocks
[21:56] <asac> which might cause issues when firefox wants to reuse the same pluginhost for a new website
[21:56] <Jazzva> I don't think i'm able to install ia32-libs. i'm on i386
[21:57] <Jazzva> And I don't think I have libflashsupport.so. But I'll run a find to make sure it's not there
[21:58] <asac> Jazzva: oh. you get that on i686
[21:58] <asac> strange
[21:58] <asac> havent seen any issues there
[21:59] <Jazzva> lucky you :)
[22:00] <fta> (flash is evil)
[22:00] <Jazzva> +1
[22:01] <asac> fta: convince all the flash developers out there that they should abandon their job
[22:01] <asac> until that happens flash usage will only accelerate
[22:02] <asac> (unfortunately)
[22:02] <fta> they will once there's something better... which has yet to occur
[22:02] <asac> well. i think you shoul dknow that everyone 30+ would try to put more energy in fighting for an old technology than learning a new one
[22:03] <asac> as long as the new alternative isnt really far, far ahead, adoption can only go through fresh blood
[22:03] <asac> who also have to convince their old bosses first ;)
[22:03] <asac> i think that flash will stay for ages :(
[22:03] <asac> svg failed
[22:04] <asac> all depends on whether there is a good developer studio
[22:04] <asac> that allows non-developers to develop something ;)
[22:04] <fta> svg is not a good competitor against flash
[22:06] <fta> i wish svg takes on, now that controls and animations are emerging, yet, it's not a video format, just a 2D vectorial still pictures format
[22:06] <asac> animations exist for ages
[22:06] <asac> i used a baltic like 6 years ago with javascript
[22:06] <asac> to do animation
[22:06] <fta> in svg ?
[22:06] <asac> yes
[22:06] <fta> mozilla doesn't have it yet
[22:06] <asac> the standard always defined animation ... the java implementation worked for ages
[22:07] <asac> same for the adobe implementation
[22:07] <asac> yeah ... mozilla decided against that
[22:07] <asac> no doubt one of the reasons why it failed
[22:07] <fta> they will, probably for 3.0.2
[22:07] <asac> lets hope
[22:07] <asac> but then you need to get a good svn implementation to the other 90% of the computers
[22:08] <asac> before you can really use that as a web-designer
[22:11] <asac> http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/batik/
[22:11] <asac> batik :) ... not baltic ;)
[22:12] <fta> there's still no native svg in IE, even IE8, but i don't care. I'm producing some now
[22:12] <asac> fta: well. windows has at least a proper plugin
[22:12] <asac> i think from adobe ;)
[22:13] <asac> or was it macromedia ... not that it would make a difference ;)
[22:13] <fta> which reach end-of-life in december
[22:13] <fta> +es
[22:13] <fta> adobe killed it
[22:13] <asac> oh
[22:13] <asac> cool
[22:13] <asac> well, then svg wont fly for sure i guess
[22:14] <asac> OTOH, there was a talk at moz summit about bringing mozilla technolgies to IE to not have this kind of dilemma
[22:14] <asac> e.g. produce a svg plugin for IE based on mozilla svg code
[22:14] <asac> so moz doesnt get stuck because of lazy IE in future
[22:36] <fta> asac, did they start something already ?
[22:39] <asac> fta: there was a demonstration about ... some picture format ... let me think ;)
[22:46] <Jazzva> IE doesn't support SVG? Wow...
[22:48] <fta> Q: I know this has been talked about (and deflected) over and over, but can we get a sense of what the MSFT mindset is on SVG? I personally think it is a great technology, but the lack of full browser support makes it very hard to use in production....
[22:48] <fta> A: We believe that graphics support is important, and SVG is a pretty good capture of capabilities, with lots of industry support (though the spec is big and inconsistently/incompletely implemented across browsers). It didn't make the IE8 cut.
[22:49] <fta> that's from http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/chats/transcripts/08_0619_ez_ie8.mspx
[22:56] <asac> umm
[22:56] <asac> too difficult apparently ;)
[22:57] <fta> i understand "It didn't make the IE8 cut" as "we have the code but not the quality yet"
[22:58] <fta> maybe i'm wrong
[22:58] <XioNoX> asac, still working ?
[22:58] <XioNoX> you never sleep ?
[22:58] <asac> no. i understand it as "we didnt care, but we claim that that was for the benefit of the customer - so we could release earlier" :)
[22:58] <asac> fta: ^^
[22:58] <asac> XioNoX: i am back ;)
[22:58] <asac> i am about to sleep :-D
[22:59] <asac> its just interesting to see whats going on :-D
[23:00] <XioNoX> asac, do you think that I could continue to contribute with you help after my internship ?
[23:01] <asac> if you continue to do useful things, why not :)
[23:01] <asac> otoh, it puts a pile of load on me too
[23:02] <asac> but i guess it wont be that intense anyway ;)
[23:03] <XioNoX> i'll be back at school so it will be less intense
[23:03] <asac> i guess
[23:03] <XioNoX> you work only on firefox ?
[23:03] <XioNoX> and NM ?
[23:04] <asac> mozilla in general
[23:04] <asac> weighted by importance to some degree ;)
[23:05] <XioNoX> ok, nice
[23:05] <asac> NM is something to get out in a different world. to escape from brain-deadlocks ;)
[23:06] <XioNoX> i'm using 0.7 if you need feedback ;)
[23:06] <XioNoX> how many dev works for canonical like you ?
[23:06] <asac> i have no exact number at hand right now
[23:07] <XioNoX> and do you read brainstorm idea around firefox ?
[23:07] <asac> i sometimes do
[23:07] <asac> or at least try to take a look
[23:08] <asac> some ideas are great, but hard to do
[23:08] <asac> faster firefox otoh, isnt really a good idea imo ;)
[23:08] <asac> "Better sound support" is not really a firefox issue ;)
[23:09] <XioNoX> what firefox 3.1 will use for the sound of ogg ?
[23:10] <asac> i hope its gstreamer which can use everything
[23:10] <XioNoX> You will have to code something specially for pulse of firefox dev take care ?
[23:10] <asac> fta: ?
[23:10] <asac> is gstreamer used in video tags?
[23:10] <fta> not yet
[23:10] <asac> ok. but i think thats the idea
[23:10] <asac> which would easily bring us easy-codec-install
[23:10] <fta> bug 422538
[23:10] <fta> mozilla bug 422538
[23:11] <asac> ubottu: go
[23:11] <fta> dead ?
[23:11] <asac>  mozilla bug 422538
[23:11] <asac> hurry ;)
[23:11] <fta> hm, gst is another one
[23:13] <fta> mozilla bug 422540
[23:14] <fta> it's a P1
[23:14] <XioNoX> Good night ;)
[23:14] <XioNoX> see you tomorrow
[23:14] <asac_> hmm
[23:14] <asac_> disconnect
 mozilla bug 422540
[23:15] <XioNoX> asac_, good night ;)
[23:15] <asac_> yep
[23:15] <fta> asac_, btw, the svg animation bug:  mozilla bug 216462
[23:16] <fta> nearly "landable"
[23:16] <asac_> good news
[23:17] <fta> but it's a wanted1.9.1
[23:17] <fta> the bot is slow...
[23:17] <asac_> yeah ;)
[23:17] <asac_> half a meg patch :-D


[09:54] <magdalena> Canonical Web Team is testing a new developer.ubuntu.com prototype. Want to help out for a £40 Amazon voucher? Sign up here: http://goo.gl/gseddd
[13:38] <kalikiana> timp: This is the log of the failing MainWindow unit rest https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-sdk/job/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-ci-i386-gles-stable/1216/console (search for 'mainwindow::init') - it segfaults at operator==. Other builds are failing, gles isn't...
[13:39] <kalikiana> A passing log looks like this https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-sdk/job/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-ci-i386-gles-stable/1216/console
[13:39] <kalikiana> Well, no. Like this https://jenkins.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-sdk/job/ubuntu-ui-toolkit-ci-amd64-stable/1466/consoleText
[13:40] <timp> kalikiana: where do you have the source code?
[13:40] <kalikiana> timp: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/outTheWindow/+merge/301278
[13:41] <timp> kalikiana: by the way, prefixing the test functions with testCase means nothing right? It should be test_
[13:41] <timp> I changed that in tst_mainview.cpp too
[13:42] <kalikiana> timp: Yeah. I just copied that really.
[13:43] <timp> shouldn't we use Q_NULLPTR instead of nullptr?
[13:45] <timp> kalikiana: I don't immediately see something that is obviously wrong. There is so much new stuff there.
[13:46] <timp> kalikiana: can the units additions be in a separate MR?
[13:46] <timp> and the test_launcher.window.qml should not be replaced, but add test_launcher.mainwindow.qml, because we don't want to break Window { MainView { } } I guess
[13:46] <timp> hmm, you are importing Ubuntu.Components.Labs 1.3. 1.0 should suffice right?
[13:48] <timp> I wonder if we can run the i386-gles locally in lxd. That would help debugging.
[14:34] <kalikiana> timp: Why should the units be separate?
[14:34] <kalikiana> Retaining the Window { MainWindow { isa  good point, I'll change that
[14:35] <kalikiana> timp: If I used nullptr it's because we use it elsewhere. I have 0 opinion on that.
[14:37] <timp> elsewhere, but not everywhere
[14:37] <timp> tim@XPS-13-9350:~/src/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/staging/src/UbuntuToolkit$ grep nullptr *.cpp |wc -l
[14:37] <timp> 64
[14:37] <timp> tim@XPS-13-9350:~/src/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/staging/src/UbuntuToolkit$ grep Q\_NULLPTR *.cpp |wc -l
[14:37] <timp> 88
[14:38] <timp> we use both.
[14:38] <timp> it is just something I wondered, not an important thing
[14:41] <kalikiana> Maybe something for loicm to investigate, he's good at improving consistency in the codebase lately :-D
[14:43] <loicm> kalikiana, timp: eheh, I thought about that one too :) IMO we should use nullptr in cpp files and Q_NULLPTR in headers, so that people who don't want C++11 features can use our libs
[14:45] <timp> what's the advantage of using nullptr over Q_NULLPTR in the cpp files?
[14:48] <loicm> timp: C++11 is the standard we use to build the libs and plugins, so we don't the macro in the implementation files, just in the headers so that it builds by converting to NULL for people who don't build with a C++11 compiler
[14:48] <loicm> timp: we could use Q_NULLPTR in CPP files too though
[14:50] <loicm> timp: but that's what Qt does, and I think we should just do the same
[14:50] <timp> oh, ok.
[14:50] <kalikiana> I'd say using the same everywhere is easier, otherwise you have to second-guess all the time
[14:51] <timp> I assumed qt uses Q_NULLPTR everywhere. Mainly because using the same thing everywhere makes it less likely to use the wrong one
[14:52] <loicm> kalikiana: arguably, nullptr looks better than Q_NULLPTR and since implementation files are bigger than headers and likely to use the keyword more it could be tempting to prefer that one over the other
[14:53] <loicm> timp, kalikiana: but well, TBH I don't really care about that as long as we use Q_NULLPTR in headers
[14:53] <loicm> timp, kalikiana: and it's the same for Q_OVERRIDE and override actually


 I think a headache counts as that now.  Did you see that accountsservice issue? Bad!!!
[08:38] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey, yes I wrote on it now
[08:39] <seb128> GunnarHj, I don't have access to the old bug referenced
[08:40] <seb128> is that leading to any practical issue? or just the config can't be read by the user?
[08:42] <GunnarHj> seb128: That *is* a practical issue.
[08:43] <GunnarHj> seb128: As regards access, do you mean the old bug I mentioned? If so — now you have. (But I don't think it adds so much value at this point.)
[08:45] <GunnarHj> seb128: Correction: The config can be read but not changed by the user.
[08:47] <seb128> GunnarHj, the bug description didn't even describe the user visible impact so it's hard to guess for me
[08:47] <GunnarHj> seb128: Sorry. It was late, and I was tired. :/
[08:48] <seb128> GunnarHj, no worry :)
[12:16] <jbicha> happy Friday
[12:20] <seb128> jbicha, hey, happy friday! how are you?
[12:22] <jbicha> good :)
[12:22] <oSoMoN> happy Friday jbicha
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[00:47] <DarthFrog> OK, I need some help from a bigger brain than mine. :-)   The command "find ?.*" does what I want: finds those files that start with a single character (digit)followed by a . then the rest of the file name.
[00:48] <OerHeks> Darkwing, nice to know
[00:48] <DarthFrog> But if I use it to develop a shell script, viz. "for i in `find ?.*`; do echo $i; done" it prints out the individual words of each file name on a separate line instead of the entire file name on one line as I need.
[00:48] <OerHeks> err DarthFrog
[00:49] <DarthFrog> OerHeks: I figured you meant me but fumbled the tab completion. :-)
[00:49] <DarthFrog> My goal is to develop a shell script that will rename files from 1.*, 2.* to 01.*, 02.*, and so on.
[00:50] <DarthFrog> but not to touch files already properly named 10.*, 11.*, etc.
[00:50] <DarthFrog> Any suggestions?
[01:02] <OerHeks> DarthFrog, simular like this cd numer issue ?? > https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=124712
[01:02] <OerHeks> c/numer/number
[01:04] <DarthFrog> OerHeks:  have I ever let you know that you are the wind beneath my wings?  :-)  Thank you, that's exactly what I want to do.
[01:08] <OerHeks> I want to find a better playlist editor for cd's with a "Ft artist bla bla" or compilation cd's that messes up the database
[01:09] <OerHeks> Clementine is nice, btw
[01:09]  * OerHeks struggles with MTV unplugged artists and such
[01:20] <akoma1s> ubottu: help
[01:20] <akoma1s> sigh
[01:20] <akoma1s> how do I interrogate this bot?
[01:21] <akoma1s> it won't answer queries
[01:21] <mrafcho001> I upgraded to kernel 3.10 and I'm having a strange problem where my laptop's display is Black (not off), but external displays work just fine. As far as I can tell KDE thinks that the laptop display is working fine. Any ideas why only my laptop display is black?
[01:24] <akoma1s> mrafcho001: try this:   for i in `xrandr | awk '($1 ~ "-") {print $1}'`; do xrandr --output "$i" --auto; done
[01:25] <akoma1s> or is it the brightness that is too low?
[01:28] <mrafcho001> akoma1s: nothig is coming up
[01:29] <mrafcho001> akoma1s: The dispaly is definitely on, i can see the backlight dimming and brightening up when I use my Fn key shortcut, but its just displaying black color.
[01:29] <akoma1s> mrafcho001:
[01:29] <akoma1s> does the mouse cursor appear in that screen?
[01:30] <mrafcho001> akoma1s: It does not display, but there "space" since i can drag it around in what would be that screen's real estate
[01:31] <akoma1s> right
[01:31] <akoma1s> could you do a  { xrandr; cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log; } | pastebinit
[01:31] <akoma1s> and paste the address here?
[01:31] <mrafcho001> sure
[01:35] <mrafcho001> akoma1s: http://pastebin.com/QFk1mBNU
[01:35] <akoma1s> thanks
[01:36] <akoma1s> heh, my initial command wouldn't have worked for you anyway :)
[01:37] <mrafcho001> akoma1s: if it helps, with the 3.9 series kernels, everything works well, I'm not sure why only 3.10 is being uncooperative
[01:40] <akoma1s> ok, a few more questions then:
[01:40] <akoma1s> 1. which ubuntu version you're using?
[01:40] <mrafcho001> Kubuntu 13.04 with mainline kernel 3.10
[01:41] <akoma1s> and 2. have you enabled the xorg-edgers PPA?
[01:41] <mrafcho001> I don't believe I have
[01:42] <akoma1s> you could try that as a next step
[01:42] <akoma1s> if it doesn't solve the problem,
[01:42] <akoma1s> try Saucy next
[01:42] <akoma1s> btw, is there some specific reason you're trying the 3.10 kernel?
[01:43] <mrafcho001> not a very solid reason, but with every iteration my laptop has been working better and better, so I've kept upgrading
[01:43] <mrafcho001> things like sleep, Fn keys, brightness, started out as not working
[01:43] <mrafcho001> to working quite well
[01:43] <mrafcho001> figured 3.10 would have more improvements
[01:44] <akoma1s> same as for all of us then :)
[01:45] <akoma1s> well, Intel's drivers are a bit fragile, so the best I could suggest is try, and if it doesn't work, just revert to the previous version
[01:45] <mrafcho001> i've tried that already actually
[01:45] <akoma1s> is there anything on your laptop that doesn't work on 3.8/3.9?
[01:46] <mrafcho001> its fragile, 1/5 boots none of the Fn keys will work, i only reboot my laptop when i upgrade kernel, so its never been much of an issue
[01:46] <mrafcho001> but i'd like for that to go away
[01:47] <akoma1s> I see :/
[01:48] <akoma1s> If you're feeling brave, you could try following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hotkeys/Troubleshooting , reporting bugs along the way.
[01:48] <mrafcho001> so whats xorg-edgers ppa? I've heard it mentioned before
[01:48] <akoma1s> I usually just remap the non-functioning keys to their Win+Alt equivalents, eg. Win+Alt+F8 instead of Fn+F8
[01:49] <akoma1s> it has the latest graphics stack, for testing purposes
[01:49] <akoma1s> if you're using the latest kernel, you most definitely want to use it
[01:49] <mrafcho001> it doesnt seem to be helping
[01:49] <mrafcho001> this is just the weirdest issue
[01:49] <akoma1s> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=raring
[01:51] <mrafcho001> i guess ill stick with the 3.9 series for now, maybe things will be better in 3.10.1 hah
[01:51] <mrafcho001> akoma1s: thanks for your help
[01:51] <akoma1s> so, if I understand correctly, the Fn keys work for you in 3.10?
[01:52] <mrafcho001> seem to work fine, though most of the time they work in 3.9, its on the occasion boot up that they dont work. Its probably a kernel module failing to load for some odd reason. Never had the insentive to look into it
[01:52] <akoma1s> I see,
[01:53] <akoma1s> that's definitely a kernel problem problem then, probably some race issue between drivers
[01:53] <akoma1s> sorry I couldn't be of much help, I'm usually more capable with the laptop in front of me :/
[01:54] <mrafcho001> yeah, i know how it is
[01:54] <mrafcho001> thanks for trying though
[01:54] <mrafcho001> its appreciated
[01:54] <akoma1s> np
[01:55] <akoma1s> have you filed a bug report for your laptop?
[04:00] <gork> hi there, anybody want to chat? i'm looking for somebody in order to practice my english...
[08:01] <Novinek> hello
[08:01] <Novinek> can somebody help me? :-)
[08:01] <Novinek> (adding new card)
[08:34] <stefano> hello
[10:16] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[16:49] <Yud_Zroc> any guides to customizing KDE?
[17:32] <lordievader> Good evening.
[19:42] <turgay> chromium synchronization does not work
[19:42] <turgay> why ?
[21:26] <crysler> ciao a tutti
[21:27] <puff> There doesn't seem to be a hibernate/suspend-to-disk option, is this hidden somewhere?
[23:01] <maximus2> UUU SO LONLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:03] <maximus2> AAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:03] <maximus2> CANT TAKE IT
[23:05] <maximus2> ....-_-
[23:13] <maximus200000000> DDDD
[23:14] <maximus239239893> DAMIT
[23:14] <maximus239239893>  OOPS
[23:22] <SYCHO_IDIOT_OF_D> DDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[23:36] <valorie> turgay: chromium synchro -- do you mean access to tabs from other devices?
[23:36] <valorie> if so, works great for me
[23:50] <turgay> valorie: https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/185277?hl=en
[23:50] <turgay> this setting does it work ?
[23:54] <valorie> yes, works for me perfectly
[23:55] <valorie> the key once you turn on syncing on each device, is to open a blank tab
[23:55] <valorie> that's where you'll find the little "link" at the right-hand bottom which says Other devices
[23:55] <valorie> right next to Web Store
[23:56] <valorie> off to dinner now.....


[17:38] <Unit193> ubot2 Thinks the LTS is Hardy Herron 8.04
[17:38] <ubot2> In #ubuntu-irc, Unit193 said: ubot2 Thinks the LTS is Hardy Herron 8.04
[17:39] <IdleOne> !lts
[17:39] <Pici> jpds ^
[17:39] <Pici> ubot2: lts
[17:39] <IdleOne> ubot2: lts
[17:39] <ubot2> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Hardy (Hardy Herron 8.04)
[17:40] <Pici> ubot2: +lts
[17:40] <Pici> ^+lts
[17:40] <Pici> meh
[17:41] <jpds> Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:40:04 +0100: Database update operations completed.
[17:41] <jpds> Weird.
[17:42] <Pici> jpds: Does your bot have $CurLts entries?
[17:42] <jpds> Pici: No idea.
[17:43] <jpds> ubot2: @config supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.database
[17:43] <ubot2> jpds: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[17:44] <jpds> ubot2: config supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.database
[17:44] <ubot2> jpds: Global: ubuntu; #ubuntu-irc: ubuntu
[17:44] <ubot2> jpds: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[17:44] <jpds> Yep, no clue.
[17:44] <Pici> Let me see if I can remember where thats set...
[17:45] <Pici> ubot2: config plugins.encyclopedia.curLTS
[17:45] <ubot2> Pici: Hardy
[17:45] <ubot2> Pici: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[17:45] <Pici> ubot2: config list plugins.encyclopedia
[17:45] <ubot2> Pici: #alert, #database, #ignores, #prefixchar, #privateNotFound, #relaychannel, #remotedb, curDevel, curDevelLong, curDevelNum, curLTS, curLTSLong, curLTSNum, curStable, curStableLong, curStableNum, datadir, notfoundmsg, and public
[17:45] <ubot2> Pici: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[17:45] <jpds> Fixed.
[17:46] <Unit193> ubot2: lts
[17:46] <ubot2> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Lucid (Hardy Herron 8.04)
[17:47] <Pici> jpds: not so fixed.
[17:47] <jpds> Can we just hard-code the response into the factoid?
[17:48] <Unit193> ubot2: supybot.plugins.Encyclopedia.curLTSLong
[17:48] <ubot2> Unit193: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[17:51] <Unit193> Thanks muchly!


[04:24] <mup> Bug #1704028 changed: [2.3, HA] Registering a second region api causes strange traceback <MAAS:Expired> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1704028>
[06:47] <deepu> hi please guide for installtion of MAAS to confogure openstack
[07:24] <mup> Bug #1716328 opened: [2.2] VM creation with pod accepts the same hostname and push out the original VM <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1716328>
[13:33] <Guest72371> Hi, wanted to check if someone has working on custom maas repo management. I have configured custom maas repo, and how wanted to import custom kernel into simplestreams repo for MAAS, but not sure of how it needs to be imported. If someone has already worked and can provide some inputs that would be great.
[13:55] <Guest72371> basically, main issue is how to sign the image file that needs to be uploaded to the repo? Do we need to define any metadata structure?
[20:34] <mup> Bug #1716492 opened: maas-dns floods syslog by reloading all zones every 2 seconds <amd64> <apport-bug> <xenial> <maas (Ubuntu):New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1716492>
[20:34] <mup> Bug #1716493 opened: Machine ownership visibility option <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1716493>
[21:04] <mup> Bug #1716493 changed: Machine ownership visibility option <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1716493>
[21:04] <mup> Bug #1716494 opened: Admin certificate upload <MAAS:Incomplete> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1716494>


[03:32] <murcherson> hi folks, feel a bit of a dumbass for asking this but how do i take a right-click action in a folder that's full i.e. like paste or open in terminal. These options are all greyed out because I've right-clicked on a file not an empty space. I know I can change the view to arrange some empty space but is there an easier way to do this. Thanks and sorry for the huge post.
[03:35] <Amaranth> murcherson: #ubuntu is the proper channel for support but all the stuff in the right click menu should be in the File and Edit menus
[03:36] <murcherson> yeh i was just hopint there was a way to do via mouse
[03:37] <murcherson> thanks though
[03:41] <JanC> murcherson: it's a known bug
[03:43] <JanC> murcherson: and you can use the File menu or right-click the directory button in the file hierarchy above the list
[03:44] <JanC> or maybe the Edit menu, e.g. to "paste"
[03:44] <murcherson> how do you mean the directory button please
[03:45] <murcherson> its not so much for paste but for opening a terminal
[03:46] <JanC> murcherson: hm, that doesn't work with the buttons on the location bar
[03:46] <JanC> but it does work from the File menu
[03:48] <murcherson> it would just be nice to be able to open terminal or other specialised right-click menu functions without having to use file menu
[03:48] <murcherson> i know its not much but would be handyt for me
[03:48] <murcherson> handy
[03:48] <JanC> yes, it would, but there is a lot of discussion about how  ;)
[03:50] <murcherson> can i set up a button that would somehow make the cursor think that it is in an unactive area of a folder
[03:50] <murcherson> i.e. an empty space
[03:51] <JanC> that's exactly what the discussion is about, how/what to create "empty space"
[03:52] <JanC> I wish they could decide faster too ;)
[03:53] <JanC> hm, maybe we could do something with nautilus extensions (but that might slow down a real solution)
[09:42] <huats> morning
[09:45] <baptistemm> salut huats
[09:45] <huats> hello baptistemm
[12:25] <UbuntuNoobester> Hi everyone.  Fairly new to linux.  I was running Raid-0 (2 SSD Drives) for my Windows 7 OS and then decided to try Ubuntu 9.10 so I installed it on a partition of my 500GB Sata secondary drive.  The install went fine but I do not get the grub option for my windows 7 operating system now nor do I see the Raid-0 volume on Ubuntu desktop.  Any ideas?
[14:08] <manolo__> Hi to all. I notice there's a 1.9 GB file named uuid-0000-0F11.AOO52U and contained into the /home/manolo/.local/share/gvfs-metadata directory My problem is that I'm trying to free some hd space. Is that file useful? Can I remove it? Thanks
[14:15] <maxb> I don't know exactly what it is, but gvfs is to do with mounting other filesystems, often network filesystems.
[14:16] <manolo__> maxb yes, I realized it...
[14:18] <manolo__> maxb: another question. I nothice I have 2 "trash" directories under my home folder. One is named .Trash-0 and the other .Trash-1000
[14:18] <manolo__> are both in use?
[14:22] <maxb> The numbers I think refer to uids. So .Trash-0 would be things trashed by root, I guess
[14:23] <maxb> Assuming you don't have anything you need to rescue from the trash, it should be fine to delete them all, and just let an appropriate trash be recreated automatically when needed
[14:30] <chrisccoulson> the gvfs-metadata folder just contains information about files/folders, and is used by things like nautilus to store information about folder-specific customizations etc
[14:31] <chrisccoulson> you can delete it if you want to lose those customizations
[14:31] <manolo__> chrisccoulson: do you think it's normal to have a 1.9GB customization file?
[14:32] <chrisccoulson> no, it's probably corrupted in some way
[14:33] <manolo__> ok, maybe it could be safer to move such a directory into my external hd and try my system of a week or two...
[14:34] <manolo__> in case the system goes without problems, I'll definitely remove it
[14:47] <manolo__> Well... strange things happen in this world... I've been removing sjust some files contained into those .Trash folders... that is I indirectly moved them into the (supposed to be) currently used Trash folder. Then I emptied the (current) trash and it automatically completely removed those alternative trash folders...
[15:01] <manolo__> thanks for your time. CU :)
[15:45] <serialorder> I was checking to see if telepathy-mission-control-5 should be synced but the unstable version now ships  accountManager.service and warns 'The AccountManager.service is inappropriate on mainstream distributions'
[15:45] <serialorder> I am thinking this means it should not be synced for lucid since it is a LTS would that be correct?
[15:46] <serialorder> http://pastebin.com/f64fc2729
[21:19] <serialorder> anyone around?