[08:28] <enyc> Tm_T: sure... I see  thanks ;-)
[08:28] <enyc> tritium: thanks for letting me know ;-)
[08:29] <Tm_T> yup, you notice that "officially" is important or insignificant, depends what you consider important
[08:29] <enyc> anyway.. Ive never worked out howto see the  -RC bugs list  sort of thing.... i.e. list of bugns  that must be sorted for beta / RC / etc...
[08:29] <enyc> Tm_T: hrrm like universe... is so useful
[08:30] <Tm_T> enyc: yup, but for some people the official part is crucial
[08:30] <tag-> Is the ipw3945 driver like buggy or something
[08:30] <tag-> ?
[08:31] <tag-> also, I'm having this weird problem where some gtk windows don't share my system theme.
[08:31] <enyc> Tm_T: its better than trying to officially support 'everyithng' OR exclude lots of things...
[08:31] <enyc> Tm_T: I understand...
[08:32] <enyc> thankyou all for comments ;-)
[08:32] <tag-> pidgin?
[08:33] <Tm_T> enyc: btw when/if you test ppc-feisty, slap me ;)
[08:33] <penta> is there a daily build of netboot for feisty?
[08:33] <enyc> Tm_T: Id like to see PPC feisty released at some point "not officially supported" but no hurry ;-)
[08:34] <enyc> Tm_T: Id really like a RC version I can install today ;-)
[08:34] <enyc> Tm_T: (for x86)
[08:34] <enyc> Tm_T: not related to PPC
[08:35] <tritium> This regression with atheros support is no fun.  I might have to switch back to edgy until it gets addressed.
[08:35] <Tm_T> enyc: well, I'm just interested to know if there any big clitches, before I start one project
[08:35] <enyc> Tm_T: sorry i dont understand "one project"
[08:35] <enyc> anayway i must be going...
[08:36] <enyc> so... 20070411 is likely to be used as -RC version now?
[08:36] <tritium> enyc: no, 20070412
[08:36] <enyc> tritium: err....
[08:36] <enyc> tritium: ok
[08:36] <enyc> tritium: ill get tat one if I dont see any -RC later...
[08:36] <enyc> thankyou all ;-)
[08:37] <crdlb> tritium, what regression?
[08:38] <elguavas> has anyone been on here mentioning boot problems since the latest 2.6.20-14 update... ??
[08:38] <mcarroll> 20070412 will not be RC either:
[08:38] <mcarroll> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000279.html
[08:38] <mcarroll> https://www.stgraber.org/ubuntu/isotesting/
[08:38] <tritium> crdlb: atheros wireless not working
[08:38] <crdlb> tritium, when did the update happen?
[08:39] <gacevedo> hi there
[08:39] <tritium> crdlb: sometime back
[08:39] <mcarroll> elguavas: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=408057
[08:39] <gacevedo> after an automatic update from update manager, my system won't start with new kernel 2.6.20-14-generic
[08:40] <crdlb> tritium, oh, I installed 20070411 on a dell laptop with an AR5212 and it works
[08:40] <gacevedo> I've just made the update, and I had to start my system with old kernel instead
[08:40] <gacevedo> any help would be appreciated
[08:42] <tritium> crdlb: it may be a Thinkpad issue, then.
[08:42] <tritium> I've seen it on T43p and X60 Tablets.
[08:42] <crdlb> tritium, I'll try the cd on my T42
[08:42] <tritium> crdlb: does it work with WEP and/or WPA?  Does it work with NetworkManager?
[08:42] <lomez> anyone know of a good AIGLX/Compiz guide, maybe a stick forum on UbuntuForums?
[08:42] <tritium> crdlb: that would be good info
[08:42] <crdlb> tritium, unencrypted with networkmanager
[08:42] <tritium> crdlb: AR5212 is exactly what the two Thinkpads I've tested have.
[08:42] <enyc> Aaah! bah ! just got email!
[08:42] <enyc>     467 Apr 12 Colin Watson        (4437) Ubuntu 7.04 release candidate delayed
[08:43] <elguavas> mcarroll: thanks, reading it now, have same problem as thread: usb card reader drives mapped as /dev/sd* and preventing boot...
[08:43] <enyc> bah!  sorry all for bugging you ;-)
[08:43] <tritium> crdlb: it may work unencrypted, but not otherwise
[08:43] <gacevedo> nobody else is experiencing this issue with latest kernel upgrade?
[08:44] <lomez> none, the latest kernel upgrade has been beautiful for me
[08:44] <elguavas> gacevedo: me too
[08:44] <lomez> too bad i have an ATI card
[08:46] <tritium> crdlb: thanks for looking into it
[08:46] <gacevedo> elguavas: any idea?
[08:47] <gacevedo> elguavas: for now, I've set the grub default to old kernel, but... *shrugs*
[08:47] <elguavas> gacevedo: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=408057  usb initialisation problem on latest feisty kernel 2.6.20-14 , causes a hang on boot for lotsa folks...
[08:47] <hexidigital> gacevedo:  heh.. i can't even boot an old kernle
[08:47] <hexidigital> kernel
[08:48] <gacevedo> I see...
[08:49] <elguavas> mcarroll: yep looks like same problem, no matter what i do latest kernel on fiesty hangs on final stages of USB initialisation, seems many having this problem
[08:56] <_filippo_> !wine
[08:56] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[08:58] <gacevedo> Okay, restored .back initrd file
[08:58] <gacevedo> gonna reboot and see what happen
[09:04] <mzuverink> darn kernel upgrade always requires reboot at the least desired time, there has to be some Murphy's's law about that...
[09:06] <mzuverink> so the latest kernel upgrade for feisty breaks something sometimes on certain machines?
[09:07] <crdlb> tritium, I just enabled WPA2 and it does work on the dell with an AR5212 on an up-to-date feisty
[09:08] <Sgeo> G'night all!
[09:08] <crdlb> I'll try it on my t42 tomorrow, I have to find the livecd :)
[09:09] <crdlb> (it does work on this thinkpad with networkmanager on gentoo, but that's mostly irrelevant)
[09:17] <Jeruhme> anyone know how to fix:
[09:17] <Jeruhme> Fatal server error:
[09:17] <Jeruhme> could not open default font 'fixed'
[09:17] <Jeruhme> in xwindows?  I've tried evrything and about to give up
[09:20] <Hidan> omg I can't believe i turned off the fan in my psu by mistake and was running it fanless for a day or 2 O_O
[09:26] <Andruk> i cant login using gdm.  i input my un an pw and it crashes back to the login screen.  anybody know how to help?
[09:27] <crdlb> Andruk, have you tried the "Failsafe Gnome" session?
[09:27] <Andruk> i did, ill try again
[09:28] <crdlb> Andruk, what about Failsafe terminal?
[09:28] <Andruk> crdlb: nope, but i can hit ctrl+alt+F1 and get to the terminal that way...
[09:28] <lomez> hmm
[09:29] <crdlb> Andruk, if you can login with failsafe terminal that would indicate the problem isn't with gdm
[09:29] <lomez> i am having problems with GParted, anyone there to help?
[09:29] <Andruk> crdlb: oh...ill try failsafe gnome and failsafe-terminal again...
[09:33] <Andruk> crdlb: failsafe-gnome didnt work...failsafe-terminal did though
[09:34] <crdlb> Andruk, try running 'dbus-launch --exit-with-session gnome-session' in the failsafe terminal
[09:35] <pollyo> Hello
[09:36] <pollyo> Anyone know where I could find info on getting beryl to work with a nvidia TNT2 card?
[09:36] <Andruk> crdlb: gnome launched
[09:36] <bluefox> anyone else notice if you change graphics cards it breaks X
[09:36] <bluefox> and there's no easy way to reconfigure it
[09:36] <Andruk> bluefox: have you tried 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[09:37] <crdlb> Andruk, hmm, not sure what the problem is then
[09:37] <bas> i just did an update of my feisty install.. it now doesn't boot anymore, it's giving errors: ata1.00 ata_hpa_resize... n_sectors mismatch 15601488 !=<PHONE_NUMBER>23559036164... ata 1.00: revalidation failed.. ata 1.00: disabled.. scsi1: ata_piix
[09:37] <bluefox> Andruk:  yes.  Have you tried being asked a thousand questions?
[09:37] <bas> any ideas what i should do?
[09:38] <Andruk> crdlb: i can give you the ~/.xsession-errors if you like?
[09:38] <bluefox> Andruk:  when I put in a LiveCD it configures X just fine without asking me, I would like it to do that.
[09:38] <bluefox> Andruk:  I'm at the point where I have a working X display, except I have NO MOUSE POINTER  o.x
[09:38] <RememberPOL> hiya
[09:38] <bas> seems like there is something wrong with the kernel. btw my / partition is on a sda partition
[09:38] <Andruk> bluefox: ...sorry
[09:39] <crdlb> Andruk, I've really got to get some sleep too :|
[09:39] <crdlb> it's 3:39 AM
[09:39] <Andruk> crdlb: thats cool, thanks for your help
[09:40] <RememberPOL> so when i start 7.04, i see that it now has some automatic VMWare service scripts like starting the virtual monitor, ethernet driver, etc. but what exactly does this do? ..does it just make the startup process of running VMWarePlayer faster?
[09:41] <Andruk> bluefox: do you have a backup of your xorg.conf from before you switched?
[09:41] <bluefox> Andruk:  no, that won't work.  the switch involed, so far, changing "via" to "nvidia" on one line
[09:42] <bluefox> brb trying to hack in a config from a live cd
[09:43] <Andruk> bluefox: when you get back, i take it youve tried dpkg-reconfigure with different mouse options and none of them work?
[09:46] <dissonans> I see the restricted-modules package for the previous kernel revision is no longer in the repository, is it maintained in another repository?
[09:46] <dissonans> I'd like to revert to the previous kernel, but I'd need to sync my nvidia kernel driver with the X driver
[09:47] <dissonans> the current kernel (-14) just gets more and more broken, now it won't even boot :(
[09:52] <Andruk> i cant login using gdm.  i input my un an pw and it crashes back to the login screen.  anybody know how to help?
[09:53] <bas> dissonans: I'm having the same thing
[09:57] <AmyRose> Hey I just upgraded to kernel 2.6.20-14 and can't boot it
[09:57] <AmyRose> I had to go back to 2.6.20-13
[10:06] <AmyRose> I was getting a validation error or something (error code -19) while trying to boot the latest kernel
[10:06] <AmyRose> This would appear right after Grub handed control to the kernel
[10:07] <Tm_T> AmyRose: and latest would be...
[10:07] <flo-_-> i have this major problem , the same with AmyRose, pls someone help i need my laptop to work
[10:08] <Tm_T> come on, give me package version so I can compare it to mine
 Hey I just upgraded to kernel 2.6.20-14 and can't boot it
[10:09] <dissonans> me neither :P
[10:09] <dissonans> first broken sound, then plain broken
[10:11] <flo-_-> the preveios kernels work tgough
[10:11] <AmyRose> I booted up 2.6.20-13
[10:11] <AmyRose> the latest is 2.6.20-14
[10:11] <dissonans> I'm trying to go back to an older kernel, but first I must fix my nvudua driver :\
[10:11] <dissonans> nvidisa
[10:12] <dissonans> oops, new keyboard
[10:12] <AmyRose> I got this "validation error" or something (error code -19)
[10:12] <dissonans> still  not used to the ergonomic layout :)
[10:13] <XenSA> any one can help with the networkmanager applet
[10:14] <gnomefreak> XenSA: tells you you are not connected?
[10:14] <XenSA> yeah gnomefreak
[10:15] <gnomefreak> XenSA: fix is done just hasnt been uploaded
[10:15] <gnomefreak> XenSA: i just built it and it works fine so  keybuk should upload before release
[10:16] <AmyRose> Tm_T: Sorry it took so long, but I had to look this up. The exact package version is <IP_ADDRESS>.12
[10:16] <Tm_T> AmyRose: thanks
[10:17] <AmyRose> Tm_T: np. I try to be helpful :)
[10:18] <AmyRose> Tm_T: Hold that thought--the linux-image package is 2.6.20-14.23 :/
[10:18] <Tm_T> :)
[10:18] <Tm_T> same as here
[10:18] <Tm_T> hmm
[10:19] <AmyRose> I had to disable the splash screen to see the error code
[10:19] <dissonans> it's an ATA error is it not
[10:19] <AmyRose> it looks like one
[10:20] <dissonans> I'll reboot into kernel -12 and try to install nvidia manually
[10:21] <elguavas> anyone have any news on the sata problem with kernel 2.6.20-14.23 ??  (ie, is there a fix comming soon)
[10:21] <Tm_T> AmyRose: there's been some changes related to it :p
[10:21] <Tm_T> so somewhat expected
[10:21] <AmyRose> well, at least I could boot back into -13 and have it working again
[10:21] <Tm_T> gotta go ->
[10:22] <Andruk> gnomefreak: so, is there pretty much a freeze on all but the most necessary progs?
[10:22] <AmyRose> Andruk: Read the topic... :/
[10:23] <Andruk> >.<  wow...i feel really stupid...i even read it before i posted...
[10:23] <AmyRose> hehehe
[10:24] <Andruk> i am having troubles logging in.  gdm simply crashes back to the login screen after i login.
[10:24] <AmyRose> Only critical bugs will be fixed, but after, they'll probably fix others :)
[10:24] <AmyRose> like they always do
[10:25] <Andruk> yeah...no offense to them or anything...but thats something that i would expect from their largest competitor, not Ubuntu...
[10:25] <Andruk> but i suppose i do it as well,,,
[10:25] <Andruk> lol, im upgrading to that exact kernel...
[10:25] <AmyRose> huh?
[10:26] <Andruk> <-- currently apt-get upgrading
[10:26] <AmyRose> They just don't want to introduce untested software which would introduce a bunch of new bugs
[10:27] <Andruk> true, i suppose...
[10:31] <AmyRose> Unlike what Microsoft does :P
[10:32] <seiflotfy> hmmmmmmmm
[10:32] <seiflotfy> feistys new upgrade wont boot
[10:32] <seiflotfy> kernel 14 that is
[10:33] <seiflotfy> only 13
[10:33] <seiflotfy> any ideas
[10:33] <elguavas> AmyRose: what, like changing the sata driver in the kernel just before release... :\
[10:34] <elguavas> seoflotfy: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063
[10:34] <ubotu> Malone bug 106063 in linux-source-2.6.20 "MASTER: Computer will not boot after 2.6.20-14.24 kernel upgrade" [Critical,Fix committed]
[10:34] <dissonans> wtf, I can't even modprobe the nvidia driver?!
[10:34] <dissonans> "error running install command for module nvidia" or whatever
[10:34] <dissonans> my manually installed nvidia driver that is
[10:35] <elguavas> ubotu: yeah, but when the comitted fix available from anywhere... ?
[10:35] <elguavas> seiflotfy: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063
[10:35] <ubotu> Malone bug 106063 in linux-source-2.6.20 "MASTER: Computer will not boot after 2.6.20-14.24 kernel upgrade" [Critical,Fix committed]
[10:39] <gnomefreak> Andruk: there is a freeze in the sence that nothing can be uploaded without a manual push. nothing new can be uploaded and only the most important bug fixes
[10:39] <gnomefreak> can be uploaded
[10:39] <zdzichuBG> !daily
[10:39] <ubotu> Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[10:39] <zdzichuBG> hmm, no sparc daily?
[10:40] <Andruk> cool
[10:41] <gnomefreak> zdzichuBG: there should be
[10:42] <zdzichuBG> gnomefreak: I think so
[10:42] <zdzichuBG> gnomefreak: but there's only server flavor (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/)
[10:42] <gnomefreak> zdzichuBG: give me a few minutes
[10:43] <balster_neb> drat, I was just about to upgrade from edgy to feisty
[10:44] <gnomefreak> zdzichuBG: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily/current/
[10:44] <balster_neb> I guess I'll have to wait till this new booting problem is fixed
[10:44] <zdzichuBG> gnomefreak: hmm, in ports. thank you!
[10:44] <gnomefreak> yw
[10:44] <slackern> I got lucky with the new kernel i guess, no problem here for me with sil3112 satacontroller
[10:45] <gnomefreak> new kernel is still broken last i heard it will be fixed in few days
[10:46] <balster_neb> anyone have any idea if the problem will occur with an nforce chipset?
[10:47] <dystopianray> balster_neb: what problem?
[10:47] <balster_neb> dystopianray, the problem with the latest feisty kernel update that people are talking about
[10:48] <dystopianray> balster_neb: which is?
[10:48] <balster_neb> dystopianray, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063
[10:48] <ubotu> Malone bug 106063 in linux-source-2.6.20 "MASTER: Computer will not boot after 2.6.20-14.24 kernel upgrade" [Critical,Fix committed]
[10:49] <balster_neb> I was just about to upgrade from edgy to feisty
[10:49] <dystopianray> oh, fixed already
[10:50] <balster_neb> oh, any idea what time it was fixed?
[10:50] <balster_neb> I'd like to check if the mirror I'll be using has been updated
[10:50] <dystopianray> hrrm I don't know, it just says 'fix commited' for the status
[10:51] <balster_neb> yup
[10:51] <macogw> any java coders here?
[10:51] <dystopianray> "Ben had a fixed kernel last night, thus setting to fix committed." that was said 1 hour ago
[10:52] <dystopianray> macogw: what level of expertise do you require?
[10:52] <balster_neb> oh, yes
[10:53] <dystopianray> I don't know if that comment means the fixed kernel is actually available yet though
[10:53] <macogw> dystopianray: a level of expertise that's enough to tell me if they can compile anything that uses a Scanner or abstract/generic class using Java 6 on Feisty
[10:54] <balster_neb> yeah, it's not clear
[10:54] <dystopianray> macogw: oh, i'd help but I don't have feisty or java 6, only edgy and java 5
[10:57] <macogw> dystopianray: you know what channel this is, right?
[10:57] <dystopianray> macogw: you don't need feisty to hang out here
[10:57] <macogw> yeah i know
[10:57] <macogw> just seems sort of something to be expected
[10:57] <dystopianray> i'm waiting for the RC, then I will install it
[10:58] <balster_neb> does the timestamp of the file ls-lR.gz at http://ftp.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ indicate when the repositories were last updated?
[11:01] <_eMaX_> hi all
[11:01] <_eMaX_> anyone has problems with knetworkmanager at the moment?
[11:01] <dystopianray> _eMaX_: what problem exactly?
[11:02] <_eMaX_> I got a huge dist-upgrade today and since then, even after a reboot, it doesn't show me any more wireless networks though they do work if I use wlassistant.
[11:02] <_eMaX_> knetworkmanager does show me the wireless network card when I select "static connection..."
[11:03] <Ingjerd> hello. Todays kernel-upgrade won't recognize my harddrive anymore, says that the UID or something isn't there
[11:03] <dystopianray> _eMaX_: does the wireless interface have any entries in /etc/network/intefaces ?
[11:04] <Ingjerd> the boot drops me to initramfs
[11:04] <_eMaX_> Ingjerd for the quick fix you could edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and replace the UUID... by /dev/hdax or similar
[11:04] <_eMaX_> let me check. may be the update changed that
[11:04] <Ingjerd> ok, can I do that from the initramfs-tty?
[11:04] <_eMaX_> yes it has
[11:05] <dystopianray> _eMaX_: try removing/commenting the parts for the wireless interface and restarting network-manager and knetworkmanager (or rebooting)
[11:05] <_eMaX_> Ingjerd: if you are able to mount your hard disk from there, yes. I normally boot from a memory stick to fix  such things
[11:05] <_eMaX_> ok how do I restart just network-manager? (not knetworkmanager)
[11:06] <_eMaX_> ok seen it in the process list
[11:06] <dystopianray> I believe it's init script is in /etc/dbus-1/event.d/
[11:07] <balster_neb> fittingly, today is friday the 13th :)
[11:07] <Ingjerd> emax, what's the syntax for mounting sda3 from initramfs when I don't have sda in /dev nor fstab?
[11:08] <Ingjerd> balster_neb: true
[11:10] <Ingjerd> can I call root= from grup when I boot?
[11:10] <zdzichuBG> Ingjerd: mknod /dev/sda3 b 8 3
[11:10] <Ingjerd> ok :)
[11:10] <zeroflag> any tool for mounting different kinds of cd images? (like daemon tools)
[11:11] <dystopianray> zeroflag: you can use mount to mount regular isos
[11:11] <Ingjerd> zdzichuBG: 3 is not an option ...
[11:11] <zeroflag> dystopianray: no regular images.
[11:11] <dystopianray> zeroflag: what sort of images?
[11:12] <zeroflag> dystopianray: mostly mdf (alcohol iirc).
[11:13] <Ingjerd> nvm...
[11:13] <zdzichuBG> Ingjerd: hmm, is busybox mknod different than regular?
[11:13] <dystopianray> zeroflag: there is an mdf2iso program that can convert mdf to iso
[11:13] <flo> what is the comand for strarting the restricted driver manager?
[11:14] <eMaX> for maybe that very reason (friday 13th), the line "iface eth3 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces is now preventing my knetworkmanager from seeing any wireless interfaces. Thanks dystopianray for the idea.
[11:14] <gnomefreak> flo: restricted-manager i would think or use the menu entry
[11:14] <flo> thx
[11:15] <dystopianray> zeroflag: actually you should be able to mount an mdf file just like a normal iso: $ sudo mount -o loop blah.mdf /mountpoint
[11:15] <zeroflag> dystopianray: I'm not going to waste all my carefully ripped CD images on iso. >_<
[11:16] <dystopianray> zeroflag: try mounting it as if it were an iso and see if that works
[11:16] <eMaX> ok here is the next weird thing. How can I force knetworkmanager (or dhclient, maybe) to use a given default gw?
[11:17] <dystopianray> eMaX: a different gw to what dhcp is providing?
[11:17] <zeroflag> dystopianray: ah, thank you.
[11:17] <eMaX> yep
[11:17] <zeroflag> dystopianray: what does the loop option do?
[11:17] <eMaX> one of my routers insists on providing himself as a gw
[11:17] <dystopianray> zeroflag: you use that when you are mounting files, rather than block devices
[11:17] <eMaX> even though he himself knows that his own default gw is another one.
[11:18] <zeroflag> ah, thanks.
[11:19] <dystopianray> zeroflag: there are usually tools to convert from most image formats to iso, or you can mount them directly with some mount trickery
[11:20] <Andruk> AmyRose: looks like the kernel update actualy fixed my machine >.<
[11:20] <dystopianray> zeroflag: like this to mount a Nero .nrg image: $ sudo mount -o loop,offset=307200 blah.nrg /mountpoint
[11:20] <dystopianray> eMaX: you can probably configure dhclient to override the gateway
[11:21] <eMaX> dystopianray: actually when I restart the router, it provides the real gw via dhcp.
[11:21] <dystopianray> eMaX: ah cool
[11:23] <eMaX> ok fixed it. I had two dhcp servers actually.
[11:23] <tom_G> hi all
[11:24] <tom_G> anyone know where i can find a release schedule for fglrx? like when aiglx will be supported!
[11:24] <dystopianray> tom_G: there isn't one
[11:25] <dystopianray> tom_G: I don't think there is any guarantee that it'll ever be supported
[11:25] <tom_G> grrrr hate ati......
[11:27] <Andruk> do XFX drivers/cards with nVidia chipsets generally support Compix/XGL/Beryl/AiGLX?
[11:28] <Ingjerd> ok, I got it working by booting into windows and mounting the ext3-drive from there and replacing the kernel-backup in /boot
[11:28] <tom_G> Andruk : yea nvidia are good, buy nvidia!
[11:28] <dystopianray> Andruk: it's just a an nvidia card, so yes
[11:28] <Andruk> cool, thanks!
[11:28] <tom_G> Andruk: and u dont need xgl, just aiglx
[11:28] <Ingjerd> andruk: drivers are mostly tailored to chipsets, not specific cards
[11:29] <Andruk> Ingjerd: oh, that makes more sense i suppose...
[11:29] <dystopianray> Andruk: the brand of the card doesn't matter, they only differ in clock speeds, heatsinks and other minor deatils
[11:29] <Andruk> cool
[11:29] <dystopianray> and the windows software bundle
[11:30] <jin> how can you enable more compiz effects in feisty?
[11:30] <jojoman02> is the RC out?
[11:30] <dystopianray> jojoman02: not yet
[11:31] <jojoman02> it's already the 13th:P
[11:31] <jojoman02> :(
[11:34] <Andruk> tom_G: yeah...ati really drops the ball with linux support.  they should really just ink out a legal deal with different distros that will allow the distros to tailor the driver to their distro, but the distros cant release any of the specifications so nVidia cant steal ideas
[11:35] <sohum> ok, i have a weird problem with my feisty installation
[11:35] <jojoman02> dime
[11:35] <dystopianray> Andruk: I'd rather distros didn't waste their time screwing around with binary drivers
[11:35] <sohum> i'm not sure when this started, but it seems like after a certain time after I boot, all root processes hang
[11:36] <tom_G> Andruk: no they should just release the specs, for all but their brand new cards, thereby forcing nvidia to release the specs as well, then we can all be happy with os drivers, except for the new cards with cutting edge technology, so ati would have les work to do only supporting those, and they might then be a half decent driver
[11:36] <sohum> my network connection (managed by NetworkManager) drops, system monitor freezes, any commands I try to run with sudo hang
[11:36] <sohum> but evrything else seems to work fine
[11:38] <Frost^> Howdy. I've ran an upgrade today (feisty to feisty) and my system is now unbootable. When I boot I get a message regarding mdadm, which finds no devices.
[11:39] <pollyo> Hello
[11:39] <sohum> weird prob with feisty: i'm not sure when this started, but it seems like after a certain time after I boot, all root processes hang. NetworkManager drops my connection, my system monitor applet hangs, any commands I run with sudo hang, but everything else works fine.
[11:39] <pollyo> Anyone here have beryl running on legacy nvidia?
[11:39] <sohum> pollyo: i have bery on a new nvidia, sorry
[11:40] <Frost^> I don't have any RAID at all, and so I stuffed an old live CD and reconfigured the mdadm package accordingly. I've also changed the symlink in /etc/rc2.d/S25mdadm as the readme suggests to /etc/rc2.d/K75mdadm. Still, when I boot, I have the same message. I was wondering what is causing mdadm to run at all. Any suggestions?
[11:40] <dystopianray> pollyo: you'll need to use xgl for legacy nvidia
[11:40] <sohum> weird prob with feisty: i'm not sure when this started, but it seems like after a certain time after I boot, all root processes hang. NetworkManager drops my connection, my system monitor applet hangs, any commands I run with sudo hang, but everything else works fine.
[11:40] <sohum> ...can anyone read me?
[11:41] <dystopianray> sohum: are there any error messages?
[11:41] <sohum> dystopianray: not that i can see
[11:42] <sohum> dystopianray: should i check any logs?
[11:42] <dystopianray> sohum: ah i'm not really sure
[11:42] <dystopianray> sohum: check the log files in /var/log/ to see if there is anything suspicious
[11:42] <sohum> which ones?
[11:43] <sohum> dystopianray:^
[11:43] <dystopianray> sohum: hrrm. probably daemon and messages
[11:45] <Frost^> Howdy. I've ran an upgrade today (feisty to feisty) and my system is now unbootable. When I boot I get a message regarding mdadm, which finds no devices. I don't have any RAID at all, and so I stuffed an old live CD and reconfigured the mdadm package accordingly. I've also changed the symlink in /etc/rc2.d/S25mdadm as the readme suggests to /etc/rc2.d/K75mdadm. Still, when I boot, I have the same message. I was wondering what is caus
[11:45] <sohum> dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/wlan0 for sub-path wlan0.dbus.get.host_name
[11:46] <sohum> dystopianray:^, and it repeats three more times with the last section changing to domain_name, nis_domain, and nis_servers
[11:46] <dystopianray> sohum: hrrm I'm not sure if that is causing or contributing to your problem
[11:47] <dystopianray> sohum: it'd have to be something fairly major if it's breaking so many applications
[11:47] <Sharcho> Is there some way to disable the network icon in the gnome panel?
[11:48] <sohum> dystopianray: nmbd is also complaining about not finding a domain master browser, but that's an old error (i think)
[11:48] <dystopianray> sohum: that nmdb error shouldn't matter, samba should make itself the master browser if it finds no others
[11:49] <zeroflag> is there any way to get xen running without installing a ancient kernel?
[11:50] <sohum> dystopianray: oh, and when i ran ps auxkpcpu, the X server was at the bottom of the list, using a large amount (I didn't see how much) of cpu
[11:50] <dystopianray> sohum: how much cpu?
[11:50] <sohum> (last tiem the freeze happened)
[11:50] <tom_G> zeroflag: th kernels using something else isnt it now? kvm?
[11:50] <dystopianray> tom_G: that is different from xen
[11:50] <zeroflag> huh?
[11:51] <sohum> dystopianray: didn't check, but more than beagled, which normally uses 30-50%
[11:51] <tom_G> dystopianray: i know, but its still virtualization
[11:51] <dystopianray> tom_G: kvm needs hardware virtualisation support
[11:51] <tom_G> dystopianray: oh right sorry, my bad
[11:51] <Trewas> Frost^: maybe it's caused by bug 106063, latest kernel being unbootable seems to be a common problem...
[11:51] <ubotu> Malone bug 106063 in linux-source-2.6.20 "MASTER: Computer will not boot after 2.6.20-14.24 kernel upgrade" [Critical,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106063
[11:52] <julio_> When I turn on my computer the NetworkManager Applet says "No Network Connection" but I can still connect to the internet, so I have to restart my connection manually to get the message to go away
[11:56] <Frost^> Trewas: I see
[11:56] <Frost^> Well I haven't tried booting an older kernel, I might do that later on. Thanks.
[11:59] <sohum> anyone can help me?
[12:01] <sohum> in case it matters, i've upgraded this straight from edgy, from ~herd5 onto now
[12:04] <sohum> weird prob with feisty: i'm not sure when this started, but it seems like after a certain time after I boot, all root processes hang. NetworkManager drops my connection, my system monitor applet hangs, any commands I run with sudo hang, but everything else works fine.
[12:04] <sohum> dystopianray: nmbd is also complaining about not finding a domain master browser, but that's an old error (i think)
[12:04] <zeroflag> I don't like xen.
[12:04] <sohum> dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/wlan0 for sub-path wlan0.dbus.get.host_name
[12:04] <zeroflag> first I need to build a new kernel and then it's not even the latest. :[
[12:04] <sohum> and it repeats three more times with the last section changing to domain_name, nis_domain, and nis_servers
[12:04] <sohum> oh, and when i ran ps auxkpcpu, the X server was at the bottom of the list, using a large amount (I didn't see how much) of cpu
[12:05] <sohum> dystopianray: didn't check, but more than beagled, which normally uses 30-50%
[12:05] <sohum> in case it matters, i've upgraded this straight from edgy, from ~herd5 onto now
[12:05] <sohum> anyone can help?
[12:07] <Gambaroni> When I try to connect to my TFTP with PXE the log says: cannot bind to local socket: Permission denied. Why?
[12:07] <zeroflag> AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHH
[12:08] <sohum> weird prob with feisty: i'm not sure when this started, but it seems like after a certain time after I boot, all root processes hang. NetworkManager drops my connection, my system monitor applet hangs, any commands I run with sudo hang, but everything else works fine.
[12:08] <zeroflag> can anyone suggest some kind of virtual machine tool that is free and DOES NOT require a outdated custom kernel?
[12:08] <Chetwin> Hi all
[12:09] <Chetwin> This one time... At I've had too much to drink camp...
[12:09] <Chetwin> I'm so drunk, I couldn't play an FPS if my life depended on it
[12:09] <sohum> zeroflag: qemu?
[12:10] <Chetwin> F qemu until I can get 3d
[12:10] <Chetwin> qemu!
[12:10] <Chetwin> !qemu
[12:10] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[12:11] <sohum> weird prob with feisty: i'm not sure when this started, but it seems like after a certain time after I boot, all root processes hang. NetworkManager drops my connection, my system monitor applet hangs, any commands I run with sudo hang, but everything else works fine.
[12:16] <zeroflag> sohum: possibly something that runs fast/native.
[12:20] <balster_neb> anyone know if the fix for the kernel boot problem has reached the respositories?
[12:21] <mixandgo> is there any reason for avahi thingy to exist ? :D
[12:21] <dystopianray> mixandgo: it's for zeroconf
[12:22] <mixandgo> and who starts it ? cause its not in rc2.d
[12:23] <mixandgo> I am seriously thinking to switch back to gentoo
[12:24] <vio> hiya
[12:24] <vio> easy question: cgwd theme on compiz what do i need to install for cgwd support?
[12:25] <dystopianray> mixandgo: I think it's in /etc/dbus-1/event.d/
[12:26] <dystopianray> mixandgo: and /etc/default/avahi-daemon has the setting of whether to start it or not
[12:33] <kane__> hi, latest kernel upgrade broke feisty for me.. (some problems with nvidia modules...)
[12:34] <dystopianray> kane__: you'll need to be more specific about what the problem is
[12:35] <kane__> right now I'm in console... how can I get you the info (what info)?
[12:35] <dystopianray> kane__: use the nv driver to get back into X
[12:37] <dystopianray> kane__: does dmesg or /var/log/Xorg.0.log have any info about why the nvidia driver is failing to work?
[12:37] <zeroflag> ok, this is officially ridiculous...
[12:37] <zeroflag> windows cd boots faster in qemu than in native...
[12:37] <NickGarvey> I try to do my upgrades.. and I am getting "  403 Forbidden [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80] "
[12:38] <kane__> dystopianray wait a second I
[12:38] <dystopianray> zeroflag: are you using kqemu?
[12:38] <gemidjy_> 403 forbidden error while fetching http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic_2.6.20-14.23_i386.deb
[12:38] <NickGarvey> gemidjy_: that would be the one
[12:38] <NickGarvey> everything else works
[12:38] <jin> omg, I forgot to watch bleach this week :(
[12:38] <NickGarvey> gemidjy_: good, I thought I got banned or something hah
[12:38] <gemidjy_> NickGarvey: wait for 10 minutes, might be developpers update
[12:38] <mixandgo> dystopianray, and who starts network-manager ?
[12:38] <gemidjy_> NickGarvey: banned??
[12:39] <NickGarvey> gemidjy_: sounds good to me, if you want to do the rest of your upgrades then you can just do "sudo aptitude upgrade", that will keep going even if one package fails
[12:39] <NickGarvey> gemidjy_: like I apt-get updated  too much or something, so my ip got banned
[12:39] <dystopianray> mixandgo: it's in the same folder that the avahi init script is in, there is probably something /etc/default/ to control whether it starts or not
[12:39] <bullgard4> Since last upgrade my NetworkManager Applet shows in a tooltip 'No network connection' despite I have a functioning Ethernet connection. This error did not appear during last but one upgrade. Do you observe the same phenomenon?
[12:40] <gemidjy_> NickGarvey: that can't be a case
[12:40] <NickGarvey> gemidjy_: yeah, because same thing happened to you, so its not just me :)
[12:40] <mixandgo> dystopianray, so the way to shut them up is to remove the file completelly from events.d ?
[12:40] <mixandgo> *event.d
[12:41] <dystopianray> mixandgo: no there should be a file for them in /etc/default/
[12:41] <kane__> dystopianray what I found "Failed to load nvidia kernel module"
[12:41] <dystopianray> kane__: do you have the restricted-modules package for your kernel?
[12:41] <_eMaX_> re
[12:42] <kane__> dystopianray well the problem might be that after installing the 14 kernel I rebooted but it didnt start (it hanged right at the beginning so I restarted again and chose 13 kernel...
[12:42] <_eMaX_> bullgard4: I had to edit /etc/network/interfaces and comment out the line iface eth3 inet dhcp and finally to restart network-manager
[12:43] <_eMaX_> anyone has an idea what's wrong since last update I get no more sound
[12:44] <_eMaX_> tons of snd_* modules are loaded, yet I hear nothing.
[12:44] <dystopianray> _eMaX_: have you checked the volume levels?
[12:44] <_eMaX_> yes
[12:44] <_eMaX_> with my thinkpad specific buttons and also with kmixer
[12:45] <kane__> how can I find out where does the startup hang?
[12:46] <mixandgo> dystopianray, it's not in /etc/default
[12:46] <zdzichuBG> kane__: in grub menu, press 'e' twice and remove "quiet"; or replace it with "verbose"
[12:46] <OlMightyG> hi guys
[12:46] <dystopianray> _eMaX_: are you sure that nothing is muted?
[12:47] <OlMightyG> my feisty is noch booting after some updates
[12:47] <OlMightyG> made yesterday evening some.. everything fine. today morning some more but then it hung while booting
[12:47] <dystopianray> mixandgo: avahi-daemon is in there, but for network-manager I'm not exactly sure how to disable it, I don't have it on the machine i'm currently using
[12:49] <_eMaX_> dystopianray: I'm checking again and again. no I don't see anything being muted
[12:49] <OlMightyG> is this booting problem known?
[12:50] <dystopianray> OlMightyG: where does it hang?
[12:50] <dystopianray> _eMaX_: what sound card do you have?
[12:51] <OlMightyG> within the ubuntu screen. even recovery mode does not work. booting with the old kernel works
[12:51] <Hidan> woohoo feisty's almost smooth for me now xD
[12:51] <dystopianray> mixandgo: easiest way to disable networkmanager is to just uninstall it
[12:52] <mixandgo> dystopianray, I could also remove it's starting script
[12:52] <mixandgo> but there must be a clever way
[12:53] <dystopianray> mixandgo: probably, but I don't know what it is
[12:54] <kane77> hi, I managed to get the graphics back, however, the 2.6.20-14 kernel hangs on "waiting for root filesystem" (or something like that) any ideas why?
[12:55] <mixandgo> dystopianray, I can't understand why so many daemon startup ways/scripts
[12:56] <clever[rev] > [115755.320000]  BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000000
[12:56] <clever[rev] > that aint good
[12:56] <dystopianray> mixandgo: yeah i know what you mean, it's quite retarded compared to how gentoo handles it, i am also previously a gentoo user
[12:57] <mixandgo> I thought I was the only one feeling this way about it
[12:57] <bullgard4> _eMaX_: I have commented out the line "iface eth2 inet dhcp" and I am going to restart my NetworkManager. Thank you.
[01:00] <_eMaX_> good luck
[01:01] <dystopianray> is there any way to get network-manager to flash or something if there is network activity?
[01:02] <dystopianray> the system tray icon i mean
[01:04] <rocky|away> just got a kernel update... booting appears to be hanging :(
[01:04] <bullgard4> _eMaX_: The irritating tooltip message has been replaced with a correct one. I hope this will persist even when rebooting.
[01:05] <_eMaX_> bullgard4: yet does it connect your network?
[01:05] <bullgard4> _eMaX_: Yes it does.
[01:05] <_eMaX_> ok cool. it persists after rebooting.
[01:05] <OlMightyG> @rocky: me too
[01:06] <_eMaX_> now I just have to unfuckup my sound settings. Seems I've to compile the alsa drivers myself according to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=406676
[01:07] <rocky|away> OlMightyG: is it a known issue?  seems like even booting in recovery mode is hanging
[01:07] <rocky|away> it's failing after it detects my builtin multi-flash-card reader
[01:07] <rocky|away> s/failing/hanging/
[01:07] <dystopianray> _eMaX_: is there a bug filed for this issue? I'd recommend simply using an older kernel until it is fixed
[01:07] <_eMaX_> dystopianray: well I am using an older kernel.
[01:07] <OlMightyG> @rocky: i dont know if it is known. here it hangs after detecting my sata device
[01:08] <_eMaX_> dystopianray: it seems related to the fact that restricted modules were updated.
[01:08] <dystopianray> _eMaX_: restricted-modules should not affect alsa
[01:08] <_eMaX_> dystopianray: at least, according to that thread
[01:08] <gharz> guys, i'm getting an update notice for linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic but i'm getting an error => 403 Forbidden [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80] . why?
[01:08] <rocky|away> OlMightyG: right, it's detecting my mult-flash-card reader as SDX devices (right after it detects my SATA as SDX devices)
[01:08] <rocky|away> so it sounds related
[01:09] <dystopianray> gharz: it's probably only a temporary issue, give it 30 mins or so and try again
[01:09] <gharz> dystopianray, thanks!
[01:09] <gharz> maybe...
[01:10] <gharz> dystopianray, coz this is the first timei'm getting an error downloading updates.
[01:10] <_eMaX_> I also tried apt-get --reinstall install libasound2 libasound2-dev
[01:10] <OlMightyG> @rocky: yes. seems so. any idea how to solve this problem?
[01:10] <_eMaX_> didnt help
[01:10] <OlMightyG> @rocky: i booted with my old kernel. that works
[01:10] <dystopianray> _eMaX_: are you getting those dmesg errors about missing symbols?
[01:10] <_eMaX_> I was thinking of the headphone jack sense which had been a problem a while ago, yet this setting no longer appears in alsa mixter
[01:10] <_eMaX_> no
[01:11] <_eMaX_> dmesg | grep sym gives nothing
[01:11] <gharz> guys, anybody here's who's using kiba-dock?
[01:11] <dystopianray> _eMaX_: what if you grep for 'snd'
[01:11] <rocky|away> OlMightyG: just booted another kernel like you ... don't know of anything else
[01:11] <_eMaX_> nothing
[01:11] <rocky|away> it's a bit scary that recovery mode of the current kernel doesn't work tho
[01:11] <_eMaX_> lsmod | grep -i snd gives many modules
[01:12] <dystopianray> rocky|away: all it does is boot into single user mode, still depends on a working kernel
[01:12] <OlMightyG> @rocky: if even the recoverymode does not work.. how can we do anything :) ?
[01:12] <_eMaX_> it's a bit scary that this type of problems occurs a week before release
[01:12] <rocky|away> oh
[01:12] <rocky|away> _eMaX_: indeed
[01:13] <rocky|away> heh, the only older kernel i have installed is a 386 one with no smp so my second core isn't being used :(
[01:13] <_eMaX_> .oO(canonical should not have hired that guy from microsoft)
[01:13] <rocky|away> lol
[01:13] <dystopianray> _eMaX_: the release will be delayed if critical issues like this aren't fixed
[01:13] <OlMightyG> @dystopianray: what do you mean with singel-user mode?
[01:13] <_eMaX_> well anyway. I'm waiting for my stupid winxp install to finish in my vmware and then I'll just try the windows approach.
[01:13] <_eMaX_> i.e., reboot.
[01:13] <balster_neb> canonical hired someone from microsoft?
[01:14] <_eMaX_> I think his name was bill gates.
[01:14] <dystopianray> OlMightyG: it's another runlevel where no daemons or network services are started
[01:15] <balster_neb> ah, that guy
[01:15] <Hobbsee> (new kernel's building now, i think)
[01:15] <_eMaX_> They gave him a cool welcome package... http://www.inforos.ru/?id=17998
[01:15] <OlMightyG> @dystopianray: any idea how to make my other kernel work again?
[01:15] <dystopianray> OlMightyG: not really, sorry
[01:16] <OlMightyG> is it possible to run the old kernel and upgrade it to the final one?
[01:16] <Hobbsee> OlMightyG: chroot in, update the kernel, when the new version is published
[01:16] <_eMaX_> Oh shit
[01:16] <Hobbsee> OlMightyG: of course, yes
[01:16] <_eMaX_> how could I possibly have overlooked that
[01:16] <_eMaX_> today's friday the 13th
[01:16] <balster_neb> yup
[01:16] <balster_neb> the date explains all the troubles
[01:17] <OlMightyG> i tried to find out if it will work... but the updatemanager says that my system is up to date.
[01:18] <rocky|away> only having one core active sucks
[01:18] <OlMightyG> what was the version number of the kernel update today?
[01:18] <_eMaX_> rocky|away: why was it youre not using the current kernel
[01:18] <dystopianray> rocky|away: it'll probably be more like: 2.6.20-14.24
[01:20] <balster_neb> I guess I'll probably have to wait another 12 hours or so before I can do my edgy -> feisty upgrade
[01:20] <_eMaX_> hmm. xp is truely amazing. right after installation, it logs me in, opens the start menu and shows a "guitar" icon right next to my user name. How did it detect I play guitar.
[01:21] <dystopianray> _eMaX_: it randomly picks an image for your user's icon
[01:21] <rocky|away> _eMaX_: huh? i am using the current kernel, that's the problem, it's hanging my system
[01:21] <kekZpriester> _eMaX_, i think you used windows before, which was phoning home, so M$ knows much more than only that you are playing guitar
[01:22] <balster_neb> that, or microsoft has hired a creepy guy to spy on you
[01:22] <OlMightyG> @emax: it scans your brain, transmits it to microsoft and for saying thank you it choses one nice icon for you
[01:22] <_eMaX_> obviously it was listening through my microphone sometimes and found me playing a guitar.
[01:22] <_eMaX_> wow
[01:22] <_eMaX_> It doesn't propose anything under recent documents, like an mp3 of my recent songs
[01:22] <balster_neb> one of these days you'll hear windows apluad for you after you play
[01:23] <_eMaX_> LOL
[01:23] <OlMightyG> @rocky: does grub show you the new kernel?
[01:23] <clever[rev] > !oops
[01:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about oops - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:23] <dystopianray> it'd be awesome if windows slipped anti-linux propaganda randomly into any sounds it plays
[01:23] <gharz> guys, anybody here who's using kiba-dock on feisty?
[01:26] <_eMaX_> next thing that's broken is nat for vmware
[01:26] <_eMaX_> fuck
[01:26] <PriceChild> !ohmy
[01:26] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:28] <rocky|away> OlMightyG: i just went to /var/cache/apt and found the previous 2.6.20-14 kernel and dpkg -i installed it and it's working fine
[01:29] <UberPsyX> hi, i have a problem with my wireless connection, i just lost my connection after about 5mins after setting it up and cant reconnect, i can see the router on wifi-radar but cant get the IP. any ideas?
[01:29] <dystopianray> UberPsyX: have you tried restarting the router?
[01:29] <UberPsyX> and im running feisty
[01:29] <UberPsyX> yup
[01:29] <dystopianray> UberPsyX: does it work fine with edgy?
[01:30] <rocky|away> bah, deskbar-applet crashes everytime i log in now
[01:31] <UberPsyX> dont know, i used to have a good connection with edgy then something went wrong with ubuntu so i reinstalled and updated to feisty now i just got the wifi card working again and got a connection then i lost it and reconnected, it was fine then it died again and i now cant connect
[01:31] <rocky|away> and... for some odd reason everytime i log in i have no network connection so i have to click on the networkmanager icon in my panel tray and re-select wired connection again
[01:31] <_eMaX_> UberPsyX: did you ever think of commenting out "iface eth3 inet dhcp" or similar in your /etc/network/interfaces and then to restart network-manager?
[01:31] <UberPsyX> god i hate setting up wifi connections
[01:32] <dystopianray> UberPsyX: if you use network-manager it'll only take a few seconds
[01:32] <UberPsyX> ive tried network manager always fails
[01:32] <OlMightyG> @rocky. so i should not do this too?
[01:32] <dystopianray> UberPsyX: how does it fail?
[01:32] <rocky|away> OlMightyG: do what?
[01:33] <UberPsyX> it comes up at the bottom, connection faile
[01:33] <dystopianray> UberPsyX: does it fail in the same way that wifi-radar is currently failing to connect?
[01:33] <UberPsyX> think so
[01:33] <Jed> Hey, i need a hand when you have a moment spare someone
[01:33] <dystopianray> UberPsyX: does any other distro or operating system work with the wireless?
[01:33] <OlMightyG> re install the old kernel
[01:34] <rocky> OlMightyG: you can try it sure ... worked for me
[01:34] <UberPsyX> edgy used to work and feisty has worked
[01:34] <dystopianray> UberPsyX: have you tried moving closer to the access point?
[01:34] <UberPsyX> well im at a desktop but yes its pretty damn close
[01:34] <OlMightyG> you said you have problems now
[01:34] <rocky> OlMightyG: oh i had those problems before :)
[01:35] <OlMightyG> what do i have to do to install it?
[01:35] <Jed> what drivers are your wireless card using?
[01:35] <UberPsyX> me? i have a bcm4318 chipped card so i had to use a firmware thing
[01:36] <Jed> hmmmm, let me just do some research
[01:37] <dystopianray> UberPsyX: have you tried with ndiswrapper?
[01:37] <Gambaroni> When I try to connect to my TFTP with PXE the log says: cannot bind to local socket: Permission denied. Why?
[01:37] <UberPsyX> yes
[01:38] <UberPsyX> i got the card working fine now i just need to get the connection working
[01:38] <Jed> have you tried bcm43xx-fwcutter?
[01:38] <OlMightyG> @rocky: what do i have to do to reinstall the other kernel?
[01:39] <UberPsyX> well i skipped a step and downloaded the right firmware
[01:39] <UberPsyX> then it started working
[01:39] <Jed> its working now?
[01:40] <UberPsyX> the card is yes, the connection was but isnt now and i need to try and get a connection again but it keeps saying it cant get the IP
[01:40] <Jed> you use dhcp?
[01:40] <UberPsyX> yup
[01:41] <Jed> just assign an ip address manually for now, should work in theory
[01:41] <anti_pop> which package do i need in order to get video preview pictures in konqueror ??
[01:43] <UberPsyX> on the router and the ubuntu pc?
[01:43] <Jed> just on the ubuntu pc
[01:43] <Jed> works with mine
[01:44] <UberPsyX> nope didnt work
[01:45] <Jed> ok, switch wireless to roaming mode, click the network manager icon and click your wireless network
[01:45] <UberPsyX> ive also tried setting my wifi card to roaming mode but it still doesnt work
[01:45] <Jed> ssid hidden?
[01:46] <UberPsyX> no broadcast ssid etc
[01:46] <Jed> hmmmm, you tried rebooting?
[01:46] <Jed> i always forget to do it lol
[01:46] <OlMightyG> rocky, you there?
[01:47] <UberPsyX> what between changing settings?
[01:47] <Jed> nope, just reboot the computer, should work
[01:48] <_eMaX_> re
[01:48] <Jed> I probably sound like an idiot asking this but when the final release of feisty comes out will my install just update to it?
[01:48] <_eMaX_> rebooted and sound works
[01:48] <_eMaX_> somehow vmware nat is still not working
[01:48] <_eMaX_> anyone here proficient in iptables?
[01:49] <UberPsyX> nope still doesnt help
[01:49] <Jed> hmmmm, someone help me on this, would rebooting the router work?
[01:50] <UberPsyX> nope tried that
[01:50] <UberPsyX> lol
[01:50] <UberPsyX> its really temperamental
[01:50] <UberPsyX> my pc hates me
[01:50] <UberPsyX> as soon as one thing starts working another thing kills itself
[01:51] <Jed> go to a terminal, type "modprobe bcm43xx" without quotes and reboot
[01:51] <bullgard4> What is the function of the file ~/.dmrc?
[01:51] <Jed> best put sudo before it though
[01:51] <Lunar_Lamp> When I try to install packages, I get an error saying that there is a problem with tftpd-hpa
[01:52] <UberPsyX> ok
[01:52] <kane77> the 2.6.20-14 kernel hangs on "waiting for root filesystem" at startup (or something like that) any ideas why?
[01:54] <Jed> UberPsyX: let me know how it goes
[01:54] <UberPsyX> ok
[01:54] <UberPsyX> brb
[01:56] <alex-weej> wooooaaaaah, kernel update today doesn't boot
[01:56] <Lunar_Lamp> http://www.pastebin.ca/437982 <== can anyone help.
[01:56] <fryfrog> alex-weej: does it dump you into busybox?
[01:56] <alex-weej> what's busybox?
[01:56] <fryfrog> i'm having a problem with the initrd image on my system :/
[01:56] <alex-weej> it just halts, something do to with n_sectors mismatch
[01:56] <fryfrog> nm, totally different
[01:56] <UberPsyX> Jed: i typed it and hit enter and it said there was no module called bcm43xx so i just tried to connect and it worked!!
[01:57] <UberPsyX> blooming temperamental pc
[01:57] <Jed> woo yay lol
[01:57] <UberPsyX> lol
[01:57] <UberPsyX> thanks a lot for your help
[01:57] <Jed> its ok
[01:57] <UberPsyX> btw have you sorted the problem you had when you came
[01:57] <Jed> me?
[01:57] <UberPsyX> yer
[01:58] <Jed> i just had a question, i wanted to know if feisty would update to the final release when it came out?
[01:58] <UberPsyX> ah
[01:58] <UberPsyX> i think it comes up in a bubble as an update and you click it and it will upgrade to the final release
[01:58] <Jed> ok, thanks
[01:58] <UberPsyX> ok
[01:58] <UberPsyX> cya
[01:59] <fryfrog> Does anyone know much about initrd?  My system on a pair of SATA disks using the ata_piix in RAID1 will not boot.  It looks like the initrd image is *not* loading any of the needed drivers
[02:00] <_eMaX_> fryfrog: I had to put some additional modules into my initrd
[02:00] <_eMaX_> for sata
[02:01] <_eMaX_> for me, I put, in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules:
[02:01] <Lunar_Lamp> I can't do any upgrades or install any packages as tehre is a failed package (tftpd-hpa) blocking everything.  How can I fix this?
[02:01] <_eMaX_> vesafb, fbcon, ata_generic, ata_piix, libata, ahci, scsi_mod, sg, sd_mod, ext3, xfs
[02:01] <_eMaX_> the latter one since I'm booting from an xfs partition
[02:02] <fryfrog> _eMaX_: so does it matter if those modules are already *in* the initrd?
[02:02] <fryfrog> or does that file cause them to be used/loaded?
[02:02] <_eMaX_> yes otherwise you won't obviously be able to see your drives
[02:02] <_eMaX_> that file causes them to be there and to be loaded
[02:02] <fryfrog> _eMaX_: the thing is, those modules are *in* my initrd, but they just don't get loaded
[02:02] <_eMaX_> put them in that file
[02:03] <_eMaX_> otherwise, you'll drop to your command line...
[02:03] <fryfrog> oh, humm maybe not
[02:03] <fryfrog> okay i'll try that
[02:06] <fryfrog> do you know where in the initrd i should find proof that this should load those modules?
[02:07] <fryfrog> Adding module /lib/modules/2.6.20-14-generic/kernel/drivers/ata/ata_piix.ko
[02:07] <fryfrog> that was there last time I ran the update-initramfs :(
[02:09] <fryfrog> humm, my initrd is very different now
[02:09] <fryfrog> its got a lot of files i didn't have before
[02:09] <fryfrog> why the frick did my edgey -> feisty go so badly in the initrd department
[02:09] <alex-weej> fryfrog: does -13 boot?
[02:10] <alex-weej> -14 fails for me too with my SATAs
[02:10] <alex-weej> but i have no RAID
[02:11] <fryfrog> oh, nothing booted :/
[02:11] <fryfrog> but it is -14
[02:11] <fryfrog> but i think it was something to do with the update-initramfs
[02:11] <alex-weej> did you try -13?
[02:11] <fryfrog> cause 2.6.11 and .13 didn't boot either
[02:11] <chijin> my sata drives work fine with -14
[02:11] <fryfrog> no, i never had 2.6.20-13
[02:11] <chijin> with no raid
[02:11] <alex-weej> fryfrog: try it
[02:11] <fryfrog> just -14
[02:11] <alex-weej> fryfrog: it's still in main
[02:12] <fryfrog> i can't i'm remote to the box now
[02:12] <alex-weej> fryfrog: it might be the same as mine https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/106190
[02:12] <ubotu> Malone bug 106190 in linux-meta "Feisty's does not boot with Linux 2.6.20-14" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[02:13] <kane77> or mine https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/106190
[02:13] <ubotu> Malone bug 106190 in linux-meta "Feisty's does not boot with Linux 2.6.20-14" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[02:13] <ra21vi> When is Feisty going to be released?
[02:13] <fryfrog> my *other* edgy -> feisty box updated, but "hda" switched to "sda"
[02:13] <alex-weej> kane77: that's my bug report...
[02:13] <fryfrog> and its using 2.5.20-14
[02:14] <alex-weej> fryfrog: your fstab and grub should have been using UUIDs since Edgy
[02:14] <fryfrog> the UUID entries were #commented out for some reason
[02:14] <kane77> alex-weej, eh right.. I copied from the wrong tab :D https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106192
[02:14] <ubotu> Malone bug 106192 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Kernel 2.6.20-14 (amd64 generic) hangs at startup "waiting for root filesystem"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[02:14] <fryfrog> but that was an easy fix
[02:14] <balster_neb> are there any estimates as to when the new kernel will be out?
[02:15] <alex-weej> kane77: same thing exactly, boot without the "quiet" option and see if you get the same n_sectors mismatch thing
[02:15] <kane77> alex-weej, I boot with the verbose is it the same?
[02:16] <ra21vi> what part in kernel which shows graphical boot process,... I did compiled a custom kernel, and the boot msg is gone.. I have to wait, and then I get login GDM .. no console or graphical msg in between
[02:16] <balster_neb> I'm planning a edgy->feisty upgrade, so it's probably necessary for me to wait until this problem is fixed :(
[02:17] <alex-weej> balster_neb: good plan
[02:17] <fryfrog> alex-weej: no, i don't get that i spent last night working on it
[02:17] <alex-weej> fryfrog: ok
[02:17] <wm_eddie> Is anybody else getting a 403 message from us.archive.ubuntu.com? when downloading linux-image-generic?
[02:18] <fryfrog> alex-weej: i get dumped to busy box, where it has failed to load the moduels for my ata_piix / sata_sil and raid1 modules
[02:18] <alex-weej> ic
[02:18] <wm_eddie> the 2.6.20-14.23 one.
[02:18] <fryfrog> so it can't mount the / partition
[02:19] <miranda82> hello
[02:19] <balster_neb> the trouble is that I have been postponing this upgrade for the last 1 week or so :(
[02:19] <fryfrog> _eMaX_: so i've done that, and did a diff -BurN on the two initrd images and the *only* difference is a few entrys in the ./etc/modules file
[02:20] <fryfrog> what i don't get is... what happened?  did the update-initramfs tool go wonky and stop including the required modules to load?
[02:20] <miranda82> does anyone know, if quake3, with wine, is supposed to run ok under this xorg? because i can't get the mouse to work correctly, it only moves like 50 degrees..
[02:21] <fryfrog> looks like a new linux-image-2.6.20-14 was released
[02:22] <wm_eddie> fryfrog: Yeah. But I can't download it for some reason.
[02:22] <fryfrog> ah
[02:22] <miranda82> wm_eddie, me neither...
[02:23] <fryfrog> i got a 403 forbidden :(
[02:23] <arthur> Hi there. Anybody on Feisty using rtl WiFi powered cards?
[02:23] <miranda82> as me
[02:24] <arthur> I gave Feisty a shot last night and works great but there seem to be no rtl modules
[02:24] <arthur> Is it just me?
[02:25] <fryfrog> is there a mirror for http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic_2.6.20-14.23_i386.deb
[02:25] <fryfrog> do you think?
[02:25] <kadakas> after installing todays updates in 7.10 and restarting, the booting progress window just froze
[02:25] <kadakas> ubuntu did not boot
[02:26] <fryfrog> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic_2.6.20-14.23_i386.deb
[02:26] <kadakas> but when i selected the .12 kernel in grub, then ubuntu works fine
[02:26] <fryfrog> seems to work
[02:26] <kane77> kadakas, you mean 7.04?
[02:26] <kadakas> yes
[02:27] <IdleOne> !gutsy
[02:27] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[02:27] <kadakas> i meant 7.04
[02:27] <Hidan> geez update manager keeps hanging
[02:27] <kadakas> im a bit sleepy, so typos occur :p
[02:27] <kane77> kadakas, did you install kernel upgrade? (2.6.20-14)?
[02:27] <kadakas> i guess so
[02:27] <kadakas> i just installed all the updated ubuntu told me to install
[02:28] <kadakas> the update manager did it automatically
[02:28] <Hobbsee> kadakas: newest kernel is busticated
[02:29] <kane77> there is a bug, you can fill in your bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106192
[02:29] <ubotu> Malone bug 106192 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Kernel 2.6.20-14 (amd64 generic) hangs at startup "waiting for root filesystem" (dup-of: 106190)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[02:29] <ubotu> Malone bug 106190 in linux-meta "Feisty's does not boot with Linux 2.6.20-14" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[02:29] <kadakas> busticated ?
[02:29] <RainCT> Hi. I updated yesterday and now (after start it again) I can't see the title's of the windows, and the "show desktop" button isn't working (it says that it isn't supported by the current window manager or there is no one)
[02:30] <RainCT> (also windows don't appear at the bottom panel and they hide the top panel :S)
[02:31] <Hobbsee> kadakas: broken
[02:31] <kadakas> ok
[02:32] <kadakas> so i have to keep selecting the right kernel in grub until bug 106190 is fixed ?
[02:32] <ubotu> Malone bug 106190 in linux-meta "Feisty's does not boot with Linux 2.6.20-14" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106190
[02:33] <kadakas> bug
[02:33] <kadakas> 106190
[02:33] <kane77> kadakas, i guess so...
[02:33] <kadakas> ok
[02:33] <kadakas> i hope they fix it soon
[02:34] <pollyo> Hello
[02:34] <pollyo> Anyone running nvidia legacy with beryl?
[02:34] <Hobbsee> kadakas: they're in the process
[02:35] <kadakas> :)
[02:35] <wm_eddie> So they chmod'd the latest kernel-image so that people wouldn't break their system?
[02:35] <kadakas> i almost reinstalled the whole system
[02:35] <roda> where can i find ubuntu 7.04 rc iso images?
[02:35] <wm_eddie> (for the people who use us.archive.ubuntu.com at least)
[02:35] <kane77> kadakas, it shouldnt take too long as the final version release date is approaching fast..
[02:35] <kadakas> im a bit rusty, just moved from xp
[02:35] <kadakas> its ok then
[02:36] <kadakas> i took that into account when selecting a beta OS
[02:37] <wm_eddie> I hope this new kernel fixes my sleeping/hibernation problems. (They are IDE related)
[02:39] <balster_neb> roda, the RC isn't out yet
[02:39] <balster_neb> it's been delayed to fix a bunch of problems
[02:39] <zeroflag> that's it.
[02:39] <wm_eddie> Yay, there's a new network manager too.
[02:39] <zeroflag> 4 days work for nothing...
[02:40] <roda> balster_neb, thanks, is there a list of these problems somewhere on the launchpad.. I'm kind of new with ubuntu development process
[02:40] <zeroflag> took me 4 days to set up ubuntu with all drivers and everything, now it dies because I let the updater update my system.
[02:40] <zeroflag> completely dead.
[02:40] <zeroflag> can't even boot it via alternate cd rescue.
[02:41] <balster_neb> roda, you could check the mailing list archives for announcments: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/thread.html
[02:41] <wm_eddie> zeroflag: Woah 4 days?  I haven't had that much trouble installing linux drivers since 1999.
[02:41] <wm_eddie> Oh wait 2002, gentoo.
[02:42] <zeroflag> wm_eddie: dmraid with every bug possible, nvidia graphics with every bug possible and nvidia onboard sound with every single annoyance of the setup...
[02:43] <zeroflag> plus grub/beryl/X/update screwing up m y whole system about 3 times...
[02:43] <Hobbsee> zeroflag: new kernel is coming.  use a chroot to update
[02:43] <zeroflag> Hobbsee: the rescue CD couldn't mount my root.
[02:43] <roda> zeroflag, what happened? where is it hanging?
[02:43] <pollyo> zeroflag: What do you mean by dead?
[02:43] <pollyo> zeroflag: Do you get any startup messages?
[02:43] <zeroflag> well, I can't boot ubuntu. it hangs after complaining that the root device isn't ready.
[02:44] <zeroflag> same with rescue boot.
[02:44] <wm_eddie> That really sucks.  I remember having problems with onboard nvidia stuff too (on another computer) I hope whoever's decicion it was to keep the drivers closed dies a slow and painful death.
[02:44] <fryfrog> do you end up in busybox?
[02:44] <zeroflag> and the rescue from alternate cd also can't mount my root device.
[02:44] <roda> shit, i did an upgrade to latest feisty and it kill my network
[02:44] <roda> had to do a /etc/init.d/networking restart
[02:44] <fryfrog> since i'm really a gentoo bitch, i just used a gentoo install cd to get my environment to chroot into
[02:44] <zeroflag> I'm currently trying the live cd.
[02:44] <zeroflag> maybe I can find my system with dmraid.
[02:45] <fryfrog> zeroflag: you may simply need to load the right drivers to be able to find it, is your / a RAID1?
[02:45] <zeroflag> fryfrog: fakeraid0
[02:45] <fryfrog> wtf is fakeraid0?
[02:45] <zeroflag> nforce raid.
[02:46] <fryfrog> oh, is that linux drivers for the onboard... ah, that
[02:46] <zeroflag> not really a raid but an aided software raid.
[02:46] <fryfrog> yeah, gotcha
[02:46] <lester_> hey. I run feisty and recently during an upgrade my nvidia driver failed. I tried reverting back to the old one, tried nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk repo for an upgrade and tried download.nvidia.com manual install, all failing with "FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia". Looks like some module script is broken, but I have no idea where/what.  And I also believe I've figured out the source of the problem.
[02:47] <Hidan> johnnybuoy: However, please don't laugh... :p
[02:47] <toodles> Hi everyone, I was wondering why the links on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/RC point to the beta release instead of the RC. Possible I've got it all wrong though...
[02:48] <toodles> :-)
[02:48] <Hidan> toodles: RC isn't released yet
[02:48] <johnnybuoy> Hidan, I won't, plz tell :)
[02:48] <mniewiera> hi all
[02:48] <toodles> Hidan, Ah, my mistake! Thanks
[02:49] <Hidan> johnnybuoy: Okay you see, my PSU also supports fanless mode. I realised there was something very suspicious when the "Fan" led was not lighted.
[02:49] <Hidan> johnnybuoy: and it seems that I forgot to turn on the fan for my psu :p
[02:49] <johnnybuoy> woohoo
[02:49] <johnnybuoy> ah, thet's fun
[02:49] <johnnybuoy> a bit of overheating, I suppose...
[02:49] <Hidan> johnnybuoy: yeah very likely. :p
[02:49] <zeroflag> last try...
[02:49] <zeroflag> if this fails again, I'll install windows.
[02:50] <johnnybuoy> Hidan, SURELY
[02:50] <johnnybuoy> Hidan, great,
[02:50] <johnnybuoy> Hidan, usually, random lockups are hardware caused..
[02:51] <mniewiera> im using feisty and since the updates today my system doesnt find my sata hard drive... has someone an idea ?
[02:51] <fryfrog> mniewiera: seems to be a common issue :(
[02:51] <mniewiera> i found 2 other users which are also using feisty und have the same problem...
[02:51] <Hobbsee> mniewiera: it's broken.  wait.
[02:51] <zeroflag> not....
[02:51] <zeroflag> finding...
[02:51] <zeroflag> sata...
[02:51] <Hobbsee> fix is on it's way, being tested
[02:52] <fryfrog> if you can chroot into your environment, you might be able to aptitude update / aptitude dist-upgrade and get a new kernel that keeps coming out
[02:52] <zeroflag> now, I wonder why my system isn't booting up...
[02:52] <Hohlraum> haven't checked to see if they replaced that kernel that was uploaded last night.  system wont even boot
[02:52] <Hohlraum> anyone know?
[02:52] <johnnybuoy> ah?
[02:52] <johnnybuoy> so I shouldn't update yet?
[02:52] <mniewiera> ok thank you... how long will it take for the fix, are it hours or days ?
[02:52] <fryfrog> also, maybe adding entries for your system /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and running update-initramfs
[02:52] <Hobbsee> johnnybuoy: correct
[02:53] <Hobbsee> mniewiera: hours.  we've got a RC to release!
[02:53] <mniewiera> ok thank you
[02:53] <mniewiera> bye
[02:53] <fryfrog> out of curiosity, does anyone know what the actual problem is?
[02:53] <zeroflag> Hobbsee: if there wasn't this "beta" thing on feisty I'd consider such an update a major screwup...
[02:53] <eMaX_> is iptables not working by any chance since the last update?
[02:53] <Hohlraum> with my system I get ATA errors with the new kernel.
[02:53] <fryfrog> i've seen the symptoms and dug around, and it seems to *me* something is not working right in the initrd image
[02:53] <benoitc> hi
[02:53] <IdleOne> someone take a look at this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15369/ and tell me how to fix this error when trying to upgrade kernel?
[02:53] <Hidan> johnnybuoy: yep, back. i went to get dinner.
[02:54] <Hobbsee> zeroflag: it's a development release.  deal.
[02:54] <benoitc> i have a problem today with last update on feisty beta . all the machine is slow. I think it's rrelated to mdadm. and the fact that the disk now use pata_amd
[02:54] <fryfrog> either it isn't generated with the required modules or something
[02:54] <Hobbsee> benoitc: known, wait, and update
[02:54] <Hidan> johnnybuoy: well, i was feeling slightly embarrassed but at least, no hardware damage. =)
[02:54] <eMaX_> apparently I cannot get NAT to work even though I didn't change anything with my client systems or the iptables config
[02:54] <zeroflag> Hobbsee, release, not "a developers working folder for testing"...
[02:55] <benoitc> Hobbsee: in the mean time what could I do without waiting. Ids the solution published somewhere ?
[02:55] <Hobbsee> benoitc: it's being accepted right now.  just wait.
[02:55] <ixiion> when will RC1 get released ?
[02:55] <benoitc> mmm ok
[02:55] <Hidan> johnnybuoy: At least my PSU was good enough to work without the fan... most generic or even low budget PSUs would likely fry.
[02:55] <benoitc> thanks
[02:55] <Hobbsee> ixiion: seven hours after the last person asked.
[02:55] <johnnybuoy> Hidan, yeah, luck on that on :)
[02:55] <Hobbsee> benoitc: :)
[02:55] <johnnybuoy> Hidan, yep, true
[02:55] <Hobbsee> zeroflag: i doubt they'd deliberately kill it this late, do you?
[02:56] <Hohlraum> so who screwed up on that kernel? bet they got some serious shit hehe.
[02:56] <wm_eddie> It's all that new IDE crazyness.
[02:56] <Hobbsee> at this point, the devs are concentrating on getting things released
[02:56] <Hidan> jonnybuoy: yeah :) but then again SevenTeam manufactures PSUs for industrial use, so if their PSUs were cruddy, they'd have been hit with some lawsuits.
[02:56] <zeroflag> Hobbsee: I hope not. I'm just REALLY annoyed by this because my WHOLE system is completely DEAD!
[02:57] <Hobbsee> the only reason i'm here is because i'm taking a break from teh unmet deps
[02:57] <zeroflag> there are ctrl+alt+f1/2/3 shells in live cd, right?
[02:57] <Hidan> unmet deps? what's that?
[02:57] <Hobbsee> zeroflag: i see that.  production systems + development release == ?
[02:57] <lester_> hey. I run feisty and recently during an upgrade my nvidia driver failed. I tried reverting back to the old one, tried nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk repo for an upgrade and tried download.nvidia.com manual install, all failing with "FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia". Looks like some module script is broken, but I have no idea where/what. Anyone?
[02:57] <wm_eddie> Today is Friday the 13th.  Remember never to upgrade your computer on Friday the 13th every again.
[02:57] <Hobbsee> Hidan: unmet dependancies
[02:57] <Hohlraum> zeroflag: its for testing.. not for use as a primary desktop/server.  sides,
[02:57] <Hobbsee> wm_eddie: heh
[02:57] <Hohlraum> i was able to boot just fine in the previous kernel.  well cept the video no longer works :)
[02:58] <zeroflag> Hohlraum: well, if the "stable" would work with my hardware, I'd use it...
[02:58] <wm_eddie> zeroflag: You just kind of picked a bad day.
[02:58] <zeroflag> wm_eddie: no, the day is picking on me.
[02:58] <wm_eddie> That too.
[02:59] <zeroflag> arasdvhcvhasdf
[02:59] <Hidan> hobbsee: i see. :)
[02:59] <fryfrog> zeroflag: were you able to chroot into your broken system?
[02:59] <wm_eddie> Make sure to send an angry e-mail to nvidia too.
[02:59] <Hohlraum> anyone know what the deal is with reverting to the older nvidia driver?
[02:59] <Hobbsee> why do they always release on a thursday?
[03:00] <Hohlraum> Hobbsee: to avoid any friday the 13th's ;)
[03:00] <fryfrog> so they can go home on friday and ignore it for the weekend A:)
[03:00] <zeroflag> I wanted to write a draft to suggest my diploma thesis topic. instead I'm working on my system which died for the 5th time in 4 days for unknown reasons...
[03:00] <zeroflag> fryfrog: still working on it because livecd just died - again!
[03:00] <Hobbsee> fryfrog: could well be
[03:00] <fryfrog> zeroflag: how does a livecd die?
[03:00] <zeroflag> ctrl+alt+f1
[03:00] <johnnybuoy> zeroflag, what do you mean "died"
[03:00] <zeroflag> -> monitor freezes.
[03:00] <johnnybuoy> ??
[03:00] <fryfrog> zeroflag: if you don't suck at command line, the gentoo "livecd" is only 125mb and makes a *great* working environment
[03:00] <zeroflag> -> nothing works.
[03:01] <fryfrog> that is what i'm using to chroot into my system
[03:01] <Hohlraum> zeroflag: btw what hardware you running?
[03:01] <zeroflag> fryfrog: I'm just not too sure if I can get dmraid working with gentoo...
[03:01] <benoitc> zeroflag: why not working on livecd waiting pb is fixxed ?
[03:02] <zeroflag> Hohlraum: 3600+X2, nforce570SLI (ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe), 2x1GB Corsair something, 8800GTS, Soundblaster X-Fi (which obviously doesn't work! 300euro for using onboard sound!)
[03:02] <roda> zeroflag, don't you have a grub option for booting from an older kernel?
[03:02] <fryfrog> zeroflag: for me, the raid modules were all loaded up.  but i've never used fakeraid
[03:02] <zeroflag> roda: as dead as my main boot.
[03:03] <fryfrog> it uses 2.6.17 kernel, is that good enough?
[03:03] <zeroflag> roda: dies half way through boot when it tries to mount the root device.
[03:03] <Hohlraum> zeroflag: you're using driver raid?  dude never use that the whole concept is shit.
[03:03] <benoitc> mmm 2.6.17 boor don't seems to work here
[03:03] <zeroflag> roda: funny thing is, it IS able to mount my fakeraid for loading grub (which is on my root device) but as soon as the kernel boots it can't find it anymore...
[03:04] <zeroflag> Hohlraum: tell that microsoft and the raid-card-manufacturers. I won't go without raid but I won't pay 300euro for a raid-chip either...
[03:04] <Hohlraum> zeroflag: if you wanna do raid just do linux software raid it will perform very nicely for you.
[03:04] <fryfrog> zeroflag: i think it is because the initrd isn't loading the drivers
[03:04] <zeroflag> Hohlraum: can't dualboot that with windows.
[03:04] <Hohlraum> zeroflag: windows has a software raid solution too ...
[03:04] <roda> zeroflag, i'm not sure, then it's probably some post initrd software bug.. if it worked before on that old kernels that are available on your grub menu
[03:04] <fryfrog> zeroflag: raid0 on your *system* is frankly retarded
[03:04] <zeroflag> fryfrog: probably. but why can't the alternate cd mount the system?
[03:05] <zeroflag> Hohlraum: which gets along with linux's? sure.
[03:05] <Hohlraum> zeroflag: and I'm pretty sure that linux understands windows software raid now days.
[03:05] <fryfrog> zeroflag: frak if i know, but gentoo mounted up mine just fine.   but i'm not using that fakeraid crap
[03:05] <bullgard4> What is the function of the file ~/.dmrc?
[03:05] <zeroflag> fingers crossed, mount my root.
[03:06] <BluesKaj> 'howdy all :)
[03:06] <fryfrog> damn, if only i were at home i could test if i've fixed my shit!
[03:06] <zeroflag> worked!
[03:06] <zeroflag> now, where's the update? >_<
[03:06] <Hobbsee> zeroflag: building.
[03:07] <Hidan> flyfrog: why dont' you go to a netcafe or something? unless your work is on your computer?
[03:07] <zeroflag> :/
[03:07] <zeroflag> Hobbsee: it's the kernel, right?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> zeroflag: yes
[03:07] <Hobbsee> and then l-r-m
[03:07] <zeroflag> Hobbsee: nothing I can do to temporarely fix it?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> (then d-i)
[03:07] <Hobbsee> zeroflag: no.  just wait.
[03:07] <zeroflag> =[
[03:07] <fryfrog> Hidan: It is my home server that is busted, I am at work and think i have the problem resolved
[03:07] <fryfrog> but i can't eject the cd remotly :)
[03:07] <Hobbsee> unless you want to grab the source, build it yourself
[03:08] <zeroflag> goodbye time for my diploma thesis...
[03:08] <Hidan> flyfrog: ahhh ROFL eject the cd remotely lol...
[03:08] <Hidan> flyfrog: that sounds like some Evil Scientist's dream. :P
[03:08] <BluesKaj> daily update here seems fine so far ...kernel update as well , more to added to the bootmenu
[03:08] <zeroflag> too bad a asynchronous realtime simulation engine concept doesn't document itself...
[03:08] <lester_> is there anyone available to help with a problem/possible bug report?
[03:08] <Hohlraum> zeroflag: dude if raid is that important to you buy a REAL raid card.  not that driver raid crap.  you're always going to have these problems with that crap.
[03:09] <Hidan> flyfrog: With this new device, I will be able to eject the Pentagon , into outerspace!!!!!
[03:09] <zeroflag> Hohlraum: *sigh* I know. as soon as I'm done with university and get some money, trust me, I will...
[03:09] <fryfrog> Hidan: its "fryfrog" :p
[03:09] <ScarFreewill> wtf ""
[03:09] <ScarFreewill> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/main linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic 2.6.20-14.23
[03:09] <BluesKaj> raid cards work
[03:09] <ScarFreewill>   403 Forbidden [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[03:09] <ScarFreewill> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic_2.6.20-14.23_i386.deb  403 Forbidden [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[03:09] <Hobbsee> ScarFreewill: deliberate
[03:09] <Hidan> fryfrog: ahh, thank you for the correction ^__^
[03:09] <fryfrog> ScarFreewill: throw in a "ca." and it'll get it, but i think that might have been done on purpose
[03:09] <zeroflag> ScarFreewill: you lucky bastard!
[03:10] <Hobbsee> that kernel's broken, that's why it's 403'd.
[03:10] <fryfrog> Hidan: it makes me have to read, instead of highlighting your msg for me :)
[03:10] <Hobbsee> that's the old kernel
[03:10] <AdministratorX> Where can I download linux-image-2.6.20-14-386_2.6.20-14.23_i386.deb
[03:10] <Hidan> fryfrog: heh yeah :P
[03:10] <zeroflag> in theory, when I build a custom kernel it should be fine, or not?...
[03:11] <BluesKaj> adept updates  AdministratorX
[03:11] <Hidan> fryfrog: anyways back to my dinner..
[03:11] <ScarFreewill> zeroflag: why am i lucky?
[03:11] <zeroflag> ScarFreewill: my system is dead because I have that kernel...
[03:11] <fryfrog> Hobbsee: is it a problem in the kernel?  Or maybe my problem is not actually what is going on now.  Cause mine, all the right modules are there (and I can load them), they just don't load when I try and boot
[03:11] <ScarFreewill> zeroflag: lol
[03:11] <ScarFreewill> :P
[03:11] <Hobbsee> fryfrog: i think it's a kernel problem
[03:11] <AdministratorX> So I should google adept updates?
[03:12] <ScarFreewill> i've got kernel 14 though
[03:12] <mixandgo> does gaphor work for anyone ? I get a segfault
[03:12] <ScarFreewill> i'm just not runing it
[03:12] <Hidan> yummy, fried rice!!! :D
[03:12] <ScarFreewill> when i installed 14 it broke 13 too but 10 is working for me
[03:13] <mixandgo> ** (gaphor:5933): WARNING **: couldn't make the type `CanvasGroup' ready
[03:13] <mixandgo> TypeError: Cannot create a consistent method resolution order (MRO) for bases GObject, CanvasGroupableIface, CanvasGroupable Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[03:13] <fryfrog> Hobbsee: ah, I wonder what that problem is.  Makes me curious
[03:13] <zeroflag> arghs.
[03:13] <zeroflag> they even removed the linux headers.
[03:13] <BluesKaj> AdministratorX: look in the menu/system/adept
[03:14] <fryfrog> the thing i don't get though is that it broke *all* my other initrd images :(
[03:16] <AdministratorX> I don't use KDE, so adept is not there under gnome
[03:16] <zeroflag> what's the command to install a .deb package?
[03:16] <zeroflag> I think I found my old kernel...
[03:16] <toodles> zeroflag, sudo dpkg -i mypackage.deb
[03:16] <zeroflag> toodles: right, thanks.
[03:17] <toodles> zeroflag, :-)
[03:17] <Hidan> btw does Desktop Effects work well? and i wonder if compiz and beryl will work too.
[03:17] <Hobbsee> awwww, no gutsy yet...
[03:17] <mon^rch> Hidan: effects are super-duper :)
[03:17] <zeroflag> Hidan: beryl worked for me... about 10 minutes.
[03:17] <toodles> Hidan, I thought desktop-effects = compiz  . . . ?
[03:18] <zeroflag> after that it either gave me black windows or killed everything when I started gdm...
[03:18] <wm_eddie> Hidan: Get gnome-compiz-preferences too
[03:19] <Hidan> mon^rch: zeroflag: toodles: oh i didn't know... any of that lol. ya see, given that many people were having problems, so i decided not to touch it and work on fixing my issues first.
[03:19] <zeroflag> figners crossed again, reboot into my system...
[03:19] <Hidan> wm_eddie: okay thank you. ^^
[03:20] <Hidan> gnome-compiz-preferences hmmm i don't see that anywhere in Synaptic
[03:20] <Hidan> wm_eddie: oh wait it's now under gnome-compiz-manager
[03:20] <zeroflag> =[
[03:21] <zeroflag> seems I'm still too stupid for installing my kernels...
[03:21] <Hobbsee> wm_eddie: after feisty
[03:21] <wm_eddie> what why?  It's like a one-line fix.
[03:22] <Hidan> okay going to enable desktop effects now
[03:22] <ScarFreewill> zeroflag can't you boot into kernel 10 or a older one?
[03:22] <Hobbsee> wm_eddie: it's not release-critical
[03:23] <lester_> another problem then: I debootstrapped feisty due to lack of installation cd, and the root account was enabled by default. I disabled it and put my user in the admin group and added myself as a sudoer. now, everything works fine except for gksudo and sudo not asking for my password, I sudo in without password check. Anyone know how to fix that?
[03:23] <Hobbsee> wm_eddie: and "one line fixes" can break other things
[03:23] <Hidan> wow desktop effects ARE cool!
[03:24] <timothy_> I assume the problem with today's update is known?
[03:24] <wm_eddie> I would say it's release critical because it makes Ubuntu look stupid.
[03:24] <Hidan> even better, it doesn't look like it's chewing up much of my cpu :P
[03:24] <timothy_> kernel <IP_ADDRESS> won't boot and nvidia drivers in 2.6.13 are messed up after update
[03:25] <wm_eddie> "Hey look I can have my workspaces on a cube, doh no I can't"
[03:25] <Hobbsee> wm_eddie: bug #?
[03:26] <ScarFreewill> universe is 3.5 mb it takes so long to download the list on my slow internet :P
[03:26] <lester_> timothy_: didn't know that. it should be listed somewhere.. I've had huge headaches :P
[03:26] <Hidan> wm_eddie: haven't tried the cube effect yet. :P
[03:26] <Hobbsee> oh, it's main.  i cant upload that.
[03:26] <mon^rch> wm_eddie: nods
[03:26] <timothy_> lester_, there seem to be many users today who had the problem
[03:26] <Hobbsee> wm_eddie: icons are not release critical.
[03:26] <wm_eddie> icons?
[03:26] <timothy_> when the update completes, <IP_ADDRESS> boots and then you end up in a black terminal, without anything :d
[03:26] <Hobbsee> wm_eddie: capplet, sorry
[03:26] <kane77> timothy_, that is known bug, see bug 106190
[03:26] <ubotu> Malone bug 106190 in linux-meta "Feisty's does not boot with Linux 2.6.20-14" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/106190
[03:27] <timothy_> it simply can't boot the kernel :d
[03:27] <Hobbsee> hang on.  /me wonders what a capplet is
[03:27] <timothy_> ok hang on
[03:27] <Hobbsee> timothy_: wait, update again
[03:27] <eMaX_> anyone here knows about problems with nat/iptables recently?
[03:27] <timothy_> Hobbsee, I know :d I don't mind afterall it's beta :d
[03:27] <timothy_> just needed to know if I had to post :d
[03:27] <ScarFreewill> timothy_: same here
[03:27] <Hidan> wow that's a really awful problem, people... to be kicked into a black screen. I applied the updates today but didn't have any problems.
[03:27] <Hobbsee> timothy_: no.  known broken, fix is building
[03:27] <Hobbsee> Hidan: it's development....
[03:28] <timothy_> sweet :)
[03:28] <timothy_> that's why I love linux
[03:28] <kane77> timothy_, i have that too...
[03:28] <ScarFreewill> Hobbsee: where can we see the bug if we can?
[03:28] <lupine_85> this is why I laugh when I see people recommending feisty to teh n00bs, hehe
[03:28] <timothy_> if it was a microsoft prob it would have cost me a 90 phone call and all I'd get is "we'll fix it in the next few months :p
[03:28] <pschulz01_> Hello.. I'm having a problem accessing the package pool on archive.ubuntu.com
[03:28] <Hobbsee> lupine_85: yeah, well.  they just need a whack with the cluebat
[03:28] <pschulz01_> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic_2.6.20-14.23_amd64.deb
[03:28] <wm_eddie> Man this whole release critical thing is stupid.
[03:28] <ScarFreewill> lupine_85: lol
[03:28] <Hobbsee> pschulz01_: known.  dead.  deliberate
[03:28] <kane77> timothy_, you can run 13 kernel... (you'd need to reconfigure xorg.conf to use nv instead of nvidia...
[03:28] <pschulz01_> Oh..
[03:28] <pschulz01_> Ta..
[03:28] <timothy_> kane77, yep that's what I'm running now :d
[03:29] <timothy_> :)
[03:29] <timothy_> once feisty is final
[03:29] <lupine_85> Hobbsee: that's half of #ubuntu-effects and the other half of #beryl, then. Should I line them up for you? ;)
[03:29] <timothy_> we'll have all the windows desktops transfered to ubuntu
[03:29] <kelsa|martalli> Say - update manager is giving me this error:
[03:29] <kelsa|martalli> W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/linux-image-2.6.20-14-386_2.6.20-14.23_i386.deb
[03:29] <kelsa|martalli>   403 Forbidden [IP: <IP_ADDRESS> 80]
[03:29] <timothy_> our test users seem very pleased :)
[03:29] <Hidan> hobbsee: yeah it might be Development. However, I'm very happy that the Development is active. :p
[03:29] <ScarFreewill> maybe someone needs to set the topic of the channel...
[03:29] <Hobbsee> Hidan: :)
[03:30] <Hobbsee> lupine_85: haha
[03:30] <Hidan> hobbsee: At least, you don't get problems like "oh we'll give you a fix in a few months or even years" :P
[03:30] <Hobbsee> ScarFreewill: i'm tempted.  but this will go away RSN
[03:30] <ScarFreewill> there's gona be alot of ppl asking the same question
[03:30] <Hobbsee> in the next hour or so
[03:30] <ScarFreewill> ok
[03:30] <kelsa|martalli> ScarFreewill:  Am I not the only one?
[03:30] <lester_> kelsa|martalli, it's broken, probably on hold. a fix is on the way
[03:30] <ScarFreewill> kelsa|martalli: no
[03:31] <PyroMessiah> how can I format a usb drive in feisty?
[03:31] <mon^rch> should I be ignoring updates for now or something?
[03:31] <kelsa|martalli> lester_:  , ScarFreewill No problem, I can wait
[03:31] <Hobbsee> ScarFreewill: should be a listing of RC bugs, on launchpad.  https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-7.04 looks promising
[03:31] <kelsa|martalli> My comp rebooted no problem, so I am pretty sure that my kernel isn;t toasted
[03:32] <johnnybuoy> so, what about this sata problem?
[03:32] <mon^rch> wtf? my keyboard doesn't have a "pipe" key :/
[03:33] <fryfrog> it is the CAPS of \
[03:33] <fryfrog> usually near or above ENTER
[03:33] <mon^rch> DOH
[03:33] <mon^rch> looks like 2 dashes/
[03:33] <mon^rch> ...
[03:34] <kelsa|martalli> one wonders why that character is termed "pipe"...I have wondered that since I was first told to tuse it back in oh 1989
[03:34] <Hidan> ROFLMAO pipe?! That's the first time i've heard of that. :p
[03:35] <_Neil> isnt it because it can pipe data from one thing to another?
[03:35] <_Neil> ie ls -la | grep 'something'
[03:35] <lester_> kelsa|martalli, it's probably called a pipe charachter by it's traditional use - piping commands in a shell..
[03:35] <_Neil> passes output of ls through a pipe to grep
[03:35] <Hidan> _neil: really? i didn't know that.
[03:36] <lester_> probably has a proper "official" name
[03:36] <mon^rch> anyway, thanks, fryfrog
[03:37] <Hobbsee> ScarFreewill: found the bug #'s
[03:37] <kelsa|martalli> possibly offtopic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipe_character
[03:37] <_Neil> hey guys, if i swap virtual terminals using ctl alt fx, then come back to x, it hangs on a black screen
[03:37] <_Neil> same as it does if I resume from standby
[03:37] <_Neil> any ideas?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> !breakage is <reply> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063
[03:37] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Hobbsee
[03:37] <ubotu> Malone bug 106063 in linux-source-2.6.20 "MASTER: Computer will not boot after 2.6.20-14.24 kernel upgrade" [Critical,Fix committed]
[03:37] <xipietotec> does anyone know of a repo for thunderbird 2.0 for feisty?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> xipietotec: doesnt exist
[03:38] <Hobbsee> xipietotec: it's only at a RC.  use the mozilla binaries
[03:38] <xipietotec> is it going to break things if I've allready installed 1.5?
[03:38] <Hobbsee> !no breakage is <reply> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published Real Soon Now
[03:38] <ubotu> I'll remember that Hobbsee
[03:38] <ubotu> Malone bug 106063 in linux-source-2.6.20 "MASTER: Computer will not boot after 2.6.20-14.24 kernel upgrade" [Critical,Fix committed]
[03:38] <Hobbsee> xipietotec: see w.u.c/ThunderbirdNewVersion
[03:39] <xipietotec> w.u.c?
[03:39] <Hobbsee> wiki.u.c
[03:40] <kane77> its friday 13th.. what would you expect... kernel troubles...
[03:40] <Hidan> lol friday the 13th :P
[03:40] <fryfrog> damn, Mark Shuttleworth is a lucky guy!
[03:40] <xipietotec> mon^rch: use my gmail as an archive, and have recent messages stored on my local machine for offline use =)
[03:41] <Hidan> lucky guy? why?
[03:41] <jonah> hi guys, having serious problems installing wine, it installs fine from .deb and then i run winecfg and get this error: exec: 29: /usr/bin/wine: not found
[03:41] <fryfrog> he got to goto the ISS!
[03:41] <kane77> before bill :)
[03:41] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/
[03:41] <Hobbsee> to all the people looking at breakage ^
[03:41] <Hidan> fryfrog: yes. must've cost a fortune, though.
[03:42] <mon^rch> xipietotec: yep, that's a good idea ;)
[03:42] <mon^rch> gmail is nice
[03:42] <fryfrog> $20M for ~10 days in space, i'd do it :)
[03:42] <valehru> hmm I upgraded to the new kernel, then all of a sudden it seems to restart on its own when I turn it on..can't even get to a shell...wtf.
[03:42] <kelsa|martalli> i wouldn't - I would do it for maybe 1-2k
[03:42] <kane77> if i had $20M i'd do it too :)
[03:43] <kelsa|martalli> valehru:  Can you boot into 2.6.20-13?
[03:43] <hylje> hmm
[03:43] <kane77> !breakage |valeru
[03:43] <kelsa|martalli> !breakage
[03:43] <ubotu> valeru: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published Real Soon Now
[03:43] <valehru> kelsa|martalli, trying it now.
[03:43] <mon^rch> dind-ding... software updates available... I guess I should ignore that, eh?
[03:43] <xipietotec> pfft.... that's too much work Hobbsee =P I'll just wait until it gets release official and backported.
[03:43] <kelsa|martalli> mon^rch:  The kernel packages won't download
[03:43] <kane77> mon^rch, maybe the kernel upgrade (for now...)
[03:43] <valehru> kelsa|martalli, Well X seems to be broken......wtf.
[03:44] <Hobbsee> xipietotec: dunno if it will.  wont be in -updates, taht's for sure
[03:44] <kane77> valehru, you have to reconfigure xorg.conf to use nv instead of nvidia driver...
[03:44] <xipietotec> Hobbsee: well, even if it isn't, once there's an official thunderbird 2.0 out, someone will make a 3rd party repo allmost certainly
[03:44] <kelsa|martalli> 2.6.20-14 update was broken...if you can at least get into the shell, you can do the update when it is ready
[03:44] <Hobbsee> xipietotec: likely
[03:45] <mon^rch> should I ignore the "headers" too?
[03:45] <valehru> kelsa|martalli, by real soon it means in the next few mins or hours?
[03:45] <kelsa|martalli> At least this happened during beta, and not a month into LTS, but it seems like a pretty big error.  Does it not happen on some machines, only a lot Hobbse?
[03:45] <kelsa|martalli> valehru:  Im not canonical.  Maybe Hobbsee is
[03:45] <xipietotec> oh great.....it's broken for everyone? I can't restart my computer until the new kernel is released/patched, lol
[03:46] <Hidan> oh my gods I love love love love love love Compiz!!!!
[03:46] <Hidan> and Ubuntu, too!
[03:46] <Hobbsee> valehru: next copule of hours
[03:46] <mon^rch> Hidan: :D
[03:46] <kelsa|martalli> Thanks Hobbsee
[03:46] <valehru> Hobbsee, thx
[03:46] <Hobbsee> xipietotec: you may not be effected, you know
[03:46] <mon^rch> Hidan: it's a beautiful thing
[03:46] <xipietotec> Hobbsee: .....this is me we're talking about, of *course* I'll end up effected. =P
[03:46] <kelsa|martalli> xipietotec:  Yeah, I upgraded all the way but the new kernel wouldn't come down
[03:46] <kelsa|martalli> I rebooted
[03:46] <kelsa|martalli> just fine
[03:47] <Hidan> mon^rch : yeah it is... :p
[03:47] <valehru> Hobbsee, my server is, was the first time I updated and restarted in three weeks...and now this happens...gah
[03:47] <kelsa|martalli> xipietotec:  my uname -a = Linux pundit 2.6.20-14-386 #2 Mon Apr 2 20:34:35 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:47] <Hobbsee> valehru: your server is running feisty?
[03:47] <Hobbsee> xipietotec: *grin*
[03:48] <valehru> Hobbsee, @home server....
[03:48] <kane77> Hobbsee, let us know when the update's ready...
[03:48] <kelsa|martalli> Well, hmm Hobbsee how can I tell if I have the right/wrong 20-14?
[03:48] <valehru> Hobbsee, not a productionvmachine.
[03:48] <wm_eddie> Ahh I see the root of the problem in desktop-effects.
[03:48] <Hobbsee> kelsa|martalli: you dont have the right one
[03:48] <valehru> hmm...I switched back to nv and 2.6.20-14 and now im just getting a blank screen
[03:48] <Hobbsee> valehru: great :)
[03:48] <|NewUser|> getting problem with upgrading http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/15383/
[03:48] <valehru> le sigh
[03:48] <Hobbsee> kane77: you'll know, you'll see it
[03:49] <Hobbsee> kane77: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/2.6.20-15.24  - top left corner, about the builds
[03:49] <kelsa|martalli> lol - mine is working well...what would it be if it was broken (ie don't reboot =)
[03:49] <mon^rch> lol valehru
[03:49] <kelsa|martalli> Hobbsee:  oic nvmd
[03:49] <mon^rch> ok, that's it... I'm not updating anything
[03:50] <kelsa|martalli> |NewUser|:  loveguru@freakydesktop?
[03:50] <wm_eddie> When it starts it reads that you have only one desktop if you have cube working.  And then it sets the cube to have only one desktop.
[03:50] <wm_eddie> They tried to be smart.
[03:50] <|NewUser|> kelsa|martalli:  yes? thats my prompt.
[03:51] <kelsa|martalli> |NewUser|:  I like your sense of humor
[03:52] <|NewUser|> kelsa|martalli: ty :p but well i m using sudo with updating so its happened anything wrong?
[03:52] <wm_eddie> I bet if you move the g_signal_connects after the settings are read the problem will dissapear.
[03:53] <wm_eddie> The fix is even easier than I thought.
[03:54] <mon^rch> am I amopngst programmers? (now I feel un-intelligent)
[03:54] <mon^rch> specially with my spelling
[03:55] <johnnybuoy> heh
[03:55] <Hobbsee> spelling's overrated
[03:56] <mon^rch> so what's up with the network-manager?
[03:57] <wm_eddie> Lots of dev libraries for such a small program.
[03:57] <Hidan> hmmm
[03:57] <mon^rch> (sniffffff) I smell breakfast :p
[03:59] <mon^rch> I sure hope that this compiz-beryl merging thing doesn't mean compiz graphics are as choopy and un-smooth like beryl :/
[04:00] <mon^rch> wonder what it'll be called....
[04:01] <mon^rch> now thers an idea...
[04:01] <balster_neb> there's a couple of new files added to http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.20/
[04:01] <balster_neb> does that mean the fixed kernel is ready?
[04:02] <balster_neb> or is in the process of getting ready?
[04:02] <clever> im getting a 403 error when trying to upgrade the kernel image
[04:02] <|NewUser|> clever: same problem with me trying to update kernel image.. but 403 Error found.
[04:02] <kelsa|martalli> clever:  |NewUser|:  The new kernel is broken and they have locked us out fro upgrading (
[04:02] <kelsa|martalli> !breakage
[04:02] <|NewUser|> no File or page there.
[04:02] <ubotu> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published Real Soon Now
[04:02] <clever> ahh lol
[04:03] <|NewUser|> umm
[04:03] <clever> i also have a diff problem
[04:03] <|NewUser|> kelsa|martalli:  okie ty..
[04:03] <clever> atleast 15 kernel oops's
[04:03] <clever> within 1 hour
[04:04] <clever> [117532.604000]   <1>BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000000
[04:06] <wm_eddie> Anyone here know the procedure to build a deb from a src.deb?
[04:07] <jmichaelx> after the most recent updates, i can no longer boot into 2.6.20-14. anyone else having this problem? i using feisty with 2.6.17 at the moment
[04:07] <Hobbsee> wm_eddie: dpkg-buildpackage foo.dsc?
[04:07] <Hobbsee> debuild?
[04:08] <Hobbsee> !breakage
[04:08] <ubotu> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published Real Soon Now
[04:08] <Hobbsee> !breakage | jmichaelx
[04:08] <ubotu> jmichaelx: please see above
[04:08] <jmichaelx> Hobbsee: ty
[04:08] <jmichaelx> i am sorry if 60 other people have asked the same question lol
[04:08] <Hobbsee> jmichaelx: that's why i made the factoid :)
[04:09] <|NewUser|> thats better ;/
[04:10] <clever> [117658.936000]  Modules linked in: cifs nfs lockd sunrpc nls_cp437 isofs udf arc4 tun binfmt_misc rfcomm l2cap bluetooth nbd ppdev speedstep_smi speedstep_lib cpufreq_userspace cpufreq_stats cpufreq_powersave cpufreq
[04:10] <clever> wrong paste
[04:10] <clever> [117532.604000]   <1>BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000000
[04:10] <Hobbsee> wm_eddie: patch -p1 < path/foo
[04:10] <|NewUser|> BBL*
[04:10] <clever> what would cause that and where should i report the rest of the dump?
[04:11] <valehru> oh well, this breakage will give me some time to practice my Chinese chars....
[04:11] <acuster> hey all, anyone else having network monitor no longer seeing wireless networks?
[04:11] <acuster> in the last few days
[04:11] <clever> acuster: linksys/rtl card?
[04:12] <acuster> wow, centrino something or other
[04:12] <wm_eddie> Hobbsee: thanks again.
[04:12] <clever> acuster: the rtl module for my wifi card was added to the blacklist in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist because it kept some systems from booting at all
[04:13] <clever> the end of that file names the bug #'s and you can manualy modprobe the module or comment those lines out if they are the cause of the problem
[04:13] <Hobbsee> wm_eddie: :)
[04:13] <acuster> clever, thanks, I'd be surprised since it's the free(ish) intel chip
[04:13] <clever> ahh
[04:13] <johnnybuoy> !RC
[04:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:13] <clever> yeah i have an intel wifi card in another laptop
[04:14] <clever> had to get the firmware from the intel site and agree to something
[04:14] <johnnybuoy> !Release-candidate
[04:14] <Hobbsee> johnnybuoy: will be a while yet
[04:15] <acuster> glossy gnu eh?
[04:15] <wm_eddie> Damnit, compiling this thing is like a million times harder than the fix.
[04:15] <johnnybuoy> Hobbsee, ah..
[04:17] <Hidan> !release-candidate
[04:17] <Hidan> let's see...
[04:17] <Hidan> oh well
[04:18] <wm_eddie> Bleh, I have little time to fight with you debuild
[04:20] <balster_neb> so is the new kernel going to be 2.6.20-15.24?
[04:21] <Hidan> damn my sudoku skills aren't up to scratch
[04:21] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, Hmm is it me or are we not allowed to fetch the 2.6.20-14.23 kernel anymore :)
[04:23] <Kaplan_> i have that installed
[04:23] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: it's not you
[04:24] <PriceChild> good good :)
[04:24] <gnomefreak> 2.6.20-15.24 will be the fixed kernel
[04:24] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/2.6.20-15.24
[04:24] <PriceChild> woo
[04:25] <mon^rch> I like the rain effect :
[04:26] <HorizonXP> hey
[04:26] <HorizonXP> how come i can't get the rain effect on beryl to work?
[04:26] <Hidan> anyone got this error while trying to update?  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/universe/source/Sources.bz2: MD5Sum mismatch
[04:27] <mon^rch> (I use compiz)
[04:27] <Kaplan_> so this is out 2.6.20-15.24  ???
[04:27] <gnomefreak> Hidan: run apt-get update again
[04:27] <gnomefreak> Kaplan_: not in repos yet but will be in next day or so
[04:27] <johnnybuoy> when does it get to the mirrors?
[04:27] <gnomefreak> ^^^
[04:27] <valehru> johnnybuoy, exactly what I want to know.
[04:27] <johnnybuoy> :)
[04:28] <johnnybuoy> depends on the mirror, I guess..
[04:28] <gnomefreak> its been uploaded and might have been pushed but i can let you know in a minute
[04:28] <gnomefreak> expect it later today
[04:28] <gnomefreak> maybe tomorrow
[04:28] <johnnybuoy> oki'doc
[04:28] <valehru> is it on a specific server now?
[04:28] <johnnybuoy> hmm :(
[04:28] <johnnybuoy> let's flood it!
[04:28] <gnomefreak> valehru: no
[04:29] <johnnybuoy> ;P
[04:29] <Hobbsee> johnnybuoy: after it's built.
[04:29] <gnomefreak> they maybe waiting for the rest of the package they need to upgrade with it
[04:30] <jmichaelx> moving to 2.6.20 must have been trickier than usual... lots of kernel related breakages
[04:31] <jmichaelx> feisty seems really nice, though, i must say
[04:31] <gnomefreak> i dont think i would say lots
[04:31] <mon^rch> compiz can't handle .emerald, can it?
[04:31] <Hidan> gnomefreak: strange. why does apt-get update work while running Update manager more than twice, not work?
[04:31] <root> So I did an update last night and now I am dropped to busybox.
[04:31] <Taim> hang on.
[04:31] <jmichaelx> gnomefreak: i'm sure... i have only been around linux for a year, so i don't have all that much context
[04:31] <HorizonXP> wait
[04:32] <HorizonXP> what did this morning's updates do?
[04:32] <gnomefreak> jmichaelx: this is nothing
[04:32] <HorizonXP> i haven't restarted yet
[04:32] <gnomefreak> HorizonXP: without you telling us the updates we cant tell you
[04:32] <fryfrog> guess Taim didn't wanna irc as root :)
[04:32] <Taim> Nope.
[04:32] <HorizonXP> oh, lol
[04:32] <HorizonXP> i don't know either, i just installed them
[04:32] <HorizonXP> there were like 45MB of udpates
[04:33] <HorizonXP> so i didn't bother reading them
[04:33] <HorizonXP> was there a kernel upgrade?
[04:33] <gnomefreak> you only get updates for what you have installed and i dont know what you have or when last time you updated.
[04:33] <Custombrush>  HorizonXP if you have sata hds dont restart
[04:33] <finalbeta> Sometimes I wonder who does GUI design. I get an update manager error, some files could not be downloaded and it asks me if I want to continue. Only after I choose it tels me what files couldn't be downloaded. should my answer to the first question be based on that :/
[04:33] <gnomefreak> this mornings for me is initramfs-tools kde-guidance kde-guidance-powermanager
[04:33] <HorizonXP> this is a laptop, so hopefully i'm ok, thanks custombrush
[04:33] <gnomefreak> libvte-common libvte9 python-vte
[04:33] <HorizonXP> python was updated for me i think'
[04:34] <juxon> how do I exit from a console ?
[04:34] <soothsay> exit
[04:34] <gnomefreak> juxon: exit
[04:34] <soothsay> ctrl-D
[04:34] <ConstyXIV> juxon: ctrl-C
[04:34] <finalbeta> alt-F4 :p
[04:34] <gnomefreak> ctrl+c doesnt exit a terminal and iirc neither does ctrl+d
[04:34] <gnomefreak> ctrl+d does
[04:34] <soothsay> gnomefreak: Ctrl-D normally exits a terminal (depends on shell and shell options)
[04:34] <lester_> gnomefreak, ctrl+d is an alias for logout
[04:34] <_Neil> ctrl-d does for me
[04:35] <gnomefreak> it inserts exit
[04:35] <_Neil> yeah :D
[04:35] <finalbeta> alt-f4 works for exiting everything. so that's the preferred answer.
[04:35] <_Neil> Hi guys, if i swap virtual terminals using ctrl-alt-f1, going back to x i hang at a black screens
[04:35] <_Neil> same if i resume from standby
[04:35] <_Neil> any ideas?
[04:35] <jonah> hi just installed feisty but exaile doesn't seem to want to play much, some songs play some dont
[04:35] <lester_> finalbeta, doesn't exit a console, only closes a window :P
[04:35] <PriceChild> _Neil, this is with some sort of compositing going on?
[04:35] <juxon> and all my applications are stopped if I go in a console?
[04:36] <soothsay> juxon: What?
[04:36] <_Neil> Pricechild: How do you mean?
[04:36] <gnomefreak> _Neil: compiz or beryl?
[04:36] <PriceChild> _Neil, have you got compiz or beryl running when you do this?
[04:36] <_Neil> Sure have, however it is the same without beryl...
[04:36] <burke> Hi! I have a major problem. I'm running the Feisty beta and after a recent upgrade my computer won't boot up anymore. I don't even get a real shell, just a minimal "initramfs" shell
[04:37] <juxon> soothsay: i mean, if I have gimp open and i start a console, when i go back it will be open again?
[04:37] <PriceChild> _Neil, same without beryl....? how odd
[04:37] <burke> does anybody have any idea what I could do
[04:37] <PriceChild> !breakage | burke
[04:37] <ubotu> burke: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published Real Soon Now
[04:38] <Hobbsee> burke: just wait.
[04:38] <_Neil> Fails on suspend to ram resume also, I've tried adding a couple of acpi parameters to the grub boot line I found in an FAQ, however it made no difference..
[04:38] <burke> ubotu: thanks ... how will I be able to get the fix ... I can't even apt-get update
[04:38] <Hobbsee> burke: chroot
[04:38] <PriceChild> burke, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=306424
[04:38] <burke> thanks so much you all!
[04:38] <PriceChild> burke, that's instructions on how to use a live cd (or other linux install) to fix things
[04:38] <soothsay> juxon: Erm. It's easier to use, for example gnome-terminal, than to use virtual terminals (ctrl-alt-f1). But in either case, yes, your applications won't close themselves unless you logout
[04:39] <_Neil> Pricechild: My only other issue with Feisty is that, as in Edgy, the livecd still hangs at the gnome prompt with my 7800GT, graphical corruption is evident...
[04:39] <_Neil> Have to swap to vesa then install the nvidia packages
[04:39] <_Neil> Perhaps some issues with this card in ubuntu as a whole? :D
[04:39] <juxon> soothsay: ok, thanks
[04:39] <Taim> ooo..not good.  My system can't find /dev/disk/by-uuid/<annoying numbers>
[04:39] <mon^rch> where do I put ".cgwtheme"?
[04:39] <knewt> just wondering what the hold-up is with the Feisty RC? it was supposed to have happened yesterday, yes?
[04:39] <_Neil> Got a thread on the forum somewhere, a lot of people with my card had the same problem..
[04:39] <PriceChild> knewt, things a broken, be patient :)
[04:39] <soothsay> juxon: Be careful on this point which cases beginners by suprise: If you start an application from a terminal, then close the terminal, the application will close (since it is tied to it's parent process)
[04:40] <PriceChild> mon^rch, that's a _VERY_ old theme which is no longer compatible with anything.
[04:40] <soothsay> s/it's/its
[04:40] <gnomefreak> soothsay: unless  you add & to the end
[04:40] <soothsay> gnomefreak: No.
[04:40] <johnnybuoy> yep, true
[04:40] <gnomefreak> yes
[04:41] <soothsay> gnomefreak: No.
[04:41] <knewt> PriceChild: heh, ok. maybe something on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule to indicate status would be useful?
[04:41] <gnomefreak> soothsay: it will stay in background
[04:41] <mon^rch> PriceChild: I wan't compiz to use a different theme besides the metacity one :/
[04:41] <PriceChild> knewt, that's the "plan", not how things turn out :)
[04:41] <soothsay> gnomefreak: It is still tied to the terminal. Go ahead. Try it.
[04:41] <mon^rch> aren't there compiz specific themes?
[04:41] <Hidan> hmmm Desktop effects was fun but it had to go. :( Once i enabled it, I could not transfer my windows in between workspaces.
[04:41] <Hidan> Oh well.
[04:41] <Taim> Mnn..OK...older kernel works.
[04:41] <SlimeyPete> mon^rch: install Emerald. That's the compiz/beryl window decorator.
[04:41] <soothsay> soothsay: The way around it is to spawn in a subshell (separate process)
[04:41] <PriceChild> soothsay, not true, try "gedit &"
[04:41] <knewt> PriceChild: is there actually a status page anywhere?
[04:41] <lester_> gnomefreak, you'd have to fork the process out of the terminal, not just put it in the background
[04:41] <PriceChild> knewt, no
[04:42] <knewt> pity
[04:42] <PriceChild> ah
[04:42] <gnomefreak> soothsay: run it using example: gksudo synaptic & you are than able to close terminal
[04:42] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, actually no... :P
[04:42] <gnomefreak> yes
[04:42] <PriceChild> I just tried it with gedit and doesn't...
[04:42] <soothsay> gnomefreak: It can depend on your shell options, but in general you are wrong
[04:43] <soothsay> gnomefreak: I just did it with emacs
[04:43] <PriceChild> I thought it did too.
[04:43] <mon^rch> SlimeyPete: ok, how do I start emerald?
[04:43] <gnomefreak> i just did it with synaptic
[04:43] <SlimeyPete> PriceChild: I just tried and it does
[04:43] <gnomefreak> synaptic is still running
[04:43] <knewt> works here, although i'm back on breezy on this box
[04:43] <PriceChild> SlimeyPete, I guess it depends on setup then :)
[04:43] <PriceChild> We're all right :P
[04:43] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: you cant maybe due to beryl
[04:43] <SlimeyPete> mon^rch: once Emerald is installed, make sure you have the beryl-settings-manager installed. Run that, right-click on the icon that appears and select Emerald from the menu.
[04:44] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, this is an fluxbox session.. .nothing else
[04:44] <gnomefreak> but im playing in synaptic without term open anymore
[04:44] <SlimeyPete> mon^rch: that's roughly what you do... I'm having to recall this from memory as I don't have compiz on this machine
[04:44] <soothsay> gnomefreak: Again, it depends on shell options.
[04:44] <gnomefreak> soothsay: this is bash
[04:44] <SlimeyPete> mon^rch: once Emerald is running, you can use the emerald theme manager to install themes (you may have to grab it from synaptic)
[04:45] <gnomefreak> gksudo synaptic & opens it in background no longer needing terminal open
[04:45] <gnomefreak> if your useing something other than bash i cant help you. since bash is default
[04:46] <soothsay> gnomefreak: Do this in the terminal 'shopt -u huponexit'
[04:46] <soothsay> gnomefreak: Do this in the terminal 'shopt -s huponexit'
[04:46] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, gksudo foo & lets you do it
[04:46] <soothsay> gnomefreak: Sorry, do the -s not the -u
[04:46] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, sudo foo & isn't
[04:46] <soothsay> gnomefreak: And retry your experiment
[04:47] <Gambaroni> when I'm going to install using netboot.. it says no disc driver.. Could it be because it tries to use the lan card as disc?
[04:47] <lester_> gnomefreak, isn't dash default now? or is that just default for /bin/sh?
[04:47] <gnomefreak> dash is system term not user term default
[04:49] <soothsay> gnomefreak: So you tried it?
[04:49] <gnomefreak> soothsay: and PriceChild i did it on a system default gnome-terminal bash session as it is installed. if you change it or use somehting to prevent it that isnt my fault.
[04:49] <lester_> gnomefreak, k.. I've ran into problems using proprietary installers like freenx and stuff..  just lucky I had run into an article explaining the problem before. sure looks lika a nasty bug without knowing it has been replaced..
[04:49] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, only works for gksudo, not sudo
[04:49] <PriceChild> or without sudo
[04:49] <gemidjy> still 403
[04:50] <mon^rch> SlimeyPete: the only way I can seem to use themes is with beryl...
[04:50] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: gksudo is how you run gui apps. i havent tried with sudo because you dont need to run a text app like that
[04:50] <gnomefreak> text app stays in terminal
[04:51] <soothsay> gnomefreak: 'Default' is system dependent. That was my point. I didn't (and don't) know the default for Ubuntu with Bash. On every other system I have used it closes by default. It is surprising to most beginners. That is all.
[04:51] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, but it doesn't work with a standard "gedit &"
[04:51] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, it _only_ works for "gksudo foo &" afaict
[04:52] <SlimeyPete> mon^rch: try asking in #ubuntu-effects, they may be more helpful than me
[04:52] <gnomefreak> right.
[04:52] <gnomefreak> soothsay: seeing this is a ubuntu channel its helpful to know those things ;)
[04:53] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: yes only works with gksudo to run normal apps there is a way i just dont remember it off hand
[04:53] <soothsay> gnomefreak: I don't use Bash. Why would I know?
[04:53] <soothsay> gnomefreak: And even if I did, I most certainly would use my own config
[04:53] <gnomefreak> soothsay: dont know what you use i just told you what it is on ubuntu default settings
[04:54] <hexidigital> hey all... is there a fix for the kernel update yet?
[04:54] <gnomefreak> hexidigital: not yet released
[04:54] <hexidigital> gnomefreak:  cool.. just curious, how will i apply it to my non-bootable system?
[04:55] <hexidigital> or will i need to reinstall
[04:55] <PriceChild> hexidigital, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=306424
 sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   if you dont see the new kernel it has not been released yet
[04:55] <PriceChild> hexidigital, that guide won't work yet though
[04:55] <hexidigital> hey, that's good enough for me
[04:55] <hexidigital> gnomefreak:  i meant, i cannot boot the system
[04:55] <treq> hi, anyone knows why system services that are supposed to run on boot appearing as "not running" on system services?
[04:56] <treq> (kubuntu)
[04:56] <gnomefreak> hexidigital: can you boot in for lack of better words "safe mode"
[04:56] <hexidigital> gnomefreak:  nope
[04:56] <gnomefreak> hexidigital: do you have another kenrel installed you can boot to
[04:57] <gnomefreak> while testing and even when not always keep a spare kernel in grub incase of issues
[04:57] <hexidigital> i didn't try *all* the kernels, but the ones i did try didn't work.. probably 4 or 5
[04:57] <Hidan> hmmm damn. even though i ran sudo apt-get update, I'm still getting md5 mismatch. :/
[04:57] <hexidigital> i usually keep the current + the last two kernels available in grub
[04:57] <gnomefreak> hexidigital: 4 or 5? we are on 14 going into 15
[04:57] <ScarFreewill> Hidan: are you on de mirror?
[04:58] <gnomefreak> what happened to 6-13
[04:58] <Hidan> scarfreewill: no, i'm downloading from the main server.
[04:58] <ScarFreewill> Hidan: de mirror was broken for me yesterday i switched to main server
[04:58] <gnomefreak> Hidan: its due to the Release file on the repo it will get fixed try another counrty code
[04:58] <hexidigital> gnomefreak:  no... i meant i tried 4 or 5... not kernels 4 and 5
[04:58] <gnomefreak> ah
[04:58] <Hidan> gnomefreak: oh all right... phew
[04:59] <gnomefreak> one of the sources wasnt completely uploaded. maybe server shut down during upload or power failure
[04:59] <Hidan> gnomefreak: holy cripes lol
[05:00] <gnomefreak> i do think the ubuntu repos are automatic on gen. release file
[05:00] <Hidan> gnomefreak: 'tis a good thing we've md5 checksum then, otherwise think of the nightmare it'd create. :P
[05:00] <hexidigital> PriceChild:  your guide looks easy enough :P
[05:01] <PriceChild> hexidigital, you should even need to do that much if you can use a backup kernel
[05:02] <DrStein> hello
[05:02] <HairyDude> is there an archive for this channel?
[05:03] <aaroncampbell> I am CONSTANTLY being told by adept that It couldn't commit the changes...but then it shows all or most of the updates as unavailable (like they got installed)
[05:03] <PriceChild> !logs | HairyDude
[05:03] <ubotu> HairyDude: Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[05:03] <DrStein> any updates on the kernel issue of lastnight?
[05:03] <PriceChild> DrStein, not yet
[05:04] <mon^rch> how do I change the default compiz theme?
[05:04] <DrStein> oww :s
[05:04] <HairyDude> thanks
[05:04] <DrStein> PriceChild: thanks
[05:04] <DrStein> see you later guys
[05:05] <addams> word ups
[05:05] <aaroncampbell> Specifically Adept says: There was an error commiting changes.  Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[05:05] <aaroncampbell> And I think commiting should have 2 t's: "committing"
[05:05] <mawe> hi all. anybody else having problems with the last update in feisty breaking disk access?
[05:06] <fryfrog> mawe: nah, no one at all :p
[05:06] <addams> my last update of feisty was incomplete
[05:06] <burke> mawe: an update will be released soon
[05:06] <mawe> fryfrog: i guess thats a yes then...
[05:06] <USSJoin> Any idea when ubuntu's going to push the fixed kernel (to replace the current busted one)?
[05:06] <fryfrog> yeah :)
[05:06] <MarcN> I just tried to update from us.archive.ubuntu.com and get a 403 forbidden tryin to get linux-image-2.6.20-14-generica_2.6.20-14.23_i386.deb
[05:06] <fryfrog> is your sata?
[05:06] <fryfrog> er, yours
[05:06] <mawe> fryfrog: no...
[05:07] <USSJoin> MarcN: That's because the kernel's been declared broken.
[05:07] <USSJoin> MarcN: All mirrors have 403'd the package until further notice.
[05:07] <MarcN> USSJoin: that is good then.   How about updating this channel's banner?
[05:07] <aaroncampbell> MarcN: what command did you use to update?
[05:07] <fryfrog> mawe: is it an nforce4 chipset maybe?
[05:08] <MarcN> aaroncampbell: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade on a feisty that has been tracking updates
[05:08] <addams> i wonder what mark shuttleworth is doing at this very second
[05:08] <USSJoin> MarcN: I'd love to, if I knew when the new kernel was being pushed
[05:08] <fryfrog> mawe: can you get to the point where you can chroot into your busted environtment?
[05:08] <MarcN> aaroncampbell: needed only 38 new packages.
[05:08] <MarcN> USSJoin: just to say it is broken would be useful.  It is a pretty key component ;-)
[05:08] <mawe> fryfrog: i updated two machines: desktop has nforce chipset, laptop (also busted) is a thinpad x24 from the stone age, definitely no nforce or sata :-)
[05:09] <mawe> fryfrog: well, i rebooted with the previous kernel (-17)
[05:10] <MarcN> Hobbsee: thanks
[05:10] <Tominator> hi! I've got a huge problem with my bash! when I press "tab" for auto completation, it freezes... (feisty) does anybody know the problem?
[05:10] <eagles0513875> does this http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_add_Windows_entry_into_GRUB_menu work with feisty as well
[05:10] <hexidigital> Hobbsee:  since no one reads the topic, why not set it to notice?
[05:10] <hexidigital> s/to/as
[05:10] <maccam94> eagles0513875, it should, seeing as it pertains to the windows part
[05:10] <Hobbsee> hexidigital: because no one reads notices either.
[05:10] <hexidigital> Hobbsee:  :/
[05:11] <Hobbsee> in fact, less so
[05:11] <eagles0513875> just  making sure
[05:11] <maccam94> w00t, good thing i haven't updated ubuntu since last evening...
[05:11] <Hobbsee> hexidigital: i can give them the boot, but cant really physically do anything else to force poeple to read the info, or stop filing bugs over the same issue
[05:11] <addams> I just now read the topic
[05:11] <addams> the news will spread
[05:12] <Tominator> will the fix be availible through synaptic?
[05:12] <gnomefreak> who was it asking where they can get linux-image-2.6.20-14-generic??
[05:12] <aaroncampbell> MarcN: I was testing those commands...since I've been using the graphical equivalents (adept).  I see something in their output that bothers me though: 24 not fully installed or removed
[05:12] <Hidan> omg lol
[05:12] <gnomefreak> reason you cant get it is it is blocked due to breakage
[05:12] <aaroncampbell> What can I do about that
[05:12] <Hidan> i'm so NOT rebooting the pc if i can help it.
[05:12] <Hobbsee> Tominator: no.  will be in antartica.  duh.
[05:12] <PriceChild> aaroncampbell, read the topic
[05:13] <HorizonXP> hey guys
[05:13] <HorizonXP> my wireless is a little messed up after yesterday's update
[05:13] <gnomefreak> HorizonXP: let me guess n-m thinks you not connected but you really are?
[05:13] <HorizonXP> kinda
[05:13] <aaroncampbell> PriceChild: that's why I have 24 stuck packages?
[05:14] <finalbeta> Feisty keeps giving me errors on the update process, can't download the kernel image, I don't have the rights on the server :/
[05:14] <gnomefreak> HorizonXP: the fix will be released shortly ;)
[05:14] <HorizonXP> the icon doesn't do the "Connecting..." animation like it did before
[05:14] <gnomefreak> finalbeta: read what i said 3-10 lines up
[05:14] <gnomefreak> HorizonXP: its fixed waiting for push
[05:14] <mc44> Hobbsee: if i use sudo will the 403 error go away?
[05:14] <Hobbsee> mc44: no
[05:14] <PriceChild> haha
[05:14] <Hobbsee> finalbeta: see the topic
[05:15] <HorizonXP> that and i have to get it to connect to a random network, then tell it to connect to the wireless network i want
[05:15] <mc44> Hobbsee: sorry :p
[05:15] <gnomefreak> YOU WILL NOT BEABLE TO GET THE KERNEL -14
[05:15] <Hobbsee> mc44: yes.  keep trying.  :P
[05:15] <finalbeta> gnomefreak: ah, I see, would be nice if they did something about how the error is passed to the user though. First it asks you if you want to continue or not because of an "error", and then after you pressed yes or no, it shows the error. Whoever wrote that must have been drunk.
[05:15] <ScarFreewill> gnomefreak: is that pkgs out of apt now?
[05:15] <gnomefreak> all updates for that kernel have been blocked
[05:15] <Tominator> will the upgrades in the repos fix the problems?
[05:15] <gnomefreak> finalbeta: they did that so you dont break your system
[05:16] <gnomefreak> Tominator: when they are finished yes
[05:16] <Hobbsee> finalbeta: it's a development realease.  this doesnt happen normally
[05:16] <gnomefreak> ScarFreewill: no
[05:16] <Tominator> okay... good...
[05:16] <finalbeta> gnomefreak: I'm talking about the GUI, first they ask the question, and then they give you the error the question is based upon. doesn't make any sense.
[05:16] <finalbeta> Dev release or not :p
[05:16] <PriceChild> finalbeta, how do you know whether something will work unless you try it?
[05:17] <finalbeta> So is everyone missing the point here?
[05:17] <gnomefreak> finalbeta: it was a non expected thing. they are more concered with fixing it than telling users it broken
[05:17] <ScarFreewill> thx Hobbsee
[05:17] <Hobbsee> heeh
[05:17] <PriceChild> finalbeta, apt can not tell you that you can't install a package until it tries and fails
[05:17] <gnomefreak> s/on production systems./.
[05:17] <eagles0513875> !aptfix
[05:17] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:18] <finalbeta> PriceChild: not the point.
[05:18] <PriceChild> finalbeta, you're saying "why does my gui ask me whether i want to continue... and then say it can't when i press yes?"
[05:19] <gnomefreak> finalbeta: in emergencies its put in place without any care how it comes across or what it says
[05:19] <gnomefreak> they are protecting you from the breakage.
[05:19] <HorizonXP> anyone know why i have to tell n-m to connect to another network, before i can connect to the one i want?
[05:19] <finalbeta> PriceChild: no, why does my guy ask me if I want to continue because there was an error. Then I press no. Then it shows me the error. The first question is based on the error, so the error should be shown before I get asked the question.
[05:19] <HorizonXP> this happened before yesterday's update too
[05:20] <HairyDude> they ought to remove the update rather than just denying permission to it
[05:20] <gnomefreak> latest n-m should fix your problem
[05:20] <HorizonXP> gnomefreak: the one that's going to be pushed later today? any idea of timeline?
[05:20] <mc44> HairyDude: they dont do that because mirrors are slow to update
[05:20] <Hobbsee> HairyDude: you break more with doing that.  just wait, and cope.
[05:20] <PriceChild> finalbeta, ah I getcha...
[05:20] <gnomefreak> HorizonXP: no i dont since i built it
[05:21] <PriceChild> finalbeta, file a bug :P
[05:21] <gnomefreak> tell the developers to let you break your system than remove the broken update until they fix it.
[05:21] <gils> can someone please tell me what is going on? are we in repository hell????
[05:21] <PriceChild> gils, read the topic :)
[05:21] <gnomefreak> gils: a kernel bug that is being worked on
[05:21] <gils> ok
[05:22] <mc44> PriceChild: there should be something in the topic telling people to read the topic :p
[05:22] <iXneonXi> Ah
[05:22] <PriceChild> mc44, you'd have to ask hobbsee about that
[05:22] <gils> yes yes yes, i read the topic.
[05:22] <gils> i wanted a bit more enlightening information
[05:22] <iXneonXi> The Network Status applet bug is definitely known right? Whenever I boot it says there's no connection...
[05:22] <gnomefreak> mc44: on join there is
[05:22] <gnomefreak> 04:11 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [#ubuntu+1]  Please read the topic.  Escpecially if things are broken
[05:22] <Hobbsee> iXneonXi: yeah, think so
[05:23] <Hobbsee> gils: then see the "more info" and the bug
[05:23] <mc44> gnomefreak: yeah, theres a typo too :)
[05:23] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: dunno how to change that
[05:23] <gnomefreak> mc44: yes i know . Hobbsee we cant
[05:23] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i think only 30 and up can
[05:23] <Hobbsee> ah
[05:23] <iXneonXi> wonder if ubotu can find me the launchpad link
[05:23] <gnomefreak> seveas added it on my request a while ago
[05:24] <bipolar> Yay! Feisty B0rkage! :p
[05:24] <iXneonXi> heh
[05:24] <iXneonXi> would you look at that
[05:24] <iXneonXi> Update Manager found an update for Network Manager
[05:24] <iXneonXi> might fix it xD
[05:25] <eagles0513875> how do i run a shell script
[05:25] <ravi_master> updated to 2.6.20-14-generic and everything stops on bootup. So I continue using 2.6.20-13-generic, how can I totally remove 2.6.20-14, tried the normal apt-get removal method and it took away my linux-generic.
[05:25] <mc44> ravi_master: just wait for a new kernel update
[05:26] <skwashd> ravi_master: see topic
[05:26] <ravi_master> ok
[05:26] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: sh file.sh
[05:26] <eagles0513875> ok
[05:26] <eagles0513875> im installing ut2004 where should i install the files too
[05:27] <LoneShadow2> !breakage
[05:27] <ubotu> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published Real Soon Now
[05:27] <finalbeta> How fast is real soon?
[05:27] <finalbeta> Like 5 minutes?
[05:27] <mc44> finalbeta: we dont know
[05:27] <Hobbsee> finalbeta: When It's Ready
[05:27] <finalbeta> Haha
[05:27] <gnomefreak> finalbeta: in a few days
[05:27] <gnomefreak> ty
[05:27] <Hidan> LOL
[05:27] <HorizonXP> anyone know if Beagle or Deskbar has bugfixes?
[05:27] <finalbeta> Haha ;)
[05:27] <HorizonXP> anyone know if there are Beagle or Deskbar bugfixes?
[05:27] <eagles0513875> what installation path should i use for ut2004
[05:27] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: no
[05:28] <gnomefreak> eagles0513875: ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:28] <gnomefreak> HorizonXP: no
[05:28] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: sorry not you
[05:28] <HorizonXP> booooooooo
[05:28] <Hobbsee> !no breakage is <reply> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/82314 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/106063  - A fix will be published When It's Ready
[05:28] <ubotu> I'll remember that Hobbsee
[05:28] <ubotu> Malone bug 82314 in linux-source-2.6.20 "pata driver in libata is thwarted by HPA" [Critical,Fix committed]
[05:28] <HorizonXP> mine doesn't work... :(
[05:29] <HorizonXP> has anyone got beagle-live to work properly
[05:29] <HorizonXP> ?
[05:29] <iXneonXi> Hey, newb question: when should you actually *restart* after installing updates. It's a Windoze habit but rarely have I been *told* to do so in Linux
[05:29] <nerdygirl_ellie> Thank you topic message for answering. :)
[05:29] <PriceChild> iXneonXi, kernel updates
[05:29] <mc44> nerdygirl_ellie: wow, youre the first to read it :)
[05:29] <PriceChild> nerdygirl_ellie, whoa someone read it :)
[05:29] <LoneShadow2> so are others facing same problem with 2.6.20 ? It seems to be working fine for me :D