[05:59] <Squirm> morning
[06:57]  * Kilos greets those not just lurking
[07:26]  * jrgns greets back
[07:45] <superfly> hi all
[07:45] <Kilos> hi superfly psydroid jrgns
[07:46] <jrgns> hey psydroid
[07:47] <psydroid> hi Kilos superfly and jrgns
[08:21] <Kilos> hi tonberry352_
[08:21] <Kilos> hi sakhi
[08:21] <tonberry352_> hello
[08:46] <Kilos> hmm sflr has been on holiday so we might see him here again soon
[09:01] <Kilos> superfly, can you mail me the pricing structure or whatever for them airtime machines please
[09:02] <Kilos> ian will propose they get for the business once he has the facts
[09:07] <tonberry352_> anyone who knows how to transparently proxy ssl?
[09:09] <tonberry352_> or rather how to transparently proxy arbitrary ports
[09:17] <tonberry352_> short of hacking something together with pcap...
[09:37] <superfly> Kilos: I'll ask our sales lady to mail you.
[09:38] <Kilos> ty superfly with all costs etc too please
[09:39] <superfly> yup, she'll mail you all the info
[09:39] <Kilos> dnake
[09:40] <Kilos> danke too
[09:50] <SilverCode> morning
[09:50] <Kilos> hi SilverCode
[10:17] <Symmetria> *hrm* can someone remind me of the vi search and replace syntax to only change the next 10 instances of something
[10:41] <Kilos> bbl
[10:46] <magespawn> Maaz tell Kilos will do as soon as I get back to my shop
[10:46] <Maaz> magespawn: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[10:51] <magespawn> afternoon all.
[10:55] <Squirm> in bash, I want to take an integer, 04 and subtract 1 from this to get an answer of 03, but it gives me an answer of 3
[10:56] <Trixar_za> Hmmm, sounds familiar and there is a trick to it
[10:56] <Squirm> my number range is 01-49, so it'd have to work
[10:57] <Trixar_za> Right
[10:57] <Trixar_za> seq using -w
[10:57] <Trixar_za> It pads the zeroes
[10:57] <Trixar_za> http://jonathanwagner.net/2007/04/zero-padding-in-bash/
[10:57] <Trixar_za> How to make that useful I don't know :P
[10:57] <Squirm> like
[10:58] <Squirm> to create the files I use a for loop
[10:58] <Squirm> for x in {01..49};
[10:58] <Trixar_za> Yeah, you can probably use seq to do that for you
[10:59] <Squirm> so just fyi
[10:59] <Squirm> .:@Filbert:. # printf '%02d\n' $((04-1)); printf '%02d\n' $((21-1))
[10:59] <Squirm> .:@Filbert:. 03
[10:59] <Squirm> .:@Filbert:. 20
[11:00] <Squirm> bbl, lunch time
[11:27] <Kilos> sjoe now i done it
[11:28] <Kilos> installed ubuntu tweak and when i rebooted desktop came back as 640x480 and cant find where to set it back again
[11:28] <Kilos> oh and nvidia-current and tried to set up nvidia
[11:29] <Kilos> unity is a very trying release
[11:30] <Kilos> back on 11.04 till i cool down
[11:36] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday
[11:36] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[11:49] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[11:49] <Kilos> hi there magespawn , you well?
[11:49] <magespawn> yes and you?
[11:50] <Kilos> im getting really angry with 12.04
[11:50] <Kilos> hehe
[11:50] <magespawn> does take a bit of getting used to.
[11:51] <Kilos> no the OS isnt bad but getting nm to work with modem is like impossible
[11:53] <Kilos> and trying to get that going has made me install other stuff that shrank desktop to 640x480
[11:53] <Kilos> and cant find seetings to fix again
[11:53] <Kilos> so i resting on 11.04
[11:58] <magespawn> cool but never give up
[11:58] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[12:05] <magespawn> got to go concentrate on other stuff bbl
[13:21] <smile> Hallo :)
[14:20] <Kilos> hi smile
[14:27] <smile> hi Kilos :D
[14:28] <smile> Kilos: i was practising the auto theory to get a learners license
[14:28] <smile> :p
[14:35] <Kilos> goood
[14:53] <Symmetria> woot
[14:53] <Symmetria> I ordered my new machine, it arrives tomorrow
[14:53] <Symmetria> 64gigs of ram ftw :p
[14:59] <Pankreas> Hi people
[15:05] <Kilos> hi Pankreas
[15:05] <Pankreas> and the is life... lol.
[15:05] <Pankreas> Hi Kilos How are you today?
[15:06] <Kilos> good ty young man and you?
[15:07] <Pankreas> Hectic day, sadly not over, still something to sort out with the ex... and then maybe I can install Ubuntu. Otherwise Good.
[15:08] <Kilos> whew
[15:08] <Kilos> ubuntu install goes quich
[15:08] <Kilos> 20-25 mins
[15:08] <Kilos> then longer for updating
[15:08] <Kilos> quick
[15:09] <Pankreas> Wow, Nice, I still have to make space, or partition my 500G hard drive... alot of stuff I don't want to lose.
[15:09] <Kilos> just remember once installed, go to the dash top left and type in ter
[15:09] <Kilos> then you get a terminal
[15:10] <Kilos> or ctrl+ alt +t
[15:10] <Kilos> then type in sudo apt-get update
[15:10] <Kilos> once done type in sudo apt-get upgrade
[15:10] <nuvolari> lol
[15:10] <Kilos> hi nuvolari
[15:10] <liver> hi oom Kilos
[15:11] <Kilos> why?
[15:11] <liver> hi Pankreas
[15:11] <Kilos> why you went liver
[15:11] <Kilos> lolol
[15:11] <Kilos> sorroy
[15:11] <Pankreas> lol, hi liver , nice to see a known face.
[15:11] <Kilos> sorry im slow
[15:11] <liver> Kilos: forming part of a body with Pankreas here
[15:12] <liver> meh, I think it's time to go home
[15:12] <liver> now now
[15:12] <Kilos> ya
[15:12] <Pankreas> bit by bit...
[15:12] <Pankreas> Copy and pasting your instructions Kilos , ty.
[15:12] <Kilos> good lad
[15:13] <Kilos> then you have an up to date ubuntu
[15:13] <Pankreas> I do try. lol
[15:13] <Kilos> then you can go look in software centre for programs you might need
[15:13] <Pankreas> Nice, One of those where, you start the update and go to bed.
[15:14] <Kilos> or sudo apt-get install aptitude xchat
[15:14] <Kilos> no man
[15:14] <Kilos> how fast is your connection
[15:14] <Pankreas> Just another question, will ubuntu pick up my internet dongle? or should I have my settings ready?
[15:14] <Kilos> top right of the screen is a little tower
[15:15] <Kilos> click on that and you should see vpn
[15:15] <Kilos> vpn configure
[15:15] <Kilos> you set up in there wireless wired mobile broadband  etc
[15:15] <Pankreas> That is a good question, not broadband, but I have downloaded stuff with moments over 3meg... not an answer, I know.
[15:16] <Pankreas> Right.  Will do Kilos , Thanks again.
[15:22] <Kilos> just tick freenode then edit and add #ubuntu-za as favourite channel
[15:23] <Kilos> cool
[15:30] <Pankreas> Tx
[15:57] <Pankreas> Good night Kilos, chat if I get to the installing, otherwise tomorrow night then.
[15:57] <Kilos> good Pankreas i should be here
[15:57] <Kilos> good luck
[15:58] <Kilos> just get xchat installed and connected and we can help you with most things
[16:00] <Pankreas> Thank you.
[16:00] <Kilos> np
[16:38] <magespawn> evening all
[16:42] <Kilos> hiyamage
[16:42] <Kilos> grrr
[16:42] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[16:42] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[16:44] <magespawn> whats up?
[16:59] <charlvn> good evening
[16:59] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[16:59]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[16:59] <magespawn> Maaz coffee
[16:59] <Maaz> magespawn: Sorry...
[16:59] <magespawn> Maaz coffee please
[17:00] <Maaz> magespawn: Alrighty
[17:01] <charlvn> he doesn't like it when you don't say please
[17:03] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn and magespawn!
[17:04] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks
[17:04] <Maaz> charlvn: Sure
[17:04] <charlvn> brb
[17:15] <Kilos> hi charlvn was eating
[17:16] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[17:16]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[17:17] <Kilos> sorry magespawn i messed up unity
[17:18] <Kilos> oh you know that
[17:18] <Kilos> is there a way from terminal to change screen sizes
[17:18] <magespawn> Maaz botsnack
[17:18] <Maaz> Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well
[17:18] <magespawn> not that I know of
[17:19] <Kilos> lol so weird
[17:19] <magespawn> you would need to edit the xserver settings I think.
[17:19] <Kilos> imagine your working os at 1024x840 or something down to 640x480
[17:20] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[17:20] <Kilos> half of everything is off screen
[17:20] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[17:20] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[17:24] <Kilos> haha im not the only one
[17:25] <Kilos> http://is.gd/SCjvhC
[17:25] <Kilos> nvidia
[17:31] <Kilos> magespawn, does this look safe to do
[17:31] <Kilos> run xrandr -s 1024x768
[17:32] <Kilos> dont wanna reinstall from scratch again
[17:33] <magespawn> busy reading up on that now.
[17:35] <Kilos> this sounds better
[17:35] <Kilos> In a terminal: sudo gedit /etc/default/grub Search for the line with "quiet spasch", and change it to "quiet splash nomodeset". Save the file. Then sudo update-grub. And reboot your computer. In most of the cases this will help.
[17:35] <Kilos> lol
[17:36] <magespawn> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1705929 there is this thread too.
[17:36] <Kilos> lucky i got min hair so not many more to go gray
[17:36] <Kilos> ty i go see
[17:37] <magespawn> also the wiki on x here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Adding%20undetected%20resolutions
[17:38] <magespawn> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-adjust-screen-resolution-on-ubuntu.html I like this blog.
[17:39] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Adding%20undetected%20resolutions
[17:39] <Kilos> that one looks good using xrandr
[17:41] <Kilos> ty magespawn now to save this info and boot to 12.04 and do it. morrow methinks
[17:41] <Kilos> also been thinking some
[17:42] <magespawn> about?
[17:42] <Kilos> yes it hurts
[17:42] <Kilos> when i install from cd i can get nm working same as on old buntus
[17:42] <Kilos> so if i can stop nm and modemmanager from updating then nm should keep working
[17:43] <Kilos> after upgrading and reboot nm dont work no more
[17:43] <Kilos> the regresive stuff isnt it
[17:43] <Kilos> regressive
[17:43] <magespawn> theoretically
[17:44] <magespawn> or if the do update remove them and reinstall old ones
[17:44] <Kilos> there are hundreds of peeps complaining but not much seems to be getting done about it
[17:44] <Kilos> tried about 30 workarounds already
[17:44] <magespawn> maybe it is not a priority yet
[17:45] <Kilos> i dunno how to do that
[17:45] <Kilos> one guy even said he isnt prepared to battle like that, going back to windows
[17:45] <magespawn> not sure myself Kilos
[17:45] <Kilos> internet connection should be top priority
[17:46] <magespawn> ahh you get those all the time
[17:46] <magespawn> shouled be I agree, that how most ppl get there ubuntu I think.
[17:46] <magespawn> their
[17:46] <Kilos> im sure half the ubuntu users are on mobile broadband
[17:47] <Kilos> tumbleweed, are you very busy?
[17:47] <magespawn> there must be away to lock the version of nm. you can with other programs.
[17:48] <Kilos> nm and modemmanager methinks
[17:48] <magespawn> yup
[17:49] <Kilos> i dont understand upgrading something that works kiff
[17:51] <Kilos> Maaz, google how to stop network manager and modem manager from upgrading after clean install without updating same time
[17:51] <Maaz> Kilos: "NetworkManager - ArchWiki" https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NetworkManager :: "Windows 7 Clean Installation - ThinkPad T420, T420s, T520, W520 ..." http://support.lenovo.com/?sitestyle=lenovo&lndocid=MIGR-77353 :: "13 surprises from Kubuntu 12.04 - Linux notes from DarkDuck" http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2012/05/13-surprises-from-kubuntu-1204.html :: "Newest 'network-manager' Questions - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/question
[17:51] <magespawn> When ms brought vista and 7 they broke a whole load of modem drivers
[17:51] <magespawn> lol
[17:51] <Kilos> lol
[17:51] <magespawn> love the first reply.
[17:51] <Kilos> i installed 7 on a spare drive here and even though it sucks it works
[17:52] <Kilos> oh ya gotta fight with nuvolari
[17:52] <magespawn> spent 6 hours sorting out a corupt outlook pst file.
[17:53] <Kilos> he gave the link to use win7 to change the modems settings then gnome-ppp didnt work
[17:53] <magespawn> if windows worked I would not have work lol
[17:53] <Kilos> eish, everything in winsucks is corrupt
[17:54] <Kilos> lol
[17:54] <Kilos> pc shops live off windows pcs
[17:55] <magespawn> they have some very strange file restrictions
[17:55] <magespawn> I try to get people to use linux when I can
[17:56] <Kilos> 7 wouldnt let me install the gigabyte drivers till i turned something right down
[17:56] <Kilos> well hear what pankreas says when he gets going
[17:57] <Kilos> he sounds clued on winsucks
[17:58] <Kilos> Maaz, google how to stop network manager and modem manager from upgrading after clean install without updating same time on 12.04
[17:58] <Maaz> Kilos: "Newest 'network-manager' Questions - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/network-manager :: "13 surprises from Kubuntu 12.04 - Linux notes from DarkDuck" http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2012/05/13-surprises-from-kubuntu-1204.html :: "Bug #882817 “shutdown screen stuck after upgrade to Ubuntu 11.10 ..." https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/882817 :: "NetworkManager causes orphaned inodes - Launchpad Bugs" https://bugs.launch
[17:58] <Kilos> eish
[18:00] <Kilos> cocooncrash, are you still using ubuntu?
[18:00] <cocooncrash> Kilos: Of course
[18:00] <Kilos> can you give some advice please
[18:01] <Kilos> can one stop nm and modemmanager from upgrading on a clean install
[18:01] <Kilos> 12.04 nm sucks
[18:01] <cocooncrash> You can hold packages to prevent them from being upgraded
[18:01] <Kilos> the one on the live cd works kiff
[18:02] <charlvn> hi back
[18:02] <cocooncrash> But running NM from a different releases is likely to cause issues.
[18:02] <charlvn> hi Kilos, cocooncrash
[18:02] <Kilos> have you a link for me please
[18:02] <cocooncrash> Kilos: Google for "aptitude hold"
[18:02] <Kilos> ty cocooncrash
[18:05] <Kilos> there we go magespawn
[18:06] <Kilos> #aptitude hold package_name
[18:06] <smile> bye :)
[18:06] <Kilos> will try a clean install without being connected
[18:06] <magespawn> cheers smile
[18:06] <Kilos> cheers smil
[18:06] <Kilos> grr
[18:07] <magespawn> ty Kilos and cocooncrash
[18:07] <Kilos> i gotta get unity working properly so i can help noobs
[18:07] <Kilos> hehe
[18:08] <Kilos> and get going for our meet in 7 days time
[18:18] <magespawn> do you need to add a sudo before that?
[18:18] <Kilos> most likely
[18:18] <Kilos> it will say file not found
[18:19] <magespawn> bbl fish time.
[18:19] <Kilos> k
[18:24] <Kilos> magespawn, here is an easier way if you have synaptic installed, one of the first things i did on 12.04
[18:24] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/18654/how-to-prevent-updating-of-a-specific-package
[18:24] <Kilos> dunno if that will stop aptitude and apt-get as well
[18:25] <Kilos> i gona be a geek before i die
[18:25] <Kilos> thanks to unity
[18:27] <Symmetria> ullo
[18:27] <Kilos> i Symmetria
[18:27] <Symmetria> <3 cant wait, new machine tomorrow
[18:27] <Kilos> fingers tired?
[18:27] <Kilos> lol you excited
[18:28] <Symmetria> and lol, since Im getting it now while Im here in Bloem, I get to do its setup and all its initial downloads plugged into the university network :P
[18:28] <Symmetria> 10gig of bandwidth ftw when installing a machine
[18:28] <Kilos> hehe
[18:29] <Symmetria> lol we were downloading vlc earlier to test it
[18:29] <Symmetria> you click go and its there
[18:32] <Kilos> lekker
[18:33] <Kilos> i like vlc
[18:33] <Kilos> plays anything
[18:33] <Symmetria> we're having shit with multicast
[18:38] <Symmetria> but I think its a TENET issue
[18:38] <Symmetria> and thats a big problem because Im the only one at TENET who ever touched that stuff
[18:38] <Symmetria> so I gotta convince them to fix it and listen to me when I tell them how
[18:39] <Kilos> go fix
[18:39] <Kilos> and send the bill
[18:39] <Symmetria> LOL dont have access to fix
[18:39] <Symmetria> else I would
[18:40] <Kilos> wont they give you access
[18:40] <Symmetria> not a chance
[18:40] <Kilos> lol
[18:40] <Kilos> hack it
[18:50] <Kilos> hi psydroid
[18:51] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[18:59] <Symmetria> heh multicast is such a fun technology
[18:59] <Symmetria> when it works its amazing
[18:59] <Symmetria> but the implementations of it are chronic and the debugging of it is a  nightmare
[19:00] <Symmetria> its kinda, the one thing in networking that most network engineers wont go near because if it goes wrong, its a huge pain in the ass to figure out why
[19:11] <Kilos> thats why we got you
[19:16] <Kilos> magespawn, you back?
[19:16] <Kilos> oh no
[19:16] <Kilos> liver, haai
[19:19] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[19:20] <Kilos> that way on synaptic is easy to lock packages
[19:20] <Kilos> will maybe try a clean install and lock whats working as it is
[19:21] <Kilos> and you can see all dependancies in synaptic and lock them too
[19:22] <magespawn> that would work better maybe
[19:22] <magespawn> Symmetria: what is multicast?
[19:27] <magespawn> just read the wikipeadia on it
[19:27] <Kilos> and?
[19:28] <magespawn> on multicast
[19:28] <Kilos> yes and?
[19:29] <Symmetria> heh magespawn mmm
[19:29] <Symmetria> multicast basically allows for packet stream duplication
[19:29] <Symmetria> so, say you have one guy connected behind a switch who connects to a udp stream, like a video broadcast
[19:29] <Symmetria> the next guy behind the switch connects to the same stream
[19:29] <magespawn> they way i understand it i can send something once and multiple ip can recieve it, and if set up properly means i do not need to know how many ppl want it
[19:29] <Symmetria> instead of the data being pulled twice from source, the switch duplicates it
[19:30] <Symmetria> and will duplicate it for each port requesting it
[19:30] <Symmetria> and it works like a giant tree
[19:30] <magespawn> does the switch control it?
[19:30] <Symmetria> so, if the router at the edge of a university campus for example is getting the stream because someone in the university is requesting it
[19:30] <Symmetria> then if someone else in the university requests it, so long as its passing through the same router, the router will still only be getting it once
[19:30] <Symmetria> it duplicates at the point it needs to split
[19:30] <Symmetria> automagically
[19:31] <magespawn> does the router/switch control it?
[19:31] <Symmetria> magespawn well, depends how you define control
[19:32] <magespawn> the duplication happens at the switch?
[19:32] <Symmetria> client sends an IGMP message, switch receives IGMP message, if switch has stream, it starts sending to that port, if it doesnt, it issues a join to its upstream, if upstream has it, it starts sending to switch, if it doesnt, it sends a join etc
[19:32] <Symmetria> the duplication happens at the first point where its "necessary" to duplicate it
[19:32] <Symmetria> umm ok, imagine this
[19:32] <magespawn> i see.
[19:32] <Symmetria> you have a router at the edge of a campus
[19:33] <Symmetria> off that router you have 2 switches
[19:33] <Symmetria> and off each of those switches, you have 2 more switches
[19:33] <Symmetria> so you have 6 switches in total and the router
[19:33] <Symmetria> now, person on switch 1 requests a multicast stream, it sends it to switch 2, which sends it to router, which goes and gets it from the isp
[19:33] <Symmetria> person on switch 3 then requests, and if switch 3 is behind switch 2, switch 2 starts duplicating
[19:34] <Symmetria> if switch 3 is directly connected to the router, the router starts duplicating
[19:34] <Symmetria> it basically grows like a giant tree
[19:34] <magespawn> right got it
[19:35] <magespawn> do you set multicast in the router/switch or is it automatic?
[19:36] <Symmetria> heh, you have to setup igmp on the end point switches
[19:36] <Symmetria> and then you have to route the multicast using a protocol called PIM
[19:36] <Symmetria> and then if you wanna do it wider than that, you start getting into multicast bgp and msdp
[19:36] <Symmetria> (msdp = multicast session distribution protocol)
[19:36] <Symmetria> though some people prefer whats called SSM (Source specific multicast), which is another protocol, mroe designed for v6 though
[19:37] <magespawn> going to do some reading
[19:38] <Symmetria> multicast is very commonly used on big lan networks and things like university campuses
[19:38] <Symmetria> what is NOT common is using it across the internet
[19:38] <Symmetria> that is pretty much the domain of academia :)
[19:38] <Symmetria> heard of something called ghost?
[19:38] <magespawn> no
[19:38] <Symmetria> ghost is an application for imaging machines
[19:38] <Symmetria> it can work via multicast
[19:39] <Symmetria> you can basically setup a "server" that transmits out a machine image
[19:39] <Symmetria> all the clients join it and receive the image similtaneously
[19:39] <Symmetria> so you can image 200 machines at full line rate network speed while only trasmitting from one server
[19:39] <magespawn> nice if you run thin clients
[19:40] <Symmetria> magespawn heh, the universities often run thick clients and still use it
[19:40] <Symmetria> because many universities insist on reimaging every machine in the labs at night in order to clean out bullshit and to stop people storing crap on them
[19:40] <Symmetria> everything on the machine is local, office, windows, the whole thing, its a fully installed machine
[19:41] <Symmetria> but tjhey multicast out like an 8 gig image once every night and reset everything using that image
[19:41] <magespawn> cool
[19:42] <Symmetria> heh kinda kills off virus infections as well
[19:42] <Symmetria> if you get a virus infectino running through your labs, just reimage em all at the same time
[19:42] <Symmetria> end of virus :p
[19:42] <magespawn> would also be the way to run a computer lab at a schoolor college
[19:44] <Symmetria> yeah machine imaging is awesomeness :)
[19:44] <Symmetria> but I dont know that I'd try it on cheap unmanaged switches :)
[19:44] <Symmetria> chances are they would broadcast it rather than multicast it :p
[19:45] <magespawn> how does that work with ms liscence?
[19:45] <Symmetria> heh I'd have to find out how the university handles that but they have some or other volume license agreement that lets it work
[19:45] <Symmetria> basically I think its a volume key
[19:45] <Symmetria> that allows a ton of machines to work on the same key
[19:45] <magespawn> that would work
[19:46] <Symmetria> you should also be able to push out linux images in the same way
[19:46] <magespawn> never played with a managed switch before
[19:46] <Symmetria> heh there are managed switches and managed switches :) lol, they vary rather vastly in what they can do
[19:47] <Symmetria> especially if you look at the difference between an L3 and an L2 switch
[19:47] <Symmetria> personally my switch of choice is either a 24 port or a 48 port juniper ex series
[19:47] <Symmetria> ex 2200 if I want straight layer 2 with extremely basic layer 3
[19:47] <Symmetria> or ex 4200 if I want the whole bang
[19:47] <magespawn> cost?
[19:48] <Symmetria> ex 2200 will set you back anywhere from 10 to 20 thousand dependant on the discounts you get, where you buy it and the volumes you buy em in :)
[19:48] <Symmetria> a ex4200 will cost you double that, but an ex4200 has 10gig uplinks on it as well
[19:48] <magespawn> think I will have to wait on that awhile then
[19:48] <Symmetria> you can get a ex2200 with 24 PoE+ ports for around 15 odd
[19:49] <Symmetria> and PoE+ ftw :)
[19:49] <Symmetria> lol, you can get a 48 port PoE+ version as well, lol, complete with its 900 watt PSU to drive it :p
[19:49] <Kilos> magespawn, you gonna have to raid some varsities
[19:50] <magespawn> yup or go work them
[19:50] <magespawn> or banks
[19:50] <Symmetria> heh I love PoE though, plug something in with an ethernet cable and forget about having to find power for it elsewhere
[19:50] <magespawn> works well for ip cameras
[19:50] <Symmetria> and voip phones
[19:51] <Symmetria> and I've even seen the odd notebook that can power off PoE :p
[19:51] <Symmetria> apple should do that on their macbooks, make them capable of charging via poe
[19:52] <magespawn> ethernet to usb adapter for tablets
[19:52] <magespawn> that would be keen
[19:52] <magespawn> if the tablet can get power that way
[19:54] <magespawn> i am out for tonight, good night all
[19:55] <Kilos> nigfht magespawn
[19:55] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:55] <Kilos> night as well
[19:55] <magespawn> lol night Kilos
[19:55] <Symmetria> gnight dude
[19:55] <Kilos> hehe
[19:56] <Kilos> Maaz, define dude
[19:56] <Maaz> Kilos: Dude \Dude\, n. A kind of dandy; especially, one characterized by an ultrafashionable style of dress and other affectations. [Recent] [1913 Webster]  The social dude who affects English dress and English drawl.                                   --The American. [1913 Webster], dude n 1: an informal form of address for a man; "Say, fellow, what are you doing?"; "Hey buster, what's up?" [syn: {fellow}, {dude}, {buster}] 2: a man who is
[19:57] <Kilos> hehe
[20:13] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:28] <superfly> hello
[20:32] <Symmetria> The shootings at the cinema in Denver have ruined the Batman film for me.
[20:32] <Symmetria> All I can see in my pirate copy is the audience running about.
[20:33] <Kerbero> ai :(
[20:33] <Kerbero> where did you get a camrip of that specific screening anyway?
[20:35] <Symmetria> hahahahaha it was a joke
[20:35] <Symmetria> :p
[20:36] <Kerbero> hahaha
[20:36] <Kerbero> well one never knows what is available
[20:36] <Kerbero> anyway
[20:37] <Kerbero> Symmetria: any idea how to transparent proxy https?
[20:37] <Symmetria> kerbero never done so
[20:37] <Kerbero> ok
[20:37] <Kerbero> then it is likely impossible
[20:37] <Kerbero> :P
[20:38] <Symmetria> heh, if I recall some firewalls and cisco devices have shit that can do the redirection correctly but Ive never tried it at all
[20:39] <Symmetria> but since most of the web these days isnt really cacheable
[20:39] <Symmetria> and your proxy hit rates are generally < 10% in normal environments
[20:39] <Symmetria> whats the point :)
[20:39] <Kerbero> yeah
[20:39] <Kerbero> but universities...
[20:40] <Symmetria> heh, secret for you about most universities and their caches
[20:40] <Kerbero> they sometimes still forces their users to use proxy servers
[20:40] <Symmetria> most of them have caching disabled :p
[20:40] <Kerbero> yes
[20:40] <Symmetria> they use them as authentication devices and as control devices
[20:40] <Kerbero> i don't care about caching
[20:40] <Symmetria> but they dont actually write anything to disk
[20:40] <Kerbero> exactly @ authentication
[20:40] <Symmetria> heh if you're referring to stellenbosch? god only knows why they do what they do :)
[20:40] <Symmetria> UFS uses a PAC file for proxy redirection
[20:41] <Kerbero> to give "free" internet to postgraduate students in the faculties that pays for it
[20:41] <Kerbero> we still have a pac fiel for normal internet too though, but no one uses it
[20:42] <Symmetria> heh, UFS's pac file works fairly well
[20:42] <Symmetria> we were rather worried it would break with the v6 rollout
[20:42] <Symmetria> but it didnt
[20:42] <Kerbero> i'm looking for a way to get routed internet via the "free" proxy
[20:42] <Kerbero> nice
[20:42] <Symmetria> heh no idea, I dont know their setup well enough, other than to know its broken by design
[20:43] <Symmetria> because university billing students for bandwidth is broken by design
[20:43] <Symmetria> :p
[20:43] <Kerbero> lol
[20:43] <Kerbero> indeed
[20:43] <Symmetria> anyway dude, Im off to sleep
[20:43] <Symmetria> gnight :)
[20:43] <Kerbero> night symm
[21:06] <zeref> sigh, keep getting seg faults for gnome-shell
[22:54] <Squirm> http://synergy-foss.org/
[22:54] <Squirm> interesting
[23:33] <zeref> hmmm, how do you tell if a problem is related to the kernal or nvidia?


[13:27] <paultag> [22:39] <skellat> Tornado Warning is up until 7:15  PM local time for Northern Crawford County, Southern Huron County, Northern Richland County, and Southeastern Seneca County: http://forecast.weather.gov/wwamap/wwatxtget.php?cwa=pbz&wwa=tornado%20warning
[22:39] <jenni> [ National Weather Service Watch Warning Advisory Summary ] - http://j.mp/13YE1dl
[22:39] <yano> yup
[22:39] <skellat> "Derecho" conditions are being brought up on the news.  For those that remember, conditions like that helped knock out Amazon's eastern data centers in Virginia last summer.
[22:39] <skellat> Which killed Reddit, Netflix, and a few other things as collateral damage
[22:40] <Unit193> Temp: 82 F (28 C) ~ Partly Cloudy ~ Heat index: 86 F (30 C) ~ Humidity: 67% : Tornado Warning
[22:40] <yano> also, ##weather-us-oh
[22:40] <Unit193> Dowh... Oh, that's a channel?
[22:40] <yano> Crawford; Huron; Richland; Seneca Ohio are under a Tornado Warning
[22:40] <yano> er wait
[22:40] <skellat> Just what I said above
[22:40] <yano> yea
[22:40] <skellat> There is a watch too: http://forecast.weather.gov/wwamap/wwatxtget.php?cwa=pbz&wwa=tornado%20watch
[22:40] <jenni> [ National Weather Service Watch Warning Advisory Summary ] - http://j.mp/13YEgFg
[22:41] <yano> Ashland; Belmont; Carroll; Columbiana; Coshocton; Delaware; Fairfield; Franklin; Guernsey; Harrison; Holmes; Jefferson; Knox; Licking; Lorain; Madison; Medina; Monroe; Morgan; Morrow; Muskingum; Noble; Perry; Richland; Stark; Summit; Tuscarawas; Union; Washington; Wayne
[22:41] <yano> !!!TORNADO!!! *_WATCH_* issued June 12 at 6:30PM EDT until June 13 at 12:00AM EDT by NWS. Certainty: Likely, Severity: Severe, Status: Actual, Urgency: Expected
[22:41] <skellat> So...play it safe.  Sacrifice uptime, not yourselves.
[22:41] <skellat> :-)
[22:42] <yano> heh
[22:42] <skellat> I'm big on emergency preparedness.    KC8BFI
[22:43] <yano> https://xkcd.com/705/
[22:43] <yano> cool
[22:43] <jenni> [ xkcd: Devotion to Duty ] - http://j.mp/13YEyMk
[22:43] <yano> i'm KD8RHR
[22:45] <Unit193> Nooo!! Keep it up!
[22:46] <yano> hehe
[22:46] <skellat> yano: Are you grabbing from the 'Net or are you decoding the code bursts on NOAA Weather Radio?  The modulation scheme is specified in Part 11 of the Commission's Rules and is just slow ASCII audio bursts.
[22:47] <yano> i'm decoding their ATOM feed
[22:47] <skellat> Ah
[22:47] <yano> from here, http://alerts.weather.gov/cap/us.php?x=1
[22:47] <yano> https://github.com/myano/jenni/blob/master/modules/nws.py
[22:47] <jenni> [ jenni/modules/nws.py at master · myano/jenni · GitHub ] - http://j.mp/11p9YOH
[22:47] <skellat> Not getting into the exotic stuff yet
[22:47] <skellat> :-)
[22:48] <skellat> Anything showing via APRS?
[22:48] <yano> i don't use aprs but i do have my handheld around here somewhere
[22:50] <skellat> Here's what the IGATE is showing centered on Mansfield: http://aprs.fi/#!addr=Mansfield%2C%20OH
[22:50] <jenni> [ Google Maps APRS ] - http://j.mp/13YFkJ2
[22:51] <yano> oh and btw, there is also ##weather \o/
[22:52]  * Unit193 just looks at his conky, at wunderground, or something like that.
[22:52] <yano> heh
[22:53] <skellat> Unit193: Time Warner Cable's infrastructure around here breaks too often.  My scanner is on battery backup and NOAA Weather Radio is a hotkey for me to get the latest.  Conky is great but NOAA Weather Radio is official.
[22:54] <Unit193> (Conky pulls from wunderground.)
[22:54] <Unit193> TWC is pretty good here, only dropped a couple minutes last night area wide.
[22:56] <skellat> Not here.  Not here at all.


[01:12] <vthompson> ahayzen, are you around?
[01:34] <ahayzen> vthompson, o/
[01:35] <vthompson> ahayzen, howdy. I was just going to ask if you could review the user metrics and library loading time merges.
[01:36] <vthompson> But, I've already approved the user metrics one now that it's been fixed.
[01:36] <ahayzen> vthompson, i'll have a look in a bit...just battling business cwk :/
[01:37] <vthompson> ahayzen, well enjoy. I'm happy to know that reviewing/testing should be an improvement to your current activities ;)
[01:37] <ahayzen> vthompson, this one? https://code.launchpad.net/~vthompson/music-app/fixes-1234990/+merge/192771
[01:37] <vthompson> ahayzen, yep
[01:38] <ahayzen> vthompson, cool
[01:38] <ahayzen> vthompson, wht build u now using to test?
[01:38] <vthompson> ahayzen, I've been testing with the trusty builds. I'm on r5.
[01:39] <ahayzen> :)
[01:39] <vthompson> ahayzen, I don't think you should have issues if you're still on saucy
[01:39] <ahayzen> vthompson, i'm still on a really old build for the dev mode stuff
[01:40] <ahayzen> vthompson, but haven't tried updating recently as have got caught up with cwk :(
[01:40] <vthompson> ahayzen, ah. The only thing of note would then be that you're probably still pulling cover art from the web. I didn't fix that--the mediascanner people did
[01:41] <ahayzen> ok
[01:41] <vthompson> ahayzen, so you should notice that the blank cover arts show up much more quickly... but the cover art might still be laggy for you
[01:41] <vthompson> that was fixed w/ a mediascanner update around Oct 12
[01:41] <ahayzen> wht about on the desktop?
[01:42] <vthompson> You're probably running saucy with a new mediascanner. If you blow away your old mediascanner stuff and rescan you'll get fresh cached cover art
[01:42] <vthompson> the improvements to load time for the app is similar on the desktop though
[01:44] <ahayzen> ok cool
[01:50] <AskUbuntu> Question for Ubuntu devs, I have concerns about Ubuntu SDK, will changes effect backwards compatibility? | http://askubuntu.com/q/368237
[02:30] <ahayzen> vthompson, ur branch is notably faster on the desktop at loading :)
[02:30] <vthompson> ahayzen, you'll be happy to know that I got rid of that stupid timer we had :)
[02:31] <ahayzen> vthompson, awesome
[02:32] <vthompson> ahayzen, one thing I'd like you to check out is how responsive navigating to the albums/artists/songs tabs is for the first time. ESPECIALLY the Songs tab. I wait to populate their models until the tab is clicked the first time.
[02:32] <vthompson> ahayzen, for me it was very reasonable given not having to wait as the app loads the first time
[02:33] <ahayzen> vthompson, yh i'll have a play...but before onCountChanged was taking ~5seconds now onFinished is the highest thing taking ~0.2seconds!
[02:33] <ahayzen> vthompson, artists and albums isn't too bad as their aren't tht many compared to songs
[02:34] <vthompson> ahayzen, another change is that the queue isn't automatically populated with the contents of the songs tab as it isn't loaded yet. I think this is a good thing and probably per the design spec.
[02:35] <vthompson> so you'll notice that if you swipe the toolbar up it initially comes up as empty state
[02:35] <ahayzen> vthompson, yh tht will be helping alot...have u tested adding files in the cmd line args?
[02:36] <vthompson> ahayzen, no, but I think you just shot down waiting to load the songs tab
[02:36] <vthompson> I think that's required for the file arg stuff
[02:36] <ahayzen> vthompson, i'm don't think it does anymore
[02:37] <ahayzen> vthompson, IIRC it manually adds them to the queue itself
[02:37] <vthompson> I'll try to test as well, but even if we have to add it back the time saves were over 30%
[02:37] <ahayzen> vthompson, oh it gets them from libraryModel
[02:37] <vthompson> yep :\
[02:38] <ahayzen> vthompson, could we get it to query the Grilo model directly?
[02:38] <vthompson> ahayzen, exactly I'll look into that now
[02:38] <ahayzen> vthompson, all it is trying to get is the metadata
[02:40] <ahayzen> vthompson, note there are two different ways tht the arguments work
[02:40] <ahayzen> vthompson, u have the URI handler @ line 123 on music-app.qml
[02:41] <vthompson> yea, it seems file args might be working
[02:41] <ahayzen> vthompson, and then u have the argFile on line 676
[02:41] <ahayzen> both *should* probably be changed to talk to the Grilo model?
[02:42] <vthompson> I'd assume so. I just tried and it worked, but now it isn't working. But I agree complete it should load from the Grilo model
[02:43] <ahayzen> vthompson, i guess the 676 can be moved into the griloModel onFinished?
[02:44] <vthompson> yea yea, that would work perfectly
[02:45] <ahayzen> vthompson, and for the first one could libraryModel be substituted for griloModel?
[02:45] <vthompson> maybe, that's what I'm testing now
[02:46] <ahayzen> u'll need to make a griloModel.indexOf(file) though or just loop through until the file is right
[04:21] <ahayzen> vthompson, ping
[04:22] <vthompson> ahayzen, pong
[04:22] <ahayzen> vthompson, just noticed that if u go to the songs tab then the play queue gets loaded
[04:23] <vthompson> ahayzen, yea, if the user hadn't populated the queue there is probably a missing piece that populates it with the songs tab
[04:24] <ahayzen> vthompson, also think there typo in ur latest branch? u pushed to lp:~vthompson/music-app/vixes-1234990 ?
[04:25] <vthompson> however, I just reverted it because I couldn't get 100% of the file arg stuff working. I think we can offload the loading of the songs tab's model soon, but the savings we have now are significant in many cases
[04:25] <vthompson> ahayzen, ha you are right, I didn't even check that. Re pushing
[04:26] <ahayzen> vthompson, i think the argFile should be pretty simple
[04:26] <ahayzen> vthompson, just looking at the URIHandler bit now...
[04:26] <vthompson> I was having issues loading the trackqueue for some odd reason from grilo
[04:27] <vthompson> It may have been silly errors, though...
[04:27] <ahayzen> vthompson, surely this would work? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6328057/
[04:27] <ahayzen> vthompson, i haven't tested but can't see why it wouldn't just looking at the other bit then i'll have a test
[04:29] <vthompson> Well, at that point the Library nor the libraryModel have that file
[04:29] <vthompson> I was delaying the same call until they had been added, but still had issues
[04:32] <vthompson> eh, just realized I was appending to the trackqueue in an invalid format
[04:36] <ahayzen> vthompson, tht works other than the cover art http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6328074/
[04:39] <vthompson> so yea, we are on the same page
[04:39] <vthompson> Is your version playing the selected file?
[04:40] <ahayzen> vthompson, it is playing the file i parse in the cmd args
[04:41] <ahayzen> vthompson, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6328098/ tht is wht the URIHandler would look like i think
[04:41] <ahayzen> vthompson, but why is the cover art not working?
[04:43] <vthompson> maybe need to do a qt.resolveurl?
[04:45] <ahayzen> vthompson, well in my case i think it is an empty string so it should be using the fallback
[04:46] <ahayzen> vthompson, when there is cover art it has the value file:///home/andy/.cache/media-art/album-de88b1d1abf69a8537aed23f7f62a8f0-c2d715596c4d05ebe9d17f743250e165.jpg
[04:48] <ahayzen> vthompson, ah we are getting the error music-app.qml:495: Error: Cannot assign QVariantMap to QString
[04:49] <vthompson> 495>
[04:49] <vthompson> ?
[04:50] <ahayzen> vthompson, all working :) http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6328116/
[04:50] <ahayzen> vthompson, haven't been able to test the URIHandler though
[04:50] <ahayzen> vthompson, yh the line is probably skewed for u due to my other changes
[04:52] <ahayzen> vthompson, this is a diff off ur lp:~vthompson/music-app/fixes-1234990 @ revision 238 ... not 239 so it is doing this without loading the songs tab :)
[04:53] <vthompson> yea good call, that seems to work
[04:54] <vthompson> I'm not sure it's working once the app is already up though
[04:54] <vthompson> The other section is probably wrong
[04:54] <ahayzen> vthompson, just fixed the issue with it loading the queue when u switch to tht tab
[04:55] <ahayzen> vthompson, ah tht'll be wrong? griloModel.get(i).file
[04:55] <ahayzen> vthompson, we want griloModel.get(i).url.toString()
[04:56] <vthompson> yep, it should be the url
[04:56] <ahayzen> vthompson, does ^^ fix it?
[04:56] <vthompson> checking
[04:57] <vthompson> hm, partially, the next song doesn't play though
[04:57] <ahayzen> vthompson, we are looking at a diff like this now (with the tab loading fix) http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6328146/
[04:58] <ahayzen> vthompson, hmm looking at the current code it only plays if it is the first?
[04:58] <ahayzen> vthompson, wht do u mean by doesn't play?
[05:00] <vthompson> it seems to load the queue, but the track isn't playing
[05:00] <vthompson> duh, I think I know what I did
[05:00] <vthompson> The append should have true at the end right?
[05:01] <ahayzen> append?
[05:01] <vthompson> the trackQueue.model.append
[05:01] <vthompson> around L 150
[05:01] <ahayzen> don't think so....
[05:02] <ahayzen> i've never put a true in an append
[05:02] <vthompson> nm, thinking of the trackclicked call
[05:03] <ahayzen> well either trackClicked() isn't being called or the file is invalid
[05:03] <vthompson> Seems valid though
[05:03] <ahayzen> ah
[05:03] <ahayzen> if (i == 0)
[05:03] <ahayzen> if the code i added i may have used the variable i as i lifted code from elsewhere whoops
[05:04] <ahayzen> rookie error :P
[05:04] <vthompson> heh
[05:04] <vthompson> you have your own loop though
[05:05] <ahayzen> vthompson, this *should* work http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6328173/
[05:05] <vthompson> don't know if that i is isolated to just the for loop though
[05:05] <ahayzen> vthompson, it isn't i don't think
[05:05] <vthompson> just changed your for loop to j instead of i?
[05:05] <ahayzen> yep :)
[05:07] <vthompson> heh, still doesn't seem to work
[05:07] <ahayzen> :(
[05:07] <ahayzen> whts happening now?
[05:08] <ahayzen> ah
[05:09] <ahayzen> oh no it wouldn't have even appeared then
[05:13] <ahayzen> vthompson, not sure whts going on there :/ i'll have another look tomoz if u don't figure it out...anyway gotta get to bed only 7hr 45min until i'm in a lecture doing Python :)
[05:14] <vthompson> ahayzen, cool. Thanks and enjoy! I might try a bit more yet tonight as well
[05:14] <vthompson> ahayzen, night!
[05:14] <ahayzen> vthompson, its pretty close now anyway :) cyas
[07:08] <gaara_akash> hello, is it appropriate to ask a unity webapp related question here?
[09:21] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Orthopaedic Nurses Day! :-D
[09:25] <razzo78> hi
[09:26] <razzo78> i'm new in ubuntu cordova developemet. how do I generate a debug message to the console?
[09:52] <aquarius> razzo78, console.log("something")
[11:32] <davidcalle> aquarius, I've spent way too much time on level 24. It's probably time I try to bribe you : how many beers? ;)
[11:36] <aquarius> davidcalle, which one's level 24?
[11:36] <davidcalle> aquarius, El Paso
[11:37] <aquarius> davidcalle, how much of a hint do you want?  Little hint. "Marty".
[11:41] <davidcalle> aquarius, I went down this road already, but at least it reduces the search field. Thanks ;)
[11:41] <aquarius> you asked for a little hint ;)
[12:15] <aquarius> woo, davidcalle finishes Riddling!
[12:15] <aquarius> first to finish :)
[12:28] <AskUbuntu> The CurrencyConverter tutorial does run on desktop with no problem however do not respond on Nexus 7 | http://askubuntu.com/q/368457
[13:39] <aquarius> popey, you are now officially falling behind :)
[13:41] <popey> hah
[14:02] <mhall119> aquarius: time for an expansion pack for Riddling
[14:03] <mhall119> aquarius: also, did you see my comment about the API website having QtQuick docs too?
[14:12] <AskUbuntu> Is QtQuick.Controls available on Ubuntu 13.10 | http://askubuntu.com/q/368507
[14:20] <aquarius> mhall119, Riddling 2 is already being thought about :)
[14:21] <aquarius> mhall119, I did indeed see your comment, and I didn't realise that they were there. I'd love to see those sets of docs integrated: in the same way that http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/QtQuick.AnchorAnimation/ says taht it inherits Animation (with link to http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/QtQuick.Animation/) I'd love to see Label say that it inherits Text
[14:23] <aquarius> I did look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperNetwork but I almost completely do not understand it :0
[14:26] <aquarius> and QtQuick qml stuff itself does not seem to be available in .qml files: there is no Text.qml on my filesystem, like there is for Ubuntu/Components/Label.qml, so I don't know how to look at the qdoc  stuff for QtQuick widgets and work out how they do the linking (and thus propose patches)
[14:31] <ogra_> popey, do you know if there is a click package for the docviewer app anywhere ?
[14:33] <popey> ogra_: sergiusens: submitted them to the store...
[14:33] <popey> he has them automatically building in jenkins.
[14:37] <ogra_> hmm, is it already approved ?
[14:37] <ogra_> i dont see it on my phone
[14:39] <ogra_> my android phone just died ... and it took my pdf ebooks with it ...
[14:39] <mhall119> aquarius: yeah, I'm not sure where qdoc gets it's sources from.  I do know that within a project the components can link to each other (QtQuick.Foo -> QtQuick.Bar), but that's probably because they are generated together, where as separate projects are generated seperately and can not (Ubuntu.Components.Label -> QtQuick.Text) unless there is some way for me to tell qdoc where the QtQuick qdoc data is when it generates the Ubuntu.Components
[14:39] <aquarius> mhall119, yeah. I don't know how to do that at all
[14:39] <mhall119> ogra_: IIRC, there's a package but it's not installed or available because there's no way to use it without the contenthub work being done
[14:39] <aquarius> actual qml people might be able to help?
[14:40] <mhall119> aquarius: yeah, I was going to try and rope Mirv into helping me with that
[14:40] <ogra_> mhall119, ah, damned
[14:41] <mhall119> ogra_: so basically it exists, it works, but the only way to launch it with a file is from the terminal
[14:42] <mhall119> ogra_: I did offer to write a patch for url-dispatcher as a short-term solution, but was told no
[15:42] <Mirv> mhall119: kalikiana or zsombi have possibly battled with qdoc, I have not (besides packaging)
[15:44] <kalikiana> mhall119: Mirv I have. if you provide some context I can try to help.
[15:46] <mhall119> kalikiana: when I generate Ubuntu.Components docs, it doesn't cross-link to QtQuick docs.  The specific example is Ubuntu.Components.Label, which inherits from QtQuick.Text, but the docs make no reference to QtQuick.Text, or properties inherited from it
[15:47] <mhall119> kalikiana: so http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/Ubuntu.Components.Label/ should reference and link to http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/QtQuick.Text/
[15:50] <kalikiana> mhall119: I think we don't use "indexes" I'm not certain but it can be that we didn'T/ don't have them packaged
[15:50] <kalikiana> let me check that, hold on
[15:55] <kalikiana> mhall119: qtdeclarative5-doc-html looks to be what you're after. let me try real quick to add it to the toolkit .qdoc magic
[16:05] <kalikiana> mhall119: success! at least partly. would need more time to check which indexes are needed
[16:05] <kalikiana> is there a bug for it?
[16:05] <kalikiana> then I can make a branch to add the linking properly
[16:06] <mhall119> kalikiana: no bug, no, because I didn't know where a fix would go if it was even possible
[16:06] <kalikiana> in the ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[16:06] <kalikiana> it needs to add the doc packages from qt and specifiy them in qdoc
[16:07] <kalikiana> since it's all generated it must be at build time
[16:46] <kalikiana> mhall119: https://code.launchpad.net/~kalikiana/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/cutedocs/+merge/193280
[18:47] <randomcpp> does anyone here use SeriesGuide on Android?
[19:29] <nik90> randomcpp: I don't but it seems like a cool app
[19:33] <romain__> hello
[19:33] <romain__>  :D
[19:35] <nik90> hello
[20:18] <aquarius> mhall119, ping: the QtQuick SDK docs on dev.u.c are missing embedded images. See for example http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-1.0/QtQuick.PropertyAnimation/#easing.type-prop
[20:18] <aquarius> mhall119, I can file this as a bug, but if you're fiddling with that stuff anyway it might be easier to just tell you :)
[20:20] <randomcpp> nik90, I was thinking to write a similar app for ubuntu touch and ubuntu desktop
[20:21] <randomcpp> it is pretty useful to me since I watch a lot of tv series
[20:21] <randomcpp> and it uses trakt api, which is pretty cool
[20:26] <popey> randomcpp: seen TV Stalker on Ubuntu phone? ☻
[20:26] <randomcpp> popey, nope, link?
[20:27] <popey> randomcpp: it's in the store.. http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2013-10-30-202707.png
[20:27] <mhall119> aquarius: it's on my work items list
[20:27] <popey> dunno where upstream code is
[20:27] <randomcpp> popey, you have to tell me how you do those awesome smile faces :p
[20:27] <aquarius> mhall119, cool; I thought it would be
[20:27] <popey> I have an alias in my irc client ㋛
[20:27] <popey> it's automatic
[20:27] <randomcpp> which client?
[20:28] <randomcpp> popey, so I don't have to code anything, great :)
[20:28] <popey> irssi
[20:30] <aquarius> Smiley face: type Ctrl-Shift-U, let go, type 263b, press space.
[20:31] <aquarius> that's the way to type any generic unicode character on Ubuntu.
[20:31] <randomcpp> ☻
[20:31] <randomcpp> it works
[20:31] <aquarius> It's better if you can use the Compose key, but not all characters are available via Compose. Compose is good for quotation marks, accented letters, etc (see http://kryogenix.org/days/2013/10/17/smart-quotes-for-smart-ubuntu-people ☻)
[20:32] <nik90> ☻
[20:32] <nik90> yay I got it
[20:32] <aquarius> ㋛ is not actually a smiley face at all, it's a katakana symbol, and popey should be beaten for using it :)
[20:34] <popey> haha
[20:35] <popey> i use it for debugging

[20:35] <aquarius> using ㋛ as a smiley face is like a Japanese person using b as a symbol meaning "golf club". ;)
[20:35] <popey> observe my launchpad name, and my twitter name. I insert it to QA for unicode compliance
[20:36]  * popey looks for a UNICODE_PILE_OF_POO for aquarius
[20:36] <aquarius> popey, that is a very good idea, indeed :) http://kryogenix.org/days/2006/11/06/internationalisation is precisely advocating that, since I seem to be quoting from my own site today ;)
[20:36] <aquarius> 💩
[20:37] <popey> i only started doing this after Fedora discovered their bug tracker didn't like their chosen distro name of "Schrödinger's cat"
[20:37] <popey> Laura Cz<tab> was very assertive that no such problem existed in launchpad
[20:37] <popey> I proved her wrong with one unicode character, a smiley ☻
[20:53]  * snwh is away: Away
[21:17]  * snwh is back (gone 00:24:05)
[21:23] <tsimpson> snwh: please don't use those public away/back messages, they are generally considered obnoxious
[21:26] <snwh> tsimpson, I'm aware of that. -_- I didn't realize it was on by default in this IRC client.
[21:26] <tsimpson> well now you do ;)
[21:28] <snwh> yeah that's annoying. back to xchat.
[21:55]  * snwh is away: Away
[21:55] <snwh> son of a.
[21:56] <nik90> snwh: lol


 any one
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/rL7CVGA.jpg stuck like this
[02:20] <LargePrime> can we blame systemd
 @LargePrime [<LargePrime> can we blame systemd], looks like
 thanks for pointing
[14:49] <lcb> Hello. How to completely disable as well bypassing login dialog after disabling menu-System Tools | Users and Groups | Password:  "Not asked on login". [Lubuntu minimal installation (GTK part) 18.04.1 LTS -  4.15.0-38-generic kern  i686]
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Boot_Install_Login#For_release_12.04_and_on_.28LightDM.29
 @lcb ^
[15:08] <lcb> Thanks but it's not applicable anymore. There is no '/etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf'
[15:10] <lcb> Even other config files in in does not produce any effect on it.
[15:10] <lcb> in in = in there
 there should be something similar somewhere, unfortunately I'm not in 18.04 now
[15:11] <lcb> It's ok lubot. Thank you :)
 sorry! It says: "You will need to create an /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf with these contents: (do this as root) "
 yo need to create teh file.
[15:12] <lcb> oh.. that's another approach. I'll do it latter and I'll get back to you. Thanks
[15:12] <lcb> There are so many suggestions on it on the net but none results anymore.
 that worked for me in 16.04
 adn 17.10
[15:14] <lcb> I see. It seems lightdm is not managing logins anymore, on that matter. Some says GDM3 but there is no GDM3 on it even.
[16:05] <LargePrime> lubot, really?
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://i.imgur.com/xbwngeU.jpg Has anyone ever received this error in the installation of Lubuntu 18.10?
 that error sounds like it had an issue making partition tables on your disk, did you check your disk's SMART stats?
 I usually see that when a disk is dying or theres hardware or firmware problems.
 Thank you. I was able to proceed with the installation. ))
[23:55] <lcb> Hi. Does anyone know how to eradicate the login dialog after enabling "auto login" in menu-System Tools | Users and Groups | Password:  'Not asked on login'. Previous ways don't work anymore. [Lubuntu minimal installation (GTK part) 18.04.1 LTS -  4.15.0-38-generic kern  i686]
[23:56] <wxl> define minimal install
[23:56] <lcb> oop
[23:56] <lcb> Hi. Does anyone know how to eradicate the login dialog after enabling "auto login" in menu-System Tools | Users and Groups | Password:  "Not asked on login". Previous ways don't work anymore. [Lubuntu minimal installation (GTK part) 18.04.1 LTS -  4.15.0-38-generic kern  i686]
[23:56] <wxl> um
[23:56] <wxl> define minimal install
[23:57] <lcb> is that relevant, wxl?
[23:57] <lcb> if you know for instance the definition of tasksel you'll find out it.
[23:58] <wxl> yes it's relevant
[23:58] <wxl> so you used the mini.iso and installed lubuntu-core?
[23:59] <lcb> yes i did


[17:28] <mrkz> hello, Is there a [full] documentation of  all the cloud-init configuration options (/etc/cloud/cloud.cfg)?
[17:28] <mrkz> looking atm http://cloudinit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/index.html but looks incomplete to me
[18:42] <harmw> just out of python curiosity, how current is Flask for writing a simple REST service?
[20:53] <robjo> Trying to mimic a config drive outside of OpenStack using qemu but am not having much luck, could use some help
[20:54] <robjo> I have the config in ISO format and am attaching the iso file to the VM with the -cdrom option for qemu
[20:55] <robjo> The device shows up as /dev/sr0 and thus I figured it should just work, but it does not appear to be picked up, any ideas?
[21:24] <mrkz> robjo: maybe try #qemu ?
[21:25] <robjo> mrkz: I am trying qemu
[21:25] <robjo> qemu-kvm -netdev tap,helper=/usr/lib/qemu-bridge-helper,id=hn0 -device rtl8139,netdev=hn0,mac=00:16:3e:7e:18:36 -m 2048  -cdrom /work/tmp/configDrive/configdrive.iso openSUSE-13.1-OS-guest.x86_64-0.0.6.raw
[21:26] <robjo> Inside the vm the ISO shows up as /dev/sr0, that based on my understanding of the code should be all there is to it
[21:26] <mrkz> I mean #qemu channel, this one looks a bit inactive :/
[21:26] <robjo> oh, sorry
[21:28] <mrkz> robjo: I just joined and ask, but no answer so far
[21:29] <robjo> it's more of a cloud-init than a qemu thing
[21:32] <mrkz> robjo: so, if you're trying to mimic an openstack instance boot, shouldn't you look into nova instead of cloud-init?
[21:33] <robjo> cloud-init initializes the VM and I want to test some changes to cloud init without having to set up OpenSTack
[21:36] <mrkz> I'm kinda new to this, but afaik nova boot up the VM and then cloud-init runs @ boot time inside the VM and then performs all you setup in config file
[21:36] <mrkz> dunno if I'm right tho
[21:37] <robjo> mrkz: Yes that's how it works
[21:38] <mrkz> robjo: so I quite don't understand your issue
[21:39] <mrkz> also, what I do to test is rm /var/lib/cloud and then re-run cloud-init init inside VM
[21:39] <robjo> When cloud-init runs it gets data from a so called data source, this can be a meta data server or can also be a so called ConfigDrive
[21:40] <robjo> ConfigDrive is one of the options offered with OpenSTack and is used for example when the environment cannot have a DHCP server
[21:40] <robjo> when using ConfigDrive cloud-init can write the network configuartion file and then bring upi the network
[21:41] <robjo> But this implies that the config drive is properly recognized by cloud-init
[21:42] <robjo> Theoretically having the config drive info in an ISO file that is attached to the VM and shows up a /dev/sr0 should be sufficient, however in my case cloud-init does not appear to find the config drive
[21:42] <robjo> thus I cannot test the writing of the network configuration file
[21:48] <dbuechler> Robjo: Unfortunately, I don't know anything about ConfigDrive, other than cloud-init seems to have a datasource for it.  What version of cloud-init are you running?
[21:48] <robjo> 0.7.6
[21:49] <dbuechler> What OS is the VM?
[21:51] <robjo> dbuechler. it really doesn't matter, but it is openSUSE 13.1
[21:51] <robjo> anyway I had another ISO and that one works as config drive :)
[21:51] <robjo> Looks like the second ISO I generated is not quite what cloud-init expected
[21:51] <robjo> I am all set
[21:52] <mrkz> robjo: have you looked @ /var/log/cloud-init.log in both VM instances?
[21:55] <dbuechler> Cool.
[21:56] <dbuechler> robjo: Glad to hear that you got it figured out.
[21:57] <dbuechler> I've got a problem of my own... cloud-init 0.7.7, built as an rpm for CentOS 7 using 'make rpm' runs on boot but bombs with:
[21:58] <dbuechler> cloud-init[1260]: import cloudinit.util as util
[21:58] <dbuechler> cloud-init[1260]: File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/cloudinit/util.py", line 49, in <module>
[21:58] <dbuechler> cloud-init[1260]: from six.moves.urllib import parse as urlparse
[21:58] <dbuechler> cloud-init[1260]: ImportError: No module named urllib
[21:59] <dbuechler> I have python-urllib3 1.5 installed, so I'm at a loss to explain it.
[21:59] <robjo> Couple of sources for the trouble would be that the dependencies in the rpm are not correct and when installing cloud init python-six is not pulled in
[22:00] <robjo> but six.moves.urllib is imported, not urllib
[22:00] <mrkz> dbuechler: but does $ python -c "import urllib; print urllib" work?
[22:01] <dbuechler> Good question!  Wait 1.
[22:01] <mrkz> no, as robjo said before, try this instead
[22:01] <mrkz> $ python -c "from six.moves.urllib import parse as urlparse; print urlparse"
[22:02] <dbuechler> Ok.  One sec and I'll find out.
[22:03] <dbuechler> Returns No module named urllib
[22:04] <dbuechler> I have python-six 1.3.0 installed.
[22:04] <dbuechler> ...from rpm - probably EPEL.
[22:05] <mrkz> so, I might be wrong, but looks like your six package lacks that
[22:06] <dbuechler> Errr, looks like a stock CentOS package.
[22:07] <dbuechler> Hrm.  Ok.  I'll check and see if EPEL has a six package.
[22:07] <robjo> I would concur, python-six-1.3.0 is most likely too old
[22:08] <robjo> I have 1.8.0 on my system and things work
[22:09] <dbuechler> Ok.  I'll take a look around and report back.  I appreciate the input.
[22:47] <dbuechler> Reporting back on my urllib issue - updating six in my CentOS 7 image with "pip install --upgrade six" DID solve the problem.  python-six that ships with CentOS 7 is too old.