[00:40] <micahg> bac: the PPA builders seem to have an issue picking up builds
[00:53] <spm> micahg: they look happy to me atm? what leads you to believe things aren't well?
[00:54] <micahg> spm: ah, so they do, almost all the PPA builders were idle
[00:54] <spm> ahh *that* one. right. lovely.
[00:54] <micahg> spm: I saw some notes in from lp-dev list that says that might go away soon
[00:55] <spm> I'd believe it. I know jules gets even more irritated by these then we all do :-)
[01:15] <Sia-> hi
[01:15] <Sia-> any one from roseta her?
[01:16] <Sia-> i need to upload .po but does n't accepted :(
[04:04] <russ> hello, is there any way to get help with a login problem for a paid canonical support contract?
[04:05] <lifeless> I'm sure there is
[04:05] <lifeless> lets see
[04:06] <lifeless> I've just pinged our support department , should get someone to pop in here and give you a hand soon
[04:06] <lifeless> have you tried ringing the helpdesk?
[04:07] <russ> It appears they won't return my call.
[04:07] <lifeless> thats most unusual
[04:08] <russ> One would think they might make an exception about the "core support hours" BS for a new user who can't even access the online system
[04:09] <lifeless> please tell me what has been happening
[04:10] <russ> ok here is the situation
[04:10] <russ> I bought a ubuntu desktop support contract 2 days ago
[04:11] <russ> I received a "Welcome to Canonical Global Support Services" email immediately
[04:11] <russ> it made reference to an "invitation email" that I did not receive
[04:12] <russ> (at this point, I should mention I formerly had a support contract that expired last year)
[04:12] <russ> I sent a note back to the person named in the welcome message and she gave me alternate instructions
[04:13] <russ> but ... when I go to landscape.canonical.com I am redirected to landscape.canonical.com/complete-new-user and after entering my information, I get a response "Person with that email already exists."
[04:13] <russ> that sums it up
[04:13] <lifeless> and with the phone call thing, whats happening there?
[04:14] <russ> I get a message that says they are too busy to come to the phone, and to save me long distance charges (calling their toll-free number), please leave a message.
[04:15] <russ> And then pointing out that if my support contract is not a 24/7 account and it's after hours, they will not call back
[04:15] <russ> so far, that's the truth - I called about 3 hours ago
[04:16] <lifeless> ok
[04:16] <russ> The person I corresponded with is Nelia de Carvalho
[04:17] <lifeless> please bear with me a couple of minutes
[04:17] <lifeless> its rather late in Montreal
[04:17] <russ> aha
[04:17] <russ> it'sa global operation and I never know where any of these people are
[04:17] <russ> but it's also rather early in England
[04:18] <lifeless> as far as I know, support are still all in Montreal, using on-call and rotations to cover customers around the world
[04:18] <russ> do you work for Canonical?
[04:19] <lifeless> yes
[04:19] <russ> nice to be able to get you "live" then - where are you?
[04:20] <lifeless> me, I live in New Zeaand
[04:20] <russ> excellent
[04:21] <russ> I guess a phone call is out of the question then :-)
[04:22] <lifeless> well, I don't know anything about the mechanics of the system you're having trouble logging into
[04:22] <russ> by any chance is there an irc channel that connects with the support staff?
[04:22] <lifeless> so I'm currently looking through our internal wiki to see if I can find someone a) awake, and b) knowledgable that can help you
[04:23] <russ> excellent, guess we need both a and b
[04:24] <lifeless> what tz are you in ?
[04:25] <russ> interesting question. The true fact is that I am in California.
[04:25] <russ> but I'd rather be in New Zealand (at least for my support hours!)
[04:28] <lifeless> so, if I can't find someone soon, I will have run out of reasonable options : AIUI desktop contracts are not 24x7 contracts, so it would be unreasonable for me to ring the on-call person directly; I want to help you get logged in, but - as above I can't directly help with that.
[04:31] <russ> thank you for trying
[04:31] <russ> now to the point of what is reasonable:
[04:32] <russ> I think it would be reasonable for the on-call person to help with this problem since I have not been able to gain access to any part of the service I purchased and presumably the clock is ticking
[04:33] <russ> second, with my previous contract, I had Canonical's explicit agreement that I could make my 8 core support hours start at 5 pm and run to 1 am
[04:33] <lifeless> have you mentioned that in the message you left on the support voice mail ?
[04:34] <lifeless> I would imagine it to have carried over on your account in fact; and we don't know why they have not called you back.
[04:35] <russ> no i did not, but on the other hand I am still trying to get that point straightened out
[04:35] <lifeless> If I can make a suggestion.
[04:35] <russ> certainly - ?
[04:35] <lifeless> Leave another message, and include that detail - that you're a returning customer with an agreed variation on 'standard hours'.
[04:36] <lifeless> There may be someone around in an hour or so who can shed some light on why you didn't get that meail
[04:36] <russ> That's a good idea. I will do that.
[04:36] <russ> Have you heard of such a deviation before?
[04:37] <lifeless> we're making a guess about why you haven't heard back from them, and the guess could be wrong - but its worth addressing that point in case the guess is right.
[04:37] <russ> I agree.
[04:37] <lifeless> on when the standard hours are? No, but that doesn't mean anything, as I'm not in the support department - I don't hear *anything* :)
[04:38] <mwhudson> i /think/ it's part of the deal to get to decide when your own core hours are -- imagine a customer based in nz! -- but i'm not in the support group either...
[04:39]  * thumper agrees with y'all
[04:40] <ajmitch> though it's not like there are actually people in NZ, right?
[04:40] <lifeless> nobody here but us chickens
[04:42] <russ> lifeless I just left a message on the support line as you suggested. We shall see.
[04:43] <mwhudson> ajmitch: one hear's rumours
[04:43] <mwhudson> man
[04:43] <mwhudson> how did that apostrophe get there
[04:43] <lifeless> russ: I'm popping out to my local supermarket, but I'll be back before long and am keen to know if you get a callback.
[04:43] <thumper> mwhudson: muscle memory
[04:44] <russ> ok thanks for your help and I will be sure to post a message if I get a call
[04:45] <russ> apostrophes turn up in the weirdest places
[04:54] <sensae> Hello. I'm trying to move a project from github to launchpad. It's fully imported. Is there any way I can create series milestones and assign them to old releases?
[04:56] <thumper> sensae: probably not automagically
[04:56] <sensae> thumper: I only have about 4 point releases, I'm trying to do it by hand but I'm still figuring out launchpad.
[04:57] <thumper> sensae: release management isn't something I have a lot of experience with
[04:57] <thumper> sensae: releases and milestones are connected to series
[04:57] <thumper> sensae: the project will have a 'trunk' series initially
[04:57] <thumper> sensae: do you want your releases of 'trunk' or something else?
[04:58] <thumper> sensae: 'trunk' is the development focus
[04:58] <sensae> thumper: I've already pushed two branches, trunk and unstable, and created two series, trunk for stable releases and unstable for development
[04:59] <thumper> sensae: ok, is unstable set as the development focus?
[04:59] <thumper> sensae: which project?
[04:59] <sensae> thumper: yes, https://launchpad.net/munchlife
[05:00] <thumper> sensae: if you go to  https://launchpad.net/munchlife/stable
[05:01] <thumper> sensae: scroll down slightly, there is create milestone and create release
[05:03] <sensae> thumper: Are milestones tied to a specific revision when you 'release' them, or is it just a loose target to assign bugs and blueprints to?
[05:04] <thumper> relatively loose right now
[05:06] <sensae> thumper: Ah. Thanks for the help. Launchpad seems rather.. unique in the series/milestone approach.
[05:07] <thumper> :)
[05:09] <michaelh1> Afternoon.  How can I get all of the bug_tasks, open or closed, on a project using launchpadlib?
[05:10] <michaelh1> project.searchTasks() is OK, but what should I supply for the status parameter to get all bugs ever?
[05:10] <wgrant> michaelh1: use the 'searchTasks' method, and give the list of all statuses.
[05:11] <wgrant> michaelh1: Also note that duplicate bugs are omitted by default; you'll need to say omit_duplicates=False
[05:12] <michaelh1> What should I use for the list of all statuses?  I currently have 'all = "New, Incomplete (with response), Incomplete (without response), Incomplete, Opinion, Invalid, Won't Fix, Expired, Confirmed, Triaged, In Progress, Fix Committed, Fix Released".split(', ')
[05:12] <michaelh1> ...but that's fragile
[05:13] <wgrant> I'm not sure there's a better way at the moment.
[05:13] <wgrant> There should probably be a bug for that./
[05:20] <michaelh1> LP 613713
[05:20] <michaelh1> Ta.
[05:21] <michaelh1> Is there a way of forcing launchpadlib to use HTTP?  I'm doing a lot of queries and running into LP 522957
[05:21] <michaelh1> HTTP might establish quicker than HTTPS...
[05:21] <wgrant> Launchpad will just redirect you to HTTPS if you try that.
[05:22] <michaelh1> Ah :)  I thought it might
[05:25] <sensae> How can I compare two branches to see where the commits differ?
[05:25] <thumper> sensae: bzr help missing
[05:27] <sensae> thumper: thanks
[05:35] <sensae> This is odd. I've created three milestones, but on this page https://launchpad.net/munchlife/stable it lists 1.0 three times. When I click "View milestones" it shows the three different milestones properly
[05:45] <sensae> Is this a bug?
[05:45] <wgrant> It is indeed a bug.
[05:45] <wgrant> It looks fine for me, so it's probably a caching issue specific to your user.
[05:45] <sensae> Ah alright, I just won't worry about it.
[05:51] <wgrant> sensae: If you refresh the page, do you now see 6 of the 1.0 milestone?
[05:54] <sensae> wgrant: Yup.
[05:56] <sensae> wgrant: Logging out it displayed properly. Logging back in it's the same.
[05:57] <wgrant> sensae: Yeah, it should magically be fine again in about 40 minutes.
[05:57] <wgrant> When the cache expires.
[05:57] <wgrant> I am trying to track down the bug now.
[05:57] <sensae> wgrant: lol alright.
[05:58] <sensae> Launchpad takes some getting used to, but I kind of like the looser 'milestone/series' paradigm vs working in github.
[05:59] <lifeless> what does github require ?
[06:00] <wgrant> sensae: Can you upload a screenshot somewhere?
[06:01] <sensae> lifeless: You can't really make arbitrary milestones and releases, they're just tied to tags.
[06:01] <sensae> wgrant: sure
[06:04] <sensae> wgrant: http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/7619/screenshotseriesstablem.png
[06:04] <wgrant> sensae: Thanks.
[06:04] <sensae> wgrant: np
[06:12] <MTecknology> Is there a limit to how much you can pull/push branches?
[06:17] <lifeless> yes
[06:17] <lifeless> your bandwidth
[06:18] <lifeless> we cannae break the laws of physics
[06:46] <russ> lifeless just wanted to let you know I did not get a call back from the Canonical support team.  It's been more than two hours now.
[06:47] <lifeless> russ: thanks, I've just sent an email off to the support team lead, so they will know about it when they get up
[06:57] <russ> lifeless thanks. I may have to take a day off of work because of this unreasonable support hours position taken by Canonical.
[06:59] <lifeless> russ: we don't know the cause - It may be as simple as having a problem with your phone number.
[07:00] <lifeless> russ: neverthess, I sure hope they make contact with you soon
[07:57] <StarQuake> hello, just wanted to let you know the staging server isn't working since yesterday evening
[08:07] <spm> StarQuake: ta; it's had some pretty major updates lately; and is currently doing a staging-restore. with any luck it should live again in the 15-45 minutes.
[08:07] <spm> in the *next* 15-45...
[08:08] <StarQuake> spm, okay thanks!!
[09:25] <Sia-> hello no body is her
[09:25] <Sia-> i'm waiting 3 dayes for approval our .po file
[09:26] <Sia-> if you r so ... to answer the people why you host the translation groups
[09:27] <Sia-> helooooo
[09:29] <henninge> Easy, Sia-
[09:29] <henninge> insulting people you don't know won't get you anywhere in live
[09:29] <henninge> and insulting people you *do* know is even worse ...
[09:29] <Sia-> henninge, srry, but i have the same theater with your import system every new version from wordpress
[09:30] <henninge> Sia-: Then something needs to be fixed about them because approval should not be needed every time again.
[09:30] <Sia-> no
[09:30] <Sia-> because the po is not created by launchpad
[09:31] <Sia-> is created by http://translate.wordpress.org
[09:31] <henninge> Sia-: Which are the imports you are talking about?
[09:31] <Sia-> wordpress
[09:31] <henninge> Sia-: can you copy the URL to make sure wer are looking at the same thing?
[09:31] <Sia-> http://translate.wordpress.org/projects/wp/3.0.x/ckb/default
[09:32] <Sia-> the .po file is downloaded and i'll upload it her https://translations.launchpad.net/wordpress/3.0/+pots/wordpress/ckb/+upload
[09:33] <henninge> Sia-: I'll look at it in a minute
[09:33] <Sia-> ok i upload it now agian
[09:33] <Sia-> again*
[09:36] <Sia-> henninge, https://translations.launchpad.net/wordpress/3.0/+imports
[09:36] <henninge> Sia-: wait till I have looked at it. I am in a phone call atm.
[09:36] <Sia-> ok thnx
[10:14] <Sia-> henninge, as i said i receive again iport problem with the same story
[10:19] <hrw> hi
[10:20] <hrw> Blueprint page can have bugs linked and I make a use of it. But there is no sign of bug status there so I have to check all >20 bugs one by one or remember their status. Does it have a sense to report wishlist bug for it?
[10:23] <henninge> Sia-: Sorry, call was longer than expected. Looking now.
[10:25] <Sia-> henninge, thnx but how can i now is imported because i receive import error
[10:26] <Sia-> now ==know
[10:29] <henninge> Sia-: you said you downloaded this file from Launchpad, then worked on it, now you want to upload it again, right?
[10:30] <Sia-> downloaded from translate.wordpress.org
[10:30] <henninge> Ah
[10:31] <henninge> Sia-: The current error "File was not exported from Launchpad." is because you did not choose "Imported translation" when you uploaded the file.
[10:31] <Sia-> ok should try again?
[10:31] <henninge> Yes, please.
[10:32] <Sia-> henninge, done
[10:34] <henninge> jtv: shouldn't the gardner approve an import like this? https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/wordpress/3.0/+imports
[10:34] <henninge> jtv: or does it trip on the file name?
[10:34] <jtv> henninge: the gardener's having a problem at the moment.
[10:35] <henninge> jtv: but should it approve it normally?
[10:35] <jtv> henninge: it's one of those cases where setting the potemplate or a pofile for an entry makes it clash with an older entry that already has the potemplate or pofile set (and to the same value).
[10:35] <jtv> henninge: that one is auto-approved only if the upload's path matches the existing POFile path (which we can't edit anywhere in the UI).
[10:35] <henninge> jtv: is it? There aren't any other files in the queue.
[10:36] <jtv> Oh, or if it's uploaded to the right POFile.
[10:36] <henninge> jtv: it is AFAICT
[10:37] <jtv> henninge: actually, uploading to the right POFile should set the template/language but probably not the state.
[10:37] <henninge> jtv: yes, that's all that happens at upload time. But as we have that information, shouldn't it be happily approved automatically?
[10:38] <henninge> by the gardener?
[10:38] <jtv> henninge: only if the pofile matches
[10:38] <jtv> wow, frightening storm starting here
[10:38] <jtv> I may lose power/connectivity
[10:38] <henninge> "pofile path"
[10:38] <jtv> Dark as Mordor
[10:38] <henninge> ooooo
[10:39] <henninge> jtv: you mean "if the pofile *path* matches" ?
[10:40] <henninge> Sia-: I can approve the uplaod easily, I am just trying to figure out why it is not happening automatically.
[10:40] <Sia-> ok thnx
[10:42] <jtv> henninge: yes, in this case, the upload's path must match exactly that which is stored in the POFile I think.
[10:43] <henninge> jtv: yes, that would explain it. I'll find out what that file name is.
[10:49] <jtv> henninge: bit busy tying stuff down… some furniture tried to go over the edge here.  If I hurry I can probably still recover some stuff that fell off.
[10:50] <jtv> It's in the street—on the wrong side of the building.  Wet walk.  :(
[10:50] <henninge> Good luck, jtv!
[10:50] <Sia-> ok approved?
[10:55] <jtv> henninge: back, and back to looking at the buildfarm issue :)
[10:56] <henninge> Sia-: yes, approved ;)
[10:56] <Sia-> thnx alot
[11:00] <Sia-> i see in the list 1 item need review from me, but can't click it or is no more this option need review in the dropdown list
[11:03] <henninge> Sia-: What do you mean? It says "Approved" for me.
[11:47] <LucidFox> How long does it usually take for new Launchpad mailing lists to get into service?
[11:47] <LucidFox> I created one and it got approved, but its archive page displays an empty Apache index
[11:48] <maxb> LucidFox: when the first email happens
[11:50] <LucidFox> Ah, makes sense
[11:51] <LucidFox> Right, it happened!
[11:55] <esteve> mrevell: hi, you there?
[11:55] <mrevell> Hi esteve
[11:57] <esteve> mrevell: we agreed to move to launchpad, but the trac transition scares the shit out of us :-)
[11:57] <esteve> mrevell: I found this https://edge.launchpad.net/trac-launchpad-migrator, is it in any way "official" or supported by canonical?
[11:59] <mrevell> esteve, Hey, it's great to hear you're moving over :) The migrator is sort of official. It's developed and maintained by Graham, one of the Launchpad bugs team. (He's on vacation this week, otherwise I'd ping him now.)
[11:59] <mrevell> esteve, I'm certain we can help you with a smooth transition, though.
[12:01] <esteve> mrevell: great, thanks!
[12:02] <esteve> mrevell: once I have the xml file, do I just send it to you? The project is proprietary, so I'm afraid we can't post it as a question against malone
[12:04] <mrevell> hey deryck, could esteve do what he describes above ^^^^? He's thinking of using Graham's trac migrator.
[12:05] <deryck> mrevell, I don't see anything described above, except just "do I just send it to you."  Just logged in.
[12:05] <deryck> hi esteve
[12:05] <mrevell> deryck, Yeah, that's pretty much it. Basically, can esteve send us the xml file directly and have us import it?
[12:06] <esteve> deryck: hi!
[12:06] <deryck> mrevell, ah, ok.  Yes, definitely.
[12:07] <deryck> esteve, mrevell -- CC me please, and I'll have someone take a look at it.
[12:07] <esteve> awesome :-)
[12:07] <Sia-> henninge, you see her https://translations.launchpad.net/wordpress/3.0 for example is 3 item under Needs Review by Kurdish Sorani, how can i approve them?
[12:09] <henninge> Sia-: start here, let me look. https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/wordpress/3.0/+pots/wordpress
[12:10] <LucidFox> Is it possible to enable non-team-members to send emails to a Launchpad mailing list?
[12:10] <henninge> Sia-: you can click on the "3" and it will show you the strings.
[12:10] <Sia-> oh yes, thnx you r the best
[12:11] <LucidFox> I tried sending one from a different email account, and apparently Launchpad silently ate it
[12:12] <Sia-> henninge, but i can't approve it :( or edit it
[12:12] <henninge> D
[12:12] <henninge> Sia-: Can you usually do that?
[12:12] <Sia-> yes because i'm a team leader and creator
[12:13] <henninge> I just saw. Hm.
[12:13] <henninge> Sia-: what are sou seeing?
[12:14] <LucidFox> Okay, let me phrase it differently
[12:14] <LucidFox> is it possible to enable emails from non-Launchpad-users?
[12:15] <LucidFox> to mailing lists
[12:16] <henninge> LucidFox: I think not. sinzui?
[12:16] <LucidFox> Blimey!
[12:16] <mrevell> thanks deryck
[12:16] <LucidFox> See, the thing is
[12:17] <Sia-> brb henninge 10 min srry
[12:19] <deryck> mrevell, np
[12:19] <LucidFox> I want to set the mailing list as the administrative contact for a wordpress.com blog, but it requires a confirmation email - which the list eats because<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is not a Launchpad user.
[12:26] <mrevell> LucidFox, That's an interesting one. I've just been trying to think through different ways in which you could solve that but I can't think of anything that would. bac do you have any ideas to help LucidFox? ^^^^^^
[12:26] <LucidFox> Well
[12:26] <jetienne> my ppa package will start to build 'in 50min' for the last 2h :) im not sure i get the highest priority somehow :)
[12:27] <LucidFox> Actually never mind
[12:27] <LucidFox> even if I get WordPress to approve it, it will still eat emails from people sending it through the WordPress link
[12:28] <bigjools> jetienne: the estimates are not that accurate, it's very hard to get it right.  Also, as you guessed, some people can jump the queue.
[12:31] <Sia--> srry henninge i was disconnected.
[12:34] <Sia--> i found it and thnx again for everything
[12:35] <henninge> Sia--: You are welcome!
[12:36]  * henninge goes to lunch
[17:12] <ricotz> hello, is there currently a problem with importing translations from branches?
[17:14] <ricotz> the import seems not to work - https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/docky/+imports
[17:26] <Quintasan> jelmer: hi there, any progress on Bug #579491? Can I somehow help you?
[17:27] <jelmer> Quintasan, hi
[17:28] <jelmer> Quintasan: That bug has been fixed, but the fix hasn't been rolled out yet (it will be with the next release of launchpad)
[17:28] <Quintasan> and when would that be?
[17:29] <jelmer> the dates should be on the launchpad blog
[17:32] <Quintasan> urgh
[17:33] <jelmer> Quintasan: alternatively, you can run bzr-svn locally
[17:35] <Quintasan> jelmer: well, we need to test our recipes on launchpad
[17:35] <Quintasan> locally it goes well
[17:48] <shadeslayer> jelmer: btw who can i talk to about a bug in recipes? the {debupstream} variable doesnt seem to pick up epoch's from changelogs
[18:08] <jelmer> shadeslayer: James Westby (james_w), or at least he should be able to tell you who to talk to instead.
[18:08] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:08] <shadeslayer> james_w: hi there
[18:08] <jelmer> shadeslayer: Although I think that's actually correct behaviour, the epoch is not part of the upstream version.
[18:08] <shadeslayer> jelmer: err.. really?
[18:09] <jelmer> shadeslayer: yes, the epoch is just there as a convenience for when the package maintainer screws up.
[18:09] <shadeslayer> see the problem becomes with upgrades, without the epoch the build is of no use :P
[18:09] <jelmer> shadeslayer: how do you mean?
[18:09] <jelmer> shadeslayer: Can you give an example?
[18:10] <shadeslayer> so basically apt-get says : 1:foo is greater than just foo.. why would i want to install foo when i have 1:foo
[18:10] <shadeslayer> more practical example coming up.. :D
[18:10] <shadeslayer> jelmer: https://edge.launchpad.net/~team-iquik/+archive/tools
[18:10] <jelmer> shadeslayer: right, but you could include that 1: manually.
[18:10] <shadeslayer> see under lm-sensors
[18:10] <jelmer> shadeslayer: it's not really something that you'd want to be included automatically.
[18:10] <shadeslayer> jelmer: yeah i added to the recipe for now :)
[18:11] <shadeslayer> also see ~ppa1 should come after ~lucid1
[18:11] <shadeslayer> but for some insane reason it isnt :(
[18:11] <jelmer> shadeslayer: That's the correct way of doing it imho. I don't think we should be updating the epoch automatically.
[18:11] <james_w> I think that maybe we should
[18:12] <jelmer> hi James
[18:12] <james_w> I don't see a use case for wanting a lower epoch
[18:12] <shadeslayer> i agree.. but when the packager specifies that he needs {debupstream} he means he wants the epoch
 also see ~ppa1 should come after ~lucid1 but for some insane reason it isnt :(
[18:13] <maxb> uh, p is greater than l, you cannot reorder the alphabet :-)
[18:14] <shadeslayer> maxb: err.. when i upload to my ppa, its always : ~distro1~ppa1
[18:14] <jelmer> james_w: it can also mean a higher epoch
[18:14] <shadeslayer> i wonder what happens after 2 years ;)
[18:14] <maxb> oh, right. I thought you were dealing with version comparison
[18:14] <james_w> jelmer: that's true
[18:15] <shadeslayer> maxb: no.. its just that my package versioning is screwed up :(
[18:15] <james_w> I think it's low impact anyway
[18:15] <james_w> epochs are relatively rare, and changing them is even rarer
[18:15] <james_w> shadeslayer: please file a bug on bzr-builder
[18:15] <shadeslayer> james_w: alrighty :)
[18:15] <james_w> we can track the issue and see if more cases come up
[18:16] <shadeslayer> james_w: see imo only sensible people will bump epoch... but then you can never say anything about the other 1 % of people who will bump epoch for no reason at all :P
[18:17] <maxb> If the design purpose of {debupstream} is to allow people to derive a debian version based on what's in the tree, but with a modified revision, would that not only make sense to include the epoch?
[18:17] <jelmer> maxb: Hmm, that's a good point.
[18:17] <shadeslayer> maxb: my point exactly
[18:17] <maxb> And if that's not the design purpose of it, what is :-)
[18:18] <shadeslayer> btw LP is really slooow today :P
[18:18] <jelmer> I guess my main issue with it is that I don't think of the debian upstream version as including the epoch, but then again I don't have better naming suggestions.
[18:18] <jelmer> Also, I seem to be complaining about naming a lot today for some reason.
[18:20] <maxb> I'm in agreement - the upstream version doesn't include the epoch - but this thing we want here in bzr-builder (version-minus-revision) doesn't have a nice name
[18:23] <maxb> shadeslayer: Now that I understand what you meant about the ~ppa1 / ~lucid1 ordering, I think that bzr-builder / LP is doing the right thing, it's just different from the methodology you were using
[18:23] <shadeslayer> maxb: hmm.. well ok
[18:26] <shadeslayer> oh man
[18:26] <shadeslayer> james_w: lp still says  : Please wait while bug data is processed. This page will refresh every 10 seconds until processing is complete.
[18:26] <shadeslayer> for the past 15 mins :P
[18:27] <james_w> shadeslayer: you used ubuntu-bug bzr-builder?
[18:27] <shadeslayer> yes
[18:27] <shadeslayer> i shouldnt have?
[18:27] <james_w> that's fine, just making sure
[18:28] <james_w> if you got that message from some other mechanism then something is very wrong :-)
[18:28] <shadeslayer> hehe :P
[18:28] <james_w> I don't know what could be causing that, except for whaetever processes them being stuck?
[18:28] <shadeslayer> possibly
[18:29] <james_w> I'm going to guess it's process-apport-blobs.py that does that
[18:29] <james_w> losa ping: is there anything obviously wrong with process-apport-blobs?
[18:31] <Chex> james_w: let me look
[18:31] <shadeslayer> james_w: ok i just refreshed the page and it works now 0_o
[18:31] <james_w> shadeslayer: ok, great
[18:31] <james_w> Chex: thanks. seems to be working now ^, but maybe there was a backlog.
[18:33] <Chex> james_w: hmm, ok, no worries then
[18:39] <shadeslayer> bug 613942
[19:49] <cody-somerville> I frequently get incomplete reads from launchpad when using API. Is this a known issue and is it launchpad's fault or just unavoidable network glitch?
[19:52] <james_w> cody-somerville: as in httplib2 errors about "incomplete reads"?
[19:53] <cody-somerville> httplib.IncompleteRead, yup
[19:55] <james_w> cody-somerville: I see plenty too. I'm not sure what the cause is, but a perfect connection shouldn't be expected
[19:55] <james_w> I think Launchpad causes more than its fair share of this sort of error.
[20:01] <mgariepy> hello, simple question, is it possible to get the debdiff of an old package of my ppa ?
[20:02] <james_w> mgariepy: not if that package has been deleted for a while, no
[20:03] <mgariepy> i pushed a newer version of the package, i can still fin the url for the binary packages but not the source
[20:45] <daveisadork> hey i just set up daily builds with a recipe and in the uploaded by column it says "no signer"
[20:45] <daveisadork> is that the expected behavior or am i doing it wrong?
[20:48] <daveisadork> woops, nevermind... just found #581920
[21:33] <liori> hello, staging.launchpad.net is down?
[22:11] <thumper> liori: probably
[22:11] <thumper> losa: is staging down?
[22:13] <mbarnett> thumper: yes, staging is not happy at the moment.


[14:10] <Guest22775> hi. i need some help with btrfs
[14:11] <Guest22775> 16.04 do not support to mount an sd-card formated in btrfs under xbian. i get an error, something like missing option 10 ... any idea?
[14:16] <Guest22775> someone here?
[15:09] <apw> Guest22775, i think we'd need to see more of the message than that, probabally there is information in dmesg when it fails
[15:10] <apw> Guest22775, i'd recommend filing a bug "ubuntu-bug linux" and adding the details
[15:11] <Guest22775> btrfs "features 10" is missing
[15:12] <Guest22775> sorry, not option ...


[00:00] <electrofreak> ne7work: I believe 'apt-get install linux-source' will figure out what version you need.
[00:07] <ne7work> i need kernel-source
[00:07] <ne7work> nvidia installer says me this..
[00:07] <ne7work> i install linux-source
[00:07] <ne7work> how to install kernel-source?
[00:07] <electrofreak> ne7work: I believe 'apt-get install linux-source' will figure out what version you have right now
[00:08] <malchias> does uname -r help?
[00:08] <ne7work> electrofreak, how to see?
[00:08] <ne7work> with upgrade?
[00:09] <ne7work> one moment
[00:09] <ne7work> ..
[00:09] <ne7work> electrofreak, this is for linux-source 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[00:10] <electrofreak> ne7work: what is the output of 'uname -r'?
[00:10] <ne7work> electrofreak, 2.6.28-19-server
[00:11] <electrofreak> try apt-get install linux-server-2.6.28-19-server
[00:11] <malchias> you can use `uname -r` in cases like that too
[00:11] <ne7work> E: Couldn't find package linux-server-2.6.28-19-server
[00:11] <electrofreak> try apt-get install linux-server-2.6.28
[00:11] <electrofreak> er
[00:11] <electrofreak> try apt-get install linux-source-2.6.28
[00:12] <ne7work> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[00:12] <electrofreak> try apt-get install linux-source-2.6.28
[00:12] <ne7work> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[00:12] <ne7work>   dvd+rw-tools libao2 cdrdao portmap
[00:12] <electrofreak> try apt-get install linux-source-2.6.28-19-server
[00:12] <malchias> linux-source-`uname -r` ?
[00:12] <ne7work> E: Couldn't find package linux-source-2.6.28-19-server
[00:13] <ne7work> ne7work@ne7work:~$ linux-source-`uname -r`
[00:13] <ne7work> bash: linux-source-2.6.28-19-server: command not found
[00:13] <ne7work> ne7work@ne7work:~$
[00:13] <malchias> linux-headers-`uname -r`, lol, you have to type apt-get install :)
[00:13] <ne7work> linux-headers-`uname -r`
[00:14] <ne7work> ne7work@ne7work:~$ linux-headers-`uname -r`
[00:14] <ne7work> bash: linux-headers-2.6.28-19-server: command not found
[00:14] <malchias> ne7work: consider what you are typing
[00:14] <electrofreak> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[00:14] <ne7work> electrofreak, this work
[00:14] <ne7work> and now?
[00:14] <electrofreak> try the nvidia stuff again
[00:14] <electrofreak> probably need build-essentials, too
[00:15] <ne7work> i'm bulgarian
[00:15] <ne7work> what is build-essentials
[00:15] <ne7work> my english is not so good
[00:15] <ne7work> i need and creative x-fi titanium drivers :X
[00:15] <electrofreak> build-essentials allows your computer to compile programs
[00:15] <electrofreak> try 'sudo apt-get install build-essentials', then try the nvidia stuff again
[00:16] <ne7work> well okay
[00:16] <ne7work> :)
[00:16] <ne7work> E: Couldn't find package build-essentials
[00:17] <jmarsden> nvidia, creative x-fi titanium, etc really have NOTHING to with Ubuntu Server.  Please use #ubuntu for desktop support.
[00:17] <jmarsden> And that package name is build-essential
[00:17] <jmarsden> No 's'
[00:17] <electrofreak> heh, opps
[00:17] <electrofreak> try 'sudo apt-get install build-essential', then try the nvidia stuff again
[00:17] <ne7work> jmarsden, i install sudo apt-get install gnome on my ubuntu server 9.04 not ubuntu-desktop
[00:17] <ne7work> and i try to install drivers and..
[00:18] <jmarsden> ne7work: You are doing something desktop related.  Using server as a GUI desktop is not recommended.  Use #ubutnu for desktop-related support.
[00:19] <ne7work> i hate ubuntu desktop edition
[00:19] <ne7work> :S
[00:19] <electrofreak> why?
[00:19] <ne7work> .. not good for hlds server
[00:19] <jmarsden> You are more or less recreating it, sort of, here, and getting confused as you go.  Rethink.
[00:20] <electrofreak> hlds should work just fine....
[00:20] <ne7work> yes but on ubuntu 9.04 desktop edition..
[00:20] <ne7work> without players cpu is 24..
[00:21] <ne7work> on slackware 13.0 with 5 players cpu is under 1
[00:21] <ne7work> ..
[00:21] <jmarsden> Then find out why.  Instead of doing strange things with a GUI on a server.
[00:21] <ne7work> i have only one PC
[00:22] <jmarsden> So run Desktop Edition, and figure out the issue with hlds or whatever else you want to run on it.
[00:22] <ne7work> on ubuntu desktop edition hlds run very sucks
[00:22] <ne7work> and cpu on hlds is 24..
[00:22] <jmarsden> Find out *why*, do not just keep repeating "it sucks" nonsense.
[00:22] <ne7work> on win 7 and slackware 13.0 cpu is 0..
[00:23] <ne7work> when play 0 players..
[00:23] <ne7work> i need to try server edition without ubuntu-desktop :X
[00:23] <ne7work> ..
[00:23] <electrofreak> I have a feeling X would have nothing to do with that...
[00:23] <jmarsden> ne7work: Great, then do that.  and use it as a server.  Only.  With no GUI.
[00:24] <jmarsden> Server edition does not need nvidia drivers, and it does not need a Creative X-fi card.
[00:24] <ne7work> i have only one PC how to play counter-strike without graphic enviorment?
[00:24] <ne7work> i need for server and for desktop too..
[00:24] <ne7work> ubuntu desktop is not good for me..
[00:25] <jmarsden> Nor us Ubuntu server, because it has no GUI, and adding one is not recommended unless you are experienced with it, which you do not seem to be...
[00:25] <ne7work> what is GUI?
[00:25] <ne7work> desktop enviorment or what?
[00:25] <electrofreak> ne7work: try debian.
[00:26] <jmarsden> This homemade mix of desktop GUI and server will not always behave the way you seem to want.  GUI == Graphical User Interface.
[00:26] <electrofreak> GUI - Graphical User Interface
[00:26] <ne7work> electrofreak, i don't know how to install from netinst cd with pppoeconf how to configure pppoe connection for netinst install?
[00:26] <jmarsden> ne7work: ask in #debian
[00:27] <electrofreak> ne7work: I honestly have no idea... never used PPPoE.
[00:27] <Ichat> pppoe = i did
[00:28] <Ichat> quite a while ago though
[00:28] <electrofreak> I can't imagine it being too difficult.... I think debian's installer should ask you for all the necessary info, which I'm sure you can enter if you could for ubuntu's installer
[00:28] <Ichat> true
[00:29] <Ichat> most of the time you only need    username  and pasword
[00:29] <electrofreak> yea, that was my understanding... only looked at it a few times
[00:30] <ne7work> well
[00:30] <ne7work> i try before
[00:30] <ne7work> and i try with graphical install and no where ask me
[00:30] <ne7work> ..
[00:30] <ne7work> :S
[00:32] <Ichat> but -  to be honnest i dont think there is more about it than that,  -  noticing that hes not seeming to be wanting any 'good'  advice or help,  but rather just only what he wants to hear? -    ne7work -   1 pick your  flavor that suites you   (xubuntu - or ubuntulight  if you dont want the gnome-desktop bloat...     2  either go for   expert mode install  (or  change your  inet settings...
[00:32] <Ichat> ...after your install completes
[00:33] <Ichat> in the grafical setup / or on your desktop  / (config panel - it will show you a network settings  option   (change it from dinamic to  pppoe  and it will ask you the right info
[00:35] <Ichat> the system may also  ask you for MTU's  and stuff -  i temper with them - you should NOT ever have to do so, (unless the person from your isp tells you to )
[00:36] <ruben23> hi, on my host i already have put this-->http://pastebin.com/YSi3X5Yz  ---> but still i cant access uisng this http://Router.3trglobal.com/index.html
[00:36] <ruben23> any idea
[00:38] <ne7work> electrofreak, i go try install nvidia drivers
[00:38] <electrofreak> ruben23: that is your local IP.... do you just want to access your local machine's webserver?
[00:38] <electrofreak> ruben23: or are you trying to access it from another machine?
[00:38] <electrofreak> ruben23: because that wont work
[00:40] <ruben23> electrofreak:this is for my local machine server
[00:40] <ruben23> my local client can access it
[00:40] <electrofreak> ruben23: ok, who can't access it?
[00:41] <ruben23> the outside, WAN
[00:41] <ruben23> but what if i want to WAN able to access it is it possible..?
[00:42] <electrofreak> ruben23: Router.3trglobal.com doesn't associate to an IP from my end.... is it setup through your DNS?
[00:43] <electrofreak> running Router.3trglobal.com doesn't return an IP
[00:43] <electrofreak> sorry, 'ping Router.3trglobal.com'
[00:43] <ruben23> http://pastebin.com/1HuQep3x
[00:43] <ruben23> that ip i didnt know
[00:44] <ruben23> what should i do with this..? be able accessible to local and internet
[00:45] <electrofreak> you need to setup the domain name. where did you get the domain 3trglobal.com from?
[00:46] <electrofreak> do you own that domain?
[00:46] <ruben23> i just made it up myself , its the hostname of my server..
[00:47] <Ichat> rubuntu never use an  FQDN
[00:47] <Ichat> instead for local perposes use stuf like    mydomain.lan   (as   .lan is non-existant as a tld
[00:48] <ruben23> electrofreak:what should i do for my purpose..? should i used FQDN for this server as its host and point it..?
[00:50] <electrofreak> I dunno exactly what you're trying to do... but you need a domain name that points to your server's IP if you want people to easily access it through the browser...
[00:51] <electrofreak> does http://<servers_ip>/index.html work for you?
[00:52] <ruben23> it doesnt
[00:52] <electrofreak> what is the servers ip?
[00:53] <electrofreak> ifconfig
[00:54] <jmarsden> electrofreak: if server is behind a NATing router/firewall, that will not work.  Instead use     wget -O- -q http://whatismyip.org
[00:55] <electrofreak> jmarsden: well, yea... I was trying to determine if he even has an outside IP
[00:56] <jmarsden> OK... but how will ipconfig determine that??  Anyway, you are the one helping... I'm just saying, that's not a valid way to find your Internet public IP.  BTW, since he is connected to IRC, he *must* have a public IP.  Very few people have IPv6 *only* connections!!
[00:57] <electrofreak> was gonna see if it was just a 192.168, 10..... or whatever... he still hasn't replied anyway
[00:57] <ruben23> what you want..? local ip or public ip..?
[00:58] <ruben23> the main goal only for this is be able to see the monitoring log of a file pointed to my server hostname..
[00:58] <electrofreak> both, I suppose.... if you are behind a NAT.... you need port 80 forwarded to your server if you want the webserver to work
[00:58] <ruben23> which is Router.3trglobal.com
[00:58] <ruben23> but even locally i cant open it
[00:58] <ruben23> do i need to open that..?
[00:58] <electrofreak> do you have a webserver installed?
[01:00] <jmarsden> ruben23:  On the server itself, if you do     wget http://<IP_ADDRESS>/index.html        what happens?
[01:00] <ruben23> just a blank page, white page
[01:01] <electrofreak> ruben23: does 'curl http://127.0.01' show the HTML code you would expect?
[01:01] <electrofreak> sorry....
[01:01] <electrofreak> ruben23: does 'curl http://<IP_ADDRESS>' show the HTML code you would expect?
[01:02] <ruben23> i cant see it
[01:02] <ruben23> blank only
[01:06] <ruben23> electrofreak:what you think..?
[01:06] <resno> bogeyd6-: i dont really want to keep windows around, but vmware wont work in other browsers, so i dont have much of an option
[01:07] <electrofreak> ruben23: did you install apache or other webserver?
[01:07] <electrofreak> does your server have a public IP?
[01:07] <ruben23> electrofreak: i installed webserver and i used public ip also
[01:11] <electrofreak> but that public IP doesn't work from the outside so people can view your website?
[02:11] <bogeyd6-> resno, vmware server 1 uses a vmware client and not a browser, or you could use this
[02:11] <bogeyd6-> !kvm | resno
[02:48] <rsousa> hi, has anyone installed 10.04 Server on a supermcro (H8DMT) via KVM on the IPMI board?
[02:49]  * rsousa gets the installers screen all messed up :(
[04:37] <ideaman> what is everyone using to manage large scale deployments of ubuntu server?
[05:39] <ScottK> I think puppet is the preferred solution.
[06:28] <sarthor> HI. i want to configure ubuntu-server 10.04 as a hotspot server, do any one about tutorial or howto on the Intenret, i did search, but am not lucky to get the nicer link.
[07:08] <newbie> hello
[07:08] <newbie> i need help with iptables
[07:08] <newbie> anyone here ?
[07:13] <newbie> hello
[07:13] <newbie> wise
[07:13] <newbie> u here
[07:13] <newbie> ?
[08:30] <awanti_> Hi
[09:01] <halvors1> I can't connect to my email server, i get this message: An error  occurred while sending mail: Unable to authenticate against the SMTP  server mail.skymia.net. It does not support authentication (SMTP AUTH) but  you have chosen to use authentication. Remove the option  "Use name and password" for this server or contact your service  provider.
[09:02] <halvors1> When use the package dovecot-postfix how should i connect? Using STARTTLS, None or TLS/SSL?
[09:03] <jmarsden> halvors1: Do what the error message says; thsi is anout SMTP AUTH, not TLS settings.
[09:03] <jmarsden> You should use whatever that mailserver supports :)
[09:03] <halvors1> So i have to use TLS?
[09:03] <jmarsden> Not necessarily, no.
[09:03] <jmarsden> You should use whatever that mailserver supports :)
[09:03] <halvors1> Yes but i cant send mail useing none of them, no work....
[09:04] <jmarsden> Then "contact your service provider", if that mail server does not work ...
[09:04] <halvors1> i am the service provider ;)
[09:05] <halvors1> Sending message failed.
[09:05] <halvors1> Could not send  message using SMTP server mail.skymia.net of unknown cause. Make sure the  SMTP server settings are correct and try again or contact your system  administrator.
[09:05] <halvors1> I get this when using STARTTLS
[09:05] <jmarsden> You run mail.skymia.net?  Then you should know whether it uses TLS or STARTTLS etc.  You own it!
[09:06] <halvors1> Sending message failed.
[09:06] <halvors1> Could not send  the message because the connection to the SMTP server mail.skymia.net  failed. The server may be unavailable or refuse SMTP connections. Make sure the  SMTP server settings are correct and try again or contact your system  administrator
[09:06] <halvors1> And this for TLS/SSL
[09:07] <jmarsden> How exactly are you testing this mailserver?
[09:07] <halvors1> I am a noob,m i am testing now, i only installed the package dovecot-postfix
[09:07] <halvors1> ??
[09:07] <halvors1> Trying to connect...
[09:07] <halvors1> From Mozilla Thunderbird
[09:07] <jmarsden> With what?  telnet?
[09:07] <jmarsden> Ah.  Why not test it with something lower level, so you can see what it is doing?
[09:08] <halvors1> But i want to send email from Email-Client not Telnet ;)
[09:09] <jmarsden> Indeed.  But test it first!  BTW, I cannot even connect to port 25 on mail.skymia.netr from here at all...
[09:09] <halvors1> ok
[09:09] <jmarsden> Is your mailserver really on the public Internet?
[09:09] <halvors1> Can you do it for me or?
[09:10] <halvors1> I have tryed to setup this emailserver for 2 years...
[09:10] <jmarsden> Only if I can see it... is it actually on the Internet -- is TCP port 25 of mail.skymia.net open?
[09:10] <halvors1> I use port forwarding in my router...
[09:11] <jmarsden> Are you 100% sure that is working?  BTW, if you are at home on a dynamic IP address, you will have some issues running a mailserver...
[09:11] <halvors1> Port 25 is set to "Any"
[09:11] <halvors1> Should i use TCP instead?
[09:12] <halvors1> I have static IP to my home ;)
[09:13] <jmarsden> I think you have postfix set to listen only on localhost, then?
[09:13] <halvors1> How edit that?
[09:13] <halvors1> in main.cf
[09:14] <halvors1> i can post the main.cf at pastebin ok?
[09:14] <jmarsden> What does   netstat -ntl | grep :25    say?
[09:14] <halvors1> will test
[09:14] <halvors1> http://pastebin.com/PctiQZkX
[09:15] <halvors1> 502 5.5.2 Error: command not recognized
[09:15] <halvors1> also netstat -ntl | grep :25
[09:16] <halvors1> jmarsden: What does that mean?
[09:17] <jmarsden> Huh?  No... at the shell command prompt on the server, do    netstat -ntl | grep 25
[09:19] <jmarsden> Do    netstat -ntl | grep :25
[09:19] <halvors1> i need to take a screenshot ;)
[09:19] <jmarsden> Why?  Use pastebinit
[09:19] <jmarsden> You should get one line of output...
[09:20] <jmarsden> Huh?  No... at the shell command prompt on the server, do    netstat -ntl | grep 25 | pastebinit   if you can not cut and paste one line into IRC.
[09:21] <halvors1> http://halvors.skymia.net/Skjermdump.png
[09:21] <halvors1> i cant copy from putty...
[09:21] <jmarsden> Why not?
[09:21] <halvors1> so here is the screenshot.
[09:22] <jmarsden> OK, screenshot says that you are listening on port 25 on all IP addresses, so your port forwarding must be wrong.
[09:22] <halvors1> but i am on the local network...
[09:23] <jmarsden> Yes, but I am not, so I can't test anything if your port forwarding is broken...
[09:23] <halvors1> Here is my port forward for the server. http://halvors.skymia.net/Skjermdump-1.png
[09:24] <halvors1> Someting wrong?
[09:24] <jmarsden> I don't know... there are no IP addresses in there... it does not say what local IP it will forward port 25 to...
[09:25] <halvors1> <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:25] <halvors1> is the ip..
[09:26] <halvors1> http://halvors.skymia.net/Skjermdump-2.png (ss1 = <IP_ADDRESS>) i add it to the servers profile...
[09:26] <jmarsden> Well, all I can say is that both telnet and nmap show your port 25 on mail.skymia.net (<IP_ADDRESS>) as being blocked.
[09:26] <halvors1> ok
[09:27] <halvors1> so should i try to set it to 25 tcp
[09:27] <halvors1> so can you test again with it?
[09:27] <jmarsden> OK...
[09:27] <jmarsden> Still the same, nmap says:    25/tcp filtered smtp
[09:29] <halvors1> I have now edited it to 25 TCP
[09:29] <jmarsden> Your port 110 is open just fine, by the way.
[09:30] <jmarsden> No change to port 25.
[09:30] <halvors1> ok
[09:30] <halvors1> maybe the ISP is blocking it?
[09:30] <halvors1> are the 110 port fine?
[09:30] <halvors1> and what is 465 port
[09:30] <halvors1> ?
[09:31] <jmarsden> Possible, but a bit unlikely.  Yes, I can see dovecot running on port 110.  465 is smtp over SSL...
[09:32] <halvors1> ok
[09:32] <halvors1> can you try that?
[09:32] <jmarsden> That's closed, nothing is listening on it, apparently.
[09:33] <halvors1> hmm. It could be postfix?
[09:33] <halvors1> Bot 25 and 465 is open in my router...
[09:34] <jmarsden> netstat -ntl | grep :465
[09:35] <halvors1> now only port 25 is open in my router, does it work now?
[09:36] <jmarsden> No, now everything looks filtered
[09:37] <halvors1> When trying netstat -ntl | grep :465 i did not get anyting...
[09:37] <jmarsden> Then postfix is not listening on that port.
[09:37] <jmarsden> Did you configure it to do so?
[09:38] <halvors1> http://pastebin.com/PctiQZkX
[09:38] <halvors1> here is my config file...
[09:39] <halvors1> i only installed the dovecot-postfix package...
[09:40] <jmarsden> I can't work that way... if you don't know how to configure postfix and the default config does not work for you, you are stuck.  You need to learn more about postfix and email servers in general, or fix the port 25 issue, and then come back to this.
[09:40] <halvors1> ok
[09:40] <halvors1> But here one say to me that i only need to install dovecot-postfix...
[09:40] <halvors1> Its it right?
[09:41] <jmarsden> And that is generally true, the defaylts usually work.
[09:41] <halvors1> So then it shoul dwork...
[09:41] <jmarsden> But for you they are not working, or you do not know how to test them, or both, and I can't test because of the port 25 issue...
[09:41] <jmarsden> Yes, it should.
[09:41] <halvors1> ok
[09:42] <halvors1> thanks, will try to contact my ISP and ask them about the port 25..
[09:42] <halvors1> bye
[09:42] <jmarsden> OK.  Bye.
[09:43] <halvors1> And thanks for help ;)
[11:37] <RoyK> bug #596479 was rather stupid :þ
[12:14] <kim0> Hi folks, can ubuntu-server install over LVM, or do I need alternate ?
[12:23] <jpds> kim0: I think both can.
[12:23] <kim0> great .. let's drop alternate then :)
[13:19] <resno> bogeyd6-: i cant use kvm as my cpu doesnt support virtualization
[13:19] <bogeyd6-> resno, kk
[13:19] <bogeyd6-> resno, then i suggest you use vmware server 1
[13:20] <resno> i dont see the install download on the vmware site
[13:20] <bogeyd6-> you can download it by going to the server download area then clicking on looking for version 1
[13:20] <bogeyd6-> resno, http://downloads.vmware.com/d/info/datacenter_downloads/vmware_server/1_0
[13:20] <resno> bogeyd6-: thanks.
[13:21] <bogeyd6-> basically you use a vmware client instead of a website to view the machine
[13:21] <bogeyd6-> i shelled out for workstation
[13:21] <bogeyd6-> but i use it for work so you know.......
[13:21] <resno> will having that run increase my cpu usage?
[13:22] <resno> i installed it on a development server and it spiked the cpu usage
[13:22] <resno> is that usual and expected?
[13:22] <bogeyd6-> wat?
[13:22] <bogeyd6-> workstation?
[13:23] <resno> i installed vmware 2 on my test server, and as i worked with the web client, the machines load avgs went through the roof
[13:24] <bogeyd6-> it is normal for a large cpu spike (espcially on older systems) if you leave the guest running in the background. my suggest would be to "pause it". For vmware server 2 just using the web front end will cause cpu usage.
[13:24] <bogeyd6-> what processor are you using?
[13:24] <resno> i will be using a p4.
[13:24] <bogeyd6-> ah :(
[13:24] <resno> the test was a p3 :(
[13:25] <bogeyd6-> you gonna get a cpu spike just typing in the terminal :P
[13:25] <bogeyd6-> but vmware server 1 is exactly what you want, trust me on that. Vbox works but it requires lots of finagling where as vmware works, and then make sure you install the vmware tools on the windows guest.
[13:26] <resno> is there a ubunutu vmware tools?
[13:26] <bogeyd6-> yup
[13:26] <bogeyd6-> sudo apt-get install open-vmware-tools
[13:27] <bogeyd6-> er
[13:27] <bogeyd6-> sudo apt-get install open-vm-tools
[13:27] <resno> thanks, do you think i should pause the guest os on the p4?
[13:28] <resno> i believe i have a 1gb of ram
[13:28] <bogeyd6-> if you are using linucks and windows is your guest, yes. If it is Windows and Ubuntu is the guest then no
[13:28] <resno> it will be ubutnu and centos as the guest
[13:28] <resno> ubuntu server
[13:28] <bogeyd6-> you are fine then
[13:28] <resno> im playing with pbx and asterisk :)
[13:29] <bogeyd6-> i hope you dont expect much with a machine like that
[13:29] <resno> what should i not expect?
[13:29] <bogeyd6-> our asterisk systems run dual quad cores with 32gb of ram. using a ZFS iscsi lan and they have some issues on high load
[13:30] <bogeyd6-> ubuntu server of cos
[13:30] <resno> i only plan to run one line, and it will hardly be used. its a backup for our mobile phones
[13:30] <bogeyd6-> cool
[13:31] <resno> thanks bogeyd6- ill try it out and cross my fingers :)
[13:31] <resno> if i upgraded, what do you think i should go to? as in cpu
[13:32] <bogeyd6-> wat, ideally? or on a budget. cuz personally im fond of the HP dl385's
[13:34] <resno> heh, run a full sized server for my home
[13:35] <bogeyd6-> i figured it was for a small business
[13:35] <resno> nope, its for a small home. just me and the wife.. at the moment
[13:35] <bogeyd6-> then your p4 is fine
[13:35]  * resno dances the jig
[13:36] <bogeyd6-> turn it into a unified voicemail system would be awesome
[13:36] <bogeyd6-> get your voicemails emailed to you
[13:36] <resno> that would be pretty awesome..
[13:37] <bogeyd6-> http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+config+voicemail.conf
[13:37] <bogeyd6-> !asterisk
[13:38] <bogeyd6-> !voip
[13:38] <resno> do you have a server running at home or no?
[13:39] <bogeyd6-> nope i vpn into my work and just use my unified number google voice number
[13:39] <bogeyd6-> 9/10 calls i get through my ubuntu laptop
[13:39] <bogeyd6-> the other 1 i typically answer on my cell phone if i had to guess
[13:41] <resno> bogeyd6-: one other question, im running the centos install on my desktin in virtualbox, its running quite high on my machine.
[13:41] <resno> desktop
[13:41] <bogeyd6-> graphical or command line?
[13:41] <resno> command line
[13:41] <bogeyd6-> dunno
[13:42] <bogeyd6-> never used it
[13:42] <resno> does ubuntu support pbx in a flash?
[13:43] <bogeyd6-> resno, asterisk is in the repo and you can turn on backports, however i have never used the repo version so I can not speak to how much setup has to go on
[13:44] <resno> ok, in that case ill just stay where i am. the cpu avg have settled down.
[13:45] <RoyK> resno: asterisk will help you get a pbx up and running quite quickly, but asterisk isn't really built for stability - http://karlsbakk.net/fun/asterisk_architecture.jpg - http://karlsbakk.net/fun/asterisk-installation.wav
[13:45] <bogeyd6-> the load avg?
[13:45] <RoyK> I've worked with asterisk for some years, and I'm pretty glad I'm not using it anymore
[13:45] <bogeyd6-> RoyK, and the alternative?
[13:45] <RoyK> freeswitch
[13:46] <bogeyd6-> bah
[13:46] <resno> certaintly seems less popular
[13:46] <RoyK> freeswitch was started as a separate project by asterisk developers that tried to fix elementary design flaws, but was stopped by Digium
[13:47] <RoyK> the asterisk code is a pita
[13:48] <RoyK> and since it's dual licensed, it can't link with gpl, so all code must be written from scratch and given to Digium
[13:49] <bogeyd6-> cool story bro
[13:51] <bogeyd6-> im sorry to be negative royk
[13:51] <RoyK> heh - I'm the one being negative to asterisk :)
[13:51] <bogeyd6-> but this really sounds like a bunch of butthurt developers who ragequit digium
[13:51] <RoyK> bogeyd6-: I've worked with asterisk in rather large setups and I've done my part of debugging/fixing
[13:52] <RoyK> the code is REALLY a mess
[13:52] <bogeyd6-> im in a 745 phone setup
[13:52] <bogeyd6-> 746 if you count the maintenance line
[13:52] <RoyK> and reporting bugs is hard - even obvious bugs can be closed with notaproblem
[13:53] <RoyK> bogeyd6-: if it's better now, that's good
[13:53] <RoyK> but I somehow think I won't be using it much
[13:54] <bogeyd6-> no worries
[13:54] <RoyK> the RTP stack in asterisk doesn't scale at all, It hung the server at 200 bridged calls
[13:54] <RoyK> hard hang
[13:54] <bogeyd6-> i can introduce you to 5 people in IRC right now who would go on and on about how ubuntu server is not a server os
[13:54] <resno> bogeyd6-: only 5?
[13:54] <bogeyd6-> lol :P
[13:54] <RoyK> I've heard that as well, but I beleive in free speech
[13:55] <RoyK> or free religion
[13:55] <bogeyd6-> visit #centos and toll the bejesus out of em by saying "I switch from CentOS to Ubuntu"
[13:55] <bogeyd6-> toll = troll
[13:55] <RoyK> I'm at #opensolaris a lot, and there are a few in there that hate everything that is linux
[13:55] <bogeyd6-> you know we never made the switch from Solaris to OpenSolaris
[13:56] <RoyK> we're using osol for some rather large storage servers - couple of 50TB setups
[13:56] <RoyK> zfs rocks
[13:57] <bogeyd6-> nice
[13:57] <RoyK> bogeyd6-: just don't misunderstand me - if asterisk works well for you, good, but for the ITSP I worked, it had several flaws
[13:57] <bogeyd6-> every time my two step sons go anywhere, they go to together and it makes me suspicious
[13:58] <bogeyd6-> normally i dont notice but today im outside smoking up some pork butts and ribs for fathers day
[13:59] <resno> what are you thinking?
[13:59] <bogeyd6-> RoyK, in that pic you sent are you meant to read it left to right
[14:04] <RoyK> bogeyd6-: I'm not sure it's meant reading :)
[14:05] <bogeyd6-> dang my smoker today just wont go below 250
[14:05] <RoyK> smoker?
[14:06] <bogeyd6-> RoyK, literally  a metal box i build a fire in with wood and cook pork for hours on end
[14:09] <RoyK> oh, to _smoke_ pork?
[15:39] <Ichat> is there anyone with some experience  setting up a  print-server  in hardy with a  samsung clp310   (either with the samsung of the foo2  driver???
[16:36] <datz> how is memory usage calculated on login?
[16:36] <datz> seems to be inaccurate
[16:40] <resno> if i get red text and flashing lights during boot, i can imagine the machine is unhappy
[16:41] <datz> +1
[16:43] <RoyK> datz: see the 'free' output - it says something about what is used by whom
[16:43] <RoyK> mostly, memory is used by cache
[16:45] <datz> RoyK: that's how I calculated what I thought it should be
[16:55] <RoyK> datz: and does it still use a lot of memory?
[16:58] <datz> RoyK: not too much.
[16:59] <datz>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[16:59] <datz> Mem:           243        234          9          0         90         64
[16:59] <datz> -/+ buffers/cache:         79        164
[16:59] <datz> Swap:          710          5        705
[16:59] <datz> says no swap used, and 43% or memory used
[16:59] <datz> swap is used, and looks more like 63% of mem used
[17:03] <resno> is there a way recovery system to bring amachine back from death?
[17:04] <jpds> #define death
[17:04] <resno> caps lock and num lock are flashing and im getting a call trace on the screen
[17:04] <jpds> Sounds like kernel panic?
[17:05] <resno> i dont see any mention of kernel panic
[17:05] <bogeyd6-> datz, it depends, its usually total system memory - mb vidya - other shared = total shown
[17:05]  * resno is not an expert
[17:05] <resno> jpds: actually is does say panic occured
[17:05] <resno> bogeyd6-: vmware 2 blew up on me :(
[17:06] <jpds> resno: Try booting into an old kernel?
[17:06] <datz> bogeyd6-: ok thanks
[17:06] <resno> jpds: how do i go about doing that? live cd?
[17:06] <jpds> resno: Is this a Lucid machine?
[17:07] <resno> lucid is 10.04 lts right?
[17:07] <jpds> resno: Yes; after POST hold down the Shift key and GRUB should appear with kernel versions.
[17:09] <MrZhi> hey, if sshd is configured to use PAM, can I still restrict access to SSH by using "AllowGroups <GroupName>" in sshd_config?
[17:10] <resno> jpds: ok, im there im in recovery menu. any suggestions?
[17:11] <jpds> resno: How many kernels do you see?
[17:13] <resno> jpds: 2 - 2.6.32-22-generic-pae and its recovery mode. and 2.6.31-17-generic-pae and its recovery mode
[17:13] <jpds> resno: Try booting into 2.6.31?
[17:18] <resno> jpds: ok, its back up. how do i fix it?
[17:19] <jpds> resno: Something in the newer kernel upsets your system.
[17:19] <jpds> resno: What kind of machine is it?
[17:21] <resno> jpds: i installed vmware server 2 thats what upset it :(
[17:22] <jpds> Hmm, don't have VMWare experience, sorry.
[17:23] <resno> im curious, ive booted into another kernel. so should everything work? or will only certain things work prior to the kernel update?
[17:31] <resno> jpds: thanks for you help. my machine is smiling again
[17:32] <jpds> No problem.
[17:43] <resno> bogeyd6-: how should i go about installing vmware 1 on the server?
[17:43] <bogeyd6-> which server version
[17:43] <resno> bogeyd6-: vmware server 1, the one you linked me to
[17:44] <resno> bogeyd6-: 1.0.10-203137
[17:45] <bogeyd6-> uhm
[17:45] <bogeyd6-> resno,  10.04 or 8.04
[17:45] <bogeyd6-> cuz im saying 8.04
[17:45] <resno> oh, 10.04
[17:45] <bogeyd6-> 10.04 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9482044#post9482044
[17:46] <resno> why is this never as easy as i hoped it be
[17:58] <bogeyd6-> resno, if linucks was easy everyone would use it
[18:22] <peturi> Hi, my server is currently running Debian Etch. I only have access to it via ssh, is it possible for me to remotely dump debian from it and install Ubuntu server edition?  i guess i'll need to use some kind of an install script" where i have defined all the options (keyboard,country,users etc) .. i don't want to "format" the partition, just delete everything except /home
[18:25] <Jordan_U> !install | peturi
[18:31] <JackTO> hi all, i sthere an easy wany to change the root password?  and then to switch it bad, i need to change it about 3 times, but i don't want to mess anything up
[18:31] <JackTO> back*
[18:31] <JackTO> typos!
[18:35] <steffan> JackTO: er, you need to change the root password?
[18:36] <wilcojr> anyone here can help with NFS+MYSQL on 10.04
[18:36] <wilcojr> it hangs and totally unstable
[18:38] <martin-> you run your db over nfs?
[18:38] <wilcojr> yes
[18:38] <wilcojr> we have a 10 Gig ethernet network
[18:38] <wilcojr> NetAPp 3140 filer
[18:38] <wilcojr> we get awesome performance
[18:38] <wilcojr> around 3gig/sec NFS access :)
[18:38] <wilcojr> i can copyu files over and over to the NFS
[18:39] <wilcojr> but MYSQL when configured to the same path
[18:39] <wilcojr> hangs at boot
[18:39] <martin-> what about seeking?
[18:39] <wilcojr> i changed the datadir in my.cnf to point to my NFS mount
[18:40] <wilcojr> <IP_ADDRESS>:/vol/mysql_db_data on /mnt/mysql_data type nfs (rw,bg,hard,nointr,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,tcp,nfsvers=3,timeo=660,actimeo=0,addr=<IP_ADDRESS>)
[18:40] <wilcojr> thats my mount
[18:40] <wilcojr> it works flawlessly
[18:40] <wilcojr> copying files from the mysql servers to this mount point
[18:40] <wilcojr> however when i change the datadir in my.cnf to point to this mount
[18:40] <wilcojr> it hangs!
[18:40] <wilcojr> mysql simply hangs
[18:40] <wilcojr> does not start
[18:40] <wilcojr> and respwns some weird shit in ps
[18:41] <wilcojr> if i do status i get:
[18:41] <wilcojr> mysql respawn/post-start, (post-start) process 1527
[18:41] <wilcojr> if i look at process 1527
[18:42] <wilcojr> root      1527     1  0 19:24 ?        00:00:00 /bin/sh -e /proc/self/fd/8
[18:42] <wilcojr> if i try to kill
[18:42] <wilcojr> it will respawn
[18:42] <wilcojr> and respawn
[18:42] <wilcojr> im exhusted
[18:42] <martin-> why can't you run mysql on the other server?
[18:43] <wilcojr> nono
[18:43] <martin-> running a db over nfs seems like a bad idea, no matter how much bandwidth you have
[18:43] <wilcojr> all mysql servers are virutalized and write thier database to centerlized NFS storage on our netapp
[18:43] <wilcojr> martin - we run oracleRAC 11.2G on NFS
[18:43] <wilcojr> works like a charm
[18:43] <wilcojr> each VM has a dedicated NFS network card
[18:43] <wilcojr> traffic goes directly to the netapp
[18:43] <wilcojr> no firewalls/filters
[18:44] <wilcojr> how can i debug this guys
[18:44] <wilcojr> if i type mysqld --debug
[18:44] <wilcojr> nothing happens
[18:45] <wilcojr> what is this ? root      1527     1  0 19:24 ?        00:00:00 /bin/sh -e /proc/self/fd/8 - is it some kind of file disrecptor ?
[19:18] <onetrouble> I am doing this: apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys E9EEF4A1. But getting: Executing: gpg --ignore-time-conflict --no-options --no-default-keyring --secret-keyring /etc/apt/secring.gpg --trustdb-name /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --primary-keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys E9EEF4A1 gpg: requesting key E9EEF4A1 from hkp server keyserver.ubun
[19:18] <onetrouble> Can someone help me please?
[19:56] <jmarsden> onetrouble: Your command looks fine, and works perfectly for me here.
[20:14] <onetrouble> jmarsden: =(. what could it be. running 10.04 rackspace cloud servers. restart the server?
[20:16] <lukehasnoname> Is UEC being operated by any large-scale hosting company?
[20:17] <lukehasnoname> Sry, somehow hit the disconnect button in xchat
[20:18] <MrZhi> hehe
[20:19] <MrZhi> San Antonio.. has Rackspace, which I believe runs UEC
[20:19] <ScottK> MrZhi: Rackspace cloud doesn't use UEC.
[20:20] <MrZhi> no I think they use internally
[20:21] <ScottK> They use Ubuntu, but not UEC AFAIK.  They're cloud stuff is their own solution.
[20:21] <MrZhi> hrmm, musta misunderstood my source
[20:23] <Danawar1> Whats better for servers centos or ubuntu?
[20:23] <ScottK> There's Rackspace "traditional" and Rackspace Cloud and they are organizationally pretty seperate.  It may be that the traditional part of Rackspace is using it.
[20:23] <ScottK> Danawar1: Surely you wouldn't expect anyone to say anything but Ubuntu here?
[20:24] <MrZhi> Centos is just rebranded Fedora bloatware :D
[20:26] <lukehasnoname> A guy at work was trashing Ubuntu and Debian for, among other things, keeping all the NIC configuration in one file
[20:27] <lukehasnoname> MrZhi, do you live in San Antonio? Or did you see that I do from my IP?
[20:30] <MrZhi> lukehasnoname, I'm in Austin
[20:31] <MrZhi> but yeah, recognized the satx
[20:33] <lukehasnoname> Ya, I work for another huge IT shop in SATX. It's not their external business, but they rely heavily on IT. I'm not sure how much Linux is in the environment... we have mainframe, RHEL, Solaris, AIX and Server 2003 with XP desktops -_-
[20:33] <ScottK> Danawar1: One of the real advantages of Debian/Ubuntu over Red Hat/Centos is the breadth of the official archives.  I don't know anyone seriously using RH/Centos that doesn't have to hunt down and use third party repos.  In Debian/Ubuntu that usually isn't necessary.
[20:33] <Danawar1> ScottK: I was just after an opinion as I have no experience of centos, I'm sure every OS has its advantages as well as its drawbacks.
[20:34] <Danawar1> ScottK: I see =]
[20:34] <ScottK> RH/Centos is kind of like IBM in the 70s.  Very reliable and you'll never get in trouble for suggesting it, but not necessarily the best.
[20:34] <ScottK> Also because the RHEL release cycle is slow, RH/Centos tend to have much older versions.
[20:35] <MrZhi> RHEL isn't worth dammit if you're IT. Install a module into the kernel and you may have voided your support
[20:35] <ScottK> I think the fact that Ubuntu uses Apparmor and not SELinux for it's standard MAC tool is an advantage.
[20:35] <MrZhi> true
[20:36] <lukehasnoname> ScottK, From my limited research on the topic, AppArmor and SELinx achieve the same effect while AA is much easier to use
[20:36] <MrZhi> It takes quite a bit of time to get SELinux under control
[20:36] <ScottK> In theory SELinux is "better", but I've yet to run into RH/Centos sysadmin that didn't disable SELinux about the first thing.
[20:36] <MrZhi> ScottK: SOOOOO true
[20:37] <ScottK> lukehasnoname: To a first order affect, they are "the same".  A properly confgured SELinux system is, in fact, more secure than a system with Apparmor, but I've never seen one of those in the wild.
[20:45] <lukehasnoname> MrZhi, you'll know where I work when you read Computerworld's Top 100 places to work in IT tomorrow
[20:45] <lukehasnoname> let's just say you could knock off a few zeros for me
[20:49] <qman__> they're both mandatory access control, but apparmor is permissive by default
[20:49] <qman__> if there is no configuration for a program, apparmor does nothing
[20:50] <qman__> where SELinux is restrictive by default, and doesn't let programs do things they're not allowed to
[20:50] <qman__> it's a total pain though
[20:51] <qman__> it also helps that ubuntu has apparmor sensibly configured out of the box
[20:51] <qman__> a stock redhat/fedora system with SELinux on spews errors
[20:52] <lukehasnoname> Unusable security measures are not useful for most people
[20:55] <qman__> apparmor still protects against someone gaining access through a running service, like bind, and messing up other parts of your system
[20:56] <qman__> which is the most valuable part
[22:52] <Danawar1> Hey #server how do i find out the host name of a system through terminal?
[22:53] <Danawar1> Ohh i believe when it says danawar@danawar it means my username is danawar and the host name is danawar to?
[23:12] <cloakable> yes
[23:12] <cloakable> Danawar1: what form are you looking for? bare hostname or fqdn?
[23:20] <Danawar1> hostname
[23:20] <Danawar1> i do not have a FQDN =[
[23:21] <Danawar1> just setting up a webserver for  my first time :D
[23:31] <Jack-in-Box> hi all, anyone here use the ioncube loader?   I tried it with both PHP 5.3 and also tried downgrading to 5.2 on ubuntu server 10.04, 64bit without any luck, all I get is blank white page??   anyone have this issue?
[23:35] <cloakable> I don't use it... my server is loaded with all GPL software.


[05:24] <darkangel> OK ima Huge NOOB on Bugs started to do this today how do u test like a Program or what ever for BUGS????
[05:25] <darkangel> i know u gotta use the terminal im good with the terminal but i dont know the commands for testing
[10:31] <Noskcaj10> Can someone please set the milestone for 1221140 as "t-series"
[10:31] <Noskcaj10> bug 1221140
[10:31] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1221140 in cvsgraph (Ubuntu) "Sync cvsgraph 1.7.0-4 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1221140
[14:59] <Caribou> got a triage question : when a bug is reported on Precise but the dev release doesn't show the bug, should I mark the main task as invalid & the Precise task as triaged ?
[15:00] <Caribou> that's a bug I'm working on btw
[16:18] <bdmurray> Caribou: more likely fix released if it doesn't exist in saucy


[07:11] <jussi> !isitoutyet ? :P
[07:11] <jussi> bah :P
[07:14]  * RaringOne runs for the hills
[08:10] <RaringOne> Welcome back jussi !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:14] <RaringOne> I kinda hope they decide to delay a week or two
[11:17] <Tm_T> woo!
[11:17]  * Tm_T has been verbose today
[12:25] <Pici> I updated the 13.04 factoids yesterday fyi
[12:26] <RaringOne> Pici: One day I hope you pass on your scripty bit for doing that, but till then thank you :)
[12:26] <Pici> RaringOne: its actually all manual.
[12:26] <RaringOne> really?
[12:27] <RaringOne> I figured you had some nifty python script
[12:27] <Pici> Nope, just have a habit of getting it done as soon as I hear the new codename.
[12:27] <RaringOne> :)
[12:28] <RaringOne> I had a compliment typed out but I was worried it would look like I was kissing up
[13:48] <mneptok> .wii RaringOne
[13:48] <mneptok> :)
[13:48] <RaringOne> don't wii me!
[13:48] <knome> it should be RoaringRabbit.
[13:49] <RaringOne> /ps3 mneptok
[13:49] <RaringOne> :)
[13:49] <knome> the new codename is just lame
[13:49] <RaringOne> NOU
[13:49] <knome> bleh, wrong channel, sabdfl isn't here :P
[13:49] <RaringOne> haha
[13:50] <knome> ;]
[13:50] <knome> i wonder if flavors can use their own codenames
[13:50] <RaringOne> he reads the logs daily
[13:50] <knome> :P
[13:50] <knome> ok good. hey mark! o/
[14:04] <Pici> I love how people try to prove us wrong when it comes to release dates/times.
[14:04] <RaringOne> This is our first time
[14:13] <Pici> not that anyone reads the topic, but *shrug* ;)
[14:23] <mneptok> RaringOne: i was more going for "WHEEE" than the Nintendo product name. given togay's agenda.
[14:24] <mneptok> *today's
[14:25] <mneptok> http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=ieRPb_5Am-g  <--- everybody chill. New Mexico style.
[14:48] <ringtail> Can somebody kick Gujrati from #ubuntu-release-party for language?
[14:49] <RaringOne> is he being vulgar?
[14:49] <RaringOne> done
[14:50] <Myrtti> was same as Naren
[14:50] <ringtail> Thanks
[15:06] <Myrtti> I see lawe is in #ubuntu
[15:06] <bazhang> oh lawd
[15:06] <bazhang> aka vwq
[15:07] <bazhang> he's +q last I checked
[15:17] <RaringOne> shah`: Can i help you?
[15:17] <RaringOne> buzzinh1: be with you in a moment
[15:17] <shah`> RaringOne: no
[15:17] <RaringOne> shah`: unless you need something from the ops team please part the channel
[15:18] <shah`> what is this chan specified?
[15:18] <buzzinh> ....
[15:18] <bazhang> read the topic
[15:18] <RaringOne> shah`: unless you need something from the Ubuntu ops team please part the channel
[15:18] <RaringOne> buzzinh: i banned you because we asked and told you many times not to post links claiming to be the final release of 12.10
[15:18] <bazhang> buzzinh, what do you need help with
[15:18]  * shah` still using 11.04 natty
[15:18] <shah`> its that ok?
[15:18] <buzzinh> erm. no u didnt
[15:19] <RaringOne> erm yes we did, plus the 50 or so ban and kicks we gave others should have been a hint to you
[15:19] <buzzinh> i was not told once! and claiming uis the wrong word.
[15:19] <buzzinh> actually is the correct word!
[15:19] <tonyyarusso> buzzinh: Everyone was told.  It's in the topic.
[15:19] <buzzinh> its up...the bot said it wasnt and you all said it wasnt and it is...
[15:19] <RaringOne> So, now you are banned. enjoy the rest of your day.
[15:20] <RaringOne> it isn't until the Ubuntu release manager says it is and you are not her
[15:20] <buzzinh> haha...go look at the page mate its there!
[15:20] <bazhang> ok then
[15:21] <bazhang> shah`, was there something you needed?
[15:22] <shah`> hello
[15:22] <shah`> i want to ask
[15:22] <bazhang> yes?
[15:23] <shah`> is that ok im still using 11.04 natty?
[15:23] <bazhang> !110.04
[15:23] <bazhang> whoopsie
[15:23] <shah`> !110.04
[15:23] <bazhang> it wont be supported for much longer
[15:23] <tsimpson> !10.04
[15:23] <shah`> im still using
[15:23] <shah`> !11.04
[15:23] <bazhang> April 2011 + 18 months =
[15:23] <tsimpson> you have until April next year to upgrade
[15:24] <shah`> oh
[15:24] <shah`> after that?
[15:24] <shah`> if im not upgrade
[15:24] <bazhang> tsimpson, april next year?
[15:24] <bazhang> so two years support?
[15:24] <tsimpson> for 10.04
[15:24] <bazhang> he has 11.04
[15:24] <shah`> after that?
[15:25] <bazhang> so this month
[15:25]  * shah` never update
[15:25] <tsimpson> that's going EOL soon
[15:25] <tsimpson> you'll just stop getting updates if you don't upgrade, so no security issues will be fixed
[15:25] <bazhang> yes, in October, this year
[15:26] <tsimpson> you have 10 days to upgrade to at least 11.10
[15:26] <shah`> if i dont want upgrade?
[15:28] <tsimpson> well you don't have to, but you'll stop getting any updates after then
[15:28] <genii-around> shah`: The repository will be taken offline after that
[15:28] <tsimpson> and #ubuntu will no longer offer support
[15:28] <shah`> oh
[15:28] <shah`> so my system prob after that?
[15:29] <bazhang> on your own
[15:29]  * shah` stable use 11.04
[15:29] <bazhang> really, why not get 12.10
[15:29] <shah`> i have try
[15:30] <bazhang> ok
[15:30] <shah`> but dont like
[15:30] <shah`> then downgrade back
[15:30] <bazhang> time to upgrade to something higher
[15:30] <bazhang> 11.10 at least
[15:30] <shah`> i have use 1.5GB RAM
[15:30] <tsimpson> go with 11.10 or 12.04, 12.04 is LTS so it will be supported for 5 years
[15:31] <bazhang> that is plenty ram
[15:31] <shah`> intel core 2 duo proc
[15:31]  * shah` like 11.04
[15:31] <shah`> smooth
[15:31] <ikonia> then stick with it
[15:31] <shah`> just upgrade kernel
[15:31] <ikonia> why is this a hard concept to grasp
[15:31] <bazhang> hah no
[15:32] <ikonia> support will end for 11.04 - use it if you are happy with it but support will end
[15:32] <shah`> shah@shah:~$ uname -a
[15:32] <shah`> Linux shah 3.5.0-030500rc6-generic #201207072135 SMP Sun Jul 8 01:43:16 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[15:32] <ikonia> that means nothing
[15:32] <ikonia> shah`: do you actually need anything from this channel ?
[15:32] <mneptok> uhhh ... why is this discussion happening in this channel?
[15:32] <ikonia> you are now aware support for 11.04 will end and it is up to you if you wish to upgrade oe nor not
[15:33] <shah`> nothing
[15:33] <shah`> ok
[15:33] <shah`> i will upgrade later
[15:33] <shah`> if i need
[15:33] <shah`> or bored about 11.04
[15:33] <tsimpson> you can ask any other questions in #ubuntu
[15:33] <shah`> btw i love 11.04
[15:33] <mneptok> shah`: please /part this channel and ask your questions in the support channel.
[15:33] <ikonia> ok, thanks, bye
[15:33] <shah`> ok
[15:33] <shah`> thanks all dude
[17:15]  * tonyyarusso hopes for all of our sanity that it's not much longer
[17:16]  * knome is hoping for his back that it's not much longer, soon i'm not able to sit here waiting when i can update the xubuntu website :P
[17:17]  * tonyyarusso wonders who changed the topic
[17:17] <Pici> I did
[17:17] <Pici> jono asked me to stick something in there about the release party
[17:17] <tonyyarusso> Pici: As in just a few second ago
[17:18] <Pici> oh, dunno
[17:18] <tonyyarusso> 12:16:04 -!- ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-release-party to: Ubuntu 12.10 (Quantal Quetzal) is released!!!
[17:18] <Pici> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2012-October/000164.html
[17:19] <tonyyarusso> Hooray
[17:21] <mneptok> !isitout
[17:22] <tonyyarusso> ubot5 isn't synced with that...
[17:22] <mneptok> zout
[17:26] <RaringOne> !no when is <reply>Ubuntu 12.10 Quantal Quetzal was officially released at October 18th 2012 17:15:29 UTC
[17:26] <tsimpson> I'd rather just !forget when
[17:26] <Pici> me too
[17:28] <jrib> ok who will update all the factoids!?
[17:29] <Pici> you
[17:29] <jrib> :(
[17:29] <Pici> I did the topics... I'll start looking at the factoids
[17:30] <Pici> tsimpson: could you update the proper $latestrelease variables and the default release for !info in #ubuntu
[17:30] <tsimpson> @config plugins.PackageInfo.defaultRelease
[17:30] <tsimpson> should already be done now
[17:30] <jrib> how do I create a ubottu.com/y shorturl for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseNotes ?
[17:31] <Pici> jrib: theres info in -ops-team
[17:31] <jrib> Pici: thanks
[17:35] <jrib> wow
[17:39] <jrib> Pici: so best is to just edit ubottu.com/y/rn to point to the new release notes?
[17:39] <jrib> !notes
[17:39] <jrib> :x
[17:40] <Pici> yep
[17:40] <jrib> cool, did that
[17:41] <jrib> !lts
[17:42] <h00k> www. :(
[17:43] <tsimpson> most factoids should be set already, as long as they use the $cur* variables
[17:44] <jrib> !resolvconf
[17:44] <Pici> ubottu: no releasenotes is <reply> Ubuntu $curStableNum ($curStableLong) release notes can be found here http://ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/$curStableNum
[17:46] <tsimpson> !no quantal is <reply> Ubuntu 12.10 (Quantal Quetzal) is the current stable release of Ubuntu. Download http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.10/ - Release notes: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/12.10
[17:47]  * jrib waits for "www."
[17:48] <Pici> jrib: already removed it ;)
[17:48] <jrib> heh
[17:49] <jrib> hmm, is there a wiki page that talks about resolvconf?  Are there differences in 12.10?
[17:50] <jrib> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.10/serverguide/network-configuration.html#name-resolution closest I could find
[17:51] <jrib> !resolvconf
[17:53] <jrib> !resolvconf =~ "s/$/ and https://help.ubuntu.com/12.10/serverguide/network-configuration.html#name-resolution"
[17:53] <jrib> :9
[17:53] <jrib> !resolvconf =~ "s!$! and https://help.ubuntu.com/12.10/serverguide/network-configuration.html#name-resolution!"
[17:53] <jrib> ha maybe ! is not good
[17:53] <Pici> heh
[17:55] <jrib> !resolvconf
[17:55] <jrib> actually it was my quotes
[17:56] <tsimpson> you don't need to quote the regex /$/ something here/ works fine ;)
[19:50] <IdleOne> !no hashes is <reply> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes for the md5sums of all downloadable Ubuntu releases
[19:55] <guntbert> Hi, are there any questions about my proposal for !hashes ?
[19:56] <IdleOne> already accepted
[19:56] <IdleOne> sorry I forgot to ping you :)
[19:56] <guntbert> IdleOne: no problem - have a nice time :)
[19:57]  * guntbert need not be notified every time :)
[20:56] <LjL> i missed it. first release without PartyBot in some years :(
[20:57] <LjL> IdleOne: i actually saw your request for the bot, but assumed the release was still a few days to come, and really wasn't in the mood to set it up
[21:42] <bkerensa> addressing
[21:47] <bkerensa> iceroot =/
[21:51] <bkerensa> Just a heads up Endafy is now threatening to use a botnet to flood
[21:51] <bkerensa> he is banned from #Ubuntu
[23:06] <AlanBell> hi LjL
[23:27] <bkerensa> ;0
[23:36]  * LjL waves AlanBell hello and goes to bed


[01:13] <Mossyfunk> Hello all =)
[02:53] <tenach> Hello team.
[02:54] <tenach> how does one fix an install when dpkg --configure -a doesn't work?
[02:54] <tenach> dpkg: parse error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0144' near line 0:  newline in field name `#padding'
[05:56] <shahan> Hi
[05:58] <AbhiJit> good morning shadeslayer
[05:58] <AbhiJit> and shahan
[05:58] <AbhiJit> :)
[05:59] <AbhiJit> i was wondering why tab completing is not working with शशान but then i see that its not shashan its shahan! :(
[05:59] <shahan> Its drizzling there for 2 days in BANGLADESH(Dhaka)
[06:00] <AbhiJit> ohhh
[06:00] <AbhiJit> shahan, you from Bangladesh?
[06:01] <shahan> AbhiJit, ya.. ;)
[06:35] <geekosopher> good morning all
[06:37] <geekosopher> extremely impressed by the way debian upgrade (lenny->squeeze) went yesterday, wondering if I would have the same exprerience upgrading my jaunty machine
[07:13] <shahan> is LUBUNTU officially released? by Canonical?
[07:24] <geekosopher> shahan: it seems not. see http://www.ubuntu.com/project/derivatives
[07:26] <shahan> geekosopher, tnx
[07:34] <geekosopher> shahan: always welcome
[07:34] <shahan> geekosopher, :)
[09:35] <Willex> hi
[09:35] <AbhiJit> hi
[09:35] <Willex> is it possible to install only one part of a PPA and leave the rest out?
[09:35] <Willex> so that the rest won't keep coming up as updates
[09:36] <AbhiJit> after insatlling that one part you can disable the ppa
[09:36] <Willex> but won't the system want to downgrade that one installed part?
[09:37] <AbhiJit> no
[09:40] <duanedesign> yep you can only go up :)
[09:51] <Willex> k, thanks bye :)
[09:52] <AbhiJit> bye
[12:02] <AbhiJit> any good rss reader/
[12:38] <geekosopher> AbhiJit: google reader is what I prefer
[12:38] <AbhiJit> ohh ok thanks teek
[12:39] <AbhiJit> :
[12:39] <AbhiJit> :(
[12:39] <AbhiJit> i mean geekosopher
[12:40] <geekosopher> AbhiJit: what do you use right now?
[12:40] <AbhiJit> yarssr
[12:41] <AbhiJit> see this geekosopher
[12:41] <AbhiJit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yarssr/+bug/656817
[12:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 656817 in yarssr (Ubuntu) "yarssr dont support Devanagari (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[12:42] <geekosopher> i prefer a online reader so that I can keep tabs on my read from any machine
[12:44] <AbhiJit> hmm
[17:14] <shahan> I want to convert ASCII pdf file to UNICODE pdf. As I want to use the search option of the pdf reader.
[17:19] <genupulas> shahan,
[17:19] <genupulas> shahan, : i am not getting
[17:20] <aveilleux> shahan: I thought all PDF files were in unicode
[17:20] <shahan> aveilleux: no... I have some in ASCII in bengali language
[17:21] <shahan> genupulas: I have some PDF files which are in ASCII
[17:23] <genupulas> shahan, so do you wanna convert them to pdf code
[17:23] <shahan> in a big PDF file we are to use SEARCH option to find any thing easily...
[17:23] <shahan> genupulas: no...
[17:24] <shahan> genupulas: already these files are in pdf
[17:24] <geekosopher> my oh my, I thought this is ubuntu-beginners channel, but looks like I got into ubuntu-experts channel ;)
[17:25] <genupulas> shahan, sorry i'm still in doubt
[17:25] <shahan> genupulas: as UBUNTU doesnt support ASCII writting. its very tough for me to find out on these PDF
[17:26] <shahan> genupulas: got the point?
[17:26] <Aitrus41> Anyone know where I can go to get help with the Alpine email client?
[17:26] <genupulas> shahan, ...yes
[17:28] <genupulas> Aitrus41, google that
[17:28] <geekosopher> Aitrus41: I hope you have already visited http://www.washington.edu/alpine/
[17:29] <Aitrus41> Yeah I have... having trouble with SMTP and can't find the answer anywhere so far
[17:29] <Aitrus41> hoping to chat with someone who could look at the settings and see what's wrong
[17:30] <geekosopher> Aitrus41: go ahead and ask the question, anyone who knows the answer will definitely help you
[17:34] <Aitrus41> I'm trying to send mail over port 587 from my work email using Alpine but I keep getting the error "Error sending: Can not authenticate to SMTP server: 334 OK. Continue authentication". I can read mail fine, I Just can't send it.  Here are the settings: http://pastebin.com/FzaynLnK
[17:36] <Aitrus41> In Outlook, I check "My outgoing server requires authentication" and I check off "Use same settings as my incoming mail settings" and that grabs mail fine, if that helps
[19:05] <ehcah> Hello. I'm trying to run an application using wine. If su to root, I can run it from terminal. As myself, I get "wine: /home/jason/.wine is not owned by you".
[19:05] <ehcah> gone to my /.wine directory and ran ls -l. Everything appears to be owned by me?
[19:07] <Mjiig> can you run ls -lA | grep wine
[19:07] <Mjiig> from your home dir
[19:08] <ehcah> drwxrwxrwx  4 jason jason  4096 2010-10-08 15:07 .wine
[19:08] <Mjiig> and tell us what it says the folder is owned by
[19:09] <aveilleux> ehcah: Something you can do is sudo chown -r jason:jason /home/jason/.wine/
[19:09] <aveilleux> Er
[19:09] <aveilleux> chown -R
[19:09] <ehcah> I actually did that about 20 minutes ago.
[19:09] <aveilleux> Weird
[19:09] <ehcah> I did not get an error message, but it did not seem to make a different.
[19:09] <ehcah> difference.
[19:10] <ehcah> Man. I can not type today.
[19:10] <aveilleux> ehcah: That's pretty weird...
[19:10] <ehcah> I have a security camera application that will only run under windows.
[19:11] <ehcah> The web browser requires a functional "ie tab" which is not available for any of the linux browsers.
[19:11] <ehcah> Wine is my best shot. Too bad I've been dry since April!  ;)
[19:12] <aveilleux> ehcah: ...I slap you with feesh for that
[19:12] <ehcah> I don't understand why I can open the application using either the wine command or a script from terminal once I've become root. As myself, I'
[19:12] <ehcah> I can not.
[19:12] <ehcah> LO
[19:12] <ehcah> LOL
[19:13] <aveilleux> ehcah: Do other WINE programs run fine? ex. Notepad
[19:14] <aveilleux> ehcah: Something else you can try is to run the program from a different directory
[19:14] <ehcah> Right now, I can use wine "/home/jason/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/D9-Viewer.exe" from terminal once root.
[19:15] <aveilleux> ehcah: Yes but do other programs run under WINE as jason?
[19:15] <ehcah> If not root wine "/home/jason/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/D9-Viewer.exe" gives me nothing  and simply adding "sudo" wine "/home/jason/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/D9-Viewer.exe" tells me I don't own the dir.
[19:16] <ehcah> I just opened Notepad from the short cut under Applications.
[19:16] <ehcah> So, I guess, yes.
[19:16] <aveilleux> Okay.
[19:16] <aveilleux> ehcah: Move that program directory to your home dir and try it from there
[19:16] <ehcah> I've tried installing this app through the WINE gui, without success. Running the command I pasted above is the only way I can get it workign.
[19:16] <aveilleux> Wait a sec
[19:16] <ehcah> Simply pull it forward?
[19:17] <ehcah> k.
[19:17] <aveilleux> The exe is located right in Program Files?
[19:17] <ehcah> yes.
[19:17] <ehcah> I placed it there.
[19:18] <ehcah> The original *.exe spit out the run.exe and uninstall.exe files and I chose to place them in that folder.
[19:18] <aveilleux> There are no other files associated with the program?
[19:18] <aveilleux> as in, it's standalone
[19:19] <ehcah> The first time I tried to run it, it was missing some .dll's. I ran an MS patch, and now it works.
[19:19] <aveilleux> I sre
[19:19] <aveilleux> See*
[19:19] <ehcah> I beleive they were installed under the same directories though.
[19:19] <aveilleux> Try placing the executable in your home dir and running it from there
[19:20] <ehcah> just a sec.
[19:23] <ehcah> No dice as "jason" with and without sudo in front. I get wine: /home/jason/.wine is not owned by you
[19:23] <aveilleux> Oh then it's a wine config problem.
[19:24] <aveilleux> ehcah: Do you have any other WINE programs?
[19:24] <ehcah> nope.
[19:24] <ehcah> This was the first besides notepad.
[19:24] <aveilleux> Try this, then.
[19:25] <aveilleux> sudo aptitude purge wine && rm -r ~/.wine && sudo aptitude install wine
[19:25] <aveilleux> Then run winecfg
[19:26] <aveilleux> That'll completely uninstall then reinstall WINE
[19:26] <ehcah> running now. I thought about that. Would apt-get autoremove wine have worked?
[19:26] <aveilleux> Autoremove is a different command.
[19:27] <ehcah> ok. I wasn't sure.
[19:27] <aveilleux> Aptitude automatically runs autoremove every time it runs
[19:27] <ehcah> ok. I had a lot of problems building an HTPC a few weeks ago and getting LIRC and imon working.
[19:28] <ehcah> installed, removed a lot.
[19:28] <ehcah> I've got winecfg open.
[19:28] <aveilleux> ehcah: Head over to the "Audio" tab, just to get that automagically set up
[19:29] <aveilleux> ehcah: Then you can hit "Apply" and close it
[19:29] <ehcah> There is no audio driver currently specified in the registry?
[19:29] <ehcah> workign now.
[19:29] <aveilleux> ehcah: Yes that.
[19:29] <ehcah> ok. It's closed now.
[19:30] <aveilleux> ehcah: What's the name of the executable file?
[19:30] <ehcah> D9-Viewer.exe
[19:31] <aveilleux> ehcah: Run sudo chown jason:jason ~/D9-Viewer.exe
[19:32] <ehcah> done
[19:33] <aveilleux> ehcah: Now try wine start /home/jason/D9-Viewer.exe
[19:34] <ehcah> err:module:import_dll Library CovH264ToAvi.dll (which is needed by L"Z:\\home\\jason\\D9-Viewer.exe") not found
[19:34] <ehcah> err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for L"Z:\\home\\jason\\D9-Viewer.exe" failed, status c0000135
[19:34] <aveilleux> You may have to run that Windows patch again
[19:34] <ehcah> I'm looking for it. I hope I kept it.
[19:34] <aveilleux> !pastebin | ehcah
[19:34] <ubot2> ehcah: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.
[19:34] <ehcah> Sorry man.
[19:34] <ehcah> I usually do use pastebin.
[19:34] <aveilleux> No problem
[19:34] <ehcah> It was one long line in my screen.
[19:35] <aveilleux> WINE usually reports errors on separate lines
[19:35] <aveilleux> Now you know
[19:36] <ehcah> yeah.
[19:36] <ehcah> I'll have to find that patch.exe again.
[19:36] <ehcah> When I find it. Do I run it from terminal using the wine command?
[19:36] <ehcah> Might as well install it correctly this time.
[19:36] <aveilleux> Hang on a sec
[19:36] <ehcah> k.
[19:39] <aveilleux> ehcah: Can you link where you got the patch?
[19:40] <ehcah> I have to find it first. I wish Chrome in Linux was as easy as in Windows7 to find past links...
[19:41] <aveilleux> ehcah: Doesn't ctrl-H bring up the history?
[19:43] <ehcah> I did it the hard way. I vaguely remembered it coming from support.microsoft.... and starting looking for auto completes.
[19:43] <ehcah> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/259403
[19:43] <ehcah> It is more information. I beleive that is the file I downloaded.
[19:44] <aveilleux> Ah, the VC redist
[19:45] <aveilleux> Yea, you'll want to do wine start <name of executable>
[19:45] <ehcah> I'm about 99% that is is.
[19:45] <ehcah> from the ~/Download folder?
[19:46] <ehcah> and obviously as "jason" not "root".
[19:46] <aveilleux> ehcah: Sure, it doesn't really matter where you run it from
[19:46] <aveilleux> Yes.
[19:47] <ehcah> It's asking me where I want to place the extracted files?
[19:47] <aveilleux> There's never any reason to run anything in WINE as root
[19:47] <ehcah> I'm paranoid now.  :(
[19:47] <ehcah> I know - now.  :(
[19:47] <aveilleux> C:/Windows/system32
[19:47] <aveilleux> Should go there
[19:47] <ehcah> k.
[19:47] <aveilleux> dll files always go into system32
[19:48] <ehcah> I can't get to it. Their Browse Tree only shows regular files and directories. Not hidden. Ctrl+H doesn't expand it.
[19:49] <aveilleux> ehcah: As... A Windows file? It should just be c:
[19:49] <aveilleux> ehcah: Don't be in Z:
[19:49] <ehcah> Ok, so back in my Win7 folder?
[19:50] <aveilleux> ehcah: What are you talking about?
[19:50] <ehcah> My goal is to completely rebuild this laptop as 100% linux once I know everything works.
[19:50] <ehcah> I'm on a dual boot.
[19:50] <aveilleux> ehcah: The
[19:50] <ehcah> C:/ is my actual Win 7 folders...
[19:50] <aveilleux> .....
[19:51] <aveilleux> That's not how it should appear to WINE
[19:51] <aveilleux> Linux handles drives completely differently than Windows
[19:51] <ehcah> fonr
[19:51] <ehcah> done.
[19:52] <aveilleux> The "C:\" in WINE is a pointer to ~/.wine/drive_c/
[19:52] <aveilleux> It's not related to your actual Windows partition
[19:53] <ehcah> The files are under c:/Windows/system32
[19:53] <aveilleux> Now try running the original program
[19:53] <aveilleux> wine start D9-Viewer.exe
[19:54] <ehcah> same error as before the update.
[19:54] <aveilleux> Then that patch was the incorrect one
[19:55] <ehcah> It's all I added.
[19:56] <aveilleux> I have to go, I'll be back in about 20 minutes
[19:56] <aveilleux> Then I'll be at an actual computer and I can help you better
[19:56] <ehcah> I don't think I dare take anymore of your time. I'll leave this channel open though.
[19:57] <aveilleux> Well I was actually just in class :P
[19:58] <ehcah> Oh man. I thought I was bad that I am supposed to be working, on the laptop to my immediate right!  :)
[20:17] <aveilleux> ehcah: ping
[20:34] <ehcah> Hello
[20:34] <ehcah> Came back from the Dead.
[20:34] <ehcah> I like your exit message.
[20:51] <Kentrel> Hey, I haven't run linux for a while, but I haven't changed anything, but suddenly my wacom tablet isn't working
[20:51] <Kentrel> Its plugged in, but doesn't work