[04:06] <delire> maggi: cool, type the command i said above. we're going to look at the file with an editor called vim. you'll need to follow instructions exactly
[04:06] <pat910> still sez there ain't no such animal -- .usr/sbin/als (tab) shows only alsactl
[04:06] <Flonne> Replacing gedit with any appropriate editor.
[04:06] <delire> maggi: are you sure you don't have gedit?
[04:06] <pat910> drop the .
[04:06] <peyre> Scizzo - OK, I change my sources.list and run apt-get update. Then I run dist-upgrade.
[04:06] <maggi> I have gedit
[04:06] <Hansiman> prego: the two disks are not connected to the MB itself, but to an IDE-card
[04:06] <delire> maggi: great, then we'll use that.
[04:06] <delire> maggi: 'gedit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4'
[04:06] <Hansiman> which worked yesterday, only thing that's different now, if that I changed my videocard
[04:07] <peyre> The files download and then it runs "checking changelog."
[04:07] <prego> Hansiman: Oh, then I can't help you since I've never faced that kind of configuration...
[04:07] <delire> maggi: scroll down to the section called 'Monitor'
[04:07] <{joey}> quake2 giving me hassles, anyone recognize LoadLibrary("ref_softx.so") failed: No such file or directory
[04:07] <prego> Hansiman: *perhaps* the videcoard has same interrupt than the IDE-card controller ???
[04:07] <peyre> After that, I get the following error: dpkg-deb: file `/var/cache/apt/archives/diveintopython_5.4-1ubuntu1_all.deb' contains ununderstood data member data.tar.bz2    , giving up
[04:07] <maggi> ok
[04:07] <delire> {joey}: you likely already have it, but it's in the wrong place. may need to make a symlink
[04:08] <scizzo> peyre: apt-get -f install
[04:08] <delire> {joey}: i've had this.
[04:08] <maggi> Section "Monitor"
[04:08] <maggi> 	Identifier	"Generic Monitor"
[04:08] <maggi> 	HorizSync	28-33
[04:08] <maggi> 	VertRefresh	43-72
[04:08] <maggi> 	Option		"DPMS"
[04:08] <scizzo> peyre: type that once
[04:08] <bwlang> i just read a bit on newsforge about recording a network stream... and it gave me an idea.  I like to listen to "science friday" on npr but i'm usually working when it's on. is there some nice open source app to allow me to "tivo" it?
[04:08] <scizzo> peyre: see if something with that command helps...
[04:08] <peyre> When do I type it. The upgrade chokes at that point and spits out a bunch of text.
[04:08] <delire> maggi: hmm, actually it will be under 'Screen'. you should have entries like "
[04:09] <prego> maggi: that monitor can do only low resolutions, AFAIK
[04:09] <scizzo> peyre: you type it when the apt-get is being failed
[04:09] <maggi> it can do up to 1076xsomething...
[04:09] <delire> maggi: Modes       "1400x1050" "1280x960" "1024x768" "800x600"
[04:09] <Flonne> It's also limited to low refresh rates.
[04:09] <maggi> ok them
[04:09] <scizzo> peyre: just like you would do when doing upgrade or something
[04:09] <maggi> delire I fount it
[04:10] <delire> maggi: i have "DefaultDepth 24" what do you have?
[04:10] <peyre> Then would I do this:  sudo apt-get upgrade -f (as in force)
[04:10] <maggi> I have same
[04:10] <delire> maggi: your bitdepth may be wrong for your what your system can handle
[04:10] <Dave2|Laptop> -f is fix, rather than force, isn't it?
[04:10] <scizzo> peyre: no
[04:10] <scizzo> peyre: apt-get -f install
[04:10] <delire> maggi: first save that file as XF86Config-4_backup
[04:11] <delire> maggi: then change that line to "DefaultDepth 16"
[04:11] <maggi> ok
[04:11] <delire> maggi: make sure you edit the original file though.
[04:11] <peyre> scizzo, after  i get that error, the buffer in terminal clears and I get a bunch of text. I would have to close terminal and restart it.
[04:11] <delire> eek
[04:12] <delire> pat910: any luck with alsaconf?
[04:12] <scizzo> peyre: just start a new terminal then
[04:12] <pat910> *$#@ no
[04:12] <onkarshinde> Can anyone tell me meaning of this?
[04:12] <onkarshinde> Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address f000ff53 printing eip: c0122c53 *pde = 00000000 Oops: 0002 [#1]  PREEMPT Modules linked in:
[04:12] <pat910> ;-(
[04:12] <maggi> ups
[04:12] <peyre> OH, leave the one that is stuck open and open a second one?
[04:12] <delire> pat910: damn. what does 'whereis alsaconf' say?
[04:12] <pat910> beats the heck out of me
[04:13] <maggi> delire: would it help you by saying that I have a LCD screen
[04:13] <delire> maggi: hehe yes.
[04:13] <pat910> have done updadb .. installed mc and looked that way .. it just doesn't exist
[04:13] <maggi> Integrated Graphics Device"
[04:13] <maggi> 	Monitor		"Generic Monitor"
[04:13] <maggi> 	DefaultDepth	16
[04:13] <maggi> 	SubSection "Display"
[04:13] <pat910> nothing I get   alsaconf:
[04:13] <stacey> how do you change mouse double-click/single-click behavior?
[04:13] <delire> pat910: shit
[04:13] <scizzo> peyre: try it
[04:14] <pat910> that's what I said ..
[04:14] <peyre> OK, I will. Thanks.
[04:14] <delire> pat910: i'm not on ubuntu here. i think it may be time to take your machine toward Debian, with a few new entries in your /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:14] <pat910> is this where I go find a copy of redhot's sndconfg ? N O T
[04:14] <delire> pat910: then we can be sure you can get this alsaconf tool. it fixes this issue in a jiffy
[04:14] <jaku> hi, how can i re-start the automount ?
[04:15] <pat910> I added all the extra ubunto sourcses already .. to get mc
[04:15] <delire> pat910: yeah, how about adding
[04:15] <delire> pat910: deb ftp://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main
[04:15] <maggi> ok what after that? delire
[04:16] <delire> pat910: then update and upgrade alsa-utils to get alsaconf
[04:16] <delire> maggi: have you saved that file?
[04:16] <maggi> yes
[04:16] <pat910> testing or sid?
[04:16] <delire> maggi: ok then exit 'X"
[04:16] <delire> pat910: same thing
[04:16] <delire> pat910: in this case.
[04:16] <maggi> exit X?
[04:17] <pat910> testing=sarge unstable=sid .. or so I thought?
[04:17] <pat910> k
[04:17] <maggi> how do I exit that?
[04:17] <delire> maggi: log out and back in again.
[04:17] <maggi> ahh I see
[04:17] <delire> pat910: no i mean that ubuntu is close to testing
[04:17] <delire> pat910: hence "same thing"
[04:18] <apokryphos> delire: the terminology on Ubuntu is different to Debian
[04:18] <delire> apokryphos: on my debian testing box i find package versions very close and compatible with ubuntu
[04:19] <delire> pat910: it won't hurt, just to get this one package and then you can always remove that entry
[04:19] <black_Nightmare> hey there
[04:19] <delire> pat910: however testing + ubuntu are quite compatible.
[04:19] <apokryphos> delire: I agree; Ubuntu has a Debian backbone; but, the terminology with "unstable"/"testing" is slightly different. Hoary now, for example, is still technically "in developement" (unstable) until official release
[04:19] <apokryphos> though RC is out today
[04:19] <pat910> crap synaptic choked on that entry, let me just edit the sources.list brb
[04:20] <maggi> ok I'm back and it didn't work
[04:20] <delire> apokryphos: sure, but debian unstable is less compatible with the base pacakges of ubuntu that testing AFAIK
[04:20] <delire> maggi: what happened?
[04:20] <javiolo> when warty will be updated to hoary ?
[04:20] <maggi> nothing
[04:20] <maggi> just same
[04:20] <Ede_KK> hi all
[04:20] <apokryphos> delire: I'm not talking about compatibility at all =). Only terminology.
[04:20] <delire> maggi: did it just take you to a log in screen again? how about a more dramatic approach. <CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE>
[04:20] <apokryphos> javiolo: RC is out today
[04:20] <delire> apokryphos: you're right
[04:20] <apokryphos> javiolo: official out on the 6th.
[04:21] <maggi> I did also try the ctrl-alt-backspace thing
[04:21] <delire> maggi: ok back to the config
[04:21] <javiolo> apokryphos I use warty, do I need to download the iso of hoary to install it or I can update my system via synaptic ?
[04:21] <delire> maggi: we need to look for the line that says "640x480" under the section for 16 bit
[04:22] <apokryphos> javiolo: You can update right from there -- through apt :). The majority of people in here have done so quite some time ago
[04:22] <maggi> yes
[04:22] <maggi> delire: Yes
[04:22] <apokryphos> Pyre: tell javiolo ubuhoary
[04:22] <Pyre> javiolo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GuideToHoary
[04:22] <maggi> :p
[04:22] <delire> maggi: see it?
[04:22] <maggi> yes
[04:22] <maggi> 1152x864" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[04:22] <jaku> is there someting like supermount?
[04:22] <delire> maggi: remove that first entry "1152x864" and try a restart of X
[04:23] <black_Nightmare> maggi..heh I'm using 1152x864 @ 70Hz on my own pc (not this one but its the same mointor thou) ;)
[04:23] <black_Nightmare> kinda like that one
[04:23] <maggi> k
[04:23] <maggi> brb then
[04:24] <dwa_> ugh!
[04:25] <AcidWolf> this is probably gonna sound like a really out of place question but um has anyone in here done or is doing a BS degree in IT
[04:25] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[04:25] <HrdwrBoB> no
[04:25] <AcidWolf> im thinking of doing one
[04:25] <HrdwrBoB> I dropped out
[04:25] <AcidWolf> :)
[04:25] <AcidWolf> lol
[04:25] <maggi> delire: that didn't work. I also removed the 640x480 one
[04:26] <maggi> :p
[04:26] <delire> maggi: do you have two X configs in /etc/X11/?
[04:26] <garrut> a bullshit degree?
[04:26] <AcidWolf> yeah
[04:26] <AcidWolf> thats the one
[04:26] <AcidWolf> :p
[04:26] <HrdwrBoB> AcidWolf: ok here's the deal
[04:26] <HrdwrBoB> the learning in an IT degree means SFA
[04:27] <maggi> I have XFconfig86 and the backup
[04:27] <HrdwrBoB> the paper is worth something
[04:27] <delire> maggi: my advice would be to ask black_Nightmare to send you his XF86Config-4 so that you can compare it to your own.
[04:27] <HrdwrBoB> as long as it's vaguely IT related then you're fine
[04:27] <maggi> can I send it to you so you could check it out? delire
[04:27] <pat910> apt-get upgrade apt-utils      eeek ..            295 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 27 not upgraded.
[04:27] <delire> maggi: ok, well I think you'll need to look at another config I'm afraid, it's just too hard for me to diagnose from here. I think your problem is now refresh rates.
[04:27] <AcidWolf> so basiclly any degree that is it related is a bonus
[04:27] <pat910> no way hoza
[04:28] <delire> maggi: I think you should compare it to black_Nightmare's. he has the same monitor.
[04:28] <delire> maggi: it's silly that the upgrade overwrote your perfectly good one. it shouldn't be this way. you should tell the Ubuntu developers it happened.
[04:29] <black_Nightmare> umm delire... I'm not exactly sure what kind of mointor this is (borrowing it from family's computer for my pc sometimes) .. its a hp pavilion mx70 -- whatever kind of rebadge that is
[04:29] <maggi> ok. I have an acer travelmate t290 laptop
[04:29] <maggi> ok I will
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> um
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> if you upgraded to hoary
[04:29] <Ede_KK> i try to install hoary on a compaq pentium2  400 mhz
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> it's not using XF86Config
[04:29] <pat910> installing just that one pkg ..
[04:29] <black_Nightmare> ede_kk..and?
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> it's using xorg.conf
[04:29] <HrdwrBoB> that would be why
[04:29] <delire> pat910: it's up to you. right now 'apt-cache search alsaconf' to see if you now have a package listing for it
[04:29] <pat910> Preparing to replace alsa-utils 1.0.8-1ubuntu1 (using .../alsa-utils_1.0.8-4_i386.deb)
[04:29] <maggi> delire: thanks anyway
[04:29] <Ede_KK> it hangs after ACPI: Lookin for DSDT in initrd... not found
[04:30] <black_Nightmare> ede_kk...ughh dunno but then I had some shutdown random error issue till I added ACPI=off to the grub.conf so it might be same to you
[04:30] <black_Nightmare> acpi never existed on older motherboards it seem (as far as I know)
[04:31] <LordGrunt> hello
[04:31] <Ede_KK> i tried linux pci=noacpi
[04:32] <delire> maggi: also, make sure you don't have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:32] <LordGrunt> last system upgrade had changed my kde language to default english, despite i have installed my langpack. how can i switch back to my localisation?
[04:32] <delire> HrdwrBoB: is xorg.conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf on an ubuntu machine?
[04:32] <black_Nightmare> ede_kk you need ACPI=off I think
[04:32] <Ede_KK> black_Nightmare  i get a kernel panic when i try linux ACPI=off
[04:32] <HrdwrBoB> delire: eyes
[04:33] <black_Nightmare> hmm...thats strange
[04:33] <black_Nightmare> ede_kk you mind doing one thing?
[04:34] <Ede_KK> of course
[04:35] <Ede_KK> black_Nightmare tell me
[04:36] <black_Nightmare> hm damn..I forgot..anyone know the name for that other linux channel?  (it was 3 letters long, started with a 'l' I'm sure)
[04:36] <LordGrunt> hmm, about my question, pls?
[04:37] <black_Nightmare> one second ok ede_KK?
[04:38] <prego> LordGrunt: using gdm or kdm?
[04:38] <delire> pat910: where are you upto?
[04:38] <Ede_KK> np
[04:38] <prego> LordGrunt: because in gdm you can choose the languaje or the user session... I guess that in KDM you can do that also
[04:38] <delire> pat910: can you 'lspci | grep audio' for me?
[04:39] <delire> maggi: a live CD with a 'realtime installer'
[04:39] <maggi> ok
[04:39] <LordGrunt> prego: kde, but think i found reason, package was outdated
[04:39] <delire> maggi: make sure you grab 3.3 if you want to check it out
[04:39] <keyhack> Has anyone been able to install the fglrx ATI driver that's available on ATI's website in Ubuntu?
[04:39] <maggi> I bought this linux magazine the other day at the airport, and I think it had a mepis on it
[04:40] <pat910> ok we got a card installed cs4236 .. but totum still pops up ans sez can't play and music player sez it needs a module to play a pm3 ... sigh ..
[04:40] <keyhack> Ubuntu has 8.8.25 and ATI has fglrx 8.10.19
[04:40] <andril> hey now - hell all
[04:40] <pat910> it's an onboard sound and alsa-config had to do isa to get it
[04:40] <huring> anyone tried to use GPRS with a T630 in ubuntu?
[04:41] <peyre> scizzo, are you still here?
[04:41] <pat910> huge out put with lsmod  | grep snd
[04:42] <pat910>  /me considers going to get xmms
[04:42] <black_Nightmare> ede_kk what did you said you tried to use before?  (the 'pci=' something line)
[04:42] <roo__> pat910, try beep-media-player
[04:42] <pat910> I shouldn't have to restart my user should I?
[04:43] <pat910> beep-media-player: command not found
[04:43] <delire> pat910: cool at least alsaconf worked
[04:43] <pat910> yea .. progress
[04:43] <pat910> I shouldn't have to restart my user should I?
[04:43] <delire> pat910: is the module it need libmp3lame?
[04:43] <delire> pat910: naw
[04:43] <pat910> just said needed a module for mp3
[04:43] <delire> maggi: i think your refresh rates are too low.
[04:43] <black_Nightmare> ede_kk you there?
[04:43] <delire> pat910: i bet is was libmp3lame.so
[04:44] <maggi> delire: how do I change them? I can't change it in the GUI
[04:44] <peyre> i need some help with an upgrade to hoary
[04:44] <Ede_KK> i tried pci=noacpi with the same result
[04:44] <black_Nightmare> oh ok ty
[04:44] <roo__> huring, tried installing gnome-bluetooth?
[04:44] <Ede_KK> i tried noapic nolapic
[04:44] <pat910> no plugin .. not module .. my bad
[04:45] <black_Nightmare> what did you said about when I asked you about ACPI=off? (sorry sometimes my memory is bad lol)
[04:45] <pat910> didn't specify the needed plugin
[04:45] <delire> maggi: i seem to remember ubuntu has a gui X/display-configurator of some kind, perhaps display settings or similar in the system config tools.
[04:46] <Ede_KK> :)
[04:46] <delire> pat910: try xmms
[04:46] <Ede_KK> kernel panic
[04:46] <delire> pat910: or 'apt-get install audacity' and try then
[04:46] <maggi> yes. it's called the screen resolution tool, and that one isn't working
[04:46] <huring> roo_ need irDA connectivity - old laptop...
[04:47] <roo__> huring, ah, no can help then, sorry :(
[04:48] <peyre> I could use some help.
[04:48] <Ede_KK> black_Nightmare i get a kernel panic or what do you mean?
[04:48] <maggi> delire: can I change the refresh rate somehow in terminal / the config file?
[04:48] <delire> maggi: i think you should try these settings " HorizSync 30 - 82" and "VertRefresh 50 - 70"
[04:49] <delire> maggi: ^^
[04:49] <pat910> hang on looking around the available options here .. * and trying to use synaptic's front end to get back to ubuntus sources list
[04:49] <keyhack> Has anyone been able to install the fglrx ATI driver that's available on ATI's website in Ubuntu? Ubuntu has 8.8.25 and ATI has fglrx 8.10.19
[04:49] <huring> roo_ no worries, haven't really tried yet, still waiting for gnome to install :-)
[04:49] <delire> pat910: one line to your sources.list can make your multimedia life alot easier with ubuntu.
[04:50] <peyre> Has anyone had problems upgrading to hoary from warty?
[04:50] <delire> pat910: this repo has all the video and audio codecs under the sun. also good rippers. interested?
[04:51] <delire> pat910:
[04:51] <delire> pat910:  deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main
[04:51] <delire> ^^^ has dvdrip, all the win32 codecs and a ton of audio compression/decompression codecs. it's non-free but excellent
[04:52] <pat910> fine by me .. this install is for a friend .. he wants to play with linux .. I wanted to keep it kinda stock .. but functonal <g> .. I runn .. uh .. another distro lol
[04:54] <dockane> x-chat has problemds
[04:56] <peyre> Please someone help with upgrading from warty to hoary.
[04:56] <delire> maggi: any luck?
[04:56] <maggi> thanks very much for the help delire! it works now :D:D:D
[04:56] <delire> hehe great ;)
[04:56] <maggi> yeah
[04:56] <Xappe> dockane: problems?
[04:56] <maggi> thanks alot man
[04:56] <delire> maggi: to avoid this happening again, make sure you BACKUP THAT FILE ;)
[04:56] <black_Nightmare> ede_kk go to #LFD ok?
[04:56] <eyequeue> peyre:  state the actual problem
[04:56] <delire> maggi: if you have a stupid overwrite next upgrade, at least you'll be able to go back to this working one.
[04:57] <maggi> yeah I will
[04:57] <delire> maggi: cool, enjoy. it's a good distro.
[04:57] <kev0r> i've my bluetooth dongle plugged in the usb, when using gnome-usb thingy, it does not seem to locate any of my USB devices, need i install the dongle or something?
[04:57] <black_Nightmare> hope you're reading that ede_kk I'm leaving this channel now
[04:57] <nedwasp> hey all, i'm on ubuntu hoary and i can't seem to get realplayer to work, but helix no problem...is there a way to get helix to play rp files?
[04:57] <black_Nightmare> bye now
[04:57] <Ede_KK> hi all
[04:58] <peyre> eye, the upgrade aborts with the following error: dpkg-deb: file `/var/cache/apt/archives/diveintopython_5.4-1ubuntu1_all.deb' contains ununderstood data member data.tar.bz2    , giving up
[04:58] <Ede_KK> hi all
[04:58] <peyre> adding the -f does not help
[04:58] <kev0r> so nobody with USB experiance here?
[04:59] <eyequeue> peyre:  package is installed properly here
[04:59] <eyequeue> peyre:  rm the file and let it fetch it anew
[05:00] <peyre> eyequeue: I've tried everything. How do I rm the file from the cache?
[05:00] <eyequeue> peyre:  sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/diveintopython_5.4-1ubuntu1_all.deb
[05:01] <eyequeue> peyre:  follow that with sudo apt-get --reinstall install diveintopython
[05:01] <delire> eyequeue: here here ;)
[05:01] <peyre> eyequeue: ok, hang on while I try that.
[05:02] <dockane> xappe : yes, i installed the blowfish script from fish.secure and now my ae oe and ue dont work anymore. this problem is known by the developer. is there a possibillity to automatically make  to ae ?
[05:02] <eyequeue> peyre:  sure
[05:02] <Kikyo1> Greetings everyone :)
[05:02] <Kikyo1> Does anyone here know how to get network play for Baldur's Gate working on Cedega? It doesn't seem to find any IPX protocols, so all the buttons are grey and unuseable when I go to the multiplayer menu..
[05:03] <Kikyo1> I've tried some forums and google searches, but I still havn't found much help when it comes to the multiplayer part. In singleplayer it runs just fine
[05:04] <Xappe> dockane: hmm, I don't know. remove the script? :)
[05:05] <peyre> eyequeue: I got the same error, but then it did something else.
[05:05] <plagerism> What version of fglrx is currently in the restricted modules package??
[05:05] <eyequeue> peyre:  what would that be?
[05:06] <Kikyo1> I take it as noone here knows the solution to my problem ? *rolls a die to see if he scores a knowledgable person; or a question-critical-miss..*
[05:06] <peyre> eyequeue: peyre@PTL-Mobile:~ $ sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/diveintopython_5.4-1ubuntu1_all.deb
[05:06] <peyre> Password:
[05:06] <peyre> peyre@PTL-Mobile:~ $ sudo apt-get --reinstall install diveintopython
[05:06] <peyre> Reading Package Lists... Done
[05:06] <peyre> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[05:06] <peyre> The following extra packages will be installed:
[05:06] <peyre>   dpkg
[05:06] <peyre> The following packages will be upgraded:
[05:06] <peyre>   diveintopython dpkg
[05:06] <Kikyo1> Meh.. 2 on a D20 doesn't look to promising. ;)
[05:06] <peyre> 2 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 950 not upgraded.
[05:06] <peyre> Need to get 348kB/2081kB of archives.
[05:06] <peyre> After unpacking 1516kB of additional disk space will be used.
[05:06] <peyre> Do you want to continue? [Y/n]  y
[05:06] <peyre> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main diveintopython 5.4-1ubuntu1 [348kB]
[05:07] <peyre> Fetched 348kB in 12s (28.4kB/s)
[05:07] <peyre> dpkg-deb: file `/var/cache/apt/archives/diveintopython_5.4-1ubuntu1_all.deb' contains ununderstood data member data.tar.bz2    , giving up
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[05:07] <eyequeue> argh
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[05:07] <eyequeue> stop
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[05:07] <StR> STOP FLOADING!!!!
[05:07] <tritium> peyre, don't paste here
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[05:07] <peyre> peyre@PTL-Mobile:~ $
[05:07] <StR> \kick peyre
[05:07] <eyequeue> the answer was "it upgraded dpkg too"
[05:07] <peyre> oooppps sory
[05:07] <delire> peyre: don't do that again. it's really rude
[05:07] <Kikyo1> They should add an anti-spam script here..
[05:07] <Kikyo1> :P
[05:07] <delire> peyre: see #flood
[05:08] <peyre> I am sorry - eyequeue asked for the output. Sorry.
[05:08] <eyequeue> peyre: no, i sked what it did, but anywy, let's move on
[05:08] <StR> peyre: LOL.. and if eyequeue asks for a   rm -Rf /    you do it too   ;)
[05:08] <peyre> OK, what should I do now?
[05:09] <eyequeue> peyre:  apparently your old dpkg package couldn't handle bzip2, just gzip, but the new can.  sooooo, plese try one more time (sorry) running sudo apt-get --reinstall install diveintopython
[05:09] <Quinn_Storm> hmm, what's diveintopython btw?
[05:10] <delire> an excellent guide to learning the similarly excellent interprested programming language http://python.org
[05:10] <eyequeue> Quinn_Storm:  basically a nifty book teaching the python language, i recommend it
[05:10] <Quinn_Storm> eyequeue: cool, though I already know python mostly
[05:11] <peyre> eyequeue: Ok, that seemed to work. No errors anyway. Now, should I run dist-upgrade again?
[05:12] <eyequeue> peyre:  yes, you managed to notice a problem though, so please consider reporting it on bugzilla so they cn fix it in time for the final release on 8 april
[05:13] <eyequeue> now did i do alright enugh to earn my first cup of coffee for the day? :)  brb
[05:13] <peyre> eyequeue: yes, I will do so. Thank you for your help. Have yourself a cup of java. :-)
[05:14] <rayen> hi, is hoary a testing release?
[05:16] <eyequeue> rayen:  hoary is the cirrent development branch, which is sceduled to go final on 8 april
[05:16] <rayen> oh
[05:17] <rayen> so if i want to download Ubuntu I should download the warty install release?
[05:17] <StR> rayen: no.. you can use hoary
[05:17] <StR> rayen: I have hoary
[05:17] <eyequeue> rayen:  your choice, but many including myself run hoary, ... that said, there are still bugs in hoary, as evidenced above
[05:17] <Quinn_Storm> rayen: I'd advise hoary myself, its more up-to-date and really runs just fine in 99%+ of cases
[05:18] <Bazzi> there will always be bugs
[05:18] <rayen> ah, but there will be bugfixes for the problems soon right?
[05:18] <StR> yes...
[05:18] <Quinn_Storm> I'll put it this way.  hoary has no -more- bugs than the average windows install, and the bugfixes tend to come fast and furious compared to ms's lazy pace :-P
[05:18] <rayen> lol
[05:19] <eyequeue> rayen:  yes, this is the home stretch, final preparations are being made for that release, release candidate 1 is coming out today
[05:19] <rayen> i'll give Ubuntu a try on my PC :)
[05:19] <rayen> ok i'll wait a day
[05:19] <rayen> :P
[05:19] <StR> rayen: what distro do you have now?
[05:19] <Quinn_Storm> rayen: I personally advise kubuntu but then that's b/c I prefer kde to gnome.  to get it, just apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, and kde as well if you want all the kde optional pkgs
[05:20] <rayen> StR,  I installed Gentoo 2005.0 on my PC yesterday (went from XP to Gentoo)
[05:20] <Quinn_Storm> well if you can make gentoo work, you can certainly make ubuntu work
[05:20] <StR> how long did it take to install gentoo?
[05:20] <rayen> StR,  10 hours :p
[05:20] <delire> rayen and do you like it?
[05:20] <StR> rayen: lol..   you will love ubuntu
[05:21] <dashnu> heh i run six gentoo servers at work
[05:21] <eyequeue> but he's changing away from gentoo in under 24 hours, heh
[05:21] <rayen> yes, it's very fast but my sound system (alsasound server) doesn't work :(
[05:21] <rayen> so I thought i'll use an other distro
[05:21] <dashnu> i use ubuntu on my work laptop though
[05:21] <dashnu> its just easy
[05:21] <delire> rayen: that is probably fixed by 'alsaconf' however
[05:22] <sml> hi guys - need some quick advice please :)
[05:22] <Quinn_Storm> I started with slack way back when, had a quick brush with redhat, and have been with debian-based ever since, though I did actually try gentoo once and decided it was like going back about 5-10 years in a time machine and using slack, lol
[05:22] <sml> just messed up my xorg.conf
[05:22] <eyequeue> sml:  buy low, sell high
[05:22] <rayen> delire, yes i tryed that one, I can hear myself talking through the microphone, however playing mp3's and other soundformats doesn't work
[05:22] <sml> logged back in with the live cd
[05:22] <sml> how do i access the other data on my hard disk?
[05:22] <delire> rayen: what about the 'wave' format?
[05:22] <rayen> delire,  same there
[05:23] <delire> rayen that's very odd
[05:23] <peyre> eyequeue: are you still there? (I promise I won't flood. :-)
[05:23] <jiyuu0> ubuntu RC coming out today right?
[05:23] <Bazzi> most likely
[05:23] <eyequeue> sml:  my solution is typically to sudo mkdir /foo, and mount the partition in question on /foo
[05:23] <dashnu> Quinn_Storm, your crazy I run ~86 at home and the packages are for the most part shiny new
[05:23] <Quinn_Storm> rayen: can you cat something > /dev/dsp and get it to make noise?
[05:24] <Quinn_Storm> dashnu: oh no, not the newness of the packages, I meant it was like using old technology
[05:24] <eyequeue> peyre:  still here, coffee not quite done yet
[05:24] <rayen> Quinn_Storm, nope not really
[05:24] <Quinn_Storm> dashnu: apt is leaps and bounds ahead of compiling everything yourself
[05:24] <tristan_> if I try to install the Exim MTA, it wants to uninstall ubuntu-base
[05:24] <dashnu> Quinn_Storm, to each there own
[05:24] <tristan_> is this a problem?
[05:24] <Quinn_Storm> about the only thing I compile myself right now is kopete & that's b/c I'm working on some patches for it
[05:24] <dashnu> i will not start a war ;)
[05:24] <delire> tristan_: what about 'sendmail'?
[05:24] <Quinn_Storm> however I've gotta go for a little bit
[05:25] <peyre> eyequeue: I got past the dpkg error, but now I am getting messages about also and bogofilter. The dist-upgrade still won't go through.
[05:25] <dockane> delire, what about alsa-conf ? may i query you what synaptic says here to asla-util ?
[05:25] <tristan_> sendmail aslo removes postfix, and therefore ubuntu-base
[05:25] <eyequeue> sml:  such as sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/hda6 /foo
[05:26] <delire> dockane: to install alsaconf you need to add a debian testing line to your sources.list. for some silly reason it's not in Ubuntu base packages
[05:26] <lamont> tristan_: ubuntu-base is just there to force all of the base packages to get installed/upgraded
[05:26] <lamont> tristan_: so removing it won't hurt at all until the next dist-upgrade, when it may or may not hurt...
[05:26] <tristan_> I see
[05:26] <peyre> eyequeue: sorry, I meant alsa.
[05:26] <tristan_> thanks lamont and delire!  I will install exim MTA now.
[05:27] <eyequeue> peyre:  right
[05:27] <rcaskey_> does anyone know if the 6800 DDL plays nice?
[05:27] <lamont> tristan_: so for the next dist-upgrade (breezy timeframe), you would say apt-get -ud install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop and see what it wanted to remove, and what new packages it wanted to add... then you'd have to deal with that part yourself possibly
[05:27] <delire> dockane: do you want the entry to add to your sources.list? it'll mean a but of an upgrade though. there's always a risk of breaking a few pacakges.
[05:27] <zzyber> My Hoary Hedgehog preview 5.04 is freezing after upgrade or maybe it did it before buit ever since i went from warty i have had a problem with my computer hanging and i cant find the problem. Is there some known issues with Hoary Hedgehog? I have disabled acpi but after my computer frooze again. Its terrible irritating so if i cant find the problem i will go back to warty or go for debian sarge
[05:27] <delire> dockane: it worked for pat910 and myself however
[05:28] <lamont> zzyber: this is with the "preview" CD? not some other array CD?
[05:28] <eyequeue> okay, coffee finally ready
[05:28] <lamont> tristan_: mind you, you should really use postfix... it's much better than the rest... :-)
[05:29] <peyre> this is what it says, alsa-lib (1.0.7-1) unstable; urgency=high, then there are instructions about repairing the EMU file.
[05:29] <lamont> </postfix maintainer mode>
[05:29] <zzyber> lamont, yes its the previe
[05:29] <dockane> delire, i just started "amixer" and went through the output and found taht
[05:29] <dockane> :
[05:30] <lamont> zzyber: no known freeze issues there...
[05:30] <dockane> Simple mixer control 'Mic',0
[05:30] <dockane> 0 looks bad to my eyes
[05:30] <dockane> doenst it ?
[05:30] <kiro> hi
[05:31] <Amaranth> dockane: If you want your mic to work, yeah.
[05:31] <Amaranth> dockane: That should be adjustable from the Volume Control applet though.
[05:31] <zzyber> lamont, hmm, strange! It happens when i dont use the computer and when the screen has gone out. I have disabled powersaving but still i have the problem and the disk light is doing 100% when it freezes
[05:31] <dmoyne> stupid problem when opening a file with gimp I get this message :(gimp:8994): Gimp-File-WARNING **: file-utils.c:272:                                     cannot convert filename to UTF-8: Invalid byte sequen                                    ce in conversion input
[05:32] <delire> dockane: and if it's not then you don't have the appropriate entry in your /etc/modules.conf i would say
[05:32] <kiro> exists an installer, which uses kernel 2.6.11?
[05:32] <dmoyne> what is its meaning ? thanks
[05:32] <sls> how do I make evolution check spelling in swedish?
[05:32] <delire> kiro: why do you need the latest kernel?
[05:32] <Amaranth> kiro: Nope, 2.6.11 is only in universe.
[05:32] <sls> i did apt-cache search swed
[05:32] <lamont> zzyber: that sounds like a runaway process busying the machine with disk I/O... I imagine that's an IDE machine?
[05:32] <kiro> because of CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IT821X
[05:33] <sls> only found i18n kde
[05:33] <tritium> kiro, there are no linux-restricted-modules for 2.6.11 yet
[05:33] <delire> kiro: ahah. no chipset support.
[05:33] <tritium> kiro, do you have need of nvidia or ati drivers?
[05:33] <kiro> the module for this chipset it is not in kernel 2.6.8, which the normal deb-installer uses :(
[05:33] <zzyber> lamont, yes its a ide (sadly) but do you know a way to track this? Is itt logged somewere?
[05:34] <dazed> anyone up and about that can help me with a lil network problem?
[05:34] <dockane> but i do have a mic in my volume control which produces accoustic feedback when its set too high
[05:34] <dockane> does taht fit together ?
[05:34] <Quinn_Away> dazed: what's the problem?
[05:34] <delire> sls: you might want to try 'sylpheed' as i see it has swedish language support
[05:35] <dazed> iQuinn_Away: have a warty PC and a hoary Laptop...now when i goto "network:///" only the PC shows up and it only shows up in samba i mean i can explore and everything but it doesnt show up as NSF and the laptop doesnt show up at all
[05:35] <dockane> dazed, maybe just ask
[05:35] <dazed> dockane: i was typin lol
[05:35] <Quinn_Away> dazed: not sure, given I really don't use gnome
[05:35] <dazed> grr
[05:35] <sml> thanks guys
[05:36] <delire> dockane: i would seriously consider filing a bug with the Ubuntu developers. you shouldn't need to run alsaconf to have mic input working.
[05:36] <kiro> thanks, bye.
[05:36] <dazed> anyone else have any ideas?
[05:37] <delire> dazed: perhaps see #samba
[05:37] <Xappe> maybe nautilus ssh would work for you
[05:37] <delire> dazed: more specific support.
[05:37] <dazed> true
[05:37] <delire> dazed: yeah or nautilus ssh
[05:38] <dockane> delire, this is my /etc/modules : ide-cd ide-disk ide-generic lp mousedev psmouse
[05:39] <delire> dockane: not that file /etc/modules.conf
[05:40] <dockane> delire, ther is no such file
[05:40] <zzyber> is ubuntu Hoary Hedgehog a debian sarge or a debian sid?
[05:40] <delire> dockane: wow, odd. well this is where mixers are bound to hardware aliases
[05:41] <Xappe> zzyber: it's a Hoary the Hedgehog
[05:41] <dockane> delire, may i query you my locate modules.conf ?
[05:41] <delire> dockane: i would suggest adding 'deb ftp://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main' to your /etc/apt/sources.list, running 'apt-get update' and then 'apt-get install alsa-utils'. will give you the version that has alsaconf
[05:42] <delire> dockane: did you find it?
[05:42] <nydust> how do i add a windows shared printer to my system?
[05:42] <delire> nydust: you need to use CUPS, the Linux printing service
[05:42] <dockane> there are similiar files
[05:42] <delire> nydust: there should be a GUI for detecting this in Ubuntu
[05:43] <zzyber> Xappe, but its based on debian right? What level of debian has the ubuntu team developed from? Is it from debians testing or unstable?
[05:43] <tuukkah> zzyber, Ubuntu releases are stabilized from Debian sid
[05:43] <zzyber> tuukkah, okey, i thought so
[05:43] <speedy2782> I installed enlightenment on my ubuntu hoary installl. HOW DO I GET THIS CRAP OFF?
[05:43] <Xappe> speedy2782: sudo apt get remove enlightenment
[05:43] <Xappe> *apt-get
[05:44] <speedy2782> how do I get it to use metacity again:?
[05:44] <delire> dockane: hmmm... ok do this 'egrep -R  snd  /etc/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/'
[05:44] <brrrt> anyone experienced with webcams? which one should i buy ?
[05:44] <delire> brrrt: there is a good page about this...<thinks>
[05:44] <Xappe> speedy2782: are you using enlightenment in gnome?
[05:44] <speedy2782> I really don't know what I am doing
[05:45] <Xappe> hehe
[05:45] <delire> brrrt: http://zc0302.sourceforge.net/zc0302.php?page=cams
[05:45] <speedy2782> the way I launched gnome was through the gnome terminal
[05:45] <speedy2782> the way I launched gaim was through the gnome terminal
[05:45] <zzyber> i have used ubuntus preview for two weeks now and im not so happy anymore :-( It feels like the Hoary Hedgehog release are buggy and of course.........its a preview but i think i will go back to debian sarge and put my unstable applications there myself
[05:45] <Xappe> hmm, don't you have the old session in your gdm?
[05:45] <brrrt> delire: cools, thnx alot!
[05:46] <speedy2782> old session of what? and what is a gdm?
[05:46] <Xappe> speedy2782: gdm is the login screen
[05:46] <delire> speedy2782: the Gnome Display Manager
[05:46] <dockane> delire, no output
[05:46] <speedy2782> that is the same, It doesnt give me the option
[05:46] <speedy2782> I will double check
[05:47] <delire> dockane: hah, bad news. i would do what i suggested above. at least to get alsaconf on board. you should have alsaconf already in /sbin/alsaconf. i don't know why it's not on your system but there have been others
[05:48] <nydust> delire, the printer is shared on a windows computer, what is the url for it? smb://oystein/epson760?
[05:49] <speedy2782> whew!
[05:49] <Xappe> speedy2782: well?
[05:49] <speedy2782> enlightenment sucks
[05:49] <speedy2782> and you were right
[05:49] <delire> nydust: you shouldn't need to do that. do you have an application on board that shows you printers on the network? perhaps openoffice, xpp, or printconf
[05:49] <Xappe> speedy2782: now you can remove it :)
[05:49] <nydust> aha
[05:50] <speedy2782> Linux is so rediculously customizable over windows that I am able so screw everything up..but is seems easy to fix in the hands of someone who isn't me
[05:50] <speedy2782> and I Like this chat room cause I always find help
[05:50] <dockane> delire, ok. before i do so, does that fit together that ive got sound OUTput ?
[05:50] <delire> speedy2782: precisely. if windows was as customiseable, the world would be on it's knees ;)
[05:50] <speedy2782> sometimes great help, and sometimes begrudgedly but I get it none the less
[05:50] <Xappe> coustomize that Bill G!
[05:51] <delire> dockane: yes, just not specified properly. if unsure you can always try #debian. don't tell them you're using Ubuntu, they can be a bit tough on that, and ask there to double-check
[05:52] <tritium> dockane, when he's around, crimsun is the one to ask
[05:52] <mercurus> whee ! got bridge working !!
[05:52] <speedy2782> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=13548&file1=13548-1.jpg&file2=13548-2.jpg&file3=&name=MacOS-X+Aqua+Theme
[05:52] <delire> dockane: i would be more affirmative here, but i am long time Debian user, and have my Ubuntu box elsewhere
[05:53] <speedy2782> how Do I get the doc bar at the bottom of that link
[05:53] <tritium> dockane, I do know that crimsun would oppose the idea of installing alsa-conf
[05:53] <delire> tritium: and so he would have people manually edit /etc/modules.conf?
[05:53] <tritium> delire, no, I didn't say that
[05:54] <delire> tritium: hehe good ;)
[05:54] <speedy2782> any ideas on how to get a docking bar- similar to macox
[05:54] <tritium> But I do konw that alsa-conf is rather buggy
[05:54] <Dreamer3> anyone familiar with evolution and IMAP?
[05:54] <delire> i suspect Ubuntu has it's own special way of setting up the sound card. given the number of people with issues in this area, it would be good to hear from an experienced ubuntu user as to how ubuntu likes it done.
[05:55] <Xappe> speedy2782: gdesklets perhaps
[05:55] <z993126> I looked on google for info about usb2 in Linux and came up with a page mentioning EHCI driver for usb2 high-speed support...but Synaptic doesn't list it (with universe/multiverse enabled)...
[05:55] <delire> tritium: alsaconf has worked for me for many years
[05:55] <delire> tritium: but it may be these days.
[05:55] <St_Neurion> Can anyone tell me a media player that works on Ubuntu that plays .avi's outside of the src attribute?
[05:56] <tritium> delire, he's involved in the alsa project, and he doesn't recommend it.  He's also our resident alsa/sound expert
[05:56] <tritium> it being alsa-conf
[05:56] <delire> z993126: what your looking for needs to be enabled in the kernel. are you sure Ubuntu doesn't have usb2 support already?
[05:56] <delire> tritium: great, he's the perfect guy to ask
[05:57] <Dreamer3> hmmmmmm
[05:57] <delire> tritium: on my debian machines it's actually 'alsaconf' not 'alsa-conf' however
[05:57] <tritium> yep, that's why I told him to
[05:57] <z993126> I don't know...but I do know the external USB2 drive I plugged in only transfers at full-speed, not high
[05:57] <St_Neurion> Can anyone tell me a media player that works on Ubuntu that plays .avi's outside of the src attribute? Totem only plays the audio of my movie files and I can't find VLC player that works for Ubuntu
[05:57] <z993126> try mplayer
[05:57] <Dreamer3> evolution shows no items in trash by sylpheed claws shows like 2,000 that are marked as deleted, but never have been.... wondering how to get evolution to see or remove them
[05:57] <St_Neurion> downloadable from...?
[05:57] <Xappe> St_Neurion: VLC should be in universe I think
[05:58] <delire> z993126: when it's plugged in you can 'tail' or follow the system logs with either 'dmesg' or 'tail -f /var/log/syslog'
[05:58] <speedy2782> z9980097013412346196234: can you make mplayer play full screen?
[05:58] <EddieX> Is there any good "mips" emulator to code assambler on for linux?
[05:58] <z993126> ...I need to figure out how to get mplayer to compile with gui though...if you hit 'f' while playing it goes fullscreen but doesn't scale the video
[05:58] <St_Neurion> that's what I thought Xappe, but I can't find where the Ubuntu version is
[05:58] <delire> speedy2782: mplayer -zoom movie.avi
[05:58] <speedy2782> apt-get install mplayer....or use the synaptic
[05:58] <delire> z993126: mplayer -zoom does
[05:58] <tritium> EddieX, spim
[05:58] <speedy2782> delire: from the terminal?
[05:58] <delire> yes
[05:58] <St_Neurion> synaptic it is
[05:58] <Xappe> St_Neurion: I use the ubuntu VLC
[05:58] <EddieX> tritium, Ok, will check that :) Thanks
[05:59] <speedy2782> delire, can you full screen from the window/
[05:59] <delire> i think the compile flags for gui support are './configure --enable-gui && make && make install'
[05:59] <jamminpotato> i was intrested in ubuntu so i downloaded the warty live cd, and i got to the first screen where you choose wha mode to boot in but then when it went to boot it gave me an error and said attempting some sort of audit
[05:59] <Xappe> St_Neurion: should be as easy as a sudo apt-get install vlc (or wxvlc)
[05:59] <delire> speedy2782: yes
[05:59] <jamminpotato> anyone know whats going on?
[05:59] <speedy2782> gdesklets, what is it exactly, and do you know where I would find the theme for macosx doc bar?
[05:59] <St_Neurion> well, here's the download site at videolan.org, http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ should I be getting any of these?
[06:00] <delire> speedy2782: are funky graphical eye-candy for your gnome desktop
[06:00] <Xappe> vlc is good, but the support for .wmv is quite bad
[06:00] <delire> St_Neurion: can you 'apt-cache search vlc' and see it in the output?
[06:00] <EddieX> Seems perfect tritium, thanks
[06:00] <tritium> EddieX, I'm glad :)
[06:00] <EddieX> Hehe :)
[06:00] <delire> St_Neurion: there is also 'xine', not a bad DVD player - menu support etc
[06:00] <z993126> i think i tried compiling last niht but it said gui wasn't enabled...and i used the --enable-gui switch.
[06:01] <St_Neurion> yes, vlc is there, thnks delire
[06:01] <St_Neurion> I'll get it through that
[06:01] <Xappe> z993126: to run with the gui, execute gmplayer
[06:01] <delire> z993126: hmm, not sure why it wouldn't work. did you check it wasn't another switch? see ./configure --help
[06:01] <dockane> delire, apt-get update does not work
[06:02] <tritium> dockane, you're using sudo apt-get update?
[06:02] <delire> dockane: a GPG verification error. hmm..
[06:02] <St_Neurion> sudo apt-get vlc gives me invalid operation
[06:03] <St_Neurion> is there something I'm missing in there?
[06:03] <tritium> sudo apt-get install vlc
[06:03] <St_Neurion> thanks
[06:03] <Xappe> sudo apt-get install vlc
[06:03] <delire> dockane: before upgrading, i would take tritiums advice to talk to an alsa developer that turns up here from time to time.
[06:03] <Xappe> oh, too late :P
[06:04] <delire> dockane: it seems Ubuntu has it's own way of managing alsa aliases (not in /etc/modules.conf) etc
[06:04] <dockane> tritium, yes
[06:04] <z993126> humm ok it says it's a full-speed device even though i know it's high-speed...how do i fix that?
[06:04] <dockane> so
[06:04] <delire> dockane: i meant that as a last-ditch effort ;)
[06:04] <tritium> dockane, what error is it giving you?
[06:05] <dockane> a GPG verification error
[06:05] <delire> z993126: does it say it's connecting as a usb2 device?
[06:05] <tritium> dockane, using Marillat's repo?
[06:06] <z993126> whups, hang on, I'm trying to do 2 things at once here...
[06:06] <delire> tritium: i pointed him to debian testing to get alsaconf. it fixed several other people's soundcard issues earlier and some days ago.
[06:06] <dockane> tritium, whats that ?
[06:07] <speedy2782> how often are the repositories updated?
[06:07] <z993126> Vendor: Genesys   Model: USB to IDE Disk...so no
[06:07] <tritium> delire, well, that's good that you helped them fix things up
[06:07] <tritium> dockane, people using ftp.nerim.net often get GPG errors
[06:07] <delire> tritium: one poor guy had no sound for 3 days after install.
[06:07] <tritium> dockane, if that's what it is: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary/
[06:08] <tritium> delire, it does seem to be one of the more common problems
[06:08] <malte`> when will the RC isos be available?!?!?!!? :|
[06:08] <delire> tritium .. perhaps he can delete the lock file
[06:08] <Seveas> dockane: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 && gpg --export --armor 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add /proc/self/fd/0
[06:08] <delire> or that..
[06:09] <tritium> that's what the above URL describes
[06:09] <tritium> (importing Marillat's gpg key)
[06:10] <delire> no, this shouldn't be marillat's key. i gave him deb ftp://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main
[06:10] <delire> this is what he's updating against to get alsaconf.. as a last ditch effort
[06:10] <tritium> I'm referring to what Seveas posted.
[06:10] <tritium> It's the info from the URL I have dockane
[06:11] <dockane> tritium, sorry had to phone. no, its togeter with a debian testing line
[06:11] <Termy> Hi
[06:11] <tritium> dockane, ok, then nevermind the above
[06:11] <delire> tritium: yep, dockane has no problem with GPG authentication against marrilat. he's not trying to update to that repo.
[06:11] <tritium> okay, sounds like a non-issue, then, since you're having him use debian reops
[06:11] <tritium> repos
[06:12] <Termy> If i ordered a CD yesterday will i recieve it, or will i have to wait for the new version to be released?
[06:12] <EddieX> Termy i think it will ship when new version is here
[06:12] <z993126> er...i downloaded the player-1.0-pre5 code to my home dir, extracted it to subfolder and am compiling it there, but I already installed mplayer via Synaptic, how do I replace the old version with my new compile?
[06:12] <Xappe> Termy: the release is within a week :)
[06:12] <Xappe> almost
[06:12] <delire> dockane: i don't know how to help in that case. you should wait for tritium's friend to assist.
[06:13] <dockane> delire, what was hin name again please ?
[06:13] <dockane> *his
[06:13] <delire> ask tritium
[06:13] <Xappe> crimsun i guess
[06:13] <tritium> dockane, crimsun
[06:13] <tritium> he's away right now
[06:13] <z993126> er on the make of mplayer i'm getting a whole lot of errors like "install: cannot remove `/usr/local/bin/mplayer': Permission denied
[06:13] <z993126> make: *** [install]  Error 1"
[06:13] <firstknight> Hi, I try to install grub to floppy... sudo grub-install /dev/fd0..... The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
[06:13] <dockane> ah, thnx. ok i will ask him
[06:14] <z993126> should I remove my old one first?
[06:14] <delire> ok, luck dockane. it's likely just a trivial problem i can't resolve from here without knowing more.
[06:14] <delire> night all
[06:14] <dockane> good night delire
[06:21] <acidburn> Hey guys...
[06:21] <acidburn> I have an hp 930c printer...
[06:21] <[nrx] > hey mr original
[06:21] <nmsa> good evening
[06:21] <[nrx] > ;p
[06:21] <acidburn> And I just installed Ubuntu in my computer...
[06:21] <acidburn> How do I install my printer?
[06:22] <speedy2782> acidburn: have you looked at ubuntuguide.org
[06:22] <willis> acidburn, System->Administration->Printing
[06:23] <Termy> So my CD's will be dispatched within a week?
[06:23] <Termy> Sorry, i was having dinner
[06:23] <acidburn> How do I get to System>Administration>Printing?
[06:23] <[nrx] > my cd's took around a 2 week to arrive from the point of ordering
[06:23] <acidburn> I just got ubuntu today...
[06:23] <speedy2782> or searched the forums. ubuntuforums.org
[06:23] <punjab12> is ubuntu rc1 out?
[06:24] <Termy> I ordered the CD's last night
[06:24] <acidburn> I'm not sure how to use it yet.
[06:24] <willis> acidburn, the system menu at the top of your screen
[06:24] <z993126> acidburn: Computer>System Configuration>Printing
[06:24] <z993126> (least that's what it is on Warty)
[06:24] <willis> ah true i was doing it from hoary
[06:25] <Bizzeh> anyone got a creative jukebox? and can access a windows install?
[06:26] <z993126> is Hoary easier to use than Warty?
[06:26] <Termy> Hoary is a more updated version of Warty
[06:26] <[nrx] > Warty's fine for me
[06:26] <Termy> But it is currently in preview mode
[06:27] <Amaranth> hoary is the name of the next version of Ubuntu
[06:27] <Termy> When Hoary is released, new CD's will be dispatched (I think/hope)
[06:28] <msumu> do someone know why do WASPS play golf ?
[06:28] <HiddenWolf> Termy, that's true
[06:28] <jamminpotato> arrrgh my warty live cd = not happy
[06:28] <msumu> yo ! do someone know why do WASPS play golf ?
[06:28] <jamminpotato> like it wont start booting, iget to the oot options screen
[06:28] <jamminpotato> and then it gives an error
[06:29] <jamminpotato> and says something about auditing
[06:29] <z993126> umm...after doing a "./configure --enable-gui && make && make install" on mplayer-1.0-pre5 I get some errors such as "Reading config file /home/username/.mplayer/gui.conf: No such file or directory" ...
[06:29] <jamminpotato> anyone else had that problem?
[06:29] <jamminpotato> im download the hoary live now and gona try that
[06:29] <msumu> jamminpotato, getting mad with warty ?
[06:30] <jamminpotato> no i just want it to wok
[06:30] <sig> z993126: here:  http://johnvansickle.com/mplayer
[06:30] <jamminpotato> i know that live cd's work on ym ocmpy cuase i've run suse live before
[06:30] <sig> also z993126 why not apt-get install mplayer?
[06:30] <jamminpotato> but warty is being mean
[06:30] <dazed_> can anyone tell me why one of my ubuntu comuters shows up in "network:///" as an smb folder not nsf and the other ubuntu computer will not show up at all??
[06:30] <z993126> because that doesn't compile with the gui enabled
[06:30] <z993126> er isn't compiled with
[06:31] <sig> z993126:  well install the gui
[06:31] <sig> there is a gui in the repos
[06:31] <z993126> that's what i'm trying to figure out how to do
[06:31] <z993126> ^^;
[06:31] <msumu> jamminpotato, be cool dude. you got problems cuz you din't it download the right cd
[06:31] <jamminpotato> how did i not download the right cd
[06:31] <sig> z993126: looks like your doing it from a tar.gz
[06:32] <z993126> yeah
[06:32] <sig> and not via apt-get
[06:32] <jamminpotato> it said i386-warty-live
[06:32] <sig> what package did you grab?
[06:32] <Bazzi> jamminpotato wrong platform amybe.
[06:32] <Bazzi> jamminpotato what cpu you got?
[06:32] <msumu> jamminpotato, the cd you got is fake
[06:32] <jamminpotato> athlon XP-M
[06:32] <jamminpotato> how is it a fake cd?
[06:32] <Bazzi> msumu fake cd?
[06:32] <jamminpotato> i downoaded it from one of the official mirror and burnt it with my own hands
[06:32] <z993126> should i kill this and retry apt-get, then you can tell me how to get the gui for it working?
[06:33] <sig> z993126: let me look
[06:33] <msumu> Bazzi, he may have got the iso but didn't burn it right
[06:33] <sig> z993126: go to #linuxdojo where it isn't so congested
[06:33] <jamminpotato> burned properly
[06:33] <speedy2782> when I run gdesklets nothing happens
[06:33] <speedy2782> what do I need to do
[06:33] <acidburn> Ok. I see Printing under COmputer>SystemConfiguration>Printing
[06:33] <speedy2782> open that up
[06:33] <acidburn> I guess I have a different version of Ubuntu...
[06:34] <jamminpotato> i did it liek every other iso i've ever burned....i went into Alcohol 120
[06:34] <jamminpotato> and then i burnt it
[06:34] <speedy2782> is there a place that says add new printer
[06:34] <msumu> speedy2782, which version you got ?
[06:34] <speedy2782> haory
[06:35] <speedy2782> does anyone know how to configure gdesklets
[06:35] <jamminpotato> hopegfully the hoary live wil work
[06:35] <jamminpotato> if not i culd order a cd
[06:35] <speedy2782> I run applications "gdesklets" the comp pretends to think about it...but no dice
[06:36] <msumu> speedy2782, you must have the gdesklets data packages installed
[06:36] <exalted> hi, when the preview will be released on 6 April, will be removed all the text saying "preview"on various sides of the system with just a single update or something else? thx
[06:36] <cusco> hi
[06:36] <cusco> what do I use to burn cd's?
[06:36] <cusco> I mean
[06:36] <cusco> to burn a mp3/ogg album to a audio cd?
[06:36] <msumu> speedy2782, ?
[06:39] <speedy2782> i am back
[06:39] <Termy> wb
[06:41] <[nrx_] > folks... anyone got any suggestions for this error...
[06:41] <[nrx_] > Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.
[06:41] <[nrx_] >     Name change: '/dev/dm-0' -> '/dev/evms/hda1'
[06:41] <dockane> crimsun ?
[06:41] <crimsun> dockane: yes?
[06:41] <crimsun> (I only have a few minutes; I have a class to teach shortly)
[06:42] <dockane> i was told to ask you for my little mic problem  with alsa ... everything regarding sound works fine but not the mic (integrated mic on a thinkpad t21, hoary)
[06:43] <crimsun> dockane: ok, so using snd-cs4232 or snd-cs4236?
[06:43] <dockane> crimsun, " Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator]  (rev 01)"
[06:44] <dockane> dockane, where do i get the info from you asked for ?
[06:44] <dockane> *crimsun
[06:44] <crimsun> dockane: please paste the output of ,,amixer'' onto pastebin.com
[06:44] <crimsun> dockane: (that would have been ,,lsmod|grep ^snd_cs'')
[06:46] <dockane> crimsun, http://pastebin.com/264825
[06:47] <cusco> please, what program do I use to burn mp3 to audio cds?
[06:47] <crimsun> dockane: and lsmod?
[06:47] <dockane> crimsun, snd_cs46xx             86472  4
[06:47] <crimsun> dockane: excellent.
[06:48] <crimsun> dockane: please make sure mic, capture, and adc are all unmuted and toggled for capture
[06:49] <jcotellese> Can someone tell me how to add more items to the default Gnome menu. Is there a menu editor?
[06:49] <crimsun> dockane: sorry, but I have to go.  That should resolve your recording issue.
[06:49] <Termy> Bye crimsun
[06:49] <crimsun> bye
[06:49] <dockane> crimsun, THNX  bye
[06:50] <dockane> lol it works
[06:51] <dockane> umlau :
[06:52] <dockane> geht ?
[06:54] <bitar> hey all
[06:54] <bitar> does Firefox in Ubuntu have a problem with opening Javascrip t and .jsp pages????
[06:55] <bitar> i'm trying to to log to my Isp provider but clickin "OK" doesn't seem to work:S
[06:55] <bitar> i tried mozilla
[06:55] <bitar> same eeffect..
[06:55] <bitar> did it ever happen to someone?
[06:56] <Bazzi> does it work on windows?
[06:56] <bitar> yeah.. perfectly..
[06:57] <Bazzi> maybe the settings are different by default
[06:57] <bitar> what do you mean?
[06:57] <Bazzi> like javascript stuff is disabled in ubuntu by default or something else affecting this
[06:57] <Bazzi> missing plugin
[06:57] <Bazzi> or whatnot
[06:57] <bitar> Bazzi: is there a plugin i can install from the cd?
[06:58] <z993126> how do I force usb2 usage for a device which is usb2-compatible but ubuntu doesn't autorecognize as usb2?
[06:58] <Bazzi> bitar dunno whats missing/wrong :)
[06:58] <bitar> :(
[07:03] <davidw> wow, what a ton of people...
[07:03] <[nrx_] > is there a 'file manager' in ubuntu?
[07:03] <davidw> question: I am looking for dedicated hosting (ie I have a machine with root on it that's not shared) with Ubuntu - does that exist?
[07:03] <brob_> I previously had higher screen resolution options using hoary, but after an update yesterday I am now max out at 1024x768
[07:04] <brob_> why is this
[07:04] <Myrtti> [nrx_] : yes.
[07:04] <dockane> brob_, check your xorg.0.log
[07:04] <jcotellese> nrx_: From the menu -> Places -> Home
[07:05] <[nrx_] > jcotellese, i'm running xfce-4
[07:05] <z993126> ubuntu's file manager is nautilus, you access it via Computer>Home, Desktop, Disks, or Network
[07:05] <z993126> (er for Warty)
[07:05] <[nrx_] > z993126, nautilus only seems to display the home dir
[07:05] <queuetue> Does anyone know what package I need to install to get emacs with an x interface (not xemacs, which is different...)
[07:05] <jcotellese> nrx_: In the Nautuls Window press Alt->Up
[07:06] <vince`> brob_, i remember i had the same behaviour. i just added "1280x1024" to the "modes"-line in section "screen" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:06] <[nrx_] > jcotellese, nothing more like explorer? lol
[07:06] <brob_> vince`, cool thanks
[07:07] <vince`> welcome. then just restart X and select the resolution in gnome
[07:07] <[nrx_] > in gnome, there was the option for browsing the network and now, in xfce, i don't have that.. are there any alternatives?
[07:08] <jcotellese> nrx_: Don't know what is available in Gnome. I came from KDE and always used Konqueror. I'm also partial to Midnight Commander from a console.
[07:08] <z993126> whups, I seem to have killed xmms
[07:08] <[nrx_] > gah
[07:08] <jcotellese> Can someone tell me how I can install a debian package from source. I want to recompile rhythmbox to add MP4 support.
[07:09] <jcotellese> nrx_: In a nautilus window can you select Places->Network?
[07:10] <[nrx_] > jcotellese, no ;/
[07:10] <Levander> Hey, last night I tried running "sudo firefox" and it managed to blow away my bookmarks file for firefox.  Anybody know a way to get them back? Or, I gotta start all over?
[07:11] <davidw> Levander: perhaps it just messed up the permissions?
[07:11] <grogoreo> hi
[07:12] <Levander> davidw: no, i went into the .mozilla directory, bookmarks.html is empty.  Plus, I re-ran it under sudo, bookmarks where still gone.
[07:12] <kain> Levander, if you do sudo firefox it starts as root
[07:12] <Levander> kain: i know
[07:12] <grogoreo> how can I close a fullscreen application? I have a game (Half Life 2 running with Cedega) and there is a problem with it. All I want to do is 'kill' it or something
[07:12] <Levander> funny thing is, while it was running as sudo last night, the bookmarks were there
[07:12] <Levander> if it blew them away, it blew them away on shutdown, or maybe after reading them on startup
[07:13] <spike> is there something like packages.debian.org? I need to check out if some apps are included in ubuntu or not...
[07:13] <jcotellese> Levander: Did you check to see if it created a separate profile directory?
[07:13] <davidw> (why were you running it with sudo anyway? ?!)
[07:14] <Levander> jcotellese: i looked for /root/.mozilla, that directory wasn't there, don't know where else to look
[07:14] <Levander> davidw: was experiment to see if the firefox auto-update feature would work, didn't think it would blow anything away
[07:15] <davidw> running stuff as root has the potential to blow *everything* away:-)
[07:15] <Levander> spike: which distribution? hoary or warty?  i have a link for hoary, not for warty
[07:15] <oris_wolfbane> does anybodfy know a good screen recording program?
[07:15] <Levander> davidw: no kidding
[07:16] <Levander> oris_wolfbane: u want a screenshot or a video of the screen?
[07:16] <spike> Levander: warty actually. but can u paste the one for hoary anyway, please?
[07:16] <Levander> spike: hold on, gotta find it, lost my bookmarks last night
[07:17] <oris_wolfbane> vevander, video
[07:17] <i3dmaster> oris_wolfbane: script cmd will recored everything you type on console
[07:17] <Levander> spike: actually, this isn't how I've been using this site, but just looked, looks like they do list warty packages also:  http://higgs.djpig.de/ubuntu/www/
[07:18] <Levander> i've been doing google site:higgs. (etc) searchs on that url, but appending "hoary/" onto the end of that URL.  But just try the search on that link I gave u
[07:18] <Dr_Jekyll> hi
[07:18] <queuetue> how do I re-run the dpkg configuration for a package?
[07:18] <Levander> oris_wolfbane: sorry, don't know for video
[07:18] <WeirdAl> How do I get it to start up with numlock on? :-)
[07:18] <Levander> queuetue: there a dpkg-reconfigure script u can try
[07:19] <Levander> queuetue: like "dpkg-reconfigure python2.3"
[07:19] <Dr_Jekyll> my usb 4in1 cardreader doesn't work in warty :(
[07:19] <oris_wolfbane> i3dmaster, no good its for a tutorial style thing
[07:19] <Dr_Jekyll>  /proc/bus/usb/devices says, driver is (none), how to set a driver?
[07:20] <Dr_Jekyll> its a cheapy noname cardreader
[07:20] <queuetue> Ah, istalling emacs21 *deinstalls* emacs21-nox.  Very clever.
[07:20] <i3dmaster> oh... something like remote presentation...
[07:21] <bitar> hey all again....
[07:21] <z993126> wahoo i got the gui for mplayer working...
[07:22] <z993126> dunno why it doesn't include any skins...
[07:22] <z993126> "P
[07:22] <z993126> P even
[07:22] <bitar> i am going to Applications/System tools/ network tools/ then choosing my network device then press on Configure, it's telling me: To tun this tool you need administrator privilidges"
[07:23] <bitar> how can i log in as root?
[07:23] <bitar> what's the root password?
[07:23] <spike> Levander: tnx much
[07:23] <wim> just use your own password bitar
[07:23] <wim> you're in sudo list probably
[07:24] <bitar> wim: i log in with my passoword? but it's telling me that i have to enter as root :S
[07:24] <St0n3-C0l> bitar: lol
[07:24] <Levander> when is hoary supposed to be released? is there a good web page with information on hoary on the ubuntu web site?
[07:24] <St0n3-C0l> just put the password or press Enter and see what happens
[07:25] <bitar> it says wrong password
[07:25] <St0n3-C0l> I think bydefault Ubuntu doesn't ask for root password
[07:25] <St0n3-C0l> bitar: go in terminal and type 'passwd root'
[07:25] <St0n3-C0l> sudo passwd root
[07:25] <St0n3-C0l> for a new password
[07:25] <thundrcleeze> hi, anyone know how to tile windows in gnome (I'm trying to tile xchat channels, only way I could see to do that is to detach the tabs)
[07:25] <Riddell> Levander: next week, see wiki
[07:26] <bitar> St0n3-C0l: so  "sudo passwd root" then i press enter and then put the password?
[07:26] <St0n3-C0l> bitar: set the new password ;)
[07:26] <St0n3-C0l> and after that Retry your Network tools and then put the password u set
[07:26] <St0n3-C0l> Kubuntu is good :P
[07:27] <St0n3-C0l> I'll do that eh
[07:27] <St0n3-C0l> Since I tried Ubuntu Hoary :P
[07:27] <bitar> is it  " sudo foo root" or "sudo passwd root" & then pass ?
[07:27] <bitar> is it  " sudo foo root" or "sudo passwd root" & then foo ?
[07:27] <St0n3-C0l> sudo passwd root
[07:27] <PD> hi have a small problem with my boss laptop
[07:27] <St0n3-C0l> yeah it'll ask for a new password
[07:27] <PD> on my advice he installed ubuntu from windows
[07:27] <wim> bitar, what do you see when you do "groups" in terminal?
[07:27] <bitar> St0n3-C0l: alright
[07:27] <St0n3-C0l> type watever u want to
[07:27] <St0n3-C0l> okay :)
[07:28] <wim> you should be part of admin group if you wanna use network config tool
[07:28] <St0n3-C0l> From Windows ??
[07:28] <St0n3-C0l> or having windows beside
[07:28] <bitar> ah ok..
[07:28] <PD> now theres a problem with the vnc cserver in his comp
[07:28] <bitar> brb
[07:28] <bitar> i wanna try it..
[07:28] <bitar> gotta log back in Ubuntu
[07:28] <PD> i installed vncserver on this machine
[07:29] <thundrcleeze> anyone know how to tile windows in gnome (I'm trying to tile xchat channels, only way I could see to do that is to detach the tabs)
[07:29] <PD> it worked fine for a few days
[07:29] <alterim> hey can someone tell what theme this is: http://clearlooks.sourceforge.net/screenshots/
[07:29] <PD> no the vnc session wouldn't end
[07:29] <alterim> i know it's clearlooks, but is it the version that ships with hoary?
[07:29] <PD> *now the
[07:30] <PD> even after removing vncserver and rebooting the machine the vnc session would not go
[07:30] <St0n3-C0l> I think Ubuntu's Theme of Clearlooks looks like this
[07:30] <PD> the nmap output looks like this
[07:30] <alterim> hmm does it?
[07:30] <St0n3-C0l> not sure...now on Sarge and was using Human Theme when I was on Ubuntu
[07:30] <alterim> i've got clearlooks as my theme on ubuntu and it looks nothing like that lower screenshot
[07:30] <PD> 22/tcp   open  ssh
[07:30] <PD> 111/tcp  open  rpcbind
[07:30] <PD> 631/tcp  open  ipp
[07:30] <PD> 635/tcp  open  unknown
[07:30] <PD> 5800/tcp open  vnc-http
[07:30] <PD> 5801/tcp open  vnc-http-1
[07:30] <PD> 5900/tcp open  vnc
[07:30] <xerox> It is, alterim.
[07:31] <PD> does any one know how to stop the vncserver
[07:31] <alterim> hmm
[07:31] <alterim> i must have the wrong settings
[07:31] <alterim> maybe it's not clearlooks 0.4 i have
[07:32] <alterim> i want my ubuntu to look like that lower screenshot, basically
[07:32] <xerox> alterim: did you completely shut down ubuntu and restarted it, after the theme upgrade?
[07:32] <alterim> hmm i haven't upgraded any themes
[07:32] <xerox> (..or at least gnome)
[07:32] <alterim> i just installed ubuntu 5.04 a week or so ago
[07:32] <PD> davidw hi remember me
[07:32] <xerox> alterim: so upgrade :)
[07:33] <alterim> i have no net connection on my linux
[07:33] <alterim> how to upgrade? and what am i upgrading to?
[07:33] <alterim> clearlooks 0.4 ?
[07:33] <alterim> how do i find out what version i have
[07:33] <alterim> plus, 0.5 is out
[07:34] <JDigital> Hey guys, I just got a Palm, how do I put things on it
[07:34] <JDigital> with Ubuntu
[07:34] <St0n3-C0l> xerox: Is there 0.4 in Hoary ?
[07:34] <PD> ubutnut works exclellent with palms
[07:34] <St0n3-C0l> Clearlooks
[07:34] <PD> gnome-pilot should dod the trick
[07:34] <St0n3-C0l> It looks good ;)
[07:34] <wim> i've got question as well - i noticed that automake from the respository on ubuntu (5.04) is very old (it's from 2001), is there a reason automake doesn't get an upgrade to a newer version, since version 1.9 is already out for a long time also
[07:34] <JDigital> I have gnome-pilot
[07:35] <alterim> hmm. crazy that someone can't actually tell me exactly how i get my desktop to look like the one in that screenshot
[07:35] <PD> JDigital connect it and try syncing
[07:35] <JDigital> I got it to sync
[07:35] <JDigital> it was fiddly but I found a thread on the forums and I can get it to sync
[07:35] <PD> i tried a Treo 600 everythings works with it
[07:35] <PD> ok cool
[07:35] <JDigital> how do I get things onto it from there
[07:35] <xerox> St0n3-C0l: I don't exactly know, but it looks like it.
[07:36] <PD> doyou have Kontact
[07:36] <St0n3-C0l> Yeah
[07:36] <JDigital> I don't think so
[07:36] <St0n3-C0l> same opinion :P
[07:36] <PD> JDigital you can sync everything between Kontact stuu and the palm
[07:36] <St0n3-C0l> U can try ;)
[07:36] <thundrcleeze> Anyone know if there's a way to tile windows in gnome?
[07:36] <St0n3-C0l> if ur using Hoary and GNOME
[07:36] <PD> JDigital install kontact
[07:36] <PD> and try
[07:36] <alterim> what is Metacity?
[07:36] <PD> it should work
[07:37] <Dr_Willis> the default gnome wondow manager
[07:37] <St0n3-C0l> Yea
[07:37] <St0n3-C0l> :P
[07:37] <alterim> i've downloaded clearlooks 0.5 tar.gz
[07:37] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. trying to track down a log monitor for my linksys router.
[07:37] <alterim> how do i install this?
[07:37] <alterim> anyone?
[07:37] <Dr_Willis> anyone got a name/clue? google is gomming up empty for me
[07:38] <alterim> CAN SOMEONE TELL ME HOW TO INSTALL A TAR.GZ ? THANKS!
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> alterim,  you dont. :P
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> you may intall the stuff IN the file...
[07:38] <St0n3-C0l> hmm
[07:38] <Dr_Willis> and it titally depenes on what the file is.
[07:38] <xerox> alterim: you'd better find a .deb package of that program, what is it?
[07:38] <Roey> Is it possible to rm /dev/null? (no I will not try it)
[07:38] <DarthFrog> alterim: TAR ZVF FILE.TAR.GZ
[07:39] <St0n3-C0l> i think we install in the folder /home/user/.metacity
[07:39] <St0n3-C0l> ?
[07:39] <JDigital> Wait, does Kontact work in GNOME
[07:39] <alterim> XEROZ I HAVE TO FIND A .DEB?!
[07:39] <JDigital> I use GNOME see
[07:39] <alterim> WHY CAN'T SOMEONE TELL ME SOMETHING USEFUL
[07:39] <alterim> christ on a bike
[07:39] <xerox> alterim: try without the caps lock.
[07:39] <Dr_Willis> if you are ueing a theme.. gnome has its own theme installer i belive
[07:39] <alterim> one person says do this, one person says do that
[07:39] <thundrcleeze> Why can't you stop shouting?
[07:39] <DarthFrog> alterim: CUZ YOU"RE SHOUTING!
[07:39] <xerox> alterim: what is the program.
[07:39] <alterim> cos i get fucking sick at linux peoples definiton of helping a newbie
[07:39] <alterim> i was talking before
[07:39] <Roey> then there are the people who start complaining that their ears are hurting
[07:39] <alterim> i am trying to install clearlooks 0.5 dammit
[07:40] <St0n3-C0l> alterim: tar -zxvf filename.tar.gz -C /home/yourusername/.themes
[07:40] <PD> JDigital it does
[07:40] <xerox> alterim: there is a simple procedure for themes, it's probably described in the README file, altrought you can try this:
[07:40] <alterim> St0n3-C0l that's great so why did the other guy tell me i had to get a .deb?
[07:40] <xerox> System -> Preferences -> Themes -> Install
[07:40] <St0n3-C0l> I don't know :P
[07:40] <St0n3-C0l> Do this and check Themes
[07:40] <St0n3-C0l> it'll be there
[07:40] <alterim> that's what fucks me off
[07:40] <alterim> you tell me that
[07:41] <alterim> but someone else says i need a .deb
[07:41] <xerox> "Install Theme" -> Browse location
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> because you INSTALL programs with a .deb
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> themes - it depennds on the window manager and a dozen other things.
[07:41] <alterim> Dr_Willis, but the other guy just said i don't need a .deb
[07:41] <JDigital> You can use either
[07:41] <xerox> alterim: shut the f*ck up, I asked you WHAT program you needed to install and 1) you didn't answered, 2) it ISN'T a PROGRAM at all.
[07:41] <alterim> why no coherency
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> a theme MAY come as a deb also. and would be easially installed
[07:41] <xerox> alterim: did you TRY to do what I said?
[07:41] <alterim> i don't recall saying it was a program
[07:41] <St0n3-C0l> alterim: I think you should use your mind in installing Themes, not in this case
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> there are a great many themes installable with the apt-get stuff
[07:41] <alterim> well no, because i'll have to boot out of xp first
[07:42] <^NightHawk^> ihi
[07:42] <^NightHawk^> hi
[07:42] <St0n3-C0l> Everyone gave their different opinions
[07:42] <alterim> opinions?
[07:42] <St0n3-C0l> Hello
[07:42] <alterim> 'yuu NEED a .deb'
[07:42] <alterim> you DON'T need a .deb'
[07:42] <St0n3-C0l> Ideas*
[07:42] <St0n3-C0l> bcoz
[07:42] <alterim> oh yeah, opinions...
[07:42] <St0n3-C0l> apt-get install theme
[07:42] <St0n3-C0l> will be like much easier for ya
[07:42] <JDigital> use synaptic
[07:42] <St0n3-C0l> I just told u where to extract that .tar.gz
[07:42] <alterim> St0n3-C0l no net connection
[07:43] <St0n3-C0l> so do it and check!
[07:43] <St0n3-C0l> ohh...
[07:43] <^NightHawk^> i have a problem with openoffice+cups+gnome+hoary+amd64 ... do u know?
[07:43] <PD> Anybodu tied KUBUNTU here
[07:43] <^NightHawk^> something now?
[07:43] <PD> am on KUBUNTU now
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> PD,  yea a little.. then i reinstalled ubunt and just apt-got the kde stuff :P
[07:43] <St0n3-C0l> PD: I'll today or tommorrow
[07:43] <thundrcleeze> I haven't been able to get it to work, PD
[07:43] <alterim> okay. i will resort to being patiently calm. if anyone can kindly PM me explaining how i install 21237-clearlooks-metacity-0.5.tar.gz then i will be very greatful
[07:43] <PD> KUBUTU was fine for me till yesterday
[07:43] <St0n3-C0l> Dr_Willis: Why not apt-get Gnome stuff :P
[07:44] <PD> but now the songs wont owrk
[07:44] <PD> but the star up and all are fine
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> St0n3-C0l,  I dont see why they dont make a smart isntaller that just asks. :P
[07:44] <PD> only mp3 is causing a problem
[07:44] <Bizzy> hey
[07:44] <alterim> can i do anything with the file: 21237-clearlooks-metacity-0.5.tar.gz
[07:44] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[07:44] <PD> thundercleeze I have it on my HP nx7010 laptop now, its great I should say
[07:44] <alterim> or do i need to donwload something else before booting into linux?
[07:45] <^NightHawk^> anyone with an amd64 here?
[07:45] <Bizzy> i uncommented universe in /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:45] <alterim> help would be soooo cool
[07:45] <Bizzy> and when i run synaptic
[07:45] <HiddenWolf> nighthawk: check
[07:45] <St0n3-C0l> Who don't make a smart installer
[07:45] <alterim> noone knows how to installa tar.gz?
[07:45] <alterim> christ
[07:45] <Bizzy> it gives me an error about how it cant get it
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> alterim,  use the 'install' a new theme feature - and you may have to UNcompress that thing fiorst
[07:45] <Bazzi> alainm man tar
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> alterim,  the fact that its a .tar.gz means NOTHING.
[07:45] <alterim> how do i do that?
[07:45] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[07:45] <Bazzi> alterim*
[07:45] <St0n3-C0l> alterim
[07:45] <St0n3-C0l> I just told u
[07:45] <PD> KUNUNTU has kynaptic
[07:45] <JDigital> a .tar.gz just means it contains things
[07:45] <alterim> but somsone said i need a deb
[07:45] <alterim> surely i can work out if i have the right type of file first
[07:45] <thundrcleeze> You don't.
[07:45] <JDigital> A deb will make it a lot easier for you
[07:46] <alterim> before i start using the said file
[07:46] <Dr_Willis> you COULD get the .deb version of the theme and easially install it..
[07:46] <alterim> i see
[07:46] <St0n3-C0l> alterim: Go in terminal and type 'tar -zxvf 21237-clearlooks-metacity-0.5.tar.gz -C /home/username/.themes
[07:46] <JDigital> a .deb is an easy-install thinger
[07:46] <Dr_Willis> OR you  use the theme isntaller and just tell it that file name
[07:46] <St0n3-C0l> alterim: leave them!
[07:46] <alterim> do i have to be in the same directory as the file?
[07:46] <alterim> with cd
[07:46] <St0n3-C0l> if u'll install from .deb the same thing will happen but it'll do automatically u'll have to do it manually
[07:46] <Bazzi> alterim yes
[07:46] <St0n3-C0l> yeah
[07:46] <alterim> hey getting somewhere. this is too cool
[07:47] <alterim> ok. so if i put the tar.gz in a folder, then cd to that folder, then do that tar command
[07:47] <alterim> it will install my theme and it will be available in the theme manager?
[07:47] <^NightHawk^> excuse me HiddenWolf ... I recheck all configurations.. others applications can print well in gnome but openoffice show a generic printer that not print :P
[07:47] <Bazzi> do it already %)
[07:47] <thundrcleeze> Try using the theme installer.  It'll be easier than extracting the tar.
[07:47] <alterim> does the theme installer open a broswer where i select my tar.gz?
[07:48] <thundrcleeze> Yes, I think so.
[07:48] <alterim> or do i have to extract something first or what
[07:48] <HiddenWolf> nighthawk: sorry, can't help you there, OOO is a nasty piece of work
[07:48] <^NightHawk^> i have cupsys-bsd installed and nothing
[07:48] <alterim> ok
[07:48] <thundrcleeze> I'm pretty sure you don't have to extract it, I could be wrong though.
[07:48] <thundrcleeze> It's worth a try.
[07:48] <Dr_Willis> alterim,  tell the theme browser - where that compressed file is.. then if it dosent like it.. THEN you can uncompress it.
[07:48] <^NightHawk^> ahm ok
[07:48] <mikep_> PD: vncserver -kill :1
[07:48] <^NightHawk^> thank u very much HiddenWolf
[07:49] <PD> vncserver -kill :0 is not owrking
[07:49] <^NightHawk^> but i have one thing more to say
[07:49] <^NightHawk^> ;)
[07:49] <alterim> Did you mean: clearbooks 0.5 .deb
[07:49] <^NightHawk^> the vncserver in amd64 is broken :P
[07:49] <alterim> where do you think i could find a .deb version of this file?
[07:50] <PD> mikep_ I show you the output
[07:50] <alterim> just incase that other one doesn't work
[07:50] <thotypous> hi
[07:50] <PD> root@:/home/rufo # vncserver -kill :0
[07:50] <PD> Can't find file /root/.vnc/:0.pid
[07:50] <PD> You'll have to kill the Xvnc process manually
[07:50] <PotajiTo> wenas
[07:51] <PD> when I try ps aux | grep vnc theres no vnc
[07:51] <StR> PotajiTo: weeeenas
[07:52] <alterim> hey is this what i might need: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/clearlooks/
[07:52] <alterim> ???
[07:52] <rdw200169> why don't you just ps -A
[07:52] <alterim> there are .debs in there?!
[07:52] <PD> ok rdw200169
[07:53] <alterim> hello anyone?!
[07:53] <alterim> hey is this what i might need: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/c/clearlooks/
[07:53] <alterim> ???
[07:53] <alterim> there are .debs in there?!
[07:53] <alterim> erm
[07:53] <alterim> someone said there are users in #ubuntu ?
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> alterim,  looks like them to me
[07:53] <St0n3-C0l> lol
[07:54] <alterim> so a .deb is like an easy intaller
[07:54] <alterim> ?
[07:54] <thundrcleeze> Is there a program or way to tile windows in gnome?
[07:54] <alterim> just double click and go type thing
[07:54] <alterim> ?
[07:54] <Dr_Willis> apt-cache search clear    gives ---> gtk2-engines-clearlooks - ClearLooks theme
[07:55] <Dr_Willis> apt-get install gtk2-engines-clearlooks
[07:55] <JDigital> Couldn't he just do like an "apt-get install" something?
[07:55] <Dr_Willis> installs it.
[07:55] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:55] <JDigital> :P
[07:55] <lamont> alterim: System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package Manager
[07:55] <Dr_Willis> JDigital,  no idea.. :P
[07:55] <alterim> Dr_Willis i'll say it again
[07:55] <alterim> i have no net connection
[07:55] <Burk> hello
[07:55] <JDigital> oh yeah
[07:55] <JDigital> Wait, how are you on the internet now, then
[07:55] <Dr_Willis> alterim,  then i suggest you worry about that - and not worry about silly themes.
[07:55] <alterim> i am using xp
[07:56] <JDigital> On the same machine?
[07:56] <alterim> yes, on the same machine
[07:56] <Burk> guys, I'll probably be the 100th person asking but..wasn't the release candidate scheduled for today?
[07:56] <thundrcleeze> Maybe he doesn't want a net connection?
[07:56] <JDigital> Then why is there no internet in linux
[07:56] <Ayame> hello
[07:56] <Burk> ok, found it ;)
[07:56] <Dr_Willis> JDigital,  'winmodem' is my guess. :P
[07:56] <alterim> you want to make a linux driver for this wireless card?!
[07:56] <alterim> mail it to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:56] <Ayame> does anyone know how to get an epson c42sx printer to notify when it's run out of paper?
[07:56] <alterim> and like thundrcleeze said
[07:56] <Ayame> right now, cups is killing my jobs when it runs out of paper
[07:56] <alterim> maybe i don't sodding well want one
[07:57] <JDigital> Sure you do
[07:57] <alterim> help would be cooler
[07:57] <JDigital> maybe linux supports it somehow
[07:57] <alterim> so, the next time someone wants to go 'hey ;) just go apt-get clearlooks dude ;)'
[07:57] <alterim> think twice
[07:57] <alterim> because there
[07:57] <alterim> is
[07:57] <alterim> no
[07:57] <alterim> net
[07:57] <alterim> christ
[07:57] <Dr_Willis> alterim,  next time someone comes in here ranting about a theme... we will most likely ignore them
[07:57] <alterim> ok. i'll try what's been suggested so far
[07:58] <alterim> elite sods
[07:58] <alterim> no help at all
[07:58] <JDigital> yup, that sounds like us :D
[07:58] <thundrcleeze> No, that's #debian
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> how to isntall themes are well docuemetd in the gnome docs I belive.
[07:58] <JDigital> hehe
[07:58] <alterim> get some fucking sex
[07:58] <Ayame> how good is support for epson printers right now? seems my driver might be incomplete, as it doesn't detect when it's run out of paper
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> No help? gee you got the info you needed.
[07:58] <DXT> Hi, can anyone pm me with the lines to put inside menu.lst for WindowsXP, thanks.
[07:58] <thundrcleeze> At least here you don't get RTFM all the time.
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:58] <JDigital> Sex? Is there an FAQ for that?
[07:58] <Burk> the hoary-rc-live-i386.iso torrent seems to have some problems..seed missing I'd say
[07:58] <_spiral> hello
[07:58] <Ayame> lpstat is just saying "printer is idle"
[07:58] <MFen> kubuntu? is that ubuntu/kde?
[07:58] <_spiral> anyone using sk98lin here ?
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> thundrcleeze,  we will from now on. :P
[07:59] <_spiral> MFen: yes
[07:59] <mikep_> PD: Try running the "top" command to find the pid. Then kill it.
[07:59] <_spiral> MFen: /j #kubuntu
[07:59] <DXT> I forgot to back it up, and after updating my kernel the lines for winxp are gone :"(
[07:59] <Dr_Willis><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:59] <Dr_Willis> Hmm....
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> :P
[07:59] <MFen> nah. i've gotten used to gnome now
[07:59] <sjoerd> _spiral: yeah, but not on an ubuntu kerenel.. (sk98lin)
[07:59] <MFen> is there anything i need to be wary of upgrading a warty to a hoary by changing the entries in sources.list?
[08:00] <_spiral> sjoerd: hmmm... in fact on ubuntu I get a problem with it...
[08:00] <MFen> or better yet, is there an upgrade guide of any sort?
[08:00] <_spiral> sjoerd: but I don't know if it's ubuntu or my laptop
[08:00] <dasenjo> How can I "install" a ttf font to make xpdf use it ?
[08:01] <thundrcleeze> Is there a program or way to tile windows in gnome?
[08:02] <DXT> i think that the window selector or window list applet can do that, thundrcleeze
[08:02] <Dr_Willis> thundrcleeze,  not that i have seen..  sadly when gnome switched from Sawfish to Metacity - a lot of neat stuff was lost.
[08:03] <DXT> Anyone here with ubuntu and winxp?
[08:03] <maddler> ?
[08:03] <JDigital> I have ubuntu and win2k. I broke win2k, hehe.
[08:03] <maddler> DXT... sorry?
[08:03] <HiddenWolf> Dr_Willis: I was wondering that very same thing - Do you know if there is anything in the works?
[08:03] <maddler> oh... using grub?
[08:03] <DXT> i need the lines in menu.lst for having winxp :)
[08:03] <DXT> yep for grub
[08:04] <JDigital> I saw that somewhere but I forget where
[08:04] <JDigital> might have been on the wiki
[08:04] <Josephus> I'm trying to use the parport0, modules are loaded, but there's no device in /dev. Even if i mknod it, the programs can't open it
[08:04] <Josephus> Could anyone help me please?
[08:04] <D-menT> hi
[08:04] <D-menT> someone speak spanish??
[08:04] <^NightHawk^> yo
[08:04] <D-menT> holas
[08:05] <Flonne> Your modules include parport_pc, right, Josephus?
[08:05] <^NightHawk^> wenas
[08:05] <Josephus> Flonne: yes
[08:05] <maddler> DXT... can't help you... but there should be something on GRUB's home page/docs
[08:05] <Flonne> DXT, what do you need?
[08:05] <rdw200169> DXT: i gotcah
[08:05] <maddler> D-menT... I understand some...
[08:05] <DXT> Just the few lines that are responsible to having Winxp in grub menu
[08:05] <Josephus> parport_pc, parport, lp
[08:06] <Flonne> Josephus, what about /dev/parports/?
[08:06] <thundrcleeze> Thanks, Dr_Willis, do you know how?  The window selector app's help doesn't work.
[08:06] <Flonne> One moment, DXT.
[08:06] <rdw200169> DXT: (line 1) title      Microsoft windows xp
[08:06] <DXT> thanks :o)
[08:06] <rdw200169> DXT:   (line 2)      root         (hd0,0)
[08:06] <Josephus> Flonne: there's no such thing :)
[08:06] <rdw200169> DXT:     (line 3)       savedefault
[08:06] <Flonne> Or rdw200169 could beat me to it. :(
[08:07] <rdw200169> DXT:    (line   4)      makeactive
[08:07] <Gecko> Hello. I have some issues with my asus laptop running hoary amd64 edition. First issue is the display driver, which is an ati mobile 9700. I have set it up to use fglrx as the driver, but I cannot seem to get it's acceleration working. This is not the main concern, the main concern is the many artifacts (coloured lines appearing on the screen). Can anyone help me out?
[08:07] <rdw200169> DXT:   (line 5)         chainloader +1
[08:07] <rdw200169> that's it...
[08:07] <DXT> thanks
[08:07] <DXT> Flonne: Don't feel sad :'(
[08:07] <ray99> hi, how much partition space is wise to give to Ubuntu Linux?
[08:08] <[nrx] > 20gb.
[08:08] <[nrx] > hah joking :)
[08:08] <ray99> heh
[08:08] <Flonne> I'm actually not sure what to suggest, Josephus. =\
[08:08] <[nrx] > it takes about 1.2 :)
[08:08] <thundrcleeze> It depends on what you're going to use it for.
[08:08] <CarlK_afk> [nrx_]  - i think it takes more than that
[08:08] <ray99> [nrx]  ok what filesystem do you prefer?
[08:08] <DemisM> Gecko, did you change all instances of the word ati to fglrx in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[08:08] <thundrcleeze> Anything journaled.
[08:08] <[nrx] > no preference but at the moment it's running on ext3
[08:08] <rdw200169> ray99: i always have a seperate partition for /home... and make it much larger for .iso downloads etc...
[08:08] <Gecko> DemisM, Jep
[08:09] <rdw200169> ray99: then when i upgrade/reinstall etc... my /home directory stuff isn't affected
[08:09] <DemisM> Gecko: type flrxinfo and tell me what you get.
[08:09] <DemisM> fglrxinfo that is
[08:09] <ray99> rdw200169 ah that's clever :)
[08:09] <Flonne> Separate /home/ and /boot/ partitions are highly recommended.
[08:09] <Gecko> DemisM, OpenGl vendor: Mesa bla bla bla
[08:10] <CarlK_afk> on a box that isnpt done du shows 1.4G, but some of that maybe released when the install is done, so maybe 1.3 is the right number
[08:10] <DemisM> Gecko: so I don't think you set it up right
[08:10] <rdw200169> ray99: set up a swap of 500mb - 1GB
[08:10] <Gecko> DemisM, Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0" also
[08:10] <Flonne> CarlK_afk, don't forget the space required for .deb downloads.
[08:10] <DemisM> Gecko, what release hoary or wharty?
[08:10] <rdw200169> ray99: the OS is dependent of how much software you want to install...
[08:10] <Gecko> DemisM, hoary
[08:10] <ray99> also, can Ubuntu configure my bootloader automatically ex. Windows XP and Gentoo 2005.0 ?
[08:10] <rdw200169> ray99: either way 4 or 5 GB should be MORE than enough
[08:11] <Flonne> It should be able to do that, ray99.
[08:11] <Flonne> If not, hacking menu.lst isn't hard.
[08:11] <[nrx] > Flonne, unless you're me and end up with lilo ;p
[08:11] <DemisM> Gecko: in /etc/module does it have fglrx as one of the entries?
[08:11] <Flonne> I use LILO, too. Old habits die hard. ;)
[08:12] <Gecko> DemisM, gecko@lappy:~$ sudo lsmod | grep fglrx \\ fglrx                 268128  0
[08:12] <ray99> ok thanks
[08:12] <[nrx] > my warty install currently takes up 2.3gb
[08:12] <rdw200169> Flonne: a single /boot/ partition... brilliant!
[08:13] <rdw200169> Flonne: i should do that... saves a lot of hastle for reinstalls...
[08:13] <[nrx] > I'm running one partition.. and one only.
[08:13] <Flonne> And for having multiple distros, rdw200169, not that you'll want to do that. =P
[08:13] <Gecko> DemisM, there is one error though on startup of x...
[08:13] <nydust> how do i get cups to install my windows shared printer?
[08:14] <rdw200169> Flonne: oh, yes, i would! (and do)
[08:14] <Flonne> I've got Gentoo 32, Gentoo 64, and Ubuntu 32 sharing /boot/ and /home/ on this laptop. :)
[08:14] <Gecko> DemisM, Mar 30 12:04:53 localhost kernel: [fglrx:firegl_unlock]  *ERROR* Process 7470 using kernel context 0
[08:14] <[nrx] > iwas sharing Gentoo 32 and Ubuntu 32... then removed it all and went straight for Ubuntu
[08:14] <rdw200169> Flonne: i feel so stupid...
[08:15] <dmoyne> I have something strange when opening a file with GIMP that has a name like "toto[titi] .jpeg" ; it does not like "[" ans "] " in name !
[08:15] <bitar> hey all...
[08:16] <Dr_Willis> dmoyne,  yea.. stuff like that can be bad. :P
[08:16] <Flonne> dmoyne, try escaping them with a '\'.
[08:16] <[nrx] > guess who's trying to open pr0n
[08:16] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:16] <bitar> how do i install foo.deb in Ubuntu?
[08:16] <Flonne> '\[', for example.
[08:16] <rdw200169> can i have /boot/ on a logical partition?
[08:16] <Flonne> dpgk -i <.deb>
[08:16] <bitar> with the < > ?
[08:16] <Dr_Willis> rdw200169,  i think you can..
[08:16] <Flonne> I've never tried, rdw200169, though I don't see why not.
[08:16] <[nrx] > bitarwithout
[08:16] <rdw200169> thanks
[08:17] <dmoyne> nope because I have hundreds of files like this and Gimp before had like all other garphical apps no problems it is a bug
[08:17] <Gecko> rdw200169, that would pretty much ruin the point of having a /boot partition...
[08:17] <Flonne> You could always give it a try -- bootloaders are easy enough to configure.
[08:17] <bitar> [nrx] : dpgk foo.deb
[08:17] <Flonne> No, Gecko, it wouldn't...
[08:17] <[nrx] > bitar, dpkg -i file.deb
[08:17] <bitar> [nrx] : dpgk - i foo.deb
[08:17] <[nrx] > yes.
[08:17] <Flonne> /boot/ stores kernels and related things. It isn't actually bootable.
[08:17] <bitar> [nrx]  thx dude :)
[08:17] <[nrx] > np
[08:17] <Gecko> Flonne, yes it is :)
[08:18] <bitar> Flonne: thhx
[08:18] <dmoyne> where to report the bug in GIMP ?
[08:18] <Flonne> Not on any of my boxes, Gecko.
[08:18] <DXT> I want to add one specific user to sudoers so that he and only he won't need a password for using sudo, how can I do that?
[08:18] <Gecko> Flonne, Well, if you have /boot as the first partition, you can install lilo or grub on it, and hence make it bootable
[08:19] <Seveas>  /boot doesn't have to be the first partition
[08:19] <Flonne> You can install LILO or GRUB on / if you want to, but that doesn't mean you have to do it.
[08:19] <synd> someone help me with getting Guifications working with gaim?
[08:19] <synd> can*
[08:20] <DemisM> DXT, add the user to the end of the /etc/group line with sudo in it...
[08:20] <Gecko> Flonne, It's a stupid discussion, let's not waste anymore time on it ;)
[08:20] <DXT> let me see..
[08:20] <Flonne> Back to helping users, then, Gecko?
[08:20] <Gecko> Flonne, or getting helped.
[08:20] <Flonne> Did you have a question?
[08:21] <Gecko> Flonne, that is, if anyone actually know how to get those stupid artifacts away from my screen.
[08:21] <BockBilbo> can anyone tell me what does "make" do?
[08:21] <DXT> DemisM: Can you tell me exacly how the line should look?
[08:21] <PD> mikep_ thanx man things are working now
[08:21] <Seveas> BockBilbo, it runs the "make" program
[08:21] <Flonne> Do those artefacts exist when using the 'ati' or 'radeon' drivers?
[08:21] <BockBilbo> Seveas, really??? j/k
[08:21] <Seveas> which is usually used to read a Makefile
[08:21] <BockBilbo> ;)
[08:21] <DemisM> sudo:x:27:NewUserHere
[08:21] <PD> and I take back what i said back about KUBUNTU sometime back
[08:21] <PD> everythings excellent
[08:22] <Seveas> a Makefile usually contains instructions for make on hoe to compile things
[08:22] <PD> the sound and everythong
[08:22] <BockBilbo> Seveas, Ive read that its to make a "C System" or smthing like that
[08:22] <pengwen> sorry for making newbie questions, can anyone convince me to run ubuntu on a fileserver instead of debian?
[08:22] <DXT> DemisM: OK, got it, thank you.
[08:22] <Wim> BockBilbo, 'make' runs the compile scripts for C or C++ programs...
[08:22] <Xenguy> BockBilbo: apt-cache show make
[08:22] <Seveas> pengwen, 18 months security updates per release
[08:22] <Seveas> stable releases every 6 months
[08:23] <Seveas> stability is what you need for a server
[08:23] <Seveas> and security updates
[08:23] <DarthFrog> And ease of maintenance
[08:23] <DemisM> DXT: you have to add the user to /etc/sudoers
[08:23] <BockBilbo> Wim, Xenguy, Seveas ive used make before... but see... im making a Java project, and Im reading about Apache Ant, which its defined as "similar to make, but intended for Java"
[08:23] <Seveas> BockBilbo, that is the most frequent usage: to compile and build applications written in the C programming language
[08:23] <BockBilbo> and just wanted to know what are de advantajes of it
[08:24] <Seveas> make can be used for java and is MUCH simpler
[08:24] <DXT> I thought so, but what do I add there? I tried myself but with no luck :x
[08:24] <Seveas> ant can autogenerate a lot of stuff for webservices
[08:24] <Seveas> but I hate ant :)
[08:24] <DemisM> DXT you should have members of group blah have all priviledges
[08:24] <DemisM> so go to  /etc/group and add the user to the admin or root group
[08:24] <BockBilbo> mmm i see... Seveas so ant is designed more for web apps, right?
[08:24] <Seveas> and ant is not yet available from the ubuntu repositories (will be soon i suppose)
[08:24] <BockBilbo> for jsp's i guess ?
[08:24] <Seveas> no
[08:24] <DXT> I'll try that then
[08:25] <Seveas> web services are no java server pages
[08:25] <Seveas> web services is something different
[08:25] <BockBilbo> mmm
[08:25] <BockBilbo> you mean apache services?
[08:25] <DemisM> DXT yeah just add the user to the admin group and it should work :)
[08:25] <pengwen> DarthFrog: how is ubuntu easier then debain to maintain?
[08:25] <Seveas> BockBilbo, no it's different (and quite hard to explain in 3 lines)
[08:25] <DarthFrog> pengwen: It probably isn't.  I was adding on to the previous comment about what you want in a server OS.
[08:26] <Seveas> you should google for web services, tomcat, jakarta and soap if you want to know more
[08:26] <BockBilbo> oh
[08:26] <BockBilbo> :)
[08:26] <BockBilbo> ok
[08:26] <DarthFrog> pengwen: But with more frequent, up to date stable releases, that's going to be an inherent advantage of Ubuntu.
[08:26] <BockBilbo> I know what they are so
[08:26] <BockBilbo> :)
[08:26] <BockBilbo> ok
[08:26] <Wim> ant is just used to automate the compiling of java programs, no matter what...be it servlets or swt applications..whatever
[08:26] <Seveas> if you want simple java programs: use make for compiling
[08:26] <DXT> DemisM: you mean the "adm" group? it's already there..
[08:27] <BockBilbo> Seveas, you mean javac, right ?
[08:27] <Seveas> wim, true, but the specialties of ant lie with WS afaik
[08:27] <pengwen> thanks for some more clues on finding the perfect linux-distro ;)
[08:27] <Seveas> you can call javac from make :)
[08:27] <DemisM> DXT no the admin group
[08:27] <BockBilbo> Seveas, ohh
[08:27] <BockBilbo> so...
[08:27] <DemisM> DXT it is near the end
[08:27] <Seveas> just like you call gcc from make for compiling c stuff
[08:27] <Wim> well ant can run easily on a server...for client side applications i just use eclipse to automate the build proces :)
[08:27] <Gecko> Btw, I cannot seem to find the linux-wlan-ng package in Ubuntu, only the relevant -doc package. Why is that?
[08:27] <BockBilbo> if my program is planned to be a system application, should i use ant for making it?
[08:27] <Seveas> and calling pdflatex for building pdf's
[08:28] <Seveas> BockBilbo, make is easier to learn :)
[08:28] <BockBilbo> mmm well im used to javac ...
[08:28] <Jamminpotato> is it possible to get sound working on ubuntu live?
[08:28] <Zevin> morning all
[08:28] <Seveas> BockBilbo, you will still need that
[08:28] <BockBilbo> but... the thing is that im making a bluetooth server in java
[08:28] <netsack> does anybody know why xscreensaver would keep dying on hoary?
[08:28] <BockBilbo> for sending messages to a j2me client that will be ran in a mobile phone
[08:29] <blury> ubuntu lacks a comic book reader (cbr/cbz)
[08:29] <DXT> DemisM: My user is there too.. Can't I just add a line in sudoers to make my user access sudo w/o pass? like NOPASSWD: ALL but just for my user?
[08:29] <blury> it was such a pain to find one,only cbview worked
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> blury,  egads!
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> The Humanity!
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> :P
[08:30] <DemisM> DXT: man sudo
[08:30] <Zevin> i got a quick question
[08:30] <Seveas> blury, do there exist packages for cbr/cbz?
[08:30] <BockBilbo> Seveas, should i try ant in my case for building the server part?
[08:30] <Zevin> by default, the hoary disc i got had 2.6.10-4-386 kernel
[08:30] <Seveas> BockBilbo, if it is small, just stick to calling javac manually :)
[08:30] <Zevin> should i use the k7 version?
[08:30] <blury> If i knew how to make packages,I would probably make one for cbview or qcomic
[08:30] <BockBilbo> Seveas, its a complex program
[08:31] <BockBilbo> with menus, taskbar, etc
[08:31] <blury> there are cbr and cbz are comic book archives
[08:31] <Seveas> BockBilbo, then learn ant :)
[08:31] <BockBilbo> mm ok
[08:31] <BockBilbo> thank you so much
[08:31] <BockBilbo> :)
[08:31] <BockBilbo> gonna take a look at it so
[08:31] <BockBilbo> ;)
[08:31] <blury> some of the libraries on ubuntu are old
[08:31] <BockBilbo> bye!
[08:31] <blury> like the Qt
[08:31] <blury> bie
[08:32] <BockBilbo> cya later
[08:32] <Zevin> can anyone help me with kernels?
[08:32] <Lenny1729> hi all, does sb. know a linux prog that can find a pattern in a picture? sth. like visgrep in the xautomation package, but more powerful
[08:32] <bestadvocate> hey guys. I am trying to play a .mov file and neither totem-xine or mplayer can handle the audio codec, mplayer tells me it cant find "0x324D4451" any suggestions?
[08:33] <Alexmipego> bestadvocate, have u the needed codecs?
[08:34] <andril> hello all
[08:34] <Wim> bestadvocate, it's probably sorenson codec, no linux decoder
[08:34] <DemisM> DXT: man sudoers also
[08:34] <Zevin> i tried booting 2.6.11 k7 instead of the default 2.6.10-4-386, and when i did, lots of stuff failed to boot, most noteably ndiswraper.ko
[08:34] <Wim> it's patented
[08:34] <andril>  can someone help my find "system properties"?
[08:34] <PD> Hi ppl
[08:34] <bestadvocate> Alexmipego: i thinks so
[08:34] <PD> when i try smbmount i get this message
[08:34] <bestadvocate> Wim: what?
[08:34] <andril> like how much memory I am running with
[08:34] <DXT> DemisM: I've tried both manuals but still didn't get how to make what I want work.. That's why I am here :)
[08:35] <PD> rufo@:~ $ smbmount //<IP_ADDRESS>/punefiles punefiles/ -o username=officeuser
[08:35] <PD> Password:
[08:35] <PD> smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000)
[08:35] <PD> smbmnt failed: 1
[08:35] <DXT> http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/temp/seth/blog/xshots.html pwnage
[08:35] <PD> but when i do a chmod +s on the bin it gives me this error
[08:35] <dazed_> can anyone tell me why one of my ubuntu comuters shows up in "network:///" as an smb folder not nsf and the other ubuntu computer will not show up at all??
[08:35] <zenrox> andril, goto applications -> system tools then system montor
[08:35] <PD> ufo@:~ $ smbmount //<IP_ADDRESS>/punefiles punefiles/ -o username=officeuser
[08:35] <PD> libsmb based programs must *NOT* be setuid root.
[08:35] <PD> 7100: Connection to <IP_ADDRESS> failed
[08:35] <zenrox> andril,  and the 2nd tab
[08:36] <PD> does anybody know how to go ahead of this problem
[08:36] <andril> Resources - right
[08:36] <Se7h> who's calling me
[08:36] <zenrox> PD, try mounting it useing the mount cmd and not smbmount
[08:36] <Se7h> oh, no one
[08:37] <andril> strange it shows 885.4mb
[08:37] <dazed_> can anyone tell me why one of my ubuntu comuters shows up in "network:///" as an smb folder not nsf and the other ubuntu computer will not show up at all??
[08:37] <zerovertex> how can I list the files that are installed with I install a package with apt-get?
[08:37] <PD> ok will try zenrox
[08:37] <andril> I was supposed to have 1gb
[08:37] <zenrox> andril,  linux uses about 16 megs for kernel
[08:37] <blury> zerovertex  SYMANTEC
[08:37] <zerovertex> after it is install, that is.
[08:37] <zerovertex> blury, you mean synaptic??
[08:38] <DXT> Wtf.... There's a hovering pixel on my desktop.. its a small white box..
[08:38] <blury> yeah
[08:38] <andril> zenrox, thanks alot
[08:38] <blury> lol
[08:38] <zerovertex> lol
[08:38] <DemisM> DXT in your type sudo visudo
[08:38] <zenrox> andril,  n/p
[08:38] <DXT> yeah i always use visudo
[08:38] <andril> gonna be back for sure - thanks again!
[08:38] <DXT> whats that white box?! omg im scared
[08:38] <DemisM> then root    ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
[08:38] <DXT> thats too easy
[08:38] <DXT> i want only for my user
[08:39] <DXT> :'(
[08:39] <DemisM> or to the admin
[08:39] <Jamminpotato> what time is it?
[08:39] <DXT> or for the admins
[08:39] <dazed_> ANYONE!?
[08:39] <DemisM> so then add your user to the admin group
[08:39] <DXT> it is
[08:39] <bestadvocate> did anyone download the trailers for hitchhikers guide the the galexy that were posted on slashdot?
[08:39] <DXT> there :(
[08:39] <Unipal> has anyone installed Hoary on a MSI K8N Neo4 PC?
[08:39] <DemisM> %admin  ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
[08:39] <DXT> thanks!
[08:39] <DemisM> that is only to users in the admin group
[08:39] <dazed_> can anyone tell me why one of my ubuntu comuters shows up in "network:///" as an smb folder not nsf and the other ubuntu computer will not show up at all??
[08:40] <DemisM> so whenever you want a person to have sudo abilities just add it to the admin group /etc/admin
[08:40] <Zevin> nope, but i've got it on an nForce4 mobo, least we know that works.
[08:40] <PD> zenrox this is what I get
[08:40] <DXT> DemisM: when I put that line it says error in that line..
[08:40] <PD> rufo@:~ $ mount -t smbfs //<IP_ADDRESS>/punefiles punefiles/ -o username=officeuser
[08:40] <PD> mount: only root can do that
[08:40] <dazed_> PD: type sudo in front
[08:40] <Unipal> it is a nforce4
[08:40] <DemisM> DXT don't add the line
[08:41] <DXT> I changed the original
[08:41] <PD> zenrox can I do it in such a way that normal users can excute mount
[08:41] <DXT> so..?
[08:41] <DemisM> %admin  ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
[08:41] <PD> chmos +s
[08:41] <PD> chmod +s
[08:41] <thundrcleeze> yes, type sudo
[08:41] <DXT> that's exacly what I did..
[08:41] <dazed_> to mount u have to have root privelages
[08:41] <dazed_> so you must type sudo
[08:41] <DemisM> and you're getting an error?
[08:41] <PD> dazed_ will chmod +s work
[08:41] <Unipal> has anyone installed Hoary on a MSI K8N Neo4 PC?
[08:42] <DemisM> exit without saving
[08:42] <dazed_> PD: i doubt it ... why not just mount it with sudo? if you mount in fstab u dont need to type sudo but then it mounts only when it loads fstab
[08:42] <DXT> yep error.. ok
[08:42] <DemisM> type sudo visudo
[08:42] <DXT> there
[08:42] <PD> hmm dazed_ thats nice
[08:42] <DemisM> # Members of the admin group may gain root privileges
[08:42] <DemisM> %admin  ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
[08:43] <PD> but the one am trying is a laptop
[08:43] <DemisM> everything else should be left the same
[08:43] <dazed_> PD: what are u trying to do share files between two computers?
[08:43] <PD> so my bos can boot and then think I should connect to the network
[08:43] <synd> whats the command that sets sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade to automatically run every X amt of time?
[08:43] <PD> dazed_ I need to share files from a linux server to a windows desktop and a linux laptop
[08:43] <PD> so I thought to go ahead with SAMBA
[08:44] <synd> PD: samba?
[08:44] <synd> PD: nevermind
[08:44] <DemisM> DXT got it?
[08:44] <dazed_> ok well...ill tell you one thing your going to need some windows apps to access the linux server from windows box
[08:44] <dazed_> PD: ^
[08:44] <DXT> DemisM: Ok it works, I got what I did wrong in sudoers, thanks a lot!
[08:44] <DemisM> np
[08:44] <synd> whats the command that sets sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade to automatically run every X amt of time?
[08:45] <PD> dazed_ in windows there is an option to mout at start up so I will be using that
[08:45] <dazed_> PD: for the linux box goto "network:///" in nautilus and see if the linux server comes up
[08:45] <PD> ok I will try that
[08:45] <PD> dazed
[08:45] <DemisM> DXT: I wouldn't recommend it though, allowing it to prompt you for the passwd the first time ensures you know what you're doing
[08:45] <PD> dazed_ will it work in konqueror
[08:45] <PD> its a KDE on ubuntu
[08:46] <dazed_> PD: i am just saying from experience the only way to connect to a linux server or linuxbox through putty or win2serv or something like that
[08:46] <dazed_> i dont think "network:///" comes up in konqueror
[08:46] <dazed_> is*(
[08:47] <dazed_> i am actually having more problems sharing between 2 ubuntu computers then i am with windows and linux
[08:47] <blury> thats weird
[08:47] <blury> kinda
[08:48] <PD> dazed_ ok
[08:48] <dazed_> my dual booted laptop....doesnt share its linux files via smb or via nsf....my PC 100% linux shares its files via smb only no nsf but it can pick up windows networks fine on both computers when on linux
[08:49] <dazed_> PD: btw that program that makes Windows sharing with linux ULTRA EASY is 'WinSCP3'
[08:50] <dazed_> just open it up connect to the server and your there browsing through folders
[08:50] <Amaranth> yeah, it's almost as nice as gnome-vfs :)
[08:50] <holycow> hi guys
[08:51] <holycow> hey i screwed my sarge install accidentally and i'm thinking of giving ubuntu desktop a try ... i got a coupla questions
[08:51] <Zevin> is there i way to close X and go to terminal without rebooting?
[08:51] <holycow> where in terms of development is ubuntu right now?  is it actually considered stable?
[08:51] <blury> in gnome there is
[08:51] <thundrcleeze> Yes, holycow.
[08:51] <tritium> holycow, there's a release candidate for Hoary released just today
[08:51] <JDigital> warty is stable
[08:51] <blury> ctrl+alt+back
[08:52] <thundrcleeze> blury, I think he's asking how to terminate gnome, not to restart it.
[08:52] <topyli> tritium: it was released a long time ago
[08:52] <holycow> how is the release cycle of ubuntu described then ... there is an rc, and then a final?
[08:52] <topyli> the candidate
[08:52] <tritium> topyli, no, today
[08:52] <DemisM> once stable is out how do you stick to it, until the next release?
[08:52] <holycow> so hoary is rc right now, what is current stable then?
[08:52] <DemisM> wharty
[08:52] <DemisM> warty
[08:53] <topyli> tritium: there's a further generation of the "preview"?
[08:53] <thundrcleeze> There's a release every six months.
[08:53] <smurfslay> hi there
[08:53] <holycow> 6 months? oh cool
[08:53] <tritium> topyli, http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/
[08:53] <holycow> next stable should be when approximately?
[08:53] <thundrcleeze> holycow, warty was released last october.
[08:53] <tritium> topyli, it's in the topic
[08:53] <holycow> oh so in a few months then? cool
[08:54] <thundrcleeze> Actually, very soon.
[08:54] <tritium> topyli, it's not the preview.  it's a release candidate
[08:54] <holycow> from the sounds of that i may as well just install hoary and wait to dist upgrade when it is released as stable?
[08:54] <thundrcleeze> April will be the next release.
[08:54] <smurfslay> has anyone running a TV Card with Phillips MK3 Tuner and Connexant MPEG Encoder chip under Ubuntu?
[08:54] <Seveas> holycow, just install hoary rc and keep upgrading
[08:54] <tritium> holycow, i would do that.  see the release candidate URL in the topic
[08:54] <topyli> tritium: very cool
[08:54] <Seveas> the next release is in ONE WEEK :)
[08:54] <holycow> okay cool
[08:54] <holycow> thanks guys
[08:55] <Flonne> +2 days, Seveas.
[08:55] <thundrcleeze> Have fun with it, holycow
[08:55] <DemisM> what's so bad about always upgrading?
[08:55] <Seveas> :)
[08:55] <topyli> tritium: looks like somebody's deadline is holding :)
[08:55] <Seveas> nothing DemisM :)
[08:55] <DemisM> why doesn't everyone do it then?
[08:55] <tritium> DemisM, I do it
[08:55] <Seveas> well, it's a maintenance burden
[08:55] <holycow> thundrcleeze, hehe :) i tried the gnome2.10 live cd and really liked the way the ui was organized and other customizations
[08:56] <Seveas> holycow, the gnome2.10 livecd is based on ubuntu hoary :)
[08:56] <thundrcleeze> My warty cds finally came today.
[08:56] <holycow> i guess it's time to give it a run on this workstation
[08:56] <DemisM> Seveas,  as far as what?
[08:56] <holycow> Seveas, oh cool :) thats great!
[08:57] <Amaranth> thundrcleeze: Ouch, a little late. :P
[08:57] <Seveas> thundrcleeze, when did you order them??
[08:57] <blury> and the next  release-is it stable
[08:57] <holycow> so based on the hoary page, ubuntu focuses on x86 and powerpc architectures then?
[08:58] <Seveas> x86/ppc/AMD64
[08:58] <blury> i have a amd athlon 2000+
[08:58] <Seveas> sparc port is being worked on (slowly)
[08:58] <blury> this has always been bugging me
[08:58] <thundrcleeze> December?  January?
[08:58] <blury> what architecture is amd athlon 2000+
[08:58] <holycow> thats cool, most users are on the other architectures
[08:58] <Seveas> blury, x86
[08:58] <Amaranth> blury: k7
[08:58] <Seveas> use the -k7 kernels
[08:59] <blury> thanks
[08:59] <Seveas> install linux-k7, includes the restricted modules :)
[08:59] <blury> with apt-get?
[08:59] <Seveas> yes
[08:59] <holycow> oh one other thing, i know ubuntu tries to stay as close to debian as possible only forking stuff temporarily until the changes make it back to debian ....
[08:59] <Seveas> apt-get install linux-k7
[08:59] <Seveas> wait a while
[08:59] <blury> is there a possibility this to mess up something?
[08:59] <Seveas> reboot (to start the new kernel)
[09:00] <Seveas> check whether it work
[09:00] <Seveas> works*
[09:00] <blury> will i keep the old one
[09:00] <Seveas> if it doesnt work: reboot into your old kernel
[09:00] <Seveas> yes
[09:00] <holycow> how does one install debian proper stuff on ubuntu as it is based on unstable right?  there must be breakage out there?
[09:00] <blury> thanks guys
[09:00] <Seveas> unless you *explicitely* remove it :)
[09:00] <resiak> holycow: You install stuff from Universe.
[09:00] <blury> will try it now
[09:00] <thundrcleeze> there's always a possiblilty, but if it screws up, you can use grub to select the next kernel on the list
[09:00] <blury> :)
[09:00] <topyli> blury: keep it untl you're sure the new one works :)
[09:00] <resiak> holycow: (which is all the software that Ubuntu packages but doesn't officially support.)
[09:00] <blury> and if its messed,i can uninstall it the same way
[09:01] <Seveas> holycow, all of unstable that builds on the buildd is in universe
[09:01] <thundrcleeze> I don't see why not, blury.
[09:01] <Seveas> blury, yes
[09:01] <blury> thanks
[09:01] <blury> i am gonna get it
[09:01] <blury> right now
[09:01] <holycow> how much breakage is there with stuff in universe?
[09:01] <holycow> i'm just curious about the general experience of users?
[09:01] <zenrox> holycow,  99% if it works just fine
[09:01] <thundrcleeze> Little to no problems here, holycow.
[09:02] <apokryphos> holycow: Quite rare, but there's a few package dependency problems flying about.
[09:02] <holycow> okay
[09:02] <holycow> how is security maintained in ubuntu? is there a security team here?
[09:02] <blury> this will make my pc work faster,right?
[09:02] <topyli> heh
[09:03] <Lefungus> hello
[09:03] <thundrcleeze> It should be more efficent, blury.
[09:03] <thundrcleeze> I believe there is, holycow.
[09:03] <topyli> holycow: it's maintained very professionally. ubuntu is a business after all :)
[09:04] <Jamminpotato> i am  n00b to linux, and im currently runnign ubuntu, hwo do i install a file in the *.bin format?
[09:04] <Levander> Is php5 in backports for warty?
[09:04] <Flonne> What are you trying to install, Jamminpotato?
[09:04] <blury> how is it called,my man?
[09:04] <xan> hi
[09:04] <rcaskey_> Jammin: chmod +X filename then run it
[09:04] <Jamminpotato> im trying to install the steam dedicated server for linux
[09:05] <topyli> Jamminpotato: which file? what are you installing? perhaps ubuntu can do it for you
[09:05] <Jamminpotato> and why is xchat making some lines of text red
[09:06] <Jamminpotato> are those pm's?
[09:06] <blury> LOL
[09:06] <blury> yeah
[09:06] <topyli> Jamminpotato: i have absolutely no idea what that is. but rcaskey_ is right
[09:06] <Seveas> like this, Jamminpotato ?
[09:06] <Jamminpotato> yes like that seveas
[09:06] <topyli> hehehe
[09:06] <Seveas> ok :)
[09:06] <blury> :P
[09:06] <Jamminpotato> is it just lines with my name in ti?
[09:06] <Seveas> maybe xchat is ill :)
[09:06] <holycow> you guys have a decent list of consultancies offering support already
[09:06] <holycow> thats cool
[09:06] <xan> is X more or less busted (depending on the resolution you pick) on powerbook since the -6 xorg 6.8.2 update?
[09:07] <Zevin> ok, the nvidia 6629 drivers don't work. so i downloaded the 6111 dirvers. they said they needed a kernal source to compile, so i used synaptic and downloaded a bunch of kernels stuff, and now it says the wrong kernel source is present. help???
[09:07] <holycow> oh speaking of xorg, ubuntu will be following debians xorg implementation, correct?
[09:07] <topyli> holycow: there's a steady business, and a nice community. what more can you ask? :)
[09:07] <Lefungus> holycow, xorg's already here in hoary
[09:08] <Seveas> woohoo, xchat crashed :s
[09:08] <tritium> Zevin, what do you mean they don't work?  They work quite well for many people.
[09:08] <Flonne> Zevin, you need to be running the kernel you want to build the nVidia kernel driver against, and it needs to be symlinked to /usr/src/linux; chances are 2.6.10-4-386 is still linked there.
[09:08] <Flonne> tritium, Zevin has a card the new drivers boke support for.
[09:08] <holycow> topyli, i like being able to purchase support, thats great
[09:08] <Flonne> broke*
[09:09] <Zevin> i mean, from what i can find on google, my particular laptop video card only works with the 6111
[09:09] <tritium> Flonne, which card?
[09:09] <Seveas> holycow, ubuntu is easy to support, that's why there are companies supporting it :)
[09:09] <Flonne> It's the same "model" as mine, but I've heard of this problem before.
[09:09] <tritium> hmm
[09:09] <topyli> holycow: if you are a business, get paid support. otherwise, you'll get help here and elsewhere. it's nice that all the knowledge that people have about debian is transferrable to ubuntu
[09:10] <Zevin> hey flonne, should i ypgrade my kernel to 10-5, or 11? how bout the k7 versions?
[09:10] <holycow> topyli, and vise versa
[09:11] <Flonne> I'm still using 10-5 on my Ubuntu boxes.
[09:11] <holycow> okay cool thanks for answering all my questions
[09:11] <holycow> awesome :)
[09:11] <mathmatt> Is there a way to configure the gnome applications menu to allow right-click-add-to-menu-type functionality?
[09:11] <Flonne> k7 isn't of much use if you have a modern AMD chip.
[09:11] <topyli> holycow: yes, that's a promise canonical ltd. made while building ubuntu
[09:11] <Flonne> It isn't of any use if you have an Intel chip.
[09:11] <beerockxs> can anyone tell me why my gnome-volume-control does not have a settings menu?
[09:11] <Xappe> when are they going to fix the bug that prevents the mounted volumes in /media to show up in Places?
[09:11] <mathmatt> under hoary that is
[09:12] <Xappe> would be nice to have that feature
[09:12] <mathmatt> Xappe: shat version?
[09:12] <mathmatt> What
[09:12] <Flonne> Yes, stupid n00b questions are the best way to learn.
[09:12] <holycow> oh thats just fucking sweet
[09:12] <mathmatt> sorry
[09:12] <Zevin> i tried booting 2.6.11 k7, and ndiswrapper.ko failed to boot
[09:12] <holycow> haha i was looking at getting someone to write that :)
[09:12] <MHaggag> Hi all. I've got a couple of dumb questions...
[09:12] <Flonne> Zevin, what kind of processor do you have?
[09:12] <tritium> Zevin, there are no linux-restricted-modules yet for 2.6.11
[09:12] <Zevin> athlon xp 2800
[09:13] <tritium> so it's not really supported yet
[09:13] <Zevin> ahh
[09:13] <Zevin> so, shouldi upgrade from 10-4 to 10-5?
[09:13] <apokryphos> MHaggag: well, fire away. :)
[09:13] <tritium> That's what I would do
[09:13] <Zevin> kk
[09:13] <dashnu> will someone please post the out put of there default user.. the 'groups' command
[09:13] <blury> athlon Xp 2000+ is supported,right? for the K7?
[09:13] <dashnu> i borked my groups up
[09:13] <Flonne> Zevin, if you absolutely need to have 2.6.11, I can walk you through a manual compile and explain how to remove the files later, but it isn't recommended.
[09:14] <Zevin> na, but thanks flonne
[09:14] <Seveas> dashnu, what do you mean, you want a copy of /etc/groups?
[09:14] <Xappe> mathmatt: hoary
[09:14] <dashnu> just type groups
[09:14] <dashnu> would be fine
[09:14] <MHaggag> Okay:
[09:14] <MHaggag> 1 - How do I change the language used in the login screen? It's currently arabic, changing it to POSIX english form the language button below only changes the language used in gnome itself, after the login
[09:14] <Seveas> dennis@mirage ~ $ groups
[09:14] <Seveas> dennis adm dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev lpadmin scanner
[09:14] <Jamminpotato> i jsut got anothe n00b question!
[09:14] <Seveas> so this :)
[09:14] <dashnu> thx very much
[09:14] <Seveas> yw
[09:15] <mathmatt> beerocks: do you mean System->Prefs->Sound? or right click sound icon and Open Volume Control?
[09:15] <Jamminpotato> when i was doing chmod +X and then the place, the folder the file is in has a space in it
[09:15] <Jamminpotato> so its alike i cnat find that
[09:15] <kbrede> dashnu look in /etc/group-
[09:15] <beerockxs> mathmatt: right click sound icon
[09:15] <Xappe> hello tritium btw :)
[09:15] <tritium> hi Xappe  :)
[09:15] <Seveas> Jamminpotato, use tab completion or type spaces as "\ " (without the quotes)
[09:15] <dashnu> i nuked my sudo access and have no root
[09:15] <dashnu> :(
[09:15] <dashnu> hah
[09:15] <Bloody|RLC> The Ubuntu Team is proud to announce a release candidate for Ubuntu 5.04:
[09:15] <Bloody|RLC>   Ubuntu 5.04 RC - codenamed "Hoary Hedgehog" (*)
[09:15] <dashnu> i am booting to gentoo live disk to fix
[09:15] <Seveas> :)
[09:15] <tritium> Bloody|RLC, that's in the topic ;)
[09:16] <dashnu> what a pain
[09:16] <Flonne> dashnu, do you know the process you'll need to use or do you want some help?
[09:16] <holycow> oh i remembered one more question .... is there any discussion within the debian community/ubuntu about a kernel that supports bootsplash?
[09:16] <beerockxs> mathmatt: the help in there shows a settings menu, and i don't have a settings menu
[09:16] <Seveas> dashnu, then just don't screw up these kind of things ;)
[09:16] <Jamminpotato> seveas: thank you
[09:16] <Xira> I just did an apt-get install openoffice.org2 - openoffice 1.3 is still there, so is it safe to do an apt-get remove openoffice.org (this wont delete 2, right?) ?
[09:16] <dashnu> no i no what i need to do thanks
[09:16] <bitar> hey all..
[09:16] <holycow> just wondering if anyone here has their finger on that issue and what is being considered
[09:16] <tritium> holycow, they're wokring on something called usplash
[09:16] <bitar> where can i download Web Browsers other than Firefox and Mozilla...
[09:16] <holycow> okay i'll google that
[09:16] <tritium> it's a bootsplash that runs in userspace, sort of
[09:16] <Seveas> holycow, there is
[09:16] <bitar> ?
[09:16] <holycow> thank you
[09:16] <tritium> holycow, it won't be ready until the next release (not Hoary)
[09:16] <Seveas> holycow, look at the wiki
[09:17] <Flonne> bitar, there are other browsers in the Ubuntu repository.
[09:17] <Flonne> What did you have in mind?
[09:17] <Seveas> USplash looks promising :)
[09:17] <topyli> bitar: which browsers?
[09:17] <holycow> oh next release? is this going to be an ubuntu patch or debian stock kernel?
[09:17] <Flonne> tritium, a userspace bootsplash?
[09:17] <holycow> okay okay i'll wiki :)
[09:17] <holycow> you guys rock btw
[09:17] <Flonne> Would that just be some sort of funky FB pixmap?
[09:17] <tritium> Flonne, yeah
[09:17] <holycow> i don't sense any jedi assholes in here :)
[09:17] <holycow> hehehe
[09:17] <mathmatt> beerocksxs: on hoary?
[09:17] <Seveas> holycow, debian kernel with extra ubuntu patches afaik (but not sure)
[09:18] <Seveas> ask the kernel team if you want to be absolutely sure (#ubuntu-kernel)
[09:18] <topyli> holycow: bad senses you have. hmmm...
[09:18] <tritium> holycow, userspace, so no kernel patches afaik
[09:18] <holycow> topyli, hahaha :)
[09:18] <topyli> heh
[09:18] <bitar> Flonne: something that's not based on Mozilla... coz i'm having a problem with my ISP
[09:18] <holycow> have they managed to migrate to this group too?
[09:18] <beerockxs> mathmatt: warty, if warty is the older one
[09:18] <holycow> tritium, oh userspace? oh thats sweet
[09:18] <Seveas> Flonne, it's more than a funky FB pixmap
[09:18] <Seveas> look at the wiki :)
[09:18] <holycow> now i understand the meaning of usplash
[09:18] <holycow> okay cool
[09:18] <Xira> I just did an apt-get install openoffice.org2 - openoffice 1.3 is still there, so is it safe to do an apt-get remove openoffice.org (this wont delete 2, right?) ?
[09:19] <mathmatt> Xappe: are you mounting devices, networked computers, hard drives?
[09:19] <Seveas> Xira, if you want to test it, try apt-get -s remove
[09:19] <Jamminpotato> i finally got the chmod command to work but a. nothing happened and b. what exactly does chmod do?
[09:19] <MHaggag> Okay, nobody's answered #1, so let's try #2:
[09:19] <MHaggag> Whenever I fire the network-admin, and change the profile, press Ok, it doesn't save anything (If I reopen it, I find it's still using the old profile)
[09:19] <Xappe> mathmatt, partitions
[09:19] <Seveas> -s means simulate :)
[09:19] <topyli> holycow: doesn't work right just now, that's all. (usplash)
[09:19] <Flonne> Is Epiphany based on GTKHTML?
[09:19] <mathmatt> beerockxs: i don't see it in the help for Hoary
[09:20] <Xappe> mathmatt, they show up now and then, but extremely rarely
[09:20] <Arnia> Flonne: Epiphany is Gecko
[09:20] <Flonne> That's what I thought, Arnia.
[09:20] <Seveas> MHaggag, about the languages: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[09:20] <beerockxs> mathmatt: well, how do i then get my 5.1 sound working?
[09:20] <holycow> okay thats brilliant thinking, bootsplash in userspace
[09:20] <Jamminpotato> can anyone tell the poor n00bPotato what chmod does?
[09:20] <holycow> really nice work, no worries whenever just curious, its more important to do it right than to get it out fast
[09:20] <Flonne> Jamminpotato, it changes the permissions on a file.
[09:20] <MHaggag> @Sevas: Erm...is that a command or what?
[09:20] <mathmatt> Xappe: I've had problems with iPod and networked computers under samba
[09:20] <blury>  chmod -Help
[09:20] <bitar> Flonne: other than Epiphany :D
[09:20] <Arnia> holycow: Will also allow bootsplash to react to DBUS
[09:21] <Tomcat_> Jamminpotato: chmod sets if people can read, write and/or execute a file
[09:21] <Flonne> Jamminpotato, it basically allows different people to access the file and do things to it.
[09:21] <Tomcat_> Jamminpotato: For its owner, for its group and all other people
[09:21] <holycow> Arnia, no shit? oh, that just warps my mind
[09:21] <bitar> something similar to internet explorer... not coz i like it but for my STUPID ISP
[09:21] <holycow> what sorts of things does that make possible?
[09:21] <topyli> Jamminpotato: in short, it changes a file's permissions. what can the owner, the owner's group, and "everybody else" do with it.
[09:21] <tritium> Jamminpotato, are you familiar with how to read manpages?  They'll come in handy for you.
[09:22] <K-Rich> greets
[09:22] <Xappe> mathmatt: it's not really a problem. I still can use them as for any mounted device, but they won't show up on the desktop or in places, wich would be quite handy
[09:22] <Flonne> bitar, do you know how your ISP restricts Gecko (Mozilla) browsers?
[09:22] <bitar> so any know a browser?
[09:22] <K-Rich> Xappe: removed udev ?
[09:22] <bitar> Flonne: well i dunno...
[09:22] <bitar> i called them , they said that they dont' work:S
[09:22] <bitar> idiots...
[09:22] <bitar> so they told me to try knoquerer...
[09:23] <bitar> Flonne: do you know any alternatives/
[09:23] <Flonne> bitar, I was considering that, but you'd need several KDE libraries.
[09:23] <topyli> bitar: what exactly is your problem?
[09:23] <K-Rich> firefox
[09:23] <Flonne> bitar, no, not without knowing what the actual problem is.
[09:23] <tritium> Jamminpotato, if you dislike the command-line for reading manpages, you can also read them in yelp (Gnome's help system)
[09:23] <Arnia> holycow: It means that the usplash can react to the proposed DBUS services agent (which aims to reduce the footprint of services and their startup times)
[09:24] <Jamminpotato> tritium, what are manpages, i assume manual possibly?
[09:24] <tritium> Jamminpotato, you got it :)
[09:24] <bitar> i'll tell you guys my problem in couple of minutes..
[09:24] <bitar> brb
[09:24] <dashnu> all rity then i wont do that again!
[09:24] <ren0> Hi, Is anybody else having problems connecting to MSN Messenger with gaim?
[09:24] <Flonne> Yes, ren0.
[09:24] <ren0> Mine just stopped working an hour ago. Thanks Flonne . Not just me then.
[09:24] <Xappe> K-Rich: no? the cd still apears on the desktop
[09:24] <topyli> Jamminpotato: you have a command, say "tar". if you want to know what it does and what it can do for you, you will do "man tar" and get the manual
[09:24] <Bazzi> I cannot connect to it using msn messenger either
[09:24] <Xappe> *appears
[09:24] <Seveas> ren0, msn is borky right now
[09:25] <Bazzi> so network isd own or so
[09:25] <tritium> Jamminpotato, also, as somebody pointed out, many programs have a -h or --help switch
[09:25] <ompaul> date for hoary? I am having a constructive 'debate' about the value of hoary CDs for the Irish Expo on the 13th/14th April
[09:25] <Jamminpotato> topyli, thats pretty cool
[09:25] <Jamminpotato> this linux hting seems prety not that bad
[09:25] <yahalom> hi. my ubuntu update claims i have broken packages, which are the mesa-gl files, i dont want them to upgrde as they want to overwrite my ati settings which i need. How do I remove/ignore the mesa update? It wont let me update anything, as long as those packages aren't fixed. Assistance appreciated ;)
[09:25] <ren0> Microsoft screwing around or is it Hoary's version of gaim?
[09:25] <Flonne> ompaul, April 8th.
[09:25] <topyli> Jamminpotato: yes, it's an old unix tradition :)
[09:25] <Xira> Guys, RC was released today... I'm using the preview release. How can I upgrade?
[09:25] <ompaul> thanks
[09:25] <Seveas> ren0, ms :)
[09:25] <tritium> ren0, MSN is down right now, if that's what you mean
[09:26] <tritium> even for people on Windows
[09:26] <Lefungus> tritium, it's down ? it's not my computer or my firewall ? :)
[09:26] <Jamminpotato> now al i ahve to do is acutally install ubuntu instead of running the live cd =/
[09:26] <yahalom> ren0, yeah it happens often
[09:26] <ompaul> Flonne, the word on the other end of the phone "their timing could be just about right" :)
[09:26] <ren0> Microsoft with its "superior operating system" has crashed? Ha ha
[09:26] <topyli> Jamminpotato: go! go!
[09:26] <tritium> Lefungus, yeah, it is
[09:26] <Lefungus> good