[05:58] <mattt> *yawn*
[06:16] <MartijnVdS> Yay. No train service from/to Amsterdam.
[06:16] <MartijnVdS> "We have a problem communicating with the signals and switches"
[06:17] <mattt> WFH!
[06:19] <MartijnVdS> "Expected to be fixed by 9:00"
[06:20] <MartijnVdS> mattt: I'm considering that.. or going by car and paying towering parking fees
[06:24] <mattt> how long's the drive ?
[06:24] <MartijnVdS> 30 minutes (45 with traffic)
[06:24] <MartijnVdS> I can also just go to work after 9
 :)
[06:29] <shauno> isn't this what you've been practicing for?  just run!
[06:37] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[06:39] <MartijnVdS> Yay. estimate has been changed from 9:00 to "early afternoon"
[06:39] <MartijnVdS> Tempted to take a bike.
[06:41] <MartijnVdS> Yes. I'll do that.
[06:51] <mattt> run dammit run
[08:23] <diplo> Morning
[08:23] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:32] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:47] <DJones> Morning all
[08:55] <BigRedS> G'morning!
[09:03] <daubers> Morning
[09:06] <bigcalm_lappy> Good morning peeps :)
[09:11] <DJones> Morning bigcalm_lappy
[09:13] <bigcalm_lappy> Hi DJones
[09:13] <davmor2> morning all
[09:50] <mrevell> davmor2, bigcalm_lappy: Just to confirm, I won't make it today :(
[09:51] <bigcalm_lappy> mrevell: a shame, I hope your family gets well soon
[09:51] <mrevell> thanks chapo
[09:51] <bigcalm_lappy> And on that note, time for a bacon sandwich!
[09:52] <davmor2> mrevell: shutup typing on here and go look after your kin ;)
[09:57] <JamesTait> Good morning, everyone! :D
[09:59] <bigcalm_lappy> Oh my, stary-eyed surprise
[10:15] <gord> i like Jorge's google+ posts it assures me that i'm not the only nerd at my company ;)
[10:15]  * bigcalm_lappy wonders if davmor2 is being quieter than usual because one of his cow-orkers is here
[10:16] <gord> have you guys set up a shrine to me in my abstinence?
[10:16] <gord> absence
[10:16] <gord> spellcheck = bad
[10:17] <czajkowski> lol
[10:18] <czajkowski> gord: why aren't you there?
[10:18] <czajkowski> gord: oi there are lots of nerds in your company mister!
[10:18] <gord> release to kick out the door today :)
[10:18] <czajkowski> take that back !
[10:19] <gord> well, there are nerds, then there are those of us that have seen every episode of star trek: tng, stargate: all of them and buffy, among many others
[10:19] <bigcalm_lappy> czajkowski: you'll always be a rugby nerd in my heart
[10:20] <bigcalm_lappy> gord: the bacon sandwiches are missing you
[10:20] <czajkowski> bigcalm_lappy: :)
[10:21] <bigcalm_lappy> Damn, should have brought some floss with me
[10:37] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:39] <bigcalm_lappy> Morning
[10:40] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[10:40] <czajkowski> davmor2: elo ello
[10:41] <davmor2> czajkowski: should think so too :P
[10:42] <davmor2> gord: make the blue message windows stop please...........
[10:43] <gord> davmor2, update? should be a new notify-osd by now
[10:43] <davmor2> gord: I'm on current
[10:45] <bigcalm_lappy> I'm on my last legs
[10:46] <gord> davmor2, then i guess wait for an update :)
[10:47] <davmor2> gord: you're an evil evil man I like it
[10:51] <AlanBell> davmor2: they still blue for you? did they ever go normal?
[10:52] <davmor2> AlanBell: nope never went normal
[10:52] <AlanBell> ah, mine did
[10:52] <davmor2> I use the snowdon image on the desktop though
[10:52] <AlanBell> was blue again a couple of days ago, then went back to normal
[10:53] <AlanBell> I use the default bruise
[10:53] <brobostigon> morning bigcalm_lappy
[10:53] <brobostigon> morning gord , davmor2 and AlanBell
[10:53] <davmor2> morning brobostigon
[10:54] <brobostigon> i just found the ubuntu one, home dir backup in precise, it is a good idea.
[10:57] <bigcalm_lappy> All I ever hear about Ubuntu1 is people losing stuff. Kinda puts me off using it
[10:57] <brobostigon> i also use dropbox.
[10:58] <BigRedS> bigcalm_lappy: well, nobody's going to talk about how U1 just didn't delete all their files
[11:01] <gord> bigcalm_lappy, its worth noting that all my ranting about u1 has always been because i'm on unstable releases :)
[11:01] <ali1234> my notifications are the right colour now but the launcher is still blue
[11:01] <DJones> BigRedS: I'm struggling to find somewhere with a xoom in stock, I may have to go with a galaxy tab
[11:01] <DJones> bigcalm_lappy: That should have been fo
[11:01] <DJones> sorry bigcalm_lappy
[11:02] <DJones> Complete and utter tab complete fail there
[11:03] <brobostigon> wow, an update to chromium.
[11:03]  * brobostigon has been practising his sarcasm.
[11:03] <balor> czajkowski, Are we giving @sil a holiday?
[11:04] <czajkowski> balor: no playing with blueptrints and needed one that wasnt going to cause too much trouble if I played with it
[11:04] <czajkowski> balor: conference limerick october. you're warned :)
[11:06] <balor> czajkowski, I shall order my stab-vest
[11:07] <balor> czajkowski, In Leinster colours
[11:07] <czajkowski> balor: you my dear can go......
[11:08] <balor> czajkowski, Is this conf to do with the city moving to OSS?
[11:09] <czajkowski> balor: no skynet - skyCon 20th Birthday :D
[11:11] <balor> czajkowski, fun
[11:12] <bigcalm_lappy> DJones: currys no longer stocking them?
[11:12] <bigcalm_lappy> Could be why they were cheapish, selling off end of line stock
[11:13] <DJones> bigcalm_lappy: They don't seem to have any stock, same with Argos, tesco, pcworld (all selling at the same price)
[11:17] <DJones> Or I guess I could look at the xoom 2
[11:20] <bigcalm_lappy> I wonder if the Xoom2 will get ICS in the UK any sooner than the Xoom
[11:20] <DJones> From what I read yesterday, no it won't, original xoom gets it first
[11:23] <dwatkins> I thought the Xoom already had ICS, I just had a customer report a problem with it at least.
[11:27] <DJones> Not yet, its due between March & May in the uk, but if you've got US firmware, they've been updated
[11:28] <dwatkins> aha thanks DJones :)
[11:29] <DJones> Hmmh, why does carphonewarehouse website tell me that the "ipad battery life" in the xoom 2 is 10 hours
[11:30] <ali1234> because it actually has an ipad inside it
[11:30] <ali1234> just like how vhs machines have dvd players inside
[11:31] <DJones> ali1234: I thought it was the iPad that had a Samsung Galaxy Tab inside/outside it (or is the other way round)
[11:32] <gord> you are all wrong, the ipad has an iphone inside it and the rest is just a magnifying lens
[11:36] <DJones> Hmmh, xoom 2 seems to be somewhat more capeable than the galaxy tab
[11:43] <DJones> On the other hand, there's always the transformer prime
[11:47] <popey> hah, ipad = iphone with frenzel lens
[11:47]  * dwatkins is reminded of the film Brazil
[11:47] <popey> i have a friend who had one of those lenses in front of his pc screen about 10 years ago
[11:48] <dwatkins> I gather the head-up displays they are developing to fit into contact lenses will use fresnel lenses to focus the on-eye display
[11:50] <dwatkins> http://www.tomsguide.com/us/1-Pixel-Contact-Lens-HUD-implant,news-13298.html for the curious and non-squeamish
[11:50] <ali1234> 1 pixel
[11:50] <ali1234> so basically it's like shining a torch into your eyes?
[11:54] <DJones> Argh. Decisions, decisions
[11:59] <BigRedS> ali1234: morse code messages
[11:59] <BigRedS> like nokia talked about doing for SMSs
[12:06] <dwatkins> ali1234: it might send you Morse-code messages
[13:11] <daubers> Urgh, I've had to make time to write a document about taking time to consider time
[13:11] <BigRedS> haha
[13:11] <daubers> Somedays I just don't have the time for this
[13:20] <BigRedS> df -h
[13:20] <BigRedS> oops
[13:22] <bigcalm_lappy> Gigs and gigs of goat porn
[13:22] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[13:24] <BigRedS> haha
[13:24] <bigcalm_lappy> Just speculating
[13:24] <bigcalm_lappy> And forgetting that I'm not in another channel that is all about goat porn
[13:25] <BigRedS> find . -name goat\*
[13:25] <BigRedS> oh. dammit. rumbled
[13:29] <daubers> Woot! Quite nice when you see a device you dreamed up in an afternoon in a trade magazine
[13:30] <kirrus> what device? :)
[13:30] <BigRedS> Is that the IPv6 keypad?
[13:31] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: wouldn't that just be a hex keypad?
[13:31] <daubers> kirrus: LTO server thingy
[13:31] <kirrus> Light Transmitting Organ?
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: http://www.ipv6buddy.com/
[13:32] <daubers> kirrus: Tape drive :)
[13:33] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: yeah, that one
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: Showing it to our network guys now :)
[13:33] <BigRedS> MartijnVdS: it's actually a genuine produict
[13:34] <BigRedS> despite the site looking an awful lot like a scap
[13:34] <BigRedS> scam
[13:34]  * BigRedS can't type today
[13:41]  * davmor2 prods bigcalm_lappy oi :P
[13:41]  * bigcalm_lappy falls asleep
[13:42]  * davmor2 prods bigcalm_lappy oi :P
[13:42] <bigcalm_lappy> Hey, I'm trying to sleep here
[13:42]  * davmor2 prods bigcalm_lappy oi :P
[13:43]  * bigcalm_lappy glares
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm_lappy uses GLARE. It's super-effective!
[13:43] <davmor2> bigcalm_lappy: it's a cow-orkers day not a fall asleep day
[13:44] <bigcalm_lappy> Good burger this
[13:44] <gord> maybe its co-naptime
[13:46] <bigcalm_lappy> Despite it looking like it, this isn't pre-school
[13:48] <dwatkins> Burger Time is apparently a very entertaining arcade game.
[13:48] <dwatkins> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BurgerTime
[13:49] <gord> i need to nap as an adult *way* more than i ever needed to as a child
[13:52] <dwatkins> I've had two naps in the past six months.
[13:54] <bigcalm_lappy> dwatkins: I think you should get some more sleep
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: burger time, isn't that a few hours after beer o'clock?
[13:55] <brobostigon> beertime is anytime, burger time is fixed. :(
[13:56] <dwatkins> bigcalm_lappy: you're right, 7 hours isn't enough
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> Sat, Sun are nap days. 14:00 -> Zzz :)
[13:57] <bigcalm_lappy> Visiting my parents this weekend. It'll be another 2 solid days of WordPress support
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm_lappy: .. yay
[13:58] <bigcalm_lappy> :)
[13:59] <dwatkins> could be worse, bigcalm_lappy - could be MS Word support ;)
[13:59] <dwatkins> I tend to help my dad out with his XP installation and backup issues when I'm there
[13:59] <bigcalm_lappy> I pay Bytemark 18 quid a month for a virtual machine for my own use. How much should I charge a club for hosting their website?
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> Whatever they're able to pay ;)
[14:00] <bigcalm_lappy> gord: you'll be happy to know that I've got hic-ups again today
[14:00] <bigcalm_lappy> MartijnVdS: I'm trying to be sensible about this
[14:00] <bigcalm_lappy> Thinking a yearly cost of £not_much
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm_lappy: what do "web-only" hosters ask? Would £10/month be too much?
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> £100/y
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> ?
[14:01] <bigcalm_lappy> I think they are currently paying £80 / year for their hosting
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> 75 then?
[14:05] <diplo> With "personalised" support :)
[14:05] <diplo> IE they can poke you when it doesn't work
[14:06] <bigcalm_lappy> That's the thing, I'm just one man with a VM
[14:07] <bigcalm_lappy> I'm doing this for my dad who is in the club
[14:07] <diplo> I host three sites all for free :)
[14:07] <diplo> <-- sucker
[14:07] <bigcalm_lappy> I host sites for my family for free. But I have no connection with this new thing
[14:08] <bigcalm_lappy> So don't want to be taken for a ride
[14:08] <diplo> Ask for £30 or something then
[14:08] <diplo> I take it that it's very low bandy/disc usage
[14:08] <bigcalm_lappy> A month? Good idea
[14:08] <bigcalm_lappy> I have no idea what the bandwidth usage will be on this site yet
[14:08] <diplo> I'd ask your dad if he knows the people ?
[14:09] <diplo> Is there a reason for you hosting it over last people ?
[14:09] <bigcalm_lappy> Which reminds me, need to set up Google Analytics
[14:10] <bigcalm_lappy> The current person is about 79 and inter-club politics are going silly. Hence my dad setting up the new site
[14:10] <MartijnVdS> \o/ politics
[14:17] <bigcalm_lappy> I need sleep
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm_lappy: so get some!
[14:18] <bigcalm_lappy> I would, but davmor2 threatens to throw things at me
[14:18] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm_lappy: so lock him in a drawer
[14:19] <bigcalm_lappy> COFFEE!
[14:19] <bigcalm_lappy> Oh, maybe a mocha this time
[14:19] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: 2 flaws to your plan,  out of the to of us I'm more likely to hurt him, and I'm 6ft2in that's a big draw
[14:20] <czajkowski> most irritating bug known to man - it just randomly crashes when alt tabbing.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/926379
[14:21] <gord> czajkowski, what we call, a driver bug =\
[14:21] <czajkowski> driver eh
[14:22] <czajkowski> drives a user insane
[14:22] <czajkowski> :)
[14:22] <MartijnVdS> gord: what about the white squared with Chrome notification popups?
[14:22] <gord> MartijnVdS, iruno
[14:23]  * MartijnVdS gets huge white rectangles sometimes
[14:23] <oimon> argh, what was the fix for griub>unknown filesystem when using 12.04?
[14:24] <MartijnVdS> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/940603
[14:26] <popey> oimon: boot from live cd and chroot in and reinstall grub
[14:26] <oimon> ok, the usual way then :D
[14:27] <oimon> wow, in grub mode, this vaio is cooking REALLY hot
[14:31]  * czajkowski pages popey to the bridge :)
[14:31] <popey> hmm?
[14:32] <czajkowski> conference call
[14:35]  * christel tickles ali1234
[14:35] <christel> er oops
[14:35] <christel> i meant to tickle AlanBell
[14:35] <christel> :x
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> poor ali1234
[14:35] <popey> haha
[14:35]  * bigcalm_lappy waits in line for a typo tickling
[14:35]  * popey tickles BigRedS
[14:35]  * AlanBell is duely tickled
[14:35] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: You're ali1234 ?!?!
[14:36]  * bigcalm_lappy grumbles
[14:36] <AlanBell> no, I am sparticus
[14:36] <bigcalm_lappy> No, I'm sparticus
[14:36] <popey> http://www.thatsnerdalicious.com/food-porn/french-fry-coated-hot-dog-on-a-stick-lunch-time/
[14:36] <popey> feeling peckish
[14:37] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.pizza.co.uk/
[14:38] <bigcalm_lappy> dominos.co.uk
[14:38] <gord> when i was a kid and we got chippy, i'd hollow out the middle of the massive saussage and put chips in there, it was glorious
[14:40] <bigcalm_lappy> I miss turkey sticks
[14:40] <AlanBell> twizzlers
[14:40] <bigcalm_lappy> No, not these
[14:41] <davmor2> AlanBell: bigcalm_lappy: sit down I'm sparticus
[14:41] <bigcalm_lappy> Cubes of breast meat and onion alternately on a wooden stick, battered and deep fried
[14:42] <bigcalm_lappy> More of an 80s thing I think
[14:44] <Dave2> deep fried onion?
[14:44] <Dave2> sounds...lovely
[14:44] <oimon> you called?
[14:44] <bigcalm_lappy> I'm full and really don't need this cake
[14:44] <bigcalm_lappy> Tasty is my downfall
[14:45] <bigcalm_lappy> Did the same last night with steak & onion rings, followed by apple crumble
[14:45] <davmor2> bigcalm_lappy: <to quote weird Al> "Eat it, just eat it eat it ha"
[14:46] <Dave2> deep fried oimon.
[14:46] <Dave2> on a stick.
[14:46] <christel> AlanBell: did we settle on a lunch venue for tomorrow? :)
[14:47] <oimon> i hate the ubiquity bug where the details terminal window is too small and you can't see why the installation has stalled
[14:48] <christel> deep fried onion..
[14:48] <christel> surely that works? arent onion rings deep fried?
[14:48] <bigcalm_lappy> Yes
[14:48] <Dave2> Yes, but they're rings
[14:48] <Dave2> not cubes
[14:48] <christel> haha
[14:48] <Dave2> A lot more batter/less onion
[14:48] <Dave2> Unless they're tiny cubes
[14:49] <christel> *nod*
[14:51]  * bigcalm_lappy looks at the cake infront of him
[14:51] <bigcalm_lappy> Ug
[14:52] <christel> the cake makes you ug?!
[14:52] <MartijnVdS> Ugg cake
[14:54] <bigcalm_lappy> christel: I was already full of tasty burger before I started on the cake
[14:54] <bigcalm_lappy> MartijnVdS: anything like Ugg Boots?
[14:54] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm_lappy: probably
[14:54]  * bigcalm_lappy nods
[14:56] <christel> ah i had biscuits for lunch
[14:56] <christel> i was going to have pasta
[14:56] <christel> only by the time i remembered that i was cooking pasta it had been boiling away for 40 minutes
[14:56] <christel> (duh)
[14:57] <MartijnVdS> VERY soft pasta :)
[15:00] <bigcalm_lappy> Whoops
[15:00]  * AlanBell checks the weather forecast for tomorrow
[15:00] <AlanBell> looks nice and sunny
[15:00] <davmor2> AlanBell: I can tell you now there will be weather
[15:01] <AlanBell> looks like a nice day for sitting outside
[15:02] <popey> ☹
[15:02]  * popey will be sitting inside a crematorium ☹
[15:02] <bigcalm_lappy> :(
[15:07] <BigRedS> fI used to have a Firefox plugin that'd tell me which bits of a page took how long to download and render. Anyone know what it was? I Can't find it in the Add-ons search thing...
[15:08] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: firebug
[15:08] <bigcalm_lappy> BigRedS: fire bug
[15:08] <bigcalm_lappy> Then look in the Net tab
[15:08] <MartijnVdS> and Yahoo made a plugin for that.. uhr.. yslow
[15:08] <MartijnVdS> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/yslow/
[15:09] <bigcalm_lappy> Is pagespeed another one?
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> could be
[15:09] <bigcalm_lappy> Or is that just a google made apache mod?
[15:09] <MartijnVdS> sounds like it anyway :)
[15:10] <christel> AlanBell: yeah it is supposed to be lovely!
[15:10] <christel> popey: that does not sound like the best place to spend the day :/
[15:10] <popey> indeed
[15:10] <popey> my best friends' mum ☹
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> :(
[15:12] <BigRedS> Oh! I didn't realise Firebug did that
[15:12] <BigRedS> pagespeed is an Apache mod
[15:12] <bigcalm_lappy> That's what I thought
[15:13] <bigcalm_lappy> One that looked good for a while but ended up caining my server and breaking my websites
[15:13] <BigRedS> yeah
[15:14] <christel> popey: i am sorry to hear that
[15:16] <brobostigon> is it possible, to link the calendar dropdown, in unity's data time applet, to google calendar?
[15:19] <popey> yes
[15:19] <brobostigon> how?
[15:20] <popey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GoogleCalendarWithEvolution
[15:21] <brobostigon> thank you popey, but last time i tried, evolution didnt scale on my eeepc's screen, and was unable to set it up.
[15:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Ask chrisccoulson to do the same with Lightning will you? ;-)
[15:21] <popey> brobostigon: you only need evolution to setup the connection
[15:21] <popey> you could plug in an external display temporarily ☺
[15:22] <brobostigon> popey: that would be possible, yes.
[15:25] <gord> there used to be some kind of smaller mode for evolution
[15:25] <gord> evolution express maybe? something like that
[15:25] <brobostigon> i will look,
[15:28] <bittin> Hello, somone else have more problems with fan noise in the Pangolin beta?
[15:32] <czajkowski> nope
[15:32] <czajkowski> what kinda problems
[15:33] <bittin> czajkowski: fan sound started to get louder but can be my fan in this 2-3year old pc thats started behave wierd
[15:33] <bittin> also alt + tab don't work but that is already reported by people: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/955859
[15:41] <bigcalm_lappy> I've broken davmor2
[15:41] <czajkowski> oh dear
[15:41] <czajkowski> why....
[15:41] <bigcalm_lappy> It's quite amusing
[15:42] <bigcalm_lappy> Looks like he's about to start drooling
[15:42] <bigcalm_lappy> He was trying to remember how old he was in 2001
[15:42] <AlanBell> bittin: is your CPU activity really high for some reason? that might make it run hot which will speed the fan up
[15:43] <bigcalm_lappy> Stack over flow I'm guessing ;)
[15:43] <AlanBell> christel: TheOpenSourcerer: if it is sunny I like the idea of the shepherd & flock
[15:43] <AlanBell> and it looks like it will be nice
[15:43] <bittin> AlanBell: no my load is 0.5
[15:43] <bittin> and htop says 8 and 6 %
[15:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: christel - Yeah - we can breath in the fumes from the traffic on the roundabout ;-)
[15:47]  * bigcalm_lappy pokes Rackspace support with a stick
[15:47] <bittin> root@ubuntu:/home/bittin# fancontrol
[15:47] <bittin> Loading configuration from /etc/fancontrol ...
[15:47] <bittin> Error: Can't read configuration file
[15:47] <bittin> wonder if that has anything to do with it or if iam thinking wrong
[15:48] <christel> AlanBell: sounds good to me, will it be dreadfully noisy? :)
[15:50] <bittin> fan1:        1255 RPM
[15:50] <bittin> fan2:        1010 RPM
[15:50] <bittin> Core 0:       +43.0°C  (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
[15:50] <bittin> Core 1:       +40.0°C  (high = +86.0°C, crit = +100.0°C)
[16:03] <bittin> Ubuntu 12.04 beta 1 works better then i tough it would on this box :p
[16:05] <bigcalm_lappy> Was that an /amsg ?
[16:26] <AlanBell> christel: the beer garden behind the pub is not at all noisy
[16:27] <christel> ooh there's one tucked away behind as well, i assumed it was just the seats you can see when you drive past!
[16:28] <AlanBell> yup, there are seats front and back
[16:28] <oimon> gnome-panel on 12.04 is almost awesome :D
[17:31]  * AlanBell installs Oracle 11g :(
[17:32]  * MartijnVdS cries for AlanBell
[18:47] <jacobw> evening
[18:48] <ali1234> what's a virtual dedicated server?
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: it's virtually dedicated
[18:49] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/zqb84.jpg
[18:49] <daftykins> aww yeah learning to snowboard <3
[18:49] <daftykins> :D
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: that looks like an unhealthy relationship
[18:51] <daftykins> the board, it beats me
[18:51] <daftykins> D:
[18:54] <jacobw> ali1234: perhaps it means not-a-container
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> http://i.imgur.com/gvGKk.jpg
[18:58] <ali1234> wat
[19:00] <daftykins> O_O
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> No?
[19:08] <daftykins> may go to my local tonight to watch over the students playing the quiz
[19:08] <daftykins> maybe this time i'll shut up and not make a team win by giving two answers right at the end
[19:08] <daftykins> they grabbed their winnings said bye to me and left! :O
[19:08] <jacobw> :o
[19:08] <jacobw> students..
[19:09] <daftykins> indeed
[19:09] <daftykins> though, i was one just 4 years ago
[19:09] <daftykins> so i'm currently the "why is he so young" shifty regular sat at the bar talking to strangers
[19:09] <daftykins> :>
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> "Get of my lawn!"
[19:10] <daftykins> well technically i'm the outsider here in England
[19:10] <daftykins> :D
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: isn't England your lawn? :)
[19:10] <daftykins> only forced to be here to fix up and sell my house ¬_¬
[19:10] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: no sir
[19:10] <daftykins> i'm a Guernsey man
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> not-quite-Frenchman ;)
[19:12] <daftykins> precisely!
[19:12] <daftykins> French-mutation as my dear Irish friend puts it
[19:48]  * dwatkins is a foreignner everywhere
[19:49] <daftykins> dwatkins: how's that?
[19:50] <daftykins> nm must go - pub quiz o'clock!
[19:51] <dwatkins> ciao daftykins
[19:51] <dwatkins> (born in Switzerland, grew up in England, living in Scotland)
[19:51] <daftykins> ah-har! :)
[19:54]  * AlanBell boots Oracle Enterprise Linux
[19:58] <popey> unlucky
[19:58]  * MartijnVdS hands AlanBell something to collect his tears in
[19:58] <MartijnVdS> or with
[19:59] <AlanBell> the buttons are on the wrong side!
[19:59] <hamitron> they are right?
[20:11] <TonyNorfolk> hello
[20:12] <AlanBell> !ping
[20:12] <AlanBell> BT Wholesale has hijacked my browser connection
[20:13] <popey> hello TonyNorfolk
[20:13] <dwatkins> Taking Red Hats trademarks off Red Hat to make Oracle Linux seems a little cheeky.
[20:13] <dwatkins> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=oracle says they do this anyway
[20:13] <TonyNorfolk> Hello, does anyone have any idea why GParted Editor wont load?
[20:13] <ali1234> is it possible to share links to u1 music store?
[20:13] <popey> dwatkins: centos do it
[20:13] <popey> ali1234: it used to be, yes
[20:13] <ali1234> used to be?
[20:13] <ali1234> why isn't it any more?
[20:13] <popey> dunno if it still is
[20:13] <dwatkins> popey: oh I thought Centos was kinda like opensuse to suse/sles, the test version
[20:13] <AlanBell> http://<IP_ADDRESS>/index.html the whole web redirects there on port 80 right now
[20:13] <ali1234> oh, ok
[20:13] <popey> dwatkins: no, centos is just like oracle
[20:13] <ali1234> well, how do i do it?
[20:14] <dwatkins> I see, popey :)
[20:14] <dwatkins> TonyNorfolk: do you get an error from it?
[20:14] <popey> and scientific linux
[20:15] <TonyNorfolk> dwatkins: I am a new Ubuntu user - 1 week! and loving it.  I click on the GParted Icon and it comes up with the authenticate message, I put my password in and then nothing happens.
[20:16] <dwatkins> TonyNorfolk: cool, welcome :) are you running off a USB stick/CD image, or have you installed to your hard drive?
[20:16] <ali1234> dwatkins: sles->opensuse, red hat->fedora
[20:17] <dwatkins> today I learned that centos isn't what I thought it was and that my bicycle light is pretty useless in the dark :)
[20:17] <TonyNorfolk> dwatkins: a complete install on my hard drive.  I am running 11.10
[20:17] <ali1234> see also debian->ubuntu
[20:19] <Azelphur> Fun programming question, in PHP what would be faster, Loading a 64x32 image file locally, cutting a part out and upscaling it to 88x88, or caching the 88x88 image on disk?
[20:19] <ali1234> u1 doesn't have the album i wanted to link anyway :(
[20:19] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: caching, but only do that if performance is actually an issue
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: also: always use a profiler :)
[20:20] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: haha, I'm trying to write things as if performance was an issue :P
[20:20] <ali1234> is this for a website?
[20:20] <Azelphur> yes
[20:20] <ali1234> cache it then
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: caching would also make it cacheable on the remote end
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> (easier)
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> which would be a plus
[20:21] <dwatkins> TonyNorfolk: I'm just installing gparted on my Ubuntu virtual machine, have you tried running it from the terminal?
[20:21] <ali1234> why you even doing this?
[20:21] <ali1234> need more information
[20:21] <popey> found it
[20:21] <popey> https://one.ubuntu.com/music/l/1501818/0
[20:21] <popey> no idea how you get that link though ☺
[20:21] <ali1234> blah
[20:21] <MartijnVdS> This song is not available to buy from the Ubuntu One Music Store in your country. Sorry!
[20:21] <dwatkins> TonyNorfolk: i.e. by typing: gksu gparted
[20:22] <ali1234> so i open the dash, click the musical note thingy, search for album
[20:22] <TonyNorfolk> dwatkins: no i haven't - i'll try that
[20:22] <Azelphur> ali1234: minecraft avatars
[20:22] <ali1234> now i want to send the link to my buddy on facebook
[20:22] <ali1234> wat do?
[20:22] <Azelphur> download skin -> cut the face out -> upscale to a viewable size
[20:22] <TonyNorfolk> dwatkins: thanks :)
[20:22] <ali1234> Azelphur: send whole image to client, have the client do it in javascript
[20:23] <ali1234> i'll post my u1 question on askubuntu actually
[20:23] <TonyNorfolk> dwatkins: this is my error message
[20:23] <Azelphur> ali1234: I tried that but the problem is some browsers like to scale images differently
[20:23] <TonyNorfolk> dwatkins:(gksu:16337): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "pixmap",
[20:23] <Azelphur> ali1234: like chrome blurs the image in a horrible manner
[20:23] <ali1234> chrome sucks
[20:24] <dwatkins> TonyNorfolk: a quick search online suggests you need to install gtk2-engines-pixbuf
[20:24] <dwatkins> I shall return shortly.
[20:24] <TonyNorfolk> dwatkins: ok, ill search with synaptic
[20:28] <ali1234> http://askubuntu.com/questions/115211/how-do-i-share-links-to-album-in-the-u1-music-store
[20:30] <ali1234> btw is anyone esle getting this error
[20:30] <ali1234> Error while getting credentials: The '/org/freedesktop/secrets/collection/login/8' object does not exist
[20:30] <TonyNorfolk> dwatkins: installed that, in terminal the command promt blinks for 2 or 3 seconds before completing - but nothing happens
[20:30] <ali1234> while trying to open music store?
[20:30] <TonyNorfolk> dwatkins: there is no error message now but still no program?
[20:31] <ali1234> TonyNorfolk: what are you trying to run?
[20:31] <TonyNorfolk> dwatkins: when opening in unity the authenticate pops up but nothing starts when i enter my password
[20:31] <TonyNorfolk> ali1234: gparted
[20:31] <ali1234> ok, on terminal:
[20:31] <ali1234> gksudo gparted
[20:32] <AlanBell> anyone know anything about Oracle? Specifically how to import a .dmp file in the enterprise manager web console thing
[20:32] <TonyNorfolk> ali1234: just tried that, thanks but still nothing
[20:32] <ali1234> TonyNorfolk: ok, try this
[20:34] <ali1234> er, how do you get a shell prmpt with gksudo?
[20:35] <TonyNorfolk> ali1234: nothing came up after you typed ok, try this?
[20:35] <ali1234> yeah i didnt type anything yet
[20:36] <TonyNorfolk> ali1234: oh sorry ;-)
[20:36] <ali1234> gksudo strace gparted 2> /tmp/output.txt
[20:36] <ali1234> try that
[20:38] <TonyNorfolk> ali1234: ok but nothing seemed to happen - has that saved a txt file
[20:38] <ali1234> yes
[20:39] <ali1234> what is in the text file?
[20:40] <TonyNorfolk> ok your probably bang your head off a wall - but how do I find that?
[20:41] <ali1234> xdg-open /tmp/output.txt
[20:42] <ali1234> don't paste it here though
[20:42] <ali1234> just tell me if it's empty, or ctains lots of stuff
[20:42] <TonyNorfolk> it is completely blank
[20:43] <ali1234> hmm
[20:43] <TonyNorfolk> ali1234: really appreciate your help here
[20:43] <ali1234> are you sure gparted is installed?
[20:43] <popey> it isnt by default
[20:43] <popey> its on the live cd, but it gets removed I _think_
[20:43] <TonyNorfolk> yep it is in synaptic i check which version
[20:43] <ali1234> yeah i know i just had to install it :)
[20:44] <popey> yeah, my machine doesnt have it
[20:44] <popey> TonyNorfolk: did you "apply" in synaptic?
[20:44] <popey> to install it
[20:44] <TonyNorfolk> 0.8.1-1ubutu4 and it has a green box
[20:45] <bittin> was trying to carry home a Sun Blade 2000 on the subway and failed so hard so i dropped it off in the bushes atleast got a hot usb mouse
[20:45] <TonyNorfolk> popey: yes i have applied - when I select it the apply is now greyed out
[20:45] <ali1234> gksudo appears to be hiding the error message when a program isn't installed
[20:46] <ali1234> argh what package is gksudo in?
[20:47] <TonyNorfolk> is the same thing happening to you ali1234
[20:47] <ali1234> is gksudo even the recommended way to run X11 apps as root?
[20:47] <ali1234> TonyNorfolk: sort of
[20:47] <ali1234> TonyNorfolk: what happens if you just run "gparted" without gksudo?
[20:48] <TonyNorfolk> ali1234: that is comforting as I thought it was my system
[20:48] <ali1234> TonyNorfolk: this stuff used to work until *somebody* decided ubutu was too complicated, and promptly broke it all
[20:49] <TonyNorfolk> ali1234:do you mean type, gksu gparted?
[20:49] <ali1234> no
[20:49] <ali1234> just gparted
[20:49] <TonyNorfolk> Root privileges are required for running gparted.
[20:49] <TonyNorfolk> /usr/sbin/gpartedbin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtkmm-2.4.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[20:50] <ali1234> ah there's your problem
[20:50] <TonyNorfolk> how do I get root privileges?
[20:50] <ali1234> with gksu
[20:50] <ali1234> or gksudo
[20:51] <ali1234> but the library error will still happen, you just wont see it
[20:51] <ali1234> because gksu/gksudo is eating the error message
[20:51] <ali1234> which is a bug
[20:51] <TonyNorfolk> right I'm now with you - you lost me back there
[20:52] <ali1234> do this:
[20:52] <TonyNorfolk> do I need to install the libraries?
[20:52] <ali1234> sudo apt-get install libgtkmm-2.4
[20:53] <popey> interesting, how would that have happened
[20:53] <ali1234> no idea
[20:53] <popey> unless ubuntu-desktop or something is missing
[20:53] <TonyNorfolk> they are loading in now
[20:54] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gksu/+bug/962528
[20:55] <TonyNorfolk> have I done something wrong - I originally installed gparted from the software centre.  it didn't work so I unistalled using synaptic and the reinstalled it again, but it still didn't work.
[20:55] <TonyNorfolk> thanks ali1234 I will go to launchpad and click that it also affects me
[20:55] <ali1234> ah
[20:56] <ali1234> synaptic and software centre seem to be diverging on their dependency algorithms. see previous comment about breaking everything
[20:56] <TonyNorfolk> right that has finished ali1234 - but I don't want to do anything until you say
[20:57] <ali1234> just try to run gparted again without gksu
[20:57] <AlanBell> yay, I think my oracle import is happening \o/
[20:57] <ali1234> if it has another missing library, install it
[20:57] <ali1234> repeat
[20:57] <ali1234> when you get no errors except "you must be root" then run it with gksu or gksudo
[21:00] <popey> what is responsible for drawing context menus?
[21:00] <popey> is it compiz?
[21:00] <TonyNorfolk> Root privileges are required for running gparted.
[21:00] <TonyNorfolk> /usr/sbin/gpartedbin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtkmm-2.4.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[21:01] <TonyNorfolk> ali1234: it couldn't find the library
[21:01] <ali1234> hmmmm
[21:01] <ali1234> what version of ubuntu?
[21:02] <TonyNorfolk> 11.10
[21:02] <ali1234> maybe run ldconfig and try again
[21:02] <ali1234> though that shouldn't be necessary
[21:02] <ali1234> hmm 32 bit or 64 bit install?
[21:04] <TonyNorfolk> 32 bit
[21:05] <AlanBell> oracle 11g really is a huge steaming pile of dogs droppings disguised as a database
[21:06] <TonyNorfolk> still nothing - so frustrating
[21:06] <ali1234> yeah something really is wrong with your system
[21:07] <ali1234> it might even be a different library to the one it claims due to the way linking works
[21:08] <TonyNorfolk> o.k should I just uninstall gparted
[21:08] <ali1234> that would be giving up
[21:08] <popey> ali1234: bug 962545
[21:08] <TonyNorfolk> I don't want to give up
[21:08] <popey> seen that?
[21:09] <popey> AlanBell: very little competition
[21:09] <ali1234> popey: i have not seen that. i haven't updated for a week or so though
[21:10] <AlanBell> I think I would rather just remember all the data than put it in Oracle
[21:10] <TonyNorfolk> is there anything I can run to check my system
[21:10] <ali1234> TonyNorfolk: yes. too many in fact
[21:10] <ali1234> the trick is knowing where to start
[21:11] <TonyNorfolk> I really don't know anything so would need guidance - but I'm worried about taking up so much of your time for something as small as Gparted
[21:13] <dwatkins> ali1234: it appears 'gksu' as replaced 'gksudo'
[21:13] <ali1234> yeah, bug affects both though
[21:14] <ali1234> TonyNorfolk: ok first of all please install a program called pastebinit if you have not already
[21:15] <TonyNorfolk> just done that
[21:16] <ali1234> ok do this: ldd /usr/sbin/gpartedbin | pastebinit
[21:16] <ali1234> then paste here the url it prints out
[21:17] <TonyNorfolk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/895668/
[21:18] <ali1234> so line 3 and 5 indicates two missing libraries
[21:19] <ali1234> open up synaptic and find the first one
[21:19] <TonyNorfolk> yeah I just noticed that but I installed that with you
[21:19] <TonyNorfolk> will
[21:19] <TonyNorfolk> do
[21:19] <ali1234> note that there's two versions
[21:19] <ali1234> 2.4 and 3.something
[21:20] <popey> i would do the magic "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^" :D
[21:20] <dwatkins> TonyNorfolk: by the way, if you know the name of a file you need, you can search for it with 'apt-file' (assuming that's installed) in case it's not clear what package it's a part of - use with caution, though
[21:21] <ali1234> ah i think my system has the same problem
[21:21] <ali1234> or similar
[21:21] <ali1234> i keep seeing this in synaptic
[21:21] <ali1234> where a library is marked as installed
[21:21] <ali1234> but when i click properties and go to "installed files" tab
[21:21] <ali1234> it says "installed files only available for packages that are installed"
[21:21] <ali1234> and the library doesn't work
[21:21] <TonyNorfolk> dwatkins: thanks
[21:22] <ali1234> TonyNorfolk: so what happens when you go do that?
[21:22] <TonyNorfolk> the .so.1 extension - I take it i dont need that
[21:23] <ali1234> make sure that the libgdkmm-2.4 is installed too
[21:23] <ali1234> d not t
[21:24] <TonyNorfolk> nothing comes up for libgdkmm-2.4 in synaptic
[21:25] <TonyNorfolk> for libgtdkmm there are four of them and they show as installed
[21:25] <ali1234> in synaptic right click on the package and select properties
[21:25] <ali1234> then go to installed files
[21:27] <TonyNorfolk> I have done that
[21:27] <ali1234> one of the files should say libgtkmm-2.4.so.1
[21:27] <ali1234> where is it?
[21:28] <TonyNorfolk> I am looking in libgtkmm-2.4-dev and cant find .so.1 - there is a .so thoght
[21:29] <ali1234> where is that?
[21:29] <ali1234> wait not dev
[21:29] <ali1234> the other one
[21:29] <TonyNorfolk> the 2.4c2a
[21:29] <ali1234> yeah
[21:29] <TonyNorfolk> the 2.4-1c2a
[21:29] <TonyNorfolk> yeah ok got it
[21:30] <ali1234> so what is the full path?
[21:30] <TonyNorfolk> /usr/lib/libgdkmm-2.4.so.1
[21:30] <dwatkins> TonyNorfolk: how was your Ubuntu system installed? You appear to be missing some packages, and I'm wondering why.
[21:30] <TonyNorfolk> /usr/lib/libgtkmm-2.4.so.1
[21:30] <ali1234> dwatkins: the packages are not missing, they are clearly installed as this indicates :)
[21:30] <TonyNorfolk> from a cd, but I had a nightmare with GRUB and partitioning my driv
[21:31] <ali1234> ok so in terminal run file /usr/lib/libgtkmm-2.4.so.1
[21:33] <TonyNorfolk> am i meant to put another command before file?
[21:33] <MartijnVdS> no, "file" is the command you're running
[21:33] <ali1234> no put exactly what i said
[21:33] <TonyNorfolk> tony@AW2012:~$ file /usr/lib/libgtkmm-2.4.so.1
[21:33] <TonyNorfolk> /usr/lib/libgtkmm-2.4.so.1: ERROR: cannot open `/usr/lib/libgtkmm-2.4.so.1' (No such file or directory)
[21:33] <TonyNorfolk> tony@AW2012:~$
[21:34] <ali1234> so the package is installed but the files are missing
[21:34] <TonyNorfolk> how can that be
[21:34] <ali1234> no idea but here we are
[21:34] <TonyNorfolk> do I reinstall these from somewhere
[21:35] <TonyNorfolk> in synaptic? or would that not replace the files
[21:36] <ali1234> synaptic won't
[21:36] <ali1234> sudo apt-get --reinstall install libgtkmm-2.4
[21:36] <TonyNorfolk> mmm knew it couldn't be simple lol
[21:38] <TonyNorfolk> thats done ali
[21:40] <TonyNorfolk> ali1234:
[21:40] <ali1234> did it work?
[21:40] <TonyNorfolk> ali1234:tony@AW2012:~$ file /usr/lib/libgtkmm-2.4.so.1
[21:40] <TonyNorfolk> /usr/lib/libgtkmm-2.4.so.1: symbolic link to `libgtkmm-2.4.so.1.1.0'
[21:40] <ali1234> so try running it again
[21:40] <TonyNorfolk> is that right
[21:40] <ali1234> yeah looks right
[21:40] <TonyNorfolk> with gksu
[21:40] <dwatkins> TonyNorfolk: which exact package did you install, as I have four which have libgtkmm-2.4 in the tite
[21:41] <ali1234> dwatkins: the package must have been installed for the file path to appear in synaptic
[21:41] <dwatkins> you could check this with: dpkg -l | grep libgtkmm-2.4
[21:41] <dwatkins> ali1234: oh right, sorry, of course
[21:42] <TonyNorfolk> dwatkins: it was the one with -1c2a
[21:42] <dwatkins> TonyNorfolk: ok cool, that's the same one I have installed
[21:43] <TonyNorfolk> BRILLIANT ALI1234 IT IS WORKING
[21:43] <TonyNorfolk> THANK YOU EVER SO MUCH
[21:43] <TonyNorfolk> YOU HAVE SHOWN ME SOME USEFUL TOOLS TOO
[21:43] <TonyNorfolk> THANKS DWATKINS ALSO
[21:43]  * dwatkins hands TonyNorfolk a pint of ribena and a new caps lock key ;)
[21:44] <ali1234> you should watch out for files going missing
[21:44] <ali1234> it isn't normal
[21:44] <ali1234> may indicate filesystem troubles ahead
[21:44] <ali1234> or maybe an update just messed everything up
[21:44] <dwatkins> or disk failure, although that should be written in a great big message somewhere
[21:44] <ali1234> check dmesg
[21:46] <TonyNorfolk> ok - thanks ali - I really need to learn the terminal
[21:47] <TonyNorfolk> Dwatkins: Ali1234: when I installed Ubuntu I had trouble with my partitions and it failed to install twice.
[21:47] <TonyNorfolk> I had to resize my partitions in Windows (ahhh) and then try again
[21:48] <TonyNorfolk> maybe that corrupted something
[21:48] <dwatkins> hmmm, that shouldn't lead to random files missing, TonyNorfolk, but perhaps it's related
[21:48] <dwatkins> as ali1234 suggests, run 'dmesg' in a terminal to see if there are errors reported in the messages since last boot
[21:49] <TonyNorfolk> oops
[21:49] <TonyNorfolk> I just checked terminal and although gparted has loaded it says this
[21:49] <TonyNorfolk> tony@AW2012:~$ gksu gparted
[21:49] <TonyNorfolk> [21:49] <TonyNorfolk> libparted : 2.3
[21:49] <TonyNorfolk> [21:49] <TonyNorfolk> parted was unable to re-read the partition table on /dev/mapper/isw_hbafcagfj_ARRAY (Device or resource busy).  This means Linux won't know anything about the modifications you made.
[21:49] <TonyNorfolk> Cannot have a partition outside the disk!
[21:49] <TonyNorfolk> /dev/sdb: unrecognised disk label
[21:50] <TonyNorfolk> what do I do
[21:50] <dwatkins> probably best to use pastebin for that, TonyNorfolk
[21:50] <dwatkins> anything over a single line is best not pasted straight into the IRC channel
[21:50] <TonyNorfolk> oh, ok sorry
[21:50] <ali1234> sounds like your partitioning is a bit messed up
[21:54] <TonyNorfolk> Yes, on Gpated it is show errors on two arrays
[21:55] <dwatkins> did you get it to repartition automatically when you installed this time around, TonyNorfolk?
[21:56] <TonyNorfolk> no - it never gave me that option.
[21:56] <dwatkins> hmmm, it should have let you choose where to install
[21:57] <TonyNorfolk> yes I selected the new partition I created with partition manager in windows, but I still had to manually install it there.  Allocate a swap space etc... which to be honest I didn't really know what I was doing
[21:58] <TonyNorfolk> dwatkins: are you good with partitions?
[21:59] <TonyNorfolk> I was going to take a screenshot of what I have
[21:59] <dwatkins> TonyNorfolk: I wouldn't say they're my bestest friends, but I know them reasonably well
[21:59] <TonyNorfolk> can I sent a screenshot
[21:59] <TonyNorfolk> send
[22:00] <dwatkins> you shouldn't need to use windows to partition for an Ubuntu installation
[22:00] <dwatkins> it might be easier to re-do it from scratch, i.e. let it wipe the disk and put a standard partition layout on
[22:00] <TonyNorfolk> I am now in Gparted
[22:01] <dwatkins> you won't be able to change anything if you're booted from the disk itself, you'd need to completely wipe and reinstall to change/correct the partition layout
[22:01] <TonyNorfolk> ok
[22:01] <dwatkins> http://www.futuredesktop.org/oneiric/images/picture-3c.png - this is what you should see during install after bootingt from a USB stick and starting the installer
[22:01] <dwatkins> http://www.futuredesktop.org/ might be worth a read, seems to be a fairly good tutorial on the process
[22:02] <dwatkins> do you want any other operating system on the same disk, for dual-booting etc., TonyNorfolk?
[22:03] <TonyNorfolk> yes that why I never selected that option.
[22:03] <TonyNorfolk> I have to leave windows on here for my kids
[22:03] <dwatkins> ok, so you have Windows on the other half of the disk?
[22:03] <TonyNorfolk> yes
[22:03] <TonyNorfolk> but for me Ubuntu is going to be my primary system
[22:04] <dwatkins> yeah, I used to have a similar setup
[22:04] <ali1234> i highly recommend moving windows to a virtual machine inside linux
[22:04] <ali1234> it is much better than dual booting
[22:04] <ali1234> for several reasons
[22:04] <ali1234> not least that you can run them at the same time
[22:04] <dwatkins> I respectfully disagree, ali1234, if it's for gaming running Windows natively will be much faster
[22:05] <ali1234> if you are gaming use wine
[22:05] <ali1234> for everything else use virtualbox
[22:06] <dwatkins> if it's just for Windows applications, like MS Office, yeah
[22:06] <ali1234> or adobe stuff
[22:06] <dwatkins> I've not had much success with Wine, I guess.
[22:06] <ali1234> wine is only really usable for games
[22:06] <dwatkins> heh, I run all that on my work laptop ;)
[22:06] <dwatkins> last time I checked the Wine HQ database for a game, it told me that Sim City 2000 has a bug in saving the city where it crashes
[22:07] <ali1234> the dos version works well in dosbox
[22:07] <ali1234> that's a windows 3.1 game anyway
[22:07] <dwatkins> yeah, fair enough
[22:07] <dwatkins> I think it ran ok on Windows 95, but I see your point
[22:08] <ali1234> you might not get that one exact game you wat
[22:08] <ali1234> but there certainly a LOT of games that work in wine
[22:08] <ali1234> anything popular for example
[22:08] <ali1234> WoW, anything based on source...
[22:08] <dwatkins> neat
[22:08] <ali1234> valve source
[22:08] <ali1234> not open source
[22:08] <dwatkins> I wonder if Homeworld 2 will run on my Mac...
[22:09] <TonyNorfolk> you both have so much experience in linux - makes me envious
[22:09] <dwatkins> yeah, I guessed you meant that
[22:09] <ali1234> that's pretty much 99% of gamers
[22:09] <dwatkins> TonyNorfolk: just takes time, is all
[22:09] <ali1234> honestly i think you'd struggle to run sc2000 on windows 7 or w/e
[22:09] <dwatkins> ali1234: L4D2 is probably the same engine too
[22:09] <ali1234> yes it is
[22:09] <ali1234> dunno if it works... azelphur would know he's the source expert :)
[22:10] <dwatkins> I'd run Sim City in Boxer/DOSbox but the resolution is awful ;)
[22:10] <ali1234> tf2 certainly works
[22:10] <Azelphur> source questions o.O
[22:10] <ali1234> and so does portal
[22:10] <Azelphur> what are we asking?
[22:10] <ali1234> just saying, all the most popular games work in wine
[22:10] <dwatkins> will L4D2 run in Ubuntu in Wine and on OS X in Wine?
[22:11] <Azelphur> Yes but it has performance issues
[22:11] <dwatkins> ok cool
[22:11] <ali1234> steam officially supports OS X for some games now, check
[22:11] <dwatkins> actually, there's an OS X port of it, so that's less of an issue ;)
[22:11] <Azelphur> If you have a pretty beefy machine it'll run ok on minimum settings
[22:11] <dwatkins> hehe
[22:11] <ali1234> (it uses cider, which is based on wine)
[22:12] <dwatkins> so, in summary: Wine is better than it used to be when I last tried using it :)
[22:13] <Azelphur> yep
[22:13] <Azelphur> wine is always rapid improvement
[22:13] <popey> steam on osx uses cider!?
[22:13] <popey> I thought it was native
[22:14] <dwatkins> heh, good job I didn't uninstall macports...
[22:14] <Azelphur> yea I thought it was native too
[22:14] <Azelphur> perhaps that's why we arn't getting a -opengl switch :(
[22:14] <dwatkins> TonyNorfolk: I was going to say: there are lots of tutorials on how to setup dual-booted systems, should be fairly straightforward given you have Windows on there already
[22:15] <ali1234> if you like sim city you'll love dwarf fortress, which has a native linux version
[22:15] <dwatkins> ooh
[22:16] <ali1234> get the graphics pack though or you'll go ascii-blind
[22:16] <dwatkins> oh my, yes - see what you mean
[22:17] <TonyNorfolk> dwatkins: yeah I looked into it a lot when I installed Ubuntu - but my partitions were so messed up and I wasn't sure about which array was which etc. when I went to the install screen.  I think I will take your advice - I'm just backing up all my personal files at the moment
[22:17] <dwatkins> TonyNorfolk: yeah, having at least two backups is always a good plan :)
[22:20] <ali1234> popey: i don't know if it's for all games but certainly for some
[22:22] <ali1234> or maybe i imagined it
[22:24]  * AlanBell has data in oracle \o/
[22:24] <AlanBell> all I need to do now is get it out again
[22:24] <ali1234> hmm skyrim is rated gold on winehq
[22:24] <ali1234> i bet it's not really gold
[22:52] <TonyNorfolk> bye all
[22:52] <TonyNorfolk> ali1234:thanks again
[22:52] <TonyNorfolk> dwatkins:thanks again
[23:14] <Laney> gah
[23:14] <Laney> how do people use the www without adblock?
[23:14] <Laney> first link goes to a page with an advert that automatically starts playing sound


[01:23] <coz_> hey all
[01:34] <troy_s> Greetz coz_
[01:34] <coz_> troy_s,   hey guy  :)
[01:47]  * darkmatter gently pats coz
[01:47] <darkmatter> *_ hello
[01:48] <darkmatter> after which I shoot pidgin for not respecting my keybindings
[01:52] <coz_> :)
[01:52] <coz_> darkmatter,  hey guy
[01:52] <darkmatter> o/
[02:22] <brandonb> Hello everyone!
[02:24] <coz_> hey guy
[02:24] <brandonb> Hi I'm new to linux but have a lot of experience with graphic design, html, css, and php. I would love to help!
[02:27] <coz_> brandonb,  cool... you may want to speak to kwwii   or troy_s   or any of the guys that have  more connections with the actual cannonical design team...  there have been requests for wallpapers  ... not sure what else is being requested or needed for the new version coming out in april
[02:27] <troy_s> Uh not me.
[02:27] <troy_s> At all.
[02:27] <coz_> :)
[02:27] <coz_> brandonb,  for get  troy_s   :)
[02:27] <troy_s> brandonb: Links to your work?>
[02:27] <brandonb> haha okay ;)
[02:28] <coz_> brandonb,   try  kwwii     thorwill I believe his nick is
[02:28] <coz_> rather those two
[02:28] <coz_> brandonb,   yes do you have  any graphics  that can be seen right now?
[02:28] <brandonb> Haha this looks bad. My site is down for maintenance. It's at www.brandonberinger.com. I'm updating php.
[02:28] <coz_> ah ok
[02:29] <brandonb> Give me a moment and let me post some onto tinypic.
[02:29] <coz_> cool
[02:29] <troy_s> brandonb: Don't worry... the culture is pretty immature and in fact people asking to see things is about priority 11 on a ten point scale.
[02:29] <coz_> :)
[02:29] <troy_s> There is the distinct sound of crickets chirping when work is presented. Blinking eyes. Tumbleweeds.
[02:29] <coz_> lol
[02:30] <brandonb> lol.
[02:31] <troy_s> Followed by the inevitable "Well I just crawled out of a cave of hacking code but I have a pretty good bunch of thoughts on how art and design works..."
[02:32] <brandonb> lol. I'm installing wine so that my wd portable hd will work.
[02:32] <coz_> there needs to be a program for teaching artist to code... most problems might be solved that way
[02:32] <troy_s> brandonb: that isn't good. What filesystem is on it?
[02:33] <troy_s> coz_: Not really. I have a huge respect for coders and talented code artists.
[02:33] <brandonb> its for mac os. It's locked by there wd smartware app.
[02:33] <coz_> troy_s,  I do as well... however ..there are those that think art is "the fun part"
[02:33] <troy_s> coz_: But there is a very odd thing... everyone touches art and design every day in the same way they touch software. But engaging software is one of those "right or wrong" areas and I think it is more apparent as to one's ability and value of comment.
[02:34] <coz_> mm let me contemplate that for a bit
[02:35] <coz_> where is darkmatter when I need him :)
[02:37] <brandonb> ahhhh i'm such a noob.
[02:37] <brandonb> i cant even install an app with wine
[02:38] <troy_s> brandonb: Format the damn drive down to a vanilla file system and get rid of that rubbish.
[02:38] <troy_s> (Once you get it off of there)
[02:39] <brandonb> haha yeah I plan on it once i figure out how to get me files off.
[02:40] <brandonb> here let me search my facebook
[02:43] <troy_s> coz_: Do you know of this person? http://dreamsongs.com/MFASoftware.html
[02:43] <coz_> looking
[02:43] <brandonb> file:///media/SimpleDrive/NEW%20DOCUMENTS/Design/poster-01.jpg
[02:44] <brandonb> can anyone see this
[02:44] <coz_> no cant open the link
[02:44] <brandonb> okay one moment
[02:44] <troy_s> brandonb: That's a local link friend.
[02:44] <troy_s> file:/// is a local path.
[02:46] <brandonb> i understand
[02:46] <brandonb> http://tinypic.com/m/dysyue/1
[02:46] <brandonb> it's huge
[02:47] <coz_> troy_s,  that article sounds more than reasonable
[02:47] <troy_s> coz_: Fascinating character he is.
[02:47] <troy_s> coz_: If you find it at all interesting, look at his other stuff. He is a PhD comp sci followed up with a MFa in poetry (of all things)
[02:48] <coz_> troy_s,  mm interesting for sure... I will  look  him up... sounds quite similar to some of the developers i have spoken with at carnegie melon
[02:49] <brandonb> http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=2y51IoYqNBPW3qaj6a4iMoh4l5k2TGxc
[02:50] <troy_s> brandonb: Did you end up completing your degree?
[02:50] <coz_> brandonb,  nice :)
[02:51] <brandonb> I'm still in high school.
[02:51] <troy_s> brandonb: LOL.
[02:51] <coz_> brandonb,  ah  cool
[02:51] <troy_s> brandonb: Sorry... never can tell.
[02:51] <coz_> :)
[02:51] <brandonb> thats more of my print work. I got some web work coming up in a moment.
[02:51] <brandonb> don't be sorry haha.
[02:52] <coz_> brandonb,  which media ...
[02:52] <coz_> I assume silkscreen
[02:52] <brandonb> Yeah silk screening I do a lot of mixed media work as well if you're interested with multi layer stenciling and collaging.
[02:53] <coz_> brandonb,  very much... they can produce stunning results
[02:53] <troy_s> brandonb: Do you have any goals for post high school?
[02:54] <brandonb> I'm riding my bicycle to San Fransisco in June in benefit of Charity Water from Philadelphia where I'm currently located. Staying out there and possibly attending school or interning for green peace. Do as much traveling as people. Ride some freight trains lol.
[02:54] <coz_> brandonb,   :)
[02:55] <coz_> brandonb,  a philly boy
[02:55] <brandonb> :)
[02:55] <coz_> brandonb,  I am in pittsburgh
[02:55] <brandonb> It's a great city. A good friend of mine lives in Pittsburgh an attends college.
[02:55] <brandonb> http://tinypic.com/m/dysz10/1
[02:56] <brandonb> http://tinypic.com/m/dysz11/1
[02:56] <brandonb> http://tinypic.com/m/dysz12/1
[02:57] <brandonb> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1698704556274&set=a.1554848559964.72310.1497693703
[02:57] <troy_s> brandonb: Do you have a fave artist or photographer or ?
[02:57] <coz_> ah I forgot my facebook login info
[02:57] <brandonb> haha I'll upload to tinypic
[02:57] <troy_s> coz_: I didn't. Oddly, mine is <none> at <nothing>
[02:57] <coz_> :)
[02:59] <brandonb> http://tinypic.com/yourhome.php
[02:59] <brandonb> haha wrong link
[02:59] <brandonb> http://tinypic.com/m/dysz6o/1
[02:59] <brandonb> :)
[02:59] <troy_s> brandonb: Acrylic hand painted?
[02:59] <troy_s> brandonb: Or stencil?
[03:00] <troy_s> Hrm... slight fuzz in black
[03:00] <troy_s> spray bomb?
[03:00] <troy_s> I'll take spray bomb.
[03:01] <brandonb> stencil.  Look around for a school that matches your thinking. There's a wide range of thought out there from avant-garde to mainstream.
[03:06] <brandonb> coz: indeed. i plan on being in school in 2011. i really need to get a change of scenery first and help others.
[03:07] <coz_> brandonb,  understood
[03:07] <troy_s> brandonb: Then do both.
[03:07] <troy_s> brandonb: Nothing wrong with relocating and going to school. Just don't ditch out.
[03:07] <brandonb> troy s: I found the perfect school for me it's very small and is located in san francisco. I've applyed and had my portfolio reviewed. I will most likely attend their in the spring possibly this fall.
[03:08] <troy_s> brandonb: Say BFa.
[03:08] <troy_s> brandonb: Not a tech school right
[03:08] <troy_s> ?
[03:09] <brandonb> Bachelor of Fine Arts indeed. A very artsy school. One of the oldest in the country. San Fransisco Art Institute. It's not affiliated with ai at all. lol. dont worry.
[03:09] <troy_s> brandonb: Wonderful. Good on you. Wise choice. Avant garde methinks.
[03:09] <coz_> brandonb,  and you have reviewed the out put of the students from that school?
[03:11] <brandonb> coz: yes, the perfect environment. I need the fundamentals and basic principals of art. I've never taken an art class in my life. most of the students at sfai are extremely talented.
[03:11] <troy_s> brandonb: Well... these parts need new blood. And blood that lives for creative stuffs. Hopefully you can find the will to stick at it.
[03:12] <troy_s> brandonb: There is much to be gleaned from history. _Much_.
[03:12] <troy_s> brandonb: Does it have a strong theory / history aspect?
[03:12] <coz_> brandonb,  ok.. well from what I have seen ,,, you already  have a keen sense of composition  so more than luck to you... go into the world my friend and experience
[03:13] <brandonb> troy s: yes. I would love to be a part of this from what I've seen wonderful and welcoming community.
[03:13] <troy_s> brandonb: It's pretty uh... expansive.
[03:13] <brandonb> coz: thanks you kind sir. I look forward to it
[03:13] <troy_s> brandonb: It's a pretty diverse landscape.
[03:14] <brandonb> troy s:i see
[03:14] <troy_s> brandonb: With one consistent tone - a distinct hole in creative culture.
[03:14] <coz_> :)
[03:17] <coz_> brandonb,   invite me to your first one man show  :)
[03:18] <brandonb> will do. that's a dream. i would love to do that and sell all the work for charity water. I've thought about but my body of work is not large enough. on day..... stay in touch!
[03:18] <brandonb> invite me to see some of your work!
[03:18] <troy_s> brandonb: Get to school. It's where it all starts.
[03:18] <coz_> yep ^^
[03:19] <brandonb> will do!
[12:32] <thorwil> iainfarrell: hi! what does the release team say about 3 alternative non-photo wallpapers on the cd?
[12:32] <iainfarrell> thorwil: nothing as yet
[12:33] <iainfarrell> I imagine I'll be given the same amount of space
[12:33] <iainfarrell> there's a good chance taht they'll be smaller than photos
[12:33] <iainfarrell> but I think we'll be ok
[12:34] <thorwil> ok. i'm asking as doctormo brought that up on the list and he has a point
[12:35] <iainfarrell> thorwil: I'm sure it won't be a problem but I can check it out - just catching up on his mail
[12:35] <iainfarrell> as I've not looked at the list today
[12:38] <evilvish> iainfarrell, thorwil: it would just be along with the alternative wallpapers. doctormo's Q actually dint make sense to me though..
[12:39] <iainfarrell> evilvish: he might be concerned that they'll turn around and say "three more wallpapers?! NO!"
[12:39] <iainfarrell> what we're actually saying is
[12:39] <iainfarrell> 3 slots in however many we get in
[12:39] <evilvish> yea.
[12:39] <iainfarrell> are guaranteed non photo
[12:39] <evilvish> i think he got confused thinking that it would be an extra package..
[12:41] <thorwil> ah right, the 3 slots from the extra wallapapers that happen anyway got lost
[12:41] <darkmatter> evilvish is an extra package. purge him!
[12:41] <evilvish> ;)
[12:42] <thorwil> why do we end up playing chinese whispers so often, and why don't i pay more attention to the sources?
[12:45] <iainfarrell> lunch time over here so I'll catch you chaps in a little while


[00:05] <TimRe> can anybody tell me why chroot vsftpd is not working when I login as an testuser because I have the jailed list setup but testuser can still see top level folders but its not locking to testusers home directory
[00:09] <sarnold> TimRe: are you missing these updates? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vsftpd/+bug/1160372
[00:09] <TimRe> that link doesnt work sarnold
[00:10] <sarnold> TimRe: hrm, uvirtbot loaded it alright... try just looking up the bug number 1160372
[00:12] <TimRe> so its an bug then
[00:15] <sarnold> TimRe: well, there was a bug in vsftpd that has had fixes released, I'm curious if the symptoms look like yours or if you've got a different one..
[00:20] <TimRe> well I did the patch one what was listed here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vsftpd/+bug/1160372 but now I cant even connect to it now either by port 21/22
[03:08] <adam_g_> zul, jamespage more! http://people.canonical.com/~agandelman/ca/folsom/swift_1.7.4-0ubuntu2.2~cloud0/
[03:09] <zul> adam_g_:  +1
[04:04] <joshmarshall> Hey all -- trying to start up 12.04 on EC2 + default VPC and I feel like I'm missing the "set up DNS, /tmp, mirrors, etc" script or something. Can anyone answer a few newb questions?
[04:05] <Skaag> does the stock syslog that comes with ubuntu server support forwarding logs to a remote host over udp:514?
[04:15] <qman__> Skaag, ubuntu uses rsyslog by default
[04:42] <Skaag> I managed to get it to work
[04:42] <Skaag> thanks
[04:53] <adam_g_> zul, this one too http://people.canonical.com/~agandelman/ca/grizzly/swift_1.8.0-0ubuntu1.2~cloud0/
[08:16] <jamespage> adam_g_, zul: swift uploaded to grizzly staging
[08:16] <jamespage> adam_g_, also flushed through the 2013.1.2 updates to proposed
[13:28] <zul> jamespage/yolanda: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/python-keystoneclient/ftbfs-new-deps/+merge/170614
[13:31] <smoser> utlemming, ping.
[13:31] <smoser> wondering if it would be useful for us to consider changing our ebsroot and instance store images on EC2 to be a partitioned disk and use the other pvgrub loader
[13:34] <smoser> ie, using krn/pv-grub-hd00_1.03-x86_64.gz rather than krn/pv-grub-hd0_1.03-x86_64.gz
[13:35] <smoser> the reason for this would be that then a.) grub might compleain less as there is a MBR to install to (although it still would'nt be read) and b.)if that worked, users could more easily take the disk image out of EC2 and boot it on kvm
[13:37] <smoser> there would likely be some changes necessary to do this even in cloud-init's grub config module
[13:37] <jamespage> zul, nearly done with the havana ca updates
[13:37] <jamespage> all aside from quantum uploaded
[13:37] <SuperLag> How do you remap CapsLock to Ctrl? I know how to do this on Ubuntu versions with a GUI, but no the server.
[13:37] <zul> jamespage:  sweet thanks
[13:58] <jamespage> zul: http://people.canonical.com/~jamespage/ca/folsom/
[13:58] <jamespage> can I get an ack on the libvirt update as well please
[13:59] <zul> jamespage:  perhaps...+1
[14:00] <zul> jamespage/yolanda: can you have a look https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/quantum/quantum-refresh/+merge/170626
[14:00] <jamespage> zul, almost there - http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/cloud-archive/havana_versions.html
[14:01] <yolanda> mm, i don't have permissions to do reviews now
[14:02] <zul> yolanda: ??
[14:03] <yolanda> with the branch change i do not have the possibility to approve it
[14:05] <zul> *sigh*
[14:06] <zul> roaksoax: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/python-keystoneclient/ftbfs-new-deps/+merge/170614 and https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/quantum/quantum-refresh/+merge/170626
[14:17] <yolanda> jamespage, rbasak: https://code.launchpad.net/~yolanda.robla/ubuntu/saucy/exim4/update_smtp_banner/+merge/170631
[14:22] <rbasak> yolanda: do you still need to patch src/EDITME, or is that not required any more now that you're patching Configure-config.h?
[14:23] <yolanda> you are right, i think it isn't needed
[14:23] <yolanda> let me do a test build without that anyway, but it should be ok
[14:23] <rbasak> yolanda: and do you need to refresh EDITME.exim4-light.diff? It would save having a reviewer verify that it doesn't change anything :)
[14:24] <yolanda> yes, these 2 patches can be skipped if EDITME is not needed
[14:24] <yolanda> i had to patch the -light.diff because it was giving conflicts
[14:24] <yolanda> but with the new approach EDITME should be skipeed
[14:25] <rbasak> Oh I see, of course. Now I see why you had to refresh it before.
[14:26] <yolanda> i'm just building without the EDITME changes, let me see
[14:27] <yolanda> it's quite strange how exim4 config is working, isn't it?
[14:27] <roaksoax> zul: done!
[14:28] <zul> roaksoax:  thanks
[14:28] <rbasak> It does seem rather obtuse
[14:28] <rbasak> I wonder what the reasoning was for doing it this way
[14:29] <yolanda> the custom buildconfig parser looked strange to me
[14:40] <zul> jamespage/roaksoax: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/keystone/keystone-refreshed/+merge/170639
[14:47] <yolanda> rbasak, i pushed version without EDITME, it works fine
[14:56] <zul> jamespage/roaksoax: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/keystone/keystone-refreshed/+merge/170639
[15:26] <fortmac> if i wanted to configure a development server to face the WWW but not be accessible by the public should i just host it at www.mysite.com/dev and put a password up and hope hackers dont find it?  whats the procedure on something like that?
[15:26] <rbasak> yolanda: lsb_release -si says only "Ubuntu". So the banner says 220 <hostname> ESMTP Exim 4.80 Ubuntu <date> with no release information. Is that intentional?
[15:27] <yolanda> rbasak, yes, we just need to show Ubuntu there
[15:28] <yolanda> rbasak : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-s-server-app-banner-updates
[15:40] <rbasak> yolanda: lgtm. I've commented on your MP, but I can't sponsor the upload.
[15:42] <yolanda> mm, i can't see the line wrap...
[15:43] <yolanda> you mean i exceed the max chars
[15:43] <yolanda> ?
[15:48] <yolanda> i updated it and i did a minor fix in patches, to add the BP url
[15:48] <yolanda> so jamespage, zul, can you sponsor it? https://code.launchpad.net/~yolanda.robla/ubuntu/saucy/exim4/update_smtp_banner/+merge/170631
[15:49] <yolanda> also dovecot is pending: https://code.launchpad.net/~yolanda.robla/ubuntu/saucy/dovecot/update_dovecot_name/+merge/170071
[15:50] <rbasak> Yeah - convention is to wrap after <80 chars.
[15:50] <rbasak> It doesn't matter much though
[15:50] <yolanda> fixed, i just checked pep8
[15:51] <LargePrime> getting this when trying apt-get upgrade The following packages have been kept back:
[15:51] <LargePrime>   mysql-client-5.5 mysql-server-5.5 mysql-server-core-5.5
[15:52] <LargePrime> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
[15:52] <LargePrime> so, total newb.  what does this mean
[15:52] <LargePrime> I am guessing it does not want to update MySQL
[15:55] <rbasak> LargePrime: "upgrade" won't pull in any new packages to fulfill dependencies, so if dependencies have changed then it refuses to upgrade packages if the upgraded packages won't ahve all dependencies fulfilled
[15:55] <rbasak> LargePrime: "dist-upgrade" will pull in new packages as needed.
[15:55] <resno> rbasak: ive always just ignored when it says that
[15:55] <LargePrime> will that upgrade my distro?
[15:55] <resno> "itll fix itself later"
[15:56] <LargePrime> o really?
[15:56] <resno> primiarly because i didnt know what it meant
[15:56] <rbasak> It won't upgrade your distro unless you have messed with your sources.list or sources.list.d/*
[15:56] <LargePrime> pull one thread and look what happens
[15:56] <rbasak> It will also tell you what extra stuff it is pulling in and prompt you first. If you see a huge number of packages, then perhaps stop
[15:56] <LargePrime> can i tell it to just install the new dependancies
[15:57] <rbasak> Yes - by using "dist-upgrade"
[15:57] <LargePrime> Do i know this update will not screw with my DB and things
[15:57] <resno> rbasak: will the eventually come forward or do you have to prompt them?
[15:58] <rbasak> resno: it depends, but normally I wouldn't expect anything to change over time. If "upgrade" can't do a package, it won't magically be able to in the future unless that package changes again.
[15:58] <rbasak> LargePrime: of course it'll screw with your DB. That's the whole point of upgrading. You do have backups, right?
[15:58] <resno> LargePrime: you can also run it with --simular
[15:59] <resno> simulate*
[15:59] <rbasak> And you know how to restore the backups and have tested this, right/?
[16:03] <resno> welp, i should had some backups before doing that updat lol
[16:08] <LargePrime> rbasak:  I thank you
[16:08] <LargePrime> also not need backups
[16:08] <resno> you dont?
[16:16] <zul> roaksoax:  https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/keystone/keystone-refreshed/+merge/170639
[16:18] <roaksoax> jamespage: when we upgrade a charm, the config-changed hook is called, but not the install hook right?
[16:18] <jamespage> roaksoax, no - the upgrade-charm hook is called
[16:19] <jamespage> roaksoax, or do you mean when we upgrade openstack?
[16:20] <roaksoax> jamespage: err, sorry i guess i should have said when we change the config and call upgrade-charm
[16:21] <jamespage> roaksoax, ok - so for openstack series upgrades - yes - its just the config-changed hook
[16:21] <jamespage> as the change in openstack-origin triggers the upgrade (at least it does right now)
[16:22] <roaksoax> jamespage: ok cool! thanks!
[16:22] <LargePrime> resno: I ment that I did not NEED them for this upgrade
[16:31] <zul> jamespage/roaksoax: (sorry for being a pain in the ass today) https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/cinder/cinder-refresh/+merge/170663
[16:40] <jamespage> zul, +1 on that cinder refresh
[16:40] <jamespage> zul, just hit a great bug backporting ovs to 12.04
[16:40] <jamespage> nothing todo with 12.04 but on my saucy laptop the pid of init is not 1
[16:41] <zul> huh?
[16:41] <jamespage> zul, its the upstart user thingy
[16:41] <jamespage> I get two init processes - one for the system, and one for me
[16:41] <zul> oh crappers
[16:42] <jamespage> the schroots see my user based one
[16:42] <jamespage> openvswitch has a test which expects the pid of the init process to = 1
[16:42] <jamespage> #bag
[16:42] <jamespage> #bang
[16:42] <zul> whoops! ;)
[16:42] <zul> good idea to get it fixed and contribute back upstream
[17:11] <jamespage> zul: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5784315/
[17:11] <jamespage> opinion sought
[17:11] <jamespage> I'm checking for a process named 'init' rather than pid 1
[17:12] <zul> wheres init.pid come from?
[17:12] <roaksoax> zul: are we still supporting essex?
[17:12] <zul> roaksoax:  yes
[17:12] <zul> for security updates
[17:13] <roaksoax> ack
[17:13] <roaksoax> jamespage: so charms should continue to support essex then?
[17:13] <jamespage> roaksoax, YES
[17:13] <jamespage> yes
[17:13] <jamespage> sorry - accidental caps
[17:13] <roaksoax> lol :)
[17:14] <zul> jamespage:  but yeah looks good
[17:15] <roaksoax> adam_g_: so for the templating, templates/<openstack-release> should be duplicated across all the releases that hve the same file, but only added if one release config file has different config?
[17:17] <zul> roaksoax:  well no i think essex uses python-gflags
[17:17] <adam_g_> roaksoax, templates/<config file> is one that has stayed the same across all releases
[17:18] <adam_g_> roaksoax, templates/<release>/<config file> is one that has changed format since <release>
[17:19] <roaksoax> adam_g_: right os if essex changed format, but not the rest, I still have to have templates/{essex,folsom,grizzly,havana> right?
[17:20] <adam_g_> roaksoax, if the essex format is different, but all releases since folsom use the same format, you can have templates/<essex>/<config file> + templates/<folsom>/<config file>.  all releases after folsom will fall back to the most recent templates/<release>
[17:21] <mgriffin> is there a place that lists PPAs? I am looking for MySQL 5.6
[17:21] <adam_g_> roaksoax, this approach may not be the most intuitive and im happy to change it if theres an easier way
[17:23] <roaksoax> adam_g_: that makes sense to me
[17:24] <roaksoax> adam_g_: but maybe, since we already now what release to install, it would be worth to add the release to the context and use it?
[17:24] <adam_g_> roaksoax, use it for what?
[17:28] <roaksoax> adam_g_: in the templates, but I guess that's just adding more complication
[17:30] <adam_g_> roaksoax, ya, by the time those are called the template loader is already constructed. my idea was to have the context generators be as generic and re-usable as possible.
[17:31] <adam_g_> roaksoax, the logic of supporting multiple release templates is isolated in the renderer + template classes, and each charms templates can be responisble for taking what they need from the generic contexts
[17:54] <roaksoax> adam_g_: ok so does this make sense? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5784442/
[18:04] <adam_g_> roaksoax, some indentation issues in the paste but generally looks goo
[18:04] <adam_g_> roaksoax, oh and +#!/bin/bash
[18:04] <adam_g_> ;)
[18:06] <roaksoax> adam_g_: lol:) didn't even notice :)
[18:14] <zul> adam_g_/roaksoax: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/cinder/missing-dep/+merge/170677
[18:19] <roaksoax> adam_g_: ideas of why this might happen? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5784524/ the relation is not being set in db_joined or something?
[18:21] <adam_g_> roaksoax, its looking in your charms config for database + database-user, but the config.yaml doesn't contain those
[18:22] <roaksoax> adam_g_: ohh i see!
[18:22] <adam_g_> roaksoax, up until now, each charm had their own database config value (cinder-db, nova-db, etc). i'd like to standardize on just 'database' + 'database-user' across all of them.
[18:24] <roaksoax> adam_g_: ok, so i should just change glance-db to database and so on
[18:24] <roaksoax> this won't create any issues on upgrade?
[18:24] <adam_g_> roaksoax, im not sure TBH.
[18:26] <roaksoax> adam_g_: well I guess if relations are re-generated on upgrade, it shouldn't
[18:35] <sw> Hi, is it meant to be that '$ w' will not show users that are currently rsync'ing to a server?
[18:35] <sw> (Because it doesn't).
[18:37] <sarnold> sw: I believe the intention of 'w' is to show which users are on which terminals
[18:37] <sarnold> sw: no terminal would be used for rsync, so no 'w' entry
[18:38] <sw> sarnold: Oh, woops. Is there a command like that but would show anything connected to the server (whether by rsync, SSH or whatnot)?
[18:39] <sarnold> sw: I'm not sure. 'last' may show you want you want; 'netstat -ntup' shows 'active' network connections and their processes...
[18:40] <roaksoax> adam_g_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5784572/
[18:41] <roaksoax> adam_g_: so it seems that the relation data been passed from mysql to glance is passed after it tries to render the config, resulting in a config without sql_connection being configured
[18:41] <roaksoax> adam_g_: any ideas?
[18:43] <roaksoax> adam_g_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5784579/
[18:45] <sw> What would be the cron line for 45 minutes past midnight? Is '45 00 * * *' correct?
[18:45] <sw> sarnold: Thanks!
[18:46] <adam_g_> roaksoax, ya, i was expecting we might hit this. my idea is to raise some new exception from context.py,like OSContextIncomplete, that the hook calling config.write() can catch and exit 0, similar to how we were checking [[ -n "$db_host ]] && exit 0
[18:46] <adam_g_> roaksoax, if you wanna have a go at that, feel free
[18:46] <roaksoax> adam_g_: ok cool, will look into it
[18:47] <sarnold> sw: yes, that looks correct
[18:58] <sjbnz> Having some very odd problems with NFS mounts this week...
[18:59] <sjbnz> ...unable to write to them, and "ls" gives errors.
[19:00] <RoyK> what error?
[19:03] <sjbnz> The "mount" cmd says: <IP_ADDRESS>:/webapp2qa/temp on /webapp/temp type nfs (rw,vers=3,proto=udp,soft,bg,intr,addr=<IP_ADDRESS>)
[19:03] <sjbnz> But $ ls /webapp/temp gives: ls: reading directory /app/temp: Input/output error
[19:04] <RoyK> sjbnz: tried to umount it and remount it?
[19:04] <sarnold> anything in dmesg?
[19:05] <sjbnz> Happening since Monday. Concerned that "unattented-upgrades" may have bumped us onto a bade version...
[19:06] <sjbnz> Yup, getting some: [48534.516447] nfs: server <IP_ADDRESS> not responding, timed out
[19:07] <sjbnz> ...but other mounts are working fine.
[19:07] <RoyK> sjbnz: to same server?
[19:07] <sarnold> on that server? or other servers?
[19:08] <sjbnz> NFS server is an "i5" (AS400!) - this is the 13th of 13 mounts
[19:10] <sjbnz> Have 3 boxes with the problems - two prod one test. All working fine until Monday
[19:10] <sarnold> can you leave an 'mtr <IP_ADDRESS>" running for a while and check the stats?
[19:30] <adam_g_> jamespage, FYI this is killing ceph 0.63.1 on precise for me ATM, at least with nova's default long hostnames
[19:30] <sjbnz> ?
[19:31] <roaksoax> adam_g_: so something like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5784732/
[19:32] <sjbnz> Just changed IRC clients, so I have missed the lat 10 mins
[19:32] <sarnold> sjbnz: nothing directed your way :)
[19:33] <sjbnz> mtr to my NFS server give avg:0.5, worst:9
[19:33] <sarnold> seconds?
[19:33] <sarnold> ah, I think it reports ms by default. okay. good. :) hehe.
[19:34] <sjbnz> ms probably (whatever it is that mtr talks :-) It's on the same network, so it SHOULD be fast
[19:35] <sjbnz> Looking y'day saw lots of those timeout messages, but not really matching with our problem...
[19:35] <sjbnz> ...which is specific to one mount.
[19:36] <roaksoax> adam_g_: nevermind that's wrong :)
[19:38] <sjbnz> Actaully, some other mounts are also giving "funny" responce to an ls...
[19:38] <sjbnz> ls: reading directory /webapp/proofimages: Input/output error
[19:39] <RoyK> sjbnz: tried to remount it?
[19:39] <RoyK> sjbnz: and are there any new kernels installed lately+
[19:39] <RoyK> ?
[19:40] <RoyK> nfs is in the kernel (usually)
[19:42] <sjbnz> yup, although the boxes hadn't been rebooted to have them take effect.
[19:45] <sjbnz> On 15/06: Upgrade: linux-server:amd64 (<IP_ADDRESS>.54, <IP_ADDRESS>.58)
[19:45] <sjbnz> ...form /var/log/apt/history.log
[19:46] <sjbnz> but y'day 20/06: Remove: linux-server:amd64 (<IP_ADDRESS>.58),
[19:48] <sjbnz> and now uname gives: Linux acme.example.org 3.2.0-48-generic
[19:49] <sjbnz> (after I spent some time trying to reverse the updates)
[20:00] <sjbnz> thx. Signing off now. I'm blaming the "mainframe" i5 guys seing reverting this kernel at the Ubuntu cleint end didn't help.
[20:11] <halvors> My /etc/hosts says "<IP_ADDRESS> server1. Should this be my real ip?
[20:11] <halvors> How can i set that from DHCP?
[20:14] <guntbert> halvors: no, thats ok
[20:14] <zerick> halvors, I think is not necessary using DHCP
[20:14] <zerick> and yeah, it's ok, it's default value
[20:17] <jamespage> adam_g_, whats killing ceph?
[20:17] <halvors> But my other slave dns server isn't able to connect to it.
[20:17] <halvors> It connect's using the <IP_ADDRESS> ip :(
[20:18] <adam_g_> jamespage, well, first i thought it was a segfault in liblockfile1 stopping ceph-mon from starting. after fixing that, ceph-mon still isn't starting.
[20:18] <adam_g_> jamespage, failed to bind the UNIX domain socket to '/var/run/ceph/ceph-mon.server-78f8f3a8-d5c5-46f4-9e65-cfbf1deeff87.asok'
[20:18] <adam_g_> jamespage, trying to make sense of the upstart scripts to try to debug why its not starting
[20:19] <jamespage> adam_g_, whats the length of that path?  linux has a limit for opening sockets
[20:19] <jamespage> 113 chars or something
[20:19] <adam_g_> jamespage, oh jeez, thats probably it
[20:19] <adam_g_> jamespage, the long hostname was causing the segfaul in liblockfile
[20:19] <jamespage> adam_g_, somewhere in the depths its probably throwing a ENOENT or suchluck
[20:20]  * jamespage tries to remember
[20:20] <jamespage> adam_g_, 103 chars
[20:21] <jamespage> http://openvswitch.org/pipermail/dev/2013-January/024528.html
[20:21] <jamespage> its possible to hack around it but its awkward
[20:21] <adam_g_> hmm
[20:21] <adam_g_> that path is only 72 chars
[20:26] <jamespage> adam_g_, odd
[20:27] <adam_g_> jamespage, in other news i get a ugly core dump if i run 'ceph-mon --cluster=ceph -i server-78f8f3a8-d5c5-46f4-9e65-cfbf1deeff87 -f' manually or with a shorter id
[20:27] <jamespage> pastebinit
[20:27] <jamespage> ?
[20:27] <jamespage> adam_g_, are you using charms to deploy?
[20:30] <adam_g_> jamespage, yes. up until bootstrap_monitor_cluster()
[20:31] <jamespage> adam_g_, can I see directly?
[20:31] <adam_g_> jamespage,  http://paste.ubuntu.com/5784893/
[20:31] <adam_g_> im working locally here
[20:32] <halvors> zerick: What to do for setting the DHCP assigned address to /etc/hosts?
[20:33] <zerick> halvors, well, you have to edit your /etc/network/interfaces
[20:34] <zerick> halvors, set your ethX interface to "dhcp"
[20:35] <zerick> indeed, DHCP is not going to write to /etc/hosts, that file you can edit manually if you wish
[20:35] <halvors> zerick: I did.
[20:35] <halvors> Ah ok.
[20:36] <zerick> halvors, all concerning to IP configuration goes on /etc/network/interfaces
[20:39] <halvors> Anyway. anyone who knows how to set in /etc/network/interfaces that i want to receive a IPv6 prefix using DHCPv6 Prefix Delegation?
[20:46] <jamespage> adam_g_, hmm - looks like cuttlefish introduced some charm incompatible changes
[20:46] <jamespage> looking now
[20:50] <adam_g_> jamespage, ah
[20:51] <jamespage> adam_g_, it would appear that /var/run/ceph and the mon directory itself must be present now
[20:51] <jamespage> for the ceph-mon mkfs to actually work
[20:51] <roaksoax> /win 4
[20:52] <monokrome> I am running Ubuntu server in VMWare. Is there a way to make it so that the TTY is resizable?
[20:52] <monokrome> I know that's probably baked into the kernel, but thought that there might be some fancy new thing for a resizable TTY. :)
[20:53] <adam_g_> jamespage, ill see if getting that created as part of install hook helps
[20:54] <roaksoax> adam_g_: i don't think we can add a OSContextIncomplete error class and catch the error elsewhere
[20:54] <roaksoax> adam_g_: at least catch that error in particular
[20:55] <adam_g_> roaksoax, why not?
[20:55] <roaksoax> adam_g_: so i've been trying this: two.py defines Error and raises it. in one.py I do try: except Error: and the error is not being caught
[20:56] <adam_g_> roaksoax, in one, do you 'from two import Error' ?
[20:56] <roaksoax> adam_g_: yeah!
[20:57] <roaksoax> I'm going to change the approach and see what happens
[20:57] <adam_g_> roaksoax, im not sure, i dont have it in front of me but im sure it can be done
[21:00] <jamespage> adam_g_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5784969/
[21:00] <jamespage> should sort you out
[21:01] <adam_g_> jamespage, cool. testing the same thing right now. thanks
[21:03] <adam_g_>       ceph-havana/1:
[21:03] <adam_g_>         agent-state: started
[21:03] <adam_g_> jamespage, ^ \o/ thanks
[21:04] <adam_g_> jamespage, ill propose something to the charm
[21:13] <roaksoax> adam_g_: ok IO'm hoping that this works: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5784994/
[21:15] <adam_g_> roaksoax, thats what i had in mind.
[21:19] <raub> logrotate question: can I have the postrotate command in the global area of the /etc/logrotate.d/whatever config file?
[21:32] <lifeless> hallyn: hey there.
[21:32] <lifeless> hallyn: ever seen lxc-create hang ?
[21:33] <lifeless> hallyn: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5785045/ - want a bug? I've left it for 15m plus before ^C'ing it.
[21:46] <Baribal_> Hi. Am I in the right channel for support on cloud images? 'Cause I managed to get a VM with the nightly saucy build running, but I don't even have a clue how to log in, that is, either I need user/pass (user being ubuntu, I guess) or a way to drop an ssh public key somewhere.
[21:53] <sarnold> Baribal_: this may be useful: http://ubuntu-smoser.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/using-ubuntu-cloud-images-without-cloud.html


[09:43] <Unit193> Might actually be able to make it to a day of OLF for the first time...
[09:44] <Unit193> Schedule is partially up too.