[07:56] <lordievader> Good morning.
[11:59] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[18:14] <bittin> http://foss-sthlm.haxx.se/rms2016.html
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> k1l: can you help him
[18:18] <k1l> ?
[18:20] <OerHeks> help RMS ?
[18:21] <k1l> bittin: since you got already a history of crossposting: if you dont want to be banned due to abuse please dont do that anymore.
[18:21] <bittin> k1l: sorry


[00:00] <charlie-tca> or, "Can you tell me how to do that? I can find nothing that explains it so it will allow it"
[00:00] <lukinfore> yep. bad english is bad)
[00:01] <lukinfore> k, i'l try to expand explanation, thanks
[00:02] <charlie-tca> you are welcome. I think that is the issue there.
[00:03] <lukinfore> I'm just not sure am I understand "bug" cleanly
[00:03] <lukinfore> if there is workaround - then it becomes not a bug?
[00:04] <lukinfore> say alsa fail - use oss
[00:05] <lukinfore> alsaplugin fails -use another interface
[00:05] <charlie-tca> If there is a workaround, it is still a bug, but becomes low importance
[00:05] <charlie-tca> too many bugs do not have a workaround
[00:06] <lukinfore> so what does incomplete status means?
[00:06] <charlie-tca> Incomplete means there is not enough information to determine how to fix the bug.
[00:07] <charlie-tca> If alsa fails, and something else will work, that is a workaround, then the bug is still a bug.
[00:07] <lukinfore> after expire date would bug be deleted?
[00:08] <charlie-tca> If alsa fails, and pulseaudio fails, that is a very high importance bug, and needs to get worked first
[00:08] <lukinfore> there was something about 60 days
[00:08] <charlie-tca> no, never deleted
[00:08] <charlie-tca> It just stays there and waits to see if someone can find how to fix it when they have time
[00:08] <lukinfore> ok, thanks again
[00:11] <charlie-tca> No problem.
[00:11] <charlie-tca> If you need more help with that, just come ask me.
[01:52] <_ns> Ahoy folks, anyone have experience getting xubuntu (or anything else, for that matter) running on PPC architecture?
[01:53] <charlie-tca> Used to have a ppc port, but we had to discontinue it
[01:54] <charlie-tca> Those with the most knowledge of it will be in #ubuntu-powerpc
[01:58] <_ns> ah lovely thanks for the heads-up
[08:03] <JoeR1> I need help configuring scripts in conky - I know this is NOT the conky room but the conky room is dead and I was hoping someone could lend me a hand
[08:05] <Sysi> has it been dead for longer than 15 minutes?
[08:05] <JoeR1> THis room?
[08:06] <JoeR1> oh, the conky room, Yes
[08:06] <Sysi> I don't know anything about conky but you can try popping a question
[08:07] <JoeR1> wel the CPU 1 and CPU 2 load outputs are mirrored, I suspect off of the load of CPU 1, and I would like those to be accurate
[08:10] <JoeR1> Sysi _ I have found a modicum of help but thank you for your consideration
[09:42] <jarnos> Even playing sound makes Xorg hog 40-80% of CPU. How to fix it?
[09:46] <well_laid_lawn> how do you know it is Xorg using the cpu when playing a sound?
[09:47] <Sysi> what graphics card/driver? what are you playing it with
[10:01] <jarnos> well_laid_lawn, top/htop command (or task manager) shows it. CPU usage drops, if I pause playback. No visualization in use. Same with different media/music players.
[10:02] <well_laid_lawn> strange that...
[10:02] <gour> morning
[10:02]  * jarnos uses "xterm -maximized -r -e htop" to monitor processes.
[10:04] <gour> in a few days i'm going to install ubuntu on my friend's netbook (1300x760 res). she is (ex.) windows user and i'd like to introduice her to linux. someone told me about KDE as the simplest OS for windows user. personally i use xfce (now on fbsd or archlinux), but wonder what is the difference if installing xfce-desktop from ubuntu vs xubuntu?
[10:05] <well_laid_lawn> with xubuntu you don't get the gnome apps
[10:05] <SaaMmY> if you want it you can
[10:05] <gour> all other ubuntu-specific system stuff are there?
[10:05] <SaaMmY> xfce support kde and gnome but is optional
[10:05] <SaaMmY> not default
[10:06] <ablomen> gour, if you install the xubuntu-desktop package on a ubuntu installation you basicly get the same as installing xubuntu itself, though with a lot of gnome apps in there
[10:06] <gour> does xubuntu use network-manager? her connection is wifi
[10:06] <ablomen> yes
[10:07] <ablomen> gour, and you can install any package you want on there, xubuntu and ubuntu use the same repositories and (almost?) all gnome applications work fine in xfce
[10:08] <gour> good...then it makes sense to install xubuntu..another thing...graphic in netbook is ati hd6310 and here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver it says: "These cards should work with Ubuntu Natty/11.04, however you will need a more recent version of Mesa (7.11.x) than Natty's default (7.10.x) to get 3D acceleration. " what does it mean?
[10:08] <jarnos> Sysi, Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 06), I tried ogg and flac files. Video playback is also slower than it was in the beginning of session.
[10:09] <jarnos> Sysi, I have NVidia graphics card.
[10:10] <well_laid_lawn> gour: it means to get 3d acceleration you'll need to do some work
[10:11] <Sysi> jarnos: how much uptime, propietary nvidia driver?
[10:12] <gour> well_laid_lawn: xubuntu desktop doed not need it? she would do surfing, emailing, watching movies...do you recommend prop. driver for movies?
[10:12] <well_laid_lawn> gour: I don't use ati so I couldn't say
[10:12] <well_laid_lawn> afaik the free ati driver is fine for 2d
[10:14] <jarnos> Sysi, 2:50, no propiatory; I tried the free 3D driver, too, but IRRC similar problem with it.
[10:15] <gour> well_laid_lawn: for me, free ati driver is fine with fbsd/archlinux, but was not sure about ubuntu desktop
[10:15] <Sysi> jarnos: should work with propietary one
[10:15] <well_laid_lawn> it'll be fine with the xfce desktop gour
[10:15] <gour> well_laid_lawn: thanks
[10:15] <well_laid_lawn> np :)
[10:15] <jarnos> Sysi, I did not try that
[10:17] <jarnos> Sysi, "Additional drivers" does not offer a propiatory driver.
[10:17] <gour> see you in few days, hopefully ;)
[10:23] <jarnos> Sysi, well_laid_lawn, now I realized why it takes so much CPU: Drawing the meter bar in pavucontrol is so hard for CPU (in Output devices and Playback tab).
[10:25] <well_laid_lawn> I thought Xorg had to be working to draw something to use the cpu
[10:27] <ichat> are there xfce-4.8 packages for  10.4 ?
[10:28] <Sysi> not official, I think some ppa:s exist
[11:38] <xubuntu916> ciao...volevo installare xubuntu in un eeepc 4gb ma mi richiede 4.4 gb di spazio e mi blocca l'install qualcuno mi sa dare qualche soluzione?grazie
[11:39] <well_laid_lawn> !it
[11:39] <xubuntu916> ok
[14:35] <dusf> hello, my monitor keeps turning off every 15 minutes when i am watching a full screen flash video, even though settings > power manager > is set to turn off the monitor never and put it to sleep never
[14:35] <dusf> how can i remedy this?
[14:37] <Aee> use caffenie
[14:38] <Aee> use caffeine
[14:39] <Aee> disable screensaver
[15:03] <dusf> Aee: thanks, it's installing. how come it would turn off every 15 minutes though on flash? i just leave the computer untouched not playing flash, or even playing a video in vlc it will turn the monitor off at the time i set
[15:04] <Aee> run caffeine
[15:04] <Sysi> you need to run some dpms commands I'll check if I can find what were they
[15:04] <Aee> see in bar click Disable screensaver
[15:06] <Aee> see a cup in panel
[15:07] <Sysi> try 'xset dpms 0 0 0'
[15:09] <Aee> what dpms?
[15:09] <Sysi> that commands screen powersaving
[15:12] <Aee> um
[15:12] <Sysi> see 'man xset'
[15:13] <Aee> see settings > Power Manager ?
[15:15] <Sysi> works for me, if it fails you try something else, xset should work
[15:17] <Aee> I see
[15:34] <dusf> Sysi: Aee thanks guys
[16:24] <pandeiro> anyone running xubuntu as a virtualbox guest? i can't get fullscreen to work with it. just wondering if this is a known issue. thanks
[16:28] <GridCube> pandeiro, installed the guest addons?
[16:29] <pandeiro> GridCube: yep
[16:29] <GridCube> it works whit the stretching option
[16:30] <pandeiro> i get a message saying that linux headers were not found when compiling the kernel modules from the guest addons, but i have several other distros running as guests and they stretch to full screen fine...
[16:31] <Sysi> install build-essential
[16:33] <pandeiro> Sysi: the host is not a debian-based distro but since I have other virtual machines (Ubuntu, Mint, others) that are able to go fullscreen, I am doubting it is the host...
[16:33] <Sysi> that's why you need build-essential(s) on guest to get kernel modules compile
[16:34] <pandeiro> Sysi: ahh, on the guest
[16:34] <pandeiro> gotcha, thanks i will try that
[16:39] <pandeiro> let me ask one more question: is there a keyboard shortcut to get a terminal window with xfce?
[16:40] <Sysi> you can set one yourself in keyboard settings
[16:43] <pandeiro> Sysi: thanks... btw 'build-essential' was already installed on my xubuntu guest, but I still get the message 'headers for the current running kernel were not found' when I try to compile the guest addons modules... and no fullscreen :(
[16:45] <Sysi> you need some linux-headers or kernel-headers package then
[16:46] <pandeiro> it seems it is a xubuntu/xfce issue as i just tested with a new guest ubuntu system and fullscreen works fine upon installing guest additions...
[16:46] <pandeiro> i installed linux headers already
[16:46] <pandeiro> any idea what other packages i might need?
[18:30] <efremov> hi
[18:31] <efremov> just installed 11.04 and I want to check does kernel use two cpus?
[18:31] <efremov> is there anyway to undestand that boch cores are in use?
[18:33] <GridCube> pandeiro, apparently guest additions and xorg doesnt like each other in the latest versions of both
[18:33] <GridCube> !dualcore
[18:34] <Sysi> there shouldn't be any way it wouldn't use them
[18:34] <Sysi> see lscpu and 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'
[18:35] <efremov> well I hope but task manager shows only one, should it show both usage?
[18:35] <Sysi> I don't use xfce taskmanager but my panel applet shows united usage
[18:35] <efremov> i see
[18:36] <efremov> you command show
[18:36] <efremov> CPU(s) : 2
[18:36] <Sysi> you can also check 'top' in terminal
[18:36] <efremov> so i guess im fine?
[18:36] <efremov> :)
[18:41] <efremov> in gnome resource manager shows it by processor so i expected here the same way
[20:48] <kiichiro> is there anyway to trick xubuntu to think it has microsoft firefox?
[20:48] <Sysi> user agent switcher addon
[20:49] <kiichiro> now how would I get that?
[20:49] <Sysi> firefox → tools → add-ons
[20:49] <kiichiro> thank you, I need silverlight to access online classes, so thanks so much just saved me a lot of trouble
[20:50] <Sysi> moonlight and user agent switching *might* work
[20:51] <Sysi> but you maybe will be to run (virtual) windows
[20:51] <Sysi> complain to school/goverment
[20:52] <kiichiro> well it's for my computer training. and yeah virtual windows hates me so much, might need to do a full switch over to my xp, which is saddening since linux runs a lot better most of the time
[20:52] <Sysi> dualbooting works..
[20:52] <kiichiro> yeah might need to do so, 40GB though, got to work with that
[20:53] <Sysi> 60GB ssd, mac os, win7 virtual, 12gb music and 5h HD video and I'd have room left for linux
[20:54] <kiichiro> wow, I might need to do the dual boot,
[20:55] <Sysi> (similar disk on linux desktop, I don't bother with broadcom wifi and ndiswrapper now when my studies are starting and I need that laptop)
[21:00] <kiichiro> the only problem is switching back to xp is the entire fact I have a built on nic and would need to find the driver for it which is a pain in my rear
[21:00] <kiichiro> even dual booting will be a pain
[23:00] <n2diy> anybody ever play with gnome-voice, the speech recognition program?
[23:10] <n2diy> anybody ever play with gnome-voice, the speech recognition program, I installed it with synaptic, but its not in the menus, and I can't find any files using find or locate?
[23:34] <TheSheep> n2diy: dpkg -L gnome-voice
[23:34] <n2diy> dpkg -L gnome-voice
[23:34] <TheSheep> n2diy: will list all files from that package
[23:34] <n2diy> whoops.
[23:35] <n2diy> my box is afu, the tab key is acting like the enter key!?
[23:36] <n2diy> TheSheep, ok, package not installed! But now I have other issues with the tab key. Thanks.
[23:37] <n2diy> restart time, brb
[23:42] <n2diy> ok, still have tab key issues.


[17:50] <jphilips> bluesabre: congrats on the menulibre video :D
[20:36] <jphilips> Unit193: can you redirect http://docs.xubuntu.com/ to the .org rather than landing on the apache page
[21:21] <Unit193> Nope, that's Canonical.
[21:50] <jphilips> how would one go about asking them to do this?
[21:51] <jphilips> was curious why the paulseaudio app isn't found in settings manager


[09:52] <psivaa> ubuntu ubiquity: Failed to symbolic-link /boot/initrd.img-3.5.0-15-generic to initrd.img:File exists at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-3.5.0-15-generic.postinst line 614.
[09:53] <psivaa> is this some thing to be concerned?
[09:53] <xnox> psivaa: is that on panda board?
[09:54] <psivaa> xnox, no, amd64
[09:54] <xnox> yes, it is to be concerned about. please file a bug
[09:55] <psivaa> xnox, ok thanks
[10:13] <psivaa> xnox, raised bug 1053317 for that
[10:14] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1053317 in ubiquity "Failed to symbolic-link /boot/initrd.img-3.5.0-15-generic to initrd.img:File exists at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-3.5.0-15-generic.postinst line 614. on amd64 installation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1053317
[11:19] <psivaa> today's wubi installation seem to get an old quantal (20120903.4), this is a pre-beta1 image. i guess this needs to be updated somewhere?
[11:22] <cjwatson> It shouldn't have dates hardcoded at all
[11:23] <cjwatson> And there's no 20120903.4 available for download anywhere on cdimage.  Odd!
[11:28] <psivaa> i got this information from /var/log/installer/media-info also i remember seeing grub 1.99 which could also suggest that its an old image
[11:28] <psivaa> ?
[11:34] <cjwatson> Can I see the Wubi log?
[11:38] <mpt> ev, "Install Ubuntu inside Windows [maps to resize_use_free or use_biggest_free]" ... that isn't right, is it? It maps to something_something_restart_into_wubi
[11:41] <ev> mpt: hmm
[11:41] <ev> yeah, looking at the code that doesn't seem right
[11:41] <ev> it just checks for windows
[11:41] <mpt> ev, https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1bZ4yQIVgGaUGSYu3qiUHnQt3ieBZoqunP_DcleHCr3I/edit#bookmark=id.35db66d9d3b3
[11:42] <mpt> I'm designing a fix for bug 1040996
[11:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1040996 in ubiquity "Test Case uri-001 Ubiquity Resize Install - Resizing partition choice not available" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1040996
[11:42] <mpt> basically just replacing "Windows" with "{name of other OS}" in each of those options, *except* for the Wubi one
[11:45] <psivaa> cjwatson, do you mean windows side logs?
[11:46] <cjwatson> I don't remember where the Wubi log lives.  I think it's Windows-side, yes.  The Ubuntu-side installer logs wouldn't hurt either.
[11:48] <cjwatson> Should be in %temp% apparently.
[11:55] <psivaa> the installation has picked up a locally stored iso, apparently we should not have one for wubi, so that explains
[11:57] <cjwatson> OK
[11:57] <cjwatson> Yes, Wubi generally uses separately-downloaded filesystem builds these days
[12:00] <psivaa> ok, thanks and sorry about the confusion :)
[12:33] <CIA-5> grub-installer: cjwatson * r1225 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog grub-installer): Don't try to use local outside a function (LP: #1053317).
[12:36] <CIA-5> grub-installer: cjwatson * r1226 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.78ubuntu2
[15:29] <bdmurray> is bug 1046627 by design?
[15:29] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1046627 in ubiquity "Install Ubuntu XX.XX alongside SYSTEM YY screen missing" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1046627
[15:30] <xnox> bdmurray: no. I can see that screen in my tests....
[15:31] <bdmurray> I'll target it to quantal then?
[15:32] <xnox> bdmurray: I think it might be user error. Because I think option "Use biggest free space" was used, which in quantal now goes straight to install.
[15:33] <xnox> bdmurray: target to quantal and assign to me, such that I don't forget to comment / follow up on it.
[15:34] <bdmurray> xnox: I just saw a screen with radio buttons and 'upgrade to 12.10' or 'install 12.10 and lose all your data'
[15:35] <xnox> bdmurray: you need to have enough disk space for alongside install. eg. 16GB disk or bigger.
[15:35] <xnox> bdmurray: then you should get three options.
[15:35] <xnox> if you don't get a third one for alongside, then it's a bug =)
[15:36] <bdmurray> xnox: ah, yes my disk was rather small
[15:36] <xnox> =) it needs to pass size check of big enough for two installs =)
[16:09] <cjwatson> xnox: finally got round to posting review feedback on your fix-value-errors branch
[16:16] <xnox> cjwatson: thank you. Interesting, I will check it.
[16:18] <cjwatson> in the meantime I'm going to do an upload to pick up my grub-installer fix, since that breaks installation
[16:24] <CIA-5> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5677 trunk/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[16:24] <CIA-5> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: grub-installer
[16:24] <CIA-5> ubiquity: 1.78ubuntu2.
[16:36] <CIA-5> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5678 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.12.1
[17:10] <CIA-5> ubiquity: xnox * r5679 trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Add manual crypto partitioning (LP: #1042649)
[17:11] <CIA-5> ubiquity: xnox * r5680 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.12.2
[17:12]  * xnox wishes cia did stuff on push, not on commit
[17:13] <stgraber> xnox: that's why you should use bound branches when working on branches linked with cia ;)
[17:15] <xnox> stgraber: cia should not dictate how I develop locally
[23:08] <CIA-5> ubiquity: xnox * r5413 precise-proposed/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-timezone.py):
[23:08] <CIA-5> ubiquity: Don't let oem-config crash from an invalid server return on the timezone
[23:08] <CIA-5> ubiquity: page. (LP: #887879)


[17:11] <pavlushka> .search Hawk
[17:11] <u-la-la> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawk_(disambiguation)


[01:59] <claycorn> hello
[01:59] <claycorn> i would like to update my amd radeon r5 graphics how do i do this ?
[08:57] <marina_> всем привет
[08:57] <marina_> как установить скайп
[10:45] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:54] <est31> hi
[10:54] <est31> any kubuntu packagers around?
[10:56] <BluesKaj> est31, try the #kubuntu-devel chat
[12:03] <deliver> Hey
[17:04] <YuxKukMo> hi! can someone tell me what program can i use to edit a pdf files ? thank you
[17:11] <genii> YuxKukMo: LibreOffice
[22:30] <xds> rapidsvn or kdesvn. which one u recommend? or any other good svn client for linux?
[22:31] <viewer|76880> anyone here?
[22:31] <viewer|76880> How do I get display port MST to work
[22:32] <viewer|76880> I have an Intel HD Graphics 520
[22:32] <viewer|76880> on a 4.10.0 kernel