[00:35] <jfi> hum, the 3 orange circles of the new default wallpaper is a bug?
[00:41] <coz_> jfi,  you mean this one ?  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/Warmlights.jpg
[00:42] <jfi> coz_, no, this one: http://i.imgur.com/YCn7C.jpg
[00:42] <coz_> oooo
[00:42] <coz_> I hope that is a bug :)
[00:42] <jfi> I hope too, but I don't see any report on launchpad (yet?) :-)
[00:42] <coz_> jfi,  check in /usr/share/backgrounds and just open the image in image viewer to see if those ugly oranges are gone :)
[00:43] <jfi> At least I am not the only one: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/ubuntu-1010-default-wallpaper.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+d0od+%28Omg!+Ubuntu!%29
[00:43] <danyR> jfi: I so want to see a bug report on the default wallpaper :D
[00:43] <coz_> jfi,  do you want the original withouth the oranges?
[00:44] <coz_> mm actually lucid one has one orange dot
[00:45] <coz_> jfi,    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/warty-final-ubuntu.png
[00:45] <jfi> coz_, well, I am usualy using a solid back background, so I don't really care about the default background but.....
[00:45] <coz_> jfi,   good thinking :)
[00:49] <jfi> well the lucid one does not hurt me, but the new one sounds like if a gimp newbie has quickly tested the brush button :)
[00:53] <FFForever> Hi ya
[00:53] <FFForever> is there an easy way to separate gnome/kde menu items?
[02:32] <Smoodo> How are things with 10.10?  Coming along pretty well?
[02:32] <IdleOne> X is broken for some
[02:32] <IdleOne> I would wait for release if I was you
[02:33] <Smoodo> I've been subscribed to Webupd8 and trying backports of some of the software included in 10.10.
[02:33] <Smoodo> Didn't know the state of things on the whole 10.10 enchilada
[02:35] <Smoodo> Thanks for the heads up IdleOne.
[02:36] <IdleOne> Smoodo: I am running maverick as my main OS and really haven't had any major issues I was not able to recover from.
[02:36] <IdleOne> but
[02:37] <IdleOne> I don't recommend it
[02:39] <charlie-tca> +1 for "don't recommend it" yet
[02:41] <IdleOne> Now if you got a spare computer and you don't mind it not booting more often then not..go for it.
[04:04] <MarkDude> Is there a reason that Ubuntu One keeps repeatedly crashing?
[04:04] <MarkDude> I mean it is dying like a few times every few minutes
[04:04]  * MarkDude is not even using it
[04:04] <MarkDude> How can I shut it off?
[04:05] <MarkDude> & does it relate to PolicyKit preventing a normal shutdown
[04:49] <Bridge|> hi all just upgraded to 10.10, prob ismy cpu may have turned off before the install completed cuz when I turned it back on after assuming it finished cuz it was off, the ubuntu 10.01 loading with dots appear and there now ubuntu graphic logo its just text then i hit a command promt promting me for user name and pass i login and just have a unix like interface its just one big terminal/console no GUI
[04:49] <Bridge|> i just upgraded from 10.04 all was working fine
[05:08] <Bridge|> anyone?
[05:21] <Ian_corne> Bridge|A: what do you want us to say
[05:22] <Ian_corne> If your computer turns of during a crucial update, it will break :p
[05:26] <MarkDude> Fedora is the only Distro I have ever used that *might* be able to survive an interupt like that
[05:27] <MarkDude> Its one the reasons their package manager take *forever* to do anything
[05:28] <MarkDude> Bridge|A, rescue what you can with a liveCD, if you have enough space use it to create another partition and copy your /home in to it
[05:28] <MarkDude> If your goal is to save bookmarks etc, stuff tht you can get later
[06:04] <DanaG> !find QDialog
[06:06] <DanaG> QDialog: No such file or directory
[06:13] <DanaG> ah, never mind... the part of the thing I really cared about, worked.
[06:48] <Ian_corne> heh, an update, clearing 2gb of space :D
[06:48] <Ian_corne> removing all my old kernels at once
[06:59] <Divecks> Hey all, are there glaring bugs in the latest (update-manager -d) build of Maverick? I'm installing it on my laptop (nothing important, just got it yesterday :D) Thanks! LD
[07:02] <MarkDude> Divecks, the biggest issue I have seen is policykit stops a normal shutdown
[07:02] <MarkDude> You just have to tel it to shut down anyway
[07:03] <Ian_corne> my NM crashes sometimes
[07:03] <Ian_corne> on my laptop
[07:03] <MarkDude> The tabs render funny on Chromium if you have a few of them open
[07:03] <MarkDude> Oh, Ubuntu one crashes every few minutes, and I am nt even using it
[07:05] <Divecks> Interesting.
[07:06] <Divecks> Well I don't really use Ubuntu One (not until it's much more polished anyway), but I do like using Chromium. Perhaps that bug has been fixed in a newer build? Does update-manager -d pull the latest daily build or an alpha snapshot?
[07:07] <Divecks> I don't think drivers should be a problem, this is a System76 laptop, so I'm going to assume the hardware should work pretty nice with Linux in general.
[07:10] <MarkDude> Right on which model?
[07:11] <Divecks> MarkDude, It's the new Lemur Ultrathin (lemu2)
[07:11]  * MarkDude works for Zareason, they have some cool hardware also
[07:11] <MarkDude> That machine looks cool
[07:11] <Divecks> Ahh but Zareason does things differently.
[07:12] <MarkDude> Even tho they are competitors of ours, we like them
[07:12] <Divecks> Of ours?
[07:12] <MarkDude> Its not a duel to the finish :)
[07:12] <Divecks> Forgive me :D
[07:12] <MarkDude> I am ZA's Community Manager
[07:12] <Divecks> Ah right I totally missed your comment about that.
[07:12] <MarkDude> np
[07:13] <Divecks> Yeah, and System76 doesn't diss you either. I was talking to them on the phone before I got my laptop, and they spoke well of you guys.
[07:13] <MarkDude> Of course, we have been pondering the best way for us to have an alliance
[07:14] <Divecks> You guys should really "get out there" more. Like system76 has a bunch of ads and (I think) a bigger name in the Ubuntu world.
[07:14] <Divecks> Especially with them being part of the Ubuntu Forums mainland.
[07:14] <MarkDude> When we deal with the manufacturers, its good to be able to havea solid FOSS friendly deal
[07:14] <Divecks> Right.
[07:15]  * MarkDude totally agrees. I am relatively new, we need more visibility
[07:15] <MarkDude> We have been working on closer relationships with those nice Canonical folks
[07:16] <Divecks> Another thing I should add, is your website needs some work. Not saying that the System76 website is fantastic, far from it, and lots of it is out of date, but I almost dismissed your website as one of those "squatter-spam" sites.
[07:16] <MarkDude> lol
[07:16] <Divecks> The layout feels very generic, if you know what I mean.
[07:16] <MarkDude> I do
[07:16] <Divecks> And it's a shame though,
[07:16] <Divecks> because you have a really impressive selection of computers.
[07:16] <MarkDude> sucks is another words that could be used
[07:16] <MarkDude> imho
[07:16] <Divecks> :D
[07:17] <MarkDude> Can I use your quote to show Cathy & Earl?
[07:17] <Divecks> So who's bigger, you or System76? You've got lots more laptops then them.
[07:17] <Divecks> Not sure who they are :P
[07:17] <MarkDude> I dont know, they are much bigger as far as nationwide awareness
[07:18] <MarkDude> We are more known internationally
[07:18] <MarkDude> Plus they just offer Ubuntu, we offer quite few Distros in addition
[07:18] <Divecks> I suspected. And checking you and sys76 out on youtube, I was really shocked to find literally one video for each of you basically.
[07:19] <Divecks> Oh I didn't know that.
[07:19] <Divecks> Well that would make sense since you guys do the hardware+linux vanilla support thing.
[07:20] <MarkDude> Be prepared for some videos from us soon
[07:21] <MarkDude> Did you get the SSD for your machine or  regular hard drive?
[07:21] <Divecks> :) I'd be really interested.
[07:22] <Divecks> MarkDude, For the longest time, I really thought I was going to get the SSD.
[07:22] <Divecks> But I called them up and they said that I could upgrade it later should I choose to (and that's a major plus, SSDs are MAD expensive, and theirs are no exception). Plus, I honestly don't think i'll need the speed.
[07:23] <Divecks> I'm a 9th grader and I'll (in theory =D) mainly be using this laptop for school work and stuff.
[07:23] <dart> after a update to usbmodeswitch yesterday, my card stopped working. The data card appears as a mass storage device but for only a second and then it disappears. Everything was working fine before the update.
[07:23] <MarkDude> At 1st I had one of them, I could reboot in less than 10 seconds
[07:24] <Divecks> I've got an iMac running Ubuntu that works very well, and that's what I do most of my "stuff" on.
[07:25] <Divecks> MarkDude, yeah, so I've heard. But really, the main slowdown on that machine, I think, is the processor/graphics. Even though it's dualcore AND hyperthreaded, with that new intel HD chipset, it still has like little lagspikes which I don't know if they are Ubuntu's problem or the gfx card.
[07:25] <Divecks> But I can play Nexuiz suprisingly well, and I can stream 1080p video via my SSHFS/SaMBa cloud thingy.
[07:26] <MarkDude> Good call, unless you need to do lots of reboots, the larger and more affordable drive is the best choice
[07:27] <MarkDude> The hyperthreading can cause some weird issues depending on what is happening with you ACPI
[07:27]  * MarkDude has a small bug I have been trying to solve for one of our machines
[07:27] <Divecks> MarkDude, Right. But actually, in preparation for soon-to-be SSD, I set up a DynDNS account a bajillion servers on my iMac.. So I essentially save all my work on the laptop and stream all my media from my iMac. It's cool stuff, even though nautilus gives me 300 bugs/hr working with samba shares.
[07:28] <Divecks> MarkDude, Interesting. Any odds that Maverick will clean that up?
[07:28] <MarkDude> After doing some research , I found that 76 is having a simlar issue
[07:28] <Divecks> Hmm. What *exactly* is the issue? :P
[07:28] <MarkDude> Meerkat solve most of everything
[07:29] <Divecks> Ah that's good. The papercuts project for Meerkat is looking REALLY sharp.
[07:29] <MarkDude> The matching of C states with your system calls
[07:30] <Divecks> MarkDude, Oh it's that low level. And what would be the side-effects?
[07:31] <MarkDude> C0 C2 C3 C4 can be not fully C0 in that Intel's chips can require *two* inputs to make it step down to proper state
[07:31] <Divecks> I see.
[07:33] <MarkDude> Under some conditions, it can make the the computer think it needs more power thn it does
[07:33]  * MarkDude has not seen the power issue yet, that part is just a theory
[07:34] <Divecks> And linux has enough problems powermanaging as it is lol
[07:34] <MarkDude> Exactly, see if you can try other graphics options
[07:35] <vish> booooot you crazy iso...! dont be afraid its a VM!
[07:35] <Divecks> MarkDude, What do you mean?
[07:36] <MarkDude> what driver is your machine using?
[07:36] <Divecks> MarkDude, I really don't know to be honest. It ships with System76's custom driver pack preinstalled, and nothing shows up under hardware drivers.
[07:37] <MarkDude> Oh, I forgot they use custom drivers
[07:39] <MarkDude> sudo lspci -vnn
[07:39] <MarkDude> If you use that in terminal near the top will be the driver used
[07:42] <Divecks> Okay so it finished installing and I've rebooted it.
[07:42] <Divecks> However,
[07:42] <Divecks> It can't connect to my wireless interestingly enough
[07:42] <Divecks> though it sees the name
[07:42] <MarkDude> Do that lspci command
[07:43] <MarkDude> See what it says for your wireless driver
[07:43] <MarkDude> With your other machine google for that card & options
[07:44]  * MarkDude guesses you have Intel based wireless
[07:44] <Divecks> I think so.
[07:44] <MarkDude> and that your issues lie in its ability to not talk to your router
[07:44] <Divecks> can't see anything in lspci really.
[07:44] <Divecks> perhaps a fresh install of maverick would be better?
[07:44] <Divecks> though I'd lose the System76 driver.
[07:45] <Divecks> Not sure how much that's actually doing for me though.
[07:46] <MarkDude> Uh, without knowing if it is customized , I would not do that
[07:46] <MarkDude> try it somewhere else if you can
[07:47] <MarkDude> That is part of the reason that my bosses decided to make sure everythng we sell is upstream compatible
[07:47] <Divecks> Yup policykit DOES prevent reboot.
[07:47] <Divecks> Humph.
[07:48] <MarkDude> But, the downside to that is that 76 has their fingerprint reader working, unlike ours, they have a beta driver they did
[07:48] <MarkDude> Do they have an IRC channel?
[07:48] <Divecks> Don't think so.
[07:48] <Divecks> But they're active on facebook, twitter, and the forums.
[07:49] <Divecks> I think 10.04 is better to stick with for now.
[07:50] <Divecks> Interesting.
[07:50] <Divecks> A reboot fixed the wifi
[07:50] <MarkDude> So you have no connection issues with your machine before?
[07:50] <Divecks> None before Maverick
[07:50] <MarkDude> Check again just using lspci
[07:50] <Divecks> and apparently none now.
[07:50] <Divecks> ah i got it
[07:51] <Divecks> Intel corp Centrino Advanced-N 6200 (rev 35)
[07:51] <Divecks> that;s actually an upgrade from the base config.
[07:51] <Divecks> for like 10 bucks more, it's a much better card.
[07:51] <MarkDude> Good call
[07:52] <MarkDude> Good deal also
[07:52] <Divecks> Ubuntu REALLY needs to work with Gnome upstream on Appearance Prefs.
[07:52] <Divecks> There's some major leak or something in the Background tab
[07:52] <Divecks> takes like
[07:52] <Divecks> 10 seconds to query background.
[07:53] <Divecks> Chrome seems to render multiple tabs OK
[07:54] <Divecks> but i'm using a bleeding edge build from a PPA
[07:54] <Divecks> (which, by the way, is awesome.. nice GTK+ integration improvements)
[07:56] <MarkDude> iwlagn is your driver
[07:56] <Divecks> 1 sec, i'm switching to IRC on my laptop
[07:56] <Divecks> exit
[07:57] <Divecks> back
[07:59] <MarkDude> That iwlagn driver is weird
[08:00] <Divecks> Apparently.
[08:00] <MarkDude> I have not been happy with it
[08:00] <MarkDude> I have it on my machine also
[08:00] <Divecks> But its now working flawlessly.
[08:00] <MarkDude> Thats it , its not reproducible
[08:01] <MarkDude> I put an Atheros card in mine to see if I had any errors, NONE
[08:01] <MarkDude> Problem was the range was horrible
[08:02] <MarkDude> Would work at less then half of the range
[08:03] <MarkDude> Lenovo machines are producing a similar issue with their wireless
[08:03] <MarkDude> If it happens again save your relevant logs
[08:04] <MarkDude> Every papercut like this could turn away potential new users, I dont like that, I should get in touch with 76 next week
[08:06] <MarkDude> Im glad it works now. Try administration >> System Testing  and see what it says before you decide to go with Meerkat
[08:09] <MarkDude> And remember that the Intel graphics driver can say that you have more resolutions available than are actually usable,
[08:25] <dart> usb-modeswitch has stopped working after an update yesterday and i cant downgrade....someone else facing this problem?
[08:45] <hosoka> hello
[08:45] <hosoka> when updating the test version it gives me a message Package dependencies cannot be resolved due to libgirepository1.0-1
[08:46] <hosoka> when I upgrade that libgirepository1.0-1 it removes the whole ubuntu-desktop
[09:40] <jca1981> can you help me? im getting this when i try to install virtualbox via apt get "Depends: libc6 (>= 2.11) but 2.10.1-0ubuntu17 is to be installed"
[09:47] <yofel> jca1981: erm, which release are you using? libc6 2.10 is from karmic
[10:52] <bogdomania>  cheers guys.. no luck on the forums so i`ll ask here: after installing 10.10 and upgrade it, i don`t have the external usb drives(flash drive in vfat) auto-mounted.. it is listed with lsusb. hal is installed, but hal-device-manager is not available in repos.. any ideas?
[11:06] <vega_> i thought hal was deprecated since 10.04
[11:07] <vega_> that's why it is not in the repos..
[11:10] <vega_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Halsectomy
[11:11] <bogdomania> yeah, well i don`t know what changed in ubuntu, since i didn`t use it for a long time.. i was switching from SuSE... but still, in 10.04, the automount feature was functional..
[11:12] <vega_> well, 10.10 is not even beta
[11:13] <bogdomania> btw.. the kernel was upgraded too.. with the prior version, automount was working fine.. damn..
[11:13] <bogdomania> i just remembered :D
[12:38] <nigelb> Is there a known issue with d-i? I find that alternate Cd for lucid 10.04.1 doesn't work.
[12:38] <nigelb> it would be nice to know if it was something at my end only.
[12:44] <gnomefreak> nigelb: please see #ubuntu for your issue
[14:18] <amikrop> Hi, is there an available update for fixing this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/consolekit/+bug/544139 ?
[14:19] <amikrop> sorry, wrong channel
[14:22] <jfi> Hello, I have a compatibility issue concerning ApplicationIndicator and maverick/lucid that I reproduce with a small C code, can someone confirm it before I open a bug? It requires gcc and some dev packages
[14:22] <jfi> the C code can retrieved from: http://pastebin.com/8PxKgYTB
[14:23] <jfi> to compile it: gcc `pkg-config --cflags --libs gtk+-2.0 appindicator-0.1` main.c
[14:24] <jfi> issue is that the icon does not change when you click on the menu of application indicator, nok with mavercik, ok with lucid
[14:58] <vish> does anyone know the bug# for Ubuntu not booting in VM?
[14:59] <vish> err, Maverick* not booting
[14:59] <penguin42> vish: I have 2 mavericks booting in KVM
[15:00] <vish> penguin42: tried with the latest iso? i mean they boot if already installed , but not if we want to boot and install a fresh one
[15:01] <penguin42> oh, no I haven't tried an iso for a while
[15:03] <vish> yeah , i made the mistake of deleting the old VM before installing a new one, and i cant create a new install :(
[15:04] <penguin42> how far does it get?
[15:05] <vish> well , it sometimes goes until i hit 'install now' , and then just hangs. or sometimes it just hangs before that too
[15:05] <vish> i heard on -devel that it is a known bug, but cant seem to find it..
[15:06] <kklimonda> damn, ubuntu is getting crashy lately :/
[15:09] <gnomefreak> i have had a few crashes since breezy devel cycle but it was X and only maybe 2 times in all that time
[15:10] <gnomefreak> vish: i should have it in email but seems thunderbird cant connect to that accout or 4 others
[15:10] <gnomefreak> account
[15:11] <kklimonda> gnomefreak: well, by Ubuntu I actually mean everything - ubuntu and applications :)
[15:11] <gnomefreak> oh
[15:11] <vish> TB~!!
[15:11] <kklimonda> but I've also had a few freezes in the last week or so related to nouveau
[15:12] <gnomefreak> we should be posting tb 3.2 and 3.3 IIRC :)
[15:12] <vish> is anyone running on btrfs? especially their /home?
[15:12] <kklimonda> poke bugabundo once he's online
[15:12] <gnomefreak> kklimonda: nautilus + nouveau?
[15:12]  * vish  looking reinstall and to migrate /home to btrfs..
[15:12] <gnomefreak> is nvidia working on upgrade from Lucid?
[15:13] <gnomefreak> or is it still not being held back?
[15:13] <kklimonda> gnomefreak: I think the freeze is related to firefox
[15:13] <kklimonda> I can't, for example, browse google images at all
[15:13] <kklimonda> I can barely do ctrl+w when I open it
[15:13] <gnomefreak> kklimonda: happens but for me 4.0 freezes sometimes 3.6 not so much
[15:13] <kklimonda> and sometimes while I'm browsing  random pages I get a full freeze and nothing helps - I can only do REISUB to reboot
[15:14] <kklimonda> (sysrq+k doesn't work :/)
[15:14] <gnomefreak> thats new
[15:14] <kklimonda> yeah, I should boot with debug and report it
[15:14] <kklimonda> but the problem is it's rando
[15:14] <kklimonda> m
[15:15] <kklimonda> hmm.. what's the status of xen inclusion into mainline?
[15:15] <gnomefreak> not sure
[15:19] <yofel> vish: tried if ubuntu-vm-builder works?
[15:20] <vish> yofel: hmm , nope.. never tried that before..
[15:20]  * vish searches for instructions
[15:21] <yofel> vish: you'll get instructions with 'ubuntu-vm-builder kvm --help'
[15:22] <vish> yofel: ah.. thanks.
[15:54] <penguin42> ah great, the set gfxmode stuff has finally gone; now the only grub change I have to make is the no intremap
[15:56] <DrHalan> oh ambience beta finally made it into main...
[15:57] <penguin42> anyone else seeing ~30 second boot pause just after loading the Radeon module?
[15:58] <patdk-wk> nope
[15:58] <patdk-wk> I have no radeon's though
[15:58] <Pici> penguin42: I can check after I get home from work.
[16:51] <penguin42> anyone seen gnome-terminals not starting up with previous session position/size/instances?
[17:56] <Divecks> MarkDude, You there?
[17:57] <MarkDude> Yes, how goes it Divecks ?
[17:57]  * MarkDude is waiting in a DR office :)
[17:57] <Divecks> MarkDude, Not so good. I wake up today to find my laptop's monitor FULL of garbage
[17:57] <christian_lappy> guys, mx xserver crsashes at the first login
[17:57] <christian_lappy> secong login works
[17:57] <Divecks> MarkDude, And it's a hardware thing, because the garbage is persistant at BIOS.
[17:58] <Divecks> MarkDude, Luckily Sys76 didn't give me any hassle about it and a prepaid shipping label is on its way to me.
[17:58] <MarkDude> Wow, have you tried another live CD?
[17:58] <penguin42> christian_lappy: When it starts up OK the 2nd time if you're lucky there will be a log in v/ar/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[17:58] <MarkDude> Hm, make sure to remind them to save the logs if they can
[17:59] <Divecks> MarkDude, No it's def.  not a problem like that. 10.04, maverick, or a livecd, the problem is still there. I know it can't be a software thing because it happens before Ubuntu even loads.
[17:59] <MarkDude> On the off chance Meerkat did something to it,
[17:59] <christian_lappy> penguin42: yep, it is :)
[17:59] <Divecks> MarkDude, I think their plan is to try and replace the needed parts, not wipe it.
[17:59] <MarkDude> Was it doing it before the upgrade?
[18:00] <christian_lappy> penguin42: Backtrace:
[18:00] <christian_lappy> [    63.708] 0: /usr/bin/X (xorg_backtrace+0x3b) [0x80e83bb]
[18:00] <MarkDude> Very cool, I have heard they are pretty good about working on stuff
[18:00] <penguin42> christian_lappy: Put it in a pastebin
[18:00] <christian_lappy> penguin42: the complete log ?
[18:00] <penguin42> christian_lappy: Yeh or put it in a bug report and then point us at that
[18:01] <MarkDude> Isnt it nice to deal with a company that does not make you spend hours & hours arguing over whether yu have an issue or not:)
[18:01] <Divecks> MarkDude, So I should hope :D And I'm 99.999% sure meerkat had nothing to do with it.
[18:01] <Divecks> MarkDude, Yeah, like Apple in recent years.
[18:01] <MarkDude> Nothing against Dell, but I have heard horror stories about people having to argue with them
[18:01] <Divecks> Yeah so i've heard.
[18:02] <Divecks> I will say though, that Chrome works AMAZING under Maverick.
[18:02] <Divecks> Divecks it opens before my dock icon even starts to jump lol.
[18:02] <Divecks> But this is a daily build.
[18:02]  * MarkDude still thinks it is great Dell offers Linux, but, the customer support leaves much to be desired
[18:02] <Divecks> MarkDude, Do they? I thought their linux lineup was more  of a "showoff" type thing.
[18:03] <MarkDude> Yep, Meerkat connects via wireless real quick
[18:03] <Divecks> MarkDude, Once the beta hits, I think I'm going to upgrade my main computer. You don't think the beta will have that policy kit problem, do you?
[18:03] <MarkDude> That may be , I still think anytime Linux gets even a token effort, it helps at least with *awareness*
[18:04] <penguin42> their kit gets used a lot for server sutff
[18:04] <Divecks> Yes totally.
[18:06] <MarkDude> That policykit is just a small roadbump
[18:06] <MarkDude> Its not really an issue, unless you have something that requires it
[18:08] <christian_lappy> penguin42: #625439
[18:08] <penguin42> bug 625439
[18:08] <Divecks> MarkDude, I don't actually even really know what PolicyKit does, exactly.
[18:09] <penguin42> christian_lappy: Hmm htat backtrace is unusually sparse
[18:11] <christian_lappy> penguin42: yup
[18:12] <penguin42> christian_lappy: You mgith try installing xserver-xorg-dbgsym to get a bit more info from the debug
[18:12] <penguin42> and you're on common hardware
[18:12] <christian_lappy> yup
[18:13] <christian_lappy> laptop with intel igp
[18:13] <christian_lappy> lenove thinkpad
[18:13] <christian_lappy> worked until yesterdays updates or so
[18:13] <MarkDude> Authentication
[18:13] <christian_lappy> x61s
[18:14] <christian_lappy> btw, how can i test thre new ubuntu font ?
[18:14] <MarkDude> Divecks, but since the bug happens on shutdown, I am guessing that authentication then will not cause issues
[18:14]  * MarkDude is leaving the Dr officce
[18:14] <IdleOne> christian_lappy: it is still in beta testing, not open to public yet
[18:15]  * MarkDude will be back for commute & once I am at the shop
[18:15] <christian_lappy> IdleOne: oh..so no way to get ?
[18:15] <IdleOne> nope
[18:16] <christian_lappy> damn
[18:30] <penguin42> hmm Maverick seems to have gained a bug in the last week or two where I ahve to unlock my crypted drive twice for it to mount
[20:26] <siegie> I have think adblock in rekonq doesn't work, although it's enabled in the config menu
[20:31] <lontra> hi, i have a couple of quick questions re: maverick. 1) is the intel driver 'better' in maverick than lucid? i occassionally get screen flickering. 2) are the daily ISOs installable. 3) has maverick been relatively stable? I'm use to running debian sid so i can handle instability but prefer having some stability
[20:33] <jfi> lontra, maverick is alpha, so not stable
[20:34] <lontra> jfi: well yes i know that it's stable because it hasn't been released and is in development
[20:34] <lontra> jfi: i wonder if it'll be an improvement for me regardless because of the intel issues
[20:36] <penguin42> lontra: Still quite a few issues
[20:36] <jfi> maybe the best way to know it, is that you give it a try with a livecd, stability may depend on your hardware
[20:37] <lontra> ok i'll take a look ... i've got everything backed up, i have some time, i can always install maverick, if it doesn't pan out well i can, reinstall lucid
[20:37] <ali1234> about that warning in the topic... is it the usual binary driver problems? what hardware does it apply to?
[20:37] <jfi> ali1234, nvidia is broken (at least for me)
[20:37] <ali1234> nvidia always breaks :)
[20:38] <jfi> it works with a ABIIgnore in the xorg.conf but that's not very convenient:)
[20:43] <jfi> lontra, if you can, I think that it is better to install maverick aside lucid and not instead. It will allow you to switch to lucid if there is an update which break too much the system. In alpha stage, there is often updates which break the system and is fixed in the coming hours/days
[21:32] <Shadowww> hi there, on ubuntu 10.10 with latest drivers nvidia kernel breaks and complains about ABI revision. any way to fix this? maybe another nvidia driver?
[21:36] <Shadowww> nvm, just noticed topic.
[21:37] <ali1234> apparently it works if you put ABIIgnore in xorg.conf
[21:37] <ali1234> but this happens every time with the new xorg
[21:37] <ali1234> takes a while for the binary only drivers to catch up
[21:38] <urthmover> is there a way to dist-upgrade to maverick?  Is it smarter to do a fresh install though?
[21:39] <ali1234> urthmover: sudo update-manager -d usually does it
[21:39] <ali1234> the -d is for development version
[21:39] <urthmover> ahh  genius   thanks ali1234
[21:39] <ali1234> can't tell you which way is best i didn't try it yet
[21:40] <ali1234> they're both likely to make your computer catch fire
[21:40] <Shadowww> another question.. vmware workstation 7.1.1's vmmon doesn't builds on kernel 2.6.35-19 complaining about 'error: implicit declaration of function iommu-unmap-range'
[21:40] <Shadowww> is this known bug or it's a problem with my configuration?
[21:40] <ali1234> the vmware modules have to build against the kernel headers, they probably changed
[21:40] <ali1234> this often happens with 3rd party kernel modules
[21:41] <Shadowww> so I have to wait for patch from vmware?
[21:41] <ali1234> there's probably already a patch on vmware forums or something
[21:41] <ali1234> yeah or go in and patch it yourself, it is probably quite easy
[21:41] <ali1234> they probably just renamed some function
[21:41] <Shadowww> will try, thanks :)
[21:41] <ali1234> that's what usually happens
[21:41] <ali1234> renamed in linux that is
 hi there, on ubuntu 10.10 with latest drivers nvidia kernel breaks and complains about ABI revision. any way to fix this? maybe another nvidia driver?
[21:41] <jfi> Shadowww, add this in xorg.conf:
[21:41] <jfi> Section "ServerFlags"
[21:41] <jfi>     Option         "IgnoreABI" "True"
[21:41] <jfi> EndSection
[21:41] <ali1234> i have had this problem with virtualbox and nvidia dkms stuff when using newer kernels
[21:42] <ali1234> it was always quite easy to fix
[21:50] <burner> help... my nvidia is all b0rked and i only get X through nv!!!!
[21:50] <penguin42> heck this needs topicing
[21:51] <penguin42> burner: Read the last 10 or 20 lines - it's just explained the same problem
[21:51] <burner> lol
[21:51] <jfi> burner, you can test by adding this in xorg.conf:
 Section "ServerFlags"
     Option         "IgnoreABI" "True"
 EndSection
[21:51] <burner> rad
[21:51] <jfi> rad?
[21:51] <burner> i mean, thanks mucho
[21:52] <vish> is anyone able to notice the odd fonts in launchpad or is it just me!?
[21:52] <DanaG> fsck: Error 2 while executing fsck.btrfs for /dev/sde1
[21:52] <DanaG> fsck.btrfs: not found
[21:53] <burner> w00t, back to 3D compizy goodness, thanks again!
[21:53] <charlie-tca> vish: isn't it showing whatever is selected as fonts in the browser?
[21:54] <vish> charlie-tca: nah , actually lp fonts are hard-coded
[21:54] <vish> they had something else earlier
[21:54] <vish> there was a bug about it too.
[21:54] <charlie-tca> They are?
[21:54] <vish> yeah , they seem to have just switched to Ubuntu fonts..
[21:55]  * vish looks for bugs
[21:55] <vish> bug*
[21:55] <charlie-tca> I see UbuntuBeta on almost everything there
[21:56] <BUGabundo> me what ?
[21:56] <vish> yeah , they seem to have just switched and the comments are using HUGE fonts! :/
[21:57] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: about the antenna - I am sorry, but I really needed it. Mine was stolen and I needed the replacement. Thanks for understanding... ;-)
[21:57]  * BUGabundo /kicks charlie-tca where it hurts
[22:00] <charlie-tca> hmm, well, at least I can read the comments now...
[22:00] <BUGabundo> what comments ?
[22:01] <sebsebseb> Hi
[22:02] <vish> charlie-tca: yay! its back to normal! :D
[22:02] <charlie-tca> oh
[22:02] <vish> looks like we caught them in the middle of testing ;p
[22:02] <charlie-tca> So I won't be able to read it easily again?
[22:03] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: launchpad
[22:05] <BUGabundo> ahh
[22:13] <vish> charlie-tca: odd! i cant find the bug about lp fonts being hard-coded! :(  sladen was the one who had filed it, but the beta fonts project name has changed and it seems lost.. :S
[22:14] <kklimonda> hihi, the funny bug with google maps is a good example why including a 3rd party code you have no control over into your code is stupid..
[22:15] <MarkDude> penguin42, is there a pastebin of the common problem?
[22:15] <vish> lp and its blackholes! , change a project name and all the closed bugs are lost :/
[22:15] <penguin42> MarkDude: Don't know, I'm not an Nvidia user - I just lurk here
[22:15] <MarkDude> Its the X fix - correct?
[22:16]  * vish points finger a penguin42 and yells stranger danger! :p
[22:16] <vish> at
[22:16] <penguin42> eep!
[22:17]  * MarkDude is at a bug jam right now, I just wanted to share info with the folks here :)
[22:27] <ZykoticK9> am i alone in feeling the new default wallpaper is a fail?
[22:27] <charlie-tca> too early to tell.
[22:28] <MarkDude> ZykoticK9, its not really good, but the art deadlines are not yet
[22:28] <BUGabundo> which one is it ?
[22:28] <ZykoticK9> MarkDude, well I hope that it's changed then ;)
[22:28]  * MarkDude also
[22:35] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: purple with orange dots
[22:36] <charlie-tca> Not the prettiest one I have seen, but if you like those colors ...
[22:47] <ZykoticK9> with the new Volume control have others lost the album art from Rhythmbox recently?
[22:50] <jfi> I have lost it even in rhythmbox since the upgrade to maverick
[22:51] <ZykoticK9> jfi, rhythmbox and even the ?popups have the album art - it's only missing from volume for me?  i don't see it as a bug for indicator-sound
[22:53] <jfi> popup?
[22:54] <ZykoticK9> jfi, the thing in the top right corner that appears?  sorry don't remember what they are called.
[22:54] <jfi> hum
[22:54] <jfi> I have just a panel in bottom left corner of rythmn with cover art which is always the default one for all my soungs
[22:55] <jfi> with lucid it works
[22:55] <jfi> maybe a configuration issue on my side, I have never search the reason
[23:05] <BUGabundo> what was that parameter to place on boot/installer, when screen went black ?
[23:05] <patdk-wk> after grub?
[23:06] <patdk-wk> there are two ways, depends on what did it, linux kernel option, nomodeset
[23:06] <patdk-wk> or grub command, set gfxmode=text
[23:06] <penguin42> those are separate things
[23:06] <penguin42> and the set gfxmode one has just gone away in the latest grub/kernel/something
[23:08] <BUGabundo> you know, all those users that couldn't boot the installer
[23:08] <BUGabundo> just got one, and I can't remmember how we did
[23:08] <BUGabundo> lucid was soooo long ago
[23:08] <penguin42> oh, the set gfxmode is a maverick alpha only thing
[23:08] <yofel> noapic? I can't really remember it either
[23:09] <penguin42> nomodeset as patdk-wk is always a good one; especially for Radeon HD5xxx series on Lucid
[23:09] <patdk-wk> oh, lucid, nomodeset
[23:10] <BUGabundo> no yofel, not that one
[23:10] <BUGabundo> ok,
[23:10] <BUGabundo> will try nomodeset
[23:10] <patdk-wk> it fixs the old intel video card thing
[23:10] <patdk-wk> atleast for my older servers :)
[23:24] <KruyKaze> How do i migrate my favorite PPA's from lucid to Mav?
[23:25] <jjcm> Hey bestest of friends,
[23:25] <KruyKaze> hey
[23:25] <jjcm> So just did an upgrade to 10.10a3,
[23:26] <jjcm> using nvidea drivers, which after reading online I've found that they fail if you bump up
[23:26] <KruyKaze> bump up?
[23:26] <jjcm> I take it a switch to nouveau will fix it, but we'
[23:27] <jjcm> ll see here in a sec
[23:27] <KruyKaze> I love nouveau
[23:27] <jjcm> KruyKaze: bump up to 10.10
[23:27] <ZykoticK9> jjcm, you need a 256 version kernel and to add a couple lines to xorg
[23:27] <KruyKaze> if you don't use 3D
[23:27] <ZykoticK9> jjcm, see bug 616023 for details
[23:28] <jjcm> ZykoticK9: Alreayd have it up :D
[23:28] <jjcm> Good to hear that I'm on the right track
[23:28] <jjcm> But first, lunch and I gotta figure out why my computer smells like burning plastic now
[23:29] <ZykoticK9> jjcm, sorry didn't mean "kernel" above but "driver"
[23:29] <jjcm> ZykoticK9: I figured
[23:29] <charlie-tca> hmm, last one I had smelled like burning plastic spit fire out the back to go with the smell
[23:30] <jjcm> charlie-tca: Bonus points for style.
[23:32] <KruyKaze> can any one tell me how to easily use my ppa's on a new ubuntu rellease?
[23:33] <charlie-tca> Maybe #launchpad would give more results on that?
[23:33] <KruyKaze> oh thanks
[23:49] <Shadowww> hi there. What section of xorg.conf I should add Option "IgnoreABI" "True" to? Device, ServerFlags or ServerLayout?
[23:50] <ali1234> serverflags
[23:50] <Shadowww> thanks ali1234 :)
[23:51] <jfi> Section "ServerFlags"
[23:51] <jfi>     Option         "IgnoreABI" "True"
[23:51] <jfi> EndSection
[23:51] <ali1234> too slow :)
[23:51] <jfi> ali1234, yes, but mine is complete! :-)
[23:51] <ali1234> well, he'll be back if it doesn't work :)
[23:52] <jfi> depends whether he has a text irc client:)
[23:54] <ali1234> i'm sure he can just back out the change


[01:12] <cozziemoto> ..
[01:13] <doctormo> hey cozziemoto
[01:20] <cozziemoto> doctormo,  hey guy :)
[12:28] <thorwil> http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2011/03/10/design-boost/
[12:39] <coz_> ciao dudes
[17:50] <mi-key> hi i am new to artwork, can anyone help?
[18:13] <evilvish> no mi-key, in 3 mins you cant help ;)
[18:13] <evilvish> nor can anyone help you ;p
[18:24] <thorwil> i disabled quits/joins. makes evilvish look evil, indeed, here :)
[18:24] <evilvish> \o/
[18:25] <coz_> :)
[20:01] <doctormo> thorwil: Are you going to be doing some code around design?
[20:01] <doctormo> I had a design/sharing concept involving svg and javascript.
[20:02] <thorwil> doctormo: yes, i have emacs open right now, playing with some erlang
[20:03] <doctormo> thorwil: I'm a python devel myself, don't know anything about erlang. Why this language rather than any other?
[20:04] <thorwil> doctormo: erlang has been designed for long running processes. it's code hot-swapping ability might come handy. nitrogen seems to be a nice little framework that makes ajax/comet very straightforward. it happens to be written in erlang
[20:05] <doctormo> Interesting


[12:05] <TLE> I don't think.. think that it makes any difference in the procedure that there is a patch along.
[12:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78370 in hal (main) "hal must allow the "locale=" option for ntfs filesystem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78370
[12:08] <TLE> Does anybody here know of some software which is good at keeping track of your bug work. I'm just looking for some small database like application, which can contain the bugnumber, a "look at it next time"-date and a description and log ??
[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78371 in gaim (main) "crash while expanded contact came online" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78371
[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78372 in acpi-support (main) "Dell Inspiron 9400: backlight off after resume from suspend" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78372
[12:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78373 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Thinkpad gets stuck booting feisty." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78373
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78374 in kde-guidance (main) "user password is not read every time you open an user, results in password overwritten" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78374
[12:30] <dsas> TLE: You could use a wiki page on wiki.ubuntu.com to do that
[12:31] <dsas> just make wiki.ubuntu.com/TLE/Bugs then do || bugnum || date || description ||
[12:31] <dsas> it'll display as a table.
[12:40] <TLE> dsas: thank you, that is an exiting idea
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78375 in gnome-mount (main) "[patch]  ntfs-fuse and ntfs-3g support for gnome-mount" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78375
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78376 in ubiquity (main) "Kubuntu Feisty daily-live Ubiquity Crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78376
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78303 in ion3 "Ion3 complains of missing fonts on login" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78303
[01:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78377 in Ubuntu "poor message about "the x keyboard settings differ from your current gnome keyboard settings"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78377
[01:29] <Elive_user9> hola
[01:29] <uje> hola
[01:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78378 in plucker (universe) "Python segfaults when running Plucker" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78378
[01:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78380 in Ubuntu "Fiesty Live CD crashes during Boot " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78380
[01:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78381 in Ubuntu "Regression of USB Mouse - Very slow if pc left on" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78381
[02:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78386 in Ubuntu "Madwifi doesn't work on Thinkpad T42p" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78386
[02:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78388 in dh-make (main) "GPG key comment is not used" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78388
[03:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78391 in eog (main) "eog seg faults in 2.6.20-5-generic opening a JPG" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78391
[03:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78390 in ubiquity (main) "kubuntu 6.10 installer crashed on grub-install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78390
[03:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78392 in ghex (universe) "/var/lib/scrollkeeper/(null)/scrollkeeper_cl.xml warning on pkg ghex" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78392
[04:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78393 in Ubuntu "reboot not successful on eMachines M5312 in 6.10 Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78393
[04:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78394 in Ubuntu "audio trouble caused by USB connected mouse at boot-time v6.10" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78394
[04:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69385 in gaim (main) "Crash when closing message window." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69385
[04:18] <Hobbsee> bug 78320
[04:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78320 in adept "Adept Updater crashes on update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78320
[04:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78396 in language-selector (main) "Language selector does not install pdf language support" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78396
[05:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78397 in compiz (universe) "Package 0.3.6" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78397
[05:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78399 in jack-audio-connection-kit (universe) "Please sync jack-audio-connection-kit from Debian experimental (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78399
[05:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78400 in xvidcap (multiverse) "Crashing xvidcap - cedega - Warcraft -window" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78400
[05:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78401 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu does not read system clock correctly." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78401
[05:53] <persia> Debdiff uploaded for bug#36001.  Please review and upload.
[05:54] <Admiral_Chicago> bug # 36001
[05:54] <Admiral_Chicago> where is the bot....
[05:54] <persia> Admiral_Chicago: Try https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/slashem/+bug/36001
[05:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36001 in slashem "slashem-gtk & slashem-sdl lack entries in menu" [Medium,Confirmed]
[05:55] <Admiral_Chicago> formatting..
[05:56] <Admiral_Chicago> ah I figure a MOTU will get on that soon
[05:57] <Hobbsee> persia: release is wrong :P
[05:57] <Hobbsee> apart from that, looks good
[05:58] <persia> Hobbsee: I've just put a fixed patch (s/unstable/feisty) up.  Sorry.
[05:58] <Hobbsee> woot :)
[05:59] <Hobbsee> persia: done :)
[05:59] <persia> Hobbsee: Thanks.
[06:00] <Admiral_Chicago> yea you need to realize Hobbsee is 1337 like that
[06:00] <Hobbsee> persia: dunno why you assigned it to MOTU
[06:00] <Hobbsee> s stuff before - or seen it when merging
[06:00] <Hobbsee> persia: when will you do the teg one?
[06:00] <persia> Hobbsee: I put a patch up for bug 78296 earlier today :)
[06:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78296 in teg "TEG does not appear in Gnome Menu" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78296
[06:00] <Hobbsee> woot :)
[06:01] <persia> Hobbsee: I still haven't figured out how to catch the orphaned server issue yet, but at least the icon is pretty again.
[06:01] <Hobbsee> persia: :)
[06:02] <Hobbsee> persia: youv'e sent these to debian, preusmably?
[06:02] <persia> Hobbsee: robitaille assigned 36001 to MOTU in April.  This was best practice then.
[06:03] <persia> Hobbsee: Actually, no.  I've been relying on the nice interface in packages.qa.debian.org to show debian my patches.  Perhaps I should file some bugs...
[06:04] <persia> Hobbsee: e.g. http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gaphor.html shows the patch for gaphor, which was adopted by debian, hence your bug to sync.
[06:04] <Hobbsee> persia: ah right.  however it's done best - you seem to be the expert on icons :)
[06:04] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[06:04] <persia> Hobbsee: No, just not very good at other things, and like to have a nice menu.
[06:05] <Hobbsee> well, we still need the icon/menu fixes :)
[06:05] <Hobbsee> and you appear to do all the patches right, so i dont have to go thru with a fine tooht comb for it :)
[06:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78402 in ekiga (main) "unknown crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78402
[06:06] <Hobbsee> persia: both accepted
[06:07] <persia> Hobbsee: If you're in an uploading mood, please also take a look at bug 33580 and bug 42622
[06:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 33580 in imgseek ".desktop file not included" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/33580
[06:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 42622 in drscheme "Missing .desktop file" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/42622
[06:07] <Hobbsee> they look familliar...
[06:07] <Hobbsee> persia: did you do them?
[06:08] <persia> Hobbsee: Yes.
[06:09] <persia> 42622 is actually an example of why I should start filing bugs with Debian
[06:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78403 in chicken (main) "Include packages for Chicken Scheme 2.5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78403
[06:15] <Hobbsee> persia: indeed
[06:16] <Hobbsee> aiee, drscheme is big
[06:20] <Hobbsee> persia: done x2
[06:21] <persia> Hobbsee: Thanks for all the uploads.
[06:21] <Hobbsee> persia: no problem :)  thanks for making the patches!  (and making them well :D)
[06:42] <persia> Patch uploaded to fix bug 36326
[06:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36326 in qsampler "should depend on linuxsampler" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/36326
[06:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78405 in apport (main) "trying to run apport-retrace -d <file> to get dbgsym packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78405
[06:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78406 in gnome-panel (main) "spontaneous crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78406
[06:56] <crimsun> persia: how would that help?
[06:57] <crimsun> 1) linuxsampler doesn't exist as a binary in 7.04
[06:57] <crimsun> 2) making linuxsampler a Recommends break the requirement that Recommends be satisfiable for installation
[06:57] <crimsun> breaks, even
[07:00] <persia> crimsun: Right.  Should the bug be rejected then, especially if linuxsampler is not to be included in 7.04?  Furthermore, should qsampler be included if linuxsampler is not?
[07:01] <crimsun> no, leave the bug for now
[07:02] <crimsun> I don't have enough info atm to reject it outright, but it looks like it should be rejected soon
[07:03] <persia> I'll just comment covering your notes above.
[07:06] <pwnguin> a quick scenario: about a month ago, someone submitted an ACPI laptop bug to launchpad that also affects my hardware. it was marked fix released over a week ago, but i'm still seeing problems with it
[07:08] <persia> pwnguin: Bugs are usually marked "Fix Released" once a fix has been released to the development repositories for Ubuntu.  You may expect that the bug will not affect you (or others) in the future, but it may not have been backported to current releases.  Which bug number?
[07:08] <pwnguin> 77026
[07:09] <pwnguin> hjmm
[07:10] <pwnguin> i should check my email more often
[07:11] <persia> pwnguin: Looking at the bug, it appears that the fix didn't work, and that the developers have been notified.  More information should be forthcoming.
[07:12] <pwnguin> yea, apparently the original submitter chimed during tonights zelda session
[07:12] <persia>  Patch uploaded for bug 57769
[07:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 57769 in gnumed-client "Doesn't have a .desktop file" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/57769
[08:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78407 in gnupg2 (main) "Too less strings in edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78407
[08:41] <dholbach> good morning
[09:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78409 in jabber (universe) "Jabber crash upon registration" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78409
[09:51] <cypher1> dholbach: hi!!!
[09:51] <cypher1> dholbach: happy new year!
[09:52] <dholbach> hey cypher1! to you too!
[10:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78412 in gtkpod-aac (multiverse) "Crash when deleting songs" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78412
[10:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78413 in gtk-theme-switch (universe) "gtk-theme-switch crashes on apply" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78413
[10:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69091 in fontconfig (main) "Fonts look blurry if ~/.fonts.conf (even empty one) is present" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69091
[10:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78416 in Ubuntu "Evolution crashes on exit - Ubuntu 6.06" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78416
[11:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78417 in Ubuntu "No way to suppress the password dialog after standby" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78417
[11:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78419 in Ubuntu "Symbol for network connection not created for all devices" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78419
[12:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78420 in nautilus-sendto (main) "nautilus-sendto crash on sending a file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78420
[12:22] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78425 in xserver-xgl (universe) "xgl-crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78425
[12:22] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78427 in gabber2 (universe) "grabber <IP_ADDRESS> crashes on read message" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78427
[12:23] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78421 in bash (main) "cannot enter any characters any more sometimes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78421
[12:23] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78422 in mysql-admin (universe) "MySql admin crashes when doing backups of large data sets" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78422
[12:23] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78423 in tetex-base (main) "Chapter title in page header broken for memoir class (upstream fix exists)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78423
[12:23] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78424 in pgadmin3 (universe) "crash on displaying system objects" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78424
[12:23] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78426 in mplayer (multiverse) "mplayer crash with "illegal instruction" on PPC" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78426
[12:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78429 in Ubuntu "Dell D600 immediately resumes when sent to standby mode in dock" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78429
[12:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78428 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox crashes editing tags of an mp3 file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78428
[12:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78430 in gnumeric (main) "Broken line in /usr/lib/mime/packages/gnumeric-gtk" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78430
[12:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78431 in rhythmbox (main) "Importing a cd in rhythmbox does not work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78431
[12:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78432 in beagle (main) "beagled has two instances in the Gnome Session" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78432
[12:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78433 in Ubuntu "random soft lockup with external usb harddisk" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78433
[01:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76560 in Ubuntu "please sync python-debian from debian/experimental" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76560
[01:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78435 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "temporary filenames should handle multiple extensions (.tar.gz)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78435
[02:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76461 in nsca (universe) "Problem with Default Config File" [Unknown,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76461
[02:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76408 in suphp (universe) "suphp 0.6.2 needed for apache 2.2" [Unknown,Unknown]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76408
[02:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #76483 in ipac-ng (universe) "Merge ipac-ng 1.31-3 from Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76483
[02:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78437 in ubiquity (main) "installer crashes in feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78437
[02:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78438 in openoffice "Can't enter "-rhoAcw" as text in a cell" [Unknown,Unknown]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78438
[02:47] <palski> how come?
[02:48] <Yawner> dont think its the HugDay today :)
[02:48] <Yawner> when is the next HugDay?
[02:48] <palski> oh, that's true =)
[02:49] <persia> Yawner: It's always HugDay!
[02:49] <Yawner> hehe
[02:49] <gnomefreak> mvo: when you get a spare few minutes. I commented on the smart sync bug #73882 that smart is no longer in debian NEW. i have smart RC from debain at this time but there are some things i have concerns about how it handles packages (maybe an upstream issues) but when you get time can you ping me
[02:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73882 in smart "Please sync from debian/incoming (overwrite ok)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73882
[02:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78439 in Ubuntu "ubuntu bug report" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78439
[02:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78440 in firefox (main) "Visit of a website crashes FF completely" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78440
[02:51] <gnomefreak> mvo: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html
[02:51] <Yawner> hehe
[02:51] <persia> OK, so maybe everyday isn't hug day after all :(
[02:52] <Yawner> oh well, im still fixing bugs today :)
[02:52] <gnomefreak> persia: mostly wednesdays are hug days
[03:04] <Past_Images> hi guys i wondered if any of you could help out with these two bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/78205
[03:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78205 in Ubuntu "major usb detection problems in feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[03:04] <Past_Images> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/77464
[03:04] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 77464 in udev "usb printer not detected to add printer" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[03:04] <Past_Images> i'm still waiting for fixes as i can't use my scanner!
[03:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78441 in epiphany-browser (main) "[Feisty]  Crash displaying pages in the Amazon Online Reader" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78441
[03:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78442 in hugs98 (universe) "hugs crashed " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78442
[03:13] <zul> not enough
[03:14] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78443 in kdesdk (main) "Kcachegrind: graphviz caller graph only partially drawn (no boxes)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78443
[03:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78444 in gnome-art (universe) "gnome-splashscreen-manager 0.2-3 Help > About "Close" button non-working" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78444
[03:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78446 in Ubuntu "Bad wording when "X system keyboard settings differ from your current GNOME keyboard settings"" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78446
[03:51] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: why so?
[03:51] <gnomefreak> too many
[03:51] <gnomefreak> im at about 100 emails every 2-3 hours
[03:51] <crimsun> I'm at 100 every 15 minutes.
[03:59] <marnanel> gnomefreak: due to spam? or legit email?
[04:00] <gnomefreak> legit
[04:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71760 in mozilla-firefox-locale-all (main) "mozilla-firefox-locale-lt should be returned back to main from universe" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71760
[04:00] <gnomefreak> thunderbird doesnt give me much spam at all i have to go to server to get that
[04:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78448 in xen-3.0 (universe) "Xen: default gateway lost" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78448
[04:10] <bddebian> Boo
[04:11] <ogra> bee
[04:11] <Hobbsee> BLING!!!
[04:11] <bddebian> :-)
[04:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78449 in xserver-xorg-driver-i810 (main) "Xorg+gdm goes into restart loop after crash caused by running some OpenGL applications" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78449
[04:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78450 in Ubuntu "applet crashes on login" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78450
[04:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78453 in cacti (universe) "cacti remote injection exploit" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78453
[04:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #73510 in cupsys (main) "Missing dependency for update-inetd" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73510
[04:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78455 in checkinstall (universe) "checkinstall aborts due to missing file or directory" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78455
[04:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78456 in Ubuntu "installer complains about 'no root fs' although it's selected" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78456
[04:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78457 in portmap (main) "[Feisty]  portmap missing after upgrade from Edgy?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78457
[05:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78460 in synaptic (main) "Synaptic seg fault" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78460
[05:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78461 in cowdancer (universe) "please sync cowdancer 0.25 from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78461
[05:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78462 in Ubuntu "Please sync libdbus-java from Debian Sid" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78462
[05:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78463 in xserver-xgl (universe) "Xgl not starting" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78463
[05:38] <dholbach> heno: at some stage we need to decide about the xml format that bughelper uses
[05:38] <heno> dholbach: for the info files you mean, right
[05:38] <dholbach> heno: once we have sorted that out we can start hacking on it and I'm sure once we have that platform other people will help out as well
[05:39] <dholbach> yep
[05:39] <dholbach> at the moment bughelper uses   .info.old   files (if you merged from my branch already)
[05:39] <heno> what is there to decide? I'm happy with your proposed layout
[05:39] <dholbach> oh ok
[05:39] <heno> yes, I noticed
[05:40] <dholbach> I don't think it covers all cases yet, but I think it's a good start
[05:40] <dholbach> for next release we should have some specs about it too
[05:43] <heno> It covers several ANDs and NOTs, which is already quite good. Is there any point in allowing nesting them
[05:44] <heno> The main problem might be sitting down and writing/updating the files
[05:44] <dholbach> yes
[05:44] <dholbach> ah ok, now i understand
[05:44] <dholbach> hmmmmm
[05:44] <dholbach> you don't have to nest, if you don't want
[05:44] <heno> There is probably a strong case for simplicity to start with
[05:44] <dholbach> the example i made up - is that simple enough?
[05:46] <heno> Yes, I would say so
[05:46] <dholbach> ok cool
[05:47] <dholbach> I'll try to write up something spec like, at least some ordered bullet points and take some of them, so we don't end up doing the same work twice
[05:47] <dholbach> once the xml format works roughly we can ask people to dump all their knowledge into the bughelper
[05:47] <dholbach> and write small tutorials to do that
[05:47] <dholbach> it will be SO good
[05:48] <heno> heh, yeah. Just need some users
[05:49] <dholbach> and I thought, I'd add a   -v   which shows general information about that package
[05:49] <heno> so are you planning on putting this in universe or something, so it can be apt-get installed?
[05:49] <dholbach> sure
[05:50] <heno> right
[05:50] <dholbach> i added a debian/ dir in one of the commits
[05:50] <heno> we should think about how people would share info files
[05:50] <heno> would they always be in ~/ or with the app?
[05:51] <dholbach> good question
[05:51] <heno> should they be stored centrally in the bzr repo
[05:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78467 in nicotine (universe) "Please add Lithuanian translation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78467
[05:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78468 in fontforge (main) "Fontforge loads .so files directly without version number" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78468
[05:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78469 in psi (universe) "Psi doesn't handle (yahoo) gateway connection intelligently enough" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78469
[05:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78470 in gdm (main) "switching to current logged in user freezes gdm" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78470
[05:51] <heno> using bh, step 1. grab the latest info tree
[05:51] <dholbach> maybe in the bzr repo and have some operation to get up-to-date
[05:51] <dholbach> or we have two separate branches and separate packages
[05:52] <dholbach> we could have daily checkouts+builds of the bughelper-data package
[05:52] <heno> yep, and allow people to have local files in ~/ to supplement/overide the default
[05:53] <dholbach> better to train people to update the -data branch every now and then - I think it's best to have it in a branch somewhere
[05:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78472 in mono (main) "mono crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78472
[05:57] <heno> dholbach: hm, but how do you even edit files locally? right in /usr/lib/whatever?
[05:58] <heno> I think a lot of people will use bh semi-interactively when hunting for bugs -- 'let's put this in and see what comes out'
[06:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78473 in gossip-telepathy (universe) "Gossip-telepathy crashes while connecting" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78473
[06:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78474 in gajim (universe) "Gajim doesn't handle (yahoo) gateway connections intelligently enough" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78474
[06:15] <gnomefreak> mvo_: is there something that would cause a malformed entry in sources.list when there isnt one?
[06:15] <mvo_> gnomefreak: the source.list editor in synaptic might cause one (that would be a bug in it of course)
[06:16] <gnomefreak> that sounds like a good chance since he used synaptic to set sources. but i gave him a new list that i know is good
[06:17] <mvo_> gnomefreak: what does the new list look like? in what way is it corrupted?
[06:17] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78475 in gdm (main) "gdmsetup doesn't open" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78475
[06:17] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78476 in libgd2 (main) "libgd2 project, new maintainership, new CVS, new issue tracker" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78476
[06:17] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78477 in Ubuntu "on kde logout all disk partition are umounted " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78477
[06:17] <gnomefreak> mvo_: its not corrupt i will show you it
[06:17] <chantra> hi, can anyone using feisty confirm this bug: https://launchpad.net/bugs/78470
[06:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78470 in gdm "switching to current logged in user freezes gdm" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]
[06:18] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/839/plain/   its says line 2 is malformed
[06:19] <chantra> gnomefreak: maybe some kind of special cahracter are messing the list up?
[06:20] <gnomefreak> chantra: im having him re paste it but he swears there isnt i had him check 3 times
[06:20] <chantra> opening with vi, is there any ^R or whatever characters?
[06:20] <mvo_> gnomefreak: strage, works for me (on edgy). maybe the misformated line is in a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d?
[06:20] <gnomefreak> ah
[06:21] <gnomefreak> can we safely sudo rm that?
[06:22] <chantra> gnomefreak: this settings works here as well
[06:23] <gnomefreak> chantra: works here as well thats what makes me wonder but hes pasting full list to me and its exactly the same
[06:24] <chantra> :s
[06:24] <chantra> I'm not sure weird character will be dispayed by pastebin :(
[06:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78478 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Package: linux-image-2.6.20-5-generic fails to install" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78478
[06:27] <kiko> hello there! is anyone in favor or against bug 2796?
[06:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 2796 in malone "Remove constraint on marking duplicates of duplicates" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/2796
[06:27] <kiko> we display the correct target to be duplicating against today
[06:27] <kiko> and having a single dupe target is a valuable thing
[06:29] <gnomefreak> im gonna have him email me the file if he can
[06:33] <chantra> yep, will be better I guess
[06:34] <persia> kiko: I'm in favour of 2796.  Sometimes it only becomes obvious two bus are the same after each has a few duplicates (especially shortly after a release (either real or snapshot)
[06:34] <seb128> kiko: how is it valuable?
[06:36] <gnomefreak> mvo_: you were right once again i had him mv /etc/apt/sources.list.d and it works so i think im gonna have him delete it see if it gets remade
[06:37] <kiko> persia, we already do the right thing and duplicate against the correct master when indicating a bug is a dupe of a dupe, though..
[06:38] <kiko> seb128, I think having dupes of dupes will only make duplicates less visible and for that reason less valuable
[06:38] <kiko> (and duplicates are already not very valuable as it is)
[06:39] <seb128> kiko: duplicates are noise anyway
[06:39] <seb128> we just want to get them out of the way
[06:40] <seb128> the only interesting part is the dup counter
[06:40] <seb128> and launchpad could do the maths without forcing to dup everything from the same bug no?
[06:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78479 in debtags (main) "[edgy]  debtags crash during search" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78479
[06:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78480 in libsexymm (universe) "[Sync Request]  Sync libsexymm (0.1.9-2) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78480
[06:41] <kiko> seb128, we do the maths already.
[06:41] <kiko> seb128, however, there is one situation where this isn't done
[06:41] <seb128> well, you force to dup from the same bug, there is no math to do
[06:41] <persia> kiko: My apologies.  I was not clear.  My hypothetical example is that 100 is opened (inapproprate behaviour in foo), followed by 105 (foo corrupts data), 110 is a duplicate of 100, and 115 a duplicate of 105.  A developer discovers that there is a pointer error that can either cause inappropriate behaviour or corruption, but is unable to solve it, and wants to merge 100 and 105 (and cannot).  On the other hand, I agree that t
[06:41] <kiko> no
[06:42] <seb128> I often find it anoying
[06:42] <kiko> seb128, you can visit a bug and dupe it against any other bug -- we just go and dupe it against the right place.
[06:42] <seb128> one reason is the one mentioned by persia
[06:42] <kiko> the only issue remaining is the one persia points out.
[06:42] <seb128> sometime I've to update like 10 bugs only to mark a duplicate
[06:42] <kiko> but I ask myself if we're not better off having a special way to handle that (more rare) case
[06:42] <kiko> rarer? what a horrible word
[06:43] <seb128> well, I don't get the value of forcing to dup from the same bug
[06:43] <persia> kiko: uncommon or less common
[06:43] <seb128> B and C are dup for A
[06:43] <seb128> come D
[06:43] <seb128> how does it mater than you dupe it from B, C or A?
[06:44] <kiko> seb128, it doesn't matter, and that's how launchpad works right now.
[06:44] <kiko> it used to be that we required you to dupe against A
[06:44] <seb128> ah ok
[06:44] <kiko> we now transparently do the maths for you.
[06:44] <persia> kiko: That's a nice improvement.  Thanks.
[06:44] <seb128> I've not noticed the new behaviour yet then
[06:44] <kiko> the only remaining issue is what persia was pointing out
[06:44] <seb128> so what is your question about? ;)
[06:44] <kiko> but I think that relaxing the constraint is not the answer to it.
[06:44] <seb128> well
[06:45] <kiko> seb128, whether we should relax the constraint and allow dupes of dupes
[06:45] <kiko> which would make the dupe counter either useless or much harder to calculate.
[06:45] <seb128> make launchpad update all the dups automatically
[06:45] <persia> kiko: I don't think dupes of dupes is useful: could LP do the math to merge the trees?
[06:45] <kiko> right
[06:45] <kiko> yes
[06:45] <kiko> it could.
[06:45] <dholbach> heno: you're right..
[06:45] <persia> kiko: I'd consider that a fine solution to the bug, in terms of easing workflow.
[06:45] <kiko> so if I dupe bug A which has dupes X, Y and Z to bug B, which has dupes V and W, we'd move X, Y and Z over.
[06:46] <kiko> thanks for your input persia.
[06:46] <seb128> kiko: yeah, updating X, Y, Z to reflect the change made to A looks fine
[06:46] <persia> kiko: Thanks for pointing out the bug: I'd never have seen it.
[06:47] <kiko> I only remembered it because matt revell typo'd in the #launchpad channel. :)
[06:47] <heno> dholbach: I guess you could manually symlink from /usr/lib/bh/whatever to ~/myinfofiles/ and sync that when you were ready
[06:48] <heno> that's probably how I'd do it, but it seems a bit hacky
[06:49] <dholbach> heno: yes... it'd be better to have some defined places we check, then the current directory, and so on - which in fact is what bh does atm already
[06:49] <dholbach> heno: we just need to think of some more cases
[06:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78481 in firefox (main) "firefax shuts down" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78481
[06:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78482 in openoffice "wmf file handling wrong" [Unknown,Unknown]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78482
[06:55] <gnomefreak> was the side pane removed from nautilus for some reason
[06:57] <marnanel> eh, it sounds like you are in... sorry, lost the word
[06:57] <marnanel> there's a mode that has it. like "place-ful"
[06:57] <marnanel> bah.
[06:57] <marnanel> spatial?
[06:58] <gnomefreak> not sure
[06:59] <gnomefreak> ah double click the edgy
[06:59] <gnomefreak> i guess i closed it by mistake
[07:05] <chantra> hi guys, after creating a new user, the tab completion is not working? is this normal behaviour?
[07:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78483 in xchm (universe) "The program crashes when I try to open CHM file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78483
[07:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78484 in gnome-btdownload (main) "Gnome BitTorrent closed unexpectedly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78484
[07:06] <chantra> the user is using /bin/sh (from /etc/password)
[07:07] <chantra> I know that /bin/sh moved from bash to dash, this is a pretty anoying behaviour though :s
[07:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78485 in gaim (main) "It Crashed Randomly (and annoyed me)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78485
[07:12] <zul> heh...
[07:17] <chantra> should bug 73502 being mark as duplicate of 74956 ?
[07:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73502 in gnome-btdownload "[Feisty]  gnome-btdownload broken" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73502
[07:18] <chantra> as the reason gnome-btdownload does not work is due to bug 74956
[07:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74956 in python-defaults "[Feisty]  Can't import python module" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74956
[07:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78487 in mail-notification (universe) "Notifies of "new" old mail when unread buffer is overrun" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78487
[07:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78488 in libmtp (main) "libtmp-sendtr crash when trying to manually send track" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78488
[07:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78486 in libapache-mod-auth-kerb (universe) "remote heap buffer overflow DoS/code exec" [Unknown,Unknown]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78486
[07:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78489 in openoffice.org (main) "ooo 2.1 splash screen says 2.0" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78489
[07:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78491 in network-manager (main) "network-manager insists on connecting to wireless network, even if wireless option is disabled" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78491
[07:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78490 in abuse-sdl (universe) "can't shoot to the left" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78490
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71814 in ubiquity (main) "installer keeps crashing on kubuntu 64 live cd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71814
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78492 in gaim (main) "Gaim crashed with no apparent reason (msn_switchboard_release)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78492
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78493 in gnome-system-tools (main) "setting static IP with network-admin makes GNOME startup slow" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78493
[07:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71736 in ubiquity (main) "Installer Crashed Kubuntu (dup-of: 52682)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71736
[08:00] <Lure> sfllaw: any suggestion on the last comment in bug 25673
[08:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 25673 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Keyboard and touchpad doesn't work after suspend-to-ram on a Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo M1420" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/25673
[08:01] <Lure> sfllaw: I think some kind of policy should be defined how to handle bugs that are fixed in latest release, but not in all supported releases
[08:02] <sfllaw> Lure: There's a general guideline.
[08:03] <Lure> sfllaw: I know about sru, but are we supposed to test with all supported releases?
[08:03] <sfllaw> Not if we're not uploading to all supported releases.
[08:03] <sfllaw> It seems very unlikely that we'd fix this particular issue in Dapper.
[08:04] <sfllaw> Especially since it runs a different kernel.
[08:04] <Lure> sfllaw: I think the problem is that most bugs are fixed in devel version, so backport has to be requested anyhow
[08:04] <Lure> so I do not think we should handle it any different if it is known that released version fixed the problem
[08:04] <sfllaw> Backporting the kernel would be interesting.
[08:05] <zul> icky..
[08:05] <sfllaw> But not something I think we can support.
[08:05] <sfllaw> Like zul said.
[08:05] <Lure> I think if anybody thinks it is important for other release (like LTS), they should "Nominate for Release"
[08:05] <Lure> sfllaw: true for kernel, but the same is true in general for any package.
[08:06] <Lure> ok, I will write nice response to this guy
[08:06] <sfllaw> Thanks.
[08:06] <zul> sfllaw: if it is something simple then we can probably rip the parts out and backport what is needed
[08:06] <sfllaw> That's what we've been doing with edgy-updates.
[08:06] <sfllaw> But dapper is pretty stable.  Unless there's a critical bug, it's unlikely we'll fix things there.
[08:07] <sfllaw> After all, people are building things on dapper and presume they'll stay the same.
[08:18] <Lure> sfllaw: done
[08:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78496 in mono (main) "Mono crashed while donwloading a .rar file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78496
[08:29] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78497 in doodle (universe) "doodled package can't be removed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78497
[08:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78500 in control-center (main) "gnome-control-center wipes out /home/user" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78500
[09:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78502 in Ubuntu "xubuntu no sound card vaio 505g" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78502
[09:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78504 in neverball (universe) "package version is too high" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78504
[09:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78506 in ubiquity (main) "installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78506
[09:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78507 in devede (multiverse) "version is outdated" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78507
[09:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78505 in Ubuntu "NTFS and FAT partitions mounted with executable bits" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78505
[10:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78508 in cryptsetup (universe) "lukfsformat doesn't use strongest cipher by default" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78508
[10:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78509 in ubiquity (main) "Install crash at the time of partitioning" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78509
[10:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78510 in firefox (main) "file dialog cuts filename " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78510
[10:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78511 in gnome-panel (main) "Gnome-panel flashing for kde apps on workspace change" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78511
[10:39] <davmor2> Quick query I had a bug in gossip-telepathy which bug-buddy duly noted but the bug was sent to bugzilla not malone is this correct behavior?
[10:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69443 in xmms-scrobbler (universe) "patch for scrobbling cd audio" [Unknown,Unknown]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69443
[10:50] <dsas> davmor2: bug-buddy does send things straight upstream yes.
[10:51] <dsas> davmor2: the desktop took that decision rather than using the apport-gtk program that is otherwise used in Ubuntu.
[10:55] <davmor2> dsas: Thanks for that is there anyway I can take the reports that are produced and drop them into apport-gtk also and then link the two reports?
[11:00] <dsas> davmor2: There is, first file a new bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gossip-telepathy/+filebug
[11:01] <dsas> then press "also affects upstream" and fill in the form to link them.
[11:02] <davmor2> dsas will that take the info from the upstream version then?
[11:02] <dsas> davmor2: Yes, it should prompt you for the upstream bug URL.
[11:02] <dsas> davmor2: You probably want to copy and paste the info from the upstream bug report directly into the new ubuntu bug though.
[11:04] <davmor2> dsas: superb thanks for the info.  Shall go off and do it immediately :)
[11:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78512 in Ubuntu "Core 2 Duo, on resume 2nd core frequency scaling reset" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78512
[11:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78513 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Current ACX driver will not let USR5410 card function properly." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78513
[11:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #78514 in hardinfo (universe) "Crash on trying to view kernel modules" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78514


[00:06] <Unit193> Heh, two perl modules I "use" are broken and need patches. :P
[00:07] <Unit193> Anyone tried Cinnamon in Raring?
[00:07] <jrgifford> nope, tried it in spherical cow though
[00:07] <jrgifford> cinnamon is interesting
[00:08] <Unit193> (It wouldn't be my thing, but description says Gnome2 like.)
[00:09] <jrgifford> i am more of a gnome-shell type of guy now.
[00:09] <jrgifford> the performance on my ATI card is amazing compared to unity
[00:14] <Unit193> Oh?
[00:15] <Unit193> So do you go the gnomebuntu style, install from mini, or go with default and change?  (Also the gnome dep on systemd going to be an issue?)
[00:17] <jrgifford> i need to learn rpm someday
[00:17] <jrgifford> so i moved my laptops over to fedora for a month or two
[00:18] <jrgifford> so far it's been about 2 weeks, and i've managed to learn everything, and might not move the ATI machine back.
[00:18] <jrgifford> at least until i see what raring does for old ATI card performance
[00:23] <Unit193> Yeah, I have an old intel, turns out mainline 3.7 doesn't like it much.  I'm not so fond of it, like to stick to Debian based.  I've only used a CentOS server as far as RPM, and it tends to be stale and missing some things.
[00:25] <jrgifford> it's been a fun learning experience
[04:06] <skellat> Burning Circle 101 is up with non-MP3 audio hosted at Archive.org: http://ohio.ubuntu-us.org/node/134
[07:53] <Derath-Srvr> :P
[07:59] <Derath-Srvr> hMMM... NEW PEOPLE IN HERE, GOOD TO SEE
[07:59] <Derath-Srvr> Err, sorry for caps...
[08:00] <Derath-Srvr> Hmm... looks like I have lost voice setting in here too... lol
[08:00] <Derath-Srvr> Ah well
[17:53] <Unit193> Derath-Srvr: Howdy!  (And +v Derath-Srvr by ChanServ)


[18:06] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:32] <olly> morning
[23:07] <mwhudson> is it?
[23:10] <ibeardslee> not now
[23:17] <olly> or not here


[13:01] <danilos> mmm, food :)
[13:01]  * danilos -> lunch
[13:22] <gary_poster> danilos, sounds like you are on a very short lunch break.  I started replying to your emails, but I think a call will be faster
[13:26] <danilos> gary_poster, sure thing
[13:26] <danilos> gary_poster, done now, so if you want a really short call :)
[13:26] <gary_poster> bac danilos gmb, kanban now-ish, call in 4, brief retrospective after that, call with danilo about branches after that, weekly call will danilo sometime after that :-)
[13:26] <danilos> heh
[13:27] <bac> ok
[13:27] <gary_poster> danilos, thanks but naah, should look at kanban
[13:27] <gmb> ok
[13:30] <danilos> gary_poster, thanks for adding the card, I was going to do that as well
[13:30] <gary_poster> cool np
[13:31] <gary_poster> bac, can you hear us?  we can't hearyou
[13:31] <bac> i'm on, unmuted and talking
[13:31] <bac> :(
[13:31] <bac> i can hear
[13:35] <danilos> gary_poster, ok, so the changes in personIsAlsoNotifiedSubscriber are actually from gmb's branch at https://code.launchpad.net/~gmb/launchpad/bug-772609/+merge/60176 (I guess revert messed us up)
[14:02] <danilos> gmb, heya, here's the tests that've done for your branch :) https://pastebin.canonical.com/47665/
[14:03] <gmb> danilos: Thanks. I like this setup where other people do work for me. :)
[14:03] <danilos> gmb, if you see them as useful, you know what to do (and I am sure you know even better what to do if you don't like them :)
[14:03] <danilos> gmb, heh, you have a tyrant personality, that's what it is :)
[14:03] <gmb> :)
[14:12] <danilos> gmb, fwiw, I am not sure about test_subscribers_from_dupes_includes_structural_subscribers for your branch though (actually, I believe it doesn't belong there)
[14:14] <gmb> danilos: Okay. Without looking at the test itself just yet, I agree (based purely on what I hope is a good test title :))
[14:14] <danilos> gmb, actually...
[14:15] <danilos> gmb, how about you try it out and see if it works :)
[14:15] <gmb> Heh.
[14:15] <gmb> Okay.
[14:15] <gmb> If I really have to.
[14:17] <gary_poster> danilos, I'm ready for our call whenever you are
[14:17] <danilos> gmb, I am getting thoroughly confused with these branches, so I find it best and easiest to check with a known-good slate :)
[14:17] <danilos> gary_poster, ready
[14:17] <gmb> danilos: Well, it passes :)
[14:18] <gary_poster> ship it!
[14:18] <gmb> Haha
[14:18] <danilos> gmb, then it's for you :)
[14:18] <gmb> Righto.
[14:25] <danilos> gary_poster, lp:~danilo/launchpad/bug-772763-edit-subscription
[14:30] <gmb> danilos, gary_poster: jml's lightning talk is here, by the way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cxs9OHIBcs#t=0h17m34s The cheers will please you immensely, I have no doubt.
[14:30] <gary_poster> cool, I look forward to it :-)
[14:49] <gary_poster> video was cool
[15:24] <gary_poster> danilos, ok, I've stared at the branch enough to have questions :-P .  Lemme know when you have a minute for them
[15:24] <gary_poster> Skype would probably be fastest if that is ok with you
[15:30] <danilos> gary_poster, ready now
[15:30] <danilos> except that skype is not running :)
[15:31] <gary_poster> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/610640/
[15:45] <bac> i mistyped and discovered http://launchpad.de
[15:45] <gary_poster> heh
[15:45] <gary_poster> I wonder what, if anything, will happen with Apple's "Launchpad" name
[16:20] <gary_poster> bac, when you have a moment, https://code.launchpad.net/~gary/launchpad/bug-772763-edit-subscription/+merge/61782 could use a review.  danilos <- that's your branch.  I'm going to go for a walk, then I'll start into bug 772754
[16:20] <_mup_> Bug #772754: After better-bug-notification changes, list of bug subscribers is confusing <story-better-bug-notification> <Launchpad itself:In Progress by gary> < https://launchpad.net/bugs/772754 >
[16:20] <danilos> gary_poster, cool
[16:20] <danilos> gary_poster, I'll be leaving in 10, so I'll leave a message here if I don't get to the phase of ec2 landing stuff (all in review)
[16:21] <gary_poster> danilos, sounds good.  ttyl
[16:32] <danilos> gary_poster, part1 (server-side stuff) in ec2 land, JS still in review (https://code.launchpad.net/~danilo/launchpad/bug-772763-remove-unmute-dialog/+merge/61780)
[17:28] <bac> hi gary_poster, danilos
[17:29] <bac> i'm exercising the unmute branch and when i unmute, the person's name is added to the subscribers list but 'No subscribers' is not removed
[17:37] <bac> gary_poster, danilos: i like the way you two are submitting each other's work.  is that collaboration or just an attempt to confuse me?  :)
[17:50] <gary_poster> bac, it's mostly about confusing you, of course
[17:50] <gary_poster> which unmute branch, bac?  They are all unmute
[17:50] <gary_poster> maybe the JS one?  I don't remember dealing with that issue
[17:52] <bac> gary_poster: i was referring to the one danilo submitted
[17:52] <gary_poster> bac, ok cool, that's the JS one.  Lemme look.
[17:52] <bac> namely https://code.launchpad.net/~danilo/launchpad/bug-772763-remove-unmute-dialog/+merge/61780
[17:52] <gary_poster> right
[17:53] <gary_poster> bac, I agree.  It may have to be another branch though :-/
[17:54] <gary_poster> since I can't merge into danilo's
[17:54] <bac> ah, right.  so you want to land it as is and then tackle a fix?
[17:55] <bac> or spin up a new branch and new MP?
[17:56] <gary_poster> bac, actually, how about this--yeah the second one.  I'll make a branch dependent on this one, so you (or whomever) only have to look at the fix, and you can approve danilo's branch conditionally on the fix branch being the one that actually lands, maybe?
[17:56] <gary_poster> So IOW, I don't land danilo's branch
[17:57] <gary_poster> but we use the review as an incremental stepping stone to the one that I do land
[18:04] <bac> gary_poster: a-ok
[18:04] <gary_poster> cool thanks
[18:35] <gary_poster> bac: https://code.launchpad.net/~gary/launchpad/bug-772763-remove-unmute-dialog/+merge/61806 has the very small additional change needed.
[18:35] <bac> ok
[18:35] <bac> gary_poster: i'm on https://code.launchpad.net/~gary/launchpad/bug-772763-edit-subscription/+merge/61782 atm
[18:36] <gary_poster> cool, thanks bac
[18:43] <bac> gary_poster: this looks funny.  must it be written like this?
[18:43] <bac> if not self_subscribed and not(is_really_muted):
[18:43] <gary_poster> heh, dunno, lemme look
[18:45] <gary_poster> bac, I assume you would prefer "if not self_subscribed and not is_really_muted:" ?
[18:46] <bac> yeah, having the not() look like a fcn call hurts my head
[18:46] <gary_poster> agreed, happy to change it bac
[18:46] <bac> okey doke.  nothing else looks awry
[18:46] <gary_poster> cool, thank you
[18:46] <bac> a passive aggressive path to r=bac
[18:46] <gary_poster> heh
[19:15] <gary_poster> bac, I'd like a pre-imp call about https://launchpadlibrarian.net/71552495/all-in-one.png--in particular, how we use links objects in portlets and...if they can do what I want them to, and if they should be challenged as the "proper way" to do things.  Are you completely swamped, or could you carve out 15 minutes soon?  I'd be happy to time-box it.
[19:15] <gary_poster> I think you would be a good choice because you have experience with these portlet things, and you might have background from Curtis.
[19:16] <bac> gary_poster: give me a bit.  say at :30?
[19:17] <gary_poster> bac, sounds good, thanks
[19:19] <bac> gary_poster: i don't understand the fix to https://code.launchpad.net/~gary/launchpad/bug-772763-remove-unmute-dialog/+merge/61806
[19:19] <bac> i've verified it works
[19:19] <bac> i just don't get it
[19:23] <gary_poster> bac, we already had a function to add a name to the list, and had logic to remove the "no subscribers" node.  However, for some reason the function felt that this was unnecssary when you were subscribing the current user.   I have no idea why.  I would suspect that, prior to my change, "no subscribers" would have been left around when you subscribed yourself, in addition to unmuting yourself.  I did not verify this
[19:23] <bac> so the anim run just makes it happen?
[19:24] <gary_poster> My change simply says "we are adding a user, so in *all* cases, let's make sure that 'no subscribers' is gone"
[19:24] <gary_poster> oh, no
[19:24] <gary_poster> The anim is just an extra bit of polish
[19:24] <gary_poster> We don't have to have it
[19:24] <bac> oh, i see, you moved it out of the conditional
[19:24] <bac> i missed that part
[19:24] <gary_poster> yeah
[19:24]  * bac feels better
[19:24] <gary_poster> :-)
[19:25] <gary_poster> sorry for not making the change clearer
[19:25] <gary_poster> (The anim just adds the green flash on the link)
[19:34] <bac> gary_poster skype?
[19:34] <gary_poster> yeah thanks
[20:51] <bac> gary_poster: did you see francis marked the accessibility bug critical?
[20:51] <gary_poster> bac, yeah, and he told me he would.  We can address it as part of our normal bug rotation duties
[20:52] <bac> gary_poster: ok
[22:12] <gary_poster> bye.  have a great weekend


[00:21] <Unit193> bluesabre: Uploaded new vte to PPA.
[00:38] <bluesabre> ali1234, dunno, had to turn to it since the current deb package depends on an old curl
[00:38] <bluesabre> Unit193: thanks!
[00:54] <ali1234> you'd know if it was classic mode because you'd have to accept that when installing it
[02:04] <bluesabre> sudo snap install spotify
[02:04] <bluesabre> spotify <IP_ADDRESS>.g6bd7cc73-35 from 'spotify' installed
[02:04] <Unit193> Isn't there an info command or somesuch?
[02:07] <bluesabre> nothing mentioned about classic or confinement
[02:14] <bluesabre> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/menulibre/2.2.0-1
[02:16] <bluesabre> next up, adding the bionic layout to xfpanel-switch and calling out for translations :)
[02:16] <bluesabre> (tomorrow)
[04:03] <pleia2> knome: gah, there are like 5022 wallpapers to vote on!
[04:03] <pleia2> "I'll just do this real quick before dinner" /o\
[05:43] <flocculant> thought it was close to 5023 to vote on :p
[07:30] <knome> pleia2, sorry!
[08:13] <ochosi> ali1234: yeah, i think i merged too many icons there from upstream, need to revert the window manager related icons
[08:14] <ochosi> with >900 icons updated it was easy to overlook (especially as greybird doesn't use those icons anymore now and has its wm icons packaged so it also looks consistent with other icon themes)
[08:18] <ochosi> it's only 3 icons or so, i'll revert those and push them
[08:18] <ochosi> please test if it's more than minimize and maximize
[08:21] <ochosi> ali1234: ok pushed to git
[10:02] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [bionic] r336 Close LP: #1756054 (by Sean Davis)
[11:11] <Unit193> bluesabre: Where's the fixed terminal? :3
[11:11] <bluesabre> Unit193: hiding under the couch maybe?
[11:12] <Unit193> Crap, OK..
[11:12] <bluesabre> :D
[11:12] <bluesabre> Unit193: wasn't in a hurry to patch it
[11:12] <Unit193> Seemed like you were. :>
[11:13] <ochosi> hey guys
[11:13] <Unit193> Anywho, g'morning.
[11:13] <ochosi> feel free to test the icon patch i pushed to git (those of you who care to reproduce)
[11:13] <ochosi> that would be a bugfix anyway and not subject to UIF
[11:13] <Unit193> ..I could sooo make a bad joke here.
[11:14] <bluesabre> Unit193: btw, saw a vte update in today's manifest, https://wiki.bluesabre.org/bionic_changes?do=diff&rev2%5B0%5D=1521716290&rev2%5B1%5D=1521797096&difftype=sidebyside
[11:14] <Unit193> Yep.
[11:14] <bluesabre> Unit193: as for the terminal, I dropped in guake so wasn't super bothered in the short term
[11:16] <Unit193> And I saw that xserver-xorg-video-ati landed too, can drop my own version. \o/
[11:17] <Unit193> bluesabre: I kind of like this, I should sub to it maybe or at least look more. >_>
[11:17] <Unit193> Feel free to link it any time.
[11:19] <bluesabre> Unit193: yeah, need to automate it, but it's pretty handy for daily comparison
[11:20] <Unit193> Ah, thought it was automated.
[11:20] <bluesabre> I have a script that generates the manifest listing
[11:20] <bluesabre> paste it into dokuwiki and get a diff
[11:20] <bluesabre> so, mostly automated
[11:22] <Unit193> tumbler 0.2.0-2 uploaded by Yves-Alexis Perez (corsac)
[11:23] <bluesabre> Unit193: it's ugly but functional, https://gist.github.com/bluesabre/6567eca05e3c8c121286cc4fcbfe5762 :)
[11:23] <Unit193> First thing I noticed is that you should use distro-info.
[11:24] <bluesabre> probably
[11:27] <Unit193> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/dokuwiki/1.1.0 ? :3
[11:27] <Unit193> bluesabre: Thanks for the link.
[11:27] <bluesabre> Unit193: that looks handy
[11:28] <Unit193> Hoped it would. :)
[11:28] <bluesabre> maybe I'll fix it up the next time I'm bored or tired of not being fully automated :D
[11:29] <ochosi> bbl (if you need anything bionic from me lemme know)
[13:51] <flocculant> ochosi: ftr icon looks fine now
[14:01] <flocculant> bluesabre: that gist looks useful - might play about with that - I tend to be wanting to see differences between current dev and 'some previous one'
[14:38] <ochosi> flocculant: kewl, then maybe bluesabre can pull it into xubuntu-artwork
[14:47] <amerigena> join #xubuntu
[14:51] <flocculant> ochosi: np
[21:44] <ochosi> just fixed the gtk2 regression in the latest greybird \o/
[21:58] <bluesabre> ochosi: hooray!
[22:00] <ochosi> maybe i'll also look into fixing checkboxes and radios in menus
[22:00] <ochosi> even though those don't look bad really
[22:03] <ochosi> actually not that easy to find good gtk2 apps for testing these days :p
[22:03] <bluesabre> not an awful problem to have
[22:04] <ochosi> yeah
[22:04] <ochosi> quite happy with the new checkboxes and radios in gtk2
[22:04] <ochosi> didn't think i'd touch that part of the theme ever again
[22:06] <bluesabre> don't suppose you could share a screenshot so I don't have to find a gtk2 app?
[22:07] <ochosi> heh
[22:07] <ochosi> you wanna see the regression or the updated checkboxes?
[22:08] <ochosi> http://i.imgur.com/7hincQn.png
[22:08] <bluesabre> I guess the update so I know what I'm uploading in a few hours :)
[22:08] <ochosi> ah
[22:08] <ochosi> right
[22:08] <ochosi> this is the regression: https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/5833446/37819411-ab8c2490-2e7d-11e8-9e10-b87cf8654676.png
[22:08] <ochosi> you see it in the gtk2 version of whisker here
[22:09] <bluesabre> ouch
[22:10] <ochosi> before: http://i.imgur.com/yu46jUu.png
[22:10] <ochosi> after: http://i.imgur.com/W9BymwS.png
[22:11] <ochosi> tbh i new about this bug, but didn't have time to fix it before UIF
[22:11] <ochosi> so i decided to release 3.22.7 anyway and push this as bugfix
[22:11] <ochosi> having the new checkboxes in was simply more important
[22:11] <bluesabre> certainly
[22:12] <bluesabre> gotta run, bbl
[22:12] <ochosi> one more thing i could imagine doing for 18.04 is hidpi support for window decorations
[22:12] <ochosi> both gtk3 and xfwm4
[22:12] <ochosi> ah right, sure
[22:12] <ochosi> hf
[22:36] -SwissBot:#xubuntu-devel- ::xubuntu-artwork:: [greybird] r549 Fix Gtk2 radiobuttons (Issue #219)... (by Simon Steinbeiß)