[10:18] <el_isma> bash didn't like the &&
[10:18] <Ademan> what's the folder that you put commands in? (like /bin or /usr/bin except its in your home folder)
[10:18] <{K}Lubby> el isma, then it says resource temporarily unavailable
[10:19] <sanmarcos> {K}Lubby, fconfig eth0 down && ifconfig eth0 up
[10:19] <sanmarcos> {K}Lubby, check it with ifconfig, it should be up and running with your network properties
[10:19] <sanmarcos> try to ping the windows machine
[10:19] <el_isma> dell500 now, that's weird...
[10:20] <feet> alright, i added the module with modprobe. i added it to /etc/modules too.  what now ? lol
[10:20] <el_isma> dell500 try using ext2, just to test
[10:20] <{K}Lubby> san, i pinged it, it says connect: network is unreachable
[10:20] <el_isma> dell500 I want to know if that gives an error
[10:20] <sanmarcos> {K}Lubby, is it up, check ifconfig
[10:20] <dongpo> hi
[10:21] <{K}Lubby> type in ifconfig and then check what?
[10:21] <el_isma> Lubby : if eth0 is there
[10:21] <dell500> el_isma, hold on
[10:21] <{K}Lubby> el isma, nope i dont think so :\
[10:21] <sanmarcos> {K}Lubby, can you paste your /etc/network/interfaces in pastebin?
[10:22] <dell500> el_isma, this is the error Error: Could not detect file system.
[10:22] <{K}Lubby> yeah, pastebin.com?
[10:22] <wookie> hi, just installed ubuntu on the laptop, happyness so far. how can i tell what version i have. also is their a root account like debian that i can log into or is that the point , there is nonoe and it is all sudo
[10:22] <dell500> says that for fat32 and ext3
[10:22] <{K}Lubby> oh, .ca
[10:22] <el_isma> dell500 could you show me a screenshot? I've never seen that error before
[10:23] <feet> version of kernel or ubuntu, wookie?
[10:23] <wookie> feet, ubuntu
[10:23] <sanmarcos> !root > wookie
[10:23] <sanmarcos> wookie, cat /etc/issue should tell you the version
[10:24] <dell500> el_isma, press print screen then what?
[10:24] <redblades> Hi, is there an official OO.o channel?
[10:24] <Tux> can some one help me install sauerbraten?
[10:24] <sanmarcos> redblades, #openoffice /list before you ask
[10:24] <redblades> #openoffice has 4 people in it...
[10:24] <Tux> can some one help me install sauerbraten?
[10:25] <el_isma> dell500 http://imageshack.us/
[10:25] <wookie> sanmarcos, thanks. 6.06 - what is the name for that dist?
[10:25] <sanmarcos> dapper drake
[10:25] <feet> the most recent release is dapper drake :-) youve got the right one ^_^
[10:25] <dell500> el_isma, where does it save the file?
[10:26] <sanmarcos> ubuntu doesnt have an equivalent of /etc/debian_version ?
[10:26] <el_isma> dell500 nevermind, I found something in google
[10:26] <el_isma> dell500 try creating a small partition, 10Gb Fat32
[10:27] <feet> be right back
[10:27] <wookie> i cant seem to get into the root account. ie by typing su. i dont have the password. is there a root accounton ubuntu?
[10:27] <dell500> el_isma, same thing
[10:28] <el_isma> wookie no, there's no root. use "sudo"
[10:28] <Lattyware> wookie: sudo
[10:28] <Madpilot> ubotu, tell wookie about sudo
[10:28] <el_isma> wookie: I think you can "get" to root by "sudo su"
[10:28] <{K}Lubby> hey sanmarcos, here's the link to my /etc/network/interfaces file http://pastebin.ca/126247
[10:28] <wookie> el_isma, thanks
[10:28] <Lattyware> sudo <command> [enter]  <password> [enter]
[10:28] <wookie> i thought that maybe the case
[10:28] <sanmarcos> {K}Lubby, that should work. You sure eth0 is your network card that is connected to the WXP box?
[10:28] <el_isma> dell500 did you delete the old partition? and made the new one primary? and left the rest without any partition?
[10:29] <dell500> yup
[10:29] <{K}Lubby> sanmarcos... im pretty sure, at least i thought it was, how do i check to make sure?
[10:29] <sanmarcos> {K}Lubby, dmesg|grep eth0 should say. If it is, then sudo -i, then ifconfig eth0 down, after that, ifconfig eth0 up. It should be set up
[10:30] <{K}Lubby> what should it say?
[10:30] <wookie> when i installed my wireless card it came up as eth1, can i change it to wlan0? or should i not play with something that works?
[10:31] <el_isma> dell500 Well... From what I've seen in google, the problem seems to be with large harddisks...
[10:31] <Tigerx> eah yeah yeah
[10:31] <el_isma> wookie I wouldn't touch it :P
[10:31] <Tigerx> si coem no!
[10:32] <Tigerx> come+
[10:32] <{K}Lubby> san, it says "[17179598.464000]  e100: eth0: e100_probe: addr 0x40100000, irq 11, MAc addr: 00:A:0:C9:24:D8:38"
[10:32] <el_isma> !pastebin > el_isma
[10:32] <{K}Lubby> san, is that good?
[10:33] <dell500> el_isma, so what shall i do? :(
[10:33] <Tigerx> ma fatela finita
[10:33] <sanmarcos> {K}Lubby, well it should say your network card's manufracterer. Do you have only one network card?
[10:33] <Ademan>  isnt there a directory within your user's home directory where you can put commands that only you can use? (like the user specific equivalent of /bin or /usr/bin) ?
[10:33] <el_isma> dell500 try these steps, changing, of course, the appropiate drive letters/sizes http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20266
[10:33] <Tigerx> jsfhjdjghjkdflghdfjklghgjklhsdfhsgjklsh
[10:33] <redblades> What does LTS mean?
[10:33] <{K}Lubby> sanmarcos, yeah only one plugged into it
[10:33] <sanmarcos> redblades, long term service
[10:33] <el_isma> redblades Long Term Support
[10:33] <Lattyware> lol
[10:33] <redblades> Oh, the 5 year thing?
[10:33] <el_isma> service? support?
[10:33] <sanmarcos> {K}Lubby, yeah then it should be it, try the ifconfig lines
[10:34] <el_isma> yup
[10:34] <{K}Lubby> and i did the sudo -i, ifconfig eth0 down
[10:34] <{K}Lubby> and then ifconfig eth0 up, but it says resource temporarily unavailable
[10:34] <redblades> Cool. I saw it a few times when I was being super cool and not using X.
[10:34] <Tigerx> ma cosa state dicendo? parlate italiano
[10:34] <el_isma> behave yourself, Tigerx
[10:34] <Tigerx> cosa?
[10:35] <Lattyware> How can I start somthing at boot as root?
[10:35] <{K}Lubby> sanmarcos, when i did the ifconfig eth0 up, it said resource temporarily unavailable
[10:35] <Lattyware> XAMPP to be exact.
[10:36] <noiesmo> Lattyware, put it in rc.local
[10:36] <sanmarcos> {K}Lubby, yes. It is an issue with your network card driver
[10:36] <{K}Lubby> okay
[10:36] <Tigerx> ahahahahah
[10:36] <sanmarcos> {K}Lubby, I couldnt think fo something else
[10:36] <Lattyware> thanks
[10:36] <Tigerx> uhuhuhuhuhuhu
[10:36] <{K}Lubby> should i try a difference ethernet card?
[10:36] <mwe> heh. From 'man fdisk': "fdisk is a buggy program that does fuzzy things"
[10:36] <sanmarcos> {K}Lubby, did it work any time before?
[10:36] <{K}Lubby> san, yeah it worked when it was running windows xp
[10:36] <el_isma> mwe lol
[10:36] <Tigerx> yes the different is a much of the game
[10:37] <mwe> el_isma: under BUGS near the end
[10:37] <{K}Lubby> but now its running ubuntu, so it's using different driver im sure (i didn't install any, i just plugged it in)... so it could be a driver problem
[10:37] <sanmarcos> {K}Lubby, what card is it?
[10:37] <{K}Lubby> it's an intel something or other i think
[10:37] <{K}Lubby> actually i have no clue
[10:37] <Tigerx> viva apple!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:38] <el_isma> mwe quite funny :)
[10:38] <mwe> el_isma: yeah ;)
[10:38] <{K}Lubby> but i do have another ehternet card in my hand (its a netgear one)... should i turn off the ubuntu, take the old card out, but this netgear one in?
[10:38] <Tigerx> yeah yah?
[10:39] <{K}Lubby> their both relatively old, but i think the netgear one is newer/nicer
[10:39] <sanmarcos> {K}Lubby, try, also, checkout lspci, it should tell you the make and model
[10:39] <Tigerx> quanto mi piaceeeeeeeeeee la appleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[10:39] <mwe> Tigerx: stop being lame please
[10:39] <Tigerx> i'm not lamer :@
[10:39] <{K}Lubby> san, its an intel corporation one
[10:39] <mwe> Tigerx: then don't act lame
[10:39] <{K}Lubby> but lemme turn it off and put the new one in
[10:40] <Tigerx> @mwe you is lamer
[10:40] <{K}Lubby> san, should i leave the old one in when i put the new one in?
[10:40] <Madpilot> Tigerx, stop being immature. Last warning.
[10:40] <Tigerx> tantaaaaaaa forzaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa romaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[10:40] <Lattyware> heh
[10:40] <sanmarcos> {K}Lubby, you could, it makes no difference
[10:40] <lowenduser> what's the command for changing rights on a folder? I want my user to be able to tinker with the /var/ folder, but how?
[10:40] <Lattyware> Classy
[10:40] <lucas> hi
[10:41] <Lattyware> chmod
[10:41] <{K}Lubby> ill take it out to avoid confusion
[10:41] <Madpilot> lowenduser, chmod
[10:41] <lowenduser> okay, I'll just 'man' it!
[10:41] <Madpilot> Lattyware, the sort of 'classiness' I just kicked, we can do without ;)
[10:42] <lucas> Small poll: To get the newest software, should I use : (A) Debian testing /// (B) Ubuntu's latest release (dapper currently) /// (no other answer is possible, on purpose)
[10:42] <Lattyware> Madpilot: No, I was saying your kick was classy.
[10:42] <el_isma> Indeed :)
[10:42] <Madpilot> Lattyware, I try. ;) The nice op script helps.
[10:43] <Lattyware> heh
[10:43] <{K}Lubby> okay there got the new card in, turning it back on
[10:43] <Tigerx> ahahahah
[10:43] <el_isma> lucas debian unstable is even newer than testing... I guess that Ubuntu has newer stuff than testing... but I'm just guessing
[10:43] <mwe> oh no he's back
[10:43] <el_isma> c'mon tigerx...
[10:44] <Madpilot> Tigerx, behave, or the next time it'll be a 48hr ban. Clear?
[10:44] <Tigerx> oooh yes yes,
[10:44] <mwe> lol
[10:44] <sanmarcos> el_isma, ubuntu just pull stuff from unstable
[10:44] <Tigerx> rotfl
[10:45] <el_isma> sanmarcos his options were testing and ubuntu... feels like a small quiz XD
[10:46] <sanmarcos> with debian youll learn much more about gnu/linux, but youll have a less easy experience
[10:46] <sanmarcos> with less bling
[10:46] <el_isma> sanmarcos: I don't think that's true anymore
[10:46] <el_isma> sanmarcos: From what I've heard, debian testing/unstable has been catching up to ubuntu and friends
[10:46] <hyperstream> ahh
[10:46] <hyperstream> ive learnt more from ubuntu
[10:47] <hyperstream> than debian unstable.
[10:47] <sanmarcos> they just share 90% of the packages
[10:47] <{K}Lubby> o.O now pinging my xp is working PMG
[10:47] <hyperstream> and i  was using debian unstable for about a year and a half
[10:47] <sanmarcos> ubuntu is just more polished in their installer, init sequence, and shit like that
[10:47] <hyperstream> before going to ubuntu
[10:47] <hyperstream> you mean
[10:47] <hyperstream> more developed?
[10:47] <sanmarcos> {K}Lubby, the network card was fscked then, it didnt work right under your setup
[10:47] <{K}Lubby> yeah san
[10:47] <{K}Lubby> internet works now :D
[10:47] <sanmarcos> {K}Lubby, it worked out of the box? you should be able to browse now.
[10:47] <mwe> hyperstream: but you don't get to spend hours in the console trying to fix broken packages in ubuntu. how can you learn more from that
[10:48] <el_isma> mwe, lol
[10:48] <{K}Lubby> i can't believe... that i spent about 6 hours.... CAUSE OF A STUPID NETWORK CARD
[10:48] <sanmarcos> {K}Lubby, normally youd have to set your dns, but if it works, well its great
[10:48] <{K}Lubby> sanmarcos, the reason why i dont have to set it is cause i set it in the interfaces file, remember?
[10:48] <el_isma> mwe, sadly... A friend of mine broke his kubuntu (x server)... no clue how to fix it (now, he reinstalled...)
[10:48] <bioticpro> I have a friend with an install of breezy that wants to upgrade to dapper, they are on dialup interent, how can I send them a cd with updates that they can use as a local repo?
[10:48] <sanmarcos> mwe, you learn how to fix packages, how the system works
[10:48] <sanmarcos> {K}Lubby, yeah, but the dns are set elsewhere
[10:48] <{K}Lubby> oh
[10:48] <Lattyware> {K}Lubby: I had a freind who spent 30 hours over two days trying to get his wireless netowrk card working. He had disabled it.
[10:48] <sanmarcos> {K}Lubby, anyways if it works, no prob, try ping www.yahoo.com
[10:48] <lowenduser> where do I go to get an explanation for this mumbo-jumbo :)? : [ugoa] *([-+=] ([rwxXst] *|[ugo] ))+
[10:48] <lowenduser> just an example?
[10:48] <{K}Lubby> ROFL
[10:49] <mwe> sanmarcos: fixing broken packages doesn't teach me anything about gnu/linux
[10:49] <{K}Lubby> san, im sure it works, cause im browsing internet on it :P
[10:49] <el_isma> bioticpro I think the alternate ubuntu cd let's you do that. I'm not sure, though
[10:49] <lowenduser> it appears to be the parameters for chmod
[10:49] <sanmarcos> lowenduser, where did you get that, I woudld say regexp, but with all those shit characters..
[10:49] <{K}Lubby> and it's pinging yahoo.com
[10:49] <lowenduser> I did a 'man chmod'
[10:49] <hyperstream> mwe,  because you can observe whats different.
[10:49] <micahcowan> regex, definitely.
[10:49] <hyperstream> and not waste time with BROKEN packages
[10:49] <sanmarcos> mwe, right, debian is less automated than ubuntu, and the community isnt as newbie oriented
[10:49] <hyperstream> and get on with what your trying to accomplish .
[10:49] <sanmarcos> hyperstream, thats what you get for using unstasble
[10:49] <{K}Lubby> *insert victory jig here*
[10:49] <sanmarcos> unstable = broken
[10:50] <sanmarcos> once upon a time grep broke, and the system would not boot.. not pretty
[10:50] <hyperstream> sanmarcos, unstable != broken. it = unstable
[10:50] <mwe> sanmarcos: debian is great. I'd choose debian stable for a server anytime
[10:50] <hyperstream> it being unstable.
[10:50] <sanmarcos> lowenduser, man chmod, seriously
[10:50] <micahcowan> lowenduser, crappy manpage. It's meant for people who can read regexes.
[10:50] <Lattyware> Out of all of the distros I have tried Ubuntu struck me as best.
[10:51] <Lattyware> I guess I wouldn't be using it if I thought otherwise :P
[10:51] <sanmarcos> Lattyware, they made it newbie friendly. They just polished debian
[10:51] <lowenduser> it can't be all that difficult, should be able to understand
[10:51] <el_isma> micahcowan, that was a regexp? It looked more bashy to me
[10:51] <{K}Lubby> san, where is the list of all the stuff that i can install on ubuntu?
[10:51] <micahcowan> as a path expr it wouldn't make sense. As a regex, it matches actual possible arguments.
[10:52] <Lattyware> sanmarcos: Yeah, I'm glad for it, I'm an old hand and can do/fix pretty much anything under Windows, because of that, it was harder to switch to Linux.
[10:52] <Lattyware> Stupid windows-based upbringing...
[10:52] <el_isma> {K}Lubby: synaptic/adept/aptitude
[10:52] <micahcowan> the man page also has a broken link to the info page, which ought to be "info coreutils chmod", not "info chmod". I'll file a bug...
[10:52] <el_isma> lattyware, indeed, same here... Now I'm trying to learn linux
[10:52] <sanmarcos> Lattyware, with Ubuntu you dont get to know the internals of GNU/Linux, how its really handled. Its all a GUI. But its okay, 90% of the users will not care to learn. and that is Ubuntu's target audience.
[10:53] <el_isma> sanmarcos, the console is there, if you want it...
[10:53] <{K}Lubby> sanmarco's, how do i get to synaptic? :lol:
[10:53] <sanmarcos> el_isma, like in Os X
[10:53] <Lattyware> sanmarcos: Yes, but it's a base, if I then want to learn the internals, which I do, I can move on once I have gotten more accustomed.
[10:53] <sanmarcos> {K}Lubby, are you using gnone?
[10:53] <micahcowan> bug already filed, apparently...
[10:54] <sanmarcos> Lattyware, of course yes, like you can do in Os X
[10:54] <el_isma> sanmarcos, maybe, but I think you'd agree that OsX has more polish
[10:54] <el_isma> dell500: still alive?
[10:54] <sanmarcos> el_isma, nobody opens the terminal in os x, except literates
[10:54] <{K}Lubby> sanmarcos, i dunno... i downloaded the iso of ubuntu.com and then burned the live cd and installed ubuntu from there
[10:54] <nexus__> hy anyone know the problem  that with the newest kernels the nvidia-drivers not works?
[10:54] <sanmarcos> {K}Lubby, are you in a graphical interface?
[10:54] <{K}Lubby> yeah
[10:54] <mopflite> sanmarcos: it's only "all a gui" if a user uses it like that - I don't use the gui configurations tool at all, or at least very little
[10:54] <sanmarcos> {K}Lubby, look it up under package manager, or add remove programs. I dont know, I dont use a GUI
[10:54] <slid3r> so whats the secret for getting the macromedia flash player working and STAYING working in FF?
[10:54] <sanmarcos> {K}Lubby, if all fails ALT+f2 type synaptic
[10:55] <{K}Lubby> i think i see it
[10:55] <{K}Lubby> now... what's cool/useful stuff to install? :P
[10:55] <el_isma> slid3r: Magic, I think :P
[10:55] <sanmarcos> 15000 packages from debian
[10:55] <slid3r> there really isnt a fix?
[10:55] <slid3r> has to be
[10:55] <noiesmo> slid3r, remove the thing between the seat and the keyboard
[10:55] <el_isma> slid3r: I don't know, flash works fine in Opera
[10:55] <mopflite> slid3r: I did sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree and it has worked faultlessly with firefox every since
[10:55] <noiesmo> slid3r, na just kidding :)
[10:55] <sanmarcos> {K}Lubby, it depends on what you want to instal in what category
[10:55] <{K}Lubby> heh
[10:56] <slid3r> I just did that
[10:56] <slid3r> still metacafe.com wont load
[10:56] <micahcowan> el_isma, fwiw, the man page also has a bash path-expr version at the /top/ of the manpage, in addition to the regex version at the bottom. :-p
[10:56] <nexus__> anyone know the problem  that with the newest kernels the nvidia-drivers not works?
[10:56] <{K}Lubby> is it better to have my ubuntu with the internet connection with my xp hooked up to it, or my xp with the internet connection with my ubuntu hooked up to it (the way it is now)
[10:57] <el_isma> micahcowan, lol!
[10:57] <el_isma> micahcowan, just took a look
[10:57] <Lattyware> By the way, under windows I was running Zoomplayer with the CCCP, and they suggested using MPlayer instead, as it should work just as well. I have installed MPlayer, and it won't play any of my video.
[10:57] <mwe> slid3r: many new flash pages don't work with the linux flash player because it's version 7
[10:57] <InuDuelist> Gar, I hate compiling. It's stopped working completely. Can anyone offer some help?
[10:58] <sanmarcos> InuDuelist, describe your issue thouroughly
[10:58] <slid3r> roger that
[10:58] <slid3r> :/
[10:58] <InuDuelist> Well.
[10:58] <slid3r> why do we run this OS again?
[10:58] <sanmarcos> {K}Lubby, makes no difference
[10:58] <InuDuelist> Because it's better. :P
[10:58] <el_isma> {K}Lubby, I'd guess it's safer if you have net->ubuntu->xp. But I think you said you had a router, in which case it doesn't really matter, the router already filters all harm
[10:58] <slid3r> better than what?
[10:58] <slid3r> stuff that works?
[10:58] <InuDuelist> It works.
[10:58] <nexus__> modprobe nvidia    FATAL: Module nvidia_legacy not found.
[10:58] <nexus__> wtf
[10:58] <mwe> slid3r: why does anyone use propriatary crap like flash?
[10:59] <InuDuelist> It just has some problems some times.
[10:59] <sanmarcos> {K}Lubby, you can learn about iptables/NAT routing in Linux if you want to do it. But if you are not into learning, it will me a masochistic experience
[10:59] <slid3r> I know
[10:59] <Terminus> hello. can anybody tell me how to get xterm maximized on startup?
[10:59] <slid3r> im just bitchin
[10:59] <el_isma> slid3r: It's macromedia's fault, anyway :P
[10:59] <slid3r> YEAH
[10:59] <slid3r> those bastages
[10:59] <sanmarcos> el_isma, it doesnt matter XP has a firewall
[10:59] <sanmarcos> el_isma, microsoft != insecure
[10:59] <possie> i've got troubles with my ICH7 sound card, in ubuntu, even though i *mute* my sound i still get sound :( i tried turning the volume down via aumix but this din't work either, anyone that might have an idea what i could try out?
[10:59] <el_isma> sanmarcos, !!
[10:59] <sanmarcos> el_isma, just as linux != secure
[10:59] <Lattyware> mwe: Why do people use crap like IE, Ciggarettes, and PSPs? Because they are idiots :P
[10:59] <sanmarcos> Terminus, man xterm
[10:59] <mwe> personally I wouldn't put the future of my companies web site in the hands of adobe
[11:00] <el_isma> sanmarcos, yeah, but... XP default firewall doesn't seem safe...
[11:00] <slid3r> san marcos are you the same guy that writes tablature?
[11:00] <sanmarcos> Lattyware, because they choose to be ignorant, they are trapped, addicted, they cant open their minds
[11:00] <{K}Lubby> HEY!  I have a freind who has been running it thinking they were safe, I quickly installed AVG, Outpost, Spybot and Adaware He had about 2000 pieces of spyware and 1000 viruses.
[11:02] <micahcowan> mwe, if anything were to happen to Adobe to "jeapordize" existing sites that rely upon Flash technology, the GNU implementation would find itself finished in a hurry, I should think (Flash /is/ an open format, btw...)
[11:02] <Terminus> sanmarcos: already tried it. it's a bit smaller than having it maximized.
[11:02] <{K}Lubby> how do i put java runtime environment on my ubuntu?
[11:02] <sanmarcos> el_isma, I am talking about iptables -A INPUT -j DROP, stuff like that, blocking everything except allowing somet hings
[11:02] <micahcowan> oops! and any more discussion ought to be on #ubuntu-offtopic, sorry...
[11:02] <Lattyware> {K}Lubby: I do have a DS, and I do enjoy playing on it.
[11:02] <mwe> micahcowan: it's not
[11:02] <Terminus> sanmarcos: and i got the values from xwininfo already.
[11:02] <el_isma> lattyware: firewalls aren't supposed to block viruses
[11:02] <Lattyware> But I was simply stating the PSP phails as a games console.
[11:02] <{K}Lubby> meh
[11:02] <mwe> micahcowan: the problem is they don't care about the 2% or so using linux
[11:03] <InuDuelist> sanmarcos, check your queries.
[11:03] <Lattyware> el_isma: Ack, I said that wrong, I meant to say somthing about my freind being ignorant. That's what I get for typing a message and reading others at the same time
[11:03] <sanmarcos> Terminus, check #xorg
[11:03] <el_isma> mwe, I heard rumors that they were going to fix it soon... (go figure...)
[11:03] <bioticpro> can the dapper install cd be used as an upgrade source for apt?  (I want to use it to upgrade my breezy w/o reinstalling)
[11:03] <micahcowan> mwe, should probably move this into #ubuntu-offtopic. It /is/ a published, and freely implementable standard, though. And while I agree that they don't much care for linux, I don't think that enters into my point...
[11:03] <Terminus> sanmarcos: thanks.
[11:03] <KrisW> I  did apt-get install linux-kernel-headers but I can't find where it put them
[11:04] <Ash-Fox> How does one pass build options to 'apt-get --build source'?
[11:04] <mwe> el_isma: yeah they said a new flash player for linux should be out later this year (Q4) IIRC
[11:04] <nexus__> anyone know the problem that with the newest kernels the nvidia-legacy-drivers not works?
[11:04] <mwe> micahcowan: I see. do you know where the standard is published?
[11:05] <micahcowan> I knew where it was for macromedia... for adobe, I'd have to search...
[11:07] <mwe> micahcowan: I've only seen a specification for the swf files. I guess I haven't looked closely
[11:07] <sanmarcos> nexus__, nvidia updated their legacy drivers not long ago. But they dont work for me, so I just gave up
[11:07] <Ademan>  isnt there a directory within your user's home directory where you can put commands that only you can use? (like the user specific equivalent of /bin or /usr/bin) ?
[11:08] <nexus__> My leagacy drivers doesnt work with the kernel 2.6.15-24 - 2.6.15-26
[11:08] <nexus__> it says (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!
[11:08] <micahcowan> mwe, that's what I was referring to... but I appear to be wrong. The license for the spec says very clearly you may not use it to create "players", so you have an extremely credible point about the future of your website...
[11:08] <micahcowan> (it also covers flv, actually)
[11:09] <spanglesontoast> does anyone know why binutils won't compile ?
[11:09] <Ash-Fox> Compiles fine here.
[11:09] <spanglesontoast> well kinda touchy subject
[11:09] <spanglesontoast> using lfs... although I'm using ubuntu
[11:09] <slid3r> you got compile utils?
[11:09] <mwe> micahcowan: I they were using their brains they'd just keep selling the tools and let the open source community make the player IMO
[11:09] <spanglesontoast> just wondering if I need some depends...
[11:10] <spanglesontoast> not sure slid3r
[11:10] <micahcowan> mwe, no kidding. no one's gonna make a Flash replacement, that's for sure.
[11:10] <Ash-Fox> apt-get build-dep binutils ?
[11:10] <spanglesontoast> it's an old version of ubuntu as the live doesn't want to install...
[11:10] <spanglesontoast> ok let me try
[11:10] <Ash-Fox> That should install any dev depedencies
[11:10] <spanglesontoast> yea it's done a good few
[11:10] <Lattyware> micahcowan: Isn't that was SVG was meant to be.
[11:11] <Lattyware> *?
[11:11] <McNutella> hiya, is there any simple way of compiling software, as I have never done it before/
[11:11] <micahcowan> Lattyware, sorry, I was referring to the application.
[11:11] <mwe> micahcowan: where did you find the license?
[11:11] <Lattyware> ah
[11:12] <Ash-Fox> McNutella, yes, you need to remember thee two commands:
[11:12] <sanmarcos> McNutella, autopackage, but no, just use binaries, if you cant, then compile, its just as easy as ./configure && make && sudo make install if you have all the prerequisites
[11:12] <Ash-Fox> apt-get build-dep <package name>
[11:12] <Ash-Fox> apt-get --build source <package na,e>
[11:12] <sanmarcos> or use the debian assited way as Ash-Fox said
[11:12] <micahcowan> mwe: http://www.adobe.com/licensing/developer/ ... follow the link that says "View the full license text in a printable format"... and we should really probably stop discussing it here...
[11:13] <Shinzetsu> o_O
[11:13] <McNutella> Ash-Fox, come hither
[11:13] <mwe> micahcowan: yeah I guess so
[11:15] <{K}Lubby> everyone pity me, it took me 5-10 minutes to figure out how to run a .bin file to install java, even with directionis
[11:15] <assaff> hiya
[11:15] <mwe> {K}Lubby: you could have just sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jdk
[11:16] <assaff> how can i set grub, that on boot i'll 3 seconds to press ESC to get into the menu?
[11:16] <{K}Lubby> oh :\ well i didn't know that
[11:16] <mwe> {K}Lubby: always look for a package first
[11:17] <{K}Lubby> hmmm apparently it didnt install, went to go play runescape (java game) and it said missing plugin (java)
[11:17] <{K}Lubby> i need the java runtime environment, not jdk
[11:17] <mwe> {K}Lubby: you need to create a symlink
[11:17] <{K}Lubby> so do i do sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre
[11:18] <|thunder> so this is weird, i am using the mesa nv video driver on a laptop. The only res in xorg.conf is 1600x1200, yet a whole slew of res's show up in system/prefs/screen res.     what gives?  On my desktop system only the res's i manually include in xorg.conf are usable.
[11:18] <{K}Lubby> wait what mwe?
[11:18] <oliva> d
[11:18] <mwe> {K}Lubby: yes. remove what you have now first though
[11:18] <oliva> ola busco novia
[11:18] <{K}Lubby> and how do i uninstall it?
[11:18] <mwe> {K}Lubby: you need to create a symlink for the plugin to work
[11:18] <{K}Lubby> oh i think i found the add/remove programs
[11:18] <{K}Lubby> mwe, how do i create a symlink?
[11:19] <mwe> {K}Lubby: well first install the ubuntu package. I think it takes care of it for you unless you manually upgraded firefox
[11:19] <sanmarcos> ln -s file symlink
[11:20] <{K}Lubby> mwe, where/how do i install the ubuntu package? (im completely new to linux)
[11:20] <mwe> {K}Lubby: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre
[11:20] <el_isma> oliva: Buscas en un lugar poco apropiado. Aqui es sobre Ubuntu.
[11:20] <Jo4Cim> does anyone know if i must do anyting more after switch to my ISP DNS any more settings ?
[11:21] <{K}Lubby> mwe, it says reading package lists... done, building dependency... done, e: couldn't find package sun-java5-jre
[11:21] <mwe> Jo4Cim: I don't understand your question
[11:21] <{K}Lubby> what do i do?
[11:21] <mwe> {K}Lubby: enable universe and multiverse
[11:22] <ccooke> |thunder: The laptop LCD is reporting a set of resolutions it supports, probably using the EDID protocol. Xorg will take that information in preference to the details in your Xorg config, because it'll be rather more reliable
[11:22] <mwe> !univserse > {K}Lubby
[11:22] <ubotu> I know nothing about univserse  - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[11:22] <mwe> {K}Lubby: see /msg from ubotu
[11:22] <mwe> !universe > {K}Lubby
[11:22] <dmitri> Hello, i want to install ubuntu-desktop onto server, without using the NET. I have the dekstop CD and modified my sources.list so that only the top optin - the CD is left uncommented. Apt-get doesnt find it, can someone help please?
[11:22] <{K}Lubby> okay
[11:22] <KrisW> what kernel should I be using for dapper on a 1ghz duron?
[11:23] <sanmarcos> k7
[11:24] <sanmarcos> linux-image-k7
[11:24] <KrisW> ok how do I update my kernel without killing my ubuntu?
[11:24] <KrisW> :-/
[11:24] <KrisW> I don't want to reinstall or anything
[11:25] <mwe> KrisW: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[11:25] <Madpilot> KrisW, just install it, then restart
[11:25] <KrisW> install what?
[11:25] <KrisW> so confused
[11:25] <KrisW> heh
[11:25] <sanmarcos> "you killed my ubuntu!"
[11:25] <sanmarcos> linux-image-k7 Krhis
[11:25] <{K}Lubby> mwe, the ubotu isn't making sense
[11:25] <KrisW> I'm currently using dapper with 2.6.15-26-386
[11:25] <mwe> KrisW: are you installing a different kernel?
[11:25] <mwe> KrisW: oh
[11:25] <{K}Lubby> mwe: where is the button i hit to install java runtime environment :lol:?
[11:26] <Krhis> sanmarcos, ?
[11:26] <mwe> KrisW: then disregard my previous comment
[11:26] <KrisW> and the support channel people for vmware told me I'm using the wrong kernel
[11:26] <Krhis> Ah, ok.
[11:26] <nkuttler> hm, why do i get a ping: unknown host google.com if dig can lookup the url?
[11:26] <mwe> KrisW: sudo aptitude install linux-image-k7 then reboot
[11:26] <dmitri> How can i do an offline install of ubuntu-desktop?
[11:26] <mwe> {K}Lubby: enable universe
[11:26] <{K}Lubby> mwe: how?
[11:27] <KrisW> mwe, ok I'll try that, thanks
[11:27] <mwe> {K}Lubby: paste /etc/apt/sources.list at paste.ubuntu-nl.org and I'll fix it
[11:27] <{K}Lubby> okay mwe one sec
[11:28] <sanmarcos> mwe, he wont learn like that
[11:28] <{K}Lubby> is there any fancy way to paste it, or do i copy, go to the website, and paste?
[11:28] <sanmarcos> {K}Lubby, https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/extra-repositories.html
[11:29] <mwe> {K}Lubby: just copy paste. or read what sanmarcos is suggesting
[11:29] <sanmarcos> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
[11:29] <sanmarcos> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/CommandLine
[11:29] <sanmarcos> there {K}Lubby
[11:29] <sanmarcos> why wont people use help.ubuntu.com? they are the best docs i've seen in any distro
[11:30] <el_isma> sanmarcos, they are, indeed. They are just buried... many many links away from main page
[11:30] <el_isma> sanmarcos, If they moved them more upfront, I'll bet more people would use them
[11:30] <sanmarcos> yep, and no search on official docs, only community
[11:30] <sanmarcos> and that only searchs titles
[11:30] <el_isma> sanmarcos: Even I, knowing what I want, have a hard time just to get there...
[11:31] <sanmarcos> but oh well, for those who search for the truth.. may we praise them
[11:31] <sanmarcos> el_isma, yelp also has a good search function
[11:31] <Madpilot> el_isma, there's links to the various guides right off help.u.c - not sure how much more 'up front' the page can get
[11:31] <sanmarcos> the ubuntu help is awesome for newbies
[11:31] <thelsdj> anyone notice mouse stops being able to click once in a while? switching virtual desktops with keyboard fixes it, anyone know whats up?
[11:31] <mwe> thelsdj: no
[11:32] <thelsdj> this started last time i updated and rebooted
[11:32] <{K}Lubby> sanmarcos:... so ummm where do i find JRE now?
[11:32] <mwe> {K}Lubby: did you manage to enable universe and multiverse?
[11:32] <sanmarcos> I dont know why people waste their time with java
[11:32] <{K}Lubby> mwe: yeah i did
[11:32] <{K}Lubby> sanmarcos: cause a game i play is made with it
[11:32] <sanmarcos> but just install sun-java5-bin sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin
[11:32] <mwe> {K}Lubby: update then install sun-java5-jre
[11:32] <spanglesontoast> ty slid3r that worked
[11:32] <InuDuelist> It's Runescape, isn't it.
[11:32] <spanglesontoast> gotta go to work peace
[11:33] <el_isma> Madpilot: I'd say more like in the front page. Like: "For Documentation" or "Useful resources"
[11:33] <{K}Lubby> inu: yeah how'd you know?
[11:33] <mwe> sanmarcos: sun-java5-jre takes care of it I think
[11:33] <InuDuelist> That's the only game I know of that uses Java.
[11:33] <thelsdj> theres a cool game called poxnora that uses java too :) and azureus is nice since theres no other good linux gui bittorrent clients
[11:33] <sanmarcos> thelsdj, qtorrent? Transmission?
[11:33] <el_isma> Madpilot: Right now you have to guess (coming from ubuntu.com) that what you need is in "community"
[11:33] <{K}Lubby> mwe: in synaptic package manager is j2re1.4-mozzila-plug what i want?
[11:33] <mwe> {K}Lubby: no
[11:34] <mwe> {K}Lubby: go the the terminal please
[11:34] <{K}Lubby> mwe: okay, there
[11:34] <mwe> {K}Lubby: close synaptic. type sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre
[11:34] <{K}Lubby> actually mwe: i think i figured it out
[11:34] <lhds> hey on startup i get linux entreprise volume management system errors
[11:34] <thelsdj> sanmarcos: i'd rather have something a little more feature rich, wish there was utorrent port for linux
[11:34] <mwe> {K}Lubby: good. synaptic has a search function I think
[11:34] <{K}Lubby> mwe: i install j2re1.4 then j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin from synaptic
[11:35] <mwe> {K}Lubby: no
[11:35] <thelsdj> sanmarcos: though i'll probably give those a try
[11:35] <mwe> {K}Lubby: that's not it
[11:35] <mwe> {K}Lubby: close synaptic. type sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre in a terminal
[11:35] <sanmarcos> thelsdj, there is a port on the way
[11:35] <sanmarcos> it sucks they dont open source their code
[11:35] <{K}Lubby> mwe: according to the description it is it
[11:35] <mwe> {K}Lubby: it's _not_ sun java 5
[11:36] <sanmarcos> I would port it myself to GTK if they would, even though I loath GTKmm
[11:36] <thelsdj> i really don't like the idea of running qt libs just for qtorrent, and transmission not in aptitude (though i bet theres a repository somewhere)
[11:36] <{K}Lubby> mwe: hold on let me finish downloading it and ill test it and find out
[11:36] <mwe> {K}Lubby: do what like though. it's your computer
[11:37] <james296> how come when I install Automatix Im no longer able to get Epiphany Browser?
[11:37] <davegoodson> Hi, How do I install support to type in Asian languages such as Chinese and Japanese?
[11:38] <davegoodson> I can't find any pages about this.
[11:38] <{K}Lubby> davegoodson: try system -> administration -> language support
[11:38] <{K}Lubby> :P
[11:38] <KrisW> yay the new kernel worked, thanks mwe!
[11:39] <davegoodson> i've tired that before, and i couldn't understand how to switch unless i changed all the OS's language
[11:39] <thelsdj> davegoodson:
[11:39] <thelsdj> :)
[11:39] <aixing> hey anyone here successfully got a dual screen working with an ati card?
[11:39] <davegoodson> hello adamu :P
[11:40] <{K}Lubby> mwe: i installed the jre 1.4 stuff and it runs runescape now ;O
[11:40] <mwe> KrisW: yw
[11:40] <thelsdj> not sure which docs i used to set this up
[11:40] <thelsdj> davegoodson: you tried  this? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/JapaneseInputHowToInBreezy
[11:40] <davegoodson> don't think so, ill have a look :) thanks
[11:44] <ken> hi
[11:45] <ken> any1 know how to login as root in ubuntu?
[11:45] <sanmarcos> !root > InuDuelist
[11:45] <ken> hello!~
[11:45] <ken> any one here?
[11:45] <|thunder> yep
[11:45] <zenit> ken: I would suggest to use sudo for all your work. But If you really have to, you can use sudo -i
[11:45] <aixing> yep
[11:46] <{K}Lubby> anyone know any programs like appletalk so that computers on the same network (one running windows xp one running ubuntu) can talk back and forth?
[11:46] <ken> hi, all
[11:46] <Chris-qBT> ken: There is no root account enabled as default but you can enable it using "sudo passwd root"
[11:46] <ken> thx
[11:47] <Chris-qBT> ken: then type your password and you will be able to log as root using "su root"
[11:47] <Chris-qBT> ken: np
[11:47] <longwave> {K}Lubby: you can use samba to share files on ubuntu that can be read on windows
[11:47] <{K}Lubby> longwave: thats not what i want, i want an IM program that is for computer to computer on the same network
[11:48] <longwave> {K}Lubby: gaim with jabber or another IM protocol should work
[11:49] <{K}Lubby> yeah ummm nvm
[11:49] <{K}Lubby> bye bye
[11:49] <jep> hi ppl
[11:50] <jep> which package provide mencoder ?
[11:50] <finalbeta> If a project like http://www.freespire.org/ can deliver a version that has propretarie drivers and codecs. Why doesn't ubuntu do that and let it's users postinstall machines to get them working properly?
[11:50] <Ng> jep: mencoder :)
[11:50] <Ackeubu_> Hey guys, i have infrared on my travelmate laptop. cound someone tell me where to start looking for help with getting it working?
[11:50] <Ng> finalbeta: http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/philosophy
[11:51] <|thunder> jep, you should get automatix
[11:51] <el_isma> finalbeta: Legal problems...
[11:51] <|thunder> jep, www.getautomatix.com
[11:51] <finalbeta> el_isma, legal? Why can other distro's do it then?
[11:51] <|thunder> el_isma, cuz their not free
[11:51] <finalbeta> el_isma, it's the philosofy thing, read it
[11:52] <Bazzi> finalbeta: money, being not free
[11:52] <Ackeubu_> Would Lirc be the thing to use to get infrared to work?
[11:52] <finalbeta> Bazzi, propetarie drivers don't cost money, they just are not opensource
[11:52] <Bazzi> finalbeta: codecs have license costs, though
[11:52] <finalbeta> Ackeubu_, Lirc doesn't work on dapper, the version in the repo is 2 years old I believe
[11:53] <Bazzi> and drivers are a religious issue
[11:53] <Bazzi> though ubuntu doesn't make it particularly hard to use them
[11:53] <Flannel> mp3 isn't just non-Free, it's non-free
[11:53] <finalbeta> I find it hard to believe that other distro's would pay for our codecs, and the religious issue doesn't help end users. I want a working system, not one that I have to spend houres setting up after installation
[11:54] <Ackeubu_> finalbeta, would you know if it is possible to get builtin infrared  to work on laptops?
[11:54] <Flannel> finalbeta: they don't pay, they just hope not to get sued.  or, for a good deal of them.  I'm sure there are exceptions
[11:54] <Bazzi> finalbeta: linspire (freespire) has spent money on codec licensing
[11:54] <finalbeta> Ackeubu_, no idea really, It must be possible. On the lirc site they have a much newer version you could try
[11:55] <Bazzi> finalbeta: and it shouldn't take you hours to setup.
[11:55] <finalbeta> For a first time user that's exactly what it takes
[11:55] <Bazzi> windows takes hours to setup with proprietary drivers, since you have to reboot 20 times
[11:55] <finalbeta> only after a couple of times it goes some faster, but with getting the ATI drivers to work, installing codecs, enabling repositories
[11:55] <Flannel> Ackeubu_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LircHowto
[11:56] <Bazzi> well, for a first time user anything takes hours...
[11:56] <Ng> finalbeta: work is being done to improve the information given to users when they try to do/play something that can't be distributed by default
[11:56] <larsemil> my ubuntu is slow as heck... taking 20 sec to start firefox for example. my computer is a really fast one so thats not the problem. it all worked just fine untill recently... have no idea what it is. my mem and cpu levels are just fine
[11:56] <Ng> larsemil: perhaps hard disk DMA?
[11:56] <finalbeta> Ng, yes, read the edgy things.
[11:56] <mwe> larsemil: firefox is slow at starting here as well
[11:56] <Prince_of_Dark> Disculpen, no puedo abrir archivos *.Mp3
[11:56] <Prince_of_Dark> alguien me da una mano
[11:56] <Bazzi> finalbeta: my suggestion is to just give a new user some hints already.
[11:56] <Prince_of_Dark> ???!
[11:56] <Flannel> !es
[11:56] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[11:57] <larsemil> mwe, but its the same by closing it.. then it hangs for seven seconds and then it closes
[11:57] <Bazzi> so, maybe a link to easyubuntu or some wiki pages on the desktop after installation
[11:57] <larsemil> ng can that change without me doing anything?
[11:57] <mwe> larsemil: that doesn't sound normal, no
[11:57] <Ng> larsemil: yes, although it's not terribly common
[11:57] <finalbeta> Bazzi, after installation they should give new users some sort of automatix.
[11:57] <Bazzi> I agree
[11:57] <Ng> larsemil: also if you're using scsi or sata you don't need to worry about DMA, they always do it
[11:57] <larsemil> Ng, so how do i look upun it
[11:57] <larsemil> Ng,  ah. satadisks here..
[11:58] <Bazzi> or a post-installation "setup wizard"
[11:58] <Ng> larsemil: right, well it's not that then ;)
[11:58] <mwe> larsemil: It does indeed sound like something is wrong though
[11:58] <Ng> finalbeta: Bazzi: specifications for such things exist and are being worked on
[11:58] <finalbeta> Flannel, thnx for the Lirc link.
[11:58] <Bazzi> Ng: nice
[11:58] <finalbeta> great.
[11:58] <larsemil> yes. i am thinking about a fresh install but i ve done so much custom things like compiling my own programs and stuff...
[11:59] <mwe> larsemil: if you don't find the problem it will most likely reappear if you reinstall
[11:59] <davegoodson> Thanks for the help :)
[11:59] <Ng> finalbeta: also, regarding your question about proprietary codecs and the like, the second paragraph of http://wiki.freespire.org/index.php/Summary_of_Proprietary_Components says "Our license does not permit us to grant redistribution rights" - so you can't give a copy of your freespire disc to your friend. that is not what ubuntu wants.
[12:00] <Ng> but really this is a bit off-topic for this channel ;)
[12:00] <finalbeta> No it's not, it's a resonably question :p
[12:00] <finalbeta> but thnx for the info
[12:00] <larsemil> mwe, u think.. ? i think i could have got some crap into the system.
[12:00] <Ng> the question is ok, but extended discussion about it would be better in -offtopic :)
[12:00] <Flannel> finalbeta: right, but it's a question for #ubuntu-offtopic, not #ubuntu
[12:01] <mwe> larsemil: I _think_ it would
[12:02] <mwe> larsemil: did you try some thing, like if it happens in a failsafe session for example?
[12:02] <pequatre> hi. Can anyone help me with Azureus ? especially Az downloading and installing  swt-3.2-gtk-linux-x86.zip but asking for it to be downloaded again everytime ?
[12:02] <larsemil> mwe, no. and i am going to try it without xgl running to. could be a xglbug
[12:02] <dmitri> could someone help me install ubuntu-desktop onto server, by using dapper CD please
[12:03] <MatthewV> dmitri, is it a alternate or desktop cd?
[12:03] <yc1> urgh
[12:03] <mwe> larsemil: personally I gave up XGL because it caused all kinds of oddness
[12:03] <dmitri> matthewV: desktop CD
[12:03] <MatthewV> dmitri, i don't think its possible with the desktop cd, only the alternate
[12:03] <larsemil> mwe, this would be the only for me. otherwise it works really great
[12:03] <Werdna> hi guys
[12:03] <mwe> larsemil: I'm glad to hear that
[12:04] <dmitri> MatthewV: and where do i get alternate CD?
[12:04] <Flannel> !tell pequatre about azureus
[12:04] <Werdna> you have any suggestions for remote access/thin client solution for ubuntu?
[12:04] <MatthewV> dmitri, this is because the alternate cd contains all the packages to be installed, while the desktop cd contains a compressed filesystem, which is then copied to hdd on installation
[12:04] <MatthewV> dmitri, you could download it, but if you wanted to do that you'd be better off just upgrading without using a cd
[12:05] <Flannel> dmitri: youre trying to install dapper on an existing server (which version) installation?
[12:05] <dmitri> MatthewV: its true, only the server site pays a lot of money for download, whilst i could get ready for it at home (where i have unlimited)
[12:05] <Flannel> or, trying to install a server, via the desktop iso?
[12:05] <pequatre> Flannel, thx but my query's about a CVS update. Azureus was properly installed and working, it is now too but there's this notification.
[12:05] <Werdna> apparently nobody knows.
[12:06] <longwave> Werdna: freenx for a thin client, maybe?
[12:06] <Werdna> longwave, NoMachine?
[12:06] <Flannel> pequatre: ah.  Well, looks like azureus wants you to have that file, and is looking in [place A]  but perhaps not seeing it after it downloads it.  Ubuntu doesn't put everything in the same places as everything else
[12:06] <longwave> Werdna: yes, freenx is an open source implementation of nomachine's server
[12:06] <dmitri> matthewV: and after i donwload the alternate, i just run apt-cdrom add, and uncomment all the other repositories?
[12:06] <Smeggy> anyone got any tips for improving ubuntu battery life?
[12:07] <Flannel> pequatre: you'd be better off asking Azureus people, as its an azureus specific problem
[12:07] <Werdna> ah.
[12:07] <Flannel> dmitri: right, the alternate CD can act as a repository
[12:07] <Flannel> dmitri: make sure you get 6.06.1!
[12:07] <MatthewV> dmitri, yes, you would do that, and that should work, as it will then pull what it can off the cd, and shouldn't need any else
[12:07] <IAskew> for a normal install, are you sposed to burn the desktop or alternative image?
[12:07] <MatthewV> IAskew, desktop
[12:07] <Flannel> IAskew: doesn't matter.  Do you want a graphical or textmode installation?
[12:07] <Werdna> longwave, link?
[12:07] <IAskew> thx MatthewV
[12:07] <mwe> Smeggy: cpu undervolting maybe, make sure the cpu is not loaded
[12:07] <Flannel> IAskew: they both install the same packages
[12:08] <IAskew> thx Flannel
[12:08] <pequatre> Flannel, what's trange is that .azureus is correctly updated, i.e. the files are replaced (checked with ls -lt) so...? i've tried to chmod them to a+x but it doesn't help...maybe i should a+w the config files ?
[12:08] <Flannel> IAskew: alternate ISO provides more control/options (and not having towait for the live CD to boot first), desktop provides click based installation
[12:08] <longwave> Werdna: http://freenx.berlios.de/ and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[12:08] <finalbeta> Some program like VMWare server/Lirc require kernel header files to build. When I install a new kernel thru the update manager, do I need to redownload header files for that kernel, reinstall VMware server/lirc after that?
[12:08] <pequatre> (because .azureus is the place where the files in the .zip archive belong to)
[12:08] <dmitri> MatthewV: thanks, will give it a whirl
[12:09] <Flannel> pequatre: that dependson what azureus wants.  like I said, you should ask them ;)
[12:09] <IAskew> i c Flannel, thx for ur help
[12:09] <mwe> finalbeta: yes
[12:09] <mwe> finalbeta: you need to recompile custom kernel modules
[12:09] <pequatre> Flannel, yes but there's noone on their chan :/
[12:09] <Ng> finalbeta: if you install linux-image-686 and linux-headers-686 (or -386 or -k7, etc) you will always have the latest of each
[12:09] <pequatre> i was hoping someone here would have had the same issue
[12:09] <Flannel> pequatre: they've got tons of channels, someone has to be active somewhere.  Heck, they even have a support channel if you speak klingon
[12:10] <pequatre> lol
[12:10] <mwe> finalbeta: you still need to recompile custom kernel modules when you upgrade the kernel
[12:11] <finalbeta> ok, guess my VMWare server is broken then, will have to find out what exactly to do. Thnx for the info
[12:12] <HiP_P> is there a way of getting a HP scanjet 2100c usb working with xsane?
[12:12] <shawnr_> anyone know any good tips/links on fine tuning you ubuntu box? other than stopping services?
[12:13] <Sharketor> hello
[12:13] <r0wd3> Dont quit you guys, we are in this together.
[12:13] <Sharketor> I have a problem with my print canon i320
[12:13] <larsemil> is there anything else then my /home to backup if i am doing a fresh install?
[12:13] <Flannel> larsemil: /home should contain all your files, unless you have stuff in /var (like apache webpage or whatnot)
[12:13] <shawnr_> lersemil, it depeneds on what you want to save, but not really
[12:13] <Werdna> how do I figure out which version I have?
[12:13] <Ng> larsemil: it might be handy to snag a copy of /etc/ too
[12:13] <Sharketor> I haven't the drive
[12:14] <Werdna> ah, never mind.
[12:14] <Ng> Werdna: lsb_release -a
[12:14] <mopflite> larsemil: it depends really on whether you have created other user data directories elsewhere - some folk create a /data/ directory, for instance
[12:14] <Sharketor> Who have the driver for canon i320?
[12:14] <Sharketor> help me, I am new
[12:14] <larsemil> mopflite, nope. i have that on other disks
[12:14] <shawnr_> anyone know any good tips/links on fine tuning you ubuntu box? other than stopping services?
[12:15] <pequatre> ok found Azureus-support....
[12:16] <Sharketor> :(
[12:18] <Ackeubu_> Flannel, finalbeta just said that lirc didnt work for dapper?!
[12:19] <finalbeta> Ackeubu_, that's the version from the dapper repositories, that guide is using the newest source from the site I believe
[12:19] <Ackeubu_> finalbeta: okay thanks
[12:19] <InuDuelist> ...
[12:20] <InuDuelist> Did he really just do that?
[12:20] <InuDuelist> He left goatse in his quit message?
[12:20] <InuDuelist> Oh, wait.
[12:20] <InuDuelist> Nevermind.
[12:20] <farous> stgraber: does it have webcam with msn? and does it have voice now or not ?
[12:20] <farous> sorry wrong room
[12:20] <farous> :)
[12:21] <ripper> i havent seen anything accept gyachE support cam and voice for *nix and half the time it dont work
[12:21] <quux> Dapper; standard install on a ThinkPad T21 with Cisco 350 wireless. Can't seem to make the wireless capture a DHCP address. Thoughts anyone?
[12:21] <farous> i know of qnext which is java based both work and file sharing too p2p
[12:22] <larsemil> Ng, mwe not running xgl speeded up the computer like 1000%
[12:23] <Flannel> larsemil: makes sense
[12:24] <Ng> larsemil: ahh, yes that would do it :)
[12:24] <larsemil> i will go for xgl in 6 months. then it will be more stable i guess
[12:25] <Flannel> larsemil: it'll be officially supported in Edgy, I believe.
[12:25] <lordpatman> hi
[12:25] <Bazzi> larsemil: go for AIGLX
[12:25] <lordpatman> i have a question, throught the installation from the live-cd, could you select the place where grub should be installed?
[12:25] <larsemil> Bazzi, when is that coming?
[12:26] <Bazzi> larsemil: it's in edgy already
[12:26] <larsemil> Flannel, i heard it will not even be in edgy, like its not in dapper
[12:26] <larsemil> Bazzi, and it does pretty much the same things as xgl?
[12:26] <Bazzi> pretty much yes
[12:27] <Flannel> larsemil: why wouldn't it be in edgy?  It was released too late in the cycle to be included in Dapper
[12:27] <Bazzi> afaik it doesn't do as much as xgl yet but it's less strain on your GPU
[12:27] <unfun> After I reformated my computer I get disconnected all the time from internet. When I start my computer and after some time have passed I get disconnected? This didn't happend before I reformated ubuntu.
[12:28] <Bazzi> Flannel: I haven't seen any movement  on the xgl/compiz route in edgy yet, still old versions in there
[12:28] <rixxon> edgy repos will include vim7, but dapper not?
[12:29] <quux> Dapper; standard install on a ThinkPad T21 with Cisco 350 wireless. Can't seem to make the wireless capture a DHCP address. iwconfig shows a good link to the AP. Thoughts anyone?
[12:29] <Bazzi> rixxon: seems so
[12:30] <rixxon> Bazzi, cool
[12:30] <farous> quux: did you config yoru nameserver in resolv.conf file
[12:30] <Flannel> rixxon: right, vim7 is in edgy, I beleive.
[12:31] <rixxon> yea so it would seem. but it will not come for dapper?
[12:31] <Flannel> rixxon: nope.
[12:31] <b_> i c that Ubuntu can now be installed to USB devices, such as removablehard drives and flash memory, using the text-mode installer. so would i be able to install ubuntu on my ipod and ruin it odd my ipod?
[12:31] <rixxon> i did compile manually, but a package is more consistant to the system ...
[12:31] <rixxon> Flannel, ok thanks
[12:31] <HeXiOn> hi, anybody knows a command to turn off/on monitor from console??? (to use with LIRC)
[12:32] <frogzoo> b_: no way
[12:32] <quux> farous: no. At this point I can't even pull a dhcp address
[12:32] <b_> crap
[12:32] <Pulim> my PC is a Epox 5P945-J Pentium D 2.66 .. wich architeture of Ubuntu I should use?
[12:32] <farous> quux: you are connected to a router right?
[12:32] <rixxon> why shouldn't he be able to run ubuntu from an ipod? isn't it just a question of bios support?
[12:33] <quux> farous: there is no wired connection; only wireless. iwconfig shows link quality 61/100
[12:33] <Flannel> b_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation
[12:33] <farous> quux: the wireless is through a router right
[12:33] <quux> farous: yes, other systems are using it without issue
[12:34] <marlene> Hi all,
[12:34] <|_BillY_|> hey
[12:34] <marlene> I need some help i guess... I do not quite understand what I do wrong...
[12:35] <InuDuelist> Explain?
[12:35] <InuDuelist> :)
[12:35] <farous> quux: if you run gnome just open the network config menu and add your router address in the dns servers section
[12:35] <farous> quux: you can add it manually to /etc/resolv.conf, nameserver <ip here>
[12:36] <quux> farous: uhm, this network uses a different DNS server. And again - DHCP is working on this network, but the ubuntu/dapper machine does not pull a dhcp address
[12:36] <HiP_P> is there a way of getting a HP scanjet 2100c usb working with xsane?
[12:36] <b_> i got one more question
[12:36] <b_> i thought opera was in ubuntu repositories but i do not see it
[12:36] <quux> I'm not worried about DNS right now; I want DHCP to work.
[12:36] <b_> where is it
[12:36] <b_> i have all repos enabled
[12:37] <marlene> I need to compile a later kernel than the one installed with ubuntu so I downloaded <IP_ADDRESS> and started to compile but already after make menuconfig I already receive errors .. what's wrong with my machine ?
[12:37] <IAskew> b_ i have it here under non-free/web repo
[12:37] <Flannel> b_: i believe Seveas has it in his repositories, opera might have a deb in its repositories as well.  But no, not in ubuntus repositories
[12:37] <Flannel> !tell b_ about opera
[12:37] <farous> quux: i found it even with dhcp i had to put in the ip address of my router as the dns server
[12:37] <Ng> b_: go into the Add/Remote tool, tick the commercial applications box and search for opera
[12:37] <Ng> "Add/Remove" rather
[12:38] <farous> quux: if you switch between networks often you can install network-manager package
[12:38] <quux> farous: perhaps that is so. But until I can get the system to successfully acquire a DHCP address, DNS is kinda moot
[12:38] <farous> makes life better
[12:39] <not-a-bot> Hello, I'm looking for a tool that shwos me the userdata of an xvid file, if it uses qpel, gmx and its resolution ... and a tool to remove packed bitstream, is there something like that for linux?
[12:39] <lordpatman> is this http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/6.06.1/release/ the right place to donwload ubuntu 6.06.1, although the .iso is named 6.06?
[12:39] <quux> please understand. iwconfig shows the system connected to the right Access Point with the proper WEP key. ifconfig shows the interface has no IP address. dhclient does not successfully acquire an IP address
[12:42] <marlene> hello ? does anyone have seen my question ?
[12:42] <farous> ah ok quux sorry did not know you got right access point
[12:42] <unfun> Why do I get disconnecte when I use ubuntu? Sometimes I just get disconnected from the net? why?
[12:42] <farous> quux: do you use a native linux driver or ndiswrapper
[12:42] <etzerd> good morning all
[12:42] <etzerd> ?
[12:42] <rixxon> morning
[12:42] <marlene> morning
[12:42] <quux> farous: just the standard ubuntu installation
[12:42] <etzerd> can anyone tell me how to install KDE in ubuntu
[12:42] <farous> quux: lsmod |grep ndiswrapper
[12:43] <Flannel> !tell marlene about kernel
[12:43] <etzerd> I type install kubuntu-desktop it doesn't work
[12:43] <marlene> etzerd: sudo apt-get install kde-desktop
[12:43] <Flannel> kubuntu-desktop
[12:43] <IAskew> etzerd, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[12:44] <marlene> does anyone can help me as well ?
[12:44] <marlene> I have a Kernel queestion
[12:44] <IAskew> sorry marlene i cant help you
[12:44] <Flannel> marlene: did you see the link ubotu sent you?
[12:44] <ripper> marlene maybe i could
[12:44] <etzerd> Thanks guys
[12:44] <quux> farous: sorry, booting to the livecd to check something
[12:44] <etzerd> one more question
[12:44] <IAskew> !kernel > IAskew
[12:45] <farous> quux: if you use the ndiswrapper. the command i sent you returned that ndiswrapper is used. The wrapper still have probs with wep key. I found it not to work on my card with open wep key whatever i did. disabling the wep encr or using wep shared one made it work though
[12:45] <b_> whats a good package that supports all kinds of archive and compression including rar along with password protection since the default archiver is messed up when i apply passwords
[12:45] <marlene> the thing is i need to install a later kernel.. so I downloaded <IP_ADDRESS> .. i tried to execute make menuconfig and id does not work
[12:45] <ripper> senao and orionoco cards 0wn
[12:45] <quux> farous: ahh, good to know. Unfortunately I cannot reconfig the AP for this one system ...
[12:45] <farous> quux: it differs form one card to the other and from one wireless driver to the other
[12:45] <lordpatman> i have a question
[12:45] <Flannel> marlene: see the link ubotu sent you, it's got all the details you need
[12:45] <etzerd> I like to install the rest of the driver for instance to be able to play DVD, I know there was a website address in ubuntu KIwi is it still there
[12:46] <ripper> !esound
[12:46] <ubotu> I know nothing about esound - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:46] <Flannel> marlene: and, 2.6.17 won't work on Dapper, I don't believe.
[12:46] <neildarlow> how do i resize desktop icons globally? the default size seems a bit large for me
[12:46] <IAskew> !tell Iaskew about kernel
[12:46] <marlene> thanks... I'll check it
[12:47] <ripper> !tell ripper about kernel
[12:47] <Ackeubu_> Flannel: hey again. i already had some version of lirc installed with synaptic. im trying to get it to recieve pics from my pda and my cell phone. so how do i know if lirc is working and how do i use lirc if it is working?
[12:47] <ripper> !kernel
[12:47] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux'). You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[12:47] <Flannel> Ackeubu_: no idea, I don't have a laptop, or any sort of IR stuff ;)
[12:48] <ripper> !wmv
[12:48] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:48] <xukun> any one here using dell inspiron 9300 with Dapper?
[12:48] <ripper> !selinux
[12:48] <ubotu> I know nothing about selinux - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[12:48] <Flannel> Ackeubu_: theres a link at the bottom of the wiki page for general lirc configurations, if I remember correctly
[12:48] <ripper> anyone ever tried using selinux on the desktop or grsecurity?
[12:48] <bimberi> neildarlow: change the Icon View Defaults setting in Edit->Prefs of a Nautilus window
[12:49] <quux> farous: it is using the 'airo' driver
[12:49] <neildarlow> bimberi: thanks, will try
[12:49] <ripper> it's too bad ubuntu doesnt provide hardend sources , atleast i havent seen anything about it
[12:50] <farous> quux: never worked with it sorry. perhaps others can help you then
[12:50] <Ackeubu_> Flannel: I tryid to use the lirchowto but got errors on make modules. so Im screwed in that regard. lirc_dev doesnt seem to be on my system when doing a locate lirc_dev. so..I dont know where I am and where to go.. >P
[12:50] <Flannel> ripper: SELinux was deferred from dapper, it's on the books.
[12:50] <ripper> grsecurity is better imho
[12:51] <ripper> !gcc
[12:51] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[12:51] <ripper> anyone know if ubuntu implemented the ibm stack protection with gcc?
[12:52] <neildarlow> bimberi: thanks. adjusting to 75% did what i wanted
[12:52] <lordpatman> where can i download the new ubuntu release, i cannot find a cd iso, i only found a dvd.iso
[12:53] <unfun> How do I install flashplayer?
[12:53] <ripper> sudo apt-get install flashplayer-nonfree
[12:53] <ripper> i think
[12:53] <ripper> or sudo apt-get install flashplayer
[12:53] <unfun> think?
[12:53] <unfun> :)
[12:54] <ripper> i dont use it
[12:54] <gvt> hi@all ... plz tell me where i have to go for bash scripting etc.  is there a channel in IRC available ?
[12:54] <jbrimble> guys, i need some help.  Is there an automatic configuration utility that will fix it?
[12:54] <IAskew> unfun, its in multiverse
[12:54] <MatthewV> jbrimble, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:54] <Snake007uk> anyone know of a good project management tool for ubuntu
[12:54] <jbrimble> thankyou MatthewV
[12:54] <unfun> ask, where is multiverse?
[12:54] <scrizt> could anyone help me with cups ? "# lpadmin -p print -i interface" fails with permission denied.
[12:55] <MatthewV> !multiverse
[12:55] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[12:55] <IAskew> in ur sources.list
[12:55] <unfun> hwre is sourcelsit
[12:55] <MatthewV> unfun, /etc/apt/sources.list but i would suggest taking a look at some of the above links
[12:55] <scrizt> "lpadmin: Unable to copy interface script - Permission denied!"
[12:56] <quux> hrm, browsing the forums, seems many others are having similar probs with the cisco wireless
[12:58] <Chilly> uit
[12:59] <Marsmensch> haver there any updates on the cups system been since last monday?
[12:59] <lesce> whereis the ubuntu logo (the one from the menu bar) located in ubuntu 6.06 ?
[12:59] <rsk> generally? or in ubuntu
[12:59] <Marsmensch> in ubuntu
[01:00] <lesce> it's not in /usr/share/pixmaps/gnome-logo-icon-transparent.png
[01:01] <Marsmensch> i have a brother hl2030 installed ... worked fine on linux ... but now there seems to be a problem
[01:01] <kris> anyone got amarok visualizations working - out of the box?
[01:02] <Snake007uk> anyone know of a project management software for ubuntu
[01:02] <Crazed> hi
[01:02] <Crazed> got a little problem :D
[01:02] <rivanvx> Marsmensch: what kinds of problem?
[01:02] <goki-> Snake007uk, there's the project planner GANTT thing, it's not great to be honest
[01:02] <scrizt> cups-expretise anyone ?
[01:03] <Crazed> some how my MBR got messed up
[01:03] <Crazed> now I fixed it
[01:03] <Snake007uk> goki-:  i just need something simoke
[01:03] <Snake007uk> simple
[01:03] <Marsmensch> rivanvx: it doesn't print anymore
[01:03] <Crazed> but it detects my filesystem wrong
[01:03] <Crazed> it detects it as ext2
[01:03] <Crazed> but its ext3
[01:03] <Marsmensch> Crazed: thats ok
[01:03] <Crazed> ?
[01:03] <Crazed> its not :P
[01:03] <Crazed> when I boot
[01:04] <sanmarcos> ext2 is the same as ext3
[01:04] <Crazed> I get a message that my superblock might be corrupted
[01:04] <mcphail> Crazed: ext2 and ext3 are essentially the same
[01:04] <_w^x_> I need some recommendations on a good web development IDE for xhtml, css, javascript, ajax, etc.. etc..
[01:04] <Crazed> well why is it called xext3 then ?
[01:04] <Crazed> -x
[01:04] <sanmarcos> journaling
[01:04] <Chousuke> Crazed: it has journalling
[01:04] <mcphail> Crazed: it has an added journal
[01:04] <rivanvx> Marsmensch: any related bug in bug tracker?
[01:04] <rixxon> _w^x_, bluefish?
[01:04] <Crazed> and why do I get a error when diskcheck is trying to run
[01:04] <Crazed> that I need to fix it manual
[01:05] <Marsmensch> doen't know
[01:05] <Crazed> very annoying to press ctrl+d all the time when I reboot
[01:06] <Jhair> _w^x_: eclipse+jboss ide is a nice IDE
[01:06] <sanmarcos> visual studio/monodevelop is excellent too
[01:06] <Crazed> isnt there a way to fix it ?
[01:07] <scrizt> why do "sudo lpadmin" fail with permission denied ? seems strange that root can't add a printer queue :|
[01:07] <_w^x_> I'm not do'n any jav
[01:07] <_w^x_> *java
[01:08] <_w^x_> LAMP ajax, css, xhtml is all
[01:09] <Werdna> hi guys
[01:09] <Werdna> I'm having trouble setting up freenx on Dapper
[01:09] <mcphail> Crazed: does rebooting with "sudo shutdown -F -r now" help?
[01:09] <Crazed> ehm ?
[01:09] <Crazed> dont know
[01:09] <Crazed> will try
[01:09] <Jhair> _w^x_: OK, then try vi
[01:10] <mcphail> Crazed: it will probably sort itself out after a proper fsck
[01:10] <Marsmensch> hmmm i updated my other computer now i get an error message, during printing: Quota limit reached.
[01:10] <Crazed> only perform a fsck ?
[01:11] <mcphail> Crazed: that command will reboot and do a fsck before mounting the disks
[01:11] <Crazed> well it asks for manual chk
[01:11] <Crazed> so think I have to do it at that moment ?
[01:11] <kris> anyone out there with glue about amarok and libvisuals?
[01:12] <Tarandus> What should I do if X (xlsfonts) refuses to see xfonts-dosemu, or any of its fonts as installed?
[01:13] <Tarandus> The path where they get installed is erroneously an old path, but even after adding that to xorg.conf I can't see the fonts
[01:13] <Tarandus> What does one generally do to add .pcf fonts to X?
[01:14] <J_P> hi all
[01:15] <ynef> Tarandus: this might be of help: http://anakin.ncst.ernet.in/~aparna/consolidated/x1092.html
[01:16] <scrizt> Is there anywhere to get help with cups under ubuntu ?
[01:18] <solstice> hi. i ahve edited /etc/crypttab and /etc/fstab but i still have that popup when i login that prompt for a passwd but freeze after that. may be because cryptsetup in ubuntu bgus me ftwo times for a passwd in CLI ?
[01:18] <jrib> scrizt: we can only tell after you ask your real question :)
[01:19] <Ych> yaaay
[01:19] <scrizt> jrib: scrizt@dosmas:~$ sudo lpadmin -p C552n-default -i /usr/lexprint/etc/model/lexprintmodel
[01:19] <scrizt> lpadmin: Unable to copy interface script - Permission denied!
[01:19] <solstice> ah the update manager to have crashed :-( nice ubuntu
[01:19] <solstice> +seems
[01:20] <solstice> no :-) just minimzied /o\
[01:21] <NFY> I need help reinstalling GRUB. is there a way or do I have to reinstall the whole thing again?
[01:21] <rivanvx> NFY: grub-install?
[01:22] <ynef> NFY: why do you need to reinstall it? did you remove some of its files?
[01:22] <NFY> thx  rivanvx :)
[01:22] <Werdna> apparently nobody knows.
[01:22] <IAskew> if u mess about editing your boot list, do u just need to run grub-install afterward?
[01:23] <ynef> IAskew: yup
[01:23] <IAskew> thx ynef
[01:23] <jrib> scrizt: I meant to just ask the channel.  I don't know anything about using lpadmin.  Did system > administration > printing not work for you?
[01:23] <NFY> no, I had to reinstall windows and grub is gone.
[01:23] <gean> hi all
[01:23] <jrib> !grub > NFY
[01:23] <Ych> hi
[01:23] <scrizt> jrib, i dont know how to specify a SysV-style interface with the controlpanel ..
[01:24] <ynef> gean: hi
[01:24] <IAskew> !grub > IAskew
[01:24] <IAskew> i love that bot
[01:24] <kris> IAskew: me2
[01:25] <NFY> !grub I tried this and "permission denied"
[01:25] <ubotu> I know nothing about grub I tried this and "permission denied" - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[01:25] <ynef> !grub > ynef
[01:26] <kris> !grub > NFY
[01:26] <ynef> kris: not particularly helpful, since he just did that
[01:26] <kris> ynef: ok. your right - soryy
[01:27] <kris> wont't happen again :-)
[01:27] <ynef> NFY: at what point do you get that message?
[01:27] <NFY> btw, I cant get back to the install, atm I'm running direct from CD.
[01:27] <NFY> directly after hitting enter.
[01:28] <ynef> NFY: ...and what did you write before hitting enter?
[01:28] <IAskew> NFY, have u typed 'rescue' at the prompt when u boot etc?
[01:29] <Tarandus> There is something wrong with xfonts-dosemu
[01:29] <Tarandus> It installs 4 fonts, but the size of the pcf.gz files is 20 bytes
[01:29] <Tarandus> No kilobytes or anything, I checked it, but 20 bytes
[01:30] <ynef> Tarandus: it sounds weird -- can you unpack it?
[01:31] <Tarandus> Adept says that the files are all 20 bytes long
[01:31] <kris> NFY: btw - you can tell your mswindows bootloader to boot ubuntu
[01:31] <NFY> how can I boot via windows boot?
[01:32] <Tarandus> Unpacked, their size is zero
[01:32] <ynef> Tarandus: now that *is* weird :(
[01:32] <Tarandus> xfonts-dosemu 1.1.1-3build1 from multiverse/x11
[01:32] <Tarandus> No, 1.2.2-3build1 I mean
[01:32] <edgy> Hi, I added a ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/lib/mailman/cgi-bin/ to make my lists.domain.com/mailman works but I want lists.domain.com to be an alias instead what shall I do, please?
[01:33] <NFY> just make a new option with the HDAx as the way to boot?
[01:33] <daunt> hello
[01:33] <daunt> looks like loadkeys is borked on my ubuntu (dapper) .. anyone know of a fix?
[01:33] <NFY> I'll try a few things I found here. of not I'll be bak. thanks guys :)
[01:33] <_w^x_> damn it, I got TVtime working, I have a Conexant CX23880. My audio is not working. I have checked all the mixer settings, checked TVtime's audio settings and still no sound
[01:34] <sjk> I'm trying to install Kubuntu on a mac powerbook G3. I'm having trouble installing the boot loader though. Would it be a bad idea to "reformat" the -entire- disk (including boot space)?
[01:34] <sjk> There's a 32.3KB partition, format "apple". Also, the installer makes the boot partition 1 meg. Isn't that a -tad- bit too small?
[01:35] <kris> Anyone out there who has amrok with libvisuals0.2 running?
[01:36] <scrizt> argh! who are packaging cups for ubuntu ?
[01:36] <Werdna> anybody here know about freenx on Ubuntu?
[01:37] <Werdna> dapper
[01:37] <ab0rted> can someone please help me?, I'm buying a new cam, but I want one that ubuntu supports, any suggestions please?
[01:37] <mcphail> ab0rted: most Canons deem fine
[01:37] <mcphail> *seem
[01:38] <Tarandus> I assume I should not file bugs against multiverse packages.  Am I correct?
[01:38] <ab0rted> mcphail, how do I know to get the right one?
[01:38] <neutrinomass> Tarandus: Nah, you should.... especially if it's a packaging issue...
[01:38] <Tarandus> Ok, doing that immediately
[01:39] <neutrinomass> Tarandus: If it's a functionality bug though, you hopefully understand that the chances of getting it fixed are slim
[01:39] <ab0rted> mcphail, thanks anyways, I will check a few
[01:39] <mcphail> ab0rted: i don't know of any hardware lists which are very up to date. What sort of camera are you looking for?
[01:40] <ab0rted> mcphail, well I'm looking for a digital cam similar to the one I have
[01:40] <ynef> ##python
[01:40] <ynef> oops
[01:40] <ynef> :-)
[01:40] <mcphail> ab0rted: which is...
[01:41] <ab0rted> mcphail, Digital camera/webcam
[01:41] <bret> hi
[01:41] <ab0rted> mcphail, a few dont have that feature
[01:41] <ab0rted> ;s
[01:42] <IAskew> in the grub instructions, is says 'type $ grub-install /dev/hdaX where X is your Ubuntu root install'. Does this mean type hdc1 where xp resides or hdc3 where linux is?
[01:42] <Kit^> I'm having trouble installing ubuntu on my laptop could anyone help?
[01:42] <ab0rted> mcphail, I dont know how to explain my cam, It didnt come with an instruction manual or any sort of drivers, cheap $25 ;s
[01:43] <ab0rted> maybe the guy i bought it from stole it
[01:43] <ab0rted> i dunno
[01:43] <ab0rted> ;s
[01:43] <mcphail> ab0rted: you need to buy a better camera ;p
[01:43] <ab0rted> mcphail, yes i do
[01:43] <mcphail> ab0rted: i have never used a webcam in ubuntu
[01:43] <mcphail> ab0rted: i don't know what support is like
[01:44] <llama32> i have a tooltip that won't go away from a konqueror window i closed... i tried xkill but it just did nothing... how do i get rid of it?
[01:44] <mcphail> ab0rted: but my advice would be to but a separate camera and webcam
[01:44] <lucas> webcams in ubuntu work fine if supported by linux
[01:44] <lucas> spca5xx ones work very well for example
[01:44] <ab0rted> mcphail, I want to plug it in and running, I have been looking for drivers for this cam for *nix
[01:44] <ab0rted> and nothing
[01:45] <mcphail> ab0rted: most _decent_ cameras are supported. A $25 novelty is less likely
[01:45] <Kit^> i tried installing ubuntu and click install from text not OEM but when i do this it loads the files and then slowly my screen starts going white. which i dont understand it also does this when trying to install debian using the netinstall, but not if i try installing windows. Has anyone got any idea of how i can fix the problem/??
[01:45] <mcphail> ab0rted: if the worst comes to the worst, you could always use a card reader to get your photos
[01:46] <IAskew> in the grub instructions, is says 'type: 'grub-install /dev/hdaX' where X is your Ubuntu root install'. Does this mean type hdc1 where xp resides or hdc3 where linux is?
[01:46] <ab0rted> mcphail, but I also want to use it as webcam
[01:46] <gean> by the way: Ubuntu-Linux scripting Q: All the years the command :  find . -name *.tex was ok, i got all tex-files in the . dir, but now i get some error m ess: find: paths must precede expression // Usage: find [-H]  [-L]  [-P]  [path...]  [expression]  ; Hmm.. What's wrong there ?!
[01:47] <mcphail> ab0rted: as i said, i have no experience of such things. Sorry
[01:47] <ab0rted> mcphail, anyways, thanks for the help, I'll check Cannon cams
[01:47] <mcphail> ab0rted: they are excellent cameras
[01:47] <Stormx2> heya everyone, whats up?
[01:48] <Flamekebab> I'm in the UK and I need a PCMCIA wireless card that will work OOTB with X/Ubuntu, as cheap as possible, any help?
[01:48] <zipper_> I'm having some trouble installing kubuntu on my asus a6r laptop. Basicly the installer won't even boot up in "safe grafics mode". It just stalls at "Uncompressing linux... Ok, booting the kernel". What to do?
[01:49] <IAskew> can anybody answer my question about grub-install?
[01:49] <gatekeeper> anyone know how to modify the port number on xchat (where have they hidden it)?
[01:49] <IdleOne> IAskew, where linux is
[01:49] <mcphail> Flamekebab: most cheap UK cards use broadcom chips. When i used one, i needed ndiswrapper but i think this may have changed
[01:49] <IAskew> so hdc3 rather than hdc1 where xp is?
[01:49] <Kit^> zipper_: thats oudns similar to me like hwen i tryt installing ubuntu it shows that line and then my screen slowly turns white!!
[01:49] <IAskew> IdleOne,
[01:50] <zipper_> Kit^, mine doesnt turn white, it just stalls there
[01:50] <Flamekebab> mcphail, http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/wireless/ - is that a reasonable price?
[01:50] <Flamekebab> I have wireless working on this laptop using NDISWrapper, but I'd rather not have to mess with all that sort of thing if at all possible
[01:50] <Kit^> zipper_ seems to be stalling at the same point - mines an old mesh laptop
[01:51] <Flamekebab> the only reason I succeeded with this laptop is due to another linux user with exactly the same lappy created a step-by-step idiots' guide
[01:51] <mcphail> Flamekebab: if the card genuinely uses a ralink chipset then it is a good price. But I have a card very similar to that one and it is broadcom :(
[01:51] <zipper_> Kit^, it's wierd, i've read about people having trouble with the soundcard in my laptop with (k)ubuntu, but that means they actually managed to install it
[01:51] <zipper_> if i could only get that far
[01:52] <solstice>  /etc/init.dcryptdisks show up a [OK]  but no crypted partitions are mounted. how could i know what's wrong
[01:52] <Flamekebab> mcphail, well they claim it works OOTB with Ubuntu
[01:52] <Kit^> zipper_ yeh same if only i could get far enough for it actually to install
[01:52] <Flamekebab> I have other wireless cards by Belkin which don't seem to work OOTB
[01:52] <Flamekebab> but I've not tried the PCMCIA variants
[01:53] <mcphail> Flamekebab: if the website claims it is ralink and it turns out not to be, you would be within your rights for a refund
[01:53] <Flamekebab> schwing!
[01:53] <Flamekebab> ehe
[01:53] <alphanaut> well hello everyone
[01:54] <IdleOne> solstice, whats the problem?
[01:54] <kris> solstice: in this case try www.google.com
[01:54] <alphanaut> I can't get my XQL/Compiz to work
[01:54] <scrizt> its boring to go googling when the problem is ubuntu-specific :/
[01:54] <Godsey> I'm new, could someone point me to where I'll find Ubuntu Server for download?  I've found launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-server/
[01:54] <alphanaut> I did it once, but then I upgraded the kernel
[01:54] <Flamekebab> mcphail, I've found a nice little Toshiba 3490CT on eBay and another friend of mine recently got his mitts on one. He's got Xubuntu on it and tells me it runs wonderfully. Suspend/hibernate also seems to work on it. It's a really small laptop too, about the size of a small text-book, so I'm going to get one for Uni, but being a poor student, I need a cheap wireless card
[01:55] <snoops> then you'll want to go to #ubuntu-xgl alphanaut, which is a dedicated room for xgl/compiz in ubuntu
[01:55] <alphanaut> Godsey, www.distrowatch.com
[01:55] <alphanaut> thx snoops
[01:55] <zipper_> Kit^, you could try using the text-based installer instead, since your problem may or may not be related to your gfxcard. I dont think my problem is gfx based though
[01:55] <Godsey> Flamekebab: I am about to put it on a Dell L400 (3lb)
[01:55] <IAskew> Godsey, http://www.ubuntu.com/download
[01:55] <Flamekebab> Godsey, what's that in kilos?
[01:55] <mcphail> Flamekebab: 21 quid seems ok to me
[01:55] <Flamekebab> sounds good
[01:56] <Godsey> humm 3*2.2 so 6.6kilos
[01:56] <Godsey> kilograms
[01:56] <Flamekebab> 6.6 kilos?!
[01:56] <Godsey> er no
[01:56] <Flamekebab> hehe
[01:56] <Godsey> er wait :)
[01:56] <Flamekebab> I was going to say!
[01:56] <Godsey> is it 3/2.2? :)
[01:56] <Flamekebab> I think so
[01:56] <snoops> alphanaut may need to wait a bit after explaining your problem in as much detail as possible.. not a lot of people.. they check when they can
[01:56] <Godsey> 1.35 or so
[01:56] <Flamekebab> nice
[01:57] <Gun_Smoke> I have 3 computer in my house.. 2 wireless and 1 wired.. How can I get them all to share files?
[01:57] <Flamekebab> I think this one is around 1.5 kilos
[01:57] <snoops> Gun_Smoke are they all running linux?
[01:57] <Gun_Smoke> Snoops, no.
[01:57] <Kit^> zipper_ i tried using the text based one that was the one i was running and it happened!!
[01:57] <Godsey> IAskew: So I follow the links for Ubuntu 6.06 LTS to get to Server? I guess I was expecting to see another set of links :)
[01:57] <snoops> okay, nfs is out then.. so samba
[01:58] <IAskew> where are you based Godsey ?
[01:58] <alphanaut> Does Ubuntu/debian any Directory-service like Fedora/redhat?
[01:58] <effendi> hello
[01:58] <Gun_Smoke> 1 window, 1 OS X, 1 Linux
[01:58] <Godsey> I'm in Syracuse, NY but downloading to Seattle.
[01:58] <Godsey> I'll try the pdx mirror
[01:58] <Flamekebab> the awesome thing about the laptop I'll be getting is the fact that another local linux geek has it and so has done the leg-work for me!
[01:58] <zipper_> Kit^, dunno then
[01:58] <Flamekebab> I mean, I could do it on my own, but I've enough on my mind as it is
[01:59] <Godsey> going to try installing as a xenU host
[01:59] <Pirate_D> Hey gang. Can someone point me to were I can find doc's on how to install applications?
[01:59] <snoops> Gun_Smoke, yep.. samba.. it's built into ubuntu.. go system>administration>shared folders to add them
[01:59] <Godsey> I have a feeling I'll have to install under vmware on my desktop and make a tar of the disk image
[02:00] <snoops> then other pcs should be able to see the share by going (for win) \\ubuntupcname\sharename  (osx and linux) //computername/sharename
[02:00] <zipper_> Pirate_D, you wanna look into the application for installing packages, "Synaptic Package Manager"
[02:00] <Kit^> zipper_ tis strange
[02:00] <snoops> os x has its own samba sharing system.. check in settings
[02:02] <jrib> !synaptic > Pirate_D
[02:02] <snoops> and windows uses samba anyway.. so in windows just right click a folder then properties, then sharing.. if that's not there you'll need to untick use simple file sharing from explorer>tools>folder options>view untick it, and well then you're pretty set
[02:03] <Godsey> is it possible for me to install a Debian 3.1 xen image and upgrade it to ubuntu server?
[02:03] <zipper_> I'm having some trouble installing kubuntu on my asus a6r laptop. Basicly the installer won't even boot up in "safe grafics mode". It just stalls at "Uncompressing linux... Ok, booting the kernel". What to do?
[02:03] <acojlo> I have problem with evolution: when I start it it gives me "welcome" screen with options to create account, but I have already set evolution and there is ~/.evolution folder with all the data
[02:03] <Gun_Smoke> snoops:  Thanks.. I'll be giving it a try.. I'll let you know if I run into any hangups.
[02:03] <Stormx2> How can I check what video card I have? ;_;
[02:04] <jrib> Stormx2: lspci
[02:04] <kris> Stormx2: lsmod and lspci is a good point to start
[02:05] <kris> !lspci > Stormx2
[02:05] <ubotu> I know nothing about lspci  - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:05] <Stormx2> nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro]  (rev 15) <-- I guess that doesn't support XGL :'(
[02:05] <rsk> Stormx2: it does
[02:05] <Stormx2> oh? OK
[02:05] <zanpakuto> hello, during install you can select manual partitioning. what is the command of that partitioning program?
[02:05] <Stormx2> ^.^
[02:06] <iron[work] > hello
[02:06] <Gun_Smoke> snoops:  I've set up 2 shared folders.. smb and nfs.. Now from osx to locate the folder what do I need to do?
[02:06] <snoops> Stormx2 wouldn't put much faith in it though
[02:06] <kris> zanpakuto: cfdisk as far as I remember
[02:06] <snoops> Gun_Smoke umm in finder I think you can choose network?
[02:07] <kris> !cfdisk > kris
[02:07] <ubotu> I know nothing about cfdisk  - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:07] <Stormx2> snoops: Why not
[02:07] <snoops> and select your ubuntu pc from that
[02:07] <snoops> Stormx2 because of the age of the card
[02:07] <snoops> it's gonna run slow I guess is what I'm getting at
[02:07] <Gun_Smoke> snoops:  It's not listed.
[02:08] <snoops> Gun_Smoke okay, well I have little experience with os x.. so from windows..
[02:08] <Flamekebab> cheerio, guys
[02:08] <snoops> in the address bar for explorer.. \\ubuntupcname\sharename
[02:08] <zanpakuto> hmmm.... seems not cfdisk
[02:08] <snoops> obiviously replacing those with the relevant ones
[02:09] <kris> zanpakuto: at least you can partion your hd with that
[02:09] <zipper_> Does (k)ubuntu come with ati drivers in any form? As in, could my ati 200m be the reason the installer does not boot up?
[02:09] <nelso1> I don't have sound on xawtv. Only noise..
[02:09] <nelso1> what is the problem?
[02:10] <acojlo> problem with evolution - account gone, but they are in ~/.evolution
[02:10] <zanpakuto> kris, yup. I just like the partitioning interface during install. :)
[02:10] <Stormx2> snoops: XD OK.
[02:11] <NineTeen67Comet> Anyone in here running three monitors? (I've got a pci dual head and an agp dual head card and no matter how I config it I can only run two monitors at a time. Either one on each card, or both off the agp card) ..
[02:11] <A[D] minS> !sophos
[02:11] <ubotu> I know nothing about sophos - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:11] <iron[work] > !mdf2iso
[02:11] <ubotu> I know nothing about mdf2iso - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:11] <hellokthulu> hey!
[02:12] <A[D] minS> Guys can i know " if sophos can work with ubuntu or not? "
[02:12] <xelados> I've installed Frostwire, but it needs Java to run. Is there a package I can apt-get, or do I have to install JRE from Sun's site?
[02:12] <snoops> NineTeen67Comet yeah you can do it.. I've seen it.. umm search for triple monitor in ubuntu forums I guess?
[02:12] <xelados> I tried java-common, but it didn't make frostwire work
[02:12] <mopflite> A[D] minS: sophos is an a/v software solution for windows machines, is it not?
[02:12] <hellokthulu> hey -- how do I find out/configure which video card X thinks I have?  It's not *quite* rght out of the box...
[02:13] <A[D] minS> mopflite, linux  too
[02:13] <Gun_Smoke> snoops:  That didn't work either
[02:13] <mopflite> really?
[02:13] <hellokthulu> xelados: I got Automatix, and used that to get Java
[02:13] <A[D] minS> mopflite, yes
[02:14] <xelados> synaptic didn't return any results for "automatix"
[02:14] <NineTeen67Comet> snoops: Yeah ran down that gauntlet last night .. Googled my brains out today, and no luck. I've found a few xorg.conf files and tried to adapt them here and there but it's still elusive. I've got three new 19" Widescreen LCD monitors coming in the mail .. hopefully I can get it fired up before they arrive .. lol
[02:14] <snoops> try by ip address Gun_Smoke
[02:14] <sk> any suggestions for a webradio client (something like streamtuner with an integrated player)?
[02:14] <hellokthulu> xelados: http://www.getautomatix.com/
[02:14] <alphanaut> is there any grafic tool for grub?
[02:14] <Gun_Smoke> snoops: How can I find out each machines IP?
[02:15] <threat2> where is there deb package that allows me to watch encrypted DVDs?
[02:15] <alphanaut> Gun_Smoke, xterm: # ifconfig
[02:15] <alphanaut> is there any grafic tool for grub?
[02:15] <ych> yay
[02:15] <ych> true dualview
[02:15] <threat2> where is libdvdcss?
[02:15] <acojlo> is firestarter just 'configurator' for iptables or it need to be 'resident' in memory?
[02:15] <jrib> !dvd
[02:15] <ubotu> See http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html.  I haven't noticed that
[02:17] <xelados> hellokthulu: Thanks for that link. This should help
[02:17] <xelados> :D
[02:17] <hellokthulu> np
[02:18] <I_Dont_Like_Nazi> mwe: Its just that wlan0 isn't starting up, it says no such device
[02:18] <mwe> alphanaut: the syntax is a little different but I don't think it's harder
[02:18] <I_Dont_Like_Nazi> all of my linux friends are having a very rough time with it
[02:18] <alphanaut> mwe, what I need to do is removing the old kernels
[02:18] <SeanTater> I_Dont_Like_Nazi: tried modprobe ndiswrapper ?
[02:18] <I_Dont_Like_Nazi> ever heard of this problem?
[02:18] <I_Dont_Like_Nazi> yes
[02:18] <alphanaut> mwe, do you know how?
[02:18] <I_Dont_Like_Nazi> then ndiswrapper -m for startup
[02:18] <mwe> alphanaut: uninstall them from the system and run sudo update-grub
[02:18] <alphanaut> oh..
[02:18] <alphanaut> ok
[02:18] <mwe> alphanaut: or gksudo gedit /etc/grub/menu.lst
[02:19] <b_> can someone tell me what is the difference between unix and linux, clam av is a antivirus scanner for unix but it can run on ubuntu linux, why am i so confused
[02:19] <mwe> alphanaut: and remove the entries
[02:19] <I_Dont_Like_Nazi> ideas why wlan0 wont startup, and is called "Device not found"?
[02:19] <mwe> I_Dont_Like_Nazi: does it show with ifconfig or ifconfig -a?
[02:19] <I_Dont_Like_Nazi> b_: Command line is one thing thats dif
[02:19] <I_Dont_Like_Nazi> it does show ifconfig
[02:19] <Stormx2> OK, X didn't boot with the nvidia drivers :(
[02:19] <I_Dont_Like_Nazi> it shows lo and lan0
[02:20] <Gun_Smoke> snoops:  I don't know where to find ipconfig for windows... I don't use them much.
[02:20] <I_Dont_Like_Nazi> and iwconfig shows no wireless extensions for 2 of them
[02:20] <alphanaut> mwe, Im on Drapper drake, so my menu.lst is in /boot/grub/
[02:20] <mwe> I_Dont_Like_Nazi: well are you using WEP or WPA?
[02:20] <I_Dont_Like_Nazi> nope
[02:20] <b_> um ok still kinda confused
[02:20] <b_> so whats the difference, is unix linix
[02:20] <mwe> I_Dont_Like_Nazi: two of them? which ones?
[02:20] <I_Dont_Like_Nazi> um... lo and eth0 i think?
[02:20] <hellokthulu> in windows it's "ipconfig"
[02:20] <mwe> alphanaut: yeah sorry
[02:20] <xelados> b_: Linux is a derivative of UNIX.
[02:20] <snoops> Gun_Smoke start>run>cmd
[02:20] <I_Dont_Like_Nazi> w/e the defaults are
[02:21] <mjr> b_, Linux is an Unix-like operating system
[02:21] <mwe> alphanaut: it's the same in breezy
[02:21] <I_Dont_Like_Nazi> i am on kanotix, but i felt like asking people who spoke english, ya know?
[02:21] <mjr> b_, it's not officially Unix(TM), not having been certified, but "close enough"
[02:21] <xelados> gpg: requesting key 2F306651 from hkp server subkeys.pgp.net
[02:21] <zipper_> I'm having some trouble installing kubuntu on my asus a6r laptop. Basicly the installer won't even boot up in "safe grafics mode". It just stalls at "Uncompressing linux... Ok, booting the kernel". Anyone have any suggestions?
[02:21] <xelados> And it's lagging
[02:21] <xelados> :\
[02:21] <I_Dont_Like_Nazi> kanotix = form of knoppix, (just in case you didnt know)
[02:21] <mjr> b_, and as for AV for Unix, they've just named their product generically
[02:22] <mjr> (and a bit inaccurately)
[02:22] <alphanaut> mwe, How do I install the modifyed menu.lst? Or is it just activated?
[02:22] <I_Dont_Like_Nazi> poor mwe, he has to help everyone at once
[02:22] <mwe> alphanaut: it works at next boot
[02:22] <b_> ic
[02:22] <I_Dont_Like_Nazi> leave the dude alone
[02:22] <Gun_Smoke> snoops:  thanks, now to connect via ip, can I just put it in the explored menu bar?
[02:22] <alphanaut> mwe, oh... nicew
[02:22] <b_> thank you
[02:22] <mwe> alphanaut: yeah. make a backup before editing it though
[02:22] <snoops> Gun_Smoke yep... how are they networked? Are they all on the same subnet?
[02:23] <Gun_Smoke> dunno
[02:23] <Gun_Smoke> much about it all.
[02:23] <alphanaut> mwe, yeah. But if I cant boot linux after reboot?
[02:23] <SeanTater> b_: actually, searching linux unix or bsd on wikipedia will help solve that
[02:23] <horrork> Is this the correct way to pass arg to time: time -o data.dat longProgram
[02:23] <kingruedi> hi
[02:23] <SeanTater> b_: they each have a diagram showing thier replation
[02:23] <horrork> Because it is not working.
[02:23] <mwe> alphanaut: restore the backup from a live cd
[02:23] <SeanTater> b_: /relation/
[02:23] <hellokthulu> So, what's the modern version of Xconfigurator or XF86Setup so I can tweak my X11 setup?
[02:24] <alphanaut> hm.. ok mwe
[02:24] <I_Dont_Like_Nazi> mwe: So any ideas why no device is found?
[02:24] <xelados> wow
[02:24] <mwe> alphanaut: paste the new menu.lst at paste.ubuntu-nl.org and I'll look at it if you worried
[02:24] <xelados> Look at all the extra repos on my sources list
[02:24] <SeanTater> b_: Linux, although like Unix, actually has no code whatsoever from it.
[02:24] <xelados> :O
[02:24] <mwe> I_Dont_Like_Nazi: I can't help you with kanotix
[02:24] <horrork> Is this the correct way to pass arg to time: time -o data.dat longProgram?
[02:25] <mwe> I_Dont_Like_Nazi: sudo ifconfig wlan0 up && sudo dhclient wlan0 probably
[02:25] <alphanaut> mwe, done
[02:26] <mwe> alphanaut: URL?
[02:26] <I_Dont_Like_Nazi> mwe: ok, i'll try that, thanks
[02:26] <mwe> alphanaut: paste.ubuntu-nl.org/12345 or something like that
[02:26] <alphanaut> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/20277 : or click in the latest
[02:27] <Gun_Smoke> snoops:  the explorer crashes each time. lol
[02:28] <snoops> Gun_Smoke how are the pc's networked?
[02:28] <mwe> alphanaut: it seems like it would work. you still have an old kernel there though
[02:28] <mwe> alphanaut: the -18 one
[02:28] <alphanaut> yes, the first
[02:28] <snoops> Gun_Smoke can they ping each other?
[02:28] <alphanaut> should I remove it?
[02:28] <Gun_Smoke> I don't know
[02:28] <mwe> alphanaut: if you don't need it
[02:29] <alphanaut> well XGL/Copmiz works(?) on it..
[02:29] <mwe> alphanaut: just sudo apt-get remove the kernels you don't need
[02:29] <Gun_Smoke> They run off the same router, 2 a wireless connections and 1 is wired
[02:29] <horrork> Is this the correct way to pass arg to time: time -o data.dat longProgram?
[02:29] <Trae> http://pastebin.ca/126383   <-- could someone please tell me if that is a bad idea for my sources.list?  If they are in disaccord or something?
[02:29] <snoops> should discover if they can ping each other first.. disable windows firewalls.
[02:30] <alphanaut> mwe, brb reboot
[02:30] <Trae> err, sorry forgot to say please
[02:30] <mwe> Trae: it looks ok
[02:30] <Trae> :)
[02:30] <Trae> mwe ok thanks.... I just want to make sure I wasn't doing anything stupid
[02:30] <larsemil> ive always followed this link http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide when updating my ati-driver. this time it does not work, even though i am doing exactly as it says.
[02:31] <mwe> Trae: the default mirrors have been somewhat slow lately thogh
[02:31] <horrork> Is this the correct way to pass arg to time: $ time -o data.dat longProgram?
[02:31] <Trae> mwe nod
[02:31] <Gun_Smoke> snoops:  Okay
[02:31] <mwe> Trae: I'm using a mirror. it's way faster
[02:31] <Trae> I think there is something wrong with the flash that comes with RestrictedFormats
[02:32] <Trae> that Automatix is just wrong
[02:32] <Trae> it made all apps crash left and right
[02:32] <mwe> Trae: there is something wrong with the flash player for linux. it's old
[02:32] <longwave> horrork: my "time" does not support the -o switch, you just use "time longProgram" and it outputs the timing results at the end
[02:33] <alphanaut> mwe, well It worked thx :D
[02:33] <Trae> Automatix had Xchat dying, FF dying... and other apps just randomly crappying out
[02:33] <mwe> alphanaut: yw
[02:33] <Trae> :(
[02:33] <longwave> automatix is not supported and can cause some ubuntu apps to break, people in here generally do not recommend using it
[02:33] <mwe> Trae: automatix is dangorous to use
[02:33] <Trae> Mark should set up a "Buy proprietary formats repo" or something
[02:34] <Trae> mwe had to nuke and reinstall
[02:34] <Trae> I'd pay Canonical for mp3 support that was stable and tested
[02:34] <Trae> and all the video codecs stuff
[02:34] <longwave> they would offer mp3 and other codec support if they could
[02:34] <longwave> but for legal reasons it really isn't possible
[02:34] <RancidPickle> what about easyubuntu as opposed to automatix?
[02:35] <Trae> longwave I know... license it and let us buy it
[02:35] <Trae> longwave for AFTER we've installed
[02:35] <Trae> so we don't taint the system
[02:35] <longwave> easyubuntu is slightly more reliable than automatix, but still there is a chance it may break your system
[02:35] <Trae> nod
[02:35] <longwave> !easyubuntu
[02:35] <ubotu> EasyUbuntu is a script that automates installation of some items. Use at your own risk. See http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ ; for help and or discussions about EasyUbuntu please join #easyubuntu.
[02:35] <drbreen> Trae: gstreamer _has_ legal mp3 support through fluendo ?
[02:35] <Trae> I don't want to break my ubuntu
[02:35] <Gentleman> hi
[02:35] <RancidPickle> thx
[02:35] <spacy_> Hi. I wanted to share a folder on my notebook (Ubuntu) with my desktop (WinXP) pc.
[02:36] <longwave> !samba
[02:36] <ubotu> samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[02:36] <spacy_> but when I want to acces my nb with smb://notebooksname
[02:36] <Trae> yeah, the wiki restricted formats usually works fine enough
[02:36] <Trae> but the flash has been nasty and causes issues so I might just hold off.  The sad thing is... every site on the planet has flash
[02:36] <Gentleman> hi, how much diskspace would a normal install of ubuntu take?
[02:36] <spacy_> I wanted it to work the easy way, though
[02:37] <Trae> anyhoo, tx for your time guys
[02:37] <Trae> mwe tx
[02:37] <Howitzer> How do i get file-roller to support 7z archives?
[02:37] <Trae> bbiab to lurk when I get my xchat set up
[02:37] <Trae> heh
[02:37] <Howitzer> nvm
[02:37] <jrib> !7z
[02:37] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with file-roller (gnome) or ark (kde)
[02:37] <jrib> arg
[02:37] <Howitzer> note they can't be opened by default
[02:37] <Howitzer> you need to install p7zip first
[02:37] <longwave> Gentleman: under 2Gb if you install the standard set of packages
[02:37] <Gentleman> THANKS
[02:38] <noskule> hi, is it possible to install ubuntu from a (k)ubuntu-desktop cd without installing a bootloader?
[02:38] <Howitzer> Gentleman, don't try it!!!
[02:38] <Gentleman> a lot
[02:38] <Gentleman> ??
[02:38] <Howitzer> i installed the Ubuntu root partition once on a 2gb partition
[02:38] <Gentleman> aha?
[02:38] <Howitzer> after a day, i had to reinstall because i had no space left
[02:38] <Howitzer> i would say about 3 to 4 gb
[02:39] <Gentleman> yea, but with all the things you need to work i think
[02:39] <Gentleman> or?
[02:39] <Howitzer> what do you mean?
[02:39] <Gentleman> mozilla, thunderbird, office etc
[02:40] <IAskew> my current install is 4.4gb but that is including kubuntu/xubuntu etc
[02:40] <Howitzer> mine is about that size too
[02:40] <Howitzer> installed kubuntu and xubuntu
[02:40] <Gentleman> i just need ubuntu
[02:40] <Gentleman> ;)
[02:40] <Gentleman> whats faster kubuntu or ubuntu ?
[02:41] <J4t> xubuntu is a lil bit faster
[02:41] <Howitzer> need to get rid of it though, these Nvidia drivers in combination with my 6600GT gives me a nasty bug on all non-Gnome WM's :(
[02:41] <Gentleman> i know, but i would prefer gnome or kde
[02:41] <Howitzer> i would suggest you try Ubuntu first
[02:41] <LinuxHelp>  Generally speaking, is it safe for two processes to write to a fifo file at the same time?
[02:41] <Gentleman> ok
[02:41] <Gentleman> i will do that
[02:41] <Howitzer> then you can always install kubuntu-desktop later
[02:42] <Gentleman> because my pc i a lil bit older, but i would prefer a gnome or kde desktop
[02:42] <Gentleman> :D
[02:42] <acojlo> "2 duplicate APIC table ignored" in dmesg. Problem?
[02:42] <Gentleman> don't know why, but xubuntu is a litle bit suspect; can't explain why
[02:42] <J4t> :)
[02:43] <J4t> its a matter of preference, really.. not much speed diff
[02:43] <Gentleman> ok
[02:43] <jrib> Gentleman: xfce is probably your best bet on an older pc, how much ram do you have?
[02:43] <Gentleman> hmm
[02:43] <acojlo> "MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC" Problem?
[02:43] <Gentleman> just a sec
[02:44] <Gentleman> 256
[02:44] <Gentleman> mb ram
[02:44] <jrib> Gentleman: I'd say that's on the border.  You can give kde or gnome a try, but if you feel it is kind of sluggish, then I would try out xfce
[02:45] <Gentleman> ok, so i will try the "classical" ubuntu and if it won't work i will try xubuntu
[02:45] <J4t> right on!
[02:45] <damo22> I just had a major harddisk failure.  I am wondering what steps i should take to set up a laptop so that my new harddisk isnt trashed unnecessarily..
[02:46] <Gentleman> my main prob is that i have to install win xp as well on my laptop and my HD has just 20 gb
[02:46] <jrib> Gentleman: yep, you can just install the xubuntu-desktop package to try it out, and you can even switch when you login depending on what you feel like using
[02:46] <J4t> harddisk failure generally doesnt have to do with operating system
[02:47] <J4t> that prolly wasnt the answer you wanted :)
[02:47] <Gentleman> yea... but it's a matter of space
[02:47] <Gentleman> :)
[02:47] <damo22> j4t, what about journalling file systems? dont they do unnecessary writes to the disk?
[02:47] <jrib> Gentleman: don't worry, soon you'll be deleting the windows xp partition :)
[02:47] <gandalfcome> how can i export out of a ps file a few pages into a new ps file, or better print pages from a ps with lpr? thanks for the help
[02:47] <Gentleman> yea i hope so, but i need win xp for school
[02:47] <J4t> damo22: not really.. if your drive cant handle journaling it would break soon anyways
[02:48] <bimberi> !away > Evan|away
[02:48] <damo22> j4t: ok, thanks.. i had a bad experience with xfs on a laptop, i dont recommend it to anyone
[02:48] <Gentleman> because i have to use special software and this requires win xp... i tried to run wine but thats too complicated for me
[02:49] <J4t> damo22: ok, havent used it myself.. ext3 all the way :)
[02:49] <damo22> yes ext3 has lasted the test of time, i should stick with it
[02:50] <J4t> :)
[02:50] <J4t> had problem with reiserfs earlier.. dunno if it was my fault or the fs :)
[02:51] <damo22> j4t: any ideas on how to install ubuntu to a usb stick? i successfully bootstrapped debian sid to one, but not sure how to convert to ubuntu
[02:51] <Gentleman> but i will try and maybe i will come back with a fresh installed ubuntu on laptop next week.. thanks for the support
[02:51] <J4t> damo22: sorry no, never had to so i never did ;)
[02:51] <damo22> j4t: i did because i was running without a hdd for a few days lol
[02:52] <J4t> hehe
[02:52] <damo22> yesterday i bought an 80gb seagate for my laptop
[02:53] <J4t> ok. if you use ext3 it prolly shouldnt make a problem :)
[02:54] <damo22> yes, but ext2 for boot partition ;)  unfortunately vmware doesnt support 3d accelleration so i still need partition for windoze
[02:55] <Stormx2`> Ack, someone please help me here! I used a script to install nvidia drivers, and they half work but I couldn't get XGL working. Problem is half the fonts don't show up and I don't know how to get back to rhe original restricted drivers :(
[02:55] <damo22> i wonder how rw support for ntfs is going..
[02:56] <easytiger> is anyone getting knotify crashing when using kopete in ubuntu(gnome)?
[02:56] <damo22> cant wait for the day i can safely put "rw" flag on lol
[02:56] <J4t> damo22: it works fine through fuse and some ntfs-stuff
[02:56] <J4t> knoppix 5 uses it
[02:56] <b_> i just installed clam av but its nowhere to be found on ubuntu menus- where should i look
[02:57] <keithhhhh> I like Ubuntu but I need windows and Im sick of dual booting.  Is it possible to run windows inside ubuntu and still use my current windows setup??
[02:57] <damo22> j4t: but i dont want to risk corrupting my main ntfs server
[02:57] <easytiger> i remember chmoding a friends 250GB ntfs external hardisk so i could write stuff to it. windows got real upset and refused to acknoldge it after that.
[02:57] <J4t> ok.. then you might want to wait a few months :)
[02:57] <_eckobar_> hi everybody.
[02:57] <damo22> j4t: yeah :)
[02:57] <jrojas> hi
[02:57] <J4t> easytiger: like 2months ago?
[02:57] <jrojas> somebody has used xvidcap ?
 bout 9 months ago
[02:58] <snoops> yes jrojas
[02:58] <Stormx2> >.<
[02:58] <glen_> keithhhhh, vmware
[02:58] <J4t> ok, but then there was no "full ntfs-write support" (tm)
[02:58] <keithhhhh> oh cool
[02:58] <b_> keith run ubuntu in windows using virtual pc or use vmware on either windows or ubuntu
[02:58] <easytiger> nope. opsie
[02:58] <snoops> keithhhhh you can use the ext2 driver for windows to see your ext3 partition that ubuntu uses
[02:58] <J4t> :)
[02:59] <_eckobar_> i have the following problem..... i want to ping my ubuntu computer, the ubuntu pc can ping the gateway,dns and all other computer in the net, BUT the ubuntu pc could not be pinged???? why?? i use ubuntu 6.06
[02:59] <damo22> easytiger: yes i have tested ntfs write support its still gay
[02:59] <_eckobar_> would be thankful for any help
[02:59] <solstice> cryptdisks fails to mount my crypted partition because ALL my partition (even the one not encrypted) are in /dev/mapper ! why ?
[02:59] <snoops> basically you just lose journalling from ext3 that way.. but best solution I've found
[02:59] <b_> how do i accsess the front-end for clamav
[02:59] <b_> ther is no menus showing clamav or the frontend
[02:59] <zsh> hi. will resizing the partition on which ubuntu is installed mess up anything???
 i've no need to use ntfs partitions. screw them!
[02:59] <J4t> is there even a frontend for clamav for gnome?
[03:00] <keithhhhh> b_ so I can go into ubuntu right now and install vmware and run windows inside ubuntu?
[03:00] <damo22> easytiger: unfortunately i need to run proper 3d stuff
[03:00] <glen_> keithhhhh, yes
[03:00] <b_> ummm i think so i just installed it
[03:00] <b_> yes keith
[03:00] <solstice> that's a bug of udev or what ?
[03:00] <J4t> b_: a frontend or just the package clamav?
[03:00] <dondong> hi,people,how to use 7zip for backup?
 its usually a bad idea to boot an actual disk partition in vmware.
[03:01] <b_> keith i use virtual pc to run ubuntus in windows
[03:01] <Jack_Sparrow> !backup
[03:01] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi
[03:01] <b_> j4t i installed clam and the frontend but i duno where to dfind it
[03:01] <b_> theres no menus and man clamav does not work
[03:01] <J4t> avscan - GTK frontend for the Clam AntiVirus scanner (ClamAV)
[03:01] <damo22> easytiger: i would happily reformat all windows machines and put ubuntu, if ati released ALL functionality of their drivers GPL
[03:01] <J4t> klamav - KDE frontend for ClamAV
[03:01] <J4t> any of those?
[03:01] <keithhhhh> glen thanks :D
[03:01] <keithhhhh> babo: just want to say hello or
[03:01] <keithhhhh> babo: are you Korean?
[03:01] <zsh> hi. will resizing the partition on which ubuntu is installed mess up anything???
[03:01] <b_> thats what i have installed avscan
[03:02] <Stormx2> Please can someone help me here... i need to remove the nvidia drivers a script installed and go back to the restricted ones....
[03:02] <J4t> ok, and avscan in terminal gives?
[03:02] <snoops> damo22 ha, I'd go completely amd and ati if amd opened a small subset of functionality of their drivers
[03:02] <b_> crap i forgot to try man avscan
[03:02] <b_> it works
[03:03] <Stormx2> :(
[03:03] <J4t> :)
[03:03] <Stormx2> I would REALLY appreciate it.
[03:03] <Jack_Sparrow> b_: are you trying to scan a windows drive or worried about virii in linux?
[03:03] <tanlaan> Can anyone help with the setting up of an iMac G3? I did the horizontal and vertical setting changes in xorg.conf, but when I attempted to restart gdm it failed to start. That and I also have a second question, for no reason that I can come up with, when I am in console 2 characters are being cut off the screen. This could be something like settings that have been changed without notice but I dont know.
[03:03] <damo22> snoops: yeah its so annoying, i wonder what it would take to reverse engineer an actual card
[03:04] <b_> i just want some sort of protection for linux, yes i know linux is basically virus free but i feel better with some protection even if its no on demand
[03:04] <snoops> damo22 have you emailed ati or amd and said you're all for open sourcing the drivers?
[03:04] <damo22> snoops: we should go into business making 3d cards with open source drivers
 it really is the most pointless thing on earth
[03:04] <damo22> snoops: people will buy our cards, just because of the drivers
[03:04] <b_> i also want to use clamav for email
[03:04] <Jack_Sparrow> agreed
[03:04] <snoops> damo22 there is already a project for that.. was on lug radio awhile ago
[03:05] <b_> yeah yeah whatever i could care less would linix folks have to say about antivirus for linux
[03:05] <easytiger> lol.
[03:05] <damo22> antivirus??? wtf u need that for on linux
[03:05] <Jack_Sparrow> Shows how I feel about him
[03:05] <Jack_Sparrow> damo22: window mentality
[03:05] <jrojas> how many virus exists for linux ?
[03:05] <Jack_Sparrow> !virus
[03:06] <ubotu> A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[03:06] <b_> damn i knew i would spark a fight with these people
[03:06] <b_> don;t get so offend people when i want av scanner
[03:06] <zipper_> I'm having some trouble installing kubuntu on my asus a6r (celeron m, ati 200m) laptop. Basicly the installer won't even boot up in "safe grafics mode". It just stalls at "Uncompressing linux... Ok, booting the kernel" / "Using hpet for high-res timesource" . Anyone have any suggestions?
[03:06] <damo22> yeah, lets run an extra service, scanning the hdd all the time to find windows viruses...
[03:06] <Wizardling> does anyone know where the xorg.conf file is in 6.06?
[03:06] <Jack_Sparrow> Antivirus companies feed on the paranoia of Windows uses even after they move to a safe os
[03:06] <Wizardling> it is not in /etc/x11/
[03:06] <tanlaan> Wixardling: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:07] <bimberi> Wizardling: /etc/X11/
[03:07] <b_> and linux but i don;t need to scan it allthe time just when i want so chill people with the damn antivirus cry baby shit
[03:07] <Wizardling> it does not exist
[03:07] <damo22> I wouldnt be surprised if Antivirus companies  MAKE the viruses
[03:07] <bimberi> Wizardling: capital X
[03:07] <Wizardling> both pico and vi open a blank (new) file
[03:07] <Jack_Sparrow> gksudo gedit  /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[03:07] <Wizardling> CAPITAL x?
[03:07] <tanlaan> Wizardling: try nano?
[03:07] <easytiger> windows security is a multi billion dollar industry
[03:07] <revo> hi, n00b to this, does the 'live CD' basically allow me to open the OS inside windows, allowing me to test for any faults that may happen with a complete installation?
[03:07] <tanlaan> Wizardling: yes capital
[03:07] <b_> yes it is
[03:07] <Wizardling> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1367159#post1367159 is the problem I'm having
[03:07] <bimberi> Wizardling: X not x
[03:07] <Wizardling> oh for fuck's sake
[03:07] <A[D] minS> !postfix
[03:07] <ubotu> postfix is the default Mail Transfer Agent (MTA) for Ubuntu. Read more about setting it up here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Postfix or here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PostfixBasicSetupHowto
[03:08] <Wizardling> well WHY did lowercase x work in 5.10?
 the live CD boots an actual OS on your computer. just like windows or an installed linux does
[03:08] <Wizardling> WTF?
[03:08] <snoops> revo not inside windows.. you boot off of the cd, and it loads itself into ram and uses the cd as a hdd
[03:08] <Wizardling> that is insane
[03:08] <tanlaan> Grr. I need help with my iMac :(
[03:08] <snoops> but yes, you can test out ubuntu as a fully working system from the live cd.. then if you like what you see.. you can double click the desktop install icon on the desktop of the live cd
[03:08] <Jack_Sparrow> revo please explain "test for any faults that may happen with a complete installation
[03:08] <damo22> snoops: i reckon the next big thing will be running an entire OS from flash memory
[03:08] <Stormx2> I need help with my stupid video drivers but meh >.< im trying to do it myself.
[03:08] <revo> oh ok, i think i get it, so can windows still be used, say, can I switch between the two OS's then?
[03:09] <Jack_Sparrow> no
[03:09] <gatekeeper> Wizardling, all *nix files/folders are case sensitive unlike windows
[03:09] <easytiger> well when you boot from the live CD it does not modify you hard disk
[03:09] <Wizardling> I don't use Windows
[03:09] <Stormx2> revo: nah, the live cd doesn't get housed in windows.
[03:09] <snoops> damo22 like how vista uses flash sticks as extra memory?
[03:09] <Jack_Sparrow> revo: boot to one or the other
[03:09] <Stormx2> revo: You have to put it into your disk drive and reboot
[03:09] <damo22> snoops: i dont know anything about vista
[03:09] <revo> Jack_Sparrow, i mean any hardware compatability issues
[03:09] <Jack_Sparrow> !hardware
[03:09] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[03:09] <tanlaan> Is there another ISO that doesnt have the live cd? Maybe It will work if I actually install it.
[03:09] <mwe> Wizardling: the config file has always been /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:09] <b_> you have to dual boot windows and ubuntu to switch from os to os unless you wanna restart and boot another
[03:09] <Wizardling> thanks. I'll give it a go with X
[03:09] <b_> or
[03:10] <b_> you can install virtual pc on windows and run ubuntu or use vmware on windows or ubuntu
[03:10] <revo> ok, thanks
[03:10] <drbreen> tanlann: the alternate cd
[03:10] <Wizardling> maybe I typed it as a capital by mistake the fist time around with 5.10
[03:10] <Jack_Sparrow> tanlaan: alt is server but if live wont work (after testing for errors) alt will probably not either
[03:10] <tanlaan> drbreen: ok Ill check it
[03:10] <Wizardling> NM, cheers for your help
[03:10] <bimberi> Wizardling: np :)
[03:10] <damo22> If you want to help the ubuntu community, donate to vmware with a letter asking for full 3d support
[03:10] <tanlaan> Jack_Sparrow: well I have no idea why it won't restart gdm :(
[03:11] <Jack_Sparrow> damo22: NOT
[03:11] <damo22> :P
[03:11] <Wizardling> I really do wish the screen res bug on early CRT iMacs would be fixed.
[03:11] <tanlaan> Wixardling: thats what I am trying to do with mine...but its not working
[03:11] <damo22> why not Jack
[03:11] <tanlaan> Wizardling: thats what I am trying to do with mine...but its not working
[03:11] <Wizardling> Then at least I wouldn't be screwing up commands BEFORE I even get Ubuntu installed :-D
[03:12] <Wizardling> I prefer to screw up AFTER instation
[03:12] <tanlaan> Wizardling: If it works, could you tell me what you did? :D
[03:12] <Howitzer> Wizardling, i prefer to screw up NEVER :)
[03:12] <Jack_Sparrow> damo22: telling people to help ubuntu by supporting a product that is for Windows software just does not feel right...
[03:12] <tanlaan> Wizardling: because atm I edited the horizontal and vertical thing, and gdm wont restart
[03:13] <damo22> Jack: the product is NOT for windows software
[03:13] <Wizardling> Oh god - you mean http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75604&highlight=imac+blank+screen didn't solve it for 6.06, tanlaan?
[03:13] <Stormx2> nvidia-installer: nvidia-installer: cannot execute binary file <-- why is this happening?
[03:13] <Wizardling> Which iMac model, dude?
[03:13] <tanlaan> Wizardling: Blueberry
[03:13] <Jack_Sparrow> damo22: what exactly is vmware?
[03:14] <tanlaan> Wizardling: It worked last time I installed it
[03:14] <keithhhhh> Im thinking about upgrading from ubuntu 5.10 to 6.06 I noticed there is no DVD version of 6.06
[03:14] <Wizardling> Mine is a Rev c lime iMac 266MHz G3 upgraded with a Sonnet Harmni 500MHz G3 card
[03:14] <tanlaan> Wizardling: just not this time... Which is why I am confused
[03:14] <damo22> Jack: go do your homework before telling me its a bad idea to support it
[03:14] <Wizardling> blueberry - which model?
[03:14] <Wizardling> tray-loader?
[03:14] <tanlaan> slot loading
[03:14] <tanlaan> first one
[03:14] <Wizardling> the 1st gen slot?
[03:15] <Stormx2> Please someone... i barely ever come to this channel to ask questions but this time i really need some help :(
[03:15] <tanlaan> 350mhz, 7gigs
[03:15] <tanlaan> yup
[03:15] <Wizardling> ok, well - if you can hang around ten mintes (the live CD takes forever to load) I'll be back to report.
[03:15] <Jack_Sparrow> damo22: Allows you to run multiple operating systems at the same time on the same PC...L tHAT IS not HOW YOU SUPPORT uBUNTU..
[03:15] <tanlaan> Stormx2: Hmm maybe you have the wrong binary file?
[03:15] <tanlaan> Wizardling: will do lol
[03:15] <Wizardling> BBL
[03:15] <Stormx2> tanlaan: Well thats the thing... I installed the wrong drivers (64bit)
[03:15] <GazzaK> Hi, I have a bit of a text problem, typing the  key once does nothing, but if I follow it by a aeocl etc I get a , this is great but I want to type say im I have an extra key press and words which need a s like say Garys come out like Gary, how do I disable this behaviour?
[03:16] <Jack_Sparrow> damo22: Yes, I know what it is for, was asking you if YOU knew'
[03:16] <Wizardling> wish me luck dude! ;-)
[03:16] <Stormx2> tanlaan: And im trying to uninstall them XD
[03:16] <Stormx2> Im going to try something quickly, brb
[03:16] <tanlaan> Stormx2: maybe you could manually go in and rm them?
[03:16] <Stormx2> tanlaan: Hmm
[03:16] <Stormx2> tanlaan: Give me just 2 minutes
[03:16] <snoops> Jack_Sparrow it definitely can in my opinion.. if someone wants to use ubuntu but requires a few applications which wine or crossover doesn't support, and there being no alternate in the linux world.. well instead of dual booting they can use vmware inside ubuntu
[03:16] <damo22> Jack: cross platform software development can be made a whole lot easier with vmware, plus if vmware had 3d support, you could test your 3d apps without needing a windows machine
[03:17] <Icemasta[God] > Hello, anyone awake?
[03:17] <QuarkMan> no
[03:17] <damo22> exactly snoops :D
[03:17] <Icemasta[God] > Ok, good
[03:17] <geoffDeGeoffGeof> is it true it is not possible to upgrade from the cd with no internet connection?
[03:17] <snoops> cross platform software development with vmware? Are you insane?
[03:17] <Jack_Sparrow> snoops: I disagree .. but this is not the place for that discussion..
[03:18] <b_> what is thje main path for ubuntu is it /
[03:18] <Stormx2> Didn't work.
[03:18] <Stormx2> See, my fonts are totally screwed
[03:18] <snoops> Jack_Sparrow indeed :)
[03:18] <Stormx2> anything with a space it in just screws up no end.
[03:18] <Stormx2> You get the first frickin' word an nothing else.
[03:18] <Jack_Sparrow> !support
[03:18] <ubotu> For your support options, see http://www.ubuntu.com/support
[03:18] <Stormx2> I want to go back to the restricted, default drivers, but I don't know how.
[03:18] <damo22> snoops: eg web development, so you can test your webpage on ie7
[03:19] <Stormx2> best thing for IE is IEs4Linux
[03:19] <Icemasta[God] > My question: Does cedega requires a kinda of cracking or only a serial?
[03:19] <damo22> Icemasta: use wine, its free
[03:19] <damo22> :)
[03:19] <Stormx2> I feel like reinstalling. This is ridiculous.
[03:19] <Icemasta[God] > Yeah, but cedega has already lots of games :/
[03:20] <snoops> Icemasta[God]  there's two versions. A cvs free copy which you have to compile yourself
[03:20] <snoops> and a support version which includes debs etc
[03:20] <tanlaan> Ill be right back...
[03:20] <Icemasta[God] > snoops, where do I get that cvs?
[03:20] <snoops> the reason you have to pay for it, is the company has to remove the copy protection from games to get them to work, mostly.. and those have to be protected under some patents etc
[03:21] <snoops> so they can't release that part of the code on cvs
[03:21] <snoops> umm just a minute, I'll grab the url
[03:21] <snoops> or you can google it
[03:21] <djk_> how do i gather information about the hardware in the console?
[03:21] <Jack_Sparrow> djk_: lspci
[03:21] <ishorseman> Stormx2, just change the driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:22] <exarkun> The latest kernel in Dapper is 2.6.15-26 but the latest vmware kernel modules package is 2.6.15-25.  What's going on?
[03:22] <Stormx2> ishorseman: i did.
[03:22] <snoops> http://www.transgaming.com/license.php?source=1
[03:22] <Stormx2> ishorseman: I changed it back to nv, I infact reverted to a backup. No difference.
[03:22] <djk_> Jack_Sparrow: i was thinking of more information
[03:22] <Ych--away> wow
[03:23] <Jack_Sparrow> djk_: lspci -v
[03:23] <Ych--away> microsoft gets more retarded by the minute
[03:23] <Stormx2> Ych--away: What did it do this time?
[03:23] <damo22> exarkun: you can run vmware-config.pl and recompile for your kernel
[03:23] <glen_> djk_, hwinfo
[03:23] <Icemasta[God] > snoops, so basically
[03:23] <exarkun> damo22: I don't run Ubuntu so that I can build my own kernel modules.
[03:24] <damo22> exarkun: which linux do you use then?
[03:24] <Icemasta[God] > What's the difference between them is that........ cvs is gay?
[03:24] <damo22> lol
[03:25] <Icemasta[God] > Just tell me what is that crap about copy protection
[03:25] <Icemasta[God] > Basically, any game that has a copy protection
[03:25] <Icemasta[God] > Will screw up CVS?
[03:25] <ken_> any1 know how to install the compiler?
[03:25] <Icemasta[God] > And then proceed to rape it
[03:25] <Jack_Sparrow> djk_: there is a bootable cd with some other hardware detection tools.. http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[03:25] <Stormx2> ken_: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[03:25] <snoops> because of patent issues etc, it'd be illegal for them to release the code which breaks it
[03:25] <ken_> oh, k, thx!
[03:25] <djk_> glen_: thanks
[03:25] <Ych--away> storm
[03:25] <Ych--away> whoops
[03:26] <Icemasta[God] > snoops, ok so then cvs cedega is simply gay? 'cause you can't play games?
[03:26] <Ych--away> oh well
[03:26] <damo22> icemasta: your choice of vocabulary leaves much to be desired
[03:26] <GazzaK> i say
[03:26] <Icemasta[God] > I know, I just woke up
[03:26] <Jack_Sparrow> dsnoops damo Icemasta[God]    All of that is #Ubuntu-offtopic
[03:26] <Ych> ill tell my MS is retarded story anyway
[03:26] <damo22> jack: when someone asks a question i am happy to answer them
[03:26] <snoops> Jack_Sparrow umm it was a question relating to cedega installation on his ubuntu box..
[03:27] <mzuverink> Does anyone know why the option to do a LAMP install is no longer available on the server install iso images?
[03:27] <Icemasta[God] > So anyway, basically, anyway installed game that got a copy protection
[03:27] <Jack_Sparrow> It goes beyond that..
[03:27] <Icemasta[God] > Basically, any game, cedega cvs won't support that
[03:27] <Ych> i went to help a friend get his internet working on a new windows install, and windows wouldnt let him log in without "activating his copy" or some BS like that, but in order to activate he needed internet, but to configure his internet he has to log in first. and the most ironic part is, it's actually a legal windows copy, not a pirated like all of mine :)
[03:28] <damo22> Jack: im a human being too not just a robot answering questions lol
[03:28] <Jack_Sparrow> Ych: hit F8 go into sfae mode and do it
[03:28] <modern`> Hello
[03:28] <Stormx2> I'm reinstalling.
[03:28] <Stormx2> This is stupid.
[03:29] <damo22> Whats the problem stormx2
[03:29] <modern`> tell me
[03:29] <Stormx2> Can't get back to my original X drivers.
[03:29] <Stormx2> Fonts are totally boned.
[03:29] <Stormx2> Almost unusable.
[03:29] <Stormx2> My fault tho.
[03:29] <Stormx2> So nevermind
[03:29] <damo22> sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg
[03:30] <Stormx2> My /home is mounted seperately
[03:30] <Stormx2> Ill try that
[03:30] <damo22> reinstall it plus ubuntu-desktop
[03:30] <Ych> thanks jack
[03:30] <GazzaK> sorry for asking again, but, I have a bit of a text problem, typing the  key once does nothing, but if I follow it by a aeocl etc I get a , this is great but I want to type say im I have an extra key press and words which need a s like say Garys come out like Gary, how do I disable this behaviour?
[03:30] <Jack_Sparrow> np
[03:30] <azureal> hi; what are some of your opinions about totem?
[03:30] <Ych> i told him the solution to his problem is linux
[03:30] <Ych> but unfortunately he's got a few apps....
[03:30] <Ych> taht are xp xclusive
[03:30] <Icemasta[God] > What is this trap?
[03:30] <Icemasta[God] > I can't query on freenode?
[03:31] <Jack_Sparrow> Ych: Even after it locks you out F8 will get you in to register :) it
[03:31] <azureal> Ych: i'm sure there are alternates (excluding games)
[03:31] <Stormx2> damo22: I sure hope this works
[03:31] <Jack_Sparrow> Ych: Loki loaders is one solution for some games
[03:31] <damo22> stormx2: which 3d card do you have
[03:32] <damo22> stormx2: which 3d card do you have
[03:32] <Stormx2> I use an old nvidia
[03:32] <damo22> stormx2 thats cool, i wish i had one kickin around
[03:32] <Stormx2> Im reinstalling now.
[03:32] <Stormx2> Thanks for all the help everyone who tried.
[03:32] <erUSUL> Icemasta[God] : yoiu have to register
[03:32] <Icemasta[God] > I registered
[03:33] <Icemasta[God] > It works fine now
[03:33] <damo22> azureal: u can use mplayer + mozilla-mplayer
[03:33] <ishorseman> Stormx2, how dod you get into that problem?
[03:33] <azureal> ic
[03:33] <damo22> azureal: i dont have totem installed and it works
[03:34] <Ych> umm
[03:34] <azureal> ok, i'm just doing a thorough cleaning of gnome, so =)
[03:34] <Ych> games are one problem
[03:34] <billybennett> Does anyone know how to work USB Thumbdrives in Ubuntu?
[03:34] <Ych> but the other prblem
[03:34] <damo22> azureal: someone already did that, its called xubuntu
[03:34] <Ych> which im currently googling for solutions fruitlessly
[03:34] <Ych> is
[03:34] <Ych> sonicstage
[03:34] <Ych> the crap proprietry software sony includes with its mp3 players
[03:35] <Jack_Sparrow> billybennett: What is the problem, I plug mine in and it shows up as a drive
[03:35] <Ych> since you cant use them like a normal mp3 player
[03:35] <Wizardling> well - it's certain now. 6.06 is FUBAR on my CRT iMac
[03:35] <ishorseman> Stormx2, how did you get into that problem?
[03:35] <Ych> you have to convert to some crap sony format
[03:35] <azureal> damo22: really? what's on xubuntu by default?
[03:35] <Ych> and cant just access it like a normal usb drive
[03:35] <Wizardling> altering the monitor settings in the xorg.conf file does not fix the problem.
[03:35] <billybennett> Jack_Sparrow, well I have a U3 drive that has special window apps and pretends to be a cdrom.. its showing up as a cd rom but I dont see anything different on my desktop
[03:35] <damo22> azureal: its optimized for small systems, based on gtk instead of gnome
[03:36] <azureal> damo22: well i didn't know this would happen to me... i somehow default a hatred for gnome
[03:36] <afief> I am trying to download a video but it is played automatically through an invisible mplayer window
[03:36] <damo22> azureal: i have it running on an old celeron 600 with only 64mb ram :D
[03:36] <azureal> bleh developed instead of default**
[03:36] <fuzzybunny> when is ubuntu gonna fix cifs issues?
[03:37] <azureal> lol damo22
[03:37] <Wizardling> I get, upon saving the changes to /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and then typing sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart the following error 'Fail'
[03:37] <fuzzybunny> I'd like to have a win/lin environment
[03:37] <damo22> azureal: it will work much better with 256Mb ram
[03:37] <Wizardling> "Starting GNOME Display Manager... fail
[03:37] <Jack_Sparrow> billybennett: what are you trying to do with the special windows apps on ubuntu?