[02:26] <mrtsunami> b4se, yes, you can have multiple servers and channels open at the same time
[02:26] <AHA> kakei, because you installed it _over_ vista
[02:26] <tanath> b4se, ctrl+s if you want a new server
[02:26] <emma> I'm going to reload x and see what happens.
[02:26] <kakei> AHA??
[02:27] <mneptok> AHA: .mp4 is the default MPEG4 file format. .m4p is MPEG4 with DRM.
[02:27] <AHA> you said you installed it over vista, which probably is the reason why it wont load
[02:27] <b4se> tanath, thanks so much :p
[02:27] <Agent_bob> usr13 assorted applications and libraries that simply don't depend on nor match the things you listed.    i don't happen to have a list of them on hand   but they will still be there.      i have chased that rabbit several times usr13, beleave it or not it best to strip the system to the essential packages and reinstall the ubuntu-minimal and ubuntu-base   that will put it back in server install state.
[02:27] <tanath> b4se, np
[02:27] <kakei> nono, not over, just other partition
[02:27] <lindzeyn> Hey, does anyone know of a good cheap wireless G card that will work w/ ubuntu right out of the box
[02:27] <mneptok> lindzeyn: form factor?
[02:27] <Foxamemnon> Are there any website or wiki pages I should look at for help setting up encrypted disks with the installer?
[02:27] <b4se> tanath, is there anyway to have totem on top when playing
[02:27] <tanath> b4se, you can have any app on top
[02:27] <b4se> tanath, kind of like WMP when you click on the 'Always on top' feature...
[02:27] <rilo> I'm trying to stop my networking service by using "sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop" and while it says "OK", my eth0 is still up and active. wtf is going on? how do I keep it down
[02:28] <lindzeyn> mneptok, I don't know what that means.
[02:28] <b4se> tanath, even when i click on another window?
[02:28] <AHA> kakei, try booting off of the vista disk and seeing if you can find a "repair errors" option
[02:28] <tanath> b4se, you can right click on the task bar, or the title bar, and choose always on top
[02:28] <Newbuntu2> hello all!
[02:28] <mneptok> lindzeyn: PCI? PCMCIA? Cardbus? Express56?
[02:28] <b4se> tanath, legend! thanks so much
[02:28] <tanath> lol
[02:28] <lindzeyn> USB or PCI
[02:28] <b4se> tanath, thats an awesome feature of linux
[02:28] <b4se> tanath, im loving linux, just a bit newb with it lol
[02:28] <mneptok> lindzeyn: you in the US?
[02:28] <tanath> b4se, i believe windows has that too :P
[02:28] <lindzeyn> Yes
[02:28] <kakei> AHA that will erase grub?
[02:28] <Newbuntu2> I'm trying to run zoneminder with a hauppauge pvr 500 card, however, I can't figure out if I'm configuring the devices right. Can anyone help?
[02:29] <bds> rilo: sudo ifdown eth0?
[02:29] <tanath> b4se, but yeah, linux has lots of great features :P
[02:29] <AHA> kakei, no
[02:29] <arbir> anybody here has changed their theme ?
[02:29] <Pelo> arbir, most of us I expect
[02:29] <mohbana> When i try using the harvard style of referencing via natbib in latex i get "I couldn't open style file natbib.bst", please help
[02:29] <arbir> Pelo: i am having serious problems trying out a particular theme
[02:29] <thechitowncubs> SuperQ: any tips on mapping my ldap users to local groups?
[02:29] <tanath> arbir, er, i have
[02:29] <Pelo> arbir, more details, were did you get the theme from ?
[02:29] <arbir> Pelo: the window control buttons dont change
[02:29] <b4se> tanath, whats your favorite feature then (im learning here lol)
[02:30] <rilo> bds: I did sudo ifconfig eth0 down... and it didn't give me an error, but it's still busy! I need to make a change to it but I keep getting the device/resource busy error
[02:30] <arbir> Pelo: i am trying this http://gnomestyle.blogspot.com/2007/05/make-ubuntu-look-like-vista.html
[02:30] <Pelo> arbir, is this a compiz theme ?
[02:30] <tanath> b4se, uh... favourite for what? lol
[02:30] <b4se> tanath, oh soz feature lol
[02:30] <arbir> Pelo... is this a compiz theme? i have no idea
[02:30] <tanath> b4se, i really love compiz, and the negative plugin. light text on a dark background is so much easier on the eyes. great for reading
[02:30] <b4se> tanath, trying to work out all of the good features...
[02:30] <tanath> b4se, heh, you'll learn as you go. there's too much to point out at once
[02:30] <arbir> Pelo: if you will see step it three, it says "Install the Beryl and GTK theme as usual".. what does that mean ?
[02:30] <mneptok> lindzeyn: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833156165
[02:30] <Pelo> arbir,  hold on
[02:31] <tanath> b4se, one cool thing that a regular person wouldn't notice is that linux automatically defrags on the fly
[02:31] <Kalamansi> hello I don't have internet..i check already my cable 100% ok (cable tester). tried to plug it in other machine I have internet. but in ubuntu desktop 7.10 none.. http://pastebin.com/m603c7cc2
[02:31] <Nissan_350Z> well anyone know how to request the Alternative CD?
[02:31] <mohbana> When i try using the harvard style of referencing via natbib in latex i get "I couldn't open style file natbib.bst", please help
[02:31] <arbir> mneptok: wishes if newegg shipped to canada as well
[02:31] <Pelo> arbir, why don'T you just get an already made one from www.gnome-look.org ?
[02:31] <arbir> Pelo: sure i can. tell me which one... there are too many ...
[02:31] <Nissan_350Z> well anyone know how to request the Alternative CD?
[02:32] <mneptok> arbir: that's why we have a PO box in Plattsburgh ;)
[02:32] <Pelo> arbir,  just do a search for vista in gtk themes
[02:32] <Pelo> arbir,  in gtk2 themes
[02:32] <arbir> Pelo: there are so many vista gtk themes and most dont work
[02:32] <mneptok> Nissan_350Z: the .iso is on every mirror
[02:32] <arbir> Pelo: let me see .. if you can recommend a few that would be super
[02:32] <nomasteryoda> Nissan_350Z, find a Linux User group near you ... or a friend to download it for you...
[02:32] <lindzeyn> mneptok, so that card has an easily recognizable chipset and ubuntu will automatically load the drivers?
[02:32] <Nissan_350Z> mneptok> i have very very slow internet
[02:32] <Pelo> arbir, unpack it once,  chances are they were repacked to include instructions
[02:32] <mneptok> lindzeyn: correct
[02:33] <mneptok> Nissan_350Z: ShipIt does not ship alt. CDs. use a torrent.
[02:33] <rpj8> How can I set up automounting for usb drives and/or CDs on a cli installed system?
[02:33] <nomasteryoda> Nissan_350Z, my solution always works... someone has faster connection
[02:33] <Warcaptain> is there a way to run the LAMP installation script that runs when you install ubuntu-server only on a desktop?
[02:33] <Nissan_350Z> oh, mneptok
[02:33] <arbir> Pelo: let me give it a go.. i have spent 2 days trying to figure out how to install the themes.
[02:33] <nomasteryoda> yup, torrent is good
[02:33] <Nissan_350Z> ok how do i get to torrent and what is it XD
[02:33] <jrib> !lamp > Warcaptain (read the private message from ubotu)
[02:33] <arbir> Pelo: the screenshots they give is so good and when i install it, its nothing like that.....
[02:33] <Pelo> arbir,  you just drag drop the tar.gz file on to the theme manager window
[02:33] <lindzeyn> mneptok, thanks a bunch
[02:33] <mneptok> lindzeyn: no worries
[02:34] <mneptok> Nissan_350Z: what OS are you using now?
[02:34] <arbir> Pelo: let me try...
[02:34] <Nissan_350Z> Windows NT
[02:34] <fiXXXerMet> Anyone know where I can find the 0.9.55 ubuntu package?
[02:34] <jrib> fiXXXerMet: package for?
[02:34] <Nissan_350Z> this computer im using for internet is Windoes XP
[02:34] <mneptok> Nissan_350Z: can you install software on it?
[02:34] <rpj8> Has anyone on here got automounting working after installing a cli system?
[02:34] <Nissan_350Z> **Windows
[02:34] <fiXXXerMet> Sorry, for wine.
[02:34] <fiXXXerMet> Anyone know where I can find the 0.9.55 wine ubuntu package?
[02:34] <rpj8> fiXXXerMet: Doesn't exist yet.
[02:34] <Warcaptain> ubotu: that does not have instructions for 7.10.. are there any differences?
[02:34] <Nissan_350Z> it doesnt have internet access the modem is messed up
[02:34] <Warcaptain> oh
[02:35] <Warcaptain> bot, cute
[02:35] <Nissan_350Z> and we only get 26.4 KBPS  for Dial-Up here
[02:35] <Nissan_350Z> :/
[02:35] <Kalamansi> hello I cannot connect to the internet... http://pastebin.com/m603c7cc2
[02:35] <Omlette> I have a minor problem: when I suspend my computer manually, it resumes fine. However, if my computer suspends automatically, it resumes, shows the desktop for about 5 seconds, then hibernates. Any thoughts?
[02:35] <Agent_bob> rpj8 don't care what you ask for, do you?    it can be done.   but you'll have to script "something" to watch hald or the devices them selves.
[02:35] <reikalusikka> You guys may be a bit biased but which is better for server use, ubuntu or debian? are there any major difference? I have no experience of debian, only heard it's "good".
[02:35] <thechitowncubs> reikalusikka: ubuntu
[02:36] <arbir> Pelo: this is what i was looking at http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Aero-clone?content=57352 and it leads me no where
[02:36] <reikalusikka> ok :)
[02:36] <arbir> Pelo: what to download and what to install ?
[02:36] <rpj8> Agent_bob: First off, what? Second, what should I look up to see what ubuntu uses by default?
[02:36] <Kalamansi> reikalusikka since you are here.ubuntu is cool
[02:36] <reikalusikka> :p well I'm using it atm
[02:36] <Agent_bob> reikalusikka debian
[02:36] <Pelo> arbir, for the one you just linked to try this link for the dl  http://www.gnome-look.org/content/download.php?content=57352&id=1&tan=11651237
[02:36] <reikalusikka> Agent_bob: what are the benefits etc
[02:36] <rpj8> reikalusikka: The only reason people will say debian is because they have a slower release schedule
[02:36] <reikalusikka> rpj8: oh ok
[02:37] <rpj8> reikalusikka: Making their packegs "more secure"
[02:37] <rpj8> reikalusikka: Really it's all opinion. I say try both.
[02:37] <Agent_bob> rpj8 hal and the hal daemon hald
[02:37] <reikalusikka> :p
[02:37] <Kalamansi> reikalusikka: I see... I haven't triy debian
[02:37] <rpj8> Agent_bob: I saw others like dbus and udev? Are these relevant at all?
[02:37] <Kalamansi> reikalusikka: do you think same environment?
[02:37] <reikalusikka> ?
[02:37] <Kalamansi> reikalusikka: I try to install it using gui.
[02:37] <arbir> Pelo: i already got that file.. and only somethings have changed in my desktop..... the window control buttons have not changed....
[02:37] <reikalusikka> ok
[02:38] <Nissan_350Z> Windows NT is the one im installing Ubuntu on| The computer i am using is Windows XP, The internet we get is Dial-Up and we only get 26.4 KBPS
[02:38] <arbir> Pelo: also my Applications, Places and System menus have decreased in font size
[02:38] <mattholimeau> i need to add echo to my sudoers... where's that file?
[02:38] <Kalamansi> hello I cannot connect to the internet... http://pastebin.com/m603c7cc2
[02:38] <arbir> Pelo: In fact menu buttons have become small. .when i open nautilus, its all small.....
[02:38] <Agent_bob> reikalusikka stability as opposed to features.   ubuntu is "latest greatest..."   debian is "rock solid..."   if you want a desktop you might like ubuntu   if you want a server  you might prefer debian.
[02:39] <Nissan_350Z> mneptok, that was for you
[02:39] <Pelo> arbir, go back in the theme manager, click the customize button at the bottom  go in the control and also the border tab and reselect the vista-aero ones (or wathever ) from those tabs
[02:39] <Nissan_350Z> and how do i use a Torrent thingy to get the Alt. CD?
[02:39] <emma> I got my trackball working again. I think it is unrelated to the nautilus crashing.
[02:39] <Nissan_350Z> :/
[02:40] <Cosmo> Can someone help me enable thumbnails in Ubuntu 7.10?
[02:40] <Kalamansi> Agent_bob how to setup static ip in ubuntu? I have 10 static ips...
[02:40] <Cosmo> They used to work
[02:40] <Cosmo> but now they dont
[02:40] <Leechzilla> Nissan_350Z: Download a Torrent client, like deluge-torrent, or rtorrent.
[02:40] <arbir> Pelo: the window border tab does not like anyof those vista-aero items.... i have already looked into that...
[02:40] <rilo> damn, I just ran sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop ...and it appeared to deconfigure my network interfaces fine... except I'm still connected to IRC and everything else. what is the deal? :|
[02:40] <emma> I do not understand it but by changing the background color in the login window that made my xorg.conf file go back to the backup
[02:40] <Nissan_350Z> LeechZilla> what does a torrent client do?
[02:40] <Agent_bob> Kalamansi edit /etc/network/interfaces
[02:41] <zhanx> !azureus
[02:41] <ubotu> azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AzureusHowTo
[02:41] <Pelo> arbir, I'm looking , please be patient , taht aero one is crap btw
[02:41] <dogpigeoncow> hey
[02:41] <Nissan_350Z> :/
[02:41] <Nissan_350Z> !Torrent
[02:41] <ubotu> Torrent clients: Transmission (GTK and terminal-based), Deluge-Torrent, Freeloader, BitStormLite, BitTornado-GUI (GTK), KTorrent (KDE), QTorrent (Qt), Azureus (Java), TorrentFlux (web-based), bittornado, rTorrent, cTorrent, bittorrent, aria2 (terminal-based) - FAQ: http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html - See also !P2P
[02:41] <Kalamansi> Agent_bob: I have to use 10 NICs too?
[02:41] <Nissan_350Z> ok then
[02:41] <Leechzilla> Nissan_350Z: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_%28protocol%29
[02:41] <Pelo> arbir, this one seems to work well enough but it is dark  http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/VistaRevisedDark?content=32833
[02:41] <Cosmo> Can someone help me enable thumbnails in Ubuntu 7.10?
[02:41] <mattholimeau> i'm trying to get this to work: sudo "echo -e \"blah\" >> /etc/hosts"   ... but i'm getting sudo: echo -e "blah" >> /etc/hosts: command not found
[02:41] <mattholimeau>      ....   any ideas?
[02:41] <Nissan_350Z> thanks, LeechZilla :D
[02:41] <zhanx> i hate resetting up my box.. this time i going to back it up
[02:42] <dogpigeoncow> hey i have a problem downloading programs from the add/remove service. i get the error "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[02:42] <dogpigeoncow> E: _cache->open() failed, please report."
[02:42] <arbir> Pelo: I tried with OSX Leopard first....that was a complete failure after spending 6 hrs on it.. let me try your link
[02:42] <Omlette> Cosmo: thumbnails in the file browser?
[02:42] <Cosmo> YEs
[02:42] <Pelo> arbir, I did osx in 4 min
[02:42] <Omlette> Let me see..
[02:42] <Cosmo> like if i want to be able to preview pictures witout opening them up
[02:42] <tricaric> hi! Anyone knows when the next ubuntu server LTS is going to be released?
[02:42] <bds> mattholimeau: get rid of the " before echo
[02:42] <zhanx> dogpigeoncow:  you need ti run a terminal and put that in
[02:42] <arbir> Pelo: how in 4 min ? i spent hours and nothing happened
[02:42] <dogpigeoncow> and then i get blank ">"s
[02:42] <Agent_bob> Kalamansi well i'd sujest a switch.    or if you are refering to just the host addressing.   look in /etc/host*
[02:43] <Pelo> arbir,  I have no idea why it would take you that much time
[02:43] <Omlette> Cosmo: Edit -> Preferences -> Preview tab -> thumbnails
[02:43] <Pelo> arbir, hold on i'm looking for the linkx for you
[02:43] <rilo> arg, no ideas about stopping this networking service?
[02:43] <Omlette> From the file browser's menu.
[02:43] <dogpigeoncow> it says i need superuser privelage
[02:43] <mattholimeau> bds: that doesn't work, because then it seems it's the output of sudo going to /etc/hosts... i get permission denied
[02:43] <nickrud> tricaric: april is the schedule
[02:43] <dogpigeoncow> how do i give myself superuser privelage
[02:43] <Agent_bob> Kalamansi i'm not very network savy   might better consult someone that knows more than i do, on that.
[02:43] <zhanx> dogpigeoncow: open a terminal type in sudo dpkg --configure -a
[02:44] <Kalamansi> Agent_bob do you know some channels here who have lots of network savy?
[02:44] <zhanx> dogpigeoncow:  then enter your pass
[02:44] <dogpigeoncow> yes
[02:44] <mneptok> Nissan_350Z: download and install uTorrent in Windows
[02:44] <dogpigeoncow> ok now wat
[02:44] <Agent_bob> Kalamansi ##linux at times is really good for network issues.
[02:44] <Nissan_350Z70> urgh
[02:44] <jimcooncat> mattholimeau: maybe: sudo `"echo -e \"blah\" >> /etc/hosts`
[02:44] <zhanx> Kalamansi: missed your question.
[02:45] <Pelo> arbir, for mac osx  http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/MacOS-X+Aqua+Theme?content=13548
[02:45] <Nissan_350Z70> Ping me
[02:45] <dogpigeoncow> zhanx, now wat?
[02:45] <Nissan_350Z70> :/
[02:45] <zhanx> dogpigeoncow: it should finish reinstall and fixing it, then you can install what you wanted
[02:45] <Agent_bob> Kalamansi at times it better for "trash talk"
[02:45] <bds> mattholimeau: sudo -e /etc/hosts
[02:45] <bds> ?
[02:45] <nschembr> has anyone used unionfs on a root file system under ubuntu/debian
[02:45] <martin_> any recommendations for a decent autocad replacement?
[02:45] <Kalamansi> \/whois zhanx
[02:45] <arbir> Pelo: my firefox dies each time... i change theme :-(
[02:45] <tricaric> when is the next Ubuntu Server LTS going to be released?
[02:45] <Starnestommy> tricaric: I think in april
[02:46] <nickrud> martin_: ask pelo what he uses for cad
[02:46]  * Nissan_350Z70 pings Nissan_#50Z
[02:46] <Kalamansi> zhanx is that you?the one who help me in hardware?
[02:46] <phuzion> whats the syntax to zip an entire directory into one ZIP file?
[02:46] <Pelo> arbir, that can happen
[02:46] <Agent_bob> nschembr if that's a poll   then yes i have.
[02:46] <zhanx> last week?
[02:46] <dogpigeoncow> zhanx, you da man!
[02:46] <arbir> Pelo: vista revisited does not work.. for me.....it says, it installed correctly.. but nothing happened
[02:46] <Nissan_350Z70> **Nissan_350Z
[02:46] <tricaric> Starnestommy: thanks
[02:46] <mattholimeau> bds: wow, that pulled me into pine. that's neat, but not at all what i need, because i'm trying to put this into a script, not just edit my hosts file
[02:46] <Kalamansi> Agent_bob for now I don't have internet. can you please check http://pastebin.com/m603c7cc2
[02:46] <Kalamansi> zhanx http://pastebin.com/m603c7cc2
[02:46] <Nissan_350Z> there we go
[02:47] <mattholimeau> more general form of my question... anyone know how to append to my /etc/hosts in a shell script?
[02:47] <Kalamansi> zhanx I don't have internet
[02:47] <martin_> Pelo: nickrud recommended I ask you what your cad-app of choice is.
[02:47] <bds> mattholimeau: don't put the sudo in the scipt, and execute the script using sudo?
[02:47] <maddog39> hey is there anyway to boot into a cd from a floppy
[02:47] <mattholimeau> ooh... i probably just need to run by script with sudo...
[02:47] <amenado> Kalamansi-> do you take notes? we went over this a while back
[02:47] <mattholimeau> yeah, bds, thanks... i think that's what i was looking for
[02:47] <joecurlee> should i be using restricted drivers for geforce 7200 gs or the drivers from nvidia's site?
[02:47] <Agent_bob> nschembr i don't reccomend it, unless you really really need it.   it's more of a hassel than a help    you can so easily just mount additional fs on various dirs   like   /home   /var   /tmp    /usr   /boot
[02:47] <bds> mattholimeau: np :)
[02:47] <mattholimeau> but that's lame...
[02:47] <nschembr> how do you get the system to mount the root "/" ro under unionfs.
[02:48] <mattholimeau> bds: know how i force my script to sudo itself and prompt for a password?
[02:48] <arbir> Pelo: i am trying the OSx theme.. let me see if it works for me or not
[02:48] <amenado> Kalamansi-> assign an ip address to your host, either static or dhcp assigned
[02:48] <Pelo> martin_, these days I am rather fond of  progecad smart! , it's an autocad clone,  for windows but works well on wine,  progecad smart is free , but does not support 3d
[02:48] <Pelo> arbir, I'm looking for the icons for it right now
[02:48] <rpj8> Agent_bob: So I installed all the hal and dbus stuff, followed instructions off archlinux wiki, and still a no go.
[02:48] <Agent_bob> amenado i'm lagging really badly,  can you tend to Kalamansi for me please.
[02:48] <zhanx> Kalamansi:  edit it /etc/network/interfaces
[02:48] <bds> mattholimeau: if you chown/chgrp the script you will have to give a password
[02:48] <_Oz_> Good evening, Ubuntu friends!
[02:48] <amenado> martin_-> umm, blender is not good enuff?
[02:49] <martin_> Pelo: Any recommendations for 3D cad apps? Otherwise I may just dualboot so I can use my older copy of autocad.
[02:49] <bds> mattholimeau: ie chmod 755 my_script.sh
[02:49] <martin_> amenado: I have been trying to familiarize myself with blender but progress has been... slow...
[02:49] <bds> mattholimeau: sorry, that should be 744 :)
[02:49] <martin_> amenado: any recommendations on where I could look for help?
[02:49] <Pelo> martin_, dual boot, or you could also try running your windows install in vmware
[02:49] <mattholimeau> bds: yeah, that would just force me to run it with sudo though, right?
[02:50] <Tetracomm> Hi.
[02:50] <arbir> Pelo: yeah that link was not downloading the icons....
[02:50] <amenado> martin_-> they have books and tutorials, both as html, and video via wink
[02:50] <Agent_bob> nschembr you need to take care of the origenal fs mounting of / before you bind the additional fs's to it.
[02:50] <bds> isn't that what you want?
[02:50] <Tetracomm> I installed a sound card and now want to blacklist the old integrated one. Could someone help me do this?
[02:50] <mattholimeau> bds: that's great input, and i'll go with that if i need... but is there a way to easily make a script grab root priv's by itself?
[02:50] <martin_> amenado: Thanks I'll take a look.
[02:50] <amenado> martin_-> blendernation.com
[02:50] <Kalamansi> zhanx: how to edit this  /etc/network/interfaces .. im not good in scripting typos
[02:50] <nschembr> i've worked with voyage linux ro file system. I would like to try ubuntu on eee with a ro root that I can update with apt-get
[02:50] <zhanx> k
[02:51] <Pelo> martin_,  you can also try running the full non free version of progecad, it does support 3d but it cost 500$ ,  you can dl the trial version for free , it's 30 days
[02:51] <tanath> martii, first 3 sites are good: http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&num=30&q=blender+%7Eguide
[02:51] <Leechzilla> What command do I use to check what filesystem is used on a device or mount point?
[02:51] <Frogzoo> Kalamansi: man interfaces
[02:51] <Kalamansi> amenado : I tried to setup a static ip. still I cannot connect.but my p2 can connect to the net
[02:51] <zhanx> Kalamansi: sudo gedit /etc/network/interface
[02:51] <Agent_bob> and Kalamansi i doubt that i could open a web page without timming out right now.   0 free bandwidth
[02:51] <zhanx> Kalamansi: sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces
[02:51] <bds> mattholimeau: what is the goal?  if the script is running with root priviledegs you are giving everyone that runs that script root
[02:51] <Pelo> arbir, here are the icons http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/OsX_MoD?content=54851
[02:51] <Tetracomm> Is this what I should blacklist?: snd_ac97_codec
[02:51] <mneptok> zhanx: please use gksu with GTK apps
[02:52] <zhanx> :P
[02:52] <Nissan_350Z> umm how do i install a torrent?
[02:52] <mneptok> Nissan_350Z: did you install a torrent application?
[02:52] <mattholimeau> bds: well, am thinking it should still be able to be secure by prompting for a password before it grabs the privs
[02:52] <amenado> Kalamansi-> is your p2 in same subnet ? then copy the configs if possible
[02:52] <Nissan_350Z> thats what i need help with
[02:53] <tanath> Nissan_350Z, you don't install the torrents... you open them with a torrent client, like deluge
[02:53] <mattholimeau> bds: in other words, instead of ever seeing a "permission denied" i want to see a password prompt instead. and then only permission denied on an incorrect password
[02:53] <arbir> Pelo: that downlod link somehow fails
[02:53] <mneptok> Nissan_350Z: http://utorrent.com
[02:53] <Nissan_350Z> ok
[02:53] <mneptok> Nissan_350Z: install that
[02:53] <Nissan_350Z> ok thanks :D
[02:53] <tanath> Nissan_350Z, i'd recommend installing deluge. then you can open the torrents you find on sites in that, to download what you're looking for
[02:53] <bds> -i  The -i (simulate initial login) option runs the shell specified in the passwd(5) entry of the user that the command is being run as.
[02:53] <Nissan_350Z> ok :D
[02:53] <bds> mattholimeau: that is from sudo
[02:54] <Pelo> arbir, try this one
[02:54] <Pelo> arbir, http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Mac4Lin+Leopard+GTK+Icon+Theme?content=68413
[02:54] <amenado> Nissan_350Z-> you need to tell em you dont have ubuntu installed yet!
[02:54] <mneptok> tanath: except he's in Windows. and Deluge on Windows is not for non-devs.
[02:54] <arbir> Pelo: got it
[02:54] <Kalamansi> amenado it's a p2 windows machine actually
[02:54] <nano_> FUDGE!
[02:54] <tanath> mneptok, oh
[02:54] <mattholimeau> yeah, that's just an "su - "
[02:54] <mattholimeau> bds: that will run a script as i log in... not log in as i run a script.
[02:54] <Nissan_350Z> yeah im using it to install the text based installation of Ubuntu
[02:55] <tanath> mneptok, he's looking to download the iso?
[02:55] <mneptok> tanath: -alternate, yeah
[02:55] <amenado> Kalamansi what ip does it have? what ip you assigned to your host?
[02:55] <Leechzilla> Nissan_350Z: If you're on Windows, utorrent is the best
[02:55] <tanath> yeh
[02:55] <Nissan_350Z> im on Win XP
[02:55] <Kalamansi> amenado: <IP_ADDRESS> is the router
[02:55] <mattholimeau> bds: but an interesting thought nonetheless
[02:55] <Nissan_350Z> you sure Deluge isnt?
[02:55] <tanath> Nissan_350Z, go with utorrent then
[02:55] <Nissan_350Z> ok :D
[02:55] <Agent_bob> nschembr is it a private message yes.    please don't without invitation.
[02:55] <Leechzilla> Deluge is good, but never tried it on Windows
[02:55] <amenado> Kalamansi what ip does it have? what ip you assigned to your host?
[02:56] <bds> mattholimeau: I don't know what the option is, but if you the time and patience you can put some logic in your script
[02:56] <bds> mattholimeau: that prompts for a passord
[02:56] <Nissan_350Z> you guys dont know how much i appreciate this :D
[02:56] <mneptok> Nissan_350Z: my PayPal address is ...
[02:57] <Nissan_350Z> huh?
[02:57] <tanath> lol
[02:57] <bds> mattholimeau: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ "Advanced Bash Scripting Guide"
[02:57] <tanath> Nissan_350Z, he's implying he'll take donations ;p
[02:57] <Nissan_350Z> oh ok XD
[02:57]  * mneptok cringes at the bash pimping
[02:57] <eshaase> is it normal for screen to take up 10MB using the default settings?
[02:57] <nschembr> agent_bob, can I mount  the unionfs in fstab or do i need to remake the initrd.img
[02:57] <Kalamansi> amenado: umm the router is <IP_ADDRESS> .. pc2 is <IP_ADDRESS>
[02:57] <capital86> hey guys I have a question about compiz fusion
[02:57] <arbir> Pelo: awesome
[02:57] <Nissan_350Z> how do i download this?
[02:57] <Nissan_350Z> uTorrent?
[02:57] <mneptok> eshaase: forget everything Windows taught you about memory management.
[02:58] <Kalamansi> amenado: pc1 ubuntu must get <IP_ADDRESS> but still cannot connect to the net
[02:58] <tanath> Nissan_350Z, http://www.utorrent.com/download.php
[02:58] <Nissan_350Z> im on that page
[02:58] <Nissan_350Z> Get µTorrent 1.7.7 Stable (214 kB)
[02:58] <Nissan_350Z> (See list of changes) ? Help File
[02:58] <arbir> Pelo: there are still a few issues
[02:58] <capital86> can anyone help me out with compiz fusion?
[02:58] <Pelo> arbir,  and it took less then 2 min , if you exclud the time I spent looking for the links
[02:58] <eshaase> mneptok: i meant 10MB being alot
[02:58] <Pelo> arbir,  like what ?
[02:58] <arbir> Pelo: when i move my curose over the time and date, it disappears
[02:58] <tanath> Nissan_350Z, right... 'get utorrent' is what you want to do, right? :P
[02:58] <Agent_bob> nschembr you can mount it in fstab   and that is the best way    imo
[02:58] <amenado> Kalamansi must? does it have that address assigned yet? also what is the route -n  results ?
[02:58] <Nissan_350Z> wow thats an awfully small file
[02:58] <elux> this is friggen annoying
[02:58] <Pelo> arbir, I don't think that is theme related
[02:59] <elux> i have ubuntu running over a virtualized image
[02:59] <tanath> !ask | capital86
[02:59] <ubotu> capital86: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[02:59] <elux> when i reboot and go into recovery .. i can type in my root password and get in just fine
[02:59] <mneptok> eshaase: forget everything Windows taught you about memory management.
[02:59] <capital86> okay
[02:59] <elux> but when im in gnome.. and i open a terminal type sudo -i
[02:59] <capital86> sorry
[02:59] <elux> the root password is always wrong
[02:59] <Creationist> !wireless
[02:59] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:59] <elux> what is going on here
[02:59] <Nissan_350Z> i think so, ask mneptok
[02:59] <arbir> Pelo: this theme is really super...... somehow.... can i make it look like as shown in that page?
[02:59] <Dr_willis_> elux,  sudo wants the USERS password. not the root users password
[02:59] <eshaase> mneptok: i'm not sure what you mean, i'm not really a big windows user
[02:59] <Agent_bob> nschembr there is a pretty good guide on the net,  i don't recall the address  but i think it was on http://linuxquestions.org    maybe.
[02:59] <elux> how the hell does that make sense?
[02:59] <arbir> Pelo: the tool tip.. shows beside each window in the taskbar
[02:59] <Dr_willis_> elux,  su would want the root users password
[02:59] <Pelo> arbir, what else is there on the page ? I don't have the link anymore
[02:59] <jamesrdorn> Hey guys, I am installing 7.10 from the live cd on this nforce MB. the installer fails right when it runs grub-install, running this manualy as "sudo grub-install --file-directory=/target /dev/sda gives me "grub-install: the file /target/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" any ideas?
[02:59] <jamesrdorn> SATA
[02:59] <mneptok> eshaase: why do you think 10MB is a lot?
[03:00] <Kalamansi> amenado : here is route -n and ifconfig -a http://pastebin.com/m603c7cc2
[03:00] <amenado> elux what is virtualized image?
[03:00] <elux> why would sudo want the USERS password? how is that secure
[03:00] <tanath> elux, 'cause you are the user asking for root priveledges
[03:00] <Pelo> arbir, I don't know that part, sorry , try looking around in gconf-editor
[03:00] <mneptok> eshaase: what else is running? what state is the memory in? how much swap is used? how much free RAM do you have?
[03:00] <Shirakawasuna> distupgrades are scary, is there a simple-ish way to keep fairly recent apps in ubuntu without a distupgrade?
[03:00] <eshaase> mneptok: because 10MB is a lot =)
[03:00] <Dr_willis_> elux,  thats how sudo works.. if you dont understand why - read up on sudo
[03:00] <arbir> Pelo: thanks a ton for this..... this is really super
[03:00] <elux> well that sucks
[03:00] <Shirakawasuna> for instance, let's say I want vlc 9 when it comes out soon
[03:00] <mneptok> eshaase: no, it's not
[03:00] <tanath> elux, what privs you have are configurable by root with sudoers
[03:00] <Scunizi> capital86, sorry.. I had to eat.. did you load up what I was talking about in synaptic?
[03:00] <Dr_willis_> elux,  no it dosent.  sudo is designed to do a lot of different things.
[03:00] <Agent_bob> !sudo > elux
[03:00] <mneptok> eshaase: on a machine with 8GB of memeory and only screen running, 10MB is NOT a lot
[03:00] <amenado> Kalamansi back to step 1 for you, no ip address assigned yet to eth0
[03:00] <Shirakawasuna> will it be easy to upgrade vlc to 0.9 in the repos?
[03:00] <Dr_willis_> elux,  you could just give root and the user the same password.
[03:00] <nickrud> elux: not every user has sudo privs,
[03:00] <eshaase> mneptok: well i guess its a matter of perspective
[03:01] <Nissan_350Z> mneptok, now what do i do?
[03:01] <Nissan_350Z> its installed
[03:01] <eshaase> mneptok: i only have 256M
[03:01] <arbir> Pelo: the apple icon and the smiley are not visible
[03:01] <Cosmo> Can anyone help me enable thumbnail previews for my files in Ubuntu 7.10?
[03:01] <arbir> Pelo: are these things to be done manually ?
[03:01] <mneptok> eshaase: so let Linux manage it and stop worrying ;)
[03:01] <mneptok> Nissan_350Z: install uTorrent
[03:01] <Nissan_350Z> it is :D
[03:01] <Nissan_350Z> its all installed on here now what do i do?
[03:01] <eshaase> mneptok: well i'd like to not hit the max so i'm wondering why it takes so much memory and if theres anything i can do to reduce it
[03:01] <Cosmo> Can anyone help me enable thumbnail previews for my files in Ubuntu 7.10?
[03:02] <mneptok> Nissan_350Z: http://ftp.science.nus.edu.sg/linux/ubuntu-ISO/7.10/ubuntu-7.10-alternate-i386.iso.torrent  <--- download that and open it with uTorrent
[03:02] <mneptok> eshaase: stop. worrying. about. it.
[03:02] <tanath> Cosmo, in nautilus (file manager), go to Edit > Prefs > Preview tab
[03:02] <Cosmo> then what?
[03:02] <mneptok> eshaase: i can't say this enough. Linux will do a better job managing your free memory than you will. stop worrying.
[03:02] <tanath> Nissan_350Z, go to ubuntu.com and download the alternate disc. that's what you're trying to do, right?
[03:03] <Nissan_350Z> ok its opening
[03:03] <Nissan_350Z> yep
[03:03] <Cosmo> @tanath: i have done all of that and set everything to always but i still dont get thumbnails just blank white files
[03:03] <Agent_bob> elux the default setup of sudo is "in my openion" less secure than a good root password,  BUT, if configured properly sudo is a very useful tool, and a box can be tightened far beyond the "normal" security levels...
[03:03] <tanath> Nissan_350Z, you should be able to choose open at the prompt
[03:03] <Pelo> arbir, not sure,  some things are part of the theme some are not , I don't think  tooltip positions are part of basic theming
[03:03] <eshaase> mneptok: well i meant in terms of settings, like maybe reducing the number of lines stored in the buffer or something
[03:03] <mneptok> Nissan_350Z: that torrent download can be stopped and started as much as you need
[03:03] <Nissan_350Z> now what does this do, mneptok?
[03:03] <tanath> Cosmo, hrm, not sure. i think it did it by default for me
[03:03] <mneptok> Nissan_350Z: downloads the alternate CD image
[03:04] <arbir> Pelo:  the apple icon instead of the Human one.. is not there... and the launch panel is still on the top....
[03:04] <arbir> Pelo: do i have to manually move these around ?
[03:04] <mneptok> arbir: Apple icon = instant lawsuit
[03:04] <tanath> Nissan_350Z, you burn that as an 'image' to a CD, which you can then install from
[03:04] <Nissan_350Z> ok
[03:04] <tanath> Nissan_350Z, an image in this sense is a byte-for-byte copy
[03:04] <arbir> mneptok: instant lawsuit if USA, else.. who cares
[03:04]  * mneptok growls at a (still) broken Hardy
[03:04] <Nissan_350Z> how long will it take?
[03:04] <Nissan_350Z> do you think?
[03:04] <tanath> Nissan_350Z, burning? 5-10 mins
[03:05] <mneptok> arbir: i'll bet you'd get sued in Germany and lose
[03:05] <tanath> Nissan_350Z, your download ETA should say in utorrent
[03:05] <arbir> mneptok: how about china ? or vietname ?
[03:05] <Nissan_350Z> no, downloading
[03:05] <Cosmo> @tanath: i had it too and then i lost it
[03:05] <Nissan_350Z> its a 26.4 KBPS internet speed here
[03:05] <arbir> Pelo: can i get icon zooming like in the OSx ?
[03:05] <tanath> Cosmo, maybe wrong permissions on your thumnail cache dir?
[03:05] <Cosmo> @tanath: you can preview pictures before opening them?
[03:05] <Cosmo> @tanath
[03:05] <Pelo> arbir, you can just drag the pannel to where you want it ,  changing the icon for the menu is something you do in gconf-editor,  in  apps > gnome-panel or panel >  somewhere
[03:05] <Cosmo> @tanath:maybe
[03:05] <mneptok> arbir: most probably, yes
[03:06] <tanath> Cosmo, shows the thumbnail...
[03:06] <Agent_bob> arbir get all your warez at <IP_ADDRESS>
[03:06] <tanath> for an icon
[03:06] <Cosmo> @tanath: yes like it is not the same thumbnail for every file correct?
[03:06] <mneptok> arbir: but seeing that you're not in China or Vietnam, it's a moot point.
[03:06] <Pelo> arbir, you do understand that yuou are not in osx right ? you're in linux,  not everyting is available , but it is not impossible that someone made a script to do that , might also be availalbe in compiz as a pluggin
[03:06] <tanath> Cosmo, well, for me it shows the image instead of that
[03:07] <Nissan_350Z> ok guys i guess i will go, its downloading, so, maybe it will work :D, thanks so so sooo much for all of your guys' help, its really appreciated
[03:07] <Cosmo> @tanath: how do i repair the permissions or what you said
[03:07] <MidnighToker> hmm, any way i can get sound juicer to rip to MP3?
[03:07] <tanath> Cosmo, one sec.. gotta find the folder
[03:07] <mneptok> MidnighToker: sudo apt-get install lame ubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:07] <Agent_bob> Pelo kde has icon zooming doesn't it ?
[03:07] <Pelo> Agent_bob, I wouldn'T know
[03:08] <rilo> What would cause "sudo ifconfig eth0 down" to execute without errors, but not bring the interface down?
[03:08] <Pelo> arbir, sorry but I am off,  I have to get up in the morning , best of luck
[03:08] <Pelo> g'night folks
[03:08] <arbir> Pelo: thanks a lot
[03:08] <nickrud> MidnighToker: in the sound-juicer help, under preferences (at the very end) there's some info on setting up soundjuicer to rip to mp3
[03:08] <amenado> rilo its purpose is to bring the interface down
[03:09] <MidnighToker> nickrud: ty
[03:09] <rilo> amenado: I know, but I can enter it right now, and stay connected to IRC via eth0 without getting any error message
[03:09] <Creationist> Okay, I've looked all over the Ubuntu Wiki but still can't get this stupid laptop wireless working.  iwconfig shows the proper card, but I can't get any connection
[03:09] <nickrud> MidnighToker: mneptok's suggested install will make it simpler
[03:09] <amenado> rilo as root?
[03:09] <Agent_bob> rilo rootkit   bug   warpper script   kernel bug   ???
[03:09] <mneptok> rilo: what does ifcofig say you have for interfaces
[03:10] <mneptok> *ifconfig
[03:10] <rilo> amenado: the problem is it's not bringing the interface down... I'm sudoing
[03:10] <MidnighToker> nickrud: i believe i already did that, i think i just need to set it up now.  -annoyingly the machine isn't here, and isn't connected to the internet at its home
[03:10] <rilo> mneptok: : eth0, l0, vmnet1, vmnet8
[03:10] <tanath> Cosmo, ah, did you remove gstreamer?
[03:10] <mneptok> rilo: VMWare?
[03:10] <Cosmo> i might have
[03:10] <rilo> mneptok: yea, but I'm not using it right now
[03:10] <Agent_bob> rilo oh   and    sudo error    to test that one   do    sudo echo boo     if it says boo it's not sudo
[03:10] <arbir> what is the name of the quick launch applet on the taskbar ?
[03:10] <Cosmo> @tanath: how do i reinstall it?
[03:11] <tanath> Cosmo, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=318459
[03:11] <nschembr> Agent_bob, It looks like I'm going to have to mount / on tmpfs and then mount each directory with the bind command to make unionfs work on the /
[03:11] <mneptok> rilo: you mean VMWare is installed on Ubuntu, but not running?
[03:11] <tanath> Cosmo, you can install/reinstall/uninstall apps with synaptic
[03:11] <amenado> rilo
[03:11] <zhanx> Creationist: you using wep or wpa?
[03:11] <mneptok> rilo: or Ubuntu is running in VMWare under another host, but not at the moment?
[03:11] <tanath> Cosmo, or with the add/remove thing
[03:11] <Cosmo> @tanath: you think thats the problem?
[03:11] <tanath> Cosmo, pretty sure you need gstreamer
[03:11] <tanath> Cosmo, so make sure you have it
[03:11] <j_humphrey> I have a weird problem with my top panel, I have a picture as the background, but when I make a new panel, or have an application on the panel, theres a pin striping on it, heres a picture: http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/7113/screenshotpw5.png  How can I get rid of the pinstriping?
[03:12] <amenado> rilo so when you do   sudo ifconfig eth0 down  you get an error?
[03:12] <prettyricky> Is there anyway to get Itunes in Ubuntu?
[03:12] <rilo> mneptok: I installed VMWare to work on something a number of months ago
[03:12] <Creationist> zhanx: Not sure... with Windows, it just finds the network and connects (this is my neighbors laptop/connection)
[03:12] <zhanx> prettyricky: no
[03:12] <rilo> Agent_bob: hm, it does say boo
[03:12] <prettyricky> cool thanks, what is everyone using for mp3's?
[03:12] <amenado> rilo so when you do   sudo ifconfig eth0 down  you get an error?
[03:12] <mneptok> rilo: try "sudo invoke-rc.d networking stop"
[03:12] <Creationist> zhanx: I'm thinking his network isn't secured at all (something I'll talk to him about once I get this working)
[03:13] <rilo> amenado: nope, no error. it looks fine
[03:13] <__Oz__> Creationist: yeah...  Ubuntu's two biggest weaknesses are 1) wireless driver support and 2) video codec support...  neither are the fault of linux/ubuntu but they are big weaknesses.
[03:13] <Agent_bob> rilo oh   and    sudo error    to test that one   do    sudo echo boo     if it says boo it's not sudo
[03:13] <rilo> mneptok: still here
[03:13] <zhanx> Creationist: whats it calling the interface
[03:13] <Creationist> zhanx: eth1
[03:13] <amicrawler> ah i thougt i would never say this !!!! it is good to be back home with linux
[03:13] <amenado> rilo can you then paste what you get when you do type that  sudo ifconfig eth0 down ?  youmentioned about an error, kind of confusing what you are saying
[03:14]  * Agent_bob is beginning to suspect sudo on rilo's box
[03:14] <mneptok> rilo: could be VMware modules holding the service open. *shrug*
[03:14] <prettyricky> Also can I just connect my Ipod to Ubuntu without suffering any damage?
[03:14] <__Oz__> Agent_bob: I'm with you.
[03:14] <tanath> amicrawler, lol... why's that?
[03:14] <rilo> amenado: no error is given at all, it just gives me the prompt
[03:14] <zhanx> Creationist: iwconfig give you that
[03:14] <amicrawler> mac os x suck bigtime
[03:14] <zhanx> or ifconfig
[03:14] <emma> My nautilus sporadically keeps on crashing. It seems possible that it has something to do with playing music off of my external hard drive? Not sure. Is there any way to narrow down the cause?
[03:14] <amicrawler> and so does windows
[03:14] <amenado> rilo what prompt?
[03:14] <Agent_bob> amenado he said "no error"
[03:14] <tanath> amicrawler, what's wrong with osx?
[03:15] <amicrawler> i don;t like sco
[03:15] <Creationist> zhanx: Right.  THere is "lo", "eth0" too... neither of those have wireless extentions.
[03:15] <rilo> amenado: my shell prompt
[03:15] <amicrawler> its bsd not freebsd
[03:15] <willy-br> good night, anybody can help me?
[03:15] <Shirakawasuna> sco != osx
[03:15] <j_humphrey> I have a weird problem with my top panel, I have a picture as the background, but when I make a new panel, or have an application on the panel, theres a pin striping on it, heres a picture: http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/7113/screenshotpw5.png  How can I get rid of the pinstriping?
[03:15] <mneptok> amicrawler: uh ...
[03:15] <mneptok> amicrawler: BSD has nothing to with SCO
[03:15] <amicrawler> mac was great back on os 9
[03:15] <tanath> amicrawler, nobody likes sco... but they're dead, lol
[03:15] <starked> list
[03:16] <mneptok> amicrawler: SCO has IP cliams on SysV, not BSD.
[03:16] <Agent_bob> rilo would you care to test sudo for us.     sudo echo boo
[03:16] <kostkon> j_humphrey, i think it's something to do with the gnome theme you use
[03:16] <tanath> amicrawler, i believe they're filing for bankruptcy, IIRC
[03:16] <rilo> Agent_bob: why wouldn't sudo be able to use echo... I did say it returned "boo"
[03:16] <zhanx> Creationist: so sudo iwconfig eth1 essid -network name- does ?
[03:16] <prettyricky> Also can I just connect my Ipod to Ubuntu without suffering any damage?
[03:16] <amicrawler> bsd   i just don;t like how os x is ran
[03:16] <EmmerP> hi
[03:16] <__Oz__> prettyricky: unknown
[03:16] <j_humphrey> kostkon, I have emerald to a custom theme, and the appearance to a custom theme as well
[03:16] <amicrawler> the termanal is broken
[03:16] <Cosmo> @tanath: i have most of the gstreamer packages installed according to synaptics
[03:17] <tanath> prettyricky, damage?
[03:17] <EmmerP> should it be possible to seek in an asf file (streamed), with vlc, totem or mplayer?
[03:17] <mneptok> amicrawler: anyhow, you should be discussing this in #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:17] <Creationist> zhanx: I don't know the name of his network.  Like I said, Windows just listed local networks... I can't even get that.
[03:17] <amicrawler> any rock on ubuntu
[03:17] <zhanx> ok
[03:17] <prettyricky> Yeah I dont want to connect my Ipod then lose all my data :n(\
[03:17] <tanath> Cosmo, just a nitpick, but it's synaptic, not synaptics. synaptics is an app for laptops ;)
[03:17] <__Oz__> prettyricky: I'd avoid it.
[03:17] <kostkon> j_humphrey, try changing it to a different one, the gtk theme I mean, just to see if the panel back will appear ok
[03:17] <amicrawler> were we know what are bugs are and are not afraid of them
[03:18] <__Oz__> I ain't afraid of no gho-- er, bug.
[03:18] <BIOSboiler> hi, how do i install php5? with apt-get?
[03:18] <prettyricky> Ok, ty
[03:18] <mneptok> amicrawler: please, move to #ubuntu-offtopic for such talk. (strike two)
[03:18] <__Oz__> prettyricky: yw
[03:18] <Agent_bob> rilo sorry i didn't see your first post of "it returns boo".   ok. that rules out it being sudo.   you did    ifconfig      just to see that the eth0 is still up ?
[03:18] <nschembr> Agent_bob thank you for your time
[03:18] <tanath> emma, that could be it, but i'm not sure what to do about it at the moment. you could try copying some music off it, and playing off the installed hard drive and see if it still does it
[03:18] <Creationist> prettyricky: I've been able to use all my different mp3 players without too much trouble.
[03:18] <Cosmo> @tanath: yeah i soon realized that...my touch pad is synaptics :P
[03:19] <__Oz__> Creationist: INCLUDING an ipod?
[03:19] <amicrawler> the lirc  does that work right off the bat?
[03:19] <rilo> Agent_bob: yea... I brought down the two vmware interfaces and that worked fine... eth0 still hanging on strong though
[03:19] <amicrawler> i have a mac mini running 7.10
[03:19] <emma> Tanath, yeah I think I will move the music to the internal hard drive, and disconnect the external for a while and see if it still happens.
[03:19] <Cosmo> @tanath:any other ideas?
[03:19] <Creationist> __Oz__: Well, the iPod Shuffle IS still technically an iPod ;)
[03:19] <edwin> anyone know of a good gamedev channel?
[03:19] <tanath> Cosmo, did you check out that thread?
[03:19] <emma> (the scientific method for the win)
[03:19] <J-T-W> can i pm someone 'bout runnin' ubuntu on my lap'?
[03:19] <Creationist> __Oz__: I certainly wouldn't even bother with a newer iPod
[03:19] <Agent_bob> nschembr welcome,  and sorry i'm lagging so badly right now.     i have about 7 more hours of full bandwidth usage to go.
[03:20] <tanath> emma, yeah, if it doesn't, then you've narrowed down the problem. if it does... then i guess you should come back here and find some more help
[03:20] <prettyricky> Creationist----> did you just plug and played your Ipod?
[03:20] <tanath> emma, you can also try the ubuntu forums
[03:20] <emma> Okay tanath.
[03:20] <Cosmo> @tanath: Yes
[03:20] <mneptok> prettyricky: you need to use iTunes to put the iPod into "Disk Mode"
[03:20] <prettyricky> I dont want to plug it and like I said earlier lose all my data........
[03:20] <Creationist> prettyricky: If I remember correctly, yes.  The only player I've had trouble with was my Sansa.
[03:20] <__Oz__> Creationist: now you're talking.
[03:20] <emma> I've been looking through Ubuntu Forums quite a bit I don't find anything very clearly related.
[03:20] <mneptok> prettyricky: and if it was formatted on a Mac, you'll want to reformat it
[03:20] <tanath> emma, did you try posting about your problem?
[03:21] <trusatoRi> prettyricky: Been using my ipod with ubuntu for a couple of years now, never had any corruption issues and that's been with lots of gtkpod use
[03:21] <Creationist> mneptok: Have you tried RockBox?  Not sure how it works with "disk mode" and such, but it's a new firmware for iPods... worked great on my Sansa
[03:21] <prettyricky> Oh no dont want to reformat cause then I will wipe everything
[03:21] <emma> No I haven't posted the problem.
[03:21] <mneptok> Creationist: i've used it for months on an e280.
[03:21] <BIOSboiler> hi, how do i install php5? with apt-get??
[03:21] <prettyricky> whats gtkpod? sorry newbie
[03:21] <Creationist> prettyricky: Well, before you try anything, you should ALWAYS make a backup of whatever data is on your iPod.
[03:21] <tanath> emma, well, that's what i meant. you can try that if you still have problems
[03:21] <jrib> !lamp > BIOSboiler (read the private message from ubotu)
[03:21] <tanath> if not, you might want to file a bug report
[03:21] <willy-br> tanath, we're i can find some help in ubuntu?
[03:21] <trusatoRi> prettyricky: gtkpod is an app to transfer music to an ipod
[03:21] <prettyricky> Creationist---> that is very true thank you!'
[03:22] <Creationist> mneptok: Ah.  I had the e260, I believe (4gb)
[03:22] <prettyricky> can I get that of the apt-get
[03:22] <tanath> willy-br, usually here, or on the ubuntu forums. or by filing a bug report if you have a bug
[03:22] <willy-br> tanath, i mean, live help
[03:22] <Cosmo> @tanath: if it helps, sometimes when i view pics, then the thumbnails show up
[03:22] <starked> Does anyone here have any idea how to get Anjuta working?  I can get it to compile my code, but it won't enable the "build" option
[03:22] <tanath> willy-br, well, that would generally be here
[03:22] <Creationist> zhanx: No more ideas for me, eh?
[03:22] <emma> I suppose I should try that if need be.
[03:22] <CaptainMurphy> Hey, I'm haveing a bunch trouble installing ubuntu
[03:22] <amicrawler> i have a qestion about sound card
[03:22] <trusatoRi> prettyricky: yessir
[03:22] <willy-br> tanath, you don't respond your private?
[03:22] <Creationist> willy-br: Most people here won't.
[03:23] <tanath> Cosmo, ah, yeah i think my system used to do that originally... but some time ago it started doing it automatically for all of them
[03:23] <CaptainMurphy> Which sounds kind of retarded becuase it should be easy right?
[03:23] <tanath> willy-br, you need to be registered to PM
[03:23] <zhanx> Creationist: sorry in the bathroo,m
[03:23] <elux> hey guys
[03:23] <Agent_bob> rilo check the process table to see what might be running interfearance there ?    i'm like you.  that's a new can of verms,  very interested in what is causing it...
[03:23] <prettyricky> trusatoRi----> Thanks a bunch.. so do I just sudo apt-get gtkpod?
[03:23] <Creationist> CaptainMurphy: It's easy for MOST computers... on others it's absolute hell ;)
[03:23] <elux> does anyone here run the ubuntu applicance on vmware fusion? i installed vmware tools but i cannot get my network to work.. it works just fine on windows.. ive tried everything
[03:23] <Creationist> zhanx: Well, that's not allowed :P
[03:23] <amenado> rilo try sudo ip link set eth0 down
[03:23] <trusatoRi> prettyricky: exactly
[03:23] <willy-br> creationist, its a total mess to describe my problem here and get the adequate response
[03:23] <zhanx> Creationist: by chance you got aircrack-ng installed cause you could use airodump to get the essid
[03:23] <trusatoRi> prettyricky: actually, sudo apt-get install gtkpod
[03:24] <prettyricky> oops thanks lol
[03:24] <trusatoRi> ;]
[03:24] <Creationist> zhanx: Not unless it's installed by default.... the lappy has no internet to install anything with ;)
[03:24] <cr4z3d> hmm.. i'm trying to launch a script everytime something connects via bluetooth. any one know if this is possible?
[03:24] <amicrawler> where do i black list a device ?
[03:24] <CaptainMurphy> I'm doing a dual boot ubuntu/xp. I'v already loaded xp, and I want to have ubuntu partion itself 35gigs, with a 4 gig swap and the rest of my harddrive (like 160 gigs) into fat32 so that both xp and ubuntu can get at it.
[03:24] <zhanx> Creationist: thinkabout, what is his router and the defualt essid name? linksys?
[03:25] <edwin> don't most of the jukebox programs come with ipod integration too? i know amarok, exaile and rhythmbox do
[03:25] <Cosmo> @tanath: I'm desperate please help :[
[03:25] <tanath> CaptainMurphy, you can use ntfs in linux too
[03:25] <prettyricky> will give it a try!
[03:25] <Creationist> zhanx: Well, crap... I don't know any of that.  I suppose I could just boot into Windows and take a look...
[03:25] <trusatoRi> CaptainMorgan: Sounds easy enough
[03:25] <tanath> Cosmo, desperate for thumbnail icons? doesn't seem all that important to me, lol..
[03:25] <starked> Does anyone here have any idea how to get Anjuta working?  I can get it to compile my code, but it won't enable the "build" option
[03:25] <Creationist> zhanx: I seem to remember the network being something like "SoftTouch"
[03:25] <CaptainMurphy> however every time I try to do that i get this message "the attempt to mouth at file system with type vfat in scsi1 (0,0,0), partition #6 (sda) at /share failed
[03:25] <Agent_bob> Creationist no eth card/port ?
[03:25] <zhanx> Creationist: really need the essid to connect to a wireless u know
[03:25] <tanath> Cosmo, alright, lemme check for something
[03:25] <Creationist> Agent_bob: Built-in
[03:26] <amenado> rilo that did it right?
[03:26] <CaptainMorgan> sure does trusatoRi
[03:26] <CaptainMurphy> I don't understand why it won't format the rest of my harddrive
[03:26] <sussel> i have installed ubuntu 7.10 in my notebook, but the firefox navegator have a problem, in scream make dark
[03:26] <Creationist> zhanx: Well, I can't even get a list of networks....
[03:26] <Agent_bob> Creationist crossover cable is handy
[03:26] <trusatoRi> This is during installation of Ubuntu?
[03:26] <edwin> Creationist: what kind of card do you have again?
[03:26] <tanath> Cosmo, run gconf-editor
[03:26] <zhanx> Creationist: in windows? then it might be managed by differentt software
[03:27] <amenado> Agent_bob-> that eth0 must me killed, he is not responding.
[03:27] <tanath> Cosmo, go to 'desktop > gnome > thumbnailers'
[03:27] <Creationist> edwin: He has a Broadcom BCM4318 AirForce One 54g
[03:27] <tanath> Cosmo, make sure you don't have 'disable_all' checked
[03:27] <edwin> Creationist: oh god... i'll sit this one out :-\
[03:27] <CaptainMurphy> Can anyone help me understand why ubuntu refuses to format the rest of my harddrive in fat32?
[03:27] <[chr0n0s]> how can i assign ATL+F5 to some program ?
[03:27] <Creationist> edwin: lol yeah, that's what I've read
[03:27] <Cosmo> @tanath: Where is that option?
[03:27] <Agent_bob> amenado ping him ?
[03:27] <trusatoRi> CaptainMorgan: What are you using to format?
[03:27] <islan> hello
[03:28] <IdleOne> CaptainMurphy, why fat32?
[03:28] <islan> I finally have my ubuntu machine working again!
[03:28] <tanath> Cosmo, click 'thumbnailers' on the left
[03:28] <amenado> Agent_bob-> nah..
[03:28] <CaptainMorgan> trusatoRi, please, use the correct handle :)
[03:28] <GunbladeIV> [chr0n0s], set it to your system>preferences>keyboard shortcut
[03:28] <CaptainMurphy> I'm doing a dual boot
[03:28] <tanath> Cosmo, it should show on the right
[03:28] <Creationist> IdleOne: I don't think he cares to learn how to fish ;)
[03:28] <edwin> CaptainMurphy: well, you could always try setting up your partitions manually then run the installer
[03:28] <Frijolie> hey all, anyone up for helping me install a new laser printer?
[03:28] <prettyricky> trusatoRi-----> when I plug my Ipod will it show up automatically or where do I go to use it?
[03:28] <trusatoRi> CaptainMorgan: hahaha
[03:28] <edwin> gparted i think
[03:28] <Frijolie> danbhfive: hola!
[03:28] <IdleOne> CaptainMurphy, ubuntu works great with NTFS
[03:28] <CaptainMurphy> 35 gigs is xp, 35 is ubuntu, 4 gig swap, rest fat32
[03:28] <zhanx> Creationist: your in luck https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/Broadcom_BCM4318_%5BAirForce_One_54g%5D
[03:28] <trusatoRi> CaptainMurphy: And what app are you using to format this with?
[03:29] <[chr0n0s]> GunbladeIV, i want open firefox with ATL+F5, and firefox is not there in that list
[03:29] <trusatoRi> CaptainMurphy: The installer?
[03:29] <purple> hi....
[03:29] <CaptainMurphy> I'm using the installed
[03:29] <edwin> IdleOne: isn't ntfs preferred over fat anyways?
[03:29] <CaptainMurphy> on the ubuntu cd
[03:29] <IdleOne> edwin, yes
[03:29] <Creationist> zhanx: Right, I saw that page too.... however, no internet connection
[03:29] <trusatoRi> He's trying to have a shared part for both xp and linux
[03:29] <islan> so I just upgraded to 7.10, and the visual effects have been such a huge improvement, I was wondering if there were more effects that I was not aware of...?
[03:29] <Agent_bob> CaptainMurphy ummm mtools installed ?
[03:29] <IdleOne> edwin, in windows it is at least
[03:29] <willy-br> anyone knows why i can't delete some files on my hard drive runnin ubuntu live cd?
[03:29] <tanath> trusatoRi, ntfs-3g
[03:29] <danbhfive> Frijolie: hi
[03:29] <zhanx> Creationist: umm grab your lan cable
[03:29] <CaptainMurphy> mtools?
[03:29] <Creationist> Hmm... I suppose I could break my connection to this system and move it there.
[03:29] <Creationist> lol
[03:29] <Creationist> zhanx: Yeah, I figured that too.
[03:29] <edwin> IdleOne: i thought that was implied, :-P obviously there are better fs's
[03:30] <BIOSboiler> i need help please, i have installed postfix, and dovecot imap server, they both work, now i am trying to get squireelmail to work has anyone ever gotten squirrelmail to work in here if so please i just have one question
[03:30] <Agent_bob> CaptainMurphy but i have one question for you.   why not let windows format it's own crap ?
[03:30] <trusatoRi> CaptainMurphy: You may want to try to partition first using something like the gparted livecd, if you wanna go the fat32 route, or you can format it ntfs and use ntfs-3g, as tanath said, or use ext3 and use the windows driver, either will get what you want done
[03:30] <edwin> whoever was asking about visual effects, you'l have to download cssb from synaptic
[03:30] <Frijolie> danbhfive: you good at getting printers installed?
[03:30] <nemik> anyone here got an ATI HD 2400 pro card working with ubuntu and compiz?
[03:30] <zhanx> Creationist: your getting paid at least a 12 pack for this right
[03:30] <trusatoRi> nemik: I have an HD 3850
[03:30] <Scunizi> edwin, ccsm
[03:30] <prettyricky> trusatoRi-----> when I plug my Ipod will it show up automatically or where do I go to use it?
[03:30] <Creationist> zhanx: Actually, this is pro-bono.
[03:30] <Cosmo> @tanath: Nope thats fine.  Another thing is like if i have a .pdf or a .txt it shows the same blank icon for both..thats why i am desperate becuase it gets confusing
[03:30] <edwin> ccsm*
[03:31] <__Oz__> nemik: Compiz really dislikes ATI cards.
[03:31] <trusatoRi> prettyricky: It should show up on the desktop
[03:31] <edwin> oh, Scunizi caught it already, thanks
[03:31] <Frijolie> danbhfive: i can't seem to get my new wireless laser printer intsalled / working properly
[03:31] <nemik> __Oz__:i know. that's why i'm asking
[03:31] <tanath> Cosmo, well you can have a column showing the file type, but i see your problem. i'm still looking
[03:31] <Creationist> zhanx: He gave me his Windows notebook to stop the porn from popping up every time he turns it on.  So I fixed that issue and installed Ubuntu on the side ;).  Can't really charge for a service he didn't ask for.
[03:31] <nemik> trusatoRi: is it working with compiz?
[03:31] <CaptainMurphy> Agent_bob, I already formated one partion in xp, I'm trying to let ubuntu do the rest of the work becuase this was recomended as the easyest way
[03:31] <BIOSboiler> i need help please, i have installed postfix, and dovecot imap server, they both work, now i am trying to get squireelmail to work has anyone ever gotten squirrelmail to work in here if so please i just have one question
[03:31] <NW2190> Hey, could anyone explain to me, or show me a website that explains, how ubuntu handles USB devices?
[03:31] <[chr0n0s]> __Oz__, with new drivers, they seem to be fine
[03:31] <zhanx> Creationist:  your evil
[03:31] <Agent_bob> Creationist dutch treet eeh...
[03:31] <Creationist> zhanx: He's one of those people that delights in shelling out subscription fees to SYmantec and such to stay "protected"
[03:31] <Acoustyk> quick question
[03:31] <trusatoRi> nemik: yessir, well enough, used envy for drivers, and that was about all the config it needed
[03:32] <rilo> sooo... that worked lol. I just kept executing "sudo ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig eth0" over and over again until it actually went down
[03:32] <NW2190> I've been having trouble finding some devices and I think the problem is that I just don't know how USB devices are handled.
[03:32] <dsoffs> i found a wireless acesspoing named "keep out" how can i find the WEP key with aircrack?
[03:32] <edwin> symantec = satan..no thanks
[03:32] <Acoustyk> my window title bars are red and wont change when I open the appearance manager what do I do?
[03:32] <__Oz__> chr0n0s: which new drivers?
[03:32] <amenado> CaptainMorgan-> dont let it use the default "use all" partitions , try to manually pick and choose
[03:32] <Creationist> edwin: Yeah... hence the reason I removed it from his Windows install. :P
[03:32] <[chr0n0s]> Acoustyk, install emerald
[03:32] <edwin> Creationist: lmao
[03:32] <nemik> trusatoRi: cool, thanks. hopefully 2400 pro is not much different
[03:32] <CaptainMurphy> I've been doing it in the manual part
[03:33] <Creationist> edwin: Upon doing so, though, it notified me that uninstalling may cause him to lose his remaining 303 days of subscription.  What the crap kind of business is that??
[03:33] <tanath> Cosmo, check /apps/nautilus/preferences > thumbnail_limit
[03:33] <Agent_bob> Creationist i like to ask that type "protected from what?"
[03:33] <prettyricky> What if it doenst... where can I look for it?
[03:33] <tanath> Cosmo, in gconf-editor
[03:33] <zhanx> Creationist: doing your part to save the world from spam one pc at a time
[03:33] <trusatoRi> prettyricky: We can try to figure that out if it happens ;]
[03:33] <Creationist> Agent_bob: Well, protected from the porn spyware that he asked me to take care of for him, apparently ;)
[03:33] <Agent_bob> rilo nfs shares ?
[03:33] <prettyricky> Well lol it just did????
[03:34] <edwin> Creationist: thats crap, what if he just wanted to move the software to a different machine (i mean, i'm sure that loading it on dual machines is forbidden, similar to the windows liscence)?
[03:34] <rilo> Agent_bob: nope
[03:34] <trusatoRi> Is it set to be used as a disk drive using itunes in windows?
[03:34] <prettyricky> check the packages and it gtkpod was installed
[03:34] <edwin> Creationist:  +1 for open source
[03:34] <Creationist> edwin: Yeah, I was appalled to read that when uninstalling.
[03:34] <CaptainMurphy> Is it possible to go in later and format the free space on my HD after I've installed all this
[03:34] <__Oz__> I have that sort of thing, Creationist.
[03:34] <Creationist> edwin: But I hit continue anyway ;)
[03:34] <CaptainMurphy> like will it mount ...etc... even if I don't tell it a mount point right now?
[03:34] <edwin> Creationist: ha
[03:34] <Agent_bob> Creationist yes like i said -- i like to ask that type "protected from what?"    after about the third time they start to get the idea.
[03:34] <trusatoRi> CaptainMurphy: Sure, but I'd suggest the use of the gparted livecd to do whatever partitioning you want, and then select them manually in the installer
[03:35] <prettyricky> do I need to ctl-alt backspace?
[03:35] <trusatoRi> (doing the partitioning first)
[03:35] <CaptainMurphy> whats the gparted livecd
[03:35] <trusatoRi> http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/
[03:35] <CaptainMurphy> do I get that offline?
[03:35] <trusatoRi> Like a free partition magic
[03:35] <edwin> trusatoRi: isn't gparted on the ubuntu livecd anyways?
[03:35] <Cosmo> @tanath:It is set to 10.5 million
[03:35] <trusatoRi> prettyricky: probably not, but make sure it's set to use as a disk drive on your windows comp, in itunes
[03:35] <zozobra> how can i change the default shell for a user?
[03:35] <Creationist> Well, I figured he's the kinda guy that uses his laptop for pictures, surfing, email... the basics.  Why not try giving him a stress free OS?  Of course, this means tons of stress for me.
[03:35] <[chr0n0s]> Norton is the most spread virus, you don't need a virus to hog down your pc, norton will do it for you and will make you pay subscription fee to do it too!
[03:35] <chrisb_> i'm trying to build ubuntu, and hit a snag, does anyone have any ideas?
[03:35] <prettyricky> oh ok thanks!
[03:35] <pawan> hi
[03:35] <zozobra> i'm looking to change it to a shell that's non-existent so as to disable ssh access
[03:36] <trusatoRi> edwin: yeah, but I've had better luck for some reason with the seperate one, besides the fact it's far less bloated and quicker to boot :P
[03:36] <Agent_bob> rilo hmmm   samba ?       i'm trying to think of anything that might possably hi-jack a network interface...
[03:36] <rilo> Creationist: are you really a creationist or are you just trolling? :)
[03:36] <edwin> zozobra: system > preferences >preferred apps i believe
[03:36] <Scunizi> chrisb_, pull gently on the line with increasing pressure until it either comes loose or snaps the line.
[03:36] <Starnestommy> zozobra: sudo usermod -s /path/to/shell user
[03:36] <rilo> Agent_bob: nope! hardly anything on here
[03:36] <Creationist> rilo: Well, I'm no troll.... so I'll go with the former ;)
[03:36] <tanath> Cosmo, uh, wow
[03:36] <edwin> trusatoRi: touche
[03:36] <dsoffs> i found a wireless acesspoing named "keep out" how can i find the WEP key with aircrack?
[03:36] <dsoffs> i found a wireless acesspoing named "keep out" how can i find the WEP key with aircrack?
[03:36] <chrisb_> @Scunizi  thank you
[03:36] <dsoffs> someone help me hack!
[03:36] <BIOSboiler> i need help please, i have installed postfix, and dovecot imap server, they both work, now i am trying to get squireelmail to work has anyone ever gotten squirrelmail to work in here if so please i just have one question
[03:36] <spikemcc> is there a msn client that actually just work on linux ... all ones that i have tried don't start ...
[03:36] <dsoffs> someone help me hack!
[03:36] <chrisb_> @Scunizi  i think that'll fix everything
[03:36] <dsoffs> pelase!
[03:37] <dsoffs> i need free interne!
[03:37] <BIOSboiler> help please
[03:37] <Pici> dsoffs: This isn't that type of channel.
[03:37] <prince_jammys> lol
[03:37] <tanath> Cosmo, mine is set to 5242880
[03:37] <dsoffs> yeah it is
[03:37] <zhanx> dsoffs: go research it
[03:37] <Pici> !illegal | dsoffs
[03:37] <ubotu> dsoffs: piracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o
[03:37] <BIOSboiler> i need a serious linux dude to help please
[03:37] <dsoffs> it's a help channel
[03:37] <BIOSboiler> i need help please, i have installed postfix, and dovecot imap server, they both work, now i am trying to get squireelmail to work has anyone ever gotten squirrelmail to work in here if so please i just have one question
[03:37] <ogre> where can I get  ruby-gtk2 and ruby-libglade2 packages?
[03:37] <edwin> dsoffs...oh god..
[03:37] <dsoffs> MHAHAHAHAHAHHHA
[03:37] <tanath> Cosmo, try that. maybe it's too large
[03:37] <Scunizi> chrisb_, you have to be more specific in your questions..
[03:37] <chrisb_> @Scunizi  specifically, when i build the menu config  (make menuconfig) it crashes
[03:37] <dsoffs> MUAHAHAHAHHA
[03:37] <Agent_bob> rilo i'll second the band wagon, i'm no troll either.
[03:37] <Creationist> dsoffs: Go read The Complete and Utterly Inept Criminal's Guide to Stupid Fanboy Hobbies.
[03:37] <dsoffs> acutally i've hacked many WEP and WPA accesspoints.
[03:37] <Scunizi> chrisb_, are you building from source?
[03:37] <dsoffs> just wondering how you guys reply.
[03:37] <prince_jammys> like that
[03:37] <edwin> Creationist: LMFAO
[03:38] <rilo> Agent_bob: so does that mean you're really an agent? :)
[03:38] <chrisb_> @Scunizi   yes i am,  i'm building it the "Old fashion debian way"
[03:38] <tanath> dsoffs, what if someone needs 'help' doing something to your system? ;p
[03:38] <edwin> dsoffs: ganking wireless is hardly considered hacking
[03:38] <Creationist> Okay, that guy was the most pointless little nuisance I've ever seen in here... lol
[03:38] <Creationist> kids...
[03:38] <spikemcc> is there a msn client that actually just work on linux ... all ones that i have tried don't start ...
[03:38] <Agent_bob> dsoffs join the mil.  free inet.  free food.   free bullets...
[03:38] <[chr0n0s]> spikemcc, use pidgin
[03:38] <dsoffs> it's the beginning of a huge understanding.
[03:38] <Creationist> spikemcc: aMSN and Pidgin work well for me.
[03:38] <IdleOne> tanath, edwin dont feed the trolls please
[03:38] <Scunizi> chrisb_, well... you're WAY beyond my capabilities.. sorry I can't help more.
[03:38] <zhanx> Agent_bob: no we have to pay for internet
[03:38] <BIOSboiler> fuck
[03:38] <tanath> IdleOne, aw :P
[03:39] <IdleOne> !ohmy | BIOSboiler
[03:39] <prince_jammys> oh my
[03:39] <ubotu> BIOSboiler: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[03:39] <spikemcc> no hope for me it crash ...
[03:39] <BIOSboiler> has anyone ever installed squirrelmail?
[03:39] <edwin> IdleOne: fair enough
[03:39] <BIOSboiler> ubotu have u installed squirelmail
[03:39] <dsoffs> spikemcc, might be your router or firewall, aMSN works on everyone elses network except thru my router/firewall.
[03:39] <chrisb_> ok
[03:39] <Starnestommy> BIOSboiler: ubotu is a bot
[03:39] <Agent_bob> rilo heh.  yeah and a creationest.  which is what i was refering to.
[03:39] <ogre> where can I get  ruby-gtk2 and ruby-libglade2 packages?
[03:39] <rilo> Agent_bob: haha, oh :D
[03:39] <edwin> msn is a horrible protocol to begin with, but thats beside the point. gaim, kopete, and amsn all worked out of the box for me. what kind of problems were you having?
[03:39] <BIOSboiler> is this room just newbies?
[03:39] <IdleOne> !squirelmail
[03:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about squirelmail - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:39] <chrisb_> @Scunizi   thanks, i'll see if i can't find a developer irc chat
[03:39] <Cosmo> @tanath:still nothing.  For example my tar.gz files that are set to open with archive manager used to all be litle carton boxes, but now they are just blank white files like everything else, so i have to rely on the extension which is horrible.
[03:39] <pygmymath> BIOSboiler: nope... some of us are non newbies helping newbies :)
[03:40] <spikemcc> pidgin amsn kopete and kmess all don't work
[03:40] <NigelS> chrisb_: what are you building?
[03:40] <Scunizi> chrisb_, maybe  #ubuntu-dev.. not sure if it's correct but it's something like that.
[03:40] <tanath> Cosmo, yeah, i understand the problem. i'm just not sure if it's a configuration/preference problem, or if something is missing or what
[03:40] <jones> i run an exchange server 2007 at work. when i am at home i do not have any access at all to the exchange server. all i can use is an OWA webmail page. is there a way to use evolution to access this account?
[03:40] <edwin> spikemcc: why? i mean, running them from command line, what error do you get?
[03:40] <Creationist> spikemcc: Then I suggest you fix whatever you broke on your system....
[03:40] <Agent_bob> BIOSboiler mostly tho
[03:40] <NigelS> chrisb_: if you had an error building menuconfig most likely you don't have the ncurses dev lib
[03:40] <tanath> Cosmo, i've been looking through settings, but those haven't worked yet
[03:40] <amicrawler> hey how do i black list a device ? i don;t want it broadcasting any more
[03:41] <Pici> jones: I've only actually been able to get Evolution to access exchange via OWA, so, yes, it should work fine.
[03:41] <BIOSboiler> pygmymath---- do u know anything about squireelmail?
[03:41] <dsoffs> are there any programs that'll make my wiener bigger?
[03:41] <slop> Every time I try to cd to /cdrom, I get this message: bash: cd: /cdrom: Permission denied.  Any ideas?
[03:41] <Creationist> dsoffs: Yep -   sudo rm -rf /
[03:41] <spikemcc> seem that pidgin work but it crash a lot
[03:41] <DG19075> It's because of folks like dsoffs that I yanked my wifi card and went wired. Best thing I ever did
[03:41] <dsoffs> i was told to take a pic and use gimp to enhance, then tape on.
[03:41] <Creationist> Man, I never tell anyone to do that either...
[03:41] <Scunizi> Creationist, :)
[03:41] <Stagger> hi, my other partitions have disappeared from the desktop. While I was erasing some files from the data partition (NTFS), I got an error msg (cant show all the content in this folder), and now looks like I cant acces any folder at all
[03:41] <Creationist> Probably never should have written that.... sorry, guiys.
[03:41] <Cosmo> @tanath: I know and im so thankful for all of your help
[03:41] <TurtleOfDoom> slop: ls -l /cdrom
[03:41] <edwin> Creationist: you're my hero
[03:42] <slop> TurtleOfDoom: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 2008-02-16 23:36 /cdrom -> media/cdrom
[03:42] <tanath> Cosmo, ok, the thumbnails aren't working for anything, so it's not gstreamer. it doesn't seem to be a preference/setting issue...
[03:42] <jones> pici: when i put in my username/password and the OWA URL it says that it is incorrect. i have even tried w/ the domain as well
[03:42] <Creationist> Pici: I do know better... hence the apology. :)
[03:42] <bullgard4> Why is dd a process in Gutsy although I did not instruct any dd command?
[03:42] <Creationist> Pici: Couldn't resist....
[03:42] <TurtleOfDoom> hmm, world readable and writable
[03:42] <mneptok> Cosmo: do you have thumbnailing turned on in gconf? what is the cache size limit?
[03:43] <Pici> jones: Hmm.. It could be the setup that I have at work, the server admins aren't exactly the best with sercurity.
[03:43] <Stagger> it!
[03:43] <edwin> Creationist: youre like the anti-chri... anti-troll
[03:43] <Stagger> !it
[03:43] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[03:43] <jones> could be. this is actually for a very large US telco
[03:43] <Creationist> edwin: Hmm... part of me wants to laugh, b ut the other part has no clue what you're talking about lol
[03:44] <ogre> where can I get  ruby-gtk2 and ruby-libglade2 packages?
[03:44] <Agent_bob> bullgard4 they are using it in a logging script   klogd i think
[03:44] <edwin> ogre: sudo apt-get install ruby-gnome2
[03:44] <TurtleOfDoom> slop: give me a minute
[03:44] <slop> TurtleOfDoom: ok
[03:44] <jones> pici: i tried find an irc chanel for evolution but all i could find was the openoffice.org and it is dead in there. do u know of another channel that maybe able to help?
[03:44] <Cosmo> @mneptok: Yea my settings are fine.
[03:44] <Creationist> Ruby is fricken awesome.... just wish I knew more than hello world :)
[03:44] <Agent_bob> bullgard4 look at what it's reading and where it's writing and you'll understand it.
[03:44] <mneptok> Cosmo: you ran gconf to check?
[03:45] <Cosmo> yes
[03:45] <Pici> jones: I beleive the Official evolution channel is on irc.gimp.org
[03:45] <edwin> Creationist: you're like the troll anti-christ. you know, leading all the trolls into false salvation in reality cursin them into eternal damnation
[03:45] <Cosmo> what settings do you want me to chekc
[03:45] <TurtleOfDoom> slop: the command works fine for me, are you typing "cd /cdrom"?
[03:45] <mneptok> Pici: irc://irc.gnome.org/evolution
[03:45] <tanath> Cosmo, do you have a .thumbnails directory?
[03:45] <edwin> <<newbie rubyist.. LOVE it
[03:45] <Cosmo> Yes
[03:45] <spikemcc> anyone got a tutorial how to remove and rebuild amsn-aa (latest) and add some skins and addons ?
[03:45] <Beryllium> hey mneptok, ltns
[03:45] <mneptok> Beryllium: heya
[03:45] <Beryllium> how's life treating you?
[03:46] <Creationist> edwin: Well, they've earned it :)
[03:46] <slop> TurtleOfDoom: yeah.  and i could access the last cd i was using just fine.  the cd i'm having problems with is actually disk 2 (as well as disk 3) of quake 4
[03:46] <slop> TurtleOfDoom: disk 1 would let me access though
[03:46] <mneptok> Beryllium: 2 months to release. you tell me. ;)
[03:46] <Mylon> Hmm...
[03:46] <Beryllium> yikes! :)
[03:46] <Mylon> Was gonna ask a question, but let me validate the disk first.
[03:46] <Creationist> edwin: That's the only "salvation" a person CAN earn, actually... but that's an #off-topic topic ;)
[03:46] <Cosmo> @tanath: Yes i do have a .thumbnails directory
[03:46] <bullgard4> Agent_bob: klogd is a process too. So klogd needs dd for functioning?
[03:46] <TurtleOfDoom> slop: try putting disk one back in and see if that works
[03:46] <tanath> Cosmo, you can try renaming it. if that works, then just delete it
[03:47] <Beryllium> mneptok: I'm not normally in here, but it turns out that one of my coworkers at my new job is a regular in here ... :)
[03:47] <tanath> Cosmo, strangely, i don't seem to have one, lol
[03:47] <mneptok> Cosmo: ls -la ~/ | grep thumbn
[03:47] <edwin> i wish the ruby channel was this active. i'd love to be a part of a project team and make something coding stuff by myself is kinda boring
[03:47] <tanath> Cosmo, er, wait, yes i do
[03:47] <tanath> lol
[03:47] <Zarathu> how can I find what the WEP key is for a wireless connection I have saved into the network manager?
[03:47] <choudesh> edwin, sometimes I wish that is WASN'T so active. ;-)
[03:47] <Zarathu> I need to retrieve it.
[03:47] <slop> TurtleOfDoom: Yup. I can still access disk 1.
[03:48] <Creationist> Hmm... okay, the network I'm connecting to in Windows is called "SpeedTouch"  How would I get Ubuntu to connect to that network?
[03:48] <edwin> choudesh: well, the troll to helpful_user ratio isn't as bad as some places i've seen (ie mint, yvd, etc)
[03:48] <Cosmo> @mneptok: drwx------  4 cosmo cosmo   4096 2008-01-23 16:20 .thumbnails
[03:48] <mneptok> Creationist: NetworkManager
[03:48] <__Oz__> edwin: yeah, we take pride in that here.
[03:48] <chrisb_> does anyone know where i could get developer help
[03:48] <chrisb_> ?
[03:48] <choudesh> edwin, the channel tries it's best. ;-)
[03:49] <tanath> Cosmo, just rename it, then close nautilus and try again
[03:49] <Mylon> Ubuntu CD is crashing on me... Even trying to do the defect check.  It says, "HP-Bios bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC
[03:49] <__Oz__> You talk about some off-topic sum'n sum'n, we're gonna make sure you learn not to do that again.
[03:49] <TurtleOfDoom> slop: what does typing "mount | grep cdrom" give you?
[03:49] <__Oz__> On the flip side, if you have a question, we will help you.
[03:49] <choudesh> chrisb_, developer help
[03:49] <choudesh> chrisb_, developer help?
[03:49] <mneptok> Cosmo: chmod 755 ~/.thumbnails
[03:49] <slop> TurtleOfDoom: with which disk in?
[03:49] <zhanx> Creationist: iwcofing eth1 essid SpeedTouch
[03:49] <edwin> Zarathu: assuming you own the router, why not navigate to the router through your browser and change the key.. or  reset the router assuming you don't remember it
[03:49] <Mylon> It suggests to try booting using "noapic" option, but I just picked something with the menu.
[03:49] <Creationist> mneptok: Right, but I don't know the WEP key or anything OTHER than the network name.  In Windows I don't need anything... just select the network and I'm good to go.
[03:49] <TurtleOfDoom> slop: take your pick
[03:49] <edwin> seriously fellas (ladies too) this is one of the few channels i can visit and stay for a few hours even if i'm not getting help with my own issues
[03:49] <Zarathu> edwin: because I don't own the router.  it's the key to my school.  they gave it to me once, but I bought a new laptop.
[03:50] <Creationist> zhanx: WOuldn't need a key or anythning for that?
[03:50] <choudesh> chrisb_, what do you need help with?
[03:50] <tanath> mneptok, better to rename it. could be corrupt files
[03:50] <slop> TurtleOfDoom: with disk 2 in, that command returns: /dev/scd0 on /media/cdrom0 type iso9660 (ro,nosuid,nodev,user=slop
[03:50] <joecurlee> hi all... any idea about Envy for nvidia driver installation ?
[03:50] <joecurlee> is this a good thing or a bad thing?
[03:50] <__Oz__> You will need that key, Zarathu.
[03:50] <choudesh> edwin, PM please.
[03:50] <tanath> mneptok, it'll recreate it
[03:50] <sipher> a
[03:50] <Creationist> joecurlee: It's probably unnecessary.  Look at the Restricted Drivers Manager.
[03:50] <Zarathu> __Oz__: Yeah, I definitely will...so how do I get it?
[03:50] <zhanx> Creationist: you said it was open no encrytion
[03:50] <TurtleOfDoom> slop: take the cd out and try the command with an empty drive
[03:50] <__Oz__> Zarathu: contact your network admin.
[03:50] <__Oz__> You said it's not your router, right?
[03:50] <bullgard4> Agent_bob: As ps axf shows, dd and klogd are independent processes.
[03:50] <__Oz__> Do you have PHYSICAL access to the router?
[03:51] <sipher> I have an nvidia gfx card...nvidia-settings claims I'm not using the restricted driver
[03:51] <Creationist> zhanx: As far as I can tell, correct... I don't have to enter any passwords.  But in Windows, it's still reported as a WPA network.
[03:51] <sipher> any ideas?
[03:51] <Zarathu> __Oz__: yes, I have physical access.  I just don't want to go through the trouble of asking them for the key again when I can just do it myself.
[03:51] <joecurlee> Creationist: I was using Restricted Drivers but it's not working right
[03:51] <Shirakawasuna> ok, I'm thinking of switching to ubuntu (I'm sure you love answering these questions), and have some questions: 1) How strictly are the packages kept at certain versions?  I was under the impression that if I get ubuntu 7.10, say, I'll be stuck with a certain version (with security patches/minor upgrades) until the next distupgrade.  I like newer packages for some apps.  2) Along these lines, how easy is it to upgrade/downgrade the
[03:51] <Shirakawasuna> kernel?  My laptop sometimes runs into issues with a new kernel version.
[03:51] <Zarathu> particularly because it takes them a day to approve the form.
[03:51] <slop> TurtleOfDoom: with empty drive, it doesn't return anything.  Just takes me back to prompt.
[03:51] <mneptok> Creationist: uh...
[03:51] <__Oz__> Zarathu: can you get into the admin page of your router?
[03:51] <sipher> I have changed driver to nvidia vs nv
[03:51] <zhanx> Creationist: you need to install more then
[03:51] <Shirakawasuna> Creationist: psst, heaven and hell are fairytales
[03:51] <xopey> need help: Java apps hang on load. If I give them enough time, it'll eventually work, but just a pain
[03:51] <Zarathu> __Oz__: if I don't have the key, no.
[03:51] <joecurlee> my desktop has top and bottom bars cut off... can't get to correct resolution or something
[03:51]  * Shirakawasuna whistles off into nowhere
[03:51] <tanath> Cosmo, you can rename it to .thumbnails-bak or something, and see if it works. if that fixes it, then you can just delete the directory and needn't worry any more
[03:51] <mneptok> Creationist: you have a WEP key, but Windows has never, ever asked for it? that's ... some interesting "security"
[03:51] <ubuntu> i have the ubuntu 7.10 live cd...can sum1 guide me step by step on wat i should do to reput grub bcuz i installed windows xp after ubuntu 7.10 (my previous install which I cant boot)
[03:51] <__Oz__> Zarathu: then you can always take a paper clip, straighten it out, and poke the "reset" button on the router, which will force it back to factory defaults
[03:51] <Creationist> !off-topic | Shirakawasuna
[03:51] <ubotu> Shirakawasuna: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[03:52] <zhanx> !wpa > Creationist
[03:52] <sleepster> how do I help ubuntu?
[03:52] <__Oz__> Downside is, anyone who was using it besides you will be screwed.
[03:52] <TurtleOfDoom> slop: that's what i expected, it seems to be automatically mounting it correctly, I have no idea why it doesn't work strage, I'm out of ideas sorry. Perhaps someone else can help you?
[03:52] <sleepster> I want to help ubuntu
[03:52] <Zarathu> __Oz__: that's not what I asked.  This is the router to my *school*
[03:52] <edwin> how do i register to irc server again? this thing is so ancient that it's been forever since i've used it
[03:52] <Creationist> mneptok: Not my laptop or network ;).  My neighbors... I'm fixing it up for him.
[03:52] <prince_jammys> ok, help ubuntu
[03:52] <Kalamansi> sleepster: by donating your wife to us
[03:52] <Zarathu> __Oz__: Are you trying to adjust my morality or do you genuinely not know?
[03:52] <slop> TurtleOfDoom: ok, thanks anyway :)
[03:52] <NigelS> Creationist: he's not offtopic
[03:52] <joecurlee> i have an nvidia e-geforce 7200 gs have been working to get it displaying correctly for several hours now
[03:52] <ubuntu> sleepster: tell me the commands i need to plz
[03:52] <edwin> nickserver something, right?
[03:52] <Cosmo> @mneptok: drwxr-xr-x  4 cosmo cosmo   4096 2008-01-23 16:20 .thumbnails after running chmod 755 ~/.thumbnails
[03:52] <sleepster> Kalamansi I am not married though :(
[03:52] <__Oz__> If you don't have the key, and can't log in to the router, why do you think there is any other option other than resetting the router, right?
[03:52] <ubuntu> sleepster: the commands i need to type*
[03:52] <thechitowncubs> What is the proper way to assign LDAP users to local groups?
[03:52] <choudesh> sleepster, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingUbuntu
[03:52] <joecurlee> on ubuntu 7.10
[03:52] <mneptok> Cosmo: any change?
[03:52] <Kalamansi> sleepster : donate your gf to us
[03:53] <Kalamansi> edwin : you are connected to ird
[03:53] <sleepster> Kalamansi c'mon.. I am a computer dork.. I don't have a g/f either
[03:53] <sleepster> I am fat.. short
[03:53] <NigelS> Shirakawasuna: packages are kept at approx the version of release bar bug fixes and security - there is an ubuntu backports repo though so that you can get packages ported into the currently running distro
[03:53] <Shirakawasuna> sleepster: document all bugs you find, check bug reports, then write your own
[03:53] <sleepster> with glasses
[03:53] <Zarathu> __Oz__: you seem to be suspicious of me possibly doing something wrong.  the laptop is mine and I already have the key, it's just encrypted.
[03:53] <Kalamansi> sleepster : hehehe.its okay
[03:53] <Zarathu> __Oz__: so how do I get it?
[03:53] <Kalamansi> sleepster : where you at?
[03:53] <mneptok> sleepster: head over to Launchpad and look around
[03:53] <__Oz__> Zarathu: I'm trying to adjust your sense of reality.  Unless you want to start trying guess a 10 or 12 digit passkey, the ONLY solution is to get the key again from your school or whomever generated it for you.
[03:53] <slop> TurtleOfDoom: just as a side note...i'm in k3b.  when i put the disk in, it pops up on the desktop...then i have to right click/mount to mount it.  is there a way to mount it some other way (e.g. in cli) that might give me access to it?
[03:53] <sleepster> Kalamansi LA
[03:53] <NigelS> Shirakawasuna: even then ubuntu releases are not very far apart - ~6 months and they usually manage to get the latest gnome/ubuntu in with that
[03:53] <chrisb_> @choudesh   sorry for taking so long,  i need help building the ubuntu source
[03:53] <sleepster> Kalamansi everyone in LA is hot except me
[03:53] <slop> TurtleOfDoom: when i say k3b, i mean kde lol
[03:53] <Pici> chrisb_: What source?
[03:53] <Zarathu> __Oz__: that makes no sense at all.  if my network manager is able to get the key from the keyring, why can't I do that?
[03:53] <sleepster> Shirakawasuna okay thanks
[03:53] <Liono> if i see a technical problem. or some thing i want or i think in some way about ubuntu . where can i say it?
[03:54] <Kalamansi> sleepster : hehehe
[03:54] <edwin> go figure theres an irc help page ^o)
[03:54] <ubuntu> can sum1 tell me here cuz i cant understand im too tired for guides and i need a real working comp to edit video for a project thats due after tomorow and i have alot of work not to mention i dint eat and im starving :(
[03:54] <chrisb_> @Pici    the UBUNTU source code
[03:54] <__Oz__> Zarathu: I do not think you're doing anything wrong.  And you're probably on better ethical ground than I am, because if I were in your shoes I'd just reset the router so I could get online and claim ignorance.  You're not doing that, so you're a better person than I.
[03:54] <chrisb_> @Pici    (the kernel)
[03:54] <choudesh> chrisb_, describe what you are trying to do
[03:54] <Pici> !kernel | chrisb_ read
[03:54] <ubotu> chrisb_ read: The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages
[03:54] <Shirakawasuna> NigelS: ok, but let's say I want a package like teewars that requires the most recent version to be playable (pretend it's in the universe repo or something).  Does that kind of thing get updated often, or do I need to find another repo like that backports thing?
[03:54] <sleepster> how difficult is it to setup my own apt repository
[03:54] <Creationist> edwin: Nothing like a man page for the manual, huh? ;)
[03:54] <Zarathu> :]
[03:54] <edwin> hey has anyone tried lostirc or loqui?
[03:54] <sleepster> like I have 6 machines all running ubuntu.. and I would like to auto update them all
[03:54] <red_one> when i start apps, their title bars are hidden behind the top panel. why is this, and how do i fix it?
[03:54] <edwin> Creationist: i fell in love with man at first sight (not to sound gay)
[03:54] <joecurlee> also: nvidia has released drivers for linux and they claim the restricted drivers need to be completely uninstalled... which I have done, but I'm unable to install the nvidia downloaded drivers because i'm told I'm missing libc header files which I swear are already installed
[03:55] <TurtleOfDoom> slop: "mount /dev/xxx /media/cdrom" should do it, you have to put in the proper value for xxx of course
[03:55] <Cosmo> @tanath: Renamed it to .thumbnails-bak and nothing happened
[03:55] <edwin> i bet the woman command gets me lost
[03:55] <sleepster> joecurlee you need to install the headers
[03:55] <Kalamansi> sleepster: got my pm?
[03:55] <__Oz__> Zarathu: describe what you mean when you say "my network manager is able to get the key from the keyring."   Im having issues with installing Photoshop CS2 using Wine. When I click on the setup.exe I get an error that says .\AutoPlay\main.ini then I click on ok from that and I get MAIN_FILE_VERSION>click ok >PRODUCT_REGISTRY_PARENT. Any ideas?
[03:55] <joecurlee> sleepster:  i already did via synaptic
[03:55] <NigelS> Shirakawasuna: I wouldn't expect major updates between releases tbh but this is the case for most distros - you can usually find debs for anything that absolutely isn't in backports
[03:55] <Liono> if i see a technical problem. or some thing i want or i think in some way about ubuntu . where can i say it?
[03:55] <choudesh> sleepster, not hard. mirror ubuntu's or your own packages? Any easy way is to create a launchpad account and use a PPA
[03:55] <NigelS> Shirakawasuna: what sort of background are you from distro wise?
[03:55] <tanath> Cosmo, did you close nautilus and start it again?
[03:56] <Shirakawasuna> NigelS: running release, both gentoo and archlinux.  I'm sick of some things just not working right, like suspend/resume, hibernate, networkmanager...
[03:56] <sleepster> joecurlee you need your kernel headers too
[03:56] <Zarathu> __Oz__: that means I specifically have the key saved onto my computer.  "sudo network-admin" <--- It's saved as the location "School" and the key is saved onto the HDD, which allows it to connect to that SSID without me having to type the key in over and over again.  When I go home, I switch to the "Home" location.
[03:56] <bruenig> http://i28.tinypic.com/f374f8.png
[03:56] <__Oz__> ahhh
[03:56] <bruenig> woops wrong channel
[03:56] <danny> Can anyone help me?
[03:56]  * Liono thinks if i see a technical problem. or some thing i want or i think in some way about ubuntu . where can i say it?
[03:56] <danc3> Liono: right here
[03:56] <devilsrogue> Hey guys
[03:56] <Flannel> Liono: launchpad.net
[03:57] <Cosmo> @tanath: start nautilus again?
[03:57] <danc3> danny: how do we know, if you don't ask your question?
[03:57] <Zarathu> __Oz__: just a miscommunication? :]
[03:57] <__Oz__> I don't think that's designed to ever show the unencrytped key.
[03:57] <danny> Im having issues with installing Photoshop CS2 using Wine. When I click on the setup.exe I get an error that says .\AutoPlay\main.ini then I click on ok from that and I get MAIN_FILE_VERSION>click ok >PRODUCT_REGISTRY_PARENT. Any ideas?
[03:57] <tanath> Cosmo, close it and reopen it
[03:57] <Zarathu> __Oz__: gah, dammit.
[03:57] <Ububegin> when i do this in ubuntu ...update-alternatives --config java ... the options are '*' and '+' .. .it states there '*' means default but what does '+' mean
[03:57] <joecurlee> so via synaptic just noticed that libc-dev is not installed... attmepted to install and was given an error "could not find linux-libc-dev_2.6.22-14.51_amd64.deb 404 not found"
[03:57] <__Oz__> A slight miscommunication, yes, but the situation remains unchanged.  You must request a copy of the unencrypted key again.
[03:57] <danc3> danny: yeah.  Run it in windoze.
[03:57] <NigelS> Shirakawasuna: yeah, ubuntu doesn't run at the level of bleeding edge that gentoo tends to operate at but what is released tends to work together - obviously they can't overcome hw problems with recalcitrant hw manu (i.e. nvidia problems with suspend/resume)
[03:57] <Cosmo> @tanath: Ok i closed and reopened nautilus now what?
[03:57] <Pici> sleepster: apt-cacher sounds like what you want, see: http://www.nick-andrew.net/projects/apt-cacher/
[03:57] <tanath> Cosmo, might need to log out and back in, 'cause it draws the desktop too..
[03:57] <joecurlee> sleepster: what are kernel headers called in synaptic?
[03:57] <danny> Anyone think they can help with my issue?
[03:57] <tanath> Cosmo, i take it that didn't work? lol
[03:58] <slop> TurtleOfDoom: weird...when i do that, it just hangs, and never goes back to prompt
[03:58] <danc3> danny: I just did
[03:58] <__Oz__> Zarathu: are you expecting them to give you a hard time when you call and ask for the key?
[03:58] <danny> danc3: no you  didnt
[03:58] <NigelS> Shirakawasuna: tbh, debian sid always used to be as cutting edge as it was safe to be, gentoo tended to push it to the point where sw just wasn't ready
[03:58] <Shirakawasuna> NigelS: I have all-intel hardware, so I'm thinking it'll probably work a bit better in ubuntu/kubuntu
[03:58] <slop> TurtleOfDoom: i can't even ctrl-c out of it
[03:58] <Cosmo> @tanath: well the thumbnails that i did have for pictures that were opened are gone
[03:58] <Zarathu> __Oz__: I was just kidding.  There is no form.  I cracked the wireless key by tapping into one of my teacher's laptops, and I really don't feel like going through the hassle again. :]
[03:59] <Ububegin> when i do this in ubuntu ...**update-alternatives --config java** ... the options are '*' and '+' .. .it states there '*' means default but what does '+' mean
[03:59] <NigelS> Shirakawasuna: yeah - you can check the online hw db to see if there are any reported issues
[03:59] <Liono> danc3 Flannel not to ubuntu.com ? who made it
[03:59] <Shirakawasuna> NigelS: perhaps I'll try debian first and see if those issues I have are resolved, as testing is rolling release, eh?
[03:59] <tanath> Cosmo, yeah, as expected. hold on
[03:59] <danc3> danny: yes, I did.  If you want to run Windoze software, then run Windoze.  Ubuntu is Linux.  Make up your mind which you want to run.
[03:59] <alberto> hey guys i have a problem with 'q' DVD-AUTHOR... when i get a project to burn on a DVD i gives me back an error message saying: /tmp/execute.sh: line 3: mkisofs: command not found
[03:59] <alberto> /tmp/execute.sh: line 3: dvdrecord: command not found... somebody is familiar with this app so it could help me? thanks
[03:59] <__Oz__> zarathu: Ahhhh...  now you're starting to warm the cockles of my heart.
[03:59] <danc3> Liono: huh?
[03:59] <Creationist> Well, zhanx, mneptok, edwin... thanks for the help.  I'm off to bed.... everyone have a great night/day.
[03:59] <Zarathu> :]
[03:59] <danny> Hello all. Im having issues with installing Photoshop CS2 using Wine. When I click on the setup.exe I get an error that says .\AutoPlay\main.ini then I click on ok from that and I get MAIN_FILE_VERSION>click ok >PRODUCT_REGISTRY_PARENT. Any ideas?
[03:59] <NigelS> Shirakawasuna: I would try ubuntu personally - I've used debian for years but ubuntu is better for the desktop
[03:59] <seamus7> Hi ... I have a dialup modem ... I use one command to activate it ... how can I make this happen automatically upon startup?? Here's the command "sudo martian_modem --country=us
[03:59] <__Oz__> Well, your mistake was storing it in encrypted fashion.
[03:59] <danc3> danny: yes, I did.  If you want to run Windoze software, then run Windoze.  Ubuntu is Linux.   :D
[03:59] <TurtleOfDoom> slop: wierd, try it with the disc1 that works, but I'd say the problem is linux doesn't want to mount that cdrom, wierd
[04:00] <Liono> danc3 Flannel http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=699029
[04:00] <Shirakawasuna> danny: no idea, I would find a guide
[04:00] <__Oz__> You do realize that if you could withdraw the key, unencrypted, it'd be unsecure, right?  Sort of a catch-22.  So that's why you can't retrieve it unencrypted.  You should have written it down on a scrap of paper or emailed it to yourself or something.
[04:00] <Shirakawasuna> danny: there's bound to be photoshop install guides for ubuntu all over the place
[04:00] <sleepster> has anyone used any other window's manager besides gnome and KDE.. and are there any really nice stable, sexy ones
[04:00] <NigelS> danc3: wine is a legitimate compatibility layer, there's no need to discourage people from using it
[04:00] <sleepster> available
[04:00] <tumbleweed__> sleepster : openbox or xfce
[04:01] <Pici> danny: Join #winehq for specific application help under Wine.
[04:01] <danny> Shirakawasuna: I was following a guide when I got the error
[04:01] <NigelS> danny: have you checked the winehq guide?
[04:01] <__Oz__> However, I highly respect the fashion in which you felched the key, Zarathu.
[04:01] <sleepster> tumbleweed__ are they pretty stable?
[04:01] <tumbleweed__> yes
[04:01] <EnvoyRising> much better. all registered
[04:01] <TurtleOfDoom> sleepster: try xfce, nice stable and sexy are really matters of opinion
[04:01] <Shirakawasuna> danny: hmm.  I *always* use the command line when using wine, you may want to try it as wlel
[04:01] <danny> Thank you for ur help
[04:02] <Zarathu> __Oz__: thanks :]
[04:02] <Zarathu> I think I might just have to do it again :<
[04:02] <danny> Shirakawasuna: What command?
[04:02] <TurtleOfDoom> sleepster: there is a whole ubuntu distribution built around xfce
[04:02] <Zarathu> either that or use aircrack :/
[04:02] <Ububegin> danny: here U go ... http://luiscosio.com/how-to-adobe-photoshop-cs2-on-ubuntu-10-steps .. enjoyz
[04:02] <bruenig> TurtleOfDoom: but it's poor really
[04:02] <bruenig> TurtleOfDoom: if you want a serious xfce distro, zenwalk is the way to go
[04:02] <TurtleOfDoom> bruenig: I wouldn't know, I used it for all of 30 min
[04:02] <Ububegin> when i do this in ubuntu ...**update-alternatives --config java** ... the options are '*' and '+' .. .it states there '*' means default but what does '+' mean
[04:03] <danny> Ububegin: Thanks. That's the exact guide I was following that told me to right click the .exe
[04:03] <tanath> Cosmo, google is being surprisingly unhelpful with this
[04:03]  * TurtleOfDoom does have any silly x servers on his ubuntu install
[04:03]  * TurtleOfDoom meant to say "does not"
[04:03] <__Oz__> Zarathu: next time, write it down!
[04:03] <danc3> danny: then use one of the 4,556, 791 other guides out there
[04:03] <NigelS> danny: yeah, I would agree - I never trust wine to work with the gui as it may swallow erros - use the CLI i.e. wine ./setup.exe
[04:03] <sleepster> TurtleOfDoom thanks.. do you know if xfce works with compiz
[04:03] <__Oz__> I have all kinds of hacked info I store by emailing it to myself in gmail or using gmail docs
[04:03] <__Oz__> Linux/Ubuntu is all about the spirit of hacking at the end of the day
[04:04] <TurtleOfDoom> sleepster: no idea, perhaps someone else here does
[04:04] <danny> NigelS: Thank you
[04:04] <Zarathu> __Oz__: haha, well, I don't think it should be very difficult to guess, because I remember it was something like<PHONE_NUMBER>ABCDEF
[04:04] <lynxx> whats the help channel?
[04:04] <Pici> Ububegin: I beleive + is the original one.
[04:04] <TurtleOfDoom> lynxx: for what?
[04:04] <EnvoyRising> irc recommendations? xchat just seems clunky
[04:04] <ubuntu> can sum1 plz help me use ubuntu 7.10 live cd to reput grub so that i can access my old ubuntu 7.10 installation so i can get my files as well as do my project for skool??
[04:04] <Zarathu> __Oz__: yep, unless we're trying to get into OpenBSD ;]
[04:04] <__Oz__> zarathu: heheheheheheh
[04:04] <Pici> lynxx: Ubuntu help or irc help?
[04:04] <danc3> EnvoyRising: xchat
[04:04] <NigelS> EnvoyRising: I use irssi but its console based
[04:04] <Scunizi> EnvoyRising, irssi with screen?
[04:05] <TurtleOfDoom> EnvoyRising: you want a graphical one or a command line one?
[04:05] <Ububegin> Pici: hmm, yeah. makes sense... Tks,mate
[04:05]  * TurtleOfDoom also uses irssi with screen
[04:05] <NigelS> ubuntu: what has overwritten grub on the mbr? windows?
[04:05] <lynxx> ubuntu help pici, running fluxbuntu and have some questions
[04:05] <EnvoyRising> command line is sexy, but i think i wanna start with graphical for now. on xchat already, but a little overwhelmed
[04:05] <Cosmo> @tanath: I know been there done that
[04:05] <danbhfive> !fixgrub | ubuntu have you seen this?
[04:05] <EnvoyRising> i'd like something kiss like
[04:05] <ubotu> ubuntu have you seen this?: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:05] <TurtleOfDoom> lynxx: this is the channel, ask away
[04:06] <seamus7> Any Linux Geniuses can tell me how to make a script out of "sudo martian_modem --country=us" ... it's to activate a dialup modem
[04:06] <EnvoyRising> #! /usr/bin/bash
[04:06] <EnvoyRising> then save with .sh extension.. correct me if i'm wrong
[04:06] <TurtleOfDoom> seamus7: while I don't fit the category, perhaps you could elaborate on why you want a script for that
[04:09] <EnvoyRising> wtf? like 100 people just disconnected
[04:09] <EnvoyRising> did i miss something?
[04:09] <seamus7> The above is a question.
[04:09] <Beryllium> EnvoyRising: netsplit
[04:09] <bruenig_> this sucks
[04:10] <EnvoyRising> Beryllium: oh ok
[04:10] <bruenig_> I can't identify because nickserv is on the other side
[04:10] <magick> I'm having trouble booting. Specifically, it takes 10 minutes to boot. I tried bootchart, but its before bootcharg loads as bootchart shows only 23s or so. "Starting up..." appears for 10 minutes before it actually boots. If I disable ACPI, it boots up quickly.
[04:10] <__Oz__> NETSPLIT! AAIIIIIEEEEE!
[04:10] <danc3> ubuntu: figure it out, and get it done
[04:10] <nickrud> a bot calling a bot, loverly
[04:10] <NigelS> ubuntu: that page tells you how to restore grub; alternatively you could in windows install the ext3 driver and copy work accross that way
[04:10] <chrisb_> @NigelS  when i run   Make menuconfig # i get a bunch of errors around a missing library  (sys/types.h)
[04:10]  * __Oz__ screams incomprehensible words.
[04:10] <Cosmo> @tanath: I'm greek so we say do you have family around here..no article "a" lol
[04:10] <joecurlee> wtf just happened?
[04:10] <ubuntu> __Oz__: step by step which commands do i put in order to get my grub back using the 7.10 live cd
[04:10] <prince_jammys> ha
[04:10] <NigelS> danc3: this is a support channel - if you don't want to help him fine but please don't keep implying that he should go away
[04:10] <nickrud> danc3: ease up
[04:10] <__Oz__> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIEEEE!!
[04:10] <bruenig_> I assume the non underscored bruenig is too
[04:10] <DangerousDave> yeeeehhhaaaa
[04:10] <lgc> I need the advice of someone familiar with qtparted.
[04:10] <__Oz__> Jeez.
[04:10] <elux> how can i add another mirror to the package manager? im trying to do an update and 23 packages are failing to download
[04:10] <tanath> Cosmo, ah
[04:10] <tanath> try this
[04:10] <__Oz__> That was one hell of a roller coaster ride.
[04:10] <__Oz__> That scroll was...  craaa-zay!
[04:10] <Jack_Sparrow> __Oz__: .. Behave.. :)
[04:10] <NigelS> chrisb_: paste the full error please on the pastebin
[04:10] <choudesh> channels been idle for a few...
[04:10] <Cosmo> @tanath: Any more ideas?
[04:11]  * __Oz__ 's pulse is up, his breathing is rapid and his eyes are wide. He feels... ALIVE!
[04:11] <tanath> Cosmo, go to your ~/.thumbnails directory and delete them all. Then go to Applications > System Tools > Configuration Editor > desktop > gnome > thumbnailers, and enable them all
[04:11] <EnvoyRising> Cosmo: ideas for what
[04:11] <chrisb_> @NigelS  ok, one moment
[04:11] <__Oz__> Jack_Sparrow: heheheh.  Always. :)
[04:11] <magick> I'm having trouble booting. Specifically, it takes 10 minutes to boot. I tried bootchart, but its before bootcharg loads as bootchart shows only 23s or so. "Starting up..." appears for 10 minutes before it actually boots. If I disable ACPI, it boots up quickly.
[04:11] <EnvoyRising> kinda lost conversation in all this mess
[04:11] <ubuntu> find /boot/grub/stage1
[04:11] <Kalamansi>  magick reformat it and reinstall
[04:11] <ubuntu> oops
[04:11] <tanath> Cosmo, rename it back if it's wasn't recreated, or you want your old one back
[04:11] <__Oz__> ubuntu: can you find menu.lst?
[04:11] <Ttech> netsplit
[04:11] <magick> Kalamansi, the livecd does this as well.
[04:11] <zozobra> how is it that i can access a directory through ftps but not when logged on locally at the system?
[04:11] <TurtleOfDoom> seamus7: make this the first line of the file "#!/bin/sh" put your line as the second one and save it with a name, then run chmod +x "nameofscript"
[04:11] <nickrud> !training | EnvoyRising (this book will get you going pretty quickly)
[04:11] <ubotu> EnvoyRising (this book will get you going pretty quickly): A desktop course manual for Ubuntu 7.10 can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Training
[04:11] <Kalamansi> I see...
[04:12] <Kalamansi>  magick problem with the player I guess
[04:12] <ubuntu> __Oz__: wats menu.lst?
[04:12] <lgc> nickrud, hi.
[04:12] <seamus7> TurtleOfDoom: then I can just double click it to run it?
[04:12] <magick> Kalamansi, player?
[04:12] <chrisb_> @NigelS  scripts/basic/fixdep.c:107:23:error  sys/types.h: No such file or directory
[04:12] <__Oz__> ubuntu: it's where you edit your grub menu choices.
[04:12] <nickrud> lgc: you're back, oh my :)
[04:12] <Kalamansi>  magick dvd player
[04:12] <TurtleOfDoom> seamus7:yes
[04:12] <NigelS> chrisb_: use the pastebin please there are more lines than that I would think
[04:12] <chrisb_> @NigelS  it does that with all the libraries, even common ones like stdio
[04:12] <lgc> nickrud, I bet you missed me....:):
[04:12] <magick> Kalamansi, a dvd player? what?!
[04:12] <Cosmo> @tanath: Frankly, I don't care.
[04:12] <ubuntu> __Oz__: how do i find that?
[04:12] <chrisb_> @NigelS  pastebin?
[04:12] <NigelS> chrisb_: do you have libc6-dev?
[04:12] <EnvoyRising> nickrud: wait.. this looks more like a 7.10 newbie guide... not so interested
[04:12] <chrisb_> @NigelS  i don't think so
[04:13] <Jack_Sparrow> ... /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:13] <sleepster> how difficult is it to build ubuntu from source?
[04:13] <seamus7> TurtleOfDoom:how would I quit my modem .. normally I just close the Terminal window that command is running in ??
[04:13] <epssy> you don't
[04:13] <nickrud> EnvoyRising: works thru some good stuff later on. What in particular are you looking to learn?
[04:13] <tanath> Cosmo, i assume you mean about the old icons. in which case you can delete the old one
[04:13] <Cosmo> @tanath: should i delete it then just make another folder with the name".thumbnails"?
[04:13] <EnvoyRising> just my irc stuff
[04:13] <Jack_Sparrow> sleepster: No harder that building any distro from scratch
[04:13] <nickrud> sleepster: why do that?
[04:13] <NigelS> sleepster: there's really no need to - but it isn't very hard to build apps if you really wanted to - theyr'e provided int he source repo and come with software to do it all for you
[04:13] <tanath> Cosmo, it didn't recreated it?
[04:13] <Cosmo> nope
[04:13] <TurtleOfDoom> seamus7: the script should open a window the exact same way
[04:13] <ubuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:13] <ubuntu> bash: /boot/grub/menu.lst: No such file or directory
[04:13] <ubuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[04:13] <tanath> Cosmo, if not, then yeah
[04:13] <EnvoyRising> nickrud: used to be a mirc junkie, but now i can't remember anything. like how to disable certain server messages, etc
[04:14] <__Oz__> ubuntu: locate menu.lst
[04:14] <nickrud> EnvoyRising: ah. Well, I just typed for years, let xchat do the work for me.
[04:14] <TurtleOfDoom> seamus7: nm, scratch that
[04:14] <prince_jammys> ubuntu it's a file, not a command
[04:14] <ubuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:14] <ubuntu> bash: /boot/grub/menu.lst: No such file or directory
[04:14] <ubuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ locate menu.lst
[04:14] <ubuntu> /usr/share/doc/grub/examples/menu.lst
[04:14] <ubuntu> /usr/share/doc/memtest86+/examples/grub-menu.lst
[04:14] <EnvoyRising> nickrud: lazy :-\ (kidding)
[04:14] <lgc> nickrud, do you happen to know if I risk the integrity of my system if I format the free space beyond my ext3 and swap partitions from within the mounted system?
[04:14] <tanath> Cosmo, click on the application@pdf one, and tell me if you have the command entry, and the enable entry
[04:14] <prince_jammys> oh boy
[04:14] <ubuntu> /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu/sample/menu.lst_addwindowsentrygrubmenu
[04:14] <ubuntu> /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu/sample/menu.lst_changegrubpasswordforgotten
[04:14] <ubuntu> /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu/sample/menu.lst_displaysplashimagegrub
[04:14] <ubuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[04:14] <prince_jammys> STIO
[04:14] <elux> guys
[04:14] <prince_jammys> STOP
[04:14] <Jack_Sparrow> ubuntu: Please use the pastebin instead of pasting into the channel
[04:14] <__Oz__> ubuntu: it should be in /bott/grub
[04:14] <__Oz__> er
[04:15] <__Oz__> ubuntu: it should be in /boot/grub
[04:15] <elux> are there mirrors the third party software apts?
[04:15] <TurtleOfDoom> seamus7: maybe you'd be better off setting up an alias so that when you type "inet" in a terminal for example, it expands it to the command you want
[04:15] <Cosmo> @ tanath: Ok i just deleted the .thumbnail-bak...now i dont have any .thumbnail folder
[04:15] <nickrud> lgc: never format a mounted partition; if it's not mounted you can change partition size, format, etc no problem
[04:15] <Cusoon959> Can anyone help with this?
[04:15] <Cusoon959> http://pastebin.com/m73e18b40
[04:15] <ubuntu> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ /boot/grub
[04:15] <ubuntu> bash: /boot/grub: No such file or directory
[04:15] <Cusoon959> Trying to compile something with gcc...
[04:15] <nickrud> EnvoyRising: you're not far off the mark :)
[04:15] <lgc> nickrud, no, it's not formatted. It's just free space now.
[04:15] <alberto> /tmp/execute.sh: line 3: dvdrecord: command not found... somebody is familiar with this app so it could help me? thanks
[04:15] <tanath> Cosmo, ok, make one, then make sure thumbnails are enabled in the configuration editor
[04:15] <__Oz__> ubuntu: are you using 7.10 ubuntu?
[04:16] <nickrud> lgc: sure, do anything you like to it.
[04:16] <ubuntu> __Oz__: ya but live cd
[04:16] <NigelS> Cusoon959: yes, pass -lm to include the  math library
[04:16] <__Oz__> oh, you're on the CD?
[04:16] <seamus7> TurtleOfDoom: basically I just enter the command I mentioned then "sudo wvdial" and voila I'm connected to the net (by the way I have broadband but I'm setting up a friends's clunker who only has dialup)
[04:16] <Cusoon959> thanks NigelS
[04:16] <ubuntu> __Oz__: ya
[04:16] <__Oz__> ubuntu: so what is your problem again?
[04:16] <NigelS> Cusoon959: you need to fix those warnings too but only you can see that :)
[04:16] <nickrud> lgc: personaly I prefer cfdisk for partitioning, and then mkfs.* for formatting. I don't care for gparted myself
[04:16] <ubuntu> __Oz__: i had it on the hd then i installed windows on another partition so i lost the grub now i want to get it bak using this live cd
[04:16] <queuetue> Does Ubuntu have a built-in mechanism for rebuilding a kernel module with different options?  (I need to enable USB verbose debugging.)
[04:16] <__Oz__> Yeah, gparted is pretty messed up.
[04:17] <alberto> Hey guys i'm having some problems with 'q' DVD-Author, when i get it to burn a DVD Project it gives me back this error message: /tmp/execute.sh: line 3: dvdrecord: command not found... somebody is familiar with this app so it could help me? thanks
[04:17] <Cusoon959> NigelS: I get http://pastebin.com/m619d593a now... is that what you mean?
[04:17] <EnvoyRising> __Oz__:  ubuntu needs to reinstall grub. mbr overwrote it after windows install me thinks
[04:17] <lgc> nickrud, it's just that the QTparted message 'make sure you unmount all partitions before making any changes' intimidates me.
[04:17] <__Oz__> ubuntu: okay, I want you to read a tutorial at this URL:
[04:17] <Cusoon959> NigelS: Oh but it compiled :P
[04:17] <ubuntu> __Oz__: exactly wat EnvoyRising said
[04:17] <TurtleOfDoom> seamus7: if you want the shell script idea, then yes, put "#!/bin/sh" as the first line and your two lines in it
[04:17] <NigelS> Cusoon959: yes, they were there before. You're passing arguments with the wrong type
[04:17] <__Oz__> envoyrising: yes, I understand
[04:17] <chrisb_> @NigelS   i posted all error messages into the PasteBin
[04:17] <NigelS> Cusoon959: yes, it's a warning not an error - but your program may now crash :)
[04:17] <Scunizi> ubuntu, for restoring grub see http://users.bigpond.net.au/hermanzone/p15.htm  It's always worked great for me.
[04:18] <NigelS> chrisb_: you need to give me the link :P
[04:18] <chrisb_> @NigelS   ok, one moment
[04:18] <__Oz__> here's the url, ubuntu
[04:18] <__Oz__> http://apcmag.com/5459/dualboot_ubuntu_and_windows_xp
[04:18] <__Oz__> for the record, it's much easier to install XP FIRST and then Ubuntu SECOND
[04:18] <EnvoyRising> ubuntu i could have sworn that reinstalling grub was only two lines of code.. that involved getting into the grub command line
[04:18] <nickrud> hermanzone is very nice stuff
[04:18] <ubuntu> __Oz__: i no but its for other reasons
[04:18] <__Oz__> this is because grub will find and 'respect' the windows install while the windows boot manager will trample all over your ubuntu settings
[04:18] <lgc> nickrud, I thought that flannel was the only one around stuck in barebones Ubuntu.
[04:18] <Scunizi> EnvoyRising, pretty much.. check out my link above for grub
[04:19] <__Oz__> ubuntu: that's okay, you can get both working with ubuntu installed first
[04:19] <ubuntu> __Oz__: ya i no all these things
[04:19] <chrisb_> @NigelS   paste.ubuntu-nl.org/56579
[04:19] <Jack_Sparrow> __Oz__: Add to that .. once you have dual boot setup, make a copy of the mbr using the dd command
[04:19] <__Oz__> just follow the instructions at http://apcmag.com/5459/dualboot_ubuntu_and_windows_xp
[04:19] <Erebu1> Hey guys, I know i'm not an IRC regular, but I was wondering if you could give me a hand. I'm having issues detecting my scanner. It's a lexmark X1185 Scanner/Printer combo. Printer works in CUPS for the most part.  So, (skipping the long details for just a sec) the current stand is that every trace of any older SANE has been expunged, the newest sane source compiled and i
[04:19] <__Oz__> Aye! Do as the captain suggest, ubuntu.
[04:19] <Cosmo> @tanath: How do i make sure...as in where do i check?
[04:19] <ubuntu> __Oz__: itll be done off of this live cd tho, right? i have dial-up so i cant burn other things...
[04:19] <nickrud> lgc: bare bones? I prefer non gui tools for system stuff. Reminds me that I've got to be cautious and correct
[04:19] <__Oz__> no, ubuntu
[04:19] <__Oz__> you won't need to use the livecd
[04:19] <tanath> Cosmo, go to Applications > System Tools > Configuration Editor > desktop > gnome > thumbnailers, and enable them all
[04:20] <__Oz__> again, just follow the instructions at http://apcmag.com/5459/dualboot_ubuntu_and_windows_xp
[04:20] <__Oz__> it will tell you exactly how to get grub back
[04:20] <ubuntu> __Oz__: i have no floppies, etc
[04:20] <__Oz__> and you can then boot into ubuntu, etc.
[04:20] <tritium> !enter | __Oz__
[04:20] <__Oz__> Ye shan't need floppies et. al., ubuntu.  (People still use those things?)
[04:20] <ubotu> __Oz__: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[04:20] <__Oz__> ubuntu: did you get all that?
[04:21] <tanath> Cosmo, also, in System > Prefs > File Management > Preview tab, double check your settings
[04:21] <Cosmo> @tanath: All of them were already enabled
[04:21] <ubuntu> __Oz__: ya im reading....my eyes r burning :(
[04:21] <tanath> Cosmo, only for files smaller than 5Mb, or something reasonable?
[04:21] <__Oz__> ubuntu: it's not that hard, man
[04:21] <NigelS> chrisb_: do you have build-essential?
[04:21] <__Oz__> but as you can see, it's much easier to do the windows xp first, ubuntu second install
[04:21] <tanath> Cosmo, and set it to local files only
[04:21] <lgc> nickrud, well yes, and work at least twice as much. I migrated to a bigger disk that way, instead of using GUIs. But I must've done something wrong, since my disk makes funny noises all the time ('end of device' or some cr*p -come and get me, censors!- like that).
[04:21] <EnvoyRising> xchat is killing me :@ looking up irsii as we speak
[04:21] <norty>  I have a question that isn't ubuntu related but thought someone here might know, i want to define a function such as f(x) = x^2 and then find its derivative, how do i define functions in matlab, without using a .m file ?
[04:22] <Cosmo> @tanath: i dont have file management
[04:22] <tanath> Cosmo, could be hanging on something else
[04:22] <zetheroo> how do I have every folder opening in a new window?
[04:22] <__Oz__> norty: try #matlab
[04:22] <tanath> Cosmo, ok, well it's in nautilus preferences in the edit menu
[04:22] <tanath> Cosmo, you can change what shows in the menus with the menu editor
[04:22] <TurtleOfDoom> norty: you might want to try #math
[04:22] <zetheroo> anyone?
[04:22] <chrisb_> @NigelS   build-essential?  (sorry i'm a little new to linux development)
[04:22] <Cosmo> @tanath: yeah i know i got it
[04:22] <Scunizi> EnvoyRising, open terminal, type sudo apt-get install irssi.. wait.. type irssi .. once loaded type /connect irc.freenode.net
[04:22] <NigelS> chrisb_: it's a package - apt-get install build-essential
[04:23] <Erebu1> Any one with any ideas on my scanner problem?
[04:23] <nickrud> lgc: mn, (takes off sensor hat) not sure what you did, but  sudo fdisk -l might give you a clue (better error messages maybe) (puts censor hat back on, and chides lgc :)
[04:23] <Scunizi> EnvoyRising, then once connected type /join #ubuntu
[04:23] <norty> __Oz__, I am in #matlab, just thought id ask here just in case someone might know
[04:23] <Cosmo> @tanath: 5MB and Local Files Only...Done
[04:23] <EnvoyRising> Scunizi: no go. file not found
[04:23] <urface> I'm trying out evolution mail and am havign a pretty seirous problem
[04:23] <EnvoyRising> thats why i'm going to the site
[04:23] <chicagonpg_> Memtest shuts down computer does anyone know why? Running 64bit AMD athlon X2
[04:23] <__Oz__> norty: nah, we all hate that application in here.
[04:23] <__Oz__> :)
[04:23] <tanath> Cosmo, and restart nautilus
[04:23] <urface> I have roughly 1500 emails to download and says there is an input output error after every roughly 25 msgs
[04:23] <IdleOne> !repos | EnvoyRising
[04:23] <ubotu> EnvoyRising: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories
[04:23] <EnvoyRising> DOH! typo
[04:24] <Scunizi> EnvoyRising, you need to enable universe and multiverse repos.. in system/administration/software sources
[04:24] <ubuntu> __Oz__: i think my problem is solved! thank you soooooooooooooooooooooooooo much!
[04:24] <urface> Thunderbird had no problem downloading the same exact msgs
[04:24] <__Oz__> ubuntu: no problem, my friend
[04:24] <ubuntu> __Oz__: well i still have to ckeck lol
[04:24] <nickrud> !gutsysources | EnvoyRising
[04:24] <ubotu> EnvoyRising: gutsysources is in System->Admin->Software Sources, enable (main) (universe) (restricted) and (multiverse) and disable the Cdrom on the Ubuntu Software tab. On the Updates tab, enable (gutsy-security) and (gutsy-updates).
[04:24] <Cosmo> @tanath: Just by closing and then opening?
[04:24] <ubuntu> __Oz__: :)
[04:24] <EnvoyRising> IdleOne: all correct repos are enabled irc newbie, yes. linux/ubuntu newbie, no
[04:24] <lgc> nickrud, it just does it when the disk is idle. But haven't been able to start Windoze ever since. Any experience with VMWare?
[04:24] <__Oz__> ubuntu: good luck, enjoy your dual boot install, and remember: when in doubt, use ubuntu over windows!
[04:24] <fredsua> I am having trouble viewing a dvd movie.  I've gone to many forums and tried everything and it still does not work.
[04:24] <tanath> Cosmo, should work...
[04:24] <tanath> if it doesn't, you might try logging out and back in to be sure
[04:25] <devo> How do I burn a .avi onto a DVD so the DVD is like a movie that I can put in a DVD player and it will play?
[04:25] <ubuntu> __Oz__: ubuntu is better its just i needed sumtin from windows, anyway, im restarting comp and thx again :)
[04:25] <chrisb_> @NigelS    sorry, it's taking a little while
[04:25] <__Oz__> fredsua: download restricted extras package
[04:25] <tanath> Cosmo, 'cause nautilus handles the desktop too
[04:25] <nickrud> lgc: yes, I use vmware (vista inside). gparted ruined my vista partition, I had to reinstall
[04:25] <__Oz__> !medibuntu | fredsua
[04:25] <ubotu> fredsua: medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[04:25] <Cosmo> @ tanath: Nothing.
[04:25] <fredsua> I have downloaded the extras, and nothing
[04:25] <tanath> Cosmo, if it doesn't, you might try logging out and back in to be sure
[04:25] <Jack_Sparrow> __Oz__: dd if=/dev/sda of=mbr.backup bs=512 count=1
[04:25] <__Oz__> devo: most use gnomebaker and DeVeDe.  However, it will require some tweaking.  Unfortunately, Ubuntu is not very good for burning DVDs, but it can be made to work.
[04:26] <fredsua> I included medibuntu, should I remove it?
[04:26] <__Oz__> fredsua: absolutely not!
[04:26] <Cosmo> @tanath: Ok here i go..ill be back
[04:26] <__Oz__> what will that do, jack_sparrow?
[04:26] <tanath> __Oz__, well, i prefer k3b...
[04:26] <lgc> nickrud, I've read that Vista is especially restrictive with fumbling with partitions.
[04:26] <__Oz__> tanath: eh, I could never get that pile of junk to work.
[04:26] <tanath> __Oz__, never really had probs with it
[04:26] <jay-oh-en> can some body help me with my internet being so slow
[04:26] <nickrud> fredsua: after you've gotten what you want from medibuntu, it's no problem if you disable it again
[04:26] <devo> __Oz__, why is this? Isn't it easy to burn a DVD?
[04:26] <tanath> __Oz__, pile of junk? k3b is the best
[04:27] <EnvoyRising> ah... vintage, yet so beautiful
[04:27] <__Oz__> tanath: sorry, it's just my perception.  I couldn't do jack squat with it.  Plus it gave me errors.  I do better with gnomebaker and DeVeDe.
[04:27] <achandrashekar> anyone familiar with smbldap-populate when installing smbldap-installer
[04:27] <tanath> __Oz__, other apps sometimes make coasters :/
[04:27] <Beryllium> jay-oh-en: Well ... I can chant in latin to help speed it up, but I don't think it will help.
[04:27] <fredsua> The problem is I can't make my movies work
[04:27] <__Oz__> devo: for various reasons, most of which have less to do with linux/ubuntu than with the competition
[04:27] <dogpigeoncow> hey i have a program i downloaded called Liquid wars 6 and i have the same problem i have with every program i download wtihout hte add/remove thing. i cant install it. i have the " ./configure      make      make install" command but i dont know how to use them coz nothing happens in terminal
[04:27] <nickrud> fredsua: you mean play them?
[04:27] <NigelS> Beryllium: worth a shot
[04:27] <__Oz__> devo: it's just an inherent weakness of ubuntu.  Well, that, and wireless support.
[04:27] <lgc> nickrud, can VMW write a virtualized OS to a reiserfs partition?
[04:28] <fredsua> yes, I can't play any movies
[04:28] <Beryllium> KLAATUS BARADUS NIKTUS! KLAATUS BARADUS NIKTUS! ... naw, doesn't seem to be helping.
[04:28] <jay-oh-en> Beryllium, its usually really fast
[04:28] <nickrud> lgc no clue
[04:28] <tritium> __Oz__: neither are specific to ubuntu
[04:28] <EnvoyRising> dogpigeoncow: make sure to have the build-essential package installed
[04:28] <nickrud> fredsua: go to: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu#head-381bea41610683e5e26322fd7028e7aef85e3105
[04:28] <devo> __Oz__, at least it recognizes it's a DVD in there... My Windows thinks it's a CD.
[04:28] <dogpigeoncow> envoyrising: which is usually what?
[04:28] <fredsua> ok
[04:28] <nickrud> fredsua: install that library, and you should be able to play dvd movies
[04:28] <tanath> __Oz__, gnomebaker or brasero would be my second choice, but k3b is my first
[04:28] <__Oz__> tritium: maybe not "specific", but they are certainly weaknesses many associate with Ubuntu and/or linux.  I realize it's not linux/ubuntu's fault, but it is frustrating.
[04:28] <fredsua> I'll give it a try right away
[04:28] <IdleOne> dogpigeoncow, in terminal type sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:28] <fredsua> thanks
[04:28] <tanath> __Oz__, maybe you didn't have it set up right. it can be touchy about permissions
[04:29] <__Oz__> devo: heh, heh.