[01:16] <linuxman410> can u update to lubuntu 11.10 yet
[02:37] <head_victim> linuxman410: I'm sure you can, it's just a matter of how broken you want it to be. It's still in very early alphas so stability is not it's focus at the moment.
[02:37] <head_victim> I'm running it in a virtual machine
[03:47] <john_rambo> I am a little confused ... does lubuntu use pulse audio ?
[03:51] <KM0201> john_rambo: yup.
[03:52] <KM0201> install pavucontrol to make adjustments
[03:52] <KM0201> !info pavucontrol
[03:52] <KM0201> hmm
[03:52] <john_rambo> KM0201, Roger
[03:52] <KM0201> there we go.
[03:52] <KM0201> ubot5 was sleeping
[03:52] <john_rambo> KM0201, I was actually after a system wide equalizer
[03:53] <KM0201> it is
[08:54] <yesitisjustme> can i use lubuntu with 256mb?
[09:39] <head_victim> Anyone else having issues getting lxterminal to be transparent?
[09:40] <head_victim> I can change the colour easily and "change" the slider bar for transparency but it doesn't make it transparent.
[13:00] <kristian-aalborg> hi
[13:01] <kristian-aalborg> what's the name of the system monitor in Lubuntu? The one where you can read about memory etc?
[13:02] <head_victim> lxtask ?
[13:03] <kristian-aalborg> hi head_victim
[13:04] <head_victim> Gday kristian-aalborg
[13:04] <kristian-aalborg> could be... it's just that the screenshots I find of that is only a graphical representation of "top"
[13:05] <head_victim> That's pretty much all a system monitor is
[13:05] <head_victim> Is there something specific you're after?
[13:05] <kristian-aalborg> yes, I want to check a hdd
[13:05] <head_victim> Ah there is a disk analyser program as well
[13:05] <kristian-aalborg> but, I just remembered gsmartcontrol
[13:07] <head_victim> Sorry it's called "Disk Utility"
[13:07] <kristian-aalborg> so, this is weird... aptitude install lxtask acts like it's already there... but it's not
[13:08] <head_victim> It's under "Accessories" and "System INfo"
[13:08] <kristian-aalborg> sorry, I was about to say... this is Ubuntu w/ fluxbox
[13:08] <kristian-aalborg> I use some LX tools, though... the terminal is aces
[13:09] <head_victim> Ah fair enough, I can't be sure then, maybe try running it from command?
[13:09] <kristian-aalborg> not found
[13:10] <kristian-aalborg> I might need some repos added?
[13:10] <head_victim> Should be in there, but maybe try the Lubuntu PPA?
[13:11] <kristian-aalborg> kristian@lugosi2:~$ aptitude show lxtask
[13:11] <kristian-aalborg> No current or candidate version found for lxtask
[13:11] <kristian-aalborg> Package: lxtask
[13:11] <kristian-aalborg> State: not a real package
[13:11] <kristian-aalborg> hurm, yes... I'll try that
[13:27] <kristian-aalborg> still no luck
[13:28] <head_victim> What version of Ubuntu are you using?
[13:29] <kristian-aalborg> lucid / 10.04 LTS
[13:32] <head_victim> kristian-aalborg: according to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxtask it resides in an LXDE ppa for Lucid
[13:33] <kristian-aalborg> aha!
[13:33] <head_victim> Click the "other versions of lxtask  in untrusted  archives" to check it
[13:33] <kristian-aalborg> is APT clever enough to choose the newest version of stuff in several different repos?
[13:34] <head_victim>  I believe so, unless you pin it
[13:38] <kristian-aalborg> haha, it finally worked... and it's not the one I was looking for
[13:39] <kristian-aalborg> counter-awesome
[13:49] <head_victim> Hah
[13:49] <head_victim> So you're looking for a program to display how much disk space you have used?
[13:52] <head_victim> If so I'd recommend gnome-disk-utilities , it doesn't appear to ahve lots of dependencies
[13:53] <kristian-aalborg> no, I want to test the health of a disk I'm about to pop in
[13:53] <kristian-aalborg> gsmartcontrol will do it, but it's tricky for me
[13:53] <head_victim> Ah, that gnome-disk-utility does interrogate SMART
[13:56] <kristian-aalborg> do you remember which command to start it with?
[13:56] <head_victim> I was also going to suggest the gsmartcontrol but if that doesn't do what you want either I'm stumped
[13:57] <head_victim> I used the menu
[13:58] <kristian-aalborg> I suppose gsmartmontool is okay... I'm just afraid if I can mess anything up by running it as root on a mounted drive?
[14:00] <head_victim> Shouldn't, it's just reporting SMART data from what I understand
[14:00] <head_victim> You can do it all cli with smartctl as well
[14:00] <head_victim> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Smartmontools
[14:02] <kristian-aalborg> head_victim, yes... I am aware of that tool it's just very hard to use properly, I think
[14:02] <kristian-aalborg> I just recently discovered the difference between SATA and IDE... hardware is secondary to me, to say the least
[14:03] <head_victim> Oh ok, well I've only used gnome-disk-utility from the menu but there are screenshots on how to use the gsmartmontool around as well
[14:06] <kristian-aalborg> head_victim, I'm going to shut down this box and try the hdd
[14:06] <kristian-aalborg> see ya
[14:06] <head_victim> No worries, good luck
[14:31] <kristian-aalborg> hi again head_victim
[14:31] <kristian-aalborg> sorry about hijacking this channel ;)
[14:31] <head_victim> No worries
[14:31] <kristian-aalborg> preliminary test indicates that the drive is cool
[14:31] <head_victim> I'm half busy with other things so sorry I've taken a while to respond at times
[14:32] <kristian-aalborg> and it's only 2.5", so it'll sit nicely on the GPU :D
[14:32] <head_victim> Ok does it have anything installed on it currently?
[14:33] <head_victim> Be careful sitting things on GPUs and the like, make sure they have plenty of airflow as overheating is the most common cause of basically every PC component.
[14:40] <kristian-aalborg> I will use some double-edged tape or whatever to call it... gives a few mm
[14:40] <kristian-aalborg> the GPU is pretty cold most times
[14:41] <head_victim> No worries, just making sure :)
[14:44] <kristian-aalborg> I have a 3.5 that is jammed in where the diskette drive was... that worries me a bit, though
[14:50] <head_victim> Sounds like you need a bigger case or some bigger capacity hard drivers :P
[14:51] <kristian-aalborg> yeah
[14:52] <kristian-aalborg> executable name for the gnome tool is palimpsest... what in the world...
[14:52] <kristian-aalborg> "cannot parse smartctl output: no ATA sections could be parsed" - when running conveyance test with gsmartmontool
[14:57] <head_victim> No idea sorry mate
[15:02] <kristian-aalborg> the gnome tool says it's okay when it performs the same test
[15:03] <kristian-aalborg> aha!
[15:03] <kristian-aalborg> it seems that my test on the faulty box this was in before are still being "smartly" kept
[15:13] <kristian-aalborg> I'm going to log off and install it properly... see ya
[15:13] <head_victim> Sorry I think you've lost me
[15:13] <head_victim> No worries, have fun
[15:13] <kristian-aalborg> head_victim, I'm also seeking help on #hardware, so I am prone to forget what I told where :)
[15:14] <head_victim> Hah no worries mate
[15:14] <kristian-aalborg> this HDD was in a laptop that recently died...  Be honest, now ;)
[17:35] <AmberJ> kristian-aalborg, honestly speaking, I dont know :P
[17:35] <AmberJ> j/k
[17:36] <AmberJ> It surely will be less resource hungry
[17:36] <kristian-aalborg> which? ;)
[17:36] <kristian-aalborg> the "custom" install...?
[17:37] <AmberJ> Given the fact that there's stuff that's installed with lubuntu that you might not need.....scratch/custom install will be less resource hungry...
[17:37] <AmberJ> But think carefully if it is worth it (?)...
[17:48] <kristian-aalborg> yeah, that's the thing
[17:48] <kristian-aalborg> install is not for me, but a n00b
[17:48] <kristian-aalborg> box is P4 w/ 1.5 gigs of memory
[17:59] <AmberJ> kristian-aalborg, This machine (P4, 1 GB RAM) has lubuntu and it runs very very well for me...
[18:01] <kristian-aalborg> not saying that Lubuntu would be "bad", o/c
[18:01] <KM0201> kristian-aalborg: what exact problem are you having?
[18:02] <KM0201> i'm running a similarly spec'd laptop, and its fine.
[18:02] <kristian-aalborg> none... I've not installed anything yet
[18:03] <kristian-aalborg> what do you use for disabling daemons?
[18:03] <KM0201> and no, ubuntu w/ lxde on top will not use less than Ubuntu, Debian w/ LXDE.. yes, it would.. however it's not as easy to use w/ as Lubuntu...
[18:03] <KM0201> what daemon are you wanting to disable
[18:03] <kristian-aalborg> ideally, the end user won't see the underlaying stuff much
[18:04] <kristian-aalborg> KM0201, this and that... I like the simplicity of rcconf, but I think it's acting a bit faulty (as in not really disabling stuff)
[18:04] <KM0201> kristian-aalborg: i'm having trouble finding th "this and that" daemon on my machine.
[18:04] <kristian-aalborg> it may be a virus ;)
[18:05] <kristian-aalborg> you know... bluetooth, unused stuff...
[18:06] <KM0201> hmm, no i don't know.
[18:06] <KM0201> brb though, i need to restart.
[18:06] <AmberJ> KM0201, I think he meant lxde on top of ubuntu-mini rather than ubuntu-desktop edition
[18:06] <KM0201> AmberJ: i still don't think its gonna be any "lighter" per se...
[18:06] <KM0201> brb
[18:07] <AmberJ> kristian-aalborg, lxde_menu -> Preferences -> Desktop session settings to disable autorun/autostart 'stuff'
[18:10] <kristian-aalborg> ah yes
[18:10] <kristian-aalborg> hmmm
[18:11] <kristian-aalborg> I suppose you can theme Lubuntu as much as you can theme regular LXDE?
[18:12] <kristian-aalborg> bbl, gotta reboot
[18:15] <KM0201> man i'm having a weird issue w/ weather indicator
[18:53] <pmatulis> is there a way to have, upon login, certain applications lauched and then have their windows placed in prescribed positions?  i have dual screens if it matters
[18:53] <pmatulis> *launched
[18:55] <AmberJ> pmatulis,  lxde_menu -> Preferences -> Desktop session settings   .............this is to add apps to add to autostart list...no idea about placing windows in specific positions
[18:55] <pmatulis> AmberJ: k, i got that far
[19:07] <KM0201> where can you make suggestions for lubuntu 11.10?
[19:07] <KM0201> i have a minor one ( i love it as is..)
[19:08] <pmatulis> KM0201: file a (wishlist) bug
[19:08] <KM0201> i couldn't find how to do that on launchpad
[19:09] <KM0201> i'm signed in, but i see no option to let me post a question/bug, just to search them
[19:11] <KM0201> i'd lke to see a "log in window"... that has a list of current users on the machine, rther than making you type usernames..
[19:12] <KM0201> i dont mind typing usernames, but others in the family are brain dead, i'm constantly reminding them of email passwords, etc.. (I have my email addy set as the recovery address for all their passwords)
[19:12] <pmatulis> KM0201: that would be lxdm
[19:12] <KM0201> lxdm?
[19:12] <pmatulis> KM0201: so open a bug there
[19:12] <pmatulis> !info lxdm
[19:13] <Unit193> KM0201: Using Natty? Do you mind bleeding edge?
[19:13] <KM0201> Unit193: naa, i don't mind bleeding edge, but yes i'm using natty
[19:13] <KM0201> i tried using some app yesterda.. SLIP? i think.. and it bricked my install..
[19:13]  * pmatulis senses a ppa coming up
[19:14] <KM0201> that'd be fine, so long as it works
[19:14] <KM0201> just seems it should be a default option though
[19:14] <Unit193> Use LightDM. It might work (This is still alpha/beta software!)
[19:15] <KM0201> whats lightdm
[19:15] <KM0201> ?
[19:15] <pmatulis> !find lightdm
[19:15] <KM0201> is there an ubuntu PPA for it?
[19:15] <pmatulis> !info lightdm
[19:16] <Unit193> http://ubuntu4beginners.blogspot.com/2011/06/testing-new-login-manger-for-ubuntu.html
[19:16] <KM0201> lol
[19:16] <KM0201> "dick worthing"..lol
[19:16] <Unit193> gnome-theme isn't the best choice (And again, this is testing software)
[19:17] <KM0201> yeah, from the screenshots it seems like it would work ok.
[19:17] <KM0201> brb
[19:18] <Unit193> Dang... I found a better link...
[20:37] <kristian-aalborg> lol, the HDD was dead
[20:37] <kristian-aalborg> also, hi phillw and the rest
[20:37] <kristian-aalborg> where's harjour these days?
[20:44] <bioterror> kristian-aalborg, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-beginners/2011-May/002087.html
[20:45] <kristian-aalborg> I hope she is well
[20:46] <kristian-aalborg> for a moment I thought something terrible had happened :/
[20:55] <Unit193> KM0201: http://iloveubuntu.net/lightdm-has-landed-oneirics-main-repos-natty-available-ppa
[20:56] <KM0201> Unit193: i might check it out.
[20:57] <Unit193> That uses a better theme (But again, this is beta at best) You could always go for GDM ;)
[20:57] <KM0201> i thought about GDM actually
[20:58] <KM0201> i'm finishing up the install now, so i'll see in a minute.. :)
[20:59] <KM0201> if i install GDM though, that won't effect the actual desktop anywill it?  that will only be the login window, right?
[21:00] <Unit193> I have never used GDM with it, but as long as it finds Lubuntu Desktop login session, you should be fine
[21:00] <KM0201> hmm
[21:00] <KM0201> well, i'll try that real quick, so i don't get along to far, in case i brick something
[21:01] <KM0201> lol
[21:01] <Unit193> You can always switch back to LXDM if it doesn't work
[21:01] <KM0201> ok, brb.
[21:07] <ken__> Unit193: u around?.. that resulted in epic fail.. i ry to sign in, and it kicks me to console..lol
[21:08] <ken__> thank goodness for irssi
[21:08] <ken__> lol
[21:08] <ken__> brb, gonna tryt o uninstall this real quick.
[21:13] <ken___> grr
[21:13] <ken___> looks like i might get to reinstall..lol
[21:13] <ken___> Unit193: ?
[21:13] <ken___> u got me into this mess, where are you?..lol
[21:14] <Unit193> ken___: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[21:14] <ken___> hmm
[21:14] <ken___> i think i tried that
[21:14] <ken___> i uninstalled gdm anyway
[21:14] <ken___> then i tried dpkg-reconfigure lxdm
[21:14] <ken___> and no joy
[21:14] <ken___> lemme try that one more time..
[21:15] <ken___> brb
[21:21] <KM0201> ok
[21:21] <KM0201> well, i got lxde back
[21:21] <KM0201> but now everytime i start, i get a crash failure saying GDM failed to install or upgrade
[21:21] <KM0201> but when i check synaptic, it is removed
[21:22] <Unit193> Did you purge gdm? or just remove?
[21:22] <KM0201> i think i purged it.
[21:22] <KM0201> well
[21:22] <KM0201> i removed it, sorry
[21:23] <KM0201> lemme try purging
[21:23] <Unit193> autoremove --purge ?
[21:23] <KM0201> i ran autoremove, but not autoremove --purge
[21:24] <Unit193> I like --purge a little too much anyway...
[21:24] <KM0201> well, it says its removed and purged
[21:24] <KM0201> i got nothing done on both commands
[21:25] <KM0201> now if i go to synaptic
[21:25] <KM0201> and i go to gdm  i can right click it and choose "mark for complete removal".. but then Apply never becomes available to click
[21:25] <KM0201> this sucks.
[21:26] <KM0201> any other ideas, before i just reinstall?
[21:26] <KM0201> lol
[21:26] <Unit193> That's because it's not installed... You can't remove somthing that isn't there!
[21:26] <Unit193> Did dpkg-reconfigure ask what one you wanted to use?
[21:26] <KM0201> so why am i getting an error that it's failed to install or upgrade when i log in?
[21:26] <KM0201> yes
[21:26] <KM0201> and i chose lxdm
[21:26] <KM0201> thats how i got back to my desktop
[21:27] <KM0201> otherwise, i'd get to GDM, try to sign in, it would go to console, then back to the GUI login
[21:27] <KM0201> never got to the desktop
[21:27] <KM0201> it's no big deal if i have to install
[21:27] <KM0201> i just don't want that error coming up everytime i start
[21:27] <KM0201> lemme see if i can remove it again
[21:28] <Unit193> Wait, did you try to change session types in GDM??
[21:28] <KM0201> *configure it again
[21:28] <KM0201> no.. it wouldn't let me
[21:28] <KM0201> cuz my mouse wouln't work... and it wouldn't let me tab to sessions
[21:28] <KM0201> ok..
[21:29] <KM0201> i just ran this... "sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm"  and i got the message "gdm is broken or not fully installed" (granted, i'm not in console at the moment.
[21:29] <KM0201> synaptic however, shows no broken packages
[21:30] <KM0201> lemme try a few more things, then it's a reinsall..lol
[21:33] <KM0201> hmm
[21:34] <KM0201> ok, i reconfigured lxdm again, it didn't seem to do anything,
[21:34] <KM0201> but now when i reboot, i don't get the error
[21:34] <KM0201> so all is right in the world now
[21:34] <Unit193> I'm going to install GDM and LightDM to see what's up
[21:34] <KM0201> have fun w/ it
[21:35] <KM0201> like i said.. just didn't bode well for me
[21:53] <KM0201> Unit193: any luck?


[00:15] <stgraber> f/win 39
[00:15] <stgraber> sorry
[12:01] <Pendulum> #startmeeting
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[12:01] <IdleOne> o/
[12:02] <Pendulum> Welcome to the 8 August 1200 Membership board meeting.
[12:02] <Pendulum> We will go through applicants in chronological order. When we call your name, please link us to your wiki and launchpad pages and give us a brief introduction.
[12:03] <Pendulum> #voters IdleOne head_victim Destine Pendulum
[12:03] <meetingology> Current voters: Destine IdleOne Pendulum head_victim
[12:03] <head_victim> Good evening all
[12:03] <Destine> Good evening
[12:04] <IdleOne> Good Morning here
[12:04] <Pendulum> Ravi325, are you here?
[12:04] <smartboyhw> I don't see him on the user list...
[12:05] <head_victim> Just gotta check in case they're aliasing.
[12:08] <smartboyhw> Sounds like he's not here...
[12:09] <Pendulum> Okay, it looks like Ravi325 isn't here. As he's the only applicant, I guess we can put this down as a very short meeting. Thank you to all the board members who showed up.
[12:09] <Pendulum> #endmeeting
[12:09] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Aug  8 12:09:45 2012 UTC.
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[12:11] <smartboyhw> ...
[12:11] <smartboyhw> That's quick.
[12:12] <IdleOne> happens sometimes
[12:13] <smartboyhw> Oh man, I will cmoe back in September or October or se.
[12:14] <smartboyhw> Next meeting: QA!
[13:46] <smartboyhw> Guys, QA meeting coming in 15 minutes!
[13:54] <smartboyhw> QA meeting coming 6 minutes.
[14:00] <phillw> #startmeeting Ubuntu QA Meeting
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[14:00]  * smartboyhw waves
[14:00] <phillw> hi, can those present please say o/
[14:00] <smartboyhw> o/
[14:00] <jdl> o/
[14:01] <phillw> should be a short meeting!
[14:01] <smartboyhw> OK!
[14:01] <jdl> just like last time
[14:01] <smartboyhw> The 1st August meeting
[14:01] <smartboyhw> is short.
[14:02] <jokerdino> this shouldn't be!
[14:02] <phillw> there are no previous actions outstanding
[14:02] <phillw> #topic Ubuntu update
[14:02] <smartboyhw> Ha!
[14:03] <phillw> is anyone in from Ubuntu to give an update?
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Hmm...Any +1 (12.10) team members here?
[14:03] <jokerdino> hi!
[14:03] <jokerdino> me is on quantal
[14:03] <jdl> nice
[14:04] <phillw> balloons: do you know of any breaking news?
[14:04] <smartboyhw> balloons: Give us an update
[14:04] <balloons> breaking news?
[14:04] <phillw> as far as I can see, things are going very well.
[14:05] <smartboyhw> We are just doing the ISO Testing Cadence.
[14:05] <phillw> A critical bug on upgrade has been squished
[14:05] <smartboyhw> YEAH!
[14:05] <jokerdino> when is the lo-menubar becoming default?
[14:06] <phillw> #topic other flavours
[14:06] <phillw> I'll start with Lubutu
[14:06] <smartboyhw> OK, thanks, phillw
[14:07] <phillw> As pretty much seems the case with Ubuntu, the silence on our mailing list can only mean that things are going well. I see no bugs being raised.
[14:07] <smartboyhw> Great week, then.
[14:07] <phillw> The devs have closed a couple of niggling bugs and the artwork is under test - no problems reported.
[14:08] <phillw> That's all from Lubuntu
[14:08] <smartboyhw> Thanks.
[14:08] <phillw> Any other flavours present to report in how they're getting on?
[14:08] <smartboyhw> Anyone from edubuntu, Xubuntu....etc?
[14:09] <smartboyhw> blank silence...:)
[14:09] <jdl> (crickets chirping)
[14:09] <jocarter> well, we usually only do our status updates at the release team meetings anyway :)
[14:10] <jocarter> (for edubuntu)
[14:10] <smartboyhw> YEAH!
[14:10] <jokerdino> i personally have no idea what's going in this meeting. so keeping quiet..
[14:10] <jocarter> not really sure if it's useful doing the flavour updates here because then they have to do it twice and on differenc cycles
[14:11] <balloons> phillw, can we discuss the idea?
[14:11] <phillw> jocarter: this is the meeting of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam
[14:11] <phillw> #topic Other Topics
[14:11] <jocarter> phillw: ah, ok :)
[14:11] <phillw> balloons: sure :)
[14:11] <smartboyhw> That's quick.
[14:12] <smartboyhw> I added two things to the agenda, where ARE they?
[14:12] <balloons> jocarter, phillw I can see jocarter's point
[14:12] <phillw> balloons: indeed, at this stage of testing, things are quiet.
[14:12] <smartboyhw> o/
[14:13] <balloons> perhaps we can alter the agenda to not specifically ask for updates from the flavors. We could handle that during the open 'other topics' portion if we wished
[14:13] <phillw> smartboyhw: feel free to speak :)
[14:13] <smartboyhw> Ack, where are the two agenda items I added?
[14:13] <phillw> balloons: sure.
[14:14] <jdl> i agree with ballons
[14:14] <phillw> smartboyhw: sorry, I had a cached copy of the aganda. I'll get to them next :)
[14:14] <smartboyhw> ...
[14:14] <smartboyhw> balloons, any updates on the testing cadences for today?
[14:15] <phillw> #topic blueprint updates
[14:16] <phillw> has anyone got anything to say on this topic?
[14:17] <balloons> o/
[14:17] <phillw> balloons: go ahead :)
[14:18] <balloons> Let me find the page that lists the details of the blueprints from last cycle
[14:18] <smartboyhw> Give me the link, balloons.
[14:19] <phillw> no worries, we are not up against the clock like at some meetings :)
[14:19] <balloons> In theory, we should be having a look at them as we go through the cycle. I just posted a mid-cycle review yesterday on the work items for the cycle
[14:20] <balloons> for instance, here's me: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/u/nskaggs.html
[14:21] <balloons> but as a community we don't have a burndown chart per say.. I know some folks did get items on some of the blueprints
[14:21] <smartboyhw> Wow, dude, can I get one of these pages!
[14:24] <balloons> phillw, ..
[14:24] <smartboyhw> balloons: Receive my PM?
[14:24] <phillw> balloons: I'm just looking at the link
[14:26] <smartboyhw> Well, phillw, you'd better move on.
[14:26] <phillw> it's a little confusing to me :/ The amount of things TODO does not appear to go down as things 'DONE' are flagged?
[14:26] <smartboyhw> ..
[14:26] <balloons> phillw, I added to my TODO
[14:27] <phillw> balloons: ah, okay!
[14:27] <balloons> it should all burn down... mine isn't a good example persay, heh.. but it works
[14:27] <phillw> okay :)
[14:28] <phillw> #topic New Test Case
[14:28] <smartboyhw> My turn.
[14:28] <smartboyhw> Anyone here please read: http://sdrv.ms/ROS6Cz
[14:29] <smartboyhw> This is a very mere draft of a new UEFi testcase.
[14:29] <phillw> smartboyhw: I have to set some time with you when you are available to go through your new test case
[14:29] <smartboyhw> OK.
[14:29] <smartboyhw> I need someone to help writing it better.
[14:29] <smartboyhw> Anyone volunteer?
[14:29] <phillw> smartboyhw: we'll chat after the meeting and arrange some time when you are available.
[14:30] <smartboyhw> OK.
[14:30] <smartboyhw> ..
[14:30] <phillw> #action phillw to arrange time with smartboyhw to liase on new testcase.
[14:30] <meetingology> ACTION: phillw to arrange time with smartboyhw to liase on new testcase.
[14:30] <smartboyhw> ...
[14:31] <smartboyhw> ..
[14:31] <phillw> #topic Other Items
[14:31] <phillw> balloons: can I pop something else onto your TODO list?
[14:31] <smartboyhw> As it turns out, this meeting's long.
[14:32] <balloons> phillw, heh.. don't worry that stuff isn't all I work on
[14:32] <astraljava> o/
[14:32] <phillw> astraljava: yes?
[14:32] <skaet> balloons,   the burn down chart for community testing is at: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/group/topic-quantal-quality-community-testing.html
[14:32] <astraljava> Just a heads-up, nothing big to report on Xubuntu (nor Studio), we're testing 12.04.1 images, no huge issues has come to my knowledge.
[14:33] <phillw> astraljava: thanks :)
[14:33] <astraljava> Same can be said on quantal.
[14:33] <smartboyhw> astraljava: You're late!
[14:33] <astraljava> ..
[14:33] <skaet> o/
[14:33] <game2> astraljava: does this have a new lowlatency kernel built?
[14:33] <smartboyhw> o/
[14:33] <phillw> thanks skaet
[14:33] <astraljava> game2: This refers to?
[14:33] <smartboyhw> o/
[14:34] <game2> there were no ll kernels built after precise was released
[14:34] <game2> refers to US 12.04.1
[14:34] <astraljava> game2: Ahh... precise. Yes, there seems to be some confusion about -lowlatency. I'll try to sort it out.
[14:34] <astraljava> ..
[14:34] <smartboyhw> o/
[14:35] <phillw> skaet: do you have something to add?
[14:35] <skaet> yup,   just a reminder of the upcoming milestones
[14:36] <skaet> 12.04.1 will be switching from being built from precise to -updates after this week,  so any testing to make sure there are no surprises would be very welcome around now.
[14:36] <skaet> 12.04.1 will be released on 8/23
[14:37] <skaet> 12.10 Beta 1 will be on 9/6
[14:37] <phillw> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule
[14:38] <smartboyhw> 12.10 Beta 2 on 27/6
[14:38] <smartboyhw> Final release on 18/10
[14:38] <smartboyhw> Coming up: FeatureFreeze on 23/30.
[14:38] <smartboyhw> 23/8, sorry.
[14:38] <skaet> remaining features for quantal will be landing by 8/23 (feature freeze).
[14:38] <skaet> ..
[14:38] <smartboyhw> UserInterfaceFreeze and Beta 1 Freeze on 30/8.
[14:38] <phillw> thanks skaet
[14:39] <smartboyhw> o/
[14:39] <phillw> smartboyhw: I have posted the link to the meeting for anyone who does not have it as a favourite on their browser :)
[14:39] <smartboyhw> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule
[14:39] <phillw> smartboyhw: go ahead
[14:39] <smartboyhw> OK.
[14:40] <smartboyhw> I have a question for balloons: Any updates on the participation for the ISO Testing Cadence?
[14:41] <balloons> smartboyhw, sure
[14:41] <balloons> We have had 10 people test now this week
[14:42] <balloons> something like ~30 results have been reported
[14:42] <balloons> I am working on trying to be able to show the status of cadence testing and to better explain it since there seems to be confusion
[14:43] <balloons> I can do that on the mailing list however, in reply to phillw
[14:43] <phillw> balloons: thanks
[14:43] <smartboyhw> thanks balloons
[14:43] <balloons> in short however, the goal is to test each mandatory testcase at least once during the week.. it differs from milestones in that we are not concerned about respins, etc
[14:43] <balloons> ..
[14:44] <smartboyhw> balloons: Every once a day is the goal
[14:44] <smartboyhw> The ultimate one.
[14:44] <smartboyhw> o/ We need people to test daily images EVERYDAY.
[14:45] <smartboyhw> ..
[14:45] <phillw> smartboyhw: that is a goal, but there are insufficient testers. Better that we use our scarce resources wisely :)
[14:46] <smartboyhw> Well, give me the task to find daily testers, is that OK?
[14:46] <smartboyhw> I sure I'm find somebody...:)
[14:47] <phillw> smartboyhw: for all flavours? It will be more than somebody! It would be several hundred each day. This is why the project of automatic testing is important.
[14:48] <smartboyhw> Only for Ubuntu.
[14:48] <phillw> but we can discuss that on the -testing channel :)
[14:48] <smartboyhw> I won't do the lubuntu and xubuntu part.
[14:49] <smartboyhw> ..
[14:49] <smartboyhw> Anyway.
[14:49] <smartboyhw> ..
[14:49] <phillw> balloons: has any progress been made so that the daily builds do not wipe out what has been tested on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds
[14:50] <phillw> #action phillw amend agenda to remove weekly report of flavours.
[14:50] <meetingology> ACTION: phillw amend agenda to remove weekly report of flavours.
[14:51] <smartboyhw> !?!?!!?!!?
[14:51] <smartboyhw> o/
[14:51] <phillw> smartboyhw: yes?
[14:51] <smartboyhw> Why did you remove the weekly report of flavours?
[14:53] <smartboyhw> ..
[14:53] <phillw> smartboyhw: it was chatted about earlier in the meeting, it will fall under 'other topics' if people from the flavours are present.
[14:53] <balloons> phillw, you mean in the same way as during a milestone?
[14:53] <smartboyhw> OK, thanks. But you should put it in the Updates section.
[14:53] <balloons> this week, although it's harder for you to see the previous results, they are not lost or wiped
[14:54] <balloons> I am counting and attempting to track them.
[14:54] <phillw> balloons: yes. otherwise no one knows what has been tested :)
[14:54] <balloons> phillw, yes, I know.. that is definitely an issue.. But we don't have a good tech solution atm to the problem
[14:54] <phillw> the only way I can track is by turning on the history which makes for a very long list!
[14:54] <balloons> if we did a traditional milestone, we'd lose results on the new iso releases
[14:55] <balloons> let's chat after in #testing
[14:55] <phillw> okies
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Ok.
[14:55] <balloons> tldr, it's a problem, and I want to solve it.. longterm the tracker will get changes to do so. short-term, we need a soltion
[14:55] <smartboyhw> ..
[14:55] <balloons> ..
[14:56] <phillw> anyone else got anything to add for the meeting that cannot be carried over to #ubuntu-testing?
[14:56] <smartboyhw> No.
[14:56] <smartboyhw> ..
[14:56] <phillw> ah, balloons I'm just going to sneak in a quick action for you :)
[14:57] <smartboyhw> ...
[14:57] <phillw> #action balloons edit http://qa.ubuntu.com/ to reflect correct time of weekly meeting
[14:57] <meetingology> ACTION: balloons edit http://qa.ubuntu.com/ to reflect correct time of weekly meeting
[14:57] <phillw> #endmeeting
[14:57] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Aug  8 14:57:40 2012 UTC.
[14:57] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-08-14.00.moin.txt
[14:57] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-08-14.00.html
[14:57] <smartboyhw> phillw: I don't understand the last part
[14:57] <game2> astraljava: thanks
[14:57] <phillw> hmmm....
[14:58] <smartboyhw> The weekly meeting has a correct time...
[14:59] <skaet> thanks for hosting phillw
[15:00] <smartboyhw> Thanks phillw
[15:00] <smartboyhw> Next week chair will be me AGAIN!
[15:01] <phillw> np. I'll get the wiki updated shortly.
[15:04]  * slangasek waves
[15:04]  * stgraber waves
[15:04] <jodh> o/
[15:04] <doko> hi
[15:04] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:04]  * ogra_ yawns
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[15:04] <slangasek> #topic lightning round
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Wow, what's this meeting?
[15:05] <ogra_> (still fighting the last remains of jetlag)
[15:05] <slangasek> smartboyhw: Ubuntu Foundations meeting, same one that it was last week. :)
[15:05] <ogra_> smartboyhw, fridge.ubuntu.com has the calendar
[15:05] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra infinity cjwatson xnox stokachu)
[15:06] <slangasek> stgraber ev cjwatson jodh barry bdmurray doko xnox infinity stokachu ogra slangasek
[15:06] <slangasek> whoo I win
[15:06] <ogra_> heh
[15:06] <stgraber> nope, I do :)
[15:06]  * ogra_ has silver :)
[15:06] <stgraber> for some value of win ;)
[15:06] <doko> at least the monologue near the beginning ...
[15:06] <slangasek> haha
[15:07] <stgraber> - 12.04.1
[15:07] <stgraber>  - 12.04.1 team meeting and minutes
[15:07] <stgraber>  - Went through all the targeted/milestoned bugs for 12.04.1, updated status based on comments and queue status.
[15:07] <stgraber>  - Verified a bunch of SRUs.
[15:07] <stgraber>  - Followed wiki page on for release - 1 month and release - 3 weeks, uploading base-files.
[15:07] <stgraber>  - Worked on getting the images to fit on a 703MB media again, still need to fix i386.
[15:07] <stgraber>  - Fixed fglrx/fglrx-updates purge bug and uploaded by tseliot.
[15:07] <stgraber>  - Now digging into bug 1029531
[15:07] <stgraber> - Other
[15:07] <stgraber>  - Some ARB app review, the app showdown made the ARB New queue reach 140 packages... Still 50 to review...
[15:07] <stgraber> - TODO this week
[15:07] <stgraber>  - Continue the work on 12.04.1.
[15:07] <stgraber> (DONE)
[15:08] <ev> - Short week; holiday until Monday.
[15:08] <ev> - Got caught up on email.
[15:08] <ev> - Got involved in Seb's thread on ubuntu-release about removing the error
[15:08] <ev>   tracker from Ubuntu 12.04.1.
[15:08] <ev> - Started implementing Matthew's design for the multiple errors dialog:
[15:08] <ev>   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ErrorTracker#When_there_are_multiple_simultaneous_errors
[15:08] <ev>   I've taught apport to export a small dbus service to ensure only one
[15:08] <ev>   instance of apport runs *until* the user presses the report button and the
[15:08] <ev>   application window disappears, chugging away adding the gdb information to
[15:08] <ev>   the report. GtkApplication didn't seem to make room for this concept of
[15:08] <ev>   releasing the singleton, but if anyone thinks DBus is too heavy/racy for
[15:08] <ev>   this and can come up with a better approach, I'm all ears.
[15:08] <ev> - Wrote a tool to calculate the 90 day moving count of unique users. Modified
[15:08] <ev>   it to allow Ubuntu release specificity. This requires having a mapping of
[15:08] <ev>   crash ID back to the system which reported it. As we only have data in the
[15:08] <ev>   opposite direction, I've had to write a tool to create the needed mapping.
[15:08] <ev>   This has been running in the background for a few hours. Once that's done, I
[15:08] <ev>   should be able to reply to Steve's request for the day's crashes / 90 day
[15:08] <ev>   unique user count calculation.
[15:08] <ev> - Helped webops land the new errors.ubuntu.com \o/. There was some fallout
[15:08] <ev>   from me running a newer version of Django for development than what we have
[15:08] <ev>   in production, but we have a deployment in progress to fix that.
[15:08] <ev> (done)
[15:09] <cjwatson> Working on a Python rewrite of cdimage, with unit tests.  Once I have it approved for release, it's reasonably far along: e.g. I have publish-daily rewritten.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Deployed ubuntu-archive-tools client code to automatically approve copies, saving extra error-prone manual approval steps.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Finished shifting security->updates auto-copies away from lp_archive@cocoplum and into ubuntu-archive@lillypilly (over the API).  We no longer have any cron jobs running as lp_archive.
[15:10] <cjwatson> Trying to comprehend new image build options in xorriso 1.2.4 - got advice from upstream which I've yet to digest.
[15:10] <cjwatson> Worked on showing LP UI audit trail for copies (bug 1032857).
[15:10] <cjwatson> Home internet still busted.  I'm on a mobile hotspot. :-/
[15:10] <cjwatson> done
[15:10] <cjwatson> Belatedly working on aptdaemon bug 926340.  Almost done - just took a while to remind myself of how to reproduce it reliably.
[15:10] <jodh> * boot/upstart:
[15:10] <jodh>   - slanagasek and I worked on a number of branches for the best fix for
[15:10] <jodh>     bug 980917.
[15:10] <jodh>   - lots of testing for final branch for bug 980917 (including LXC).
[15:10] <jodh>   - my first archive upload for Upstart (for bug 980917).
[15:10] <jodh>   - working on SRU-ifying bug 980917 and associated precise-proposed upload.
[15:10] <jodh>   - stateful re-exec: ConfSource/ConfFiles/inotify watches handling.
[15:10] <jodh>     Discussion with cjwatson. Work still ongoing.
[15:10] <ev> cdimage unit tests> wow, that will be awesome
[15:10] <jodh>   - discussions with diwic and TheMuso re updated libjson0 package.
[15:10] <jodh>   - raised debian bug 684058 on getting libjson0 version 0.10 added to
[15:10] <jodh>     Debian (and started looking at how to package that).
[15:10] <jodh> 𝀘
[15:10] <jodh>
[15:10] <cjwatson> ev: nusakan:~cjwatson/python/ if you want a previous
[15:11] <cjwatson> er, a preview
[15:11] <ev> will have a look, thanks!
[15:11] <ev> oh man, I totes should've used an emoji character to end my report
[15:13] <ogra_> no barry ?
[15:13] <stokachu> try xbarry :P
[15:13] <slangasek> jodh: first archive upload> ah, congrats :)
[15:13] <jodh> slangasek: thanks very much!
[15:14] <slangasek> barry's on vac
[15:14] <slangasek> bdrung:
[15:14] <slangasek> sorry
[15:14] <slangasek> bdmurray:
[15:14] <bdmurray> vacation (two days)
[15:14] <bdmurray> test case creation for bug 818760 regarding update-manager
[15:14] <bdmurray> investigation into pkg origins being Ubuntu and reported apport bug 1031978
[15:14] <bdmurray> testing of bug 1017001
[15:14] <bdmurray> fixed xulid of firefox-lp-improvements as it was identified as malware
[15:14] <bdmurray> resolved an issue with arsenal not loading launchpad_config information from json files
[15:14] <bdmurray> reported daisy bug 1032398
[15:14] <bdmurray> reported bug 1032822 regarding json formatting at errors.ubuntu.com
[15:14] <bdmurray> investigation into oops reports without a DistroRelease
[15:14] <bdmurray> investigation into dist-upgrader-all and precise not being up to date
[15:14] <bdmurray> wrote code to get errors about a package from errors.ubuntu.com and present bug data about them
[15:15] <slangasek> malware?
[15:15] <bdmurray> ⌁ done ⌁
[15:15] <bdmurray> the extension was using the xulid of firefox and so was a piece of malware
[15:15] <slangasek> heh
[15:15] <cjwatson> which had it first?
[15:16] <bdmurray> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=779014
[15:16] <ev> bdmurray: massive thanks for the errors.ubuntu.com stuff!
[15:17] <bdmurray> the firefox-lp-improvements extension should have had a unique id I just didn't realize that...
[15:18]  * slangasek nods
[15:18] <slangasek> doko:
[15:18] <doko> - the 'I hate multiarch' week
[15:18] <doko> - got feedback for the gcc-multiarch patch from a fourth reviewer after pinging, having two valid
[15:18] <doko>  points, and contrary points to the other reviewers. fun ...
[15:18] <doko> - looked at the upstream python3.3 build issue, which didn't have to do anything with the cross p
[15:18] <doko> atches, but with an incomplete multiarch patch.
[15:18] <doko> - binutils updates
[15:18] <doko> - openjdk updates still pending
[15:18] <doko> (done)
[15:19] <slangasek> doko: put the reviewers in a room together, and whichever ones survive, implement their recommendation? :)
[15:19] <doko> I would like to ...
[15:20] <slangasek> xnox: still here?
[15:20] <xnox> Bits I did today:
[15:20] <xnox> * did an upload of ubiquity and partman-crypto to land automatic
[15:20] <xnox>   recipe for full-disk encrypted installation.
[15:20] <xnox> * confirmed removal from quantal of:
[15:20] <xnox>   - ichtux (meta-packages / derivative)
[15:20] <xnox>   - boost1.46
[15:20] <xnox> (done)
[15:20] <infinity> Apparently yes.
[15:21] <stokachu> xnox: hows that rdepends test suit coming
[15:21] <ogra_> quite a lot for a vacation day
[15:21] <infinity> - worked on SRU and AA tasks
[15:21] <infinity> - worked with lamont on new Panda buildds some more
[15:21] <infinity> - helped look into CD size issues for 12.04.1
[15:21] <infinity> - did a couple of merges, and a bit of +1 fixing
[15:21] <infinity> - worked on eglibc updates for both quantal and precise
[15:21] <infinity> - possibly other stuff I've forgotten in my old age
[15:21] <infinity> [...]
[15:21] <doko> 2.16 for q?
[15:21] <slangasek> stokachu: are you blocked on that?  I thought we managed to manual rebuilds of the revdeps for our multiarch libs?
[15:21] <stokachu> Customer cases took priority this week, still running rdepends on a few packages (libgnomevfs rdeps on libreoffice wtf..)
[15:22] <infinity> doko: That's still a maybe, but for now, just mirroring some SRU backporting.
[15:22] <stokachu> slangasek: yea im doing it manually
[15:22] <slangasek> stokachu: ah, is it still ongoing?
[15:22] <infinity> doko: I need to look at what aurel's done for 2.16 in Debian.
[15:22] <stokachu> slangasek: yea gnome-vfs takes foreverrrrr
[15:22] <slangasek> stokachu: note that for this purpose we *only* need test rebuilds of the direct reverse-dependencies
[15:22] <slangasek> so none of the level2 and above stuff identified in xnox's report...
[15:22]  * xnox hides
[15:22] <stokachu> slangasek: im using a script stgraber sent me
[15:22] <slangasek> ok
[15:23] <stokachu> so stgraber does that script show only direct rdeps?
[15:23] <stokachu> i would love to trim this testing down
[15:23] <slangasek> infinity: 2.16 in Debian> you mentioned something about experimental staging... I guess any of that is still in the VCS?
[15:23] <stgraber> yeah, it's only direct rdeps for all binary packages built by the source
[15:23] <stokachu> ok cool
[15:23] <stgraber> you may be able to trim it down a bit by limiting the list of binary packages to only these that you care about
[15:23] <stokachu> slangasek: so yea libreoffice is part of the direct rdeps which takes forever
[15:23] <infinity> slangasek: Right, aurel committed some bits to Debian SVN, haven't had a chance to see how far he got.
[15:24] <slangasek> stokachu, stgraber: we only care about the ones that build-depend on libgnomevfs2-dev
[15:24] <stokachu> slangasek: is that for all packages i want to test?
[15:24] <slangasek> seems to be a much shorter list
[15:24] <stokachu> just -dev?
[15:24] <stgraber> infinity: ETA on eglibc in -proposed?
[15:24] <slangasek> stokachu: yeah
[15:24] <infinity> stgraber: "real soon".
[15:25] <stokachu> slangasek: awesome ill do that then... will trim the testing down big time
[15:25] <stgraber> infinity: before tomorrow 21:00 UTC?
[15:25] <infinity> stgraber: I'll try my best to hit that for you.
[15:25] <stokachu> lastly, doing another month of +1
[15:25] <stokachu> (done)
[15:25] <slangasek> stokachu: revised list: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1136312/
[15:25] <stokachu> slangasek: that is a much better list
[15:26] <slangasek> stokachu: sorry, didn't realize you were wasting time on other kinds of revdeps :/
[15:27] <stokachu> slangasek: thats cool i was merely just taking the script and running the tests didn't really dig into it
[15:27] <stokachu> i should have those rdeps tested today then
[15:27] <slangasek> stokachu: anything else from you for the lightning round?
[15:27]  * xnox off to volleyball =) bye
[15:27]  * slangasek waves to xnox
[15:27] <stokachu> slangasek: im done
[15:28] <ev> xnox: enjoy
[15:28]  * ogra_ fires up the livestream ... to make sure xnox is on time at the game :)
[15:28] <ogra_> done:
[15:28] <ogra_> * QA sprint http://ograblog.wordpress.com/2012/08/06/the-bamboo-feeder-automating-continuous-arm-image-tests/ (lots of positive feedback)
[15:28] <ogra_> * started on flash-kernel vs live-installer fixes
[15:28] <ogra_> * work started on transitioning all of flash-kernel bootloader handling to use /etc/default/flash-kernel as a source for the bootloader cmdline
[15:28] <ogra_> * lots of jetlag
[15:28] <ogra_> todo:
[15:28] <ogra_> * finish live-installer vs flash-kernel fixing
[15:28] <ogra_> * finish /etc/default/flash-kernel work
[15:28] <ogra_> * set up a bamboo feeder locally (i brought a bunch of pandas home) to move on with script development
[15:28] <ogra_> * make flash-kernel upgrades work with the new bootloader handling
[15:28] <ogra_> * clean up spec items that wont make FF, work on the ones that will
[15:28] <ogra_> EOF
[15:29] <slangasek> bamboo feeder> heh
[15:29] <ogra_> :)
[15:29] <slangasek>  * SRU processing, focused on 12.04.1 preparation
[15:29] <slangasek>  * reviewing upstart bugfix branches - now landed in quantal!
[15:29] <slangasek>  * discussions around how to improve the crashdb client behavior for 12.04
[15:29] <slangasek>  * investigating EFI netboot support
[15:29] <slangasek>  * managing secureboot insecurities
[15:29] <slangasek>  * upcoming:
[15:30] <slangasek>   * more helping with 12.04.1
[15:30] <slangasek>   * doc appt. this afternoon
[15:30] <slangasek> (done)
[15:30] <slangasek> any questions?
[15:31] <slangasek> #topic Ḃųǵṡ
[15:32]  * xnox there is a bug with slangasek irc client, or so it appears to
[15:32] <stokachu> http://pad.lv/977964 - if someone has time to provide feedback to my latest comment i'd appreciate it
[15:32] <slangasek> hmph, frail bot
[15:32] <slangasek> #topic Bugs
[15:32] <slangasek> right, whatever :)
[15:32] <slangasek> bdmurray: what's defective?
[15:33] <bdmurray> slangasek: I don't have anything specific today
[15:33] <slangasek> ok
[15:33] <cjwatson> stokachu: I think ScottK is saying (and I'm inclined to agree) that any changes to precise should be based on the package in precise, not based on the package in quantal - you need to extract the necessary changes rather than just backporting the quantal package
[15:34] <cjwatson> s/that/is that/
[15:34] <stokachu> cjwatson: ok
[15:35]  * slangasek has a peek at http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:35] <stokachu> or should i target quantal and create a new precise bug
[15:36] <cjwatson> well, the changes need to go into quantal if they haven't already
[15:36] <cjwatson> but there's no need for a separate bug, since this one is already targeted to precise (and apparently fix-released in quantal ...)
[15:36] <stokachu> ok ill fix the patch and re-submit for approval
[15:36] <stokachu> thanks for the help
[15:37] <cjwatson> bearing in mind I don't know much about this package, this is just generalised sru advice
[15:38] <stokachu> cjwatson: understood, i think this debdiff was originally done by another team member and i never did any proper inspection on it
[15:38] <slangasek> hmm, bug #892370 continues to linger
[15:38] <stokachu> cjwatson: i believe its already in quantal
[15:38] <stokachu> just need to specifics for precise and it'd be good to go
[15:38] <smartboyhw> Good bug, that 892370!
[15:40] <slangasek> cjwatson, stgraber, ev: any of you willing to take jmleddy's patch to tzdata and run with it?
[15:40] <ev> -ENOTIME
[15:42] <slangasek> maybe that bug is too much to digest in an IRC meeting :)
[15:42] <cjwatson> Even additions to tzdata should go upstream, IMO
[15:43] <slangasek> should we ask jmleddy to do that, then?
[15:43] <cjwatson> Otherwise TZ is incompatible with other systems (e.g. chroots, ssh env forwarding, etc.)
[15:43]  * cjwatson tries to remember where the translations live
[15:44] <cjwatson> tzsetup maybe?
[15:46] <cjwatson> I'm honestly not sure at this point where that lives, and I'm not sure I can promise time to figure it out
[15:46] <cjwatson> Forwarding the tzdata patch upstream would be an easy way for jmleddy to move forward if he thinks that's correct
[15:46] <ogra_> or convince china to just flip the names of the cities ?
[15:47] <cjwatson> Ah, Shanghai isn't translated in tzsetup because we force CN to Shanghai rather than offering all the possible choices there
[15:47] <slangasek> ogra_: but then the etymology of Beijing would make no sense :)
[15:47] <cjwatson> So it'd have to be done in ubiquity if we were doing a translation hack
[15:47] <smartboyhw> But Beijing is the capital
[15:47] <ogra_> details :P
[15:47] <cjwatson> Which then wouldn't help the other affected applications, which IIRC there are some
[15:48] <cjwatson> smartboyhw: we weren't being serious
[15:48] <slangasek> cjwatson: can you follow up to the bug (or on IRC) to ask jmleddy to get this upstreamed?
[15:49] <smartboyhw> If you don't fix it, the Chinesee authorities won't allow Ubuntu to go into China.
[15:49] <cjwatson> slangasek: Done
[15:49] <cjwatson> smartboyhw: Please don't exaggerate
[15:49] <slangasek> heh
[15:49] <slangasek> cjwatson: thanks :)
[15:50] <slangasek> #topic Blueprints
[15:50] <ogra_> since we are at bugs ...
[15:50] <slangasek> ogra_: too late!
[15:50] <slangasek> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/canonical-foundations.html
[15:50] <slangasek> burndown's looking a bit rough :P
[15:50] <ogra_> i'll try to move along with bug 1028905 myself, but i fear i'll need some cjwatson help at some point
[15:51] <slangasek> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/all-quantal-alpha-3.html shows some 80 WIs targeted to alpha-3 that didn't get in
[15:52] <slangasek> I know 12.04.1 has pulled a lot of effort away from quantal development for this first part of the cycle, but please make it a focus for the next couple of weeks to get these back on track
[15:52] <slangasek> and we'll discuss one-on-one if there are things that need cutting
[15:53] <slangasek> questions/concerns?
[15:54] <slangasek> oh... 80 WIs is across all teams, our outstanding count is < 10 ;)
[15:54] <cjwatson> I marked my one of those done earlier
[15:54] <slangasek> cjwatson: groovy, thanks
[15:55] <slangasek> #topic AOB
[15:55] <slangasek> anything else?
[15:56] <infinity> I could use a snack.
[15:56] <infinity> Does that count?
[15:56]  * ogra_ hands infinity a snickers
[15:56] <slangasek> only if it's a business snack
[15:57]  * cjwatson uploads the aptdaemon SRU candidate - can that still make it?
[15:57] <slangasek> I think it should
[15:57] <stgraber> cjwatson: yes
[15:57] <cjwatson> (should be in the queue in ~5 mins)
[15:57] <cjwatson> ~3 actually
[15:58] <slangasek> \o/
[15:58] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:58] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Aug  8 15:58:16 2012 UTC.
[15:58] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-08-15.04.moin.txt
[15:58] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-08-15.04.html
[15:58] <slangasek> thanks all
[15:58] <ogra_> thanks slangasek
[15:58] <jodh> thanks!
[15:58] <infinity> o/
[15:58] <ev> thanks
[16:11] <brendand> skaet, which daily can we use for 12.04.1 smoke testing?


[16:32] <Laibsch> Can I manipulate the status of bugs' release pockets?
[16:32] <Laibsch> IOW, set all karmic bugs to wontfix
[16:32] <Laibsch> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs
[16:33] <Laibsch> I want to do this with the e-mail API: https://help.launchpad.net/Bugs/EmailInterface
[16:38] <teward> AIUI "Won't Fix" is a unique, controlled-access status...
[16:41] <Laibsch> does that answer my question in any way?
[16:41] <Laibsch> if it is relevant, I can set that status without any problem via the web interface
[16:45] <teward> Laibsch: that's the first thing I was checking, yes.  :P
[16:46] <Laibsch> then I do not understand the answer
[16:46] <Laibsch> -v, please
[16:46]  * teward never gave you a full answer
[16:49] <Laibsch> are you playing games with me?
[16:49]  * Laibsch is starting to get annoyed
[16:49] <teward> no, i'm not sure of the answer, so i'm searching too
[16:51] <teward> so patience, or wait for someone who knows the system better to answer (I asked #launchpad as well since they may know even more)
[16:54] <Laibsch> bbl
[20:25] <teward> well i haave an answer to Laibsch's initial question - thanks to cjwatson in #launchpad for it, because the documentation didn't show the functionality
[21:50] <teward> going to put out a serious question: is there any reason the bugs listed at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+bugs should be left open, or can we mark them as "Won't Fix" if we have the rights to?
[22:00] <penguin42> I don't see why they should remain open - obviously only the karmic part of bugs that have parts for multiple versions
[22:01] <teward> correct
[22:01] <penguin42> I'd be tempted to kill off the new and confirmed and see what's left
[22:01] <teward> i've already made a huge list of commands to send to edit@bugs to close them all... I'mma redo it to target new and confirmed for now...
[22:01] <teward> maybe triaged.
[22:02] <teward> new confirmed and incomplete actually
[22:04] <penguin42> yeh
[22:07] <teward> hggdh: ^  (related to the PM I sent)
[22:07] <teward> in case you want to loop in your opinion publicly :)
[22:09] <hggdh> heh
[22:10] <hggdh> they can be either invalid or wontfix, provided that a blurb is given asking to open a new bug on a supported release
[22:10] <teward> heh.  a lot of these appear to be Fix Released for the main bug task...
[22:11] <hggdh> so it would be a backport -- which will not happen. As such, safe to close wontfix.
[22:13] <teward> mhm
[22:18] <teward> i'm going to close the 6 karmic bugs against amsynth all at once as "Won't Fix", so lets see if I did this right... I'll add a form comment manually after... too bad there's no email interface for staging, then i would be able to test this a lot more thoroughly...
[22:26] <teward> well, goody, it worked.