[00:53] <ubptgbot> Bart was added by: Bart
 @Sanath [Ubuntu 16.04 used to have a emulator.not sure if its still support. https://www. …], I think that broke long ago
 @TotalSonic [yes, receiving updates without a problem on my Meizu Pro 5 (4gig RAM, 64gig stor …], thanks
[02:52] <ubptgbot> Stefan was added by: Stefan
[04:40] <ubptgbot> Kamikaze_84 was added by: Kamikaze_84
 Hi. I have a click package which I last built an armhf version with an old ubuntu 15.04 (I think) VM and the QT development package that canonical provided all those years ago. Unfortunately I no longer have that VM. I'm trying to setup a build of it for aarch64 using the packages available in Arch, and I'm getting compilation errors
[04:42] <ubptgbot> using the docker image. It looks like the first error I get is related to c++11 support: … /usr/include/c++/5/bits/c++0x_warning.h:32:2: error: #error This file requires compiler and library support for the ISO C++ 2011 standard. This support must be enabled with the -std=c++11 or -std=gnu++11 compiler options. …  #error This file requires compiler
[04:42] <ubptgbot>  and library support \
 from there i just get a whole heap of compilation errors around qt5. I'm a qmake / QT newbie, and I'm not sure how to pass the -std=c++11 param down into the build..
 Ah finally. I think I figured it out. I didn't have a clickable.json. Once I added that to my project I was able to specify a build_arg to add c++11
 just in case it helps anyone, i documented my minor build drama here: https://kamikaze.awiki.org/projects/build-clickable-in-arch/wiki
 @floop2 [When I set up non-gmail accounts I had to switch to windowed mode to see the pop …], Nope, just says "validating cresentials" and never finish the setup.
 @Kamikaze_84 [just in case it helps anyone, i documented my minor build drama here: https://ka …], thanks for sharing
[08:15] <ubptgbot> Mushdim was added by: Mushdim
 Hey how to use qemu for try ubports on PC?
 THX 😁👍
[08:50] <ubptgbot> <Anaan Ahamad taha> no, python file
 @Gabriele [Hey how to use qemu for try ubports on PC?], ```snap install utqemu --edge … sudo utqemu start```
 the screenshot button in the power menu was added mainly for the pinephone but I still don't see it … I guess it's one of those things caused by the separate things for the pinephone....hopefully that can be sorted out 😀
 @LGeek [Nope, just says "validating cresentials" and never finish the setup.], Does this fix help?  http://forums.ubports.com/topic/4095/make-google-accounts-login-and-sync-again?_=1601543311957&lang=en-US
 more info on the above at https://github.com/ubports/account-plugins/issues/40#issuecomment-629549091
[09:14] <ubptgbot> <Black Life> @jonny [snap install utqemu --edge … sudo utqemu start], Hey! I've tried your recipe but got this errors: … `WARNING: Image format was not specified for '/root/snap/utqemu/common/ubuntu-touch-mainline-generic-amd64.img' and probing guessed raw. …          Automatically detecting the format is dangerous for raw images, write operations
[09:14] <ubptgbot> on block 0 will be restricted. …          Specify the 'raw' format explicitly to remove the restrictions. … Could not access KVM kernel module: Operation not permitted … qemu-system-x86_64: failed to initialize KVM: Operation not permitted`
[09:15] <ubptgbot> <Black Life> Host OS is Ubuntu 18.04. Is any way to fix errors?
 @Black Life [Host OS is Ubuntu 18.04. Is any way to fix errors?], I have the same issue. You could mention here that you are also affected: https://github.com/ubports/utqemu/issues/5
 I didn't know yet whether it was just me.
[09:18] <ubptgbot> <Black Life> @jonny [I didn't know yet whether it was just me.], Have you found another way to start ubports on pc?
 @Black Life [Host OS is Ubuntu 18.04. Is any way to fix errors?], Install qemu by yourself
 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Installation
 @Black Life [Host OS is Ubuntu 18.04. Is any way to fix errors?], [Edit] Install qemu-kvm by yourself
[10:35] <ubptgbot> <Black Life> @kisekinopureya [https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/Installation], have no effect to this error
 @Javacookies [the screenshot button in the power menu was added mainly for the pinephone but I …], On your Xperia? I have got it on mine.
 I'm not on devel on my Xperia but I am on my pinephone but it's still not there
[11:53] <Zuhaitz> Hello, I just bought an old BQ Aquaris E 4.5 for 30€ :-) I installed UBPorts. I found that there is no anbox kernel image for this smartphone model, is it posible to use another one?
[11:54] <Zuhaitz> To be honest without whatsapp a smartphone nowadays is quite useless (sadly Telegram is not enought).
[11:54] <Zuhaitz> Any help, please?
 @Zuhaitz [To be honest without whatsapp a smartphone nowadays is quite useless (sadly Tele …], not true for everybody ;-)
[11:59] <Zuhaitz> ubptgbot, I need Whatsapp to maintain contact with family , friends, people from work.
[11:59] <Zuhaitz> I really need it.
[12:00] <Zuhaitz> I need too my bank  .apk software for android, very usefull, it is posible via web but with my laptop, not with the phone...
 Yes, but i can't help you sorry ;-)
 [Edit] Yes, i understand, but i can't help you sorry ;-)
 I don't think Anbox is available for bq E4.5 and even if it works, it might have poor performance
[13:00] <Zuhaitz> I just need whatsapp and bank apps...
[13:00] <Zuhaitz> but thanks for the anseer
 @Javacookies [I'm not on devel on my Xperia but I am on my pinephone but it's still not there], i merged it to the wayland branch yesterday, but the build failed. it's rebuilding now, but for some reason seems to be taking forever
 i guess it's hanged for some reason
 trying again
 I see, thanks for the info … I'm just looking forward seeing how it works 😄
 @Javacookies [I see, thanks for the info … I'm just looking forward seeing how it works 😄], like the one in android, but more wordy
 How big is Ubuntu touch source?
 @Doomurr [How big is Ubuntu touch source?], well it's a linux distribution, so quite large considering all the components that make up UT
 @dohbee [well it's a linux distribution, so quite large considering all the components th …], Ok then
 How I can turn my device "portable" for use Ubuntu touch (my phone is a GalaxyOn7 Samsung)
[13:53] <ubptgbot> <Black Life> How can i run terminal on img from utqemu? There's no icon in menu
 @Black Life [How can i run terminal on img from utqemu? There's no icon in menu], is openstore there?
[13:54] <ubptgbot> <Black Life> nope
 Friends i have Samsung G360 Old Android Mobile .. I am planning to insstall ubuntu touch thru  porting but the problem is     That Mobile Ram 512MB only and Storage is 8 GB Only... Please Give me some suggestion i want to shift from Android.. …  i want to install ubuntu touch or any other privacy related os Please help me frnds
[13:54] <ubptgbot> <Black Life> and ctrl + alt + FX has no effect
 @hackmelove [Friends i have Samsung G360 Old Android Mobile .. I am planning to insstall ubun …], try to find a phone already supported by UT
 @Black Life [nope], hmm, seems like maybe the rootfs is a bit old?
 @dohbee [try to find a phone already supported by UT], no its not supported because ut minimum ram 1GB required
 @hackmelove [no its not supported because ut minimum ram 1GB required], yes. i mean, purchase a device that already has a port on https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io instead
 @Bismark [How I can turn my device "portable" for use Ubuntu touch (my phone is a GalaxyOn …], https://docs.halium.org is where to start
[14:13] <ubptgbot> A_shul was added by: A_shul
 @A_shul [A_shul was added by: ItsMeShouko], 🌚
 @ItsMeShouko [🌚], Hi, installed it on Mi5. I am looking for some more info.
 (Photo, 1187x720) https://irc.ubports.com/Enum6632.png Ubuntu touch on my 10yr old laptop xd
 @kisekinopureya [<reply to media>], ebic
 x86?
 nope,amd64
 yes x86 :P
[14:27] <ubptgbot> <Black Life> @kisekinopureya [<reply to media>], is terminal app there?
 @Black Life [is terminal app there?], No
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/uhGXiOcy.png
[14:32] <ubptgbot> <Black Life> @kisekinopureya [<reply to media>], same
 @kisekinopureya [No], maybe drop to tty to install
 i just noticed "i" character doesnt work on pyhsical keyboards, laptop and redmi 4x both behaves same
 Can someone test it ?
 @TotalSonic [Does this fix help?  http://forums.ubports.com/topic/4095/make-google-accounts-l …], Unfortunately doesnt work, I can add google account in settings after install that package, but still can't set up in dekko. Just says validating credentials and return to the configuration page, I check in my google account configuration, I di
[15:53] <ubptgbot> sable two factor authentication and enable the less secure login, but I can't access through dekko. Had to use Gmail webapp.
 @LGeek [Unfortunately doesnt work, I can add google account in settings after install th …], Hmmm... Gmail on Dekko2 works for me  (Meizu Pro 5, RC) but I added my account a while ago
 @TotalSonic [Hmmm... Gmail on Dekko2 works for me  (Meizu Pro 5, RC) but I added my account a …], Yes, it worked couple of months ago, but i had to reinstall the system and now i cant access
 @kisekinopureya [i just noticed "i" character doesnt work on pyhsical keyboards, laptop and redmi …], have you tried a different physical keyboard to be sure?
 Hi everyone, does Libertine support GUI as of now?
 Yes, on devices that are not the PinePhone and PineTab.
 Though the existing support can be unreliable.
 Ah, I'm using PinePhone so I should probably wait
 Is support coming *someday*?
 Yes, but the solutions aren't always straightforward. It might be a while.
 on PinePhone, you can likely use XWayland with some extra branches
 Marius got far with it but didn't finish to be merged
 Thanks. Also, I found a lot of ko-kr translation is missing as of now, and is there a way I can contrib some translation stuff?
 http://docs.ubports.com/ro/latest/contribute/translations.html
 Like, a link to the translation repository would be awesome
 Thanks!
 Every time I would like to help for translation I found out the Italian is already fully translated 🙈
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/cwcE16X0.png
 The purpose of a Ubuntu phone
 You really love Undertale 😅
 @Shakendo [have you tried a different physical keyboard to be sure?], Yes, i tried on 2 different keyboard (+1 laptop's integrated keyboard)
 @ScardracS [You really love Undertale 😅], absolutely
 @Sanath [Is anyone working on it ?I would love to help.Many of the us may not have  Ubunt …], there's an live iso, you may want to test, tho it's mostly the desktop enviroment iirc
 @Zuhaitz [I need too my bank  .apk software for android, very usefull, it is posible via w …], it is possible via phone as well, look up whatsweb
 @Fuseteam [it is possible via phone as well, look up whatsweb], you still need an android phone running whatsapp to use that, and also still won't get notifications and no camera support
 yes buut they have stated they are fine with web support, whatsapp web doesn't support camera anyway
 i also recently realized whatsapp has google drive integrated into it, so without that cloud backups would be broken on ut if they ever did try and port it
 [Edit] i also recently realized whatsapp has google drive integrated into it, so without that cloud backups would be broken on ut if the company ever does port it
 @Fuseteam [yes buut they have stated they are fine with web support, whatsapp web doesn't s …], i don't think that's exactly what was said. anyway, it was from IRC, so are they even still around?
 yeah good point
 @Heartade [Thanks. Also, I found a lot of ko-kr translation is missing as of now, and is th …], Trying to translate some of strings in Lomiri, am I supposed to only use Weblate or can I contribute with Github?
 weblate is the way iirc
 @ScardracS [Every time I would like to help for translation I found out the Italian is alrea …], I have heard some translators do have notifications set up. That might help to be the first one there the next time. 😉
 (Photo, 614x246) https://irc.ubports.com/WFPGZUYx.png
 ko translation for Unity8 is up to 96% from 50%!
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/Up0vsh0U.webp
 Can't wait to see these on my own PinePhone!
 Translations get merged back into the repos usually once a week.
 Then you will need to wait for new releases of apps or a system update while on devel.
 I guess I'll have to wait a few weeks for the translations to be integrated into an OTA update
[19:03] <ubptgbot> Connor Stewart was added by: Connor Stewart
 @LGeek [Unfortunately doesnt work, I can add google account in settings after install th …], Have you checked if Dekko set the imap and smtp servers corectly? imap.gmail.com  smtp.gmail.com ??? I was fuming to find out mine was not, was only in version gmail.com and that caused the never ending verification of the account. Have a look
[19:55] <ubptgbot>  there.
 @LGeek [Unfortunately doesnt work, I can add google account in settings after install th …], [Edit] Have you checked if Dekko set the imap and smtp servers corectly<EMAIL_ADDRESS><EMAIL_ADDRESS>??? I was fuming to find out mine was not, was only in version  @gmail.com and that caused the never ending verification of the account. Ha
[19:56] <ubptgbot> ve a look there.
 @LGeek [Unfortunately doesnt work, I can add google account in settings after install th …], [Edit] Have you checked if Dekko set the imap and smtp servers corectly? imap.gmail.com  smtp.gmail.com ??? I was fuming to find out mine was not, was only in version  gmail.com and that caused the never ending verification of the account. Hav
[19:56] <ubptgbot> e a look there.
 @LGeek [Unfortunately doesnt work, I can add google account in settings after install th …], [Edit] Have you checked if Dekko set the imap and smtp servers corectly? imap.googlemail.com  smtp.googlemail.com ??? I was fuming to find out mine was not, was only in version  gmail.com and that caused the never ending verification of the ac
[19:59] <ubptgbot> count. Have a look there.
 @LGeek [Unfortunately doesnt work, I can add google account in settings after install th …], [Edit] Have you checked if Dekko set the imap and smtp servers corectly? imap.googlemail.com  smtp.googlemail.com ??? I was fuming to find out mine was not, was only in version  gmail.com and that caused the never ending verification of the ac
[20:00] <ubptgbot> count. Have a look there. … Had to edit the post, just looked @ my Pro 5 check the settings. I'm getting a little rusty, he, he.
 @LGeek [Unfortunately doesnt work, I can add google account in settings after install th …], [Edit] Have you checked if Dekko set the imap and smtp servers corectly? imap.googlemail.com  smtp.googlemail.com ??? I was fuming to find out mine was not, was only in version  gmail.com and that caused the never ending verification of the ac
[20:02] <ubptgbot> count.  … Also try set the encryption to Force encryption/SSL/TLS   and Authentication to LOGIN. Have a look there. … Had to edit the post, just looked @ my Pro 5 check the settings. I'm getting a little rusty, he, he.
 @Stefano0101 [Have you checked if Dekko set the imap and smtp servers corectly? imap.googlemai …], Yep, i have exactly the same configuration, still cant login :/ weird.
 Finally! i had to deactivate and activate "Less secure app access" in my Google ccount settings and now i can login with Dekko
 Thans for the help
 @LGeek [Yep, i have exactly the same configuration, still cant login :/ weird.], Try to remove the Dekko with UT Tweak tool, select to delete config, cache and data first, then remove the app itself. Reboot and reinstall Dekko.
 [Edit] Thanks for the help
 @LGeek [Finally! i had to deactivate and activate "Less secure app access" in my Google …], Mine is deactivated at the moment and it works just fine. But, since you sort it, it's all good now.
 @Fuseteam [i also recently realized whatsapp has google drive integrated into it, so withou …], I don't think WhatsApp requires drive, but just uses it for extra functionality
 @Stefano0101 [Try to remove the Dekko with UT Tweak tool, select to delete config, cache and d …], I did that before, but same result, turns out it was an error (i suppose) in my Google configuration, i turn off and turn on again the "less secure app access" in Google Settings and finally worked
 @LGeek [Thanks for the help], Not a problem, happy for you it works.
 @joeth [I don't think WhatsApp requires drive, but just uses it for extra functionality], I can confirn that, i use whatsapp in an AOSP phone, without Gapps and i can use it just fine, for delayed notifications i use MicroG and I can't use Google Drive backup option, but thats fine, i use only local backup when i needed
 I only have a little troubble searching the correct firmware for OnePlus One, every firmware i tried has little bugs like camera flash
[21:08] <ubptgbot> Joseph_RB was added by: Joseph_RB
 good evening everyone
 @Joseph_RB [good evening everyone], Good night here... It's 8 past 11 PM
 @ScardracS [Good night here... It's 8 past 11 PM], ok :) i've the same hour (France), have nice dreams
 @ScardracS [Good night here... It's 8 past 11 PM], http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html … :D
 @UniversalSuperBox [http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html … :D], that was the time of my post
 @UniversalSuperBox [http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html … :D], [Edit] that was the time of my post, maybe his message was not sent immediatly
 @UniversalSuperBox [http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html … :D], I didn't ever read that before 😅
[23:01] <ubptgbot> Gus Doofment was added by: Gus Doofment
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[23:22] <ubptgbot> <claudomiro Jonelson> Hello


[08:55] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[09:30] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[09:30]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[09:34] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[09:34] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[09:34] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[13:56] <man567> hai
[14:43]  * nlsthzn waves
[21:09] <|3o|31> Anybody have any idea why copying my data to a newly created NTFS partition on the same drive is getting me transfer rates of 4.1 MB/s?
[21:17] <highvoltage> lots of small files? lots of seeks?
[21:21] <superfly> NTFS? :-P
[22:08] <superfly> fp
[22:27] <|3o|3> highvoltage: no, lotsa movies. Strangely enough 100 Meg files seem to transfer at double the speed of 700 Meg files
[22:29] <|3o|3> but even then its still 3 times slow than copying on the ext4 partition
[22:30] <tumbleweed> usb?
[22:30] <tumbleweed> disk mostly full?


[05:54] <RAOF> Hey, would anyone have any objection to putting an event_time member in the MirEvent union?
[06:09] <racarr> RAOF: I tried to think of reasons to object and cant
[06:28] <duflu> RAOF: I have wanted that myself too. Just feared the necessary client ABI break. Maybe first thing next cycle?
[06:29] <duflu> Although we're still at a point where breaking the client ABI isn't a huge deal
[06:31] <RAOF> duflu: I'll queue it up; I'd like it for some testings.
[06:58] <duflu> Votes wanted: https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/mir/frontend-server/+merge/207602
[07:14] <RAOF> duflu: Given that we agree that the code itself is bad, is renaming it worthwhile?
[07:14] <duflu> RAOF: Yes I think so. Less bad :)
[07:14] <RAOF> That's my 2¢; it's after 6 here, so tootleooo!
[07:14] <duflu> RAOF: Night
[10:26] <alan_g> anpok: has you "Needs Information" been answered? https://code.launchpad.net/~alan-griffiths/mir/introducing-SurfaceObserver/+merge/213431
[10:34] <anpok> not really, but looking at the question it is not something that we can answer now..
[10:35] <anpok> users will tell us
[10:44] <anpok> alf__: final opinions on https://code.launchpad.net/~andreas-pokorny/mir/no-initial-display-configuration-sent-to-hosting-server/+merge/213126?
[10:47] <alf__> anpok: I think creating the surfaces with the changed configuration is problematic
[10:47] <alf__> anpok: without applying the configuration
[10:49] <alf__> anpok: for example, what if the changed configuration says two outputs, but the host configuration is a single output, or outputs of different sizes etc?
[10:54] <alan_g> alf__: there are already problems in that area. Try running a host as sidebyside and a nested render_surfaces with the defaults
[10:56]  * alf__ tries
[10:58] <anpok> hm tried the new greeter without applying the policy
[10:58] <anpok> it still works
[10:58] <anpok> it also seems to still get a transparent surface
[11:01] <alf__> anpok: is this on android?
[11:02] <anpok> yes
[11:02] <alf__> anpok: it could be that the host configuration pixel format is RGBA (instead of RGBX)?
[11:03] <anpok> ah yes the first (default) one it is..
[11:07] <alf__> anpok: alan_g: I think that since we are not using the initial display configuration for nested any more, we should change to use other information. For example a bool prefer_translucent_formats?
[11:09] <alan_g> alf__, anpok: I don't know the "right" answer - we have a design choice as to how the control (and any negotiation) splits between the host and nested systems.
[11:12] <anpok> we could also look at the other side - should focus changes apply the complete configuration?
[11:14] <alf__> anpok: alan_g: My understanding is that we have made the decision that the nested server won't touch the host configuration by default. This also means that we need to keep it in sync with it.
[11:14] <anpok> alf__: what if the nested seat only wants to use a single diplay, while the other display should be reserved for another user?
[11:15] <alan_g> My understanding is that we have made the decision that the nested server won't touch the host configuration *on startup*
[11:15] <anpok> but it is still alowed to make changes to that configuration
[11:15] <alf__> alan_g: anpok: right, on startup, that's what I actually meant
[11:15] <anpok> i.e. we want full screen applications run with different modes?
[11:15] <anpok> ok
[11:15] <anpok> and that I consider to be only a band aid
[11:16] <anpok> short lived..
[11:16] <anpok> because this discussion will take a few roundtrips and will lead to some rework..
[11:16] <anpok> i assume
[11:16] <alf__> anpok: band aid == proposed MP?
[11:16] <anpok> yes
[11:17] <anpok> just what split greeter needs for now
[11:17] <alf__> anpok: alan_g: I am just worried that we are pushed into a lot of band aid solutions lately, and gathering tenchnical debt.
[11:18] <alan_g> alf__: agreed. (Although I'm trying to fix the Surfaces debt ATM)
[11:19] <alan_g> anpok: are you able to drive a discussion about nesting and display configuration? E.g. Write down some key scenarios?
[11:20] <anpok> ok
[11:21] <alan_g> In that case, how about circulating those and scheduling a hangout?
[11:22] <alan_g> alf__: We ought to start putting debt items where we (and especially kgunn) will be reminded of them. I know some are in the bugs.
[11:23] <anpok> alan_g: google drive document?
[11:23] <alf__> alan_g: anpok: [technical-debt] bug tag?
[11:23] <anpok> for the scenarios to discuss..
[11:25] <alan_g> Whatever works
[11:26] <anpok> alf__: so yes both ways turn out to provide a transparent surface format, so no need to call initial policy inside that (temporary) fix
[11:26] <alf__> anpok: both ways?
[11:28] <anpok> yes, with and without applying the initial policy in the greeter and unity8 nested shells
[11:31] <alf__> anpok: that will not work on mesa though, because it uses an rgbx format for the host server
[11:53] <anpok> cannot test, thought the array of supported formats might also be led by a transparent format..
[12:02] <kgunn> greyback: alf__ got to thinking in my slumber...it might not matter what mir does wrt egl, since qt is interfacing directly, we can effect the u-s-c
[12:03] <kgunn> but i don't even think we'll be able to effect the session compositor
[12:03] <kgunn> esp with our effort to plug in qt sg
[12:03] <anpok> alf__: you are right
[12:04] <greyback> kgunn: you lost me. Can you rephrase please?
[12:07] <kgunn> greyback: egl is a hw vendor specific implementation (unfortunately eglswapbuffers is up for interpretation)
[12:07] <kgunn> so whomever is interfacing with egl directly can be effected by those choices, and blocking might be occuring anyway
[12:08] <kgunn> or "other errors"....context lost could be one
[12:08] <greyback> kgunn: I see what you mean
[12:09] <kgunn> greyback: i was thinking mir could arbitrate for qt, but that's only really true for the compositor...not the the apps
[12:09] <kgunn> right ?
[12:09] <kgunn> and even the compositor...we're looking at using qt sg
[12:13] <anpok> i thought we can decide about the behavior of eglswapbuffers in every system mir will be shipped?
[12:14] <kgunn> anpok: we can decide as long as we're the ones dealing with swapbuffers, but if the app is native (which think of toolkits as native gl apps)..they're dealing with egl directly
[12:15] <greyback> I guess there's no way to prevent that
[12:16] <alf__> kgunn: We are implementing the EGL platform though, so we do have at least some control of what's happening, although perhaps not full control.
[12:16] <kgunn> alf__: the egl platform, but not the egl driver per se
[12:16] <kgunn> right ?
[12:16] <greyback> and since it is vendor specific, there's little we can do other than document that we recommend people use Mir's client API, which does what we want
[12:17] <kgunn> alf__: anpok greyback happy to be proven wrong...
[12:18] <kgunn> morning duties, bbiab
[16:06] <dandrader> should I feel bad about casting a shell::Surface to a scene::Surface?
[16:07] <alan_g> dandrader: maybe
[16:07] <dandrader> on the QPA, MirSurfaceItem has a shell::Surface and it uses the shell:Surface::lock_compositor_buffer()  hack
[16:07] <alan_g> The usual rule is that "if you destroy type information you can restore it".
[16:08] <dandrader> but that hack is to be removed in favor of the new scene::Renderable::buffer
[16:09] <dandrader> which is implemented only by scene::Surface
[16:09] <alan_g> I think it would probably be better to have a scene::Surface in the first instance
[16:09] <alan_g> But I've not looked at what that involves
[16:09] <dandrader> the qt compositor QPA is getting surfaces from shell::SessionListener::surface_created
[16:10] <dandrader> which gives shell surfaces, not scene surfaces
[16:10] <dandrader> naturally
[16:10] <alan_g> dandrader: yeah, that hasn't been fixed (yet)
[16:11] <alan_g> I'm still fixing scene::Surface et al. scene::Session comes next
[16:11] <dandrader> alan_g,  hmmm, so in the meantime I can just do the cast from shell::Surface to scene::Surface because later mir interfaces will change in a way that I won't have to do it anymore?
[16:12] <alan_g> dandrader: there ought to be a scene::Session and a scene::SessionObserver and we'll obsolete the shell stuff
[16:12] <dandrader> alan_g, ok, sound good
[16:12] <alan_g> At least that's the current "vision"
[16:13] <alan_g> *that shell stuff (there's still a role for shell)
[19:10] <dansuf> Hello once again. I still have got this error in mir that it fails to bind buffer to texture and also in logcat W/Adreno200-EGL( 1576): <qeglDrvAPI_eglCreateImageKHR:4526>: EGL_BAD_PARAMETER
[19:11] <dansuf> Is there any possibility to see more exactly what is the problem?
[19:13] <dansuf> Surfaceflinger also doesn't work so it may be also something device-specific, but I still don't know what.
[19:40] <kgunn> dansuf: judging from this...
[19:41] <kgunn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mir/+bug/1272041
[19:41] <kgunn> most likely a color buffer mismatch ?
[19:41] <dansuf> kgunn: i don't have this unsupported buffer format line
[19:43] <kgunn> AlbertA: ok..so, i'm a little confused...
[19:43] <AlbertA> kgunn: ?
[19:44] <kgunn> so looking at qtubuntu...i 1/2 expected to find some code
[19:44] <kgunn> that said something like qt->mir.swap_buffers, that would in turn call the eglSwapBuffers....
[19:44] <kgunn> but instead...i only find
[19:45] <kgunn> qtubuntu/src/platforms/base/context.cc
[19:45] <kgunn> calling it direct...
[19:45] <kgunn> am i searching wrong?
[19:45] <dansuf> kgunn: there's this bad_match like in the bug report, bad_context in eglSwapInterval and also
[19:45] <dansuf> W/Adreno200-ES20( 3349): <get_simple_queries:1360>: GL_INVALID_ENUM
[19:46] <dansuf> kgunn: this one appeared amongs other errors when running lightdm
[19:47] <AlbertA> kgunn: no I think that's expected
[19:47] <AlbertA> kgunn: because then the egl will foward the call to the native window type
[19:47] <AlbertA> kgunn: which is where the mir platform will get hooked on
[19:47] <kgunn> dansuf: so in all this instance are you using the mir qt plugin ?
[19:49] <dansuf> kgunn: I'm not sure but if you mean if the variable QT_QPA_PLATFORM contains ubuntumirclient then yes
[19:54] <kgunn> dansuf: can you share your exact device name once more ? i recal you said Sony....but model #?
[19:55] <dansuf> kgunn: live with walkman, a'ka coconut
[19:55] <dansuf> kgunn: but I'm not using official cyanogenmod repos as they dropped support for the device
[19:58] <kgunn> dansuf: so where do you get your gpu drivers from ?
[19:58] <dansuf> kgunn: I got gpu drivers from adreno's site
[19:59] <kgunn> dansuf: so binary i assume ? your not building from source?
[19:59] <dansuf> kgunn: generally, w-flo who ported desire z also did an update of his drivers and in a commit wrote it helped him with some issues
[19:59] <dansuf> kgunn: yes, a binary
[20:00] <kgunn> dansuf: so this is only a guess...but you might be careful of binaries compiled on differing kernel & android versions vs what you have...e.g. do you know which android version those were compiled against ?
[20:01] <dandrader> Have you guys seems this error before? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7191321/ this is a symbol from libboost_program_options.so.
[20:01] <kgunn> AlbertA: so even tho it looks like qtubuntu calls eglSwapBuffers directly...this call actually gets rerouted ? (i don't see how)
[20:02] <AlbertA> kgunn: right because mir is the one providing the egl native display
[20:02] <dandrader> so it seems libmirplatformgraphics.so should have a depencendy on it but ldd says there's none..
[20:04] <dansuf> kgunn: adreno says its for Android 4.2 Jelly Bean MR1 and also in logcat there's some info that suggests it was compiled for mako
[20:05] <dansuf> kgunn: and before w-flo updated his drivers he needed to make changes in mir's source to make it working
[20:05] <kgunn> dansuf: hmmm sounds fishy (no pun intended :)
[20:06] <kgunn> dandrader: are you changing mir config? or is it bombing out even on the default ?
[20:08] <dandrader> kgunn, you mean the DefaultServerConfiguration class?
[20:10] <kgunn> gotta run...
[20:10] <kgunn> kdub: ^ can you assist dandrader
[20:11] <kdub> you mean dansuf?
[20:11] <kgunn> kdub: dandrader
[20:11] <kgunn> dansuf: i think we're on to android 4.4.2...dunno if that might be an issue
[20:11] <kdub> okay :) lets see
[20:12] <dansuf> kgunn: we're on cm10.1 which i believe is 4.2
[20:12] <dansuf> kgunn: 4.4 is kitkat, the newest
[20:12] <kdub> dandrader, there was a MP that added a boost dependency to mirplatform graphics
[20:13] <dandrader> kdub, still under review?
[20:13] <dansuf> kgunn: anyway, thank you
[20:14] <kdub> dandrader, merged yesterday
[20:14] <kdub> to devel
[20:14] <dandrader> hmm
[20:14]  * dandrader checks
[20:14] <dandrader> because I just rebased my stuff on top of latest devel...
[20:14] <kdub> dandrader, although, that looks more like a build time problem that was being averted
[20:15] <kdub> yours looks a bit different
[20:19] <kdub> dandrader, but I don't see the packages listing program-options as a dependency though too
[20:20] <kdub> dandrader, does installing program-options fix the error?
[20:21] <dandrader> kdub, no it was already installed. I'm now trying this http://paste.ubuntu.com/7191409/
[20:21] <dandrader> kdub, but I have  a feeling I might have messed up my installation somehow....
[20:23] <dandrader> because the problem only happens when running unity8. mir examples work fine....
[20:23] <kdub> dandrader, i'll see if I can reproduce the problem today
[21:03] <racarr> dandrader: I ran in to this
[21:03] <racarr> I worked around it by LD_PRELOADING libmirserver
[21:03] <racarr> becuase it wasnt ust boost option stuf (LD PRELOADING boost options give
[21:04] <racarr> other errors)
[21:04] <racarr> hoping the
[21:04] <racarr> inflight MP would fix it
[21:04] <racarr> I cant figure out what caused it to happen though so dont really understand
[21:05] <racarr> maybe libmirplatform graphics needs to be explicitly linked against libmirserver...I dont think it is? but since we load it dynamically its been fine
[21:05] <racarr> and that stopped working because <some explanation goes here>
[21:05] <dandrader> racarr, true. After I added boost options I get miroptions missing symbols. after I also add miroptions I get missing _ZN3mir21default_server_socketE and so on
[21:06] <dandrader> will try your workaround now
[21:06] <racarr> I cant remember in the end if I ended up LD_PRELOADING libmirserver or linking in CMake but either should work
[21:06] <dandrader> racarr, yeah LD_PRELOADING libmirserver works!
[21:08] <racarr> dandrader: Ok ill send an email to the list or make an MP or something in ust a few thanks.
[21:09] <racarr> I originally thought maybe it was ust an isolated issue on my phone
[21:09] <racarr> because of something dumb I did :p
[21:09] <racarr> about 9/10 times its that.
[21:11] <racarr> 17 conflicts encountered.
[21:11] <racarr> ...lovely
[21:16] <kdub> I'll look into that program options today, getting my stuff out the door
[21:55] <kdub> dandrader, racarr is there a bug about that program options stuff? (if not, ill file one)
[21:56] <dandrader> kdub, not that I'm aware of
[21:56] <kdub> okay, i'll file
[22:01] <dandrader> kdub, thanks!
[22:01] <kdub> no problem
[22:30] <kdub> hey racarr, if you can still repro that symbol problem, I posted a fix here https://code.launchpad.net/~kdub/mir/fix-1301040/+merge/213739
[22:31] <racarr> kdub: Not sure if I can reproduce it still...will check in a sec...should be able to
[22:31] <racarr> I dont think that will fix it though because
[22:31] <racarr> if you LD_PRELOAD boost options
[22:31] <racarr> you then go on to get missing symbols in mir options
[22:31] <racarr> i you link mir options as well
[22:32] <racarr> you go on to get missing symbols in default server conf
[22:57] <kdub> racarr, ack, i'll keep seeing if i can get a build


[07:01] <dholbach> good morning
[14:02] <RawChid> Hello, the tutorial http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/app-developer-cookbook/unity/creating-a-wikipedia-unity-lens/ doesn't work (anymore?)
[14:02] <RawChid> The first command 'quickly create unity-lens wikipedia' fails. I think that unity-lens is not available?
[14:04] <RawChid> "ERROR: No template specified for command create"
[14:04] <dholbach> RawChid, do you have quickly-unity-lens-template installed?
[14:04] <dholbach> (the package)
[14:06] <RawChid> dholbach: thnx. Ubuntu Software Centre said it was installed (clicked via the link on te website). But doing it manually with apt-get  did installed it
[14:06] <RawChid> Solved :)
[14:06] <dholbach> which link was that?
[14:07] <dholbach> RawChid, did you click both on the quickly and the quickly-unity-lens-template links?
[14:07] <RawChid> http://apt.ubuntu.com/p/quickly-unity-lens-template  (the problem is on my side)
[14:07] <dholbach> hum, it should have worked if you clicked both links
[14:07] <dholbach> in any case it's good to know it works now :)
[14:07] <RawChid> Yes, but the first time it couldn't finish the installation, think that was the problem.. my bad
[14:07] <dholbach> ahhhh ok
[14:27] <dpm> RawChid, glad you sorted it out. Let us know if you've got any feedback on the tutorial
[16:01] <patc> hi! How can I have a bash script open up a graphical popup or window to ask for password or return results of a query?
[16:03] <tsimpson> use zenity, kdialog, or (at a pinch) xmessage
[16:04] <patc> tsimpson: thank you I'll try this
[16:04] <patc> but have no idea howto ;)
[16:05] <patc> any example or recommandation of good website to parse looking for such things?
[16:08] <tsimpson> patc: not really, but look at the manpages for each http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/en/man1/zenity.1.html http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/en/man1/kdialog.1.html http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/precise/en/man1/xmessage.1.html
[16:09] <tsimpson> they don't share the same commands/options, so you need to detect which to use and what options to use at run-time
[16:11] <patc> I see. I think I have to investigate this more in details as I'm no dev expert
[16:11] <patc> thanks :)
[16:11] <tsimpson> no problem :)


[02:45] <james0r> installed gnome over xubuntu, most things running well. i'm noticing in the app search feature it pulls up all xscreensavers
[02:45] <james0r> is there a way to limit the scope of what that displays?
[02:46] <james0r> sorry for my layman's terms. pretty new to gnome shell
[02:48] <james0r> also, minor issue, but it pushes my filters on the bottom off the screen --> http://ibin.co/1c4V8J8wZy4t
[04:06] <arturtr> Hello! Can anybody help me to solve this ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1320197
[04:40] <darkxst> arturtr, those programs are probably missing .desktop files
[04:40] <darkxst> (or have invalid .desktop files)
[04:40] <darkxst> Anyway they are not from the archive, so you should file bug wherever you got them from
[04:46] <darkxst> oh you mean the resolution
[04:48] <arturtr> I have not installed this programs. As I now
[04:48] <arturtr> Problem is in big sizes of icons
[04:49] <darkxst> arturtr, only in the applications view?
[04:49] <arturtr> yes. in all apps tab
[04:50] <darkxst> arturtr, or is the search overview also messed up?
[04:51] <darkxst> also you gnome-session-GNOME.log on the bug is 500MB, can you delete it (~/.cache/upstart/gnome-session-GNOME.log restart session to make a new one
[04:52] <darkxst> arturtr, also add the output of `xrandr -q` to the bug
[04:54] <arturtr> search overview also with wrong app icons
[04:54] <arturtr> added xrandr to bug
[04:58] <arturtr> done with ~/.cache/upstart/gnome-session-GNOME.log
[05:00] <arturtr> I remove old file and restart gnome with alt+f2 r then attach new log file
[05:02] <darkxst> is 1366x768 the real resolution of your screen?
[05:02] <arturtr> yes
[05:03] <darkxst> are you using any extensions?
[05:05] <arturtr> yes. hamster indicator support and appindicator support
[05:05] <darkxst> try disable the extensions
[05:06] <darkxst> make sure you are using Adwaita theme (gnome) theme
[05:07] <darkxst> then make a new gnome-session-log
[05:09] <arturtr> done http://paste.ubuntu.com/8463581/
[05:11] <arturtr> I use dafault GNOME theme Adwaita
[05:20] <darkxst> artur_trofimov, not to sure what is causing it, looks like mutter is getting you resolution wrong, but xrandr says that its right
[05:21] <darkxst> I suppose you could test with a new user, just in case you have some messed up dconf settings?
[05:23] <arturtr> ok. i'll try make new user
[05:23] <arturtr> thank you
[05:30] <arturtr> with new user I have the same problem
[05:31] <mgedmin> curious
[05:31] <mgedmin> I wonder, can you poke around with Alt-F2 lg in the app grid?
[05:32] <arturtr> I you tell me how - I can :)
[05:33] <mgedmin> you press Alt-F2, type "lg" (it stands for 'looking glass') and press Enter ;)
[05:34] <mgedmin> then you get this internal debug window with an eye-dropper tool in the top-left corner where you can click on gnome-shell screen objects
[05:34] <mgedmin> and inspect their various properties
[05:34] <mgedmin> unfortunately I'm not familiar with the app grid and don't know what properties there are that may be useful to inspect
[05:37] <arturtr> I think than I have problem with StcrollView.all-apps
[05:37] <arturtr> * StScrollView.all-apps
[05:38] <mgedmin> BTW gnome-shell developers are all in #gnome-shell on irc.gnome.org
[05:39] <arturtr> Oh thank you
[05:39] <arturtr> I'll ask there. Good luck
[08:40] <ricotz> darkxst, hi, i assume when the webkit build is finished it won't be possible to directly upload new packages to the staging ppa due space limitations, this should resolve itself when the saucy package are getting really deleted
[08:49] <darkxst> ricotz, ok
[08:50] <darkxst> I am going to take a look at gdm update a bit later
[08:52] <darkxst> (if I don't get tied up with gnome-desktop transition)
[08:56] <Noskcaj> darkxst, What package should the UIFe be against
[08:56] <darkxst> Noskcaj, I suppose ubuntu-gnome-meta, since the seeds themselves dont actually have a package
[11:12] <artur_trofimov> Hello! Can anybody help me to solve this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/+bug/1320197 ?
[11:13] <artur_trofimov> I tried to ask in gnome-shell room on irc.gnome.org but nobody replyed me
[11:14] <darkxst> artur_trofimov, most gnome-shell devs will be sleeping now ;0
[11:14] <artur_trofimov> which time is good for asking?
[11:17] <darkxst> artur_trofimov, no idea, I gave up on timezones ages ago ;)
[11:44] <yecril71pl> Hello, what do I need to have nautilus run over ssh?
[11:48] <fleetfox> yecril71pl: just enter ssh:// into address bar
[11:49] <yecril71pl> I want nautilus to run under ssh channel, not to display contents via ssh.
[11:49] <yecril71pl> I can open nautilus under ssh all right but the trouble is it refuses to display the trash.
[11:51] <fleetfox> oh
[11:51] <darkxst> yecril71pl, assuming an X-forwarded ssh app has access to the dbus session on the host, it might work, but you may need to set dbus variables
[11:52] <yecril71pl> So the answer is { dbus-launch nautilus; } thanks a lot!
[11:53] <darkxst> yecril71pl, probably not, that will give it a dummy dbus interface
[11:53]  * yecril71pl can see the trash now
[12:30] <LinDol> hi all
[21:20] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Should we sync meld 3.12?
[21:20] <darkxst> yes
[21:21] <Noskcaj> Do you have sync rights for it?
[23:09] <darkxst> Noskcaj, I should, but for some reason it never got added to desktop-extra
[23:10] <darkxst> so no


[21:57] <a7x> hi, just installed a new nvme device on two different PCs (same drive model, same pc model), one of them was much slower than the other and after a few hours of test I noticed the following information spammed in dmesg " nvme nvme0: I/O 284 (I/O Cmd) QID 4 timeout, aborting" "nvme nvme0: I/O 284 QID 4 timeout, reset controller" "nvme nvme0: 8/0/0 default/read/poll queues"
[21:58] <a7x> I tried setting default_ps_max_latency_us to 0 (cat /sys/module/nvme_core/parameters/default_ps_max_latency_us
[21:58] <a7x> 0
[21:58] <a7x>  -> 0) but this didn't fix the issue
[21:59] <a7x> well, the fun thing is that I did the same change on both PCs and now both of them show the same dmesg error
[22:29] <tomreyn> a7x: which device is it? have you looked for firmware updates for the nvme? have you looked for firmware updates for the mainboards? are both computers the same? which pci lanes have you connected them to (the same, if same board)?
[22:29] <tomreyn> also which ubuntu version and kernel version are you using.
[22:37] <a7x> the device is an nvme with phison controller, I am going to look for updates. There is an update for the system I will do it now. Both PC are identical, there is only 1 nvme m2 slot. Kernel: h6.2.0-39-generic, Ubuntu 23.04
[22:41] <a7x> according to the producer websites there are no updates, but the only way to be certain is to install their proprietary software on Windows


[09:12]  * Tanvir pokes tarunno
[09:12] <tarunno> Tanvir, ki hoise?
[09:13] <Tanvir> কিছু হয় নাই, খোচা দিলাম আর কি।
[09:13] <tarunno> ক্যান? খুচান ক্যান?
[09:13] <tarunno> খুচা দেয়া ভালা না
[09:13] <Tanvir> শাবাব ভাই, আপনি কোন ক্লায়েন্ট ইউজ করতেছেন?
[09:13] <tarunno> আল্লাহ গুনাহ দিবে
[09:13] <tarunno> xchat
[09:13] <Tanvir> আপনারে দেখলাম তাই খোচা দিলাম। আইআরসিতে খোচা মারন একটা ট্র্যাডিশন।
[09:14] <Tanvir> এখানে সবাই সবাইরে কারণ বিনা খোচায়।
[09:14] <Tanvir> শাবাব ভাই, আমাদের তিনটা চ্যানেলরে বুকমার্ক কইরা নেন। আপনে যখন আসেন, তবে থাকেন।
[09:14] <Tanvir> #wikimedia-bd ; #wikipedia-bn ; #cvn-bn-scan
[09:14] <tarunno> কি চ্যানেল?
[09:15] <Tanvir> লিস্ট দিলাম উপ্রে।
[09:15] <tarunno> cvn টা আবার কি?
[09:15] <Tanvir> কাউন্টার ভ্যান্ডালিজক নেটওয়ার্ক।
[09:15] <Tanvir> এই চ্যানেলে সকল বাংলা উইকিপিডিয়ার পরিবর্তনগুলো বট দ্বারা রিফুটিত হয়।
[09:16] <Tanvir> সেই রিফুট দেখে আমরা ভ্যান্ডালিজম ট্র্যাক করতে পারি।
[09:17] <Tanvir> আপনি ঢোকেন আপনারে আমি দেখাই রিপোর্টি। কিছুক্ষণ থাকলে অবশ্য এমনেই দেখতে পাবেন।
[09:52] <tuhin> hi all
[09:55] <tuhin> hi tarunno
[09:55] <tarunno> hello
[09:56] <tuhin> i think i saw u in projanmo forum
[09:57] <tuhin> 1st time trying to talk to someone in this channel
[09:58] <tuhin> i am having problem to type some words in Avro keyboard
[09:58] <tarunno> I see!
[09:58] <tarunno> what problem?
[09:59] <tuhin> how to type  some combination of words?
[09:59] <tuhin> is there any example page anywhere?
[09:59] <tuhin> too many words actually
[09:59] <Tanvir> Avro phonetic tuhin?
[09:59] <tuhin> yes
[10:00] <tuhin> hi tanvir
[10:00] <tuhin> where are u 2 from ? Dhaka?
[10:00] <Tanvir> There are documentation on Omicron's site I think.
[10:00] <Tanvir> tuhin, hello, and yes, we both from Dhaka.
[10:00] <tuhin> i couldnt find any for linux
[10:00] <tuhin> using ubuntu10.10 based Mint10
[10:01] <Tanvir> I don't use Avro, but I think, phonetic key layout is same for Linux and Windows.
[10:01] <tuhin> windows have click to type system
[10:01] <tuhin> its easy to type evthing in windows
[10:01] <tuhin> but linux have no click to type....
[10:03] <Tanvir> Mm. Sorry tuhin, my knowledge is very limited about this, I hope tarunno will succeed. :)
[10:03] <tuhin> so its hard to type by guessing
[10:03] <tuhin> thanks for trying Tanvir
[10:03] <Tanvir> :)
[10:03] <tuhin> which area in dhaka u 2 live?
[10:04] <tuhin> I am from Khilgao
[10:05] <tuhin> i see people with T as starting alphabet in name comes and talks here :)
[10:06] <tarunno> tuhin, can you please specify what kind of problem are you facing
[10:06] <tuhin> like trying to type  "Joggo bakti"
[10:07] <tuhin> bakti is easy but joggo is not
[10:09] <tuhin> i have tried and succeeded in typing some other words ... but frequently get stuck somewhere
[10:10] <tuhin> so i need a example which tell abt all hard words/aphabets
[10:11] <tarunno> you need to try to feel the phonetic while you are tying
[10:11] <tarunno> typing
[10:11] <tarunno> j is more similar to জ
[10:11] <tuhin> yes thats ho i did so far
[10:11] <tuhin> i tried both j and z
[10:11] <tarunno> while Z is for য
[10:11] <tuhin> did u succeed typing joggo?
[10:12] <tuhin> i typed Jo fine  ts the later part whcih is hard
[10:12] <tarunno> like যোগ্য ব্যক্তি?
[10:12] <tuhin> JO   ggo
[10:12] <tuhin> yes
[10:12] <tarunno> yes I do
[10:12] <tuhin> how did u type joggo?
[10:13] <tuhin> tell me the key combination
[10:19] <tarunno> oh, I am sorry
[10:19] <tarunno> actually I am in office now
[10:19] <tarunno> can't concentrate well
[10:19] <tarunno> you need the combination?
[10:19] <tuhin> no problem
[10:19] <tuhin> yes
[10:20] <tuhin> having problem abt the last part of  "Joggo"
[10:32] <tarunno> tuhin, try zoggZ
[10:32] <tuhin> ok thanks
[10:34] <tuhin> zOgZ   workd
[10:34] <tuhin> its the   Z at last of zOgZ  that worked
[10:34] <tuhin> thanks for the hint tarunno
[10:45] <tuhin> how to type "khondotto" alphabet?
[10:45] <tuhin> the word is "bolboth"
[10:51] <tarunno> type tt`
[10:52] <tuhin> ok , how to type "shoyonkriyo"
[10:54] <tuhin> couldn't type bolboth
[10:59] <tarunno> swyonkriyo
[11:00] <tuhin> স্ব্যঙ্ক্রিয়  <i got this
[11:00] <tuhin> i have decided to go try in winxp now :(
[11:01] <tarunno> wait
[11:01] <tuhin> thanks a lot for helping tarunno
[11:01] <tuhin> i m here
[11:02] <tarunno> let me try to find you something
[11:02] <tuhin> will use winxp from another pc
[11:02] <tarunno> actually I use probhat in both Win and Lin
[11:03] <tuhin> xchat will be connected   i will come back after 20min (i m hungry)
[11:03] <tarunno> there is a layout help for Avro phonetic
[11:03] <tuhin> i couldnt find it
[11:03] <tarunno> sure thing
[11:03] <tuhin> provat layout doesnt match with the bijoy layout printed on my keyboard
[11:04] <tarunno> Probhat is a different layout
[11:04] <tuhin> yes i saw it in keyboard setting
[11:18] <tarunno> http://anupplanet.com/u/i/images/avroponeti.png
[11:18] <tarunno> here
[11:51] <tuhin> thanks tarunno . did u upload that for me?
[11:51] <tarunno> not me
[11:51] <tarunno> requested someone and he did
[11:52] <tuhin> thanks a lot
[11:52] <tarunno> what's you Email ID?
[11:52] <tuhin> whom did u request and where?
[11:52] <tuhin><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[11:53] <tarunno> it was a personal request
[11:53] <tuhin> what is ur email?
[11:53] <tarunno> please check your mail
[11:53] <tuhin> where ?
[11:53] <tuhin> where u posted the PM?
[11:55] <tarunno> it's not a PM
[11:55] <tarunno> it was a IM request
[11:55] <tarunno> personal thing
[11:56] <tarunno> for help you can go http://omicronlab.com/community
[11:56] <tuhin> ic
[11:56] <tarunno> my bad
[11:57] <tarunno> it should be http://www.omicronlab.com/forum
[11:59] <tuhin> i searched there but didn't see this kind of layout pic
[11:59] <tuhin> is that ur email id u sent from ? or ur friend?
[12:00] <tarunno> mine
[12:04] <tuhin> which linux u r using ?
[12:05] <tuhin> I am using Linux Mint 10 Gnome (Ubuntu 10.10 based )
[12:06] <tarunno> lucid
[12:06] <tuhin> 9.10 ?
[12:06] <tuhin> i m not familier with code names :)
[12:07] <tuhin> ic lucid is 10.04 Lts
[12:12] <tarunno> yes 10.04
[12:12] <tarunno> ok, tuhin, it was nice talking to you
[12:12] <tarunno> actually I need to go now
[12:12] <tarunno> see you later
[12:13] <tuhin> ok bye
[19:02] <tarunno> hello tuhin
[19:04] <tuhin> hi tarunno  :)
[19:04] <tarunno> have you got my mail I just sent?
[19:04] <tuhin> ur pdf file and that layout pic helped a lot
[19:04] <tarunno> poke: Tanvir
[19:04] <tuhin> u sent another NOW?
[19:05] <tarunno> yes, like 10 mins bedore
[19:05] <tarunno> before*
[19:05] <Tanvir> tarunno, aye.
[19:05] <tuhin> hm , so we 3 T's r here....
[19:05] <tarunno> an updated version of the help PDF has been added to the project homepage of scim-avro
[19:06] <tuhin> yes just noticed
[19:07] <tuhin> it wasn't there before? i was looking for help in THAT page and found nothing before
[19:07] <tarunno> nope
[19:07] <tarunno> added 1 hour ago
[19:07] <tuhin> nice
[19:07] <tarunno> Tanvir, what is the command for poking ?
[19:07] <tuhin> u r part of avro team?
[19:07] <tarunno> tuhin, :)
[19:08] <Tanvir> tarunno, no command actually, just mention the nick.
[19:08] <Tanvir> Receiver will get a beep and will be poked. :P
[19:08] <Tanvir> Beep is the poke.
[19:08] <tarunno> but at noon xchat on Linux was showing Tanvir has poked you
[19:08] <tuhin> also highlited in blue+system tray flashing !!!
[19:08] <tarunno> :0
[19:09] <tuhin> so, tarunno is part of avro team?
[19:09] <Tanvir> tarunno, weired, I tired this, "/me pokes tarunno" <-- That's what poked you.
[19:10] <tarunno> tuhin, yes
[19:10] <tuhin> wow, nice, why don't the BD communities join IRC more?
[19:10]  * tarunno laughing out loud to Tanvir
[19:10] <Tanvir> Yeah, but why?
[19:11]  * tuhin pokes Tanvir
[19:11]  * Tanvir is poked
[19:11] <tuhin> hmm
[19:12]  * tuhin wonders why bangaladeshis doesn't use IRC
[19:12] <tarunno> the major problem of IRC for BD people is we talk too much
[19:12] <tuhin> lol tarunno  why u think so?
[19:13] <tarunno> I don't think so, I know so frm past exp.
[19:13] <tuhin> if we really talk too much then IRC channels should be crowded!
[19:13] <tarunno> we used to fo meetings in IRCs
[19:13] <tuhin> where was that past exp? which channel?
[19:13] <tarunno> and after 4 hrs of talking we ends up our meeting with zero decission
[19:14] <tuhin> ic
[19:14] <tarunno> which channel ?
[19:14] <tarunno> the very same channel where we taliking now
[19:14] <tarunno> :P
[19:14] <tuhin> which channel u have been wher eit was crowded with linux users?
[19:14] <tarunno> and also wikimedia-bd channel
[19:14] <tuhin> hmm
[19:14] <tarunno> but there situation were a bit diff.
[19:15] <tuhin> i also join #linuxmint-bd evtiem i open xchat
[19:15] <tarunno> thr we had one or two fruitful meetings
[19:15] <tarunno> is ayon online there?
[19:15] <tuhin> he is there sometimes
[19:16] <tuhin> i talked with him couple of time
[19:16] <tuhin> how many developers was in those fruitless meetings?
[19:16] <tuhin> were*
[19:17] <tarunno> developers?
[19:17] <tarunno> nope
[19:17] <tarunno> it was member's meeting
[19:18] <tuhin> avro members= developers of avro right?
[19:18] <tarunno> this channel is the official channel of Ubuntu Bangladesh
[19:18] <tarunno> not OmicronLab :)
[19:19] <tuhin> hmm
[19:19] <tarunno> in omicronlab we use forum or mail to discuss things
[19:19] <tuhin> there should be a single IRC for linux user in bd
[19:19] <tuhin> users*
[19:19] <tarunno> we do have
[19:20] <tuhin> this one?
[19:20] <tarunno> don't you know?
[19:20] <tarunno> #blua
[19:20] <tuhin> that channel is also empty
[19:21] <tarunno> yes
[19:21] <tuhin> when i visit these irc , i feel like there is no linux user in bd
[19:21] <tarunno> right now the linux enthusiast of BD having a lull
[19:21] <tarunno> IRC is not a popular culture here
[19:21] <tuhin> ubuntu, mint blua   all r empty
[19:22] <tuhin> btw u use linux at office too?
[19:22] <tuhin> what abt u Tanvir
[19:22] <tarunno> yes I do
[19:22] <tuhin> nice, IT related job?
[19:22] <Tanvir> tuhin, I am in Ubuntu 10.10.
[19:22] <tarunno> and right now I am using Win7 :P
[19:23] <tuhin> hmm i m from Mint10 Gnome
[19:23] <tarunno> had a gift from one of my friend
[19:23] <tuhin> Mint is the best :)
[19:23] <tarunno> so, thought let's see what's in it
[19:23] <tarunno> tuhin, how many distros have you tried so far?
[19:24] <tuhin> Redhat , knoppix, puppy, kubuntu, mepis, debian, Mint10 ....
[19:24] <tarunno> Tanvir, cvn-bn-scan seems busy, is it the natural?
[19:24] <tuhin> none got my attention for long
[19:25] <tarunno> kubuntu didn't get your attention?
[19:25] <tarunno> I see!
[19:25] <Tanvir> tarunno, when more edits, more reports. :)
[19:25] <tuhin> but using Mint 10 Gnome exclusively for 4.5 month now
[19:25] <tuhin> it was long time ago kubuntu 6.10
[19:25] <Tanvir> Currently, I am editing a lot. Fixing a gadget.
[19:26] <tarunno> Tanvir, I see!
[19:26] <tuhin> what at u 2 , which distros u have used so far?
[19:26] <tarunno> tuhin, KDE came far way
[19:26] <tuhin> at-about
[19:26] <tuhin> i m not after eye candy
[19:26] <tarunno> ok
[19:26] <tuhin> i want my PC snappy=quick
[19:27] <tuhin> i use LXDE With Mint10 instead of Gnome sometimes
[19:27] <tarunno> I see!
[19:27] <tuhin> which distros u 2 have used so far?
[19:29] <tarunno> RH, Fedora, Ubuntu, Puppy, Knopixx, Open Suse, CentOS, DSL, kolibri,Mint
[19:30] <tarunno> debian
[19:30] <tarunno> and some derivatives of Ubuntu
[19:30] <tuhin> wow, i didnt use the other linux much
[19:30] <tuhin> which mint version u tried?
[19:30] <tarunno> 8, 9, 10
[19:31] <tarunno> but I am a steady Ubuntu Lucid user
[19:31] <tuhin> hmm then why use Ubuntu instead of mint?
[19:31] <tarunno> Ubuntu is my thing, that's why
[19:31] <tuhin> Mint 9 is based on Ubuntu 10.04'..
[19:31] <tarunno> yes
[19:31] <tarunno> it is
[19:31] <tuhin> i plan to use mint10 till Mint 13 LTS Comes
[19:32] <tarunno> ok
[19:33] <tuhin> why u like ubuntu more than mint?
[19:33] <tarunno> may be something like why you prefer Mint over Ubuntu ;)
[19:34] <tuhin> hmm , confusing answer
[19:35] <tarunno> ha ha ha
[19:37] <tuhin> welcome kazi  :)
[19:37]  * tarunno welcomes kazi
[19:38] <kazi> hey thank you brother
[19:38] <tuhin> i invited kazi  here from linuxmint main irc
[19:39] <tuhin> so we now have 4 "Humans" and 4 "Bots" in this irc
[19:39] <kazi> tuhin: brother you've done a great job bringing me to this channel
[19:41] <tuhin> also tarunno said #blua channel is for ALL  BD linux users
[19:44] <kazi> So how to reach #blua channel?
[19:45] <tuhin> same way u reached this one
[19:45] <tuhin> http://www.linux.org.bd  has expired it seems  :|
[19:45] <Tanvir> Good night fellows.
[19:46] <tuhin> bye Tanvir
[19:49] <tuhin> why the linux avro deb isn't updated?
[19:51] <kazi> There an accident was happened to linux.org.bd site
[19:51] <kazi> This site has been hacked by a hacker
[19:51] <tuhin> lol kazi
[19:51] <tuhin> tarunno: ^^^
[19:52] <tuhin> kazi: lets introduce u with tarunno , a brilliant patriot and programmer of Bangladesh
[19:53] <kazi> wow
[19:53] <tuhin> he is part of avro team and helped me BIG today
[19:53] <kazi> great!
[19:54] <kazi> Is he active in this channel?
[19:54] <tuhin> yes
[19:54] <tuhin> also Tanvir is active
[19:54] <tuhin> i think ALL linux users should use Single irc channel instead of  4-5 channels
[19:56] <tuhin> that way the community will be alive like linuxmint irc
[19:56] <kazi> you are absolutely right
[20:01] <tarunno> at linuxmint IRC people from all around the world joins
[20:01] <tarunno> just like right now I am in ubuntu channel
[20:01] <tarunno> ;)
[20:01] <tuhin> yes , we need single irc whre all BD linux users will join
[20:02] <tarunno> so naturally the crowd is bigge at those places
[20:02] <tuhin> yes i know, i m suggesting how to make the BD linux user community more active/alive
[20:03] <tarunno> they were alive
[20:03] <tarunno> and also active
[20:03] <tuhin> 4-5 irc channels just divides the few users ...............
[20:03] <tarunno> but some unfortunate thing happend and they got scatted again
[20:03] <tuhin> now what happened?
[20:03] <tuhin> what is that unfortunate thing?
[20:04] <tarunno> by our national nature, we cannot handle big things much
[20:04] <tarunno> that's the prob
[20:05] <tarunno> at a point we all become leaders
[20:05] <tarunno> and if we fail on that
[20:05] <tarunno> we try to destroy
[20:05] <tarunno> that is the thing happend
[20:05] <tarunno> last year we had a huge event
[20:06] <tuhin> hmm, problem/misunderstanding happened because of Linux Event?
[20:06] <tuhin> yes , bontu mintur adda
[20:06] <tarunno> biggest envnt in BD about linux
[20:06] <kazi> tarunno: Hello Sir! How are you?
[20:06] <tarunno> that event was a big hit
[20:06] <tuhin> yes i saw the pic of that event
[20:07] <tarunno> it gave the whole linux thing a huge momentum
[20:07] <tuhin> tarunno: kazi is my friend , i introduced him to this irc channel
[20:07] <tuhin> then what happened?
[20:07] <tarunno> hello kazi, how are you doing?
[20:07] <tarunno> kazi: alhamdulillah, I am doing fine
[20:08] <kazi> I'm learning linux day by day
[20:08] <kazi> Everything is fine
[20:08] <tarunno> then some leader became autocratic
[20:08] <tarunno> some became inflamous
[20:08] <kazi> I'm enjoying linux much better than before
[20:08] <tarunno> I became busy with my business
[20:09] <tarunno> and within 8-9 months we reached a place worse than the begining
[20:09] <tuhin> what the autocratic leaders did/tried to do?
[20:09] <tuhin> sounds depressing
[20:09] <tarunno> tuhin, where have you watched the pics of Bontu Mintur Adda?
[20:10] <tuhin> from linux mint community site
[20:10] <tarunno> tuhin, doing something wrong is not the problem
[20:11] <tarunno> the major problem is our behaviour after that
[20:11] <tarunno> we all are human being
[20:11] <tarunno> and we all can do mistakes
[20:11] <tuhin> yes and we should try to forgive the mistakes
[20:12] <tuhin> and they started fighting?
[20:12] <tarunno> but we have a lame and self-destructing culture of salting on imflamation
[20:12] <tuhin> আগুনে ঘি ধালা
[20:13] <tuhin> ঃ|
[20:13] <tarunno> and in reverbation of that, the man who did something wrong started defend himself
[20:13] <kazi> Linux is more smart than Windows. So, linux users are more smart than windows users
[20:13] <tarunno> even if he knows he was wrong
[20:13] <tuhin> what wrong he did?
[20:13] <tarunno> because others makes it impossible to return for him
[20:14] <kazi> It's because of one's nature
[20:14] <tarunno> I am getting sleepy
[20:15] <tarunno> it was nice talking to you guys
[20:15] <tarunno> Will meet you tomorrow
[20:15] <tarunno> goodnight
[20:15] <tuhin> ok , we will talk abt it next time
[20:15] <tuhin> bye tarunno
[20:15] <tuhin> http://www.linuxmint.com/communities.php
[20:16] <kazi> tarunno: I get to know that the forum which one is hacked was popular for partiality and politics. Is that right?
[20:17] <kazi> tuhin: Goodnight!
[20:17] <tarunno> kazi, no comment
[20:17] <tuhin> which forum kazi ? i think u told me abt it but i forgot
[20:18] <kazi> forum.http://forum.linux.org.bd
[20:18] <kazi> It's may be
[20:18] <tuhin> hmm
[20:19] <kazi> tarunno: Now I'm typing Bengali rarely
[20:20] <kazi> Because it's harder to type with Unijoy
[20:20] <kazi> I'm using Unijoy now
[20:20] <tuhin> kazi: tarunno has gone to sleep


[09:53] <Kilos> morning all, compliments of the season to you
[11:36] <Kilos> hi bigdog
[11:36] <Kilos> you got puppies too?
[11:37] <Kilos> oh its jason
[12:55] <magespawn> good afternoon all
[15:16] <Kilos> ohi magespawn
[15:17] <Kilos> sorry for taking so long
[17:29] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[17:29] <Kilos> wb
[17:30] <magespawn> net got a bit jamed up this side for some reason
[18:06] <magespawn> ty
[18:07] <magespawn> slow but then again i suppose it is christmas
[18:07] <magespawn> not you, the room in general
[18:10] <Kilos> one would expect it to  be quiet
[18:10] <magespawn> indeed
[18:10] <Kilos> oh skype and the fb chat things i spose
[18:11] <Kilos> the room has been dead all day
[18:11] <magespawn> it is almost like the people have families or something
[18:11] <Kilos> mind you i got here near lunch time anyway and slept all avy
[18:11] <Kilos> hahahaha
[18:28] <magespawn> not a bad way to spend today
[18:34] <Kilos> yeah and im gonna crash again now
[18:35] <Kilos> sleep tight magespawn . night the other lurkers too
[18:35] <magespawn> cheers Kilos
[19:21] <superfly> hi magespawn, gremble
[19:24] <gremble> Hey superfly
[19:24] <gremble> Merry Christmas
[19:24] <superfly> Thanks, to you too. Have a good day so far?
[19:24] <gremble> Yup. Family braai
[19:24] <superfly> Nice.
[19:25] <gremble> Now just relaxing at home
[19:25] <gremble> How about yourself?
[19:25] <gremble> Have you hid the whistles and drumsets and other noisemakers the children got for christmas? :P
[19:32] <superfly> gremble: urgh. one boy got a miniture accordion, and the other a xylophone. so noise. such loud. wow.
[19:34] <magespawn> hi superfly gremble
[19:34] <magespawn> Merry Christmas
[19:38] <magespawn> later all
[20:44] <gremble> Hahaha My mother threatened the family that they'll make us stay with them if they gave us noisemakers
[20:44] <gremble> so we never got any until we had to learn to play musical intruments