[20:03] <rudi> hello!
[20:03] <Red_HamsterX> Hi.
[20:04] <Daker> back
[20:04] <semioticrobotic> Hi all
[20:05] <rudi> semiotrobotic :P hello
[20:05] <rudi> *argh
[20:05] <rudi> spelt it wrong
[20:05] <semioticrobotic> i really should have chosen a better nick :)
[20:06] <Red_HamsterX> rudi, tab-completion. It helps. =P
[20:06] <semioticrobotic> in this case, better = easier to spell
[20:06] <rudi> oooh w00t, irssi has tab completion
[20:06] <rudi> thanks Red_HamsterX
[20:06] <dutchie> ofc it does
[20:07] <rudi> :( I didn't know that...
[20:07] <rudi> but now I do :D
[20:07] <nisshh> irssi is awesome!
[20:07] <nisshh> best irc client
[20:08] <rudi> nisshh: I agree
[20:08] <rudi> jaminday: w00t :)
[20:10]  * humphreybc stumbles into room
[20:10] <rudi> humphreybc: :) welcome welcome welcome
[20:10] <humphreybc> blah
[20:10] <humphreybc> i just woke up literally less than a minute ago
[20:10] <humphreybc> my alarm didn't go off for some reason
[20:11] <humphreybc> somehow i naturally instinctively knew to get up
[20:11] <rudi> humphreybc: what dedication!
[20:11] <humphreybc> who's here?
[20:11] <nisshh> hey look whos up
[20:11]  * dutchie is doing 3 things at once
[20:11] <dutchie> (as usual)
[20:11] <semioticrobotic> the project's rhythms and your circadian rhythms are merging
[20:11] <humphreybc> haha
[20:12]  * rudi raises hand
[20:12] <humphreybc> godbyk here?
[20:12]  * nisshh shakes head
[20:12] <jaminday> humphreybc: welcome - i was just having a whinge about you sleeping in !
[20:12] <humphreybc> everyone have a geez at this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Meetings
[20:12] <semioticrobotic> will be late
[20:12] <titeuf_87> he would get here later
[20:12] <Red_HamsterX> I'm here, but I'll need to go get groceries in a few minutes.
[20:12] <humphreybc> that's okay
[20:12] <Red_HamsterX> (Maybe)
[20:12] <humphreybc> k jamin could you kick the meeting off and start talking about freezes, i'll be back in a sec (need coffee)
[20:12] <humphreybc> #startmeeting
[20:12] <MootBot> Meeting started at 15:12. The chair is humphreybc.
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[20:13] <jaminday> Alright
[20:13] <humphreybc> [TOPIC] Freezes/Important dates upcoming
[20:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  Freezes/Important dates upcoming
[20:13] <jaminday> Well as everyone is aware we are almost at writing freeze
[20:13] <rudi> yep
[20:13] <jaminday> and still a bit of work to do
[20:13] <semioticrobotic> indeed
[20:13] <jaminday> humphreybc is planning to get a bunch of testers to start going over the manual
[20:14] <jaminday> and reporting bugs with our new form
[20:14]  * jaminday is trying to dig out the link
[20:14] <jaminday> man my internet is super slow for some reason this morning
[20:14] <nisshh> jaminday: how do we (as writers) know if a bug has been submitted for our chapter?
[20:14] <jaminday> i think its still asleep as well
[20:15] <jaminday> hmm good question
[20:15] <dutchie> bug mail?
[20:15] <nisshh> where does the form data go?
[20:15] <jaminday> we are still working on the form (still waiting for my net)
[20:15] <dutchie> it ends up in a google spreadsheet aiui
[20:15] <nisshh> ok, and how can we get that spreadsheet?
[20:16] <nisshh> is it on the net?
[20:16] <dutchie> somewhere ;)
[20:16] <nisshh> ok cool
[20:16] <jaminday> yep hang on a tick
[20:16] <jaminday> http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHRrYlR0Q0RMRXRTaXJuR2w0QjFUcXc6MA
[20:16] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHRrYlR0Q0RMRXRTaXJuR2w0QjFUcXc6MA
[20:17] <jaminday> So anyway, our plan is to have about 3-4 people start working through with a fine tooth comb over the next week and a bit
[20:17] <rudi> hmmm
[20:17] <jaminday> I will be one of those, and so will humphreybc
[20:17] <rudi> sounds good
[20:17] <humphreybc> okkau
[20:17] <jaminday> and here's humphreybc
[20:17] <humphreybc> so ya'll know about the plan for omgubuntu readers to test it?
[20:18] <nisshh> sort of
[20:18] <rudi> sort of too
[20:18] <rudi> not clued up on exactly how its gonna work
[20:18] <jaminday> http://spreadsheets.google.com/a/ubuntu-manual.org/ccc?key=0AiussLy2MfjjdHRrYlR0Q0RMRXRTaXJuR2w0QjFUcXc&hl=en@
[20:18] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://spreadsheets.google.com/a/ubuntu-manual.org/ccc?key=0AiussLy2MfjjdHRrYlR0Q0RMRXRTaXJuR2w0QjFUcXc&hl=en@
[20:18] <humphreybc> basically come Monday I'll write up a post on omg asking for testers, direct link will be on the blog post for them to download etc
[20:18] <jaminday> that's the spreadsheet for the form
[20:18] <humphreybc> i'll point them to the form
[20:19] <humphreybc> testing/bug reporting by them will go on for a week (22 - 29th March) and during that time we'll try to fix bugs as they are reported
[20:19] <semioticrobotic> nice ... i use Google Docs forms for a few projects, and they work quite well
[20:19] <nisshh> jaminday: is my google apps login the same as my gmail account login?
[20:19] <humphreybc> on Wednesday next week I'll give the manual to a few upstanding community members to test as well
[20:19] <humphreybc> nisshh: yup
[20:19] <semioticrobotic> nisshh: typically, yes, but not always
[20:19] <jaminday> nisshh: yeah i think so
[20:19] <nisshh> ok thanks
[20:19] <jaminday> try it anyway
[20:19] <rudi> nisshh: I would imagine so
[20:20] <reventon_> i'm editing chapter 7, when should i have final changes in by
[20:20] <jaminday> reventon_: the sooner the better
[20:20] <humphreybc> so on the 29th we'll *close* testing and that gives us two days before the 31st to fix up anything before writing freeze
[20:20] <humphreybc> the writing freeze is going to be strictly enforced, we're not going to pull a Canonical here and break it
[20:20] <dutchie> ...low
[20:20] <jaminday> everyone keep editing your chapters, but as our small team of 'supereditors' (as in superuser, not superman) comes through we will make the final call about what stays and what goes for this release
[20:20]  * semioticrobotic laughs
[20:20] <humphreybc> :)
[20:21] <humphreybc> yup
[20:21] <rudi> haha nice!
[20:21] <humphreybc> so that's cool
[20:21] <reventon_> so the 1st is the writing freeze?
[20:21] <humphreybc> 31st
[20:21] <nisshh> that google apps login requires me to have a @ubuntu-manual.org email address
[20:21] <semioticrobotic> jaminday: gotcha
[20:21] <reventon_> right
[20:21] <jaminday> reventon_: yep
[20:21] <humphreybc> 1st is when we start screenshotting like crazy people
[20:21] <dutchie> nisshh: ask godbyk-android about that
[20:21] <nisshh> ok thanks
[20:21] <humphreybc> righto
[20:21] <dutchie> I understand Quickshot is nearly ready too?
[20:22] <humphreybc> so that's that, any questions on the important dates?
[20:22] <humphreybc> Red_HamsterX: Quickshot?
[20:22] <semioticrobotic> humphreybc: all clear
[20:22] <humphreybc> (Red_HamsterX might have gone grocery shopping)
[20:22] <Red_HamsterX> titeuf_87 is more current on what's happening with Quickshot's UI stuff than I am, and that's what will need to be worked on over the next week.
[20:22] <c7p> so i guess after 1st April we won't face the problem of loss of translation, right?
[20:23] <humphreybc> Red_HamsterX: do you think it'll be functionally ready by the 1st April?
[20:23] <Red_HamsterX> Between the two of us, we have most of the process flow working. We just need to couple everything, plug a few holes, and write scripts.
[20:23] <titeuf_87> quickshot should be almost ready now to be useable to take screenshots
[20:23] <rudi> awesome
[20:23]  * humphreybc punches the air
[20:23] <jaminday> nisshh: you could at least see the form without a google apps login right
[20:23] <humphreybc> yeah!
[20:23] <humphreybc> c7p: that's correct
[20:23] <nisshh> yes, i need a google apps login to view the spreadsheet
[20:23] <nisshh> not the form
[20:23] <c7p> nice
[20:23] <humphreybc> how are we going to package Quickshot?
[20:24] <humphreybc> can we make some nice debs?
[20:24] <godbyk> Okay, I'm here.
[20:24] <humphreybc> hi Kevin
[20:24] <Red_HamsterX> By tomorrow, we should have a structure to let us start automating the process of launching apps and stuff.
[20:24] <dutchie> humphreybc: quickly does that
[20:24] <humphreybc> dutchie: oh fantastic
[20:24] <dutchie> (sort of the point of quickly really)
[20:24] <titeuf_87> quickly let us make a ppa for it so installation will be simple
[20:24] <Red_HamsterX> I can dedicate a server to the project for the rush.
[20:24] <humphreybc> fantastic
[20:24] <humphreybc> a PPA sounds like a plan
[20:24] <jaminday> godbyk: welcome
[20:24] <Red_HamsterX> (I've got 600GB/month of traffic on it, so it should be fine)
[20:24]  * semioticrobotic gapes
[20:24] <humphreybc> Red_HamsterX, titeuf_87, just whatever you need to do to get it ready and usable by the 1st April
[20:24] <Red_HamsterX> (Not my home server, which we're using for testing)
[20:25] <dutchie> Red_HamsterX: heh, that 10x my xfer allowance
[20:25] <dutchie> that's*
[20:25] <rudi> p.s the wiki is looking really slick
[20:25] <humphreybc> rudi: thanks!
[20:25]  * rudi thumbs up
[20:25] <humphreybc> okay so that's cool
[20:25]  * nisshh agrees with rudi
[20:25] <humphreybc> oh i should probably change the topic
[20:25] <nisshh> meh
[20:25] <humphreybc> [TOPIC] Screenshots
[20:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  Screenshots
[20:26] <humphreybc> Alright so Quickshot is going good
[20:26] <Red_HamsterX> Probably, yeah.
[20:26] <humphreybc> that's awesome
[20:26] <Red_HamsterX> Yep.
[20:26] <Red_HamsterX> Not usable yet, but we should be able to make the deadline with something that'll work.
[20:26] <humphreybc> godbyk, the screenshots folder in the main branch, is this just a placeholder for testing english ones?
[20:26] <godbyk> The server I'm hosting ubuntu-manual.org on allegedly has unlimited bandwidth.  Guess we could find out. :)
[20:26] <Red_HamsterX> Well, it's usable, but it's hardcoded usable.
[20:26] <Red_HamsterX> Bbreak that and we're almost done.
[20:26] <godbyk> humphreybc: yeah, I just tossed that in there to test things.
[20:26] <Red_HamsterX> Break the hardcoding, I mean.
[20:26] <humphreybc> godbyk cool
[20:27] <humphreybc> so Red_HamsterX is the plan to store screenshots on your server?
[20:27] <Red_HamsterX> godbyk, I'll write a proper setup guide/walk you through it when we're ready, then.
[20:27] <godbyk> Red_HamsterX: awesome.
[20:27] <Red_HamsterX> I'm offering it as a backup, in case we hit the deadline and have to move forward with a development server.
[20:27] <humphreybc> kk neat
[20:27] <humphreybc> so we're not hosting screenshots in an lp branch anymore?
[20:27] <godbyk> If we need to point to a different folder or organize the screenshots in another way, I can update the code to do that.
[20:27]  * dutchie suggests screenshots.ubuntu-manual.org
[20:28] <Red_HamsterX> The final screenshots will still be in Bazaar, as per ubuntujenkins' plans.
[20:28] <dutchie> CNAMEd or whatever
[20:28] <humphreybc> Red_HamsterX: cool
[20:28] <Red_HamsterX> The temporary ones will be in a world-readable HTTP location.
[20:28] <humphreybc> neat
[20:28] <Red_HamsterX> I'll create 'ubuntu-manual.uguu.ca' this week.
[20:28] <humphreybc> So from the manual side, we need to make sure we have our list ready to go with good descriptions by the 1st
[20:28] <Red_HamsterX> Since that's a much cleaner name than what we're using for development now.
[20:29] <Red_HamsterX> Yeah, the list and descriptions are critical.
[20:29] <humphreybc> okay, I think they're pretty much done
[20:29] <Red_HamsterX> Working on titeuf_87's idea, I've started designing a system to store all of that on the server and let the client pull it as needed.
[20:29]  * semioticrobotic nods
[20:29] <humphreybc> but Jamin and I will be going through and adding more detail to descriptions and cleaning stuff up as we go
[20:29] <Red_HamsterX> So we can add a last-minute screenshot easily.
[20:29] <humphreybc> Bryan, can you help Jamin and I do some heavy editing?
[20:29] <titeuf_87> ubuntujenkins had a list already, although I don't know how complete it is
[20:29] <rudi> sounds good
[20:30] <semioticrobotic> I forget -- what's our filesize limit?
[20:30] <humphreybc> for the manual?
[20:30] <semioticrobotic> yeah
[20:30] <dutchie> as small as possible I think
[20:30] <nisshh> yep
[20:30] <humphreybc> dutchie: +1
[20:30] <semioticrobotic> ok
[20:30] <humphreybc> just however low we can go
[20:30] <humphreybc> "how low can you go"
[20:30] <Red_HamsterX> q85 JPEG looks decent in a PDF.
[20:30] <humphreybc> so looking at screenshots.log, we have 43 screenshots currently?
[20:31] <nisshh> looks like it
[20:31] <humphreybc> I think we're doing PNGs
[20:31] <godbyk> well, plus the ones that are already in there.
[20:31] <humphreybc> 1024x768 PNGs right?
[20:31] <Red_HamsterX> For the distributed PDFs?
[20:31] <godbyk> 1024x768 PNGs, yeah.
[20:31] <humphreybc> Yep
[20:31] <rudi> :)
[20:31] <Red_HamsterX> Wow. That'll be big.
[20:31] <humphreybc> Howcome we're using PNGs again?
[20:31] <Red_HamsterX> I figured it was just PNG for archival.
[20:32] <Red_HamsterX> And exporting as JPEG.
[20:32] <godbyk> PNGs are supposed to have a nicer compression algorithm than JPEG for the types of images we have.
[20:32] <humphreybc> oh right maybe they become JPEGs when it's built?
[20:32] <godbyk> Solid blocks of color get compressed big-time with PNG.
[20:32] <Red_HamsterX> Indexed PNGs, yes.
[20:32] <reventon_> for screenshots, are they all going to be lucid lynx?
[20:32] <godbyk> With jpeg, you get nasty artifacts.
[20:32] <humphreybc> reventon_: yup
[20:32] <reventon_> k just checking
[20:32] <humphreybc> okay so we're sticking with PNGs?
[20:32] <Red_HamsterX> I suppose we could batch-index the English screencaps and see what the result looks like.
[20:33] <humphreybc> Red_HamsterX: sure
[20:33] <humphreybc> Quality > size right now
[20:33] <humphreybc> size is still important
[20:33] <dutchie> agreed
[20:33] <godbyk> Hmm.. someone moved the website out from under me.
[20:33] <humphreybc> but because we don't have to worry about getting this edition on the CD so much, size can wait till next release
[20:33] <Red_HamsterX> Also agreed.
[20:33] <humphreybc> godbyk that was Daker
[20:33] <humphreybc> it's now in lp:ubuntu-manual-website
[20:33] <humphreybc> he set up a new project for translations
[20:34] <humphreybc> neat
[20:34] <humphreybc> also I was talking to Mark last night
[20:34] <godbyk> Right, but since it's auto-updated on the server, it killed the countdown page and whatnot, too.
[20:34] <humphreybc> godbyk oh that sucks. Oh well.
[20:34] <godbyk> remind me to fix it later.
[20:34]  * godbyk is back on topic now.
[20:34] <humphreybc> will do
[20:34] <humphreybc> kk so I was talking to Mark last night
[20:34] <Red_HamsterX> And now I must be off. titeuf_87, I'll get the dictionary stuff working when I get back, so you'll have functions to play with tomorrow.
[20:35] <titeuf_87> ok Red_HamsterX, take care
[20:35] <humphreybc> Basically I said to him we have two options for screenshotting, 1) Wait till very late in the cycle to capture screenshots when we know where the window controls will be for final, or 2) Start screenshotting soon and just guess where they'll be
[20:35] <humphreybc> I want that guess to be an educated guess
[20:35] <humphreybc> so I asked him where they'll most likely be for final
[20:35] <humphreybc> and he said they'll probably stay on the left
[20:36] <humphreybc> so that's what we're going to do, on the 1st of April we're going to start taking screenshots of Lucid with the buttons on the left
[20:36] <humphreybc> if they change back to the right for final, well... that sucks
[20:36] <Daker> humphreybc, that's not me
[20:36] <humphreybc> Daker: did you not move the website out of main
[20:36] <humphreybc> ?
[20:36] <rudi> how long will it take to capture all these screenies? estimated?
[20:36] <Daker> i didn't remove anything
[20:36] <jaminday> humphreybc: we could always update screenshots after release if necessary and release a revision
[20:37] <humphreybc> jaminday: ah yes we could
[20:37] <jaminday> as a last resort
[20:37] <humphreybc> or even just replace all the english ones after RC if the buttons move back to the right
[20:37] <jaminday> yep
[20:37] <nisshh> but we should not have to, it may well confuse the crap out of new users trying to understand the manual
[20:37] <humphreybc> at 2000 screenshots as a working target, we would need to capture 68 a day to get all of them done in time for Lucid final
[20:37] <nisshh> if we release a revision half way through
[20:38] <rudi> humphreybc: I see, it's quite a process :O
[20:38] <humphreybc> nisshh: true, but we may have to do that. I think they'll stay on the left, so we should be okay
[20:38] <humphreybc> rudi: indeed
[20:38] <godbyk> I think we can safely prioritize based on the languages that have the most translations at that point.
[20:38] <humphreybc> godbyk: +1
[20:38] <rudi> agreed
[20:38] <reventon_> he alluded to them contemplating added new features on the right, so i doubt they'll move them from the left anytime soon
[20:39] <humphreybc> we'll take the top 20 translations and work down from there
[20:39] <nisshh> +1 too
[20:39] <humphreybc> if we get all 20 of those done, we can look at the other 30
[20:39] <rudi> reventon_: I agree,
[20:39] <humphreybc> if not, the other 30 get english screenshots
[20:39] <humphreybc> cool
[20:40] <humphreybc> so the next two items are about cutting things and filing bugs
[20:40] <rudi> ah
[20:40] <humphreybc> the cutting things thing applies to myself, Jamin and Bryan, and we've pretty much already discussed that
[20:40] <jaminday> yep
[20:40]  * semioticrobotic nods
[20:40] <nisshh> ok
[20:40] <humphreybc> so basically as we edit the manual anything that is "beyond rescue" we cut
[20:40]  * rudi nods
[20:40] <jaminday> is Bryan here?
[20:40] <humphreybc> yep, semioticrobotic
[20:40]  * semioticrobotic raises hand
[20:40] <jaminday> ah hehe sorry
[20:41] <semioticrobotic> no problem :)
[20:41] <humphreybc> I would rather have a quality manual with less pages than a crap manual with more pages
[20:41] <jaminday> i couldn't remember your irc name
[20:41] <humphreybc> so, in saying that, anything that gets cut or anything that is not there in the first place, we need to add links to the community docs
[20:41] <jaminday> semioticrobotic: are you happy to help out with that?
[20:41] <humphreybc> anything we can't cover on our own needs to be linked to the online wiki docs until we get round to covering it for 10.10
[20:41] <rudi> humphreybc: I concur
[20:42] <humphreybc> godbyk I wonder if it's worth adding in a bug type "Reference lacking"
[20:42] <jaminday> semioticrobotic:  it will probably be about 3 chapters each of really ruthless culling
[20:42] <semioticrobotic> no, I don't mind helping at all
[20:42] <humphreybc> We want to have references and links and stuff all over the place
[20:42] <jaminday> some of us may not make it out alive
[20:42] <nisshh> jaminday: hehe
[20:42] <godbyk> humphreybc: I could add one for 'hey, this should be in the manual and isn't'
[20:42] <godbyk> we could use that to collect suggestions for the next edition, too.
[20:43] <humphreybc> that way we will cover our ass if someone says "OH but you didn't talk about configuring the X server!!111!" and also we'll keep the docs team happy by sending people to their official docs
[20:43] <reventon_> i hope you'll comment on whatever you're cutting
[20:43] <humphreybc> godbyk, yeah that sounds good
[20:43] <semioticrobotic> jaminday: I can be ruthless.  No sweat :)
[20:43] <thorwil> just to be sure: screenshots will be taken in full-color, non-indexed PNG format!?
[20:43] <rudi> hmmmm
[20:43] <humphreybc> although we'll get some pretty outlandish suggestions if the UF thread survey was anything to go by
[20:43] <jaminday> reventon_: yep we will - most of what is cut will be put in for the next release
[20:43] <reventon_> ok cool
[20:44] <jaminday> so it's not that the content isnt important or valuable, just that there won't be enough time to polish it
[20:44] <humphreybc> thorwil: I think that's the plan, although Red_HamsterX and titeuf_87 are going to look into indexing. I don't know what indexing is in images
[20:44] <humphreybc> yup
[20:44] <humphreybc> jaminday, semioticrobotic, instead of actually deleting stuff we should just comment it out
[20:44] <humphreybc> then at least we have it there for the future to work off as a base
[20:45] <jaminday> humphreybc: agreed
[20:45] <dutchie> latex provides the comment environment
[20:45] <rudi> agreed
[20:45] <semioticrobotic> humphreybc: okay -- actually, that was my next question: Where to put the stuff that's culled?
[20:45] <thorwil> humphreybc: indexing means building a color table for a single image (or set of images). it's lossy and very bad for gradients
[20:45] <dutchie> or godbyk could hack something to include it on "debug builds"
[20:45] <jaminday> semioticrobotic: yeah just leave it in
[20:45] <humphreybc> thorwil: do we have many gradients in our screenshots though?
[20:45] <dutchie> g21
[20:45] <dutchie> bah
[20:45] <thorwil> humphreybc: yes. all over the place
[20:45] <jaminday> you can use \begin{comment} and \end{comment} to wrap around it
[20:45] <humphreybc> thorwil: okay then
[20:46] <humphreybc> i guess we won't be indexing them :)
[20:46] <semioticrobotic> jaminday: sounds good to me.  shoot me a message with the chapters you'd like me to tackle
[20:46] <humphreybc> semioticrobotic: you going to be around today?
[20:46] <jaminday> semioticrobotic: ok - i will prob stick with prologue and chaps 1, 2 and 3.
[20:46] <thorwil> Red_HamsterX, titeuf_87 please make sure losless PNG screenshots are taken/retained. and if do use indexed png in the manual, make sure there's no additional JPGing
[20:46] <humphreybc> I was thinking I could start at chapter 9, work backwards, someone else starts at the prologue and works forwards
[20:46] <godbyk> dutchie: I can.  Remind me later.
[20:46] <semioticrobotic> humphreybc: for another fifteen minutes, yes.  I'll be checking email later tonight (it's early evening in my part of the States)
[20:47] <jaminday> semioticrobotic: would you prefer middle 3 or end 3?
[20:47] <jaminday> humphreybc: ah sorry didn't see that
[20:47] <humphreybc> jaminday: ah that's a good way of doing it
[20:47] <semioticrobotic> jaminday: end 3, since that's where I'm allocated as ditor
[20:47] <semioticrobotic> er, editor
[20:47] <humphreybc> okay
[20:47] <humphreybc> so jamin takes prologue/1 and 2
[20:47] <jaminday> i can do 3 as well
[20:47] <humphreybc> kk
[20:47] <jaminday> humphreybc: you take middle 3?
[20:47] <humphreybc> jamin does prologue, 1, 2 and 3
[20:47] <humphreybc> I'll do 4, 5, 6
[20:48] <humphreybc> Bryan can tackle 7 8 and 9
[20:48] <semioticrobotic> easy peasy
[20:48] <jaminday> sounds good
[20:48]  * nisshh says he will supervise
[20:48] <jaminday> hehe
[20:48] <humphreybc> If we can get most of the editing out of the way by Tuesday then that would be awesome
[20:48] <reventon_> when are guys going to start the superedit
[20:48] <reventon_> ah
[20:48] <humphreybc> most of the "heavy" editing
[20:48] <jaminday> this is not meant to be exclusive, but we figure having a small team doing the superediting will lend itself to consistency etc
[20:49] <humphreybc> yup
[20:49] <rudi> agreed
[20:49] <semioticrobotic> humphreybc: I'll do my best to meet that deadline
[20:49] <reventon_> i just want to make sure i get my edits in before you guys do
[20:49] <humphreybc> semioticrobotic: awesoem
[20:49] <humphreybc> sweet as
[20:49] <jaminday> reventon_: yeah no problem
[20:49] <jaminday> which chapter you doing again?
[20:49] <reventon_> 7
[20:49] <semioticrobotic> humphreybc: might need a chunk of Tuesday to finish
[20:49] <humphreybc> okay so that's all good. now, for those of you who aren't doing anything, start reading :)
[20:49] <reventon_> security
[20:49] <jaminday> ok
[20:49] <humphreybc> read and file bugs :P
[20:49] <semioticrobotic> :)
[20:49] <humphreybc> probably best to use the form
[20:50] <jaminday> ill put humphreybc on a leash to give you a chance
[20:50] <humphreybc> lol
[20:50] <reventon_> lol
[20:50] <semioticrobotic> lol
[20:50] <humphreybc> and when you read, start from the prologue and put your new user shoes on
[20:50] <humphreybc> so nisshh, dutchie, you guys can start reading :P
[20:50] <dutchie> will do
[20:50]  * dutchie puts on his pedant hat
[20:51] <humphreybc> godbyk have we got a good hard link for the form yet?
[20:51] <jaminday> also as i was saying earlier, if anyone notices their favourite paragraph they spent hours of writing is suddenly missing from the manual, don't fret
[20:51] <humphreybc> ubuntu-manual.org/bugs ?
[20:51] <godbyk> humphreybc: not yet.
[20:51] <godbyk> After I get the site fixed, I'll put the form there.
[20:51] <jaminday> it will probably reappear for the next release
[20:51] <humphreybc> godbyk cool, could you get that done in the next couple of hours? :)
[20:51] <godbyk> Yep.
[20:51] <humphreybc> I'm going to start drafting the OMG post
[20:51] <godbyk> As soon as you stop talking so much.  ;-)
[20:51] <humphreybc> then I'll run it by you guys before I post it
[20:51] <humphreybc> hahaha
[20:51] <godbyk> cool
[20:52] <humphreybc> okay so that's that... last thing on the agenda
[20:52] <humphreybc> [TOPIC] Website
[20:52] <MootBot> New Topic:  Website
[20:52] <jaminday> wow fastest meeting ever
[20:52] <humphreybc> Daker, you still here
[20:52] <humphreybc> ?
[20:52] <nisshh> meh
[20:52] <humphreybc> jaminday: might be under an hour for once!
[20:52]  * semioticrobotic cheers
[20:52] <jaminday> hehe
[20:52] <nisshh> no, never under an hour
[20:52]  * godbyk marvels
[20:52] <humphreybc> alright so basically the website is going pretty good
[20:52] <nisshh> hehe
[20:52]  * rudi gasps
[20:52] <humphreybc> it needs translations at some point
[20:53] <humphreybc> and also the text needs to be finalized, so i'll do that this week sometime
[20:53] <dutchie> I can speak to Daker about that at some point too
[20:53] <humphreybc> I suggested to Daker to have a nice javascript/flash type thing where the main image on the front page fades between about 4 images
[20:53] <humphreybc> like http://www.kde.org
[20:54] <godbyk> there some javascript that was used on the do.davebsd.org site (or wherever gnome do's site is) to do just that.
[20:54] <godbyk> we can snag it.
[20:54] <humphreybc> for this release, the four images can be the title page and then three pages from the manual to give a "preview"
[20:54] <humphreybc> godbyk, awesome sounds good
[20:54] <humphreybc> in the future, each image will be title pages of each different version we release
[20:54] <humphreybc> ie, Kubuntu Manual, Xubuntu Manual etc etc
[20:54] <semioticrobotic> neat
[20:54] <humphreybc> so we'll have a super cool fading animation through our publications
[20:55] <humphreybc> apart from that, I don't think anything else needs to be changed about the website from the mockups?
[20:55] <humphreybc> anyone else have any suggestions for stuff to add/remove from the site for this release?
[20:55] <rudi> sounds awesome
[20:55] <semioticrobotic> Hate to run, everyone, but I can't be late for a dinner date quickly approaching.
[20:55] <humphreybc> semioticrobotic: Oooo fair enough, we won't hold you back!
[20:55] <jaminday> no probs, have fun semioticrobotic
[20:56] <semioticrobotic> nice to meet with you all ... looking forward to the fast-paced coming week
[20:56] <humphreybc> oh btw
[20:56] <semioticrobotic> take care
[20:56] <humphreybc> heh
[20:56] <humphreybc> see ya!
[20:56] <humphreybc> also, are we going to translate the credits?
[20:56]  * semioticrobotic waves
[20:56] <humphreybc> ie, the titles of people/section headers?
[20:56] <godbyk> humphreybc: I don't see why not.
[20:56] <humphreybc> because if we are, they'll have to be confirmed before writing freeze
[20:56] <godbyk> They should be getting translated with the rest of the manual.
[20:56] <humphreybc> mmk so this week I have to confirm the titles of each person basically
[20:57] <godbyk> I am going to pretty up the credits section at some point, though.
[20:57] <jaminday> I will be Lord Jamin
[20:57] <humphreybc> we'll do the final credits around RC
[20:57] <humphreybc> hahaha
[20:57] <thorwil> humphreybc: if/once all else is through, i could throw in something
[20:57] <nisshh> i will be overlord nisshh
[20:57] <jaminday> hehe
[20:57] <humphreybc> okay so I have a rough idea how the credits would work
[20:57] <rudi> haha
[20:58] <humphreybc> I'm thinking a section for the key people, their names and then their roles beside
[20:58] <rudi> sounds like a good plan
[20:58] <humphreybc> and then underneath that we have something like Special Thanks where everyone else goes, and then Translators
[20:58] <humphreybc> either that or keep it similar to how it is now
[20:58] <humphreybc> with sections for each "area"
[20:58] <humphreybc> thoughts?
[20:58] <c7p> sounds good to me
[20:59] <jaminday> yep that seems fine
[20:59] <godbyk> I figured we'd have the key people pulled out, if you want, then the authors, then translators, and then anyone else (not sure who else)
[20:59] <humphreybc> for the Translators section I want as many full names as possible
[20:59] <nisshh> cool
[20:59] <humphreybc> godbyk okay
[20:59] <humphreybc> yu
[20:59] <humphreybc> and what about people who have done multiple stuff, should they appear in Key People as well as say, Authors?
[20:59] <dutchie> godbyk: beta testers are in the "anyone else" category
[20:59] <jaminday> it could get difficult naming too many people
[21:00] <godbyk> I was toying with the idea of having a colophon that lists the tools used to produce the manual along with the typefaces and the translators who translated that particular version.
[21:00] <rudi> hmm
[21:01] <humphreybc> godbyk if it looks pretty and gives credit, I suppose that could work
[21:01] <humphreybc> I want to make sure that everyone who did anything gets in the credits
[21:01] <humphreybc> somewhere
[21:01] <godbyk> humphreybc: I'll play with it a little bit after the meeting and send you some samples. see how it turns out
[21:01] <humphreybc> obviously we'll have to draw a line
[21:01] <humphreybc> ie, if you fixed one comma and then buggered off, you might not get in the credits :P
[21:01] <humphreybc> godbyk sounds good
[21:02] <humphreybc> but anyone who did work that helped the project deserves recognition
[21:02] <jaminday> humphreybc: agreed
[21:02] <humphreybc> cool well I think that's pretty much everything
[21:02] <humphreybc> questions?
[21:02]  * godbyk agrees
[21:02] <rudi> hmmmm
[21:02] <thorwil> http://www.foopics.com/showfull/b7500ad92d9d14e25695d680636198d3
[21:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.foopics.com/showfull/b7500ad92d9d14e25695d680636198d3
[21:02] <humphreybc> rudi, what are you up to? are you still writing stuff?
[21:03] <humphreybc> thorwil: OOo eye candy
[21:03] <jaminday> thorwil: i like
[21:03] <dutchie> number 6
[21:03] <nisshh> how come we need an @ubuntu-manual.org email to access the bug form spreadsheet
[21:03]  * humphreybc likes 6 too
[21:03] <c7p> how will you concetrate the full-names of launchpad users,as long as they have a nickname?
[21:03] <jaminday> i like 6 and 1
[21:03] <rudi> humphreybc: I'm still writing and editing chapter7 whenever I get the change
[21:04] <rudi> I managed to update the Users and Groups stuff
[21:04] <rudi> so be inline with Lucid's GUI interface
[21:04] <humphreybc> rudi: cool. Leave chapter 7 to Bryan, Jamin and I, and you can start reading stuff and filing bugs when you finish writing
[21:04] <humphreybc> c7p, no idea
[21:04] <humphreybc> I guess we'll have to try to contact them and ask for their full name
[21:04] <jaminday> rudi: finish anything you were working on though if you like
[21:04] <rudi> humphreybc: Oki, cool :).
[21:04] <humphreybc> and if not, we'll just have to stick in their nick
[21:05] <rudi> So, I should just pitch in wherever I can from hereon out?
[21:05] <jaminday> humphreybc: maybe just send an email to the mailing list, and anyone you hear back from gets their real name in
[21:05] <humphreybc> k well since the logo mockups are there, I think we should decide on one now
[21:05] <c7p> humphreybc, tha'ts a good idea
[21:05] <humphreybc> jaminday: yeah, we'll do a combination of both
[21:05] <humphreybc> we'll worry about that later
[21:05] <nisshh> i like number 1
[21:05] <reventon_> is there a master contact list? like of the writers/editors for each section, along with their emails, irc nicks, etc.?
[21:05] <jaminday> rudi: yeah, probably best way would be to start reading and filing bugs using the form
[21:06] <rudi> schweet
[21:06] <humphreybc> reventon_: not really
[21:06] <rudi> no prob
[21:06] <c7p> have you talked about the manual's final title?
[21:06] <nisshh> yes
[21:06] <humphreybc> c7p yup we decided that ages ago
[21:06]  * humphreybc likes # 7 too
[21:06] <jaminday> reventon_: once we get these credits sorted that will probably be our list
[21:07]  * humphreybc staring at the logos trying to decide
[21:07] <jaminday> hehe same
[21:07] <jaminday> i like 4 and 5 too
[21:08] <humphreybc> 7 is nicer and more minimilist/modern, but I'm not sure people will make the connection with a book
[21:08] <nisshh> i like 1, 4 and 5
[21:08] <humphreybc> to me it could be a couple of colourful buildings, or two servers
[21:08] <jaminday> sounds like we can safely cut 2 and 3
[21:08] <humphreybc> but when you have the outline around it like number 6, it's definitely a book
[21:09] <humphreybc> 1, 2 and 3 are out
[21:09] <jaminday> 1 is out?
[21:09] <thorwil> humphreybc: i see the same issues with 7. if the question is 6 or 7, it should be 6
[21:09] <godbyk> I prefer 6 to 7.
[21:09] <nisshh> yep, 6
[21:09] <humphreybc> jaminday: yeah 1 was what thorwil came up with originally
[21:09] <humphreybc> okay 6 it is
[21:10] <thorwil> jaminday: 1 is out because humphreybc lives in fear of ninjas and sees a shuriken in it
[21:10] <humphreybc> thorwil, if you could polish up #6 and then send me it in different sizes, i'll put it up on the wiki/facebook/launchpad etc etc
[21:10] <nisshh> hehe
[21:10] <jaminday> haha
[21:10] <reventon_> really? i think 7 is so much cleaner
[21:10] <nisshh> ninjaphobia
[21:10] <c7p> from what i see the log is empty, can anyone tell me what's the manual title?thank you
[21:10] <humphreybc> reventon_: problem with 7 is that if you didn't see the text beside it, and if you didn't know what it was.... it'd be like what
[21:11] <humphreybc> c7p: "Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04"
[21:11] <thorwil> humphreybc: ok, will do that
[21:11] <humphreybc> cheers thorwil, and good work :)
[21:11] <c7p> :/
[21:11] <thorwil> you're welcome
[21:11] <godbyk> thorwil: Perhaps reduce the thickness of the border on 6 a bit.
[21:11] <humphreybc> thorwil: if you could get that to me today, then i'll do the re-branding in time for the OMG! post
[21:11] <humphreybc> also, godbyk, can we get some flashy branding on the form?
[21:12] <humphreybc> godbyk +1
[21:12] <humphreybc> thorwil: try reducing the border thickness by about 10%
[21:12] <godbyk> humphreybc: I don't really know. I think they said I put it on our site inside a <frame> or something. I have to look at it again.
[21:12] <humphreybc> godbyk okay neat
[21:12] <humphreybc> that means we need to update the site header
[21:13] <humphreybc> how has Daker actually done the site? HTML/CSS?
[21:13] <humphreybc> simple as replacing an image?
[21:13] <thorwil> humphreybc: i'll be logging out soon, so all i could give you in less than 12 hours is what i have right now
[21:13] <nisshh> i saw some php in there somewhere
[21:13] <humphreybc> thorwil: send me the SVG and I'll have a play with it
[21:13] <godbyk> humphreybc: It's in php, html, css, .. Replacing the logo should be easy enough.
[21:14]  * godbyk is relieved we went over the one hour mark.
[21:14] <humphreybc> thorwil: if I get lost in the world of Inkscape then no dramas, I'll just wait 12 hours till you send me the different size versions with a smaller border
[21:14] <thorwil> humphreybc: nah, i prefer to retain control ;)
[21:14] <jaminday> well i've gotta be off to tidy up the house
[21:14] <humphreybc> thorwil: haha okay then
[21:14] <humphreybc> as long as you promise that's the first thing you do when you get up
[21:14] <jaminday> humphreybc: i'll be around a bit later hopefully
[21:14]  * nisshh has to get sleep or will turn into a programming zombie
[21:14] <humphreybc> jaminday: okay that's all good
[21:15] <jaminday> bye all
[21:15] <nisshh> cya
[21:15] <thorwil> humphreybc: sure
[21:15] <nisshh> i need some sleep cya later
[21:15] <humphreybc> see ya nisshh, thanks for coming
[21:15] <nisshh> no probs
[21:15] <humphreybc> I'm posting the OMG! article to coincide with Monday morning, UK time
[21:16] <humphreybc> so that means I have a 12 hour advantage :)
[21:16] <humphreybc> awesome
[21:16] <humphreybc> I wonder if we should put the team logo somewhere in the manual itself
[21:17] <godbyk> humphreybc: there are some possibilities there.
[21:17] <humphreybc> where do you think would suit?
[21:17] <reventon_> maybe you could put in a back page with a faux barcode and the team logo right above that
[21:17] <humphreybc> title page, bottom left, beside the team name?
[21:17] <humphreybc> reventon_: lol
[21:18] <humphreybc> I think that one would look quite nice beside the team name on the title page
[21:18] <humphreybc> in the corner
[21:18] <thorwil> good night!
[21:19] <godbyk> humphreybc: well, I was thinking we could use it as a publisher's colophon, for instance.
[21:19] <reventon_> i'm getting a 403 error trying to download the manual pdf off the wiki
[21:19] <godbyk> so if the book were ever printed, the logo would go on the spine and on a bastard title page.
[21:20] <humphreybc> a bastard title page huh?
[21:20] <godbyk> reventon_: yeah, the site got pulled out from under the server during the translations merge.
[21:20]  * humphreybc is going to get the manual printed and bound by the University print shop for himself when it's finished
[21:20] <godbyk> I'm working on it.
[21:21] <reventon_> ah, ok no worries
[21:21]  * godbyk thinks we should upload 'em to lulu.com so anyone can get a printed and bound copy.
[21:22] <humphreybc> godbyk yep, we can do that
[21:22]  * humphreybc is actually getting kinda excited to see the final product
[21:22] <humphreybc> especially all the translations and screenshots, fancy website... it's going to be kickass
[21:22] <humphreybc> and totally amazing for 4 months
[21:23]  * humphreybc is expecting a huge amount of love from the community for our project after this
[21:23] <humphreybc> make
[21:23] <humphreybc> ops
[21:23] <humphreybc> that was meant to go in the terminal :P
[21:24] <reventon_> is there going to be an html version uploaded to the site as well?
[21:24] <humphreybc> reventon_: probably not for this release
[21:24] <humphreybc> but it's on the cards for 10.10
[21:25] <humphreybc> godbyk, could you also fix up the title page for tomorrow so when the OMG! readers see it they don't think what
[21:25] <humphreybc> :)
[21:25] <godbyk> yeah, I'll add it to my list.
[21:25] <godbyk> lemme make sure I'm not missing anything:
[21:26] <godbyk> title page, credits, website, ...
[21:26] <godbyk> what else?
[21:26] <humphreybc> form?
[21:26] <humphreybc> I think that's all
[21:26] <godbyk> oh, yeah, bug form.
[21:26] <humphreybc> should keep ya busy for the next few hours :P
[21:26] <godbyk> do I need to do anything re: screenshots?
[21:26] <humphreybc> #endmeeting
[21:26] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 16:26.
[21:26] <humphreybc> I don't think so
[21:27] <humphreybc> okay meeting over, thanks everyone for turning up
[21:28] <reventon_> i'm off to get some food, probably see you guys in the main chan later


 IS there a guide or blog about it? Thanks! I bet it's hard, but I hope I can do it some day. It's a free open source C++ game.
[01:31] <donofrio> so i noticed my time is off i'm wondering how do I get my time to be synced https://photos.app.goo.gl/SnA48kb4jWDFWAPq5
[01:33] <donofrio> hwinfo is - paste.ubuntu.com/p/8ShhhdJsr5
[01:40] <hggdh> pifreak: I am not sure how to do it; you may have better luck asking in #ubuntu-devel, the devs may have a better idea
[01:45] <Randolf> So, I've been looking into OpenSSL v1.1.1.  It's an LTS (Long Term Support) version that is regarded as a major update (one update includes TLSv1.3 support, which is not supported in OpenSSL v1.1.0).  So, I'm wondering, how things progressing in Ubuntu Linux for getting OpenSSL 1.1.1 into apt?  Thanks.
[01:45] <aesthe> Whenever I try to create a home folder as root for a separate user on an Ubuntu Digital Ocean droplet, the dir never seems to appear, despite it being registered in the etc/passwd file
[01:45] <aesthe> what am I missing?
[01:45] <Randolf> OpenSSL v1.1.1 was released in October 2018:  https://www.openssl.org/blog/blog/2018/09/11/release111/
[01:45] <trobotham> you likely are using useradd instead of adduser
[01:45] <trobotham> which requires a switch
[01:46] <grepwood> hi everyone
[01:46] <trobotham> -m iirc
[01:46] <grepwood> how do I make a package of pulseaudio?
[01:46] <Randolf> Hello grepwood.
[01:46] <aesthe> I did use useradd. I'll try that switch
[01:46] <mutante> adduser is more interactive
[01:46] <grepwood> I need to recompile certain packages for convenience and install them, because some proprietary developers are jerks and won't support my distro, so I need a sabotaged Ubuntu
[01:47] <trobotham> adduser is distro specific useradd is provided by passwd
[01:47] <mutante> grepwood: apt-get source (as opposed to apt-get install) should get yout he package source you can change and then rebuild..  i guss with debuild
[01:48] <grepwood> thank you mutante
[01:48] <Randolf> I'm also seeing that OpenSSL 1.1.1 is apparently included in Ubuntu, but when I use "apt update" I only get up to 1.1.0:  https://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/core/cosmic/main/updates/openssl
[01:48] <Randolf> But may "ubuntuupdates.org" isn't an official page.
[01:48] <Randolf> But maybe "ubuntuupdates.org" isn't an official page.
[01:48] <pifreak> Thanks hggdh <3
[01:49] <OerHeks> Randolf, the numbering ( see the letter G) is confusing, https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=openssl but that would be the backport iirc
[01:49] <aesthe> trobotham, man I keep having to switch between distros. My head is a literal mes right now. Thanks so much for that!
[01:49] <trobotham> aesthe: not a problem
[01:49] <Randolf> OerHeks:  Are you referring to OpenSSL v1.1.0g?  If so, that doesn't support TLSv1.3.
[01:51] <hggdh> donofrio: Randolf if you are on Cosmic, then you should have openssl v1.1.1
[01:51] <Randolf> I'm on Ubuntu Linux 18.04 LTS.
[01:52] <trobotham> fwiw, openssl is changing there versioning: https://www.openssl.org/policies/releasestrat.html
[01:52] <donofrio> me too 18.04.1 tls
[01:52] <OerHeks> you would need to enable TLSv1.3 first, ofcourse
[01:53] <trobotham> wait, that isn't the article that I thought it was
[01:54] <Randolf> OerHeks:  Well, I've tried that but OpenSSL 1.1.1 is the minimum requirement it seems.  Unless I've missed something?
[01:54] <Randolf> trobotham: I was going to say "it doesn't appear that the version numbering has changed there."
[01:55] <trobotham> apologies! I may be thinking of something else, disregard
[01:55] <Randolf> No worries.  :)
[01:56] <Randolf> trobotham:  There's so much weirdness with certain applications and tools (e.g., EasyRSA) that changing the versioning in OpenSSL would likely be an epic disaster.
[01:57] <trobotham> nvm, here it is: https://www.openssl.org/blog/blog/2018/11/28/version/
[01:57] <hggdh> looking at the changelog for current openssl on 18.04 I do not see TLSv1.3; I dimly remember discussions about that, and that there might be some problems backporting, since many packages depend on the libraries
[01:57] <trobotham> so the next branch will be 3.0
[01:58] <Randolf> trobotham:  Oh, I don't see that being a major problem -- they're just getting rid of the letter code at the end, and ensuring a larger scope of backward compatibility in the API.
[01:58] <trobotham> yup which is what confuses most people
[01:59] <Randolf> hggdh:  See this:  https://www.openssl.org/blog/blog/2018/09/11/release111/
[01:59] <Randolf> hggdh:  The current OpenSSL on Ubuntu 18.04 seems to be 1.1.0g, which does not have TLSv1.3 support.
[02:00] <hggdh> Randolf: yes, I pointed it out above. And I know openSSL says it is ABI/API-compatible
[02:00] <Randolf> hggdh:  Sorry, I missed that then.
[02:00] <Randolf> hggdh:  You mentioned "Cosmic."  I don't know what that is referring to.
[02:01] <Randolf> I assume a codename for a particular version?
[02:01] <trobotham> Randolf: bionic is 18.04 Cosmic is 18.10
[02:01] <Randolf> Oh.
[02:01] <Randolf> I'm on bionic then.
[02:01] <Randolf> Thanks.
[02:06] <conjo> hi all
[02:06] <hggdh> Randolf: from the upbuntuupdates.org site you pointed to -- the URL says "Cosmic", which is the code name for Ubuntu 18.10
[02:08] <Randolf> hggdh: I understand now.  Thanks.
[02:08] <Randolf> I'm just doing a dist-upgrade on a remote system now to see how this works out.
[02:09] <Randolf> Do you happen to know if there are plans to bring OpenSSL v1.1.1 to bionic?
[02:09] <hggdh> Randolf: if you mean apt dist-upgrade, AND you are trying to go from 18.04 to 18.10, then this is the wrong command
[02:10] <Randolf> No.  I'm using:  do-release-upgrade
[02:10] <hggdh> Randolf: the best place to ask would probably #ubuntu-hardened (but it is Friday evening/Saturday very-early-morning, so there might not be many around
[02:10] <Randolf> (I should have been more clear.)
[02:10] <hggdh> Randolf: ack, tjank you. I was just checking :-)
[02:11] <Randolf> Thanks for checking.  :)
[02:14] <grepwood> is packages.ubuntu.com down?
[02:14] <conjo> any suggestions on securely deleting my ssd from terminal via a live linux distro (including all partitions-filesystems?
[02:15] <conjo> think i can use dd command with random  overwrites invoked but would like to clarify there isnt a better way
[02:16] <hggdh> grepwood: not anymore
[02:16] <grepwood> hggdh, still takes a lot of time, what is this, dialup?
[02:17] <hggdh> grepwood: just did a search there, WFM
[02:19] <grepwood> hggdh, still pooped for me
[02:19] <grepwood> https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/all/alsa-base/filelist
[02:19] <grepwood> trying to get this
[02:19] <grepwood> it worked now
[02:21] <hggdh> grepwood: now I am also getting slow response :-)
[02:24] <grepwood> mutante, "E: You must put some source URIs in your sources.list"
[02:25] <grepwood> does that mean I have to add a source release like there is bionic/trusty release?
[02:36] <Randolf> Upgrade successful from Ubuntu Linux 18.04 to 18.10.  Now I've got OpenSSL v1.1.1 on this system, and everything seems to be working properly.
[02:38] <Randolf> So far, every distribution upgrade I've done with Ubuntu Linux has been successful.  I really like doing these things remotely because going down to the data centre takes a lot of time.
[02:39] <Randolf> To everyone who worked on making these upgrades work so reliably, thank you.  I really do appreciate it.
[02:39] <mutante> grepwood: it means in your /etc/apt/sources.list you need lines with "deb-src" and not just with "deb" (for the same release, repeat the line just with 'deb-src" at the start
[02:40] <mutante> grepwood: for example if you already have "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main" then add "deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main
[02:40] <mutante> right below and then run apt-get update and try again
[02:40] <mutante> adjust that , i pasted from a Debian example
[02:48] <blackflow> Randolf: lucky you. every dist upgrade I've done with Ubuntu was botched.
[02:52] <grepwood> mutante, thanks
[02:52] <grepwood> got another problem
[02:52] <grepwood> gpg: keybox '/root/.gnupg/pubring.kbx' created
[02:53] <grepwood> gpg: skipped "Hui Wang<EMAIL_ADDRESS>No secret key
[02:53] <grepwood> gpg: /tmp/debsign.5sRyWDHs/alsa-lib_1.1.3-5ubuntu0.1dsc: clear-sign failed: No secret key
[02:53] <grepwood> debsign: gpg error occurred! Aborting....
[02:53] <mutante> grepwood: that's because the packages are signed, you cant sign with the key of somebody else. so you need to change it to use your own key to sign
[02:54] <mutante> or skip the signing when you build it
[02:54] <grepwood> mutante, how? where is that setting?
[02:54] <grepwood> or how do I skip that?
[02:54] <mutante> debuild -us -uc  afair
[02:54] <grepwood> okie dokie thank you
[02:55] <mutante> yw
[02:57] <mutante> out now. good luck
[03:00] <grepwood> mutante, N: 4 tags overridden (1 error, 3 warnings)
[03:04] <grepwood> how do I change the CFLAGS that are used when making a package?
[03:30] <yelowfish> hello all.is it advisable to install iwlwif on xenial?
[03:31] <yelowfish> im trying to stabilize wifi by disabling wireless n
[03:43] <yelowfish> did they remove the right click>creeate
[03:43] <yelowfish> did they remove the right click>create link in xenial
[04:14] <nicholasf> hi, Im trying to install KDE Neon on a Dell XPS 13. It has a 4k resolution. Im finding the installer's font is too small to read
[04:14] <nicholasf> any ideas about how I can lift the font size when Im booting from USB to install?
[04:20] <patr0clus> when i open a window under normal circumstances, i can left click and open a terminal at that location. but now that option seems to be missing. how can i reset it?
[04:45] <nacharjya> @s3nd1v0g1us Your Release details and which terminal you are using ??
[04:46] <s3nd1v0g1us> budgie/tilix
[04:47] <nacharjya> @s3nd1v0g1us : try this Ctrl-Shift-G
[04:48] <s3nd1v0g1us> ?
[04:49] <nacharjya> @s3nd1v0g1us :Keyboard shortcut combination use all three keys Ctrl+shift+G
[04:49] <nacharjya> @s3nd1v0g1us : Open your terminla and try these keyboard shortcut key combination
[04:50] <s3nd1v0g1us> nothing happens
[04:50] <s3nd1v0g1us> and its not my terminal that is the issue. its when i open a window...
[04:51] <s3nd1v0g1us> normally, when i open a new window say for a folder, i can open a terminal at that location by left clicking and selecting open terminal here...
[04:51] <nacharjya> @s3nd1v0g1us : new window in terminal !!! so you need to post request to tilix bug reporting channel or git page
[04:51] <s3nd1v0g1us> sigh....i fear there is a language barrier here.
[04:52] <s3nd1v0g1us> thats not what i am saying at all.
[04:52] <s3nd1v0g1us> NOT a new window in terminal. i want to open a terminal from inside a folder.
[04:52] <nacharjya> @s3nd1v0g1us : unable to open using pop up menu while opening a new windows in file manager or file browser
[04:53] <s3nd1v0g1us> again, normally left clicking allows for it, but for some reason it stopped.
[04:53] <nacharjya> if this than report to tilix git page
[04:53] <s3nd1v0g1us> no no.
[04:53] <s3nd1v0g1us> you dont understand at all.
[04:53] <s3nd1v0g1us> from inside an open folder/window.
[04:54] <nacharjya> @s3nd1v0g1us : i got it correct . your issue is right click not working sometimes to open the terminal
[04:54] <s3nd1v0g1us> say i clock on my music folder....i want to be able to open a terminal at that location...
[04:54] <s3nd1v0g1us> no.
[04:54] <nacharjya> @s3nd1v0g1us : as you said this needs to report to tilix terminal git page
[04:55] <s3nd1v0g1us> i feel like im talking to tech support for Verizon.
[04:55] <nacharjya> @s3nd1v0g1us : tilix is not default terminal for ubuntu
[04:55] <s3nd1v0g1us> where nothing that im saying seems to be getting through.
[04:55] <s3nd1v0g1us> it is for budgie.
[04:56] <nacharjya> @s3nd1v0g1us : https://github.com/gnunn1/tilix/issues
[04:56] <s3nd1v0g1us> nevermind, ill look for an answer on reddit.
[04:56] <nacharjya> rise your issue here
[04:56] <s3nd1v0g1us> youre not understanding what i am saying.
[04:57] <nacharjya> @s3nd1v0g1us : You have told us that You are not able to open terminal using the pop up menu using right click inside a folder .. anything wrong ??
[04:58] <s3nd1v0g1us> what i said was that i cannot open a terminal from inside a folder by left clicking.
[04:58] <s3nd1v0g1us> it used to allow it, now it does not.
[04:58] <nacharjya> @s3nd1v0g1us : so you need to report it to tilix git page
[04:59] <s3nd1v0g1us> sigh...
[05:01] <nacharjya> @s3nd1v0g1us : whats your installation type . if it is minimal type that you need some packages installed for the solution
[05:02] <OerHeks> that would be the nautilus-admin package
[05:05] <nacharjya_> @s3nd1v0g1us :  capability you need to installed the python-nautilus package. Logout and login and you will have an open in tilix option
[05:07] <WoC> is it possible to upgrade a boot disk (system disk) from mbr partition table to gpt w/o loss of the partitions ?
[05:10] <nacharjya_> @WoC : Answer is YES but caution and with some provisions
[05:11] <patr0clus> reinstalling nautilus-admin worked.
[05:11] <patr0clus>  thx.
[05:35] <WoC> ;P
[05:57] <CrazyH> Hopefully this will help someone somewhere:
[05:58] <CrazyH> ubuntu 16.04> The infamous laptop lid switch disable feature failure.  I may have found the issue:
[05:58] <CrazyH> http://pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=90275ca6ebbb792e07d653a0ac8d6c77
[06:00] <CrazyH> Hopefully the pic is self explainatory. Basically I did everything that you're supposed to do to disable the lid switch, all of which failed. As you can see that setting in Dconf doesn't seem to be changed ( even though it should be ). I ended up solving the issue by disabling upowerd by renaming it
[06:02] <CrazyH> I forgot to say that I'm running Gnome-flashback-session. I don't know how much that matters
[06:05] <fundatillus> CrazyH, you should write something static up for this... dev.to is an easy and friendly publishing platform.
[06:05] <CrazyH> I would have posted this on ubuntu forums, but apparently I can't post... so I'll do this instead
[06:07] <CrazyH> Is anyone here able to fix my account on Ubuntuforums
[06:11] <CrazyH> I'd like to post it there
[06:23] <zerooo> hi
[06:24] <zerooo> which flavor is the best ?
[06:24] <krytarik> Hahaha. :D
[06:32] <TAFB> ubuntu is running on my vps, but "service apache2 status" says ● apache2.service
[06:32] <TAFB>    Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory)
[06:32] <TAFB>    Active: inactive (dead)
[06:32] <TAFB> apache is running...
[06:34] <TAFB> nevermind, it isn't, just showing the apache2 default page
[07:03] <HiddenDjinn> calcurse=unstable on ubuntu, but not raspbian
[07:04] <HiddenDjinn> gpg=less than fully functional on raspbian, but perfect on ubuntu
[07:08] <gde33> Your system does not have a connection to the Snap Store. For the best upgrade experience make sure that your system can connect to api.snapcraft.io.
[07:08] <gde33> Do I still want to continue with the upgrade?
[07:11] <gde33> Or perhaps the question should be: Why doesn't my system have a connection to the snap store or why isn't the linux still not ready for production?
[07:13] <gde33> haha, whatever, let the user figure it out.
[07:13] <mouses> gde33: check your network settings/local issues
[07:14] <gde33> those are all in working order for as far as I know
[07:14] <mouses> but I think your 'not ready for production' 'let the user figure it out' comments kinda betray you here :P
[07:14] <gde33> I'm on irc and on the interwebs and all that
[07:14] <mouses> troll harder
[07:14] <gde33> sorry :P
[07:15] <gde33> I did put the message into google and found a page in french and a lengthy bug report that talked about it some place in the middle.
[07:15] <gde33> couldn't make sense of either tho
[07:17] <gde33> I would like to use the ubuntu in complete ignorance. That would be an ideal world for me.
[07:22] <gde33> sudo apt-get install snapd    E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)   E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), is another process using it?
[07:25] <gde33> ok, enough with this upgrading thing
[07:27] <gde33> ok, so I had to abort the upgrade in order to learn it was already installed.
[07:33] <gde33> dec 08 09:09:58 galactus snapd[1096]: autorefresh.go:376: Cannot prepare auto-refresh change: cannot refresh snap-declaration for "core": Get https://api.snapcraft.io/api/v1/snaps/assertions/snap-declaration/16/
[07:33] <gde33> dec 08 09:09:58 galactus snapd[1096]: stateengine.go:102: state ensure error: cannot refresh snap-declaration for "core": Get https://api.snapcraft.io/api/v1/snaps/assertions/snap-declaration/16/99T7MUlRhtI3U0QF
[07:36] <gde33> this seems interesting:  Active: active (running) since za 2018-12-08 09:09:58 CET; 37min left
[07:36] <gde33> apparently it has been running since 30 min in the future
[07:38] <BrickedInTheHead> Localization settings off on dif user?
[07:38] <gde33> Not sure what you mean, if the other user account on the system is configured wrongly?
[07:40] <BrickedInTheHead> Just a guess. Say you ran something as root vs usrr
[07:40] <gde33> the other user account was never used
[07:41] <gde33> there should be only one CET tho
[07:45] <gde33> if I just run systemctl status it says:    State: running       Jobs: 0 queued      Failed: 0 units    Since: za 2018-12-08 10:09:14 CET; 1h 24min left
[07:46] <gde33> its not even 9:00
[07:48] <ducasse> check the output of 'timedatectl status'
[07:55] <gde33> Local time: za 2018-12-08 08:55:04 CET
[07:55] <gde33>   Universal time: za 2018-12-08 07:55:04 UTC
[07:55] <gde33>         RTC time: za 2018-12-08 10:05:39
[07:56] <gde33> timedatectl set-local-rtc 0
[07:56] <gde33> Local time: za 2018-12-08 08:56:25 CET
[07:56] <gde33>   Universal time: za 2018-12-08 07:56:25 UTC
[07:56] <gde33>         RTC time: za 2018-12-08 07:56:26
[07:57] <gijoe3k> Hey true believers, is there a alternative to using the official Spotify client? I don't mind using it and it actually does a really good job.
[07:57] <gijoe3k> It would be great though if I could find a client that had some different features compared to the official one.
[07:57] <BrickedInTheHead> Web version
[07:59] <gijoe3k> @BrickedInTheHead,  This is true. I'll check it out.
[08:00] <BrickedInTheHead> Less features but doesnt cache 10gb of tracks you never listen
[08:00] <mouses> that's why I switched to google play music
[08:01] <mouses> spotify's clients/caching are just dumb
[08:01] <BrickedInTheHead> There is settings for the cache but it doesnt seem to do anything
[08:02]  * gde33 thought unix time solved all of these problems long ago :/
[08:03] <gijoe3k> I have had, like most Spotify customers, had my account hacked multiple times within the last year. Got it fixed(for now) after chatting with Spotify customer support. I have expressed to them that it's 2018 heading into 2019....there's no excuse for not having MFA(Multi-factor authentication) for all their customers.
[08:04] <gijoe3k> @mouses, Does google play music have MFA?
[08:04] <BrickedInTheHead> Even bank app doesn't have 2f auth. But its just read only
[08:05] <Helenah2> Arch Linux rox!
[08:06] <pepijndevos> One my disk I have a 100MB EFI system partition, but also a 1MB grub partion. What's the second one for, or can I delete it? (want to move partitions around)
[08:07] <BrickedInTheHead> Wouldnt touch unless you are veteran. Not with any grub manager either
[08:07] <ducasse> pepijndevos: you need the bios_boot (grub) partition to boot in legacy mode on a gpt disk
[08:08] <Helenah2> I'm curious... how come Ubuntu bastardises everything?
[08:09] <gijoe3k> @Helenah2, Good question.
[08:09] <ducasse> Helenah2: go ahead and ask if you have a support question, for other queries please use #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:09] <Helenah2> Joining now
[08:09] <pepijndevos> ducasse, ah, so since I'm in UEFI mode, I don't need it I guess.
[08:10] <ducasse> pepijndevos: no, you don't
[08:11] <pepijndevos> cool thanks. I'll try to move it, just in case, but good to know.
[08:13] <lionhertz> Because Ubuntu doesn't have just one father. She had hundreds
[08:13] <lionhertz> Her mom's a toal slut
[08:21] <Mathisen> ... ?
[08:31] <Dbugger> Does anybody know how can I force Ubuntu to use the 5Ghz band for my wifi?
[08:32] <BrickedInTheHead> Cant you force router?
[08:32] <Dbugger> BrickedInTheHead, me?
[08:32] <BrickedInTheHead> Ye
[08:33] <Dbugger> well, i do not want to disable the 2.4GHz network, since not all my devices support it
[08:35] <ducasse> Dbugger: split them into two separate ssids if they aren't already
[08:36] <nate> Dbugger: Connect to the 5G SSID...?
[08:36] <nate> You should be able to define separate SSID's, they're two different bands
[08:37] <Dbugger> nate, let me try that..
[08:38] <Dbugger> mmmpphh.. the OS does not seem to detect the 5Ghz one
[08:38] <Dbugger> even though my wifi network card supports 5Ghz
[08:40] <BrickedInTheHead> You need to fiddle with configs and specify support unless oem driver is avaival
[08:41] <BrickedInTheHead> Avaivable. Sorry forgot rule. No english auto complete
[08:43] <Dbugger> Well, I have an ASUS PCE-AC56 AC1300 Dual-Band
[08:43] <Dbugger> I dont really know how to change the configuration to do that :/
[08:44] <ducasse> 5ghz support should just work
[08:44] <BrickedInTheHead> If its mimo card you can connect both
[08:44] <Dbugger> It should, yes... but I cant :(
[08:49] <DeutscherNutzer> hello
[08:49] <DeutscherNutzer> kann jemand hier deutsch sprechen ? :D
[08:49] <DeutscherNutzer> hello, inteus :D
[09:03] <TxPlex> i keep getting an error .... [drm:radeon_crtc_handle_flip] radeon_crtc->flip_status = 0 != RADEON_FLIP_SUBMITTED(2)
[09:04] <TxPlex> i am running 16.04 lts
[09:04] <TxPlex> the error is in my sys.log
[09:06] <TxPlex> can anybody help
[09:21] <gmish_>  Hello, is there a way (any package?) to send a system wide custom-pop-up notification?
[09:22] <tarzeau> talk but it's not really a pop-up, and users can turn it off
[09:25] <gmish_> talk won't help. anything else I can try?
[09:26] <gmish_> there is notify-send if I use tint2, but then it lasts only for few secs
[09:26] <rud0lf> -t, --expire-time=TIME
[09:27] <rud0lf> miliseconds notify-send persists
[09:35] <gmish_> I didn't know that. Thanks @rud0lf
[09:45] <qwefytuoityty> Who uses redshift? When I run the redshift temperature Kelvin does not change.  Redshift works for you? If to start redshift and temperature will not change redshift  does not work
[10:13] <sta7ic> So what are the chances of a ssd being bad? For some reason whenever i put load on this disk (like install a steam game or when timeshift launches) the system freezes and then comes back after a minute. when i look at dmesg or syslog i see a bunch of hd errors
[10:13] <sta7ic> i swapped sata cable with no luck
[10:14] <Mathisen> !info smartmontools
[10:14] <Mathisen> sta7ic,
[10:14] <BrickedInTheHead> Run diagbostics
[10:15] <Kidman1670> hello, every one here?
[10:15] <Mathisen> Kidman1670, yep
[10:16] <Kidman1670> Mathisen: I wonder that someone can help me solve the trouble with Lubuntu?
[10:16] <Mathisen> Kidman1670, ask the full question
[10:17] <Kidman1670> Mathisen: yes, I am a Vietnamese, I install Ibus-unikey, but I cannot type any VNese after this. Ibus work fine in Ubuntu, but I cannot use it in Lubuntu. Thank you very much if you help me.
[10:20] <sta7ic> So, i ran smartctl --all /dev/sdd
[10:20] <sta7ic> passed healtcheck and looks like no errors?
[10:21] <Kidman1670> sta7ic: are you answer my problem???
[10:22] <sta7ic> no sorry
[10:22] <Kidman1670> sta7ic: no proplem hihi
[10:32] <sta7ic> So I ran a a short test on the ssd and health summary passed and doesnt look to be any errors? I will kick off a long test when i can as well
[10:48] <seni> I'm running a binary that reads from a wav file, and it fails with `sh: 1: path/to/file.wav: Permission denied` ???
[10:51] <seni> seems I needed to chmod +x the file
[11:07] <sysx1000> Hi there. I have very rare DVD disc and I want to make a copy of this thing, in case that original would become unreadable. I have tried many ways of doing it, dd, ddrescue, cat'ing of /dev/sr0 (heh). Nothing helps. It copies about 20-40 Mb and then I receive error "Permission denied" Sounds like DVD is protected? What kind of protection I have?
[11:08] <sysx1000> Is there any way to copy that disc?
[11:10] <ThiagoCupim> sysx1000 hi!
[11:11] <ThiagoCupim> are you using GUI or Shell??
[11:12] <sysx1000> shell
[11:12] <sysx1000> I don't want do distribute that disc, I just want to have an ISO
[11:13] <ThiagoCupim> the best way is using dd
[11:13] <ThiagoCupim> what the command do you try?
[11:15] <ThiagoCupim> try install the package genisoimage
[11:15] <ThiagoCupim> apt-get install genisoimage
[11:17] <sysx1000> genisoimage?
[11:17] <sysx1000> this one is for making ISO out of files, isn't it?
[11:17] <ThiagoCupim> you can specify an directory
[11:18] <ThiagoCupim> try specify the DVD ROM directory
[11:18] <ThiagoCupim> genisoimage -o output_image.iso directory_name
[11:18] <sysx1000> i have tried ddrescue, dd, pv, direct cat of DVD-ROM device
[11:18] <ThiagoCupim> for example: genisoimage -o output_image.iso /dev/cdrom
[11:21] <sysx1000> No, it does not work
[11:22] <ThiagoCupim> :(
[11:22] <sysx1000> even in VLC player it plays only friggin non-pirate note and then VLC crashes. On my BluRay player this disc is playing without any trouble
[11:24] <ThiagoCupim> the DVD recorded with genisoimage play on your BlueRay player?
[11:25] <sysx1000> Who might knows that? It's commercial dvd
[11:25] <sysx1000> I am not sure that publishers are using genisoimage ;)
[11:26] <ThiagoCupim> hahaha
[11:26] <ThiagoCupim> Man... Try use GUI interface... use K3B
[11:39] <sysx1000> ok, seems like after installing libdvd-pkg and brasero it works, I have already dumped 2G of this disc to disk ;)
[11:40] <ThiagoCupim> so you use brasero on GUI?
[11:41] <sysx1000> yes
[11:42] <sysx1000> I hope it will dump data properly
[11:42] <charith> where can I find the ubuntu kernal soucecode?
[11:42] <sysx1000> pkg?
[11:43] <ThiagoCupim> Brasero is very good too
[11:43] <sysx1000> or kernel source archive?
[11:43] <charith> source archive I need to add  it to my lfs build.....
[11:44] <sysx1000> lfs means links from scratch?
[11:44] <sysx1000> ok, go and visit kernel.org
[11:44] <tchakatak> charith: kernel.org
[11:47] <charith> yes linux from scratch ...? i will see ....is there any github repository canonical used to publish there ubuntu kernl
[11:48] <sysx1000> charith: if you need just kernel sources use kernel.org
[11:49] <ThiagoCupim> https://www.kernel.org/
[11:49] <sysx1000> not sure about canonical
[11:50] <tchakatak> charith: anyway on lfs you do not need (and do not want) to use the kernel made by canonical.
[11:51] <tchakatak> it contains diverses things who will not work on your lfs version.
[11:53] <gimpnixon> hello
[11:53] <charith> did anyone here have used stable os kerneals from centos,ubuntu or arch with lfs
[11:54] <tchakatak> charith: why would you do that ?
[11:54] <tchakatak> use the original one.
[11:57] <charith> I have used original kernel did'nt like its performance ...I want to undestand and learn how the above main os kernel configurations are made...
[11:58] <tchakatak> charith: in what way ?
[11:59] <tchakatak> If you do understand that, why not tune up the kernel yourself to suit your need ? And using a arch kernel or a ubuntu kernel is definetly not a good idea, there is really more than just tuneup performances on thoses kernel.
[12:01] <charith> I want there kernel cofiguration source with all the patches they applied for the original kernel to study how they tuned up the original one...is this the offical ubuntu irc
[12:02] <charith> is there anyone from canonical
[12:03] <tchakatak> Enjoy : https://github.com/Canonical-kernel/Ubuntu-kernel
[12:05] <charith> thnks
[12:08] <de-facto> Hey Guys, which packages would i need to be able to use OpenCL on "Tobago PRO [Radeon R7 360 / R9 360 OEM] [1002:665F]"  amdgpu,radeon stack (ubuntu 18.04 stock kernel driver)?
[12:08] <de-facto> Trying to use it in OpenCV
[12:09] <de-facto> installed "ocl-icd-opencl-dev" which provides "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libOpenCL.so" yet clinfo shows no avail
[12:12] <de-facto> do i need "mesa-opencl-icd"?
[12:13] <irgendwer4711> hi, I cant start radicale server any more and there is no error in log.
[12:15] <irgendwer4711> I got this logline two days ago: https://pastebin.com/xJ4xnPkG
[12:44] <tchakatak> irgendwer4711: look like you already have an instance running
[12:44] <tchakatak> and there is an error in the login.. pid file exist
[12:44] <tchakatak> Dez 06 21:44:51  radicale[24713]: OSError: PID file exists: /var/run/radicale/radicale.pid
[12:46] <irgendwer4711> tchakatak: but all instances crashed then
[12:47] <tchakatak> irgendwer4711: then remove manually the pid file and restart it ?
[12:48] <irgendwer4711> tchakatak: I did that, when this problem occured first at 3rd Dec.
[12:48] <tchakatak> did you try to look it up in the systemd log ?
[12:48] <irgendwer4711> you saw this
[12:48] <tchakatak> like journalctl -xe / systemctl status / systemctl status radicale
[12:49] <tchakatak> ok
[12:49] <irgendwer4711> the is no newer log line
[12:49] <tchakatak> then remove the pidfile and do a systemctl start radicale
[12:49] <irgendwer4711> *there
[12:49] <irgendwer4711> the pid file is already gone
[12:50] <tchakatak> then systemctl start radicale ?
[12:50] <irgendwer4711> no function
[12:50] <tchakatak> ??
[12:50] <irgendwer4711> does not work
[12:50] <tchakatak> ok but what does it say ?
[12:51] <irgendwer4711> it's lying, that is was started
[12:51] <tchakatak> its lying ? Oo
[12:51] <irgendwer4711> yes
[12:51] <tchakatak> how do you know its lying ?
[12:52] <irgendwer4711> init script is lying. it said "ok"
[12:52] <tchakatak> -_-
[12:52] <irgendwer4711> systemctl does not say anything
[12:52] <irgendwer4711> "[ ok ] Starting radicale (via systemctl): radicale.service."
[12:52] <tchakatak> please past the result of systemctl status radicale AND systemctl status
[12:53] <irgendwer4711> systemctl status was my pastebin
[12:53] <tchakatak> can you do it again please ?
[12:54] <irgendwer4711> same output
[12:54] <tchakatak> systemctl status (without anything) give you this output ?
[12:55] <irgendwer4711> yes/no, there is no newer output than that of 6th dec
[12:56] <tchakatak> systemctl status should give you all the CGROUP and the process running and there pid, anso the state of systemd
[12:56] <tchakatak> not this
[12:56] <irgendwer4711> no
[12:56] <irgendwer4711> that was status of radicale
[12:56] <tchakatak> what did you type exactly
[12:56] <irgendwer4711> systemctl status radical
[12:57] <tchakatak> thats not what i asked you
[12:57] <irgendwer4711> yes you do!
[12:57] <tchakatak> "systemctl status"
[12:57] <tchakatak> WITHOUT radical
[12:57] <irgendwer4711> you said AND
[12:57] <tchakatak> > please past the result of systemctl
[12:57] <tchakatak>                    status radicale AND systemctl status
[12:57] <irgendwer4711> one line?
[12:57] <tchakatak> No.
[12:57] <irgendwer4711> so two commands?
[12:58] <tchakatak> yes.
[12:58] <irgendwer4711> so I did
[12:58] <irgendwer4711> and systemctl status is too big to copy
[12:58] <tchakatak> systemctl status > mylogfile.log
[12:59] <tchakatak> and copy mylogfile.log
[12:59] <irgendwer4711> yes
[13:00] <irgendwer4711> tchakatak: https://pastebin.com/EaEyXCfa
[13:01] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:03] <tchakatak>    Failed: 4 units
[13:03] <irgendwer4711> tchakatak: there is some same strange problem with fetchmail too
[13:03] <tchakatak> look like there is more than that
[13:03] <irgendwer4711> yes, systemd is biggest shit under the sun.
[13:04] <tchakatak> you can revert to sysinitv if you want.
[13:04] <grepwood> hi
[13:04] <irgendwer4711> no, not with 18.04 is guess
[13:04] <grepwood> I'm trying to recompile 4 packages in Ubuntu: libasound2:i386, pulseaudio, libxcb1:i386 and libc6:i386
[13:05] <grepwood> How do I change the CFLAGS of these packages?
[13:06] <tchakatak> i dont think its a systemd problem, more your packages are a problem
[13:06] <tchakatak> and your config
[13:06] <irgendwer4711> ok, the Ubuntu people are silly :-P
[13:06] <irgendwer4711> tchakatak: how to list the 4 failed units?
[13:07] <tchakatak> irgendwer4711: silly ?
[13:07] <tchakatak> look in journalctl -xe
[13:08] <LunaLovegood> Can I grab the latest from kernel.org, 4.19.8 (plus the .config from 18.04's default kernel) and use it instead of 4.15.0-42-generic?  Do I need specific patches so it works with Ubuntu?  I heard recent kernels work better for AB350M / Ryzen 2200G.
[13:08] <tchakatak> LunaLovegood: ukuu, be ready for instability
[13:08] <irgendwer4711> tchakatak: systemctl list-units --state=failed
[13:09] <tchakatak> irgendwer4711: witch ones?
[13:09] <irgendwer4711> tchakatak: rc-local.service
[13:09] <LunaLovegood> tchakatak it's already instable for amdgpu related reasons
[13:09] <LunaLovegood> hence why i want a newer kernel
[13:10] <irgendwer4711> tchakatak: other services are less important
[13:11] <irgendwer4711> I see, rc-local.service hat a problem with iptables, cause of no internet to resolve a host
[14:20] <dviola> hi
[14:21] <dviola> I'm running Ubuntu 18.04 LTS with oibaf PPA for up to date amdgpu drivers, but I'm getting lots of freezes while using firefox, etc
[14:21] <dviola> [drm:amdgpu_job_timedout [amdgpu]] *ERROR* ring sdma0 timeout, signaled seq=46862, emitted seq=46865
[14:26] <dviola> any ideas please?
[14:26] <WoC> how can i convert an official ubuntu distribution iso from hybrid to gpt ?
[14:26] <WoC> Thus making it bootable only on UEFI
[14:27] <WoC> I need to test if my UEFI is working, befor switching my system from mbr -> gtp
[14:27] <WoC> errr mbr-> gpt
[14:28] <OerHeks> WoC, ubuntu iso's are already hybrid/GPT/UEFI compatible
[14:28] <WoC> i need to strip the mbr
[14:28] <OerHeks> !uefi
[14:29] <OerHeks> strip the mbr? on your hdd? the iso is fine..
[14:29] <WoC> OerHeks, my intentions are to verify if my uefi bios is actually working, i can not confirm that with hybrid
[14:31] <WoC> so, i intend to put a non hybrid iso on my usb stick to check that it boots with no legacy support in my uefi bios settings
[14:32] <WoC> OerHeks, i take it that i would need to rebuild the iso somhow ?
[14:32] <OerHeks> no, what you ask for does not exist, an iso with gpt
[14:33] <OerHeks> use the uefi manual, and check if you boot in live mode, gpt/uefi or mbr/legacy
[14:38] <WoC> i.e. ? -> test -d /sys/firmware/efi && echo efi || echo bios
[15:01] <EriC^^> WoC: you could just make a fat32 partition and copy over the iso there
[15:02] <EriC^^> um, nevermind
[15:02] <EriC^^> WoC: you should be able to choose from the bios how to boot the live usb, no?
[15:03] <EriC^^> nevermind, what OerHeks said :)
[15:03] <WoC> appreciate your attempt none the less
[15:03] <OerHeks> i have used the F key - boot override, and choose uefi, and all went well, it even made its own uefi partition
[15:05] <WoC> I keep looking for a uefi distro
[15:06] <OerHeks> all iso's that are uefi capable, are called hybrid, there is no solely uefi iso
[15:07] <WoC> With the hybrid being there, you can not confirm if the uefi is actually working or not
[15:17] <donavan01> so I want to set up a virtual machine and use some wifi penatration testing tools but I need to use a usb wifi adapter will I have issues with getting ubuntu to see the usb device as though it were being used on a natively booted os
[15:28] <p0a> Gotta love when firefox grabs 80% of memory and your computer dies
[15:41] <sgs> Hi. Any useful tutorial for building .deb (binary) packages?
[15:42] <mst89> #
[15:42] <sgs> "Debian New Maintainers' Guide" seems a bit outdated.
[15:45] <OerHeks> sgs, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo and http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/packaging-new-software.html
[15:46] <sgs> OerHeks: Thanks! :)
[15:58] <ps-ax> hi hi
[15:59] <ps-ax> ioria, hi man :D
[17:56] <vfw> What is the size difference between Ubuntu minimal and regular Ubuntu?
[17:57] <vfw> ... after install
[17:57] <OerHeks> minimal needs internet to install, and has no live mode
[17:57] <vfw> Ok, but what's the size difference?
[17:57] <OerHeks> no size difference AFAIK
[17:57] <vfw> ... after install ...
[17:57] <OerHeks> yes, after install
[17:58] <vfw> Oh, ok.  I was mislead by the name "Minimal"
[18:01] <pglewis> Not sure if this is the right place to be, unable to boot after an update yesterday
[18:03] <ThKitten> hey guys, I need some help right quick with trying to install some software. I keep getting the following, and despite all my googling, I've found no good solutions for the issue: https://pastebin.com/DD93a3Ce
[18:07] <durt> pglewis: How far into boot do you get?
[18:10] <pglewis> It hangs after gnome display is started if I recall recovery mode no love this far. What I have: Android phone and root shell with minimal network on the ubuntu box
[18:18] <durt> pglewis: Which video chipset?
[18:20] <pglewis> I have an on-board Intel and sapphire radeon pulse rx570
[18:21] <pglewis> Almost certain an update to drivers for the sapphire
[18:21] <kinghat> do the newer AMD kernel stuffs make its way into 18.04 kernel? not sure which kernel is being used on 18.04.
[18:22] <ntd> 4.15
[18:22] <kinghat> i know ppl say use the AMD integrated kernel stuff over running their drivers. but if we are not on most up2date kernel then should we be using the AMD drivers?
[18:23] <ntd> if you need opencl power, vulkan etc use amdgpu-pro
[18:24] <ntd> otherwise built-in amdgpu should be sufficient
[18:24] <ajnr> Hi all - I am new in ubuntu, I am not able to connect my bluetooth external speaker with my Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. Please help me. I tried with https://paste.pics/4A9CG but not working, it shows " No adapter found". I tried to get the information and found that  http://pastebin.tlhiv.org/XJeqZLWA
[18:25] <kinghat> does using amdgpu-pro turn off kernel stuffs or is there just no conflict there?
[18:26] <durt> pglewis: Check /var/log/apt/history.log and see if an update to your specific video drivers happened. On intel/nvidia myself so don't know if it's a radeon or other issue.
[18:26] <pglewis> Roger
[18:28] <ajnr> and also tried with bluetooth GUI but it seems disabled https://paste.pics/4A9DY
[18:30] <pglewis> Definitely seeing stuff related to mess and amd, difficult for me to visually parse especially with the large font size atm
[18:30] <pglewis> Mesa
[18:32] <pglewis> I'm ignorant on which drivers were in place before
[18:33] <pglewis> Fairly certain it was just ubuntu drivers in 18
[18:40] <pglewis> This is all due to discovering a love for x-plane. Not much of a gamer, lived with on-board graphics for ages
[18:43] <ThKitten> I was able to work around it, I'm having a different issue, no one is responding in #nginx. On the setup page here: https://github.com/ornicar/lila/wiki/Lichess-Development-Onboarding it has a nginx config there I can copy and paste. I'm wanting to setup this app under www.website.com/chess. The main site is already setup to utilize a wordpress site. Any way I can do this??
[18:46] <ajnr> Hi all - I am new in ubuntu, I am not able to connect my bluetooth external speaker with my Ubuntu 16.04 LTS. Please help me. I tried with https://paste.pics/4A9CG but not working, it shows " No adapter found". I tried to get the information and found that  http://pastebin.tlhiv.org/XJeqZLWA and also tried with bluetooth GUI but it seems disabled https://paste.pics/4A9DY
[18:52] <pglewis> I'm tech savvy in general but really power user level at best with ubuntu/Linux/bash. Unsure how to proceed
[19:17] <durt> pglewis: Check what the name of previous drivers are and revert back to them on cli to see if they're the problem. You're gonna have to learn some cli *apt* commands to do so but on your phone google will serve well.
[19:33] <TxPlex> i keep getting an error .... [drm:radeon_crtc_handle_flip] radeon_crtc->flip_status = 0 != RADEON_FLIP_SUBMITTED(2) It just keeps repeating in my sys sys.log... i am running ubuntu 16.04 lts
[19:40] <TxPlex> https://pastebin.com/xZ78FQgN
[19:47] <pglewis> Managed to go back far enough in grub to find one that would boot.  Lots of things not working, none of Chromium, Chrome, nor Firefox so no working browser yet.  But at least I have access to a keyboard and a terminal better than 80 cols to work with at the moment
[19:48] <pglewis> and one working IRC app, so I'll categorize this as a win for the moment
[19:55] <bitlan> hello, any one use SSTP betweeen mikrotik and ubuntu 18 ?
[19:56] <bitlan> i installed 'network-manager-sstp network-manager-sstp-gnome' but in network manager i havent place to import user cert and key (only CA as *.pem file
[20:01] <arndff> Hi, lads. I have 2 keyboard layouts: 1st) English, 2nd) Bulgarian. Some of the keyboard shortcuts don't work when I'm using the BG layout. However, if I swap these 2 layouts at Settings: 1) BG, 2) EN -> the kbd shortcuts don't work fine when I'm using the english layout.....
[20:01] <arndff> How can I set same kbd shortcuts regardless the layout?
[20:01] <arndff> Thank you in advance!
[20:04] <cxl> Hi, I have installed a piece of software that ships with an example .service file to use with systemd. How do I enable it in systemd? Do I ln -s from that example file to the /etc/systemd/users/my.service or do I copy the file there? What's the best practice?
[20:04] <cxl> it's for offlineimap if that makes a difference
[20:04] <sruli> cxl where is the service file located?
[20:05] <sruli> arndff: ubuntu 18.04?
[20:07] <arndff> @sruli, 18.04.1 LTS
[20:07] <sruli> cxl: if its located in the default location (/etc/systemd/system/) you would just execute "sudo systemctl enable file_name.service" else put the full path to the file
[20:09] <sruli> arndff: try to check in Settings > Devices > Keyboard - check if the shortcuts are the same when you select each layout
[20:09] <cxl> sruli: it's in /usr/share/doc...
[20:10] <cxl> oh I see, systemctl enable would copy/symlink it where it should?
[20:10] <sruli> cxl: try "sudo systemctl enable /usr/share/doc/.../file_name.service"
[20:10] <sruli> cxl: yes
[20:10] <cxl> cool, thanks sruli
[20:10] <OerHeks> cxl, what software is this? if it installed itself correctly, you would not need to mess around with service files
[20:10] <arndff_> sruli: mate, a bug occurred and gotta turn off the laptop.
[20:10] <arndff_> did you write anything to me?
[20:10] <cxl> OerHeks: it's offlineimap
[20:10] <sruli> arndff_: try to check in Settings > Devices > Keyboard - check if the shortcuts are the same when you select each layout
[20:11] <ioria> !info offlineimap
[20:15] <ioria> true,it's not integrated in systemd
[20:19] <arndff_> sruli: seems like the shortcuts are the same. The problem occurs in Ubuntu's login screen: when layouts are set like this: 1 EN, 2 BG and the current one is the latter, then ctrl+a doesn't work.
[20:19] <arndff_> Also, the some of the google chrome keyboard shortcuts don't work which is too annoying
[20:20] <ioria> cxl, already tried this ? http://www.offlineimap.org/doc/contrib/systemd.html
[20:20] <sruli> arndff_: i dont know, i have had a similar issue for years but got used to switching to EN (which is primary anyway) when i need to use shortcuts
[20:21] <arndff_> So annoying... And one other issue: when I click on "Show applications", sometimes the icon are resized randomly...... and sometimes the OS freezes.
[20:21] <cxl> ioria: yes, thanks, that's the ones that come under /usr/share/doc/offlineimap/examples/systemd
[20:21] <ioria> ok
[20:21] <cxl> it works now, I just didn't know if I should manually copy them over or what; systemctl --user enable /path/to/file.service worked
[20:22] <ioria> yeah
[20:22] <cxl> thanks for the help
[20:22] <ioria> no prob
[20:24] <pglewis> Fortunately I actually mentioned I had to reboot to a colleague in Slack, last time I had to.  That was around noon Dec 6th.
[20:25] <pglewis> looking at history.log, it appears I have two updates in the span since, one on the 6th and one on the 7th
[20:26] <pglewis> current task: parse out everything in those two updates, make a list, and figure out how to revert each and every one, I suppose?
[20:26] <ioria> pglewis, if you paste history.log we can take a look
[20:27] <pglewis> I'll whip up a gist, managed to get Opera installed so I'm now up to one working browser as well, life slowly improves
[20:28] <ioria> pglewis,  cat /var/log/apt/history.log | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:29] <pglewis> http://termbin.com/2krc
[20:30] <pglewis> since i had a successful reboot before the update on the 6th, I think I'm probably only concerned with the last two
[20:30] <ioria> another oibaf
[20:31] <ioria> pglewis,  i guess you have a 'radeon' issue
[20:31] <pglewis> I'm actually a developer by trade, but when it comes to my OS... drivers especially, I'm like everyone else and just hope it all works
[20:31] <pglewis> yeah, I'm sure that's what it is
[20:31] <ioria> pglewis,  you installed oibaf...
[20:31] <pglewis> just ignorant on how to clear it up
[20:32] <ioria> pglewis,  uname -r
[20:32] <pglewis> I did initially on internet found advice, could not boot, managed to recover via recovery mode at the time, removed them and used Ubuntu drivers instead iirc
[20:32] <pglewis> 3.13.0-92-generic
[20:33] <ioria> pglewis,  are you on trusty 14.04 ?
[20:33] <pglewis> I've gone back in time via grub just to get a bootable system
[20:33] <ioria> pglewis,  cat /etc/issue
[20:33] <pglewis> 18.04.01
[20:34] <pglewis> Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS \n \l
[20:34] <ioria> back in time indeed
[20:34] <pglewis> a couple slots back to get one that would at least boot so I have a keyboard and browser
[20:34] <pglewis> this beats typing on my phone
[20:34] <ioria> pglewis,  and the trusty kernel works on bionic ?
[20:35] <pglewis> You're getting beyond my knowledge, but things have been working
[20:35] <ioria> pglewis,  honestly, you cannot use that kernel
[20:35] <pglewis> I had the driver hiccup when I installed the radeon a few weeks back, but resolved it but getting rid of them
[20:36] <pglewis> what should my plan of action be first?
[20:36] <ioria> pglewis, remove oibaf for now with ppa-purge
[20:37] <pglewis> also, I assume this may not be the kernal I was actually on
[20:37] <pglewis> again, going back in grub right now just to get something that will boot
[20:38] <ioria> pglewis,  lspci -nnk | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:38] <pglewis> http://termbin.com/2fr5
[20:39] <pglewis> what do I need to provide to ppa-purge?
[20:40] <OerHeks> !ppapurge
[20:41] <ioria> pglewis, rx 470/80 is supported by amdgpu
[20:41] <OerHeks> old factoid, apt-add-repository --remove would work too
[20:41] <pglewis> I may have missed any message other than the last two... bonus of this unstable boot right now is many apps that don't work log me out
[20:42] <ioria> pglewis, sudo apt-get install ppa-purge  and sudo ppa-purge ppa:oibaf/graphics-drivers
[20:42] <pglewis> roger, one moment
[20:42] <dbff2> heya
[20:42] <dbff2> I did sudo make install on some crap library
[20:42] <dbff2> its now installed on /usr/local
[20:42] <dbff2> how do I get rid of it
[20:42] <ioria> bad idea
[20:42] <dbff2> yeah I figured
[20:43] <ioria> make unistall
[20:43] <dbff2> doesn't have support
[20:43] <ioria> track down make install script
[20:43] <dbff2> how?
[20:43] <ioria> in Makefile i guess or in anothe file in the pkg
[20:44] <dbff2> https://github.com/cisco/libacvp/blob/master/Makefile.in
[20:45] <dbff2> ioria this is the make file where do I start?
[20:45] <ioria> dbff2, if you are lucky all the stuff is under /usr/local
[20:45] <pglewis> before I proceed any farther... are any of these changes going to persist since I've gone back on grub?
[20:45] <dbff2> ioria, can I just delete /usr/local/libfile?
[20:45] <pglewis> am I only modifying this "image" (sorry for my ignorance on this part)
[20:45] <dbff2> or are there going to be problems
[20:46] <ioria> dbff2, don't touch 'python2.7  python3.5  python3.6
[20:46] <ioria> '
[20:48] <dbff2> nvm make uninstall worked
[20:48] <dbff2> I also renamed python 2.7 to python2
[20:48] <dbff2> I think it was a typo
[20:49] <dbff2> the extension .7 did not seem familiar
[21:03] <kab0m> Hi @ all
[21:04] <kab0m> does anyone know how to copy ALL metatags from a flac to a alac/m4a file via CLI? tia
[21:07] <OerHeks> mediainfo should be able to, interesting old post https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,94660.0.html
[21:11] <jtnunley> My laptop with a net-installed Ubuntu install is not connecting to Wifi. Here is the output of LSPCI: https://pastebin.com/FbCi2s2D As you can see, there isn't a wifi card listed, despite the fact that I was able to connect to wifi with my Win10 installation on this laptop. What should I do?
[21:12] <kab0m> OerHeks: Thank you. But it looks like i would have to cherrypick every tag i want. Im looking for something like "copyalltags infile.flac outfile.alac" Does anyone know about something like this?
[21:14] <jtnunley> Please help, I'm tired of using an Ethernet cable
[21:14] <OerHeks> you should have been carefull, creating those flacs
[21:14] <OerHeks> jtnunley, that is the limit of netinstall and mini iso, no wireless
[21:14] <jtnunley> OerHeks: how do I enable wireless?
[21:15] <OerHeks> use a regular iso, or use a networkcable
[21:15] <jtnunley> So just reinstall with a full size ISO?
[21:15] <OerHeks> jups, that should work for most cards
[21:15] <jtnunley> The USB I was using was too small for the full size ISO... is ther any alternative?
[21:18] <OerHeks> i think you are bound to wired networking for install
[21:19] <OerHeks> all isos exceed 1gb AFAIK
[21:19] <jtnunley> Alright, I guess I'll try to find a bigger USB... thanks!
[21:20] <leftyfb> OerHeks: um
[21:20] <leftyfb> OerHeks: they did not need to reinstall anything to get wireless support
[21:21] <OerHeks> on the netinstall ?
[21:21] <leftyfb> correct
[21:21] <OerHeks> pls, share
[21:21] <OerHeks> oh he is gone now
[21:21] <leftyfb> the netinstall is zero percent different from any other install besides packages being installed. Which they could have installed since they had network connection with ethernet
[21:22] <OerHeks> oh, i thought you had a fix for wireless on netinstall
[21:22] <OerHeks> he was tired of wired
[21:22] <leftyfb> yeah, install the drivers needed for his wifi chipset
[21:23] <leftyfb> a reinstall of the OS using a server install or anything other than the full desktop is going to be no different
[21:24] <leftyfb> and still, could have been fixed with the way he had it without reinstalling the OS
[21:26] <Edisto> selecting my printer from listed network printers I am getting an error that cannot locate printer epsonf8ebde.local
[21:26] <Edisto> how do I get the actual ip address of my printer without the string?
[21:29] <gambl0re> what is initramfs?
[21:30] <leftyfb> gambl0re: why do you ask?
[21:30] <gambl0re> sometimes it boots into initramfs. i think something is corrupted with my file system?
[21:30] <leftyfb> gambl0re: use gparted and do a disk check
[21:31] <gambl0re> leftyfb, ok but do you know what initramfs actually is?
[21:31] <leftyfb> gambl0re: Initial Ram Disk Filesystem
[21:31] <leftyfb> gambl0re: yes, I do
[21:31] <coz_> gambl0re, http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/postlfs/initramfs.html
[21:31] <gambl0re> why does my system book into it
[21:31] <awilkins> Basically : enough Linux to load Linux
[21:31] <coz_> gambl0re, check the link
[21:32] <coz_> first paragraph
[21:32] <leftyfb> gambl0re: a google search for "what is initramfs" tells you exectly what it is
[21:32] <gambl0re> coz_, i already tried reading a bunch of articles but still dont understand
[21:32] <coz_> gambl0re, well that link i posted should give you the basics
[21:32] <gambl0re> leftyfb, could you just give me a simple explanation what it is and what causes my os to boot into it
[21:33] <leftyfb> gambl0re: it's what your computer boots into before it boots your full linux filesystem.  It only understands enough to load files from a small number of file systems : ext4 isn't one of them
[21:33] <Eduard_Munteanu> gambl0re, it's a small root filesystem that sets up the real root filesystem to boot into it, because it may be nontrivial to do so (e.g. encryption).
[21:33] <leftyfb> gambl0re: I would run an fsck and/or disk check using gparted
[21:33] <gambl0re> leftyfb, i ran fsck and it fixed it
[21:33] <awilkins> But ext4 is the default FS Ubuntu uses to store all the good stuff.  I assume you're running Ubuntu on a Raspberry Pi?
[21:35] <gambl0re> i mean its a ssd
[21:35] <gambl0re> not sd
[21:35] <leftyfb> ok, you literally said "its a sd card"
[21:36] <leftyfb> gambl0re: regardless, stop forcing your computers power off
[21:36] <gambl0re> yea sorry. i think you're right though about the improper shutdown. i tthink that might be the reason
[21:36] <leftyfb> and use gparted to see if your SSD might be failing
[21:36] <gambl0re> i know sometimes my computer doesnt wake up from a hibernate
[21:36] <gambl0re> so im forced to shutdown
[21:37] <gambl0re> not hibernate, suspend mode
[21:37] <gambl0re> leftyfb, thanks for your help
[21:41] <pglewis> I've improved from code red to code yellow here.  Started with a root shell plus IRC on the phone, unable to boot.  Removed oibaf and back to being able to boot again, but some things for me to look into still
[21:41] <pglewis> I've lost some IRC history in the process, it was mentioned during a check earlier that I'm using a kernal I should not be
[21:44] <pglewis> what should I be looking for to see if that is indeed the case (I was booting from the past via grub at the time, thinking that may have been why)
[21:47] <pglewis> going through bash history in what was checked, and checking now: "cat /etc/issue": Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS \n \l, "uname -r": 4.15.0-42-generic
[21:55] <malwar3hun73r> with rsyslog is it possible to put logs from remote hosts in a certain folder,  but leave local logs as is?
[22:04] <pglewis> According to this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/517136/list-of-ubuntu-versions-with-corresponding-linux-kernel-version
[22:05] <pglewis> 4.15 would be correct for 18.04.1
[22:05] <OerHeks> or 16.04 with HWE enabled
[22:05] <OerHeks> !hwe
[22:05] <pglewis> and I think it reported Trusty before, but only because I had to go back in time via grub just to get to a working boot
[22:06] <pglewis> thank you much for the resource, too
[22:06] <pglewis> I can breathe easier there, but I have some learning to do about the driver issue that got me in this predicament
[22:08] <pglewis> Short story, got a new graphics card a few weeks ago (as it probably often starts).  Installed oibaf drivers for it after a few web searches and it appeared to support my system and card.  Could not boot, managed to recover via recovery mode and (I thought) removed the drivers
[22:09] <pglewis> things worked swimmingly for a few weeks until recent updates apparently updated/reinstalled the oibaf drivers
[22:10] <pglewis> And I am embarrasingly ignorant on driver details and a lot of things beyond "power user" level with Ubuntu.
[22:11] <pglewis> what I have done so far after recovering this time:
[22:11] <pglewis> sudo ppa-purge ppa:oibaf/graphics-drivers
[22:12] <pglewis> sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:oibaf/graphics-drivers
[22:12] <pglewis> anyone know if there is anything else I should do or be looking into to avoid a repeat?
[22:12] <malwar3hun73r> anyone familiar with rsyslog?
[22:19] <Dave_Elec> hey everyone.. I'm having issues with NetworkManager.. when i try to connect to a us mobile broadband connection, it connects but then disconnects after a few seconds. Any solutions?
[22:26] <blaster> if I just want to use gem should I install ruby or ruby-full?
[22:53] <leftyfb> gambl0re: don't suspend/hibernate
[23:02] <grepwood> I'm trying to recompile 4 packages in Ubuntu: libasound2:i386, pulseaudio, libxcb1:i386 and libc6:i386
[23:02] <grepwood> How do I change the CFLAGS of these packages?
[23:04] <leftyfb> grepwood: why are you trying to compile those packages? Also, why 32bit?
[23:07] <rypervenche> malwar3hun73r: Yep.  I have a problem on Gentoo and their policy is "if it doesn't trigger on Ubuntu then we will mark it as WONTFIX GOAWAY". Therefore, I am trying to recompile certain packages on Ubuntu to trigger the bug and force the proprietary developer to stop sitting on their hands
[23:09] <grepwood> still looking for an answer to my original question, the CFLAGS are the key to triggering the bug
[23:09] <grepwood> before someone asks, these are pretty sane CFLAGS like -O2 and -march=native
[23:11] <hggdh> grepwood: the easiest way is to download the source packages and look at the build options