[20:31] <FernandoMiguel> so more ppl can laugh today
[20:31] <FernandoMiguel> http://censorshipstinks.com/
[21:26] <chrisccoulson> FernandoMiguel, is that meant to be  parody? i can't tell, and it lacks any sort of context :/
[21:26] <FernandoMiguel> no, no parody chrisccoulson
[21:26] <FernandoMiguel> the ad industry is against firefox blocking ads
[21:26] <FernandoMiguel> or rather 3rd party tracking
[21:27] <chrisccoulson> FernandoMiguel, it doesn't seem to reference that, which is why i thought it lacked context :/
[21:28] <FernandoMiguel> I got it from segfault tweets https://twitter.com/segphault
[21:29] <chrisccoulson> ah, thanks
[21:30] <FernandoMiguel> np
[22:35] <Unit193> Hah, it lacks all sorts of contect, just "OoOoOOoh, Mozilla baaad, they're censoring stuff and controlling your information, ooooOHH, sign our petition!" :P
[22:35] <Unit193> Content, too.


[00:10] <slangasek> pitti, cjwatson: did one of you accept simple-scan from the unapproved queue?  it was pending an FFe, so I left it in the queue yesterday when flushing, and whoever accepted it didn't comment on the FFe bug
[00:58] <robbiew_> jcastro: ping
[01:04] <robbiew_> jcastro: neverming
[01:04] <robbiew_> and nevermind :P
[02:41] <nigelb> can someone from release team give me an ack on bug 543139
[02:56] <ScottK> nigelb: No FFe needed.  I commented in the bug.
[03:05] <nigelb> ScottK: oh yeah, bug fix.  I forgot.  thanks :)
[08:02] <cjwatson> slangasek: not I
[16:36] <AnAnt> slangasek: hello


[00:09] <silentwhisper> need help about postfix
[00:09] <silentwhisper> i need help
[00:11] <skydrome> dont we all
[00:11] <EvilPhoenix> indeed
[00:11] <EvilPhoenix> i posted at least 20 mins ago with no answer
[00:11] <silentwhisper> can you help me about postfix
[00:12] <EvilPhoenix> me? noooo
[00:12] <silentwhisper> why?
[00:12] <skydrome> if you ask, someone might answer
[00:12] <silentwhisper> ah
[00:12] <EvilPhoenix> well i actually sit here for when I need help
[00:12] <EvilPhoenix> and I dont use postfix
[00:12] <silentwhisper> what do you use?
[00:13]  * EvilPhoenix states he does not use postfix, hell he doesnt even know what postfix is
[00:14] <silentwhisper> my postfix has no maildir directory
[00:14] <silentwhisper> /home/user/maildir
[00:14] <silentwhisper> why is that?
[00:16] <silentwhisper> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/2Amk4gTi
[00:16] <silentwhisper> please check it out
[00:17] <EvilPhoenix> silentwhisper:  repeating / spamming wont get you an answer
[00:17] <silentwhisper> that is my sample
[00:19] <ScottK> silentwhisper: Please pastebin the output of postconf -n
[00:21] <silentwhisper> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/SDeqcVZy
[00:27] <ScottK> silentwhisper: I think you need to read man 8 local (also at http://www.postfix.org/local.8.html)
[00:32] <silentwhisper> what is the purpose of mx record?
[00:33] <skydrome> silentwhisper, try #postfix
[00:34] <silentwhisper> thank you
[01:31] <RoyK> Ubuntu surprises me a little - a 24 core box running with a load of 25 or so hardly uses time for sys
[01:31] <RoyK> all in all - works
[01:46] <isw> Is anyone familure with or have documentation on switching from DHCP to static IP address on ubuntu 10.04?
[02:19] <qman__> isw, man interfaces
[02:29] <qman__> I'm having trouble trying to upgrade one of my servers to lucid from hardy, it says "Dist-upgrade failed: 'E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.'", but I can't figure out what packages are causing the problem. Here's the full logs from the failed upgrade: http://pastebin.com/unNUbvwh
[02:30] <qman__> I also noticed that early on it lists a whole bunch of old packages that aren't installed, and the log says "skipping"
[02:33] <pmatulis> qman__: bad problem for a friday night
[02:34] <qman__> yeah, it's not urgent, just had some time and decided to give it a go
[02:34] <pmatulis> qman__: was hardy all up to date before the upgrade?
[02:34] <qman__> yes
[02:35] <qman__> double checked and even rebooted just before
[02:35] <pmatulis> qman__: are you holding/pinning any packages?
[02:35] <qman__> I didn't set any, where do I check to make sure?
[02:35] <pmatulis> try 'dpkg --get-selections | grep hold'
[02:36] <qman__> comes up empty
[02:37] <pmatulis> qman__: what about PPAs?  using any?
[02:38] <qman__> nope
[02:38] <qman__> and I'm fairly sure I didn't compile anything from source, either
[02:38] <pmatulis> qman__: how did you perform the upgrade?
[02:38] <qman__> if I did, it would probably show up in those logs, right?
[02:39] <qman__> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[02:39] <pmatulis> ah
[02:39] <pmatulis> development
[02:39] <qman__> well, do-release-upgrade doesn't work yet
[02:39] <qman__> since 10.04.1 isn't out yet
[02:40] <pmatulis> i don't understand
[02:40] <kklimonda> qman__: may be a transitory problem with some kernel update in lucid
[02:40] <qman__> without the -d, I get no updates available
[02:40] <pmatulis> why do you need 10.04.1 to upgrade to 10.04?
[02:40] <kklimonda> qman__: linux-image-2.6.32-24-386 is still in lucid-proposed
[02:41] <qman__> hmm
[02:41] <pmatulis> oh, maybe you have -proposed enabled
[02:43] <qman__> I didn't check that the latest version existed for -386
[02:43] <qman__> just that there was a -386 in lucid
[02:44] <qman__> that could very well be the problem
[02:45] <qman__> I really ought to just scrap the thing and get something newer, but it just won't die
[02:45] <qman__> hard to argue with that
[02:47] <qman__> looks like it's also in updates
[02:47] <qman__> so I could probably upgrade from the alternate CD and then update
[03:08] <A-KO> I upgraded to Karmic from Jaunty and it seems that my apache ssl site broke--and I can't figure out why....I hadn't made any changes to the files, and I'm pretty sure I had the upgrade not make any changes to conf files......I've had a few things it spit out to me, like Can't find a certificate (even though it's there)...
[03:25] <overrider> Ufw logs port scans and such to ufw.log, but they also appear in /var/log/messages. I cannot find syslog.conf, so what does Ubuntu use for logging and where can i control what gets logged to where?
[03:28] <overrider> Ok its rsyslog now. jeez
[04:42] <Marco2> :-D
[05:38] <ideaman> anyone around that can help me figure out how to get my first UEC running? .. i'm not having any luck after two days of trying
[05:38] <ideaman> my availability scan continues to show 0000/0000 for all instance sizes
[05:38] <ideaman> I've tried a 2 physical machine setup, and now today tried a single machine setup (just for dev/testing)
[05:39] <ideaman> i tried the eucalyptus channel, but it seems dead
[05:39] <webPragmatist> hrm
[05:39] <webPragmatist> whats the preferred mta for use with php / sendmail
[05:40] <ideaman> sendmail is an mta...
[05:40] <webPragmatist> right… well
[05:41] <webPragmatist> i think i was using exim now
[05:41] <webPragmatist> before*
[05:41] <ideaman> exim or postfix are good
[05:41] <ideaman> sendmail is more mta than most people need, and one of the harder ones to configure
[05:42] <webPragmatist> hrm
[05:42] <webPragmatist> uhm
[05:42] <ideaman> i haven't setup a sendmail mta for years now.. mostly postfix myself
[05:42] <webPragmatist> does each mta implement the command sendmail though
[05:43] <webPragmatist> for php to user?
[05:43] <webPragmatist> use*
[05:44] <webPragmatist> i don't really care which mta i use… sendmail looked complicated like you said and by default didn't seem to allow localhost sending through any domain
[05:45] <ideaman> i'm fairly sure postfix will work fine with php
[05:45] <ideaman> like 99%
[05:47] <ideaman> http://forums.opensuse.org/archives/sf-archives/archives-network-internet/330706-sendmail-postfix-php-ini.html
[05:48] <webPragmatist> well okay my next question
[05:48] <webPragmatist> i tried to purge sendmail … and it left a bunch of crap
[05:48] <webPragmatist> how do i delete that crap
[05:49] <ideaman> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=170309
[05:50] <ideaman> post #4
[05:50] <webPragmatist> why doesn't purge sendmail remove the stupid dependencies
[05:50] <ideaman> are you using aptitude or apt-get?
[05:52] <ideaman> aptitude will generally offer to remove unrequired dependencies... apt-get you probably need to use apt-get autoremove, if it recognizes the un-needed packages
[05:53] <webPragmatist> bleh i got it
[05:54] <webPragmatist> ideaman: okay so i'm going through this postfix installer… should i put the fqdn if it's just used as outgoing mail?
[05:55] <ideaman> mhm.. probably, since otherwise local mail probably won't be handled properly
[05:58] <ideaman> you don't actually need to run an MTA on your server... you could follow what that other post said, and use the PHP Pear::Mail package and set it up to use SMTP instead
[05:59] <ideaman> setting up your own MTA may provide unwanted issues such as a) configuration is difficult if you don't setup MTA's on a regular basis b) your IP can be black-listed in SPAMCOP lists, etc
[05:59] <ideaman> c) security issues
[06:00] <ideaman> for simplicity using a module that just supports SMTP, and using your ISP's MTA may be the best choice
[06:25] <scar> why when i run 'apt-get upgrade' is the linux kernel held back? how to install that update?
[06:29] <ideaman> apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:34] <scar> ideaman, i see. thanks
[06:42] <webPragmatist> ideaman: yea i prefer to run the mta
[06:43] <webPragmatist> mainly because our mail server is about as reliable as … eh something
[06:43] <webPragmatist> I swear I used exim before i think and got less flack … now i have messages stuck in the queue
[06:44] <webPragmatist> Jul 24 00:40:37 new357715 postfix/smtp[1306]: connect to mydomain.mxlogic.net:25: Connection refused
[06:44] <webPragmatist> is it trying to send outgoing to an smtp? i'm confused
[06:45] <ideaman> yes, sounds like its trying to send an email (maybe a failed delivery notice?) to mydomain.mxlogic.net
[06:45] <ideaman> mhm, YOUR MTA is trying to contact the MTA on mydomain.mxlogic.net
[06:46] <ideaman> if mydomain.mxlogic.net is your server, or the fqdn you used in one of your config files, that could be your own machine its trying to contact
[06:46] <ideaman> without realizing its one in the same machine
[06:46] <ideaman> anotherwords it doesn't think its local email
[07:26] <ruben23> hi guys i planned to setup a mail server- with 60 users, any server specs you can recommend for this..?
[08:29] <Nafallo> ruben23: Pentium 75 or higher should be okay.
[08:34] <silentwhisper> any one here patient enough to guide me in setting up postfix
[08:34] <silentwhisper> im totally noob
[08:35] <silentwhisper> actually i already installed it
[08:35] <silentwhisper> need help in troubleshooting
[08:44] <SandGorgon> anybody running hi guys.. what are some of the cheaper/free clickstream (user-path navigational analysis tools) that I can use with nginx ?
[08:45] <SandGorgon> silentwhisper, just a suggestion if you are purely looking for a mail solution - check out Lamson mail server. Written in pure python
[08:51] <silentwhisper> no downtime? and easy to setup?
[09:36] <overrider> How to get a list of services that startup during boot?
[11:01] <SandGorgon> silentwhisper, any success with mail ?
[11:12] <silentwhisper> no not yet still reading manuals
[11:12] <silentwhisper> about postfix
[11:13] <silentwhisper> whew
[12:11] <foxiness> is it possible that i find a store to sell servers with ready made ubuntu-server edition? "  i have checked hp dell ibm website and more "
[12:26] <tarvid> foxiness, we build our own and could build what you need
[12:28] <tarvid> generic servers are easy to build, maybe all you need is support
[12:28] <foxiness> tarvid, now i'm in the dell website , i try to customize my server
[12:29] <foxiness> with no OS installed " why on earth Dell do not write a line about ubuntu server! "
[12:30] <tarvid> I find it more cost-effective to simply buy the parts, assemble and load
[12:31] <tarvid> servers come in flavors depending on purpose but the general purpose is to shovel data from the hard disk to an Ethernet port
[12:33] <tarvid> in general, one is better off with two servers than one expensive server
[12:34] <tarvid> speculating on the relationship between Dell and Ubuntu is not fruitful
[12:41] <foxiness> tarvid, I liked the idea " DIY " , will be a new experience for me
[12:45] <tarvid> http://www.ls.net/content/reference-windows-server-upgrade was for a Windows client
[12:48] <tarvid> Some prices are down, Windows Server is unnecessary, might be more useful to build 2 instead of the eSata backup
[14:35] <VeeCount> hiall!
[14:37] <VeeCount> i've just installed Ubuntu Cloud Controller and there are some things that make me confused: dhcp and dns servers have been installed, but i have those on another server, will eucalyptus or something crash if i deinstall these services?
[14:40] <VeeCount> do i have to make some special configuration of the existing dhcpd so the cloud could work properly?
[14:41] <VeeCount> again, the apache server has been installed, can i use nginx instead for examle?
[14:41] <VeeCount> anyone alive here on saturday? =)
[14:45] <VeeCount> and netstat tells me that there are over 200 connections established like this tcp        0      0 <IP_ADDRESS>:9001          <IP_ADDRESS>:53947         ESTABLISHED
[14:45] <VeeCount> looks scary =)
[15:28] <andyltm> How can I determine what is using all the memory on my ubuntu-server?
[19:01] <ruben23> any application mail that is ready na dhandy to deploy.
[19:02] <dominicdinada> need a hand with samba all of a sudden after the update 2 days ago my samba server isnt working, a check of the results shows that now it is erroring on a few things such as the user/pass files etc...
[19:03] <RoyK> ruben23: see the server guide https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/email-services.html
[19:03] <RoyK> dominicdinada: pastebin your config and give detailed info about the environment, and perhaps someone can help ;)
[19:04] <dominicdinada> RoyK: how about this i pastebin the errors... and tell you about how the update 2 days ago remapped the drives ???
[19:06] <RoyK> dominicdinada: sure, but we need details to help. something like 'can someone help me?' doesn't say much about the problems
[19:07] <dominicdinada> i do believe i detailed everything going on..... now to show u how strict my config is........
[19:08] <RoyK> dominicdinada: you haven's said what changes you have made, not said what sort of samba config you have, you have merely said it doesn't work...
[19:09] <RoyK> dominicdinada: for a start, pastebin smb.conf and tell us what you have changed, and perhaps, maybe, someone can help
[19:10] <dominicdinada> RoyK: instead of wasting the time typing and telling me what i havent done ReRead that i wrote that when updated 2 days ago the update forced me to remapped the hard drives.... etc
[19:10] <dominicdinada> and ill finish getting the config and log pastebinned
[19:12] <dominicdinada> RoyK: http://pastebin.com/k2yKZgV3
[19:14] <RoyK> that's the shortest smb.conf I've ever seen :þ
[19:14] <dominicdinada> i said i wasnt posting the whole thing...
[19:15] <RoyK> well, I have no idea. anyway, if showing your smb.conf file is a security threat, then something is terribly fucked up with your systems.
[19:15] <RoyK> so, you're on your own
[19:16] <dominicdinada> RoyK: all the info u need has been given, Thanks for wasting my time. Ignored
[19:16] <RoyK> lol
[20:26] <ruben23> hi any directory service for ubuntu desktop like 100 units.
[20:26] <ruben23> where i can manage users login and pasword
[20:26] <ruben23> with domain
[20:33] <RoyK> ldap?
[20:58] <ruben23> RoyK: anyapplication that uses ldap..?
[21:00] <webPragmatist> how can i find out what ip postfix is using to send outgoing mail
[21:29] <Maletor> I want to smash my volume group and all lvms in it. So I guess
[21:29] <Maletor>                  this means I have to boot from live usb and mount /dev/md1 ?
[21:29] <Maletor>                  Then chroot ? Then delete the lvm then the vg then remove from
[21:29] <Maletor>                  fstab? Only thing is I'm confused about the chroot...
[21:30] <Maletor> (without line breaks) I want to smash my volume group and all lvms in it. So I guess this means I have to boot from live usb and mount /dev/md1 ? Then chroot ? Then delete the lvm then the vg then remove from fstab? Only thing is I'm confused about the chroot...
[23:33] <RoyK> webPragmatist: postfix will, by default, try to use dns lookups to send mail to other places. if you need it to pass it through a relay host, configure a smart relay host


[06:51] <dholbach> good morning
[06:55] <ajmitch> morning dholbach
[06:56] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[06:56] <dholbach> made it back in one piece?
[06:56] <ajmitch> I think so
[06:56] <ajmitch> how was your flight home?
[06:57] <dholbach> not too bad - direct flight to Frankfurt, then took the train to Berlin
[06:57] <geser> dholbach, ajmitch: good morning/evening and welcome back :)
[06:57] <ajmitch> hey geser :)
[06:57] <dholbach> when I arrived last night in Berlin I thought "you're so tired, you'll sleep until the morning - you'll be fine"
[06:57] <ajmitch> hah
[06:57] <dholbach> apparently I was wrong about that :-P
[06:58] <ajmitch> doesn't work like that, does it?
[06:58]  * ajmitch has the remnants of the dreaded ubuflu, didn't make flying a lot of fun
[06:58] <dholbach> at least I managed to dodge that bullet
[06:59] <dholbach> so I won't complain too much about waking up at 1:50 :)
[06:59]  * ajmitch was worried that he left the laptop charger at the hotel, but it was buried at the bottom of the suitcase
[07:02] <philipballew> i did the same with the laptop ajmitch . Without it, my laptoo is just a doorstop
[11:26] <menesis> nvidia-current
[13:58] <highvoltage> good morning
[13:59] <vibhav> o/
[14:00] <Laney> greetings highvoltage
[14:00] <vibhav> Laney: You work for Canonical?
[14:01] <Laney> allegedly
[14:01] <vibhav> allegedly?
[14:05] <bregma_> I think he's referring to the "work" part
[14:06] <Laney> :-)
[14:07] <vibhav> I still did not get it, but congrats!
[15:45] <highvoltage> broder: we should talk about those facebook ads some time :)
[15:45] <highvoltage> does G+ have ads yet? (I don't see any but that might be a plugin), would be nice to compare the results of the two
[15:59]  * tumbleweed has a feeling that he's got a late showing of ubuflu
[16:04] <highvoltage> tumbleweed: you should probably take a day to recover before it ruins your holiday. I had ubuflu emerging on wednesday and just ate lots of fruit, drank lots of water, took one of dolbach's pills and went to bed early and I was fine again in the morning
[17:55] <sladen>  /win goto kuroi
[18:33] <broder> highvoltage: yes, definitely. i think we may need to rope in dholbach or someone else with bits on the ubuntu page to do it properly
[18:35] <highvoltage> yeah
[21:27] <jtaylor> is there a git-completions equivalent for bzr?
[21:30] <broder> jtaylor: eval "$(bzr bash-completion)"
[21:31] <broder> (is that what you're asking about?)
[21:32] <jtaylor> broder: thx, I'm actually searching for the PS1 status stuff git-completion provides
[21:32] <broder> ah, wasn't familiar with that. nvm, then :)
[21:33] <jtaylor> you should I consider its one of gits killer features :)
[21:35] <jtaylor> hm its probably not such a good idea given that bzr st takes ~ 0.5s on a regular sized repo
[22:09] <lifeless> jtaylor: do you have the C extensions?
[22:09] <lifeless> jtaylor: if so, then it might be a slow plugin


[12:56] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:56] <d4n137> good morning folks.
[14:05] <d4n137> maybe someone here can answer a question:  Now that tomboy has been removed from 12.04, what does it mean for the Ubuntu One Tomboy integration?
[14:39] <BluesKaj> d4n37 , Tomboy is still available in 12.04
[14:39] <BluesKaj> oops


[00:12] <tester_> im trying to dual boot windows 7 and blackbuntu.  i have a c drive and then 373 gbs of unallocated space.  how can i put linux on the allocated space?
[00:15] <urlin2u> ubuntu only and cross posting is not appreciated
[01:23] <theunsureguy> just use WUBI
[01:24] <theunsureguy> whoops misread ur post
[02:10] <r4y> I am wondering, is there a way to send text messages to my brother's phone using Ubuntu Linux on my computer from for free?
[02:11] <philipballew> r4y, google voice?
[02:11] <mbaxter> hi all
[02:11] <r4y> checking
[02:11] <philipballew> yes mbaxter
[02:12] <r4y> Neat. Thank you for the info
[02:13] <r4y> I pulled my back, so getting my brother's number would be too much work right now, ha ha, o well.
[02:14] <philipballew> check for it on facebook?
[02:15] <r4y> I am not on Facebook
[02:16] <philipballew> oh, just assuming
[02:16] <r4y> It's cool.
[02:16] <mbaxter> dos any one know how to chang the login screen backround on ubuntu
[02:16] <r4y> I have the info somewhere
[02:17] <r4y> I am looking
[02:18] <philipballew> mbaxter, 11.04?
[02:18] <mbaxter> ya
[02:19] <r4y> Well, I know I had the info somewhere. I will Google then
[02:19] <r4y> http://maketecheasier.com/change-login-and-boot-screen-in-ubuntu-lucid/2010/05/13
[02:20] <mbaxter> thanks ill give it a try
[02:20] <r4y> It works great, but the second command needs to be used to keep the menu from popping up at login
[02:21] <r4y> I meant this command
[02:21] <r4y> sudo unlink /usr/share/gdm/autostart/LoginWindow/gnome-appearance-properties.desktop
[02:22] <mbaxter> alright thanks ill going to give it a try now
[02:22] <mbaxter> :)
[02:22] <r4y> Cool, see ya
[02:31] <r4y> Help:
[02:32] <r4y> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/add-google-voice-alerts-to-the-ubuntu-messaging-menu/
[02:32] <r4y> Once installed you'll find the notifier sat in your Messaging Menu just waiting to be configured.
[02:32] <r4y> where?
[02:32] <r4y> Messaging menu?
[02:33] <r4y> Evolution?, or what?
[02:34] <r4y> I don't use evolution. In fact I got rid of the tray icon for it.
[02:36] <r4y> Empathy then I guess it seems
[02:37] <r4y> I am confused, do I use an email address I have? or?
[02:39] <r4y> OK, I think I understand now, never mind
[02:40] <philipballew> r4y, talkin to yourself?
[02:40] <r4y> LOL, yep
[02:40] <r4y> I got it figured out.
[02:45] <r4y> OK, now I need help
[02:46] <philipballew> r4y, whats up
[02:46] <r4y> I clicked chat, then new call, then next to contact ID, do I use phone numbers there?
[02:46] <philipballew> gv?
[02:47] <r4y> it's in empathy, but maybe Empathy is the wrong program to be using for Google voice
[02:47] <philipballew> i use googlevoice.com
[02:47] <r4y> Maybe it's a commandline program?
[02:47] <r4y> O, OK, I will try that instead.
[02:48] <r4y> Can I do it from my Gmail account?
[02:48] <r4y> I guess not
[02:49] <r4y> Thank you for the help.
[02:49] <philipballew> yeah, you can call
[02:50] <r4y> I don't have to have a phone for this, do I?
[02:50] <philipballew> idk
[02:50] <philipballew> this is non-ubuntu now
[02:50] <philipballew> so im not to sure
[02:50] <r4y> Well,  I will try. And you are right, sorry.
[02:51] <philipballew> i can help non ubuntu if the channel isnt busy
[02:58] <r4y> arg, I can't get past the registration, because of the letter image box which I have done at least 7 or so times now.
[02:59] <r4y> Do capital letters matter
[02:59] <philipballew> for what?
[03:00] <r4y> Finally I got past the registration for Google Talk.
[03:00] <r4y> You know the letter box thingy to verify that I am a human.
[03:01] <philipballew> hum. thats cool
[03:02] <r4y> I meant GV, not GT
[04:23] <r4y> Well anyway, I've got to go. Thank you for the help. Phil.
[04:24] <r4y> O, never mind Phil left
[05:16] <ScottSanbar> Hi, all.  Is there a way to change my default desktop from Gnome to Unity via the command line or an application available after login from the Gnome desktop?
[05:18] <M0hi> I dont think that you can shift without logging out. lemme search though
[05:19] <zkriesse> ScottSanbar: There is a way you can shift it via the Login Menu options in your settings menu
[05:19] <zkriesse> System -> Settings -> Login Menu i think it is
[05:20] <M0hi> Zach, aww I thought he wanted to shift the desktop :|. my bad
[05:20] <M0hi> that can be done in login menu
[05:24] <ScottSanbar> zkriesse, M0hi: Clicking on System->Administration->Login Settings gives a dialog box entirely grayed out except for a button called "unlock", which does nothing.  Could this be because I am not logged in on my console desktop?  I do not have a keyboard or mouse attached to the Ubuntu PC, hence the problem.
[05:24] <zkriesse> Most likely
[05:25] <ScottSanbar> Bummer, I guess I'll have to move my keyboard/mouse over to my Ubuntu box whenever I want to switch and just do it at the login screen :(
[05:25] <philipballew> ScottSanbar, whats the problem?
[05:25] <zkriesse> Well if you can unlock the login settings menu you can choose a default option there
[05:25] <zkriesse> <-- neil1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.)
[05:26] <zkriesse> --> neil1<EMAIL_ADDRESS>has joined #ubuntu-beginners
 Hi, all.  Is there a way to change my default desktop from Gnome to Unity via the command line or an application available after login from the Gnome desktop?
 I dont think that you can shift without logging out. lemme search though
 ScottSanbar: There is a way you can shift it via the Login Menu options in your settings menu
 System -> Settings -> Login Menu i think it is
 Zach, aww I thought he wanted to shift the desktop :|. my bad
 that can be done in login menu
 zkriesse, M0hi: Clicking on System->Administration->Login Settings gives a dialog box entirely grayed out except for a button called "unlock", which does nothing.  Could this be because I am not logged in on my console desktop?  I do not have a keyboard or mouse attached to the Ubuntu PC, hence the problem.
 Most likely
[05:26] <zkriesse> philipballew: see above
[05:26] <philipballew> nice!
[05:30] <ScottSanbar> I have been running Ubuntu 11.04 since 9/11 without a keyboard or mouse, with only 1 reboot due to an upgrade.  I use TightVNC server and RealVNC.
[05:31] <philipballew> so your logging into it from windows?
[05:32] <ScottSanbar> Yes.  I also use XMing/Putty for an initial ssh terminal window if I need to configure something to get the full Desktop working via VNC, or quick and dirty stuff or to individual windows for things like FireFox, etc. floating around on my Dual Screen Windows Machine outside the RealVNC Gnome Desktop window.
[05:33] <philipballew> you should go to say a thrift store and a keybord will be cheep
[05:34] <ScottSanbar> I also set up XDMCP but XMing does not handle that very well, and you lose the desktop if you disconnect (like when I reboot my Windows PC) which is not the case with VNC.
[05:36] <philipballew> try vnc through ssh
[05:36] <ScottSanbar> I do not have room for 2 keyboards anywhere.  I will get a KVM switch on ebay probably, if it becomes a problem, but so far it really has been no problem at all - I just haven't needed to hook up a keyboard or mouse at all and prefer to have my Windows and Ubuntu desktops all on the same 2 screens.
[05:37] <ScottSanbar> why?
[05:38] <ScottSanbar> (not a problem except for the Unity/Gnome switch, that is)
[05:40] <ScottSanbar> philipballew: I am curious why you mention VNC through ssh - for security?
[05:41] <philipballew> yeah. exactly
[05:41] <philipballew> it is what everyone in #ubuntu-server tells me to do
[05:42] <ScottSanbar> Oh, I am on my home network, which is behind 2 firewalls and no wireless, with no ports open to the outside.  Should I still be concerned?
[05:44] <ScottSanbar> I can answer my own question - there is a definite possibilyt someone could hack into my network, especially with my IPs exposed to potential hackers all over IRC now, so being careful is a good idea in all I do.  I will take your advice, philipballew, and set it up that way.  Thanks.
[05:45] <philipballew> actually ScottSanbar I hacked your network yesterday
[05:45] <philipballew> 6 times
[05:45] <philipballew> jk
[05:45] <ScottSanbar> I really have no idea how hard it would be to hack my network - don't know much about that stuff.
[05:46] <philipballew> its do able if someone wants
[05:46] <ScottSanbar> Well, that's really nice to know :(
[05:47] <ScottSanbar> How long would it usually take for a typical home network setup?
[05:47] <philipballew> hard to say. I did my parents in 30 minutes
[05:47] <ScottSanbar> did they have a hardware firewall?
[05:48] <philipballew> no they did not
[05:48] <philipballew> I want to install one of those.
[05:48] <philipballew> whats a good way to
[05:49] <ScottSanbar> Well, I can give you a great link that will really help you if you want.  These are not being produced anymore and area real bargain
[05:49] <philipballew> go for it
[05:51] <ScottSanbar> http://www.amazon.com/Cisco-Linksys-WRT320N-Dual-Band-Wireless-N-Gigabit/dp/tech-data/B001SEL326
[05:54] <philipballew> could I make a desktop a firewall
[05:54] <philipballew> a really strong one
[05:56] <ScottSanbar> I am sorry, I do not know much about that - I would think you could use a desktop with a version of Linux specifically made to be a firewall.  I believe there is a Wikipedia page that has a list of all the various linux distros and could point you to those specifically made for firewalling.
[05:57] <ScottSanbar> I am pretty sure it would probably be a bad idea to use a standard version of multi-purpose Linux as a firewall, but not really certain or all that informed about that.
[05:58] <philipballew> me wither
[05:58] <philipballew> (either
[05:58] <ScottSanbar> You would need to have 2 NICs or a NIC or motherboard with 2 ethernet ports, though.
[06:00] <ScottSanbar> ebay might have decent routers, and if you did not need the wireless, you could get one for less than the link I posted.
[06:00] <philipballew> I have a router
[06:00] <philipballew> I put ddwrt on it
[06:01] <ScottSanbar> or less (or only 1) ethernet ports for the internal network
[06:04] <ScottSanbar> I looked it up - looks interesting - how well does it work?  http://grc.com
[06:07] <philipballew> whats the link?
[06:07] <philipballew> ddwrt is great!
[06:07] <philipballew> its new router firmware
[06:08]  * ApOgEE vote OpenWRT
[06:09] <ScottSanbar> Gibson Research Corporation - he is the guy who made SpinRite.  He is really into security now.  He has a link on there you can click on to get to a web page that will test your firewall for security.  Very helpful. Also, he has lots of informational stuff and just about everything you would ever want to knwo is there about internet security.
[06:09] <ScottSanbar> Steve Gibson - writes everthing in assembler still, even GuI and web stuff.
[06:13]  * ScottSanbar is cooking a turkey burger
[06:16] <zkriesse> @ ScottSanbar I had a steamed Sweet Potato, half of a Acorn Squash, and some grilled Asparagus soaked in olive oil with garlic for dinner
[06:17] <ScottSanbar> skriesse: Ok, so make me feel bad - I'm on my third turkey burger going for four - just the meat only ...
[06:18] <ScottSanbar> s/skriesse/zkriesse/
[06:18] <zkriesse> Lol
[06:18] <zkriesse> Well I'm actually on a Juice/Veggie/Fruit diet
[06:18] <ScottSanbar> hey, at least its turkey instead of beef ... :)
[06:19] <ScottSanbar> I am on a McDonald's/Whataburger/Potato Chips and whatever else will kill me sooner diet
[06:19] <M0hi> ScottSanbar: you can call him with any name lol
[06:19] <M0hi> skriesse aka zkriesse :P
[06:21] <ScottSanbar> zkriesse:  actually, these turkey burgers are really yummy - preformed patties that come in vacuum sealed packs of two in a big carton of them dirt cheap from Wal-Mart.  I am sold!
[06:21] <zkriesse> ScottSanbar: I know what they are
[06:22] <zkriesse> I've had them
[06:22] <zkriesse> I've lost weight though doing what I'm doing + it's HEALTHY
[06:22] <zkriesse> Was 185 now down to 173, 30lbs to go
[06:23] <ScottSanbar> zkriesse:  That is wonderful - congratulations!!!  I am actually dieting somewhat, and have lost 20-30 pounds, up and down, from 340 to 310 or so.
[06:24] <ScottSanbar> 4 years ago my fighting weight was 230-240, and I do well with that when I am in shape, so I've got 80-90 pounds to go.
[06:25]  * ScottSanbar feeds dog turkey
[06:26] <Snicksie> does he like it ScottSanbar ? :D
[06:27] <ScottSanbar> Hi, Snicksie - I do not think she even tastes it - just inhales it ... :D
[06:27] <Snicksie> :p
[06:28] <ScottSanbar> Her name is Lacy and she is my miniature poodle.  Best dog I have ever had, only small one I have ever had.
[06:29] <Snicksie> nice :)
[06:29] <Snicksie> yay, back to school tomorrow :p
[06:32] <ScottSanbar> My son seems to really be enjoying college.
[06:42] <M0hi> First person that I am seeing, who is happy to goto school. lol
[06:51] <Snicksie> yeah, i've not always been happy about it M0hi :)
[06:51] <Snicksie> but I learn the cool stuff, like programming etcetera :p
[06:52] <Snicksie> I'll go to buy some food
[06:56] <M0hi> hmmm k
[07:52] <nit> hi everyone.. can i possibly know how to add my change of code in the ubuntu os?
[11:03] <new-ubuntu-user> hiiiiii
[11:04] <stlsaint> new-ubuntu-user: hello
[11:04] <new-ubuntu-user>  does anyone know how to install vodafone mobile connect modem on ubuntu 11.04?
[11:04] <new-ubuntu-user> im quite new to the whole ubuntu os
[11:07] <stlsaint> new-ubuntu-user: i personally have never done it
[11:07] <head_victim> new-ubuntu-user: you should just be able to plug it in and set it up with network manager, are you able to say what model of modem it is?
[11:09] <stlsaint> new-ubuntu-user: and what version of ubuntu are you running?
[11:22] <new-ubuntu-user> 11.04
[11:25] <stlsaint> new-ubuntu-user: a quick search suggest that you should check out the vodafone website for connect drivers
[11:25] <new-ubuntu-user> okay thanks a lot stlsaint
[11:25] <stlsaint> aye i prolly should have re-read your OP before asking what version smh
[11:26] <stlsaint> new-ubuntu-user: if you have questions about installing feel free to check back here
[11:26] <new-ubuntu-user> thanks a lot :)
[11:27] <stlsaint> np
[16:41] <ashams> is there an Ubuntu edition for mobile devices?
[21:54] <ScottSanbar> I have been using byobu.  When I first started using it, it worked fine.  Now, whenever I using it all the byobu sessions are the same screen - if I exit one, I exit them all, and any activity on one is reflected on all.  ?????
[22:24] <ScottSanbar> OK, after futzing with it I figured out how it works - that is the intended behaviour, I create a new byobu screen with F2, then can use all the terminal windows to see all the byobu screen windows with F3, F4, etc.
[22:30] <ScottSanbar> For those who use TightVNC server for VNC access to Linux, here is the way to get the clipboard to work:  install autocutsel (sudo apt-get install autocutsel) then add the following line just before the line that starts your xsession or whateveer in ~/.vnc/xstartup:  "autocutsel&" - works like a charm!
[22:32] <ScottSanbar> Does anyone here use XMing?
[22:32] <ScottSanbar> or PuTTY?
[22:33] <Unit193> I have done so, but not for a little bit
[22:33] <ScottSanbar> Unit193: I have had to stop using it because it screws up Windows.  I was wondering if anyone else had problems with it.
[22:35] <ScottSanbar> I just realized this was not an Ubuntu problem.  Sorry.
[22:36] <Unit193> For the record, I didn't really have major issues with it.
[22:37] <ScottSanbar> It worked fine for a while, then started causing random slowdowns with key entry and mouse usage.  When I closed it, the problems went away.  Happened several times.  Worked fine for a long time, though.  Kind of weird.
[22:38] <ScottSanbar> I figured out byobu finally, and it is very nice to use.


[15:59] <teeks99> I've got an Allwinner A10 chip (in a HDMI dongle), which is a Cortex A8 (ARMv7). The image I see on releases.ubuntu.com says it's an armhf+omap4....does that mean the omap part is optional and it will work with any armhf?
[16:09] <infinity> teeks99: Our userspace will work with any ARMv7, but you'll need to bring your own kernel, we don't ship an A10 kernel.
[16:15] <teeks99> i see
[16:16] <teeks99> so kernels are specific to manufacturers?
[16:30] <infinity> teeks99: Sadly, at this point, yes.  And often specific to device, not just SoC.
[16:30] <infinity> teeks99: Work is ongoing to make that not true, but some OEMs play better on the generic multiplatform kernel front than others.
[16:31] <teeks99> i see
[16:32] <teeks99> so TI's omap4 is the only one that is officially supported?
[16:32] <teeks99> with 13.04
[16:33] <infinity> And via the generic kernel, a few others (Calxeda highbank, Freescale i.MX6, TI OMAP3, ARM vexpress...)
[16:33] <infinity> But not the A10, sorry.
[16:36] <teeks99> so what's currently the cheapest one I could get to try out?
[16:38] <infinity> A Beagleboard-xM (OMAP3) or Pandaboard (OMAP4) might still be your best bets, if you don't feel comfortably rolling your own kernel.
[16:39] <infinity> The iMX6 SabreLite will outperform both, but installing to one isn't foolproof.  I should probably fix that when I find some Spare Time(tm).
[16:39] <teeks99> cool, thanks for the tips
[17:16] <das_plague> no recommendation for beaglebone black?
[17:26] <infinity> prpplague: I'd happily recommend it if I knew we shipped a kernel/installer that worked out of the box with it, since the above user wasn't comfy with fiddling with his own kernels.
[17:27] <prpplague> infinity: which brings me to the point.... why can't get a out of the box installation for black?
[17:27] <infinity> prpplague: In fact, if someone can tell us what we need to do to make the generic multiplatform kernel happy on the Black, I'd be happy to get it going and add installer support for it.  Though, it might help if I had a device. :/
[17:27]  * prpplague bangs head on desk
[17:28] <prpplague> infinity: i've been emailing and calling for two weeks to canonical trying to get this done
[17:28] <infinity> prpplague: SRSLY?  To whom?
[17:28] <infinity> (Clearly not me)
[17:54] <armin76> lol
[17:54] <armin76> bureaucracy