[04:30] <tyrese> ever since I saw my first episode of Star Trek - I have longed for universal desktops for all PC architectures, and now, FINALY ubuntu is here!
[04:30] <devscott> tyrese: now she wants a hardware upgrade and wants me to purchase a license... it's getting scary
[04:30] <stephen_> membreya: it first does like 15 correct, then decides to fail the last few which are my debian sources
[04:30] <Fast240Z> I'm trying to figure out how to set up my package manager to handle restricted packages off of the net
[04:31] <cryptoknight> hello
[04:31] <nickoli> hello
[04:31] <Red_Tide> I have a driver that requires /lib/modules/2.6.10/build/include/linux/version.h which does not exits in ubuntu what can I do about it?
[04:31] <tolar> hello
[04:31] <cryptoknight> i have a question if anyone minds helping?
[04:31] <tolar> i followed the ubuntu directions to install the linux source code, but my vpn client says: Directory "/usr/src/linux" doesn't appear to contain kernel source.
[04:31] <stephen_> membreya: can you send me the debootstrap link again?
[04:31] <Fast240Z> good luck, it's madness in her
[04:31] <Fast240Z> *here
[04:32] <nickoli> haha tru dat
[04:32] <membreya> stephen_: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DebootstrapChroot
[04:32] <Null> ok I did lsmod, but no pcmcia shows up
[04:32] <tyrese> devscott, My GF has a iMac G5 .. actually, that's my G5, came off my credit card, and I have a two G4s, and 10 PC's, and each one now looks the same, no more of this *My Computer is better than yours* crap!
[04:32] <cryptoknight> i am just trying to figure out the default mailman password in ubuntu
[04:32] <cryptoknight> i cant seem to find it anywhere
[04:32] <Red_Tide> just ask cryptoknight im sure ppl will try and answer
[04:32] <devscott> tyrese: lol
[04:32] <tyrese> Reason, I got 10 PC's is because i do LAN parties!
[04:32] <Fast240Z> lol, I just need help setting up my sources for my package manager
[04:32] <cryptoknight> i am used to the "normal" linux users heh
[04:32] <nickoli> with yourself
[04:32] <tyrese> and yes, my electic bill is DISGUSTING!
[04:32] <borgista> tyrese: and what does one do at a LAN party?
[04:32] <stephen_> membreya: any idea on why those sources are failing in apt?
[04:32] <nickoli> hang out
[04:32] <Red_Tide> sorry I have always used online mail services so I have no idea
[04:33] <membreya> no idea sorry stephen_ :(
[04:33] <Null> devscott: I did lsmod, but no PCMCIA shows up
[04:33] <Fast240Z> lol, I've used mandrake, but totally new to anything debian based
[04:33] <kkathman> anyone know how to access a samba share from the terminal?
[04:33] <devscott> Anyone know of any good howto's on LDAP servers under ubuntu... the wiki is lacking
[04:33] <cryptoknight> me to Fast240Z
[04:33] <tyrese> borgista, Unreal Tornament, Halo, Quake Arena !
[04:33] <cryptoknight> kkathman,  smbmount
[04:33] <kkathman> cryptoknight: thank you very much :)
[04:33] <cryptoknight> or mount -t smbfs //server/share \mount\point
[04:33] <tyrese> Fast240Z, debian based distros are the future!
[04:33] <nekohayooo> tyrese, why don't you start an ubuntu-internet-caf during the day? XD
[04:34] <Fast240Z> yeah, that's what my buddy said
[04:34] <devscott> Null: from the command line do a   sudo /etc/init.d/pcmica restart
[04:34] <tyrese> nekohayoo, I already have an internet cafe!
[04:34] <nickoli> whats a prog to try my jre on
[04:34] <nekohayooo> good! XD
[04:34] <Fast240Z> I wanted something that work would with my wireless card, and ubuntu happened to be the solution
[04:34] <cryptoknight> i got hooked on the bootable ver
[04:34] <cryptoknight> now i am switching everything over at work
[04:34] <cryptoknight> :)
[04:34] <cryptoknight> including desktops
[04:34] <tyrese> nekohayoo, and to be honest, I am SERIOUSLY considering it!
[04:35] <Fast240Z> lol, I wish I could do that, I could just imagine all of the computers at best buy running linux
[04:35] <cryptoknight> another 60 desktops :D
[04:35] <Null> devscott: it says pcmcia not present
[04:35] <tyrese> Is there anyway, that Ubuntu can be installed over a network?
[04:36] <nickoli> sure i just dont know how
[04:36] <devscott> tyrese: I saw away you can do it using the knoppix cd.
[04:36] <|PecK|> :)
[04:36] <tyrese> devscott, How would I achieve that?
[04:37] <devscott> tyrese: I'll try and dig up the link
[04:37] <tyrese> Also, I noticed that a few apps are not included, for example, nmapfe, the front end for nmap, isn't here.
[04:37] <Fast240Z> anyone know of any good documentation on ubuntu for noobs
[04:37] <lyy> test
[04:37] <membreya> Fast240Z: www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:38] <Fast240Z> thanks, I'll check it out
[04:38] <nekohayooo> still having problems with the latest nvidia driver (7174) and xorg, is there an nvidia user around? it says that the nvidia kernel modile is version 7.1.0 but the x module is 1.0.7174 (which causes an API mismatch)
[04:38] <lyy> hello
[04:38] <tyrese> cryptoknight, How did you manage to convince everyone to change to ubuntu? Was you already on a debian based network?
[04:38] <holycow> tyrese, ubuntu uses debians d-i, which has facility for a quickstart like redhat, and a number of other cool features
[04:38] <devscott> tyrese: do you have a floppy on the computer?
[04:38] <tyrese> devscott, Yes, some of them
[04:39] <Null> devscott: it says pcmcia not present
[04:39] <holycow> tyrese, research d-i, and kickstart for ubuntu on the ubuntu and google sites
[04:39] <tyrese> devscott, But not on the apple macs
[04:39] <Fast240Z> anyone know about ati and ubuntu?
[04:39] <lyy> what's the java sdk package called in synaptic? i can't seem to find it. could it be that i don't have the right repository too? i've been trying to install with apt-get install j2sdk
[04:39] <devscott> tyrese: for floppy computers http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/NetbootInstallHowto
[04:39] <tyrese> I'm still trying to find how to make custom live CD's - I've seen a few articles that claim I can do that with ubuntu
[04:40] <a_peck> tyrese, if u find a site could you msg it to me plz?
[04:40] <smouche> what about a custom install CD, tyrese? that's what I'd like...
[04:40] <membreya> lyy: it's not in synaptic
[04:40] <odyssey> tyrese, isnt there something in the wiki?
[04:41] <devscott> null: one second
[04:41] <lyy> membreya: can you suggest a way to get it ? do i have to google for it?
[04:41] <Null> k
[04:41] <membreya> lyy, you need to go to www.sun.com to download it, and if you want install instructions, go to www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:41] <devscott> tyrese: here is the network install stuff
[04:41] <devscott> tyrese: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/InstallFromKnoppixHowto
[04:42] <cryptoknight> for the record
[04:42] <cryptoknight> you have to run mmsitepass
[04:42] <cryptoknight> as ROOT
[04:42] <cryptoknight> oh well i am the IT manager
[04:42] <cryptoknight> :)
[04:42] <cryptoknight> my will is law at work
[04:42] <membreya> lyy: is it JRE or JDK you're after
[04:42] <cryptoknight> besides i put together a large presentation on the TCO of ubuntu vs windows
[04:43] <cryptoknight> and i gave everyone live cd's to play with
[04:43] <cryptoknight> which really made it nice. everyone played with them at work and took them home
[04:43] <tyrese> a_peck, of course I will! The last time I was this excited about something, I was 15 years ago, my first g/f parents where on holiday, I was drunk, she was butt naked, and it lasted only 10 minutes! lol
[04:43] <cryptoknight> but during it all i slowly started to migrate to opensource apps
[04:43] <devscott> Null: trying to find you a link
[04:43] <Null> ok thanks
[04:43] <cryptoknight> aka i moved them away from IE to firefox
[04:44] <cryptoknight> and from outlook to thunderbird
[04:44] <cryptoknight> then to open office
[04:44] <tyrese> devscott, Thanks, I'll bookmark those links right now!
[04:44] <cryptoknight> so they were very familiar with all the apps
[04:44] <a_peck> lol tyrese, make sure you don't post me the photos link! :)
[04:44] <cryptoknight> then the transition to ubuntu was........ easy
[04:44] <cryptoknight> since there was only a small learning curve to get used to the desktop
[04:44] <tyrese> a_peck, She took those photos with her!
[04:45] <a_peck> tyrese, I'm sure to get good information then :))
[04:45] <tyrese> I say BURN IE! Firefox is the way, I changed all the desktops at work to use FireFox, and no one noticed - until they asked me, where did all the popups go - that was a good day!
[04:45] <safrican> Hi I am wondering - what is the name of the next Ubuntu Release?
[04:45] <borgista> Breezy Badger
[04:45] <safrican> I've been told it was called, the "Grumpy Groundhog"
[04:45] <safrican> is that right ?
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> that's the next one
[04:46] <dazed|> Breezy Badger
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> after the next one
[04:46] <dazed|> then Grumpy
[04:46] <daniels> no, it's Breezy Badger
[04:46] <daniels> HrdwrBoB: not really.  it will probably be sorta parallelish.
[04:46] <safrican> thank you VERY much
[04:46] <Red_Tide> is there a forum for ubuntu?\
[04:46] <HrdwrBoB> daniels: ?
[04:46] <nickoli> will it be necesary to upgrade to the next ubuntu distro
[04:46] <dazed|> Red_Tide yes :)
[04:46] <borgista> Red_Tide: ubuntuforums.org
[04:46] <Red_Tide> ok thanx gonna post my problem
[04:47] <cryptoknight> how creative
[04:47] <cryptoknight> ya know thats another reason i love ubuntu
[04:47] <dazed|> Red_Tide, u can ask in here?
[04:47] <devscott> Null: do you get a sound when you plug in the card
[04:47] <cryptoknight> it seems the users and community involved with ubuntu dont have the holier than thou attitude
[04:47] <nickoli> tru dat
[04:47] <Null> devscott: no, because my sound doesn't work either
[04:47] <safrican> is there like a list of all these names for Ubuntu ?
[04:47] <dazed|> cryptoknight, we dont have it...but we are
[04:47] <dazed|> :)
[04:47] <safrican> or releases of Ubuntu ?
[04:48] <nickoli> tru
[04:48] <Red_Tide> I did i need to install a wireless driver that requires /lib/modules/2.6.10/build/include/linux/version.h which does not exist in ubuntu so im not sure what to do
[04:48] <jordanau> XFCE is beautiful
[04:48] <dazed|> safrican, they make em as they come up
[04:48] <dazed|> i think they only have the next 2
[04:48] <devscott> Null: this would be a system speaker beep
[04:48] <safrican> dazed|: ah ok - thanks! because i saw somewhere that a release "might" be called Bendy(?)
[04:48] <a_peck> safrican, why such an interest?
[04:48] <Null> devscott: no it doesnt beep
[04:48] <cryptoknight> lol dazed|
[04:48] <safrican> a_peck: just wondering
[04:49] <mathmatt> how do I connect to an OS X machine?  I used smb://x.x.x.x/servername before but it doesn't work now.
[04:49] <cryptoknight> places
[04:49] <cryptoknight> network servers
[04:49] <cryptoknight> or
[04:50] <cryptoknight> places -> connect to server
[04:50] <cryptoknight> and type in the ip address
[04:50] <tyrese> mathmatt, Have you enabled it on the mac?
[04:50] <tyrese> mathmatt, you have to enable it in the prefrences setting, I'm assuming your using Panther?
[04:52] <devscott> Null: do you have a /etc/pcmcia
[04:52] <tyrese> Are there any good CD burning/CD creation apps in the ubuntu repository?
[04:52] <linuxpoet> k3b
[04:52] <Null> devscott: yes
[04:52] <dazed|> tyreese k3b
[04:52] <devscott> what does that say?
[04:52] <devscott> null: do a cat on that
[04:53] <vasi> mathmatt, if you have SSH enabled on the Mac you can SFTP in
[04:53] <vasi> use gFTP
[04:53] <linuxpoet> O.k. I will say this, Ubuntu is a great desktop but still has a ways to go with some of the custom config and higher end stuff (dual opterons)
[04:53] <mathmatt> cryptoknight: i tried places->connect to server.  No dice
[04:53] <mathmatt> vasi: i'll try that
[04:54] <devscott> Null: read this... https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8575
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> linuxpoet, and the debian folks say it basically is forking debian and taking its own direction... i.e. hurting debian
[04:54] <devscott> Null: sounds like your suffering from that bug
[04:55] <scorpix> how can i change the settings of fonts for gtk applications(gaim)?
[04:55] <daniels> HrdwrBoB: one of the plans raised at matar was having grumpy as a 'crack of the day' suite, building from upstrema cvs and stuff
[04:55] <Null> devscott: thanks, I'll check that out and see if it helps
[04:55] <a_peck> nomasteryoda, Why should it? It will always be debian based. the community will never forget that. Ubuntu is its community too.
[04:55] <dandesmet> i have a comp with windows xp on it on one hard drive...if i have a second blank hard drive, how hard would it be for me to install it as a slave to the current one, and install ubuntu without touching my windows xp install?
[04:55] <ablyss> scorpix, font setting are controlled by the wm
[04:55] <devscott> Null: no problem. happy hacking
[04:56] <nickoli> dandesmet not that hard
[04:56] <scorpix> ablyss: i use gnome
[04:56] <ablyss> scorpix, gaim has some basic font settings but they work so well
[04:56] <HrdwrBoB> daniels: oooh sounds cool
[04:56] <dandesmet> if i make ubuntu drive the slave, which bootloader would come up when i start my computer, ntldr or grub?
[04:56] <tyrese> a_peck, The debian comminuty are quite defensive of thier distro - for example, they wont even help people who have knoppix installs
[04:57] <nickoli> dandesmet grub prob
[04:57] <ablyss> scorpix, been awhile since i used gnome, but i would think the font settings are under the system preferences somewhere
[04:57] <chavo> dandesmet, It depends on where you install grub to.
[04:57] <nickoli> dandesmet if you used a floppy then grub would come up
[04:57] <dandesmet> what if i install grub to the second hard drive?
[04:57] <dandesmet> i want to touch the xp drive as little as possible
[04:57] <nickoli> dandesmet switch the drives
[04:57] <holycow> http://www.xgitech.com/about/about_press1.asp?CTID={C3FD7D03-6BE1-4BB9-9F34-1221E723B87F}  <-- wow
[04:58] <nickoli> dandesmet put the win drive as slave and ubuntu as master
[04:58] <cryptoknight> use a floppy
[04:58] <chavo> dandesmet, install grub to the mbr of the first drive.
[04:58] <cryptoknight> easiest most non intrusive away
[04:58] <nickoli> haha tru
[04:58] <ablyss> grub didn't detect my windows partitons
[04:58] <chavo> then he'll have to edit his boot.ini
[04:58] <cryptoknight> grub has fried my box alot of times
[04:58] <ells> has anyone been able to copy home dvds to play on their home players
[04:58] <cryptoknight> yes ells
[04:58] <a_peck> tyrese, oh. but it is positive that Ubuntu adds value over debian. debian can be top-notch forever if they want, if their work is recognized by companies that generate value and businesses
[04:59] <ablyss> i use lilo now, but off mdk to boot
[04:59] <ells> cryptoknight, what did you use
[04:59] <cryptoknight> vobcopy
[04:59] <cryptoknight> and k3b
[04:59] <a_peck> tyrese, or do they have other objectives?
[04:59] <nickoli> k3b
[04:59] <holycow> a_peck, it is important however to always remind everyone that ubuntu is a 'temporary' fork because it is based on 6 month snapshots with hopefully a lot of the work going back to debian
[04:59] <nickoli> too many apps that i like are for kde
[04:59] <cryptoknight> true
[04:59] <a_peck> holycow, plus that!
[05:00] <cryptoknight> i like gnombust as well
[05:00] <holycow> based on the recent slashbot postings, i don't think anyone has a clue what ubuntu is about, they think its just another xandros
[05:00] <ells> crytpoknight, vobcopy by itself
[05:00] <dandesmet> if i install grub on the new drive, can i create an entry in windows's boot.ini to boot to the second hard drive?
[05:00] <ells> crytpoknight, how bout compression
[05:00] <nickoli> dandesmet sure
[05:00] <membreya> in rsync, doing a sudo rsync -av --exclude "/media/" / /media/downloads/Linux, that will backup everything from my root (/) but exclude /media/ correct?
[05:00] <nickoli> i dont know, i hardly have used windows
[05:00] <cryptoknight> i cheated for that ells
[05:00] <a_peck> holycow, if they don't try, they're naysayers
[05:00] <revelater> is there a program for small buisness mangement?
[05:00] <ablyss> the preferred xfce4 for ubunto is sweet. A must try for any of you who have tried it
[05:00] <cryptoknight> wine and dvdshrink
[05:00] <ells> crytpoknight, how so
[05:00] <ablyss> have/haven't
[05:00] <ells> crytpoknight, dvdshrink wont work for me
[05:00] <cryptoknight> check alllinuxinfo.com
[05:00] <crimsun> heh, I just updated xfdesktop4
[05:01] <cryptoknight> or freshmeat.net
[05:01] <cryptoknight> i am sure someone has made a decent linux shrinker
[05:01] <ells> crytpoknight, I found a website, takes a while though
[05:01] <cryptoknight> how long is a while?
[05:01] <holycow> a_peck, true, i think it needs to be upfront and key in the 'marketing speak' though, ubuntus popularty is underpinned by holding true to debian and debian ideals within reason... this also explain partly why things like xandros are not very popular
[05:01] <tyrese> dandesmet, what I would recomend, is installing the second blank hard disk in your machine, to make sure that you get all the jumpers correct, and that XP will actually boot. After that, use the ubuntu install, and make sure that you select to install on the second disk, not the first. Then install Grub, then go make yourself a cup of coffee, or maybe a shot of whiskey depending on how much trouble you went through! and don't for
[05:01] <tyrese> get to send me my fee, via paypal!
[05:01] <ells> crytpoknight, 1 hour start to finish
[05:01] <cryptoknight> ya
[05:01] <cryptoknight> that sounds about right
[05:01] <cryptoknight> even in windows it takes a good 45 min
[05:02] <cryptoknight> and thats with a dual amd 3000
[05:02] <cryptoknight> with 1 gig o ram
[05:02] <ells> crytpoknight, I did it yesterday, work good
[05:02] <ablyss> xfce mousepad editor brought piece and happiness back into my life
[05:02] <dandesmet> all i've got in the fridge is bourbon...will that work?
[05:02] <cryptoknight> and a 16x dvdrom
[05:02] <ells> crytpoknight, I have a P4, 3 gig
[05:02] <membreya> anyone?
[05:02] <nickoli> anyone what
[05:02] <Null> devscott: that bug link you sent me keeps referring to /etc/modules/ but that folder doesn't even exist, is that a problem?
[05:02] <membreya> in rsync, doing a sudo rsync -av --exclude "/media/" / /media/downloads/Linux, that will backup everything from my root (/) but exclude /media/ correct?
[05:02] <cryptoknight> remember to always use dvd-r's
[05:02] <cryptoknight> :D
[05:02] <ells> crytpoknight, why
[05:03] <tyrese> a_peck, I don't think debian users have another objective, but everyone things that thier solution, is the best solution. It's like a slap to the face to have someone take what you did, and make it a little better - they just feel....... violated - I don't expect that type of attitude from the opensource community
[05:03] <a_peck> holycow, what's important is that Ubuntu gets credible for e-business consultants, IT consultants, etc. on the make may rely on it. South of the Equator the market is huge. And Ubuntu's meaning is part of life there.
[05:03] <membreya> Null: /etc/modules is a file
[05:03] <cryptoknight> dvd-r was the first standard
[05:03] <Null> oh...
[05:03] <cryptoknight> +r came on later so not all dvd players play +r
[05:03] <nickoli> when did the ubuntu project begin
[05:03] <ells> crytpoknight, they do seem more in use ,and are more expensive
[05:03] <tyrese> nickoli, From the press release, I think it's only 6 months old
[05:03] <a_peck> tyrese, if things are clearly said, we can only hope for the best. otherwise, we need to ask for official communication.
[05:03] <cryptoknight> i get mine on sale at walmart (evil empire)
[05:03] <cryptoknight> 30 for 13 bux
[05:03] <nickoli> haha
[05:04] <a_peck> tyrese, best we can hope for and hope doing
[05:04] <cryptoknight> yes walmart is evil but they are so cheap i cant resist
[05:04] <holycow> a_peck, i run i.t. here, it's very credible with me at least, it will ge there, as long as ubuntu keeps on rolling back into debian and working with dd's closely, it's smooth sailing.
[05:04] <membreya> noone knows rsync? :(
[05:04] <ells> crytpoknight, I buy some there
[05:04] <linuxpoet> What do you need to know about rsync?
[05:04] <cryptoknight> btw alllinuxinfo.com is my site
[05:04] <membreya> linuxpoet: in rsync, doing a sudo rsync -av --exclude "/media/" / /media/downloads/Linux, that will backup everything from my root (/) but exclude /media/ correct?
[05:04] <cryptoknight> i am trying to index as much linux software as possible
[05:05] <nickoli> why
[05:05] <cryptoknight> i already got linuxlinks beat
[05:05] <ells> crytpoknight,really
[05:05] <cryptoknight> ya
[05:05] <a_peck> holycow, that's cool feedback :) all the work we are asked for! this rules :)
[05:05] <linuxpoet> yes
[05:05] <ells> cryptoknight, will have to check it out
[05:05] <linuxpoet> I would do -auv though
[05:05] <membreya> thankyou linuxpoet, I can stop doing -avn now :P
[05:05] <cryptoknight> there are currently over 44452 linux links online
[05:05] <nickoli> haha
[05:05] <linuxpoet> I believe it is -auv --exclude=
[05:05] <ells> cryptoknight, windows days are numbered
[05:05] <holycow> on a side note, does anyone know where to specify a specific refresh rate for xorg?  i know about refresh rates and resolutions, but when you select 'refresh rate' in gui, where does that get stored in a text file?  i have a resolution thats not working under vmware and need to forcibly drop down to 60hz
[05:06] <cryptoknight> i got php robots i made that go out and spider things
[05:06] <cryptoknight> to get new links
[05:06] <cryptoknight> >:)
[05:06] <tyrese> a_peck, the way I see it, it's like buing a car, which the makers, ie Ford, have tailored to appeal to as many as possible. Ford like thier product as it is, but if I talk it to my local boy racer, and get him to lower it, swap out the air filter for a racing model, and get some nice bucket sets, Ford are gonna be pissed
[05:06] <membreya> thankyou so much linuxpoet :)
[05:06] <linuxpoet> holycow: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:06] <linuxpoet> welcome
[05:06] <cryptoknight> yes i am one of those freaks that thinks php can replace anything pretyt much
[05:06] <holycow> a_peck, i am converting a sarge pilot project desktop to ubuntu, and will do a usability study here, as well, i have agreed with someone here to pilot an ubuntu desktop at home and will be doing a usability study there as well
[05:06] <cryptoknight> i havnt made a perl shell script in over 2 years now
[05:06] <cryptoknight> heh
[05:06] <linuxpoet> hey crypto
[05:06] <a_peck> tyrese, sure. but the difference is Ford is not open source!
[05:06] <holycow> my way of sharing back
[05:06] <cryptoknight> hey linuxboy
[05:07] <tyrese> a_peck, LOL - Good point!
[05:07] <cryptoknight> err linuxpoet
[05:07] <linuxpoet> have you tried plphp
[05:07] <nickoli> they should start an open source car company
[05:07] <helio7> what's a good alternate browser to firefox (just to test something) (preferably with graphics, I've already tried lynx)
[05:07] <cryptoknight> dont belive i have
[05:07] <membreya> linuxpoet: now I just have to make it a daily cron job :D
[05:07] <cryptoknight> what is it?
[05:07] <linuxpoet> konqueror helio7
[05:07] <ells> tritium: what is up mike
[05:07] <membreya> helio7: galleon
[05:07] <helio7> thanks
[05:07] <tyrese> nickoli, An opensource car company - That would be brilliant, imagine the number of forks!!
[05:07] <linuxpoet> The ability to write server side functions and procedures in php for PostgreSQL
[05:07] <linuxpoet> plphp.commandprompt.com
[05:07] <holycow> linuxpoet, i know, where exactly do you force a 1024x76 to either be 60hz or 75? i don't see the relationship between default/current refresh rate and default/current resolution?
[05:07] <a_peck> holycow, :) what will sarge pilot bring to your business ?
[05:07] <nickoli> tyrese imagine
[05:07] <cryptoknight> i dont use postgres
[05:07] <cryptoknight> normally sqlite or mysql
[05:08] <linuxpoet> you are missing out
[05:08] <cryptoknight> http://alllinuxinfo.com/links/show.php?26851
[05:08] <linuxpoet> one sec holycow
[05:08] <cryptoknight> i dont see a need for stored procedures though
[05:08] <cryptoknight> i would use firedb if i did
[05:08] <tritium> ells, Hi Steve.  Getting ready for my trip.
[05:08] <linuxpoet> I don't no holycow sorry
[05:08] <a_peck> nickoli, tyrese, why not?
[05:08] <ells> tritium: where ya headed
[05:08] <holycow> a_peck, it was installed before hoary, we are switching away from windows.  it already brings greater productivity, stability, no viruses, no spyware, users cannot messup their ssystems, no licencing fees to ms ... i can write a book on it
[05:08] <linuxpoet> Your missing out :)
[05:08] <nickoli> a_peck lets do it
[05:08] <holycow> linuxpoet, no worries :)
[05:09] <cryptoknight> give me 1 advantage of using a stored procedure
[05:09] <a_peck> you got linux, apache, php, mysql, dotproject, wikis, and everything you need
[05:09] <tritium> ells, Arizona :)
[05:09] <linuxpoet> Performance
[05:09] <tyrese> nickoli, An opensource car, would only be able to drive in certain countries, because of the encryption used, central locking wouldn't be allowed to be used in the US
[05:09] <linuxpoet> code management
[05:09] <ells> tritium: really, where
[05:09] <cryptoknight> isnt that what the UI is for?
[05:09] <goLonghorns> if I already have 4 primary partitions, (NTFS, swap, ext3, ext3), is there a way to put one more on without hosing the original 4?
[05:09] <tritium> ells, Tucson to visit my sister, and then head up to the U2 concert in Phoenix
[05:09] <linuxpoet> depends on what code you are trying to manage
[05:09] <a_peck> holycow, are the users happy?
[05:09] <linuxpoet> presentation code, sure that is what the UI is for
[05:09] <ells> tritium: remember, that is where I am from
[05:09] <nickoli> whats an aplay:main:507: audio open error
[05:09] <a_peck> nickoli, :))
[05:09] <tyrese> goLonghorns, I don't think you can
[05:10] <cryptoknight> no i mean shouldnt the ui format the data the proper way before it puts it into the db
[05:10] <tritium> ells, I know!
[05:10] <holycow> a_peck, so far it's amazing, they only had 5 minutes tutorial (1 person to teach the 10 others), and they are fine
[05:10] <ells> tritium: I hope you enjoy the weather
[05:10] <tritium> ells, yep
[05:10] <ells> tritium: You need to go and get an eegee
[05:10] <tyrese> goLonghorns, If I was you, I would move the swap and the two ext3 partitions into an extende partition. And then add another partition
[05:11] <nekohayooo> hey guys, just wanted to say I fixed the nvidia problem.. by rebooting >___<;; *runs away in shame*
[05:11] <linuxpoet> Yes but that doesn't mean it will, but that is more about constraints anyway... I was speaking more about functions for handling logic
[05:11] <ells> tritium: they have awesome sandwiches and fruit slushees
[05:11] <holycow> a_peck, two problems we haveto solve: some of our word docs don't convert fully in oo.o (small issue, not a problem), and i need to setup a 'shared' folder on a multiuser system with the right permissions so readers can also write to the files between users (i got info on this the other day)
[05:11] <tritium> ells, I've been there, dude :)
[05:11] <linuxpoet> For example with php5
[05:11] <linuxpoet> You could do
[05:11] <holycow> a_peck, we are also standardizing on devices that have known linux support so thats not an issue at all either
[05:11] <ells> tritium: I wish they would franchise out of Arizona
[05:11] <linuxpoet> (pseudo code)
[05:11] <linuxpoet> try:
[05:11] <linuxpoet> insert stuff
[05:11] <linuxpoet> except:
[05:11] <a_peck> holycow, write the book then, online, on a wiki. publish it as a best practice. expose it to ubuntu-lovers / consultants
[05:11] <holycow> a_peck, most mobos have linux support so upgrading wont be a problem
[05:11] <membreya> clever jordanau :P
[05:11] <goLonghorns> tyrese,  are there any rules one must follow about extended partitions? i.e. where it should start?
[05:11] <linuxpoet> I am sorry you didn't use a correct date format
[05:12] <linuxpoet> Since the database is going to throw an exception
[05:12] <holycow> a_peck, thats the goal :), the only problem is time
[05:12] <jordanau> membreya, sticky actually
[05:12] <tyrese> Does anyone else in here run ubuntu on a PowerPC aka *mac*-?
[05:12] <a_peck> holycow, it's a wiki...
[05:12] <linuxpoet> You don't have to worry about the client UI, you just have to catch the error and allow the user to re-enter
[05:12] <cryptoknight> but a simple if (preg_match(){ do code } else { error}
[05:12] <holycow> okay so does anyone here know the relationship between v / h refresh rates and resoultions in x?  how do i manually force x to go to a particular resolution and particular refresh rate for it?
[05:12] <cryptoknight> would do the exact same thing
[05:12] <jordanau> anyone here play planeshift?
[05:12] <goLonghorns> holycow,  xtimings.sf.net ?
[05:12] <linuxpoet> It isn't the "exact" same thing
[05:12] <nickoli> jordanau never heard of it
[05:13] <holycow> a_peck, are you an ubuntu dev?
[05:13] <] BreliC[> jordanau, not yet.. how is it?  i was checking it out today
[05:13] <linuxpoet> Try it sometime, push it against say 1000 transactions over 15 connections
[05:13] <a_peck> holycow, i don't dev at all. am rookie user
[05:13] <tyrese> goLonghorns, a hardisk can have 4 partitions 1-4 can be primary, but then thats the max. If you make partition 4 an Extended Partition, then you can create as many partitions in there as you like
[05:13] <goLonghorns> holycow,  err, xtiming*
[05:13] <jordanau> It is updating i will let you know when i finally can play it
[05:13] <linuxpoet> If you push it into the DB you are going to get better reliability
[05:13] <stryderjzw> hi, i was wondering if it's possible to install using live cd disk
[05:13] <cryptoknight> well see currently i manage a web app that has about 10,000 concurent connections
[05:13] <jordanau> nickoli, it is an openly develpoed free mmorpg
[05:13] <cryptoknight> php 4 and mysql
[05:13] <nickoli> wohh mmorpg no way
[05:13] <tyrese> goLonghorns, I would recommend using something like partition magic to walk yourself through it - it's pretty easy
[05:13] <goLonghorns> tyrese,  coolness.. I shall look into this further.. thanks :)
[05:13] <linuxpoet> and?
[05:13] <nickoli> jordanau fps for lif
[05:13] <holycow> goLonghorns, i know x does some of the caclulations automatically, but there has to be a text file that stipulates what the CURRENT default setings are? xorg.conf stipulates the possibilities only
[05:14] <cryptoknight> it all runs on a single pentium 4 box
[05:14] <cryptoknight> with 512 of ram
[05:14] <cryptoknight> n/p
[05:14] <jordanau> nickoli, i understand me too
[05:14] <holycow> a_peck, lol no worries, just curious, your questions are reather pointed
[05:14] <jordanau> nickoli, but it is free and i am bored
[05:14] <nickoli> jordanau thats why i got cedega, i need my cs
[05:14] <jordanau> nickoli, yeah i have it on my windows boot
[05:14] <membreya> pentium 4 ...*barfs*
[05:14] <nickoli> jordanau you kept a win boot
[05:14] <ells> nickoli, cedega is not free, right
[05:14] <nickoli> yea
[05:15] <jordanau> nickoli, mmmm dod source soon
[05:15] <cryptoknight> i agree i hate pentium as well but ya know i didnt buy the hardware
[05:15] <a_peck> holycow, i'm a big fan of open source. it will bring a fresh choice to people. a new hope. every tool is a jedi :) fed with the Force and all ;)
[05:15] <nickoli> jordanau i have source
[05:15] <cryptoknight> btw has anyone checked out fpdf
[05:15] <nickoli> no
[05:15] <ells> nickoli, I am not gonna pay for software for open source
[05:15] <jordanau> nickoli, yes i kept a winboot
[05:15] <nickoli> jordanau lol
[05:15] <cryptoknight> very nice alternative for pdflib
[05:15] <membreya> cryptoknight: but it's just cheap to buy an amd64 :P
[05:15] <jordanau> dod source?
[05:15] <nickoli> ells its worth it
[05:15] <cryptoknight> free and open source
[05:15] <nickoli> jordanau dod no
[05:15] <ells> nickoli, what all does it do
[05:15] <cryptoknight> i agree membreya
[05:15] <nickoli> ells cedega
[05:16] <ells> yeah
[05:16] <cryptoknight> but the box was given to me
[05:16] <a_peck> holycow, also I'm trying to find my way into e-business consulting in Brazil, freelance, so I've been reading and thinking
[05:16] <cryptoknight> so....... i use it
[05:16] <nickoli> ells the best stuff ever
[05:16] <holycow> a_peck, i'm fine with the commercial software industry, but you don't realize what blasted scam artists they are until you run a trully free system, for example, macromedia is packaging yahoo toolbar with their plugins now, can you believe that nonsense?
[05:16] <nickoli> ells its $15 come on
[05:16] <cryptoknight> time for flash to die!
[05:16] <ells> nickoli, really
[05:16] <holycow> symantec uses scare tactics with respect to osx to get sales up because no one needs antivirus on osx
[05:16] <] BreliC[> holycow, it becomes incestuous
[05:16] <a_peck> holycow, lol. call it freedom of choice :)
[05:16] <ells> nickoli, I thought it was more
[05:16] <nickoli> ells i just lost my pswd so i cant cancel my subscription
[05:16] <nickoli> ells no
[05:16] <ells> nickoli, it is a monthly fee?
[05:17] <nickoli> ells yea
[05:17] <nickoli> ells but you can cancel
[05:17] <holycow> ] BreliC[, absolutely, i just found a company selling 'installation tools' for linux, my god how i despise the ms mindset trying to move over to linux, they have no clue even when they actually do the work
[05:17] <nickoli> ells anyways its only 5 a month so w/e
[05:17] <ells> nickoli, 5 a month
[05:17] <nickoli> ells yes
[05:17] <Null> devscott: well I got the pcmcia_core and i82365 modules to load, but now it doesn't recognize the network card
[05:17] <odyssey> has anyone managed to compile cedega from cvs?
[05:17] <ells> nickoli, what all does it do
[05:17] <nickoli> ells plays any win game
[05:18] <cryptoknight> no odyssey
[05:18] <helio7> ok random question: what would you suspect if you were unable to load http://www.haloscan.com/ and any site using their "commenting" tool, but everything else on the web works fine, and they claim not to do any system-wide blocking of IP addresses?
[05:18] <jordanau> ells, get the CVS for free :)
[05:18] <nickoli> no way
[05:18] <ells> jordanau: where
[05:18] <nickoli> thats some hairy stuf
[05:18] <cryptoknight> helio7,  it could be one of your settings actually
[05:18] <jordanau> yeah i know but no cost :)
[05:18] <odyssey> jordanau, you managed to build it
[05:18] <jordanau> no
[05:18] <] BreliC[> holycow, how true!  unfortunately the capitalist mindset of the business world will overtake the communist (and i mean this in the pure sense of the word) mindset of open source
[05:18] <cryptoknight> a buddy of mine couldnt get to the sprint.com site for over a year
[05:18] <nickoli> dang kaffeine just bugged out
[05:18] <jordanau> just a suggestion
[05:18] <a_peck> holycow, you must hope it stops, but not likely until computer class isn't "Learn to use MS Excel, vol 1" anymore
[05:18] <helio7> cryptoknight: such as which setting crypto?
[05:18] <jordanau> have you seen the how to to do it with the script?
[05:18] <Forsakenblade41> Somebody please help me
[05:19] <ells> jordanau: the free one wont work
[05:19] <helio7> cryptoknight: it worked just fine for a long time
[05:19] <holycow> ] BreliC[, true, but as long as there is richard stallman and debian, we have an island of freedom to bank on
[05:19] <nickoli> Forsakenblade41 with what
[05:19] <cryptoknight> it had to do with a default high traffic flag set in the kernel
[05:19] <ells> jordanau: the free one wont work?
[05:19] <cryptoknight> ba
[05:19] <Xenguy> Forsakenblade41: question?
[05:19] <jordanau> ells, will it not?
[05:19] <nickoli> now my sound is not working
[05:19] <] BreliC[> amen ;)
[05:19] <ells> jordanau: just asking
[05:19] <Forsakenblade41> Im trying ot install ubantu and it wil get to "searching for php cards" and freeze
[05:19] <membreya> damn, rsyncing my entire drive takes a while :P
[05:19] <Forsakenblade41> to*
[05:19] <ells> jordanau: are you using it
[05:19] <jordanau> ells, i dont know it is a development release so it is not as easy check this page out
[05:19] <crimsun> nickoli: how so?
[05:19] <nickoli> membreya whats rsync for
[05:20] <helio7> cryptoknight: I can't even load it via Lynx... so what setting could it possibly be
[05:20] <nickoli> crimsun what my sound
[05:20] <ells> jordanau: where is it at
[05:20] <K-Rich> well i tried installing hoary and it let me know the CD was bad, of course, it waited until after it formated my drive
[05:20] <jordanau> http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=45
[05:20] <membreya> nickoli: on a local machine, pretty much an advanced CP :P
[05:20] <tyrese> Where can I find decoders for my AVI files? A lot of stuff I have won't play
[05:20] <helio7> nickoli: for synchronized backup tasks (rsync)
[05:20] <Null> devscott: and in ifconfig eth0 doesn't show up
[05:20] <crimsun> nickoli: right, I'm asking for more details. Simply saying "it's not working" is slim pickings to diagnose
[05:20] <ells> jordanau: cool
[05:20] <cryptoknight> i belive it was tcp_ecm
[05:20] <jordanau> odyssey, did you try the link above for the CVS??
[05:20] <nickoli> crimsun sorry but kaffeine force shutdown, and now my sound is not working
[05:21] <helio7> cryptoknight: tcp_em? that's directed at me?
[05:21] <a_peck> holycow, and as soon as it will be of interest to the public (through e-business), the community may become an asset for companies. debian can stay free if nobody corrupts it. hopefully, no one needs kings anymore...
[05:21] <crimsun> nickoli: kaffeine? so you're using kubuntu?
[05:21] <nickoli> crimsun negative
[05:21] <cryptoknight> yes helio7
[05:21] <jordanau> i am about to play planeshift i will tell y'all how it is
[05:21] <nickoli> crimsun kde angered me when i used mdk 10.1
[05:21] <membreya> hmmm, what's the kcore file for in /proc/ ?
[05:21] <crimsun> nickoli: what's kaffeine's sound backend configured as?
[05:21] <helio7> ok thanks; gives me something to google
[05:21] <DonL> thanks to everybody here and on the forum for the hints to get me from Warty to Hoary. Finally happened last night
[05:21] <cryptoknight> send an email to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[05:21] <nickoli> crimsun let me try totem
[05:21] <cryptoknight> and ask him what setting it was for the sprint site
[05:22] <K-Rich> crimsun: dude, can i get your repository address again?
[05:22] <cryptoknight> it all evolved around a cisco bug
[05:22] <crimsun> K-Rich: it's deprecated now that Hoary has release.
[05:22] <crimsun> +d
[05:22] <cryptoknight> and only certin models got an upgrade
[05:22] <nickoli> crimsun ok its just kaffeine sound thats not working
[05:22] <nickoli> crimsun totem is running fine
[05:22] <cryptoknight> as a result it breaks a very specific QOS flag in tcp packets
[05:22] <K-Rich> crimsun: Hmmm... i'm still using Warty... can't seem to get Hoary installed to save my life :/
[05:23] <smouche> I thought kaffeine and totem both used xine
[05:23] <helio7> nickoli: try this hoary soundfix http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary/view?searchterm=audio%20flash
[05:23] <crimsun> K-Rich: deb http://sh.nu/~crimsun/ ./
[05:23] <DonL> K-Rich, me too. After a couple of failed attempts, I was ready to call it quits
[05:23] <cryptoknight> K-Rich,  what kinda errors u having?
[05:23] <nickoli> helio7 now totem is locking up
[05:24] <helio7> nickoli: that link I passed you fixed sound in firefox for me, and has a few other sound-fixes for hoary issues...
[05:24] <nickoli> alright let me try this
[05:24] <K-Rich> cryptoknight: from the CD is said the CD was bad and it can't get bsdutils, then i tried apt and got an error on it not being able to configure any of the opackages :/
[05:25] <cryptoknight> i had a similar issue with the freetype fonts
[05:25] <cryptoknight> i kept getting io errors
[05:25] <nickoli> well i guess i will fix my sound later
[05:26] <nickoli> just reboot
[05:26] <cryptoknight> i ended up having to force it to dl from one of the sites
[05:26] <mcrawfor> odd - uqm-content is in apt but not uqm itself
[05:26] <smouche> nickoli, kaffeine is buggy -- may still be running, even if you closed it -- check top -- is your cpu running hard?
[05:26] <mcrawfor> anyone know what's up with that?
[05:27] <nickoli> smouche 4% useage
[05:27] <chavo> mcrawfor, I see both here.
[05:27] <mcrawfor> really?
[05:27] <nickoli> if im not using ssh can i shut down the ssh process
[05:27] <mcrawfor> hoary?
[05:27] <chavo> yes
[05:27] <smouche> anyway, after I play a dvd in kaffeine, and close it, kaffeine keeps my cpu throttled up with fan blowing
[05:27] <mcrawfor> i have universe enabled
[05:28] <nickoli> haha
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> smouche, try using mplayer instead
[05:28] <cryptoknight> ooooooo
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> it seems to have a much lower resource need
[05:28] <nickoli> what does sleeping mean n the process list
[05:28] <DonL> no problems with mplayer in Hoary?
[05:28] <cryptoknight> no webmin package for horray?
[05:29] <smouche> yep, nomasteryoda, I'm putting 'em all through their paces
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> ah, ic
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> i used xine, but found it lacking for some stuff
[05:29] <jr_G-man> anybody got dmraid to work?
[05:29] <jr_G-man> it doesn't appear to be on my system...
[05:29] <jr_G-man> and i can't apt-get it
[05:29] <jr_G-man> and i can't compile it because it can't find libdevmapper.h
[05:29] <DonL> I always liked mplayer better, but for some reason it stopped working in Warty for me
[05:29] <jr_G-man> even though libdevmapper is installed and up to date
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> and I keep a geexbox disk around for kicks... it is too cool to boot up with a miniCD and only have mplayer working
[05:30] <mcrawfor> hmm - so i see it in multiverse
[05:30] <mcrawfor> do people recommend enabling multiverse?
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> and i can watch my encrypted dvds with it
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> ... dvds i got from the dumpster
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> =)
[05:30] <nickoli> sweet
[05:30] <smouche> lol
[05:30] <mcrawfor> i have no production stable needs, but i've made some very confused systems by using the unstable-est level in package managers before...
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> so free OS, free computer, free dvds and free player
[05:31] <nickoli> nice
[05:31] <nickoli> my comp wasnt free dam
[05:31] <nickoli> i spited dell with ubuntu
[05:31] <cryptoknight> lol
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> dumpster diving has its upside, the downside is all the extra crap you have lying around
[05:31] <smouche> my electricity is sort of free.  wish my broadband was...
[05:31] <cryptoknight> i got mine on sale at you guesed it walmart!
[05:31] <cryptoknight> well this 1 at least
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> nice
[05:32] <nickoli> i want one of those wal-mart linux lappys
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:32] <DonL> WalMart's selling Linux boxes, aren't they?
[05:32] <cryptoknight> yep
[05:32] <DonL> snap
[05:32] <nickoli> read it on lxer
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> DonL and laptops
[05:32] <BlackLabel> is there a way i can make a partition readable and writable on my ubuntu/winxp dual boot system?
[05:32] <cryptoknight> only on walmart.com though
[05:32] <ells> does anyone know if I have to have this file  /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a
[05:32] <nomasteryoda> BlackLabel: which partition? NTFS?
[05:32] <nickoli> ells delete it and see what happens
[05:32] <cryptoknight> linux dont officially support writing to ntfs
[05:32] <crimsun> ells: if you want to compile OpenGL applications, yes
[05:32] <DonL> cryptoknight, not in the stores?
[05:33] <nickoli> no
[05:33] <ells> nickoli, ok, is that what I want
[05:33] <nickoli> ells yes
[05:33] <cryptoknight> DonL,  not that i have seen
[05:33] <ells> cool, what the hell
[05:33] <cryptoknight> there is also ext explorer for windows btw
[05:33] <nickoli> ells libgl you dont need that for gl
[05:33] <DonL> Hmmm. Wouldn't want those things on display. lol
[05:33] <cryptoknight> lets you see ext2/3 drives in windows and copy between the 2
[05:33] <BlackLabel> doesnt matter what fs, just as long as i can read and write with winxp and linux
[05:33] <ells> nickoli, we will see what happens
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> BlackLabel: if you value your data... make a shared parition that is fat32
[05:33] <nickoli> ells alright
[05:33] <nomasteryoda> linux will write to that fine
[05:33] <BlackLabel> ok
[05:33] <smouche> fat32
[05:34] <ells> nickoli, be right back
[05:34] <BlackLabel> winxp will read the fat32 partitoin?
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> it was my solution for a few years
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> then i told MS to take a hike
[05:34] <nickoli> ells alright
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> BlackLabel: yes
[05:34] <BlackLabel> ok
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> read, write
[05:34] <smouche> I like fat32 cause it's easy to remember which partition I'm sharing stuff on if I'm reformatting or repartitioning...;-)
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> you could even install XP on a fat32 if it was using the Upgrade mode
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> but then security would be the issue
[05:35] <nickoli> use fat16
[05:35] <cryptoknight> not really nomasteryoda
[05:35] <cryptoknight> the "Security" in ntfs is easily circumvented
[05:35] <nomasteryoda>  well, at least from the windows xp side
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> ic
[05:35] <nickoli> just dont use windows
[05:35] <DonL> That's right, nomasteryoda . My wife's XP is an upgrade from 98 and I think it's Fat 32
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:36] <smouche> winxp is fine with fat32; I have some drives on my xp box in fat32, some ntfs.  No problem
[05:36] <cryptoknight> seriously there are programs to crack the "encrypted" files on ntfs in under a minute
[05:36] <DonL> I don't use Windows on my machine, but my wife and son have windows boxes
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> i kept having permission issues with one windowsxp box at work... lo and behold - fat32
[05:36] <nickoli> DonL take it off
[05:36] <cryptoknight> lol
[05:36] <DonL> I have to retain some familiarity with them to fix the viruses
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> DonL, i don't support windows at home.
[05:36] <cryptoknight> bestcrypt is the best for security in any environment
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> i get paid to do that at work
[05:36] <cryptoknight> :D
[05:36] <nomasteryoda> =)
[05:37] <nickoli> DonL 12 at night go around and take win off their boxes
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[05:37] <DonL> nomasteryoda, they can use what they want.
[05:37] <DonL> lol
[05:37] <nickoli> DonL if not that put on knoppix
[05:37] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:37] <cryptoknight> eek
[05:37] <DASC> hi
[05:37] <cryptoknight> knopix
[05:37] <a_peck> :)
[05:37] <DonL> Very sneaky! lol
[05:37] <nickoli> cryptoknight that has been a life saver for me
[05:37] <cryptoknight> i cant stand knoppix
[05:37] <nickoli> cryptoknight why
[05:37] <jordanau> yeah planehshift is boring
[05:37] <cowbud> ahh
[05:37] <cowbud> breezy is already aboot..
[05:37] <cryptoknight> it's just so....... toyish
[05:37] <DonL> The live Ubuntu is great
[05:37] <cowbud> excellent
[05:37] <cryptoknight> and i hate the desktop
[05:38] <nickoli> kde
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> DonL, have you tried the knoppix Cebit 3.8 qemu version? you can pop that sucker into a windows machine with windows running and it will load right up
[05:38] <cryptoknight> ya
[05:38] <cryptoknight> kde based
[05:38] <cryptoknight> *gag*
[05:38] <beh> does anyone here use comcast
[05:38] <DonL> Oh no, I haven't, nomasteryoda
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> it is very slick
[05:38] <membreya> back off of kde :P
[05:38] <nickoli> cryptoknight i loved kde till it kept crashing on mdk
[05:38] <cowbud> nomasteryoda: is that available for download yet?
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> yup
[05:38] <cryptoknight> kde is just to bloated for me
[05:38] <nickoli> cryptoknight a bit
[05:38] <cowbud> sweet i'll have to grab it..
[05:38] <cryptoknight> i am an icewm / gnome person
[05:38] <jordanau> whats the new one, yellow dog?, where you can burn your settings on the cd?
[05:38] <nickoli> cryptoknight whats icewm
[05:38] <cryptoknight> icewm?
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> jordanau: wow
[05:39] <bestadvocate> hey does anyone here use rox?
[05:39] <nickoli> whats that
[05:39] <jordanau> nickoli, it is a window manager
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> yellowdog is redhat
[05:39] <cryptoknight> REALLY light weight window manager
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> basically
[05:39] <DonL> I loved KDE till I got Gnome 2.8. Now with 2.10 it's even better
[05:39] <nickoli> cryptoknight sounds shifty
[05:39] <beh> does anyone here use comcast cable internet?
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> i have it on my Dumpsterdove powerbook
[05:39] <cryptoknight> lol
[05:39] <nickoli> beh no
[05:39] <tritium> beh, yes
[05:39] <jordanau> nomasteryoda, maybe it is based off it then
[05:39] <cryptoknight> beh nope
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> DonL, yea... the new ubuntu is nice
[05:39] <smouche> I do, bestadvocate, in kubuntu.  Works great -- er, rox file manager you mean? or rox desktop?
[05:39] <nickoli> beh comcast makes to much off my cable tv
[05:40] <cryptoknight> what do you need assistance with beh ?
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> DonL and i started the build process for Beagle... in my ubuntu box
[05:40] <beh> tritium have you ever had it where it would not resolve domain names or it would take realllly long
[05:40] <nickoli> beh i broke the cable box remote hope they dont need it back
[05:40] <DonL> Maybe I'll have to install Kubuntu on my spare drive to try it
[05:40] <tritium> beh, no, can't say that I have
[05:40] <beh> well this is the second time its happened its pissing me off
[05:40] <cryptoknight> try diffrent dns servers
[05:40] <beh> how do i know what to switch em too
[05:40] <cryptoknight> in /etc/resolve
[05:40] <nickoli> beh verizon dsl
[05:40] <beh> i reset my modem but it gets the same dns servers
[05:40] <bestadvocate> rox the file manager smouche
[05:40] <DonL> What's Beagle, nomasteryoda
[05:40] <beh> nickoli i need real help
[05:40] <smouche> I hated kde before, with kubuntu I loved it.  Once I turned off the bouncing cursors!
[05:40] <cryptoknight> put <IP_ADDRESS> as your first dns server
[05:40] <nickoli> beh ohh sorry
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> DonL, here's the link http://tinyurl.com/563op for the knoppix qemu
[05:40] <beh> lol
[05:40] <jordanau> nomasteryoda, it is called puppy
[05:41] <bestadvocate> smouche do you know how to trun on regular spartal instead of ubuntu spartal?
[05:41] <smouche> rox-filer is fantastic, bestadvocate.
[05:41] <DonL> Thanks I'll take a look
[05:41] <nomasteryoda> DonL, the best search engine for your desktop
[05:41] <nickoli> i dont trust a linux named puppy
[05:41] <cryptoknight> *should* work
[05:41] <smouche> spartal?
[05:41] <smouche> spatial?
[05:41] <nomasteryoda> jordanau: no, go to www.nat.org
[05:41] <bestadvocate> lol yah
[05:41] <tugalone> is anyone on Comcast here?
[05:41] <beh> cryptoknight what is the line supposed to look like in resolv.conf
[05:41] <geneo93> hehe i just got booted from mandrake
[05:41] <smouche> you mean in nautilus?  sorry, I'm using kde now... and I've never been sure what spatial means...
[05:42] <beh> cryptoknight nvm
[05:42] <nickoli> beh eth0 iface inet dhcp isnt that it
[05:42] <bestadvocate> lol actually i ment from xfce
[05:42] <cryptoknight> sorry resolv.conf
[05:42] <DonL> nomasteryoda, does running linux under windows cause slowness?
[05:42] <cryptoknight> and nameserver <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> DonL, jordanau look at this site... http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BeagleInstallHowto
[05:42] <jeramy_> Anybody try qemu on ubuntu?
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> DonL, you need plenty of ram
[05:42] <DonL> I would think
[05:42] <tugalone> cryptoknight: that a DNS public DNS server/
[05:42] <cryptoknight> yeppers tugalone
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> jeramy_: i have used ubuntu via qemu on my suse box
[05:42] <cryptoknight> ns1.secureirc.org
[05:42] <bestadvocate> smouche, the window hops around allot, is that the default?
[05:42] <nomasteryoda> and my windows box at work
[05:43] <cryptoknight> and ns2.secureirc.org
[05:43] <nickoli> dam suse
[05:43] <cryptoknight> are public
[05:43] <cryptoknight> :)
[05:43] <jordanau> nomasteryoda, i know what beagle is i am talking about the live cd you can burn changes to
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> ic
[05:43] <jeramy_> How much RAM do you have, nomasteryoda?
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> cool
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> thanks
[05:43] <smouche> bestadvocate, - which window? Rox?
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> 1gb
[05:43] <tugalone> cryptoknight: but untrusted i suppose :0 Comcast just crapped their DNS servers i heard.
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> on this box
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> 512mb at work
[05:43] <bestadvocate> smouche yes the rox one
[05:43] <beh> cryptoknight just curious where did u get that dns server from
[05:43] <cryptoknight> yes tugalone
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> on my linux box and my windows xp box
[05:43] <cryptoknight> i own secureirc.org
[05:43] <calamari> hi
[05:43] <cryptoknight> thats one of my boxes
[05:43] <nomasteryoda> cool
[05:43] <DASC> anyone know. how i can recover archive?
[05:43] <beh> cryptoknight you have a dns server/
[05:43] <beh> ??
[05:43] <cryptoknight> secureirc-online.com
[05:43] <jeramy_> I tried running WinXP on qemu 0.5.5 with 256MB RAM
[05:43] <cryptoknight> yes beh
[05:43] <jeramy_> it was brutal
[05:44] <dayson> how do I make my default background bigger then 800x600 resolution?
[05:44] <cryptoknight> i got 6 of them
[05:44] <DonL> I bookmarked beagle and will check it out later, nomasteryoda
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> jeramy_: LOL
[05:44] <tugalone> cryptoknight: ever heard of dnssec? know of anyone supporting it?
[05:44] <beh> cryptoknight haha thanks much faster than the ones comcast assigns
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> DonL, cool
[05:44] <cryptoknight> np beh
[05:44] <smouche> hmmm- if you mean the automatic size changing, yeah, that seems weird at first, but now I like it; saves space on desktop, and usually saves scrolling
[05:44] <cryptoknight> should be wicked fast
[05:44] <jordanau> right now i am enjoying xfce is it the shit
[05:44] <cryptoknight> oc48
[05:44] <cryptoknight> :)
[05:44] <beh> cryptoknight do you know any other dns server for a secondary?
[05:44] <jeramy_> I also couldn't get the network to work either.
[05:44] <cryptoknight> sure
[05:44] <calamari> jeramy_: xp brutalizes you no matter what.. it's a horrible os
[05:44] <DASC> but i delete with the command for aberrancy
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> calamari: Amen
[05:44] <dayson> how do I make my default background bigger then 800x600 resolution?
[05:44] <nomasteryoda> xp sucks a system dry
[05:45] <cryptoknight> ns2.secureirc.org has address <IP_ADDRESS>
[05:45] <smouche> but I don't know how well rox works out in gnome, nomasteryoda , if that's what you're using; in kubuntu it's great
[05:45] <jordanau> calamari, at least it is the best so far from them
[05:45] <cryptoknight> use that as secondary
[05:45] <beh> k thakns
[05:45] <jeramy_> calamari, I actually find it quite snappy.  I hate MS though, so I use XP as little as possible.
[05:45] <cryptoknight> i run a small hosting company
[05:45] <nomasteryoda> smouche: cool, i'll have to try
[05:45] <cryptoknight> secureirc-online.com
[05:45] <cryptoknight> in my spare time
[05:45] <holycow> okay i found how to manually force gnome to resize a session to a specific res/refresh: gnome obviously resizes x based on the session on login, the info for this is stored in gconf on a per user basis the file can be round in ~user/.gconf/desktop/gnome/screen/default/0
[05:45] <calamari> jordanau: I think 98 is still the best, but Ubuntu was good enough to switch to Linux, so I'm happy :)
[05:45] <jordanau> actually i take that back 98 SE was good
[05:45] <DonL> I think today is the last day MS will tolerate you not upgrading to SP2
[05:45] <cryptoknight> just a way for me to pay for all my toys basicly
[05:45] <jordanau> sgood timing :)
[05:46] <dazed> cryptoknight, i used to design web pages for small businesses when i was a few years younger
[05:46] <holycow> ms tolerate?
[05:46] <DonL> haha
[05:46] <holycow> i love the 1984'ish sound of that
[05:46] <holycow> they can bite me
[05:46] <DonL> holycow, exactly!
[05:46] <cryptoknight> i am an IT manager at a marketing company
[05:46] <cryptoknight> *gasp* for microsoft
[05:46] <jeramy_> Win98 crashes when you try and run newer GTK2 apps.  :(
[05:46] <nomasteryoda> holycow:  i discovered that my ubuntu box needed to have the monitor switched on to know the right mode for x... odd,
[05:46] <cryptoknight> well one of our clients is microsoft i should say
[05:46] <DASC> i delete with the command mc -R
[05:46] <odyssey> is anyone in here using seahorse?
[05:46] <DASC> help me please
[05:46] <beh> cryptoknight what kind of connection are your servrs on
[05:47] <DASC> is so important
[05:47] <cryptoknight> oc48
[05:47] <holycow> nomasteryoda, thats a hidden little piece of info i couldn't google for ages,someone was kind enough ina gnome channel to help, hoping to share
[05:47] <dazed> cryptoknight, time for you to leave NOW! :)
[05:47] <a_peck> cryptoknight, you shouldn't in fact
[05:47] <nomasteryoda> cool
[05:47] <cryptoknight> shouldnt?
[05:47] <dazed> lol
[05:47] <DonL> cryptoknight, I didn't hear you say anything bad about you know who
[05:47] <a_peck> cryptoknight, it's confi, right?
[05:47] <cryptoknight> well
[05:47] <cryptoknight> i am a strong linux supporter
[05:47] <K-Rich> so out of curiosity, how many are sticking to warty?
[05:47] <a_peck> lol DonL
[05:47] <cryptoknight> all my stuff is linux
[05:47] <cryptoknight> but i figure with me being where i am
[05:47] <calamari> weird wquestion for you guys.. I copied the Arial font from 98se, and firefox uses it, but I get no bold.  Bold is actually a different font file.. is there a way to combine them so I can have bold text?
[05:48] <cryptoknight> i can influance alot of ppl
[05:48] <cryptoknight> and i do
[05:48] <cryptoknight> i pursuade alot of our clients to move to linux
[05:48] <cryptoknight> we are a 100% ubuntu shop now
[05:48] <a_peck> did MS say yes?
[05:48] <membreya> i influence people when I fart in an elevator...
[05:48] <nomasteryoda> holycow: all i had to do was Ctrl+Alt+Bkspc and it fixed the res, but that should work too
[05:48] <dazed> cryptoknight, your right linux is not where the money is considering its 90% free
[05:48] <jeramy_> K-Rich, my parents are still using warty.  But they have a dial-up connection and I haven't been over there to upgrade yet.  ;)
[05:48] <cryptoknight> i would disagree dazed
[05:48] <Edgan> cryptoknight: you use ubuntu for servers?
[05:48] <nomasteryoda> cryptoknight: congrats on that man
[05:48] <tugalone> a_peck: lol. that'll be the day when Microsoft turns into a Linux shop.
[05:48] <a_peck> lol membreya, the message is more important than the conveyr they say
[05:48] <dazed> cryptoknight, why so?
[05:48] <cryptoknight> Edgan,  trial run yes
[05:48] <geneo93> i was selling ubuntu on mandrake and got booted
[05:49] <K-Rich> calamari: just install the msttcorefonts package from universe
[05:49] <Edgan> cryptoknight: that sounds heart warming
[05:49] <dazed> i have heard a lot of talk about ubuntu use for servers
[05:49] <cryptoknight> why so why?
[05:49] <nomasteryoda> geneo93: L:OL
[05:49] <calamari> K-rich: those fonts are inferior to the real fonts
[05:49] <dazed> lot of *good* talk
[05:49] <cryptoknight> it takes a bit of getting used to actually
[05:49] <K-Rich> calamari: err those are the real fonts
[05:49] <DonL> I found out about Ubuntu on the Fedora irc
[05:49] <calamari> K-rich: and I think I did that anyways
[05:49] <calamari> the probalem is there are separate fonts for normal, italic, bold, etc
[05:49] <cryptoknight> for the server side
[05:49] <cryptoknight> i am so not used to using packages
[05:49] <cryptoknight> right now i am using it for one of our mail servers
[05:49] <cryptoknight> seems to be ok
[05:50] <cryptoknight> just needs more documentation on that side
[05:50] <Edgan> dazed: I have heard talk of it going there with a subproject something like Kubuntu, but not much more.
[05:50] <cryptoknight> i found out about it on distrowatch
[05:50] <DASC> how is possible recover archives with mc?
[05:50] <Edgan> DASC: only with ext2, pretty much useless with ext3
[05:51] <dazed> Edgan, when i was looking at new distros before i chose ubuntu i was asking about stable server distros and ubu was one suggested
[05:51] <cryptoknight> i used to like mandrake for desktop
[05:51] <cryptoknight> but they got evil
[05:51] <Edgan> dazed: Everything I have heard says Ubuntu isn't for servers yet.
[05:51] <cryptoknight> turning into another redhat
[05:51] <DonL> I was looking for an easy to install Debian system with Apt
[05:51] <cryptoknight> Edgan,  it seems to work great
[05:52] <tritium> Edgan, if that's the case, than neither is Debian
[05:52] <cryptoknight> although.......... alot of wierd stuff with default installs
[05:52] <Edgan> tritium: debian is a whole other story
[05:52] <cryptoknight> like apache
[05:52] <geneo93> cryptoknight:  i was a silver member till last week screw them
[05:52] <cryptoknight> the cgi-bin dir is put in /usr/lib/cgi-bin
[05:52] <tritium> Edgan, not that different
[05:52] <Edgan> tritium: it has a much larger package base and moves at a snail pace
[05:52] <cryptoknight> i was bronze geneo93
[05:52] <daniels> Edgan: i don't see anything that makes ubuntu not ready for servers
[05:52] <cryptoknight> it just needs more docs for the server side
[05:52] <jeramy_> The only downside that I can think of, for Ubuntu as a server, is if you're running stuff from universe
[05:52] <tritium> Edgan, not much larger when you consider universe and multiverse repos
[05:52] <cryptoknight> or a editor or something
[05:53] <cryptoknight> to find the config files
[05:53] <daniels> Edgan: put it this way -- the *.ubuntu.com machines that withered the utter storm of the warty and hoary releases have been running ubuntu since before it was announced to the public
[05:53] <cryptoknight> to setup mailman was sorta rough
[05:53] <Edgan> daniels: Are all of the avaliable packages in non-universe/non-metaverse yet?
[05:53] <jeramy_> daniels, heh, good point.  :)
[05:54] <cryptoknight> i should make a php+gtk app for this
[05:54] <daniels> Edgan: non-universe/non-metaverse?
[05:54] <daniels> Edgan: we recompiled the entirety of debian main into universe
[05:54] <daniels> Edgan: modulo, of course, anything that failed to build from source
[05:54] <Edgan> daniels: universe and metaverse are non-supported, right?
[05:54] <cryptoknight> daniels,  any word on webmin?
[05:54] <jeramy_> Edgan, do you mean stuff like apache-mod-php4?
[05:54] <helio7> I can't load a particular url for some reason, and am trying to troubleshoot it; if I can ping the domain successfully, does that conclusively mean they are NOT ip-banning my ip? (they have no reason to, but I can't figure out why I can't load their page)
[05:55] <daniels> Edgan: universe and multiverse are not supported by ubuntu, right.  but there's a masters of the universe team which takes care of universe, and it's not like it gets any *worse* on the way from debian to ubuntu.
[05:55] <daniels> cryptoknight: no idea, sorry
[05:55] <Edgan> jeramy_: That would be one good example if it isn't in non-universe/metaverse
[05:55] <daniels> jeramy_: libapache2-mod-php4 is in main
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> i just installed php 4.x and phpbb 2.0.13 on my iis server today... very nice
[05:55] <cryptoknight> k thanks dandesmet
[05:55] <cryptoknight> err daniels
[05:55] <dazed> helio7 maybe its down for maintenance
[05:55] <Edgan> daniels: what is universe based on, stable, testing, or unstable?
[05:55] <dphase> any workarounds for the random X lockups caused by the current nvidia drivers?
[05:56] <jeramy_> Edgan, I think that it used to be in universe for Warty, but now it's obviously in main.
[05:56] <daniels> Edgan: unstable
[05:56] <membreya> sweet, my rsync works..backs up my entire drive, excludes /sys/ /proc/ and /media/ :D
[05:56] <difeta> hey all! I'm running hoary and for the last week i noticed that i cannot resolve any dns names for about 30minutes after the network devices are enabled. I can connect anywhere inside my network or externally via the up address but not via domain name... any ideas?
[05:56] <daniels> Edgan: we snapshot sid at various points, but we'll do rolling resyncs if needed to get something more stable
[05:56] <Edgan> daniels: so it pretty much as the latest stuff, but how many bugs are in server packages in universe?
[05:56] <DonL> dphase, I've noticed a couple of those since I went to Hoary. Figure they'll work themselves out
[05:56] <daniels> Edgan: only as many are in server packages in debian
[05:57] <dazed> difeta did you add them to your hosts?
[05:57] <Edgan> daniels: yeah, but you just said debian unstable, you saying you make unstable debian packages into packages with roughly the same quality as debian stable?
[05:57] <difeta> dazed add who do my hosts?
[05:57] <daniels> Edgan: stable and unstable are names
[05:58] <daniels> Edgan: you do know that testing also draws from debian unstable, right?
[05:58] <Edgan> daniels: yes, but unstable in my experience is just that.
[05:58] <ells> nickoli: it is installed
[05:58] <membreya> hmmm and now with rsync, if I do a --delete, it will remove any files in the receiving directory that I don't have in the originating source?
[05:58] <Edgan> daniels: I understand universe != debian unstable
[05:58] <DonL> I can stand living a little bit on the edge myself, lol
[05:58] <daniels> Edgan: we are not unstable, as I've said.  we draw from unstable at a given point, and then intelligently (human-initiated) sync back specific packages to fix bugs as appropriate.
[05:58] <membreya> woah.
[05:58] <membreya> no bad..bad adam
[05:59] <Edgan> daniels: but is the quality really improved much?
[05:59] <membreya> that would delete from my partition :P
[05:59] <racter> i just upgraded to hoary and i have no idea how to get sound working!  i've looked on the forums but nothing suggested there seems to help (alsa is already installed and appears to be configured properly, and the volume settings are all up, but apps still say "your soundcard is not configured properly" and the 'speaker-test' command doesn't output any sound).
[05:59] <daniels> Edgan: sure.  we fix bugs, we make small additions where necessary.
[05:59] <DonL> racter, what is you card?
[05:59] <racter> it's an intel i810
[06:00] <tritium> Edgan, might I suggest you try out the LiveCD to get a first impression?
[06:00] <cryptoknight> good night everyone
[06:00] <Edgan> daniels: ok, well, sounds like ubuntu is farther along than I thought. You guys waiting on Debian still to do multiarch?
[06:00] <DonL> That may be a problem
[06:00] <racter> oh?
[06:00] <daniels> Edgan: we're working with Debian on multiarch stuff, yes (some of our developers are very deeply involved in multiarch)
[06:00] <Edgan> tritium: I have tried warty live cd, hoary preview live cd(fried my /home partition), hoary live cd, and hoary install cd
[06:00] <guille> Hola!!
[06:00] <tritium> Edgan, super!
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> racter, i have a way to make the i810 behave
[06:01] <racter> awesome
[06:01] <daniels> Edgan: live CDs do not touch partitions
[06:01] <DonL> there ya go
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> let me get link
[06:01] <a_peck> hola!
[06:01] <guille> a_peck de donde eres?
[06:01] <nomasteryoda> i have a dell D505 and it has the i810/855g card
[06:01] <Edgan> daniels: I told it to mount /home and fsck wasn't happy with the results afterward
[06:01] <DonL> LOVE this place
[06:01] <a_peck> guille de brasil, pero estoy en madrid
[06:01] <a_peck> guille tu?
[06:01] <guille> soy de chiule
[06:01] <guille> acabo de instalar ubuntu
[06:01] <guille> xD
[06:02] <a_peck> guille :) necesitas ayuda o vienes participar, mirar...?
[06:02] <denver> could someone please tell me how in the hell to set a root pass in ubuntu
[06:02] <Edgan> daniels: luckily it worked out via fsck, but it was scary there for a minute. It turned /home/user into /home/#23423
[06:02] <denver> it would be oh so greatly appreciated
[06:02] <guille> ajaj solo estoy revisando las aplicaciones
[06:02] <guille> peor mna me faltara ayuda.. xD
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> racter: minde you my site is heavily focused on SuSE, the same method will work for Ubuntu
[06:02] <a_peck> guille :) ya volveras
[06:02] <racter> ok
[06:02] <nomasteryoda> racter: http://mgalug.org/suse/9.2
[06:02] <guille> ajaj si
[06:02] <tritium> denver, you're actuall encouraged to use sudo instead: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[06:02] <a_peck> :)
[06:03] <guille> y tu pasas muxo tiempo aca?
[06:03] <denver> tritium, i dont want to use sudo
[06:03] <a_peck> guille siempre que tengo tiempo para pasar un rato
[06:03] <tritium> denver, nevertheless, see the URL for what you want
[06:03] <denver> thanks so much man
[06:03] <guille> akjaja  que bueno
[06:03] <tritium> denver, np
[06:03] <Edgan> daniels: Do you think Ubuntu will have support in the next release in six monthes?
[06:03] <guille> hey a_peck tienes msn?
[06:03] <a_peck> guille veras esto es increible
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> denver, you can also use the "root" terminal
[06:03] <a_peck> si tio
[06:03] <nomasteryoda> makes it simpler
[06:03] <Edgan> daniels: I mean multiarch support
[06:04] <guille> cual es?
[06:04] <geneo93> denver:  sudo passwd root
[06:04] <daniels> Edgan: i don't know, but I doubt it.  it's a staggeringly massive undertaking.
[06:04] <jeramy_> Edgan, which arch?  It already supports PPC, x86, and x86-64.  That what you mean?
[06:04] <calamari> where is fonts:/// ?
[06:04] <racter> nomasteryoda: i'm not sure i'm looking at the right thing here - where does this page talk about sound?
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> racter: just a sec
[06:05] <Edgan> jeramy_: x86_64, in all packages? daniels and what I have read don't seem to agree
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> that link is for my video stuff
[06:05] <Edgan> jeramy_: with your statement
[06:05] <daniels> Edgan: we already support amd64, with a pure64 system
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> i installed the intel i915 package
[06:05] <nomasteryoda> from their site
[06:05] <Edgan> daniels: yeah, pure64 is not good enough yet
[06:05] <daniels> Edgan: you're asking about one system, multiple architectures, no? (e.g. amd64 supporting both pure64 and i386)
[06:05] <Edgan> daniels: I need 32bit stuff and chroot, bleh
[06:05] <daniels> Edgan: you can install i386 if it makes you feel better
[06:06] <Edgan> daniels: that sort of defeats the point
[06:06] <jeramy_> Edgan, yeah, bleh.  I don't have that problem, because I can't afford an AMD64.  :)
[06:06] <nickoli> 64bit is overated
[06:06] <jordanau> can someone take a look at my pstree and tll me if i can eliminate anything unneccessary?
[06:07] <Edgan> nickoli: Have you tried it?
[06:07] <nickoli> Edgan no my friend has 754 setup
[06:07] <nickoli> Edgan and hes a hardcore win fan
[06:07] <Edgan> nickoli: don't know about 754, but my 939 setup is nice
[06:07] <jeramy_> daniels, your name sounds familiar... You work for Canonical, right?
[06:07] <racter> nomasteryoda: i see this dri-I915 rpm on intel's site, is that the one?  what does that do for sound?  it seems to be a graphics package.
[06:07] <nickoli> Edgan 939 what are you spending on your stuff
[06:08] <a_peck> bye all
[06:08] <Edgan> I think multiarch will become less nesscary now that XP x64 is about to come out. Then all the stuff that is tied to 32bit will slowly become avaliable for 64bit
[06:08] <nickoli> Edgan i run everything fine on my P2 i dont think 939 is necesary
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> looking for right link
[06:08] <Edgan> nickoli: About $140 for the motherboard and $300 for the processor
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> racter, so your system is complaining that it has no sound card?
[06:08] <nickoli> Edgan 32bit for life
[06:08] <jeramy_> Edgan, unfortunately Windows is what drives the market atm.
[06:08] <Edgan> nickoli: haha
[06:08] <nomasteryoda> or no driver for it?
[06:09] <nomasteryoda> just to make sure I understand how it is failing
[06:09] <Edgan> jeramy_: yeah, and support. I need 64bit java, flash, and some media dlls
[06:09] <nickoli> Edgan why did you get a 939
[06:09] <Edgan> nickoli: because 754 is already heading toward EOL
[06:09] <Edgan> nickoli: 939 is supposed to be able to do dual core processors
[06:09] <racter> nomasteryoda: when i run xmms it says "your soundcard is not configured properly" no matter what i choose.  and speaker-test doesn't output any sound.
[06:10] <calc> s939 in US is about the same price as s754
[06:10] <nickoli> Edgan mehh 754 i sticking round
[06:10] <Edgan> jeramy_: people like nickoli don't help the 64bit either. Need more adopters
[06:10] <Edgan> nickoli: I think the 3700+ is the last 754
[06:10] <DonL> racter, can you put in another sound card?
[06:10] <nickoli> Edgan w.e i  find that to be overated for linux
[06:10] <racter> donl: it's a laptop, so i can't really do that.
[06:10] <Edgan> nickoli: I know your opinion already
[06:10] <DonL> Ahhh
[06:10] <nickoli> Edgan ok good
[06:11] <racter> donl: i have a usb sound device, but i'm not sure that will work any better.
[06:11] <jeramy_> Edgan, well I won't be adopting any time soon either.  :)  No upgrades for me for multiple years.  Or until something breaks.
[06:11] <racter> and i'd rather not rely on that exclusively
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> racter: did you see this link? http://tinyurl.com/3uzpj
[06:11] <nickoli> Edgan is there any difference in the setup between a 32 and 64
[06:11] <nickoli> like the kernel
[06:11] <Edgan> jeramy_: I probably won't do a major upgrade for a few years, unless I get the much better job I have applied for.
[06:11] <calc> jeramy_: or until xfce requires a 5ghz cpu? ;)
[06:12] <Edgan> nickoli: the kernel is compiled for 64bit, can support more memory
[06:12] <calc> nickoli: 64bit has more registers
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> racter: look at clsdaniel's posting here: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1312.html
[06:12] <calc> and has 64bit pointers
[06:12] <Edgan> nickoli: Where it is really at is the registers as calc just mentioned
[06:12] <Stas> hello
[06:12] <DonL> racter, I heard a while ago that the i810 chip might not be supported by anybody for long. That's why I suggested something else. but a laptop, I don't know
[06:12] <Stas> I am running a livecd of ubuntu
[06:12] <Stas> how can I increase the refresh rate of the screen?
[06:12] <calc> the pointers slow it down a bit but the registers more than make up for it
[06:12] <Stas> this 75Hz is REALLY hurting my eyes
[06:12] <] BreliC[> any issues on installing ubuntu onto sata drives?
[06:12] <racter> hrm.  it worked effortlessly in warty.
[06:13] <nickoli> Edgan ehh... well if it works for you good deal, anyways im spending $500 on a mini mac in june
[06:13] <DonL> racter, so it should in Hoary then, I would think
[06:13] <calc> nickoli: yea mac mini looks nice :)
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> DonL, yes
[06:13] <jeramy_> calc, I'm getting by with GNOME ok.  It's a little bit slow to start programs, but otherwise ok.
[06:13] <nickoli> calc 40gb hd divide 20/20 one linux one mac
[06:13] <nomasteryoda> i can't wait to get my hands on one... and put Ubuntu on it
[06:13] <Edgan> nickoli: I spent $650 on my last upgrade to A64 3500+, 1gb PC3200, nforc3 ultra board
[06:14] <DonL> After doing the math, I found the mini mac lacking
[06:14] <nickoli> Edgan geeze
[06:14] <calc> nickoli: i want one since they are supposedly silent almost all the time
[06:14] <jeramy_> and because they're so tiny
[06:14] <nickoli> calc well they are small form factor lacking fans
[06:14] <calc> yea that too :)
[06:14] <jeramy_> They'd make a great PVR
[06:14] <Edgan> nickoli: I also got pata to sata convertors so I didn't have to switch to sata or user multiple pci pata controllers
[06:14] <DonL> ...and powerful pc's are so cheap now
[06:15] <propagandhi> is anybody running beagle on ubuntu
[06:15] <nickoli> Edgan your setup is embarassing me im ashamed of my dell 2400
[06:15] <DonL> Somebody here is, propagandhi
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> nickoli: but the cool factor is +++... when the thing dies in 3 years due to heat issues, people will go damn, why did i go with this pos
[06:15] <racter> brb
[06:15] <calc> jeramy_: just need a really good usb hardware encoder, and a usb spdif
[06:15] <Edgan> nickoli: hehe, my last upgrade was to two 250gb drives from two 120gb drives, I use linux software raid to do striping
[06:15] <nickoli> nomasteryoda i was going to water cool it
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> that works
[06:16] <jeramy_> calc, do usb hw encoders have drivers in Linux?
[06:16] <daniels> jeramy_: yeah
[06:16] <nickoli> nomasteryoda put it in my freezer since its so small
[06:16] <calc> jeramy_: no idea
[06:16] <nicedreams> I keep getting "mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server" and I'm logged in as mythtv.  How can I fix this by giving mythtv access to X?
[06:16] <calc> jeramy_: or perhaps encode on another box and stream it on the mini
[06:16] <nickoli> nomasteryoda mount an apple lcd on the fridge door
[06:16] <jeramy_> daniels, I looked you up.  :)  You're doing the x.org and l-r-m packaging?
[06:16] <Stas> hi could someone help me?
[06:16] <jordanau> nomasteryoda, what did you think of puppy?
[06:16] <daniels> jeramy_: yeah
[06:16] <nomasteryoda> nickoli: I just installed a no fan zalman heat sink on my nvidia card
[06:17] <Stas> does ubuntu support digital sound output?
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> jordanau: puppy is pretty cool
[06:17] <nickoli> nomasteryoda i dont trust passive cooling
[06:17] <calc> Stas: if the alsa drivers do
[06:17] <Stas> can I play music through my s/pdif port?
[06:17] <nickoli> nomasteryoda my p2 box is like a wind tunnel
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> this thing is way better than the crappy fan that came on it
[06:17] <crimsun> Stas: yes
[06:17] <DonL> daniels, I have to thank you. Couldn'
[06:17] <Edgan> nickoli: my old XP 2500+ with 1gb PC2700 went into my server. I also have a P4 2ghz and XP 1700+. Then there is my XP 2600+ laptop.
[06:17] <jeramy_> daniels, I'll refrain from barraging you with a bunch of dev questions.  :)
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> and i have 4 fans in the box already
[06:17] <Stas> how can I do it crimsun, calc?
[06:17] <DonL> Couldn't get Xorg to work on Mandrake
[06:17] <nomasteryoda> i want water cooling when i go to 64bit
[06:17] <nickoli> Edgan ill take the 2500 if your not using it since its so old
[06:18] <calc> Stas: open volume control and edit preferences, and enable the sliders for iec958 devices (spdif)
[06:18] <calc> crimsun: thats correct, right?
[06:18] <crimsun> essentially.
[06:18] <Edgan> nickoli: hehe, it is in my server, of course I am using it. I could spare the 1700+ though. That box is my experiment box, which is what currently has hoary installed.
[06:18] <daniels> jeramy_: sweet deal
[06:18] <crimsun> will probably want to send to -Dplug:iec958, too, through ALSA directly
[06:18] <daniels> DonL: rad, thanks
[06:18] <calc> crimsun: ah
[06:18] <nickoli> Edgan 1700 is comparable to my dual p2 server box
[06:19] <jeramy_> calc, that would always be an option.  I saw WinTV GO cards for $20US with free shipping (although I don't know if they ship to Canada)
[06:19] <Stas> oh, ok thanks!!
[06:19] <DonL> Keep doing it. That work is appreciated
[06:19] <Stas> I have windows installed on hda1
[06:19] <Stas> can I access that partition from the livecd?
[06:19] <daniels> DonL: it's how I afford food, so there's no danger of me stopping any time soon ;)
[06:19] <Edgan> nickoli: ah, dual, nice. I had dual P3 650s a few years ago. One of the voltage regulators smoked and took the board, cpus, and memory with it.
[06:19] <DonL> I'd like to be able to make my passion my work
[06:19] <jeramy_> I guess calc is off to investigate $20 WinTV GO cards?  ;)
[06:19] <tritium> bob2, you around?
[06:20] <DonL> or vise versa
[06:20] <nickoli> Edgan i cant boot mine up
[06:20] <The_bellman> *newbie alert* it broke my sound damnit. Im using a laptop, and the speaker on it was never recognised on my old debian setup, but when i moved to ubuntu, it found it, and it worked like a dream. then i tried to see if it would work with some apple USB speakers and it didnt, but now it doesnt work with my normal speakers either *cries*
[06:20] <calc> jeramy_: no about time for me to go to bed :)
[06:20] <calc> jeramy_: i have a conexant blackbird
[06:20] <calc> jeramy_: though i haven't had time to set it up under linux
[06:20] <nickoli> Edgan the p2s start and i get a vid signal but nothing else
[06:20] <jeramy_> calc, me too.  I'm in Eastern Daylight
[06:20] <Edgan> nickoli: you have dsl or cable?
[06:21] <dracflamloc> whats a good IDE for c/c++ on linux besides anjuta?
[06:21] <nickoli> dsl
[06:21] <jeramy_> Does that have linux drivers?
[06:21] <nickoli> Edgan why
[06:21] <propagandhi> does anyone here use apollon?
[06:21] <] BreliC[> is anyone here using OOo 2.0 beta?
[06:21] <calc> jeramy_: some of the blackbirds do, not sure if mine works
[06:21] <propagandhi> yes
[06:21] <Edgan> nickoli: Was curious how deprived you are. :) Dialup would be hell for me.
[06:21] <jeramy_> ] BreliC[, I am.
[06:21] <tritium> ] BreliC[, I tried it, but don't use it regularly
[06:21] <] BreliC[> I'm having problems reading/writing files over NFS here on my lan
[06:21] <nickoli> Edgan not that deprived
[06:21] <Edgan> ] BreliC[: yeah
[06:22] <] BreliC[> it works fine with the 1.1.3
[06:22] <calc> jeramy_: http://linux.bytesex.org/v4l2/cx88.html
[06:22] <jeramy_> I don't use NFS.  ;)
[06:22] <] BreliC[> is it a known issue?
[06:22] <beh> is OO 2.0 beta stable?
[06:22] <propagandhi> its not stable but its working fine for me so far
[06:22] <tritium> ] BreliC[, it also has trouble with word docs with tables
[06:22] <jeramy_> calc, so it's a bttv driver?
[06:22] <Edgan> ] BreliC[: haven't had it crash, but have seen some annoyances/bugs
[06:22] <propagandhi> it is a beta after all
[06:22] <jordanau> dracflamloc, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=6762&highlight=Integrated+Development+Environment
[06:22] <blizah> how would i queue up files in firefox?
[06:22] <nickoli> could i setup ubuntu to be a gateway server, doing a minimal install
[06:22] <blizah> possible?
[06:22] <] BreliC[> hmm thanks guys.. good to know
[06:22] <calc> jeramy_: its a newer version of the bttv chips
[06:23] <] BreliC[> not sure why it wouldn't read files off nfs though
[06:23] <racter> nomasteryoda: that link you sent has the solution!
[06:23] <Edgan> nickoli: should be able to, iptables will act as a gateway with a few commands
[06:23] <adoyretsamon> propagandhi, a guy over on #suse said he lost 1000 characters with a random crash of OpenOffice 2.0 beta
[06:23] <moyogo> i'm getting this really strange behaviour in X
[06:23] <adoyretsamon> racter, sweet
[06:23] <jeramy_> calc, it's probably an easy setup.  I have zero experience with it though.
[06:23] <Edgan> nickoli: would probably need to install a dhcp server package
[06:23] <nickoli> Edgan cause my zonet router is not working, and i want a router
[06:23] <adoyretsamon> i love google
[06:23] <Stas> "libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" what does that mean
[06:23] <racter> it was because of a conflict between snd-intel8x0m.ko and snd-intel8x0.ko - i just removed one of them and now my sound works.
[06:23] <moyogo> it just freeze when I use firefox or epiphany
[06:23] <adoyretsamon> racter, it's me over on my ubuntu box
[06:23] <jeramy_> Anyway, I'm off to bed.  My wife will probably complain as it is.  :)
[06:24] <Edgan> Stas: lack of the mikmod library, you need to install the right package
[06:24] <crimsun> Stas: it means you should install libmikmod2
[06:24] <adoyretsamon> racter, even better
[06:24] <Stas> oh ok :)
[06:24] <Stas> apt-get install?
[06:24] <DonL> racter, Yay!
[06:24] <crimsun> aptitude install, sure
[06:24] <racter> thanks for your help
[06:25] <DonL> Night Jero2K
[06:25] <adoyretsamon> i love this channel!... i don't care how the critics admonish IRC, it truly rocks@@!!
[06:25] <DonL> woops. Damn auto complete
[06:25] <DonL> You're right, adoyretsamon
[06:25] <adoyretsamon> np racter
[06:25] <adoyretsamon> thks
[06:25] <Stas> :((( xmms still freezes as soon as I try to play any song :((
[06:26] <calamari> is there a gnome or x application that simply prints the given command line to the window?
[06:26] <adoyretsamon> Stas, try using OSS instead of alsa
[06:26] <Stas> blah
[06:26] <Stas> how do I do that
[06:26] <adoyretsamon> just sec
[06:26] <nickoli> Stas good question
[06:26] <adoyretsamon> easy
[06:26] <adoyretsamon> it should be in hoary by default
[06:27] <adoyretsamon> right click xmms, click Audio I/O Plugins
[06:27] <nickoli> cause im testing my sound in point 2 play and oss and alsa arent working
[06:27] <adoyretsamon> click Output Plugin button
[06:27] <adoyretsamon> change to OSS
[06:27] <adoyretsamon> yea, i know
[06:28] <virtuald> what do i use the compose key for other than compose, s, s = ?
[06:28] <Stas> oh
[06:28] <Stas> it's already OSS :((
[06:28] <DonL> I better go too. Have to get up early for work
[06:28] <nickoli> everyone is leaving
[06:28] <DonL> Thanks for the chat folks!
[06:28] <DonL> Not everyone, nickoli
[06:29] <DonL> lol
[06:29] <nickoli> what
[06:29] <DonL> Night
[06:29] <nickoli> aight
[06:29] <s_fresh> umm... hi. may i ask a question here?
[06:29] <nickoli> no
[06:29] <tritium> s_fresh, always
[06:29] <Stas> how do I kill frozen apps in this?
[06:29] <nickoli> run command type kill
[06:29] <Stas> ok :)
[06:29] <jldugger_> Stas: in gnome?
[06:29] <adoyretsamon> Stas, also xkill
[06:29] <] BreliC[> Alt-F2, type xkill, then click on nonresponsive app
[06:29] <Stas> I thought there might have been a more graphical way of doing it
[06:29] <Stas> ;p
[06:29] <nickoli> that too
[06:30] <Stas> ah ok
[06:30] <s_fresh> okay. i just installed warty and i don't have sound. how do i go about gettin the sound?
[06:30] <Stas> ;p
[06:30] <jldugger_> Gnome should detect stalled apps when you click the X
[06:30] <Stas> gotcha
[06:30] <eruin> is there any way to block incoming traffic from a specific ip address?
[06:31] <jldugger_> Stas, but if it isn't working, you can also bring up the System Monitor, and kill things that way
[06:31] <nickoli> eruin iptables
[06:31] <Stas> ah, cool
[06:31] <mainer> 4easy way is to right-click in firestaarter on the hit,list, or use ip-tables deny.config
[06:31] <Stas> hmmm
[06:31] <eruin> iptables sounds like alot of work :o
[06:32] <Stas> this is actually pretty good
[06:32] <maxxist> anyone know why hoary isnt displaying any OpenGL graphics?  according to Synaptic the nvidia drivers are installed.
[06:32] <nickoli> eruin it is too much work
[06:32] <Stas> I wish it'd support my monitor though
[06:32] <nickoli> maxxist you have to activate it
[06:32] <Stas> I think this 60Hz refresh rate is going to kill my eyes
[06:32] <maxxist> lol
[06:32] <crimsun> maxxist: did you follow the directions on wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto?
[06:32] <maxxist> edit xorg.conf?
[06:32] <nickoli> maxxist yea
[06:32] <eruin> someone is sending me a shitload of packets o.O
[06:32] <crimsun> maxxist: see that url
[06:32] <maxxist> k
[06:32] <maxxist> dumb ass me.
[06:33] <adoyretsamon> Stas, fix it man
[06:34] <adoyretsamon> Stas, did you try reconfiguring it..? do you have the right drivers loaded for xorg?
[06:34] <jldugger_> adoyretsamon, I think that was a passive agressive plea for help. I salute you for answering his call, and wish you good luck troubleshooting it.
[06:34] <adoyretsamon> ok
[06:34] <mainer> eruin:  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-bridge-fw.en.html#sD.3
[06:34] <adoyretsamon> i thought so... thanks
[06:34] <Stas> hmm
[06:34] <Stas> I don't know how to do that :|
[06:34] <propagandhi> who uses webmin
[06:35] <ells> has anyone had issues with getting realplayer to work after it is installed
[06:35] <mainer> eruin:  http://www.chinalinuxpub.com/doc/www.siliconvalleyccie.com/linux-hn/iptables-intro.htm
[06:35] <membreya> propagandhi: me
[06:35] <nickoli> membreya how is it
[06:35] <mainer> eruin:   www.fs-security.com
[06:35] <DracosX> eruin: sudo apt-get install firestarter
[06:35] <Stas> mount -t ntfs -o rw /dev/hda1 /mnt/Windows/
[06:35] <propagandhi> do u know if there are third-party modules for webmin other than those linked from the webmin site
[06:35] <adoyretsamon> Stas, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:35] <adoyretsamon> follow along
[06:35] <nickoli> DracosX i cant find firestarter
[06:35] <Stas> I used that to try to mount my windows partition
[06:35] <membreya> nickoli: very good, makes my life so much easier :) especially with cron and squid :)
[06:35] <adoyretsamon> it will walk you thru it
[06:35] <Stas> and I can't access it
[06:35] <Stas> unless I'm root
[06:35] <nickoli> membreya can i use that for my gateway
[06:36] <membreya> if it's running on your gateway
[06:36] <adoyretsamon> Stas, you need to use r
[06:36] <adoyretsamon> not rw
[06:36] <Stas> oh
[06:36] <nickoli> membreya what exactly is webmin for
[06:36] <Stas> I can't write to it?
[06:36] <adoyretsamon> correct
[06:36] <Stas> :(
[06:36] <propagandhi> webmin is just a web browser based administrator desk
[06:36] <adoyretsamon> if you value the data, then do not eve try
[06:36] <DracosX> I believe firestarter is in universe
[06:36] <Stas> lol thanks for the warning!
[06:36] <propagandhi> lets u edit running services and a whole bunch of other stuff
[06:36] <adoyretsamon> yup
[06:36] <mainer> eruin:  http://www.netfilter.org/
[06:36] <Stas> is ntfs support not so good here?
[06:36] <Stas> ;p
[06:36] <jldugger_> nickoli, its a way of administering a server with only a stupid webbrowser
[06:37] <adoyretsamon> reading ntfs is fine
[06:37] <membreya> nickoli: web based interface to services
[06:37] <eruin> mainer, DracosX - cheers ;-)
[06:37] <DracosX> no prob
[06:37] <propagandhi> which is damned handy when ur not sitting at the computer
[06:37] <nickoli> jldugger_ i like this configuring my gateway just go easier
[06:37] <adoyretsamon> Stas, better off to make a fat32 drive for sharing between them
[06:37] <mainer> n.p.
[06:37] <adoyretsamon> drive/partition
[06:37] <DracosX> I'd prefer to use a custom iptables shell script, but firestarter is hella easier for the inexperienced
[06:37] <Stas> ok :))
[06:37] <nickoli> how do i access the webmin interface
[06:37] <Stas> gotcha
[06:37] <Stas> alright
[06:37] <adoyretsamon> guarddog works well for firewall config too
[06:38] <propagandhi> nickoli: install webmin first
[06:38] <jldugger_> Stas, I've been told by certain people that ntfs is doing fine these days, but they also consider ~x86 "doing fine"
[06:38] <adoyretsamon> http://localhost:10000
[06:38] <nickoli> propagandhi alright im just now install my gateway
[06:38] <Stas> so do I let dpkg-reconfigure autodetect my video settings
[06:38] <adoyretsamon> after installing
[06:38] <Stas> ?
[06:38] <adoyretsamon> webmin
[06:38] <adoyretsamon> Stas, it does a good job
[06:38] <nickoli> adoyretsamon ohh sorry im installing the ubuntu server pkgs
[06:38] <adoyretsamon> but you can change
[06:38] <nickoli> my p2 is slow
[06:38] <adoyretsamon> ic
[06:39] <mainer> dracosx: ipkungfu is one of the best,very well-commented config file and easy install
[06:39] <DracosX> thanks, will check it out - still though, I prefer to roll my own firewall ;)
[06:40] <laszlok> what is the kernel version for hoary (uname -r)?
[06:40] <neonlightning> how do i mount all my partitions i have 4 that arn't mounted
[06:40] <nickoli> yea
[06:40] <nickoli> neonlightning mount /dev
[06:40] <adoyretsamon> add them to /etc/fstab
[06:40] <adoyretsamon> then run
[06:40] <adoyretsamon> sudo mount -a
[06:40] <nickoli> that might help
[06:40] <mainer> dracosx: also check www.rootkit.nl     good security tool
[06:40] <Stas> crap
[06:40] <Stas> how do i go back a screen in dpkg-reconfigure?
[06:41] <nickoli> anyone here use amarok
[06:41] <adoyretsamon> amarok, it stinks
[06:41] <nickoli> adoyretsamon i was considering installing it to organize my list
[06:41] <laszlok> amarok is the best, i use it
[06:41] <DracosX> hehe, yeah, that one's been bookmarked for a while now
[06:42] <DracosX> thanks again though
[06:42] <helio1> If I simply change Driver to "nv" instead of nvidia will that disable the proprietary drivers?
[06:42] <nickoli> yes
[06:42] <helio1> (in xorg.conf)
[06:42] <adoyretsamon> i hear beep (bmp) is a good player
[06:42] <geneo91> to much clutter
[06:42] <adoyretsamon> helio1, the proprietary drivers will still be installed and have "hosed" your kernel modules
[06:42] <Stas> ok
[06:42] <wastrel> hello.  whereabouts would i go to find my grub config file for editation thereof?
[06:43] <geneo91> helio1:  yes
[06:43] <Stas> I still can't change my refresh rate
[06:43] <Stas> :((
[06:43] <Stas> above 60
[06:43] <nickoli> Stas you xorg that
[06:43] <DracosX> wastrel: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:43] <helio1> so adoyretsamon what do you recommend?
[06:43] <adoyretsamon> Stas, did you log out and back in>?
[06:43] <adoyretsamon> helio1, for sound?
[06:43] <sig> Dr_Aevil: you around?
[06:43] <wastrel> merci
[06:44] <helio1> adoyretsamon: no, for removing the NVIDIA proprietary drivers, considering I think that's why my system keeps Crashing
[06:44] <DracosX> quite welcome ;)
[06:44] <adoyretsamon> helio1, did you update them
[06:44] <nickoli> helio1 you properly config xorg
[06:44] <Stas> yeah
[06:44] <adoyretsamon> to the latest
[06:44] <Stas> I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:44] <Stas> and I still can't choose any higher refresh rate
[06:44] <Stas> s
[06:44] <adoyretsamon> helio1, there is an uninstall script for that...
[06:45] <adoyretsamon> Stas, ctrl-alt-bkspc?
[06:45] <Stas> and then?
[06:45] <nickoli> Stas backup the xorg file, then go crazy in it
[06:45] <adoyretsamon> ok
[06:45] <adoyretsamon> so he now logged out
[06:45] <adoyretsamon> hehe
[06:45] <nickoli> does the timezone really matter
[06:46] <nickoli> every install ask for it
[06:46] <Stas> that just restarted
[06:46] <adoyretsamon> ok
[06:46] <adoyretsamon> i know
[06:46] <Stas> and closed all the apps
[06:46] <adoyretsamon> but no res change?
[06:46] <Stas> and I am going to go blind
[06:46] <adoyretsamon> man, what card?
[06:46] <Stas> the card is recognized fine
[06:46] <Stas> geforce fx5600
[06:46] <adoyretsamon> ah, ok
[06:46] <adoyretsamon> same as mine on my suse box
[06:46] <adoyretsamon> with xorg
[06:47] <Stas> but I want to use 1280x1024 @ 85Hz
[06:47] <adoyretsamon> i have nice res there
[06:47] <Stas> or anything lower, at 100Hz
[06:47] <Stas> but I CANNOT
[06:47] <adoyretsamon> let me pastebin my settings
[06:47] <Stas> it's not in the lists!!
[06:47] <adoyretsamon> you will have to hack the xorg config file
[06:47] <DracosX> Stas: gtf 1280 1024 85
[06:47] <Stas> can I just add my own res/refresh
[06:47] <Stas> where is it
[06:47] <adoyretsamon> just sec
[06:47] <DracosX> that will give you the modeline
[06:47] <nomasteryoda> i have to go back to this box
[06:47] <DracosX> check to see if you monitor horizontal sync was detected correctly
[06:48] <Stas> ??
[06:48] <DracosX> I've had to edit xorg.conf several times on fresh installs due to monitor HSync
[06:48] <Stas> root@ubuntu:/mnt # ls -l
[06:48] <Stas> total 12
[06:48] <Stas> dr-x------  1 root root 12288 2005-04-13 02:45 Windows
[06:48] <MMond> short nub question: If I've installed apache 2 by practically doing "apt-get install apache2" and such.. with php4 the same way (and it's working, actually..) can I recompile it existing as it now is? (Main reason I'm doing it is because I need to get mysql working too, and keep in mind.. that I'm a nub, been using Linux for two weeks now-- haven't yet compiled anything by myself)
[06:48] <DracosX> in a terminal: gtf 1280 1024 85
[06:49] <Stas> I can't access my windows partition unless I'm root
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> Stas, what size monitor?
[06:49] <Stas> :|
[06:49] <Stas> 19"
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> Stas, you need to change permissions on the mount point
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:49] <jldugger_> mmond: you might investigate "apt-source"
[06:49] <nomasteryoda> i'll bet it is the same as mine
[06:50] <jldugger_> MMond, err, apt-get source
[06:50] <MMond> got it, thanks jldugger_
[06:50] <Stas> ok
[06:50] <Stas> gtf 1280 1024 85
[06:50] <DracosX> mmond: mysql support will work without recompiling if you're interested
[06:51] <Stas> and ctrlaltbackspace
[06:51] <Stas> didn't do much
[06:51] <DracosX> no, gtf will output a modeline
[06:51] <Stas> and then what
[06:51] <DracosX> paste that into your xorg.conf in the monitor section
[06:51] <nomasteryoda> just look at my file... using 19" dell crt
[06:51] <MMond> DracosX: Mmm? o.0 I've tried download the adequate module files . . . couldn't do it. How else might it be possible?
[06:51] <MMond> +ing*
[06:51] <Stas> ok
[06:51] <Stas> I can barely read
[06:51] <Stas> after 30 minutes of this
[06:51] <Stas> my eyes are red
[06:52] <DracosX> check your php.ini file to ensure the extension is uncommented - also be sure to sudo apt-get install php4-mysql
[06:52] <Stas> and Ihave a headache
[06:52] <Stas> can you please just tell me where I can put this modeline?
[06:52] <DracosX> sorry, heh... that was for mmond
[06:52] <DracosX> yeah, one sec
[06:52] <nomasteryoda> Stas, look at my suse file... http://www.pastbin.com
[06:52] <nomasteryoda> click nomasteryoda
[06:52] <nomasteryoda> http://pastebin.com/270679
[06:53] <DracosX> Stas: http://www.linux-core.net/xorg.conf
[06:53] <adoyretsamon> thanks
[06:54] <Stas> ok
[06:54] <Stas> so I saved it
[06:54] <Stas> now how do I apply? ;p
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> that is the fun part
[06:55] <nomasteryoda> you need to compare what is in ubuntu to the one i pasted
[06:56] <nomasteryoda> i hate this part of Linux, but at least it can be configured without getting some lame driver from a vendor
[06:56] <DracosX> MMond: sudo nano -w /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini - look for the extensions section and ensure you have 'extension=mysql.so' uncommented
[06:57] <Stas> ok guys
[06:57] <lan> Hi ppl
[06:57] <Stas> my eyes are ACTUALLY watering now
[06:57] <nickoli> Stas lol
[06:57] <Stas> the gtf modeline didn't do anythiny
[06:58] <Stas> when added to my xorg.conf
[06:58] <lan> Would anyone help me with a wireless network problem in ubuntu please?
[06:58] <DracosX> hmm... did you add the mode in the Screen section?
[06:58] <Stas> I am  snapping the ubuntu disc into bits I think
[06:58] <Stas> it's pretty much completely useless
[06:58] <Stas> it seems
[06:58] <Stas> because I can't stay at my computer
[06:58] <Stas> for longer than 10 minutes
[06:58] <Stas> no, I put it in Monitor...
[06:59] <DracosX> yeah... I'm not that good at explaining, but I'll do my best here:
[06:59] <nomasteryoda> Stas, let's give it a chance
[06:59] <Stas> Section "Monitor"
[06:59] <Stas> 	Identifier	"Generic Monitor"
[06:59] <Stas> 	Option		"DPMS"
[06:59] <Stas> 	HorizSync	30-65
[06:59] <Stas> 	VertRefresh	50-75
[06:59] <Stas> 	# 1280x1024 @ 85.00 Hz (GTF) hsync: 91.38 kHz; pclk: 159.36 MHz
[06:59] <Stas> 	Modeline "1280x1024_85.00"  159.36  1280 1376 1512 1744  1024 1025 1028 1075 -HSync +Vsync
[06:59] <Stas> EndSection
[06:59] <Stas> that's from my /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:59] <jldugger_> heh
[07:00] <DracosX> yes, that's rught so far - you said that's a 19" monitor, correct?
[07:00] <Stas> yeah
[07:00] <Stas> I use 1280x1024@85 in windows
[07:00] <Stas> I'll settle for lower res
[07:00] <Stas> but high refresh
[07:00] <DracosX> the hsync rangs should be at least 91.38 kHz - you have a max hsync set to 65 kHz
[07:00] <nomasteryoda> nah, you can get higher
[07:01] <Stas> here's from screen
[07:01] <Stas> Section "Screen"
[07:01] <Stas> 	Identifier	"Default Screen"
[07:01] <Stas> 	Device		"NVIDIA Corporation NV31 [GeForce FX 5600] "
[07:01] <Stas> 	Monitor		"Generic Monitor"
[07:01] <Stas> 	DefaultDepth	24
[07:01] <DracosX> change the HorizSync 30-65 line to 30-100
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> yikes
[07:01] <Stas> .
[07:01] <Stas> .
[07:01] <Stas> .
[07:01] <Stas> 	SubSection "Display"
[07:01] <Stas> 		Depth		24
[07:01] <Stas> 		Modes		"1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
[07:01] <DracosX> and the VertRefresh to 50-90
[07:01] <Stas> 	EndSubSection
[07:01] <Stas> EndSection
[07:01] <nomasteryoda> Stas, pastebin.com is free and the best place for such
[07:02] <DracosX> after you've changed the HorizSync and VertRefresh
[07:02] <Stas> and then ctrl-alt-backspc?
[07:02] <DracosX> change your Modes to
[07:02] <neonlightning> how do i get jre installed so i can run azureus because i don't see jre anywhere in synaptic
[07:02] <DracosX><EMAIL_ADDRESS>"1280x1024" "1024x768" etc
[07:02] <DracosX> but the HorizSync and VertRefresh changes are 100% necessary
[07:02] <nomasteryoda> neonlightning: you using hoary?
[07:03] <neonlightning> warty
[07:03] <Stas> OH OK
[07:03] <tritium> neonlightning, Method 2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Java
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> ah, then you need to manually edit your sources.list
[07:03] <nomasteryoda> read the wiki tritium posted
[07:03] <DracosX> I should probably write a how-to on this, I've dealt with it 5 times since saturday
[07:04] <MMond> DracosX: I don't see anything like 'extension=mysql.se' per se, but things such as 'mysql.allow_persistent = On' and such on are there?
[07:04] <Stas> ok
[07:04] <Stas> now \
[07:04] <Stas> after I did that
[07:04] <nomasteryoda> DracosX: LOL
[07:04] <jldugger_>  what's the deal? generic monitor?
[07:04] <nomasteryoda> then you could just point people to the URL
[07:04] <MMond> Not really familiar with nano, heh, I think I might have messed things up with that, I'll go ahead and try with leafpad, sec
[07:04] <DracosX> jldugger_: exactly
[07:04] <nomasteryoda> MMond: try vi
[07:04] <jldugger_> ive got a cheapo brand one, and it works fine =/
[07:05] <DracosX> Stas: after you've added the modeline, adjusted the HorizSync and VertRefresh, AND added the mode to your screen section
[07:05] <DracosX> then you should be able to ctrl+alt+backspace
[07:05] <Stas> phew
[07:05] <Stas> that KINDA worked
[07:05] <DracosX> man, I typed slow
[07:06] <Stas> the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>is not a valid mode specification though
[07:06] <DracosX> sorry, had a comment for you while you were out
[07:06] <Stas> without that, it worked fine though
[07:06] <Stas> oh
[07:06] <DracosX> it should match your modeline
[07:06] <DracosX><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[07:06] <Stas> well, I just left it at 1280x1024
[07:06] <DracosX> er
[07:06] <Stas> and then used the res picker
[07:06] <DracosX> my bad
[07:06] <DracosX> yeah
[07:06] <Stas> to choose the 85hz
[07:06] <Stas> and it worked
[07:06] <jldugger_> stas: there should be a res select
[07:06] <DracosX> sweet
[07:07] <Stas> and I don't want to touch it anymore ;p
[07:07] <MMond> nomasteryoda: not elite enough to use vi yet . . . gonna go with GUI for the time being (linux nub.. first time using it :x)
[07:07] <DracosX> the problem has to do with monitor detection
[07:07] <jldugger_> stas, have you installed nvidia drivers yet?
[07:07] <Stas> no?
[07:07] <DracosX> I haven't been able to sort it out yet, but at least I know how to work around it
[07:07] <Stas> I don't think I have
[07:07] <jldugger_> then ya aint done
[07:07] <jldugger_> ;)
[07:07] <Stas> this is actually a livecd
[07:07] <Stas> ;p
[07:07] <jldugger_> man.
[07:07] <DracosX> ouch
[07:07] <Stas> I TRIED installing the drivers actually
[07:07] <sig> savetoby.com
[07:07] <nomasteryoda> MMond, congrats man
[07:07] <jldugger_> you better remember what the man told you
[07:07] <Stas> I got pretty far
[07:08] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[07:08] <Stas> I quit X, installed gcc
[07:08] <jldugger_> heh
[07:08] <jldugger_> why
[07:08] <Stas> but it couldn't find some tree
[07:08] <MMond> nomasteryoda: Yeah, you lost me, congrats -- for being a nub?
[07:08] <jldugger_> it needs the kernel
[07:08] <Stas> to install from
[07:08] <Stas> yeah
[07:08] <Stas> kernel sources
[07:08] <Stas> is what it wanted
[07:08] <Stas> and I don't think I have those
[07:08] <jldugger_> you should be fine with kernel-headers
[07:08] <nomasteryoda> MMond: for using Linux
[07:08] <jldugger_> but
[07:08] <DracosX> Stas: I'll work on a how-to over the next few days
[07:08] <nomasteryoda> or n00b
[07:08] <Stas> heh thanks :)
[07:08] <DracosX> as soon as it's done, I'll post it on the forums
[07:08] <nomasteryoda> on Linux
[07:09] <Stas> it's pretty straightforward actually
[07:09] <Stas> the gtf thing is nice
[07:09] <MMond> nomasteryoda: Oh . . . yeah . . . yeah, put it on a 266 mhz laptop . . . my big guns do deserve words of praise indeed
[07:09] <DracosX> yeah
[07:09] <DracosX> it is, actually
[07:09] <Stas> I just needed to know where to put the line I guess
[07:09] <nomasteryoda> wow
[07:09] <Stas> aotehu
[07:09] <MMond> 7 year old laptop
[07:09] <Stas> how do I mount my ntfs partition
[07:09] <MMond> If not older o.0
[07:09] <Stas> so I can read it non-root+
[07:09] <Stas> ?
[07:10] <jldugger_> stas, http://ubuntuguide.org/
[07:10] <DracosX> sudo mount /dev/NTFS /mnt/point -o users is one way
[07:10] <b2s> has anyone used captive-ntfs working under ubuntu?
[07:10] <DracosX> unless it's too late at night and my brain has gone to sleep already
[07:11] <MMond> Using it merely because I wanted to get to know php a little better . . . it's been pleasent . . . just got like 4 problems, and I'd then actually be ready to make the switch for it on my main desktop (4 problems, as of this are 1) floppy drive not working 2) battery problems.. as soon as I unhook the power cord, it goes off 3) sound card not detected 4) damn, I forgot number 4 5) yeah.. my 5th problem is that I forgot what my 4th problem w
[07:11] <MMond> as)
[07:12] <lan> my wireless problem: I can't  ping my router but I can see it from iwlist wlan0 scan. My route command takes 10 seconds to show the default gateway path. Any ideas you experts?
[07:12] <DracosX> Stas: Actually, after thinking a bit about it, I'll post a few howtos at www.linux-core.net (haven't built the site yet :P) - check it after a few days
[07:12] <Stas> ok got it thanks :)
[07:12] <Stas> good plan Dracos ;p
[07:12] <nomasteryoda> definitely
[07:13] <MMond> Definitely? Was that to me? Be more precise dammit!
[07:14] <nomasteryoda> about DracosX's comment
[07:14] <nomasteryoda> posting this info in a howto would be nice
[07:14] <Stas> hmm
[07:14] <Stas> mp3s don't play
[07:14] <Stas> ;p
[07:14] <Gunblade> Hey all I am having some trouble with connecting to the internet with Ubuntu with a wireless card
[07:15] <jldugger_> I've got a wierd problem with rebooting. with hoary, when I reboot, it locks on "detecting DMI channels" or something like that. doens't do it on a hard poweroff, though
[07:15] <nomasteryoda> let me guess, it is a broadcom chipset
[07:15] <nomasteryoda> that was for Gunblade
[07:15] <MMond> DracosX: I tried finding, literally "extension=mysql.so" .. only place found was in these: ; Example lines: // ; extension=mysql.so // ; extension=gd.so // - should I remove the ";" here? (Hesitated doing so before.. cuz it said "Example.." but I'm not familiar with linux, so I'm probably very likely wrong)
[07:15] <b2s> Stas: needs some extra package for mp3s.  its in one of the faqs
[07:15] <Gunblade> I don't know, it's a "CiscO Systems" whirelss card that came with teh laptop...
[07:16] <DracosX> that would be correct - either uncomment that line or add a line below that
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> er, cisco might be fine
[07:16] <da_bon_bon> sig: that dude made hel lottsa money, huh ? :(
[07:16] <DracosX> I'd suggest adding a new line
[07:16] <sig> lol
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> Gunblade: in terminal, type sudo -s
[07:16] <MMond> DracosX: Got it, I'll get right on it. thanks again
[07:16] <Gunblade> The OS detects and shows the signal connection but thats it...
[07:16] <DracosX> no problem
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> Gunblade: then lspci
[07:16] <DracosX> something else to go into the how-to collection, hehe
[07:16] <nomasteryoda> find out just what the model is
[07:17] <Gunblade> then what
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> you could grep it too, but the list should be pretty small
[07:17] <navreet> Ubuntu rules!
[07:17] <Gunblade> grep?
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> let us know what you have
[07:17] <MMond> DracosX: Anything else I would need to alter in php.ini? Or should this do it and get me rolling and coding php with mysql?
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> Gunblade: yea
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> sudo lspci | grep cisco
[07:17] <navreet> MMond, maximum file upload size
[07:17] <nomasteryoda> or something like that
[07:17] <tritium> Stas, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:17] <DracosX> that should do it - be sure to check the output of phpinfo(); after reloading the apache config
[07:17] <DracosX> to be sure the module is loaded
[07:18] <MMond> navreet: Hmm? o.0
[07:18] <Stas> thanks!
[07:18] <Gunblade> Ok first I should have told you I am very very very new to linux and Ubuntu is my favorite out of many I have tried these past months and I am reading a lot about it...but other wise no idea how anything works lol
[07:18] <MMond> It does say now "'--with-mysql=shared,/usr" in merely 'configure command' o.0
[07:18] <DracosX> grep, egrep, fgrep, rgrep - print lines matching a pattern
[07:19] <navreet> MMond, I don't know what you plan on doing with PHP and MySql, but if you ever want to allow uploading of files, I just want to remind you that there's a default limit [of a few megs] , sometimes people want to up that to somethingg else
[07:19] <DracosX> good point
[07:19] <nomasteryoda> Gunblade: ok
[07:19] <MMond> navreet: Not exactly sure where you're coming from at this . . . I will be working locally . . . (whole reason is just playing with mysql/php)
[07:20] <DracosX> in that case, you'll probably be fine with the defaults
[07:20] <holycow> Gunblade, it will take a while to learn
[07:20] <DracosX> in either case, I'll post a how-to on apache2/php configuration as well
[07:20] <DracosX> apache2/php/mysql that is
[07:21] <MMond> navreet: Nevertheless, thank you for pointing out, because one of the things that I'll be playing around with will involve creating uploading scripts - thanks :D
[07:21] <jldugger_> nomasteryoda, do you have to be root to do an lspci?
[07:21] <nomasteryoda> sudo lspci
[07:21] <nomasteryoda> yes
[07:21] <jldugger_> nomasteryoda, i dont think so
[07:21] <jldugger_> its working for me
[07:21] <DracosX> jldugger_: not on my machine
[07:21] <MMond> DracosX: Where exactly do you post these 'how-to's? I'd be interested in reading them :D
[07:21] <adoyretsamon> ok
[07:21] <adoyretsamon> maybe not
[07:21] <jldugger_> hmm.
[07:22] <adoyretsamon> yea, loandbehold it works as user
[07:22] <adoyretsamon> cool
[07:22] <vasi> hey, i found a bug in a multiverse package, and i figured out what's causing it....what do i do next? :-)
[07:22] <adoyretsamon> not on suse tho
[07:22] <DracosX> well, hehe - I haven't actually started yet, but I registered linux-core.net a few months ago for personal use, and this week, I'll be working on getting it up and running
[07:22] <DracosX> there should be something posted at ubuntuforums.org as soon as it's ready
[07:22] <DracosX> since the majority of content will be centered around my distro of choice
[07:23] <Stas> ok mp3s "play<
[07:23] <Stas> "
[07:23] <Stas> but I don't hear anything
[07:23] <Stas> (I use s/pdif)
[07:23] <DracosX> right now it's just a wordpress blog that I haven't done anything with
[07:23] <kishu> does anyone here have grub boot ubuntu and windows xp?
[07:24] <tritium> kishu, yes
[07:24] <winding_> I had
[07:24] <MMond> DracosX: I'm comparing the phpinfo files from the work that I'm working here to the a host that I own . . . the host that I bought, in which everything, including mysql, works perfectly.. has this in it, whereas mine doesn't ;\ mysql // MySQL Support	enabled // Active Persistent Links 	2 // Active Links 	2
[07:24] <winding_> i had
[07:24] <MMond> But now, as opposed to before, merely in the "configure command" at the very top of the phpinfo file, it has '--with-mysql=shared,/usr' on it
[07:24] <kishu> tritium, how did you do it? windows xp overwrites grub's mbr right? how do you avoid that
[07:25] <nomasteryoda> install xp first
[07:25] <tritium> kishu, I had WinXP installed first
[07:25] <winding_> kisshu , you coule install the grub for dos
[07:25] <winding_> or you can install grub again
[07:25] <DracosX> hmm
[07:26] <root> could anybody help me figure out why my grub is not installing
[07:26] <jldugger_> kishu, you can install xp first, or boot the ubuntu cd in rescue mode and reinstall grub
[07:26] <jldugger_> the 2nd method is a bit tricky for those not qualified to be systems administrators in a pinch
[07:28] <dr_willis> i justuse my pc's bios/boot menu feature :P it will ask what drive to boot off of. :P
[07:28] <eruin> anyone know of a nice gtk2 rss reader?
[07:28] <jldugger_> Dr_willis: wont help if you've got the, both on the same drive
[07:29] <dr_willis> jldugger_,  yep - that would suck. I found out this New MB can even boot off my USB drive.. and ubuntu saw it - and could even install to it. (havent tried that yet however)
[07:29] <wrlima> help, is msg: Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?), play in xmms
[07:30] <wrlima> help, is msg: Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?), play in xmms
[07:31] <kishu> does that mean that I have to have Win XP on the first partition??
[07:31] <cert> hello
[07:31] <cert> anyone knows how to activate ubuntu calendar
[07:31] <cert> i have installed
[07:31] <cert> but i don't see any change
[07:31] <cert> i have search on the desktop, login
[07:31] <eruin> select your background image
[07:31] <cert> still i don't see any new paper
[07:31] <cert> new wallpaper
[07:32] <ctd> cert: change the background image to 'ubuntu calendar'
[07:32] <kishu> jldugger_. do I have to have win xp on the first partition??
[07:32] <eruin> have you rightclicked your desktop and chosen change background?
[07:32] <cert> background image
[07:32] <cert> where
[07:32] <jldugger_> kishu, I don't think so, but it usually helps
[07:32] <holycow> if anyone is having sound problems in hoary with xmms or flash the solution is here: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary
[07:32] <cert> i do not see any option
[07:32] <ctd> cert: right click the desktop and select 'change desktop background'
[07:33] <cert> yes
[07:33] <cert> all i see are
[07:33] <cert> No wall apper, ubuntu sparkle, ubuntu sparkle widescreen
[07:33] <navreet> is there an easy way to execute 32bit of firefox [so that I can use java and stuff]  on amd64 version of ubuntu?
[07:33] <cert> only these there
[07:33] <cert> whereas i have installed all the ubuntu calendar
[07:33] <blizah> how would i queue up files in firefox?
[07:34] <blizah> from a web page...
[07:34] <holycow> easy
[07:34] <nomasteryoda> blizah, extension called flashgot
[07:34] <holycow> gimme a sec lemme find the apps you need
[07:34] <holycow> oh right what noma said
[07:34] <blizah> k
[07:34] <holycow> and you need a download utility in linux
[07:34] <holycow> xdownload or something like that
[07:34] <da_bon_bon> why is the limit for primary partiton on a drive only 4 ?
[07:35] <cert> ctd : did i do something wrong
[07:35] <blizah> is that in the universe?
[07:35] <winding> anbody konws haw to install xfce and haw to confige it
[07:35] <cert> ctd : i have used synaptic
[07:35] <nomasteryoda> winding, apt-get install xfce
[07:35] <ctd> da_bon_bon: cross-compatibility with old stuff
[07:35] <ctd> cert: shouldn't have
[07:35] <cert> ctd: why didn't i see anything
[07:35] <blizah> nomasteryoda is taht in synaptic?
[07:35] <cert> ??
[07:36] <nomasteryoda> it should be
[07:36] <wrlima> help, is msg: Can't find a suitable libao driver. (Is device in use?), play in xmms
[07:36] <blizah> nomasteryoda hrm cant find it
[07:36] <cert> anyone could help me?
[07:36] <nomasteryoda> let me look again
[07:36] <winding> nomasteryoda, hao to configure  and set it be deauful x
[07:37] <nomasteryoda> in hoary, you need to add universe
[07:37] <ctd> cert: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=8721
[07:38] <da_bon_bon> ctd: like ? i mean, old stuff like ?
[07:38] <cert> not
[07:38] <cert> sorry
[07:38] <ctd> da_bon_bon: dos and others
[07:39] <da_bon_bon> ctd: but why is dos such limited?
[07:39] <wrlima> please
[07:40] <ctd> da_bon_bon: "62kB of ram is all we'll ever need"
[07:40] <da_bon_bon> ctd: bloody bas***d bill gates and microsoft
[07:41] <Fazer> Hello, I bought a PCMCIA Ethernet card, the CD that it came with apparently has Linux drivers in it...will it autodetect it with Ubuntu by any chance?
[07:41] <ctd> da_bon_bon: remember, too, harddisks were rather small back then
[07:41] <dr_willis> Fazer,  most likely it should not need the drivers off that cd. :P
[07:41] <ctd> da_bon_bon: 100mb, anyone?
[07:41] <Fazer> dr_willis: Haha, awesome ;)
[07:41] <da_bon_bon> ctd: 100mb < required for gnome/kde :D
[07:41] <dr_willis> Fazer,  its amazeing really  that they can fit sooo many drivers onto a normal install.
[07:41] <aragorn2909> #ubuntu
[07:41] <MM2> what apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade really upgrades?
[07:42] <da_bon_bon> ctd:  actually i have partitioned my disk very badly. is it possible to now enclose some of primary partition in extended without data loss ?
[07:42] <Fazer> dr_willis: Yeah, that would be awesome.  Is PCMCIA also Plug and Play in Linux?
[07:42] <dr_willis> Fazer,  ive had very good luck with ubuntu and all my hardware..
[07:42] <dr_willis> Fazer,  linux has made great headway in this area over the last 2 years.
[07:42] <Fazer> dr_willis: Ah, how about old Thinkpads?
[07:42] <ctd> da_bon_bon: depends, you basically need to pull all the data off to another media, repartition those bits and restore it.
[07:43] <ctd> MM2: everything.
[07:43] <ctd> MM2: everything theres upgrades for
[07:43] <dr_willis> Fazer,  proberly should be fine. :P  but hoiw old is OLD.. :P
[07:43] <da_bon_bon> ctd: without writing to cds i have no other option ?
[07:43] <MM2> firefox stayed in version 0.9.3, desktop is same old...
[07:43] <Fazer> dr_willis: Its a Thinkpad 600E with 366 Mhz and 160 MB ram.
[07:43] <pvh> Where would I set my MP3 player to play out of the back speakers as well as the front ones?
[07:43] <ctd> da_bon_bon: i did something similar, and copied over a network.
[07:43] <pvh> Would it be in Alsa, Gstreamer or the player itself?
[07:44] <dr_willis> Fazer,  i had ubuntu and a pcmcia nic workin on my Pent100 Laptop. :P now thats an old one..
[07:44] <dr_willis> :P
[07:44] <dr_willis> Fazer,  took it like 2 hrs to install. Lol.. 1x cd drive I think.
[07:44] <Fazer> dr_willis: Woah, awesome!
[07:44] <Fazer> dr_willis: haha, figures
[07:45] <Fazer> dr_willis: So, do you think Ubuntu will run just as fine as Windows XP does? (speed-wise)
[07:45] <dr_willis> Fazer,  i find linux generally runs faster then xp.
[07:45] <ctd> ubuntu outperforms xp easily
[07:45] <dr_willis> expecially on thing as slow as a 366
[07:45] <dr_willis> even on high end stuff. Linux normally works better i find.
[07:46] <Fazer> dr_willis: How much tweaking you had to do?
[07:46] <cert> ctd : thanks
[07:47] <navreet> how can I get my "default" version of my Xorg config file?? [I want ubuntu to pretend that I never messed with it, etc.]
[07:47] <dr_willis> Fazer,  with ubuntu - very little actually.
[07:47] <cert> Fazer : i am a new user to linux and ubuntu.. i think ubuntu looks and works so much better than windowns
[07:48] <rohandhruva_> sorry got disconnected, can u repost, if anything was said for me ?
[07:48] <cert> only pity is there is not much bluetooth and infra-red supports
[07:49] <cert> most of these is not supported in ubuntu official network
[07:49] <Fazer_> bah, sorry about htat.
[07:50] <Fazer_> cert: Ah, awesome.
[07:54] <Huey> is there a way to install ubuntu on a computer without a cd-rom drive?
[07:54] <Huey> well the computer i'm trying to install actually has 3 cd-rom drives, but the ubuntu install hangs when "auto-detecting hardware", and we think it's trying to find the cd-rom drive
[07:54] <winding> Huey , you can install on your hda
[07:55] <arkais> google knows everithing Huey
[07:56] <Fazer> Hrmm...wow, now I have a plethora of spyware on my XP laptop
[07:56] <Huey> winding: what do you mean?
[07:56] <Fazer> heh, no service or updates installed whatsoever
[07:56] <Huey> winding: the install CD is what's hanging trying to detect the cd-rom drive
[07:57] <kkathman> can anyone tell me how to restart artsd ?
[07:58] <arkais> Huey what kind of pc is?
[07:58] <arkais> Huey is a desktop or notebook or laptop?
[07:58] <holycow> hey check out google.com, weird new gui that totally sux
[07:59] <arkais> holycow jajjajajaaja
[07:59] <Fazer> hmm/
[07:59] <Huey> arkais, it's a desktop
[07:59] <holycow> arkais, its back to normal now
[07:59] <holycow> weeeird
[08:00] <Huey> arkais, some of the cd-rom drives are on a promise raid controller, which i don't think the stock kernel has drivers for
[08:01] <blizah> you guys know if flashget can be gotten through synaptic?
[08:01] <Burgundavia> blizah, none of the ff extensions can be
[08:02] <Burgundavia> blizah, but they can be installed just the same
[08:02] <holycow> blizah, no, its a firefox only thing
[08:02] <holycow> Burgundavia, bizatch you beat me :)
[08:02] <blizah> hehe
[08:02] <Burgundavia> blizah, you can get Aria though synatpic though
[08:02] <Burgundavia> blizah, which flashget need to tie into
[08:02] <blizah> aria let me queue up stuff on a webpage?
[08:02] <blizah> ah k
[08:02] <blizah> flashget = firefox plugin?
[08:03] <Burgundavia> blizah, extension is the term actually
[08:03] <blizah> ah ok
[08:03] <da_bon_bon> blizah: flashget = download accelerator for windows
[08:03] <holycow> blizah, open up your extension manager in ff, and click get more extensions
[08:03] <holycow> it will bring you to where you need to dl them
[08:03] <blizah> holycow, + install aria (because im guessing its a dependency?)
[08:04] <blizah> ?
[08:04] <holycow> say what? whats aria? extensions only install them selves
[08:04] <Burgundavia> blizah, aria is not a dependency
[08:04] <Burgundavia> blizah, but flashget needs an external program to actually send the links to
[08:04] <blizah> burg, so is it needed?
[08:04] <Burgundavia> blizah, aria is that external program
[08:05] <Burgundavia> blizah, yes
[08:05] <blizah> k
[08:06] <holycow> okay this is stupid i've spent all day mucking in ubuntu
[08:06] <holycow> heh now i gotta go home and find  my fav themes *sigh* damned computers, too much fun :)
[08:06] <holycow> later all
[08:06] <holycow> oh and ubuntu rox
[08:06] <holycow> heh
[08:09] <Xgates> say if install the Linux kernel source for version 2.6.10 with Ubuntu patches, would I also need the Linux kernel tree for building prepackaged Ubuntu kernel images?
[08:09] <Xgates> I can't say I understand this tree, or else I'm no thinking clear here on what it is
[08:09] <Xgates> hmm
[08:09] <Xgates> I'm no/not ....
[08:09] <agnes> hey all!
[08:10] <agnes> is it possible to easily create a bootsplash in ubuntu?
[08:10] <Xgates> hello agnes
[08:10] <blizah> k tnx holy and burgundavia
[08:10] <membreya> agnes: for grub or for the boot of linux itself?
[08:10] <Xgates> sheesh this place is quiet
[08:10] <Burgundavia> blizah, hey np
[08:10] <agnes> membreya: for the linux boot itself..
[08:10] <agnes> membreya: though, to be honest, I hadn't made the distinction..
[08:11] <Xgates> bootsplash scare me, messing with the MBR, is just asking for problems
[08:11] <agnes> membreya: I can get grub to give me a splash.. but I thought that meant the linux boot would do it too..
[08:11] <membreya> AFAIK it's through recompiling the kernel only (but that was before the release of 5.04) I'm not sure if it easier now
[08:12] <Xgates> so can someone please explain to me this kernel tree for building prepackaged Ubuntu kernel images?
[08:12] <xiaogil> why gaim always tries to open my mails with Nvu ? How to change that ?
[08:12] <agnes> mem: Everyone says hoary supports it..
[08:13] <agnes> membreya: but how was it to be done before?
[08:13] <membreya> agnes: recompiling the kernel
[08:13] <membreya> but I haven't read up on it lately
[08:13] <blizah> burgundavia where in aria do i tell aria where to save things?
[08:13] <Burgundavia> blizah, hmm, you choose with flashget
[08:14] <blizah> ah ok
[08:14] <agnes> membreya: doesn't seem to me that I want to do that.. any idea where I can find some information about the current implementation
[08:14] <agnes> ?
[08:14] <blizah> temporary directory = destination for files?
[08:15] <blizah> ah does flashgot use firefox's place?
[08:15] <blizah> place for files...
[08:15] <mlh> daniels, have you seen the "the 100000MHz exceeds dcc(ddc?)" message in the xorg log?
[08:16] <Burgundavia> blizah, it should ask you when you grab stuff
[08:16] <blizah> k
[08:17] <kishu> if I add "(hd4)	/dev/hdb6" to /boot/grub/device.map does that mean that grub will see hdb6 as hd4?
[08:18] <navreet> what is the best way to get acroread7 in hoary?
[08:19] <Burgundavia> navreet, it is in the debian-marilliat repo
[08:19] <Burgundavia> navreet, I would recommend evince if you are in gnome
[08:19] <Burgundavia> navreet, acroread7 contains spyware
[08:19] <navreet> I am in gnome... but acroread7 is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better than everything else I've tried out together combined
[08:20] <Burgundavia> navreet, if you can live with the spyware. I personally am deeply offended by it
[08:20] <navreet> what kind of spyware is it?
[08:20] <cowbud> evince is getting there..
[08:20] <Burgundavia> tells a central server when you read a pdf file
[08:20] <Burgundavia> http://lwn.net/Articles/129729/
[08:21] <nomasteryoda> thanks Burgundavia
[08:21] <cowbud> hah not to mention acroread 7 with the mozilla plugin together is like 40 megs or something obscene..
[08:21] <Burgundavia> cowbud, evince is almost there, but not quite, but I will give up functionality for lack of spyware
[08:21] <nomasteryoda> i was wanting to tell people about that
[08:21] <nomasteryoda> hell, the install is 96mb
[08:21] <cowbud> Burgundavia: I find using gpdf and evince together works out for the time being :)
[08:21] <cowbud> nomasteryoda: ahh I just used the debs :) didn't bother with their install..
[08:21] <kishu> if I add "(hd4)	/dev/hdb6" to /boot/grub/device.map does that mean that grub will see hdb6 as hd4?
[08:21] <Burgundavia> cowbud, I have heard rumours that evince will be default for 2.12
[08:22] <Burgundavia> cowbud, and thus for breezy
[08:22] <nomasteryoda> cowbud: lol
[08:22] <nomasteryoda> yea
[08:22] <cowbud> Burgundavia: yah I wouldn't be surprised..
[08:22] <blizah> burgundavia, i right mouse click file in a folder and click flashgot all...should start downloading everything in aria right?...ps.  the web page is password protected if that matters
[08:22] <navreet> Burgundavia, I'll try evince... but if it sucks, I'll probably stick to acroread7, it doesn't really effect me much
[08:23] <Sp4rKy> hi
[08:23] <navreet> since the only thing I read are papers and stuff
[08:23] <membreya> agnes: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25144
[08:23] <membreya> it's called usplash
[08:23] <membreya> one of the developers feel free to correct me
[08:23] <daniels> mlh: how do you get 100000MHz?
[08:23] <holycow> navreet, evince is wonnerfull
[08:24] <Sp4rKy> where can i download w3?
[08:24] <Burgundavia> navreet, evince is still very new and not the most pretty, but it does work
[08:24] <Burgundavia> Sp4rKy, w3?