[12:13] <Daisuke_Ido> yep
[12:14] <Daisuke_Ido> just checking why he doesn't have write access to the drive.
[12:19] <Daisuke_Ido> you alright there, levi_?
[12:20] <levi_> and to reconnect i have to reboot
[12:20] <Daisuke_Ido> ah ha
[12:20] <Daisuke_Ido> reboot?
[12:20] <levi_> yeah
[12:20] <Filthpig> you're a fast rebooter, then
[12:20] <Filthpig> hehe
[12:20] <levi_> along with the fact that I can no longer play videos
[12:20] <levi_> and something just failed miserably with wireless assistants Dcops
[12:21] <levi_> Im sort of lost as to why
[12:21] <levi_> its not like I go touching anything
[12:21] <levi_> but anyway lets tackle one problem at a  timr
[12:21] <levi_> *e
[12:22] <levi_> Whatd you say I should do to write to my Disk?
[12:22] <levi_> Daisuke_Ido,
[12:23] <Arwen> w00t for /exec :-)
[12:23] <Alarm> why sometimes when i go on a window and press on administration mode, or open the adept manager , the application never asks me for the sudo password (which has as an effect not allowing me to go on)
[12:23] <Daisuke_Ido> alrighty then
[12:23] <Daisuke_Ido> levi_: hit alt+f2 and enter kate /etc/fstab
[12:24] <levi_> k
[12:24] <Daisuke_Ido> copy the contents of that file to pastebin and submit, then give us the URL :)
[12:24] <Daisuke_Ido> and in case you missed it
[12:24] <Daisuke_Ido> !pastebin | levi_
[12:24] <ubotu> levi_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:24] <levi_> should I run it with Sudo?
[12:24] <Daisuke_Ido> nope
[12:24] <levi_> mmk
[12:24] <levi_> and thx
[12:24] <Daisuke_Ido> you're welcome
[12:25] <levi_> Wish me luck on loading this page!
[12:26] <levi_> Okay.. is this what youd need? --> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18034/
[12:26] <Daisuke_Ido> you should be okay
[12:27] <jew> Me needs help w/ mpeg4 support in mplayer
[12:27] <levi_> same here in kaffiene
[12:27] <Daisuke_Ido> which drive is it that you're having issues with, hdb1 or hdd1?
[12:27] <adaptr> youse need xivd plugins
[12:27] <levi_> or as for anywhere else for that matter mp4s wont play on any program
[12:27] <jewski> where do i need to place the codecs directory
[12:27] <levi_> hdd1
[12:28] <Daisuke_Ido> well...  you have auto and noauto set, which is odd
[12:29] <jewski> I have the essential codecs pack from mplayer site. could someone please tell me where it should be placed.
[12:29] <acemo> anyone knows how i check the current length of an array in bash scripts?
[12:29] <adaptr> nowhere... get it from the repos
[12:29] <Daisuke_Ido> jewski: why didn't you just install them from the repos?
[12:29] <jewski> what is it named
[12:30] <levi_> mplay.hu gives you repos
[12:30] <levi_> *mplayer.hu
[12:30] <Daisuke_Ido> no, install from the OFFICIAL repos
[12:30] <levi_> that IS the official site
[12:30] <jewski> I dont see the codecs from any repository i see the mplayer package though
[12:30] <levi_> arent they official repos then?
[12:31] <Daisuke_Ido> ubuntu repos
[12:31] <Daisuke_Ido> those are the official ones :)
[12:31] <navajo> medibuntu
[12:31] <navajo> win32codec
[12:31] <Daisuke_Ido> medibuntu's good
[12:32] <Daisuke_Ido> levi_: open your fstab with kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[12:33] <levi_> kay
[12:33] <Daisuke_Ido> you should be fine with defaults on hdd1
[12:34] <levi_> ..
[12:34] <levi_> its identical
[12:34] <levi_> what was the point of that
[12:34] <levi_> Oh
[12:34] <levi_> Edit it
[12:34] <levi_> dur.
[12:34] <Daisuke_Ido> try /dev/hdd1 /media/hdd1 ext3 defaults 0 0
[12:35] <levi_> that exact line insert over the old one?
[12:35] <Daisuke_Ido> yep
[12:35] <levi_> just making sure =)
[12:35] <Daisuke_Ido> save it and go to a terminal
[12:36] <Daisuke_Ido> konsole or whatever your terminal of choice is
[12:36] <Arwen> is nvraid fakeraid?
[12:37] <Daisuke_Ido> levi_: sudo mount -a
[12:37] <JohnFlux> !kernel
[12:37] <levi_> okay
[12:37] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[12:37] <levi_> hmm
[12:37] <levi_> tried to munt the wrong device
[12:38] <levi_> *mount
[12:38] <levi_> cant I just go to it through konqurer and mount it there?
[12:38] <sdf_> what is the difference between gcc base and gcc ????
[12:38] <Daisuke_Ido> mount -a tries to mount all devices in fstab
[12:38] <levi_> I see.
[12:39] <Daisuke_Ido> cd /media/hdd1 && touch newfile
[12:40] <Arwen> sdf_, gcc-base is gcc without the gcc part
[12:40] <Arwen> sdf_, install the real gcc
[12:41] <Daisuke_Ido> levi_: then just ls to see if newfile exists.  if it does, it probably worked
[12:41] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm sure there's a more elegant way, i just don't know what it is
[12:41] <sdf_> arwen:g++ like gcc and what is the differenece between them??
[12:41] <Arwen> g++ is gcc for C++
[12:41] <Arwen> just install 'build-essential' - it'll take care of all this for you
[12:43] <weswh-> hmm, I just got an error during the Fesity upgrade, that it couldn't upgrade something related to samba (i don't even use samba). It said something like "the upgrade will abort..." I thought it meant just that package. but now there is nothing happening in the terminal view, and things have paused at 57% - what am I supposed to do?
[12:45] <weswh-> this is crazy. when I try to close the upgrade (with the thought of restarting it) it says the system may be in an unusable state, it is advised to resume the upgrade. great, resume then. heh
[12:45] <jbasilio> weswh-: drop to command line if you know how and do apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:46] <jbasilio> cntrl-alt-f1 .. or cycle through f1, f2, etc until you find a command line
[12:46] <levi_> IO cant touch the newfile
[12:46] <levi_> *I
[12:46] <levi_> I need to mount my drive
[12:47] <pete__> hia, any idea how i can change resoluton in kubuntu 7.04 with PS3... it defaults something VERY low and cant see half the options :/
[12:47] <weswh-> jbasilio: don't know "how" to do it...if i just run that, is it pretty explanatory?
[12:48] <Skyblast> Why doesn't a right click menu on rar files allow them to be extracted in Feisty? I have to open then up in Ark and extract there
[12:49] <Maxdamantus> Aw. Flash 8 won't install. :(
[12:49] <Arwen> Maxdamantus, haha
[12:49] <weswh-> it has my administration directory locked. /var/lib/dpkg. any idea how to kill whatever the upgrader was doing?
[12:49] <dope> is there a website I can go to to see what cable company is available in my area for internet?
[12:49] <Daisuke_Ido> mmmkay
[12:49] <jbasilio> weswh-: it's pretty self-explanatory ... you'll get a list of all packages that will be updated and then it'll just go
[12:49] <Maxdamantus> I'll install it using the Gentoo LiveCD and copy the Windows registry over, and see if that works.
[12:49] <Daisuke_Ido> sudo mount /dev/hdd1 /media/hdd1
[12:50] <jbasilio> weswh-: ps -ef | grep dpkg probably
[12:50] <Maxdamantus> hdd?
[12:50] <Maxdamantus> On ubuntu, they're all called sd*
[12:50] <Daisuke_Ido> Maxdamantus: not for you
[12:50] <Daisuke_Ido> and only since feisty
[12:50] <Maxdamantus> Oh.
[12:50] <Daisuke_Ido> edgy still uses the hd*
[12:50] <Maxdamantus> Why did they do that then?
[12:51] <Maxdamantus> I like hd*
[12:51] <Arwen> Daisuke_Ido, wait, even ATA hard drives are sd* in Feisty?
[12:51] <Daisuke_Ido> it was a change in the kernel
[12:51] <Maxdamantus> And sd* for USB, etc.
[12:51] <levi_> uirgh... forget it ill do it through system setting applet
[12:51] <Daisuke_Ido> Arwen: yep
[12:51] <weswh-> jbasilio: wow, that returned a mountain of information
[12:51] <Daisuke_Ido> sd for everything
[12:51] <Arwen> Daisuke_Ido, yay?
[12:51] <Daisuke_Ido> i like it
[12:51] <Daisuke_Ido> simplifies things :D
[12:51] <jbasilio> weswh-: ps did you mean?
[12:51] <Daisuke_Ido> but i also liked having hd and sd
[12:52] <Arwen> Daisuke_Ido, hmm, dist-upgrade failed to update my fstab so that was annoying :-\
[12:52] <weswh-> jbasilio: yes
[12:52] <Arwen> of course, my ATA devices were CD-ROMs so it wasn't a big deal
[12:52] <jbasilio> weswh-: can you quit out of the installer w/o quitting off the boot cd?  that way it'll exit out of dpkg processes?
[12:52] <Daisuke_Ido> probably still /dev/cdrom
[12:52] <levi_> wait it IS alerady mounted!
[12:52] <jbasilio> weswh-: otherwise do kill <number> on each process ...
[12:52] <levi_> Already*
[12:52] <Daisuke_Ido> levi_: is that good?
[12:52] <weswh-> jbasilio: i am on an installed system
[12:53] <Arwen> Daisuke_Ido, ye... but fstab had hd* entries for my CD-ROMs
[12:53] <levi_> well iunno lesse
[12:53] <bradley1970> hello
[12:53] <jbasilio> weswh-: oh, ok.  then what's running dpkg?  are you still in the graphical upgrader?
[12:53] <bradley1970> how do i run wine on ubuntu
[12:53] <levi_> x.x brb
[12:53] <weswh-> i dropped out to term, no - i exited the graphical installer
[12:54] <weswh-> well, when I did that ps command in the pure term, i couldn't even make sense of it. going to try it in a GUI term
[12:54] <jbasilio> weswh-: dpkg shouldn't be running if you have exited any apps that were helping you with your upgrade.  not synaptic or adept or anything, right?
[12:55] <weswh-> it's all exited. when the upgrader had the error, it must have hung it up
[12:55] <weswh-> ok, when I do the ps, I see two things, one by root, one by my user
[12:55] <weswh-> after root it lists literally a few hundred .deb paths
[12:57] <weswh-> root 16871 5914 1, user 19619 19602 0
[12:57] <weswh-> those are the "numbers" it reports - are all of those processes I need to kill?
[12:58] <jbasilio> weswh-: the first number is the process number .. so kill <number>
[12:58] <jbasilio> weswh-: see if it dies.  if it doesn't, kill -9 <number>
[12:58] <Arwen> and if kill -9 doesn't work, reboot
[12:58] <jbasilio> weswh-: only for the processes with dpkg in them tho!
[12:59] <jbasilio> Arwen: he's trying to avoid reboot since he's in a weird upgrade state
[12:59] <jbasilio> weswh-: you might need to sudo kill too .. see what you can do as normal user first though
[12:59] <pafnutiy> hi all! sorry, im new in ubuntu, but i my media players dont play videos from LAN. can anyone help me?
[01:00] <jbasilio> BluesKaj: i had digital working with mythtv before with turtle beach riviera.  had to go into alsamixer and enable it though .. was a pain to figure that out
[01:00] <Arwen> pafnutiy, define "from LAN"
[01:00] <jbasilio> pafnutiy: they play locally though?  lan shouldn't matter
[01:01] <pafnutiy> yes, they play local files normally
[01:01] <jbasilio> pafnutiy: shouldn't matter, especially in kde ... what app?  have you tried any other apps?  (i.e. kmplayer, kaffeine)
[01:02] <BluesKaj> jbasilio: I had it working in feisty beta , but it stopped once i upgraded to the final release :(... Ididn't change anything in alsa , that what's so frustrating
[01:02] <pafnutiy> i used totem, aviplayer and MPlayer
[01:02] <jbasilio> BluesKaj: and you looked at alsamixer again?
[01:02] <jbasilio> pafnutiy: try kaffeine .. those players you mentioned aren't kde apps (i would have still expected they work though)
[01:02] <the_hammer> anyone know why with the beta version i get the nvidia splash screen but in the finnal i dont get that?
[01:03] <pafnutiy> thanks all
[01:03] <jbasilio> pafnutiy: how are you accessing the network?  smb:// or /network/share ?
[01:03] <BluesKaj> jbasilio: i've ben trying to get the IEC958 settings to work, but no luck
[01:03] <Arwen> the_hammer, do you really want an annoying splash screen?
[01:03] <the_hammer> just so i know that its working and install correctly yeah
[01:03] <jbasilio> BluesKaj: that sucks ... if you are using alsamixer that's what i used as well
[01:03] <BluesKaj> BTW the hardware conn is fine , i just checked in windows
[01:04] <noiesmo> the_hammer, open terminal type cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |grep nvidia should return nvidia also lsmod | grep nvidia should return a couple results then you should be running nvidia driver
[01:04] <levi_> back
[01:05] <BluesKaj> yup alsa 'was working" ...emphasis on "was"
[01:05] <the_hammer> root@duocore2:/# /etc/X11/xorg.conf |grep nvidia
[01:05] <the_hammer> bash: /etc/X11/xorg.conf: Permission denied
[01:05] <noiesmo> the_hammer, cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf |grep nvidia
[01:06] <weswh-> jbasilio: I am running a dpkg --configure -a now, so hopefully that will let me get back into the upgrade process...earlier like I said it errored on Samba. how can I check my system for all running processes, and kill anything that is going on that I don't need before I start over?
[01:06] <the_hammer> http://pastebin.ca/461948
[01:07] <Daisuke_Ido> welcome back, levi_
[01:07] <levi_> thaks
[01:07] <levi_> n
[01:07] <jbasilio> weswh-: shouldn't have to kill anything .. just dpkg stuff.  all other things will be handled just fine.  had the upgrade completed and that's why you are configuring?  b/c i would recommend apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:07] <levi_> but my drive still wont be writeable
[01:08] <BluesKaj> jbasilio: I have fine sound on my pc sound system, but I want to pipe the PCM audio to my HT Receiver in the TV room.
[01:08] <weswh-> no, I was at 57% of the configuration point (still stage 3 of the upgrade overall), and it popped up an error and this one failed, upgrade aborted. and then it just sat there, when i tried to exit it said exiting before this is done is not recommended, but there was no terminal readout, so I was just dead in the water
[01:09] <weswh-> after I killed those processes, ran apt-get dist-upgrade, and it said dpkg was canceled incorrectly or something. run the configure
[01:09] <Daisuke_Ido> hrmmm
[01:09] <weswh-> so I am trying to get back to the point where I can run the dist-upgrade again
[01:09] <jbasilio> BluesKaj: gotcha.  i had myth piped into my receiver in my living room as well.  i run windows media center now though due to xbox integration.  i suck  :)
[01:09] <jbasilio> weswh-: ahh.  ok.  good.  you are on the right track
[01:10] <weswh-> somehow I feel like I'll be starting from scratch a little later. heh
[01:10] <jbasilio> weswh-: you'll be ok.  dpkg is pretty damn solid.
[01:10] <weswh-> which is ok...the only reason i waited until now to upgrade was backing up data. cool.
[01:10] <luca> good day everyone
[01:10] <jbasilio> weswh-: i tihnk the only way you can really mess things up bad is by --forceing things
[01:10] <levi_> Hi
[01:10] <weswh-> this configure takes a while...any idea how long? as in, should I go eat some dinner. hehe
[01:10] <jbasilio> luca: 'allo
[01:10] <jbasilio> weswh-: yeah, the whole upgrade is kind of slow
[01:11] <luca> can someone help me in configuring standby for a Dell Inspiron 6400 with KDE?
[01:11] <BluesKaj> nothing wrong with using what works jbasilio... I'm not a windows hater as much as i feel more secure on linux :)
[01:11] <luca> hi jbasilio
[01:11] <luca> btw, standby works flawlessly with gnome!
[01:12] <jbasilio> BluesKaj: yeah.  mythtv rules in terms of features and openness .. you can do anything, play anything.  but it's not QUITE as polished
[01:12] <Daisuke_Ido> anyone better with diagnosing fstab problems than me?
[01:12] <jbasilio> BluesKaj: windows vista MCE is pretty great for the easy stuff ... but it's not nearly as open, restricive in codecs ... but it hits my 95% case and my wife is happy
[01:13] <jbasilio> Daisuke_Ido: maybe .. what's up?
[01:15] <Arwen> lol @ wife.... keep lying to yourself :-)
[01:15] <BluesKaj> gotta keep wifey happy ...she loves the fact i can do more tovid then nero when it comes to movies
[01:15] <Daisuke_Ido> jbasilio: trying to get one of levi_'s drives to be writable
[01:15] <froggie> hi
[01:15] <froggie> /.local/share/Trash/files$ sudo rm -d Blue
[01:15] <froggie> rm: cannot remove `Blue': Is a directory
[01:15] <BluesKaj> with tovid than nero
[01:16] <froggie> any idea why this actually isnt working?
[01:16] <Arwen> froggie, rm -rf
[01:16] <Arwen> rm -d rarely ever works
[01:16] <froggie> ohh :) thanx
[01:16] <BluesKaj> hey froggie , careful there :)
[01:16] <froggie> =)
[01:16] <jbasilio> Arwen: ??  used to have tivo .. MCE is much closer to tivo.  she uses linux as desktop b/c that's all i have.  :)
[01:16] <pete__> Can anyone help me get this thing run higher than 720x468 resolution @ PS3. Cant see half the config windows :/ any file i could mod to default to higher resolution ?
[01:16] <Arwen> jbasilio, again... "wife".... keep lying to yourself there :-)
[01:16] <Skyblast> Arwen's been throwing witless comments at people all day long. Don't mind him.
[01:17] <Arwen> pete__, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:17] <jbasilio> Arwen: ?? don't understand what you mean.  but if it makes you smile .. ok.  :)
[01:17] <pete__> ah, so its the same file as in YDL
[01:17] <jbasilio> levi_: what's the drive issue?
[01:17] <Arwen> jbasilio, ..
[01:19] <jbasilio> BluesKaj: not sure if you got that in the other channel .. registering
[01:19] <BluesKaj> i'm registerd
[01:20] <jbasilio> BluesKaj: so am i .. but i forget my password.  :) trying to figure it out
[01:20] <BluesKaj> NM , someone already made the comment iwas going to
[01:28] <Maxdamantus> How can I use the sound system for multiple things at the same time?
[01:29] <Arwen> Maxdamantus, have a sound mixer
[01:29] <Maxdamantus> I've selected to use ALSA, but it still does it.
[01:30] <Arwen> try arts or esd
[01:30] <Kr4t05> I just reinstalled Feisty, and my scrollwheel stopped working. What would I need to do with my xorg.conf to get it back?
[01:31] <Maxdamantus> esd seems to work.
[01:31] <jbasilio> Maxdamantus: what are you trying to do at the same time?
[01:32] <weswh-> jbasilio: still around? I ran the dist-upgrade again, seemed to go ok that time. ran it again to check, and it says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded...guess that means it's all in?
[01:32] <weswh-> now i should reboot to boot up with the new kernel, etc?
[01:32] <jbasilio> weswh-: you're all in!
[01:32] <Maxdamantus> Wasn't playing multiple sounds at the same time.
[01:32] <jbasilio> weswh-: it's the moment of truth .. if we don't see you back in 5 minutes .. well .. good luck.  :)
[01:33] <weswh-> is there some place i can do a "show version" kind of thing where it will say "Fesity Fawn 7.04"? hehe
[01:33] <TheDebugger> Yes
[01:33] <Arwen> Maxdamantus, that means your sound card doesn't have a hardware mixer and you need a software one like esd :-)
[01:33] <TheDebugger> lsb_release -a  (iirc)
[01:33] <Maxdamantus> Yea, it works with esd, thanks.
[01:33] <jbasilio> weswh-: or lsb_release -d
[01:34] <acemo> in wich folder does konqueror searches for plugins?
[01:34] <weswh-> awesome, all looks good
[01:34] <hsystem-x> weswh click in the k menu and click in help
[01:34] <hsystem-x> there you can see the version.
[01:35] <sdf_> what are the  codecs program for sounds and videos???
[01:35] <weswh-> jbasilio: come on, you don't think I'm smart enough to have a backup IRC lifeline during this reboot? ;)
[01:35] <jbasilio> weswh-: hehe.  smart man!
[01:36] <weswh-> 2.6.20-15...is that different from the edgey kernel?
[01:36] <hsystem-x> why dont you restart ?
[01:36] <hsystem-x> -_-!
[01:37] <jbasilio> weswh-: don't know.  probably though.
[01:38] <Daisuke_Ido> that's the feisty kernel
[01:38] <Daisuke_Ido> edgy is 2.6.17
[01:38] <hsystem-x> that's true.
[01:38] <hsystem-x> 17.11?
[01:39] <Daisuke_Ido> yep
[01:39] <hsystem-x> :)
[01:39] <weswh-> well it's back up and running. definitely new and shiny. music plays...internet works. what more can you ask for
[01:39] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't use edgy now, so i don't know what revision
[01:39] <weswh-> one weird thing when I booted though, it said dist-upgrade (or possibly dist-intall).py, and asked for my kdesu password, but then it said file could not be found...any ideas?
[01:40] <weswh-> maybe that was a holdover from when I tried the GUI upgrade tool
[01:40] <jbasilio> weswh-: when i did an upgrade to the beta, i have RAIDed hard drives .. including boot/root .. it was a disaster
[01:40] <hsystem-x> did you reboot your system wewh already?
[01:40] <weswh-> for some "completed!" box that never got finished
[01:40] <jbasilio> weswh-: had to manually install the RAID packages, chroot .. edit files ... it was horrible.  and this was like 3 weeks before release
[01:40] <hsystem-x> is better to install from 0, upgrades cause problems XD
[01:40] <weswh-> hsystem: yes, i seem to be fine
[01:40] <jbasilio> weswh-: so be happy it booted ... :)  that was the worst feeling.  "uhh .. honey ... remember how you wanted to use the computer?  it's dead"
[01:40] <jarn_> After upgrading to Feisty, I have two problems. First, X seems to be ignoring my config file and won't let me raise my refresh rate past 54, even though I can set it higher. Second, anything download through kget gets REALLY slow rates.
[01:40] <weswh-> so far ;)
[01:41] <weswh-> haha...right on.
[01:41] <weswh-> jbasilio: ouch. yeah this went pretty well...i actually just installed a RAID mirror today - but not as the system drive.
[01:41] <jbasilio> weswh-: RAID is awesome .. with feisty i think they finally support it well.  i've had this setup for years now but i had kind of hacked it in to boot (weren't supposed to be able to have root on RAID)
[01:42] <luca__> anyone who could helkp me with my dell inspiron?
[01:42] <jbasilio> luca__: what's up?
[01:42] <pete__> Any idea why i cant login as root with the same pass as i did my first user with kubuntu + PS3 ? .. seems i cant modify the resolution screen file with this "user" account i can login.
[01:42] <hsystem-x> gnome or kde? which you people think is better?
[01:42] <Daisuke_Ido> you're running kubuntu on a ps3?
[01:42] <hsystem-x> which one*
[01:42] <luca__> jbasilio: standby works flawlessly in gnome, but does not resume properly with kde
[01:43] <luca__> I did a standard ubuntu-kubuntu installation
[01:43] <Daisuke_Ido> hsystem-x: since this is #kubuntu, you're going to get an overwhelming kde majority :d
[01:43] <hsystem-x> jajaja
[01:43] <pete__> im running kubuntu @ PS3.. or hoping to get it working :)
[01:43] <jbasilio> luca__: ahh .. sorry.  can't help you there.  never did standby stuff.  didn't even know that was desktop specific .. that stinks
[01:43] <Kr4t05> Hahah!
[01:43] <luca__> jbasilio: should not be desktop specific :( that's why I am puzzled
[01:43] <jbasilio> hsystem-x: different strokes for different folks.  which is better .. chocolate or vanilla?
[01:43] <weswh-> jbasilio: do you have a 3ware card?
[01:44] <jbasilio> luca__: maybe look at power management settings in kcontrol .. perhaps something is interfering
[01:44] <pete__> Any PS3 user that could get root login someway ?
[01:44] <jbasilio> weswh-: no .. software RAID if that's what you mean
[01:44] <hsystem-x> is the same to say which is better white people or black people, is the same ?
[01:44] <weswh-> jbasilio: yeah that's what I meant
[01:44] <luca__> jbasilio: ok thanks
[01:44] <acemo> in wich folder does konqueror searches for plugins? for example: flash player plugin
[01:44] <weswh-> I was wondering if you had a 3ware card specifically, I know there is an open source management app for it. gotta find that
[01:44] <jbasilio> hsystem-x: uhh .. yeah i suppose it is the same.  or yellow .. or red.
[01:45] <hsystem-x> XD ... right.
[01:45] <hsystem-x> but if you compare this channel have 376 nicks ... right...
[01:45] <BluesKaj> acemo , in the adressbar type 'about:plugins'
[01:45] <levi_> any idea anyone where I would get some magical way of getting my linksys wireless USB adapter working?
[01:45] <sdf_> i have theme with tar.gz extension how can i install it???
[01:45] <hsystem-x> ubuntu have 1158 XD. i believe that should answer my question XD.
[01:45] <acemo> BluesKaj: thanks for making me feel stupid again :P
[01:46] <pete__> Anyone know how i can login to root in kubuntu @ PS3 "alternate" cd... seems to work nicely but as i cant login as root i cant change the resolution and i cant see half the config windows :/
[01:46] <BluesKaj> don't feel stupid ...no one is stupid ,,,we all need help sooner or later
[01:46] <levi_> mhmm
[01:47] <LettuceJoans> Hello
[01:47] <levi_> hi
[01:47] <acemo> BluesKaj: but i have used about:plugins like million times in opera, so i should have knewn it
[01:47] <jarn_> !pastebin
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[01:47] <acemo> BluesKaj: konqueror only shows the plugin name tho.. ill have to locate the folders myself then ^_^
[01:47] <BluesKaj> we forget some things
[01:47] <hsystem-x> well i hear about fedora core running on ps3, but dont know kubuntu lol.
[01:47] <LettuceJoans> I need to reformat a partition to ect3 what program should I use?
[01:48] <BluesKaj> acemo:  search for it in the konq searchbar
[01:48] <levi_> Any way of getting ANY video to play under Kubuntu 6.06
[01:48] <hsystem-x> dont know, try control + alt + f4, and login .
[01:48] <acemo> BluesKaj: locate -pluginname- ^^
[01:48] <pete__> PLS, any idea ... i can mod the files with my current "user" but if i hit "admin button" it just goes blank. :/
[01:49] <pete__> and i cant save the needed files on this user account :/
[01:49] <levi_> Why not?
[01:49] <BluesKaj> yup acemo, that prolly works
[01:49] <levi_> Save them then cp them :/ *shrug*
[01:49] <xtavaresx> levi_ vlc
[01:49] <jbasilio> signing off.  'night everyone
[01:49] <hsystem-x> pete, control + alt + f4, try to do login in shell.
[01:49] <levi_> Figureing he'she is somewhere not at home.
[01:49] <levi_> night
[01:50] <luca__> night
[01:50] <acemo> BluesKaj: great.. 2 folders with the file :S ohh well.. ill just re-install my moms comp tmr -evil grin-
[01:50] <pete__> levi_: .. well normal user dont have proper write+read in those directories.. thats the problem
[01:50] <levi_> Sure you do
[01:50] <levi_> Sudo cp
[01:50] <hsystem-x> try with sudo commands
[01:50] <levi_> wow I bloody knew something
[01:50] <levi_> xD
[01:51] <pete__> well i could change those with other linux distros np.. ok ill try that
[01:51] <levi_> though I forget what order the syntax is cp desired-directory from-directory
[01:51] <levi_> or frm-directory to desired-directory
[01:51] <levi_> *from
[01:53] <hsystem-x> cp from to
[01:53] <hsystem-x> right.
[01:53] <levi_> thanks
[01:53] <levi_> it slipped my mind
[01:54] <levi_> xD
[01:54] <levi_> whats a bit annoying is that theres no confirmation that the operation was successful
[01:54] <hsystem-x> well if there's no message, = succesful
[01:54] <levi_> I thought that for some reason that nothing registered the first tme I had to use it
[01:54] <hsystem-x> if there was a message = not succesfull lol
[01:54] <levi_> I know that now
[01:55] <levi_> xD
[01:55] <levi_> but at first i re-copied the file about ten times before noticing that it was already there
[01:55] <hsystem-x> lol
[01:55] <hsystem-x> yeah that's maybe bad programming, dependes on which side you look at.
[01:56] <hsystem-x> depends*
[01:56] <levi_> at least it overwrites the old one
[01:56] <pete__> crap. seems i cant do anything with this "user" account.. but i never got to setup a ROOT account either so who the fuck knows the password
[01:56] <Kapricorn> hi all
[01:57] <hsystem-x> it is supposed to be the same pass, that you put in the setup.
[01:57] <Arwen> pete__, don't troll.... your first user is a "sudoer" which means it can run things as root
[01:57] <Kapricorn> I just installed Kunbunto...it detected my USB wireless adapter fine BUT
[01:57] <hsystem-x> you have to do things with sudo command
[01:57] <hsystem-x> but you can log in as root by doing
[01:57] <hsystem-x> sudo passwd
[01:57] <levi_> HOW?!
[01:57] <levi_> ...
[01:57] <levi_> minus caps
[01:57] <hsystem-x> it will ask you for a new password for unix system.
[01:58] <levi_> how was your wireless USB detected?
[01:58] <levi_> thats been bugging me all day xD
[01:58] <Kapricorn> The network Im trying to connect to is in 64bit and knetworkmanager doesn't let me enter the passcode..
[01:58] <hsystem-x> sudo passwd  <- will ask you for your password, then for the password you want to assing to root.
[01:58] <pete__> Arwen, sorry.. i installed this thing on PS3 and first it asked was a user account and now it says i dont have the rights :/
[01:58] <Kapricorn> I plugged t in an it detected it...
[01:58] <levi_> what is it?
[01:58] <Kapricorn> had the driver already installed too!
[01:58] <levi_> What brand?
[01:58] <Kapricorn> I was impressed
[01:59] <Kapricorn> linksys usb54gc
[01:59] <levi_> I speedbooster?
[01:59] <Kapricorn> yep
[01:59] <levi_> thats the exact one I have
[01:59] <levi_> and nothing happens.
[01:59] <Arwen> pete__, for any command that requires root, just type "sudo" before it and enter your user password
[01:59] <levi_> when I insert it
[01:59] <Kapricorn> hmmm
[01:59] <levi_> Worked fine in windows at school
[02:00] <hsystem-x> or if he just wants to login as root, sudo passwd , enter the password for the unix system.
[02:00] <Kapricorn> which version of Kub you using?
[02:00] <hsystem-x> then do su, and put the new password.
[02:00] <levi_> 6.06
[02:00] <hsystem-x> that's the reason
[02:00] <hsystem-x> lvi
[02:00] <hsystem-x> try edgy or feisty
[02:00] <pete__> hmm.. okie, that might help ... any idea what that normal editor command is in kubuntu ? :)
[02:00] <levi_> xD
[02:01] <hsystem-x> use vi
[02:01] <levi_> I cant until my CD comes
[02:01] <Arwen> pete__, "kate"
[02:01] <hsystem-x> pete : use vi
[02:01] <Kapricorn> try 7.04
[02:01] <Arwen> or "vim" or "nano"
[02:01] <levi_> excatly
[02:01] <hsystem-x> vi is better :)
[02:01] <levi_> I cant until my CD comes
[02:01] <levi_> I ordered it
[02:01] <Kapricorn> awesome
[02:01] <hsystem-x> but you need to know the commands :)
[02:01] <levi_> Fun
[02:01] <pete__> so "sudo vi thefileiwannaedit"
[02:01] <levi_> Learning
[02:01] <Kapricorn> my question:  is ther a diff networkmanager I can use?
[02:01] <xtavaresx> i just installed feisty but my sound is really quiet, any ideas?
[02:02] <levi_> thats what help center is for
[02:02] <levi_> go to Kmix
[02:02] <levi_> and turn up PCM
[02:02] <Kapricorn> knetworkmanager?
[02:02] <solemnwarning> Why is the normal *buntu cd the livecd+gui one?
[02:02] <solemnwarning> It's too unreliable and slow IMO
[02:02] <hsystem-x> yeah, but becarefull. look at this pete: http://www.cs.colostate.edu/helpdocs/vi.html
[02:03] <levi_> wait so 6 doesnt suport Wifi USB?
[02:03] <pete__> hmm.. just need to know whats delete in that infernal text editor..  :)
[02:03] <solemnwarning> I tried out the livecd for 7.04 on my laptop, partitioning failed because the kernel was already using the disk so /dev didn't get updated
[02:03] <Kapricorn> might...but you'll have to use ndiswrapper and the windows driver
[02:03] <levi_> *checks his order
[02:03] <solemnwarning> The alternate disk is better
[02:03] <levi_> I have the windows driver
[02:03] <LettuceJoans>  I need to reformat a partition to ect3 what program should I use?
[02:03] <levi_> but ndiswrapper
[02:04] <levi_> sudo apt-get ndiswrapper?
[02:04] <hsystem-x> install ndiswrapper from it source...
[02:04] <Kapricorn> yep
[02:04] <levi_> I guessed
[02:04] <hsystem-x> binaries are old...
[02:04] <levi_> which is where?
[02:05] <levi_> by the way that didnt work anyway
[02:05] <hsystem-x> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/
[02:05] <levi_> ok
[02:05] <levi_> will do
[02:05] <hsystem-x> need to compile :).
[02:05] <hsystem-x> read the installation instructions.
[02:05] <Kapricorn> anyone know of a better network manager than knetworkmanager..or and alternate?
[02:05] <levi_> Oh boy im basically clueless as to what im doing now xD
[02:06] <hsystem-x> well just read the instructions... they are easy.
[02:08] <hsystem-x> why kubuntu does not come with g++ already installed? it is essential..
[02:08] <pete__> whats that delete in that normal console editor.. and quit&save.. cant remember
[02:08] <levi_> !pastebin
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[02:08] <solemnwarning> hsystem-x: It's aimed at users, how many users know what a C++ compiler is?
[02:09] <solemnwarning> And the base system has to fit on a cd, g++ and the stdc++ headers take space
[02:09] <hsystem-x> well, how many users know how to use linux? is the same... probably an 90% of linux users , use compilers. And what about thoose tar,gz package?
[02:09] <hsystem-x> they need to be compiled...
[02:10] <solemnwarning> hsystem-x: Most programs are C anyway
[02:10] <hsystem-x> well linux is c/c++ and perl
[02:10] <levi_> Blargh
[02:10] <solemnwarning> The cd is ~700MB, isn't it?
[02:10] <Maxdamantus> 694mb
[02:10] <levi_> right off the bat a problem  --> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18043/
[02:10] <solemnwarning> g++ and the stdc++ headers wouldan't even fit on it
[02:11] <hsystem-x> well, you can eliminate some unnecessary packages...
[02:11] <hsystem-x> they*
[02:11] <solemnwarning> C++ == horribly bloated language
[02:11] <solemnwarning> Like...?
[02:11] <hsystem-x> c++ is the best language, is the most powerfull language...
[02:11] <levi_> Wait..
[02:11] <levi_> Whoops
[02:11] <Maxdamantus> It is.
[02:11] <solemnwarning> hsystem-x: How?
[02:11] <Sanne> hsystem-x: no use to argue, it's a design decision of the makers of the distro. It's not aimed at developers per se, although if you want to compile something, you can easily install build-essential to get most of what you need.
[02:11] <Maxdamantus> C++ is widely used.
[02:11] <hsystem-x> good for teaching and for estructural programming.
[02:11] <pete__> levii, help a bit.. that editor .. its been like 10 years since i had to use one like that in unix. :/ so how to delete next char & quit & save ? :)
[02:11] <solemnwarning> It's a programming language, it does whatever you code it to do
[02:11] <Maxdamantus> I was amazed when I found out that it didn't have the compiler by default.
[02:11] <solemnwarning> No it isn't
[02:11] <solemnwarning> C++ is a horrible language, full of crap
[02:12] <TheDebugger> ...
[02:12] <hsystem-x> well, it seems you're not a programmer :S.
[02:12] <hsystem-x> c++ can do anything.
[02:12] <levi_> thats better -->
[02:12] <levi_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18044/
[02:12] <solemnwarning> C can do anything
[02:12] <hsystem-x> c++ use objects :)
[02:12] <solemnwarning> But it's not a bloated language
[02:12] <hsystem-x> it is better
[02:12] <solemnwarning> Objects, whoop-de-fucking do
[02:12] <TheDebugger> C++ is not bloated at all
[02:12] <hsystem-x> cand do object oriented programming :)
[02:12] <xoss> can make coffee too?
[02:12] <hsystem-x> can*
[02:12] <solemnwarning> Any language can do objects really, C++ makes it easier
[02:13] <hsystem-x> c++ is better. :), well everybody that is a programmer, know how to program in c++.
[02:13] <hsystem-x> c is old :)
[02:13] <hsystem-x> more old.
[02:14] <hsystem-x> cobol is better lol.
[02:14] <solemnwarning> Old...
[02:14] <pete__> hsystem, can i trouble you with 2 simple questions as i cant get help in the help files :/
[02:14] <solemnwarning> And what is everyones fixation of using the newest thing created?
[02:15] <hsystem-x> well, they have more capacity to do things, at least from c to c++
[02:15] <levi_> Take Vista for example as my head gets chewed off
[02:15] <solemnwarning> C++ has too many safties for stupid people that just get in the way
[02:15] <levi_> it sucks
[02:15] <levi_> but people  like it allot
[02:15] <solemnwarning> ffs...
[02:15] <Sanne> please people...
[02:15] <Arwen> Windows bashing only makes the F/OSS community look like mindless zealots...
[02:15] <Arwen> so please stfu
[02:15] <Sanne> !offtopic
[02:15] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:15] <solemnwarning> You can do anything in any language (almost)
[02:15] <hsystem-x> well, you can do the same with kubuntu.
[02:16] <sdf_> can i install gnome and kde desktop in the same time??
[02:16] <hsystem-x> people like it, the it sucks?
[02:16] <hsystem-x> then*
[02:16] <levi_> *sigh its an example.
[02:16] <TheDebugger> Arwen: You are right
[02:16] <pete__> hsystem, just need to know this odd text editor.. what does delete next char.. and quit&save.. i cant get any help pages to show due to my low rez :/
[02:16] <levi_> not always using the newest thing is a good thing
[02:16] <solemnwarning> C++ is just annoying
[02:17] <sdf_> help
[02:17] <solemnwarning> For example, making it impossible to mix pointers
[02:17] <pete__> i have in my /etc/X11 config file the proper resolutions but the system boots to the worst possible :/
[02:17] <TheDebugger> Not at all, you can do anything is c++ that c can do
[02:17] <TheDebugger> *in
[02:17] <solemnwarning> It's a memory address, they are all the same thing!
[02:17] <hsystem-x> are you a registered user petE?
[02:17] <solemnwarning> char* is the same as int* is the same as void*
[02:17] <hsystem-x> pointers are essential :)
[02:17] <solemnwarning> hsystem-x: yeah
[02:17] <sdf_> can i install gnome and kde desktop in the same time??
[02:18] <hsystem-x> yeah sdf
[02:18] <solemnwarning> So why does C++ prevent pointers from being mixed?
[02:18] <hsystem-x> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[02:18] <hsystem-x> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:18] <hsystem-x> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[02:18] <hsystem-x> what do you mean with mixed?
[02:19] <solemnwarning> sudo aptitude install yetanotherbloodybuntu-desktop
[02:19] <solemnwarning> hsystem-x: C++ won't let you mix any type of pointer
[02:19] <Sanne> solemnwarning, hsystem-x, could you please move your discussion to #kubuntu-offtopic?
[02:19] <pete__> hsystem, nope havent registered yet, just today tried to install this to my PS3.. and it seems to work very well, but... need to up the resolution .. cant see the config windows etc so its kinda hard :/
[02:19] <solemnwarning> E.g, you can't pass char* to a function that expects void*
[02:19] <solemnwarning> Or vice-versa
[02:19] <hsystem-x> well that obvious, that's an error
[02:19] <Sanne> sdf_: yes you can, and choose whoch one you want to use at login.
[02:19] <solemnwarning> Not always
[02:20] <hsystem-x> bad logic.
[02:20] <TheDebugger> Yeah, bad logic
[02:20] <solemnwarning> malloc() and free() for example
[02:20] <solemnwarning> Or any kind of wrapper function around the memory manager
[02:20] <TheDebugger> Juste cast if you want to do something stupid
[02:20] <hsystem-x> lol
[02:20] <TheDebugger> Anyway, you should use new in c++
[02:21] <hsystem-x> right
[02:21] <hsystem-x> casting.
[02:21] <solemnwarning> TheDebugger: And put a catch block around every single new/free
[02:21] <TheDebugger> solemnwarning: You don't need
[02:22] <TheDebugger> You can do it that way, or use the nothrow new if you like to check if your pointer is NULL after
[02:22] <BluesKaj> pete__:  this is stating the obvious but have you tried system settings/monitor & display/admin mode/hardware/config graphics/ config monitor/ apply/ set resolution /apply
[02:22] <pete__> xhsystem.. i know what you ment with that /etc/X11/...config change, i checked and it had the proper resolutions... but i cant even do the freaking run to edit the files so i dont have to write that "verylongiwannagetthisthingstarted"..
[02:22] <solemnwarning> TheDebugger: You still need to handle error checking for every single new
[02:22] <pete__> blues, yeah... when i go there..
[02:22] <solemnwarning> It's quicker and cleaner to have an error-checking malloc() wrapper
[02:22] <hsystem-x> new(nothrow)  <- NULL if fail.
[02:22] <TheDebugger> solemnwarning: You must check for errors for every malloc too
[02:22] <pete__> and press that admin whatever.. the whoe window goes blank.
[02:23] <sdf_> xine don tplay any mp3 file why?
[02:23] <sdf_> also kmplayer don t play it
[02:23] <TheDebugger> solemnwarning: It's cleaner to wrap the memory management in a class using RAII
[02:23] <solemnwarning> void* allocate(size_t size) { void* ptr = malloc(size); if(ptr == NULL) { /* Handle the error */ } return(ptr); }
[02:23] <Daisuke_Ido> sdf_: have you installed the codec for handling mp3s?
[02:23] <chemicalvamp> sdf_ open it with amarok and it will ask to install the codec automaticly
[02:24] <sdf_> how can i install the codec?
[02:24] <BluesKaj> pete__:  sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg :)
[02:24] <Sanne> !mp3 | sdf_
[02:24] <ubotu> sdf_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[02:24] <pete__> i would have a idea to change some config files but with this install i NEVER was asked for root pass and now i cant login as root :/ and my main login says "not enough access"
[02:24] <Daisuke_Ido> well yeah, that's how ubuntu works
[02:24] <Daisuke_Ido> !sudo | pete__
[02:24] <ubotu> pete__: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:24] <Arwen> FreeFormats work... in theory...
[02:24] <hsystem-x> pete if you are running with interface then, try kwrite o kate (as someone told you), it will be easier. If you are in console and cant see the interface or GUI, use VI is better,but it is maybe complicated
[02:25] <chemicalvamp> pete__ run "sudo passwd"
[02:25] <hsystem-x> that's what i told him.
[02:25] <hsystem-x> to assing a unix system password.
[02:25] <Arwen> anyone - is Theora anywhere near usable for Video?
[02:25] <Daisuke_Ido> Arwen: sure, as long as you don't want to actually do anything useful with commercial equipment (without voiding your warranty)
[02:25] <Daisuke_Ido> that was about free formats in general, not theora
[02:26] <Arwen> Daisuke_Ido, usage as in not looking like MPEG-1....
[02:26] <Arwen> because last I tried Theora....
[02:26] <Daisuke_Ido> i have no clue, i've never used theora
[02:26] <Arwen> hehe
[02:26] <hsystem-x> sudo kwrite /etc/example.txt  sudo kate /etc/example.txt sudo vi /etc/example.txt
[02:26] <hsystem-x> pete.
[02:26] <chemicalvamp> does linux have an avi player?
[02:26] <Daisuke_Ido> BAD hsystem-x
[02:26] <hsystem-x> just need the codecs lol
[02:26] <Arwen> chemicalvamp, an AVI player? AVI is a container, any media player can demux AVI
[02:26] <BluesKaj> kaffeine
[02:26] <LettuceJoans>  I need to reformat a partition to ect3 what program should I use?
[02:27] <Daisuke_Ido> never use sudo with a gui app
[02:27] <Daisuke_Ido> kdesu
[02:27] <chemicalvamp> divx
[02:27] <Jucato> !kdesu | hsystem-x
[02:27] <ubotu> hsystem-x: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[02:27] <Arwen> Daisuke_Ido, why? sudo xguiapp works most of the time
[02:27] <chemicalvamp> !works for me
[02:27] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[02:27] <hsystem-x> well you cand do sudo is the same, or you can use gksudo (already installed in kubuntu)
[02:27] <Jucato> Arwen: read above ^^^^
[02:27] <Jucato> hsystem-x: gksudo is not installed on Kubuntu. kdesu is
[02:27] <hsystem-x> gksudo is installed.
[02:27] <hsystem-x> on feisty.
[02:28] <Jucato> no it isn't
[02:28] <Arwen> Jucato, yes yes... but I want to know why it isn't a good idea?
[02:28] <hsystem-x> yeah it is
[02:28] <hsystem-x> i have it.
[02:28] <chemicalvamp> gksudo is ubuntu
[02:28] <chemicalvamp> gnome
[02:28] <Arwen> hsystem-x, on GNOME maybe..
[02:28] <hsystem-x> well, i know that
[02:28] <Jucato> hsystem-x: did you install Kubuntu over Ubuntu?
[02:28] <hsystem-x> no
[02:28] <Daisuke_Ido> hsystem-x: did you install ubuntu then kubuntu-desktop?
[02:28] <hsystem-x> kubuntu feisty fresh install
[02:28] <hsystem-x> it have it.
[02:28] <Jucato> O.o
[02:28] <Daisuke_Ido> no, it doesn't
[02:28] <chemicalvamp> then youre weird
[02:28] <hsystem-x> yes it have
[02:28] <hsystem-x> well i can do gksudo.
[02:28] <Arwen> chemicalvamp, by DivX, I assume you mean MPEG-4 ASP... in which case you just need the appropriate ffmpeg codec
[02:28] <Jucato> !sudo | Arwen
[02:28] <ubotu> Arwen: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:29] <compilerwriter> jucato maybe you can solve this resolution thing for me.
[02:29] <Daisuke_Ido> fresh install of feisty, kdesu only
[02:29] <Jucato> Arwen: that page explains your question
[02:29] <Jucato> compilerwriter: hm?
[02:29] <compilerwriter> Is there a way in one of the x-org files to set up the resolution you want to serve?
[02:29] <hsystem-x> well fresh install (with updates)
[02:29] <chemicalvamp> compilerwriter i know if you reconfigure xorg you can select them
[02:29] <Arwen> Jucato, I don't see where it mentions gksu/kdesu vs sudo
[02:30] <Jucato> compilerwriter: you mean like /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[02:30] <compilerwriter> That was the general idea Jucato yes.
[02:30] <Jucato> Arwen: "NEVER use sudo to start graphical programs. You should always use gksudo or kdesu to run such programs, otherwise new login attempts may fail. If this happens and at login an error message reports: "Unable to read ICE authority file", log in using the failsafe terminal and execute the command below substituting your username for user.
[02:30] <compilerwriter> jucato chemicalvamp how would one go about doing such a thing.
[02:30] <Arwen> Jucato, exactly where does it say that?
[02:31] <hsystem-x> sudo sometimes work. depends on the app.
[02:31] <Jucato> Arwen: uner Notes
[02:31] <compilerwriter> Arwen I can
[02:31] <Arwen> Jucato, ok
[02:31] <Arwen> Jucato, it still doesn't explain how that happens...
[02:31] <Jucato> hsystem-x: GUI apps, you use kdesu. for CLI, you use sudo
[02:31] <compilerwriter> 't tell you chapter and verse, but I have read that somewhere before.
[02:31] <chemicalvamp>  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:31] <hsystem-x> i already know tha...
[02:32] <hsystem-x> and what about thoose bad device errors that kubuntu have.
[02:32] <Arwen> harmless... I think...
[02:33] <Jucato> Arwen: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo
[02:33] <Jucato> hsystem-x: they have nothing to do with kdesu or sudo
[02:33] <hsystem-x> ehmm??
[02:33] <Jucato> it's with xorg.conf
[02:33] <hsystem-x> jucato...
[02:33] <Jucato> the BadDevice errors are a result of wacom entries in xorg.conf
[02:33] <hsystem-x> what are you talking about, lol im talking about another thing.
 and what about thoose bad device errors that kubuntu have.
[02:34] <hsystem-x> xactly , and you come with hsystem-x: they have nothing to do with kdesu or sudo
[02:34] <hsystem-x> im not asking about that...
[02:34] <Jucato> ok sorry. thought it was related to the ongoing discussion
[02:35] <Jucato> (sudden change in topic?)
[02:35] <TheDebugger> Little question, what does a "c" mean when you do an aptitude search?
[02:35] <hsystem-x> well, is there a way to work that? thoose bad device errors...
[02:35] <TheDebugger> i == installed, p == package i guess but "c"?
[02:35] <chemicalvamp> cache
[02:35] <Arwen> Jucato, thank you
[02:35] <hsystem-x> xorg-reconfigure does not work.
[02:35] <hsystem-x> does not resolve that errors.
[02:35] <Arwen> Jucato, say, that page mentions using gksu/kdesu as a hotkey - any details on that?
[02:36] <chemicalvamp> "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" doesnt work?
[02:36] <Jucato> TheDebugger: c means uninstalled but with config files still lying around
[02:36] <hsystem-x> to resolve that errors... no
[02:36] <Jucato> hsystem-x: you can remove the wacom entries in xorg.conf
[02:36] <Jucato> !baddevice
[02:36] <ubotu> If you are receiving an error similar to this: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168 then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[02:36] <hsystem-x> yup, thoose.
[02:37] <Jucato> btw, those errors are harmless (although a bit annoying).
[02:38] <hsystem-x> exatly - anoying.
[02:38] <hsystem-x> annoying*
[02:38] <Arwen> Jucato, so to fix it, you disable tablet input?
[02:38] <Jucato> Arwen: yep
[02:38] <Jucato> unless you're on a Tablet PC of course
[02:39] <Arwen> Jucato, time to restart X :-)
[02:39] <Arwen> see if that worked
[02:40] <compilerwriter> chemicalvamp now that I have done all that I need to restart x don't I.
[02:41] <chemicalvamp> yup
[02:41] <snap> asholes are still assd holes despite you fuggers  I MADE IT,,,,,,
[02:41] <compilerwriter> chemicalvamp would you be so kind as to refresh my memory on that particular command?
[02:41] <Jucato> !language | snap
[02:41] <ubotu> snap: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[02:41] <snap> NOW TI KILL YHE ASSHOLES
[02:41] <Jucato> snap: stop that
[02:42] <snap> lmao
[02:42] <snap> lmao
[02:43] <LettuceJoans>  I need to reformat a partition to ect3 what program should I use?
[02:43] <Arwen> lol, I forget 3 lines and broke my xorg.conf :-(
[02:43] <Arwen> but then I fixed it :-)
[02:43] <Jucato> LettuceJoans: QtParted or GParted?
[02:44] <Jucato> (or fdisk if you're a command line buff)
[02:44] <LettuceJoans> what does that mean?
[02:44] <Jucato> LettuceJoans: the programs you were asking about
[02:44] <Jucato> !qtparted
[02:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about qtparted - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:44] <compilerwriter> how do I restart x?
[02:44] <Jucato> !info qtparted
[02:44] <ubotu> qtparted: A parted frontend using QT. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.5-2ubuntu12 (feisty), package size 206 kB, installed size 720 kB
[02:44] <LettuceJoans> I want to know what program to use
[02:44] <TheDebugger> !info mkfs
[02:44] <ubotu> Package mkfs does not exist in feisty
[02:44] <LeeJunFan> anyone know of a good nagios config tool that actually works? I've got a bunch of hosts to setup and it's going to be very tedious to do with vi.
[02:44] <Jucato> compilerwriter: Ctrl+Alt+Backspace (after closing whatever you need to close)
[02:45] <compilerwriter> Jucato good grief I thought that just killed the current session.  I didn't know it restarted the whole mess.
[02:45] <Jucato> compilerwriter: hm?
[02:45] <LettuceJoans> what's QtParted and GParted?
[02:46] <compilerwriter> I didn't realize it also restarted the server.
[02:46] <Jucato> LettuceJoans: programs for partitioning and formating
[02:46] <Jucato> compilerwriter: er... it restarts X
[02:46] <LettuceJoans> ok, which one can format a partion as ect3?
[02:46] <Jucato> both can
[02:46] <LettuceJoans> sweet, thanks
[02:47] <Skyblast> Anyone know a way to make any of the Linux par2 tools to join ,001, .002, etc. file into the original file similar to how Quickpar for Windows does?
[02:47] <LettuceJoans> is one better than the other or does it matter
[02:47] <Arwen> Skyblast, are they compressed? or just split?
[02:48] <Arwen> because if they're just split, you could probably glue em back together
[02:48] <Skyblast> Just split
[02:48] <jhutchins> Skyblast: Unrar will handle those fine.
[02:48] <Arwen> Skyblast, the hard way would be to dd them together... the easy way is to install p7zip-full and run "7z x <splitfilefirstpartname>"
[02:49] <Arwen> jhutchins, cmon, we can deal with this without proprietary software
[02:49] <jhutchins> unrar is free.
[02:49] <Arwen> but proprietary all the same
[02:49] <jhutchins> unrar e <first file name>
[02:50] <jhutchins> Arwen: unrar is open source, just not GNU.
[02:51] <Jucato> Arwen: unfortunately, unrar-free doesn't handle as much formats or versions of RAR as the unrar (nonfree) version
[02:51] <Arwen> Jucato, jhutchins, none of us said anything about RAR...
[02:51] <Arwen> that's why I recommended 7-zipo
[02:51] <chemicalvamp> compilerwriter        ? i was afk
[02:52] <jhutchins> Arwen: .par files are often split rar archives.
[02:52] <jhutchins> Arwen: Especially those downloaded from usenet.
[02:52] <compilerwriter> chemicalvamp no worries Jucato stepped in for you.
[02:52] <Arwen> jhutchins, hmm
[02:52] <jhutchins> Arwen: They sometimes use a mixed naming scheme as well.
[02:53] <Skyblast> Cool, the 7zip handles things nicely. Thanks!
[02:53] <snap> UGGGGGGHHHHH I HAVE 5 OUT OF 6 MACHINES RUNINGG FIESTY FINE......BUT MY BRAND NEW LAPTOP DONT LIKE IT  AT ALL........DRIVING ME NUTZ
[02:53] <jhutchins> Or they could be 7zip things...
[02:53] <Jucato> !caps | snap
[02:53] <ubotu> snap: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[02:53] <Arwen> !caps
[02:54] <Arwen> jhutchins, :-)
[02:54] <chemicalvamp> snap same
[02:54] <snap> OH BUT IM FRUSTRATED
[02:54] <Arwen> but yeah, 7-zip should be able to decode rar, it's linked to unrar
[02:54] <sayers> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia how does this apply to kubuntu's 7.04?
[02:55] <Jucato> sayers: still applies. unless you have a very new card, then you can use nvidia-glx-new instead of nvidia-glx (depends on your card, better check first)
[02:55] <jhutchins> sayers: Pretty much the same, just bump version numbers where appropriate.
[02:55] <snap> GRRRRRRRR LINUX so frusATING I THINK SUSE will do the trick
[02:55] <snap> unbuntu does not have a helpful userbase
[02:55] <bobstro> snap: what's not working?
[02:56] <Jucato> snap: if you won't ask a question no one will help you. whining and shouting will not get you any help
[02:57] <snap> jucato been asking questiond for the past 6 weeks
[02:57] <snap> had manny learning experiences
[02:58] <Jucato> snap: 1) not everyone here might have been there the past 6 weeks. 2) not everyone here might actually know the answer to your problem.
[02:58] <Jucato> !patience
[02:58] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[02:58] <snap> most from assholes that have the same hardware working
[02:59] <snap> but wont tell the rest of us how it works
[02:59] <Tm_T> !ohmy | snap
[02:59] <ubotu> snap: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[02:59] <bobstro> snap: you may be better off with suse. good luck.
[02:59] <sepeck> I like that patience saying.  we have a similar one in drupal land
[02:59] <Skyblast> Try Slackware. I heard that's pretty easy. :)
[02:59] <bobstro> speaker_: you're a drupal guy?
[02:59] <bobstro> heh sorry
[03:00] <sepeck> :D
[03:00] <sepeck> and yes
[03:00] <bobstro> sepeck: you're a drupal *individual*?
[03:00] <sepeck> that too
[03:00] <snap> well no body in this place ver helpful
[03:00] <bobstro> sepeck: good, i'll be lurking on #drupal soon enough. some silly stuff has me stumped.
[03:00] <Skyblast> snap: Just did a search on your name in my logs for here.   Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:04] <bobstro> hell isn't on topic?
[03:04] <Jucato> neither is heaven :)
[03:05] <Tm_T> my kicking boot is always on topic ] ;=
[03:06] <bobstro> i'm installing ubuntu on an external usb drive. what are the odds it'll boot well on a variety of hardware  (with the likely exception of the x drivers)?
[03:06] <sepeck> heh....  so can someone link me to an article on getting Apache on my kubuntu box?
[03:06] <sepeck> then I can go read and learn
[03:06] <Tm_T> !apache | sepeck
[03:06] <ubotu> sepeck: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[03:07] <Skyblast> sepeck: Might also go check out the Linux Reality podcast. Chess just did some episodes on Apache and the like. http://www.linuxreality.com
[03:07] <bobstro> sepeck: there's also a package for drupal 5.1 if that's what you're working up to. not sure how reliable it is.
[03:07] <sepeck> hmmmm..... was using the 7 series.  don't remember server option...
[03:07] <sepeck> bobstro, I am against packaes for Drupal, so manual install :D
[03:08] <bobstro> sepeck: i figured as much, but thought i'd mention it.
[03:08] <sepeck> :D
[03:08] <bobstro> sepeck: i suspect you've got some experience with that.
[03:09] <sepeck> the objective is to re-acquaint myself with Linux and such
[03:09] <GuHHH> envy is only for ubuntu?
[03:10] <sonoftheclayr> GuHHH: envy works in kubuntu but from my experience i could only get it working at command line
[03:11] <GuHHH> i mean, does it work with other distros?
[03:11] <sonoftheclayr> not as far as i know, i would think it doesn't
[03:11] <bobstro> sepeck: how long have you been away?
[03:14] <sepeck> 4 years... /me joins #kubuntu-offtopic
[03:16] <chemicalvamp> how do you do the * sepeck doesn't want
[03:17] <sepeck> > /me
[03:17] <chemicalvamp> oh
[03:17] <chemicalvamp> ive done that on gaim, but i dint know it worked here
[03:18] <Maxdamantus> chemicalvamp, it's not a server side thing.
[03:19] <Maxdamantus> It's the client.
[03:19] <Maxdamantus> When you do it, you're actually sending something like "PRIVMSG #kubuntu [] ACTION does something[] "
[03:19] <Maxdamantus> Where []  is ASCII01
[03:20] <chemicalvamp> huhhh?
[03:21] <Maxdamantus> Don't worry.
[03:21] <Maxdamantus> Just think of it as /me for now.
[03:21] <sepeck> heh
[03:21] <Maxdamantus> But if you were listening to it through a raw socket, you'd see what I just said.
[03:21] <Maxdamantus> And the client displays it as an action. :P
[03:22] <chemicalvamp> man im sick of being asked "a new update is available, would you like to upgrade to feisty?"
[03:24] <imagine> aha say yes :)
[03:27] <jarn_> I think there's something wrong with my machine. Games don't run well, even Linux games. I have an AMD Athlon 64 3200+, 1GB of ram and an nVidia Geforce 6800.
[03:27] <chemicalvamp> imagine i dont want feisty, it doesnt support my wireless card
[03:27] <chemicalvamp> jarn_ did you install your video card?
[03:27] <chemicalvamp> !nvidia
[03:27] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:27] <jarn_> chemicalvamp: I did that, yes.
[03:28] <jarn_> chemicalvamp: I have the newest version of drivers.
[03:28] <TheDebugger> Is direct rendering on?
[03:29] <jarn_> TheDebugger: How do I tell?
[03:29] <levon> hello im back for another day at the ball park with no questions lol
[03:29] <jarn_> TheDebugger: Wait, yes it is.
[03:29] <chemicalvamp> hello
[03:32] <chemicalvamp> wtf.. BREAK (upgradable
[03:34] <Jucato> levon: that's good to hear :)
[03:35] <levon> jucato actually i stumble apon one just now
[03:35] <levon> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[03:36] <levon> is this a restriction for the os?
[03:36] <Jucato> levon: do you have "build-essential" installed?
[03:36] <levon> ill check apt-get install build-essential right?
[03:37] <Jucato> yep
[03:38] <levon> didnt have it
[03:38] <levon> :)
[03:38] <crackhead_25> question: anyone know why/how to get a microphone to work, which i just plugged into the mic slot of the audio card??
[03:38] <levon> man need the restroom brb
[03:38] <lettuce_> How do I mount a hard dick volume?
[03:38] <lettuce_> *disk
[03:38] <bobstro> heh
[03:38] <lettuce_> lol funny typo
[03:39] <sonoftheclayr> crackhead_25: fire up kmix and enable it there
[03:39] <Jucato> lettuce_: try System Settings -> Advanced tab -> Disks & Filesystem
[03:40] <crackhead_25> how do i enable it in kmix??
[03:41] <lettuce_> ...it says that module disk and filesystems could not be loaded
[03:41] <Jucato> eek...
[03:41] <lettuce_> :(
[03:41] <Jucato> guess you'll probably have to do it manually
[03:41] <Jucato> !mount
[03:41] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[03:42] <sonoftheclayr> crackhead_25: input tab and make sure the red light under it is on
[03:42] <Jucato> oh not very helpful :)
[03:42] <levon> works now thank you
[03:42] <crackhead_25> my input has four options.. line in, mic, phone, and aux.. i have three ports in the audio card.. the red one, blue, and green.. mic goes in red, usually, and that's where i put it..
[03:42] <crackhead_25> which should have red light under it?
[03:42] <levon> wow what a name lol
[03:42] <Jucato> !fstab | lettuce_
[03:42] <ubotu> lettuce_: The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[03:42] <jarn_> I think there's something wrong with my machine. Games don't run well, even Linux games. I have an AMD Athlon 64 3200+, 1GB of ram and an nVidia Geforce 6800. I have installed the drivers and direct rendering is enabled.
[03:43] <sonoftheclayr> crackhead_25: mic
[03:44] <crackhead_25> still doesn't work... ??
[03:44] <crackhead_25> how can i test it?
[03:47] <crackhead_25> sonoftheclayr: how do i test it??
[03:47] <draik> Is anyone here from Texas, USA? Preferably San Antonio area.
[03:48] <borgista> Anyone know why Amarok is buggy as hell in Feisty?
[03:48] <sonoftheclayr> crackhead_25: no idea, sorry
[03:49] <draik> borgista:
[03:49] <crackhead_25> anyone know how to test if a microphone is properly working?? or how to get one to properly work if it's not working??
[03:49] <crimsun> borgista: it's incredibly difficult to assist in debugging when you provide absolutely no details.
[03:49] <levon> woot my program is compiled with no errors time to see if how many bugs i have to fix lol
[03:49] <crackhead_25> crimsun: how do you get a microphone to work? i plugged it in, but it appears not to be recording anything. i enabled the mic setting in kmix, as suggested. the light is on. still, doesnt seem to record.
[03:49] <icecruncher> anybody know a good offline flash app player?
[03:50] <crimsun> crackhead_25: see arecord(1)
[03:50] <draik> crackhead_25: I had that issue. I kept on testing the various sound levels and restarted X after each change. Have you tried that?
[03:50] <crackhead_25> draik: you have to restart x entirely afterwards? did that end up making the mic work?
[03:50] <sonoftheclayr> you shouldn't have to restart x
[03:50] <draik> crackhead_25: It did the last time.
[03:51] <draik> I do it just to be sure it goes through.
[03:51] <draik> Restarting X has fixed other issues, so it doesn't bother. Besides, how hard is it to hit CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE?
[03:52] <sonoftheclayr> and how long does it take to log back in again?
[03:52] <mooman> you should try alsamixer instead of kmix.. kmix is somewhat "broken"
[03:53] <crackhead_25> crimsun: what do you think of draik's recommendation? also, what is the command i would wish to call for arecord to test very simply the mic working or not??
[03:53] <draik> sonoftheclayr: How long does it take you to enter your password?
[03:53] <ncaller> hello, I just successfully dist-upgrade'd from dapper to edgy, however I notice that adept is no longer installed.  Is there a newer preferred package manager for kubuntu?
[03:53] <crackhead_25> mooman: if i adjusted the mic setting in kmix, should i un-adjust it before using alsamixer, or does it not matter (if it's broken)??
[03:54] <sonoftheclayr> draik: about a second but then you have to wait for KDE to start and that takes awhile
[03:54] <mooman> crackhead_25: it does not really matter.. kmix might ignore some settings ..
[03:54] <draik> sonoftheclayr: Not really. Then again, what do I know.
[03:55] <crackhead_25> mooman: im in alsamixer. i dont really understand how it works. why is there a lock/unlock symbol below everything?
[03:55] <mooman> cra
[03:55] <crimsun> crackhead_25: I'm not tracking backscroll, and it's not present when I reattached
[03:55] <crimsun> crackhead_25: what was suggested?
[03:55] <mooman> crackhead_25: press up/down to adjust volume, m to mute/unmute, tab to switch input/output and space to select the input
[03:56] <crackhead_25> crimsun: restarting X
[03:56] <crimsun> crackhead_25: to test mic changes? that's not at all necessary.
[03:56] <crackhead_25> ok
[03:57] <crackhead_25> what's the difference between phone, mic, and line in? is phone strictly for headphones, not microphone?
[03:57] <mooman> crackhead_25: check if mic has this red CAPTUR and is at a correct volume level and unmuted..
[03:57] <jack> hi
[03:58] <crackhead_25> mooman: i see nothing in red. red was in kmix. alsamixer (gui) has no red. how do i know if something is muted/unmuted in alsamixer? m doesn't seem to do it..
[03:58] <mooman> crackhead_25: phone afaik is for real phones connected to the soundcard (kind of anachronistic)
[03:58] <ncaller> is adept still the default package manager front end for edgy-kubuntu?
[03:58] <mooman> crackhead_25: you should be able to select a capture channel via space in the "Caputre" view (cycle tab)
[03:58] <jack> can anyone tell me how to use a canon i560 on kubuntu 7.04 ????
[03:59] <crackhead_25> mooman: still no success with recording after adjusting in alsamixer..
[03:59] <crackhead_25> what's the "capture" view, and in what program are you talking?
[03:59] <bobstro> jack: look at it through the viewfinder and push the little button?
[04:00] <mooman> crackhead_25: still alsamixer .. on top there is a "View: Playback Capture All" with the current selected view hilighted and you can cycle the views with the tab key
[04:00] <jack> bobstro: the i560 is connected to a windows xp pc via usb...... cant establish connection
[04:00] <sonoftheclayr> ncaller: yes
[04:01] <bobstro> jack: in winxp or kubuntu?
[04:01] <jack> im running kubuntu but the printer is connected to xp
[04:01] <crackhead_25> mooman: i dont think im looking at the right alsamixer. how do you run "alsamixer"? i went to adept, dl'd and installed an alsamixer gui, and it was an X window with grey and some controls, but not this capture window you're mentioning..
[04:01] <mooman> crackhead_25: aah i see its a console app i am talking about.. ;-)
[04:02] <sonoftheclayr> crackhead_25: in konsole type in alsamixer
[04:02] <crackhead_25> ah ok.. now what?
[04:02] <mooman> now read the backscroll an try again what i told you ;-)
[04:03] <jack> bobstro: and i cant find the i560 in the drivers list
[04:03] <crackhead_25> mooman: i see shared line in can be either line or mic. i selected it and made it mic, i believe, but i can't elevate the levels at all with up and down arrows.. am i doing something wrong?
[04:03] <bobstro> jack: i don't know that camera. it doesnt show as a flash drive?
[04:03] <jack> bob
[04:04] <jack> bobstro: its a printer!
[04:04] <mooman> crackhead_25: thats fine some channels do not support volume settings
[04:04] <bobstro> jack: wups, wrong model!
[04:04] <jack> ;)
[04:04] <levon> does kubuntu have a firewall and where would it be located
[04:04] <mooman> crackhead_25: just make sure the correct channel is selected .. plus the "Capture" channel is selected and volume is up
[04:04] <bobstro> jack: my joke made no sense at all then. was thinking of the cameras. sorry, no help on the printer from me.
[04:04] <hitmanWilly> !firewall | levon
[04:04] <ubotu> levon: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[04:04] <agentnewb> crackhead_25 another person complaining about sound *sighs* go to alsa site and install them yourself. everything will work
[04:05] <jack> bobstro: k np thx
[04:05] <mooman> crackhead_25:  (Selected as in pressing space to toggle)
[04:05] <crackhead_25> agentnewb: install what myself?
[04:05] <agentnewb> mooman: *stabs you until you shut up about mixer*
[04:05] <agentnewb> crackhead_25: sound drivers
[04:05] <agentnewb> crackhead_25: is it the mic?
[04:05] <crackhead_25> agentnewb: are you sure its sound drivesr i need? it's the mic. i can playback all fine with speakers and what not.
[04:05] <agentnewb> yes sound driver
[04:06] <jack> can anyone tell me how to use the canon i560 printer with kubuntu????
[04:06] <b0nn> hi all, I am trying to install googleearth onto my Kubuntu(edgy) system.  When I run it, all I get is google earth initialising, no error messages.  And thats it, any ideas?
[04:06] <crackhead_25> which driver?
[04:06] <crackhead_25> mooman: what do you think of agentnewb's recommendation?
[04:06] <crimsun> agentnewb: that should only be suggested as a last resort
[04:06] <agentnewb> crackhead_25: http://www.alsa-project.org/ grab the stable driver and try if doesn't work try the beta
[04:06] <slestak> what determines the drive assignments when initrd is made? I move a drive from hdc to hdd, and on every boot, it pauses to check for hdc, and when intird is created for new kernels, it always puts root=/dev/hdc1 in grub.  I have changed fstab, must be somewhere ales
[04:06] <agentnewb> crimsun: bite me
[04:07] <crimsun> I strongly recommend not doing so unless I say it's necessary, because often people randomly install alsa-driver from upstream, thereby clobbering Kubuntu's alsa internals, and /I/ have to deal with the bug reports as the alsa maintainer.
[04:07] <mooman> crackhead_25: well if the driver is broken it MIGHT help but as crimsun states it should only be the last resort.. if fixing your mixer settings and/or cable connection etc. all fails :)
[04:07] <mooman> crackhead_25: or if its really a known bug for some particular sound card.. (there should be an launchpad bug then)
[04:08] <agentnewb> crackhead_25: fine do a backup then try my method
[04:08] <agentnewb> be less time then waiting for their legislative hoo ha
[04:08] <ncaller> Is it useful for me to be running acpid on a Desktop?
[04:08] <mooman> agentnewb: is this a known issue? with bug number?
[04:09] <crimsun> crackhead_25: please read http://www.linux-sound.info/alsa/index.php?task=support and tell me the URL of the paste generated by the script linked from that page.
[04:09] <juifsournois> should i worry about this in syslog and/or how do i stop it: Apr 27 22:48:26 grossebitch dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth1 to <IP_ADDRESS> port 67 interval 13
[04:09] <jack> can anyone tell me how to use the canon i560 printer with kubuntu????
[04:09] <crimsun> crackhead_25: you'll need to download and execute that script with ``bash alsa-info.sh''
[04:09] <ncaller> jack: step 1 search the web, find out if it is supported under linux
[04:10] <jack> ncaller:  there are serveral ways but the wont work
[04:10] <hitmanWilly> jack: a good link for that is www.linuxprinting.org
[04:11] <mooman> jack: canon printer have bad support in linux .. turboprint is an reliable but commercial and expensive driver that supports canon printers...
[04:11] <jack> hitmanWilly: ncaller: the problem is: the printer is connected to a windows pc and i wont to connect to it
[04:11] <jack> mooman: i know turboprint, tried it but the result was bad
[04:12] <mooman> jack: afair there are also binary driver from canon for some models
[04:12] <draik> jack: I used to network Kubuntu with WinXP for printer access
[04:12] <draik> Works just fine
[04:12] <mooman> jack: maybe search the ubuntu forums..
[04:12] <draik> Of cource, I am using an HP printer with supported drivers
[04:12] <jack> i heard that the bjc 7000 driber would do AND that there is a driver in feisty for the 560, but cant find a way to get him running
[04:13] <ncaller> jack this doesn't help you but the nice thing about HP's is many of them are supported via an official HP opensource driver (HPLIP.sourceforge.net) my all in one, is
[04:14] <ncaller> starting the feisty upgrade now
[04:14] <ncaller> the automatic upgrade notification and process is very impressive in adept
[04:14] <ncaller> I was suprised
[04:14] <jack> ncaller: i know that! but when i bought the printer i was running windows ;) i switched 3 months ago
[04:15] <DarkED> hi, i am having a problem getting my external hard drive to mount?
[04:15] <ncaller> yeah what can you do, does the printer have an IPP interface or anything?
[04:15] <ncaller> DarkED what kind of drive?
[04:15] <DarkED> ncaller: it's a USB2.0 2.5" IBM travelstar 60GB
[04:15] <DarkED> ncaller: it mounted fine before i upgraded to feisty (from edgy)
[04:15] <ncaller> basically USB
[04:16] <dennister> does anyone know how to check for all the reserved ports?
[04:16] <jack> ncaller: dont think so! had it running under 6.10 with turboprint! no problem to connect to the windows pc and use the printer... but the result was SO bad....
[04:16] <DarkED> ncaller: i try to mount /dev/sda1 manually but it says no entry in fstab/mtab, but it's a USB device so it shouldnt technically need one
[04:17] <ncaller> its not automatically been mounted somewhere you don't know about has it?
[04:17] <DarkED> ncaller: like a different machine?
[04:17] <hitmanWilly> DarkED: did you check in /media ?
[04:17] <DarkED> hitmanWilly: yes
[04:17] <ncaller> like a different mount point
[04:17] <ncaller> just run 'mount' to check, you probably already did though
[04:17] <DarkED> hitmanWilly: in edgy i would have a folder called 'External HDD' because that's the name of the drive (it's NTFS3.1)
[04:17] <dennister> i'm trying to find an incoming tcp listen port for azureus, and no matter what i try, i get the NAT error
[04:17] <DarkED> ncaller: one sec
[04:18] <ncaller> dennister netstat -l; man netstat
[04:18] <ncaller> dennister also install lsof
[04:18] <DarkED> ncaller: mount says it's not mounted
[04:18] <hitmanWilly> DarkED: if you need to mount it manually, you still can without an fstab entry, you just have to specify filetype, mountpoint, etc
[04:18] <dennister> thx...something in the crowded filing cabinet of my memory said something about netstat
[04:18] <DarkED> hitmanWilly: yes I understand, but I'd like to possibly get it hot-pluggable again
[04:19] <DarkED> hitmanWilly: that way it appears on desktop like it should
[04:19] <ncaller> right like mkdir ~/usbdrive; sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sda ~/usbdrive
[04:19] <DarkED> ncaller: lemme try that and see if it'll even mount
[04:20] <hitmanWilly> DarkED: try sudo fdisk -l to see if the machine's even seeing it
[04:20] <jack> ncaller: when i connect the printer DIRECLTY to the linux pc... it prints ! but how can i connect to a printer wich is connected to a windows pc????
[04:20] <DarkED> ok
[04:20] <DarkED> ncaller: it mounted but it says i do not have permissions to view it
[04:20] <ncaller> jack: okay then connect it to linux, install samba, share it out via samba, and connect to linux from windows
[04:21] <DarkED> hitmanWilly: dmesg confirms that the machine sees it
[04:21] <ncaller> DarkED try running 'groups' this is my output for a regular user
[04:21] <ncaller> matt adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin
[04:21] <hitmanWilly> DarkED: ok, it actually might work for hotplug if you were to put in an fstab entry
[04:21] <ncaller> that is in edgy
[04:22] <jack> ncaller: wouldnt be a solution for me! the windows pc is the server in the office of my father!
[04:22] <ncaller> well edgy/feisty mid upgrade hybrid OS monster
[04:22] <DarkED> ncaller: I get 'darked adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin fuse' which looks normal
[04:22] <ncaller> jack don't know what to tell ya then, no experience with that hardware
[04:23] <DarkED> hitmanWilly: i can try if you think it'll work :)
[04:23] <DarkED> hitmanWilly: i'm willing to try anything
[04:23] <jack> k thx
[04:23] <hitmanWilly> DarkED: give it a shot, at worst it'll make manually mounting it easier :)
[04:23] <DarkED> hitmanWilly: :)
[04:24] <DarkED> hitmanWilly: okay, do you know a good writeup for fstab entries? I'm not too familiar with the mount options
[04:24] <ncaller> man fstab
[04:24] <ncaller> its in there
[04:24] <ncaller> actually never mind
[04:24] <hitmanWilly> DarkED: for something like that id say do user,noauto
[04:24] <ncaller> I just looked at that man page it kind of sucks
[04:25] <hitmanWilly> !fstab
[04:25] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[04:25] <hitmanWilly> DarkED: see above link ^^
[04:25] <DarkED> hitmanWilly: ok, will try it, one sec
[04:28] <DarkED> crap
[04:28] <DarkED> still nothing
[04:28] <DarkED> "you do not have access rights to this location"
[04:28] <DarkED> thats mounting it through fstab
[04:29] <DarkED> ooh, maybe i need to chmod it
[04:29] <ncaller> DarkED where is it mounting it?
[04:29] <DarkED> ncaller: /dev/sda1 to /media/external
[04:29] <DarkED> ncaller: i sudo mkdir'd the /external and also chmodded it to 777
[04:30] <ncaller> ls -l /media | grep external
[04:30] <DarkED> ncaller: root - root is owner
[04:30] <DarkED> root can view the files
[04:30] <hitmanWilly> DarkED: try chowning it
[04:31] <DarkED> i ran sudo konqueror and it's working
[04:31] <DarkED> hitmanWilly: how do i do a chown?
[04:31] <Jucato> !kdesu
[04:31] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[04:31] <hitmanWilly> DarkED: sudo chown <username> <path>
[04:32] <DarkED> hitmanWilly: cant do - read only filesystem
[04:32] <DarkED> lol
[04:32] <DarkED> ooh maybe if i umount it THEN chown
[04:32] <DarkED> nope
[04:33] <DarkED> still insufficient permissions =/
[04:33] <hitmanWilly> DarkED: did you chown the mountpoint or the device?
[04:33] <DarkED> hitmanWilly: the mountpoint
[04:33] <DarkED> hitmanWilly: do i need to chown the /dev?
[04:33] <hitmanWilly> ok, just checking :)
[04:33] <hitmanWilly> no
[04:33] <DarkED> :)
[04:33] <DarkED> okay, i know what COULD have done it
[04:34] <hitmanWilly> DarkED: try adding rw to the fstab options
[04:34] <DarkED> hitmanWilly: ok
[04:34] <hitmanWilly> DarkED: iirc that should be the right option for read/write
[04:34] <ferret_0567> Can somebody please tell me why pages are cut in half when I print them in KPDF on Feisty? I am trying to print a PDF here, and it works...not so good
[04:35] <DarkED> hitmanWilly: it still gives me 'read-only filesystem'
[04:35] <hitmanWilly> :S
[04:36] <hitmanWilly> how is the drive formatted ie ntfs, ext3?
[04:36] <DarkED> GOT IT!
[04:37] <DarkED> hitmanWilly: it was ntfs
[04:37] <DarkED> i finally got it!
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> that's what i figured :)
[04:37] <DarkED> i copied the options from my /dev/hda1 (windows ntfs drive)
[04:37] <DarkED> user,rw,noauto
[04:37] <DarkED> er...
[04:37] <DarkED> defaults,nls=utf8,umask=007,uid=0,gid=46,auto,rw,nouser
[04:37] <DarkED> and now it works :)
[04:37] <hitmanWilly> cool :)
[04:37] <ncaller> good deal
[04:37] <DarkED> now, to get it to hotplug
[04:38] <DarkED> hmm, this is a little weird
[04:38] <hitmanWilly> that's a little above my support level...hotplug is kinda new for me :)
[04:38] <DarkED> if i go to the mountpoint in /media/external, no files appear
[04:39] <DarkED> but if i use the icon that popped on the desktop (and which never goes away) it works
[04:39] <DarkED> odd
[04:39] <ncaller> anyone here care to speak about the stability of the latest kdevelop/qtdesigner on feisty? It's one of the reasons I'm upgrading because it kept crashing on dapper for me and I figured I was way out of date
[04:40] <DarkED> hitmanWilly: do you know how i add spaces to mountpoints in fstab?
[04:40] <SuperSub> alexicon: Are you online?
[04:40] <DarkED> hitmanWilly: say /media/External HDD for instance
[04:40] <hitmanWilly> DarkED: put the path that has spaces in quotes
[04:41] <DarkED> hitmanWilly: doesn't work
[04:41] <ncaller> DarkED hard to say, try "/media/External HDD"
[04:41] <SuperSub> does anyone know how to re-install HP scanner Driver?
[04:41] <ncaller> or try /media/External\ HDD/
[04:42] <DarkED> ncaller: will do :)
[04:43] <scorp007> how do I search for packages using the command line?
[04:43] <DarkED> ncaller: nope
[04:43] <hitmanWilly> scorp007: apt-cache search <package name>
[04:43] <DarkED> ncaller: i do know there's a way, i did it once before... lemme search google
[04:43] <scorp007> hitmanWilly: thanks
[04:44] <hitmanWilly> np
[04:45] <LettuceJoans> ok, I just formatted a partition as ect3 using qtparted, But  when I right click it ans say "mount" it gives me an error :(
[04:45] <hitmanWilly> SuperSub: dpkg --reconfigure hplip?
[04:46] <SuperSub> via terinal window?
[04:46] <hitmanWilly> SuperSub: yup
[04:47] <Endler> Will there be a Thunderbird 2.0 backport available soon?
[04:48] <SuperSub> hitmanwilly:  do understand how to do this
[04:48] <SuperSub> dont*
[04:48] <SuperSub> hitmanwilly:  command only gives me some options
[04:48] <shawkins> Hola!
[04:49] <hitmanWilly> SuperSub: ok, sudo dpkg --purge hplip, then apt-get autoremove, then apt-get install hplip
[04:49] <LettuceJoans> ok, I just formatted a partition as ect3 using qtparted, But  when I right click it ans say "mount" it gives me an error :( what should I do?
[04:50] <hitmanWilly> SuperSub: that wipes out hplip, cleans up after it, then re-downloads it
[04:50] <DarkED> aha, figured it out! the symbol for spaces is \040
[04:51] <holycow> hey guys
[04:51] <holycow> lovin kde once again
[04:51] <SuperSub> hitmanwilly:
[04:51] <SuperSub> # apt-get autoremove
[04:51] <SuperSub> E: Invalid operation autoremove
[04:51] <holycow> glad to see this project around
[04:51] <DarkED> hitmanWilly: yeah, it works
[04:51] <shawkins> as am I, been a good year since I've touched kubuntu :)
[04:51] <holycow> is there anything out there that can be termed kde4 installable on an ubuntu/debian platform without compiling from scratch?
[04:52] <hitmanWilly> SuperSub: ok, don't worry about that cmd then, just sudo apt-get install hplip
[04:52] <holycow> shawkins, been 4 years for me
[04:52] <ferret_0567> What disk usage analyzer is most similar to the GNOME disc space analyzer?
[04:52] <holycow> i am deploying ubuntu in our company and gnome is in a really poor state feature wise
[04:52] <SuperSub> hitmanwilly:
[04:52] <SuperSub>  sudo apt-get install hplip
[04:52] <SuperSub> Reading package lists... Done
[04:52] <shawkins> holycow: really? dang, I bet it's a big change for you then
[04:52] <SuperSub> Building dependency tree... Done
[04:52] <SuperSub> hplip is already the newest version.
[04:52] <SuperSub> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[04:52] <holycow> i'm gonna give kde a go and see how far we get with this
[04:53] <holycow> shawkins, indeed is.
[04:53] <shawkins> holycow: from 4 years ago, it's greatly improved ;) Wonder when 3.x came out
[04:53] <hitmanWilly> SuperSub: try sudo apt-get remove hplip, then sudo apt-get install hplip
[04:53] <holycow> yeah i've seen the odd knoppix orother live cd'shere and then but yeah itgs a whole lot different
[04:55] <ferret_0567> I say KDE is lacking in some areas, take KPDF for example, this retarded app automatically cuts pages in half when I print them, isn't is great?
[04:55] <SuperSub> hitmanwilly: xsane image scanner still does not work what else can i do?
[04:56] <imagine> ferret_0567: Okular will fix that...
[04:56] <shawkins> ferret_0567: I'm sure there's a way to stop that
[04:56] <BluesKaj> SuperSub: try kooka
[04:56] <SuperSub> hitmanwilly: just flashs saying that it found the scanner but the app does not load
[04:56] <hitmanWilly> SuperSub: is it recoignizing you have a scanner attached?
[04:56] <ferret_0567> So, I just install the "okular" package and it's fixed?
[04:57] <ferret_0567> I was going to use Evince
[04:57] <hitmanWilly> SuperSub: try reinstalling xsane, ie sudo apt-get remove xsane, sudo apt-get install xsane
[04:57] <SuperSub> hitmanwilly: just got an error message failed to open device hpaio usb officejet
[04:57] <hitmanWilly> oh, wait a minute
[04:58] <hitmanWilly> SuperSub: its an officejet? you need hpoj then
[04:58] <shawkins> ok.. well time to install Kubuntu, have fun kids
[04:59] <SuperSub> hitmanwilly: i already ran those commands you gave me
[04:59] <hitmanWilly> SuperSub: sudo apt-get install hpoj
[05:00] <hitmanWilly> SuperSub: office jets use different drivers iirc
[05:00] <SuperSub> hitmanwilly: just tried to run xsane again but with no luck
[05:00] <hitmanWilly> SuperSub: did you install hpoj?
[05:01] <SuperSub> hitmanwilly:yep
[05:01] <SuperSub> hitmanwilly: the error message says that the device is busy.. Really doing nothing
[05:01] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, check www.linuxprinting.org to see if there's any known issues w/ your model. it may just be a bug...
[05:02] <hitmanWilly> printers are kinda hit or miss
[05:02] <hivemind> Which HP printer is this?
[05:06] <Str_9_r3> I need a gaming server, how do I get it?
[05:11] <ferret_0567> Goodbye Kubuntu, back to GNOME
[05:12] <ferret_0567> You screw up on even simple things like telling me how many pages are printing
[05:12] <ferret_0567> You don't give me the correct number of pages
[05:12] <ferret_0567> bye...and good riddance
[05:14] <dennister> okidoke...azureus is now crashing as soon as I start it up, and the problem seems to be with sun java 5, the runtime environment...any ideas how to fix this problem?
[05:15] <dennister> oops, sun java 6, the jre...i've tried purging and reinstalling both, to no avail
[05:17] <osiris> what program would i use to resample a wav file in kubuntu
[05:17] <osiris> kinda like goldwave
[05:18] <usser> osiris: i'd use ffmpeg
[05:22] <MrWGW> woo dang I wish I'd been in here earlier to flame that <censored>
[05:25] <SilentM> How would I go about settting up a joystick (Non-USB)?
[05:26] <mulv> anyone know how Plasma is going?
[05:27] <hivemind> 0 to Lost in 6 seconds...
[05:27] <mulv> i read on akregator that someone thinks it has stopped?
[05:27] <hivemind> Where did I put my Kubuntu disc?!
[05:28] <xiO_> hi, does anyone know which port kweather uses? my firewall seems to be blocking it
[05:28] <hitmanWilly> xiO_: i would think just http
[05:29] <xiO_> worth a shot
[05:30] <kunjan> so anyone figure out why some external media wont automount in kde-feisty while some will?
[05:31] <xiO_> hitman: you seem to be correct
[05:31] <xiO_> thanks
[05:32] <hitmanWilly> np
[05:35] <flatul> I have checked 9 tutorials and howtos so far. Including the one in this room's announcement (wiki.kubuntu).   ***** How do I listen to MP3s on Kubuntu _LIVECD_. All tutorials instruct to modify the list of repositories. The problem is, that in the LiveCD, the repository list (sources.list) is readonly. I JUST WANT TO HEAR MP3s!
[05:35] <sangers> help
[05:35] <sangers> ?
[05:35] <sangers> menu
[05:35] <gdiebel> dennister: try getting the jar file from azureus website and extract and copy to /usr/share/java/Azureus2.jar
[05:36] <kunjan> flatul: download the package for mp3s directly and install it with "dpkg -i packagename.deb"
[05:36] <flatul> kunjan: which package is that? or where do I go to find out?
[05:37] <flatul> this is crazy. Amarok freezes and crashes just because it cannot open the mp3. that's crazy.
[05:38] <flatul> I read that Amarok can fix this problem inside Amarok itself (it refers to the kubuntu-mp3 problem). But I cannot find where.
[05:38] <kunjan> flatul: Amarok crashes on me occasionally too... but then i am running amd64.. its gotten stable tho
[05:38] <flatul> As I said, Amarok freezes and crashes.
[05:38] <gdiebel> flatul: you may wish to install kubuntu to your hard drive
[05:38] <kunjan> not sure what package it is..
[05:39] <flatul> kunjan: it's a very feeble and weak program if it crashes so easily. this is a vanilla 32 bit. (ok, dual core)
[05:40] <flatul> gdiebel: no, I do not want to install kubuntu to hard drive _right now_. I *JUST* want to hear mp3s!
[05:41] <kunjan> flatul: amarok is a very memory intensive program... i dont think it would run well of a live cd especially if you have a large collection the DB requirements can be huge
[05:42] <flatul> kunjan: I want to hear 16 mp3s. I do not want to install. I am running livecd off a 2GB RAM, 1.66ghz dual core
[05:42] <flatul> kunjan: this should be more than enough for amarok, and for kubuntu. and mp3
[05:43] <flatul> I JUST WANNA HEAR MP3S!
[05:43] <kunjan> lol yeah that should be enought
[05:43] <xiO_> would installing gstreamer work?
[05:43] <flatul> xiO_: can that be done without having to mess with repositories?
[05:43] <xiO_> I believe so, try it
[05:43] <Skyblast> amarok uses xine
[05:43] <xiO_> ah, wee
[05:44] <Skyblast> flatul: I don't know how well this will work with the whole OS running in ram but do this in a terminal
[05:44] <Skyblast> sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg
[05:44] <Skyblast> then try your mp3's in amarok
[05:45] <flatul> Skyblast:
[05:45] <flatul> Package libxine1-ffmpeg is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[05:45] <flatul> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[05:45] <flatul> is only available from another source
[05:45] <flatul> E: Package libxine1-ffmpeg has no installation candidate
[05:45] <flatul> this is kubuntu livecd 7.04
[05:46] <flatul> i cannot edit repositories
[05:47] <xiO_> libxine-main1 ?
[05:48] <flatul> i just installed juk from adept. It installed FINE. It made the mp3 playlist FINE. When I double click on one of the MP3s on the list: NOTHING. no error, no dialog. NO SOUND.
[05:48] <Skyblast> hmmm, that works on a HD install
[05:48] <Skyblast> might try main1, or maybe libxine-extracodecs
[05:48] <flatul> Skyblast: I cannot change repositories.
[05:48] <Skyblast> did you try to edit them with sudo priveleges?
[05:49] <xiO_> fix your sound first, then get mp3s working
[05:49] <zoilom> guys, do you know how to dual boot kubuntu with vista?
[05:49] <Skyblast> Aside from that, I think all repos are enabled by default
[05:49] <Skyblast> Except for backports
[05:49] <gdiebel> flatul: you should be able to edit the repo, iirc. try: alt+f2. then enter: 'kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list'
[05:49] <flatul> Adept doesn't have any dialog to choose repositories. HOWEVER, Adept shows that "unsupported" and "proprietary software" is selected.
[05:49] <flatul> gdiebel: it tells me it is read only
[05:50] <hitmanWilly> flatul: see if ubuntu-restricted-extras is installable
[05:51] <Skyblast> flatul: you should see if your sound is working at all. Have you tried an ogg file? Those should play out of the box
[05:51] <Skyblast> The other media player not working at all worries me
[05:52] <shahrol> try use headphone..its work for me on my laptop..d builtin speaker didnt hav any sound
[05:53] <flatul> Skyblast: I have now changed with sudo privileges.
[05:53] <flatul> Skyblast: sound is working. All system sounds and beeps and twugs sound fine
[05:54] <Skyblast> hmm
[05:54] <Skyblast> well, sudo apt-get update then try the libxine1-ffmpeg again
[05:54] <flatul> Skyblast: I am doing that last thing
[05:54] <flatul> brb
[05:56] <flatul> Skyblast: it seems it installed fine now.
[05:56] <Skyblast> okay, try your mp3 in amarok
[05:57] <flatul> ok, the mp3 works now. sound is coming out
[05:57] <flatul> HALLELUJAH
[05:57] <Skyblast> hurray
[05:57] <flatul> Skyblast: can this be written down somewhere?
[05:58] <flatul> Skyblast: this set of instructions did NOT work: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/MP3_on_Kubuntu_6.06
[05:58] <flatul> This set of instructions did NOT work either: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.5.php
[05:59] <flatul> neither did this (this is linked from the web site from this room): https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[05:59] <Skyblast> First link is for Dapper. Things have changed significantly since then
[05:59] <Skyblast> Second link is for Edgy
[06:00] <flatul> well those are first places in google, and on this chat room's announcent.
[06:00] <DarkED> hmm, i'm trying to play an XviD .avi file. It works fine in VLC but I only get audio in Kaffeine, no video...
[06:00] <flatul> I'd like to help update them with what you just gave me.
[06:00] <DarkED> i would just use VLC but it doesn't support my multimon setup
[06:00] <Skyblast> Third link has what worked
[06:00] <Skyblast> It just didn't go well with the livecd, I can say with experience that on a HDD install it does work
[06:01] <flatul> I haven't started to work in my own work-related stuff because I've been frustratedly busy trying to make this friggin thing work.
[06:01] <Skyblast> DarkED: Try installing the libxine1-ffmpeg package
[06:02] <flatul> Before I go on with my life, I would like to give something back, so I would like to help put these instructions up. Where can this be done?
[06:03] <heyholmez> anyone know a good ftp client/server software w/ gui
[06:04] <flatul> I lost a couple of hours on this, I'd like to avoid this for someone else.
[06:04] <flatul> heyholmez: bearftp, transmission
[06:05] <DarkED> Skyblast: already installed
[06:05] <Skyblast> flatul: The installation instructions on the Ubuntu wiki  say the right package to install.  You could edit it with a tip for the LiveCD, I suppose.
[06:05] <Skyblast> hmm
[06:05] <Skyblast> Do any videos work?
[06:05] <flatul> heyholmez: Filezilla, KFTPGrabber, gFTP, Casablanca
[06:05] <flatul> Gone with the Wind, Seven Year Itch FTP
[06:06] <heyholmez> anyone know good ftp client/server software w/ gui for linux
[06:06] <hitmanWilly> flatul: try posting it on the wiki
[06:06] <hitmanWilly> !wiki | flatul
[06:06] <ubotu> flatul: wiki is http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Loads of user-contributed documentation
[06:06] <heyholmez> sry slow web irc
[06:07] <snowstorm> anybody know how to play wmv files, ie which packages need to  be installed for that? all I get is a black screen in kaffeine, but the sound works
[06:07] <Jucato> hm.....
[06:08] <Komsip> Yo
[06:08] <Jucato> !w32codecs | snowstorm
[06:08] <ubotu> snowstorm: Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[06:08] <flatul> Skyblast: wiki.kubuntu.com/CommonQuestions redirects to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions which is not a wiki
[06:08] <Jucato> flatul: it is a wiki
[06:08] <snowstorm> Jukato, the w32codecs are installed
[06:08] <heyholmez> ah cool filezille beta for linux
[06:09] <Jucato> help.ubuntu.com/community is the page for user-contributed/community documentation
[06:09] <flatul> there's this on the real wiki, but it redirects to the help.ubuntu non wiki site (http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php#mp3s)
[06:10] <Jucato> flatul: help.ubuntu.com/community is the page for user-contributed/community documentation
[06:10] <Jucato> flatul: it is  a wiki
[06:10] <flatul> I go to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/ but most applicable links would seem to link to non-wiki pages
[06:11] <DarkED> man, i just cannot get this video to play correctly
[06:11] <Jucato> DarkED: what format is it in?
[06:12] <DarkED> Jucato: it's an .avi, XViD
[06:12] <Jucato> DarkED: install libxine-extracodecs
[06:12] <snowstorm> do I need any gstreamer packages for playing wmv files?
[06:12] <DarkED> Jucato: i know it's not the video because it plays fine in VLC player, just not in Kaffeine or any other Xine engine player
[06:13] <DarkED> Jucato: already have extracodecs
[06:13] <Jucato> hm....
[06:13] <DarkED> Jucato: could it be a setting somewhere?
[06:13] <flatul> Skyblast: you say it's a community site. I understand. But it's not a wiki. There's no wiki way to modify this page, for instance: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[06:14] <Jucato> flatul: do you see the "login to edit" at the top?
[06:14] <Jucato> flatul: 4th time. it is a wiki
[06:15] <flatul> Jucato: Skyblast: I apologize. You were right, I was wrong. There indeed is a "login to edit" message in a font size 6. tiny. but you were right.
[06:16] <Jucato> flatul: actually reading the main page ( https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ ) would have saved you a lot of checking as it says there: "Please read WikiGuide before making any edits. Thanks."
[06:16] <nixternal> !wiki
[06:16] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu development documentation wiki. If you are looking for system help, please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community - the Ubuntu community documentation.
[06:16] <nixternal> ;p
[06:17] <flatul> ubotu: thank you ubotu.
[06:17] <Jucato> !thanks | flatul
[06:17] <Jucato> :D
[06:17] <Jucato> oh slow bot :P
[06:17] <nixternal> haha, I had to do that Jucato, since you stole my mojo ;p
[06:17] <ubotu> flatul: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[06:17] <flatul> ubotu: I know you are a bot.
[06:17] <nixternal> wow
[06:17] <flatul> ubotu: don't talk to me more
[06:17] <flatul> ubotu: stop
[06:17] <ubotu> NOTICE - Please stop this discussion NOW. See !offtopic for things that are inappropriate to discuss in this channel. Continuing will result in action being taken.
[06:17] <flatul> ubotu: please
[06:17] <ubotu> Avoid your questions being followed by a trail of "Please, help me", "Can nobody help me?", "I really need this!", and so on. This just contributes to making the channel unreadable. If you are not answered, ask again later; but see also !repeat and !patience
[06:18] <DarkED> AHA! GOT IT!
[06:18] <Jucato> DarkED: er.. keep the caps down :)
[06:18] <DarkED> Jucato: win32 codecs directory was wrong :)
[06:18] <nixternal> hahahaha
[06:18] <Jucato> er? O.o
[06:18] <flatul> good bye
[06:18] <DarkED> Jucato: sorry man, but i've been trying to solve this for about 4 hours now
[06:18] <DarkED> Jucato: you'd use caps too
[06:18] <Jucato> no, I'd use lots of !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
[06:18] <snowstorm> I have installed w32codecs, libxine1, libxine1-ffmpeg, libxine1-kde, kaffeine-xine, libxine-extracodecs, libarts1-xine, libsmpeg0, mpeglib, libmpeg2-4, ..., so what else could it be? :-)
[06:18] <nixternal> lol! I think I have to agree with DarkED on that one
[06:18] <Jucato> (there's no rule about that :P)
[06:19] <nixternal> snowstorm: what are you tring to do?
[06:19] <nixternal> s/tring/trying/
[06:19] <snowstorm> I am trying to play a wmv file
[06:19] <Jucato> s/trying/frying :)
[06:19] <Jucato> DarkED: though I understand your.. um.. "joy" :D
[06:19] <nixternal> snowstorm: now all wmv's will play, if they have DRM enabled, then you are dead out of luck with it
[06:19] <nixternal> i.e., you can't watch the Microsoft videos ;)
[06:19] <Jucato> s/now/not
[06:20] <DarkED> Jucato: :)
[06:20] <Jucato> snowstorm: translation: if the file is DRM'ed, no can do :)
[06:21] <Jucato> hahha
[06:21] <snowstorm> it has no DRM, I'm sure
[06:21] <nixternal> then it should work with all of that stuff you installed
[06:21] <nixternal> err, REBOOT!
[06:21] <snowstorm> DarkED, what's that with the wrong directory thing? COuld solve my problem as well
[06:21] <nixternal> you have to for wmv and the w32codecs iirc
[06:22] <Jucato> snowstorm: how did you install the w32codec?
[06:22] <DarkED> snowstorm: win32codecs goes into /usr/lib/codecs by default
[06:22] <snowstorm> Jucato, I installed from medibuntu
[06:22] <nixternal> dpkg -l w32codecs......deb
[06:22] <nixternal> ok that is the same thing
[06:22] <DarkED> snowstorm: mine was set to /usr/lib/win32
[06:22] <Jucato> eeek...
[06:22] <Jucato> nixternal: -i :P
[06:22] <nixternal> what did I say?
[06:22] <nixternal> errr, hahaha l, list um!
[06:22] <Jucato> >:)
[06:23] <flatul> goodbye now
[06:24] <nixternal> snowstorm: /usr/lib/win32 should be filled with symlinks to /usr/lib/codecs iirc
[06:24] <nixternal> DarkED rather ^^
[06:24] <snowstorm> nixternal, I do have a sym link /usr/lib/win32 to /usr/lib/codecs
[06:24] <Komsip> what set ofwin32 codecs are you talking about?
[06:25] <nixternal> snowstorm: did you reboot at all since installation?
[06:25] <Komsip> for mplayer? or for xine?
[06:25] <nixternal> win32codecs is win32codecs
[06:25] <Jucato> mplayer needs w32codecs?
[06:25] <snowstorm> nixternal, yes, several times already, I tried since a few days
[06:25] <nixternal> ok, then the issue lies elsewhere
[06:25] <Komsip> Jucato: if you want to view some formats yeah
[06:25] <Jucato> oh I thought it came with everything
[06:26] <Komsip> it has a codec library
[06:26] <snowstorm> so anything else I can check?
[06:26] <Komsip> I haven't understood this whole deb and apt thing yet i'm new to kubuntu/debian
[06:27] <terapicodave> for some reason when I click a url in kopete, quanta the web editor opens the url up...i'd like to make that firefox....any idea where that config info is stored or configured/
[06:28] <terapicodave> ?
[06:28] <leo_> hi to everybody
[06:29] <Jucato> terapicodave: System Settings ->  Default Applications
[06:29] <leo_> has anyone tried Solaris 10 OS?
[06:33] <Komsip> how old is that solaris system?
[06:34] <Komsip> in university we  only had solaris
[06:34] <Komsip> not sure which version
[06:34] <Komsip> in the geomatics section at least
[06:34] <dennister> i've got my first wine app working, with k-menu item and everything :)
[06:34] <Grape_Juice> The rare non-broken version? ;p
[06:34] <Grape_Juice> *kidding*
[06:35] <dennister> although i must say i do like ktorrent better so far...wish they'd get an update that won't crash so often
[06:36] <Jucato> dennister: hasn't crashed for me since... um... version 2.0
[06:36] <Jucato> I guess it just depends on how much you use it (and for what?)
[06:37] <dennister> it was crashing pretty well everyday over the past month while I was still on edgy, and now again on my new feisty
[06:37] <dennister> ever since the last upgrade
[06:37] <Jucato> hm... that's weird.. could it be caused by the torrent itself?
[06:37] <dennister> different torrents
[06:38] <dennister> with the different torrents, and the different versions, the only common denominator is the last upgrade
[06:39] <Jucato> oh... :/
[06:39] <dennister> it never used to crash b4 that last adept-update, b4 feisty was released
[06:39] <Jucato> ktorrent has been kind to me... :/
[06:39] <dennister> ur lucky then :)
[06:40] <millinao> woah, i didnt know that windows flashed in kde
[06:40] <Jucato> possibly... one of those rare times :/
[06:40] <Jucato> O.o
[06:41] <dennister> and i like this winfile...too bad it doesn't have the permissions/ownership info like when konq or nautilus is in tree view
[06:41] <dennister> anyone know how to make konq's default view tree, instead of the icon view?
[06:42] <dennister> with nautilus it's easy to make this tree view the default view
[06:43] <dennister> i see no practical use for icons whatsoever...you just have to open them, which is a waste of clicks and time
[06:44] <Jucato> View -> View Mode -> Treeview then Settings -> Save View Profile?
[06:44] <dennister> k...will try
[06:45] <gdiebel> dennister: if you aren't keen on icons, give krusader a whirl.
[06:46] <Jucato> although that's a big jump from "not liking icons" to "liking twin panel file management" :D
[06:46] <icecruncher> gdiebel: yeah, krusader is awesome
[06:48] <dennister> gdiebel: maybe i will thx, cause jucato's suggestion didn't work, but thx anyway jucato
[06:48] <Jucato> it didn't? weird...
[06:49] <Jucato> are you sure you saved and used the correct view profile?
[06:50] <dennister> yes, i'm sure...closed it, reopened it, and icons are back...when i went to load the saved profile again, there was no change at all
[06:50] <dennister> i remember hearing good things about krusader a long time ago, actually, but wasn't at home so i forgot all about it
[06:51] <dennister> i mean, why would anyone want icons anyway if they just have to be opened?
[06:51] <Corbin|Tuxing> what is a good program for linux like dreamweaver other than bluefish
[06:51] <dennister> folder icons, that is
[06:52] <Jucato> dennister: one word: "choice"
[06:52] <Jucato> I have no technical or usability reason to prefer icons over a list or tree view. I just happen to like it like that.
[06:52] <dennister> ok, and i guess the winblows pps are used to folder icons
[06:52] <Jucato> hm... maybe or maybe not
[06:53] <Jucato> on Windows I used to always use a list view of sorts
[06:53] <dennister> i'm an old dos user from way back...i used to love a file manager called xtree
[06:55] <dennister> my 18-year-old linux-resister can't understand why i prefer windows explorer to the my computer method of one set of folders after another
[06:55] <Tired_> everybody has their own way.
[06:56] <Tired_> i kinda like using ls and tab completion
[06:56] <dennister> all right gdiebel! a man after my own heart...didn't think anyone would have heard of that prog
[06:56] <Jucato> :)
[06:56] <Jucato> weirdos have found each other :P
[06:57] <dennister> roflmho
[06:57] <Tired_> ...should that be the topic for today?
[06:57] <dennister> although i fail to see why using a good, old program wouuld make someone wierd
[06:57] <dennister> lol
[06:58] <Jucato> dennister: the fact that it's "good and old" is self-explanatory :P
[06:58] <Tired_> so, anybody ever heard of such a thing as a portable email server?
[06:58] <dennister> *would never hit jucato :)
[06:59] <dennister> jucato is just too helpful to too many...and that's appreciated
[06:59] <Jucato> hahah :)
[06:59] <Jucato> you can hit me anytime... of course, I will hit back... in a nice way :)
[06:59] <Tired_> i'm trying to find some kind of email thingie that will suck up email when it has a net connection and distribute it when it doesn't, like on a usb stick
[07:00] <Jucato> Tired_: like this? http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/thunderbird_portable
[07:00] <Jucato> oh server.. sorry
[07:00] <Tired_> no
[07:01] <Tired_> something that can be passed around to many people, who don't have net access, so they can get email
[07:01] <Tired_> and then back to somewhere that does have email, so it can sync up new emails for the next time
[07:01] <Tired_> does that make sense?
[07:01] <Tired_> sorta hard to explain
[07:02] <dennister> ok...now have to configure krusader...bbs
[07:02] <Jucato> not to me... but I'm a server noob anyway :)
[07:02] <Tired_> me too.  i had the idea, but I don't know if it's actually possible
[07:03] <shawkins> Tired_: what possible?
[07:04] <Tired_> A program I can use to do this:  A USB stick is plugged in at my house, which has net, and retrieves email for several accounts.  The stick is then physically taken to several places that don't have net, so they can sync their emails off the stick to their respective email clients.  The empty stick then makes it way back to me to repeat the process.
[07:05] <shawkins> I'm certain it's possible :) These people, using Windows? Linux? Or a mix?
[07:05] <Tired_> Seems to me I'd heard of the idea before, for schools in Africa or something
[07:06] <Tired_> ideally, i'd like it to be platform indepandant, but probably it'll be just windows and ubuntu users
[07:07] <Tired_> the ubuntu user being me at the net connection end
[07:08] <icecruncher> just wondering, what do you use for a shoutcast server?
[07:08] <shawkins> yeah, that doesn't seem like it'd be too hard
[07:08] <dennister> hmmmm...i *really* like Krusader :)
[07:08] <shawkins> and.. while I can't do it right now, sometime I'll look around, there might be something like that
[07:08] <gdiebel> icecruncher: icecast-server
[07:09] <gdiebel> dennister: I kinda figured you would after you mentioned xtree
[07:10] <dennister> since this is a new feisty install, i still have lots of zipped files to move around and stuff, so the split view is sooooo great for moving lots of stuff around
[07:10] <dennister> i know the other filemanagers have split view, but with krusader it's the default
[07:10] <Tired_> i like the cube for that, but then, i just got the cube, so I like it for everything
[07:11] <Tired_> :)
[07:11] <dennister> what's the cube for?
[07:11] <Tired_> beryl
[07:11] <Tired_> the desktop cube
[07:12] <dennister> ah...i haven't seen any practical use for beryl yet
[07:12] <Tired_> it's great for organizing your windows
[07:12] <dennister> except that i was told my son would finally be converted from a linux resister if he saw beryl :) that might do it for me
[07:12] <Tired_> likely true
[07:12] <Tired_> it's impressive
[07:13] <Jucato> if kwin_composite turns out as hoped, then we can all probably put compiz-beryl aside :)
[07:13] <Tired_> whats that?
[07:13] <dennister> of course, my son's in the doghouse right now...i have no itnention of getting hold of him anytime soon
[07:14] <Tired_> ooooh
[07:14] <Jucato> Tired_: kwin_composite? kde4's new implementation of kwin (window manager) that will have compositing built-in and done right
[07:14] <dennister> what's kwin_composite going to do? any practical use?
[07:14] <Tired_> oh cool.  leave it to kde to integrate it in
[07:14] <Jucato> dennister: what does beryl do? any practical use? :D
[07:15] <shawkins> sorry, had to attend to something
[07:15] <Jucato> Tired_: actually, kwin already has a separate compositing engine, but not built-in to kwin and a bit buggy
[07:15] <dennister> cute...no i mean it, will it do anything practical? besides get converts?
[07:15] <Jucato> kompmgr was more of a proof of concept and experiment that got into KDE's base
[07:15] <Tired_> but i'm sure it'll be all integrated with kcontrol, rather than all separate like now
[07:16] <Jucato> dennister: depends on what you would consider practical.
[07:16] <Jucato> Tired_: kompmgr is integrated with kcontrol :)
[07:16] <Jucato> has always been
[07:16] <Tired_> :)
[07:16] <Jucato> dennister: for one, it takes advantage of graphics capabilities for improved window management (technical benefits)
[07:17] <Jucato> dennister: being built from kwin also ensures that you have an already tested, working, and stable window manager that you could rely on
[07:17] <dennister> i consider something practical if it burns or rips a cd/dvd...or gives more control/info on settings...or gives better versioning tools than openoffice
[07:17] <Tired_> the trick modes aren't really something you can comprehend the utility of until you integrate it into your workflow, I think
[07:18] <dennister> i can't stand the fact that ms word is still better for versioning than openoffice
[07:18] <Jucato> dennister: hm... we're talking about a window manager though :)
[07:18] <Jucato> window managers don't do any of those
[07:18] <Tired_> being able to peel back the corner of my AbiWord window to look at a firefox page I was referring to is handy, for example
[07:18] <dennister> i know...reliability for anything is important...
[07:19] <Jucato> ryanakca: ping
[07:19] <Jucato> oh this is getting ridiculous...
[07:19] <dennister> dvd:rip, acidrip...graveman...not reliable at all...reliability can apply to any category of software apps...i know u were limiting your discussion to window managers, but i wasn't
[07:19] <Tired_> and the moral of this story is...auto connect is evil
[07:20] <Jucato> hm.. seems to have stopped...
[07:20] <Tired_> dvd:rip has never failed me
[07:21] <dennister> lol...ok Tired_ you've sold me on the benefits of a better window manager with:
[07:21] <Jucato> dennister: ok... well since we were talking about kwin_composite and you asked what were its practical uses/advantages, I presumed you were also referring to kwin :)
[07:21] <dennister>  <Tired_> being able to peel back the corner of my AbiWord window to look at a firefox page I was referring to is handy, for example
[07:22] <facundo> hi
[07:22] <dennister> That is of practical use :)
[07:22] <Jucato> heh that depends on how much you have to peel back anyway :D
[07:22] <Tired_> it's little things that make it handy, like that.  you'll find other things, too.
[07:23] <Jucato> I find it "useful" (personally) to keep non-focused windows semi transparent... it sort of keeps me focused... just me
[07:23] <dennister> hunting between tons of apps with alt-tab for something you want to copy and paste is a bore...and time consuming
[07:23] <Tired_> well, I do it now 100% more often than I did before I had the ability.
[07:23] <dennister> lol @ Tired_
[07:24] <Jucato> well, when you peel a corner of the window, you're not free to use your mouse to copy text...
[07:24] <Jucato> afaik
[07:24] <Tired_> mo
[07:24] <Tired_> er no
[07:24] <Jucato> moo
[07:24] <Tired_> but if you need to paste, you'd switch windows...peeling is just if you need a quick glance
[07:24] <Jucato> yep
[07:25] <dennister> ok...gotcha
[07:25] <Jucato> what I would probably like best are the "Expos" and pager features (not the cube)
[07:25] <Jucato> ah getting offtopic are wee
[07:25] <Jucato> we*
[07:26] <Tired_> i like the cube a lot.  it actauly makes multiple desktops useful
[07:26] <dennister> lol...for some reason this feisty isntall got the wrong keyboard layout at first...had to really fight to type in an apostrophe and a following letter...but i did get it fixed
[07:26] <Tired_> en-CA?
[07:27] <Tired_> i've done that a lot.  i don't parlez voud francais, so that layout doesn't help me much
[07:27] <dennister> i don't think we're offtopic, we're discussing the possibilities of ubuntu apps like kwin
[07:27] <Jucato> Tired_: the pager (I think Beryl calls it "wall plugin" or something) is more useful for me, specially when I want to put a window on another desktop that isn't next to the current desktop
[07:27] <dennister> i actually had us:international
[07:27] <Jucato> oh, the cube would also be useful if it actually worked with KDE's virtual desktops :(
[07:28] <Tired_> ... it doesn't?
[07:28] <Jucato> (or rather, if Beryl did)
[07:28] <dennister> any idea when this kwin might be released?
[07:28] <Jucato> Beryl doesn't work well with KDE virtual desktops. it multiplies the number of viewports by the number of desktops
[07:28] <Jucato> dennister: kde 4
[07:29] <dennister> anticipated date?
[07:29] <Tired_> oh.  maybe i'm confusing desktops and viewports
[07:29] <Jucato> October 2007 (target... very very tentative)
[07:29] <Jucato> Tired_: you must be :D
[07:29] <shawkins> bah... gotta go
[07:29] <shawkins> have fun guys, I need to take care of some things, later
[07:29] <Tired_> oh, speaking of beryl, I had an odd issue the other day
[07:29] <Jucato> Tired_: also, beryl in general doesn't work well with Kicker...like the taskbar
[07:29] <dennister> hmmm...maybe i'll try beryl then...even if the kid is in the doghouse he'll probably show up on my b-day or mother's day (2 days apart)
[07:30] <Tired_> I opened a new firefox window, and it was totally black
[07:30] <Tired_> when I reduced the size of the window a lot, it got contents, but when I made it bigger, it was black again
[07:30] <Jucato> Tired_: hm... try asking in #beryl or #ubuntu-effects
[07:31] <Tired_> oh, it went away and never happened again.  it was just odd.
[07:31] <jussi01> someone remind me what needs to be installed for ark to like RAR's?
[07:31] <Jucato> jussi01: unrar
[07:31] <icecruncher> rar
[07:31] <Jucato> (and rar to make RAR's)
[07:31] <Jucato> unrar to decompress/extract and rar to compress
[07:32] <jussi01> thanks lads
[07:33] <Tired_> oooh, my show is half over
[07:33] <Tired_> lol
[07:33] <Tired_> i actually used to do theatre
[07:34] <Jucato> and that's suppose to make me not go "ewww"? :D
[07:34] <Tired_> um, no?
[07:34] <Tired_> just sort of ironic given your 'ew'.
[07:36] <Jucato> :D
[07:37] <icecruncher> someone know a good site for liux apps reviews?
[07:37] <dennister> aha! i now have no less than 2 working windows apps in wine! :)
[07:37] <Tired_> lol, I got iTuhnes going today  :)
[07:37] <dennister> so far it's utorrent and dvdshrink
[07:38] <Arwen> I tried running wine in wine :-\
[07:38] <Tired_> dvd95 is ok, also, for something native
[07:38] <dennister> lol @ Arwen
[07:38] <Arwen> dennister, it works :-)
[07:38] <dennister> that's hilarious
[07:39] <dennister> what's funny is that dvd shrink was always open source to begin with...but not now i don't believe...now it's only windows based
[07:40] <Jucato> (an app can be open-source *and* for windows only, though)
[07:40] <Tired_> the repos have an extensive selection of good dvd ripping programs and video stuff
[07:40] <dennister> oh, ok...didn't know that
[07:41] <Arwen> DVD Shrink was never open source...
[07:41] <dennister> i've tried lots of them...ripping music off my cd's to keep them in pristine condition is not a problem, with movies it's much harder
[07:41] <ubuntu__> hello
[07:42] <dennister> ok...stand corrected...it was always freeware tho
[07:42] <ubuntu__> i would like to know which type of partition to use for kubuntu
[07:42] <ubuntu__> should i use reiserfs?
[07:42] <Arwen> ubuntu_, you should use which ever one is your personal preference
[07:42] <Jucato> ubuntu__: ext3 is ok. unless you actually need/prefer something else
[07:42] <Arwen> like... maybe FAT 16
[07:42] <ubuntu__> hmmm ty ::)
[07:42] <ubuntu__> so i'll use ext3 :D
[07:42] <Jucato> Arwen: er...?
[07:43] <dennister> i made an original dvd training video last spring, and because the office didn't have any true dvd authoring apps (ms partner) they used dvd shrink to make the copies
[07:43] <ubuntu__> btw.. which is the difference between reiserfs and ext3:
[07:43] <ubuntu__> ?
[07:43] <Jucato> ubuntu__: hm... very technical details I think...
[07:43] <Arwen> reiserfs uses extents and tail-packing to try and achieve higher speed with small files
[07:43] <dennister> i had to use it to make one hour actually fit on the dvd
[07:44] <Arwen> DVDs need to die.... MPEG-2 for that matter too
[07:44] <unix_infidel> simply put, in some instances reiser is faster and in some instances ext2/3 is faster.
[07:44] <Jucato> reiserfs isn't officially supported by the linux kernel also I think
[07:44] <ubuntu__> Arwen nice :) ty
[07:44] <unix_infidel> generally ext3 is better supported.
[07:44] <dennister> lol...why Arwen?
[07:44] <Arwen> because they're 10 year old technology and way better solutions exist?
[07:44] <terapicodave> Jucato...I asked about the default applications but I'm actually using gnome and kopete...there's no system settings -> default apps
[07:44] <dennister> such as?
[07:44] <Arwen> like H.264 + AAC in Matroska
[07:44] <ubuntu__> i used reiserfs in slackware... but just because someone recommended me :S
[07:44] <Jucato> terapicodave: oh...
[07:45] <Jucato> Arwen: hm... KDE is also 10 years old now :D
[07:45] <ubuntu__> anyway, ty for the help :)
[07:45] <dennister> good one jucato
[07:45] <Noldoaran> I have 2 kmenu questions: 1. Where does kde store its kmenu configuration? I want to copy my kmenu configuration(the menu layout) for another user to use.
[07:45] <Tired_> but kde's not locked
[07:45] <terapicodave> jucato maybe i can get to that tool from the cli?
[07:45] <Arwen> Jucato, that's why there's KDE 4 coming up
[07:45] <Jucato> Arwen: but still 10 years old :)
[07:45] <Jucato> it will be 11 by the time KDE 4 comes up :)
[07:45] <Tired_> mpeg-2 will never improve
[07:46] <Arwen> MPEG-1/2 will always be MPEG-1/2... it's reached its limit, let it die
[07:46] <Doctor_Nick> I'll improve you!
[07:46] <sonoftheclayr> Arwen: get rid of cd's too? and books? and hell, while we're at it lets get rid of usb and ethernet
[07:46] <Jucato> terapicodave: hm... you'd have to install kcontrol I think. let me check if there's a config file you can edit
[07:46] <dennister> to me dvd is just a media...not like a protocol ...heck, cd's are older than dvd's, but still in use and much smaller for storage
[07:47] <Tired_> does anything in kubuntu play hd-dvd yet?
[07:47] <Arwen> sonoftheclayr, yes please.....
[07:47] <terapicodave> thanks
[07:47] <Arwen> CDs need to die.... Books are unbeatable for physical text, and USB is inherently flaws
[07:47] <Jucato> Arwen: also not all countries have the luxury of having switched fully to the DVD culture
[07:47] <Noldoaran> 2. What does "enable Launch feedback" mean in kmenuedit? The help just doesn't help..
[07:47] <Jucato> anyway, quite !offtopic now
[07:47] <Arwen> Jucato, eh?
[07:48] <Arwen> yes, but it's past midnight, we can afford to be offtopic
[07:48] <Jucato> only in your place :)
[07:48] <Lynoure> For reference texts, ascii on CD is much nicer for me than 3kg of books
[07:48] <sonoftheclayr> past midnight! it's nearly 4 in the arvo
[07:48] <dennister> only past midnight in some parts of the world
[07:48] <Noldoaran> heh, it's 10:47 here
[07:48] <dennister> 1:48 in toronto
[07:48] <Arwen> Lynoure, reading text off a screen hurts mine eyes... Just my 2 cents though
[07:48] <Jucato> Noldoaran: Launch Feedback = bouncing (or flashing) cursor when you launch an app
[07:49] <Lynoure> Arwen: aren't 2 cents usually advice?
[07:49] <Jucato> Arwen: adjust your monitor or color scheme. that's what hurts your eyes too :)
[07:49] <Jucato> Lynoure: yep :)
[07:49] <ubuntu__> ReiserFS is better
[07:49] <Arwen> Jucato, meh, it's the glare
[07:49] <Jucato> $0.02... that's the worth of advice these days :)
[07:49] <Lynoure> Arwen: mine too, if I have too low or too high contrast, but only then. I guess I'm lucky.
[07:49] <Arwen> ubuntu__,data loss
[07:49] <ubuntu__> but it 'consumes' more the CPU
[07:49] <ubuntu__> at least 7%
[07:49] <dennister> for me it's my cataracts...lol...can't wait for my surgery...wild when going blind is actually a good thing
[07:50] <dennister> i'll have better eyesight than i've had since i was six years old...no more coke bottle glasses
[07:50] <Noldoaran> Tired_: I am pretty sure there is no app to play HD-DVD/Blu-Rey yet...
[07:50] <Tired_> :/
[07:51] <Arwen> Blu-Ray will crash and burn :-\
[07:51] <dennister> Noldoaran: i think there is actually...saw it in the feisty community docs
[07:51] <Tired_> oh, is launch feedback the little bouncing ball?
[07:51] <Jucato> terapicodave: I think I found it. ~/.kde/share/config/ the kdeglobals file
[07:51] <Noldoaran> dennister: ok, I look around
[07:51] <terapicodave> ok i'll check it out
[07:52] <dennister> well i'm gonna try to do some reading and hit the sack...night boys
[07:52] <Jucato> terapicodave: in that file, under the [General]  heading, add this line: BrowserApplication=!firefox
[07:52] <Tired_> gnight denni
[07:52] <Noldoaran> Tired_: yes, that seems to be it, thanks!
[07:52] <anon32> I know for a fact that ACCS is cr4ck3d so Blu-Ray should be playable now
[07:53] <Tired_> maybe, but playable in real-time?
[07:53] <Noldoaran> any one know wher the kmenu config file are?
[07:53] <anon32> Tired_, true
[07:54] <Tired_> i remember trying to play dvds on a 266 mhz
[07:54] <icecruncher> Noldoaran, maybe in ~/,kde somewhere
[07:54] <Jucato> Noldoaran: the main menu implementations are a bit more complicated than simply copying a config file...
[07:54] <Noldoaran> Jucato: grr.. ok, do you know what it involves?
[07:55] <icecruncher> anyone know how to enable 3D?
[07:55] <Jucato> Noldoaran: but the general location would be ~/.config/menus/
[07:55] <anon32> icecruncher, what card?
[07:55] <Noldoaran> icecruncher: I looked in there and couldn't find it
[07:55] <terapicodave> I did that...guess I need to restart something
[07:55] <icecruncher> anon32: ati
[07:55] <anon32> icecruncher, model?
[07:55] <icecruncher> just a sec
[07:56] <Jucato> Noldoaran: that's for user-specific kmenu layout. the system-wide one is in /etc/xdg/config/menus/ I think
[07:56] <icecruncher> anon32: 9200 SE
[07:56] <Noldoaran> Jucato: ok thanks
[07:57] <anon32> icecruncher, err.... that should be working out of the box
[07:57] <Jucato> Noldoaran: er make that /etc/xdg/menus
[07:58] <icecruncher> anon32, do you have to eable it ?
[07:58] <anon32> icecruncher, no? just choose "ati" as your driver in xorg.conf
[07:58] <Jucato> !ati
[07:58] <anon32> icecruncher, oh, btw, you sound like you need a new video card :-)
[07:59] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:59] <icecruncher> anon32: err in etc ?
[07:59] <anon32> icecruncher, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:59] <anon32> under device, just set the driver to "ati"
[07:59] <anon32> or "radeon"
[07:59] <anon32> doesn't matter which
[07:59] <Jucato> ati has 3D hardware acceleration working out of the box?
[07:59] <anon32> Jucato, for 9200SE? yes...
[07:59] <Jucato> wow
[07:59] <icecruncher> anon32; got no cash :)
[08:00] <anon32> icecruncher, I can hook you up with a 7600GT for $80, lol
[08:00] <icecruncher> lol
[08:00] <init2null> can someone help me set up my new widescreen monitor?
[08:01] <icecruncher> I'm in for a new machine, running a P2 celeron.
[08:01] <icecruncher> currently
[08:01] <init2null> i did the dpkg-reconfigure and i got kdm to the right res, but the desktop goes back to 1024x768
[08:02] <anon32> icecruncher, lol, you don't need a 7600 then :-)
[08:02] <icecruncher> no
[08:02] <anon32> init2null, ...enter xorg.conf, under the screen section, just type in the one you want
[08:04] <init2null> anon32, the subsections are all 1440x900
[08:04] <anon32> init2null, looks like you need 915resolution then
[08:04] <anon32> btw, widescreen = fail
[08:05] <init2null> i would have preferred 1600x1200, fwiw
[08:06] <anon32> init2null, same, my LCD is a cheap one and only 1280x1024 though
[08:06] <init2null> anon32, i installed 915resolution, but it says it only works with intel 800/900 chipsets
[08:07] <init2null> i have an nvidia card
[08:07] <anon32> init2null, ...didn't you say Intel a few lines up?
[08:07] <init2null> nope
[08:07] <Jucato> !away > bruno_
[08:07] <anon32> well, have fun with your nvidia config then...
[08:08] <init2null> would the scanlines from the windows driver inf file help?
[08:09] <the_hammer> im using fiesty 7.04 finnal and having some problems with kcontrol
[08:09] <the_hammer> when i click on the monitor in there and try to goto admin mode it says loading but i dont get the box with the pw
[08:09] <the_hammer> like im supposed to
[08:09] <the_hammer> how to fix that?
[08:10] <the_hammer> fiesty sure lives upto its name boy oh boy all i do is fight with it
[08:10] <the_hammer> anyone able to help me ?
[08:12] <the_hammer> wonderfull i come on and im talking to myself
[08:12] <init2null> hammer, it does that for me too, but I don't know why
[08:12] <init2null> maybe kde's monitor config isn't supported
[08:13] <the_hammer> is it just me or does the beta seem better then the finnal
[08:13] <the_hammer> i never had any problems with the beta
[08:13] <the_hammer> the finnal is a different story
[08:13] <icecruncher> the_hammer: worse, i like the final
[08:14] <the_hammer> half ass tempted to go back to old mepis
[08:15] <the_hammer> old packages but at least everything works
[08:15] <Simeon_H> MEPIS :D
[08:15] <Simeon_H> I miss mepis
[08:15] <the_hammer> im starting to miss it myself lol
[08:16] <anon32> !mepis
[08:16] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[08:16] <anon32> ?
[08:16] <Simeon_H> ok
[08:16] <the_hammer> Fedora uses rpms
[08:16] <Simeon_H> I just ordered feisty CD's