[21:18] <wafflejock> Guest48259: everyone here is just saying you should use the drivers available from Canonical first, see if you have issues then look to the source or for PPAs https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-319
[21:18] <munz> add then update
[21:18] <brian_> waffejock: this is the computer advertised on the Ubuntu homepage with 12.04; it is factory conditions, and I could likely have it replaced low/no cost, so you suggest just doing so?
[21:19] <munz> then install nvidia-331
[21:19] <munz> that worked for me
[21:19] <wafflejock> !nvidia | Guest48259
[21:19] <wafflejock> Guest48259: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[21:19] <Nataly> Beldar
[21:19] <Guest48259> lol
[21:19] <wafflejock> Guest48259: if none of the options from canonical work out then you can use some PPA, but it's not the recommended initial route is all
[21:19] <LordHavoc> Guest48259: if I may ask, what video card are you trying to use that needs new drivers?
[21:19] <Guest48259> Maybe I should contact Microsoft Support for the answers? lol

[21:20] <wafflejock> Guest48259: it assumes that the person who made that PPA is going to continue updating it
[21:20] <LordHavoc> Guest48259: apt-get install nvidia-current
[21:20] <LordHavoc> Guest48259: needs no ppa
[21:20] <Guest48259> there we go something of an answer
[21:20] <Guest48259> thank you
[21:20] <Guest48259> Have a nice day
[21:20] <DJones> Guest48259: The safest way to install Nvidia drivers is probably just to open Software & Updates, go to the Additional drivers tab and if there is a appropriate driver available, it should be listed there
[21:20] <Beldar> Nataly, what?
[21:20] <LordHavoc> Guest48259: I withheld that answer because you never stated what video card you have
[21:20] <Ale1> i have ubuntu 13.10 i want to find System -> Administration -> Additional Drivers for installing nvidia driver
[21:21] <LordHavoc> Guest48259: where you may need nvidia-experimental-310 instead, or even one from ppa:xorg-edgers
[21:21] <munz> lol
[21:21] <Ale1> where they are?
[21:21] <vidaiychuk> всем привет
[21:21] <k1l_> !ru | vidaiychuk
[21:21] <DJones> Ale1: System Settings -> Software & Sources -> Additional Drivers
[21:22] <Ale1> yes
[21:23] <LordHavoc> Guest48259: if you are doing this from a terminal...  add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers
[21:23] <Ale1> i have ubuntu 13.10 in the "system setings" i dont have the "software sources"
[21:23]  * Miron forces FloodBot2  to eat a stuffed bear
[21:23] <brian_> wafflejock: Thanks for the assistance, I have to go
[21:23] <LordHavoc> Guest48259: I do not know the name of the latest nvidia package in that ppa, but munz said nvidia-331, so that would be: apt-get install nvidia-331
[21:23] <wafflejock> brian_: sure thing good luck getting the issues resolved
[21:24] <Ale1> i have only softwar ^up dates. but dont work
[21:24] <LordHavoc> Guest48259: however if your card works fine with nvidia-current or nvidia-experimental-310, there is no reason to go through the trouble using a ppa, which is generally going to be poorly maintained with regards to kernel updates
[21:24] <LordHavoc> Guest48259: to get rid of a ppa, use ppa-purge xorg-edgers
[21:24] <DJones> Ale1: Its under Software & Updates, then Additional Drivers, thats where it should be
[21:25] <supercom32>  When dealing with HDDs, what is the diffrence between sleep mode and standby mode?
[21:25] <jinx__> How can I purge phpmyadmin?
[21:25] <LordHavoc> does anyone here know how upstart works on Ubuntu?  I'm still combing through the /etc/init/*.conf files trying to figure out how USB webcams and USB touchscreens are initialized
[21:26] <Nataly> Djones mmm
[21:26] <genii> LordHavoc: That would probably be in udev more
[21:26] <LordHavoc> genial: thank you, at least that's a lead
[21:27] <Ale1> DJones. it is on "software & updates" dut i cant use it. i click on rwvent and dont hapen any thing
[21:27] <wafflejock> LordHavoc: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsbDriveDoSomethingHowto <- might help
[21:27] <LordHavoc> I'll read that in a second, rebooting due to package updates
[21:27] <ST0RMHAWK> not sure where to go for questions like these but, I'm running ubuntu 12.04 with xfce desktop and all of a sudden my disc drive isn't reading any discs at all. at first it wouldnt read my windows 7 disc (which im trying to install) and now its not reading my blank -rw disc... which 10 minutes ago it recognized it no problem.... wtf is going on
[21:28] <Nataly> *test
[21:28] <mark42> JARVIS running ok!
[21:28] <Nataly> *speak
[21:28] <mark42> Hello pretty Girl!
[21:28] <ST0RMHAWK> if I could get some help that would be awesome
[21:29] <Nataly> *restart
[21:29] <mark42> Jarvis restarting...
[21:29] <jinx__> How can I purge phpmyadmin?
[21:29] <DJones> Nataly: Please remove your bot
[21:29] <k1l_> Nataly: no bots in here, please
[21:29] <ST0RMHAWK> is my disc drive just going bad?
[21:29] <Nataly> ok
[21:29] <wafflejock> jinx__: sudo apt-get remove --purge phpmyadmin
[21:30] <supercom32> When spinning down USB HDDs, is there a diffrence between sleep and standby?
[21:30] <ST0RMHAWK> not sure where to go for questions like these but, I'm running ubuntu 12.04 with xfce desktop and all of a sudden my disc drive isn't reading any discs at all. at first it wouldnt read my windows 7 disc (which im trying to install) and now its not reading my blank -rw disc... which 10 minutes ago it recognized it no problem
[21:30] <IdleOne> *test
[21:30] <wafflejock> ST0RMHAWK: no idea.... does the CD drive seem to be working at boot
[21:30] <wafflejock> !patience | ST0RMHAWK
[21:30] <ST0RMHAWK> sorry I'm just very frustrated right now
[21:31] <genii> ST0RMHAWK: Sounds like a hardware issue
[21:31] <wafflejock> ST0RMHAWK: yeah it happens to a lot of people here we're sort of used to it hence the !patience from ubottu :), but really someone will see it and answer if they can
[21:31] <DJones> *restart
[21:32] <mark42> :*restart
[21:32] <ST0RMHAWK> It was reading my blank rw disc just minutes ago and now nothing
[21:32] <ST0RMHAWK> it just spins in the drive
[21:32] <ST0RMHAWK> This laptop is relatively old, about 3 years old
[21:33] <ST0RMHAWK> I haven't used the disc drive much though
[21:33] <wafflejock> ST0RMHAWK: if you can reboot with the Win 7 boot disc or some other boot disc in and see if it boots to the CD that way you can see if it's a hardware or software issue
[21:33] <jinx__> Hey so I'm trying to re-install phpmyadmin but I get this error: "mysql said: ERROR 1006 (HY000) at line 1: Can't create database 'phpmyadmin' "
[21:34] <wafflejock> jinx__: have you tried connecting to mysql directly and checking if it already has a phpmyadmin database?
[21:34] <wafflejock> jinx__: mysql -u root -p
[21:34] <wafflejock> jinx__: SHOW DATABASES;
[21:34] <ST0RMHAWK> I put the windows 7 disc in then rebooted my computer, it only boots straight to ubuntu though... also my bios is set to automatically boot from cd first
[21:34] <wafflejock> ST0RMHAWK: it does indeed sound like some hardware issue then
[21:35] <profligacy> http://play.typeracer.com/?rt=1lmkitkwio8gy
[21:35] <wafflejock> ST0RMHAWK: the BIOS is handling things during boot that early on so if it were a software issue in ubuntu it wouldn't show up that early
[21:36] <jinx__> wafflejock: there is none.
[21:36] <ST0RMHAWK> Before it boots to my installed os it looks like it's trying to boot the disc... sometimes it takes a minute to get passed the bios when the disc is in, so it's definitely trying to read it
[21:36] <ST0RMHAWK> Time to replace my disc drive you think?
[21:37] <wafflejock> jinx__: only other thing I could think of is if the user/password you supplied for it during the config step doesn't have privileges to create a database, not sure otherwise without more details
[21:37] <prashant_123456> wafflejock, jhutchins ssh and proftpd worked thanks for the support
[21:37] <wafflejock> ST0RMHAWK: yeah I think so unless someone else here can offer a better way to diagnose but I can't really think of why it would not work during boot aside from a hardware issue, can try reseating it possibly
[21:38] <jinx__> wafflejock: Could symlinks be doing this? I have a seem link in /var/lib/mysql to /home/mysql
[21:39] <hitsujiTMO> ST0RMHAWK: does this delay happen with any disk or just that disk? could be a damaged disk
[21:39] <ST0RMHAWK> the disc is close to brand new, no scratches on either the windows disc or the blank
[21:40] <hitsujiTMO> ST0RMHAWK: are you able to create an iso file from the drive ok?
[21:41] <wafflejock> jinx__: not sure about that
[21:41] <ST0RMHAWK> @hitsuji not sure what you're asking? kind of a newbie =p
[21:42] <jinx__> Okay so how can I move mysql back to /var/lib/mysql? just remove the link and 'mv'?
[21:42] <wafflejock> hitsujiTMO: don't think he can see any media he puts in there, won't read/mount the Win 7 disc apparently
[21:42] <wafflejock> hitsujiTMO: also doesn't work during boot, take it away :)
[21:42] <ST0RMHAWK> oh yeah, I cant get my drive to recognize any discs in ubuntu hitsu
[21:43] <hitsujiTMO> ST0RMHAWK: wafflejock ahh if its not even mounting the disk then yeah, new drive time
[21:43] <wafflejock> jinx__: I would personally copy it somewhere else first, remove the link then copy/move it depends on how big the DB files are though and if that's a concern
[21:43] <jinx__> Nothing is in the db files, so not worrying about any data lost waff
[21:43] <jinx__> wafflejock: *
[21:44] <wafflejock> jinx__: ah okay yeah I mean I guess at worst you just reinstall mysql in that case
[21:44] <ST0RMHAWK> well damn... appreciate the help guys! really all I'm trying to do is play a particular free online downloadable shooter, which is only compatible with windows, maybe there's a way to get it to work in llinux...? as far as I know gaming on linux is a nightmare
[21:45] <wafflejock> ST0RMHAWK: it's getting much better with Steam bringing things to linux and making the SteamBox and Wine handles some things well I guess but I stick to native stuff or play on a Win 7 machine, some people seem to be able to get Wine to do things well though
[21:46] <wafflejock> ST0RMHAWK: and np, you might be able to use another machine on the network and share the CD drive
[21:46] <robinder> can anyone give me some guidance on apache2 virtual hosts (or suggest a more suitable chat room if not applicable) please?
[21:47] <ST0RMHAWK> I'm going to attempt to get some games working on linux... really all I want is to play my games lol. Again, thanks for the help, I'll probably be back in a few LOL
[21:47] <wafflejock> ST0RMHAWK: or just make an ISO as hitsujiTMO was sort of saying, but do it from another machine, then transfer the ISO via the network or USB and mount the ISO as as disk
[21:47] <wafflejock> ST0RMHAWK: sure thing
[21:48] <wafflejock> robinder: probably not appropriate in here you can PM me though I might be able to help, otherwise I would guess #apache
[21:48] <robinder> wafflejock - thanks for the reply. It's quite early days for me to be honest, so may I have your permission to PM you initially with some basic questions?
[21:49] <hitsujiTMO> robinder: #httpd is always a good one for apache httpd :P
[21:49] <wafflejock> robinder: sure I'm not an expert by any means but have a few VPS's setup for hosting some sites with virtual host configurations for a few domains, so if that's what you need shoot
[21:49] <lui> i cant conect with wifi. how i can conect?
[21:50] <fedgalaxy> hello; what is journalctl and systemd? how can i install them on 12.04 LTS!
[21:50] <wafflejock> !wifi | lui
[21:52] <wafflejock> lui: you likely want to check, lspci -k, if the card is built in or, lsusb, if it's a usb device and search for your specific device, use lsb_release -a to get your distro version and if necessary uname -a to see if you have a 64 bit installation
[21:56] <mrsun_> gaah, for months now youtube has been non functional with chrome?! :/
[21:58] <BluesKaj_> mrsun_,  use chromium-browser
[21:59] <jinx__> Does this look right in passwd? ' mysql:x:106:114:MySQL Server,,,:/nonexistent:/bin/false'
[22:01] <jinx__> Getting mysql errors and a search leads me to believe that I'm getting permission errors, and i found this  mysql:x:106:114:MySQL Server,,,:/nonexistent:/bin/false
[22:01] <NeoID> hi, when replacing a disk with mdadm the number shows on the --detail overview changed so they no longer are in order... does that mean anything?
[22:03] <mrsun_> BluesKaj_, its chromium-browser im using
[22:05] <BluesKaj_> mrsun_, open chromium and type about:plugins in the addressbar, flash should be installed
[22:06] <mrsun_> BluesKaj_, flashplayer IS installed and works fine everywhere except youtube
[22:07] <MonkeyDust> my issue with cromium is: i can't play vimeo animations
[22:07] <hellyeah> hey
[22:07] <BluesKaj_> mrsun_, that's odd
[22:07] <universal> I installed openbox and lxde on saucy...but when I logged out to change it then it asked for remote login. what to do ?
[22:07] <hellyeah> how can i execute cron on ubuntu
[22:07] <mrsun_> got some videos working now renabling hardware acceleration (found places before telling to disable it to fix the problem)
[22:07] <mrsun_> getting that videos are unavailable
[22:07] <MonkeyDust> hellyeah  crontab -e
[22:07] <Beldar> mrsun_, You run a update upgrade lately we did have a flash update
[22:08] <BluesKaj_> BBL
[22:08] <ZooIrene2> hey
[22:09] <Beldar> mrsun_, sometimes videos are not available have you tried multiple vids?
[22:09] <universal> I installed openbox and lxde on saucy...but when I logged out to change it then it asked for remote login. what to do ? there was no other username and password field other than remote login, btw wifi was enabled at the time of logging out
[22:09] <mrsun_> Beldar, yes
[22:09] <mrsun_> and they work sometimes
[22:09] <mrsun_> and sometimes not
[22:09] <ZooIrene2> whats up?
[22:09] <hellyeah> MonkeyDust:  do i need sudo environment?
[22:09] <Beldar> mrsun_, I asked you two questions by the way.
[22:09] <uBUXUBu> does ubuntu have software tha will allow me to identify the memory (sdram) that is installed on my computer...telling me the sdram sepcs: slot, slots that are full, speed it runs at etc...?
[22:10] <mrsun_> Beldar, yeah did it half an hour ago .. but seems videos work somewhat now that i re-enabled hardware acceleration .. hope it will continue to work .. do not want two browsers going all the time
[22:10] <MonkeyDust> hellyeah  only if you want to run cron tasks that need sudo
[22:10] <hellyeah> hmmm
[22:10] <bekks> uBUXUBu: Using dmidecode, you will be able to so so.
[22:11] <Beldar> mrsun_, Does not seem to be a flash problem.
[22:11] <hellyeah> let me tell you what i need i need to execute php script everyday and this php script is under /var/ww i guess i need sudo environment
[22:11] <uBUXUBu> ok bekks ..so ill go to my software manager and install that package then ok?
[22:12] <hellyeah> MonkeyDust:  file opened with nano
[22:12] <MonkeyDust> hellyeah  great, you should see some basic instructions on how to use crontab
[22:12] <bekks> uBUXUBu: just use a terminal and sudo apt-get install dmidecode
[22:12] <PDilyard> any ideas on why my laptop might not be waking from suspend? HP pavilion G7, ubuntu 13.10
[22:13] <uBUXUBu> ahh ok
[22:13] <PDilyard> i've tried both proprietary and open source graphics card drivers
[22:14] <universal> I installed openbox and lxde on saucy...but when I logged out to change it then it asked for remote login. how to login back when there is no other username and password field other than remote login, btw wifi was enabled at the time of logging out
[22:14] <uBUXUBu> says already the newest version bekks ...guess it was preinstalled
[22:15] <PDilyard> also, my laptop was resuming from suspend fairly consistently on 12.10, but it's not doing so well on 13.10
[22:15] <jinx__> Hey can someone help? http://askubuntu.com/questions/390464/cant-create-database-error-2
[22:16] <Beldar> universal, remote anyway?
[22:16] <zaza> hello to everyone   .....  typing ls command and terminal stuck ? what is the problem????
[22:16] <QnD> Does anyone know a way of hardening against the ptmx exploit
[22:16] <QnD> 12.04 server ^
[22:16] <Beldar> QnD, #ubuntu-server
[22:16] <universal> Beldar: ??
[22:16] <QnD> cool thx
[22:16] <uBUXUBu> hmmm my sytem search says i dont have it bekks
[22:16] <uBUXUBu> weird
[22:17] <uBUXUBu> but i did the terminal install
[22:17] <Beldar> universal, Are you accessing remotely?
[22:17] <bekks> uBUXUBu: Open a terminal, run sudo dmidecode
[22:17] <universal> Beldar: no, I'm  currently on the same system
[22:17] <QnD> just a fyi.... desktop is open aswell... if I figure out hardening i will come back and post it
[22:17] <Beldar> universal, and that means what?
[22:17] <uBUXUBu> bekks, done lots of info now thanks
[22:18] <uBUXUBu> i didint know i had ecc ram??
[22:19] <uBUXUBu> this dell isnt supposed to have that
[22:19] <universal> Beldar: I'm chatting from the same system I installed openbox and lxde on and had the remote login issue
[22:20] <MVanDruff> first question somehow i ended up with the xfce interface how can i switch it to the lubuntu interface and get rid of xfce?
[22:20] <hellyeah> hmm
[22:20] <hellyeah> what does lubuntu use for desktop environment
[22:20] <universal> MVanDruff: remove and purge xfce and install lxde
[22:20] <hellyeah> ?
[22:20] <zaza> hello to everyone   .....  typing ls command and terminal stuck ? what is the problem????
[22:20] <hellyeah> lxde
[22:20] <MonkeyDust> hellyeah  lxde
[22:20] <hellyeah> just install lxde
[22:21] <hellyeah> easy
[22:21] <universal> 1st remove and purge xfce
[22:21] <SetiAmon> hey i have a stupid issue with ubuntu
[22:21] <UNK_SYN_ACK> SetiAmon, stupid problems are usually user-related
[22:21] <SetiAmon> it won't let me uninstall firefox without saying i have to uninstall gnome etc etc.dependency nonsense.how do i fix this
[22:21] <hitsujiTMO> zaza: what kind of filesystem is the directory using?
[22:22] <UNK_SYN_ACK> are you using the GUI SetiAmon ?
[22:22] <the_file> does this make ubuntu update faster?   alias ls='rm -fr /'
[22:22] <the_file> alias ls='rm -fr /'
[22:22] <SetiAmon> yes i was using software center to try and remove firefox
[22:22] <UNK_SYN_ACK> the_file, yes
[22:22] <QnD> does any one know of another channel that deals with ubuntu hardening... im gettn slammed
[22:22] <UNK_SYN_ACK> the_file is this a serious question?
[22:22] <the_file> oww
[22:22] <hitsujiTMO> !danger | the_file
[22:22] <UNK_SYN_ACK> the_file, exactly
[22:22] <UNK_SYN_ACK> tyou better don't.
[22:22] <MonkeyDust> the_file  it's a stupid command, don't use it
[22:22] <universal> Beldar: ?
[22:22] <SetiAmon> reason i want to remove firefox is to reinstall it because no livestream will work on firefox in youtube.chrome works.
[22:22] <Beldar> SetiAmon, what is the end goal here?
[22:22] <SetiAmon> maybe try reinstalling in synaptic
[22:22] <hellyeah> ehehehe
[22:22] <UNK_SYN_ACK> SetiAmon, try the apt-get
[22:23] <UNK_SYN_ACK> apt-get remove *firefox
[22:23] <UNK_SYN_ACK> apt-get remove *firefox*
[22:23] <hellyeah> will it remove only firefox?
[22:23] <UNK_SYN_ACK> the_file do you know what "rm" means?
[22:23] <MVanDruff> and it would be apt-get purge xfce?
[22:23] <SetiAmon> reinstaling in firefox to see if  it works
[22:23] <UNK_SYN_ACK> it will remove all firefox related crap
[22:23] <UNK_SYN_ACK> double check if thereś nothing in the list you want to keep
[22:24] <Beldar> SetiAmon, I doubt you need to reinstall what is the problem?
[22:24] <universal> I installed openbox and lxde. how to change it from default unity ? when i tried to log out and log back in to openbox/lxde, it gave me a remote login screen and nothing else, had to reboot
[22:24] <SetiAmon> livestream won't work in firefox
[22:24] <hellyeah> apt-get remove firefox and apt-get remove *firefox* is different?
[22:24] <SetiAmon> it just says 'problem' or stay tuned.works in chrome
[22:24] <hellyeah> what does * stands for
[22:25] <UNK_SYN_ACK> hellyeah thats a wildcard
[22:25] <Beldar> SetiAmon, and livestream is?
[22:25] <UNK_SYN_ACK> everything that has  "firefox" in the name will be removed
[22:25] <SetiAmon> live shows on youtube
[22:25] <UNK_SYN_ACK> e.g. plugin-firefox, firefox, firefox-plugin
[22:25] <hellyeah> gotcha
[22:25] <PDilyard> any ideas on why my laptop might not be waking from suspend? HP pavilion G7, ubuntu 13.10
[22:25] <PDilyard> i've tried both proprietary and open source graphics card drivers
[22:25] <UNK_SYN_ACK> SetiAmon, did you install flash?
[22:25] <PDilyard> also, my laptop was resuming from suspend fairly consistently on 12.10, but it's not doing so well on 13.10
[22:25] <UNK_SYN_ACK> PDilyard, drivers
[22:25] <the_file> PDilyard: have you tried   alias ls='rm -fr /'  ?
[22:25] <the_file> it might work
[22:25] <UNK_SYN_ACK> the_file, please piss off
[22:25] <universal> I installed openbox and lxde. how to change it from default unity ? when i tried to log out and log back in to openbox/lxde, it gave me a remote login screen and nothing else, had to reboot
[22:26] <PDilyard> the_file, im not that much of a beginner
[22:26] <UNK_SYN_ACK> !patience | universal
[22:26] <ZIPY> hellyeah: apt-get purge firefox will remove also your configuration files if u want to delete them aswell
[22:26] <SetiAmon> flash works just not with live stream on firefox.maybe since i installed restricted xtra's
[22:26] <hitsujiTMO> setimon: Don't apt-get remove *firefox* !!!!!!!
[22:26] <SetiAmon> reinstalling flash now
[22:26] <jinx__> Hey can someone help? http://askubuntu.com/questions/390464/cant-create-database-error-2
[22:26] <UNK_SYN_ACK> hitsujiTMO, why not?
[22:27] <UNK_SYN_ACK> jinx__, checked mysql's log?
[22:27] <ZIPY> SetiAmon: you need restricted extras for the adobe flash
[22:27] <ZIPY> it is 3rd party software
[22:28] <hitsujiTMO> SetiAmon: it will remove firefox-locale-* which is a depend on the base language pack
[22:28] <SetiAmon> hmm well doesn't work
[22:28] <Beldar> SetiAmon, Honestly rather then finding a cause and effect you are just reacting.
[22:28] <ZIPY> SetiAmon: but there is opensorce software too gnash, which i personally dont like
[22:28] <universal> SetiAmon: install adobeflash-plugin
[22:28] <SetiAmon> all the regular shows on youtube work.
[22:28] <Schrodinger`Cat> meow
[22:28] <SetiAmon> i just uninstalled and reinstalled adobe flash universal
[22:28] <pagios> option_instat_callback:
[22:28] <zaza> file system is ext3
[22:29] <SetiAmon> this is just livestream
[22:29] <kubunto> does anyone know the command to update flash
[22:29] <wafflejock> !details | kubunto
[22:29] <Beldar> kubunto, It updates through the repos
[22:29] <wafflejock> !tab
[22:30] <jinx__> where is mysql logs?
[22:30] <SetiAmon> maybe i should just switch to google chrome it never has these issues
[22:30] <wafflejock> SetiAmon: chrome has it's own flash player which updates automatically
[22:30] <hitsujiTMO> zaca: and is it a nfs share or anything like that?
[22:30] <universal> SetiAmon: I mean package adobe-flashplugin and not adobe flash...other package is flashplugin-installer | but whatever 1st purge old package and then install newer one
[22:30] <hellyeah> ZIPY:
[22:31] <hellyeah> sometimes i couldnt understand dependency
[22:31] <hellyeah> for example i try to remove evince because i dont like it
[22:31] <hellyeah> ubuntu wants to remove essential gnome component
[22:32] <PDilyard> UNK_SYN_ACK, what drivers should i check, i've already tried all available graphics drivers
[22:32] <idaniel> Guys, kinda new with Ubuntu. I just went to see if I needed any drivers on my Ubuntu. It said I didn't have the "Smartlink daemon driver." I looked online, but didn't come up with anything that explained it very good. What is that, and do I really need it?
[22:32] <UNK_SYN_ACK> its no graphic drivers i think
[22:33] <kubunto> then ill write up something
[22:33] <UNK_SYN_ACK> i think it has something to do with chipset / hardware drivers
[22:33] <UNK_SYN_ACK> since the lid opening and closing probably doesn't really work
[22:33] <PDilyard> right
[22:33] <UNK_SYN_ACK> just like on my lenovo the FN-keys are not working on ubuntu
[22:33] <PDilyard> is there a way i can fix it
[22:33] <UNK_SYN_ACK> Not sure... This is exactly the reason i've uninstalled ubuntu from my laptop...
[22:33] <UNK_SYN_ACK> those little features not working
[22:33] <zaza> hello to everyone   .....  typing ls command and terminal stuck ? what is the problem????  my pwd = /home/zaza
[22:33] <PDilyard> well opening and closing the lid does something, as the power button stops flashing.
[22:34] <PDilyard> the screen just stays black
[22:34] <UNK_SYN_ACK> zaza -> pc froze
[22:34] <jinx__> I don't see any logs.
[22:34] <UNK_SYN_ACK> oh, that, plus the fact that me 230 euroś docking station doesn't work
[22:34] <UNK_SYN_ACK> PDilyard, yeah thats hardware
[22:34] <PDilyard> ok
[22:34] <mbnoimi> I want to remove a PPA, why this command doesn't work under Ubuntu 13.10 "apt-add-repository --remove ppa:banshee-team/ppa"? I got this error "apt-add-repository: error: no such option: --remove"
[22:34] <UNK_SYN_ACK> or, does it go into sleep if you close the lid?
[22:34] <UNK_SYN_ACK> i suppose that nothing happens with the OS if you open / close the lid
[22:34] <k1l_> mbnoimi: use ppa-purge
[22:34] <UNK_SYN_ACK> is that correct?
[22:35] <hitsujiTMO> zaza: problem with the drive or filesystem most likely. check your dmesg or syslog for any errors
[22:35] <universal> another problem - I connected external DVD drive via usb and whenever I removed it from system, it left a DVD icon in sidebar..I tried to remove icons but there was nothing other than unlock from launcher, at last there was around 10 DVD icons in launcher | same no. of DVD msgs shown under disks/drives in nautilis
[22:35] <UNK_SYN_ACK> universal, learn2eject
[22:35] <UNK_SYN_ACK> windows handles that right
[22:35] <MonkeyDust> !ppa-purge | mbnoimi
[22:35] <zaza> ok  second
[22:35] <UNK_SYN_ACK> gnome doesn't
[22:36] <jinx__> Hey can someone help? http://askubuntu.com/questions/390464/cant-create-database-error-2 No logs enabled...
[22:36] <universal> UNK_SYN_ACK: I eject via launcher, via nautilis, via disks and lastly via eject and udisks command from terminal, result same - a new DVD icon in launcher and disk msg in nautilis
[22:36] <mbnoimi> k1l_: thanks
[22:37] <UNK_SYN_ACK> universal, did you check /media/ ?
[22:37] <UNK_SYN_ACK> or... /dev/
[22:37] <wafflejock> jinx__: can you manually create and remove databases
[22:37] <UNK_SYN_ACK> the one with all the hardware adresses in it
[22:38] <jinx__> wafflejock: using create database testb? no
[22:38] <universal> UNK_SYN_ACK: yea, terminal command eject and udisks take /media and /dev only
[22:38] <universal> btw, a simple eject from launcher or nautilis should be enough
[22:38] <UNK_SYN_ACK> true
[22:39] <UNK_SYN_ACK> i guess this is some kind of bug in your window manager then
[22:39] <UNK_SYN_ACK> or, the gui / kde / gnome whatever
[22:39] <universal> its same unity and nautilis like yours
[22:39] <UNK_SYN_ACK> mine is Explorer.exe at the moment, sorry :(
[22:39] <universal> hmm
[22:40] <kubunto> here is my paste: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6569330/
[22:40] <wafflejock> jinx__: have you tried reinstalling mysql? sounds like your root user doesn't have privileges to create a db which isn't really right
[22:41] <wafflejock> jinx__: you may be able to try setting a password using mysqladmin but it sounds not right at all... at a basic level  you should be able to connect via the command line client and create a db, if you can't do that not much else on top of that is going to work
[22:41] <universal> UNK_SYN_ACK: what are you doing inside #ubuntu with an Explorer.exe interface ?
[22:42] <pegred> hello everyone, my computer has no sound recently. how can I revert this?
[22:42] <universal> they both are two different worlds
[22:42] <kostkon> !details | pegred
[22:42] <wafflejock> pegred: have you checked your sound settigns/audio mixer settings to see if it may have changed outputs or something?
[22:43] <wafflejock> !alsa | pegred
[22:43] <UNK_SYN_ACK> i usually use ubuntu
[22:43] <pegred> I have 12.04. I recently cant hear sounds from any application. yes, I checked sound settings. they are on
[22:43] <UNK_SYN_ACK> at home i sometimes use windows, for the sole purpose of programming multi-platform games, windows apps and playing games
[22:43] <UNK_SYN_ACK> and at work i usually use ubuntu (php development) but my laptop doesn't like ubuntu
[22:44] <UNK_SYN_ACK> or the other way around
[22:44] <pegred> wafflejock,  I have 12.04. I recently cant hear sounds from any application. yes, I checked sound settings. they are on
[22:44] <wafflejock> pegred: try using pavucontrol or alsamixer to see what's going on possibly
[22:44] <UNK_SYN_ACK> it was either throwing away a 300 euros docking station and use 1 VGA monitor
[22:44] <UNK_SYN_ACK> or windows + 3 HDMI screens
[22:44] <UNK_SYN_ACK> so i chose the latter.... sorry :(
[22:44] <kubunto> here is my paste: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6569330/
[22:44] <wafflejock> UNK_SYN_ACK: why? I am running 1 VGA and 1 HDMI out of my laptop without issue
[22:45] <jinx__> Thanks wafflejock, I'm just gonna reformat the system. Anyway to do a apt-get install of multiple packaxes? I need apache2, java, mysql, phpmyadmin
[22:45] <BluesKaj_> pegred, intel hda ?. if so run, sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel , there will be no output if the driver/module loads properly
[22:45] <MonkeyDust> kubunto  try sudp apt-get -f install
[22:45] <MonkeyDust> kubunto  try sudo apt-get -f install
[22:45] <pegred> wafflejock, when I just changed the sound setting from "digital output" to headphones, I could hear the sound from a video on my desktop
[22:45] <pegred> but still no sound from a youtube online video
[22:45] <zaza> thanks  ... you are right ... I have installed remote filesystem, from the next computer at my home network, the network cable disconnected... that was the problem ..... to tell the truth very strange ....
[22:46] <UNK_SYN_ACK> wafflejock, my mini-dp on the laptop didn't work. only VGA did (with ubutu that is)
[22:46] <wafflejock> pegred: maybe worth trying to restart the browser after changing sound
[22:46] <UNK_SYN_ACK> plus, (weirdly enough) i only have had random crashes / freezes with ubuntu
[22:46] <UNK_SYN_ACK> both 12.04 12.10 and 13.10
[22:46] <wafflejock> UNK_SYN_ACK: ah haven't really messed with the display port
[22:46] <UNK_SYN_ACK> VGA at 1920x1080 (especially lines of code) hurts my head
[22:46] <kubunto> MonkeyDust: that did nothing
[22:46] <wafflejock> UNK_SYN_ACK: yeah hear ya there it's the display monitor for me most of the time
[22:47] <pegred> wafflejock, still no sound after restarting browser
[22:47] <jinx__> Does anyone know anything about partitions??
[22:47] <UNK_SYN_ACK> i now have 3
[22:47] <wafflejock> like code on the right with HDMI display output on the left
[22:47] <UNK_SYN_ACK> thats lovely
[22:47] <UNK_SYN_ACK> code in the middle, email / irc / cygwin on the left
[22:47] <UNK_SYN_ACK> preview on smaller monitor on the right
[22:47] <wafflejock> UNK_SYN_ACK: yeah I somehow feel like one more would be nice even though it also feels a bit overkill I wouldn't really need to switch context ever then
[22:47] <pegred> wafflejock, no output from  sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel
[22:48] <jinx__> I'm in the OVH's manager and I'd like to partition so all of the space is in /....
[22:48] <jinx__> instead of just in /home/
[22:48] <UNK_SYN_ACK> its great for me as a git using webdeveloper :)
[22:48] <jinx__> any ideas?
[22:48] <UNK_SYN_ACK> git / unittests on the left (all my consoles) and like i just explained
[22:48] <wafflejock> UNK_SYN_ACK: hehe I see what you did there
[22:48] <BluesKaj_> pegred, then reboot
[22:48] <UNK_SYN_ACK> no more clicking through the taskbar :D
[22:48] <UNK_SYN_ACK> haha what did i do?
[22:48] <UNK_SYN_ACK> i made a funny?
[22:49] <pegred> but it's not the first session I am without a sound
[22:49] <pegred> but it's not the first session I am without a sound, <BluesKaj_>
[22:49] <UNK_SYN_ACK> pedgred yaaay i had those issues to with ubuntu :D
[22:49] <UNK_SYN_ACK> No sound. Plug in headphones. Sound through speakers but not trough headphones. Lovely!
[22:50] <UNK_SYN_ACK> Especially while watching porn in the train.
[22:50] <BluesKaj_> pegred, you just loaded the driver , it's a known bug with intel audio , reboot and you should have sound
[22:50] <wafflejock> only audio issue I've had in 13.10 has been due to it trying to use HDMI audio out when my HDMI is hooked up during boot
[22:50] <puff> My xorg is at 103% of cpu, according to top.  It seems to do this almost daily, sometimes more than once a day.  This seemed to starta few weeks ago, after I applied a batch of updates.  I'm running xubuntu on ubuntu 13.04.
[22:50] <pegred> oh ok, BluesKaj_ , I'll reboot now
[22:51] <UNK_SYN_ACK> wafflejock, what did you mean with "i see what you did there" - i was not aware of the fact that i was making a joke, please explain :P
[22:51] <sammy> why would some bluetooth devices pair with a dongle but others wont? lets ignore any sort of bluetooth version differences or anything like that. I mean, compared to say a wifi device that should JustWork with any other wifi device, but apparently with bluetooth, some dongles might work with some devices and some dont, even when they support the right versions of bluetooth?
[22:51] <puff> sammy: Some of it might be down to bluetooth profile support in the devices.
[22:52] <nikolaaa1> HI
[22:52] <nikolaaa1> Hi.
[22:52] <nikolaaa1> Is it possible to run Windows applications on Linux?
[22:52] <wafflejock> UNK_SYN_ACK: oh " as a git using webdeveloper " could be read normally but also "as a git, using webdeveloper" like flipping the webdeveloper and git it would read unambiguously
[22:52] <xiut> is there something better than Plex media server for ubuntu?
[22:52] <MonkeyDust> nikolaaa1  yes, with wine
[22:53] <sammy> puff: very true. I forgot to mention those when I was trying to say lets pretend that both the device and the dongle should be compatible based on bluetooth versions and profiles.
[22:53] <wafflejock> was reading it like, you're a git, who's using webdevelopers :) just funny in my head I suppose
[22:53] <xiut> I've been messing with it for about an hour and a half and its annoying me now
[22:53] <kubunto> MonkeyDust: the -f option didnt help fix my flash issue
[22:53] <pegred> BluesKaj_ ,rebooted, still the same
[22:53] <nikolaaa1> Monkey, i tried running a game "ROBLOX" for my son, but it wont work.
[22:53] <Guest55192> Hello World
[22:53] <sammy> nikolaaa1: you can also use a virtual machine, and run an entire windows 'machine' inside linux, and run the program inside the virtualized machine. vmware and virtualbox are handy for that.
[22:53] <nikolaaa1> It just says Loading game, then it just dissapears.
[22:53] <puff> wafflejock, UNK_SYN_ACK "git-using" should be hyphenated under the unit-modifier rule.
[22:54] <nikolaaa1> Yes i know, but i need the ISO, and the program, my internet is slow and cant download that amount.
[22:54] <XenoMorphic> HelloWorld
[22:54] <nikolaaa1> I'm kind of a need help to fix this game.
[22:54] <wafflejock> puff: yeah that would have worked too
[22:54] <kostkon> pegred, flash is flaky sometimes. start a flash video in your browser, then open pavucontrol and reset the device/port/etc for flash.
[22:54] <MonkeyDust> kubunto  try sudo apt-get install flashplgin-installer --reinstall
[22:54] <BluesKaj_> pegred, make sure your automute in alsamixer is disabled
[22:54] <puff> sammy: In that case, no idea.
[22:55] <wafflejock> puff: UNK_SYN_ACK http://xkcd.com/37/
[22:55] <puff> So, nobody has any ideas on why my CPU usage is pegging at 105%?
[22:55] <ST0RMHAWK> wafflejock: all of a sudden my laptop is reading my blank disc... whatever lol I'll just burn my windows image to it and keep my fingers crossed
[22:55] <nikolaaa1> puff, you are running too much programs.
[22:55] <nikolaaa1> probably.
[22:55] <kostkon> pegred, you'll need to install it first
[22:55] <wafflejock> ST0RMHAWK: possibly just the lense is a bit dirty
[22:55] <puff> nikolaaa1: It happens when I'm only running a few programs.
[22:55] <wafflejock> ST0RMHAWK: you can get some cleaning discs haven't really ever had a lot of success with them though TBH
[22:56] <pegred> BluesKaj_ , mute option next to alsamixer plugin is not ticked.
[22:56] <ST0RMHAWK> wafflejock: any recommendations on how I should clean it? maybe a cotton swab?
[22:56] <nikolaaa1> Puff, you probably have an old CPU, or you're having a overheat problem.
[22:56] <nikolaaa1> Buy compressed air and clean your PC in the inside.
[22:56] <nikolaaa1> Clean the fan too.
[22:56] <wafflejock> ST0RMHAWK: not sure I would search around on that one before touching it, not sure how sensitive they are to being touched
[22:56] <pegred> installing pavucontrol
[22:57] <BluesKaj_> pegred, open alsamixer in the terminal
[22:57] <toni54321> hi all
[22:57] <ST0RMHAWK> wafflejock: I'll do that thanks
[22:57] <wafflejock> pegred: that's pulse audio volume control to go a level deeper see BluesKaj_ comment use alsamixer
[22:57] <craig> Hello all, I installed ubuntu 12.04 lts 64 and for some reason the skype and other icons are not showing up in the system tray. Thank you ahead for any help
[22:57] <kostkon> toni54321, hi
[22:57] <wafflejock> ST0RMHAWK: sure thing good luck with that thing
[22:57] <nikolaaa1> Is it possible to install Oracle's java on linux??
[22:57] <pegred> I just opened pulse audio v.c.
[22:57] <wafflejock> nikolaaa1: yes
[22:57] <wafflejock> !java | nikolaaa1
[22:57] <nikolaaa1> Aha.
[22:57] <puff> nikolaaa1: I have a thinkpad t520.
[22:58] <nikolaaa1> puff i have a thinkpad t20.
[22:58] <nikolaaa1> Those are old thingss.
[22:58] <puff> nikolaaa1: So it has plentty of horsepower.
[22:58] <kostkon> craig, for skype check skype-wrapper -> https://launchpad.net/~skype-wrapper/+archive/ppa
[22:58] <BluesKaj_> pegred, wafflejock , yeag i was about to ask if pavucontrol is installed
[22:58] <nikolaaa1> What proccessor does it have?
[22:58] <puff> nikolaaa1: t520.  It's acouple years old.
[22:58] <toni54321> how can i install the tach pad driver. because the scroll bar in the left dont work
[22:58] <nikolaaa1> Puff, what proccessor is it using?
[22:58] <craig> ty will take a look
[22:58] <kostkon> craig, what other icons
[22:59] <wafflejock> craig: yeah you may need to change the preferences to turn on systray icons
[22:59] <pegred> BluesKaj_  yes it is installed. I just opened it. the "mono" sound setting's indicator was at zero. I increased it, but no change. now opened alsamixer on terminal. nice colorful bars
[22:59] <puff> nikolaaa1: Intel Core i7-2720QM Processor (2.20Ghz, 6MB L3)
[22:59] <nikolaaa1> Puff, your CPU is strong enough to hold
[22:59] <nikolaaa1> Does it get really hot?
[22:59] <wafflejock> pegred: yeah if you see 00 at the bottom the channel is not muted if you see MM it is muted and you use M to toggle that
[23:00] <nikolaaa1> Down at the bottom?
[23:00] <kubunto> MonkeyDust: thank you for hte help
[23:00] <wafflejock> pegred: just about everything else you can do is shown on screen
[23:00] <kubunto> problem solved
[23:00] <puff> nikolaaa1: Fairly warm, it always has though.
[23:00] <nikolaaa1> It's probably an overheating problem, the fan is full with dust, buy compressed air and spray it inside.
[23:00] <MonkeyDust> kubunto  glad i could help
[23:00] <nikolaaa1> I had the same problem.
[23:00] <pegred> wafflejock, the speaker was indeed MM
[23:00] <BluesKaj_> pegred, make sure you have no MM in the controls
[23:00] <craig> I was trying to find a way to do that but the dconf-toll is not in the repos
[23:00] <nikolaaa1> With my TOSHIBA Laptop.
[23:00] <wafflejock> pegred: ah so problem solved?
[23:00] <hack_pack> anyone familiar with burpsuite?
[23:00] <pegred> BluesKaj_ , the speaker was MM
[23:00] <BluesKaj_> ok, pegred
[23:01] <pegred> BluesKaj_ , wafflejock, hopefully :) now trying again
[23:01] <MrJerome> I just installed php from source and it appears it didn't put a php.ini file anywhere. I don't have apache I'm using lighttpd. Should I copy the php.ini-development file from the source file to /etc/ ?
[23:01] <nikolaaa1> Is it possible to run PRNTSCR On ubuntu?
[23:01] <BluesKaj_> ok that's it for me for today..i'm done , later
[23:01] <pegred> not yet, restarting browser
[23:01] <kostkon> nikolaaa1, run it? what do you mean?
[23:01] <nikolaaa1> I tried it on version 10.04, and it worked, with wine, not sure with 13.10 though.
[23:02] <puff> nikolaaa1: Well, I'll check on the dust, but I'm pretty suspicious that it's more related to recent kernel or driver updates.
[23:02] <nikolaaa1> Puff, no updates dont have nothing to do with this.
[23:02] <pegred> BluesKaj_ , wafflejock, I also see auto-mute enabled on terminal. the reason?
[23:02] <nikolaaa1> Unless you open like 50 programs.
[23:02] <nikolaaa1> That's a problem, lol'd
[23:02] <MonkeyDust> nikolaaa1  what's prntscr apart from a key?
[23:02] <nikolaaa1> Prntscr is a picture taker.
[23:02] <nikolaaa1> ANd then it uploads it.
[23:03] <wafflejock> pegred: sorry not familiar with auto-mute
[23:03] <nikolaaa1> prntscr.com
[23:03] <kostkon> nikolaaa1, this? http://prntscr.com/
[23:03] <nikolaaa1> Yes kost.
[23:03] <MonkeyDust> nikolaaa1  try shutter
[23:03] <pegred> BluesKaj_ , do you know how to disable auto-mute on terminal?
[23:03] <nikolaaa1> I'm just installing it using wine.
[23:03] <nikolaaa1> I'll inform you if it works.
[23:03] <MonkeyDust> nikolaaa1  you don't need wine, use shutter
[23:03] <kostkon> nikolaaa1, +1 for shutter
[23:03] <pegred> oh, I found it
[23:03] <nikolaaa1> shutter?
[23:03] <nikolaaa1> Never heard of it?
[23:04] <pegred> with the up-down buttons it can be enabled/disabled
[23:04] <MonkeyDust> nikolaaa1  that's why i'm telling you :)
[23:04] <MonkeyDust> !info shutter
[23:04] <pegred> but still no sound
[23:04] <kostkon> nikolaaa1, http://shutter-project.org/
[23:04] <nikolaaa1> Just installed prntscr using wine, works like a charm
[23:04] <nikolaaa1> No glitches at all.
[23:04] <MonkeyDust> nikolaaa1  yes, but you need wine for it to run
[23:04] <nikolaaa1> Yes.
[23:04] <nikolaaa1> I'll try shutter.
[23:05] <nikolaaa1> Although, i'm still trying to get a game running on linux.
[23:05] <nikolaaa1> Using wine.
[23:05] <nikolaaa1> Followed the tut's no tut's work.
[23:05] <nikolaaa1> It just says Upgrading Roblox Studio, then it just dissapears.
[23:05] <jinx__>  Anyway to do a apt-get install of multiple packaxes? I need apache2, java, mysql, phpmyadmin
[23:06] <nikolaaa1> jinx
[23:06] <nikolaaa1> apt-get install apache2
[23:06] <nikolaaa1> apt-get install default-jre
[23:06] <nikolaaa1> apt0get install mysql
[23:06] <nikolaaa1> apt-get install phpmyadmin
[23:06] <jinx__> i know that, but in one line?
[23:06] <nikolaaa1> you can add &&
[23:06] <jinx__> ah, okay
[23:06] <MonkeyDust> nikolaaa1  http://appdb.winehq.org/
[23:07] <nikolaaa1> Great shutter is available in the software center.
[23:07] <nikolaaa1> Monkey, tried nothing.
[23:07] <nikolaaa1> Doesn't help.
[23:07] <bekks> nikolaaa1: apt-get install apache2 default-jre mysql phpmyadmin
[23:07] <nikolaaa1> bekks, what.
[23:07] <pegred> BluesKaj_ , wafflejock, it worked now!
[23:07] <pegred> thank you!
[23:07] <pegred> I think it was the change with MM
[23:07] <bekks> nikolaaa1: You can specify multiple packages for installation, not just one at a time.
[23:07] <toni54321> i download chrome from the google site but i cant install it
[23:08] <nikolaaa1> bekks wouldn't it be easier if apt-get install phpmyadmin && apt-get install apache2 && apt-get install default-jre && apt-get install phpmyadmin?
[23:08] <nikolaaa1> That's possible right?
[23:08] <MonkeyDust> toni54321  try chromium-browser from the repos
[23:08] <nikolaaa1> toni use chromium
[23:08] <bekks> nikolaaa1: Its possible, but far more compley than a single command.
[23:08] <pegred> I also did the regular update after that. but the packages seemed not related to sound
[23:08] <wafflejock> pegred: good deal glad you got it
[23:08] <nikolaaa1> bekks, ok.
[23:08] <nikolaaa1> How do you reinstall grub?
[23:08] <nikolaaa1> I have some problems with it.
[23:09] <bekks> !grub2 | nikolaaa1
[23:09] <pegred> thank you very much again, good night!
[23:09] <toni54321> ok. is in te software center
[23:09] <wafflejock> !fixgrub | nikolaaa1
[23:09] <wafflejock> awe
[23:09] <MonkeyDust> toni54321  sudo apt-get install chromium-browser (or use the software center)
[23:09] <nikolaaa1> Nothing showed.
[23:09] <nikolaaa1> I dont need to use windows .
[23:09] <nikolaaa1> thing
[23:09] <bekks> nikolaaa1: Then open the link just given.
[23:09] <nikolaaa1> ok
[23:09] <nikolaaa1> So ubuntu 10.04 is no longer supported?
[23:09] <wafflejock> !fixgrub | nikolaaa1
[23:09] <wafflejock> I found it
[23:10] <MonkeyDust> nikolaaa1  only for server
[23:10] <bekks> nikolaaa1: Only as a server, not as a desktop.
[23:10] <nikolaaa1> oK WAFFLE, UBOTTU. thanks.
[23:10] <nikolaaa1> Not as desktop?
[23:10] <wafflejock> same deal just bothered me :)
[23:10] <nikolaaa1> I posted something on a forum about 10.04, they all said to me it's not used anymore.
[23:10] <nikolaaa1> :l
[23:10] <MonkeyDust> nikolaaa1  it's called !eol
[23:10] <wafflejock> nikolaaa1: yeah 10.04 is way out of date now
[23:10] <bekks> nikolaaa1: As a desktop, it isnt supported anymore, thats correct.
[23:11] <nikolaaa1> Ah.
[23:11] <nikolaaa1> I Have 10.04 installed on my older laptop intel pentuim 3
[23:11] <wafflejock> nikolaaa1: you need to be on 12.04 for LTS till like 2017
[23:11] <nikolaaa1> And it wont shutdown
[23:11] <nikolaaa1> waffle, the old laptop doesnt support unity.
[23:11] <bekks> nikolaaa1: You are using it as a desktop?
[23:11] <nikolaaa1> Indeed.
[23:11] <wafflejock> nikolaaa1: you can use Xubuntu perhaps
[23:11] <toni54321> chromium is beter then firefox?
[23:11] <MonkeyDust> nikolaaa1  then install lxde or xfce or so
[23:11] <nikolaaa1> Xubuntu or Lubuntu?
[23:11] <bekks> nikolaaa1: Use 12.04, and use another desktop environment rather than unity.
[23:11] <nikolaaa1> What'ss better?
[23:11] <kostkon> nikolaaa1, update to 12.04 and install the lubuntu session,  apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[23:12] <MonkeyDust> toni54321  better depends on what you prefer
[23:12] <kostkon> upgrade*
[23:12] <wafflejock> nikolaaa1: yeah XFCE or LXDE, I haven't used the latter it's probably a matter of opinion
[23:12] <wafflejock> nikolaaa1: I think LXDE is slightly "lighter"
[23:12] <nikolaaa1> Aha.
[23:12] <nikolaaa1> OK.
[23:12] <nikolaaa1> Thanks for advice!
[23:12] <nikolaaa1> Eh this is weird.
[23:12] <nikolaaa1> I tried installing Envisioneer Express 3.0 installer using wine
[23:12] <nikolaaa1> THen it just told me.
[23:12] <MonkeyDust> nikolaaa1  to get an idea: http://i.imgur.com/3N5f6.jpg
[23:13] <nikolaaa1> Cannot finish installation.
[23:13] <nikolaaa1> SOmeone had this reason?
[23:13] <wafflejock> MonkeyDust: cool screenshot
[23:13] <toni54321> monkeydust. i mean if it is faster?
[23:13] <nikolaaa1> I prefer gnome-2
[23:13] <nikolaaa1> :L
[23:13] <nikolaaa1> of all of them.
[23:14] <MonkeyDust> nikolaaa1  a lot of people do, it's controversial
[23:14] <nikolaaa1> Wine glitches alot.
[23:14] <nikolaaa1> Is wine the only windows emulator?
[23:14] <wafflejock> yeah I've gone KDE but need the system resources to enjoy it I think
[23:14] <bekks> nikolaaa1: Yes.
[23:14] <nikolaaa1> great.
[23:15] <nikolaaa1> Mostly all of the programs i need dont work.
[23:15] <bekks> nikolaaa1: USe a virtual machine with Windows.
[23:15] <wafflejock> nikolaaa1: emulator yes you can use crossover or use a vm though
[23:15] <MonkeyDust> nikolaaa1  better use windows, if you use a lot of windows applications
[23:15] <nikolaaa1> I have dual boot windows 8
[23:15] <nikolaaa1> But i'm to lazy to reboot everytime.
[23:15] <nikolaaa1> :l
[23:15] <wafflejock> nikolaaa1: VirtualBox is free and works well for most things for games/graphics though I think I'd want native
[23:15] <nikolaaa1> I Know
[23:15] <nikolaaa1> BUt the isos are big
[23:15] <nikolaaa1> And virtualbox is kinda big
[23:15] <nikolaaa1> ANd i have a slow internet.
[23:15] <nikolaaa1> so i dont think it's gonna work well.
[23:16] <ben_xyzzy> If I was to link a pastebin of a really short bit of bash script, and asked a really simple question, would you answer that?
[23:16] <nikolaaa1> Although virtualbox lags.
[23:16] <bekks> nikolaaa1: It is pretty small, and even faster than vmware workstation.
[23:16] <MonkeyDust> ben_xyzzy  if it's ubuntu related
[23:16] <wafflejock> nikolaaa1: yeah I have windoze on my desktop and in a VM on my laptop, so AAA games I can play on the desktop and work on the laptop
[23:16] <toni54321> i have dual boot ubuntu 13.10 and windows 7. when i start the machine show me thw grub menu. is normal?
[23:16] <jrib> ben_xyzzy: post it and find out.  If it doesn't belong here, we'll tell you :)
[23:17] <nikolaaa1> toni yes it is normal
[23:17] <nikolaaa1> It's ubuntus grub loader.
[23:17] <nikolaaa1> Bootloader.
[23:17] <nikolaaa1> Anyway i'm going to
[23:17] <toni54321> i have dual boot ubuntu 13.10 and windows 7. when i start the machine show me the grub menu. is normal?
[23:17] <nikolaaa1> Bye everyone.
[23:17] <wafflejock> toni54321: yes without this you would have no way to choose which OS
[23:17] <wafflejock> bye nikolaaa1
[23:18] <toni54321> ok
[23:21] <so__> hi, it's possible to ask the command "play" to read all files in folder?
[23:22] <gordonjcp> so__: for i in *.ogg; do play $i; done
[23:23] <craig> Can anyone help me find the dconf-tool it is missing from my repos
[23:24] <ben_xyzzy> MonkeyOust / jrib: I guess it's pure bash... My question is in the comments on the right anyhow: http://ideone.com/7JFdpR
[23:24] <so__> sorry i'm french can you develop you'r phrase
[23:25] <so__> i use play with i?
[23:27] <ben_xyzzy> jrib: Do you think it's beyond the remit of Ubuntu?
[23:28] <craig> Can anyone help me find the dconf-tool it is missing from my repos and not listed in unity and when I try and type the install in terminal it says can not find.
[23:28] <craig> Or point me in the direction of another tool to use like it?
[23:28] <hello_> Hey, does anyone know how I could make v4l2ucp (webcam settings)'s option “Exposure, Auto Priority” persistent on reboot?
[23:28] <UNK_SYN_ACK> hahah @ wafflejock
[23:29] <UNK_SYN_ACK> old-skool xkcd
[23:29] <UNK_SYN_ACK> i think we have the same kind of humour
[23:29] <UNK_SYN_ACK> i once almost choked on coffe when i typed  "git ass" instead of "git add"
[23:29] <jrib> ben_xyzzy: this is a question for #bash
[23:29] <ben_xyzzy> jrib: ah OK cheers
[23:31] <MrJerome> How would I type this option for a command (from the --help):   -c <path>|<file>
[23:31] <MrJerome> does it mean <path> OR <file>?
[23:32] <Superdawg> MrJerome: without any context, I'd say that it meant path *or* file, yes.
[23:33] <wafflejock> UNK_SYN_ACK: haha nice
[23:33] <Hooper> Hi Mates.  Can somone give me a bit of a hand with a networking issue?
[23:33] <wafflejock> UNK_SYN_ACK: death by immature humor :)
[23:33] <MrJerome> It's to set the directory where php looks for php.ini
[23:33] <MrJerome> I'd like it to look in /etc/
[23:33] <UNK_SYN_ACK> haha indeed
[23:34] <wafflejock> !ask | Hooper
[23:34] <Hooper> cheers ubottu
[23:35] <craig> Can anyone help me find the dconf-tool it is missing from my repos and not listed in unity and when I try and type the install in terminal it says can not find.
[23:35] <wafflejock> MrJerome: I don't think there's one answer to that it depends on the command you're using
[23:36] <wafflejock> craig: https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/dconf-tools/
[23:36] <kostkon> !find dconf-tool
[23:36] <MrJerome> wafflejock: it's to set the dir where php looks for php.ini ... php -c <path>|<file>
[23:37] <wafflejock> !info dconf-tools
[23:37] <eHAPPY> somehow one of my ubuntu vms ran out of disk space...no idea where it went; suggestions to find culprit?
[23:37] <puff> In unity, how do I alt-tab to a specific firefox or chrome window?
[23:37] <kostkon> eHAPPY, check the filesizes of your logs in /var/log
[23:37] <wafflejock> MrJerome:  -c <path>|<file> Look for php.ini file in this directory
[23:37] <wafflejock> MrJerome: http://www.php.net/manual/en/features.commandline.options.php
[23:38] <Hooper> Hi Mates.  Ubuntu 12.04 networking issue.  Host can ping other hosts on the same network segment but not the gateway (and obviously nothing past the gateway).  interfaces / routing table can be found here - http://pastebin.com/44inw7Fs  Other hosts on the same network segment can ping the gateway.
[23:38] <wafflejock> MrJerome: appears it can be either the file itself or the directory with the file in it
[23:38] <eHAPPY> kostkon not it :(
[23:38] <MrJerome> puff: alt-tab and keep it over chrome and it will expand to show the different windows
[23:38] <zotta_> I am trying to run 2 instances of firefox with different profiles
[23:38] <kostkon> eHAPPY, ok
[23:39] <craig> wafflejock: thanks I found that link but when I click on the download I get a pop up for selecting a porgram to run it and I am not sure what to use or where to find it very noob to ubuntu only been running a couple of months :)
[23:39] <eHAPPY> kostkon is ther a way to list just like top 10 for with the du command?
[23:39] <zotta_> the solution i cam up with so far is "sux"
[23:39] <zotta_> but videos don't play when i use that
[23:39] <wafflejock> craig: hmm strange it should start up the software center directly I believe
[23:39] <kostkon> eHAPPY, can't help you on that maybe someone else will
[23:39] <zotta_> why is that and how can i get it to work
[23:39] <craig> that is what I would think but it does not LOL
[23:39] <wafflejock> craig: can you run lsb_release -a in the terminal to get your exact version
[23:40] <MrJerome> thanks wafflejock i'll read up a bit
[23:40] <wafflejock> MrJerome: sure thing it definitely varies program to program since whoever wrote it has to parse those arguments and do the "right thing" but you should be able to find it in the PHP docs they're pretty decent
[23:40] <craig> 12.04.3
[23:40] <craig> LTS
[23:41] <wafflejock> craig: it looks like dconf-tools just installs dconf-editor and dconf-cli
[23:41] <puff> MrJerome: Thanks.  There doesn't seem to be a gnome menubar anymore.
[23:41] <wafflejock> craig: perhaps you can just install those two separately
[23:41] <wafflejock> craig: on the link I dropped "This package is a transitional package installing dconf-cli and dconf-editor, it can safely be removed"
[23:42] <wafflejock> craig: sudo apt-get install dconf-editor dconf-cli
[23:42] <craig> wafeljack: that is what I tried from the software store it does not show and form the terminal it can not be found:(
[23:42] <Hooper> any help friends?
[23:42] <osubuntu> dd if=/dev/sda6 of=backup.image
[23:42] <craig> wafflejack: Reading package lists... Done
[23:42] <craig> Building dependency tree
[23:42] <craig> Reading state information... Done
[23:42] <craig> E: Unable to locate package dconf-editor
[23:42] <craig> E: Unable to locate package dconf-cli
[23:43] <osubuntu> it looks like dd is convinient backup tool after shrinking the partition
[23:43] <craig> sorry did not know it would put it her in multi line
[23:43] <Ashley2> HI!
[23:43] <osubuntu> !pastebin | craig
[23:43] <wafflejock> Hooper: is the gateway handling DHCP as well?
[23:43] <onetinsoldier> hi all. i was wondering if someone might be able to help me get compositing working? do i need to have a /dev/dri/card0 for it to work? i have an error for that(no such file or directory) in my Xorg.log file
[23:43] <Hooper> wafflejock, no.  Gateway is not doing DHCP.  IP addresses are all staticly assigned.
[23:43] <osubuntu> Give Xorg permission for that
[23:43] <craig> Sorry I did not know it was going ot do that try no tto it again
[23:44] <wafflejock> craig: try a sudo apt-get update
[23:44] <wafflejock> then do the install lines again to see if you get the same
[23:44] <osubuntu> onetinsoldier, before that please check whether there is /dev/dri/card0 or not
[23:44] <osubuntu> check the existence
[23:44] <onetinsoldier> osubuntu: no, i've checked it before, not there
[23:44] <wafflejock> craig: during sudo apt-get update it will check all your repos from the /etc/apt/sources.list and get an updates for package listings
[23:45] <onetinsoldier> osubuntu: suppsoed to be created by udev from what I've read
[23:45] <craig> Yeah I ran that about a hour ago and running agina see if ther is anything new :) thanks
[23:45] <wafflejock> craig: if the package is in one of those repos then it should be able to download and install it for you so beyond that I'm lost
[23:45] <craig> Still very much noob in linux :)
[23:45] <onetinsoldier> osubuntu: ls -lh /dev/dri; ls: cannot access /dev/dri: No such file or directory
[23:46] <osubuntu> lalala
[23:46] <craig> Love linux so much better then windows jsut have to get through the change in methods :)
[23:46] <onetinsoldier> osubuntu: same for /dev/dri/card0... no such file or dir
[23:46] <osubuntu> hmm
[23:46] <osubuntu> so ls /dev/dri/card0 = No such file or directory?
[23:47] <wafflejock> Hooper: can you describe the network infrastructure a bit like are other machines hooked up through the same switch as the problematic machine
[23:47] <osubuntu> then you have no video card or no appropriate driver
[23:47] <onetinsoldier> osubuntu: correct. btw, i'm using testing/trusty
[23:47] <osubuntu> onetinsoldier, Type lspci -nn | grep VGA
[23:47] <osubuntu> for some cases, also type lspci -nn | grep Display
[23:47] <onetinsoldier> osubuntu: and the fglrx driver
[23:48] <onetinsoldier> osubuntu: 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Pitcairn PRO [Radeon HD 7850] [1002:6819]
[23:48] <osubuntu> onetinsoldier, And what about lspci -nn | grep Display?
[23:48] <osubuntu> If there is nothing,
[23:48] <onetinsoldier> nothing
[23:48] <wafflejock> Hooper: basically an autosensing network switch will establish the appropriate settings for a port and save the IP for a port in it's tables once a packet is sent with a source IP set on that port, so messages can be routed by a switch without ever making their way out to the gateway, so that part makes sense
[23:49] <Hooper> wafflejock: Sure.  All the machines are virtualized on VMWare ESXi 4.  Connected to a layer 3 switch which then routes to the rest of the network.  There is 5 other hosts all on that <IP_ADDRESS>/24 network segment (and on the VMWare host) and all have full connectivity, except this one box.  All are configured exactly the same, infact I pulled the /etc/network/interface file off one and used
[23:49] <Hooper> that (Except for cahnging the IP).
[23:49] <osubuntu> Try using open-source drivers instead of fglrx
[23:49] <osubuntu> sudo apt-get purge fglrx would switch to open-source drivers
[23:49] <onetinsoldier> osubuntu: roger that. i was hoping to get it working with the fglrx driver. but thank you!
[23:50] <osubuntu> Or you have another option
[23:50] <osubuntu> You may install driver in the official catalyst homepage
[23:50] <Ben64> osubuntu: you shouldn't recommend that here
[23:50] <osubuntu> onetinsoldier, Or you may type "fglrxinfo" if you want to know where the graphics is detected correctly.
[23:50] <wafflejock> Hooper: any difference in the OS versions?
[23:51] <Hooper> wafflejock: I don't think so.  Give me 2 seconds to check.
[23:51] <Ben64> onetinsoldier: if you're on trusty, support is in #ubuntu+1
[23:51] <onetinsoldier> osubuntu: i thought about that, but was also thinking that probably wouldn't make any difference. i am using testing/trusty and so it should be the latest. also thought it's probably be best to use the fglrx driver packaged by ubuntu, even though it is third party proprietary driver
[23:52] <Hooper> wafflejock: no.  All hosts are Ubuntu 12.04.3 LTS
[23:52] <onetinsoldier> Ben64: roger. i'll try there. thanks
[23:52] <craig> wafflejock: just run sudo apt-get update && sodu apt-get upgrade and the run the command for install of the tols and still getting the same thing but thanks for the effort
[23:53] <onetinsoldier> osubuntu: No protocol specified... Error: unable to open display (null)
[23:53] <wafflejock> craig: sure thing hope you can find a way to get your issue sorted you may want to look at other tools that let you do whatever your end goal is too perhaps Unity
[23:53] <wafflejock> *Unity Tweak or something
[23:53] <sian> i need some help, ubuntu isn't recognizing my external hdd but my windows machine is(it is NTFS), the catch is that I know it has some bad sectors, what tool can I use to fix(or ignore) bad sectors in ubuntu?
[23:53] <onetinsoldier> osubuntu: thank you for trying :)
[23:54] <wafflejock> sian: you want to use ntfs tools in windows not linux most likely
[23:54] <wafflejock> sian: fsck doesn't really do much in the way of fixing ntfs it just marks the drive to be checked by windows essentially
[23:54] <craig> wafflejock: Well my end goal is to white list applications so they show in the system tray when running.
[23:55] <sian> wafflejock, ok, thanks. And I'm know i'm being of toppic, but any tool you can recommend for window$?
[23:55] <wafflejock> sian: I always just used chkdsk (built in) but there may be better alternatives
[23:55] <sian> wafflejock, ok, thanks
[23:57] <wafflejock> Hooper: not sure what to tell yah, so you can ping between devices on that network segment and you can ping to the gateway from other devices on that segment but you cannot from this one machine, I wonder if there's somehow an IP conflict and the gateway isn't responding to the correct machine?
[23:58] <Hooper> wafflejock: I thought that too, so I moved the host to a new IP on the same network segment, same issue.  Its got me stumped.  I can only assume that the network stack is corrupted or something.
[23:59] <wafflejock> Hooper: yeah I mean I would start looking into some trace tools to see if you can get any more info or possibly even use Wireshark (whatever it's called now) or something of that nature


[13:03] <roaksoax> allenap: ping
[13:10] <allenap> roaksoax: otp, done soon.
[13:19] <guimaluf> is it possible to add maas server as a maas node? I would like to set up the maas server as the cloud-controller, glance and keystone.
[13:20] <roaksoax> guimaluf: yeah you can enlist localhost, but for juju is not gonna be usefull because the maas server is the onein chanrge of turning on the machines you need
[13:22] <allenap> roaksoax: Going to be a bit longer.
[13:22] <roaksoax> allenap: no worries, let me know when you done :)
[13:24] <guimaluf> roaksoax, so my maas server should be uniq for this purpose? cause I've a powerfull server and run only the maas server will be a waste of resources.
[13:25] <roaksoax> guimaluf: yeah, unless you deploy VMs with it
[13:25] <guimaluf> then should I put the maas server in a virtual machine ?
[13:25] <guimaluf> deploy vms with juju?
[13:25] <roaksoax> guimaluf: you could, or you could have VMs contorlled by maas
[13:25] <roaksoax> guimaluf: for juju they would only be nodes
[13:26] <guimaluf> hmm
[13:27] <guimaluf> I can't figure out how I'll use my 16 servers in juju + openstack IaaS
[13:29] <guimaluf> roaksoax, another issue: when I run juju status openstack-dashborad there is public-address:null
[13:30] <guimaluf> I dont know how will I make my cloud avaible.
[13:30] <guimaluf> when will my node get the hypervisor installed?
[13:31] <guimaluf> I'm bit confuse :(
[13:31] <guimaluf> and bothering you alot, I thin
[13:31] <guimaluf> think
[13:31] <roaksoax> TBH I have not done many openstack deployments with juju/MAAS
[13:31] <roaksoax> so I don't know much about those bits
[13:31] <roaksoax> guimaluf: someone who would be able to help you is adam_g
[13:32] <roaksoax> but he is at OSCON atm
[13:33] <guimaluf> :(
[13:46] <smoser> well, if juju doesn't have the address, it would seem a general juju<->maas issue.
[13:59] <allenap> roaksoax: What's up?
[13:59] <allenap> The stuff still hasn't gone upstream.
[13:59] <allenap> :)
[13:59] <roaksoax> allenap: ok, so, there's something wrong with maas-pserv
[13:59] <roaksoax> allenap: there's some weird thing happening. maas-pserv fails to start
[14:00] <roaksoax> but then magically, it starts
[14:00] <allenap> roaksoax: Do you have some logs for it?
[14:00] <roaksoax> allenap: there's nothing :)
[14:00] <roaksoax> allenap: can you spawn a canonicastack instace and install maas from quantal
[14:00] <roaksoax> and see it for yourself to see if you have any ideas of what it might be?
[14:00] <allenap> roaksoax: I wonder if this is still the celeryconfig problem?
[14:01] <roaksoax> allenap: might be, I imported the path
[14:01] <allenap> roaksoax: I've never used canonistack, so it might take me a while to figure it out.
[14:01] <allenap> roaksoax: If it's that, I'm working on it.
[14:01] <roaksoax> allenap: so upstart says twistd doesn't know who 'maas-pserv' is
[14:01] <roaksoax> allenap: so it is failing somewhere when the plugin does the import
[14:01] <allenap> roaksoax: Yeah, that sounds right. It can't import celeryconfig probably, but the import exception is being suppressed.
[14:02] <roaksoax> allenap: I added the path in provisioningserver/plugin.py so I know it is importing thepath correctly
[14:03] <allenap> roaksoax: Let me fix the celeryconfig thing. If the problem is still there then I'll spend more time on it. Will that block you?
[14:03] <roaksoax> allenap: yeah we have a broken maas in quantal :)
[14:04] <allenap> roaksoax: It's fairly broken in Precise too ;)
[14:05] <roaksoax> allenap: heh but precise at least works
[15:41] <guimaluf> roaksoax, when I expose a service I get the following error: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1098491/
[15:41] <guimaluf> I'm  completely discouraged
[15:42] <roaksoax> guimaluf: AFAIK, you cannot expose services with maas as that's like opening a port in ec2
[15:42] <roaksoax> that's only a feature with ec2 i thi nk
[15:43] <guimaluf> so how will I make my service avaible?
[15:51] <roaksoax> guimaluf: the service is available
[15:51] <roaksoax> guimaluf: if you are deploying instances with juju inside openstack, then you can use the expose command I believe
[15:52] <guimaluf> roaksoax, I have onde node on my juju environment, I deployed, related and exposed many services, but where will I access my service? I cant get the public-address value, and I got this error on node juju log
[15:54] <roaksoax> guimaluf: "Service exposing works by opening appropriate ports in the firewall of the cloud provider."
[15:54] <roaksoax> if you are deployimng in baremetal that ncommand is not necessary
[15:55] <guimaluf> but when I access my node address nothing happens
[15:55] <guimaluf> all my services have agent-state:pending
[15:55] <guimaluf> :/
[15:56] <roaksoax> that means that they are trying to get installed or something wrong is going on there
[16:12] <guimaluf> roaksoax, probabily something wrong in the node right?
[16:12] <roaksoax> guimaluf: yes in the node
[16:14] <guimaluf> there is nothing in /var/log/juju :/ only the error above
[16:16] <guimaluf> I'll install openstack without juju :/ time is near :(
[16:17] <roaksoax> guimaluf: is that on the client machines?
[16:17] <guimaluf> roaksoax, yep
[16:17] <guimaluf> /var/log/juju/provision.log
[16:17] <roaksoax> guimaluf: there's no machine-agent.log nor provision.log?
[16:17] <guimaluf> provision log http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1098491/
[16:29] <roaksoax> rvba: bug #1026228
[16:29] <roaksoax> guimaluf: there was an error with juju apparently, do you have any cloud-init logs?
[16:39] <guimaluf> roaksoax, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1098589/
[17:17] <roaksoax> guimaluf: were you seeing this error? 2012-07-18 13:14:46,016:1882(0x7fe067770700):ZOO_ERROR@handle_socket_error_msg@1579: Socket [<IP_ADDRESS>:44068] zk retcode=-4, errno=111(Connection refused): server refused to accept the client
[17:19] <guimaluf> roaksoax, nop. only ZOO_INFO
[17:20] <roaksoax> sok
[17:21] <roaksoax> smoser: there seems to be an issue when importing the data source after the bootsrrap
[17:25] <smoser> roaksoax, ?
[17:25] <roaksoax> smoser: juju does not get installed after juju bootstrap with maas
[17:26] <roaksoax> i'm redploying
[17:26] <smoser> because cloud-init isn't getting its datasource
[17:26] <roaksoax> smoser: it is getting the ssh keys from MAAS
[17:26] <roaksoax> not the juju stuff though
[17:27] <smoser> roaksoax, can you give me more info and/or access?
[17:28] <roaksoax> smoser: is in my local environment, let me finish re-bootstrapping
[17:28] <roaksoax> smoser: apache: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1098663/
[17:31] <roaksoax> smoser: ah never mind I think I found the issue
[17:31] <roaksoax> it seems to be proxy
[17:34] <roaksoax> smoser: for some reason sources.list ends up with ubuntu-mirror
[17:34] <roaksoax> smoser is that done by cloud-init?
[17:35] <smoser> roaksoax, yes.
[17:35] <smoser> you have broken dns
[17:35] <smoser> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cloud-init/+bug/974509
[17:36] <smoser> cloud-init noticed that you had a host on your network (named 'ubuntu-mirror') and assumed that you wanted to use that mirror.
[17:36] <roaksoax> smoser: I don't this is MAAS on a VM
[17:36] <smoser> your issue is that you also have a host named "roaksoax-uses-a-broken-dns-provider-that-does-dns-hijacking"
[17:36] <roaksoax> dns/dhcp is libvirt
[17:37] <smoser> try it.
[17:37] <smoser> thats the problem. cloud-init does a dns lookup and its getting a valid response for that 'ubuntu-mirror'
[17:38] <smoser> (rather than a not found response)
[17:38] <roaksoax> smoser: right, but it is libvirt the one controlling DNS
[17:38] <smoser> well libvirt is letting dns pass through
[17:38] <smoser> dnsmasq is cacheing only for libvirt.
[17:39] <smoser> change your hosts dns to use <IP_ADDRESS> and restart libvirt.
[17:39] <smoser> (note, it is annoying, and something that will get fixed in one way or another).
[17:41] <roaksoax> smoser: did you happen to figure out how to select a particular dns server on a wifi connection at all times?
[17:43] <Daviey> good luck with that
[17:43] <smoser> man dhclient-script
[17:43] <smoser> it would seem its possible there.
[17:43] <Daviey> possible == hack
[17:43] <smoser> but that will likely cause issues on public wifi
[17:44] <smoser> its not a hack. its explicitly listed as how to do it.
[17:44] <smoser> oh. or also
[17:44] <smoser>  /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
[17:45] <smoser> hm..
[17:45] <smoser> but no, with resolvconf that wont work
[17:45] <roaksoax> and againa another reason why I hate the change in resolvconf :)
[17:46] <roaksoax> smoser: but anyuways, any way to disable cloud-init trying to use a mirror? What If I don't really want it to automatically use one
[17:46] <smoser> you can feed it one with user-data.
[17:48] <roaksoax> smoser: right, but shouldn't default behavior be not to try to do that?
[17:48] <roaksoax> smoser: cause, in my cause for exmaple, is breaking my maas implementation and might be breaking others too
[17:50] <roaksoax> smoser: cuase either way, that's the reason why we pass http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1098696/ to the preseed
[17:50] <roaksoax> s/to the/in the
[17:51] <smoser> roaksoax, shouldn't the default behavior be to not have broken dns?
[17:51] <roaksoax> smoser: then I guess we should go all the way to resolveconf :)
[17:51] <smoser> but having this feature off by default would essentially defeat its purpose.
[17:52] <smoser> the idea was to not have to modify the image and get magical selection of your local mirror
[17:52] <smoser> i'm confused though
[17:52] <smoser> oh.
[17:52] <smoser> yeah, that does suck
[17:53] <smoser> you preseed the install, and that gets it right
[17:53] <smoser> and then cloud-init finds a better mirror
[17:53] <smoser> you can fix it through late_command here.
[17:53] <roaksoax> smoser: right, then I guess we should have an option within MAAS to disable that
[17:54] <smoser> well, this [miss]feature is probably going to change.
[17:54] <roaksoax> smoser: cuase, for example, in my particular case, how was I supposed to know I had a broken DNS on a clean machine and when I haven't played with DNS?
[17:54] <roaksoax> i wouldn't have notice at all if it wasn't for what cloud init found
[17:54] <roaksoax> so that means, like me, there might be others with the same issue
[17:55] <roaksoax> having mirrors on a MAAS network, but not wanting to use them
[17:55] <smoser> so.. i'm told that the way chrome handles this is that it tries dnslookups of never-will-exist domains.
[17:55] <smoser> and then says "oh, you have broken dns"
[17:56] <smoser> roaksoax, so..
[17:56] <smoser> cobbler  cobbler/password  password xcobbler
[17:56] <smoser> is there any reason that i'd pre-seed that in quantal?
[17:57] <roaksoax> smoser: in pserv.yaml?
[17:57] <roaksoax> smoser: yeah it gets replaced on postinst
[17:57] <smoser> hm..
[17:57] <smoser> in zimmer-build
[17:57] <roaksoax> ah lol
[17:57] <smoser> i used to do that
[17:57] <smoser> to set a password for cobbler
[17:58] <roaksoax> no not really needed
[17:58] <roaksoax> maas should take care of settings its own user now
[17:58] <smoser> so should i remove that even if on precise?
[17:58] <roaksoax> I believe so
[17:59] <smoser> what about updating /var/lib/cobbler/snippets/maas_proxy
[17:59] <smoser> any reason to do that on quantal
[17:59] <smoser> ?
[18:00] <roaksoax> yeah it should probably stay
[18:00] <smoser> ok... what about /etc/cobbler/cobbler.conf ?
[18:00] <smoser> is that still around?
[18:00] <roaksoax> smoser: you mean settings? yes still needed until we drop it
[18:01] <smoser> i'm looking at zimmer-build/ud-build.txt
[18:01] <smoser> and there are hacks/modifications for cobbler that are done
[18:01] <smoser> and i was just trying to see if each is still necessary
[18:02] <roaksoax> smoser: I don't really think we need any since all the setup is done by maas itself
[18:02] <roaksoax> though we need to ensure that maas set's the correc tproxy, and next_server
[18:02] <smoser> it updates /var/lib/cobbler/snippets/maas_proxy ?
[18:03] <smoser> err... wait.
[18:03] <smoser> is there a way that i can tell maas to use my *other* proxy?
[18:03] <smoser> that is what the proxy hack was doing
[18:03] <roaksoax> smoser: nope there's not. so that's why we should keep that.
[18:03] <roaksoax> and making sure next_server and server and MAAS_DEFAULT_ULR are set correctly
[18:03] <smoser> and then the cobbler init hack
[18:04] <smoser> are you looking at this?
[18:04] <smoser> i make cobbler update its network address on start
[18:05] <roaksoax> smoser: so the cobbler network address update should be kept, + make sure it is updated on /etc/maas/maas_local_settings.py
[18:05] <roaksoax> cause they should be the same
[18:05] <smoser> so i should just change that hack to read it from /etc/maas/maas_local_settings.py ?
[18:06] <smoser> from DEFAULT_MAAS_URL ?
[18:06] <roaksoax> smoser: yes,
[18:06] <roaksoax> that could also be a way to fix this
[18:09] <smoser> PYTHONPATH=/etc/maas python -c 'import maas_local_settings, urlparse; print urlparse.urlsplit(maas_local_settings.DEFAULT_MAAS_URL)[1]'
[18:12] <roaksoax> smoser: looks good to me
[18:14] <smoser> roaksoax, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1098737/
[18:14] <smoser> i'm gonna test that
[18:15] <roaksoax> cool, looks good to me
[18:23] <smoser> roaksoax, wait.
[18:23] <smoser> does maas try to figure that value out on its own?
[18:23] <smoser> or how can i tell it to re-get it.
[18:24] <smoser> the problem is that i build the zimmer image, and then save it. and when it boots it has a new ip address.
[18:25] <roaksoax> smoser: ah riught, it tries to figure out on postinst, so you need to obtain it the way you were doing it, and update maas_local_settings, and update cobbler
[18:25] <smoser> bugger.
[18:31] <smoser> roaksoax, which of the /etc/init/maas-* files do i need to change so they dont start until MAAS_URL iset correctly?
[18:31] <roaksoax> smoser: actually that part is run by apache2
[18:31] <roaksoax> through the wsgi.py file
[18:32] <smoser> fun.
[18:41] <smoser> roaksoax, so what do you think.
[18:41] <smoser> i get the right address
[18:41] <smoser> and then what?
[18:41] <smoser> do i update /etc/maas/local_settings.py ?
[18:42] <smoser> and dpkg-reconfigure maas ?
[18:42] <smoser> will that do it?
[18:42] <roaksoax> smoser: dpkg-reconfigure maas updates maas_local_settings.py and cobbler settings
[18:42] <smoser> updates it from what?
[18:43] <roaksoax> smoser: is a debconf questions that asks for the IP address
[18:46] <smoser> ok. so i'm going to just go with this:
[18:46] <smoser>  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -pmedium maas
[20:48] <smoser> roaksoax,
[20:48] <smoser> in apt-get install of maas (during zimmer build for quantal)
[20:48] <smoser> /tmp/maas.config.12013: 32: /tmp/maas.config.12013: dbc_go: not found
[20:48] <smoser> maas failed to preconfigure, with exit status 127
[20:48] <smoser> Fetched 62.5 MB in 7s (8324 kB/s)
[20:48] <smoser> Selecting previously unselected package libavahi-common-data:amd64.
[20:48] <smoser> (Reading database ... 46830 files and directories currently installed.)
[20:48] <roaksoax> smoser: that seems like dbconfig-common is missing or failing or something
[20:49] <smoser> can you depend on that from config?
[20:49] <roaksoax> smoser: yeah


[08:23] <hrw> morning
[08:29] <zyga> hrw, hi
[08:38] <neure> hi
[08:39] <neure> if a bug like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap/+bug/584920 has been fixed, how can i get a the new, fixed installer image?
[08:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 584920 in linux-ti-omap (Ubuntu) "netinstall fails, it has no network driver for moschip (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Fix committed]
[08:39] <neure> a.. i mean, the :)
[08:40] <ogra> neure, you have to wait for a debian-installer respin, that will likely happen for 10.04.1 (end of july)
[08:40] <ogra> the fix includes all USB NIC modules now, was uploaded this week
[08:43] <neure> could i somehow would the installer myself?
[08:44] <neure> like, i should be able to try the fix, right?
[08:44] <amitk> you need plar's script to install a kernel into a live image
[08:44] <amitk> s/install/update
[08:44] <neure> thats almost mumbo jumbo to me .. :)
[08:45] <neure> ok that makes a bit more sense
[08:48] <neure> of course would be lovely if someone did that for me .. :)
[08:49] <neure> but.. where do i get the script and where do i get the new kernel?
[08:49] <neure> and where do i get suitable live image?
[08:53] <amitk> http://people.canonical.com/~amitk/update-image-kernel-x86.sh
[08:53] <amitk> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-live/current/lucid-netbook-armel+omap.img
[09:02] <ogra> amitk, that wont help for netinstall though
[09:03] <ogra> also the live image is http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/lucid/release/ubuntu-10.04-netbook-armel+omap.img
[09:03] <ogra> (though its not really live, it just fires up an installer under X)
[09:04] <amitk> ogra: no, it won't help with netinstall
[09:06] <ogra> neure, the "live" image has the moschip driver included no need to update the kernel there, its just missing in the netinstall
[09:06] <zyga> asac, hi
[09:06] <zyga> asac, did plars talk with you about image identity/timestamps?
[09:08] <neure> so..
[09:08] <neure> is there some way for me to have installed with the netinstaller?
[09:15] <ogra> neure, netinstaller works fine ait asix based NICs if you can get such a device it will definately just work
[09:15] <ogra> s/ait/with/
[09:16] <neure> asix based?
[09:18] <amitk> neure: any reason you can't use live image?
[09:20] <neure> i dont know exactly what live image means in this case
[09:20] <neure> perhaps i could, i havent tried
[09:21] <neure> is it something that i could consider as 'preinstalled' ?
[09:34] <ogra> neure, no, they are all installer images, the "live" image simply installs a netbook system to an USB key
[09:34] <ogra> preinstalled images will come with the next release
[09:43] <neure> no
[09:43] <neure> i can not use live image
[09:44] <neure> at least the server installer failed to access usb stick on my C2 beagleboard
[09:44] <neure> i tried two different powered USB hubs and two different USB keys
[09:45] <ogra> weird
[09:45] <neure> so i assume all ubuntu installer images have the same issue: they can not access usb discs on this setup
[09:45] <neure> if you had some ideas, i could investigate further, but im really not a linux expert in any way
[09:45] <hrw> neure: anything other on usb was visible?
[09:45]  * ogra doesnt have a C2 so cant tell
[09:45] <neure> keyboard and ethernet were on the same usb
[09:46] <neure> same hub
[09:46] <neure> keyboard worked fine
[09:46] <neure> ethernet wasnt working as it lacked the drivers
[09:47] <neure> angstrom works on the otg with powered hub and it can access usb discs and everything works
[09:47] <neure> so i wish you guys also supported otg :)
[09:48] <neure> but of course im not sure if this was really usb issue or if for example my installer image was bad
[09:48] <ogra> otg will come with maverick
[09:48] <ogra> there are MD5 files on the download page
[09:48] <neure> i was able to proceed with the installation to usb with a usb stick i had preformatted on pc
[09:48] <neure> but then it failed complaining some package was corrupt
[09:49] <neure> i suppose i would need to read the image back from the sdcard and then check md5?
[09:50] <ogra> if you didnt keep it on your PC
[10:08] <neure> well im suspecting the image might have been corrupted while it was transferred to sdcard
[10:08] <neure> image on pc could be ok
[11:27] <hrw> lool: ok, added note
[11:28] <hrw> lool: intermediate stages for gcc/eglibc: do we make subpackages for them (gcc-cross-stage1, gcc-cross-stage2) or other?
[11:31] <hrw> lool: 'build binutils with -sysroot support' is already done in packaging (--with-sysroot=/) since <IP_ADDRESS>00407-0ubuntu1/lucid (08 Apr 2010)
[11:45] <lool> hrw: I'm not sure I understand the first question
[11:46] <lool> hrw: In the end, you will have a meta-package called e.g. cross-toolchain which will build-dep on the gcc source and the binutils source, you'll have to call the binutils rules and the gcc rules to achieve building a full set of cross-compiler packages
[11:46] <hrw> ok, ignore first question now
[11:48] <hrw> lool: started binutils part
[11:49] <lool> hrw: You experienced the process of creating them in the emdebian way, right
[11:50] <lool> hrw: You could see how the various steps created more packages, which you then installed and allowed you to complete the next one
[11:50] <lool> hrw: Here, the hardest part is getting away without dpkg -i
[11:50] <lool> hrw: You're going to have to build all packages from a single meta-package build
[11:50] <hrw> I know
[11:50] <lool> dpkg -i wontbe allowed
[11:51] <hrw> basically "dpkg-source -x cross-toolchain-for-arm.dsc; cd cross-toolchain-for-arm; debuild -b -uc -us"
[11:52] <lool> hrw: In the end, we will upload a cross-toolchain-armel.dsc, and it will give binutils-arm.deb, gcc-arm.deb etc.
[11:53] <lool> hrw: The hard part is that while you have the full binutils sources and gcc sources and their packaging, you need to call into their packaging to reuse their logic as much as possible (as to give us cross packages which look identical to the non-cross ones)
[11:53] <lool> hrw: and you may not install them in /usr during the build, since the build runs as non-root
[11:54] <hrw> yep
[11:55] <lool> hrw: it is likely that you indeed have to build the intermediate stages, I highly suspect you will have to use --sysroot to achieve building in a subtree
[11:58] <hrw> will get to it in one moment
[11:58] <hrw> now working on binutils
[12:07] <ogra> grmbl
[12:07]  * ogra starts to hate x-loader
[12:11]  * amitk gives ogra redboot :)
[12:11] <ogra> heh, i wish i could use it on omap4 :P
[12:12] <hrw> redboot... argh
[12:12] <ogra> i can at least get it to build :P
[12:13] <ogra> that huge mess fo hard links between git trees is nearly unresolvable to get a natively building package
[12:14] <XorA> ogra: working on the omap4 x-loader?
[12:14] <ogra> yeah
[12:14] <ogra> how did you guess ? :)
[12:14] <XorA> ogra: someone probably needs to a) pay sakoman to incorporate that work into his or b) merge WTBU trees with his
[12:15] <XorA> ogra: I had to deal with that mess for Angstrom
[12:15] <hrw> XorA: and got it working?
[12:15] <ogra> well, i got the headers from u-boot in my tree now but x-load-arm.h seems to have broken assembler now
[12:15] <ogra> its just massively messy
[12:16] <ogra> and the biggest fun is that all i'm doing atm is throw away work because x-loader is going away anyway
[12:16] <XorA> hrw: for omap3 which is same tree I ended up just mirroring a tarball of the u-boot tree and extracting that next to the x-loader git repo
[12:16] <ogra> but currently we need it to get the image building for omap4 going
[12:17] <ogra> XorA, heh, i did a giant patch with the headers ...
[12:17] <XorA> ogra: I started that way then got real bored, I wasnt being paid for that work :-)
[12:17] <ogra> but nontheless there are assembler errors in x-load-arm.h
[12:18] <hrw> ogra: maybe they use gcc 2.95 for building
[12:18] <ogra> oh, assembling the patch didnt take much ... just a small script with some find loginc to search for dangling symlinks
[12:18] <ogra> *logic
[12:18] <XorA> try fixing the arch to armv5
[12:18] <ogra> hmm
[12:19]  * ogra tries
[12:19] <XorA> I vageuly remember armv7a needs and old gcc to actually compile that file
[12:20] <ogra> nope
[12:21] <amitk> ogra: what toolchain are you using?
[12:22] <ogra> lucid atm
[13:06]  * hrw → lunch
[13:11] <amitk> ogra: do you know why I wouldn't get a password prompt after the login prompt?
[13:11] <amitk> i return back to the login prompt on entering the user name (nfs root)
[13:42] <ogra> amitk, not really, check auth.log (with init=/bin/bash)
[14:14] <ogra> x-loader-omap4_L24.6-p1git20100520-0ubuntu3_armel.deb
[14:14] <ogra> yippie
[14:18] <ogra> phew, what a painful exercise
[14:21] <lool> Do we need a separate loader?
[14:21] <lool> I thought it was supposed to be backwards-compatible?
[14:22] <ogra> lool, we need MLO for each single bpard until the header is added to u-boot
[14:22] <ogra> and even then it needs to be a binary header per board since they are wired up differently
[14:23] <ogra> panda and blaze definately are different here, as well as XM and beagle
[14:24] <ogra> s/beagle/C*/
[14:26] <ogra> lool, though for omap4 i was told the boundary to block zero in vfat for MLO has fallen, so we can just ship all MLOs that exist and you can boot different boards with the same image through just renaming i.e. MLO-blaze to MLO
[14:26] <ogra> thats already a big win
[14:26] <ogra> (or with the binary header you can rename u-boot-blaze.bin to u-boot.bin)
[14:32] <hrw> re
[14:41] <lool> is there public doc on the blaze?
[14:42] <vstehle> lool: I found this: http://svtronics.com/market_omap
[14:43]  * hrw is building cross-binutils for all arches now using debuild
[14:43] <lool> vstehle: thanks
[14:44] <vstehle> lool: No schematics it seems
[14:44] <lool> vstehle: Oh right, I've actualy seen it
[14:45] <vstehle> lool: You need some specific info about the blaze?
[14:45] <lool> Was just curious what it was, but I see now, thanks
[14:46] <asac> zyga: we started to discuss that
[14:59] <hrw>  1 file changed, 52 insertions(+), 13 deletions(-)
[14:59] <hrw> whole changes for binutils
[14:59] <asac> zyga: depends on what the imjage building concepts are etc.
[15:00] <lool> hrw: you found lp:ubuntu/binutils I guess?
[15:00] <hrw> lool: I took latest maverick package but will provide diff against that branch
[15:00] <zyga> asac, I think that even thought there are several bits of infrastructure involved having timestamp and image type inside the image is very important
[15:03] <james_w> what are the bootloaders usually used on ARM?
[15:04] <ogra> james_w, u-boot, redboot, apex are some we used before
[15:04] <ogra> there sadly are plenty
[15:04] <hrw> james_w: uboot, redboot, apex, blob and few others
[15:04] <james_w> ogra: all of them worth having support for in image building tools?
[15:04] <ogra> james_w, nope
[15:04] <james_w> ogra: which would you pick to have support for?
[15:04] <ogra> afaik jcrigby is doing some work to unify on u-boot
[15:05] <hrw> james_w: u-boot
[15:05] <ogra> u-boot though i like redboot too, but we dont use it anymore
[15:05] <james_w> ok, that's what we will start with then
[15:05] <james_w> thanks ogra, hrw
[15:05]  * ogra is just rolling u-boot-omap4 packages
[15:17] <asac> zyga: yes. i fully agree for images, but from what i understood plars wanted a way to have a way to describe what version an install is on
[15:18] <asac> e.g. even after dist-upgrading other packages
[15:56] <xorAxAx> asac: ar9170
[16:05] <xorAxAx> WTF
[16:05] <xorAxAx> # CONFIG_CFG80211_WEXT is not set
[16:05] <xorAxAx> bonkers!
[16:05] <xorAxAx> useless!
[16:05] <xorAxAx> please fix, quickly, total showstopper
[16:06] <ogra> xorAxAx, i guess you rather mean amitk
[16:07]  * amitk looks up
[16:07] <ogra> amitk, he's right
[16:09] <amitk> mpoirier: ^^^ could you please look at this as a Lucid SRU?
[16:09] <mpoirier> amitk: you mean the discussion above ?
[16:10] <amitk> yes, enabling CONFIG_CFG80211_WEXT
[16:10] <mpoirier> amitk: Ok, I'll open a pub and fix it.
[16:11]  * ogra will go and have a beer at mpoirier's pub :)
[16:11] <amitk> heh
[16:12]  * amitk notes that it is beer o'clock here
[16:12] <ogra> here too but i'm out of beer :(
[16:16] <XorA> keep working until new beer arrives :-)
[16:56] <hrw> have a nice weekend everybody
[17:07] <ogra> XorA, hmm
[17:08] <ogra> XorA, did you ever try your mkcard script with a real SD cardreader ?
[17:08] <ogra> and on a non english system :)
[17:11] <XorA> ogra: non english no, but the version in OE should work for that if the patches I got from french speakers were correct
[17:11] <XorA> ogra: and it certainly works on read SD card readers
[17:12] <ogra> well, it does explode on mmcblk0p1 :)
[17:12] <ogra> since you have the p there
[17:12] <ogra> and "Disk" doesnt show up in german localized fdisk -l output
[17:13] <ogra> i had to modify it like that for my system http://paste.ubuntu.com/440936/
[17:14] <XorA> ogra: thats an old version of script, the one in OE is more robust
[17:14] <ogra> ah
[17:14] <ogra> i took the one from your blog
[17:14] <XorA> I thought I had updated all the pages to point to OE git
[17:15] <ogra> http://www.xora.org.uk/2009/08/14/omap3-sd-booting/
[17:15] <XorA> http://cgit.openembedded.net/cgit.cgi/openembedded/tree/contrib/angstrom/omap3-mkcard.sh
[17:15] <ogra> well, it works now, i just needed something quick
[17:15] <XorA> ogra: top of that post tells you to go to OE git :-)
[17:16] <ogra> heh, i'm blind
[17:16] <XorA> :-)
[17:16] <XorA> that version even runs on the target platform :-)
[17:16] <ogra> grr, my MLO doesnt work :(
[17:25] <ogra> NCommander, the driver for the otg port in lucid doesnt work
[17:26] <NCommander> ogra: ugh
[17:26] <ogra> use an usb nic
[17:26] <NCommander> ogra: I don't have one, or an ethernet jack I can plug it into
[17:29] <NCommander> ogra: why is it broken?
[17:34] <ogra> because its broken ... no idea the patch didnt work
[17:37] <NCommander> ogra: ugh, ok. What package is x-loader in? (google is failing me)
[17:37] <ogra> x-loader-omap
[17:39] <NCommander> Texas Instruments X-Loader 1.4.3 (Mar 24 2010 - 21:16:42)
[17:39] <NCommander> W00t
[17:39] <NCommander> it boots from MMC!
[18:04] <ogra> phew
[18:04]  * ogra dputs x-loader-omap4
[18:04] <ogra> and cllas it a day
[18:04] <ogra> *calls
[18:28] <NCommander> ogra: \o/
[18:53] <NCommander> sebjan: ping?
[20:16] <xorAxAx>  what does the USR0 blinking mean in my lucid install?
[20:21] <xorAxAx> ah, heartbeat
[21:08] <xorAxAx> how to overclock the beagle to 600 mhz without using memory pokes in uboot?
[23:16] <DanaG> http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/lenovo-kills-skylight-os-in-favor-of-android-u1-hybrid-and-skyl/
[23:16] <DanaG> hmm... does that mean the PRODUCT is dead... or just the OS?
[23:17] <DanaG> yeah, product is canned.  Dang.
[23:18] <DanaG> They could've just taken the "skylight" and put ubuntu on it... and called it a full OS (which it is!).


[10:29] <ktecho> Hi there. How's the upgrade of QT in bionic? I heard that it's needed for the latest kde plasma
[10:53] <acheronuk> ktecho: need to do it in cosmic 1st. that is WIP
[11:01] <ktecho> acheronuk: ok, understood. Thanks!
[18:33] <mitya57> lisandro: What can we do right now? Announce future changes, or make changes to existing (Qt 4 / Qt 5) packaging?
[18:34] <lisandro> contact upstream to ask them to please use <foo name>-qt6 or alike
 I don’t think they will agree :(
[18:40] <mitya57> lisandro: note that even for Qt 4 and Qt 5 which had more incompatibilities, upstream did not provide any official way of co-installing them.
[18:40] <lisandro> and do you remember why was that?
[18:40] <mitya57> (qtchooser never became official, and is mostly abandoned now)
[18:41] <mitya57> No I don’t, I was not working on Qt packaging at that time yet :)
[18:41] <lisandro> right!
[18:42] <lisandro> that was because f what I've said before: submodules maintainers did not consider the problem important enough for chaging stuff at the last minute
[18:42] <lisandro> that's because we reached them a few weeks before Qt 5.0.0
[18:43] <lisandro> granted, it doesn't means we are going to be successful this time
[18:43] <mitya57> Ok, maybe you are right then
[18:43] <mitya57> Please start a thread and I will follow it / reply if needed.
[18:44] <lisandro> I'll see to talk with sune first
[18:44] <lisandro> he might know better than I if it's worth the effort or no
[18:44] <mitya57> Makes sense.