[00:59] <lamalex> Does anyone know the status of per project PQM instances?
[01:30] <edgar> hello everyone
[01:31] <edgar> I'm trying to log in now, and I cant, I get a Try again messages
[01:32] <edgar> is launchpad in maintenance now?
[01:33] <edgar> it seems that no one is here now
[01:40] <KragenSitaker> Hi.  https://launchpad.net/liveusb/+download is broken; it says to complain here, since the problem is persisting.
[01:40] <functionofxy> anyone else unable to reach bugs.launchpad.net?
[01:41] <KragenSitaker> I'm not sure if this is actually a good idea but I'm here to do my bug-reporting duty!
[01:41] <functionofxy> "Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server."
[01:42] <galathil> I was trying to register a project but I got the "Please try again" page. Overall the site has been very slow today.
[01:46] <cesarb> It is broken because it is slashdotted: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/17/2127254
[01:48] <KragenSitaker> oh, thanks, cesarb
[01:48] <KragenSitaker> so it should spontaneously work again in a couple of hours
[01:48] <KragenSitaker> and we should just hit reload as fast and as hard as possible until then?  (just kidding.)
[01:51] <emgent> please put launchpad usable..
[01:51] <emgent> it is really slow and go in timeout always.
[01:54] <emgent> good night.
[01:54] <pp> hey folks, what's up with the PPA's? my package built successfully, but is "Pending" since about two hours (i.e. not "Published")
[07:35] <tessa_home> Hello.  I'm having trouble using the https://staging.launchpad.net/ site
[07:36] <tessa_home> Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.
[09:21] <det> ppa.launchpad.net is down ?
[09:21] <det> I am unable to use dput
[09:22] <det> "Connection refused"
[09:45] <ripps> is ppa.launchpad.net down? I keep getting  "(111, 'Connection refused')" from dput
[09:47] <lidaobing> ripps, me too
[09:48] <ripps> lidaobing: that makes me a little more comfortable, 'cause that means it's probably not my fault then.
[09:49] <lidaobing> ripps, :-)
[09:58] <ripps> Did I just see tumbleweed roll by?
[10:14] <ripps> hellooOOOOoo...
[10:45] <det> I have same problem
[10:45] <det> (can't upload to launchpad using dput, "connection refused")
[11:21] <petski> same here lidaobing, ripps and det ....
[11:21] <wgrant> cprov: ^^
[11:23] <wgrant> Hopefully he or somebody else will be around within a few hours.
[11:23] <wgrant> Or hopefully somebody will respond to the Nagios alerts that must be flying everywhere. But that seems too optimistic.
[11:27] <petski> !weekend
[11:27] <petski> :(
[11:32] <wgrant> That's right.
[11:44] <ziroday> Hi, I live in Singapore and me and some other users who are trying to bzr pull keep getting 104 errors. Any ideas why?
[11:44] <ziroday> Currently I have to pull from my VPS and then rsync the files over. Very irritating.
[11:59] <petski> ziroday: launchpad's PPA is "down" as well, maybe there's a relation
[11:59] <ziroday> petski: well this has been like for a while now. ~ 2 months
[12:01] <petski> any clues when you add --verbose?
[12:02] <ziroday> petski: sure, gimme a sec
[12:05] <kiko-afk> la la la
[12:05] <kiko-afk> petski, it /was/ down last night -- is it still up?
[12:05] <kiko-afk> ziroday, there's no connection -- 104 errors? what's a 104?
[12:05] <petski> kiko-afk:
[12:05] <petski> pet@workmate:~/work$ nc ppa.launchpad.net 21
[12:05] <petski> ppa.launchpad.net [<IP_ADDRESS>] 21 (ftp) : Connection refused
[12:05] <ziroday> kiko-afk: erm Connection Timed Out or something similar.
[12:05] <kiko-afk> petski, interesting, let me make a phone call then.
[12:06] <petski> thanks kiko
[12:06] <kiko-afk> ziroday, is there a bug filed on this one? it is most likely to be something being filtered on your end
[12:06] <ziroday> kiko-afk: probably, we have some nasty government filters here and such
[12:07] <ziroday> kiko-afk: petski: just waiting for it to fail so I can pastebin the whole lot to  you
[12:08] <kiko-afk> ziroday, so bzr (if using bzr+ssh) uses ssh to pull and push. do you know, is ssh okay for you?
[12:09] <kiko-afk> petski, woke cprov up :-/ he's a bit miffed that we don't know why this is happening but he will look in a little bit
[12:09] <ziroday> kiko-afk: err I'm just using normal bzr as far as I can tell
[12:09] <kiko-afk> petski, since when has it been broken to your knowledge?
[12:09] <kiko-afk> ziroday, sure but exactly how are you pushing or pulling?
[12:09] <ziroday> kiko-afk: by doing $ bzr branch lp:do
[12:10] <kiko-afk> ziroday, which expands to...? bzr+ssh or sftp:?
[12:10] <ziroday> sorry, branching not pulling
[12:10] <kiko-afk> sure
[12:10] <kiko-afk> it's the same more or less
[12:10] <ziroday> kiko-afk: well here is the progress so far http://pastebin.com/mbbb3c53
[12:10] <petski> kiko-afk: well, first time I tried was ~ 11:00 CET
[12:11] <kiko-afk> petski, thanks -- seen anything reported anywhere about this?
[12:11] <petski> ziroday: the clue is in the output
[12:11] <kiko-afk> petski, well, branching should be okay even anonymously
[12:11] <petski> kiko-afk: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/57903
[12:12] <ziroday> petski: I'm not doing writes, only trying to branch
[12:12] <wgrant> kiko-afk: Why didn't people wake up soon after it went down and Nagios told them?
[12:12] <ziroday> petski: and this has been going on for a loong time
[12:13] <kiko-afk> wgrant, nagios only wakes IS up? :)
[12:14] <wgrant> kiko-afk: IS is a member of the people I referred to earlier.
[12:14] <wgrant> Or does IS not control germanium?
[12:15] <kiko-afk> yeah, they do, but I don't know if nagios monitors PPA port 22. you make a good point though, I'll ask RT.
[12:15] <wgrant> s/22/21/?
[12:15] <kiko-afk> wgrant, or maybe it's just that PPA isn't wake-up-IS level
[12:15] <kiko-afk> wgrant, it's sunday. be lenient. :)
[12:15] <wgrant> The open source community lives on weekends!
[12:16] <cprov> e aí, bonitões ?!
[12:17]  * wgrant only speaks English well, unfortunately.
[12:19] <cprov> wgrant: I'm kidding ;) PPA poppy is back !
[12:20] <ripps> Whaha! dput works!
[12:20] <wgrant> cprov: Excellent. Worked out why it died yet?
[12:22] <cprov> wgrant: no, I will dig a little bit more.
[12:23] <kiko-afk> petski, ^^^
[12:24] <kiko-afk> ziroday, okay, it's interesting. it sounds like the problem is actually the connection dropping mid-stream -- meaning it /could/ succeed
[12:24] <petski> ziroday: same command doesn't give any issues here. I think the next step would be to run a sniffer meanwhile, to track down the issue
[12:24] <kiko-afk> petski, I think it's just flakiness
[12:24] <ziroday> kiko-afk: well of course its running just perfectly now :)
[12:24] <kiko-afk> unless we can establish it's always at the exact same spot
[12:25] <ziroday> kiko-afk: it probably is just the nasty government internet. If it errors out again I'll make sure to catch it and come back here
[12:27] <petski> kiko-afk: confirming that PPA works again :) I'll follow up the https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/57903
[12:29] <kiko-afk> thanks!
[12:29] <kiko-afk> will check with IS on RT
[13:20] <kiko-afk> truly afk now, back later
[13:42] <cprov> wgrant: looks like your PPA just got a signing-key. Enjoy it !
[14:56] <maxb> ooh, is the full PPA signing-key generation now churning? Or is it just limited testing still?
[16:24] <AlexC_> g'morning
[17:06] <vadi2> Can loggerhead show me a diff between multiple revisions? Atm I only see how to see a diff of the previous revision only
[17:19] <kfogel> Process question: there are two terms floating around: "merge proposal cover letter" and "PQM commit message".  The first is for when sending a set of commits (created in bzr, sent together as a bundle, you want to give the bundle a cover letter).  The second is for someone to make release notes from the change as recorded in PQM.  (See https://dev.launchpad.net/CoverLetters and https://dev.launchpad.net/PQMCommitMessages).  My quest
[17:19] <kfogel> ion is: aren't these the same thing?  If they're not, what is the difference?
[17:27] <Rocket2DMn> just out of curiosity, what is going on with LP, it's been acting up
[17:29] <kfogel> Rocket2DMn: "acting up"?
[17:29] <kfogel> There were some PPA problems fixed yesterday or today, IIRC, but other than that I don't know about anything.
[17:29] <spitfire_> epsy: how do you uʍop-ǝpısdn ǝʇıɹʍ
[17:29] <Rocket2DMn> kfogel, ive been getting some errors
[17:30] <epsy> just write upside-down
[17:30] <spitfire_> how?
[17:30] <spitfire_> :P
[17:30] <spitfire_> upside-down doesn't work :P
[17:30] <epsy> it does!
[17:30] <mdke> vadi2: see the "Compare with another revision" button at the top of the page. I don't know whether it works because firefox crashes each time I click on it, but it seems to describe what you want
[17:30] <spitfire_> how?
[17:31] <james_w> kfogel: they are separate as there is no automatic mechanism to transform one in to the other. They will have slightly different audiences too. Seeding the PQM commit message from the cover letter might be a good idea though.
[17:33] <spitfire_> epsy: how?
[17:33] <epsy> damn, won't you get it? JUST WRITE UPSIDE-DOWN!
[17:33] <kfogel> spitfire_: I'd very much like to know how you did that :-).
[17:34] <kfogel> james_w: thx
[17:35] <spitfire_> UPSIDE-DOWN upside-down
[17:35] <spitfire_> epsy: great
[17:35] <spitfire_> epsy: I don't see it working.
[17:35] <spitfire_> kfogel: i didn't
[17:35] <spitfire_> kfogel: epsy did
[17:36] <spitfire_> I've only copied that:P
[17:36] <epsy> ubottu: google flip text
[17:36] <spitfire_> ubottu: google "flip text"
[17:36] <kfogel> epsy, spitfire_: ¡sʞuɐɥʇ
[17:37] <spitfire_> kfogel: how:P ?
[17:37] <spitfire_> bɯo
[17:38] <spitfire_> ʎsdǝ .xɥʇ ¡sʞɹoʍ ʇı
[17:39] <epsy> ubottu: list
[17:58] <sits> is launchpad still broken due to slashdot? ( http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/01/18/%23launchpad.html )
[17:58] <sits> and should the error message not quite be centred properly?
[18:02]  * ScottK thought Launchpad was broken due to Launchpad?
[18:05] <PaSzCzUs> hello
[18:05] <sits> ScottK: oh
[18:05] <PaSzCzUs> i`m still getting message:
[18:05] <PaSzCzUs>  Please try again
[18:05] <PaSzCzUs> Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.
[18:05] <PaSzCzUs>  Try reloading this page in a minute or two. If the problem persists, let us know in the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode.
[18:05] <PaSzCzUs> Thanks for your patience.
[18:05] <PaSzCzUs> i`m trying to add a bug in pld-linux for about 30 minutes !
[18:06] <PaSzCzUs> and still cannot do that
[18:06] <doctormo> Er, is launchpad down today?
[18:07] <PaSzCzUs> doctormo: no, it just sux , but not only today
[18:07] <PaSzCzUs> ;)
[18:07] <doctormo> PaSzCzUs: smart arse
[18:07] <PaSzCzUs> doctormo: i am trying to add bug for about 30 minutes
[18:07] <PaSzCzUs> so i`m pretty angry
[18:07] <ScottK> Today is worse than usual.
[18:08] <sven> it seems so
[18:08] <blueyed> Launchpad down?
[18:08] <doctormo> PaSzCzUs: I actually think the devel features are quite good,
[18:08] <doctormo> Well I keep on getting "Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server. "
[18:08]  * blueyed too
[18:08] <PaSzCzUs> yep
[18:09] <ralph> Getting "Try reloading this page in a minute or two. If the problem persists, let us know in the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode." for    https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/222458
[18:10] <ralph> Getting it repeatedly, that is.  Not just once.
[18:10]  * ST47 can't access bugs.launchpad.net "sorrt, there was a problem connecting to the launchpad server. Try reloading this page in a minute or two. If the problem persists, let us know here"
[18:10] <PaSzCzUs> ralph: you are not tha one
[18:10] <jauntytester> hi! launchpad is down. is there an irc-channel, where i can post minor jaunty bugs?
[18:10] <ralph> If it's a known problem, perhaps someone can change the channel's topic or chanserv's welcome message?
[18:11] <blueyed> jauntytester: no, please keep them in e.g. a text file and post them later..
[18:11] <linkmaster03> launchpad down for anyone else?
[18:11] <jauntytester> jep
[18:11] <Evergete> for me is down
[18:11] <linkmaster03> ok
[18:12] <shirish> hi all, launchpad doesn't seem to be responding
[18:12] <ScottK> jauntytester: Not really.
[18:12] <jauntytester> i know
[18:12] <jauntytester> but it says, it's down
[18:14] <shirish> ScottK: http://pastebin.com/f692f21fe
[18:14] <jauntytester> do you guys think, it would be a good idea to donate an appilicationserver to launchpad?
[18:14] <shirish> this is what its saying
[18:14] <shirish> jauntytester: I believe they are waiting for some hardware to come in, atleast that's what I read somewhere.
[18:15] <shirish> ScottK: if you can or know who the channel admin, atleast change the topic so users know its down for some reason or the other.
[18:17] <attila> does launchpad translations page has a problem??
[18:17] <blueyed> attila: yes, LP.net seems to be down..
[18:17] <jauntytester> we have got an hp with 8 intel quadcores but only 6 gb ddr3-ram. we can't use it ... i will try to convince my colleges to donate that thing
[18:17] <DxC> ah yeah, seems I'm not the first to report it
[18:18] <attila> it f**ed up my translations
[18:18] <attila> :(
[18:19] <blueyed> attila: keep the browser window open and try re-submitting it (press F5, which should inform you about re-POSTing the data)
[18:19] <blueyed> ..but it may take a while until LP.net is up again..
[18:19] <attila> tired to enter lp again
[18:20] <attila> everytihing should be lost
[18:20] <blueyed> attila: so, you don't have the window open anymore?
[18:20] <attila> I will translate them again
[18:20] <attila> i have
[18:20] <attila> but entered address www.launchpad.net again
[18:21] <attila>  Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.
[18:21] <attila> Try reloading this page in a minute or two. If the problem persists, let us know in the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode.
[18:21] <blueyed> attila: then, maybe going back will try the re-POST-thingy.
[18:21] <attila> is written on the page
[18:21] <attila> ok i will try
[18:21] <blueyed> attila: yes, we know.. it's just about saving/keeping your work now..
[18:22] <attila> thanks for help
[18:22] <blueyed> attila: it won't work currently, but when lp.net is up again, you could re-POST the translations.
[18:22] <attila> if i can not
[18:22] <blueyed> attila: np
[18:22] <attila> then will do the job again
[18:22] <attila> no way :)
[18:23] <jauntytester> shirish: we will ask some guy at launchpad if it's compatible
[18:26] <shirish> jauntytester: post that on the launchpadusers mailing list, there is possibility that somebody from launchpad may be interested, although dunno about shipping and all that stuff.
[18:26] <jauntytester> lol that thing is havy as hell ;)
[18:38] <linkmaster03> lp is back :D
[19:27] <gsuveg> re
[20:13] <wgrant> cprov-afk: Awesome! However, I suspect that you want to recommend in documentation that owners should sign the key after verifying the fingerprint.
[20:27] <cprov-afk> wgrant: yes, but it's not strictly necessary since the public keys are in the keyservers web.
[20:39] <wgrant> cprov-afk: Also, is there a way to force dirtying of pockets without copying and deleting into each distroseries (say, through the API like branches)?
[20:40] <wgrant> (it's useful when people change their username, and it'd be nice to use it now...)
[20:43] <encbladexp> hello @all
[20:43] <encbladexp> i have one Small Question about the SVN Sync in Launchpad for https://code.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/pyneighborhood/trunk
[20:45] <wgrant> !ask | encbladexp
[20:45] <encbladexp> ;-)
[20:46] <encbladexp> okay, how long tokes it to get a working SVN Sync for my small Project (using SVN)
[20:47] <wgrant> You need a VCS imports operator approve it for you. That normally happens within a working day or two.
[20:47] <wgrant> And you need to not be using an awful svn server like Google Code, but you look good for that.
[20:47] <encbladexp> hmm, i see some Project waiting for 34 Weeks or more for beeing Approved
[20:48] <encbladexp> i have my own SVN Server (since 2 Weeks), the old SourceForge Server was very slow (and sometimes offline)
[20:50] <wgrant> encbladexp: In most cases the old unapproved ones probably had a problem found with them. But that's just speculation and a bit of looking at the whiteboards of old ones.
[20:51]  * wgrant must now run off to work.
[20:55] <encbladexp> ok, thx for the Infos
[20:55] <thumper> encbladexp: I'll look now for you
[20:55] <johanbr> Hi guys. The "Resulting binaries" links on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/2.25.4-1ubuntu1/+build/841142 are broken. Is this a launchpad bug or something else?
[20:56] <thumper> pyneighborhood import approved
[20:57] <thumper> johanbr: my stab in the dark is that it isn't LPs fault
[20:58] <johanbr> thumper: Alright. By the way, the same thing happens for the previous version of the package, built several weeks ago. In case that gives a hint.
[20:58] <thumper> johanbr: sorry I don't know much about PPAs
[20:59] <johanbr> ot
[20:59] <johanbr> crap
[20:59] <thumper> or soyus as a whole
[20:59] <johanbr> I meant to write "it's not a ppa"
[20:59] <thumper> Yeah, just noticed that too
[20:59] <thumper> still, the builders that are used are pretty robust
[20:59] <thumper> so if there are broken binaries, chances are there is broken code
[21:00] <thumper> I guess it could be a dependancy problem ...
[21:00] <johanbr> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/2.25.4-1ubuntu1 says the package was built successfully
[21:00]  * thumper waves hands
[21:00] <thumper> johanbr: sorry, really don't know
[21:00] <johanbr> Okay. Thanks anyway.
[21:02] <encbladexp> thumper: Thanks :-D
[21:02] <thumper> encbladexp: np
[21:02]  * encbladexp sets status to: Happy *g*
[21:03] <encbladexp> Launchpad goes OSS, i there any Chance of Direct SVN (or hg, or git) Support?
[21:05] <thumper> encbladexp: unlikely
[21:05] <thumper> although we are going to get git imports soon
[21:05] <thumper> using bzr-git
[21:05] <thumper> I say unlikely at this stage
[21:05] <thumper> as with any large project, change takes time
[21:07] <encbladexp> the future may show
[21:30] <leoquant> whois leoquant
[21:30] <leoquant> ?
[21:37] <djsiegel1> Hi, is there any way to link my revisions to my LP identity after the fact?
[21:37] <djsiegel1> I just realized that most of the revisions I've ever made are not linked to me.
[21:41] <spm> djsiegel1: I believe no. Had a similar problem myself from importing from the original SVN repo into bzr.
[21:41] <thumper> djsiegel1: it depends
[21:41] <thumper> djsiegel1: if your revision author property had an email address in it
[21:42] <thumper> djsiegel1: then if you let Launchpad know that the email is linked to you, then the revisions get linked to you
[21:42] <djsiegel1> No, it did not, unfortunately.
[21:42] <thumper> djsiegel1: in that case, no, sorry
[21:43] <djsiegel1> Why is my SSH key not sufficient to establish my identity?
[21:44] <thumper> djsiegel1: since bzr is a distributed VCS, just because you push changes up, doesn't mean that you made them
[21:44] <djsiegel1> Ah, I see.
[21:44] <thumper> we do the best we can to confirm
[22:01] <maxb> woo, PPA keys are starting to show up on keyserver.ubuntu.com
[22:01] <maxb> Looks like it could be *quite* a while before the process is complete, though, based on the present rate
[22:24] <lpd79> Hi. I am trying to customize / backport a kernel (linux_2.6.27-9.19.dsc)
[22:25] <lpd79> My goal is to update some ALSA stuff, upload the modified source to my PPA, and have the PPA compile the kernel image (ideally, a single configuration instead of generic/server/virtual)
[22:25] <lpd79> What is the best way to go about this? Any pointers? There are many tutorials on using make-kpkg, but none on modifying a linux-* source package
[22:26] <lpd79> Of course I want the new kernel and modules not to conflict with the initial package
[22:29] <kiko-afk> lpd79, so...
[22:30] <wgrant> johanbr: Because the binaries are in NEW, they don't have a Launchpad page yet. The bug was fixed yesterday; if you look on edge (https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/2.25.4-1ubuntu1/+build/841142) you'll see they're no longer linked.
[22:31] <kiko-afk> lpd79, easiest way to do it is to grab the standard kernel source
[22:31] <kiko-afk> lpd79, modify it, modify the changes and then upload it to your ppa
[22:32] <wgrant> kiko-afk: Ehehe, it's a bit more special than that.
[22:32] <wgrant> The ABI checking breaks everything, and it takes approximately far too long to build all of the flavours. There is a special PPA mode you can set.
[22:32] <kiko-afk> wgrant, really?
[22:33] <wgrant> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
[22:33] <wgrant> Yes. It's really broken.
[22:33] <kiko-afk> wgrant, what PPA mode?
[22:33] <wgrant> AUTOBUILD, sorry.
[22:34] <wgrant> That does something magical with the ABI suffix.
[22:34] <wgrant> And makes builds not fail.
[22:35] <lpd79> AUTOBUILD=1 NOEXTRAS=1 fakeroot debian/rules binary-FLAVOUR ?
[22:35] <lpd79> But this seems to create binary packages -- I want to create a *_source.changes that I can upload to my PPA?
[22:36] <wgrant> You have to build the source and get the build to set those flags. Somebody must have done it before; Google around or check other PPAs.
[22:36] <wgrant> (debuild -S will build the source for you)
[22:36] <johanbr> wgrant: I see. Thank you.
[22:40] <lpd79> Thanks, of course debuild should do the trick (duh moment...). I've Googled quite a bit, but there isn't much about creating custom kernel source packages
[22:41] <lpd79> The tricky part is modifying the kernel package name (so it doesn't look like an upgrade to dpkg) and the vmlinuz-* name (so I don't override other modules and images)
[22:42] <lpd79> This stuff seems to be spread in many places in the debian/ directory
[23:47] <wgrant> How long should it take after a branch rename for it to show up under that URL in loggerhead?
[23:49] <jml> wgrant: ~1-2 minutes.
[23:51] <wgrant> jml: It took several minutes longer than that, but it does work now. Thanks.
[23:51] <jml> wgrant: hmm.
[23:51] <jml> wgrant: we've got a change in the pipeline that drops it down to ~1s (give or take replication lag).
[23:57] <wgrant> jml: How does it work now? mod_rewrite rules updated regularly?
[23:59] <jml> wgrant: basically.


[14:26] <sabhain> Shadow_X: I'm using Schedules Direct, and the data provided is complete.  I have a test backend that is populating everything correctly, but for some reason my production backend has one channel which shows no guide data for a few days and then picks back up.
[14:26] <sabhain> all of my efforts (--refresh-all, dd-file ...) etc have thus far gone unrewarded.
[14:52] <sabhain> one other thing .. any HD-PVR users in the house?
[16:48] <tgm4883> sabhain, does the XMLID of the channel match between your test system and production system?
[17:02] <sabhain> tgm4883, yes it does.  It's really strange.  It feels similar to the problem that occurs if you don't kick the backend after a DST time shift.
[17:02] <sabhain> just sorts itself out a few days down the road.
[17:02] <tgm4883> sabhain, I don't have to kick my backend after a DST time shift
[17:03] <sabhain> I do always, but only for 2 or 3 of my digital channels.  Most of them sync correctly, but theres a few of the OTA digital channels which stay an hour off until I restart the backend.
[17:03] <sabhain> restart mythtv-backend .. I never have to actually restart the server
[17:03] <tgm4883> weird
[17:04] <tgm4883> and there isn't anything in the mythfilldb log?
[17:06] <sabhain> that is an oddity.  doesn't appear that log has been touched in a long time.  Did it move from /var/log/mythtv?
[17:06] <tgm4883> sabhain, nope. Were you talking to upstream about this a few days ago?
[17:08] <sabhain> tgm4883, nope .. other than dropping a ticket on SchedulesDirect, I haven't done much.
[17:08] <tgm4883> interesting
[17:08] <sabhain> why would my log be completely empty for the past 14 months?
[17:09] <tgm4883> sabhain, are you on 0.25 or 0.26?
[17:11] <sabhain> tgm4883, I believe I'm on .24.1+fixes
[17:11] <tgm4883> hmm ok
[17:11]  * sabhain has been putting upgrades off for a long time (it just works!)
[17:11] <tgm4883> not sure why it doesn't list anything in that log then
[17:12] <tgm4883> you could check /etc/rsyslog.d/40-mythtv.conf
[17:12] <tgm4883> see if it's going somewhere special
[17:13] <sabhain> 40-mythtv.conf not in that location
[17:14] <sabhain> file not on the system
[17:14] <tgm4883> ok, we must have added that after 0.25 then
[17:14] <sabhain> is an upgrade path from 10.04 LTS to 12.04 LTS feasible?
[17:14] <tgm4883> so running 'mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all' doesn't fix it?
[17:14] <sabhain> tgm4883: no
[17:15] <tgm4883> sabhain, but it prints to the screen right? you could pipe it to a log file 'mythfilldatabase --dd-grab-all > sdgrab.log'
[17:15] <tgm4883> then see if there is any issues in there
[17:16] <sabhain> ok, I'll try that now
[17:30] <sabhain> tgm4883: so that time, it populated everything fine.  the log is pretty minimal and there's no warnings or errors.
[17:34] <tgm4883> sabhain, hmm, what options are you using with mythfilldatabase normally?
[17:37] <sabhain> tgm4883 I had been doing a --refresh-all when I did any CLI hacking.  Not sure what the standard options are (I wouldn't have changed them from the distribution settings).
[17:37] <sabhain> but I'm quite certain I ran the --dd-grab-all yesterday, with no luck.
[17:38] <tgm4883> sabhain, the defaults are now --dd-grab-all, but they weren't before (in 10.04). I recommend using it as it downloads the full schedule every run.
[17:38] <tgm4883> sabhain, the channel in question, you mentioned that is an OTA channel?
[17:38] <sabhain> it's available as OTA, but I happen to be grabbing it over clear QAM via cable.
[17:39] <sabhain> tgm4883 is that setting in the backend setup then?
[17:39] <tgm4883> sabhain, yea it's in the backend setup. Also check if you have EIT enabled for that card
[17:40] <sabhain> tgm4883, EIT should be disabled for any card using schedules direct, right?
[17:40] <tgm4883> yep
[17:44] <sabhain> tgm4883, thanks so much for your help.  One more thing I can cross off the list.  Do you have any opinion on upgrading from 10.04 to 12.04 or fresh install?
[17:45] <tgm4883> sabhain, I ususally do a fresh install myself. Backing up the database and restoring it
[17:45] <sabhain> it's an older installation (operating 6+ years I think) and I've upgraded at least once before
[17:45] <tgm4883> all my recordings etc are on my NAS, so it's pretty easy for me
[17:46] <sabhain> but I'm getting a few compounding issues (multiple second delay at the top & bottom of the hour) .. this now solved schedule issue
[17:47] <sabhain> I'm just not certain I'm ready to give up on diskless frontends .. and from what I read, that's not a working item any longer
[17:48] <tgm4883> sabhain, at some point, I'd try to get to 12.04. We aren't doing 0.26 builds for 10.04 (technical reasons) and 12.04 is the next LTS
[17:48] <sabhain> tgm4883, and you'd recommend skipping from 0.24 right to 0.26?  No database issues?
[17:49] <tgm4883> 0.26 should be able to upgrade a 0.24 db without issues.
[17:49] <tgm4883> still, i always recommend a DB backup
[17:49] <sabhain> are the mythbuntu faq's on DB backup/restore up to date?
[17:50] <tgm4883> sabhain, we've got mythbuntu faq's on that?
[17:50] <sabhain> I think there used to be .. maybe I'm wrong
[17:51] <tgm4883> if we did, we just linked to the mythtv wiki
[17:51] <tgm4883> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore
[18:05]  * sabhain wants to be laga in his next life and restore the diskless stuff to its awesomeness of 10.04
[18:14] <tgm4883> sabhain, then the first step, would be joining #ubuntu-mythtv-dev
[18:17] <sabhain> tgm4883, lol then step 0 would be to have time and learn programming beyond F90
[18:19] <tgm4883> sabhain, possibly. I didn't know python though before I started helping out
[19:42] <superm1> sabhain: more than anything if you want to help get diskless into great shape again it's shell and python and patching packages.  it's achievable just by reading code out there and trying to understand how it works and where you can fit in patches
[19:56] <sabhain> superm1 & tgm4883: I'm interested to do this.  It may be some weeks before I can pick it up.  I think I have the pieces of hardware available to debug without totally borking my production system.
[19:57] <sabhain> superm1 & tgm4883: I need to navigate through the upgrade to 12.04 and finish out the addition of an HD-PVR to my setup (that is done once I sort out why the HD-PVR can't tune channels after recording a show).
[19:59] <sabhain> superm1 & tgm4883: about that time, my wife should be heading back to work and our schedule will be getting back to normal, including being able to have the system in various states of disrepair during the daytime.
[19:59] <superm1> cool, well whenever you get time, we're around
[19:59] <superm1> we're not doing another release until 14.04, so that's where this work you do will land
[20:00] <superm1> (other than point releases with extra hardware support)
[20:00] <tgm4883> well it's diskless, so it would be in all releases since it's a MCC plugin
[20:00] <sabhain> superm1 & tgm4883: one question I do have is how / where to maintain what I have working now for comparison.  In 10.04 anyway, the hardest part about diskless was getting the DHCP arguments (PXE ... etc.) correct.  Once you had that, it "just worked."
[20:01] <sabhain> so since I have a fully working 10.04 with diskless, do I need to maintain that, or is having access to the old scripts sufficient?
[20:01] <superm1> sabhain: well i think that depends on what exactly you have in mind of doing
[20:01] <superm1> you can easily capture everything in /etc if you want to refer back to settings
[20:02] <sabhain> my understanding in what I've been playing with the past couple of weeks is that the ltsp setup is the altered pipe that may need to be restored.
[20:02] <superm1> but everything else in /usr and such should be available in packages
[20:03] <sabhain> superm1: I think the value add here would be to get back to the point where building the images with the --mythbuntu argument works.  But that might be with ltsp and not mythbuntu?
[20:03] <superm1> well that's doable, the ltsp packages would probably need patching
[20:04] <superm1> mythbuntu exists within the ubuntu archive, there's plenty of stuff we don't directly ship but that needs patching to work for how we want to use it though
[20:04] <superm1> i think if you could get it to the point that it's a command or two to deploy a mythbuntu specific LTSP setup that would be ideal
[20:04] <superm1> ltsp-build-client --mythbuntu or something like that
[20:04] <sabhain> if we could get that functioning again, I think it'd restore the diskless frontends in 12.04, which to my tinkering isn't quite workable.
[20:05] <sabhain> agree entirely on that.  I'll try and start setting aside the time to read.
[20:05] <superm1> cool
[20:05] <tgm4883> and I'm sure that if you want to work on that, we've got developers in the dev channel that can answer any mythbuntu specific questions you have
[20:05] <tgm4883> not sure any of us use the ltsp stuff though
[20:06] <superm1> i used to use it
[20:07] <tgm4883> "used to"
[20:07] <superm1> well i mean i used to have an LTSP frontend setup
[20:07] <sabhain> right .. but there do appear to be a handful of people snooping around on the forums about it, and there was someone here last week right when I started coming back in.
[20:07] <superm1> it worked out really well actually
[20:08] <sabhain> it's awesome.  I know it's really easy (and now cheap) to do something on a jump drive .. but the ltsp really made my home setup sing.
[20:09] <sabhain> a guy here .. whyzzard?? .. last week was trying to figure out how to upgrade his diskless frontend w/ a slave backend.  That hadn't even occured to me to try.
[20:56] <qwebirc21299> quick question...how do I change logging back to /var/log/mythtv instead of syslog with myth 0.26?
[20:58] <superm1> qwebirc21299: it should have transitioned you, but you need to reboot after upgrade or restart rsyslogd
[20:59] <qwebirc21299> I've rebooted a bunch of times since upgrading to 0.26...but I'm still seeing myth messages in syslog
[21:00] <qwebirc21299> looks like mythbackend is started with --syslog local7 --user mythtv
[21:01] <superm1> qwebirc21299: and there should be a bunch of files that configure rsyslog to log to /var/log/mythtv
[21:01] <superm1>  /etc/rsyslog.d/40-mythtv.conf
[21:02] <qwebirc21299> I see that file on my server....should I look for something specific inside?
[21:03] <superm1> well that's the file that we ship that should cause it to log to /var/log/mythtv files
[21:04] <superm1> what are the permissions on the files in /var/log/mythtv?
[21:04] <superm1> they should all be owned by syslog:adm
[21:04] <qwebirc21299> looks like maybe it's only mythlogserver messages that I'm seeing in syslog
[21:04] <superm1> that's possible, we might be missing something to log those out to /var/log/mythtv
[21:05] <qwebirc21299> I don't see an entry in 40-mythtv.conf for mythlogserver...I think my confusion is also just learning the new system
[21:07] <qwebirc21299> maybe my question should be how do I turn on logging for mythcommflag....I just assumed it was going to syslog
[21:09] <superm1> i think it can only be turned on for manual runs http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythcommflag
[21:09] <superm1> so if you run it on a program by hand you can run it with logging flags
[21:11] <qwebirc21299> ah...so the same --syslog local7 should send to a file?
[21:14] <superm1> i think so
[21:16] <whyzzyrd> evening. Please can someone suggest how to upgrade 11.10 mythbuntu diskless frontend/slave backends to 12.04 LTS, whilst keeping them diskless.
[21:16] <tgm4883> sabhain, ^
[21:17] <whyzzyrd> spoke to sabhain before, a week or so back
[21:18] <tgm4883> whyzzyrd, I'm going to say he is the expert on it, only because none of the developers use diskless
[21:18] <sabhain> whyzzyrd .. hope you're well.  I've been slugging through some of those links we exchanged.  Not much luck here yet, I'm afraid.
[21:19] <whyzzyrd> I've been farking about with ltsp fat clients, to find that so much has changed, that unless I build an entire test setup, I can't keep my old stuff working alongside anything I'm trying
[21:19] <whyzzyrd> which means that it's annoying swmbo
[21:19] <sabhain> hoping to dig deeper into things in a few weeks .. that's the earliest I can get around to this.  I'm in need of maintaining the WAF on the production end of things also.
[21:19] <whyzzyrd> indeed
[21:20] <sabhain> i'm determined to keep diskless .. and to adopt your setup of diskless slave backends
[21:20] <whyzzyrd> I looked at minimyth, but I'd really rather have the overlay model of being able to log into the client, edit a file, and not have it disappear over a reboot
[21:20] <sabhain> ^ this
[21:21] <sabhain> very important to me .. seems to me it's the way it should always be.
[21:21] <whyzzyrd> I suppose I've got used to it being that way too, and I'm not sure why anyone would want to "unsupport" that..
[21:22] <sabhain> my read of it is that no one elected to "unsupport" as much as the mythbuntu frontend thing wasn't moving quickly to stay with the LTSP as it was iterating.
[21:23] <whyzzyrd> I got the impression that there was the feeling that nobody used it either..
[21:24] <tgm4883> what actually happened was, laga was the one who wrote all the ltsp stuff for us. He left for university and nobody else picked it up.
[21:24] <tgm4883> MCC also went though a rewrite, so the plugin no longer worked with it
[21:25] <tgm4883> well, technically, the plugin didn't exist
[21:28] <whyzzyrd> where did he go to uni?
[21:29] <tgm4883> whyzzyrd, somewhere in germany
[21:29] <whyzzyrd> cool
[21:31] <whyzzyrd> even if one were to fix it, MCC wouldn't get updated until the next LTS release?
[21:32] <tgm4883> MCC gets updated every release
[21:32] <tgm4883> we don't release ISO's until the next LTS, but anyone can install MCC and configure Mythbuntu from a default install
[21:33] <whyzzyrd> anyone any idea how much work it'd be to fix?
[21:33] <whyzzyrd> I don't mean just fix-up the boot scripts, which appear to be foo because nbd-client's syntax has changed
[21:36] <whyzzyrd> ok, next stupid question. was the --mythbuntu switches in the mainline ltsp package, or in a mythbuntu-specific build of the ltsp tree?
[21:39] <sabhain> I was *never* able to use the MCC stuff.  I did my setup entirely commandline.
[21:40] <whyzzyrd> I did mine all commandline too :)
[21:40] <whyzzyrd> but then I'm old school
[21:40] <sabhain> is there any other school?
[21:40] <whyzzyrd> doubt it
[21:43] <whyzzyrd> I have a distinct feeling though that this'll never be supported again
[21:43] <tgm4883> whyzzyrd, IDK where it was. It would have had to be in the repos, so possibly part of mainline ltsp
[21:43] <whyzzyrd> it was taken out of the ubuntu ltsp packages effectively 3 release ago
[21:43] <whyzzyrd> tgm4883, it was in mainlain
[21:43] <whyzzyrd> urk
[21:44] <whyzzyrd> mainline
[21:44] <tgm4883> whyzzyrd, well, the only way it's going to be supported is to get something to A) fix it up so it works on current versions, and B) support it
[21:45] <whyzzyrd> tgm4883, the support aspect has always put me off.
[21:45] <tgm4883> why?
[21:46] <whyzzyrd> tgm4883, releasing anything under anything more than the buggeroff license implies having time to do something about it.
[21:46] <whyzzyrd> I presume you're familiar with the buggeroff license?
[21:46] <tgm4883> I can gather what it means
[21:47] <sabhain> whyzzyrd are you someone capable of putting a dent in "A" ?
[21:49] <whyzzyrd> depends how much coding it would take
[21:49]  * whyzzyrd isn't the world's most fantastic coder either
[21:50] <whyzzyrd> I'll check out a copy of the old packages, and take a look
[21:51]  * whyzzyrd runs networks etc for a living
[21:52] <sabhain> i'm game to learn a bit and maybe help debug and then support
[21:52]  * sabhain runs networks for fun.  Designs orthopaedics for a living
[21:54] <tgm4883> sabhain, mind if I quote something you said earlier
[21:54] <sabhain> tgm4883 have at it
[21:54] <tgm4883> sabhain, thanks
[21:54] <whyzzyrd> tgm4883, what are you quoting ?
[21:55] <tgm4883> whyzzyrd, it's for a blog post
[21:55] <tgm4883> * sabhain wants to be laga in his next life and restore the diskless stuff to its awesomeness of 10.04
 sabhain, then the first step, would be joining #ubuntu-mythtv-dev
 tgm4883, lol then step 0 would be to have time and learn programming beyond F90
 sabhain, possibly. I didn't know python though before I started helping out
[21:56] <whyzzyrd> someone facebooked a colleague the other day with some quote about deep-frying his salad..
[21:57] <sabhain> deep fried kale could be good
[21:57] <whyzzyrd> in a tempura batter
[21:57] <whyzzyrd> but then, like the onion rings our local chip shop does, mighty tasty, but terrible for the waistline.
[21:59] <whyzzyrd> I suspect that part of my problem came that my hobby became my degree, became my job..
[21:59] <sabhain> cobbler's kids ...
[22:00] <whyzzyrd> that a bit like mechanic's cars?
[22:00] <sabhain> aye
[22:01] <whyzzyrd> I'm off to go look at the source pacakges for ltsp from oneric
[22:01] <sabhain> drives my wife nuts that I suck at preventative maintenance on the cars, but I'll gladly dive into the forums and sort out how to change an air suspension in my garage to save a few hundred quid
[22:02] <whyzzyrd> ahh, but by the time you've counted your time, did it save you anything?
[22:04] <whyzzyrd> I must admit, I tend to only do things to cars now to show the kids how
[22:05] <tgm4883> whyzzyrd, relevant http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2839
[22:06] <whyzzyrd> tgm4883, http://xkcd.com/418/
[22:06] <tgm4883> nice
[22:12] <whyzzyrd> well, the mythbuntu plugin for ltsp looks relatively simple (ie it's a shell script)
[22:13] <whyzzyrd> now to fetch the rest.
[22:17] <whyzzyrd> mythbuntu-diskless is still in raring
[22:20] <whyzzyrd> ls
[22:20] <sabhain> whyzzyrd usually yes.  Air springs on the back of the wife's kids mobile saved me probably $800 on a 1.5 hour job.  Took longer to jack stand the car than it did to replace them.
[22:20] <sabhain> and unless you have a terrible time breaking a bolt free .. you should always come out way ahead on brake work.
[22:21] <whyzzyrd> yeah, brake disks and pads are a doddle normally
[22:22] <whyzzyrd> used to regularly change engines too :)
[22:23] <whyzzyrd> friend had a kit car, and the radiator wasn't up to cooling the extra heat the (not recommended) turbocharger produced.
[22:24] <whyzzyrd> hence a perpetual stream of rebuilding and skimming and swapping etc.
[22:52] <whyzzyrd> heh, ltsp documentation is very opaque
[22:53] <sabhain> check in with everyone tomorrow
[22:57] <whyzzyrd> ltsp moved on a number of versions very quickly
[23:17] <whyzzyrd> right, it's getting too late to do anything more, so I'll take a look tomorrow.


[00:11] <zequence> The Ubuntu phone version was announced https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LoXpLUr5WB4
[00:15] <zequence> I'm not at all convinced about the UI, but it's cool if you can install anything you want on it
[00:18] <ttoine> zequence, the UI is more "I don't want it to look like the other to avoid law and patents problems" with the left panel of unity
[00:20] <ttoine> ScottL, I changed to everybody
[00:20] <ttoine><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[00:20] <ttoine> sorry about that...
[00:51] <ScottL> zequence, do you have a preferred email to send you admin invite?
[00:54] <ScottL> i think i got ttoine set up, zequence please let me know if you do not receive an invite
[03:47] <ScottL> oh, i almost forgot, len-1304 , i've been thinking about shotwell
[03:49] <ScottL> i think that digikam is useful for importing raw pictures and updating/setting the EXIM data for the pictures, i'm not sure that shotwell can do that
[03:49] <ScottL> i'm speculating that shotwell is more "pedestrian" rather than for professionals in that sense
[03:50] <ScottL> perhaps shotwell could be in the desktop meta and digikam (or whatever else is decided) can go into the photo meta
[03:50] <ScottL> but i'm thinking through the work flow still to see what is needed
[04:54] <Len-nb> ScottL, I was mainly adding notes just so the where we are now to where we want to go has some record.
[04:55] <Len-nb> Adding apps is fine, but if we have where we've been we can remember to remove stuff no longer needed.
[04:56] <Len-nb> So when we start moving from white board to blueprint things can be solid.
[04:58] <holstein> darktable is the most like lightroom
[04:58] <holstein> not that that matters
[04:58] <holstein> i like that idea ScottL
[04:59] <holstein> shotwell in the desktp and digikam and/or lightroom on the phto
[04:59] <holstein> what does xubuntu ship? shotwell?
[05:01] <ScottL> Len-nb, i should be writing up the photography work flow on the wiki or website, hopefully that will help people understand as well
[05:01] <ScottL> holstein, i'm not sure what xubuntu ships, my laptop (which i'm using now) was actually a vanilla install with xubuntu-desktop put on top of it
[05:02] <holstein> i think we should ship whatever they have
[05:02] <holstein> and then decide what tool or tools to ship for the pro side
[05:02] <holstein> doesnt have to be just one
[05:03] <holstein> darktable is the big one right now though, since its light-room like
[05:03] <Len-nb> holstein, xubuntu has been shipping less every release to keep things on a CD
[05:30] <Len-nb> holstein, xubutu uses gthumb and ristretto
[05:30] <ScottL> that's kinda funny to me because i seem to remember that the -releaes team was talking about moving away from cd size images, but i might be misremembering
[05:31] <Len-nb> xubutu may have their own ideas
[05:31] <Len-nb> my 12.04 says it has ristretto in it but I don't see it in the menu
[05:32] <Len-nb> Ah, accessories.
[05:42] <Len-nb> It has problems with png files, but is fine with jpg.
[07:04] <zequence> ScottL: I had another email adress before. I changed it to the one you used, so please try adding me again
[11:48] <ttoine> ScottL, thanks ! I found another facebook page : https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ubuntu-Studio/277602442279689
[11:49] <ttoine> you know what it is ?
[11:49] <ttoine> and second question, where can I find svg logos of ubuntu studio ?
[12:30] <zequence-w> ttoine: We should put together the material for theming, which we can use for all sites
[12:30] <zequence-w> Perhaps put up a bzr branch for it
[12:32] <ttoine> zequence, or like xubuntu, make a page on the website
[12:33] <zequence-w> ttoine: That would probably be better, yes
[12:34] <zequence-w> ttoine: That fb page you linked is not ours, but they are using png's from our website
[12:35] <zequence-w> Made by me, in fact :P
[12:35] <ttoine> zequence, oh ok
[12:35] <ttoine> I just get some artwork from wikipedia
[12:36] <ttoine> just check https://www.facebook.com/Ubuntustudio
[12:36] <ttoine> zequence, can you send the banner you used for your ubuntu studio page so that I can integrate it ?
[12:37] <ttoine> zequence-w
[12:38] <ttoine> I will have to be carefull for the -w
[12:38] <zequence-w> ttoine: Knome is responsible for the page layout. The banner you can download, if you right click at it
[12:38] <zequence-w> knome is the author of the theme
[12:39] <zequence-w> ttoine: We'll probably redo the banner though
[12:39] <zequence-w> I'd like to add the slogan "Linux for creative humans"
[12:39] <ttoine> zequence, the banner of the facebook page
[12:39] <ttoine> zequence-w
[12:39] <ttoine> me too
[12:40] <zequence-w> ah, sorry. I noticed the banner could not be viewed easily from the web page
[12:41] <zequence-w> ttoine: I'm not an artist, but I could make a new version of the banner. We should probably have one with and one without the round logo
[12:41] <zequence-w> For the fb page, since we use the round logo for the profile pic, we don't need it in the banner
[12:42] <zequence-w> In fact, the plan was to polish the front page for the web site a bit
[12:43] <zequence-w> I've set up a staging site for us
[12:44] <zequence-w> The original round logo is in blue though
[12:44] <zequence-w> I like the blue better, but it may depend on what the background is, if it is good to use it
[12:44] <ttoine> zequence, ok. maybe you have a link to the picture file of the banner you used for you facebook page ?
[12:45] <zequence-w> I mean, the actual symbol, in blue
[12:45] <zequence-w> ttoine: I didn't do the fb page. Must be ScottL
[12:45] <zequence-w> I'm not admin yet
[12:45] <zequence-w> ttoine: You should find it in pictures
[12:46] <ttoine> zequence, https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ubuntu-Studio/277602442279689
[12:46] <ttoine> and https://www.facebook.com/Ubuntustudio
[12:46] <ttoine> are not the same
[12:47] <zequence-w> ttoine: The first link is not ours
[12:47] <zequence-w> They're just using png images from our website
[12:47] <zequence-w> It's a new page, with very few visitors
[12:47] <ttoine> ok
[12:48] <ttoine> need to go, bbl
[13:25] <ScottL> zequence, "We weren't able to add all your new admins. You can only add your friends or people who already like this Page"
[13:26] <ScottL> we can work on it again this evening after i get home from work
[13:26] <ScottL> zequence, i'm not sure who did the facebook page, jussi was in charge of it until he added me as admin
[13:26] <ScottL> i'm not sure who the other page is or who created it
[13:50] <zequence-w> KDE != cool. KDE == kool.
[14:06] <astraljava> wut?
[14:07] <astraljava> Yes.
[14:27] <scott-work> good morning everyone
[14:27] <scott-work> would someone be able to help Martin Owen with some midi help? it doesn't sound to difficult, but I am far from a midi expert: https://plus.google.com/u/0/102241005050666075649/posts/L7N5AnJ8D8w?cfem=1
[14:28] <scott-work> zequence: i brought my laptop to work so i most likely will be able to work directly with you during the day to get the facebook admin set up
[14:29] <scott-work> strangely, we have a device called 'sonicwall' that blocks certain things, like facebook and flickr, from our desktop computers. however, if i use my personal laptop with the wifi i get around that :P
[14:29] <zequence-w> scott-work: I liked the page before, and changed my email adress to the one you used. Should be fine now
[14:29] <scott-work> but then again, if i am overtly using my personal laptop all day, people (including my boss) _will_ notice ;)
[14:30] <zequence-w> I wonder if Korn are heavy KDE users
[14:30] <zequence-w> Kould be?
[14:31] <scott-work> lol
[14:36] <scott-work> zequence-w: done :)
[14:47] <zequence-w> scott-work: ty
[14:47] <scott-work> yw
[14:48] <scott-work> i'm guessing ttoine made the changes to the facebook logo/image. it looks *much* better than before :)
[14:48] <scott-work> zequence-w: i am thinking about adding ttoine to the g+ page as well. is there a reason not to do so?
[14:52] <zequence-w> scott-work: Please add him. I think he was the one who made the changes, yes. But we should redo it again, properly. And making sure all the social sites have correct theming
[14:52] <zequence-w> I think the way the fb page looks now is probably what we are all thinking, but missing the slogan
[14:52] <zequence-w> And let's make sure the details are what we want
[14:53] <zequence-w> We really should make all those pages look as similar as possible, so that there is no confusion as to if the page is official or not
[14:56] <zequence-w> going home
[15:51] <zequence> scott-work: Who made the white version of the US symbol (blue background)
[15:51] <zequence> I kind of liked it when it was blue, and no background
[15:52] <scott-work> zequence: that was me and cory
[15:52] <zequence> scott-work: Would be nice to have someone responsible of the art, and do some color experimentation. Like, white against black, and that sort of thing. Alternative theming
[15:53] <scott-work> zequence: i tried that years ago, waaaay before i had _any_ profeciency with inkscape ;)
[16:14] <zequence> scott-work: How does this look? https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12809728/sans.png
[16:15] <scott-work> i think it look good!
[16:15] <scott-work> *looks*
[16:15] <scott-work> i saw something yesterday that prompted me to also suggest "open to creativity" or similar
[16:16] <scott-work> but i'm good with what you have right now
[16:16] <zequence> I'm no artists, so whatever I do is going to be very simple. That's just the Sans Italic font
[16:17] <zequence> I imagine one could bake in something like a audio wave image in there. Do something graphically to make the whole thing become more alive
[16:17] <zequence> But, perhaps this would be a good start
[16:18] <zequence> I'd like to suggest this(or something improved) for all our sites then.
[16:20] <scott-work> i think we should as well. let's start with this, get it consistent across all platforms. it looks good and much, much better than what we have already
[16:21] <scott-work> if we can develop something we like better, then we can iterate to that
[16:21] <scott-work> we could even crowdsource for ideas or art on those platforms
[16:23] <zequence> Yea. I'll put together some art tomorrow. I think probably all the sites will need a bit different dimensions, etc. And finally, I'll put everything on a wiki page somehwere
[16:25] <zequence> Then, if everyones fine with it, we can just implement it. I need to start working on the front web page with knome too. Add the slogan, and polish the layout (add a header that says "News")
[16:25] <zequence> We'll stage the changes first on the site I set up
[16:43] <scott-work> that sounds awesome :)
[19:24] <scott-work> photos i took at my father's over the holidays: https://plus.google.com/100313956509426913392/posts/8LvvQX7PhPh
[19:24] <scott-work> this is part of the process where i'm working through the photography workflow (not that i'm doing too much in these photos mind you)
[19:47] <scott-work> ttoine: the new logo stuff for the facebook page looks good, did you do that?
[20:01] <ttoine> scott-work, the fantom of ubuntu studio did that, perhaps ;-)
[20:01] <scott-work> LOL
[20:02] <ttoine> scott-work, nice place, your father's home
[20:03] <ttoine> a kind of ranch ?
[20:03] <ttoine> scott-work, i noticed you added me to the google + page too
[20:04] <scott-work> ttoine: thank you. my father (rightly so) is very proud of his house and land, after loosing everything twice in divorce has worked *very* hard to achieve his dream
[20:04] <ttoine> is there a linkedin page too ?
[20:05] <ttoine> scott-work, my wife and I are dreaming of a place like that, with horses
[20:05] <scott-work> he lives out in the country with a very nice house that he did a majority of the work to complete after it was framed and "dried in" (meaning basically weatherproof but with concrete floor and stud walls)
[20:05] <ttoine> I hope this is possible with cable internet services ;-)
[20:06] <ttoine> scott-work, great work. It is not very common to build house this way in europe
[20:06] <scott-work> i helped him pull wire, do electrical outlets. he had specialists do certain things (like the large, marble shower) but he did a lot of work on it
[20:06] <scott-work> ttoine: i did add you to the g+ page. i asked zequence if thought it was a good idea, he agreed it was.
[20:07] <scott-work> i would really like to have a consistent group working on all the various social media. i really don't want to fragment people against the channels, unless someone doesn't particularly like one of them ;)
[20:08] <scott-work> and you obviously have knowledge and ability for the social channels ;)
[20:09] <ttoine> scott-work, thank you for your confidence
[20:09] <ttoine> scott-work, is there a Linked In official page ?
[20:10] <scott-work> ttoine: what i have been expressing to zequence is a strong desire to DO. i think we (i know i have been) worry to much about making things "perfect" and never get _anything_ accomplished. i would rather push something out and then iterate as necessary
[20:10] <scott-work> oh, sorry. didn't answer that. i don't believe there is. at least i am not aware of a linked page
[20:10] <scott-work> *linked in*
[20:10] <scott-work> (but then again, i didn't know about the guy on twitter or the guy on identi.ca either)
[20:11] <ttoine> oh yes... there is identica too to manage, I forget this one
[20:13] <scott-work> i would imagine if we focus on the main three (g+, facebook, twitter) right now then we should get over 80% of the coverage needed
[20:14] <scott-work> not to say that we can't pick up any of the other channels later or that we shouldn't pick them up, but if we focus on getting these correct right NOW, we'll be doing good :)
[20:14] <scott-work> ttoine: i have a @ubuntu.com email account as a memeber, i could probably talk to the twitter people about kicking that guy off of @ubuntustudio
[20:15] <scott-work> or we could always pick @TheRealUbuntuStudio or @ubuntustudio.org or @whateverubuntustudio or @ubuntu-studio
[20:15] <ttoine> scott-work, so first, you will need to create a ubuntustudio1 account or something like that
[20:15] <ttoine> then, there is a form to fill to request the account
[20:16] <scott-work> i can create the account tonight at home, do you have a link or can tell me where to look for the form?
[20:16] <ttoine> scott-work, @ubuntustudio.org is available
[20:17] <ttoine> sorry
[20:17] <ttoine> @ubuntustudioorg
[20:17] <ttoine> wait a second for the link
[20:17] <scott-work> i would say let's try to get @ubuntustudio first since it seems we may have a viable path to do so, if this begins to look bad or takes too long we can choose an alternate
[20:18] <scott-work> but if we don't have @ubuntustudio within a month, maybe we should just move on and pick antoher
[20:19] <ttoine> scott-work, https://support.twitter.com/forms/impersonation
[20:20] <scott-work> ttoine: thank you
[20:20] <ttoine> and choose "a user is pretending to be or representative of the company, brand or organization"
[20:21] <ttoine> scott-work, it is easy to find the url again in the help center of twitter
[21:53] <scott-work> ttoine: i created the @ubuntustudio1 account and filed the impersonation report
[21:53] <scott-work> let's hope it works :)
[21:55] <ttoine> scott-work: i am just testing irc from android before sleeping. Can you remember me tomorrow to send you thé email of the contact of pleia2 ?
[21:55] <scott-work> ttoine: absolutely. good night :)
[21:57] <ttoine> Tanks.
[21:58] <ttoine> Thanks