[12:00] <stopabuse> ooh, thx, NotANick
[12:00] <nickrud> Abood, no offence, but 'doesn't work
[12:00] <NotANick> stopabuse: no problem...I'm here to help, further the cause of ubuntu and all that
[12:00] <nickrud> ' doen't help :)
[12:00] <dantheman> it tells me i should run sudo apt-get update to fix the gpg problems
[12:00] <dantheman> i run it again, and it gives me the same thing
[12:00] <phanter> hmm my skype is ringing. I can accept calls and IM's. Everything seems to work it is just that nobody can hear me and I can hear nobody. Who has an idea to solve this
[12:00] <jnk> vordhosbn, I think what you can do is adding an udev rule to choose what /dev/xxx is created for your ipod, then using this in /etc/fstab
[12:00] <Seibol> sudo installed?
[12:00] <djm62> femv: why not use gnome-sudo dhclient eth0?
[12:00] <lsuactiafner> slappy16, : ldconfig and libncurses5-dev didnt work
[12:00] <Abood> nickrud, its running now on the lowest resolution and i tried to change it insde the gnome application, but there are no choices ?!?
[12:00] <Reblended> anyone have experience with live cd and ACPI? The boot is still halting even with noacpi or pci=noacpi /msg me if you can help
[12:00] <hyphenated> phanter: turn up the microphone volume
[12:01] <joshua__> dantheman:  Er...Hrm.  I dunno.  Lemme check my own sources.list to make sure I gave you the right information
[12:01] <lsuactiafner> private query me please since i'm studying for a test so cant follow the channel
[12:01] <slappy16> ok, im gunna find it now
[12:01] <SeamusLP> NotANick:  Thank you for helping us with the cause, comrade!
[12:01] <nickrud> ABood: ah, generic. I think I can help.
[12:01] <phanter> the mic volume is perfect. it is something else
[12:01] <djm62> femv: you'll need to type a password, which isn't ideal
[12:01] <Greek0> does anyone of you know how to get older versions of packages, that were already removed from the archive?
[12:01] <NotANick> SeamusLP: Viva la revolucion!
[12:01] <dantheman> i'm doing a gpg thing from ubuntuguide....i think that'll fix it
[12:01] <hyphenated> phanter: does it work in other programs, like sound recorder apps?
[12:01] <femv> djm62 ur right
[12:01] <jnk> vordhosbn,  then gnome-volume-manager will use what you put in /etc/fstab (with a noauto option!) when you plug in your ipod
[12:01] <joshua__> dantheman:  I did. =P ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat testing main
[12:02] <vordhosbn> jnk: thanks, ill try that
[12:02] <nickrud> do less /etc/X11/xorg.conf  , and look for the section called monitor.
[12:02] <joshua__> dantheman:  change where it sais unstable to testing, and then udpate and it should owrk
[12:02] <Seibol> hmm, I just gotta say, I have been away from the linux front for just a couple of weeks due to workload and other engagements, and I was startled to see Ubuntu to be at the top of the list on distrowatch.com.  I finally downloaded it yesterday to check it out, and I am in love!
[12:02] <dantheman> there, it works correctly now
[12:02] <djm62> femv: there are ways to do it, but they mostly compromise security
[12:02] <joshua__> dantheman: Awesome.
[12:02] <tbird> anyone had a problem with 2.6.11 kernel panicing about root=/dev/hda4 or whatever your is ?
[12:02] <femv> djm62... for example ?
[12:03] <slappy16> tbird: lilo or grub?
[12:03] <Seibol> I was a mepis guy for a while, and I do have a copy of Xandros deluxe, but Xandros doesn't feel as customizable, as Ubuntu.  Ubuntu has the "it just works" touch that Xandros has, at 100% of the cost
[12:03] <tbird> grub
[12:03] <slappy16> are you using labels?
[12:03] <djm62> femv: you could do "sudo chmod +s `which dhclient`"
[12:03] <Seibol> love it, just thought I would say that for any developers out there
[12:03] <nickrud> Abood: does it have anything saying VertRefresh?
[12:03] <tbird> slappy16, it had the same entry as my 2.6.10 kernel
[12:03] <theine> Hi, is it possible to include videos in openoffice2 presentations?
[12:03] <NotANick> anybody here know how to get ee working in ubuntu?
[12:03] <slappy16> is 2.6.10 using labels?
[12:03] <Abood> nickrud, i already did, i can find all the depth types 1 to 24 but with just 1 resolution the lowest one i dont remmber what its exactly
[12:03] <elp> hi i have the following problem... http://rafb.net/paste/results/6jLZwQ20.html .. how to get my dhcpd to run?
[12:03] <djm62> femv: it's an ugly solution, and I'm really hoping someone will jump down my throat with a better one
[12:03] <tbird> slappy16, what you mean by labels ?
[12:03] <phanter> no the other program cannot record anything, but I can hear myself via the mic and the speakers.
[12:04] <Abood> nickrud, and tried to checnge the resolution but also not working
[12:04] <NotANick> nm, got it
[12:04] <nickrud> Abood: that's not what we're looking for, we need to enter the exact horizontal and vertical refresh
[12:04] <nickrud> for your monitor.
[12:04] <slappy16> hey all, is universal equivalent to testing in debian?
[12:04] <Abood> aha from where i can change the, nickrud ?
[12:04] <torpid_zz> is helix player supposed to be able to play back realaudio sources?
[12:04] <femv> djm62 you meansudo chmod +s dhclient so that any user can go for it ?
[12:04] <Seibol> I thinki it is testing + some
[12:05] <djm62> femv: yeah...if you're the only user, that might be acceptable
[12:05] <phanter> hyphenated: no the other program cannot record anything, but I can hear myself via the mic and the speakers.
[12:05] <nickrud> Abood, exactly what monitor make and model do yo have?
[12:05] <nitin> whens beagel being released into brreezy?
[12:05] <Seibol> btw, nice handle slappy
[12:05] <fazer> bah
[12:05] <slappy16> ty!
[12:05] <fazer> after con
[12:05] <fazer> *after configuring Ubuntu
[12:05] <Seibol> slappy was that bunny off of tiny tunes
[12:05] <fazer> you feel awesome
[12:05] <hyphenated> phanter: yet you expect skype to work, even though no other program will?
[12:06] <Abood> nickrud, Compaq S710, 30-70  ,  50-160
[12:06] <Reblended> < live CD question I really want to install Ubuntu Today, but I want to first get the live CD to work... it is still halting at an ACPI line even with noacpi typed
[12:06] <phanter> hyphenated: i just found out.
[12:06] <femv> djm62 its telling me no such file
[12:06] <hyphenated> phanter: alrighty. you know where the 'volume control' stuff is?
[12:06] <nickrud> Abood: I'm going to post a snippet of my xorg.conf on pastebin wait one
[12:06] <phanter> hyphenated: yes
[12:06] <djm62> femv: I meant literally "sudo chmod +s `which dhclient`"
[12:07] <hyphenated> phanter: there should be controls for input as well as output.
[12:07] <Abood> nickrud ok
[12:07] <Seibol> anyone know why Ubuntu doesn't come with wine, and, when u look around for wine support the unofficial starter guide suggests Crossover Office?
[12:07] <djm62> femv: the `which dhclient` will expand to become the location of dhclient
[12:07] <Kakalto> hey guys
[12:07] <Seibol> hey kakalto
[12:07] <IIIEars> If i don't need any ports open except websurfing what ports can i forward to a non existent machine?
[12:07] <Kakalto> has teh first shipment of ubuntu cd's left the warehouse yet?
[12:07] <thr1ce> ok; how tough is it to run a "bleeding edge" ubuntu?
[12:07] <tbird> http://pastebin.com/272547
[12:07] <Bazzi> Seibol maybe licensind/patent issues or something like that.
[12:07] <thr1ce> like...everything update
[12:07] <thr1ce> just changed a few repositories ?
[12:07] <tbird> thats my menu.lst
[12:07] <Seibol> thought wine was open
[12:08] <nickrud> abood: http://www.pastebin.com/272548
[12:08] <Kakalto> thr1ce: yeh, sounds about right
[12:08] <phanter> hyphenated: i know. I turned them both up and the only thing that changes is that i get crazy of sounds comming out of my pc (:)). linux knows my mic and sends the output to the speakers
[12:08] <nickrud> abood: compare that  to your xorg.conf (in /etc/X11)
[12:08] <thr1ce> Kakalto, ok; I run slackware -current, and wanted something like that pretty much
[12:08] <slappy16> tbird: you using initrd.img?
[12:08] <dockane> is there any tutorial how to speed up gnome ? since 2 weeks or so memory usage breaks the sky (192 mb ram) and my hd is working as if its going to get killed if it does not. do you recommend to change with that littel ram to icewm or anything else ?
[12:08] <slappy16> are you talking about 0 and 1?
[12:09] <tbird> slappy16, im using what Ubuntu gave by default
[12:09] <Seibol> mmm doritos
[12:09] <Kakalto> thr1ce: I don't know much about slackware, but I know if you want the newest ubuntu, update your repositories all to breezy
[12:09] <slappy16> where is your default?
[12:09] <tbird> slappy16, kernel 2.6.10-5-386 works fine
[12:09] <djm62> dockane: really that should be plenty....how many programs are you running at once?
[12:09] <tbird> slappy16, it a kernel from apt
[12:10] <tbird> well synaptic
[12:10] <femv> djm62, i closed this up.. what were u saying bout the chmod
[12:10] <thr1ce> breezy is the next release ?
[12:10] <Kakalto> yeah
[12:10] <djm62> femv: literally type "sudo chmod +s `which dhclient`"
[12:10] <nitin> guys when i switch to a console and back my whole system crashes (its probably because of FGLRX (9700 pro)) anyone know how to fix this...
[12:10] <thr1ce> ok; and does anyone have an ATI card, 8500 or newer, with 3d accel ?
[12:10] <fazer> oh sweet!
[12:10] <Kakalto> so, until october, it's unstable
[12:10] <fazer> I can make xfce look like aqua this is AWESOME
[12:10] <nitin> thr1ce, yes i do
[12:11] <Reblended> how do I turn everything off when I boot LIVE cd??? I keep halting at ACPI and I have that off too
[12:11] <djm62> femv: including the back-ticks (next to the 1 key on my keyboard)
[12:11] <thr1ce> nitin, how tough is 3d accel to set up in ubuntu ?
[12:11] <nitin> thr1ce, but i crash when switching back and fro console
[12:11] <nitin> thr1ce, what card u have?
[12:11] <GhostFreeman> what'
[12:11] <thr1ce> 9700 pro
[12:11] <NotANick> fazer: why would you want it to look like aqua?
[12:11] <cens0red> good moaning.
[12:11] <GhostFreeman> what's the command to configure xorg?
[12:11] <nitin> thr1ce, lol..same card heres the steps:
[12:11] <thr1ce> xorgconfig
[12:11] <Kakalto> cens0red: good moaning.
[12:11] <thr1ce> nitin, i've compiled from source before; just curious if it's easier in ubuntu
[12:11] <nitin> thr1ce, much easier
[12:12] <Kakalto> thr1ce: I wouldn't be surprised if the details were on the ubuntu wiki
[12:12] <femv> djm62 oki brb
[12:12] <Reblended> < wonders if my question is too noob to even warrant an answer?
[12:12] <cens0red> Kakalto g
[12:12] <cens0red> day
[12:12] <Seibol> lol
[12:12] <Seibol> moan
[12:12] <thr1ce> nitin, just curious; what do you get from glxgears ?
[12:12] <fazer> NotANick: because I like macs! :P
[12:12] <djm62> Reblended: I don't know if anyone here has experience of the livecd
[12:12] <fazer> NotANick: wait, i hope it doesn't tak emore cpu cycles =(
[12:12] <phanter> linux will not capture the sounds recorded by the microphone. It does send the recordings directly to the speakers. What could be wrong?
[12:13] <Reblended> djm62, lol ok... well, I'll keep pluggin away
[12:13] <tbird> 6519 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1303.800 FPS
[12:13] <dockane> djm62, the "daily" parallel usage of my system (laptop) contents firefox with 1-7 tabs, 1 or 2 terminals, xchat, teamspeak client (VoIP) and a file manager
[12:13] <thr1ce> on a 9700 pro ?
[12:13] <Reblended> djm62, I hope I get plenty of experience to share later with someone else. =]
[12:13] <cens0red> phanter I went through that problem about 24 hrs ago.
[12:13] <tbird> nah a FX5200
[12:13] <cens0red> phanter what soundcard do u have? Any idea?
[12:13] <thr1ce> 7000 fps here
[12:13] <phanter> cens0red: wait i'll check
[12:13] <tbird> nice
[12:14] <thr1ce> nitin, what do you get from glxgears ?
[12:14] <thr1ce> make sure you cover the gears with the terminal, so it is hidden
[12:14] <Zugot> ndiswrapper is doing me wrong today
[12:14] <csete> Hello.  Any ATI framebuffer gurus around?
[12:14] <cens0red> < --- a mighty 9000 fps
[12:14] <tbird> isint that cheating
[12:14] <djm62> dockane: doesn't sound terrible
[12:15] <thr1ce> cens0red, with ?
[12:15] <tbird> thats like minimizing it
[12:15] <thr1ce> lol
[12:15] <thr1ce> no, covering up is accurate
[12:15] <no0tic> hi all
[12:15] <cens0red> thr1ce glxgears.
[12:15] <thr1ce> making it smaller is cheating
[12:15] <thr1ce> cens0red, LOL, what card!
[12:15] <tbird> 18265 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3653.000 FPS
[12:15] <Kakalto> has teh first shipment of ubuntu cd's left the warehouse yet?
[12:15] <cens0red> thr1ce ge4 128 meg.
[12:16] <cens0red> yeah 9000 fp5s really.
[12:16] <csete> Can anyone give me a hand getting an ATI Radeon 9250 working correctly with framebuffer?
[12:16] <Zugot> ahh... i think i deserve a cig break
[12:16] <thr1ce> nitin, are you here... ?
[12:17] <tbird> ok so im using Breezy anyone know of issues with 2.6.11 in Breezy
[12:17] <djm62> tbird: I've heard of crashes related to inotify
[12:18] <NotANick> SeamusLP: yo
[12:18] <Zugot> tbird: what issues are you having?   i'm gonna boot breezy up in vmware real quick and then put a 2.6.11 kernel on it...
[12:18] <tbird> djm62, it panics saying root= is undefined or wrong
[12:18] <thr1ce> ok; and running the pre-release...is it generally pretty stable ?
[12:18] <tbird> but the entry is exact to the 2.6.10 that works
[12:18] <tbird> well aside from the ovious version changes
[12:18] <GhostFreeman> what option in xorg would I pick for a Radeon 9800XT?
[12:18] <GhostFreeman> when it asks for memory usage
[12:19] <thr1ce> just ATI radeon
[12:19] <tbird> http://pastebin.com/272547 thats my menu.lst
[12:19] <GhostFreeman> I don't see that option, I see a list with 256k, 512k, etc
[12:19] <Seibol> memory leave blank, it will default
[12:19] <GhostFreeman> ok
[12:19] <Seibol> 256k?
[12:19] <nitin_> who was asking about fglrx ati 9700 pro?
[12:20] <Seibol> that can't be right
[12:20] <phanter> cens0red: you have an idea how to find that out (i have an ibm thinkpad t42)
[12:20] <dockane> djm62, no it does not. but those 3-5 minutes where working is impossible because of swapping or whatever is unacceptable
[12:20] <Seibol> ghostfreeman, you should look into installing ATI's proprietary drivers.  They have a pretty clear walkthrough, and they definately run better
[12:20] <Zugot> i sold my 9800XT when i switched to linux exclusively on the desktop
[12:21] <Zugot> it sucks under xorg
[12:21] <cens0red> phanter do something for me. In a terminal type "lsmod |grep snd"
[12:21] <nitin_> Zugot, yep
[12:21] <Zugot> i went back to a ti4600 from nvidia and it worked well.
[12:21] <nitin_> ati is pretty bad no matter what for linux
[12:21] <slappy16> hey all....where is libncurses4-dev in warty????
[12:21] <Zugot> plus, i don't play anymore games, so there really is no need for it
[12:21] <nickrud> Zugot: voodoo3, stable, tested :)
[12:21] <tz273> Hi! I want to masquerade a subnet over a ppp connection, but i really cant make it! I use the iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE command, my subnet iface is eth0, and ppp0 is over eth1. What should i do?
[12:21] <djm62> dockane: it might be right (was looking at my stats)
[12:21] <tga> smart.. all ubuntu systems more or less phone home
[12:21] <nitin_> fglrx on 9700 pro crashes when i run glxgears
[12:21] <Zugot> nickrud: hardy har har
[12:21] <slappy16> we are having a problem finding ncurses4-dev libs in warty, is it in universal?
[12:22] <dockane> djm62, i found the ubuntu-ram-howto, sounds encouragin
[12:22] <phanter> cens0red: did that. it is an AC97, do you need the rest of the output as well?
[12:22] <dockane> *mini-ram
[12:22] <Zugot> slappy16: probally because it should be ncurses5 now
[12:22] <slappy16> can someone give me a url for sources.list to get curses?
[12:22] <Zugot> er ignore me
[12:22] <slappy16> but we cant make menuconfig w/ 5
[12:22] <Zugot> ah
[12:22] <tga> are there any stats for the Ubuntu NTP server? all systems seem to be updating against it at every boot
[12:22] <cens0red> phanter do u see "emu" in there anywhere? like "snd-emu10k1" is what I'm hoping for.
[12:23] <Zugot> slappy16: hold on... i'm bringing up my breezy box right now... so i can build the kernel
[12:23] <phanter> cens0red: no there is nothing with emu in it
[12:23] <tga> cens0red: what are you looking for?
[12:23] <slappy16> Zugot: thanks very much
[12:23] <Seibol> hey, I was reading on the ubuntu site about enterprise offerings, is there acutally an enterprise desktop or an ubuntu server?
[12:23] <cens0red> tga I'm hoping he has the same sound drivers as me. Therefore the solution to his problem will be identical to the way I solved the same prob.
[12:23] <Reblended> I'm installing Ubuntu from the hoary cd and with acpi shut off it stops at line: ACPI:Subsystem revision 20050211 any ideas? please msg me
[12:24] <abood> nickrud, back dude the internet works fine
[12:24] <Kakalto> ...
[12:24] <tga> Seibol: if you don't use the universe sources you pretty much get an enterprise desktop
[12:24] <GhostFreeman> any way to check what Hz rate i'm running?
[12:24] <Seibol> reblended: what hardware u runnin it on??
[12:24] <tga> Seibol: reduced in scope but with security updates
[12:24] <Reblended> Seibol, it's a sony vaio p3 laptop
[12:24] <Reblended> Seibol, 384megs ram
[12:24] <Seibol> cool tga
[12:24] <cens0red> phanter damn. Ah well. How I solved it was to install a package called aumix-gtk. It's basically a good gui for your sound mixer. Try installing it, and boosting the "line-in" option on the panel.
[12:25] <Seibol> what about Ubuntu Server?
[12:25] <phanter> cens0red: oke i will try that
[12:25] <tga> Seibol: I remeber reading about the 'enterprise' version that's supported longer, check out the webpage
[12:25] <Seibol> Reblended: u turn off ACPI support in the bios?
[12:25] <Reblended> cens0red, LOL you're typing in white? I gotta change my background color
[12:25] <Reblended> ohh! great idea.. thx Seibol
[12:25] <Reblended> brb Seibol
[12:25] <phanter> Seibol: why an ubuntu server. For servers I would like to recommend debian
[12:25] <Seibol> or APM
[12:26] <tbird> GhostFreeman, xvidtune
[12:26] <Seibol> just was curious, Ubuntu desktop and Ubuntu Server
[12:26] <nitin_> for servers use gentoo
[12:27] <nitin_> lol
[12:27] <tga> LFS all the way
[12:27] <vordhosbn> what repository is the xorg-fglrx package on?
[12:27] <tga> universe?
[12:27] <nitin_> vordhosbn, restricted-main?
[12:27] <GhostFreeman> ok, thanks
[12:27] <tga> oh, it's restricted
[12:27] <phanter> hmm i think that debian is more stable then gentoo. but everybody his/her own oponion
[12:27] <vordhosbn> how do i enable that?
[12:27] <djm62> for servers, linspire ;)
[12:27] <nitin_> use synaptic
[12:27] <cens0red> W: Unable to locate package xorg-fglrx
[12:27] <GhostFreeman> hahaha
[12:27] <nitin_> system-administration->synaptic package manager
[12:28] <GhostFreeman> you mentioned the evil l-word in here
[12:28] <vordhosbn> nitin_: i am using synaptic, and as far as i know, restricted is already enabled
[12:28] <Seibol> debian can be a real pain in the ass to set up a server
[12:28] <nitin_> hmm
[12:28] <tga> Seibol: as opposed to?
[12:28] <Zugot> tga: rhel
[12:28] <slappy16> sarge's installer isn't half bad
[12:28] <Seibol> Windows Small Business Server 2003
[12:28] <cens0red> Seibol is ubuntu any better? (I haven't set up a server yet. One day I'll get around to it.)
[12:28] <djm62> if you're running a server, debian's ok
[12:28] <Seibol> tga
[12:28] <vordhosbn> i have the xfree-fglrx
[12:28] <green_earz> Seibol: check out the debian sarge installer.
[12:28] <Shavnir> ack, jnk peered! :O
[12:28] <tga> Zugot: what does RHEL do for a server that Debian doesn't?
[12:28] <vordhosbn> err, i have it available
[12:29] <dockane_> lost connection
[12:29] <cens0red> my website is hosted on debian, I believe.
[12:29] <Zugot> tga... uh have specific support agreements with oracle.
[12:29] <nitin_> vordhosbn, add these reps http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[12:29] <Seibol> green_earz: that really is the only debian I use
[12:29] <Zugot> have real support for "everything" included in the dist
[12:29] <djm62> and /maintaining/ that server on debian, indefinitely, for free is rather easy
[12:29] <Zugot> i can call redhat if i don't think amanda works right...
[12:29] <phanter> oke I found this very strange. I use the alsa mixer, but in gnome my volume control tells me that it is steering an oss mixer (but eventhough it works fine) ?!?!
[12:29] <tga> Zugot: nevermind the support, I was thinking about configuration tools
[12:29] <Zugot> plus redhat network satellite is just a cool ass tool
[12:29] <vordhosbn> nitin_: i already did that, but maybe ill try downloading their sources.list
[12:30] <Zugot> when you have hundreds of servers rhn-satellite is really nice
[12:30] <thr1ce> anyone know of a good CD burning utility?
[12:30] <tga> phanter: alsa-oss - ALSA OSS-compatibility application wrapper
[12:30] <cens0red> phanter u didn't try aumix-gtk? (btw, I think that's weird too.)
[12:30] <slappy16> cdroast
[12:30] <thr1ce> i suppose k3b would be tough without kde
[12:30] <slappy16> cdrecorder
[12:30] <tga> nero :)
[12:30] <phanter> cens0red: yes just installed it, but how do i run it :)
[12:30] <Zugot> apt-get can suck if you have 100s of machines updating and 100s of different configs to manage.
[12:30] <cens0red> phanter $aumix-gtk
[12:30] <djm62> thr1ce: you can use it
[12:30] <nitin_> vordhosbn, i remmeber i did not do much to get the drivers, maybe your overlooking something?
[12:30] <cens0red> phanter $aumix
[12:30] <Zugot> i just say the right tool for the job
[12:31] <Seibol> I never used xchat before, is red lettering public?
[12:31] <slappy16> Zugot: cfengine
[12:31] <tga> Zugot: ook, what's the alternative then?
[12:31] <nitin_> vordhosbn, in anycase, they suck, my system crashes when running glxgears
[12:31] <thr1ce> wow...
[12:31] <Zugot> slappy16: have you configured cfengine?
[12:31] <thr1ce> glxgears crashes the system ?
[12:31] <vordhosbn> damn
[12:31] <slappy16> ya, i used 1.x alot and briefly with 2x
[12:31] <Zugot> i'm just saying rhel isn't bad when you know how to use it...   thats all i'm saying
[12:31] <tsume_> glxgears works great for me :)
[12:31] <dedinje> I was not asked to setup  ROOT PASSWORD during installation...how do I do that now?
[12:32] <djm62> Zugot: well, you can use ssh key logins with a lot of flexibility...but dedicated tools are also good ;)
[12:32] <thr1ce> how effecient is apt-get?  will removing a package leave various files behind, or will it really do a clean job ?
[12:32] <slappy16> i just default all off and add functionality as i need it
[12:32] <tsume_> Zugot: rh allows root logins over ssh, they are evil and rh is bad
[12:32] <Seibol> rhe seems like the only mainstream solution for enterprise
[12:32] <Zugot> djm62: you aren't thinking large enough
[12:32] <tsume_> Zugot: also outdated/backported software sucks.
[12:32] <slappy16> tsume_: are you a bsd person?
[12:32] <phanter> cens0red: aumix does not change the status of my problem (sorry to tell you)
[12:32] <Zugot> tsume_: not true.   allowing root logins over ssh isn't bad if you have taken the steps to secure things
[12:32] <tsume_> slappy16: yes, and a linux person(only if the distro has updated software)
[12:32] <Zugot> tsume_: rhel is all about stability.   i'm not talking about fedora core
[12:33] <tsume_> as soon as breezy becomes somewhat stable, I'm going to use it
[12:33] <Seibol> well I guess you can go suse, but I will always have something against Novell till they dump Netware all together
[12:33] <cens0red> phanter did u try pumping up i-gain ?
[12:33] <hypno> what's the deal with gam_server? It keeps starting and not letting me unmount things
[12:33] <a_peck> :)
[12:33] <thr1ce> ok; any place I can browse what packages are in current repositories for ubuntu ?  preferably the latest and greatest ?
[12:33] <tsume_> Zugot: rh ran ruby 1.6 for the greatest while, now I bet they run 1.8.0 just because they are idiots
[12:33] <Zugot> tsume_: i think you are confused.
[12:34] <tsume_> Zugot: no.
[12:34] <AngelGabriel> Hi everyone!
[12:34] <djm62> RH make products that work
[12:34] <frank__> thr1ce, I just do searches in synaptic
[12:34] <samy> both ubuntu and suse are good distributions, i've got the two installed on my hard drive disk,  but now i only use Ubuntu
[12:34] <slappy16> djm62: RH makes pain
[12:34] <Seibol> anyone ever play with tinysofa?
[12:34] <phanter> cens0red: hey wait... there we are... I am off and running eeuh recording
[12:34] <tsume_> djm62: funny, when I used it I made programs crash all the time
[12:34] <tz273> Where can i set the commands i want to execute, when my dsl-connection is set up?
[12:34] <slappy16> RH makes my ass, itch
[12:34] <Zugot> tsume_: you don't understand.   just because you can spell linux doesn't make you qualified.   i'm talking from experience.   rhel has its place.
[12:34] <thr1ce> frank__, well, i'm not on ubuntu yet...thinking about switching from my current distro
[12:34] <Seibol> lol slappy
[12:34] <tsume_> djm62: if it can't get by me with simple bugs, its not stable
[12:34] <cens0red> phanter good. same problem. well, bad actually. There shouldn't be a problem in the first place.
[12:35] <tsume_> Zugot: actually what makes me qualified is experience.
[12:35] <Seibol> what are you using now thrlce?
[12:35] <thr1ce> slackware
[12:35] <frank__> thr1ce, http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[12:35] <Zugot> ah... this #ubuntu  we are way off topic
[12:35] <phanter> cens0red: hmm you use skype?
[12:35] <tsume_> Zugot: questioning my knowledge in such a rude manner is very negative
[12:35] <cens0red> phanter no. What is skype?
[12:35] <Zugot> tsume_: making assertions with no foundation is negative
[12:35] <slappy16> hahaha
[12:35] <Zugot> i had to speak in a language you understood
[12:35] <phanter> cens0red: never mind :) thanks anyway
[12:35] <thr1ce> Seibol, slackware
[12:35] <Seibol> slackware: now there is one I always stayed away from
[12:35] <tsume_> Zugot: I believe I talk from more experience than you, I use linux machines all day, and some of them drive me bannanas
[12:35] <slappy16> please, guys..this reminds me of reservoir dogs
[12:35] <thr1ce> Seibol, why ?
[12:35] <djm62> would everyone being forced at gunpoint to buy redhat leave, and everyone else not worry about it
[12:36] <samy> thrlce , switch on ubuntu , it's the best linux distribution i tested from my point of view ( i tested mandrake 10.1, suse 9.2 and the last Ubuntu version )
[12:36] <slappy16> Zugot: were you able to bring up that breezy box for libncurses4-dev?
[12:36] <tsume_> Zugot: speak in your own langauge like that again and I'll have to ignore you. I dislike arrogance.
[12:36] <samy> i always had problems with mandrake and suse when connecting an USB peripheric
[12:36] <Zugot> slappy16: let me check... i booted it in the background
[12:36] <closure> yo is there a gui based top?
[12:36] <slappy16> ok, sorry..i dont wanna bother you
[12:36] <closure> like for kde/gnome?
[12:36] <slappy16> grossview
[12:37] <slappy16> gkrellm
[12:37] <slappy16> osview
[12:37] <slappy16> xosview?
[12:37] <frank__> closure, applications->System tools->System monitor
[12:37] <closure> slappy16, are any of these pre installed with ubuntu?
[12:37] <tga>  kde has a system monitor thing
[12:37] <samy> gnome too
[12:37] <thr1ce> what's wrong with slackware?
[12:37] <slappy16> i dont know
[12:37] <Zugot> i wish people wouldn't get so sensitive about differen't distros
[12:37] <slappy16> gkrellm, might be
[12:37] <Zugot> they all have their merits..
[12:37] <djm62> or even OSes
[12:37] <Zugot> well most do
[12:38] <slappy16> its religion, man
[12:38] <phanter> hmm I use gnome. it has a standard mixer (the one in the taskbar). It currently uses the OSS mixer, but I would like it to use the aumix mixer. How can i change that
[12:38] <Zugot> screw religion
[12:38] <slappy16> vi vs emacs, perl vs python
[12:38] <slappy16> yep
[12:38] <Zugot> i know what the feds like..
[12:38] <slappy16> religious wars..sound familiar
[12:38] <slappy16> notice religion just gets people all huffy
[12:38] <Zugot> i know what my auditors from booz says works...
[12:38] <closure> what is getty?
[12:38] <djm62> that's the point...people are afraid of their own choices: it can't be arbitrary, it MUST mean something
[12:38] <samy> phanter go to System >>> Preferences >> multimedia system selector
[12:39] <Zugot> slappy16: now i have to install gcc...
[12:39] <Zugot> doh
[12:39] <slappy16> crap!
[12:39] <DeepMind> Is it possible to download the Ubuntu Human theme somewhere (Clearlooks version if there is one)? (I'm not using Ubuntu myself therefore my question.)
[12:39] <samy> it's easy with Synaptic
[12:39] <slappy16> is that in build-essentials?
[12:40] <samy> i think clearlooks is already installed on Ubuntu basic installation
[12:40] <Zugot> lets see
[12:41] <Zugot> slappy16: i'm installing build-essentials now
[12:41] <fix> hi
[12:41] <tsume_> CS people are too arrogant for me :)
[12:41] <AngelGabriel> I'm using Gnome Baker to burn my CD's but for some reason, I can't access network drives when I go to open files. I can see my network connections in Places, on the toolbar, but not in applications, is there anyway I can see network places in my applications?
[12:41] <DeepMind> samy: Unfortunatly I'm not using Ubuntu, great distro but not for me.
[12:41] <slappy16> ahh, thanks zugot
[12:41] <fix> somebody talk spanish??
[12:42] <Reblended> Seibol, I went in the bios and put acpi to maximum (no option to turn it off) = tried a boot and stops at ACPI:Subsystem revision 20050211
[12:42] <thr1ce> DeepMind, what are you using ?
[12:42] <tsume_> fix: no ;)
[12:42] <tsume_> fix: #ubuntu-es
[12:42] <Zugot> slappy16: hey... i just install libncurses5-devel and "make menuconfig" works just fine
[12:42] <slappy16> zugot: the guy looking for it just installed curses from source but now im questioning why this isnt in the universe branch
[12:42] <djm62> fix: ve a #ubuntu-es para ayuda todos en espanol
[12:42] <fix> thanks tsume_
[12:42] <DeepMind> thr1ce: I'm using Gentoo (no I'm not one of those optimizing nerds)
[12:43] <tsume_> fix: :)
[12:43] <thr1ce> DeepMind, what about the cocky and arrogant nerds?  :P
[12:43] <samy> DeepMind >> lol ^^
[12:43] <djm62> NOOOOOOoooo0o
[12:43] <djm62> no more distro sniping!
[12:43] <thr1ce> sorry!
[12:43] <tsume_> thr1ce: that would be 98% of all computer people
[12:43] <thr1ce> tsume_, nah, not us slackware folk :)
[12:44] <thr1ce> we're all laid back and segregated
[12:44] <DeepMind> thr1ce: Hehe...
[12:44] <Zugot> djm62: i agree
[12:44] <samy> the only thing i reproach to Ubuntu is the fact that there's no firewall installed in the basic installation
[12:44] <tsume_> thr1ce: hehe
[12:44] <thr1ce> though I am fascinated with ubuntu and thinking of testing her out
[12:44] <samy> and firestarter doesn't want to start at the startup of my computer
[12:44] <tsume_> thr1ce: well hopefully the trolls and arrogant people will stay away/leave the ubuntu community
[12:44] <slappy16> no tables?
[12:44] <frank__> samy, are you sure, mine does
[12:44] <thr1ce> tsume_, i'm only kidding; just interested in ubuntu, and thinking of switching
[12:45] <djm62> thr1ce: might not suit you coming from slack, but it's free to try anyhow
[12:45] <tsume_> I like people who know how to have a conversation, and dislike all the arrogance
[12:45] <AngelGabriel> When I access my network places, where are they mounted in the file system?
[12:45] <thr1ce> djm62, why do you say that ?
[12:45] <darkaudit> tsume_: let 'em stay in #debian where they belong :)
[12:45] <tsume_> darkaudit: now now :)
[12:45] <Zugot> tsume_: you really need to read what you type.  it seems that arrogance to you is anything you aren't ready to hear or see
[12:45] <phanter> debian people are not arrogant
[12:45] <Zugot> phanter: bullshit
[12:45] <djm62> thr1ce: because slack does things differently enough....depends what you prefer
[12:46] <tsume_> Zugot: no, arrogance would be subvertedly calling somebody stupid.
[12:46] <samy> i can only launch Firestarter by lauching it with root
[12:46] <darkaudit> phanter: #debian people are another matter entirely
[12:46] <thr1ce> djm62, doesn't seem that different...taking a break from compiling might be a change i'm willing to accept
[12:46] <phanter> i am a debian user (thats why i love ubuntu as well) and i do not thin ki am arrogant
[12:46] <thr1ce> djm62, it's just tough for me; is apt-get efficient at what it does ?
[12:46] <djm62> thr1ce: very
[12:46] <samy> yes very
[12:46] <Zugot> slappy16: you get that make menuconfig working yet?
[12:46] <tm17h> Hrmph -- I'm trying to get another locale setup so that I can launch e.g. with LANG=es_ES gedit and get gedit in Spanish (really I want to test i18n on my own app). I've done this before but can't seem to get it working. I have added es_ES.UTF8 to locales.gen and run locale-gen, but running LANG=es_ES gedit still gets me "locale not supported by C library" errors. What am I missing?
[12:46] <Rav> question but on most of my avi playbacks I have just sound and no image.. anyone that can recomment a codec or a player?
[12:46] <djm62> thr1ce: it's like the Arthur C Clarke thing..."sufficiently advanced"
[12:46] <frank__> samy,  i know but i think the port rules are respected without starting firestarter
[12:46] <slappy16> well..the guy who was asking got it working with source, which i assume is not the ubuntu way
[12:46] <tsume_> one of those people called the boss by his first name..
[12:47] <thr1ce> djm62, I mean...if I remove a package, will it remove *everything* ?
[12:47] <slappy16> zugot: did you find an efficient way?
[12:47] <tsume_> in a mean manner.."no lenny.. you're wrong!"
[12:47] <thr1ce> or leave odds and ends files around
[12:47] <jintxo> tm17h, have you done apt-get install locales to build es_ES? just a thought...
[12:47] <Zugot> slappy16: i just installed ncurses5-devel, and it works
[12:47] <cusco> does anyone uses gmailfs?
[12:47] <cusco> cusco@cusco:~$ fusermount: old style mounting not supported
[12:47] <djm62> thr1ce: it caches the packages by default, but that can be cleaned if you want
[12:47] <slappy16> really? ok, well..thank you again
[12:47] <slappy16> let me find out for sure
[12:48] <darkaudit> thr1ce: do a purge instead of a simple remove
[12:48] <thr1ce> ok...remember i've never used an apt-get system before
[12:48] <thr1ce> i know a little, but not much
[12:48] <jirwin> hello
[12:48] <thr1ce> i know if I installed ubuntu, coming from slac, I could pick it up pretty quick
[12:48] <jirwin> has anyone gotten transcode to install?
[12:49] <slappy16> thr1ce: apt-get update then apt-get upgrade then apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:49] <djm62> thr1ce: yeah...it makes sense
[12:49] <slappy16> thats it
[12:49] <slappy16> i love that
[12:49] <darkaudit> thr1ce: I usually use synaptic myself... only go to the command line when I must
[12:49] <thr1ce> hm...ok
[12:49] <silversetsun> Is there a specific channel for support?
[12:50] <danwolf> I wish someone had a clue what I could do about my HAL problem
[12:50] <jirwin> has anyone been able to get transcode to install?
[12:50] <thr1ce> and the pre-release (breezy now); that's pretty stable?  I know it's a pre-release, but...
[12:50] <tsume_> Zugot: Your definition is part right. I don't like hearing any conversation which is disrespectful
[12:50] <tm17h> jintxo: locales already installed. I'm running dpkg-reconfigure, though I believe this is just a script doing the same thing I jus tdid (editing locales.gen and running locales-gen)
[12:50] <Zugot> tsume_: i was just defending linux...
[12:50] <tsume_> Zugot: you don't have to
[12:50] <jirwin> transcode is giving me failed dependancies errors.
[12:50] <darkaudit> jirwin: where did you get transcode from? There are multiple repos with it available...
[12:50] <tsume_> Zugot: I wasn't telling you what was wrong with linux, I was telling you what was wrong with redhat
[12:50] <djm62> tsume_: no need to be so high-handed on what people should and shouldn't say
[12:51] <tsume_> djm62: only if its disrespectful, and you are the boss :)
[12:51] <jirwin> darkaudit, i have the sources file available from http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[12:51] <bc> cd '///home/bc/irclogs/freenode'
[12:51] <bc> cd '///home/bc/irclogs'
[12:51] <bc> cd '///home/bc/irclogs'
[12:51] <bc> cd '///home/bc/irclogs/freenode'
[12:51] <GUISlave> what's wrong with Redhat? RPMs?  :)
[12:51] <Zugot> tsume_: and i was saying, if you understand what their goal is, and you know how to work with it, it is functional.
[12:51] <samy> is it normal that i have been attacked 303 times on the internet as i can see in my firestarter events ?
[12:51] <tsume_> djm62: colleve kids are the worst at being arrogant, they don't realise who gives them thier paycheck ;)
[12:51] <bc> sorry!
[12:51] <djm62> tsume_: RH have a lot more money than me....so I'm slow to diss them
[12:51] <jintxo> tm17h, yeah, I think it's just a script that does the locales-gen but it's worth a try. I don't know but maybe you are missing a step that dpkg does not miss...
[12:52] <tsume_> Zugot: yes, but same with them are distros like mandrkae
[12:52] <Zugot> we spent over 100k in redhat licenses this year, they treat us very well
[12:52] <bc> had some kind of autopaste thing happening there...
[12:52] <silversetsun> Has anyone gotten their printer to work on Hoary?
[12:52] <tsume_> Zugot: they get paid much money, and yet use old software. They call it stable
[12:52] <jirwin> silversetsun, yes
[12:52] <darkaudit> jirwin: then IIRC that would be the Marillat repo... the cerkinfo repo has it as well, but has many more codec dependencies... he redid quite a few of them
[12:52] <djm62> tsume_: same goes for debian
[12:52] <djm62> would anyone here even consider installing woody for normal use?
[12:52] <samy> which printer i must buy for a perfect compatiblity with my linux distribution ?
[12:52] <jirwin> darkaudit, would you have any suggestions on how to get it installed?
[12:52] <darkaudit> silversetsun: yep... all depends on the printer
[12:52] <silversetsun> I'm having rather large issues with mine, jirwin.  The printer acts like it's receiving data, and then nothing happens.  I have the driver all set up.
[12:52] <DonL> silversetsun, my printer will not work directly from Thunderbird or Firefox
[12:53] <tm17h> jintxo: Certainly likely I'd missed a step, but I'm afraid dpkg-reconfigure doesn't fix it for me.
[12:53] <Zugot> tsume_: the old software is good.   it helps with the development cycle.   i know the software i have installed is absolutely guaranteed to work.   rhel isn't a consumer level linux
[12:53] <tsume_> Zugot: especially painful when you need the latest kernel, and its not exactly easy since they make so many changes which are needed for the OS to run. You can't always build your own kernel.
[12:53] <GUISlave> Debian will catch up now they have a new head
[12:53] <Zugot> tsume_: more times than not, they roll the patches into their kernel...
[12:53] <jirwin> silversetsun, what printer?
[12:53] <silversetsun> It's a Samsung CPL-400N.
[12:53] <dockane_> looks like debian is the distribution i need. or does anybody know how to reduce memory demand ?
[12:53] <tsume_> Zugot: yes, but for example, I've a Intel 2200BG, and I couldn't use it because the kernel changes and module were completely different between 2.6.8 and 2.6.10
[12:53] <Zugot> just because rhel 3 was running 2.4.21, didn't mean that you didn't get many benefits from 2.6.x in there
[12:54] <darkaudit> silversetsun: have you looked at linuxprinting.org?
[12:54] <Zugot> tsume_: are you talking about fedora core or rhel?   i'm only defending rhel.   fedora core is a mess
[12:54] <GUISlave> ubuntu demands too much memory?  ;/
[12:54] <silversetsun> It worked on my gentoo box.
[12:54] <tsume_> Zugot: the Intel 2200BG is the only driver which works with my card, and they don't make backports for minor versions of kernels
[12:54] <djm62> tsume_: probably BeOS isn't appropriate for you either...it doesn't mean no-one should use or defend it
[12:54] <Zugot> tsume_: i'm going to assume you are talking about fedora core...
[12:54] <NotANick> sweet, blowfish encryption for passwords
[12:54] <Zugot> not rhel
[12:54] <NotANick> much more secure
[12:54] <tsume_> Zugot: rhel, and other distros which use backported software
[12:54] <dockane_> GUISlave, 192 MB on my laptop is not what you are dreaming of with ubuntu
[12:55] <Zugot> tsume_: i just don't think you understand the need for an enterprise level linux distro.   and no debian, slackware, and even ubuntu aren't it....
[12:55] <b2s> tsume_: RHEL probably just isn't well suited for your application.  none of the servers I run have Intel wifi adapters in them ;)
[12:55] <dockane_> GUISlave, will try ubuntu on my desktop with 1 gb ram
[12:55] <djm62> NotANick: I'm not sure that passwords are the weak point in your security
[12:55] <GUISlave> I have a gig of DDR 400 and it's fast
[12:55] <tsume_> b2s: it should run anywhere ;)
[12:56] <b2s> tsume_: no, it shouldn't
[12:56] <GUISlave> In fact, it's not bad on a 700 mhz laptop with 512
[12:56] <NotANick> djm62: my install is solid as a brick now
[12:56] <Zugot> i have 1.5GB on my laptop, and i haven't swapped in a couple of days
[12:56] <tsume_> Zugot: anything can be enterprise level
[12:56] <NotANick> djm62: that was the last weakness i needed to patch
[12:56] <Zugot> tsume_: no...
[12:56] <tsume_> Zugot: debian stable is enterprise level for NASA ;)
[12:56] <JonnySlack> tsume_, well almost anything
[12:56] <GUISlave> Mepis is another story
[12:56] <djm62> NotANick: the last one you _know_ about ;)
[12:56] <Zugot> tsume_: rumors
[12:56] <tsume_> Zugot: most run debian
[12:56] <humbraro> running on 733/256 here, with multiple logins, no problem at all
[12:56] <tsume_> Zugot: no
[12:56] <Reblended> mepis, you're not liking it, GUISlave ?
[12:56] <Seibol> back
[12:56] <Seibol> I think
[12:56] <tsume_> Zugot: theres a fellow from the ruby community who uses debian and ruby together
[12:56] <slappy16> tsume_, zugot: NASA runs alittle of everything
[12:56] <GUISlave> No, it's bloated
[12:57] <Zugot> slappy16: thats my point...
[12:57] <GUISlave> KDE, that is
[12:57] <tsume_> slappy16: mostly debian however
[12:57] <slappy16> they even ran sgi linux, for christ sake
[12:57] <Reblended> ic
[12:57] <slappy16> and sgi linux was shit
[12:57] <b2s> Zugot: debian stable can be acceptable for some enterprise/industrial purposes.
[12:57] <tsume_> slappy16: unless its a specialised server(SGI etc)
[12:57] <slappy16> nope, it was x86
[12:57] <slappy16> 2u, 1200s..crappy
[12:57] <Zugot> b2s... i don't disagree.
[12:57] <tsume_> b2s: ubuntu stable can probably be used for enterprise now as well. it sure does have good devel.
[12:57] <Seibol> sgi linux has a purpose
[12:57] <slappy16> just was good as their failed attempt of NT w/ the 540's
[12:57] <Reblended> there's no ACPI setting in my bios (sony laptop) and noacpi doesn't seem to work in the install or live cd's
[12:58] <slappy16> sgi linux was redhat for crying out loud
[12:58] <Zugot> well does ubuntu have the tools to be mass deployed?
[12:58] <JonnySlack> Seibol, had... you mean 'had'.
[12:58] <danwolf> any of you guys know much about HAL problems?
[12:58] <b2s> tsume_: I actually plan to do a test ubuntu install tonight at our datacenter
[12:58] <Seibol> Reblended: what did you come up with
[12:58] <djm62> Zugot: out of interest, what's wrong with using a script and ssh keylogin to do it automatically?
[12:58] <Seibol> strike that
[12:58] <Seibol> had
[12:58] <tsume_> Zugot: no, the Open Source community does however
[12:58] <slappy16> djm62: thats how i do it
[12:58] <Reblended> Seibol, Ok.. in my bios the only mention of ACPI was in the chip speed... so I set the speed to max... no effect
[12:58] <tsume_> Zugot: GUI friendly doesn't mean enterprise level :)
[12:58] <danwolf> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9864
[12:58] <joshua__> sumo grappling!
[12:59] <Zugot> djm62: how are you going to use a ssh session to provision a new server?
[12:59] <djm62> Zugot: or setting a cron job in the default and maintaining your own apt-repositor to save on bandwidth
[12:59] <tsume_> Zugot: not does easy-as-in-1-min-seeing-it mean its ent level
[12:59] <Seibol> reblended, what is the vaio model number?
[12:59] <Reblended> Seibol, I'm reading up a bit on acpi, but I really don't care to use it... let the fan run full bore =p
[12:59] <Reblended> Seibol, PCG-fx190
[12:59] <Zugot> djm62: and i understand what you are getting at.   everything is possible with work.   but the question is .... does ubuntu supply those tools yet?   no they don't.
[12:59] <tsume_> b2s: I think.. ubuntu maintains a level of maturity rarely seen
[12:59] <tsume_> b2s: they listen to the community, and know what bugs are where
[01:00] <Zugot> tsume_: as does redhat
[01:00] <tsume_> b2s: which is what they need to do, instead of acting like arrogant twits like SuSE
[01:00] <GUISlave> Zugot- ubuntu hasn't been around nearly as long as redhat, and I don't think they're targeting businesses yet
[01:00] <DonL> tsume_, I too am impressed
[01:00] <Zugot> GUISlave: i agree...
[01:00] <jirwin> now when I try to install transcode it says it can't be installed because of libavcodeccvs
[01:00] <b2s> tsume_: yeah, it does seem that way.  I just wish it was as easy to rebuild packages as under redhat (rpmbuild --rebuild something.src.rpm)
[01:00] <djm62> I don't understand these things.... :-/
[01:00] <GUISlave> RPM sucks though.  I'll take apt-get over it anyday.  Ubuntu fits the bill for me
[01:00] <Zugot> b2s: actually its easier with debian...
[01:00] <Reblended> what laptops are 100% ubuntu friendly? (My sis's HP p4ht 2.3ghz seems to really like it!)
[01:01] <djm62> b2s: apt-build is one option
[01:01] <thr1ce> what kernel is breezy using ?
[01:01] <tsume_> b2s: the people at SuSE.. I was a witness.. my friend called SuSE, and he was trying to know why there was a bug, and they said it was his fault.(it was a big to where he was having trouble mounting smb on his specific setup), they fixed it in the next release :)
[01:01] <GUISlave> Besides I can still alien -i on all RPM's.
[01:01] <Zugot> Reblended: my compaq presario r3400 works farily well
[01:01] <b2s> GUISlave: RPM is perfectly fine.  probably you are just less familiar with it
[01:01] <djm62> Reblended: my hp nx9020 is working perfectly
[01:01] <darkaudit> jirwin: I'm stuck here... to many changes to my setup to use Marillat, and cerkinfo can't get one of it's dependencies :(
[01:01] <tsume_> b2s: enterprise level == b.s.
[01:01] <Reblended> thx Zugot djm62
[01:01] <darkaudit> s/too/to
[01:01] <tsume_> b2s: its up to the admin to decide what is stable
[01:02] <Zugot> tsume_: that isn't true all the time as well...
[01:02] <tsume_> rh, suse, etc.. just advertisement
[01:02] <jirwin> darkaudit, i am getting mad because I have gotten transcode to work before.
[01:02] <GUISlave> I've used RPM's in the past..
[01:02] <SeamusLP> Reblended:  I have a dell inspiron 600m, it's nice
[01:02] <Zugot> sometimes the admin has no control over what os they are using...
[01:02] <tsume_> Zugot: what you call enterprise level.. means advertisement
[01:02] <Reblended> SeamusLP, no issues?
[01:02] <Zugot> i work for the us gov't....
[01:02] <tsume_> Zugot: well sure.
[01:02] <tsume_> Zugot: hah
[01:02] <thr1ce> anyone know what kernel breezy is using right now ?
[01:02] <Seibol> Reblended:checkin out your manual, gimme a second
[01:02] <tsume_> Zugot: okay there.  I'm interested in using wine (very rarely)
[01:03] <GUISlave> Good for them.  I'd rather see that then MS
[01:03] <Zugot> redhat is saying that 10% of their sales are to the government now...
[01:03] <Seibol> ohno, not RH
[01:03] <GUISlave> wow
[01:03] <NotANick> tsume_: dude, the SS is bad...they hurt people
[01:03] <SeamusLP> Reblended:  Everything runs great, I even got it to ACPI-suspend
[01:03] <Seibol> RH to the feds?
[01:03] <Seibol> lol
[01:03] <tsume_> Zugot: those poor fellows..
[01:03] <Reblended> SeamusLP,  a dream come true!
[01:03] <slappy16> and 90% goes to support
[01:03] <GUISlave> gotta go make spaghetti.  :)
[01:03] <djm62> interesting, EU govs seem to prefer SuSe
[01:04] <tsume_> djm62: suse is going to die to novell linux :)
[01:04] <SeamusLP> Reblended:  Oh, that's right, when I was using warty I had to disable the parallel port in the BIOS.  I dunno if it's true for hoary, though.
[01:04] <Seibol> yeah and china prefers commiLinux
[01:04] <Zugot> i couldn't get ubuntu on the project i wanted if i tried.   too much to loose... and with  the gov't everything needs accountabitlity
[01:04] <robertj> does evolution have a gui for setting up procmail filters?
[01:04] <tsume_> djm62: when novell took control, thier plan was novell linux ;)
[01:04] <slappy16> dont think so
[01:04] <SeamusLP> Reblended it was causing an IRQ conflict with the wireless
[01:04] <Seibol> as long as Netware dies with it
[01:04] <Zugot> robertj: no
[01:04] <djm62> well, novell are doing something right then
[01:04] <tsume_> Seibol: maybe
[01:04] <djm62> everywhere runs novell
[01:04] <Zugot> novell needs to hurry
[01:04] <slappy16> novell screwed up by selling rights to *nix
[01:04] <tsume_> djm62: they also have control of "mono on BSD" project
[01:04] <IIIEars> Can anyone recommend a firewall/gui control with more flexibility than firestarter?
[01:04] <Reblended> SeamusLP, ugg, how'd you discover this?
[01:04] <Zugot> novell desktop linux sucks
[01:04] <tsume_> Zugot: I tried it some.. wasn't very impressed
[01:05] <slappy16> IIIEars, does it have to have a gui?  i like shorewall
[01:05] <SeamusLP> Reblended:  the ubuntu laptop database pointed it out to me.  Very useful that wiki is.
[01:05] <Rav> any way to find out what the current driver revision is of a loaded driver?
[01:05] <robertj> Zugot: do you know of any client that does?
[01:05] <Rav> Seems my device manager is less than helpful
[01:05] <tsume_> Zugot: ubuntu actually is best IMO. it doesn't have the crud of other distros
[01:05] <djm62> well, if they weren't doing mono on BSD, who would
[01:05] <IIIEars> shorewall? - hm.. - how does it work?
[01:05] <slappy16> robertj: vi
[01:05] <robertj> Zugot: I'll figure it out, but i'd prefer every time my wife adds a list...
[01:05] <slappy16> ;)
[01:05] <Zugot> now all the linux admins who work for me are free to use whatever desktop they want, and i've converted them all to ubuntu
[01:05] <IIIEars> how do you configure it?
[01:05] <tsume_> Zugot: I was in a OS search, and stopped using everything but BSD for 3 years
[01:05] <Reblended> SeamusLP, I don't remember the last time I've used my || port... never, I believe.
[01:05] <slappy16> zugot: can i work for you?
[01:05] <Reblended> SeamusLP, what vid card do you run?
[01:05] <Seibol> Reblended: do you have a wireless PCMCIA card in your vaio?
[01:05] <Zugot> slappy16: you live near dc?
[01:06] <b2s> Zugot: yes, our admins are all in the process of switching to ubuntu as well
[01:06] <djm62> BSD people have had maintainance issues
[01:06] <tsume_> Zugot: I tried all linuxes again to see if they grew up. ubuntu risen out of the ashses
[01:06] <tbird> http://www.lart.com/auk/aukfaq.html
[01:06] <slappy16> shorewall has a collection of files that are pieces of the entire firewall component
[01:06] <Reblended> Seibol, I plan to use one, but I"m eth0
[01:06] <Zugot> when i worked for advertising.com, i installed lots of bsd servers for serving adds...
[01:06] <tsume_> Zugot: I know what makes a distro good.. especially after doing the research
[01:06] <slappy16> zugot: no, i live in the left-coast
[01:06] <IIIEars> saw it in synaptic I'll google itfor more info - Thanks for the tip
[01:06] <Seibol> do you have any PCMCIA cards in your vaio?
[01:06] <Reblended> Seibol, nope
[01:06] <SeamusLP> Reblended:  Radeon 9000 on my laptop.  It runs alright, no problems out of the box.
[01:06] <tsume_> Zugot: binary packages which are updated often are a plus :)
[01:06] <tsume_> Zugot: nobody wants to build software forever :)
[01:07] <SeamusLP> Reblended:  Haven't tried gaming on it
[01:07] <Zugot> i need to get back to coding...
[01:07] <slappy16> ahem: emerge
[01:07] <nicoOo> is there a way to add entries to the "places" menu?
[01:07] <Seibol> oh then this makes it east, sell that bad boy on ebay and get another laptop
[01:07] <Zugot> tsume_: i still have a place in my heart for gentoo
[01:07] <Seibol> east = easy
[01:07] <djm62> I know what makes a distro good: doing what I want, how I want it
[01:07] <slappy16> what are you coding in, zugot?
[01:07] <tsume_> Zugot: which seens to happen when I use BSD.. I install over 4k in packages
[01:07] <Reblended> SeamusLP, great! yah, I don't have time for games, but I do wish my sony vaio would digital scale, the intel card just doesnt' cut it
[01:07] <Zugot> c++
[01:07] <djm62> the universal gold standard
[01:07] <slappy16> ahh
[01:07] <tsume_> Zugot: I've never liked gentoo
[01:07] <Reblended> Seibol, No, no pcmcia cards.
[01:07] <Zugot> slappy16: i'm porting update-notifier to kde...
[01:07] <tsume_> Zugot: optmising everying != good
[01:07] <Reblended> Seibol, but I do have to slots
[01:07] <Reblended> *two
[01:08] <slappy16> no kidding? are you a contributor or on the devel team?
[01:08] <tsume_> Zugot: bigger footprint in some bins which degrade speed
[01:08] <Zugot> and i'm also working on making the kmail message view look more like gmail converstations
[01:08] <bluefoxicy> can grub boot usb
[01:08] <slappy16> sounds like you love kde
[01:08] <Zugot> yes i do
[01:08] <Reblended> SeamusLP, you use external kb and mouse, yes?
[01:08] <Zugot> kde has a great foundation...
[01:09] <djm62> mmmm, diversity
[01:09] <Rav> Ok let me rephrase my question.. what is the version of the Nvidia driver in 5.04 .. anyone know?
[01:09] <blueyed> do I have to compile libapache2-mod-php4 to get mysql support?
[01:09] <SeamusLP> Reblended:  Keyboard on the laptop is fine, but I do plug in a USB every once in awhile
[01:09] <slappy16> very good, very good
[01:09] <eggy> desrt
[01:09] <slappy16> alright all...take care
[01:09] <Reblended> SeamusLP, yah, I rarely use the built in kb... what resolution are you running at?
[01:10] <desrt> eggy?
[01:10] <Reblended> Seibol, let's see... second
[01:10] <eggy> sorry - was an acident
[01:10] <Zugot> i was very close to buying a usb keyboard for my laptop today.   i hate this thing
[01:10] <Reblended> Seibol, disabled
[01:11] <DonL> Rav, mine says 1.0-7174
[01:11] <Reblended> Seibol, no runtime speed
[01:11] <desrt> Zugot; might i recommend apple's pro usb keyboard.  it's extremely good
[01:11] <Reblended> Seibol, don't tell me that is it!?
[01:11] <Rav> Dont: where and how do you check that?
[01:11] <DonL> Rav, I don't know if that was from an update though
[01:11] <Rav> Hmm
[01:11] <Zugot> desrt: i'll swing to compusa or the apple store tomorrow to have a look
[01:11] <Rav> Well I am trying to find out what revision I am now stuff with
[01:11] <SeamusLP> Reblended: Unfortunately I didn't get a chance to test the higher end screens for the 600m
[01:11] <desrt> Zugot; best part is - no windows keys :)
[01:12] <djm62> lilo'd!
[01:12] <SeamusLP> Reblended:  I'm stuck with 1024 x 768
[01:12] <Rav> So where does it state what version is currently in
[01:12] <robertj> I use an Apple USB keyboard, it's okay but not great
[01:12] <dockane_> could somebody please try to reach http://www.fh-bochum.de and tell me if its work
[01:12] <Reblended> SeamusLP, test? you mean you can't just set it higher?
[01:12] <dockane_> *it works
[01:12] <robertj> definately above average though, but I miss my Microsoft Natural
[01:12] <Zugot> SeamusLP: i have a new work dell coming in next week... we ordered them with 1400x1050... 1024x768 sucks
[01:12] <Zugot> desrt: i don't mind the windows key
[01:12] <Reblended> Seibol, ty will do.. brb
[01:12] <Seibol> roberj: are you friggen serious?
[01:12] <Zugot> i have kde configured to actually use it
[01:12] <DonL> Rav, go to Synaptic and get nvidia-settings
[01:12] <desrt> Zugot; sort of a joke :)
[01:13] <robertj> Seibol: why?
[01:13] <bogus> wiiiiiiii :)
[01:13] <djm62> wow
[01:13] <Reblended> Zugot, make sure it does digital scaling. My vaio doesn't but it has a 1400x1050rez and the digital scaling sure is nice to have...
[01:13] <Zugot> smoke break time
[01:14] <pepsi> wee
[01:14] <DonL> Am I back?
[01:14] <Reblended> Zugot, that is, I wish I had digital scaling
[01:14] <SeamusLP> damn you all
[01:14] <robertj> wb
[01:14] <robertj> anyway, I do like my Natural
[01:14] <djm62> digital scaling==non-integer number of cells per pixel?#
[01:14] <Rav> Thats the one :)
[01:14] <Rav> Yeah that is the one from the update
[01:14] <Rav> Guess I restart my xorg.conf since I did not comment out dri and glcore
[01:14] <Seibol> how you u "unnotify" someone?
[01:15] <SeamusLP> time to use a better server guys :)
[01:15] <robertj> The Microsoft Natural series feels good to my hands
[01:15] <Seibol> or clear the entire notify list?
[01:15] <djm62> time to use....jabber!
[01:15] <Seibol> my wifes ass feels good on my hands
[01:15] <Seibol> lol
[01:16] <robertj> unfortunately, they don't seem to make the USB Natural anymore :(
[01:16] <SeamusLP> I think I was having a conversation with someone about some stuff.  Who was that now?
[01:17] <Seibol> Seamus: I think it was Joe
[01:17] <robertj> I really like the fact that you can get low power notifications on the Powermacs by plugging a USB keychain drive into the keyboard
[01:17] <djm62> must have been one of the hokey-cokeyers
[01:17] <Seibol> robertj: u running linux on a Mac?
[01:17] <djm62> robertj: ?
[01:17] <don-o> my laptop cdrom drive is busted. is there a ubuntu startup-disk to do a net install of hoary?
[01:17] <don-o> s/disk/floppy disk/
[01:17] <SeamusLP> Seibol:  Joe.
[01:17] <tsume_> don-o: buy a USB cdrom drive? :)
[01:18] <SeamusLP> hahaha
[01:18] <Seibol> lol
[01:18] <darkaudit> is powernowd useful, or even recommended, on a desktop machine?
[01:18] <SeamusLP> I haven't heard that since high school :P
[01:18] <djm62> is it possible to upgrade from sarge to hoary?
[01:18] <Seibol> I slapped Ubuntu on my Mac G3 yesterday
[01:18] <Seibol> but, its a damn G3 if you know what I mean
[01:18] <djm62> minimal sarge with no X
[01:19] <limer> I found some odd behavior when using a virtual console.  if I use "$" and then CAPS lock, the letter "e" is not capped
[01:19] <Seibol> I wouldn't think so djm62, not without losing something
[01:19] <limer> anyone else want to test this?
[01:19] <djm62> Seibol: losing what?
[01:19] <Seibol> like your dignity
[01:19] <Seibol> pfft
[01:20] <Seibol> lol
[01:20] <Seibol> <--funny guy
[01:20] <Seibol> I don't know I'm still considerd a nOOb
[01:20] <Seibol> mmm beer
[01:20] <robertj> Seibol, djm62: sorry for zoning out
[01:20] <beastmaster> ?
[01:20] <robertj> I dual boot Ubuntu and OS X at work
[01:20] <djm62> Seibol: in debian, you're considered a n00b until you've written a substantial part of it
[01:21] <tsume_> djm62: heh
[01:21] <Seibol> I should start, them guys take forever
[01:21] <robertj> I spend less time in Ubuntu because I can't figure out how to do dual head with the nv driver
[01:21] <tsume_> djm62: yep
[01:21] <SeamusLP> Seibol You could have an Apple II, mac zealots would bid it up to $500 on ebay.
[01:21] <djm62> one of the distasteful things about them
[01:21] <Seibol> Apple 2?
[01:21] <Seibol> oh yeah
[01:21] <robertj> Saemus: it's absolutely retarded, Silver-towe G4's go for $800!
[01:21] <DonL> Anybody want an old Atari?
[01:21] <Seibol> G3 300 (non beige)
[01:21] <Seibol> poop
[01:21] <Seibol> I had an old atari
[01:21] <AngelGabriel> robertj, How did you manage to dual boot OSX and ubuntu?
[01:21] <Seibol> cartridges and hooked it up to the TV
[01:22] <DonL> This one's a Mega 4 STE
[01:22] <Seibol> use uhh
[01:22] <SeamusLP> robertj:  Yeah you can't get a deal on a mac on ebay
[01:22] <Seibol> whats that boot loader
[01:22] <Seibol> yaboot
[01:22] <DonL> Seibol, Just imagine. 4 megs of ram
[01:22] <djm62> robertj: what's this about the low-power-notification?
[01:22] <SeamusLP> robertj:  People will bid used g5s to within $200 of the retail price
[01:23] <Seibol> I have G3 300Mhz 320MB ram
[01:23] <robertj> djm: some USB keychains "draw too much power" from the front port of the G4s.
[01:23] <djm62> ah right...
[01:23] <robertj> If I recall correctly, it still works fine but it's annoying to my users
[01:23] <joshua__> hahaha.  chmod u+w /* instead of chmod u+w ./*
[01:23] <robertj> Seibol: those machines were good
[01:24] <SeamusLP> tsume_:  As an african american I take offence to that.
[01:24] <Seibol> that is the same with everything Seamus
[01:24] <robertj> Seibol: The G5s are just flakey
[01:24] <Seibol> G3 = POS compared to everything else I won
[01:24] <Seibol> own not won
[01:24] <NotANick> as a white giuy trying to black I take offence at that too
[01:24] <robertj> I'm new to the Mac-world (well, 2 years now) but my co-worker has been in it professionally since System 7.
[01:24] <nickrud> are we still on the who's on the splash screen thing?
[01:24] <Seibol> as a white guy trying to be white I could give a shit
[01:25] <IIIEars> I have Ubuntu configured and running with all of my favorite apps and widgets finely tuned (grin).  How do i back up *everything* to a hard drive with dd?
[01:25] <djm62> the ubuntu people look like they should be on some sitcom
[01:25] <tsume_> SeamusLP: you haven't been to Memphis, TN.. have you? :)
[01:25] <robertj> He says none of the G4s have had anywhere near the problems the G5s have
[01:25] <Seibol> MAC is slow to PC
[01:25] <Seibol> G5 doesn't have a OS yet
[01:25] <djm62> all aspirational and wealthy :-/
[01:25] <Seibol> waiting on Tiger
[01:25] <SeamusLP> tsume_:  Didn't I just say that I'm an african american?
[01:25] <robertj> speaking of slow, I've got a dual 2.5 on the way with 2 gigs of ram and I am hoping to get a free bump if they announce new macs ;)
[01:25] <tsume_> most of the black culture unfortunately has been infected by violence
[01:26] <Seibol> tsume_ yeah you dick beater
[01:26] <nickrud> ignore tsume_
[01:26] <tsume_> though, the only decent acting african americans are about 30-40
[01:26] <DonL> A friend of mine who's into video and tv just bought the most expensive mac set up I've ever seen. Cost a fortune
[01:26] <tsume_> years old
[01:26] <djm62> SeamusLP: best leave it to the experts, eh ;)
[01:26] <Seibol> damn skippy
[01:26] <robertj> heya guys, I've been to some pretty rough spots, they just have flaws that are easier to see
[01:26] <tsume_> oh wait.. all my friends who are black been through army training..
[01:27] <IIIEars> (sigh) it isn't easy being a new Ubuntu user.  Woman goes to her car from conference.. black guy jumps behind her, throws her in trunk... drives 2 miles, rapes her. drives back top convention center where her reserved parking spot is.. when to front desk "Shes in the trunk" walks out
[01:29] <thread> Anyone have experience with wireless? I installed netapplet, I select the network I want to get onto, and ifconfig shows my eth0 with an inet6 addr .. it never seems to get the proper ip from the wireless router
[01:30] <nickrud> how does ignore work? (new to irc)
[01:30] <tsume_> Seibol: memphis is a really bad area
[01:30] <Seibol> memphis like Gary, IN?
[01:30] <djm62> yeah...that happens in bad areas all over
[01:30] <robertj> nickrud: in xchat right click their name and use the ignore menu
[01:30] <DonL> thread, sorry. I'm wired
[01:30] <nickrud> robertj: thanks
[01:30] <thread> DonL: thanks for answering
[01:30] <tsume_> djm62: it happens in memphis often 8)
[01:30] <DonL> np
[01:30] <djm62> north of england over here, or indeed the east end of glasgow
[01:30] <hypno> does anyone know of a way to get xine to play sound via esd?
[01:31] <tsume_> djm62: I just seen a paper which made its way from memphis to knoxville somehow
[01:31] <jirwin> hello
[01:31] <robertj> tsume: so?   And my view of the world may be slighty diffrent to that idiot tsume_ , but please someone correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't every culture worldwide, black, white, green, yellow, suffer from crime, violent crime, corruption, and basically all things negative?
[01:32] <jirwin> DonL, so re burn?
[01:32] <tsume_> robertj: coming from him.. it means something
[01:32] <mainer> jirwin: boot options like framebuffer,network ,etc,check F1 for options
[01:32] <djm62> poverty is the thing
[01:32] <DonL> I would, jirwin
[01:33] <djm62> give people nothing else to do, and violence will ensue
[01:33] <Zugot> damn... i'm a black guy living in the US...   i just don't think folks get it..
[01:33] <nickrud> djm62: ack, and we please drop this?
[01:33] <DonL> jirwin, and go slow
[01:33] <tsume_> memphis actually used to be a peaceful place 40 years ago
[01:33] <jirwin> mainer, what?
[01:33] <Seibol> how the hell did we get onto this subject
[01:33] <jirwin> DonL, meaning?
[01:33] <djm62> nickrud: yeah...
[01:33] <DonL> burn at a slow speed
[01:33] <nomasteryoda> #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:33] <jirwin> DonL, ok
[01:33] <rrfs1> hello, i have a problem with the file .ICEauthority , every time that i have to enter on ubuntu i have to delete that file. somebody know how to do?
[01:33] <suifur> What kind of luck have people had going from Warty to Hoary in just an upgrade?
[01:33] <robertj> AngelGabriel: yeah, black in America is just different than black in London though. Blacks in London act "white", which is honestly what we want from everybody.  I'll cry.. that would be sad.
[01:34] <MikeA> why do I get this on starting bash?
[01:34] <MikeA> -bash: id: command not found
[01:34] <MikeA> -bash: [: : integer expression expected
[01:34] <robertj> hypno: that's the truth. "white" is normal, but there really isn't a postiive culture that is associated with blacks
[01:34] <AngelGabriel> robertj, Blacks in LONDON DO NOT ACT WHITE, I CAN TELL YOU THAT FOR FREE.  (I think)
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> I'm an .au ian
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> and I can tell
[01:36] <HrdwrBoB> hell most of the time I can give you region
[01:36] <propagandhi> rrfs1: do mv /home/username/.kde /home/username/.kde-old
[01:36] <Reblended> HrdwrBoB, I'm a .com ian
[01:36] <joshua__> Interesting discussion for an Ubuntu related irc channel. lmao
[01:36] <Reblended> US owns all the .com
[01:36] <SeamusLP> Must...filter....bullshit...find..real....questions
[01:36] <AngelGabriel> ACTUALLY - How did we get into this RACE thingy ... I just want to talk about Ubuntu
[01:36] <tsume_> I used to work at a boys club, and I can say half of the black kids looked like thjey were going somewhere. the ones who knew how to dress and do thier hair acted correctly
[01:36] <propagandhi> rrfs1: do it in a failsafe terminal or such
[01:37] <rrfs1> propagandhi i use
[01:37] <robertj> Angel: I know there are differences but I am saying that London blacks would be considered "acting white."
[01:37] <superfrog> hi is anybody interested to help me to awake my sleeping ati 9500 pro ?
[01:37] <rrfs1> gnome
[01:37] <djm62> HrdwrBoB: I'm scottish....I _notice_ when people get it wrong...and it does happen...think .au vs .nz
[01:37] <tsume_> the kids which didn't look like they were going somewhere looked like the black kid on the frontpage
[01:37] <djm62> HrdwrBoB: feesh and cheeps ;)
[01:37] <Reblended> Seibol, not too many options in the bios...
[01:37] <joshua__> What is ubuntu-desktop?
[01:37] <joshua__> I accidently uninstalled it along with totem?
[01:37] <DonL> djm62, I'm guilty of that
[01:37] <rrfs1> propagandhi i use gnome
[01:37] <SeamusLP> superfrog:  your 9500 pro is sleeping?
[01:37] <HrdwrBoB> djm62: heh au and NZ are not even close
[01:37] <NotANick> SeamusLP: How do  I get my black network card to work as good as my white network card?
[01:37] <hypno> robertj, they are not acting white, they are acting however they want. Or do you think that all black people instinctively act like gangsters?
[01:37] <propagandhi> rrfs1: okay, well then u need to move the gnome settings dir, which i dont know the name of at the moment. someone else may know the name
[01:37] <superfrog> yes the 3d stuf doesnt work
[01:38] <AngelGabriel> robertj, Okay, I respect your opinion, and naturally, you'd have a diffrent insight to the whole thing, but all i want to know really, is why?
[01:38] <HrdwrBoB> djm62: though my parents (and myself) get mistaken for beign english when overseas
[01:38] <robertj> "acting white" is it's own thing, it's not what white people do
[01:38] <djm62> HrdwrBoB: they are from over here....I'm an accent geek so I care :)
[01:38] <tsume_> robertj: heh.
[01:38] <robertj> AngelGabriel: because here there are no positive cultures that blacks can associate with really
[01:38] <tsume_> robertj: some do ;)
[01:38] <NotANick> SeamusLP: help?
[01:38] <hypno> robertj, sounds complicated
[01:38] <nickrud> joshua__ don't worry too much, it's a 'meta-package' meaning it pulls in what ubuntu thinks you need for a desktop
[01:38] <tsume_> actually a good portion does
[01:38] <superfrog> pleasse
[01:38] <SeamusLP> NotANick: ndiswrapper
[01:38] <joshua__> nickrud:  Sounds like something that'd eventually piss me off. ;)  Thanks
[01:38] <superfrog> really?
[01:38] <AngelGabriel> robertj, where is here for you?
[01:39] <nickrud> It's a good starting point :)
[01:39] <kakalto> does system shock 2 work under wine?
[01:39] <robertj> here is a university town about 2 hours from Atlanta
[01:39] <SeamusLP> superfrog:  What is wrong with your card?
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> kakalto: yes
[01:39] <robertj> (UGA at Athens for those of you in the South)
[01:39] <kakalto> sweet
[01:39] <thechitowncubs> Hey, what is your guys favorite program?
[01:39] <thechitowncubs> J/W
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> thechitowncubs: ls
[01:39] <Reblended> ok.. lemme see if it has anything listed Seibol  brb
[01:39] <kakalto> to install wine properly, what do I have to do?
[01:39] <djm62> thechitowncubs: emacs!
[01:39] <HrdwrBoB> kakalto: apt-get install wine
[01:39] <kakalto> I installed winetools, but it says wine wasn't installed properlu
[01:39] <kakalto> the configuration files and stuff aren't there
[01:40] <Seibol> :
[01:40] <AngelGabriel> robertj, explain that last thing, about the positive cultures?
[01:40] <DonL> Yeah. I'm having no luck with Wine
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> just get the 'wine' package
[01:40] <thechitowncubs> Really? That's your guys favorite program?
[01:40] <HrdwrBoB> and run wine ss2
[01:40] <DonL> Guess I'll stick to beer
[01:40] <kakalto> DonL :D
[01:40] <rrfs1> propagandhi how u find the kde settings maybe in that way i can find the gnome settengis?
[01:40] <djm62> thechitowncubs: maybe gaim....gaim works right
[01:40] <thechitowncubs> gaim is good, it needs to be more customizable
[01:40] <tsume_> robertj: I still think most African Americans(who usually aren't in armed forces, haven't gone to college, or thought about helping humanity) are bad like the rest of of the white trash, just not low as them.  It shows to me they work ;)
[01:41] <kakalto> HrdwrBoB, I do that, but it can't find ss2
[01:41] <dragon_> hm..
[01:41] <dragon_> hello?
[01:41] <dockane_> thechitowncubs, man is cool.
[01:41] <tsume_> I've white trash living nex to me unfortunately :(
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> kakalto: well by 'ss2' I mean the system shock executable
[01:41] <Zugot> tsume_: wow... you are a sad person
[01:41] <IIIEars> has anyone tried "Gyach" in place of GAIM - what is it like?
[01:41] <dragon_> a.... i need a little help..
[01:41] <MikeA>  why do I get this on starting bash?
[01:41] <MikeA>  -bash: id: command not found
[01:41] <MikeA>  -bash: [: : integer expression expected
[01:41] <HrdwrBoB> and you have to be in the system shock 2 directory
[01:41] <kakalto> HrdwrBoB, ahh
[01:41] <robertj> Angel: thinking on how to say this exactly...
[01:41] <kakalto> HrdwrBoB, I thought that's how I'm meant to fix it
[01:41] <tsume_> her daddy bought her a trailer and everything when she was knocked up and the boy friend ran away
[01:41] <dragon_> i'm trying to install VMware tool and it's asking me where GCC is
[01:41] <Seibol> well tsume_ since you can't drop it man
[01:41] <propagandhi> rrfs1: view the hidden folders in ur home directory
[01:41] <tsume_> Zugot: no, just realise how life really is
[01:42] <djm62> ignore
[01:42] <hypno> robertj, i think you're well meaning but could benefit from some experience and travel :)
[01:42] <Zugot> hmm
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> dragon_: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[01:42] <djm62> is all you can do with judgemental people
[01:42] <tsume_> Zugot: what is sad are the lower parts of South Africa
[01:42] <Zugot> let me test out ignore in konversation
[01:42] <dragon_> oh is that where gcc is?
[01:42] <mdke> hi there, i've just installed splashy, and now I am trying to fix all errors during boot so that it doesn't kick out into verbose mode during boot. Last one to do is: Setting up general console font... t_kernel_font: Invalid argument. <-- Does anyone know how to solve this?
[01:42] <djm62> they won't change, they won't go away
[01:42] <HrdwrBoB> dragon_: build essential will get gcc and all the needed apps to build stuff
[01:42] <zooted> Any reports of X locking up on ati based laptops?  I can't seem to run the live CD on my P4 laptop without X locking after about 5 minutes with 99% cpu going to X.
[01:42] <dragon_> ic...
[01:43] <nickrud> djm62: judgmental is ok, just the tarring is wrong.
[01:43] <robertj> Angel: the idea is that anyone who has a good education, refrains from basic thuggary, works hard, etc "acts white."
[01:43] <MikeA> How can I restore my /etc/profile to the default? what do I apt-get?
[01:43] <dragon_> ok i'm going to try it now
[01:43] <robertj> Angel: and it's shared by both blacks and whites
[01:43] <netpuppy> is there a tool to run ldd on all binaries and libs on a system and report missing shared libs?
[01:43] <dragon_> thanks for help :)
[01:43] <tsume_> robertj: define "acts white" please :)
[01:43] <djm62> nickrud: judgemental is a word which has strayed far in its connotations
[01:43] <robertj> tsume: I just did
[01:43] <Reblended> ubuntu is a plug and play o/s, yes?
[01:43] <nickrud> djm62: true, so lets bring it back :)
[01:43] <tsume_> oh
[01:44] <djm62> Reblended: for the most part, yes
[01:44] <mdke> anyone know how to help me?
[01:44] <Reblended> ok thx djm62
[01:44] <hypno> robertj, i dont think those labels are entirely useful for both sides..
[01:44] <tsume_> robertj: sorry, I missed the context :)
[01:44] <robertj> hypno: that's what the yare though
[01:44] <djm62> nickrud: while we're at it, I have a fondness for "catamite"
[01:44] <hypno> robertj, then you should not promote them :)
[01:44] <nickrud> djm62: truly, some of my best friends.
[01:44] <dragon_> hm... ok i think the install was successful
[01:44] <dragon_> but... i don't still know where
[01:44] <dragon_> gcc is -_-;
[01:44] <djm62> the word, I mean
[01:44] <tsume_> robertj: basically yes, plus add.. "doesn't promote violence" ex. the white rapper guy who thinks hes black
[01:44] <IIIEars> << Ignores Tsume for non-linux chat and bigotry
[01:45] <robertj> hypno: I really don't mind this one, I think it's antagonistic enough to be useful
[01:45] <hypno> a person who doesn't torch cars and hold up conviennce stores isn't acting white, he's acting rationally
[01:45] <djm62> it should be used more often
[01:45] <mdke> whoa is there any ONtopic chat going on in here
[01:45] <nickrud> as an insult, or description?
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> dragon_: it's in the path
[01:45] <djm62> nickrud: description...
[01:45] <tsume_> IIIEars: it has to do with ubuntu linux and the gangster kid on the homepage of ubuntu.org
[01:45] <HrdwrBoB> you should be able to accept the default
[01:45] <dragon_> what do you mean it's in the path?  ?
[01:45] <kakalto> mdke, topic? what's that? :P
[01:45] <dragon_> I've never used linux before.. -__-;;;;
[01:45] <propagandhi> mdke: have u seen this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/search.php?s=abb651943bcd89cb3104b56c0eec7ad9&searchid=556882
[01:46] <djm62> nickrud: it's just flavourful... :-/
[01:46] <hypno> gangster?? he doesn't look like a gangster to me.  Congrats - i am new also Ubuntu is very nice isn't it?
[01:46] <dragon_> oh ya
[01:46] <nomasteryoda> dragon_: in 2 weeks you'll feel  quite at home if you spend some time in this channel
[01:46] <juan> hi guyz how can I get the warty human theme on hoary? I like so much it! =D ? :P
[01:46] <dragon_> hahaha I hope so :)
[01:46] <mdke> propagandhi, no, thanks for showing: which thread should I be looking at?
[01:47] <tsume_> hypno: not compared to people in my area. If he was wearing a plain blue shirt, I might have considered what you describe him as
[01:47] <djm62> nickrud: I'm only /ignoring/ tsume...the channel is temporarily lost :-/
[01:47] <propagandhi> theres one that deals with setting vga=792
[01:47] <dragon_> install wasn't as hard/confusing as I thought..
[01:47] <propagandhi> u could try that
[01:47] <propagandhi> in ur menu.lst file (if ur using grub)\
[01:47] <IIIEars> Ubuntu - detected all of my hardware well enough to start learning about Linux. :)
[01:47] <nickrud> djm62: although it is tangentially related to the broader concept of ubuntu, so lets watch.
[01:47] <dragon_> haha same here :) I can even listen to mp3s
[01:47] <mdke> propagandhi, its on 792 at the moment i think
[01:48] <robertj> Which I believe is why a lot of the upper-middle class blacks are celebrating Kwanza and the like, to try to create a black-culture that can co-exist with the ideals put forth by "being white"
[01:48] <djm62> nickrud: true...I hope things stay relatively sane in the UK
[01:48] <robertj> err "acting white"
[01:48] <robertj> which I will be the first to tell you aren't great ideals
[01:48] <dragon_> neways... anyone know where GCC is located ?
[01:48] <mdke> robertj, can you take this discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic please?
[01:48] <g0mej> I new to unbuntu linux as using apple mac om linux can any body help
[01:48] <jirwin> hello
[01:48] <a_peck> is the ubuntu site based on a cms or is it custom-made?
[01:48] <Resonant> Plone
[01:48] <Reblended> Seibol, you are a God-send!, TY TY TY TY
[01:48] <nomasteryoda> dragon_: yea, the ubuntu installer is quite simple ... one thing to bear in mind is keeping your monitor on during startup... xorg seems to read the resolution from the monitor and match it as closly as possible
[01:48] <Resonant> Thats what its based off of, a highly modified Plone site
[01:48] <nickrud> djm62: sanity is always on a personal level, never (almost) on an institutional.
[01:48] <dragon_> oh ic
[01:49] <mdke> djm62, thanks, try and get em to follow you
[01:49] <nomasteryoda> but if it is off then i always get 640x480
[01:49] <IIIEars> dragon - synaptic is the best - it will make getting needed dependencies a snap. - I really like streamtuner/streamripper recording radio to mp3s is great. :)
[01:49] <Zugot> plone is god
[01:49] <Resonant> Indeed
[01:49] <dragon_> mine is 1024 758 which is great I think..
[01:49] <Resonant> How do I make wget go through a proxy?
[01:49] <fin_uk> nomasteryoda: does this mean ubuntu won't work nicely with a monitor-less PC - ie headless server?
[01:49] <HrdwrBoB> Resonant: man wget
[01:49] <danwolf> anyone here installed the gmail-notify package from sourceforge?
[01:49] <nomasteryoda> fin_uk: no, it works fine
[01:49] <danwolf> I can't seem to get it to install
[01:49] <fin_uk> nice one - that's what I have planned... thx.
[01:49] <IIIEars> ROFLMAO @Reblended
[01:50] <Resonant> HrdwrBoB: It doesn't tell me what environtment variable I have to set.
[01:50] <juan> hi guyz how can I get the warty human theme on hoary? I like so much it! =D ? :P
[01:50] <djm62> nickrud: less sure about that...I think there is such a thing as "national character" even if it is impermanent
[01:50] <danwolf> when I dpkg-i gmail-notify it gives me dependency errors
[01:50] <propagandhi> mdke: sorry, in that case, i dont know what else u can try
[01:50] <mdke> propagandhi, thanks tho
[01:50] <propagandhi> ii havent had that problem
[01:50] <HrdwrBoB> Resonant: 'PROXY' :)
[01:50] <jirwin> what else could cause my installer to stop at the exact same spot?
[01:50] <propagandhi> no worries
[01:50] <jirwin> when installing hoary?
[01:50] <Resonant> lol, Seems like I always overlook the obvious. lol
[01:50] <danwolf> mainly python dependencies, but I already have higher versions that it even needs
[01:50] <danwolf> anyone have an answer?
[01:51] <DonL> no luck yet, jirwin ?
[01:51] <paul__> FATAL: Error inserting ipw2200 (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2200.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[01:51] <mdke> propagandhi, i'm gonna try 791
[01:51] <nickrud> djm62: I'm given to sweeping statements, they require less backup :)\
[01:51] <paul__> can someone help me with this error?
[01:51] <danwolf> why does noone listen when you have a problem in here?
[01:51] <danwolf> haha
[01:52] <mdke> nickrud, *points at #ubuntu-offtopic*
[01:52] <nickrud> danwolf: we do, but the people here at the moment don't always know the answer.
[01:52] <dragon_> What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[01:52] <dragon_> kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]
[01:52] <danwolf> haha
[01:52] <dragon_> ok..
[01:52] <jirwin> haven't tried...but it was hanging after i formatted so I wanted to ask about it before I went
[01:52] <dragon_> i got this message..
[01:52] <g0mej> Wpould give advice unbuntu for power pc ?
[01:52] <danwolf> ok nickrud, thanks
[01:52] <juan> hi guyz how can I get the warty human theme on hoary? I like so much it! =D ? :P
[01:52] <danwolf> nickrud: you see what I said? You don't have a clue
[01:53] <rrfs1> propagandhi, i find that in /home/myusername/  is the /.gnome and /.kde . with mv i will rename .gnome to gnome-old, why?
[01:53] <nickrud> danwolf: true, that's why I'm not trying to help.
[01:53] <DonL> jirwin, any time I had that happen, it was either a burning error or a download error. If you try reburning nice and slow (I use 4X for data) and have the same results, try re-downloading
[01:53] <danwolf> nickrud: that was a question, sorry
[01:53] <danwolf> nickrud: no offense
[01:53] <propagandhi> rrfs1: it will cause all the files to be rebuilt by gnome
[01:54] <dockane_> who mentioned streamtuner ? thnx for that cool program
[01:54] <propagandhi> rrfs1: i had the same problem, only with KDE last night
[01:54] <LinuxJones> danwolf, dpkg doesn't resolve dependencies when you install a random .deb that you downloaded from the Internet
[01:54] <danwolf> LinuxJones: I understand that
[01:54] <rrfs1> propagandhi but which did it?
[01:54] <mdke> propagandhi, 791 didn't do it
[01:54] <danwolf> LinuxJones: I don't know how to get it then
[01:54] <rrfs1> propagandhi but now which did it?
[01:55] <danwolf> LinuxJones: what can I do to get the dependencies met for the package?
[01:55] <propagandhi> rrfs1: i ran the mv command and it fixed it if thats what u mean
[01:55] <jirwin> ok
[01:55] <juan> hi guyz how can I get the warty human theme on hoary? I like so much it! =D ? :P
[01:55] <g0mej> does wont to talk with I have using linux i86 platform for some years now can any body help with ppc apple mac I just install it with  no probles at all
[01:55] <jirwin> DonL, if I had a cd that worked before, would there be any other reason it hung?
[01:55] <propagandhi> mdke: i will see if theres anything else - no promises
[01:55] <DonL> juan, I did an update, and it was still there
[01:55] <danwolf> heh
[01:55] <DonL> jirwin, it worked before???
[01:55] <mdke> propagandhi, ;) i will search the forum too
[01:55] <danwolf> tsume_: not me, I like in AR
[01:55] <dragon_> hm where is "C Header"?
[01:55] <propagandhi> mdke: okay, easy
[01:56] <dragon_> I got the gcc part
[01:56] <jirwin> DonL, my friend has a working cd
[01:56] <juan> DonL I want to have the old warty human theme on Hoary, do you have it?
[01:56] <LinuxJones> danwolf, it depends on how many different packages you need, they will have to all be found and installed. For something as trivial as gmail-notifier that it's going to be a lot of work :D
[01:56] <tsume_> danwolf: :/ you have a wolf logo for your personal emblem too I suppose? ;)
[01:56] <danwolf> tsume_: Dan Wolf isn't my name anyway, its a nickname someone gave me cause I looked like a wolf with really long hair
[01:56] <IIIEars> What file is the list of all installed apps?
[01:56] <DonL> juan, yes I have it and it works
[01:56] <danwolf> tsume_: nope
[01:56] <tsume_> danwolf: oh, heh :)
[01:56] <juan> DonL where did you get it? :D
[01:56] <DonL> ok, jirwin , then I don't know. Sorry
[01:56] <juan> I love it =D
[01:56] <paul__> Can somebody help me?
[01:56] <propagandhi> danwolf: a hippy wolf??
[01:57] <dragon_> hm.. i need help too;;
[01:57] <jirwin> can anyone think of any other causes of the installer hanging for hoary?
[01:57] <danwolf> LinuxJones: I tried searching on apt for the dependencies, but I couldnt find em
[01:57] <DonL> juan, the theme came from Warty. I updated to Hoary, and it's still there
[01:57] <juan> ohh I see
[01:57] <juan> thanks
[01:57] <tsume_> jirwin: does the computer freeze, or just the installation process?
[01:57] <danwolf> propagandhi: Hippy, no, liberal, yes, heh
[01:57] <tsume_> jirwin: did vt4 say anything?
[01:57] <g0mej> howto get my canon ip2000 usb under  unbuntu linux to work is mac compactible And Sir Billy Gates I  Don't like him
[01:57] <propagandhi> danwolf: sorry, just mucking around
[01:57] <danwolf> propagandhi: I know, me too
[01:57] <jirwin> tsume, the only thing it tells me is that it fails setting the locale
[01:58] <propagandhi> cool
[01:58] <tsume_> jirwin: and your locale is?
[01:58] <danwolf> propagandhi: know anyone that has installed the gmail-notifier program from sourcefourge?
[01:58] <jirwin> tsume_, utf-8
[01:58] <tsume_> hmmm
[01:58] <jirwin> english
[01:58] <propagandhi> danwolf:no, but whats the problem with it
[01:58] <tsume_> jirwin: try  en_US first ?
[01:58] <danwolf> propagandhi: dependency problems
[01:58] <jirwin> tsume_, how do I change that?
[01:58] <jirwin> expert install?
[01:58] <propagandhi> what dependancies??
[01:59] <tsume_> jirwin: I thought it was a selection from the insta...
[01:59] <BrettMeister> Please help.  I have tried to load ubuntu onto my laptop and I'm having trouble getting intot he GUI...something about Xorg
[01:59] <danwolf> propagandhi: it says I need a lower version of python or greater, but I have it
[01:59] <danwolf> heh
[01:59] <danwolf> lemme get the output
[01:59] <jirwin> tsume_, the language...yes..and I have been choosing english usa
[01:59] <BrettMeister> I'm on the Xorg wiki,but I really can't understand most of that stuff.
[01:59] <tsume_> jirwin: oh.. hmm
[01:59] <propagandhi> danwolf: i will try install it now
[01:59] <g0mej> hannes can you help
[02:00] <tsume_> jirwin: you'd need to ask a dev to debug the problem further
[02:00] <danwolf> http://switch.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gmail-notify/gmail-notify-1.5.deb
[02:00] <danwolf> theres a download link
[02:00] <propagandhi> danwolf: u downloaded the deb package right?
[02:00] <danwolf> propagandhi: http://switch.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/gmail-notify/gmail-notify-1.5.deb
[02:00] <danwolf> propagandhi: course
[02:00] <propagandhi> cool
[02:00] <jirwin> tsume_, would there be any reason it halts at the exact same spot everytime?
[02:00] <goldfish> BrettMeister: you could try running, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:01] <tsume_> jirwin: well its a bug in the exact same place ;)
[02:01] <BrettMeister> goldfish: Thanks...brb
[02:01] <tsume_> jirwin: did you check the md5 of your ISO?
[02:01] <Reblended> Seibol, ok.. guess where I am...
[02:01] <g0mej> Well you don't make feel happy here why don't you won't to help
[02:01] <jirwin> i will be sure to do that...
[02:01] <jirwin> i am redownloading as we speak
[02:01] <DonL> jirwin, one last thing: Check the disk for dirt?
[02:01] <jirwin> 2 minutes left
[02:01] <tsume_> jirwin: if a bit is off.. I've had it mess up :)
[02:01] <propagandhi> danwolf: just gotta wait for synaptic to stop updates, wont be long
[02:01] <jirwin> understandable
[02:01] <Reblended> Seibol, I'm at a screen that says, "could not load xserver"   does this mean I need to type vga=771?
[02:02] <rrfs1> propagandhi, with mv /home/username/.gnome /home/username/.gnome-old, in thi way i will rename the dir .gnome (.gnome-old) and after that gnome will rebulit the files? because find in a forum the suggestion to remove the .ICEauthority but i every time i entered on the ubuntu it pop up the same warning. u think that with mv ...  i have not do it anymore?
[02:02] <Reblended> anyone?
[02:02] <propagandhi> rrfs1: try the command, if it doesn't work, u can always reverse it
[02:02] <propagandhi> rrfs1: as i said, it solved it for me
[02:03] <MikeA> How can I restore my /etc/profile to the default? what do I apt-get?
[02:03] <propagandhi> rrfs1: i also deleted and redid the file, was only temporary
[02:03] <g0mej> dose any won;t to help pse
[02:04] <limer> I found some odd behavior when using a virtual console.  if I use "$" and then CAPS lock, the letter "e" is not capped
[02:04] <g0mej> or talk to me
[02:04] <rrfs1> propagandhi thnks a lot, i will do it
[02:04] <limer> anyone else want to test this?
[02:04] <Reblended> Seibol, thx for the help... at least I know now that the xserver won't start... =p got that far
[02:04] <juan> UUBNTU ROCKS!
[02:04] <juan> :d
[02:04] <limer> tty2 that is
[02:04] <mdke> ogra and doko have merged?
[02:04] <mdke> some kind of super dev?
[02:04] <g0mej> bye
[02:05] <Reblended> what do I do now? I've booted to the point where I get a message: xserver cannot run
[02:05] <Reblended> I get a prompt
[02:06] <mdke> Reblended, have you tried logging in and doing a "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[02:06] <Reblended> ooh... I like to learn mdke
[02:06] <mdke> Reblended, it might not help
[02:06] <mdke> Reblended, that should attempt to reconfigure your graphical server
[02:06] <MikeA> How can I restore my /etc/profile to the default? what do I apt-get? anyone?
[02:06] <Reblended> ok.. well, I'm like very noob, but I have installed some things so far on another machine, mdke
[02:06] <Reblended> mdke, ty
[02:07] <ratius> anyone knows how can i get apache?
[02:07] <goldfish> ratius: apt-get
[02:07] <Reblended> brb mdke
[02:07] <mdke> ratius, you can install it using your favourite package manager
[02:07] <MikeA> apt-get install apache 2
[02:07] <MikeA> apt-get install apache2
[02:07] <mdke> or apache, if you want apache version 1
[02:07] <ratius> ok thx
[02:07] <juan> DonL  I've uninstalled the 0.2.24 package (hoary) and installed the 0.2.14 (which is supported by the dependences like gdm, ubuntu-desktop) Thanks ! ;)
[02:07] <ratius> whats better version 1 or 2?
[02:07] <mdke> ratius, 2
[02:08] <riffic> hi, can someone mark this: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9751 as a duplicate of bug 8923
[02:08] <juan> DonL the ubuntu-artwork package =D
[02:08] <mdke> riffic, it will get done eventually :)
[02:08] <ubuntu> question, using the gnome livecd and wondering how to access my files on windows, can anyone shed any light on this?
[02:08] <mdke> riffic, put a comment on if you think it will help
[02:08] <juan> donL brb i'm gonna try it =D
[02:08] <riffic> mdke: oh well I was sort of wondering if it'd get done sometime soon
[02:08] <riffic> that'd require me creating an acct, heh
[02:08] <riffic> =)
[02:08] <riffic> I guess I'll sign up
[02:09] <dragon_> does anyone know why Ubuntu is distributing CDs for free?
[02:09] <dragon_> I live in Canada and just ordered some cds... and I feel a little guilty for having done that
[02:09] <riffic> because they can?
[02:09] <djm62> dragon_: so that anyone can use it
[02:09] <riffic> its great marketing
[02:10] <Dethread> so that it spreads like a virus
[02:10] <Jesterace> i'm in canada and i've gotten my warty cds
[02:10] <dragon_> it must cost them alot to do so
[02:10] <Sophistication> to promote thier distro~!
[02:10] <djm62> dragon_: even in countries where broadband isn't common
[02:10] <Jesterace> got a set of hoary coming in the mail in the distant future
[02:10] <_chavo> dragon_, how dare you ? :)
[02:10] <netpuppy> dragon_: don't feel guilty, they're cheap to make because of child work
[02:10] <DonL> dragon_, me too. I felt that way. It' the way Mark Shuttleworth feels though
[02:10] <dragon_> hm.. ya i can see it's a marketing strategy
[02:10] <riffic> i've given away a few copies and everyone loves it
[02:10] <dragon_> hm...
[02:10] <riffic> they use it and pass it on
[02:10] <ubuntu> everyone lives free stuff
[02:10] <dragon_> ya...
[02:10] <ubuntu> loves*
[02:10] <dragon_> but... where do they make all the money -_-?
[02:10] <djm62> imagine downloading ubuntu on 11.5kbps modem
[02:10] <dragon_> ya...;;
[02:11] <DonL> dragon_, you can sign up for support
[02:11] <ubuntu> people who start using it, like it, and then care to donate.
[02:11] <dragon_> aha...
[02:11] <DonL> ...or not
[02:11] <djm62> good point! I need to do that
[02:11] <dragon_> hahah
[02:11] <rrfs1> dd
[02:12] <djm62> (trying to donate time...possibly doing more good than harm)
[02:12] <PacoBCN> hi people
[02:12] <netpuppy> dragon_: the drug dealers have been using that trick for ages
[02:12] <netpuppy> the first one is free...
[02:12] <dragon_> hm...
[02:12] <tsume_> netpuppy: you see black people? ;)
[02:12] <dragon_> oh
[02:12] <djm62> netpuppy: but so are all the subsequent ones
[02:12] <dragon_> so are we gonna have to pay for this later -_-???
[02:13] <DonL> Apparently Ubuntu will always be free
[02:13] <dragon_> hm..
[02:13] <netpuppy> tsume_: yeah, there's a negro on my wallpaper
[02:13] <dragon_> i hope so..
[02:13] <DonL> dragon_, if you go to the home page, you can read about it
[02:13] <ubuntu> dragon, probably not.
[02:13] <tsume_> netpuppy: heh. I'm sure its a fantasy black.   I have not been able to ever get an ubuntu install to work right.  This is my fourth failure.
[02:14] <netpuppy> dragon_: they wait till you've got the first 10 releases, then they bill you with ms-like fees
[02:14] <netpuppy> pure evil, pitr couldn't have outdone it
[02:14] <djm62> BrettMeister: what's been going wrong?
[02:14] <dragon_> --_--??
[02:14] <riffic> mdke: okay registered on bugzilla and commented
[02:14] <riffic> that feels good
[02:14] <dragon_> ms-like fees...
[02:14] <netpuppy> tsume_: yeah, it's a chick
[02:14] <djm62> BrettMeister: if it's a bug, please report it so it can be working next time
[02:15] <ubuntu> so, can anyone tell me how to access windows files from a Ubuntu LiveCD?
[02:15] <DonL> So sorry, BrettMeister . It's the most trouble-free distro I've used in five years
[02:15] <netpuppy> tsume_: it's one of the monthly wallpapers
[02:15] <mdke> riffic, good:)
[02:15] <BrettMeister> djm62: I just can't get the xserver to work right.  Can't even get to the GUI.
[02:15] <netpuppy> ubuntu: just mount it
[02:15] <djm62> BrettMeister: ah...can you see the error messages?
[02:16] <BrettMeister> Yes
[02:16] <netpuppy> ubuntu: mount -t ntfs /dev/hda /mnt/win32
[02:16] <tsume_> netpuppy: ohhh.
[02:16] <BrettMeister> djm62: yes
[02:16] <ubuntu> ah  thanks, new to linux.
[02:16] <eflynn> ubuntu rocks
[02:16] <fazer> man
[02:16] <fazer> yeah it does!
[02:16] <netpuppy> ubuntu: beware, though, you can't write to it!
[02:16] <fazer> all I had to do was change 24 bits to 16
[02:16] <BrettMeister> djm6
[02:16] <netpuppy> at least you shouldn't
[02:16] <ubuntu> ah alright. just want to test run it :)
[02:16] <fazer> i say we need to bring more nicely brested white chicks
[02:16] <netpuppy> oh well, I'm in GMT+2, sleep tight
[02:17] <tsume_> as long as she didn't have a fat ganger's girl look ;)
[02:17] <BrettMeister> djm62: It shows X10 fatal IO error 104
[02:18] <BrettMeister> I'm on a laptop.  Could that be the issue?  Drivers?
[02:18] <djm62> BrettMeister: it's possible...do you know what card it is?
[02:19] <BrettMeister> djm62: Nope, sorry.
[02:19] <djm62> BrettMeister: you could use the "vesa" x drivers
[02:19] <djm62> that's pretty generic stuff
[02:19] <BrettMeister> How do I try that?
[02:20] <Reblended> how do I describe 32megs in kb's?
[02:20] <Reblended> 32,000?
[02:20] <helio7> I'm trying to print an image via gimp/cupsd/hp inkjet 932c / hpijs driver and despite high photo resolution, I'm getting a dark pattern of tiny speckles across my printer output.  Can anyone suggest where I should look to solve this?
[02:20] <helio7> Reblended: yes
[02:20] <Reblended> thx helio7
[02:21] <djm62> anyone...how would you configure X to use vesa drivers?
[02:21] <djm62> BrettMeister: I haven't done it for a while
[02:22] <propagandhi> djm62: u could use xorgconfig
[02:23] <djm62> xorgconfig...I've NEVER done this
[02:23] <BrettMeister> propagandhi: I'll try that.  I just rebooted to see if that clears some stuff out.
[02:23] <djm62> BrettMeister: can you run xorgconfig and select vesa drivers at the correct resolution
[02:25] <DonL> djm62, thanks. I didn't know there was a program called xorgconfig
[02:25] <dragon> neways.. i g2g now.. my mom doesn't like me when I'm on the computer for the whole day..
[02:25] <dragon> thanks for help and see you all later : )
[02:25] <tsume_> It would be nice if kids wouldn't presume somebody making a statement would flame them
[02:25] <NeonLevel> hi !
[02:25] <tsume_> now lets see.. where is  mdz
[02:25] <tsume_> to go get a respectable person on the image of the frontpage :)
[02:26] <Reblended> I've reconfigured xserver, how do I restart it (without rebooting as I am on live cd)
[02:26] <NeonLevel> i'm a first time user with ubuntu and very impressed so far, except that i'm trying to setup wifi and couldn't do it so far...
[02:27] <tsume_> NeonLevel: iwconfig?
[02:27] <DonL> Sorry I can't help, NeonLevel
[02:27] <Reblended> NeonLevel need ndiswrapper probably to get the drivers working (I've done it once, I'm new too)
[02:27] <helio7> Does anyone print photos to an inkjet printer and get excellent, photo-quality output?
[02:27] <DonL> It is an impressive Distro though
[02:27] <Reblended> helio7, need photog paper
[02:28] <tsume_> Reblended: usually drivers are out there
[02:28] <Reblended> helio7, most papers will bleed
[02:28] <djm62> Reblended: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[02:28] <Reblended> ty djm62  and tsume_
[02:28] <helio7> that's not my issue Reblended, I've printed successfully to this everyday-hp paper successfully before under the Other-OS...
[02:28] <Reblended> djm62, where do I learn all these commands? =D
[02:29] <Reblended> oh, out of my league then, helio7
[02:29] <rrfs1> propagandhi, i have and  an other problem, i connect to the internet from my nokia wich is connect the computer via bluetooth. every time i have to connect i do: rfcomm add of the dev ...        is there anyway did automaticly ?
[02:29] <helio7> I'm trying to understand which component might be responsible for adding this odd black pattern of speckles to my printer's output, so I can intelligently search for the solution... I'm not sure if it might be called a dithering issue or what...
[02:30] <djm62> Reblended: it's all in the spec ;)
[02:30] <Reblended> djm62, yea?
[02:30] <djm62> Reblended: or you take the blue pill
[02:30] <Reblended> djm62, nope.. red
[02:30] <MuWu> Hi. How do I get java sdk to work in Ubuntu? Setting various paths don seem to work
[02:30] <Reblended> djm62, gdm restart fail
[02:30] <djm62> damn!
[02:30] <propagandhi> rrfs1: u could write a quick script that does it
[02:31] <Reblended> yeah... It knows my graphics chip tho!
[02:31] <dhonn> everyones having problems with gdm huh?
[02:31] <dhonn> the best way is to delete some of the lines and let X determine the correct way to set it up!
[02:31] <MuWu> anyone? Java errors.. mesed up path.. :(
[02:31] <dhonn> line in xorg.conf
[02:31] <Reblended> dhonn, yep.. I was like, do do yes yes ok ok
[02:31] <dcooper> has anyone had luck with with ndiswrapper deb or is better to compile the source for a broadcom chipset?
[02:31] <mjg59> The deb works fine
[02:31] <Reblended> broadcom, worked for me with ndiswrapper
[02:31] <dhonn> the live cd and install cd has the default settign on some strange setup
[02:32] <fazer> mhmm
[02:32] <fazer> does anyone here use Limewire with Ubuntu?
[02:32] <djm62> fazer: yes
[02:32] <Reblended> dhonn, so, the live will fail whereas the install won't?
[02:32] <dhonn> I use limewire Pro
[02:32] <dhonn> compiled
[02:32] <dhonn> they both fail on mine
[02:32] <fazer> djm62: so you converted that .rpm to a .deb?
[02:32] <Reblended> dhonn, uhh.. so I have to get the drivers and ndiswrapp them?
[02:33] <dhonn> i have to rip out the line where it says PCI:0:1? or something like that
[02:33] <Reblended> dhonn yah, I don't know the setting for that
[02:33] <Reblended> it said PCI:0:2:0 or something
[02:33] <dhonn> Reblended, that only works with wireless windows drivers
[02:33] <Reblended> dhonn k... =]
[02:33] <dhonn> but for your video thats another story
[02:33] <dhonn> yeah for your video card get rid of that PCI:0:2:0 line
[02:33] <Reblended> dhonn where/how do I search for that PCI identifier?
[02:34] <Reblended> ohkay!
[02:34] <Reblended> what do I put instead? just blank?
[02:34] <dhonn> i dont search for them xorg does a good job at detecting the right settings
[02:34] <Reblended> ok.. brb
[02:34] <Reblended> ty
[02:35] <DonL> I'm off for now. Thanks for the chat, folks
[02:35] <rrfs1> propagandhi, excuse me, i am a starter, how can i do it?
[02:35] <propagandhi> rrfs1: how do u normally excute the command
[02:35] <MuWu> anyone? Java errors.. mesed up path.. :(
[02:36] <Feilding> Hi! is it possible to record music to my mini disc player from Ubuntu or kubuntu?
[02:37] <Reblended> I tried twice.. both with the pci line deleted, once with frame buffer on, other off
[02:38] <Reblended> gdm fail
[02:38] <nickrud> Fielding: what kind of player do you have?
[02:38] <dhonn> what does it say for Driver?
[02:38] <Feilding> sony mini disc :)
[02:38] <rrfs1> propagandhi, rfcomm connect 0  00:11:9F:CA:2F:29 1
[02:38] <propagandhi> in a terminal??
[02:38] <nickrud> got a usb plug?
[02:38] <rrfs1> y
[02:38] <Feilding> yea it is USB :)
[02:38] <dhonn> Reblended, what does it say for Driver?
[02:38] <thundrcleeze> Have there not been many updates recently? The last week or so I haven't gotten anything from the apt-get upgrade.
[02:38] <nickrud> plug it in, see if it shows up on your desktop.
[02:38] <Reblended> dhonn, says intel 82815 which is correct
[02:39] <Feilding> ok, i have to install ubuntu first :)
[02:39] <Meastapheles> anybody know what CPU_FREQ_STAT does?
[02:39] <nickrud> ha, yeah.
[02:39] <dhonn> for example mines says: Driver    "nvidia"
[02:39] <Feilding> I broke my other partition recently
[02:39] <Reblended> dhonn I also tried specifying 32000k ram, and then the other time I left it blank... still no dif
[02:39] <k-otik> if i wanted to run a program from my terminal what could i do that would free up my terminal again?
[02:39] <Feilding> I was running warty for a while, but then accidently formated it in windows :)
[02:39] <nickrud> Feilding: bummer.
[02:40] <helio7> thundrcleeze: are you on warty or hoary?
[02:40] <Reblended> k-otik open another term window?
[02:40] <Feilding> clicked on the drive,and hit yes insted of no LOL!
[02:40] <thundrcleeze> helio7, hoary
[02:40] <Feilding> i am looking forward to trying the new hoary
[02:40] <nickrud> feilding: well install ubuntu, and maybe we can help.
[02:40] <k-otik> nah you know when you type for example xmms in terminal it pops up but you can't use the terminal anymore
[02:40] <nickrud> hoary.
[02:40] <helio7> thundrcleeze: I've gotten quite a few updates over the last week
[02:40] <Feilding> sure :)
[02:40] <k-otik> what could you do that would free up the terminal but keep the program running?
[02:40] <rrfs1> propagandhi, i am wating for u
[02:41] <Dethread> I'm having trouble with mozilla products and printing in hoary. (It worked fine in warty) The printer is a HP 940C. Printing from gedit/ooffice works fine. When trying to print from firefox or thunderbird, the app crashes with a Segmentation fault.
[02:41] <dhonn> try deleteding: HorizSync, VertRefresh, BusID lines, you shouldnt have to specify the ram
[02:41] <nickrud> k-otick: disown
[02:41] <dhonn> thats oldschool
[02:41] <Feilding> was just checking first, was thinking perhaps it is a special part of KDE or GNOME that burned the minidisc...
[02:41] <Feilding> so I ask first :)
[02:41] <Reblended> dhonn ahh, hmm here goes
[02:42] <nickrud> Feilding: try googling for your exact model and ubundu, or debian, or linix.
[02:42] <dhonn> k
[02:42] <mrvain> I can view everything on a tv connected to my laptop just fine before gnome starts, then the picture goes haywire.  Any suggestions?
[02:43] <thundrcleeze> helio7, huh.  What could be wrong? My sound problem that happened right after I dist-upgraded to hoary just went away suddenly without an update, and there haven't been almost any updates available since hoary was released.
[02:43] <liable> k-otik: add an apersand to the command at the end
[02:43] <Feilding> yea,i went thru google and the debian package list... nothing on debian, woll check out google again after I install if I need to troubleshoot, Thanks Nickrud :)
[02:43] <propagandhi> rrfs1: thats an example of the shell script u could write
[02:44] <nickrud> Feilding: hopefully your thing will show up as 'storage', and then it'll work no problem
[02:44] <Feilding> have a nice day everyone, and thanks again for the help
[02:44] <Feilding> tyea
[02:44] <thundrcleeze> bye Feilding
[02:44] <helio7> thundrcleeze: I don't know how your sound problem might have fixed itself, but as long as it's working I wouldn't worry; as far as your lack of updates have you checked your /etc/apt/sources.list against the one on http://ubuntuguide.org/ ?
[02:44] <Feilding> ti am hopeing this too, all my other USB stuff worked with Warty, looking forward to trying hoary :)
[02:44] <Reblended> dhonn same outcome, hmm server modules? (I tried leaving the refresh entry blank, but it said it needed a setting)
[02:45] <crimsun> thundrcleeze: what sound chipset?
[02:45] <dhonn> whats your x error output?
[02:45] <helio7> anyone played with dithering under gimp-printing?
[02:45] <dhonn> send it to pastebin.com
[02:45] <thundrcleeze> helio7, I did what it said to do on the upgrade notes.  Would they have changed? crimsun, sb audigy
[02:46] <Reblended> dhonn uhh, I can't copy paste it can I? I have a thumbdrive but I'm not sure how to mount it, etc
[02:46] <Reblended> dhonn, I'm on another machine here
[02:46] <dhonn> its should automount
[02:46] <Reblended> k and the file I'm copying...?
[02:46] <dhonn> cp /var/log/xorg*
[02:46] <Reblended> k ty
[02:46] <rrfs1> propagandhi but some times the channel change rfcomm connect 0  00:11:9F:CA:2F:29 (1)
[02:47] <tibor> hi, is there anybody to help me to make working my scanner in kubuntu?
[02:47] <flodine> its this the great twiggy
[02:47] <crimsun> thundrcleeze: all you needed to have done was unmute the Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack
[02:47] <Twiggy> flodine:  bow fucker
[02:47] <flodine> lol
[02:47] <flodine> you the man
[02:47] <Twiggy> ;oD
[02:47] <helio7> thundrcleeze: no, they wouldn't have changed, but you might want to verify that you didn't make a mistake and that your /etc/apt/sources.list actually looks like http://ubuntuguide.org/sample/sources.list_extrarepositories when I update I always get updates
[02:47] <revelater> hey guys, how do i start up the login gui?
[02:47] <berli> anyone had any luck with outgoing SMTP Auth on Hoary?  I get an error "no mechanism available", but i have libsasl2-modules installed with appropriate modules.
[02:47] <dhonn> oops!   its a capital X  /var/log/Xorg*
[02:48] <flodine> twiggy how long on ubuntu now
[02:48] <Twiggy> flodine:  6 months-ish
[02:48] <revelater> I NEED HELP!!
[02:48] <Twiggy> flodine:  I use it on my laptop
[02:48] <propagandhi> rrfs1: how many variations are there?
[02:48] <flodine> man i love it
[02:48] <thundrcleeze> crimsun, we worked through it together for half an hour, muting and unmuting everything, you concluded that I needed to compile new ALSA drivers.
[02:48] <crimsun> berli: ask on u-u
[02:48] <Dethread> revelater, "gdm" I think
[02:48] <crimsun> thundrcleeze: no, not necessary.
[02:48] <revelater> tried that
[02:48] <revelater> something about root
[02:48] <Dethread> revelater, "startx" ?
[02:48] <thundrcleeze> Maybe not, but that's what you said.
[02:48] <dhonn> Reblended cp over the Xorg.conf too
[02:48] <crimsun> thundrcleeze: right, I did say that. But it's not necessary.
[02:48] <revelater> loged me into gnome automatically, i want to get into fluxbox
[02:49] <flodine> i just paid 100 bucks for suse 9.3 and then gave it away
[02:49] <thundrcleeze> crimsun, oh well, as long as it works now.
[02:49] <tibor> flodine, i think suse is better...
[02:49] <thundrcleeze> helio7, I'll check it out, thanks.
[02:49] <flodine> not me
[02:49] <nickrud> revelator, if fluxbox is installed, you should be able to select it from the the login.
[02:49] <Twiggy> flodine:  ewwwwww
[02:49] <flodine> suse nice
[02:49] <Twiggy> flodine:  why give it away?
[02:50] <flodine> to my brother
[02:50] <revelater> nickrud, when i startx i don't get a login
[02:50] <flodine> if i need i can get it
[02:50] <crimsun> revelater: don't use startx, use gdm.
[02:50] <nickrud> revelator, what do you get.
[02:50] <flodine> but right now this works
[02:50] <dhonn> killall gdm guys, then gdm
[02:50] <crimsun> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[02:50] <dhonn> yea
[02:50] <rrfs1> propagandhi i don't know how many channels have avaible . i don't know how to wright that shell script
[02:50] <dhonn> that too
[02:50] <nickrud> yeah
[02:51] <revelater> crimsun, gives me some error about root, then it doesn't work with sudo
[02:51] <nickrud> gdm thing :)
[02:51] <Reblended> dhonn I believe it mounted, but I've never accessed a usb drive from the prompt... only in the gui
[02:51] <tsume_> yay
[02:51] <dhonn> cd /media/
[02:51] <tibor> in ubuntu i could not to make work skype, in kubuntu i can not to make work my scanner... i should go back to suse, there both work fine
[02:51] <revelater> nickrud: i automatically login into gnome
[02:51] <dhonn> it should be usb0?
[02:51] <dhonn> not sure i dont have a thumbdrive
[02:51] <Reblended> dhonn, ahh, ty ok!
[02:51] <tsume_> I translated the ubuntu pic to a picture I rubbbed out the gangster guy
[02:51] <Dethread> tibor, skype works fine for me
[02:51] <propagandhi> rrfs1: it would be hard without having a little knowledge of the system and shell scripting, but i can reccommend a good guide.
[02:51] <propagandhi> http://linuxcommand.org/writing_shell_scripts.php
[02:51] <tsume_> no more gangster kid on the frontpage for me! :)
[02:52] <nickrud> revelater: down at the bottom, there should be a thing called session. click it, and choose.
[02:52] <tibor> skype works fine in kubuntu only for me
[02:52] <propagandhi> because u need it to probe where the device is at before it runs the command
[02:52] <nickrud> the gdm login screen
[02:52] <revelater> nickrud, it doesn't go into gdm...
[02:52] <crimsun> dhonn: join #flood and paste the output of dmesg |grep ^scsi
[02:52] <nickrud> revelator: dpkg -l gdm, tell me the output
[02:52] <rrfs1> propagandhi yes
[02:53] <ratius> ne1 knows if there is a way for installing a .deb in user mode. Cause when i use dpkg -i  it requires SU privileges
[02:53] <propagandhi> rrfs1:so, how would u normally discover that info
[02:53] <rrfs1>  propagandhi but i have meet 2 cases channel 1 and 3
[02:54] <tibor> in kubuntu i could not make anything with my scsi scanner
[02:54] <crimsun> dhonn: you've plugged in the usb thumbdrive already?
[02:54] <rrfs1> scan ....
[02:54] <kingsley> If one is using a printer that recognizes postscript 3 and pcl 6, should plan text files be converted to ps3 or pcl6?
[02:54] <revelater> nickrud, output looks good
[02:54] <Reblended> dhonn, I can see the light blink on the usb drive, but it isn't listed in /media/
[02:54] <dhonn> crimsun, i dont have a thumb drive Reblended has one, but not sure how to access it
[02:54] <revelater> nickrud, i have it installed
[02:54] <thread> Anyone have experience with wireless? I installed netapplet, I select the network I want to get onto, and ifconfig shows my eth0 with an inet6 addr .. it never seems to get the proper ip from the wireless router
[02:54] <nickrud> at the beginning, says 'ii"
[02:54] <crimsun> dhonn: sorry, I thought you were asking
[02:54] <dhonn> nickrud i think its in /media/
[02:55] <crimsun> Reblended: sudo modprobe sd-mod
[02:55] <Reblended> ty crimsun sec
[02:55] <dhonn> crimsun, doesnt it automount?
[02:55] <revelater> how do i logout?
[02:55] <nickrud> dhonn, what?
[02:55] <dhonn> usb thumbdrive
[02:55] <dhonn> ?
[02:55] <crimsun> revelater: no need to logout to do that
[02:55] <Dethread> joshua__, than
[02:55] <crimsun> dhonn: some don't.
[02:55] <dhonn> plugin play
[02:55] <dhonn> ah
[02:55] <blahrus> anyone know if its possible if the FS is currupt and you try to do a memtest with it, could that make errors?
[02:55] <Reblended> it's pnp if I'm in the gui
[02:56] <revelater> crimsun: i just want to know how to logout
[02:56] <crimsun> revelater: System>Log out
[02:56] <crimsun> blahrus: memtest is for RAM, though
[02:56] <revelater> crimsun, because the fact that i am logged in may be the reason it is skipping the login screen where i can choose a sesion
[02:56] <Dethread> most definitely
[02:56] <blahrus> crimsun: yea I know, but if there was an issue with the file system, and it copies the memtest stuff off of it . . . .
[02:57] <crimsun> blahrus: highly unlikely, it checks itself when it starts
[02:57] <blahrus> like I just got a bunch of unexpected interrupt halting errors
[02:57] <blahrus> great so it looks like I have bad ram
[02:57] <fazer> dcraven: hey, how you doing?
[02:57] <Scuddie> ugh!
[02:58] <Reblended> dhonn, I did sudo modprobe sd-mod and I ls in /media/ and it's empty
[02:58] <thechitowncubs> Hey, where is the cheapest place I can get a complete computer so I can put ubuntu on it
[02:58] <Dethread> thechitowncubs, ebay maybe :)
[02:58] <dhonn> Reblended, crimsun knows more about usb media,  do you have the internet on that computer?
[02:58] <crimsun> Reblended: lsmod|grep ^usb_storage
[02:58] <Reblended> lsmod? ok
[02:59] <nickrud> thechitowncubs: hang out at the dump, you'll find a 586 :)
[02:59] <thechitowncubs> Det: I want one new
[02:59] <Scuddie> Any of you guys know why absolutely every single device I have is always considered busy?
[02:59] <thechitowncubs> I want one that can run ubuntu without any notice of slowwnnes
[02:59] <DoppelGanger> he he
[02:59] <Reblended> dhonn, yes... once I can get my usb working from the prompt on the machine I'm trying to get the install on... =]
[02:59] <DoppelGanger> slackware
[02:59] <thechitowncubs> Im looking at dells right now, but im thinking it can get cheaper
[02:59] <Dethread> build one yourself
[02:59] <thechitowncubs> its going to be for my dad
[03:00] <thechitowncubs> Det: what do you think the cheapest I can get it
[03:00] <nickrud> thechitowncubs: look for a something better than 1.5G.
[03:00] <crimsun> ain't gonna get much cheaper than a dumpster
[03:00] <blahrus> crimsun: man, memtesting on a gig sucks!
[03:00] <thechitowncubs> IS newegg the cheapest place?
[03:01] <PeprCorn> Can someone tell me how to make all gtk gtk2 and qt uniform in themes??
[03:01] <blahrus> thechitowncubs: the best deal, and great rma
[03:01] <Scuddie> Cheapest, no.  Most reputable, absolutely
[03:01] <Reblended> crimsun, it returned: usb_storage 64064  0
[03:01] <thechitowncubs> pepr: only gtk 2 can handle that
[03:01] <thechitowncubs> Ok, thanks for the tips...
[03:01] <thechitowncubs> I'm probably gonna build one
[03:01] <blahrus> thechitowncubs: you might spend 10 bucsk more, but its worth it
[03:01] <thundrcleeze> nickrud, I'm running it on a 1.0G, hardly any slowness.
[03:01] <PeprCorn> what about the switch app?
[03:01] <Brunellus> is there a complete warty-hoary changelog somewhere?
[03:01] <thundrcleeze> nickrud, though warty was faster.
[03:02] <kingsley> What's a good way to send plain text files to a printer that understands postscript 3 and pcl 6?
[03:02] <jubei1024> how can i find my kernel versoin?
[03:02] <crimsun> Brunellus: yes, see the hoary-changes list
[03:02] <crimsun> jubei1024: uname -r
[03:02] <nickrud> thundrcleeze: I am currently on a 466 celeron. works fine, if you tune it.
[03:02] <jubei1024> tah
[03:02] <Brunellus> crimsun:  right off the main website?
[03:02] <crimsun> Brunellus: lists.ubuntu.com
[03:02] <Scuddie> This AXP 2800+ system I put together for $600 two years ago.
[03:02] <nickrud> cubbie wanted "no" slowness :)
[03:02] <crimsun> Reblended: dmesg |grep ^sd
[03:03] <Scuddie> Back then, considered upper mid-level.
[03:03] <thechitowncubs> time to start a wishlist
[03:03] <thechitowncubs> =D
[03:03] <Reblended>  k
[03:03] <thundrcleeze> thechitowncubs, build your own computer, it'd be cheaper and MUCH better than a dell.
[03:03] <thechitowncubs> aight, i figured
[03:03] <thechitowncubs> what is your guys favorite budget processor?
[03:03] <dhonn> does:   mail<EMAIL_ADDRESS>-s blah < textfile work?
[03:04] <crimsun> it should, dhonn
[03:04] <Reblended> crimsun, returned a screen full of sda:
[03:04] <Scuddie> thechitowncubs: AthlonXP Barton 3200+
[03:04] <PeprCorn> thechitowncubs: In warty I was able to use switch2 and switch to unify both themes. Hoary seems to not respond to those apps, I installed both throu apt-get
[03:04] <thechitowncubs> Sry PeprCorn, I'm not familiar with that app.
[03:04] <crimsun> Reblended: are you using SATA?
[03:05] <Reblended> crimsun, I believe not?
[03:05] <Reblended> it's a 4 year old laptop
[03:05] <PeprCorn> Has anyone been able to unify both gtk and gtk2 apps with a single theme??
[03:05] <crimsun> Reblended: please join #flood and paste the output of that dmesg|grep ^sd
[03:06] <thechitowncubs> What about mobo's, what is the best linux compatible?
[03:06] <Reblended> crimsun, ok.. I'm going to have to type it out... hang on
[03:06] <monkey89> PeprCorn, bluecurve
[03:07] <crimsun> Reblended: /exec -o dmesg|grep ^sd
[03:07] <nickrud> PeprCorn: not really.
[03:07] <crimsun> Reblended: (in #flood)
[03:07] <nickrud> gtk2-themes-smooth and gtk-themes-smooth is the best I've found.
[03:07] <PeprCorn> monkey89 : bluecurve??
[03:07] <PeprCorn> did you apt-get it??
[03:08] <blahrus> PeprCorn: is it possible?
[03:08] <nickrud> yup.
[03:08] <monkey89> PeprCorn, red hat's theme, has both a gtk1 and gtk2 engine.  there's a howto in the warty doc forums
[03:08] <monkey89> (i forgot this was ubuntu, hehe... was about to say emerge it)
[03:08] <Scuddie> thechitowncubs:  Check this out. http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=13-130-475&DEPA=1
[03:08] <thr1ce> anyone run xfce on ubuntu ?
[03:08] <crimsun> yes
[03:08] <goldfish> i do
[03:08] <goldfish> it rock
[03:09] <goldfish> s
[03:09] <thechitowncubs> i can
[03:09] <thr1ce> does it run pretty well ?
[03:09] <thechitowncubs> scuddie, is that what you use?
[03:09] <crimsun> Reblended: ok. Try: pmount /dev/sda1 something
[03:09] <Reblended> something? Lol
[03:09] <crimsun> thr1ce: runs fine on my P2/266
[03:09] <thr1ce> pmount... ?
[03:09] <thr1ce> just mount
[03:09] <crimsun> thr1ce: no, pmount.
[03:09] <thr1ce> mount /dev/sda1
[03:09] <thechitowncubs> is an mx440 sufficient?
[03:09] <thr1ce> I've never heard of pmount....no man page
[03:09] <fazer> thr1ce: i have a p2/366 laptop and it runs smooth, you might have to edit your xorg.conf though
[03:09] <Reblended> crimsun, you actually want me to type something?
[03:10] <KarlosII> if I want to copy all the contents while preserving attributes and symbolic links to another partition, what command parameters would I use for cp ?
[03:10] <crimsun> Reblended: yes
[03:10] <Reblended> lol ok!
[03:10] <thechitowncubs> GeForce mx440 64mb gfx card?
[03:10] <Scuddie> thechitowncubs: That's the successor to what I have.  And what I have is VERY nice.
[03:10] <crimsun> Reblended: or just replace "something" with whatever string you want
[03:10] <thr1ce> fazer, for?  I have an athlon 2100, gig of ram, radeon 9700 pro
[03:10] <thechitowncubs> Great, thanks scuddie
[03:10] <blahrus> thechitowncubs: yea it will be fine, wont be able to game the newest and greatest
[03:10] <Scuddie> thechitowncubs: Absolutely not!
[03:10] <Scuddie> Do not get that card!
[03:10] <thechitowncubs> It won't be used for gaming at all
[03:10] <fazer> thr1ce: ooh, I thought you had low-end system, my bad.
[03:10] <thechitowncubs> I need a budget machine
[03:10] <blahrus> thechitowncubs: then you are find
[03:10] <blahrus> fine*
[03:10] <thr1ce> fazer, hehe
[03:11] <Scuddie> Well, even then it would be better to get a GeForce4 Ti 4200
[03:11] <monkey89> <3 ti4200
[03:11] <thechitowncubs> lol
[03:11] <Reblended> crimsun,  I love it!  ty
[03:11] <zenrox> or a ti4800se
[03:11] <thr1ce> ok...anyone think of a reason for me to not switch from slack to ubuntu ?
[03:11] <monkey89> that thing does so well
[03:11] <crimsun> Reblended: np
[03:11] <fazer> crimsun: can you suggest a good and lightweight IDE for PHP (and Python)?
[03:11] <Scuddie> Or maybe an ATi 9600 SE
[03:11] <crimsun> fazer: no, but google can
[03:11] <monkey89> fazer, I can, bluefish
[03:11] <GUISlave> wow
[03:11] <thechitowncubs> I don't even think they sell ti's at newegg
[03:11] <Zugot> fazer: quanta?  lol
[03:12] <farruinn> what's the name of the partitioner in the installer?
[03:12] <Scuddie> ti4200 is hard to find, yeah.
[03:12] <blahrus> parted?
[03:12] <Reblended> crimsun, if I wanted to rename something to something1 what do I type?
[03:12] <fazer> monkey89: ah yeah, thats what I have currently, I was thinking a little lighter than that ;)
[03:12] <Zugot> ebay
[03:12] <Scuddie> That's why I said 9600 SE
[03:12] <thr1ce> wtf is pmount
[03:12] <farruinn> blahrus: thanks :)
[03:12] <monkey89> fazer, doesn't get much lighter... gedit? :)
[03:12] <fazer> monkey89: hehe
[03:12] <thr1ce> is that ubuntu specific ?
[03:12] <fazer> monkey89: gedit has syntax highlighthing?
[03:12] <monkey89> fazer, yeah
[03:12] <thechitowncubs> the 3200 is a little pricey for my budget
[03:12] <fazer> monkey89: ah, thanks
[03:13] <Scuddie> Thechitrowncubs:  How much are you aiming to spend?
[03:13] <thechitowncubs> i just realized it, my wishlist is adding up
[03:13] <mkrenz> Where is the iptables rule file kept in ubuntu?
[03:13] <thr1ce> /etc/rc.d ?
[03:13] <nickrud> farruinn: cfdisk
[03:13] <thechitowncubs> ~275-350 if possible
[03:13] <thechitowncubs> Dollars...
[03:13] <blahrus> thechitowncubs: you can alwasy check out www.pricewatch.com
[03:13] <Scuddie> You're not going to pull it off.
[03:13] <thechitowncubs> Scuddie: why do you say that?
[03:13] <Scuddie> It's best if you buy used
[03:13] <Scuddie> Because I've been doing this for five years.
[03:13] <crimsun> Reblended: you pumount /dev/sda1, then pmount /dev/sda1 something1
[03:13] <JoshuaSydney> i have problem with x server (graphic card) ... anyone can help?
[03:14] <thechitowncubs> That's a hassle...
[03:14] <Scuddie> That figure is just too low, unless you are upgrading.
[03:14] <thechitowncubs> buy used from where, ebay?
[03:14] <blahrus> NOT ebay
[03:14] <thechitowncubs> lol
[03:14] <Scuddie> You can check refurbished items
[03:14] <thechitowncubs> then where...
[03:14] <thechitowncubs> oh ya...
[03:14] <Reblended> crimsun, thx
[03:14] <crimsun> thr1ce: no, it's used in Debian, too.
[03:15] <thr1ce> crimsun, what is it ?
[03:15] <Reblended> dhonn, where do I find the Xorg.conf file? I've cp'd the other two
[03:15] <thechitowncubs> believe me... right now my dad is running a 465mhz 128mb machine, and he uses it a lot
[03:15] <crimsun> thr1ce: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/pmount
[03:15] <thechitowncubs> It doesn't really need to be an afterburner
[03:15] <dhonn> /var/log/Xorg*
[03:15] <fazer> monkey89: thanks, I just wished that gedit supported gnome-vfs
[03:15] <thr1ce> crimsun, aaaaah...sorry :
[03:15] <JoshuaSydney> guys, how to fix x server if it doesn't detect my video card.?
[03:15] <nickrud> thechitowncubs: just put 512k in it it will work.
[03:15] <monkey89> fazer, um... I'd have to imagine it does, since its a gnome application...
[03:15] <thr1ce> joshua__, what card ?
[03:15] <Scuddie> I might be able to make one for 400.  Does that seem reasonable to you?
[03:15] <Reblended> dhonn, tx
[03:16] <fazer> monkey89: strange, because I can't see my FTP in there...
[03:16] <IIIEars> is there an automated disk imaging script app for linux?
[03:16] <monkey89> fazer, I was able to open up documents directly over ssh, so I think it works
[03:16] <JoshuaSydney> ummm its actually pretty old card, and im not sure about the brand, any ways to find out? type command..?
[03:16] <thechitowncubs> I think I convinced him he could survive on linux quite easily since all he does is Outlook (evolution), Quicken (comes in a linux version), Word (Open Office)
[03:16] <fazer> monkey89: strange, bluefish sees it but gedit doesn't =(
[03:16] <thechitowncubs> 400 still sounds pricey
[03:16] <monkey89> fazer, not sure...
[03:16] <Brunellus> whoa, there's a linux quicken?
[03:16] <Brunellus> I didn't know that.
[03:16] <thechitowncubs> Even though it really isn't...
[03:16] <monkey89> thechitowncubs, there's no linux quicken, but theres gnucash
[03:16] <thechitowncubs> There IS a linux quicken
[03:17] <monkey89> but you could get crossover office
[03:17] <monkey89> prove it. :)
[03:17] <Scuddie> Not compared to the 1200 Dell would charfge for it.
[03:17] <mkrenz> Ok, on Fedora its at /etc/sysconfig/iptables, on Gentoo its at /var/lib/iptables/rules.whatever   WHere is it on Ubuntu?
[03:17] <Brunellus> link me to the linux quicken
[03:17] <Scuddie> charge, even.
[03:17] <nickrud> Brunellus: guncash, double entry bookkeeping
[03:17] <Brunellus> I'm intrigued.
[03:17] <nickrud> gnucash :)
[03:17] <crimsun> mkrenz: /var/lib/iptables/
[03:17] <JoshuaSydney> im not sure about the card's brand... can i find out by typing up something.../?
[03:17] <thechitowncubs> oh fack... i forgot, it was only a mac version
[03:17] <monkey89> hehe
[03:17] <JoshuaSydney> ...
[03:18] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: what type of video card?
[03:18] <nickrud> Brunellus: reports suck, but it keeps _good_ books
[03:18] <thechitowncubs> SHIAT, that craps out the whole plan
[03:18] <thr1ce> lspci
[03:18] <JoshuaSydney> it's a PCI video card
[03:18] <JoshuaSydney> not sure about the brand though..
[03:18] <Reblended> dhonn, pastebin.com/272597
[03:18] <JoshuaSydney> i think it's cirrus logic
[03:18] <crimsun> JoshuaSydney: lspci -v  => pastebin.com
[03:18] <thechitowncubs> Ahhhh
[03:18] <JoshuaSydney> something like dat
[03:18] <thr1ce> what kernel is breezy using ?
[03:18] <Dethread> ah, imagine a world without coffee
[03:18] <mkrenz> crimsun, Well, I don't have that directory, but I have iptables installed.  And speaking of which, I also don't have /etc/init.d/iptables or anything like that.  So I'm not sure whether I'm missing some package or what.
[03:18] <flodine> can someone tell me why flux dont look right in ubuntu
[03:18] <crimsun> thr1ce: the same as Hoary, 2.6.10-34