[23:11] <LjL> Lykkefeen: err, is it read-only or not, anyway?
[23:12] <chickenfuego2> DaskreecH, try "apt-get install rccon"
[23:12] <chickenfuego2> DaskreecH, try "apt-get install rcconf"
[23:12] <adi> Ax-Ax | what next :9
[23:12] <adi> :)
[23:12] <LjL> meoblast001: nope, you didn't
[23:12] <Lykkefeen> LjL: Could you please give me a command to check that using xterm? chmod?
[23:12] <meoblast001> LjL: want proof?
[23:12] <LjL> meoblast001: sudo chmod g+rw /dev/bus/usb/004/00* ; sudo chown root:scanner /dev/bus/usb/004/00*
[23:12] <LjL> Lykkefeen: type "mount" and pastebin output
[23:12] <chaddy> LjL: to check ls -lah should do it
[23:12] <figo> hello
[23:12] <meoblast001> those worked
[23:12] <chaddy> hi figo
[23:13] <figo> hi chaddy
[23:13] <elmental> LjL, so make the /proc/ to /dev/ ?
[23:13] <figo> can i have some help
[23:13] <figo> plz
[23:13] <beautifulsnow> !ask | Sure you can :)
[23:13] <LjL> meoblast001: and add a sudo before chown, yes.
[23:13] <chaddy> figo: just think your question through and ask it
[23:13] <LjL> chaddy: wait, to check what?
[23:13] <figo> ok
[23:13] <meoblast001> LjL: no luck... im even running saned as root also
[23:13] <chaddy> sorry, LjL nm
[23:13] <chaddy> permissions
[23:13] <Lykkefeen> LjL: how do I paste anything from xterm?
[23:14] <LjL> uuh i'm confusing people, moment
[23:14] <Geforce88> beautifulsnow, i receive an eror after upgrade the drive isn't beign mounted due to an uuid error. possible causes/fix is to increase the rootdelay. i wanted to try that fix first. this is a working drive.
[23:14] <LjL> Lykkefeen: select with the mouse, then use middle click to paste
[23:14] <Geforce88> oopps, should have checked that before i hit enter
[23:14] <bobertdos> Lykkefeen: Shift-Ctrl_C and Shift-Ctrl-V
[23:14] <figo> ubuntu 8.04 envy-ng 8.6 wifi atheros 5007 everything is fine, but heres is the problem randomly, the computer tends to slow down
[23:14] <chaddy> Geforce88: seems like it might be better to fix the uuid error
[23:14] <figo> y explain myself
[23:15] <LjL> elmental: no, the /proc and /dev thing was for meoblast001, i messed up. *you* should go to #ubuntu+1, because that's the only place where you can get Intrepid help (since it's unsupported, unstable etc)
[23:15] <figo> the slow down makes the console crash
[23:15] <Lykkefeen> LjL: Here you go: http://paste.ubuntu.com/57163/
[23:15] <Geforce88> chaddy, the computer reboots when i go in to recovery mode on an earlier ibex kernal
[23:15] <beautifulsnow> ^^; I don't know much about grub. All I know about grub is the grub boot list file :3
[23:15] <figo> and y must reboot once in while to fix it
[23:15] <ice799> Hi is there a script that would allow me to quicly and easily create .deb packages? All the guides I've read have lots of steps and the process seems somewhat painful - are there any command line tools that shorten the process?
[23:15] <figo> what colud it be?
[23:15] <chaddy> Geforce88: is it just that your /etc/fstab is out of date?
[23:15] <LjL> !ibex | Geforce88
[23:15] <chaddy> Geforce88: you might get better help in #ubuntu+1 if you're on ibex
[23:16] <Geforce88> chaddy, no one is around to help
[23:16] <jrib> ice799: not if you want to make a proper package.  There's checkinstall, but it will not make a proper package
[23:16] <jrib> !checkinstall > ice799
[23:16] <LjL> Lykkefeen: uhm, seems read/write to me... what gave you that "read-only" error?
[23:16] <halycon> Does anyone know how to test if all the bluetooth stuff is installed and working in ubuntu?
[23:16] <meoblast001> LjL: i think im going to go eat dinner.. i'll bbl
[23:17] <Lykkefeen> LjL: sudo apt-get clean gives me the following error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/57164/
[23:17] <chaddy> Geforce88: I'd ls /dev/disk/by-uuid/ -ah and check you have the right uuid in /etc/fstab, but that's just an instinct of where to start
[23:17] <LjL> Lykkefeen: ok, but earlier you mentioned a "read-only filesystem" error too
[23:17] <figo> my computer slows down till the point that aplications start crashing, what could be problem?
[23:18] <chickenfuego2> halycon, a nice blue icon on the bar, otherwise, try "sudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth start"
[23:18] <DaskreecH> jrib: ping
[23:18] <chaddy> figo: do you have swap?
[23:18] <bobertdos> LjL: Yeah, he told me to disregard that :p
[23:18] <Raylz> with which command do i launch the software sources?
[23:18] <jrib> DaskreecH: eh?
[23:18] <DaskreecH> clarification of the manual
[23:18] <jrib> Raylz: software-properties-gtk
[23:18] <Raylz> jrib: ty
[23:18] <LjL> bobertdos: well, it's a pretty worrying error if it happens though, so i'd like to know where he got it from...
[23:18] <figo> i suppose how can y check that
[23:18] <DaskreecH> jrib: I have to remove all references to gdm before update-rc.d will work?
[23:18] <chaddy> figo: top will tell you
[23:18] <figo> k
[23:18] <alphamale1> whats the defference between exe3 and 2?
[23:19] <Lykkefeen> LjL: That was when I manually tried to create the missing directories in my var/apt/ directory that synapsis says are missing each time I try to update ubuntu...
[23:19] <bobertdos> LjL: I know......
[23:19] <chaddy> figo: it will list how much ram and swap you have and are using
[23:19] <LjL> alphamale1: ext3 is a journalling filesystem, ext2 isn't
[23:19] <figo> k
[23:19] <alphamale1> LjL what would be better for a low end server?
[23:19] <chaddy> figo: might be that you've filled the ram and applications are getting killed because you're out of space
[23:19] <LjL> Lykkefeen: that's a terrible idea, anyway, that error is very worrying if it ever happens on your root filesystem. are you sure your hard drive is not physically damaged?
[23:20] <jin> I love Ubuntu :-)
[23:20] <figo> ok i have swap what should i look for here?
[23:20] <beautifulsnow> Me too!
[23:20] <LjL> Lykkefeen: can you install "smartmontools" and check "smartctl -H" and "smartctl -A" for that drive?
[23:20] <Lykkefeen> LjL: how do I install stuff when apt-get is not working? :(
[23:20] <chaddy> figo: does this problem happen consistently every time you use the computer?
[23:20] <LjL> Lykkefeen: you're right too
[23:21] <jrib> DaskreecH: just use sysv-rc-conf
[23:21] <Frogging101> I resized my Windows partition, what now?
[23:21] <DaskreecH> jrib: I'm trying to make gdm not start up in runlevel 3 and it tells me that links already exist. I removed the links in rc3.d aand it still gives me the same error
[23:21] <LjL> Lykkefeen: i'll give you the link to a smartmontools package, see if you can install it with dpkg
[23:21] <Frogging101> Do I create a new one in the free space?
[23:21] <DaskreecH> jrib: So I just wanted to clarify that update-rc.d requires you to remove all links to gdm from all rc.* directores?
[23:21] <LjL> Lykkefeen: http://archive.ubuntu.cz/ubuntu/pool/main/s/smartmontools/smartmontools_5.37-6ubuntu1_i386.deb
[23:22] <figo> no its kinda random thing
[23:22] <kitche> DaskreecH: well you don't remove the links really you use update-rc.d gdm stop and it will do everything for you
[23:22] <DaskreecH> kitche: Yeah You'd think
[23:22] <PoisonArrow> Ok, what would be a reason that I am able to connect to irc but not able to surf the web?
[23:22] <Lykkefeen> LjL this is what happends when I try to sudo apt-get update: http://paste.ubuntu.com/57167/
[23:22] <DaskreecH> It's telling me that it already exists
[23:22] <ransom> poisonarrow: firewall?
[23:22] <beautifulsnow> figo you think it might be one particular program that causes the computer to slow down a lot? maybe it's just one program being buggy.
[23:22] <bobertdos> Frogging101: a new partition in the free space, yes
[23:22] <Frogging101> primary or logical?
[23:23] <PoisonArrow> ransom: Im not sure? How could I check?
[23:23] <Lykkefeen> LjL: /tmp/2yf+pg4e.deb.part could not be saved, because an unknown error occurred.
[23:23] <LjL> Lykkefeen: right, your APT is quite completely messed up, will possibly require a reinstall for good measure
[23:23] <LjL> Lykkefeen: boot from a live cd
[23:23] <figo> it might be firefox 3 i work just with a few consoles and the web browser
[23:23] <LjL> Lykkefeen: i do think your HD is likely faulty
[23:23] <DaskreecH> and the manual says that if links already exist update will not do anything if the service seems to be installed
[23:23] <DaskreecH> kitche: ^^^
[23:23] <Frogging101> bobertdos: Primary or logical?
[23:23] <LjL> Lykkefeen: or, your RAM could be, so if you want, run a memtest before rebooting from the live cd
[23:23] <ransom> poisonarrow: try pinging a server like www.google.com and see what comes back
[23:23] <PoisonArrow> ransom: I am able to ping google
[23:23] <bobertdos> Frogging101:  usually primary
[23:24] <PoisonArrow> ransom: maybe something with port 80?
[23:24] <figo> compiz-fusion cube thing
[23:24] <jrib> DaskreecH: if update-rc.d is confusing, just use sysv-rc-conf
[23:24] <Frogging101> bobertdos: and what do i put for use as and mount point?
[23:24] <ransom> poisonarrow: tht is what it sounds like
[23:24] <DaskreecH> jrib: can that remove for a single run level?
[23:24] <jrib> DaskreecH: yes
[23:24] <beautifulsnow> hey figo do you have a lot of FF3 extentions installed?
[23:24] <PoisonArrow> ransom: I just downloaded firestarter, Ima see what I can do with that
[23:24] <DaskreecH> I figure if I'm going to fix this I might as well do it properly
[23:24] <Lykkefeen> LjL: ok, so run a memtest (any particular settings?) if that's ok then smartmontools?
[23:24] <heret|c> adblock = the only ff extension worth having
[23:24] <DaskreecH> jrib: thanks
[23:24] <bobertdos> Frogging101: Well, unless you plan to have a separate home partition or something, just /
[23:25] <beautifulsnow> a seperate partition would be nice now, woudlnt it
[23:25] <figo> 3 or 4 skins the gmail plugin and thats it
[23:25] <figo> could be emerald or the ati drivers?
[23:25] <Frogging101> bobertdos: I am installing ubuntu for dual boot with windows xp
[23:25] <dli> beautifulsnow, no, I like just one big partition
[23:25] <figo> something related to 3d graphics?
[23:26] <DaskreecH> jrib: one more question :)
[23:26] <LjL> Lykkefeen: yes. no particular settings, just use the "memtest" option that you can select from either the Live CD or your GRUB menu
[23:26] <bobertdos> Frogging101: Yeah, so unless you plan to make other partitions, just use /
[23:26] <DaskreecH> is Ubuntu still Sysv?
[23:26] <jrib> !upstart | DaskreecH
[23:26] <Lykkefeen> LjL: ok brb
[23:26] <DaskreecH> I thought that it had moved on to a new startup sequence
[23:26] <DaskreecH> RIght upstart
[23:26] <Frogging101> bobertdos: what do i put for use as?
[23:26] <PoisonArrow> ransom: I don't know? Still not working
[23:26] <DaskreecH> Hmm
[23:26] <DaskreecH> Need to logout to read that website
[23:26] <vladovg> hii
[23:26] <HaSH> is there a way to keep a package from being updated?
[23:26] <figo> is there a utility i could install to monitor cpu stress and find out what it is?
[23:26] <jrib> DaskreecH: read it after you fix X?
[23:26] <beautifulsnow> figo, im sorry, but it could be ANYTHING   hehehe! Have you considered stripping down ubuntu (take off compiz effects, use Epiphany instead of FF just to test) and see if it makes any diference? And then, try adding them back one at the time to see what starts giving you the problem
[23:27] <DaskreecH> jrib: Well I can't fix X till I read it
[23:27] <jrib> figo: system -> administration -> system monitor
[23:27] <HaSH> figo, there is unixbench...but i dont know if its in repos
[23:27] <bobertdos> Frogging101: The filesystem should be ext3 and the mounpoint should be /
[23:27] <DaskreecH> I guess I could
[23:27] <beautifulsnow> figo if you run  gnome terminal, and type       top          it will tell you which apps are causing stress
[23:27] <DaskreecH> sysv-rc-conf will work with upstart?
[23:27] <jrib> DaskreecH: why would I tell you to use it if it didn't? :)
[23:27] <Frogging101> bobertdos: beginning or end?
[23:27] <DaskreecH> as I recall upstart is backwards compatible?
[23:27] <HaSH> figo, well unixbench is more for benchmarking..not monitoring.
[23:27] <DaskreecH> jrib: Lapse of memory :)
[23:27] <bobertdos> Frogging101: typically beginning
[23:28] <DaskreecH> LInux moves fast it's hard to keep track sometimes
[23:28] <DaskreecH> ok
[23:28] <jrib> DaskreecH: upstart is just using the sysv scripts still
[23:28] <DaskreecH> let me go install it
[23:28] <Frogging101> bobertdos: okay, is that all i need for a dual boot?
[23:28] <Frogging101> two partitions?
[23:28] <thiebaude> HaSH:when update manager starts with an update, you can click on the left of it to prevent it from being upgraded
[23:28] <DaskreecH> jrib: For Jackalope we'll move away from sysv scripts?
[23:28] <skorasaurus> hi, i have a USB drive and I'm unable to edit the files on it.
[23:28] <figo> well il play around thanks everyone for helping out
[23:28] <DigitalFiz> where can i get ubuntu startup screens?
[23:28] <jrib> DaskreecH: don't know
[23:28] <DaskreecH> That's part of the get Ubuntu to boot fast movement?
[23:28] <figo> :)
[23:28] <aguitel> how to create pdf document ?
[23:28] <DaskreecH> aguitel: Print
[23:29] <Geforce88> skorasaurus change permissions to your user name
[23:29] <bobertdos> Frogging101: Well, basically, yeah. The installer has detected your XP partition right? If so, Grub should set up automatically and everything should be good to go.
[23:29] <HaSH> thiebaude, hmm was hoping there would be another way..i dont really use guis for package managment
[23:29] <skorasaurus> I tried using chown in the terminal, but a message is returned that says 'read-only file system'
[23:29] <DaskreecH> aguitel: Print to a file and it has a PDF option
[23:29] <jrib> skorasaurus: provide more details
[23:29] <Frogging101> bobertdos: thanks
[23:29] <DaskreecH> jrib: onward!!!
[23:29] <skorasaurus> sudo chown -R myusername *
[23:29] <meoblast001> LjL: back
[23:29] <jrib> skorasaurus: what are you chowning exactly?
[23:29] <skorasaurus> i used that command in the directory of the USB key
[23:29] <thiebaude> HaSH:ok
[23:30] <jrib> skorasaurus: pastebin 'mount'
[23:30] <skorasaurus> all of the files on the usb key (which is being automatically detected and mounted)
[23:30] <thiebaude> hmm
[23:30] <skorasaurus> k
[23:30] <boselecta> i'm having a terrible time trying to use a webcam on hardy.
[23:31] <skorasaurus> http://pastebin.ca/1226313  (the usb drive is named GOCOWS)
[23:31] <beautifulsnow> !webcam
[23:31] <boselecta> thanks
[23:32] <meoblast001> LjL: any idea on how to fix it?
[23:32] <niccholaspage> Hey
[23:32] <aguitel> h
[23:34] <thiebaude> brb, 48 more updates for 8.10
[23:34] <alex80> help
[23:34] <Shamel> past!
[23:34] <janez> hi all
[23:34] <meoblast001> LjL?
[23:34] <thiebaude> hi janez
[23:35] <bobertdos> skorasaurus: Try this instead: sudo chown -R $USERNAME:$USERNAME . in that folder.
[23:35] <PoisonArrow> ransom: I think I remember what the problem was, I got it to work but it wasnt from rebuilding the drivers. For me to get wireless I have to laod my drivers manually everytime(thought I got a script for that now) but before it seemed like the network manager would always override it, so I used network manager and it works now
[23:35] <Flare183> !hi | janez
[23:35] <thiebaude> !hi
[23:35] <PoisonArrow> ransom: though I think I deleted network manager
[23:35] <PoisonArrow> ransom: before
[23:35] <Shamel> could somone help me with this
[23:35] <Shamel> hi Failed to fetch cdrom:[Ubuntu 8.04 _Hardy Heron_ - Release i386 (20080408)]/dists/Hardy/restricted/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Please use apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be used to add new CD-ROMs
[23:36] <ransom> poisonarrow: well i'm glad you made some progress!
[23:36] <PoisonArrow> ransom: thanks :P for the help
[23:36] <skorasaurus> bobertdos: the terminal returned that it was missing an operand.
[23:36] <ransom> poisonarrow: np
[23:36] <janez> I recently purchased a dell studio 1535 from a store (staples) and immediately went to install 8.04 on it. I would have ordered it directly through dell since they now ship the laptop with ubuntu, but the wait time is backed up for weeks. Long story short; When I try boot the live cd it have me vertical color lines
[23:36] <alex80> hello everybody
[23:36] <goose> chickenfuego2, it was the way my internet was set up
[23:36] <LjL> meoblast001: we were at "sudo chmod g+rw /dev/bus/usb/004/00* ; sudo chown root:scanner /dev/bus/usb/004/00*", right?
[23:36] <janez> here is the pick, http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0145tb7.jpg
[23:36] <bobertdos> skorasaurus:Did you include the .
[23:36] <meoblast001> LjL: yup
[23:37] <meoblast001> still wont work
[23:37] <goose> chickenfuego2, when I hard wired in to the main router, SSH worked fine
[23:37] <skorasaurus> bobertdos: i did not :p
[23:37] <chickenfuego2> goose ooo?
[23:37] <LjL> meoblast001: can you try "scanimage -L" on the client?
[23:37] <meoblast001> LjL: i think Bill Gates is laughing at me right now
[23:37] <meoblast001> LjL:  client?
[23:37] <alex80> i would like to ask help about the configuration of tor
[23:37] <chickenfuego2> goose so the second router was firewalling something?
[23:37] <LjL> meoblast001: on the client machine, didn't you say you're using xsane on a client with saned being on the server?
[23:37] <chickenfuego2> but if windows was working?
[23:38] <meoblast001> LjL: ok just making sure =P... i got this.. device `net:<IP_ADDRESS>:brother2:bus5;dev1' is a Brother MFC-5440CN USB scanner
[23:38] <beautifulsnow> Does anyone know why ubuntuforums uses coffee beans on user info?
[23:38] <skorasaurus> bobertdos: i did that, still returned:
[23:38] <skorasaurus> chown: changing ownership of `./myhouse.doc Read-only file system
[23:38] <meoblast001> beautifulsnow: because they like coffee
[23:38] <shiloh7> g evening fellas
[23:38] <LjL> meoblast001: so it's recognizing it, now try "scanimage >test.pnm"
[23:38] <thiebaude> !xulrunner
[23:38] <goose> chickenfuego2, linux didn't know to proxy through both routers, it saw my extension router as my actual ISP router
[23:39] <skorasaurus> is the usb key corrupted ?
[23:39] <meoblast001> LjL: running
[23:39] <goose> my other problem: When I try to "Places > Connect to Server", Windows Share, I get "Can't display location "smb://<IP_ADDRESS>" No application is registered as handling this file"
[23:39] <LjL> meoblast001: is the scanner scanning?
[23:39] <meoblast001> yup
[23:39] <bobertdos> skorasaurus: and you're using sudo?
[23:39] <LjL> meoblast001: ok then the problem is just in xsane. close it, wait for scanimage to finish, then start it again
[23:39] <skorasaurus> bobertdos: yes, i did use sudo
[23:39] <janez> I recently purchased a dell studio 1535 from a store (staples) and immediately went to install 8.04 on it. I would have ordered it directly through dell since they now ship the laptop with ubuntu, but the wait time is backed up for weeks. Long story short; When I try boot the live cd it have me vertical color lines, here is the pick, http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0145tb7.jpg
[23:39] <jrib> skorasaurus: why do you want to chown?
[23:39] <LjL> meoblast001: (for the record - if you were on Windows, i doubt you could use a scanner remotely to begin with)
[23:40] <skorasaurus> jrib: the files are read-only.
[23:40] <skorasaurus> it's a USB key.
[23:40] <skorasaurus> usb drive, i mean
[23:40] <meoblast001> LjL: ok lol... so what do i do with Xsane?
[23:40] <jrib> skorasaurus: check dmesg for interesting output
[23:40] <skorasaurus> http://pastebin.ca/1226313
[23:40] <LjL> meoblast001: for now just close it, and start it again after scanimage finishes, and see if it works by any chance - just as a test
[23:40] <goose> janez, what type of processor?
[23:40] <janez> goose, intel core 2 duo
[23:41] <jrib> skorasaurus: also, what is the current ownership and rights?
[23:41] <meoblast001> LjL: nope
[23:41] <meoblast001> Invalid arguements
[23:41] <bobertdos> jrib: I think the drive is root owned, we've been running into that a lot lately.
[23:41] <goose> janez, x86? did you download the 32 bit OS?
[23:41] <janez> goose, and I have a i965GM video chipset
[23:41] <goose> that happened to me when I tried to install the 64 bit on my 32
[23:41] <skorasaurus> here are the results of my dmesg: http://pastebin.ca/1226322
[23:41] <janez> goose, amd64
[23:41] <goose> janez, wrong distro
[23:42] <goose> janez, you need to download the 32 bit
[23:42] <bobertdos> skorasaurus: Pastebin  ls -l on the directory please.
[23:42] <jrib> !who | skorasaurus
[23:42] <LjL> meoblast001: so it might be trying to use some feature that the scanner doesn't support, perhaps. does it give that error immediately when you start it, or just when you try to scan? if the latter, then try changing parameters (resolution, etc)
[23:42] <jrib> skorasaurus: did you see anything interesting in dmesg?
[23:42] <meoblast001> LjL: when i push scan
[23:43] <meoblast001> well.... click it
[23:43] <Plz> How on earth do I upgrade from 2.4.1 to 3.0? I have downloaded OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_en-US_deb.tar.gz, but what do I do with it?
[23:43] <LjL> meoblast001: then try using other parameters. 300dpi, 24bit color sounds like a reasonable start.
[23:43] <skorasaurus> jrib and bobertdos: i posted my pastebin -  http://pastebin.ca/1226322
[23:43] <Plz> Please help me someone.
[23:43] <PoisonArrow> Can anyone tell me if Network Manager somehow overrides parameters manually submitted with the iwconfig command?
[23:43] <skorasaurus> jrib: i mean dmsg
[23:43] <skorasaurus> ls -l is coming up
[23:43] <LjL> Plz: why are you attempting to upgrade a program using random stuff downloaded from the internet? you certainly know you're supposed to use the official repositories, especially for important stuff as openoffice
[23:43] <jrib> skorasaurus: I know.  I'm asking you if you see anything interesting relating to your sdb1 there?
[23:44] <Plz> LjL: I downloaded it from http://download.openoffice.org/
[23:44] <goose> my other problem: When I try to "Places > Connect to Server", Windows Share, I get "Can't display location "smb://<IP_ADDRESS>" No application is registered as handling this file"
[23:44] <janez> goose, I gonna try with 32bits
[23:44] <LjL> Plz: well, that's a bad idea.
[23:44] <DaskreecH> jrib: Slight problem :)
[23:44] <skorasaurus> jrib: there's #
[23:44] <skorasaurus> FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sdb1)
[23:44] <skorasaurus> #
[23:44] <skorasaurus> [  158.119490]     fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 12907)
[23:44] <skorasaurus> #
[23:44] <FloodBot3> skorasaurus: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:44] <skorasaurus> [  158.119494]     File system has been set read-only
[23:44] <meoblast001> LjL: nothing
[23:44] <Plz> LjL: What do you suggest I should do then?
[23:44] <janez> goose, you have a intel video?
[23:44] <skorasaurus> ack, sorry.
[23:44] <jrib> skorasaurus: yeah, my guess is that that's related to your issues
[23:44] <DaskreecH> upstart doesn't support choosing a run level from the grub command line
[23:44] <goose> janez, no, NVIDIA, but trust me, that'll fix it
[23:44] <DaskreecH> and there is no inittab file
[23:45] <skorasaurus> jrib: http://pastebin.ca/1226327
[23:45] <skorasaurus> i think that's the problem, but i dont know how to solve it.
[23:45] <jrib> DaskreecH: so just make runlevel 2 not run X.  This is temporary anyway
[23:45] <janez> goose, i dont think so, but i gonna try...
[23:45] <LjL> Plz: i suggest you just wait for the next version of Ubuntu, which might possibly have openoffice 3.0 included.
[23:45] <DaskreecH> Grrrr :)
[23:45] <janez> goose, with vesa drivers works fine
[23:45] <jrib> skorasaurus: next step is to google the error
[23:45] <Plz> LjL: well, I don`t want to wait that long...
[23:45] <Plz> LjL: OOo 3.0 is to good to wait 16 days..
[23:46] <LjL> Plz: then type "tar xf OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_en-US_deb.tar.gz ; sudo dpkg -i OOo_3.0.0_LinuxIntel_install_en-US_deb", but do that at your own risk.
[23:46] <LjL> if breakage occurs, we won't be able to help you.
[23:46] <meoblast001> LjL: should i update the drivers on my client?
[23:46] <aguitel> how create and modify pdf document ?
[23:46] <bobertdos> Plz: Obviously, we won't be able to convince you, so the next best advice is to use the deb, not a tar.gz
[23:46] <LjL> meoblast001: i think the drivers themselves are fine, since scanimage works
[23:46] <meoblast001> LjL: problem solved
[23:47] <adi> hi all
[23:47] <Plz> LjL: If it goes to **** I just reinstall.
[23:47] <LjL> aguitel: openoffice lets you save anything as PDF. as for "editing", that's nontrivial, PDF wasn't thought as an editing format
[23:47] <LjL> meoblast001: hm?
[23:47] <meoblast001> LjL: i mean.. problem found
[23:47] <Plz> bobertdos: There is no .deb files at http://download.openoffice.org/
[23:47] <meoblast001> LjL: http://pastebin.com/d22ab910d
[23:47] <thomc> is it necessary to mount nfs shares synchronously?
[23:47] <adi> how to create a file in file system as root
[23:47] <adi> ?
[23:47] <LjL> Plz: yes, there is a .deb file. it's just (for some reason) gzipped
[23:47] <adi> from terminal
[23:48] <LjL> adi: why would you?
[23:48] <meoblast001> LjL: nvm.. i just broke saned lol
[23:48] <unop> adi,  sudo $EDITOR filename
[23:48] <Plz> Well, I did download the Linux deb...
[23:48] <adi> i just daleted my sudoers file
[23:48] <adi> :(
[23:48] <adi> from /etc
[23:48] <meoblast001> LjL: O_o. and my scanner.... the light is stuck sitting half way through the scanner
[23:48] <Plz> When I open it I see toans of .deb files.
[23:48] <LjL> meoblast001, you stopped scanimage while it was still running, that may easily cause trouble such as you just had
[23:48] <unop> adi, errm, how did you manage that?
[23:48] <LjL> meoblast001: turn it off.
[23:48] <unop> adi, and you won't be able to use sudo anyway without a valid sudoers
[23:48] <jrib> skorasaurus: I see some posts recommending a fsck.vfat
[23:49] <SirHaXalot> I have a ubuntu security related question , how come you can get root access to any ubuntu machine just with a ubuntu cd? i forgot my password on one of my machines, and i just tried to run ubuntu live and mount sda1, and just added a new user.? why isnt installed file structure secured after been installed. just wondering :)
[23:49] <meoblast001> LjL: it wont respond
[23:49] <adi> yep
[23:49] <ransom> Plz: you should look at this forum post.  according to it, the oo.org 3.0 .deb should work, althoug i haven't tried it myself http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=946439&highlight=openoffice
[23:49] <adi> that my problem
[23:49] <LjL> Plz: then run "dpkg -i *.deb" for all of them (make sure you don't have other, unrelated .deb files in the same directory first)
[23:49] <skorasaurus> jrib and bobertdos: that's what im reading - to do a fsck.vfat
[23:49]  * skorasaurus is trying to figure out how to do that.
[23:49] <LjL> meoblast001: pull the plug
[23:49] <DaskreecH> jrib: thanks.
[23:49] <adi> how to place it again in it's place
[23:49] <jrib> DaskreecH: no problem
[23:49] <kitche> SirHaXalot: umm with physical access it doesn't matter if the file system is secured or not
[23:49] <DaskreecH> jrib: There is a script on the Upstart wiki to make it respect runlevels from the command grub prompt
[23:50] <BlueEagle> skorasaurus: fsck will run fsck.vfat if the provided partition is formatted with the vfat filesystem.
[23:50] <meoblast001> LjL: oh dang it.. it made funny noises.. it reset too far and the motor bumped the edge i think
[23:50] <BlueEagle> skorasaurus: You can force the filesystem type by passing -t vfat to fsck iirc
[23:50] <jrib> DaskreecH: you already have it in /etc/event.d/rc-default
[23:50] <meoblast001> LjL: its good now
[23:50] <LjL> meoblast001: i suspected that would happen, but there wasn't really a way to avoid it
[23:50] <unop> adi, you'll need to boot the machine up in the recovery mode, that will give you a root shell.  using that use  visudo  to add this line in.   user ALL=(ALL) ALL
[23:50] <skorasaurus> BlueEagle: thanks.
[23:50] <DaskreecH> jrib: No that just looks for single if you put in a number it ignores it and boots default
[23:50] <jrib> DaskreecH: ah, no you don't, never mind
[23:50] <unop> adi, where  'user' is your primary user's username.
[23:50] <bobertdos> Plz: Yes, without the repos, the next best thing is to let dpkg handle deb files.
[23:50]  * skorasaurus is backing up his usb drive right now
[23:50] <LjL> meoblast001: hopefully, that hasn't damaged the motor. don't stop it when it's in progress in the future
[23:51] <adi> I have a copy of this file in my home dit
[23:51] <DaskreecH> jrib: And this is a Ibex install so
[23:51] <adi> di
[23:51] <adi> dir
[23:51] <meoblast001> LjL: i told it to do the PNG one and it wont do anything... the terminal is sitting there mid process
[23:51] <LjL> adi: why have you *deleted* your sudoers file?!
[23:51] <SirHaXalot> kitche, well, if computer get stolen, it should atleast given an option for encryption under the innstallation, maybe this future is in 8.10?
[23:51] <unop> adi, you could copy the contents of this file into visudo then
[23:51] <LjL> meoblast001: (it doesn't really matter, but the extension is ".pnm", not ".png")
[23:51] <adi> i wanted to change the way
[23:52] <adi> the sys ask me for pass all time
[23:52] <kitche> SirHaXalot: encryption won't matter really if your computer is stolen, since they will just wipe the drive and be done
[23:52] <meoblast001> LjL: png is a file extention for images
[23:52] <jrib> DaskreecH: should respect a /etc/inittab though
[23:52] <janez> goose, nah
[23:52] <janez> goose, same problem
[23:52] <LjL> meoblast001: err... i know that. but the image format that scanimage uses is PNM, not PNG.
[23:52] <unop> adi, so you thought deleting the sudoers file would get rid of the password prompts??
[23:52] <meoblast001> im testing that because that's what Xsane is trying to make
[23:52] <adi> I tried to mod the section where it says # User privilege specification
[23:52] <adi> adi	ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL
[23:52] <LjL> meoblast001: please, don't try to second guess me. if i say to save it as a PNM, there's probably a reason.
[23:52] <alexander_27__> -laden.de
[23:52] <BlueEagle> adi: You are aware of the security implications of not requireing passwords for root privileges, aren't you?
[23:53] <adi> no no wait
[23:53] <meoblast001> LjL: ok
[23:53] <meoblast001> LjL: so what next
[23:53] <LjL> meoblast001: typing "man scanimage" will confirm that it outputs as PNM by default
[23:53] <Frogging101> If, in the ubuntu installer, I check 'format' in the new partition that IS NOT WINDOWS, will it erase anything?
[23:53] <LjL> adi: why haven't you used visudo to modify it?
[23:53] <meoblast001> LjL: do we look for xsane logs?
[23:53] <SirHaXalot> kitche, yeah, but should eyes be on security anyways, it can get stolen for information gathering also, im just thinking of coperate firms and security implementation, just as an option encryption as a choice under install
[23:53] <LjL> meoblast001: first try to make scanimage work again...
[23:53] <Tetracomm> Hello.
[23:53] <Tetracomm> I now have sound.
[23:53] <adi> never used visudo
[23:53] <LjL> meoblast001: try restarting saned, sudo invoke-rc.d saned restart
[23:54] <LjL> adi: well, that's a bad thing. you should *always* use it when editing sudoers.
[23:54] <unop> BlueEagle, it's not so bad as long as your account is protected
[23:54] <Tetracomm> But the volume control thing doesn't work, it just shows me an empty window.
[23:54] <m4r3z> Question : Installed ubuntu on my ps3, 1 of the version thats supposed to work with ps3... installed now, but I cant create folders anywhere else than my desktop.. where did I go wrong ?
[23:54] <adi> first time dealing with sudoers
[23:54] <meoblast001> LjL: ok i restarted the server lol... but yeah its working..... Ctrl+C TIME!.. j/k i wouldnt do that
[23:54] <adi> so now...
[23:54] <LjL> adi: alright, well, you know that for next time. so now you can't use sudo at all?
[23:54] <Tetracomm> Help?
[23:54] <Frogging101> m4r3z: How do you install ubuntu on a ps3?
[23:54] <meoblast001> LjL: all works
[23:55] <DaskreecH> Frogging101: #ubuntu-ps3
[23:55] <Mooloo> hi, i just booted an ubuntu desktop image from cd, how do i make this permanent? i thought it would be an installer, heh
[23:55] <LjL> meoblast001: well, not xsane i guess?
[23:55] <DaskreecH> #ps3linux
[23:55] <adi> but i think I should replace the file ..
[23:55] <m4r3z> Frogging101 almost like a pc i suppose ;)
[23:55] <chaddy> m4r3z: that's not officially supported any mores, have you looked at yellow dog linux 6?
[23:55] <adi> no?
[23:55] <droopsta915> can someone help me set up my wireless laptop?
[23:55] <Stupendoussteve> Mooloo, there should be an icon on the desktop to install
[23:55] <BlueEagle> !anyone | droopsta915
[23:55] <unop> adi, did you not read what i had to say so far?
[23:55] <adi> so from tty2 what should I do?
[23:55] <kapipi> Mooloo there should be an icon on your desktop saying "Install ubuntu"
[23:55] <DaskreecH> m4r3z: #ubutnu-ps3 #ps3linux
[23:55] <LjL> meoblast001: i don't really know what the deal is with xsane, but could you consider using a different front-end? "quiteinsane" for instance
[23:55] <DaskreecH> bah
[23:55] <DaskreecH> #ubuntu-ps3
[23:55] <Frogging101>  If, in the ubuntu installer, I check 'format' in the new partition that IS NOT WINDOWS, will it erase anything?
[23:55] <m4r3z> chaddy, yeah, had problems with permissions there aswell, im quite new with linux, but a friend of mine sat for acouple of hours and didnt get shit to work
[23:56] <m4r3z> ok thanx
[23:56] <LjL> !who | adi
[23:56] <Mooloo> uhm, ok i'm a dork. i checked the menus and shell, i never use desktop icons, heh.
[23:56] <droopsta915> can someone help me setup wifi on my laptop?
[23:56] <LjL> adi, answer me please, can you use sudo now or not?
[23:56] <bobertdos> Frogging101: Your windows partition will not get touched.
[23:56] <droopsta915> oops, how do u set up wifi on my laptop?
[23:56] <chendo_> Is there a good tutorial for setting up ubuntu server with RAID1 and LVM?
[23:56] <sebjo> hi, is there any1 here who can help out a newbie. i tried to restart my apache server and got the following msg: (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address <IP_ADDRESS>:80
[23:56] <meoblast001> LjL: are there xsane logs?
[23:56] <DaskreecH> !wifi
[23:56] <Frogging101> bobertdos: thanks again
[23:56] <sebjo> what to do?
[23:56] <LjL> meoblast001: not sure honestly, i'm on KDE
[23:56] <sebjo> :(
[23:56] <adi> i typed gksu nautilus and
[23:56] <adi> didnt worked
[23:56] <jrib> sebjo: how did you try to restart it?
[23:57] <meoblast001> LjL: oh... .KDE sux lol
[23:57] <meoblast001> j/k
[23:57] <DaskreecH> LjL: Whoooo
[23:57] <Frogging101> It is warning me about swap space, what should I do?
[23:57] <adi> so i presume no sudo
[23:57] <DaskreecH> meoblast001: Boooo
[23:57] <meoblast001> LjL: its just my personal preference that i dont like KDE much
[23:57] <LjL> abi, type "sudo true" and see if that works. and, please, pay mind to the "!who" thing i gave you.
[23:57] <meoblast001> cant get used to some things
[23:57] <sebjo> jrib: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[23:57] <bobertdos> Frogging101: How much ram do you have?
[23:57] <Frogging101> how much swap space should i make
[23:57] <LjL> meoblast001: well, my personal preference is in favor of KDE, but personal preferences don't really matter her
[23:57] <DaskreecH> LjL: that's what she said
[23:57] <LjL> here* ...
[23:58] <Frogging101> 448 (It says 512 on front of computer, but not in system settings)
[23:58] <Frogging101> MB
[23:58] <jrib> sebjo: what happens if you do '/etc/init.d/apache2 stop'?  Can you check if apache is still running?
[23:58] <Tetracomm> Why is it that the Alsa mixer window is always empty? I just installed Debian.
[23:58] <meoblast001> LjL: cant GIMP control sane?
[23:58] <recon> Does anybody know of a tool I can use to adjust the page numbering on a pdf file?
[23:58] <LjL> adi, please speak in the channel
[23:58] <erichetta> !list
[23:58] <adi> ok
[23:59] <erichetta> halo
[23:59] <erichetta> !list
[23:59] <bobertdos> Frogging101:  The general rule of thumb is to double your RAM amount. So either create a swap partition (or you can create a swap file if you don't want to resize your partitions again).
[23:59] <LjL> meoblast001: don't know, i don't use gimp either. but probably yes, at least with "gimp2.0-quiteinsane"
[23:59] <DaskreecH> erichetta: You just did that
[23:59] <zelrikriando> Tetracomm, it's not a Debian channel here as far as I know :)
[23:59] <Frogging101> okay thank you
[23:59] <thiebaude> !swap
[23:59] <skorasaurus> blueeagle jrib: i tried to issue fsck -t vfat
[23:59] <LjL> meoblast001: you should also have "xscanimage" (which has some kind of GIMP support) already installed, try that too.
[23:59] <sebjo> jrib: httpd (no pid file) not running
[23:59] <Mooloo> man that zoomable worldmap timechooser is neat :)
[23:59] <meoblast001> LjL: i cant find quiteinsane on my aplications menu after i installed
[23:59] <skorasaurus> and i receiveD: fsck: fsck.ntfs: not found
[23:59] <skorasaurus> fsck: Error 2 while executing fsck.ntfs for /dev/sda1
[23:59] <thiebaude> if you don't have enough
[23:59] <jrib> sebjo: k, so can you check if apache is running?


[07:49] <BlackFX> Hi all, probably a dumb question - but how the hell can I change the default domain ?
[08:02] <brendand> BlackFX, right now you can only rename the default domain, not change it per se, and that only via the cli
[08:03] <BlackFX> hrum
[08:03] <BlackFX> that sucks
[08:03] <brendand> like 'maas PROFILE domain update 0 name=new.domain.name'
[08:03] <brendand> there are bugs open
[08:03] <BlackFX> I have over 100 devices in a domain that was setup - just not default
[08:04] <brendand> BlackFX, yeah that is unfortunate, i know. you could script the update with the cli
[08:04] <BlackFX> Yeah I guess I’ll have to :)
[08:05] <BlackFX> Great project though
[08:13] <brendand> BlackFX, feel free to file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/maas/+filebug
[08:16] <Lasse_> Is 'Wake on lan' gone as an option in Maas 2?
[08:37] <errr> using 2.1.1+bzr5544-0ubuntu1 how can I add a CNAME entry for a box in DNS?
[08:39] <errr> honestly, anything thats not an A record as far as that goes.. this isnt super obvious when maas is controlling bind..
[10:52] <amit__> hi
[10:52] <amit__> Join
[10:52] <amit__> to all
[11:00] <amit__> hi
[13:06] <brandor5> Can anyone tell me where curtin is getting the function routes.append from?
[13:09] <brandor5> nevermind, i think i found what i'm looking for
[13:46] <mup> Bug #1649890 opened: [2.0-2.2] name resolution fails on ipv6-only hosts, unless dns_servers set <maas-ipv6> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1649890>
[16:40] <mup> Bug #1649951 opened: handlers.py WARNING failed posting event finish SUCCESS <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1649951>
[17:10] <mup> Bug #1649951 changed: handlers.py WARNING failed posting event finish SUCCESS <cloud-init:New> <MAAS:Won't Fix> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1649951>
[20:26] <maverick_> Hi everyone! I'm testing MAAS and it looks awesome. I want to know if there is a tutorial to add custom images like CoreOS. Thanks


[13:49] <jamespage> gema: around?  I have a qa topic for next week and wanted to check where it might fit best
[14:31] <alourie> hello qa
[19:16] <balloons> jamespage, what topic did you have for qa?


[00:04] <Darael> AlexJ_: You'll need to use gconftool, I believe.  Gnome-panel settings are stored in gconf.
[00:05] <jacobw> AlexJ_: You can probably delete the applet from the panel using the gconf command line tool to unset the key in /apps/panel/applets
[00:06] <jacobw> AlexJ_: http://library.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/stable/gconf-6.html.en
[00:06] <hamitron> anyone here use Puppy Linux?
[00:06] <AlexJ_> jacobw: thank you, ill try that
[00:07] <eddiek> hi there. is there anyone from Blackpool LUG in here
[00:09] <AlexJ_> jacobw: I typed this but it appears not to have worked, gconftool --unset /apps/panel/applets
[00:09] <AlexJ_> jacobw: I typed this but it appears not to have worked, gconftool-2 --unset /apps/panel/applets
[00:10] <AlexJ_> I forgot the "gconftool-2" when typing the first line here
[00:11] <jacobw> AlexJ_: applets is a directory of keys, I imagine --unset requires a specific key as an argument
[00:11] <AlexJ_> oh
[00:11] <AlexJ_> :s
[00:21] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well.
[01:21] <hamitron> how can you tell if a package is updated with the server support?
[01:21] <hamitron> or dropped when the desktop version is no longer supported
[01:22] <hamitron> !server
[02:15] <cps> anyone else unable to sleep? -.-
[02:16] <hamitron> :)
[02:16] <hamitron> not actually tried :/
[02:23] <hamitron> now I will
[02:23] <hamitron> nn ;)
[03:25] <ledzeplin1989> hello there all, is there anyone about to help
[03:26] <ledzeplin1989> need some help with wordpress please
[08:24] <danfish> has the uk planet stopped updating?
[08:24] <danfish> oops - ignore that - mistype
[08:24] <danfish> g'morning btw :)
[08:41] <LiamGallear> Morning
[08:48] <MooDoo> morning
[08:52] <cps_> Morning peeps :)
[08:57] <czajkowski> Aloha
[08:58] <cps_> guten morgen czajkowski, wie geht's?
[08:59] <czajkowski> !de
[09:01] <MooDoo> czajkowski: morning
[09:09] <czajkowski> MooDoo: ello
[09:17] <kvarley> I know wine lets you run windows programs in linux, is there one for mac applications?
[09:18] <MooDoo> kvarley: not that i'm aware of no
[09:19] <kvarley> MooDoo: Ok :)
[09:23] <AlanBell> http://mac-on-linux.sourceforge.net/
[09:24] <AlanBell> looks dead though
[09:25] <kvarley> Thanks AlanBell, I'll check it out. I suppose wine will do as nearly all the programs I'd use offer a windows client. Just was interested. :)
[09:35] <cps> czajkowski: I see what you did there
[09:41] <kazade> morning all
[09:42] <kazade> don't suppose anyone in here knows much about packaging?
[09:42] <kazade> I'm trying to package a library of mine that has a build-depends on libboost-thread-dev, but pbuilder keeps saying this: pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: libboost-thread-dev which is a virtual package.
[09:43] <popey> !info libboost-thread
[09:43] <popey> !info libboost-thread-dev
[09:44] <czajkowski> how's folks today ?
[09:45] <kazade> czajkowski, confused, 4 day weeks mess me up :p
[09:45] <kazade> popey, I think I need to enable universe in my .pbuilderrc
[09:45] <czajkowski> heh but they are soo nice
[09:45] <kazade> true that
[09:45] <popey> yes kazade
[09:45] <czajkowski> April has a good few 3 and 4 day weeks :D
[09:45] <popey> alan@wopr:~$ cat .pbuilderrc
[09:45] <popey> COMPONENTS="main restricted universe multiverse"
[09:46] <kazade> popey, thanks, running pbuilder create again
[09:46] <kazade> did I mention that packaging sucks?
[09:47] <popey> :)
[09:47] <kazade> ironically, I can write a Windows installer on Ubuntu far FAR FAR quicker than create a native Ubuntu package
[09:47] <popey> experience++
[09:51] <kazade> popey, true, but Ubuntu really needs better (read "easier") packaging tools
[09:52] <MooDoo> czajkowski: i'm working the weekend
[09:53] <AlanBell> kazade: it is easy if you use quickly
[09:54] <kazade> AlanBell, I might take a look at that actually
[09:54] <kazade> been meaning too for ages
[09:54] <kazade> btw, where does pbuilder output the package?
[10:04] <kazade> ah, forgot to sign the package :/
[10:12] <popey> http://ismycreditcardstolen.com/
[10:19] <kazade> popey, surely that's a con?
[10:19] <popey> view source
[10:20] <kazade> heh, cool, apparently I'm not a stupid person :p
[10:55] <dwatkins> nice
[11:09] <nperry> Is there a legal way to download an XP Pro CD for a co-worker?
[11:11] <dwatkins> nperry: MSDN has ways, I believe, but you probably have to pay for a subscription.
[11:11] <nperry> Baahhh, I'm only being paid £30 to reinstall windows :/
[11:12] <dwatkins> nperry: then add the cost of the OEM installation media?
[11:12] <dwatkins> Should be able to get it for less than 60 quid
[11:13] <dwatkins> http://www.codemicro.com/store/product/BP/x0848123/Refurbished is the cheapest I can see from a quick search
[11:14] <dwatkins> If you know a Microsoft employee, they can get itr 15 pounds.
[11:14] <dwatkins> *for
[11:19] <AlanBell> need to schedule the next team meeting folks
[11:19] <AlanBell> Monday good for people?
[11:21] <Yorvyk> Maybe
[11:22] <danfish> AlanBell: yup
[11:23] <nperry> dwatkins: I've got the product key, not to sure if that helps
[11:23] <dwatkins> nperry: on a sticker?
[11:24] <AlanBell> 8PM or 9PM?
[11:25] <mattt> wuzzzzzup
[11:26] <mattt> AlanBell: Monday is not good for me ... but then again, I've missed a slew of those recently :(
[11:26] <danfish> 9pm would be good :)
[11:26] <Yorvyk> 21:00 OK
[11:28] <nperry> dwatkins: yeah
[11:28] <dwatkins> nperry: right, so essentially the CD is lost, and you could get a 'backup' from somewhere, I guess. Not exactly legit, but I don't think MS sell replacement media.
[11:29] <dwatkins> I'd be asking around my friends to borrow the physical media (assuming the key will work with it, that is)
[11:29] <nperry> I'm not to sure if its legal to torrent then use the product key :/
[11:30] <dwatkins> nperry: I imagine their licensing system wouldn't know the difference.
[11:30] <dwatkins> Ultimately, you have a sticker, which constitutes the licenes.
[11:30]  * AlanBell notes the location of ##windows
[11:30] <nperry> Yeah AlanBell there all douches :/
[11:30] <dwatkins> AlanBell: indeed, but have you ever tried joining the channel? ;)
[11:30] <dwatkins> as nperry says
[11:30] <AlanBell> really?
[11:31] <AlanBell> I joined ages and ages ago for a bit, didn't seem that bad
[11:31] <nperry> The trolls must have been in bed.
[11:31] <AlanBell> not as friendly as the ubuntu channels, but not extreme
[11:34] <nperry> How good are the memory tests in HP's bios..
[11:35] <nperry> Says there is no issues, but this doesn't allow booting from USB
[11:35] <nperry> So can't run memtest :<
[11:35] <AlanBell> what will it boot from?
[11:36] <danfish> win! my dad's just texted me to say he's bringing round his laptop - "can I install that nobuntu-thingy on it because all windows gives me is errors and your Mum's laptop runs fine" (her laptop is on 10.04 btw)
[11:38] <nperry> CD AlanBell but don't have any spare cds at work to burn it onto
[11:38] <kvarley> danfish =) dadbuntu
[11:40] <AlanBell> danfish Yorvyk how about 20:30?
[11:41] <danfish> AlanBell: fine by me
[11:42] <danfish> kvarley: good idea - the key function I'll need to build in is asking the same question again and again, and a werther's original theme ;)
[11:46] <kvarley> danfish hehe
[11:52] <kazade> grr, I don't get this. lintian is complaining about .bzr directories - yet I'm passing the -i parameter to dpkg-buildpackage it's just not ignoring them as it should :(
[11:52] <kazade> is there an irc channel for packaging issues?
[11:52] <Yorvyk> AlanBell: OK
[12:01] <KrimZon> is there any way to get gparted to abort its sequence of operations between operations?
[12:02] <KrimZon> i didn't realize it would copy all my fiddling around adjusting to different sizes
[12:03] <danfish> KrimZon: probably not a good idea to interupt gparted
[12:03] <danfish> pain may follow
[12:04] <kvarley> struggling here - found a game called Red Orchestra, it's a mod for unreal tournament 2004 so does that mean I can play it on linux? The have released Red Orchestra 2 Heroes of Stalingrad, is that still based on unreal tournament?
[12:05] <KrimZon> oh well, doesn't look like it'll take unbearably long
[12:07] <KrimZon> looks like it would've been quicker to delete the data partitions and resize the OS partition, then copy the data back
[12:08] <KrimZon> except, even though the data is recoverable it's not an exact backup of what's on disk at the moment, so it'd cause a lot of fiddling about to restore it if i stop gparted
[12:12] <KrimZon> and it'll be interesting to see what happens to the ntfs junctions
[12:14] <kazade> can someone post me the output of: apt-file search shared_ptr.hpp ?
[12:14] <popey> 11:29:38 < nperry> I'm not to sure if its legal to torrent then use the product key :/
[12:14] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[12:14] <kazade> my apt-file seems borked
[12:14] <popey> nperry: I suspect you know exactly how legal that is
[12:15]  * popey points kazade at packages.ubuntu.com
[12:15] <popey> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=shared_ptr.hpp&mode=exactfilename&suite=maverick&arch=any
[12:15] <popey> libboost1.40-dev, libboost1.42-dev
[12:16] <kazade> popey, thanks, didn't know about that
[12:17] <kazade> doh, I'd used "sudo apt-file update" but then non-sudo apt-file search...
[12:17] <kazade> there was no user-level apt-file cache
[12:37] <AlanBell> popey: 9PM monday good for you?
[12:56] <popey> AlanBell: yes
[13:23] <Azelphur> you know your computers getting a little insane when you overload an 850W PSU >.<
[13:23] <Azelphur> at least, I think that's whats going on.
[13:39] <jacobw> Wow, I've never seen a quit message from an Emacs IRC client before
[13:43] <AlanBell> Daviey: do we have a stash of CDs and a funky new banner and box of goodies?
[13:45]  * brobostigon sighs, pastedpages worth of mailing list, for only two lines of actual text.
[13:50] <jenkins> my laptop graphics card is nearly failed am i right in thinking if I can get ssh installed i can run it headless?
[13:57] <daubers> Afternoon
[13:57] <marxjohnson> that it is
[13:58] <daubers> jenkins: Yes
[13:58] <ocean_> hi guys can any one suggest me a channel to discuss about hybrid graphics card use in linux
[13:58] <daubers> !openssh-server | jenkins
[13:58] <jenkins> cool thanks,
[13:58] <daubers> !info openssh-server | jenkins
[13:59] <jenkins> I just hope i can get it installed before it fails completly
[13:59] <jacobw> I know there was a discussion about updating couchdb in Lucid to support U1 contact sync, where the updated packages pushed? if not can I manually update a 10.04 instalation to use these packages?
[13:59] <jacobw> s/where/were
[14:32] <kvarley> I haven't got any sound in team combat elite or enemy territory in ubuntu 10.10 64-bit. Does ubuntu have oss support?
[14:35] <pr0ph3t> hi all
[14:39] <jacobw> A giant rain cloud an enveloped my house :|
[14:39] <jacobw> s/an/has
[14:40] <jacobw> I think I need an electric shock everytime I make a typo :(
[15:02] <jonsaint> hello all
[15:03] <jonsaint> does anyone know if you can install ubuntu on a netbook running ce v6
[15:03] <brobostigon> jonsaint: can you tell us the model of  said netbook, please.
[15:04] <jonsaint> its a arnova 10. its my daughters but ce is a total waste of time, she knows how to use ubuntu....we all do. we aint great fans of mucrosoft products!
[15:06] <brobostigon> it looks like it is an arm device, debian has a very developed version for arm, so in theory it is possible, how,no idea.
[15:07] <penguin42> jonsaint: It looks like it's pretty low on RAM
[15:07] <penguin42> http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2653&c=archos_arnova_10
[15:08] <Pendulum> yeah, even UNE needs more RAM than it looks like that has
[15:08] <jonsaint> yeah. it aint got nothing special in there
[15:09] <penguin42> jonsaint: I think it's pretty unlikely without a bit of kernel level hacking to get it to go first
[15:09] <Pendulum> jonsaint: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements#Ubuntu%20Netbook%20Edition has the current system requirements for the regular Ubuntu flavours
[15:09] <brobostigon> debian could run inside that ram, but it would have to be quite minimalist.
[15:10] <jonsaint> drat. i hate this software. so its too low spec for ubuntu?
[15:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ubuntu NB has been built for ARM machines, but it tends to be quite model specific... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/releases/10.10/release/
[15:12] <jonsaint> i dont think it would work.... oh well. :-(
[15:12] <Pendulum> they also still seem to want at least 256MB of RAM
[15:12] <jonsaint> not sure what this has got
[15:12] <penguin42> jonsaint: You cna get ARM Linux running in 128MB of RAM easily enough with a cut down ubuntu setup - but you'll need a kernel/X that understands that hardware - and I'm not sure if that exists; I suspect it's buildable but will take some figuring out
[15:14] <jonsaint> yeah its only got 128 ram. my calculators probably got more memory than this thing
[15:16] <jonsaint> anyway folks many thanks for tying. hope you all have a nice saturday
[15:18] <jenkins> I am trying to ssh into my laptop and I can't work out why its not working I am getting http://paste.ubuntu.com/551808/ any suggestions?
[15:19] <penguin42> jenkins: It's getting upset by the -l
[15:19] <penguin42> jenkins: I think it's trying to login to ip 2222 using username p
[15:20] <jenkins> are ok, how do i use adifferent user name on the server then?
[15:20] <penguin42> you already are doing with the usernameΩaddress
[15:20] <penguin42> oops,
[15:20] <penguin42> username@address
[15:21] <jenkins> k thanks I am trying now and I haev a different error
[15:21] <penguin42> you can do ssh -l username hostname     or    ssh username@hostname
[15:21] <jenkins> i see :)
[15:22] <jenkins> its a problem with the keys the public one is on the clinet and the private on the server right?
[15:22] <penguin42> yeh
[15:22] <jenkins> hmm I wonder what I haev wrong
[15:23] <penguin42> so what do you get now?
[15:24] <jenkins>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/551811/
[15:27] <penguin42> That looks to me like the authorised keys on the destination doesn't have your public key properly
[15:28] <jenkins> I will just check where it is
[15:28] <mgdm> check ther permissions on .ssh and .ssh/authorized_keys too
[15:28] <mgdm> .ssh should be 700, authorized_keys should be 600
[15:30] <jenkins> ok I will check that, it will take a moment as I only have one external screen and one keyboard/mouse
[15:31] <mgdm> there's a handy wee utility called 'ssh-copy-id' that does al taht for you, provided you can get in with a PW
[15:31] <ocean_> hi can any one help me through setting up hybrid graphic card switch on ubuntu 10.10 please
[15:33] <jenkins> hmm permissons are fine. I may have to try allowing passwords to copy it across
[15:33] <kaushal> Hi
[15:34] <ocean_> kaushal, hi
[15:34] <kaushal> ocean_: hi
[15:34] <kaushal> Please suggest me about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2011-January/238179.html
[15:35] <czajkowski> kaushal: you might find reporting bugs better answered if you report them via lauchpad rather than a ML sorry
[15:36] <kaushal> ok
[15:36] <czajkowski> it's the best way to report a bug tbh
[15:36] <kaushal> czajkowski: so as a temporary measure ?
[15:37] <kaushal> Do i need to reinstall the OS ?
[15:37] <czajkowski> kaushal: I'm sorry I don't know
[15:37] <kaushal> I feel 10.10 is filled with bugs
[15:37] <kaushal> I have upgraded the OS and it gives error
[15:38] <popey> seems like some odd config there kaushal
[15:38] <kaushal> popey: ok
[15:39] <popey> you also dont say how it failed
[15:39] <popey> just [failed]
[15:40] <czajkowski> popey: oi oi ;)
[15:40] <kaushal> popey: so as a remedy do i need to run fsck >
[15:40] <popey> o/
[15:40] <kaushal> ?*
[15:40] <popey> I don't yet know what the issue is
[15:40] <kaushal> I mean unmount /dev/sda5
[15:43] <popey> i dont know what happens when you go into recovery mode so dont yet know what the issue is
[15:43] <ocean_> hi guys i am using ubuntu 10.10 64 bit.the machine has ATI monility radeon TM HD 5470 graphics switchable with intel HD GMA. on linux after a bit of googling in installed switcheroo and UCC . when i choose low graphics it shows intel chip is active. when i choose high perfomance under UCC>network info>display i cant see ATI card. instaed it says mesa project, software rasterizer. moreover my compiz doesnt work when i choose high perfomance graphics. is t
[15:43] <ocean_> here anyway to get around this and make my ATI work.thanks
[15:44] <ocean_> I would appreciate any help guiding in the right direction even if its not a proper fix
[15:44] <ocean_> tx
[15:49] <kvarley> I must be missing something here, I can
[15:49] <kvarley> *can't find how to locate the svn of a project on sourceforge
[15:50] <kvarley> http://sourceforge.net/projects/openmohaa/
[15:50] <popey> svn co https://openmohaa.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/openmohaa openmohaa
[15:50] <kvarley> popey: How did you find that?
[15:50] <popey> google + svn + openmohaa
[15:51] <kvarley> Ah ok, sorry
[15:51] <mgdm> kvarley: it's under the 'develop' tab on SF
[15:51] <kvarley> Oh yeah my bad, thanks popey and mgdm
[15:54] <ocean_> popey, any help regarding the above problem :-)
[15:54] <popey> ocean_: sorry, I dont have or plan to have any ATI hardware
[15:54] <ocean_> popey, tx,
[15:55] <MartijnVdS> <-- Achievement unlocked: Master Ikea "Billy" builder
[15:57] <jenkins> ocean_: if you feel competent to have you tried removing the intel card and starting you computer? It may then use the ati card this would to prove it works with compiz.
[15:57] <popey> ooo, we have Billy
[15:57] <jenkins> billy? popey
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> jenkins: Ikea :)
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> popey: I have Billy and Expedit now :)
[15:58]  * jenkins does not get it
[15:58] <popey> its a product name
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> jenkins: http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/83688210
[15:58] <jenkins> I see now i get it
[15:58] <popey> mine is beech veneer
[15:59] <popey> i had to use pythagoras to figure out if it would fit in the room
[15:59] <ocean_> jenkins, i need some help to do it if u don mind.
[15:59] <MartijnVdS> popey: I have 2 in Beech veneer (1x 80cm, 1x 40cm wide), drilled some extra holes for more shelves = more CDs :)
[15:59] <popey> :)
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> popey: and one in "black-brown"
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> but that's in another room
[16:00] <jenkins> ocean_: I am not really able to tell you how to remove it over irc, its not to easy to explain. Is the intel card part of the motherboard?
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> jenkins: intel cards are always on-board
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> jenkins: sometimes even part of the CPU
[16:01] <jenkins> darn , sorry I did not know that
[16:02] <jenkins> ok the only solution I can think off is to remove intel graphics driver packages and hope it uses the ait card on boot. if not you will need to be able to reinstall the packages using a live cd which is not easy. Does this logic make sense anyone?
[16:03] <kvarley> Trying to make openmohaa and it fails, any suggestions as to what I need to do? http://paste.ubuntu.com/551830/
[16:03] <popey> kvarley: you ran configure?
[16:03] <popey> also, why are you compiling it?
[16:03] <popey> surely its packaged?
[16:04] <czajkowski> any dr. who Daleks fans? Argos are selling off mini ones for 5 quid in Aldershot
[16:04] <kvarley> popey: Doesn't seem to be for linux
[16:05] <kaushal> popey: It happened after the usual update manager process and asked for reboot
[16:05] <kaushal> and then never booted
[16:05] <kaushal> and that message
[16:05] <popey> kaushal: what happens when you go into recovery mode?
[16:05] <kaushal> never tried
[16:05] <kaushal> anything to be done ?
[16:06] <popey> uh
[16:06] <popey> thats not what your email says
[16:06] <popey> "Steps I tried:
[16:06] <popey> 1. Tried the recovery mode from grub. [failed]
[16:06] <popey> "
[16:06] <kaushal> ah sorry
[16:06] <kaushal> yes
[16:06] <kvarley> popey: There is no configure, in the readme it just says make.
[16:07] <kaushal> popey: Do you need more information ?
[16:07] <kaushal> is there a recent bug reported on Launchpad ?
[16:07] <popey> 16:05:39 < popey> kaushal: what happens when you go into recovery mode?
[16:08] <kaushal> it fails
[16:08] <popey> that is not an answer
[16:08] <popey> what happens
[16:08] <popey> kvarley: trying it here
[16:09] <kaushal> popey: please give me a moment
[16:09] <kaushal> Thanks popey
[16:11] <popey> kvarley: do you have the original MOHAA pak files?
[16:11] <kvarley> popey: Yes but the readme gives the impression you dont need them until after you've made it
[16:12] <popey> sure
[16:12] <popey> kvarley: there's not a lot of stuff online about this on linux, which makes me think it's not been properly ported to linux
[16:13] <kvarley> popey: I have looked at forums and sourceforge dates and it seems like it's dead
[16:13] <popey> kvarley: http://icculus.org/~ravage/mohaa/
[16:13] <popey> ?
[16:13] <kvarley> popey: That's not the open one
[16:13] <popey> ah
[16:13] <kvarley> popey: I was just interested in the open one but am not bothered if it's not working as the project seems to have dried up
[16:14] <kvarley> popey: Thanks for looking :)
[16:14] <popey> yeah, it barfs in the same way here
[16:16] <kvarley> popey: Too bad, I'll stick to trying to fix audio on tc-elite lol
[16:16] <popey> sorry, I dont know how to fix that
[16:16] <kvarley> popey: On a side note, whens the next uupc ?
[16:17] <popey> dunno
[16:17] <kvarley> hehe
[16:17] <popey> unlikely to be before mid feb
[16:22] <jenkins> I have made it work thanks mgdm and penguin42, part of the problem was that I had typed an extra s on the user name that was allowed to ssh into the machine
[16:27] <mgdm> jenkins: ah, that'd do it! good that you got it sorted
[16:27] <jenkins> yea I also re did the keys using password authentication
[16:30] <Pendulum> mgdm: how are you?!
[16:30] <mgdm> Pendulum: I'm fine ta, you?
[16:31] <Pendulum> good :)
[16:31] <Pendulum> have not seen you around for ages :(
[16:32] <mgdm> I've been rather busy
[16:32] <Pendulum> I can tell
[16:32] <Pendulum> I hope all is well :)
[16:32] <mgdm> aye, things are fine :) sitting in among boxes just now - moving flat
[16:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/216101/ubuntu_adds_sparkle_to_nufront_laptops_at_ces.html
[16:47] <brobostigon> what is a good place to start,for independent, non-biased uk market research surrounding linux ?
[16:48] <ocean_> hi guys i am using ubuntu 10.10 64 bit.the machine has ATI monility radeon TM HD 5470 graphics switchable with intel HD GMA. on linux after a bit of googling in installed switcheroo and UCC . when i choose low graphics it shows intel chip is active. when i choose high perfomance under UCC>network info>display i cant see ATI card. instaed it says mesa project, software rasterizer. moreover my compiz doesnt work when i choose high perfomance graphics. is t
[16:48] <ocean_>  here anyway to get around this and make my ATI work.thanks
[16:48] <ocean_>  I would appreciate any help guiding in the right direction even if its not a proper fix
[16:48] <ocean_>  tx
[16:52] <brobostigon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_adoption is the closest to useful i have found upto now.
[16:54] <penguin42> ocean_: Have you got the ATI closed drives installed or the free ones?
[17:10] <ocean_> penguin42, i tried to install FGLRX. on reboot there was no GUI. so i reinstalled ubuntu and i havent installed anything in particular
[17:11] <penguin42> ocean_: How did you install frglx - with the ubuntu jockey/hardware drivers gui or from ati's site?
[17:11] <brobostigon> fglrx*
[17:11] <penguin42> erm indeed
[17:11] <ocean_> penguin42, installed from system>admin>additional drivers
[17:12] <penguin42> hmm that should work
[17:12] <penguin42> ocean_: In your BIOS can you force it into one or other of the intel or ati modes?
[17:12] <ocean_> penguin42, there is no option in BIOS i have cheked it
[17:13] <ocean_> with the help of switcheroo i can see that the switch possible
[17:13] <penguin42> ocean_: Hmm that sucks; the laptop I use has options to do the autoswitching them, or to fix at either the intel or AMD
[17:14] <penguin42> ocean_: Hmm ok, I've not tried switcheroo - with switcheroo and if you switch into the ATI mode what does X do?
[17:14] <ocean_> penguin42, for the time being i don mind fixing it to ATI. its so disappointing and my  machine is getting overheated as well
[17:16] <ocean_> penguin42, there is an option in UCC called VGA switching. u can either select low perfomance or high perfomance. when i switch to high perfomance the ATI card disappears from system info. and no compiz as well
[17:17] <penguin42> ocean_: does it show up in lspci?
[17:17] <ocean_> sorry when i switch to low perfomance intel chip is dispalyed
[17:17] <ocean_> at high perfomance ATI  is not shown
[17:17] <penguin42> odd
[17:18] <ocean_> penguin42, is it because ATI hasnt got any drivers?
[17:19] <penguin42> ocean_: It should show up in an lspci without drivers
[17:19] <penguin42> ocean_: If it doesn't show up in lspci I doubt there is much chance
[17:19] <ocean_> penguin42, it is showing up on lspci http://paste-bin.com/view/5572ef1c
[17:20] <penguin42> ocean_: OK, so what happens if you try and start X?  What's in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[17:23] <ocean_> penguin42, http://paste-bin.com/view/18abcd8d
[17:25] <penguin42> ocean_: OK, so that's detected the intel card and blown up because it's not really there
[17:26] <ocean_> penguin42, what does that mean? so there is no ATI card in there!!!
[17:26] <penguin42> ocean_: Well if your lspci is to be believed it is there, so what I'd try is to write an /etc/X11/xorg.conf that explicitly uses the ATI card
[17:26] <niall> Hey, I have some kernel parameters to pass via Grub at boot time. How would I do this on a persistent basis?
[17:26] <penguin42> ocean_: What I'm surprised at is that doing the switcheroo the intel card is still lsited
[17:27] <penguin42> ocean_: So I don't know why X is finding the intel card given your lspci
[17:28] <penguin42> ocean_: My guess (without having one to try it on) is that you boot with the Intel, do the magic to switch on the ATI but something (hal? udev?) hasn't noticed
[17:28] <ocean_> penguin42, does it mean that ATI card is there but not used by switcheroo?
[17:29] <penguin42> ocean_: I think the fact it shows up in lcpsi means switcheroo is doing it's job, but I don't know the details of switcheroo
[17:30] <ocean_> penguin42, is there anyway to use ATI from the boot up not bothering about the switch so that i can use ubuntu?
[17:30] <penguin42> ocean_: Well that's why I asked about the BIOS; when you are running the switch program are you doing that from within Intel X or from the command line?
[17:31] <ocean_> penguin42, sorry i don understand what X is. i just use the GUI to make that switch
[17:32] <penguin42> ocean_: OK, to get any further I suspect you'll need to understand a lot more about the underneath of the GUI
[17:32] <penguin42> ocean_: But I've not tried the switch stuff to know enough about how switching works - but I'm retty familiar with how normal stuff works
[17:33] <ocean_> penguin42, if there is no switcheroo how would u fix this problem? i was not able to ATI right from the install. fglrx broke the GUI as well
[17:34] <penguin42> ocean_: I'd stick with the intel, or I'd hand wirte an xorg.conf file
[17:35] <ocean_> penguin42, what would the file do?
[17:35] <ocean_> can i still do it?
[17:35] <penguin42> ocean_: At the moment the GUI is finding the hardware for itself - and not doing very well; but you can say to it 'use this driver with this PCI device and configure it like this'
[17:38] <ocean_> penguin42, is there any helpful link for it. I would try it and see how it goes
[17:39] <penguin42> ocean_: Well here is the manual http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/man5/xorg.conf.5.html  but it's a bit hard reading, I'm sure there are some articles that are easier for starters
[17:48] <pr0ph3t> how do I add a device in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules?
[17:48] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: that happens automatically
[17:48] <MartijnVdS> why do you want to do it?
[17:49] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, not with my 3g modem unfortunately
[17:49] <pr0ph3t> how do I get the ATTR{address}?
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: is it a different device each time?
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: like eth0, eth1, eth2, eth3, etc.
[17:50] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, it is built-in so it is always the same
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: that's what 70-persistent-net.rules does.. it makes sure that every device (with a specific hardware address (mac address)) gets the same name (eth0, eth1, etc.) to the system
[17:51] <MartijnVdS> after restarting
[17:51] <MartijnVdS> so if the name is already the same every time, you don't need to change it
[17:52] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, I don't know if it is, it just has NO CARRIER on AT commands response
[17:52] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, I'm trying to find what the problem could be
[17:52] <MartijnVdS> it's not this :)
[17:53] <MartijnVdS> persistent-net.rules is just there to give devices consistent names across system restarts.
[17:53] <MartijnVdS> I got "no carrier" a lot today on my 3G modem
[17:53] <MartijnVdS> it was caused by setting "Prefer 3G over GPRS" in the connection settings
[17:54] <pr0ph3t> Martkdoes it matter if on lsusb the device is recognised as E620
[17:54] <pr0ph3t> sorry pressed enter by mistake
[17:54] <MartijnVdS> Huawei E620 should work fine
[17:54] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, does it matter if on lsusb the device is recognised as E620 and AT command gives me EM770 instead?
[17:54] <pr0ph3t> but is it?
[17:55] <MartijnVdS> no, it should not matter.
[17:55] <MartijnVdS> As long as commands like "AT+COPS=?" work (that ones takes up to a minute to return, it searches for available 3G/GSM networks)
[17:55] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, well it doesn't
[17:56] <pr0ph3t> because I have no carrier signal
[17:56] <pr0ph3t> so it can't return anything
[17:56] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: how have you tried?
[17:56] <pr0ph3t> with two terminals
[17:56] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: because modem-manager tends to take the modem device for itself.
[17:56] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: "two terminals", which program did you use?
[17:57] <MartijnVdS> What happened to modem-manager?
[17:57] <MartijnVdS> What does /var/log/daemon.log say when you ask network-manager to connect?
[17:57] <pr0ph3t> I used tr -s "\n" < /dev/ttyUSB0 on one terminal
[17:58] <pr0ph3t> and passed the AT commands with echo -e on another terminal
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> try "screen /dev/ttyUSB0" next time (exit with Ctrl+A k y)
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: and "ATE" (enable local echo) :)
[17:58] <pr0ph3t> still same results
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> (you'll have to type the command blind, but after that you should see what you're typing)
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: Which command did you send to the modem? What did it give back? Can you pastebin it?
[17:59] <MartijnVdS> (remember: I can't see your screen, so I have to guess!)
[18:01] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, AT+COPS? returns just 0
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: and AT+COPS=?
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> with the "="
[18:02] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, error
[18:02] <pr0ph3t> tried it a lot
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> so it's not connected to a network, and scanning for networks = error
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> Did you turn off the radio in some way?
[18:03] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, I never turned them on is what I think
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: did you enter the PIN for the SIM?
[18:03] <pr0ph3t> how would I do that is what I am trying to find out
[18:03] <pr0ph3t> no need for pin
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> ah, good
[18:04] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, +CSQ gives 99,99
[18:04] <pr0ph3t> so again no carrier
[18:04] <pr0ph3t> no signal
[18:06] <MartijnVdS> What does "AT+CFUN?" say?
[18:07] <pr0ph3t> NO CARRIER
[18:07] <MartijnVdS> hm
[18:07] <pr0ph3t> radio is off
[18:07] <pr0ph3t> it must be
[18:07] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: AT+CFUN queries radio status...
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: AT+CFUN? queries, AT+CFUN=? lists supported modes, AT+CFUN=1,0 enables without reset, AT+CFUN=1,1 enables and resets device
[18:09] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, I just get the same message with all of those
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: that's the radio on/off radio functionality
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: NO CARRIER?
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> or something specific
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> ?
[18:10] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, yes
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: is modem-manager running?
[18:10] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, but haewei doesn't give out the at commands
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: that doesn't matter. these are in a GSM spec that's freely available and shuold be supported by most GSM/3G modems :)
[18:11] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, you mean NetworkManager?
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> ps xa
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> uhr
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> ps ax | grep modem-manager
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> that should list a modem-manager process
[18:11] <MartijnVdS> it's sort-of part of network-manager, but it's a separate proces
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: is the SIM of the same brand as the modem? The modem might be SIM-locked to some operator
[18:12] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, yes
[18:12] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, the sim works on windows on same hardware
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> OK, so that's not the problem
[18:13] <pr0ph3t> and the modem manager is running
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: can you pastebin /var/log/daemon.log when you try to connect through network-manager?
[18:13] <ocean_> penguin42, sorry i was away for some time. if i am reconfiguring it would it use the ATI all the time?
[18:13] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS,  not syslog?
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: /var/log/daemon.log contains all modem-manager and network-manager details
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: at least, it does here
[18:18] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, it's just unknown error 32
[18:18] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, and same output in syslog
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: I'm sorry, I've run out of ideas
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: you could try looking around on launchpad for bugs related to your device, or on the forums..
[18:19] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, I think the AT commands have been modified?
[18:19] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, there is a bug
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: no, that's impossible. AT commands are AT commands.
[18:20] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, and it has been patched apparently
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: subscribe to it, supply the people who reply with answers to their questions :)
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> I have no idea
[18:20] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, it has been patched and merged to the mainline, I run 2.6.37 kernel
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> ah! critical information :)
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> What happens when you use the default Ubuntu kernel?
[18:22] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, http://dev.iksaif.net/issues/108, exactly the same
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> that's not a launchpad bug
[18:22] <pr0ph3t> that's the bugfix address
[18:22] <pr0ph3t> for a acpi4asus bug
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> if it's not in Launchpad, Ubuntu people don't know about it. You can link bugs to upstream trackers.
[18:23] <pr0ph3t> if you read the last comment it says
[18:23] <pr0ph3t> at the bottom, the anon is me
[18:24] <pr0ph3t> I don't understand entirely what is going on but it seems the rf switches for the 3g modem radio kill were not implemented in the original asus-laptop driver
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> Sounds like what happened on my Sony
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> But there the device just didn't show up until they fixed the sony-laptop driver
[18:25] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, but now they fixed the problem, but on the patch comment it say they did not add the rf switches for wwan and wimax because they might just be for the led and not the hardware it self
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: can you try if it works from the latest alpha live CD?
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: (you don't need to install it, just try if 3G works)
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: the alphas have a .37 kernel
[18:26] <pr0ph3t> as I said I am running 2.6.37 kernel
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> and the entire "support structure" needed to make them work properly
[18:26] <pr0ph3t> the one that came out on the 5th o jan
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> which 10.10 doesn't have.
[18:26] <pr0ph3t> I also tried natty
[18:27] <MartijnVdS> latest "current"? an alpha? which one?
[18:27] <pr0ph3t> current
[18:27] <MartijnVdS> did it work?
[18:27] <pr0ph3t> after rc8
[18:27] <pr0ph3t> is what I am running now but in maverick
[18:27] <MartijnVdS> did you try the natty-current live cd, or did you just install the kernel from natty in maverick?
[18:27] <pr0ph3t> natty I tried it but it didn't work
[18:28] <pr0ph3t> I did both
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> Then please file a bug on launchpad, mentioning that asus4acpi bug. People might be able to fix it before natty release then.
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> if it's not on launchpad, Ubuntu people don't know about it, and the chances of getting the fix into the next ubuntu version are near zero
[18:28] <pr0ph3t> by reading what it says there on that link Dan Haworth managed to get it to work using that patch
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: please read what I'm telling you...
[18:29] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, but it has been merged into mainline, does that not mean it is in the ubuntu kernel as well?
[18:30] <jacobw> depends on release schedules etc
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: usually it does, but sometimes it takes a while for Ubuntu to pick up releases
[18:31] <pr0ph3t> but let's say it was merged in 2.6.37-rc6
[18:31] <pr0ph3t> mainline that is, now I am running the final 2.6.37
[18:31] <pr0ph3t> ubuntu kernel
[18:31] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: Just file the bug. The kernel people will check for you.
[18:31] <dwatkins> AlanBell: I've fallen into your trap, and find myself helping people on ##windows ;)
[18:31] <pr0ph3t> that should have the updated driver?
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: it's not just the driver. it's updated udev and some other "user-space" bits that might also be breaking it
[18:32]  * brobostigon feels worried about dwatkins
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: INTERVENTION
[18:32] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: heh
[18:33]  * AlanBell is now full of guilt
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: "first one's free"
[18:34] <pr0ph3t> help :(
[18:35] <AlanBell> with what pr0ph3t?
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: ubuntu-bug linux
[18:35] <pr0ph3t> this 3g modem
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: no the 3G modem is fine. it's the ASUS laptop driver that doesn't enable it correctly.
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: don't make AlanBell go through the same steps I've already done please :)
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: just use that ubuntu-bug command to file a bug on the kernel (preferrably from the live-cd environment with current natty)
[18:37] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, there is a guy that has it working, he just patched the kernel and it worked for him
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> Are you afraid of filing the bug?
[18:37] <pr0ph3t> I am afraid it is just a bug in my head, something I did wrong
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: I'm telling you it's not. And if it is, people will close the bug again, no harm done.
[18:38]  * AlanBell reads back then advises pr0ph3t to file a bug on launchpad and link the other one to it
[18:38] <pr0ph3t> like just press "c" numbnuts and it will work or something
[18:38] <AlanBell> you get karma for filing bugs
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: does karma buy discounts in the canonical store? ;)
[18:39] <pr0ph3t> you don't need discounts, it's all free
[18:39] <DJones> pr0ph3t: File a bug, at the worst you'll get asked for more information
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: File 500 bugs, get £5 off on DB2
[18:39] <AlanBell> file 7299 bugs and get one of these http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=776
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: ooh, sexy
[18:40] <DJones> AlanBell: Without clicking the link, is that Borat's cyling outfit?
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> it is
[18:41] <brobostigon> lol
[18:45] <pr0ph3t> h
[18:46] <pr0ph3t> the fact that uname -r gives 2.6.37 does it necessarily mean that that is the kernel I am running?
[18:46] <penguin42> yes
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> but it doesn't mean that a .37 kernel will work 100% OK with maverick
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> because some programs that communicate with the kernel might be "too old"
[18:50] <DJones> pr0ph3t: As far as I can see, Maverick use the 2.36.35 kernel
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> DJones: he's installed a .37 from natty on maverick
[18:52] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Yes, I guessing that, was just pointing it out, pr0ph3t is possibly better asking in #ubuntu+1 that may be able to help, although its unlikely as its an unsupported version
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> DJones: read the log for the last hour :)
[18:54] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, gosh it took that long, thanks for the help by the way MartijnVdS
[18:54] <pr0ph3t> and yes I am filing a bug
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[18:55] <pr0ph3t> is that a typo?
[18:56] <pr0ph3t> brb
[19:11] <ocean_>  hi guys i am using ubuntu 10.10 64 bit.the machine has ATI monility radeon TM HD 5470 graphics switchable with intel HD GMA. on linux after a bit of googling in installed switcheroo and UCC . when i choose low graphics it shows intel chip is active. when i choose high perfomance under UCC>network info>display i cant see ATI card. instaed it says mesa project, software rasterizer. moreover my compiz doesnt work when i choose high perfomance graphics.
[19:13] <jacobw> New series of Hustle \o/
[19:15] <brobostigon> get_iplayer to the rescue. :)
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> get_iplayer \o/
[19:16] <jacobw> Hmm, I remember last time I tried using get_iplayer than Flash video was a PITA to transcode
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> ocean_: Ubuntu doesn't support on-the-fly graphics chip switching
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> ocean_: it's a wonder that it works as well as it does.
[19:21] <ocean_> MartijnVdS, can i use ati alone by some how/
[19:27] <jacobw> Speaking of which, is it possible to switch between battery and AC power in software on Linux?
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: there's hardware that supports that?!
[19:28]  * MartijnVdS doesn't know if it
[19:31] <jacobw> Laptop hardware must support that because it switches from AC to battery and back again when it detects a power input
[19:33] <AlanBell> jacobw: it doesn't really expose that to the software though
[19:34] <AlanBell> or when plugged in to mains allow the user to decide to use battery
[19:35] <jacobw> AlanBell: I feared as much :(
[19:35] <AlanBell> why would you want it?
[19:40] <jacobw> AlanBell: I wanted to write a script to switch the laptop to battery power when the battery was full to charge cycle the battery in laptops left on AC all the time
[19:42] <jacobw> AlanBell: And also to copy the AC power management profile to battery profile during run downs to keep it fairly unintrusive
[19:52] <ali1234> why would you want to cycle a lithium battery?
[19:54] <jacobw> ali1234: As far as I understand it, cycling batteries is the only way to stop them degrading?
[19:54] <dwatkins> jacobw: why not just rely on the hardware for that sort of thing? It should detect when the battery is full and stop cherging it at that point.
[19:54] <dwatkins> If you really want to stop your battery degrading, remove it when you boot up your laptop when connected to the power, jacobw ;)
[19:55] <ali1234> no, cycling batteries wears them out faster
[19:56] <ali1234> the reason that they tell you to cycle laptops batteries is the keep the battery gauge calibrated
[19:58] <brobostigon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery#Advantages    no memory affect, so no need for cycling.
[20:00] <ali1234> you can't stop a lithium battery from degrading anyway
[20:00] <ali1234> the best you can do is charge it 50% then put it in the fridge
[20:00] <brobostigon> agreed.
[20:00] <ali1234> even then it will have a shelf life of about 3 years
[20:05] <brobostigon> http://www.osnews.com/comments/24225 ouch,how sad apple is.
[20:06] <ali1234> the developer specifically asked for it to be removed in that case
[20:06] <ali1234> sorry, "a" developer, not "the" developer
[20:06] <ali1234> because there is no "the" developer of vlc
[20:07] <brobostigon> yes, but it is really sad nonetheless,
[20:07] <ali1234> why?
[20:08] <ali1234> like he said, i'm not sad for the apple users
[20:08] <brobostigon> ali1234: me neither,but i would haveliked them to have more.
[20:08]  * brobostigon goes awayand reads http://www.haiku-os.org/blog/zooey/2011-01-08_package_management_first_draft
[20:18] <brobostigon> interesting ideas,
[20:31] <pr0ph3t> hey all
[20:32] <pr0ph3t> I have to say I find the absence of a applications menu quite confusing
[20:32] <pr0ph3t> in natty narwhal
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: it's not done yet.
[20:32] <pr0ph3t> have you tried it?
[20:32] <ali1234> switch to "gnome classic" on the login screen
[20:32] <pr0ph3t> yes I know you can do that
[20:33] <jacobw> Also, doesn't clicking the Ubuntu logo in the top left corner bring up a panel of applications?
[20:33] <pr0ph3t> I usually have something like cairo dock with all the stuff I use the most
[20:33] <pr0ph3t> it brings a view with all the applications but in no particular order
[20:34] <pr0ph3t> that was for jacobw
[20:34] <dwatkins> I can't see this particular version of Ubuntu described without thinking of this: http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/Narwhals/
[20:35] <pr0ph3t> dwatkins, cool
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: http://www.reddit.com/r/narwhals/
[20:35] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: I did wonder if there was a link, thanks :)
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: bacon, narwhals :)
[20:36] <dwatkins> bacon, MartijnVdS?
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> http://www.reddit.com/r/bacon
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> Reddit = Narwhals + Bacon + alien
[20:36] <dwatkins> urrrm, now you've lost me
[20:37] <dwatkins> I'm reading up on the reasons for choosing NAtty Narwhal as a name for the latest Ubuntu version.
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> ah
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> I'm repeating the things a lot of people on reddit seem to like :)
[20:37] <pr0ph3t> the side could replace cairo and have all the applications you use the most, but there should always be a certain order in the applications folder
[20:37] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: "The Narwhal, as an Arctic (and somewhat endangered) animal, is a fitting reminder of the fact that we have only one spaceship that can host all of humanity"
[20:38] <Nafallo> waiwut?!
[20:38] <Nafallo> we have spaceships now?
[20:38] <dwatkins> Nafallo: The Earth is being described as a spaceship.
[20:38] <brobostigon> the earth, :)
[20:39] <Nafallo> meh
[20:39] <Nafallo> disappointing
[20:39]  * dwatkins directs Nafallo to the engine room
[20:39]  * Nafallo goes to hell, then.
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaceship_Earth_(Epcot)
[20:42] <pr0ph3t> can the side bar in natty be customised?
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> no
[20:42] <pr0ph3t> you can just add you applications
[20:42] <pr0ph3t> once you run them for the first time
[20:43] <pr0ph3t> maybe you should have 2 side bars
[20:43] <MartijnVdS> !designteam
[20:44] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: http://design.canonical.com/
[20:44] <Nafallo> ohbtw. applications you start with something like gnome-do, can't be marked permanent.
[20:45] <Nafallo> took me several weeks to figure that one out.
[20:45] <gord> they should be able to, file a bug?
[20:46] <Nafallo> gord: even for the 10.10 version then?
[20:46] <gord> erm no not for 10.10, confirm the bug exists in 11.04 first
[20:46] <Nafallo> heh, okay.
[20:47] <Nafallo> just waiting for alpha-2 I think.
[20:47] <Nafallo> mutter drives me inssane
[20:47]  * AlanBell tickles Daviey
[20:48] <gord> AlanBell, think he is travelling today
[20:50] <AlanBell> ok
[20:53]  * MartijnVdS re-organises a lot of cables
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> no more network cables crossing the room
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[20:53]  * Nafallo waits for MartijnVdS to ping out
[20:54] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: good thing I'm on wifi then ;)
[20:54] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, today you suggested I should use ATE instead of what I was using to test my 3g modem
[20:54] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: the wireless should connect to wire somewhere :-P
[20:54] <pr0ph3t> can you tell me again how it worked please?
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: ATE is the AT command to enable local echo of commands (so it shows letters as you type them, not only the output/return value)
[20:55] <AlanBell> pr0ph3t: http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/todays-chatter/
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: using screen: screen /dev/ttyUSB0 (you can exit with Ctrl+A, then "k", then "y")
[20:55] <AlanBell> if you want to review the logs for today
[20:55] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: ap is part of the dsl modem
[20:55] <pr0ph3t> thanks AlanBell, MartijnVdS
[20:56] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: eeew. you're not re-cabling that thne? :-P
[20:56] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: no, just the bit in my "computer geek room" :)
[20:57]  * brobostigon wnts one of those, :(
[20:57]  * Nafallo would prefer to have less technical stuff at home :-P
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: 3-bedroom appartment + alone :)
[20:58] <Nafallo> and a smaller home actually.
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: That's why I've concentrated my technical stuff in one room
[20:58] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i am jealous now, :(
[20:58] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: don't be. Being alone isn't always fun :)
[20:58] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: I could do that to! ...if I had a studio flat ;-)
[20:58] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i mean a dedicated geek room.
[20:59] <Nafallo> brobostigon: geeks are much more fun to store in pubs anyway.
[20:59] <brobostigon> Nafallo: agreed, with loads of real ale.:)
[21:00] <Nafallo> +1
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> ale \o
[21:00] <MartijnVdS> /
[21:00]  * brobostigon install a bar in this geekroom,
[21:01]  * brobostigon goes towatch QIXL.
[21:01] <MartijnVdS> good idea
[21:01] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: bbc2, now.
[21:01] <Nafallo> bah. I want a mini fridge in the data centre :-P
[21:01] <jacobw> QI is good this week
[21:01] <kieko> good morning
[21:01] <jacobw> Good evening :)
[21:01] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: *click* :)
[21:02] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: :)
[21:02] <brobostigon> no spolilers please.
[21:02] <kieko> can someone tell me how to get a sip number? for fring on htc desire hd
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> kieko: go to a SIP provider and get an account?
[21:03] <kieko> MartijnVdS: any?
[21:03] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, there is good news, that command you told me about, +CFUN returns something now
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> kieko: sip is just a protocol
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: good!
[21:04] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, so something has changed, the device is receiving a signal now
[21:04] <pr0ph3t> right?
[21:04] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: so +COPS=? returns something as well?
[21:06] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, still error, but it might be because of +CTFUN
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: set the radio on -> +CFUN=1,1
[21:07] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, that gives error
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: 1,0 then? or +CFUN=?
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> (that last one lists supported values)
[21:08] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, the last one gives: +CFUN: (0-1,4-7),(0-1)
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: that means you can use 0, 1, 4, 5, 6, 7 before the comma, and 0 or 1 after :)
[21:09] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: you can google for the meanings :)
[21:09] <pr0ph3t> why do I get error though :/
[21:23] <suprengr> o/
[21:24] <suprengr> wondering: if "ignorance is bliss"  ... why aren't there more happy people in the world?
[21:24] <brobostigon> suprengr: like conservative voters.
[21:25] <suprengr> biting tongue here.... trying to not to laugh....
[21:25] <brobostigon> :)
[21:28] <brobostigon> suprengr: funny though, :), am i watching and listening to to much satire?
[21:30] <suprengr> *never* a person has been found suffering from too much satire ; only the opposite [imho]
[21:30] <brobostigon> not enough satire, so too lack of a sense of humour ?
[21:31] <MartijnVdS> suprengr: also, cynicism :P
[21:32] <suprengr> only for those that have never realised that sarcasm. like satire; if stated well - is the *highest* form of wit ;)
[21:33] <suprengr> ...& cheers to me... I am a creature that I like call a cynic - but a healthy cynic
[21:35] <suprengr> [a good dose of cynicism would cure half of the world's internet probs!]
[23:47] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well.


[01:06] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Ubuntu Studio: Ubuntu Studio 24.04 LTS Wallpaper Competition @ https://ubuntustudio.org/2024/02/ubuntu-studio-24-04-lts-wallpaper-competition/
[01:10]  * guiverc is going to paste some summaries (shortly)
[01:19]  * guiverc out   (one link isn't opening; comment left with though(s))
[01:36] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::planet:: Colin Watson: Task management @ https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~cjwatson/blog/task-management.html
[02:00] <Bashing-om> UWN: guiverc: I am running late(er) - when you ate caught up I too have Friday updates to add to 827.
[02:07] <guiverc> you can edit now... I've stalled (as in elsewhere) & have nothing yet to paste... and will likely walk dog before I continue ...
[02:09] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Ack - smoke break 1st for me :D
[02:19] <Bashing-om> goin into 827
[02:34] <Bashing-om> saved and out
[04:14]  * guiverc going to paste a few more (shortly)
[05:55] <Bashing-om> opening 827
[06:03] <Bashing-om> saved and out
[06:06] <guiverc> the last summary i did (another bnnbreaking) doesn't appear to mention release impacted for vulnerabilities; let alone kernel that includes the patches (Marius always provides that...)
[06:06]  * guiverc hasn't pasted summary I'm talking about ^ yet
[06:07] <Bashing-om> guiverc: As the kernel team did not list - I can not see this as a biggy - now.
[06:08] <Bashing-om> guiverc: The saving grace here is the overwhelming support for Ubuntu's support.
[06:10]  * guiverc going to paste two summaries in a ~min.
[06:12]  * guiverc out
[06:55]  * guiverc reviewing some currently; will post shortly
[07:00]  * guiverc out
[07:02]  * guiverc will likely not be around much tomorrow; won't get to review what was done until my-monday or actual review-stage
[07:04] <Bashing-om> guiverc: We are looking good for the preent - I too an "out" of IRC - beddy bye for me.
[07:04] <guiverc> ack & sleep well.
[07:05] <Bashing-om> laters
[08:53] -ubottu:#ubuntu-news- ::portugal:: E286 O Código a Quem O Compila @ https://podcastubuntuportugal.org/e286/
[23:42] <Bashing-om> UWN: Opened 827 for Saturday wrap-up - will be a while.


[09:23] <sheytan> Hi! When will you put plasma 5.19 upgrade for 20.04? :)
[10:24] <RikMills> sheytan: 5.19 can't be built for 20.04 as it requires Qt 5.14, while 20.04 has Qt 5.12 LTS
[11:29] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[13:29] <sheytan> RikMills: so i will never be released propably before 20.10? :D
[13:48] <RikMills> sheytan: unless someone has the time to backport Qt, then no. even then it probably could not go in the usual backports PPA, as new Qt would make break some things in the normal archive for users
[13:49] <RikMills> it would likely have to go somewhere separate with a BIG WARNING on the PPA
[14:56] <santa_> RikMills: I have completed the test rebuilds of the _staging branches
[14:57] <santa_> RikMills: the fisrt thing I would like to work with you is the new packages that need to be uploaded
[14:57] <santa_> plasma-wayland-protocols is one of them, so I did some changes yesterday
[14:59] <santa_> so it would be nice if we could get that one uploaded soon so it can be accepted by the ftp masters
[14:59] <santa_> what else needs copyright files or attention?
[14:59] <santa_> kwayland-server ?
[14:59] <santa_> kdsoap ?
[14:59] <santa_> anything else?
[16:30] <RikMills> santa_:
[16:30] <RikMills> yeah I was going to upload the new plasma sources start of next week
[17:00] <rak> Who's the Kubuntu webmaster these days?
[17:00] <rak> I'm still getting bug mail for it, even though I gave up that role ~10 years ago...
[19:57] <valorie> rak: I think Rick Timmus has taken that up
[19:57] <valorie> but I'm not sure of his LP
[19:57] <valorie> he's in the council so I'm sure you can find it without too much digging
[19:57] <valorie> or just write to the KC
[19:58] <valorie> didn't know there *was* bug mail for it
[19:58] <valorie> :-)
[20:27] <santa_> RikMills: ack, thanks
[20:38] <rak> valorie: Yeah, https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website gets the bug reports, and https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-website gets the mail.
[20:39] <valorie> @sick_rimmit ^^^^
[20:40] <rak> I just added Rick as an administrator.
[20:43] <rak> Also, there used to be a<EMAIL_ADDRESS>alias that people would email bug reports to every now and then. It used to point to me, then to Ofir Klinger I think after he took over. Not sure if it ever got updated to point to Rick, but if not it's probably worth looking into.
[20:44] <rak> I think the procedure to get it changed was to open a ticket on the Canonical RT. #canonical-sysadmins would probably know what it is now.
 OK thanks, I will look into that
[20:46]  * rak goes back into hibernation
[21:06] <valorie> thanks for your work on the site, rak


[00:41] <skd5aner> hey, where can I view the latest version of the upstart script?
[00:41] <skd5aner> I'm not running mythbuntu, just vaniliar ubuntu and I compile MythTV from source, so I need to copy and paste.  Looks like the one on the mythtv wiki might not reflect the latest version that you guys ship
[10:21] <yunosh1> hi, should 0.26 already show up in the control center on 10.04 LTS?
[15:38] <tgm4883> yunosh, 0.26 isn't being built for 10.04
[15:39] <yunosh> tgm4883: is it not? http://mythbuntu.org/repos still talks something different
[15:39] <Zinn> [mythbuntu.org] Mythbuntu Repositories | Mythbuntu
[15:41] <tgm4883> yunosh, refresh the page
[15:41] <yunosh> heh
[15:42] <yunosh> the description is still misleading, because the lifetime of a LTS is longer than 2 years
[15:42] <tgm4883> no it's not
[15:43] <yunosh> ah right, version+1
[15:43] <yunosh> eh no
[15:43] <tgm4883> let me stop you right there
[15:44] <yunosh> so what do you mean with "it's not"? the lifetime is not longer than 2 years?
[15:44] <tgm4883> you are thinking of Ubuntu LTS length
[15:44] <yunosh> yeah
[15:44] <tgm4883> Mythbuntu LTS length is only 2 years
[15:44] <yunosh> ah
[15:44] <tgm4883> actually, more like 28 months
[15:45] <tgm4883> granted, we did try to build 0.26 for 10.04, it just really really didn't want to be built there
[15:45] <yunosh> good to know
[15:46] <yunosh> is suggest changing "during the lifetime (2 years) of an LTS release" to "during the lifetime (2 years) of a Mythbuntu LTS release" to make this more clear
[15:47] <tgm4883> yunosh, but it does say that, it even has a link to the Mythbuntu LTS page ;)
[15:48] <yunosh> :-P
[22:28] <superm1> i still want to try to fix the 10.04 build, but yeah it's being a major pain
[22:28] <superm1> probably not happen