[01:22] <makuseru> Hi, having a weird issue. I cannot change certian settings all of a sudden (running 15.04) i cannot change my desktop from folder to desktop view, i cannot install any programs, as well as some folder view settings via right click.
[01:23] <makuseru> Anyone know what would cause these issues?
[02:08] <alberto> Hola
[04:51] <finetundra> evening guys, I'm having an issue with my wifi software. kubuntu dson't seem to be detecting the card anymore. So what do I do?
[04:52] <finetundra> card is an intel centrino 1030 as I understand
[08:00] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:24] <prillian5> My Printer (HP Deskjet 8600) print the test-Page, or libre-office Documents. But not Documents from acroread or okular.
[08:24] <prillian5> any Idea why?
[08:24] <prillian5> The Printer-Command in okular is: lpr -P Officejet_Pro_8600 -o PageSize=A4 -o PageRegion=A4 -o Duplex=None -o InputSlot=Auto -o ColorModel=RGB -o MediaType=Plain -o OutputMode=Normal -o OptionDuplex=True
[10:07] <knightyyy> Kubuntu 15.10 will ship with plasma 5.4 right?
[10:20] <CapsAdmin> how do i remove notes that are stuck in the taskbar?
[10:20] <CapsAdmin> lol
[12:41] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[14:32] <dmatt> Hi, attempt to install https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack indicates removal of essential kde parts like kde-workspace, any idea how to install it properly?
[14:41] <finetundra_> morning guys, I'm having an issue with my wifi software. kubuntu dson't seem to be detecting the card anymore. So what do I do?
[14:41] <finetundra_> card is an intel centrino 1030 as I understand
[14:51] <BluesKaj> finetundra_:  run sudo modprobe iwlwifi, then post the output if any
[15:05] <kamil_> hi guys
[15:06] <kamil_> i am using kubuntu for about 4 months (since 15.4 was released) and i found that now my computer is slower than an the beginning, i am doing same tasks but i have lags, and freezes
[15:06] <kamil_> any tips how to find out what slows my computer?
[15:09] <finetundra_> BluesKaj: no output
[15:09] <finetundra_> kamil_: maybe check top/htop for what's using resources?
[15:11] <kamil_> finetundra_: mainly firefox, i have a lot of resources on this computer, its not the problem i think (8gb ram, used about 3)
[15:12] <finetundra_> kamil_: um, hmm
[15:12] <kamil_> finetundra_: and kidle_inject what is this?
[15:13] <finetundra_> kamil_: that I don't know.
[15:14] <finetundra_> kamil_: I seem to recall someone asking about this a few weeks ago. Almost the same issue. It may Have something to do with Plasma 5
[15:16] <BluesKaj> finetundra_:  does your package manager show an iwlwifi version driver as installed?
[15:16] <kamil_> finetundra_: :/ i can install other de, but its not the soultion :/
[15:18] <finetundra_> BluesKaj: how do I check?
[15:19] <BluesKaj> look in your software center
[15:21] <BluesKaj> the default software center leaves something to be desired so I usually install muon to use as a reference for installed packages
[15:21] <kamil_> finetundra_: i fount that this may have something to do with intel_powerclamp but still have no idea what can i do
[15:21] <finetundra_> BluesKaj: I don't see it. But the issue has fixed itself for now and that'll do for the time being. I gotta run so I'll come back if/when it stops working again
[15:21] <BluesKaj> or uninstalled packages too
[15:22] <BluesKaj> finetundra_:  so theat command must have loaded the eifi driver
[15:22] <BluesKaj> wifi
[15:22] <finetundra_> kamil_: I honestly don't know what to tell you. I've gotta run though
[15:22] <kamil_> inetpro: okay, thanks
[15:22] <kamil_> wtf autocomplete...
[15:23] <kamil_> finetundra_: okay thanks :D
[15:23] <BluesKaj> kamil_:  does ksysguard show any processes using lots of cpu ?
[15:25] <kamil_> BluesKaj: 4 processes kidle_inject with 12-13% of cpu usage each
[15:25] <kamil_> i found that blacklisting intel_powerclamp can help, im going to check this
[15:26] <BluesKaj> kamil_:  yeah that's probly plasma at work
[15:27] <kamil_> BluesKaj: okay, rebooted, now, ill check if it work
[15:28] <BluesKaj> kamil_:  rebooting won't change any default plasma processes
[15:29] <kamil_> BluesKaj: i blacklisted intel_powerclamp as suggested in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1389077/comments/18
[15:32] <kamil_> BluesKaj: and if it is plasma, then what can i do? any updates to beta or something?
[15:32] <BluesKaj> kamil_:  why powerclamp ?
[15:33] <kamil_> BluesKaj: i found that powerclamp is starting kidle_inject processes and its true, now i dont have it, but it still is not good as it was
[15:36] <BluesKaj> kamil_:  15.04 ?
[15:37] <kamil_> BluesKaj: yes
[15:39] <BluesKaj> kamil_:  i assume you run updates and upgrades periodically
[15:39] <kamil_> BluesKaj:
[15:39] <kamil_> yes *
[15:41] <BluesKaj> kamil_:  is this a production work machine or a homeuser pc?
[15:42] <kamil_> BluesKaj: homeuser pc (laptop exactly)
[15:44] <kamil_> BluesKaj: but i have plasma 5.3 from ppa (kubuntu backports if i remember well)
[15:48] <kamil_> BluesKaj: u told that this is plasma work, maybe downgrade it to 5.2?
[15:50] <BluesKaj> kamil_:  I believe plasma 5.4 is about to be uploaded to the backports soon and it promises to fix some of the slowness due to the plasma4 and 5 integration problems
[15:51] <kamil_> BluesKaj: how long is soon? :D
[15:51] <kamil_> i think ill downgrade it now, check if it work, and upgrade back if 5.4 will be available
[15:52] <BluesKaj> kamil_:  in a week or 2 , depends how long the packaging process takes
[15:53] <kamil_> BluesKaj: okay, thanks for info, as i said ill check 5.2 now
[15:53] <kamil_> because it gets more and more annoying (today is worse than yesterday_
[15:54] <BluesKaj> best to leave it alone IMO, too many dependencies might get lost or boken, then you'll have a real jam up
[15:55] <kamil_> BluesKaj: ill take the risk :P
[15:55] <akasic> hi, i changed my password for privacy some days, but now, i want to return to my old fast password, a single letter; when i type psswd username, it says it is too short... is any way to just have one character as I had in my installation? thnx
[15:56] <BluesKaj> kamil_:  don't think you'll see much difference
[15:56] <kamil_> BluesKaj: lets see
[15:57] <BluesKaj> akasic:  nope I think 3 letters is the minimum
[15:58] <akasic> ok, i find the solution, is, infront of passwd, example: sudo passwd username     :)
[15:58] <akasic> thnx anyway blue
[16:01] <kamil_> BluesKaj: or maybe you can suggest other de, that would be easy to remove in the future?
[16:01] <kamil_> that can i use for those two weeks
[16:22] <BluesKaj> kamil_:  I've been a KDE user for 10 yrs and tried them all , but for a simple and fast desktop xfce comes to mind
[17:05] <qaz> hello
[17:05] <qaz> any kubuntu users?
[17:05] <qaz> I need some help
[17:06] <qaz> i would like to have desktop icons without this squares
[17:06] <qaz> on backgorund
[17:06] <qaz> how to do that?
[17:07] <qaz> ??
[19:38] <Jojimbo> Hello guys, I installed Kubuntu today and I've got this window: http://i.imgur.com/ps5H7Eb.png
[19:39] <Jojimbo> What should I do? I'm not sure.
[19:42] <bprompt> Jojimbo:     so... well.. use the driver that may work better for your videocard then :)
[19:42] <Jojimbo> bprompt: I don't know. I have an Nvidia video card.
[19:43] <bprompt> Jojimbo:   I may settle for the (recommended driver)
[19:43] <Jojimbo> Ok thanks bprompt!
[19:43] <bprompt> np
[23:24] <Phoenixz> I did an apt-get upgrade on 15.10 which had a problem with one package and due to that I lost a lost of installed pacakaged (amarok was gone, so was yakuake, etc..) I've reinstalled most of these packages, but I do have one problem: things like knetwork manager, kdeconnect  (both would always be in the icon list at the lower right of the screen) etc are gone, and I don't know what packages to install to get those back on my desktop
[23:41] <surgy> hello
[23:41] <surgy3> hello
[23:42] <surgy3> i just made a live usb drive and am currently in the live..... installed the lts 14.02 kubuntu and when i boot from the harddrive it just has a blinking cursor. i think it might be a grub issue? can someone please help me?
[23:44] <soee> surgy3: first of all try 14.02 ?
[23:44] <surgy3> what do you mean?
[23:44] <surgy3> 14.02 is the lts right?
[23:44] <soee> surgy3: sorry, typo. 14.02 version ?
[23:44] <surgy3> yes its kubuntu lts 14.02
[23:45] <soee> 14.04 is lts
[23:45] <soee> you can grab latest image: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-1404-lts-update-out-0
[23:45] <surgy3> oh well then its 14.04 :) i just downloaded it an hour ago from the official website
[23:45] <surgy3> im actually in the live version now.
[23:45] <surgy3> talking to you...
[23:45] <surgy3> maybe my bios boot order is just messed lemme check that rq
[23:46] <soee> surgy3: do you see playmouth during booting ?
[23:51] <kubuntu_> ok
[23:51] <surgy3> im almost completely convinced im having a grub issue
[23:52] <surgy3> i installed lts 14.04 from a live usb. and then tried to boot from that drive.  its a 120 gb sdd and kubuntu uses the entire disk. after installtion i tryed to boot into the drive and all i get is a blinking cursor on a black screen.
[23:52] <surgy3> can anyone help me?
[23:53] <surgy3> right now im talkin to you via the live usb drive
[23:58] <surgy3> how do i reinstall grub on my sdd from the live installation?
[23:58] <Dragnslcr> Might also be a graphics card/driver issue
[23:59] <surgy3> i googled and found the problem but i cant find the solution. for somereason during installation kubuntu instaleld y grub on another hdd..... one that im not booting from. i want the grub installation to be on my sdd that im booting kubuntu from.
[23:59] <Dragnslcr> Not that I have any idea how to fix it if it is, but it's something else to consider
[23:59] <surgy3> Dragnslcr: but im using the live cd to talk to you now and it loaded just fine


[00:54] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3765 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/partman.py): Thaw choose_partition choices on partman startup.
[01:06] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3766 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/partman.py):
[01:06] <CIA-52> ubiquity: Always use default_mountpoint_choices method to get mountpoint choices
[01:06] <CIA-52> ubiquity: rather than going through slower partman scripts. (We were already
[01:06] <CIA-52> ubiquity: doing this in some fast paths.)
[01:42] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3767 ubiquity/ (3 files in 2 dirs):
[01:42] <CIA-52> ubiquity: Cache question types in each DebconfFilter instance, saving a debconf
[01:42] <CIA-52> ubiquity: command during widget search for every component using type: or ERROR
[01:42] <CIA-52> ubiquity: matching.
[02:39] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3768 ubiquity/ (4 files in 3 dirs):
[02:39] <CIA-52> ubiquity: Always use use_as method to get method choices rather than going through
[02:39] <CIA-52> ubiquity: slower partman scripts. (We were already doing this in some fast
[02:39] <CIA-52> ubiquity: paths.)
[03:01] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3769 ubiquity/ (10 files in 6 dirs):
[03:01] <CIA-52> ubiquity: Install wrapper scripts to cache results of os-prober and
[03:01] <CIA-52> ubiquity: linux-boot-prober. The wrapper approach means that we capture calls to
[03:01] <CIA-52> ubiquity: these scripts from shell as well as Python.
[03:15] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3770 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/partman.py):
[03:15] <CIA-52> ubiquity: Cache question descriptions in partman plugin, since these are
[03:15] <CIA-52> ubiquity: frequently fetched and there's no REGISTER funkiness going on in
[03:15] <CIA-52> ubiquity: partman.
[03:16] <cjwatson> so close, I'm at 21% of pre-optimisation run-time
[03:16] <cjwatson> maybe the resize optimisation hacks in 2.1.7 will take me past the 20% threshold - I'm benchmarking 2.1.6 plus edits at the moment
[03:22] <cjwatson> I have about one or two more tricks up my sleeve, and then any more optimisation will be hard work
[03:46] <cjwatson> 19.6%!
[03:47] <CIA-52> ubiquity: cjwatson * r3771 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/partman.py):
[03:47] <CIA-52> ubiquity: Avoid descending into partman/free_space just to find out whether it's
[03:47] <CIA-52> ubiquity: possible to create a partition there. We can get the same information
[03:47] <CIA-52> ubiquity: by inspecting the data returned by PARTITIONS.
[08:25] <djszapi> Hello!
[08:26] <djszapi> I'd have a question to you.
[08:26] <djszapi> does ubuntu installer support utf8 ?


[20:21] <elfy> DanChapman: while auto testing is a wonderful tool and jenkins shows that ubuntu and xubuntu are all good, I assume that the non_english default tests - test that you can start in a language other than english
[20:22] <elfy> doing it manually - these types of install are currently impossible - no way to change language


[01:53] <cr3> hi folks, is there a way to determine whether a system supports vpro technology because I'm particularly interested in AMT support? for example, might there be something in /proc/cpuinfo that I could check?
[02:02] <stgraber> cr3: it's unlikely to be exported as a CPU flag but it might show up in the dmi (look at dmidecode). From a quick test here on two machines that have AMT support, I'm not seeing anything obvious, though I don't think I have it turned on on any of these so that might explain it
[02:16] <cr3> stgraber: ah, I was hoping it would show up even when it was turned off. I'm mostly curious about AMT potential to spare me from having to look in all the BIOS menus
[06:13] <queency> hello all i'm using ubuntu9/04 can someone direct me to install power save to my machine
[06:47] <MCR1> bryceh, RAOF, shadeslayer: Hi :) Just FYI: I've now tested 3.6-RC5 (~kernel-ppa/mainline) and SSL uploading (at least to launchpad) is still broken (did not get it to work on any of the 3.6RCs, while it works on the same system with all 3.5 versions)...
[07:00] <RAOF> MCR1: SSL uploading to launchpad is broken by the kernel?
[07:01] <MCR1> RAOF: Yes, I am pretty sure about it.
[07:02] <RAOF> That's going to be an *awesome* bug once it's found.
[07:02] <MCR1> Once I downgrade to 3.5 there are no problems anymore
[07:03] <MCR1> If I push a new branch in 3.6 for example the branch gets created on launchpad, but no data is ever pushed (empty branch) and I have to bzr break-lock it.
[07:04] <MCR1> The dialogue for entering the SSL password does not appear also...
[10:49] <caribou> quick noobie question : what needs to be added to a kernel module source code to avoid the "tainted kernel" mention ?
[10:49] <caribou> i.e. I'm writing a 10 lines module and I want to avoid tainting the kernel with it
[10:55] <amitk> caribou: what is your module's license?
[10:55] <caribou> amitk: I'd say GPLv2, it's just for testing
[10:56] <cking> MODULE_LICENSE("GPL"); is requirec
[10:56] <cking> or MODULE_LICENSE("GPL v2");
[10:56] <amitk> right
[10:58] <caribou> cking: amitk: thanks
[10:58] <caribou> cking: just trying to hack my own slab corrupting module ;)
[10:59] <amitk> caribou: so you _are_ trying to taint the kernel, only in a different way ;)
[11:00] <caribou> amitk: I'm chasing a nasty slab corruption bug, I'm trying to build a systemtap probe that will trigger when slub_debug gets enabled
[11:00] <caribou> amitk: but you're right :)
[11:09] <caribou> amitk: cking thanks
[12:04] <dileks> initramfs-tools-0.99ubuntu13.1+dileks1.debdiff: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1202471/
[12:04] <dileks> hmm, shall I add debian-bugnos
[12:07] <dileks> looks good <http://nopaste.snit.ch/165713>
[12:19] <dileks> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=kernel/initramfs-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=71ece1498644e162e2d7271098e97d52d18ce3e2
[12:19] <dileks> http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=kernel/initramfs-tools.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d6b272f9ce08d8f6f5eee56f5382f25a8a3a5ef
[13:03] <sforshee> rtg, I dunno, that's really weird
[13:04] <rtg> sforshee, I was just reading your comments. perhaps it is binutils
[13:05] <rtg> sforshee, I'm updating my local chroot to see if I can repro
[13:05] <sforshee> rtg, I did build the same source in a precise chroot and saw that there was some space between video_cards and video_cards_end
[13:05] <sforshee> rtg, but it's absolutely bizarre that you bisected to that commit
[13:06] <rtg> sforshee, I was getting a different symptom, e.g., black screen. I did see the unknown video mode thing at least once.
[13:06] <rtg> sforshee, where do you find setup.elf ?
[13:07] <sforshee> rtg, after doing build generic it's in debian/build/arch/x86/boot
[13:07] <sforshee> *build-generic
[13:07] <rtg> sforshee, ack
[13:17] <cking_> bother, just bricked a laptop
[13:20] <rtg> cking, I managed to wreck mine twice yesterday, but no bricking was involved (at least at the BIOS level)
[13:21] <cking> this one just hung, reboot, no life whatsoever
[13:21] <rtg> cking, pull the batter and reset the EC ?
[13:21] <rtg> battery*
[13:22] <cking> now on boot there is no splash and the fan spins madly and that's it.  Can't pull the battery, it's a ultrabook, need to open it up
[13:22]  * cking rummages around for some suitable tools
[13:25] <hallyn> stgraber: have you heard any updates in teh last two days about the netns bug?
[13:27] <cking> bah, intel primier support, punch me now and get the pain over and done with
[13:30] <stgraber> hallyn: nope. Last thing I heard was that 3.6 "might" have a fix for it but cooloney still had to figure out which
[13:34] <hallyn> ah, thx, that's the nick i was looking for :)
[13:35] <rtg> rtg@salmon:~/ubuntu/ubuntu-quantal$ readelf -s ./debian/build/build-generic/arch/x86/boot/setup.elf|grep video_card
[13:35] <rtg>    138: 00003658     0 NOTYPE  GLOBAL DEFAULT   12 video_cards
[13:35] <rtg>    151: 00003658     0 NOTYPE  GLOBAL DEFAULT   12 video_cards_end
[13:35] <hallyn> stgraber: i noticed it wasn't on the kernel hotlist...  but i guess that's automatically defined
[13:36] <rtg> sforshee, ^^ this is with current toolchain building Ubuntu-3.5.0-13.14
[13:36] <rtg> sforshee, gonna build with precise just to be sure
[13:39] <sforshee> rtg, that looks about like what I got. As long as I'm understanding the code and linker scripts correctly that means the video_cards array is empty.
[13:40] <rtg> sforshee, that certainly would appear to be the case. I'll know for sure after compiling against precise ()which will be done in a few minutes)
[13:42] <sforshee> rtg, The array being empty is the only thing that makes sense to me anyway. We should end up with a minimum of 1 usable resolution if video_vga is included in video_cards[].
[13:44] <rtg> sforshee, with Precise tool chain:
[13:44] <rtg> rtg@salmon:~/ubuntu/ubuntu-quantal$ readelf -s ./debian/build/build-generic/arch/x86/boot/setup.elf|grep video_card
[13:44] <rtg>    160: 000042ec     0 NOTYPE  GLOBAL DEFAULT   12 video_cards
[13:44] <rtg>    173: 00004340     0 NOTYPE  GLOBAL DEFAULT   12 video_cards_end
[13:44] <sforshee> rtg, yep, now there's something there
[13:44] <rtg> sforshee, so next lemme back out the recent binutils update in my quantal chroot
[13:54] <bjf> jjohansen: bug 1050430 - i'm just now getting back to this
[13:54] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1050430 in apparmor "QRT regression test failure on quantal" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1050430
[14:22] <rtg> doko, bug #1049650 might be a tool chain issue. how can I build gcc-4.7 4.7.1-7ubuntu1 from source ? Is there a bzr branch that I can pull from ?
[14:22] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1049650 in linux "Regression: "Undefined video mode" with 3.5.0-14.16" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1049650
[14:26] <doko> rtg, likely. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=687448 popped up as well. can you reproduce this? I'll provide you with (some) toolchain builds
[14:26] <ubot2`> Debian bug 687448 in gcc-4.7 "Kernel compiled with 4.7.1-8 fails to boot" [Normal,Open]
[14:27] <rtg> doko, I can tell just from the build whether the kernel will work. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1049650/comments/6
[14:27] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1049650 in linux "Regression: "Undefined video mode" with 3.5.0-14.16" [Medium,In progress]
[14:29] <doko> rtg, could you check with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/binutils/<IP_ADDRESS>20816-2ubuntu1 ?
[14:30] <rtg> doko, gimme a bit
[14:47] <rtg> doko, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1049650/comments/8 for build results. Its definitely different.
[14:47] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1049650 in linux "Regression: "Undefined video mode" with 3.5.0-14.16" [Medium,In progress]
[14:48] <rtg> and likely better.
[14:56] <rtg> doko, a kernel built with that binutils actually boots.
[15:27] <jjohansen> bjf: thanks
[15:35] <bjf> jjohansen: if you need more, just ask. apport-collect not working on that system. it's a lab system and i can just let you have at it if you like
[15:36] <jjohansen> bjf: okay, I'll get back to you on that
[16:07] <orated> Hello! Where can I find information related to sound and webcam? Like how one can interface GPIO from /sys. Is there a similar way to fetch data and interact for
[16:08] <orated> webcams and sound card.
[17:27] <jsalisbury> rtg, Are you familiar with what firmware should be included on the mini.iso?  There is a bug talking about missing wireless firmware: bug 1047092
[17:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1047092 in linux "Mini.iso doesn't load wireless drivers" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1047092
[17:29] <rtg> jsalisbury, this seems to be more of an installer issue if /lib/firmware is missing
[17:29] <jsalisbury> rtg, ok that makes sense.
[17:35] <rtg> arges, you around ?
[17:35] <arges> rtg, yes
[17:35] <rtg> arges, working on the eglibs stuff. do you have to install it after installing the xen hypervisor ?
[17:35] <rtg> eglibc*
[17:36] <arges> rtg, you should be able to reproduce with just xen according to the bug
[17:36] <rtg> bug #956051
[17:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 956051 in eglibc "libc6 crash while running 'xm'" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/956051
[17:37] <rtg> arges, oh, it reproduces just fine
[17:37] <arges> rtg, ok good
[17:37] <rtg> xm[1324] trap invalid opcode ip:7f5273faa5fc sp:7fff1bea09d0 error:0 in libm-2.15.so[7f5273f68000+f9000]
[17:37] <arges> rtg, then we can try the test package ... let me get the link
[17:37] <arges> rtg, https://launchpad.net/~christopherarges/+archive/ppa-test/+sourcepub/2629659/+listing-archive-extra
[17:39] <rtg> arges, shall I just add that PPA an then update ?
[17:39] <arges> rtg, umm
[17:39] <arges> rtg, just realized there are a ton of debs
[17:40] <rtg> yeah, which uis why its easier to just update
[17:40] <arges> rtg,i have a bunch of stuff in this test ppa... let me clean it up
[17:40] <rtg> arges, quota is the only other Precise package
[17:41] <arges> rtg, the problem is we need to test the lucid package... so not sure if PPAs will let you add and install the other version
[17:42] <rtg> ah, lucid
[17:42] <rtg> arges, I have a lucid chroot installed. couldn't get the lucid kernel to boot, so installed precise instead
[17:43] <arges> rtg, we could try installing this version over the precise eglibc... (although that might be pretty risky)
[17:43] <rtg> arges, yeah, lemme try the chroot first
[17:46] <arges> rtg, cool. you should be able to add the PPA that way since eglibc and libhugetlbfs are hte only packages there. so should be safe enough
[17:46] <rtg> arges, OK, lemme make sure I can repro the problem under the lucid chroot. it requires xen-utils-common
[17:52] <rtg> arges, hmm. xen-utils-common did not appear until oneiric. how can you repro this issue under lucid ?
[17:54] <arges> rtg, btw here is the other related bug
[17:54] <arges> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/979003
[17:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 979003 in eglibc "libc incorrectly detects AVX support" [High,Confirmed]
[17:54] <arges> rtg, looking for another way to reproduce
[17:55] <arges> rtg, ok getting more info one second
[17:55] <rtg> arges, ack
[18:06] <vanhoof> rtg: natty EOL's real soon now, right?
[18:07] <bjf> vanhoof: yes, i'm loading the gun as we speak
[18:07] <vanhoof> bjf: fire in the hole!
[18:07] <bjf> vanhoof: the *last* kernel is in the pipe right now
[18:08] <vanhoof> bjf: cool, just saw a bug come across re: natty and I was pretty sure we're really close to EOL :)
[18:09] <bjf> vanhoof: the door is closed and locked
[18:09] <vanhoof> bjf: you set a chair behind the door too, yeah? :)
[18:10] <bjf> vanhoof: yup and booby trapped
[18:11] <vanhoof> bjf: lol
[18:11] <cking>  I wil miss natty. not
[18:12] <cking> bjf, what will the stable team do with all that extra time now natty is not being maintained? ;-)
[18:13] <bjf> cking: quantal
[18:13] <cking> nngggg
[18:13] <bjf> cking: when one drops another is picked up
[18:14] <cking> its like burying one's  grandma and getting a baby in one go
[18:17] <bjf> cking, the king is dead, long live the king (or queen)
[18:46] <orated> Hello! Where can I find information related to sound and webcam? Like how one can interface GPIO from /sys. Is there a similar way to fetch data and interact with sound card/webcam?
[19:00]  * cking -> EOD (literally)
[19:11] <alexbligh1> Is there a /maintained/ backport of the Precise kernel to Lucid? (a la lts-backports)
[19:12] <vanhoof> alexbligh1: dont believe so, no
[19:16] <alexbligh1> vanhoof, ok, that's a pity. Are the lts-backports kernels simply the Oneiric (or whatever) sources within a Lucid build environment? IE if I set up something to sync the sources automatically and publish a repo, would that be it? Or is it more complex than that?
[19:17] <alexbligh1> (OTOH may be I should just take all the excuses I can find to u/g everything to Precise)
[19:17] <vanhoof> alexbligh1: I'm not entirely sure if that's how they're formally built but I have done similar with success in the past
[19:17] <alexbligh1> vanhoof, ok, thanks, useful.


[21:12] <Noskcaj> darkxst, Anything you want me to be doing? I've done most of what i can for upower 0.99
[22:13] <darkxst> Noskcaj, did you make a list of rdepends status and work required for each imcomplete one?
[22:17] <darkxst> Noskcaj, rygel and sushi can probably be merged from debian
[22:19] <darkxst> also evolution (and evolution-data-server) could be merged, but would need to live on the ppa until gtk is ready probably, but would be good to get testing first anyway for that
[23:40] <stolernnomenclat> can anyone help me with a nautilus problem?
[23:42] <stolernnomenclat> if i view a directory containing video files (mts, mpg, mpeg) the hard disk begins to chatter away indefinately. If i move to another directory the disk activity stops.
[23:43] <stolernnomenclat> if i view the directory conatining video files but turn off the icon preview, the disk activity also stops.
[23:43] <stolernnomenclat> any ideas what might be the problem?


[03:33] <xubuntu02d> Is this where one can go to get some help?
[03:35] <flocculant> if people are able to they will
[03:35] <Javabean> yes, but you need to tell the room what the p...
[03:36] <Unit193> Toodles.
[03:36] <flocculant> hah
[03:40] <Unit193> flocculant: Hey, so every so often the display kind of "breaks", gives diagonal lines across and one can't ssh in. Plz2fix?
[03:41] <Javabean> when was the last time you dusted/cleaned your pc, changed the thermal paste, etc?
[03:42] <Unit193> Thermal paste not too recently, but dusted it out just yesterday.
[03:42] <Unit193> I would think if it were the CPU it'd fully power off, and if the graphics card one would be able to ssh in.
[03:42] <Javabean> odd, last time i had that almost same issue was when my chipset was overheating on my old system
[03:43] <Unit193> Given what's happening at the top of the screen, I'm presuming the graphics card is going out.
[03:44]  * flocculant has random window disturbances too - rolling window up and down seems to clean it - just like an etch-a-sketch does
[03:45] <Unit193> Pahah> :D
[03:45] <flocculant> which would be funny if I weren't serious @D
[03:45] <Unit193> Crap, I unplugged the wrong cable.
[03:45] <Javabean> i don't know, unfortunately my only reference for such behaviour was when the chipset was overheating on my old system, finding that out was annoying
[03:46] <Unit193> Javabean: Yes, it might very well be.. :/
[03:49] <Javabean> but i learned valuable things going through all that... be prepared to "bench test" any electronic device that suddenly start exhibiting random "crashes", pci-e slot clips don't hold a video card in place when its "dangling", and ir thermometers are priceless
[03:53] <Unit193> I have a Radeon HD 4650 sitting around, don't have DVI but grab a converter and might just help. :3
[06:13] <nikolam> I have xfce4-clipman installed But aether I don't see it or it is not on the "Add new items" list for Xfce panel
[06:13] <nikolam> can someone install xfce4-clipman and try to add it on the panel?
[06:42] <diogenes_> nikolam, clipman works fine here
[06:55] <nikolam> diogenes_, is it on your rightclick>Add New items.. list?
[06:56] <nikolam> i don't see it here..
[06:58] <diogenes_> nikolam, yes, did you intall both clipman and xfce4-plugin-clipman?
[07:00] <nikolam> no, xfce4-clipman-plugin wasn't installed. that was a problem.
[07:01] <diogenes_> ok
[10:35] <xubuntu27d> Hello, how to delete the newest version of the kernel? I ask that because my laptop won't start up with it. My system: Zenbook laptop, OS Xubuntu 16.04, 64-bits.
[10:41] <xubuntu27d> My question implies in fact: how to take out the newest kernel out of the Grub, with the result, that I can start with the last one before? The laptop does start up with that somewhat older kernel.
[10:41] <diogenes_> xubuntu27d, try grub-customizer
[10:43] <akxwi-dave> i would agree with diogenes_  grub customizer is great
[10:44] <xubuntu27d> ... but how to get that? I don't find it in the software.
[10:49] <diogenes_> xubuntu27d, http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2016/04/install-grub-customizer-ubuntu-16-04-lts/
[11:10] <xubuntu27d> Diogenes, thank you very much, it works !!
[11:10] <xubuntu27d> Problem solved !
[19:55] <jalt> Hi, is there any way to make Thunar show sizes in bytes when you select some files, right click -> Properties? Currently (Xubuntu 16.04.4 amd64) it shows only rounded SI or IEC units (example, 4.7GB or 4.3GiB). https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/hidden-settings didn't seem to contain anything appropriate.


[00:14] <doko> three more transitions finished. libgenome, libmsn, coinutils. good night
[02:54] <pitti> barry: hmm, and the last runs indeed succeed again -- http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/p/pytables/
[02:55] <pitti> barry: so, nevermind
[02:56] <pitti> good .. almost morning
[02:58] <pitti> jdstrand: I haven't seen it before; isn't that test running as root? seems weird to not have permisisons
[02:58] <pitti> jdstrand: or is that some click --user mode?
[02:59] <pitti> jdstrand: ack, will look at the bug; not sure there's much that I can do on the autopkgtest side, but it seems for now we don't yet understand enough what happened
[07:18] <doko> pitti, kicad ... tried to update the stable branch, but this apparently must relate to the current trunk. can't find any reference to this flag
[07:18] <pitti> doko: http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/kicad.git/tree/kicad.spec#n232 uses it as well, and it was recommended on the upstream bug
[07:19] <pitti> doko: err, Debian bug
[07:19] <pitti> doko: anyway, as noted in the pad this is waiting on apw's boost fix
[07:19] <pitti> then it can be retried
[07:32] <dholbach> good morning
[08:21] <kako> Hi, I'm wondering why I can't find the libt1-dev package for 15.04. Was the name changed? Is there an alternative? On a 14.04 I can find it by "dpkg -S /usr/include/t1lib.h" => libt1-dev, but on 15.04 I get no result. Is there no "libt1.(a|so)" for vivid?
[08:38] <infinity> kako: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=744881
[08:59] <kako> infinity: thanks, this is a answer... but now I must find out how to compile php without t1 :-(
[09:08] <infinity> kako: The same way it's configured in the distro?
[09:09] <infinity> kako: --without-t1lib
[09:19] <guest42315> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/unity-control-center_15.04.0+15.10.20150813-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[09:19] <guest42315>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/man/man1/bluetooth-wizard.1.gz', which is also in package gnome-bluetooth <IP_ADDRESS>-0ubuntu12
[09:19] <guest42315> dpkg-deb: error: subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[09:20] <guest42315> on wily :/
[09:23] <mitya57> guest42315, it's 1484658, will be fixed soon
[09:24] <mitya57> bug 1484658
[09:24] <seb128> mitya57, do you handle the landing or should I?
[09:25] <mitya57> Just wanted to ask the same :)
[09:25] <mitya57> I can do it.
[09:26] <seb128> thanks
[09:30] <guest42315> mitya57, oh thanks :D
[09:30] <guest42315> \o/
[09:31] <mitya57> building in landing-023 now
[09:33] <mitya57> 2015-08-14 09:32:28,962 ERROR unity-control-center 15.04.0+15.10.20150813-0ubuntu1 is missing from the changelog, which has up to 15.04.0+15.10.20150805-0ubuntu1. Please sync destination version back to trunk.
[09:34] <mitya57> seb128, can I tell citrain to forcefully merge your upload to trunk?
[09:34] <seb128> yes
[09:34] <seb128> want me to do it?
[09:36] <seb128> seems you did, thanks
[09:37] <mitya57> Yes I did it.
[09:38] <tsdgeos> doko: is https://code.launchpad.net/~aacid/unity8/dropgcc49more/+merge/268047 correct? i think i've seen some other projects do this too
[09:38] <mitya57> Oh wait, why did it commit the indicator-bluetooth change to 15.04 branch?
[09:39] <doko> tsdgeos, yes
[09:39] <seb128> shrug
[09:39] <tsdgeos> doko: tx
[09:39] <seb128> mitya57, because works was from previous cycle and we didn't retarget :-/
[09:40] <mitya57> :(
[09:40] <mitya57> At least the branches aren't diverged so it's possible to push that commit to trunk.
[09:41] <seb128> right
[09:41] <mitya57> seb128, I'm not a member of ~indicator-applet-dev, can you do that?
[09:41] <seb128> k
[09:41] <mitya57> branch & push
[09:44] <seb128> mitya57, there, you go, https://code.launchpad.net/indicator-bluetooth
[09:44] <seb128> 15.04 back on r87
[09:44] <seb128> and trunk on 89
[09:45] <mitya57> seb128, thanks a lot
[09:45] <seb128> yw!
[09:46] <kako> infinity: yes, of course ;-). But what If I need the type 1 font functionality?
[10:03] <guest42315> No tool chain set from kit "Ubuntu Device (GCC armhf-ubuntu-sdk-15.04-vivid)".
[10:03] <guest42315> No tool chain set from kit "UbuntuSDK for i386 (GCC ubuntu-sdk-14.10-utopic)".
[10:03] <guest42315> ubuntu-sdk on wily
[10:06] <guest42315> Failed to parse '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/plugins.qmltypes'.
[10:06] <guest42315> Error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/plugins.qmltypes:1106:39: Meta object revision without matching export.
[10:07] <guest42315> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/Ubuntu/Components/plugins.qmltypes:1125:39: Meta object revision without matching export.
[10:09] <sil2100> pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/langpack-o-matic/+bug/1484882 <- :)
[10:09] <sil2100> pitti: hey!
[10:09] <sil2100> pitti: I'll also request a manual langpack-o-matic run later today if that's not a problem - will you have a moment for that?
[12:37] <mterry> infinity, thanks for the NEW and presumably the rebuild presses on progressivemauve  :)
[12:39] <mterry> pitti, oh interesting about --v5 not being in Debian, thanks for the warning.  I am not very familiar with d-shlibmove
[12:39] <infinity> mterry: No rebuild presses, but if it was dep-wait, that clear automatically.
[12:40] <mterry> infinity, hrm, they were failures.  Some kind soul pressed some buttons
[12:45] <flexiondotorg> seb128, Regarding Blueman2. You mentioned a merge should be done. Do you mean a merge proposal for the just the debian packaging?
[12:50] <seb128> flexiondotorg, no, a merge
[12:50] <seb128> flexiondotorg, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging
[12:50] <flexiondotorg> seb128, Thanks for the docs.
[12:51] <seb128> yw
[12:51]  * flexiondotorg goes to have a read.
[12:51] <seb128> basically there are ubuntu changes to that package
[12:51] <seb128> so you can't drop them
[12:51] <seb128> you need to reapply them on top of the debian version
[12:52] <flexiondotorg> seb128, I understand that bit :-)
[12:52] <seb128> k, that's what a merge is
[12:52] <flexiondotorg> seb128, I need to learn the mechanics of merging.
[12:52] <seb128> take the debian version and reapply the ubuntu changes
[12:52] <seb128> your sync request was basically copying the debian version discarding ubuntu work
[12:52] <flexiondotorg> seb128, Understood.
[12:53] <infinity> flexiondotorg: The simplest mechanic is "debdiff debian_ver ubuntu_ver > ubuntu.diff" and then apply that diff to the new Debian.
[12:53] <infinity> Which takes some wiggling in the changelog.
[12:53] <infinity> Or, if it's a simple merge, MoM may have done it for you and you just need to check it.
[12:54] <flexiondotorg> infinity, seb128 Thanks for the info.
[12:54] <infinity> https://merges.ubuntu.com/b/blueman/
[12:54] <flexiondotorg> My concern is I am on Jury service right now. Very limited time on a computer. I don't know if I will have the oppotunity to do this work before next weeks feature freeze :-(
[12:54] <infinity> So, wasn't simple enough for MoM to get it right.
[12:55] <infinity> But the conflicts are likely easy to resolve by a human.
[13:07] <jdstrand> pitti: I spent about 5 hours digging into that bug yesterday and I'm quite puzzled-- it only happens under adt-run. there are steps to reproduce in the bug and how it doesn't reproduce in a schroot
[13:08] <pitti> sil2100: hey! (spotty now, in train)
[13:08] <jdstrand> are you able to reproduce? I can help speed up trying to reproduce if needed
[13:08] <pitti> mterry: d-shlibs> heh, nobody is :) it was my first encounter too
[13:08] <pitti> sil2100: I can do a manual run, for what?
[13:09] <pitti> jdstrand: hey! adt-run captures stdout and stderr into pipes, maybe that's related? /dev/pts sounds like that could be related
[13:10] <jdstrand> pitti: hello :)
[13:10] <jdstrand> well, it's weird
[13:10] <pitti> jdstrand: just a straw of bandwidth right now, and I spent the morning on g++ again, sorry
[13:11] <jdstrand> that's ok
[13:11] <pitti> jdstrand: I have the bug report now as a reminder
[13:11] <jdstrand> pitti: how easy is it to kick off an autopkgtest in jenkins for click-apparmor in wily?
[13:11] <jdstrand> pitti: basically, the severity will be somewhat less if it is only on a local schroot
[13:12] <jdstrand> pitti: but if jenkins can't run it, that is more important
[13:13] <pitti> jdstrand: rather hard, as we don't run Jenkins any more :)
[13:13] <pitti> jdstrand: more seriously, it's rather easy
[13:14] <pitti> jdstrand: requested
[13:14] <pitti> jdstrand: are you still an archive admin? then you can do it yourself too (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration/AutopkgtestInfrastructure#Administration)
[13:14] <pitti> err, or I would have requested it if my ssh command hadn't failed, /me kicks VPN
[13:15] <jdstrand> pitti: I am (though not active in the traditional sense-- have the powers still for shuffling MIRs and security updates)
[13:15] <pitti> ok, done for realz
[13:15] <jdstrand> thank you
[13:15] <jdstrand> and haha on the jenkins bit :)
[13:15] <pitti> jdstrand: not "haha", it's a great relief :)
[13:15] <jdstrand> hehe
[13:15] <jdstrand> I just meant I actually laughed at your joke :)
[13:16] <pitti> jdstrand: (no worries - TGIF!)
[13:21] <jdstrand> pitti: fyi, not that it matters much, but I don't have access wo wendigo
[13:21] <jdstrand> s/wo/to/
[13:21] <pitti> jdstrand: right, you just need access to snakefruit for requesting tests (the britney host)
[13:22] <jdstrand> ok. I was running the command to see if it was running
[13:22] <jdstrand> np
[13:24] <pitti> jdstrand: btw, result will take a bit, the queues are rather long
[13:24] <pitti> (~ 110 tests waiting)
[13:24] <pitti> will appear on http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/c/click-apparmor/wily/amd64/
[13:24] <pitti> (and /i386 of course)
[13:25] <jdstrand> is https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/wily/view/All/job/wily-adt-click-apparmor/ no longer used? (I see jenkins in the url)
[13:30] <pitti> jdstrand: no, it's not; I sent u-devel-annouce@ about that two weeks ago or so
[13:30] <pitti> jdstrand: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2015-August/001145.html FYI
[13:37] <jdstrand> I thought I remembered there was something on that. ok, thanks
[13:46] <jdstrand> pitti: curious, is the queue expressed anywhere in http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/?
[13:46] <pitti> jdstrand: no, not yet; it's an open wishlist item
[13:47]  * jdstrand nods
[13:47] <jdstrand> pitti: the site looks good. nice job :)
[13:49] <pitti> jdstrand: most of it isn't my job (I just did a few fixes), but thanks
[13:50] <pitti> jdstrand: it's "debci", aka. http://ci.debian.net
[13:53] <hallyn> infinity: could you unblock libvirt (as of 1.2.16-2ubuntu8)
[13:55] <sil2100> pitti: hey! I wanted that manual langpack creation since 1) wanted to check if all is working 2) get out our first updated base of translations for the overlay with no manual hacks involved
[13:55] <sil2100> pitti: anyway, still waiting for the base export to happen
[13:55] <sil2100> pitti: I asked wgrant for it, but it'll probably take a while until it finishes
[14:01] <infinity> hallyn: You have the power to do that.
[14:02] <hallyn> oh?  /me checks
[14:03] <Laney> (Close the bug)
[14:04] <infinity> Or remove the block-proposed tag.
[14:04] <infinity> Which is more appropriate than closing the bug.
[14:04] <cyphermox> morphis: I was told you were preparing a packaging branch for bluez in ~bluetooth?
[14:04] <infinity> Since the bug isn't closed until the package migrates.
[14:04] <infinity> hallyn: ^
[14:04] <morphis> cyphermox: yeah
[14:04] <cyphermox> morphis: is that lp:~bluetooth/bluez/ubuntu and were you done?
[14:04] <morphis> yeah
[14:04] <cyphermox> morphis: I wonder if we shouldn't keep history
[14:05] <morphis> would be fine for me
[14:05] <hallyn> i see - i thought it was a package property, not bug
[14:06] <hallyn> infinity: thx
[14:07] <infinity> hallyn: Excuses has a link to the bug that's blocking it and everything. :)
[14:10] <cyphermox> morphis: finally, I'm curious, is it set up as a merge-mode branch on purpose, ie. for CI train landings or something?
[14:11] <morphis> cyphermox: no, just for manual uploads atm
[14:11] <morphis> but would be good to have that
[14:13] <cyphermox> ok
[14:13] <cyphermox> morphis: I'll see if I can prepare a bluez branch too then I'll show you how it works / what I've done, we can see if that would work
[14:14] <morphis> that would be nice
[14:14] <morphis> still struggeling a bit with all this stuff :)
[14:16] <seb128> cyphermox, basically my fault for suggesting that workflow
[14:17] <seb128> but I don't know of a workflow working well for upstream projects
[14:17] <cyphermox> well, it's what I would have used too
[14:17] <seb128> CI train works fine for thing smaintained in launchpad
[14:17] <cyphermox> but I've thought that now maybe git would work
[14:17] <seb128> yeah, I think that too
[14:17] <seb128> I just have no clue about what workflow would be nice
[14:17] <seb128> and how to set it up
[14:17] <cyphermox> I wanted to make that for NM given that we already force NM to go through the train
[14:17] <seb128> and I didn't want to block starting a vcs on me figuring out those details
[14:18] <cyphermox> seb128: I'll play with it this week, get to a conclusion and let you know
[14:18] <seb128> thanks
[14:18] <cyphermox> to seed it I just need to download a few hundred .dscs :)
[14:20] <infinity> cyphermox: Thus proving that source packages *are* a VCS.
[14:20] <infinity> If you keep all of them...
[14:21] <cyphermox> yeah
[14:21] <cyphermox> but it's not so much for the history that I was looking into this
[14:22] <cyphermox> it's more for the ease of pulling in new upstream releases or cherry-picking patches from some git tree, which is what Tony wants to do in NM
[14:31] <infinity> flexiondotorg: Or maybe you're paying attention in this channel? :)
[14:38] <pitti> utlemming: http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-systemd/systemd.git/commit/?id=3676d8c7b FYI
[14:38] <pitti> infinity: ^ I think he discussed that with you
[14:40] <infinity> pitti: Yeah.  To be fair, his rule only applied to CPUs, but I can't immediately think of how allowing the memory rule under Xen would be a bad thing.
[14:40] <infinity> pitti: (It's probably a no-op entirely, since Xen memory management isn't done that way)
[14:41] <pitti> infinity: yes, I just didn't want to make the rule even more complicated; apparnetly hyper-v needs the memory rule too
[14:41] <infinity> pitti: THat said, all it would take is one more LABEL to make it do exactly what his rule did.
[14:41] <utlemming> pitti: I think your match won't work: ATTR{[dmi/id]sys_vendor}=="Xen", Machine"
[14:42] <infinity> pitti: Inset a vm_cpu_hotadd_apply LABEL in between the two, and make Xen jump to that one.
[14:42] <pitti> well, what should *really* be done is to stop working around kernel defaults in userspace and just activate hotplugged CPUs
[14:42] <infinity> pitti: Yes, no argument on that.
[14:42] <pitti> it's stupid to always override kernel defaults with constant values from userspace
[14:42] <infinity> pitti: utlemming also has a point WRT your typo. ;)
[14:43] <infinity> Or copy-pasto.
[14:48] <barry> pitti: ping.  i'm confused.  when you look at dh-python for wily/{amd64,i386} on autopkgtest.ubuntu.com, you see a thumbs-down-fail, but if you chase the link to the test logs, it looks to me like they're passing.  am i looking at the wrong thing?
[14:49] <infinity> barry: Search for '- - - re'
[14:50] <infinity> Makefile:16: recipe for target 'test201' failed
[14:50] <infinity> make: *** [test201] Error 2
[14:50] <infinity> adt-run [09:19:05]: test dh-python: -----------------------]
[14:50] <infinity> adt-run [09:19:05]: test dh-python:  - - - - - - - - - - results - - - - - - - - - -
[14:50] <infinity> dh-python            FAIL non-zero exit status 2
[14:50] <infinity> For example.
[14:50] <barry> ah.  okay, i need to file a bug on autopkgtest.  it's too hard to find the results in a big log file :(
[16:36] <seb128> could somebody overwrite the boottest for bluez again?
[16:36] <seb128> it's buggy
[16:36] <seb128> Laney overwrote it earlier, but that doesn't stick and cyphermox did an upload since
[16:36] <cyphermox> yes, please :)
[16:47] <tjaalton> doko: looks like the switch to gcc5 broke mesa build on debian & ubuntu
[16:48] <tjaalton> http://pastebin.com/VgJX9ghz etc
[17:06] <tjaalton> doko: Sarvatt pointed me to https://llvm.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=22593
[17:12] <LocutusOfBorg1> Unit193, can I upload virtualbox-ext-pack on unstable?
[17:37] <seb128> slangasek, can you override buggy boottests?
[17:37] <seb128> cf backlog, somebody to skip the bluez one would be nice
[17:37] <slangasek> seb128: it is possible to do, but why do you believe the boot test is buggy?
[17:38] <seb128> slangasek, because pitti said this morning that it always failed on bluez and that he keeps skipping it
[17:39] <seb128> slangasek, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2015/08/14/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t07:57
[17:39] <seb128> if you want reference
[17:39] <seb128> we should sort that out one day, but atm the bluez transition had an issue and half migrated
[17:39] <seb128> which is breaking iso builds
[17:40] <slangasek> pitti: what is broken about the bluez boottest?
[17:40] <seb128> so would be nice to unblock it without waiting on the boottest situation to be sorted out
[17:40] <slangasek> seb128: and what is the impact of this new bluez on the phone stack - which is what boottests are supposed to tell us?
[17:42] <seb128> slangasek, basically making bluetooth not working on touch
[17:42] <seb128> which was an approved decision before landing
[17:42] <slangasek> ok
[17:43] <seb128> the phone team is working on enabled bluez5 but they don't plan any product on wily and the image is already in a not so good state
[17:43] <seb128> so they said it's ok to unblock desktop and make bluetooth buggy on touch for a while
[17:43] <slangasek> but it's not expected to make the phone unbootable, for instance; this is probably just an error with the boot tests being broken? (trying to install packages on a running system with apt instead of offline)
[17:44] <seb128> right
[17:44] <slangasek> ok, will override as soon as I find the syntax
[17:44] <seb128> thanks
[17:44] <slangasek> though maybe it's just (force-skip)
[17:46] <slangasek> seb128: done
[17:49] <seb128> slangasek, thanks
[17:50] <doko> tjaalton, I don't understand, the last successful build is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mesa/10.6.3-1ubuntu1 ?
[17:53] <tjaalton> doko: it was built with old gcc
[17:53] <tjaalton> now llvm needs to be rebuilt with gcc5 and only then would mesa build again
[17:53] <doko> tjaalton, on Aug 11?
[17:53] <tjaalton> hm sorry
[17:53] <tjaalton> well it fails on my sbuild
[17:53] <doko> no, I already rebuilt 3.5 and 3.6
[17:54] <tjaalton> hmm
[17:54] <tjaalton> then I need to check my chroots
[17:54] <tjaalton> ..next week
[17:54] <doko> tjaalton, you sure to have -proposed enabled?
[17:54] <tjaalton> but debian fails too
[17:54] <tjaalton> no
[17:54] <doko> then do
[17:54] <tjaalton> failure on debian is expected then?
[17:54] <doko> and I'm pestering Sylvestre to rebuild it in Debian
[17:54] <tjaalton> sid
[17:54] <tjaalton> ahh ok
[17:54] <doko> yes
[17:55] <tjaalton> then I'll revisit it next week :)
[17:55] <tjaalton> thanks
[20:36] <mitya57> Mirv, hi, is there any reason why qtcreator is not built with system qbs (like in Debian)?
[20:54] <mitya57> Mirv, also, in Qt 5.5 there are duplicate headers in /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/QtQmlDevTools/ and /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/QtQml/,
[20:55] <mitya57> do you know if we really need the former? and if we need, can we symlink them?
[20:58] <LocutusOfBorg1> ginggs, congrats!
[22:52] <ejat> hi ..
[22:53] <ejat> can someone help me know why need to remove gnome-bluetooth ?
[22:53] <ejat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/12084015/


[05:48] <JackYu> ypwong, could we still use YY today?
[06:02] <ypwong> JackYu, sorry
[06:02] <ypwong> yes
[06:02] <ypwong> we can
[06:02] <JackYu> 好像leonard在电话会议上
[06:03] <ypwong> JackYu, i will call in
[06:03] <JackYu> 他已经上来了
[06:03] <JackYu> 在YY上
[06:03] <ypwong> ok


[07:52] <luser22> hi all - i'm having issues with openbox recognizing XF86AudioLowerVolume on my lenovo laptop
[07:53] <luser22> i can change ~/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml and add whatever key combinations I want to, say, change a synclient function
[07:55] <luser22> and the xbindkeys-config gui would work fine if I pressed the "perform action" button on the command "amixer -D -q sset Master 3%+ unmute", for instance
[07:56] <luser22> pressing the button would indeed change the volume
[07:56] <luser22> but when I bind the key XF86AudioRaiseVolume with either xbindkeys or the openbox config xml, nothing happens
[07:56] <luser22> it's bloody obnoxious
[07:56] <luser22> i might switch to xubuntu because of this
[07:57] <luser22> anybody have a clue to a workaround?
[07:57] <luser22> if it's of any relevance the keys are over F1, F2 and F3
[07:58] <luser22> but F4 works as a "close window"
[08:08] <luser22> hey, anybody here


[00:02] <yuriy> bdmurray: i guess i'm wondering if it's appropriate to have a knetworkmanager page if the bugs on the hug day page are for network-manager and not network-manager-applet
[00:05] <yuriy> and each network-manager-applet and knetworkmanager cover almost 100 bugs in addition to the 100+ for network-manager
[00:05] <bdmurray> I think not having network-manager-applet on there may have been an oversight on our part
[00:10] <yuriy> bdmurray: yeah i was thinking adding it would be good until i noticed how many more bugs that is
[00:12] <bdmurray> sometimes I sort the list using "-nr" and just cut it off after 50 or so
[00:12] <bdmurray> So those would be the 50 newest knetworkmanager bugs
[00:13] <bdmurray> because we really want to get the Hardy bugs triaged / fixed in time
[00:16] <bdmurray> yuriy: Does that help / make sense at all?
[00:20] <jlparise> hey hows it going
[00:21] <jlparise> I'm interested in helping out, wanted more info
[00:25] <bdmurray> jlparise: What kind of info bug triaging is a large topic.
[00:25] <jlparise> well basically I want to help with Ubuntu in some way
[00:25] <jlparise> and I am trying to figure out how
[00:26] <jlparise> I've been using it since Dapper, currently on Gutsy
[00:26] <bdmurray> Today we are looking at bug reports related to update-manager and we have a list of ubgs at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20080318
[00:26] <jlparise> I see
[00:27] <bdmurray> Frequently bug reports come in without enough information so we work with reporters to gather that info
[00:27] <jlparise> I see
[00:27] <jlparise> So how can I help?  Just going through the list here?
[00:27] <bdmurray> We have a series of debugging procedure wiki pages at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[00:28] <bdmurray> right! we could look at a bug together if you'd like.
[00:29] <jlparise> That would be fine
[00:30] <bdmurray> greg-g: are you still around?
[00:31] <bdmurray> jlparise: lets look at bug 195790 then
[00:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 195790 in update-manager "do-release-upgrade failed on gusty -> hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/195790
[00:32] <jlparise> ok, let me pull that one up here
[00:33] <jlparise> ok I have it up now
[00:33] <greg-g> bdmurray: yeah
[00:33] <bdmurray> greg-g: would you mind helping jlparise out I have to run for a bit.
[00:33] <greg-g> sure
[00:34] <greg-g> ok, I'm looking at that bug now
[00:34] <jlparise> ok later bdmurray
[00:34] <bdmurray> sorry about running off.  thanks greg-g!
[00:34] <greg-g> np, take care bdmurray
[00:34] <jlparise> no problem
[00:35] <jlparise> ok greg-g I have the bug opened up
[00:36] <jlparise> I am not sure what langauge it is written in though...
[00:37] <greg-g> neither am I, luckily most of the error message is in english
[00:38] <jlparise> yeh I see that
[00:38] <greg-g> so, I'm trying to figure it out before I walk you through it since I am not sure as to what the problem is right now, don't want to start you down the wrong path
[00:39] <jlparise> It looks eastern european perhaps
[00:41] <greg-g> jlparise: well, since I couldn't find anything obvious, here is how we can start
[00:41] <jlparise> ok
[00:41] <jlparise> I tried some online translations for czech, polish, danish, no luck
[00:41] <greg-g> since, looking at the wiki page about debugging update-manager ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingUpdateManager ) asks for all the logs which are already provided, that is good
[00:42] <greg-g> by the way, debugging procedures for many packages can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures
[00:43] <jlparise> Yeh i see them all attached to the posts
[00:43] <greg-g> and this is the general knowledge base for triaging: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase
[00:44] <greg-g> ok, so...  all the information is there that is needed by the developers to start diagnosing the problem.  Are job is not to tell them how to fix it, but just making sure that the information is available so they can.
[00:44] <jlparise> oh ok
[00:44] <jlparise> I did notice something at the end of the apt.log
[00:44] <greg-g> but, we also want to make sure that this bug has not been reported already, to do that we can try to search update-manager bugs for some keywords which we think would pull of duplicates
[00:45] <jlparise> refering to mybuntu
[00:45] <jlparise> ok I'll look around
[00:45] <greg-g> yeah, I saw that
[00:46] <greg-g> so, we could reply and ask the reporter to try "sudo apt-get reinstall mythbuntu-desktop"
[00:46] <greg-g> and in this case, we would try to phrase that in the most clear english we can, since they might not be native/secondary/tertiary speakers of it
[00:47] <jlparise> I see
[00:47] <jlparise> it seems like they are not
[00:48] <greg-g> so, if you want to reply with something to the effect of "Thanks for your report.  Please try reinstalling mythbuntu by typing this in the terminal: "sudo apt-get reinstall mythbuntu-desktop"  Reply with the output of that command.  Thanks!"
[00:49] <jlparise> done
[00:50] <greg-g> ok, good comment.  one note, in the future try to imply that you are awaiting a response from them
[00:50] <jlparise> I replied before you send that message
[00:50] <jlparise> sent
[00:50] <jlparise> so I added another
[00:50] <greg-g> no worries
[00:50] <greg-g> no, that is ok
[00:50] <greg-g> you can leave it as is.
[00:50] <jlparise> ok
[00:50] <jlparise> that was pretty easy
[00:51] <greg-g> but, now that we have effectively asked for more information (having them try something) we should set the Status to "Incomplete" indicating that the information required to work on fixing the bug is not all available yet.
[00:51] <greg-g> you do that by clicking the down-arrow next to the word New in the yellow bar
[00:51] <jlparise> ok, how do I do that
[00:51] <jlparise> I am logged in
[00:52] <jlparise> ok should i assign it to me? or no one?
[00:52] <greg-g> do you see the down arrow next to the word "New" in that yellow bar at the top of the page?
[00:52] <jlparise> got it
[00:52] <greg-g> no, leave it unassigned, assignment is to indicate who is working on _fixing_ the issue, as in a developer
[00:52] <greg-g> but, check the box that says "subscribe me to emails for this bug report"
[00:53] <jlparise> oh ok
[00:53] <greg-g> or, if you have already changed the status, click on the "Subscribe" link on the left
[00:54] <jlparise> ok I subscribed when I changed the status
[00:54] <greg-g> that way, when they reply with more info, you will be notified and can then act accordingly (setting to confirmed if more information is provided, invalidating if it is not reproducible, etc)
[00:54] <greg-g> now, lets search for duplicates, just to be safe
[00:54] <jlparise> ok
[00:54] <greg-g> some good keyterms for that one would be stuff like "mythbuntu-desktop
[00:55] <greg-g> and "x11-apps" since that was mentioned in the body of the report
[00:55] <greg-g> you can search update-manager bugs at this link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager
[00:55] <jlparise> ok, now to find the search box...
[00:56] <greg-g> you can get to that page by clicking on the package in the yellow bar "update-manager" (I usually open a new tab)
[00:56] <greg-g> or, if there is no package assigned (which sometimes happens) you can search all Ubuntu bugs by going here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[00:57] <jlparise> I didnt turn up much
[00:57] <jlparise> just oen bug that seems unrelated
[00:57] <jlparise> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/180032
[00:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180032 in update-manager "Update removes vital media codex." [Undecided,In progress]
[00:58] <greg-g> yeah, so, we can fairly safely assuming that this is not a duplicate
[00:58] <jlparise> ok
[00:58] <jlparise> that seems logical to me
[00:58] <jlparise> what would we havedone if it was a dupe?
[00:59] <greg-g> so, quick steps: 1) make sure it is a real bug (not a support request) 2) check for duplicates 3) if no duplicates, ask for more information 4) subscribe to bug 5) wait for reply
[00:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 5 in rosetta "Plone Placeless Translation Service metadata missing from po files" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/5
[00:59] <jlparise> whats step 5 in more detail?
[01:00] <greg-g> if it was a duplicate: the bug that is newer/has less information you would click on "mark as duplicate" then enter the bug number of the real bug
[01:00] <jlparise> ok
[01:01] <greg-g> literally wait for them to provide the requested information, and if they gave you enough that the developers can now start working on the bug you can set it to "Triaged" and ask someone in here to set the Importance accordingly
[01:01] <yuriy> it's like a mini triaging class in here :)
[01:01] <jlparise> cool
[01:01] <greg-g> yuriy: ツ
[01:01] <jlparise> yeh I am just learnin the ropes
[01:02] <greg-g> unfortunately, I need to start on some other work now... I'll be around to answer quick questions, but no more lecturing ;)
[01:02] <jlparise> well thanks for showing me the ropes
[01:02] <jlparise> now I can finally help out with Ubuntu a bit
[01:02] <greg-g> jlparise: be sure to read these pages: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase  and  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage
[01:03] <greg-g> there is a wealth of information there, helped me a lot when I first started
[01:03] <jlparise> Oh man homework from professor greg-g....
[01:03] <jlparise> I'll read it over
[01:03] <greg-g> thanks for taking interest
[01:03] <jlparise> have a good night
[01:03] <greg-g> and I expect a 5 page, single spaced report :)
[01:03] <jlparise> :-O
[01:04] <greg-g> take care
[01:04] <jlparise> you too
[01:04]  * greg-g is away
[01:57]  * hefe_bia takes "participate in a BugDay" off the "things not done yet" list and heads for sleep... It was fun. C ya.
[02:18] <jlparise> well I did 5 of them, thats enough for today
[02:20] <jlparise> night all
[02:42] <damian> auto-identify
[04:39] <bdmurray> yuriy: I've started graphing knetworkmanager for you. Let me know if graphs don't show up in a bit.
[05:30]  * calc likes the way his openoffice graphs look now :)
[05:31] <calc> only ~ 37 new bugs
[10:33] <james_w> does anyone know which package provides the cd boot menu?
[10:33] <james_w> 1 Try Ubuntu without any change to your computer
[10:33] <james_w> 2. Install Ubuntu
[10:33] <ogra_cmpc> james_w, thats a mix ...
[10:33] <james_w> etc.
[10:33] <ogra_cmpc> gfxboot-theme is one part
[10:34] <james_w> I'm seeing a problem in the help text.
[10:34] <ogra_cmpc> debian-cd another
[10:34] <james_w> ah, it's probably the former, thanks.
[10:34] <ogra_cmpc> the text likely comes from debian-cd
[10:34] <ogra_cmpc> its  tad confusing :)
[10:34] <ogra_cmpc> * a tad
[10:35] <james_w> ah, ok, thanks.
[10:39] <ogra_cmpc> james_w, usually cjwatson is the best person to ask about gfxboot
[10:40] <james_w> yeah, I'm guessing he's a tad busy though :-)
[10:40] <james_w> I can't find this text in debian-cd or gfxboot-theme-ubuntu either
[10:41] <james_w> let's try gfxboot
[13:26] <gregory> hello is pedro v. in this channel?
[13:27] <james_w> gregory: it's probably still a little early for him, but he will be around later.
[13:27] <pedro_> gregory: that's me
[13:27]  * james_w feels silly
[13:28] <gregory> james_w: thank you nevertheless
[13:29] <gregory> pedro_: i have submitted #203676. its an useless stacktrace, though i have installed all dbg-sym packages via  dpkg-query -W -f='${package;-50}\n' | xargs sudo apt-get install
[13:29] <pedro_> gregory: let me have a look to it
[13:29] <gregory> why is it useless. its not possible to catch crashes even with *dbgsym?
[13:30] <pedro_> gregory: that's not your side, the apport service was unable to get a backtrace of it
[13:32] <gregory> ah is there already a RFE for it? btw. i could not file it since i dont have enough knowledge, but would like to subscribe to the issue
[13:32] <pedro_> gregory: It'd be nice if you can submit a complete backtrace, we have some instructions on how to do it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[13:32] <pedro_> since you have installed all the dbgsym package it'd be easy to do
[13:32] <pedro_> s/package/packages
[13:34] <gregory> are stacktraces "valid", if i run gdb with firefox every time i browse (the crashes appear randomly). i would end with a huge log file of course, but it still be valid?
[13:34] <qense> hello!
[13:37] <james_w> gregory: when it crashes rub
[13:38] <pedro_> gregory: not all the stacktraces are good enough to determine where's the problem for example http://launchpadlibrarian.net/12726996/Stacktrace.txt
[13:38] <james_w> run "bt full" then "thread apply all bt"
[13:38] <pedro_> just compare that one with http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11669528/Stacktrace.txt
[13:38] <james_w> those are the important bit usually.
[13:39] <Iulian> Hey
[13:40] <pedro_> yep, follow what james_w is saying. And if you want to save that log to a file you can use "set logging on file.txt" inside gdb  for saving the output to a file that you can submit later to a bug report
[13:40] <gregory> james_w: ok
[13:40] <pedro_> hey Iulian!
[13:40] <gregory> pedro_: ok
[13:40] <Iulian> Hello pedro_ ;)
[13:44] <gregory> sorry, me again: "/usr/bin/firefox": not in executable format: File format not recognized  ?
[13:44] <gregory> ah
[13:44] <gregory> script, not "exe"
[13:45] <james_w> /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin I think
[13:46] <james_w> Any suggestion on how I can work out why nautilus fails to start f-spot on the latest hardy live cd?
[13:46] <james_w> It thinks for a while but doesn't start, it starts ok from the menu.
[13:46] <james_w> strace isn't telling me much.
[13:52] <gregory> ok or not ok? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60149/
[13:53] <james_w> gregory: it doesn't look like you ran firefox? Did it start?
[13:53] <seb128> james_w: how do you try to open it?
[13:54] <james_w> seb128: I open my CF card and it says "The media contains digital photos" and gives a button to start f-spot at the top.
[13:55] <gregory> james_w: it doesnt start from within gdb. if i use the same command without the gdb it starts.
[13:55] <gregory> james_w: one moment
[13:55] <seb128> james_w: ok, no idea bout that, I've no CF there
[13:56] <james_w> seb128: I've got the source now, I'm trying to find how it does it.
[13:56] <james_w> gregory: run gdb on it's own.
[13:57] <james_w> gregory: then type "file /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin"
[13:57] <james_w> gregory: and then "run"
[13:57] <gregory> james_w: i made a mistake, sorry, i didnt "run" inside gdb
[13:58] <gregory> my question about the paste is: is it ok that no debug symbols are found at the beginning?
[13:59] <bddebian> Boo
[14:00] <james_w> gregory: that seems odd, can you confirm that you have firefox-2-dbgsym or firefox-3.0-dbgsym installed, depending on which version you are running?
[14:00] <james_w> hi bddebian
[14:00] <bddebian> Hi james_w
[14:04] <gregory> james_w: status: install ok installed
[14:04] <james_w> gregory: ok, that's strange then
[14:05] <james_w> aha, it's not passing a needed option to f-spot
[14:06] <gregory> thats the status quo: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/60152/
[14:08] <james_w> so, it should be using the f-spot-view.desktop, but it appears to use f-spot.desktop.
[14:13] <seb128> james_w: that seems to be correct, f-spot is the application, -view is the viewer, no?
[14:14] <james_w> seb128: well, .xsession-errors has the usage message
[14:15] <seb128> james_w: what message is that exactly?
[14:15] <james_w> I presume it is trying to open it as "f-spot folder"
[14:15] <james_w> when you need to do "f-spot --view folder"
[14:16] <james_w> which is what the f-spot-view.desktop has as its Exec
[14:16] <james_w> I'm looking in gio as to why it chooses f-spot over f-spot-view
[14:16] <gregory> gregory: about the missing symbols i have submitted #203913, will be back when i have more news
[14:17] <james_w> ah, default_app = g_app_info_get_default_for_type (x_content_type, FALSE); in nautilus
[14:18] <james_w> so it's saying that the .desktop doesn't need to support URIs.
[14:18] <seb128> james_w: it's likely just using the one having x-content/image-dcf in his mimetype list
[14:19] <james_w> ah yes, fspot-view doesn't list that.
[14:19] <james_w> I guess this is f-spot's problem then.
[14:19] <seb128> yes
[14:20] <james_w> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/f-spot/+bug/202998
[14:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 202998 in f-spot "f-spot doesn't want to open with the nautilus new shortcut bar" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[14:20] <seb128> we have a distro patch from a contributor which added the change
[14:20] <james_w> I should look more closely at existing reports.
[14:20] <james_w> seb128: the change to f-spot's .desktop?
[14:20] <seb128> james_w: bug #191475
[14:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191475 in rhythmbox "[hardy] media tab in file management preferences missing applications" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191475
[14:22] <seb128> james_w: maybe we should have used the contributor version, ie using --import
[14:24] <james_w> seb128: yeah, that seems to be the most appropriate flag.
[14:25] <james_w> so, to get this straight in my head, we need to drop the mime type from f-spot.desktop, and then create f-spot-import.desktop with it.
[14:25] <seb128> james_w: yeah, basically drop the patch we have and use the contributor version
[14:26] <james_w> seb128: great, thanks, I'll come up with a patch to that bug report and reference the original, or re-open the original?
[14:26] <james_w> also, should I propose the bug for hardy? Is that the correct protocol?
[14:26] <seb128> james_w: reopen
[14:27] <seb128> james_w: milestone it for hardy if you want, if you can let me know I'll do it
[14:27] <seb128> I'm not sure about the target for hardy thing
[14:27] <seb128> I don't use it
[14:27] <james_w> I can only propose I think, so it needs someone with more power to make it visible.
[14:27] <james_w> I haven't worked out all the different lists yet.
[14:29] <james_w> also, what do you think about nautilus changing the flag that I pointed out to require that applications launched that way support URIs? (i.e. have %u or %U in their Exec)
[14:29] <james_w> will that break on a lot of things that accept it, but don't specify so?
[14:36] <seb128> james_w: I'm not sure to understand the nautilus change you want to do
[14:37] <james_w> so the function call I posted above has FALSE as the second parameter.
[14:38] <james_w> If that parameter is TRUE it means "whatever application you pass back must support URIs", which translates to having %u or %U in the Exec line.
[14:38] <james_w> and if nautilus is going to pass it a URI then it should ask for an application that allows it to do that.
[14:39] <james_w> however, what I am not clear on is whether there will be applications that allow you to do that but don't have %U, and so nautilus wouldn't be able to use them.
[14:39] <seb128> ideally nautilus should be clever
[14:39] <seb128> and call the applications with a path or uri corresponding to what it can handle
[14:41] <elmargol> iwl3945 really sucks :(
[15:09] <james_w> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/f-spot/+bug/191475
[15:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191475 in f-spot "[hardy] media tab in file management preferences missing applications" [Low,In progress]
[15:10] <james_w> should I subscribe u-main-sponsors?
[15:10] <seb128> james_w: yes please
[15:11] <james_w> done.
[15:12] <james_w> thanks for your help seb128
[15:13] <seb128> james_w: you are welcome, thanks for the work on it
[15:14] <james_w> no problem.
[15:14] <james_w> is this the best use of time during pre-beta testing?
[15:15] <james_w> would it have been better to just file it and add it as a todo for post-beta?
[15:16] <seb128> james_w: we need to get those bugs fixed, now is a good time for that
[15:24] <james_w> seb128: cool.
[15:39] <james_w> so, I still can't find the location of the problematic text in the boot menu of the cd, can anyone else give a hint?
[15:40] <james_w> It's in the F2 or F3 help text, I can't remember which.
[15:41] <seb128> james_w: ask on #ubuntu-installer maybe?
[15:42] <bdmurray> james_w: what text?
[15:48] <james_w> "Ubuntu" may be replaced by the name of any other distribution. This help text is generic.
[15:48] <james_w> or something similar, I don't think it's meant to be there.
[15:48] <james_w> seb128: thanks, I didn't know about this channel.
[17:52] <qense> can bug 203677 be set as confirmed or does it need more information?
[17:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203677 in gnome-power-manager "gnome-power-manager cpufreq problem" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203677
[17:54] <pedro_> qense: confirmed is ok since the reported submitted the info you requested, if the maintainer needs more info he'll ask for it
[17:58] <qense> ok, thx
[18:08] <nxvl> can some put the importance on Bug #203449
[18:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203449 in dovecot "[dovecot] [CVE-2008-1199, CVE-2008-1218] privilege escalation" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203449
[18:08] <james_w> hi nxvl
[18:08] <nxvl> james_w: :D
[18:09] <james_w> nxvl: you get everywhere don't you :)
[18:10] <nxvl> james_w: i'm a virus :D
[18:16] <pedro_> nxvl: done :-)
[18:22] <bdmurray> pedro_: hello!
[18:22] <pedro_> hey bdmurray
[18:24] <bdmurray> tomorrow KDE seems to be looking at knetworkmanager should we add some network-manager-applet bugs for tomorrow?
[18:24] <bdmurray> s/KDE/Kubuntu
[18:27] <pedro_> yeah totally, it seems to have a lot of new bugs too
[18:31] <pedro_> ok, I've already added them
[18:31] <bdmurray> awesome!  thanks pedro_
[18:31] <pedro_> sure, thanks you for the reminder
[18:33] <nxvl> pedro_: thanks
[18:34] <pedro_> nxvl: de nada :-)
[18:37] <nxvl> bdmurray: did you check the mail i send you with my appliance?
[18:39] <bdmurray> nxvl: I've seen your e-mail but not had a chance to review it yet
[18:40] <qense> How's the designing of the new application procedure going?
[18:45] <nxvl> bdmurray: oh! ok, let me know when you check it please
[18:45]  * nxvl HUGS bdmurray
[19:21] <qense> What is the upstream bug tracker for GDM, GNOME?
[19:22] <pedro_> qense: yes
[19:22] <pedro_> qense: http://bugzilla.gnome.org
[19:23] <qense> ok, thx
[19:23] <qense> (ah, of course :P GNOME Display Manager. I forgot)
[19:41] <qense> I go, bye
[19:50] <gregory> hello, i am stuck with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/203913
[19:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203913 in firefox-3.0 "debug symbols?" [Undecided,New]
[20:22] <hefe_bia_> Hi, can somebody set the Importance for bug #192204 (Wishlist, I think)?
[20:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 192204 in update-manager "Error message on unmet dependencies during update should be improved" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/192204
[20:25] <hefe_bia_> Also: Might this be a duplicate of bug #63659 ? I'm not sure.
[20:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 63659 in update-manager "dist-upgrade should give better error-message when it can't upgrade because of transient archive issues" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63659
[21:08] <Arby> for bug 194186 what is the appropriate log to ask for, dpkg.log?
[21:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 194186 in update-manager "update with adept manager failed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194186
[21:09] <Arby> also, should it be reassigned to adept-manager rather than update manager?
[21:14] <mvo> please reassign adept bugs to adept :)
[21:18] <Arby> thought so
[21:19] <Arby> am I right asking for dpkg.log?
[21:19] <Arby> mvo^
[21:19]  * mvo checks
[21:19] <mvo> yes, that sounds good
[21:20] <Arby> thanks
[21:20] <mvo> its a bit unfortunate that adept has its own way when it comes to running dpkg, this means that it does not write a termianl log like apt or synaptic
[21:20] <mvo> usually we have nowdays good debug information in /var/log/apt/term.log
[21:20] <mvo> and during the dist-upgrade of course in /var/log/dist-upgrade/term.log
[21:21] <mvo> thanks Arby!
[21:21] <Arby> mvo: happy to help
[21:22] <Arby> mvo is there anything else I can do to help with update-manager?
[21:22] <Arby> besides keep whacking the bug list of course :)
[21:25] <mvo> helping with the buglist is a wonderful help already, that is really really appreciated :)
[21:30] <Arby> what else would be needed for bug 191834 to be considered complete?
[21:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191834 in update-manager "Update-manager could not calculate the upgrade from feisty to gutsy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191834
[21:30] <Arby> the logs are all there but there's nothing obviousl useful there
[21:34] <bdmurray> Arby: the dbus errors sound familiar I'd look around for a duplicate
[21:34] <mvo> Arby: I think we have enough, it looks (from apt.log) like this is a issue with nfs-common and libnfsidmap2 - there should be a master for this already. IIRC the workaround was to remove nfs-common for the upgrade
[21:34] <Arby> OK I'll go digging
[21:41] <Arby> bug 157763 looks similar, is that it?
[21:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 157763 in update-manager "[master] nfs-common makes upgrade calculation impossible (was: Could not calculate the upgrade)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157763
[21:42] <mvo> Arby: yeah, I think that is the one
[21:43] <Arby> thanks
[22:13] <Arby> mvo: any known bugs for update-manager and either udev or upstart
[22:13] <Arby> bug 191418 reports broken dependencies for both udev and upstart
[22:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 191418 in update-manager "Upgrade failed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191418
[22:14] <Arby> 203765 looks possible
[22:14] <Arby> oops 203756
[22:18] <Arby> also 76840 looks like a similar upstart error
[22:37] <mvo> Arby: 191418 should be fixed now, it was a apt bug - I also added a workaround in my latest udev upload, so hopefully this one is gone now
[22:38] <mvo> But I will ask for what upgrade it happend


[00:39] <shakes808> Good evening all!  How are you doing?
[00:48] <shakes808> rick_h_ or cmaloney: hey guys, question about the chc website.  Who is the owner?
[00:55] <cmaloney> NFC
[00:55] <rick_h_> waf1: is that wil?
[00:56] <shakes808> ??? NFC ???
[00:56] <cmaloney> Yeah, that's wil
[00:56] <cmaloney> THough I don't know who runs the root chc site
[00:56] <rick_h_> yea, so waf1 is the owner
[00:56] <rick_h_> it's on google code hosting thingy, or was last I knew
[00:57] <shakes808> Thank you guys.
[00:57] <shakes808> waf1: how are you doing tonight?
[00:57] <cmaloney> I think he's in thailand. :)
[00:57] <cmaloney> so not sure if it's still "tonight" over there. :)
[00:58] <shakes808> HAHA, gotcha
[00:58] <shakes808> is there another way to get a hold of him?  email address?
[01:31] <cmaloney> Not sure
[01:45] <shakes808> do you know how to add a new page? Or do we need Wil?
[02:21] <shakes808> :| laptop unplugged.  :(
[11:14] <cmaloney> Good morning
[11:20] <cmaloney> So, anyone want to present Ubuntu on Windows for a future MUG Meeting? :)
[11:20] <cmaloney> jcastro?
[11:41] <wolfger> Ubuntu on Windows?
[11:42] <wolfger> I heard bash on Windows, is that what you're talking about?
[12:00] <mrgoodcat> yes
[12:00] <mrgoodcat> well likely
[12:00] <mrgoodcat> i can't speak for cmaloney
[12:00] <mrgoodcat> its super interesting though
[12:00] <mrgoodcat> the idea of a windows subsytem with ABI compatibility for linux ELF executables
[12:29] <cmaloney> Yeah, that's what I'm talking about
[12:32] <cmaloney> https://github.com/edreamleo/python-to-coffeescript
[12:43] <mrgoodcat> python-to-coffeescript-to-es6-to-es5-to-asmjs-to-webassembly
[12:56] <cmaloney> heh
[13:21] <jcastro> cmaloney: in the fall maybe? I don't think it's available yet
[13:21] <cmaloney> Now now now now now. ;)
[13:21] <cmaloney> When is it supposed to be available?
[13:22] <jcastro> they said "a few weeks"
[13:22] <jcastro> but didn't really commit to a date
[13:22] <cmaloney> so is that a beta in a few weeks?
[13:22]  * cmaloney apparently doesn't want to read press releases. ;)
[13:23] <jrwren> not much to present either. its a standard ubuntu image ;]
[13:23] <cmaloney> Heh
[13:42] <jrwren> cmaloney: if you really want details, I just retweeted a post by @katco_ with a link to video which goes pretty good into details.
[13:50] <cmaloney> jrwren: Not seeing the tweer
[13:50] <cmaloney> tweet
[13:51] <cmaloney> Oh, yay... Twitter's Web INterface is goofed up.
[13:51] <cmaloney> jrwren: Thanks. Downloading the video.
[13:52] <cmaloney> I'm sure this will come up at MUG so someone should have some info on it. ;)
[13:52] <cmaloney> it's not every day the seas part and hell freezes over.
[13:53] <jrwren> indeed.
[14:18] <jcastro> yeah, it will come as a windows 10 update at some point
[14:19] <jcastro> from watching the videos they've said "a few weeks" and it for sure is going to be part of the summer update
[14:19] <jcastro> so I would assume beta in a few weeks, with final in the summer
[14:27] <jrwren> someone said as soon as a few days, if you are a windows insider and on the fast right or something?
[14:34] <hpucks> so this is just going to be a bash shell in Win10?
[14:34] <hpucks> sort of Cygwinish.
[14:36] <jrwren> its ubuntu, the exactly same root tarball as cloud images used in all the public clouds.
[14:36] <jrwren> cygwin recompiles everything to windows CEOFF binaries.
[14:37] <hpucks> huh.  interesting.
[14:41] <hpucks> I have a Win10 partition but I barely boot into it anymore.  Usually just go straight to Ubuntu.  Might be something interesting to play with but not all that useful for me since I spend the majority of my time in Ubuntu anyhow.
[14:43] <jrwren> yup.
[14:44] <jrwren> its primarily a developer tool. They are really targetting the ruby, python, nodejs programmers who struggle to get things to work on windows.
[14:44] <jrwren> There is a giant group of dev (I used to be one) who like to use tools in windows, but also target those platforms.
[14:54] <cmaloney> Yeah, this is not for the Ubuntu / Linux faithful
[14:55] <cmaloney> more for those who are stuck between both worlds.
[14:56] <jrwren> esp corporate types who are forced to run windows
[14:56] <cmaloney> Yeah, I was thinking that this morning
[14:56] <cmaloney> although it's for corp types that allow external software loads.
[14:56] <hpucks> ^
[14:56] <cmaloney> but if MS is providing it then there's an air of authority
[14:56] <jrwren> yup :[
[14:57] <hpucks> Yeah, we aren't allowed to load anything on our laptops here.
[14:57] <cmaloney> I'm hoping it's more of a bridge for folks to target so Linux games continue to show up but with less friction
[14:58] <cmaloney> Though who wants to bet this will be utilized as some sort of cross-platform malware delivery system if it's installed by default? :)
[15:53] <jrwren> msft just open sourced the closed source parts of xamarin
[15:55] <cmaloney> Nardelli took the right bits from Sun Microsystems
[15:55] <jrwren> WAT?


[13:36] <mauroacs> hello
[13:37] <mauroacs> i need find the driver rtl8169sc
[13:38] <mauroacs> any tips?