[00:12] <patrickceg> penguin42: Thanks, although it sucks to "give up" on an issue... This is so different from in-house development where the environment is controlled where you can get the exact setup of a bug reporter
[00:12] <LordOfTime> mind if i see the bug?
[00:12]  * LordOfTime is curious
[00:13] <penguin42> patrickceg: Well, you have to hope you can hand it over to someone who is an expert on the package
[00:13] <patrickceg> It's 997876 - I poked at it on one of my first days trying triage.
[00:13] <LordOfTime> LP Bug 997876
[00:13] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 997876 in firefox "No manual sort for bookmarks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/997876
[00:14] <LordOfTime> did you check upstream?
[00:14] <LordOfTime> to see if this was removed upstream
[00:14] <LordOfTime> because if it was removed upstream, then this bug/featurerequest needs upstreaming
[00:14] <LordOfTime> for the ffox devs to handle
[00:14] <patrickceg> I did a quick search but bookmarks is so common I got screenfulls of results
[00:15] <LordOfTime> heh
[00:15] <LordOfTime> i'm poking the ffox channel on the mozilla IRC net
[00:16] <patrickceg> Essentially the OP is blocked from drag-and-drop or copy+paste sorting bookmarks manually - something I can't reproduce on either of my machines
[00:17] <LordOfTime> nor can I
[00:17] <LordOfTime> i'm checking upstream now
[00:24] <LordOfTime> confirmed the bug is nonexistent upstream, and the fucntionality exists upstream
[00:25] <LordOfTime> i'm marking that as Incomplete unless we can see additional information to say otherwise
[00:35] <patrickceg> LordOfTime: Thanks for the help - I couldn't find anything that looks like the same problem upstream either.
[00:35] <LordOfTime> well it doesnt exist upstream
[00:35] <LordOfTime> and we'd only upstream if we confirmed it iirc
[03:45] <wxwok> Anyone saw this? kernel: [18237.394318] NVRM: Xid (0000:01:00): 6, PE0001. My graphic card is gts250.
[03:45] <wxwok> on 12.04
[07:12] <sary> Salutation.
[07:12] <sary> Could someone please triage this bug , https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1001066
[07:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1001066 in xorg "X freezes with a crash" [Undecided,New]
[13:47] <vibhav> Could someobdy set the importance of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eggdrop/+bug/885329 to high?
[13:47] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 885329 in eggdrop "eggdrop crash on i386" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[13:49]  * penguin42 looks
[13:50] <penguin42> vibhav: Should it also be set as triaged
[13:50] <vibhav> yeah
[13:52] <penguin42> I've done it for the main eggdrop one, do you also need it doing for the oneiric task?
[13:52] <vibhav> yes
[13:52] <penguin42> does it also happen on Precise?
[13:52] <vibhav> yes
[22:52] <dlentz> if anyone sees this, please mark this Triaged/Low.   Thanks.
[22:52] <dlentz> 995689
[22:52] <LordOfTime> LP Bug 995689
[22:52] <dlentz> bug 995689
[22:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 995689 in clementine "clementine should build-depend on libprotobuf-dev (for Spotify support)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/995689
[22:55] <LordOfTime> bugcontrol peoples:  i concur with dlentz on importance=low for LP Bug 995689.  Reasoning and Criterion: The bug is one that affects a non-essential aspect and limited scope of the application.   I also agree it is ready for triaging because it has specific information on what needs to be done as a fix, and has specifically outlined what the problem is.
[22:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 995689 in clementine "clementine should build-depend on libprotobuf-dev (for Spotify support)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/995689
[22:55] <LordOfTime> dlentz:  its best to include your reasons when you ping bugcontrol people ;p
[22:55] <LordOfTime> micahg:  you there?
[22:56] <LordOfTime> usually micah's around within ten minutes of me pinging :/
[23:01] <dlentz> LordOfTime, thanks
[23:01] <LordOfTime> dlentz:  yep, now we just wait
[23:01] <LordOfTime> actually... i wonder if the security team has bugcontrol...  mdeslaur, do you have bugcontrol powers?
[23:01] <LordOfTime> or should i wait for micahg to show up :P
[23:01]  * mdeslaur reads backscroll
[23:02] <mdeslaur> done
[23:03] <LordOfTime> thanks
[23:03] <mdeslaur> np
[23:03] <LordOfTime> mdeslaur:  also, i'll need some patches reviewed for the NGINX CVE debdiffs i've got, i'll be uploading them (and the patches i had to hand-make for these) to that bug in the next, oh, hour or so?
[23:03] <LordOfTime> (since MTecknology passed that bug onto me, its my job to handle them :/)
[23:04] <mdeslaur> LordOfTime: please subscribe ubuntu-security-sponsors to the bug once you've uploaded the debdiffs, and whoever's on community duty will take a look
[23:04] <LordOfTime> wonderful, i'll do that (assuming i remember in an hour xD)
[23:04] <LordOfTime> i need to confirm they run first :P
[23:04]  * LordOfTime always does that confirmation, since he learned that when doing backports
[23:37] <sary> Salutation , could someone please assit on a bug to triag
[23:37] <LordOfTime> sary:  which bug
[23:37] <LordOfTime> and is it already triaged, or in need of triaging, or is it a new bug
[23:38] <sary> its new , and needs a triaging bug 1001066
[23:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1001066 in xorg "X freezes with a crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1001066
[23:39] <LordOfTime> sary:  we usually don't triage bugs until someone other than the original poster can confirm the bug
[23:39] <LordOfTime> and crashes don't necessarily mean bugs
[23:40] <sary> aha , i see .. so what should i do in this case.
[23:41] <micahg> well, crashes usually mean bugs of some sort, sometimes they can be hard to decipher
[23:42] <LordOfTime> agreed with micahg
[23:42] <LordOfTime> micahg: also, this is tagged as an apport bug, shouldnt that be privated until someone on bugcontrol checks it for privacy stuffs?
[23:42] <micahg> depends if the reporter uncheck the private box
[23:42] <LordOfTime> looks like they unchecked "private"
[23:43] <LordOfTime> should it be reset to private until someone checks for private information and the likes?
[23:43] <LordOfTime> i mean, its 4 days old, but still
[23:44] <micahg> LordOfTime: it was reported with ubuntu-bug PKG, not through the crash reporter, that's why it's public
[23:44] <sary> I have joined the BugSquad team , but its still a long way for me to go and start within , so i asked for some sort of advice .. is there anything else i should add to the bug.
[23:44] <LordOfTime> ah, then why's it tagged apport-bug?
[23:44] <micahg> ubuntu-bug is an apport cli binary
[23:44] <LordOfTime> ahh
[23:44] <LordOfTime> i see
[23:44] <sary> the crash reporter doesn't seem to work here , am not sure why
[23:45] <LordOfTime> micahg:  where do you find out whether its filed with ubuntu-bug or is an apport crash bug?
[23:45] <LordOfTime> or rather how do you determine that
[23:45] <micahg> err...I should say executable, not binary
[23:45]  * LordOfTime knew what you meant
[23:45] <micahg> LordOfTime: no stack trace attached
[23:45] <LordOfTime> ahhhhh
[23:45] <sary> I mean , i can't tell if it did send the bug .
[23:45] <LordOfTime> i see
[23:46] <micahg> sary: you can start here for triaging X bugs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Triaging
[23:46]  * LordOfTime returns to dealing with the nginx CVE stuffs
[23:46] <sary> Thanks , i'll check it out.
[23:48] <LordOfTime> mdeslaur:  micahg:  if i'm in the process of fixing the CVE issues as stated in Bug 956150, and i am about to upload the patches/debdiffs, outside of subscribing the ubuntu-security-sponsors team, should i also mark the bug as 'in progress'?
[23:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 956150 in nginx "March 15th 2012 Security Advisory" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/956150
[23:49] <micahg> LordOfTime: well, you'd normally do that to show you're working on it, once the patches are attached and sponsors subscribed, it goes back to confirmed
[23:50] <LordOfTime> i see
[23:50] <LordOfTime> i'll leave it as confirmed then, since i'm assigned to it anyways


[00:00] <Zilenc3> Still no, I just plug in and out
[00:00] <Zilenc3> I figured that would be good enough. I can restart the PC
[00:03] <pavlos> Zilenc3: you could disconnect (wired connected) and then reconnect (top right of your screen)
[00:03] <pavlos> Zilenc3: that will force 20.04 to get a fresh network ip
[00:03] <derpadmin> pavlos, a dhcp request?
[00:05] <troy_cambridge> .sh files used to run by clicking in filoe manager.  Now it only asks me what is the default application
[00:05] <pavlos> derpadmin: I think it does an ifdown eth0 then ifup eth0
[00:05] <derpadmin> pavlos, most likely yeah
[00:05] <derpadmin> and a dhclient?
[00:06] <troy_cambridge> I'm thinking bash, but I can't find it as a selection
[00:09] <Zilenc3> pavlos, Under Connection Info, I see "more connections" with an old static IP (which I deleted after I switched to DCHP). Also the default route is the old gateway ip
[00:09] <Zilenc3> I did what you suggested disconnect and reconnect via top right tray icon
[00:10] <pavlos> Zilenc3: maybe reboot the router to clear stale info
[00:11] <pavlos> Zilenc3: top right, there is a network symbol, I click wired connected, turn off, wait 1 sec, turn on, you should have an ip
[00:36] <troy_cambridge> OK  I figured it out.  Thanks
[00:39] <asdfgh> hello
[00:39] <asdfgh> i get this error https://bpa.st/YEVA after apt update / apt dist-upgrade
[00:39] <asdfgh> Errors were encountered while processing: grub-efi-amd64-signed
[00:50] <TJ-> asdfgh: possibly you can recreate the fault outside of update-grub to gain more clues as to the cause, using "sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-efi-amd64-signed"
[00:53] <asdfgh> TJ-, /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: grub-efi-amd64-signed is broken or not fully installed
[00:53] <asdfgh> can i just remove it ?
[00:54] <TJ-> asdfgh: ok, then try "sudo dpkg --configure grub-efi-amd64-signed"
[00:54] <TJ-> reconfigure doesn't work if the package has not been previously configured
[00:55] <asdfgh> TJ-, back
[00:55] <asdfgh> did you write anything ?
[00:57] <asdfgh> now i have
[00:57] <asdfgh> https://bpa.st/KD4A
[00:59] <TJ-> asdfgh: ok, then try "sudo dpkg --configure grub-efi-amd64-signed"
[00:59] <TJ-> reconfigure doesn't work if the package has not been previously configured
[01:01] <asdfgh> TJ-, https://bpa.st/P73Q
[01:02] <TJ-> asdfgh: I'm looking at the post-install script which is called and it is pretty simple but not clear where it is erroring  https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2-signed/tree/debian/grub-efi-amd64-signed.postinst?h=ubuntu/focal-proposed
[01:03] <TJ-> asdfgh: does this file exist: "ls -l /usr/share/grub/grub-check-signatures "
[01:04] <asdfgh> TJ-, -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3539 Sep  8 12:22 /usr/share/grub/grub-check-signatures
[01:04] <TJ-> asdfgh: ok and how about "ls -l /usr/lib/grub/grub-multi-install"
[01:05] <asdfgh> TJ-, -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 11895 Sep  8 12:23 /usr/lib/grub/grub-multi-install
[01:05] <TJ-> if either of those is not executable that could cause an error, else the script should do "exit 0" not 1 as your paste shows
[01:06] <asdfgh> WHAT CAN I DO TJ- ?
[01:06] <asdfgh> ops pardon the caps
[01:06] <TJ-> asdfgh: that's what I was wondering!
[01:07] <TJ-> asdfgh: I'm guessing one of those commands is returning a non-0 exit code
[01:07] <TJ-> asdfgh: so let's run them manually and find out: "sudo /usr/share/grub/grub-check-signatures; echo $?"
[01:08] <asdfgh> 0
[01:08] <TJ-> asdfgh: so that is OK
[01:09] <TJ-> asdfgh: " sudo /usr/lib/grub/grub-multi-install --target=x86_64-efi; echo $? "
[01:09] <TJ-> you should see some messages then the exit code on the last line
[01:09] <asdfgh> 1
[01:09] <TJ-> aha
[01:09] <asdfgh> just 1
[01:09] <TJ-> can you pastebin the messages if any?
[01:11] <asdfgh> what messages? there are no messagesd
[01:11] <asdfgh> just 1
[01:11] <asdfgh> https://bpa.st/NK5A :)
[01:12] <TJ-> asdfgh: now we need to enable bash shell command echoing so we can find out which line in that shell script fails. "sudo bash -x -c '/usr/lib/grub/grub-multi-install --target=x86_64-efi' | tee /tmp/grub.log "
[01:13] <asdfgh> TJ-, https://bpa.st/XIYQ
[01:17] <TJ-> asdfgh: bah, I got that wrong!
[01:18] <asdfgh> CAN I JUST REMOVE THAT PACKAGE?
[01:18] <asdfgh> grrr... pardon again
[01:18] <TJ-> asdfgh: no, it's rather essential!
[01:21] <asdfgh> grrr
[01:21] <asdfgh> however "update-grub" works without problems
[01:22] <TJ-> they do different things
[01:23] <asdfgh> i found the issue that seems related to ESP flag
[01:23] <TJ-> the 'install' is supposed to write the GRUB core image grubx64.efi into the EFI-SP
[01:23] <TJ-> is /boot/grub/efi/EFI/ correctly mounted?
[01:24] <asdfgh> TJ-, how can i check it?
[01:25] <TJ-> asdfgh: "mount | grep efi"
[01:25] <asdfgh> no
[01:25] <asdfgh> it is not mounted
[01:25] <TJ-> you'll see something like /dev/nvme0n1p1 on /boot/efi type vfat
[01:25] <TJ-> ok that is the problem
[01:25] <TJ-> so you need to figure out why, and correct it
[01:26] <TJ-> is there an entry for it in /etc/fstab ?
[01:26] <asdfgh> i really have no clues for it
[01:26] <asdfgh> let me check
[01:26] <TJ-> asdfgh: "grep efi /etc/fstab"
[01:26] <asdfgh> nothing
[01:26] <TJ-> that's the problem then. Where did that go?
[01:27] <TJ-> have you been editing fstab recently?
[01:27] <asdfgh> no absolutly, it is a dedicated web server with preintsalled ubuntu 20.04
[01:27] <TJ-> hmmm
[01:28] <asdfgh> fstab https://bpa.st/423Q
[01:28] <TJ-> asdfgh: what does "sudo blkid" report?
[01:28] <asdfgh> https://bpa.st/TUIQ
[01:29] <TJ-> asdfgh: I think the problem here is that the system is installed to start in BIOS mode, not EFI, but somehow you've managed to start it, or install, the EFI packages. There is no sign of an EFI System partition
[01:30] <jjbuggle> I feel like Ubuntu (im technically on xubuntu) handles memory poorly.  Is there a way to file a bug about that?  ubuntu-bug wants a specific package
[01:30] <TJ-> jjbuggle: in what way does it handle memory poorly?
[01:33] <jjbuggle> TJ-: well, several ways.  The default install (18.04) gave me way too little swap, without giving me any option to change that.  Next, firefox seems to leak memory, and given that it uses huge amounts of memory in the first place, it leaks a lot of memory.  Next, my system seems to try and allocate memory to firefox, even though there isn't any left.  Next, the system doesn't give you any warning at all when you are about to run out of m
[01:33] <jjbuggle> emory.  Next, my system just locks up swapping.  Usually it comes back after awhile, but this last time, I just hard reset my computer after at least 20 minutes of swapping.
[01:34] <asdfgh> TJ-,
[01:34] <asdfgh> had problem with IRC
 asdfgh: what does "sudo blkid" report?
 https://bpa.st/TUIQ
[01:34] <asdfgh> last messages i have seen
[01:34] <TJ-> asdfgh: I think the problem here is that the system is installed to start in BIOS mode, not EFI, but somehow you've managed to start it, or install, the EFI packages. There is no sign of an EFI System partition
[01:35] <TJ-> jjbuggle: swap size for a partition is usually set to the amount of RAM + a bit (to accomodate hibernation images) . If firefox is leaing memory that is a bug against firefox package
[01:36] <asdfgh> TJ-, ok so i can remove that package?
[01:36] <TJ-> jjbuggle: locking up whilst swapping is expected; you need to alter the swapiness value for the kernel and consider OOM (out of memory) config options.
[01:36] <TJ-> asdfgh: yes - but you should figure out how and why it got installed
[01:37] <TJ-> asdfgh: what does "apt list --installed grub*" report ?
[01:37] <jjbuggle> TJ-: its all the things.  But I would rather have this in a bug, so I don't have to type this out over and over.  Fwiw, I have 12g ram.  Installer game me 1g swap.  Somehow that later changed to 2g, I don't know how.  When I set things up manually, I would do 1-2x of ram
[01:37] <TJ-> jjbuggle: is it using a swapfile rather than a partition?
[01:38] <jjbuggle> TJ-: I don't think locking up while swapping is something that _should_ be expected
[01:38] <TJ-> jjbuggle: if memory is being paged constantly to the storage device then there is bound to be I/O delays
[01:38] <TJ-> asdfgh: what does "apt list --installed grub*" report ?
[01:39] <asdfgh> i do not know what happen on my pc
[01:39] <asdfgh> i get no connection to monitor
[01:39] <jjbuggle> TJ-: all it's done in the past is just kill some random part of firefox to get more ram.  Why can't it do that more quickly?  I can reinstall the entire ubuntu system in the time it takes.  And why not just tell firefox no when it asks for too much memory?
[01:40] <TJ-> jjbuggle: I've used Firefox extensively for years. In my experience it isn't a leak it's a web-application (Javascript) that is sucking up memory - figure out which one is doing it
[01:41] <TJ-> jjbuggle: presumably you've lots of tabs open in FF and Javascript running in most
[01:41] <jjbuggle> I just want to file a bug report.  It's all the things I mentioned.  Even if what you say is true, it shouldn't crash my system
[01:41] <asdfgh> TJ-, https://bpa.st/TALA
[01:42] <TJ-> jjbuggle: as I said, you said FF is leaking, so report against that
[01:42] <jjbuggle> windoz figured this out in the 90s by having a dynamic swap file
[01:42] <asdfgh> TJ-, my pc has some problem too... i get black screen...
[01:42] <asdfgh> i do not know the reason
[01:42] <asdfgh> something like "no signal" from monitor
[01:42] <asdfgh> i do not know
[01:42] <asdfgh> i must restart
[01:42] <asdfgh> everytime
[01:42] <asdfgh> https://bpa.st/TALA <--- installed packages
[01:43] <TJ-> asdfgh: all the installed GRUB packages are for EFI so do not remove anything - I think you have some major problem on that system if the EFI system partition is missing with no mention of it. Did you move the SSD from one system to another?
[01:43] <asdfgh> no TJ-
[01:44] <asdfgh> just the defautl config of the server
[01:44] <asdfgh> with ubuntu 20.04 installed
[01:44] <asdfgh> fresh install
[01:44] <TJ-> asdfgh: then I cannot see how that would even boot!
[01:45] <TJ-> asdfgh: your previous pastes did not show an EFI system partition and there is no mention of one in the fstab either, but the only GRUB packages installed are for EFI mode
[01:45] <asdfgh> what about if i reinstall grub
[01:45] <asdfgh> remove everything and reinstall
[01:47] <TJ-> asdfgh: I'm not sure it will help - if this is a fresh install that you have not tinkered with then I cannot think of any explanation for how it could get in this situation, apparently booted in BIOS mode but with only GRUB EFI packages installed, but no EFI-SP
[01:47] <asdfgh> grrrrrrrrrrrr
[01:48] <asdfgh> what is happening to my ubuntu 20.04
[01:48] <asdfgh> i get black screen
[01:48] <asdfgh> very often
[01:48] <TJ-> asdfgh: what does "lsb_release -a" report ?
[01:48] <TJ-> asdfgh: on the server
[01:48] <TJ-> because eveything I'm seeing does NOT look like the result of the Ubuntu installer
[01:51] <asdfgh> TJ-, how can i check what is causing the black screen on my pc? (not server)
[01:51] <asdfgh> i need to reboot everytime!!
[01:53] <Bashing-om> asdfgh: "TJ-> asdfgh: what does "lsb_release -a" report ? on the server" The last request in channel.
[01:53]  * TJ- thinks someone tinkers too much
[01:56] <asdfgh65> Tj-
[01:56] <asdfgh65> I really can't chat
[01:56] <asdfgh65> Black screen
[01:56] <asdfgh65> Now I am on mobile
[01:56] <asdfgh65> Something like no signal I do not know
[01:57] <asdfgh65> Cant work on server right now because of those problem on my pc
[01:57] <asdfgh65> I think I have to reinstall ubuntu
[01:58] <asdfgh65> Sorry thanks you for your help
[02:15] <jjbuggle> anyone know a safe way to increase swap or make a new swap file?  It looks like dd is the suggested command, but I have very little experience with dd
[02:17] <rfm> jjbuggle, mkswap is the way (whatever recommended dd is not to be trusted)
[02:19] <jjbuggle> well, I actually just did it with dd.  I used mkswap as well, but I guess I'm done.  Thanks!
[02:20] <jjbuggle> fwiw, man mkswap is where I grabbed the version of dd command that I used
[02:21] <tds> make sure you set sensible permissions on it as well
[02:21] <tds> a swapfile that everyone can read is no good
[02:21] <jjbuggle> I used this page as the main guide: https://askubuntu.com/questions/927854/how-do-i-increase-the-size-of-swapfile-without-removing-it-in-the-terminal
[02:21] <jjbuggle> good?
[02:22] <tds> what does `ls -l /swapfile` output?
[02:22] <rfm> jjbuggle, ah, ok.  I guess dd is ok (I always used "fallocate" to set up the space)
[02:23] <jjbuggle> tds: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FK4rR4k3Vs/
[02:23] <tds> looks good :)
[02:24] <jjbuggle> awesome, thanks  :)
[03:51] <lotuspsychje> !info inxi
[07:29] <asdfgh> TJ-, are you there?
[07:48] <asdfgh> guys i have a problem in my server i noticed that after reboot nginx does not start automatically but when i run /etc/init.d/nginx start
[07:48] <asdfgh> it works as expected
[07:48] <asdfgh> why?
[07:56] <DanDev> When i use : ss -4 its shows me all IPv4 and IPv6 Socket Connection. What does ip_adress:domain mean? ususaly it shows port.
[07:59] <TJ-> DanDev: :domain means port :53 e.g. DNS - it comes from /etc/services
[08:00] <TJ-> DanDev: as "man ss" shows -n means 'do not resolve service names' so 'ss -n' would show the port numbers
[08:04] <asdfgh> i try adding network-online.target in [Unit]
[08:04] <asdfgh> and want
[08:04] <asdfgh> Wants
[08:05] <asdfgh> hi TJ- !!! pardon for yesterday, i do not know what happen
[08:05] <asdfgh> i see black screen often, the pc does not reboot, just blackscreen
[08:05] <asdfgh> something like no signal problem
[08:05] <asdfgh> but whne i restart i can see the monitor again -_-
[08:06] <asdfgh> i do not know what happen in my local ubuntu 20.04
[08:06] <asdfgh> (regarding the server with grub efi problem....i tried to reboot and it works!!)
[08:06] <asdfgh> i have these packages installed https://bpa.st/NQAQ
[08:09] <asdfgh> ok so network-online.target did the work! now nginx starts after reboot
[08:09] <DanDev> TJ: What does that mean if there is a IP from Singapure listed?
[08:13] <TJ-> asdfgh: sounds like you had gremlins
[08:13] <TJ-> DanDev: that there's a connection to Singapore?
[08:14] <asdfgh> TJ-, what can i check?
[08:15] <asdfgh> however for nginx network-online.target worked
[08:15] <DanDev> TJ: But what does that mean? My DNS is german
[08:16] <TJ-> DanDev: that your system is connecting to a DNS server in singapore ?
[08:18] <neure> hi
[08:19] <neure> what shell command would do the same as turning a specific VPN on?
[08:19] <TJ-> neure: depends on how the network VPN is managed. If it is a desktop then 'nmcli con'
[08:20] <neure> yeah
[08:21] <neure> worked, thanks!
[08:27] <asdfgh> TJ-, are there any log to check what happen ?
[08:27] <asdfgh> i mean....why the screen becames back with no signal
[08:27] <asdfgh> if there was a problem with cable or other things
[08:27] <asdfgh> after the reset i should have the same problem again
[08:27] <asdfgh> but no
[08:28] <asdfgh> if i do an hard-reboot
[08:28] <asdfgh> i can see the output in monitor
[08:28] <asdfgh> so i do not think is a problem of cable or hardware
[08:33] <asdfgh> TJ-, where should i add those directives: net.ipv4.ip_nonlocal_bind = 1 net.ipv6.ip_nonlocal_bind = 1
[08:38] <asdfgh> found https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-bind-ip-that-doesnt-exist-with-net-ipv4-ip_nonlocal_bind/
[08:41] <The_LoudSpeaker> hey! installed ubuntu 18.04 on laptop, ethernet isn't working. but wifi is. Forgot to select 3rd party drivers but did a sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall and still the same scenario. only ethernet doesn't work
[08:42] <The_LoudSpeaker> any suggestions as to what to do?
[08:43] <lotuspsychje> The_LoudSpeaker: wich chipset is that
[08:45] <The_LoudSpeaker> let me check.
[08:45] <The_LoudSpeaker> lspci -vv will have it?
[08:46] <lotuspsychje> The_LoudSpeaker: or sudo lshw -C network
[08:54] <OEIRAS> hi
[08:54] <OEIRAS> i have an issue with a set of bose headphones. My issue is that on ubuntu, the sound on them is really low
[08:54] <OEIRAS> and it is annoying because I want to listen to music/sound at a higher volume
[08:55] <OEIRAS> is there a way to fix this?
[08:55] <OEIRAS> This only seems to happen on my Bose headphones
[08:58] <The_LoudSpeaker> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9SV85S86wN/
[08:59] <lotuspsychje> The_LoudSpeaker: ok, so its the realtek eth not picking up right?
[09:00] <The_LoudSpeaker> yup
[09:01] <lotuspsychje> The_LoudSpeaker: wich kernel version are you, is your system up to date?
[09:05] <The_LoudSpeaker> yeah its uptodate 18.04 system
[09:06] <lotuspsychje> The_LoudSpeaker: uname -a
[09:07] <The_LoudSpeaker> 5.4 kernel
[09:07] <The_LoudSpeaker> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cVV9nWZx4H/
[09:10] <OEIRAS> help!!!
[09:12] <The_LoudSpeaker> !patience | OEIRAS
 i have an issue with a set of bose headphones. My issue is that on ubuntu, the sound on them is really low
 and it is annoying because I want to listen to music/sound at a higher volume
[09:14] <OEIRAS> * Birosso has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
 is there a way to fix this?
 This only seems to happen on my Bose h
[09:14] <jelly> you said that not 20 minutes ago.  It's still on my screen, OEIRAS
[09:15] <TJ-> The_LoudSpeaker: in what way is Ethernet not working?
[09:15] <OEIRAS> jelly, which is a long time in Portuguese time
[09:16] <jelly> this is not a .pt channel.
[09:16] <OEIRAS> I wrote the question in English
[09:17] <TJ-> OEIRAS: there may not be anyone here that understands the issue AND has time to respond
[09:24] <The_LoudSpeaker> TJ-: the ethernet wasn't even detected
[09:24] <The_LoudSpeaker> I found that installing official drivers from realtek might help
[09:25] <The_LoudSpeaker> so I just did that
[09:25] <The_LoudSpeaker> now rebooting
[09:25] <The_LoudSpeaker> will keep you posted if it works
[09:26] <mouses> dying over here and cannot figure this out - 18.04 install on a digital ocean droplet - https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zPWWx5nw7r/
[09:29] <The_LoudSpeaker> OEIRAS: bluetooth headphones usually give a bit of a problem in linux tbh. But you can try pavu. "sudo apt install pavu" in terminal and then launching the app named pulseaudio volume control and then tweaking in there might help.
[09:29] <The_LoudSpeaker> mouses: you can try sudo apt update && sudo apt install --fix-broken --fix-missing
[09:31] <mouses> The_LoudSpeaker: no change, sadly :(
[09:32] <The_LoudSpeaker> then a sudo apt autoremove --purge before that perhaps? mouses
[09:35] <mouses> The_LoudSpeaker: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tcknyB75WN/
[09:40] <bisickcor> if i update then install some new package , and then upgrade will it break the deps
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> The_LoudSpeaker: got it working?
[11:23] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:29] <sick_boy> hi
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> welcome sick_boy
[11:32] <sick_boy> thank you @lotuspsychje
[11:32] <lotuspsychje> how can we help you today sick_boy
[11:33] <sick_boy> not needing help at the moment, thanks for asking. just joined the channel to help others.
[11:34] <lotuspsychje> great
[12:20] <ryusaku> On my ubuntu 20.04 installation through proxmox, I have added a interface. It shows up as ens19. On boot, it is down. I have to manually do sudo ip link set ens19 up, and i have to manually do sudo dhclient ens19. How can I make this default behavior of this interface?
[12:22] <ryusaku> sudo nano /etc/netplan/00-installer-config.yaml  ?
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> ryusaku: are you on ubuntu server?
[12:23] <ryusaku> yes
[12:23] <ddubya> I just upgraded to 20.04 and now I'm getting connection timeouts with snap, any ideas
[12:24] <lotuspsychje> ryusaku: you might wanna visit #ubuntu-server, but you will prob have more luck on monday, sundays not too much action
[12:26] <ddubya> curl https://api.snapcraft.io works
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> !netplan | ryusaku see also
[12:26] <ryusaku> lotuspsychje : adding the second interface in 00-installer-config.yaml worked :) thanks
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> ah great ryusaku
[12:29] <ddubya> related question, does anyone know why privoxy seems to drop certain https requests and others are fine
[12:41] <ddubya> snap times out after exactly 40s which seems short
[12:44] <ddubya> wow it is privoxy again.... why privoxy why?
[12:57] <The_LoudSpeaker> lotuspsychje: no idea, it was a friend's system, I sent him the instructions, he followed and rebooted but then he said ethernet was connecting but getting disconnected automatically. somemhow. we checked and made sure that the official driver module was loaded in system and used. everything seemed fine
[12:57] <The_LoudSpeaker> don't know if he got it working after that
[13:05] <vlm> is it possible to set some permission on a folder so that all files and folders created inside that folder will be owned by a spesific user?
[13:20] <ddubya> vlm, look at setgid bit. https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-use-special-permissions-the-setuid-setgid-and-sticky-bits
[13:23] <ddubya> vlm, that is for group permission however. what you want doesn't make much sense, would take ownership away from the creator
[13:23] <vlm> ddubya: yeah i tried it sometime ago didnt work quite,but thanks though (,")
[13:24] <ddubya> it would be like setuid bit, but appearently doesn't work for directories
[13:24] <vlm> ddubya: ill give it another go though,yeah i did some light reading i think that was what i got from it aswell
[13:25] <ddubya> the solution is to run the service that creates the file as the user you want to own them
[13:26] <ddubya> not always possible to do, also most file servers have a setuid option
[13:29] <ferz> Hi.
[13:29] <ferz> How can I disable touch pad events?
[13:29] <ferz> I've a Sony SVF1521G1EW/VAIO, BIOS R0200DA (03/26/2013) I'm on ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS (Focal Fossa).
[13:30] <vlm> ddubya: yeah just sometimes i forget and use root user to create files with sudo,nice if i could have it just automagically be chown back to regular user =)
[13:30] <ferz> Fn-F1 doesn't work, it has never worked on Linux.
[13:32] <ferz> If Linux cannot intercept bios Fn-F1 to disable touchpad, can I stop touchpad service or can I drop its driver?
[13:33] <ledeni> ferz: witch DE and version of ?
[13:39] <ledeni> ferz : settings --mouse & touchpad disable touchpad
[13:55] <ferz> ledeni: ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS (Focal Fossa)
[13:56] <ferz> ledeni: which is the cmd line to disable touchpad and leave usb mouse working?
[13:58] <ledeni> ferz: just open settings go to mouse & touchpad and disable touchpad
[14:01] <ferz> ledeni: thank you
[14:02] <ledeni> ferz: you're welcome
[14:03] <ferz> ledeni: now I've to discover how "settings" have been translated in ubuntu-mate :D
[14:03] <ferz> I hate translations :-/
[14:12] <ledeni> ferz: run in terminal 'gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.peripherals.touchpad send-events disabled-on-external-mouse'
[14:27] <matkor> Hi what is arduino package present in Ubuntu 20.04 ?   It installs arduino IDE but in version 2:1.0.5.   On https://www.arduino.cc recent is 1.8.13 :/
[14:29] <ioria> matkor, snap find arduino
[14:29] <matkor> ioria: So package is very old 1.0.5 version?
[14:31] <ioria> matkor, you can use the more recent one with snap
[14:36] <tomreyn> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=arduino
[14:41] <DWSR> Hey all, I'm having an issue with getting Bluetooth working properly on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS. The BT chip in question is a combo WiFi/BT Realtek RTL8821AE. When using a Bluetooth headset, I can get A2DP mode working correctly, but I can't get HSP/HFP mode working, meaning I can't access the microphone. Any thoughts?
[14:49] <jelly> DWSR, I've seen something similar with 18.04 + 5.4 hwe kernel; trying to switch the device to HSP/HFP a couple times repeatedly and eventually it succeeded, for no good reason
[14:49] <jeremy31> DWSR: Actually I have no idea.  I tested my Sony BT headphones on Ubuntu and was able to switch audio profiles easily
[14:50] <DWSR> It looks like the FW for my BT card is missing? Seeing this in dmesg: [    8.912421] bluetooth hci0: Direct firmware load for rtl_bt/rtl8821a_config.bin failed with error -2
[14:50] <mgedmin> any interesting error messages in journalctl around the time you try to switch profiles?
[14:51] <DWSR> mgedmin: Nope
[14:51] <DWSR> I assume you mean in bluetoothd journal?
[14:51] <jelly> DWSR, is there anything in /lib/firmware/rtl_bt/ dir at all?
[14:51] <mgedmin> oh, does it have a separate log file?
[14:52] <mgedmin> apt-file search rtl8821a_config.bin says there's no package shipping that file
[14:52] <DWSR> jelly: Yes.
[14:53] <DWSR> I keep seeing mention of a package called "firmware-realtek", but that's not available for Focal
[14:53] <mgedmin> I thought pulseaudio was responsible for dealing with BT audio profiles
[14:53] <juliandroske> it's from kernel package
[14:53] <juliandroske> you can download kernels from ubuntu mainline page, with modules and firmware
[14:54] <mgedmin> I've had some snags from time to time, but switching between A2DP and HSP/HFP and back would usually make things work...
[14:54] <DWSR> mgedmin: How are you switching them? I'm trying to switch via blueman
[14:54] <juliandroske> https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[14:54] <jelly> DWSR, firmware-realtek is a package for Debian, Ubuntu seems to keep all of those in linux-firmware package
[14:54] <juliandroske> that's it
[14:55] <jeremy31> That rtl8821a_config.bin doesn't exist upstream in linux-firmware either
[14:57] <DWSR> I've been staring at this for a little bit and part of the problem is that I keep running into instructions for e.g. 16.04 or 14.04, which clearly don't apply. :P
[14:57] <juliandroske> tried 20.04, but only find config.bin for rtl8821c
[14:58] <juliandroske> *found
[14:58] <DWSR> Interestingly, it appears that duplicating that file might work: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=893912
[14:59] <DWSR> Also `rtl8821a_fw.bin` exists in `/lib/firmware/rtl_bt`
[15:00] <jelly> it seems to be missing upstream... https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/rtl_bt
[15:01] <DWSR> Hrm, I'm going to try the suggested workaround in that bug
[15:01] <DWSR> brb
[15:01]  * jelly slow
[15:01] <mgedmin> DWSR: system preferences -> sound -> there's a dropdown
[15:01] <ace_me> Any hint to reduce -> systemd-analyze blame ... 2min 823ms ifupdown-pre.service
[15:01] <ace_me> journalctl -b0 _PID=1 | grep Failed
[15:01] <ace_me> oct 11 17:39:23 K123... systemd[1]: ifupdown-pre.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
[15:01] <ace_me> oct 11 17:39:23 K123... systemd[1]: Failed to start Helper to synchronize boot up for ifupdown.
[15:01] <ace_me> oct 11 17:39:23 K123... systemd[1]: apport-autoreport.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
[15:01] <ace_me> oct 11 17:39:23 K123... systemd[1]: Failed to start Process error reports when automatic reporting is enabled.
[15:02] <DWSR> mgedmin: Ah, yeah, I can "change" the option in that dropdown, but when I subsequently test the audio, it's still high quality (indicating it's still in A2DP mode)
[15:02] <mgedmin> huh, for me there's a very noticeable drop in quality
[15:03] <mgedmin> what happens if you select your BT headset as the input source?  it should switch to HSP automatically
[15:03] <jeremy31> DWSR: according to the source code the config.bin isn't needed
[15:03] <mgedmin> lol I tried to take a screenshot with alt-printscreen, and it screenshotted just the dropdown itself
[15:05] <DWSR> mgedmin: It's missing from the input source selection
[15:05] <DWSR> jeremy31: I believe you, but the logs tell a different story.
[15:06] <mgedmin> huh!
[15:06] <mgedmin> what's the headset?
[15:06] <DWSR> Anker Soundcore Life Q20
[15:06] <mgedmin> oh hey the file chooser in my chromium is missing all the icons
[15:07] <jeremy31> DWSR: It that file was really needed, the bluetooth wouldn't work at all
[15:07] <DWSR> jeremy31: Again, I believe you, but your statement and my reality are not in line
[15:08] <DWSR> Going to restart real quick
[15:08] <DWSR> See if copying that file over did the trick
[15:09] <DWSR> FWIW, `bluetoothctl` lists the appropriate BT modes for HSP/HFP support
[15:13] <gartt> Has anyone used a "vanilla"/public ubuntu version with a high-end Dell workstation? Like the Precision 5xxx or dual xeon 7920s? I know it's possible to throw Red Hat, Ubuntu, Suse enterprise, etc on them, but I've read that these are "tweaked" by the manufacturer to work well
[15:13] <DWSR> Welp, no change.
[15:13] <DWSR> Though the error message in `dmesg` is gone
[15:14] <DWSR> Anyway yeah, the headset microphone is missing from the Input dropdown in the Sound panel.
[15:14] <gartt> I was wondering how much "tweaking" they actually need to do and if the normal publicly downloadable ubuntu versions work out of box well enough
[15:15] <DWSR> Ah! Got it: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Bluetooth_headset#HFP_not_working_with_PulseAudio
[15:15] <DWSR> Apparently the Q20s only report as HFP, not HSP.
[16:05] <funnybunny2> Is the new version out now?
[16:05] <funnybunny2> 20.04
[16:06] <funnybunny2> Also, want to know if the installer supports full disk encryption.
[16:08] <mgedmin> 20.04 has been out for almost 6 months now
[16:08] <mgedmin> 20.10 will be out by the end of this month
[16:08] <mgedmin> the installer supports full-disk encryption
[16:09] <mgedmin> (at least if you don't try to install side-by-side with another OS)
[16:11] <random1> Hello I am on Ubuntu 20.04 and everytime I type a sudo command i get feedback that says "sudo: unable to resolve host localhost.localdomain: Name or service not known". It doesnt effect my sudo commands and they execute with no problem but I am curious why I keep seeing this pop up every time and how to stop it.
[16:12] <tomreyn> and you did a web search on it?
[16:15] <mgedmin> random1: what does the hosts: line in /etc/nsswitch.conf look like?
[16:15] <DWSR> mgedmin: Big asterisk on "the installer supports full-disk encryption"
[16:15] <mgedmin> mine is 'hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mymachines'
[16:15] <DWSR> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019
[16:16] <mgedmin> DWSR: that's a guide from 2019?
[16:16] <DWSR> Matches my experience using the 20.04 installer, though
[16:16] <random1> 1 moment let me pastebin
[16:16] <tomreyn> the above guide is on how to encrypt as much as possible. what the desktop installer does is to encrypt the root file system
[16:17] <DWSR> ^^
[16:17] <mgedmin> I went through it two days ago?  select LVM, check [x] encrypt entire disk, type password, done
[16:17] <tomreyn> full-disk-encryption is a bit of a misnomer.
[16:17] <DWSR> mgedmin: I did it last week. I know which boxes you're referring to, they don't do what they say they do.
[16:18] <mgedmin> yes, okay, they leave /boot and /boot/EFI not encrypted
[16:18] <random1> https://pastebin.com/CdSng2xK mgedmin
[16:18] <DWSR> Which is literally not "full disk encryption"
[16:18] <mgedmin> I don't have any secret files in either of those partitions
[16:18] <random1> also my /etc/hosts is https://pastebin.com/DE9rnCv2
[16:18] <random1> mgedmin
[16:18] <mgedmin> and I don't think it's even possible to encrypt the EFI partition?
[16:19] <mgedmin> random1: weird
[16:19] <random1> mgedmin: Yeah im lost on this one -_-
[16:19] <mgedmin> random1: by which I meen: everything looks normal, why would sudo fail to resolve the hostname
[16:19] <random1> Not sure. The sudo commands go through no problem but i get that message popping up every single time
[16:20] <DWSR> Anyway, regardless of what the installer claims to support, any kind of non-default disk partitioning is much easier to do ahead of time instead of relying on the installer.
[16:23] <random1> mgedmin: Any clue on what to do? o.O
[16:23] <mgedmin> random1: debug!
[16:23] <mgedmin> random1: is it just sudo that has the problem?  what happens if you do `host localhost.localdomain`?
[16:23] <mgedmin> random1: what happens if you do `getent hosts localhost.localdomain`
[16:23] <mgedmin> random1: what does `hostname` output?  `hostname -f`?
[16:24] <random1> mgedmin: Only sudo does it.
[16:24] <random1> mgedmin: it outputs localhost.localdomain
[16:26] <mgedmin> for me `host localhost.localdomain` outputs https://termbin.com/uxnb
[16:26] <mgedmin> meanwhile `getent hosts localhost.localdomain` produces `::1             localhost.localdomain`
[16:27] <random1> mgedmin: Yeah im unsure whats going on. A bit baffled on this
[16:27] <mgedmin> random1: what does `hostname` output?  `hostname -f`?
[16:28] <random1> localhost.localdomain
[16:28] <mgedmin> both?
[16:29] <mgedmin> maybe you do need to adjust your /etc/hosts to have 127.0.1 localhost localhost.localdomain
[16:29] <mgedmin> anyway, what's in your /etc/hostname?
[16:31] <random1> mgedmin: https://pastebin.com/8xh16DPb
[16:32] <mgedmin> that's /etc/hosts
[16:32] <mgedmin> I asked about /etc/hostname
[16:33] <random1> oh 1 moment sorry
[16:34] <random1> localhost
[16:34] <random1> mgedmin
[16:34] <mgedmin> interesting
[16:36] <mgedmin> can't reproduce your sudo troubles in lxd
[16:37] <ikonia> that's not a standard host file
[16:37] <mgedmin> a hostname of 'localhost' is weird; your /etc/hosts indicates that it used to be 'user'
[16:37] <ikonia> this is also no localhost.localdomain entry so it will never resolve
[16:37] <random1> -_-  not sure. above my pay grade on this matter
[16:37] <mgedmin> so the thing about that is I also have no localhost.localdomain entry in my /etc/hosts, but it resolves just fine
[16:38] <ikonia> I suspect because of the resolver suffix
[16:38] <ikonia> if you did ping localhost.localdomain does it resolve ?
[16:39] <random1> it goes through
[16:39] <ikonia> so what happens if you do 'sudo cat /etc/hosts'
[16:39] <random1> https://pastebin.com/XNwd8mLz
[16:40] <ikonia> it's resolving the ipv6 address
[16:40] <random1> https://pastebin.com/aXLFgFF1
[16:41] <ikonia> so that's working fine
[16:41] <ikonia> what's the problem ?
[16:42] <random1> not sure what this is but i exited sudo and i got https://pastebin.com/UFzhBE32  . Not sure if its relevant
[16:42] <mgedmin> you had a vim process backgrounded
[16:42] <ikonia> not really, suggests you where backgrounding some stuff in your shell that terminated
[16:42] <ikonia> not sure why you're 'root' though
[16:43] <random1> Im a bit of a newb with this so im not sure either lol...
[16:43] <mgedmin> sudo
[16:43] <ikonia> who do you login to this machine as ?
[16:43] <ikonia> (what's the username)
[16:43] <random1> codelife
[16:43] <nhkays> fg will foregound processes
[16:43] <ikonia> random1: so why are you 'root' if you login as 'codelife'
[16:44] <random1> ikonia: i was in "sudo su"
[16:44] <ikonia> why did you do that ?
[16:44] <ikonia> and if you did that - why are you typing sudo commands, you're root alreadu
[16:44] <ikonia> already
[16:44] <random1> I thought i was supposed to. Im a bit green to linux
[16:44] <ikonia> ok - so if you're new, never use 'sudo su'
[16:44] <ikonia> ever
[16:45] <random1> I created a second user for security purposes. I was reading that I should have a second user from my main one
[16:46] <ikonia> why ?
[16:46] <ikonia> what securty problem does having a second user fix ?
[16:46] <random1> some manual i read online. not sure. something about keeping malicious code away from root
[16:46] <ikonia> you shouldn't be root - ever
[16:46] <ikonia> hence why I asked who you logged in as and why you did 'sudo su'
[16:47] <random1> When i installed ubuntu my first user was "anonymous" and then i created "codelife" and never use "anonymous"
[16:47] <random1> let me show u the guide that i seen that said about that one moment
[16:48] <mgedmin> yeah, why use sudo su when there's sudo -s? ;)
[16:49] <random1> I didnt know haha. Whats the difference?
[16:49] <random1> https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-linux-hardening-security-tips-a-comprehensive-checklist/
[16:50] <random1> at #15 was where i got that idea from
[16:55] <mgedmin> #15 is implemented by default on ubuntu: the root account has no password and you're supposed to use sudo
[16:56] <random1> I got you
[16:56] <random1> learned something today :)
[16:56] <mgedmin> that guide is full of slightly weird statements, I wouldn't trust it too much
[16:57] <random1> also for some reason im not getting that error anymore
[16:57] <random1> o.O
[16:59] <mgedmin> you fixed it! :)
[16:59] <mgedmin> protip: install etckeeper
[17:00] <mgedmin> it'll keep a history of all the changes made to /etc (daily commits from cron + every time you install or upgrade anything with apt)
[17:00] <ikonia> that guide is terrible
[17:00] <mgedmin> when something mysteriously breaks (or mysteriously gets fixed), it can be useful to look at config file changes
[17:00] <random1> mgedmin: lol i dont know how i fixed it but ok :p
[17:27] <sunrunner20> spreading this around, hopefully somebody knows: why does my smokeping install look like this: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407265509931745281/764900488025997322/unknown.png
[17:29] <mgedmin> lol how A2DP won't work on my headset (but HFP works)
[17:34] <mgedmin> eventual success (turned off headset, turned on headset, couldn't reconnect, had to pair again; wtf)
[17:57] <leibniz[m]> Anyone can explain this scary error while updating a package? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FZdgwJzdXk/
[17:59] <ferz> ledeni: thank you
[18:01] <ferz> ledeni: but 'gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.peripherals.touchpad send-events disabled-on-external-mouse' doesn't disable laptop touchpad yet.
[18:03] <hackinghorn> hi
[18:03] <hackinghorn> I cannot find my ubuntu software center anymore :/
[18:08] <mgedmin> leibniz[m]: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ap-pkg-diversions.html describes the dpkg-divert mechanism
[18:08] <mgedmin> leibniz[m]: but basically it looks like there was a bug in the maintainer script in whatever PPA gave you your vim package
[18:09] <mgedmin> leibniz[m]: and it looks like the upgraded version had that bug fixed, so it's all fine in the end
[18:16] <shay> hi guys, did anyone here tried a Dell Latitude 2020 model (Latitude **10) on ubuntu by any chance? I try to verify that Latitude 7410 will work well for me
[18:25] <leibniz[m]> mgedmin: thanks
[18:25] <leibniz[m]> Just saw you message here :D
[18:35] <frib> how I can I use talk on ubuntu ?
[18:37] <Maik> frib: talk?
[18:38] <frib> man talk / sudo apt install talk talkd
[18:38] <frib> cant get it to work
[18:38] <mgedmin> mesg y?
[18:39] <frib> nope
[18:42] <frib> why do I get kex_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer when connecting through a port opened using ssh -R ?
[18:43] <ikonia> talk is long dead
[18:44] <frib> ok what is it replaced by
[18:44] <mgedmin> maybe nothing is listening on the port you're trying to tunnel
[18:44] <ikonia> frib: what are you actually trying to do, what's the end goal ?
[18:45] <frib> chat with other users on the same machine
[18:45] <frib> LISTEN   0        128            <IP_ADDRESS>:2557          <IP_ADDRESS>:*
[18:46] <ikonia> that's listening on locahost
[18:46] <frib> thats a different end goal
[18:46] <ikonia> you'd be better off setting up a small light weight chat server
[18:46] <ikonia> than using talk
[18:46] <frib> for an ssh reverse tunnel
[18:46] <frib> the port was in response to mgedmin
[18:57] <strive> frib: That looks like a TCP wrapper issue. Do you have anything set in your /etc/hosts.allow or /etc/hosts.deny files?
[18:59] <peter22222> Hi folks, when i want to log in to guest session, i get "could not update .ICEauthority file /run/user/999/ICEauthority". I googled it but didnt find much, just the information that it could be a kernel bug (2 years ago).
[19:03] <frib> strive, I assume you mean on the host I'm trying to connect to
[19:03] <frib> locally I dont have anything in hosts.allow or deny
[19:11] <strive> frib: Your remote system.
[19:11] <frib> its a raspberry pi
[19:12] <frib> those files havent been edited
[19:12] <frib> its an issue i've run into a long time ago trying to do ssh -R but don't remember the solution
[19:37] <strive> frib: So you're trying to setup a tunnel?
[19:38] <frib> strive, yes
[19:38] <strive> Look up remote forwarding.
[19:38] <frib> i usually use ssh -R
[19:54] <pavlos> frib: see pm
[19:55] <linuxnoob> nicole sucks big black cocks :)
[20:06] <frib> pavlos, I saw
[20:36] <peter22222> anybody has an idea how to solve that "could not update .ICEauthority file /run/user/999/ICEauthority" bug?
[20:45] <TheWild> hello
[20:45] <TheWild> is 2 GB not enough for Ubuntu Server 16.04.6 32-bit?
[20:45] <peter22222> probably not TheWild
[20:46] <TJ-> TheWild: for RAM or root file system?
[20:47] <TheWild> TJ-: for post-installation image.
[20:47] <TheWild> (that is, as a HDD. Root file system in other wods)
[20:48] <summonner> disk space is extremely cheap
[20:48] <TJ-> TheWild: well the container images are around 750MB minimum so add some space for kernel and headers and 1.2GB might be doable
[20:49] <TheWild> TJ-: actually the installation breaks but it doesn't tell explicitly that it is out of space
[20:49] <TheWild> trying with 4 GB
[20:49] <summonner> TheWild, why are you even jumping through those hoops? Even the Raspberry Pi recommends a minimum of 8GB
[20:50] <TJ-> TheWild: start with an LXD container image and add the kernel and GRUB :)
[20:50] <TheWild> ooh man. Actually I need to boot "headless" (the VGA cable is damaged) PC and the only "USB stick" I have at the moment is 2 GB SD card.
[20:51] <summonner> peter22222, did you find anything on DDG/google? Looks like a permissions issue?
[20:52] <peter22222> summonner yes i search google for hours
[20:52] <peter22222> but everythin I try doesnt work.
[20:53] <TheWild> TJ-: rather: Install on VM with 8 GB HDD; extract all the files, chroot, apt purge what's not needed, copy all the files to 2 GB SD card, grub install, grub update.
[20:53] <peter22222> I dont have an .ICEauthority file in my home folder
[20:53] <peter22222> which is the blueprint for the skel
[20:53] <TJ-> TheWild: sounds like a painful way to do it!
[20:53] <peter22222> i changed kernel to 5.8, then back to 4.18 .... nothing works
[20:54] <peter22222> i made a fresh install and enabled guest session... same issue...
[20:54] <peter22222> seems to be a bug
[20:54] <TJ-> TheWild: it takes about 5 minutes to create a container, add kernels and GRUB, and write it to a VM/USB image that can be booted
[20:54] <peter22222> i really dont know what i can do else but downgrade to 18.04
[20:54] <TJ-> peter22222: what's the issue you're stuck with?
[20:54] <summonner> peter22222, and you saw this advice, yes? https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1841457
[20:54] <peter22222> when i want to log in to guest session there is a message: "could not update .ICEauthority file /run/user/999/ICEauthority"
[20:55] <peter22222> TJ-
[20:55] <TheWild> I'm not into containers yet
[20:55] <TheWild> and knowing "mentality" of Linux, learning it will take more than 5 minutes.
[20:55] <TJ-> peter22222: ahhh, and is there a pre-existing /run/user/999? ?
[20:56] <summonner> peter22222, did you try logging in with a different shell choice at login?
[20:56] <peter22222> summonner: yes i know that.. but: I dont even have a file called .ICEauthority. I created one with touch and changed owner (though i was the owner already)
[20:56] <summonner> shell->desktop
[20:56] <peter22222> TJ- i made a fresh install... there should not be any pre-existing user... if i get you right...
[20:57] <peter22222> summonner... how can i do that? the dm is lightdm
[20:57] <peter22222> using mate
[20:57] <peter22222> using chsh /bin/bash $USER ?
[20:58] <summonner> peter22222, what's the chmod of the Iceauthority file?
[20:59] <peter22222> summonner since I created the file by "touch .ICEauthority" i am the owner (like peter:peter)
[20:59] <summonner> peter22222, is it 0600 ?
[21:00] <peter22222> the thing is i can log in as user "peter". the error message only comes when trying to login as guest user
[21:00] <peter22222> summonner I changed it even to 777 already
[21:00] <summonner> ooooof yeah for files that are responsible for Interprocess Communication, they don't like 777
[21:01] <peter22222> summonner well u see how desperate I am LOL
[21:01] <peter22222> this seems to be a bug after default installation
[21:01] <frib> i had someone connect to me and open a port using 'ssh -R PORT:localhost:22 them@me' and the port is listening for connections but I get an ssh error when trying to use the tunnel
[21:02] <peter22222> maybe it is a bug in MATE....
[21:02] <summonner> peter22222, I'm reading the best thing to do is to make sure all the X window sessions are shut-down (boot to single user mode) and then change the permissions of the file to  user:user and 0600
[21:02] <peter22222> i might try out gnome...
[21:03] <frib> "key_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer"
[21:04] <peter22222> thank you summonner.
[21:06] <summonner> frib, you're trying to do a tunnel? what exactly are you attempting to do?
[21:08] <TJ-> peter22222: when I was asking about the existence of /run/user/999/ I mean a directory - the '999' is the user ID and I'd expect that to be systemd-network or similar user, so that'd explain why the guest user account might be failing
[21:09] <TJ-> peter22222: user IDs below 1000 are by convetion 'system' service accounts not 'real' users. I'm not sure how the guest account is supposed to be handled though
[21:09] <TJ-> peter22222: find out which user with "getent passwd 999"
[21:10] <peter22222> TJ- thank you.. well then I am wondering why the guest session tries to use the UID 999....
[21:10] <peter22222> ok hold on
[21:10] <TJ-> peter22222: maybe thats intended. user IDs on different systems might be different to the IDs on mine, although usually these system user IDs are chosen not to conflict and ares statically defined in each package
[21:11] <peter22222> TJ- indeed 999 is the guest-user!
[21:11] <TJ-> peter22222: interesting - I don't have a user ID for a guest user in passwd - using Xubuntu though
[21:12] <TJ-> peter22222: in which case you'd check the directory for any files NOT owned by that user with "sudo find /run/user/999 -not -user 999 -ls"
[21:12] <TJ-> peter22222: if there are some that could be the problem - they should be owned by that user and writable by that user too
[21:12] <peter22222> i ll run that now hold on
[21:15] <peter22222> TJ- since I had to log out to guest session due to the lack of sudo privileges of the guest account, i did the command "sudo find /run/user/999 -not -user 999 -ls": file or directory doesnt exist
[21:16] <peter22222> so the guest session creates a user with UID 999 which is already blockd or non readable...
[21:16] <peter22222> really strange... this error is showing up and when i click "close" it takes 2 Minutes then i have a desktop
[21:17] <peter22222> in guest session
[21:29] <TJ-> peter22222: /run/ is a tmpfs in RAM only, and yes we'd expect the /run/user/999/ directory to be created and removed on login/logout - start a guest session nd let te error occur then switch to another VT with Alt+Ctrl+F3 login as your regular 'sudo-power' user, then re-run that sudo find ... command whilst the guest user is active
[21:31] <peter22222> ok
[21:34] <peter22222> TJ- ok now it s getting really strange..: i switched to another TTY, logged in as my normal user with sudo privileges. put in the command that you gave me: "not authorized"... ok then i did "sudo su" to become root user... did the same command and: AGAIN: "not authorized"
[21:34] <peter22222> as root user!??
[21:34] <TJ-> peter22222: "not authorised" sounds like something coming from sudo, or policykit
[21:35] <TJ-> peter22222: if it was a file-system message we'd expect "denied"
[21:35] <peter22222> "find /run/user/999/gvfs: no authorisation"
[21:35] <peter22222> well it s in german: "keine Berechtigung"
[21:35] <TJ-> oh! for gvfs that makes sense, Gnome Virtual File system
[21:36] <peter22222> even root is not authorized?
[21:36] <TJ-> peter22222: find is scanning all the other directories and files and not finding a problem else it'd report them
[21:36] <peter22222> oh ok
[21:36] <TJ-> peter22222: GVFS is not a real file-system, it's an interface that Gnome backend creates
[21:36] <peter22222> aaaaah... ok :-)
[21:37] <TJ-> peter22222: so we're not finding any problems on ownership for .ICEauthority - is that report still occuring?
[21:37] <peter22222> TJ- yes..
[21:37] <peter22222> every time i try to log in as guest user
[21:37] <peter22222> then i click "close", wait 2 Minutes and the desktop is starting....
[21:38] <peter22222> could it really be a bug? since i did fresh install twice
[21:38] <TJ-> peter22222: lets' check that file from the VT console. Can you do : "sudo ls -al /run/user/999/ | pastebinit"
[21:39] <TJ-> peter22222: 'could not update' suggests some process has it open exclusively so another process cannot write to it
[21:41] <peter22222> TJ- "Bad API request, invalid api_dev_key"
[21:41] <peter22222> and again "no authorisation"
[21:43] <peter22222> TJ- sounds ... i can cd to /run/user/999
[21:43] <TJ-> peter22222: the pastebinit API error suggests that package has been altered and they broke it. This is Ubuntu Mate ?
[21:43] <peter22222> and list it but not pipe the output to pastebinit
[21:43] <peter22222> there is a file called "ICEauthority-c"
[21:44] <peter22222> Mate
[21:44] <TJ-> hmmm, not sure how that is altered versus standard Ubuntu but it feels like someone that doesn't know what they're doing has modified the standard config without understanding the implications
[21:46] <peter22222> TJ I think I ll try another flavour of ubuntu on a fresh install
[21:46] <peter22222> thanks so much for your help
[21:50] <TJ-> peter22222: Xubuntu is worth a look
[21:52] <peter22222> TJ- i ll try that out thank you!
[22:01] <hackinghorn> help! I can't open my software center
[22:02] <hackinghorn> so I'm installing this package called ubuntu-kylin-software-center
[22:02] <hackinghorn> I hope this is it
[22:09] <hackinghorn> nah, it looks wrong ..
[22:09] <hackinghorn> there was a Ubuntu Software Center on my sidebar but something happened and its gone :/
[22:14] <TJ-> !info gnome-software | hackinghorn
[22:14] <hackinghorn> I'm installing another package called ubuntu-software, hope it works
[22:14] <TJ-> hackinghorn: yes, ubuntu-software Depends: gnome-software
[22:15] <hackinghorn> how did it get uninstalled, I'm confused..
[22:15] <tomreyn> i think that's the "old" one, and now the "snap-store" snap is default
[22:15] <tomreyn> at least on 20.04
[22:16] <tomreyn> i.e. this https://snapcraft.io/snap-store
[22:16] <tomreyn> this is not a recommendation
[22:16] <hackinghorn> wah wut
[22:17] <hackinghorn> maybe it didn't get uninstalled, I just cannot find it :/
[22:17] <TJ-> tomreyn: OMG what? Ubuntu has gone to the dogs!
[22:17] <jelly> hackinghorn, it gets uninstalled if you do a 18.04 -> 20.04 release upgrade
[22:18] <hackinghorn> eh wut
[22:18] <hackinghorn> I got 20.04 from the start. Maybe something else happened
[22:19] <hackinghorn> anyway, I got this gnome-software, they look kinda like the usual one, just I'm using unity so the icon is wrong..
[22:23] <hackinghorn> soo, how do I get the "unity-software"
[22:24] <hackinghorn> eh, every software is on snapcraft.io?
[22:25] <oerheks> first kylin, now unity-software?
[22:26] <Bashing-om> !info synaptic
[22:28] <hackinghorn> oh oh, nice
[22:28] <hackinghorn> yeah, I just want the usual one, that I lost..
[22:30] <hackinghorn> thankss
[22:31] <hackinghorn> maybe I will use the gnome one
[22:35] <tomreyn> hackinghorn: do you remember where you downloaded this ubuntu installer?
[22:37] <hackinghorn> tomreyn, there was a "Ubuntu Software Center" on the sidebar before, but  now its  gone, I just want it back..
[22:37] <hackinghorn> I searched but couldnt find so I think its uninstalled
[22:38] <tomreyn> hackinghorn: you said so, but i'm trying to understand which desktop environment you actually have
[22:38] <tomreyn> nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version,cmdline};echo "Session: $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ($XDG_SESSION_TYPE)";echo Shell: $SHELL)
[22:38] <hackinghorn> oh it's just Unity
[22:38] <oerheks> removed from the sidebar is not a problem, it stays installed in your menu, hit the left bottom icon
[22:39] <tomreyn> hackinghorn: can you run this command ^^ , it posts some system info to termbin.com, and you can share the url here
[22:39] <oerheks> and you can drag it back
[22:40] <hackinghorn> oerheks, yeah true, I clicked left bottom, then I search, I type in search "Software Center" but nothing was found. Now I have the gnome one, only it is found
[22:41] <hackinghorn> oh just "software"
[22:42] <hackinghorn> yeah there is "All" but I cannot see it
[22:46] <hackinghorn> wait, I think its updated to Snap Store
[22:46] <hackinghorn> yeahh maybe thats it
[22:46] <hackinghorn> it got a different icon
[22:49] <hackinghorn> ha, its called Snap Store now, thankss
[23:09] <Durentu> hello
[23:14] <Durentu> can someone point me in the right direction?  I'm looking for software that I can install on my apache/python server, for django web development that there's also a VS code extension so that it will be easy to deploy web projects.
[23:15] <Durentu> the web server is in a private lan, simulating a working environment
[23:22] <derpadmin> not sure I get your question Durentu , you seem to have all your technological stack...
[23:23] <derpadmin> I saw VS code have a remote option so you can change stuff directly on the server
[23:23] <derpadmin> not sure if that help you
[23:28] <Durentu> derpadmin, for example, if the uses finish their project,  is there a thing to deploy to the wbe server, or do I go and copy files and run scripts ?  - I was thinking maybe there was a web deployment app that runs on top of apache
[23:30] <derpadmin> aahh
[23:30] <derpadmin> so a deployment software
[23:30] <derpadmin> well, yes
[23:30] <derpadmin> bitbucket pipelines, ansible, chef, chef-solo/zero, puppet
[23:30] <derpadmin> pick your poison
[23:30] <derpadmin> aws code deploy
[23:31] <Durentu> ok keyword deplorment software, go ti ..
[23:31] <Durentu> any of them the most popular ?
[23:33] <derpadmin> well, if the project is in bitbucket, pipelines can be useful, you can add unit test and prevent merge/deploy if tests fail
[23:33] <Durentu> ah interesting
[23:33] <derpadmin> ansible is quite flexible and written in python, you could deploy with it on a server beside and test
[23:33] <derpadmin> (what I use right now to deploy my flask app)
[23:35] <tomreyn> this might be more of a topic for a software development channel.
[23:35] <derpadmin> correct tomreyn
[23:36] <Durentu> I wasn't sure who to ask for deplyment software on a web server I'm building
[23:37] <Durentu> it's like few different channels at once
[23:37] <Durentu> but thanks for the pointers
[23:40] <tomreyn> For some search terms, you're looking for a django CI/CD solution. Maybe start in #python
[23:43] <Durentu> tomreyn, thanks!  yep I'm asking there
[23:52] <Durentu> tomreyn, for future referece would questions about django ci/cd be best asked here or in a diff channel, you think ?
[23:53] <tomreyn> Durentu: elsewhere.


[18:40] <jelkner> #startmeeting
[18:40] <meeting> Meeting started at 13:42 UTC. The chair is jelkner.
[18:40] <meeting> Commands Available: #TOPIC, #IDEA, #ACTION, #AGREED, #LINK
[18:40]  * jelkner is here
[18:41]  * MYabes is here
[18:43]  * hgrover is here
[18:43] <jelkner> ok, i don't know who else is coming
[18:43] <jelkner> i hope anurag will
[18:44] <jelkner> lol
[18:44] <jelkner> hi Anurag
[18:44] <Anurag> hey jeff
[18:44] <jelkner> quick checkin
[18:44] <Anurag> just a heads up, might have to leave a little early today...have an exam at 3
[18:44] <jelkner> ok, let's make this quick then
[18:44] <jelkner> we are at a bit of an impass
[18:45] <jelkner> the smoke test still needs work, but michael can't really be the editor
[18:45] <jelkner> it still refers to XOs all over the place
[18:45] <jelkner> so it's not much use for us
[18:46] <Anurag> ok, so I will make a completely new smoke test on a google spreadsheet
[18:46] <jelkner> Anurag, if you do that
[18:46] <Anurag> I want to make sure MYabes has this by tomorrow morning
[18:46] <jelkner> we should delete the wiki page
[18:46] <jelkner> Anurag, that would be great
[18:47] <jelkner> but one other thing we need to consider
[18:47] <jelkner> is that the real blocker at the moment is the lack of developers on the project
[18:47] <jelkner> seems to me dfarning needs right now what we can't provide
[18:47] <jelkner> so testing at this point may not be that important
[18:48] <Anurag> so how can we move forward?
[18:48] <jelkner> that's a great question
[18:48] <Anurag> i konw dfarning said last week that he is going to be busy with ASLO during the next couple weeks
[18:48] <jelkner> since i'm responsible for guiding michael
[18:48] <jelkner> this is an important issue for me
[18:48] <jelkner> here is what i decided for the moment
[18:49] <jelkner> michael will work on TurtleArt
[18:49] <jelkner> i've asked a former student to package TurtleArt for ubuntu
[18:49] <jelkner> he agreed to do that
[18:50] <jelkner> (i'm hiring him to do it, so it should be done soon)
[18:50] <jelkner> he will:
[18:50] <jelkner> 1. create an ubuntu 9.10 debian package for TurtleArt
[18:50] <jelkner> (maybe 10.04?)
[18:50] <jelkner> (i'm hoping there is no difference)
[18:51] <jelkner> 2. create a PPA for the package
[18:51] <jelkner> 3. begin the process of submitting the package for inclusion in universe
[18:51] <jelkner> the main way we can play a role in this project is as an educational institution
[18:52] <jelkner> using, documenting, developing curriculum, etc
[18:52] <jelkner> once sugar is further along, we can return to testing
[18:53] <jelkner> so the smoke test will be important
[18:53] <jelkner> we should decide what to do with it
[18:53] <jelkner> and along with cleaning up the wiki site in general
[18:53] <jelkner> we should decide where it belongs
[18:54] <jelkner> i think keeping the current wiki page is fine
[18:54] <jelkner> if we edit it to make it usable
[18:54] <jelkner> Anurag, what do you think?
[18:54] <Anurag> makes sense, just kinda confused as to how an educational institution is going to help in such a technical project
[18:55] <jelkner> Anurag, keep in mind, this is an *educational* project ;-)
[18:55] <jelkner> in fact, the<EMAIL_ADDRESS>stands for (It's An Education Project)
[18:56] <Anurag> yea but in terms of using, documenting, developing curriculum, is that something that we are focusing on as part of the USR project
[18:56] <jelkner> we are the customers for whom sugar exists
[18:56] <jelkner> Anurag, you're right, of course
[18:56] <jelkner> it is hackers that the project lacks
[18:57] <jelkner> not educators at the moment
[18:57] <jelkner> (until such time as a platform exists that educators can use)
[18:57] <jelkner> we are only here because we are an ubuntu shop
[18:57] <jelkner> interested in running sugar
[18:57] <jelkner> so we certainly have the hardware available for testing
[18:57] <jelkner> we just need something to test :(
[18:58] <Anurag> right, so really we can't make much progress in testing right now
[18:58] <jelkner> i'm afraid you're right
[18:58] <Anurag> does MYabes have experience with packaging?
[18:58] <jelkner> we are putting the cart before the horse
[18:58] <jelkner> Anurag, none
[18:58] <Anurag> Caroline sent me some videos that are pretty helpful
[18:58] <jelkner> i have a former student who can package
[18:59] <Anurag> o ok
[18:59] <jelkner> but i have to pay him to do so, and my funds are limited
[18:59] <jelkner> so i'm going to ask him to package TurtleArt
[18:59] <jelkner> which i think we can make the most immediate use of in our educational program
[18:59] <jelkner> and then i'll wait for USR to mature
[19:00] <jelkner> i did offer caroline some of my own time to help with cleaning up launchpad
[19:00] <jelkner> and i'll do that
[19:00] <jelkner> but i don't think i'll have more than about 4 hours per week
[19:00] <jelkner> i don't know if you could help with that?
[19:01] <jelkner> the launchpad site is a mess
[19:01] <Anurag> o ok, r u referring to the USR launchpad site?
[19:01] <jelkner> since it is littered with past sugar ports
[19:01] <jelkner> versions previous to 0,88
[19:01] <jelkner> 0.88
[19:01] <jelkner> for platforms previous to 10.04 (lucid)
[19:02] <jelkner> packages that are no longer needed are there
[19:02] <jelkner> it is very confusing and raises the barrier to entry for someone who would want to help
[19:02] <jelkner> what's needed is to clean that up
[19:02] <Anurag> ok so we want to limit it to 10.04 and .88?
[19:02] <jelkner> yes
[19:03] <jelkner> anything else is just a dead end at this point
[19:03] <jelkner> so we need to find out who owns the other packages
[19:03] <jelkner> and get them to withdrawal them
[19:03] <Anurag> well since USR is kind of at a stalemate, I guess I can help with cleaning up the wiki and launchpad
[19:03] <jelkner> it means investigating and communicating
[19:04] <jelkner> not something our high schoolers are particularly good at yet :(
[19:04] <Anurag> u can't withdraw them with admin rights?
[19:04] <jelkner> we either need to find the package owner and ask them
[19:05] <Anurag> ok
[19:05] <Anurag> what do u think needs to be done with the wiki?
[19:06] <jelkner> or if the package is stale, and an owner can't be found, we need to plead with the launchpad admins to help us
[19:06] <jelkner> ok, the wiki we have more control over
[19:06] <jelkner> we just need to make sure it makes sense
[19:07] <jelkner> dfarning is requesting our help with that
[19:07] <jelkner> since he has looked at it too many times to be able to see it with fresh eyes
[19:07] <Anurag> ok that's something I definitely feel comfortable doing
[19:07] <jelkner> perfect
[19:08] <Anurag> I just need some direction in what needs to be changed
[19:08] <jelkner> i say we keep the smoke test where it is
[19:08] <Anurag> 1. The smoke test needs to be modififed
[19:08] <jelkner> and just edit it
[19:08] <Anurag> right
[19:08] <jelkner> to remove all references to XO
[19:08] <Anurag> right
[19:08] <jelkner> and make sure all the tests it asks one to perform make sense
[19:08] <jelkner> we can't test 802.11s, for example
[19:09] <jelkner> but we could test setting up a schoolserver and using jabber
[19:09] <Anurag> ok, other than the smoke test, what other work needs to be done on the wki
[19:09] <jelkner> (though let's not do that at 1st)
[19:09] <jelkner> you and i can both poke around
[19:09] <jelkner> looking at the flow from page to page
[19:09] <jelkner> and making sure things make sense
[19:10] <Anurag> right
[19:10] <jelkner> the easier it is to navigate, the easier it will be to grow our community
[19:10] <jelkner> since folks will find us through it
[19:11] <jelkner> and if take them into a labyrinth, they are not likely to come back :(
[19:11] <jelkner> ok, you have a test
[19:11] <jelkner> and i have students to attend to
[19:11] <jelkner> same time next week?
[19:12] <jelkner> Anurag, give me an affirmative on that and i'll end the meeting ;-)
[19:12] <Anurag> sounds good
[19:12] <jelkner> #endmeeting
[19:12] <meeting> Meeting finished at 14:14.
[19:12] <meeting> Logs available at http://me.etin.gs/ubuntu-sugarteam/ubuntu-sugarteam.log.20100302_1342.html


[01:35] <norc> http://pastie.org/3492862  << `service openvpn start' hangs when I try to start that simplistic job.
[01:36] <norc> (it's still reading from stdin, but that's it). the actual command is never executed
[01:37] <norc> The status is `openvpn start/killed, process 839'
[01:37] <norc> (By itself that command works just fine)
[02:40] <norc> oh wow.
[02:40] <norc> reading is hard.
[02:40] <norc> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/ 6.11.5 says that expect fork without a fork will cause start to hang!
[07:26] <ion> A nonexistent process Upstart thinks it’s still tracking and you can’t get it out of that state? http://heh.fi/tmp/workaround-upstart-snafu
[07:27] <ion> Oh, he already left.
[07:36] <SpamapS> ion: somebody should really write a 'forget-process' subcommand for initctl so we can at least work around that silliness.
[07:37] <ion> I kind of agree with Keybuk’s sentiment about it: the fork tracking should be fixed instead of adding inelegant, nasty workarounds.
[07:41] <SpamapS> ion: nobody has proposed a good solution to the problem though, so I reject that very true, but overly idealistic solution.
[07:43] <ion> Keybuk already had a prototype. I wonder what happened wrt. it?
[13:57] <wankdanker> I'm working on an upstart config and I want the process to start when /dev/ttyS0 is ready. Anyone have any ideas?
[14:08] <ion> Do you have upstart-udev-bridge?
[14:28] <wankdanker> yes, i think i do
[14:33] <ion> I have the following to start when a 3G modem is ready:
[14:33] <ion> start on tty-device-added ID_VENDOR_ID=12d1 ID_MODEL_ID=1001 ID_IFACE=00
[14:33] <ion> stop on runlevel [06] or tty-device-removed ID_VENDOR_ID=12d1 ID_MODEL_ID=1001 ID_IFACE=00
[14:33] <ion> Those events are sent by upstart-udev-bridge.
[14:33] <wankdanker> awesome. that is so helpful. thank you!!
[14:33] <ion> (I also refer to the device as /dev/serial/by-id/usb-HUAWEI_Technology_HUAWEI_Mobile-if00-port0 but that’s not relevant here.)
[14:34] <ion> See udevadm info --export-db for values you can use to match the device with.
[14:35] <wankdanker> great. thank you very much.
[14:35] <wankdanker> ion++
[14:36] <wankdanker> no beers for ion. :(


[00:02] <Ubulette>  /usr/bin/libgcrypt-config
[00:05] <asac_the_2nd> n00b
[00:08] <Ubulette> :)
[00:10] <Ubulette> it's cdbs but with simple patch system
[00:41] <asac_the_2nd> this sucks
[00:41] <Ubulette> ?
[00:41] <asac_the_2nd> importing gtkmozembed crashes python ... apparently something changed ... so i tried to regen the .defs file ... now i don't get everything, but a bunch of crap
[00:41] <Ubulette> hmm
[00:42] <Ubulette> i cant help; i'm no good with python
[00:43] <asac_the_2nd> i have the feeling that the issue is that the lib is not loaded
[00:43] <asac_the_2nd> but i don't get a symbol lookup error
[00:43] <asac_the_2nd> but that could happen, right?
[00:43] <asac_the_2nd> e.g. just a crash when the symbol is not loaded?
[00:44] <Ubulette> strace it
[00:45] <asac_the_2nd> oh
[00:45] <asac_the_2nd> now it works
[00:45] <asac_the_2nd> strange
[00:46] <asac_the_2nd> ah right
[00:46] <asac_the_2nd> i manually disabled the crashing function
[00:46] <asac_the_2nd> so it didn't crash anyways
[00:46] <asac_the_2nd> lets reenable
[00:46] <Ubulette> lol
[00:49] <asac_the_2nd> strace looks good ... its really some crash in python module binding function
[00:49] <asac_the_2nd> i think i need python dbgsyms
[01:06] <Ubulette> those packages are broken. they run configure on make clean
[01:14] <asac_the_2nd> hehe ... welll ... lots of things do that
[01:14] <asac_the_2nd> well on debian/rules clean at least
[01:14] <asac_the_2nd> make clean shouldn't do that imo
[01:14] <asac_the_2nd> but unless its done for distclean as well ... i won't bother
[01:15] <asac_the_2nd> ok i have to go t dinner ... lets hope that i can finish at least the glue python wrapper later
[01:15] <asac_the_2nd> you probably go to bed?
[01:18] <Ubulette> yep, it's 2am+
[02:12] <asac_the_2nd> damn thing .... mcdonalds has really low quality over here
[02:14] <Ubulette> lol
[02:14] <Ubulette> still fighting with gnutls
[02:14] <Ubulette> i've fixed libgpg-error and libgcrypt11
[02:15] <Ubulette> libtool fails on missing /usr/lib/libgcrypt.la
[02:15] <Ubulette> because it looks for all deps in /usr/lib
[02:16] <Ubulette> i give up.. at least for today
[02:20] <asac_the_2nd> so why was that moved in the first place?
[02:21] <asac_the_2nd> loading gre works now from python ... unfortunately importing gtkmozembed still crashes
[02:23] <Ubulette> bug 139635
[02:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139635 in libgpg-error "[cryptsetup] library dependency in /sbin/cryptsetup" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139635
[02:23] <Ubulette> crypt /usr
[02:25] <asac_the_2nd> k
[02:26] <Ubulette> i've posted my patches so pitti could have a look and finish it
[02:28] <Ubulette> https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive/+builds
[02:28] <Ubulette> building :)
[02:29] <Ubulette> may guess is 2d will fail as it started before the 1st was complete
[02:33] <Ubulette> bingo
[02:34] <asac_the_2nd> he?
[02:34] <Ubulette> there's a huge delay between the end of a build and the ppa is populated
[02:34] <Ubulette> http://ppa.launchpad.net/fta/ubuntu/pool/main/libg/libgpg-error/
[02:35] <asac_the_2nd> well ... its probably a cronjob that copies from incoming o pool
[02:36] <Ubulette> i do a rsync at the end of each successful build
[02:37] <Ubulette> I should release by bot someday
[02:37] <asac_the_2nd> probably
[02:38] <Ubulette> s/by/my
[02:38] <asac_the_2nd> if its easily extendable/adaptable it might be of use for others
[02:39] <Ubulette> it's designed to daily build HEAD of anything, so it's not another pbuilder
[12:11] <bluekuja> asac: heya
[12:12] <bluekuja> asac: I'm finishing a NEW package for Debian
[12:12] <bluekuja> asac: gonna ping you when done
[13:07] <bluekuja> asac: finished. Let me know when you're up
[15:47] <Ubulette> hi
[15:48] <Ubulette> asac, i've fixed gnutls13_2.0. I had to patch libgpg-error and libgcrypt11 and recompile opencdk10
[15:49] <Ubulette> now, once it's built in my ppa, i can force a rebuild of the new kazehakase
[15:53] <asac> Ubulette: yes ... pitti is on it now
[15:54] <Ubulette> well, i'm done with it
[15:54] <bluekuja> asac: heya :)
[15:54] <bluekuja> asac: do you have a minute for a package review?
[15:54] <Ubulette> so he should read the bug
[15:54] <asac> npe ... i am packing things to move to the new hotel
[15:54] <bluekuja> asac: ah damn :)
[15:54] <bluekuja> asac: will be you here later?
[15:55] <asac> Ubulette: yeah ... he told me about those three packages
[15:55] <asac> bluekuja: might be ... we have a dinner when we arrive ... depending on whether I get drunk i will be here later
[15:55] <bluekuja> lol
[15:55] <asac> and of course depending on how well internet works :)(
[15:55] <bluekuja> :D
[15:56] <bluekuja> asac: let me know when back then
[15:56] <bluekuja> :)
[15:56] <Ubulette> asac, where are you going now ?
[15:56] <asac> Plymouth
[15:56] <asac> from cambridge
[15:57] <Ubulette> another conference ?
[15:57] <asac> UDS -> AllHands
[15:57] <Ubulette> what's that ?
[15:57] <asac> well ... kind of ... whole company meets there
[15:57] <asac> and we do stupid games and inter-team sessions
[15:57] <asac> like we meet the business development folks ... or support folks
[15:57] <Ubulette> canonical ?
[15:59] <asac> yeah
[16:00] <Ubulette> i do that with my company too. stupid games and sessions
[16:00] <asac> i am actually not sure what happens there ... but i hope i can finally get things done
[16:00] <Ubulette> if it's like me, i doubt it
[16:00] <asac> i think the tech folks that already have been ad UDS don't have that a tight schedule
[16:00] <asac> hmm
[16:03] <asac> good on monday i am not explicitly scheduled for anything but start and end session
[16:05] <asac> hmmm ... i think i missed something important ... like adding myself to some sessions
[16:05] <asac> anyway ... got to pack my things now
[16:05] <asac> cu later
[16:05] <asac> (hopefully)
[16:05] <Ubulette> :)
[16:05] <Ubulette> bye
[16:41] <Ubulette> hmm, pitti redid my patch instead of using it
[16:41] <Ubulette> it's a pitty
[16:42] <Ubulette> (lol)
[16:43] <bluekuja> lol
[16:44] <Ubulette> i was sure he'll do that. no idea why. I don't even know him
[16:52] <bluekuja> Ubulette, he's an archive-admin
[16:52] <bluekuja> and release manager
[16:52] <Ubulette> i know
[16:52] <Ubulette> but it's not a reason to ignore me
[16:53] <bluekuja> what he did?
[16:53] <Ubulette> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/libgcrypt11/+bug/139635
[16:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139635 in libgpg-error "[cryptsetup] library dependency in /sbin/cryptsetup" [Undecided,In progress]
[17:34] <Ubulette> damn ppa is too slow
[17:34] <Ubulette> 1h30 to start a build, even with all builders idle
[18:53] <Ubulette> kazehakase_0.5 ftbfs on lpia/hardy
[18:53] <Ubulette>   libgtk2-ruby: Depends: libgtk2-ruby1.8 but it is not installable
[19:47] <Ubulette> bluekuja, seems ruby is yours, right?
[19:48] <Ubulette> bluekuja, could you please fix it for lpia ?
[20:11] <bluekuja> Ubulette, feel free to take it
[20:11] <bluekuja> actually I have ano time for it
[20:11] <Ubulette> i don't either
[20:11] <Ubulette> i'm already doing too much stuff
[20:11] <bluekuja> cool :)
[20:15] <Ubulette> btw, miro moved 2 days ago to a libtorrent half c++ half python. author seems to be Arvid Norberg, rings a bell to you ?
[20:15] <Ubulette> bluekuja ^^
[20:15] <bluekuja> arvid norberg?
[20:16] <bluekuja> let me thing
[20:16] <bluekuja> *think
[20:16] <bluekuja> who is he?
[20:16] <bluekuja> I've already heard about him
[20:16] <Ubulette> no idea, i'm trying to see what libtorrent miro is now using, to see if we can package it alone
[20:17] <bluekuja> great
[20:17] <bluekuja> if it's normal libtorrent
[20:17] <bluekuja> we can package it
[20:17] <bluekuja> if it's rasterbar one
[20:17] <bluekuja> we cannot
[20:17] <Ubulette> that's my question, which lib is it
[20:19] <bluekuja> let me know when seen