[12:24] <klepas> moin
[12:30] <EricV> Hello !
[12:30] <klepas> ni hao
[12:31] <klepas> in other word, hi. :-)
[12:31] <EricV> my chinese isnt very good ;) thanks !
[12:32] <EricV> you have a french name with an australian host, am i wrong ?
[12:34] <klepas> yep
[12:35] <klepas> I'm German, living in Aussie land (Canberra to be precise), got a French name, can speak a wee bit of Chinese and use Linux.
[12:35] <klepas> how's that mate?
[12:37] <EricV> :D
[12:37] <klepas> How about you?
[12:42] <EricV> I'have a french name, living near Paris ! I have to keep learning German ! And i use Hoary & Windows... I'm here to see what they are to say about Edubuntu, because i work for a humanitarian association, and we will bring computers to African schools. Maybe we will install edubuntu for them, because we aren't really happy of Windows...
[12:44] <EricV> And you what do you in Canberra ? do you work for ubuntu ?
[12:46] <klepas> Not as of yet
[12:47] <klepas> But I certainly am interested in offering my skills to the rather large and awesome repetoire of skills and abilities available within the Ubuntu community
[12:47] <klepas> :-)
[12:48] <klepas> Other than that, I've only got one accepted piece of work so far - a splash screen for JuK 2.3 which will be released with KDE 3.5 and maybe 4
[12:48] <klepas> and I do a lot of other art for myself and anyone else who happens to like it :-)
[12:49] <klepas> http://wombat.nuxified.com/about and http://wombat.nuxified.com/work
[12:49] <klepas> brb
[12:50] <klepas> back
[12:53] <EricV> ('m reading your websites)
[12:54] <klepas> :-) thank you
[12:56] <EricV> your splash screen for gimp is nice! do u use gimp for creating all your picts ?
[12:59] <klepas> yes
[12:59] <klepas> The GIMP and sometimes a little Inkscape
[12:59] <klepas> but otherwise, I am all for using open source apps
[01:01] <klepas> :-)
[01:01] <EricV> as powerful as apps like Photoshop ?
[01:02] <ogra> klepas, do you know art.ubuntu.com ?
[01:02] <klepas> yes
[01:02] <klepas> I co-admin that :-)
[01:02] <ogra> fine :)
[01:02] <klepas> that I suppose is my only little contribution so far.
[01:02] <klepas> :-)
[01:04] <EricV> will you add new themes, soonly ?
[01:04] <klepas> *checks
[01:04] <EricV> (that's empty for the moment...)
[01:05] <klepas> one item
[01:05] <EricV> well that's a very new web site, i understand why it's not full...
[01:05] <klepas> Breezy Login Mockup 01  gdm_greeter
[01:05] <klepas> yea
[01:05] <klepas> and it is still missing a lot of functionality
[01:05] <EricV> anyway there are some nice background
[01:06] <klepas> but, alas I look forward to what it could mean!
[01:06] <klepas> i've done this one: http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/6
[01:06] <klepas> :)
[01:07] <klepas> brb - need to take out the trash
[01:07] <EricV> i've seen it on your blog !
[01:08] <klepas> :-)
[01:09] <EricV> well i'll be back in 40minutes
[01:15] <JaneW> I can't u/l to http://art.ubuntu.com/ anymore... where's u/l link gone?
[01:26] <ogra> JaneW, probably depending on the launchpad maintenance ? or is that over already ?
[01:26] <JaneW> it's over...
[01:26] <ogra> i.e. no login, no upload...
[01:27] <ogra> ah, ok
[01:27] <JaneW> I can login, but there's no link (anymore) which says upload a new wallpaper...
[01:27] <ogra> hmm, and hno is on holiday
[01:28] <JaneW> nod
[01:28] <JaneW> I am wondering if anyone else can u/l
[01:28] <JaneW> Javacide added some yesterday...
[01:28] <klepas> W00t!
[01:28] <klepas> Ubuntu 6.04 ~ will be named Dapper Drake
[01:28] <klepas> awesome
[01:29] <JaneW> ahhh, I found something... ogra I think I worked it out, it's changed.
[01:29] <JaneW> yes
[01:29] <ogra> :)
[01:29] <JaneW> sounds a bit mandrakey
[01:29] <JaneW> ;P
[01:29] <ogra> heh
[01:30] <JaneW> I was expecting it to be Daper Dassie
[01:30] <klepas> hehe
[01:30] <klepas> Dassie souns nicer, imho
[01:30] <JaneW> but Dapper Drake has a nice ring to it.
[01:30] <JaneW> dassie is also native to SA
[01:30] <klepas> yea
[01:31] <klepas> both dapper and drake have nice meanings and work well together
[01:37] <spacey> what does Dapper mean?
[01:37] <spacey> sounds like a dutch word :)
[01:37] <Treenaks> spacey: dict ;)
[01:38] <spacey> oh its the same as in dutch
[01:38] <Treenaks> spacey: it is?
[01:38] <klepas> dapper means: Little and active; spruce; trim; smart; neat in dress or
[01:38] <klepas>    appearance; lively.
[01:38] <spacey> brave/dapper
[01:38] <JaneW> means brave etc
[01:39] <klepas> :-)
[01:40] <klepas> and a drake is the male of the duck kind
[01:40] <spacey> dappere eend :o)
[01:41] <Treenaks> spacey: woerd
[01:41] <Treenaks> spacey: (male duck :))
[01:42] <spacey> :p
[01:42] <JaneW> Dapper:
[01:42] <JaneW>    1.
[01:42] <JaneW>          1. Neatly dressed; trim.
[01:42] <JaneW>          2. Very stylish in dress.
[01:42] <JaneW>    2. Lively and alert.
[01:42] <JaneW> [Middle English daper, elegant, probably from Middle Dutch dapper, quick, strong.]
[01:54] <EricV> (re gentlemen)
[01:58] <JaneW> **REMINDER** Edubuntu meeting her in 2 mins
[01:59] <ogra> her ?
[01:59] <ogra> whom ?
[01:59] <ogra> does she look good ?
[01:59] <ogra> :)
[02:00] <Mithrandir> ogra: I thought you already had a "her"? :-)
[02:00] <ogra> i do... i was just courious :)
[02:00] <EricV> herE, i suppose...
[02:01] <JaneW> no it's ME
[02:01] <EricV> (i'm disapointed too..)
[02:01] <JaneW> TA DA!
[02:01] <EricV> ;)
[02:01] <ogra> ok, so she looks good ;)
[02:01] <JaneW> :P
[02:02] <jelkner> good morning all!
[02:02] <JaneW> ok I am ready
[02:02] <spacey> ok:)
[02:02] <JaneW> hi jelkner
[02:02] <JaneW> where's flint?
[02:03] <jelkner> JaneW: hi, i only have 10 minutes before my students arrive
[02:03] <JaneW> oh right he;s moving isn't he?
[02:03] <jelkner> i can't speak for flint
[02:03] <JaneW> jelkner: well then SHOOT
[02:03] <jelkner> is there any way to narrow down which days are edubutu related at ubuntu below zero?
[02:04] <jelkner> btw. Edubuntu rocks!
[02:04] <JaneW> jelkner: I discussed this with mdz last night
[02:04] <JaneW> jelkner: RAD!
[02:04] <jelkner> and...?
[02:04] <ogra> yay jelkner, thanks ;)
[02:04] <JaneW> I was hoping we could plan as per my mail to you yesterday...
[02:04] <jelkner> but that is a whole week
[02:05] <JaneW> jelkner: I still think we can actually, but mdz doesn't want us to strictly limit ourselves to that...
[02:05] <JaneW> ok so the distro team is busy from Mon 31 Oct to Sat 6 Nov...
[02:05] <ogra> we'll have a dedicated edubuntu summit again later i guess
[02:05] <jelkner> wait, maybe i didn't see your mail from yesterday...
[02:05] <JaneW> The LTSP crew arrive on Thu 3 Nov
[02:06] <jelkner> what should i do?
[02:06] <JaneW> so I am thinking we should focus most of our edubuntu sessions in the overlap
[02:06] <JaneW> Thurs- Sat
[02:06] <ogra> the dostro team stays until 7th, that makes 4 days
[02:06] <ogra> distro even
[02:06] <JaneW> we may do some prelim talks in the days before that, but the meat will be near the end of the week, and in collaboration with the LTSP guys...
[02:06] <JaneW> does everyone agree?
[02:07] <JaneW> ogra: but so far the 7th is an 'off' day... we don;t want to take that away already!
[02:07] <Treenaks> (note: Sunday 6th is a day off now)
[02:07] <jelkner> can i do nov. 1 to 6 then?
[02:07] <ogra> JaneW, i thik all we do there will be very ltsp specific, since we'll have our normal edubuntu summit too
[02:07] <JaneW> ogra: sides some of us will be there close to 3 weeks....
[02:07] <Treenaks> JaneW: the 8th is the off day?
[02:07] <Treenaks> JaneW: uh, 7th?
[02:07] <JaneW> sorry I am confussed re dates and days... Sun 6th is the day off
[02:08] <JaneW> thanks Treenaks
[02:08] <ogra> JaneW, so app selection etc will happen on the edubuntu summit...
[02:08] <JaneW> jelkner: can you be there in that time?
[02:08] <ogra> but we can collect input in montreal indeed
[02:08] <JaneW> jelkner: 1-6th?
[02:08] <jelkner> JaneW: i can attend any 2 to 3 weekdays plus a weekend
[02:09] <jelkner> i just need to know now so i can apply for leave
[02:09] <JaneW> jelkner: since ogra and I have other comitments (Ubuntu, LP, scheduling etc etc) would you be willing to help us to lead, as you did so ably at UDU?
[02:09] <jelkner> sure
[02:09] <JaneW> cool
[02:09] <jelkner> just tell me the days, and i'm there
[02:09] <JaneW> jelkner: you can beat the content filtering drum again.... ;)
[02:10] <jelkner> i will!
[02:10] <JaneW> mdz reckons we have enough for a full edubuntu track...
[02:10] <jelkner> there are a lot of issues
[02:10] <jelkner> local access to usb devices
[02:10] <JaneW> so if I can get us a dedicated room (not sure what infrastructure we have yet), we can go made and schedule accordingly...
[02:10] <jelkner> sound
[02:10] <jelkner> etc.
[02:10] <ogra> jelkner, sound out of the box ;)
[02:10] <JaneW> s/made/mad
[02:10] <JaneW> java...
[02:11] <ogra> JaneW, we cant ship java
[02:11] <ogra> JaneW, we have it in multiverse, thats enough
[02:11] <jelkner> we can ship gnu java
[02:11] <JaneW> just thinking of the norwegian flash/java requirement for exams...
[02:11] <jelkner> and it is getting better all the time
[02:11] <ogra> jelkner, we do already... gcj is in
[02:11] <JaneW> anyway shall I try to get us a dedicated room?
[02:11] <jelkner> ogra: yes, i know
[02:12] <ogra> jelkner, thats why we cant ship java ;)
[02:12] <JaneW> I have created a wiki page to start listing BOF topics...
[02:12] <JaneW> http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuBelowZero
[02:12] <ogra> JaneW, good idea
[02:12] <JaneW> for edubuntu specifics...
[02:12] <ogra> (the room)
[02:12] <jelkner> JaneW: i still need a final decision on days
[02:12] <JaneW> here's another one, for general Ubuntu BOFs
[02:12] <JaneW> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBelowZero/BOFs
[02:12] <jelkner> you pick em, and i'll be there
[02:12] <jelkner> but i need to know
[02:12] <jelkner> now..
[02:13] <jelkner> and i need to go in 4 minutes...
[02:13] <JaneW> Well if we get our own room, and a complete edubuntu track, we can start on the Monday 31 Oct and end on Saturday 5 Nov
[02:13] <JaneW> not sure how wall to wall we'll be though
[02:13] <JaneW> we really need that BOF list, start filling that
[02:14] <JaneW> if you can be there at least Wed-Sat it would be great
[02:14] <JaneW> more would be a bonus...
[02:14] <JaneW> how does that sound?
[02:14] <ajmitch> JaneW: ah, the BOFs page is up for suggestions (for general ubuntu work)?
[02:14] <jelkner> more?
[02:14] <jelkner> i'm trying to minimize the number of days i'm away from students
[02:14] <jelkner> i don't mind working on sunday
[02:14] <JaneW> ajmitch: yes.
[02:14] <jelkner> that is better for me
[02:15] <jelkner> but i'd like to limit my weekdays to 3
[02:15] <JaneW> jelkner: yes but it's scheduled as an off/recreational day for everybody...
[02:15] <jelkner> ok
[02:15] <ogra> but please note while filling that we'll have an additional edubutnu summit thats less technical, we should concentrate onthe technical stuff at UBZ
[02:15] <ogra> hey li
[02:15] <ogra> flint1, even
[02:15] <JaneW> ogra: is another edubunut summit confirmed yet?
[02:15] <JaneW> hi flint1
[02:15] <flint1> hey ollie, sorry I am late...
[02:15] <jelkner> so perhaps you don't need me for all those days
[02:16] <flint1> Hi there jane...
[02:16] <jelkner> i gotta run
[02:16] <jelkner> let's follow up by email
[02:16] <jelkner> thanks!
[02:16] <ogra> JaneW, we committed to have one every 6 months, i dont know if sabdfl's commitment still stands
[02:16] <flint1> hi jeff bye jeff...
[02:16] <JaneW> jelkner: if you can be there at least Wed-Sat it would be great (I can only reitterate that)
[02:16] <JaneW> ogra: we'll need to confirm before relying on it...
[02:17] <ogra> JaneW, yup... but t was the wording even before we started the last one...
[02:17] <Treenaks> sun/mon are planned for Ottawa, tue is travel back
[02:17] <flint1> did jeff go into the need for the "snow white" filter system?
[02:17] <JaneW> YES
[02:17] <JaneW> *cough* Bloody Americans *cough*
[02:17] <ogra> anyone interested in the technical status we're at ?
[02:17] <JaneW> ogra: yes please
[02:17] <flint1> absolutely
[02:18] <ogra> beware my paste !
[02:18] <ogra> Serious blocker bugs we have:
[02:18] <ogra> - #14967 - disappearing KDE menu items in the GNOME menu
[02:18] <ogra> - #12942 - NFS timeout causing second boot for thin clients
[02:18] <ogra> Normal bugs being resolved during development:
[02:18] <ogra> - ltsp-client-builder.udeb progress reporting is missing (time consuming to fix, every test needs a manual CD build)
[02:18] <ogra> - ltsp-server postinst needs to generate the dhcp.conf file dynamically according to the selected IP adress
[02:18] <ogra> Package bugs being resolved during development (to be solved this week):
[02:18] <ogra> - moodle www-config-common bug
[02:18] <ogra> - moodle security bug needs upgrade to v1.5.1
[02:18] <ogra> Improvements since preview:
[02:18] <ogra> - Missing default IP adress in the installer fixed
[02:18] <ogra> - the dhcp server doesnt ask questions anymore during install (big improvement, but needs the above ltsp-server fix too to work fully automatic)
[02:18] <ogra> - edubuntu-artwork now built to be used easily by all custom ubuntu distros
[02:18] <ogra> - schooltool fixed and in the default install now
[02:18] <ogra> - "Chicken Install" now possible :)
[02:18] <ogra> Things that "could" come (no promises, depending on amount of bugs and time):
[02:18] <ogra> - Probably a usplash pic reading edubuntu instead of ubuntu (if jbailey add the feature to usplash to be themeable)
[02:18] <ogra> - rebranding of the installer (ubuntu/edubuntu)
[02:18] <ogra> Note that we are at the very edge of CD space now (powerpc: 699MB, amd64: 647MB, i386: 635MB),
[02:18] <ogra> all further additions will require to remove something !
[02:19] <Treenaks> ogra: remove ppc ;)
[02:19] <ogra> its tempting :)
[02:19] <sladen> ogra: the themeable bits need to go in for kubuntu too
[02:19] <ogra> but we had one user installing on a mac mini today :/
[02:20] <ogra> sladen, you mean usplash ?
[02:20] <ogra> thats a nice to have, but no must...
[02:20] <Treenaks> sladen: they need a blue usplash? :)
[02:20] <ogra> we dont need to hide our inheritance
[02:20] <sladen> ogra: I think riddell is keen ;-)
[02:21] <ogra> sladen, depends if jbaileys fix gets accepted before release... so i dont bet on it now
[02:21] <sladen> who did the artwork, it's probably almost scriptable to render the logo, add a gradient and select the appropriate colour palette
[02:22] <sladen> ogra: and if not, usplash can be split into a usplash andan usplash-artwork which differnet packages can provide
[02:22] <JaneW> ogra: how's #14967 going?
[02:22] <Treenaks> sladen: yeah, get it in a vector format and use kdrive + cairo to get the image up 8)
[02:23] <ogra> JaneW, slow, its not easily reproducable... i hope i can build an alliance wit riddel, since he's affected too
[02:23] <JaneW> ogra: you saw that Petter found it too...
[02:23] <flint1> 14967 is one of those that jeff was whining about...
[02:23] <JaneW> ogra: hmmm
[02:23] <ogra> JaneW, as i said yesterday, i'm trying to find a inotify specialist to help there...its not solvable by us alone i think
[02:24] <JaneW> ogra: do you know anyone who fits the bill?
[02:24] <JaneW> mdz reckoned such a person was not easy to find...
[02:24] <ogra> JaneW, nope, probably BenC has enough kernel insight or fabbione ...
[02:24] <ogra> i'll run around and poke several people after the meeting
[02:25] <JaneW> ogra: ok thanks
[02:25] <flint1> what about Johnathan?
[02:25] <JaneW> ogra: what did you think of the feedback from the mac mini guy today?
[02:25] <JaneW> He seemed to have some valid points
[02:26] <ogra> JaneW, no idea what he did, thats all normal distro stuff that fails, not edubuntu specific... i tend to poit him to bugzilla
[02:26] <ogra> JaneW, but nothing we can solve in edubuntu specifically
[02:26] <flint1> we have not tested using the mac as a client, does this actually work?
[02:27] <ogra> flint1, ltsp-server is missing the feature to build the chroot for a different arch yet, mdz promised it would come before release... then it should work
[02:27] <flint1> thanks for the update my man.  Fantastic!
[02:28] <ogra> i think its a bit tricky to implement, will take time for him
[02:28] <ogra> which is rare onhisside)
[02:28] <ogra> bah,whereismyspacekeygone?
[02:28] <flint1> how many mdz clock ticks is edubuntu eating?  like half?
[02:29] <JaneW> lol@ogra
[02:29] <ogra> i doubt it...except the sleepless nights probably
[02:29] <JaneW> flint1: something like that
[02:29] <ogra> (space works again :))
[02:29] <flint1> he really hates getting my 08:00 PST calls...
[02:29] <ogra> heh
[02:29] <JaneW> flint1: that's NOT a good idea!
[02:29] <ogra> understandable
[02:29] <flint1> space....the final frontier
[02:30] <JaneW> don't phone prga at that time (UTC) either
[02:30] <flint1> ah, if i cannot piss off mdz then what use am i?
[02:30] <JaneW> flint1: that's actually pretty easilly achievable atm - we can all do it well ;)
[02:30] <JaneW> ok what's next, orga any more to report?
[02:31] <ogra> nope, the above is my final list
[02:31] <JaneW> Has everybody seen the cool artwork in http://art.ubuntu.com/ ?
[02:31] <ogra> if we have solved this, we are release ready
[02:31] <JaneW> I am very impressed with our community artwork
[02:31] <JaneW> esp Steve Torrefranca - he is very good.
[02:31] <JaneW> ogra: np then '
[02:31] <JaneW> )
[02:31] <ogra> i'm not really impressed by the badger backgrounds...
[02:32] <ogra> the badger is neat but i the background hurts my eyes afetr some time
[02:33] <flint1> the angle here is the saturation in these graphics will appeal to younger children
[02:33] <ogra> to coulored, to wild to use as a real background... the icons will disappear in the coulorfullness...
[02:33] <ogra> you wont be able to distinguish the icons from the background easily...
[02:34] <flint1> as you appeal to older and still older students, you will want to change the style.
[02:34] <ogra> i'm not talking about taste
[02:35] <flint1> with luck we can start an amusement park called "badger world" and make a packet.
[02:35] <ogra> its simply not usable, try to clutter your desktop with icons and use this background... go away over the weekend and try to find a particular icon again
[02:35] <ogra> they get swallowed, its to colorful
[02:35] <flint1> there is a great deal to be said for human brown.
[02:35] <JaneW> from a kids point of view they are great i.e. I love them :)
[02:36] <JaneW> I am using one right now :)
[02:36] <JaneW> they are cheerful
[02:36] <flint1> Ollie, you see these through the eyes of a grown man.  Go find a child and do a test.
[02:36] <JaneW> ogra: ah but you keep a cluttered desktop ;)
[02:36] <ogra> JaneW, i'm talking about usability... not taste, i know kids like it colorful, but we shouldnt provide defaults that are hardly working with usablility requirtments
[02:36] <sladen> this is the same reason that kids love comic sans... prettiness and I'm sure they're young eyes can cope with the strain
[02:37] <sladen> s/they're/their/
[02:37] <JaneW> sladen: I agree
[02:37] <flint1> I swear Ollie, as we get older our sensitivity to color saturation dramaticallly increases...
[02:37] <ogra> flint1, again, its not about taste...
[02:37] <JaneW> esp when alcohol is involved....
[02:37] <ogra> another color would probably sole it already
[02:37] <flint1> lol
[02:37] <ogra> solve
[02:38] <JaneW> ogra: atm I have one icon in each of the quilted squares, it's funky ;)
[02:38] <ogra> and note, we wont be able to include any background we have, there is not enough space... we are on the very edge
[02:38] <flint1> the angle I see is that you could tell what grade or form a classroom was just through the graphic displayed
[02:39] <JaneW> the space issue sucks... I believe kubuntu is battling too...
[02:39] <ogra> (except we drop ppc)
[02:39] <JaneW> can we shave anything anywhere?
[02:39] <JaneW> ogra: doit!
[02:39] <JaneW> ;)
[02:39] <ogra> if we'd rop ppc we'd have 50MB on amd64 and 70 on x86 :)
[02:40] <ogra> JaneW, so you'll answer all the complaints from mac users ?
[02:40] <spacey> ogra, sounds fair enough ;)
[02:40] <ogra> they should have at least the standalone workstation install...
[02:40] <JaneW> sure, dear mac user, get a proer PC *hide*
[02:40] <ogra> heh
[02:41] <sladen> ogra: just make the ppc CD bigger eg. 700MB and keep the other two at 650MB
[02:41] <ogra> sladen, it *is* 700MB
[02:41] <ogra> sladen, all images of edubuntu are
[02:41] <ogra> we are at 699MB on ppc
[02:42] <sladen> bling!
[02:42] <flint1> so the graphics are limited on the power pc.  big deal!
[02:42] <flint1> how is the i386 loading?
[02:42] <ogra> flint1, ?
[02:43] <flint1> I thought that you had cd load problems on the power pc distro.  did i get this right?
[02:43] <flint1> by load i mean size
[02:43] <ogra> nope, we have space probs on ppc
[02:43] <ogra> ah, yes
[02:44] <ogra> x86 is around 640MB
[02:44] <flint1> ppc is power pc yes?
[02:44] <ogra> a bit less...
[02:44] <ogra> yp
[02:44] <ogra> yup even
[02:44] <flint1> ok then - i also mislabled x386 as i386, my bad.
[02:44] <ogra> ppc is traditionally bigger... an i dont want to drop it if possible
[02:45] <ogra> flint1, call it sa you like ... i386 is the right technical term...
[02:45] <ogra> i'm just to lazy to type powerpc :)
[02:45] <flint1> interesting, when I took assembler i always thought motorola code was more compact...
[02:46] <flint1> I remain a motorola bigot!
[02:46] <ogra> ppc has some tools and kernels the others dont have
[02:46] <flint1> thus it comes down to balance, now your build script for ppc is out of whack from amd and i386.
[02:47] <ogra> the size difference isnt avoidable...
[02:47] <flint1> I honestly have never booted ppc ubuntu.
[02:47] <ogra> flint1, i have no influence on build scripts
[02:47] <flint1> gotcha, you just control what is in the build tree.
[02:48] <ogra> thast all automated... i only can influence the app selection... i could drop some apps from ppc, but we already are down to the bare minimum
[02:48] <ogra> so the user experience wouldnt be the same... i' like to avoid that
[02:49] <ogra> we have all apps in by realease and have still a good Cd for all arches, we just wont be able to provide a ton of artwork
[02:49] <flint1> as I am in the process of moving from DC to Vermont, my mac stuff is packed and in a quarry near Montpelior.  I cannot test or investigate ppc matters until later this month.
[02:50] <ogra> i doubt there will be problems with ppc... it works in ubuntu, so it should work for us as well
[02:50] <flint1> seems to me we are either killing artwork or language overlays.  Language overlays always win.
[02:51] <ogra> mdz already said he cant imagine MACs in school environment, he wouldnt object to drop ppc... but i do...
[02:51] <rickfitz> I assume this only affects the server. Could still use mac clients on an i386 server?
[02:51] <ogra> flint1, we only have one language packa left on the CD , there is nothing you cold drop...
[02:52] <ogra> rickfitz, if the missing --arch feature is added to ltsp-build-client, yes
[02:52] <flint1> as servers macs are not so popular in these parts.  As clients mdz is wrong.
[02:52] <ogra> rickfitz, but that doesnt affect the ppc CD
[02:52] <ogra> rickfitz, since you will build it on a i386 server
[02:52] <ogra> (which requires the i386 CD)
[02:53] <flint1> on another topic not related to edubuntu, ...Elkner and I had a big fight over printer drivers...
[02:53] <ogra> ppc is only interesting for ppc servers and ppc standlone workstations...
[02:53] <JaneW> does anybody know how the docs are loking, jsgotngco has been owrking on them...
[02:54] <ogra> flint1, thats something we inherit 100% from ubuntu... if you find bugs, please file them in ubuntu
[02:54] <flint1> very impressive typos accompanying your discussion of docs jane...
[02:54] <JaneW> http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation
[02:54] <flint1> gotcha ollie.
[02:54] <JaneW> flint1: I tent to hit the right keys, just not in the right order... can you tell I have a wonderful musical ability too? ;)
[02:55] <flint1> is Colin's stuff updated to current release?
[02:55] <ogra> flint1, whats colins stuff ?
[02:55] <JaneW> flint1: I don't think so, he has all but vanished...?
[02:55] <ogra> i never heard abou that ?
[02:56] <flint1> Step-by-step LTSP setup by Colin Applegate
[02:56] <flint1> Colin went to college and likely got a girlfriend...
[02:56] <ogra> oh, the hoary stuff...
[02:56] <ogra> we should tag that deprecated
[02:57] <flint1> Jane this is not misogyny it is reality...
[02:57] <flint1> I will read it over and determine if we can update it in the current context.
[02:58] <ogra> flint1, some stuff about sound on the thin client and local NW acess would be cool, thats something we dont provide in this relese
[02:58] <ogra> s/NW/HW
[02:58] <ogra> flint1, i think colin had some ideas there
[02:59] <flint1> ah yes, the two hard nut, local access////
[02:59] <rickfitz> I was going to ask about sound. How far off is that?
[02:59] <ogra> i'll solve both for breezy+1 it wasnt  onthe plan for breezy...
[03:00] <rickfitz> That's good
[03:00] <flint1> I really like the fact that you can alt <F> to a character screen on the clients.
[03:01] <flint1> when you do this on a client, are you logging into the server or the local?
[03:01] <ogra> currently using something like NAS should be the way to go... but we have no sane default setup yet and i personally would love to tunnel the sound throughssh like we do with the graphicsalready
[03:01] <ogra> flint1, thats local
[03:01] <ogra> and there is no user by default, so you cant get in anyway
[03:02] <flint1> I noticed...
[03:02] <ogra> we should probably drop a "DontZap" option in the xorg.conf to avoid the switching at all
[03:03] <ogra> currently its helpful if you set a root PW in the chroot, you can login and read logs on the client... good for debugging
[03:03] <flint1> how hard would it be to grant local access, if there is a working linux partition on the local machine?
[03:03] <flint1> I am talking breezy+1 stuff here now.
[03:03] <ogra> flint1, you'd have to have an nfs server on the client and mount it on the server, i dont se any other solution currently
[03:04] <ogra> for breezy+1 i'll look into all solutions available...
[03:04] <flint1> ...makes my head hurt to think of it.
[03:04] <ogra> yes, its a back and forth through the network...
[03:05] <ogra> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre3/29050-3.png
[03:05] <ogra> jdub just posted that in -devel :) ^^^
[03:06] <flint1> This is illustrative of my argument with Elkner, the printer worked for everything but the printer variable was set wrong for the PDF viewer, his position is that due to this lack of 100% operation he would prefer none.  I say keep the alt screens active, they represent a promise of future funcionality,
[03:06] <ogra> you mean the console ?
[03:07] <ogra> that'd be hard to maintain for a normal teacher...
[03:07] <flint1> yes, any young mind evil enough to find the local console may be able to eventually solve the problem...
[03:07] <ogra> you have to login into the chroot to make changes, all is commandline work ...
[03:08] <ogra> flint1, nope, you cant login, there is no user and root is locked
[03:08] <ogra> no way to log in...
[03:08] <flint1> yes, I can see the point from the teachers side, a kid putting the machine in console mode effectively broke the client.
[03:08] <ogra> flint1, you cant
[03:08] <ogra> its technically not possible...
[03:09] <flint1> is this a bug or a feature?  i reluctantly vote bug.
[03:09] <ogra> except you poked around in the chroot manually indeed
[03:09] <ogra> flint1, its a security requirement...
[03:09] <flint1> nah, i just hit ctl alt <F1>
[03:09] <ogra> no bug, rather a feature
[03:10] <ogra> flint1, and ? what do you do there ?
[03:10] <flint1> I was, a dicipline problem in school myself...
[03:10] <flint1> looked at a console login, that was all that I could do.
[03:10] <ogra> you can see the console, thats all..
[03:10] <flint1> so you say you can make this fuctionality which leads no where go away?
[03:10] <ogra> as i said, i think about adding a "DontZap" option to xorg.conf for release, currently its needed for debugging
[03:11] <ogra> s/debugging/easier debugging/
[03:11] <flint1> amen to that DontZap for release...
[03:11] <ogra> i'll tald to mdz about it...
[03:11] <ogra> talk
[03:12] <flint1> no, s/talk/wake up and talk/ :^)
[03:12] <ogra> heh
[03:13] <flint1> neat.  I will look over colin's documentaion.  I can mark depreciated till it is updated please let me know if I should do this.
[03:13] <ogra> flint1, if it helps our users, DOIT ! :)
[03:13] <flint1> ok then.
[03:14] <ogra> flint1, so we wont see colin at UBZ ?
[03:14] <flint1> I will track my boy down figure this out, and report back.
[03:15] <ogra> :)
[03:15] <flint1> This whole going to class thing can be a real constraint.
[03:15] <ogra> oh, we lost jane
[03:15] <flint1> we put jane to sleep?
[03:15] <ogra> who closes the meeting now ? OMG, we're stck in this meeting forever
[03:16] <flint1> jeez, you start talking about caracter mode and jane goes away.  How GUI!
[03:16] <ogra> ah, the mistress is back :)
[03:16] <flint1> I feel the spiked heels once again!
[03:16] <ogra> lol
[03:16] <spacey> btw will translations be ok for edubuntu?
[03:17] <spacey> applications/places/system is not translated atm
[03:17] <spacey> the least i would expect :)
[03:17] <ogra> spacey, everything we inherit from ubuntu will be ok...
[03:17] <spacey> yeah ok its ubuntu part
[03:17] <ogra> all the other stuff needs to be handled...
[03:18] <spacey> btw are there any ideas on how to handle if all the kids want to use the same login? its not possible is it?
[03:18] <flint1> it is not possible is correct
[03:18] <ogra> spacey, nope
[03:18] <flint1> Elkner has been known to set up numerically related logins
[03:18] <spacey> because the kids are too retarded to remember logins
[03:18] <flint1> (the security geek within me cringes)
[03:19] <spacey> guess we will make logins per pc
[03:19] <flint1> that works, post the login on the pc
[03:19] <spacey> yeah
[03:19] <flint1> the eventual deal here is to give each munchkin their own personal directory space...
[03:20] <ogra> the gconf database is bound to a user... if you log in twice, you loose the gconf settings for this user, i'd give every pupil a login... so tey keep their personal sttings all the time and learn to handle passwords etc responsible
[03:20] <flint1> that becomes like their locker, or their desk.
[03:20] <spacey> ogra, they are to young and not 100% so that won't work
[03:20] <ogra> flint1, thats what /home is for...
[03:20] <ogra> flint1, i wouldnt do anything additionally...
[03:20] <\sh> spacey: how old are they? My son was loosing his password one time when he was 6
[03:20] <flint1> ollie home is exactly what I ment...
[03:21] <ogra> ah :)
[03:21] <spacey> \sh, its a primary school
[03:21] <ogra> so 6-10 ?
[03:21] <spacey> and the kids are like i said not 100%, school for difficult learning/behavior kids
[03:21] <\sh> spacey: yes....my son was dealing with computers at his primary school...
[03:21] <flint1> these are not munchkins yet, these stacy are ankle-biters...
[03:21] <spacey> flint1, :)
[03:21] <spacey> lol
[03:22] <flint1> go with the map to machines, and allude to giving them their own space.  This could be and educational avenue.
[03:22] <\sh> spacey: this is a good approach..give them something like a "businesscard" with their usernames and password
[03:22] <\sh> thats what we did in primary school
[03:22] <spacey> \sh, i will remember that :)
[03:22] <spacey> sounds like something that might work
[03:23] <flint1> The sooner and ankle-biter develops an electronic identity, the sooner they graduate to munchkin status.
[03:23] <ogra> flint1, do you know if elkner tested my themeable login app ?
[03:23] <spacey> at least for the older grades
[03:23] <flint1> oh boy,  am i in trouble...
[03:23] <spacey> anyway we don't have to reset the passwords if they forget, the local school employee will do that
[03:23] <\sh> spacey: it works as well for smaller kiddings...and also for difficult learning/behaviour kids...
[03:24] <ogra> i think i couls add something like usb key or smartcard authentication to it... but i need tests tests tests to have it in breezy+1
[03:24] <flint1> I swear I will test it by tomorrow!  A MIGHTY OATH!!!
[03:24] <\sh> ogra: the kids need an approach, it should handled as a game
[03:24] <flint1> ollie this I&A question is most delicate.  It relates to child development as much as technology.
[03:25] <flint1> Ollie the game idea is facinating... What is your angle?
[03:25] <Mithrandir> ogra: I think adding getting opensc support integrated into breezy+1 would rock.
[03:25] <Mithrandir> ogra: only problem is the cards cost a little bit each, and so do the readers.
[03:26] <ogra> i nearly rewrote gdm for that temeable ldm thing... now adding features should be easy...
[03:26] <flint1> opensc is not for either ankle-biters or munchkins, is if for the next level after?
[03:26] <ogra> flint1, \sh make some mockups how it should be, i can build it in...
[03:27] <\sh> Mithrandir: thinking about those sun solaris enterprise extention..
[03:27] <Mithrandir> flint1: opensc is a framework for smartcards.
[03:27] <ogra> (or write ups if no mockups)
[03:27] <JaneW> hi...
[03:27] <flint1> yea i got opensc,
[03:27] <Mithrandir> flint1: so it would be sunray-like, except you wouldn't have to buy sun and run solaris.
[03:27] <\sh> ogra: it's nothing technical...this is educational and psychological approach ;)
[03:27] <ogra> its a feature i'm missing since ages in gdm...
[03:28] <ogra> \sh, yes, make me a step by setp list how such a game should look like
[03:28] <Mithrandir> flint1: if we manage to get nx rocking for breezy+1, it'll mean you can disconnect your session and such too
[03:28] <flint1> keep in mind that spacey's question related to very young children.  in the case of these very young you map to the machine and go on with education.
[03:28] <\sh> ogra: how did u start in primary school?
[03:28] <\sh> u got your card with your name ;) and you were responsible for this card
[03:28] <ogra> flint1, as i said, if i get a writeup how such a game should look like, i can implement it
[03:29] <\sh> and u were proud to have this card
[03:29] <flint1> lemme think abou this game idea some more ollie...
[03:29] <ogra> oki
[03:29] <spacey> Mithrandir, FreeNX works in breezy perfectly
[03:29] <flint1> suppose you could not join the "game" unless you had an identy (eg I&A)
[03:29] <spacey> got it installed succesfully on Edubuntu server as well
[03:30] <ogra> spacey, its not even *in* breezy
[03:30] <spacey> ogra, well external repo ;)
[03:30] <spacey> but it works
[03:30] <spacey> :p
[03:30] <ogra> i know... that has a reason, you know ?
[03:30] <Mithrandir> spacey: the packaging sucks.  Which is why I'm working on fixing that.
[03:30] <spacey> second X codebase?
[03:30] <ogra> spacey, see Mithrandir
[03:30] <flint1> i believe that someone has been at the apt repository, FreeNX is a good thing.
[03:30] <spacey> Mithrandir, the packaging is ok i think, i don't mean the one in backupports repo
[03:31] <spacey> oh the packaging in general
[03:31] <flint1> spacy, have you looked at someting called "teacher tool"?
[03:31] <spacey> yeah that might be true
[03:31] <spacey> flint1, nop, i should?
[03:31] <ogra> flint1, doesnt work with our ltsp implementation
[03:32] <flint1> it may be broken right now, look carefully.
[03:32] <flint1> it allowed the teacher to display to all desktops as well as lookin in on any desktop.
[03:32] <flint1> way better than a video projector.
[03:32] <ogra> flint1, it monitors remote X11 sessions... we done even use X for transport in our ltsp...
[03:32] <flint1> I know, can we ever get that functionality back?
[03:33] <ogra> flint1, thats what SCP is planned for, but i havent had the time to finish it in time for breezy
[03:33] <flint1> another breezy +1 item then.
[03:33] <ogra> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/pre3/29050-3.png
[03:33] <ogra> oops
[03:33] <ogra> http://www.grawert.net/SCP.png
[03:33] <ogra> thats what i meant...
[03:34] <flint1> very nice, and not very big as a file....
[03:34] <ogra> the network button will show a little screenshot of the desktop, the right pane will list all running apps with n option to stop them
[03:34] <spacey> nice
[03:34] <ogra> if you click the network button, the tool will automaticaly establish a VNC connection to the students desktp
[03:35] <ogra> 90% works, but the missing 10% are taking much time...
[03:35] <flint1> ollie if you implemented teachertool with FreeNX could teacher tool be made to work?
[03:35] <ogra> thats why it became a dapper item
[03:35] <spacey> ogra, available for testing?
[03:35] <ogra> flint1, implementing teacher tool would mean rewrite teacher tool
[03:36] <ogra> spacey, nope
[03:36] <ogra> flint1, thats more work than finishing SCP
[03:36] <flint1> ok, i know the original author
[03:36] <flint1> hey Johnathan
[03:36] <flint1> sorry jonathan...
[03:37] <flint1> gotta loose that "h"
[03:37] <ogra> where is our chairwoman ?
[03:38] <ogra> JaneW, ?
[03:38] <flint1> The student control panel is nice.  The viceral real time control that teachertool gave is potent.
[03:38] <flint1> bet she is making tea or some other such commonwealth activity...
[03:39] <ogra> flint1, its mainly incorporating all teacher tool functionality, just with the right backends for edubuntu...
[03:39] <ogra> flint1, yes, but i'm german... you know we germans need a leader ;)
[03:39] <flint1> can you actually share and view desktops?
[03:40] <JaneW> ogra: I'm multitasking but here...
[03:40] <ogra> flint1, the teacher can VNC to the pupils desktop...
[03:40] <flint1> ...give me one generation of german youth....
[03:40] <JaneW> this one hour meeting has a habit of dragging on to 2 hours at least...
[03:40] <flint1> I was writing up a high level wish list for edubuntu... any ideas
[03:40] <ogra> JaneW, since we drift into #edubuntu chatiing since 20min, cn we adjourn the meeting and move over to #edubuntu ?
[03:41] <flint1> that's because I am always late!
[03:41] <JaneW> flint1: add to BOF list please, so it doesn;t get lost
[03:41] <flint1> bof url?
[03:41] <JaneW> I wish it would just work!
[03:41] <JaneW>  ;)
[03:41] <ogra> JaneW, what ?
[03:41] <JaneW> http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuBelowZero
[03:41] <flint1> Did you go and get tea jane?
[03:42] <flint1> thanks jane...
[03:42] <JaneW> flint1: not yet
[03:42] <JaneW> ogra: joke...
[03:42] <JaneW> ogra: that was my wish for the wish list (i.e. all the bugs could dissappear)
[03:42] <ogra> JaneW, i just didnt understand whatshould just work :)
[03:42] <ogra> JaneW, ah... at least we have it "chicken install" ready since todays build :)
[03:43] <ogra> i.e. put some seeds on the enter key, put a chicken in front of the pc and boot it with te edubuntu CD ... in one hour the chicken fnished your install
[03:43] <JaneW> lol
[03:44] <JaneW> ogra: will the chicken be cooked by the end too?
[03:44] <ogra> untested yet though
[03:44] <JaneW> that would be cool...
[03:44] <Mithrandir> ogra: does the partitioner default to "eat my partitions"?
[03:44] <ogra> lest see, thats an extra installer option, i'll talk to colin about a oven.udeb
[03:44] <flint1> the install works ok.
[03:44] <ogra> Mithrandir, its the same partitioner as ubuntu uses with the same defaults
[03:45] <Mithrandir> ogra: then you need to put some seeds on the left arrow key too
[03:45] <ogra> Mithrandir, ah, damned iforgot...
[03:45] <ogra> so only a 99.9% chicken install :)
[03:45] <flint1> if it is going to eat partitions, why not call it cookie_monster?  There are draditions...
[03:45] <ogra> lol
[03:46] <ogra> so can we close the meeting and move the common chatting over to #edubuntu ?
[03:46] <ogra> JaneW, ^^ ?
[03:46] <JaneW> yes please
[03:46] <JaneW> ta
[03:46] <ogra> thanks jane
[03:47] <JaneW> thanks again for a great achievement with the preview
[03:47] <flint1> Ollie, I damed you with too faint praise, forgive me.
[03:47] <ogra> to be honest, todays daily is what i wanted for preview...
[03:47] <flint1> you done good Ollie.
[03:48] <ogra> its technically far beyond the preview
[03:48] <JaneW> cool
[03:48] <flint1> ok I'm outa here...later youse guys (and gals).
[03:49] <flint1> bye
[03:49] <JaneW> so Edubuntu 1.0 can be called the Pecking Chicken relase...
[03:49] <JaneW> bye
[03:49] <ogra> but we have only 6 bugs left now... so i look forward to release with a calming feeling...
[03:50] <ogra> (as long as we solve 14967 and 12942 during the net 4 weeks)
[03:50] <JaneW> nod
[06:22] <Yann2> hi
[06:22] <Yann2> i had a question.. who s in charge at canonical for shipit?
[06:26] <Lathiat> Yann2: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/shipit/


[01:22] <akerok> Hello everyone.  I have a bit of an issure with my ubuntu server.
[01:22] <RoyK> !ask
[01:24] <akerok> I'm running ubuntu server 12.04, and I was trying to configure the IP address to my new static IP so it can be accesses online (it's a web server).  I have to run it in a VM (I'm using Virtual Box for this).  I can no longer access the server using ssh, and I can't get it to allow me to access it directly.  It doesn't even give me the option to log in directly.
[02:23] <pdtpatrick> Why does pvcreate give an error when ran in a script that device is ignored or filtered but running the same command manually works just fine? http://pastie.org/private/unch4uvjjkmmtpimsxwv8q
[04:40] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1094984 in exim4 (main) "/etc/aliases does not work (dpkg-reconfigure error)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1094984
[05:21] <djx> hello, what's the default image viewer for ubuntu server?
[08:07] <antix> image viewer? there's no gui for ubuntu server...
[11:54] <madc|SPYnX> How to start with the GUI in ubuntu server?
[11:55] <jonbaer> is this the right forum to ask cloud-init questions?
[12:25] <slyboots> Hello
[12:26] <slyboots> Anyone aware of a variant of ubuntu that I can install and "blind-bood"
[12:26] <slyboots> *boot, preferably something that'll auto-start, grab DHCP and start up something like ssh/vnc?
[13:02] <sw0rdfish> jeez
[13:02] <sw0rdfish> what were the websites for european VPS' for 5 or 6 euros again?
[13:13]  * slyboots faceplants
[13:14] <slyboots> Anyone know how you delete a freaking mdadm RAID array?  It keeps rebuilding despite me deleting it..
[13:14] <slyboots> And running mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdX doesnt work "mdadm: Unreconginised md component device - /dev/sdX"
[13:20] <RoyK> slyboots: mdadm --stop ?
[13:20] <RoyK> slyboots: then just dd a bunch of zeros on the devices
[13:21] <slyboots> Aye, Thats what Im doing now.. its crazy thats what its come to
[13:22] <RoyK> a few megabytes will do
[13:22] <RoyK> on each device
[13:22] <slyboots> Aye, rebooted and its no-longer seeing the RAID array anymore, weird thats what the solution is though
[13:22] <slyboots> Still trying to figure out the best way to build a NAS, 4x disks.. quite keen to try ZFS but.. eh
[13:23]  * RoyK finds that a rather terrific solution ;)
[13:23] <RoyK> ZFS is cool, but not as flexible as md
[13:23] <RoyK> and under fuse, write speeds suck rather hard
[13:23] <slyboots> I thought it was native, not fuse
[13:24] <slyboots> (Although write-speeds are awful)
[13:24] <RoyK> no native zfs in linux yet, that is, zfsonlinux exists, but probably not stable yet
[13:24] <RoyK> and will probably *never* enter any distro because of licensing
[13:24] <slyboots> Aye, mdadm seems a bit.. I dunno, build it once and it had to resync twice.. :P
[13:25] <RoyK> MD is like, build a mirror, convert to raid-5, add a few drives and convert to raid-6, get low on space, convert to raid-5 again...
[13:26] <RoyK> zfs is like, build a raidz1 VDEV and it'll stay in that form until you remove it
[13:26] <slyboots> Well, thats not a huge problem. I've got a lil hp microserver so it only takes 4x disks anyway
[13:26] <RoyK> but then, zfs has checksumming and support for l2arc and slog, ssd caching
[13:26] <slyboots> But yea, the performance is *awful*
[13:27] <RoyK> slyboots: then use omnios or openindiana or some other illumos distro - there it's native, and pretty neat
[13:27] <slyboots> Yea I tired openindina, spend about a hour sobbing in a corner lol..
[13:27] <RoyK> performance with MD is quite good ;)
[13:27] <slyboots> Yea with mdadm Im getting about 60=80MB/sec over GigE which is about.. wella s much as you can hope for
[13:27]  * RoyK had 350TiB or so on openindiana at his last job
[13:27] <slyboots> ZFS was about.. 20MB/sec?
[13:28] <RoyK> that's because of fuse
[13:28] <slyboots> WEll, might try a native zfs, see if it really makes a difference
[13:28] <RoyK> native zfs is quite fast
[13:28] <RoyK> it won't be as fast as MD, though, because of the checksumming
[13:29] <slyboots> well I figure it shouldnt be slower by a factor of 4..
[13:29] <RoyK> of course, you can turn that off for a dataset, but that somewhat takes away the fun of zfs
[13:29] <RoyK> slyboots: you can't compare native zfs with zfs under fuse...
[13:29] <slyboots> Yea, Checksumming is good.. dedup not so much
[13:29] <RoyK> don't use it
[13:29] <RoyK> I mean DO NOT USE DEDUP ON ZFS
[13:29] <RoyK> I've spent hours testing that
[13:30] <slyboots> Oh neat, OmniOS has a esxi application, ssweet
[13:30] <RoyK> there's a very good reason why dedup never entered Solaris 11
[13:31] <slyboots> Its just awful? :P
[13:31] <RoyK> well, it doesn't work too well, unless you have a terabyte of RAM or so
[13:34] <RoyK> slyboots: but with something illumos, you get snapshotting and perhaps SSD caching (if you have room for that in that microserver)
[13:35] <slyboots> Nah, its pretty tight fit unless I did something over USB/eSATA
[13:35] <RoyK> slyboots: but then, you get snapshotting if you're brave enough to use btrfs, and ssd caching if you're brave enough to use bcache ;)
[13:36] <slyboots> lol, lot of intresting things you can do but.. eh, its only a lil server so.. playing it safe
[13:37] <RoyK> ext4 on MD is safe
[13:37] <RoyK> omnios or openindiana should be safe too
[13:37] <slyboots> Aye, shall be intresting to test em
[13:38] <RoyK> if you have windows clients, snapshots show up under "previous versions" in windows if you have an illumos server (given you use the CIFS server, and not Samba)
[13:38] <slyboots> Ah cool, shadow-copy support?
[13:38] <RoyK> yep
[13:38] <slyboots> Neat :)
[13:44] <RoyK> setup a server on that for a remote office in my last job - never heard a word of anything related to data restores later ;)
[13:44] <RoyK> the autosnapshot service in Illumos is rather good for such things
[13:45] <RoyK> unless you do something stupid as starting to use some file area with snapshotting as a spooling space or temp space
[13:45] <slyboots> heh, we still have to take care of that manually at work :P
[13:47] <RoyK> slyboots: as I said, zfs doesn't support extending VDEVs or changing RAID levels. It supports replacing drives with bigger ones, though (given zpool set autoexpand=on)
[13:47] <slyboots> Kinda shitty like that, odd you cant expland
[13:47] <slyboots> *expand
[13:48] <RoyK> it'll require the famous block pointer rewrite mechanism that was reported to be worked on some three years ago
[13:48] <slyboots> :P
[14:13] <sw0rdfish> errr
[14:19] <RoyK> er?
[14:37] <sw0rdfish> i forgot the website with 6 euro VPS
[14:37] <sw0rdfish> germany based vps
[14:44] <RoyK> no idea
[14:45] <RoyK> google sent me to http://www.alvotech.de/
[14:45] <RoyK> google:vps 6 euro site:.de
[15:15] <slyboots> RoyK: Dont suppose you know any good gides for this OmniOS :P
[15:18] <RoyK> slyboots: just follow the guides for openindiana or even opensolaris
[15:18] <RoyK> same thing, different wrapping
[15:19] <RoyK> slyboots: but if you want to install on a microserver, I guess that only has four drives, are all four of them meant to be used for data?
[15:19] <RoyK> if so, use a pen drive for the root
[15:19] <RoyK> or two
[15:19] <slyboots> AYe, already got that all setup
[15:20] <RoyK> zpool create mydatapool dev1 dev2 dev3 dev4
[15:20] <RoyK> probably something like c0t0d0
[15:20] <RoyK> don't partition them
[15:20] <RoyK> slyboots: btw, /j #omnios for this
[15:21]  * slyboots nods
[17:22] <slyboots> -So..... Filesystems!
[17:22] <slyboots> Its on a home NAS, mostly large files like media.. perforamnce is imporataint so Im thinking either ext4 which appears to be the Go-to FS.. but I've heard xfs is quite good too
[17:28] <RoyK> slyboots: no big difference
[17:29] <RoyK> ext4 is a good allrounder, xfs is perhaps better on large files, but sucks sick through a straw when it comes to metadata operations, like lots of files in a directory
[17:30] <slyboots> Mmm..
[17:30] <slyboots> AYe, I've decided to sod ZFS, at least for now
[17:30] <slyboots> Wills tick with ZFS..
[17:31] <slyboots> Found some awsome tweaks for mdadm thats got the rebuild down from 10+ hours to about 3
[17:31] <RoyK> zfs is good for dedicated storage systems IMHO
[17:31] <slyboots> Aye, I've used FreeNAS and its worked well in the past, no idea why its so god awful inside a VM
[17:32] <RoyK> erm
[17:32] <RoyK> don't use a VM for hosting storage
[17:32] <RoyK> just don't
[17:32] <RoyK> it's stupid
[17:32] <slyboots> Eh, I dont have the hardware to avoid it
[17:34] <slyboots> Maybe in a few months when Im not crazy poor will buy something dedicated
[17:34] <RoyK> then setup the system with native drives and use it for virtualization
[17:34] <RoyK> not the other way around
[17:35] <qman__> actually, that's not true anymore of xfs
[17:35] <qman__> but I don't trust it because it's lost my data more than once
[17:35] <qman__> I'm going to zfs myself
[17:35] <RoyK> qman__: really? they fixed it?
[17:35] <qman__> yes, as of ~3.0
[17:35] <qman__> kernel 3.0 that is
[17:35] <RoyK> ok
[17:35] <slyboots> I dunno, its hard enough getting zfs going inside OpenIndiana, I would dread setting up virtulisation isnide that too
[17:36] <slyboots> Plus, I've no screen for my microserver lol
[17:36] <RoyK> slyboots: it's no problem getting zfs going good in openindiana ;)
[17:37] <RoyK> qman__: I chose !zfs because of the flexibility of MD
[17:37] <slyboots> RoyK: yea but its using it for aother things too, its too.. "Strange"
[17:37] <slyboots> :P
[17:38] <RoyK> slyboots: well, I can't blame you for not knowing what you do, but I can try ;)
[17:38] <jchamb2010> Hi, does anyone here have knowledge of dual NIC setups and wouldn't mind helping me troubleshoot an issue I'm having? More info: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2100344
[17:38] <slyboots> But yea, mdadm works "Fine" inside a VM enviroment
[17:38] <slyboots> Get about 60-80MB writes, thats about as best as I Could hope
[17:38] <RoyK> slyboots: Just don't run storage servers virtualized
[17:38] <RoyK> slyboots: really
[17:39] <qman__> jchamb2010, you have two gateways, don't do that
[17:39] <RoyK> slyboots: as in *really*
[17:39] <jchamb2010> qman__ : is that really all it is?
[17:39] <qman__> if you need both gateways you need to either set up metrics, or configure load balancing
[17:39] <qman__> otherwise get rid of one
[17:39] <jchamb2010> qman__ : IDK why I didn't try that
[17:41] <qman__> yep, that's all it is
[17:41] <qman__> as-is, they're treated as identical
[17:41] <jchamb2010> I'll try that and see what happens
[17:41] <qman__> and the kernel stupidly assumes that they are identical in every way, and just chooses at random where to send traffic out
[17:41] <qman__> regardless of its nature
[17:41] <qman__> and expects it to come back from either
[17:42] <jchamb2010> I can disable the eth0 though, and eth1 still won't work
[17:43] <qman__> it might not be configured right, or plugged into the right spot
[17:43] <qman__> is <IP_ADDRESS> pingable through eth0?
[17:43] <jchamb2010> yes
[17:43] <jchamb2010> what you said works though :) i removed a gateway and it started working
[17:45] <qman__> <IP_ADDRESS> is pingable from here, so it looks like you're all set
[17:45] <jchamb2010> Thank you very much :)
[17:54] <jchamb2010> I replied to the thread with the fix and thanking you. Have a good afternoon :D
[18:18] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #994521 in openldap (main) "package slapd 2.4.28-1.1ubuntu4 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/994521
[18:58] <SnowBro-> hello there
[18:59] <SnowBro-> need some help please
[19:02] <SnowBro-> first of all i want to say sorry for my english, it's not my native...now the issue, im NEW to Linux and i pick Ubuntu Server as my option because the great support community that it has, im trying to put to work a machine as a server, i already installes LAMP environment (from tasksel), and i have everything working inside my network (i can access to the server in every machine inside my house), but i dont know how to go out with
[19:02] <SnowBro->  the server, thats my issue, any clues?
[19:15] <rckrd> hey guys, so i've have a small personal server and i want to use it for a few different things (development, music server, etc).  Whats the best way to keep these functions separate?  Virtual machines?  Or just different users and groups?
[19:21] <greppy> rckrd: unless you have LOTS of resources ( RAM & CPU ) just use different users/groups.
[19:39] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1039763 in cinder "Multiple nova-volume services fails to create volume on second storage server when using Nexenta driver" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1039763
[22:06] <uvirtbot`> New bug: #1095145 in openssh (main) "package openssh-server 1:5.9p1-5ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1095145


[07:16] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:16] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN
[07:16] <oSoMoN> hey duflu
[07:30] <seb128> gooood morning desktopers
[07:30] <oSoMoN> salut seb128
[07:30] <marcustomlinson> morning oSoMoN duflu and seb128
[07:30] <oSoMoN> hey marcustomlinson
[07:31] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, en forme ?
[07:31] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, how are you?
[07:32] <marcustomlinson> seb128: Thought it was Friday for a moment, but otherwise, good thanks :P you?
[07:32] <oSoMoN> seb128, très bien, j’ai dormi plus que d’habitude, et toi?
[07:32] <seb128> good, it's friday!
[07:32] <seb128> oSoMoN, ça va bien aussi :)
[07:32] <seb128> marcustomlinson, or sort of, thursday is an holiday and I swapped it for tomorrow :)
[07:32] <marcustomlinson> seb128: oh yes :)
[07:32] <marcustomlinson> nice
[07:34] <oSoMoN> same here
[07:35] <marcustomlinson> seb128: your day off tomorrow isn't on the holiday calendar, naughty naughty
[07:36] <seb128> marcustomlinson, tell that to my slacker of manager who isn't around this week :p
[07:36] <marcustomlinson> haha
[07:36] <duflu> Morning seb128 and marcustomlinson
[07:36] <seb128> joke aside I can't approve it a formal swap but I can at least add it to the calendar :)
[07:37] <seb128> marcustomlinson, it is now :)
[07:37] <marcustomlinson> seb128: and balance is restored to the world
[07:37] <seb128> \o/
[07:47] <RAOF> Bah! Stupid colord autopkgtest.
[07:48] <RAOF> Is `# GLib-GIO-DEBUG: _g_io_module_get_default: Found default implementation local (GLocalVfs) for ?gio-vfs?` likely to be the underlying cause of a failure?
[07:50] <seb128> RAOF, hey, it shouldn't... do you have the full log?
[07:52] <RAOF> Not to hand, sorry. There wasn't anything else interesting in there as far as I could tell, though.
[07:56] <RAOF> I guess I'll need to poke a bit deeper too work out what's happening.
[07:56] <seb128> RAOF, did it fail because of stderr output which isn't allow or what?
[07:56] <RAOF> No, the test itself fails.
[07:57] <RAOF> Times out trying to add a profile from a client-provided fd
[07:59] <seb128> :(
[08:03] <Laney> ello
[08:09] <RAOF> Yo, Laney!
[08:11] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:13] <duflu> Hi Laney
[08:15] <seb128> duflu, so, pulseaudio ... I asked the Debian maintainer about the new version, his reply was to add me to the salsa group and tell me I was welcome to update there. Also he said he would be happy to move the vcs on salsa/the same infra as Debian, wdyt?
[08:16] <duflu> seb128, can you rephrase that last part?
[08:17] <seb128> duflu, he suggested hosted the ubuntu branch on https://salsa.debian.org/pulseaudio-team/pulseaudio directly
[08:17] <seb128> rather than launchpad
[08:17] <seb128> hosting*
[08:17]  * duflu looks at the Launchpad rep
[08:17] <duflu> repo
[08:17] <seb128> https://salsa.debian.org/pulseaudio-team/pulseaudio
[08:17] <seb128> well I say I would ask around
[08:18] <seb128> I will rather send an email, I guess it also impact other team since we have snap branches and such
[08:18] <duflu> seb128, I think we have too many contributors to the Ubuntu branches, and too many Ubuntu branches to bother moving them all to a different server, without good reason
[08:18] <seb128> duflu, right, good point
[08:18] <seb128> I will still send an email but I tend to agree with you
[08:19] <seb128> meanwhile I got access to the Debian vcs, so I will get the update done there
[08:19] <seb128> then we can update eoan by rebasing
[08:19] <duflu> seb128, I just wanted to minimise duplication so that meant waiting till a pristine tar (even prerelease) was done
[08:20] <seb128> right, well I can do that part now
[08:20] <seb128> so we should be good
[08:22] <seb128> k, on that note, dropping offline to go back from coffee (stupid laptop battery is already flat agian), brb
[08:37] <seb128> k, and back
[08:39] <Laney> hey RAOF seb128 duflu
[08:39] <Laney> seb128: batteries suck
[08:39] <seb128> hey Laney
[08:39] <seb128> indeed :-/
[09:27] <oSoMoN> ricotz, good morning! FYI I'm working on the thunderbird 68.0 update
[09:30] <ricotz> oSoMoN, great :)
[13:38] <seb128> oSoMoN, would be useful if you join #debian-gnome on OFTC and state there that you are working on an update when you start on one, to avoid work duplication (thanks Laney for pointing that out)
[13:38] <seb128> (there was no duplication so far so no worry, it's just safer this way)
[13:48] <oSoMoN> seb128, ack, will do
[13:49] <seb128> thx
[16:30] <oSoMoN> I'm calling it a day and disappearing for 4 days, have a great week-end everyone!


[17:32] <daftykins> cor, nasty temps
[17:40] <daftykins> is everyone surviving? :)
[17:47] <zxmpi> cool pop supply is getting dangerously low
[17:49] <daftykins> hope you changed the warning bulb already
[17:51] <zxmpi> an incandescent bulb? in this heat?
[17:53] <daftykins> depends where it is!
[17:54]  * daftykins checks some server temps
[18:24] <penguin42> cooled down a bit here
[18:43] <diddledani> I've been live streaming!
[18:43] <diddledani> the latest two videos on my channel are live streams! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8XzwNXc_n3tciV_5wTGRbA
[18:44] <daftykins> :O
[18:44] <diddledani> one investigating macOS Rosetta for Linux VMs and the other trying to fix some WSL2 systemd+AppArmor issues
[18:45] <diddledani> apparently my font was a bit smol tho
[18:47] <daftykins> looks interesting! must check 'em out :D
[18:53] <daftykins> i'm checking out that nutter Colin Furze's latest tunnel video atm, fun projects but the man himself is a wee bit intense ¬_¬
[19:50] <penguin42> diddledani: I'd be interested to see the output of /proc/cpuinfo from inside Rosetta
[19:52] <daftykins> rumour has it you have to like and subscribe for requests ;)
[23:04] <penguin42> daftykins: 'a little intense' is slightly under explaining
[23:05] <daftykins> :D
[23:05] <daftykins> i was trying to keep my remarks family friendly!
[23:11] <penguin42> oh god, he didn't actually ask for planning until now...
[23:13] <daftykins> i think he's right about being easier to forgive!
[23:28] <penguin42> that was the basic way of working in IBM :-)


[11:16] <thereyouare> if someone is banned from #ubuntu, is it temporary ?
[11:42] <hggdh> thereyouare: in most cases, yes. Some bans may be long-term, though
[11:53] <thereyouare> how to find out if its a long term or not ?
[12:00] <ikonia> thereyouare: are you banned ?
[12:01] <thereyouare> another person is and he asked me to get some information
[12:01] <ikonia> ask him to come to the channel and ask then
[12:01] <ikonia> it's that simple, if you are banned join this channel and talk to the operators and it can normally be worked out
[12:03] <thereyouare> faggots
[12:03] <ikonia> there we go
[12:03] <ikonia> bye
[18:48] <valorie> ha, that's the first time I've seen "asking for a friend" here
[18:49] <valorie> that's hilarious


[00:28] <krytarik> n-iCe: Please no random pinging of people, thanks.
[00:30] <n-iCe> sorry?
[00:30] <krytarik> Are you?
[00:30] <n-iCe> pinging?
[00:31] <krytarik> What you just did.
[00:31] <n-iCe> the command?
[00:31] <n-iCe> who told you that?
[00:31] <n-iCe> Because he is lying.
[00:33] <krytarik> I mean your line here just above mine.
[00:34] <n-iCe> I don't get it :D
[00:35] <n-iCe> but no, I did not ping anybody
[00:38] <krytarik> I'm referring to addressing someone by nick with a message - in this case greeting just because he joined the channel.
[00:40] <n-iCe> lol
[00:40] <n-iCe> is that bad?
[00:41] <n-iCe> I would never say hi to you, be sure haha
[00:41] <n-iCe> anyway, gotta go, kisses
[01:57] <fishcooker> how about video capture the desktop?
[01:57] <n-iCe> what?
[02:28] <fishcooker> n-iCe: kazam like
[02:32] <n-iCe> a software to record your screen?
[02:33] <n-iCe> 214
[02:33] <n-iCe> down vote
[02:33] <n-iCe> accepted
[02:33] <n-iCe> gtk-recordmydesktop
[02:33] <n-iCe> xvidcap
[02:33] <n-iCe> I like Byzanz; it records your activity as a GIF file.
[02:33] <n-iCe> SimpleScreenRecorder
[09:19] <prideborn> greetings
[09:20] <prideborn> how can i optimize flash-plugin on firefox for streaming video?
[14:58] <lls76> anyone here?
[15:02] <malonumas> yes
[16:31] <n-iCe> hi
[20:00] <n-iCe> Hi
[20:12] <malonumas> hi
[20:12] <n-iCe> How r u
[22:58] <n-iCe> hi
[23:33] <noft> best distro for any laptop
[23:35] <n-iCe> lubuntu!


[13:51] <yano> LOPSA tour of a Tier IV Nationwide data center in New Albany tonight, http://eevent.com/lopsa-columbus/201210?e=a81305
[13:56] <yano> 6:30PM to 8:00PM
[14:11] <canthus13> yano: ...ooo. a tour of racks and wires!
[14:11] <canthus13> (although, if they have pretty wiring I might be interested... :)
[14:16] <yano> they probably have pretty wiring
[14:17] <canthus13> Our NOC has neat, usable wiring... but I wouldn't call it pretty.
[14:18] <yano> heh
[14:31] <andygraybeal_> wow that sounds awesome
[14:38] <dzho> "neat, usable, pretty:  pick two" ?
[14:38] <yano> well, neat and pretty are almost the same thing
[14:38] <dzho> s/two/at most, two/
[14:38] <yano> and you always have to have 'usable'
[14:39] <dzho> we have closets where we get, at most, "neat"
[14:39] <dzho> all zip tied up, but no good way to trace from patch panel to switch port
[14:40] <dzho> usable in the sense of "it works right now" only.
[14:40] <dzho> eg, contractor gets sign off and then flitters off
[14:42] <canthus13> heh.
[19:50] <gilbert> what up ohio!
[19:50] <paultag> whaddup!
[19:50] <andygraybeal_> fit to the gils
[19:50] <gilbert> lazy aftanoon
[19:51] <Cheri703> not a ton overall
[19:52] <gilbert> paultag: i really need to give dputng a go ;)
[19:52] <paultag> gilbert: :)
[19:52] <paultag> gilbert: dude, I found an awesome link
[19:52] <paultag> gilbert: http://qa.debian.org/data/bts/graphs/by-maint/mgilbert%40debian.org.png
[19:52] <paultag> there's yours
[19:53] <paultag> SO COOL
[19:53] <Cheri703> I HAD AN IDEA YOU GUISE
[19:53] <gilbert> thats a loot of boogs!
[19:53] <Cheri703> GOOGLE HANG OUT MEETING
[19:53] <paultag> gilbert: mine's only ever gone up :)
[19:53] <paultag> Cheri703: hangouts rock
[19:54]  * Cheri703 is in one right now
[19:54] <gilbert> apparently the trand is up on mine too
[19:54] <Cheri703> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/2114eee6791d4d4818b131f409366f582149cc4e?authuser=1&hl=en#
[19:54] <paultag> I have one every AM for work, Cheri703
[19:54] <Cheri703> nice
[19:54] <paultag> gilbert: it's not so bad :)
[19:54] <Cheri703> I'm trying to get my work to use them more than just conference calling
[19:56] <andygraybeal_> gilbert, hit up new albany tonight if you can... a tour of Nationwide's server room
[19:57] <andygraybeal_> new albany was just a farm town when i grew up
[19:57] <gilbert> andygraybeal_: i'm in dayton now.  can't really make it :(
[19:58] <andygraybeal_> i'm on the other end over here ..east side near the river
[19:58] <paultag> thafreak: what happened with the akron folks' release party?
[19:58] <gilbert> Cheri703: any conclusive outcome on the meeting time?
[19:59] <Cheri703> looks like tuesday or thursday 8pm, either will work based on all respondents
[19:59] <gilbert> Cheri703: ok, lets just choose one and go with it
[20:01] <gilbert> i think i like thurs better
[20:03] <gilbert> Cheri703: do you want to send the announcement mail?
[20:03] <Cheri703> yeah, I was leaning toward thursday as well
[20:03] <Cheri703> yeah, I can send it
[20:04] <gilbert> ok, sounds good
[20:10] <Cheri703> sent and posted to forum


[00:09] <Bashing-om> krytarik: I also see a slight variation of the font saturation color on Wife's station - below the Riddell summary :(
[00:10] <krytarik> Like I said.. >_>
[00:29] <guiverc> 2x comments on hub article; why capital letters?
[00:33] <Bashing-om> guiverc: "16:34 < krytarik> And why are all flavors under the Testing Week summary spelled in lower case?" so I changed.
[00:34] <guiverc> my issue was "Canonical Sessions ... & Canonical Featured (capital on Sessions & Featured)
[00:35] <guiverc> they weren't in quotes (where I'd ignore case due quoting)
[00:36] <guiverc> s/Ubunt/Ubuntu developers/ in first blogo article Bashing-om
[00:37] <guiverc> sorry it's s/Ubunu/  but misspelled anyway
[00:37] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Lemme correct - doing at this time - as I too see no reason for capitals there.
[00:39] <guiverc> grr   Michael is spelt wrongly too in the fsck article too (2nd ref)
[00:45] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Good eyes ! edits done to this place :)
[00:45] <Bashing-om> awfkb for a short time - Honey do :)
[00:46]  * guiverc was just fighting to get keyboard working again after pup hopped paws up on desk...
[00:46] <guiverc> my read thru is done now..
[10:14] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Kubernetes operators and Open Operator Collection integration – Juju 2.9 @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/kubernetes-operators
[13:35] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Softpedia:: Mozilla Thunderbird Gets Mailfence Integration for Encrypted Email @ https://news.softpedia.com/news/mozilla-thunderbird-gets-mailfence-integration-for-encrypted-email-532536.shtml (by Bogdan Popa)
[15:57] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: Ubuntu Blog: Design and Web team summary – 29 March 2021 @ https://ubuntu.com//blog/design-and-web-team-summary-29-march-2021
[19:32] <Bashing-om> UWN: Pulling "WIP" checked log and no further edits ae known - Time to push 20:00 UTC :D
[20:00] <Bashing-om> UWN: ubuntu-news@lists is away - doing the Forum post next :D
[20:22] <Bashing-om> UWN: Forum post done - abridged update sections; doing the re-directs next :)
[20:39] <Bashing-om> UWN: Re-directs completed - pending is release to the Social Medias :D
[21:56] <guiverc> Bashing-om, okay to push 676 to fridge?   (when I get back with my drink)
[22:17] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Yup - push to the Fridge - no issues known :D
[22:17] <guiverc> https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/03/29/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-676/
[22:18] <guiverc> tweeted
[22:20] <Bashing-om> Fridge: spot check is good.
[22:35] <guiverc> fb done too
[22:36] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Wipe clean, rinse and repeat now ?
[22:38] <guiverc> yep, scrub away
[22:40] <Bashing-om> guiverc: Ho-Kay :D
[22:46] -SwissBot:#ubuntu-news- ::Planet:: The Fridge: Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 676 @ https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/03/29/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-676/
[22:50] <Bashing-om> We do UWN 677 :D


[00:08] <djs> is there any reason the new 4.7.0 mainline kernel would not want to decrypt the rootfs on boot?
[00:09] <djs> tried upgrading today but my disk is encrypted and 4.7.0 doesn't ask for a passphrase
[00:09] <djs> ubuntu 14.04
[07:55] <apw> djs, no known reason, the configs for those are generated from what is nearest so things can get lost
[07:55] <apw> they are only test builds
[12:49] <sforshee> smb: do you know if we still have utilities expecting xenbus to be mounted at /proc/xen?
[12:49] <smb> sforshee, yeah I was asked the same just a couple of minutes ago
[12:50] <sforshee> smb: oh, hah, I'm sure it's the same issue
[12:50] <smb> its those xe-guest-utilities which mount it so the guest can fill some guest data into the xenstore of the host
[12:51] <sforshee> smb: I just noted that there's a CONFIG_XEN_COMPAT_XENFS option which controls whether /proc/xen is created, and notes that it's for "old xenstore" tools
[12:56] <smb> sforshee, I had a look into the startup script of dom0 and those still want /proc/xen. So I have afeeling its less legacy than it sounds
[12:58] <sforshee> smb: ack, thanks
[17:15] <xboy> Hi there!
[17:15]  * apw looks up
[17:15] <xboy> I was wondering if ubuntu 16.10 going to have the kernel 4.6 or above ?
[17:16] <apw> xboy, yes, we have a 4.6 kernel pending now, which i hope to release when the freeze lifts for alpha2, 4.7 is being prepared
[17:16] <xboy> great!
[17:18] <xboy> I'm having trouble installing ubuntu 16.04 in a lenovo yoga 900, because of the nvme ssd, apw do you know if the kernel 4.6 have a good support for that kind of ssd?
[17:20] <apw> xboy, depends what sort of nvme disk it is, i have heard peopel saying nvme "version 2" disks are a problem but i have not seen any evidence
[17:20] <apw> xboy, does the disk even get recognised ?
[17:25] <xboy> no, during installation process(live usb) the system does not recognize the disk
[17:25] <apw> xboy, how are you determining that, not offering a disk to install to ?
[17:26] <apw> if you boot "Try Ubuntu" on it, and open a terminal, is the disk mentioned at all in dmesg
[17:26] <xboy> apw it's a samsung mzvlv512hcjh
[17:26] <apw> i can have a look at the dmesg if you can pastebinit or similar
[17:26] <xboy> give a sec. going to see dmesg
[17:28] <apw> xboy, and indeed what does "sudo lswh -c disk" say
[17:29] <xboy> ok, going to check
[17:41] <xboy> almost ready
[17:46] <xboy> here it's apw http://paste.ubuntu.com/21167215/
[17:46] <xboy> dmesg output
[17:48] <xboy> apw http://paste.ubuntu.com/21167520/ for the lshw command
[17:49] <apw> xboy, and if you "sudo modprobe nvme" does anything appear in the bottom of dmesg /
[17:50] <xboy> no, nothing apw
[17:55] <xboy> do you know what can I do so the system can detect it?
[17:55] <apw> xboy, at this moment, no.
[17:57] <xboy> do you know if the kernel 4.6 or 4.7 can help me apw?
[17:57] <apw> xboy, i do not
[17:57] <xboy> thank you apw!
[17:58] <xboy> oh one more question apw, do you know who can help me?
[17:59] <apw> xboy, from what i can see you are not the only one complaining, and the issue seems to affect linux in gneeral
[17:59] <apw> there is some discussion out there that suggests there may be something in bios, but not what
[18:02] <xboy> ohh ok, I'm going to try to talk to samsung
[18:03] <xboy> or where can I find a ubuntu live usb with a newer kernel(maybe that helps)?
[18:04] <apw> there is no installer image yet with a newer kernel, there may well be by next week, but not now
[18:06] <xboy> will wait then, thanks!
[18:06] <apw> xboy, i believe there is some work looking into this going on somewhere, i just do not know who right now
[18:09] <xboy> ok great, any idea where can I search?
[18:12] <apw> this was something i heard spoken about ...
[18:13] <xboy> oh ok
[21:53] <apw> ogra_, which package were you seeing us pointing to /GPL ?  i have looked over the primary kernels and they all point to /GPL-2
[21:54] <ogra_> apw, meta
[21:54] <ogra_> iirc
[21:54] <xboy> Are you there apw?
[21:54] <apw> ogra_, ahh yes, ok, thanks
[21:55] <xboy> If I download the latest kernel from ubuntu mainline, where I can find the vmlinuz and initrd.lz?
[21:59] <apw> xboy, the vmlinuz is in the linux-image-* the initrd is made when installed
[22:01] <xboy> ok thanks
[22:31] <attente> hi, how do i pass -no-pie when building the kernel? is there some env var i should set?
[23:01] <djs> apw: any ideas on how I might debug the 4.7.0 mainline kernel's failure to ask for a passphrase to decrypt the rootfs on boot?
[23:02] <djs> I assume the problem is in the initrd or initramfs-tools somewhere


[19:44] <swe3tdave> hey guys, je pensait qu'on pourrait déplacer le site web(ubuntu-qc.org) vers blogger.com et intégrer avec google+, j'aimerai simplifier la gestion du site. Quelqu'un à une objection? Commentaire? Meilleure idée?
[19:48] <IdleOne> Moving to  less free options seems odd to me, but I also believe in using what works. No objection here
[19:51] <swe3tdave> Canonical also seems to be going there.. using what works.. so i think that at this point, continuing to use drupal would not be the best solution, maintaining it is a problem and no one seems willing to do it.
[19:54] <swe3tdave> There is the fact that beside myself, magicfab and komputes, no one as been writing articles for at least 3 years
[19:56] <IdleOne> I was just mentioning the non freeness of it because it needed to be mentioned. Honeslty I don't have a problem with using Google/G+ :)
[19:57] <swe3tdave> i am waiting for magicfab answer for the transfer of the domain back to me, its time to renew anyway...
[19:58] <swe3tdave> anyone want to contribute a few bux?
[22:36] <lukjad> Hi guys
[22:37] <lukjad> Anyone heard of StarcraftMan?
[22:37] <lukjad> Recently, I mean
[22:37] <swe3tdave> no why?
[22:37] <lukjad> swe3tdave I've been trying to get back in touch with him.
[22:37] <lukjad> For about a year now
[22:42] <swe3tdave> well according to the wiki at ubuntu.com he was an ubuntu member, but he's not anymore.. meaning he did not renew.. and there are no apparent contribution in launchpad...
[22:44] <swe3tdave> but there is a bugs report msg dating from 2 month ago..
[22:47] <lukjad> Hm
[22:48] <swe3tdave> if you email him use the gmail address, the ubuntu.com one will not work
[22:55] <swe3tdave> lukjad: things is, irc might not be the best place to look for him... ;) look what i found<EMAIL_ADDRESS>Last seen  : May 20 21:45:59 2012 (1 year, 13 weeks, 4 days, 01:08:19 ago)
[23:02] <lukjad> swe3tdave I did e-mail him, and yeah, the nick is pretty dead
[23:03] <lukjad> Just was hoping someone from the team might know of his whereabouts
[23:11] <swe3tdave> lukjad: do you live in montreal? do you guys still do meetup or install party?
[23:12] <lukjad> I still live, but I'm not sure
[23:12] <lukjad> Never went to one
[23:12] <swe3tdave> i was wondering if there is still some action within the group, there is no use keeping the web site if there is none..
[23:29] <IdleOne> just because the amount of activities may have dropped in the past couple of years does not mean the site should be taken down
[23:30] <IdleOne> How much is needed to renew the domain?
[23:32] <IdleOne> dinner time
[23:50] <swe3tdave> if we take just one year now its fine i can pay its just about 8$ for a year, thats not the problem, i want to take at least 5 years, and i would like, to find out in the process, who is willing to contribute
[23:57] <swe3tdave> but i guess its fine, me and fabian taking turns at paying for the domains and such, i just think its missing a few motivated guys in here... compared to what it was before i mean.. :P


[15:34] <johnc4510> morning
[16:04] <kennymc0> morning
[16:14] <johnc4510> ION is up now
[16:16] <joey> aloha pilgrims
[16:17] <johnc4510> joey: hey bud
[16:17] <johnc4510> joey: i may not be around tomorrow, so: happy bday!!
[16:18] <joey> Yikes! You know!
[16:18] <joey> and thanks!
[16:18] <johnc4510> skype
[16:18] <johnc4510> np
[16:18] <joey> I'm doing something special. Finding out why LP keeps crashing :-)
[16:18] <johnc4510> i've noticed that
[16:18] <johnc4510> lol
[16:19] <johnc4510> i've got to respond to the list about the fridge thing later today too
[16:19] <johnc4510> :(
[16:20] <johnc4510> kennymc0: do you know who put in the updates this wk.  they took out the 9.04 header i put in and didn't do those
[16:20] <johnc4510> :(
[16:21] <johnc4510> i can't tell from the info page
[16:23] <joey> so johnc4510 uwn doesn't use gobby any longer?
[16:23] <johnc4510> no, we have used it in probably the last 80 issues or so
[16:25] <kennymc0> johnc4510: i dont know who did the updates
[16:25] <kennymc0> my guess would be lirazsiri
[16:26] <johnc4510> k
[16:26] <joey> just use the wiki then john?
[16:26] <johnc4510> i'm moving up to GCN then
[16:26] <johnc4510> joey: yeah
[16:26] <johnc4510> gobby seemed to hang, at least for me
[16:26] <johnc4510> :(
[16:27] <joey> johnc4510, you can use my server. It what we used for a while back in 06
[16:27] <joey> intranet.stan4d.net  same port... and I'll pm you pw
[16:28] <joey> since the channel is logged
[16:28] <johnc4510> k, thx. we'll give it a shot
[16:28] <johnc4510> yep
[16:28] <joey> autosave is enabled btw :-)
[16:29] <johnc4510> k
[17:29] <johnc4510> GCN is done now
[21:36] <johnc4510> The newest edition of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter is now available:
[21:36] <johnc4510> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue136


[09:14] <waveform> ikonia, jammy release notes: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-notes/24668 -- there's two pi specific sections (find "Raspberry Pi" in the page because discourse hasn't heard of contents tables)


[00:20] <SpamapS> flaccid: definitely
[00:20] <flaccid> sweet
[00:20] <SpamapS> flaccid: but its not really any more secure than chroot in that regard
[00:21] <SpamapS> flaccid: the biggest thing is you have network isolation so you could, on the host, firewall them
[00:25] <flaccid> sounds good
[00:26] <hallyn-afk> you can combine lxc with lsm for better results, but a lot of work needs to be done
[12:19] <koolhead11> kim0,
[12:24] <kim0> koolhead11: hey o/
[15:11] <crazed> welcome to the party
[15:31] <kim0> welcome .. huh what party ;)
[16:33] <raphink> hi there
[16:36] <raphink> aliguori, you have a question about preseeds?
[16:39] <aliguori> raphink, yeah, in #ubuntu-installer
[16:39] <raphink> haha
[16:39] <raphink> kirkland told me you were here
[16:39] <aliguori> raphink, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/586927/
[16:39] <aliguori> i'm happy to discuss anywhere :-)
[16:40] <aliguori> i'm trying to automate a guest install, so it's relevant here too :-)
[16:42] <aliguori> raphink, i'm trying to build a preseed file dynamically using commands, such that i can avoid remastering an iso and avoid needing a specific network configuration
[16:44] <raphink> hmmm, I'm not that much of a preseed expert ;-)
[16:44] <raphink> kirkland didn't specify the technicity of the question :-)
[16:45] <kirkland> raphink: <kirkland> any preseed wizards around?
[16:45] <kirkland> aliguori: sorry
[16:45] <raphink> right kirkland, you did say wizard ;-)
[16:45] <aliguori> heh
[16:45] <raphink> sorry I couldn't help you aliguori
[16:45] <aliguori> np
[16:45] <raphink> it's always worth a try ;-)
[16:45] <kirkland> aliguori: cjwatson will be able to help;  he's tied up getting beta1 out the door
[16:45] <aliguori> i tried to look through the source last night to figure it out myself... i quickly stopped that :-)
[16:46] <aliguori> there's some serious vodoo in that stuff
[16:51] <hallyn> kim0: zul: all right, whatever else works or doesn't work for me, I want to take kim0's patch to add netbase to the target debootstrap list i the natty lxc template.  I'll be asking to push a lxc package with that plus my other template fixes (bumping up the relase version by 2)
[16:51] <hallyn> next monday, that is
[16:51] <hallyn> kim0: do you remember the bug id offhand?
[16:51] <zul> hallyn: cool
[17:03] <kim0> hallyn: bug 740167
[17:04] <kim0> hallyn: so it wasn't a debootstrap thing ? I was convinced it was :)
[17:04] <hallyn> kim0: i think it is,
[17:04] <hallyn> but meanwhile while my containers build fine, i end up having to apt-get install netbase before i can do more packaging inside the container
[17:04] <hallyn> so let's just work around the silly thing
[17:05] <hallyn> kim0: can you mark bug 740167 as also affecting lxc?  :-)
[17:05] <kim0> yeah sure ..  debootstrap
[17:05] <kim0> I mean, I hope debootstrap guys will still properly fix it later
[17:05]  * kim0 marks
[17:07] <kim0> hallyn: done
[17:07] <hallyn> kim0: awesome, thanks
[17:08] <kim0> hallyn: btw doing apt-get -f install .. inside the container gets netbase
[17:08] <kim0> so apt knows it's a needed dep .. no idea why it's not installed first time though
[17:08] <hallyn> kim0: yeah, actually -f install is what i did i guess
[17:09] <hallyn> it's weird, no doubt
[19:34] <obino> kim0: sorry it took me so long to answer the forum post you mentioned
[19:34] <obino> just got to it
[21:13] <hallyn> SpamapS: all right i'm now stylin' with lvm-based lxc cloneing
[21:13] <hallyn> though it actually makes first bringup of the container a bit slower
[21:13] <hallyn> guess i'll see how i like it
[21:53] <Mathuin> I am using an official Ubuntu AMI and would like to access the key-value pairs called 'tags' which can be set when requesting an instance.  I don't see anything in cloud-info or anything else that might help.  Suggestions?
[21:54] <Mathuin> To be clear, I want to access those tags from _within_ the instance.
[21:58] <semiosis> Mathuin: best way i've found to do that is to create an IAM user with just enough privs to call DescribeInstances, then install the API tools & that IAM user's key onto the instance
[21:58] <semiosis> Mathuin: if there's a better way i'd sure like to know about it as well
[21:58] <Mathuin> semiosis: oh man that sounds totally annoying.
[21:59] <Mathuin> I was thinking there might be a web service call I can make after getting my instance-id from ec2metadata or something.
[21:59] <semiosis> yeah DescribeInstance is the EC2 API call, but you need an access key/secret key to do that, rather than using your master key I suggest creating a dedicated one with IAM just for that purpose
[22:00] <semiosis> the EC2 CLI command ec2-describe-instances makes that call, and it will return instance tags as well
[22:01] <Mathuin> Yeah, I could do that from outside.  Might also be able to use DescribeTags but without a key, and generating them is annoying.
[22:01] <semiosis> gotta run, good luck with that, i'd be interested to hear what you figure out if you feel like sharing.
[22:01] <Mathuin> I'll post on the forums and mention it here if I can.
[22:25] <mathiaz> smoser: kirkland: do you know if update-motd is run on EC2 lucid images?
[22:25] <kirkland> mathiaz: 99% sure, yes
[22:25] <mathiaz> smoser: kirkland: when I'm logging into my instance /var/run/motd never exists
[22:26] <kirkland> mathiaz: is /etc/motd a symlink to /var/run/motd?
[22:26] <mathiaz> kirkland: yes
[22:27] <mathiaz> kirkland: and pam_motd seems to be enabled:
[22:27] <mathiaz> kirkland: http://paste.ubuntu.com/587072/
[22:28] <kirkland> mathiaz: curious....
[22:29] <kirkland> mathiaz: let me launch and instance...  what's your ami?
[22:29] <mathiaz> kirkland: ami-3202f25b
[22:30] <kirkland> mathiaz: launched...
[22:34] <kirkland> mathiaz: hmm, worked fine for me
[22:34] <mathiaz> kirkland: hm...
[22:34] <kirkland> mathiaz: here ...
[22:35] <mathiaz> kirkland: could it be related to the fact that I don't use the ubuntu account?
[22:35] <kirkland> mathiaz: i don't think so ...
[22:35] <kirkland> mathiaz: ssh<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[22:36] <kirkland> mathiaz: i imported your pubkey there
[22:36] <kirkland> mathiaz: $ ll /etc/update-motd.d/99-kirkland
[22:36] <kirkland> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 38 2011-03-29 21:33 /etc/update-motd.d/99-kirkland*
[22:36] <mathiaz> kirkland: indeed
[22:37] <kirkland> mathiaz: you want to create one in there?
[22:37] <kirkland> mathiaz: maybe add another user, or something?
[22:38]  * mathiaz tries
[22:38] <mathiaz> kirkland: need to jet out
[22:39] <kirkland> mathiaz: okay
[22:39] <kirkland> mathiaz: i'll help you debug this
[22:39] <kirkland> mathiaz: but i can't reproduce it yet
[22:42] <kirkland> mathiaz: i just created a "kirkland" uesr
[22:42] <kirkland> mathiaz: and I get the motd there too
[22:43] <kirkland> mathiaz: i removed /var/run/motd, and it was recreated when i logged in as 'kirkland'


[12:03] <youngbin> hello
[12:04] <youngbin> kanashiro: hmm i guess mapreri won't join meeting today?
[12:07] <kanashiro> o/
[12:07] <kanashiro> no quorum again?
[12:09] <youngbin> i guess so
[12:09] <kanashiro> So let's skip this meeting again
[12:10] <youngbin> sure, i'll setup survey for finding better schedule
[12:10] <youngbin> byebye see you next time


[03:21] <holstein> Tigerboy: ?
[03:22] <holstein> the site doesnt say 'broken apart' does it
[03:22] <holstein> anyways, we are working on getting admin rights to edit/upload a new site
[03:22] <holstein> i installed ubuntustudio 11.04, and upgraded to 11.10
[03:23] <holstein> the only issue was i had to manually choose the XFCE session after reboot
[03:23] <holstein> personally, im still running 10.04 though
[09:02] <harlam> hello
[09:12] <harlam> does anyone know when OO will be released?
[14:22] <raven> hi
[14:22] <raven> rakarrack: zombified - calling shutdown handler rakarrack: ../../src/xcb_io.c:249: process_responses: Assertion `(((long) (dpy->last_request_read) - (long) (dpy->request)) <= 0)' failed.
[14:22] <holstein> raven: transmorgramofix always suggested to me running the latest from git
[14:22] <holstein> have you tried that?
[14:23] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rakarrack
[14:23] <raven> yes - same error
[14:23] <holstein> did you ask in #rakarrack?
[14:24] <raven> no such chan
[14:26] <holstein> hmmm
[14:26] <holstein> make sure you spell it right
[14:26] <holstein> im in #rakarrack
[14:26] <holstein> another good resource is #opensourcemusicians
[14:26] <raven> ok
[14:41] <holstein> raven: you might want to mess with JACK
[23:57] <cajuuh> can i install the ubuntu studio suites if i already have the ubuntu studio installed?
[23:57] <holstein> cajuuh: sure
[23:57] <holstein> actually, you dont have to do that
[23:57] <holstein> you can just install what you want
[23:57] <holstein> JACK, ardour
[23:57] <holstein> blender... whatever
[23:57] <holstein> the ubuntustudio metapackages are juwst a collection of those packages
[23:58] <holstein> and ubuntustudio is just a custom version with those pacakges installed and some tweaks
[23:58] <cajuuh> holstein; how?
[23:58] <holstein> cajuuh: however you install software
[23:58] <holstein> the software center
[23:58] <cajuuh> holstein; i tried to install from the cd again but it didnt work
[23:58] <holstein> cajuuh: ?
[23:59] <holstein> the ubuntustudio stuff wont be on the normal install CD
[23:59] <holstein> the packages are big
[23:59] <holstein> you'll need to be online
[23:59] <holstein> and then, use the software center, or synaptic
[23:59] <holstein> or sudo apt-get install whatever
[23:59] <holstein> aptitude...