[00:02] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2.3.2-beta
[00:05] <ulysses> \„/
[00:07] <ulysses> Amarok 2.3.2 won't be in Maverick?
[01:40] <ScottK> When is it planned for release?
[01:40] <ScottK> Is there a 10.04.1 release announcement planned?
[01:40] <ScottK> ryanakca: ^^^?
[02:34] <ScottK> ryanakca, Riddell, whoever has access: I can't seem to get auth to make a 10.04.1 release announcement for kubuntu.org.  I think we ought to have one.
[02:57] <ryanakca> ScottK: Pong
[02:58] <ScottK> ryanakca: 10.04.1 release just happened so all the kubuntu.org download links are broken.
[02:58] <ryanakca> ScottK: New website still only works under Konqueror. Do you have the new username / password?
[02:58] <ryanakca> ScottK: newz2000 and I are working on that
[02:58] <ScottK> ryanakca: I don't.
[02:58] <ScottK> OK.  Great.
[02:59] <ryanakca> ScottK: see /msg
[02:59] <ScottK> Yep.  I'll work on an announcement.
[03:06] <ryanakca> ScottK: Download page should now be up to date.
[03:07] <ScottK> Cool.  I'll do an announcement then.
[03:07] <ScottK> I can confirm that.
[03:07] <ryanakca> ScottK: Alright, will there be any updates to the ports?
[03:08] <ScottK> I'll check.
[03:08] <ryanakca> ScottK: Thanks
[03:16] <ScottK> ryanakca: Published.  Feel free to improve it.
[03:16] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^
[03:18] <ryanakca> ScottK: Thanks. If you hear back on the ports, you can update the link or send me an email and I'll take care of it in 6 or so hours. Until then, I'm off to bed :)
[03:18] <ScottK> ryanakca: OK.  Thanks for the help.
[03:19] <ScottK> Ports are less urgent in any case....
[03:20] <ryanakca> OK
[03:20] <ScottK> twedented too.
[03:23] <ryanakca> If you're distributing the text elsewhere, I've updated the announcement to fix a typo (s/do/to) and added a missing 'are'. In any case, really off to bed, thanks for writing the announcement :)
[03:23] <ScottK> ryanakca: I'm not.  Thanks.
[03:23] <ScottK> Actually I'll send mail.  Thanks again.
[03:26] <ScottK> Would someone who has ops in #kubuntu update /topic there.
[03:26] <maco> can do
[03:26] <maco> what should i update it with?
[03:26] <maco> oh the released thing?
[03:26] <ScottK> Yeah.
[03:26] <maco> uh is there a url to replace the kubuntu.org 10.04 released link?
[03:27] <ScottK> It'd be nice if someone who was subscribed to the Kubuntu user's list would write there too.
[03:27] <ScottK> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-and-kubuntu-netbook-10041
[03:27] <ScottK> It's pretty basic though.
[03:28] <maco> ok updated
[03:32] <valorie> no pictures!
[03:32] <valorie> for the Amarok release too -- no screenie
[03:39] <ScottK> Riddell can do a proper release announcement when he wakes up.
[03:40] <ScottK> That or ryanakca.
[03:40] <ScottK> That's what you get from me on a "why didn't someone else have this taken care of, OMG, I better do something" basis.
[03:40] <valorie> :-)
[03:41] <valorie> thanks for what you do, ScottK
[03:41] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[03:56] <valorie> apachelogger: natty narwhal look for ya - http://doctormo.deviantart.com/#/d2wn1ey
[04:06] <ScottK> Someone on planet.ubuntu.com please blog about Kubuntu and Kubuntu Netbook 10.04.1.
[04:06]  * ScottK is too tired.
[04:07]  * valorie ain't on ooobuntu.com
[04:07] <ScottK> JontheEchidna could do it.
[04:08] <nixternal> ahh, there is the amarok beta :)
[04:08] <nixternal> ScottK: I will do it
[04:08] <ScottK> nixternal: Thanks.
[04:10] <maco> i can do it
[04:10] <maco> oh wait
[04:10] <maco> im too slow
[04:10] <ScottK> maco: More than one is great.  I just wanted to make sure it was at least one.
[04:11] <maco> Riddell's still connected?  the server hosting his shell just went down....
[04:11] <ScottK> No.  He's not.
[04:11] <ScottK> Just hadn't timed out yet.
[04:11] <maco> oh there we go :P
[04:12] <maco> i was about to PM him / sladen on here to tell them "hey muse is down" but then realised they're both shell'd to here from there..
[04:16] <nixternal> task completed
[04:16] <nixternal> maco: after a few posts have hit the planet, do a post again
[04:17] <nixternal> I covered pk.o and p.u.c
[04:20] <maco> and when i do mine itll go to p.u-w.c and.... hmm... linuxchix, wfs, linux planet, i think theres another but cant think of it
[04:20] <maco> well p.u.c too obviously
[11:53] <Riddell> agateau: konqueror patch not perfect, it appears on the wrong side of the search bar plugin http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/konqueror.jpeg
[11:53] <Riddell> I wonder how that worked in KDE 3 days
[11:54] <agateau> Riddell: isn't it beautiful that way?
[11:54] <agateau> Riddell: just kidding
[11:54] <Riddell> good enough for me to upload
[11:54] <agateau> Riddell: can you unlock the toolbars to check if the search bar is in its own toolbar?
[11:55] <Riddell> agateau: it's all part of the location toolbar
[11:56] <agateau> Riddell: ok, should be fixable then
[11:56] <Riddell> so maybe something needs added to the rc file to say "merge plugin bits here"?
[11:57] <agateau> Riddell: that's it
[11:58] <agateau> Riddell: I assume I placed my action in the wrong position
[12:02] <agateau> Riddell: weird, the location bar as no merging bits in it
[12:02] <agateau> Riddell: maybe that's the reason it's appended actually
[12:03] <Riddell> agateau: if I add in the <Merge/> that fixes it
[12:07] <agateau> Riddell: yes, just tried it
[12:07] <agateau> Riddell: will update the MR
[12:10] <Riddell> does konqueror even have a maintainer now?  I suspect nobody is going to look at that merge request
[12:12] <agateau> Riddell: I am afraid so
[12:12] <agateau> Riddell: That's why I added David
[12:13] <agateau> I talked to Maksim Orlovich, but he was not really fond of the idea
[12:13] <Riddell> last I heard David doesn't do khtml/konq now since the world is moving away
[12:13] <agateau> I think he is trying to keep konq alive, maybe with webkit backend
[12:14] <agateau> he was looking at some konq mockups from kde-look during akademy
[12:16] <shadeslayer> does anyone have experience with kdesrc-build?
[12:17] <Riddell> agateau: uploaded
[12:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: includes your lack of previews  /me cries
[12:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: pardon?
[12:19] <Riddell> turned off previews in dolphin, it makes me sad
[12:19] <apachelogger> ohhh :(
[12:19]  * apachelogger says "there there" and taps Riddell on the shoulder ^^
[12:19] <Riddell> maybe I should change to nautilus, it does previews fine
[12:20] <apachelogger> it also does have api to enhance preview capabilities with easy plugin stuff
[12:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we have a patch for bug 596926 on b.k.o
[12:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: awooga
[12:21] <shadeslayer> do you want me to package it?
[12:21] <shadeslayer> :D
[12:21] <shadeslayer> or wait for it to be approved by upstream
[12:21]  * apachelogger is now phonon developer :P
[12:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lulz
[12:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do you run kde svn?
[12:22] <apachelogger> I only wanted html5 :(
[12:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[12:23] <shadeslayer> OOo behaves so much better in windoze :/
[12:23] <shadeslayer> and in gnome too
[12:23] <apachelogger> kde svn?
[12:23] <apachelogger> I am not sure kde svn behaves in gnome
[12:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: open office  :P
[12:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah go ahead
[12:24] <apachelogger> oh
[12:24] <shadeslayer> of course KDE svn will pwn gnome
[12:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: alrighty
[12:24] <shadeslayer> just need to clean up my report first :P
[12:24] <ghostcube> is there any possibility to get kmenu into cairo-dock as launcher or so?
[12:25] <Riddell> that sounds gnomeish
[12:26]  * apachelogger finds that name silly :S
[12:38] <debfx> apachelogger: have you already fixed all phonon-vlc bugs? :p
[12:39] <apachelogger> yes
[12:45] <debfx> so it doesn't crash anymore and amarok doesn't randomly stop after playing a track?
[12:59] <ghostcube> Riddell: yeah cairo-dock is more gnome than kde :)
[13:14] <ghostcube> damn i cant get kdemenu classic to be called by dbus
[13:14] <ghostcube> i dont get it -.-
[13:35] <ghostcube> ok guys who can answer my question about calling kmenu by dbus? anyone here or better asking in plasma?
[13:36] <ghostcube> cause there must be a way to do this
[13:58] <txwikinger> Anybody has an idea why the /etc/acpi/lid.sh script would respawn several times a minute?
[14:25] <dantti_work> :D 5th position :P https://bugs.kde.org/weekly-bug-summary.cgi
[14:28] <shadeslayer> dantti_work: nice :P
[14:29] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:29] <shadeslayer> new release named Natty Narwhal
[14:29] <shadeslayer> lulz
[14:29] <ghostcube> o.O
[14:30] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/478
[14:31] <ghostcube> oha
[14:31] <ghostcube> :D
[14:31] <ghostcube> shadeslayer you may know how to call kmenu by dbus?
[14:31] <ghostcube> -.- noone can tell me how or if it  is possible
[14:31] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: does it have registered dbus interface?
[14:31] <ScottK> ryanakca: dvd links should still point to 10.04.  AFAIK we didn't respin those.
[14:31] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^
[14:32] <ghostcube> shadeslayer: good question
[14:32] <ScottK> Riddell: Please make a better release announcement.  What's there now is my "Oh no, need one now" version.
[14:32] <shadeslayer> :P
[14:32] <ghostcube> how is kmenu called in general ?
[14:32] <ghostcube> in 3.5 it has been dcop
[14:33] <shadeslayer> i haz no idea... you can list them dbus interfaces tho
[14:33] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: qdbus | grep foo
[14:33] <shadeslayer> i think its org.kde.klauncher
[14:34] <ghostcube> shadeslayer: hmm, ok have to check later still at work
[14:35] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: if thats the one then use QDBusInterface
[14:35] <shadeslayer> like for KGet we have : QDBusInterface kget("org.kde.kget", "/KGet", "org.kde.kget.main")
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> I don't think kickoff has a dbus interface
[14:35] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: whuts KLauncher?
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> a launcher for KDE applications
[14:36] <shadeslayer> oic
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> via dbus
[14:36] <ghostcube> hmmmm
[14:36] <Riddelll> ScottK: download link added, I think it's all good otherwise
[14:36] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: no idea then :(
[14:36] <ghostcube> yeah, me too ;(
[14:36] <ScottK> Riddell: Cool.  Can you fix the dvd download links on the download page (apparently we own that now - a much part of last night's excitement).
[14:37] <ghostcube> how does kmenu work if i choose kemnu classic and hit the button what is then called ?
[14:37] <ghostcube> can i check this somehow?
[14:37] <shadeslayer> ghostcube: go through its source?
[14:37] <ghostcube> oi
[14:37] <ghostcube> :D
[14:38] <shadeslayer> :P
[14:38] <ghostcube> :)
[14:39] <ghostcube> oh kmenu classic is only plasmoid?
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> ghostcube: it removes the plasmoid via libplasma calls and adds a new one
[14:43] <JontheEchidna> (the new one being the menu/non-kickoff menu)
[14:43] <ghostcube> so this is miore tricky than only one line dbus :)
[14:45] <dpm> Riddell, shall we announce the Kubuntu translations day? Friday is getting closer
[14:46] <shadeslayer> dpm: we have a translations day? :P
[14:48] <Riddell> dpm: oh yes sorry, I'll do that now
[14:48] <dpm> cool, thanks :)
[14:55] <Riddell> dpm: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4313
[14:57] <dpm> Thanks Riddell, let me blog about it in a bit
[15:02] <ScottK> Riddell: Where are we on getting the updates policy approved in KDE?  Now that 10.04.1 is out of the way might be a nice time to push KDE 4.4.5 to -proposed.
[15:03] <Riddell> ScottK: I've utterly failed to get round to pushing it upstream
[15:03] <Riddell> although the guy who objected last time said he didn't remember why he objected when I asked at akademy so maybe he'll continue not to remember :)
[15:03] <ScottK> Maybe give it another push then?
[15:04] <ScottK> It seems to mostly document current practice anyway.
[15:08] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i think kmymoney is done.. will show it to debian first :D
[15:13] <ScottK> Great.
[15:53] <ryanakca> ScottK: fixing
[15:53] <ScottK> ryanakca: Thanks.
[15:54] <ScottK> ryanakca: There's a mail to reply to on kubuntu-devel when it's fixed.
[15:54] <ryanakca> OK
[16:15] <shadeslayer> debfx: you were working on the kpk fix right?
[16:25] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: pokes
[16:26] <shadeslayer> where do i modify the install path for kde nightly, so that it installs in /opt/kde
[16:26] <shadeslayer> or /opt/nightly/kde
[16:45] <debfx> shadeslayer: nope, is it broken?
[16:45] <shadeslayer> debfx: yeah, select best server doesnt work
[16:45]  * shadeslayer wonders who asked him to test bzr
[16:59] <apachelogger> debfx: the crash is apparently related to pulse not being thraedsafe
[18:33] <shadeslayer> how would one go back one commit in git?
[18:34] <shadeslayer> not actually revert the commti
[18:34] <shadeslayer> but take a step back
[18:46] <yofel> shadeslayer: well, the previous commit would be 'HEAD^', afaik checkout will uncommit the changes so you still have them as a diff, while reset will rever the commit completely
[18:46] <yofel> wait
[18:47] <yofel> reset will uncommit the changes and reset --hard will completely revert the commit
[18:47] <yofel> git checkout will revert to the previous commit and detach you from the branch you are on
[18:51] <shadeslayer> maco: btw i think for GRE, uni's also accept a Scale and your percentage
[18:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: lets see
[18:57] <shadeslayer> yofel: works :D
[18:57] <yofel> good :)
[18:58] <shadeslayer> thanks :D
[19:00] <shadeslayer> im off to sleep anyways... cya
[19:01] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ive mailed mark to review kmymoneypackage, waiting for his reply
[19:01] <shadeslayer> also package is uploaded here : http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/sponsor-pkglist?action=details;package=kmymoney
[19:04] <Tm_T> shadeslayer: yes?
[19:04] <shadeslayer> Tm_T: oh i had a cmakekde question, but was solved by people in #kde-in ;)
[19:05] <shadeslayer> wanted to ask where cmakekde installs files and did i need to change KDEDIRS var to install it in /opt
[19:05] <shadeslayer> now kdelibs is 85 % done
[19:23] <sheytan_> Hey guys
[19:24] <sheytan_> is the new kpk already in maveric?
[19:24] <sheytan_> if yes, can i get nighty builds from somwhere? ;)
[19:24] <shadeslayer> sheytan_: its in maverick
[19:24] <shadeslayer> but no nightly builds for lucid
[19:25] <sheytan_> shadeslayer i mean maveric nighty builds ;)
[19:25] <shadeslayer> oh....no for those too
[19:25] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:25] <sheytan_> coming soon maybe?
[19:25] <shadeslayer> maybe we will provide those with neon :D
[19:25] <shadeslayer> not entirely sure :P
[19:27] <sheytan_> sure, if you will, share it via identi.ca to let us know ;)
[19:27] <shadeslayer> erm
[19:27] <shadeslayer> who was asking for rekonq build?
[19:27] <yofel> oxymoron I think
[19:28] <yofel> and anyone could make dailies for kpk using recipes :P
[19:28] <shadeslayer> oxymoron: page now works, just requested a build for lucid, maverick seems stuck, says : No suitable builders
[19:29] <shadeslayer> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~rekonq/+recipe/rekonq-daily/+build/1095 << rekonq lucid build
[19:30] <sheytan_> No one backported bluedevil and libbluedevil to lucid still?
[19:30] <shadeslayer> i dont think so
[19:31] <sheytan_> :(
[19:31] <sheytan_> It should be a part of KDE SC
[19:31] <sheytan_> in kdelibs or something ;D
[19:35] <shadeslayer> anyways.. im off to sleep :D
[19:35] <shadeslayer> cya tmmrw
[19:36] <yofel> gn
[19:51]  * Quintasan is going to burn down his ISP HQ's
[20:02] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: can you point me to pot files for muon and qapt?
[20:03] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/l10n-kde4/templates/messages/kdereview/
[20:08] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: Thanks, I shall do it this week.
[20:13] <jussi> JontheEchidna: is muon in mav yet?
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> jussi: yep
[20:14] <jussi> ooh... /me goes to install
[20:49] <oxymoron> shadeslayer: Thanks <3
[21:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/qtwebkit-video-vlc.ogv
[21:26] <Riddelll> apachelogger: you can now get your anime fix? :)
[22:50] <dantti_work> wow! :D 4th https://bugs.kde.org/weekly-bug-summary.cgi and kpk has now only 17 bugs opened
[23:05] <Riddelll> dantti_work: you're on a roll!


[03:15] <cyberanger> So, a RasbPi powered alarm system, good or bad idea?
[03:51] <superfly> cyberanger: more than can go wrong than a traditional "featureless" basic electronic one
[04:13] <cyberanger> True, but traditional needs approval for the installation
[04:15] <cyberanger> This I could do with a temporary setup


[08:09] <Eldunar> hello, can u tell me what wrong with my cairo-dock? When it apears it push bottom of windows currently oppened  up. ill give u screenshot. how to fix it? http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/przechwycenieobrazuekranu-12122014-090704.php
[08:17] <krytarik> Eldunar: How about that?: http://glx-dock.org/bg_topic.php?t=7840
[08:20] <Eldunar> thank u man:) have a nice day:)
[10:48] <_littleb> hi people, I have installed for vim some addons. Among some of them is the addon solarized and NERDtree in order to add some colors and usability to it. Now when i use vim in my semitransparent terminal all of it gets black only some characters in the nerdtree section stay transparent.
[10:48] <_littleb> Cam someone help??
[10:51] <brainwash> _littleb: did you already ask in #vim?
[10:51] <_littleb> no not yet I think it has to do with the transparency of the terminal
[10:52] <brainwash> uploading a screenshot could help to visualize the problem
[10:52] <brainwash> also, try a different terminal emulator
[10:52] <brainwash> I assume you are using xfce4-terminal
[10:54] <_littleb> that is true
[13:30] <xubuntu02w> Hello. I have a problem. Installed the newest xubuntu 32bit, but screen resolution is 640x480 and i cant change it, there are no additional drivers for GPU. When i start live it works, after install 640x480 and cant change
[13:32] <bekks> So which GPU do you have then?
[13:32] <xubuntu02w> some internal SIS
[13:32] <bekks> Oh, SIS. Good luck then.
[13:33] <xubuntu02w> it works good on live
[13:34] <xubuntu02w> and it works good after install linux mint
[13:34] <xubuntu151> hi
[14:38] <Wacky386> Im having problems with installing the nvidia drivers...using Xubuntu 14.04...anyone had this problem?
[14:39] <Wacky386> Ive tried running the installation script....it says that it cant find version.h (kernel headers not configured)
[14:39] <ObrienDave> you were here earlier this week
[14:39] <Wacky386> yup
[14:40] <Wacky386> tried doing what you said
[14:40] <Wacky386> didnt work out from the command line
[14:40] <Wacky386> got confused along the way :(
[14:40] <ObrienDave> http://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2014/12/install-nvidia-340-65-ubuntu-1504/
[14:41] <ObrienDave> in case you need the link again
[14:41] <Wacky386> thank you...Im currently updating linux-generic, if that helps
[14:42] <ObrienDave> ok, once you get the kernel installed, reboot BEFORE installing anything else
[14:43] <Wacky386> will do
[14:44] <ObrienDave> you will have better luck asking in main ubuntu channel. more people there to help you. #ubuntu
[14:45] <Wacky386> ok...I though it was an xubuntu issue, will try in #ubuntu then
[14:46] <ObrienDave> naw, same core system, just different desktops
[14:46] <ObrienDave> there are other differences but none that would affect nvidia driver install, afaik
[14:49] <Wacky386> thank you, rebooting now
[14:51] <cziko> hello, I installed xdiagnose and i lost boot screen, is there any way to restore default booting with xubuntu logo and circle?
[15:02] <ObrienDave> i don't know. you might try asking in #ubuntu. more people there to help you
[17:09] <halpme> hi, im about to create a livecd in a usb stick to try n solve the wireless problem
[17:09] <halpme> I have a "clonezilla-live-20141208-utopic.iso
[17:10] <halpme> and a "xubuntu-14.10-desktop-amd64.iso"
[17:10] <halpme> which one do I choose?
[17:13] <bekks> Which one did you download?
[17:14] <halpme> bekks: both, apparently, but i chose the second one
[17:15] <halpme> will unetbooting be enough?
[17:15] <halpme> with what do I create a livecd?
[17:16] <drc> are you on linux or windows atm?
[17:17] <halpme> drc: linux
[17:18] <halpme> but given that my linux doesnt hae a working wireless connection im typing from a windows one. Windows only to communicate
[17:18] <drc> the either dd or unetbootin will work...choose wisely :)
[17:18] <Poisoned_Dragon> dd is a little bit advanced. requires you to triple check what you type.
[17:19] <halpme> is dd command line?
[17:19] <Poisoned_Dragon> Because, once you hit enter, it's final.
[17:19] <Poisoned_Dragon> in linux, yes.
[17:19] <drc> yup...I did say wisely, didn't I? :)
[17:20] <Poisoned_Dragon> Sadly, I'm finding unetbootin to be less useful than it use to be. Most isos can be dd'd to a usb stick.
[17:20] <halpme> ok, extracting and copying
[17:20]  * drc lost 2tb of data last week because he was distracted while using dd...good thing I have multiple backups
[17:20] <halpme> then ill have to reboot and change BIOS parameters to boot first from the usb stick, right? am I forgetting steps?
[17:20] <Poisoned_Dragon> And, the last time I used unetbootin, it made an arch install stick very angry.
[17:20] <Poisoned_Dragon> Wow, 2TB?!
[17:21] <drc> =halpme: external USB drive
[17:21] <Poisoned_Dragon> If your bios has a key for a boot menu, you won't have to change the bios at all.
[17:21] <Poisoned_Dragon> Most do now.
[17:21] <drc> data=video...forgot sdb1 was the data drive not the USB stick :)
[17:23] <drc> halpme: 1) create live USB, 2) attempt to boot from it, 3) if no go, then worry about changing BIOS.
[17:24] <halpme> beautiful splashscreen
[17:24] <drc> Don't over think it (doesn't help, I know from [sad] experience) :)
[17:25] <halpme> hope not to have made the same mistake
[17:28] <perfarator> Hi everybody!
[17:28] <perfarator> Please teach me how to clone and build from git...
[17:30] <halpme> right
[17:30] <halpme> booting from the livecd what I get is: failed to load COM32 file menu.c32
[17:30] <halpme> boot...
[17:30] <halpme> and it cycles
[17:32] <brainwash> perfarator: build what? Xfce -> http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/building
[17:36] <perfarator> brainwash, sources from github
[17:36] <holstein> perfarator: the sources should have directions.. i would ask for instruction from the creators
[17:41] <drc> halpme: Did you run the "test the media" (or whatever it's called) in the initial menu?  If not, re-boot and test.
[18:07] <halpme> drc: how do I test the mnedia?
[18:07] <holstein> !md5 | halpme
[18:07] <holstein> that tests the iso you download.. and there is a test in the menu..
[18:08] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/CDIntegrityCheck
[18:08] <drc> halpme: As holstein said, md5sum tests the iso itself (before burning to the mecia).  I was talking about the menu item in the initial menu (upon boot) that tests the media <after> burning.
[18:08] <holstein> though, i wouldnt get to caught up in this, halpme .. you are trying to address support for an older b wifi use device.. and now, by trying to "fix' that, you are acutally just running into, and making more issues
[18:09] <holstein> this doesnt "fix" your wifi device, and as i said before, unless you have seen it functioning in a supported OS, it could be broken, and not a driver issue at all
[18:09] <drc> ah...the "over thinking" issue... holstein's right, listen to him :)
[18:10] <holstein> drc: it happens :) ..easy to overthink it.. or, just get side tracked
[18:10] <drc> It's hard to remember you mission was to fix the wifi when you're up to you butt in boot errors :)
[18:11] <halpme> holstein: im trying to install a version of xubuntu I know had wireless fuctions, (not install , but test from the livecd). If it works then its a problem in the newer os, am I wrong`?
[18:11] <holstein> halpme: you are not "wrong".. i think you are just assuming..
[18:12] <halpme> ok holstein , how do I proceed then? I though i was following what you suggested
[18:12] <holstein> halpme: even if, say, 14.04 doesnt support the wifi, and 12.04 does.. its still not really a problem in the newer OS.. and, it could be, support for that "legacy" device was dropped from the kernel.. and it also could be that, due to technical limiatations, it cant easily be added back in
[18:13] <holstein> halpme: i think, booting a newer 14.04 live cd, and as you said, an older one that you *know* works *is* a good idea.. but, i wouldnt get too caught up in doing so, since, its not fixing the wifi in any way
[18:13] <halpme> ouch
[18:13] <halpme> .....
[18:14] <holstein> when i run into an issue like that i want to 1. see the device run on a supported OS, or, on a live iso that i *know* supported it.. this tells me that the device is still functional, so i dont waste time troubleshooting a driver issue, if the hardawre is bad
[18:14] <halpme> i keep forgetting the wifi troubleshooting link. Please paste it again. There is a list somewhere in the link with supported wifi cards...
[18:14] <holstein> !wifi
[18:15] <holstein> though, a link for "legacy hardware" or "legacy wifi" would be more appropriate for you
[18:15] <holstein> i mean, these days, the wifi setup works like this.. plug it in, use it.. if its not like that, the, typically, its either *really* challenging to add support into the kernel, or, support is just not there for it
[18:16] <holstein> the other option in that case is, a proprietary firmware that is easy to add.. but, i dont think that is the case with that chipset
[18:17] <holstein> though, it wont hurt to identify the chipset.. last time you were looking, it (lsusb) didnt report, and gave some output that made me still think and suggest troubleshooting if the device is actually functional or not
[18:18] <holstein> and, also, thinking, realistically, about how much time you want to spend on a device of that age. an older b device.. when, you can typically find well supported (out of the box supported) g devices either *very* cheap, or free in many cases..
[18:22] <halpme> holstein: For chips that are not USB but included in the computer, type:  lspci -v  and read the last section. << does that change anything?
[18:23] <halpme> i have output for this one
[18:23] <holstein> halpme: sure.. you stated it was usb
[18:23] <halpme> holstein: sorry for that
[18:24] <holstein> halpme: i mean, run *both*. run literally anything that shows the device chipset
[18:24] <holstein> share the chipset, and we look for driver support
[18:28] <halpme> holstein: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9492413/
[18:30] <holstein> halpme: sure.. i dont see it there.. do you?
[18:30] <holstein> halpme: i do see a nice wired NIC
[18:30] <halpme> there is nothing wired atm
[18:31] <halpme> what is NIC?
[18:31] <genii> Network Interface Card
[18:31] <holstein> 00:04.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 191 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (rev 02)
[18:33] <halpme> so if I had wireless i should see the words "wireless" or "wifi" somewhere in that list. is that right?
[18:33] <holstein> halpme: you dont have to
[18:34] <holstein> halpme: the company that made that device never promised you linux support, so, it may not show there, or it may read as somethint differet.. but, i dont see anything there that shows a wifi device
[18:34] <halpme> ok,
[18:35] <holstein> halpme: so, if what you are saying is, its an internal wifi NIC, and not a usb device, i would be looking in the bios, making sure its on.. i would try *all* hardware switches and keyboard commands
[18:37] <halpme> holstein: holy ****, just now 3 wireless networks appeared
[18:37] <halpme> i dont know what did I do
[18:38] <drc> change anything in the bios?
[18:38] <halpme> drc: no, i pressed the f keys
[18:38] <halpme> and ctrl i believe
[18:39] <halpme> or alt gr
[18:40]  * drc would guess that pressing one/some of the F keys turned on the wifi (on my laptop its a slider on the front of the laptop).
[18:40] <halpme> i didnt know I could turn it off
[18:41] <drc> Unless holstein has a better idea, I'd reboot, and test the keys you pressed ONE AT A TIME to see what turned on the wifi.
[18:42] <drc> or read the manual to see if it says what turns the wifi on/off:)
[18:42] <halpme> i believe is f11, the key has a small icon that looks like an antenna
[18:43] <halpme> drc: i have no idea where to find the manual
[18:43] <drc> Then I'd press it again and see if the wifi turns off.
[18:44] <drc> halpme: google for you laptop model...lots of companies have their manuals in pdf nowadays.
[18:44] <halpme> curious
[18:44] <GrinchCube> halpme: its the same color? dont you have a fn key the same color than the antena icon?
[18:44]  * drc can't find his paper manual, but does nkow where his pdf version is.
[18:45] <halpme> the network applet shows 3 exisiting wifi networks, but neither firefox nor chromium show any results
[18:45] <halpme> o wait, this may be orivoxy+
[18:46] <drc> GrinchCube is correct. On my computer, there is a"fb" key at the bottom that when pressed with other keys does things (brightness, ertc)
[18:46] <drc> halpme: just because it shows them doesn't mean they are "connected"
[18:47] <GrinchCube> usually thers a light
[18:47] <GrinchCube> somewhere wiht the same icon
[18:47] <GrinchCube> that lights when its pressed
[18:49] <drc> a wifi light/LED that lights up when a wifi connection is made (not just a wifi available)?  Mine does.
[18:51] <halpme> ok, like 2 years ago I rerouted all traffic through privoxy via a modified /etc/environment file. exception I added is the university where I stud that grants students free wifi connections in campus
[18:52] <halpme> are there programms that override the changes I made?
[18:52] <halpme> false question
[18:52] <halpme> are there programs that ignore the environmental variables I establish with theis etc/environment file?
[18:54] <holstein> halpme: sure
[18:54] <holstein> halpme: but, what did you set? where? and why?
[19:00] <halpme> gtg
[19:00] <halpme> thanks a lot for all the help
[19:00] <halpme> today we solved an issue
[19:00] <halpme> more to come :D
[19:00] <halpme> tomorrow
[19:37] <halp> hi
[19:37] <halp> is there any command I can use to know the model of laptop I own?
[19:38] <holstein> halp: no.. but, you dont need that for any linux support
[19:38] <halp> :D
[19:38] <halp> sorry, im used to ask here
[19:38] <holstein> halp: what you need, as we discussed when looking for your wifi chipset, is the chipsets
[19:38] <halp> chipsets to know the model?
[19:38] <holstein> halp: you are not promised by the creators of that model that you get linux support, so, the model, though, helpful for searching, is not as important as the chipset
[19:39] <holstein> halp: for example, if hp makes a laptop with a wifi NIC in it, and changes chipsets, the model# stays the same, though, there can be, and often is, 2 or more differnt chipsets in that same model unit
[19:39] <holstein> so, the "best" thing to so, is, as the !wifi suggest, run lspci/lsusb, and look for chipsets, and search for support based on that information
[19:40] <halp> but holstein im not trying to do anything with the wifi (that now works), i just need to locate a pdf copy of my model
[19:41] <holstein> halp: sure. im just stating that, since you dont need that, for anything related to linux support, you may or may not need that.. and, nothing in linux will generate a .pdf like that
[19:41] <holstein> though, you are welcome to create one
[19:41] <halp> dont brain much today :D
[19:41] <halp> I
[19:42] <holstein> what are you looking for? the model information? it should be printed on the unit somewhere
[19:42] <drc> halp: inxi -M should give you the model of your laptop (it does mine)
[19:42] <drc> in a terminal
[19:42] <halp> thanks drc !!
[19:42] <holstein> wont hurt to try that ^ and you can copy paste it into a document which you switch to pdf
[19:43] <halp> my laptop is 5 years old
[19:43] <drc> holstein: I think he's looking for a pdf of his computer's manual.
[19:43] <holstein> drc: i agree
[19:44] <halp> thanks for writting that
[19:45] <halp> can I update the bios?
[19:45] <holstein> halp: nothing about xubuntu will prevent you from doing so
[19:46] <holstein> on a machine that old, i wouldnt bother.. unless something is specifically addressed.. i typically take an "if it aint broke" approach to the bios.. though, today, you can find serious vulnerabilities addressed in a bios update..
[19:47] <drc> It can be done (for my computer), but it can be fairly complicated (i.e., dl the new bios, burn to a bootable floppy, install bios....for my computer). You need to check your computer company's website to see if they support things like that.
[19:48] <holstein> sometimes they make a tool.. not often to be used from linux.. but, a tool that can be ran in the desktop OS
[19:48] <holstein> i would *never* try such a tool in wine
[19:48] <drc> and for an older computer, most companies don't bother with updating bios' unless there is a compelling reason/
[19:48] <drc> holstein: +1000
[19:48] <holstein> yup.. a 5 year old machine, i wouldnt bother.. even if it said there was a newer one.. unless something was broken
[19:50] <drc> My laptop is about about that old, and there has been one bios update (fairly early on for a security bug), nothing for the past 4 years.
[19:51] <halp> drc: better than here: not a single updaate in 5 years
[19:51] <holstein> halp: they dont promise those. its not part of the agreement.. and, there may be no need for a bios update
[19:52] <halp> today is being productive
[20:32] <quantibility> i use a lap top A8 vision AMD. i usually keep my battery out so i don't kill the battery cause its usally pluged in.. yesterday i kicked out the power cord for it on accident and for some strange reason the optical usb mouse just doesn't work anymore?? i haven't tested it on other places, the usb port seems to work fine, can someone please help?
[20:42] <holstein> quantibility: in the future, leave the battery in
[20:42] <holstein> quantibility: what i would do is, boot live iso's and try and see what exactly doesnt work, and why
[20:43] <Poisoned_Dragon> The battery is going to die, regardless of whether you use it, or not.
[20:43] <Poisoned_Dragon> Li-ion batteries age, whether stored or used. So, use it or lose it.
[20:43] <quantibility> alright, noted. thank you holstein, hope it works, but now i must find the darn cd.
[20:44] <holstein> quantibility: sounds to me like, you could have just damaged the USB..
[20:44] <quantibility> possible but how? unplugging it causes damage?
[20:44] <Poisoned_Dragon> is the optical mouse wireless?
[20:45] <quantibility> the usb is fine. im using a 32 gig stick for my HD.. working good.
[20:45] <holstein> quantibility: well, as they say, the first step is to admit you have a problem.. then ,we can move on to what exactly it is
[20:45] <quantibility> yes Poisoned_Dragon
[20:46] <Poisoned_Dragon> Maybe when you kicked out the charging cord, you also struck the usb radio stick.
[20:46] <holstein> i would check/change the batteries. or simlply go and check the mouse on different hardware
[20:46] <Poisoned_Dragon> If the stick no longer works in any usb port, I would suspect the stick is suspect.
[20:46] <Poisoned_Dragon> Oh yeah. What holstein said.
[20:47] <holstein> especially if you cant get it to work on multiple machines..
[20:47] <quantibility> holstein, i know im a bit of a big mouth can get a bit antsy but i genuinely have a problem and don't need sarcasm. thank you.
[20:47] <Poisoned_Dragon> It's not sarcasm. it's honest.
[20:47] <holstein> quantibility: not offering any.. and mean no harm. but you *do* have an issue with USB.. please try it with another machine
[20:47] <quantibility> radio stick? Poisoned its an optical wired mouse
[20:47] <holstein> quantibility: i am only volunteering here, and intend no harm at all...
[20:48] <quantibility> yeah if i had another machine
[20:48] <quantibility> its fine
[20:48] <Poisoned_Dragon> I asked you if the mouse was wireless. You said yes.
[20:48] <quantibility> just irritated
[20:48] <quantibility> i apolize its wired posioned
[20:48] <holstein> quantibility: if you find the device doesnt work on another machine, which, you can find *anywhere*, like a PC shop, or friend/neighbor, then, you can stop thinking its the OS or USB or machine, and know more about where the issue likely is
[20:48] <Poisoned_Dragon> If the mouse is wired, that's only increases the likelihood that the wire was damaged.
[20:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> When you kicked out the charger cord, did you kick out the mouse too?
[20:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> If so, could have cause a break in the wire.
[20:49] <quantibility> yeah but the power cored was the only thing that was yanked out i watched it come out... it hit nothing
[20:49] <holstein> again, *something* happened..
[20:49] <quantibility> no poisned the mouse and cored stayed exactly in their place.
[20:50] <Poisoned_Dragon> It doesn't take much to stress a wire. Even if the mouse was never unplugged, during the incident, the stress could have caused issues.
[20:50] <quantibility> ugh hold on ill find something real quick
[20:51] <Poisoned_Dragon> Sadly, usb cords aren't known for their tensile strength. :(
[20:51] <drc> Let's recap here: 1) USB wired optical mouse doesn't work, 2) USB port works (the 32 gig USB stick works there) Correct?
[20:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> So far, yes, drc.
[20:52] <drc> The only thing I can see to do is to try the mouse on another machine.
[20:53] <drc> I'm assuming (yes, I know) that there is not another USB mouse to test whatever software is used on that machine?
[20:58] <quantibility> nope no where to test it :(
[20:58] <drc> Here's a thought:  1) unplug mouse 2) open Removeable Drives and Media> Input media and check Auto run when USB mouse is connected  and enter "synclient TouchPadOff=1" in Command (this command works with my touchpad and USB optical mouse) 4) plug in mouse.  There should be popup balloons telling you a USB mouse was detected.
[20:58] <Poisoned_Dragon> Phone a friend and borrow access to their rig.
[20:59] <drc> That will tell you if the mouse is detected by the computer or not.
[21:00] <Poisoned_Dragon> Sounds like a plan
[21:00] <quantibility> hmm
[21:00] <quantibility> ok
[21:01] <quantibility> ill that
[21:01] <Poisoned_Dragon> Because, even if the mouse is receiving power, it could be that the data lines are damaged.
[21:01] <drc> Be aware this will turn off the touch pad, so I's open a teminal and input synclient TouchPadOff=0 BUT dont hit enter first.
[21:02]  * drc has a bad habit of tapping the touchpad when thinking, so it's necesssary to turn it off when using a mouse :)
[21:03] <Poisoned_Dragon> I can imagine the madness that follows.
[21:05] <quantibility> hmm
[21:05] <quantibility> brb restarting
[21:05] <drc> waiting with baited breath :)
[21:08] <drc> With my system (wireless optical mouse) plugging in the radio stick will activate the command, even with the mouse itself turned off.
[21:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well, that's normal
[21:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> the stick acts as a virtual mouse. it' just relays signals from the real thing.
[21:09] <drc> yup...just noting it.
[21:09] <drc> with a wired mouse, it shouldn't matter
[21:11]  * drc once had a dead battery in the mouse that took half an hour to diagnose...Never said I was quick on the uptake :)
[21:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> :D
[22:10] <halpme> im on a different part of campus now and the wifi is again undetected...
[22:12] <drc> Was it the F key?
[22:13] <halpme> apparently not. I have been testing combinations of f to not avail. What do I need if I want a better wifi coverage?
[22:13] <halpme> an antenna with a usb port?
[22:13] <halpme> whats it called?
[22:15] <drc> You want to replace your internal wifi with an external wifi system?  No idea, never bothered.
[22:15] <bazhang> an extender
[22:15] <halpme> no not replace
[22:15] <halpme> but maybe the inside-wifi is not powerful enough
[22:16] <bazhang> doubtful
[22:16] <drc> Doean't an extender just extend the wifi source, not the reciever (in the computer)
[22:16] <bazhang> yep, didnt fully read up
[22:17] <halpme> ill have to further test
[22:17]  * drc had that problem at home...then my daughter told me to stop being so cheap and but one that really worked well :)
[22:17] <bazhang> I read inside as indoors, what he meant was integrated
[22:18] <drc> s/but/buy/
[22:19] <drc> But that may be part of his problem, the source of his first wifi was not sufficiently powerful enough so when he moved to another source it was...and voila...wifi :)
[22:21] <drc> laters all
[22:21] <halpme> if everyone is getting wifi, even students with crapple computers, then i need to get a better antenna
[22:22] <bazhang> or associate correctly with the existing networks
[22:26] <quantibility> problem solved
[22:26] <quantibility> i have to get a new mouse. its broke.


[06:02] <jac1d2> Hello all.  I am running the mytbuntu release based on Ubuntu 9.10 and I am looking for the name of the command to create the human readable recordings
[06:03] <jac1d2> I know I have it because I've done it before but I can not seem to find it.  Can anyone help?
[06:06] <jac1d2> 'Looks like i found it:
[06:06] <jac1d2> -mythbuntu:/usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/user_jobs/mythrename.pl
[14:32] <riddlebox> hello, is anyone using a hvr-1250? I am having trouble seeing any channels on it
[18:06] <qwebirc90657> Hi everybody, just wondering if mythbuntu and dedicated backend would be a good alternative to a tivo style dvr box
[18:07] <qwebirc90657> !help
[18:07] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[21:55] <Shadow__X> i am getting this problem from cron even though the db is definted in backup.pl and i was able to run backup.pl without options successfully
[21:56] <Shadow__X> http://pastebin.com/xQ39TL8t
[21:56] <Zinn> [pastebin.com] /etc/cron.weekly/mythtv-database: ERROR: DBBackupDirectory not specified, sto - Pastebin.com
[22:08] <tgm4883> Shadow__X, echo "DBBackupDirectory=/home/mythtv" > ~/.mythtv/backuprc
[22:09] <tgm4883> from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore
[22:09] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Database Backup and Restore - MythTV Official Wiki
[22:10] <Shadow__X> tgm4883: ah i set that up under my own username instead of mythtv
[22:13] <Shadow__X> tgm4883:so i already have this setup before cron failed echo "DBBackupDirectory=/home/user" > ~/.mythtv/backuprc
[22:13] <Shadow__X> and ~/.mythtv is under the user home folder
[22:16] <tgm4883> If you're still getting that error, and you have that file and setting set in the right users directory, you might want to try #mythtv-users, as mythtv devs that wrote that script hang out there
[22:17] <Shadow__X> well this has been set for years but this is the first time cron has given me an error
[22:18] <tgm4883> then something changed
[22:18] <Shadow__X> i was able to run backup.pl without any args and it backups to /home/user/DB_Backups which i had setup in backup.pl and in backuprc
[22:18] <tgm4883> can it read that file anymore?
[22:24] <Shadow__X> the perms are 744 for that file so everyone can read it
[22:30] <Shadow__X> hmm i just ran the cron script using root and it worked fine
[22:39] <Shadow__X> so i guess its working now
[22:49] <Shadow__X> tgm4883: thanks for the help
[22:49] <Shadow__X> will mythtv-status make it into the repo again?
[23:21] <tgm4883> Shadow__X, I don't think the dev ever fixed that