[12:03] <granbar> That should become a memorable quote
[12:04] <granbar> 3D rendering is pretty useless, unless you're a CS student.
[12:05] <Aaden> no like my literal cd drives
[12:05] <Aaden> and i cant find or access my hd
[12:05] <Aaden> so im going crazy a bit ova here
[12:09] <Aaden> so im guessing nobody can really help meh.
[12:10] <granbar> no /dev/hdXX?
[12:10] <granbar> Did you mess with the cables?
[12:10] <Aaden> nope
[12:10] <Aaden> i told ya
[12:10] <granbar> You just upgraded KDE?
[12:10] <Aaden> updated my system and kde
[12:10] <granbar> okay
[12:10] <Aaden> come back from school bam
[12:10] <granbar> Because there also was a new kernel to upgrade as well
[12:10] <Aaden> yeh i saw
[12:11] <Aaden>  im like sittin here tryin everything
[12:12] <Delvien> Anyone know how to find out where the icons are located for an applet? isnt it something like sudo grep?
[12:15] <sorush20> guysmy kde control mudule for the printer is not working well what can I do to fix it?
[12:32] <wampus> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[12:32] <wampus> Xlib: No protocol specified
[12:32] <wampus> (firefox-bin:27110): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[12:32] <fatejudger> wampus: is there something wrong with Konqueror?
[12:33] <LjL> wampus: aren't you trying to run it as root perhaps?
[12:33] <wampus> fatejudger, no...im trying to install firefox and thats the error i get. ive installed all the libs i need (i think) and yes i am doing it as root.
[12:34] <Aaden> hey lfl
[12:34] <Aaden> ljl
[12:34] <fatejudger> wampus: then why aren't you using Konq?
[12:34] <wampus> i just like firefox...
[12:34] <fatejudger> wampus: in KDE?
[12:34] <LjL> wampus: firefox won't be able to run as root, unless you change the X access list, i think
[12:35] <LjL> wampus: why are you running it as root in the first place anyway?
[12:35] <fatejudger> wampus: apt-get firefox
[12:35] <wampus> i dunno....let me try normal user
[12:35] <fatejudger> wampus: don't download it from firefox.com, if you must have it
[12:35] <granbar> Well I found out what the problem was. My ATI Mobility 9000 IGP isn't supported for DRI. Thanks, ATI "The Ultimate Visual Experience(TM)"
[12:35] <LjL> wampus: never run programs as root if you don't need root priviledges!
[12:36] <LjL> (especially browsers...)
[12:36] <wampus> worked like a champ guys....thanks for the tips. sorry for my ignorance
[12:36] <LjL> fatejudger: there is nothing wrong with using firefox in kde... sure, one might prefer a "pure" kde desktop, as i do... but my guess is that most people using Kubuntu as running firefox rather than konqueror
[12:37] <wampus> in my opinion firefox is much lighter and cleaner...thats why i prefer it
[12:37] <LjL> wampus: just remember that running things as root is bad, unless you know you're doing something that absolutely requires root
[12:37] <fatejudger> LjL: well, if you don't mind the horrible loading times, the slow rendered, the ugly interface, and the memory hoggyness
[12:37] <sampan> one reason for me to run firefox is that when i click a media file it doens't recognize it doesn't crash (often losing dozens of tabs) like konq does
[12:38] <fatejudger> LjL: then I guess it's "fine"
[12:38] <fatejudger> sampan: use xine
[12:38] <fatejudger> sampan: that'll fix it right up
[12:38] <LjL> fatejudger: well, if i either don't mind then *or* don't experience them
[12:38] <fatejudger> sampan: apt-get kaffeine-xine
[12:39] <fatejudger> LjL: it's kind of hard not to experience them
[12:39] <fatejudger> LjL: oh, and I almost forgot, how about that shitty kaffeine-mozilla plugin
[12:40] <fatejudger> LjL: my friend tried to use myspace.com and about had a fit when 10 Kaffeine music videos suddenly popped up
[12:41] <LjL> no idea about that plugin. as for the rest, i like firefox's interface (possibly better than konqueror's, i'm not sure), i like the great availability of extensions for it, i don't experience any kind of slow rendering (actually, i find that konqueror - especially older versions - gets terribly slow with long pages)
[12:43] <LjL> fatejudger: and about memory hoggyness, well, the situation of konqueror in kde is a bit comparable with that of IE on windows. saying that IE consumes less memory than another given browser does not make much sense by itself, as it simply *appears* to take less memory because it is a *part* of the system and most of it is already loaded
[12:43] <sampan> fatejudger, still does it -- get three error msgs (only on -some- video types that is) -- about alsasink, no video driver, etc. and konq just goes down
[12:43] <fatejudger> LjL: true, except for the obvious fact that it isn't true
[12:43] <fatejudger> sampan: you're still using Gstreamer
[12:43] <fatejudger> sampan: switch it to Kaffiene
[12:43] <fatejudger> sampan: Kaffine-xine engine
[12:44] <fatejudger> sampan: you have to go into Kaffeine itself
[12:44] <fatejudger> sampan: and change the player engine
[12:44] <sampan> ahhh
[12:44] <fatejudger> sampan: then close Kaffeine, and sudo killall konqueror
[12:44] <fatejudger> sampan: then try it again
[12:44] <Aaden> LjL: you would happen to know why ever since i upgraded to 3.5 i cant access my cd drives or hd? i tried /dev/hd0 /dev/hda /dev/sd5 lol nothing
[12:44] <fatejudger> Aaden: media:/ ?
[12:45] <fatejudger> LjL: Firefox uses the Gecko engine, while Konqueror uses the KHTML engine
[12:45] <Aaden> fatejudger: doesnt work
[12:45] <fatejudger> LjL: the KHTML engine is much lighter, since it's backed by QT, and much faster
[12:45] <fatejudger> Aaden: that's odd...
[12:45] <LjL> Aaden: how have you tried them?
[12:45] <os2mac> anyone got a clue on when firefox 1.5 we be available in adept?
[12:45] <fatejudger> Aaden: I know the partitions don't show up anymore in KDE 3.4.3 and above
[12:45] <Aaden> its just ever since i upgraded last night its been odd like that
[12:45] <fatejudger> Aaden: but you should be able to see your cd drive
[12:46] <fatejudger> Aaden: are you sure that you have  CD inside?
[12:46] <Aaden> i cant see it thats the thing
[12:46] <fatejudger> Aaden: it won't show up unless you do
[12:46] <Aaden> lol yeh i do
[12:46] <fatejudger> Aaden: and it's a good cd?
[12:46] <Knowerrors> Hey all, Under System Settings> Appearance > GTK style/fonts, if i change the GTK style, it stays, but if I change GTK font, it doesn't apply/save the change, any ideas to fix?
[12:46] <fatejudger> Aaden: try another
[12:46] <Aaden> alright
[12:46] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: that program is kind of messed up
[12:46] <Aaden> lol my drive is busted i gotta use the emergency eject to open it :
[12:46] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: I use gtk-theme-switch, I think that's what it's called
[12:46] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: you can apt-get it
[12:47] <Knowerrors> fatejudger: does that work for fonts too then?
[12:47] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: just themes
[12:47] <Knowerrors> hmm, themes is fine :) its my GTK fonts that won't stay changed
[12:47] <sampan> thanks fatejudger :)  no more krashes
[12:47] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: dunno what to tell you, the GTK-QT engine isn't perfect
[12:48] <fatejudger> sampan: no problem
[12:48] <fatejudger> sampan: now you get to enjoy integrated video :D
[12:48] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: sometimes you have to put it in repeatedly, and it eventually sticks - telling it to use a particular font helps as well
[12:48] <Knowerrors> hmm, I set it to use my KDE fonts in GTK apps
[12:48] <slow-motion> n8
[12:49] <Aaden> ok that time cd poped up
[12:49] <Aaden> but my hd still isnt showing up
[12:49] <sorush20> guys what should I do my cups kde manage doesn't load properly what can I do?
[12:49] <Aaden> and i have no way of accessing it
[12:49] <sampan> fatejudger  well i have the mplayer plugins for firefox, but for some reason those haven't been 100% either -- some video files FF still asks me which app to use to open it, and no matter what i do it wouldn't "remember" mplayer -- always wanted to use totem (which crashes) ... and i'm too newb to figure out what is the problem :X
[12:50] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: try setting it to use a particular font
[12:50] <fatejudger> sampan: eh, just stick with the native apps
[12:50] <fatejudger> sampan: the KDE developer are some of the best out there
[12:51] <fatejudger> *developers
[12:51] <sampan> i try -- but i spend a lot of time on chinese websites and konq never seems to render the fonts or spacing properly
[12:51] <Aaden> fatejudger: gah my cd is recognized now but i still have no access to my hd..
[12:51] <insanekane> sampan: like which chinese site ?
[12:52] <insanekane> sampan: the ones i have gone to seems to have no spacing problems
[12:52] <granbar> Do any of you know how I can enable the possibility to share my folders?
[12:53] <Knowerrors> Hobbsee: I have just tried setting it to the same particular font 3 times :( no stick
[12:53] <sampan> insanekane, lemme see ... more frequent than spacing is just non-displayed characters
[12:53] <sorush20> I'm trying to open a torrent file with ktorrent and I keep gettting the message that the files are corrupt but I have downloaded and re downloaded a number of time any help they are the DVD torrents for the ubuntu
[12:53] <insanekane> granbar: theres the (insecure) Public File Server
[12:53] <insanekane> granbar: right click on the panel, then Add Applet to Panel
[12:54] <sampan> insanekane  http://www.npm.gov.tw/index.htm  -- all the chinese is just messed up in the bottom frame (national palace museum in taiwan)
[12:54] <insanekane> granbar: then, select Public File Server ... don't know what to do after that though (i've heard that it exposes an HTTP server)
[12:54] <insanekane> sampan: non-displaying characters == font problem
[12:55] <sampan> indeed -- but if the fonts are installed why does ff see them and use them but konq doesn't?  there's not even a place in the font settings to set a default asian font
[12:56] <insanekane> sampan: which frame ? i can't see the frame
[12:56] <Aaden>  cd drives are recognized  but i still have no access to my hd.. anyone care to help?
[12:56] <insanekane> sampan: yes indeed, there should be something done about default fonts for scripts
[12:56] <Knowerrors> Hobbsee: its stuck on Tahoma, which I had changed it to manually in the past, but now won't go back to anything else
[12:56] <Hobbsee> ah...hmmm...
[12:56] <sorush20> guys my printer manager loading fails what can I do?
[12:56] <Hobbsee> it doesnt seem to work that well, i'm afraid
[12:56] <sorush20> I keep getting the message that cups could not load ?
[12:58] <Knowerrors> is there a way to change gtk fonts through cli by changing some text config file?
[12:58] <granbar> insanekane: But there's a "Shared Folders" thing in the conrol panel. Can't I use that?
[12:58] <insanekane> granbar: nfi
[12:59] <sampan> actually, insanekane, i was going to ask you about compiling scim (still haven't done that yet) -- is there any particular order i need to configure/make/checkinstall the packages?
[12:59] <insanekane> sampan: just compile scim first
[12:59] <insanekane> sampan: then the others
[01:00] <sampan> k -- and put it into a system-wide folder? (/usr)?
[01:00] <IULIUS23ro> hello everybody
[01:00] <Hobbsee> hi
[01:00] <IULIUS23ro> i just upgraded kde to 3.5
[01:00] <IULIUS23ro> and my kynaptic is hanging for 3 hours
[01:00] <IULIUS23ro> is it a good thing
[01:01] <douglas> is there any way to configure the tabs on the sides of the kdevelop ide?
[01:01] <IULIUS23ro> or a bad one
[01:01] <douglas> I have had no such trouble with kde3.5
[01:01] <fatejudger> IULIUS23ro: why are you using Kynaptic?
[01:01] <fatejudger> IULIUS23ro: you should be using Adept
[01:01] <IULIUS23ro> i used synaptic on ubuntu
[01:02] <Knowerrors> kynaptic (blah) use apt-get or Synaptic
[01:02] <fatejudger> IULIUS23ro: just use Adept
[01:02] <Knowerrors> yeah, thats best
[01:02] <Knowerrors> far better than Adept
[01:02] <fatejudger> IULIUS23ro: it's the newest apt-get frontend
[01:02] <IULIUS23ro> so should i stop Kynaptic?
[01:02] <fatejudger> IULIUS23ro: yes
[01:02] <Knowerrors> though Adept is better that Kynaptic and Kpackage
[01:02] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: Synaptic uses GTK, which sucks
[01:03] <IULIUS23ro> You need to run this application as root to make make any use of it.
[01:03] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: I will admit though, Synaptic is slightly better than Adept, especially in the search feature
[01:03] <Knowerrors> newest doesn't always mean better :0
[01:03] <Knowerrors> true, if you care about looks ;)
[01:04] <Knowerrors> but Synaptic is more stable and feature rich, and powerful
[01:04] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: I wouldn't be using KDE if I didn't :)
[01:04] <IULIUS23ro> kubuntu rocks really
[01:04] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: it has the same features as Adept
[01:04] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: the only real difference is Adept uses "on the fly" searching
[01:04] <Knowerrors> also for a modem user, I like how in Synaptic how I can save my changes list and pick it up later if I have to disconnect
[01:04] <granbar> insanekane: What is "nfi"?
[01:04] <fatejudger> Knowerrors: whereas Synaptic has a regular search
[01:05] <Knowerrors> dialup
[01:05] <sorush20> guys how can I create a directory structure using the mkdir , I want to create a Uni directory then in the different directories I want to be able to create these from the terminal could someone help please?
[01:05] <LjL> fatejudger: i don't think adept can remove autoinstalled dependencies?
[01:05] <Hobbsee> granbar: "no idea"
[01:05] <IULIUS23ro> who knows scripting here?
[01:05] <fatejudger> LjL: adept can do everything
[01:05] <LjL> sorush20: uh... as you seem to know what the "mkdir" program is and does, then what's the problem?
[01:05] <fatejudger> LjL: it's just an apt-get frontend is all
[01:06] <LjL> fatejudger: and, indeed, apt-get doesn't do what i said
[01:06] <LjL> fatejudger: aptitude and synaptic do
[01:06] <IULIUS23ro> who knows scripting here? to help me in a huge problem
[01:06] <fatejudger> LjL: that's impossible, apt-get does all
[01:06] <fatejudger> LjL: Synaptic and clones are just apt-get frontends
[01:06] <LjL> fatejudger: sorry, not true
[01:06] <fatejudger> LjL: they can't do more than apt-get
[01:06] <LjL> fatejudger: they're not
[01:07] <IULIUS23ro> :( no one
[01:07] <sorush20> LjL: I've read the man for mkdir but it doesn't say anything about creating a whole directory structure at once in one long command?
[01:07] <LjL> sorush20: that's because it can't
[01:07] <LjL> sorush20: what about just concatenating commands?
[01:07] <LjL> sorush20: mkdir dir1; mkdir dir1/dir2; mkdir dir1/dir2; ....
[01:07] <fatejudger> LjL: haven't you ever watched Adept or Synaptic work?
[01:08] <fatejudger> LjL: it just opens up a terminal session and executes apt-get commands
[01:08] <sorush20> LjL: thanks
[01:08] <LjL> fatejudger: i am 100% sure about aptitude. i should check synaptic, as i normally don't use it (or any other GUI)
[01:08] <IULIUS23ro> who knows how to configure apt-get if i have a weired policy regarding the downloads
[01:09] <LjL> fatejudger: but i'm being told the current versions are based on the aptitude db
[01:11] <IULIUS23ro> how to stop a process?
[01:11] <LjL> IULIUS23ro: kill -s 9 <process-id>
[01:11] <LjL> IULIUS23ro: don't do that to apt-get tho...
[01:11] <IULIUS23ro> ty
[01:11] <IULIUS23ro> my isp has the followinf rule regarding fownloads:
[01:12] <IULIUS23ro> files biger than 5mb are downloaded throu a proxy
[01:12] <IULIUS23ro> and files smaller than 5mb normaly
[01:12] <IULIUS23ro> so every time i have to edit 70debconf
[01:12] <IULIUS23ro> to comment or decomment the line with aquire proxy blablabla
[01:13] <LjL> you can't download files < 5mb through the proxy too?
[01:13] <IULIUS23ro> yes i can
[01:13] <IULIUS23ro> but files bigger than 5mega
[01:13] <IULIUS23ro> only through that proxy
[01:13] <Knowerrors> Anybody else have a problem installing konq-plugins for kde 3.5?
[01:13] <LjL> well can't you just leave the proxy on then?
[01:13] <Knowerrors> I get a broken pipe error
[01:13] <IULIUS23ro> but proxy speed is 8k/s
[01:13] <IULIUS23ro> :((
[01:14] <LjL> IULIUS23ro: i see
[01:14] <IULIUS23ro> so i need my apt to do this automatically
[01:14] <naikok> hola
[01:14] <IULIUS23ro> can it?
[01:14] <LjL> IULIUS23ro: i doubt it
[01:14] <fatejudger> IULIUS23ro: just let stuff download overnight
[01:15] <IULIUS23ro> but if a script or something determine the size of files and redirect the downloads through proxy or not?
[01:15] <Knowerrors> IULIUS23ro: Id love 8k/s , I get 3k/s on my dialup :(((
[01:15] <LjL> IULIUS23ro: the problem is, how are you going to make that script integrate with apt?
[01:15] <IULIUS23ro> but normaly i had 1Mb/s
[01:15] <LjL> IULIUS23ro: have a look at apt-proxy, *maybe* (just maybe) it could be of help
[01:15] <IULIUS23ro> those were happy days
[01:16] <LjL> capping big downloads at 8kb/s seems really moronic
[01:16] <LjL> even worse than what my ISP does
[01:16] <IULIUS23ro> ya
[01:17] <IULIUS23ro> and files <5mb are downloaded with 32k/s
[01:17] <IULIUS23ro> :(
[01:19] <LjL> (my advice would have been: change provider :)
[01:22] <neoncode> Hey I use macromedia's flashplayer in 1.5 of mozilla firefox. and fonts wont display in SWF files. I have gsfonts-x11 and that fixed this problem before but now their not showing agean....
[01:24] <sambagirl> What means Kubuntu hugs day beastie??
[01:25] <neoncode> any help?
[01:25] <Hobbsee> sambagirl: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay
[01:26] <sambagirl> What means Kubuntu hugs day beastie?? i seeing in topic.
[01:27] <sambagirl> is hug or bug?
[01:27] <sambagirl> there is bug in hug? or hug in bug?
[01:28] <delltony> hey whats up guys
[01:29] <sambagirl> oh nevermind
[01:29] <sambagirl> must mean bug in topic not hug in bug
[01:29] <Knowerrors> Hey all, please look at this and help fix if ya can http://rafb.net/paste/results/tmkHqt72.html trying to install konq-plugins kde 3.5
[01:29] <delltony> ill hug ya sambagirl :)
[01:29] <sambagirl> or gug in dug not sure.
[01:30] <sambagirl> maybe it is hug in dug
[01:30] <sambagirl> no?
[01:30] <sambagirl> or maybe gub in dub?
[01:30] <delltony> slug on the rug
[01:30] <sambagirl> aha!
[01:30] <sambagirl> or maybe rug on the glus
[01:30] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: you'll have to use a --force-overwrite /usr/lib/kde3/konqsidebar_metabar.la at the end, i think
[01:30] <sambagirl> they need fix the topic or people thing is hug a bug day.
[01:31] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Who invited Dr. Seuss to this channel?
[01:31] <delltony> mother goose
[01:31] <Knowerrors> Hobbsee: at the end of what?
[01:31] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Should've seen that one coming
[01:32] <sambagirl> well fix thing please
[01:32] <sambagirl> it should be bug not hug.
[01:32] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get install konq-plugins  --force-overwrite /usr/lib/kde3/konqsidebar_metabar.la
[01:33] <Hobbsee> sambagirl: did you read the wiki page?  they said they'd decided not to call it kubuntu bug day
[01:33] <Rogue_Jedi_X> sambagirl: I think they intentionally typed hug instead of bug to reflect their afffection towards Kubuntu Linux
[01:33] <sambagirl> ok
[01:33] <Rogue_Jedi_X> And then there's Hobbsee explanation (I guess I should go read too)
[01:34] <neoncode> do you think ubuntu's !hug has anything to do with it?
[01:34] <Hobbsee> Rogue_Jedi_X: you pretty much got it - i thought it was odd when first put up there
[01:34] <Hobbsee> doubt it
[01:34] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Woo! Less reading for me!
[01:35] <neoncode> hey do all firefox plugins need a .xpt file or does firefox read .so files aswell?
[01:36] <Hobbsee> sambagirl: if you read that page, you'll see it's not a mistake!
[01:36] <Hobbsee> lol
[01:36] <orangey> hey all!
[01:36] <huhmz> slightly anal retentive? :)
[01:36] <orangey> what's the recommended firewall nowadays?
[01:37] <Knowerrors> Hobbsee: E: Command line option --force-overwrite is not understood
[01:37] <sambagirl> if i open up konquerer it jams things. i dont want to lock kubuntu up and then ahve to re-install again.
[01:37] <sambagirl> so can you tell me what it is telling me?
[01:37] <Hobbsee> -force-overwrite?
[01:39] <IULIUS23ro> im back again
[01:40] <wampus> what packages do i need to install to be able to install 3rd party window-deco's? in configure i get an error that says there are no kde headers installed
[01:41] <Knowerrors> Hobbsee: ahat did- had to remove the metapackage kdeaddons, then remove metabar, then install konq-plugins, now its all good
[01:41] <Knowerrors> what I did-
[01:41] <Hobbsee> :)
[01:41] <Hobbsee> wampus: kde-devel
[01:41] <IULIUS23ro> does anyone know how to install nvidia driver for riva tnt2 m64??
[01:41] <wampus> thanks
[01:42] <IULIUS23ro> doesnt want in the old fasion way
[01:50] <IULIUS23ro> i deleted by mistake Adet shortcut from my meniu how can i put it back?
[01:50] <IULIUS23ro> Adept
[01:52] <sampan> iulius23ro  right click the menu, select menu editor ... hit the "new item" button in the System submenu (or wherever you'd like it), type in Adept for the Name and adept %i %m -caption "%c" for the command -- you can choose an icon if you like -- then hit the save button
[01:52] <IULIUS23ro> :*
[01:52] <IULIUS23ro> ty ty ty
[01:52] <sampan> sure :)
[01:53] <sampan> oh and make sure to check the "run as a different user" box too
[01:53] <IULIUS23ro> oki doki
[01:56] <IULIUS23ro> if i wanna change my kde theme what software should i use (kde3.5)??
[01:56] <Hobbsee> IULIUS23ro: system settings
[01:56] <Hobbsee> theme manager
[02:01] <IULIUS23ro> kde headers what lib should i install?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> IULIUS23ro: kde-devel?
[02:01] <IULIUS23ro> ty
[02:01] <Hobbsee> !xincludes
[02:01] <ubotu> somebody said xincludes was for X dev libs, install xlibs-dev xlibs-static-dev and x-window-system-dev
[02:03] <LjL> ubotu no, xincludes is <reply> When a program or configure scripts asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[02:03] <ubotu> LjL: okay
[02:06] <`nauh> um, is it bad if you change the root pw?
[02:07] <fatejudger> LjL: lol, you treat it more like a dog than a bot
[02:07] <LjL> :o)
[02:09] <`nauh> because i can no longer enter 'administrator mode'
[02:09] <LjL> that's quite normal
[02:10] <LjL> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo#head-6357ee1f3ec93078a7d7cbc2c627208117e9499d
[02:10] <`nauh> umm i'm having trouble getting http connections atm
[02:10] <`nauh> my connection seems to have gone belly up
[02:10] <LjL> well, it justs says that if you set a root password, then GUI admin tools will stop working
[02:11] <`nauh> o
[02:11] <`nauh> doh
[02:11] <`nauh> is there an easy fix (like setting it back?)
[02:15] <LjL> `nauh: yes
[02:16] <LjL> sudo passwd -l root
[02:16] <`nauh> ah
[02:17] <IULIUS23ro> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.  how can i fix that in Adept??
[02:17] <`nauh> thnx LjL
[02:18] <Hobbsee> IULIUS23ro: which package was this?
[02:18] <IULIUS23ro> kde-devel
[02:18] <Hobbsee> close adept, go through the console: sudo apt-get install kde-devel
[02:18] <IULIUS23ro> doesnt want too
[02:19] <jonathon> hello is it my imagination or does kde run a fair slug slower than gnome?
[02:19] <`nauh> u must admit its prettier tho
[02:19] <IULIUS23ro> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[02:19] <IULIUS23ro> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[02:19] <IULIUS23ro> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[02:19] <jonathon> yes its very pretty
[02:19] <IULIUS23ro> or been moved out of Incoming.
[02:19] <IULIUS23ro> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
[02:19] <Hobbsee> IULIUS23ro: !pastebin
[02:19] <IULIUS23ro> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
[02:20] <IULIUS23ro> that package should be filed.
[02:20] <Hobbsee> paste the entire error to pastebin
[02:20] <Hobbsee> !pastebin
[02:20] <IULIUS23ro> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[02:20] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl or at http://ubuntu.pastebin.com
[02:20] <IULIUS23ro> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:20] <sampan> :/
[02:20] <IULIUS23ro>   kde-devel: Depends: kdesdk but it is not going to be installed
[02:20] <IULIUS23ro>              Depends: kdelibs4-dev but it is not going to be installed
[02:20] <IULIUS23ro>              Depends: kdebase-dev but it is not going to be installed
[02:20] <IULIUS23ro>              Depends: libkonq4-dev but it is not going to be installed
[02:20] <IULIUS23ro> E: Broken packages
[02:20] <Pupeno> anyone from Galway, Ireland ?
[02:20] <Hobbsee> ah ok...
[02:20] <jonathon> anyone got limewire installed?
[02:20] <IULIUS23ro> !pastebin
[02:20] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get install kde-devel kdelibs4-dev kdebase-dev libkonq4-dev
[02:21] <Hobbsee> IULIUS23ro: sudo apt-get install kde-devel kdelibs4-dev kdebase-dev libkonq4-dev
[02:21] <IULIUS23ro> 25Mb :((
[02:21] <IULIUS23ro> all night
[02:21] <Hobbsee> you on dialup or something?
[02:22] <noirequus> IULIUS23ro: please read the /topic, and use a pastebin
[02:22] <IULIUS23ro> no
[02:22] <IULIUS23ro> im downloading tthrough a proxy
[02:22] <IULIUS23ro> files bigger than 5Mb
[02:23] <IULIUS23ro> and i dont know how to make apt to manage the files automaticaly by the size
[02:23] <LjL> yes, IULIUS23ro has an interesting problem
[02:23] <LjL> his ISP only allows direct download of files smaller than 5Mb. above that, one must pass through a (8kb/s capped) proxy server
[02:23] <IULIUS23ro> yes
[02:24] <IULIUS23ro> sad but true
[02:24] <sampan> well since there are four files that = 25mb, maybe only one or two will be over the 5mb limit?
[02:24] <LjL> why not try another proxy server by the way? if you manage to find one with decent bandwidth, perhaps you can fool your ISP
[02:24] <IULIUS23ro> cant
[02:25] <IULIUS23ro>  i have an account on my university server
[02:25] <IULIUS23ro> a very good server
[02:25] <IULIUS23ro> but i dont know how to make port forwarding
[02:25] <IULIUS23ro> or to put a proxy there
[02:25] <IULIUS23ro> a small and clever one
[02:26] <LjL> you don't necessarily need to *make* a proxy, you could just *use* one... i don't know for example if TOR can give decent bandwidth?
[02:26] <IULIUS23ro> after that i shuold have 1Mb/s speed
[02:26] <IULIUS23ro> but i dont have many rights on that account
[02:26] <IULIUS23ro> i tried php proxy
[02:27] <IULIUS23ro> doesnt work anymore
[02:28] <LjL> also, can you tell me what exactly happens if you try to download files bigger than 5mb without the proxy?
[02:28] <LjL> do they fail immediately, or do they stop downloading when they reach 5mb?
[02:29] <IULIUS23ro> a blank page appears and says to me to use a download manager
[02:29] <IULIUS23ro> they fall
[02:29] <nalioth> IULIUS23ro: use wget or curl
[02:29] <IULIUS23ro> doesnt work
[02:29] <IULIUS23ro> i have to download through that damn proxy
[02:30] <LjL> well, if they're failing immediately, then i suppose they won't fail if you download from a server that doesn't *tell* how big a file is in the first place...
[02:30] <LjL> and there are such servers around. although, i doubt you'd find an *ubuntu mirror* like that around...!
[02:31] <IULIUS23ro> so do u suggest to search for a proxy on TOR?
[02:31] <LjL> no, to either search for a proxy or to use TOR
[02:31] <niggpie> I'm using the default Bittorrent client for Ubuntu.  Can someone tell me what port it is using by default?  How can I change this port?  I can't seem to find the option anywhere.. please help! :)
[02:32] <IULIUS23ro> lets try then
[02:32] <IULIUS23ro> ty
[02:34] <LjL> uh... here, tor seems to be downloading *very* fast
[02:34] <LjL> i wouldn't have expected it to
[02:36] <IULIUS23ro> ??
[02:36] <kinfo> what?
[02:36] <nalioth> IULIUS23ro: you can set up your wgetrc or curlrc to use a proxy
[02:36] <IULIUS23ro> i know that but the problem is the speed 8kb/s through that proxy
[02:37] <IULIUS23ro> otherwise is 32kb/s
[02:37] <IULIUS23ro> and i wanna trick my ISP to avoid that limitation
[02:37] <Snowgen> bit torrent uses ports 6881-6889 by default, IIRC
[02:38] <fatejudger> IULIUS23ro: where do you live?
[02:38] <IULIUS23ro> in romania
[02:38] <fatejudger> IULIUS23ro: lol, I'm guessing the ISPs suck there
[02:38] <IULIUS23ro> the country were everything is opensource
[02:39] <IULIUS23ro> im student and i live in the campus
[02:39] <fatejudger> IULIUS23ro: yeah, too bad most of the people there are too poor to afford computers
[02:39] <IULIUS23ro> but last year i had an ISP with 1-2 Mb/s
[02:39] <IULIUS23ro> u see are poor people here (many)
[02:40] <IULIUS23ro> but those who are reach have relatives working in another countries
[02:40] <IULIUS23ro> we have european prices on products but eastern europe wages
[02:40] <IULIUS23ro> :(
[02:41] <IULIUS23ro> fatejudger: were are u from?
[02:42] <fatejudger> IULIUS23ro: USA
[02:42] <IULIUS23ro> good for u
[02:42] <IULIUS23ro> u are with 200 years in front of us
[02:44] <granbar> :)
[02:46] <Snowgen> is there a list somewhere of the packages that can removed after installing the KDE packages in an attempt to turn ubuntu into kubuntu?
[02:47] <LjL> IULIUS23ro: i was mistaken (i misconfigured Tor), it's not going very fast. but, i'm downloading at over 20kbytes per second
[02:47] <LjL> so it should still be good for you
[02:47] <IULIUS23ro> now i downloaded it
[02:47] <LjL> IULIUS23ro: "downloaded" it? i hope you mean you apt-get installed it
[02:47] <IULIUS23ro> ya
[02:48] <IULIUS23ro> :))
[02:48] <LjL> ok
[02:48] <IULIUS23ro> apt-get
[02:48] <LjL> edit /etc/privoxy/config
[02:48] <IULIUS23ro> still thinking at that winbloze
[02:48] <LjL> find the section where it talks about "forward-socks"
[02:48] <LjL> and add this line    forward-socks4a / localhost:9050 .
[02:48] <LjL> note the period!!
[02:49] <LjL> "   forward-socks4a / localhost:9050 .    "
[02:49] <IULIUS23ro> how do i paste something big here?
[02:49] <IULIUS23ro> to show u
[02:49] <LjL> you don't
[02:49] <LjL> paste it in kubuntu.pastebin.com
[02:49] <IULIUS23ro> private?
[02:50] <LjL> after you've added that line, run     sudo /etc/init.d/privoxy restart
[02:50] <IULIUS23ro> k
[02:50] <LjL> and then do an "export http_proxy=localhost:8118" to let wget know to use Tor
[02:51] <IULIUS23ro> Couldn't access/create private data directory /var/lib/tor
[02:51] <niggpie> snowgen: thanks!
[02:51] <LjL> at that point, just try downloading a file with wget (i've tried with http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/abiword/abiword_2.4.1.orig.tar.gz   for testing)
[02:51] <IULIUS23ro> Couldn't access/create private data directory /var/lib/tor
[02:51] <LjL> IULIUS23ro: at which point did it give you that error?
[02:51] <IULIUS23ro> with sudo
[02:51] <IULIUS23ro> edit /etc/privoxy/config
[02:52] <IULIUS23ro> i apt-got tor
[02:52] <LjL> uh, yes, /etc/privoxy/config should be edited with sudo
[02:52] <IULIUS23ro> yes but doesnt let me
[02:53] <LjL> you mean it is telling you "Couldn't access/create private data directory /var/lib/tor" *when you try to edit /etc/privoxy/config"?
[02:53] <Knowerrors> Hey all, when using systemsettings from cli, when I go to change GTK fonts I get : systemsettings: WARNING: KLocale: trying to look up "" in catalog. Fix the program QFile::writeBlock: File not open
[02:53] <Knowerrors> any ideas?
[02:53] <IULIUS23ro> i dont have etc/privoxy
[02:53] <LjL> IULIUS23ro: uh, wait a moment
[02:53] <LjL> IULIUS23ro: oooh right, you used apt-get
[02:53] <LjL> IULIUS23ro: "sudo apt-get install privoxy socat"
[02:54] <LjL> sorry, i used aptitude, which installs privoxy too
[02:54] <IULIUS23ro> and when im typing sudo tor [err]  options_act(): Couldn't access/create private data directory /var/lib/tor
[02:55] <LjL> you shouldn't type "sudo tor" at all
[02:55] <LjL> tor is a service, it's started using the relevant scripts in /etc/init.d
[02:55] <LjL> (i.e. "sudo /etc/init.d/tor start", "sudo /etc/init.d/tor stop", "sudo /etc/init.d/tor restart")
[02:55] <IULIUS23ro> adduser: The group `nogroup' does not exist.
[02:55] <LjL> ?!?
[02:55] <IULIUS23ro> adduser: The group `nogroup' does not exist.
[02:55] <LjL> please, one thing at a time
[02:56] <Tigerhawk> Hello
[02:56] <LjL> when did it tell you this
[02:56] <IULIUS23ro> the results: adduser: The group `nogroup' does not exist.
[02:56] <IULIUS23ro> after apt-get install privoxy socat
[02:56] <LjL> ok, just ignore that error for now
[02:56] <LjL> type "sudo /etc/init.d/tor restart"
[02:57] <Tigerhawk> I am going to install kubuntu on a computer without a internet connection, is there anything that I need download to get support for mp3, mpeg and dvd's?
[02:57] <IULIUS23ro> okay
[02:57] <IULIUS23ro> and now?
[02:57] <LjL> IULIUS23ro: now edit /etc/privoxy/config the way i told you
[02:58] <LjL> Tigerhawk: yeah there are a few packages you should get...
[02:58] <LjL> !tell Tigerhawk about restrictedformats
[02:58] <Tigerhawk> whcihc ones
[02:58] <LjL> Tigerhawk: the "apt-zip" program could be useful for you
[02:58] <Tigerhawk> I won't ahve internet on it
[02:58] <Tigerhawk> *excuse my bad typing*
[02:59] <Tigerhawk> apt-zip?
[02:59] <LjL> the page ubotu sent you lists them. of course, they will have dependencies, but i think apt-zip will help you with that
[03:00] <LjL> Tigerhawk: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/445681
[03:01] <LjL> IULIUS23ro: still there? ;) when finished, type "sudo /etc/init.d/privoxy restart"
[03:02] <LjL> IULIUS23ro: then "export http_proxy=localhost:8118", and then "wget http://it.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/abiword/abiword_2.4.1.orig.tar.gz", and see if it works and how fast it goes
[03:02] <Cube-ness> anybody use kvpnc?
[03:02] <Cube-ness> i dont really understand how vpn stuff works..i get connected to our work vpn, but then what?
[03:03] <IULIUS23ro> LjL:
[03:03] <IULIUS23ro> failed on restarting the server
[03:04] <IULIUS23ro> and Connecting to localhost|<IP_ADDRESS>|:8118... failed: Connection refused
[03:06] <LjL> IULIUS23ro: the only error was "failed on restarting the server"? and that was after "sudo /etc/init.d/tor restart"?
[03:07] <IULIUS23ro> privoxy doesnt want to restart
[03:07] <IULIUS23ro> failes
[03:07] <LjL> IULIUS23ro: hm are you sure you have edited the config file correctly?
[03:07] <IULIUS23ro> in section 5.2
[03:08] <IULIUS23ro> i inserted forward-socks4a / localhost:9050 .
[03:08] <IULIUS23ro> in a new line
[03:09] <LjL> IULIUS23ro: uhm... just try "sudo apt-get --reinstall install privoxy"
[03:09] <IULIUS23ro> my ip is configured through DHCP
[03:09] <LjL> don't think that should be a problem
[03:09] <IULIUS23ro> so maybe thats the problem
[03:09] <IULIUS23ro> ??
[03:12] <LjL> also try "sudo apt-get --reinstall install socat"
[03:12] <LjL> and then try again (re)starting the privoxy service
[03:12] <IULIUS23ro> i know that went wrong yesterday i deleted the nobody user
[03:12] <LjL> aw
[03:12] <LjL> why =)
[03:13] <IULIUS23ro> ;)
[03:13] <IULIUS23ro> u tell me =))
[03:13] <IULIUS23ro> im learning
[03:13] <IULIUS23ro> so i make mistakes
[03:13] <IULIUS23ro> ;)
[03:13] <LjL> in /etc/passwd i have     nobody:x:65534:65534:nobody:/nonexistent:/bin/sh
[03:13] <LjL> in /etc/groupd i have    nogroup:x:65534:
[03:14] <LjL> . /etc/group that is
[03:14] <LjL> in /etc/shadow, nobody:*:13079:0:99999:7:::
[03:15] <IULIUS23ro> ty
[03:15] <LjL> when you're done adding that, "sudo apt-get --reinstall install tor privoxy socat"
[03:16] <Kalidarn> grr *Checking battery state...  (my workstation doesnt have a battery so it just hangs)
[03:16] <IULIUS23ro> ok
[03:16] <IULIUS23ro> till now
[03:16] <IULIUS23ro> ;)
[03:16] <LjL> then restart both tor and privoxy
[03:17] <Kalidarn> and control-c doesn't skip it
[03:17] <Kalidarn> the first two restarts, it didnt think i had a battery
[03:18] <Kalidarn> so is there any wayof removing this?
[03:18] <IULIUS23ro> LjL: Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden
[03:18] <LjL> that's with wget?
[03:18] <LjL> hm
[03:18] <IULIUS23ro> yes
[03:19] <Knowerrors> how do you edit file ownership from cli?
[03:19] <IULIUS23ro> brb
[03:19] <LjL> open your browser, set it to use proxy "localhost:8118", and see if you can browse
[03:19] <LjL> Knowerrors: chown
[03:19] <Knowerrors> thx
[03:21] <Knowerrors> fixed my problem on the gtk fonts engine and themes not changeable, the file /home/flow/.kde/share/config/kcontrolrc was locked and root owned
[03:21] <Knowerrors> hmm, spoke too soon
[03:22] <LjL> Kalidarn: you've got an nvidia card?
[03:24] <IULIUS23ro> LjL: how can i contact u later cause my girlfriend has some problems in germany and i have to tell here how to get back in romania?
[03:24] <Kalidarn> yes Kalidarn
[03:25] <LjL> i'll be back here tomorrow IULIUS23ro
[03:25] <Kalidarn> duh
[03:25] <Kalidarn> wtf
[03:25] <Kalidarn> im talking to myself
[03:25] <LjL> heh
[03:25] <Kalidarn> hes LjL
[03:25] <IULIUS23ro> ty
[03:25] <LjL> Kalidarn: then http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-77588.html might be of interest
[03:25] <Kalidarn> ah okays
[03:25] <Delvien> I have a question if i have a registered version of VMware for windows, can i get the VMware for linux with the same registration?
[03:26] <Stele> i dbout it
[03:29] <Kalidarn> so LjL what was the solution to that though
[03:29] <Kalidarn> it never really had one ;P
[03:30] <Kalidarn> or should i just use the Linux Nvidia drivers off the Nvidia website
[03:30] <LjL> i dunno, i don't even have an nvidia :) i just googled for your problem
[03:30] <gerst_> hi
[03:30] <Kalidarn> oh okay
[03:31] <LjL> at least you know it's probably nvidia related now ;)
[03:31] <Kalidarn> nah
[03:31] <gerst_> can someone help me out , im running ubuntu and when i try to login with user a got error cant cd to /home/user
[03:31] <Kalidarn> cos people in there are saying they have radeons and matrox cards
[03:32] <Knowerrors> Anyone know what this means? kcontrol: WARNING: KLocale: trying to look up "" in catalog. Fix the program QFile::writeBlock: File not open
[03:32] <LjL> gerst_: is it a fresh installation?
[03:32] <gerst_> yes
[03:32] <LjL> gerst_: and you can't login with the main user that you created during installation?
[03:33] <gerst_> yap, I have made another user with root but I cant log with new user either..
[03:33] <LjL> so, i take it you chose "expert" install, since you seem to have a root account?
[03:33] <Blissex> gerst_: you should have given the '''make home directory '' option to 'adduser'?
[03:33] <LjL> Blissex: it does that automatically. perhaps he used "useradd" tho
[03:34] <gerst_> but there is a home directory i can see it with root
[03:34] <gerst_> i just cant login..
[03:34] <LjL> gerst_: check /etc/passwd, and see if the home directory is correct there
[03:34] <Blissex> gerst_: check that the '/home' directory is at least 'x' for everybody...
[03:34] <Blissex> gerst_: paste here the 3 lines from ''ls -ld / /home /home/<user>'
[03:35] <gerst_> i dont know how to copy paste at terminal :) i cant run x with root
[03:36] <LjL> drwxr-xr-x  77 ljl  ljl  8192 2005-12-02 03:16 ljl
[03:36] <LjL> check that it looks like that when you type "ls -l /home"
[03:37] <Blissex> gerst_: run the 'gpm' daemon.
[03:37] <gerst_> I`ve checked password file thats ok
[03:38] <gerst_> yes it looks like that
[03:39] <LjL> especially, check that it says "drwx" at the beginning
[03:39] <gerst_> what is gpm?
[03:39] <LjL> and that it mentions the name of your user three times
[03:39] <LjL> gpm is a mouse daemon for the console
[03:39] <LjL> apt-get install gpm
[03:40] <gerst_> yes, there is drwx
[03:40] <gerst_> and the user is there too 3x
[03:40] <gerst_> strange..
[03:41] <LjL> you used adduser to add the second user didn't you
[03:41] <gerst_> yes
[03:47] <Delvien> Ok i have this vmware-instal.pl how do i run it???????
[03:53] <gerst_> thanks for trying to help I`ll go to sleep now, I`ll do something later.. cheers
[03:55] <IULIUS23ro> ffmpeg/avcodec.h i got error on compiling konversation
[03:59] <fatejudger> IULIUS23ro: why are you compiling Konversation?
[04:00] <IULIUS23ro> need videochat to help my girlfriend
[04:00] <IULIUS23ro> :(
[04:01] <IULIUS23ro> got stuck at the frontier with hungary
[04:01] <pussfeller> whats kdevelop called in kubuntu
[04:01] <IULIUS23ro> what videochat software i need to use in kopete?
[04:02] <pussfeller> ah its kdevelp3
[04:21] <psychocat> is adept always so buggy?
[04:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> i havent heard many complaints
[04:25] <djk_> i'd assume that depends on the definition of "always" and "so" and "buggy" :p
[04:57] <Sonny_Wertzik> anyone here get the quake 4 demo to run?
[04:59] <Knowerrors> whats the apt-get command structure to purge  a package?
[05:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-get --purge remove packge
[05:03] <pussfeller> how do i make konsole see my gazillion fonts, and not just 8-9
[05:12] <Knowerrors> thx Kamping_Kaiser , man page was unclear, said use --purge instead of remove, lol
[05:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, use both :|
[05:16] <_aj> ok i have a problem i can't figure out
[05:17] <kkathman> hi _aj :)
[05:17] <kkathman> wassup
[05:17] <_aj> for some reason konqueror likes to freeze my whole system when i start it up
[05:17] <kkathman> hmm
[05:17] <kkathman> same thing you were experiencing earlier?
[05:17] <_aj> i'm guessing its an nvidia driver issue
[05:17] <_aj> yeah same thing
[05:17] <kkathman> have you tried to watch the cpu usage
[05:17] <kkathman> ??
[05:17] <kinfo> what?
[05:18] <_aj> well when it happens i can move the mouse but the system is un-repsonsive and i have to turn it off manually which is not a good solution
[05:18] <kkathman> how do you know its a Konqueror solution?
[05:18] <kkathman> er problem
[05:18] <_aj> well its the only app so far that does that
[05:19] <_aj> and it happens after i start it up
[05:19] <kkathman> well dont start it then
[05:19] <_aj> the cursor moves but stays in the normal state no I-beam or anything
[05:19] <_aj> lol great solution
[05:19] <kkathman> well there ARE other browsers :::)
[05:19] <_aj> i think i'm gonna try using 2d nvidia driver
[05:19] <kkathman> until you can figure it out
[05:20] <_aj> i just like how konq fits with kde
[05:21] <kkathman> its ok, but not that great as a browser...good as a file manager tho
[05:21] <kkathman> I like it as an fm
[05:21] <_aj> but it passed acid lol
[05:21] <kkathman> but krusader is very nice also
[05:21] <_aj> what is krusader for?
[05:21] <kkathman> file manager...on steroids
[05:22] <_aj> is that part of kde?
[05:22] <kkathman> nah..you have to install it
[05:22] <kkathman> but its very nice
[05:22] <_aj> yeah i tell you though apt-get is so smooth
[05:22] <kkathman> but konq file manager is pretty dang good
[05:22] <kkathman> but I dont like it as a browser .... too many things it cant render
[05:23] <_aj> really?
[05:24] <kkathman> hey ClayG :)
[05:24] <_aj> i think it has improved over the yearss
[05:24] <kkathman> its better but not as good as it should be
[05:24] <_aj> has anyone ever run firefox compiled with qt?
[05:24] <kkathman> I'd use Firefox before that
[05:24] <ClayG> Hello kkathman  how are you doing?
[05:24] <_aj> i had a static one one time
[05:25] <kkathman> good Clay :)
[05:26] <ClayG> kkathman, are you farely good in cli?
[05:26] <_aj> actually for some reason though as far as file managers sometimes i really like nautilus as a file manager
[05:26] <kkathman> its not bad
[05:27] <kkathman> ClayG: somewhat but not as good as others Im sur
[05:28] <_aj> i have a question not sure if people know here
[05:28] <_aj> how come when i run gtk apps it uses an ugly theeme
[05:29] <_aj> until i run a gtk app manually like gnome-theme-manager
[05:29] <kkathman> _aj you need to check the appropriate option in kde to use KDE themes with gtk apps
[05:29] <_aj> oh ok
[05:30] <kkathman> _aj: system settings - appearance - gtk themes
[05:30] <_aj> i have it set to use my style in gtk apps ? is that the right option?
[05:30] <kkathman> no have it use KDE themes
[05:31] <_aj> well i went to gtk styles and options
[05:31] <_aj> and its set to use my kde style in gtk apps
[05:31] <kkathman> good thats the way it should be
[05:31] <_aj> but for some reason when i started firefox it was ugly
[05:31] <kkathman> yah well firefox isnt gtk or kde
[05:31] <_aj> its not gtk?
[05:31] <kkathman> its just ugly
[05:32] <kkathman> unless you get some FF themes
[05:32] <kkathman> there are darn few of them right now tho
[05:32] <kkathman> I use Opera so I dont mess with it
[05:32] <_aj> oh you are an opera person lol
[05:32] <kkathman> yah
[05:32] <kkathman> one stop shopping in Opera
[05:33] <kkathman> Browser, Mail, IRC Chat, newsreader, RSS feeds, you name it
[05:33] <_aj> yeah
[05:34] <_aj> i was just on digg.com
[05:34] <_aj> i see that dr.divx open source is coming to linux
[05:34] <_aj> sorry thats off topic
[05:34] <dpupp> sounds madness! how to i turn off sounds for maximize window, open window, minimize window.. i feel like im playing with a fisher price toy. i remember seeing the option during install/config, but i didnt think much of it when turning it all on.
[05:34] <gp_aaron> is kubuntu using kde3.5 yet?
[05:34] <seth_k|lappy> yes
[05:34] <dpupp> gp_aaron, no. its 3.4.3
[05:35] <kkathman> gp_aaron: no
[05:35] <_aj> its available though
[05:35] <gp_aaron> does it update?
[05:35] <kkathman> 3.5 is available ...but it isnt synched with apps
[05:35] <gp_aaron> like if i give my friend a kubuntu cd and he installs it
[05:35] <gp_aaron> damn it
[05:35] <kkathman> no
[05:36] <kkathman> only way you can get 3.5 is through a testing repository
[05:36] <gp_aaron> i'll just do it for him, it's all good
[05:36] <kkathman> then you are on your own to fit it
[05:36] <kkathman> there's not much diff between 3.4.3 and 3.5
[05:36] <_aj> what autorun and new applets? lol
[05:37] <dpupp> where do i control system sound options?
[05:37] <kkathman> System settings - Sound and multimedia
[05:37] <gp_aaron> _aj: speed differences
[05:37] <_aj> oh ok
[05:37] <gp_aaron> i'll set him up on arch
[05:38] <_aj> i can't wait for kde 4 and plasma though
[05:38] <kkathman> autorun is all time full time
[05:38] <kkathman> which isnt good
[05:38] <gp_aaron> it has the binary for kde 3.5
[05:38] <kkathman> new applets arent there (if you are talking about superkaramba)
[05:38] <kkathman> if I were suggesting, I'd tell people to wait a few days
[05:38] <gp_aaron> kkathman: i hear that the kde 3.5 on debian/ubuntu is modified and has a few bugs
[05:39] <dpupp> system settings -> sound and multimedia? is that in gnome or kde? im using kde and see no option as that. i see settings, but i dont see sound and multimedia.
[05:39] <kkathman> yes it has plenty of install glitches...to be expected
[05:39] <gp_aaron> kkathman: not for me
[05:39] <kkathman> dpupp then try alt-f2 kcontrol
[05:39] <gp_aaron> but i've never tried it on kubuntu
[05:39] <dpupp> perfect. thanks
[05:40] <kkathman> gp_aaron: just depends on what you've tried
[05:40] <kkathman> or what you have installed
[05:40] <gp_aaron> kde-base kde-extra kde-tools
[05:40] <_aj> well the autorun is interesting just wish it wasn't a total ripoff
[05:41] <_aj> but that happens all the time
[05:41] <kkathman> lots of work needed there
[05:41] <gp_aaron> autorun is bull
[05:41] <_aj> the applets thing i was reading a preview of kde 3.5 and they talked about it
[05:41] <gp_aaron> but then again i don't like guis all that much
[05:41] <kkathman> _aj:  but some of the kde progs are being held back too
[05:42] <_aj> what do you  mean?
[05:43] <gp_aaron> i think they arn't in the package
[05:43] <kkathman> _aj:  many of the apps are being held back and not upgraded to 3.5 status
[05:43] <_aj> oh
[05:43] <kkathman> thats why its wise to wait
[05:43] <_aj> so 3.5 isn't really final? or what?
[05:44] <kkathman> its final..but wont be final on kubuntu until Dapper
[05:44] <_aj> oh
[05:44] <_aj> unless you compile yourself?
[05:44] <kkathman> so you'll always be installing a problem child
[05:44] <_aj> so 3.5 is the last of the 3.x series correct?
[05:45] <kkathman> but at least in a few days it will be placed in the standard repos, which will ensure most of the incompatibilities will be worked out I think
[05:45] <kkathman> _aj:  correct
[05:45] <gp_aaron> why is it being held back
[05:45] <_aj> i have another question though
[05:45] <gp_aaron> debian issues?
[05:45] <_aj> in gnome on my notebook i have volume controls on the outside
[05:45] <IULIUS23ro> hello is it safe to remove packages from /var/cache/apt/archive??
[05:45] <kkathman> gp_aaron:  its not being held back...some APPS are being held back
[05:45] <_aj> and in gnome they can mute the volume and change the volume but does nothing in kde...is there a way to get it to work in kde?
[05:46] <gp_aaron> kkathman: but why i ask
[05:46] <kkathman> gp_aaron: not compatible with 3.5
[05:46] <kkathman> or...should I say...they have not been brought up to 3.5 functionallity
[05:46] <IULIUS23ro> hello is it safe to remove packages from /var/cache/apt/archive??
[05:46] <gp_aaron> odd, no problems for me
[05:47] <kkathman> gp_aaron:  good :)
[05:47] <gp_aaron> kkathman: but i'm on a tar.gz based binary distro
[05:47] <kkathman> you are one of the few lucky ones :)
[05:47] <_aj> gp_aaron: which one?
[05:47] <IULIUS23ro> hello is it safe to remove packages from /var/cache/apt/archive??
[05:48] <_aj> IULIUS23ro: i think so i think they are just the downloaded debs but i'm not totally sure
[05:48] <gp_aaron> kkathman: actually anyone i've talked to using this distro + kde 3.5 has not had any problems
[05:48] <kkathman> IULIUS23ro: if noone has answered they probably dont know with certainly
[05:48] <IULIUS23ro> oki doki
[05:48] <kkathman> gp_aaron:  good
[05:48] <gp_aaron> other than flash doesn't have sound when used with konqoeur
[05:48] <gp_aaron> _aj: archlinux
[05:48] <JavaGeek> hello
[05:48] <_aj> oh ok
[05:48] <JavaGeek> I have locked myself out of sudo
[05:49] <JavaGeek> is there a way to access root account
[05:49] <gp_aaron> su
[05:49] <kkathman> !root
[05:49] <ubotu> from memory, root is rumour has it, that root is disabled in Ubuntu, actually this means there is no password set for the root account, use sudo when you need admin access, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:49] <_aj> how can you lock yourself out of sudo? i didn't know that was possible
[05:49] <gp_aaron> oh right
[05:49] <gp_aaron> no root
[05:49] <gp_aaron> that is stupid..
[05:49] <kkathman> gp_aaron:  please dont be crass
[05:49] <gp_aaron> couldn't you still just sudo passwd
[05:49] <gp_aaron> then su
[05:50] <JavaGeek> I was adding myself to the fuse group
[05:50] <JavaGeek> 'sudo usermod -G fuse <myaccount>'
[05:50] <JavaGeek> but that took me out of all the other groups, including admin
[05:50] <_aj> oh
[05:50] <jhealey> hey all
[05:50] <JavaGeek> so now I can't sudo and root is locked
[05:51] <_aj> you can't just add one group to the list
[05:51] <_aj> thats a tough position
[05:51] <JavaGeek> _aj: *now* i know
[05:51] <gp_aaron> isn't there some gui tool for doing that?
[05:51] <jhealey> anyone here in texas?
[05:51] <_aj> yeah there is i believe
[05:51] <gp_aaron> ick
[05:52] <gp_aaron> but good
[05:52] <JavaGeek> yeah, but I was doing it remotely thru ssh
[05:52] <_aj> but i thought there was a way to usermod and just add a group
[05:52] <JavaGeek> so, no way to become root now?
[05:52] <jhealey> anyone install KDE 3.5 on a Breezy machine running Gnome?
[05:52] <_aj> i don't know enough about linux honestly
[05:52] <_aj> i'm sure there is a way
[05:52] <IULIUS23ro> could anyone tell me how to install nvidia driver for my riva tn2 model 64 video card?
[05:52] <IULIUS23ro> i tried tutorials but after that X server wont start
[05:53] <_aj> so basically what you did was you removed the root account and need root to add an account
[05:53] <JavaGeek> no, I removed my account from the admin group
[05:53] <_aj> yeah i know
[05:53] <JavaGeek> the root account is disabled
[05:53] <_aj> but you can't change it
[05:54] <JavaGeek> and there's no other admin account
[05:54] <kkathman> ok folks Im off to bed...night
[05:54] <_aj> but do enable it you need to sudo right?
[05:54] <JavaGeek> so basically I'm screwed?
[05:54] <jhealey> what about booting to single user mode
[05:54] <`nauh> are you logged in?
[05:54] <_aj> jhealey: that might work
[05:54] <PokerFacePenguin> wonder what recovery mode boot would do for that....hmm
[05:55] <JavaGeek> nauh: not anymore
[05:55] <`nauh> uhg, i'm trying to compile some drivers and i'm getting 'gcc-2.3' command not found, but I have gcc 4.0, what gives?
[05:55] <JavaGeek> how do I boot to single user mode?
[05:55] <`nauh> bummer
[05:56] <jhealey> first, make sure you arent married
[05:56] <_aj> lol
[05:56] <_aj> thats a bad joke
[05:56] <jhealey> sorry, i couldn't help myself
[05:56] <skypa> morning
[05:57] <jhealey> hello skypa
[05:57] <`nauh> anyone build the ipw2200 drivers on ubuntu?
[05:57] <skypa> *yawn*
[05:57] <skypa> 6am utc+1.. that's just cruel
[05:58] <JavaGeek> ok, I'll try something...
[05:59] <_aj> i forget how to do single user mode
[05:59] <_aj> google should know though
[05:59] <Delvien> Anyone have any experience with installing VMware?????
[06:01] <IULIUS23ro> could anyone tell me how to install nvidia driver for my riva tn2 model 64 video card?
[06:01] <IULIUS23ro> i tried tutorials but after that X server wont start
[06:02] <moshe> hello
[06:02] <moshe> does anyone here have trouble player embedded video in konqueror using kaffeine-gstreamer?
[06:04] <moshe> it makes kaffeine unusable as a web browser.
[06:04] <moshe> whoops
[06:04] <moshe> it makes konqueror unusable as a web browser.
[06:06] <sampan> moshe, yeah the gstreamer engine crashes konq for me a lot.  i installed kaffeine-xine and then opened up kaffeine and changed the engine to xine and that has been stable for me thus far
[06:06] <moshe> changed the engine to xine?
[06:06] <moshe> doesn't installing kaffeine-xine do that for you?
[06:07] <sampan> no, i had to open up kaffeine and manually change the engine from gstreamer to xine
[06:07] <moshe> hmmm
[06:07] <moshe> which menu?
[06:07] <dell500> ya i had to do that too when i installed kaffeine :\
[06:07] <sampan> settings --> player engine
[06:07] <JavaGeek> w00t!
[06:07] <sampan> switched it from kaffeine-gstreamer to just plain "kaffeine" (which is xine now)
[06:08] <JavaGeek> ok, booting into single  user mode fixed my problem
[06:08] <JavaGeek> can anyone tell me what are the default groups an admin account has?
[06:08] <JavaGeek> (the first account set by the installer)
[06:08] <moshe> kaffeine has sucked since they made this new interface
[06:09] <moshe> I loved it up to 0.4.3, and then the dev screwed it up
[06:09] <moshe> now it's only good for embedded video in konqueror
[06:09] <JavaGeek> _alain_: thx
[06:10] <JavaGeek> _aj: thx
[06:10] <moshe> son of a gun
[06:10] <moshe> it works now in konqueror
[06:10] <moshe> and there was much rejoicing
[06:11] <sampan> lol :)
[06:11] <IULIUS23ro> could anyone tell me how to install nvidia driver for my riva tnt2 model 64 video card?
[06:11] <bur[n] er> i wish hitting "M" in kaffeine was more like "H" in totem
[06:11] <JavaGeek> can someone tell me the groups for the admin account?
[06:11] <JavaGeek> 'id'
[06:11] <bur[n] er> !nvidia
[06:11] <ubotu> hmm... nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[06:11] <_aj> for some reason i like the player kplayer for video
[06:11] <moshe> bur[n] er, you mean with the window resizing?
[06:11] <bur[n] er> moshe: exactly
[06:11] <bur[n] er> moshe: kaffeine leaves blackspace :\
[06:12] <bur[n] er> it's the little things ya know ;)
[06:12] <moshe> I just wish someone would bring back the old interface
[06:12] <JavaGeek> is anyone running kubuntu?
[06:13] <_aj> i am
[06:13] <_aj> JavaGeek:
[06:13] <_aj> oops
[06:13] <_aj> what do you need to know
[06:13] <_aj> i'm looking at /etc/group
[06:13] <_aj> it says in the sudoers file
[06:13] <_aj> you just need to be part of the admin group to do sudo at least
[06:14] <PokerFacePenguin> JavaGeek, this may help your root problem http://linuxgazette.net/107/tomar.html
[06:14] <JavaGeek> _aj: I only want to set the original groups I had for my account
[06:15] <JavaGeek> I'm assuming they're the same for all accounts created during install
[06:15] <jhealey> chiblik
[06:15] <jhealey> try chiblik -r
[06:17] <JavaGeek> _aj: could you give me the output of 'id'?
[06:17] <PokerFacePenguin> extensive article on "forgetting root" and the like found at http://linuxgazette.net/107/tomar.html  --- basically, boot to single user mode as suggested before by appending single to your grub boot entry
[06:17] <JavaGeek> PokerFacePenguin: thx. I already fixed that part
[06:18] <PokerFacePenguin> good deal
[06:18] <JavaGeek> but I want to know what groups I need to set for my account
[06:18] <_aj> you ready JavaGeek?
[06:18] <JavaGeek> for starters, I had to set 'audio' group to hear sound
[06:18] <JavaGeek> I can't mount my usb drives, so I guess I need another group
[06:19] <_aj> id
[06:19] <_aj> uid=1000(aj) gid=1000(aj) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),104(lpadmin),105(scanner),106(admin),1000(aj)
[06:19] <JavaGeek> _aj: thx, that's what I needed
[06:19] <_aj> no problem
[06:19] <_aj> bed time for me
[06:23] <drumline> For some reason, the GUI network config is not setting the gateway.   Anyone experience that?
[06:24] <lascar> does anyone know how to install DVD in breezy?
[06:24] <lascar> *install DVD playback i mean
[06:25] <thoreauputic> !dvd
[06:26] <ubotu> dvd is probably "DVD playing is possible in ubuntu, some DVDs may require libdvdcss2, which is available on http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl   See also !libdvdcss2"
[06:26] <thoreauputic> !libdvdcss2
[06:26] <ubotu> from memory, libdvdcss2 is to enable DVD playback, read and use this local file for libdvdcss2 /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh   Don't have this file? Install "libdvdread3"
[06:43] <jhealey> hey
[06:43] <jhealey> anyone hree
[06:44] <jhealey> ibn drinkkn
[06:44] <jhealey> lo
[06:44] <jhealey> hell
[06:51] <Delvien> Vmware is a pain in the ass to get going......
[06:57] <jonathon> hello im trying to setup my wireless and its recognised by the iwconfig but for somereason it wont work
[07:00] <Knowerrors> Anybody else have problems getting gtk2-engines-gtk-qt settings to stick?
[07:01] <_aj> Knowerrors: yes
[07:01] <_aj> i always have to start a gnome app first
[07:01] <_aj> manually from konsole
[07:01] <_aj> like gnome-theme-manager
[07:02] <_aj> it always does an ugly default gtk theme
[07:02] <Knowerrors> mine is stuck on custom settings I gave it a couple weeks ago, them is set to be the same as kde, while font is set to Tahoma
[07:03] <Knowerrors> theme
[07:03] <Knowerrors> Id like to set font to be same as kde also, but won't do it
[07:04] <alistair> hi room!
[07:04] <alistair> I got kubuntu working finally.
[07:04] <alistair> anyone want to see a screenshot?
[07:04] <`nauh> lol
[07:04] <alistair>  :D
[07:05] <alistair> its exciting for me
[07:05] <alistair> ;)
[07:05] <`nauh> hehe, i just installed it this afternoon
[07:05] <`nauh> wireless is the only thing i don't have working right
[07:05] <alistair> ahh
[07:05] <alistair> want to read my blog?
[07:06] <alistair> and see my screenshot?
[07:06] <alistair> :D
[07:06] <`nauh> hehe ok
[07:06] <alistair> http://fischentwickler.blogspot.com/
[07:06] <alistair> please leave a comment- I'd really appreciate it
[07:06] <alistair> :D
[07:06] <alistair> brb
[07:06] <Knowerrors> kcontrol: WARNING: KLocale: trying to look up "" in catalog. Fix the program
[07:06] <Knowerrors> QFile::writeBlock: File not open
[07:06] <Knowerrors> _aj: I get
[07:06] <Knowerrors> that
[07:07] <Knowerrors> when I try to change gtk style/font
[07:12] <alistair> back
[07:12] <alistair> nauh: did you see my blog?
[07:13] <`nauh> yea
[07:13] <alistair> cool, did you post a comment?
[07:13] <`nauh> just a quick one
[07:13] <`nauh> so you a gnome fan?
[07:14] <alistair> I love enlightenment, but i've had problems getting it running in kubuntu
[07:15] <alistair> gnome is really nice too though
[07:16] <alistair> its clean, relatively light and fast.
[07:16] <`nauh> really? whats it do
[07:16] <`nauh> tru
[07:16] <alistair> i posted about it in my blog
[07:16] <alistair> :P
[07:16] <`nauh> i mean what makes it worth installing
[07:16] <`nauh> o
[07:16] <`nauh> i didnt see that part
[07:16] <alistair> oh, its a great window manager
[07:16] <alistair> it looks really great once you get it running
[07:17] <alistair> http://www.rasterman.com/e17/s001.jpg
[07:17] <alistair> thats a screenshot
[07:18] <alistair> http://www.rasterman.com/e17/dialogs2.png
[07:18] <alistair> and another one :)
[07:18] <`nauh> looks pretty nice
[07:18] <`nauh> lotta gold :b
[07:19] <alistair> yeah
[07:24] <alistair> alright, i'm off to bed
[07:24] <alistair> goodnite all
[07:31] <Delvien> Hey guys trying to reinstall VMWARE now and it is giving me this error.. Can anyone tell me how to fix this?  http://pastebin.com/445837
[07:34] <sproingie> Delvien: that error's about as clear as it gets.  use gcc 3.4.5, not gcc 4.0
[07:34] <sproingie> export CC=gcc-3.4
[07:34] <sproingie> then try again
[07:40] <Delvien> aye hehe been trying that ,
[07:40] <Delvien> brb
[08:35] <Sneaky_Bastard> 'scuse me, is it possible to use something else besides ARTSD  for sound on Kubuntu ?
[08:35] <crimsun> sure, you can use ALSA directly or ALSA's OSS emulation
[08:55] <Sneaky_Bastard> hello?
[08:55] <Sneaky_Bastard> anyone?
[08:56] <Sneaky_Bastard> is there a way to use something besides ARTSD for sound ?
[08:58] <aftertaf> Sneaky_Bastard:  yes, in control center, sound, you can choose alsa or threaded oss.
[09:08] <gibarian> hi everyone
[09:08] <aftertaf> hi :)
[09:09] <gibarian> uh, is anybody familiar with artsdsp/seg fault errors?
[09:09] <crimsun> depends
[09:09] <crimsun> without a backtrace, they're kinda useless
[09:09] <aftertaf> depends on error but error cannot be installed?
[09:10] <Hobbsee> hey aftertaf
[09:10] <gibarian> aftertaf: well, I'm using artsdsp -m to invoke Skype, but whenever I initiate a call, the app just quits with aforementioned seg fault...is there a log to backtrace that?
[09:15] <aftertaf> hi Hobbsee  :)
[09:15] <aftertaf> gibarian:  no idea, a dont know kde enough to say so...
[09:15] <aftertaf> I...
[09:25] <_dave> anyone able to help with dual boot issue ?
[09:26] <Hobbsee> _dave: sure, what issue?
[09:28] <_dave> hobbsee : using map (hd0) (hd1) etc (actually used this in hoary and first kernal realease of breezy but using latest it borks.
[09:28] <Hobbsee> any errors?
[09:30] <_dave> just one saying that it cannot be done ( all within grubs menu list) so it's like a grub issue, know of a way to get the system to do a dectection of other OSes ?
[09:30] <Hobbsee> reinstall grub, i guess?
[09:30] <aftertaf> initramfs reconf?
[09:30] <Hobbsee> or try lilo?
[09:31] <aftertaf> _dave:  what kernels do you have installed, and which ones feature in grub? and are you wanting to boot windows too?
[09:31] <_dave> Hobbsee rather not if possible
[09:33] <aftertaf> _dave:  what is this map (hdo) thing about????   what evrsion of ubuntu are you on?
[09:34] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: it's to make windows think it's on hda1, IIRC
[09:34] <aftertaf> i'm on dapper at home and i can autoboot ok...
[09:34] <_dave> aftertaf 3 version 2.6.10-5-386 , 2.6.12-9-386
[09:35] <aftertaf> _dave:  whoah. you're not uptodate on your kernel then ;)
[09:35] <aftertaf> _dave:  you can remove all but the lastest -386 kernel... and i recommend you install the linux kernel package for your processor too.... -k7 or -686
[09:36] <_dave> aftertaf dam looking at an old copy of menu.lst also have 2.6.12-10-386
[09:38] <aftertaf> ok. lol;
[09:38] <aftertaf> _dave:  whats your processor?
[09:39] <_dave> aftertaf setup is root (hd1,0) <NL> map (hd0) (hd1) <NL> map (hd1) map (hd0) <NL> makeactive <NL> chainloader +1
[09:39] <aftertaf> _dave:  double use of installing the kernel for your proc.... 1: optimised kernel, 2. we'll see what grub autoconf says when it installs it...
[09:39] <_dave> aftertaf amd k6
[09:40] <Hobbsee> _dave: sudo fdisk -l <-- paste the output to pastebin
[09:40] <Hobbsee> that could well make things easier
[09:40] <Hobbsee> also pasting your /boot/grub/menu.lst to pastebin
[09:41] <aftertaf> ok.... _dave do what Hobbsee said... and also install linux-k7 package. in synaptic if possible, that way you can untick the 'close this window' thing  and see what the postinstall says.
[09:48] <_dave> Hobbsee errr where is the pastebin ? i'm using konversation ?
[09:48] <Hobbsee> !pastebin
[09:48] <ubotu> pastebin is, like, totally, a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl or at http://ubuntu.pastebin.com
[09:48] <Hobbsee> also see /topic
[09:50] <_dave> ubotu thanks, don't use online chat much :)
[09:50] <ubotu> _dave: sure thing
[09:52] <_dave> aftertaf see http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/445921
[09:53] <rraajj> Anyone who has a fix for the artsd problem in 3.5 final?
[09:53] <Hobbsee> _dave: and your /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[09:55] <_dave> hobbsee http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/445924 - menu.lst (sorry forgot).
[09:57] <Hobbsee> _dave: so the error says that it cant be done...
[09:58] <Hobbsee> !dualboot
[09:58] <ubotu> I guess dualboot is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo
[09:58] <Hobbsee> :) - useful link that
[09:58] <Hobbsee> mmm...doesnt have what i was looking for
[09:59] <_dave> Well Grub borks i just copied the text from an old menu.lst to the new one that was generated after the latest kernal was installed via adept
[10:00] <aftertaf> _dave:  try dpkg-reconfigure grub....
[10:00] <gibarian> Has anyone here successfuly installed Skype in Kde?
[10:00] <Hobbsee> _dave: ah, try "grub-update" if the other one doesnt work
[10:00] <aftertaf> _dave:  then after we'll try to get your windows on there
[10:00] <aftertaf> !skype
[10:00] <ubotu> it has been said that skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi aftertaf
[10:01] <aftertaf> hehe hi on another chan
[10:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[10:01] <gibarian> well thank you bot
[10:01] <_dave> aftertaf & Hobbsee I'll try those options out many thanks for info, dave
[10:02] <Hobbsee> no problems
[10:05] <CarstenP> Hi! How to install Firefox 1.5 ?
[10:06] <aftertaf> apt-get update :)
[10:09] <CarstenP> aftertaf: Really?
[10:10] <Hobbsee> !firefox1.5
[10:10] <ubotu> hmm... firefox1.5 is unsupported in breezy but if you would like to install (at your own risk) Firefox 1.5 from mozilla.org see the wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[10:10] <Hobbsee> is another way - but i didnt know it was in repos....
[10:11] <aftertaf> CarstenP:  ahh ok. it is in repos, but maybe only for dapper.
[10:11] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: you like the new system settings in the kmenu?
[10:11] <crimsun> no, only 1.5 rc3 is in Dapper
[10:13] <aftertaf> Hobbsee:  i havent got 3.5 fully yet, cos upgrade removes 3/4 of kde right now
[10:13] <Hobbsee> :(
[10:13] <Hobbsee> worked here, i think
[10:14] <Hobbsee> as in, didnt seem to remove kde when i tried this morning
[10:14] <aftertaf> dapper?
[10:16] <Hobbsee> yes
[10:16] <aftertaf> odd
[10:16] <drumline> does ubuntu have access control lists
[10:16] <Hobbsee> not positive it did get upgraded to 3.5, but it seemed to upgrade a lot of it
[10:17] <ninHer> hi all
[10:19] <drumline> cool..thx
[10:40] <tools> Anybody here could give me a pointer how to disable auto features ( like opening cd in konqueror en kscd ) when inserting an audio CD?
[10:42] <Emess> bahaha, i was talking to some one and mention wget, the guys comment: "how can you typo get to wget? moron"
[10:42] <Emess> and with that i go
[10:49] <Hobbsee> tools: kcontrol, kde components
[10:49] <Hobbsee> somewher
[10:49] <Hobbsee> e
[10:50] <tools> thx, I'll have a look. I also found something about ivman. I googled quite a while yesterday, but it didn't occur to me to use a "windows" term like autorun in my queries. Silly me
[10:52] <Hobbsee> tools: also, select a file of the file type that you want to assign in konq, open with, type program name, and tick the box that says "always open with this program"
[10:52] <Hobbsee> maybe not exactly what you're looking for, but still useful
[10:52] <Tm_T> tools: if you use KDE 3.5, remove ivman and install am-utils
[10:53] <tools> TM_T: That sounds really usefull ( since I'm using 3.5 ). I'll have a look.
[10:54] <Tm_T> ivmanjust mounts without prompting, KDE's automounting system (using am-utils) ask what to do
[11:16] <Tuxiscool> Hi, whenever I try to set up my apt sources, I always get errors such as these: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/zBrAUm21.html Anyone know what I can do?
[11:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> Tuxiscool: does it come and go?
[11:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> or is it always likethat?
[11:19] <Tuxiscool> Always.
[11:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> looks like something wrong with the server
[11:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> at a glance
[11:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> try the au archives and see if it's better
[11:20] <Tuxiscool> Alright.
[11:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> mind you, they have a habit of not being perfect, but still
[11:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> :%s/nz/au
[11:20] <Tuxiscool> Yup.
[11:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[11:21] <Tuxiscool> Much nicer.
[11:21] <Tuxiscool> It's actually working, whee.
[11:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[11:22] <Tuxiscool> For a start, I've had a pretty bad experience with Kubuntu.
[11:22] <Tuxiscool> 1) My laptop has died while installing it.
[11:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> the repositories are ubuntu thing, not Kubuntu
[11:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[11:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> my desktop died installing xp, so now I'm only ubuntu ;)
[11:23] <Tuxiscool> lol
[11:23] <_mythos> never had a problem with centrino + ati laptops
[11:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> well i lost a mobo, vid card, 3 months waiting on warrenty
[11:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> and almost lost my hdd
[11:24] <Tuxiscool> Kamping_Kaiser: I think it was just the laptop hdd, when I go to partition it there is nothing available to partition.
[11:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> :|
[11:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> does anything else se the hdd?
[11:25] <Tuxiscool> Doesn't boot, heh.
[11:25] <Tuxiscool> Nothing could even try.
[11:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> DBaN?
[11:27] <Tuxiscool> DBaN?
[11:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> dariks boot and nuke
[11:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's 1.5m floppy/iso image
[11:29] <Tuxiscool> Wow, uncommenting all those lines really makes that package list expand 8)
[11:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[11:30] <Tuxiscool> 17294 packages, heh, don't think I'll be installing that many.
[11:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[11:31] <Tuxiscool> Next thing on the agenda, sound is borked.
[11:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> :S
[11:32] <Tuxiscool> In the services manager, even when I try to start alsa, or alsa-utils, it continues to say 'Not Running'
[11:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> Kubuntu uses esd
[11:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> IIRC
[11:33] <Tuxiscool> Huh? It should support any..
[11:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, well i think it does esd primarily
[11:36] <Tuxiscool> Odd.
[11:41] <gibarian> well, I'm back once again...I guess this is more of a hardware question, but...could it be possible that I can only have EITHER headphones OR speakers plugged into my computer?
[11:42] <Tuxiscool> I guess it would be sensible for the speakers to stop after you plug headphones into them (assuming the headphone jack is in the speaker).
[11:43] <gibarian> tuxiscool: nope, I plugged my headset into the back of my (four year old) computer....in order to get any sound into my headphone, I had to replug, so that now my external speakers are jacked into the line in
[11:44] <Tuxiscool> ...line in? You're going to speak through the speaker?
[11:44] <gibarian> Tuxiscool: well, nope...it was the only other free jack ;)
[11:45] <gibarian> alright, I'm beginning to see my faulty reasoning here...
[11:45] <Tuxiscool> lol
[11:48] <dipnlik> can I use the camera:/ protocol in kubuntu? here I get a USB PTP Class Camera but get an error when opening this folder...
[11:51] <Tuxiscool> How can I put a user in the 'sudoers file'?
[11:51] <Tuxiscool> Erm, rephrase, where is the sudoers file?
[11:52] <uniq>  /etc/sudoers. uyse the 'visudo' command.
[11:53] <Tuxiscool> Thanks.
[12:08] <os2mac> ok I am mildly concerned... that I haven't gotten any updates in a while.....
[12:13] <szu> hi gyts
[12:13] <szu> *guys
[12:13] <szu> is it normal for amaroK to take 70-80% CPU?? [athlon 2500+]
[12:14] <sampan> szu, mine has never gone that high but on SOME mp3s it runs 16-30% ... on others, it's 2-4% ... very odd
[12:15] <szu> I'm curious, I switched to KDE yesterday
[12:15] <szu> and amarok doesn't go below 20%
[12:16] <szu> I use xine -> alsa
[12:16] <szu> might xine be the reason?
[12:16] <sampan> i'm gstreamer --> artsd (mainly b/c i'm too newb to dare messing with sound stuff)
[12:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> szu: your usage is very high
[12:17] <szu> I switched to gstreamer -> alsa and it still 25%
[12:17] <sampan> have you tried playing mp3s in other apps?  what's the cpu usage for them?  xmms/beep give me sub 3% constantly with all my mp3s -- it's just amarok that's funky with some
[12:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> that sounds wrong to me (but i don't use it)
[12:17] <szu> well I was using GNOME with bmp/bmpx and it never when over 0%
[12:17] <szu> ;-)
[12:18] <szu> *went
[12:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> need to get around to that :|
[12:18] <sampan> :/  well i'm glad it's not just me having weirdly high amarok cpu
[12:19] <szu> not it's again 40% and it is playing exactly the same song
[12:19] <szu> it's cool app, but I won't be using mp3 player taking half of my horse power
[12:19] <sampan> lol indeed
[12:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> szu: is the mp3 vbr? or some other funky thing?
[12:20] <szu> are there known features in amarok that are power hungry?
[12:20] <szu> right now it's playing mp3, 112kbps, cbr
[12:20] <szu> but it shouldn't matter what it's playing as it's xine's work not amarok's
[12:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> well, that snothing special :\
[12:21] <szu> and certainly xine isn't the problem because it doesn't take so much cpu power with other xine based players
[12:21] <szu> I noticed it when I installed karamba cpu monitor, I thought it was broken showing 80% all the time
[12:23] <szu> it was fed up with gnome, but kde isn't all that great either :/
[12:23] <szu> not amarok works at 2%, second later 30%..
[12:23] <szu> maybe it's doing something extra in the background?
[12:24] <chakie_work> szu: any visualizations  on?
[12:24] <chakie_work> szu: i always turn off the funky stuff at the bottom of the window. at least it doesn't have to be at 100 fps
[12:25] <sampan> i tried turning the peak meter thing off at the bottom -- had exactly zero effect on cpu usage -- but then again, it only happens on -some- songs for me
[12:27] <chakie_work> maybe it is refreshing the mp3 collection?
[12:27] <chakie_work> that means going through a lot of id3 tags
[12:27] <chakie_work> also try askin in #amarok, maybe the nice people there have any hints
[12:29] <sampan> i turned off the auto-scanning of the collection too ... it really seems tied to specific files for me --runs 3% on some, and then 10-30% on others
[12:29] <szu> [sorry I was on the phone]
[12:30] <andreas_> ic
[12:30] <szu> I turned off visualisation and it has no impact
[12:31] <sampan> if i slide my mouse over amarok on problem songs, it's constantly going in and out of the "waiting" cursor (the one with the embedded circle and the rotating dots on a dial like) -- so strange
[12:31] <szu> yeah, I notice it too
[12:34] <szu> it also doesn't matter whether I use stereo, surround or pass-thorough output
[12:38] <sampan> heh, i just tried connecting to a stream -- whew 98% cpu
[12:40] <szu> no response at #amarok :/
[12:41] <szu> ok, i'm heading to university
[12:41] <szu> cu guys
[12:43] <granbar> Hey. Which java should I use?
[12:43] <granbar> I'm having trouble using GCJ
[12:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> try the one in multiverse, but it depends what's wrong
[12:43] <granbar> It doesn't support templates in for instance ArrayList and Map
[12:44] <granbar> Is that problem familiar, Kamping_Kaiser?
[12:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure of the exact problem, but gcj is only a subset of sun java
[12:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> so grab java out of mutliverse
[12:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> itsa bout 22m
[12:45] <burepe> I am trying to unmount a drive and it says device busy. What should I do?
[12:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> burepe: check you don't have any Windows open withteh device
[12:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> or files open
[12:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> then worry again :)
[12:47] <raphink> while(windows.state == open) { worry("a lot"); }
[12:48] <burepe> Kamping_Kaiser, I don't
[12:48] <burepe> the drive already has  a bunch of fsk0000.ren files on it so I have to reformat. maybe it is related to that
[12:49] <granbar> Kamping_Kaiser: I'm downloading the official version from sun.com now...
[12:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> burepe: open up konsole, and run `lsof |grep devicename`
[12:51] <burepe> it just let me reformat it. I was trying to delete the partition and then reformat, but I was just able to reformat it. so it seems ok
[12:51] <burepe> Actually I think there is something wrong with the mount. would you mind walking me through the set up?
[12:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> granbar: ok, but you will have to check the wiki for instructions to install
[12:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> burepe: i can try, but I'm trying to learn something myself ;)
[12:52] <burepe> ok thanks though
[12:52] <granbar> Okay. Thanks, Kamping_Kaiser
[12:52] <burepe> i tried that command and it just retrurned
[12:52] <burepe> so looks ok
[12:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> np granbar
[12:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell granbar about java
[12:57] <granbar> Kamping_Kaiser: Sorry to bother you again, but there is no package candidate called j2re1.4
[12:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> in apt?
[12:57] <granbar> Yes.
[12:58] <granbar> I've enabled both universe and multiverse
[12:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'll just check
[12:58] <Hobbsee> !info j2re1.4
[12:58] <ubotu> j2re1.4: (Blackdown Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition), section multiverse/devel, is optional. Version: <IP_ADDRESS>-1ubuntu3 (breezy), Packaged size: 21982 kB, Installed size: 58892 kB
[12:58] <Hobbsee> yes there is....
[12:59] <granbar> But it's no installable
[12:59] <Hobbsee> ah ok...
[12:59] <Hobbsee> !javadeb
[12:59] <ubotu> from memory, javadeb is Sun Java debs packaged for breezy are at http://www.giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[01:00] <granbar> So I should add that to my sourcces?
[01:01] <Hobbsee> granbar: nah, just get the deb of j2re1.5 from there, save it to your /home/user and sudo dpkg -i packagename<tab>
[01:02] <granbar> Okay. Thanks. I'll try that, Hobbsee
[01:02] <Hobbsee> granbar: you want http://www.giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update04_i386.deb
[01:02] <Hobbsee> that exact file :P
[01:02] <granbar> Downloading it now :)
[01:02] <granbar> I'll check back in 30 minutes :)
[01:02] <Hobbsee> then in the console, sudo dpkg -i sun<tab>
[01:03] <Hobbsee> lol
[01:03] <Hobbsee> dialup?
[01:03] <granbar> No. I'm on a shared line, and my neighbour is downloading porr
[01:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[01:03] <granbar> Damn those dwarves
[01:03] <Hobbsee> ugh lol
[01:05] <aftertaf> oh well, dapper has removed my K
[01:05] <dipnlik> is it possible to force konqueror to use a specific font for browsing? Arial is ugly, if only I could make everything into Deja Vu Sans COndensed...
[01:06] <aftertaf> ill just not reboot until april ;)
[01:07] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: removed your k?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> dipnlik: i'd say you can...it'll be under configure in konq
[01:07] <Hobbsee> dipnlik: yeah, appearance tab
[01:09] <dipnlik> Hobbsee: that setting only works on sites that didn't setup a default font
[01:10] <dipnlik> Hobbsee: try www.flickr.com for example
[01:10] <aftertaf> yep :/
[01:10] <Hobbsee> *sigh* - that makes more sense, but looks worse!
[01:11] <Hobbsee> dipnlik: you cant set for all sites to use it?
[01:11] <dipnlik> Hobbsee: don't think so :(
[01:11] <Hobbsee> that's a pain...
[01:11] <dipnlik> Hobbsee: maybe it can be don with user stylesheets, but not sure
[01:12] <aftertaf> itll come back one day
[01:13] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: as in, your kdm, or you kmenu?
[01:15] <aftertaf> as in K
[01:15] <aftertaf> kde
[01:16] <brosio> kubuntu breazy has kde 3.5 or kde3.4.3?
[01:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> 43
[01:16] <brosio> a release with 3.5 when will be done ?
[01:18] <aftertaf> Hobbsee:  it removed like all the kde packages apart from 2 :)
[01:18] <aftertaf> i'm now on e17buntu
[01:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. i want to reliease mIbuntu
[01:21] <viviersf> why doesnt qtparted resize ext3
[01:21] <viviersf> but it does resize ext2 ?
[01:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> it does
[01:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> well, should
[01:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> just not a mounted partition
[01:22] <djk_> why isn't azureus in the repos?
[01:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's probably not free enough
[01:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> but i don't know
[01:23] <djk_> well it was free enough with hoary
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. then maybe no one has packagedit
[01:24] <djk_> probably, but for some reason that seems rather odd..
[01:24] <viviersf> Kamping_Kaiser, im telling you it doesnt want to
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> djk_: *shrug*
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> viviersf: ok.
[01:25] <viviersf> it needs a library
[01:25] <viviersf> or sumthing
[01:26] <djk_> viviersf: like i told you this morning, about 11ish hours ago, you need ext2resize
[01:27] <viviersf> djk_, i do have it installed
[01:27] <viviersf> or wait
[01:27] <viviersf> wth
[01:28] <djk_> qtparted just uses other programs to manipulate partitions
[01:28] <Hobbsee> aftertaf: :(
[01:29] <djk_> aftertaf?
[01:29] <djk_> eh..time for a nap.. i thought that was a word :(
[01:30] <Hobbsee> djk_: lol - no, aftertaf is a person
[01:34] <aftertaf> hehe
[01:35] <aftertaf> who is currently kicking ass on armagetron :)
[01:36] <aftertaf> yeah :)
[01:37] <Hobbsee> ooh fun
[01:54] <csalsb> can someone help on boot issues
[01:55] <propagandhi> !sources
[01:55] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[01:59] <burepe> I have a drive that has a bunch of fsk0000.ren files (i guess which means the drive is messed), so I reformated, now I want to unmount and remount. But I get device busy errors. I have no open files or windows. Any suggestions?
[02:00] <chakie_work> you formatted a mounted drive?
[02:02] <burepe> yeah
[02:02] <manveru> u oh...
[02:03] <djk_> a simple rm -rf /foo would have been smarter..
[02:03] <manveru> there was no warning about DO NOT FORMAT WHILE THE DRIVE IS MOUNTED?
[02:03] <burepe> no
[02:03] <manveru> printed in much larger letters across the screen, preferabilly in red radiating color?
[02:04] <propagandhi> !restricted
[02:04] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats. Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[02:04] <manveru> !FreeFormats
[02:04] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, freeformats is There are a large number of Free Formats which are preferred over patent and copyright encumbered formats. They are listed here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeFormats
[02:04] <manveru> nevers saw that page...
[02:09] <burepe> What should I do about this harddrive?
[02:10] <manveru> uhm... well...
[02:10] <manveru> i'm sure a low-level-format will help...
[02:10] <burepe> what does that mean?
[02:10] <chakie_work> if it seems to be broken, don't use it
[02:11] <burepe> I  want to fix it
[02:11] <burepe> there is nothing on it
[02:11] <burepe> Should I throw it away?
[02:11] <manveru> what filesystem was it before?
[02:11] <burepe> fat32
[02:11] <burepe> and it was messed
[02:11] <manveru> hmm...
[02:11] <burepe> I had fsk0000.ren files
[02:11] <burepe> on all of it
[02:12] <manveru> yeah, they are generated from the windows chkdisk if i remember right...
[02:12] <R0bNyc> how can i get kde 3.5 upgrade from kde 3.4
[02:12] <burepe> they where generated when I shut down the computer
[02:13] <manveru> not sure, but maybe a fsck might help
[02:13] <burepe> file locations were all wrong
[02:13] <burepe> what does that mean?
[02:13] <manveru> boot your kubuntu in recovery-mode
[02:13] <burepe> that is what I am chatting on now
[02:13] <manveru> and run 'fsck /dev/hdaX'
[02:14] <burepe> ok
[02:14] <manveru> whatever the partition of the windows was
[02:14] <manveru> or fat32 if no win was on it...
[02:15] <manveru> since there is a fsck.vfat i guess it can repair it...
[02:15] <kkathman> R0bNyc: try waiting a few days and then getting it from the standard breezy repos :)
[02:15] <R0bNyc> kkathman, thanks
[02:16] <R0bNyc> i wanted to try it now but ok
[02:16] <kkathman> np
[02:16] <kkathman> R0bNyc: there are still a few things being worked out, that will assure a better, cleaner install
[02:16] <R0bNyc> okie-dokie :)
[02:17] <burepe2> ok
[02:17] <burepe2> here I am on another comp
[02:18] <burepe2> restat in safe mode a go.
[02:19] <R0bNyc> do u guys think kubuntu is faster than ubuntu
[02:19] <burepe2> no
[02:19] <burepe2> the other way around
[02:19] <burepe2> I think
[02:20] <kkathman> R0bNyc: performance is many times hardware specific
[02:20] <burepe2> Can I just restart the session in safe mode or do I have to restart the whole computer?
[02:20] <R0bNyc> true
[02:20] <kkathman> R0bNyc: with equal hardware, and configuration I'd say they are about the same
[02:20] <R0bNyc> i noticed here on my slow pc 635mhz 256mb kubuntu seems better
[02:21] <burepe2> manveru: do I have to restart the whole comp or just the session in safemode?
[02:21] <kkathman> R0bNyc: that may well be. On slower performing systems, you might even look at Xubuntu (xfce)
[02:21] <burepe2> how do you say that
[02:21] <burepe2> ?
[02:22] <R0bNyc> kkathman, true
[02:22] <manveru> burepe2, you restart the computer in safe-mode
[02:22] <manveru> burepe2, or recovery... whatever it's called
[02:22] <manveru> thought you did that
[02:22] <manveru> R0bNyc, e17 beats them both :)
[02:22] <burepe2> are safemode and failsafe the samething
[02:22] <burepe2> ?
[02:23] <kkathman> R0bNyc: I have a similar machine  here in my office (not the only I am normally on) but a file server that I use xubuntu on and its very performant with only 128mb memory
[02:23] <burepe2> I started to but
[02:23] <djk_> manveru: why all that trouble, can't he just simply put the install cd in, go to the partitioner, kill the partition, and recreate it
[02:23] <manveru> no
[02:23] <burepe2> I am not sure how exactly
[02:23] <manveru> djk_, din't think of that - normally i take my grml and fix it
[02:23] <burepe2> ok
[02:23] <burepe2> cd?
[02:23] <manveru> burepe2, do like djk says
[02:24] <manveru> your kubuntu-cd
[02:24] <R0bNyc> kkathman, sometimes this pc says its only usign 128mb and i can see the perfomance dropped so bad in kubuntu or ubuntu
[02:24] <manveru> djk_, but i guess the partitioner doesn't do fat32...
[02:24] <djk_> manveru: yes it does
[02:24] <manveru> really? - good to know
[02:25] <manveru> haven't had that for years now - so i'm not up2date
[02:25] <kkathman> R0bNyc: well, of course, an intensive GUI front end will challenge a slower processor and older machine. Typically the best way to combat it, and most cost effective, is to get more memory
[02:25] <djk_> manveru: besides, he just needs to kill the partition. he could do that with the win-cd (or any other OS cd with a partitioner) as well
[02:25] <kkathman> R0bNyc: the older the machine, the more memory is desired for linux as a rule of thumb
[02:26] <manveru> djk_, of course...
[02:26] <R0bNyc> oh
[02:26] <kkathman> unless you just decide to run at CLI
[02:26] <manveru> kkathman, you can use wmii or eon3 or e16/17 as well... they don't eat anything considerable
[02:27] <kkathman> true manveru :)
[02:27] <manveru> i've had an old 150mhz and used e16/OOo on it :)
[02:27] <djk_> which OOo?
[02:28] <kkathman> although, e16/17 is quite a bit harder to configure for the novice
[02:28] <manveru> what was actual a year ago?
[02:28] <kkathman> but its a nice facelift :)
[02:28] <djk_> 1.something?
[02:28] <manveru> djk_, it still is 1.9 - might have been 1.3 or something
[02:28] <manveru> kkathman, yeah - indeed
[02:29] <djk_> manveru: well, yes, i meant the public release number ;)
[02:29] <manveru> kkathman, one thing why i prefer e17 now over kde is that it has no kicker
[02:30] <R0bNyc> kkathman, whats this then http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[02:30] <manveru> kkathman, you can place your stuff everywhere you want, and everything is really integrated in the desktop
[02:31] <djk_> manveru: got some screenshots of e17?
[02:31] <kkathman> manveru: I use a split kicker, very minimal and then use ksmoothdock
[02:31] <kkathman> at one point I wasnt using a kicker at all with KDE
[02:31] <manveru> djk_, www.get-e.org or nixel.manveru.net for mine
[02:32] <djk_> manveru: thanks, wasn't sure if get-e is the correct address after the google search.
[02:32] <manveru> djk_, hehe :)
[02:32] <burepe2> Ok, I gotta burn a new cd, but in the meantime, can you tell me about this? Here's the story, I got a fat32 hard drive in my kubuntu that is shared with a windows comp. I chose fat32 so they could both wite to it. Then one day I got all these fsk00000.ren files on the drive, so I am reformating it. So my questions are, is there another file system that both windows and linux can write to instead of fat32? And since the harddrive that I am fix
[02:33] <kkathman> manveru: what i do is use ksmoothdock as my primary interface, which hides itself when not in use. Then I strip kicker to 2 applets - trash and clock on the right side at 11%, and a second panel on the left to hold my desktop shortcut and tray (12%) which auto-hides also
[02:34] <manveru> kkathman, i had my icons and stuff on top - kpager2 in the middle down - the trash, clock and tray on the lower right... everything for autohide
[02:35] <manveru> but it still didn't cut the edge...
[02:36] <kkathman> manveru: I have a couple of SK applets too...performance and weather
[02:36] <kkathman> but I use kvirc, which has a transparent mode, which is quite attractive
[02:36] <MenZa`> !kde3.5
[02:36] <ubotu> I heard kde3.5 is http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[02:36] <MenZa`> :O
[02:36] <MenZa`> :D
[02:36] <manveru> oh, superkaramba makes my computer cry...
[02:37] <kkathman> manveru: really?  I tend to idle at about 4% with 2 SK themes running and 7 desktop apps
[02:37] <djk_> burepe2: no, there isn't. writing to ntfs is still experimental in linux.
[02:37] <manveru> my hardware is at least 2 years old... so i don't have to spend much money on it
[02:37] <manveru> and it's a rule-of-thumb for linux - the older the hardware, the better it's supported
[02:38] <burepe2> I heard there was a plug in  for windows to write to ext3. is that true?
[02:38] <BigKahuna> !ivtv
[02:38] <ubotu> BigKahuna: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[02:38] <aftertaf> well i have had Kde removed surgically by a certain duck :)
[02:38] <MenZa`> hm
[02:38] <manveru> burepe2, yeah, there is
[02:38] <kkathman> manveru: I understand that!  I built this one from scratch, for around $325...sempron, 1 gb and a 100gb drive. Im adding a 320gb drive this weekend
[02:38] <aftertaf> burepe2:  yes it is.... explore2fs and frineds google ;)
[02:38] <BigKahuna> Anybody have a hauppauge TV tuner card working with Kubuntu?
[02:38] <MenZa`> I did the first two commands (wget and apt-key) on the KDE 3.5 thingy - what now? apt-get install kde ?
[02:38] <MenZa`> (sudo apt-get install kde)
[02:38] <djk_> manveru: but he can't install win on it can he?
[02:38] <burepe2> How can I find that? manveru
[02:38] <aftertaf> MenZa`:  you have dke already, dist-upgrade!!
[02:39] <djk_> burepe2: google might be a start
[02:39] <manveru> djk_, uh... on?
[02:39] <kkathman> MenZa`: follow the instructions on kde.org
[02:39] <manveru> djk_, ext3?
[02:39] <djk_> manveru: ext3
[02:39] <djk_> manveru: yes
[02:39] <kkathman> MenZa`: but you might run into problems
[02:39] <aftertaf> MenZa`:  install kubuntu-desktop then dist upgrade
[02:39] <manveru> of course not
[02:39] <kkathman> hey aftertaf :)
[02:39] <aftertaf> hey kkathman  :)
[02:39] <manveru> that would be blasphemic for microsoft
[02:39] <aftertaf> it is.. cos it exists.
[02:40] <MenZa`> dist upgrade - how :o?
[02:40] <burepe2> djk_: I don't really know what I am looking for. a name something would be good
[02:40] <manveru> burepe2, wait a second
[02:40] <aftertaf> MenZa`:  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get -f install && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:40] <aftertaf> burepe2:  explore2fs
[02:41] <djk_> burepe2: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm
[02:41] <aftertaf> http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ext2ifs.htm
[02:41] <burepe2> thanks
[02:41] <MenZa`> aftertaf: I'm not getting any,
[02:41] <djk_> MenZa`: neither am i :(
[02:41] <MenZa`> update gives a lot of output
[02:42] <MenZa`> lol djk_
[02:42] <MenZa`> whilst the others just tell me that "0 uninstalled 0 upgraded" etc.
[02:42] <aftertaf> loool djk_
[02:42] <Dark_Sith> hello peeps
[02:42] <MenZa`> lo Dark_Sith
[02:42] <aftertaf> MenZa`:  installed kubuntu-desktop?
[02:42] <MenZa`> I did that a few days ago :S
[02:42] <MenZa`> and I just did now
[02:42] <Dark_Sith> what's up MenZa?
[02:42] <aftertaf> and dist-upgrade does nuthin?
[02:43] <MenZa`> exactly, aftertaf
[02:43] <MenZa`> Dark_Sith: trying to install kde 3.6
[02:43] <MenZa`> 3.5*
[02:43] <manveru> http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ext2ifs.htm
[02:43] <aftertaf> MenZa`:  then pastebin your sources.list
[02:43] <manveru> fskn
[02:43] <manveru> too late :)
[02:43] <Dark_Sith> :-) busy then
[02:43] <MenZa`> aftertaf: awesome, gotta link me to that later :D
[02:43] <aftertaf> lol Dark_Sith
[02:43] <aftertaf> MenZa`:  wazzat?
[02:44] <MenZa`> that's /dev/sources.lst rite?
[02:44] <djk_> MenZa`: /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:44] <aftertaf> MenZa`:  wong
[02:44] <aftertaf>  :)
[02:45] <aftertaf> MenZa`:  either that our kde3.5is installed ;)
[02:45] <burepe2> djk_: That looks just like a viewer. it says nothing about writing
[02:45] <MenZa`> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5302
[02:45] <MenZa`> aftertaf: I just checked :P
[02:45] <MenZa`> KDE 3.4
[02:45] <manveru> aftertaf, huh?
[02:45] <MenZa`> lol
[02:45] <MenZa`> edu buntu methinks?
[02:45] <MenZa`> edubuntu*
[02:45] <aftertaf> MenZa`:  you need to change your sources.list
[02:45] <burepe2> djk_: also, that lets you see the files but can you actually read them with that?
[02:45] <MenZa`> uh oh
[02:46] <MenZa`> well I'm in nano - what do I change :S?
[02:46] <Dark_Sith> how can i see if kubuntu found my dial-in modem?
[02:46] <aftertaf> MenZa`:           deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main
[02:46] <aftertaf> MenZa`:  and comment out your crdom line too.
[02:47] <MenZa`> aftertaf: do I just add that deb :S?
[02:47] <aftertaf> MenZa`:  yup ;)   and remove the cdrom one
[02:47] <MenZa`> why remove the cdrom one :O!
[02:47] <djk_> burepe2: i didn't suggest that prog, i just looked for the link, but yes, reading (ext3) it does, apparently writing (ext3) it does not.
[02:47] <aftertaf> Dark_Sith:  good Qu. dunno at all ..; :/
[02:47] <burepe2> djk_: thanks
[02:47] <MenZa`> ah right
[02:47] <aftertaf> and google you should.
[02:47] <djk_> MenZa`: so it'll look for the progs online instead of old ones which are on the cd.
[02:47] <MenZa`> ah, good
[02:47] <aftertaf> MenZa`:  cos cd is not updated like website ;)
[02:47] <MenZa`> does it matter where I put that line in?
[02:47] <djk_> no
[02:48] <manveru> burepe2, http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/index.htm
[02:48] <djk_> just the right file ;) and save it, and sudo apt-get update
[02:48] <burepe2> MenZa`: djk_ So I am just formating the drive with the cd? do I have to do anything else first or after (with the cd)?
[02:48] <MenZa`> uh, where's my cdrom drive then :S?
[02:49] <MenZa`> ah
[02:49] <MenZa`> at the top
[02:49] <manveru> burepe2, http://www.fs-driver.org/
[02:50] <MenZa`> what's the key command to save again :S?
[02:50] <MenZa`> ^S?
[02:50] <manveru> ^O
[02:50] <manveru> they all are written on the bottom of nano...
[02:50] <MenZa`> permission denied
[02:50] <manveru> you need to use it with sudo
[02:50] <aftertaf> MenZa`:  do it with sudo
[02:50] <MenZa`> how do I sudo from nano?
[02:50] <MenZa`> :O
[02:51] <aftertaf> MenZa`:  you sudo nano from prompt
[02:51] <aftertaf> !lart MenZa`
[02:51] <MenZa`> oh lol
[02:51] <djk_> burepe2: yes, you're just deleting that partition and recreating it. and no you don't really have to do anything else.
[02:51] <aftertaf> :)
[02:51] <burepe2> djk_: cool
[02:51] <djk_> burepe2: but keep the cd, after you've installed windows again you will need the cd again to reinstall grub
[02:51] <MenZa`> ack!
[02:52] <burepe2> there is no windows
[02:52] <djk_> brb
[02:53] <kkathman> MenZa`: are you sure you want to go to kde3.5?? lol
[02:53] <MenZa`> wrote :)
[02:53] <MenZa`> kkathman: heh
[02:53] <kkathman> seriously
[02:54] <kkathman> MenZa`: I have a feeling we will see you in here alot in the near future :)
[02:54] <MenZa`> kkathman: I've been here a lot before :\
[02:55] <djk_> burepe2: is there a fat32?
[02:55] <kkathman> MenZa`: theres really no reason to upgrade .. there arent that many changes and the rest of the KDE apps arent even synched with it
[02:55] <MenZa`> kkathman: I'm updating now :S
[02:55] <MenZa`> but wel
[02:55] <MenZa`> I only did apt-get update
[02:55] <kkathman> good luck
[02:55] <MenZa`> too late to turn back?
[02:55] <MenZa`> :D
[02:55] <kkathman> I hope you are one of the few that experiences few problems :)
[02:55] <MenZa`> it's not too late to turn back, is it :\?
[02:56] <djk_> MenZa`: no, you just updated the apt-list... you didn't actually update any programs yet
[02:56] <MenZa`> good :p
[02:56] <MenZa`> just updating kopete then
[02:57] <MenZa`> :p
[02:57] <kkathman> The developers are synching everything up and intend to put the whole thing in the standard repositories soon. But, KDE 3.5 really wont be official for Breezy
[02:57] <kkathman> it will be for Dapper tho
[02:57] <kkathman> and even then, its a transition until KDE 4 comes out
[02:57] <djk_> what's the deadline on kde4?
[02:57] <kkathman> next year
[02:57] <djk_> well yes
[02:57] <djk_> but that's vague...
[02:58] <kkathman> I'm thinking sometime between say March and June or so..but thats just a guess...you can probably get details on kde.org
[02:59] <djk_> march/june would be nice :)
[02:59] <kkathman> yah
[02:59] <kkathman> could be later tho
[02:59] <kkathman> 3.5 was a little late
[02:59] <kkathman> and it wasnt completely done
[03:00] <djk_> i always wonder how they keep coding..there must be an end to their to-do-list...
[03:00] <kkathman> prolly not..just an end to what goes in what release :)
[03:01] <djk_> just seems like they don't really know where they are going with it sometimes.
[03:02] <kkathman> I think they have a vision, but it changes (as these things do of course)..the trick is to incorporate new things into the overall vision
[03:02] <kkathman> thats tricky
[03:03] <djk_> for example they removed the magnifying-when-hovering-with-your-mouse-over-an-icon which was in i think 3.2 or so because it was buggy and bla, but apparently want to bring it back into it in 4 (which is why i hope 4 will be released soon:) )
[03:03] <kkathman> and its not like a real software development company either...the effort is fragmented and not "full time" if you will :)
[03:03] <kkathman> so on the whole, they do a pretty good job to output a quality product
[03:04] <burepe2> djk_: I did it and the drive is unmounted. I need to edit fstab. I think it was done in correctly and that was what caused all the .ren files in the first place. The line I have now is /dev/hdb1       /media/120baby auto defaults,umask=000   0     2
[03:04] <manveru> hehe, nice name :)
[03:04] <djk_> baby hehe
[03:04] <burepe2> thanks
[03:05] <djk_> burepe2: i thought you're going to reinstall windows? or not?
[03:05] <burepe2> there is no windows
[03:05] <djk_> that's good.
[03:05] <burepe2> the windows is another comp
[03:05] <MenZa`> what do you guys use, firefox, konq or other browser?
[03:05] <burepe2> this is a shared drive in the linux machine
[03:05] <djk_> ah.
[03:05] <burepe2> firefox!
[03:06] <djk_> MenZa`: Opera - it's pure love :)
[03:06] <manveru> MenZa`, firefox&&konqueror&&dillo&&w3m...
[03:06] <MenZa`> firefox owns all imo
[03:06] <manveru> depends on what i need...
[03:06] <MenZa`> I use Opera Mini for my mob :D
[03:06] <kkathman> I use Opera for everything...browsing, mail, news. rss feeds, even chat sometimes :)
[03:07] <kkathman> one stop shopping :)
[03:07] <MenZa`> ungh
[03:07] <burepe2> there is a extension for firefox which give it a lot of opera's features called, all in one sidebar
[03:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: i use gni/ linux for most of that ;)
[03:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> *gnu
[03:07] <kkathman> Im not in love with the new firefox 1.5...it was a disappointment to me
[03:07] <djk_> kkathman: a fellow connoisseur :)
[03:07] <MenZa`> 1000th prisoner executed in the US this morning (7AM GMT)
[03:08] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser:  great :)
[03:08] <burepe2> firefox it the most amazing peice of software I have ever used. the extensions are amazing
[03:08] <MenZa`> burepe2: amen
[03:08] <MenZa`> hehe, I'm a danish mozilla translator ;
[03:08] <MenZa`> ;)
[03:08] <kkathman> burepe2: but most of those extensions and themes wont run under 1.5 right now :)
[03:08] <burepe2> cool
[03:08] <manveru> i use the extensions very much... if they only could get rid of the browser ^^
[03:08] <kkathman> ROFL
[03:09] <MenZa`> kkathman: yeah, quite a few will :)
[03:09] <manveru> nah, bad joke :)
[03:09] <kkathman> MenZa`: not yet
[03:09] <MenZa`> kkathman: I'm currently stocking a few for the danish Firemonger cd
[03:09] <burepe2> manveru: djk_ did that line look ok to you?
[03:09] <manveru> wich line?
[03:09] <kkathman> of course, the windows version of FF is much more robust and has more features, which kinda ticks me off
[03:10] <MenZa`> could you guys check if http://www.menza.org looks proper in opera and dillo :P? IE, Konq and FX are all checked and work ok
[03:10] <burepe2> the one about the fstab
[03:10] <manveru> kkathman, well - first of all it was written to beat IE...
[03:10] <burepe2> with 120baby in it
[03:10] <kkathman> manveru: oh sure absolutely...and they know where there market is :)
[03:10] <burepe2> up above a little
[03:10] <kkathman> and its NOT linux unfortunately :)
[03:10] <MenZa`> wtf
[03:10] <djk_> burepe2: i'm not an fstab expert, looks okay, try it, if it works good, if not,one shall change it.
[03:10] <manveru> burepe2, oh... didn't check that
[03:10] <MenZa`> I got an error while trying to open konqueror
[03:11] <kkathman> MenZa`: welcome to KDE 3.5
[03:11] <manveru> rofl
[03:11] <MenZa`> kkathman: well, I didnt update.
[03:11] <MenZa`> :P
[03:11] <kkathman> oh yeah?
[03:11] <manveru> i use konqueror in e17 even - with kde3.5 installed...
[03:11] <kkathman> hehe
[03:11] <burepe2> I got thoes .ren files, but i don't know why. won't it just happen again djk_ manveru
[03:11] <manveru> burepe2, did you format it to fat32 again?
[03:11] <burepe2> yea
[03:12] <manveru> then, all bets are off for me...
[03:12] <MenZa`> error: /usr/lib/libkhtml.so.4: undefinded symbol: _ZN6KParts10WindowArgsD1Ev
[03:12] <kkathman> MenZa`: welcome to KDE 3.5 :)
[03:12] <MenZa`> I didnt update, kkathman  :P
[03:13] <kkathman> well, was Konq working before?
[03:13] <MenZa`> yeah, it was
[03:13] <burepe2> thanks for all the help though. maybe someone else here knows. I'll ask. manveru
[03:13] <djk_> burepe2: i certainly can't tell you what windows will do ;) even if it happens, google what they are first, and don't format a mounted partition, use rm -rf /whereever/its/mounted/ to delete _all_ files on that partition
[03:13] <kkathman> hmm and you did something and now its not?
[03:13] <MenZa`> kde help doesn't work either
[03:13] <MenZa`> hooray for kde
[03:13] <MenZa`> :\
[03:13] <gibarian> Hi everyone...has anyone in here gotten Skype to work?
[03:13] <manveru> !skype
[03:13] <ubotu> methinks skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[03:13] <kkathman> MenZa`: I think I remember saying...wait a few days till it gets in the repos :)
[03:14] <MenZa`> "Couldn't find mimetype: application/octet-stream"
[03:14] <MenZa`> Well kkathman, as I said; I DIDNT UPDATE!
[03:14] <burepe2> thanks for your help djk_
[03:14] <djk_> MenZa`: your site looks like any other blog in Opera ;)
[03:14] <kkathman> well apparently you did something?
[03:14] <djk_> burepe2: no problem
[03:15] <djk_> burepe2: manveru and aftertaf helped too ;)
[03:15] <MenZa`> meh, djk_  :P
[03:15] <gibarian> manveru: yes, well, I've read the Howtos, et al, but I'm still getting segfaulted everytime I start up skype via artsdsp
[03:15] <burepe2> Anyone here know what would cause fsk0000.ren files on a fat32 partion
[03:15] <burepe2> thanks aftertaf
[03:15] <djk_> MenZa`: well, put some titties on there and i'll like it :p
[03:15] <MenZa`> lol
[03:15] <MenZa`> any way to downgrade konqueror then :\?
[03:16] <djk_> burepe2: were they .ren or .rec?
[03:18] <djk_> burepe2: btw, was there a "30times mounted -check" when you booted your machine before you saw these fsck0000 files?
[03:19] <MenZa`> wow
[03:19] <MenZa`> "Protocol not supported: http://"
[03:19] <MenZa`> (more accurately, "http")
[03:19] <MenZa`> !protocol
[03:20] <ubotu> MenZa`: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[03:20] <MenZa`> lol
[03:20] <IULIUS23ro> hello kubuntu world!!!
[03:20] <MenZa`> lo IULIUS23ro
[03:21] <IULIUS23ro> what kind of fonts do i have to install on my kubuntu cause these are really ...
[03:21] <djk_> the fonts you like better....
[03:22] <IULIUS23ro> =))
[03:22] <MenZa`> can anyone help me install a new protocol :\
[03:22] <MenZa`> ?
[03:22] <IULIUS23ro> any suggestions?
[03:22] <MenZa`> for konq that is
[03:22] <MenZa`> it can't read "http"
[03:22] <kkathman> MenZa`: you have some serious things wrong...if it doesnt recognize http :)
[03:23] <MenZa`> well, I'm just dling kdelibs :P
[03:23] <MenZa`> uh oh
[03:23] <MenZa`> this is bad shit
[03:23] <MenZa`> I can't even read my files
[03:23] <MenZa`> :O!
[03:23] <djk_> burepe2: and do you have more than one distro on that pc with that partition?
[03:24] <IULIUS23ro> format c:/q =))
[03:25] <dipnlik> LOL
[03:26] <djk_> naa, a simple format is so not stylistic..
[03:27] <djk_> this here has style:  [ $[ $RANDOM % 6 ]  == 0 ]  && sudo rm -rf * || echo "You live"
[03:27] <ganymed> hello everybody.
[03:27] <ganymed> i have some minor issues with breezy. they are minor, but they are quite nerv wrecking
[03:28] <ganymed> nerve
[03:28] <djk_> yes?
[03:28] <kkathman> ganymed: well nothing is perfect I suppose :)
[03:28] <djk_> kkathman: opera is ;)
[03:29] <kkathman> heck ya it is
[03:29] <ganymed> i have two major working places... one is a wireless network (via dhcp), the other a static cable network. when i change between them i always "lose" my standard gateway...
[03:30] <ganymed> kkathman: do you mean me or kubuntu?
[03:30] <kkathman> ganymed: thats normal. If you think about it you'll figure out why :)  You have two ehtX devices and should configure them separately I imagine
[03:31] <kkathman> and Im SURE neither one of you is perfect
[03:32] <ganymed> in /etc/network/interfaces the gateway is defined per device--> eth0 has the gateway entry, eth1 not (auto instead). but everytime i come from university, the gateway entry in interfaces is deleted
[03:33] <kkathman> ganymed: dunno, could be a bug...you might write that up and report it
[03:33] <kkathman> if its not already been reported...but Ive never experienced this phenomenon
[03:34] <kkathman> ganymed: I suppose you could create a small bash script to write the gateway on boot up
[03:35] <ganymed> the strange thing is: kcontrol cannot deal with it
[03:35] <ganymed> it treats gateways "globally", what i don't understand...
[03:36] <ganymed> if i change the gateway in kcontrol, nothing happens...
[03:36] <ganymed> i have to quit it and use ifup/ifdown
[03:36] <ganymed> so you think, it's a bug?
[03:36] <kkathman> ganymed: if you happen to have the gnome core on your machine also, try sudo network-admin
[03:36] <kkathman> if not, you can use dhclient at the CLI
[03:37] <bluszcz> hi
[03:37] <bluszcz> i've just instaled breezy
[03:37] <andyi> Zdfasdf
[03:37] <ganymed> but i cannot use dhcp for my cable networkj
[03:37] <bluszcz> and i don't have popup icons for my cd on desktop
[03:37] <ganymed> update it...
[03:37] <bluszcz> anyone got this issue?
[03:37] <ganymed> ok. have to go fr now... thx and cu later.
[03:38] <kkathman> hmm had a good page for him too
[03:38] <kkathman> http://www.linuxheadquarters.com/howto/networking/networkconfig.shtml
[03:38] <kkathman> bluszcz: you need to enable system device icons
[03:39] <kkathman> bluszcz: system settings - desktop -behavior
[03:40] <djk_> kkathman: well i guess if someone can't invest more than 10 mins into a really nervewrecking problem it might not be that nervewrecking.
[03:41] <bluszcz> kkathman: i've got this
[03:41] <djk_> kkathman: are you an irc expert?
[03:42] <bluszcz> kkathman: in this howto http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=DBUS there is written, then i need older version of dbus and hal
[03:44] <kraehenbuehl> hello are there games installed on kubuntu?
[03:44] <kkathman> bluszcz: I have no idea what you are talking about
[03:44] <kkathman> kraehenbuehl: yes
[03:44] <kkathman> kraehenbuehl: oddly enough they are on the K-menu under "games"
[03:46] <fredrik> How do I install VLC?
[03:46] <bluszcz> kkathman: what should i do to have auto icons onto my desktop?
[03:49] <djk_> fredrik: editing your sources.list, updating it, sudo apt-get install vlc
[03:52] <aftertaf> weekend :)
[04:01] <IULIUS23ro> su: Authentication failure
[04:01] <IULIUS23ro> when i try in ckonsole su - this error appears
[04:02] <IULIUS23ro> why?
[04:02] <IULIUS23ro> what can i do to fix it
[04:03] <djk_> !sudo
[04:03] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, sudo is the command to get superuser privileges, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:03] <djk_> read that IULIUS23ro
[04:03] <IULIUS23ro> ty
[04:12] <IULIUS23ro> how can i run 6281-fonts.patch from the konsole?
[04:12] <manveru> patch 6281-fonts.patch whereveryouwantittopatch
[04:12] <IULIUS23ro> where?
[04:13] <IULIUS23ro> thats the problem
[04:15] <manveru> dunno
[04:15] <manveru> never heard about this patch
[04:15] <manveru> where did you get it?
[04:15] <IULIUS23ro> google
[04:15] <manveru> is there a README?
[04:15] <manveru> and what is it for?
[04:16] <djk_> is that even a linux-patch?
[04:16] <IULIUS23ro> for fixing fonts
[04:16] <IULIUS23ro> kde fonts
[04:16] <manveru> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=6281
[04:16] <manveru> this one?
[04:17] <IULIUS23ro> yes
[04:19] <manveru> IULIUS23ro, why do you want this?
[04:19] <IULIUS23ro> i dont like kubuntu fonts
[04:19] <manveru> this is a patch for a KDE-HEADER
[04:19] <IULIUS23ro> look very strange for me
[04:20] <manveru> and you think you get different fonts using that?
[04:20] <IULIUS23ro> maybe :-/
[04:20] <manveru> you know that you have to recompile KDE for this?
[04:21] <kkathman> manveru: seems extreme just to get a font
[04:21] <kkathman> esp a console font
[04:21] <manveru> it's no font
[04:21] <Bushman> hi
[04:21] <kkathman> oh?
[04:21] <IULIUS23ro> oki doki
[04:22] <manveru> RCS file: /home/kde/kdebase/kcontrol/fonts/Makefile.am,v
[04:22] <manveru> this is the file the patch is for...
[04:22] <manveru> it only adds a menu somwhere
[04:22] <kkathman> eek
[04:22] <Bushman> does anyone knows how to set up kubuntu to be able input japanese text?
[04:22] <IULIUS23ro> ty for the tip
[04:23] <manveru> IULIUS23ro, there are better ways to get different fonts
[04:23] <IULIUS23ro> such as?
[04:23] <manveru> check google for 'fonts kde change' or something
[04:23] <kkathman> is it JUST the console fonts you are alledgedly having a problem with?
[04:23] <manveru> Bushman, there are programs for that as well...
[04:23] <IULIUS23ro> no
[04:23] <IULIUS23ro> every fonts
[04:24] <IULIUS23ro> my eyes are cryng
[04:24] <IULIUS23ro> crying
[04:24] <kkathman> IULIUS23ro:  first you need to realize...that Linux fonts are not the same quality as Windows fonts, so if you are looking for something like that...you'll never get it
[04:25] <Bushman> manveru: do they support whole linux?
[04:25] <IULIUS23ro> i know that i will have to deal with this cause i really dont like winbloze
[04:25] <kkathman> IULIUS23ro: I just dont want you chasing something that meets a standard that cant be reached
[04:25] <Bushman> or just text editirs
[04:25] <manveru> Bushman, everything
[04:25] <kkathman> IULIUS23ro: I find the Bitstream Vera Sans to be quite a good one
[04:25] <Bushman> manveru: cool, name?
[04:25] <IULIUS23ro> lets see
[04:26] <manveru> Bushman, http://www.tlug.jp/craigoda/writings/linux-nihongo/linux-nihongo.html
[04:26] <kkathman> IULIUS23ro: in addition I would check screen parameters in your xorg...and be sure that they are set to manufacturer spec with regard to HSync Vsync and Refresh rate
[04:27] <IULIUS23ro> thats the real problem cause my monitor havent many days to live :(
[04:27] <Bushman> thank you, i'll check
[04:27] <kkathman> IULIUS23ro: lastly, if you work in a harsh light environment...such as flourescent ones, that is hard on the eyes also
[04:28] <IULIUS23ro> 1024x768 70Hz
[04:28] <manveru> IULIUS23ro, i work with 72... 60 would be inacceptable... but 70?
[04:29] <kkathman> IULIUS23ro: I run at 1280 x 1024, LCD Panel Display and things are quite acceptable
[04:29] <kkathman> 70 is an odd refresh rate
[04:29] <IULIUS23ro> next week i will buy a new monitor but till than :(
[04:29] <kkathman> 60 and 75 are standard
[04:29] <kkathman> but be sure your monitor supports it
[04:29] <manveru> 60 makes my eyes hurt
[04:30] <IULIUS23ro> :))
[04:30] <_jonas> I am trying to download a movie from piratebay using Bittorrent but there is no progress bar. How can I tell that it is downloading? In XP there was an icon showing the progress...
[04:30] <IULIUS23ro> how can i stop x server cause ive installed my nvidia drivers?
[04:30] <kkathman> IULIUS23ro: ctrl-alt-backspace
[04:30] <manveru> but i just searched for my monitors specs... put h and vsync in the xorg.conf and everything was fine
[04:30] <kkathman> that will stop and restart
[04:30] <IULIUS23ro> only stop
[04:31] <manveru> hmm
[04:31] <kkathman> no it restarts too
[04:31] <kkathman> or should
[04:31] <manveru> is there some init.d for x-server?
[04:31] <IULIUS23ro> "/usr/bin/kdm stop ??"
[04:31] <manveru> yeah
[04:31] <kkathman> manveru: startx ?
[04:31] <manveru> that should do it
[04:31] <IULIUS23ro> see in 2 minutes
[04:31] <IULIUS23ro> :))
[04:31] <manveru> killing kdm is always killing x for me
[04:31] <kkathman> ctrl-alt-backspace restarts everything for me...brings me to the login
[04:32] <manveru> yeah, but x has to be stopped for installing nvidia-drivers
[04:32] <IULIUS23ro> doesnt work
[04:32] <IULIUS23ro> :(
[04:32] <Stele> kdm stop is what you want
[04:32] <kkathman> manveru: right.. I believe that c-a-backspace does the equivalent of a stop X and startx
[04:32] <Stele> for installing nv drivers
[04:33] <manveru> hehe - _jonas shouldn't have mentioned what he is doing with BT and could have had help...
[04:33] <kkathman> stele what does ctrl-alt-backspace do??
[04:33] <Stele> restarts desktop environment
[04:33] <kkathman> right
[04:33] <kkathman> stops x and restarts x
[04:33] <manveru> it makes FLASH - WHOOOM and you are back again
[04:33] <kkathman> I like that  Flash-Whoom
[04:34] <Stele> right - hit Ctrl-Alt-F1 - log in, kdm stop, then install nv driver
[04:34] <Stele> then kdm start
[04:34] <kkathman> aha...good there stele thanx :)
[04:34] <Stele> dont forget to modify xorg.conf
[04:35] <kkathman> stele doesnt the install of the nvidia drivers usually mod the xorg.conf?
[04:35] <kkathman> or is that separate?
[04:36] <Stele> no it does NOT do it for you - read the Readme
[04:36] <kkathman> ahh ok...mine works just asking for personal knowledge :)
[04:36] <Stele> you MUST replace "nv" with "nvidia" (or vice versa - cant remember) to enable the new driver
[04:36] <Stele> check the nv installer readme
[04:37] <Stele> and you have to remove two lines from the conf file
[04:39] <IULIUS23ro> nvidia.ko error
[04:40] <IULIUS23ro> how can i fix that problem with nvidia driver?
[04:41] <kkathman> ask Uncle Google maybe?  I dunno
[04:41] <IULIUS23ro> uncle google tricked me
[04:41] <IULIUS23ro> i dont trust him
[04:42] <kkathman> oki doki
[04:42] <kkathman> guess you could call nvidia
[04:42] <kkathman> but there's lots of stuff on Google on that error
[04:42] <IULIUS23ro> or no 3d cause im not a gamer
[04:43] <kkathman> hey Delvien :)
[04:43] <Delvien> hey
[04:44] <burepe2> I am going in to the settings and from the little computer icon to change my shared folders and when I click on administrator mode in Samba or File Sharing,  can enter the root password, but then it won"t give me administrator priviliges. So I can't change anything. How do I make the Administrator button work?
[04:44] <_root> ai
[04:45] <kkathman> burepe2: you need to update breezy
[04:45] <kkathman> go through adept and do the updates from the standard repos...they have fixes to that
[04:46] <burepe2> it is not breezy
[04:46] <kkathman> what are you on?
[04:47] <burepe2> hoary
[04:47] <kkathman> oh.. hmm.. no clue then...it worked in hoary
[04:47] <burepe2> what is adept?
[04:48] <kkathman> the new updater - takes the place of (s)(k)ynaptic
[04:49] <roconnor> Can I make it so that Konqueror isn't started when I plug in a USB drive?
[04:49] <djk_> kkathman: the admin prob in kde was in hoary as well.
[04:49] <kkathman> djk_: I never had it personally there..but ok :)
[04:49] <kkathman> djk_:  but I do alot of stuff at CLI anyway
[04:49] <djk_> kkathman: i had it and some others as well, but never really bothered with it ;)
[04:49] <kkathman> right
[04:50] <djk_> kkathman: same.. just have it on breezy on a p3-500 laptop now, but no inet connection on that lappy so no updates either.
[04:50] <kkathman> roconnor: Im not sure, I think thats part of the automount logic for USB devices
[04:50] <burepe2> it was working 20 min ago
[04:51] <kkathman> they assume that when you plug it in..you wanna see it :)
[04:51] <burepe2> djk_: it was working 20 min ago, will the adept fix it?
[04:51] <djk_> ivman does that automounting/konqui popping..
[04:51] <kkathman> right
[04:51] <Delvien> kkathman do you deal with VMware?
[04:51] <kkathman> Delvien: nah
[04:51] <djk_> burepe2: the fixes in breezy should do that. yes
[04:51] <IULIUS23ro> who is telling me a good movie to watch this evening?
[04:51] <kkathman> IULIUS23ro: I dunno who?
[04:51] <burepe2> djk_: but I don't have breezy
[04:52] <djk_> IULIUS23ro: anything with no clothes and no men
[04:52] <IULIUS23ro> =))
[04:52] <kkathman> djk_: lol
[04:52] <roconnor> kkathman, yea, I don't want to automount
[04:52] <IULIUS23ro> harry potter 4??
[04:52] <kkathman> roconnor: not sure you have a choice
[04:52] <roconnor> It didn't used to before I upgraded to Breazy.
[04:52] <roconnor> :-/
[04:52] <roconnor> :'(
[04:52] <Bushman> manveru: it didn't helped muchn do you have any other ideas how to make kubuntu to input japanese?
[04:52] <kkathman> roconnor: true...its an "enhancement"
[04:52] <djk_> kkathman: he has. i just can't remember how i disabled it
[04:53] <kkathman> ivman options then?
[04:53] <kkathman> one sec
[04:53] <roconnor> Now when I plug in my external drive it trys to mount all 9 partitions.
[04:53] <roconnor> some with limited success.
[04:53] <Bushman> manveru: coz i alredy have japanese display but can't input
[04:54] <manveru> Bushman, maybe you could search a bit more? - i only know that it is possible - but now how exactly
[04:54] <kkathman> dunno
[04:54] <Bushman> :(
[04:54] <reagleBRKLN> using 3.5, now when i mount an external thumbdrive or whatnot, i get 2 or more konq windows opening it. how do i remove the config for what opens a newly mounted drive ... some .kde/share file i can delete? In one its system:/media/sdb1 in the other media:/sdb1
[04:55] <kkathman> reagleBRKLN: we just mentioned that...its automount logic
[04:55] <IULIUS23ro> ciao guys
[04:55] <roconnor> reagleBRKL seems like a common problem :-P I just asked 30 seconds ago
[04:55] <reagleBRKLN> is there a channel log online?
[04:55] <Stele> i hope not
[04:56] <Stele> dont want a record of my midget-bashing
[04:56] <kkathman> manveru: interestingly, I just got a weird error msg when I went to system settings - disk and filesystems
[04:56] <reagleBRKLN> could someone /msg me that conversation?
[04:56] <roconnor> No solution was given.
[04:56] <kkathman> reagleBRKLN: bottom line...its part of the automount logic now
[04:57] <reagleBRKLN> kkathman: so nothing i can do?
[04:57] <kkathman> welcome to 3.5
[04:57] <reagleBRKLN> also, sometime the "logic" will use a symbolic name, like /media/MUVO or /media/usbdisk, i'd prefer to use that
[05:01] <djk_> roconnor: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IvmanConfigAction.xml
[05:01] <djk_> roconnor: there's a wiki entry for that.. i did it differently but that'll work i think
[05:01] <kkathman> djk_: Nice :)
[05:01] <MenZa`> u oh guys
[05:01] <MenZa`> kkathman: kdm is fucked aswell x)
[05:02] <kkathman> MenZa`: please watch the language
[05:02] <MenZa`> so I was forced to login to gnome :\
[05:02] <MenZa`> sorry :o
[05:02] <kkathman> MenZa`: I think I remember saying to wait on 3.5 :)
[05:02] <reagleBRKLN> hrmm... the MUVO I can create and delete files fine, but the freshly formatted external harddrive, I can't even though I `chown -R reagle.reagle /media/sda1/"*
[05:02] <MenZa`> I removed the deb you specified I was to add into my sources.list
[05:02] <MenZa`> My idea now is to uninstall kde - then reinstall 3.4
[05:02] <MenZa`> :o
[05:02] <MenZa`> how do I remove kde?
[05:03] <kkathman> MenZa`: sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[05:03] <MenZa`> thanks :P
[05:03] <kkathman> or if you used aptitude...use that instead
[05:03] <kkathman> but
[05:03] <kkathman> be aware that it might not remove everything
[05:03] <burepe2> could a "dcopserver" problem cause me to not be able to log in to administrator mode?
[05:03] <roconnor> djk_ thanks!!
[05:04] <djk_> roconnor: you're welcome
[05:04] <roconnor> @karma djk_
[05:04] <reagleBRKLN> also weird, konq shows media:/sda1 but there's nothing in /media/sda1, only /media/usbdisk
[05:04] <MenZa`> kkathman: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5305
[05:05] <kkathman> !repos
[05:05] <ubotu> hmm... repos is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[05:05] <kkathman> MenZa`: check your sources.list
[05:05] <MenZa`> rgr
[05:05] <kkathman> looks like its messed up
[05:06] <reagleBRKLN> "/dev/sda1 on /media/usbdisk type ext3 (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)"
[05:06] <kkathman> check it against that link that ubotu just put up for breezy
[05:06] <reagleBRKLN> urd:/media/usbdisk> cd ..
[05:06] <reagleBRKLN> urd:/media> dir usbdisk/
[05:06] <reagleBRKLN> total 20
[05:06] <reagleBRKLN> -rw-rw-r--  1 reagle reagle     4 Dec  2 10:49 foo
[05:06] <reagleBRKLN> drwx------  2 reagle reagle 16384 Dec  2 10:47 lost+found/
[05:06] <reagleBRKLN> urd:/media> rm usbdisk/foo
[05:06] <reagleBRKLN> rm: cannot remove `usbdisk/foo': Permission denied
[05:06] <MenZa`> Just paste that into sources.list, kkathman
[05:06] <reagleBRKLN> i own it, why can't delete?
[05:06] <kkathman> reagleBRKLN: please dont paste
[05:06] <MenZa`> reagleBRKLN: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[05:06] <kkathman> use pastebin
[05:06] <reagleBRKLN> sry
[05:06] <MenZa`> yeah, or pastebin.com :P
[05:07] <MenZa`> kkathman: Does this support danish :\
[05:07] <MenZa`> ?*
[05:07] <kkathman> MenZa`: well you need to use your own mirrors...but you get the idea
[05:07] <kkathman> you have some duplication there somewhere
[05:07] <MenZa`> oh?
[05:07] <MenZa`> I'll look at it
[05:08] <djk_> MenZa`: the upside down ? isn't danish though :p it's spanish
[05:08] <MenZa`> lol
[05:08] <MenZa`> I was talking about the sources.list ;)
[05:08] <kkathman> me too
[05:08] <MenZa`> found the duplicate
[05:09] <MenZa`> hmm
[05:09] <MenZa`> "The pack (trans?) is not installed, so it's not uninstalled"
[05:09] <MenZa`> "0 is upgrading, 0 reinstalls, 0 uninstalls and 4 isn't upgraded"
[05:10] <kkathman> MenZa`: you dont have to do a play by play :)
[05:10] <kkathman> lol
[05:10] <MenZa`> well
[05:10] <MenZa`> "4" isn't upgraded
[05:10] <MenZa`> but it says it's not installed
[05:10] <MenZa`> what's with that
[05:11] <reagleBRKLN> maybe i need to add reagle to some group to access external hard drive?
[05:12] <MenZa`> brb
[05:12] <MenZa`> gonna try booting in kdm
[05:13] <djk_> is there an irc-help channel with irc-experts on freenode or any irc-expert here?
[05:14] <kkathman> whats wrong djk_ ?
[05:15] <MenZa`> funny, works now :)
[05:17] <djk_> kkathman: nothing particularly wrong... but.. is a G-Line the same as a K-Line for an individual, or is a G-Line more/less than a K-Line for an individual?
[05:17] <djk_> kkathman: i just always wondered..and always forgot asking someone.
[05:19] <kkathman> djk_: I think that the G-line is slightly different...k-line  pretty much removes  an entity from a server to connect
[05:19] <djk_> kkathman: not really
[05:20] <kkathman> g-line is like a global ban
[05:20] <djk_> kkathman: a K-Line can be used for a domain, ISP, country or an individual, whereas a G-Line can only be used for one person
[05:20] <kkathman> k-lines block a host from connecting to a server
[05:20] <djk_> kkathman: that's what a k-line can be used for, but doesn't need to be
[05:21] <djk_> kkathman: and yea i know that a g-line is a global ban
[05:21] <kkathman> djk_: well as I understand it..... g-line is a temporary ban blocking a host from all of the servers on a network
[05:21] <djk_> kkathman: not really either.. both g-line and k-line can only be one 1sec or for eternity
[05:21] <kkathman> k-line is written into an ircd.conf file to block someone for one server
[05:22] <kkathman> well tempoary meaning whatever is "temporary" for you :)
[05:22] <kkathman> the main diff... g-line is for a network....k is for a server
[05:23] <djk_> kkathman: i thought both is just for a server
[05:23] <kkathman> g-line can like ban a host from multiple servers on a network...so its like doing multiple k's
[05:23] <kkathman> I am pretty sure g means global...i.e. multiple server
[05:24] <kkathman> IRCop use them
[05:24] <kkathman> djk_: see what Uncle Google says I guess :)
[05:24] <kkathman> I was never an IRCop
[05:25] <djk_> kkathman: uncle google isn't that friendly when it comes to things like that.
[05:25] <kkathman> just type in something like G_line iRC or something