[00:26] <DemonWitch> hey how can i change at grub the video driver ( i want to choose vesa by changing the kernel line)
[00:27] <Unit193> Grub config? /etc/default/grub just remember to update-grub
[00:27] <DemonWitch> Unit193, yeah
[00:28] <DemonWitch> i want to tell grub to use vesa
[00:28] <DemonWitch> instead of ati driver
[00:28] <DemonWitch> what is the kernel line parameter?
[00:55] <toekee> how do I save smb://<IP_ADDRESS> (windows shares) ?
[00:57] <ochosi> toekee: you mean as a bookmark in thunar?
[00:57] <toekee> yes...ochsi...
[00:57] <toekee> ochosi...
[00:57] <ochosi> it's not possible at the moment, you have to use gigolo for that
[00:58] <ochosi> (or you create a launcher)
[00:58] <toekee> shux darn
[00:58] <toekee> oh..a launcher
[00:59] <toekee> what about fstab ?
[00:59] <ochosi> yeah, you can also do that
[01:00] <Unit193> Yep, that works, and is faster than FUSE.
[01:00] <ochosi> not sure whether it takes longer to boot if you're not in your lan though
[01:00] <ochosi> you can also add a network-manager dispatcher script that checks your wlan-essid (or in a lan your route etc.) and then mounts the smb share
[01:01] <ochosi> there are many many options :)
[01:01] <toekee> There should be an automount option
[01:02] <toekee> Is this an xfce issue then ?
[01:03] <toekee> I have the windows share as a home server, accessible from the local network from any laptop pretty much
[01:04] <toekee> except crunchbang  and vector linux
[01:06] <ochosi> well you can always go the slow way and use the "network" link in thunar
[01:06] <ochosi> it's about as slow as browsing the network with windows
[01:06] <ochosi> the automount option is fstab
[01:07] <ochosi> toekee: ^
[01:07] <toekee> yes...the network link....almost works
[01:09] <toekee> I ndont really mind typing the address in the location  box, but I have never dealt with fstab , so that would be a learning thing
[01:10] <toekee> how to add windows shares to fstab....google it...
[01:10] <ochosi> yeah, it's just adding one line (and there are many examples on the net)
[01:10] <ochosi> should be manageable
[01:10] <toekee> the optiions are what confuse me
[01:10] <ochosi> yeah, but there are not so many
[01:10] <toekee> after the uuid
[01:11] <ochosi> and they're documented
[01:11] <toekee> I should learn it
[01:11] <ochosi> yeah, it's pretty useful and works on every linux
[01:11] <toekee> yah...its the real linux stuff....fstab
[01:12] <toekee> the auto stuff is prolly frowned upon from the true linux point of view
[01:12] <ochosi> not necessarily
[01:13] <ochosi> but it's always useful to know your way on the command line, at least a bit
[01:13] <ochosi> especially when X breaks or when you're on a remote server
[01:14] <toekee> Yah ...true
[01:15] <toekee> ochosi....what woould be an example of a windows shares added to fstab?
[01:17] <ochosi> toekee: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu+add+windows+share+fstab
[01:17] <toekee> funny !
[01:18] <ochosi> innit? :D
[01:18] <toekee> oh yes..it is...
[01:18] <ochosi> first result is the page of the ubuntu wiki
[01:18] <ochosi> that should work ;)
[01:19] <toekee> tnaks...I'll read for a bit now....
[01:19] <toekee> thanks....
[01:19] <ochosi> np, have fun!
[01:19] <ochosi> and good luck
[01:20] <toekee> despite my inabilities, I rarely ever use windows....
[01:20] <toekee> "publisher files"
[01:21] <toekee> so....there
[02:27] <xubuntu260> First time on IRC; excuse any problems;  I'm looking for some help getting a dev environment setup on xubuntu.
[02:27] <xubuntu260> I'm trying to install things like python-numpy and can't figure out which repository to add to apt.
[02:30] <xubuntu260> example: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/python-numpy
[02:31] <xubuntu260> I'm just not sure what the mapping is from ubuntu names <-> xubuntu; used uname -a, but didn't see anythnig useful.
[02:34] <Unit193> Just open synaptic and search for, and install python-numpy
[02:34] <Unit193> or type sudo apt-get install python-numpy
[02:35] <xubuntu260> Sweet.  Thanks so much Unit193.
[02:35] <Unit193> Sure.
[02:35] <xubuntu260> Guess my mistake was going through the "Ubuntu software center"
[02:36] <Unit193> Meh, I've never used it.
[02:36] <xubuntu260> Just installed virtualbox, haven't used a debian system in years; thought that it was some front end for synaptic.
[02:37] <xubuntu260> apt is great.
[02:40] <Unit193> !software
[02:40] <Unit193> There's that too.
[02:41] <xubuntu260> Appreciated.
[02:48] <liveoutloud91> Howdy! How would I get window snapping in Xubuntu?
[02:51] <Unit193> Already enabled, but config in settings > Settings Manager > Window Manager > Advanced.
[02:54] <liveoutloud91> I'm in the windows manager but I don't see "Advanced"
[02:55] <Unit193> Top tab.
[04:10] <doc|home> hey, I just installed a new geforce gtx550ti and my screens now seem a bit out of whack. I've switched from a geforce 7600gt. Anyone got any idea what I need to do to fix it? I can get to a terminal easily.
[04:10] <doc|home> no mouse usage though
[04:11] <doc|home> the xorg.conf reads Geforce 7600 GT for the boardname, but I doubt that's a problem, is it?
[04:37] <doc|mobile> anyone?
[05:44] <pepsipilot> Hello everyone
[05:45] <pepsipilot> Will xubuntu work on a P3 258Megs laptop
[05:48] <pepsipilot> What will be the best linux to run
[05:49]  * Transfusion used mint 9 with xfce
[05:49] <Transfusion> on a pIII 128 MB 533 mhz compaq presario lappy
[05:51] <pepsipilot> Is mint9 good distro
[05:51] <pepsipilot> How is xubuntu
[05:51] <baizon> mint 9 old, gnome 2 distro
[05:52] <baizon> xubuntu xfce :)
[05:52] <Transfusion> gnome 2 is heavy on graphics....
[05:52] <Transfusion> :D
[05:52] <baizon> make your choice :)
[05:54] <pepsipilot> Which 1 is better because slatz is running so so slow
[05:58] <baizon> cant say :)
[05:58] <baizon> try both
[06:00] <pepsipilot> Okay
[06:00] <pepsipilot> Are the big in size
[06:01] <pepsipilot> How do I get the xubuntu xfce version
[06:04] <well_laid_lawn> !xubuntu
[06:05] <pepsipilot> Hehe
[06:07] <Marzata> most of the users are bio-robots
[06:07] <pepsipilot> Oh okay
[06:07] <Marzata> pepsipilot: the xfce version?
[06:08] <baizon> xubuntu got only the xfce DE :)
[06:08] <Marzata> another one
[06:08] <xubuntu136> NEED HELP..i need to uninstall xubuntu completely..i've currently installed it along with windows 7..
[06:09] <Marzata> you know, bio-robots are not yet that good at making jokes
[06:09] <pepsipilot> What is DE
[06:11] <pepsipilot> So is mint9 the 1 I need of the latest mint
[06:19] <baizon> pepsipilot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_environment
[06:21] <pepsipilot> Hehe thanks
[06:22] <pepsipilot> Wanna find out will the latest mint xfce work on my old laptop or do I require mint9
[06:24] <Mathsterk> pepsipilot: just try, it would probably not hurt :P
[06:25] <baizon> mint doesnt have a "lastest version"
[06:25] <baizon> mint xfce is bleeding edge
[06:25] <Marzata> mint?
[06:25] <baizon> Marzata: i mean mint + xfce
[06:26] <Marzata> so
[06:27] <pepsipilot> Isadora
[06:28] <Transfusion> debian >.< i want to install wine 1.4. To do that, i need to install the unstable alsamixer. No problem, I figure. But to do that, i have to install the new python toolkit......., and to do that, i need to instal....... until i approach infinity.
[06:30] <pepsipilot> Can I use a dos application in Linux
[06:30] <pepsipilot> And if so I need so install winehq
[06:30] <pepsipilot> Is it easy to use winehq to open a dos ap
[06:31]  * Transfusion has no idea sorry, perhaps you may need DOSBox inside wine
[06:31] <Transfusion> the dependencies in the debian repos are INSANELY outdated, some approaching three years old!
[06:32] <Marzata> debian is a goner, use ubuntu
[06:34] <Transfusion> debian and centos are the only options on host1free
[06:34] <Transfusion> and getting ppa to work on debian squeeze is superhuman
[06:36] <Transfusion> ~/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/mIRC$ sudo synaptic
[06:36] <Transfusion> [sudo] password for ravera:
[06:36] <Transfusion> Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
[06:36] <Transfusion> (synaptic:6241): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :1.0
[06:36]  * Transfusion facepalms
[06:37] <well_laid_lawn> what does echo $DISPLAY return in a terminal ?
[06:37] <Transfusion> $ echo $DISPLAY
[06:37] <Transfusion> :1.0
[06:38] <Transfusion> i'm on a VPS, lxde is installed
[06:38] <well_laid_lawn> seems weird then
[06:38] <pepsipilot> Will I be able to use dos on mint or xubuntu
[06:38] <well_laid_lawn> pepsipilot: you'll need an emulator
[06:39] <well_laid_lawn> !info dosbox
[06:39] <pepsipilot> So dosbox works on Linux.
[06:39] <well_laid_lawn> yeppers
[06:43] <pepsipilot> Awesome
[06:43] <Mathsterk> is there an easy way to check internet speed in cli? (without wget'ing a large file from somewhere)
[06:44] <well_laid_lawn> Mathsterk: you need to be downloading something to check how fast you are capable of downloading stuff
[06:45] <well_laid_lawn> here in oz I use ozspeedtest.com
[06:46] <Mathsterk> well_laid_lawn: i'm planning on testing how fast internet my box has (it's about 2000 km away from me :P ) and it doesn't run X and last time i tried speedtests in lynx they wouldn't work
[06:47] <well_laid_lawn> Mathsterk: sounds like you might have to use wget or curl
[06:47] <Mathsterk> ok
[06:47] <well_laid_lawn> afaik and I don't know everything
[06:50] <Mathsterk> damn, just 5 mbit down and 1 up :\
[06:55] <pepsipilot> Lol
[07:17] <pepsipilot> Which is better for xubuntu or lubuntu
[07:18] <Mathsterk> that is depending on what you mean with "better" :P (everything has advantages and disadvantages)
[07:21] <pepsipilot> On my P3 laptop with 258megs
[07:21] <pepsipilot> Which will run faster
[07:22] <pepsipilot> Which 1 do u think
[07:34] <pAt_> pepsipilot: maybe Lubuntu is slightly faster in my experience
[07:58] <pepsipilot> Lubuntu
[08:00] <Marzata> xubuntu -x +l
[08:41] <sunzz> just resumed my system from standby - mouse stopped working...  what can i do about it?
[08:43] <baizon> sunzz: restart? :)
[08:43] <baizon> mouse ps2 or usb?
[08:43] <sunzz> usb
[08:43] <sunzz> restart does help indeed :P
[08:46] <Dice> does re-plugging it help?
[09:06] <Mathsterk> sunzz: switch usb-port, it usually help
[09:06] <Mathsterk> helps*
[09:07] <sunzz> indeed, replugging it into a different USB slot helps
[09:08] <sunzz> but, since i am using a laptop with only 2 usb slots, i cant afford loosing 50% of my USB to standby
[09:09] <Mathsterk> you can also try replugging
[09:09] <sunzz> just replugging does not help
[09:10] <well_laid_lawn> I'd check dmesg to see if the kernel registers the mouse being replugged
[09:11] <sunzz> well_laid_lawn, i just did, it does not register it on the slot where it should be
[09:11] <sunzz> well_laid_lawn, but it registers fine on the other usb slot, wich i need free for using usb-disks
[09:11] <well_laid_lawn> k
[09:12] <well_laid_lawn> it works ok if you unplug it before going to standby then resume?
[09:13] <sunzz> not tried that yet
[09:13] <sunzz> i forgot to mention, it does not happen after every resume, it seems to happen randomly in 60-70% of resumes
[09:14] <sunzz> that why its so annoying :(
[09:14] <ochosi> sunzz: have you taken a look whether there's already a bugreport?
[09:15] <sunzz> ochosi, no, where should i look?
[09:15] <ochosi> on launchpad
[09:16] <sunzz> ah ok, im going to check that
[09:16] <ochosi> or you can simply google "ubuntu $your-laptop-model resume standby usb blah blah"
[09:17] <sunzz> ochosi, well i spent weeks googling that already, there are many similar problems reported, but almost no solutions, and if, they dont work for me
[09:17] <ochosi> i see
[10:56] <xubuntu426> hello world!
[10:56] <xubuntu426> there is someone here?
[10:57] <knome> just us robots.
[10:57] <xubuntu426> robots?
[10:57] <knome> i'm just kidding.
[10:57] <xubuntu426> :D
[10:57] <xubuntu426> i have a problem with installing kubuntu
[10:57] <knome> kubuntu? then try #kubuntu
[10:58] <xubuntu426> sorry xubuntu
[10:58] <xubuntu426> on an old desktop pc
[10:58] <knome> sure - what's the problem?
[10:58] <xubuntu426> pentium IV
[10:58] <xubuntu426> 1 gb ram
[10:58] <xubuntu426> boot regular
[10:58] <xubuntu426> at menu
[10:58] <xubuntu426> what ever i choose
[10:59] <xubuntu426> everything i choose
[10:59] <xubuntu426> i have black screen
[10:59] <xubuntu426> except with memtest
[11:01] <xubuntu426> i have black screen with "install" "try live cd" and "check cd .."
[11:02] <xubuntu426> the cd is sure ok because with my portable pc i can right play the live version
[11:02] <xubuntu426> (and probably install it)
[11:04] <xubuntu426> :(
[11:05] <xubuntu426> [12:57] <xubuntu426> i have a problem with installing xubuntu [12:58] <xubuntu426> on an old desktop pc [12:58] <xubuntu426> pentium IV [12:58] <xubuntu426> 1 gb ram [12:58] <knome> sure - what's the problem? [12:58] <xubuntu426> boot regular [12:58] <xubuntu426> at menu [12:58] <xubuntu426> what ever i choose [12:59] <xubuntu426> everything i choose [12:59] <xubuntu426> i have black screen [12:59] <xubuntu426> except with memtes
[11:05] <knome> !patience
[11:05] <knome> xubuntu426, please read that
[11:05] <xubuntu426> sorry
[11:09] <xubuntu426> uff ..
[11:09] <xubuntu426> what i can try??
[11:11] <xubuntu426> i had to go
[11:11] <xubuntu426> bye bye
[13:16] <bonno> hi i have a problem with a process....  i am using conky and i can see that out of nowhere a process called :  xfce4-knotifyd  consumes a huge amount 30% of RAM... why? is that? i have my pc 1 + 1/2 days running... never had that problemm..also recently xfce4-xkb-plugin consumes 7% of the RAM (never had found a procces before that consumed more that 2-3%   (except browser with many tabs..) any help?
[13:17] <bonno> i dont know what these processes do... :p
[13:20] <magnus__> anyone know a way to produce all the fonts available in a terminal? ie a script/command/oneliner ?
[13:21] <Second> any help?
[13:22] <knome> magnus__, if you are referring to rebuilding the fonts catalog, check 'fc-cache' out
[13:23] <magnus__> knome: not really no. I want to pick a font to use in rxvt-unicode, but would like to see all the ones available in the terminal, so I can pick it :)
[13:24] <Second> can i get some advice here too ? :p
[13:24] <knome> magnus__, so are you referring to "how can i see all the monospae fonts?"
[13:24] <knome> !ask | Second
[13:24] <magnus__> knome: correct
[13:24] <Second> i did  already...  oh ok
[13:25] <Second>  hi i have a problem with a process....  i am using conky and i can see that out of nowhere a process called :  xfce4-knotifyd  consumes a huge amount 30% of RAM... why? is that? i have my pc 1 + 1/2 days running... never had that problemm..also recently xfce4-xkb-plugin consumes 7% of the RAM (never had found a procces before that consumed more that 2-3%   (except browser with many tabs..)
[13:25] <knome> magnus__, i don't think there is a specific app for that
[13:25] <magnus__> darn
[13:25] <magnus__> would be very useful though
[13:25] <knome> magnus__, a very niche request though ;)
[13:26] <Mathsterk> Second: try restarting the xfce4-knotifyd
[13:26] <magnus__> knome: sooo many fonts, it would be ideal to be able to pick the best one :)
[13:27] <Mathsterk> sometimes they use insane amounts of ram, i don't know why :\
[13:27] <Second> no its gone... :p omg.. memory is back to where it was
[13:27] <Second> what does knotifyd does in simple words?
[13:27] <knome> magnus__, i like liberation mono
[13:28] <knome> magnus__, dejavu sans mono isn't bad either
[13:28] <Mathsterk> Second: i think it's the fancy notifications (right corner)
[13:28] <Mathsterk> maybe it crashed?
[13:29] <magnus__> knome: ok will take a look. Thanks for the suggesions
[13:29] <knome> magnus__, np :)
[13:29] <Mathsterk> i found out why my computer boots slow
[13:30] <Second> ok and something else...   xfce4-xkb-plugin   consumes too 8% RAM  never had before...  what does it do and how do i fix it?
[13:31] <Mathsterk> 115 services or so starting up :P
[13:31] <Second> *never had that before*
[13:31] <Mathsterk> Second: try googling what it is
[13:31] <knome> Second, it's a keyboard layout switching applet - if you don't need it, you can stop it
[13:33] <Second> keyboard layout switcher...you mean it swithes between  "english" "japanese"  and that?
[13:33] <knome> Second, yes.
[13:34] <Second> cntrl + alt + shift ?
[13:34] <knome> don't know about that.
[13:34] <Second> thanks... found something on google about memory leak of that process..
[13:57] <Relondo> So, I used "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" to install Xfce on my standard Ubuntu installation. So, how  do I switch to it?
[14:16] <Papa-Smurf> Hello
[14:16] <blackgatonegro> Hi
[14:17] <Papa-Smurf> what is the best remote desktop for Xubuntu??
[14:17] <blackgatonegro> Relondo, try picking "xubuntu-desktop" before logging in
[14:17] <blackgatonegro> is in the options under the password thing
[14:18] <Mathsterk> Papa-Smurf: how are you going to use it?
[14:18] <Papa-Smurf> from a linux or windows client
[14:18] <Papa-Smurf> something like vnc...
[14:18] <Mathsterk> x11vnc is good
[14:18] <blackgatonegro> remote desktop? Well, there is grdesktop
[14:19] <Papa-Smurf> x11vnc
[14:19] <Papa-Smurf> there are many
[14:19] <Papa-Smurf> but i want to know which one works better with Xubuntu
[14:19] <blackgatonegro> grdesktop is basically a clone of the Microsoft one
[14:19] <Mathsterk> Papa-Smurf: tried x11vnc?
[14:20] <Papa-Smurf> i haven't tried any yet
[14:20] <Papa-Smurf> what i need to install x11vnc???
[14:20] <Mathsterk> well, try a solution, if you don't like it, try the next one :P
[14:20] <Papa-Smurf> xinetd ??
[14:20] <Mathsterk> sudo apt-get install x11vnc
[14:20] <blackgatonegro> Try grdesktop if you wanna use it with windows computers
[14:20] <Mathsterk> and it should do it automagically
[14:20] <Papa-Smurf> Mathsterk,  and that's all
[14:20] <Papa-Smurf> Mathsterk, ahh ok
[14:20] <Papa-Smurf> good
[14:21] <blackgatonegro> if is linux only, well yes, there are many many options.
[14:21] <Papa-Smurf> blackgatonegro, can i install both servers grdesktop and x11vnc??
[14:21] <Mathsterk> i always prefer vnc, because it isn't locked to one os and you find clients for almost every thing
[14:22] <Mathsterk> Papa-Smurf: i think you can install both
[14:22] <blackgatonegro> Well, yes, but make sure to only run one at the time.
[14:22] <Papa-Smurf> blackgatonegro, thanks
[14:23] <blackgatonegro> also try vnc
[14:23] <Papa-Smurf> i'm going to install x11vnc and if i'm not happy i will try other
[14:23] <Papa-Smurf> x11vnc does a have client?
[14:23] <blackgatonegro> grdesktop is mostly for those used to the Microsoft one
[14:24] <blackgatonegro> a gui? well, there are a few
[14:24] <Papa-Smurf> ok i'm going to install both and try at home
[14:24] <Papa-Smurf> but first i need more alcohol in my blood
[14:25] <Mathsterk> Papa-Smurf: x11vnc is a vnc server and cli-only, but i think there is some gui's for it as well
[14:25] <blackgatonegro> I have found a few guis, but none of them are top rated
[14:26] <Mathsterk> it's for ubuntu but that shouldn't matter: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC
[14:26] <Papa-Smurf> cli-only
[14:26] <blackgatonegro> again, grdesktop  is the easiest to use
[14:26] <Papa-Smurf> what i want i gui mostly
[14:26] <blackgatonegro> grdesktop  then
[14:26] <Papa-Smurf> as CLI i've got ssh
[14:27] <Papa-Smurf> let's try grdesktop then
[14:28] <Papa-Smurf> is it "Remotedesktop Client" in the software center?
[14:28] <Mathsterk> look for server
[14:28] <Papa-Smurf> it looks like yes
[14:28] <blackgatonegro> just type "grdesktop"
[14:28] <blackgatonegro> in the search bar
[14:29] <Papa-Smurf> only appears the client version
[14:29] <Mathsterk> or just do: sudo apt-get install grdesktop
[14:29] <blackgatonegro> tried with getdeb?
[14:29] <Papa-Smurf> ohh yes man
[14:30] <Mathsterk> anyone got a list of how "sudo services --status-all" looks like on a fresh install?
[14:30] <Papa-Smurf> I haven't taken so many drugs today
[14:30] <Papa-Smurf> but i think i can install it
[14:30] <blackgatonegro> well, try searchiching for ubuntu deb grdesktop on the ubuntu web searchers
[14:49] <Papa-Smurf> i couldn't find the server package fro grdesktop
[14:50] <holstein> SpaceAviator: maybe just vinagre/vino
[14:50] <holstein> SpaceAviator: sorry... Papa-Smurf ^
[14:50] <holstein> Papa-Smurf: also, depeding on your needs, teamviewer is quite easy and well supported, though not opensource
[14:51] <Papa-Smurf> holstein, yes i used teamviewer in the past
[14:51] <holstein> i have been enjoying the remmina viewer and i usually just use vino, running vino-preferences in the terminal to configure
[14:52] <Papa-Smurf> holstein, vino is probably the best
[14:52] <Papa-Smurf> i think
[14:53] <Papa-Smurf> i used it when my life was easy
[16:03] <habibjp> hello
[16:08] <habibjp> Can anyone help me with installing Xubuntu on a RAID0 array
[16:10] <baizon> habibjp: whats your problem?
[16:10] <habibjp> None yet. But i'm not sure how to go ahead installing.
[16:11] <habibjp> i have two disks (500gb each) in RAID0, set up on the motherboard
[16:11] <habibjp> im planning to install XP, then W7, then Xubuntu, all side-by-side
[16:12] <habibjp> so when i get to installing xubuntu, can i just install (alongside) as i normally would?
[16:12] <habibjp> or do i need drivers, like for windows
[16:12] <habibjp> or is it more complicated
[16:12] <habibjp> (sorry for my long-windedness)
[16:13] <craigbass1976> I have a samba share mounted up ( it's shared out and mounted by the same box ) but I can't delete files unless I'm at a command line.  Trying in the GUI gives me an error about not being able to find or create trash.
[16:16] <craigbass1976> !log
[16:18] <craigbass1976> habibjp, I just tried reading what you asked, but the log file ends right after you said hello.  I can only see (in here) from "so when I get..." down.
[16:20] <habibjp> craigbass1976, heres what i said: i have two disks (500gb each) in RAID0, set up on the motherboard im planning to install XP, then W7, then Xubuntu, all side-by-side so when i get to installing xubuntu, can i just install (alongside) as i normally would? or do i need drivers, like for windows or is it more complicated (sorry for my long-windedness)
[16:20] <habibjp> Apologies for my hiedous grammar
[16:20] <habibjp> and spelling
[16:21] <craigbass1976> habibjp, and spelling...  It's  hideous.  ;)
[16:22] <craigbass1976> habibjp, you're doing hardware raid then?
[16:23] <craigbass1976> Is your card on this: http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/category/RAID/
[16:27] <habibjp> i dont see it :(
[16:28] <habibjp> my RAID chip purports to be made by ATI
[16:35] <Sergio55> Hi all! I'm running xubuntu 12 and the problem is that desktop clock shows the time +1 hour more than real local. I've double checked time zone and location settings - these are set right. How do I fix that?
[16:35] <habibjp> is it stuck on/off daylight saving time perhaps
[16:36] <craigbass1976> or maybe your wife is trying to make sure you're early for stuff...
[16:37] <habibjp> so, as my raid chip isnt on the list, will i be unable to use xubuntu on my raid array? :(
[16:38] <Sergio55> okay then, what's the command to set timezone from console?
[16:39] <craigbass1976> habibjp, I'm not sure; I've only done software raid and it was before dapper...
[16:39] <habibjp> hmm
[16:39] <habibjp> i guess i could jsut boot from the install disc and see what happens?
[16:40] <habibjp> if it recognizes the drive i shouldn't have a problem, right?
[16:43] <Sergio55> habibjp, sorry to ask again, but what's the command to set timezone from console?
[16:43] <habibjp> sorry i don't know it
[16:43] <Sergio55> thanks anyway
[16:43] <habibjp> ill see if i can find out
[16:43] <Sergio55> got another question
[16:44] <craigbass1976> Sergio55, it's going to be date, but I don't know what the options are...
[16:45] <craigbass1976> Sergio55, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-set-date-time-from-linux-command-prompt/
[16:46] <Sergio55> in windows, when you use apps, it somehow remembers your current language selection for an app.  is it implemented/possible to install or configure on xubuntu?
[16:46] <genii-around> Sergio55: You wanted to set the time, or you want to set the timezone?
[16:47] <Sergio55> genii-around, timezone is set all right, but somehow clock on the desktop shows a hour more
[16:47] <Sergio55> genii-around, I just want to fix that
[16:48] <habibjp> you could always set it from BIOS
[16:48] <genii-around> Sergio55: Perhaps to use ntpd to set the time from a local tick server
[16:48] <Sergio55> genii-around, thanks for the tip, i'll dig that way
[16:49] <Sergio55> and about languages question?
[16:49] <genii-around> Sergio55: No idea offhand on that, I only ever use a single one on this system
[16:50] <Sergio55> i just simultaneously use two, and changing these every time you switch to another app is a real pain in the arse
[17:19] <craigbass1976> I have a samba share mounted up ( it's shared out and mounted by the same box ) but I can't delete files unless I'm at a command line.  Trying in the GUI gives me an error about not being able to find or create trash.
[17:20] <Dice> shift+del removes directly, without trash
[17:48] <lduros> can you do a live USB out of the XUBUNTU alternate iso?
[17:48] <lduros> I want to use xubuntu out of a usb flash drive? without ever installing it on the harddrive
[17:51] <Dice> you need livecd-image for live-usb, for permanent usage you should do actual installation on stick
[17:52] <lduros> Dice: hmm ok so how can I do that?
[17:52] <lduros> with a CD and instead of installing on the harddrive, i install on the usb?
[17:52] <lduros> hehe
[17:52] <lduros> sounds doable
[18:00] <craigbass1976> Dice, aha.  Thanks.  Any way to force it without confirmation?
[19:02] <rinzler> I'm having some major problems. I just started up my 12.04 machine and now there is only one workspace available (had 6), and the window buttons (close minimize maximize) are gone. I've tried rebooting and the whole nine yards. any ideas?
[19:04] <rinzler> also: none of the open windows are being shown in the Window Buttons panel item, and alt-tab doesn't work either.
[19:08] <Dice> rinzler: alt +F2 "xfwm4 --replace"
[19:09] <Dice> then rm -rf ~/.cache/sessions to remove corrupted session
[19:09] <rinzler> ahh! Perfect! Thanks, Dice!
[19:09] <Dice> np
[19:12] <Mathsterk> hmmz, now my disk won't be unmounted "disk or device is busy" or something
[19:15] <Dice> it's in a hurry, give it a moment
[19:15] <Dice> not viewing it's contents in any file manager window might help
[19:16] <Mathsterk> i'm not doing anything on it
[19:17] <Mathsterk> and the activity led is not flashing, weird
[20:01] <xubuntu209> Hello, I would like to know where to ask about updates and which ones to install for Xbuntu 12.04
[20:04] <Unit193> What's wrong with them?
[20:04] <well_laid_lawn> what do you want to know about the updates?
[20:05] <xubuntu209> Do I install all of the updates or do I need to go through the list and somehow select only the ones I want/need/should have.
[20:08] <Unit193> Generally you go with all.
[20:10] <drc> xubuntu209: From your nick I assume that you are irc'ing from the live cd install and are thinking about the first update after install?
[20:12] <xubuntu209> No, I am on a Windows system just surfing the net.  I have Xbuntu installed on another system.  It has been up and running for a couple of months.  I just see the update symbol every few days and have been installing them.  I have begun to wonder, however, if I was installing a bunch of stuff I do not need or want.
[20:13] <xubuntu209> You are correct abou the IRC part tho.
[20:14] <drc> ok...not to be insulting, but asking the question tells me that you probably want to take what's offered, until you have a bit more experience and can really tell what you want/need.
[20:16] <well_laid_lawn> why wouldn't you want to update a peice of software ? mostly updates are due to bugfixes or improvements
[20:16] <pleia2> updates to stable releases fix major bugs or security, so you want them :)
[20:16] <xubuntu209> No offense taken.  I am very new to linux/ubuntu/xbuntu.
[20:18] <xubuntu209> Ok, thanks for the great help.
[20:18] <Unit193> Kernel updates are the only ones that need reboots, most others just close the program and reopen (firefox)
[20:18] <drc> and when a reboot <is> required, the updated usually/always (?) tell you so :)
[20:20] <Unit193> Yes, yes it does.
[20:20] <xubuntu209> Thanks again.
[20:20] <Unit193> You can also check what program needs it by running   cat /var/run/reboot-required.pkgs
[20:21] <xubuntu209> How do I elegantly exit from this chat?
[20:22] <Unit193> /quit
[20:22] <Unit193> You could just close the tab as well, if you wish.
[20:22] <xubuntu209> thanks!
[20:55] <grifo74> hi how i run vmwareplayer
[20:55] <grifo74> i'm with xubuntu 12.04 lts 64bits
[20:55] <grifo74> i can't install patch dont work
[20:56] <asterismo> i need help
[20:56] <asterismo> please
[20:56] <asterismo> thunderbird wont open
[20:56] <asterismo> thunderbird crashes 2 seconds after opening
[20:57] <drc> grifo74: http://askubuntu.com/questions/151099/how-to-uninstall-vmware-player-on-ubuntu-12-04
[20:57] <drc> asterismo: rename ~/.thunderbird (the config files) and try to open it
[20:58] <Unit193> asterismo: You could reinstall it, or launch it from the terminal and see what output it'll give.
[20:58] <drc> grifo74: opps...my fault (trying to do 3 things at once), that was <uninstalll>...sorry
[20:59] <J03y_B> Hi everybody, never mind me, first time user just nosing around.
[20:59] <grifo74> no problem
[21:01] <grifo74> i resolv the proble download anothet patch the problem is in the patch
[21:02] <drc> J03y_B: There's a USD$5.00 cover charge, just place it in the box marked "Beer Money" over in the corner.
[21:05] <J03y_B> :)
[21:05] <J03y_B> done
[21:07]  * J03y_B is buying everyone beer...
[21:09] <J03y_B> ping drc
[21:13] <J03y_B> ....
[21:13] <asterismo> drc, ok, i'll try that
[21:14] <asterismo> drc, but i will loose all my email right?
[21:14] <drc> asterismo: not if you <rename> the folder...that way you can rename it back if/when.
[21:15] <drc> This was just to see if it was a config problem...if not, then try Unit193's (?) idea of re-installing
[21:16] <Unit193> Could also run the application from terminal, see where it's falling over.
[21:16] <drc> that too :)
[21:16] <drc> even better.
[21:16] <Unit193> Both are normal steps.
[21:17] <Unit193> Could strace it, that's always fun!  (Helped me a few times)
[21:18] <drc> for strange ideas of fun.....
[21:19] <Mathsterk> drc: on irc you will find geeks, and geeks don't like "normal" fun, they love "geeky" fun
[21:20] <drc> Mathsterk: ORLY?
[21:20] <Mathsterk> yes :o
[21:21] <xubuntu657> hello everyone. ive tried installing xubuntu on my dell latitude 120l laptop (768mb ram 1.7ghz cpu) several times. the first time it ran just fine without any problems. then all of a sudden when i tried booting, the screen went black and cpu light stopped blinking. i force shut down my pc, then tried again, this time it just simply froze during the splash screen and wouldnt boot. that was with a wubi install, i have also tried u
[21:22] <Mathsterk> cpu light?
[21:23] <xubuntu657> yeah, the little light that blinks when your computer is running (sorry if my terminology is off)
[21:23] <Mathsterk> hdd-activity led?
[21:24] <xubuntu657> yeah, i guess lol
[21:24] <Mathsterk> can you boot windows?
[21:25] <xubuntu657> yeah, windows runs just fine w/o problems
[21:25] <xubuntu657> right now im using the computer i want to put xubuntu on
[21:26] <Mathsterk> maybe a bad install?
[21:28] <xubuntu657> im not sure. ive tried quite a few times. my most recent attempt using lili to creat a bootable usb has gone the longest without freezing. i have also tried using the text based installation and that doesnt work either
[21:28] <xubuntu657> but i just redownloaded the os and im gonna try to make the usb again
[21:28] <Mathsterk> remember to check the md5 filesum
[21:29] <xubuntu657> how do i do that?
[21:29] <Mathsterk> just google it, "how to find md5 sum windows"
[21:30] <xubuntu657> ok
[21:32] <well_laid_lawn> !md5
[21:33] <Mathsterk> thanks well_laid_lawn :)
[21:33] <drc> xubuntu657: I'm confused. Are you saying you can install Xubuntu from a USB or that you can install, but then Xubuntu freezes after the install?
[21:33] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[21:33] <drc> er...can't then can :)
[21:34] <xubuntu657> i can install, but for some reason when i boot it up it freezes
[21:35] <Mathsterk> maybe xubuntu doesn't like wubi?
[21:35] <J03y_B> are you comfortable with the idea of creating a separate partition, installing Xubunto on there and multi-boot it?
[21:35] <well_laid_lawn> or it needs something like nomodeset in the kernel line
[21:35] <J03y_B> or you could run it as a live USB/CD
[21:37] <xubuntu657> i dont know how to manage partitions, and ive already tried running as a live usb and that doesnt work either
[21:37] <J03y_B> That's strange... what does not work if you try running it live?
[21:38] <Mathsterk> xubuntu657: i think xubuntu automagically can set the partitions up
[21:38] <J03y_B> and, to start with the beginning, how did you create your live USB?
[21:38] <Mathsterk> you just need to tell it how much space you want on xubuntu
[21:39] <J03y_B> The Ubuntu installers do a great job at repartitioning, the only thing you have to be sure of is that your windows partition is defragged, and that you have enough space left on your HDD
[21:39] <J03y_B> for testing purposes anything between 6 and 12 Gigs works allright...
[21:40] <xubuntu657> i used Lili, with a 4gb flash drive and i just followed the instructions, i formatted to fat32, i unchecked the hide files box, and checked the live usb box and clicked the lightning bolt
[21:40] <Mathsterk> i reccommend (if you are going to experiment) to give xubuntu 16-32 GiB :P
[21:41] <xubuntu657> and through my bios i set it to look for os in usb first
[21:41] <J03y_B> try UNetBootIn for windows, with the ISO you get of the Xubuntu site.
[21:42] <mongy> when all else fails, there's dd
[21:43] <J03y_B> when you start up your PC, in the boot splash screen you'll see a key-combination that brings you to a boot selection menu. (F10, or F12 mostly). If you press that you don't have to alter your BIOS, you can choose directly
[21:43] <Mathsterk> on the dells i have comed across it's usually esc or f1 i think
[21:44] <J03y_B> @mongy, I suspect the poster isn't familiar with Linux CLI yet...
[21:44] <xubuntu657> no
[21:44] <mongy> on my dell it's f12
[21:44] <J03y_B> I have a Dell, itś F12 since the beginning of time. :)
[21:44] <Mathsterk> it will say when you boot (look at the bottom part of the screen and look for "boot from device" or someting similiar"
[21:44] <Mathsterk> maybe f12 then
[21:45] <xubuntu657> but the installer boots from the usb, its just when it is at the screen that says xubuntu with the default desktop background, after a while it just freezes
[21:46] <J03y_B> So you are beyond the screen where you can choose to run Xubuntu Live?
[21:46] <J03y_B> .... or are you stuck there?
[21:47] <xubuntu657> no, i can get past that
[21:47] <drc> "Hry you guys" :)  It installs fine, but wont boot :)
[21:47] <xubuntu657> what drc said!
[21:47] <J03y_B> If you are stuck at that screen, it isn't installed yet...
[21:48] <drc> I quit
[21:52] <xubuntu657> so, now im using unetbootin to create the usb. i also did an md5 check, and it matches
[21:54] <mongy> never had any luck with unetbootin... dunno why, it always seemed to spaz out on me.
[21:54] <mongy> it's as easy to boot the iso directly these days.
[21:56] <xubuntu657> i tried using wubi, but it just doesnt want to boot
[21:56] <genii-around> If you spend more than 2 hours on trying to make a bootable usb, you could have bought an external dvd drive for the wages of that 2 hours
[21:58] <xubuntu657> i dont have a job, and i have been trying for over 3 days lol
[21:59] <xubuntu657> not just with the usb, but ive tried a couple install methods
[22:00] <xubuntu657> i will be back, gonna try and install another time
[22:01] <mongy> are you equiped enough to install xubuntu into a virtual machine?
[22:17] <xubuntu657> im back. im having the same problem as before:(
[22:26] <xubuntu657> everytime i try to install xubuntu (ive also tried lubuntu) my computer completely freezes up during the splash screen. the hdd light stops, and so does my usb light (i am trying to boot from a usb because i dont have any blank cd's)
[22:28] <Unit193> Have you tried the Alternate CD?
[22:29] <xubuntu657> yep, ive tried pretty much everything (wubi install, live usb using vbox emulator, usb-boot)
[22:29] <well_laid_lawn> you can turn off the splash screen during boot to fid out where it hangs
[22:29] <xubuntu657> how do i do that?
[22:31] <well_laid_lawn> at the grub menu select the kernel and press  e
[22:32] <well_laid_lawn> then select the kernel line and press  e  again
[22:32] <well_laid_lawn> move to the end and delete   splash then press b
[22:33] <xubuntu657> ok, thanks. i will try that in just a minute
[22:34] <xubuntu657> but since im currently using the computer on which to do the install i have to leave, but i will be back using the same username
[22:34] <well_laid_lawn> luck
[22:52] <xubuntu657> i am back. i turned off the splash, and the boot hangs at 3 lines. the first starting with 31.364903, the second starting with 31.366662 and the third starting with 31.368414
[22:52] <genii-around> Those are the timestamps... anything interesting writen on those lines|?
[22:52] <xubuntu657> and it gives me a website to go to and download a driver for my wireless card
[22:53] <xubuntu657> error, something about a fw file missing, ucode b43
[22:54] <xubuntu657> but idk how to install the driver if i cant boot xubuntu
[22:56] <genii-around> Is probably hanging on setting up the network
[22:56] <xubuntu657> yeah, i think that might be it. is there a way i can skip that step?
[22:57] <genii-around> xubuntu657: ctrl-c on the screen where it freezes will abort the current startup thing it's trying
[22:58] <xubuntu657> oh cool. and after that it just continues the setup normally?
[22:58] <genii-around> So it will go something like Setting up network    Fail!      and then continue
[22:59] <genii-around> xubuntu657: Pretty much
[22:59] <xubuntu657> oh cool. im gonna go try that now! thanks for the advice
[23:00] <ochosi> also
[23:00] <ochosi> (if i may step in)
[23:00] <ochosi> the b43 firmware should be available in the repos
[23:00] <ochosi> but you have to install it separately
[23:00] <genii-around> Yes, firmware-cutter or so
[23:00] <ochosi> it's annoying because it sometimes works in live-images
[23:01] <ochosi> and then you install, reboot and are left without network
[23:01] <Unit193> I'd recommend checking jockey first.
[23:02] <genii-around> !info b43-fwcutter
[23:02] <genii-around> Hm, that one may just be for pulling it out of the Windows .inf/.sys stuff
[23:03] <ochosi> yup, but still, it's as easy as installing any other package
[23:04] <genii-around> I guess you can mount the win partition, pull the firmware off it
[23:04] <ochosi> well he's gone already ;)
[23:06] <genii-around> Yup! Maybe we'll see him back if his wired connection works
[23:06]  * ochosi is keeping his fingers crossed
[23:15] <xubuntu657> so when my computer boots and hangs, i tried pressing ctrl-c, but it didnt seem to register any of my keyboard presses
[23:16] <genii-around> Bleh
[23:16] <xubuntu657> yeah. but i wrote down what it hangs on
[23:17] <xubuntu657> "b43-phy ERROR...   firmware file not found b43/ucode5.fw... firmware file not found b43-open/ucode5.fw
[23:21] <xubuntu657> nevermind, i googled the problem and i think i found a fix!
[23:21] <well_laid_lawn> do you have the link for the solution?
[23:26] <mongy> phy suggests you need the broadcom-wl driver
[23:57] <Kenshizl> Does anyone know how to get a network printer working? (I don't really know how to set it up to be recieved on xubuntu)


[20:01] <Pici> \o/
[20:02] <topyli> o/
[20:02] <AlanBell> o/
[20:03] <AlanBell> #startmeeting IRC Team
[20:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Nov 24 20:03:19 2013 UTC.  The chair is AlanBell. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[20:03] <AlanBell> hi all
[20:03] <Pici> howdy
[20:03] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda is the agenda
[20:04] <Pici> Do we have anything from last meeting to discuss?
[20:07] <AlanBell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/IRCC/20131027 was the last meeting
[20:07] <AlanBell> still not done many cloak removals :(
[20:08] <AlanBell> #topic Review last meetings action items
[20:08] <Pici> I think we have a few more anyway, I saw at least one get emailed to us recently.
[20:08] <AlanBell> yup, the script needs re-running and just processing
[20:09] <AlanBell> lets rattle through the rest of the agenda and then do that
[20:09] <AlanBell> #topic Open items in the IRCC tracker
[20:09] <AlanBell> no items in the tracker, I just checked
[20:09] <AlanBell> #topic Review Bugs related to the Ubuntu IRC Council
[20:09] <AlanBell> no new bugs reported
[20:09] <Pici> I just checked as well.
[20:09] <AlanBell> #topic Operator Applicants
[20:09] <AlanBell> we do have some operator applicants that we mentioned in the prior meeting
[20:10] <Pici> I spoke to someone the other day that expressed interest, I'm not sure if they applied or not though
[20:11] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~irc-lubuntu-ops seems to have one pending, I'd +1.
[20:12] <Pici> agreed
[20:12] <AlanBell> yup, lets just make that one happen :)
[20:13] <topyli> yes let's
[20:13] <AlanBell> gah, my irssi script has messed up, pici/topyli can you sort out the flags for that
[20:13] <Pici> sure
[20:14] <Unit193> (Already did.)
[20:14] <AlanBell> also xubuntu
[20:15] <Pici> done
[20:16] <Unit193> Pici: Don't like templates? ;)
[20:16] <Pici> Unit193: nope
[20:17] <AlanBell> ok, no membership applications on the agenda
[20:17] <AlanBell> #topic Any Other Business
[20:18] <AlanBell> I think the main thing to discuss is the nomination(s) for the next IRCC term
[20:18] <Pici> I suppose we have until the end of the month to get our nominations in.
[20:18] <AlanBell> yup, end of the month is the deadline
[20:19] <IdleOne> afaik only Tm_T has nominated himself, right?
[20:19] <AlanBell> the announcment has been on the mailing list and on the fridge/planet ubuntu
[20:19] <AlanBell> IdleOne: I believe that is the case at the moment
[20:19] <Pici> Personally, I'm waiting to see who else steps forward.
[20:21] <AlanBell> me too :)
[20:22] <topyli> i'm not
[20:22] <IdleOne> :/
[20:22]  * phunyguy giggles
[20:23] <AlanBell> so, is there something else we could be doing to encourage more nominations?
[20:24] <IdleOne> AlanBell: I doubt it
[20:24] <Pici> free parking?
[20:24] <IdleOne> haha
[20:25] <Unit193> The dark side has cookies, yes.
[20:27] <AlanBell> I was wondering if the recent open letter and discussions would prompt some people to nominate themselves/each other
[20:28] <AlanBell> or if it would put people off :/
[20:28] <IdleOne> it is unfortunate but I think many people are put off by it
[20:28] <AlanBell> yeah, I was rather disappointed by the timing of it when I saw it
[20:29] <IdleOne> I think the effect did not match the intent
[20:30] <IdleOne> hypothetical question, what would happen if there was no IRCC for a cycle ?
[20:31] <IdleOne> How would it effect the IRC team?
[20:31] <Unit193> Tm_T does it all.
[20:31] <AlanBell> interesting question
[20:31] <IdleOne> Unit193: I thought he already did :)
[20:32] <AlanBell> I am thinking we should schedule an IRC team meeting for next saturday, which is basically the deadline
[20:32] <IdleOne> but seriously, say there is no IRCC. Does it all explode?
[20:32] <AlanBell> at that meeting we can count up the nominations and figure out what happens next
[20:32] <phunyguy> What are the requirements for an IRCC seat?
[20:33] <IdleOne> need to be an ubuntu member
[20:33] <topyli> phunyguy: you must be an ubuntu member, that's it iirc
[20:33] <AlanBell> phunyguy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil
[20:33] <phunyguy> ah.  Ok then.
[20:33] <IdleOne> and it should be cushioned
[20:33] <IdleOne> I refuse to sit on a hard seat
[20:33] <phunyguy> (That page said everyone is welcome to apply)
[20:33] <AlanBell> and nominate yourself, and not be pruned by the CC
[20:33] <topyli> and get people to vote for you
[20:34] <topyli> childsplay!
[20:34] <IdleOne> a lot like US presidential elections if you think about it
[20:34] <AlanBell> phunyguy: yeah, it does, but it also lists the requirements Ubuntu membership (Essential)
[20:34] <phunyguy> yep i see it now.
[20:34] <IdleOne> AlanBell: +1 on scheduling a meeting for next Saturday
[20:35] <AlanBell> ok, anything else to discuss right now?
[20:35] <AlanBell> #endmeeting
[20:35] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Nov 24 20:36:06 2013 UTC.
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[20:36] <topyli> i say anyone who joins the meeting on saturday is auto-nominated!
[20:36] <AlanBell> thanks all, and I will set up a meeting for next saturday and mail the list/put it on the calendar
[20:36] <AlanBell> heh
[20:36] <IdleOne> thank you
[20:36] <topyli> thanks all
[20:36] <IdleOne> topyli: planning on a "unscheduled" internet failure :)
[20:37] <topyli> heh


[20:54] <z1haze> is it possible to add my user account to another's group so i can access his files as well?
[20:56] <bix_nood> BradPJ: kk, i'm back.
[20:56] <EpicCyndaquil> z1haze: yes. Google it, there's about 5 different utilities to modify permissions, one of them adds a user to a group, iirc
[20:56] <bix_nood> BradPJ: Well, lsblk says my sda5 is "/", sda6 is SWAP and sda7 is /home.
[20:56] <z1haze> sudo usermod -a -G group username right?
[20:56] <bix_nood> BradPJ: I guess it's okay.
[20:56] <EpicCyndaquil> that sounds right, z1haze
[20:56] <z1haze> ok awesome
[20:57] <BradPJ> bix_nood: Yeah that means that you have a seperate partition for /home. You can keep this when installing Ubuntu.
[20:57] <EpicCyndaquil> bix_nood: As long as you're very careful while installing, you should be able to preserve that home dir
[20:57] <z1haze> ok im confused then: ive added a new user, and by default the group they belong to is their name right? like john:john ?
[20:58] <z1haze> so I added my main user to the group john, but I still am not allowed to download files into his directory
[20:58] <bix_nood> EpicCyndaquil: So just remove .local and i'm ready to go?
[20:59] <EpicCyndaquil> bix_nood: it's more complicated than that. Check ALL of the files in ~ and make sure none of them are OS specific
[20:59] <EpicCyndaquil> anything application specific should be fine, like .vimrc
[20:59] <guest12141> hi, i am about to install ubuntu. i am on a desktop version live boot. i have windows preinstalled and i am in the manual setup process. its been a while since my last linux installation and i just need to recheck the partition setups.....
[20:59] <EpicCyndaquil> check .bashrc and such for anything unique though
[20:59] <guest12141> would someone help me setup the partitions?? i am alreadz in ubuntu manual setup screen
[21:00] <zeitsofa> bix_nood: I think the best way to save your files is, move /home/yourusername to /home/yourusername.old bevor during the install. After install move the files you need back to /home/yourusername
[21:00] <bix_nood> zeitsofa: and that's a damn good advice
[21:00] <EpicCyndaquil> zeitsofa's suggestion is probably best, bix_nood
[21:00] <bix_nood> Thanks guys, torrenting xubuntu.
[21:01] <bix_nood> Does it take long to install via WLAN?
[21:01] <bix_nood> it would be nice to get it done before midnight.
[21:01] <guest12141> bix_nood: wlan is as good as LAN...
[21:01] <guest12141> depends on your internet connection.
[21:02] <bix_nood> Well my internet connection is 60/20 but my wireless card kinda cuts it down.
[21:02] <bix_nood> Nevermind, thanks for the advice, gotta go.
[21:02] <guest12141> 60\20?
[21:02] <BradPJ> He meant 60 down, 20 up.
[21:02] <EpicCyndaquil> guest12141: What partition help do you need, specifically?
[21:02] <guest12141> ah ye i see
[21:03] <guest12141> but most wlan connection are better than 54 megabits these daus
[21:03] <guest12141> EpicCyndaquil: thank you. ubuntu is asking for device for boot loader install
[21:04] <guest12141> EpicCyndaquil: does it ask me for the root directory later on????
[21:04] <EpicCyndaquil> guest12141: that's where you specify the hard drive you plan to boot to
[21:04] <guest12141> or is that the only [path i specifiy
[21:04] <EpicCyndaquil> anyway, I have to go, someone else will help you out guest12141
[21:04] <guest12141> EpicCyndaquil: i thought this is where i want to install bootloader
[21:05] <BradPJ> guest12141: Genereally you want to use the hard drive you are installing too. i.e. sda or sdb. Without the partition number.
[21:05] <guest12141> i am about to chooe a 4GB dev&sda6
[21:05] <BradPJ> guest12141 Thats for the bootloader.
[21:05] <guest12141> BradPJ: . i wont do sda... i have windows preinstalled. i am about to install EaszBCD
[21:05] <guest12141> so dev sda6 is good to me
[21:05] <BradPJ> guest12141: /dev/sda6 for what exactly?
[21:06] <guest12141> BradPJ: for the bootloader. just.
[21:06] <guest12141> 4GB is to much i know``
[21:06] <gdfsjsdfj> why doesnt freenode allow me to connect through my irc client?
[21:06] <gdfsjsdfj> why doesnt freenode allow me to connect through my irc client?
[21:06] <guest12141> but thats not my concern. i wonder if ubunutu asks me for root and home after BradPJ
[21:07] <BradPJ> guest12141: I can't remember the install proccess so can't say in what order everything occurs.
[21:07] <alexandre> Wesh ya pas d'la gonz ?
[21:07] <guest12141> BradPJ: i have to click "install now" thats why i am actually concerned about
[21:08] <BradPJ> guest12141: I wouldn't click it unless you know what you have done to your partitons.
[21:08] <alexandre> Bryan is in the kitchen
[21:08] <guest12141> BradPJ:  but it actually just asks for "device for bootloader installation"
[21:08] <guest12141> yep
[21:08] <guest12141> i make the partition 20GB and if it asks me for another partition  i jump back and decrease the size
[21:08] <guest12141> best solution i guess
[21:08] <Voyage> are these changing results of nmap so rapidly, a distribution bug on my side?  http://pastie.org/9146948
[21:09] <zeitsofa> guest12141: u want to install grub normally to first disk. /dev/sda may the right on I think
[21:09] <BradPJ> guest12141: I can't really help any further. All I suggest is make sure you know what you are doing with the partitions, especially since you are trying to retain Windows.
[21:09] <zeitsofa> right one i mean
[21:10] <guest12141> zeitsofa: i know. usually. but i prefer to use EasyBCD . have windows linux dual boot later on
[21:10] <guest12141> and i wont use grub as bootloader
[21:11] <BradPJ> Yeah you normally want to install grub to the disk you have installed to. You install to a partition if you are chainloading as it seems guest12141 is doing.
[21:11] <k1l> dualboot is easy with grub
[21:12] <guest12141> k1l: i dislike the grub layouyt.. windows bootloader just is as my bios looks like... grub is special :p
[21:12] <mgolisch_> Voyage: this your server?
[21:13] <guest12141> ah, there you go. ubuntu doesnt install. i have to define root partition. well done
[21:13] <mgolisch_> Voyage: does it realy have that many open ports?
[21:13] <bng> hi all, is it on purpose that in 14.04 in Nautilus the menu button from upper right corner disappeared?
[21:13] <guest12141> 400MB for bootloader should be enough ???
[21:14] <zeitsofa> guest12141: for using EasyBCD u need chainloading. So best practice is the way BradPJ was telling u. U have to write grub into the MBR of the partition ubuntu was installed.
[21:14] <guest12141> zeitsofa: no. it will work
[21:14] <Voyage> mgolisch_, .. dont know. my thumb imp machine
[21:14] <bng> also, is it just me, or does CTRL-A really do nothing in Nautilus in 14.04
[21:14] <bekks> guest12141: the bootloader takes about 5M. The kernel(s) take much more space.
[21:14] <guest12141> had it done once zeitsofa
[21:15] <darkseid> Greetings peels..
[21:15] <guest12141> bekks: what would you recommend bekks ?
[21:15] <bekks> guest12141: 512M for /boot
[21:15] <darkseid> Does UP Clock run in KDE anyway?
[21:15] <guest12141> oki...
[21:16] <Promit> i need help with a ubuntu that hangs on boot
[21:16] <Jordan_U> guest12141: I would recommend not using a separate /boot/ at all.
[21:16] <Promit> in recovery mode, i can fire up the root shell
[21:16] <Promit> any other choice hangs
[21:17] <guest12141> becks. whats the right option for the bootloader partition>??? "efi boot partition"???? is it that?
[21:17] <bekks> !uefi | guest12141
[21:18] <ln_> do I need to install something inside my vm guest to use QXL Video + Spice VD, I want to set my resolution to 1366x768 but its not available (debian testing gnome3 guest)
[21:21] <skinux> Anyone know if something like the following has ever been considered: Web-based interactive troubleshooting tool/app, kind of a mix of survey questions (to collect info necessary for assisting) and instructions of how to do various tasks throughout troubleshooting?
[21:22] <azathoth99> hi gents
[21:22] <ferret_commander> anyone here using iSCSI?
[21:23] <ln_> join #kvm
[21:33] <ferret_commander> wow admin market is tight
[21:33] <ferret_commander> cheaper offers now
[21:33] <ferret_commander> I fail to see why more name based vhosts are used instead of kvm
[21:33] <ferret_commander> weak
[21:34] <m1chael> i just upgraded to 14.04 LTS from 13.10(?) ... everything seems OK, although when i close my laptop lid, the laptop never wakes up.. it sounds like things spin "on", but the screen stays black... if i just walk away from the laptop- and the screen goes black- it wakes up fine.... any ideas on this?
[21:35] <Meepers> hey guys i need some help im trying out xubuntu remix but i even had this problem in xubuntu when i tried it. where is the additional drivers?
[21:35] <Meepers> i can't get my wireless working :I
[21:35] <holstein> !wifi | Meepers
[21:36] <Meepers> but where is the device manager
[21:37] <holstein> Meepers: the link i gave explains how to find your chipset, and potentially provide support for your hardware.. did you refer to it?
[21:37] <Meepers> Oh ok il do it now
[21:40] <xangua> I have the indicator printer service running, but I don't see the indicator on my panel; what could be wrong? How can I manually open the printer window?
[21:45] <Shelly_> help? i just did a dist_update and volume controls on my multimedia kbd stopped (12.04). Any ideas?
[21:46] <holstein> Shelly_: dist-upgrade? or you were running 13.10 and upgrade to 14.04? or what exactly?
[21:47] <Shelly_> maybe it was dist-update (it was last week), it was 12.04 to 12.04
[21:47] <holstein> Shelly_: 12.04 to 14.04?
[21:47] <skinux> To anyone who tried to help solve my problem with desktop background/icons/right-click, it has now been resolved. A forum responder provided instruction to solve the issue using dconf-editor.
[21:48] <holstein> Shelly_: so, last week, you broke your keyboard commands doing "something" of an update?
[21:48] <Shelly_> holstein: no , it was just updating packages, in same 12.04, yes :)
[21:50] <Anonymous> Hello Anons
[21:50] <Gandi> aye!
[21:50] <holstein> Shelly_: so, you are in 12.04.. please open a terminal and run " sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and share any errors.. if none, reboot and test
[21:50] <Shelly_> holstein: i want to stay on 12.04
[21:52] <Anonymous> Hello
[21:53] <Anonymous> Hello
[21:54] <holstein> Shelly_: sure.. that command doesnt move you from 12.04
[21:54] <Kawaiola> Okay so I managed to make the my IP address static, however I can't reach the outside world any ideas of what I did wrong?
[21:55] <holstein> Shelly_: that just ensures you do have all updates, and allows the system to kick out error messages that can help a volunteer determine if you have a system error
[21:55] <Phoenixz> So now that I have 14.04, every so often my wifi suddenly disconnects and won't reconnect anymore, unless I reboot. I found that if I remove the wifi driver  rmmod rtl8192se then modprobe rtl8192se all works fine again. Is this a known bug?
[21:56] <holstein> Phoenixz: could be.. did you find a bug? are you up to date with upgrades?
[21:56] <carl05> hi
[21:56] <Phoenixz> umm, upgraded just a few days ago.. Mayhaps a fix was added in the last few days?
[21:59] <Shelly_> holstein: looks like it's only updating SSL stuff...
[22:00] <bix_nood> just came to say thanks, everything worked fine.
[22:02] <Shelly_> holstein: looks like it completed, u think reboot is warranted? http://pastebin.com/htN3vkuq
[22:03] <ferret_commander> reboot everything!!
[22:04] <ferret_commander> apt-get update -y && apt-get upgrade -y
[22:04] <ferret_commander> reboot!
[22:04] <viper474> Bashing-om: bro, sup? seen klutz?
[22:05] <viper474> ferret_: you mean: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade -y && sudo shutdown -r now
[22:06] <Bashing-om> viper474: , yeah, I been check'n. nada yet .. no news is good news (??) .. good to read ya !
[22:06] <viper474> ferret_commander: sorry, meant previous to you
[22:06] <chaotix> hi.  i am flashing a router with dd-wrt, and one of the steps to the process, as shown here:http://dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Linksys_WRT54G_v5.0_%26_5.1_%26_6.0 , is to "Set a static IP on your computer to <IP_ADDRESS>. Subnet mask should be <IP_ADDRESS>".  i know that i have to "sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces", but i do not know what the text of interfaces should look like.,..  i just want to make sure that i do this properly..
[22:06] <chaotix> thanks in advance
[22:06] <Shelly_> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[22:06] <ferret_> ferret_commander: You're not the boss of me. :|
[22:08] <Shelly_> i can't reboot right now, but i think since it only did SSL upgrades, audio wouldn't be affected?
[22:09] <Shelly_> audio, meaning multimedia controls
[22:12] <viper474> chaotix: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/ right after defining physical interfaces title
[22:13] <viper474> chaotix: change address to <IP_ADDRESS> and gateway to whatever the router uses
[22:13] <daftykins> chaotix: there is absolutely no reason to permanently configure a static IP
[22:13] <daftykins> a gateway isn't needed if you're just flashing a router
[22:14] <Jordan_U> chaotix: Is the computer you're configuring a Desktop (with a GUI) or a server (without a GUI)?
[22:14] <viper474> daftykins: set him straight bro, cuz I dunno what's up. I'm just supplying some info =)
[22:15] <daftykins> viper474: np :)
[22:16] <daftykins> chaotix: are you alive? :)
[22:17] <SJr> How do I change the value of /proc/sys/kernel/core_uses_pid
[22:17] <chaotix> sorry, daftykins and Jordan_U
[22:17] <chaotix> thanks for the help
[22:18] <chaotix> it is a desktop...
[22:18] <viper474> chaotix: you're going to have a fun time trying to get step 8 of that guide working
[22:18] <daftykins> chaotix: so if you're just flashing the router, just run "ifconfig eth0 <IP_ADDRESS> netmask <IP_ADDRESS>" you'll lose internet connectivity but flash the router then, then just reboot to get a proper IP from DHCP again as you normally would
[22:18] <chaotix> aw mannnn
[22:18] <chaotix> ok, cool
[22:18] <chaotix> thanks, daftykins
[22:18] <daftykins> viper474: haha a fair point
[22:19] <chaotix> someone else just told me i should use open wrt instead
[22:19] <chaotix> does anyone here have any experience with either of these, or any of the alternatives?
[22:19] <SJr> I have experience with dd-wrt  and openwrt
[22:19] <chaotix> i am just looking to use this router as a wifi adapter for a computer
[22:19] <daftykins> ^ i run dd-wrt on something
[22:20] <chaotix> which one will be easiest to use to accomplish this?
[22:20] <daftykins> i'd imagine Wi-Fi bridge would be a more appropriate attempt
[22:20] <daftykins> probably the same
[22:20] <SJr> I like openwrt better. It may be a function of the router, but dd-wrt always seemed flaky on my WRT54GS. OpenWRT was easier to setup and manage from the command line, and really has just worked now for 3 years.
[22:20] <chaotix> a network bridge wont work because the other computer is going to be in another room
[22:21] <chaotix> SJr, thanks
[22:21] <chaotix> so since i am using linux to configure it, openwrt would be a better option then
[22:21] <chaotix> i am using a wrt54g v6
[22:22] <daftykins> not sure i see any reason for Linux influencing the firmware you put on a device
[22:22] <ferret_commander> no
[22:22] <ferret_commander> su -
[22:22] <ferret_commander> then run apt stuff
[22:22] <ferret_commander> I hate sudo
[22:22] <Ben64> well, you're wrong ferret_commander
[22:22] <ferret_commander> wrong about what?
[22:22] <ferret_commander> I am never wrong!
[22:22] <chaotix> "OpenWRT was easier to setup and manage from the command line"
[22:22] <ferret_commander> lol
[22:22] <daftykins> ferret_commander: thats not how you do it.
[22:22] <Ben64> should never use su like that
[22:22] <ferret_commander> uh
[22:22] <ferret_commander> works for me!!
[22:23] <ferret_commander> lol
[22:23] <ferret_commander> dutch!!
[22:23] <Ben64> and especially don't suggest it here, and please stop using enter as punctuation
[22:23] <daftykins> just because something works doesn't make it a good idea
[22:23] <ferret_commander> vot republican
[22:23] <chaotix> if using ubuntu, i think you have to do sudo su... su will not work
[22:23] <daftykins> chaotix: heh the devices are more often configured by web admin anyway
[22:23] <Ben64> sudo su is also a terrible idea, please do not do that either
[22:23] <Kawaiola> Anyone ever have a problem with setting a static ip and not being able to connect to anything on the outside world?
[22:23] <daftykins> chaotix: no that's bad practice too
[22:23] <ferret_commander> but I did it last week
[22:23] <ferret_commander> su -
[22:23] <ferret_commander> enter root pass
[22:23] <ferret_commander> #
[22:23] <daftykins> my troll detection alarm is going off
[22:23] <Ben64> ferret_commander: thats nice, please don't say that here though
[22:23] <Shelly_> rebooted, still no audio multimedia controls from my k400 keyboard... ...
[22:24] <Shelly_> audio controls worked in 12.04 before upgrade, frustraighting!
[22:26] <seanp2k> can someone explain why initctl can't see apache? http://hastebin.com/aciyuduzil.pl
[22:26] <chaotix> ok thanks for the hep guys...  bye  :)
[22:26] <chaotix> i will check back with results in about 2 hours
[22:27] <Shelly_> audio controls worked in 12.04 before upgrade, frustraighting!
[22:27] <terabit> wow ็็็็็้้้้้็็็็้้้้้็็็็็้้้้้็็็็็้้้้้็็็็็้้้้้ ด็็็็็้้้้้็็็็้้้้้็็็็็้้้้้็็็็็้้้้้็็็็็้้้้้ ด็็็็็้้้้้็็็็้้้้้็็็็็้้้้้็็็็็้้้้้็็็็็้้้้้
[22:28] <Meerkat> I'm having issues with xscreensaver, I think. The locked screen password field keeps popping up randomly, but it is not functional. If I move my mouse around the proper desktop is getting rendered properly again. Running Xubuntu 14.04.
[22:28] <seanp2k> I'm on 14.04 LTS. it seems that while both `apache2ctl status` and `service apache2 status` do what I expect, initctl has no idea about apache. This seems wrong.
[22:30] <chaotix> SJr, since you have done this before, can you assist me in flashing my wrt54g v6 router with open-wrt?
[22:30] <SJr> I cannot sorry, I haven't done it in a number of years. There is an #openwrt channel though I thought.
[22:30] <chaotix> ok thanks
[22:31] <SJr> It might be on oftc though
[22:31] <daftykins> chaotix: sure you can't beg/borrow/ a windows machine for 5 minutes ;)
[22:31] <daftykins> looks pretty simple.
[22:31] <daftykins> i'm sure you can do the TFTP stuff on Linux too but i have no idea where to start with that
[22:31] <chaotix> yeah i have a windows one
[22:32] <chaotix> well, i have windows installed on this, i just have to reboot
[22:32] <daftykins> chaotix: make it so!
[22:43] <Praxi> so I am trying to put a hard drive into a high end workstation/server.  The hard drive is connected via sata and uses a dock.  if I run lsblk I don't see the hard drive, unless I reboot the server.  Is there anything in ubuntu I can do to refresh that without rebooting the server?
[22:44] <mgolisch_> Praxi: rescan scsi bus?
[22:44]  * Praxi goes to google with new search terms
[22:45] <Jordan_U> Praxi: Are you sure that your SATA controller and this dock both support hot swapping of drives?
[22:46] <Praxi> Yes Jordan_U, worked when it was a windoze box
[22:47] <Praxi> I haven't verified that the bios is set to ACHI, I suppose someone could of turned that off by the time it got to me
[22:47] <mgolisch_> yeah maybe
[22:49] <Shelly_> can anyone help me get my multimedia (voluma) keyboard keys working? they worked before 12.04 upgrade
[22:53] <holstein> Shelly2: did you reboot after running the commands i gave?
[22:54] <Shelly2> holstein: yes
[22:54] <holstein> Shelly2: ok, and the multimedia keys still are not working as they once did?
[22:54] <holstein> Shelly2: have you tried as the guest user?
[22:54] <Shelly2> correct
[22:54] <Shelly2> no
[22:54] <holstein> Shelly2: please login as "guest" and try them
[22:55] <holstein> Shelly2: this is a laptop,correct?
[22:58] <ryan_46> Does anyone know what the latest kernel is running on 12.04 Precise?
[22:58] <Shelly2> holstein: didn't work as guest either
[22:58] <holstein> ryan_46: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuDesktop#PrecisePangolin.2BAC8-ReleaseNotes.2BAC8-CommonInfrastructure.Ubuntu_Kernel_3.11
[22:59] <ryan_46> holstein:  Thanks
[22:59] <holstein> Shelly2: you can try an older kernel.. from grub, which if hidden, you show by pressing shift at boot, after the bios screens.. then, select "previous" and try an older kernel
[22:59] <holstein> Shelly2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LaptopSpecialKeys is the ultimate documentation that will help you
[23:07] <Shelly2> holstein: it is hard for me to reboot (grub/older kernel), and i didn't gleen anything from that link...
[23:07] <holstein> Shelly2: sure.. its complex if its not just "magically working" like it was
[23:07] <Shelly2> holstein: i guess i shouldn't have upgraded...
[23:08] <holstein> Shelly2: what do i suggest? try a live CD.. entertain the fact that the hardware could have broken.. try and boot an older kernel and see if the kernel update is the issue
[23:08]  * agamotto bows
[23:08] <agamotto> Hallo, everyone
[23:08] <holstein> Shelly2: for me, some keyboard shortcuts are not a priority over updates. and you are assuming that its an update that broke them
[23:08] <Promit> if anyone has any ideas on this i'd really appreciate it http://askubuntu.com/questions/461962/system-hangs-on-boot-black-purple-screen
[23:08] <holstein> Shelly2: it likely was an update.. and i think you should try the older kernel. have you?
[23:09] <holstein> Shelly2: you reboot.. press shift after the bios screen.. choose "previous" from the list, and select an older kernel.. they are in pairs with recovery.. you just select them with the arrow keys and press enter
[23:09] <Shelly2> holstein: i'll reboot and select alt kernel when i can, in about 12 hours, thanks for your effort
[23:10] <holstein> Shelly2: why can you not reboot the machine now? are you remote into the machine? if so, that can affect this..
[23:12] <Shelly_> holstein: it is a working surveillance system
[23:12] <Shelly_> holstein: i am local and using console, thanks
[23:15] <robjloranger> Has anyone had issues waking video from suspend with the 3.15 kernel?
[23:15] <barbara> Any idea why I'm getting literally hundreds of "Authenticate to Wireless" popups
[23:15] <barbara> yet I'm connected
[23:16] <holstein> robjloranger: not relating to that kernel, but on specific hardware, sure.. where are you getting that kernel? it could be the issue, i suppose
[23:17] <robjloranger> i got it from the mainline http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.15-rc4-utopic/
[23:17] <barbara> connect automatically is on
[23:17] <barbara> so is available for all users
[23:17] <holstein> barbara: could be you are being offered to authenticate, via a web portal, even though you are connected
[23:17] <holstein> barbara: is it your access point
[23:18] <holstein> robjloranger: mainlines are not released, officially.. that could be the deal.. are you just testing for the kernel team?
[23:18] <barbara> holstein: I'm getting hundreds of these windows when my computer wakes up
[23:18] <holstein> barbara: only after suspend?
[23:19] <barbara> yes
[23:19] <barbara> far as i can tell
[23:19] <robjloranger> no i had to upgrade to avoid another issue with 3.13 kernel where my network connectivity suffered terrible lag spikes, like 4 or 5 second response times
[23:19] <Bray90820> Is it possible to create and restore a system image of ubuntu like you can on windows
[23:19] <holstein> barbara: does it happen *only* after suspend?
[23:19] <barbara> im not sure to be honest
[23:19] <barbara> but i only have one wireless network on the keyring
[23:19] <holstein> Bray90820: yes
[23:19] <barbara> and it is supplied with the proper WPA2 password
[23:19] <holstein> Bray90820: actually, you'd have to see how its done in windows.. but, clonezilla can do both
[23:20] <robjloranger> yes i recomemend clonezilla
[23:20] <holstein> barbara: are you up to date with upgrades?
[23:20] <Shelly2> holstein: took a gamble and rebooted, shift didn't pull up boot menu...
[23:20] <holstein> Shelly2: sure.. you are looking for the grub menu
[23:20] <barbara> yeah update && upgrade
[23:21] <barbara> this happens on linux based os's debian & ubuntu
[23:21] <robjloranger> holstein: it's not a super big deal though as i can still just boot the previous 3.11 kernel. just wonderingif anyone else had noticed
[23:21] <barbara> ive had this issue with another laptop
[23:21] <holstein> Shelly2: http://askubuntu.com/questions/82140/how-can-i-boot-with-an-older-kernel-version suggests easy ways of showing grub, if you want
[23:21] <barbara> there must be somethin wrong with the nm-applet
[23:21] <barbara> -g
[23:21] <holstein> Shelly2: this is *not* a fix, but a troubleshooting step.. to test the older kernel. dont wast much time here on it.. just try the older kernel. you can do what with the live CD you installed from
[23:22] <holstein> barbara: on other hardware with different wifi chip? not the same wifi dongle? correct?
[23:22] <barbara> yes
[23:22] <holstein> barbara: its something to do with either you configuring, or that specific access point and linux.. have you found a bug ?
[23:23] <barbara> its related to network manager the issue
[23:23] <barbara> not my hardware
[23:23] <Bray90820> holstein: i don't really care how windows does it all i want to do is transfer my ubuntu install from one HDD to another
[23:23] <robjloranger> Bray90820: try clonezilla
[23:23] <robjloranger> Bray90820: it's what i used to move my ubuntu from one hdd to another when i got a larger drive
[23:23] <holstein> Bray90820: ok.. you asked about windows.. i suggest clonezilla.. if you want, as you asked, to do it "like in windows" you'll need to ask in a windows channel how its done there
[23:24] <holstein> though, clonezilla supports windows and linux cloning
[23:24] <barbara> someone suggested ignoring IPV6
[23:24] <barbara> "Hi, I know this is an old thread, but I just had the same problem on a new install of Ubuntu 12.04. To fix the issue, I went to the IPv6 settings for the network in question, and selected ignore under the "Method" drop-down menu. "
[23:24] <Beldar> clonezilla saves the mbr if your using it
[23:24] <barbara> not sure how that would help
[23:24] <Bray90820> robjloranger: i was just using windows as an example didn't really care if it was windows
[23:24] <robjloranger> Bray90820: with CZ you just have to have the same size or larger size destination drive
[23:24] <robjloranger> or partition
[23:25] <Bray90820> robjloranger: can i transfer the install to a new hard drive while it's connected externally
[23:25] <holstein> Bray90820: yes
[23:25] <robjloranger> yes
[23:25] <Bray90820> So then i just pop the new drive into the computer and i am done?
[23:25] <holstein> Bray90820: you can do *exactly* what you are asking to do with the tool clonezilla ..http://clonezilla.org/
[23:25] <robjloranger> yep, it even clones the drive id
[23:25] <Bray90820> Hum ok
[23:25] <Bray90820> Thanks
[23:26] <holstein> Bray90820: that depends.. you can clone the drive.. if the drivers support the new hardware, then yes
[23:26] <Bray90820> holstein: i am putting a new drive in the same system
[23:26] <Bray90820> It's just an HDD upgrade
[23:26] <holstein> Bray90820: the linux kernel is modular, and there is a good chance that can happen.. but, you would want to remove any proprietary drivers before moving to different hardware
[23:26] <robjloranger> it will be fine then
[23:27] <Bray90820> holstein: robjloranger thanks
[23:27] <robjloranger> so long as it;s the same type of drive, i.e. SSD or ESATA or SATA
[23:27] <tapout> when you guys check a drive, do you bother with badblocks?  I've got 2 1TB drives I have had sitting around and I don't recall why.  I checked smartctl -a, no errors.  Should I bother with badblocks or what ?
[23:28] <Bray90820> robjloranger: it's an SSD to an HDD both sata  that i will be connecting through usb
[23:29] <robjloranger> ya sorry, as long as it's sata to sata, not IDE or something as the drive designations would be different.. like /dev/hda vs /dev/sda
[23:30] <Jordan_U> tapout: I personally wouldn't bother with badblocks, but with or without badblocks you should be making regular and tested backups of important data.
[23:30] <robjloranger> tapout: what do you mean by bother with bad blocks?
[23:33] <r_Lab> Hi
[23:34] <robjloranger> hi
[23:39] <Shelly2> holstein: tried 2 prior kernels, (3.2.0-48, and -45), neither helped multimedia keys :(
[23:39] <holstein> Shelly2: so, the hardware can still be broken. or another upgrade is breaking your system
[23:39] <loa> is steam client working?
[23:40] <robjloranger> mine is
[23:40] <loa> check if it is really connected please
[23:40] <Shelly2> holstein: i also tried 2nd keyboard, no luck
[23:40] <holstein> Shelly2: i would try the live CD that i installed from.. then, i would know the keys should be working.. then, the document i gave is the "best" resource
[23:40] <loa> or if you can do relog.
[23:40] <robjloranger> loa: sure one sec
[23:40] <holstein> !steam | loa
[23:40] <loa> holstein, ok
[23:41] <Shelly2> i'll have to create a 12.04 live usb i guess...
[23:41] <robjloranger> loa: nope sory, it's dead
[23:41] <loa> =/
[23:41] <loa> thx
[23:41] <robjloranger> loa: there is a website to help you check, www.issteamdown.com
[23:41] <loa> you really helped.
[23:41] <holstein> Shelly2: or read the official documentation for how to provide the support.. there are commands to run to see if the keys are sending anything..
[23:41] <robjloranger> loa: i know i hate that lol right when i want to play
[23:42] <loa> i thought i have network problems.
[23:42] <holstein> loa: you are.. just not on your end, it seems
[23:43] <Shelly2> holstein: the keys to show working in Settings->Keyboard->Short cuts... but no graphic for volume activity
[23:43] <holstein> Shelly2: sure.. those are settings
[23:43] <Shelly2> the keys do
[23:43] <Shelly2> but if i re-define, they register
[23:43] <holstein> Shelly2: that doesnt tell you anything.. you can see those without any keyboard installed
[23:44] <innocent95> Hi
[23:44] <holstein> Shelly2: ok.. thats the proceedure i would follow. test with a known-supported OS.. and go from there
[23:44] <ComviqKali> paying 0.10 btc to whoever get my drivers / 3g modem connected
[23:44] <Shelly2> holstein: and if that works?
[23:44] <robjloranger> innocent95: hello
[23:44] <innocent95> is there a command to install slackware boost package directly ?
[23:44] <Shelly2> holstein: live cd
[23:44] <holstein> Shelly2: then, you know  your hardware is functioning properly, and its something in your installation
[23:45] <Shelly2> holstein: before i upgraded it was working fine
[23:45] <ComviqKali> Does anyone know 3g usb dongles well enough to make some quick money and help me out of misery?
[23:45] <holstein> innocent95: this is the ubuntu support channel.. i think there is #slackware
[23:45] <holstein> Shelly2: ok..
[23:45] <innocent95> okay
[23:45] <holstein> Shelly2: this will confirm the hardware isnt broken. otherwise, file a bug
[23:45] <holstein> !bug | Shelly2
[23:45] <mister_m> in 14.04 Desktop, how can I configure my install to be terminal only? I don't want to boot into the desktop at all
[23:46] <holstein> Shelly2: you'll want to find someone with the same issue you have.. and you are welcome to wait..
[23:46] <holstein> mister_m: why not just install minimal?
[23:46] <holstein> !Mini | mister_m
[23:47] <robjloranger> mister_m: edit your /etc/default/grub like so 'GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="text"'
[23:47] <robjloranger> mister_m: then update grub via 'sudo update-grub'
[23:52] <ComviqKali> any guru wanna help me ? :) would be much apriciated worked with this for few days and havent got it working
[23:53] <robjloranger> what version of ubuntu and which dongle are you trying to use? what exactly is happening?
[23:54] <ComviqKali> im using ZTE MF 190 HSUPA
[23:54] <ComviqKali> i've followed a bunch of guides, used usb modeswitch and what not on both ubuntu, bt , kali none of it seems to work
[23:54] <ComviqKali> but i read other people have got it to work
[23:54] <ComviqKali> I just need someone to work this out for me for payment cuz I rly need it to be working :(
[23:55] <ComviqKali> if i use other 3G dongles it works fine just that this brand for some reason is detected as a storage or something
[23:55] <ComviqKali> I'll pay to get this done
[23:55] <robjloranger> can you pastebin the following;
[23:55] <robjloranger> uname -a
[23:55] <robjloranger> lsusb
[23:55] <robjloranger> lsmod
[23:55] <robjloranger> usb-devices
[23:55] <robjloranger> rather, the results of the following :)
[23:55] <ComviqKali> http://pastebin.com/keniMiNh
[23:56] <ComviqKali> i have this from yesterday
[23:56] <robjloranger> lol ok
[23:57] <ComviqKali> only thing that changed is the modem now is 19d2:1225
[23:57] <ComviqKali> because i plugged it out and in
[23:57] <ComviqKali> PLEASE someone just help me get this running this is driving me crazy
[23:57] <robjloranger> if you see the driver is listed as usb-storage, not modem
[23:58] <robjloranger> try installing usb-modeswitch,  "sudo apt-get install usb-modeswitch usb-modeswitch-data"
[23:58] <holstein> ComviqKali: well, ideally, the vendor/creator would help you.. nothing about ubuntu is preventing it from working.. providing your own support for unsupported hardware can be challenging
[23:58] <robjloranger> then switch the mode to modem
[23:58] <ComviqKali> i have that already
[23:58] <holstein> ComviqKali: have you tried the vendor? some support linux..
[23:59] <ComviqKali> no, i meant i have put on modeswitch
[23:59] <ComviqKali> and i've played some settings from guides
[23:59] <ComviqKali> im always up at midnight so kind of hard
[23:59] <robjloranger> so if you type usb-devices the driver listed for the dongle say modem?
[23:59] <mister_m> robjloranger: what if I don't have grub installed


[16:38] <ScottL> stochastic, you up?
[16:39] <rlameiro> time to talk
[17:08] <rlameiro> stochastic: :D  are you up?
[21:21]  * abogani waves
[21:21] <abogani> Are anyone around?
[21:27] <abogani> I'm looking for sponsor: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlessioIgorBogani/linux-rtPPUApplication
[21:41] <abogani> Thanks!
[22:10] <ScottL> hello abogani , i hope you are having a good day/night
[22:11] <abogani> ScottL: I hope the same for you.


[09:14]  * Laney respins the failed ubuntu dailies
[10:05] <xnox> FFe process applies to unseeded/universe packages as well. True or False?
[10:05] <Laney> yes
[10:05] <knome> hi Laney
[10:05] <Laney> hey knome
[10:05] <knome> Laney, i'm sorry, i had a misunderstanding on the gtk2 indicator issue - i'm been told we knew about it well before
[10:06] <knome> Laney, and now the answer for your question: we are going to reupload them; if you can help..
[10:06] <knome> Laney, ..then please tell us you can. :)
[10:06] <Laney> help in what way?
[10:06] <Laney> I can't help you maintain them ...
[10:06] <knome> help reuploading
[10:07] <knome> of course not, but we still need to reupload them
[10:07] <Laney> ah, well if you prepare a package then I can help on that side
[10:07] <knome> we'll get it sorted
[10:07] <Laney> you'll need FFe too.
[10:08] <knome> yes, i hope those will be granted
[10:08] <knome> mr_pouit is working on it with gilir from lubuntu
[11:11] <davmor2> Hey guys there looks to be an issue with webcam detection on my laptop did a current install from yesterday and ubiquity fails on the webcam page.  This in turn nails the system I have to hard power switch it, reisub fails, ssh fails.  I'm going to see if it effects the installed system and see if I can get some debug info from there
[11:18] <davmor2> yeap same issue running cheese it just kills the system completely
[11:19] <davmor2> over the the kernel channel I guess and hopefully they can help
[19:58] <phillw> is the quantal kernel in todays release, or do we need to await for a rebuild ( re: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/08/28/%23ubuntu-meeting.txt|IRC )
[20:08] <slangasek> phillw: what do you mean by "in today's release"?  any quantal daily builds are using a quantal kernel.
[20:10] <phillw> slangasek: the notes from http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/08/28/%23ubuntu-meeting.txt
[20:11] <phillw> was that updated Q kernel in for todays respins, or does it have to wait untill tomorrow?
[20:11] <Laney> you can check the manifest files to find out exactly which packages are included
[20:13] <phillw> Laney: do have a link handy, save me spending time on google when all I want to do is let the Qa teams know we have 'the final' kernel to be tested quickly before feature freeze lands on Thursday?
[20:14] <bjf> phillw: if you are talking about 3.5.0-13.13 then it will probably be in tomorrows daily. that quantal kernel was only published 7 hrs. ago.
[20:15] <phillw> bjf: thanks I'm referring to the part of the email http://pastebin.com/F8zYn4i6
[20:15] <Laney> eg http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/quantal-desktop-amd64.manifest
[20:15] <phillw> It's always fun to the testers that they have 24 hours before a feature freeze for a kernel :P
[20:15] <bjf> phillw: that's the kernel version i just mentioned
[20:15] <phillw> no worries, I'll let them all know :)
[20:41] <cyphermox> arf, I blindly uploaded indicator-sync 12.10.1-0ubuntu1; it's perhaps not so clear, but it's a bugfix release despite the API/ABI changes; nothing should be using it in the archive yet
[20:59] <micahg> cyphermox: I'm sure you're aware that new binaries need an FFe
[21:09] <seb128> micahg, do they?
[21:10] <micahg> seb128: that's what I've been told
[21:10] <seb128> micahg, where is it written?
[21:10] <micahg> seb128: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze
[21:10] <micahg> second section, second bullet
[21:10] <micahg> that's ABI, not general though
[21:11] <seb128> micahg, that's not about new binaries, but about abi changes
[21:11]  * micahg thought this was fixed last cycle....
[21:11] <seb128> micahg, that page has no new binary mention
[21:11] <seb128> there is no "binary" match at all in fact
[21:12] <micahg> well, if you want to get technical, the first line doesn't say source explicitly :)
[21:13]  * micahg wishes a release person would come to his defense here :)
[21:13] <seb128> well,I disagree that new binaries should require a ffe in a systematic way
[21:13] <seb128> the documentation doesn't state it should
[21:13] <seb128> so if that's a real rule it should be stated somewhere
[21:14] <micahg> I would argue that it could have in impact on how other packages use this package in question
[21:14] <seb128> we have been accepting some new -dbg recently without asking for a ffe
[21:15] <micahg> *crickets*
[21:15] <seb128> why would adding a dbg impact on other packages?
[21:15] <micahg> seb128: that's a case where it wouldn't, but cases where you add a data/common package certainly could
[21:15] <seb128> ok, so the rules is not about "new binaries", it's more specific ;-)
[21:16] <micahg> well, some FFes you know will be approved, but you file them anyways, but I'll let someone from the release team verify what I've said before I go on with it
[21:17] <slangasek> seb128: it has an impact on how the developers are spending time post-FF; uploading (and archive processing) of -dbg packages doesn't seem like very much focusing on bugfixes?
[21:17] <slangasek> but I wouldn't reject a -dbg package I saw in the NEW queue during FF
[21:17] <slangasek> because it wouldn't be worth arguing about
[21:17] <seb128> right, that's basically my position as well...
[21:18] <seb128> slangasek, well, I could argue that -dbg can be useful for debugging,bug fixing
[21:18] <slangasek> no, that's what we have .ddebs for :)
[21:18] <seb128> ;-)
[21:19] <seb128> yeah, I wish we had ddebs support in launchpad though for those upstream who do daily builds and such in ppas using the same packaging
[21:27] <Laney> I understand that this indicator-sync upload /was/ an ABI break though?
[21:28] <Laney> So should have had an exception however you read that page...
[21:28] <Laney> it's kind of unfortunate that it now FTBFS on arm* ppc too
[21:36] <seb128> Laney, oh, it's indicator-sync we are talking about ;-) I joined just to read the comment on new binaries
[21:36] <seb128> Laney, well, indicator-sync is NEW in the archive for less than a week and used by nothing and there is a ffe for u1 to use it
[21:36] <seb128> Laney, I'm unsure there is a need to file yet another ffe for a new package just to make it work when it never worked


 Would somebody so kind to answer me a tricky question. Some time ago I´ve seen an application that packs already installed apps back into .deb packages for later installation. But I wonder does it include all the data. What was the app I can not find it again. Or is there some method like Titanium Backup on android to migrate the whole bunch of my apps to another system? Tnx in advance!
[05:33] <indeego> Installing all the apps from scratch and copy-pasting all the app directories over is not the solution cause there are hundred of apps with lot´s of data and I do not want to broke something due to file collisions.
[07:57] <goraidh> hi
[07:58] <goraidh> anyone?
[07:58] <TheSheep> !ask
[08:01] <goraidh> that took me awhile to understand it makes more sense if you say please don't ask for permission to ask a question, just ask the question
[08:02] <goraidh> welcome arroy1010
[09:52] <xubuntu386> hi, just installed saucy salamander and nvidia drivers => login is started but then something crashes and i need to relogin
[09:53] <cfhowlett> !saucy|xubuntu386,
[11:05] <vabi> Hello, can i force Firefox to make only a new card, not a whole window when starting and another firefox is running?
[11:07] <well_laid_lawn> maybe someone in #mozilla might know...
[11:25] <lobi> hello. i install xubunto 13.04. and i didn't have internet conction. then i manualy download bcmwl-kernel-source_<IP_ADDRESS>+bdcom-0ubuntu6_amd64.deb. now I can get wired conction. but still no wirles. then I sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer. but this dosen't work and I als0 lost my wired conection. I think it si problem with kernel 3.8.0..  because before I never have problem with driver for my eth in wirles. can someone help me? thanks
[11:28] <fbn> Hi, I want to install Xubuntu 13.10 with software-raid 0 on two hdds
[11:28] <cfhowlett> !saucy|fbn
[11:28] <fbn> but I don't see the option to create the software-raid in the installer
[11:28] <fbn> any hints for me?
[11:29] <cfhowlett> fbn, not released yet.  see the link for support
[11:29] <fbn> cfhowlett: saw that, but I guess 13.04 installer is the same, isn't it?
[11:29] <cfhowlett> fbn, I don't know ...
[11:29] <fbn> so ... how to create sw-raid with the installer in 13.04?
[11:29] <cfhowlett> !raid
[11:30] <fbn> ubottu: thx
[11:31] <fbn> ah damn :)
[11:31] <fbn> AI tricked me
[11:31] <lobi> ?
[11:31] <fbn> talked to a bot
[11:31] <fbn> and didn't know it :)
[11:32] <fbn> on Ubuntu when I move windows to the screen edge (eg right side) they grow large to 50% of the screen. Is something like that configurable for Xubuntu too?
[11:41] <vabi> fbn: Yes, ou should disable moving windows by mouse
[11:42] <vabi> ah, ur logged out :C
[13:09] <antithesis> How do I change which user gets logged in automatically?
[15:10] <xubuntu882> can i install xubuntu on macbook 3,1
[15:11] <xubuntu882> ?
[15:12] <koegs> xubuntu882: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook
[15:13] <xubuntu882> yea but thats not xubuntu
[15:13] <xubuntu882> its ubuntu
[15:13] <xubuntu882> :/
[15:13] <bekks> xubuntu882: Which differs in the package selection only.
[15:16] <xubuntu882> wait what?
[15:16] <xubuntu882> bekks: can i just download xubuntu and run it on 3,1 no problem?
[15:20] <xubuntu882> ?
[15:20] <Myrtti> well if it is fine with Ubuntu, the difference between ubuntu and xubuntu is mainly cosmetic (atleast for now)
[15:20] <Myrtti> so it should be fine with xubuntu as well
[15:21] <xubuntu882> well its not with ubuntu 13.04 its not compatible but because its old i wanted to know if it could fully run ubuntuuu
[15:21] <xubuntu882> i meant xubunut
[15:22] <xubuntu882> xubuntu*
[15:22] <Myrtti> say what?
[15:22] <Myrtti> what it's old?
[15:22] <xubuntu882> its macbook 3,1
[19:21] <xubuntu337> hi
[21:46] <ResQue> on the website there are two download links for XUBUNTU LST, 12.04.3 Desktop and 12.04.3 Alternate. What is the difference
[21:47] <Sysi> alternate uses text-based installed that offers some more options but can't be used as livecd
[21:49] <ResQue> thanks you
[21:49] <Sysi> np
[22:14] <xubuntu138> Salve
[22:34] <ResQue> my netbook has a really small screen less than 786 on the vertical axis is there anything i can do about that. Some programs and dialog boxes that pop up seem to be cut off at the bottom making it hard to click yes or no
[22:39] <XRS1> launcher menu -> Settings -> AR&R
[22:39] <XRS1> thats the advanced resize and rotate app
[22:41] <ResQue>  thank you
[23:44] <puff> Evening.
[23:44] <puff> I'm going through this, https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/first-xubuntu which referred me to this, https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/ssd
[23:49] <XRS1> hi
[23:54] <puff> Wondering if these pages are reliable, etc.
[23:58] <XRS1> ?