[00:34] <apachelogger> debfx: oh, it does require a >= ? :/
[00:34] <apachelogger> needs some looking into
[00:34] <apachelogger> but I suppose we can always inject something via debhelper
[00:34] <apachelogger> misc:depends can be abused for that most likely
[03:55] <claydoh> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3118699.0;topicseen
[04:55] <valorie> stuff like that is so cool to read!
[04:55] <valorie> thanks for linking it, claydoh
[06:11] <claydoh> valorie I think so too, it sure offsets a lot of the yelling and name calling :)
[06:12] <valorie> I was too busy to being in #kubuntu yesterday -- was there yelling and name-calling?
[06:17] <jussi> valorie: have you not seen the ML?
[06:34] <valorie> oooo, no
[06:34]  * valorie goes to read
[06:36] <jussi> valorie: you might come away depressed...
[06:37] <valorie> my goodness, I was sort of dreading it, true
[06:37] <valorie> this Marcus person
[06:37] <valorie> ugh
[06:38] <valorie> markus
[06:38] <valorie> why is he on our list?
[06:38] <valorie> geez
[06:39] <valorie> ah, on mod
[06:39] <valorie> good
[06:39] <valorie> too late, but better late than never
[06:43] <valorie> I agree with txwikinger - we need a focus on quality and stabilty for Precise
[06:43] <valorie> not new bells and whistles
[06:43] <valorie> much as I love bells
[07:57] <debfx> apachelogger: we could set misc:Pre-Depends but must packages don't use that
[08:54] <markey> upgrade to Kubuntu 11.10 is taking its good time, but mostly because I overlooked a dialog that came up behind my browser window... gah
[08:54] <markey> "Replace custom config file XY with newer version?"
[08:54] <markey> possibly a usability issue I think?
[08:59] <markey> clicking on the KPackageKit icon in the taskbar also does not bring its dialogs into the foreground
[08:59] <markey> s/taskbar/systray
[08:59] <markey> taskbar works
[09:04] <markey> ok, rebooted
[09:04] <markey> seems to have worked
[09:04] <markey> but Gwibber comes up with half of its icons missing
[09:15] <apachelogger> damn, now I missed martin -.-
[09:15] <apachelogger> markey: what icons would those be?
[09:15] <apachelogger> supposedly you need to install gnome-icon-theme or whatever it is called
[09:16] <apachelogger> debfx: or simply inject it into the target control file ;)
[09:18] <debfx> apachelogger: yeah but how? dpkg-gencontrol has a -D option ("Override or add an output control file field.") but we want to append something to pre-depends instead of overriding it
[09:19] <markey> apachelogger: the icons at the top
[09:19] <markey> how do you call this again
[09:19] <markey> below menu
[09:19] <apachelogger> toolbar icons?
[09:19] <markey> yes
[09:19] <markey> two of them are there
[09:19] <markey> the rest shows the "missing icon" icon
[09:32] <apachelogger> markey: yeah, probaly gnome icon stuff missing
[09:35]  * apachelogger reads 11.10 reviews
[09:37]  * yofel wonders how to use oxygen-gtk3
[09:41] <yofel> hm, ok, got it "working"  - it completely ignores my color scheme though
[09:41] <yofel> at least it looks better than gtk1 style
[09:42] <schnelle> guys... sometimes chromium doesn't start : nikola@testbox:~$ chromium-browser
[09:42] <schnelle> Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module"
[09:43] <yofel> schnelle: libcanberra-gtk-module installed?
[09:44] <schnelle> yes, but gtk3 module
[09:44] <apachelogger> chromium uses gtk2 though
[09:45] <schnelle> this is clean install on my test partition
[09:46] <yofel> this shouldn't be a fatal error though from what I know...
[09:46] <yofel> yep, here chromium works even without that lib
[09:48] <markey> apachelogger: i A gnome-icon-theme
[09:48] <markey> it's installed
[09:48] <markey> does it need -extras? or -full?
[09:50] <markey> oh wow, Gwibber's config UI redefines minimalism. I actually like that though
[09:50] <markey> I'm a fan of keeping number of options as low as possible
[09:56] <apachelogger> markey: no idea, really depends on the icons, but I suppose the more you have installed the better
[09:56] <apachelogger> plus I'd report a bug against gwibber
[09:57] <apachelogger> clearly there is something not as cross desktop as it should be
[10:23] <yofel> yay... polkit-kde-1 crashed. *sigh*
[10:24] <yofel> and doesn't seem to restart by itself...
[10:33] <ghostcube> hmm hi folks, after upgrading my plasma-desktop is crashing if i edit my environment with mini apps wallpaper and so on, i got an full backtrace for the crash
[10:33] <ghostcube> anyone want maybe to look at it?
[10:34] <apachelogger> well
[10:34] <apachelogger> show us the backtrace
[10:34] <apachelogger> chances are it is a widget that causes the crash
[10:35] <ghostcube> here we go
[10:35] <ghostcube> http://pastie.org/2699883
[10:42] <apachelogger> ghostcube: #6  WicdNetworkManager::createNetworkInterface (this=0x7ffff2889410, uni=...) at ../../../solid/wicd/networkmanager.cpp:165
[10:42] <apachelogger> try not using wicd
[10:42] <apachelogger> and file a bug at bugs.kde.org
[10:42] <ghostcube> i did already
[10:42] <ghostcube> ok will take out wicd
[10:43] <ghostcube> thx so far :)
[10:59] <bulldog98> there was a new rekonq release where should I put the package for testing in? updates?
[11:32] <shadeslayer> wendar: Hotel ack'd delivery
[11:35] <shadeslayer> valorie: How will we communicate with you once we land? :P
[11:36] <shadeslayer> know any place where we can meetup with you? ( in the airport itself )
[14:05] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Wait, what are you talking about, no UDS for u, right?
[15:05] <bambee> hi
[15:24] <Quintasan> bambee: \o
[15:37] <bambee> congrats to the team for this great release btw <3
[15:41] <GirlyGirl> Broken link in #kubuntu topic "https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmai" should be "https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmail"
[15:42] <mfraz74> GirlyGirl: is there a size limit to the topic?
[15:43] <GirlyGirl> mfraz74: I don't know
[15:47] <mfraz74> GirlyGirl: should be https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Final/Kubuntu/Kmail2
[15:47] <GirlyGirl> mfraz74: Ah yes
[16:29] <sharpshooter> Haii all !! I  install kubuntu desktop in my ubuntu 11.10 box ...and I need to uninstall the kubuntu desktop
[17:04] <sheytan> hey
[17:04] <sheytan> if i upgrade from natty to oneiric and have kontact from experimental already installed, will i have problems with it, too?
[17:05] <yofel> shouldn't - as that's already 4.7
[17:43] <bulldog98> sheytan: since I had experimental too (but on oneiric) it will work :)
[17:43] <bulldog98> or was it natty back then
[17:44] <sheytan> bulldog98: is it worth an upgrade to oneiric?
[17:44] <sheytan> besides new digikam and de 4.7.2 nothing new :*(
[17:44] <GirlyGirl> sheytan: I think it is
[17:44] <sheytan> :(
[17:45] <GirlyGirl> sheytan: Performance wise I find it a nice upgrade
[17:47] <sheytan> GirlyGirl: well, my machine is fast enough yet :)
[17:47] <sheytan> maybe i will upgrade to lts
[17:47] <sheytan> so in april or so
[17:48] <GirlyGirl> sheytan: See for yourself ... but its no big deal doing a dist-upgrade
[17:50]  * sheytan is afraid something might go wrong and brake his amazing desktop/apps/config setup :D
[17:50] <sheytan> happned once
[17:51] <GirlyGirl> sheytan: If you already have KDE 4.7X there should be no problem
[17:54] <sheytan> GirlyGirl: there shouldn't be at all. Well, i'm not scared at all, this was kinda a joke, but don't really see good reason to upgrade :)
[17:55] <GirlyGirl> sheytan: So later on no early kde 4.8  for you :d
[17:56] <yofel> + no 4.7 bugfixes. 4.7.2 will be the last point release I'll backport to natty
[17:57] <sheytan> yofel good you do :)
[17:57] <yofel> I'll backport them as soon as we have them in oneiric-updates
[17:57] <yofel> otherwise we'll get upgrade failures again like we did with maverick and 4.5.3
[17:57] <sheytan> GirlyGirl: there's one cool feature awaiting me already: disabling  scrollbars completly :D (hell yeah!)
[17:59] <GirlyGirl> http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2011/10/disappointments-of-kubuntu-1110.html  .... someone seems disgruntled, the comments there are positive though
[17:59] <yofel> the release has good and no so good points, agreed. I don't think we did too bad though considering how many people worked on it
[18:00] <claydoh> GirlyGirl: that guy only tests out live sessions, and doesn't really like Kubutu iirc :/
[18:03] <yofel> *sigh* - there's nothing we can do about users being disappointed we don't ship more than one default wallpaper
[18:03] <yofel> we have no freakin' space!!
[18:05] <GirlyGirl> yofel: maybe a DVD release for people who want a more complete OS
[18:05] <yofel> GirlyGirl: we already have that...
[18:06] <yofel> people somehow just tend to not find it
[18:10] <yofel> hm, I know why it fails to shutdown with smbfs mounted
[18:10] <yofel> the wireless network is disconnected as soon as you log out, and later umount hangs hard on syncing the now unavailable smb mount
[18:11] <yofel> not sure why it never times out
[18:11] <GirlyGirl> I thought the dvd was just language packs
[18:13] <yofel> GirlyGirl: not really, you can for example compare the depencies of kubuntu-desktop with the deps of kubuntu-full
[18:29] <claydoh> well on kubuntuforums there aren't as many kmail related issues as I might have thought so far, just the ususal upgrade problems that seem to crop up relating to video drivers, etc.
[18:32] <yofel> neither in #kubuntu actually. There were a few people that had issues and I pointed them to the kmail release notes
[18:32] <yofel> haven't heard much from them after that
[18:33] <GirlyGirl> yofel: I've been pointing them to that again and again lots of people keep comming for that
[18:34] <yofel> hm,  I'm missing out on some of the busy times then
[18:35] <GirlyGirl> But its decreasing ... there are a few no sound after upgrade complaints but I guess that's not kubuntu specific
[18:35] <yofel> depends, some of those are phonon selecting the wrong output device
[18:35] <yofel> which I'm not sure why it happens
[18:47] <wendar> shadeslayer: great! (ack'd delivery)
[18:52] <debfx> yofel: I think the live part of the dvd has basically the same packages as the cd
[18:53] <yofel> hm, I need to take another look at the seeds then
[18:53] <debfx> which is why I think we should transform the dvd to an <2GB usb image like ubuntu
[18:54] <yofel> why <2G? I would rather have all of KDE on it and make it < 4GiB
[18:56] <debfx> do you think many users want to have all of kde installed on their system?
[18:57] <yofel> good question
[18:58] <debfx> I think 2GB is enough to fit the more popular applications and a bunch of language packs on it
[18:58] <yofel> firefox?
[19:01] <debfx> yeah firefox and an image editor
[19:04]  * yofel got a kernel panick o.O
[19:05] <bambee> yofel: nouveau ?
[19:05] <yofel> nope, intel - but I think it was more related to a very high system load while I was compiling something
[19:05] <bambee> my system is just unusable with nouveau here  (4 kernel panic today)
[19:06] <yofel> this was my eeePC and I had ext4 symbols in the panic trace
[19:06] <bambee> o.O
[19:09] <BarkingFish> woohoo!!!!
[19:10] <BarkingFish> After 125 minutes of the most nailbiting stuff I've ever been through, I *finally* have oneiric :)
[19:29] <nusch_> hi, could someone explain me why the dist upgrade sets managed=false in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
[19:29] <nusch_> ? If kubuntu is desktop system why someone would need to bother with manual console configuration /
[19:45]  * yofel wonders why nepomukindexer is indexing already indexed files o.O
[19:53] <debfx> yofel: have you read the latest blog post about nepomuk performance?
[19:56] <yofel> debfx: not yet
[19:58] <valorie> ooo, you won't have a working phone, will you shadeslayer?
[20:00] <valorie> do you have WhatsApp ?
[20:00] <valorie> I'll send you the dealieo
[20:00] <valorie> should work with wifi, if SFO has wifi
[20:01] <valorie> let's find out if it does
[20:01] <valorie> yes
[20:02] <valorie> will one of you have a phone for that?
[20:10] <nusch_> I have network-manager running, can see it's proberly detects wifi network in dbus viewer, but plasma applet shows no connections, wireless is grayed, on wired I can see only ifup(eth0), ifup(wlan0) http://pastebin.pl/48602 where is the problem?
[20:11] <nusch_> this happened after upgrade to 11.10
[20:12] <yofel> debfx: what I don't get is why the nepomukindexer processes end up consuming (or causing) SYS cpu usage, that seems to disable their nice level so they consume most of my eeePC's CPU time
[20:21] <Riddell> nusch_: I guess that means we don't know, and user support is in #kubuntu
[20:23] <Riddell> hmm, markus sent another not very helpful rant to the mailing list, I think I'll reject
[20:24] <nusch_> Riddell: and what about my first question - it's a general problem, I'm asking this question on launchpad with every release and problem still exists..
[20:25] <Riddell> nusch_: I don't know I'm afraid, network manager daemon package is maintained by the ubuntu desktop team
[20:26] <nusch_> Riddell: ok thx
[20:52] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kalgebra] Philip Muškovac * 16 * debian/changelog New upstream release (LP: #872506)
[20:57] <debfx> yofel: no idea about that, you could try to build the latest kde-runtime 4.7 snapshot
[20:58] <yofel> meaning I should enable strigi in neon and see what happens
[20:58] <yofel> I doubt there's going to change much in 4.7
[21:00] <debfx> https://trueg.wordpress.com/2011/10/13/taking-a-break-from-crash-fixing-for-usability/ says it's all backported to 4.7
[21:00] <yofel> ah, then I'll try it
[21:02] <yofel> ok, I WILL try it
[21:13] <debfx> yofel: these are some packages I would put on an usb image: http://paste.ubuntu.com/708943/
[21:16] <yofel> debfx: hm, I know gwenview has a scan plugin - do we need skanlite?
[21:17] <debfx> yofel: from kipi-plugins?
[21:18] <yofel> not sure, if it is we'll need skanlite then
[21:46] <bulldog98_> yofel: I’d like to get libreoffice replaced by calligra, since it make an amazing progress
[21:47] <yofel> come again once calligra has been released and calligra-word stops chopping of piecies of the characters
[21:48] <bulldog98> also kile would be nice, but I know that this won’t happen since texlive needs to much space
[21:49] <bulldog98> btw why is ktikz in debian but not in ubuntu archive?
[21:55] <yofel> what's that?
[22:01] <bulldog98> yofel: a tool to create latex (tikz package) graphics (texdoc pgf)
[22:02] <yofel> bulldog98: it probably got into debian after debianimportfreeze
[22:02] <bulldog98> maybe
[22:02] <yofel> should get synced from wheezy soon
[22:02] <bulldog98> yeah :)
[22:02] <bulldog98> for the mean time I did an oneiric repackaging
[22:03] <yofel> well, to make sure you could file a manual sync request
[22:03] <yofel> but I guess it's too soon for that
[22:11] <CIA-130> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kalzium] Philip Muškovac * 19 * debian/changelog New upstream release (LP: #872506)


[09:36] <Rhonda> sil2100: Thanks for the headsup, will keep it in mind, do so in the next few days
[09:58] <sil2100> Rhonda: thank you :)
[14:11] <Rhonda> sil2100: btw., the wiki still says groovy not released?
[14:11] <Rhonda> sil2100: … and http://at.archive.ubuntu.com/releases/ doesn't show hirsute yet?  Are you a bit premature? :)
[14:12] <Rhonda> Can you ping me again when the archive reflects your request?
[14:14] <Rhonda> ah, that mirror seems outdated, my bad …
[14:14] <Rhonda> Someone should poke the wiki though
[14:39] <Laney> Rhonda: which page?
[14:39] <Laney> wikis (:
[14:39] <Laney> :(*
[14:43] <sil2100> Rhonda: we released groovy on time last month, so it's all good! And yeah, which wiki are you referring to?
[15:10] <Rhonda> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ at the bottom doesn't list groovy
[15:11] <Laney> huh
[15:11] <Laney> never knew that was there
[15:14] <Laney> OK there, I added it
[15:16] <Laney> well
[15:16] <Laney> I pressed save and then nothing happened (so far)
[15:27] <Laney> ok it did it. Notifications sent to <LOTS of people>
[15:35] <sil2100> Laney: should we add updating that to the checklist?
[15:35] <sil2100> I'll do that
[15:37] <sil2100> Done
[15:41] <sil2100> Rhonda: thanks for pointing that out, and thanks for looking at the update of packages.ubuntu.com o/
[15:43] <Laney> merci sil2100
[15:43] <Laney> and boo for more places where this is written down
[16:59] <ItzSwirlz> Hey everyone, I know that the ca-certificates issue is pissing everybody off (it is for me too), but if you have free time and you're a sponsor/reviewer, can you review my debdiff patch for Bug #1901344? Thanks


[03:28] <wordsofglass> hi, i just compiled a kernel according to the FAQ and comp is a lot faster, but mounting extra drives wont work, it tells me they're mounted or the folder is busy; i do have all the fs-types compiled into the kernel
[03:29] <wordsofglass> not sure if this is the place to ask
[03:38] <infinity> It's not.
[03:39] <infinity> This isn't a support channel, but rather a kernel development channel.
[03:39] <infinity> (For Ubuntu-specific kernel development, obviously)
[03:40] <wordsofglass> sorry, i realized after looking at the channel list categories
[03:40] <wordsofglass> support vs devel team channels
[06:53] <lifeless> hi
[06:54] <lifeless> any chance of us enabling the callgraph option, which oprofile needs to get callgraph data ?
[07:05] <crimsun> lifeless: For Dapper/Edgy? What needs to be tweaked? The callgraph patch on oprofile.sf.net seems to already be in ubuntu-dapper.git, and oprofile is modularised.
[07:06] <lifeless> well
[07:06] <lifeless> I'm not an oprofile expert
[07:06] <lifeless> but when I follow the faq info for getting callgraph data
[07:06] <lifeless> it generates no parents/children
[07:07] <lifeless> (this is using dapper)
[07:10] <crimsun> sorry, I don't have any experience with it either
[02:25] <zul> hey
[08:34] <doko> BenC: will the xfs corruption bug be fixed in the dapper kernel?
[08:34] <BenC> doko: If I recall the bug report, there was no clear and simple update to fix that bug
[08:35] <BenC> basically meant backporting the entire xfs tree
[08:35] <doko> ouch
[08:36] <doko> BenC: so the answer is yes, or maybe later?
[08:37] <BenC> doko: the answer is "not unless the fix becomes a lot easier"
[08:37] <BenC> I'm a little reluctant to backport an entire fs
[08:37] <zul> you can do it!
[08:37] <zul> heh
[08:38] <kbyrd> infinity: ping.
[08:41] <kbyrd> ok, anyone: infinity has said that he would include the vmware-player-kernel package into the l-r-m build for edgy. What would be the deadline for that?
[08:42] <BenC> kbyrd: I'll probably be able to get to it with the next kernel upload
[08:42] <BenC> it's an ABI bump anyway, so perfect time to do that
[08:43] <BenC> kbyrd: is there a place to download stock tarball's for this?
[08:44] <kbyrd> Cool. But, we're considering releasing vmware-server as a deb, and we would have a vmware-server-kernel package too. So, I need to know when I have to get that to you.
[08:45] <kbyrd> BenC: about the tarball, there isn't a stock tarball of just the modules (it's not a separate installer for us normall). But, the current package includes the source and makefiles.
[08:45] <BenC> ok, I'll pull from that
[08:46] <kbyrd> But, last time I talked to someone. the l-r-m build isn't going to include our modules, it's going to build the entire package. The reason for this is that we actually need to have two packages: vmware-player-kernel and vmware-server-kernel.
[08:47] <kbyrd> They can't co-exist.
[08:47] <kbyrd> You guys don't have vmware-server-* yet. But in my version, they conflict with vmware-player-*
[08:50] <kbyrd> So, I still need to get a deadline for handing off vmware-server-kernel to you all to be included in edgy.
[08:51] <BenC> the sooner you get them to me, the sooner I'll get it done :)
[08:52] <BenC> basically I'll keep vmware-player-kernel in l-r-m package proper, and build vmware-server-kernel in separate package
[08:52] <BenC> l-r-m package will provide vmware-player-kernel to satisfy any deps
[08:53] <BenC> hmm, wait
[08:53] <BenC> they'll both need to be separate packages
[08:54] <BenC> but I can do that easily
[09:45] <BenC> mdz: ping
[09:45] <mdz> BenC: pong
[09:46] <BenC> mdz: I'm in the middle of running an extensive benchmark test on -386 vs. -686 on my UP P4 2Ghz system
[09:47] <BenC> I'm going to do the same on my Athlon64 UP system with -amd64-generic vs. -amd64-k8
[09:47] <BenC> and the same on my SMP xeon
[09:48] <BenC> just to see if these alt kernels are giving us _any_ performance improvement (and my bet is that they aren't)
[09:49] <mdz> BenC: thank you, it's high time we had some hard data to work with
[09:50] <mdz> BenC: SMP/dual-core support out of the box in Edgy would be valuable
[09:51] <BenC> good thing is that most systems with SMP/dual-core fall into the amd64 category, so they already get it, but with Intel's CoreDuo coming out, that will change
[09:53] <BenC> $ cat /proc/version_signature
[09:53] <BenC> Ubuntu 2.6.17-7.19-amd64-xeon
[09:53] <BenC> that's going to be a useful little file
[09:54] <mdz> indeed indeed
[09:56] <mjg59> BenC: Coming out? There's been shipping Core Duo hardware since February...
[09:57] <BenC> mjg59: I meant CoreDuo2, sorry
[09:57] <mjg59> BenC: Core Duo 2 is amd64
[09:57] <BenC> CoreDuo 2 is emt64
[09:57] <mjg59> Well
[09:58] <mjg59> The scheduling is close enough, surely?
[09:58] <BenC> oh, I get what you mean now :)
[09:58] <mjg59> Heh
[09:58] <mjg59> Yes, the ones where we're losing are the original core duos
[09:58] <BenC> I thought some of the CoreDuo2 was 32-bit still
[09:58] <BenC> maybe I need to reread the docs
[10:01] <BenC> I know there's CoreDuo2 - emt64, and CoreDuo2 - ia64
[10:02] <mjg59> BenC: Pretty certain there's no ia64 ones
[10:03] <BenC> damnit, you ppl are going to make me open this powerpoint on windows, aren't you? :)
[10:03] <kylem_> it probably says "Dual Core Itanium2"
[10:05] <BenC> it was all convoluted into a big PPT file, so it's understandable if I got all the 100 name combinations mixed up
[10:05] <kylem_> :)
[10:11] <mdz> mjg59: regarding our discussion about the ondemand governor, will it only appear in available_governors if it works properly? or do we need to be cleverer than that?
[10:12] <mdz> it seems to work OK on the systems I have access to, so I don't know what the other case looks like
[10:12] <mjg59> mdz: We need to be cleverer than that
[10:12] <mjg59> Hm. At least, I think so.
[10:12] <mjg59> It might be cleverer than I think
[10:12] <mjg59> The failure will be that attempting to set the governer to ondemand will fail
[10:13] <mjg59> In that case, we probably want to fall back to powernowd
[10:13] <mdz> oh, that's easy enough then
[11:49] <zul> hey


[03:55] <stokachu> anyone familiar with django-openid-auth? i can't figure out why openid.return_to for login.launchpad.net is set to http when my referer is set to https?
[12:02] <yofel> hi, I was trying to create a project on launchpad for libkdcraw, but it tells me that the project name is already taken
[12:02] <yofel> https://launchpad.net/libkdcraw doesn't exist though
[12:08] <wgrant> yofel: You should be able to create it now
[12:08] <yofel> ok, thanks!
[15:02] <yofel> wgrant: https://launchpad.net/ark is another case
[15:17] <Dougie187> Is there a way, when listing dependency versions, to provide a series agnostic version number?
[15:27] <Dougie187> Like, if I'm building packages with version numbers something like 1.3.1-1ubuntu1ppa1~raring1. How to reference this in a (>= 1.3.1-1) method without adding the raring1 in it.
[15:33] <cjwatson> Well, (>= 1.3.1-1) is greater-than-or-equal, so that's good enough.
[15:33] <cjwatson> Depends exactly what your dependency is supposed to mean.
[15:33] <cjwatson> If you just want "at least this upstream version", then leave it as "(>= 1.3.1)".
[15:41] <Dougie187> Well, I want to try to say something like (= 1.3.1-1ubuntu1ppa1~any)
[15:41] <Dougie187> is that possible?
[15:54] <cjwatson> Dougie187: Exactly what are you trying to express here?
[15:55] <Dougie187> cjwatson: that I want it to use version 1.3.1-1 of the library, but whatever series is available.
[15:55] <Dougie187> I'm trying to build packages for static libraries (I didn't write them, so they don't have options for shared libraries)
[15:55] <cjwatson> You can do "foo (>= 1.3.1-1), foo (<< 1.3.1-1.1)"
[15:56] <Dougie187> What's << mean?
[15:56] <cjwatson> But you should think about why/whether the exact packaging revision is important
[15:56] <cjwatson> Less than
[15:56] <Dougie187> ok
[15:56] <cjwatson> See http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html
[15:57] <cjwatson> You should also think about whether -1ubuntu1 and -1ubuntu2 (say) might be different
[15:57] <cjwatson> In which case you'd want "foo (>= 1.3.1-1ubuntu1), foo (<< 1.3.1-1ubuntu2)" or similar
[15:58] <Dougie187> Ok
[15:58] <Dougie187> Thanks
[15:58] <cjwatson> However I'm slightly confused why static libraries mean you need this - usually things built against static libraries don't depend on those libraries at all, because they effectively include a copy of them
[15:58] <Dougie187> well, one of them is a static library that is build against another static library
[15:59] <cjwatson> So library A effectively includes a copy of library B; still no dependency involved there
[15:59] <Dougie187> And I wanted to build the package knowing which version of the static library it was built with
[15:59] <cjwatson> That's not an appropriate use of Depends, if that's all it is
[15:59] <Dougie187> Oh ok
[15:59] <cjwatson> There's a Built-Using field which can be used to document that kind of thing (although nothing in Ubuntu currently pays attention to it)
[15:59] <Dougie187> Ok
[16:00] <cjwatson> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html#s-built-using
[16:00] <Dougie187> Thanks
[16:00] <Dougie187> I have to run now though. But I'll read it when I get back


[02:43] <pavlushka> Hi every one, good morning!
[03:11] <pavlushka> QA coffee on
[03:11]  * QA flips the salt-timer
[03:14] <pavlushka> QA coffee please
[03:14] <QA> pavlushka: Now now, we don't want anyone getting caffeine overdoses
[03:15] <QA> Coffee's ready for pavlushka!
[03:15] <pavlushka> QA thanks!
[03:15] <QA> pavlushka: no problemo
[05:53] <Kilos> o/
[05:54] <Kilos> hi pavlushka
[05:55] <pavlushka> hi Kilos !
[05:55] <Kilos> Ekushey has been quiet lately


[00:05] <Blazento> Hello. Is it common for AMS to crash regularly when adding new effects?
[00:08] <holstein> Blazento: alsa modular synth?
[00:08]  * holstein is not a regular user of that
[00:08] <Blazento> right
[00:08] <holstein> Blazento: ask over in #opensourcemusicians
[00:09] <holstein> Blazento: you using JACK?
[00:09] <Blazento> yes
[00:09] <holstein> you could just JACK into rakarrack
[00:09] <holstein> or JACK rack
[00:09] <holstein> or something like these http://www.linuxdsp.co.uk/download/index.html
[00:10] <Blazento> cool let me check that out
[00:10] <holstein> i use rakarrack all the time
[00:10] <holstein> with synths
[00:10] <holstein> or whatever
[00:10] <holstein> its really lightweight
[00:11] <Blazento> cool. I was just learning how to program patches with AMS since I like its GUI, but the crashing is too bad
[00:12] <holstein> ive heard good things
[03:22] <kde185> hey my family is thinking of getting a new computer and putting studio on it for sound recording/mixing.  Does anyone know if M-Audio Fast Track Ultra works with it?
[03:23] <holstein> hey kde185
[03:23] <kde185> I'm trying to look up information, but only found information on older versions of ubuntu, if this piece of equipment can't work then it might be a deal breaker for them
[03:23] <kde185> yes?
[03:25] <holstein> this is where i would look
[03:25] <holstein> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-MAudio
[03:25] <holstein> you can ask over in #opensourcemusicians too
[03:25] <holstein> i remember someone having one of those
[03:25] <persia> G3
[03:25] <holstein> and i dont remember
[03:26] <persia> Generally the folks who care for drivers tend to try extra hard to avoid regressions, so when something works with one release, it tends to keep working.
[03:26] <persia> This only doesn't work when folks don't file bugs if something stops working, but most folk do.
[03:26] <kde185> k thanks, hopefully this works cause my family won't be as patient as myself when trying to work with this
[03:26] <persia> That said, M-Audio has a great track-record of making "class-compliant" devices, so that they *don't* need special drivers, and automatically work for any OS.
[03:26] <holstein> kde185: the software is free to try :)
[03:27] <persia> I've never had any trouble with my M-Audio stuff, although I'll admit I don't have that particular device.
[03:27] <holstein> yeah, maudio is generally supported pretty well
[03:27] <holstein> and easy to get running
[03:27] <persia> Well, credit where it's due: rather M-Audio does a good job of supporting linux :)
[03:28] <holstein> w00t
[03:28] <kde185> well we tried it a while ago, but it was on an old computer that didn't have usb 2.0 ports, so I'm not sure where the weak link was in that setup
[03:28] <holstein> more companies should
[03:28] <persia> kde185, Lack of USB2.0 ports basically means no working USB audio, regardless of the device.  There's just not enough bandwidth.
[03:28] <kde185> that's encouraging, I had hoped that the lack of information on the internet meant people weren't having problems
[03:29] <holstein> you can try a live CD
[03:29] <holstein> and see if it shows up
[03:29] <persia> For the longest time, "USB Audio" was considered a joke because of this, and the various differences between "High Speed", "Full Speed", etc.  These days, it's mostly better (as long as you have limited channels/sampling frequency/etc.)
[03:29] <kde185> my experience with those has been kinda iffy, sometimes devices don't work quite right when the OS  is running off a cd
[03:30] <kde185> but giving a shot won't hurt
[03:30] <persia> Kernel should be the same: you might have memory or I/O speed limitations, but stuff ought work.
[03:30] <holstein> troubleshooting audio devices from a live CD can be challenging
[03:30] <holstein> with permissions and what-not
[03:30] <holstein> pop in here when you get a test case going :)
[03:32] <kde185> k, I'll probably jump in once the livecd is running
[04:08] <Blank__> one of my old cards is actually capable of half duplex 24/96 on usb 1.1
[14:40] <sletz> hi, which version of JACK is in Maverick? JACK1 or JACK2 ?
[14:46] <persia> sletz, *both* :)
[14:47] <sletz> what is the defualt one ?
[14:47] <sletz> if any..
[14:51] <persia> I think it's jack2, although I may be mistaken.
[14:53] <sletz> yeah...


[14:17] <adom> Sitting in the Gaylord Resort/Convention Center for our Symposium right now.
[14:17] <adom> CEO's keynote is 9-10 so we're sitting in lab B-O-R-E-D.


[00:03] <NCommander> wgrant, whats going on?
[00:05] <wgrant> NCommander: He keeps replying to bugmail saying either nothing or LOTS OF CAPS ASKING FOR NO MORE MAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[00:05] <NCommander> wgrant, *wince*
[00:06] <NCommander> Good $TIME_OF_DAY elmo
[00:07] <zoke> I can't seem to use launchpad with bzr and plink
[00:07] <NCommander> wgrant, what is structual subscripton mean specifically?
[00:08] <zoke> everytime I connect, plink reports the connection as abandoned
[00:13] <ajmitch> wgrant: I see what you mean...
[00:14]  * ajmitch wonders if the "You are subscribed because..." needs to contain very explicit unsubscribe instructions
[00:15] <ScottK-laptop> Nah.  That's what spamcop is for.
[00:15] <ScottK-laptop> ;-)
[00:15] <ScottK-laptop> Ubuntu (not PPA) source packages are all supposed to be signed on Launchpad, right?
[00:15] <ScottK-laptop> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/dapper/+source/spamassassin/3.1.3-1ubuntu1~dapper1/+files/spamassassin_3.1.3-1ubuntu1~dapper1.dsc
[00:16] <ScottK-laptop> Doesn't appear to me to be signed.
[00:25] <NCommander> ScottK-laptop, I thought only the changes had to be actually signed
[00:25] <ScottK-laptop> Well only .changes has to have a signature of someone allowed to upload.
[00:26] <ScottK-laptop> I think .dsc needs A signature
[00:26]  * NCommander tests it with an upload to his PPA
[00:35] <TeTeT> is there an easy way to see all bugs that had a status change between two dates, e.g. last Friday and today?
[01:42] <jerryk> TeTeT:   Hey that's exactly a question I had.  AFAIK as of this moment, no there isn't, but if there is one that I don't know about I'd be all ears.
[01:43] <Hobbsee> what was the question?
[01:43] <jerryk> Hobbsee:   TeTeT asked "is there an easy way to see all bugs that had a status change between two dates, e.g. last Friday and today?"
[01:43] <jerryk> Hobbsee:   I assume he means via the API, although I'm not even sure how to do this with the advanced query page in the browser either.
[01:46] <Hobbsee> ah, right
[01:46] <Hobbsee> no idea then, sorry :)
[01:47] <TeTeT> would be nice to have a GUI for it
[01:58] <nellery> anyone have an idea why the packages in my ppa (https://launchpad.net/~nick.ellery/+archive) are not detected by Ubuntu?
[01:59] <Hobbsee> nellery: define 'detected' here?
[02:00] <nellery> Hobbsee: if I attempt to install it from apt it installs the Ubuntu version?
[02:00] <ScottK-laptop> Either you made a lower version or you didn't add your PPA to your sources.list and then apt-get update
[02:01] <Hobbsee> or it hasn't actually published yet
[02:01] <ScottK-laptop> That too
[02:01] <Hobbsee> it's not lower
[02:01]  * ScottK-laptop is busy trying to resurrect a dead dist-upgrade attempt, so didn't look.
[02:01] <nellery> wow.  I am amazed at my intelligence
[02:02] <ScottK-laptop> Which was it?
[02:02] <nellery> I removed it from my sources.list, intending to put it back -_-
[02:02] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:02] <Hobbsee> always useful
[02:02] <nellery> there we go, it works
[02:03] <nellery> thanks both of you for pointing out my stupidity ;)
[02:04] <Hobbsee> you're welcome ;)
[02:04] <Hobbsee> people have made more foolish errors.  *shrug*
[02:04] <ScottK-laptop> That's why we're here. ;-)
[02:10] <wgrant> ScottK-laptop: What went wrong with your dist-upgrade? All of mine went fine, except for the one where my mother decided to hit the reset button half-way through...
[02:11] <ScottK-laptop> wgrant: Intel D945Gnt motherboard and the new kernel can't connect with the installed SATA drives.
[02:11] <wgrant> Ah, fun.
[02:12] <ScottK-laptop> IIRC in Gutsy this motherboard had a problem if it was a mixed ATA/SATA configuration
[02:12] <ScottK-laptop> I wonder if there's been a regression.
[02:13]  * ScottK-laptop unplugs hardware.
[02:14] <ScottK-laptop> Actually I'm going to play with the BIOS a bit first and see if a more ancient setting helps.
[06:51] <dholbach> is there any ETA on the staging login issue? :)
[06:52] <wgrant> All I know is that it's quite deliberate.
[06:52] <dholbach> aha?
[06:53] <wgrant> I hear that staging is being used for testing DB changes.
[06:53] <dholbach> hrm
[06:53] <dholbach> it makes using the LP API a bit difficult :)
[06:54] <wgrant> Just run your own. Oh wait.
[06:54] <wgrant> I wonder if demo.lp.net is suitable.
[06:55] <wgrant> Hmm. That's running one old codebase.
[06:56] <dholbach> hm, EDGE_SERVICE_ROOT exists, but EDGE_WEB_ROOT doesn't
[06:56] <wgrant> What is *_WEB_ROOT for?
[06:57] <dholbach> I have a script that automatically logs in (so I can run it on a headless machine) - it uses _WEB_ROOT
[06:57] <wgrant> Hmm.
[06:58] <dholbach> ah, hang on
[06:58]  * dholbach tries something
[07:00] <dholbach> hm, still can't login
[07:02] <dholbach> using https://api.edge.launchpad.net/beta/ did not make it work :-)
[11:27] <mpt> How do I find out who is subscribed to a particular project's bug reports?
[11:29] <Hobbsee> mpt: look at the "also notified" panel?
[11:29] <Hobbsee> for any given bug on the project?
[11:29] <soren> Ah. that's much better than what I was about to suggest.
[11:30] <soren> I would have filed a bug against the project suggesting it be reimplemented in php (unless it already was, in which case I'd suggest ruby), and see who responded.
[11:31] <matsubara> mpt, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+subscribe has a bug subcriptions portlet
[11:31] <soren> Or something of similar inflammatory effect. Perhaps some spam tossed in there for added effect.
[11:31] <matsubara> which is slightly better than also notified, because also notified includes people from dupes, which would be misleading
[11:31] <Hobbsee> soren: *grin*
[11:32] <Hobbsee> soren: brainfuck or something might be even better...
[11:32] <wgrant> matsubara: Also notified doesn't contain dupe people.
[11:32] <mpt> matsubara, thanks, that's well-hidden
[11:32] <wgrant> matsubara: "From duplicates" contains dupe people.
[11:32] <soren> Hobbsee: No, the trick is to make it sound as though you actually mean it. That's exceedingly difficult with brainfuck.
[11:32] <wgrant> Also notified contains other structural subscriptions (ie. project groups or milestones), and the assignee.
[11:33] <matsubara> wgrant, indeed.
[11:33] <matsubara> I forgot the from duplicates section
[11:33]  * wgrant welcomes mpt to userland.
[11:33] <mpt> matsubara, do you have permissions to unsubscribe someone from Launchpad projects?
[11:34] <wgrant> You need DB access, IIRC.
[11:34] <wgrant> I asked to have that Fritz guy unsubscribed from malone this morning.
[11:35] <mpt> oh good, thanks
[11:35] <matsubara> mpt, nope, you need to ask a question and the Losas can take care of it
[11:35] <mpt> he seems unhappy
[11:35] <mpt> "Dear Losas, what is the airspeed of an unladen swallow?"
[11:35] <wgrant> I don't think anybody useful noticed, so I might ask an answer.
[11:37] <matsubara> mpt, african or european?
[11:37] <wgrant> No! We need a UI designer /alive/!
[11:38]  * mpt throws a dart at a Launchpad pie chart
[11:49] <Hobbsee> soren: ahhh, right
[11:58] <mpt> wgrant, why did you mark bug 290125 as a duplicate of bug 216668?
[11:58] <mpt> I can see that they're related, but I don't think fixing either of them would fix the other.
[11:59] <wgrant> mpt: They're the same. Maybe my summary is bad.
[12:00] <mpt> The former is about a source package bugs list. The latter is about a distribution bugs list.
[12:00] <wgrant> mpt: They're surely the same fix... but true.
[12:03] <wgrant> The same thing also goes for projects, I suppose.
[12:03] <mpt> really?
[12:03] <mpt> do bug reports disappear off the project list when they're targeted to a series?
[12:03] <wgrant> It's a fundamental design flaw in Launchpad.
[12:03] <wgrant> The bug pages only show things open in their context.
[12:04] <wgrant> And series are separate contexts.
[12:04] <wgrant> It's how it works, but it is rather strange.
[12:05] <wgrant> If I have something closed in the devel series (or the non-series task, if it isn't targetted to the devel series), it won't appear on the non-series list.
[12:05] <wgrant> That behaviour is useful sometimes, but there's no way to get the other useful list - everything.
[12:05] <wgrant> No way at all.
[12:06] <wgrant> Somebody needs to redesign how that works.
[12:06] <beuno> wgrant, would you like emailing me about that specific problem?
[12:06] <beuno> I have a soyuz sprint at some point
[12:06] <beuno> and I'm collecting data on it
[12:06] <wgrant> It's not Soyuz.
[12:06] <wgrant> It's Malone.
[12:06] <beuno> even better
[12:07] <beuno> I have a sprint the last week of novemeber
[12:07] <beuno> it's sooner
[12:07] <wgrant> Ah, convenient.
[12:09] <wgrant> beuno: There's not much to email about - there's just no way to list all bugs open in a pillar and its series.
[12:10] <wgrant> Pillar or sourcepackage, actually.
[12:10] <beuno> wgrant, and there's a bug for it?
[12:10] <beuno> I'm in the middle of a sprint
[12:10] <wgrant> Bug #216668, but it should be generalised.
[12:11] <beuno> so I won't really retain most of this  :)
[12:11] <wgrant> Heh.
[12:17] <philn> hi
[12:18] <philn> i have an issue with a "private" project/team.. one new member of the team is not able to see the private bugs
[12:18] <philn> whereas other members of the team can
[12:19] <philn> bac, kiko, someone: can you help me? ;)
[14:24] <pro-rsoft> is it possible to somehow add a branch that everyone can check changes into?
[14:31] <woods> Hello, please one help. I am Brasilian person. I downloaded of Ubuntu.com the LINUX 8.04 DESKTOP, i need to use image .iso in DVD and no in CD, dont have other mirror of DOWNLOAD DVD .ISO ? PLEASE HELP, IS VERY IMPORTANT!
[14:33] <woods> Turns out he already burned 4 CDs virgin mine, and not just my CD rewritable, but my reader not the rewritable, so I try to save the. Iso in a DVD, I need a link. Iso DVD on the Linux desktop ubuntu 8.04 please!
[14:33] <salgado> woods, você pode gravar o .iso em um DVD.  mas o melhor lugar pra pedir ajuda seria o canal #ubuntu-br
[14:35] <woods> Hummm Obrigado, mas eu ja queimei 3 DVD Virgem tentando gravar, 2x eu tentei gravar direto o .iso do ubunto de CD no dvd, e o terceiro agora eu usei o daemon no .iso peguei os arquivos e fiz um dvd inicializavel com os arquivos, assim tambem queimou, eu acho que não da pra gravar .iso de CD em DVD, a n ser que eu burle de alguma forma, mas não quero burlar, quero um link direto de .iso dvd =S
[14:35] <woods> Vou ver lá no ubuntu-br
[14:36] <salgado> woods, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/release/
[14:39] <woods> Esse é 4.3GB, não é o desktop eu to baixando ele aqui já, mas nunca usei ele, tenho pouca pratica com linux, tu tem como me confirma se isso é o que eu estou procurando?
[14:40] <woods> QUero Instalar o Ubuntu 8.04 DESKTOP num Pentium 3 de 512 memoria ram, com grafico, por isso não escolho o alternate, esse intrepid não é algo diferente até por ele ser 4x maior? e eu acabar me perdendo depois em instalar e usar? não é diferente?
[14:41] <woods> Se for praticamente o mesmo, que vá abrir aquela janela digamos que em 'portugues' que o desktop faz, ai me serve, o ideal seria o desktop, eu quero instalar e usar so o ubuntu na maquina, mas quero ele a nivel de iniciante
[14:42] <woods> Ja usei o Slackware e é mto hardcore pra mim
[14:42] <woods> ?
[14:42] <salgado> woods, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04/release/ubuntu-8.04.1-dvd-i386.iso é o .iso pro DVD. versão 8.04 (Hardy)
[14:42] <woods> Por que ele tem 4GB ? @.@
[14:43] <woods> Tá, tá bom se é o 8.04 em serve o tmanho é o de menos
[14:43] <woods> Unica duvida que fico agora
[14:44] <woods> é em relação ao ALTERNATE e o DESKTOP, eu não quero o ALTERNATE, esse que você me mostrou e ja estou baixando é um "DESKTOP" né ?
[14:44] <woods> :S
[14:44] <salgado> é
[14:44] <woods> valeu ;@~
[14:45] <woods> vou baixar e tentar a tarde
[14:45] <salgado> woods, o alternate só tem a instalação diferente. depois de instalado ambos são iguais
[14:45] <woods> hummmm
[14:45] <woods> ah então tudo bem
[14:46] <woods> valeu mesmo ai
[16:28] <asabil> hi all
[16:36] <Odd_Bloke> asabil: o/
[16:38] <asabil> just wondering, is it normal that the branches of a project I have hosted in LP are standalone branches ?
[16:38] <asabil> and not part of a repository
[17:10] <beuno> asabil, yeap
[17:10] <beuno> there anre't any shared repositories in launchpad
[17:10] <asabil> oh ok
[17:10] <beuno> there are stacked branches, which achieve something similar
[18:23] <MTecknology> Is it possible to make tasks or bugs or something that relate to a specific launchpad group?
[18:38] <rockstar> MTecknology, what do you mean?
[18:39] <MTecknology> I mean something like a forum... Task: Jump Twice  User1: I jumped twice 3 times in the store  User2: I jumped twice in my neighbors house
[18:41] <MTecknology> rockstar: I'm guessing it might be better to have my own site that does exactly what I want and keep the LP group as a membership role
[18:41] <MTecknology> I think that's what most groups do, isn't it?
[19:25] <jcastro> cody-somerville: what are all those lists for that you just requested?
[20:03] <cody-somerville> jcastro, OEM Services
[20:03] <jcastro> cody-somerville: ok, approving
[20:43] <_jbl_> Hello
[20:44] <_jbl_> I have a PPA question/issue
[20:44] <_jbl_> I get a mail with: Rejected: [...] Version older than that in the archive. 0.8.0-0~ppa1 <= 0.8.0beta1-0~ppa2
[20:45] <_jbl_> which totally makes sense, however, the upstream version is that way: 0.8.0 comes after 0.8.0beta1...
[20:50] <wgrant> _jbl_: You probably wanted 0.8.0~beta1, then.
[20:52] <_jbl_> no, that's the thing. I package 0.8.0-beta1 and upstream just released 0.8.0 and I wanted to package that. Would have been smooth if upstream had 0.8.1 ;)
[20:55] <wgrant> _jbl_: You needed to use 0.8.0~beta1 for the beta. That's how Debian package versioning works. You could use <IP_ADDRESS> for now, I guess.
[20:58] <_jbl_> ok. any way I can revert this then ?
[21:00] <geser> use something like 0.8.0rel till 0.8.1 comes out
[21:00] <wgrant> _jbl_: You'll have to work around it until they release 0.8.1.
[21:00] <wgrant> Patient.
[21:00] <geser> and don't make the mistake in the future again :)
[21:01] <geser> it certainly helps to wait on answers before leaving the channel
[21:02] <wgrant> Don't tell them that.
[21:14] <xlyz> is staging.launchpad.net down?
[21:14] <wgrant> xlyz: Yes.
[21:14] <wgrant> It is being used for testing of big Launchpad changes.
[21:15] <xlyz> i'll try again in 1-2 hours then. thanks
[21:15] <wgrant> It will be longer than that, I suspect.
[21:15] <wgrant> It has been a couple of days already.
[21:16] <xlyz> oh. I'll try tomorrow, with all fingers crossed ;)
[21:28] <Jazzva> Hello... Is there someone who has the privilege to edit comments on bug reports in Launchpad?
[21:31] <spm> Jazzva: what's the problem?
[21:33] <Jazzva> spm, I replied once to the bug report and left the e-mail address in the quote. Now that person would like if his/her address could be removed.
[21:33] <Jazzva> spm, I asked a question on answer tracker and got the response that it's impossible, but that person insists on this, I'm asking here to see if it's really impossible...
[21:34] <Jazzva> *so I'm
[21:36] <Jazzva> it's bug 95670 and question #37825
[21:48] <spm> Jazzva: I see... An unpleasant situation. Curtis has answered the initial query specifing out the situation. If the individual in question still has a problem with this, I would advise that they raise it as a question themselves. Your being man-in-the-middle is unfair (imho) to yourself and unnecessary.
[21:49] <Jazzva> yeah... I guess.
[21:49] <Jazzva> spm, thanks.
[21:50] <spm> Jazzva: it might also be worthwhile sitting a day or two before replying. This looks like heading into flamewar-email-pong.
[21:51] <spm> Alternately, don't answer at all. Which might be a less inflamatory option. ???
[21:55] <Jazzva> spm, looks like the beginning of the flamewar. I think it's polite to answer and that to be final from my side (as I certainly tried to help)
[22:17] <spm> Jazzva: agreed.
[23:03] <wgrant> Is it that hard for a LOSA to issue that single UPDATE? Or is that against policy?
[23:16] <rockstar> wgrant, it's not a good idea to just go loose on the database on every time someone wants something changed.
[23:16] <wgrant> Of course not.
[23:16] <wgrant> But if there's no other way, and it gets somewhat reasonably irate users to be a bit less irate...
[23:17] <rockstar> If it comes to that, it comes to that.  It's just not something me jump at the chance for.  *shrug*
[23:23]  * rockstar can't type tonight
[23:30] <vmelo> anyone can give me some answers about rosetta?
[23:30] <wgrant> !ask
[23:31] <vmelo> ok, the option "Packaged" is a upstream option?
[23:31] <vmelo> it's the translated message from upstream?
[23:33] <vmelo> well, I asked the question
[23:33] <wgrant> So probably nobody who's watching right now knows.
[23:33] <wgrant> Wait a while, I would recommend.
[23:34] <vmelo> k


[09:32] <rmg51> Morning
[11:56] <icey> ahoy
[12:12] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else
[13:29] <lazyPower> \o


[07:36] <ara_> morning all :)
[07:38] <maritess> good morning
[07:42] <ara_> morning maritess
[07:43] <maritess> hi ara, I was trying to follow test ffox security updates
[07:43] <maritess> have only updated hardy so far
[07:44] <maritess> stuck at this point. not sure what I should be doing
[07:44] <maritess> where are the test plans placed?
[08:52]  * ara_ takes a break
[12:51]  * ara_ -> lunch


[02:29] <hsprang> is there anyone who can help with problems concernung the eiki?
[02:29] <hsprang> sorry, i meant wiki
[06:47] <froud> hsprang: you still thre
[10:32] <hsprang> froud: there again :)
[10:32] <froud> hsprang: you needed help
[10:32] <froud> what's the problem
[10:37] <hsprang> i am trying to write a howto in the ubuntu wiki
[10:37] <hsprang> but i am having troubles getting the page formatted
[10:37] <hsprang> i was expecting it to accept moin moin wiki syntax,which would be great, because i have the docs already in mediawiki, which is the same
[10:38] <hsprang> but it seems the doc pages are somehow special
[10:51] <froud> hsprang: the wiki should accept moin moin
[10:51] <froud> We have a number of documents already in moin moin
[10:52] <froud> can you give me the url of your document in wiki
[10:54] <hsprang> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2005-02-28.6671204877/howto_view
[10:55] <hsprang> can you see it even if i didn't publish it?
[10:55] <hsprang> or do i have to submit it therefore?
[10:56] <froud> you need to submit it
[10:57] <hsprang> done
[10:57] <froud> send the view url
[10:59] <hsprang> is the above not working?
[10:59] <froud> no that one is for edit
[10:59] <froud> click the view tab
[11:00] <froud>  and copy the url
[11:00] <hsprang> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/howto/helpcenterhowto.2005-02-28.6671204877/howto_view
[11:00] <hsprang> this is exactly the same as above...
[11:00] <froud> I am getting "Fully Automatic Installation with FAI"
[11:00] <hsprang> both names are "view" at the end, too
[11:00] <hsprang> yes
[11:01] <froud> ok
[11:01] <hsprang> you're at the correct page
[11:01] <froud> ok, not much there
[11:01] <froud> let me find a page that you can ape the markup from
[11:02] <hsprang> yes, i had my full mediawiki page there, but it looked like crap and so i removed it
[11:02] <froud> oh dear
[11:02] <hsprang> if you like i cann add my fzll text i want to put in there, but as you might see, the header already doesn't work
[11:03] <froud> add your text
[11:03] <hsprang> minute...
[11:04] <hsprang> there...
[11:08] <froud> hsprang: strang it is not reacting to moin moin
[11:09] <hsprang> :) good feeling that you see it, too...
[11:10] <froud> ChrisH: ping
[11:10] <ChrisH> froud: pong...
[11:12] <froud> you got any idea why wiki is not recognizing moin moin
[11:14] <hsprang> in the "text format" selector there isn't even a way to select moin moin syntax, which is different from other wiki pages, as i saw
[11:15] <froud> I have now set it to structured and made changes take a look
[11:17] <froud> hsprang: will you be able to take it from there
[11:17] <ChrisH> Hmmm. not really.
[11:18] <froud> ChrisH: what not realy
[11:18] <ChrisH> I don't really have an idea. :)
[11:18] <ChrisH> Last time I changed a page it was in ReST.
[11:18] <froud> OK seems that this part of wiki does not hav esupport for moin
[11:19] <froud> hsprang: will you be able to do it in structured
[11:19] <hsprang> ok, this one looks pretty good...
[11:20] <hsprang> almost
[11:20] <froud> put uri in []
[11:20] <froud> ape the markup around you
[11:21] <froud> hope that helped :-)
[11:22] <froud> thanks ChrisH
[11:22] <hsprang> it helped very very much! thank you :)
[11:24] <hsprang> is there a doc about the structured text markup?
[11:24] <froud> dunno of one
[11:24] <froud> I just ape what's around me open two tabs one with your doc and one for viewing other textsssss
[11:25] <froud> copy the markup in the existing samples
[11:25] <froud> a bit of a by the seat of the pants way of doing it, but it works :-)
[11:27] <hsprang> yes, and i am already miles further than last night :)
[11:28] <hsprang> who is administering the wiki, anyway?
[11:28] <froud> everyone ;-)
[11:28] <froud> I know enrico does loads of wiki stuff but he wont be here until toght
[11:28] <froud> tonight
[11:31] <hsprang> ok, i already wrote a mail to<EMAIL_ADDRESS>anyway about some other issues i have, when creating my MaintainerCandidates page like ogra told me at #ubuntu-motu, but that's not exactly ubuntu-doc ...
[11:36] <froud> hsprang: I don't know anything about that ... ChrisH do you
[11:39] <hsprang> plus the howto page has a nice bug which leads to data loss if one forgets to enter the page title - in that case, the body is completely lost in the following page that tells you you forgot the title
[11:40] <froud> hsprang: enrico is your man. He will come on later today
[11:40] <hsprang> but i am getting chatty... ok
[11:40] <froud> :-) ok
[11:41] <froud> I'm just busy trying to get the OMF/Scrollkeeper stuff fixed for release
[12:30] <hsprang> ... which i pretty well know nothing of :)
[12:31] <froud> neither did I until I  joined this project :-) OSS you gotta love it.
[12:32] <hsprang> besides that it seems to be some central? piece of the systems integrated docs...
[12:32] <froud> yes it is
[12:34] <hsprang> it's quite interesting, it's pretty important to provide help for people running the system quickly and adequately in al,ost anything that can go wrong
[12:35] <hsprang> which is not quite a task one gets done in an evening
[11:40] <ChrisH> Hm.... what was the trick to keep xsltproc from getting the DTDs from the oasis web site during every run?
[11:41] <sivang> hey ChrisH
[11:41] <sivang> hey people
[11:41] <sivang> (others)
[11:41] <ChrisH> sivang: hey, bounty hunter :)
[11:41] <sivang> ChrisH: heheh
[11:41] <ChrisH> The compile is getting me mad... every time it's pulling in the oasis documents.


[00:35] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: rails [amd64] (groovy-proposed/universe) [2:<IP_ADDRESS>+dfsg-3] (no packageset)
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[06:51] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-blogliterately [s390x] (groovy-proposed/universe) [0.8.7-1] (no packageset)
[07:23] <apw> enyc, likely #ubuntu-x
[07:46] <sil2100> jibel: hey! On the isotracker I see reports for Ubuntu Desktop .1 regarding the font viewer crashing on the live session
[07:46] <sil2100> Did you see anything like that?
[07:52] <jibel> sil2100, I'm currently looking at the issue
[07:53] <jibel> it's old crashes though
[07:53] <jibel> without much info
[07:56] <jibel> indeed it crashes
[07:56] <jibel> in live session only
[07:57] <sil2100> Ok, if we had that before then I'm not as worried
[07:57] <sil2100> Can't think of a strong usecase for checking fonts on the live session
[07:58] <jibel> I get bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-font-viewer/+bug/1861961
[07:59] <RikMills> could someone kill the frameworkintegration ppa autotests currently running? I can now see where they are hanging, which was the point
[08:00] <jibel> sil2100, and not a regression since the release
[08:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: haskell-blogliterately [riscv64] (groovy-proposed/universe) [0.8.7-1] (no packageset)
[08:25] <sil2100> xnox: argh, d-i on s390x for bionic FTBFS
[08:31] <enyc> apw: thakyou for pointer,  put note thete too
[08:32] <enyc> apw: its ' bit of a pain  when unclear what issue(s) may be  or even what packages to report
[08:32] <enyc> apw: i guess i could test 19.10 live iso
[08:32] <enyc> but still, if not xorg, not xorg video drivers, not radeon-firmware, not kernel ............
[08:33] <enyc> gtk/associated?  etc
[08:33] <apw> enyc, yep these are tricky to diagnose
[08:33] <enyc> apw: I was hoping somebody would joump on or at least give me a $clue
[08:34] <enyc> apw: i've ended up pci-extending and physically moving cards and making space to put in an actual video-card and  bypass problem that way....................
[08:34] <apw> enyc, the right place for screen corruption is ubuntu-x, they will be able to split kernel/mesa/X
[08:34] <enyc> apw: but STILL i'd be happy to help testing  changes that might make ati RS480  work
[08:34] <enyc> ok!
[08:40] <sil2100> xnox: ok, I see you have noticed and pushed the fix for it, duh
[08:40]  * sil2100 could have checked the queue before digging into this
[08:40]  * sil2100 throws away his change and accepts xnox's
[08:40] <sil2100> xnox: thanks! ;)
[08:43] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted debian-installer [source] (bionic-proposed) [20101020ubuntu543.17]
[08:51] <mwhudson> what is britney complaining about wrt the udebs here? https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#multipath-tools
[08:52] <mwhudson> afaict the udebs it's talking about exist
[08:52] <Laney> those messages suck
[08:53] <Laney> but, component-mismatches?
[08:53] <mwhudson> i don't think so?
[08:54] <mwhudson> but maybe
[08:54] <mwhudson> oh yes
[08:54] <mwhudson> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/groovy/amd64/liburcu6-udeb/0.12.1-1 is in universe
[08:54] <mwhudson> how did that happen
[08:56] <mwhudson> and why did it not happen to the multipath-tools udebs?
[08:56] <Laney> why doesn't rmadison work on multpath-udeb
[08:56] <Laney> such knowledge being expressed here
[08:58] <mwhudson> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/groovy/amd64/multipath-udeb/0.8.4-1ubuntu1 <- sez "main"
[08:59] <Laney> nod
[08:59] <Laney> doko: ^- what made you demote liburcu6-udeb? component-mismatches or?
[09:00] <mwhudson> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/groovy-proposed/main/debian-installer/binary-amd64/Packages.gz is pretty small now but not quite empty
[09:00] <mwhudson> er s/-proposed//
[09:00] <mwhudson> Laney: how can you tell it was doko? :)
[09:01] <Laney> mwhudson: if you back up one component from the URL you gave, the smoking gun is there
[09:02] <mwhudson> Laney: ah!
[09:03] <Laney> that's one of the nice little hidden corners of LP it's good to know about sometimes
[09:04] <doko> Laney: yes, compomnent mismatches in both proposed and release
[09:04] <mwhudson> yeah i think i may have seen that page and then failed to find it again
[09:05] <doko> so why did these appear in component mismatches?
[09:05] <doko> I still have the list of demoted packages... so I could revert those
[09:06] <mwhudson> yeah that's a bit strange
[09:06] <Laney> I guess if you do that, and it comes back on c-m we can debug the report
[09:06] <mwhudson> i don't know what the long term plan is, we don't care about udebs at all for groovy afaik
[09:07] <mwhudson> but what Laney suggests makes sense
[09:07] <Laney> maybe all d-i stuff should be in universe, I dunno
[09:07] <Laney> whatever it is should be done in a considered way rather than in response here imo
[09:07] <mwhudson> yep
[09:08] <mwhudson> now does anyone want to talk about udisks2's autopkgtests or should i just bounce on retry until it works
[09:09] <Laney> file an rls-gg-incoming bug about that, I think desktop should schedule some work on thoes
[09:09]  * mwhudson goes for the latter
[09:09] <mwhudson> ok
[09:10] <mwhudson> ah there was https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udisks2/+bug/1888062 already, i tagged it
[09:10] <Laney> 🕶
[09:11] <mwhudson> looks like there is an upstream patch and everything, i guess i could try applying it
[09:19] <mwhudson> doko: so will you revert your demotions?
[09:19] <mwhudson> migrating s390-tools/2.12.0-0ubuntu6/s390x to testing makes ubuntu-server/1.452/s390x uninstallable
[09:19]  * mwhudson squints
[09:21] <seb128> mwhudson, there is no much point tagging that bug
[09:21] <mwhudson> seb128: yeah i guess not
[09:21] <seb128> it's already handled with a fix commited upstream
[09:21] <mwhudson> seb128: i'm testing the upstream patch now
[09:21] <seb128> thx
[09:22] <Laney> disagree, that tagging was like 2 weeks ago, it would have made us look at it tomorrow in the meeting
[09:22] <Laney> s/tagging/comment/
[09:23] <doko> mwhudson: promoted again
[09:23] <smb> Doing some Bionic->Focal upgrades I found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/timidity/+bug/1793640 is still relevant. Workaround seems to purge timidity-daemon. That might be something to mention in release notes.
[09:26] <mwhudson> doko: thanks
[09:29] <seb128> Laney, well it's tagged so we are going to look at it :-) But I've a feeling that it will end up in us agreeing to nominate and me taking assignment since I handle udisk and I upstreamed the report that did lead to the commit that needs backporting, which is basically a no change from where we are today (I was just waiting for an upstream release to get it uploaded)
[09:33] <Laney> seb128: okey dokey, just take the assignment now :p
[09:33] <seb128> Laney, done, I should have done that when I triaged it :-)
[09:39]  * Laney eyes proposed-migration/xenial
[09:39] <Laney> why crasheth you
[09:42] <mwhudson> seb128: oh, i just uploaded the patch...
[09:43] <seb128> mwhudson, ah, even better
[09:43] <seb128> thanks!
[09:43] <mwhudson> seb128: np, +1 maint ftw
[09:43] <seb128> :-)
[09:43]  * mwhudson stops for now, let's see what britney thinks of the re-componented udebs in the morning
[10:24] <doko> still puzzled why gcc-9 tries to promote ...
[10:26] <xnox> mwhudson:  s390-tools-signed needs an upload
[10:28] <mwhudson> xnox: ah
[10:28] <mwhudson> xnox: does that require special skills?
[10:46] <rbalint_> vorlon, do you have a log about how retry-autopkgtest-regressions failing with snap-triggered tests?
[10:50] <xnox> mwhudson:  just carefully running debian/rules clean, and ensuring version numbers match.
[10:52] <mwhudson> xnox: as i'm sure you know that was an attempt to trick you into doing it :)
[10:52] <mwhudson> i will go to bed and see if i need to do it in the morning :-)
[10:53] <xnox> ahahhahahahhahahhahaa
[10:53] <sil2100> Laney: hey! Could you again re-run the snapshotting command for focal as you did last week on snakefruit? ;)
[10:53] <sil2100> Laney: since I remembered now that we just re-spun the images, so the snapshot needs to be re-run
[10:54] <sil2100> Laney: you can just re-run it as is, no need to delete anything
[10:54] <Laney> sil2100: ok!
[10:54] <Laney> lies
[10:54] <sil2100> Laney: huge thanks! :)
[10:54] <Laney> I do need to delete it
[10:54] <sil2100> You do?
[10:54] <sil2100> Ouchy
[10:54] <Laney> OSError File exists
[10:54] <Laney> feel free to fix the tool to avoid that ;-)
[10:54] <sil2100> Oh well, I guess I wouldn't know since I have no access there!
[10:55] <sil2100> ;)
[11:09] <rbalint_> sil2100, if there will be a new respin u-u is ready for release
[11:11] <rbalint_> sil2100, i have a not too special lxc container where u-u is running for 45 minutes due to not upgradable packages and fixing LP: #1877769 helps with that
[11:17] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: fvwm-crystal [amd64] (groovy-proposed/universe) [3.4.1+dfsg-2] (no packageset)
[11:22] <sil2100> rbalint_: I hope no respin will be required
[11:25] <sil2100> vorlon: hey! Regarding shim-signed for bionic - I guess I'd be okay with accepting the new one if we'd be able to verify it in the nearest days
[11:28] <sil2100> vorlon: I see that the new upload includes a fix on top of the existing changes, so for clarity I'd like it to include all the bugs so far in .changes
[11:28] <sil2100> Let me re-push
[11:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: shim-signed (bionic-proposed/main) [1.37~18.04.5 => 1.37~18.04.6] (core)
[11:40] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: rejected shim-signed [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.37~18.04.6]
[11:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted shim-signed [source] (bionic-proposed) [1.37~18.04.6]
[13:36] <RikMills> Laney: FYI, for pkg-kde-tools & lintian, looks like it just needs the fixed lintian now in proposed to avoid the hangs
[14:22] <ricotz> sil2100, hello, would you have time to process libreoffice 1:6.4.5-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS> waiting in the focal/queue?
[14:23] <Laney> RikMills: cool
[14:27] <RikMills> Laney: PS. Nearly all the KDE build-needed tests should now be gone/going away, anyway \o/
[14:28] <Laney> yesssssss
[14:28] <RikMills> sorry that took so long....
[14:34] <smb> apw, could you put your generous AA hat on and let me know whether bug 1843742 looks to be reasonably set up?
[14:41] <vorlon> rbalint_: backtrace: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Kcdj9j7vBm/
[14:42] <vorlon> sil2100: shim-signed should be a pretty quick verification.  .changes, yes - do you need me to do anything there or can you reupload it with the correct -v?
[14:46] <Laney> rbalint_: vorlon: I think I fixed that one earlier, sorry for stealing the work (didn't notice the previous ping)
[14:47] <vorlon> Laney: ah cheer
[14:47] <vorlon> s
[14:47] <ahasenack> hello ubuntu-archive, could someone please take a look at this? https://code.launchpad.net/~ahasenack/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu-seeds/+merge/388428 It's to promote realmd and adcli to main in focal, after it was approved in groovy. The versions are identical in focal and groovy, and security gave a +1 already
[14:47] <vorlon> ahasenack: seed changes don't require ubuntu-archive signoff
[14:48] <vorlon> so don't block on us :)
[14:48] <ahasenack> correct, but I wouldn't want to change a focal seed befora an AA agrees to promote the package there
[14:48] <vorlon> ahasenack: ah right, wasn't obvious from the url, sorry
[14:48] <ahasenack> and isn't there also an imminent .1 release for focal? I also wouldn't want to break that
[14:49] <vorlon> ahasenack: it's only a supported seed so no point release impact.  +1 for the change, go for it and I can promote
[14:49] <ahasenack> thank you!
[14:52] <vorlon> sil2100: ah, you already did that hours ago, cheers ;)
[15:03] <rbalint_> Laney, thanks! vorlon  thanks, i have not seen this failure yet
[15:09] <sil2100> ricotz: let me take a look after the meetings!
[15:09] <sil2100> jibel: hey! So I see you have looked at LP: #1890137, did you check if this affects only Kubuntu or other flavors?
[15:11] <ricotz> sil2100, ty
[15:12] <seb128> sil2100, hey, chromium-browser/focal sounds like another SRU worth accepting now if possible (and trivial only changelog update), it's to make sure focal_version > bionic_security, otherwise .1 upgraders might not get the snap
[15:15] <sil2100> seb128: thanks for the info, on it as well o/
[15:16] <seb128> thanks!
[15:16] <sil2100> bdmurray: hey! Did you test that better fix for the meta package removal in u-r-u? Is it ready for releasing?
[15:16] <sil2100> s/releasing/reviewing
[15:21] <ahasenack> vorlon: merged
[15:22] <bdmurray> sil2100: I did test it and uploaded it to groovy, haven't done it for Focal yet.
[15:23] <sil2100> bdmurray: if you could prep a focal upload that would be sweet, since I guess it'd be nice to fast-track it before we enable upgrades
[15:24] <bdmurray> sil2100: I was also working on this on Friday and thought it'd be good to bundle with the linux meta package removal fix
[15:24] <bdmurray> https://code.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+git/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+merge/388513
[15:25] <jibel> sil2100, it doesn't happen on Ubuntu
[15:28] <sil2100> Let me take a look then
[15:28] <jibel> sil2100, I'm downloading kubuntu
[15:29] <bdmurray> sil2100: I haven't found many duplicates of the python-dbg issue so it may be able to wait
[15:36] <jibel> sil2100, so on kubuntu, the link does nothing because xdg-open uses kde-open which doesn't exist but the installer doesn't crash
[15:53] <sil2100> jibel: that's good news then
[15:55] <jibel> i'll file a bug for the wrong association
[16:34] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: ubuntu-release-upgrader (focal-proposed/main) [1:20.04.23 => 1:20.04.24] (core)
[16:35] <bdmurray> ^sil2100
[16:36] <bdmurray> I'm writing the test case now
[16:56] <jibel> sil2100, bug 1890173 it's specific to kubuntu
[16:57] <sil2100> bdmurray: \o/
[17:11] <vorlon> ahasenack: and packages promoted in -updates
[17:15] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: aseba-plugin-blockly [amd64] (groovy-proposed/multiverse) [20180211+git-3] (no packageset)
[17:15] <ahasenack> vorlon: thank you
[17:20] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: galax [s390x] (groovy-proposed/universe) [1.1-16] (no packageset)
[17:26] <Laney> hopefully fixed p-m/xenial without breaking anything else ...
[17:26] <Laney> quite a delicate area of the code though
[17:28] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: galax [ppc64el] (groovy-proposed/universe) [1.1-16] (no packageset)
[17:28] <vorlon> why does c-m want to promote gcc-9?  nothing in https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg or https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.html explains
[17:31] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: galax [amd64] (groovy-proposed/universe) [1.1-16] (no packageset)
[17:42] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: galax [armhf] (groovy-proposed/universe) [1.1-16] (no packageset)
[17:44] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: galax [arm64] (groovy-proposed/universe) [1.1-16] (no packageset)
[17:45] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted libreoffice [source] (focal-proposed) [1:6.4.5-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[17:45] <sil2100> ricotz: hmmm, I wanted to accept libreoffice, but I got this error: "libreoffice_6.4.5.orig-tarballs.tar.xz is already published in archive for focal with a different SHA1 hash (dd676f6a65ab6910b90a944be59e17cb1b34b127 != 79767488a539577fb3a5db828c9245a0fbd0491c)"
[17:46] <sil2100> ricotz: how did that happen? I would expect it to get rejected on queue upload
[17:46] <sil2100> vorlon: ^ do you know?
[17:47] <sil2100> It's weird since now libreoffice is gone from the queue, but I wonder if it actually got accepted
[17:48] <ricotz> sil2100, hmm, no idea :(, I didn't create these packages. hellsworth did
[17:49] <ricotz> sil2100, I can prepare fixed ones though
[17:50] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted chromium-browser [source] (focal-proposed) [84.0.4147.89-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>]
[17:52] <sil2100> ricotz: I think it might be good to start preparing new ones (and making sure that the same orig  tarballs are used as available in the archive)
[17:52] <sil2100> Ah, could it be that this was uploaded first to the queue and only afterwards to groovy?
[17:52] <sil2100> Anyway, I see it as accepted, but it doesn't appear anywhere, so probably LP rejected it
[17:53] <ricotz> sil2100, sorry, I don't know, hellsworth is quite new to the packaging process
[17:57] <ricotz> sil2100, https://people.ubuntu.com/~ricotz/libreoffice/
[17:59] <sil2100> bdmurray: hey! So regarding the u-r-u SRU: I'd like to make sure about one thing as this bit us multiple times already in the past
[18:00] <sil2100> bdmurray: do you know if at any moment of time the tryMarkObsoleteForRemoval() function of MyCache in DistUpgradeCache is being used by update-manager?
[18:01] <sil2100> bdmurray: since you know how stupid this is - update-manager uses MyCache from u-r-u but doesn't call it's constructor, so I just want to make sure that update-manager won't suddenly start crashing because of self.linux_metapackage being undefined
[18:01] <sil2100> (as it's defined in the u-r-u constructor, not the update-manager MyCache-derivative)
[18:12] <bdmurray> sil2100: I'll have a look
[18:13] <sil2100> bdmurray: thanks!
[18:23] <vorlon> sil2100: that's a check that doesn't happen until after the unapproved stage
[18:39] <ahasenack> hi release team, do we have a release schedule for groovy? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GroovyGorilla/ReleaseSchedule is empty
[18:39] <ahasenack> oh
[18:39] <ahasenack> it magically appeared
[18:39] <ahasenack> it redirected to discourse, oh
[18:41] <ricotz> sil2100, is the repackaged libreoffice sufficient?
[19:30] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: galax [riscv64] (groovy-proposed/universe) [1.1-16] (no packageset)
[19:45] <bdmurray> sil2100: update-manager does not use "tryMarkObsoleteForRemoval" additionally I ran update-manger with the new focal u-r-u packages installed and it worked without issue
[19:51] <sil2100> bdmurray: excellent, thanks for checking!
[19:56] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- Unapproved: accepted ubuntu-release-upgrader [source] (focal-proposed) [1:20.04.24]
[21:09] <mwhudson> vorlon / ubuntu-archive: can you repromote libargon2-1-udeb to main please?
[21:09] <mwhudson> (see https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#cryptsetup)
[21:21] <RikMills> vorlon: lintian in proposed newly depends on lzip, which has no i386 build. can that be sorted?
[22:03] <vorlon> mwhudson: done the other way, cryptsetup udebs demoted (since no longer used).  c-m output suggests something in main in -proposed still depends on them but we'll sort that out anon
[22:04] <vorlon> RikMills: lintian is arch: all, so why does it need to be installable on i386?
[22:05] <vorlon> RikMills: (lintian is not in the build-dep closure for i386, so I believe the answer is it doesn't need to be)
[22:05] <RikMills> when pkg-kde-tools needs lintian for i386 builds
[22:05] <mwhudson> vorlon: can we stop publishing udebs at some stage?
[22:05] <vorlon> mwhudson: possibly
[22:06] <vorlon> RikMills: ah, sounds like a bug in the germinate handling, blech
[22:07] <vorlon> RikMills: otoh why is lintian being used at build-time?
[22:07] <vorlon> it would be more convenient for me to fix this misfeature of pkg-kde-tools instead :)
[22:08] <RikMills> vorlon: pkg-kde-tools uses it for kubuntu QA and CI scripts/pages
[22:09] <vorlon> hmph
[22:09] <vorlon> :)
[22:09] <vorlon> ok I'll dig into it
[22:10] <RikMills> thanks :)
[22:13] <RikMills> vorlon: oh, and currently pkg-kde-tools does not depend on lintian, due to a separate bug with the lintian in -release, but we do want the depend back once fixed lintian in proposed migrates
[22:14]  * RikMills thinks lintian is out to get me this week!
[23:14] -queuebot:#ubuntu-release- New binary: album-data [amd64] (groovy-proposed/multiverse) [4.05-7.1] (no packageset)
[23:14] <mwhudson> hmm how do we feel about removing src:frr i wonder


[00:09] <nhaines> I'm not sure whether or not I approve of this dark scrollbar that's exclusive to GNOME Terminal.
[02:56] <iheartubuntu1> knock knock?
[02:56] <crashsystems> hello world
[02:57] <iheartubuntu1> crashsystems did u ever figure out dreamweaver
[02:58] <crashsystems> It has been many, many years since I've bothered to touch dreamweaver. I think you've got the wrong person.
[02:58] <iheartubuntu1> ohh maybe :|
[02:58]  * iheartubuntu1 hits head on desk
[02:58] <iheartubuntu1> here is my almost final flyer for Ubuntu Hour coming up in Pasadena http://ubuntuone.com/p/mBE/
[02:59] <iheartubuntu1> I want to start posting these tomorrow
[02:59] <iheartubuntu1> does anyone have any final recommendations/
[02:59] <iheartubuntu1> still not sure on the "open" line
[02:59] <crashsystems> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/04/eff-san-francisco-entertainment-commission-don-t
[03:00] <iheartubuntu1> nhaines suggested "OPEN - easy to access your data" or something to that effect
[03:00] <iheartubuntu1> EFF was at scale9x
[03:01] <iheartubuntu1> they are also helping a fellow urban home blogger out down here in LA
[03:01] <iheartubuntu1> another blogger trademarked the term "urban homestead" and this other blogger had already written a book "urban homesteading"
[03:01] <iheartubuntu1> now EFF is stepping in to help the authors of the book
[03:02] <iheartubuntu1> the blgoger family that trademarked urban homestead has sent out cease and desist letters to those who have used the urban homesteading words
[03:03] <iheartubuntu1> ----
[03:03] <crashsystems> -_-
[03:03] <crashsystems> ice cream truck... I've not heard one of those in years
[03:03] <iheartubuntu1> regarding my flyer, im also thinking about making it more generic, but then it will be harder to find the particular event
[03:04] <iheartubuntu1> something more generic like directing people to go to the Ubuntu Hour main site, and then they would have to search for a local event themselves
[03:05] <akk> We still have people pushing ice cream carts in this neighborhood (as well as a truck that drives around).
[03:05] <akk> I'd never seen the hand-carts anywhere else I've lived.
[03:06] <iheartubuntu1> i like listening to Dr. Katherine Albrecht. She wrote a book called Spychips. Interesting read. Talking about how everything is going RFID
[03:07] <iheartubuntu1> 4 years ago she was talking about NYC taxi drivers didnt want RFID badges, now its coming
[03:08] <iheartubuntu1> Its the first step towards everyone having some form of RFID that can be scanned for paying for food, for getting a paycheck, a welfare check, etc. Next you'll need an RFID drivers licence to get in your own car
[03:09] <akk> I'm kind of surprised drivers licenses haven't gone RFID yet. I keep expecting it to happen (and dreading it).
[03:10] <iheartubuntu1> or iris scan
[03:11] <iheartubuntu1> someplace i saw the military is now scanning the irises of all killed people in the various wars going on to create a database
[03:12] <iheartubuntu1> another war and  its going to look like we are the aggressors
[03:13] <akk> A database of dead people's irises? What good is that?
[03:14] <iheartubuntu1> the only thing i can think of is to confirm some of the particular taliban or al-CIAda rebels are dead for sure based on a database already in place?
[03:15] <iheartubuntu1> they would be matching up irises like they do fingerprints
[19:17] <iheartubuntu> do we have any chess players here?
[19:17] <kevin7060> i've dabbled
[19:18] <kevin7060> oh ay, iheartubuntu #ubuntu-classroom has a class on python multimedia if you're interested
[19:19] <iheartubuntu> is kevin7060 aka seidos
[19:19] <iheartubuntu> no time :(
[19:20] <iheartubuntu> i want to pick up some chess strategies before i head into the weekend and play against some new friends. the guy thinks im an expert :) and i havent played chess for years :)
[19:20] <akk> I've played some, but forgotten most of what I knew.
[19:21] <iheartubuntu> im quickly trying to find some good opening moves and gain some knowledge on controlling the middle of the game
[19:21] <akk> was never expert level
[19:21] <iheartubuntu> i was never any good :) backgammon is my game
[19:21] <akk> Books -- "How to open a chess game" and "logical chess, move by move" are great.
[19:23] <seidos> i just played against glchess on easy
[19:23] <iheartubuntu> id never heard of the "En Passant" move
[19:23] <iheartubuntu> castling, yeah... en passant no
[19:24] <seidos> what are you playing for?  fun? bragging rights?  $$$?
[19:24] <iheartubuntu> fun
[19:24] <akk> You're gonna want to know all the rules if you want to keep up your "expert" reputation. :)
[19:24] <iheartubuntu> but i hyped myself u pa bit :)
[19:24] <iheartubuntu> now this guy thinks he has a real challenge ahead of him
[19:24] <seidos> en passant, never used it, never had it used on me
[19:24] <iheartubuntu> every time he emails me he "awaits our glorious chess battle"
[19:24]  * erichammond has a UCSF rating (not spectacular).
[19:25] <iheartubuntu> i guess im better at bluffing :)
[19:25] <iheartubuntu> what is UCSF rating?
[19:25] <seidos> oh, interesting
[19:25] <erichammond> US Chess Federation.
[19:25] <akk> US Chess Federation
[19:25] <iheartubuntu> ohh wow!
[19:25] <seidos> that would be USCF, not UCSF
[19:25] <akk> Expert means 2000-2200 IIRC.
[19:25] <erichammond> My son played chess competitively when he was 8-9.   Did well at nationals: Played to a draw against the national champion.
[19:26] <erichammond> yah, uscf
[19:26]  * akk had a provisional 1385 rating once, long long ago
[19:26] <seidos> though, i heard UCSF has a medicine track, and Berkeley does not
[19:26] <seidos> i have never been rated, and i'm pretty sure i can only stalemate gnuchess
[19:27] <iheartubuntu> so how do i gain some skills before the weekend?
[19:27] <seidos> play glchess on easy
[19:27] <akk> book and playing
[19:27] <iheartubuntu> im on GNU chess server right now
[19:27] <iheartubuntu> i dont think there is an easy option
[19:27] <erichammond> iheartubuntu: Play lots of short games on http://www.freechess.org
[19:27] <seidos> oh you're on the server?
[19:27] <seidos> speed chess
[19:27] <erichammond> and watch how other people beat you.
[19:28] <erichammond> read introductory books
[19:28] <akk> You aren't going to convince anyone you're an expert player by just playing on your own -- gotta study some openings.
[19:28] <seidos> that's what is so great about playing against the computer :)
[19:28] <erichammond> hire a tutor
[19:28] <akk> You'll at least need to know the Ruy Lopez and Sicilian.
[19:28] <seidos> analyze the computers move
[19:28] <seidos> you can even play against yourself
[19:29] <seidos> apostrophe fail
[19:29] <iheartubuntu> if heard of the sicilian and also the english opening
[19:29]  * seidos whips himself with a wet noodle
[19:29] <seidos> let me try to find you on the server iheartubuntu
[19:29] <seidos> i don't have glchess installed presently
[19:29] <iheartubuntu> im on the ggzgamingzone built into glchess
[19:30] <seidos> yeah, i've played that a few times with a friend
[19:30] <seidos> his internet persona is presently dead however
[19:30] <iheartubuntu> i think u can type in any name
[19:31] <iheartubuntu> maybe im bluffing and waiting to trump seidos right now ;)
[19:31] <seidos> that wouldn't surprise me, really
[19:31] <iheartubuntu> HAHA
[19:31] <iheartubuntu> actually. im no good really
[19:31] <seidos> if you trump me, i'll start calling you "the donald"
[19:31] <iheartubuntu> i need to learn
[19:32] <seidos> me too, i've lost way too many times
[19:32] <iheartubuntu> dad taught me long ago, but one of my brothers who lived in greece picked up backgammon there and bought me a board and ive been hooked on backgammon since i was a kid
[19:32] <seidos> my cousin taught me i think
[19:37] <iheartubuntu> seidos and are in in a game in glchess
[19:45] <nhaines> pleia2: http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale9x/presentations/finding-help-ubuntu
[19:49] <nhaines> DarkwingDuck: http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale9x/presentations/your-guide-kubuntu
[20:10] <seidos> cool a video!
[20:10] <seidos> uncool, the stark lighting
[20:15] <seidos> well, it's still nice to hear the voice of fellow ubuntu knight while i play chess to stalemate
[20:16] <iheartubuntu> has it timed out?
[20:16] <iheartubuntu> i got a chess crash error
[20:17] <seidos> i think you'll have to undo a move again
[20:17] <iheartubuntu> ohh well
[20:17] <iheartubuntu> i would have lost
[20:18] <seidos> no, it would have been a stalemate i think
[20:18] <seidos> well, we can now metaphorically rebuild, i hope some of the pawns or rooks are female
[20:18] <seidos> otherwise we're going to be extinct
[20:18] <iheartubuntu> rebuild?
[20:18] <iheartubuntu> good game anyways
[20:19] <iheartubuntu> exciting!
[20:19] <seidos> i'm extrapolating a story behind the crowns
[20:19] <seidos> did you see that pawn's face come apart?
[20:19] <seidos> :|
[20:19] <seidos> who knew chess was so violent
[20:20] <iheartubuntu> it was going good there for a while, then got ugly
[20:20] <iheartubuntu> i dont know why castling didnt work for me
[20:20] <seidos> i think you moved your king?
[20:20] <seidos> or my bishop was blocking it?
[20:21] <iheartubuntu> ohhh
[20:21] <seidos> it looks like we are evenly matched
[20:21] <seidos> that was cool, i like playing with you better than the computer
[20:21] <seidos> the computer doesn't talk to me :(
[20:21]  * seidos laughs
[20:40] <iheartubuntu> who was that guy talking about gnibbles
[20:40] <iheartubuntu> distracting
[20:40] <saytwo> i dunno, just some dude i think
[20:41] <saytwo> i'm pretty sure that's never happeend to me before iheartubuntu
[20:41] <saytwo> oh, hey, i should have my bot join
[20:41] <kevin4896> class of '96
[20:42] <kevin4896> buddyjr: hello
[20:42] <buddyjr> Processing...................
[20:42] <kevin4896> :P
[20:43] <kevin4896> oh yeah, i pasted this<EMAIL_ADDRESS>in #slackware-offtopic and they said there is personal data in it
[21:06] <iheartubuntu> am i seeing an email and password within the link?
[22:20] <kdub_> slow news day on us-ca
[22:26] <kevin4896> iheartubuntu: i guess, but it's not mine so i'm not worried about it
[22:26] <kevin4896> i did feel like i did something wrong for a second though
[22:27] <kevin4896> dang, getting old
[22:28] <kevin4896> wrist is hurting
[22:28] <kevin4896> better find something else to do besides typing
[22:30] <kevin4896> i should find some good Hawaiian music to listen to
[22:31] <kevin4896> which makes me wonder...what is "Californian music" these days?
[22:32] <kdub_> kevin4896: i switched to dvorak, finds it helps with the wrist strain
[22:39] <iheartubuntu> i have hawaiian music
[22:39] <iheartubuntu> http://yp.shoutcast.com/sbin/tunein-station.pls?id=1272790
[23:10] <kevin4896> kdub_: it's a notebook, so switching is a bit harder.  oddly my left hand is fine
[23:11] <kevin4896> i should probably observe the hand while it moves over the keys
[23:12] <kevin4896> hmmm maybe i use the home, end, and del keys too much
[23:29] <kevin4896> iheartubuntu: that isn't bad, but i was looking for another style
[23:31] <kevin4896> i'm reluctant to say it but this stuff sound like it's been incepted with WASP like theme
[23:36] <kevin4896> hmmm, looks like i hit backspace too much, surprise surprise
[23:36] <kevin4896> anyway