[12:05] <_skaag> nice
[12:07] <_skaag> damn latest firefox in ubuntu is 1.0.2
[12:08] <_skaag> ah no that's just a wrong version number
[12:10] <_pax> yes.
[12:11] <_pax> general.useragent.vendorSub 1.0.4
[12:11] <_skaag> it didn't update my theme... weird
[12:11] <_skaag> yes I changed that, found plastikfox
[12:11] <_skaag> clicked to install it
[12:11] <_skaag> selected to use the theme
[12:11] <_skaag> restarted firefox
[12:12] <_pax> restarted after ver change?
[12:12] <_skaag> yes
[12:12] <_skaag> I could access the update
[12:12] <_skaag> there, it worked now
[12:12] <_pax> :)
[12:12] <_skaag> beautiful
[12:12] <_pax> indeed
[12:13] <_pax> clean calm look.
[12:13] <_skaag> yes I agree
[12:14] <_pax> you know how to restart HDCP?
[12:14] <uniq> DHCP?
[12:14] <_pax> DHCP*
[12:14] <uniq> the server or the client?
[12:14] <_pax> client
[12:14] <ompaul> _pax, 'sudo dhclient'
[12:14] <_pax> great, thanks ompaul
[12:14] <uniq> or better 'sudo dhclient device'
[12:15] <uniq> where device is something like eth0 or wlan0
[12:15] <_pax> thanks uniq
[12:15] <_pax> I hooked a router and couldn't figure out how to restart
[12:17] <_pax> guys and the server if you don't mind?
[12:20] <uniq> restart the dhcp server? - sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp restart
[12:21] <uniq> i doubt you have that installed.
[12:21] <uniq> if you didn't install it and configure it though.
[12:21] <_pax> nah didnt .. just for future reference.
[12:21] <_pax> thanks.
[12:21] <uniq> no problem.
[12:22] <_pax> so then it should be in /etc/rc.d/init.ddhcp 'proly
[12:22] <uniq>  /etc/init.d/dhcp
[12:22] <_pax> :)
[12:24] <_pax> uniq: do you use firestarter?
[12:24] <uniq> no, sorry.. i write my own rules.
[12:24] <_pax> ok.
[12:25] <uniq> what's the problem?
[12:25] <_pax> when I restarter dhcp I can't see events any more
[12:26] <_pax> looked for the config file nothing about it, seems like it can handle dynamic ip, but not in my case
[12:34] <somerville32> Hey everyone :)
[12:34] <somerville32> I got kubuntu installed
[12:34] <somerville32> I don't think it detects my sound card though
[12:34] <somerville32> How do I configure it?
[12:36] <_pax> tried the guide? http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[12:39] <somerville32> thanks
[12:57] <somerville32> Still no sound :(
[01:08] <penguinboy> Howdy Ho Neighbors!
[01:08] <liz4rd> :P
[01:08] <somerville32> Hey
[01:08] <somerville32> Can someone help me get sound working?
[01:08] <penguinboy> hey hey lizzypoo
[01:08] <somerville32> I don't think my card is detected
[01:09] <penguinboy> liz can...he is a linux god
[01:09] <liz4rd> somerville32: what kinda is it
[01:09] <liz4rd> of card
[01:09] <liz4rd> penguinboy: :P LMAFAO NOT
[01:10] <somerville32> I think it is creative
[01:10] <somerville32> but the card isn't detected by kubuntu
[01:10] <liz4rd> sirukin can help
[01:10] <liz4rd> :D
[01:10] <sirukin> huh?
[01:10] <liz4rd> somerville32 needs help
[01:10] <liz4rd> saound problems
[01:11] <somerville32> I need help getting my sound card detected
[01:11] <penguinboy> sirukin is yet another Linux god
[01:11] <somerville32> Kubuntu detect my sound card, it does not
[01:12] <sirukin> is this covered in the ubuntulinux wiki or *ghasp* the forums?
[01:12] <sirukin> what type of soundcard?
[01:12] <somerville32> Actually, I tried the tutorial thingy someone pointed me to
[01:12] <somerville32> but it didn't work
[01:13] <somerville32> And I think it is a creative
[01:13] <liz4rd> i was gonna tell him to modprobe but is creative what he should put in modules?
[01:13] <liz4rd> sudo modprobe snd_creative
[01:13] <somerville32> FATAL: Module snd_creative not found.
[01:14] <sirukin> www.pastebin.ca
[01:14] <somerville32> I'll be sure to use patebin if it is more then one line
[01:14] <sirukin> put the output of "dmesg", "lspci" there
[01:14] <penguinboy> what is that command where you can list your devices?
[01:14] <somerville32> kk
[01:14] <ompaul> how do I grab lots of kde wall papers in a single go
[01:14] <ompaul> kdelook.org seems like a lot of work :-)
[01:15] <penguinboy> it is...but worth it!
[01:15] <penguinboy> exspecially the HOT HOT HOT one of Angelina Jolie
[01:15] <sirukin> ls /lib/modules/2.6.x-x-xxx/
[01:15] <penguinboy> man oh man
[01:15] <sirukin> I think angelina has an ugly face.
[01:16] <sirukin> sure as hell wouldn't mind those lips somewhere though.
[01:17] <somerville32> http://pastebin.ca/15178
[01:17] <penguinboy> you need to see the pic at kde-look.org...her kips look like there are someplace special!
[01:17] <penguinboy> WOW
[01:17] <ompaul> penguinboy, you might consider is 'cat /proc/devices'
[01:18] <penguinboy> rhanks
[01:18] <tibal> Is there special stuff tu use .htacces with apache2 on ubuntu ?
[01:18] <penguinboy> i sent the link to Angelina to liz4rd last night and he got really excited
[01:18] <tibal> it doesn't work with AutFile
[01:19] <tibal> Is there special rights for .htaccess & .htpasswd files ?
[01:19] <sirukin> somerville32, #
[01:19] <sirukin> isapnp: Card 'Creative SB16 PnP'
[01:20] <sirukin> just "modprobe sb"
[01:20] <sirukin> that should do it
[01:20] <sirukin> iirc
[01:20] <sirukin> I have a sb16 card as well
[01:20] <sirukin> or sb16
[01:21] <somerville32> Do I have to reboot or anything?
[01:22] <sirukin> nope
[01:22] <sirukin> if you reboot you'll remove the changes
[01:22] <sirukin> now, open up "/etc/modules" and add "sb" at the bottom
[01:22] <sirukin> sudo nano /etc/modules
[01:22] <sirukin> anyway, next you need to configure your sound daemon
[01:22] <sirukin> however oss should work
[01:23] <somerville32> I like alsa
[01:23] <sirukin> alsamixer
[01:24] <somerville32> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[01:24] <sirukin> you should also consider opening kde's Control Center -> Sound & Multimedia -> Sound System -> turning on auto-suspend and setting to 1 second.
[01:27] <somerville32> alsamixer doesn't work
[01:31] <sirukin> hmm
[01:31] <sirukin> what do you mean it doesn't work?>
[01:32] <somerville32> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[01:32] <sirukin> ha
[01:32] <sirukin> lsmod |grep sb
[01:33] <somerville32> pastebin.com
[01:33] <somerville32> http://pastebin.com
[01:33] <sirukin> hmm
[01:33] <somerville32> hmm... What was it agian?
[01:33] <somerville32> pastebin.ca :)
[01:33] <sirukin> just lsmod |grep sb and tell me if it shows anything
[01:33] <somerville32> it does
[01:33] <sirukin> okay
[01:34] <sirukin> I'm going to watch a dvd
[01:34] <sirukin> :S
[01:34] <sirukin> www.linuxquestions.org
[01:34] <sirukin> search there for your answer.
[01:34] <sirukin> "follow the white rabbit" and what not
[01:42] <somerville32> bash: alsaconf: command not found
[01:42] <_pax> guys any clue why I dont see events any more on firestarter after I used a router to connect both this box and loptop?
[01:45] <Tm_T> somerville32: install it then ;)
[01:45] <somerville32> Which packages?
[01:49] <Tm_T> alsa-utils
[01:49] <Tm_T> use apt-cache search ;)
[01:50] <somerville32> omg... no sound...
[01:50] <somerville32> I'm going to die
[01:52] <monchy> lol
[01:53] <monchy> Tm_T can you try this page for me, http://www.geocities.com/pierceive/adblock/ , just need to know if its just me its not working for
[01:53] <penguinboy> hey monch
[01:53] <monchy> hey penguin
[01:53] <somerville32> If I want to mount a fat32 part., what would type would I provide to mount?
[01:56] <monchy> blah why that guy has to use geocities is beyond me.. ><
[01:56] <abbas>   have a problem kubuntu mount cdrom
[01:56] <abbas> when  plase cd
[01:56] <abbas> abbas abbas computer is slow
[01:56] <Tm_T> monchy: nah, traffic limit ;)
[01:56] <abbas>  just cd but it isn't mount
[01:56] <abbas>  but on the ubuntu it is mount
[01:56] <abbas> why isn't mount on the kubuntu
[01:57] <Tm_T> er
[01:57] <Tm_T> you mean, your cdrom doesnt automount?
[01:58] <abbas> yes
[01:59] <abbas> when i justing cd my computer is slow
[01:59] <thechitowncubs> be helpful people :P
[02:00] <tuerten> hi guys, i was wondering if i can get a hand
[02:00] <Tm_T> yes?
[02:00] <tuerten> i installed bittorrent and bittornado through kynaptic but neither appear in my kubuntu apps menu
[02:01] <Tm_T> abbas: hmm, and "amd" is installed?
[02:01] <abbas> no
[02:02] <abbas> am i install?
[02:02] <Tm_T> please do
[02:03] <abbas> What's the master map style ?        ?
[02:03] <abbas>                     ?                                      ?
[02:03] <abbas>                     ?              config                  ?
[02:03] <abbas>                     ?              onekey                  ?
[02:03] <abbas>                     ?              mountpoint              ?
[02:03] <abbas>                     ?              custom
[02:09] <somerville32> Can anyone help me set up sound?
[02:09] <abbas> isn't do
[02:10] <Tm_T> uhm
[02:14] <abbas> etc/init.d/am-utils: line 38: ypcat: command not found
[02:14] <abbas> /etc/init.d/am-utils: cannot find master map
[02:14] <abbas> invoke-rc.d: initscript am-utils, action "start" failed.
[02:16] <Tm_T> hmm
[02:17] <abbas> Tm_T  can you see by krdc
[02:17] <Tm_T> krdc?
[02:18] <abbas> remote desktop connectin
[02:18] <somerville32> How do I reinstall alsa?
[02:19] <Tm_T> ah
[02:19] <Tm_T> somerville32: apt-get reinstall ?
[02:20] <somerville32> I don't even know the packages I need :(
[02:20] <somerville32> alsaconf and alsamixer don't work
[02:20] <somerville32> alsaconf just doesn't exist
[02:20] <somerville32> How do I mount my fat32 drives?
[02:20] <abbas> install xine
[02:20] <somerville32> somerville32@box:~$ sudo mount -t auto /dev/hdc1/ /windows/
[02:20] <somerville32> Password:
[02:20] <somerville32> mount: special device /dev/hdc1/ does not exist
[02:20] <somerville32>        (a path prefix is not a directory)
[02:22] <abbas> Tm_T ?
[02:22] <Tm_T> somerville32: /dev/hdc1
[02:23] <Tm_T> no trailing slash
[02:23] <Tm_T> abbas: sorry, can't help atm :/
[02:24] <abbas> Tm_T thanks
[02:24] <abbas> mount -t vfat /dev/hdc1 /mnt/windows
[02:29] <abbas> mkdir /home/USER/WINDOWS
[02:29] <abbas> sudo mount -t vfat /dev/hdc1 /home/USER/WINDOWS
[02:31] <abbas> somerville32?
[02:32] <abbas> it is ok.
[02:32] <somerville32> :)
[02:32] <somerville32> Still no sound!
[02:32] <Tm_T> :p
[02:32] <abbas> apt-get install xine
[02:32] <Tm_T> gst <3
[02:32] <abbas> for amorak
[02:33] <abbas> amorak is use xine
[02:33] <somerville32> E: Couldn't find package xine
[02:33] <abbas> amorak is use gxine
[02:34] <abbas> apt-get install amarok-xine
[02:34] <somerville32> Couldn't find package amarok-xine
[02:34] <abbas> apt-cache search xine
[02:35] <somerville32> It says stuff
[02:35] <abbas> libarts1-xine
[02:36] <somerville32> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 34 not upgraded.
[02:36] <abbas> apt-get install libarts1-xine
[02:36] <somerville32> Music!
[02:36] <somerville32> I hear music!
[02:36] <somerville32> Music from juk!
[02:37] <somerville32> I hear sound!
[02:37] <somerville32> omg!
[02:37] <Heart_2> how can i change utf8 to iso-.... on kubuntu?
[02:37] <somerville32> Sound!
[02:37] <abbas> apt-get install amorak
[02:38] <somerville32> I already have amorak
[02:38] <Tm_T> amorak?
[02:39] <Tm_T> Heart_2: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[02:39] <Tm_T> amaroK is great
[02:39] <abbas> amorak for listen music
[02:40] <Tm_T> yeah
[02:40] <somerville32> amarok won't play music for me
[02:40] <Tm_T> I use 1.3-svn
[02:40] <Tm_T> somerville32: any errors?
[02:40] <Tm_T> try gst w/ osssink
[02:42] <somerville32> no, it just doesn't play
[02:42] <Tm_T> yup, engine problem
[02:42] <Tm_T> check if ossing works
[02:42] <somerville32> The other playres work
[02:42] <abbas> use xine engine
[02:42] <somerville32> Ok, it is working now!
[02:42] <Tm_T> yeah
[02:42] <Tm_T> somerville32: \o/
[02:43] <somerville32> Omg... why is this so on and off :-/
[02:43] <somerville32> Ok, I think I got things working now
[02:43] <Tm_T> great :)
[02:44] <somerville32> The funny thing is... I haven't done anything really
[02:45] <Tm_T> yup
[02:45] <somerville32> Must be the work of the devil
[02:47] <Tm_T> somerville32: ...and amaroK developes with speed: queuemanager <3 http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/amarok_007.jpg
[02:55] <tuerten> hi, i know its probably a stupid problem, but, i installed bittorrent and bittornado through kynaptic but neither appear in my kubuntu apps menu. how do i fix it?
[03:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok i've come to a conclusion
[03:02] <liz4rd> whats that
[03:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that the guy running the mailing lists is very weard
[03:03] <liz4rd> lol
[03:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no offence to him
[03:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> just very very strange
[03:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> if you want i can pastebin the e-mails
[03:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> there so odd
[03:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> much more odder than my original idea
[03:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> which was to create a os for a specfic group of people that have nothing
[03:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[03:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> dunno maybe it was a dumb idea anyway
[03:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hey transgress can i pm you?
[03:09] <transgress> yeah
[03:38] <_somerville32> Problem: Kynaptic won't load
[03:39] <_somerville32> nvm
[03:39] <_somerville32> It is just super slow :P
[03:49] <penguinboy> evening guys
[03:52] <penguinboy> welcome utta
[03:54] <monchy> hey penguin what did you do to liz4rd he's been so quiet lol
[03:55] <_somerville32> Hey
[03:55] <penguinboy> i threatened to let transgress loose on him if he didn't shape up
[03:56] <popeyeray> can java be enabled with ubuntu?
[03:56] <penguinboy> YES
[03:56] <monchy> ubuntuguide.org
[03:56] <sbcl3> popeyeray: what exactly do you need?
[03:56] <sbcl3> you may need to add a few things to /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:56] <popeyeray> jdk 1.5 how to enable
[03:56] <sbcl3> okay
[03:56] <sbcl3> yes
[03:56] <sbcl3> you'll have to add sources
[03:56] <sbcl3> hold on one second
[03:56] <popeyeray> i have problems with the etc alternatives
[03:57] <_somerville32> Can't you just go to the java site and download the installer?
[03:57] <popeyeray> no the system java is in usr bin java set hard
[03:57] <sbcl3> popeyeray:
[03:57] <sbcl3> deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[03:57] <sbcl3> deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[03:57] <penguinboy> welcoem Simon
[03:58] <_Simon> hey guys, I was wondering what the gtk-qt theme package is called, I can't find it anywhere in kynaptic
[03:58] <sbcl3> add that and then apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5
[03:58] <popeyeray> okay i'll try that thanks
[03:58] <_Simon> gnome apps like firefox look like ass on kubuntu
[03:58] <_Simon> lol
[03:58] <sbcl3> thats why theres konqueror
[03:58] <sbcl3> does gecko actually have any advantages over KHTML?
[03:58] <_Simon> well it was just an example
[03:58] <sbcl3> i've found KHTML just as reliable
[03:58] <_Simon> I'm not doing it for firefox
[03:59] <_Simon> I just used that for a common known app hehe
[03:59] <sbcl3> simon: there isn't a qt port for firefox?
[03:59] <_Simon> like I said, its not firefox I'm worried about
[03:59] <_Simon> just using it as an example
[03:59] <sbcl3> i know
[03:59] <sbcl3> i use about 7 gtk apps on kde
[03:59] <_pax> _Simon: you need plastikfox theme then we'll talk.
[03:59] <_Simon> _pax: I'm not looking for firefox, again it was just an example lol
[03:59] <sbcl3> is there a "keramikfox"?
[03:59] <_somerville32> I love the plastik theme :)
[04:00] <_Simon> I'm looking for general gnome apps to theme with qt using that gtk-qt theme thingy
[04:00] <_Simon> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=40119
[04:00] <_Simon> I'm running MonoDevelop on kubuntu, but looks like ass with flat gtk look
[04:00] <_Simon> but couldn't find that package in kynaptic
[04:01] <sbcl3> guys...if i've installed an apt with ./configure, and want to upgrade, do i do a "make clean" instead of just plain old "make"?
[04:02] <_somerville32> Ummm...
[04:02] <_somerville32> My computer is making weird noises now...
[04:02] <sbcl3> that can't be good
[04:02] <popeyeray>  apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5
[04:02] <popeyeray> Couldn't find package sun-j2sdk1.5
[04:02] <popeyeray> It didn't work
[04:02] <sbcl3> popeyeray: did you refresh the package info?
[04:02] <sbcl3> (apt-get update)
[04:02] <popeyeray> okay let me try that
[04:03] <_Simon> is gtk2-engines-gtk-qt somewhere in the package list for apt? I can't find it anywhere
[04:03] <sbcl3> or, in kynaptic, hit the refresh button
[04:05] <_Simon> do I need to add another repository to apt somehow to get gtk2-engines-gtk-qt?
[04:06] <sbcl3> what does gtk2-engines-gtk-qt do?
[04:06] <_Simon> it makes your GTK apps take on your current Qt theme
[04:06] <sbcl3> cool~
[04:06] <sbcl3> *!
[04:07] <sbcl3> where can i get that?
[04:07] <_Simon> yes very, well thats my problem
[04:07] <sbcl3> hmm
[04:07] <_Simon> I found forum topics about people doing it, but nobody explains where to get the package from!
[04:07] <_Simon> like this one
[04:07] <_Simon> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=40119
[04:08] <sbcl3> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25507
[04:08] <sbcl3> and this one
[04:09] <sbcl3> http://everybody.good-day.net/~ikuya/debian/sarge/gtk2-engines-gtk-qt/
[04:10] <sbcl3> can you get it there?
[04:10] <_Simon> suppose but I was hoping for a stable ubuntu/kubuntu package
[04:11] <sbcl3> i don't think there is one
[04:12] <_Simon> well people in some forums were apt-get the package
[04:12] <_Simon> but it doesn't find it on my apt
[04:12] <sbcl3> wait a sec...
[04:12] <sbcl3> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/kde/gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[04:12] <sbcl3> i think that one package is down
[04:12] <sbcl3> (this was the first google result)
[04:12] <sbcl3> oh wait
[04:12] <sbcl3> it does work
[04:12] <sbcl3> yeah; just go there
[04:13] <_Simon> ok so why can't we find this with apt then?
[04:13] <sbcl3> dunno
[04:13] <sbcl3> goot question
[04:13] <sbcl3> *good
[04:14] <sbcl3> how do you install a .deb package?
[04:15] <monchy> sudo dpkg -i name.deb
[04:15] <sbcl3> thanks
[04:15] <_Simon> monchy: any ideas why apt can't find this package?
[04:15] <penguinboy> and the prize goes to the monchmeister
[04:15] <monchy> yay what do i win
[04:15] <monchy> and it better not be anything homosexual
[04:15] <_Simon> haha
[04:16] <penguinboy> a kiss from the Lizrd Man
[04:16] <monchy> not sure _Simon, btw
[04:16] <monchy> ew
[04:16] <penguinboy> monchy loves me even though I have an IRC boyfriend!
[04:16] <sbcl3> simon: how do we activate/control this?
[04:16] <monchy> lmao
[04:16] <_Simon> its supposed to show up under kcontrol, appearance
[04:16] <sbcl3> the kde control center?
[04:17] <_Simon> but I can't find the damn package!
[04:17] <_Simon> yeah
[04:17] <penguinboy> Monch...Here is Linux for $800.....how do you turn an RPM into a DEB?
[04:17] <sbcl3> simon: the link i gave you works
[04:17] <penguinboy> 20 seconds
[04:17] <_Simon> yeah but I would like to make it work with apt
[04:17] <penguinboy> 15 seconds monch
[04:17] <_Simon> is there something you have to do, to get packages from universe?
[04:17] <monchy> with alien
[04:18] <penguinboy> no
[04:18] <monchy> can't remember the exact command
[04:18] <penguinboy> the command line
[04:18] <penguinboy> 10 seconds
[04:18] <_Simon> huh?
[04:18] <monchy> go look it up if you need it lol
[04:18] <_Simon> kynaptic can't search universe repository?
[04:18] <penguinboy> i thought we were playing Jeopardy
[04:18] <sbcl3> simon:yeah, it shows up
[04:18] <monchy> we were? i haven't been paying much attention
[04:18] <sbcl3> but my gtk apps don't look nice
[04:19] <penguinboy> sniff sniff...Monch...i can;t believe it...sniff sniff...you are telling me to RTFM!
[04:19] <monchy> that's right! :p
[04:19] <sbcl3> simon: might this need a session restart?
[04:20] <_Simon> no clue, you have to choose a gtk theme
[04:20] <_Simon> where did you get the deb? I don't see it anywhere :(
[04:20] <_pax> I just installed gtk2-engines-gtk-qt from synaptic along with 5 other themes
[04:20] <_Simon> _pax: how!?
[04:20] <_pax> well search for gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[04:20] <_Simon> I search in kynaptic and I don't see it at all
[04:20] <_Simon> I did, it doesn't show up :(
[04:20] <_pax> weird
[04:20] <sbcl3> _pax: i've installed it; how do i activate it?
[04:21] <_Simon> do I have to add something to my apt list
[04:21] <_Simon> ?
[04:21] <sbcl3> all my gtk apps still look real ugly
[04:21] <_pax> sbcl3: Kontrol center
[04:21] <_Simon> this is very frustrating.. sigh
[04:21] <_pax> Control center > Appearence > GTK styles
[04:21] <_Simon> right when I thought package management was getting user friendly switching from redhat to kubuntu
[04:21] <penguinboy> Simon download the rpm if you can find it
[04:21] <_Simon> lol
[04:22] <sbcl3> _pax: the apps don't change though
[04:22] <_pax> they should.
[04:22] <_Simon> I can't find the package anywhere
[04:22] <sbcl3> hmm
[04:22] <penguinboy> what are you lookngi for
[04:22] <sbcl3> seems to work now
[04:22] <sbcl3> thanks
[04:22] <_pax> start something like gftp and see the differnce
[04:22] <_pax> oh, great.
[04:23] <_Simon> gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[04:23] <_Simon> can't find it anywhere in apt :(
[04:25] <_Simon> sigh, getting really frustrated
[04:25] <_pax> wget http://everybody.good-day.net/~ikuya/debian/sarge/gtk2-engines-gtk-qt/gtk2-engines-gtk-qt_0.60-0.1_i386.deb
[04:26] <_Simon> ok I got it, but why do all the ubuntu forums say just get it from apt
[04:26] <_Simon> and kubuntu can't find it anywhere
[04:26] <penguinboy> depends on how good your repository listing is
[04:26] <penguinboy> does anyone know the proper syntax for makedeb???
[04:26] <_Simon> what do you mean how good? isn't my repo the same as everyone elses?
[04:27] <penguinboy> no
[04:27] <penguinboy> you can customize your list
[04:27] <LeeJunFan> mine is bigger than yours.
[04:27] <penguinboy> not everyones source.list is the same
[04:27] <LeeJunFan> :)
[04:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone know of a really good lcars theme for kubuntu?
[04:27] <penguinboy> LOL
[04:27] <penguinboy> LOL
[04:27] <_Simon> how do you customize it? how do you add so you can get packages from universe?
[04:27] <_Simon> thats where it says its located
[04:27] <penguinboy> check www.kde-look.com
[04:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i did
[04:27] <_pax> _Simon: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[04:28] <penguinboy> si
[04:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> there all lcars hybrids
[04:28] <sbcl3> isn't it kde-look.org?
[04:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nothing really next generation
[04:28] <LeeJunFan> _Simon: and man sources.list to understand it.
[04:28] <_Simon> ok thanks
[04:28] <_Simon> hmm how did you get it to take on the new theme? it shows up in kcontrol now
[04:28] <penguinboy> simon from terminal type cd etc/apts
[04:28] <_Simon> but the app still looks ol
[04:28] <_Simon> old
[04:28] <penguinboy> and then sudo pico sources.list
[04:29] <penguinboy> that will show you your repositiories
[04:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea i went ro kde-look and they really arn't lcars :(
[04:29] <penguinboy> send me your Email and I will send you my sources.list...it is comprehensive
[04:29] <_Simon> ahh there we go
[04:29] <_Simon> picked Qt
[04:29] <_Simon> must be a little bug in the themer, cool this is awesome :)
[04:29] <_pax> penguinboy<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:30] <penguinboy> does anyone know the proper syntax for makedeb
[04:30] <_Simon> thanks a ton guys!
[04:30] <_pax> _Simon: that tells me, it's working :)
[04:31] <_Simon> hehehe
[04:31] <_Simon> looks much nicer now!
[04:33] <penguinboy> pax: on its way!
[04:33] <penguinboy> does anyone know the proper syntax for makedeb
[04:33] <penguinboy> hey buddy boy
[04:33] <penguinboy> make way for the Linux god
[04:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> steps aside ^_^
[04:37] <penguinboy> O_o
[04:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone here know what  talisman is?
[04:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i tryed google but don't seem to be able to find anything on it
[04:43] <penguinboy> O_o
[04:46] <penguinboy> p_O
[04:52] <penguinboy> help makedeb
[04:54] <penguinboy> Jeezis how do you turn an rpm into a deb
[04:54] <crimsun> use alien
[04:54] <penguinboy> yes i know...but i would like to kniow the script
[04:55] <crimsun> alien -i foo.rpm
[04:56] <penguinboy> thans
[04:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how to install a theme for kde?
[04:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> theres a readme file but nothing it contains tells you how to install the theme
[04:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ?
[04:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hello?
[05:03] <penguinboy> OCTANE!
[05:03] <penguinboy> i need your help buddy boy
[05:03] <Octane> penguinboy, whats up man
[05:04] <penguinboy> i need to install shockwave, flash, and azureus
[05:04] <penguinboy> i downloaded the flash tarball and ran tar
[05:04] <penguinboy> do i need to do more>?
[05:05] <Octane> uhm
[05:05] <penguinboy> like make install
[05:05] <Octane> you run x86 or 64?
[05:05] <penguinboy> x86
[05:05] <LeeJunFan> penguinboy: hehe, then consider yourself over 1/2 way there :)
[05:05] <penguinboy> lol
[05:05] <penguinboy> lol
[05:06] <penguinboy> lol
[05:06] <penguinboy> what do i do next then LeeJunFan
[05:06] <penguinboy> i tried ./configure, make, and make install but got errors
[05:06] <LeeJunFan> you need to copy the libs from the flash tarball to your plugins dir.
[05:06] <penguinboy> you gotta be kidding
[05:07] <LeeJunFan> penguinboy: there's nothing to config/make since it's binary only.
[05:07] <penguinboy> penguinboy@desktop:~/Desktop/install_flash_player_7_linux$ ls
[05:07] <penguinboy> flashplayer-installer  flashplayer.xpt  libflashplayer.so  Readme.htm  Readme.txt
[05:07] <penguinboy> this is the content of the directory
[05:07] <LeeJunFan> junfan@jkd:~/.mozilla/plugins$ ls
[05:07] <LeeJunFan> flashplayer.xpt  libflashplayer.so
[05:07] <penguinboy> yes I see the readme.txt but asking is so muchmore fun
[05:08] <LeeJunFan> just copy those 2 files to ~/.mozilla/plugins/.
[05:09] <penguinboy> penguinboy@desktop:~/Desktop/install_flash_player_7_linux$ cd ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[05:09] <penguinboy> bash: cd: /home/penguinboy/.mozilla/plugins/: No such file or directory
[05:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is .xpm a valid theme file for kubuntu
[05:09] <LeeJunFan> mkdir -p ~/.mozilla/plugins
[05:10] <penguinboy> then just copy
[05:11] <LeeJunFan> yeah
[05:11] <penguinboy> would the suntax be copy /home/penguinboy/Dekstop/install_flash_player_7_linux/flashplayer.xpt /home/penguinboy/.mozilla/plugins/???
[05:12] <penguinboy> nope
[05:12] <LeeJunFan> cp
[05:14] <penguinboy> why didn;t this work????
[05:15] <penguinboy> penguinboy@desktop:~/.mozilla/plugins$ cp flashplayer.xpt home/penguinboy/.mozilla/plugins/
[05:15] <penguinboy> cp: cannot stat `flashplayer.xpt': No such file or directory
[05:15] <penguinboy> the tilde
[05:15] <penguinboy> no tilde
[05:15] <LeeJunFan> you aren't in the directory where the file is.
[05:15] <LeeJunFan> so cp doesn't see it.
[05:16] <penguinboy> no what?
[05:16] <penguinboy> now
[05:16] <penguinboy> enguinboy@desktop:~/.mozilla/plugins$ cp flashplayer.xpt home/penguinboy/.mozilla/plugins/
[05:16] <penguinboy> cp: cannot stat `flashplayer.xpt': No such file or directory
[05:17] <LeeJunFan> you still aren't in the dir where flashplayer.xpt is, you are in the dir where it's going to go.
[05:17] <LeeJunFan> you can specify the path of where it is and give . as the destination.
[05:18] <LeeJunFan> ie. cp ~/<wherever the fuck the dir is>/flashplayer.xpt .
[05:18] <LeeJunFan> means to copy from ~/<wherever the fuck the dir is>/flashplayer.xpt    and put it in your current directory (.)
[05:19] <penguinboy> penguinboy@desktop:~/install_flash_player_7_linux$ ls
[05:19] <penguinboy> flashplayer-installer  flashplayer.xpt  libflashplayer.so  Readme.htm  Readme.txt
[05:19] <penguinboy> penguinboy@desktop:~/install_flash_player_7_linux$ cp flashplayer.xpt home/penguinboy/~/.mozilla/plugins/
[05:19] <penguinboy> cp: cannot create regular file `home/penguinboy/~/.mozilla/plugins/flashplayer.xpt': No such file or directory
[05:19] <penguinboy> penguinboy@desktop:~/install_flash_player_7_linux$
[05:20] <LeeJunFan> what's wrong with this destination? home/penguinboy/~/.mozilla/plugins/flashplayer.xpt
[05:20] <penguinboy> calgon take me away
[05:20] <penguinboy> oops
[05:20] <LeeJunFan> you must be an old bastard like me to remember that calgon shit.
[05:21] <penguinboy> lol
[05:21] <penguinboy> 25
[05:22] <Brazmetal> Hey people... Could someone take a look at my thread at ubuntuforums.org??? It's a printer problem
[05:24] <penguinboy> okay files copied...now what LeeJunFan
[05:25] <Brazmetal> Hey people... Could someone take a look at my thread at ubuntuforums.org??? It's a printer problem
[05:25] <penguinboy> sorry....I do nto know printers
[05:25] <Brazmetal> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=221732#post221732
[05:25] <LeeJunFan> penguinboy: you should be good to go.
[05:25] <penguinboy> gracias
[05:26] <LeeJunFan> penguinboy: load up firefox or mozilla and type in the address bar: about:plugins
[05:26] <penguinboy> now can you aptitude get shockwave or is it a tarball?
[05:26] <LeeJunFan> it should show you the installed plugins, and flash should be in the list.
[05:26] <LeeJunFan> Don't know that shockwave is avail for linux?
[05:26] <LeeJunFan> penguinboy: afaik just flashplayer is.
[05:27] <penguinboy> flash is there!
[05:27] <penguinboy> gracias mi amigo
[05:27] <LeeJunFan> http://www.petitiononline.com/linuxswp/petition.html
[05:27] <LeeJunFan> you're welcome
[05:31] <LeeJunFan> Brazmetal: do you have a ppd driver for your printer from linuxprinting.org?
[05:31] <penguinboy> there are now 10,588 signatures
[05:32] <Brazmetal> LeeJunFan, yes... It comes with cupsys
[05:36] <LeeJunFan> Brazmetal: but the one from the site is likely newer and may include fixes. ie - the one included in hoary doesn't work with my laserjet1012, but the one from the site does.
[05:40] <[ADULT_SWIM] > um is a .xpm file a valid theme file?
[05:50] <penguinboy> penguinboy@desktop:~/Desktop/Downloads/Azureus$ bunzip2 Azureus_<IP_ADDRESS>_linux.GTK.tar.bz2
[05:50] <penguinboy> penguinboy@desktop:~/Desktop/Downloads/Azureus$ ls
[05:50] <penguinboy> Azureus_<IP_ADDRESS>_linux.GTK.tar
[05:50] <penguinboy> penguinboy@desktop:~/Desktop/Downloads/Azureus$
[05:50] <penguinboy> ubuntu:  what do I do now???
[05:50] <penguinboy> do I tar it
[05:56] <[ADULT_SWIM] > can anyone help me install a theme (think it's a theme) in kubuntu?
[05:57] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i'm having a hard time trying to figure it out
[06:02] <[ADULT_SWIM] > um ok
[06:02] <[ADULT_SWIM] > diden't mean to >.<
[06:02] <[ADULT_SWIM] > there it's back to normal >.<
[06:05] <[ADULT_SWIM] > whoa neat
[06:05] <[ADULT_SWIM] > well at least theres something usefull there now
[06:05] <[ADULT_SWIM] > so no one knows how to install a theme
[06:06] <_pax> what kinda theme?
[06:07] <[ADULT_SWIM] > it's a star trek theme for kde
[06:07] <[ADULT_SWIM] > but theme manager dosen't see it
[06:07] <[ADULT_SWIM] > and i can't figure out the documentation
[06:07] <_pax> no readme?
[06:07] <[ADULT_SWIM] > it's beyond my lvl of understanding at this time
[06:07] <[ADULT_SWIM] > yea there is but nothing that indicates what to do
[06:08] <[ADULT_SWIM] > it just tells who made it basicly
[06:09] <[ADULT_SWIM] > there is 1 file in there called lcars441.schema
[06:10] <[ADULT_SWIM] > and one that looks like a gear that says LCARS_ACCESS_441.themerc
[06:10] <[ADULT_SWIM] > but that it
[06:11] <[ADULT_SWIM] > _pax you there?
[06:12] <_pax> yes sir
[06:12] <[ADULT_SWIM] > oh ok any ideas?
[06:12] <_pax> if the theme is a mes can't you find a better one?
[06:13] <[ADULT_SWIM] > i could try
[06:29] <PaloDeQueso> So I'm trying to manually install the latest nvidia drivers and I got to the point where it wants to start compiling, like it found /usr/src/linux and was happy, but then it gave an error message say ing I should read the log and exited :( So I read the log and I can't make haeads or tails of it, perhaps someone can help?
[06:32] <duende> Anyone know how to stop konqueror from auto-opening a deb file in kate?   Done
[10:47] <iulik> Building dependency tree... Done
[10:47] <iulik> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
[10:47] <iulik> :(
[10:48] <thoreauputic> iulik: your /etc/apt/sources.list is incomplete
[10:48] <iulik> and how can i complete it?
[10:48] <thoreauputic> iulik: have you altered your sources at all?
[10:49] <iulik> i'm new in linux
[10:49] <thoreauputic> OK
[10:49] <iulik> this is my first linux installation
[10:49] <liz4rd> yay
[10:49] <liz4rd> welcome
[10:49] <iulik> learning :)
[10:50] <thoreauputic> iulik: do you know how to edit a file or do you want to point-and-click?
[10:50] <iulik> :) ofcourse?
[10:50] <thoreauputic> iulik: you can enable sources in the package manager ( synaptic)
[10:50] <liz4rd> use aptitude or apt-getr
[10:50] <otep> ei
[10:50] <liz4rd> get*
[10:50] <DanielC> Hey, where could I see some screenshots of kubuntu?
[10:51] <liz4rd> Daniel: google?
[10:51] <DanielC> I tried.
[10:51] <DanielC> :(
[10:51] <iulik> i tried this but i could't find kde
[10:51] <thoreauputic> iulik: if you don't mind a bit of simple editing, do this:
[10:51] <DanielC> I'm looking around kubuntu.org
[10:51] <cazabam> DanielC: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=286&slide=1
[10:51] <DanielC> thanks
[10:51] <iulik> i edit sources.list
[10:52] <thoreauputic> iulik: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list    and remove the # mark from the lines starting with "deb"
[10:52] <iulik> i did that, i'm trying to install
[10:52] <thoreauputic> then sudo apt-get update
[10:52] <thoreauputic> well, if it can't find kubuntu-desktop you made a mistake
[10:53] <iulik> no such file or directory
[10:54] <iulik> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ro.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ro.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:55] <iulik> what shoul i do in this case?
[10:55] <thoreauputic> iulik: try a different mirror perhaps - remove the ro. from all lines so you have archive.ubuntu.com
[10:55] <thoreauputic> don't forget to reload/update after editing
[10:56] <thoreauputic> archive.ubuntu.com is the default server ( in the UK i think)
[10:56] <iulik> Reading package lists... Done
[10:56] <iulik> Building dependency tree... Done
[10:56] <iulik> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_universe_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[10:56] <iulik> what server should i try?
[10:57] <thoreauputic> iulik: that's odd - maybe they are synching the server - try again in an hour or two perhaps
[10:57] <iulik> ok
[10:57] <iulik> i will
[10:59] <thoreauputic> iulik: are you sure your sources.list is correct? It's easy to get it slightly wrong and not notice...
[10:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> like a space at the start or end :S
[10:59] <iulik> look:
[11:01] <iulik> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[11:01] <iulik> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[11:01] <iulik> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[11:01] <iulik> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[11:01] <iulik> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[11:01] <iulik> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[11:01] <iulik> i think is ok
[11:02] <liz4rd> OMG REPOS!!!
[11:02] <liz4rd> :P
[11:02] <thoreauputic> iulik: no
[11:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[11:02] <iulik> no :)
[11:02] <thoreauputic> iulik: where is main?
[11:03] <thoreauputic> iulik: you have security, but you've lost main
[11:03] <iulik> what main?
[11:04] <thoreauputic> iulik: I can show you mine in #flood if you wish
[11:04] <thoreauputic> iulik: main is the most imposrtant repo :)
[11:04] <iulik> ok
[11:04] <iulik> show me
[11:05] <thoreauputic> iulik: /join #flood
[11:05] <iulik> i am on #flood
[11:06] <liz4rd> pastebin.com
[11:06] <thoreauputic> iulik: got it?
[11:07] <iulik> yes
[11:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> do Kubuntu have thier own reppos?
[11:07] <liz4rd> yes
[11:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, i thought they used ubuntus
[11:08] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: umm... the repos are the same except for security I think
[11:09] <liz4rd> yeah
[11:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh OK.
[11:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> might record that... i thought they were the same
[11:09] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: they are mostly
[11:09] <iulik> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://au.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/au.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[11:10] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: this is the only extra line I have:
[11:10] <thoreauputic> deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main
[11:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> OK. didnt know you were in aust :o
[11:10] <DanielC> http://linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2005062000926RVSW#talkback_area
[11:10] <iulik> yes but is shoul work
[11:10] <DanielC>
[11:10] <iulik> doesn't mather the country (i think)
[11:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> i get them from Internode, so countires irellevent
[11:11] <thoreauputic> iulik: that list works fine - something else is wrong then
[11:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> but no, it's not a problem afaik
[11:12] <thoreauputic> iulik: you did do ` sudo apt-get update ` ?
[11:12] <thoreauputic> or reload in synaptic
[11:12] <thoreauputic> actually the au. machine is in the UK - heh :)
[11:12] <iulik> i updated now, i think it works
[11:13] <iulik> how long you use linux?
[11:13] <thoreauputic> iulik: update each time you use synaptic or apt - it makes sure you have a complete up to date listing
[11:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol theor
[11:14] <thoreauputic> iulik: about 2 and a half years
[11:14] <iulik> ok
[11:15] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: you're with internode? Happy with them?
[11:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> hell yes :D
[11:15] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: I'm considering them as ISP
[11:15] <thoreauputic> heheh
[11:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic, they mirror lots of Linux, so if that's your thing, they are greate
[11:16] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: they keep the Ubuntu repos up to date ?
[11:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[11:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> usualy they are less then 12 hours out
[11:16] <thoreauputic> good :)
[11:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> the list of files they have is 125MB  :S
[11:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> they have about 1.6TB of data IIRC
[11:17] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: I've heard good things about them
[11:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> Internode users don't like people talking badness about thier isp...
[11:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> whether it's true or not
[11:18] <thoreauputic> heheh - you drank all the kool-aid then ;-) ?
[11:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. i don't drink it ;)
[11:19] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: you're in WA right ?
[11:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> nope. SA
[11:19] <thoreauputic> ah
[11:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> home of Internode ;)
[11:19] <thoreauputic> internode are SA based I believe ?
[11:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[11:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> and agile, thier sister company
[11:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0 full on
[11:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> who you with now?
[11:21] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: oh, I'm still on dialup with optusnet :(
[11:21] <thoreauputic> optus is OK though
[11:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh .... :(
[11:21] <iulik> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[11:21] <iulik>   kaffeine knetworkconf
[11:21] <iulik> i got that answer (up )
[11:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> O-o
[11:21] <thoreauputic> iulik: oh - just ignore that
[11:21] <iulik> ok
[11:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, pres y
[11:22] <thoreauputic> it's because your gpg keys are wrong
[11:22] <iulik> sorry, but i don't know what is a gcp key?
[11:23] <thoreauputic> it's a key that allows the server to authenticate - as you are using the righ tserver, i wouldn't worry
[11:23] <iulik> what shoul i know aboun (in) linux ?
[11:23] <thoreauputic> gpg = gnu privacy guard or something like that (not sure)
[11:23] <iulik> for a beginner?
[11:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> when your working on cray, then you care, if not, it's not a problem ;) securitys not that big an isue
[11:24] <thoreauputic> iulik: that's like asking "what should I know about the Universe?"
[11:24] <thoreauputic> heh
[11:24] <iulik> :))
[11:24] <thoreauputic> iulik: have a look at http://tuxfiles.org
[11:25] <iulik> how it got in this stage :)  (joking)
[11:25] <thoreauputic> iulik: and the ubuntu wiki
[11:25] <iulik> k
[11:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have about 200 mb of ebooks etc ready for download...
[11:27] <iulik> where?
[11:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> the wiki?
[11:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubuntulinux.org/wiki
[11:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> and ubuntuguide.org
[11:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> and ubuntuforums.org are good
[11:27] <iulik> no, the adress where you have 200 mb of ebooks
[11:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> from all over the place.
[11:49] <unome> Any recent interesting ebooks?
[11:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> havent looked at any. just got pointed at them. still have to look
[11:50] <unome> ah
[11:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi chameleon22
[11:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> what do people think of python as a language?
[11:51] <Chameleon22> ello all
[11:51] <liz4rd> Chameleon22 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:51] <liz4rd> *tackles*
[11:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[11:51] <Chameleon22> i personaly dont like it but it is gaining a very big industry follwoing
[11:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> any particular reason you don't like it?
[11:51] <liz4rd> i have alwasy wanted to learn python
[11:52] <Chameleon22> and its quiet powerful in terms of what you can do with it although OO parts of it look they were "grafted" on later
[11:52] <Chameleon22> i dont like it... dont like language syntax lol
[11:52] <Chameleon22> thats about the only reason
[11:52] <Chameleon22> everything else is great about that language but i already know enough to learn that one :p
[11:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have nothing to compare it with realy. i did a bit of cpp before, and some bash now. no real coding at all thought
[11:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> *though
[11:53] <Chameleon22> well cpp will let you learn most languages quiet fast
[11:53] <Chameleon22> as will c
[11:53] <unome> when setting a browser as default (to pick up clicked links), what do you end the comand with? u% ?
[11:53] <Chameleon22> although i think java or c# is excellent as a first language
[11:54] <liz4rd> i want python to be my first
[11:54] <liz4rd> XD that sounded wrong
[11:54] <liz4rd> mmmmm i love lizards :P
[11:54] <Chameleon22> liz4yes it did my yuong friend
[11:54] <unome> trying to set firefox as the default in Kubuntu
[11:54] <Chameleon22> liz4rd, i wouldnt recomend it
[11:54] <liz4rd> nothign els seems easyer
[11:55] <Chameleon22> Java or C# ....
[11:55] <liz4rd> nah
[11:55] <liz4rd> i hate java with a passion
[11:55] <liz4rd> "{
[11:55] <liz4rd> :P*
[11:55] <Chameleon22> umm i dont think you are in a position to say yuong grasshopper
[11:55] <Chameleon22> java and c# is the way of the future man
[11:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> mores the pity :(
[11:55] <liz4rd> :( *bows head* yes great locust
[11:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[11:56] <Chameleon22> and java and c# are ALMOST the same syntax and theory and fucking concept wise
[11:56] <liz4rd> cool
[11:56] <Chameleon22> infact when i first saw c sharp i thought it was java lol
[11:56] <liz4rd> lol
[11:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> i want to learn assembler.
[11:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> just need to learn somthing first
[11:56] <Chameleon22> Kamping_/me knocks Kamping_Kaiser out
[11:56] <unome> Anyone?
[11:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure unome
[11:56] <Chameleon22> Kamping_Kaiser, i can code Motorolla 68000 Asembler lol
[11:57] <Chameleon22> unome, dont know
[11:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol.
[11:57] <Chameleon22> eh hardly a master, aprentice jedi more like it lol
[11:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> i want to do 8086 and X86
[11:57] <liz4rd> LMAO
[11:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[11:57] <mindspin> unome in kcontrol ?
[11:57] <Chameleon22> Kamping_Kaiser, ye they are great if you into writing cracks ;)
[11:57] <liz4rd> i watched revenge of the sith yesterday
[11:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[11:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have an 8086
[11:58] <Chameleon22> my gf dragged me to see it, i hate star wars
[11:58] <unome> mindspin: yes, but what do you end firefox with? firefox u% ?
[11:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> chameleon22 realy?
[11:58] <Chameleon22> ye
[11:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> you hate it?
[11:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> the new ones or all of it?
[11:58] <Chameleon22> well i dont, i am indifferent to them
[11:58] <Chameleon22> indifferent to all of them
[11:58] <liz4rd> i thought it was cool
[11:58] <liz4rd> not a fan tho
[11:58] <Chameleon22> each to their own
[12:00] <Chameleon22> any way ... Java and now C# as well are 2 languages that will 1. give you excellent  understanding of different concepts and will also 2. teach you good coding habbits and 3. being derived from C thaht can be assumed to have a "classical" syntax will let you learn most programming languages in about a week
[12:00] <liz4rd> what about a 10th grade 16 year old as my self?
[12:00] <Chameleon22> liz4rd, as your first language
[12:00] <Chameleon22> ?
[12:01] <liz4rd> yeah
[12:01] <Chameleon22> Java or C#
[12:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you got time cred liz4rd.. i looked in class 10, didnt have time
[12:01] <Chameleon22> i like java cause i know it, but C# and .NET in general fetches some serious money right now
[12:02] <mindspin> unome:kcontrol->kde components->file associations
[12:02] <mindspin> firefox %u
[12:03] <unome> not working for me
[12:04] <mindspin> called it with sudo?
[12:04] <Chameleon22> liz4rd, BUT java is currently more widely used and definately has greater support then .net as of now
[12:04] <unome> ofcourse not
[12:04] <mindspin> have a try
[12:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> liz4rd, your in a possition to learn what's popular in 5 years...
[12:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> that's what you should do
[12:04] <mindspin> i mean kcontrol
[12:04] <unome> why would I start a browser as root?
[12:05] <mindspin> not firefox
[12:05] <opi> Chameleon22: yet, C# will catch up
[12:05] <opi> Chameleon22: Java out-of-the-box experience on Linux is far worse than Mono/C#
[12:05] <liz4rd> i was thinking about learning C
[12:05] <opi> Chameleon22: when I had to decite what language should I pick up next, I decited to go with C#
[12:06] <opi> liz4rd: it's a bit old now ;-)
[12:06] <Chameleon22> opi, well as i said there are pros and cons of both
[12:06] <opi> Chameleon22: yup, sure they are
[12:06] <liz4rd> opiL yeah thats why my second would be python
[12:06] <Chameleon22> opi, but definately agree C# is gaining same momentum as java in late 90's
[12:07] <Chameleon22> so yeah definately will catch up
[12:07] <Chameleon22> liz4rd, python should NOT be your 1st language!
[12:07] <liz4rd> ok fine :P
[12:08] <Chameleon22> infact most universities do it in order
[12:08] <Chameleon22> Java/C# then C then everything else
[12:08] <Chameleon22> C will teach you stuff about programming that you would never learn otherwise
[12:08] <Chameleon22> like very low stuff
[12:09] <Chameleon22> low level i mean
[12:09] <liz4rd> mmmm
[12:09] <Chameleon22> the stuff all modern languages hide from you
[12:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[12:09] <liz4rd> its this is hard
[12:09] <Chameleon22> ?
[12:09] <liz4rd> picking a  first lang
[12:09] <opi> C? C can be tricky
[12:09] <Chameleon22> opi, can be?
[12:09] <Chameleon22> it fucking most definately is
[12:10] <opi> well, it is tricky
[12:10] <opi> :-)
[12:10] <opi> I didn't wanted to scare him :D
[12:10] <Chameleon22> but you are not a developer untill you know C
[12:10] <Chameleon22> C is the foundation of all modern programming!
[12:10] <opi> I know C, but I feel pain if I have to do something in it again ;-)
[12:10] <Chameleon22> opi, hehe same
[12:11] <Chameleon22> pain and enosiating feeling
[12:11] <opi> but yes
[12:11] <opi> C syntax is shared among PHP, C#, C++, Java, Nemerle
[12:11] <opi> so when you know C, you only need to learn differences
[12:13] <opi> liz4rd: you'll see. When a sentence: A pointer to a array of pointer that leads to the structure start to make sens, you're at home
[12:13] <Chameleon22> not just that
[12:13] <opi> liz4rd: then drop it, and try something from higher level :-)
[12:14] <Chameleon22> C will teach you data structures
[12:14] <opi> and about memoryleaks ;D
[12:14] <Chameleon22> one of the most important aspect of development!
[12:14] <Chameleon22> ROFL
[12:14] <Chameleon22> *nods to opi
[12:14] <Chameleon22> thats why u use a profiler
[12:14] <opi> OK, I need to pick up some books from library
[12:15] <Chameleon22> opi, maybe i can help you out
[12:15] <Chameleon22> what do you nee
[12:15] <Chameleon22> d
[12:15] <opi> you can not, I'm sure :)
[12:15] <Chameleon22> ok
[12:15] <liz4rd> opi: i only know what a programing language is and somewhat how to program but other than that i know nothing
[12:15] <opi> I'm getting'em for my girlfirend
[12:15] <opi> Chameleon22: she's studding a knowledge about culture
[12:15] <Chameleon22> opi, uh ok, thought you meant computer books
[12:16] <Chameleon22> opi, artsy type ay
[12:16] <opi> Chameleon22: naa, I have my shelf :-)
[12:16] <opi> Chameleon22: ay
[12:16] <liz4rd> so i still dont know what language to pick :P
[12:16] <opi> liz4rd: pick up C or C++
[12:16] <Chameleon22> NO
[12:16] <Chameleon22> liz4rd, Java or C# as your first langues
[12:16] <opi> liz4rd: I bet there's a ton of books that learns you from the start
[12:16] <Chameleon22> C as second
[12:17] <Chameleon22> and you mentioned python - thats 3rd
[12:17] <opi> liz4rd: really?  OK
[12:35] <liz4rd> Chameleon22's fav word of the day is......(drum rool): sodomise
[12:35] <Chameleon22> hehe
[12:35] <Chameleon22> nah its my fav word full stop
[12:36] <liz4rd> lol
[12:36] <Chameleon22> Kamping_Kaiser, ada and java = australian defence forces language of choice
[12:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> ada was made by US govt IIRC
[12:36] <Chameleon22> no idea
[12:36] <Chameleon22> sounds about right though
[12:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> probably why we use it
[12:46] <Riddell> liz4rd: don't use language like that in this channel
[12:46] <liz4rd> i'm sorry
[12:47] <Riddell> Chameleon22: same
[12:47] <liz4rd> its not his fault
[12:47] <liz4rd> i keep him in my basment
[12:47] <liz4rd> it does that to people
[12:49] <Chameleon22> Riddell, what?
[12:50] <liz4rd> he's complaining
[12:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> be nice to him... he's got a point
[12:50] <liz4rd> i apolagized
[12:50] <Chameleon22> well i dont see why, sodomy is a literature term , precisely like bitch, fuck and EVEN anus
[12:51] <liz4rd> night everyone tho
[12:51] <ekCo> does anyone know how to get teamspeak working on 64bit ubuntu?
[12:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> night liz4rd
[12:51] <Chameleon22> infact most were derived from latin and are widely used
[12:51] <liz4rd> Chameleon22: oh your good :P
[12:51] <Chameleon22> see ya liz4rd
[12:52] <ekCo> anyone at all?
[12:52] <Chameleon22> ekCo, sorry not me, i think i saw yoru post on mailing list though
[12:52] <Chameleon22> so maybe will get a reply.. but i dont know
[12:53] <ekCo> nah i havn't posted anything
[12:53] <ekCo> im desperate to get it to work
[12:53] <Chameleon22> ohh, in that case search mailing list archives , maybe 5 days back to now
[12:53] <Chameleon22> cause i did see a topic similar to your question there
[12:54] <Chameleon22> not sure if it was kubuntu or ubuntu list though
[12:55] <ekCo> ok
[01:17] <iznogoed> plop
[01:19] <Chameleon22> yo
[01:21] <verden01> hi
[01:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[01:22] <airox> hello
[01:23] <verden01> hey Kamping_Kaiser  airox
[01:23] <verden01> how do i get my mp3/usb flash drive to mount?
[01:24] <airox> Normally it would do automatically ?
[01:24] <verden01> no it doesnt
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> if it doent just work, i cant help... I'm not good with KDE...
[01:24] <verden01> i don't think it matters wether its gnome or kde does it?
[01:25] <mrmanic> verden01: pretty sure it does matter, unless you've set something custom up.
[01:25] <mrmanic> I don't know how it works in gnome
[01:26] <mrmanic> In KDE, the media:/ kioslave handles that.
[01:26] <verden01> so do you know how to get an mp3/usb flash drive mounted?
[01:27] <mrmanic> verden01: browse to media:/ and click the flash drive, assuming it shows up there.
[01:28] <verden01> k
[01:29] <verden01> no it doesn't show up in /media
[01:31] <mrmanic> not in /media
[01:32] <mrmanic> verden01: in media:/
[01:34] <verden01> it doesn't show up there either
[01:34] <mrmanic> verden01: that's a problem
[01:35] <mrmanic> verden01: does it show up in dmesg?
[01:35] <verden01> yes
[01:36] <verden01> usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
[01:36] <verden01>   Vendor: Generic   Model: SND1 MP3 Player   Rev: 0.00
[01:36] <verden01>   Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 00
[01:36] <mrmanic> it doesn't attach it to a device, though?
[01:37] <verden01> no
[01:37] <mrmanic> that's an issue.
[01:37] <mrmanic> my unmountable usb drive used to do that.
[01:37] <verden01> in other linux distros its called /dev/sdb1
[01:38] <mrmanic> why sdb?  do you have another usb drive?
[01:38] <verden01> no
[01:38] <mrmanic> that's interesting.
[01:38] <mrmanic> you could try manually mounting /dev/sdb1, but I'm not sure how much good it would do you.
[01:39] <mrmanic> another option would be to see if udev is handling it.
[01:39] <mrmanic> I don't really know anything about udev
[01:39] <mrmanic> and I haven't slept in a couple of days.
[01:39] <mrmanic> so I'm just throwing ideas out
[01:39] <airox> :D
[01:40] <verden01> :-)
[02:59] <mrmanic> Membership in what?
[03:14] <Riddell> mrmanic: ubuntu
[03:14] <mrmanic> I see.
[03:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> where can i head for Kubuntu s lists? are they part of Ubuntu?
[03:55] <jjesse> which lists?
[03:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> email... i asume it has some? i was thinking updates mainly
[03:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> what's new etc
[04:01] <thoreauputic> deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main   << but mainly security/bugfixes I think
[04:01] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: ^^^
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> and email?
[04:20] <buti> hi! does the kubuntu-5.04-live-powerpc.iso contain mol (mac on linux)?
[04:22] <Riddell> buti: don't think so
[04:23] <buti> :-/
[04:42] <thoreauputic> buti: a bit late, but of course you can install it: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com//MacOnLinuxHowto
[05:20] <juanjoc> Anybody knows if KDE 3.4.1 is available for Hoary/AMD64?
[05:22] <uniq> don't think amd64 is done yet.
[05:22] <Tm_T> not yet I afraid
[05:22] <Tm_T> Mez: !
[05:22] <Mez> sup?
[05:23] <Tm_T> so you got it :)
[05:23] <Mez> mmhmm
[05:23] <Tm_T> (membership)
[05:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi tm_t, mez
[05:24] <Mez> hey Kamping_Kaiser
[05:24] <Tm_T> kaiser o/
[05:24] <Tm_T> hmm, where's kkathman and nmorse?
[05:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> day :D
[05:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey, does Kubuntu have emailing lists?
[05:24] <Tm_T> dunno
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm on Ubuntu's and debians, but I'm not sure if Kubuntu has any
[05:25] <Mez> yeah
[05:25] <Mez> kubuntu-bugs  	Kubuntu bug tracker changes
[05:25] <Mez> kubuntu-devel 	Kubuntu Developer Discussion
[05:25] <Mez> kubuntu-users 	Kubuntu Help and User Discussions
[05:25] <Tm_T> where?!
[05:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool wheres that?
[05:26] <Tm_T> I was asking first o/
[05:26] <Tm_T> ;p
[05:26] <Mez> lists.ubunut.com
[05:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P will he can answer you first
[05:26] <Mez> http://lists.ubuntu.com *
[05:27] <Kamping_Kaiser>  oh, missed them in the flood :$
[05:28] <Tm_T> :p
[05:28] <Mez> ;)
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> *subs to Kubuntu-users*
[05:29] <Tm_T> ubuntu-fi <3
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. Ubuntu-mirrors. wonder what that's like
[05:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> OK. night all
[06:15] <somerville32> Firefox isn't working for me
[06:15] <dalbirdy> can anyone tell me how to disable the popup help on the k taskbar?
[06:17] <dalbirdy> what is firefox doing for you?
[06:18] <somerville32> Extensions aren't working
[06:18] <dalbirdy> you need to download the version from firefox...the ubuntu version has issues...i did this and it fixed my problem
[06:19] <dalbirdy> they forgot to add the version number or something like that to there build
[06:20] <dalbirdy> firefox found the problem and sent it to ubuntu for them to fix but they havent yet
[06:22] <dalbirdy> i need help upgrading a package can anyone help
[06:23] <dalbirdy> the package will not install becouse i do not have the kernel sources installed?
[06:26] <mrmanic> you need the kernel sources?
[06:26] <mrmanic> generally the headers are enough.
[06:27] <mrmanic> dalbirdy: --^
[06:37] <thoreauputic> dalbirdy: your characterisation of the firefox issue is entirely wrong, BTW - not that it matters much
[06:38] <somerville32> I installed the latest
[06:38] <somerville32> but extensions still don't work
[06:39] <thoreauputic> somerville32: type  about:config in the URL bar, search for "vendor", edit the string to read 1.0.4 and try again
[06:41] <somerville32> It already is that
[06:41] <somerville32> I downloaded from www.getfirefox.com
[06:44] <somerville32> It already is that
[06:44] <somerville32> I downloaded from www.getfirefox.com
[07:24] <skaag> My Amarok doesn't like working with the Arts daemon... it hangs the moment it tries to output sound
[07:26] <thoreauputic> skaag: sudo apt-get install amarok-xine, and change the engine for amarok
[07:27] <thoreauputic> or amarok-gstreamer
[07:28] <skaag> I did change the engine to the arts engine
[07:28] <thoreauputic> well, if arts causes problems, try the others
[07:28] <thoreauputic> obviously
[07:29] <skaag> but my system uses arts...
[07:29] <thoreauputic> :/
[07:29] <skaag> kaffeine works with arts for example
[07:29] <thoreauputic> so?
[07:29] <thoreauputic> I use arts with kaffeine, xine with amarok
[07:29] <skaag> maybe i'm not getting something
[07:29] <thoreauputic> no worries
[07:29] <skaag> you use the xine engine with amarok?
[07:29] <skaag> i'll try that
[07:30] <thoreauputic> yes, or gstreamer (both work)
[07:30] <thoreauputic> xine is probably a better option at the momnet
[07:30] <thoreauputic> *moment
[07:30] <skaag> yes xine works
[07:31] <skaag> which output method did you try with gstreamer?
[07:31] <thoreauputic> BTW the backend for kaffeine is xine
[07:31] <skaag> I see!
[07:31] <skaag> i'm amazed how far linux has gone
[07:31] <skaag> and kde, and other apps
[07:31] <skaag> it feels so much more mature
[07:31] <thoreauputic> yeah, even in the last year or so...
[07:31] <skaag> absolutely!
[07:32] <skaag> I use linux mostly for my servers
[07:32] <kalenedrael> i don't have any servers :/
[07:32] <skaag> so I don't get to deal with stuff like audio/video/productivity applications
[07:32] <kalenedrael> linux is great for a desktop too
[07:32] <thoreauputic> I use linux only now -my XP hasn't booted for ages...
[07:32] <kalenedrael> same
[07:32] <skaag> nice
[07:32] <skaag> hopefuly I will never touch a windows box at home, again
[07:32] <thoreauputic> I should wipe it I think..
[07:32] <kalenedrael> i have dual-boot because certain programs will only run on windows...
[07:33] <skaag> yes some games are still only working under windows
[07:33] <kalenedrael> and loads of other programs
[07:33] <skaag> but i have a feeling game studios are getting the drift of where things are going...
[07:33] <skaag> what else?
[07:33] <kalenedrael> some cellular automaton programs i run
[07:33] <skaag> Oh I see.
[07:34] <kalenedrael> though i haven't used them in ages
[07:34] <thoreauputic> BTW re: artsd - I have it set to time out in 5 seconds so it doesn't take over and grab everything (YMMV)
[07:34] <kalenedrael> consequently i haven't used windows in ages
[07:35] <skaag> strange, amarok takes a lot of cpu...
[07:35] <skaag> 70 to 80% cpu usage!
[07:35] <thoreauputic> skaag: only when it updates
[07:35] <thoreauputic> here anyway
[07:36] <skaag> oh I see!
[07:36] <skaag> yes it is building a collection
[07:36] <thoreauputic> it scans for new music etc
[07:36] <thoreauputic> right
[07:36] <skaag> altough i have not even 1 mp3 file on this box
[07:36] <skaag> i'll start downloading stuff
[07:36] <skaag> bittorrent here I come
[07:36] <skaag> is bittornado-gui the best there is on linux?
[07:36] <thoreauputic> skaag: it scans your home dir by default I think
[07:38] <skaag> I asked it to abort the scan but it's taking ages to even abort
[07:43] <skaag> great, very good now
[07:44] <skaag> now artsd is around 8% to 10% cpu usage
[07:44] <skaag> does it have to be this high?
[07:44] <skaag> and do you guys know a better alternative to bittornado-gui?
[07:56] <Skaag> I tried to install some kde development extras
[07:56] <sirukin> and?
[07:56] <Skaag> it tried to upgrade kdelib-data...
[07:56] <Skaag> and failed
[07:57] <Skaag> it also said it can not verify the package
[07:57] <Skaag> does this make any sense?
[07:57] <Skaag> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[07:57] <Skaag>   kdelibs-data
[07:57] <Skaag> Install these packages without verification [y/N] ?
[07:59] <liz4rd|zZz> y
[08:00] <Skaag> that's what I did
[08:00] <liz4rd> ok
[08:00] <Skaag> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.2_all.deb (--unpack):
[08:00] <Skaag>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/default.kde', which is also in package knetworkconf
[08:01] <sirukin> hmm
[08:01] <Riddell> Skaag: you need hoary-updates
[08:01] <Skaag> which is?
[08:02] <Skaag> a dist-upgrade?
[08:03] <Tm_T> deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main
[08:03] <Tm_T> Riddell: that one, right?
[08:04] <Tm_T> and why not deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main
[08:04] <Tm_T> to get 3.4.1 :)
[08:04] <Skaag> ok cool
[08:05] <sirukin> quiet.
[08:05] <Riddell> Tm_T: actually just ubuntu's hoary-updates should fix it
[08:10] <Tm_T> Riddell: ok :)
[08:11] <Skaag> damn it didn't help
[08:11] <Skaag> this sucks
[08:12] <Skaag> hrm :-(
[08:12] <Skaag> I want to develop!!! whaaaaaaaaa
[08:12] <Skaag> :-)
[08:12] <Skaag> I always hated to deal with the actual programming environment
[08:12] <Skaag> it's such a huge overhead
[08:13] <Skaag> is the new koffice good?
[08:13] <Skaag> that is, better than openoffice?
[08:13] <Skaag> I was surprised to see OO in Kubuntu
[08:14] <Tm_T> Koffice is good
[08:14] <Tm_T> and 1.4 will be released _soon_
[08:14] <Riddell> Skaag: openoffice or koffice is one of the big questions for breezy
[08:14] <Skaag> I think that kubuntu should stick with the K and install kOffice
[08:14] <Skaag> and not openoffice
[08:15] <Skaag> Things like that give the product a boost
[08:15] <Skaag> enlarge its user base, and puts more pressure on the koffice developers
[08:15] <Tm_T> yup
[08:15] <Skaag> so guys, help me out with this one, how do I get out of this mess with kdelibs-data?
[08:15] <Skaag> now it tells me to apt-get -f install and that does not work obviously
[08:15] <opi> Skaag: nope
[08:16] <opi> Skaag: do this
[08:16] <Skaag> because of the conflict with knetworkconf
[08:16] <opi> Skaag: dpkg --force-all -i kde-libs.deb
[08:16] <opi> doh
[08:16] <opi> -data
[08:16] <Skaag> ok
[08:16] <opi> you know where deb's are?
[08:16] <opi>  /var/cache/apt/archive
[08:16] <wizzard> hi Skaag
[08:16] <Tm_T> uh oh
[08:17] <Skaag> hi wizzard
[08:17] <Skaag> yes i've already done it opi
[08:17] <wizzard> did you resolved that problem with the fonts?
[08:17] <Skaag> now, i'm doing a dist-upgrade and MOST packages from the new sources you guys gave me can not be verified
[08:18] <wizzard> it is normal
[08:18] <Skaag> wizzard: well I just changed the theme fonts to smaller fonts, now it's all good
[08:19] <Skaag> fonts still seem a little bit squashed, in terms of the ratio between the height and width
[08:19] <Skaag> but it's almost unfelt
[08:19] <Skaag> so i'm putting up with it
[08:19] <wizzard> I have the similar problem
[08:19] <wizzard> I have to adjust the fonts for root user
[08:20] <Skaag> what do you mean, what same problem? large fonts? or incorrect width/height ratio?
[08:20] <wizzard> the ratio is OK, but when I run some app as a root, the fonts are different and bigger
[08:21] <Skaag> that's because you need to change root's theme as well, I guess?
[08:21] <wizzard> maybe
[08:21] <wizzard> but when I run kcontrol as a root, the fonts are OK
[08:22] <Skaag> interesting
[08:22] <wizzard> the same in Krusader
[08:22] <Skaag> do you run it like this: kdesu kcontrol?
[08:22] <wizzard> su kcontrol
[08:22] <Skaag> try kdesu
[08:23] <Riddell> Koffice 1.4  http://dot.kde.org/1119375704/  Tm_T was right when he said soon
[08:23] <wizzard> yeah, now the fonts are bigger
[08:23] <Tm_T> =)
[08:23] <Skaag> now go to Fonts
[08:23] <philipacamaniac> yay!
[08:23] <Skaag> select to modify all fonts
[08:23] <Tm_T> Riddell: I'm spy ;)
[08:23] <wizzard> yep, I know the rest
[08:23] <Skaag> click just the size, lower it by two points, then press apply
[08:23] <Skaag> this should fix all your future root based sessions
[08:23] <Skaag> (I guess)
[08:24] <Skaag> Riddell: So that's it? It's out?? :-)
[08:24] <Riddell> with Kubuntu packages and Live CD  http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice-14.php
[08:24] <wizzard> ok, it works, thank you very much
[08:24] <Tm_T> Skaag: yes, now it's out \o/
[08:24] <Skaag> \o/ !!!
[08:24] <Tm_T> Riddell: ...and kexi packages are?
[08:25] <Skaag> wizzard: Glad to help!
[08:25] <Riddell> Tm_T: they should autosync from debian (but they havn't for some reason)
[08:25] <Tm_T> Riddell: ok (I use svn anyway)
[08:25] <wizzard> now we are 1:1 :D
[08:25] <Skaag> so will there be a special deb source for 1.4 or do I not touch anything and it will appear soon in the distro?
[08:26] <Skaag> wizzard ;-) I don't count stuff like that, I help as much as I can :->
[08:26] <wizzard> I think it will appear soon
[08:26] <Skaag> cool
[08:26] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: has the OOo vs. KOffice been decided for Breezy yet? I saw it on a technical board agenda
[08:26] <Skaag> i'm considering whether to use kdevelop or kdevelop3 for a new project
[08:26] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: I put it on the agenda today, discussion next week at technical board
[08:26] <Skaag> ok I think i'm done upgrading to 3.4.1 now what?
[08:27] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: thanks
[08:27] <Riddell> Skaag: the package to use is kdevelop3 except if you're using the hoary 3.4.1 packages in which case it's kdevelop
[08:27] <Skaag> I think I am using hoary 3.4.1 (latest, right)
[08:27] <Skaag> ?
[08:28] <Skaag> the source from the topic
[08:28] <philipacamaniac> so does KOffice fully support the OASIS format now?
[08:28] <wizzard> Skaag, what project are you working on?
[08:28] <Skaag> I'm going to finally port ZipTorrent to Linux
[08:29] <wizzard> hm, that is great
[08:29] <Tm_T> Riddell: uhm, IF I try to install kdevelop package, apt like to remove these packages: kde kde-devel-extras kdevelop3 kdevelop3-data kdevelop3-dev kdevelop3-plugins
[08:29] <Skaag> yes it's about time Linux gets a really cool GUI BitTorrent client that is not python based (Full C++)
[08:29] <Tm_T> Riddell: so kde is just metapackage, right?
[08:29] <wizzard> Skaag, you are from Italy? btw, I think Azureus is good
[08:29] <Skaag> I installed kdevelop3 by mistake and it did not complain at all
[08:30] <Skaag> Azureus is great but it's Java based... it eats a lot of RAM
[08:30] <Skaag> ZipTorrent is a 3mb memory footprint
[08:30] <Riddell> Tm_T: yes, they're fine to remove
[08:30] <Tm_T> ok thank you
[08:30] <Skaag> Riddell: So if i'm in 3.4.1 I should replace kdevelop3 with kdevelop yes?
[08:30] <Skaag> Riddell: Just want to make sure...
[08:30] <Riddell> philipacamaniac: yes it supports opendocument (unlike the openoffice2 builds in breezy)
[08:31] <philipacamaniac> Riddell: yeah, I've been having problems with the format in all my builds of OOo2
[08:32] <philipacamaniac> exciting news
[08:32] <uniq> .. hoary ppc.
[08:32] <Riddell> uniq: cool
[08:33] <wizzard> KOffice rulez
[08:33] <wizzard> especialy Krita graphics app
[08:33] <philipacamaniac> wizzard: we'll see
[08:33] <Skaag> when I first tried Krita it was almost impossible to use it
[08:33] <wizzard> I tried Krita before
[08:33] <Skaag> I guess it went a long way!!!
[08:33] <wizzard> when did you try it?
[08:33] <Skaag> when it was first announced and a beta was available
[08:34] <wizzard> it was when?
[08:34] <Skaag> I don't even remember when that was
[08:34] <Skaag> AGES ago
[08:34] <Skaag> :-)
[08:34] <wizzard> I tried it about month ago :p
[08:34] <Skaag> and it improved even since then?
[08:34] <philipacamaniac> do you think it could replace my GimpShop
[08:34] <wizzard> dont know :p
[08:34] <Skaag> ah :-)
[08:34] <Skaag> hehe
[08:34] <wizzard> dont have KOffice 1.4 yet, only RC1
[08:36] <Skaag> I see kdevelop is 3.2.1
[08:36] <Skaag> and not 3.4.1
[08:36] <wizzard> here the same
[08:43] <Riddell> Skaag: it uses a different version number from KDE itself
[08:43] <Riddell> 3.2.1 is the latest
[08:45] <Skaag> ok cool, that's comforting
[09:27] <F_for_Fragging> am I correct that there is no Dutch translation for KOffice 1.4 in the KOffice 1.4 kubuntu repo?
[09:27] <F_for_Fragging> http://www.koffice.org/releases/1.4-release.php -> here I do see a Dutch translation, but it's not in the repo?
[09:27] <Tm_T> uh oh
[09:30] <F_for_Fragging> can anyone please help me with this?
[09:31] <Tm_T> err
[09:31] <F_for_Fragging> ?
[09:33] <F_for_Fragging> hmm, nevermind, it seems it is already installed, but it's version 1.3.4-1 and not 1.4 somehow...
[09:36] <Riddell> F_for_Fragging: yes, there's no packages of KOffice translation yet I'm afraid
[09:37] <Riddell> F_for_Fragging: getting the source and compiling yourself is the current way
[09:50] <hisghetek> how do i add this mirror to my sources.list? http://www.fruitsalad.org/kolab/server/
[09:50] <F_for_Fragging> Riddell: thank you for your answer, I'll compile from source then
[09:50] <hisghetek> i know how to add mirrors i just dont get all the "stable main" "universe multiverse" stuff
[09:52] <Riddell> hisghetek: deb http://www.fruitsalad.org/kolab/server/release/kolab-server-2.0/ix86-debian3.0/ ./
[09:52] <Riddell> I think
[09:52] <Riddell> but that's a debian archive, no guarantee it will work
[09:53] <hisghetek> everything in my sources list so far has (for lack of better words) two lines of "stuff"
[09:53] <hisghetek> do i need another one?
[09:54] <Tm_T> hmm
[09:54] <KaiL|Sheep> you mean the deb-src?
[09:54] <hisghetek> yeah! thats the one
[09:54] <KaiL|Sheep> you normally don't need it
[09:54] <hisghetek> Couldn't stat source package list http://www.fruitsalad.org ./ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.fruitsalad.org_kolab_server_release_kolab-server-2.0_ix86-debian3.0_._Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[09:55] <hisghetek> :-/
[10:17] <hisghetek> is this thing even valid?
[10:17] <hisghetek> deb http://www.fruitsalad.org/kolab/server/release/kolab-server-2.0/ix86-debian3.0/ ../
[10:18] <Riddell> hmm interesting, that directory has .rpm files
[10:18] <Riddell> hisghetek: see README.1st
[10:18] <liz4rd> lol
[10:20] <hisghetek> no way to make it install via apt-get though...
[10:21] <Tm_T> haha
[10:21] <Tm_T> rpm debian packages? :p
[10:21] <liz4rd> wtf
[10:21] <liz4rd> cant you use alien for that
[10:21] <Riddell> hisghetek: no
[10:22] <hisghetek> too bad. i wanted to make it update whenever i did my apt-get upgrade
[10:22] <hisghetek> oh well.
[10:54] <u19809> does anybody how I can add the 'delete' option to the menu list for files
[10:57] <mrmanic> u19809: settings > configure konquerer > behavior
[10:58] <u19809> Thx, do you also by any chance know how I can configure the dvd-device icon
[10:58] <u19809> so that a double click starts the vidoe player when the dvd contains a DVD movie ?
[10:59] <mrmanic> no
[10:59] <mrmanic> I have no idea
[11:00] <mrmanic> That's what my home theatre system is for :)
[11:05] <ivoks> congrats on koffice 1.4 packages!
[11:05] <ivoks> great job
[11:06] <Riddell> ivoks: what do you have installed?
[11:06] <Riddell> ivoks: hoary or breezy
[11:07] <ivoks> breezy
[11:08] <ivoks> why?
[11:08] <Riddell> ivoks: can you start karbon with an empty template?
[11:08] <ivoks> i didn't install koffice
[11:08] <ivoks> i don't use kde :)
[11:09] <Riddell> riight
[11:09] <Riddell> well KOffice 1.4 is the perfect time to start
[11:09] <ivoks> well, i will try koffice
[11:10] <ivoks> but kde is long gone history for me :)
[11:10] <ivoks> i used it in late '90...
[11:11] <\sh> ivoks, u should use KDE dude :)
[11:12] <Tm_T> hi kids
[11:12] <ivoks> \sh: i tried 3.4 - very nice
[11:12] <ivoks> \sh: but... KDE is too fancy, colorfull for me
[11:13] <ivoks> i like sado-mazo, like twm :)
[11:13] <Tm_T> ivoks: you can set those colours ;)
[11:13] <\sh> ivoks, haha..gnome as well :) I'm running right now gnome 2.11.3 ,)
[11:14] <ivoks> eh...
[11:14] <liz4rd> Tm_T:...milk
[11:14] <ivoks> koffice is still untransitioned
[11:14] <Tm_T> liz4rd: cheese!
[11:15] <liz4rd> OMG WHERE!!!
[11:16] <duncanmv> Riddell: do you know why in kubuntu's kdevelop, when you try to add a code completion database, no options are shown?
[11:19] <Riddell> duncanmv: kdevelop from where, where version of kdevelop and how do I add a code completion database?
[11:20] <duncanmv> Riddell: from ubuntu universe
[11:20] <duncanmv> kdevelop3
[11:20] <Riddell> hoary or breezy?
[11:21] <duncanmv> hoary, c++ project, menu -> project -> project options -> c++ specific -> code completion -> add
[11:23] <Riddell> duncanmv: I get custom directory PCS importer, kdelibs pcs importer, qt pcs importer
[11:23] <Riddell> duncanmv: I presume you get none there?
[11:25] <Firetech> What time today was KOffice 1.4 released?
[11:25] <Firetech> I was on the KDE website earlier, but didn't notice anything..
[11:26] <Slackman> Firetech: ooh does it include kritta?
[11:27] <Riddell> Firetech: I posted the announcement at about 19:00
[11:27] <Riddell> UK time
[11:27] <Firetech> Slackman: yes, see the forst "sentece" of the topic
[11:27] <Slackman> k thanks
[11:27] <Firetech> Then I didn't miss anything :)
[11:27] <Firetech> *first
[11:27] <KaiL> Riddell: koffice 1.4 for breezy? :)
[11:27] <duncanmv> Riddell: yes, none
[11:28] <duncanmv> (noticed today at my Qt student place)
[11:30] <Firetech> Riddell: haven't you got the l10n packages uploaded? :S (I WILL get it anyway, but right now I'm a bit confused by the diff between 1.3.5 (from universe) and 1.4... 1.3.5 has i18n, 1.4 has l10n...)
[11:30] <Riddell> Firetech: I havn't done any translation packages, (mainly because it's changed as you say and I'm waiting to see what debian do)
[11:31] <Firetech> ok
[11:31] <Firetech> is it difficult to make the l10n source package work?
[11:31] <Riddell> Firetech: no, would should be able to compile and install yourself fine   ./configure --prefix=/usr && make && make install
[11:32] <Firetech> The main reason I installed KOffice was that it was available in Swedish, one thing that hasn't come to OO.o2 yet.
[11:33] <Riddell> duncanmv: the hoary kdevelop 3.2.1 package works from http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-341.php
[11:33] <Firetech> Riddell: phew, nothing astronomically dangerous or something then ;)
[11:35] <Firetech> Riddell: how long can the wait for debian be? I mean, they haven't got 3.4.0 into sid yet? (or have I missed something?)
[11:35] <Arv3n> Hey guys.
[11:35] <Arv3n> Can anyone help me?
[11:36] <Riddell> Firetech: the packager is planning to look at it this weekend
[11:36] <Firetech> ok, sound good
[11:36] <Arv3n> The problem is that whenever I get to the logon screen for Kubuntu, theres lines everywhere of all different colors and everything.
[11:40] <Arv3n> Can anyon help?
[11:40] <Arv3n> *anyone
[11:40] <Firetech> Riddell: File conflict. /usr/lib/libkdchart.la in new koffice-dev exists in kchart (old one I guess, because running apt-get upgrade again solves it.)
[11:40] <mrmanic> Arv3n: what did you do to it?
[11:40] <mrmanic> Arv3n: I had that problem once, and it was due to changing my video driver from fglrx to ati
[11:40] <Arv3n> ?
[11:40] <mrmanic> I didn't manage to fix it.
[11:40] <Riddell> Firetech: hoary or breezy?
[11:40] <Arv3n> No
[11:40] <Firetech> hoary
[11:40] <Arv3n> I jsut reinstalled it.
[11:40] <Arv3n> I just installed it actually.
[11:40] <mrmanic> oh
[11:40] <Arv3n> To dualboot.
[11:40] <mrmanic> that's too bad
[11:40] <Arv3n> Yeah, it used to work.
[11:40] <Arv3n> Works with all other distros except Kubuntu/Ubuntu
[11:40] <Arv3n> That I've tried.
[11:41] <Arv3n> I've tried Fedora Core 3, and Vidalinux, and also Knoppix.
[11:41] <mrmanic> odd
[11:41] <mrmanic> What driver are you trying to load?
[11:41] <Arv3n> So it seems.
[11:41] <Arv3n> What are you talking about?
[11:42] <Firetech> what is the difference between i18n and l10n
[11:42] <Arv3n> I just installed it and it does that when I try to login.
[11:42] <pv_> programmers do i18n, translators l10n
[11:42] <Firetech> ok
[11:42] <pv_> or something in that direction
[11:42] <Firetech> makes sence.
[11:43] <Firetech> did i spell that second word correctly?
[11:43] <Riddell> pv_ is correct
[11:44] <Firetech> according to http://i18n.kde.org/, i18n is internationalization, while l10n is localization
[11:46] <Firetech> I don't feel really confident with the Swedish i18n team page. The latest news post is saying that they just finished translating KDE 2.2.2, and are now focusing on 3.0...
[11:47] <Firetech> and it is from 2001
[11:47] <Tm_T> haha
[11:47] <Tm_T> Firetech: so sad ;(
[11:47] <Firetech> They ARE still working...
[11:47] <Tm_T> Firetech: yeah sure ] ;=
[11:47] <Firetech> KDE 3.4.1 is available in Swedish, so is KOffice 1.4.
[11:48] <Riddell> Firetech: they have impressive stats though http://i18n.kde.org/stats/gui/trunk/sv/index.php
[11:48] <Tm_T> Firetech: how about fi-swe fight? ;--P
[11:48] <Firetech> Riddell: apart from the file conflict and the missing language packages, koffice seems to be working fine, good job.
[11:49] <Riddell> Firetech: can you open .doc files?
[11:49] <Firetech> I haven't tried that yet
[11:49] <Riddell> Firetech: could you try please
[11:49] <Firetech> yes, I can,
[11:49] <Firetech> both try and open.
[11:50] <Riddell> Firetech: excellent
[11:50] <Firetech> atleast a .doc with the about:mozilla page from firefox ;)
[11:50] <Riddell> breezy has libwv troubles but good to know hoary works
[11:50] <Firetech> I made a T-shirt from that while I was using windows.
[11:51] <Firetech> And so at last the beast fell and the unbelievers rejoiced. But all was not lost, for from the ash rose a great bird. The bird gazed down upon the unbelievers and cast fire and thunder upon them. For the beast had been reborn with its strength renewed, and the followers of Mammon cowered in horror.
[11:51] <Firetech> It's so much "mouahahahaha M$"
[11:52] <Firetech> ouch... Riddell... I can't see any images in .doc files... :/
[11:53] <brady> does anybody know about zodb on ubuntu?
[11:53] <mozzi> anybody here installed kubuntu in a corporate environment?
[11:53] <mozzi> as desktops?
[11:55] <Mez> mozzi - what sort of thing are you lookign to use it for in a corporate environment
[11:55] <Firetech> and Kword complains that OO.o2 created .odt files doesn't follow OASIS...(?!)
[11:56] <mozzi> well Mez my main worry is M$ word compat
[11:56] <mozzi> run them off openxchange allready so mail is no biggie
[11:56] <Firetech> mozzi: the included OpenOffice is pretty completly compatible...
[11:56] <Mez> mozzi, most word docurments are compatible with Open Office, however, there can be some problems... and there's no real solution to that
[11:57] <Mez> but it's pretty rare that openOffice doesnt work
[11:57] <mozzi> I was afraid of that :D
[11:57] <mozzi> you know how end users are- if one doc doesn't work nothing works
[11:57] <Mez> mozzi... It will rarely not work
[11:58] <Mez> yeah i know
[11:58] <mozzi> and outputting to .doc for other users?
[11:58] <mozzi> I tried that with my CV the other day and I had to send a pdf in the end
[11:59] <mozzi> and then the link to pdf reader...........
[11:59] <Firetech> mozzi: OpenOffice complains a little that "some formatting may be ignored with the format you selected"
[12:00] <mozzi> yeah but peeps on other side complain even more
[12:00] <Tm_T> I'm glad I can use txt ;)
[12:00] <mozzi> and going doc->oo-.doc is a nightmare
[12:00] <Firetech> Tm_T: where are you from?
[12:00] <_nate_> it what file is my network configuration stored, as in, what file holds my manual ip address configuration?
[12:00] <mozzi> was hoping there is a commercial solution
[12:01] <Tm_T> Firetech: Eastern Finland, Joensuu
[12:01] <Firetech> ok
[12:01] <_nate_> in what file*
[12:01] <Firetech> _nate_: /etc/hosts?
[12:01] <mozzi> _nate_: /etc/networks/


[05:45] <bigjools> wgrant: I am having to use Gerrit. It has made me *really* appreciate LP's code review pages, believe it or not.
[05:47] <StevenK> Gerrit isn't that bad.
[05:48] <StevenK> But yes, LP's BMPs are better, when the branchscanner isn't being terrible.
[06:01] <bigjools> StevenK: Gerrit seems to be doing what Git ought to be doing itself
[06:05] <wgrant> bigjools: I've not properly used Gerrit myself, but its featureset was inspiration for some of the particular recent enhancements.
[06:05] <bigjools> wgrant: yeah I can see the parallels
[06:15] <lifeless> bigjools: what gerrit are you using? They're all slightly different
[06:17] <bigjools> lifeless: 2.9.3
[08:14] <lifeless> bigjools: I meant which site :)
[21:01] <bigjools> lifeless: it's a private instance
[21:02] <lifeless> bigjools: ah :)