[02:55] <TheMuso> jbicha: I was talking to darkxst about this last week... Are you aware that the Ubuntu GNOME images don't boot in the same way that the vanilla Ubuntu images boot? I.e there is no delay and then directly booting into the try/install Ubuntu screen? Is this a deliberate choice on the GNOME remix devs part?
[02:58] <jbicha> TheMuso: um, that might be because we didn't have the artwork to do it the way the vanilla Ubuntu images do it (with a blue background instead of purple)
[03:00] <jbicha> I think some of the other flavors skips the automatic boot too but the Ubuntu way is nice
[03:00] <TheMuso> jbicha: Oh ok.
[03:00] <TheMuso> jbicha: Well the Ubuntu way helps WRT ease of setup with Orca et al.
[03:00] <TheMuso> Because on the try/install Ubuntu screen, one can launch Orca if required.
[03:14] <TheMuso> jbicha: You running saucy yet? :)
[03:17] <jbicha> TheMuso: no, there wasn't anything good in saucy until today
[03:17] <TheMuso> haha
[03:18] <TheMuso> I'm running it anyways. given the quality effort, things should be fine.
[03:18] <TheMuso> And at this early stage its easy to upgrade.
[03:18] <darkxst> jbicha, logind is in
[03:18] <jbicha> yeah, they don't let us break things anymore :(
[03:20] <TheMuso> Thats a good thing though, no really it is. :)
[03:34] <crhrabal> TheMuso: We'll see. Running saucy now but not much has come in yet
[05:51] <mlankhorst> morning
[11:16] <_d4vid> hello guys
[11:16] <_d4vid> i have some idea
[11:16] <_d4vid> but i can not speak so good english
[11:17] <_d4vid> anyone speak russian or german?
[11:17] <mlankhorst> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/local-language
[11:19] <_d4vid> mlankhorst, yes thanks but from russian team nobody work in canonical
[11:20] <_d4vid> thats problem
[16:43] <tkamppeter> jasoncwarner__, hi
[17:36] <seb128> hey
[19:24] <cyphermox> kenvandine: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuDk72Lpx8U5dHFtUmlPOUtCRk8zR2dtaEpIbUVhMmc#gid=0
[21:13] <mdeslaur> desrt: in case you haven't noticed, meeting got moved to tomorrow at 11:30


[11:36] <DanChapman> hey folks :D
[11:36] <elfy> hi DanChapman
[11:37] <DanChapman> afternoon elfy, how is things going?
[11:38] <elfy> getting my head around writing testcases and then wondering about all the bzr stuff :)
[11:41]  * elfy hates trying to follow videos ...
[12:53] <DanChapman> Yeah i been battling with autopilot have finally got it now i think :D
[12:54] <DanChapman> i am terrible for following videos aswell
[12:54] <DanChapman> elfy, what testcase you working on?
[12:56] <DanChapman> I98
[13:02] <DanChapman> balloons: ping
[13:35] <elfy> DanChapman: xchat
[13:38] <DanChapman> elfy: would you mind reviewing my evince test?
[13:39] <elfy> I can of course
[13:39] <DanChapman> is your launchpad nick elfy?
[13:39] <elfy> I'd get you to review the xchat one - but bzr is completely new to me and I went out and haven't got around to sowrking out what I need to do
[13:39] <elfy> DanChapman: yep
[13:40] <DanChapman> i can help you with bzr,
[13:41] <elfy> probably :D
[13:41] <elfy> I'm registered and all that - but how I go from having a txt file of the xchat test on my machine to somewhere in bzr I have absolutely no idea :)
[13:43] <DanChapman> After each change you want to submit first run 'bzr commit' and leave a note in the commit file thats come up in term.
[13:43] <elfy> this is a completely new testcase afaik
[13:43] <DanChapman> manual or autopilot?
[13:44] <elfy> manual
[13:44] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1183517
[13:45] <DanChapman> ah i see right did you pull down a branch from  bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual-tests
[13:46] <elfy> yea did that - I assume anyway, I've got that folder in my home now at least
[13:47] <DanChapman> have you created a file in the packages folder called xchat?
[13:47] <elfy> and the file I created is in that folder - /ubuntu-manual-tests/testcases/packages/
[13:47] <elfy> yea
[13:48] <DanChapman> cool so in term you just go to the packages directory and run bzr commit and add a note to sya what it is then to push it up...... hang on ill get you the link
[13:48] <elfy> I'm guessing I need to so something like bzr push lp:~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/googoddidIdothattright :p
[13:48] <DanChapman> bzr push lp:~dpniel/ubuntu-manual-tests/xchat but replace 'dpniel' with your luanchpad id
[13:49] <DanChapman> yeah so after ub-man-tests/<whatever_you_want_to_call_your_branch_here>
[13:49] <elfy> ERROR: Parent directory of lp~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/xchat
[13:50] <elfy> is that because I've not got a branch of my own yet?
[13:50] <elfy> DanChapman: ^^
[13:51] <DanChapman> has it worked elfy?
[13:51] <elfy> brb
[13:52] <elfy> no - got error ^^
[13:53] <elfy> if I did bzr push lp:~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/xubuntu would that create a place in my LP page for me to push things like xchat to ?
[13:55] <elfy> some of us went to school and had to use slide rules and logtables as calculators were still a gleam in someone's eye :D
[13:55] <elfy> hi SergioMeneses
[13:55] <DanChapman> that would create a xubuntu branch on manualtests for you
[13:56] <DanChapman> I had to use logtables last year as part of my uni course, i did not enjoy that :)
[13:56] <elfy> I'm trying to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases/Manual#Finish_Formatting_and_verify_your_test
[13:56] <SergioMeneses> elfy, morning!
[13:57] <elfy> no I'm not I'm trying to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases/Manual#Contribute_your_new_test.21 lol
[13:58] <elfy> bah
[13:58] <SergioMeneses> DanChapman, and what is logtables?
[13:58] <elfy> wiring up a jumbo jet is easy compared to this
[13:59] <elfy> SergioMeneses: http://www.sliderules.info/a-to-z/log-tables.htm
[13:59] <DanChapman> Yeah that wiki page is correct elfy, is it still not working?
[14:00] <elfy> I don't know - not done it yet - was asking if that was right :)
[14:00] <elfy> what is YOURBRANCHNAME ?
[14:00] <SergioMeneses> elfy, oh
[14:00] <elfy> somewhere that I put things that I can then push to the main thing?
[14:01] <DanChapman> YOURBRANCHNAME can be anything you want so xChat or Xubuntu or MyBranch are all valid and it creates a branch with that name
[14:01] <elfy> because quite frankly all the wiki pages are as clear as mud if you don't actually know what these things are
[14:02] <elfy> woohoo
[14:03] <elfy> https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/xchat
[14:03] <DanChapman> :D all good elfy?
[14:03] <elfy> so you'd do that for each test you wrote then?
[14:04] <elfy> no - that doesn't make any sense to me at all
[14:04] <DanChapman> Yeah for each new one. When you propose for it to be merged and it is accepted that branch gets merged into the main branch and basically dissapears.
[14:04] <elfy> so how do I get the xchat testcase that I did there
[14:05] <elfy> this is all I am afraid as clear as mud
[14:05] <DanChapman> did you run bzr commit before pushing it?
[14:05] <elfy> why would I?
[14:05] <elfy> I have been trying to say this is all new ;)
[14:07] <elfy> but thanks for trying to help DanChapman :)
[14:07] <DanChapman> Thats fine elfy :) it commits the changes you have made (creating the xchat test) to bzr locally. Then when you push up to your branch it pushes the commits you made locally
[14:07] <DanChapman> so when in the packages directory in terminal just type bzr commit and nano pops up asking for a comment
[14:08] <DanChapman> Type first commit or something
[14:08] <elfy> do I have to bzr add ?
[14:08] <DanChapman> Then use your bzr push command to push it up to launchpad
[14:09] <DanChapman> just commit is enough
[14:09] <elfy> thatgot me an error
[14:09] <DanChapman> saying?
[14:09] <elfy> to bzr add - which I did - then commit got Committed revision 107.
[14:09] <elfy> so now I push?
[14:10] <DanChapman> yes push now :D
[14:10] <elfy> yep - that worked :)
[14:11] <elfy> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/xchat/revision/107#testcases/packages/xchat
[14:11] <DanChapman> it should now be in launchpad in your branch's packages folder
[14:11] <DanChapman> thats it :D
[14:11] <DanChapman> Just remeber first run bzr commit before you push
[14:12] <elfy> I'll copy all the stuff from here an terminal and sort it out so it makes some sense to me :)
[14:12] <elfy> why does it have no number in the packages list - or does that get done when it's merged/accepted or whatever?
[14:13] <elfy> and how does it get put against the bug saying it needs to be done?
[14:15] <DanChapman> go to your branch code page
[14:15] <elfy> yep
[14:16] <DanChapman> it should say link bug report half way down'ish
[14:17] <elfy> yep - put the whole url or just the number?
[14:17] <DanChapman> just the number with the # i think
[14:18] <DanChapman> The number gets assigned once merged btw
[14:18] <elfy> ok
[14:19] <elfy> mmm - so I put things in the box and nothing to say yes
[14:19] <elfy> bug_id: got 'unicode', expected int: u'#1183517' some sort of error
[14:21] <elfy> done it
[14:22] <elfy> DanChapman: thank you for your help :)
[14:23] <DanChapman> No problem at all :D
[14:24] <elfy> I did my apprenticeship as an aircraft electrician and could wire up a plane for you - this was all getting me scratching my head :)
[14:24] <DanChapman> I was the same once :)
[14:25] <elfy> :)
[14:25] <elfy> time to put the kettle on and do myself some crib notes :)
[14:31] <elfy> DanChapman: so I got those mails from you re evince
[14:31] <elfy> but I'm all a bit at sea right at the moment
[14:39] <elfy> DanChapman: one last question - what happens to this now that I've done what I've done
[14:40] <DanChapman> If its finished then on you branch code page click on propose for merging and add a little note.
[14:41] <elfy> well I'd say someone needs to check it :)
[14:42] <elfy> or do you propose for merging so that someone knows it needs to be looked at?
[14:45] <DanChapman> When you propose you can request certain people to review it by putting in their launchpad nick.
[14:46] <elfy> ok - would you?
[14:47] <DanChapman> Yeah no probs my nicks dpniel
[14:49] <elfy> leave target branch as defaulted I assume
[14:50] <elfy> ok - done that - thanks very much for the patience and help DanChapman :)
[14:54] <elfy> DanChapman: I didn't realise the one you asked me to look at was an autopilot test - I have no idea even what I'm looking at just now
[14:55] <DanChapman> No worries elfy, i should have asked. Im just taking a look at yours now. I will remove you from review :)
[14:56] <elfy> ok :)
[14:58] <phillw> elfy: I will be following your learning curve next week. I couldn't attend the last hackfest as I had had a DDoS attack and was busy cleaning up after it :(
[14:58] <elfy> phillw: that was autopilot stuff I thought?
[14:58] <elfy> which is beyond me just now
[14:58] <phillw> it was test case hacking :)
[14:58] <elfy> oh right
[14:59] <elfy> well DanChapman helped me hack my way through it
[14:59] <elfy> I am writing some crib notes - on paper, with pen - relaxing :D
[14:59] <phillw> I've still to watch the introduction to bzr one :) Heck, RL and lubuntu seem to conspire against me at times :D
[14:59] <elfy> :)
[15:25] <DanChapman> elfy, i left a comment on your testcase :D
[15:28] <elfy> DanChapman: thanks :)
[15:28] <elfy> when I can work out how to actually see it I'll look lol
[15:30] <elfy> I can see the e-mail with the comments however, yea - wasn't sure how detailed to make it - if this is a test for when it's installed or from a livecd etc was my first thoughts
[15:30] <DanChapman> you should have got an email aswell with it in :D
[15:30] <elfy> I got the mail - just having trouble finding the comments in launchpad :)
[15:31] <DanChapman> https://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/xchat/+merge/165749
[15:32] <DanChapman> Take a look at the nautilus testcase i think it has a good combination of expected results and questions for reference
[15:33] <elfy> DanChapman: thanks - the question is how far to go, for instance "Like entering nicknames etc on the network list window." but make sure that any nick you enter isn't used by someone else as you'll end up being called guest95637
[15:33] <elfy> ok - thanks for the tip - I sort of followed one of the other xubuntu type ones
[15:34] <DanChapman> Just go as far as you think appropriate elfy :D. I think the thing with all testcases is they are a work in progress
[15:34] <elfy> not sure I'd worry too much about servers that aren't there is appropriate given that ubuntu servers and freenode are
[15:35] <elfy> ok - I'll work on it and then find out the next step :)
[15:35] <elfy> DanChapman: but I understand what you're saying :)
[15:36] <DanChapman> :D
[15:45] <phillw> DanChapman: as part of my TODO list, I'm going to create a server that can support the wonderful things like iSCSI / samba / NFS etc.
[15:49] <DanChapman> phillw, nice... what will that be for?
[15:51] <TheLordOfTime> proof-of-concept?
[15:51] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[15:51] <phillw> DanChapman: I was tasked with making the test cases for server more 'human'. to get the test cases to be able to be run for those more esoteric tests, I have realised that creating a VM with  a unique ipV4 is the best (easiest) way forward.
[15:52] <DanChapman> Oooo sounds interesting, I hate setting up servers! be nice to have an easy way to test :D
[15:52] <phillw> Hi TheLordOfTime how goes your day?... guess which VM address will be used :P
[15:52] <TheLordOfTime> :P
[15:52] <TheLordOfTime> phillw:  my day is going bleh
[15:53] <TheLordOfTime> because undisclosed reasons
[15:53] <phillw> TheLordOfTime: I do still have one ipV4 left, should you decide to re-install. You are not being evicted, I promise :)
[15:53]  * TheLordOfTime yawns
[15:54]  * TheLordOfTime isn't focusing on VMs atm
[15:54] <TheLordOfTime> ... i am however absolutely in need of coffee... back in a few.
[15:55] <phillw> TheLordOfTime:  I'm still somewhat perplexed as to what causes that particular VM to "crash and burn".....  As I mentioned last night.
[15:56] <DanChapman> phillw, i have made a start on doing this testcase https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1172452 would it not possibly be better to incorporate it into your suite of tests?
[15:56] <phillw> We've even tried moving the ipV4.
[15:58] <phillw> DanChapman: thanks, whilst not overly busy on the test case re-writing, I do think that having a little server to be able to test on will reduce the fear and increase the number of people willing to test.
[15:59] <phillw> DanChapman: as it is VM, if everything goes horribly wrong... It just gets re-installed :)
[16:00] <DanChapman> I agree, i remember the first time i installed ubuntu server, id only ever used windows server before that and had a horrible surprise when it had finished installing. I was like 'whats happened to the screen!' :P
[16:01] <DanChapman> are you planning to run it through testdrive?
[16:02] <phillw> DanChapman: it is a server, I was un aware that testdrive handles servers? But, it will have 'X' installed so, if you have a decent speed internet link you could throw it a desktop system.
[16:03] <phillw> DanChapman: how many desktop people need iSCSI ?
[16:14] <DanChapman> Im not sure about testdrive, just id seen you can download/test servers on there. Regarding how many people need iSCSI i have no idea i'm afraid, its not something i've dealt with directly before
[16:18] <phillw> DanChapman: IIRC, the testdrive people have been working on using either VBox or KVM to use testdrive for desktop testing. I'm not sure about equipping it to handle server test cases as they need fuller areas such as listed at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds/42960/testcases
[17:56] <njin> bug 1184066


[04:00] <ksy>  Happy new year everyone
[04:01] <MsEmilyFox> meh, one year closer to my death
[04:02] <Jeaton> that's always fun
[04:03] <MsEmilyFox> its ok, ill probably just be born again immediately after cause that would be even worst than an eternity of silence (just my luck)
[04:03] <MsEmilyFox> so doesnt even matter really
[04:22] <rwinner> MsEmilyFox: Of course it matters! It's all significant.
[04:28] <glovbz> might sound like an odd question but my "grep "nameserver" output = a different dns address to what id expect given i am using a pihole as dns and adblocker, nameserver is <IP_ADDRESS> but my dns in pihole is <IP_ADDRESS> and in router all dns is directed to <IP_ADDRESS>.
[04:29] <glovbz> should i think ubuntu is using a different dns should i mess with /etc/resolve.conf : uncomment dns and enter pihole address or <IP_ADDRESS>
[04:30] <glovbz> ubuntu 21.10 Desktop
[04:31] <oerheks> glovbz, standard one would set the router dns to the pihole
[04:33] <oerheks> on the desktop use networkmanager, and on server netplan
[04:36] <jhutchins> MrCollinsGA: Ownership or permissions of /file, or you haven't told us what the actual environment is.
[04:39] <glovbz> re desktop you mean go to settings network and change in gui or can i use networkmanager from cli to do same thing
[04:39] <glovbz> stupid question am reading the man now
[04:42] <glovbz> so iv done the router already i always assumed that would make all connections to router wired or wireless use the pihole for dns once changed on router-am i wrong about that
[04:43] <glovbz> do i always have to check app and linux distro system settings and perhaps even firefox settings
[04:44] <noob_needs_help> hi, are there any humans here?
[04:46] <glovbz> yup
[04:48] <noob_needs_help> I am in debian and I am trying to get terminal to display if hdcp is enabled or disabled. So far I did sudo apt install intel-hdcp and then I did sudo systemctl start hdcpd and the git location is https://github.com/intel/hdcp but I do not know how to make the serive show if hdcp is active. What do I type in the console?
[04:49] <noob_needs_help> if anyone can help me that would be awesome
[04:50] <oerheks> yes, try #debian ?
[04:51] <noob_needs_help> thanks...
[04:51] <noob_needs_help> but I honestly think the command would be same because ubuntu is a child of debian
[04:52] <oerheks> so you call yourself noob?
[04:52] <noob_needs_help> I just wanted to see if anyone knows bash enough to give me one command, yes, I guess I am a noob since I cant figure it out..
[04:53] <oerheks> sudo systemctl status <service> most likely
[04:53] <noob_needs_help> what does your name mean oerheks?
[04:53] <oerheks> but please, join #debian
[04:54] <glovbz> what do you mean by service show "sudo systemctrl status .service" maybe?
[04:54] <glovbz> o shit im blind
[04:55] <glovbz> sorry language
[04:55] <noob_needs_help> its all good
[04:55] <glovbz> thats how i check my openvpn.service status running and active happy days
[04:57] <noob_needs_help> well thankyou all. Happy New year!
[04:57] <cornjulio> did it work
[04:57] <noob_needs_help> nah... but thats allright, I will figure something out...
[04:58] <cornjulio> dunno but you may need to edit a .conf or and unit file
[04:58] <noob_needs_help> Thanks @Cornjulio.
[05:58] <MsEmilyFox> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWaymcVmJ-A
[05:59] <oerheks> MsEmilyFox, please do not spam youtube movies, thanks.
[08:25] <Kuleshov> Welcome to Counter-Strike: Condition Zero dedicated server!!! connect <IP_ADDRESS>
[09:30] <whopavan> Hey, I have a deb package, which I build for focal (ubuntu 20.04), to make it available say for ubuntu 18 how do I do it?
[09:30] <whopavan> Guide me where to ask if this isn't the right place, thanks
[09:32] <oerheks> build it against the -dev packages for bionic?
[09:34] <whopavan> @oerheks hey I didn't get it since am pretty new, can you explain or link me to docs related to that?
[09:35] <ThinkT510> how did you build it for 20.04?
[09:35] <oerheks> not sure there are official docs for that; use a VM?
[09:35] <whopavan> @oerheks using debuild
[09:36] <whopavan> if you want to look at it here is the link https://github.com/whopavan/gfinstall
[09:37] <whopavan> @ThinkT510 ^
[09:41] <whopavan> @oerheks yeah I can use a VM but I specify focal in changelog, how does that change? do I need to maintain different deb changelog for different codenames?
[09:42] <KBar> whopavan: have a look at these guides: for Ubuntu: https://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/introduction-to-ubuntu-development.html for Debian: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html
[09:43] <KBar> whopavan: also, #ubuntu-devel might be a better place for that
[09:44] <whopavan> KBar: ok I'll check those docs and if I still feel confused I'll ask in #ubuntu-devel
[09:44] <whopavan> Thanks guys
[10:18] <Assid> heya
[10:29] <KBar> Assid: hny. please ask your questions :)
[10:29] <Assid> happy new year
[11:03] <Assid> is there a way i can set the mouse middle button to work like in windows.. where you press it once.. then you can just move the mouse up /down.. and it auto scrolls ?
[11:08] <KBar> Assid that is set on a per-application basis. In Firefox, for example, you can enable the auto-scrolling feature and it will allow you to do just that.
[11:09] <Assid> hmm.. i always thought this could be set system wide
[11:09] <KBar> Assid: what version of Ubuntu do you have? Is it running on X or Wayland?
[11:10] <Assid> 21.04 / yes with wayland
[11:10] <Assid> i dont use wayland when i plan to use teamviewer/anydesk though.. doesnt work with it
[11:12] <Assid> also .. when i try to access smb:// to an ip address.. it just doesnt want to connect
[11:12] <KBar> Assid: in theory, I think it could be possible to make it work in X11.
[11:13] <KBar> Assid, btw 21.04 is soon to reach EoL
[11:13] <Assid> oh i meant 21.10 .. i just got and installed it
[11:15] <KBar> Assid whats the output of echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE
[11:15] <Assid> x11
[11:15] <Assid> wait.. i thougth im using waylan
[11:15] <KBar> Then, you're running X11. not wayland :)
[11:15] <Assid> no no.. i remember changing it in the option when i logged in a few sessions back
[11:16] <KBar> okay
[11:16] <Assid> maybe i moved back to x11 and dont remember
[11:17] <Assid> ok priority wise.. i cant connect to a smb share.. i can ping it.. and was able to access it when i was on windows .. before i moved to linux / ubuntu full time
[11:27] <Assid> KBar: any idea why this igt has issues with connecting to smb ?
[11:39] <Assid> umm.. why is ubuntu mounting an ntfs partition as read only.. shouldnt it work in read write
[11:52] <Aarch64debian> Assid: that depends. was it r+w in before
[11:52] <Aarch64debian> check fstab
[11:53] <Assid> not in fstab.. mounting at runtime
[11:56] <KBar> Assid: sorry, but I've got no idea.
[12:07] <webchat90> hi can someone help me recover an ubuntu luks volume that i cant get grub to detect? i really need my data
[12:08] <Aarch64debian> Assid: is it a windows disk
[12:08] <oerheks> "mounting an ntfs partition as read only"  sounds like closed down dirty/ errors in filesystem
[12:08] <webchat90> EriC^^ hi eric sorry i had to go yesterday, i'm back now if you are here. we almost finished fixing my grub yesterday but i had to go due to new years things
[12:09] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting#ntfs-3g_.28previously_also_ntfsprogs.29_-_NTFS_filesystem
[12:09] <Assid> yeah secondary disk..running on NTFS
[12:10] <webchat90> how can i get grub to detect my LUKS ubuntu installation
[12:11] <gordonjcp> webchat90: can't you boot off a USB stick, and then mount the LUKS volume and copy your stuff off it?
[12:11] <webchat90> i am booted on live ubuntu usb now and can mount my luks and get my data. the problem is i need to boot the os i have highly configured software
[12:12] <webchat90> how can i boot it
[12:12] <Assid> oerheks: nope.. ntfsfix didnt fix it
[12:14] <Aarch64debian> assid if it was rw enabled in before, and you did some work to fix, only reason i can think windows is preventing it eg you can check if fast boot is enabled with windows
[12:14] <oerheks> Assid, sorry to hear that, then it is not an issue ubuntu can solve
[12:14] <oerheks> ^^fastboot could be the culprit, but no mention of windows
[12:15]  * oerheks does not wild guess
[12:15] <Assid> Aarch64debian: i no longer have windows on this system.. it was always a secondary drive..
[12:15] <Assid> Aarch64debian: it used to work fine from within windows..
[12:17] <Assid> ok if i use fstab to mount.. its read write..
[12:18] <Assid> but if i let the gui mount it.. its read only
[12:18] <oerheks> not logical
[12:19] <Assid> yeah. but thats whats happening
[12:22] <webchat90> ok so i have chrooted to my luks decrypted system mounted
[12:22] <gordonjcp> webchat90: what do you mean by "highly configured software"?
[12:22] <webchat90> i need to boot my os no question about it
[12:22] <webchat90> not reinstalll
[12:23] <gordonjcp> webchat90: what I tend to recommend people do is install on an encrypted drive, copy all their important data to it, then get a hammer and smash the drive to pieces
[12:23] <gordonjcp> webchat90: it's totally secure when the drive is destroyed
[12:23] <webchat90> thats not my issue my frind i h ave to boot it not smash it
[12:23] <gordonjcp> webchat90: you can't get your data off it, but that just saves time instead of waiting for LUKS to fail and destroy it
[12:23] <gordonjcp> webchat90: restore from a backup?
[12:24] <webchat90> so i am thinking
[12:24] <webchat90> a partition image do you mean?
[12:24] <gordonjcp> webchat90: no, just wipe the machine and restore your data and configs from the backup you made
[12:24] <Assid> oerheks: yep.. im able to copy data to it.. no problem.. write works fine .. if i mount using fstab.. for whaever reason .. ubuntu tries to always mount it as a read only when i access it from other locations
[12:25] <webchat90> it has to be booted there is custom software i cant fix
[12:25] <webchat90> i just need to fix /boot and efi partition
[12:25] <webchat90> EriC^^ help me make a /boot yesterday but grub still doesnt detect os
[12:25] <webchat90> i mounted sdb1 which is EFI partition to mnt/boot/efi
[12:25] <webchat90> but it is empty
[12:25] <webchat90> maybe it got deleted? how do i get it back
[12:26] <gordonjcp> webchat90: always assume that your data is gone
[12:26] <gordonjcp> webchat90: what's the software?
[12:28] <webchat90> i must boot the os need to be booted and initiated is my goal. one other option i have entier root directory but no /boot. how to restore that?
[12:28] <webchat90> can i make a disk image  and restore root dir only
[12:28] <webchat90> on a new system
[12:28] <webchat90> idk
[12:29] <gordonjcp> webchat90: you could copy it across
[12:29] <gordonjcp> webchat90: again, what's the software that's so important?  This has a bearing on how you proceed
[12:30] <webchat90> man i have told you countless times i need to boot there is so much stuff and customized things to fix i dont have time
[12:30] <webchat90> i hgave to go to work
[12:30] <gordonjcp> webchat90: okay, but it's important that you approach it the right way
[12:30] <webchat90> i need to either boot it or create system partition
[12:30] <webchat90> image
[12:30] <gordonjcp> webchat90: if your EFI directory is gone, it is gone
[12:30] <webchat90> and restore it
[12:31] <gordonjcp> your system is a brick
[12:31] <webchat90> yes efi gone
[12:31] <gordonjcp> well, it's a brick
[12:31] <webchat90> how to rregnerate
[12:31] <gordonjcp> it cannot be repaired
[12:31] <webchat90> why
[12:32] <Assid> i dont get it.. am gavng issues accessing the samba shares
[12:33] <Assid> having....
[12:34] <oerheks> Assid, ntfs is not posix, so no samba with user ownership & permissions.
[12:34] <gordonjcp> webchat90: because there's too much work involved to get it back together without knowing exactly how it was to start with
[12:35] <oerheks> i never tried restoring EFI; ... maybe this is a help ? https://www.techzim.co.zw/2021/01/how-to-restore-ubuntus-efi-partition-in-ubuntu-20-04/
[12:35] <gordonjcp> webchat90: you'd be better copying everything off onto a clean install
[12:35] <oerheks> tons of commands to do..
[12:35] <gordonjcp> webchat90: you should really just reinstall everything and recover your data, and be better at keeping backups
[12:36] <gordonjcp> webchat90: you should not have important systems with unreproducible configs
[12:37] <webchat90> good news
[12:37] <Assid> oerheks: .. nio this is a mounting related issue as well : https://pasteboard.co/09zrjdvAaXjn.png
[12:37] <webchat90> i have /boot and /boot/efi mounted and they have files in it
[12:37] <webchat90> i did grub-install success
[12:37] <webchat90> now update-grub
[12:37] <webchat90> how can we make it detect LUKS
[12:38] <oerheks> linux + samba + ntfs .. no go
[12:38] <Assid> mate.. the ntfs is a different problem.. this samba is a different problem
[12:38] <Assid> the samba .. is basically trying to access my raspberry pi for example .. .. and other file servers .. like my work one .. i cant access
[12:39] <Assid> the ntfs problem is i cant access my secondary drive ..
[12:39] <Assid> im you didnt see https://pasteboard.co/09zrjdvAaXjn.png
[12:39] <oerheks> How could i know that?
[12:40] <oerheks> anyway, what is the filesystem and the mount line in fstab?
[12:40] <Assid> for which one ? the ntfs ?
[12:40] <Assid> dev/sda2   /mnt/Data ntfs    defaults    0   2
[12:41] <rwinner> Yea, the kernel has native ntfs support since 5.15
[12:42] <Assid> the samba mount.. trying to acces from the file manager .. doesnt work
[12:42] <oerheks> that fstab line seems oke.
[12:43] <Assid> oerheks: yes..as i mentioned before.. i can use read write if i mount from fstab.. but it doesnt work if i use the gui  / run time mounting
[12:44] <oerheks> again, that is unlogical, no answer to that...
[12:44] <webchat90> hi i am chrooted to my LUKS now from a live os. i run grub-update and it does not detect my LUKS OS
[12:44] <webchat90> how do i get  it to pick it up?
[12:45] <Assid> oerheks: ok .. what about unable to access any samba ?
[12:48] <Assid> if i use smbclient .. i can get the list of shares.. no problem
[12:54] <oerheks> restart the samba service on the share you cannot access?
[12:54] <oerheks> or, did you change something you did not tell us?
[12:54] <Assid> its been like that since the time i installed ubuntu
[12:55] <Assid> once again.. worked in windows.. i could also access my work server fine. i cant here.. using smb://<ip>
[13:03] <KBar> oerheks: most likely the latter
[13:10] <oerheks> so, samba never worked on ubuntu?
[13:10] <oerheks> what guide did you follow to create the smb.conf?
[13:15] <Assid> im only connecting as a client on ubuntu. the raspberry pi and my truenas server work fine..  on windows
[13:15] <oerheks> skip the "on windows"
[13:15] <oerheks> so, it does not work at all on ubuntu?
[13:20] <Assid> oerheks: no.. not from the gui .. if it automounts
[13:20] <KBar> Assid: sorry, just to make sure. Could you please run these: `lsb_release -ds |  pastebinit` and `cat /var/log/installer/media-info | pastebinit`
[13:20] <KBar> and paste the two produced links here
[13:21] <Assid> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9GPZzkvfym/
[13:22] <Assid> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5n6XFDwB2F/
[13:22] <xdrenal0x001> anyone here
[13:23] <KBar> Assid awesome. Thank you. did you read this guide? https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-and-configure-samba#1-overview
[13:23] <Assid> KBar: why would i i need to configure samba  on my truenas system .. ?
[13:24] <Assid> btw.. i think i accessed the truenas system with a live environment of either linuxmint or ubuntu perfectly fine.. when i was at work.. but never able to access it via smb://ip  when via a vpn
[13:24] <KBar> Assid for the GUI part, you might need to install system-config-samba
[13:25] <Assid> i dont see any package like system-config-samba
[13:27] <Assid> ok.. heres osmething interesting.. if i do smb://<ip>/sharename   then it does work
[13:27] <Assid> however smb://<ip>/ will not work
[13:27] <KBar> Assid ah, sorry. Looks like this package is gone and no more supported
[13:27] <oerheks> that .. is logical
[13:28] <KBar> *no longer
[13:29] <Assid> yeah.. that i can live it.. but i should be able to see all the shares on the server..
[13:30] <Assid> smbclient -L does list all the sharews fine
[13:30] <Assid> also what about the NTFS based drive ?
[13:31] <Assid> is there a way i can get the file manager to mount it as read write and not just read only ?
[13:40] <Assid> bbiab
[13:53] <Aarch64debian> !du
[14:32] <MrCollinsGA> Happy New Year!
[14:33] <yukiup> \o/
[15:48] <bittin> bored doring the new year, so helping out a bit with the new installer
[15:51] <WickedDekciw> Hola, folks. Got a strange problem. Looking to extend an exfat partition into unallocated space to no avail. Have already tried: gparted (greyed out), exfat-utils (claims to fix 2 unknown errors, apparently fixes none of them), Windows chkdsk (again claims to fix unknown errors, nothing happens), other Windows tools (namely Partition Wizard, also greyed out, then Disk Genius, got a "Cluster Bitmap error at $xxxx [random number]"), any idea what to
[15:51] <WickedDekciw> do now?
[15:52] <KBar> WickedDekciw: unmount first
[15:52] <WickedDekciw> KBar, Was always unmounted all that time
[15:52] <WickedDekciw> Do not believe that's the issue, but have been unable to identify otherwise what it is
[15:53] <WickedDekciw> And this is quite weird
[16:01] <WickedDekciw> Does anybody know what might be up with that?
[16:02] <yukiup> backup and format
[16:02] <KBar> WickedDekciw: try with GNOME Disks mb
[16:03] <WickedDekciw> KBar, resize is greyed out on gnome-disks
[16:03] <WickedDekciw> lol
[16:03] <KBar> WickedDekciw: that was gparted
[16:03] <KBar> They're a bit different
[16:04] <WickedDekciw> KBar, Neither gparted nor the default disks work that's what I meant
[16:04] <WickedDekciw> You mean KDE disks?
[16:04] <yukiup> screen shot time!
[16:04] <WickedDekciw> yukiup, well, just literally greyed out, not sure what 2 screenshot
[16:05] <KBar> WickedDekciw: No. I mean GNOME Disks, which you forgot to mention using
[16:06] <WickedDekciw> KBar, Oh, well I did use it. It doesn't work either with that, sadly. I've tried.
[16:06] <oerheks> if there is unallocated space at the end, it could well be cache
[16:06] <oerheks> no screenshot or parted output, hard to tell
[16:07] <KBar> WickedDekciw: what about standard Unix tools, fdisk and fsck? What are they saying?
[16:12] <EriC^^> WickedDekciw: did you enlarge the partition its in first?
[16:12] <WickedDekciw> EriC^^, What do you mean?
[16:13] <EriC^^> a partition table says partition 1 is from a to b, if you have c space after it, you first have to alter the partition table so that the partition is from a to c, then you enlarge the fs that's at that spot
[16:14] <EriC^^> you just have to delete the entry, then recreate it at the exact same spot, only modifying where it ends
[16:14] <WickedDekciw> KBar, https://pastebin.com/PsZgY8FB
[16:15] <WickedDekciw> EriC^^, Well, if I follow what you are saying, it means for me c space is _before_ it, not after it I reckon
[16:15] <EriC^^> no
[16:16] <EriC^^> actually in my example yes the unallocated space is after it, but in your case it looks like it's before it
[16:17] <EriC^^> that complicates stuff, are you doing this from a live usb?
[16:18] <EriC^^> cause it looks like parted couldnt tell which fs it has, so maybe it needs some package to identify it, and maybe that would help gparted do the resizing, also you should know it could go wrong and have a backup in case
[16:19] <WickedDekciw> EriC^^, yes, live install
[16:20] <WickedDekciw> I did try exfat-utils once  and it "corrected" some unknown wishy-washy errors and it didn't do the trick
[16:21] <EriC^^> try to install exfat-fuse exfat-utils and then try gparted again
[16:22] <WickedDekciw> I'll try
[16:29] <WickedDekciw> EriC^^,  appears they were already installed
[16:29] <WickedDekciw> so looks like gparted did already not benefit from them
[16:29] <EriC^^> WickedDekciw: what happens in gparted if you try to move it to the start of the disk?
[16:30] <WickedDekciw> EriC^^,  how do I move it exactly? You mean resize it backwards?
[16:30] <EriC^^> i think you can move it
[16:31] <EriC^^> the resize would be a move to the back + expanding the fs to the end, it should have some 'move' feature you can do on its own
[16:34] <oerheks> i would do that from within windows
[16:36] <oerheks> but i think you tried that, and windows is reporting Cluster Bitmap error too, so it stops.
[16:38] <jhutchins> Are we messing with partitions on a disk that has no backups?
[16:38] <WickedDekciw> EriC^^, well I can't expand to the 'end' if the end is only the already occupied partition no
[16:58] <bex> i held down F2 but windows booted normally https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-desktop-1804#4-boot-from-usb-flash-drive
[16:59] <bex> can anyone help?
[16:59] <KBar> bex, well, try different keys, Esc and DEL are your next options.
[17:00] <bex> hold them down?
[17:00] <KBar> bex: no. Just press a key once.
[17:00] <bex> i don't know what i'm doing
[17:01] <icedwater> I have an intel wifi card that works on the 4.13 kernel with ubuntu 20.04, but when I boot with a 5.11/5.13 kernel, wifi is not detected. (sorry if I missed yesterday's answer while I was asleep. I'll set /away to catch notifications
[17:01] <KBar> bex: do you want to install Ubuntu?
[17:01] <KBar> bex: better call a professional or research yourself before proceeding.
[17:02] <bex> yea i guess
[17:02] <KBar> Would be incredibly difficult to guide you throught via chat.
[17:02] <KBar> *through
[17:02] <bex> why
[17:03] <KBar> icedwater: this channel is logged. Look here: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[17:03] <KBar> and see if someone answered your question
[17:04] <bex> yea
[17:05] <bex> 2005 i think
[17:07] <ducasse> bex: are you trying to install? which version?
[17:08] <bex> doesnt matter
[17:08] <ducasse> we can help, just depends on your problem
[17:08] <oerheks> icedwater, too little information, what wifi card?
[17:09] <bex> 20.04.3 LTS
[17:09] <KBar> oerheks: think it was Intel Corporation Wireless 3160 (rev 93)
[17:11] <KBar> icedwater: Jeremy31 suggested this: <Jeremy31> icedwater: You might want to check to see if the linux-module-extra  is installed for that 5.13 kernel
[17:11] <Jeremy31> ^ good idea
[17:11] <KBar> Jeremy31: :D
[17:12] <KBar> I wonder whose idea it was…
[17:13] <bex> Can't go back in time
[17:13] <oerheks> !info backport-iwlwifi-dkms
[17:13] <oerheks> might help too..
[17:17] <jkk> got a new screen - it does not flicker in bios, however once booted in ubuntu starts flickering. driver issues?
[17:17] <Jeremy31> icedwater: post a question at askubuntu.com or ubuntuforums.org
[17:18] <oerheks> yeah, shoot and forget is not the way to go
[17:19] <KBar> Jeremy31 sorry about waking you up. I thought maybe I could help them find your answer faster but apparently they just don't care.
[17:19] <EriC^^> WickedDekciw: exactly that's why i said to move it
[17:20] <oerheks> KBar, what is the use of answering while the dude is couchsurfing?
[17:21] <jkk> people want fast answers
[17:22] <KBar> oerheks: you're right.
[17:22] <jkk> hmm no ppa for intel drivers :)
[17:23] <oerheks> the backport dkms might help, or the linux-modules-extra..
[17:23] <KBar> jkk, we're all volunteers here. If people want quality AND fast answers, maybe they can contact paid customer support?
[17:23] <KBar> jkk there are people on the other side too
[17:24] <Jeremy31> Even 3160 doesn't help much as Intel has too many models of it and there drivers look at the main and subsystem PCI IDs
[17:24] <KBar> and majority of them are wonderful, kind and willing to help. just a tad bit busy sometimes
[17:25] <jkk> what's it for https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic-updates/linux-modules-extra-5.0.0-16-generic ?
[17:25] <jkk> checking
[17:27] <Maik> icedwater: since you're logged in all the time just scroll back or check the irc logs
[17:28] <oerheks> or forward, for the answers to come..
[17:31] <jhutchins> Since when do you need to do anything to get Intel wifi working on a modern distro?
[17:33] <oerheks> jhutchins, that, i wonder too
[17:33] <oerheks> it must be a HW switch key combo :-D
[17:39] <eflister> hi- i need some help with boot-repair.  details here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1384496/boot-hangs-at-grub-prompt-instead-of-grub-menu  but the summary is that i installed ubuntu 21.10 on a new machine.  then i needed to dual-boot windows 10, so i shrank ubuntu's partition using gparted from a live usb.  windows installed fine, but
[17:39] <eflister> squashed grub.  so i tried running boot-repair from the live usb.  the automatic repair didn't work -- booting goes to a grub prompt rather than a grub menu ("Failed to open \EFI\UBUNTU Failed to load image \EFI\UBUNTU\ start_image() returned Invalid Parameter, falling back to bootloader") -- here's the bis:
[17:39] <eflister> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hbr7tpRFdZ/.  so i tried again with the "advanced options" -- "purge GRUB before reinstalling it" alone ends up giving me a dialog that says "GRUB is still present. Please try again." this is after confirming to remove GRUB after being asked to run: sudo apt-get purge --allow-remove-essential -y grub*-common shim-signed.
[17:39] <eflister> at that point i have no choice but to cancel.  adding the option to "purge kernels then reinstall last kernel" has left me hung for more than 24 hours with a progress dialog saying "Purge kernels then reinstall last kernel on nvme0n1p2 (pur). This may require several minutes..."  in boot-repair's log i can see that apt-get has hung after
[17:39] <eflister> boot-repair asked it to purge linux-image-*.  at this point i am thinking i should try this method to repair the kernel: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1253247/how-to-fix-or-remove-a-broken-kernel-ubuntu-20-04/1253346#1253346  but first i'll have to kill boot-repair and its apt-get process because it is currently holding a bunch of cache-locks.
[17:39] <eflister> their pid's are not responding to plain "kill" and i am hesitant to force it.  thanks for any advice, i really need it!
[17:42] <Maik> eflister: never paste a huge amount of text into the channel
[17:43] <eflister> Maik: (y)
[17:43] <oerheks> after editing a partition, it gets a new UUID.. *hint*
[17:44] <oerheks> so, reinstall grub with the right partition info
[17:44] <oerheks> sudo blockid # would give the new ones
[17:44] <summonner> sudo blkid
[17:45] <oerheks> oh right, i must change glasses
[17:45] <WickedDekciw> EriC^^, , weird
[17:45] <summonner> HNY :)
[17:45] <oerheks> !grub
[17:46] <oerheks> !cookie | Maik
[17:47] <eflister> oerheks: ty -- i was hoping that was the kind of thing boot-repair would handle.  i'll try manually, but should i first deal with this partially destroyed kernel situation?
[17:48] <WickedDekciw> target is busy
[17:49] <WickedDekciw> nvm fixed
[17:49] <oerheks> eflister, just try to restore grub, from a live iso. see the grub manual too
[17:50] <oerheks> broken kernel is so unlikely.. as you could never have booted
[17:50] <WickedDekciw> oerheks, no dice again, resizing in gparted doesn't do nothing
[17:50] <WickedDekciw> greyed out the unallocated space
[17:51] <oerheks> WickedDekciw, do this from windows..
[17:51] <jkk> I once more reboot laptop in bios - 0 flickering - once in ubuntu sometimes screen flickers some time it does not...
[17:51] <WickedDekciw> oerheks, Well, I did try a Windows tool and ended up with the "Cluster Bitmap" error as you can see, hence looking for other stuff maybe, maybe
[17:52] <eflister> oerheks: ok ty.  just to be clear, i'm currently booted from a live usb, running boot-repair, which has hung at apt-get purge linux-kernel-* (which should be acting on the not-currently-running kernel stored on disk...)
[17:52] <oerheks> eflister, why purging a kernel??
[17:52] <jkk> is there some issue with ubuntu intel gpu drivers?
[17:52] <jkk> or maybe it is a harware issue?
[17:53] <oerheks> jkk,  cable or loose connector issue more likely
[17:53] <jkk> oerheks: then it woud flicker in bios tooo?
[17:53] <jkk> or
[17:54] <eflister> oerheks: that's what boot-repair's advanced option "purge kernels then reinstall last kernel" does....  i was advised on askubuntu that i needed this option (i tried everything else first)
[17:54] <jkk> if it was a loose cable etc it would flicker in bios menu
[17:54] <jkk> however it does not
[17:54] <oerheks> jkk,  indeed
[17:54] <oerheks> hmm
[17:55] <jkk> i will try to boot another os from a live usb perhaps
[17:56] <jkk> maybe some latest update did something hmm
[17:56] <jkk> tbh I hate opening laptops :)
[17:56] <jkk> once open ... Xd
[17:57] <jkk> oerheks: or it could be a loose mobo connector
[17:57] <jkk> ok
[17:57] <oerheks> such would be noticable when you touch the connector
[18:00] <ducasse> jkk: fwiw, every now and then one of my screens get s pinkish ting after logging in. restarting the display server everything is fine. intel gou.
[18:00] <jkk> hehe
[18:00] <ducasse> it happens so rarely i haven't even bothered investigating it
[18:00] <ApostleInTriumph> Hello. I'm running ubuntu 20.04 on a Dell laptop as a single boot. My laptop misbehaves in the following sense 1) If i close my lid, the programs don't close and it severely overheats. 2) if left idle, all the programs are terminated and there is black screen. How can I fix it
[18:00] <ducasse> might be something similar?
[18:01] <jkk> well I love desktop soo much - however I travel a lot :)
[18:01] <jkk> maybe i can carry mini case
[18:01] <jkk> laptops - too many small details - I did repait them however sometimes plastic is old etc have to use super glue :)
[18:01] <jkk> repair
[18:02] <jkk> not worth ut
[18:02] <jkk> oerheks: yes prior when laptop was disassembled  i did try to play with mobo connector
[18:05] <ApostleInTriumph> Hello EriC^^
[18:10] <eflister> can anyone advise what to do to -- boot-repair called "apt-get purge linux-image-*" which has hung, holding a bunch of cache locks
[18:10] <jkk> use -f? for force?
[18:10] <jkk> or simply re run command?
[18:10] <eflister> jkk: i'm worried that won't clean up the cache locks
[18:10] <ApostleInTriumph> okay switching to gdm solved problem 1. now, when I close and open the lid, all the programs that were there before are shut down. before,with 18.04 that wasn't the case. how to fix this?
[18:11] <jkk> just do it what do you have to lose?
[18:11] <jkk> you can delete cache manually
[18:11] <eflister> jkk: i will as a last resort, was hoping there was a cleaner way.  how do you manually resolve the cache locks?  i don't know apt well.
[18:13] <WickedDekciw> eflister, find the process that locks it
[18:13] <WickedDekciw> and skill it
[18:13] <eflister> WickedDekciw: ok, they're in memory, not disk?
[18:14] <eflister> WickedDekciw: when i try to launch a separate apt-get process, it detects them.  i don't think it is communicating with the other apt-get process in memory, i think it must see some markers on disk.
[18:14] <WickedDekciw> eflister, sudo killall5 -9
[18:14] <WickedDekciw> this is the nuclear option, try it
[18:14] <WickedDekciw> lemme know what gives
[18:15] <WickedDekciw> or, sudo kilall -u yournamewhatever
[18:15] <WickedDekciw> kill
[18:15] <WickedDekciw> this is just for your user
[18:16] <oerheks> on a live iso ??
[18:17] <eflister> WickedDekciw ok i will force kill the relevant processes if no one has better ideas, but i'm quite sure this will leave a mess of locks on disk -- am i wrong?  oerheks: i'm booted from a live usb, i'm unclear on how apt-get knows to apply to the main disk (to reinstall grub and so on)
[18:17] <oerheks> eflister, apt-get purge linux-image-* cannot be performed without proper chroot.. i think you don't even need this option.
[18:18] <oerheks> start over again, with the grub manual howto reinstall
[18:18] <WickedDekciw> didn't know it was a live iso darn
[18:18] <WickedDekciw> eflister, pidof namehere
[18:18] <oerheks> after editing a partition, it gets a new UUID.. *hint* ... that is all.
[18:18] <WickedDekciw> and then kill it
[18:22] <eflister> oerheks: well my first try was with boot-repair, which is the first option the manual recommends: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#Fixing_a_Broken_System  any idea why it hasn't worked?  boot-repair is what is trying to purge the kernel...
[18:24] <oerheks> well, i am not going to repreat myself.
[18:24] <WickedDekciw> eflister, sudo fsck -l /dev/sdxxx && reboot
[18:25] <oerheks> how would that reinstall grub?
[18:26] <WickedDekciw> I assumed he's just having temporary fs issues
[18:26] <eflister> oerheks: i appreciate your help and i'm not trying to be difficult.  you say follow the manual, and i did -- it says to run boot-repair, which has not worked.  so you're saying kill apt-get and boot-repair, and use grub-install, and don't worry about apt's cache locks or a partially removed kernel from the currently running apt-get purge?
[18:26] <WickedDekciw> didn't follow from beginning
[18:26] <WickedDekciw> then root into it and update-grub
[18:26] <WickedDekciw> I guess?
[18:27] <WickedDekciw> otherwise just reinstall it grub-install
[18:28] <WickedDekciw> if it's a dual  boot with Windows, edit it from Windows itself
[18:28] <WickedDekciw> easier a bit
[18:29] <eflister> i don't think it will boot at all now, boot-repair may have destroyed mbr, grub, etc.  if i can get to windows, what should i do?  why is it easier than from ubuntu live usb?
[18:29] <eflister> WickedDekciw ^
[18:30] <WickedDekciw> eflister, get to Windows and bcedit
[18:30] <WickedDekciw> from there
[18:30] <WickedDekciw> use a Windows live usb
[18:30] <WickedDekciw> Windows to go with Rufus
[18:30] <WickedDekciw> and DISM /online
[18:30] <Jeremy31> eflister: running in UEFI?
[18:30] <WickedDekciw> tho this is out of the scope of the #ubuntu channel
[18:30] <eflister> WickedDekciw what makes that easier than the ubuntu live usb?  i don't know bcedit, rufus, dism etc
[18:32] <leftyfb> eflister: if you need help repairing Windows boot, you should /join #microsoft or contact Microsoft for support
[18:32] <WickedDekciw> eflister, get a Windows ISO, get Rufus (https://rufus.ie), empty USB, then install in Windows to Go mode, boot from USB, run admin cmd prompt "dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth"
[18:32] <leftyfb> WickedDekciw: feel free to help further with Windows recovery and tools in #windows
[18:33] <leftyfb> eflister: sorry, I meant to say /join #windows, not #microsoft
[18:33] <oerheks> leftyfb, it is the other way around, he made space for windows, now the UUID has changed of ubuntu
[18:33] <WickedDekciw> leftyfb, I told him, yeah
[18:34] <leftyfb> oerheks: asking for help recovering Ubuntu is perfectly fine. Not discussing Windows boot or it's recovery tools
[18:34] <eflister> leftyfb: i'm the one that wants to stay in ubuntu live usb, i asked why the windows tools would be easier
[18:35] <WickedDekciw> eflister, Your best bet is what I suggested and switching to the Windows bootloader to avoid trouble with grub, that is @ #windows
[18:35] <WickedDekciw> not here
[18:35] <leftyfb> eflister: Windows tools are only appropriate for recovering Windows, not Ubuntu. We can only help recovering Ubuntu here
[18:36] <leftyfb> WickedDekciw: I'm not sure I agree with that
[18:36] <leftyfb> WickedDekciw: last I checked, the Windows bootloader does not support other OS's, including Ubuntu
[18:36] <WickedDekciw> leftyfb, Well, clicking buttons is easier... also I didn't mean the Windows bootloader directly from NT, rather the UEFI boot menu
[18:36] <oerheks> and he never said he could not boot windows..
[18:37] <WickedDekciw> which works fine
[18:37] <leftyfb> eflister: when did you install Ubuntu?
[18:39] <eflister> leftyfb: whole story is large block of text just a few screens up.  i first installed ubuntu on a bare machine.  later realized i needed to dual boot windows.  i shrank ubuntu's partition from a live usb and gparted, then installed windows, which squashed grub.  since then i've been trying to use boot-repair to recover, which has now wound up
[18:39] <eflister> hanging when trying to apt-get purge the kernel.
[18:39] <leftyfb> eflister: how long ago did you install ubuntu?
[18:39] <eflister> leftyfb a couple days
[18:39] <leftyfb> eflister: reinstall ubuntu from scratch
[18:39] <leftyfb> that will be your easiest and quickest way
[18:40] <eflister> leftyfb: i would, but i have some software licenses activated in it that i would rather not try to deactivate from another location.  also, i am trying to learn by not doing things the brute-force way.
[18:40] <leftyfb> eflister: what software licenses do you have activated in ubuntu?
[18:41] <eflister> leftyfb arturia's piano and synth software, which are running in a windows virtualbox in ubuntu.
[18:42] <leftyfb> eflister: those are Windows licenses in a Windows VM which you can more than likely back up and restore on your new install
[18:42] <leftyfb> eflister: you are going to spend way more time trying to recover than it will be to just reinstall
[18:43] <eflister> leftyfb - how do i recover them if i write over the existing ubuntu install?  also, i really am trying to learn by not doing things brute force.  i have the time.
[18:45] <leftyfb> eflister: then reboot into a new usb live ubuntu session, do not install or update anything applications and follow the instructions
[18:46] <leftyfb> eflister: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[18:46] <eflister> leftyfb: i did follow those instructions, that's what got me to this point.  can you see the original story just a few screens up?
[18:46] <leftyfb> eflister: start over
[18:47] <eflister> leftyfb i have several times, that's what got me to this point.
[18:47] <leftyfb> eflister: start over again, when you run into any issue, stop, do not proceed and post the issue here in detail. Do not make any changes from that point until someone from here tells you to do so
[18:49] <eflister> leftyfb ok, will do.  i've done that several times and i can tell you that running the recommended repair from boot-repair winds up with the bis i linked and the grub prompt, as described above in the original story.
[18:53] <jkk> hmm
[18:59] <eflister> sorry, my battery died -- did i miss anything after my last message at 10:49:16?  i apologize.  i'm happy to check the log if there is one, but i don't see one listed in the announcement at the top
[18:59] <leftyfb> no
[19:05] <jhutchins> elastic_dog: To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root
[19:05] <jhutchins>              filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount
[19:05] <jhutchins>              -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub &&
[19:05] <jhutchins>              grub-install /dev/whatever".  See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
[19:05] <leftyfb> !paste | jhutchins
[19:08] <jhutchins> leftyfb: So why don't YOU post something helpful?
[19:08] <jhutchins> leftyfb: This is not the 1980s, four lines is not going to flood the modem buffers.
[19:09] <leftyfb> eflister: https://askubuntu.com/a/831241/1151311
[19:18] <EriC^^> eflister: can you reiterate your problem briefly? you start the pc and end up in grub> ?
[19:19] <leftyfb> EriC^^: they installed Windows after Ubuntu
[19:35] <eflister> EriC^^ here's the story up to this point: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dh9HqDTNxQ/
[19:43] <EriC^> eflister: can you boot a live usb right now?
[19:58] <leftyfb> eflister: what have you done since I asked you to ty boot-repair over an hour ago?
[20:05] <MrCollinsGA> what is a good minimalist gui just for grunt encoding for kdenlive?
[20:05] <MrCollinsGA> in other words its a gui but it saves as much resources as possible.
[20:06] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: I thought we discussed not using a GUI and just using ffmpeg for encoding on your headless machines?
[20:07] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb, I swear I would rather do that. But what I am faced with is this: when I am done creating the video in kdenlive or resolved, there is a huge amount of encoding to be done. I would like to just create and edit the video on my main pc, save the 'project' then open it up on ubuntu grunt machine and encode.
[20:08] <MrCollinsGA> I havent found a way to get around that.
[20:08] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: create video on workstation, copy to one of the headless machines and kick off a script to use ffmpeg to encode file
[20:09] <MrCollinsGA> like if I have 4 disparate video clips that need to be put together right. I have to piece them together and with a intro and outro for youtube.
[20:09] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb, ok. once I do it in kden for instance, I have a project file. How does using another machine help me if I have to do all that encoding before it goes to another machine
[20:10] <leftyfb> I thought the point was to use the worker machines to do the grunt encloding
[20:10] <MrCollinsGA> to be encoded by ffmpeg, which I am more then happy to figure out and use. I have been pulling my hair out for days. I dont wish to bother anyone here, but I am at my wits. sorry not trying to be emotional.
[20:11] <MrCollinsGA> yes thats what id love to do. ffmpeg cant encode a kden project file
[20:11] <MrCollinsGA> kden --> headless machine the '-->' is what I dont understand.
[20:12] <eflister> leftyfb: thanks for checking in -- i verified i still boot to a grub prompt, tried boot-repair ("recommended") again and verified got same results, verified i can still manually launch my installed ubuntu, booted live usb (EriC^) and am looking at the askubuntu post you sent to manually install grub EFI.  sorry, important family conversation got
[20:12] <eflister> started so i am having to pay attention to that for a few minutes.
[20:12] <MrCollinsGA> once the project is done, how do I get ffmpeg to do the grunt work?
[20:12] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: https://userbase.kde.org/Kdenlive/Manual/Rendering#Starting_Your_Rendering_Scripts_in_a_Command_Line_Terminal
[20:13] <MrCollinsGA> looking now leftyfb Thank You Very Much
[20:14] <EriC^> eflister: no worries
[20:15] <MrCollinsGA> you guys are the best man. #ubuntu #1 channel on the internet FTW
[20:17] <MrCollinsGA> do you guys know a way to have sudo not make me enter a password when I type it in? barring security this is on a spun up ubuntu VM
[20:18] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: https://linuxconfig.org/configure-sudo-without-password-on-ubuntu-20-04-focal-fossa-linux
[20:18] <MrCollinsGA> also is there a way for apt to auto update from other ubuntus locally? if there is a package thats on another machine on the same network?
[20:18] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: first result on google for "ubuntu sudo without password"
[20:18] <MrCollinsGA> thank you lefty
[20:18] <MrCollinsGA> oh ok sorry leftyfb
[20:18] <MrCollinsGA> got it thank you again
[20:21] <leftyfb> MrCollinsGA: as for package updates, you could setup and configure an apt proxy for your network that all machines would be configured to use (though apt). That way the packages would only be downloaded once. But installing the packages would still only be done manually or through a script or something like ansible or a service like what Canonical used to have for managing multiple machines. I forget the name of it
[20:21] <MrCollinsGA> oh ok I am researching this now leftyfb thank you again :)
[20:48] <jhutchins> Does Ubuntu not have apt-proxy?
[20:49] <leftyfb> jhutchins: it does, as I suggested setting up above
[21:02] <MrCollinsGA> so fstab i have <localip>:/localnfsshare/foo /localsymlink nfs auto,nofail,rw 0 0
[21:02] <MrCollinsGA> does that look ok?
[21:04] <MrCollinsGA> because when i sudo mount -a I get /localsymlink bad option; for several filesystems
[21:05] <MrCollinsGA> ah I dont have nfs-common installed.
[21:15] <eflister1> leftyfb: ok, following the askubuntu post you sent, the final update-grub command fails with: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nHHRyPhppc/
[21:17] <leftyfb> eflister1: if grub-install worked without an error, then you should be good
[21:18] <EriC^> eflister1: can you type 'mokutil --sb-state' and share the results?
[21:18] <leftyfb> eflister1: why do you have a grub.d.bak?
[21:19] <EriC^> eflister1: grub is borked, it creates a grub.cfg.new when something is wrong
[21:19] <eflister1> EriC^: SecureBoot disabled
[21:19] <eflister1> Platform is in Setup Mode
[21:19] <eflister1> leftyfb: i don't know, i assume boot-repair made it in one of my many attempts
[21:19] <leftyfb> eflister1: it looks like lots of bad things have happened to your grub files. You should probably reinstall
[21:20] <EriC^> i think that's boot-repair, it usually uses the .bak terminology
[21:20] <EriC^> eflister1: try typing "sudo mv /etc/grub.d{.bak,}"
[21:20] <EriC^> then rerun sudo update-grub
[21:25] <ramblebamble> eflister1, you happend to be in here yesterday asking about grub due to a dual boot problem with your work machine of two ubuntu-installations?
[21:26] <eflister1> leftyfb: my ubuntu partition's install still works, i can still manually launch it from the grub prompt as described in my askubuntu post (using linux, initrd, and boot).  i'd rather not overwrite it if there's any other thing to try.  EriC^: same results after the mv
[21:27] <eflister1> ramblebamble: i've only been here today, it's a dual boot problem with one each of ubuntu and windows, on a home (not work) machine.  what are you referring to?
[21:28] <ramblebamble> yesterday someone had a similar problem with grub, and today I read this and was thinking of that person https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/12/grub-doesnt-detect-windows-linux-distros-fix
[21:29] <eflister1> ramblebamble: ah ok.  my ubuntus are 21.10 (disk install and usb live)
[21:30] <ramblebamble> yes, was news to me as well, but it aptly describes your problem and would also explain why SO posts fail to provide you with a solution
[21:31] <ramblebamble> ah sorry misread the version
[21:34] <eflister1> ramblebamble: interesting, may still be worth a try?  looks like this is grub 2.06 which maybe i got from apt-get update?  how do i see my grub version?
[21:35] <ramblebamble> you should be able to see it using dpkg
[21:36] <ramblebamble> it provides an interface you can use for searching as well
[21:37] <eflister1> dpkg -s grub2-common says 2.04
[21:42] <ramblebamble> eflister1 what is the configuration of /etc/default/grub ?
[21:45] <ziggy> exit
[21:45] <ramblebamble> hmm exiting without statuscode
[21:45]  * ramblebamble is confused about the success of that operation
[21:46] <eflister1> ramblebanble: i show the output of cat'ing that file in https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nHHRyPhppc/ -- looks same now except missing the last line shown there (GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false)
[21:48] <ramblebamble> so line 56 is missing from yours that is good news
[21:48] <MrCollinsGA> leftyfb, I know this is a little OT, but so win64 kdenlive exports mlt and linux version exports sh. crazy eh o.O
[21:48] <ramblebamble> k update grub and let's see the outcome
[21:49] <ramblebamble> I havn't really done a lot of work with grub, only when installing a system or accidently shooting myself in the foot and then fixing it, but there should be wiki-entires about that
[21:51] <eflister1> ramblebamble: same results as in that paste from last time
[21:51] <eflister1> ramblebamble: i'm supposed to update-grub from within chroot /mnt right?
[21:52] <jkk> :P
[21:52] <ramblebamble> ah so you are the same guy,yes
[21:52] <eflister1> ramblebamble: same guy as...?
[21:53] <ramblebamble> the same question about the chroot came up then
[21:53] <eflister1> by "last time" i meant as my paste to leftyfb at 21:15:39 above
[21:54] <eflister1> ramblebamble: i am chrooting to update-grub because i'm following leftyfb's recommendation of https://askubuntu.com/questions/831216/how-can-i-reinstall-grub-to-the-efi-partition/831241#831241
[21:54] <eflister1> ramblebamble: if i don't chroot, i get "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: failed to get canonical path of `/cow'."
[21:55] <ramblebamble> ah k anyways, chroot and foolow the post, looks sounds but as I said, I am not firm in those matters, but it is approved so you should be good ;)
[21:56] <jhutchins> ramblebamble: Did you mount dev, proc, and sys?
[21:57] <eflister1> jhutchins: do you mean me?  following that askubuntu post, i "for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done".  but i've since been in and out of the chroot so i don't know if something's been lost...
[21:58] <ramblebamble> when you change-root and want a sound system it is advisable, because the device-files need to be there as well , but as I said, I have done to little to be an authority in that matter, just trying to help eflister1 along, think of it as a one eyed man with a half blind eye leading the blind man :D
[22:02] <eflister1> after "chroot /mnt", "ls /" shows all those dirs.  when i exit the chroot, "ls /" also shows them.  there are minor other differences between the two (swapfile, lost+found)
[22:03] <oerheks> interesting, you did not reinstall grub, but exit the chroot
[22:06] <ramblebamble> eflister1, once this is over have a looksee as to what --bind means for mount
[22:06] <eflister1> oerheks: that paste shows the results of following https://askubuntu.com/questions/831216/how-can-i-reinstall-grub-to-the-efi-partition/831241#831241, where i chroot, grub-install, and update-grub.  the last is what fails.  since then i have exited and re-entered the chroot.  i don't know enough to know whether that loses some state.
[22:18] <oerheks> grub-install --target=x86_64-efi /dev/sdX  ## as you seem to have UEFI
[22:18] <oerheks> see a few answers below
[22:23] <eflister1> oerheks: ok, did that.  should i still update-grub?  it gives the same errors as before
[22:30] <Jeremy31> eflister1: post URL from terminal for> sudo ls -R /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:31] <pycurious> https://dpaste.org/tHe6 - can i reboot this machine? Or is this fstab is going to have issues? I'm assuming main mounts before swap - otherwise it might hang
[22:32] <pycurious> mount -a is not complaining
[22:36] <eflister1> Jeremy31: from inside the chroot?  my regular /boot/ doesn't have an efi/.  but if i chroot to mnt/, i get https://termbin.com/78ds
[22:37] <Jeremy31> eflister1:  URL for> efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:38] <eflister1> Jeremy31: https://termbin.com/ybrc
[22:39] <Jeremy31> eflister1: I see no reason why grub doesn't boot Ubuntu
[22:40] <eflister1> Jeremy31 - thanks, i hadn't tried yet, was still waiting to hear if the update-grub errors were a problem
[22:41] <eflister1> Jeremy31, oerheks, ramblebamble, i'll try rebooting now unless anyone says to do anything else first
[22:41] <Jeremy31> Unless it is some stubborn machine that only allows Windows to make UEFI boot changes, it should work
[22:42] <eflister> it went to grub prompt
[22:45] <Jeremy31> eflister: have you tried at askubuntu.com and/or ubuntuforums.org
[22:47] <eflister> Jeremy31: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1384496/boot-hangs-at-grub-prompt-instead-of-grub-menu i think @oldfred's suggestion is same as oerheks, which i will try to figure out now -- i just don't get why boot-repair didn't update the uuid's
[22:49] <Jeremy31> eflister: you could try this in Windows if it boots https://techwiser.com/fix-grub-after-windows-10-upgrade
[22:53] <vitali> is vitali a pop name on irc?
[22:55] <eflister> Jeremy31: i've done everything in that article, that's how i got where i am.  i've just run boot-repair (recommended) again, here's the bis: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BJ3NFwVQww/
[23:10] <berwin> I would like to know how to adjust the Kdenlive window in Ubuntu 20.04 Gnome, it is that it does not come out complete, the bottom part is not displayed all the way down ... has it happened to someone?
[23:10] <berwin> Greetings from Cuba. !!!
[23:14] <jhutchins> bertptrs: What version do you have and how did you install it?
[23:14] <jhutchins> bertptrs: You may be editing at a different resolution than your display.
[23:15] <jhutchins> bertptrs: You also may be mistaken for berwin, who was too impatient to wait for an answer.
[23:15] <jhutchins> bertptrs: Still there?
[23:15] <berwin> yes...
[23:16] <berwin> The program was closed, excuse me
[23:17] <berwin> I couldn't see the answer they sent me
[23:22] <berwin> Please, any solution ?
[23:23] <berwin> The maximize button does not appear either ...
[23:42] <eflister1> Jeremy31, oerheks, ramblebamble: ok, i tried to fix the uuid problem, same results.  here's the latest from boot-repair: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nkWcdPrNXT/
[23:43] <eflister1> leftyfb ^
[23:44] <eflister1> EricC^
[23:44] <eflister1> EriC^ ^
[23:46] <ramblebamble> I don't have an account to that pastebin and I am outta my depth here. Might consider a pastebin not requiring login?
[23:47] <eflister1> ramblebamble, i'm happy to use one of your choosing, this is the one recommended by this channel's announcement
[23:49] <eflister1> ramblebamble https://pastebin.com/RzzGsnAa
[23:52] <jhutchins> berwin: I said that it's probably just that the image you're editing doesn't match the scale/resolution of your display.  You may not be able to fix it.
[23:52] <jhutchins> bertptrs: What version do you have and how did you install it?
[23:54]  * jhutchins wanders off again.
[23:57] <berwin> Kdenlive 21.12.0  from PPA
[23:58] <leftyfb> berwin: purge kdenlive, remove the PPA and then install kdenlive from a supported repository and see if it helps
[23:58] <berwin> It is the interface of the program that does not adjust to the resolution of the desktop


[11:50] <Torg> I tried changing the $HOME varible in the .bashrc file but that didn't do anything but change my home dircetory, I still started in a directory I didn't want to be in
[11:50] <Pommie> Gosha : An actual error message would help.
[11:50] <age6racer> wifi-radar
[11:50] <Gosha> An error occurred while loading http://msn.com:
[11:50] <Gosha> Unknown host msn.com
[11:50] <Duckhunt> @MEG: i'll google and past something here
[11:50] <Gosha> in conqueror
[11:50] <ubunoob> any other info you need?
[11:50] <Gosha> and basically the same in firefox
[11:50] <ubunoob> i can type it up if you want me to
[11:50] <dxdt> anybody in here happen to install ROOT?  (The physics program from CERN--not the superuser or anything like that)
[11:50] <Judicata> ubunoob: Ok, here's another idea. Try to reinstall Ubuntu. This time, don't designate the Windows drive as anything (including swap), and don't reformat it(!!). Just ignore it in the installation process, and make sure it isn't being erased.
[11:50] <Pommie> Gosha: You may have lost the ability to do DNS lookups, not "the internet is broken" :-P
[11:50] <age6racer> shades66: wifi-radar (it used to work fine with WEP)
[11:50] <age6racer> now not so much
[11:51] <ubunoob> okay
[11:51] <Gosha> .. :O
[11:51] <Gosha> so .. tell me the ip to google and i'll see if i can go in
[11:51] <shades66> age6racer :  i've not used that. I found the networkmanager applet the easiest to use and it allows me to hot swap between wireless and wired networks automatically
[11:51] <Pommie> Gosha : Open a terminal window, type "nslookup www.msn.com" and see what pops up
[11:51] <ubunoob> i'll be back in a little bit. drop me an email at<EMAIL_ADDRESS>to get ahold of me in a bit
[11:51] <ubunoob> im gonna try to resinatll it
[11:51] <age6racer> is that the name of it in synaptic? 'networkmanager'
[11:52] <Judicata> ubunoob: Ok, I'll try to stay on here long enough to see how it goes.
[11:52] <ubunoob> and sorry for so many typos
[11:52] <ubunoob> okay
[11:52] <Gosha> "connection timed out; no servers could be reached"
[11:52] <monti> nabend
[11:52] <benkong2> age6racer; networkmanager-gnome
[11:52] <Pommie> age6racer : Try hitting Ctrl-F in synaptic and entering "network".
[11:52] <pip> Pommie, fokuslee: after ive written "sudo mount /dev/hdd1 /home/ubuntu/120gb -t vfat -o iocharset=utf8,umask=000" i still cant write to it?
[11:52] <cj_> hi, Would my wireless card in ubuntu by default be in promicuios mode?
[11:53] <vustar> dromer, ok do last thing. "mozilla-thunderbird -ProfileManager" and create a fresh profile.
[11:53] <dxdt> networkmanager for the win.  Man that made my wireless go from PAIN to 4 minute job with WPA.  SO awesome.  I have so much <3 for the developers of that.
[11:53] <Valde2008> someone help me with sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[11:53] <Valde2008> oops i eman
[11:53] <Valde2008> ms core fonts
[11:53] <Pommie> Gosha : Is that for the machine you're currently on, or another one in the room?
[11:53] <shades66> pip:  add  ,rw to the end of the -p options
[11:53] <age6racer> is it anything like knetworkmanager? I've used that before
[11:53] <vustar> suman, no good. have you tried using through wine ?
[11:53] <shades66> pip: sorry -o options
[11:53] <burnhamd> i installed windows and now i need to retore grub how do i do this?
[11:54] <suman> http://www.cs.cornell.edu/~scs49/install_linux.html#destHeader164
[11:54] <cj_> hi, Would my wireless card in ubuntu by default be in promicuios mode?
[11:54] <Pommie> pip: After "umask=000" add ",rw"
[11:54] <pip> shades66: -orw?
[11:54] <dxdt> I would personally say it is better than knetworkmanager but meh.
[11:54] <pip> aha ok
[11:54] <shades66> pip:   -o iocharset=utf8,umask=000,rw
[11:54] <dromer> vustar: nohhhh, I had everything sset up perfectly :'(
[11:54] <pip> thanks again :)
[11:54] <dromer> all my rss[feds etc etc etc
[11:54] <trymmi> dxdt: When I go to remove the totem mozilla plugin it says that it will also have to remove "Ubuntu Desktop". That sounds like something I don't want to do..
[11:55] <dxdt> cj_, you can check by running iwconfig on a command line.  It will say Mode Something and it it says Monitor or Promiscuous that's what mode it is.
[11:55] <vustar> dromer, well just create a fresh profile and see.
[11:55] <vustar> dromer, at this point you want to make tb working.
[11:55] <TheDebugger> dxdt: It's juste a metapackage, you can remove it
[11:55] <dxdt> trymmi, actually that's not that bad.  It isn't nearly as scary as it sounds.  Ubuntu-Desktop is a meta package that is basically a list of all the default packages that kinda come in the gnome desktop.
[11:55] <Gosha> Pommie: i'm on it now
[11:55] <TheDebugger> *just
[11:55] <Gosha> this is the same computer
[11:56] <age6racer> shades66: how do I run it once it's installed?
[11:56] <trymmi> dxdt: Well, what happens if I remove it?
[11:56] <fokuslee> pip, also set uid=1000, gid=1000 it will save u some trouble latter, use id to check ur uid itz probably 1000
[11:56] <black_abaddon> troll troll
[11:56] <vustar> suman, it looks like that raaga uses some native windows driver instead of real player.
[11:56] <pip> shades66, Pommie: when i look at the icon of the mounted hdd there is a lock on it and when i  watch the permissions it says only owned can write to it?
[11:56] <Pommie> Gosha : Okay, then chances are that what happened is the server doing your DNS lookups is having a problem resolving the domain name. Less likely it's your computer, since you're on IRC right now. :-P
[11:56] <pip> fokuslee: all my id are =0
[11:56] <dxdt> trymmi, so when you remove it, you are basically saying like "Hey, I'm changing some of the default progs installed"  I removed mine a long time ago.  I never saw a difference.  Like I and the other guy said, it is a metapackage, not a real program per say.  You can always actually just reinstall it too. But yeah I removed it the first day and never looked back.
[11:57] <shades66> age6racer:  you might need to restart gnome as it appears in the icon bar next to the clock
[11:57] <fokuslee> pip don't use sudo id just id
[11:57] <fokuslee> id=0 is root
[11:57] <trymmi> Ok..
[11:57] <age6racer> ok cheers
[11:57] <Gosha> my father uses the connection too .. works fine for him ..
[11:57] <aouaou> heelo ppl
[11:57] <vustar> dromer, is it all good or not ? is tb started atleast ?
[11:57] <pip> fokuslee: now my gid=999
[11:57] <age6racer> hold up... I'm running xubuntu (xfce) so will it still show up do you think?
[11:57] <Pommie> pip: After that "rw" option, add ",user"
[11:57] <fokuslee> pip taht is why ur mounted hdd has a lock on it b/c itz owned by root not by u
[11:58] <jewbilee> Why does my sound lag behind my video?
[11:58] <suman> vustar thers some problems with gcc versions the link has some solutions im trying that
[11:58] <pip> ok :)
[11:58] <fokuslee> pip yeah u want uid=999, gid=999
[11:58] <fokuslee> pip that way u shouldn't see the lock anymore
[11:58] <vustar> suman, okie
[11:58] <aouaou> can anyone help me install my ati graphics card to ubuntu 6.10?
[11:58] <aouaou> everything i have tried failed :-(
[11:59] <pip> fokuslee: do you mind complete the command? "sudo mount /dev/hdd1 /home/ubuntu/120gb -t vfat -o iocharset=utf8,umask=000"
[11:59] <Pommie> Gosha : What do you have in /etc/resolv.conf ?  ('cat /etc/resolv.conf' to view it)
[11:59] <trymmi> dxdt: IT WORKED! Thanks a bunch! On to virus-free porn!
[11:59] <dxdt> trymmi, hehe  no problem!
[11:59] <jewbilee> Why does my sound lag behind my video?
[11:59] <fokuslee> pip sudo mount /dev/hdd1 /home/ubuntu/120gb -t vfat -o iocharset=utf8,umask=000,uid=999,gid=999
[12:00] <pip> fokuslee: i love you :D
[12:00] <Taime1> i installed my nvidia drivers using automatix, and im sure it was successful, i even have an nvidia splash at bootup now. BUT WHEN i open google earth, it tells me that it cant recognize my video card.. whats up with that?
[12:00] <dromer> vustar: I don't have time and really need to go
[12:00] <fokuslee> pip ^.^V
[12:00] <gnuwtey> hi, i'm asking if it's possible to install ubuntu onto a DVD+R
[12:00] <pip> Pommie: i love you too. thanks guys :)
[12:00] <gnuwtey> i tried, i just can't
[12:00] <Gosha> .. it's empty
[12:00] <Pommie> pip: Awwww, I can just feel the love
[12:00] <Pommie> *cries*
[12:00] <pip> :)
[12:00] <Pommie> he
[12:00] <shwag> er
[12:00] <Pommie> h
[12:00] <Valde2008> anyone able to help me with steam and wine /q


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