[12:25] <geser> StevenK: about gnome-chemistry-utils and gchempaint (rdepends of libgoffice-0-3 (NBS)): I'll mail the Debian maintainers if updated packages are planned in the near future
[12:25] <azeem> they are
[12:27] <azeem> geser: well, I think Debian is waiting for libgoffice-0-3
[12:30] <LaserJock> well, 0.3 is the unstable version
[12:30] <LaserJock> hopefully 0.4 will be in unstable soon
[12:32] <azeem> yeah, ok
[12:32] <azeem> geser: what's the problem with g-c-u in Ubuntu anyway?
[12:35] <LaserJock> geser: it's old and we have goffice 0.4
[12:35] <LaserJock> g-c-u 0.8 need goffice 0.4
[12:36] <azeem> did 0.4 get released as a stable version upstream?
[12:36] <LaserJock> yes
[12:37] <azeem> ok
[12:40] <LaserJock> really Ubuntu should lead the packaging for g-c-u
[12:40] <LaserJock> because we tend to take goffice from Debian experimental
[12:42] <azeem> I think it also needs a newer openbabel
[12:42] <LaserJock> yes
[12:42] <LaserJock> 2.1
[12:44] <azeem> one option would be to upload it to exprerimental as soon as 2.1 is released
[12:44] <LaserJock> it's odd to me that goffice has been in experimental for over a year
[12:44] <LaserJock> there aren't really a lot of packages that depend on it
[12:45] <azeem> because it was an unstable release series I guess
[12:46] <LaserJock> I suppose
[12:46] <azeem> goffice (0.4.0-1) experimental; urgency=low
[12:46] <LaserJock> but 0.4 has been out for about 2 months now
[12:46] <azeem> * New upstream development release.
[12:46] <azeem> that's odd, yes
[12:46] <azeem> I'm gonna ask jbrefort about it when I see him next
[12:47] <LaserJock> azeem: I talk to him most every day
[12:48] <azeem> heh
[12:48] <LaserJock> hmm, the Debian maintainer maintains 64 packages it seems
[12:48] <LaserJock> I wonder if he just doesn't have time to work on goffice
[03:04] <LaserJock> StevenK: so what are you doing now with libcurl?
[03:07] <StevenK> LaserJock: Plotting flaming death for the Debian release team and the Debian maintainer.
[03:08] <LaserJock> sweet
[03:08] <LaserJock> so did you end up reverting your transition?
[03:09] <StevenK> The transitional libcurl4 packages got killed again, and I've just finished the second lot of sixty rebuilds
[03:09] <LaserJock> so we are going to go to libcurl4 ?
[03:09] <StevenK> Nope, we are heading back to libcurl3
[03:10] <LaserJock> so we tried to go to libcurl4 but it didn't work so well so we're going back to libcurl3?
[03:10] <ajmitch> SONAME screwups
[03:10] <StevenK> Debian went to libcurl4, found a complete path of pain, and went back to libcurl3.
[03:10] <LaserJock> there's a forum thread so I thought I'd give a response if I figure out what's going on
[03:11] <LaserJock> StevenK: unless you want to write it? ;-)
[03:11] <StevenK> We went to libcurl4, did a bunch of rebuilds, and then pitti and I decided the bitter pill needed to swallowed at some point, so we first tried to provide libcurl4 packages, which didn't work, and so went back to libcurl3 and a complete bunch of rebuilds.
[03:12] <StevenK> LaserJock: I'm not eloquent enough. :-)
[03:12] <LaserJock> and I am?
[03:12] <LaserJock> somebody might as well do it
[03:13] <StevenK> LaserJock: You're probably more eloquent than I am. :-)
[03:13] <ajmitch> of course, he's a doc writer
[03:15] <StevenK> Good point.
[03:15] <LaserJock> ajmitch: and that means what exactly? :-)
[03:15] <LaserJock> I'm dumb enough to get suckered into writing
[03:17] <LaserJock> StevenK: is that because libcurl4 was supposed to be compatible with libcurl3?
[03:20] <StevenK> LaserJock: Supposed to be
[03:24] <StevenK> LaserJock: The problem is because Debian includes a patch that versions the symbols, so they aren't really compatible ...
[03:24] <LaserJock> umm ... darn
[03:26] <StevenK> LaserJock: As you can tell, it's a little complicated anyway.
[03:27] <LaserJock> mhm
[03:27] <LaserJock> well I just made a post
[03:28] <LaserJock> as the thread started 1hr ago and already has like 5-6 posts
[03:30] <StevenK> LaserJock: Link me?
[03:30] <LaserJock> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=492502
[03:31] <StevenK> Thanks
[03:34] <LaserJock> please feel free to correct/add to my post
[03:34] <StevenK> Hrm. I might have to duke it out with amarok, too.
[03:34] <StevenK> That would require signing up to the forums. :-)
[03:35] <LaserJock> really? I thought you had an account there
[03:36] <StevenK> If I do, it's news to me.
[03:36] <LaserJock> maybe it was ScottK
[04:47] <ScottK> What was maybe me?
[04:48] <ScottK> Now that I've read the scrollback.
[04:52] <LaserJock> sorry, my bad
[04:53] <LaserJock> wahoo, first "real" upload to Main
[04:59] <shirish> StevenK: are you there buddy?
[05:01] <shirish> StevenK: ok just so you know whenever u come back openoffice also needs rebuilding for the libcurl thing
[05:29] <LaserJock> morning Hobbsee
[05:29] <LaserJock> or afternoon
[05:29] <LaserJock> or whatever it is there
[05:31] <Hobbsee> hey LaserJock!
[05:31] <Hobbsee> meh.  i just got up, so it's morning
[05:33] <ajmitch> a nice definition of morning
[05:33] <Hobbsee> yep
[05:33] <ajmitch> very flexible
[05:33] <LaserJock> hmm, it seems like app-install-data got turned into app-install-data-ubuntu
[05:34] <Hobbsee> it's morning in europe
[05:35] <LaserJock> very early morning
[05:40] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: how's life?
[05:40] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: life?  it's going OK.  i'm waiting, whcih is sucking a bit :)
[05:42] <ajmitch> waiting for exam results?
[05:42] <Hobbsee> that too
[06:17] <fabbione> morning
[06:17] <Hobbsee> hiya mpt, fabbione
[06:17] <fabbione> StevenK: ping?
[06:17] <StevenK> fabbione: Pong
[06:18] <fabbione> StevenK: i just noticed the big rebuild of death for libcurl. Are you going to take care of main too? at least git-core needs love
[06:18] <fabbione> StevenK: or do you need people to sponsor to main?
[06:18] <Hobbsee> fabbione: he's a core dev
[06:18] <fabbione> ok
[06:18] <StevenK> Thanks for noticing. :-P
[06:19] <fabbione> Hobbsee: sorry i can't remember everybody :)
[06:19] <StevenK> fabbione: git-core should be fixed.
[06:19] <fabbione> StevenK: ok
[06:19] <Hobbsee> fabbione: you need a better memory.
[06:19] <fabbione> Hobbsee: i need to be 10 years younger :)
[06:19] <StevenK> Heh
[06:20] <mpt> hi Hobbsee
[06:20] <Hobbsee> fabbione: good luck finding that time machine.
[06:44] <fabbione> hmm StevenK I guess we also need an OOo rebuild...
[06:45] <StevenK> fabbione: Correct. But pitti told me not to touch it, which I plan on following to the letter. :-)
[06:45] <fabbione> ehehhe
[06:45] <ajmitch> let calc handle it?
[06:45] <StevenK> Suits me.
[06:46] <fabbione> all good :)
[06:56] <StevenK> fabbione: Are you a big bad buildd person?
[06:57] <fabbione> StevenK: no sorry, i have no access to the buildd
[06:57] <StevenK> fabbione: It's fine, I can wait.
[08:24] <Hobbsee> morning pitti!
[08:25] <StevenK> pitti: I missed a bunch of rebuilds - 21, which I've done.
[08:25] <StevenK> pitti: The total is 62, with 3 FTBFS on all archs, and 3 FTBFS on ia64 only.
[08:26] <StevenK> pitti: The 3 FTBFS on all archives can be fixed with a give-back. The three are bibletime, cduce and gnomesword.
[08:26] <StevenK> s/archives/archs/
[08:27] <pitti> Good morning
[08:28] <pitti> StevenK: I'll give them back, thank you!
[08:28] <StevenK> pitti: Thank you. :-)
[08:34] <pitti> hi Hobbsee!
[08:38] <StevenK> pitti: I think that this publisher run should polish off the rest of them.  :) *MUST* *CLEAN* *ARCHIVE*
[08:48] <Hobbsee> pitti: s/tireless/insane/ i suspect
[08:48] <StevenK> Both?
[08:48] <Hobbsee> pitti: you should make him an archive admin next, so he can cue his own stuff :P
[08:48] <StevenK> pitti: Hey, if it helps you and Hobbsee in your jobs, and cuts down on the number of bugs, I'm all for it.
[08:48] <Hobbsee> StevenK: you could help me in my job by going to work for me tonight.
[08:49] <StevenK> Hah
[08:49] <LaserJock> umm, stupid bash question, can I have a variable in a variable name?
[08:49] <StevenK> I think so.
[08:50] <Treenaks> ${$WHATVER} ?
[08:50] <Treenaks> no.. that doesn't work
[08:50] <StevenK> Doesn't for me, either.
[08:50] <StevenK> LaserJock: You can in Perl...
[08:50] <Treenaks> eval?
[08:51] <StevenK> That works
[08:51] <StevenK> foo="blah" ; eval lala${foo}="foo" ; echo $lalablah
[08:52] <minghua> You can, I just forgot the grammar.
[08:55] <LaserJock> blah
[08:55] <LaserJock> I should just do this in python
[08:56] <minghua> $ A=B; B=foo; echo ${!A}
[08:56] <minghua> foo
[08:57] <StevenK> That smells like a bash-ism
[08:58] <StevenK> It is, too
[08:58] <minghua> Yes, definitely bashism.
[08:58] <mikmorg> Is there any way to do something like: dpkg --install --recursive --pending pool/*.deb ?
[08:59] <mikmorg> Ie. I want to install given a path, only the files marked for installation
[09:28] <dholbach> good morning
[09:31] <dholbach> hey pitti
[09:31] <pitti> hey dholbach
[09:40] <pygi> good morning folks
[09:41] <mdke> morning all
[09:46] <pygi> hey mdke
[09:48] <pitti> StevenK: so, the give-backs mostly worked, except for some ia64 stuff
[09:48] <pitti> StevenK: looking forward to this noon's NBS output :)
[09:57] <Tonio_> pitti: there is a little problem with libcurl-gnutls, it has been reverted, but I think version 0ubuntu3 should be removed (the deb files) from the repos, since libcurl4-gnutls is still there, so wants to be installed, and conflicts with latest version
[09:58] <Tonio_> pitti: looks like the "real" package is prior to the virtual one and thus that blocks the all openoffice installation..... a bit annoying :)
[10:00] <pitti> Tonio_: ah, right; I just asked doko_ about a new OO.o, but we should wait for Chris
[10:00] <Tonio_> oki
[10:01] <dholbach> hey seb128
[10:01] <Tonio_> pitti: to be honnest I don't know if the problem is due to libgnutls or openoffice.... looks like OOo should be rebuild with libcurl3-gnutls, but I may be wrong...
[10:01] <seb128> hi dholbach
[10:01] <Tonio_> dholbach: we'll be able to make a point on kdebluetooth in about 3 weeks, time for upstream to heavilly fix bugs and us to prepare a nice package
[10:01] <Tonio_> hey seb128
[10:01] <seb128> hi Tonio_
[10:02] <dholbach> Tonio_: rock and roll - that's good news
[10:02] <siretart> asac: do you use a VCS for network-manager?
[10:04] <Fujitsu> Tonio_: OOo needs to be rebuilt; all other packages depending on libcurl4{,-gnutls} except apt have been already.
[10:04] <pitti> Tonio_: it should, right, and the 4 stuff needs to be removed
[10:04] <pitti> siretart: yes
[10:05] <pitti> siretart: https://code.launchpad.net/network-manager
[10:05] <siretart> ah, excellent
[10:05] <siretart> thanks
[10:27] <pitti> yay, apport-failed-retrace tags work now, as well as removing the CoreDump.gz for successful retraces
[10:30] <YokoZar> Is there an Ubuntu.com jabber server?
[10:32] <Fujitsu> YokoZar: I don't believe so, but it is particularly not suitable for this channel.
[10:32] <YokoZar> Fujitsu: I meant for developers and people with @ubuntu.com email addresses
[10:33] <pitti> shawarma: ah, langpack bootstrap on PPA is finally done; the buildd is unDoSed again now :)
[10:33] <Fujitsu> pitti: That took a while.
[10:33] <pitti> erk, yeah
[10:33] <pitti> in the old days I built the entire batch of 300 packages in 10 minutes or so
[10:33] <Fujitsu> But now we have some reasonable translations
[10:33] <Fujitsu> *?
[10:34] <pitti> Fujitsu: the packages itself didn't change a lot, but with PPA I don't need to have nasty hacks for maintaining an archive for myself and care about domination and multiple releases and such
[10:34] <pitti> Fujitsu: and it's easier to just sync/copy the packages from the PPA to archive.u.c.
[10:35] <Fujitsu> pitti: Is PPA working OK?
[10:35] <shawarma> pitti: Yes, I used it last night, too. It's alright, I just thought it was going to be like that every day. I'm calmer now. :)
[10:35] <mdz> morning all
[10:36] <Fujitsu> Hi mdz.
[10:37] <pitti> Fujitsu: apart from buildd shortage, yes
[10:37] <pitti> shawarma: no, I only build new daily packages when there are actually some changes; those are usually 10 languages or so
[10:38] <Fujitsu> Still just the two?
[10:38] <Fujitsu> Oh, and one won't have been doing anything, because it's amd64?
[10:38] <pitti> shawarma: I enable the cronjobs on rookery again now, let's see whether it's sustainable
[10:38] <pitti> Fujitsu: right
[10:39] <pitti> Fujitsu: is it useful for you? cool
[10:42] <mikmorg> Could anyone help me out - I can't remember the command that tricks 'uname -r'
[10:43] <pitti> mikmorg: sounds like an #ubuntu question; but 'tricks'?
[10:43] <mikmorg> pitti: yea, sorry.. actually probably more like ##linux.. but there is a standard way to make it return a false value if I remember right.
[10:49] <pitti> seb128: ah, nice: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=apport-failed-retrace
[10:49] <pitti> seb128: CoreDump.gz removal for successful retraces works now, too
[10:49] <seb128> pitti: rock on!
[10:50] <seb128> pitti: good job ;)
[10:51] <cjwatson> mikmorg: you could do it with an LD_PRELOAD wrapper for uname(2); a standard way doesn't spring to mind
[10:52] <seb128> pitti: the compiz one is "CoreDump" is not a core dump: File format not recognized"
[10:53] <seb128> pitti: I'm wondering where the coredump is screwed, the non debug backtrace looks ok, so it means it was working on the user machine
[10:54] <Fujitsu> pitti: Why am I seeing a lot of bugs tagged apport-crash that are several days old?
[10:55] <pitti> seb128: I have a lot of cases where /lib/tls/i686/cmov/lib*-2.6.so cannot be identified
[10:55] <pitti> seb128: that might account for a good deal
[10:55] <pitti> Fujitsu: because that tag is a permanent one; it denotes the ProblemType: (crash, package, kernel, etc.)
[10:56] <Fujitsu> pitti: Ahh, but they were also not retraced.
[10:56] <pitti> seb128: also, some parsing bugs: "its package compiz-fusion-plugins-main,universe is not available" or "but its package libs is not available" :)
[10:56] <pitti> Fujitsu: please give me the numbers, I'll look in the logs
[10:56] <Fujitsu> pitti: I don't know any offhand, but I'll find some in a sec.
[10:58] <Fujitsu> Bug #123870
[10:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123870 in listen "[gutsy]  listen.py crashed on exit (SIGSEGV in PyThreadState_New())" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123870
[10:58] <Fujitsu> pitti: ^^
[11:04] <pitti> Fujitsu: ah, broken core dump: struct.error: unpack requires a string argument of length 4
[11:04] <siretart> is anyone using mwolson's emacs22 packages here yet?
[11:05] <seb128> siretart: "mwolson"?
[11:05] <siretart> pitti: would emacs22 need a MIR?
[11:05] <pitti> Fujitsu: since it's the gzip wrapping that is damaged, and not just the compressed core dump itself, I suspect that something went wrong during upload or so
[11:05] <siretart> seb128: Michael Olson<EMAIL_ADDRESS>discussed the last days on ubuntu-motu@
[11:05] <pitti> siretart: no, I don't need one; however, I *do* want only one emacs in the archive :)
[11:06] <siretart> pitti: its rather a new upstream (in a new source package)
[11:06] <pitti> siretart: well, s/archive/main/ at least
[11:06] <siretart> I see
[11:06] <Fujitsu> pitti: I guess that would do it.
[11:07] <pitti> Fujitsu: I updated the bug and removed the core dump attachment
[11:07] <Fujitsu> pitti: So I aw.
[11:07] <Fujitsu> *saw
[11:07] <dholbach> can somebody give back gnome-terminal on amd64 and sparc?
[11:08] <pitti> dholbach: doing
[11:08] <dholbach> thanks pitti
[11:09] <Nafallo> running update-initramfs multiple times in one run is going to be fixed in gutsy, right? :-)
[11:10] <pitti> sabdfl: good morning Mark
[11:10] <Nafallo> ...and morning * :-)
[11:15] <cjwatson> Nafallo: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/dpkg-triggers
[11:15] <cjwatson> targeted, but as ever not certain
[11:16] <Nafallo> cjwatson: thanks. I'll subscribe if I'm not already :-)
[11:17] <crimsun> is cprov the one to ask about alsa-driver source uploads silently going the way of /dev/null, possibly due to a rather extensive LP: #foo entries?
[11:18] <crimsun> (on the order of 25 bugs)
[11:21] <cjwatson> crimsun: I looked into it briefly, and it's certainly well beyond a humble archive admin to sort out
[11:21] <cjwatson> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8312458/fSl6HTFlQliJLUZlM1vUKk7DaiY.txt
[11:21] <pitti> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8312459/6qiBYhYEVQ0X5VDjVgz0H9EEer9.txt, too
[11:22] <pitti> crimsun: something between carlos (Rosetta import) and cprov, I think
[11:22] <crimsun> ok, thanks.
[11:24] <carlos> pitti: hmm, I don't think it's related with me
[11:25] <pitti> carlos: right, entirely a permission problem
[11:25] <pitti> it just seems to happen during translation tarball import
[11:26] <carlos> pitti: hmm, that backtrace is about sending the notification email
[11:27] <carlos> pitti: where do you see it related with translation uploads?
[11:28] <pitti> SELECT pluralforms, code, uuid, direction, visible, pluralexpression, nativename, englishname FROM Language ...
[11:29] <pitti> carlos: but that's just where it dies with a permission error on anguage
[11:29] <pitti> language
[11:29] <carlos> that doesn't mean it's a translation upload problem
[11:29] <carlos> it looks more related with answers tracker
[11:30] <carlos> it also uses language table
[11:30] <carlos> Translations is not the only user for that information anymore
[11:30] <Sp4rKy> dholbach: around ?
[11:30] <Sp4rKy> dholbach: you commented bug #124145
[11:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124145 in libtunepimp "Please merge libtunepimp (main) from Debian unstable (main) " [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124145
[11:31] <Sp4rKy> the depends was remove in the last debian update
[11:31] <ogra> woah ...
[11:31] <ogra> did anyone here ever try to run gnome in 8bit graphics mode ?
[11:31] <Sp4rKy> dholbach: (appears in libtunepimp_0.5.3-4.patch )
[11:31] <seb128> ogra: no, does it crash?
[11:31] <ogra> seb128, yeh, like mad
[11:32] <Sp4rKy> dholbach: anyway, no doc about this change, so i'm not sure it has to be added ...
[11:32] <ogra> panel restarts in an endless loop
[11:32] <seb128> ogra: there is a known cairo bug
[11:32] <ogra> ah
[11:32] <seb128> looks like it's not trivial to fix
[11:32] <ogra> well, not that i'd expect any users to run gnome in 8bit
[11:32] <ogra> :)
[11:32] <seb128> ogra: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4945
[11:33] <ubotu> Freedesktop bug 4945 in general "Cairo doesn't support 8-bit pseudocolor visuals" [Critical,New]
[11:33] <coNP> actually why not (esp. with vnc)?
[11:34] <seb128> coNP: let's say it's not a standard usecase
[11:34] <ogra> wow, seems there are some concerned actualy
[11:34] <mjr> vnc can color-convert from higher bpps to 8bpp for transit
[11:34] <mjr> anyway, it's not so long that my SO used a 8bpp SparcStation as an X term...
[11:42] <dholbach> Sp4rKy: it was added in 0.5.3-3 - "fix depdendencies to be binNMU safe"
[11:45] <Sp4rKy> yep
[11:45] <Sp4rKy> but i don't know why it was removed
[11:45] <dholbach> it's removed in your debdiff
[11:45] <Sp4rKy> yes
[11:45] <Sp4rKy> and it was removed in the debian update
[11:45] <dholbach> yeah, you didn't merge it into your patch
[11:46] <Sp4rKy> i didn't merge it because it was explicitly removed in the debian update
[11:47] <Sp4rKy> http://paste.dunnewind.net/8
[11:47] <dholbach> oh ok
[11:47] <Sp4rKy> line 17/18
[11:47] <dholbach> now I see it too
[11:48] <Sp4rKy> :)
[11:48] <dholbach> excusez-moi :)
[11:48] <Sp4rKy> ^^
[11:48] <Sp4rKy> np
[11:48] <Sp4rKy> so i don't need to add it ?
[11:48] <dholbach> no, let me review it again
[11:48] <dholbach> if it's good, I'll upload it
[11:48] <Sp4rKy> ok
[11:48] <Sp4rKy> np
[12:10] <pitti> keescook: btw, it seems I can remove the ptrace hack from apport's _read_maps() again? IIRC you said that ptracing is not necessary any more?
[12:13] <keescook> pitti: yes, that's correct.
[01:59] <StevenK> Oh, damn.
[02:00] <persia> StevenK: There's a sync that might help (I've just been drafting the bug)
[02:01] <StevenK> persia: For what?
[02:01] <persia> StevenK: nexuiz / curl
[02:02] <StevenK> Cool. I'll ignore uploading it, and pitti/someone else can sync it.
[02:02] <pitti> StevenK: tell me once you confirmed it
[02:02] <persia> StevenK: No promises that Debian was perfect - testing is on my immediate TODO :)
[02:03] <Fujitsu> StevenK: What went wrong with it?
[02:05] <StevenK> Fujitsu: I fixed nexuiz, and not nexuiz-server.
[02:06] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[02:06] <StevenK> So now the sync can.
[02:24] <pitti> crimsun: still here?
[02:25] <pitti> crimsun: cprov evaluated the error; you can either unlink the answer tracker item from the bug report and upload again, or wait a bit longer (should still happen today) for the real fix
[02:27] <Mithrandir> is it possible to remove an offer of mentorship from another person?
[02:29] <persia> Well.  That was exciting.  nexuiz 2.3-2 compiled against updated libcurl, installed successfully, and overheated my graphics card during testing.
[02:29] <persia> pitti: Do you want a sync bug for nexuiz, or is here good enough?
[02:29] <pitti> persia: are you a MOTU?
[02:30] <persia> pitti: Yes.
[02:30] <persia> pitti: https://launchpad.net/~persia/+participation
[02:30] <pitti> persia: good enough for me then
[02:30] <persia> pitti: Thanks.
[02:30] <Mithrandir> we usually want bugs so we have a trail
[02:31] <pitti> persia: just use requestsync; I'll get to it later then
[02:31] <persia> pitti: OK.  Thanks.
[02:35] <StevenK> pitti: I wish checkrdepends could cope with multiple packages at once. I'd rather not have it download every Packages.gz file for gutsy it can lay its hands on 24 times.
[02:36] <pitti> StevenK: true :) at some point this needs a more elaborate rewrite, also to get better output formatting
[02:36] <pitti> like sorting all the arches to one line and such
[02:40] <Mithrandir> pitti: it's called a web proxy, isn't it?
[02:40] <Mithrandir> s/pitti/SK/
[02:40] <StevenK> I haven't trusted squid in quite some time.
[02:41] <persia> StevenK: oops worked fairly well last time I was playing with proxies...
[02:42] <Mithrandir> iz Hobbsee
[02:42] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: it iz!  R U Scared YET???
[02:43] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: should I be? ;-)
[02:44] <Hobbsee> oh dear.  Splatted Mithrandir.
[02:44] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: good thing I just moved out of the way then.
[02:44] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: it fell where you moved.  you're out of luck.
[02:44] <Hobbsee> it was big enough that it'd fall on you wherever you moved to.
[03:04] <StevenK> pitti: Should I file bugs about Apache modules that Build-Depend on apache-dev, but not apache2-* and have no rdepends, or just tell you here?
[03:12] <mdz> something is enabling laptop mode on my laptop in gutsy, when I switch to battery power
[03:12] <mdz> causing bug 12483 to rear its ugly head again
[03:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 12483 in linux-source-2.6.15 "laptop-mode/IDE-APM hang on various laptops" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12483
[03:12] <Hobbsee> damn these people with nicks the same length, and the same colour on my client.
[03:12] <mdz> amitk: are you familiar with that bug?
[03:13] <mdz> it would save a lot of headache and learning which new power management component is responsible, if laptop mode just worked
[03:13] <amitk> mdz: not yet. I can have a look tomorrow at the earliest
[03:14] <mdz> amitk: do you happen to know which package is responsible for activating laptop-mode?  this used to be done by acpi-support, but no longer
[03:15] <amitk> mdz: no I don't
[03:15] <kylem> mdz, laptop-mode-tools: /etc/init.d/laptop-mode
[03:15] <kylem> /etc/init.d/laptop-mode stop
[03:16] <mdz> kylem: thanks
[03:16] <mdz> does laptop mode actually work properly on some laptops?
[03:16] <kylem> yeah. it works fine on mine.
[03:17] <pygi> hey folks
[03:17] <Hobbsee> hiya pygi.  how's burning* going?
[03:17] <pygi> Hobbsee, well, good, but I am more worried about my exams right now ^_^
[03:18] <Hobbsee> pygi: when do they finish?
[03:18] <pygi> Hobbsee, I had last written one yesterday ... if I pass, then it's oral one in the Monday, and that's it for now
[03:18] <pygi> but it still leaves me with too much exams ... I was playing too much :p
[03:18] <Hobbsee> pygi: heh
[03:19] <Hobbsee> pygi: exams suck.  so does waiting for results.  but that sucks less than the exams :P
[03:19] <pygi> Hobbsee, hehe :)
[03:19] <Hobbsee> pygi: sounds cool :)
[03:19] <Hobbsee> pygi: oral for what?  language or something?
[03:19] <pygi> Hobbsee, no, that exam is "Organization"
[03:20] <pygi> well, from that class
[03:20] <Hobbsee> pygi: erk
[03:20] <pygi> Hobbsee, for language exams I was forbidden to attend class one month and a half before end of it, and got A's :p
[03:20] <pygi> so no exams for me there ^_^
[03:20] <Hobbsee> pygi: a class on organization.  that's...interesting...seeing as anyhting you learned in that class would probably be negated by the time you spent being in that class
[03:20] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:21] <pygi> Hobbsee, just you laugh ^_^
[03:22] <Hobbsee> pygi: so do i.  german will be useful if/when i move there.
[03:22] <Hobbsee> or somewhere german-speaking.
[03:22] <pygi> Hobbsee, ehm, you're moving?
[03:22] <pitti> StevenK: removal bugs would be nice, for record keeping
[03:23] <Hobbsee> pygi: sometime, yeah.  after uni, i expect
[03:23] <pygi> Hobbsee, o well :)
[03:23] <Hobbsee> pygi: australia's so far away from everythin gelse, etc
[03:24] <pygi> Hobbsee, ah
[03:24] <pygi> Hobbsee, a place is as far from everything else as you make it
[03:24] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:25] <pygi> Hobbsee, but I do understand you
[03:27] <ijuz__> Hobbsee: i would not move to europe anymore, because it sucks
[03:27] <Hobbsee> ijuz__: why?
[03:30] <ijuz__> Hobbsee: politics are turning the EU into a state that would make Hitler and Mielke happy, i'm all negative
[03:30] <Mithrandir> ijuz__: Europe != EU.
[03:31] <ijuz__> well, .no and .ch is still there, but not much else
[03:31] <pygi> ijuz__, Croatia is in Europe, and that's != EU as well :)
[03:31] <Hobbsee> meh, politics
[03:34] <thom> we're way, way off topic :-)
[03:35] <pygi> thom, it's all fine tho ^_^
[03:36] <ijuz__> yes, well, not really soon, the EU will have laws that will bring you in prison when you write free software  >:->
[03:37] <Hobbsee> thom: it's no war.
[03:37] <Hobbsee> :P
[03:43] <wasabi> somebody needs to clearly define a difference between files in ~ which shoudl be shared between machines and ones that shouldn't.
[03:51] <maswan> wasabi: "files in ~ should be shared between machines.", seems resonable, no?
[03:52] <wasabi> Seems reasonable to me... but it implicitly implies files in ~ should be SHAREABLE between machines.
[03:52] <wasabi> Which is not the case all the time.
[03:53] <Hobbsee> hi calc
[03:53] <pitti> hi calc
[03:53] <pitti> calc: do you plan a new OO.o upload soon? it's currently uninstallable due to the libcurl mess (it needs to be rebuilt against libcurl3)
[03:54] <maswan> Yes, but this should be considered a bug, IMHO. Sharing the entire ~ is rather common if you have more than a couple of computers. Say at a workplace/university/similar.
[03:54] <wasabi> Wonder how Beagle should handle that.
[03:54] <wasabi> Since it's indexes are in ~
[03:54] <calc> pitti: ah yea i will try to get that done asap
[03:55] <calc> pitti: i can't run gutsy on my boxes due to several issues but i can build it in a chroot
[03:55] <maswan> wasabi: name indexes after fqdn?
[03:55] <calc> pitti: i just updated gutsy last night on my desktop and now it causes my machine to oops in the middle of apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:55] <mynameisdeleted> winehq.org's wine crashes on my latest gutsy upgrade, and so does crossover office
[03:55] <StevenK> pitti: Oh, can you ask mvo about an apt upload. I'm happy to do a rebuild update for it if he is.
[03:55] <mynameisdeleted> both with the same error
[03:55] <pitti> calc: we recently promoted lp-solve and usfparse to main, so that OO.o can use those external build deps instead of using the internal copies
[03:56] <calc> pitti: and either wpa or ifupdown is broken on my laptop
[03:56] <mynameisdeleted> and both in ld-linux
[03:56] <pitti> calc: crash> oh, oops
[03:56] <wasabi> maswan, I think my personal preference would be for indexes to not be in ~.
[03:56] <Hobbsee> mynameisdeleted: please see the /topic
[03:56] <wasabi> maswan, We're talking about huge files, which don't have much performance when network mounted.
[03:56] <pitti> StevenK: yep, he's on vac; a mere rebuild won't hurt, though
[03:56] <maswan> wasabi: that would be the sensible solution, yes
[03:56] <StevenK> pitti: Shall I do it, then?
[03:56] <calc> pitti: not sure what causes it but it does it every time i run the command
[03:56] <Hobbsee> StevenK: i have an apt udpate anyway...
[03:56] <wasabi> But then where should they go?
[03:56] <Hobbsee> but i want to test it out first :)
[03:56] <cjwatson> wasabi: I agree with maswan, I think non-shareable files in ~ are a bug
[03:56] <pitti> StevenK: even if we should lose the changelog due to version control not seeing your upload, it doesn't matter much
[03:57] <persia> wasabi: How about ~ indicies in ~, and machine indices in /usr/lib/beagle (/usr/lib to force local machine for shred /usr/share)
[03:57] <pitti> calc: with the feisty kernel, too?
[03:57] <cjwatson> wasabi: /var/lib/beagle/$USER?
[03:57] <persia> s/shred/shared/
[03:57] <cjwatson> or /var/spool or /var/cache or whatever
[03:57] <cjwatson> definitely not /usr
[03:57] <wasabi> All of those sound fine.
[03:57] <StevenK> pitti: Right, I'll do it when I get up so I can keep an eye on it.
[03:57] <wasabi> Now convince the beagle guys. ;
[03:57] <calc> pitti: haven't attempted using the feisty kernel on my desktop since it was working fine with the same kernel before doing the update last night
[03:57] <cjwatson> wasabi: surely changing paths is standard distro integration work
[03:57] <pitti> calc: ah, it was just a daily update, not one from Feisty? hmm
[03:57] <calc> pitti: i am going to try blasting the box and reloading feisty on it later today and make sure it is ok
[03:58] <wasabi> Maybe.
[03:58] <calc> pitti: yea a daily gutsy update caused the oops afaict
[03:58] <maswan> cjwatson: splitting the indexing for ~ and rest of system might be an upstreams request though
[03:58] <calc> pitti: of course blasting a production machine takes a while :\
[03:58] <pitti> calc: you can check /var/log/dpkg.log to see which packages have been upgraded
[03:58] <pitti> calc: and revert some which might be the culprit
[03:58] <calc> pitti: it was quite a few i hadn't updated in a week or two
[03:58] <pitti> calc: oh, erk; maybe install tribe-2 again instead of gutsy
[03:59] <pitti> Hobbsee: topic diff?
[03:59] <Hobbsee> pitti: adding gutsy support location
[03:59] <coNP> pitti: #ubuntu+1
[03:59] <calc> pitti: if it works, i tried tribe-2 installer on my laptop last night and it couldn't get past partman
[03:59] <calc> pitti: kept hanging up trying to set the partitions
[03:59] <pitti> calc: ah, manual parittioner?
[04:00] <calc> pitti: i partitioned it already was just using partman during the install process to mark which was swap and / and it hung during that
[04:00] <ScottK> pitti: Thanks for the notify-python sync.  I've been working my way through the packages owned by Debian Python Modules Team to see what I can do to make them syncable and notify-python was next on my list.
[04:01] <pitti> ScottK: I just filed a bug, I didn't sync it yet
[04:01] <cjwatson> calc: do you think you could preserve it in a state where that happens so that we can dissect it at the sprint?
[04:01] <cjwatson> calc: part of the problem is that neither evand nor I can reproduce it locally
[04:01] <shirish> pitti: could you look up https://bugs.beta.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/124206
[04:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124206 in apport "apport 0.88 while uploading shows errors" [Undecided,New]
[04:01] <calc> cjwatson: wrt the partman or something else?
[04:01] <cjwatson> calc: partman
[04:01] <ScottK> pitti: Understand.  You've already saved me the trouble of writing the bug and the trouble of determining if it's syncable.
[04:01] <calc> cjwatson: i was able to reproduce it after reboot so it may still be reproducible at sprint
[04:02] <evand> cjwatson: I was able to reproduce it last night
[04:02] <evand> I think
[04:02] <evand> bug 122645
[04:02] <calc> cjwatson: needed to get one of my machines back online so i ended up reinstalling feisty for the time being
[04:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122645 in ubiquity "manual partitioning hangs indefinitely" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122645
[04:02] <cjwatson> evand: ooh, good
[04:02] <calc> cjwatson: i also have an issue with wpa/ifupdown one of them not working properly even for open APs on gutsy
[04:03] <calc> cjwatson: i can get an ip address if i run dhclient eth directly but not if using network manager or ifupdown
[04:03] <cjwatson> calc: that I can't help with, but maybe asac or somebody else will be able to
[04:03] <calc> cjwatson: haven't been able to track it down to what exactly causes it due to not being able to install gutsy on my laptop yet, heh
[04:03] <cjwatson> live CD?
[04:04] <pitti> shirish: will loko in a bit
[04:04] <calc> cjwatson: yea
[04:04] <calc> cjwatson: from what i recall it happened on the installed version also
[04:04] <calc> cjwatson: also happens on amd64 gutsy as well from what i recall
[04:04] <cjwatson> oh, I meant that a live CD might be enough to track it down
[04:04] <calc> oh ok yea
[04:04] <calc> it shows up on the live cd definitely
[04:04] <shirish> pitti: thanx, I have sent you a pm also, i'll hang here for a while, if you need more info. either pm me or here itself, either is good :)
[04:05] <cjwatson> assuming you have enough memory (or set up swap) you can build and install packages on the running live CD, which is usually enough
[04:05] <asac> siretart: sorry ... i currently really don't use much of network-manager ... currently trying to change that
[04:06] <Hobbsee> shirish: that's already reported, i think
[04:07] <shirish> Hobbsee: ok cool Hobbsee please mark it duplicate it then, so I can subscribe to the original
[04:07] <Hobbsee> shirish: btw - people tend to be busy, and he's likely subscribed to all apport bugs, so bringing up $yourpetbug isnt going to get so far
[04:07] <Hobbsee> shirish: it's filed under synaptic, i think.  it was in -bugs yesterday or so.  look it up.
[04:07] <shirish> Hobbsee: oh, synaptic? ok
[04:07] <pitti> shirish: what Hobbsee said, I'm subscribed to apport bugs and regularly look at them anyway
[04:08] <Hobbsee> shirish: unless i shoved it to apport
[04:08] <shirish> pitti: I'm sure of it, I was unsure whether it was a genuine bug or was it something I was doing wrong, Hobbsee just confirmed it :)
[04:09] <Hobbsee> shirish: if it is, or is not, you'll find out when he happens to go thru the new apport bugs
[04:09] <ogra> BenC, hey ...
[04:09] <BenC> ogra: yo
[04:09] <Hobbsee> like i say, bringing it up in here, when he's usually busy with something else, isnt going to make him drop the something else, and go and fix $yourpetbug.
[04:09] <ogra> BenC, would it be possible to ship the oss headers in the linux-headers package again, they somehow vanished recently
[04:10] <Hobbsee> shirish: nor care, particularly much.  particularly teh more you do it.
[04:10] <shirish> Hobbsee: true.
[04:11] <calc> BenC: i was able to determine it is not the ipw3945 driver in gutsy at fault
[04:11] <pitti> evand: oh, something just occured to me
[04:11] <calc> BenC: not sure if you saw my discussion with crimsun about it last night
[04:11] <evand> ok
[04:11] <pitti> evand: it's gksu vs. sudo, right? Recently I changed sudo to print more detailled password prompts
[04:11] <evand> Yes, running with sudo works, but gksu does not.
[04:12] <pitti> evand: that did not break kdesu nor sudo in any way that I tested it with, and it's rather unlikely that it causes ubiquity to hang, but it's worth mentioning at least
[04:12] <pitti> evand: so maybe it's worth trying the tribe-1 version of sudo
[04:12] <evand> hrmm, I'll keep that in mind, thanks
[04:12] <pitti> evand: it would be really curious if that would fix it, but can't hurt to check :)
[04:12] <evand> indeed
[04:12] <cjwatson> I'm sceptical about that as a cause too
[04:13] <cjwatson> after all it only runs gksu/sudo right at the start
[04:13] <pitti> at most something like 'gksu checks for output, sees something different, and does not export an important variable" or so
[04:13] <Hobbsee> i wonder if it happened for kdesu...
[04:13] <cjwatson> pitti: I suppose that's possible
[04:13] <Hobbsee> stgraber: ping?
[04:13] <stgraber> Hobbsee: pong
[04:15] <Hobbsee> stgraber: at the bottom of the iso testing page, hwo hard would it be to have a link to "previous snapshot releases", where you could go back to tribe 1, 2, or whatever, done chronologically down the page (collapsable, i guess), and view the test results from them.  currently, it's either not possible, or i havent figured out how to see the old tests and results.
[04:16] <stgraber> Hobbsee: oh, looks like our archive page isn't public ... strange it should be
[04:16] <Hobbsee> stgraber: ah
[04:16] <Hobbsee> stgraber: i didnt see it even hwen logged in, though
[04:16] <Hobbsee> stgraber: it's quite possible that i could have missed it - i'm terrible at finding things right in front of me...but i would have thought i'd find something like that
[04:18] <calc> anyone know of any packages that would have caused my oops in apt-get dist-upgrade that were uploaded to gutsy in the past ~ 2 weeks
[04:18] <stgraber> Hobbsee: no, it seems that the link is only shown for site admins, I just added to my todolist for Monday, you can still use : https://isotesting.stgraber.org/isotesting/archive/ (but you'll see some weird thing like the checkboxes :))
[04:18] <calc> i can try tracking it down myself but just wondered if anyone had run across the issue already?
[04:18] <Hobbsee> stgraber: okay, cool, thanks :)
[04:20] <BenC> rough update...xchat-gnome started locking up, and then wont start again afterwards...firefox session restore is broken
[04:20] <BenC> wonder what else I can find :)
[04:21] <calc> BenC: have you seen the lovely oops during apt-get dist-upgrade?
[04:21] <BenC> calc: I ran dist-upgrade, didn't see an oops
[04:21] <calc> BenC: i saw that last night after not upgrading gutsy for a while
[04:22] <calc> BenC: ah too bad ;)
[04:22] <BenC> calc: so you were probably running a kernel older than -7?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> pitti: evand no one seemed to report that on the kde side, so it may be specific to gksudo.  or maybe no one found it.  not sure.
[04:22] <calc> was running -6 yea, i think i rebooted into -7 and the same thing happened
[04:22] <persia> BenC: Regarding firefox session restore, try removing .mozilla/firefox/(session)/extensions/extensions.rdf and .mozilla/firefox/(session)/extensions/staged-xpis
[04:22] <calc> BenC: anything wrong with -6 that would cause that?
[04:22] <evand> hrm
[04:23] <BenC> calc: very possible..if it happens with -7, please save and report
[04:23] <BenC> persia: thanks
[04:23] <calc> BenC: ok
[04:23] <Hobbsee> evand: i'll try it here now
[04:23] <Lure> siretart: whay did you add gnome depends back to network-manager?
[04:23] <Hobbsee> evand: at least, a tribe 2
[04:23] <evand> thanks Hobbsee
[04:24] <Lure> siretart: this will not make Riddell happy (and will make kubuntu cd oversized)
[04:24] <Hobbsee> Lure: yay, 2 people not happy on that basis :P
[04:26] <Hobbsee> evand: find me some more ram, kthxbye.
[04:26] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:34] <Hobbsee> evand: i've got this strange feeling that ubiquity-kdeui doesnt use either sudo or kdesu on the live cd, but it's allowed to run as root, without requiring a password
[04:34] <Hobbsee> evand: it neither mentions kdesu or sudo in it's desktop file
[04:34] <BenC> that mystery is solved, sort of...xchat-gnome blocks on read from the esd socket
[04:34] <BenC> kill esd and things go back to normal
[04:35] <pitti> right, I wanted to demote that to deskop recommends a long time ago, too
[04:35] <pitti> no need to kill ubuntu-desktop just for removing insanity
[04:36] <Hobbsee> evand: it doesnt have X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true either...doesnt even have that line - which something like adept_manager does.
[04:38] <Hobbsee> evand: i lie.  it's calling with kdesu --nonewdcop
[04:38] <evand> Hobbsee: it's done by ubiquity itself
[04:38] <Hobbsee> right, yeah
[04:40] <Hobbsee> evand: i cant reproduce it on kde in virtualbox
[04:40] <evand> hrm, ok
[04:40] <evand> thanks
[04:40] <Hobbsee> didnt try proper hardware, of course
[04:44] <pitti> hm, I need to do an experiment for a new apport change, but I need someone who is *not* an ubuntu-core-dev for this
[04:44] <geser> what do you want tested?
[04:45] <pitti> one is enough, I guess, thanks for the interest :)
[04:46] <pitti> please install apport-cli as a guinea pig package and add an 'assert False' to /usr/bin/apport-cli, right after "if __name__ == '__main__':" (at the bottom)
[04:46] <siretart> Lure: I agree that the gnome-dependency is unfortunate. however breaking 3 reverse dependencies (the vpn plugins) isn't nice as well
[04:46] <pitti> i. e. that's a package where I'm comfortable with dealing with some bug spam and which is easy to control
[04:47] <Lure> siretart: but breaking kubuntu is not an option ether
[04:47] <siretart> Lure: perhaps we can split the nm-vpn-properties application to an own binary package.
[04:47] <siretart> asac: how do you think about it?
[04:48] <Lure> siretart: yep, but I think that vpn-properties is supposed to move to n-m-applet in future, that is why it was moved there as a patch
[04:48] <siretart> Lure: please don't imply I wanted to break kubuntu
[04:48] <Lure> by Tonio_ if I recall correctly
[04:48] <Lure> siretart: I did not want to imply that, sorry for that
[04:48] <siretart> Tonio_: around?
[04:48] <Tonio_> siretart: yep
[04:49] <Lure> pitti: do you recall this discussion about vpn-properties being moved to -applet
[04:49] <pitti> Lure: vaguely
[04:49] <siretart> Tonio_: I had the impression that nm-vpn-properties has been moved from -applet to network-manager
[04:49] <Tonio_> siretart: we discussed with mbiebl and decided to do that way
[04:49] <Lure> Tonio_: you discussed it with mbiebl or n-m upstream?
[04:49] <siretart> Tonio_: I didn't find any traces of that there, so I reenabled it in the network-manager source package
[04:49] <geser> pitti: done, what's next?
[04:49] <Tonio_> Lure: mbiebl
[04:50] <Tonio_> siretart: let me check
[04:50] <pitti> geser: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/python-apport_0.89_all.deb -> can you please gdebi that?
[04:50] <siretart> Tonio_: why did nm-vpn-properties get dropped then in gutsy from -applet?
[04:50] <Lure> siretart: it may have been dropped by recent rework by asac
[04:50] <Tonio_> siretart: it wasn't in my package afaicr
[04:51] <pitti> shirish: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/python-apport_0.89_all.deb -> can you please gdebi that?
[04:51] <Tonio_> but it has been reworked a lot to fix patches issues which I couldn't handle
[04:51] <Tonio_> siretart: I need to investigate, gimme a moment
[04:51] <shirish> pitti: ok will do
[04:52] <siretart> Lure: it has been missing for more than one week. I was too annoyed about the broken openvpn package so I looked at the source packages and just fixed it
[04:52] <pitti> shirish, geser: with the new python-apport, please call 'apport-cli' and report the crash as usual
[04:52] <siretart> Lure: it seems to me that there should be a more visible hint in the source package where nm-vpn-properties is supposed to be
[04:53] <Lure> siretart: problem is that upstream has left vpn-properties in wrong tar
[04:53] <Hobbsee> Lure: Tonio_ any idea why knetworkmanager doesnt seem to autoconnect on startup, and hasnt for the past few weeks now?
[04:53] <Tonio_> Lure: exactly
[04:53] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: known bug, waiting for a fix :)
[04:53] <siretart> Lure: I assume you are in contact with upstream to fix that?
[04:53] <Lure> siretart: mbiebl talked with them and this is supposed to be addressed in next upstream release
[04:53] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: right.  guess you cant shove them along?
[04:54] <Tonio_> siretart: to make it simple, the point was that the vpn-prpperties is still in the n-m tarball, not the applet
[04:54] <siretart> Tonio_: I got that. I reenabled it in network-manager because of lack of better knowledge
[04:54] <eagles0513875> jw is anyone else have the problem where after they login on a broadband connection they connection doesnt automatically start
[04:54] <eagles0513875> once u log in
[04:54] <eagles0513875> im on the 64bit version of gutsy
[04:54] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: ...
[04:54] <Tonio_> siretart: the problem is that due to shlibsdeps, this was giving gnome dependancies on the n-m package
[04:54] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: #ubuntu+1 for a start, and i just answered you.
[04:54] <Tonio_> which is not good for kubuntu
[04:55] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: and the fact that you've just come in and disturbed a whole lot of other conversations, too.
[04:55] <Tonio_> so we dedided to install it in a hidden directory, then tell to shlibsdeps to ignore it, and patch n-m-applet, so that you could use it while the applet is installed
[04:55] <eagles0513875> sry i will leave channel
[04:55] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: sounds...crackful
[04:55] <Hobbsee> slightly
[04:55] <Lure> Hobbsee: good observation ;-)
[04:56] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: no other way if we don't want n-m to ship with 30 megs of gnome deps
[04:56] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: tru ethat
[04:57] <Tonio_> siretart: the change probably was lost by esac I guess
[04:57] <siretart> Tonio_: as said, I got that
[04:57] <Tonio_> siretart: then n-m-applet pointed to a place where vpn-properties was missing....
[04:57] <siretart> Tonio_: yes
[04:57] <siretart> I know
[04:58] <Tonio_> siretart: so what is the problem ? I mmust say I don't get you now ;)
[04:58] <siretart> Tonio_: I don't really care where vpn-properties actually is. I just don't want the package to be left broken around just because nobody cares
[04:58] <siretart> Tonio_: see my recent network-manager uploads from today morning
[04:58] <Tonio_> siretart: that I understand
[04:59] <Tonio_> siretart: well I id the package, but I don't use it myself, hard for me to be sure new uploads still work
[04:59] <Tonio_> siretart: do you still hide it from shlibsdeps ?
[05:00] <siretart> Tonio_: the network-manager package currently depends on libglib
[05:01] <Tonio_> hum....
[05:01] <Tonio_> siretart: isn't that possible to simply switch back to what I did first upload ? it worked afair
[05:02] <siretart> Tonio_: you mean to drop nm-vpn-properties again? sorry, I don't want to break packages on purpose
[05:02] <Tonio_> siretart: no, no, no
[05:03] <Tonio_> siretart: install in not in /usr/bin, then patch the applet, and tell dh_shlibsdeps to ignore it
[05:03] <Tonio_> siretart: it was working on the initial upload
[05:04] <crimsun> pitti: ok, thanks.
[05:04] <siretart> Tonio_: that part got dropped somehow. Feel free to reintroduce it (as long as nm-vpn-properties doesn't get dropped again ;)
[05:05] <Tonio_> siretart: sure
[05:05] <Tonio_> siretart: will do that toonight
[05:06] <Tonio_> siretart: I'll email asac on that point for further maintance of the package
[05:06] <pitti> geser: nevermind any more, I have the test results; please make sure to "apt-get install python-apport/gutsy" and purge apport-cli (or restore it); thank you
[05:09] <shirish> siretart: I have pmmed you something, please take a look at it as & when you can.
[05:13] <slomo> hi pitti :)
[05:14] <Hobbsee> hi slomo
[05:14] <slomo> hi Hobbsee
[05:15] <asac> Tonio_: pong
[05:15] <asac> Tonio_: sorry ... still fighting with some wifi setup stuff here ... so unreponsive
[05:16] <asac> siretart: did you commit your changes to bzr?
[05:16] <Lure> Tonio_: [17:15]  <asac> Tonio_: sorry ... still fighting with some wifi setup stuff here ... so unreponsive
[05:16] <shirish> asac: who is responsible for network-manager stuff?
[05:16] <pitti> asac: run!
[05:17] <asac> yeah ... i already have the feeling
[05:17] <Lure> asac: siretart's changes are in bzr
[05:17] <asac> and her dropped more than just adding vpn?
[05:17] <pitti> Master dholbach? can you please check whether you got bug mail for #124219?
[05:17] <Lure> asac: we need old hack from Tonio_ for vpn-properties in order not to pull in gnome depends for kubuntu
[05:18] <Lure> vpn-properties is supposed to move to -applet in next release to fix this long term
[05:18] <asac> Lure: can we please make a list of changes needed ... and don't do stuff in a hurry
[05:18] <dholbach> bug 124219
[05:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124219 in apport "apport-cli crashed with  IndentationError in CLIUserInterface()()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124219
[05:19] <Lure> asac: Tonio_ said that he will write e-mail to you
[05:19] <pitti> dholbach: it's a test bug for checking LP behaviour of email notifications
[05:19] <asac> Tonio_: ping
[05:19] <pitti> dholbach: I just need to know whether anyone from ubuntu-core-dev got bug mail about this
[05:19] <siretart> asac: sure!
[05:19] <dholbach> pitti: no, didn't get it yet
[05:19] <asac> Lure: siretart Tonio_ ... feel free to change things ... but please bring up a private bzr branch and tell me to pull and release changes in future :)
[05:19] <pitti> dholbach: well, you shouldn't :)
[05:19] <dholbach> I thought so ;-)
[05:19] <dholbach> great
[05:20] <pitti> dholbach: ubuntu-core-dev is sub'ed to that bug through ubuntu-crashes-main
[05:20] <dholbach> right
[05:20] <pitti> dholbach: so it seems that the "black hole" team contact address fro u-crashes-main does its job
[05:20] <asac> Lure: siretart Tonio_  ... at least we can discuss stuff before they get pushed... otherwise we will always end up playing ping pong with network-manager
[05:20] <pitti> dholbach: cool, thanks! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CrashReporting, there you go!
[05:22] <Tonio__> asac: I agree, and btw the changes I've done for the vpn-properties should have been documented in the package
[05:22] <asac> Tonio__: so is documentation missing now ... or is all fine now ... let me pull latest branch
[05:23] <Tonio__> asac: the only thing to be done is re-add the changes I've done for the vpn-properties part
[05:23] <Tonio__> asac: are you there toonight (means 2~3 hours) ?
[05:23] <Tonio__> asac: i'm at work yet, no way to do that atm
[05:28] <asac> i will be here at development meeting
[05:28] <asac> tomorrow i am here as well
[05:28] <pitti> asac: so, we'll have our discussion tomorrow?
[05:28] <asac> pitti: maybe we can do it in a few minuts ... depends if i get this wifi working here :)
[05:29] <asac> pitti: haha ... i have problems with encryption
[05:29] <asac> pitti: normal works
[05:29] <asac> pitti: but i want more :/
[05:30] <asac> pitti: can i do the testcase for our infamous bug without enc?
[05:30] <pitti> asac: you don't need wifi for that
[05:30] <pitti> asac: simple eth is enough
[05:30] <pitti> asac: in fact it's much easier, since you can unplug/replug
[05:30] <pitti> the lack of a cable makes this a bit harder for wifi :)
[05:31] <asac> pitti: ah ... so eth1 and eth0 ?
[05:31] <asac> pitti: or do i just need one ?
[05:31] <pitti> asac: either is fine
[06:11] <shawarma> testing.... bug 12345
[06:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 12345 in isdnutils "isdn does not work, fritz avm (pnp?)" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12345
[06:21] <ogra> BenC, did you get my question from before ? (i think your xchat crashed)
[06:35] <BenC> ogra: no, I didn't see it
[06:36] <ogra> BenC, would it be possible to ship the oss headers in the linux-headers package again, they somehow vanished recently
[06:36] <BenC> ogra: in gutsy?
[06:36] <ogra> yep
[06:36] <ogra> i have one thin client with a sis7019 soundchip
[06:37] <ogra> for these things exist no alsa drivers
[06:37] <BenC> ogra: Can you file a bug so I or someone else can look into it?
[06:37] <ogra> i have one oss driver here that works but i need to pull the oss headers out of te linux-source package
[06:37] <ogra> indeed
[06:37] <ogra> so it wasnt on purpose ?
[06:38] <BenC> ogra: Not by me, but maybe something upstream did
[06:38] <ogra> well, its in the source tarball
[06:38] <ogra> just doesnt get packaged into the headers package
[08:53] <EvanCarroll> can someone confirm a defualt ubuntu install only has that which is listed as a dependency in ubuntu-standard and ubuntu-desktop ?
[09:04] <Keybuk> EvanCarroll: no
[09:04] <Keybuk> EvanCarroll: it also has kernels, boot loaders, etc. as appropriate for your architecture
[09:05] <Kmos> Keybuk: can you look at bug 46657
[09:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 46657 in kdenetwork "Kopete gives error when you're on your own contact list" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46657
[09:29] <pitti> StevenK: what about asterisk? It's the last reverse dependency (apart from nexuiz-server, which you wanted to get synced)
[09:30] <pitti> StevenK: oh, and gambas-gb-net-curl and apt, of course
[09:32] <geser> pitti: he uploaded gambas 1.0.18-1build1 already
[09:33] <geser> or didn't the upload fix it?
[09:33] <pitti> geser: ah, then NBS is just out of date, I guess
[09:33] <pitti> hm, FTBFS on sparc and powerpc
[09:34] <pitti> ah, that needs a P-a-s change
[09:47] <Keybuk> Kmos: ?  I don't think I'm a good person to look at that bug
[09:55] <asac> pitti: if you ask someone about p-a-s change ... can you remind them about flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 as well :)
[09:55] <asac> ?
[09:55] <pitti> asac: it needs to be added there?
[09:58] <asac> amd64 ... yes
[09:59] <asac> i pinged elmo infinity and send mail .. no answer so far
[09:59] <pitti> asac: mail sent, you are in CC
[10:17] <cjwatson> EvanCarroll: it's also possible for it to have random other hardware-appropriate packages, e.g. mouseemu on Macs - and you forgot about ubuntu-minimal
[10:31] <dholbach> pitti: which mail address would you set for ubuntu-main-sponsors then?
[10:31] <pitti> dholbach: hm, we cannot recycle ubuntu-bugs@
[10:31] <pitti> it needs a new one, so we'll probably need another 'black hole' address
[10:32] <dholbach> but people who are in the team and want to have bug mails about that as they're used to?
[10:32] <dholbach> I didn't want to change the workflow for people who use the teams arleady
[10:32] <dholbach> that's why I founded the new team
[10:32] <mjg59> pitti: Hm. Looks like your laptop-mode upload reintroduced the acpi event scripts (sorry for not catching that)
[10:33] <pitti> dholbach: that's why I think we should mail the team members; we need to do that in either case
[10:34] <pitti> mjg59: uh; as I said, I could not test it, I just reviewed the merge and it looked reasonable; sorry for that
[10:34] <dholbach> pitti: I think that an announce of the new team and workflow will be just fine ;-)
[10:34] <mjg59> Ah, sorry, I thought you'd looked over it rather than just pointing me at the MoM
[10:34] <mjg59> My fault :(
[10:34] <mjg59> (Though, like I said, we should drop it - it does insanity)
[10:35] <pitti> mjg59: I did look over the patch, but since I did not exactly know what it actually does, I didn't notice that this script is a problem
[10:35] <mjg59> It handles policy inside laptop-mode
[10:36] <pitti> dholbach: right, I'm fine with mailing the old members and point out the new team, but it still feels wrong to me; your call, though
[10:37] <dholbach> pitti: I think it only makes sense to re-use ubuntu-main-sponsors and ubuntu-universe-sponsors, if we mail each and every of the team members, explaining the workflow and get a mailing list for the *-main-* team
[10:37] <geser> pitti: could you please give-back commons-io?
[10:37] <pitti> dholbach: right; but as I said, we need to mail them all anyway
[10:38] <dholbach> ok, fine with me... ... ... although it will take a while until we get that mailing list
[10:38] <pitti> geser: kicked
[10:39] <geser> pitti: thanks
[10:48] <Kmos> evand: bug 47238
[10:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 47238 in ubiquity "Bugs with time settings during installation" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/47238
[10:49] <tormod> mjg59: what laptop-mode are you talking about? laptop-mode-tools 1.34-1ubuntu1 ?
[10:50] <mjg59> Yess
[10:51] <evand> thanks Kmos
[10:55] <tormod> mjg59: I guess I am at fault, since I did the merge. But there was not mentioned in older changelogs that some events scripts were left out. Anyway, what do you think of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/laptop-mode-tools/+bug/80980/comments/6 ?
[10:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 80980 in laptop-mode-tools "power management on ipw2200 and ipw3945" [Undecided,New]
[10:56] <mjg59> This is why I want to reimplemtn it
[10:57] <cjwatson> Kmos: at least part of that bug appears to be wrong; see my comment
[10:57] <mjg59> We have something that manages policy in respones to acpi events - acpid
[10:58] <mjg59> laptop-mode-tools should control laptop-mode and nothing else
[10:58] <tormod> mjg59: do you agree with Bart, so we can do it (more like) the upstream way?
[10:59] <mjg59> tormod: No
[11:00] <tormod> mjg59: I hope you can discuss it with Bart, so we get sanity in both Ubuntu and Debian.
[11:00] <Kmos> cjwatson: ok
[11:00] <mjg59> tormod: As I said, laptop-mode-tools is the wrong place to manage policy
[11:01] <fabbione> how did system-config-cluster landed on the livecd?
[11:02] <pitti> fabbione: ??
[11:02] <pitti> fabbione: it's not in the seeds
[11:02] <pitti> and no reverse dependency of anything
[11:02] <fabbione> pitti: see the bug
[11:03] <fabbione> pitti: he might have installed it manually but i doubt
[11:03] <pitti> fabbione: well, you can install it in the live system
[11:04] <fabbione> pitti: do you have an amd64 where you can try to reproduce it? (not now.. sometime tomorrow would be fine)
[11:04] <pitti> fabbione: yes, I have
[11:04] <pitti> (my main workstation)
[11:04] <fabbione> pitti: if you have time.. would you mind ?
[11:05] <pitti> and vmware
[11:05] <fabbione> i will test i386
[11:05] <pitti> fabbione: no, that's fine; I keep the browser tab open to remind me tomorrow
[11:05] <fabbione> but tomorrow is fine
[11:05] <fabbione> thanks
[11:05] <pitti> fabbione: but the traceback is quite clear?
[11:05] <tormod> mjg59: I found your changelog note "Don't ship acpi scripts (we handle that ourselves)" from 2005... Maybe that should go in a separate patch file instead of all the handpatching.
[11:06] <fabbione> pitti: yes, but it starts on i386 normal installation here
[11:06] <pitti> fabbione: I saw quite a number of similar bugs on restricted-manager and such
[11:06] <pitti> fabbione: either we have a  pretty nasty bug in python-central, or he ran it during an upgrade or so
[11:06] <pitti> fabbione: I'll try it out tomorrow
[11:07] <fabbione> pitti: thanks
[11:07] <Kmos> doko: dpkg has a new version on debian
[11:08] <fabbione> pitti: from the menu i can't start it at all.. i think the helper should invoke gsudo or something.. and it doesn't.. from console it works fine..
[11:08] <fabbione> pitti: anyway.. tomorrow.. thanks man
[11:08] <pitti> fabbione: sleep well
[11:08] <fabbione> you too
[11:08] <cjwatson> Kmos: you realise that will be extremely common now we're past Debian import freeze?
[11:09] <cjwatson> from then to upstream version freeze, new syncs/merges can happen freely but generally only when there's some interesting reason to do so, rather than just "because it's there"
[11:10] <Kmos> cjwatson: hmm.. i think it's the time to do some merges/syncs
[11:10] <Kmos> because there are a lot to do
[11:10] <cjwatson> please re-read what I said
[11:10] <cjwatson> we are not aiming to get merges/syncs down at this point just for the sake of it
[11:10] <Kmos> yeah
[11:10] <Kmos> only for important things
[11:11] <cjwatson> right, and important changes rather than important packages
[11:11] <Kmos> things = bugs
[11:11] <Kmos> I think it'll only freeze for tribe-4
[11:11] <cjwatson> the relevant freezes are scheduled and visible on GutsyReleaseSchedule
[11:12] <cjwatson> they aren't necessarily synced to milestone releases
[11:12] <Kmos> ok :)
[11:12] <Kmos> sorry


[04:49] <Guest0988> j
[06:16] <nlsthzn> morning all
[06:32] <Kilos> morning all
[06:32] <Kilos> hi 17WAB1AYF
[07:16] <kbmonkey> morning /o
[07:17] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey
[07:24] <kbmonkey> howgoes it here. who is in da house?
[07:25] <Kilos> too early onna sunday for action
[07:30] <kbmonkey> wut really? I was up till 5am, and back in reasonable time. It is gonna snow!
[07:30] <Kilos> hehe
[07:30] <kbmonkey> I am locked and loaded for action
[07:30] <kbmonkey> with my double banana shake
[07:30] <Kilos> you been on the multivits again
[07:31] <kbmonkey> nope
[07:31] <kbmonkey> just regular naps
[07:31] <Kilos> good to see you active
[07:34] <Kilos> hi Xethron
[07:39] <kbmonkey> hello Xethron
[07:51] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn send heat man
[07:52] <nlsthzn> I did, stolen at the airport :/
[07:52] <Kilos> lol
[07:52] <nlsthzn> :0
[08:06] <kbmonkey> kekeke
[08:07] <kbmonkey> where'd he go now
[08:08] <Kilos> hehe
[08:08] <Kilos> went for dates and camel milk i spose
[08:09] <kbmonkey> camel milk? is he in the desert?
[08:17] <Kilos> UAE
[08:17] <Kilos> he been there so long they called him ahab already
[08:34] <Kilos> i hate it when peeps give links that first wanna go through facebook
[08:34] <Kilos> wb nlsthzn
[08:34] <nlsthzn> thanks uncle Kilos
[08:35] <Kilos> what ? you went for camel milk and dates for lunch?
[08:36] <nlsthzn> :)
[08:36] <Kilos> hehe
[08:36] <nlsthzn> nah, playing around with leenucks
[08:36] <nlsthzn> :p
[08:37] <Kilos> we experimented with android-x86 yesterday mazal and i
[08:37] <Kilos> neither can get it to run live cd or install
[08:37] <nlsthzn> :)
[08:50] <Kilos> http://www.techcentral.co.za/telkom-may-spin-off-copper-network/41618/
[08:50] <Kilos> what does all that actually mean
[09:05] <kbmonkey> sjoe these pears are nice
[09:05] <kbmonkey> I've been knawing them for days now
[09:05] <Kilos> hehe
[09:05] <Kilos> kbmouse
[09:06] <kbmonkey> noms
[09:06] <Kilos> hey kbmonkey have you looked at remmina
[09:07] <Kilos> super tool for remote working on win pcs
[09:07] <Kilos> i havent tried it to another ubuntu pc yet
[09:08] <kbmonkey> I am reading that telkom article now
[09:08] <kbmonkey> have you read it Kilos ?
[09:08] <Kilos> yeah
[09:09] <Kilos> maybe just another way to tunnel cash to wrong places
[09:09] <kbmonkey> Abbreviation of Special Purpose Vehicle. Sometimes referred to as a Special Purpose Entity (SPE). SPVs are entities created for a specific, limited and normally temporary purpose. They are limited companies or partnerships to which the debt of another company is transferred. By transferring its debt off its balance sheet into an SPV a company is able to isolate itself from any risk that the debt might pose
[09:09] <kbmonkey> never heard of that before
[09:10] <Kilos> read more, the uk did a similar thing
[09:10] <kbmonkey> all these acronyms are hurting my brain
[09:11] <Kilos> i have the same prob
[09:11] <Kilos> can never remember what they mean
[09:12] <Kilos> same with cars
[09:12] <kbmonkey> okay, so to surmize: telkom has some undisclosed plan involving a lot of money. nothing new there.
[09:12] <kbmonkey> ;)
[09:12] <Kilos> atv and apv and lots more
[09:12] <kbmonkey> ymmv, rofl mao
[09:14] <kbmonkey> my hair is not growing fast enough, I need it a bit longer for this haircut
[09:15] <kbmonkey> Kilos, what can make my hair grow faster? terps?
[09:15] <Kilos> hehe
[09:15] <Kilos> stuff women use
[09:15] <Kilos> id rather have no hair
[09:16] <Kilos> http://growhairguru.com/how-to-make-your-hair-grow-faster-tips/
[09:16] <kbmonkey> lol
[09:17] <kbmonkey> maybe if I massage some peanut butter in there...
[09:17] <nlsthzn> horse shampoo
[09:17] <Kilos> hahaha
[09:17] <kbmonkey> yar!
[09:17] <nlsthzn> seriously
[09:17] <Kilos> lotsa brushing
[09:17] <nlsthzn> >.>
[09:17] <kbmonkey> my biology teacher used to say she'd eat bob martins for her hair
[09:17] <Kilos> they say at least 100 strokes a day
[09:18] <nlsthzn> Main 'n Tail is what it is called
[09:18] <kbmonkey> does it have to be hair you stroke?
[09:18] <nlsthzn> >.<
[09:18] <Kilos> bob martins are better than most peeps multivits
[09:18] <kbmonkey> :P
[09:18] <Kilos> scalp man
[09:18] <Kilos> it stimulates the scalp
[09:19] <Kilos> no good stroking your leg
[09:19] <kbmonkey> just checking...
[09:20] <kbmonkey> hey nlsthzn did you ever play battle city on nes / golden dragon t.v. games?
[09:20] <nlsthzn> none of them ringing a bell (then again I never had a nes)
[09:21] <kbmonkey> well the cheapo t.v. games they sold had it too
[09:21] <kbmonkey> http://www.jamendo.com/en/track/773636/battle-city
[09:21] <kbmonkey> super tank I think they called it
[09:22] <Kilos> eish you router peeps must all be gray
[09:23] <nlsthzn> super tank sounds familiar but link is broken
[09:23] <Kilos> on direct eth cable i can remmina a win 7 pc
[09:23] <Kilos> with router in between it dont see it
[09:24] <Kilos> grrr more settings
[09:24] <kbmonkey> hu, that's weird, I listened to that 4 hours ago :p
[09:25] <kbmonkey> no way, that entire artist page has vanished in the last few hours
[09:26] <Kilos> they saw you coming
[09:26] <Kilos> hehe
[10:02] <Kilos> big bang in pta at 12pm, Munitoria buiding demolished
[10:03] <Kilos> must be lotsa dush in town centre now
[10:03] <Kilos> dust
[10:12] <kbmonkey> yesh lotsh of dush ;)
[10:12] <kbmonkey> im off for lunch
[10:12] <Kilos> hehe enjoy
[10:34] <Kilos> hi meatpc
[10:35] <meatpc> hi
[10:35] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[10:35] <meatpc> how goes it?
[10:35] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[10:36] <meatpc> also good
[10:38] <meatpc> haven't used IRC in quite some time
[10:38] <Kilos> why?
[10:38] <meatpc> all the people i've been speaking to been on im i guess...
[10:39] <Kilos> hehe
[10:39] <Kilos> what OS do you use?
[10:40] <meatpc> windows main... i use ubuntu on a dialy basis though
[10:40] <meatpc> through ssh
[10:40] <Kilos> ah
[10:41] <meatpc> web dev...
[10:41] <Squirm> anyone have a good application that I can use to reduce the quality of an HD clip?
[10:42] <meatpc> what about u? use ubuntu desktop?
[10:42] <Kilos> yip 12.04 unity and kde
[10:42] <meatpc> i used desktop for about a year, when i didnt cut up designs....
[10:45] <Kilos> i'm the greeter bot here, dont know enough about the IT world to do much more
[10:46] <Squirm> and hello meatpc, Kilos
[10:46] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[10:47] <Kilos> youre plane fixed?
[10:47] <meatpc> hi
[10:50] <Squirm> Kilos: well, I got it in the air with the wings I used to crash into a tree
[10:50] <Squirm> tape and apoxy helped
[10:50] <Kilos> hehe
[10:50] <Squirm> and then it flew well, so I stuck a GoPro onto the top
[10:50] <Squirm> hence my question: .:Squirm:. anyone have a good application that I can use to reduce the quality of an HD clip?
[10:50] <Squirm> going to try WinFF
[10:50] <meatpc> sounds kewl, gonna put it on youtube?
[10:50] <Squirm> used it before but came out looking shocking
[10:50] <Kilos> whats a HD clip?
[10:50] <Squirm> meatpc: indeed
[10:50] <Squirm> Kilos: High Definition
[10:51] <Squirm> the GoPro takes HD videos
[10:51] <Kilos> an clip?
[10:51] <Squirm> clip = short video?
[10:51] <meatpc> lol
[10:51] <Squirm> piece of a video
[10:51] <Kilos> lol ok
[10:51] <Squirm> it's 5min, so not that long. so I used the word clip
[10:52] <Kilos> what does google tell you
[10:53] <meatpc> das google
[10:57] <Squirm> I know google works
[10:57] <Kilos> meatpc, where are you?
[10:57] <Squirm> but I like finding peoples' preferences
[10:57] <Kilos> i only find stuff to shorten vids
[10:57] <meatpc> the east rand
[10:58] <meatpc> don't worry, not boksburg, haha
[10:58] <Kilos> whats in boxburg?
[10:59] <Squirm> Kilos: surely a guy from pta has head bad things about boksburg?
[10:59] <meatpc> lol, nm silly joke
[10:59] <Kilos> nope Squirm not me anyway
[11:00] <meatpc> i take it you're from pta then...
[11:00] <Squirm> hmm
[11:00] <Squirm> even I hear... stories
[11:00] <Kilos> maybe i saw something if it was on the idiot box news but dont remember unimportant stuff
[11:00] <meatpc> i'm actually in kempton park... heard anything about here?
[11:01] <Kilos> yeah im in pta
[11:01] <Kilos> used to race small bikes near kemton
[11:01] <Kilos> 40 years ago
[11:02] <meatpc> lol, that is rather a long time back
[11:02] <Kilos> lol yea
[11:02] <Kilos> isando i think it was called
[11:02] <meatpc> the industrial area....
[11:03] <Kilos> in those days it was bush and a race track for bikes and gocarts
[11:03] <meatpc> awesome
[11:04] <meatpc> so is this just a channel for ubuntu fans or what?
[11:04] <meatpc> judging by the topic, it seems to be a club?
[11:04] <Kilos> all linux help channel
[11:04] <Kilos> mainly ubuntu though
[11:05] <meatpc> ok
[11:05] <Kilos> its the ZA community channel
[11:05] <meatpc> i just gave one of my friends an ubuntu iso and wubi, he gonna try it out for the first time
[11:05] <Kilos> even the odd bit of ms help sneaks in
[11:05] <meatpc> lol
[11:06] <Kilos> but  we are all friends here so bitsa family news and other stuff gets in too
[11:06] <Kilos> like crashed planes
[11:06] <meatpc> alright, off to Game to look for one of those nice pairs of braai tongs! will come chat later!
[11:07] <Kilos> cool we here most of the time
[11:07] <meatpc> parting chan so i dont spam joins and parts, ADSL acting up...
[11:15] <Squirm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgDHDwAuFjY
[12:32] <kbmonkey> hoe gaan dit?
[12:32] <Kilos> ons lewe nog en jy?
[12:34] <kbmonkey> ja gut en tag
[12:34] <kbmonkey> ich bin aush monkey
[12:34] <Kilos> haha you learning german too
[12:35] <kbmonkey> ha ha
[13:08] <Kilos> wbb need to reboot
[13:39] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[13:39]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[13:43] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[13:47] <inetpro> good afternoon
[13:48] <inetpro> what do you recommend for video editing on (K)Ubuntu?
[13:48] <inetpro> superfly: ^^
[13:49] <tumbleweed> inetpro: kdenlive is supposed to be good
[13:49] <inetpro> tumbleweed: thanks
[13:49]  * tumbleweed edits video with scripts, so I'm probably not the best judge of video editors :P
[13:50]  * inetpro wants to cut out a piece of video of Munitoria going up in smoke
[13:50] <tumbleweed> inetpro: https://lwn.net/Articles/516662/
[13:51] <inetpro> tumbleweed: how do you do in with a script?
[13:52]  * inetpro busy downloading and installing kdenlive
[13:53] <tumbleweed> inetpro: mencoder. or for the more advanced things: gstreamer
[13:53] <inetpro> hmm... sounds interesting
[13:53] <tumbleweed> my goal is usually to spend as little time on it as possible
[13:54] <tumbleweed> so, I'll do top-and-tail cutting, add a still title, and encode
[14:02] <kbmonkey> back.
[14:03] <kbmonkey> every so often the eskom bill never arrives and then they threaten to cut my power. lol.
[14:03] <kbmonkey> lucky for me they are also slack in cutting off when they claim ;)
[14:05] <inetpro> hmm...
[14:05] <inetpro> kdenlive doesn't open my mp4 files from the Note II
[14:06] <kbmonkey> for basic cutting avidemux is okay.
[14:06] <kbmonkey> perhaps convert the mp4 to a workable format first too.
[14:06] <tumbleweed> inetpro: maybe try pitivi? it uses gstreamer, so it should support just about everything
[14:07] <tumbleweed> or yes, convert the file to a more standard editing format
[14:07] <inetpro> installed kino and now importing to PAL format
[14:07] <inetpro> whatever that is
[14:08] <kbmonkey> most of these tools use ffmpeg or mencoder in the backend, if those cant handle mp4 then maybe you need the relevant gstreamer package installed
[14:09] <tumbleweed> ffmpeg doesn't use gstreamer, it's the other way around
[14:09] <kbmonkey> cool
[14:24] <Kilos> nlsthzn, what a game
[14:25] <Kilos> last night that is
[14:29] <nlsthzn> yup
[14:29] <nlsthzn> to close :p
[14:29] <Kilos> very tense
[14:34] <inetpro> tumbleweed, kbmonkey: actually what I was trying to do is so very simple with VLC itself
[14:34] <inetpro> How to Use VLC As a Video Cutting Tool http://www.guidingtech.com/8802/use-vlc-as-video-cuting-tool/
[14:35] <kbmonkey> nice find inetpro
[14:36] <inetpro> still sitting with a 23MB file to upload for only 11 seconds of video
[14:37] <inetpro> still better than my original 180MB
[14:37] <inetpro> gonna take a while to upload
[14:38] <nlsthzn> Kilos, we should have lost but I am glad we made it...
[14:38] <Kilos> grrrr
[14:39] <Kilos> methinks the sharks were actually the better team on the day just lambie let us down
[14:39] <inetpro> wb Kilos
[14:39] <Kilos> he's had 2 bad kicking games
[14:39] <Kilos> hi inetpro
[14:39] <Kilos> ty inetpro
[14:40] <nlsthzn> sharks where better on the night
[15:02] <superfly> *were
[15:12] <inetpro> and I just posted my first video on YouTube
[15:23] <Kilos> hehe
[15:24] <Kilos> video of what inetpro ?
[15:24] <Kilos> hi superfly
[15:24] <superfly> hi Kilos
[15:25] <inetpro> Kilos: an awesome 12 seconds of Munitoria going down http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx2RJsQLeqs
[15:25] <Kilos> did you watch it inetpro ?
[15:25] <Kilos> we just heard the bangs
[15:25] <inetpro> yep and the kid behind me said it all in the video
[15:26] <Kilos> sounded like a few in sequence
[15:26] <inetpro> was actually quite amazing
[15:26] <inetpro> but wow, so quick and it was all finished
[15:26] <Kilos> it will most likely be on the idiot box news tonight
[15:26] <inetpro> probably yes
[15:26] <Kilos> that building has been there for years
[15:27] <Kilos> before i left pta if im not mistaken
[15:27] <inetpro> and I was looking out on it for many years
[15:27] <Kilos> ah
[15:28] <Kilos> my dad worked for the pta city council so it was his head office
[15:28] <inetpro> that was actually an amazing building back in the days
[15:29] <Kilos> yeah
[15:29] <Kilos> when i was young and sexy, now just sexy
[15:30] <inetpro> they were very efficient back in the days before we had email
[15:30] <Kilos> lol ya
[15:30] <Kilos> post never got lost
[15:31] <inetpro> just insert a letter in a pipe for signature and wait for it to come back
[15:32] <inetpro> a new water and lights account was arranged within minutes
[15:33] <inetpro> oh and I remember now I think we spoke about the pneumatic tube system that they used before
[15:34] <Kilos> band broek julle was so ver weg
[15:36] <Kilos> hopefully idiot box reporters were closer
[15:36] <inetpro> couldn't get closer
[15:36] <Kilos> did they evacuate all the surrounding buildings
[15:37] <inetpro> obviously
[15:37] <Kilos> most likely the demo okes will have vids for their records
[15:37] <inetpro> I thought that we would see better from the top of the hill but in hind sight we should have chosen the Zoo
[15:38] <inetpro> but it was awesome nevertheless
[15:38] <Kilos> poor animals musta skrikked
[15:39] <Kilos> when munitoria was built that tall building to the left wasnt there
[15:39] <inetpro> they catered for them as well
[15:39] <Kilos> ear plugs?
[15:39] <Kilos> thats dicey putting ear plugs in a lions ears
[15:40] <inetpro> :-)
[15:40] <Kilos> here nice kitty come get your earplugs fitted
[15:41] <inetpro> no man, but I read about them preparing for teh animals
[15:41] <inetpro> the*
[15:41] <Kilos> maybe drugged them all
[15:42] <inetpro> but it really was just about 3 seconds
[15:42] <Kilos> i think the worst affected woulda been all the birds
[15:42] <Kilos> yeah fell quick
[15:42] <Kilos> end of an era
[15:43] <inetpro> some people even missed the whole thing
[15:44] <Kilos> quite an art demolihing buildings like that
[15:44] <Kilos> demolishing
[15:44] <inetpro> I was a bit disappointed that they didn't have some kind of a countdown to warn us before it went down
[15:45] <Kilos> radio news said 12pm
[15:45] <inetpro> it wasn't exactly at 12:00
[15:45] <Kilos> ah
[15:47] <inetpro> then again, I think I may the wrong on that
[15:48] <inetpro> just looked on the timestamps of my photos and I see they must have been right on time
[15:48] <Kilos> lol i didnt check time we were just listening
[15:48] <inetpro> anyway, was fun
[16:09] <inetpro> Kilos: het hulle al gewys op die kassie?
[16:09] <Kilos> eish ek vergeet
[16:09] <inetpro> hmm... ek ook
[16:09] <Kilos> sal gou hoor hoe laat is die nuus
[16:09] <inetpro> sal maar 7:00 probeer onthou om te kyk
[16:10] <Kilos> 7nm of tv 3
[16:11] <Kilos> ek sal myne los daarop dan sal ek jou ping
[16:11] <inetpro> Kilos: ek laaik hierdie ene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVT36HMkExM
[16:12] <Kilos> almal te ver
[16:13] <Kilos> ek wet jou daar was kameras naby geplaas
[16:13] <Kilos> op sy tyd was dit n meneer gebou nou was dit tussen die grotes verskuil
[16:14] <Squirm> nuvolari: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32f87OADuuw - GoPro Attached
[16:18] <Kilos> yo Cantide
[16:18] <Cantide> hello :)
[16:26] <Kilos> SilverCode, you still happy
[16:33] <inetpro> Kilos: dit is die kommentaar in die agtergrond wat vir my klassiek Suid Afrikaans was op daardie video
[16:33] <Kilos> lol ya
[16:33] <inetpro> en natuurlik ook 'n aanduiding van hoe vinnig dit verby was
[16:34] <Kilos> jare se werk in secondes weg
[16:34] <inetpro> was bietjie vêr van daar om enigiets te sien
[16:35] <Kilos> dit sal goed wees as een van die nuus so iets kan uithaal
[16:35] <inetpro> ek is nogals verbaas hoeveel mense skielik kom kyk het
[16:36] <Kilos> dit was op die radio in die oggend, sis het my 11.45 laat weet
[16:36] <Kilos> sus
[16:37] <inetpro> was nogal 'n belewenis om te sien hoe die mense sukkel om weg te kom by die unie geboue, karre het orals gestaan
[16:38] <inetpro> sommiges het nog lekker piekniek gehou terwyl ander wou ry
[16:40] <Kilos> hehe
[16:40] <Kilos> http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1484525
[16:40] <Kilos> dis hoe dit gelyk het
[16:42] <inetpro> yep, het ook daai ene gesien, maar nou wonder ek hoe die nuwe ene gaan lyk
[16:42] <Kilos> ons sal n rukkie moet wag
[16:43] <Kilos> rome wasnt built inna day
[16:44] <Kilos> my pa het altyd gese dis omdat hy nie in beheer was daar nie
[16:44] <Kilos> ai!
[16:45] <inetpro> ten minste gebeur dinge nou weer
[16:46] <inetpro> konstruksie bring werks geleenthede
[16:46] <Kilos> het jy daar naby gewerk?
[16:46] <inetpro> net langsaan
[16:46] <Kilos> a
[16:46] <inetpro> net jammer dat baie van die geld buiteland toe gaan
[16:48] <Kilos> maar miskien beter
[16:48] <inetpro> elke dag vir seker die laaste tien jaar uitgekyk op daai verbrande gebou
[16:48] <Kilos> eish
[16:48] <inetpro> was nie 'n mooi beeld nie
[16:49] <Kilos> ek wonder wat het eintlik bebeur daar op daai brand te stig
[16:49] <Kilos> gebeur
[16:49] <inetpro> ja ek sal baie graag ook wil weet
[16:49] <Kilos> sukke geboue brand nie sommer nie
[16:50] <Kilos> sulke
[16:50] <Kilos> daai goed
[16:51] <Kilos> werk al jou nuwe goed nou inetpro ?
[16:51] <Kilos> maybe they put fibre to all offices in the new building
[16:52] <inetpro> gaan nog 'n rukkie vat voor ons ten volle normaal loop maar ons loop heel mooi
[16:52] <Kilos> sjoe baie werk ne
[16:53] <inetpro> yep, maar die grootste probleem is dat mens iewers tyd moet vind om normale werk ook te doen
[16:54] <Kilos> ya dis die ding
[16:54] <inetpro> moeilik om te werk tusse allerhande kontrakteurs wat nog rondskarrel om elke laaste klein detail af te handel
[16:55] <Kilos> ai!
[16:55]  * inetpro gaan gou voor die kassie inskuif en dan eet
[16:56] <Kilos> is jou idioot box aan inetpro ? 5 minute voor nuus op 3
[16:56] <Kilos> ok
[17:16] <Kilos> sjoe so vinnig weg
[18:05] <Kilos> hi Georgl roryy
[18:06] <roryy> hey kilos
[18:06] <roryy> how are you?
[18:06] <Georgl> hi Kilos
[18:06] <Kilos> good ty and you roryy
[18:07] <roryy> good ta
[18:08] <Kilos> inetpro, do you guys know meatpc
[18:24] <Kilos> hi smile4ever
[18:25] <smile4ever> Hi Kilos :D
[18:25] <Kilos> :D
[18:25] <Kilos> hehe
[18:28] <smile4ever> :D
[18:34] <smile4ever> See you :D
[18:34] <smile4ever> good night
[18:34] <Kilos> sleep tight smile4ever
[18:34] <smile4ever> thanks :)
[18:42] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight


[21:55] <arraybolt3> Everything going as planned with the flavor sync meeting? I'm currently sitting at the "Asking to be let in" screen. (Trying to show up a few minutes early since early is better than late :P)
[21:57] <arraybolt3> Ah, here it goes.
 "Everything going as planned with..." <- All good and as planned. You were first in the queue to join :)


[15:58] <PaulW2U> might not be around too much this weekend so made an early start on summaries
[15:59] <PaulW2U> leaving 20+ for others though :)
[17:13] <pleia2> I'll do my best at rounding up the troops, enjoy your weekend :)
[18:48]  * ahoneybun did 3 so far
[22:51] <pleia2> thanks ahoneybun
[22:51] <pleia2> sent off the email to the rest of the summary writers


[10:42] <KBar> Looks like we got a troll in #ubuntu. Need some action.
[11:46] <KBar> they're back ahain
[11:46] <KBar> again
[11:49] <KBar> suspect neutralized. thank you officer JackFrost :)
[11:50] <JackFrost> ...That's a very strange way to put that.  I thought I was the janitor.
[11:53] <KBar> JackFrost sorry. my bad


[02:02] <SomeGuyFromTheIn> Don't know if anyone will be able to help with this, but I'm trying to install Xubuntu 7.10 on an old Sony Laptop. Its an old P2 366mhz with 192mbs of Ram. It has enough to install xubuntu, but every time I see the Xubuntu loading screen, it'll quickly change to a command prompt "BusyBox". Is my computer too old to even run this linux version?
[02:03] <Freddy2> http://phpfi.com/285105 <- i'm using this as .vnc/xstartup file, but almost every time the execution only arrives to panel (no desktop or azureus launched), even adding a "sleep 100" at the end (assuming this would be a problem)
[02:03] <Freddy2> someone knows what's going on? (xubuntu with vnc4server)
[02:05] <Freddy2> i'm running vnc4server at startup (init.d)
[02:10] <Freddy2> maybe i could add "desktop" and "azureus" to the list of autorun, assuming this point is controlled by panel.. i'll try
[02:20] <aro> !torrent
[02:20] <ubotu> Torrent clients: Transmission (GTK and terminal-based), Deluge-Torrent, Freeloader, BitStormLite, BitTornado-GUI (GTK), KTorrent (KDE), QTorrent (Qt), Azureus (Java), TorrentFlux (web-based), bittornado, rTorrent, cTorrent, bittorrent, aria2 (terminal-based) - FAQ: http://www.bittorrent.com/FAQ.html - See also !P2P
[02:20] <aro> argh was looking for an xubuntu 7.10 torrent link
[09:27] <neur1> what's the best bet, xubuntu or ubuntu with packages?
[09:50] <bassboi> anyone aliv
[09:50] <bassboi> e
[09:50] <stone[no]> Merry Christmas!
[09:51] <bassboi> Merry Christmas you too!
[09:51] <bassboi> did you give santa some cookies?
[09:51] <stone[no]> Actually, no :)
[09:51] <bassboi> I would've ate them myself
[11:01] <Ralph_> hi!
[11:01] <Ralph_> i try to install xubuntu 7.10. but it always hang up at 77%
[11:02] <Ralph_> how can i install it?
[11:02] <neur1> did you check your install cd's integrity?
[11:03] <Ralph_> yes I burned it 2 times
[11:03] <Ralph_> and it always hang up at 77%
[11:03] <neur1> did you try the alternate cd?
[11:03] <Ralph_> it's the alternate cd -.-
[11:05] <neur1> what are you using to burn them kb3?
[11:05] <Ralph_> no i burned it under windows with cdburnerxp
[11:05] <Ralph_> when i change to the console i see it hangs at the package installation-report
[11:06] <neur1> youre doing this all hardwired?
[11:06] <neur1> to internet
[11:07] <Ralph_> no because i have only wlan connection and i have to install the driver
[11:08] <neur1> you can't access a hardwire?
[11:09] <Ralph_> no -.-
[11:09] <Ralph_> mhm i will trie an older version
[11:09] <Ralph_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=511944
[11:09] <Ralph_> i just found this
[14:45] <nick4> I am running Xubuntu 7.04. I am using getdeb.net to find .deb's but some packages are not available for my version of the distro, they require Gutsy. What will happen if I go ahead and install them on Edgy?
[14:51] <portkatterno> I have Xubuntu 7.10 on a 350 Mhz Pentium2 and I must say I am impressed. A nearly 10 years old machine and Opera and sylpheed nearly fly. But somtimes, not very often, CPU load goes up to 100 % and the only remedy is torestart X. Is this a known bug or is it something with my setup?
[14:53] <TheSheep> portkatterno: what graphics card?
[14:54] <portkatterno> Some old Matrox with 8 mb memory. Could be Millenium II.
[14:54] <TheSheep> hmm.. I don't recall anything special about that card drivers :/
[14:55] <TheSheep> portkatterno: most ofte such problems are with graphic drivers
[14:55] <TheSheep> portkatterno: did you notice any specific thing when it hangs?
[14:58] <portkatterno> Not really. Maybe it is prone to do so more when the load is high anyhow. The top command shows that it is Xorg that takes te resources but if I remember correctly also som xfce-application has ben involved.
[14:59] <TheSheep> portkatterno: when it happens next time, try running 'strace -p <PID of the process> in a text console to see what it does
[14:59] <TheSheep> (note: never strace X from inside of itself)
[15:02] <portkatterno> TheSheep: Thank you very much for the advise! I'll do that and report back here.
[15:04] <TheSheep> portkatterno: probably better redirect that strace to some file
[15:07] <portkatterno> OK.
[15:12] <Marco_Detto_Buff> Ciao amici di #xubuntu
[16:08] <abcdefg> does anyone know how to point totem to a codec directory?  I got the essential package for mplayer and extracted to /usr/lib/codecs and modified the totem conf file in gnome2, but still doesn't work.
[16:16] <gpx> How much work would it be to setup an install over a crossover cat5 cable from one laptop to another for xubuntu =D? What would be required etc =D? Yes fear the lack of burnable media in my house
[16:18] <TheSheep> !install | gpx
[16:18] <ubotu> gpx: Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - Don't want to use a CD? Try http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate
[16:25] <gpx> ¨hmm unetbootin seems to be the easiest way
[16:25] <gpx> since i already have the 7.10 iso on the box
[16:26] <TheSheep> gpx: it worked for me pretty nice
[16:26] <gpx> i do though want to completely format the partition and remove windows
[16:26] <gpx> will it do that?
[16:27] <TheSheep> you won't be able to touch the partition on which the iso lies
[16:27] <gpx> that is a bit sad
[16:27] <gpx> maybe netboot is the way to go then
[16:27] <TheSheep> you probably need to do it in two steps
[16:27] <Baversjo> Hi, I have just installed Ubuntu server 7.10 and after installation i used the command "apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". I configurated the x-server using "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and i was able to start Xubuntu and login. But i could not se the "start-menu", only the desktop with some folders. Do i need to download the "start-menu" or something? I have tried to change the resolution...
[16:27] <Baversjo> ...and make the sceen smaler in the monitors own settings. I cant see any menu :(
[16:28] <TheSheep> Baversjo: try pressing 'alt+f2' and typing 'xfce4-panel'
[16:29] <Baversjo> ok, i will try that later today. But when i used apt-get install xubuntu-desktop did i get the "gusty gibbon" one?
[16:29] <Baversjo> or a later version
[16:29] <TheSheep> Baversjo: you got the same version as the server you installed
[16:30] <Baversjo> I downloaded 7.1 today and  burned it to disk, all fresh :P
[16:30] <Baversjo> thank you TheSheep :P
[16:30] <TheSheep> Baversjo: panel might sometimes not startup properly on machines with low ram, it's a known bug, but it will work fine once started manually
[16:30] <Baversjo> Ye i have low ram, 370 or something :P
[16:31] <TheSheep> then it might be something else
[16:32] <Baversjo> Well, i will hope it is a bug :P
[16:32] <Baversjo> thank you :D
[16:47] <gpx> The grub method for netboot install on the wikipage, I dont quite see where you specify the ISO/box to install form or am i missing things
[16:48] <TheSheep> gpx: it takes it from the DHCP server
[16:49] <TheSheep> gpx: basically, the computer sends a broadcast when it boots, and takes the image from the computer that responds to that broadcast
[16:50] <XwarlokX82> Anybody know how to enable the foreward/back buttons on a 5 button intellimouse?
[16:50] <TheSheep> XwarlokX82: you need to use the evdev driver instead of the 'mouse' one
[16:51] <TheSheep> XwarlokX82: google for your mouse model name
[16:51] <TheSheep> XwarlokX82: and 'linux' or 'ubuntu'
[16:51] <TheSheep> XwarlokX82: there should be howtos
[16:52] <gpx> TheSheep the laptops are connected via a crossover cat5 cable
[16:52] <gpx> so there is no DHCP nor PXE setup =D
[16:53] <TheSheep> gpx: that's normal network
[16:54] <TheSheep> gpx: just set up a dhcp server on your box, it should be described in the howto
[16:54] <gpx> guess ill have to download and install tftp and dhcp server
[16:54] <TheSheep> yes, it's necessary for netboot
[17:32] <gpxvp> How can I get the ubuntu/xubuntu netboot to use an .ISO image or a folder on the PXE Server to install from instead of the internet?
[19:08] <gpxvp> Need some more help getting a netinstall of ubuntu going! =) Gotten PXE up, gotten the install running, setup Apache with the Xubuntu 7.10 image unpacked, try pointing to it but it says it's not a valid Mirror or is missing a releases file
[19:09] <TheSheep> gpxvp: it wants a repository, not an image
[19:10] <gpxvp> i have unpacked the image
[19:11] <gpxvp> suffice to say that doesn't seem to be sufficient
[19:13] <gpxvp> so i need some releases file or something I suppose? or do i need a different treestructure or what?
[19:17] <TheSheep> I have no idea, never tried with the netboot
[19:17] <TheSheep> f you have some usb disk or a thumbdrive, you can install from that
[19:18] <gpxvp> nope
[19:18] <gpxvp> and i dont have any CD-RW laying about either
[19:21] <scizzo-> it does not have internet access at all?
[19:22] <gpxvp> the laptop i have setup DHCP and using as a PXE server does have inet access
[19:22] <gpxvp> via a shoddy wireless
[19:23] <TheSheep> gpxvp: you can set it up as a router for the other box
[19:23] <gpxvp> and going laptop -> pxe -> laptop -> wireless -> router -> internet
[19:23] <gpxvp> is not something i want to do
[19:23] <gpxvp> especially since setting up ICS on the first laptop
[19:23] <gpxvp> kills the TFTp32 DHCP server
[19:23] <gpxvp> since ICS sets up it's own lite dhcp
[19:25] <TheSheep> ics?
[19:25] <gpxvp> internet connection sharing
[19:25] <gpxvp> the PXE Server is a windows XP machine
[19:26] <gpxvp> so the easiest way is for me to setup a working mirror on my Apacheserver on the box
[19:26] <gpxvp> which i have no idea how to do
[19:29] <TheSheep> gpxvp: I would just put the iso on the hdd of that box and do the install in two steps, first install system on one partitin and then delete the partition with the image and make it a /home partition
[19:30] <gpxvp> how do i get to install any sort of system on it?
[19:31] <TheSheep> gpxvp: right now it has a windows and a linux partition, with a working linux, right?
[19:50] <gpxvp> no
[19:50] <gpxvp> it doesnt
[19:50] <gpxvp> it has a virtual linux shell
[19:52] <slow-motion> hi
[19:52] <gpxvp> oh well
[19:52] <gpxvp> finally managed to get a hold of some CD-R disks
[19:52] <gpxvp> so now i might aswell burn a livecd
[19:59] <scizzo-> anyone using f-spot btw? want to ask if it breaks for others as well when trying to open images
[20:08] <neur1> wbar, how do i launch it?
[20:25] <scizzo-> neur1: wbar?
[20:28] <neur1> a launcher
[20:29] <scizzo-> is it bwbar you are thinking about?
[20:29] <scizzo-> or awn?
[20:30] <neur1> dunno , think it's called wbar
[20:31] <neur1> here : http://code.google.com/p/wbar/
[20:36] <scizzo-> wbar -help
[20:36] <scizzo-> the command seems to be wbar
[20:36] <scizzo-> if you have the deb file installed
[20:36] <scizzo-> or simular
[20:36] <scizzo-> if the command does not exist then: sudo ldconfig && sudo updatedb
[20:36] <scizzo-> and try again
[20:37] <neur1> k
[21:34] <gpxvp> Ok I must be captain useless wen it comes to this... Burned the xubuntu 7.10 image, booted with it, cose option 1 (Start or install xubuntu) and it shows a sliding bar for a while, then just boots inn? Id like to format and install it tbh =D
[21:36] <gpxvp> so what am i doing wrong here oO
[21:37] <gpxvp> oh i need to install it further from after booting, i see
[21:39] <neur1> how do i refresh the screen (background) in the terminal?
[21:43] <Catoptromancy> clear?
[21:45] <neur1> i mean . . . the desktop background using the terminal, that clear is usefull too tho thank you
[21:50] <scizzo-> neur1: should update it self after applying the changes
[21:50] <scizzo-> neur1: might need to restart the terminal
[21:52] <neur1> o.k.


[12:59] <Andy80> hi all
[13:36] <fredo> didrocks: Do you know who the original author of /usr/share/unity/4/lens-nav-people.svg is?
[13:37] <didrocks> fredo: I would say JohnLea's team
[13:37] <fredo> I’d like to use it in a project and want to include credits for the original work.
[13:37] <didrocks> probably Rosie
[13:37] <didrocks> let's wait for John's input :)
[13:37] <fredo> didrocks: Okay. :-) Thanks.
[13:38] <didrocks> yw ;)
[13:51] <JohnLea> fredo, didrocks; yes Rosie is the original designer, her full name is "Xi Zhu"
[13:52] <fredo> JohnLea: Okay, thanks. I didn’t find her in /usr/share/doc/unity-common/copyright though.
[13:53] <fredo> JohnLea: I’ll add her as author and Canonical as copyright holder, is that okay?
[13:53] <JohnLea> fredo; perfect, thx!
[14:16] <ockham_> hi, anyone feel like reviewing http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/unity-lens-bliss ?
[17:24] <API> lamalex, did you see the comments that I added to
[17:24] <API> https://code.launchpad.net/~apinheiro/unity/a11y-improve-window-event-emission/+merge/79290
[17:24] <API> ?
[17:24] <API> lamalex, btw, hi ;)
[23:09] <ashams> Hi guys
[23:09] <ashams> Is this bug related to Unity?
[23:09] <ashams> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/873482
[23:09] <ashams> see comment 49: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/873482/comments/49
[23:59] <ashams> cdbs, you know if this bug in Unity or not? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/873482