[00:01] <Smilex> I tried the lowlatency kernel, but it didn't solve my issues, now I want to revert. How do I do that?
[00:03] <TJ-> Smilex: what issues were you trying to solve?
[00:04] <Smilex> TJ-: "Monitoring" I think it's called. Tried to play with some plugins, without latency
[00:04] <TJ-> Smilex: the -lowlatency or -generic kernels can be installed alongside each other, and grub will list them in the boot menu. Removing the -lowlatency package(s) is sufficient
[00:04] <TJ-> Smilex: is that audio related?
[00:04] <Smilex> TJ-: Thanks and yes
[00:06] <TJ-> Smilex: Of course, if you're removing -lowlatency kernel packages make sure the system has the -generic packages installed first... if the system suffers a power-failure with no kernel packages installed it will be 'difficult'
[00:33] <ussher_> Thanks TJ, I've got the monitors working again.  I think when the update happened it updated the nvidia drivers to the newest version which was not compatible with the older of the 2 cards.  I couldn't get NOVEAU working, so reverted the nvidia drivers and im good again.  Thanks for your help.
[00:34] <TJ-> ussher_: That's a pain! My laptop  has to use the legacy 340.76 driver because the internal, and external, GPUs are no longer supported in the 'current' releases
[00:36] <ussher_> my older card needs the 304 drivers.  For me the pain point is that twinview went away somewhere so each screen needs its own x server, before I only needed 2 x servers, now 4 so its a bit slow at times.
[00:36] <ussher_> but they all work, so hey.
[00:39] <TJ-> I work over 4 X screens with KDE.
[00:39] <ussher_> you dont have any issues with stickyness when moving windows around or stickeyness when scrolling long pages?
[07:54] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:57] <DarkShadow> Hi I am installing Kubuntu 15.04 and I want to make sure i get the catalyst control panel and driver installed. The driver manager is asking which driver to use.  Is there a preferred choice? Should I also click on the "using Processor microcode firmware" radio button? Thanks.
[07:57] <DarkShadow> My video card is a Radeon HD5770
[07:59] <lordievader> DarkShadow: The radeon driver doesn't cut it for you? And yes I would check the CPU microcode checkbox.
[08:04] <DarkShadow> lordievader: I have Kubuntu installed and am doing my first update. When I did driver manager came up asking which driver to use 'fglrx' or xorg-video-ati.. which of those should I use? I feel like I might want 'fglrx-update'.
[08:05] <DarkShadow> 'xserver-xorg-video-ati' is being recommened.
[08:06] <lordievader> That is the closed source one, the xorg-video-ati should already be installed.
[08:06] <lordievader> DarkShadow: Could you pastebin the output of 'lspci -k|grep -A2 VGA'?
[08:06] <lordievader> !paste | DarkShadow
[08:07] <DarkShadow> will do.. may take a few.
[08:16] <DarkShadow> By the way. Done with Windows and now live in Linux. Win10 privacy issues ended it for me.
[09:54] <anabain> which is the best gui tool for hardware monitoring?
[09:57] <soee> not usre, but in Plasma there are plasmoids to monitor cpus, hdd, ram etc.
[09:58] <DarkShadow> aka - widgets
[10:25] <anabain> ok, I'll check, thanks
[10:28] <lordievader> anabain: Check out ksysguard.
[10:29] <anabain> TJ, lordievader, do you remember yesterday, about the "failing" drive (I changed my nick) ? I'm not sure it's failing. Seagates tend to report SMART Raw_Read_Error_Rate, but as long as they don't outnumber Hardware_ECC_Recovered things are ok.
[10:30] <lordievader> Still wouldn't trust it...
[10:30] <TJ-> anabain: Something certainly seemed incorrect on that system. If the drive isn't failing then there's a controller or firmware/BIOS issue
[10:30] <anabain> And another thing: these figures have gone down!!!
[10:31] <lordievader> ?
[10:31] <lordievader> What sorcery is this?
[10:32] <TJ-> anabain: If it's a seagate drive did you use their drive test program. That's the authoritative guide to drive health (their public SMART values may not tell the entire story, nor be in line with SMART expectations)
[10:33] <anabain> TJ-, could it be the controller? Last week I lost another identical hdd on this system... I was able to do the backup, fortunately
[10:33] <anabain> No, I haven't tried SeaTools on those drives...
[10:35] <DarkShadow> lordievader: The driver-manager was asking to use the proprietary video driver. I did and is working. Love Kubuntu + plasma 5 :D
[10:36] <lordievader> DarkShadow: Good to hear :D
[10:36] <anabain> TJ-, did you have a look at this yesterday? From dmesg: pastebin.com/aQmU30q3
[10:37] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:37] <anabain> hi, BluesKaj
[10:37] <TJ-> anabain: Is the controller interface in firmware set to AHCI mode?
[10:37] <BluesKaj> hi anabain
[10:37] <DarkShadow> Do I need dependencies to run 32 bit executables? With Kubuntu?
[10:38] <lordievader> DarkShadow: You should be able to run them just fine.
[10:38] <DarkShadow> K Thanks! :)
[10:38] <anabain> TJ-, I don't know. Is there any way to know without rebooting? Right now the backup is ongoing...
[10:39]  * DarkShadow in love with Kubuntu :)
[10:39] <TJ-> anabain: Yes: "grep -i ahci /var/log/dmesg"
[10:40] <TJ-> DarkShadow: Usually it'll need multi-arch libraries enabling. Check with "dpkg --print-foreign-architectures" - you will need to see "i386" to have 32-bit package support
[10:41] <anabain> TJ-, it seems yes:  pastebin.com/ueHN70m2
[10:42] <DarkShadow> TG: Will do. I am developing an MMO and my game did not run and is 32 bit. So I have installed those libs before.
[10:47] <BluesKaj> interesting how a lot of software/games are still 32 bit. It must be costly to convert them to 64
[10:48] <DarkShadow> more like dev tools catching up in my case
[10:49] <anabain> TJ-, anything to worry about?
[10:49] <BluesKaj> Wife plays LOTRO  a relatively new game, but iwas dev'd in 32 bit
[10:51] <TJ-> anabain: nothing obvious... but you said yesterday that system has had issues for a while, but you didn't say what kind of issues. But if it has a history then my first aim would be to identify what those are caused by and how to fix or woraround them
[10:53] <DarkShadow> TJ: If you have a link on installing multi-arch libs on Kubuntu 15.04 let me know ;)
[10:56] <anabain> TJ-, the whole story: I upgraded from 14.10 to 15.04. Everything seemed fine, but in one reboot I had problems: first failing drive. I backed up and disconnected the hdd, but kept having issues. I found that if I didn't delete the fstab entry for this hdd the system would keep complaining. OK, I deleted that. Another reboot and everything seemed ok... until I started having problems: black screen with the cursor after logging in.
[11:01] <anabain> TJ-, It could be a video driver issue, but I don't use nvidia (using radeon). Finally, I decided to downgrade to 14.10. I installed 14.04 and upgraded. Everything fine, until I tried to change to static ip via modifying /etc/network/interfaces in order to set up some nfs shared dirs between my box and my wife's
[11:01] <prillian5> yesterday I still had an Icon in dolphin (left side) for network, now it's gone.
[11:01] <prillian5> How can I got it back?
[11:01] <prillian5> It was the section where i could add ftp-connections, webdav ...
[11:04] <anabain> TJ-, Then, kde apps started to fail: dolphin freezes when you click on some dir/file icon, kwrite/kate don't do anything, not even when launched from a terminal.. I thought it was something related to routing and resolving the localhost, but then came the failing hdd hypothesis... until now
[11:08] <BluesKaj> anabain:  most routers allow reserved IP settings (static) for various devices on a LAN and following this tutorial is probly the best one for your situation. I've used it very successfully in the past.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[12:11] <kalib> Hello guys. I´m running a new kubuntu 15.04 machine.. and I´m asking myself.. how can I install flash? I mean, I did install the flashplugin-installer, but then it only works on firefox. Not on chromium. So I tried google. Some sits tells me to install the pepper package, so it will works for chromium, but I saw another page from ubuntu docs telling me that this package is not used anymore, and that I
[12:11] <kalib> should install adobe-flashplugin. So I did it.. removed the flashplugin-installer, and installed this adobe-flashplugin.. firefox works, but chromium not. Any tip?
[12:14] <BluesKaj> kalib:  install google-chrome instead of chromium , it contains it's own embedded flash which works fine
[12:15] <kalib> BluesKaj: thanks for your answer, but that´s not a solution. :/
[12:15] <kalib> I want to use chromium, always used it.
[12:16] <BluesKaj> kalib:  you won't be able to tell the difference and all your bookmarks and settings etc from chromium will be autotransferred
[12:17] <kalib> for real? didn´t know it..
[12:17] <BluesKaj> yup
[12:17] <kalib> so.. just aptitude install google-chrome?
[12:17] <kalib> without removing chromium?
[12:18] <BluesKaj> you try them side by side
[12:18] <kalib> ok
[12:19] <kalib> BluesKaj: not on reps, right?!
[12:20] <kalib> aptitude didn´t find it
[12:20] <BluesKaj> you have download the deb file from the chrome site
[12:21] <kalib> let me add the ppa..
[12:21] <kalib> download the deb? I was thinking about add the ppa from google..
[12:21] <kalib> so I can receive updates, etc..
[12:21] <kalib> wouldn´t be better?
[12:21] <BluesKaj> no need for a ppa , it's deb file it will update with the rest of your packages
[12:21] <kalib> ok
[12:21] <ahoneybun> I use chromium just fine
[12:22] <kalib> ahoneybun: chromium doesn´t run netflix..
[12:22] <ahoneybun> right
[12:22] <kalib> BluesKaj: I´ll download it.. thanks.
[12:22] <ahoneybun> I know firefox won't
[12:22]  * ahoneybun has a PS3 for that
[12:24] <kalib> yep
[12:24] <BluesKaj> ran netflix on chrome once , using my daughter's pw ..netflix isn't worth it for me , i found one movie out of a hundred that I might watch
[12:26] <kalib> BluesKaj: didn´t work as you said.. installed, and I´m running it right now.. but it didn´t bring my theme, bookmarks, etc..
[12:26] <kalib> I´ll try to copy the content of my .cconfig/chromium/* to my .config/chrome..
[12:26] <BluesKaj> kaj it takes about a minute after you sign in
[12:26] <kalib> ops... .config/google-chrome/
[12:26] <BluesKaj> kalib: ^
[12:27] <kalib> sigin?
[12:27] <kalib> didn´t use to sig-in on chromium..
[12:27] <kalib> I have this configs local...
[12:27] <BluesKaj> kalib:  no gmail accty ?
[12:28] <BluesKaj> acct
[12:28] <kalib> yes, I have..  but that´s not what I´m saying..
[12:28] <kalib> anyway.. let me try it.
[12:29] <BluesKaj> well if you have a gmail acct then a sign in should show up in chrome
[12:29] <kalib> this is a new installation.. I backed up all my files before re-installing it.. and backed-up .config/chromium/*
[12:30] <kalib> after installing it, I just restored those files.. and there was chromium as it was before..themes, bookmarks, etc..
[12:30] <ahoneybun> your google account syncs everything
[12:31] <kalib> let me try... because I have more than one google account..
[12:31] <kalib> I mean, one gmail and one on my domain (that uses google apps)
[12:32] <BluesKaj> kalib:  check ~/.config/google-chrome/
[12:32] <kalib> ok.. what for?
[12:33] <BluesKaj> to make sure
[12:33] <kalib> tried my first account.. on my domain.. nothing happened..
[12:34] <kalib> let me try to login to @gmail account
[12:35] <kalib> again, nothing happened..
[12:35] <kalib> as I said, I never used to login on my browser..
[12:35] <kalib> that´s why always liked chromium instead of chrome..
[12:35] <kalib> well, I think I´ll just manual import my bookmarks from chromium
[12:35] <kalib> and that´s it..
[12:36] <BluesKaj> it should still sync your settings , unless chromium needs to be removed
[12:47] <kalib> BluesKaj: yeah... anyway.. exported and imported.. now I have my bookmarks.
[12:47] <kalib> thanks ;]
[12:50] <BluesKaj> kalib:  netflix should work and flash sites should as wel , but don't rely on youtube to test flash since most of the content runs in HTML5
[12:54] <kalib> BluesKaj: yes, got it.. already tested on adobe site. :p
[12:54] <kalib> everything working.. thanks
[12:54] <BluesKaj> ok good
[13:43] <Guest36421> Hello.I think i shot my system. KDE wont boot anymore, and i need to restart lightdm manually at boot. Moreover my audio wont work anymore
[13:43] <Guest36421> Can someone help me fix this?
[13:44] <Guest36421> i reinstalled lightdm. KDE booting screen will stp and darken at thrid symbol if it helps. in log i found something suspicious about ibux
[13:44] <Guest36421> ibus
[13:44] <Guest36421> but cant work with it - too noob
[13:47] <Guest36421> it may be a driver issue too, for i find : XvScreenInit: screen devPrivates ptr non-NULL before init
[13:54] <BluesKaj> Guest36421:  which kubuntu version            /
[14:04] <anubis_> Im using kubuntu 14.04
[14:04] <anubis_> shot my kde or soundor graphics driver, im not sure about it yet
[14:05] <anubis_> suspicious logs in /var/log/lightdm
[14:05] <anubis_> but im too stupid to fix it
[14:28] <regedit_> does this channel hava alog?
[14:28] <regedit_> *a log
[14:28] <lordievader> regedit_: Yes.
[14:29] <lordievader> regedit_: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[14:29] <regedit_> lordievader: cool! thanks
[17:13] <anabain> BluesKaj, for the nfs part, the doc you said is fine (SettingUpnfshowto), but that's the second half of the story. The first one: how do I set up a static IP *without* breaking networking in kubuntu, preferably via /etc/network/interfaces ?
[17:17] <BluesKaj> anabain: afaik you don't need to use static IP for NFS, i don't recall seeing that requirement in the tutorial, once your router assigns IPs to devices on a LAN  they won't change unless you do so manually
[17:17] <audreeliss> Why disappear after a few minutes wifi connection? On Xubuntu and Lubuntu will not happen. How to solve it?
[17:22] <lordievader> It is very usefull to use a static ip for an nfs host. That way you can throw the mounts in fstab.
[17:23] <anabain> BluesKaj, right, then let's forget the nfs stuff: how do I set up a static IP *without* breaking networking in kubuntu (I mean network managers, and the like)
[17:26] <lordievader> anabain: The problem yesterday was that NM wasn't running, right?
[17:27] <anabain> NM? excuse me
[17:28] <lordievader> Network manager.
[17:30] <anabain> lordievader, the problem was that after a fresh install-upgrade of 14.04 to 14.10 and setting the static ip via /etc/network/interfaces, kde apps stopped working: kwrite or kate didn't show up, nothing appeared if launched from the terminal, the K button takes about 20 seconds to pop its menu, dolphin freezes when you click some icon...
[17:31] <lordievader> Ah, were you the other one with the Seagate?
[17:31] <anabain> yeah, I changed my nick
[17:31] <anabain> then came the failing hdd hypothesis
[17:32] <lordievader> Ah, right. Did you change anything about your disk(s)?
[17:33] <anabain> right now I'm finishing the  backup (~20 hours), so I haven't touched anything so far
[17:33] <anabain> everything seems fine, rsync has not reported any problems
[17:36] <anabain> the funny thing about the hdd is that Seagates report Raw_Read_Error_Rate and Hardware_ECC_Recovered, and as long as both figures are the same, there's no problem. More diversion: these figures seem to go down or reset or something like that! Today I'm getting lower numbers than yesterday.
[17:37] <lordievader> Strange stuff.
[17:37] <anabain> lordievader, reallocated sectors and current pending sectors are to 0
[17:38] <lordievader> I know, but still. I do not trust drives with read errors. Especially when things simply do not show up.
[17:38] <lordievader> anabain: Does vmstat 1'
[17:38] <anabain> lordievader, TJ- suggested using Seagate Tools, which I'll do when I just finish backing up.
[17:39] <lordievader> anabain: Does 'vmstat 1' show a high io wait time (don't do that now, you'll just see rsync)
[17:42] <anabain> lordievader, ok, then I wait until rsync finishes and to check 'vmstat 1' ?
[18:48] <thisperson> In Ubuntu Unity you press Shift + Alt + Ctrl and arrow key to move the active window to another desktop. How do you set that up in Kubuntu?
[18:48] <thisperson> I setup a lot of things, but haven't found that one yet
[19:00] <krise> Problem, I started my laptop this morning, it asks password on log in screen, after i insert password, it starts loading and returns to log in screen.My system is set up so it dont ask the password at start up
[19:00] <krise> what might be the problem
[19:01] <krise> password anyway is right
[19:13] <BluesKaj> krise:  try using the recovery kernel in grub, then choose networking, then repair broken packages in the dialog
[19:14] <krise> how can i do that BluesKaj
[19:15] <BluesKaj> hold the shift key down right after the post screen when booting, grub should appear, then do the above
[19:18] <krise> ok , im in gnu grub screen
[19:20] <BluesKaj> choose the next kernel below the default it shoulr show a couple of others after clicking on it, then choose the recovery kernel
[19:28] <krise> Sorry BluesKaj im little confused. .First line on this screen is Minimal BASH like line editing is supported.For the first word.TAB lists possible command comletions,Anywhere else TAB lists possible device or file completions.And then next line is grub>
[19:30] <BluesKaj> sorry I didn't mean /etc/default/grub , I meantn the grub bootloader itself
[19:31] <ovidiu-florin> Kubuntu Podcast Episode 3 has started. Join us here: http://youtu.be/uG40fJzlJiM
[19:31] <krise> holding down shift wont do anything
[19:32] <lost_and_afraid> Hi, I just upgraded Kubuntu 14.04 to 15.04 and mostly like it a lot but I don't seem to be able to resize my kicker / kickoff menu. Is this because I did an upgrade and have a strange setting?
[19:36] <ovidiu-florin> Kubuntu Podcast Episode 3 has started. Join us here: http://youtu.be/uG40fJzlJiM
[19:39] <BluesKaj> krise:  sorry , guess I've forgotten howw to prevent grub from autobooting into the login page, but you could do ctl+alt+F1-F6 and login to the VT/TTY then update and upgrade, which might fix your problem, then startx or reboot
[19:46] <BluesKaj> krise:  are ou pressing the shift key immediately after the BIOS//Post page?
[19:47] <krise> yes
[19:47] <BluesKaj> don't wait even one second
[19:47] <BluesKaj> you have to hold it down
[19:49] <krise> yes i did
[19:50] <BluesKaj> well the try the alternative I suggested with ctl+alt+F1 to F6
[19:57] <krise> ok, now im on screen where is ubuntu, advanced options for ubuntu, system setup
[19:58] <BluesKaj> choose advanced options
[19:58] <Vidiot-X> Howdy. I am looking to install the Radeon 'catalyst' drivers for Kubuntu. I would like to have access to the catalyst control center. Does anyone have a link/guide on how to install ATI catalyst drivers fro ATI? Thanks.
[19:59] <krise> now here is list ubuntu with linux 3.19.0-15 to 25
[20:00] <Vidiot-X> By the way Windows user since 3.1. Done with Windows and Windows 1o EULA (privacy). :D
[20:01] <krise> 15, 16, 18, 20, 21, 22, 23, 25
[20:02] <BluesKaj> krise:  choose the kernel that calls itself recovery
[20:02] <krise> all of thems have this option
[20:02] <BluesKaj> Vidiot-X:  look for fglrx in the package-manager
[20:03] <BluesKaj> then choose the 25 recovery, krise
[20:03] <krise> now im in rwcovery menu
[20:05] <Vidiot-X> BluesKaj: Already have them installed 'fglrx' . I did the fglrx-update.. but no 'ATI' control center/panel (were would it be in Kubuntu).
[20:05] <krise> resume, clean, dpkg, fsck, grub, network, root, system summary
[20:06] <BluesKaj> Vidiot-X:  fglrx-amdcccle
[20:06] <BluesKaj> krise:  dpkg
[20:06] <dougl> Vidiot-X, did you check settings? lemme check where my nvidia crap hides.
[20:07] <BluesKaj> dougl:  he's using ati/amd
[20:07] <dougl> just thot it may be in the same place
[20:07] <Vidiot-X> BluesKaj: would I do ' fglrx-amdcccle' through console?
[20:08] <BluesKaj> Vidiot-X:  I think so
[20:08] <krise> installed some packeges, resume to normal boot ?
[20:08] <dougl> lol
[20:09] <BluesKaj> krise: yes
[20:09] <Vidiot-X> BlueKaj: I'll look up 'fglrx-amdcccle' and see whats up. Thanks.
[20:09] <dougl> BluesKaj, don't forget those errands you mentioned - lol
[20:10] <krise> now i have blank screen
[20:14] <krise> some error poped up, Executable: plasmashell PID: 1736 Signal: Aborted (6)
[20:36] <BluesKaj> krise which graphics gpu?
[20:38] <whiteda> Please advise - I am running kubuntu 14.04.3 on an HP Pavilion laptop - after the last update it starts up in command line no graphics - I think there were nvidia updates that may be the problem.  do I have to remove nvidia?  or is there configuration that needs to be updated for nvidia?
[20:40] <BluesKaj> whiteda:  run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade after the normal update and upgrade
[20:42] <whiteda> has 14.04 LTS been replaced?
[20:42] <soee_> woth reading guys: https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-distro-packagers/2015-August/000088.html
[20:43] <BluesKaj> dist-upgrade just upgrades kernel packages/modules  not the OS
[20:44] <whiteda> thanks I will try it
[20:46] <Vidiot-X> soee_: AMD  here :)
[20:48] <Vidiot-X> AMD and Kubuntu 15.04 running very nice here BTW.
[21:08] <whiteda> BluesKaj: ran update, ugrade, then dist-upgrade and rebooted - still nothing but command line
[21:10] <whiteda> I am tempted to back up my important files and then reinstall kkubuntu
[22:04] <anabain> What is the right way to rebuild kde stuff for a user? (I mean, what should I remove, keep, etc., to get fresh kde settings for one existing user)
[22:06] <bprompt> anabain:   w0t?
[22:07] <bprompt> anabain:    all kde settings are at ~/.kde  if that's what you mean
[22:07] <anabain> yes, but everywhere you are told no to remove this dir
[22:19] <lordievader> With kde5 they are in ~/.config/kde (and a couple other folders in ~/.config), usually a good idea to rename rather than delete.
[22:22] <anabain> ok, thanks
[22:28] <Vidiot-X> Coming from Window 7 and leaving Windows forever my experience with Kubuntu has been awesome. Well done!
[22:32] <ahoneybun> thanks Vidiot-X :)


[14:39] <mup> Issue core20#97 closed: Can't boot ubuntu core 20 in kvm <Created by montvid> <Closed by xnox> <https://github.com/snapcore/core20/issues/97>


[00:04] <GuidoPallemans> does a page know what pagestack he is in? It seems not - how can i then push to a pagestack from another file?
[00:21] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, create a property `property var pageStack: <pageStack-id>` and then you can reference that property from any page on the pagestack
[00:21] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, or file loaded from the main file
[00:21] <GuidoPallemans> i think i can use id's through file
[00:21] <GuidoPallemans> i think i can use id's through files
[00:21] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, * any file
[00:22] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, you can, but you need to use a property because you get an error otherwise
[00:22] <GuidoPallemans> i can reference an id (of the pagestack) from any page file
[00:22] <GuidoPallemans> hmm
[00:22] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, due to the implementation
[00:22] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, try it with just an id. I don't think it will work, though.
[00:22] <GuidoPallemans> indeed
[00:23] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, it might work with an id other than `pageStack`. I don't know, though.
[00:24] <GuidoPallemans> gonna save this conversation for tomorrow, its 2 24 am where i am now
[00:24] <GuidoPallemans> thanks anyway!
[01:42] <onemoretry> When I click "Build -> Ubuntu Touch -> Create application package" in the Ubuntu SDK, I get an error that the QtTest module isn't installed.
[01:42] <onemoretry> Has anyone else had this problem?  I haven'tbeen able to find a solution in google or askubuntu.com
[01:44] <onemoretry> The text of the error is: "FAIL!  : qmltestrunner::tst_hellocomponent::compile() module "QtTest" is not installed"
[02:25] <labsin> Can we already try out click packages generated from the ubuntu sdk? I'm trying to install it with `click install *.click` but I get "ValueError: Framework "ubuntu-sdk-13.10" not present on system"
[03:37] <AskUbuntu> Receiving drag events in a WebView in a QML application | http://askubuntu.com/q/335667
[05:42] <mihir_> mhall119: what does UNSTABLE mean from Jenkins bot ?
[07:03] <dpm> morning
[07:03] <mihir_> dpm: Good Morning :)
[07:04] <dpm> hi mihir_ :)
[07:04] <mihir_> Hi dpm , how are you ?
[07:05] <dpm> slowly waking up, but fine :)
[07:05] <dpm> and you?
[07:09] <mihir_> dpm:  mid of my day at office :)
[07:09] <dpm> :)
[07:47] <dholbach> good morning
[08:40] <mihir_> dpm: do we have any Reminder app in core-app list ?
[09:09] <dpm> mihir_, we don't -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/CoreApps
[09:25] <mihir_> dpm:  Okay it would be good if we have that in core apps
[09:29] <Laney> hello
[09:30] <Laney> I need some guidance on i18n.tr. I think the documentation for the singular/plural function is misleading: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/devel/ubuntu-13.10/qml/ui-toolkit/qml-ubuntu-components0-i18n.html#tr-method-2
[09:30] <Laney> it does not actually seem to do the substitution as the documentation implies it will
[09:30] <Laney> how can I achieve this in qml/js?
[09:31] <maarten_> Hi, how can I install my own app wihout buying it? :)
[09:32] <dpm> mihir_, I agree, but I think for now we should focus on completing the current ones rather than starting new ones
[09:33] <dpm> maarten_, is this an app for the desktop or for Ubuntu Touch?
[09:34] <maarten_> dpm: desktop
[09:36] <dpm> maarten_, if you go to your app in MyApps, you should see a "Download package" link on the right hand side. If you click on it, you should be able to download the package and install it locally
[09:39] <mihir_> dpm: Yeah that's also true
[09:41] <maarten_> dpm: Thanks but I cannot find such a link. There is 'Unpublish' and 'detele forever'
[09:49] <dpm> in that case, I don't know. I can see the link for my app. davmor2, do you think you can help maarten_ on this one? ^^
[09:54] <christina> hi crs_jamal
[09:54] <christina> crs_jamal, do you mind if we talk her today? i will be in and out of meetings, so if you leave messages here others can help contribute too
[09:55] <crs_jamal> i just wanted to show you the mockup :p
[09:55] <crs_jamal> no other problems for now
[10:05] <maarten_> dpm, davmor2: related problem I found: http://askubuntu.com/questions/316890/possible-to-download-packaged-deb-file-before-final-publishing-on-myapps-portal
[10:10] <davmor2> maarten_: the ppa is private as you are the owner the easiest way for you to get the app for free is change the price to 0.00 install it and then revert the price.
[10:11] <davmor2> maarten_: out of interest which app is this for because I don't remember seeing a comment with regard installing it without paying which might indicate there is an issue or the server was rolling out a new version while you posted and the email part was never triggered
[10:12] <maarten_> davmor2: Haha, yeah that works I guess :)
[10:12] <maarten_> davmor2: moviethumbs, I made a feedback comment asking how to debug
[10:13] <davmor2> maarten_: ah right hang I think at the time the packager was talking with you so I might of noticed it and assumed it was meant for the packager sorry
[10:14] <maarten_> davmor2: Sure, no problem. And thank you for the hint.
[10:15] <davmor2> maarten_: oh maybe not I don't have an email notification for it.  I'll get onto the devs about that and sorry for the delay :)  glad I could help though ;)
[10:16] <davmor2> maarten_: by the way once you have the subscription to the ppa and change the price back you still keep access to the ppa.   Just a heads up on that one
[10:18] <maarten_> davmor2: Yes I know. Actually I was planning to just pay for it, 3 dollars is nothing. Never even came into my mind that I could change the price first :)
[10:18] <maarten_> dpm: davmor2: Thanks a lot!
[10:19] <davmor2> maarten_: just don't forget to set it back :)
[10:49] <AskUbuntu> Current platforms | http://askubuntu.com/q/335751
[11:31] <GuidoPallemans> does anyone know how the properties should look in the call PageStack::push( page,  properties)
[11:43] <randomcpp> nik90, ping
[11:49] <GuidoPallemans> ah got it
[12:13] <Josh015> Question on best practices for touch app development,
[12:13] <Josh015> when should I be using Sheets vs Dialogs?
[12:22] <nik90> randomcpp: pong
[12:24] <Josh015> Newbie app developer looking for help. Can someone answer a best practices question?
[12:25] <nik90> Josh015: hi
[12:25] <nik90> Josh015: the design team hasnt yet described the use case for a sheet
[12:25] <nik90> Josh015: it is still being worked upon.
[12:25] <nik90> Josh015: may I ask you use case?
[12:26] <GuidoPallemans> Josh015: sheet is for if you have to show more information about some element, dialog is for when you have to ask the user something (hence the name "Dialog")
[12:28] <timp> I think an example for when to use a sheet would be when you display a license or terms that the use can read & approve
[12:29] <nik90> timp: what about a settings pane?
[12:29] <timp> hmm
[12:29] <timp> that might be a new Page that you push on a PageStack
[12:29] <GuidoPallemans> nik90: I made my settings pane in a seperate page
[12:29] <nik90> timp: okay
[12:31] <nik90> GuidoPallemans: that's also what I recommedn to other devs. Just wanted to confirm
[12:31] <GuidoPallemans> oh
[12:32] <GuidoPallemans> nik90: do you know, by any chance, something about that ubuntu web view?
[12:33] <nik90> GuidoPallemans: do you mean qt webview? to display web pages in an app?
[12:33] <GuidoPallemans> nik90: no, they made a seperate one, but it is documented nowhere
[12:33] <GuidoPallemans> let me find you the mail
[12:33] <nik90> no sorry
[12:34] <nik90> I mean I keep track of the web app in the blogs
[12:34] <nik90> but not code wise and hence not sure
[12:34] <nik90> why?
[12:34] <GuidoPallemans><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[12:36] <timp> Josh015: hi
[12:36] <Josh015> Hello anyone who is listening. timp suggested that we have this discussion here to get multiple inputs.
[12:37] <Josh015> So here's the deal, I feel like the current bright white color scheme of the keyboard and the toolbars are hard to read and clash with the generally dark color schemes of most of the apps we are seeing for Ubuntu Touch
[12:38] <Josh015> I was wondering, could it be switched to the color scheme used by the indicator menus?
[12:38] <timp> hmm I don't see a sheet listed on http://design.ubuntu.com/apps so I guess sheets are not recommended to be used by design yet
[12:38] <GuidoPallemans> Josh015: I don't think so, maybe if you use the themes?
[12:39] <Josh015> I am not talking about per app theming
[12:39] <GuidoPallemans> http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.10/qml/mobile/overview-ubuntu-sdk.html#theming-elements
[12:39] <Josh015> I am talking about changing it in the app as a whole
[12:39] <Josh015> Ack
[12:39] <Josh015> I mean the OS as a whole
[12:39] <timp> hmm not sure. Doesn't the toolbar change color when you use a different style for your app?
[12:39] <timp> I guess not. I'm thinking that is still a TODO
[12:39] <Josh015> I was not aware of that,
[12:40] <Josh015> most of the apps I have seen use the default white
[12:40] <timp> it is good to have a bit unified colors that are used everywhere
[12:41] <timp> but if there are problems with contrast, then we should change the color everywhere
[12:41] <Josh015> Exactly,
[12:41] <Josh015> and there is already a good color scheme in the the indicator menus
[12:41] <Josh015> so I feel like that would work well applied to all the toolbars and the keyboard
[12:42] <timp> I think there are two or three color schemes now. One for apps, one for indicators, and one for shell?
[12:42] <timp> Josh015: it is actually a question for design to answer. They are working on visual improvements of the whole shell+indicators+apps
[12:43] <timp> who is here from design?
[12:44] <timp> jounih: ^?
[12:45] <jounih> hey
[12:45] <jounih> what's up
[12:45] <randomcpp> nik90, sorry I went afk in the meantime, do you know if I write a qt-c++ library how can I include this lib in the click package?
[12:45] <timp> jounih: Josh015 has some questions/suggestions regarding the color schemes. Do you know who is best to ask about that?
[12:45] <timp> jounih: for a point-of-view from design
[12:45] <jounih> timp Josh015 you can ask me, if i can't help then i'll let you know who can
[12:46] <jounih> what's the issue
[12:46] <timp> jounih: read back the last 10 lines here :)
[12:47] <jounih> ok gotcha
[12:48] <Josh015> So what say you, jounih?
[12:49] <jounih> Josh015: we have experimented with a dark theme toolbar but no final designs yet. The keyboard is an interesting one, I'm working on a new design for it now. It's still light, but slightly different design.. we hadn't considered a dark theme keyboard but maybe that's worth trying out
[12:52] <nik90> randomcpp: no idea
[12:52] <nik90> randomcpp: sry
[12:52] <randomcpp> no problem
[12:53] <nik90> randomcpp: click packages include all the libraries that they neeed
[12:54] <GuidoPallemans> are click packages ready now?
[12:54] <randomcpp> yeah but with which architecture?
[12:54] <timp> jounih: cool
[12:55] <nik90> randomcpp: that's something mhall119 or dpm should explain to you :)
[12:55] <randomcpp> I just want to know if I can write c++ lib and program without any problem as I do normally :)
[12:56] <nik90> randomcpp: there are others who are planning to write a c++ plugin
[12:57] <nik90> randomcpp: from our side you shouldn't have a problem. How we package it is something we need to worry about and not the app developers such as you
[12:57] <randomcpp> ok great :)
[12:58] <randomcpp> nik90, I think we are waiting someone to take the first step with c++ + qml ehehe
[12:59] <randomcpp> because we are all finding a lot of limitations with js, which can't write files on the filesystem (mostly)
[13:00] <nik90> randomcpp: true
[13:00] <GuidoPallemans> I have a column with a couple of listItem.Standards and it doesn't scroll, why might that be?
[13:01] <GuidoPallemans> i just pushed it to https://github.com/brambram/GithubClient/blob/master/UserPage.qml
[13:02] <nik90> GuidoPallemans: try putting the listitems in a list view
[13:02] <nik90> then it will scroll :)
[13:02] <nik90> columns dont do that
[13:03] <GuidoPallemans> nik90: then all the items get pushed on top of each other
[13:03] <GuidoPallemans> http://imgur.com/Me8pokf
[13:04] <mhall119> randomcpp: actually dholbach knows more about click packages
[13:04] <nik90> GuidoPallemans: you should anchor each element to each other
[13:04] <nik90> GuidoPallemans: they are collasping on each other because you havent defined any anchoring rules
[13:04] <randomcpp> thanks mhall119
[13:04] <mhall119> randomcpp: I don't know what the plan is for multiple arch support in Click
[13:04] <GuidoPallemans> i tried that earlier, ill try again
[13:04] <dholbach> mhall119, it's planned, but not there yet
[13:05] <dholbach> we'll have a discussion about it at vUDS next week
[13:05] <nik90> GuidoPallemans: otherwise you can stick to the column you have but you need to put that column inside a flickable
[13:05] <GuidoPallemans> tried that too
[13:05] <randomcpp> but is having a click pkg necessary for the contest?
[13:05] <GuidoPallemans> let me first try the anchors in the listview
[13:06] <nik90> GuidoPallemans: okay
[13:07] <nik90> GuidoPallemans: is this app for the app showdown
[13:07] <GuidoPallemans> probably, if i have enough time
[13:10] <GuidoPallemans> nik90: why?
[13:11] <nik90> GuidoPallemans: just asking, seems like a very useful app
[13:11] <GuidoPallemans> nik90: and the listview-anchors didnt work for some reason
[13:11] <GuidoPallemans> I only have time until next friday
[13:11] <nik90> ah okay
[13:12] <GuidoPallemans> ill try the flickable now
[13:12] <jasonamyers> any one heard any addition word on desktop app dev updates at developer.ubuntu.com?
[13:12] <GuidoPallemans> should i keep the anchors if i put the elements in a column in a flickable?
[13:13] <xqwzts> GuidoPallemans: I don't think you have to
[13:13] <xqwzts> If you have them in the column and the column has anchor
[13:13] <xqwzts> s
[13:13] <xqwzts> I think that should be enough
[13:14] <xqwzts> 1 sec let me test
[13:14] <GuidoPallemans> xqwzts: should the column have anchors to the flickable?
[13:14] <xqwzts> I think so yes
[13:14] <GuidoPallemans> i find this really weird, all apps i chack have listviews with listitems and they work perfectly
[13:14] <xqwzts> GuidoPallemans: I think the column anchors to the flickable and the flickable anchors to the page
[13:15] <GuidoPallemans> flickable is anchors.fill parent
[13:15] <GuidoPallemans> and the column too?
[13:15] <GuidoPallemans> or just the width?
[13:15] <xqwzts> oh no sorry column has anchors to flickable
[13:15] <xqwzts> flickable doesnt have anchors
[13:15] <xqwzts> just width/height and contentWidth/contentHeight
[13:16] <GuidoPallemans> oh
[13:16] <GuidoPallemans> so
[13:16] <GuidoPallemans> flickable.width: parent.width (&height)
[13:16] <GuidoPallemans> and column.anchors.fill: parent?
[13:17] <xqwzts> yup
[13:18] <xqwzts> but if the flickable width/height are the same as it's parents it wont auto-detect which axis to flick on
[13:18] <xqwzts> so you have to enable it yourself
[13:18] <xqwzts> flickableDirection: Flicable.VerticalFlick
[13:18] <xqwzts> Flickable*
[13:19] <GuidoPallemans> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6014025/
[13:19] <GuidoPallemans> and the anchors.top: previous.bottom are commented out
[13:19] <GuidoPallemans> YES
[13:19] <GuidoPallemans> thank you
[13:19] <GuidoPallemans> a lot
[13:20] <xqwzts> contentWidth/Height = parent.width/height for me
[13:20] <xqwzts> great
[13:20] <GuidoPallemans> I've been looking for this for 3 hours now
[13:20] <xqwzts> you're welcome
[13:20] <xqwzts> yeah that's annoying :/
[13:20] <GuidoPallemans> contentHeight: column.height
[13:20] <GuidoPallemans> is commented now
[13:20] <GuidoPallemans> just gonna delete it
[13:20] <Josh015> I have another question. Has any preliminary thought been given to in-app purchases?
[13:21]  * xqwzts shrugs
[13:21] <xqwzts> I set mine to match the parent
[13:21] <xqwzts> but that was after a bunch of trial and error so I don't remember why it's like that now
[13:21] <Josh015> I know that is probably a low priority right now, but I was just curious.
[13:21] <xqwzts> ah, my shrug wasn't directed at your question Josh015
[13:27] <m-b-o> Kaleo: Hi, I have a problem with setting the background gradient
[13:27] <m-b-o> Kaleo: I've filled a bug for it, perhaps you've already seen it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-weather-app/+bug/1213043
[13:27] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1213043 in Ubuntu Weather App "Binding loop detected when changing backgroundColor of MainView dynamically" [High,New]
[13:28] <nik90> m-b-o: dpm told me that Kaleo may still be on vacation
[13:28] <m-b-o> nik90: ah, ok. thanks
[13:28] <m-b-o> then I'll try next week again :)
[13:28] <dpm> m-b-o, perhaps timp or zsombi can help you
[13:29] <m-b-o> timp: are you around?
[13:30] <dinkometalac> hey all
[13:30] <dinkometalac> does anyone know how to resize the balloon in slider
[13:33] <Josh015> Okay, let me try another one. Does anyone know if there will be a way to make URLs redirect to a specific app like in android?
[13:34] <timp> m-b-o: yes
[13:34] <Josh015> (eg. google+ link to Google+ app, IMDB, to IMBD app, etc)
[13:35] <m-b-o> timp: it's about this bug with the binding loop when changing the background color. have you seen the code to test?
[13:35] <timp> m-b-o: I'll test it now
[13:36] <m-b-o> timp: ok, thanks
[13:37] <AskUbuntu> Are Python apps allowed in Ubuntu App Showdown? | http://askubuntu.com/q/335813
[13:37] <AskUbuntu> U1db in Ubuntu SDK : is there some kind of tutorial available? | http://askubuntu.com/q/335819
[13:38] <timp> m-b-o: confirmed. I don't have time to debug it right now. I assigned it to Kaleo. If he doesn't have time then I can have a look after I finish my current tasks
[13:39] <m-b-o> timp: Kaleo seems on vacation
[13:41] <m-b-o> timp: okay
[13:43] <timp> zsombi: ^ do you have time to have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-weather-app/+bug/1213043 ?
[13:43] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1213043 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Binding loop detected when changing backgroundColor of MainView dynamically" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[13:43] <zsombi> timp: sure, in a minute
[13:43] <timp> great :)
[14:01] <boiko_> om26er: hey, how can I trigger a rebuild of CI for this MR: https://code.launchpad.net/~boiko/ubuntu-calculator-app/fix_autopilot_tests/+merge/180921 ?
[14:04] <om26er> boiko_, I think we should just unpropose and then repropose that branch for it to be picked up automatically
[14:05] <om26er> boiko_, you cannot trigger rebuild because the jenkins instance was created from scratch so all the previous jobs data is gone
[14:13] <zsombi> timp: OOOMG!
[14:15] <boiko_> om26er: so I delete the MR and create it again?
[14:16] <om26er> boiko_, yes
[14:16] <om26er> boiko_, or you could just push a very minor change to the branch and it shall be picked\
[14:22] <timp> zsombi: something's wrong? ;)
[14:23] <zsombi> timp: yes
[14:25] <zsombi> timp: in that bug you asked me to check... the Theme is changed at least 18 times!
[14:25] <timp> wh-ooops
[14:26] <timp> zsombi: is it something you like to work on? I assigned florian, but maybe he's not around these days
[14:28] <zsombi> timp: choosing the theme by the color causes a series of theme reloads, which then cause new delegate creations, and those also cause again theme invalidations... not sure it can be fixed in few hours...
[14:31] <boiko_> om26er: that might be better, I will do that
[14:34] <timp> zsombi: so maybe we shouldn't choose a theme by the color.
[14:35] <timp> zsombi: I'm lookin at the code now, and I don't see something obviously wrong with it
[14:35] <zsombi> timp: there should be some workaround for that problem... perhaps the binding loop is reported for the previous instance of the style object that is on teh way to be deleted...
[14:35] <timp> unless the theme changes the background color
[14:35] <timp> then you get a recursion
[14:37] <zsombi> timp: the backgroundColor does not have binding anymore to the theme
[14:41] <timp> zsombi: do we want to be able to select the theme by setting the background color? That is causing the problem, right?
[14:42] <zsombi> timp: yes... and seems that was the desired behavior...
[14:42] <xqwzts> Is there any way to get the filesystem path for the project root in QML?
[14:43] <zsombi> timp: last week Saviq had similar problem with the MainView's backgroundColor causing binding loops... Saviq, R U still here?
[14:43] <Saviq> zsombi, I am, it was dednick
[14:43] <Saviq> zsombi, timp see the comments to https://code.launchpad.net/~nick-dedekind/unity8/indicators-behaviour.tabs/+merge/175334
[14:44] <Saviq> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1204453
[14:44] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1204453 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Binding loop in MainView when using tabs in unity8 indicators" [High,Confirmed]
[14:46] <zsombi> timp: so we have two bugs on the same issue then...
[14:49] <zsombi> timp: wow! actually the fact that the header/footer colors are bound with backgroundColor causes the problem!!!
[14:49] <zsombi> timp: if I set a different color to either headerColor/footerColor, no more binding loops come
[14:50] <timp> zsombi: perhaps the issue is caused by something in the Ambience theme that is not there in Suru or SuruDark
[14:50] <zsombi> nono
[14:50] <timp> s/Suru/SuruGradient
[14:50] <zsombi> the issue is in the MainViewStyle.qml
[14:50] <timp>         property bool isGradient: styledItem.backgroundColor != styledItem.headerColor ||
[14:50] <timp>                                   styledItem.backgroundColor != styledItem.footerColor
[14:50] <timp>         property string theme: isLight ? "Ambiance" :
[14:50] <timp>                               (isGradient ? "SuruGradient" : "SuruDark")
[14:51] <timp> zsombi: each theme has its own MainViewStyle
[14:51] <zsombi> timp: I get less binding loops if I set all three colors to the same value!
[14:51] <timp> seems a bit messy then that the theme is set in MainViewStyle
[14:51] <timp> oh
[14:51] <zsombi> !
[14:53] <zsombi> timp: in that way I only get bonding loop once for the style in MainView and twice for the target in MainViewStyle
[14:53] <zsombi> timp: in the Ambiance
[14:54] <zsombi> timp: the MainViewStyles from Suru and SuruGradient do not have anything to do with the binding loop... they just set the backgroundSource to empty URL
[15:30]  * dholbach hugs beuno
[15:31]  * beuno snuggles
[15:31] <dholbach> :)
[15:35] <dholbach> mhall119, this is funny:
[15:35] <dholbach> Unpacking com.ubuntu.developer.mhall119.xda-developers-app (from com.ubuntu.developer.mhall119.xda-developers-app-0.1.4.click) ...
[15:35] <dholbach> Setting up com.ubuntu.developer.mhall119.xda-developers-app (0.1.2) ...
[15:35] <dholbach> (note the version mismatch :))
[15:36] <dholbach> mhall119, if I install it manually on the device using "click install bla.click" should it turn up in the dash?
[15:39] <mhall119> dholbach: 0.1.4 should turn up in the dash, yes
[15:39] <mhall119> 0.1.5 should turn up with a working icon too
[15:39] <mhall119> dholbach: not sure where it's still seeing 0.1.2 though
[15:40] <dholbach> mhall119, it doesn't - but maybe something's wrong because it can't connect to the net?
[15:40] <dholbach> I'm on 20130822
[15:40] <dholbach> I'll try later on back at home
[15:41] <AskUbuntu> How to develop for Ubuntu? | http://askubuntu.com/q/335880
[15:41] <AskUbuntu> Quickly application create config folder and config file under user's home folder | http://askubuntu.com/q/335881
[15:43] <AskUbuntu> Properties of gtk2/gtk3 config files? | http://askubuntu.com/q/335882
[16:12] <wellsb> If the height of my screen is smaller than the contents of my listview, the view gets positioned at the top of the first element instead of at the top of the header
[16:12] <wellsb> Ahh, i see bug 1202277
[16:12] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1202277 in Ubuntu File Manager App "[MainView] positioning & clipping don't take into account ListView.header's height at startup" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1202277
[16:18] <GuidoPallemans> hey, I'm having trouble using a webview inside a page, there seems to be an empty titlebar over the webview: http://i.imgur.com/T7kC4pr.png here is the code: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6014575/
[16:36] <Mihir> Hi All
[16:40] <Mihir> boiko: Hi :)
[16:40] <boiko> hi Mihir :)
[18:18] <om26er_> boiko, the last failure in lp:~boiko/ubuntu-calculator-app/fix_autopilot_tests is due to the fact that my changes were no pep8 compliant
[18:18] <boiko> om26er_: yeah, I hate this 79 lines thing
[18:18] <boiko> om26er_: already submitted a fix
[18:33] <AskUbuntu> QT Creator - Testing Code | http://askubuntu.com/q/335950
[18:54] <davmor2> mhall119: if you get requests from devs to be able to get their apps for free again on an evening while I'm off.  Easiest way is for the dev to change the price to $0.00 install the app then change it back again.  The dev can change the price without triggering a request for us to approve it.
[18:56] <davmor2> mhall119: it's not important that you know that but it might be useful and quicker if someone out side my timezone knows too :)
[19:05] <mhall119> thanks davmor2
[20:03] <CarlosMazieri> hello!, will there be filemanager app meeting?
[20:20] <randomcpp> goodnews everyone! I've found a way to deploy c++ plugins locally without installation!
[20:25] <randomcpp> nik90, https://github.com/random-cpp/saucybacon/tree/cpp-backend
[20:25] <randomcpp> \o/
[21:05] <weblife> Darn someone beat me to it.  Thought gitolite would make a good charm.
[21:06] <weblife> wrong channel again
[21:24] <randomcpp> any cmake expert here?
[21:26] <randomcpp> nik90, checkout the cpp-backend branch :)
[21:44] <xqwzts_> randomcpp: i got c++ plugin working with a .pro file qmake/make
[21:45] <xqwzts_> now i just have to figure out why it occasionally crashes :P
[21:45] <randomcpp> yeah but I prefer cmake
[21:45] <xqwzts_> fair enough, I don't know either enough to judge what the difference is
[21:45] <randomcpp> the only annoyance, qtcreator doesn't play well with cmake
[21:46] <randomcpp> are you able to run qmlplugindump?
[21:52] <GuidoPallemans> has anyone here worked with oath in an app?
[22:05] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, I haven't, but I will need to soon for Trello integration. Are you having problems?
[22:13] <GuidoPallemans> quite, it's the first time I'm using oath in anything, really
[22:14] <GuidoPallemans> iBelieve: I had some problems earlier, when GitHub restricted my access to 60 calls
[22:19] <GuidoPallemans> per hour
[22:26] <randomcpp> xqwzts_, ping
[22:31] <randomcpp> no sorry :)
[22:40] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, did you use OAuth from QML?
[22:43] <GuidoPallemans> no, ive used nothing, I'm trying to find out how oauth workd
[22:43] <GuidoPallemans> s
[22:43] <GuidoPallemans> my current plan is just to launch a webview, but i didnt know there was oauth from qml
[22:43] <iBelieve> GuidoPallemans, I don't think there is, but I was wondering if you knew
[22:44] <GuidoPallemans> ah no :D
[22:44] <GuidoPallemans> so it'll be just the webview then :D
[22:56] <randomcpp> yeah now I can read and write files \o/
[23:18] <xqwzts_> randomcpp: pong
[23:19] <randomcpp> no sorry I solved by myself :)
[23:19] <xqwzts_> GuidoPallemans: I think there is oauth js that you could probably use?
[23:19] <xqwzts_> randomcpp: kewl
[23:19] <GuidoPallemans> xqwzts_: where?
[23:20] <randomcpp> xqwzts_, sorry again :)
[23:20] <xqwzts_> GuidoPallemans: I think there's one called OAuth.js and another jsOAuth
[23:20] <xqwzts_> randomcpp: no worries!
[23:20] <randomcpp> :)
[23:22] <xqwzts_> GuidoPallemans: some quick googling: http://www.mapbox.com/osmdev/2013/01/15/oauth-in-javascript/ http://oauth.googlecode.com/svn/code/javascript/README.txt https://github.com/bytespider/jsOAuth
[23:22] <randomcpp> xqwzts_, if you're interested, my c++ plugin branch is here https://github.com/random-cpp/saucybacon/tree/cpp-backend
[23:22] <xqwzts_> I can't vouch for any of them!
[23:23] <xqwzts_> randomcpp: awesome!
[23:23] <xqwzts_> my c++ code is.... pretty misreable :D
[23:23]  * xqwzts_ is not a fan
[23:24]  * randomcpp loves c++ with all his heart <3
[23:24] <randomcpp> xqwzts_, at the moment I wrote some functions to read and write files
[23:24] <randomcpp> I want to be able to export recipes as pdf or other formats
[23:25] <xqwzts_> ah that's a really cool idea actually
[23:25] <GuidoPallemans> xqwzts_: thanks, but these all use the window property in javascript, which I dont have
[23:25] <randomcpp> I have to thank Cantide
[23:25] <xqwzts_> my plugin for the moment just saves images to disk
[23:25] <xqwzts_> GuidoPallemans: ah, sorry :/
[23:25] <xqwzts_> randomcpp: have you considered allowing recipes to be emailed?
[23:26] <randomcpp> yeah, also shared via libfriends
[23:26] <xqwzts_> with a decent html email template that's heavily branded by your app
[23:26] <xqwzts_> sounds great
[23:27] <randomcpp> on facebook it's easy to share a whole recipe
[23:27] <randomcpp> on twitter, it can look pretty miserable :/
[23:27] <randomcpp> just the recipe name..
[23:34] <randomcpp> good night
[23:34] <randomcpp> see you tomorrow :)


[00:04] <mup> Bug #1882229 opened: Unable to upload any script <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882229>
[00:07] <mup> Bug #1882229 changed: Unable to upload any script <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882229>
[00:10] <mup> Bug #1882229 opened: Unable to upload any script <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882229>
[00:13] <mup> Bug #1882229 changed: Unable to upload any script <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882229>
[01:29] <cloaked1> I think I got it figured out. For some reason this subnet had a reservation for dynamic addresses that was taking up the entire /27 even though only 12 machines were in use.
[15:53] <mup> Bug #1882371 opened: [2.8/candidate] /snap/maas/current/helpers/maas-database-setup missing <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1882371>


[00:00]  * prpplague jokes with rsalveti
[00:00] <prpplague> rsalveti: i've been pretty happy with the install so far
[00:00] <rsalveti> :P
[00:08] <ogra> GrueMaster, i really need some sleep, can you attach logs with debug to the bug and after that try to add 'export UBIQUITY_OEM_USER_CONFIG=1' to the oem-config init in a new install ?
[00:08] <ogra> i wonder if the last bit makes it go through
[00:09] <GrueMaster> I'm adding debug log details now.  Will try that shortly.
[00:09]  * prpplague hands ogra some beer and tylenol PM
[00:10] <ogra> i wonder if we see that issue because we dont use the oem user
[00:11] <ogra> beer is a good idea
[00:11]  * ogra will have one before sleep
[00:11] <ogra> :)
[00:12] <GrueMaster> The oem user issue would be new considering how long we've gone without it.
[00:13] <ogra> yep
[00:13] <ogra> but a lot changed
[00:14] <ogra> and we are the only ones working in that setup
[00:16] <GrueMaster> I'm not seeing much in the logs that helps (not that I know what to look for).  Beyond the original syslog report, debug-oem-config hasn't added any useful info.  oem-config.log has more info, but nothing that stands out to me.
 This is a little anti-climactic.
 My new PandaBoard appears to Just Work with Ubuntu.
[03:50] <rsalveti> :-)
[04:04] <prpplague> rsalveti: guess that is a +1 in you guys column
[04:05] <rsalveti> actually it's quite nice to know people use it and like it
[04:05] <rsalveti> unfortunately we don't have many pandas around yet
[04:06] <prpplague> rsalveti: hopefully that will change soon
[04:07] <prpplague> rsalveti: you looked at the motorola atrix?
[04:08] <rsalveti> prpplague: yup, is that omap 4?
[04:09] <prpplague> rsalveti: yea
[04:10] <rsalveti> prpplague: I thought it would be tegra 2
[04:10] <rsalveti> cool
[04:11] <rsalveti> lot of people will try to install ubuntu on it, for sure
[04:11] <dustin> Aloha
[04:11] <prpplague> yea they already are using the Lapdock
[04:11] <prpplague> dustin: greetings
[04:12] <dustin> Could you point a newb towards troubleshooting does for install Ubuntu on the BeagleBoard?
[04:12] <dustin> err docs not does
[04:13] <prpplague> dustin: have you tried the elinux.org wiki pages first?
[04:13] <rsalveti> dustin: maybe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall
[04:14] <dustin> I followed the instructions on the elinux wiki
[04:14] <rsalveti> that will help you with the pre-installed images
[04:14] <dustin> However when I boot the BeagleBoard just spits gibberish to the terminal.
[04:14] <dustin> I'll check that rsalveti, thanks!
[04:41] <prpplague> rsalveti: you are right the atrix is tegra
[04:42] <prpplague> rsalveti: i got bad info
[04:42] <rsalveti> oh, would be quite cool if it was omap 4
[05:56] <dustin> rsalveti: using that install process seemed to work
[05:56] <dustin> However does it usually take a while to boot?
[05:57] <dustin> It's been sitting on the line "Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel." for a while.
[06:04] <dustin> then it reboot itself
[06:10] <dbc_> ???
[07:50] <lag> ogra: Are you about?
[08:10] <fairuz> any special channel I have to join for Perf tool related problems?
[09:29] <ogra> lag, with half an eye, i need to debug an install crasher
[09:30] <lag> ogra: I'm trying to get gdm working with my u8500
[09:30] <lag> X is running, /dev/fb0 works, gdm is running, but I have a black screen?
[09:30] <lag> ogra: Any hints?
[09:30] <ogra> are you on the right tty ?
[09:31] <lag> console=tty0
[09:31] <ogra> thats not what i asked :)
[09:31] <lag> How cant you tell which tty /dev/fb0 is on?
[09:31] <lag> ogra: It's the only answer I have
[09:31] <lag> ogra: Where is that configured?
[09:32] <ogra> did you try ctrl+alt+f7 ?
[09:32] <ogra> in plymouth afaik
[09:32] <lag> I only have a serial console
[09:32] <lag> And touchscreen
[09:32] <ogra> it uses the first free console for X 1-6 are getty, 7 is either X or boot log
[09:33] <ogra> so you either find your gdm on tty7 or 8
[09:33] <ogra> and did you check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:34] <lag> ogra: Yes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/574353/plain/
[09:36] <ogra> looks fine so far
[09:36] <ogra> how about a usb keyboard
[09:37] <lag> ogra: No USB host
[09:37] <ogra> thats bad
[09:39] <ogra> so do you see the splash during boot ?
[09:40] <ogra> gdm should take over from plymouth at some point
[09:48] <lag> ogra: No slash, just black
[09:50] <XorA> lag: I see the same on my beagle XM, no screen output at all
[09:50] <XorA> lag: with natty image
[09:51] <lag> XorA: Was that different with your Maverick one?
[09:52] <lag> XorA: Are you using the Linaro Natty image?
[09:52] <XorA> I only got Xm at weekend so I went straight to natty
[09:52] <XorA> lag: ubuntu one
[09:53] <lag> XorA: Ah okay, so it MAY not be related
[09:53] <XorA> as far as I can see image is running as it resized the partitions on first boot
[09:53] <lag> XorA: I would have become excited if it worked on Linaro Maverick, but didn't on Natty - 'cos that's what I'm seeing
[09:55]  * XorA wishes default image had serial console
[09:56] <hrw> XorA: linaro ones can
[09:56] <lag> XorA: http://snapshots.linaro.org/11.05-daily/linaro-netbook-efl/latest/0/images/tar/
[10:02] <ogra> XorA, the hedless ubuntu ones will
[10:02] <ogra> janimo is working on them
[10:02] <ogra> with NCommander
[10:08] <XorA> ahah, crappy monitor
[10:08] <XorA> my TV shows output
[10:11] <XorA> must be some small signal difference between beagle and default PC boot resulotion
[10:14] <fairuz> is perf tool is not 100% implemented on arm platform? i get errors when trying to get cache miss data from a program.
[10:30] <fairuz> a stupid question.. i included arch/arm/include/asm/hardware/cache-l2x0.h in my code..but why cant I use the functions defined in arch/arm/mm/cache-l2x0.c? I got l2x0_init undefined error
[11:06] <dmart> fairuz: regarding perf, what kernel and linux-tools package (if any) are you using?  What errors do you get?  It should work afaik
[11:41]  * XorA is happy now, natty running good on XM
[11:41]  * XorA curses monitor failings
[11:52] <ogra> tell that to TI
[11:52] <ogra> changing the HW all the time doesnt really help consistency
[12:01] <XorA> beagle dont change that much :-)
[12:04] <ogra> enough to break the display output
[12:14] <XorA> that has never broken in Angstrom ;-)
[12:19] <fairuz> dmart: still there?
[12:19] <fairuz> I'm using linux-ti-omap4-tools-2.6.35-980 - Linux kernel tools for version 2.6.35-980
[12:20] <fairuz> kernel 2.6.35-980-omap4
[12:21] <fairuz> i tried perf stat -e L1-dcache-load-misses echo "test"
[12:21] <fairuz> i got this error: No permission to collect stats. Consider tweaking /proc/sys/kernel/perf_event_paranoid.
[12:24] <fairuz> when i use sudo with verbose -> Error: counter 0, sys_perf_event_open() syscall returned with -1 (No such device)
[12:27] <dmart> fairuz: hold on, I'll have a go
[12:30] <fairuz> dmart: ok thanks
[13:23] <fairuz> dmart: you there?
[13:52] <rsalveti> ogra: meego bug says that the qt neon bug is fixed at 4.7.2
[13:53] <rsalveti> ogra: now we just need to wait until this get uploaded
[14:06] <ogra> rsalveti, i will only belive it is fixed if i can start QT apps on my ac100 ;)
[14:06] <rsalveti> ogra: sure :-)
[14:18] <dmart> fairuz: still here btw ... I was distracted for a while ... still trying to set up a working system, I'm afraid
[14:33] <fairuz> dmart: no problem =) take your time
[15:02] <rsalveti> vstehle: trying to join, just a sec
[15:04] <rsalveti> haha, still the first one
[15:11] <fairuz> dmart: any luck with setting up the system?
[15:14] <sebjan> rsalveti: vstehle is ooo this week, so he will probably not join
[15:15] <rsalveti> oh, got no email from him
[15:15] <rsalveti> sebjan: but thanks :-)
[15:15] <rsalveti> one less call for today
[16:40] <SQlvpapir> anyone got a Genesi Efika MX smarttop? In the specs they mention 720p resolution, but their blog talks about 1080p. what is the device actually capable of?
[16:40] <ScottK> hrw: ^^^
[16:41] <hrw> I have smartbook only
[16:41] <hrw> SQlvpapir: ask on #efika
[16:43] <SQlvpapir> thanks hrw, I had no idea there was a channel for that :) cheers
[17:13] <ScottK> Ah.  I misread the question.
[17:39] <XorA> arg, I wish I didnt have to debug ttyS drivers in natty :-(
[17:39] <ogra> ??
[17:39] <XorA> Im guessing someone broke serial port support in linux mainstream
[17:40] <ogra> why would you use ttyS at all on omap
[17:40] <XorA> this is on my desktop->beagle serial console
[17:40] <ogra> use ttyO ;)
[17:40] <XorA> ogra: and I have an omap3 on my desk with 4 8250 uarts
[17:41] <ogra> well, i think all omaps use ttyO now, at least upstream
[17:42] <XorA> ogra: no this one really has quad UART chip on it :-)
[17:42] <XorA> 0000:04:04.0: ttyS6 at I/O 0xe880 (irq = 17) is a 16550A
[17:42] <XorA> FATAL: failed to add device /dev/ttyS6: Filedes is not a tty
[17:42] <XorA> bah
[20:11] <rsalveti> ogra_: plymouth is running at the first boot but without any feedback from jasper
[20:11] <ogra_> yep
[20:11] <ogra_> i guess i'll lose some hair finding out how to make it talk to the splash
[20:11] <ogra_> press right or left cursor key
[20:11] <ogra_> that gives you the output
[20:12] <rsalveti> oh, too late
[20:16] <rsalveti> ogra_: hehe, the installer is a lot faster without the slideshow
[20:17] <ogra_> lol
[20:17] <ogra_> we should consider making that a permanent change ;)
[20:18] <rsalveti> haha :-)
[22:43] <ericb2> hello
[22:43] <ericb2> is somebody using an EFIKA MX Netbook on this channel ?
[23:02] <GrueMaster> ericb2: Try the #efika channel.
[23:02] <GrueMaster> I haven't heard much about them here.
[23:06] <ericb2> GrueMaster: thanks. To be honest, I'm discovering the machine name. But since we can buy one in Europa, 'm intersted to buy one for a student


[00:04] <jpds> Diddleha - in devel, I has no access, kthx.
[00:08] <jpds> ohai.
[00:24] <sistpoty> hi ... I've done evil by talking to a troll (Diddleha on #ubuntu-devel)
[00:25] <sistpoty> now he did take the invitation to troll on, even though repeatedly being asked by diverse people to not abuse #ubuntu-devel
[00:25] <sistpoty> can you help, please?
[00:27] <Flannel> sistpoty: It seems that no one with access is online right now, I'll try and ping them
[00:27] <sistpoty> thanks Flannel! :)
[00:28] <Flannel> mneptok: ping
[00:28] <Flannel> Oh, you already got the ping, nevermind
[00:28] <sistpoty> (btw, /me did an exclamation mark ops already in #ubuntu-devel, no response so far, not too sure how your clever scripts will ping people ;))
[00:28] <Flannel> nalioth: Can you take care of it?
[00:29] <Flannel> thanks niko
[00:30] <niko> yes, i just join
[00:30] <jpds> niko: No, he clearly can't.
[00:32] <niko> 3/71
[00:36] <sistpoty> thanks a lot nalioth for taking care! :) (leaving ubuntu-ops knowing the situation is taken care of)
[00:51] <mneptok> Flannel: pong
[00:51] <Flannel> mneptok: Thanks, other people took care of it
[01:15] <D3RGPS31> bazhang: now what :D
[01:16] <bazhang> D3RGPS31, hang on a second
[01:20] <bazhang> D3RGPS31, have you read the code of conduct and guidelines
[01:20] <bazhang> !coc | D3RGPS31
[01:20] <bazhang> !guidelines | D3RGPS31
[01:22] <D3RGPS31> bazhang: yes
[01:22] <bazhang> D3RGPS31, are you aware why you were banned in #ubuntu ?
[01:23] <D3RGPS31> bazhang: yes
[01:23] <bazhang> D3RGPS31, and that was?
[01:23] <D3RGPS31> bazhang: argueing with multiple ops on the release of 9.10
[01:24] <bazhang> D3RGPS31, the operator who banned is ikonia ; you should speak to him (not certain he is around right now)
[01:24] <Seeker`> I doubt he is, its late where he is
[01:25] <bazhang> right
[01:25] <D3RGPS31> >.>
[01:25] <D3RGPS31> is there a chance my ban can be lift for afew hours
[01:25] <Flannel> D3RGPS31: Why were you arguing with the operators?
[01:27] <D3RGPS31> Flannel 9.10 released around 9:00 AM USA:EST my time, i spread the good word to #ubuntu-release-party, #ubuntu-social, and #ubuntu; some argued; i argued; more argued; i continued to argue, then i was banned
[01:28] <Flannel> D3RGPS31: You were told a number of times in #ubuntu (and I imagine in -release-party as well) not to give links out until it's actually announced.  Why did you continue?
[01:28] <gord> Seeker`: mesula in #ubuntu-uk... *sigh*
[01:29] <Seeker`> time for him to leave?
[01:29] <D3RGPS31> Flannel: 9:30 USA:EST (took my half an hour to download from the switz. server)
[01:29] <Flannel> D3RGPS31: What?
[01:29] <gord> Seeker`: it would be best for everyone involved, himself included
[01:30] <gord> drunk ircing is not good for anyone
[01:30] <D3RGPS31> o; why
[01:31] <D3RGPS31> Flannel: hype; stopped after i read the messege
[01:32] <Flannel> D3RGPS31: Which message?
[01:32] <D3RGPS31> not to post links in chat
[01:33] <Flannel> D3RGPS31: No, I'm actually looking at logs right now where you were told not to post the link, and then you continued to do so.
[01:34] <D3RGPS31> didn't read the messege
[01:34] <Flannel> D3RGPS31: Are you often in the habit of ignoring lines addressed to you in IRC?
[01:35] <D3RGPS31> Flannel: just as often as when the soldier on adrenaline fires his gun without thinking
[01:35] <Seeker`> is "vbg" a standard part of an ident string for any client?
[01:36] <Seeker`> sorry, "vdg"
[01:37] <Seeker`> gord: still around?
[01:37] <gord> Seeker`: sure
[01:37] <Flannel> D3RGPS31: Do you understand why it's important to not only pay attention to things you're told on IRC, but also to be aware of and respect the policies of the channels you're in?
[01:38] <Flannel> D3RGPS31: I guarantee the topic of -release-party included a message about not posting links.
[01:38] <Seeker`> mesula has gone offline. Turberry has just come into the channel, same ircname, same ident in the hostmask, different IP. Same person?
[01:38] <Flannel> For instance
[01:38] <Flannel> Seeker`: purple is pidgin, no.
[01:38] <gord> Seeker`: yup
[01:39] <Flannel> vdg may mean same person, but purple certainly doesn't
[01:39] <Seeker`> purple is for the "real name"
[01:39] <D3RGPS31> Flannel: you got me there, can't paraphrase that into something about war; but ofcourse i am, since i'm here making a plea
[01:40] <Flannel> D3RGPS31: We need people to not post links before its released for a variety of reasons.  It makes release faster, it's safer for everyone, lots of people like to claim things are final before they actually are, etc.  We have plenty of good reasons to do so, even if you're not aware of all of them.
[01:41] <Seeker`> deliberate ban evasion is k-line'able, no?
[01:41] <Flannel> D3RGPS31: Are you willing to be better about ignoring things in the channel in the future?
[01:42] <D3RGPS31> Flannel: 'ignoring things'?
[01:42] <Flannel> D3RGPS31: You said you didn't read the line addressed to you about not posting links
[01:42] <D3RGPS31> Flannel: ah, got you
[01:44] <D3RGPS31> Flannel: quick question; there a link to the code of conduct and ircguidelines in georgian? can't quite understand everything
[01:45] <Flannel> I'm not sure, but if you need clarification, I'd be happy to rephrase something for you
[01:48] <D3RGPS31> Flannel: never mind; i got it :3
[01:51] <D3RGPS31> Flannel: i'll do my best to read all addressed messages to me
[01:51] <Flannel> And follow the guidelines?
[01:53] <D3RGPS31> Flannel: i'll follow them to the best of my understand :3
[01:53] <Flannel> D3RGPS31: Don't be shy about asking for clarification
[01:54] <D3RGPS31> Flannel: it took me afew moments to get the sarcasm of *Don't use public away messages*
[01:55] <Flannel> There's no sarcasm there.
[01:56] <D3RGPS31> Flannel: 'Imagine 600 people doing that.' :o
[01:57] <Flannel> 600?  Try 1600!
[01:58] <D3RGPS31> Flannel: sarcasm? xD
[01:58] <Flannel> D3RGPS31: Alright, I've gone ahead and removed your ban in #ubuntu.  Have a good time, hopefully we won't see you in here for ban resolution again in the future :)
[02:00] <D3RGPS31> Flannel: praise be with you :3
[02:08] <MenZa> elky: fun.
[02:12] <Seeker`> Flannel: turberry1 is turberry/mesula, who was banned this evening from -uk
[02:12] <Flannel> yeah, I noticed
[02:13] <gord> Seeker`: am keeping an eye on him
[02:15]  * MenZa keeps his eyes on gord
[02:15] <bazhang> heh
[02:15]  * Seeker` keeps his gords on Flannel
[02:18] <MenZa> O_O
[02:19]  * gord keeps his moose, loose, aboot this hooose
[02:24] <MenZa> #u so busy :(
[02:25] <MenZa> yay, bazhang to the rescue!
[02:34] <bazhang> its fine to be stupid?
[02:35] <MenZa> Is it just me or is ewb pretty unhelpful?
[02:36] <MenZa> bazhang?
[02:36] <bazhang> MenZa, ewb's comment
[02:36] <bazhang> very unhelpful
[02:36] <MenZa> huh?
[02:36] <MenZa> indeed
[03:56] <bazhang> wanhouse is diddleha
[05:00] <bazhang> diddleha back as dengha
[05:07] <MenZa> We should probably update !grub
[05:07] <elky> MenZa, to what?
[05:08] <MenZa> !grub
[05:08] <MenZa> Something about legacy vs. grub2
[05:08] <elky> !grub2
[05:09] <elky> !grub
[05:09] <MenZa> So !grub is =~ sed/is the default Ubuntu boot manager/was the default boot manager in Ubuntu until 9.04/
[05:09] <MenZa> Or so.
[05:09] <MenZa> And perhaps add 'For Karmic, please see !grub2
[05:10] <elky> !grub
[05:10] <elky> helps if i remember the "no" bit.
[05:10] <MenZa> heh
[05:10] <MenZa> The problem with the first couple of links is that they are for legacy, and most people are silly and dont read ahead. :[
[05:11] <elky> !grub
[05:11] <MenZa> \o/
[05:11] <elky> that better?
[05:13] <MenZa> indeed. :)
[05:14] <MenZa> oh, and happy elky day.
[05:15] <elky> whee!
[05:16] <elky> between hospital and work, not so happy. at least i'm out now and i can say "was in hospital" not "am in hospital" when my parents ring tonight, which should avoid them landing on my doorstep on the morrow
[05:16] <MenZa> hehehe
[05:17] <bazhang> nice :)
[05:18] <elky> also, aforementioned phone conversation will commence with "if you start to lecture me, i will hang up", and will probably still conclude with me hanging up.
[05:19] <elky> also, i have bruises. i'm hard to bruise, but dammit needles do a good job
[05:32] <MenZa> lol
[05:32] <MenZa> elky: You should see my right arm when they try to draw blood from that.
[05:43] <elky> MenZa, i have a swollen welt/bruise on my right arm from where stupid pathologist gave up looking for vein (read: didn't even try a heat pack) and jabbed the vein the canula was in, an inch above it. had to move the canula to other arm by that evening.
[05:45] <nalioth> wow, partybot even gets into it  :P
[05:45] <elky> ...?
[05:45] <elky> i havent been in -rp this release, for obvious reasons
[05:45] <elky> dont feel like it right now either
[05:45] <nalioth> partybot called the ops
[05:45] <KB1JWQ> Join / quit spam in #ubuntu
[05:45] <KB1JWQ> Banned <IP_ADDRESS> so people could at least talk.
[05:46] <KB1JWQ> And the floodbots are crapping themselves...
[05:46] <nalioth> the mass join was in #ubuntu, that i saw
[05:48] <mneptok> @hawk-06.bq4less.com should be watched by staff, IMO
[05:49] <bazhang> what's the nick
[05:50] <mneptok> "arelbqlar" when last seen
[05:50] <nalioth> mneptok: i thought he got klined
[05:51] <nalioth> yes, he did get klined
[05:51] <mneptok> nalioth: you
[05:51] <mneptok> bah
[05:51] <mneptok> you'd know better than i
[05:51] <nalioth> why are we watching him now?
[05:51] <mneptok> he /join'ed just before the flood, and /part'ed just before the first mass /part
[05:52] <KB1JWQ> Yeah, I didn't see him /nick to Lazarus or anything. :-)
[06:45] <MenZa> elky: In the past two years, noone's been able to draw blood from my right arm - and I'm a blood donor :)
[07:06] <elky> MenZa, tried heat packs and everything?
[07:08] <MenZa> elky: they haven't, no
[07:08] <MenZa> elky: but it's not a problem, they just tear up my left arm instead.
[07:08] <elky> i used to be a blood donor, but when they started getting clots instead of blood, i gave up.
[07:09]  * mneptok cannot donate blood. viral carrier.
[07:09]  * jussi01 cant be a blood donor anymore...
[07:09] <MenZa> :o
[07:09] <MenZa> I haven't actually donated any blood yet, I've just had a number of tests taken
[07:10] <MenZa> I signed up when I turned 18, shortly after I got glandular fever (six months quarantine), and a couple of months later, I had my appendix removed (another six months quarantine)
[07:10]  * jussi01 had some strange sickness now they dont want my blood anymore
[07:10] <Madpilot> pilots are discouraged from giving blood. which is fine by me, I'm highly needle-phobic...
[07:10] <MenZa> good call, Madpilot
[07:10] <jussi01> Madpilot: really? I hadnt heard that.
[07:10] <MenZa> makes sense
[07:10] <MenZa> what with how alert pilots need to be
[07:10] <MenZa> altitudes and all that too.
[07:11] <Madpilot> ya, hypoxia/altitude effects and loss of blood - not a good combination
[07:11]  * jussi01 is part way to becoming a pilot
[07:11] <Madpilot> even before I started flying I didn't give blood, I'm afraid. needles make me pass out...
[07:11] <elky> MenZa, heat packs make your veins go skin-wards in an attempt to get rid of the excess heat they dont want.
[07:12] <MenZa> I used to be terrible with needles. I'd go really faint and dizzy from them.
[07:12] <MenZa> Then I was suspected of having diabetes, and had a craptonne of tests done.
[07:12] <MenZa> Since then, no problem.
[07:12] <elky> a good round of exercise can do the same
[07:12] <MenZa> elky: yeah
[07:12] <Madpilot> MenZa, familiarity breeds contempt, or something?
[07:12] <MenZa> Madpilot: heh
[07:13] <mneptok> i was hospitalized for 2 months at age 2 with spinal meningitis. that cured any needle phobia.
[07:13] <Madpilot> I'm utterly gutless around needles, even seeing injections in video gets me ick'd right out
[07:13] <MenZa> mneptok: owww.
[07:14] <MenZa> Hello, bullgard4.
[07:14] <MenZa> Can we help you?
[07:14] <MenZa> Okay then.
[07:14] <Madpilot> apparently not
[07:14] <mneptok> MenZa: yeah. it was a stanky affair.
[07:14] <Madpilot> jussi01, you a student pilot?
[07:15]  * MenZa did VATSIM at one point.
[07:15] <mneptok> at one point all the veins in my arm had collapsed, and they ended up drawing blood by cutting open my ankle.
[07:15] <MenZa> owwww
[07:15] <bazhang> oof
[07:16] <jussi01> Madpilot: kinda, got 20 hours about 5 years ago got chronic fatigue (a short term version thank god) and stopped. when I got better, well... money....
[07:16] <MenZa> I was mildly freaked out at having an IV tap placed in my hand when I had my appendectomy. May have just been because I'd almost just woken up, but it seemed to be less unpleasant than having a regular blood test done :)
[07:16] <MenZa> I very barely felt it
[07:17] <Madpilot> the 'well... money" part sounds far too familiar. been running into that for several years now trying to get flight training completed and be actually employable...
[07:17] <mneptok> so i'm a perfect candidate for blood donorship, as needles and i have no quarrel. but my HSV1 with ocular herpetic keratitis pathology makes me an unsuitable donor
[07:18]  * MenZa is 0+, they love him at the blood clinic.
[07:18] <MenZa> well, bank.
[07:18] <mneptok> i forget what type i am, and Google isn't helping.
[07:19] <MenZa> (A|B|AB|0)(+|-)
[07:19] <MenZa> :P
[07:20] <bazhang> O-
[07:20] <MenZa> bazhang needs to donate blood.
[07:20] <MenZa> universal donor, man!
[07:20] <elky> I'm A+
[07:20] <MenZa> What a useless blood type!
[07:20] <bazhang> thought I was the worst at getting blood though
[07:20] <MenZa> Pretty common in Aus?
[07:20] <elky> btw, i'm glad to see that the release announcement made it to The Fridge.</sarcasm>
[07:20] <bazhang> heh
[07:20] <MenZa> bazhang: Anyone can benefit from your blood :)
[07:21] <MenZa> _anyone_
[07:21] <elky> MenZa, well yeah. it's the most in-demand type, yet proportionally the least donated, because it's assumed so common.
[07:21] <mneptok> MenZa: vampires say A+ is wintergreen flavored. very useful if you just had the AB+ with hot sauce.
[07:22] <MenZa> elky: Well, A+/- and 0+/- could donate to it
[07:22] <MenZa> elky: So that's not too bad
[07:22] <MenZa> You're screwed if you're 0-
[07:22] <MenZa> Well, probably not *screwed*, but it's the most selective type.
[07:22] <elky> i believe dad is 0+
[07:22] <bazhang> yep :/
[07:22] <MenZa> bazhang: Oh, I assume they keep it stocked up and use it as a last resort :)
[07:23] <bazhang> MenZa, like I trust the blood supply here :(
[07:23] <Flannel> MenZa: (AB?|B|O)(+|-)
[07:23] <Flannel> or I guess that latter could be [-+]
[07:24] <MenZa> Flannel: I don't do regexes >(
[07:24] <MenZa> >:(
[07:26] <Flannel> and actually, rarities of blood is highly dependant on what continent/ethnicity you're on/around
[07:26] <MenZa> certainly
[07:26] <MenZa> I wrote a report about this once.
[07:26] <Flannel> US is different than AUS, etc
[07:26] <MenZa> Well, genetics. I touched upon the geographical issue with a pretty figure.
[07:26]  * elky wonders why she's still at work, and goes home
[07:26] <MenZa> :D
[07:27] <Flannel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_type#ABO_and_Rh_distribution_by_country
[07:27] <Flannel> since, we're all very interested in quantitative data
[07:28] <MenZa> mmmmm data
[07:28] <MenZa> I believe I even included that table in my report
[07:29] <MenZa> I did indeed!
[07:29] <MenZa> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/333917/08-02-05-report_blood_types.pdf <- For anyone mildly curious.
[10:57] <vox> mmm
[10:57] <vox> dist-upgraded jaunty to karmic
[10:57] <vox> broken.
[10:57] <wgrant> vox: You didn't literally apt-get dist-upgrade, I hope.
[10:59] <vox> well update-manager has never worked on this install, so i didnt have alot of choice
[11:00] <wgrant> You could have used do-release-upgrade
[11:00] <wgrant> dist-upgrades *will* break unless you really know what you are doing.
[11:01] <vox> eh im not concerned
[11:01] <vox> i was 85% sure it would break
[11:01] <vox> was looking for an excuse to reinstall with ext4 anyway :P
[11:03] <wgrant> Aha.
[11:13] <jussi01> happy birthday elky. hope you feel better :)
[11:14] <elky> much better than thursday
[11:14] <elky> better even than i have for about a week now that i think of it, tbh
[11:15] <elky> well, better than i have for *weeks* since all the tooth pain i was having is gone now too, and was probably the infection gearing up
[11:16] <jussi01> elky: thats good. hope things continue to improve.
[11:30] <vox> substantial trolling in #ubuntu
[11:30] <bazhang> multiple
[11:30] <vox> nod
[11:33] <vox> sigh
[11:33] <ikonia> I'll message bodsa
[11:33] <bazhang> whoops poor bodsda
[11:33] <bazhang> heh
[11:34] <ikonia> done
[11:35] <bazhang> psinetic seems to be pushing it on nicknames
[11:35] <ikonia> yes
[11:35] <ikonia> he's done this before
[11:35] <ikonia> (not nicks but just pushed the limits)
[11:36] <bazhang> true
[11:36] <vox> he means well
[11:36] <bazhang> not sure about that
[11:37] <vox> i've spoken to him a few time in private
[11:37] <bazhang> one on one he can be reasonable
[11:38] <elky> one on one most -ot people can be reasonable. it's when we let them talk to each other that problems happen ;)
[11:38] <bazhang> hehe
[11:38] <bazhang> elky, +10
[11:38] <vox> touche`
[11:39] <jussi01> ubottu: tell siva about bot
[11:43] <jussi01> Is there a Firefox search extension to search LP?
[11:43] <bazhang> yes
[11:43] <jussi01> bazhang: linkki?
[11:44] <bazhang> just a second jussi01
[11:47] <bazhang> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/8388?src=api
[11:48] <bazhang> only English and German currently, will also do ubuntuforums and dozens other
[11:48] <jussi01> bazhang: and thatll search LP? like bug and stuff?
[11:50] <bazhang> just running it now jussi01 (odd, but had it in last release but cant find that one)
[11:53] <bazhang> nope its different
[11:54] <bazhang> its still pretty cool though, lots of sub-menus , but not directly what you were asking for jussi01
[12:04] <BlouBlou> hey, a_n_o_n_  joined again in #ubuntu
[12:04] <elky> thanks
[12:05] <BlouBlou> no problem, ;)
[12:13] <^Anonymous> HELLO!?
[12:13] <^Anonymous> Why can't I talk un #ubuntu
[12:13] <Seeker`> I suspect you were banned
[12:13] <^Anonymous> ?
 Hello?
[12:13] <^Anonymous> #ubuntu Cannot send to channel
[12:13] <^Anonymous> Whats this mean
[12:14] <^Anonymous> Why sould I of been bannee
[12:14] <^Anonymous> d
[12:15] <^Anonymous> I was asking for help
[12:17] <Seeker`> you were being annoying
[12:17] <^Anonymous> I was? why?
[12:17] <Seeker`> I have no idea why
[12:17] <^Anonymous> Who told you that?
[12:17] <Seeker`> I looked at the logs
[12:18] <^Anonymous> Can you unban me?
[12:18] <^Anonymous> they didnt awnser my question
[12:18] <Seeker`> you were asked to stop what you were doing several times
[12:18] <elky> ^Anonymous, PMing us until you discuss it further here is not going to help anything.
[12:18] <^Anonymous> What was I doing wrong?
[12:19] <^Anonymous> What kind of help is it if people ban me for asking?
[12:20] <^Anonymous> Fine then.
[12:20] <elky> drat.
[12:20] <elky> impatient brat
[12:21] <elky> i'm dist-upgrading, firefox isn't loading bantracker
[12:22] <vox> is it a full moon?
[12:23] <elky> vox, this is relatively tame for just a few days after release
[12:23] <vox> point
[13:58] <bazhang> thought mdeonte was montel edwards bot
[14:21] <jussi01> !sound-#kubuntu
[14:21] <jussi01> ideas on fixing that?
[14:49] <ryanakca> jussi01: I dunno. KMenu -> System Settings -> Multimedia just gives me a list of sound cards with Pulseaudio at the bottom of the list... maybe 's/first.*fails,//g' ?
[14:54] <jussi01> ryanakca: we dont ship/use arts anymore
[14:54] <ryanakca> jussi01: *nod*
[14:55] <ryanakca> Hence my suggestion to remove that section of the blurb :)
[14:56] <wsch> please check Dr_Willis his reply to me in #ubuntu
[14:56] <bazhang> :/
[19:18] <bazhang> mesula seems familiar
[19:30] <erUSUL> !newgdm
[19:48] <jpds> bazhang: Yes. He was banned a few days ago somewhere.
[19:51] <Seeker`> where is/was mesula?
[20:04] <nalioth> FYI montel is back and bothering the #ubuntu-beginners folks
[20:10] <Jordan_U> Could someone add !grub15 to ubottu? It's a problem I have been seeing a lot and googling "grub error 15" doesn't give any usefull information so people experiencing this problem are somewhat up the creek trying to solve it.
[20:37] <Flannel> Uh... did ajavid do anything recently?
[20:38] <Flannel> He's in the BT from june, but I just got a query from him seemingly randomly
[20:47] <Jordan_U> Could someone add !grub15 to ubottu? It's a problem I have been seeing a lot and googling "grub error 15" doesn't give any usefull information so people experiencing this problem are somewhat up the creek trying to solve it.
[20:49] <nalioth> Jordan_U: there is no need to repeat
[21:04] <Flannel> Jordan_U: do you have a factoid suggestion for it?
[21:11] <Flannel> Howdy guntbert, How can we help you today?
[21:11] <guntbert> Hi, yesterday I made a proposal for a keyserver factoid - anything wrong with it?
[21:12] <guntbert> Flannel: because sometimes the ubuntu keyserver is really unresponsive
[21:17] <jrib> guntbert: care to repeat it?
[21:17] <jrib> !keyserver
[21:18] <guntbert> jrib: In ubottu, guntbert said: !keyserver is <reply> The ubuntu key server is to be found at http://keyserver.ubuntu.com. If this one is unresponsive you can use most other gpg key servers as well - for instance http://pgp.mit.edu/
[21:18] <jrib> !keyserver is <reply> The ubuntu key server is to be found at http://keyserver.ubuntu.com. If this one is unresponsive you can use most other gpg key servers as well - for instance http://pgp.mit.edu/
[21:19] <jrib> guntbert: thanks
[21:19] <jrib> I've seen that issue crop up a few times
[21:19] <guntbert> jrib: so did I :-)
[21:19] <jrib> !keyserver
[21:20] <guntbert> bye - and thx for your support
[21:20] <Flannel> Maybe should link to GnuPG wikipage as well
[21:22] <Flannel> Mmmm, if the GPG wikipage wasn't so monolithic...
[22:03] <Jordan_U__> Sorry, I'm having problems with my DSL connection so I didn't know if my first message came through
[22:04] <Jordan_U__> Flannel: I sent a suggestion for !grub15 to ubottu, should I send it again?
[22:04] <nalioth> Jordan_U__: no
[22:12] <guntbert> ubottu seems to be either under heavy load or asleep :)
[23:50] <bazhang> Sphinx_away, how can we help you
[23:58] <Flannel> Howdy derek_smart, How can we help you today?
[23:58] <derek_smart> i was banned yesterday for 24 hours at around 4 pm venezuelan time
[23:59] <derek_smart> its 7:30 pm over here
[23:59] <Flannel> derek_smart: alright, let me take a look