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[11:47] <xnox> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[11:47] <xnox> where is sil
[11:48] <xnox> Laney:  https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/debian-cd/activate-focal-hwe-kernel/+merge/397085 we have started to build hwe things in livefs (via livecd-rootfs change) and new server subiquity images do have both generic & hwe kernels initrds etc. Now need to trigger generation of the boot menu entries.
[11:48] <xnox> could you please take a look?
[11:50] <sil2100> o/
[11:51] <sil2100> Oh, ok, forgot about this step, might need to write it down somewhere
[11:51] <sil2100> On it now
[11:52] <tjaalton> sil2100: fyi, linux-firmware is verified now
[11:52] <tjaalton> on focla
[11:52] <tjaalton> focal
[11:52] <sil2100> tjaalton: thanks! :)
[11:54] <sil2100> xnox: merged and deployed
[11:54] <Laney> woohoo work saved
[11:54] <xnox> sil2100:  thank you!
[11:55] <xnox> Laney:  =)))))) i think sil2100 felt disturbance in the force that somebody is trying to bypass him to touch debian-cd.
[11:55] <sil2100> xnox: ...and modding the checklist to make sure I don't miss it during 22.04.2 :D
[11:55] <xnox> sil2100:  well, for 22.04.2 and/or even now, i do wonder if I can somehow make it do the right right always.
[11:55] <Laney> that's good because I don't understand how that variable is used so I would have had to learn
[11:55] <sil2100> Good thing there's xnox always with a watchful eye!
[11:55] <xnox> sil2100:  since we now always have hwe metapackages. we could be always generating hwe menu entries in subquity.
[11:56] <Laney> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7NvZwBrzfz/
[11:56] <Laney> gibberish
[11:56] <xnox> Laney:  let's pretend i understand how it works. looking at boot-amd64 it sort of looks like it would work right. but we shall see.
[11:56] <sil2100> Laney: just the way we like it
[11:57] <xnox> Laney:  i think that hunk is not used, because that's d-i image stuff ?!
[11:57] <Laney> who knows
[11:57]  * xnox was looking into tools/boot/focal/boot-amd64 script
[11:57] <Laney> that bit is slightly more understandable
[11:59] <sil2100> What I wouldn't want is for us to provide the boot entry all the time, even when the hwe meta package still points to the GA kernel - since that would be confusing to users
[12:00] <sil2100> So we'd have to add some smarts to make sure it's pointing at the hwe kernel but ignoring it if hwe = ga
[12:00] <xnox> sil2100:  as we now found out on the desktop, right?! =)
[12:00] <sil2100> Yeah ;)
[12:06] <tjaalton> btw, the image has packages for both 5.6 & 5.10 oem kernels, and folks are now testing if 5.10 should replace 5.6
[12:07] <tjaalton> on the image
[12:07] <tjaalton> then the metapackage to pull would be -oem-20.04b
[12:07] <tjaalton> 5.6 will be obsolete in a month
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[12:15] <xnox> tjaalton:  well, i thought it wasn't that straight forward. some 5.6-oem will move onto 5.8-hwe; and some will start off with 5.10-oem; and some will upgrade from 5.6-oem to 5.10-oem.
[12:15] <xnox> unless things have changed =)
[12:16] <xnox> tjaalton:  do we have oem-metas that reference oem-20.04b on the iso itself?
[12:17] <tjaalton> that's correct, but the image probably has no need for 5.6 anyway. most of the migrations have happened already aiui
[12:17] <tjaalton> the image didn't seem to have 20.04b meta, so I'd say no?
[12:18] <tjaalton> anyway, they're testing 5.10 now and should have results before the end of the week
[12:24] <xnox> tjaalton:  i'm just worried about image size of 3 x (kernel + lrm) stacks.
[12:25] <tjaalton> sure, I'm pretty confident 5.6 will get dropped
[12:26] <Laney> O_O
[12:28] <tjaalton> also, I'm forced to respin 5.10 but it should get in updates by tuesday
[12:29] <tjaalton> 5.6 has a security update respin
[12:29] <xnox> somehow i don't see meta, but linux-image-5.10.0-1011-oem is on the iso
[12:29] <tjaalton> yeah I'm not sure how it got there..
[12:29] <xnox> i wonder if our globs for nvidia or some such pull that in.
[12:30] <xnox> tjaalton:  yeap we pull in linux-modules-nvidia-460-oem-20.04
[12:30] <xnox> wait
[12:30] <xnox> and this one too linux-modules-nvidia-460-oem-20.04b
[12:31] <tjaalton> ah
[12:31] <xnox> so 3x nvidia, with 2.5x of kernels =)
[12:35] <Laney> I thought 5.6 was meant to be dropped
[12:36] <tjaalton> aiui they want to test that 5.10 at least boots up
[12:36] <tjaalton> on the machines that now use 5.6
[12:36] <tjaalton> hmm
[12:36] <tjaalton> though most should use hwe
[12:37] <tjaalton> anyway, rex knows more :)
[12:37] <Laney> right, machines go to hwe or new oem as required, then old oem goes away, that's what I thought the idea was
[12:37] <tjaalton> yes
[12:37] <tjaalton> but timing for the .2 image was challenging
[12:46] <sil2100> xnox: hm, can we consider https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/u-boot/+bug/1905274 verified?
[12:58] <xnox> sil2100:  yes, commented.
[12:58] <xnox> sil2100: focal verified for realz. groovy is hand wave.
[13:48] <tseliot> hey sil2100 , can you approve LP: #1904583 for bionic too, please? (so that we can verify it)
[14:00] <sil2100> tseliot: adding it to my TODO o/
[14:00] <sil2100> xnox: thanks!
[14:00] <tseliot> sil2100, thanks a lot :)
[14:01] <sil2100> slyon: hey! http://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/n/netplan.io/focal/amd64 <- did you take a look at those? Since I was thinking about releasing glib2.0, but I see this one is happening all the time - it feels flaky as everytime a different test fails, so I guess it's nothing scary, right?
[14:04] <cking> hi there, zsys and zfsutils-linux for hirsute are stuck in proprosed migration, is it possible to add a hint skipping the implicit dependency (grubzfs-testsuite) and get it moving?
[14:06] <slyon> hey sil2100 ! Yes, I looked into them. looked like flaky timeouts which happen from time to time. But I'm not sure why it  fails everytime...
[14:06] <slyon> It's not normal that they fail so often in a row
[14:07] <sil2100> Ok
[14:08] <slyon> Let me quickly try if I can reporduce them in a local autopkgtest
[14:11] <xnox> cking: any uploader can retry tests with extra packages from proposed, or everything from proposed. you know that right?
[14:12] <xnox> and grub-zfstestsuite seems to need the same fixes as zsys. looking into that.
[14:15] <xnox> trying to upload grub-zfstestsuite that doesn't ftbfs
[14:34] <cking> xnox, ack, thanks
[14:35] <slyon> sil2100: the "bonds" test passed locally. So it seems to be flaky indeed. Flakyness seems to have become more intense as of glib2.0/2.64.6-1~ubuntu20.04.1, though.
[14:36] <slyon> But I think you should be fine releasing glib2.0
[15:27] <xnox> cking:  calling a pass.
[15:27] <xnox> # github.com/ubuntu/grubmenugen-zfs-tests_test [github.com/ubuntu/grubmenugen-zfs-tests.test]
[15:27] <xnox> ./disk_handler_test.go:248:38: not enough arguments in call to zfs.DatasetSnapshot
[15:27] <xnox> 	have (string, bool, map[zfs.Prop]zfs.Property)
[15:28] <xnox> 	want (string, bool, map[zfs.Prop]zfs.Property, map[string]string)
[15:28] <xnox> didrocks999:  can you please fix grub-zfstestsuite too?
[15:58] <didrocks999> xnox: not immediatly, this one depends on a grub with patched behavior. However, when we prepared both grub-zfstestsuite, an out of VCS upload was done by foundation, and so, we need to rebase our commits which is a nightmare (+redo all the work and testing). No time for this right now
[15:59] <didrocks999> this is why I told cking  that it’s ok to hint to skip grub-zfstestsuite behavior
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[16:01] <xnox> i see
[16:01] <xnox> didrocks999:  i wonder if i should help rebasing that.
[16:01] <xnox> cking:  sigh
[16:01] <xnox> didrocks999:  cking: sounds like we will need to ping ubuntu-release to allow things to migrate.
[16:03] <didrocks999> yeah, that’s what I suggested cking, it’s only a testsuite anyway so it can stay in proposed
[16:03] <didrocks999> xnox: if you want, there is a bunch of patches, but the most important part and time consuming is testing grub
[16:12] <cking> ugh, what a pain
[16:17] <didrocks999> cking: really, as told by email, just ask for an hint on autopkgtests to skip the grub-zfstestsuite, there is no impact on this one anyway and this is on my list to spend again a full day on it redoing the work that was overridden by previous grub upload
[16:19] <vorlon> if anyone else is having trouble finding that package, it's apparently grubzfs-testsuite in the archive
[16:19] <cking> didrocks999, so I did ask a coupla hours ago in this channel, not sure what else I need to do
[16:22] <didrocks999> sil2100: mind hinting zfs-linux and zsys to transition to the release pocket, skipping grubzfs-testsuite autopkgtests failure (as we will let it in -proposed) ^
[16:22] <cking> +1 ^
[16:24] <sil2100> didrocks999: I can look at it after the meeting and after some SRU releases for .2! ;)
[16:25]  * cking suddenly realizes he didn't ask clearly enough, doh
[16:25] <didrocks999> thanks sil2100!
[16:57] <sil2100> cking: in the meantime, could you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zfs-linux/+bug/1894329 verification for focal? Since I guess it would be good to get that for .2?
[16:57] <xnox> vorlon:  oooh, components missmatches in maas seed in focal and needs promotion => pxelinux (deb) from the syslinux source
[16:58] <xnox> (and they try to do testing/building with main only)
[16:58] <sil2100> bdmurray: if you could verify at least groovy and focal tzdata, that would be awesome
[16:58] <vorlon> ubuntu-archive: we have a migration prepared for moving ubuntu-archive-tools from bzr to git (https://code.launchpad.net/~rbalint/ubuntu-archive-tools/bzr-to-git/+merge/384436).  Is there a good/bad time to do this migration?
[16:59] <vorlon> (the git branch is a bit behind so I'll need to ask rbalint for a reimport)
[16:59] <sil2100> hm, not sure how many tools from there are used by the publisher and such
[17:00] <vorlon> xnox: in *focal*?
[17:00] <sil2100> So you're probably more familiar with what risk that could introduce - I just know that for image build and publishing we have a local copy on ancientminister and that won't break anything
[17:01] <vorlon> sil2100: I would handle migrating the snakefruit and anonster checkouts, it's more about coordinating with the archive team to update their local checkouts and retarget any in-progress MPs
[17:01] <bdmurray> sil2100: okay
[17:01] <bdmurray> vorlon: I've one MP outstanding for ubuntu-archive-tools
[17:01] <xnox> vorlon:  and in hirsute too pxelinux syslinux-common
[17:01] <vorlon> bryce: ack
[17:01] <xnox> vorlon:  they got dropped when we moved off them, but maas still uses them.
[17:01] <vorlon> xnox: how did it end up as a c-m in focal?
[17:02] <xnox> vorlon:  by getting seeded into maas-supported seed by me.
[17:02] <xnox> (sponsoring merge proposal from maas team)
[17:02] <xnox> vorlon:  it's stuff inside the maas snap / boot-resources maas stream.
[17:03] <vorlon> mm
[17:03] <xnox> pxelinux syslinux-common => both should be in main in focal & hirsute.
[17:03] <xnox> vorlon:  unless you disagree with how to pxeboot?
[17:03] <vorlon> xnox: I generally disagree with changing seeds in stable releases :)
[17:04] <xnox> vorlon:  i can ask for clarifications.
[17:04] <vorlon> I suppose it's a special case where there was an untracked dependency that was only detected post-release
[17:05] <xnox> yeah, that.
[17:06] <Laney> I would actively enjoy it if ubuntu-archive-tools were to be migrated
[17:07] <vorlon> Laney: any concerns about timing?
[17:07] <vorlon> we do have rather a few outstanding MPs which I think is why this didn't get done sooner; I'll try to garden those before pulling the trigger
[17:07] <Laney> not for my own checkout
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[17:09] <Laney> Only if there's a problem for the point release which needs a fix there and it doesn't get deployed because some server's copy didn't get switched over yet
[17:09] <Laney> probably low likelihood
[17:10] <vorlon> xnox: syslinux source is in main in focal, promoting the binaries requires republishing focal-updates, I'm inclined to punt
[17:11] <xnox> vorlon:  after pooint release? we publish focal-updates all the time.....
[17:11] <rbalint> vorlon, please ping me when everything is ready and i'll do the reimport
[17:11] <vorlon> rbalint: thanks
[17:12] <vorlon> xnox: not even then.  I don't want to do a re-publish of a package to -updates for no other reason than a binary c-m fix when the source is already in main and it is therefore already tracked for security support
[17:12] <xnox> vorlon:  ack!
[17:12] <xnox> gotcha.
[17:17] <vorlon> tseliot: nvidia-graphics-drivers-435 source is in hirsute with no binaries; should it be removed? (noticed because it's currently in the i386 whitelist, but is no longer after a refresh)
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[17:37] <bdmurray> sil2100: tzdata verified for F and G
[17:40] <xnox> vorlon:  lp:maas-images are moving from using bionic bootloaders to using focal ones; since we are not choosing to republish syslinux into main unchanged, it means ltrager will have to change lp:maas-images  to enable universe to pull pxelinux.
[17:41] <xnox> but otherwise ~foundations-bugs are still on the hook to maintain it.
[17:41]  * cjwatson has no concerns about u-a-t if somebody else is dealing with the migration and chasing down things like clones on snakefruit :)
[17:42] <cjwatson> we've been pointing people at tools like copy-package there for some time, so it's probably worth doing a wiki search (including {help,dev}.launchpad.net) and actively notifying people like IS who might be heavy users
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[17:51] <vorlon> xnox: ok; I don't really want maas-images pulling arbitrarily from universe, but OTOH if we're not going to have a feedback loop that enforces main-ness before release I'm not sure whether there's much value
[17:55] <vorlon> cjwatson: good points - though in the worst case users will update their checkouts and get a README pointing them elsewhere so I'm not too fussed if we miss a spot
[17:56] <xnox> vorlon:  the target so far is to move maas-images to next lts around/after .1 release.
[17:56] <xnox> vorlon:  should we do something of the same effect earlier?
[17:57] <vorlon> xnox: which is not the point at which we should be getting feedback from the MAAS team that packages need to be promoted to main for the release
[17:57] <xnox> or like have ~ubuntu-cdimage owned pipeline that builds maas-images ?
[17:57] <xnox> or even building out of devel?
[17:57] <cjwatson> vorlon: yeah
[17:57] <vorlon> xnox: they ought to have a CI pipeline for devel, independent of what release they use for production
[17:57] <xnox> vorlon:  i wonder if we should have per-series boot-resources builds anyway.
[17:57] <xnox> vorlon:  ack.
[17:58] <vorlon> xnox: I'm fine not having per-series boot resources, I just want them checking this stuff against trunk :)
[17:58] <vorlon> xnox: and where are you having this conversation w/ Lee given that he's not in this channeL?
[17:59] <xnox> vorlon:  ~secureboot-maas
[17:59] <xnox> vorlon:  my special place where i have maas team on demand =)
[18:00] <vorlon> >_<
[18:00] <xnox> vorlon:  i'll open maas-images project bug report about that.
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[18:12] <bdmurray> sil2100: I'm looking at the tzdata autopkgtest failures now
[18:12] <tseliot> vorlon, it can be removed, since I think we have transitional packages for it
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[18:44] <kanashiro> ubuntu-archive: I need some removals from hirsute to unblock ruby-faraday{,-middleware} migration. You can find all the details in LP #1913596 and LP #1913598
[18:44] <sil2100> bdmurray: thanks!
[18:45] <kanashiro> we would be following what debian already did
[19:03] <kanashiro> it will also unblock many ruby libraries that are stuck in proposed at the moment
[19:51] <bdmurray> sil2100: tzdata is all SRU'ed and autopkgtests have passed.
[19:51] <bdmurray> SRU verified
[19:51] <vorlon> xnox: why does boost1.74 not build libboost-iostreams1.74-dev on i386? (thin-provisioning-tools wants it)
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[20:11] <vorlon> xnox: I guess the answer is you pruned everything not known to be needed; straightforward enough. I'm readding now
[20:14]  * enyc meows
[20:16] <vorlon> sil2100: https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/packages/u/ubuntu-image/hirsute/s390x this is crazypants... why are tests consistently failing on s390x due to failure to start the grub-common.service, only with the new python3-defaults, and passing otherwise?
[20:16] <vorlon> also why is there a grub-common service on s390x :P
[20:35] <sil2100> bdmurray: thanks!
[20:37] <sil2100> vorlon: uh, I'd have to take a look, but that sounds weird! And it seems to be happening only for the qa tests, and that depends on @buildeps@ and uh, git
[20:37] <sil2100> So wtf
[20:37] <sil2100> Oh, wait, one time it was unittests.sh that also failed, uh
[20:38] <sil2100> So it's not reliably failing the same thing!
[21:01] <vorlon> sil2100: yeah :/
[21:07] <bdmurray> vorlon: speaking of things not to phase - language-pack-* ?
[21:32] <xnox> vorlon:  i don't know why we build grub-common deb on s390x.
[21:36] <vorlon> xnox: well if we didn't then ubuntu-image would currently be uninstallable
[21:36] <vorlon> bdmurray: sounds right to me
[21:37] <bdmurray> so sil2100 you might want to fully phase those
[21:55] <sil2100> bdmurray: yeah, will do
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[00:24] <simplew> yofel: ping
[00:37] <Kheo> hello
[00:37] <Kheo> how can I do a port forward on command line ?
[02:13] <dougtheslug> I have noticed that a few applications on Kubuntu have some issues displaying text... it looks choppy, and shifted slightly up and down
[02:13] <dougtheslug> Chromium and the GUI installer for Dropbox are the two I can remember, here are screen shots: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ahnzxreo82timf0/3_z79y3ylP
[02:17] <xixor> dougtheslug: no idea.  Do you have fonts-freefont-ttf, ttf-dejavu-extra, fontconfig, fontconfig-config installed?
[02:18] <xixor> also libfreetype6, ttf-mscorefonts-installer, ttf-ubuntu-font-family?  I'm just going through muon and checking which font packages I installed... I installed a bunch  when I first installed 12.10
[02:20] <dougtheslug> xixor: I am only missing ttf-dejavu-extra, the rest say they are installed in muon...
[02:20] <dougtheslug> I guess restart and see if i still have the issue?
[02:20] <dougtheslug> *after installing?
[02:21] <xixor> yeah, I guess
[02:25] <dougtheslug> xixor: hmm, chrome still has the issue, and the dropbox context menu for the tray icon has the same issue...
[02:25] <dougtheslug> maybe I need to configure something in the system settings?
[02:28] <dougtheslug> or if I could figure out which font chromium (not chrome, my bad) and dropbox using...
[02:31] <xixor> dougtheslug: not sure, could be the antialiassing settings?
[02:32] <xixor> System Settings->Application Appearance->Fonts.  Use anti-aliasing is the place
[02:33] <xixor> for me, I have anti aliasing enabled, click configure.  I have use sub-pixel rendering enabled, RGB, hinting style: Medium.  No execluded range.
[02:34] <xixor> dougtheslug: anyhoo, good luck, I'm off to bed
[02:34] <dougtheslug> xixor alright, thanks for your help!
[02:34] <dougtheslug> yeah, toggling it, I only the other fonts changing...
[02:35] <dougtheslug> *I only noticed the other
[02:53] <JaySee_> hi
[02:54] <JaySee_> hi
[04:01] <simplew> Riddell: ping
[04:01] <simplew> yofel: ping
[04:21] <simplew> how can i change lightdm theme so that appears like the one when isntalling ubuntu?
[05:23] <simplew> how can i do have the login screen like it appears in Ubuntu?
[05:25] <cryrain> hello everyone
[06:41] <noaXess> moorning..
[06:41] <noaXess> hey.. checkout this, can you explain? why are cpu ussage in system monitor and top different? here for apport-kde http://wstaw.org/m/2012/10/31/plasma-desktopdJ3323.png
[07:13] <msx> noaXess: don't be misguided by the graphical sysmon
[07:14] <msx> it, by itself, consumes more resources and isn't as accurate as console apps
[07:14] <noaXess> msx: jep i think so..
[07:14] <noaXess> i'm searchingfor a simple widget, that shows top ;)
[07:14] <msx> noaXess: top or htop (preferible the first) are your best friends, anything else is kiddy/windows stuff
[07:14] <noaXess> so i don't need everytime open konsole
[07:14] <msx> do you know conky?
[07:15] <noaXess> conky? no..
[07:15] <noaXess> is it a widget?
[07:15] <msx> no, something better ;)
[07:15] <msx> do you know yakuake?
[07:15] <noaXess> msx: okee... let me know ;?
[07:17] <noaXess> msx: this one http://conky.sourceforge.net/, right?
[07:18] <msx> noaXess: let me c...
[07:20] <msx> noaXess: btw, this is how i check top, i have it running all the time in a konsole in yakuake and since i do all my administrative stuff from console i use a lot yakuake (i would say i use it even more than any other graphical app except web browsers) - indeed i'm connected to irc with weechat now, a console/terminal client...
[07:20] <msx> noaXess: yes, that is
[07:21] <msx> noaXess: now check at deviantart or google images for conky and it will rock you up, trust me :) conky's great
[07:24] <msx> noaXess: for a quick cpu usage monitoring i use an applet called "System Load Viewer" by Matthew Dawson, I don't know if it's already available in Kubuntu, do an apt-cache search
[07:27] <noaXess> yakuake??
[07:29] <noaXess> msx: i use CPU Monitor (usage) and Simple CPU Sensor (termal)
[07:30] <noaXess> msx: conky installed.. testing.. ;)
[07:30] <food> I am trying to install kde 4.9 on Ubuntu 12.04 64bit. Should i add this sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports to sources.list?
[07:31] <noaXess> food: why not installing 12.10?
[07:31] <almoxarife> food: yes
[07:31] <food> noaXess, for stability
[07:32] <noaXess> food: hm.. 12.10 is stable enough for me and i use it all the day..
[07:32] <noaXess> but if you need 12.04.. let me check
[07:32] <food> thanks
[07:32] <almoxarife> food: realistically you would be better off with the 12.10 as it is lts, but as you please
[07:32] <noaXess> food: checkout this info: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.9.2
[07:33] <noaXess> food: so your info is correct.. add backports and update/upgrade
[07:33] <almoxarife> food: once you have that ppa updated then you can expect something like a 640meg d/l
[07:33] <food> Thanks for confirmation
[07:34] <food> One more question , I want to remove the Unity-Gnome Completely ...
[07:34] <food> Can you help?
[07:35] <noaXess> food: wait..
[07:37] <almoxarife> food: there is a longwinded sudo apt-get remove line that will do it, google it
[07:38] <almoxarife> food: getting back to pure ????????? <-- google that
[07:38] <food> heh Gnome is sucks
[07:38] <noaXess> almoxarife: yes.. eralier i found a website where alle the comands are on.. from ubuntu to kubuntu, back to ubuntu.. and xubuntu.. and so on..
[07:38] <food> not going back soon though
[07:38] <noaXess> can't find it.. :(
[07:39] <almoxarife> food: insure you have a viable desktop before you do it
[07:39] <noaXess> food: be shure to have konsole access, maybe over ssh
[07:40] <almoxarife> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekubuntu <- food
[07:40] <noaXess> GOT IT... psychocats ;) LOL YES
[07:40] <noaXess> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekubuntu
[07:40] <noaXess> ha.. almoxarife good teamwork
[07:40] <food>  32bit ubuntu just freeze if it is idle for few hours. Maybe bug on kernel, xorg or other things.
[07:40] <almoxarife> :) , google and google-it are my friends
[07:41] <food> ah
[07:41] <noaXess> ha and i had it in my favorites.. but to many favorites ;) LOL
[07:42] <almoxarife> noaXess: you need onboard google, 'recoll'
[07:42] <food> almoxarife, which is the minimal install (not third party software) ...
[07:42] <noaXess> almoxarife: okey..
[07:42] <food> I am reading this http://askubuntu.com/questions/153036/how-do-i-install-only-the-kde-desktop-and-not-apps-on-unity
[07:42] <almoxarife> food: qtrazor/razor-qt?
[07:43] <almoxarife> food: razor runs kde apps, so all the hard work is already done once kde is on the platform
[07:43] <noaXess> almoxarife: maybe i just to open my eays and realize that my bookmarks folder "linux" has a subfolder called "ubuntu" HEHE..
[07:44] <almoxarife> noaXess: i was able to forget where anything was once i had 'recoll' setup correctly
[07:44] <food> Okay, First installing KDE then removing gnome!
[07:45] <noaXess> food: yea.. install kubuntu-desktop should do the job.. and then remove with comamnd fomr psychocats
[07:45] <almoxarife> food: you want to insure you can login to it first,
[07:45] <food> okay
[07:45] <noaXess> food: also, to be on the safe side, install openssh-server and text ssh connection to that machine from another one.. if you have one.. ;)
[07:45] <food> I see i have only 3 link on the sources.list
[07:46] <almoxarife> food: you may also need to install kdm in place of gdm/lightdm, not sure if that wipe affects either
[07:47] <almoxarife> noaXess: no gui?
[07:47] <noaXess> almoxarife: just to be safe, if gui isn't working..
[07:47] <almoxarife> noaXess: i meant on the ssh connection
[07:48] <noaXess> almoxarife: you have command :)
[07:48]  * almoxarife cli's with a gui
[07:48] <noaXess> i always work in command line on my servers... i i get a ssh connection.. if not.. i need to go into my car and drive long ways.
[07:49] <almoxarife> noaXess: i got one server, the HTC, and its in the house
[07:49] <food> I am trying to get the full source from http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/generate.php not sure if it is different for 64 and 32 bit. I first installed the 64bit Ubuntu
[07:50] <noaXess> almoxarife: ? if you have another machne that works.. so connect over ssh is to recover things.. or if on the same machine switch to cli with ALT-F1, but you know that already i think ;)
[07:50] <almoxarife> ok, 3, voip/router
[07:50] <almoxarife> noaXess: i do connect to the htc via ssh/putty
[07:51] <almoxarife> can i ssh into a kindle/rooted i wonder?
[07:51] <food> kde-plasma-desktop - KDE Plasma Desktop and minimal set of applications
[07:52] <almoxarife> food: that's a matter of personal preference now, i use a lot of kde so have a hefty kde
[07:52] <food> I see
[07:53] <almoxarife> food: but when on the road its qtrazor or openbox
[07:53] <food> Okay now i get error: kde-plasma-desktop : Depends: plasma-desktop (>= 4:4.9.1) but it is not going to be installed . Perhaps missing sources?
[07:53] <almoxarife> food: you familiar with kde?
[07:53] <food> yeah
[07:53] <food> using it for long time
[07:54] <almoxarife> food: install plasma-desktop then
[07:54] <almoxarife> food: the dependencies thing is a matter of not having the cart before the horse
[07:55] <food> ?
[07:55] <almoxarife> nevermind
[07:56] <almoxarife> food: you may need to install the core's before anything else, they should pickup the dependencies as they install
[07:57] <food> almoxarife, which package is that? May it be missing any sources list from sources.list? I saw it has only 3 links there
[07:58] <almoxarife> food: not sure about the names in ubuntu, i don't use it, but search for 'core' with synaptic
[09:14] <simplew> i have installed kubuntu but i would like to have the ubuntu login screen, what i need to do?
[09:15] <lordievader> simplew: sudo apt-get install kdm
[09:15] <lordievader> simplew: 12.10 no longer has KDM as default, Light-DM is now the default login manager.
[09:15] <simplew> lordievader: i said i want ubuntu login screen, certainly that would no imply to isntall de kde app like kdm
[09:16] <almoxarife> simplew: certainly would in kde like desktop envo
[09:16] <lordievader> simplew: I'm sorry it seems i misunderstood the question, do you mean the Light-DM then, since that has been the standard Ubuntu login manager since 11.04.
[09:17] <simplew> lordievader: i have lightdm, but i dont have the ubuntu login screen, whats missing?
[09:18] <simplew> lordievader: appears to me its some theme package but i dont which is
[09:19] <lordievader> simplew: There are two packages that might help you with this: unity-greeter and lightdm-gtk-greeter.
[09:19] <almoxarife> simplew: re-install lightdm, is it the only login manager installed?
[09:20] <simplew> lordievader:  lightdm-gtk-greeter. isnt because i have it already instaleld
[09:20] <simplew> lordievader: im gg to try the other one
[09:21] <simplew> lordievader: it requires a llot of packages...hummm
[09:21] <tsimpson> simplew: edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and changing "greeter-session" from "lightdm-kde-greeter" to "lightdm-gtk-greeter" should do it
[09:21] <tsimpson> I'm sure there's a GUI way, but that's the way I know
[09:21] <lordievader> tsimpson: To think that it would be that simple :)
[09:22] <simplew> ok im gg to test it
[09:26] <simplew> tsimpson: lightdm-gtk-greeter has nothing to do with ubuntu login screen :)
[09:28] <simplew> but something is needed to do after doing changes in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf, because when i logout i continued with the same login screen, and since there was no option to restart X in the login screen i was froeced to reboot and then i saw the lightdm gtk login which its far different from the one used in ubuntu, now after doing changes in the .conf file what service is needed to restart so that changes can be applied?
[09:30] <lordievader> simplew: From a tty you can run, sudo service lightdm restart.
[09:31] <simplew> why unity and gtk lightdm dont appear in "kcmshell kcm_lightdm"?
[09:32] <lordievader> simplew: Btw I do think you need the unity-greeter package. That is what I have in my /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf file.
[09:36] <simplew> lordievader: thats kill kde session... but after i isntalled unity-greeter it didnt changed /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf, so i had to do it manually, strange there isnt some app to do this and that unity-greeter and lightdm-gtk-greeter do not appear in "kcmshell kcm_lightdm"...
[09:53] <food> I did an extra thing. I chrooted the iso and installed the kde , plus removed gnome completely. Also i installed ubiquity-fronten-gtk . But when testing the iso on my vm the installer is not comming up anymore.
[09:54] <food> almoxarife, Can you help me please?
[09:55] <almoxarife> food: help with?
[09:56] <food> ubiquity GUI(The Ubuntu installer) is not coming up anymore.
[09:57] <almoxarife> food: ubiquity is what?
[09:58] <food> Ubuntu installer(Try Ubuntu, Install ubuntu)
[09:59] <food> http://pastebin.com/at2jw34m
[10:00] <food> syslog
[10:01] <almoxarife> food: no, i won't be installing ubuntu, i thought we discussed kde and insuring you could log in prior to any deletes?
[10:02] <almoxarife> food: what am i looking at? a borked gnome session?
[10:03] <food> I have chrooted the iso and installed kde then i made the iso again , also removed gnome. It now log in KDE . But when i click on ubiquity it does not come anymore
[10:04] <almoxarife> food: why would it? you wiped it, gnome'? remember?
[10:04] <food> yeah
[10:04] <food> Only have the KDE. So for installing the iso i installed apt-get install ubiquity
[10:05] <almoxarife> food: you have a fully functional kde desktop?
[10:05] <food> installed apt-get install kde-plasma-desktop
[10:05] <almoxarife> food: you have a fully functional kde desktop?
[10:06] <food> yeah
[10:06] <tsimpson> did you install ubiquity-frontend-kde?
[10:06] <food> nah
[10:06] <tsimpson> also, why not start with the Kubuntu ISO and go from there?
[10:06] <almoxarife> alrighty then, say hasta luego to gnome/ubiqualalalala
[10:06] <food> what lanaguage ti is?
[10:07] <almoxarife> english?
[10:07] <almoxarife> i guessed
[10:07] <almoxarife> ti' threw me off
[10:07] <food> hasta luego
[10:08] <almoxarife> hasta luego= see you later (spanish)
[10:08] <simplew> i have set in /etc/sudoers sudo to NOPASSWD but muon continues prompting to enter password when hitting the Apply button, why is this?
[10:08] <simplew> food: ate a procima
[10:08] <simplew> proxima*
[10:08] <almoxarife> sim, se fosse portugues
[10:08] <tsimpson> simplew: because muon uses policykit, not sudo/kdesudo
[10:09] <simplew> tsimpson: but polkit uses the set in sudo, like synaptic does, and synaptic doesnt ask the password anymore
[10:10] <almoxarife> tsimpson: may i suggest sticking with 'synaptic' , yes its not kde, but it is reliable and just works?
[10:11] <tsimpson> simplew: it uses sudo indirectly, it's authenticated over DBus iirc
[10:11] <almoxarife> muon is one kde app i live without
[10:12] <simplew> tsimpson: if you look into polkit policies, muon should not ask a password anymore
[10:12] <simplew> its set to follow sudo grouṕ
[10:13] <tsimpson> simplew: report a bug then
[10:13] <simplew> and if im part of group sudo it should not ask the password anymore, that makes no sense
[10:14] <almoxarife> oh, did i tell you all i rooted my kindle 6.3.1 to android via kde and yes, took some googling to get all the conf stuff right, but i got me a 200 dollar android tablet, glitch free even, thnks, the old lady didn't see relevant
[10:15] <almoxarife> food: i am guessing you have a stable kde desktop now
[10:16] <simplew> tsimpson: seams an issue in kde, when running "kcmshell4 kcm_polkitactions" and click to see a policy it also asks for the password and it should not do it, ill look at this with more attention later
[10:18] <tsimpson> simplew: it's probably polkit-kde-1 then
[10:18] <simplew> it shouldnt even ask a apssword if i didnt set to NOPASSWD in sudoers, since im simply clicking to view a policy, this is definitly a bug
[10:20] <simplew> tsimpson: and by the way, running dolphin as root continues to not allowing to run kde apps from it, and im referring to KDE apps only
[10:21] <food> almoxarife, yeah , But the same i tried to customized the ISO
[10:48] <newbodhi> Codeweavers Crossover Office 11 is free today, you can get your copy from their website :)
[11:20] <svspl> any idea why kernel 3.2.0-32 and 3.2.0-33 doesn't work after upgrade from 3.2.0-31?
[11:20] <svspl> it displays * Starting to configure network device [ OK ] and then hangs
[11:21] <almoxarife> missing headers?
[11:21] <svspl> image/headers/source, everything is installed
[11:22] <almoxarife> is the kernel from a ppa? svspl
[11:23] <svspl> from official repo
[11:24] <svspl> I'm using 3.2.0 as long as I remember, 20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31 and problem starts with 32 and 33
[11:24] <almoxarife> svspl: is there  a distinct diff between 31 and 32?
[11:25] <almoxarife> svspl: a stated diff, not the obvious :)
[11:25] <svspl> dunno
[11:25] <almoxarife> me either
[11:26] <almoxarife> svspl: what version of ubuntu?
[11:29] <svspl> 12.04.1 LTS i386
[11:29] <svspl> i got a clue on another channel to disable networking, gonna try it out, brb
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:28] <Mailman> So I was in here yesterday with a screen brightness problem. The solution was to download newer drivers. It fixed that problem, but now it won't wake from sleep. I'm on an Acer Aspire One which has an AMD Radeon HD 6290.
[12:35] <food> everything solved at least .... It is my day :)
[12:41] <snikker> hi, i've got this error: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0" can yo help me to fix it?u
[12:42] <BluesKaj> snikker, how and when does this error appear ?
[12:45] <snikker> BluesKaj: when i run glxinfo or pdfcube
[12:46] <BluesKaj> snikker, but otherwise your desktop works ok ?
[12:48] <BluesKaj> snikker, have you installed the recommended driver in kmenu>apps>system>additional drivers?
[12:48] <snikker> BluesKaj: yes, but all wich opengl doesn't work
[12:49] <snikker> BluesKaj: i've got nvidia proprietary drivers
[12:49] <tsimpson> snikker: make sure you have libgl1-mesa-glx installed, it should be automatically installed
[12:50] <snikker> tsimpson: libl1-mesa-glx are installed
[12:50] <BluesKaj> snikker, where did you install the drivers from ?
[12:50] <snikker> BluesKaj: from ubuntu repositories
[12:51] <BluesKaj> snikker, nvidia-current  ?
[12:52] <BluesKaj> snikker, I suggest you follow tsimpson's advice , above
[12:52] <snikker> BluesKaj: at this moment i've got nvidia-current-updates, but i've also triednvidia-current
[12:53] <Mailman> So I was in here yesterday with a screen brightness problem. The solution was to download newer drivers. It fixed that problem, but now it won't wake from sleep. I'm on an Acer Aspire One which has an AMD Radeon HD 6290.
[12:54] <snikker> BluesKaj: i've already tried tsimpson's advice but nothing change
[12:55] <BluesKaj> you may have to reboot , snikker
[12:56] <BluesKaj> also run sudo nvidia-xconfig
[12:56] <snikker> BluesKaj: i've already rebooted my machine
[13:00] <BluesKaj> snikker, if you didn't have the libgl1-mesa-glx installed with nvidia-current then you don't know that driver wasn't working for you.
[13:02] <snikker> BluesKaj: i've installedlibgl1-mesa-glx and nvidia-current-updates
[13:04] <snikker> try another rebbot
[13:04] <snikker> *reboot
[13:39] <snikker> now say me that the nvidia driver is activated but not currently in use
[13:39] <BluesKaj> snikker, nividia-current-updates isn't always helpful. It can cause problems for some cards so I stopped using it.
[13:40] <snikker> BluesKaj: ok, now i install nvidia-current and reboot
[15:12] <vmzo> when i quit plasma-desktop with kquitapp and i start it again using "alt+F2", my system tray gets streched like that: http://i.imgur.com/NrcRD.png
[19:46] <W8_4Sleep> I was having a problem with my DWA-140 USB wireless was quite unstable and got "inactive" (but still connected it seemed) after just a few minutes... I found a fix on the net but it doesn't seem that this info is anywhere on the ubuntu forums
[19:46] <W8_4Sleep> is there a way I can add it ?
[20:34] <vadrao> can anybody please let me know what is the window decoration used in this http://opendesktop.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/154245-1.jpg
[20:49] <Fanfare> How to add a sensor to systemmonitor?
[20:49] <Fanfare> I'm missing some battery sensors...
[20:53] <opapo> I am running 11.04 and I want to upgrade to 11.10
[20:54] <opapo> I run "kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade" and it says "No new release found"
[20:54] <BluesKaj> opapo, sudo do-release-upgrade
[20:55] <opapo> I run "sudo do-release-upgrade" and it says "No new release found"
[20:55] <BluesKaj> it's not a devel release
[20:55] <opapo> BluesKaj: still no dice
[20:56] <opapo> is there a repository or package I'm missing?
[20:56] <BluesKaj> opapo, open your package manager , look into the release/upgrades options , and set it to normal instead of LTS
[20:57] <BluesKaj> upgrade manager
[21:00] <BluesKaj> opapo, 11.04 is not an LTS , so the upgrade manager should work
[21:01] <opapo> BlueKaj: I look at kpackagekit and don't see that option to look for normal releases
[21:01] <opapo> is there a file I can look at or another gui I can use?
[21:02] <BluesKaj> look for update-manager-kde opapo
[21:03] <opapo> neither update-manager-kde nor update-manager work
[21:03] <opapo> I get "command not found"
[21:04] <opapo> installing it now
[21:06] <opapo> BluesKaj: Thanks I am upgrading now
[21:07] <opapo> I have run out of space in /boot
[21:07] <opapo> Can I delete the old abi-2.6.38-<16 files
[21:08] <opapo> and such
[21:09] <yofel> opapo: rather remove the kernels with apt
[21:12] <opapo> yofel: thanks
[21:13] <opapo> why are old kernels not removed when new ones are installed?
[21:14] <yofel> there is always a chance that *something* goes wrong, so they're kept to prevent an un-bootable system
[21:31] <marisa> Hey all. I just installed java-jre manually, how do i tell kubuntu that it does infact exist so I can run, say java -jar something from konsole
[21:38] <Marius80> hi
[21:39] <Marius80> Could someone please tell me how I can tell KDE4 to make a border around minimized windows?
[21:39] <Marius80> I used the theme "Vintage" which is exactly what I wanted,  the only bad thing is that there are no borders around the minimized windows in the taskbar
[21:49] <DarthFrog> Marius80: I don't know that I've ever seen any.  Other than when the mouse runs over them.
[21:49] <Marius80> DarthFrog, it usally seems to depend on the theme in use
[21:50] <Marius80> DarthFrog, I can tell you where the option was in KDE3
[21:50] <Marius80> kcontrol -> Desktop -> Taskbar
[21:50] <Marius80> there was something called "Appearance"
[21:50] <Marius80> setting this from "Elegant" to "Classic" made the borders show up
[21:50] <DarthFrog> Marius80:  KDE3 is ancient history. :-)
[21:50] <Marius80> heh, I still use it
[21:51] <Marius80> and before I switch to kde4,  I need to solve these little problems
[21:51] <Marius80> otherwise there is trinity desktop available *heh*
[21:56] <DarthFrog> Is Trinity still being maintained?
[21:57] <Marius80> DarthFrog, yes,  Slavek brouht up the very last version a few days ago
[21:57] <Marius80> DarthFrog, Ubuntu 12.04 is supported now
[21:57] <Marius80> beside some other distros
[21:58] <Marius80> DarthFrog, Ubuntu 12.10 will be supported soon
[22:00] <DarthFrog> I'm glad to hear it's still available for those who want it.  I never had any problems with the KDE 4 series.
[22:01] <DarthFrog> KDE 4.9.2 comes with Kubuntu Quantal.  I find it to be very good.  No issues whatsoever.
[22:03] <Marius80> DarthFrog, actually its rather okay, just a few things are bad
[22:03] <Marius80> DarthFrog, example:  the first minimized window gets a large button
[22:03] <DarthFrog> Bad?  Or just not to your liking?
[22:04] <Marius80> actually bad,  since I don't like 'em
[22:04] <Marius80> :)
[22:04] <Marius80> if there is more that one window minimized,  the buttons referring to the minimized windows in the taskbar have the right size
[22:04] <Marius80> but when there is only one window minimized,  the button referring to this window is laaaaarge
[22:04] <Marius80> and thats ugly :|
[22:06] <DarthFrog> Beauty is in the eye of the beer-holder.
[22:07] <Marius80> heh
[22:07] <Marius80> DarthFrog, is english your first language?
[22:07] <DarthFrog> No, Canadian is. :-)
[22:07] <Marius80> lol,  ok so it's canadian english
[22:08] <Marius80> DarthFrog, could you tell me some search phrases I could use in google?
[22:08] <DarthFrog> For what?
[22:08] <Marius80> for this border thingy
[22:08] <Marius80> I tried:
[22:08] <Marius80> kde4 border around minimized windows
[22:08] <Marius80> kde4 border taskbar
[22:08] <Marius80> kde4 border panel windows
[22:08] <Marius80> do I search for something wrong?
[22:09] <Marius80> maybe I am just missing the right word
[22:09] <DarthFrog> Sounds like you've covered the bases.  Perhaps trying just KDE instead of KDE4.
[22:10] <Marius80> k I'll try that out
[22:10] <Marius80> thank you so far
[22:10] <Marius80> DarthFrog, by the way, the main developer is just in #trinity-desktop
[22:10] <Marius80> we are chatting at the moment
[22:11] <DarthFrog> Good luck.
[22:12] <rsolma> hello. how do you install faenza for kubuntu?
[22:12] <DarthFrog> It is, of course, possible that KDE 4 can't yet do what you're wanting.  You could always suggest it as an enhancement.
[22:12] <DarthFrog> rsolma: What is faenza?
[22:13] <rsolma> an icon theme
[22:13] <Marius80> sorry, me again
[22:13] <Marius80> little question:
[22:13] <Marius80> I downloaded Kubuntu 12.04  and got a little scratch in the CD
[22:13] <DarthFrog> rsolma:  "apt-cache search faenza" turned up nothing.
[22:13] <rsolma> sec
[22:14] <Marius80> if I would md5sum the CD before installing,  could I find out if the CD is still okay?
[22:14] <Marius80> or shall I download and burn it from new?
[22:14] <DarthFrog> Marius80: There is an option on the initial screen to check the validity of the CD.
[22:15] <rsolma> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=143890
[22:15] <DarthFrog> Marius80: If it passes that check, you're fine.
[22:15] <rsolma> its the most popular icon theme
[22:15] <yofel> Marius80: I fear I don't know how to do what you want, but in KDE4 the panel is rendered by plasma(-desktop) and the taskmanager look mostly depends on the theme as far as I know
[22:15] <DarthFrog> rsolma: On that page, there's a link to an installation script.
[22:16] <yofel> so maybe best look for a theme that does what you want?
[22:16] <yofel> (sadly borders seem outdated these days :( )
[22:16] <yofel> (as are colored icons :( )
[22:16] <Marius80> yofel, how bad :(
[22:16] <DarthFrog> rsolma: Looks nice, though.
[22:17] <rsolma> how do i use a installation script
[22:17] <Marius80> yofel, I really had to search long to find vintage which looks pretty much like kde3
[22:17] <rsolma> on a lighter note, kubuntu12.10 seems lik a rock solid release
[22:18] <yofel> rsolma: try to install it from the icon settings
[22:19] <yofel> there is an 'get new themes' and 'install theme file' button
[22:22] <rsolma> how do you download the script
[22:22] <DarthFrog> yofel: Unfortunately, neither faenza nor kfaenza turns up with "Get new Themes".
[22:22] <rsolma> nope
[22:22] <rsolma> it doesn work
[22:22] <rsolma> but it works manually
[22:22] <DarthFrog> rsolma: It is a link to a pastebin.  You'd have to do a screen-scrape and copy to a file.
[22:23] <yofel> DarthFrog: http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/downl.png ?
[22:25] <DarthFrog> yofel: Doesn't work for me???  Strange.
[22:25] <yofel> you did open the search from the icon settings?
[22:25] <yofel> not workspace theme or ...?
[22:25] <DarthFrog> Window decorations.
[22:25] <yofel> wrong
[22:26] <yofel> application appearaince -> icons
[22:26] <rsolma> what is your fav icon theme
[22:26] <rsolma> this is addressed to evrybody
[22:26] <DarthFrog> yofel: Thanks.  That worked.  How can you tell that I rarely deal with the desktop? :-)
[22:27]  * yofel as a dev kinda just sticks to stock oxygen
[22:27] <yofel> I liked the old oxygen icons better though
[22:28] <yofel> DarthFrog: I just followed: http://xkcd.com/627/ ;P
[22:28] <rsolma> http://alecive.deviantart.com/art/kAwOken-244166779
[22:28] <rsolma> this is my fav icon theme
[22:29] <DarthFrog> yofel:  :-)  yeah, that's what I do, too.
[22:29] <yofel> ok, I do know more about system settings than most people. The settings placement is rather unintuitive sometimes :/
[22:29] <rsolma> does kubuntu work well with ati cards
[22:29] <DarthFrog> yofel: In the land of the blind, a one-eyed man is king.  It's amazing how you can get a rep as a computer guru by following that flow chart. :-)
[22:30] <yofel> indeed :D
[22:30] <DarthFrog> rsolma: I ran a Radeon HD 5770 for a few years.
[22:30] <rsolma> im thinking of using fgrlx
[22:31] <yofel> rsolma: I don't have an ATI card, but the open source driver is supposed to be somewhat usable. Catalyst support sucks, but that's an upstream issue.
[22:31] <yofel> from what I heard ATI dropped support for a few cards in the fglrx version that's in 12.10
[22:32] <yofel> so best check their hardware support list
[22:32] <DarthFrog> ATI is always dropping cards off the bottom of the Catalyst list.
[22:33] <DarthFrog> Mind you, other than for gaming, the open source radeon driver is fine.
[22:33] <yofel> rsolma: interesting icon theme - needs the right plasma theme to go with though
[22:34] <rsolma> im just doing graphic work
[22:35] <rsolma> painting
[22:42] <Marius80> re
[22:42] <Marius80> me again,  got a little question
[22:42] <Marius80> what is this error about, please?
[22:42] <Marius80> http://pastebin.com/b2f5USkp
[22:43] <Marius80> the trinity developers say,  that this error makes no sense,  since  libapt-pkg4.12 is a dependency,  and not libapt-pkg4.11
[22:43] <Marius80> beside that,  foomatic-db-compressed-ppds also gives an error
[22:43] <Marius80> the interesting thing:
[22:43] <Marius80> installing this stuff with apt-get  instead of apitutde gives _no_ error
[22:45] <yofel> aptitude is broken on amd64 in at least 12.04 due to multiarch issues
[22:48] <Marius80> yofel, may I PLEASE ask you to join #trinity-desktop and explain that to SlavekB ?
[22:49] <Marius80> he is the developer of trinity desktop
[23:07] <BarkingFish> morning guys. I don't suppose any of you here happen to know how to enable the ctrl+alt+backspace restart for the x server in kubuntu, do you?
[23:08] <OerHeks> BarkingFish, yes ido, type  in kde menu "key" > keyboard settings, 3th tab "advanced"
[23:09] <OerHeks> "key sequence to kill the x server
[23:09] <BarkingFish> excellent, thank you :)
[23:09] <BarkingFish> I was going by google and went to amend something which doesn't exist anymore :P
[23:09] <BarkingFish> google said something about amending /etc/init.d/kdm
[23:09] <OerHeks> I helped with this issue and the reason why few days ago.
[23:10] <BarkingFish> which apparently is now an upstart job, and I understand precisely 0 about upstart.
[23:10] <BarkingFish> personally, would be nice to get rid of it for me (this end, not for kubuntu as a whole) and convert everything back to using init :)
[23:14] <BarkingFish> unfortunately, I'm not skilled enough to do that, so I'm stuck with it.
[23:16] <yofel> BarkingFish: there is also a sysrequest that you can use: sysrq+k (meaning alt+print+k usually) - that'll kill everything on your current terminal (which is X usually)
[23:17] <BarkingFish> yeah, i don't want to just kill it, i want it to restart, which is why I prefer the ctrl alt bksp combo :)
[23:38] <andybrine> evening everyone
[23:38] <xixor> sup
[23:38] <BarkingFish> hi andybrine
[23:38] <andybrine> just having trouble ripping dvds
[23:39] <andybrine> i want to put dvds on my phone and with every program it crashes
[23:39] <andybrine> wondering if anyone hasw come across this before?
[23:39] <andybrine> thought this would be the best place to ask
[23:41] <andybrine> i know this is not very specific, it just seems to be every app when i go to rip
[23:42] <BarkingFish> !illegal|andybrine
[23:43] <andybrine> thankyou for letting me know
[23:43] <BarkingFish> no problem :)
[23:43] <andybrine> this is a purchased dvd ad i would like a copy on my phone
[23:44] <BarkingFish> Ripping DVDs is questionable, since most contain some form of copy protection.  If anyone else is willing to assist you, that's their call, but it would be welcomed if you could take it out of here :)  Thanks!
[23:46] <andybrine> Im not here to get into a debate i would just like to know how i can transfer information onto my phone
[23:49] <BarkingFish> I'm not creating a debate. I'm telling you that what you're asking, you won't get an answer about in here.
[23:50] <andybrine> just want assistance o how i can trasfer video files on to my phone
[23:50] <andybrine> lol
[23:50] <andybrine> there is nothing illigal when it is your own purchased cds
[23:51] <BarkingFish> that's fine - you do it by connecting your phone to your computer via USB, if it has a setting to be used as a hard drive - otherwise you can send them via bluetooth or copy to a memory card if your phone has one.
[23:53] <andybrine> !illegal sure it is :) Hahaha a world of knowledge i here tonight
[23:53] <andybrine> had no idea you could to that :s
[23:55] <andybrine> laymans answer to a complex query
[23:55] <simplew> Riddell: ping
[23:56] <BarkingFish> let me clarify the law for you, as it stands in the UK and Europe anyway:  "Whilst it is not legal to rip a DVD in the UK and Europe, you are allowed to make one backup copy of it for storage on your computer only.  That right does not extend to disassembling, reassembling, or extracting individual clips or media from that DVD"
[23:57] <andybrine> you actually realise there are legal ways to copy files from your mac onto a iphone.
[23:57] <simplew> yofel: ping
[23:57] <BarkingFish> no, I don't, because I use neither, andybrine
[23:58] <BarkingFish> I use linux and an android tablet.  I wouldn't know how to do anything with a mac and iPhone


[03:48] <Bashing-om> S L O W ... call it a night for me.
[09:29] <OerHeks> microsoft goes more and more opensource .. https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2016/01/13/chakracore-now-open/
[09:30] <OerHeks> lack of knowledge, or convinced opensource is the way to go ?
[09:30] <OerHeks> :-D
[11:37] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[14:33] <bluefive> Hello!
[14:34] <bluefive> I'm liking Chromium Browser. Does it have the same spying nature as Chrome?
[14:39] <OerHeks> not if you use bing.com
[14:40] <bluefive> I don't use Bing.com or Google.com
[14:41] <bluefive> The point is..
[14:41] <bluefive> Chromium isn't spyware like Chrome.
[14:42] <OerHeks> well, i am not going to discuss spying, such a waste of time
[14:42] <bluefive> Why?
[14:42] <OerHeks> do you have proof chrome does this?
[14:43] <bluefive> What? You're really asking that?
[14:44] <BluesKaj> yeah, i'm so interesting and have loads of money to spend that chrome spies  on me to send me ads...it's just a compuer following me around trying to get my attention with ads, which are blocked anyway.
[14:44] <OerHeks> !fud
[14:46] <BluesKaj> bluefive, use adblock, and why do you think they care anyway ?
[14:48] <bluefive> Why do you think Chrome and Chrome OS were made?
[14:50] <BluesKaj> to spy on you :-)
[14:58] <bluefive> Probably out of the kindess of their hearts.
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> oO
[15:39] <BluesKaj> really tired of the internet conspiracy theories that users buy into ..as if they're so darn important that companies like google are personally spying on them...it's just a bot trying to sell you stuff ..the inernet is full of ads/commercials, get used to it
[15:46] <OerHeks> or the amazon hoax, what about your music player, any song you play it looks up artwork/lyrics .. hi hi
[22:24] <pauljw> hi everyone


[00:08] <phil42> you can configure the menu with the file manager
[00:08] <phil42> in the places sidebar, click applications
[00:21] <Afdal_> wut
[00:21] <Afdal_> In PCManFM?
[00:22] <Afdal_> you can alter the default debian applications menu with that but there's still a lot more you can do with Openbox menus :o
[00:35] <ianorlin> Afdal_: obmenu is in repos
[01:03] <Afdal_> yeah I know that
[01:04] <Afdal_> just think it would be a good addition to Lubuntu release itself :o
[09:59] <asko> hi! i accidentally removed shutdown from menu bar/panel, how to add it again?
[10:00] <asko> i checked applets but no luck
[10:01] <tipe> asko also lubuntu uses lxde desktop
[10:01] <tipe> on google why not ask
[10:01] <tipe> how to add panel applets in lxde
[10:01] <tipe> or how to add panel applets in lubuntu.
[10:04] <asko> wont help since shutdown shortcut is not available in applets section
[10:05] <asko> hah, my bad for using bad keywords... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1860263
[10:09] <tipe> asko i hope that helps
[10:12] <tipe> asko, http://www.linuceum.com/Distros/osDesktopConfigLXDE.php
[10:12] <tipe> the info is in there justread up
[10:12] <asko> thanks!
[13:21] <ezzo> what are the minimum requirements for Lubuntu
[17:17] <ezzo> test
[17:44] <walid> Bonjour , j'ai un petit soucis de resolution de l'ecran sur Lubuntu quelqu'un peut m'aider ?
[17:44] <Unit193> !fr | walid
[20:59] <walid> bonjour le channel francais?
[20:59] <Unit193> !fr | walid
[20:59] <wxl> darn beat me to it


[08:50] <zyga> good morning
[09:49] <jelmer> hey zyga
[10:11] <zyga> jelmer: hey :)
[12:02] <jelmer> zyga: are you still working on bzr3?
[12:06] <zyga> jelmer: I still have that on my todo list, probably after trusty is out I will have much more time for it
[12:07] <jelmer> zyga: ah, ok


[00:04] <aledrome> hi speak spanish?
[00:06] <aledrome> como instalo sql developer & oracle express edition en ubuntu mate 17.04
[00:07] <aledrome> help me people
[00:07] <aledrome> plaese
[00:07] <aledrome> please
[02:35] <rteyetrwrwgf> How temperature could be adjusted for GPU(Kelvin)? I need diapason of 8000-1000 K. Driver from AMD does not support my graphics card (2014) in U.17
[02:35] <aledrome> how work in safecopy?
[02:42] <rteyetrwrwgf> I only know it's xrandr --output DVI-0 --brightness 0.85 --gamma 0.69:0.69:0.93 It is not comfortable and no contrast adjustment and no temperature. Without the contrast adjustment and temperature it bad for me.
[02:46] <rteyetrwrwgf> Through the script is simpler, but not as convenient as in the GPU driver
[02:53] <rteyetrwrwgf> Me driver need for to configure the monitor, not for gaming. I use script, but in windows it can the GPU driver.
[02:53] <rteyetrwrwgf> xrandr --newmode "1280x960_76.00"  131.75  1280 1368 1504 1728  960<PHONE_NUMBER> -hsync +vsync
[02:53] <rteyetrwrwgf> xrandr --addmode DVI-0 1280x960_76.00
[02:53] <rteyetrwrwgf> xrandr --output DVI-0 --mode 1280x960_76.00
[02:53] <rteyetrwrwgf> xrandr --output DVI-0 --brightness 0.85 --gamma 0.69:0.69:0.93
[02:56] <rteyetrwrwgf> max what i can for monitor configure without gpu driver
[02:57] <rteyetrwrwgf> 8000-10000 K
[02:59] <rteyetrwrwgf> on windows i use contrast -20 brigeness
[03:00] <rteyetrwrwgf> on windows i use contrast -20 brightness  -5 --gamma 0.98(all) temperature 10000k
[03:01] <rteyetrwrwgf> GPU: on windows i use contrast -20 brightness  -5 --gamma 0.98(all) temperature 10000k
[03:03] <rteyetrwrwgf> and in monitor settings: contrast 0 brightness 0
[03:05] <rteyetrwrwgf> lcd monitors are too bright for me even on the zeros
[03:07] <rteyetrwrwgf> And I like 8000-10000 K, not 6500
[03:33] <rteyetrwrwgf> Linux often changing radically, and for 1% of users Linux - AMD won't be remake the drivers.
[03:53] <rteyetrwrwgf> and for Xu15 driver from AMD does not support my graphics card (2014). But in first version xu15 driver support xu15, but xu15 now have new version x11 and the same driver AMD not support xu15, fynny
[03:53] <rteyetrwrwgf> ))))
[03:56] <rteyetrwrwgf> but XP have for my APU GPU driver ))))
[04:03] <rteyetrwrwgf> No new drivers not will be from AMD for this video card for Linux and will not be
[04:14] <rteyetrwrwgf> Humor: and I want to say QT for all, for all and everywhere.
[04:29] <Astro7467> @rteyetrwrwgf: check this page for which drivers to use for your card ; https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg#AMD
[04:39] <rteyetrwrwgf> Let's say I find a driver for a different Linux, but there is no guarantee the new update Linux, driver for the GPU will works. With Xu 15 this is what happened.
[04:39] <rteyetrwrwgf> http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-A4-Series%20A4-4020.html
[04:42] <rteyetrwrwgf> not driver for game without settings for monitor
[04:50] <rteyetrwrwgf> him (driver gpu) need in xu 15 previous x11 - not bug, autoupdate in xu15 x11
[04:51] <Astro7467> If I am digesting the info correctly, you need to use ATI (open source) or Catalyst drivers not AMDGPU / AMDGPUPRO drivers for your GPU
[04:54] <rteyetrwrwgf> ATI (open source) has the same settings (ability to change gamma, contrast, brightness, temperature K, any resolution and any refresh rate) for the monitor as what is in the AMD driver for Windows?
[04:57] <rteyetrwrwgf> i think no, but i not use ATI (open source)
[04:58] <rteyetrwrwgf> i think no, but i not used ATI (open source)
[05:02] <rteyetrwrwgf> "any resolution and any refresh rate" With NVIDIA with it better. AMD have a wide range of resolutions, but with the restriction, from NVIDIA without restriction.
[05:12] <rteyetrwrwgf> You should see who didn't see the nvidia/AMD monitor settings for Windows OS to know exactly about what I'm writing
[05:13] <rteyetrwrwgf> You should see who didn't see the nvidia/AMD driver monitor settings for Windows OS to know exactly about what I'm writing
[15:47] <Lazerman> !find cheese
[15:47] <Lazerman> !info cheese
[16:45] <doge-doge> pinging martin wimpress, pinging martin wimpress...
[16:45] <doge-doge> nevermind afk
[16:46] <doge-doge> does anyone know if automatic updates clean up old kernel images yet?
[16:47] <doge-doge> there's a bug report like 3 years old and still going on that
[16:47] <doge-doge> it's not a problem on arch-based distros but it's still a problem in deb
[16:48] <doge-doge> although on arch there's no really automatic mechanism
[16:59] <Lazerman> I think they are still there, use left shift on boot to see diff kernels
[17:00] <doge-doge> see the problem is if you have an encrypted luks partition, that /boot parition gets filled to the brim and you can't update anything anymore
[17:00] <doge-doge> so it's a manual process to autoremove kernels
[17:02] <Lazerman> Im not running ubuntu.. Im running mint.
[17:02] <doge-doge> a smart method I heard is just run bash autoremove on shutdown
[17:02] <doge-doge> hah well good luck with that, does Mint even mark old kernels as autoremovable?
[17:02] <Lazerman> We have diff update managers
[17:03] <Lazerman> I dont even give them a second thought.
[17:03] <doge-doge> yeah I ran mint for a while, couldn't figure out why they didn't set critical security updates by default
[17:03] <doge-doge> i mean, comon?
[17:03] <Lazerman> They have three levels of pre sets now
[17:13] <Lazerman> !info abs-guide
[17:18] <doge-doge> oh god I think I found it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unattended-upgrades/+bug/1357093 -- "Wishlist"
[21:48] <elena_> y pc cannot receive updates because there's not enough space on disk. what can be done to increase the volume?
[21:51] <Lazerman> Launchpad bug 1357093 in unattended-upgrades "Kernels not autoremoving, causing out of space error on LVM or Encrypted installation or on any installation, when /boot partition gets full" [Undecided,New]
[22:30] <plaindave> hey guys, what's the terminal command for finding the version of ubuntu that I'm running?
[22:32] <plaindave> I can find the version, but how do I find out if it's 64-bit?
[22:35] <rteyetrwrwgf> When we/i can install shap packages? I'm interested in the vlc 3.0 beta he have package snap. In 2020 or 2025 year?
[22:37] <plaindave> forget it, I googled it and found out how to find if I'm running 64-bit or not.
[22:59] <rteyetrwrwgf> I know, how to install snap package. But vlc beta snap I can't installed.
[23:11] <rteyetrwrwgf> if we can't installed snap package vlc, update vlc he have deb package for Debian 9. vlc 2.2.6


[11:24] <tobia> ubuntu mate doesn't seem to read the config.txt under /boot/firmware/
[11:25] <tobia> e.g. I have black borders (overscan)
[11:25] <tobia> how can I check if clocking worked?
[11:27] <tobia> overclocking didn't work either, the file completely is ignored.


[05:57] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- cpaelzer, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4117 UNAPPROVED queue
[11:04] -queuebot:#ubuntu-ci-eng- RikMills, https://bileto.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/4091 Publishing packages
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[20:56] <cjohnston> mhall119: does http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/+junk/qa-dash-init/revision/12 look sain to remove the message about needing ./manage.py init everytime you run a manage command
[20:59] <mhall119> looks okay to me, does it work?
[21:05] <cjohnston> it worked for me.. but id love to have you try it out


[01:56] <kane> hi
[20:07] <qense> hello
[20:22] <Burgundavia> hello
[20:29] <qense> I've got a small idea for the fridge. At the Ubuntu NL planet we've got a Ubuntero of the month. Every month someone is interviewed about his/her life in and out the ubuntu community. The person than appoints someone for the next month. Wouldn't such a thing be nice for the fridge?
[20:31] <Burgundavia> that would rock
[20:31] <Burgundavia> are you able to write it?
[20:31] <qense> I think I would. :)
[20:32] <qense> It's not that much work, you just need to think of the questions and make time to chat with the subject.
[20:32] <qense> s/would/could btw
[20:35] <Burgundavia> sounds good
[20:35] <Burgundavia> fire off an email to ubuntu-news explaining this
[20:36] <qense> I'll do that
[20:44] <qense> sent!


[17:37] <nacc> so I'm 99% sure this diff is very wrong: https://code.launchpad.net/~nacc/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+git/apache2/+merge/327021 ... I can clone those two repos down locally and diff the two refs and I get: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25040631/ . Is this an artifact of the object sharing?
[17:37] <nacc> cjwatson: --^?
[17:38] <cjwatson> Object sharing is an unlikely culprit
[17:38] <nacc> cjwatson: yeah it wasn't immediately clear why that would be, but it's the only thing i can think of :)
[17:38] <cjwatson> Exactly which diff syntax did you use?
[17:40] <cjwatson> The merge diff is actually done by "try a merge and then see what the diff in the merged index is"
[17:41] <nacc> cjwatson: locally? `git diff --stat pkg/debian/sid..nacc/lp1702582` where pkg is the ~usd-import-team remote and nacc is the ~nacc remote for the apache2 src packageds
[17:41] <nacc> ah
[17:41] <nacc> yeah we may be abusing the merge logical :)
[17:41] <nacc> *logic
[17:41] <nacc> cjwatson: it's odd, though, the act of this merge should be a FF
[17:41] <cjwatson> Since the whole point of it is to try to preview what would happen if you merged it
[17:41] <nacc> cjwatson: as debian/sid is an immediate ancestor of lp1702582 in my repo
[17:41] <cjwatson> If you've managed to confuse git's merge algorithms somehow ...
[17:41] <nacc> (the same hash)
[17:41] <nacc> cjwatson: let me see what happens locally
[17:42] <nacc> cjwatson: it's a FF locally
[17:45] <cjwatson> Yeah, I don't see anything obviously wrong and it's EOW for me.  You could dig into lp:turnip (turnip/api/store.py:get_merge_diff) to see if you see anything?
[17:45] <nacc> cjwatson: ack, thanks
[18:04] <nacc> cjwatson: interesting, pygit2 is generating that output, from the index. Debugging why (merge_base on the same commits shows that debian/sid is the merge-base, which implies a FF)
[18:04] <nacc> cjwatson: enjoy your w/e
[18:16] <nacc> rbasak: --^ this might be something for your list, as you come up to speed on launchpad
[18:16] <nacc> rbasak: i'm not sure why it worked in one case, but not in two


[03:25] <daftykins> Bashing-om: morning o/
[03:25] <daftykins> brb
[03:27] <Bashing-om> daftykins: o/ .. been kinda slow ,,, and missing ya .
[03:28] <daftykins> :D
[05:10] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[05:13] <daftykins> mornin' o/
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> hey daftykins :p
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> all ok?
[05:16] <daftykins> yip all good here thanks, just kicking back and gaming after an early morning :) yourself?
[05:17] <lotuspsychje> fine here, drinks n bites yesterday :p so it will be lazy sunday
[05:18] <daftykins> :D
[07:56] <OerHeks> meurning
[08:05] <lotuspsychje> bbl :p
[08:23] <daftykins> OerHeks: morning sir o/
[08:26] <OerHeks> easy sunday morning :-)
[08:27] <daftykins> ^_^
[09:12] <OerHeks> cfhowlett is here to the rescue!
[09:12] <OerHeks> :-D
[09:13] <cfhowlett> oh, hell, what did I just walk into?
[09:13] <OerHeks> oh nothing, we were just 1 person short
[09:23] <daftykins> ^_^
[09:23] <daftykins> one of us... one of us...
[09:37] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:38] <daftykins> heya \o
[09:38] <daftykins> how's lordievader today?
[09:38] <lordievader> Doing okay.
[09:38] <lordievader> How are you?
[09:39] <daftykins> mm all good here thanks
[09:39] <daftykins> should be having a visit from the person i got that cheap laptop and 27" screen for today :O
[09:40] <lordievader> What kind of 27" screen?
[09:40] <daftykins> a HannsG with an IPS panel and 2560x1440 res
[09:41] <lordievader> That is a lovely screen resolution, lots of screen estate :)
[09:42] <cfhowlett> I played with a 27 incher down at my coffee shop.  WAY cool!
[09:42] <cfhowlett> *phrasing!*
[09:44] <daftykins> :)
[09:45] <OerHeks> he walked off the screen ?
[10:02] <daftykins> =[
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> received an old p3, so im gonna put lubuntu on it
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> meurning OerHeks
[10:11] <daftykins> ouch!
[10:11] <daftykins> how bad's the RAM? :)
[10:11] <lotuspsychje> 512 xp default box
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> lubuntu and sell the the box :p
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> its gonna be lil low specs for unity
[10:13] <lordievader> Why? Just why?
[10:13] <lotuspsychje> why what lordievader and good morning :p
[10:13] <lordievader> Why spend time on an old p3...
[10:14] <daftykins> i'm afraid i'd say that selling that as usable is just wrong :(
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> i get it for free
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> free hardware needs ubuntu :p
[10:14] <daftykins> not even lubuntu can bring that kind of museum piece back :>
[10:14] <lotuspsychje> loool
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> how about a lubuntu kids mess box :p
[10:15] <lordievader> That is child abuse...
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> lol
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> ..or early linux learning :p
[10:16] <lordievader> Then they'll think Linux is slow...
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> better then a bloody ipad
[10:16] <lotuspsychje> ill make it fast youl see
[10:17] <lordievader> A 'bloody' ipad is so much faster...
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> but blurs the childs mind
[10:17] <lotuspsychje> linux is creative :p
[10:20] <lotuspsychje> morning cfhowlett
[10:35] <lotuspsychje> hi SeriouslyLaugh
[10:36] <SeriouslyLaugh> hey lotuspsychje
[10:37] <OerHeks> Lotus, 2nd hand shops here refuse sinle core pc's, crt monitors and printers.. why do youwant to revive that p3?
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: im not a shop yet
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks: i think all hardware should be revived
[10:38] <lotuspsychje> why throw away when it still works?
[10:39] <OerHeks> meh, .. untill fire breaks out :-(
[10:39] <OerHeks> i would not run such old hardware in my house.
[10:39] <lordievader> lotuspsychje: Because it is terrible?
[10:39] <lordievader> Not to mention power hungry/
[10:39] <lordievader> ?
[10:39] <OerHeks> hop on your bicycle and grab some hardware here
[10:40] <lotuspsychje> i dont throw away working stuff, even if its teriible
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> im not gonna use it myself
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> just refresh and give it another purpose
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> for all the boxes i installed, i had 1 old compaq that doesnt liked lubuntu and xubuntu
[10:56] <lotuspsychje> so i leaved xp on it
[11:16] <lordievader> Ugh, XP.
[11:17] <cfhowlett> still in use ...
[11:37] <SeriouslyLaugh> bonjour
[11:38] <Casper-> bonjour
[11:45] <lotuspsychje> fr | Casper-
[11:46] <lotuspsychje> !fr
[11:46] <SeriouslyLaugh> !cookie | lotuspsychje
[11:46] <OerHeks> !bonbon | lotuspsychje
[11:46] <SeriouslyLaugh> a for effort
[11:46] <lotuspsychje> lol
[11:48] <SeriouslyLaugh> i'm very hung over and i hate it.
[11:50] <Casper-> SeriouslyLaugh: drink water for ur hangover,  or next time chug water b4 u go to sleep
[11:50] <SeriouslyLaugh> yeah i even thought of that as i was drinking yesterday. "i should stay hydrated"
[11:51] <SeriouslyLaugh> best laid plans
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> OerHeks, lordievader you guys are just so jaleous: http://oi68.tinypic.com/5mn8cz.jpg of my turbo hardware :p
[11:59] <lordievader> Wow O.o
[11:59] <lotuspsychje> lol
[12:00] <OerHeks> you better start a computer museum
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> hahaha
[12:00] <OerHeks> *hips*
[12:00] <lotuspsychje> i think even daftykins drools now
[12:00] <OerHeks> he will buy it.
[12:01] <OerHeks> boat-anchor
[12:01] <lotuspsychje> and it boots under 30 sec!
[12:02] <daftykins> there seems to be some funny text on screen o0
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: its dutch
[12:03] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: welcome to lubuntu...
[12:03] <daftykins> i can't see any spaces XD
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> its because the hardware blings so much
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> too shiny for eyes :p
[12:10] <lotus|PIII> =p
[12:10] <daftykins> l...o...t...u...s... its... slow...
[12:11] <lotus|PIII> lol
[12:11] <lotus|PIII> lets check some system specs here
[12:11] <OerHeks> press power, come back 2 hrs later ..
[12:12] <lotus|PIII> lolz
[12:14] <OerHeks> just joking, have fun with it, lotus|PIII
[12:14] <lotus|PIII> hey ioria
[12:14] <ioria> hi Lotus.... what is |PIII  :þ
[12:14] <OerHeks> i am off, on my bicycle with drabber to my mum, sunday dinner.
[12:15] <lotus|PIII> ioria, my new old free hardware box pentium 3
[12:15] <ioria> wow....
[12:16] <lotus|PIII> http://paste.ubuntu.com/13745854/
[12:16] <lotus|PIII> specs :p
[12:16] <ioria> lotus|PIII, ram ?
[12:17] <lotus|PIII> lets c
[12:17] <daftykins> OerHeks: safe cycle o/
[12:18] <lotus|PIII> 512ram
[12:18] <ioria> wowwwwwwwwwwwwww
[12:19] <lotus|PIII> lol
[12:19] <ioria> lotus|PIII, i'm running an ubuntu server with a pentium M with 215 mb - (hp nc 6000)
[12:19] <lotus|PIII> nice nice
[12:20] <ioria> lotus|PIII, with lxde and you can't believe how good youtube videos  play
[12:21] <lotus|PIII> ofcourse i just refuse to throw away hardware that works
[12:21] <ioria> it can be useful for experiments .... :þ
[12:22] <lotus|PIII> yeah
[12:23] <ioria> lotus|PIII, today if it'll be possible, i'd like to compile and install the Amd driver for its card
[12:24] <daftykins> my system like that is quad core ;)
[12:24] <ioria> :þ.... yeah
[12:24] <ioria> beefy
[12:25] <lotus|PIII> ok shutdown here
[12:25] <lotus|PIII> later
[12:25] <ioria> bye
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:53] <daftykins> o/
[15:18] <daftykins> they PM you for help, you say don't do that it's rude... then immediately reply again in PM o0
[15:39]  * lordievader misses backstory...
[15:47] <daftykins> just that they reply with "sorry" still in a PM :D
[15:51] <BluesKaj> they don't want to apologize in the chat i reckon
[16:26] <daftykins> oh lawd motaka is back
[16:29] <BluesKaj> daftykins, he's already chosen his target and it's not you...yet :-)
[16:29] <daftykins> nah, he knows i won't take any of his bs games ^_^
[16:31] <BluesKaj> TJ was helping some iirc
[16:31] <daftykins> yeah, motaka goes around everyone when he/she doesn't get their hand held sufficiently :D
[16:31] <daftykins> i suggested an ISO hash last, never did see that get done
[16:57] <pauljw> hi everyone
[16:57] <daftykins> heya o/
[16:57] <daftykins> ooh two more to rejoin the party! excellent :>
[16:57] <pauljw> :)
[16:58] <Bashing-om> strap in tight for a wild ride ?
[17:00] <daftykins> hahaha
[17:01] <Bashing-om> Guys, I see that motaka2 Is back on .. have to admire his persistence to get that perfect systrem .
[17:01] <daftykins> lol
[17:01] <daftykins> yeah and managed to hit a bug with nvidia turbocache cards on 14.04 it seems!
[17:01] <daftykins> that kit is just too old
[17:03] <Bashing-om> old hardware is a concern to me also . So far so good, just hope I can keep this ole box alive in 16.04 .
[17:12] <BluesKaj> Bashing-om, how old ?
[17:13] <daftykins> seems to me you have to run middle of the road to get by in Linux land :) you see these folk come in with the latest hardware and so many things don't work
[17:15] <BluesKaj> running 16.04 here on HP amd64 5200+ dualcore cpu. with GT218 Nvidia card and 6Gb RAM on Samsung EVO 859 256Gb SSD, and it runs fine except for the systemd boot delay bug
[17:16] <daftykins> oh what's that bug about?
[17:16] <BluesKaj> correction EVO 850
[17:17] <BluesKaj> daftykins, take 90secs to search for drives while booting
[17:17] <daftykins> ouch!
[17:19] <BluesKaj> apparently it also affects ubuntu, not just kubuntu with plasma5
[17:21] <BluesKaj> i was told it was a plasma problem , but now that I haver the boot list enabled I don't see any plasma related delay there
[17:28] <Bashing-om> BluesKaj: I too run an old dual core Athlon mainboard from 2007, so far 15.04 ubuntu performs well. Hope the same can be said for 16.04 systemd in a minimal install situation .
[17:29] <BluesKaj> yeah Bashing-om my system is from 2008, so not much difference
[17:32] <Bashing-om> BluesKaj: I really like my box .. but an 8 core Athlon sure would be nice !
[17:35] <BluesKaj> Bashing-om, well, super fast is ok, but I have patience, and I'm cheap :-)
[17:38] <Bashing-om> BluesKaj: Uh Huh .. on cheap .. I do not game .. so an old ATI $15 graphics card fits my needs .. What works is 'good nuff' .
[17:39] <BluesKaj> Bashing-om, being retired makes one appreciate old stuff that still works and doesn't cost money
[17:42] <Bashing-om> BluesKaj: I also .. retired on a fixed income .. and ... well I like it that-a-way ! 1st time in my life I get to expend as much time as I want to learn an operating system .
[17:43] <BluesKaj> Bashing-om, exactly! :-)
[17:44] <Bashing-om> when it is all said and done .. my overwhelming choise - after messing about a lot - is ubuntu as my operating system of choice .
[17:47] <BluesKaj> this old pc is mostly used as a media center pc. I'm a kde guy since 2005 and kubuntu is my OS of choice , alth I do dabble in other OSs from time to time on a pe=rtition i have set aside for experimental stuff
[17:47] <BluesKaj> partition even
[17:48] <BluesKaj> tried fedora 23 the other day, but it doesn't like my gpu much, so the "hat" loses
[17:49] <OerHeks>  /clear
[17:49] <OerHeks> did i miss something?
[17:50] <BluesKaj> OerHeks, to do with?
[17:50] <daftykins> must be the foreign distro speak :D
[17:50] <OerHeks> just joking, my dear BluesKaj
[17:50] <OerHeks> :-D
[17:51] <OerHeks> i am so happy, it rained during the way home
[17:51] <BluesKaj> ok OerHeks humour doesn't come thru in plain text very well :-)
[17:53] <BluesKaj> OerHeks, did you sing in the rain?
[17:55] <OerHeks> Yea, and Drabber barked with me
[18:00] <TJ-> What do we recommend for a lightweight desktop for lower power CPUs
[18:01] <BluesKaj> hey TJ- , xfce maybe, I hear it's very light and usable
[18:02] <TJ-> for some reason I had it in my head its usually lubuntu-desktop
[18:03] <OerHeks> I would try Xubuntu too, much nicer than lubuntu
[18:03] <TJ-> I was messing about with an 16.04 install, and noticed that lubuntu-desktop wants to pull in things like libunity, and at least 1 scope, plus loads of gnome. Totalled 1GB and 700+ packages with --no-install-recommends. I hate to think what it'd be with the default recommends
[18:04] <BluesKaj> what DE does lubuntu use?
[18:04] <daftykins> yeah lubuntu is when you're desperate and don't mind your eyes being offended in the process ;)
[18:04] <TJ-> LXDE
[18:04] <daftykins> LXDE afaiui
[18:04] <TJ-> For some reason I had it in my head the usual recommendation was lubuntu so I was confused when I compared it to the xubuntu-desktop
[18:04] <OerHeks> or Openbox, if you don't mind the 3d sizzle
[18:05] <TJ-> Thought I'd discovered some major bloat going on
[18:05] <TJ-> I was messing about with a debootstrap 16.04 install earlier, very bare-bones, and got very annoyed and sensitive when I found that cryptsetup now *depends* on plymouth, which pulls in all the graphical boot splash 'crap'
[18:06] <daftykins> :S
[18:06] <TJ-> I actually went so far as to edit the apt package list, and then the dpkg status file, to change that from a Depends to a Recommends, so I could avoid it, but it made me hyper-sensitve about this dependency/recommends creep
[18:07] <TJ-> I'm going to file that as a bug against cryptsetup, but I doubt it'll be accepted
[18:08] <daftykins> worth a go :)
[18:09] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Have you given consideration to xfce ? Light and very configurable : https://wiki.xfce.org/ .
[18:09] <TJ-> Looks like its been that way since at least 14.04
[18:09] <BluesKaj> that's sort of how I feel about the kde-pim and associated packages , all kinds of stuff I'll never use, but if aI remove any of it, except for kmail and kontact, I dump the whole desktop
[18:09] <TJ-> Bashing-om: yes, that's where I headed. I just had Lubuntu in my head as the more lightweight for some reason, which confused me
[18:09] <TJ-> BluesKaj: it's annoying when it's a dependency, not just a recommends, isn't it?
[18:10] <BluesKaj> yeah, dependencies galore TJ-
[18:10] <TJ-> BluesKaj: maybe we need to simply create alternative 'virtual' desktop packages with our preferred Depends/Recommends, and put them in a PPA?
[18:10] <TJ-> how about blueskaj-desktop ?
[18:10] <TJ-> apt-get install blueskaj-desktop --no-install-recommends :)
[18:11] <BluesKaj> TJ-, thatsounds great , but I haven't the skills to do it myself ;P
[18:11] <BluesKaj> :-)
[18:12] <TJ-> BluesKaj: I think I'll write a script to do it; creating a virtual package (basically just a debian/control text-file with the preferred "Depends: ..." and "Recommends: "
[18:14] <BluesKaj> if you could accomplish that , alot of kde users would love you for it , noakonadi server, baloo file indexser/search etct etc\
[18:15] <BluesKaj> evebn if I purge ceratin pulseaudio libs ...goodbye kubuntu-desktop
[18:15] <BluesKaj> scuse my spelling , think the allergy meds are kicking in
[18:16] <TJ-> I've been working on some neat packaging tricks which achieve what snappy is doing without throwing out the standard .deb package system, and one of those things is providing a way for users's to personalise their packages to a particular system or class of systems (think kernel's built for specific hardware with no never-required modules, and the always-required modules in the vmlinuz image) and
[18:16] <TJ-> libraries built for the particular CPU capabilites rather than lowest-common-denomintator
[18:17] <TJ-> I agree, there's no longer enough granularity for users, it's becoming all-or-nothing
[18:19] <TJ-> I'm also working on adding binary diff updates into .debs which'll allow much smaller/faster downloads, and still be compatible with apt/dpkg that don't understand the bindiff additions
[18:20] <daftykins> time to scoot for now, catch you later, team! o/
[18:20] <TJ-> same here! din-dins
[18:21] <pauljw> later
[21:23] <TJ-> testing
[21:25] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Water is fine, and we have your back / Is that good nuff for testing ?
[21:25] <TJ-> haha thanks yes. I'm on a remote ssh session using Enlightment/Eterm from the test PC, and the background/terminal emulator are making it hard to read the display
[21:26] <TJ-> oh that's better: toggle transparency off :)
[21:28] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Ho kay .. change the background color ? my exterm changed to black - alias xterm='xterm -rv' - in my .bashrc file .
[21:29] <TJ-> ETerm (the E17 terminal emulator) sets a fancy theme; I just had to toggle the transparency in the Background menu
[21:30] <Bashing-om> ^ Yeah was not to show Gramps how to suck eggs .
[21:30] <TJ-> So far got a nice minimal GUI install, although I had to cut plymouth out of the lightdm package dependencies again, like with cryptsetup - that's really getting annoying now :)
[21:31] <TJ-> funniest part so far was finding the mouse was sticky ... literally, my fingers were sticking to the buttons! Had to deploy the IPA to clean some kind of glue substance away
[21:31] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Personaly, I would rather see the boot messages as a pretty color while waiting to boot up .
[21:32] <TJ-> I prefer to see what the kernel and init are up to; very useful to know what to expect so when things go wrong they're easy to recognise instinctively
[21:33] <TJ-> same with reading the log files... read them when everything is working well, that way you'll spot clues when problems occur
[21:34] <Bashing-om> Uh huh, guilty ,, can think of nothing to tweak or do .. read a log file !
[22:08] <OerHeks> DONT !! dont sudo apt-get install phlipple , it is a nasty addictive 3d puzzle game
[22:11] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: Does phlipple intrude on responding on irc ?
[22:11] <OerHeks> no, there is no time involved
[22:16] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: I may have to test ! Size: 35918 , fairly heavy on the graphics ?
[22:18] <OerHeks> no, i think it should be portable to ubuntu phone too.
[22:20] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: K; IF I do this, will you volunteer to save my sanity ?
[22:26] <OerHeks> i am sure you would not be the same :-D
[22:27] <OerHeks> meh, just a funny game you should see :-)
[22:28] <OerHeks> it gives a sense of space and movement and logic
[22:30] <Bashing-om> LOL, I just may as Solitair is getting old .