[00:00] <sistpoty> (and don't ask about my mail setup, it's just horribly broken atm, and I'm using kmail at work box even from home)
[00:01] <slangasek> sistpoty: done
[00:01] <sistpoty> thanks!
[00:03]  * sistpoty needs some sleep now... gn8 everyone
[00:04] <mdeslaur> pochu: would you object to me backporting the GtkStatusIcon stuff to lucid's liferea so the tray icon looks pretty with the new theme?
[00:05] <Linux000> Is this where anyone wanting to start out fixing bugs/developing for ubuntu should be?
[00:05] <mok0> Yep
[00:05] <persia> Linux000: This is one of many places that it's good to start.
[00:05] <Linux000> thanks
[00:05] <persia> Linux000: What sort of work do you like to do, and how familiar are you with debian-format packaging?
[00:07] <Linux000> persia: I am just starting out with packaging, so not much
[00:07] <persia> Are there any particular areas that interest you?
[00:09] <Linux000> Right now, I don't know much about it, so not really
[00:10] <persia> In that case, I'll recommend you get started with bugsquad.  Reviewing the bugs, and working with packages to test things is a great way to build deeper understanding of how things work.
[00:11] <Linux000> Thanks
[00:11] <persia> Since you have an interest in development, you're sure to encounter some bugs that you have some idea how to fix.  Ask questions here, and we'll help or send you to people who may know better.
[00:11] <persia> The bugsquad tends to hang out in #ubuntu-bugs, and there's lots of good docs in the /topic there.
[01:51] <Linux000> Anyone know how to search for bytesize bugs in launchpad?
[01:54] <Pici> !bitesize
[01:54] <Pici> Linux000: ^^
[01:55] <Linux000> didn't know that(new to irc) thanks
[01:58] <itachi> hello
[02:02] <pochu> mdeslaur: not really, but test it thoroughly :)
[02:02] <pochu> mdeslaur: why does it look bad, the new theme is transparent?
[02:03] <itachi> pochu: what up, d0c?
[02:03] <mdeslaur> pochu: bug #532789
[02:15] <itachi> ejat: wah...
[02:15] <ejat> ?
[02:17] <itachi> ejat: orang indo?
[09:12] <zgreg> I'm still a bit confused about the feature freeze exception process.
[09:12] <zgreg> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libass/+bug/529860
[09:12] <zgreg> "please go ahead", that's not meant for me, is it? since I don't know what I should do :)
[09:18] <dbell> Hi, I'm wondering if anyone can help me here. I've packaged my game and I've got a .desktop file that gets placed in /usr/share/applications and when installing package it says that its rebuild the desktop.cache file (and my game is listed in there, and seems to be complete). I can see my icon in the /usr/share/applications folder - but it's not appearing in the Menu. This is lucid btw (and I've tried installing on karmi
[09:18] <dbell> c and it appears in the menu). Is there anything specific I need to do to get my icon in the menu on lucid?
[09:23] <randomaction> zgreg: if you don't have the upload rights, the sponsors will pick this bug up
[09:25] <randomaction> dbell: try installing the icon in /usr/share/pixmaps
[09:27] <dbell> in addition to having them in /usr/share/icons/hicolor?
[09:27] <zgreg> randomaction: ok
[09:27] <zgreg> that's all I need to know, thanks
[10:26] <randomaction> dbell: I thought you had the icon in /usr/share/applications. Anyway, one instance of icon should be enough. Refer to http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktop-entry-spec and http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/icon-theme-spec
[10:29]  * persia notes that if several versions of an icon are available, hinting the icond cache can provide a better user experience
[10:36] <dbell> randomaction: thanks. I think my .desktop file is fine, desktop-file-validate ran fine, and in karmic, it appears in the menu. Just when installing in lucid it doesn't.
[10:43] <persia> dbell: Could you pastebin the .desktop file (or otherwise point me at it)?
[10:47] <dbell> yea sure, gimme a sec
[10:48] <dbell> persia, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/389509/
[10:51] <persia> Try "Categories=Game;ActionGame;" or "Categories=Game;ArcadeGame;"  There's some logic in the games menu to group/select games which might cause that.  I can't see anything else that might cause it not to appear.
[10:52] <dbell> ok I'll give it a try
[10:55] <persia> dbell: Hrm.  That doesn't seem to be it.  There's something else wrong, which is masking lots of .desktop files.
[10:55] <dbell> yea, was just about to say... did not work
[10:55] <dbell> is /usr/share/applications the only place I need to install the .desktop file?
[10:55] <persia> Yes.
[10:56] <persia> There appears to be a regression in gnome-menus.
[10:57] <dbell> so the mistake is on lucid and not with my package/.desktop file?
[10:58] <persia> The only issue your .desktop file had was with not specifying the *type* of game.
[10:58] <persia> That's a minor bug, but worth fixing.
[10:58] <persia> There's something else wrong.
[10:58] <dbell> well, I changed that now - added ArcadeGame as suggested.
[11:03] <persia> dbell: I don't understand what happened.  I had your bug replicated, even refreshing the menu cache a few times.  I moved a file, copied it back, and edited it.  Then the menu worked, without a cache refresh.  I moved the original file back overwriting my edits.  I then refreshed the cache a few times, and it's still fixed.
[11:04] <persia> dbell: If you can figure out what changed that made it not work, please report a bug, but I can't figure it out from the state of my local environment :(
[11:22] <dbell> persia: thanks for your help anyway :(. When you say find out what changed to make it not work, do you mean what changed in karmic version to lucid version?
[11:23] <persia> Actually, I suspect it was in the last few days.  Test with Lucid Alpha 3: that likely works.
[11:24] <persia> Wouldn't surprise me if it was a side effect of work on bug #517616 although it might be something else.
[11:24] <dbell> ah good idea. Thanks I will do (and then if It works in alpha 3, and doesn't work with "current" lucid - which it doesn't) I should file a bug, saying that it works in a3 and broken now?
[11:27] <sebner> Please tell me that there is a gconf value for the changing the windows controls back (from the left to the right) or /me waves goodbye
[11:28] <persia> dbell: Looks like it's an artifact of continuous upgrades, and one has to regenerate the cache if one ever had a buggy version.
[11:30] <dbell> Ah, so all the upgrades might have caused this?, How do you regenerate the cache?
[11:31] <persia> See comment #10 in that bug.  If that doesn't work for you, something else is wrong.
[11:32] <persia> I don't know why mine works right now, or how I made it work.
[11:59] <dbell> persia: sorry for delay. comment #10 didn't work. I'm going to try it with alpha-3 soon. Also didn't work with moving and copying the files back that you suggested earlier.
[12:00] <persia> dbell: I wouldn't actually expect what I did to work.  There's no good reason for it.  But the half of my menu items that were missing magically appeared again (and I don't know why)
[12:00] <persia> That *should not* have done anything.
[12:01] <persia> That's why I'm asking you to file a bug, because you still have the symptom.
[12:01] <dbell> yea, I will. Which package? gnome-menus?
[12:07] <persia> dbell: If you're using GNOME: gnome-menus.
[12:07] <persia> If you're using something else, your menu provider.
[12:46] <jetienne_> q. i got a .deb generated by checkinstall. And i would like to upload it in a repository managed by mini-dinstall. but mini-dinstall seems to require a .changes and checkinstall doesnt provide it. Any suggestion on how to fix this ?
[12:46] <persia> don't use checkinstall :)
[12:46] <jetienne_> persia: well this is not me using it :) aka not in my control
[12:46] <persia> more seriously, it's potentially possible to make it work, but the amount of effort required is likely larger than packaging it properly in the first place.
[12:47] <persia> jetienne_: Do you have source?
[12:47] <jetienne_> persia: i was thinking about building my own .changes... is that ferasable
[12:47] <persia> It is, but there are easier ways to work around it.
[12:47] <jetienne_> persia: yep
[12:47] <persia> Excellent.  If you have source, you can package it properly.
[12:47] <jetienne_> persia: ok listening for anything easy :)
[12:47] <jetienne_> you said easy :)
[12:48] <persia> I did.
[12:48] <jetienne_> ok building a pacakge of a full window manager, which i didnt wrote, is not easy for me
[12:48] <persia> Do you need to do anything special to build it, or is it just python-distutils, or simple ant, or make; make install, etc. ?
[12:48] <persia> I will attempt to prove you wrong :)
[12:49] <jetienne_> believe me, you cant :) i wrote like 4 packages this weak, and the 5th is not under my control
[12:50] <jetienne_> persia: all repositories managers requires the .changes ?
[12:50] <persia> All the good ones.
[12:50] <jetienne_> persia: ok what are the bad ones :)
[12:51] <persia> The only one I know is manual management of files and manual editing of the Packages file.
[12:51] <persia> That's completely unautomated, likely to break in unexpected ways, and infinitely flexible.
[12:51] <jetienne_> yep
[12:51] <jetienne_> ok so no good solution for me .... not sure what to do
[12:51] <jetienne_> persia: i understand your point about proper packaging tho. thanks for your h
[12:51] <jetienne_> elp
[12:52] <persia> Shouldn't take more than 30-45 minutes to package it.  Are you sure?
[12:52] <persia> (can take 5 if the licensing is clean)
[12:52] <persia> (can take weeks if the licensing is insane and the buildsystem is dysfunctional)
[12:53] <jetienne_> persia: for you. for me this is like 3h with proper help. and then 1 week to convince external people, then *i* have to maintain his package for life :)
[12:53] <jetienne_> persia: but be sure i do appreciate your help. may be back soon if i can convince the other personn
[12:53] <persia> For me, it usually takes about 20-30 minutes to teach someone to package something properly whilst they do it.  You sure you don't want to try?
[12:53] <jetienne_> :)
[12:54] <jetienne_> persia: im sure i dont now, yes. because my wife is calling for lunch ;)
[12:54] <persia> OK.  I'll likely be in prolonged idle when you get back from lunch, but catch me another time.
[12:59] <persia> Cool!  edit-patch hit lucid.  No more worries about which patch system is in use.
[13:00] <persia> (but no manpage for edit-patch :( )
[13:00] <sebner> persia: hrm hrm hrm?
[13:00] <persia> sebner: Feel like writing a manpage?
[13:00]  * sebner doesn't even know that edit-patch is (besides I should really quit IRC and start learning)
[13:01] <persia> If you're not studying for your exam, you can be learning about edit-patch :)
[13:02] <sebner> persia: that's the problem, If I don't start studying soon I'll not doing it at all which is good for Ubuntu but really bad for me ^^
[13:02] <persia> Then you might want to close/hide your IRC client :p
[13:04] <sebner> persia: If that would be that easy .. :P
[13:04] <persia> You set up your computer to have IRC in a hard-defined region of your root window?
[13:05] <sebner> heh
[13:05] <sebner> persia: citat: The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.
[13:05] <persia> Anyway.  It's not that hard to stop paying attention.  Watch:
[13:08] <sebner> persia: I'm watching ;)
[13:12] <sebner> persia: Do you intend to write something? ^^
[13:14] <mok0> sebner: I think he's paying attention... to other things :-)
[13:14] <sebner> mok0: I thought he wanted to write something after "Watch:"
[13:15] <mok0> sebner: "watch me paying attention to other things" :-)
[13:15] <mok0> ScottK around  yet?
[13:17] <sebner> mok0: ohohoo, I missunderstood xD
[13:17] <mok0> sebner: IRC will be your doom :-)
[13:18] <sebner> ACK
[13:18] <sebner> christoph_debian: around?
[13:19] <mok0> Hmm, sunny outside today... time for a walk. BBL
[13:19] <sebner> hf mok0
[13:19] <mok0> sebner, thx
[13:22] <christoph_debian> sebner: ja
[13:24] <dbell> persia: I've filled a bug #533264 is there anything that I've missed that should be included?
[13:24] <sebner> christoph_debian: supertux misses a .desktop file. There is supertux2.desktop but it doesn't get installed, I edited *.install to ship it but there is the problem with the icon which is in ./games/supertux2/images/engine/icons/supertux.png
[13:25] <christoph_debian> sebner: oh
[13:26] <christoph_debian> hm probably adding the icon to *.links can have a look later (awesome user so don't necessarily see fdo menus)
[13:26] <sebner> heh
[13:27] <sebner> christoph_debian: anyways, I wait until the sync is processed and then we have to fix it, just wanted to let you know as I'm now really out studying
[15:05] <lfaraone> Can I use CDBS to build a Python C extention which uses a makefile for all supported Python versions?
[15:05] <lfaraone> (preferably with minimal overrides)
[15:05] <lfaraone> I understand how to do so if upstream used setup.py, but alas....
[15:10] <DktrKranz> lfaraone: yes, IIRC
[15:10] <DktrKranz> dh7 (from 7.3.5) for sure, though
[15:11] <lfaraone> DktrKranz: in "zen mode"?
[15:11] <DktrKranz> oh... no. I misread. It works only for distutils-based packages
[15:11] <lfaraone> DktrKranz: so I figured :(
[15:12] <DktrKranz> lfaraone: if you need a working example, I can provide one (it uses dh7, but can be easily adjusted)
[15:12] <lfaraone> DktrKranz: I'm not wedded to cdbs, I'll suse what ever works.
[15:13] <DktrKranz> lfaraone: http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/python-modules/packages/pyparted/trunk/debian/rules
[15:25] <dupondje> somebody feels working on opensync/synce ?
[15:33] <azeem_> dupondje: in which way?
[15:34] <dupondje> well It needs some adjustmens
[15:34] <dupondje> cause now
[15:34] <dupondje> its just doesn't work ... :(
[15:34] <azeem_> I don't think it will work even with adjustments
[15:35] <dupondje> had it working once
[15:35] <dupondje> but its a mess :( sadly
[15:40] <dupondje> seems like there was put some work in multisync etc, but its useless without good backend imo :(
[15:46] <dupondje> azeem_: you know if there is an alternative ? :(
[15:47] <azeem_> for synce?
[15:47] <azeem_> there's syncevolution for evolution<->syncml syncing
[15:50] <dupondje> azeem_: to sync evolution with windows mobile device
[15:50] <azeem_> I don't think syncevolution does that yet
[15:56] <dupondje> its sad :(
[16:16] <ryanakca> Is it possible to sync package foo from Debian when foo_1.0.1.orig.tar.gz differs in Ubuntu and Debian?
[16:16] <Caesar> crimsun: I've just uploaded a new pacparser to unstable that pretty much addresses all of the changes you made to it in Ubuntu
[16:16] <jpds> ryanakca: No.
[16:16] <ryanakca> jpds: *sigh*, thanks
[16:17] <Caesar> crimsun: how do I get 1.0.9-2 into Lucid?
[17:49] <crimsun> Caesar: simply request a sync of pacparser 1.0.9-2 from Debian unstable main
[18:01] <blueyed> Is it expected behavior that "sudo strace -p $(pgrep X)" freezes the system after some seconds? (from KDE konsole)
[18:05] <hyperair> no, i don't think so
[18:25] <randomaction> Can I assume that clean target is always called before building? This seems to be true for buildds, but Debian policy is a bit unclear about this.
[18:29] <AnAnt> clean target is called before build target, yes
[18:39] <randomaction> So if I unpack the source package and call "fakeroot debian/rules binary", the build is not guaranteed to succeed, right?
[18:58] <paissad_> hi all, do you think possible to get dpkg tools, maintainers tools & so on ... every tool needed to create a .deb package in another system like freebsd for example ?
[19:33] <randomaction> paissad_: Debian has a freebsd port
[19:33] <paissad_> randomaction, i googled some, .... i thought about debootstrap
[19:33] <paissad_> actually, i will use slackware ... not a bsd !
[19:35] <randomaction> so, can you run debootstrap on slackware? I don't know
[19:35] <paissad_> randomaction, what were you thinking ?
[19:36] <randomaction> I think I didn't understand your question
[19:38] <paissad_> randomaction, did you already try debootstrap once ?
[19:38] <randomaction> I only ran it on Ubuntu
[19:38] <paissad_> ok
[22:30] <sistpoty> mr_pouit: would you be willing to act as ubuntu-release delegate for xubuntu packages in universe?
[22:30] <mr_pouit> sistpoty: yeah, sure, no problem
[22:30] <sistpoty> mr_pouit: cool, thanks!
[22:31] <sistpoty> highvoltage: would you be willing to act as ubuntu-release delegate for edubuntu?
[22:54] <arand> How do I change the editor used for dch, and where are the settings trored anyway?
[22:54] <arand> s/trored/stored/
[22:55] <jdong> $EDITOR
[22:55] <jdong> environment :)
[22:56] <hyperair> or $VISUAL
[23:00] <arand> jdong: hyperair: hmm, neither of those seem to have a value set if echoed..
[23:00] <jdong> arand: sensible-editor is the fallback of dch when no value is set.
[23:00] <jdong> but per-user, the recommended way to change the editor preference is EDITOR or VISUAL
[23:01] <jdong> a lot more commands obey the environment variables compared to the sensible-editor fallback.
[23:01] <arand> jdong: So that is what the initial prompt does?
[23:06] <hyperair> sensible-editor seems to use VISUAL and EDITOR as well. so if dch just uses sensible-editor all the way, it'd work too
[23:08] <sistpoty> ScottK: got some insight for FFe bug #527982? would you be willing to do new handling?
[23:20] <arand> hyperair: Ah, got it. ~/.selected_editor *facepalm
[23:48] <duanedesign> what is the LP tag for a bug report that has a patch attached?


[01:04] <coreire> I installed Lubuntu 13.10 on a system that I want to use as a media/file server. I edited /etc/default/grub and set GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT to "text" so that it wouldn't start a graphical session because I don't want to waste resources when it's running as a server. I'd like to be able to start a graphical session when I want to but if I type "startx" it just boots to a black screen.Any tips on how to fix the startx problem or on a better
[10:57] <counter> hi, my lubuntu ignores vino @ autostart, it is selected at the desktop settings and the vino.desktop file is placed at .config/autostart/vino.desktop  http://pastebin.com/yBpb5cwU
[11:04] <counter> is something wrong at the desktop file? I can not see why ..
[11:16] <diecastarts> hello all.. BACKSTORY been having a problem logging into my normal DesktopE' unless i'm uses the guest account or a different desktop. have some people try to help but no good. But I was thinking it maybe because it was set to auto login. when this start i had a game crash and rebooted the computer and it goes to the login screen but when i try to login it goes black for a second and then back to the login again
[11:16] <diecastarts> So my question is what file would hold the setting for the auto login I think if i turn that off and reboot it should fix the problem
[11:17] <diecastarts> ????
[11:28] <lancelot_> Hello, I can't access youtube.com
[11:28] <diecastarts> i'm still pretty new to linux but what happening. any errors or odd things happen..
[11:29] <diecastarts> but a tip you have to learn to ask question or people will normally never answer you questions here
[11:29] <lancelot_> Are you asking me, diecastarts?
[11:29] <diecastarts> yeah
[11:29] <lancelot_> Well, I don't know what to tell you,
[11:30] <lancelot_> youtube.com is unavailable, when any other site is....
[11:30] <diecastarts> if ya try clean you internet temp files
[11:30] <lancelot_> It didn't start right away from a fresh install
[11:31] <lancelot_> So i don't thim=nk is the temmp folder
[11:31] <diecastarts> using firefox or chrome
[11:31] <lancelot_> firefox
[11:31] <lancelot_> but it happened the same on other pc
[11:31] <diecastarts> ohh can ya get to the site but the videos are not showing up?
[11:34] <diecastarts> I am guessing you may not have installed the Ubuntu-restricted-addons
[11:35] <diecastarts> that adds all things like the stuff you need to play dvd's and also installs stuff like gstreaming ectect to run alot of things
[11:37] <diecastarts> lancelot_,
[14:50] <keiserr> hi, am trying to install lubuntu on an old pentium machine, 128MB ram.
[14:50] <keiserr> I used the alternate iso ofcourse
[14:51] <keiserr> problem is, it doesn't detect my usb keyboard, which does work up to the bios menu.. but stops working the morning i get that choose your language option
[14:52] <keiserr> *the moment I get to ..
[14:53] <keiserr> can i somehow use another minimal ubuntu version to boot form that, so as i can get keyboard functionalities there and do an upgrade from that using the lubuntu cd inside without having to reboot?
[14:58] <holstein> !mini | keiserr
[14:59] <holstein> i would probably try TTY.. and it still could be hardware releated on older hardware like that
[16:26] <counter> pushing my problem ;) my lubuntu ignores vino @ autostart, it is selected at the desktop settings and the vino.desktop file is placed at .config/autostart/vino.desktop http://pastebin.com/yBpb5cwU
[18:10] <counter> the autostart desktop file is working at another pc ... but not on my ... could that be deactivated somehow? if I use terminal, it is not even showing up and it is checked for autostart at desktop session setting
[18:19] <vn151502510> counter: most desktop files in ~/.config/autostart have OnlyShowIn Not in LXDE, not sure still working. But I figure out a way: create a bash file with content like sleep 4; pcmanfm "desktopfile"; sleep 4; pcmanfm.... Put bash file in manual auto start file in ~/.config/lxsession/Lubuntu/autostart. And it works
[18:29] <counter> why? pacmanfm? "sleep 4; pcmanfm ~/.config/autostart/vino.desktop; " like that?
[18:29] <vn151502510> pcmanfm can run desktop file
[18:31] <counter> ok, I try, thanks
[18:37] <counter> it is working, awesome :D
[20:54] <aristoteles> hello lubuntu room.  i've just installed lubuntu 13.10 on a dell inspriron with amd a6 apu and radeon 'temash'.  strangely, after install, i reboot and all is fine, but on my second boot, x crashes.  i've tried many things and actually gone through the entire process twice now.  i've got all the info you need about hardward and packages and whatnot.  if anyone is around to discuss, please reply.
[20:55] <aristoteles> the strangest thing is the way the live usb works fine, and the first reboot is fine, but subsequent reboots leave X unable to start.
[20:56] <aristoteles> i have all error logs and hardware logs ready to paste if you are interested.
[20:57] <holstein> aristoteles: you are applying updates?
[21:10] <aristoteles> holstein, no
[21:10] <aristoteles> well, sorry let me be more specific
[21:10] <holstein> aristoteles: something is happening
[21:10] <holstein> aristoteles: when you look at what *is* happening, we should be able to see what it causing the trouble
[21:10] <aristoteles> on the install, i clicked 'download updates while installing'.  the initial reboot booted into a working x server
[21:11] <holstein> aristoteles: and, you get the login screen?
[21:11] <aristoteles> yes, i was able to log in and use the desktop
[21:11] <holstein> aristoteles: ok
[21:11] <aristoteles> then upon rebooting, x crashes and no login screen.  i can use the computer with a tty, but starting x crashes
[21:11] <holstein> aristoteles: so, you install.. then, you login and eveything is fine
[21:11] <holstein> *then* the *next* time.. can you get to the login screen?
[21:11] <holstein> no
[21:12] <aristoteles> in that mode, i did do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade to see if it would help, several packages updated, but that hasn't helpsed
[21:12] <holstein> but, tty *does* allow you to login?
[21:12] <aristoteles> holstein, exactly.
[21:12] <aristoteles> yes, the system is working fine.  i can paste the xorg.0.log if you like
[21:12] <aristoteles> i can generate two types of errored xorg.0.logs.
[21:13] <aristoteles> using the liveusb, i had to boot with nomodeset.  and the successful reboot also requried nomodeset.
[21:13] <aristoteles> now x crashes with our without nomodeset but the error is differnet in the xorg.0.log
[21:13] <holstein> aristoteles: and now, with nomodeset, all is well?
[21:13] <holstein> ok
[21:13] <holstein> let me make 2 suggestions
[21:13] <aristoteles> if it were working with nomodeset then all would be as it was with the liveusb.
[21:13] <holstein> aristoteles: try an xorg.conf with the vesa driver
[21:14] <aristoteles> please suggest away.
[21:14] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1270209
[21:14] <holstein> the other is to blow out your user config, but, i dont think thats going to matter, since the login screen is not loading
[21:15] <aristoteles> let me try with this xorg.conf thanks for the suggestion.
[21:16] <aristoteles> currently i have no xorg.conf so i'm going to create one in /etc/X11/ and type startx.
[21:16] <aristoteles> lol, i'm going have to have to do wget on that page to get the conf, since i have no desktop browser.
[21:16] <aristoteles> ermm, no desktop at all.
[21:17] <holstein> aristoteles: i would put the on i linked in place, and reboot
[21:17] <holstein> aristoteles: i can PM it to you if you need
[21:20] <aristoteles> thanks, holstein, i'm actually using irc on another computer
[21:20] <aristoteles> thankfully, i'm quite skilled in vi, so wget and a few regexes means i've got this.
[21:20] <aristoteles> just had to answer a phone call for a moment there.
[21:22] <aristoteles> ok rebooting now, i hope this helps :)
[21:23] <aristoteles> nope, X still crashed, looking in Xorg.0.log (i booted with nomodeset)
[21:24] <aristoteles> different error than before.   V_BIOS address 0x0 out of range
[21:24] <aristoteles> shall i paste this log for you?
[21:25] <holstein> aristoteles: dont boot with nomodeset and that xorg
[21:25] <holstein> aristoteles: just boot normally with the xorg.conf in place
[21:25] <aristoteles> holstein: actually it was the same error as before.  i will remove nomodeset and reboot.
[21:25] <aristoteles> holstein: doing as you say now...
[21:28] <aristoteles> strange, x did not start, but something seems stuck.  i see a mostly black screen with noise in the background and a cursor flashing in upper left.  but i cannot access any ttys with ctrl+alt+F1-F6?
[21:28] <holstein> aristoteles: you can feel free to post logs
[21:28] <holstein> aristoteles: also, you can try #ubuntu or other larger communities, since its likely not related to lubuntu or lxde specifically
[21:29] <aristoteles> holstein, you are probably right about that.
[21:29] <holstein> i would try and go back to the basics.. test the memory and the hard drive
[21:29] <aristoteles> holstein, i'm not sure how to save this log, since the computer seems stuck, i can power cycle it but then perhaps xorg.0.log won't be saved.
[21:29] <holstein> a bad hard drive could change the data and cause issues
[21:30] <aristoteles> holstein, i see. do you have a particular test program you recommend?
[21:30] <holstein> aristoteles: i use the ultimate boot cd.. but, there are tools from the live CD i use.. gsmartcontrol and just the memtest in the grub menu
[21:32] <aristoteles> holstein: does Xorg.0.log.old always contain the penultimate xorg log?
[21:33] <holstein> aristoteles: id just have to see it
[21:33] <holstein> and, even then, it may not mean anything to me
[21:34] <aristoteles> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6984050/
[21:35] <aristoteles> penultimate means 'second-to-last', it seems that the hanging boot with the xorg.conf+without nomodeset didn't end up saving an xorg.log
[21:36] <holstein> aristoteles: for my dollar, i would personally just try a different version.. even 14.04, even though its not released yet officially
[21:37] <aristoteles> holstein, i don't have any reason not to try that.
[21:37] <aristoteles> this is a brand new computer.
[21:37] <holstein> aristoteles: right.. also, is this a *new* machine? like new to you with ueif?
[21:37] <holstein> !uefi
[21:38] <holstein> could be related to that...
[21:38] <aristoteles> holstein: it absolutely could be.  it's definetly the first machine i've ever had to deal with that has uefi.
[21:39] <holstein> i would suggest just trying to disable that in the bios
[21:39] <holstein> not the uefi.. but "secure boot", or whatever could be messing you pu
[21:39] <holstein> up*
[21:39] <aristoteles> do you think i should add 14.04 to sources.list and do apt-get dist-upgrade or create a new lie usb?
[21:39] <aristoteles> i believe that i have secure boot off and uefi on instead of legacy boot.
[21:39] <holstein> aristoteles: i personally dont dist-upgrade
[21:39] <aristoteles> currently
[21:40] <holstein> an install takes like 8 minutes.. dist-upgrade takes hours
[21:40] <aristoteles> holstein you are right about that.
[21:40] <holstein> aristoteles: i wish you well.. i need to run for a bit.. cheers and good luck!
[21:41] <aristoteles> FYI: here is the xorg log without an xorg.conf and without nomodeset, the error is different, it's a segfault from aX.
[21:41] <aristoteles> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6984082/
[21:41] <aristoteles> thanks for the help, holstein.
[21:41] <aristoteles> i just saw the time and i have to go too.
[21:42] <aristoteles> i'll try this again later.
[21:42] <aristoteles> peace
[22:05] <gomaaz> hi guys
[22:05] <gomaaz> <- new to lubuntu
[22:10] <gomaaz> is it possible to start the xfce4-power-manager-settings by bootup?
[22:27] <gomiboy> gomaaz: can't imagine why you want to do that, but start -> preferences -> default applications for lxsession -> autostart and you can add whatever you want
[22:54] <greeter> say, about that last question, can scripts be added to autostart?
[22:54] <lancelot_> Hello, what's the shortcut to change workspaces?
[23:16] <lancelot_> Got it, it's ctrl alt arrow.Thank's to myself.
[23:18] <gomiboy> lancelot_: or ctrl + alt + mouse wheel :)