[01:06] <mup> Issue operator#959 closed: Remove references to "you" and "your" in API docstrings <docs> <small item> <good first item> <Created by benhoyt> <Closed by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/959>
[01:06] <mup> PR operator#1003 closed: docs: remove 'you' and 'your' from docstrings <Created by tonyandrewmeyer> <Merged by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/1003>
[02:22] <mup> PR operator#1008 opened: test: add type hints to the test_infra tests <type hints> <Created by tonyandrewmeyer> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/1008>
[02:26] <mup> PR operator#1009 opened: test: add type hints to test_log tests <type hints> <Created by tonyandrewmeyer> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/1009>
[02:37] <mup> PR operator#1010 opened: test: fix type hint warnings in test_private tests <type hints> <Created by tonyandrewmeyer> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/1010>
[02:42] <mup> PR operator#1011 opened: test: fix type hinting on test_jujuversion tests <type hints> <Created by tonyandrewmeyer> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/1011>
[04:37] <mup> PR operator#1008 closed: test: add type hints to the test_infra tests <type hints> <Created by tonyandrewmeyer> <Merged by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/1008>
[05:20] <mup> PR operator#1009 closed: test: add type hints to test_log tests <type hints> <Created by tonyandrewmeyer> <Merged by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/1009>
[05:29] <mup> Issue operator#1007 closed: Run Pyright on test files to catch typing issues <type hints> <Created by benhoyt> <Closed by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/issues/1007>
[05:29] <mup> PR operator#1011 closed: test: fix type hinting on test_jujuversion tests <type hints> <Created by tonyandrewmeyer> <Merged by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/1011>
[05:36] <mup> PR operator#1010 closed: test: fix type hint warnings in test_private tests <type hints> <Created by tonyandrewmeyer> <Merged by benhoyt> <https://github.com/canonical/operator/pull/1010>


[06:12] <unimatrixoverlod> Hey everyone, I could use some help with this --> do to this error: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/859101    I've compiled my own kernel from kernel.org    AND    here is where i need help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2170367
[06:12] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 859101 in fglrx-installer-updates (Ubuntu) "fglrx 2:8.881-0ubuntu2: fglrx kernel module failed to build (kernel includes at ... not found or incomplete)" [High,Confirmed]
[06:13] <unimatrixoverlod> any tips or ideas are welcome :)
[06:20] <infinity> unimatrixoverlod: If you've compiled your own kernel, only you know where the headers live, not much we can help with.
[06:24] <infinity> unimatrixoverlod: Oh, I see what you're driving at.  Well, diffing the config from your kernel and the Ubuntu one would be helpful to figure out your problem.
[06:25] <unimatrixoverlod> Nice idea!! I'll look into it. thank you! the only hold up is *how* the transfer of a kernel/initrd (Ubuntu OS official installed kernel from apt-get) hands things from grub to the init runlevel 2 on boot.
[06:26] <unimatrixoverlod> my mkinitramfs made an initramfs and boots and then stops at /scripts/local-top. I'm so close too I know it. I just have to trigger the init runlevel 2.....hmmm...
[06:27] <unimatrixoverlod> note: the partition's are LVM but not RAID
[06:28] <unimatrixoverlod> I should say only the root partition is LVM. boot is the first partition type LINUX
[06:28] <unimatrixoverlod> the rest of the drive is LVM
[06:40] <infinity> unimatrixoverlod: Sure, my point is that if you built a kernel lacking the right modules/support, that would be an issue.
[06:40] <infinity> unimatrixoverlod: Did you use the config from your Ubuntu kernel as a base, or start from scratch with menuconfig?
[06:41] <infinity> unimatrixoverlod: This has nothing to do with init runlevels, I'm sure, and everything to do with not being able to find your root filesystem due to lack of support for it.
[06:45] <unimatrixoverlod> from scratch and yes make menuconfig. I selected every entry under (i think it's found here) drivers->RAID + LVM to be compiled into the kernel
[06:46] <unimatrixoverlod> what's strange is the hard drive is found in /dev/sda* but /dev/mapper lists nothing but "control"
[06:46] <unimatrixoverlod> it's acting like the driver LVM support isn't installed. as you can see under grub2 i've also done "insmod lvm"
[06:46] <infinity> You probably missed some DM options or something.
[06:47] <infinity> grub's support isn't the issue here, it's the kernel's.
[06:47] <unimatrixoverlod> ok
[06:47] <infinity> grub's finding the kernel, loading the kernel, and then the kernel can't find your root filesystem.
[06:47] <unimatrixoverlod> correct
[06:48] <unimatrixoverlod> i like your idea of diff'ing to an Ubuntu kernel source and see what's missing from kernel.org make menuconfig
[06:48] <infinity> If you have an ubuntu kernel installed, the config is in /boot for you.
[06:49] <unimatrixoverlod> (Ubuntu kernel .config that is)
[06:49] <infinity> ie: /boot/config-3.11.0-4-generic
[06:49] <unimatrixoverlod> oh nice!
[06:49] <unimatrixoverlod> one sec I'll take a look
[07:03] <unimatrixoverlod> ok I've posted to ubuntuforums.org link my vimdiff comparison
[07:03] <unimatrixoverlod> I have basically everything CONFIG_DM* compiled into the kernel
[07:13] <unimatrixoverlod> i've also attached my  custom .config to: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2170367
[12:44] <rtg> apw, care to respond to https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2013-August/032034.html ? Personally, I don't think this is an appropriate stable patch for Lucid. Does it have implications for subsequent releases ?
[12:45] <apw> rtg looking
[12:48] <apw> rtg, the patch as attached seems to be the whole of overlayfs or something mad, but assuming it is just the bits for dcache i don't think it is really appropriate for much
[12:48] <apw> as the main issue is you have a prefix on some proc paths, which can be ameliorated by simply
[12:49] <apw> ln -s / /rootfs
[12:49] <rtg> apw, works for me. please send Li a response.
[12:51] <rtg> jjohansen, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1216294/comments/18
[12:51] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1216294 in linux (Ubuntu) "kernel 3.11.0-3-generic BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request" [Medium,Fix committed]
[12:58] <apw> rtg, done
[13:01] <rtg> apw, thanks
[13:25]  * henrix -> (late) lunch
[13:29] <rtg> sforshee, another brcmsmac bug for you: bug #1218233
[13:29] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1218233 in linux (Ubuntu) "phy error 0x1 on network operations with macbook air" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1218233
[15:04] <apw> rtg are you on the hangout for the 32/64 session
[15:04] <rtg> apw, I'm listening in
[15:05] <rtg> I'm not gonna be _on_ the hangout
[15:22] <ppisati> rtg: did you see robher's email about KVM config?
[15:23] <rtg> ppisati, ah, yeah. I just kind of forgot. I'll get to it today.
[15:23] <ppisati> rtg: i've another patchset for lpae on the new claxeda hw
[15:23] <ppisati> rtg: please don't kick the build yet
[15:24] <rtg> ppisati, np
[15:24] <rtg> I'll likely wait until 3.11 final for the next upload anyways
[15:26] <robher> ppisati, rtg: There is a xen related patch too: http://lists.infradead.org/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2013-August/195609.html
[15:27] <rtg> robher, please get these patches on the k-team list so they don't get missed
[15:29] <ppisati> robher: besides the lpae take 2 patchset, i guess i need those two too:
[15:29] <ppisati> robher: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ppisati/ubuntu-saucy.git;a=commit;h=df010637e3d957fb74713b5909904f8fca6389d4
[15:29] <robher> rtg: ok. hopefully this one goes into 3.11 final or stable if not.
[15:30] <ppisati> robher: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ppisati/ubuntu-saucy.git;a=commit;h=ef5e8772eadd604c9620c7137705a911e6d1af5a
[15:30] <ppisati> robher: am i correct?
[15:33] <robher> ppisati: yes. Although, I think "ARM: fix dma-mapping on LPAE" may not really be needed because our only 32-bit DMA master being used is xgmac and I think skb's and their data will only come from low mem (<1GB).
[15:33] <ppisati> robher: so, just the sata fix, ok
[15:34] <robher> ppisati: if you agree with my assertion about skbs.
[15:35] <ppisati> robher: beware that your 'take 2' patchset on rc7 gave me this - http://paste.ubuntu.com/6040565/
[15:35] <robher> ppisati: do you have DEBUG_LL enabled?
[15:37] <ppisati> robher: # CONFIG_DEBUG_LL is not set
[15:37] <ppisati> robher: do you want a full trace?
[15:38] <robher> ppisati: can you send me your config
[15:40] <ppisati> robher: sent
[17:02]  * rtg -> lunch
[17:02] <bjf> jsalisbury, about bug 1210848 and the commit that was supposed to have fixed it .. did it fix it nor not? (should we revert the commit?)
[17:02] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1210848 in linux (Ubuntu Raring) "Ubuntu 12.04 LTS - intel ips failed to update for more than 1s" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1210848
[17:32]  * henrix -> EOD
[18:06] <jsalisbury> bjf, the patch I created does fix the bug.  I blacklisted that particular model, like other models were blacklisted.  However, I submitted my patch upstream and Linus said he hates blacklists, so I'm working on a new patch.
[18:06] <bjf> jsalisbury, can we get someone to verify that bug then?
[18:07] <jsalisbury> bjf, sure thing.  I'll ask the original bug report to test proposed
[18:07] <bjf> jsalisbury, thanks
[18:21] <robher> ppisati: I can't reproduce the abort you see.
[18:25] <ppisati> robher: let me push my git tree + kernel pkg
[18:27] <robher> ppisati: can you check firmware version? Command is "cxmanage info <mgmt ip>"
[18:51] <ppisati> robher: https://pastebin.canonical.com/96610/
[18:52] <ppisati> robher: right now that command is hanging, here is a pastebin from yesterday
[18:53] <robher> ppisati: how about one without a ubuntu 1 login?
[18:54] <ppisati> robher: ah k
[18:56] <ppisati> robher: here is the kernel: http://people.canonical.com/~ppisati/linux-image-3.11.0-5-generic-lpae_3.11.0-5.10~hbankfor312_armhf.deb
[18:57] <ppisati> robher: and here is the git tree: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ppisati/ubuntu-saucy.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/master-next-lpae
[19:00] <ppisati> brb
[19:04] <mreed> ppisati, ping
[19:04] <xnox> apw: on my new laptop i have flicker-full boot, but it is damn fast <<8s from poweron to desktop.
[19:07] <vanhoof> robher: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6041396/ ^
[19:21] <ppisati> i'm going offline, for anything drop me an email
[19:50] <hallyn_> when i (or a postinst :) do update-initramfs -k all -u, it skips the newest kernel, 3.11.0-4.
[19:50] <hallyn_> That, obviously, does not lead to good times
[19:52] <hallyn_> ah, mkdir /var/lib/initramfs-tools/3.11.0-4-generic fixed it
[19:55] <hallyn_> stgraber: woohoo, i think i have a fix for the obscure racing-pidns-init-exit kernel bug
[19:55]  * hallyn_ expects arguments over it
[19:56] <stgraber> hallyn_: nice!


[00:00] <dob1> in pratice you are watching a youtube video and the screen goes black
[00:00] <ramblebamble> dob1, I am not sure, but I would assume that that is a feature of the WM/DM and not the application itself?
[00:01] <ramblebamble> Like application foobar is allowed to prevent screen from locking or some such configuratoin
[00:01] <ramblebamble> new way firefox is installed --> new application for the WM/DM??
[00:02] <dob1> ramblebamble, imho it's firefox that has to disable dpms
[00:04] <ramblebamble> yes, I am not arguing that, I am just saying that the DM/WM might have to be told that there is a 'new'(read application at a different location) that wants to disable it, so please listen to it, it has my blessing
[00:06] <dob1> ramblebamble, not sure how to do this
[00:06] <ramblebamble> what WM/DM are you using?
[00:07] <dob1> i3
[00:07] <ramblebamble> uff... never used  but let me check my googlefu
[00:07] <dob1> there is something here, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1398539  but it's like 4 years ago
[00:10] <dob1> the fact that I am not sure if the behaviour was the same with the deb version or not
[00:10] <ramblebamble> can't you role back and check?
[00:11] <dob1> not now, I am going to do it if I don't find any solution
[00:11] <ramblebamble> but it appears that you are right, it might be a FF issue https://github.com/dglava/firefox-dpms
[00:11] <dob1> I read this too searching around
[00:12] <ramblebamble> question what else did change when you updated FF?
[00:12] <ramblebamble> are you using X still?
[00:12] <dob1> yes, xorg
[00:12] <ramblebamble> k
[00:13] <dob1> ramblebamble, it was automatic, I didn't mean to change it. I update it yesterday to 21.10 and it was done by the system upgrade
[00:13] <ramblebamble> k
[00:13] <ramblebamble> then, can you still disable it using xset +dpms and xset -dpms?
[00:14] <ramblebamble> because if you cannot do that something else changed in your system
[00:14] <dob1> ramblebamble, well yes but ... no :)
[00:14] <ramblebamble> ??
[00:14] <ramblebamble> I don't suggest you do that all the time, I am just asking for information so that we may get to the bottom of this
[00:14] <dob1> it becomes a bad user experience if I have every time I am going to watch a video to disable dpms
[00:15] <ramblebamble> so if you can do this, it is either i3 or most likely FF, if you cannot do that than FF cannot do it either, and we have to look elsewhere
[00:15] <ramblebamble> s/then/than
[00:16] <dob1> to be honest I don't know how an application, firefox, vlc whatever, communicate to suspend dpms while watching a video
[00:16] <dob1> I will try the debian one for sure
[00:16] <ramblebamble> cli command the one's I wrote you the python application firefox-dpms I liked to and you read, works like that
[00:17] <dob1> I have to test it
[00:19] <ramblebamble> btw what does `xset q` give you in the terminal?
[00:20] <dob1> ramblebamble, https://paste.debian.net/hidden/53dd2269/
[00:20] <ramblebamble> k
[00:21] <ramblebamble> and now after `xset -dpms` DPMS should display as off, if that is not the case the fault is most likely not with FF
[00:22] <ramblebamble> you can turn it back on with `xset +dpms`
[00:22] <dob1> now I am watching a video I suppose it has to be to ff
[00:22] <dob1> *off
[00:23] <ramblebamble> I would assume so, BUT, I have dpms off, never heard of it before today and my screen gets locked anyways, because of KDE
[00:23] <dob1> you are using kde screensaver I presume
[00:23] <dob1> it is doing it for you
[00:23] <ramblebamble> not the screensaver the entire WM
[00:23] <ramblebamble> sorry DM
[00:24] <dob1> the applications should tell the wm/dm to disable the energy saver/screensaver while watching a video
[00:25] <dob1> because the point is "watching a video", the screensaver/dpms should be active if you are just viewing a page
[00:25] <mateusz> #mate
[00:33] <ramblebamble> dob1 sorry I couldn't help
[01:02] <ShookDog> 1st time caller 1st time listener... Dual boot system setup with Windows 10 (Ubuntu 20.04). Both updated to current. Everytime I login to Windows 10 and when done, when I return to Ubuntu, I get the BusyBox v1.30.1 initramfs issue where I have to fsck /dev/sda1... It fixes the problem. I rarely ever use Windows but when I do, the error comes back again and have to fsck the partition and then all is well in the world.
[01:02] <ShookDog> As mentioned rarely use Windows and shutting down computer, logging back into Ubuntu, no problems. It's only when I log into Windows 10 and then logging into Ubuntu I have to fsck the partition. Any help would be great.
[01:03] <sarnold> hey ShookDog, welcome :) hang around a bit, hopefully someone will have a suggestion
[01:03] <sarnold> I haven't done dual boot in ages, and I don't recall seeing this come up often
[01:04] <ShookDog> Thanks, will do.
[01:05] <jhutchins> ShookDog: Do you access or mount the Linux filesystem(s) in Windows?
[01:05] <ShookDog> I do not.
[01:05] <ShookDog> Both are in there own partition
[01:06] <orange1> i wonder if turning off fast boot on windows would help
[01:06] <orange1> but not sure
[01:06] <jhutchins> orange1: Good idea whether it's related or not.
[01:06] <jhutchins> Both fastboot and secureboot.
[01:06] <ShookDog> It's off. Thinkpad T14 AMD 4750 32GB
[01:07] <jhutchins> ShookDog: Do you tend to shut down completely before booting to the other OS?
[01:07] <Aarch64debian> hello is ubuntu server + xfce working well on raspi 4?
[01:08] <ShookDog> I do, as a matter of fact.
[01:24] <ShookDog> ahhh! one is in BIOS & other I havent seen that setting but will check and give heads up.
[01:27] <sarnold> Aarch64debian: I think it ought to work, it's mentioned with happy sounds on both focal and impish release notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes#Raspberry_Pi https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/impish-indri-release-notes/21951  (I can't figure out how to anchor the link to the "Raspberry Pi" section)
[01:40] <ShookDog> 2st time caller... Yep, Secure Boot off in Bios and Fast Boot, I don't believe Lenovo thought it important for thier T14 laptops cuz that setting (Fast boot) not showing up where it's supposed to be. And to get back here, I had to fsck the /dev/sda1 partition.
[01:42] <coon> i have a printer problem when someone gets time... thank you
[01:44] <sarnold> ShookDog: I think fastboot is a windows setting, not a bios setting
[01:44] <sarnold> coon: probably best to just say any error messages or log entries you've got..
[01:45] <coon> my printer says ready to use but when i send something to the printer spool nothing happens
[01:45] <ShookDog> Its supposed to be in the Power setting... where you allow whats normally not available. Fastboot is not one of the options. Just Hibernate and Sleep. No Fastboot.
[01:47] <ShookDog> within windows that is.
[01:48] <sarnold> dang :(
[01:48] <sarnold> coon: I use my printer once or twice a year, and I *always* have to reboot my printer to make it work
[01:48] <sarnold> coon: it's annoying but it was free :) so I've never put much effort into it
[01:48] <coon> i have and still nothing
[01:49] <sarnold> ;(
[01:49] <rfm> ShookDog, I found https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch001762.htm which shows how to disable it from the command prompt
[01:49] <coon> this is a new install of ubuntu also
[01:51] <ShookDog> rmf thanks for the link. 20.04 from fresh install. This is something that just started not too long ago. 1-2mos maybe. After updating, upgrading Windows 10. I suspected some foul play at hand but, what do I know. Ubuntu has Magic that pops outta nowhere time and again.
[01:53] <ShookDog> rfm isn't that the hibernate?
[01:54] <rfm> ShookDog, yes, as I understand it "fast startup" is basically "when I say 'shut down' do
[01:54] <rfm> hibernate instead..
[01:56] <ShookDog> I use that command to make a smaller footprint prior to making my CloneZilla backups.
[03:15] <bobdobbs> noob question, but: how do I take a screenshot?
[03:15] <sarnold> try the printscreen key on your keyboard; depending upon your desktop environment or window manager it might already be hooked up
[03:16] <orange1> Print screen keyboard button
[03:16] <bobdobbs> sarnold: that worked for me on this OS a few months ago. But it no longer works
[03:16] <sarnold> :(
[03:16] <bobdobbs> ctrl+PrtSc doesn't work either
[03:16] <bobdobbs> oh, I have a new keyboard. Might sound odd, but maybe that's why it doesn't work any more
[03:18] <sarnold> it's possible, yeah
[03:18] <sarnold> sometimes they do 'clever things' like put multimedia functinos on 'useless' keys, and require to hold down an fn key to get the original meaning
[03:18] <oerheks> https://www.wikihow.com/Change-Keyboard-Layout-in-Ubuntu
[03:19] <oerheks> it does not get autodetected
[03:19] <orange1> open the screenshot app in app menu
[03:20] <bobdobbs> orange1: I can't find a screenshot app. Although apt search tells me that KDE has one. I'll install and test that.
[03:21] <oerheks> sure gnome has got one, in the menu
[03:21] <sarnold> what release are you on? 20.04 at least has a gnome-screenshot package
[03:22] <bobdobbs> yep, 20.04
[03:22] <bobdobbs> I didn't put that '-' in when I searched. I'll try that
[03:23] <bobdobbs> no,
[03:23] <orange1> probably any screenshot app will work
[03:23] <bobdobbs> "gnome-screenshot" isn't onboard either
[03:23] <sarnold> yeah, but one of them may drag in a few hundred megs of dependencies, another one might not
[03:23] <orange1> yeah lol
[03:23] <oerheks> type 'screen'...
[03:24] <oerheks> or better, select the right keyboardlayout
[03:25] <bobdobbs> oerheks: I'm looking at the keyboard layout settings now... just trying to get my head around this part of the settings conf
[03:27] <bobdobbs> oerheks: if I type 'screen' in the Application Launcher, I don't get a completion that looks anything like gnome-screenshot
[03:28] <bobdobbs> although apt-get tells me that I have gnome-screenshot installed
[03:29] <JackFrost> screen is a very useful terminal multiplexer, so if installed that'll show up and likely launch a terminal.
[03:30] <oerheks> yes, next to screenshot
[03:30] <oerheks> lolz
[03:32] <bobdobbs> k, if I run 'gnome-screenshot' from the commandline, I get a screenshot!
[03:32] <bobdobbs> that's good!
[03:32] <bobdobbs> now... how do cajole it to respond to the printscreen button?
[03:32] <bobdobbs> Do I growl at it menacingly?
[03:32] <bobdobbs> Offer it a kitkat and tea?
[03:33] <bobdobbs> a backrub perhaps?
[03:33] <bobdobbs> pretty much any one of those would work for me
[03:33] <oerheks> again; select the right keyboardlayout
[03:33] <orange1> make a custom keyboard cmd to launch it
[03:33]  * oerheks stops feeding trolls
[03:34] <bobdobbs> oerheks: dude  I'm not trolling. I've got the keyboard settings open. I'm still trying to make sense of the UI, that's all.
[03:37] <sarnold> do you still have your old keyboard? maybe hook it up and poke the button and see what happens
[03:38] <bobdobbs> oerheks: ok, if I select existing keyboard layout, a window  pops with showing an image of a keyboard. It looks exactly like my existing physical keyboard, as far as I can tell. Including teh position of the 'prtsc' button
[03:38] <bobdobbs> sarnold: I'm afraid that keyboard is no more
[03:38] <sarnold> it is a late keyboard? :(
[03:40] <bobdobbs> sarnold: yeup
[03:44] <bobdobbs> orange1: I'm trying your idea. Google tells me that there's a way to map keys to commands from 'settings' > 'keyboard'. But I can't see that. Maybe it doesn't exist anymore?
[03:49] <orange1> idk then sorry
[03:51] <sarnold> I wonder what else might be wonky with your setup.. loads of things don't seem to be working as expected.
[03:51] <jhutchins> !xev
[03:51] <jhutchins> Stupid bot.
[03:51] <oerheks> !info xev
[03:52] <oerheks> !find xev
[03:52] <jhutchins> x11-utils
[03:53] <jhutchins> !info x11-utils
[03:54] <jhutchins> There is a utility, I think it may be xev, that will display the scan code produced by a key.  That code can then be mapped/re-mapped to a function.
[03:54] <sarnold> it's not super friendly but it probably will work
[03:55] <bobdobbs> I'm gonna download this and see if it helps: https://github.com/sezanzeb/key-mapper
[03:56] <bobdobbs> darn it. It won't install. package conflict
[04:04] <jhutchins> bobdobbs: First lesson in downloading from github.
[04:05] <jhutchins> If it's a basic system thing that many people would use within the Ubuntu system, try to find the Ubuntu package before you start grabbing wild code.
[04:06] <bobdobbs> jhutchins: this tool isn't in the standard repos. Or any repos for ubuntu as far as I could tell
[04:06] <jhutchins> At least you didn't do `make install` and create a monster.
[04:06] <bobdobbs> heh. I haven't done that for years
[04:06] <jhutchins> bobdobbs: Then maybe it's not something a basic user should be trying to use.
[04:06] <bobdobbs> jhutchins: indeed
[04:07] <bobdobbs> jhutchins: I'm now looking at a utility called 'xmodmap'. Looks like it's installed by default.
[04:14] <bobdobbs> hm... I don't think xmodmap will work either. I need to give it the keycode of the prtsc button. But if my current keymapping isn't working, then that keycode probably isn't linked to that button anyway
[04:14] <jhutchins> bobdobbs: Yeah, that's more likely the one I'm thinking of.
[04:15] <jhutchins> It'll show you what code is generated.
[04:15] <bobdobbs> jhutchins: all good. I found the keycode
[04:16] <jhutchins> Which is often captured by a screenshot utility.
[04:16] <bobdobbs> jhutchins: there's a tool called 'xev' that will show you the keycode of a button that you press.
[04:16] <jhutchins> xx:51
[04:18] <jhutchins> Ah, xmodmap is display and modify the map.
[04:19] <jhutchins> yeah, xev is what I was thinking of, displays a window and returns event texts.
[04:19] <jhutchins> ood luck, I'm outa here.
[04:19] <sarnold> and then you'll need to hook up the keypress to run a command or something
[04:19] <sarnold> I don't know what the best way to do that is, perhaps your desktop environment already has one of those
[04:20] <sarnold> (I use i3wm, which handles that sort of thing)
[04:38] <Sven_vB> bobdobbs, what desktop environment do you use?
[04:39] <Sven_vB> some have a function to map keys to a command
[04:39] <bobdobbs> Sven_vB: I'm using the default desktop environment that comes with ubuntu 20.04. I think it's called gnome?
[04:39] <Sven_vB> bobdobbs, I see. yeah gnome can definitely do it.
[04:41] <Sven_vB> I usually just run "scrot" with the delay option from command line.
[04:43] <Sven_vB> in cases where I need keyboard watching temporarily, and thus want to avoid my xfce's global hotkeys, I usually use something like "xinput test 15 | sed -nurf transform.sed | sh". not sure if sed is to your taste.
[05:11] <pi0> i installed an application in my /opt directory, i then created a .desktop to launch it from my menu, the application needs to recognize my .bashrc
[05:11] <pi0> but it does not, is that because it is launched from within /opt?
[05:23] <CarlFK> It's because you're not running bash.  Your desktop launch file needs to run bash application
[06:33] <haylion> ff
[06:33] <haylion> hello
[06:40] <coon> i need help getting my printer to work it says its ready to use but when i send something to the printer to print nothing happens
[06:50] <pi0> CarlFK: how do i run it bash?
[06:54] <TheDrode> good morning
[06:55] <TheDrode> Please, i am trying to disable policykit password prompt
[06:55] <TheDrode> but it won't go away
[06:59] <coon> i need help getting my printer to work it says its ready to use but when i send something to the printer to print nothing happens
[07:00] <TheDrode> how did you install it coon
[07:01] <coon> i plugged it in
[07:01] <coon> then i tried to download drivers from canon and that dont work either
[07:03] <TheDrode> is it against the rules to ask you for teamviewer access so i can help you?
[07:04] <coon> i dont know and i dont know what that is or where it would be at lol
[07:05] <TheDrode> coon: it's a remote desktop solution, it's secure, the password changes
[07:05] <TheDrode> i am about to go to bed but i can take 10 to help you
[07:05] <TheDrode> if you want
[07:05] <TheDrode> did you check the printers
[07:05] <TheDrode> dialog?
[07:05] <coon> ok
[07:05] <coon> no how lol
[07:05] <TheDrode> www.teamviewer.com
[07:08] <coon> working on it bro
[07:11] <coon> it said failed to install
[08:00] <ducasse> coon: open a browser at localhost:631 and check your settings, try to print a test page
[10:28] <krzydv> I have a mysql FROZEN file on Ubuntu 18.04. I think my system is trying to update to mariadb. What should I do?
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | krzydv check to see
[10:29] <krzydv> I have done that.
[10:29] <krzydv> Preparing to unpack .../17-mysql-server-5.7_5.7.36-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_amd64.deb ...
[10:30] <krzydv> Warning: /etc/mysql/FROZEN already exists
[10:30] <krzydv> Downgrade from (at least) 10.1 to 5.7 is not possible.
[10:30] <krzydv> So, maybe mariadb is already installed?
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> krzydv: did you install external ppa's of any kind?
[10:31] <krzydv> Yes, I installed my system on an LXC container using OMD here. https://labs.consol.de/repo/stable/#_ubuntu_bionic_beaver_18_04
[10:34] <krzydv> The #thruk channel which helps with OMD told me to ask about my issue here.
[10:36] <KBar> krzydv: `dpkg -l | grep 'mariadb'`
[10:37] <krzydv> rc  mariadb-client-10.1                  1:10.1.48-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>                 amd64        MariaDB database client binaries
[10:37] <krzydv> rc  mariadb-common                       1:10.1.48-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>                 all          MariaDB common metapackage
[10:37] <krzydv> rc  mariadb-server-10.1                  1:10.1.48-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>                 amd64        MariaDB database server binaries
[10:37] <KBar> krzydv: `rc`denotes "to remove" and "config files".
[10:38] <KBar> That is, it's not install.
[10:38] <KBar> *installed
[10:38] <KBar> Only config files are left.
[10:38] <krzydv> I see
[10:39] <KBar> krzydv: `dpkg --search /etc/mysql/FROZEN`
[10:39] <KBar> Any output?
[10:40] <krzydv> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/mysql/FROZEN
[10:40] <krzydv> The file is there though. I can `cat` it.
[10:41] <KBar> krzydv: `/17-mysql-server-5.7_5.7.36-0ubuntu<IP_ADDRESS>_amd64.deb` are you trying to install this particular package?
[10:42] <krzydv> I was just trying to keep the system up-to-date with `apt update && apt upgrade` and noticed this warning with mysql.
[10:45] <KBar> krzydv: `lsb_release -ds` and `apt-cache policy '*mysql*'`
[10:46] <KBar> My bad. It's 18.04
[10:47] <KBar> krzydv: use pastebin for pastes.
[10:47] <krzydv> Ubuntu 18.04.6 LTS
[10:53] <KBar> krzydv: does the FROZEN file contain anything? Use `less` not `cat`.
[10:53] <krzydv> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qGkpytrsjR/
[10:55] <krzydv> Yes,https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Yq9WyXqxTX/
[10:55] <krzydv> I used `cat`
[10:57] <KBar> krzydv: then RTFM and try to do what it says. Looking at your apt policy though it seems that the `mysql-server` was updated successfully.
[10:58] <krzydv> Weird. I appreciate the help. I think I'm not even using mysql on my setup. So, I'll probably just remove the package.
[10:58] <KBar> krzydv: `file /etc/mysql/FROZEN`
[10:59] <KBar> You think? Double-ckeck it. If you remove it, you'll lose all of your databases.
[10:59] <krzydv> -  /etc/mysql/FROZEN: symbolic link to ../../usr/share/doc/mysql-common/frozen-mode/downgrade
[11:02] <KBar> krzydv: you mentioned downgrading from 10.1 to 5.7. You're confusing the two packages. You don't have `mariadb` installed, which was indeed version 10.1. The `mysql` suite, however, is on version 5.7.
[11:03] <KBar> krzydv: your system didn't "want" to upgrade the `mariadb` package, it attempted to upgrade the `mysql-server` package.
[11:04] <krzydv> 👍
[11:05] <Aarch64debian> whats ubuntu server default account and pass?
[11:06] <KBar> krzydv: so the answer to your question, which was what you should do, is run `apt update && apt upgrade` and see if it complains again.
[11:07] <KBar> Don't remove anything if you're not sure what it does, especially if it's a server.
[11:07] <KBar> You'll save yourself from a lot of pain and misery.
[11:08] <KBar> Aarch64debian: try "ubuntu" for both.
[11:09] <KBar> Aarch64debian: or leave the password blank.
[11:15] <Aarch64debian> this is sht now  pi 400 doesnt have wifi antenna i thought its the driver problem...
[11:16] <ogra_> pi400 has an antenna flat on the mainboard
[11:17] <Aarch64debian> its sht
[11:17] <ogra_> and the desktop install for the pi should have the correct firmware to drive it
[11:17] <ogra_> Aarch64debian, please watch your language
[11:20] <Aarch64debian> will ubuntu server accept usb internet ?
[11:21] <Sneaky1> HI
[11:22] <Aarch64debian> from phone?
[11:25] <KBar> Aarch64debian: #ubuntu-server could answer that question.
[11:52] <Aarch64debian> can i download xubuntu-desktop packages mannually on another phone
[11:53] <Aarch64debian> another machine
[12:00] <Aarch64debian> !xubuntu-desktop
[12:01] <Aarch64debian> kar ?
[12:08] <ProfessorChunk> Aarch64debian: ubuntu ubuntu
[12:10] <Aarch64debian> tell me how to find xubuntu-desktop arm64  packages
[12:15] <KBar> Aarch64debian: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xubuntu-desktop
[12:16] <DarkTrick> **bug** When I try to boot with kernel <IP_ADDRESS> (latest on 21.10), I cant boot with an error that my file system / system disk could not be fchecked. 5.11 works fine. If this is known and I can help solving, let me know how :)
[12:16] <DarkTrick> afk
[12:34] <KBar> DarkTrick: that version doesn't exist on Impish 21.10
[12:34] <KBar> DarkTrick: where did you get it?
[12:38] <KBar> DarkTrick: if you meant version 5.13.0-12.12, then it's not the latest.
[12:58] <Maik> DarkTrick: the current kernel in 21.10 is 5.13.0-22-generic
[13:05] <[itchyjunk]> Hello, I `sudo apt install graphviz` but I can't find the software for the life of me.
[13:05] <buna> hi all, looking for a desktop app to make an ADB/ISO (i'd love to make both) backup of my Android device...  any suggestions?
[13:06] <Khepra> Hello. Question for users of the Firefox snap. Does it crash when the snap upgrades? I am running the FF snap on debian, and it crashes whenever the snap upgrades/refreshes. So I am wondering if that's also a problem on Ubuntu.
[13:06] <[itchyjunk]> `dpkg -L graphviz` shows some stuff like `/usr/share/doc/graphviz`
[13:07] <Maik> Khepra: support for Debian related things is in #debian
[13:07] <Khepra> Maik: I am not asking for debian support
[13:07] <Maik> but so far i never experienced any crash
[13:07] <Maik> Khepra: just saying
[13:08] <Khepra> I am explicitely asking about Ubuntu users of the snap. I wonder if Ubuntu's implementation of snapd environment would be different. So my question is aimed at Ubuntu, not Debian.
[13:11] <Maik> and as i said, i never experienced any "crash" so far. I don't think the implentation would be any different i guess.
[13:11] <Maik> *implementation
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> Khepra: the volunteers cant advice on most snaps neither, support is pointed towards their maintainer(s)/dev(s)
[13:12] <Maik> as you know Ubuntu is based on Debian, so...
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> Khepra: snap info snapname
[13:12] <Khepra> my question is specifically aimed at Ubuntu user.
[13:13] <KBar> [itchyjunk]: Ubuntu version?
[13:13] <Maik> Khepra: read what is said?
[13:13] <[itchyjunk]> Yes, Ubuntu 18.04
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> Khepra: contact:   https://support.mozilla.org/products/firefox
[13:13] <Khepra> lotuspsychje: what for?
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> Khepra: its the contact page for the Firefox snap for ubuntu
[13:14] <KBar> [itchyjunk]: launch the `Software & Updates` app and make sure the universe repository is checked.
[13:14] <Maik> lotuspsychje: that's not what it's about
[13:14] <Khepra> lotuspsychje: and then what? my question is to Ubuntu _users_ not developers. whether they experience the crashes or not.
[13:15] <KBar> Khepra: join #ubuntu-discuss.
[13:15] <KBar> This channel is explicitly for Ubuntu support.
[13:15] <Maik> Khepra: i gave you an answer, should be clear enough i guess
[13:15] <KBar> Khepra: you can poll and ask for opinions there.
[13:15] <Khepra> Maik: yes. so that's one data point. thanks. now it'd be great if I got some more data points.
[13:16] <Khepra> KBar: I'm not asking for opinions
[13:16] <Maik> Khepra: i didn't see anyone post here about crashes with FF snap in months so....
[13:17] <KBar> Khepra: your question doesn't fit the topic in any way, shape or form.
[13:17] <Maik> if you have crashes on debian then ask the debian guys what it's about....
[13:19] <[itchyjunk]> Issue solved, ty.
[13:19] <KBar> np
[13:45] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:51] <[twisti]> i plugged an usb wifi in my *virtualbox) ubuntu (18.04), but its not listed with `iw dev`. what must i do for it to be detected/installed ?
[13:54] <KBar> [twisti]: is Ubuntu 18.04 the guest or the host?
[13:55] <[twisti]> guest
[13:56] <[twisti]> host is windows, and the usb device is properly forwarded to the guest
[13:56] <KBar> [twisti]: did you install the extension pack?
[13:57] <KBar> The versions should match.
[13:57] <[twisti]> no, i wasnt aware that i needed to. let me get on that
[13:58] <KBar> [twisti]: it's not really an Ubuntu support question. Windows or Oracle VM VirtualBox support channels would be more appropriate.
[14:00] <[twisti]> i thought i had to, on the ubuntu level, do something for usb wifi adapters to be detected/loaded/whatever
[14:03] <Khepra> [twisti]: what does the ubuntu's dmesg say when you plug in the dongle?
[14:09] <[twisti]> Khepra: when i plug it in after booting nothing, but when its connected during boot: https://i.imgur.com/NFeMCgr.png
[14:09] <[twisti]> its device 1-2, at the end you can see where i unplugged it
[14:10] <Khepra> [twisti]: run again and    | grep -i firmware    please
[14:11] <[twisti]> [Firmware Bug]: TSC doesn't count with PO frequency!
[14:11] <[twisti]> nothing else
[14:12] <[twisti]> bloody hell, all i want to do is run tuya-convert :(
[14:12] <Khepra> [twisti]: does the device show in  `ip link`  ?
[14:13] <[twisti]> no
[14:13] <[twisti]> wait, let me reboot, since it wasnt detected after i un- and replugged it
[14:13] <[twisti]> nope, still not present
[14:14] <mekhami> can i ask for pulseaudio help here? i had a device plugged in via usb and it worked just fine; yesterday i added another device and the first one has disappeared and i no longer have audio.
[14:15] <Khepra> [twisti]: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1082824/ubuntu-16-04-5-usb-wifi-adapter-0bdab812-not-working  maybe this helps  (for your vendorId and productID)
[14:15] <mekhami> the device still shows up in `pactl list cards` but no longer under `pactl list short sinks`
[14:15] <[twisti]> thanks, ill check it out
[14:18] <Khepra> [twisti]: oh, alternatively you could try HWE kernels.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[14:20] <[twisti]> is that for backporting drivers ? the device is a few years old
[14:20] <[twisti]> or did i misunderstand your link
[14:20] <Khepra> [twisti]: which of the two links?
[14:21] <[twisti]> the HWE stack
[14:21] <Khepra> [twisti]: it's for newer kernels on older ubuntus. that page explains the concept and reasons
[14:21] <Khepra> 4.15 is _quite_ old for today's standards. even if your hardware is just as old, sometimes support for it comes years later
[14:22] <[twisti]> ah okay
[14:33] <Thomas25> OK, I have NVIDIA GTX 1070 and iGPU UHD 630. I want to run two guests via KVM, namely, Win11/NVIDIA and Mac/UHD 630. I succeeded at first Win11/NVIDIA no problem. For the second one I think I have two options 1) Start ubuntu headless and passthrough the iGPU 2) Use GVT-g to share the iGPU between host (ubuntu) and Mac.
[14:33] <Thomas25> any suggestions?
[14:34] <Thomas25> btw, the problem I was having with 4k monitor running at 30 Hz instead of 60 Hz with iGPU is apparently due to UHD 630 only supports 4k@60 via DP port not HDMI port. FYI.
[14:50] <KBar> mekhami, what's the output of `lsb_release -ds` and `pulseaudio --version`?
[14:58] <coon> i need help getting my printer working
[15:01] <Thomas25> KBar is he also getting audio glitches? sounds exactly like buffer underruns
[15:03] <Guest44100> hi
[15:14] <coon> can someone help me get my printer working
[15:26] <Khepra> coon: probably not until you state the actual problem
[15:26] <KBar> And change your nickname.
[15:35] <Guest4005> how to restore audio
[15:37] <KBar> Guest4005: can you be more specific? What's wrong with your audio? Is that an output or an input device? What version of Ubuntu are you running?
[15:38] <Guest4005> 14.o43
[15:39] <leftyfb> Guest4005: Ubuntu 14.04 is no longer supported. I would recommend upgrading to 20.04
[15:39] <KBar> Guest4005: what's this? Ubuntu 14.04?
[15:39] <KBar> Or at least to 18.04.
[15:39] <Guest4005> how do I upgrade
[15:40] <coon> i need help with my printer
[15:40] <leftyfb> !eolupgrade | Guest4005
[15:40] <BluesKaj> which printer, which OS ?
[15:40] <KBar> Guest4005: for your case, I suggest backing up all of your personal data and installing afresh.
[15:41] <tomreyn> coon: we can try to help if you can provide more details than this.
[15:42] <coon> canon pixma mg2520 ubuntu focal fossa
[15:42] <tomreyn> coon: what have you tried so far?
[15:42] <tomreyn> did it work previously? if so, what changed since?
[15:43] <coon> i plugged it in and it was recognized it says its ready to use but nothing
[15:43] <coon> i was on windows
[15:43] <Guest4005> ok  I'll try later thank you
[15:47] <tomreyn> coon: can you double check the product number, MG2520? I can only see MG2540 and MG2550 on canon's website
[15:48] <tomreyn> oh actually MG2520 exists, ok
[15:49] <MR_SOHAIB> hi
[15:50] <KBar> MR_SOHAIB: hi and welcome. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask.
[15:51] <youtube> hello guys
[15:52] <youtube> help me to ubuntu please
[15:52] <KBar> youtube: hi. What exactly is your problem?
[15:52] <tomreyn> coon: according to https://www.openprinting.org/printer/Canon/Canon-MG2520 there's no linux support for this model
[15:53] <youtube> hi guys
[15:53] <youtube> :D
[15:53] <Aarch64debian> o:
[15:53] <KBar> youtube: join #ubuntu-offtopic for chit chat
[15:53] <tomreyn> youtube: so you have an ubuntu support question?
[15:53] <youtube> so ı new to xubuntu everyone can help me
[15:53] <tomreyn> !ask | youtube
[15:54] <KBar> youtube: yes. Ask your question(s). And join #xubuntu.
[15:54] <KBar> youtube: or #ubuntu-tr.
[15:54] <youtube> ok
[15:54] <youtube> !ok
[15:54] <youtube> !hi
[15:54] <Aarch64debian> lol
[15:54] <Sven_vB> hi! I'm tryin LXDE on Ubuntu focal. after a few minutes idle, my screen blanks. I guess I need a power management daemon, at least that was the solution for xfce. what should I use for LXDE?
[15:55] <tomreyn> coon: actually canon does provide a driver, you could giver this a try: https://www.canon-europe.com/support/consumer_products/products/fax__multifunctionals/inkjet/pixma_mg_series/pixma_mg2540.html?type=drivers&language=en&os=linux%20(64-bit)
[15:55] <linext> does ubuntu support a way to make the screen brighter, similar to nividia configuration tool
[15:57] <tomreyn> linext: https://linuxhint.com/display_brightness_commandline/ discusses multiple options for software and hardware control
[15:58] <KBar> Sven_vB: #lubuntu might help you with that
[15:58] <Sven_vB> KBar, thanks!
[15:58] <linext> thanks
[15:58] <tomreyn> Sven_vB: nte that lubuntu uses lxqt nowadays, though
[15:59] <Maik> KBar: ^
[16:02] <Sven_vB> tomreyn, thanks, I'll read about that
[16:17] <coon> i tried that already to no avail
[16:17] <ahh> g
[16:22] <linext> is it possible to adjust brightness within an ubuntu virtual machine on vmware player?
[16:22] <linext> i tried xrandr and xgamma
[16:23] <EriC^^> linext: i doubt it's a standard feature, but maybe you can share the /sys dir that has the brightness files to your vm and modify from there
[16:24] <Thomas25> "Usually only pro audio multichannel cards may have problems with pulseaudio. If you find that your multichannel card is not working with pulseaudio, but is supported by alsa, it will still work perfectly with jack."
[16:24] <Thomas25> from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro/1204
[16:24] <Thomas25> and that's precisely what i have, lol
[16:27] <Please> ubottu: Ok!
[16:29] <Please> What is this new installing updates screen during splash screen? This is really annoying. We never had such a thing in linux that requires double reboots to install an update! Did we copy Microsoft Windows?
[16:31] <leftyfb> Please: what exactly are you referring to? There are zero updates in ubuntu that force you to reboot.
[16:32] <tomreyn> maybe it's a firmware update? but that would be happening outside of ubuntu
[16:34] <tomreyn> Please: take and upload a photo, discuss your ubuntu version etc.
[16:36] <Please> I see regular updates that requires reboot and during reboot, after grub and loading kernel, splash screen will show installing updates XX% and then requires another reboot after that. I'm using ubuntu 21.10 for desktop and right now I don't have any pictures. But I will grab one as soon as it happens
[16:37] <leftyfb> Please: that does not sounds like ubuntu to me
[16:37] <BluesKaj> Please, turn off automatic updates in your package manager
[16:37] <leftyfb> Please: also, as I said, zero updates will force you to reboot. Do your updates and don't worry about rebooting until you feel like it
[16:38] <tomreyn> there are updates which require reboots for the reboot to be applied, but the reboot does not need to be done instantly, you can do it any time later.
[16:39] <tomreyn> updates installig on a splash screen during boot would be news to me, i don't think that exists as part of ubuntu.
[16:39] <leftyfb> it doesn't
[16:39] <Please> I know about kernel updates. But this one is new and I'd never seen something like that. It does the update process during splash screen and requires further reboots
[16:40] <tomreyn> see my above theory about a firmware upgrade
[16:40] <leftyfb> I've been running Ubuntu since 2007, there is no splash screen in ubuntu that says "installing updates XX%"
[16:48] <ioria> quite sure it's the firmware, 'cause it needs to be done one by one ( If there were more than one firmware update), so multiple reboots
[16:49] <ioria> Please, something like this ? :  https://i1.wp.com/itsfoss.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/firmware-update-in-progress-ubuntu.jpg?w=800&ssl=1
[16:50] <Please> Maybe I have to mention that is Kubuntu, but I don't think so if it is something specific to kubuntu. Yet I'm asking it in #kubuntu to see if I get any answers or not
[16:50] <Please> ioria: No :)
[16:55] <arsix> hi, y'all, i'm on ubuntu 21.10 (upgraded from 20.04). i have my keyboard layout set to dvorak but when i login to my window manager (spectrwm, *not* the stock ubuntu WM) for the first time after reboot, i end up in qwerty. it's especially strange because it's definitely dvorak at the gdm3 screen. also strange is that i've got a specific line in my .xsession file that explicitly runs setxkbmap and i *know*
[16:55] <arsix> this line is getting executed but i still end up in qwerty. it doesn't happen if i log in with the stock ubuntu WM, though, so i'm not sure what's going on here. anybody have any ideas?
[16:57] <leftyfb> arsix: sounds like a spectrwm issue
[16:59] <Please> Alright folks. Found it. It is something related to Discover. A packages manager used in KDE. It downloads updates and schedules installing them during next reboot. https://blog.neon.kde.org/2021/03/01/offline-updates-are-coming/
[17:01] <ioria> mistery solved, but i don't think that is stock/default
[17:04] <Please> It comes with KDE. So if you don't use KDE or auto updates in Discover, you will not have the chance to meet this glorious screen.
[17:05] <axsuul> Hi, I'm having an issue where on reboot, one of my USB devices disappears from /dev/tty*. The only way to fix this so far is to unplug the USB device and plug it back in and then it'll reappear (e.g. /dev/ttyACM0). Any suggestions on how to solve this issue?
[17:05] <axsuul> I'm on 20.04
[17:06] <ioria> i see
[17:08] <Please> axsuul: After reboot and before unplugging and replugging it, check if the usb device is listed using lsusb. If it was not, check journalctrl to see if it see reporting failures during usb device enumeration. If there were error logs, then it means your usb device has problems.
[17:09] <arsix> leftyfb: yeah, that would be my inclination, too, but this has never been a problem before i upgraded to 21.10, so i'm wondering if the stock ubuntu WM runs some extra init script on startup that spectrwm just doesn't know about or something like that. i'm also asking in the spectrwm support channel, for what it's worth
[17:11] <Please> Is this Arduino? Did you add any special rules to make it accessible for normal users?
[18:11] <jhutchins> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/49650/how-to-get-keycodes-for-xmodmap
[18:13] <evul18> Hey there! I had two servers that magically started failing to apt/apt-get update. It always fails by just saying Connection Failed [IP: <IP> <Port>] I can curl and wget the endpoints without any issue and no proxy is configured. I rebooted one server to troubleshoot, and when it came back up it works exactly as intended. What else can I possibly
[18:13] <evul18> check to figure out what could be causing this?
[18:13] <jhutchins> Please: The device is probably looking for some sort of initialisation that is not triggered by reboot.
[18:13] <jhutchins> Please: Ooops, sry.
[18:14] <evul18> What would a reboot possibly fix or change that I can't do through some other mechanism?
[18:17] <jhutchins> evul18: Re-initialising the USB bus.
[18:17] <jhutchins> Man, I'm sure getting my threads mixed up.  Time for less posting and more coffee.
[18:18] <evul18> jhutchins ha. I was going to say, I don't think that would impact it, but I'm willing to try anything :P
[18:19] <tomreyn> evul18: maybe the network environment got misconfigured through dhcp previously, and the reboot helped? or maybe the there was a temporary network issue outside of this system?
[18:19] <Please> axsuul doesn't talk, so we really don't know. We need to know what the usb device is and providing VID/PID can be useful. I have developed some usb devices, but I never had faced such problem.
[18:20] <evul18> tomreyn both servers are on the same VLAN, same vSphere host, etc. and are using the same internet connection.
[18:20] <axsuul> Please: thanks, sorry about that! I actually discovered that the USB device is having the issue itself. it's the Aeotec Z-Stick Gen5 and it has issues with the raspi 4, which I'm using
[18:20] <evul18> After rebooting the single server, it continues to work, and the old one continues to not work. It's got to be something OS related tomreyn
[18:20] <axsuul> Looks like it has issues if port is USB3
[18:21] <tomreyn> evul18: oh, so you still have one where you can reproduce it? then i'd take a look at the routing there
[18:22] <tomreyn> i.e. start with a traceroute tot he target
[18:22] <tomreyn> you may end up looking at the OS next, but i still think it's good to start there
[18:23] <Please> axsuul: I'm pleased
[18:23] <evul18> tomreyn I have no issue curl'ing to wget'ing to the apt repos. It's not a connection issue, at least from an external perspective.
[18:24] <tomreyn> evul18: you can run apt with more verbose output. there are the Debug::Acquire* options, for example
[18:25] <tomreyn> search for Debug::Acquire in apt.conf(5)
[18:26] <tomreyn> use the relevant option for the network protocol (URI scheme) you use to access the apt mirrors
[18:26] <evul18> I did that, but I don't see anything meaningful tomreyn would you. mind taking a look at the log if I pastebin it?
[18:26] <tomreyn> i would not mind
[18:27] <evul18> tomreyn https://pastebin.com/jJhJAAqr
 use the relevant option for the network protocol (URI scheme) you use to access the apt mirrors
[18:28] <evul18> tomreyn, I am via curl/wget, it's all just straight http on tcp/80
[18:29] <tomreyn> so why don't you use Debug::Acquire::http
[18:30] <tomreyn> which mirror is the one giving the problems?
[18:31] <evul18> Every one except for Hit:5 https://apt.datadoghq.com stable Release doesn't get a hit.
[18:31] <ioria> also 'sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes update '  might help
[18:32] <ioria> FailReason: HttpError404
[18:32] <mojtaba> Hello, does anybody know how can I add an app indicator in Gnome top bar? (basically I want to add that indicator based on the existence of a background process.)
[18:32] <evul18> ioria I see not additional output from using that one.
[18:33] <samlamamma> I'm in a broken mess of Nvidia drivers. GLX is missing, Ubuntu drivers says I have 390, and nvidia-detector says nvidia-driver-495. What can I do?
[18:34] <ioria> evul18, can you ping ping us.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[18:34] <evul18> tomreyn see using https://pastebin.com/BgmA4AN7
[18:34] <samlamamma> And nvidia-uninstall uninstalled 470.94 for me, great!
[18:35] <evul18> yes ioria, although it's resolving to banjo or kazooie.canonical.com
[18:35] <tomreyn> evul18: and you can positively rule out a transient proxy issue?
[18:35] <evul18> ioria and see with your debug flag: https://pastebin.com/1XzTZM8G
[18:37] <evul18> tomreyn, I've done what I can, and one server working after a reboot wouldn't be a proxy issue. I tried doing a wget of the InRelease file on the failing machine, and my own personal machine, and they sha256sum to the exact same hash. What more can I do to rule it out?
[18:38] <ioria> i suspect this apt.datadoghq.com agent, but really don't know what that is
[18:39] <tomreyn> evul18: not much, i guess. all i can think of is some network issue such as mtu / mss OR something related to third party software, libc issues.
[18:39] <tomreyn> but that's a lot of guessing
[18:39] <morfius> Привет всем
[18:40] <evul18> ioria it's a monitoring agent, which, ironically, has monitors to the same endpoints and has zero issues connecting to them. It uses the python requests package to perform those checks.
[18:40] <ioria> ok
[18:40] <evul18> tomreyn would that explain the the reboot making it work on the other host?
[18:42] <tomreyn> evul18: if it was an abi incompatibility between some software, some of which got upgraded, yes, it could.
[18:43] <evul18> I was just hoping I could fix without rebooting, so I can fix it programmatically in Ansible.
[18:44] <tomreyn> do you know "needrestart"? it can help detect such situations
[18:45] <tomreyn> apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$' | nc termbin.com 9999     may also hint on what you need to work on
[18:50] <evul18> tomreyn I am not familiar with `needrestart`, is that this? http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/needrestart.1.html
[18:51] <evul18> tomreyn there's a single package that is show as local.
[18:51] <tomreyn> yes, but xenial would be eol
[18:51] <evul18> Yeah, just saying the man page ;P
[18:52] <tomreyn> there can be newer ones, so...
[18:52] <tomreyn> mind telling what the local package is?
[18:53] <evul18> sumocollector
[18:53] <evul18> It's a part of sumologic.com's offerings.
[18:54] <tomreyn> hmm, ok, i assume they provide packages compatblie to current releases, and hope you'll ensure those are being used
[18:54] <tomreyn> as you do for datadog
[18:55] <tomreyn> so, i'm sorry, but i have no good explanation :-/
[18:55] <tomreyn> just loose theories
[18:56] <tomreyn> you could, of course, capture the traffic and examine it
[18:56] <tomreyn> and compare it to the system which is happy
[18:56] <evul18> tomreyn whats the proper way to use needsrestart?
[18:57] <evul18> I ask because I thought that most packages in the repos will auto restart or reload anything as needed.
[18:59] <evul18> Of course, I can't even install it on the host I need it on, either, because it can't access the repos lol.
[19:02] <evul18> I can manually grab the packages via wget, but apt fails when it tries itself lol
[19:04] <tomreyn> !apt-offline
[19:05] <tomreyn> evul18: apt-offline can let you gather the packages on a system with working repo access, to install it on a system without
[19:06] <evul18> I just used dpkg
[19:06] <tomreyn> !info apt-offline
[19:14] <[twisti]> i made an ubuntu live usb stick, and after booting the first thing i did was apt upgrade, and it runs out of space, but the usb stick is big, 16gb, so i know its not actually full, anything i can do about it
[19:14] <evul18> Funny enough, the server that was rebooted before is now having the exact same issue again tomreyn.
[19:15] <tomreyn> evul18: i'd do the tcpdump, even though you know it can work fine with other http clients
[19:25] <adac> Does somebody of you use pop os gnome tiling extension? I have some issues with changing the workspaces via shortcut. It won't change with super ctrl up/down for some reason
[19:25] <leftyfb> !popos | adac
[19:25] <rfm> e
[19:26] <adac> ok
[19:39] <cambrian_invader> hi, I'm getting some strange 404 errors when trying to update https://paste.debian.net/1223886/
[19:40] <cambrian_invader> apt can't find the packages, but when I use the same url I can download them with curl
[19:42] <cambrian_invader> (I ran update before trying to upgrade)
[19:45] <tomreyn> cambrian_invader: us.ports.ubuntu.com resolves to multiple ip addresses, content is possibly served by multiple servers. you may want to use the --resolve option with curl to resolve to the same ip address apt resolved it to
[19:45] <tomreyn> namely <IP_ADDRESS>
[19:46] <tomreyn> other than that, this can be the result of a transparent proxy / traffic rerouting - you're using a plain http mirror
[19:51] <cambrian_invader> tomreyn: I tried using the exact IP address and got the file fine
[19:54] <tomreyn> evul18: you see this? maybe there's actually a temporary issue with the cdn that (IIRC) sits behind us.archive.ubuntu.com
[19:54] <tomreyn> cambrian_invader: you might want to bring this up in #ubuntu-mirrors
[19:54] <evul18> Hmm
[19:55] <evul18> I'm not getting a 404, I'm just getting a very generic, connection failed.
[19:55] <tomreyn> ah right, different symptoms, probably unrelated
[19:57] <tomreyn> cambrian_invader: maybe try one of the other U.S. mirrors, at least temporarily https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors#yui_3_10_3_1_1639770926294_62
[19:58] <cambrian_invader> ok, I will try that
[20:02] <evul18> tomreyn I'm seeing quite a few RST's in the dump, from the ubuntu endpoints.
[20:02] <SantaCoz> happy day all
[20:08] <cambrian_invader> tomreyn: one thing I didn't mention is that it's only for particular packages
[20:08] <cambrian_invader> there were some other packages I updated and those worked fine
[20:09] <tomreyn> evul18: :-/ maybe #ubuntu-mirrors then
[20:11] <tomreyn> cambrian_invader: this may suggest that the information on latest package versions on this mirror is not insync with the packages available on it.
[20:12] <tomreyn> evul37: so...your irc connection just dropped?
[20:22] <evul37> tomreyn my input for kb/mouse stopped working for whatever reason, so I had to dc my laptop from my dock, which disconnected the ethernet...
[20:23] <tomreyn> oh, so no network issues, good
[20:26] <donofrio> anyone here know how I can mount images created by partimage on my ubuntu workstation?  the files are stored locally just not sure of mount command?
[20:59] <xheimlich> sometimes my home internet starts using ipv6 addresses for whatever reason and I can't use apt. or some apt repositories, etc.
[21:00] <xheimlich> I didn't want to create an account just to post a paste, sorry. https://bpa.st/VAQA
[21:14] <tomreyn> xheimlich: well, those 404 status codes would be correct, since these packages (package versions) don't exist, and the 404s are reported by on both the ipv4 and ipv6 address.
[21:16] <tomreyn> https://bpa.st/H2QQ
[21:18] <xheimlich> did my repository list become corrupted somehow
[21:18] <mojtaba> Hello, does anybody know how can I add an app indicator in Gnome top bar? (basically I want to add that indicator based on the existence of a background process.)
[21:19] <tomreyn> xheimlich: did you update the packacge cache first? sudo apt update
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> Another quiet one... Has Ubuntu reached nirvana?
[23:03] <jhutchins> AcidMan: It seems to go in waves these days.
[23:03] <jhutchins> AcidMan: Oops.
[23:07] <Bashing-om> AcidMan: ^ Just a testamony to how user friendly the OS had become - and the documentatuon gets better - the support staff is becoming a relic of the past !
[23:10] <orange1> can you guys add python2-espeak in the repos again. only python3-espeak is there with newer ubuntu versions
[23:11] <oerheks> python2 is dead, orange1 .. i guess there will be no volunteers to do that, nor give support
[23:11] <orange1> ok
[23:13] <jhutchins> orange1: I've found that some code that defaults to python2 has the internal code to use python3, you just need to go through and tweak some of the calls.
[23:15] <orange1> ok, its no big deal. i just made a ircbot that does text to speech. i just have to convert it to python 3
[23:36] <oli_b> Hi All
[23:58] <yukiup> hay


[17:25] <cyberanger> Ubik: (and anyone else who likes VoIP and SMS) https://www.flowroute.com/sms/ Flowroute now has an SMS beta


[03:01] <slangasek> bdmurray: the '%s' % [...] seems unnecessary, you should be able to just do [var]
[03:01] <bdmurray> slangasek: okay
[03:02] <slangasek> bdmurray: (fixing locally and merging)
[09:28] <Laney> Hrm
[09:28] <Laney> gdk-pixbuf was blocked on chromium-browser autopkgtest failure, but it just migrated
[10:54] <jamespage> please could someone reject libunwind from saucy
[10:54] <jamespage> I really must upgrade and stop doing that
[11:07] <xnox> jamespage: just "upgrade" devscripts & distro-info from trusty ;-)
[12:46] <xnox> infinity: cjwatson: "Supported: 9m" in Packages in trusty/main. Shouldn't that change for trusty & a step added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewReleaseCycleProcess ?
[13:22] <cjwatson> xnox: Yes, file an LP bug please
[13:22] <xnox> cjwatson: against "ubuntu" or launchpad or?
[13:23] <xnox> TB?
[13:23] <cjwatson> xnox: Sorry, I meant an LP bug on Launchpad itself :)
[13:23] <cjwatson> Certainly not TB
[13:23] <cjwatson> LP has some code that hardcodes Ubuntu codenames and deals with all this stuff
[13:29] <ogra_> cjwatson, while you say fonts ... wouldnt it make sense to have a vUDS session about content packaging ? (books, wallpapers, fonts, whatever other content)
[13:29] <ogra_> (for click that is)
[13:31] <xnox> bug #1248955
[13:31] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1248955 in Launchpad itself "Please update maintenance-timeframe.py for ubuntu 14.04 (TRUSTY)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1248955
[13:32] <cjwatson> ogra_: I think that could be handled fine on the mailing list
[13:32] <ogra_> k
[13:32] <cjwatson> ogra_: The core facilities are all there
[13:32] <cjwatson> Just needs people to write hooks for things they care about
[16:16] <Laney> can someone aim wayland at better arm64 hardware?
[16:18] <cjwatson> sure
[16:18] <Laney> ta
[16:22] <cjwatson> hmph, birch is unwell now
[16:22]  * cjwatson goes to powerstab
[16:47] <slangasek> um, who just accepted shim-signed into -updates?
[16:48] <slangasek> bdmurray: that wasn't you, was it?
[16:48] <stgraber> slangasek: that was me
[16:49] <slangasek> stgraber: needs to be undone
[16:49] <stgraber> slangasek: hmm, ok, what's the problem?
[16:49] <slangasek> that's part of the SRU bundle for 1229572
[16:49] <slangasek> which is not verification-done
[16:49] <stgraber> hmm, why didn't pending-sru tell me as much?
[16:49] <slangasek> and that shim-signed depends on a newer version of shim than is present in -updates
[16:50] <slangasek> because by the nature of the SRU, it's all binary copies from trusty
[16:50] <slangasek> (technically shim-signed didn't need to be a binary copy; in the future I'll avoid doing it for that one)
[16:51] <slangasek> stgraber: in general, you should be suspicious of any SRU that *doesn't* have bug numbers referenced on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html and make sure you really know what's going on with it before copying :-)
[16:52] <slangasek> stgraber: can you delete them back out of -updates, please?  since they'll be uninstallable for people
[16:52] <slangasek> hmm, it will have clobbered the version in precise-updates though
[16:53] <slangasek> stgraber: can you help with the verification today so we can get that all properly published?
[16:53] <stgraber> right, was about to say, I can do that for all of them by precise
[16:53] <bdmurray> could you manually set the phased update percentage to 0 in the mean time?
[16:54] <slangasek> bdmurray: irrelevant, the package has unsatisfiable deps so won't ever be pulled in
[16:54] <slangasek> (at least, I can't think of a case where the PUP will make a difference for this)
[16:55] <bdmurray> ah, okay
[16:55] <stgraber> slangasek: so I've removed that one from -updates from all releases for now, hopefully nobody will actually have seen it
[16:56] <stgraber> slangasek: so I suspect the easiest way of dealing with that for precise is for me to do the whole validation for bug 1229572 and if it all works, then release the whole set later today
[16:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1229572 in shim-signed (Ubuntu Raring) "backport SecureBoot support from 13.10 for 12.04.4" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1229572
[16:57] <slangasek> stgraber: agreed - thanks :)
[17:01] <stgraber> slangasek: for 2) that's shim-signed, right? so since it's a binary copy from trusty we can consider it as good as my laptop currently boots fine with and without SB using the same signed binary
[17:12] <stgraber> slangasek: shim-signed FTBFS on precise
[17:13] <stgraber> slangasek: well, shim-signed from precise-proposed, FTBFS when built against precise-proposed
[17:13] <stgraber> because it b-d on sbsigntool >= 0.6-0ubuntu4 but the precise backport of that one in 0.6-0ubuntu4~12.04.1
[17:23] <stgraber> slangasek: ^ for your review, this one builds fine against precise-proposed. (I had to bump the version a bit to be higher than the previous binary copy)
[17:28] <slangasek> stgraber: no, 2) is about rebuilding shim and making sure that if we ever need to rebuild it in precise, that it is buildable
[17:28] <slangasek> stgraber: shim-signed, looking
[17:29] <stgraber> slangasek: shim rebuild is part of 1) I believe (and I confirmed it still builds fine against -proposed a few minutes ago)
[17:29] <slangasek> stgraber: it's rebuild /and make sure the built binary works/
[17:29] <slangasek> because we're making changes to gnu-efi itself as part of this SRU batch
[17:30] <stgraber> slangasek: ok, I'll run the binary under OVMF quickly, can't test under SB though since it's unsigned (which is the confusing bit in 2) since it asks to test with SB, which is impossible)
[17:30] <slangasek> stgraber: self-signing...
[17:37] <stgraber> rebuilt shim works fine under UEFI (tested in OVMF)
[17:37] <slangasek> hurrah
[17:38] <stgraber> so once the new shim-signed is built, that'll be all the validation for precise done, since we don't have a shim-signed in -updates anymore, I'll just ingore the validation delay and move the whole stack to precise-updates
[17:44] <slangasek> stgraber: ack
[17:56] <rbasak> utlemming: ^^ you're up :)
[17:56] <utlemming> rbasak: thank :)
[17:57] <utlemming> er, thanks :)
[18:20] <stgraber> slangasek: all released now to precise-updates (after doing one last check on a precise SB system with -proposed enabled)
[18:23] <slangasek> stgraber: perfect, thanks.  Do you want to verify q/r while you're at it?  (saucy shouldn't require any further validation, the only update there is shim-signed)
[18:24] <stgraber> slangasek: yeah, I won't do an actual hardware boot though as that'd be too time consuming but I'll do the rebuilds and test shim under OVMF, that should be good enough
[18:25] <slangasek> ok
[18:26] <slangasek> also just noticed that -proposed still only had shim-signed 1.4; I'll prep another round of uploads for 1.5
[18:56] <bdmurray> stgraber: are you still doing SRU queue work?  I didn't want to overlap with you
[18:59] <stgraber> bdmurray: I'm just dealing with secureboot validation at this point, so freel free to take anything else.
[19:00] <bdmurray> got it, thanks
[19:16] <slangasek> cjwatson: did bug #1242417 not affect releases < saucy?  I was going to push shim-signed back as an SRU, wondering if I should include/exclude that change and/or worry about validating it
[19:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1242417 in ubuntustudio-default-settings (Ubuntu Trusty) "UEFI install broken when GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR!=Ubuntu (e.g. Kubuntu/UbuntuStudio)" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1242417
[19:38] <stgraber> slangasek: while not strictly needed (since -updates isn't broken) I think I'll also do the mass release to quantal and raring once I'm done with the linux-signed rebuild for both, that way we have the same stuff everywhere (so basically also ignore the validation delay for shim-signed in quantal and raring)
[19:55] <stgraber> slangasek: and all done
[20:13] <infinity> stgraber: Hrm, linux-signed was rebuilt?
[20:15] <infinity> stgraber: I was going to do a massive round of kernel SRU promotions today, do I need some context here?
[20:15] <stgraber> infinity: just a test-rebuild on my machine to make sure the new signing tools didn't break the build
[20:15] <stgraber> so nothing to worry about on your side
[20:15] <infinity> Ahh, kay.
[20:57] <infinity> +        ("9m", UbuntuMaintenance.SUPPORTED_SEEDS),
[20:57] <infinity> xnox: ^
[20:57] <infinity> xnox: That doesn't seem right.
[20:58] <stgraber> infinity: is that from the LP Supported override code?
[20:59] <infinity> Yeah.
[21:00] <stgraber> I know this was updated in a bit of a rush when we forgot to change it to 9 months last release, though it's weird that this would have broken LTS handling somehow
[21:00] <infinity> Maybe I need context, and "SUPPORTED" isn't what I think it is.
[21:00] <xnox> infinity: adding armel back, as we still publish quantal.
[21:01] <xnox> SUPPORTED_SEEDS = ["all"]
[21:01] <infinity> Ahh, indeed, SUPPORTED_SEEDS is...
[21:01] <infinity> What you said.
[21:01] <infinity> Badly named variable is badly named.
[21:02] <xnox> infinity: so only SERVER_SEEDS and DESKTOP_SEEDS get 5y. All other seeds get 9m. the rest is universe, unsupported.
[21:02] <infinity> xnox: Yeah, I followed the code and got there.
[21:02] <xnox> infinity: server + desktop are: server-ship  supported-server ship supported-desktop supported-desktop-extra
[21:02] <infinity> xnox: Like I said, just a terribly named variable.
[21:03] <stgraber> that seems vaguely wrong
[21:03] <xnox> ah, ok.
[21:03] <infinity> stgraber: It's a bit more complex than that.
[21:03] <stgraber> for example I'd expect something in the server supported seed to get 5y and apparently that's not the case
[21:04] <infinity>     SERVER_SEEDS = [
[21:04] <infinity>         "server-ship",
[21:04] <infinity>         "supported-server",
[21:04] <infinity>         ]
[21:04] <infinity> It should, according to the code.
[21:04] <infinity> For precise, that is.  This MP is adding trusty, so everything's 9m right now.
[21:05] <xnox> infinity: stgraber: I followed Precise example and then: (a) change 18m -> 9m for SUPPORTED; (b) dropped kubuntu from DISTRO_NAMES for LTS; (c) added armhf + arm64 to pseudo supported arches.
[21:05] <stgraber> bah, yeah, I checked against trusty, ignore me (was missing context a bit here ;))
[21:05] <stgraber> xnox: what's the URL to that MP?
[21:05] <xnox> stgraber: =)))) the merge proposal is exactly to fix this now, instead of on the release day.
[21:05] <infinity> https://code.launchpad.net/~xnox/launchpad/update-maintenance-check-3/+merge/194416
[21:06] <stgraber> ok, so are we planning on adding all the LTS flavours to DISTRO_NAMES or do we just not care about Supported reflecting reality for those?
[21:06] <xnox> stgraber: cause i remember colin was twiddling it for raring release.
[21:07] <stgraber> looks like back in precise we didn't bother at least (I just checked Edubuntu and we don't have Supported: 5y there)
[21:07] <xnox> stgraber: i don't know. I know that Kubuntu is LTS for Precise and one can get comercial support for it from the primary ubuntu sponsor.
[21:07] <infinity> stgraber: I think we need to discuss that.  The plan was to extend the Supported field to something machine-parsable and more informative for flavours supported by !Canonical, but that never happened.
[21:07] <stgraber> xnox: yeah, that was the whole, oops, we completely forgot to update it from 18m to 9m up until the last minute ;)
[21:08] <stgraber> infinity: yeah, I guess we can stick to whatever we had in precise, nobody complained about this I believe, so that's fine
[21:08] <infinity> stgraber: So, we could still make time to do that work, *or* we could just use the field as-is and announce support for everyone who says they have it, *or* do what we apparently did in precise and let people advertise their own support.
[21:08] <stgraber> infinity: FWIW I have scripts running in cron generating said support lists, we just never bothered to integrate that with the archive somehow ;)
[21:09] <xnox> infinity: at the moment supported fields exactly list Canonical commitments. Who knows what happens to !Canonical, we ain't going to republish release pocket.
[21:09] <stgraber> http://people.canonical.com/~stgraber/supported-packages/
[21:09] <infinity> xnox: I know.
[21:09] <stgraber> xnox: not really true, we unfortunately have packages without Supported: that are supported for LTS and packages that are Supported: which really aren't ;)
[21:10] <xnox> stgraber: software has bugs, otherwise i'd be out of job =)
[21:10] <xnox> stgraber: yeah, there are blurred lines =)
[21:11] <stgraber> xnox: because the set of packages covered by the security team isn't the same set as the one supported under Ubuntu Advantage. There are also a few cases where we have source packages that are marked as supported but where the security team only commited to a subset of the binaries, ...
[21:12] <stgraber> the plan was to move those support declarations to live outside the archive so they can evolve on their own and we could split Ubuntu Advantage from Canonical Security and add flavour support there too, but we've so far had more pressing stuff to work on
[21:12] <xnox> stgraber: I knew about security lists, but not about per binary splits.
[21:12] <infinity> stgraber: That last case works fine.  There's no Supported field for, say, nscd.
[21:12] <infinity> (Not, it all falls apart if someone SEEDs an unsupported binary, but that's a fault in the seeds, not the method)
[21:13] <xnox> infinity: well, but there is no security seed.
[21:13] <xnox> infinity: and there arguably should be one.
[21:13] <infinity> Oh, this arguably needs a better design, and vorlon and I talked about it at length.
[21:14] <infinity> And then he sacrificed me to another manager.
[21:14] <xnox> =)))))))
[21:14] <stgraber> xnox: we currently assume any binary package (not source) in main is covered, which isn't ideal but is close enough for now
[21:14] <xnox> .... clearly it was a hint your approach was the wrong one ;-)
[21:15] <xnox> stgraber: i'm yet to see a security upload for autoconf =)
[21:16] <stgraber> the new support declaration stuff is a clear requirement for the archive reorg since without the main/universe split, we'd loose our current way of managing support length, but since we haven't been making much progress on the archive reorg side lately, nothing has been moving much (that whole phone/tablet stuff took away the already limited resources)
[21:16] <xnox> stgraber: i don't think the build-dependencies are actually covered by security team as they typically pose no risk, we are a binary distribution not a source one =)
[21:17] <stgraber> xnox: the security team typically have scripts looking for CVEs for any package in main, whatever the reason for the package to be in main, then triage those based on the actual effect for the distro. So something that's strictly build-dep likely won't have a very high priority, but I'd still expect it to show up on their reports.
[21:18] <xnox> i see.
[21:18] <xnox> .... anyway =)
[21:18] <xnox> stgraber: i hope there will be an ack on the branch and to get it merged before we release trusty.
[21:20] <stgraber> infinity: did you already send a branch to kill people.u.c from maintenance-check.py? (just noticed it again while reading through it for the Supported field changes)
[21:22] <infinity> stgraber: cjwatson has a branch in flight to make it configurable for cron.germinate, he may have missed maint-check, didn't look yet.
[21:24] <infinity> https://code.launchpad.net/~cjwatson/launchpad/configurable-germinate-base/+merge/194340
[21:24] <infinity> Yeah, looks like it just got generate-extra-overrides, not the other.
[22:23] <slangasek> stgraber: yes, given that the shim-signed change was just dropping the build-dep version, that seems fine to me - thanks for taking care of it!
[22:24] <slangasek> infinity: ... and since then I've forgotten what we even talked about, so I'm blissfully ignorant