[02:00] <corevette> are there any previews of ubuntu mobile?
[02:00] <corevette> what it's going to look like?


[01:57] <pleia2> team meeting in a couple minutes :)
[02:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
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[02:00] <pleia2> ok, anyone here for the meeting? :)
[02:00] <pleia2> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/13April07
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[02:00] <pleia2> ^^ Agenda
[02:01] <grantbow> o/
[02:04] <pleia2> tough crowd
[02:04] <pleia2> well I suppose we can start :)
[02:04] <pleia2> #topic Release Parties
[02:04] <pballew> No party currently in San Diego
[02:05] <pleia2> welcome pballew
[02:05] <pleia2> so the release is coming up on April 25th
[02:05] <pleia2> unfortunately I'll be out of town for the release (and a couple weeks after) so I won't be around to plan anything in SF
[02:06] <grantbow> I'll beat some bushes, lol
[02:06] <pleia2> so if anyone wants to do a Thirsty Bear or Panera Bread release event here, please :)
[02:06] <geofft> Hmmm
[02:06] <pleia2> or, you know, anything else
[02:06] <pballew> That is my finals week so I am not gonna have any time to do anything really.
[02:07] <pleia2> I'll mention this at our SF Ubuntu Hour on Wednesday too
[02:07] <grantbow> maybe we can get the EFF to host something :-)
[02:07] <pballew> If it is after the 5th of may I should be in the northern ca area
[02:07] <grantbow> or another tech nonprofit
[02:08] <pballew> or pleia2 's apartment while she is gone is we dont tell her?
[02:09] <pleia2> :P
[02:12] <pleia2> so, anyone else have anything about release parties?
[02:13] <pleia2> #topic any other business
[02:13] <pleia2> anyone else have anything?
[02:13] <pleia2> I mentioned SF Ubuntu hour coming up on Wednesday: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-california/2331-ubuntu-hour-san-francisco/
[02:13] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu Hour San Francisco | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[02:13] <pleia2> doing a Debian Dinner and Henry's Hunan after
[02:14] <grantbow> expect some guests from next door on Wed, it was announced on the internal email list
[02:14] <pleia2> hooray!
[02:17] <pleia2> ok, well unless anyone has anything else I guess we can wrap this up
[02:17] <pleia2> going once :)
[02:18] <pleia2> Twice!
[02:19] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[02:19] <darthrobot> Meeting ended Mon Apr  8 02:19:36 2013 UTC.
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[02:19] <grantbow> Thanks for chairing pleia2
[06:44] <The_Letter_M> Hello All
[06:53] <philipballew> The_Letter_M, hey!
[06:53] <philipballew> whats up?
[13:23] <ryaxnb15> oh hi jercos
[13:25] <jercos> 'lo ryaxnb15
[13:25] <jercos> what's new?
[18:01] <bkerensa> is it sunny in california?
[18:01] <bkerensa> there should be a site.... isitsunnyincalifornia.com
[18:01] <pleia2> it's sunny in SF
[18:01] <bkerensa> =/
[18:01] <bkerensa> rain rain rain here for days
[18:02] <pleia2> it was gloomy all weekend, rained last night
[18:02] <raevol> it's not sunny in SD
[18:02] <bkerensa> and I have to go teach xubuntu class Wednesday.... I take public transit but its a long walk from the closest stop so hopefully no rain
[18:02] <bkerensa> ;X
[18:04] <bkerensa> well time to go update my slides so they make better sense and I don't failwhale again :)
[22:02] <The_Letter_M> Hello Hello Hello
[22:07] <pleia2> hoping to publish soon, but the wiki isn't cooperating
[22:08] <pleia2> (of course as soon as I say that, it loads :))
[22:13] <The_Letter_M> So pleia2
[22:13] <The_Letter_M> Are there any plans for a launch party for Raring?
[22:13] <pleia2> heh, if I knew what channel I was in
[22:14] <The_Letter_M> Preferably in the F region
[22:14] <pleia2> The_Letter_M: no one has planned anything, no :(
[22:14] <The_Letter_M> SF
[22:14] <pleia2> (and I'll be out of town)
[22:14] <The_Letter_M> oh
[22:14] <pleia2> grantbow said he was going to ask around to see if anyone wants to do anything
[22:14] <pleia2> and I'll ask folks at the Ubuntu Hour on Wednesday
[22:15] <The_Letter_M> cool


[08:49] <glitchd_> anybody in here have teamspeak by chance?
[08:51] <glitchd_> anybody in here have teamspeak by chance?
[13:45] <CIA-16> base-installer: cjwatson * r963 ubuntu/ (15 files in 4 dirs): merge from Debian 1.122
[13:47] <CIA-16> base-installer: cjwatson * r964 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.122ubuntu1
[13:50] <DW-10297> Any chance that the Adaptec 6405 is going to be supported in installer anytime soon? killing me =D
[13:51] <cjwatson> It's probably best to ask the kernel team about that
[13:51] <cjwatson> We just use the kernel they give us
[13:52] <DW-10297> How do I find these gents?
[13:52] <cjwatson> #ubuntu-kernel
[13:52] <DW-10297> I was praying so hard that 11.11 had the driver
[14:41] <DW-10297> cjwatson: okay so in a round about way I have figured out it's an installer issue =D
[14:42] <DW-10297> I thought it was a kernel issue because my auto install kickstart script told me that there was no root partition defined, so I just stupidly assumed that it was because the raid controller didn't work
[14:44] <DW-10297> So I removed all of the lines relevant to disks from the kickstart file, and what it does is takes me to the "[!!] Partition Disks" screen, the only option on this screen says: "Configure ISCSI Volumes".. However if I hit "Go Back" here and then 'Partition Disks'
[14:45] <DW-10297> it takes me to the screen asking me if I want to remove the LVM data already on the drive
[14:45] <DW-10297> so it seems like the first time it calls partman it's highly confused
[14:45] <DW-10297> but the second time it isn't
[14:46] <cjwatson> I don't really have mental bandwidth to help right now, because I'm doing several other complex things; a bug report about this would need to have the kickstart file (with passwords removed) plus the syslog and partman installer logs
[14:46] <cjwatson> then hopefully it can be reproduced in a VM
[14:48] <DW-10297> this is the last question I will burden you with, is the version of the netboot in the server ISO the current version?
[14:49] <cjwatson> probably, but in any case it's best to fetch it from the archive
[14:50] <cjwatson> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/oneiric-updates/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[14:50] <cjwatson> er, hah, that doesn't exist yet, s/oneiric-updates/oneiric/
[14:50] <cjwatson> when a more current version is published, it will be in oneiric-updates
[14:51] <cjwatson> but that'd just be a refresh against kernel updates, most likely
[14:53] <DW-10297> ah, okay so hitting go back 'partition disks' and then enter a bunch of times actually results in a working install it appears
[14:53] <DW-10297> so no clue but I guess i'll just do that =)
[14:54] <cjwatson> sounds dodgy to me but if it works for you ...
[14:55] <DW-10297> I don't disagree that it's dodgy, I just need the server to work soon so my choices are limited, either use this or Fedora 16 =)
[14:55] <DW-10297> where can I drop the bug?
[14:55] <cjwatson> the debian-installer package in Ubuntu
[14:56] <DW-10297> is that at like bugzilla.ubuntu.com?
[14:57] <cjwatson> launchpad.net
[15:10] <CarlFK> DW-10297: https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian-installer
[15:11] <cjwatson> no
[15:11] <cjwatson> please do not use that link
[15:11] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer
[15:11] <CarlFK> ?
[15:12] <cjwatson> the link you gave represents debian-installer upstream, which does not use Launchpad for bug tracking; reports there will go into a black hole
[15:12] <CarlFK> er, never midn.. right/
[15:15] <CarlFK> DW-10297: I just did an install on a hardware raid that shows up as /dev/cciss/c0d0p not /dev/sda - I got the "no / defined" message.
[15:16] <DW-10297> if you hit back and then 'partition disks' does it work normally?
[15:16] <DW-10297> cjwatson: this is where I am trying to publish the bug will this work? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+filebug
[15:17] <cjwatson> yes
[15:18] <DW-10297> does the log file you need me to paste into here exist after the install is completed or do I need to copy it out during the install?
[15:19] <CarlFK> DW-10297: for me, back just looped to the same "no /" dialog.   I used dev/cciss/c0d0p for "d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/sda"
[15:19] <DW-10297> CarlFK: yeah, I removed all of the stuff related to disks in my kickstart script
[15:19] <DW-10297> if you have it in there it will infinitely loop
[15:19] <CarlFK> DW-10297:  /var/log/installer/syslog
[15:20] <DW-10297> CarlFK and that will exist after the install is completed?
[15:20] <CarlFK> yes
[15:21] <DW-10297> does launchpad give you the opportunity to submit attachments or should I just paste my kickstart/log into this little box?
[15:21] <DW-10297> i want to be least annoying as possible
[15:22] <CarlFK> attachments
[15:23] <CarlFK> for more in syslog DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 here is mine: append initrd=ubuntu/oneiric/amd64/initrd.gz root=/dev/rd/0 rw auto=true     netcfg/wireless_wep= interface=auto hostname= DEBCONF_DEBUG=5 url=shaz --
[15:26] <cjwatson> use DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer instead
[15:26] <cjwatson> (=5 won't produce a debug trace from stuff in the target)
[15:26] <cjwatson> however remember that DEBCONF_DEBUG exposes the password in the trace, so don't use it routinely, only when you're actually debugging stuff
[15:27] <cjwatson> it's sort of like strace
[15:31] <DW-10297> can you add an additional attachment to a bug after you submit it or should I create one file with the ks and the log?
[15:32] <DW-10297> okay, nevermind
[15:32] <DW-10297>  an additional attachment to a bug after you submit it or should I create one file with the ks and the log?
[15:33] <DW-10297> woops
[15:33] <DW-10297> Bug #893152
[15:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 893152 in debian-installer "Partition disks step shows no physical disks the first time it is activated" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/893152
[15:37] <CarlFK> you can attach multiple files, but need to do one at a time
[15:54] <CIA-16> user-setup: cjwatson * r251 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog user-setup-apply user-setup-ask):
[15:54] <CIA-16> user-setup: apt-install ecryptfs-utils and cryptsetup in user-setup-apply, not
[15:54] <CIA-16> user-setup: user-setup-ask (LP: #893014).
[15:55] <CIA-16> user-setup: cjwatson * r252 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.39ubuntu2
[22:25] <CIA-16> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5092 trunk/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[22:25] <CIA-16> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: apt-setup 1:0.55ubuntu1,
[22:25] <CIA-16> ubiquity: base-installer 1.122ubuntu1, choose-mirror 2.39ubuntu1, clock-setup
[22:25] <CIA-16> ubiquity: 0.109ubuntu1, console-setup 1.70ubuntu1, debian-installer-utils
[22:25] <CIA-16> ubiquity: 1.87ubuntu1, hw-detect 1.87ubuntu1, localechooser 2.38ubuntu1,
[22:25] <CIA-16> ubiquity: partman-ext3 66ubuntu1, partman-partitioning 83ubuntu1, partman-target
[22:25] <CIA-16> ubiquity: 76ubuntu1, user-setup 1.39ubuntu2.
[22:32] <CIA-16> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5093 trunk/debian/real-po/ (74 files): debconf-updatepo
[22:56] <CIA-16> ubiquity: cjwatson * r5094 trunk/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.9.3


[01:36] <pipegeek> Hrrm.  I can't seem to even find the string "Windows Boot Manager" in the ubiquity source.
[02:19] <pipegeek> ah, because it's the output of os-prober
[02:19] <pipegeek> and it looks like the reason those two options are disabled for dual-boot is that they're explicitly disabled, with the enigmatic comment,
[02:19] <pipegeek> # Supporting crypto and lvm in new installs only for now
[02:19] <pipegeek> which has been there since 2012
[02:19] <pipegeek> oh well haha


[01:09] <dbungert> so I've got a partial fix for LP: #1821412 that I think is worth an upload - how do I changelog a partial fix?  That bug also mentions wayland-specific issues that my fix doesn't address.  Or I could track the wayland stuff in a new bug maybe?
[01:13] <mwhudson> dbungert: my take is that the wayland stuff is a different issue so yeah
[01:14] <mwhudson> put that bug in your changelog and make sure the other stuff is covered in a different bug
[01:14] <mwhudson> dbungert: also want me to target that bug to some series? just focal or also h and i?
[01:26] <dbungert> mwhudson: I think this should be a pretty easy SRU actually, let's try B/F/H/I.  Does this need higher launchpad permissions?  I attempted to target the bug to a series but didn't see anything relevant.
[01:26] <mwhudson> yes, it requires some permission bit or other, i forget exactly which
[01:27] <mwhudson> dbungert: ok updated
[01:45] <mwhudson> how do i get apt-get update to output progress info when stdout is not a terminal?
[01:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> mwhudson: If you figure it out, I'd like to know. I feel like there's a dbus backend, but I've always wanted progress in a gui.
[01:47] <mwhudson> Eickmeyer[m]: well you can do it with python-apt if you want
[01:47] <mwhudson> but i don't really want to do that
[01:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, that's fair.
[01:48] <sarnold> mwhudson: pv -d pid maybe?
[01:55] <jchittum> took a bit, but i've confirmed that lxc containers for jammy are available now. lxc launch ubuntu-daily:jammy will get you something made today
[01:56] <bryceh> jchittum, ooh awesome, thanks
[01:56] <jchittum> cloud-images.ubuntu.com have dailies up as well, and streams are gtg. had some bumps getting streams together :/
[02:40] <mwhudson> Eickmeyer[m]: seems it's -q0
[02:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> mwhudson: Oh! Thanks!
[18:27] <mwhudson> oh boy the numbers on https://autopkgtest.ubuntu.com/running are not good
[18:41] <sarnold> oh my
[18:54] <tumbleweed> test all the things!
[21:27] <bdmurray> dbungert: Given that KillMode=process isn't recommended can you explain a bit more why this needed? Bug 1821412 for reference
[21:29] <dbungert> bdmurray: you may remember that I have branches that work and involve code changes.  Those successful ones all have in common that the main process sticks around until the report process is allowed to finish.  I mistakenly diagnosed problems with the report process to be a glib issue, but when I put together a simpler test case using glib but not systemd I saw no problem.
[21:30] <dbungert> the system crash dialog is being run by a chain of processes that ultimately is started by that systemd user service.  With the current code, the dialog process finishes first and leaves a child report process around.  systemd is cleaning up that child process and we don't want it to.
[21:31] <dbungert> we need the original process to go away or the gtk dialog stays around until the report process is done.
[21:45] <bdmurray> dbungert: okay, I'll upload it for jammy but the bug report could likely use more information for SRU'ing it.
[21:47] <dbungert> bdmurray: I agree, I not consider it SRU ready yet.  Was going to sort that out while the Jammy version was aging :)
[21:48] <dbungert> *I do not


[05:19] <didrocks> good morning
[07:20] <MacSlow> greetings folks
[08:37] <didrocks> Kaleo: hey!
[08:37] <didrocks> so
[08:37] <didrocks> qconf.cpp:#include <dconf-dbus-1.h>
[08:38] <didrocks> but indeed, it doesn't link again it
[08:38] <didrocks> weird that it doesn't segfault, isn't it?
[08:38] <Kaleo> didrocks: yeah
[08:39] <Kaleo> didrocks: it does with the qml example :/
[08:39] <didrocks> but I mean, everything should segfault?
[08:39]  * didrocks tries your example
[08:40] <Kaleo> didrocks: we must be linking ourselves
[08:40] <Kaleo> somehow
[08:40] <didrocks> hum, indeed…
[08:40] <didrocks> but, then, that doesn't explain why it doesn't refresh
[08:40] <didrocks> but let's try to fix that first
[08:41] <didrocks> so, pkg_check_modules(DCONF_DBUS REQUIRED dconf-dbus-1)
[08:41] <Kaleo> didrocks: separate issue :)
[08:42] <didrocks> it still shouldn't pass the link at build…
[08:42] <didrocks> it's not in target_link_libraries
[08:42] <didrocks> let me try adding it there
[08:42] <Kaleo> there is an error message when it should refresh and fails: "invalid type 0 not a basic type"
[08:43] <didrocks> ah, ok, let's check for link first :)
[08:44] <didrocks> dpkg-shlibdeps: avertissement: symbole g_queue_is_empty utilisé par debian/libdconf-qt0/usr/lib/libdconf-qt.so.0.0.0 non trouvé dans les bibliothèques.
[08:44] <didrocks> ohoh :)
[08:45] <Kaleo> ou ouh
[08:45] <Kaleo> didrocks: good catch
[08:46] <didrocks> I still don't know why the build doesn't fail, this is shlibs which is run from the packaging, but it should fail before for not finding the symbol…
[08:47] <didrocks> ok, less warning messaging including glib
[08:47] <didrocks> dconf_dbus_client_new is still one of them despite trying to include the lib
[08:47] <didrocks> checking
[08:58] <Kaleo> didrocks: my Oneiric just died
[08:58] <Kaleo> didrocks: at the _perfect_ moment..
[08:58] <didrocks> Kaleo: oh, how so?
[08:58] <Kaleo> didrocks: no empty space
[08:59] <didrocks> Kaleo: I fixed the dconf-qt linking issue btw, uploading a version and sending the patch to desrt
[09:01] <Kaleo> didrocks: nice!
[09:58] <didrocks> Kaleo: you can take latest dconf-qt if you want, but it's kind of workarounded by the unity-2d package linking against it IMHO
[10:06] <Kaleo> didrocks: yeah it's not a biggie
[11:21] <nerochiaro> Kaleo: are you alive ?
[11:35] <Kaleo> nerochiaro: yes :)
[11:35] <Kaleo> nerochiaro: I was out for lunch
[12:11] <nerochiaro> Kaleo: seen my question on IRC ?
[12:12] <nerochiaro> Kaleo: er, on jabber
[12:12] <Kaleo> nerochiaro: nope I have not
[16:55] <andyrock> hi all...
[16:56] <andyrock> someone could tell me which is the reason for that http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/07/oneirics-session-menu-win/?
[17:36] <Trevinho> andyrock: I guess that is not a bad idea, the problem is that the "power icon" is not suitable at all for a such thing
[17:36] <Trevinho> Maybe a "settings" icon could be better
[17:36] <Trevinho> but also the power one should b eshonw
[17:37] <andyrock> maybe JohnLea could give me/us more information
[17:38] <Trevinho> Yes, I guess...
[19:20] <Viper550> Hello
[21:25] <kim0> Hey folks, does anyone know what component/process is responsible for catching vol up/down keys and acting on them .. All such keyboard keys are not working for me
[22:43] <nic_k> does anything ever happen in these chat rooms.
[22:43] <nic_k> I see notices that you can come chat about things but nobody ever chats.
[22:56] <Viper550> nic_k, I notice that too sometimes.
[23:26] <Viper550> Amaranth, I noticed that as a consequence of the move to Gnome 3, we've lost customization controls
[23:26] <Amaranth> What?
[23:27] <Viper550> on Oneric, you can't change your theme (window border, or GTK) because Gnome 3 decided that changing themes was a thing of the past
[23:30] <Viper550> Aside from that, I'm liking the changes on Oneiric so far


[11:00] <locodir-user> hello
[11:03] <Mikey__> Hello
[11:03] <Mikey__> anyone got there ears on?
[11:05] <Megelli> Hello, any open ears ut there?
[11:05] <Megelli> out


[19:07] <cmaloney> Evening
[19:15] <greg-g> ahoy
[20:50] <jrwren_> webex teams
[20:50]  * jrwren_ ducks
[20:51] <jrwren_> before I joined webex an internal cisco team ran and used their own mattermost instance. It worked very well.
[20:51] <jrwren_> and wow... i'm so 4 days ago
[21:09] <cmaloney> Heh


[14:05] <rickspencer3> o/ all
[14:06] <rickspencer3> hey all, I was thinking about doing an app dev school around 14.04 release time:
[14:06] <rickspencer3> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoRunningAppDevSchool
[14:06] <rickspencer3> thoughts?
[14:13] <marcoceppi-mobil> I'm game and happy to help
[14:19] <rickspencer3> hey marcoceppi-mobil
[14:19] <marcoceppi-mobil> o/ rickspencer3
[14:20] <rickspencer3> marcoceppi-mobil, maybe we could do it the day after the release party or something?
[14:20] <rickspencer3> Friday  April 18th?
[14:20] <marcoceppi-mobil> seems like a good time
[14:21] <rickspencer3> or the evening before?
[14:21] <rickspencer3> Wed April 16th?
[14:25] <marcoceppi-mobil> maybe even a weekend?
[14:25] <rickspencer3> marcoceppi-mobil, hmmm, not a bad idea
[14:26] <AndChat271284>