[14:01] <smoser> hey all.
[14:01] <smoser> we're waiting on roaksoax to join fishbowl
[14:01] <smoser> then... should be starting very shortly.
[14:03] <med_> good morning
[14:04] <Daviey> hey
[14:05] <lynxman> med_: morning o/
[14:05] <chiluk_> will there be a first-boot concept?
[14:05] <med_> chiluk_, you should be skiing.
[14:05] <chiluk_> I should be.
[14:06] <med_> Lot's of TODOs in the BP still.
[14:06] <smoser> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CloudInit
[14:07] <smoser> there are lots of blueprint items, yes.
[14:07] <roadmr> question, I remember the server install images moved to using a squashfs rather than a pool of .deb packages, this sped them up considerably. So here we're looking at something even faster?
[14:07] <chiluk_> thanks for the wiki link smoser
[14:07] <med_> so thin install plus the cloud-init package to "customise" the thin install
[14:08] <Daviey> roadmr: yes, rather than using squasfs.. talking of re-using cloud images, so dd like experience
[14:08] <roadmr> I see, thanks
[14:09]  * med_ nods his head furiously and realizes he's off camera
[14:10] <jtaylor> are you using eatmydata to speed up dpkg?
[14:12] <shirgall> A reminder, if someone watches the session later they can't see the questions, so it may help to summarize the question concisely for the recording.
[14:12] <jtaylor> in my experience force-unsfae-io is not as good as eatmydata
[14:13] <smoser> shirgall, thanks.
[14:13] <Daviey> shirgall: i think we are trying to do that.. if we are not, please shout.
[14:13] <jtaylor> its been a while since i compared though
[14:14] <med_> Yes how do we test.
[14:14] <med_> ROAKSOAX
[14:14] <roaksoax> o/
[14:14] <Daviey> rock socks?
[14:14] <rbasak> smoser: you pronounced smoser wrong :-P
[14:14] <med_> is there any hardware limitations on target hosts?
[14:15] <med_> which maas do we need to use?
[14:15] <med_> did MAAS get SRUd into Precise?
[14:15] <Daviey> med_: do you want to join the inner circle?
[14:15] <Daviey> (or anyone else?)
[14:15] <roaksoax> med_: no.. waiting on an upstream bug fix before oing so
[14:16] <med_> ARM
[14:16] <med_> :)
[14:17] <med_> PPA works.
[14:17] <med_> :)
[14:17] <med_> How can we help?
[14:19] <med_> Daviey, Do you mean something like juju deploy ubuntu, destroy-service ubuntu; juju deploy something else
[14:20] <rbasak> sfdisk or gsfdisk input format?
[14:21] <Daviey> i've never used gsfdisk
[14:21] <Daviey> is it compatible ?
[14:21] <rbasak> No, it's different. gsfdisk for GPT
[14:21] <rbasak> fstab format for filesystems
[14:21] <rbasak> We have a standard way of referring to partitions on a disk :)
[14:22] <rbasak> I use sfdisk format a lot by hand
[14:22] <rbasak> But I may not be normal
[14:22] <rbasak> It's concise
[14:22] <smoser> echo "1,1" | sfidisk /dev/sda
[14:22] <med_> that formats the whole disk as 1 ptn?
[14:23]  * med_ will try that in a VM.
[14:23] <rbasak> Yes but you can miss most stuff out and it'll do a sensible default
[14:23] <rbasak> Eg. fill to avaiable space
[14:23] <med_> on /dev/scotsssda
[14:23] <Daviey> oh neat
[14:24] <rbasak> We will need to think a little bit about GPT
[14:24] <Daviey> rbasak: want to join the hangout?
[14:24] <rbasak> This is just an aside, right?
[14:25] <med_> Isn't GPT required for some archs.
[14:25] <med_> (IA64 used to require it as it was EFI based.)
[14:25] <med_> well, still does, but is kind of irrelevant.
[14:27] <med_> smoser, are you using ACTUAL hardware or VMs to devel/test?
[14:29] <med_> thanks.
[14:29] <med_> Daviey, can you elaborate?
[14:30] <med_> or smoser is
[14:31] <med_> we'll have more info next UDS on poking/playing?
[14:32] <roadmr> thanks!
[14:32] <shirgall> Thanks!
[14:46] <psusi> shoot, did I miss the meeting?
[14:47] <Daviey> psusi: sadly.
[14:48] <psusi> smoser: I wanted to pipe up on this to ask if anyone had considered rather than coming up with an alternate installer, workign to fix d-i so it isn't so slow?  I worked up some patches recently to make debootstrap much faster
[14:50] <smoser> psusi, oh? thats neat.
[14:51] <smoser> and clearly a more general solution.
[14:52] <smoser> i tink that having a filesystem ready and easily written to a filesystem though is still nice.  and just about guaranteed to be faster than dpkg.
[14:52] <psusi> ideally I'd like dpkg to be at least say, 80% as fast as that, preferably 90%+
[14:53] <psusi> it seems to me that it is slowness is due to a lot of fsyncs that aren't needed especially on first install, so I patched debootstrap to pull in and activate libeatmydata to defeat that junk and it made it MUCH faster
[14:54] <psusi> like 5x faster or something iirc
[14:55] <smoser> psusi, that is very interesting.  i konw that the installer uses unsafe-io
[14:55] <smoser> but didn't realize that eatmydata was *that* much faster.
[14:55] <psusi> yea, that does very little
[14:56] <psusi> it only gets rid of something like 10% of the syncs
[14:56] <smoser> any way you look at it, installation of packages and execution of pre/post installs cripts is going to be slower though.
[14:56] <smoser> than tar, which is just writing to disk.
[14:57] <smoser> but that is solved/addressed by the squashfs images to some extent.
[14:57] <smoser> tanks psusi we should move out of this channel though.
[14:57] <smoser> :)
[14:57] <psusi> aye ;)
[14:59] <Daviey> jamespage: are you joining us?
[14:59] <Daviey> anyone else want to be in the inner circle?
[15:01] <med_> Grrrrr
[15:01] <Daviey> Starting shortly.
[15:02] <smoser> HIT RELOAD NOW!
[15:02] <nordm> Is the stream up n running?
[15:03] <med_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqV6PW4e_90&feature=player_embedded
[15:03] <med_> live
[15:03] <med_> nice housefull
[15:03] <med_> zul?
[15:06] <med_> no longer
[15:06] <med_> only cinder
[15:08] <ivoks> i guess we could test that
[15:08] <ivoks> updates
[15:10] <med_> Any other new packages/services? OSLO? Ceilometer? etc
[15:10] <med_> Heat?
[15:14] <hlh> OATs?
[15:14] <med_> How do rolling releases impact OpenStack?
[15:15] <Daviey> med_: for cloud archive, they don't :)
[15:16] <nordm> MIR?
[15:16] <jamespage> Main Include Request
[15:16] <jamespage> Inclusion rather
[15:16] <nordm> thx
[15:17] <med_> RCs make sense.
[15:20] <med_> I guess "rolling releases" was really a question for the OpenStack Havana session we haven't yet scheduled in this UDS.
[15:22] <med_> so no testing, no recommendation... etc.
[15:22] <med_> so unknown but possible>?
[15:22] <med_> ^ w/r/t ZeroMQ
[15:23] <Daviey> yes
[15:24] <med_> Haven't looked
[15:24] <med_> has webops looked?
[15:24] <med_> wedgwood, ^
[15:24] <med_> at NRPE plugin
[15:24] <med_> (for Grizzly)
[15:24] <dweaver> Landscape API integrates with Nagios
[15:26] <dweaver> http://blog.landscape.canonical.com/2012/09/13/landscape-with-nagios/
[15:27] <Daviey> dweaver: thanks, looks useful
[15:28] <Daviey> dweaver: we should talk to landscape about this
[15:29] <hlh> is OATs a candidate for MIR?
[15:30] <dweaver> Daviey, We use it in our demo lab to demonstrate to customers management of an openstack deployment, works pretty well.  Federico would be the one to talk to.
[15:30] <yolanda_> hi, i don't have any sound or mike sorry
[15:31] <Daviey> hlh: not sure how much value MIR adds to it?
[15:32] <roaksoax>  /win 13
[15:32] <jamespage> hlh: OAT  open attestation?
[15:32] <hlh> Open Attestation
[15:32] <zul> oats?
[15:35] <med_> hlh is US.
[15:35] <med_> erm, Canonical.
[15:35] <jamespage> med_, so I understand
[15:35] <hlh> sure, for now :)
[15:35] <jamespage> sorry hlh :-)
[15:35] <hlh> I'm good for now
[15:37] <hlh> thank you
[16:00] <Daviey> starting shortly
[16:01] <Daviey> rbasak: are you joining this?
[16:01] <rbasak> Sure
[16:01] <Daviey> Machine readable cloud image data
[16:02] <med_> not live yet
[16:03] <smoser> HIT RELOAD NOW
[16:03] <med_> not live yet
[16:03] <smoser> well, NOW
[16:03] <med_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1rsjo2WmyM&feature=player_embedded
[16:03] <med_> live
[16:05] <smoser> collection format:  http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/eightprotons/
[16:05] <Daviey> Who do we have in the audience ?
[16:06] <med_> \o/
[16:06] <med_> easy
[16:06] <med_> easy to share
[16:06] <med_> daviey set focus on his screen so focus doesn't follow voice
[16:06] <med_> it keeps jumping to others
[16:07] <Daviey> is that ok?
[16:07] <med_> yeppers
[16:07] <med_> and very readable.
[16:08] <med_> can someone dump that URL in here?
[16:09] <med_> if it is publicly reachable
[16:10] <smoser> http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/eightprotons/images/streams/v1/
[16:10] <med_> thanks
[16:11] <niemeyer> +1 for json
[16:12] <niemeyer> yaml is interesting when human readability is key
[16:12] <niemeyer> For a case like this, data availability sounds like the key.. the simplicity of json wins
[16:12] <niemeyer> (and ubiquity)
[16:12] <smoser> http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/eightprotons/cloud/
[16:15] <med_> Will this be provided for all public clouds? Does this work (this generalization) for other public clouds?
[16:16] <med_> so Juju providers will embed this knowledge?
[16:16] <med_> or something in the juju ecosystem will?
[16:19] <med_> yep, image_id/something else
[16:21] <med_> (didn't mean to derail meeting)
[16:22] <niemeyer> I have step out, but I will watch the whole video later
[16:22] <niemeyer> smoser: One last point.. it doesn't feel like splitting up per arch is necessary
[16:23] <niemeyer> smoser: I'd take one depth level out of that directory structure, and merge amd64 and i386.js into a single file
[16:23] <rbasak> niemeyer: not sure I follow?
[16:23] <med_> me either. How can you drop an arch?
[16:23] <rbasak> niemeyer: ok, so a data format thing, rather than the information presented?
[16:23] <niemeyer> smoser: and have lucid.js instead
[16:23] <niemeyer> rbasak: Right
[16:24] <niemeyer> That cuts the round trips by half, and simplifies slightly the model, without any major impact I believe
[16:25] <rbasak> Yes - after all instance store and ebs are separate too.
[16:25] <rbasak> But we're tying them together
[16:25] <niemeyer> There are several axis,as rbasak points out
[16:25] <rbasak> I think the core data format allows flexibility here, right?
[16:25] <Daviey> Considering code names were technically only supposed to be used during development, it should probbaly be 10.04.js
[16:26] <rbasak> Daviey: so what about raring?
[16:26] <med_> arm64 arch
[16:26] <rbasak> It would need to change on release
[16:26] <Daviey> rbasak: Good question !
[16:26] <niemeyer> smoser: I don't think I get it.. there are several axis there
[16:26] <niemeyer> smoser: i386/amd64.. ebs/instance..
[16:28] <niemeyer> Sure, but that doesn't justify the fact they can't be together.. people have to cherry-pick the right item inside that file anyway
[16:29] <med_> I thought the idea was that you'd get the latest/freshest/right item by default....
[16:31] <niemeyer> It's kind of the opposite of what would be an issue.. the *common* axis are out of the data format.. these are the axis that *can* be in the format because they are standardized across providers.
[16:31] <Daviey> med_ / niemeyer: Wnat to join the fishbowl?
[16:31] <niemeyer> Daviey: I can't, I really have to step out.. :(
[16:31] <Daviey> :(
[16:31] <niemeyer> But I'll watch out the full video
[16:31] <niemeyer> s/out//
[16:31] <Daviey> niemeyer: Shame, sounds like you have some good points.
[16:31] <niemeyer> and provide feedback
[16:32] <niemeyer> Ultimately, each provider could be an independent file..
[16:32] <niemeyer> aws.js
[16:32] <niemeyer> etc
[16:33] <rbasak> niemeyer: yes - and the format allows us to break it down by provider, AIUI
[16:33] <niemeyer> With less field duplication inside the format itself
[16:33] <niemeyer> This reduces the burden when using that data
[16:33] <niemeyer> (for an app developer)
[16:33] <niemeyer> I'll organize those thoughts and provide a suggestion
[16:34] <rbasak> niemeyer: thanks! Appreciate your input.
[16:34]  * niemeyer steps aside
[16:35] <rbasak> smoser: also MAAS for ephemeral images?
[16:35] <rbasak> And d-i netinst images perhaps?
[16:35] <rbasak> Or is that out of scope?
[16:41] <rbasak> Didn't want to interrupt :)
[16:41] <med_> too polite...
[16:41]  * med_ lost his entire train of thought while joining.
[16:42] <med_> short train though, one car.
[16:42] <Daviey> rbasak: sorry. :)
[16:48] <med_> Jump in if you have questions--we'll proxy them...
[16:53] <med_> lightning talks are next so probably no reason to curtail discussion here unless folks are presenting there
[16:53] <med_> some of us have other conflicts though
[16:54] <med_> utlemming, patches are welcome.... :^)
[16:57] <med_> so is IQN akin to a UUID?
[16:57] <med_> GUID?
[16:57] <med_> smoser, ^
[16:57] <med_> okay
[16:57] <utlemming> I have to run to the next meeting
[16:57] <med_> ditto.
[17:03] <Daviey> med_: erm, sort of
[17:03] <med_> nod. he said "stream" just as I typed that in real time.
[18:17] <smoser> 10..9..8...
[18:17] <smoser> starting in
[18:17] <smoser> 3.
[18:17] <smoser> 2.
[18:17] <smoser> 1
[18:17] <smoser> RELOAD NOW!
[18:18] <jamespage> o/
[18:18] <smoser> technical difficulties
[18:18] <jcastro> \o
[18:18] <smoser> please stand by
[18:18] <jamespage> smooootthhh!
[18:18]  * jcastro slow claps
[18:18] <roaksoax> argh sorry my computer with video crashed
[18:18] <smoser> this is a test of your emergency broadcasting system.
[18:19] <dweaver> Meanwhile here's some music.......
[18:19] <smoser> <jeopardy themesong plays>
[18:25] <Daviey> anyone else want to join the inner circle?
[18:25] <jamespage> Daviey, not for this one ta
[18:31] <marrusl-uds> When do we think the SRU will go through?
[18:33] <dweaver> +1 on timescales for the SRU? ^^^
[18:35] <marrusl-uds> \o/
[18:36] <dweaver> Of course!
[18:36] <dweaver> I'll be deploying it to the SE Demo Lab.
[18:36] <marrusl-uds> would love to!
[18:40] <smoser> https://code.launchpad.net/~virtual-maasers/charms/precise/virtual-maas/trunk
[18:40] <jcastro> Daviey: yeah I would like to get clarification on exactly how many machines it needs
[18:40] <jamespage> hey smoser!
[18:41] <jamespage> want me to join now?
[18:41] <Daviey> jamespage: sure
[18:41] <Daviey> and anyone else?
[18:41] <Daviey> jcastro: ?
[18:41] <jcastro> Daviey: nm, he's answering my question
[18:41] <nuclearbob> awesome, I'd use that
[18:41] <jcastro> with virtual maas I don't really care anymore, heh
[18:42] <jcastro> smoser: when would you guys consider the virtual maas charms to be ready to use by people like me?
[18:42] <nxvl> forget about "trying it" that's great for "development" environment where i want to test that before i decided to deploy
[18:42] <nxvl> or to play with some configurations
[18:42] <Daviey> jcastro: "like you" .. much longer than everyone else. :)
[18:42] <jcastro> well played sir
[18:43] <Daviey> >:)
[18:43] <dweaver> Agreeed. Standalone makes a lot more sense than a charm.
[18:43] <nxvl> How many TL does the server team has?
[18:43] <Daviey> 18
[18:44] <nxvl> awesome!
[18:44] <roaksoax> smoser: you are the hot standby?
[18:44] <rbasak> HA tech leads!
[18:44] <nxvl> smoser: sure, you are stealing the credits!
[18:44] <zul> everyone is tl in their own special way
[18:44] <jcastro> nxvl: one more and they can RAID5
[18:45] <nxvl> zul: ok, i won't even comment on that one...
[18:45] <Daviey> nxvl: The server team used to have one tech lead, but when he moved.. he had to be replaced by two people.. as the original one was of that calibre
[18:45] <nxvl> Daviey: who was he?
[18:46] <rbasak> "Ubuntu Server Technical Lead" or "Technical Lead, Ubuntu Server Team"? "People's Front of Judea" or the "Judean People's Front"?
[18:46] <jcastro> Daviey: I don't suppose you know the status of the maas provider for juju offhand?
[18:46] <smoser> :)
[18:48] <jcastro> roaksoax: that answers my question, thanks.
[18:49] <jcastro> \o/
[18:49] <marrusl-uds> thanks!
[19:01] <Daviey> Anyone else want to be in the inner circle?
[19:05] <jamespage> refresh in 10
[19:05] <jamespage> 9
[19:05] <jamespage> 8
[19:05] <jamespage> 7
[19:05] <jamespage> 6
[19:05] <jamespage> 5
[19:05] <jamespage> 4
[19:05] <jamespage> 3
[19:05] <jamespage> 2
[19:05] <jamespage> 1
[19:05] <jamespage> ....
[19:05] <jamespage> refresh!
[19:06] <arosales> up and working
[19:06] <jamespage> ping me if you want attention in the inner circle
[19:14] <arosales> adam_g: along the lines of Go Juju can you update on your plans for testing there?
[19:14] <jamespage> arosales, nothing until maas provider exists?
[19:15] <arosales> jamespage: ah, that makes perfect sense
[19:15] <dweaver> Are there any plans to add VNC support for connecting to instances from horizon to the openstack deployment charms?
[19:15] <Daviey> dweaver: isn't that working now?
[19:16] <melmoth> works
[19:16] <melmoth> (foslom and essex)
[19:16] <Daviey> (if it's not, it's a bug.. not lacking support)
[19:16] <adam_g> arosales, i did a quick test of keystone, mysql + a few core services on EC2 using go juju, seemed to work fine
[19:17] <melmoth> i meant, it s working, but there s no charm for it.
[19:17] <Daviey> melmoth / dweaver: wanna join the inner circle, to explain?
[19:18] <melmoth> url ?
[19:18] <dweaver> Daviey, not on my deployments on essex, but I have yet to try Folsom yet.
[19:19] <arosales> adam_g: good to hear
[19:20] <arosales> re go-juju testing on ec2
[19:20] <Daviey> zul: come baaaaaaack
[19:20] <Daviey> arosales: wanna join?
[19:20] <arosales> Daviey: nah. Just had that quick go-juju question.
[19:21] <zul> sorry press the wrong button
[19:21] <dweaver> Daviey, url?
[19:21] <arosales> jamespage: is it a party since it s the last session?
[19:21] <Daviey> dweaver: pm
[19:27] <smoser> if performance of shell is an issue, should you just skip python and write charms in go?
[19:35] <adam_g> melmoth, lp:juju-deployer
[19:43] <melmoth> ok
[19:53] <arosales> thanks!
[20:17] <danwest> when is the requirement for a dedicated juju node for the juju maas provider going away?
[20:19] <danwest> yup, running/installing it outside the charm


 Excuse me when porting ubuntu touch. Can't shut down/restart properly. Where should this change be concerned?
 Excuse me, when porting ubuntu touch. Can't shutdown/restart properly. Where should this change be concerned?
 please help me
 What should I do?
[03:00] <ubptgbot> vairam_vs was added by: vairam_vs
[03:18] <ubptgbot> Peter Conrad was added by: Peter Conrad
 https://github.com/kuailexs/porting-log
 i do not know which is related to shutdown
 Still no port for op3T?
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtYoRBdjQY0&feature=youtu.be&t=10
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/cKy6U0bh.webp
[04:15] <ubptgbot> Daniel Bradford was added by: Daniel Bradford
[04:15] <ubptgbot> <Daniel Bradford> Hey! I was wondering if you guys had considered porting Ubuntu Touch to Project Treble? In theory it would enable a much wider range of devices with minimal effort
 @popescu_sorin, that's progress. :)
 @mariogrip Excuse me, when porting ubuntu touch. Can't shutdown/restart properly. Which aspect should be concerned?
 @kuailexs, We also dont know it. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. You have to hack a lot into your device files to make this work properly.
 Project Treble only changes effort level on Android
 for now at least
 if Halium guys focus treble, we'll get it in effect, but now there's no Oreo support to begin with, IIRC that was introduced in Oreo
 Are AppArmor patches documented in porting guide?
 Is it right to assume that basic functions are working in N5 in 16.04? i.e. Can I phone, SMS, and use the official browser? Does Telegram work? Actually, what would be really useful would be a list of apps that work, and those which don't.
 Yeah, there are only flags to be enabled, checked by a script, what if I don't have AppArmor in my kernel? Did anyone have to backport that?
 @kuailexs, This group is not the best place to ask. Are you still building Halium for the device or have you completed that stage?
 @Mark, Not sure. Telegram does not work though
 @K31j0, Not to a fully extent. The AA porting is so complex its not easy to describe. If you are lucky you can use an existing kernel port
 @Stereofont, Thanks for that.
 @Stereofont, base on ubp-5.1
 @Stereofont, It can  be used normally. But it cannot shutdown/retart properly.Must be forced to shut down
 @kuailexs, This is because the shutdown is device-specific and no 2 devices are shutting down in the samye way. The vendor makes this possible, and it needs to be done like in Android, otherwise it wont work. Also that there is "charge mode" where Android is started even when the phone is off if you connect a cable. Sometimes
[10:55] <ubptgbot> Ubuntu Touch just starts, as it does not understand it should be i ncharge mode only.
 Is this device interesting for Ubuntu touch too? … https://www.xda-developers.com/planet-computer-gemini-pda-lineageos-14-1/
 in regards to devices that aren't officially supported, the OS will still work right? but just with glitches possibly
 No, it will not work at all
 @unknown, it says on the page that radio doesn't work (yet). even if porting succeeds, the lack of radio will persist in UT likewise i think
 @YougoChats, But it also says that you can boot GNU/Linux
 Pretty sure someone is working on the Gemini...
 there are several ways of doing that. probably none of those are how Ubuntu Touch works
 ah okie
 but the integrated physical keyboard is very interesting indeed
 @UniversalSuperBox, Yes, @NotKit has it sort of working
 But it's Mediatek, so he's submitting lots of patches
 I'm not basing on Lineage, but on AOSP BSP actually.
 I read that sailfish os is supported
 What Linux distribution will Gemini run? … We are currently talking to a few companies representing different Linux flavours and we are considering a number of options but the decision has not been taken yet. We are also taking into accounts comments from the backers into consideration, including Sailfish & Ubuntu OS, which have bee
[13:38] <ubptgbot> n suggested several times. … https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gemini-pda-android-linux-keyboard-mobile-device--2#/
 Ubuntu OS = UT or desktop?
 no idea what they mean there
 what was demostrated is desktop with GNOME Shell
 Probably Ubuntu proper
 GPD Pocket is a similar device that's x86 and can run any Linux
 because it's x86 :)
 yes
[13:45] <ubptgbot> Lexi was added by: Lexi
 Guys, if I use Libertian - is it possible to run official telegram app?
 No, it's not built for ARM
 you can probably run it inside libertine if you compile it for ARM
 Okay, thanks!
 you could probably package it as a click and run it without libertine too, since it's qt
 might not scale nicely or be usable, but should at least be able to forgo the need for X11, and get a little better system integration with keyboard and such
 @NotKit, We never forget Harmattan
 @dohbee, Its qt? Sure?
 @Flohack, the telegram desktop app? pretty sure, yes
 I think there's some components from Electron, too. Not sure how they fit together though
 No, telegram-desktop is completely Qt. It also runs on Plasma Mobile
 https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop
 it's a bit of a pain to build
 Debian has some patches to build it against the system libraries.
 I guess building the debian package for Xenial and repacking it into a click is the easiest way.
 yay night mode
 does camera app work for anyone on 16.04 builds?
 @dohbee, Both photo and video camera work in my E4.5
 @dohbee, Camera works but not video I think, at least in N5
 hmm. i am trying to figure out why Camera component is not working on 18.04 for me
 but i guess it's not strictly "qt 5.9 broke something" :-/
[17:59] <ubptgbot> Jean-Pierre MAILLARD was added by: Jean-Pierre MAILLARD
[18:02] <ubptgbot> <Jean-Pierre MAILLARD> Hello Everyone, … I'm trying to install UBports on my new BQ M10 FHD (Android version) but after a few seconds, I get a message about format of the systme and recovery partitions: … "FAILED (remote: format for partition 'system' is not allowed)" … Is there a way to have the partition enable for a new system? … Thank you
[18:02] <ubptgbot> !
 You need to install Ubuntu on your device from a factory image before you are able to use the installer
 https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/install.html#install-on-legacy-android-devices
 Is WINE hq available in UBports?
 You can probably install it in libertine, but you'd need Windows apps compiled for ARM
 Read: none of them
 wine isn't available for ARM in ubuntu repos
 so firstly you'd need to get wine compiled for ARM, and then you'd need Win RT apps
 Wine on ARM is a hell to get working
 just use qemu-user
 @dohbee, 18.04 builds are already available?
[18:13] <ubptgbot> ignorare was added by: ignorare
 No, he's hacking around on 18.04
 i'm porting an app to qqc2 on x86
 It's been a long while since I've went around Ubuntu Touch
 Hi guys! Did anybody of you successfully install UBports on a Nexus 5 with 32 GB? Or does UBports only work on the 16 GB-version?
 Works fine on the 32GB version
 @ignorare, Should work on any Hammerhead
 I want to try to go around full time with Ubports again
 Great! Thanks a lot! 👍
 @dohbee, does 16.04 have qqc2 support yet
 it works fine if one successfully replaced the flash with 64GB chip too
 @dohbee, Oh, wow! 😉
 Is that a big work?
 Very
 you'll need a reballing station
 Haha, okay. I am out... 😄
 @samzn, i'm talking about stock ubuntu, not ubuntu on phones
 Thank you very much guys! 👍👍😉
 @dohbee, ah
 but ubports 16.04 devel is using qt 5.9 as well (which is what is in 18.04 stock), so i was wondering if the same issues might be showing up there
 How would you launch a Libertine program from the UT Terminal app?
 with ubuntu-app-launch
 `ubuntu-app-launch container_firefox_0.0` for example
 `ubuntu-app-launch-appids | grep container` to see what apps are available in `container`
 (Photo, 960x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/EqyfgBrn.png
 Welcome back old friend
 Meh, apparently devel Xenial still can't open programs by that method.
 It should but what actually happens
 ubuntu-app-launch uses the same stuff as Unity8 does to launch apps... so if it was completely broken, no apps would launch
 probably same issue that n5 had?
 I see the splash screen of the program, but then nothing and a revert back to teh terminal.
 sounds like same issue as on n5
 check the log for the app in `~/.cache/upstart/` to see what went wrong
 Or more accurately just the program's icon rather than a startup splash screen.
 yes, the u8 splash screen you get for all starting apps
 "proot info: pid 10749: terminated with signal 11"
 oh that's no fun
 And ditto with pid 11107
 yeah that means it crashed
 What does it mean?
 so not the same as on n5
 so something segfaulted
 is there something in `/var/crash/` that looks relevant?
 everything segfaults
 No just stuff regarding system settings there AFAICS.
 What are you trying to run?
 Whatever really, started with Firefox and Libre Office Writer.
 does anbox work on 16.04?
 on devices where it is currently enabled, yes
 https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html
 so not on nexus 5
 The Pro 5 and M10's
 @dohbee, that's really great to hear
 @samzn, Some news available about Anbox at all? 👍😉
 @ignorare, https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html
[19:05] <ubptgbot> <Jean-Pierre MAILLARD> @UniversalSuperBox, Thank you very much Dalton Durst for this information! (It still does not work yet but I will have another try tomorrow. Will keep you posted.)
 @Jean-Pierre MAILLARD, If you make a username in Telegram you can be pinged and be invited to groups, such as the install group…
[19:44] <ubptgbot> <Jean-Pierre MAILLARD> @Stereofont, Thank you for the tip Lionelb!
 @Jean-Pierre MAILLARD, You can go into Settings to do that
 Is Ubuntu Touch available for Samsung s6?
 @Stereofont, Done! Thanks again Lionelb!
 @Zack, Nope. See http://ubuntu-touch.io/devices
 Thank you!
 👍
 @advocatux, There was a video recently of ubuntu touch on the Samsung s something or other
 7
 @PhoenixLandPirate, S7
 Okay
 I saw the video, really exciting updates
 ZeroPointEnergy went from beginner in November https://forums.ubports.com/topic/755/android-mobile-device-hell-porting-halium-to-galaxy-s7 to video star in February 👍
[20:25] <ubptgbot> Jishnurajm was added by: Jishnurajm
 Hello Jishnu. If you would like to read more about UBports, check the link … https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 Also … https://t.me/UBports_India
 @cls006, consider anbox to the 'the wine of ubuntu touch' ;)
 anbox isn't a reimplementation of android though
 i am so out to lunch on this cloud that i don't even have anything further to say which is... out of my character! good day for anyone who wants to take shots at me though! ;)
 @cls006, UBports Port existed for a very short time on Sunday.
[21:24] <ubptgbot> Vasilis Ziogou was added by: Vasilis Ziogou
[21:24] <ubptgbot> <Vasilis Ziogou> hi
[21:25] <ubptgbot> <Vasilis Ziogou> i want to install ubuntu touch in turbo-x Hive 3g (Greek model). it runs android 4.4.2 but i cant get into bootloader
[21:25] <ubptgbot> <Vasilis Ziogou> can you help me?
 it is not a supported device
 @Vasilis Ziogou, The bootloader is the smallest of the problems
 @Vasilis Ziogou, To learn about UBports, check this … https://ubports.com/page/telegram-welcome
 http://ubuntu-touch.io/devices#/
 That is the list of supported devices. More are on the way but sadly not yours
[21:31] <ubptgbot> <Vasilis Ziogou> so there is no other way that it can work on my device?
 It is a Mali processor. I don't think anyone has ported a Mali device. BQ M10 us the only properly supported tablet, although you can do something with a 2013 Nexus 7
[21:33] <ubptgbot> <Vasilis Ziogou> 👍
[21:33] <ubptgbot> <Vasilis Ziogou> thnx
 @Vasilis Ziogou, First, it would need a Halium port. A difficult and frustrating process. Usually Qualcomm processors ate preferred because they are not so closed
 At the moment we don't have a Greek language group but we would like to
 @Stereofont, which SoC exactly?
 Mali-450 MP; ARM; OpenGL ES-CM 1.1; OpenGL ES 2.0
 MediaTek MT8392, ok
 thankfully some Greek letters look similar to cyrillics
 @NotKit, Maybe because Cyrrilos was greek
 @NotKit, [Edit] Maybe because Cyrrilos was Greek
 😹😹
 @NikosChat, yeah
 @Vasilis Ziogou, I checked a bit, it doesn't have kernel source code provided by manufacturer. Unfortunately, you're generally out of luck with lesser known "regional" devices.
 more like some cyrillic letters look similar to Greek ;)
 @Vasilis Ziogou, Incidentally, if you make a username in Telegram, it assists  because you can be pinged and it is possible to add you to groups
 https://www.plaisio.gr/tablet/tablets/tablets-all/Turbo-X-Hive-V-Octacore-9-7-3G-Milamu-DI-9733.htm - it's just for example, "ΤΕΧΝΙΚΑ ΧΑΡΑΚΤΗΡΙΣΤΙΚΑ" reads almost fine for Russian speaker ("ТЕХНИКА ХАРАКТЕРИСТИКА", not correct in Russian, but understandable)
 Technical characteristic
 Panynmaiu
 Russian or English is obviously based on Greek words
 probably even more Greek words borrowed than in English
 @NikosChat, If a Greek group is desired, a conversation could start in the Lab
 @Vasilis Ziogou, [Edit] First, it would need a Halium port. A difficult and frustrating process. Usually Qualcomm processors are preferred because they are not so closed
 I am Greek but I don't know if there are other Greeks that are interested in a Greek language group
 @Stereofont, Which Lab?
 @NikosChat, Generally, when a group is started, others appear
 @Stereofont, OK let's create it then
 @NikosChat, I tried to add you but your privacy settings do not allow
 @Stereofont, Can you try again
 @Stereofont, [Edit] Can you try again?
 @NikosChat, 😃
 Which kernel version is in UT 16.04?
[22:27] <ubptgbot> <Mark Mullins> what browser does ut use
 @Donieck, Whichever you bese on
 depends on the device
 ranging from 3.4 to 4.4
 no rule
 @K31j0, Is have UT 16.04? Can you write uname -r in terminal and hand this up to me?
 What device do you have?
 nexus 5 with UT 15.04
 That'll have the same kernel
 hence you can't upgrade kernels on android devices
 If you bump up the release to the extent it changes API/ABI, device becomes unbootable
 and you can't do anything about this
 because we need blobs man
 else nothing works
 Iiiif you want to reverse engineer everything and write FOSS drivers for that that'd go into mainline, I got no problem with that
 but ain't nobody got time for that
 @Mark Mullins, Native is webbrowser-app which is based on chromium content api