[00:00] <ScottK> It's not really a partisan issue.
[00:01] <mamarley> Yeah, probably not.  It is just embarrassing that the senator from my state was instrumental in its creation.  We already have a reputation of being backwards enough as it is, and now with the encryption bill and HB-2…
[00:01] <mamarley> Luckily, most big tech companies are opposed to both of those things.
[04:35] <snele> yofel: sgclark: clivejo: guys update manager systray icon is broken again after newest update
[04:36] <snele> it was fixed by yofel in staging
[04:36] <snele> but after installing newest updates systray icon is broken again (doesn't refresh/shows updates when there is none)
[04:37] <snele> yofel did backport commit from this bug report which fixed the bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347602
[04:38] <snele> please backport the fix (again)
 I am going to bed... if he did not commit the fix... I will have to look tomorrow.
 Or is that muon?
 Regardless sleeping.
[04:39] <snele> sgclark: this is the commit https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=discover.git&a=commit&h=749f5be5ebc7b56143e9952d085f396f3bd65905
[04:39] <snele> sgclark: good night sweat dreams
 I am on my phone...
 Thanks. Will look into this tomorrow
[08:20] <soee> :< http://news.softpedia.com/news/opensuse-tumbleweed-users-get-kde-plasma-5-6-2-linux-kernel-4-5-1-mesa-11-2-0-503056.shtml
[08:23] <valorie> well, we just gotta get it all packaged up and ready to backport asap
[08:23] <valorie> once our release is shipshape
[08:43]  * valorie just build base pbuilder
[08:53] <valorie> and now I can't seem to remember the passphrase for key '/home/valorie/.ssh/id_rsa'
[08:53] <valorie> bleah
[08:55] <valorie> going to bed
[09:06] <sick_rimmit> Good Morning
[09:06] <sick_rimmit> Just finished a write up on Kubuntu Party
[09:06] <vip> hi
[09:06] <sick_rimmit> http://kubuntu.org/news/party-2-in-review/
 hiho
[11:02] <doko> sgclark, clivejo, whover: kcachegrind-converters/amd64 unsatisfiable Depends: php5-cli
[11:03] <clivejo> I noticed someone going around changing those too
[11:05] <clivejo> trying to move to PHP7
[11:06] <clivejo> doko: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/k/kcachegrind/kcachegrind_15.12.1-0ubuntu2/changelog
[11:06] <clivejo> Update to PHP7.0 dependencies (LP: #1544352).
[11:07] <doko> clivejo, looks like you guys overwrite other archive changes ... 4:15.12.3-0ubuntu1  wouldn't be the first time
 Lol. We are in debian git. If we are not given the changes, then guess what?
[11:12] <clivejo> The control file clear says our VCS
 Yup.
 We are not the ones to blame here.
[11:13] <clivejo> @sgclark2 after all the updates, kontact is broken for me this morning :(
[11:14] <clivejo> on the plus side, amarok seems to be working
 It is 4am. Not ready to work yet
[11:14] <clivejo> I know, just a heads up
[11:15] <clivejo> why you up at 4am?
 Evidently laptop isn't either. Taking forever to boot
 Couldn't sleep. Too stressed out
[11:15] <clivejo> mysql 5.7 nightmares?
 Seriously considering this to be my last release.
 Haha. Among everything else.
[11:17] <clivejo> I had a similar nightmare
 Like package updates in apparently random repos
[11:17] <clivejo> you and phil resigned :(
 Philip resigned?
[11:17] <clivejo> in my nightmare
 Oh!
[11:18] <clivejo> noooo not for real
 Well I would not vanish. I will fully support my releases
 Just weighing my options. Need to sort out my career.
 Or lack thereof
[11:20] <Mamarok> ScottK: oh, cool, I wasn't aware of that, let me see if that patch went to reviewboard ...
[11:20] <clivejo> yeah, packaging dont put food on the table and pay bills
[11:20] <soee> +1 do what makes you happy and brings some profit :)
[11:20] <clivejo> plus the ay things are right now its stressful!
[11:21] <clivejo> way
[11:21] <clivejo> can afect health as well :/
 Yup
[11:26] <clivejo> anyway, must go make dinner, its family day !
[11:38] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
 Hi bluekaj
[11:41] <BluesKaj> Hi Clifford
[12:02] <sgclark> clivejo: soooo do you think akonadi needed more than just the mysql bump then? you told me to ignore that other stuff : /
[12:28] <sgclark> hmm other stuff was source. so nothing to change there. I have no idea why akonadi would be broken...
[12:31] <sgclark> and it works for me
[12:53] <libi> Hello everyone here!!1
[12:55] <soee> hiho libi
[12:56] <libi> A respectful welcome to everyone here
[12:57] <sgclark> hiyas
[12:57] <libi> Sir,I am new to contribution CAn Anyone here please guide me in starting contribution .I temperarily know only basic c,c++,html,css,javascript
[12:58] <libi> I learnt it from college
[12:58] <libi> Can anyone here please guide me.
[12:59] <sgclark> if your looking to program you probably want to be in #kde-devel asking that.
[13:02] <libi> parden me sir,i couldnt understand what you meant,could you please repeat and explain
[13:04] <libi> i am actually not perfect in english thats y,so i request to forgive me if i have grammar mistake
[13:05] <sgclark> I would consider myself more of a ma'am. What I am trying to say is we do not develop c,c++ etc here specifically. We package up programs to ships as a whole of Kubuntu.
[13:06] <sgclark> If you want to learn program developement you probably want to be in #kde-devel and ask questions there. Most of us are not necessarily programmers and will not be much help.
[13:06] <sgclark> if you want to learn packaging, well hang out in here. Right now is not a good time as we are on the cusp of a release.
[13:08] <mparillo> !testers: I burned today's daily iso, and it did not start plasma, but dropped me into a login prompt. The Beta2 ISO did start a live Plasma session. Can any testers duplicat it?
[13:08] <mparillo> !testers
[13:08] <mparillo> ^^^
[13:09] <BluesKaj> hey mparillo, what's up?
[13:09] <libi> ok thanks sir i understand thanks a lot sir,sgclark
[13:09] <mparillo> BluesKaj: Good morning. I burned today's daily iso, and it did not start plasma, but dropped me into a login prompt. The Beta2 ISO did start a live Plasma session.
[13:11] <sgclark> libi: just an FYI sir implies male gender. Not all of us are male, in fact I am not. So perhaps don't use that. Cheers
[13:11] <soee> i think someone reported it on #kubuntu or some social channel also
[13:12] <BluesKaj> mparillo, I've had the login issue for about 4 days now, and I have the staging-plasma and landing ppas in my sources.list
[13:12] <libi> ok sorry ,i wont use it here after
[13:12] <sgclark> its ok, just information :)
[13:13] <libi> hmmm,I understand respect it that you told it
[13:13] <libi> :)
[13:13] <BluesKaj> I really don't feel like reinstalling again, mparillo
[13:15] <mparillo> thanks soee and BluesKaj, but this was on the ISO, not on an install. So, I basically have been running zsync, and today I ran dd for the first time since Beta2, and found it would not start Plasma for me.
[13:15] <soee> mparillo: some VM or booting from USB/CD ?
[13:18] <mparillo> Booting from a USB
[13:18] <mparillo> I plan to test from a VM tomorrow morning.
[13:19] <sgclark> making usb
[13:19] <sgclark> rebooting to test brb
[13:21] <soee> mparillo: from my experiane booting any USB failed for me almost every time
[13:21] <soee> and i'm not talkign about sddm but booting system :)
[13:22] <mparillo> soee: I used to like the safety of unetbootin, but for about a year now, it did not boot at all, so I went to dd. However, this ISO did boot. I can get a login prompt and type kubuntu <enter> <enter> and sudo poweroff just fine. It is just that plasma did not load.
[13:23] <soee> yeah it is sad that system cant be simply booted from SUB even if the usb is done through Startaup Disc creator
 I did not get option for live desktop. Went straight to installer. Abort!
 Laptops evidently don't come with dvd anymore...
[13:29] <soee> they don't ? :D
[13:29] <soee> i must be on some old crappy one than :D
 Well mine doesn't :(
 Will have to test on vm. Not sure if that is helpful
[13:31] <soee> mparillo: you did install system and then have been dropped to cli ?
[13:36] <mparillo> I did not install. Lately on Xenial, booting the ISO gives a live plasma session instead of the option of try / install.
[13:37] <sgclark> haha I got the complete opposite
[13:38] <mparillo> I actually prefer the live plasma session with the install program in a desktop folder on the default desktop.
[13:39] <mparillo> Certainly getting dropped straight into an installer is a bigger bug than the reverse.
[13:40] <sgclark> sadly I know absolutely nothing of ubiquity
[13:40] <sgclark> so I am likely no help if it is broken. or installation issues at all.
[13:41] <mparillo> Thanks for trying anyway. Maybe the base Ubuntu project changed something recently.
[13:41] <sgclark> I have learned a valuable lesson. I know so much less than I thought I did when it comes to release
[13:42] <clivejo> I learned I know nothing about release!
[13:42] <sgclark> lol
[13:42] <mparillo> The first step towards wisdom is acknowledging that you do not know everything.
[13:42] <mparillo> Maybe I should write fortunes for fortune cookies
[13:43] <clivejo> the release fairies do it
[13:44] <mparillo> I will join #ubuntu-release and see if they know anything
[13:45] <acheron> clivejo: installed muon 5.6.0-0ubuntu1 from main repo but is still showing as 5.5 in "about" http://i.imgur.com/sqWA8ea.png
[13:46] <clivejo> acheron: that would need to be reported upstream
[13:47] <clivejo> in fact all those details need corected
[13:47] <clivejo> with Carlo, Ovidiu and Rick added in as maintainers
[13:48] <acheron> figured so, but wasn't sure who has responsibility now.
[13:48] <clivejo> do you have Carlo's email?
[13:48] <acheron> maybe
[13:49] <clivejo> hopefully if we can provide him with decent feedback, he will see people are using it and think its worth the effort in maintaining
[13:50] <clivejo> Id also like to see a link to it in Discover
[13:50] <clivejo> like in Advanced Tools or something
[13:51] <acheron> What? as in "if you'd like to use a proper package manager, please click this link?"
[13:51] <clivejo> LOL yeah
[13:51] <acheron> lol, yes perhaps
[13:51] <clivejo> big red button :)
[13:52] <soee> mparillo: there was known bug
[13:52] <clivejo> clicking it plays a clip of "Danger, Will Robinson! "
[13:52] <clivejo> and opens Muon PM
[13:53] <clivejo> I should be a UI designer, Id be great
[13:54] <acheron> I wouldn't.
[13:54] <sgclark> me either, all buttons would open a terminal
[13:55] <acheron> I don't mind doing things the hard way if I learn extra by it.
[13:55] <clivejo> LOL Im being sarcastic, I have no sense of style, fashion or art
[13:55] <acheron> 2 pPs in a pod then
[13:56] <clivejo> but I know what I like
[13:56] <clivejo> when an inferface feels natural and flowing
[13:57] <clivejo> I love being able to hope back and forth between Kubuntu and my phone
[13:57] <clivejo> kinda wish there was an app like telegram but more IRC focused
[13:58] <soee> irc focused ?
[13:58] <acheron> sorry I missed the packaging party that seems to have discussed it, if only in an initial way
[13:58] <clivejo> like would post messages as me
[13:58] <clivejo> acheron: you didnt miss much :P
[13:58] <clivejo> we learned how not to make a key!
[13:58]  * soee tries Clementine 1.3
[13:59] <acheron> I know how to mae a gpg key
[13:59] <acheron> *make
[13:59] <clivejo> as as far into packaging as we made it
[13:59] <clivejo> there was more partying than packaging!
[13:59] <sgclark> live desktop boots fine into a vm
[14:00] <acheron> clivejo: prob a result of holding it on a Friday nighy ;)
[14:01] <clivejo> but I thinki both have merit
[14:01] <acheron> lol
[14:02] <clivejo> hanging out and having fun is important too
[14:03] <clivejo> but I do find alcohol and packaging dont mix very well
[14:04] <clivejo> hard enough when you're sober!
[14:04] <acheron> linux is about community, so you are right
[14:04] <clivejo> we I think we should have parties and packaging events, both separate :)
[14:05] <acheron> packaging is about technicalities so less easy with of few JDs
[14:05] <acheron> *a few
[14:05] <sgclark> lol true
[14:05] <sgclark> but yeah probably should have seperate events.
[14:06] <sgclark> but I do think the party is a good event to keep going and hope it brings new people. ALways fun hanging out in less streessful environment.
[14:06] <clivejo> I agree
[14:07] <clivejo> learn a lot about people
[14:07] <sgclark> Too early for me to oenjoy the alchol side lol, but fun still
[14:07] <acheron> have one with a follow up later for those who want to get serious
[14:07] <clivejo> we all have hobbies and lifes outside of Kubuntu!
[14:07] <sgclark> wow I butchered that sentence and I am not drunk
[14:08] <clivejo> I think we should do it the other way around
[14:08] <clivejo> have the packaging first and then the party starts
[14:08] <sgclark> yeah
[14:08] <clivejo> we have 4 conference rooms on BBB
[14:09] <clivejo> we some people wanted to carry on packaging they could
[14:09] <clivejo> or move over to the party and chat, make friends
[14:09] <sgclark> yes, that sounds great
[14:11] <clivejo> I was impressed by that Simon cub
[14:11] <clivejo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/tsimonq2
[14:11] <clivejo> only 14 and already so involved in the community
[14:14] <sgclark> yeah thats awesome
[14:15] <sgclark> yes akonadi seems broken.
[14:15] <sgclark> no clue how or what though
[14:15] <sgclark> well obviously mysql
[14:15] <clivejo> sgclark: I dont understand, it was working with MySQL 5.7 yesterday
[14:15] <sgclark> it was?
[14:15] <clivejo> and literally broke over night without any updates
[14:16] <sgclark> I just upgraded and it is now broekn
[14:16] <sgclark> broken
[14:16] <clivejo> yeah I got it working again yesterday
[14:18] <soee> how can i test if it works or not ?
[14:18] <clivejo> I purged version 5.6, installed 5.7 then installed your version of akonadi
[14:19] <clivejo> was working fine
[14:19] <clivejo> in fact I thought it was a little quicker in displaying my bigger mailboxes
[14:24] <clivejo> could libqt5sql5-mysql have something to do with it?
[14:24] <sgclark> oh. seems I still have 5.6 mysql
[14:27] <sgclark> getting baloo_indexer errors
[14:35] <sgclark> well yet another thing way over my head. I have no idea.
[14:38] <sgclark> oh wait. mine is working after mysql upgrade.
[14:38] <sgclark> blah I need to lay back down. Not feeling so hot from lack of sleep. bbl
[14:43] <clivejo> I wish it would display details of the problem
[14:48] <clivejo> I keep getting an error - stderr: "mysqld: [ERROR] Could not open required defaults file: /home/clivejo/.local/share/akonadi/mysql.conf\nmysqld: [ERROR] Fatal error in defaults handling. Program aborted!\n"
[14:48] <clivejo> the file is there
[14:48] <clivejo> Ive removed it, copied an old one and still getting that arror
 Sound like format changed? Try to remove and restart akonadi?
[14:50] <clivejo> I dont understand that /mysql.conf\nmysqld
[14:50] <clivejo> \n is a new line?
 Yeah
[14:50] <clivejo> Ive removed it
[14:50] <clivejo> and restarted, it just creates a new old and fails
 Dont know. Can try and ping dvatril in #kontact
[14:54] <clivejo> https://paste.kde.org/p38cchqjn
 Seems likely that appended \nmysqld
[14:57] <clivejo> I dont know
[14:57] <clivejo> the config file looks fine and its worked in the past
 Me either!
[14:57] <clivejo> have we still got akonadi in the misc ppa?
 No idea sorry
[14:58] <clivejo> doesnt seem to be :(
[15:20] <Skuggen> clivejo: I think maybe that error message is just putting \n instead of a linebreak, and that \nmysqld isn't really part of the error message
[15:21] <Skuggen> Can you try setting mode 777 on the mysql.conf file just to see if that has any effect?
[15:21] <clivejo> sure, just a sec
[15:22] <clivejo> my head is all over the place right now
[15:24] <Skuggen> ls /etc/mysql/
[15:24] <Skuggen> Whops, wrong window
[15:29] <clivejo> Skuggen: still failing to open the file
[15:33] <Skuggen> What did you do to get it working yesterday?
[15:34] <clivejo> I purged all mysql and kontact, installed 5.7 and then installed kontact
[15:35] <clivejo> it was working last night, I shut it down, booted this morning and its not working
 /me jumps to tumbleweed
[18:18] <sgclark> mparillo: plasma starts in live and on install in a VM for me. I cannot reproduce on hardware as I only have access to USB which seems to not allow live session.
[18:19] <sgclark> clivejo: oh plasma-dsicover was merged from debian bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1570551
[18:19] <sgclark> guessing debian does not have those patches
[18:23] <snele> sgclark: in archive is discover 5.5.5. the patch is from 5.6.0 so it needs to be backported to 5.5.5. if discover 5.6.2 would be merged it will already has this patch
[18:24] <snele> anyway i see new discover with patch is built so i'll test it and report back
[18:25] <sgclark> snele: the one from bug report? yeah please do
[18:25] <sgclark> I have no idea how we had patches and now dont then...
[18:33] <sgclark> ok I think my akonadi problem has to do with this akonadi_baloo_indexer which is not suppose to exist. removing that seems to have made my mail functional again.
[18:36] <sgclark> ScottK: we have a debian merge that needs to go in, fixes stuff plasma-discover https://launchpad.net/~ximion/+archive/ubuntu/tests/+packages?field.series_filter=xenial the bug linked above.
[18:37] <sgclark> pretty please with cherries on top.
[18:40] <sgclark> ximion: hopefully ScottK can help us get that in ^^
[18:43] <ximion> :-)
[18:47] <clivejo> ximion: whats that package in your PPA?
[18:47] <sgclark> plasma-discover
[18:47] <sgclark> should fix those problems we are having
[18:47] <clivejo> is it not fixed?
[18:48] <sgclark> I didnt see any updates, so my guess is no?
[18:48] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-discover/5.5.5-0ubuntu2
[18:48] <sgclark> ah
[18:48] <clivejo> Adam aka infinity applied the patches earier
[18:48] <sgclark> oh well we should bring in this newer one anyway
[18:49] <sgclark> Ffe was approved awhile ago, just short a MOTU as usual
[18:49]  * sgclark feels like she is working with her hands tied behind her back
[18:49] <clivejo> Phil cherry picked those patches for it to work
[18:50] <clivejo> but I dont know where they went to in the mean time
[18:50] <sgclark> I've no idea..
[18:50] <clivejo> snele: did you get 5.5.5-0ubuntu2 yet?
[18:50] <sgclark> but it seems I know very little
[18:51] <clivejo> I didnt think we could put Plasma 5.6 into the archive
[18:51] <clivejo> unless it was a patch
[18:51] <clivejo> to 5.5.5 source
[18:53] <clivejo> is that wrong?
[18:56] <clivejo> I give up with akonadi
[18:56] <clivejo> Ive no idea why it wont work
[18:59] <sgclark> clivejo: apparently we can. I asked the same thing. It does not depend on any other plasma components.
[18:59] <clivejo> oh right
[19:00]  * clivejo makes a mental note
[19:00] <clivejo> well i believe the issue snele had is fixed in that ubuntu2 version
[19:01] <clivejo> although I didnt see a report back
[19:01] <sgclark> ok
[19:01] <clivejo> is your akonadi working sgclark?
[19:02] <sgclark> yep
[19:02] <sgclark> my problem was a rogue baloo_indexer
[19:02] <sgclark> installion cruft
[19:02] <clivejo> do you use kontact?
[19:03] <sgclark> yes
[19:07] <clivejo> I cant get it to start :(
[19:08]  * clivejo rolls back to 5.6
[19:10] <clivejo> hi Blizzz
[19:10] <clivejo> BluesKaj even
[19:10] <Blizzz> hey hey ;)
[19:10] <clivejo> sorry !
[19:10] <BluesKaj> yup, clivejo that's me :-)
[19:11] <clivejo> auto complete goes a bit crazy with BluesKaj
[19:11] <BluesKaj> too many blue ppl
[19:12] <BluesKaj> had this nick since 1999
[19:12] <BluesKaj> on irc
[19:12] <clivejo> thats a long time!
[19:14] <BluesKaj> didn't have a pc at home until then ...used them at work etc, but this little town didn't have any internet service worth using until Bell brought in dialup the yr before
[19:15] <BluesKaj> my workplace had it's own network connected to it's head office etc
[19:17] <clivejo> and its working again
[19:17] <clivejo> with mysql 5.6
[19:17] <clivejo> so whats the difference?!?
[19:21] <sgclark> that is weird. mine did not work until I upgraded to 5.7...
[19:21] <sgclark> gremlins
[19:21] <clivejo> *beeping* *beeper* spammers
[19:22] <sgclark> yeah out of control
[19:22] <clivejo> bye bye sendgrid.com you are the weakest link
[19:27] <clivejo> it would be nice if the plasmiod updater could be configured to launch Muon PM instead
[19:32] <clivejo> Skuggen: ping
[19:45] <Skuggen> clivejo: I'll try to pick some brains at the office tomorrow and see if we can figure out what the issue is (plus I'll have a machine I can actually use to test stuff)
[19:47] <mparillo> TY sgclark: I will try to reproduce tomorrow morning in a VM with tomorrows ISO. BTW, nobody in #ubuntu-release had heard about it either.
[19:49] <clivejo> Ive gone back to 5.6 and it works fine
[19:57] <Skuggen> So for you it only works with 5.6 and for sgclark it only works with 5.7 now?
[19:57] <clivejo> o/ snele
[19:57] <clivejo> seems that way
[19:57] <Skuggen> And you both had existing databases?
[19:58] <clivejo> I did, quite large ones
[19:59] <clivejo> it caches all my emails etc
[19:59]  * clivejo ties a rope to snele's ankle
[20:02] <snele> clivejo: works now :) thank you
[20:04] <Skuggen> clivejo: I don't have an existing setup to test with, but from the errors I guess I should be able to reproduce by first installing with 5.6 and then upgrading
[20:10] <clivejo> upgrading?
[20:11] <sgclark> I have existing yes, probably not as large as clivejo but largish
[20:11] <sgclark> I do not get the conf error he gets eaither
[20:11] <sgclark> either
[20:12] <clivejo> have you rebooted since Scarlett?
[20:12] <sgclark> yeah when I tested the iso
[20:12] <clivejo> it was working last night, but when I booted this morning it wasnt
[20:14] <clivejo> !info libneon27 xenial
[20:15] <Skuggen> clivejo: I still suspect some sort of permission issue on the file, since that's the error message you get if mysql can't read it, not just if it's not there
[20:15] <clivejo> but it reads it fine in 5.6
[20:16] <Skuggen> But I don't know why that would change from 5.6 to 5.7
[20:16] <Skuggen> right
[20:17] <Skuggen> sgclark: You haven't run mysql_upgrade on the akonadi db, right?
[20:21] <clivejo> nope
[20:21] <clivejo> so I had 5.6 installed, which was working.  Then installed mysql-server, rebooted and now its not working
[20:24] <clivejo> one thing I notice is that if I purge all mysql and just install 5.7 it doesnt ask for a root password
[20:24] <clivejo> is that normal?
[20:24] <Skuggen> This is after installing 5.6?
[20:25] <clivejo> purge all
[20:25] <vip> I've heard about new permission types (socket, password)
[20:25] <clivejo> then install 5.6 it asks for a root password
[20:25] <Skuggen> The 5.6 install scripts won't always purge the password, I think, so it remembers it
[20:25] <clivejo> but 5.7 doesnt
[20:25] <Skuggen> Yes, they use the same debconf variable
[20:26] <Skuggen> That's intentional; upgrading generally shouldn't make it forget user preferences. But 5.6 not clearing the root password is a bug
[20:27] <Skuggen> Bedtime for me. I'll let you know what we figure out
[20:27] <clivejo> I have to rm the var/lib/mysql folder to downgrade because of a debian flag
[20:31] <Skuggen> Yeah, it touches and checks for the debian-[version].flag file to prevent accidental downgrades, though the way it's done is pretty iffy
[20:38] <sgclark> Skuggen: not to my knowledge
[21:09] <clivejo> does anyone else plasma panel keep moving after a reboot?
 ?
[21:14] <clivejo> every reboot it jumps to my other monitor
[21:14] <clivejo> really getting on my nerves now
[21:15] <mparillo> I wish I had dual monitors.
[21:15] <ahoneybun> my graphics card port stopped working so I'm down to 1
[21:16] <clivejo> and another reboot!
[21:16] <clivejo> feels like Im back on windows today
 @Cliff i seen this on my dual monitor setup at work.
[22:16] <mparillo> !testers
[22:16] <mparillo> First Release Candidates are up: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/359/builds
 I can test tomorrow :)
[22:17] <clivejo> @marcinsagol does it do it every reboot?
 I don't think so. Can't remember now. It happens sometimes after some updates.
 I suggest to test it on a new user account
 This way you can verify if some configuration is misbehaving
 I have 2 screens at work. First one has panel on left edge and second screen on its right edge.
 And sometimes the panel from second screen is moved to first screen right edge.
 But as I said it happens after some updates I think.
[22:45] <mamarley> clivejo: I have seen the panel-moving issue on my home computer as well.  I haven't seen it on my work computer though.
[22:45] <clivejo> it 'jumps' on mine
[22:46] <clivejo> it starts to load in the right place then jumps to the second monitor
[22:46] <mamarley> Sometimes after I boot the panel on the right monitor flashes several times, and sometimes it ends up moving to the left monitor.
[22:46] <mamarley> (The right monitor is where it should be; I have one panel on each.)
[22:47] <clivejo> I have one panel on my bottom screen
[22:47] <clivejo> but it jumps to the top screen on reboot and first boot
[22:47] <mamarley> Anyway, it is somewhat annoying, but not a showstopper by any means.  I can move it back.
[22:48] <mamarley> It doesn't always move for me, only sometimes.
[23:42] <mparillo> Whoo-Hoo. Today's release candidate booted, I got the try / install, and I am re-booting.
[23:46] <mamarley> Cool, that's great.
[23:49] <mparillo> Still no default applications in favorites, but otherwise great news. Thanks to so many, but especially to sgclark, yofel
[23:50] <sgclark> great news
[23:50]  * sgclark wonders where favorites is defined
[23:57] <snele> classic menu widget has favorites
[23:57] <snele> but it probably has different config file
[23:57] <sgclark> I mean in kubuntu land so defaults are set


[00:01] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:09] <Azelphur> stumbled upon this with my daily deal hunting, http://www.amazon.co.uk/Vodafone-Smart-Turbo-Pay-Handset-Black/dp/B00MRS0C24
[00:09] <Azelphur> looks pretty swish actually
[00:11] <penguin42> not bad for the money, although might be worth checking Argos's sale, they normally have good deals on phones
[00:12] <Azelphur> doubt you'll find much cheaper than that, quad core with 4G for £60
[00:13] <daftykins> :)
[00:13] <daftykins> what's the unlocking potential like?
[00:14] <Azelphur> no clue, I literally just read the specs on paper
[00:14] <daftykins> we have our own telcos :<
[00:15] <daftykins> or is that :>
[00:16] <penguin42> Azelphur: Watch out for the quadness, some of them are poor spec cores
[00:16] <Azelphur> ah
[00:17] <penguin42> Azelphur: The A7 cores are low spec cores
[00:17] <penguin42> Azelphur: I mean still better than 2 A7 cores, but slower than the equivalent A15 cores
[00:17] <penguin42> Azelphur: But people go 'woohoo quad core' and don't really notice it's 1.2GHz A7
[00:18] <Azelphur> yea I guess, I figured 1.2ghz quad would be fine
[00:18] <Azelphur> the Nexus 4 was a 1.5ghz quad and it was really nice, still is
[00:19] <Azelphur> but yea, I suppose I should pay more attention to whether it's a crappy core
[00:19] <penguin42> Azelphur: Yeh but those were 1.5GHz Krait's
[00:19] <Azelphur> indeed
[00:19] <penguin42> I'm not sure of the performance diff between a krait and an A7
[00:20] <penguin42> Azelphur: The octocore machines that have 4 fast, 4 slow, I think tend to have the A7's as the slow, and A15 as the fast
[00:20] <Azelphur> I see :)
[00:21] <daftykins> shame Google ignore the flaws with the Nexus 4
[00:22] <penguin42> Azelphur: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P4WtPGVHF-qFJbuR0LnM-kj15CzZAIAJQYUkMbvpRas/edit#gid=0
[00:22] <penguin42> (from a bit of googling)
[00:22] <Azelphur> that's a useful chart
[00:22] <penguin42> Azelphur: So I don't know if that's actually accurate, but that's saying an A7 is 1.9DMIPS/MHz, and an A15 is 3.5, Krait is 3.3
[00:23] <penguin42> Azelphur: so a quad A7 just about scrapes past a dual Krait, and is slower than a dual A15 (just)
[00:23] <Azelphur> I see
[00:24] <penguin42> Azelphur: Milage may of course vary, past performance is no guarantee of future gains....
[00:39] <daftykins> Azelphur: just a thought, if you haven't made any progress, have you thought about trying a cyanogenmod channel for anyone that might use chromecast? regardless of using said ROM of course
[00:39] <Azelphur> I asked on #android and some dude told me to use localcast which didn't work
[00:39] <daftykins> hrmmph
[01:25] <ali12341> sup
[01:26] <ali12341> moto g is the best deal at the moment
[01:26] <ali12341> 140 unlocked, android 5.0, dual sim or 4G
[01:28] <ali12341> also we just did the chromecast thing here
[01:28] <ali12341> worked fine, watched some iplayer and it was near-HD quality
[05:00] <mapito> hey
[05:00] <mapito> so whos seen the interview
[05:24] <shauno> I don't really plan to.  it doesn't really sound worth watching
[05:25] <mapito> 9/10 on imdb tho
[05:25] <shauno> heh
[05:26] <shauno> it was 9/10 before anyone had seen it.  for the same reason slovakia voted to name a bridge "chuck norris bridge".  you can't trust the internet to vote :)
[05:26] <mapito> oh
[05:26] <mapito> so who wa behind the 'hack'
[05:28] <shauno> if I was a betting man, my money would be on TeamGhostShell
[05:31] <shauno> the NK angle just seems highly illogical.  they'd shared everything they had and torched the remains long before anyone made the connection with this movie
[05:31] <shauno> that's not what you do if you're trying to use it as leverage
[05:32] <mapito> yea
[05:33] <mapito> how did they get into sony servers does anyone know what the vulnerability was
[05:33] <shauno> from what I've read, it sounds quite likely they had inside help
[05:34] <shauno> and sony's reputation for security seems so bad that someone holding the door open would go a whole long way
[05:35] <mapito> what about the nk hack..didnt they steal fury?
[05:36] <shauno> this is a pretty hilarious read from 2007; http://www.cio.com/article/2439324/risk-management/your-guide-to-good-enough-compliance.html
[05:41] <shauno> it does start to paint a picture that perhaps drawing blood from their network isn't quite the feat it sounds
[05:59] <mapito> heh
[05:59] <mapito> howcome oure still up?
[05:59] <mapito> oure
[05:59] <mapito> youre argh
[06:06] <shauno> heh, I'm at work
[06:09] <mapito> ah
[06:09] <mapito> till what time
[06:09] <mapito> you work from home yea?
[06:09] <shauno> nope, in the office, till 6
[06:10] <shauno> (pm)
[09:40] <MooDoo> morning all
[10:24] <zmoylan-pi> you might have to wait for the turkey coma to wear off for more responses... :-)
[10:33] <DJones> Morning all
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> hellos!
[10:49] <Myrtti> $timeofday
[10:52] <popey> Ya!
[10:57] <bashrc> morning
[10:59] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[11:15] <czajkowski> aloha
[11:22] <SuperEngineer> HoHoHo [whoops. 1 day out out]
[11:25] <popey> Yo yo yo!
[11:26] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[11:30] <bashrc> post-ho
[11:33]  * Azelphur waves
[11:33] <Azelphur> boxing day sales aren't doing much, anyone see any cheap ~1TB drives?
[11:35] <SuperEngineer> Azelphur, yes - but it's busy doing backups... thanks for the concern though ;)
[11:35] <Azelphur> haha
[11:35] <zmoylan-pi> might get bargins in russia for hard currency? :-/
[11:50]  * SuperEngineer loves the way the VLC icon has a Santa hat on it during Christmas
[11:50] <zmoylan-pi> or plume replaces notification noise with sleigh bells
[15:36] <SuperMatt> I've made the switch to the gnome edition :)
[16:18] <popey> Congratulations.
[16:29] <SuperMatt> I'm going to make the switch at work too, I just think it's that little bit nicer than using regular ubuntu with gnome installed
[16:32] <shauno> hm, here's a fun one.  I need to find a dns server that doesn't reply to tcp requests.  I suspect I may as well skip this step and go straight to headbutting walls
[16:33] <penguin42> why?!
[16:33] <penguin42> but anyway, a firewall entry should solve that
[16:35] <shauno> trying to 'prove' a really weird scenario - one that does appear to be affecting customers, but everyone claims shouldn't
[16:35] <penguin42> ok, so just add a firewall rule to block tcp connections on port 53 with whatever form of 'block' you want
[16:36] <shauno> we have a loadbalancer that only replies to udp.  platform maintain this isn't an issue because it serves no 'large' requests, so tcp should never be required
[16:37] <shauno> now I appear to be running into customers who are only allowing 53/tcp outbound (not sure whether it's intentional .. they're in India)
[16:38] <penguin42> yeh they're just wrong
[16:39] <shauno> they're all wrong.  I want to bang their heads together.  but each claim it isn't a problem because it works for everyone else
[16:39] <penguin42> what's the largest valid udp sizes you're seeign?
[16:40] <shauno> honestly, no idea, I'm quite removed from the actual operations
[16:40] <shauno> but the loadbalancers serve no complex requests.  just 2 A records
[16:40] <penguin42> shauno: Curiously wikipedia has a piece of text that says 'Some resolver implementations use TCP for all queries.' but doesn't say which
[16:43] <shauno> hm, that's an interesting one.  if I can prove that, it might be just the blunt instrument required to correct our side
[16:44] <penguin42> shauno: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Domain_Name_System#Protocol_transport
[17:12]  * penguin42 saw a segway tour underway near me earlier; it seemed very leisurely and boring
[17:43] <mapito> what to do
[17:43] <mapito> hm
[17:43] <mapito> ive used a segway
[17:43] <zmoylan-pi> the cops use them here, looks a little silly
[17:43] <mapito> hard at irst tbh..and i cant imagine using one all round a town
[17:44] <mapito> like in the Prague and that they do tours around the city on a segway
[17:44] <mapito> in busy areas..i wouldnt fancy using one:D
[17:44] <penguin42> this was in a park
[17:44] <shauno> aye I've seen the cops in dublin using them.  they look hilarious.
[17:44] <mapito> does seem odd
[17:45] <mapito> theyre quite expensive too iirc?
[17:45] <zmoylan-pi> they do put the cops a few inches above the crowd so might be good in that respect
[17:45] <mapito> whats wrong with a good ole push bike:
[17:45] <shauno> I think they should just walk.  they ought to be approachable - not ducking out their way because they managed to balance some fat guy on 1 wheel
[17:46] <zmoylan-pi> cheap segways only have 1 wheel? :-)
[17:46] <shauno> I figure if it's dublin, there'll be a brick under the other wheel
[17:47] <zmoylan-pi> look for gardai going in circles...
[23:30] <mapp> hm
[23:30] <penguin42> hmm?
[23:30]  * zmoylan-pi puts rubber mat under the humming equipment to eliminate the noise
[23:32] <penguin42> zmoylan-pi: Depends how desperate you get: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-q-0aWnlSYz0/VGN6RVUMkrI/AAAAAAAAEyM/-l7EJz5Re04/w1079-h809-no/SAM_2842.JPG


[10:56] <cjohnston> yaili: would you mind pinging Steve Edwards for me and ask him if he could come on here?
[10:57] <yaili> cjohnston: hi, we're in a conference call at the moment, but I'll let him know
[10:57] <cjohnston> ty
[11:37] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Hey there.
[11:37] <cjohnston> hey steveedwards
[11:37] <steveedwards> cjohnston: How are you?
[11:37] <cjohnston> can you take a look at something specific for me please?
[11:37] <cjohnston> not too bad
[11:37] <cjohnston> need more caffene
[11:38] <cjohnston> 2 issues actually
[11:38] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Sure thing.
[11:39] <cjohnston> http://summit.chrisjohnston.org/test-summit  <-- mouse around the 'developer summit' part of the header
[11:39] <cjohnston> I haven't figured out how to make it a link right now because the link has to be changed based upon the url basically
[11:39] <cjohnston> but it has an odd color issue when moving the mouse around
[11:40] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Ah yes. I can provide you with some CSS to fix that.
[11:40] <cjohnston> ok..
[11:40] <cjohnston> the other is http://summit.chrisjohnston.org/test-summit/create_meeting/
[11:40] <cjohnston> the form looks pretty bad
[11:40] <cjohnston> and I have no idea why
[11:42] <steveedwards> cjohnston: First up, pop this line in your core.css stylesheet...
[11:43] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Actually, scrap that. You don't need to add an extra line, you just need to amend an existing rule. I'll email the details.
[11:43] <cjohnston> ok
[11:43] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Checking the form now...
[11:44] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Hmm. When I navigate to that URL I get redirected to: http://summit.chrisjohnston.org/test-summit
[11:44] <cjohnston> the other is http://summit.chrisjohnston.org/test-summit/propose_meeting/
[11:44] <cjohnston> sorry
[11:45] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Cool.
[11:50] <steveedwards> cjohnston: I'll send you some styles for your form too. There are some basic rules in the core file, but I stripped out what I didn't need for UDS.
[11:50] <cjohnston> ok.. thanks
[12:57] <cjohnston> steveedwards: I have fixed the header part.. and your going to send the form stuff correct?
[13:12] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Yup. I'll send it to you shortly.
[13:12] <cjohnston> ok.. ty
[13:12] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Thanks for sorting out the header.
[13:12] <cjohnston> np
[13:13] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Is the change live? I'm not sure I see it.
[13:13] <cjohnston> steveedwards: I would like, after Connect, to get together and discuss merging the two sites and the best way to do it
[13:13] <cjohnston> steveedwards: no.. i was waiting on the forms stuff before pushing
[13:14] <steveedwards> cjohnston: Okay, sure.
[13:30] <steveedwards> cjohnston: I've emailed you an example form (markup and styles). Lemme know if you've got any questions.
[13:31] <steveedwards> cjohnston: The stylesheet references some images which I've not attached. I'll collect those up now and email them separately.
[13:50] <cjohnston> thanks steveedwards
[13:50] <steveedwards> cjohnston: No sweat.
[13:57] <cjohnston> yaili: are we still on in 2 minutes?
[13:58] <yaili> cjohnston: yes
[13:58] <cjohnston> cool
[14:03] <steveedwards> cjohnston: 1<PHONE_NUMBER>
[14:58] <cjohnston> steveedwards, yaili peterm-ubuntu thanks
[14:59] <steveedwards> cjohnston: No worries. Thanks for joining.
[15:01] <peterm-ubuntu> cjohnston you are very welcome
[23:10] <daker> i really want to get  a Raspberrry Pi


[06:17] <bkerensa> m
[09:28] <knome> n
[10:13] <chu> o
[11:22] <bazhang> k
[16:59] <mneptok> SeH[Connect]: is there something you need from the ops team?
[20:20] <mneptok> SeH[Connect]: is there something you need from the ops team?
[20:24] <TheMaster> That was autojoin, connected to two other channels at the same time.
[20:27] <mneptok> le sigh
[23:52] <bazhang> smallfoot- ban evading in #ubuntu again
[23:54] <bazhang> he joins uncloaked, then does the changing host to cloak to get around it
[23:55] <smallfoot-> help
[23:55] <smallfoot-> bazhole just banned me from #ubuntu for no reason
[23:55] <smallfoot-> i didnt do anything
[23:55] <smallfoot-> look, i said NOTHING
[23:56] <smallfoot-> im innocent
[23:57] <bazhang> smallfoot-, the ban was still in place.
[23:57] <smallfoot-> :(
[23:58] <IdleOne> calling him bazhole doesn't make me want to remove the ban
[23:58] <smallfoot-> i typed wrong
[23:58] <bazhang> very
[23:58] <smallfoot-> cuz i was pissed and all i cud think of was asshole
[23:58] <IdleOne> right. Part this channel and stop ban evading.
[23:59] <smallfoot-> but how can i get unbanned?