[12:00] <mirak_> |trey|, kk....thnx
[12:00] <|trey|> mirak, other useful dpkg commands = dpkg -l [pkg]  - list packages info... dpkg -L pkg - lists files installed by package...
[12:01] <aswells> How can I install xfree86 mesa and xfree86 mesa devel ?
[12:01] <|trey|> asubedi, mesa out to be there by default
[12:01] <mirak_> |trey|, thnx...ill eventually learn em ......
[12:01] <topyli> |trey|: i just use wajig these days, don't remember much of dpkg and apg juju :)
[12:01] <tweaked> hey i have one question: everytime i try and format my harddrive it says /dev/hdb1: Invalid argument passed to ext2 library while setting up superblock
[12:01] <topyli> s/apg/apt
[12:01] <|trey|> aswells: xlibmesa-dev is the dev package...
[12:02] <aswells> thanx
[12:02] <|trey|> topyli, never heard of it   :(
[12:02] <tweaked> any ideas on what is causing that
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: that sounds quite bad
[12:03] <epod> Ok, Ubuntu automounts SD Cards automatically, but for some reason it's not automounting my USB hard disk
[12:03] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: how are you formatting it
[12:03] <|trey|> tweaked, ls /dev/hdb*
[12:03] <epod> The drive is there, /dev/sdc1, but it's not popping up on my desktop
[12:03] <|trey|> tweaked, it exists?
[12:03] <topyli> |trey|: it's well worth finding out about. apt, update-alternatives, /etc/init.d/xxx start/stop etc. behind one sudo'ed command
[12:03] <epod> does anyone know how I can fix that?
[12:03] <tweaked> yes it does
[12:03] <tweaked> it is there
[12:03] <blackdog> hi, when is hoary to be released?
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> epod: does it show up in lsusb/ dmesg ?
[12:04] <tweaked> |trey|: it is there
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> blackdog: april
[12:04] <blackdog> HrdwrBoB, thx
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> holy crap
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> :/
[12:04] <|trey|> blackdog, when all RC bugs are squashed and the feature set meets the goals of the devs
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> I also get married in april
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> it's rapidly approaching
[12:04] <spiv> blackdog: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HoaryReleaseSchedule
[12:04] <blackdog> ah, ok
[12:04] <mirak_> hrdwrbob, congratz!!
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> what spiv said
[12:04] <HrdwrBoB> mirak_: thanks :)
[12:04] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, I'd be planning my escape route by now  ;)
[12:04] <tweaked> it is there
[12:04] <mirak_> lol
[12:04] <epod> HrdwrBoB, yep
[12:05] <stuNNed> what is good ntfs line in fstab for normal user to mount?
[12:05] <GnuHippy> pclcomp.c: In function `free_mem':
[12:05] <GnuHippy> pclcomp.c:2969: warning: `return' with no value, in function returning non-void
[12:05] <GnuHippy> pclcomp.c:2971: warning: implicit declaration of function `free'
[12:05] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, congrats though  :)
[12:05] <GnuHippy> errr
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> heh thanks
[12:05] <epod> HrdwrBoB, scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
[12:05] <epod>   Vendor: Maxtor 6  Model: E040L0            Rev:  0 0
[12:05] <tweaked> any ideas
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> I have planned many escape routes
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> epod: well, you can mount it manually
[12:05] <HrdwrBoB> epod: the automount usb devices isn't 100%
[12:05] <epod> HrdwrBoB, yep, but I want it to automount like my SD cards do
[12:05] <epod> oh
[12:05] <epod> so there's no way to make it automount?
[12:06] <HrdwrBoB> is it a single partition?
[12:06] <epod> it's a single NTFS partition
[12:06] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, haha.. yeah, marriage is a big decision *nods*
[12:06] <HrdwrBoB> epod: oh, ntfs
[12:06] <HrdwrBoB> hrm
[12:06] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, my ex proposed... haven't talked to her since  :o
[12:06] <billytwowilly> how do I fix this: line:2: fatal: cannot open file `/lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686/build/include/linux/version.h' for reading (No such file or directory)
[12:06] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: to format it i am using mkfs ext3 /dev/hdb1
[12:06] <mirak_> |trey|, because of that?.................haha
[12:07] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: LOL
[12:07] <mirak> |trey|: I am not mirak_
[12:07] <mirak> mirak_ plz change your nick
[12:07] <|trey|> mirak_, haha... yup... I'm am WAY too young to be married... and she was younger... I was just having fun... I guess it was more serious to her  :/
[12:07] <mirak> that's a total mess
[12:07] <Hikaru79> Is there a Ubuntu usenet newsgroup? Or at least a debian newsgroup?
[12:07] <epod> HrdwrBoB, if I make it ext3 do you think it will automount?
[12:07] <GnuHippy> has anybody tried to compile x.org?
[12:07] <GnuHippy> ??
[12:07] <HrdwrBoB> epod: it's a lot more likley
[12:08] <Striss> not I
[12:08] <MFen> from an avowed windows lover:
[12:08] <MFen> (15:05:17) AT: ok so Ubuntu is now my linux hero
[12:08] <MFen> (15:05:20) AT: I love Ubuntu
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> if you can reformat it
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> epod: realistically fat32 would be best
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> because then it's compatible with more OSes
[12:08] <|trey|> GnuHippy, it will be in Hoary probably this weekend, you can't live with Xfree for a few more days?  ;)
[12:08] <Matt|> oooh
[12:08] <Matt|> this weekend?
[12:08] <|trey|> Matt|, thats what I was told, yes  :)
[12:08] <spiv> MFen: :)
[12:08] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: can you help me?
[12:08] <Matt|> estimated time before it works ok?
[12:08] <MFen> spiv: that was our tester
[12:08] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: I'm not sure what's wrong tbh
[12:09] <epod> HrdwrBoB, good point, can I format a disk as fat32 from Linux? :)
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: there's nothing wrong with the device?
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> epod: yes you can :D
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> mkfs.vfat
[12:09] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: tbh?
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> to be honesty
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> to be honest
[12:09] <MFen> spiv: she loves windows. but she loves even more that our product installs with no tweaking and no extra packages needed on ubuntu :-)
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: that's certainly an odd error
[12:09] <traviss>  libgnutls11-dev: Depends: libgnutls11 (= 1.0.16-9) but it is not installable <-- why am i getting that
[12:09] <epod> HrdwrBoB, awesome.  I just have to back up the data to my hard disk first.
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: have you apt-get dist-upgraded lately ?
[12:09] <HrdwrBoB> epod: cool
[12:09] <GnuHippy> |trey| xfree is so fugly ;)
[12:09] <spiv> MFen: Sweet :)
[12:09] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: well what i am trying to do is mount a slave drive, yes
[12:10] <GnuHippy> I want soft shadows
[12:10] <GnuHippy> ;)
[12:10] <|trey|> traviss, apt-get install libgnutls11 and see what it says  :)
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> MFen: yeah, I installed ubuntu on my fiance's PC after I upgraded the kernel and stuff just broke
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> I have been wanting to isntall it for ages now :)
[12:10] <epod> HrdwrBoB, ok, I sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/sdc1 /mnt and now it's mounted, but I don't have the right permissions to view it...?
[12:10] <|trey|> GnuHippy, hah... composite doesn't work yet, so you won't get that anyways  :(
[12:10] <MFen> "just broke"? isn't that bad?
[12:10] <traviss> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[12:10] <traviss> E: Couldn't find package libgnutls11
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> epod: yeah just use root to copy them off
[12:10] <HrdwrBoB> is the easiest way
[12:11] <epod> ah ok
[12:11] <|trey|> traviss, well, there is your answer... that sucks though  :(
[12:11] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: and i was reading a tutorial and that is what it is saying to do, could you help me with that
[12:11] <traviss> yea without it i cant use msn on gaim
[12:11] <HrdwrBoB> traviss: apt-get remove gnutls11-dev
[12:11] <Striss> is it very hard to get video output to TV working in Ubuntu?
[12:11] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: what you're doing is correct
[12:11] <|trey|> traviss, hmm, I'm talking to people on Gaim's MSN protocol   :/
[12:11] <traviss> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[12:11] <traviss> E: Couldn't find package gnutls11-dev
[12:11] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: mount a hd that is
[12:11] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: but what's happening isn't normal
[12:11] <Matt|> do you guys think that this channel will carry on as it is for many years? I think the idea of having the developers in the channel and them helping with support is the best thing about this operating system: it is invaluable
[12:11] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: are you 100% sure the partition exists and is ok?
[12:12] <HrdwrBoB> Matt|: the developers also have their own channel ;)
[12:12] <Matt|> HrdwrBoB, yeah i guess that's for their own work ;)
[12:12] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: yes i am sure, or i could make a new one
[12:12] <|trey|> Matt|, I would certainly hope so, yes...
[12:12] <Matt|> but the support in here is fantastic
[12:12] <traviss> argh... i dont get why this wont let me run msn.. aim/yahoo works
[12:12] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: ok, give me a minute
[12:12] <tweaked> HrdwrBob: ok
[12:13] <|trey|> Matt|, hopefully, especially if this channel gets more popular, they might even offer some regular helpers a job... one can hope  :)
[12:13] <Matt|> |trey|, yeah that is a good idea.
[12:13] <Matt|> |trey|, are you one of those?
[12:13] <Matt|> ;p
[12:13] <mirak_> matt|, i just joined this channel a few weeks ago..........about 50 more ppl now
[12:13] <Matt|> cool
[12:14] <|trey|> Matt|, I would like to think so  ;)   I dunno though, I tend to bite peoples heads off too much, so yeah, I might not be the best Canonical representative right now  :(
[12:14] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: ok, can you give me the partition listing in #flood
[12:14] <Matt|> well long may it last
[12:14] <epod> argh, I shouldn't have done the backup as root, the process has higher priority than xmms... my mp3s are skipping
[12:14] <topyli> |trey|: we're under 300 again. this is not very popular :)
[12:14] <tweaked> HrbwrBoB: YEs hold on
[12:14] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: you can get this using fdisk -l /dev/hdb
[12:14] <tweaked> HrdwrBob: yes it shows up
[12:14] <HrdwrBoB> can you paste the listing? :)
[12:14] <Matt|> topyli, as long as the users can come here for support at any time, that is the important thing!
[12:15] <|trey|> Matt|, exactly  :)
[12:15] <HrdwrBoB> I remember when this channel had <30 people in it
[12:15] <tweaked> HrdwrBob: ok i am there
[12:15] <HrdwrBoB> those were the days indeed :)
[12:15] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, I never saw it lower then 170  :(
[12:15] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, guess there was a large jump when the preview was released... hadn't heard of it prior to those announcements though  :(
[12:16] <topyli> Matt|: well, this is pretty global, that's for sure
[12:16] <HrdwrBoB> trey, yeah I was a sounder
[12:16] <Matt|> topyli, yeah, and people can just open their Xchat and click click they get instant free support
[12:16] <epod> You know you have too much fun at work when you're cleaning spyware off a customer's windows system.. and since it keeps hijacking any web pages with ad-aware so you can't download it, you go FTP it
[12:16] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: what else do you want me to do?
[12:16] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: it looks like there may be a problem with your partition anyway
[12:16] <billytwowilly> Is there some secret to compiling kernel modules for ubuntu?
[12:16] <HrdwrBoB> can you recreate it?
[12:16] <Matt|> epod, been there :(
[12:16] <stuNNed> what would be the proper way to mount an ntfs fs in ubuntu so that it shows up in nautilus in all the right places?
[12:17] <HrdwrBoB> billytwowilly: what are you trying to acheive?
[12:17] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: The Partition?
[12:17] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: yeah
[12:17] <|trey|> Matt|, imo, Xchat should be set up to default to this channel... would make it even easier for new users  :)
[12:17] <epod> Matt|, I ftp'd ad-aware, stupid spyware can't stop me :D
[12:17] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: if you can reset the partition table and re-write it
[12:17] <billytwowilly> I'm trying to compile the acerhk special key modules for my laptop so I can use my wifi card
[12:17] <Matt|> |trey|, it is the top in the list
[12:17] <Matt|> epod, unless you don't have ftp client
[12:17] <epod> Matt|, in windows, ftp is builtin.
[12:17] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: i can let me remember the command
[12:17] <|trey|> Matt|, I used the FreeNode listing, didn't see anything that came here?
[12:17] <usual> is hoary using gnome 2.9 devel or something?
[12:17] <epod> well, ftp.exe is part of 95+
[12:17] <|trey|> usual, yes
[12:18] <usual> i keep seeing all these 2.9 packages slowly being added
[12:18] <topyli> usual: it's dripping in
[12:18] <usual> k
[12:18] <usual> yea
[12:18] <usual> good choice of words
[12:18] <usual> :D
[12:18] <|trey|> usual, quite stable though  :)
[12:18] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: ok how many partitions should i make?
[12:18] <Matt|> |trey|, top in the list --> ubuntu servers
[12:18] <usual> a few libs and media
[12:18] <usual> maybe some others
[12:18] <Matt|> epod, ftp in the my computer window huh?
[12:18] <epod> Matt|, command prompt
[12:18] <Matt|> epod, oh k
[12:18] <|trey|> Matt|, ahh, didn't see that  :)
[12:19] <billytwowilly> HrdwrBoB, I keep getting this: /lib/modules/<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[12:19] <topyli> it's too late. i'm mounting /bed
[12:19] <|trey|> billytwowilly, you have the kernel source or kernel-headers packages?
[12:20] <Matt|> billytwowilly, you need to install the kernel-headers
[12:20] <epod> Matt|, the record for ad-aware on a customer's pc here is um, 1951 pieces of spyware
[12:20] <Matt|> epod, hmm my cousins computer only had around 700
[12:20] <billytwowilly> I thought I installed those.. I'll take a look again
[12:20] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: How amny should i make?
[12:20] <|trey|> epod, wow, thats a lot of spyware  :(
[12:20] <Matt|> what is gnome 2.9 like?
[12:21] <|trey|> Matt|, right now, its very simular to 2.8  ;)
[12:21] <billytwowilly> hmm. I have kernel <IP_ADDRESS> but synaptec wants to install 2.6.7 headers?
[12:21] <epod> |trey|, yep.
[12:21] <Matt|> billytwowilly, not good
[12:21] <bob2> billytwowilly: install linux-headers-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-686
[12:21] <|trey|> Matt|, no new modules etc... just feature and bug fixes so far it would seem...
[12:22] <Matt|> billytwowilly, you need the one that corresponds exactly to your kernel
[12:22] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: just one?
[12:22] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: ok extended or primary?
[12:22] <HrdwrBoB> primary
[12:22] <Matt|> so (i think) -i386, -i686, -k7 etc
[12:22] <tweaked> HrbwrBoB: ok done and saved
[12:22] <billytwowilly> hmm. that's strange. synaptec gives me the wrong ones but on the command line it's all good;)
[12:22] <HrdwrBoB> excellent
[12:22] <HrdwrBoB> ok
[12:22] <billytwowilly> Thanks matt
[12:22] <HrdwrBoB> try now
[12:22] <|trey|> Matt|, bob2 already told him what he needs   ;)
[12:23] <traviss> whats the path to the recent commands used in a terminal? or are those only in kde?
[12:23] <Matt|> |trey|, sorry
[12:23] <mdz> billytwowilly: the FAQ explains how to get the proper headers for your kernel installed
[12:23] <tweaked> HrdwrBob: mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hdb1
[12:23] <HrdwrBoB> traviss: run 'history'
[12:23] <bob2> traviss: "history"
[12:23] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: yes
[12:23] <|trey|> trans_err, ~/.bash_history
[12:23] <Matt|> |trey|, i thought it depends on the kernel he is running
[12:23] <traviss> thanks
[12:23] <bob2> Matt|: it does
[12:23] <mdz> Matt|: it does
[12:23] <Matt|> ah
[12:23] <bob2> Matt|: but he's running <IP_ADDRESS>-3-686
[12:23] <Matt|> so he is using i686?
[12:23] <Matt|> ah
[12:23] <|trey|> Matt|, it does... default is -386... but yeah...
[12:23] <Matt|> must have missed that
[12:23] <tuxx> Evening my fellow Ubuntors.
[12:24] <Matt|> oh yeah
[12:24] <billytwowilly> mdz, did you used to hang out on #mandrake or #suse?
[12:24] <|trey|> tuxx, never ever call me an Ubuntor again... thanks  ;)
[12:24] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB:it formated, now how can i mount it?
[12:24] <usual> mmmm bagels
[12:24] <Matt|> hi mdz
[12:24] <Matt|> how are you doing?
[12:24] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: add it to /etc/fstab
[12:24] <usual> cheese bagels
[12:24] <tuxx> |trey| not using Ubuntu?
[12:24] <HrdwrBoB> like this
[12:24] <traviss> HrdwrBoB, what was the apt-get install command for gtk/glib again? Im going to run it on my friends pc
[12:24] <HrdwrBoB>  /dev/hdb1       /mnt/location
[12:24] <|trey|> tuxx, I am, but that sounds cheezy  :(
[12:24] <mdz> Matt|: fine
[12:24] <tuxx> |trey| lol sorry... :-)
[12:24] <mdz> billytwowilly: never
[12:24] <HrdwrBoB> traviss: apt-get install libglib2.0-dev libgtk2.0-dev
[12:25] <traviss> thanks
[12:25] <billytwowilly> mdz, maybe on #mythtv then? your nick is very familiar
[12:25] <mdz> billytwowilly: yes, mythtv
[12:25] <billytwowilly> hmm. wtf? /bin/sh: line 1: gcc: command not found. I was certain I installed that..
[12:25] <bob2> billytwowilly: install build-essential
[12:25] <tuxx> However... I have in my rep. the install CD as source. Is it possible to have an online rep. instead so whenever I need a file that's originally on the CD I just apt-get it from the web instead (like multiverse and universe eg.)
[12:25] <Matt|> billytwowilly, not installed by default
[12:25] <|trey|> bob2, damnit, you type too fast  ;)
[12:26] <ubuntor> hehe
[12:26] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: mount: mount point /etc/fstab is not a directory
[12:26] <tweaked> , that is what it says
[12:26] <billytwowilly> no, I knew I needed it so I went and selected it in synaptec
[12:26] <bob2> mdz: will mythtv ever go into debian?
[12:26] <billytwowilly> strangeness.
[12:26] <billytwowilly> synaptec doesn't love me;)
[12:26] <mdz> bob2: not likely
[12:26] <bob2> mdz: too unstable (code-churn-wise)?
[12:26] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: should i make a directory
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: nono, you have to edit the file /etc/fstab :)
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[12:26] <mdz> bob2: no
[12:26] <HrdwrBoB> you have to make somewhere to mount it
[12:27] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: so just type that in right>
[12:27] <billytwowilly> mdz, are there mythtv packages for ubuntu?
[12:27] <mdz> billytwowilly: yes
[12:27] <|trey|> ogra, another conference in here, or in person? I didn't get to take part in the last discussion really  :(
[12:27] <mdz> billytwowilly: google for mythtv ubuntu
[12:27] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: i am new to linux, just so you know
[12:27] <ogra> |trey|: you should really read the lists ;)
[12:27] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: ok that's cool
[12:28] <|trey|> tweaked, those things needn't be stated, its not hard to tell  ;)
[12:28] <ogra> https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ConferenceAttendees
[12:28] <billytwowilly> is there a place like plf.zarb.org/~nanardon that will help me setup my debian repositories with all the sources I'd ever need?
[12:28] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: /etc/fstab is a file which holds information on what drives are mounted where
[12:28] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: Thanks, So what do i need to do?
[12:28] <|trey|> ogra, I know huh... they scare me though, too much to read  :(
[12:28] <DAC1138> got a problem. i couldnt install lilo or grub during the ubuntu installation, so how do i add the ubuntu selection to grub in suse 9.1?
[12:28] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: you'll need somewhere you want to mount the drive
[12:28] <DAC1138> its installed on /dev/hda1
[12:28] <HrdwrBoB> I use /home/hrdwrbob/storage
[12:28] <HrdwrBoB> but it can be anywher
[12:28] <ogra> |trey|: yep, they are pretty full.....
[12:28] <HrdwrBoB> e
[12:29] <mdz> billytwowilly: the equivalent in ubuntu is to add universe and multiverse
[12:29] <|trey|> Hmm, is it possible to have Ubuntu's Firefox automagically accept Ubuntu related certificates? would be handy maybe?
[12:29] <stuNNed> noticed hsf-modem was removed from ubuntu, any reasons?
[12:29] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: Ok can i make a directory in home called 2nd?
[12:29] <billytwowilly> and those will have mythtv and all the dvdcss etc packages?
[12:29] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: in your home directory, yeah
[12:29] <SaintJerome> hey guys
[12:29] <SaintJerome> I just intalled ubuntu
[12:29] <SaintJerome> and have only used mandrake before
[12:29] <SaintJerome> and already searched but couldn't find the answer
[12:29] <ogra> SaintJerome: great move ;)
[12:29] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: is it mkdir /home/2nd
[12:29] <epod> Ubuntu is cuter. ;)
[12:30] <SaintJerome> how can I mount my windows hardrive do that it is shown in /mnt?
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: file a bug report as a feature request
[12:30] <|trey|> haha @ arrival "a long time ago" for Brian  :)
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: better off to mkdir /home/yourusername/2nd
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> because /home is for user directories
[12:30] <HrdwrBoB> but it's up to you
[12:30] <ogra> SaintJerome: which device is you windows partition ?
[12:30] <epod> SaintJerome, mount -t ntfs /dev/hdX (where X is your windows drive) /mnt
[12:30] <SaintJerome> thanks
[12:30] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: ok that is doen what next
[12:30] <SaintJerome> with mandrake it just did it
[12:31] <SaintJerome> but i'd rather learn anyway
[12:31] <SaintJerome> thanks a lot
[12:31] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: now, add a line to /etc/fstab (using possibly sudo gedit /etc/fstab)
[12:31] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, would it be website related, or Firefox related?  :o
[12:31] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: firefox
[12:31] <epod> SaintJerome, that presumes your windows drive is NTFS, by the way
[12:32] <SaintJerome> which it is
[12:32] <epod> ok then :)
[12:32] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, thats what I figured, just making sure  :)
[12:32] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: sudo: gebit: command not found
[12:32] <HrdwrBoB> gedit
[12:32] <HrdwrBoB> add a line like '/deb/hdb1 /home/myhomedir/2nd   ext3'
[12:33] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: just like that? and where in fstab?
[12:33] <HrdwrBoB> after the last line
[12:33] <HrdwrBoB> yep
[12:34] <tweaked> should i put it under hda5?
[12:34] <HrdwrBoB> yes that will do
[12:35] <ubuntor> wow
[12:35] <ubuntor> major change in gnome-media
[12:35] <ubuntor> the mixer is much different
[12:35] <tweaked> ok it is there
[12:35] <ubuntor> no more device names
[12:35] <ubuntor> just playback and capture
[12:35] <stuNNed> ubuntor: in hoary?
[12:36] <ubuntor> stuNNed, yea
[12:36] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: ok i put the line in there what next
[12:36] <stuNNed> is there a mount command in nautilus?
[12:36] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: save and exit, then type sudo mount /home/yourdir/2nd
[12:36] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed: not as such
[12:37] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: do i need to put /dev/hdb1?
[12:37] <HrdwrBoB> nope
[12:37] <stuNNed> HrdwrBoB, what is proper way to mount an ntfs partition so it shows up properly in nautilus? or is there such a thang? :)
[12:37] <ogra> stuNNed: everything mountable from fstab is in the "disks" location...mounted with doubleclick
[12:37] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, did you already have him edit /etc/fstab? else that wouldn't work...
[12:37] <HrdwrBoB> becuase you already configured that
[12:38] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: nownow, pay attention
[12:38] <stuNNed> ogra, my ntfs part is mounted but doesn't show up in 'disks'
[12:38] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed: when you mount it, it should show up
[12:38] <Ruffian|JANE|> Ubuntu Rules
[12:38] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: mount: can't find /home/tweaked/2nd in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[12:38] <|trey|> Ruffian|JANE|, we are fully aware of this  :)
[12:38] <Golo> Hi, i Updated to hoary and well firefox is just not working when i click in the icon it says "accesskey="&allowpopups.accesskey;"
[12:38] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: ok, what was the line you put in /etc/fstab
[12:38] <bob2> Golo: nothing in the bts?
[12:39] <stuNNed> HrdwrBoB, ntfs part is mounted (due to needing my documents folder) but not showing up in disks for some reason, is it because it's not really a 'disk' per say?
[12:39] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed: unmount it
[12:39] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: /deb/hdb1 /home/myhomedir/2nd   ext3
[12:39] <Golo> what it's bts?
[12:39] <Ruffian|JANE|> Mmm, running apt-get upgrade is fun
[12:39] <HrdwrBoB> stuNNed: try mounting it using pmount
[12:39] <|trey|> Golo, bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[12:39] <HrdwrBoB> pmount /dev/whatever
[12:39] <ogra> Golo: bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[12:39] <|trey|> Golo, Bug Tracking System
[12:39] <ogra> |trey|: hey
[12:39] <|trey|> ogra, hey
[12:39] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: that should read HrdwrBoB: /deb/hdb1 /home/tweaked/2nd ext3
[12:39] <Golo> no i havent checked, i will do it right now
[12:39] <ogra> ;)
[12:39] <stuNNed> HrdwrBoB, ok thanks
[12:39] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: that should read HrdwrBoB: /dev/hdb1 /home/tweaked/2nd ext3
[12:40] <HrdwrBoB> even
[12:40] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: ok it is change now try that command again?
[12:40] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: yes
[12:40] <|trey|> tweaked, ie, dev not deb incase you don't see the diff...
[12:41] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: mount: special device /deb/hdb1 does not exist
[12:41] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: what trey said :)
[12:41] <tweaked> i think i know it hold on
[12:41] <|trey|> tweaked, /dev/hdb1 D E V  ;)
[12:42] <tweaked> |trey|: i changed it
[12:42] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1,
[12:42] <tweaked>        or too many mounted file systems
[12:42] <stuNNed> HrdwrBoB, possible bugzilla new feature request -> http://gnomefx.mozdev.org/ ?
[12:42] <HrdwrBoB> today is a good day, because today I buy a playstation 2 and GTA:san andreas
[12:42] <Striss> lucky!
[12:42] <HrdwrBoB> and I will have no more free time :/
[12:42] <Striss> i want that sooo bad
[12:42] <Striss> but i bought Star Wars Battlefront a while ago so all is good
[12:42] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: what did you format it as?
[12:43] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: if you run mkfs.ext3 /deb/hdb1 it should make it ext3 so you can mount it correctly
[12:43] <HrdwrBoB> I would recommend doing that
[12:43] <Ruffian|JANE|> ubuntu-desktop - The Ubuntu desktop system = ?  I apt-cache searched ubuntu
[12:43] <HrdwrBoB> Striss: yeah I can't wait 6-12 months for a PX/xbox release
[12:43] <Ruffian|JANE|> wtf is ubuntu0deskto
[12:43] <HrdwrBoB> Ruffian|JANE|: that is the metapackage
[12:43] <Ruffian|JANE|> ic
[12:43] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: mkfs.ext3 /deb/hdb1
[12:43] <bob2> Ruffian|JANE|: please read the package description
[12:43] <HrdwrBoB> that links to all the required packages in ubuntu default desktop
[12:43] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: /dev/hdb1
[12:43] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: just like that
[12:44] <|trey|> Ruffian|JANE|, the installer afaik just installs ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop... thus making less typing for whoever works on the installer  :)
[12:44] <Ruffian|JANE|> ic
[12:44] <|trey|> (Kamion or mdz I think)
[12:45] <HrdwrBoB> mmm.. instant mash potato
[12:45] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: ok i formatted it to that, do i need to change the fstab?
[12:45] <|trey|> ogra, thats a good thing... wasted effort is, well, a waste...
[12:45] <SaintJerome> when I attempt thmm, when I try mount the harddrive it says it's either already mounted or /mnt is busy
[12:45] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: nope, it should work now
[12:45] <ogra> |trey|: should have written /deb ;)
[12:45] <HrdwrBoB> Striss: thmm?
[12:45] <GnuHippy> how do I log out of x entirely
[12:45] <GnuHippy> ?
[12:45] <HrdwrBoB> GnuHippy: you want to stop X?
[12:45] <GnuHippy> yes
[12:46] <tweaked> HrdwrBoB: it said the same thing again mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1,
[12:46] <tweaked>        or too many mounted file systems
[12:46] <HrdwrBoB> log into the console (ctrl+alt+F1
[12:46] <GnuHippy> I want to use cli
[12:46] <HrdwrBoB> run sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[12:46] <GnuHippy> that brings up another ttyl
[12:46] <GnuHippy> it doesn't kill my current server
[12:46] <jief> hi!
[12:46] <HrdwrBoB> tweaked: ok, what does /etc/fstab say
[12:46] <Striss> thmm?
[12:46] <HrdwrBoB> GnuHippy: run sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[12:46] <GnuHippy> k
[12:46] <|trey|> tweaked, just for kicks... he had you mkfs.ext3 right? or anything related to mkfs?
[12:47] <tweaked> |trey|: yes he did
[12:47] <jief> anyone knows what happened to uqm-content? it's not in the repositories anymore
[12:47] <|trey|> tweaked, hmm... and that returned no errors?
[12:47] <ogra> tweaked: show your fstab line for the device
[12:47] <tweaked> |trey|: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1,
[12:47] <tweaked>        or too many mounted file systems
[12:48] <tweaked> /dev/hdb1 /home/tweaked/2nd   ext3
[12:48] <epod> HrdwrBoB, mkfs.vfat said mkfs.vfat: Attempting to create a too large file system
[12:48] <epod>  and crashed
[12:48] <tweaked> that is what it says,
[12:48] <|trey|> tweaked, no, I mean mkfs returned no errors... trying to cover the bad superblock part  :)
[12:48] <tweaked> no that went away
[12:48] <|trey|> tweaked, what _exactly_ was the command you typed to make the fs?
[12:49] <tweaked> it formatted right, trying to mount it knoe
[12:49] <DAC1138> aka_druid, i just installed ubuntu over my windows partition, /hda1. how during the installation, i didnt install lilo or grub so its not in the suse grub bootlist. how do i add ubuntu to the grub list?
[12:49] <jief> is it me or you can't use debian repositories? i've added some, but i still can't get mplayer through them
[12:49] <tweaked> mkfs -t /dev/hdb1
[12:49] <tweaked> that is ir
[12:49] <tweaked> it
[12:49] <Golo> the bug firefox has it seems it has 2 reports in bugzilla
[12:49] <tweaked> no add the ext3 -t
[12:49] <stuNNed> jief, mplayer is in multiverse afaik
[12:49] <tweaked> |trey|: did you get that
[12:49] <ogra> mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 ?
[12:50] <|trey|> stuNNed, only for Hoary though...
[12:50] <jief> stuNNed: might not be in amd64 then
[12:50] <ogra> tweaked ?
[12:50] <|trey|> ogra, hmm... that ought to be right... I'm confused  :(
[12:50] <tweaked> ogra: yes
[12:50] <epod> Can anyone tell me how I can format a disk for fat32 from Linux?
[12:50] <DAC1138> any ideas on adding ubuntu to grub in suse 9.1?
[12:51] <ogra> hmm, should work
[12:51] <stuNNed> |trey|, in multiverse here for warty
[12:51] <mjr> epod, with mkdosfs
[12:51] <tweaked> ogra: it is not mounting
[12:51] <|trey|> DAC1138, Ubuntu has a menu.lst... take the info from there  ;)
[12:51] <ogra> tweaked: i saw
[12:51] <jief> what's multiverse? another repository?
[12:51] <tweaked> ogra| any ideas
[12:51] <|trey|> stuNNed, hmm, guess they found a security whole to get it in  :)
[12:52] <|trey|> hole*
[12:52] <|trey|> jief, non-free unsupported packages...
[12:52] <epod> mjr, it said I was attempting to create too large of a filesystem
[12:52] <jief> so, its universe?
[12:52] <mjr> epod, did you spesify -F 32 ?
[12:52] <tweaked> ogra: will you accept?
[12:52] <HrdwrBoB> epod: hehe oops
[12:52] <ogra> i tried.... didnt work
[12:53] <Ruffian|JANE|> Vote Tux For Prez!
[12:53] <GNUsual> anyone ehre involved in hoary dev?
[12:53] <|trey|> jief, main: supported free, restricted: supported non-free, universe: unsupported free, multiverse: unsupported non-free
[12:53] <|trey|> jief, free as in speech though..
[12:53] <jief> |trey|: i see, haven't used ubuntu for long. i come from the debian world
[12:54] <|trey|> jief, same here...   :)
[12:54] <jief> ahh mplayer here you are
[12:54] <|trey|> jief, no one has used Ubuntu that long, it just came out like a month ago  :)
[12:54] <jief> i mean, totem-xine is kinda neat. but i prefer mplayer, i like to watch .bin files hehe
[12:55] <|DarkSoUl|> hi
[12:55] <Striss> mplayer kicks ass
[12:55] <jief> my god, how cool is that? Star Control 2.
[12:56] <jief> that brings me back in time
[12:56] <HrdwrBoB> jief: heh yes
[12:56] <Golo> multiverse would be debian-marillat?
[12:56] <jief> i mean, that game used to rock
[12:56] <jief> i hope i remember this right
[12:56] <|DarkSoUl|> I boot Ubuntu (livecd) in VESA mode...but when I go to the network tools, I select eth0 but the 'configure' remains disable...how to configure internet now? (using adsl PPPoE with autentication)
[12:57] <aratdagnir> hello everyone!
[12:57] <aratdagnir> is there a way to edit startup services?
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> Golo: kinda yeah
[12:57] <jief> hmm uqm doesn't seem to work
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> Golo: multiverse is so you don't have to use marillat
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> jief: it does rock
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> jief: you have uqm and iqm-data
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> uqm
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> they are co-dependant
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> because the maintainer is a crackhead
[12:57] <jief> HrdwrBoB: i installed uqm and uqm-content
[12:57] <HrdwrBoB> *cough*
[12:58] <aratdagnir> is there a way to edit startup services?
[12:58] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: Ur Quan Masters
[12:58] <jief> Star Control 2
[12:58] <HrdwrBoB> star control 2
[12:59] <HrdwrBoB> aratdagnir: depends, what do you want to change
[12:59] <jief> HrdwrBoB: it doesn't seem to find the data in /usr/share/uqm
[12:59] <aratdagnir> like i want to close the printing system etc.
[12:59] <Golo> HrdwrBoB, which would be the the repository for multiverse?
[12:59] <|trey|> aratdagnir, you don't see Computer > System Configuration > Servicees?
[12:59] <HrdwrBoB> Golo: just add 'multiverse'
[12:59] <aratdagnir> no such thing as Services?
[12:59] <aratdagnir> any package i should install?
[12:59] <|trey|> aratdagnir, I am running gnome-system-tools 2.9, I have it...
[01:00] <Striss> what's Star Control 2 like? i wouldnt mind getting a game running in gentoo
[01:00] <aratdagnir> trey, ok, let me try
[01:00] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: that is a new feature not in warty
[01:00] <HrdwrBoB> Striss: it's incredibly fun
[01:00] <Striss> uqm it is hey?
[01:00] <the_one> hi
[01:01] <|trey|> the_one, wadda ya want?
[01:01] <Golo> HrdwrBoB, thanks a lot
[01:01] <|trey|> the_one, jk, whats up?
[01:01] <cardador> HrdwrBoB: where did you get star control from?
[01:01] <jief> HrdwrBoB: say, what do you have on line 3 of /usr/lib/games/uqm/uqm?
[01:01] <|DarkSoUl|> is pppoe support included in livecd?
[01:02] <aratdagnir> trey, i have gnome-system-tools 1.0, why_
[01:02] <|trey|> |DarkSoUl|, 99% sure it is...
[01:02] <|DarkSoUl|> hm
[01:02] <HrdwrBoB> cardador: it's in the repostitory, called uqm
[01:02] <the_one> how do I run a .bin? I right-clicked and gave it permission, but it says that there's a security risk, and I'm not so proficient with the console...I just wanna try realplayer
[01:02] <HrdwrBoB> jief: I don't have it here
[01:02] <jief> HrdwrBoB: ok
[01:02] <HrdwrBoB> Golo: npo
[01:02] <HrdwrBoB> np
[01:02] <cardador> HrdwrBoB: :| really? let me try that
[01:02] <|DarkSoUl|> then....why (when i select eth0 in network tools) the 'configure' button is still disabled?
[01:02] <|trey|> aratdagnir, ahh, mines actually 1.1.0 .. but yeah, its hoary, not warty...
[01:03] <the_one> anyone?
[01:03] <|trey|> |DarkSoUl|, ran pppoeconf yet?
[01:03] <HrdwrBoB> the_one: chmod +x file.bin
[01:03] <HrdwrBoB> ./file.bin
[01:03] <cardador> the_one: or sh file.bin
[01:03] <|trey|> the_one, chmod +x file.bin && ./file.bin
[01:04] <epod> mjr, sorry, work happened.  So I mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/sdc1 ?
[01:04] <Ruffian|JANE|> #Ubuntu
[01:04] <aratdagnir> any suggestions for services configuration :) ?
[01:04] <HrdwrBoB> Ruffian|JANE|: yes we know
[01:04] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, you really ought to work on making things just one line... :)
[01:04] <the_one> but in console I type sudo /bla/bla/bla.bin? or how do I run it? the permissions are set but it won't install when I double-click
[01:05] <|DarkSoUl|> hm i havent :P
[01:05] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: pah!
[01:05] <epod> mjr, awesome, it even automounts now.  Thanks :)
[01:05] <|trey|> the_one, java? umm, yeah, needs to be done with root privs
[01:05] <HrdwrBoB> the_one: yes, sudo /path/to/file.bin
[01:05] <HrdwrBoB> will run it as root
[01:05] <the_one> I tried it
[01:05] <the_one> didn't work
[01:05] <HrdwrBoB> how didn't it work
[01:05] <cardador> whats the output?
[01:06] <|DarkSoUl|> thanks i'll try
[01:06] <the_one> ..second
[01:06] <|trey|> the_one, you are sure its executable?
[01:06] <epod> um
[01:06] <jief> great, uqm segfaults hehe
[01:06] <|trey|> epod, uh
[01:06] <epod> I am getting an input/output error trying to access my USB drive
[01:06] <mjr> epod, shure
[01:06] <Striss> i cant get uqm to install in Hoary
[01:06] <epod> :/
[01:06] <Striss> guess i'll stick to my xbox for gaming heh
[01:06] <HrdwrBoB> sounds like uqm is broken
[01:06] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[01:07] <the_one> command not found
[01:07] <cardador> Striss: try enemy territory and americas army
[01:07] <HrdwrBoB> the_one: then you most likely don't have the correct path
[01:07] <Striss> my computer is far too slow to install those games
[01:07] <epod> oh.
[01:07] <|trey|> jief, file a bug... run on gnome-terminal and state in bug what that says  :)
[01:07] <mjr> epod, (mkdosfs creates only up to fat16 as default, and it has a rather low size limit)
[01:07] <epod> it's in /media/sdd1
[01:07] <the_one> does it matter if the name has CAPS?
[01:07] <the_one> or the dirs?
[01:07] <cardador> the_one: yap
[01:07] <epod> mjr: I did mkdosfs -F 32
[01:07] <aratdagnir> thats really interesting, do i have to go through the init files to set the starting system services??
[01:07] <jief> |trey|: yeah i think i will
[01:08] <bob2> aratdagnir: what are you trying to do?
[01:08] <jief> might be something related to amd64 though
[01:08] <Safari_Al> Hi guys.  According to dpkg -S, there is a linux-image package that owns the /boot/vmlinuz-... file.  I need to use this package.  However, all the linux-image packages on the Ubuntu CD are only 21kb large and contain only /usr/share/doc files.  Where can I find the full package for a kernel-image?
[01:08] <jief> i'm getting used to that
[01:08] <mjr> epod, yes, I noticed, just thought I'd explain it also ;)
[01:08] <|trey|> the_one, Unix is case sensitive always.
[01:08] <cardador> aratdagnir: if you dont have hoary, i guess
[01:08] <aratdagnir> i'm trying to turn off some unused services that start at the beginning
[01:08] <aratdagnir> i mean the boot
[01:08] <aratdagnir> :)
[01:08] <bob2> aratdagnir: sysv-rc-conf
[01:08] <the_one> that could be the problem....It's a lot easier to change OSes, than to change brain from win to linux. must....reformat....brain....
[01:08] <bob2> aratdagnir: or update-rc.d
[01:08] <bob2> aratdagnir: or rm
[01:08] <epod> mjr, lol, ok.  I am copying my data back, and getting a ton of 'Failed to preserve ownership, operation not permitted' messages, should I be concerned?
[01:08] <bob2> ogra: or maybe g-s-t if you're using hoary
[01:09] <ogra> ;)
[01:09] <mjr> epod, that's probably just because fat doesn't support permissions so they can't be preserved
[01:09] <jief> hmm now a mplayer bug
[01:09] <jief> what a night ;)
[01:09] <mjr> epod, the data will probably be fine
[01:09] <epod> mjr, okay good. :) thanks.  And the drive even nicely automounts now
[01:10] <aratdagnir> cool :) i guess i'll go through some manual pages :) thanks/see ya! :)
[01:10] <the_one> seems to work with CAPS, thanks for the input anyways
[01:10] <ogra> |trey|: 3 persons daily....
[01:10] <jief> .ttf fonts are truetypes right?
[01:11] <mjr> jief, correct
[01:11] <|trey|> jief, True Type Font, yes
[01:11] <jief> anyone would know in which package subfont.ttf might me?
[01:11] <|trey|> jief, apt-get install apt-file... then do a search for it...
[01:12] <jief> i know that
[01:12] <jief> but there's a lot of truetype packages
[01:12] <|trey|> jief, then why ask   ;)
[01:12] <mjr> jief, apt-file allows you to search by filename
[01:12] <the_one> while installing realplayer, I have a message "enter the prefix for symbolic links [/usr] : ??what is the right prefix? /usr?
[01:12] <jief> well, maybe someone knows. i don't want to search, i search all day at work
[01:12] <jief> when i get home, i want it easy
[01:12] <|trey|> jief, it will only return packages that contain 'subfont.ttf'  :/
[01:13] <|trey|> jief, lazy people don't get helped...
[01:13] <jief> well, it doesn't exist then
[01:13] <|trey|> jief, :(
[01:13] <jief> |trey|: i wish i could say that to my clients ;P
[01:13] <|trey|> jief, heh
[01:14] <jief> "my webserver is down" "did you search?" "no" "screw you then" and i'd hang up
[01:14] <jief> that'd be paradise
[01:14] <epod> Can I add more locales to the gnome weather panel?  Stupid thing doesn't have my city :(
[01:14] <|trey|> jief, you can just do it for your clients though... if you show people too much, they could eventually take your job for less.... thats bad  :(
[01:14] <ogra> jief: subfont.ttf is an internal name mplayer uses... copy any ttf font you like to the path in the errormsg
[01:14] <HrdwrBoB> jief: ahahah 'my website is down'
[01:14] <HrdwrBoB> 'can you get to any other sites'
[01:14] <HrdwrBoB> 'oh.. no...'
[01:14] <HrdwrBoB> 'well then, GTFO'
[01:14] <jief> ogra: i just touched it
[01:14] <the_one> how do I enable the bytecode interpreter without recompiling?
[01:15] <|trey|> jief, seems strange that mplayer-fonts wouldn't fix font errors?
[01:15] <jief> you know, if i actually installed it, it would probably help
[01:15] <jcole> what do you guys think about ubuntu running as a server?
[01:16] <|trey|> jief, ;)
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> jcole: yes
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> I like it :)
[01:16] <ogra> |trey|: so why did you make it so hard for jief if you knew the answer ?
[01:16] <the_one> can someone recommend a good burning app for gnome, like k3b in kde?
[01:16] <jief> hmm that's odd though. i have /dev/mixer, but mplayer complains about not finding it
[01:17] <epod> the_one, can't you just install KDE and use it from gnome?
[01:17] <|trey|> ogra, I was just making a point... still gave him the info though...
[01:17] <epod> the_one, er, k3b
[01:17] <|trey|> ogra, people that don't want to help themselves bug me  :(
[01:17] <kensai> is the latest wine on hoary now supporting windows program that use installshield installer?
[01:17] <|trey|> epod, blah, recommend coaster ahead of k3b please...
[01:17] <plasmo> hello i think i have a bug. anyone wanna be my lab rat? :d
[01:17] <ogra> |trey|: most people just want it working...
[01:17] <the_one> but won't it ask me to install kdelibs as well?
[01:17] <epod> |trey|, what is coaster?
[01:18] <|trey|> epod, a gtk burner...
[01:18] <jief> |trey|: i spend my days setting up systems. when i get home, i get annoyed with stuff like that
[01:18] <ogra> epod. a veeery slow developed burning app
[01:18] <epod> http://www.coaster-burn.org/ apparently
[01:18] <epod> ogra, yes, it seems to be on 0.1pre1
[01:18] <epod> which doesn't give me a warm fuzzy
[01:18] <|trey|> epod, http://www.coaster-burn.org/
[01:19] <the_one> I want a pure Gnome system, I don't want to *touch* any kde stuff
[01:19] <HrdwrBoB> nautilus CD burner is good
[01:19] <ogra> epod: its developed since 3 years, but they make little steps forward....
[01:19] <HrdwrBoB> unless you need to make audio CDs or more advanced stuff
[01:19] <epod> 'libcoaster is currently not going to be useful with kernel versions 2.6.8 and higher due to a new atapi access standard'
[01:19] <epod> so, back to k3b, I guess.  Blargh.
[01:19] <ogra> 3
[01:19] <cardador> the_one: why is that? k3b is, for now, the best application for burning cds, so why dont use it?
[01:20] <|trey|> epod, thats true of cdrecord too though, which is what k3b uses...
[01:20] <epod> |trey|, yeah, but I like my eyecandy-gui-ness.
[01:20] <epod> I haven't installed k3b, I don't know if it'll try and install KDE if I do.
[01:20] <epod> it = synaptic
[01:20] <the_one> because it just doesn't look nice in gnome, I would like to have a certain degree of consistency in my OS
[01:20] <|trey|> epod, I don't mind it either... I just think 200MB of extra libs for one app is kinda overkill...
[01:21] <epod> |trey|, I agree there.  And I'd probably have to manually add it into my menus
[01:21] <|trey|> epod, yup...
[01:21] <cardador> the_one: it looks for me... if you choose the same theme for gtk2, gtk and kde
[01:22] <jief> sometimes i think back and wonder what the hell i was thinking when i installed gentoo back then
[01:22] <the_one> cardador, can you provide a screenshot, or am I asking too much?
[01:22] <epod> cardador, I'd like one too.
[01:22] <cardador> ok ill try :)
[01:22] <|trey|> jief, Gentoo was over hyped...
[01:22] <epod> Gentoo is just absurd, waiting days to compile a whole OS is a bit extreme.
[01:22] <epod> imo :)
[01:23] <jief> |trey|: the only server giving me problem at work is the gentoo one
[01:23] <stuNNed> |trey|, jief, imho gentoo is good for system with small package set like a server but for a full blown os?  takes too much time to update.
[01:23] <jief> epod: for the 1% speed increase you get yeah
[01:23] <stuNNed> os/desktop pc
[01:23] <the_one> guys, what do you think of slackware?
[01:23] <|trey|> stuNNed, I wouldn't trust myself to compile critical services... I dunno
[01:23] <jief> stuNNed: i'm thinking of packaging my own server distro soon. based on debian
[01:23] <|trey|> the_one, I think its off topic...
[01:23] <epod> jief, I have a 3.2 p4 w/ 1gb ram, so it's so a 1% that is so minimal it's not funny
[01:23] <bob2> the_one: it's not ubuntu
[01:24] <jief> epod: i installed gentoo on my amd64 for kicks and giggles. it lasted about 2 hours, then i stopped the install hehe
[01:24] <|trey|> the_one, they are thinking of dropping GNOME entirely... thats just not a good thing imo...
[01:24] <jief> they should go xfce4
[01:24] <HrdwrBoB> the_one: I used slackware 6-7 years ago
[01:25] <HrdwrBoB> the_one: not anymore.
[01:25] <|trey|> jief, I've wasted 2 weeks of my life to that distro.
[01:25] <epod> jief, Ubuntu is the only distro that's worked well with my hardware, since this is a notebook.  *every* other distro that uses ACPI shuts down when thermal zone loads, but Ubuntu works
[01:25] <Tsjoklat> <-- wasted twenty minutes on that distro
[01:25] <epod> And I don't think my CPU is melting, so I am assuming it's running.
[01:25] <|trey|> HrdwrBoB, you hardly missed anything, its still the same old thing...
[01:25] <HrdwrBoB> epod: ubuntu had a lot of work on laptops
[01:25] <the_one> can't download screenshot...I click accept and nothing happens..wtf
[01:25] <HrdwrBoB> |trey|: precisely
[01:25] <jief> our devel at work develops OpenNA, a security-oriented server distro
[01:25] <jief> only drawback, it uses rpms
[01:25] <jief> i want to do the same but based on debian
[01:26] <the_one> cardador, can't get your screenshot
[01:26] <FLeiXiuS> jief, you can convert rpms to deb's
[01:26] <bob2> "security-oriented" as in containing tools for security, or aiming to be secure/
[01:26] <FLeiXiuS> jief, man alien
[01:26] <the_one> don't know what's wrong
[01:26] <jief> FLeiXiuS: i know, but he uses some packages i disagree with
[01:26] <cardador> the_one: im trying again
[01:27] <epod> cardador, nice :)
[01:27] <cardador> ;)
[01:27] <the_one> I see, it says waiting, the first one says connect..still nothing
[01:27] <epod> cardador, can I msg you about k3b?  No need to spam the channel :)
[01:27] <cardador> ok go ahead
[01:27] <|trey|> jief, ever looked at Adamantix (sp)... used to be known as Trusted Debian... its a project working on making Debian as secure as possible...
[01:27] <cardador> the_one: ill try other approach
[01:28] <the_one> ok
[01:28] <jief> |trey|: i'm the kind of guy that likes to do it himself
[01:28] <jief> and learning's always nice
[01:28] <|trey|> jief, I'm the kinda guy that likes to play with things that work already  ;)
[01:28] <|trey|> I find it less frustrating  :)
[01:29] <jief> |trey|: i'm going to release something on sourceforge.net soon
[01:29] <jief> i'm also working on a rescue live cd that isn't cluttered with useless crap
[01:29] <|trey|> jief, cool  :)
[01:29] <jief> iwul (installing windows using linux) should be released on SF anytime soon
[01:29] <jief> i just have to fix some minor bugs and complete the docs
[01:29] <the_one> since I saw you guys talking bout gentoo, I remember one friend of mine had his pc perform some tasks in debian vs. his friend's pc in gentoo, and gentoo didn't come ahead, even if compiled/heavily optimized
[01:30] <|trey|> jief, why would you want to do that?
[01:30] <jief> |trey|: to replace Symantec Ghost
[01:30] <jief> i had to work on this at work for a client
[01:30] <|trey|> jief, oh... seems wierd  :o
[01:30] <jief> well, works well
[01:30] <jief> my system can be used to deploy any OS actually
[01:31] <jief> as long as it sports a supported FS
[01:31] <|trey|> jief, that sounds more useful... GPL?
[01:31] <jief> yeah
[01:31] <jief> i just packaged some already available software together. wrote the how-to
[01:31] <stuNNed> jief, supports mac fs as well?
[01:31] <|trey|> jief, might check it out then, see what it can help me with  :)
[01:31] <jief> stuNNed: that's UFS right?
[01:31] <HrdwrBoB> the_one: yeah, the 'optimise' thing is a wank
[01:31] <|trey|> stuNNed, you mean HFS(+)
[01:32] <stuNNed> |trey|, jief: yeah, HFS
[01:32] <|trey|> jief, no, thats BSD's fs...
[01:32] <jief> hmm, lemme double-check
[01:32] <the_one> time to go to sleep..2.31AM..wanna tweak some more my new ubuntu, can't push the power off button..what's wrong with me?:)
[01:32] <HrdwrBoB> er
[01:33] <Pizbit> Heh, ubuntu is here too:) http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=16580&file1=16580-1.png&file2=16580-2.png&file3=&name=Penguins.+All+together+now.+Wallpaper
[01:33] <jief> stuNNed: yes, partimage supports HFS
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> Pizbit: jeje
[01:33] <HrdwrBoB> liek carebears
[01:33] <Pizbit> Pass on why they have fuses though.
[01:33] <|trey|> jief, HFS+ = a bridge between HFS and UFS, due to most tools in Darwin expecting UFS, and most Mac apps expecting HFS... very wierd setup but I guess it works...
[01:33] <stuNNed> jief, ok, might could use that in mac labs here at school, currently using netrestore which is limited to unicast
[01:34] <|trey|> jief, its funny, one is case sensitive, one isn't... must have been a lot of fun to fix that...
[01:34] <jief> |trey|: wait til MS releases WinFS, that's just plain weird
[01:34] <the_one> see you soon, thanks for the help
[01:34] <HrdwrBoB> jief: except that winFS has been pushed to not even be in longhorn
[01:34] <jief> HrdwrBoB: yeah
[01:34] <the_one> bye
[01:34] <|trey|> jief, not really.. it just sits on top of NTFS, and holds meta-data for common file types... makes it easier to find shit...
[01:34] <stuNNed> cya the_one
[01:35] <djtansey> i have a problem re: k3b and am looking for some insight. cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc -audio -pad *.wav works when i have a directory of .wav files. but k3b doesn't work. it lists my CD/RW drive as "writes CDs: no" (though it says it writes cd/rws). any guesses?
[01:35] <jief> problem is, i haven't tried to image a machine with multiple partitions, but that could be done i'm sure
[01:35] <|trey|> s/$hit/stuff/ sorry
[01:35] <jief> you'd have to write a small bash script to create the partitions first i guess
[01:35] <stuNNed> jief, does it support multicast or unicast or both?
[01:36] <|trey|> jief, Novell is actually working on something very simular to WinFS as part of iFolder... seems interesting...  :)
[01:37] <|trey|> Can't for the life of me recall what it was called though... Simian I think maybe?
[01:37] <jief> |trey|: well, i have this promo DVD kit from novell. they have scripts to setup everything, exept LDAP. which bugs me to no end. i never came around to setup all their nice stuff because of that
[01:37] <jief> stuNNed: i believe it does
[01:37] <jief> but multicast generates too much traffic. i prefer unicast
[01:38] <stuNNed> jief, yes however unicast here is slow as molasses if more than 2 or 3 clients
[01:38] <|trey|> jief, mDNS is my new best friend  :)
[01:38] <stuNNed> jief, and no gigabit network just 100mb
[01:38] <jief> stuNNed: i double-checked, partimage doesn't support multicast yet. its in the works
[01:39] <jief> later |trey|
[01:39] <stuNNed> jief, ah ok then :)
[01:39] <stuNNed> good luck with it |trey|
[01:39] <jief> in our test lab at work, with a gigabit switch with a 4GB backplane, we can deploy windows in less than 4 minutes to clients
[01:39] <|trey|> jief, later    stuNNed, thanks  :)
[01:40] <bob2> I'd have thought you'd be limited by disk bandwidth
[01:40] <stuNNed> jief, yes, unicast is okay if gigabit network i guess, never had one to play with :)
[01:40] <jief> stuNNed: actually, i almost brought a network down to its knee using symantec ghost in multicast mode. the cat2324 didn't keep up
[01:40] <encKe`> is anyone here using gmail yet?
[01:40] <jief> bob2: doesn't take much to push about 1GB
[01:40] <bob2> encKe`: lots of people have been using it for months
[01:41] <jief> nice thing about partimage, it compress/uncompress stuff on the fly
[01:41] <bob2> jief: 4 minutes is 4.8GB, best case
[01:41] <linux_mafia> encKe`, only to experiment with gmailfs
[01:41] <stuNNed> jief, yes but on a 100mb network with multicast, can image a whole lab (16 computers) in 15-20 minutes.
[01:41] <encKe`> just wonderin what all the hoopla is about
[01:41] <encKe`> lol
[01:42] <jief> stuNNed: that's fine as long as you don't have users trying to surf the web
[01:42] <stuNNed> encKe`, lol, i can give you an invite if you wish to find out, think i have one
[01:42] <jief> in a prod environment, multicast is not an option
[01:42] <jief> i'm trying to fill up my gmail account. i'm fowarding 2 mail accounts to it
[01:42] <encKe`> stuNNed , that would be cool if you wouldnt mind :)
[01:43] <stuNNed> encKe`, np at all
[01:43] <jief> you know what's cool? vmware
[01:43] <jief> i'm about to get rid of all my boxens at home, and buy a dual-xeon with 4 gigs of ram and a raid. all virtual machines
[01:43] <jief> saves lot of space too
[01:44] <bob2> that seems like overkill
[01:44] <jief> as soon as you have 2-3 GUIs running, it tends to slow down
[01:44] <bob2> so don't run 2-3?
[01:45] <epod> Is there a way to add another location to the gnome panel weather applet?
[01:45] <jief> well, i often use vmware for testing
[01:45] <jief> i setup a virtual lan, with a few machines
[01:45] <bob2> epod: add another instance of the applet
[01:45] <epod> bob2, no, I mean, I want to add my city to it
[01:45] <bob2> epod: ah
[01:46] <bob2> epod: hrm, I think you'd need to file a bug, it'd require source changes
[01:46] <jief> epod: isn't there a city close to you in there?
[01:46] <lino> join #ubuntu-it
[01:46] <epod> jief, no, they're all down south
[01:46] <lino> join #ubuntu-it
[01:46] <lino> join #ubuntu
[01:46] <lino> join #ubuntu
[01:47] <lev> lino: you need to put a / in front of join
[01:47] <bob2> lino: you need a / there
[01:47] <EfaistOs> hi
[01:47] <lev> lino: that is, /join #ubuntu
[01:47] <linux_mafia> epod, norway?
[01:47] <lino> got it :)
[01:47] <EfaistOs> warty is stable ?
[01:47] <HrdwrBoB> yes
[01:47] <EfaistOs> and what is sid ?
[01:47] <jief> EfaistOs: yes
[01:47] <ogra> epod: iceland ?
[01:47] <bob2> EfaistOs: sid is part of Debian, not ubuntu
[01:47] <lino> sorry, I use irc just once a year or so...
[01:47] <jief> EfaistOs: sid is for debian, meaning "still in development"
[01:48] <lev> or sid the character from Toy Story... :-)
[01:48] <EfaistOs> bob2, ok but what's the name in ubuntu of the unstable ?
[01:48] <epod> ogra, northern canada, but yeah
[01:48] <bob2> EfaistOs: hoary
[01:48] <EfaistOs> i know what sid means :p
[01:48] <socomm> lino: you already are on #ubuntu
[01:48] <ogra> epod: just guessed ;)
[01:48] <jief> epod: where from in canada? i'm from montreal
[01:48] <epod> jief, I'm in northern BC near the NWT
[01:48] <Pugio> hello
[01:49] <Pugio> I'm installing ubuntu for the first time and I need a little help
[01:49] <EfaistOs> bob2, and is it stable or not ? i mean i used a sid for my workstation and everything was okay ...
[01:49] <jief> epod: oh i love BC. i went to whistler a lot in the past. and to banff, ab
[01:49] <lev> Pugio: what's your problem?
[01:49] <Pugio> I've gotten up to the Partition disks stage
[01:49] <Pugio> and I want to make sure I don't erase my drive
[01:49] <epod> jief: cool :)
[01:49] <EfaistOs> bob2, i just switched from debian sid to ubuntu ...
[01:49] <jief> i love sunshine mountain
[01:49] <EfaistOs> i just kept my home partition ...
[01:49] <epod> jief, of course, nothig up in this part of the country is listed in the applet, heh
[01:49] <jief> epod: obviously haha
[01:50] <bob2> epod: it's unstable...probably no more so than sid now
[01:50] <spacey`ki> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuArtwork/view?searchterm=image%20logo
[01:50] <bob2> EfaistOs: ^^
[01:50] <Pugio> well, unfortunatly the entire 20gb is being used
[01:50] <spacey`ki> it says attachments
[01:50] <Pugio> is there any way to take a bit of that out and use it for ubuntu
[01:50] <spacey`ki> but i dont see any images or dl links
[01:50] <Pugio> without erasing whats on there?
[01:50] <spacey`ki> how does that wiki work? ;/
[01:50] <jief> as anyone had problems with encrypting emails using evolution-2 + gnupg in ubuntu?
[01:50] <EfaistOs> bob2, and about the stability of the hoarty version ?
[01:50] <lev> Pugio: there is, but it might ruin the data. resizing partitions is tricky business in my experience...
[01:50] <bob2> EfaistOs: "hoary"
[01:50] <EfaistOs> s/hoarty/hoary
[01:50] <Pugio> ahhh
[01:50] <EfaistOs> i'm new :p
[01:51] <bob2> EfaistOs: nothing seems horribly broken atm
[01:51] <Pugio> well then, no ubuntu for me right now
[01:51] <EfaistOs> bob2, ok ...
[01:51] <lev> Pugio: you can run it from the live cd until you can get a new harddrive :-)
[01:51] <Pugio> true
[01:51] <EfaistOs> i like that the fu*!: ati drivers work really good ...
[01:51] <Pugio> right now all I have is the install cd tho
[01:51] <epod> ah, work is almost over for the day
[01:51] <Pugio> I didn't see a link to the live CD
[01:51] <Pugio> oops nm
[01:51] <jief> EfaistOs: ati drivers working well? since when?
[01:51] <EfaistOs> you made good work ...
[01:51] <Pugio> I forgot, the live disk dosen't work on PPC
[01:52] <lev> Pugio: i see...
[01:52] <EfaistOs> jief, i mean they work :p it's already a good thing :p
[01:52] <jief> they're even bad on windows
[01:52] <epod> the ubuntu instructions for the ATI drivers made it SO easy to install them
[01:52] <Pugio> yeah:(
[01:52] <Pugio> It would be great to have a PPC live cd
[01:53] <q2> My Take On Ubuntu:  It SO Stable, I have had no problems!  Therefore, it gets boring......... I LOVE YOU UBUNTU!
[01:53] <jief> you could always break it then fix it
[01:53] <jief> that's always fun
[01:53] <q2> lol
[01:53] <q2> i might just have to
[01:53] <Pugio> hmmm
[01:53] <Striss> just leave a note on your fridge that says "rm -rf on my computer please"
[01:54] <Pugio> from what I hear that migh be harder to do
[01:54] <Striss> somebody will eventually come in and do it
[01:54] <epod> haha
[01:54] <Pugio> it doesn't work
[01:54] <Striss> then you'll have problems
[01:54] <Pugio> didn't you read the article?
[01:54] <epod> they'd have to 'sudo rm -rf
[01:54] <epod> ;)
[01:54] <Pugio> :)
[01:54] <Striss> haha ok my note is useless
[01:54] <jief> Pugio: the one on osnews.com? :P
[01:54] <Pugio> think so
[01:54] <jief> it works better on linux than windows though
[01:54] <Pugio> I went to it from /.
[01:54] <Pugio> right
[01:54] <jief> because windows locks files and linux doesn't
[01:54] <Pugio> the pink screen of doom
[01:54] <Pugio> !!!
[01:55] <Pugio> much cooler than the BSoD
[01:55] <Pugio> and it has all those pretty lines in it too
[01:55] <epod> ok, good night folks
[01:56] <SaintJerome> could someone please tell me where I can edit grub in ubuntu?
[01:56] <stuNNed> SaintJerome, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:56] <SaintJerome> to add another hard drive
[01:56] <SaintJerome> thanks you
[01:56] <Pugio> mmmmmm grub
[01:56] <SaintJerome> thank*
[01:56] <usual> i am looking at the artwork page
[01:56] <baluba> q2, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreakMyUbuntu
[01:56] <usual> it mentions an attatchment for grub image
[01:57] <usual> but there is no link to click on
[01:57] <usual> why is that
[01:58] <q2> baluba: LOL!
[01:59] <Pugio> my disk, my disk for a Live CD
[02:01] <q2> The Names GNome, Ubuntu Gnome
[02:07] <stuNNed> how do i list files installed by a .deb?
[02:07] <bob2> dpkg -L packagename
[02:08] <bob2> the name of the package, not the filename of the .deb
[02:08] <jdub> stuNNed: dpkg-deb -c <file>.deb
[02:09] <stuNNed> jdub, bob2: got it, both works :D
[02:12] <SaintJerome> hmm
[02:12] <SaintJerome> damnit, it won't let me boot into windows anymore
[02:12] <jief> you need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[02:12] <jief> to add an option for Windows
[02:12] <SaintJerome> I knowe
[02:13] <SaintJerome> the hard drive itself is having issues
[02:13] <SaintJerome> has been for a while
[02:13] <jief> get a new one
[02:13] <EfaistOs> there is no galeon in ubuntu ?
[02:14] <bob2> EfaistOs: yes
[02:14] <EfaistOs> i didnt find it
[02:14] <bob2> "yes, you're right, it's not in ubuntu"
[02:14] <linux_mafia> heh
[02:15] <EfaistOs> but it's in debian
[02:15] <linux_mafia> ubuntu needs a "man universe"
[02:16] <Pizbit> hehe
[02:16] <bob2> it's not in universe, either
[02:16] <ogra> linux_mafia: great idea !!
[02:16] <linux_mafia> no shiz, i thought it was, my bad
[02:16] <lev> EfaistOs: i've had pretty good luck just taking sid .debs and installing them under ubuntu
[02:16] <baluba> hei ogra
[02:16] <Skif> anybody here using whereami?
[02:16] <RuffianSoldier> anyone here know a good amount about Libranet?  I am always in the LN channel but no one is alive right now, and i need help
[02:16] <ogra> baluba: hi
[02:16] <linux_mafia> but a universe/multiverse man page could be good
[02:17] <ogra> yep...
[02:18] <GOwin> i'm trying to do a smart upgrade via synaptics from 1.0 PR to final. i get an error when it comes to postgresql
[02:18] <GOwin> setting up postgresql
[02:18] <GOwin> pg_hba.conf contains a field after the authentication specification; the file is corrupt or has already been converted .......
[02:18] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: then ask on their list or such, it's off-topic here
[02:21] <RuffianSoldier> bob2, ummm... i need help now
[02:21] <ogra> RuffianSoldier: probably try #linuxhelp
[02:21] <bob2> RuffianSoldier: or ##linux or something
[02:22] <jcole> is it possible to preseed the ubuntu installer? same as with the debian installer? any how tos anywhere on this?
[02:22] <bob2> it's possible in d-i already?
[02:23] <kevii> anyone know of a CLI AIM client thats in the ubuntu distro?
[02:24] <bob2> centericq, pork
[02:25] <kevii> pork wasn't in my apt-cache :/
[02:25] <Nafallo> downgrading to warty again :-P
[02:25] <bob2> hm, well, it's in hoary at least
[02:25] <kevii> used pork in debian sarge
[02:25] <Scognito> Nafallo, why?
[02:26] <WX> anyone here running a postfix server w/ mysql support? preferrably using postfix.admin also ;)
[02:26] <Nafallo> hoary is way to much updates and menuitems doesn't get added when I install things.
[02:26] <bob2> WX: yes
[02:26] <bob2> Nafallo: yes, the same as for msot software in warty
[02:26] <jdub> Nafallo: only software that includes .desktop files will be added to the menus
[02:26] <WX> hey bob2: can u help me get mine working by chance? i'd be glad to make a donation to ya for your time
[02:27] <Nafallo> jdub: well, then gftp has lost that feature and some network package has got it :-P.
[02:27] <Nafallo> me don't want Network places in two menus :-P
[02:27] <bob2> WX: http://kirby.insanegenius.net/postfix.html
[02:27] <bob2> WX: that worked for me every time
[02:28] <bob2> WX: if you need postfix-specific help, #postfix would probably be a better place to try
[02:28] <jief> http://www.workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/
[02:29] <jdub> Nafallo: hoary is a development branch... things like that are bound to happen.
[02:29] <jief> this is a very good how-to for isp-like MTAs
[02:30] <Nafallo> jdub: don't get me wrong. I know that. the main reason I upgraded was to stop firefox from crashing when using forms, and that didn't happen so... ;-).
[02:30] <WX> bob2: does this install work with postfix admin?
[02:30] <ogra> Nafallo: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-October/000005.html
[02:30] <bob2> WX: I don't know what "postfix admin" is.
[02:31] <WX> bob2: a tool for adding/removing users
[02:31] <WX> in mysql
[02:31] <WX> php-based
[02:31] <bob2> I don't know
[02:32] <Nafallo> ogra: what about it? :-)
[02:32] <ogra> Nafallo: stability info .... on hoary ?
[02:33] <Nafallo> ogra: I KNOW it's not stable damn it :-P. I've used debian for years :-).
[02:34] <ogra> Nafallo: i ve seen sid breaking badly.....used it though
[02:34] <ogra> on desktops
[02:34] <Nafallo> ogra: hehe, that one of sids main feutures though :-P
[02:34] <Nafallo> s/feu/fea/
[02:34] <ogra> :)
[02:34] <kevii> hmm no cli aim clients in ubuntu
[02:35] <Nafallo> ogra: I used testing, but I think it's time to let my amd64 fly for a bit ;-).
[02:36] <ogra> Nafallo: sorry, 2:30 am here, need to work tomorrow :(
[02:36] <ogra> bye
[02:36] <Nafallo> ogra: nightie :-)
[02:37] <Nafallo> he is in the same timezone as I am :-P
[02:37] <Nafallo> and almost got the same nick/name as my server ;-)
[02:38] <jcole> does anyone have the md5sum for warty-release-install-i386.iso?
[02:40] <aitrus> it's on the website
[02:41] <aitrus> http://releases.ubuntu.com/warty/MD5SUMS
[02:41] <jcole> aitrus: great, thanks
[02:47] <mirak_> kevii, ???
[02:56] <mirak_> room dead?
[02:56] <Nafallo> mirak_: yepp
[02:56] <mirak_> lol
[03:01] <LinuxJones> night all :)
[03:10] <yohannes> can anyone recommend any app to create/open *.rar file?
[03:10] <Hikaru79> yohannes, why not WinRAR?
[03:10] <Hikaru79> http://www.rarlab.com/
[03:10] <yohannes> i am trying to weight my option. any other apps?
[03:10] <Hikaru79> Just download RAR 3.41 for Linux
[03:10] <Hikaru79> Oh
[03:10] <Hikaru79> I see
[03:10] <Hikaru79> Only one I know of, sorry =(
[03:11] <yohannes> btw, how can i install that darn thing? :)
[03:11] <yohannes> i downloaded winrar, does not have any instruction to install
[03:11] <Nafallo> file-roller
[03:11] <yohannes> i suspect i need to do something with the makefile included
[03:18] <blocke> hi... is anyone elses laptop spinning down the hard drive after like one second of inactivity since updating in the last few days?  its driving me nuts and I'm afraid of damage to the hard drive :(
[03:20] <Nafallo> blocke: 5 seconds. that's the minimum you can have. hdparm -S 1 that is :-).
[03:20] <blocke> any idea what is setting it by default in ubuntu?
[03:20] <Nafallo> blocke: /etc/acpi/power.sh
[03:20] <blocke> it didn't used to be so short on this laptop until I upgraded to hoary... can't be good for the hard drive
[03:21] <GnuHippy> the gimp ScriptFU filters are broken in hoary
[03:21] <Nafallo> blocke: it makes battery time :-P
[03:21] <Nafallo> blocke: in warty default is 12.
[03:21] <blocke> yeah I see that, strange
[03:21] <blocke> its not respecting it
[03:22] <blocke> its literally spinning down after a second of inactivity
[03:22] <Nafallo> blocke: sudo hdparm -i /dev/hda
[03:24] <blocke> http://www.pastebin.com/116669
[03:25] <GnuHippy> wow it is scary how much work they have done on hoary already and how fast updates and fixes are made
[03:25] <jdub> GnuHippy: that's largely merging with sid.
[03:25] <GnuHippy> Do they have 1000 Keebler elves working around the clock?
[03:25] <GnuHippy> ic jdub
[03:26] <GnuHippy> was Sarge released yet?
[03:26] <usual> hey jdub, how goes it
[03:26] <usual> sarge wont be released until i have grandkids
[03:27] <GnuHippy> I'll take that as a no
[03:27] <blocke> gah... stop spinning down!
[03:27] <Nafallo> blocke: hmm, that didn't say spindown time :-P. well, sudo hdparm -S 12 /dev/hda does what you want :-).
[03:27] <blocke> I did that several minutes ago
[03:27] <ud> In universe there is fluxbox_0.1.14-4_i386.deb and fluxbox_0.9.9-1_i386.deb but i can only manage to apt 0.1.14-4. How can I get the 0.9.9-1 release?
[03:28] <ajmitch> great, I have about 10 packages in universe for hoary :)
[03:29] <KentutMerah> ud, dpkg ?
[03:29] <ud> umm.. I use apt-get. But should I try dpkg?
[03:30] <jdub> ud: 0.9.9 is most likely the hoary version, not the warty version
[03:30] <jdub> ud: dpkg won't help you
[03:30] <jdub> (well, it could, but it's not advisable)
[03:30] <ud> ahh but its in the the same repo?
[03:31] <jdub> it's in the same pool
[03:31] <jdub> all the warty and hoary packages are in the same pool
[03:31] <ud> ahh ok
[03:31] <jdub> but they're for different releases
[03:31] <ud> I wondered if that was the case
[03:32] <ud> Because it wouldnt show the newer release with apt-cache search
[03:32] <ud> Is there a way I can use the newer release?
[03:33] <jdub> ud: hoary is the development branch
[03:34] <jdub> ud: unless you're very familiar with debian, i wouldn't recommend it
[03:34] <Nafallo> ud: there is, but as jdub just said, it's not advisible :-).
[03:34] <ud> ok thanks for your help, ill just have to wait :)
[03:35] <CPayan> brettcar: sad
[03:37] <blocke> hmm I had to hdparm -B 255 to stop the spinning down, oh well, at least I have a workaround
[03:38] <Nafallo> blocke: hehe
[03:38] <Striss> hey guys, I just installed Fluxbox, and I"m running it...all the fonts in my gnome apps look kinda gross now
[03:38] <Striss> they don't look like they did in gnome
[03:41] <dopey> fluxbox is in ubuntu?
[03:41] <jdub> dopey: in universe, of course.
[03:41] <dopey> that makes more sense
[03:41] <djtansey> does anyone here have k3b experience? i can record things with cdrecord but k3b won't let me (did k3bsetup and all and it seems happy. but k3b says my device isn't a cd writer)
[03:41] <dopey> i thought universe was unsupported though
[03:41] <jdub> it is
[03:42] <Nafallo> djtansey: k3b won't work with kernel 2.6.8|<IP_ADDRESS>
[03:43] <djtansey> Nafallo: so go back to 2.6.7?
[03:44] <Nafallo> djtansey: yepp, or upgrade to 2.6.9
[03:44] <CPayan> hmm progression or regression
[03:44] <djtansey> Nafallo: thanks. i'll see if ubuntu has 2.6.9 packaged
[03:44] <jdub> it will work with the ubuntu kernel
[03:44] <djtansey> jdub: k3b will?
[03:44] <jdub> no, there's no 2.6.9 in warty or hoary
[03:44] <jdub> yes
[03:45] <jdub> there are plenty of people using it
[03:45] <Nafallo> jdub: never worked with ANY 2.6 for me :-P
[03:45] <djtansey> jdub: then any guess as to what the problem is?
[03:45] <Nafallo> jdub: that's with both ubuntu and debian kernels.
[03:45] <jdub> dunno if there's a FAQ or something on the website, but it would make sense to check
[03:45] <djtansey> jdub: i did. nothing i could find that was related
[03:45] <Nafallo> opss, typo! 2.6.8* ;-)
[03:46] <djtansey> jdub: other than some k3bsetup .ICEauthority issues
[03:46] <djtansey> Nafallo: but it works with 2.6.7 for you?
[03:46] <Nafallo> jdub: k3b and 2.6.8|<IP_ADDRESS> on both my computers with burners fail.
[03:46] <Nafallo> djtansey: yes.
[03:47] <Nafallo> djtansey: and it should be fixed in 2.6.9 also :-)
[03:47] <jdub> Nafallo: the ubuntu kernels do not have those bugs.
[03:47] <djtansey> Nafallo: thanks.
[03:48] <jdub> plenty of other people are using k3b with ubuntu
[03:48] <Nafallo> jdub: how come when I TRIED with ubuntu k3b couldn't see my burner?
[03:48] <Nafallo> jdub: same thing with my girlfriend.
[03:48] <jdub> i don't know your particular circumstances
[03:48] <jdub> i can only relate what i know
[03:48] <Nafallo> it just doesn't work :-)
[03:48] <Nafallo> jdub: same here.
[03:48] <jdub> that may be true in your case
[03:48] <jdub> but it is not the case for many other users
[03:50] <Nafallo> jdub: maybe it's just drive specific?
[03:50] <jdub> i don't know
[03:50] <Nafallo> jdub: but then, I got both a samsung and a toshiba ;-).
[03:51] <Nafallo> it might be that I'm running my cd-rws as ide-cd :-)
[03:51] <djtansey> Nafallo: but i can use cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc without problem. you'd think k3b would be equally capable
[03:52] <Nafallo> djtansey: yepp, I've given up on the subject anyway :-P. ubuntu showed me the way nautilus does it :-P.
[03:52] <phill> Hi, I have a rather long question, so I have posted it here on the ubuntu forums. If anyone here has any answers to it, I would very much appreciate the help!
[03:52] <phill> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11009#post11009
[03:52] <djtansey> Nafallo: usually that's what i do. unfortunately i am burning audio CDs for a roadtrip :)
[03:53] <ajmitch> djtansey: running k3b with sudo?
[03:54] <ajmitch> not that it should matter with the patched kernel
[03:54] <djtansey> ajmitch: no. but i gave k3b my root password so those apps have root permissions
[03:54] <Nafallo> phill: my friend installed that on his lappy yesterday. he just had to apt-get and s/ati/fglrx/ :-)
[03:55] <Nafallo> phill: and then restart x and gdm ofcourse :-)
[03:55] <Nafallo> djtansey: k3b doesn't have root permissions.
[03:55] <Nafallo> djtansey: cdrecord and cdrdao have :-).
[03:56] <phill> hi, ok, how do i restard x/gdm?
[03:57] <djtansey> Nafallo: that's why i meants by "those apps." would giving k3b root help? (not that it matters now. i just finished my last CD using cdrecord)
[03:57] <Nafallo> phill: logout from X, when you're at the login screen, press CTRL+F1, login and typ sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[03:59] <HrdwrBoB> ctrl+alt+f1
[03:59] <Nafallo> HrdwrBoB: thanks :-)
[03:59] <phill> ok will give it a go :)
[03:59] <phill> so i don't need to apt-get install linux-686 or whatever the binarydriverhowto said?
[04:00] <Nafallo> ahh, yes. you have to switch kernel to :-).
[04:00] <Nafallo> phill: that makes it easier, because you have to restart to make the new kernel load ;-).
[04:01] <ghc> Hi all. Is this a good place to ask for some technical help on installing ubuntu on some hardware which is being difficult?
[04:02] <Striss> woo fluxbox is working perfect
[04:02] <Striss> ubuntu is so great
[04:02] <phill> i have to what? :(
[04:02] <ghc> I've got an IBM ThinkCenter with a SATA chipset which I can't get working.
[04:02] <Nafallo> phill: follow the howto :-)
[04:02] <phill> ok
[04:03] <Gmail> bob2: i am going to /msg you now
[04:04] <phill> since i'm using a 386 kernel at the moment i should just get that and it will replace my current one?
[04:04] <Nafallo> phill: you need to run 686 yes.
[04:04] <phill> oh
[04:04] <phill> i need to get linux-686
[04:04] <phill> ?
[04:04] <Nafallo> yes
[04:05] <phill> and then make sure grub uses that?
[04:05] <phill> at what point do i reboot? after the kernel installs and then continue isntalling fglrx after i have linux-686 going? will linux-686 pickup my nvidia agpgart?
[04:07] <usual> can I do a cryptoloop on my root running reiserfs?
[04:07] <Nafallo> phill: install linux-686 and fglrx-driver, then sed then reboot and it will work.
[04:11] <phill> natfallo: alright. last time i tried x wouldn't start :( but i'll give it another shot
[04:11] <Nafallo> last time, did you have i686-kernel?
[04:11] <phill> yes
[04:11] <phill> i did the guide
[04:14] <cuga> Hey i just noticed this, ubuntu's ssh server is called openserver-ssh... is it still openssh just rebranded ?
[04:14] <bob2> cuga: no it's not
[04:14] <bob2> it's called openssh-server
[04:14] <bob2> it is openssh.
[04:14] <Elroy-J> lol
[04:15] <cuga> bob2: man, i must be dislexic.. if i could spell it
[04:16] <HrdwrBoB> dyslexis
[04:16] <HrdwrBoB> dyslexic
[04:16] <HrdwrBoB> I can spell, just not type
[04:16] <cuga> i was only off by one letter.. tahts hot
[04:20] <_timello> sorry, but I lost my link, repeating the question: anybody knows why I can't play any .mpg, etc? it shows me the sound, but not shows me the screen
[04:21] <bob2> RestrictedFormats on the wiki
[04:21] <Nafallo> _timello: probably missing codecs
[04:21] <Nafallo> hmm
[04:22] <Nafallo> anyone else got troubles with docbook-dsssl?
[04:22] <Nafallo> version 1.57-4
[04:22] <Nafallo> typo
[04:22] <Nafallo> version 1.78-4
[04:24] <danhunt> check http://www.desktopos.com/reviews.php?op=PrintReview&id=21 for .mpg tips.
[04:24] <Nafallo> hmm, odd
[04:24] <Nafallo> it works now :-P
[04:25] <Nafallo> finally I'm on warty again ;-)
[04:26] <Nafallo> takes a bit more to downgrade through aptitude than upgrade ;-)
[04:29] <_timello> danhunt, I installed mplayer and the essential codecs package, but it still isn't working. I didn't find why
[04:30] <Nafallo> _timello: run mplayer from a terminal and check the output?
[04:34] <_timello> it shows errors like: can't open ~/.mplayer/codecs.conf, font, but I don't think so that it is the real problem
[04:34] <bob2> it's not an error, it's a warning
[04:35] <_timello> yes, sorry
[04:35] <billytwowilly> how do I enable panel support in xchat?
[04:42] <timello> maybe has a package for X that allows it? Totem doesn't show me nothing either
[04:43] <timello> I'm using a nvidia gforce mx440
[04:44] <Pizbit> billytwowilly: panel support = ?
[04:45] <Pizbit> timello: You installed the w32codecs package eh? Tried changing from totem-gst to totem-xine ?
[04:46] <timello> Pizbit, just for mplayer... I' ll go try
[04:46] <Pizbit> (although personally I use xine)
[04:47] <timello> apt-get install xine-ui?
[04:48] <Pizbit> Yeah
[04:49] <Nafallo> WTF!
[04:49] <janice> Hi All! I took the plunge and installed Ubuntu. However, I need some help.
[04:49] <nomasteryoda> excellent
[04:49] <Nafallo> @ogre:/mnt/mirrors/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gnutls10$ ls -al
[04:49] <Nafallo> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           77 2004-11-02 22:07 libgnutls10-dev_1.0.4-3ubuntu1_amd64.deb -> ../../../../pool/universe/g/gnutls10/libgnutls10-dev_1.0.4-3ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[04:49] <benh`> is it possible (or desirable) to dist-upgrade to hoary?
[04:50] <HrdwrBoB> benh`: yes and maybe
[04:50] <benh`> ok, just s/wart/hoary in sources.list?
[04:50] <timello> Pizbit, it comes with codecs?
[04:50] <nomasteryoda> HrdwrBoB: Ubuntu has given me excellent results with TVtime too
[04:50] <nomasteryoda> much better on my old wintv card
[04:50] <nomasteryoda> than mandrake
[04:50] <bob2> benh`: are you willing to deal with broken things and to file bug reports?
[04:50] <janice> I have an unsupported USRobotics wireless PCI card and I need to use ndiswrapper. Unfortunately, the install cd (Warty 4.10 Full Release) does not have ndiswrapper. What is the URL from the ubutnu website that I can download it from?
[04:50] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[04:50] <HrdwrBoB> good to hear :)
[04:51] <HrdwrBoB> janice: if you start synaptic
[04:51] <HrdwrBoB> and you enable 'restricted'
[04:51] <HrdwrBoB> you can install ndiswrapper
[04:51] <benh`> bob2, depends on how broken and yes
[04:51] <Skif> Are SATA cards mostly equivalent, or do some suck more than others, Linux-compatibility-wise?
[04:51] <janice> HrdwrBoB: Yes, I tried synaptic. But ndiswrapper does not show up.
[04:51] <HrdwrBoB> Skif: HUGEW variation
[04:51] <bob2> benh`: would you run debian unstable?
[04:51] <HrdwrBoB> janice: you have to modify the repositories
[04:51] <HrdwrBoB> and enable restricted
[04:51] <bob2> janice: it's in the wiki
[04:52] <Pizbit> timello: Nah, but it uses the ones from the w32codecs package
[04:52] <Pizbit> Well, it might actually, not sure
[04:52] <benh`> bob2, i have in the past -- i dont care too much as long as dependencies are filled out
[04:52] <janice> HrdwrBoB: I checked the repository and it is set to the CDROM drive, which is correct.
[04:52] <Skif> HrdwrBoB: so, which ones suck less than others?
[04:52] <Pizbit> benh`: It's not desirable unless you really know how to fix stuff
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> janice: you need to add the warty web based repository
[04:52] <HrdwrBoB> this should be there, just disabled
[04:53] <janice> bob2: I have read the wiki but it only says to use synaptic to download and install ndiswrapper. It doesn't say what to do if the user does not have internet access or if it not on the CDRom (hehe)
[04:53] <HrdwrBoB> Skif: I'm not 100% sure, most of them are ok now tbh, but some have weird issues
[04:53] <bob2> janice: you have no other network access?
[04:53] <janice> HrdwrBoB: I don't have internet access, which is why I need ndiswrapper.
[04:53] <Skif> HrdwrBoB: so, do you know which have said "weird issues"?
[04:53] <benh`> Pizbit, well, what should i expect to be broken?
[04:53] <Skif> or, alternatively, where I should look to find this out?
[04:53] <nomasteryoda> janice, ouchie
[04:53] <janice> I have internet access on this other machine, that I am using now.
[04:53] <Pizbit> benh`: Anything, literally
[04:53] <HrdwrBoB> janice: you seem to have access now?
[04:54] <HrdwrBoB> I can find the URL for you though
[04:54] <desp_> hi
[04:54] <desp_> is there a reason why I can't find MPlayer in synaptic?
[04:54] <Nafallo> janice: download packages and burn them on cd? :-)
[04:54] <nomasteryoda> janice, do you have a way to network them?
[04:54] <Pizbit> desp_: You need to put in the marillat repository
[04:54] <janice> HrdwrBoB: True, but this is a completely different machine. It is my wife's machine. So, my name isn't really Janice (hehe)
[04:54] <desp_> Pizbit: along with universe and multiverse?
[04:54] <janice> Nafallo: Yes, I would like to do that!
[04:54] <desp_> what other repositories are available?
[04:54] <benh`> desp_, www.apt-get.org
[04:55] <Pizbit> desp_: Those would help:) Enable multiverse too mplayer -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> janice: heh
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>/linux-restricted-modules-<IP_ADDRESS>-3-386_<IP_ADDRESS>.3-4_i386.deb
[04:55] <phill> do i need to put Option "UseInternalAGPGART" "no" into my XF86Config-4 after i install fglrx etc?
[04:55] <HrdwrBoB> that is the one you want
[04:55] <janice> I know there is a place at the ubuntu website that lists all of the packages that come with Ubuntu. Does anyone have this URL?
[04:55] <wulfy> anyone else having significant problems with the network config application?
[04:55] <hypa7ia> moi
[04:55] <wulfy> it seems to freeze and be unresponsive
[04:56] <wulfy> often
[04:56] <hypa7ia> twice today, on two different machines
[04:56] <benh`> janice, its a lot easier to apt-cache search <string> and apt-cache show <package>
[04:56] <HrdwrBoB> ndiswrapper-utils is in main
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> i forgot about the artwork here... yea warthog... have actually touched one...
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> lol
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> the plane
[04:56] <HrdwrBoB> actually
[04:56] <HrdwrBoB> hrm
[04:57] <janice> benh`: I think those will confirm whether I have or don't have ndiswrapper.
[04:57] <janice> benh`: correct?
[04:57] <benh`> janice, dpkg --list |grep ndiswrapper
[04:57] <benh`> that will show it if its installed
[04:57] <Nafallo> synaptic -> search? ;-)
[04:58] <Nafallo> Linux is getting WAY to user-friendly ;-)
[04:58] <janice> benh`: I will try that.
[05:01] <janice> I have confirmed that I do not have ndiswrapper.
[05:01] <desp_> I think the marillat repository doesn't have packages for powerpc
[05:01] <janice> What I need is the URL for the list of packages included in the Ubuntu release. Does anyone know this URL?
[05:02] <desp_> or at least synaptic complains that it can't find a powerpc specific list there
[05:02] <desp_> does anyone know if there's a repository with a ppc build of mplayer? or should I just get it myself
[05:03] <Nafallo> janice: http://ogre.magicalforest.se/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz should do :-)
[05:04] <Nafallo> hmm, or wait... that isn't what's included on the cd :-/
[05:04] <Nafallo> janice: browse the cd?
[05:05] <janice> Nafallo: Thank you for the link. However, I failed to mention that the list I am searching for has links to the actual package that allows one to download them. I will search the CD as you suggest.
[05:05] <desp_> meh
[05:05] <phill> Hi, I am having trouble with the fglrx driver. it seems to work, but nothing is 3d accelerated
[05:05] <phill> glxinfo says i am still suing mesa
[05:05] <phill> how do i switch?
[05:06] <janice> Nafallo: nope, not on it.
[05:06] <Nafallo> janice: I just came to the same conclusion :-P
[05:07] <Nafallo> janice: btw, that mirror I gave you has slow uplink :-P
[05:07] <janice> This really is a pickle. I would think that the ndiswrapper would be on the CD.
[05:07] <Nafallo> janice: not for me, but for everyone else ;-)
[05:07] <bob2> janice: no way
[05:07] <bob2> janice: non-Free, unsupportable, the drivers can't be distributed freely anyway
[05:08] <janice> bob2: I don't need the driver. Just ndiswrapper. I have the driver already on my MSWindows partition.
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> can't janice just make an apt source and install from there?
[05:08] <bob2> janice: just the first two points then ;)
[05:08] <bob2> nomasteryoda: yes
[05:08] <bob2> or just copy the .debs via cd
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> that would be the way
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:08] <nomasteryoda> that too
[05:09] <bob2> it's not all that hard, but any sort of network access is easier
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> whats the method to install just packages
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> dpkg ?
[05:09] <Nafallo> sudo dpkg -i /media/cdrom/*.deb would do ;-)
[05:09] <bob2> yeah
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> cool
[05:09] <phill> anyone?
[05:09] <nomasteryoda> i'm posting tips for out lug
[05:10] <bob2> phill: did you read the wiki page?
[05:10] <aku> Hi all
[05:10] <HrdwrBoB> hi
[05:11] <aku> Can anybody tell me how to alias my eth0 ??
[05:11] <janice> I apologize to all for being a bit confusing in my request. My request is simply the URL to the ubuntu website that not only lists all the packages of Ubuntu, but allows one to download too.
[05:11] <bob2> janice: there isn't one
[05:11] <bob2> janice: because ubuntu has > 10 000 packages
[05:11] <bob2> janice: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ has all the packages, but you need to know how to find them
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> our contribution to the effort... comments welcomed.. http://mgalug.org/distros/ubuntu/4.10
[05:13] <hypa7ia> typo nomasteryoda
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> yea?
[05:14] <hypa7ia> "Ubuntu standS tall"
[05:14] <janice> bob2: you are getting me close!
[05:14] <hypa7ia> add the s
[05:14] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:14] <nomasteryoda> thanks
[05:14] <bob2> janice: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2004-October/004456.html
[05:14] <hypa7ia> np
[05:14] <HrdwrBoB> nomasteryoda: excellent
[05:15] <hypa7ia> there are a couple other typos nomasteryoda :-)
[05:15] <HrdwrBoB> nomasteryoda: however, I don't recommend setting the root password
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:15] <HrdwrBoB> nomasteryoda: sudo -s will give you a root shell when you need one
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> i know better now
[05:15] <HrdwrBoB> heh
[05:15] <nomasteryoda> yea
[05:15] <hypa7ia> but i'm a pedant, so whatever :-)
[05:15] <phill> bob2: i followed it precisely
[05:15] <phill> no luck :(
[05:15] <phill> no 3d acceleration
[05:15] <HrdwrBoB> nomasteryoda: and you can also change the res from the computer-> system menu :)
[05:15] <janice> bob2: Thank you. At least I think. The URL I found is http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/ndiswrapper/ Does this look like the correct ndiswrapper-utils file to use?
[05:16] <bob2> janice: yes
[05:16] <janice> bob2: Thank you for working with me. I am surely grateful.
[05:16] <bob2> janice: you're welcome, good luck
[05:17] <janice> Now, how do I install a deb file in ubuntu?
[05:17] <aku> Can anybody tell me how to IP aliasing my eth0 ??
[05:17] <bob2> dpkg -i foo.deb
[05:17] <bob2> aku: what are you trying to do?
[05:17] <bob2> (yes I know what ip aliasing is)
[05:17] <janice> bob2: me bad. I want to install the ndiswrapper-utils deb file.
[05:18] <bob2> janice: right...dpkg -i whateverthefileiscalled.deb
[05:18] <nomasteryoda> HrdwrBoB: modding it now... makes more sense
[05:18] <dasenjo> bob2, is there a documented process tu make a debian package an ubuntu one?? In the distribution ?
[05:18] <yohannes> any recommendation of tool/app for burning music? /*just like nero*/
[05:19] <dannoblip> I was under the impression that all non-base packages would work with warty<-?
[05:19] <timello> Pizbit, thank you, works with xine
[05:19] <bob2> dasenjo: to make it work or to get it uploaded?
[05:20] <bob2> yohannes: everyone loves k3b, apparently
[05:20] <bob2> dannoblip: no, you have no guarantee that a random binary .deb from sid will even install on ubuntu
[05:20] <janice> Okay, here I go. Install time!
[05:20] <dasenjo> bob2, really, I want to colaborate .. but I dont find documentation .. I think to get it uploaded ..
[05:20] <hypa7ia> yay janice!
[05:21] <bob2> dasenjo: I don't know that there's a system in place yet
[05:21] <dasenjo> bob2, are you a mantainer ?
[05:21] <bob2> dasenjo: no.
[05:22] <bob2> dasenjo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/maintainers
[05:23] <yohannes> how about gnome toaster? any good?
[05:23] <janice> Woops! Problem. Ubuntu says it cannot mount my floppy disk. However, I can view the contents on this machine running a different linux distribution. Is there a command I can use to mount the floppy in Ubuntu?
[05:23] <dannoblip> yohannes - gnometoaster works well, for what it does
[05:23] <bob2> janice: mount /floppy
[05:23] <dasenjo> bob2, thanks .. I know the URL .. I just want to talk with a mantainer ..
[05:23] <bob2> dasenjo: #ubuntu-devel
[05:23] <dannoblip> yohannes - doesnt have all the features in place yet, but does burn isos and data cds well
[05:23] <bob2> |trey|: erm, why?  follow debian poloicy.
[05:23] <phill> where are .debs stored when you run apt-get?
[05:23] <bob2> phill: they're cached in /var/cache/apt/archives/
[05:24] <phill> thanks
[05:24] <klasiphyd> is there anything else to try if the binary drive doc doesn't work for ati/nvidia cards?
[05:24] <yohannes> dannoblip: how about audio cd? good?
[05:24] <|trey|> yohannes, coaster is nice... look at that too...
[05:24] <dasenjo> bob2, I see the ligth ... thanks
[05:24] <yohannes> btw, can i use k3b in gnome? /*newbie*/
[05:24] <bob2> klasiphyd: ask on the list
[05:24] <bob2> yohannes: yes
[05:24] <janice> Ubuntu says that it cannot find /floppy and something about fstab. I think Ubuntu has not configured the floppy for some reason. What to do!
[05:24] <|trey|> bob2, true... but I suspect most people would expect it to be on Ubuntu's site somewhere...
[05:25] <|trey|> bob2, maybe even just host the same stuff...
[05:25] <dannoblip> yohannes - it doesnt have audio in place yet, you'd have to make an mp3->iso with mpg123 first, but im not an expert on that
[05:25] <yohannes> bob2--> so the only differnence is the GUI right? not the underlying functions
[05:25] <yohannes> dannoblip --> thanks for the info
[05:25] <bob2> janice: sudo mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt
[05:25] <|trey|> yohannes, correct, they are still .deb's
[05:27] <janice> bob2: That did the trick! How will I remember that command? (lol)
[05:27] <|trey|> dannoblip, cdrecord can do that with --audio... never tried with mpg123
[05:28] <dannoblip> that just decodes to wav, but yeah not a complete process
[05:28] <dannoblip> I think thats why gnometoaster doesnt have audio support, because the program is written atop libburn
[05:28] <dannoblip> and not cdrtools like most others
[05:29] <janice> Next issue. How do I change to the mounted flopy drive cd /dev/fd0 does not work.
[05:29] <bob2> janice: cd /mnt
[05:29] <bob2> /dev/fd0 is the device you've mounted /mnt is where the files appear
[05:29] <|trey|> janice, mount what from_where to_here
[05:30] <phill> bob2: pm
[05:30] <janice> bob2: cd /mnt does now work. It says permission denied. I tried sudo cd /mnt but that does not work either. Have any suggestion? (uh)
[05:30] <bob2> phill: ?
[05:31] <|trey|> janice, /dev is kernel space, you want it in userspace  :)
[05:31] <bob2> janice: "sudo -s", cd /mnt
[05:31] <phill> bob2: i sentyou a query
[05:32] <dannoblip> janice - can I ask what dist you are using - assuming ubuntu
[05:33] <janice> dannoblip: Sure thing! It is Ubuntu Warty 4.10 10-20-2004
[05:33] <dannoblip> ok and can I ask what your problem is?
[05:34] <janice> bob2: That sudo -s sure did the trick! I got ndiswrapper-utils installed (at least I think).
[05:34] <|trey|> dannoblip, janice cannot mount a floppy disk...
[05:35] <dannoblip> cannot mount or cannot access once mounted
[05:35] <mercurus> janice: can you run: cat /etc/fstab |grep fd0
[05:35] <|trey|> dannoblip, neither now, was latter though...
[05:35] <dannoblip> strange
[05:35] <janice> |trey|: actually, bob2 came to my rescue. bob2 gave me the commands that enabled me to mount the floppy and access it.
[05:35] <dannoblip> ok then great
[05:35] <|trey|> mercurus, I think maybe /floppy doesn't exist... but thats where /etc/fstab points it would seem...
[05:36] <janice> For some reason, Ubuntu would not mount a vfat floppy disk through the Gnome application (nautilus?)
[05:36] <mercurus> |trey|: ls -lA /floppy
[05:36] <|trey|> mercurus, ...
[05:36] <stuNNed> for stable system should i use 'apt-get upgrade' or 'apt-get dist-upgrade' or it doesn't matter?
[05:37] <dannoblip> janice- are you running a custom kernel?
[05:37] <mercurus> janice: it probably means your fstab file is tryiung to "auto"-detect the floppy's file system, set it to "vfat", rather than "auto" and try again.
[05:37] <janice> The command that got the floppy drive to mount is sudo mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mnt
[05:37] <janice> mercurus: how do I set it to default to vfat?
[05:38] <janice> Do I edit the fstab file?
[05:38] <|trey|> janice, should be able to do mount /floppy worst case... or auto loaded best case...
[05:38] <dannoblip> janice - only edit fstab if you want the floppy mounted on startup
[05:38] <|trey|> janice, you can just 'mkdir /floppy' then fstab wouldn't complain...
[05:38] <dannoblip> nevermind i was confused as to the question
[05:39] <janice> |trey| If I mkdir /floppy, that would enable gnome to mount it if I double click the floppy icon in nautilus?
[05:40] <mercurus> janice: yes
[05:40] <dannoblip> if you mkdir /floppy  you are just making a directory to suit you as a mount point
[05:40] <|trey|> janice, should, yes... right click > mount volume though...
[05:40] <dannoblip> then you dont use the general purpose /mnt
[05:41] <mercurus> btw, the mount point should be /media/floppy
[05:41] <mercurus> or /media/floppy0
[05:41] <dannoblip> yeah but show me a LSB compliant system that I run and I'll show you a warty warthog
[05:41] <|trey|> dannoblip, that was manual because fstab didn't work... fstab is already set to /floppy and so would be easier to fix with mkdir  :/
[05:42] <dannoblip> alright
[05:42] <mercurus> |trey|: if you want floppies to co-operate with nautilus, use /media/floppy
[05:42] <dannoblip> I have a tendency to blither
[05:42] <bob2> phill: please don't, and I don't see it anyway
[05:42] <bob2> janice: cool
[05:42] <|trey|> mercurus, I dunno... she listed the error has saying couldn't access /floppy not /media/floppy though...
[05:43] <|trey|> s/has/as
[05:43] <dannoblip>  /media is a hub for mount points suggested in the LSB 2.0
[05:43] <mercurus> |trey|: an error caused by a manual mount attempt, no ?
[05:44] <|trey|> [21:25]  <janice> Ubuntu says that it cannot find /floppy and something about fstab. I think Ubuntu has not configured the floppy for some reason. What to do!
[05:44] <phill> bob2: sorry. how do i enable direct rendering for the fglrx drivers? currently is says it is not
[05:44] <mercurus> mine worked out of the box just then ...
[05:45] <bob2> phill: no idea, I don't use binary drivers
[05:45] <bob2> phill: try asking on the list
[05:45] <phill> the list?
[05:45] <janice> I just noticed something different between the Ubuntu liveCD and the Full Release. In the LiveCD the MSWindows partitions were already mounted and I could browse them easily. However, with the Full Release, they are not mounted and I cannot browse them. Is this the way it should be?
[05:45] <bob2> phill: /topic
[05:45] <dannoblip> phill- you have dri enabled in your XF86Config-4"?
[05:45] <phill> dannoblip: i think so, the dri module is listed as one to be loaded
[05:46] <dannoblip> and yet you have binary... ati?? drivers?
[05:46] <|trey|> janice, you can use the same /etc/fstab if you'd like... just cp the/file over...
[05:46] <phill> dannoblip: yes binary ati
[05:46] <dannoblip> phill- if you have the kernel modules installed, and insmodded, try doing a XFree86 -configure
[05:47] <dannoblip> then take a look at what the options are by default for XF86
[05:47] <dannoblip> or have you looked in that direction?
[05:47] <phill> no, i haven't. i will have to shutdown x to do that though, yes?
[05:47] <dannoblip> yeah you will
[05:48] <dannoblip> assuming you are using an x11 irc client
[05:48] <dannoblip> try bitchx
[05:48] <dannoblip> then you could talk and not have X runnign
[05:48] <phill> i'm using screen+irssi via ssh on another box, so no worries
[05:48] <|trey|> dannoblip, bah... irssi.
[05:48] <phill> i will brb and try that
[05:48] <dannoblip> ok
[05:49] <dannoblip> |trey| I used to run slackware, so gimme a break
[05:49] <dannoblip> its all personal taste
[05:49] <|trey|> dannoblip, what does that mean? "I used to run slackware" too  :/
[05:50] <paulproteus> It is possible to do all this with X running.
[05:50] <dannoblip> well I can tell you what it doesnt mean: it doesnt mean that Im trying to insinuate experience through stating abjective opinions on arbitrary command line programs
[05:50] <|trey|> paulproteus, no kidding?  ;)
[05:50] <dannoblip> im just saying that bitchx always came on default install
[05:50] <janice> |trey|: please forgive me (I am a new Ubuntu user). Which file do I copy exactly?
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> as for Ubuntu and Xfree86, I had an odd problem today
[05:51] <paulproteus> The XFree86 -configure step should be doable with X running, from a text terminal.
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> on one HD it would install perfectly...on the other it installed but wouldn't log into X
[05:51] <nomasteryoda> very odd
[05:52] <thoreauputic> janice: the /etc/fstab file :)
[05:52] <|trey|> janice, if you mounted it to /media/cdrom, it would be 'sudo cp /media/cdrom/etc/fstab /etc/fstab'
[05:52] <phill> dannoblip: it got unresolved symbol errors
[05:52] <|trey|> Se7h, never do that again.
[05:53] <Adrenal> how well does ubuntu handle media, and by media, i mean avi's and mpeg4's
[05:53] <Se7h> ups
[05:53] <Se7h> wasn't suppose to come to this network
[05:53] <phill> adrenal: fine aslong as you switch to totem-xine
[05:53] <dannoblip> phill- can you msg me the erro
[05:53] <Striss> adnans, they work fine for me in MPlayer
[05:53] <|trey|> Adrenal, depends if you have mplayer installed or not...
[05:53] <Adrenal> is mplayer good or bad?
[05:53] <Striss> i've never made any use of totem-xine, i dont like it
[05:53] <phill> dannoblip: i will try
[05:53] <Striss> mplayer is great
[05:53] <Striss> its a godsend
[05:53] <|trey|> Adrenal, better then good.
[05:53] <dannoblip> or throw it on pastebin.com
[05:53] <Adrenal> kk
[05:54] <Adrenal> what about mp3's?
[05:54] <|trey|> Adrenal, when working, its all you need for pr0n  8)
[05:54] <Adrenal> lol
[05:54] <bob2> Adrenal: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:54] <Striss> adnans, plenty of mp3 players
[05:54] <janice> |trey|: I am clueless. I think I just mounted it to /mnt. Is that correct bob2 ?
[05:54] <Striss> xmms, rhythmbox, beep
[05:54] <nomasteryoda> Adrenal: mplayer will even allow you to view the movie trailers at apple.com...
[05:54] <hypa7ia> i think we need a faq like fedorafaq.org
[05:54] <nomasteryoda> with the w32codecs of course
[05:54] <|trey|> janice, no, the livecd... mount /media/cdrom
[05:55] <|trey|> nomasteryoda, in Ubuntu, they are part of the package, the way its meant to be  :)
[05:55] <bob2> janice: right
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> |trey| nice
[05:55] <nomasteryoda> package deals beat the other method of hunting it all down
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> ubuntu rocks
[05:56] <Adrenal> ah cheers
[05:56] <Adrenal> ok
[05:56] <Adrenal> what about games
[05:56] <Adrenal> how well does cedga work?
[05:56] <Adrenal> *cedega
[05:56] <Striss> never tried it, dunno what it is
[05:56] <bob2> you'd have to ask transgaming
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> very limited games...yea
[05:56] <bob2> but it should work as well on ubuntu as it does anywhere
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> xmame
[05:56] <Seek187> I wish I could install ubintu :(
[05:56] <|trey|> Adrenal, its not as good as running natively...
[05:56] <Striss> why cant you?
[05:56] <nomasteryoda> Seek187: why not install?
[05:57] <Seek187> After it installs the base system and after the first reboot it tries to load and it has a FATAL error
[05:57] <Striss> what system?
[05:57] <janice> bob2: Thanks. |Trey|: Okay, I think I get it.
[05:57] <nomasteryoda> Adrenal: and with the plugin to mozilla for mplayer, you can even do fullscreen movies
[05:57] <bob2> janice: is it working now?
[05:57] <Seek187> I don't remember what it is im going to recreate it again in a min
[05:57] <bob2> Seek187: please file a bug or ask on the list
[05:57] <Striss> Seek187, what kinda system are you running?
[05:57] <Seek187> ok
[05:58] <WX> how do i go about making courier-imap run as the postfix user?
[05:58] <Seek187> um
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> Seek187: did you check the hard drive for problems?
[05:58] <nomasteryoda> i've seen that before
[05:58] <bob2> WX: don't do that
[05:58] <Seek187> no ill try that next
[05:59] <nomasteryoda> Hirem's boot cd tools do a good job
[05:59] <Skif> WX: you probably don't want to do that.... I use cyrus-imap, and postfix talks to it over lmtp via a socket owned by the mail group... postfix and cyrus both run as members of that group
[05:59] <|trey|> bob2, she wanted Windows accessable at boot like on LiveCD... I was gonna get her to boot the LiveCD and cp its fstab stuff over to the installed system...
[05:59] <Seek187> it's a asus motherboard with a 2.5 celreon I think
[05:59] <|trey|> bob2, not a good idea it would seem... :(
[05:59] <|trey|> She would need to reboot first *nods*
[06:00] <Seek187> Ill get the error in a minute
[06:00] <bob2> goddamn my ibook runs hot
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:00] <bob2> I'm going to need water cooling summer
[06:00] <Seek187> brb
[06:00] <bob2> I wonder how it will like being hosed down
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> needs a "caution: this unit gets very hot" "Not to be used on the Laptop"
[06:00] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:01] <|trey|> bob2, haha... put it in the fridge while its not in use  8)
[06:01] <bob2> heh
[06:01] <liten> frozen lcd displays kinda .. rock :P
[06:01] <bob2> nomasteryoda: it actually blows out enough hot air to make me sweay
[06:01] <janice> bob2: I can now view the contents of the floppy drive. However, I have run into another problem, which is that the MSWindows partitions are not mounte.
[06:01] <bob2> yeah, when you take the liquid out of LCD...
[06:02] <bob2> janice: do you know what device they are?
[06:02] <WX> Skif, im having problems getting courier-imap to read the mail dirs
[06:02] <|trey|> bob2, LiveCD mounts them... easier to just have her use that no?
[06:02] <WX> gives me an error *cannon chdir 'maildir'*
[06:02] <bob2> WX: http://kirby.insanegenius.net/postfix.html
[06:02] <bob2> |trey|: apparently not
[06:02] <Skif> WX: make sure the user it runs as is in the same group as the ower of the mail dirs
[06:02] <Skif> WX: and make sure postfix is too, of course
[06:03] <WX> ok
[06:03] <|trey|> bob2, well... she didn't even try... I told her to but I don't think she wanted to or something I guess  :(
[06:03] <janice> Yes, hda1, hda5 and hda6
[06:03] <don> I'm having problems mounting hdb1 to a folder on my desktop.
[06:03] <rublind> Don?
[06:03] <don> here
[06:03] <WX> Skif, it appears that courier runs as root... by default; is this possible? at least that's what ps makes me think
[06:03] <rublind> m'kay.
[06:03] <bob2> don: you need to edit /etc/fstab
[06:03] <bob2> janice: as do you you
[06:04] <rublind> bob2: isn't that just to make it so it's mounted when you start up?
[06:04] <Skif> WX: dunno... I like standards compliance, so I use cyrus :)
[06:04] <bob2> rublind: well, sort of...if it's not in there then you need to specify all the details whenevrre you mount it
[06:04] <Skif> WX: look at your courier conf file; is there a setting for "user/group to run as"?
[06:04] <|trey|> janice, sudo fdisk -l ... see if any say ntfs or mention fat... mount those, come back if you get in trouble  :)
[06:04] <rublind> bob2: I think first he wants to make it work, then he can edit /etc/fstab (I'm not sure he knows what to put even, I know I don't)
[06:05] <don> How do I edit /etc/fstab
[06:05] <rublind> nano /etc/fstab
[06:05] <yohannes> hi, just install k3b successfully. during launch, it requires me to input a root passwd to maintain recording stability. as far as i remember, we use sudo explicitly and never set up a root acct. any thought?
[06:05] <don> ah, I was thinking nino :\
[06:05] <rublind> Hah/
[06:05] <|trey|> rublind, look in the file... its pretty straight forward...
[06:05] <hypa7ia> hey, i'm editing /etc/fstab, my win partition was set to mount with <options> default but this made it root-only.  should it be user, noauto instead?  that's what i keep seeing in my google results
[06:05] <rublind> |trey|: but there are things you could do that are non-standard.
[06:05] <|trey|> rublind, there are more options that man fstab tells about...
[06:05] <bob2> yohannes: krb sucks, there's a page on the wiki about it
[06:05] <bob2> hypa7ia: ntfs or vfat?
[06:06] <hypa7ia> vfat bob2
[06:06] <rublind> |trey|: Can you give a sample of what the line should look like? (for reference)
[06:06] <bob2> hypa7ia: umask=002 in the options field
[06:07] <|trey|> hypa7ia, there isn't a space either way... what you have would make it accessable to regular users and not mount on boot...
[06:07] <janice> |trey|: It is fat, not ntfs. The MSWindows is MSWin98SE
[06:07] <hypa7ia> thanks |trey| and bob2 :-)
[06:07] <bob2> janice: you want to add a line like this:
[06:07] <|trey|> <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass> is what the file says... last two are usually always '0'...
[06:07] <hypa7ia> oh, noauto, duh... *kicks self*
[06:08] <bob2> /dev/hda1 /mnt/whereyouwantit/ vfat defaults,umask=002 0 0
[06:08] <phill> Hi, has anyone had any success with 3D acceleration and the ATi binary drivers?
[06:08] <hypa7ia> yeah, i've got that far, just didn't know what to put for options
[06:08] <bob2> phill: lots of people have.  if you can't get it to work, ask on the list
[06:08] <bob2> hypa7ia: umask=002
[06:08] <phill> the users list?
[06:08] <rublind> Anyone know when the Ubuntu CD's are shipping?
[06:08] <hypa7ia> got it bob2 :-)
[06:08] <bob2> phill: yes.
[06:08] <bob2> rublind: in a couple of weeks
[06:08] <|trey|> hypa7ia, /dev/something /somewhere/here fstype user,noauto 0 0
[06:09] <rublind> bob2: I am impatient. >_<
[06:09] <hypa7ia> |trey|: but i do want auto :-)
[06:09] <|trey|> hypa7ia, then auto instead...
[06:09] <bob2> auto is the default
[06:09] <thoreauputic> |trey|: Bob2 already told her - you are just confusing the issue
[06:10] <bob2> and make sure you know what trhe consequences of "user" are.
[06:10] <hypa7ia> does umask=002 == user in this case?
[06:10] <bob2> no
[06:11] <|trey|> thoreauputic, ahh... didn't even see  :(
[06:11] <thoreauputic> hypa7ia: allows read write permissions
[06:11] <hypa7ia> which one, thoreauputic
[06:11] <thoreauputic>  umask=002
[06:12] <|trey|> hypa7ia, that would make user and group have full rights, and everyone else have read only...
[06:12] <bob2> if you're sking for clarification on something I've said, please direct it at me
[06:12] <billytwowilly> any horror stories about upgrading to hoary?
[06:12] <thoreauputic> hypa7ia: , bob2, sorry I butted in
[06:13] <Pizbit> billytwowilly: Yes
[06:13] <|trey|> bob2, user in mount options = allows user to mount and umount, correct?
[06:13] <mercurus> |trey|: yes
[06:13] <billytwowilly> Pizbit, fill me in;)
[06:13] <Pizbit> billytwowilly: Only really do it if you know how to fix anything.
[06:14] <Pizbit> billytwowilly: gnome-panel dead is one I remember
[06:14] <billytwowilly> darn.. I can always downgrade though right?
[06:14] <Pizbit> No
[06:14] <Pizbit> Only if you reinstall.
[06:14] <rublind> How do you mount a windows drive (XP) so that it's not owned by root?
[06:14] <billytwowilly> fart. I wanted x.org and xchat 2.4 real bad
[06:15] <|trey|> billytwowilly, just make sure to seperate /home out for important stuff  :)
[06:15] <rublind> mount -t ntfs -o rublind /dev/hdb1 /home/rublind/Desktop/HDD2 ?
[06:15] <mercurus> rublind: -o uid=1001,gid=101 or similar
[06:15] <|trey|> billytwowilly, no xorg yet... Xchat 2.4 and GNOME 2.9 are in though  :)
[06:15] <rublind> Thanks.
[06:15] <hypa7ia> 2.9, neat
[06:16] <billytwowilly> yah, I have /home as a seperate partition;) It's my home directory from all the way back in mandrake 7.2;)
[06:17] <hypa7ia> bob2, back to my previous q (sorry to have gotten things confused there): would it then be better to just allow my user to rw the drive?  so defaults,$me ?
[06:17] <|trey|> hypa7ia, I was kinda worried when I saw it... rarely run devel de's... but its actually quite stable  :)
[06:17] <billytwowilly> |trey|, right now they're doing a huge merge back with debian right? Should I wait a week and everything will have calmed down?
[06:17] <bob2> thoreauputic: I wasn't refering to you :)
[06:17] <bob2> |trey|: yes, and some tother things, man mount
[06:17] <bob2> hypa7ia: defaults,uid, does nothing.  you can use the uid=your_id thing if you like
[06:17] <bob2> umask=002 lets anyone write to it
[06:17] <|trey|> billytwowilly, the actual merge is done... things such as Xorg will come in in time, and GNOME 2.9 as I said is also new...
[06:18] <billytwowilly> ok, so it's somewhat safe to upgrade now?
[06:18] <billytwowilly> I'm not big on fixing things, but I really wanted xchat 2.4
[06:18] <|trey|> billytwowilly, still upgrading packages due to it not being frozen, but the merge is complete...
[06:18] <|trey|> billytwowilly, if you are paranoid, no... at least wait till after Xorg is in safely  :)
[06:19] <billytwowilly> heh, when do you think xorg will be in safely? hmm. I probably can't upgrade to xorg until ati releases drivers for that anyway
[06:20] <|trey|> billytwowilly, I would say wait like 2 weeks from now, depending on how paranoid... should have enough bug fixes by then to be safe to upgrade to  :)
[06:20] <rublind> I mounted a hard drive to a folder on the desktop, and when I open that folder I get an error "No permissions," how do I fix this?
[06:20] <billytwowilly> nifty.
[06:22] <|trey|> rublind, thats strange, you mounted with -o rublind, so you should have had sufficiant rights...
[06:22] <rublind> I don't know why.
[06:22] <billytwowilly> |trey|, I switched from suse because I wanted the constant upgrades of debian with a better installer, then I read about the not upgrading except for once every six months and I thought "BASTARD!";) But if the devel branch is as stable as debian unstable it should be good still
[06:22] <BrittBS> |trey|: you say 2.9 is in hoary?
[06:22] <|trey|> BrittBS, yup  :)
[06:22] <BrittBS> |trey|: odd, i did updates on 2 machines today to hoary and gnome-about still reports 2.8.1
[06:24] <GnuHippy> what is the latest version of Gnome?
[06:24] <jdub> 2.8
[06:24] <jdub> well, 2.8.1 strictly
[06:24] <|trey|> BrittBS, partial... some things here are 2.8.x too... gnome-applets, gnome-media and simular are 2.9... base packages like gnome-session and gnome-about as you said is still 2.8
[06:24] <jdub> 2.9.1 is also out, but it's on the devel branch
[06:25] <|trey|> jdub, she was asking about hoary  ;)
[06:25] <jdub> and not all of the modules have been released (notably, not gnome-desktop/panel/session)
[06:25] <jdub> |trey|: i know. answer still applies.
[06:25] <BrittBS> ah, cool
[06:25] <billytwowilly> so is 2.9 the gnome devel release or is it an actual new release?
[06:26] <|trey|> billytwowilly, GNOME devel is always odd minor number...
[06:26] <jdub> billytwowilly: odd minor numbers indicate development releases
[06:26] <rublind> |trey|: any ideas?
[06:26] <ttikk> what is the broadcom number to call
[06:26] <billytwowilly> ok. just like the kernel. nifty
[06:26] <ttikk> to bitch about wifi specs ?
[06:26] <klasiphyd> this may be dumb but.. is there an i686 kernel? uname -a says its using an i386 kernel but the machine is i686 ..?
[06:26] <jdub> klasiphyd: install linux-686
[06:27] <rublind> http://www.allowe.com/sight/images/XboxPortable.jpg <-- Mmmm Microsoft
[06:27] <klasiphyd> ok thats what i thought
[06:27] <Pizbit> jdub: Yeah, it's kinda odd the installer chose 386 when the cpu is an amd xp(k6 I think)
[06:27] <|trey|> rublind, nope sorry... afaik, it should have worked... bob2, rublind is getting permission denied with 'mount -t something -o defaults,rublind blah foo'
[06:28] <jdub> Pizbit: k7. it's not always right to make that choice.
[06:28] <klasiphyd> when i try to use fglrx, x crashes saying cannot init agp ..is it possible agp support isn't in the kernel?
[06:28] <Pizbit> jdub: o_O? Why's that?
[06:28] <billytwowilly> klasiphyd, did you read the ubuntu wiki? there's somethign there about agp errors like that I think
[06:28] <jdub> Pizbit: safety.
[06:28] <klasiphyd> billytwowilly, i did, i'll look again
[06:29] <billytwowilly> klasiphyd, hmm, nope, not in there. I must have read it elsewhere
[06:29] <billytwowilly> I'll dig around and see if I can find it again.
[06:29] <klasiphyd> i remember what your talking about
[06:29] <x0563511> runlevel 1 is single user, console only right?
[06:29] <x0563511> and 3 is the normal level?
[06:30] <guptan> can somebody tell me rar utility package name?
[06:30] <Skif> x0563511: runlevel S is single user
[06:30] <seek187> Wow! it installed this time
[06:30] <seek187> Very slick nice install :)
[06:30] <klasiphyd> billytwowilly, is it http://ati.com/support/infobase/linuxhowto-ati.html that your looking for
[06:30] <Skif> x0563511: 2 is full gui everything
[06:30] <x0563511> init 2 did nothing
[06:30] <|trey|> billytwowilly, any complaints you might have... jdub is release manager, so he's as good a person as anyone to have reading your opinion  ;)
[06:30] <x0563511> but, init 1 got me to maintainence mode
[06:30] <x0563511> and init 3 got me back to GUI
[06:31] <Skif> x0563511: maybe you did something interesting to yours; in mine /etc/rc2.d has S99gdm
[06:31] <billytwowilly> klasiphyd, I don't remember. I just remember reading something about that agp error while trying to get my ati mobility radeon 9700 working. Sorry.
[06:31] <Skif> which means that gdm should start as the last thing in init level 2
[06:31] <x0563511> is something odd going on with my installation? I just installed off of the install CD i dowlnoaded today
[06:32] <hypa7ia> billytwowilly: what laptop are you on
[06:32] <Skif> x0563511: in fact, rc3.d and rc2.d have exactly the same contents for me
[06:32] <billytwowilly> |trey|, it's not complaints about how it's packaged. It's complaints about other things. 1) nautilus. Make it easy to turn off the error not letting me play .wmv files because they have another format inside them (asf). I need a drop down file system menu like the quickbrowser in kde. That thing was gold
[06:32] <phill> Hi, does anyone know what this error means in myxfree log? Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o":  No symbols found
[06:32] <phill> it happens when it tries to load libGlcore
[06:33] <x0563511> Skif, maybe it's set up differently be default now?
[06:33] <Skif> x0563511: possibly, but I rather doubt it
[06:33] <billytwowilly> hypa7ia, compal cl-56 rebranded as a ttx laptop. centrino dothan 1.7 ghz, 512 MB ram, 80 gb 5400 rpm drive, dvd-r/cdr/ ati mobility radeon 9700 w/128 MB ram
[06:33] <x0563511> Skif, hmm... i have changed little, and i just installed off of the lates official ISO
[06:33] <billytwowilly> oh yah, and wireless iwp2200 of course
[06:33] <hypa7ia> ha, cool, that's almost exactly my setup
[06:34] <Skif> x0563511: does your /etc/rc2.d directory have S99gdm?
[06:34] <x0563511> Skif, no idea, im a semi-newb
[06:34] <x0563511> let me check
[06:34] <Skif> x0563511: and when you boot, by default does gdm start?
[06:34] <billytwowilly> hmm. yah, init 3 doesn't shut down x anymore.. that is kind of lame too.
[06:34] <hypa7ia> asus m6b 1.6 / 1024 / 80gb / dvd-cdrw / radeon 9700 64mb ipw2200
[06:35] <|trey|> billytwowilly, You can turn off Spatial... then you get a "Tree" view option... I am sure you can turn off that prompt in gconf-editor if you search... they are just not the defaults...
[06:35] <Skif> x0563511: in that case, don't play around with 'init <foo>', just use it as it comes :)
[06:35] <jdub> billytwowilly: debian runlevels do not work the same way as red hat runlevels.
[06:35] <billytwowilly> hypa7ia, yours looks nicer than mine, but I probably paid less for mine;)
[06:35] <x0563511> Skif, yes, it does
[06:35] <jdub> billytwowilly: the error you're getting with the wmv files is a bug that needs to be fixed.
[06:35] <hypa7ia> billytwowilly: quite possibly... but i got mine barebones and didn't pay the M$ tax :-)
[06:35] <Skif> x0563511: if it hurts when you do that, then, um, stop doing that?
[06:35] <billytwowilly> jdub, can I turn off that prompt? that's just irritating. I know if I'm opening something that will mess up my system too bad or not;)
[06:36] <jdub> billytwowilly: no, it's a bug that needs to be fixed.
[06:36] <|trey|> jdub, Seems they went to a lot of effort to write the error though... its got a lot of text etc warning about it being unsafe...
[06:36] <x0563511> arg! is there a way to get gnome to behave more like WinXP (windows open in same window, not new... apps appear on RIGHT of task bar, not left)
[06:36] <billytwowilly> hypa7ia, me too;)
[06:36] <x0563511> Skif, i had to, to install the nvidia binaries
[06:36] <mbb_> anyone have time/inclination to help me get wireless working? Dlink G650, works with Mepis live CD. Not with Warty (so far!)
[06:36] <jdub> |trey|: yes, in the right situations, it's good protection. the dialogue itself is not a bug, of course.
[06:37] <|trey|> jdub, would be nice to have a "trust media" option or so... but untrusted should still prompt  :)
[06:37] <BrittBS> x0563511: to turn of spatial file browsing, under Edit-Preferences, then Behavior, tick Always open in browser windows
[06:37] <Skif> x0563511: *shrug* I don't have any nvidia hardware, so I'll take your word for it, but last time I wanted to, I don't recall having to muck with that... I just compiled the kernel bits, rebooted, and poof it was there.
[06:37] <jdub> |trey|: no, the solution is to fix the bug. not provide a workaround.
[06:37] <Skif> Admittedly, that was, what, 4 years ago?  Maybe 5?
[06:37] <thoreauputic> x0563511: and you can move stuff around on the taskbar
[06:37] <billytwowilly> jdub, yah, it seems like they put it in on purpose, but then forgot that wmv has asf video. I'd like to just turn it off.
[06:37] <x0563511> Skif, the nvidia installer wines about X running, you have to shut it down first
[06:37] <Skif> ah
[06:37] <|trey|> jdub, I don't understand how its a bug  :(
[06:38] <billytwowilly> nvidia hardware is cake to install
[06:38] <jdub> |trey|: the dialogue appearing in that situation is a bug, because the media types should be understood.
[06:38] <x0563511> Well, im running windows still, and just learning linux, so i will take as many similarities (at first) as i can
[06:38] <Skif> I didn't use that, I just downloaded the "source" (including lame binary module), compiled, and installed
[06:38] <|trey|> jdub, ahh... I can see the bug there  :)
[06:38] <x0563511> arg... im trying to compile something, and i keep downloading just the libraries, not the dev libriaries.
[06:38] <Skif> I must be the only person in the world that likes spatial nautilus, but maybe I'm just nostaglic for mac os 6.8.1
[06:38] <x0563511> not that thats a problem
[06:39] <x0563511> but when i make the same mistake 5 times...
[06:39] <thoreauputic> x0563511: try playing with middle click on your task bar launchers - you can shift them around
[06:39] <hypa7ia> Skif: i like it :-)
[06:39] <BrittBS> Skif: nah, I love spatial :)
[06:39] <x0563511> thoreauputic, no effect. I have a 3 button, USB mouse, emulate3button set to false
[06:40] <billytwowilly> oh yah, and gnome doesn't appear to have the middle click/right click on maximize to vertically or horizontally maximize a window, which was awesome in kde
[06:40] <|trey|> Skif, I find ctrl+l useful... that pretty much takes care of all the problems I had at first with it  :)
[06:40] <x0563511> thoreauputic, but emulate3button was true by default, till i cought it while updating my XF86config-4 for nvidia
[06:40] <Skif> x0563511: unless this changed from the preview, the default icons on the taskbar are locked; you have to right-click and select "unlock" to be able to move them.
[06:40] <x0563511> er, im talking about the bottom bar, the one that shows running windows
[06:40] <Skif> Ohmer, that one
[06:40] <Skif> erik, bah nick completion
[06:41] <Skif> bah bah
[06:41] <|trey|> jdub, should have a File > Location menu item though... would be easier to find that dialogue...
[06:41] <Skif> er, is this working
[06:41] <Skif> hurrah
[06:41] <jdub> |trey|: ?
[06:41] <Skif> jdub: for nautilus
[06:41] <|trey|> jdub, for ctrl+l in nautilus  :)
[06:42] <x0563511> yay XMMS is building (finally). I dont like that built in music application AT ALL
[06:42] <BrittBS> |trey|: file->open location
[06:42] <jdub> |trey|: File > Open Location...   Ctrl+L
[06:42] <jdub> ^ the exact text in the menu
[06:42] <|trey|> Ahh... I knew that...
[06:42] <jdub> x0563511: why didn't you install the xmms binaries?
[06:42] <Skif> x0563511: I don't mind it, I actually like it better than xmms, but then I run my desktop at work at 1600x1200, and xmms is bloody unreadable at that resolution
[06:43] <billytwowilly> hmm. rythmbox is taking forever to scan all my mp3s... it's been an hour.. I only have 16 GB.. come on..
[06:43] <x0563511> jdub, every time ive done that, gnome complaines about copywrites and wont play mp3s. when i build xmms from source, the plugin is built and i have no issues
[06:43] <klasiphyd> how do i update grub if i don't have grub-update
[06:43] <jdub> x0563511: when you've done that on fedora, sure.
[06:43] <hypa7ia> billytwowilly: something is wrong methinks.  only took me like 1 min for 5 gb
[06:43] <x0563511> jdub, not like i like mp3, but i dont really feel keen on converting my 900mb+ 35 hour DJDawn collection
[06:43] <jdub> x0563511: it merely requires the mp3 plugin, which is installed by default.
[06:43] <billytwowilly> well, it's over the network as well, via nfs..
[06:44] <jdub> x0563511: it is xmms showing that dialogue, not gnome, because the mp3 plugin is not there
[06:44] <Skif> |trey|: me, too; I tried at first, and I just end saying 'bah' and going to a shell anyway
[06:44] <seek187> hmmm shouldn't there be more apt sources ? I dont have mplayer or nothing in Synaptcs????
[06:44] <x0563511> jdub, ya, i know. Dummy MP3 plugin
[06:44] <x0563511> jdub, oh well, its building already, so...
[06:44] <jdub> x0563511: so you should stop it and install the version provided by ubuntu
[06:44] <|trey|> Skif, I just don't like clicking that much... I don't want to move my arm, its comfortable  :(
[06:44] <don> Any reason why I'm getting: chown: changing group of `/home/don/Desktop/HDD2': Read-only file system
[06:45] <x0563511> jdub, just as well, cause it borked up. I got synaptic DLing it now
[06:45] <|trey|> don, yes, its read only...
[06:45] <don> The folder or the actual drive..?
[06:46] <|trey|> don, that dir...
[06:46] <seek187> how do I download mplayer??
[06:46] <x0563511> why is that read only? You mean i can't change whats on my "start menu" (windows user, deal with me...)
[06:46] <Thock> Could anyone give me a little help with WartyWarthog and WiFi? i can't get my PCMICA card detected and working.
[06:46] <|trey|> seek187, add multiverse and 'apt-get install mplayer-686' (or -nogui, -386, or k6)
[06:47] <don> trey, I've tried chmod'ing it to 777 numerous times.
[06:47] <kapputu> hi all
[06:47] <seek187> multiverse hmmm ok
[06:47] <|trey|> don, mount -o umask=000,defaults
[06:47] <seek187> ohhhh I see ok thanks
[06:48] <|trey|> uhh, sudo mount
[06:48] <thoreauputic> x0563511: windows must be the only OS where you click "start" when you wanrt to stop...
[06:48] <don> perfect!
[06:48] <x0563511> ok... im having an issue
[06:48] <seek187> lol
[06:48] <x0563511> im trying to mount my windows partition (NTFS) to /windows
[06:48] <x0563511> i made the windows mountpoint, and it mounts properly
[06:49] <seek187> me to :/
[06:49] <|trey|> thoreauputic, I never shut down anyways... and you can just hit power button breifly to shut down "correctly"...
[06:49] <x0563511> but whenever i try to open it... i don't have the "permissions" to access it, but the sudo prompt does it fine
[06:49] <don> trey, I can view it in the actual folder, but it's still read only. Is it because it's NTFS?
[06:49] <x0563511> chmod a+rx /windows does not help
[06:49] <janice> mercurus: Thank you for all the help. It is much, much appreciated.
[06:49] <|trey|> don, ahh... yes...
[06:49] <don> I thought so
[06:50] <|trey|> don, there is a project to modify files located on an ntfs partition, not sure if there are packages for Ubuntu though...
[06:50] <don> A friend told me the name of one package, let me see if I can find that
[06:51] <|trey|> thoreauputic, and on Unix based systems... you actually start init 0...
[06:51] <thoreauputic> |trey|: captive, I think it's called - but it's experimental at this stage I believe
[06:51] <billytwowilly> how do I make gaim not pop up chat windows automagically? I'd rather get a warning or something
[06:51] <don> "you can use the wrapper driver around ntfs.sys, that one is safe"
[06:51] <|trey|> thoreauputic, I believe so yes...
[06:52] <x0563511> anyone?
[06:52] <thoreauputic> |trey|: I actually type shutdown -h now , which seems logical - or `halt`
[06:53] <seek187> I have the same problem as x0563511 also
[06:53] <janice> I want to thank everyone for helping me tonight. I look forward to learning Ubuntu. I will be sure to come back and help others as I learn this new distribution.
[06:53] <don> Is there a quick way to install apache through ubuntu?
[06:53] <don> +php/mysql
[06:53] <|trey|> thoreauputic, what do you think that does? it starts all the kill scripts in /etc/rc2.d
[06:54] <BrittBS> don: apt-get install apache2
[06:54] <x0563511> dur!
[06:54] <mercurus> janice: no worries, all sorted ?
[06:54] <x0563511> i don't even need to get on THIS machines NTFS
[06:54] <x0563511> can i mount a samba share?
[06:54] <thoreauputic> |trey|: yes, yes, I'm aware of that... thank you for sharing
[06:55] <|trey|> uhh... rc0.d even  :/
[06:55] <BrittBS> x0563511: check out Network under Computer
[06:55] <x0563511> BrittBS, i need to connect to c$, a hidden share
[06:55] <|trey|> thoreauputic, I just think every OS does a job  :/
[06:55] <thoreauputic> |trey|: to mimic windows, set default runlevel to 6 ;)
[06:56] <x0563511> BrittBS, i can do it by typing it in manually, so is there a way to mount that directory to an empty one on my linux box?
[06:56] <don> BrittBS, PHP and MySQL?

[06:56] <x0563511> thoreauputic, evil...
[06:56] <thoreauputic> hehehe
[06:56] <BrittBS> don: apt-get intall libapache2-mod-php4
[06:56] <x0563511> thoreauputic, honestly, its not THAT bad. but it pisses me off when windows takes 3 min to disable and re-enable my LAN link (no more than 3 SECONDS in ubuntu)
[06:56] <don> do I need to add anything on for it to automatically detect MySQL?
[06:57] <BrittBS> don: use apt-cache search (from cli) or synaptic to do searches for packages btw
[06:57] <don> k
[06:57] <|trey|> x0563511, try waiting around on a RIS image or dcpromo sometime...
[06:57] <thoreauputic> x0563511: I know, actually XP isn't *too* bad - I'm not an OS bigot :)
[06:57] <BrittBS> x0563511: yes, /etc/fstab
[06:58] <|trey|> x0563511, compared to editing a single file and restarting samba, its a pain to dcpromo  :(
[06:58] <x0563511> BrittBS, will it mount the following fstab line? "smb://L103/c$    /windows    ntfs    ro,noauto,user  0  0"?
[06:59] <BrittBS> x0563511: not sure, i haven't done that myself
[06:59] <mercurus> heh, gnome-applets disk mount really doesn't like mounting non-existant CDs ...
[06:59] <x0563511> "Can't get address for smb" when i try "mount smb://L103/c$ /windows"