[14:19] <sitwano> hey guys
[14:19] <sitwano> has mutter 3.24.4 increased performance?
[15:34] <HaaPut> I am trying to run a cronjob  with nfs home folder. I get the the following error : "process:21267): dconf-WARNING **: failed to commit changes to dconf: Cannot autolaunch D-Bus without X11 $DISPLAY"


[16:52] <irgendwer4711> hi, I have a problem with this bugfix #1778265. MODULE_SOFTDEP is missing on one of my machines.
[17:30] <tomreyn> i bet you won't make a lot of progress like this. if something is wrong in ubuntu, file a bug. if something is wrong in your custom built kernel, use an ubuntu kernel instead.
[17:42] <irgendwer4711> tomreyn: you are still annyoing and still not helpful
[19:40] <tomreyn> thanks for reassuring me!
[19:40] <tomreyn> i bet you get a lot of help in general with this approach
[19:45] <apw> LP: #1778265
[19:47] <apw> irgendwer4711, there is little information to go on there, please file a bug with more details, agianst the kernel package
[19:52] <irgendwer4711> apw: its already filed below
[19:53] <apw> irgendwer4711, below what
[19:53] <irgendwer4711> apw: 1778265
[19:54] <apw> that says three words, which isn't really enough to be going anywhere with
[19:54] <apw> perhaps paste the output of something which isn't working
[19:54] <apw> and put it in its own bug
[19:54] <apw> as that one is closed and noone is going to notice your updates
[19:55] <irgendwer4711> apw: there is no output of a missing softdep
[19:55] <apw> so you would presumably have a failure, such as the thing needing it would not load or something
[19:55] <irgendwer4711> I could provide kernel config
[19:56] <apw> when you file the bug, and it gives me the version i can look up the kernel config
[19:56] <apw> we keep those from all our builds
[19:59] <irgendwer4711> apw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1786713
[20:01] <irgendwer4711> apw: kernel  4.15.17 is working fine


[00:07] <txwikinger> Is there still an alternate installation CD?
[00:08] <txwikinger> Or do we have a kubuntu netboot image?
[01:00] <Riddell> txwikinger: normal ubuntu netboot image
[01:00] <Riddell> you can select which flavour during install
[01:07] <txwikinger> Riddell: oh cool. did not know that
[01:08] <txwikinger> I always expect to be forced into unity :-)
[01:14] <Noskcaj> Anyone up for a packaging challenge? I think i've found one none of you could do. (i have no idea what i'm doing)
[01:40] <txwikinger> well. the saucy netboot still freezes ... raring works
[08:24] <smartboyhw> No replies about cauchy descriptions:(
[08:25] <lordievader> Hey congratulations smartboyhw :D
[08:26] <lordievader> And good morning to all.
[08:41] <smartboyhw> lordievader, thank you
[08:51] <Noskcaj> congrats smartboyhw
[08:51] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, thanks
[08:51] <Noskcaj> I've got a packaging "challenge" for you too
[08:51] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, oy?
[08:52] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, interesting, what's that? Got to go out in 30 minutes though
[08:52] <Noskcaj> Make quilt work with http://mentors.debian.net/package/gambc , or make it multiarch, or make it work with the latest upstream release. I spent all of today working on it, no success
[08:53] <Noskcaj> so really, how can i waste as much time as possible
[08:53] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, how doesn't quilt not work, first of all?
[08:54] <smartboyhw> Anyway, dget-ing the pacakge
[08:54] <Noskcaj> the original maintainer had some wierd debian/rules and dpatch hacks. It won't build with quilt. two debian mentors and i all looked at it
[08:55] <Noskcaj> That version i uploaded was just to make it a bit less broken, and slightly newer
[08:56] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, quilt of course doesn't work, no series files-.-
[08:56] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, been there, tried that
[08:56] <Noskcaj> look in debian/rules first
[08:56] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, oh, I get it
[08:56] <Noskcaj> Also, every build requires a fresh tarball
[08:56] <smartboyhw> Ew, that's the old type of debian/rules file.
[08:59] <Noskcaj> it's 3 years old, what did you expect?
[08:59] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, it never worked with dh ?
[08:59] <smartboyhw> huh
[08:59] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, That broke the dpatch stuff
[09:00] <Noskcaj> If you find a way to get this working, you will have a fanclub, just like pitti
[09:00] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, LOL
[09:03] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, I fixed quilt 'ere;P
[09:06] <Noskcaj> see f it builds
[09:07] <Noskcaj> I got it to patch as well, but not to build
[09:07] <smartboyhw> Noskcaj, I'm installing the build-deps (but at least no fuzz or something)
[09:07] <Noskcaj> ok
[09:10] <smartboyhw> Hmm, make[2]: ../gsc-comp: Command not found
[09:10] <smartboyhw>  (I'm thinking of some missing build-dep
[09:11] <smartboyhw> !find gsc-comp saucy
[09:11] <smartboyhw> Ouch
[09:11] <smartboyhw> !find usr/bin/gsc-comp saucy
[09:11] <Noskcaj> smartboyhw, It's a file that runs in the thing you're trying to package. gambit scheme -comp i assume
[09:12] <yofel> smartboyhw: look at '../gsc-comp' - that's a relative path inside the package
[09:22] <smartboyhw> yofel, I don't see that script existing anywhere within the package
[09:22] <yofel> that might be the issue ^^
[09:22] <yofel> let's see...
[09:25] <yofel> smartboyhw: well, according to rules it's generated during build
[09:31] <yofel> that package gives me a headache
[09:31] <Noskcaj> lol
[09:33]  * yofel isn't sure why using dpatch is a lintian error
[09:33] <yofel> sure, it's old, like really old, but it works fine >.>
[11:38] <soee> good morning
[11:40] <lordievader> Hey soee
[12:04] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:06] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[12:17] <Mamarok> smartboyhw: congrsatulations btw :)
[12:18] <Mamarok> smartboyhw: just a little remark: blog posts on planetkde.org should be KDE specific, you can aggregate with a KDE hastag, normally all blog sites should support that
[13:52] <smartboyhw> Mamarok, OK
[13:52] <smartboyhw> yofel, able to solve that out?
[13:56] <yofel> smartboyhw: can you put what you have in a branch somewhere or so? I don't really want to do the whole quilt rewrite myself
[13:56] <yofel> if you give me the link I'll take a look later, now I'm gone for a while
[13:56] <smartboyhw> yofel, that is without the copyright headers, is it acceptable?
[13:56] <yofel> what copyright headers?
[13:56] <smartboyhw> yofel, um, the original dpatch has the author name there
[13:57] <yofel> in the patch?
[13:57] <yofel> that's what DEP-3 is for?
[13:58] <smartboyhw> yofel, I haven't set those DEP-3 yet.
[13:59] <smartboyhw> Maybe I will set it and give you the link
[14:00] <yofel> well, I have no intention of finishing it myself, I can try to figure out what's wrong then I'll leave the rest to you ^^
[14:00] <smartboyhw> yofel, technically, you and I figure out what's wrong, and we'll leave the rest to Noskcaj.
[14:00] <yofel> agreed
[14:01]  * yofel gone
[14:52] <smartboyhw> yofel, see if you can access https://www.dropbox.com/sh/m2jguq8mbeta61w/ClFCHsi9fz
[16:26] <smartboyhw> !language
[16:26] <smartboyhw> (Sorry, just copying stuff to another chan)
[18:57] <tester56> hi, icon tasks "show launcher when not running" is currently broken in saucy .... has anyone noticed this yet?


[03:04] <efm> I'm checking out a package and am getting an errro
[03:04] <efm> The authenticity of host 'bazaar.launchpad.net (<IP_ADDRESS>)' can't be established.
[03:04] <efm> RSA key fingerprint is 9d:38:3a:63:b1:d5:6f:c4:44:67:53:49:2e:ee:fc:89.
[03:04] <efm> No matching host key fingerprint found in DNS.
[16:36] <DarkPlayer> hi, can some admin please change the upstream git repo url in this branch https://code.launchpad.net/pipelight from git://fds-team.de/pipelight.git to git://repos.fds-team.de/pipelight.git ?
[17:17] <cjwatson> DarkPlayer: sure - done
[17:18] <DarkPlayer> cjwatson: thank you


[00:01] <persia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix?action=recall&rev=16
[00:01] <persia> But that's not a live page.  If you want that page to be live, chat with dholbach.
[00:01] <nigelb> I was thinking of making it a page under reviewers team knowledge base
[07:18] <dholbach> good morning
[12:14] <nigelb> dholbach: doing a session on patch review during UOW might be a bit too technical?
[12:15] <nigelb> I'm planning, but unsure if the topic fits into UOW
[12:15] <dholbach> no, I think it's fine
[12:15] <dholbach> we've had technical sessions there before
[12:15] <nigelb> the thing I fear is, the entry barrier might be a bit too high
[12:16] <dholbach> I think it's fine if you set expectations
[12:16] <dholbach> it's perfectly acceptable to demo something that is not for everybody
[12:16] <nigelb> like, we expect you to know $foo1, $foo2, etc?
[12:16] <dholbach> if you make it clear what's required people at least will have heard about it
[12:16] <dholbach> and if they decide "this is not for me" that's fine
[12:17] <nigelb> aha, okay.  I'll get around to doing it then :)
[12:17] <nigelb> btw, a session is planned for april 7th too!
[12:17] <dholbach> awesome!
[12:17] <dholbach> good work
[12:17] <nigelb> :)
[12:32] <nperry> hello guys, just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Neil Perry, and this afternoon I'm very much going to help review these patches
[12:32] <nigelb> nperry: great :)
[12:32] <nigelb> you can see the topic for a link to the wiki
[12:32] <nigelb> so, basically, just keep reviewing the subscribed bugs
[12:32] <nigelb> if you get stuck, have any questions, please ask here
[12:32] <nperry> Just to confirm the basic workflow. Pick a patch, download patch, download source, apply patch, test if it builds, test if it fixes the bug, forward upstream
[12:33] <nigelb> yup, pretty much
[12:33] <nigelb> nperry: but ask the reviewer if he can forward, so he can receive feedback appropriately
[12:34] <nigelb> like follow $foo guidelines or $foo1 style guide
[12:34] <nigelb> nperry: ugh, s/reviewer/submitter ^^
[12:34] <nperry> Oh right, so patch maker forwards.
[12:34] <nperry> nigelb: I knew what you meant :P
[12:35] <nigelb> yep, if he doesn't respond, forward after you fw days, you can do it with credit to himher
[12:35] <nperry> nigelb: Is it best if i assign the buy to myself or mark it in progress?
[12:35] <nperry> t/buy/bug
[12:36] <nigelb> we dont change the bug status until someone is actually working to get it into ubuntu
[12:36] <nigelb> i.e. packaging it
[12:36] <nigelb> nperry: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReviewersTeam/GettingInvolved might help
[12:36] <nperry> Ok, just wanted to check as i don't want to tread on anyones feet as to speak
[12:37] <nigelb> nperry: there are very few feet here ;)
[12:38] <nperry> Ok, do you suggest me working with a package i know to start off with?
[12:38] <nigelb> start with bugs which the reviewers team are subscribed
[12:38] <nigelb> you see the link in /topic
[12:38] <nigelb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-reviewers/+subscribedbugs
[12:43] <yofel> I set bug 546220 to accepted by debian as they fixed it, is that right? and I guess the reviewer teams should be unsubscribed now.
[12:43] <ubot3> Malone bug 546220 in nginx "Include GeoIP support in nginx" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/546220
[12:43] <yofel> s/teams/team
[12:47] <nigelb> yofel: done.  you might want to do a sync after getting an ffe
[12:52] <yofel> thx
[12:57] <nperry> nigelb: Right so ive got a patch in bug 251335 that won't patch
[12:57] <ubot3> Malone bug 251335 in synaptic "Synaptic searches on UI thread" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/251335
[12:57] <nperry> Getting Hunk #1 FAILED at 47.
[12:59] <yofel> that reminds me, now that we have a proper wiki the link on https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-reviewers should be adjusted
[12:59] <nperry> nigelb: whats the best thing to do?
[13:02] <nigelb> nperry: checking
[13:03] <nigelb> nperry: something on line 47 is failing.  i.e. the patch does not apply cleanly
[13:07] <nperry> nigelb: Do i myself recreate the patch or just tell the submitter?
[13:08] <nigelb> tell the submitter, if you dont get a response with reasonable amount of waiting, you can get down to it
[13:08] <nperry> Ok :)
[13:10] <nperry> nigelb: Might be helpful for somone to make a replied wiki page :P
[13:10] <nigelb> nperry: replied?
[13:11] <nperry> Yeah, changed tag too :)
[13:22] <nigelb> oh, you mean list that has been worked on?
[13:22] <nigelb> thats what the tags are for, you only work on bug with only patch tag
[13:23] <nperry> nigelb: I know :) i just changed it to patch-needswork
[13:24] <nigelb> so, when I see that you've changed a tag, I skip the bug
[13:26] <nperry> nigelb: Or do you want there to be two tags patch & patch-needswork?
[13:41] <nigelb> nperry: just one.  there is a script which needs to be edited, dont worry about that
[13:41] <nigelb> subscribe to the bug
[13:41] <nigelb> and give me bug# so I can unsubscribe reviewers
[13:42] <nigelb> dholbach: can you point the launchpad reviewers page to the new wiki page?
[13:42] <nigelb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReviewersTeam
[13:49] <dholbach> done
[13:50] <dholbach> can you see if bdmurray can have a look over the pages?
[14:07] <nigelb> dholbach: will do :)
[14:07] <nigelb> I asked bryce to take a look and he did some review


[14:32] <Philipp_> !help
[14:32] <Zinn> !help For a  complete list of my knowledge visit: http://www.baablogic.net/Zinn.cgi  Other available commands: !status, !about, !bug [bug_number].
[14:34] <Philipp_> hi...i need help installing mythbuntu...anyone there?
[15:59]  * ubuntuaddicted is away: I'm busy
[16:00]  * ubuntuaddicted is away: leaving sorry


[02:12] <tmh__> can I install launchpad tools such as blueprint on my own private server? where is the source code?
[02:14] <Fujitsu> tmh__: No, it's not currently open source.
[02:31] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[02:31] <ajmitch> hi mpt
[02:36] <Nafallo> mpt: morning :-)
[03:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68111 in malone "Message warning of lack of bug watch is too wordy" [Low,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68111
[08:41] <mpt> spiv, have you noticed WARNINGs during make schema?
[08:47] <stub> There are two I think at the moment which remind us that we have only partially completed some schema modification.
[08:47] <stub> (but I can't recall just what, so it isn't doing a brilliant job...0
[08:47] <stub> )
[08:52] <mpt> right
[08:54] <carlos> morning!
[08:55] <jamesh> stub: did you end up running product-release-finder in production?
[08:56] <stub> jamesh: Yes. lifeless even gave me a blow job.
[08:58] <jamesh> great.  Do you have a log of the run somewhere?
[08:58] <jamesh> or would it be on the launchpad-errors list?
[09:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68126 in launchpad "Mirror prober go boom on staging" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68126
[09:03] <carlos> do we have a launchpad-dependencies package for Edgy?
[09:04] <jamesh> carlos: if we do, then it is in a third party repo I don't know about
[09:05] <carlos> I know we were supposed to have it
[09:05] <carlos> but I saw nothing about it in our mailing list
[09:22] <jamesh> carlos: http://people.ubuntu.com/~robertc/lp-depends/ <- looks promising, but doesn't seem to have been updated since all the Python packages dropped the "2.4" suffixes
[09:22] <carlos> I see, ok. Thanks
[09:24] <stub> jamesh: devpad.canonical.com:~stub/product-release-finder.log
[09:24] <jamesh> stub: cheers
[09:25] <stub> (yes I restarted it - it was running for a bit before I remembered I should be running it under screen)
[09:31] <SteveA> morning
[09:39] <jml> good evening
[09:44] <SteveA> mpt: got anything for me to merge to brilliant?
[09:46] <mpt> SteveA, pushing the front page right now, I'll let you know when it's done
[09:46] <mpt> plus pagetest fixes
[09:46] <mpt> Other pagetest fixes are in PQM right now to land on mainline
[09:46] <mpt> so you'll need to merge from mainline to get all the fixes
[09:47] <SteveA> ok.  if they're just test fixes, then I can still merge and push out changes to brilliant
[09:47] <mpt> right
[09:47] <SteveA> then merge in devel later today and merge the ui branch to pqm
[10:02] <mpt> SteveA, 2006-08-ui has finished pushing
[10:12] <mpt> SteveA, it looks like my front page work has caused more test failures though
[10:15] <carlos> stub: hi, could you give me a patch number and db review for https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/carlos/launchpad/bug-2322/full-diff ?
[10:15] <carlos>  stub: jamesh did already the code review
[10:15] <carlos>  so I just need the db number to merge it
[10:32] <stub> carlos: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/filerToPwd.html
[10:32] <carlos> stub: ok, thanks!
[10:33] <stub> carlos: PostgreSQL will optimize sequential JOIN's normally, but there are so many that it thinks you are doing it deliberately to optimize the join order. Rewriting it like that lets it do its thing.
[10:34] <carlos> ok
[10:34] <carlos> I just copied what main db schema has and removed the field from it
[10:39] <jamesh> stub: carlos's version uses left joins.  Doesn't your version do inner joins?
[10:39] <stub> carlos: Urgh... scratch that. I rewrite the LEFT OUTER joings to INNERs
[10:39] <stub> yer
[10:39] <stub> (I always say LEFT OUTER instead of LEFT so I don't get confused)
[10:40] <stub> carlos: Use your original, same patch number
[10:40] <jamesh> well, there isn't such thing as a left inner join
[10:40] <stub> jamesh: There is at the end of a sprint ay
[10:40] <jamesh> so I usually just say join, left join, right join and outer join
[10:40] <stub> day
[10:41] <carlos> jamesh: good catch!
[10:41] <mpt> SteveA, test fixes have landed on mainline
[10:42] <SteveA> ok
[10:44] <SteveA> jamesh: I'd think "join" would mean "cross product"
[10:44] <SteveA> but then, that's not useful mostly
[10:44] <jamesh> SteveA: in terms of SQL, it is "foo join bar on condition"
[10:45] <jamesh> SteveA: it is a cross product
[10:46] <jamesh> an outer join is also a cross product, but also returns the rows where the condition evaluates to NULL (effectively)
[10:47] <SteveA> for those reading along at home, here's a nice summary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Join_%28SQL%29
[10:49] <SteveA> mpt: I merged from rf/devel and resolved a conflict in the Makefile
[10:49] <jamesh> yeah.  My description of outer joins is wrong
[10:50] <SteveA> it's wikipedia.  you can make your description right be editing that page.
[10:50] <SteveA> mpt: sftp://devpad.canonical.com/code/stevea/launchpad/ui
[11:34] <lifeless> malcc ping
[11:34] <malcc> lifeless: pong
[11:34] <lifeless> malcc: trying it this way
[11:34] <lifeless> hi
[11:35] <lifeless> so, PPA - we've been talking about a thing called SourcePackageBranch
[11:35] <lifeless> which will be used to ty bzr branches and soyuz otgether
[11:35] <lifeless> s/ty/tie
[11:35] <malcc> Ok
[11:41] <jamesh> spiv: I assigned brad's branch to you for review since he said you'd handled it before.  You might want to ask him for an incremental diff since it sounds like you've reviewed part of it before.
[11:41] <spiv> jamesh: I always note revision numbers in reviews subject lines, so it shouldn't be too hard to calculate the diff myself...
[11:42] <jamesh> spiv: brad gave the last reviewed revision in the description
[11:43] <spiv> Even better.
[11:44] <lifeless> sorry, link glitch
[11:44] <lifeless> malcc: so, when PPA comes in, what information will I need to know to be able to use a buildd to do a bzr checkout and then run dpkg-buildpackage -S in there, and from outside the xen instance gpg sign it
[11:44] <lifeless> and finally submit the result to the upload queue
[11:46] <lifeless> malcc: and is there already a spec on this ? :)
[11:46] <malcc> lifeless: I don't think there's a spec on this, but I'm still trying to catch up with what "this" is :)
[11:46] <malcc> lifeless: You're talking about building for PPAs in a NoMoreSourcePackages kinda way?
[11:46] <lifeless> malcc: yes, and for real distros too
[11:47] <lifeless> I'm knida getting low food wise now, so will try to catch up more seriously on this next week
[11:47] <malcc> lifeless: Since we need a source package for publication anyway, I assumed we'd create a procedure to make a source package from the branch
[11:47] <malcc> lifeless: And then let everything else proceed as it does today
[11:47] <lifeless> but for now, has the soyuz side of NMSP been well specced ?
[11:48] <lifeless> malcc: making a SP from the branch involves the checkout and dpkg-buildpackage -S
[11:48] <malcc> lifeless: No, NMSP is barely on our radar as of yet
[11:48] <lifeless> malcc: that runs user code
[11:48] <lifeless> malcc: so it needs to run under xen
[11:48] <malcc> lifeless: Ah, right, now I follow
[11:48] <malcc> lifeless: So the step you're talking about is precisely that sourcepackage building step
[11:48] <lifeless> thats the step that I know of, but not about, the machinery in soyuz to make happen
[11:49] <malcc> Well we'll need to set up Xen-based buildds to do the PPA building, so I'd hope there's not much extra machinery needed to use them for dpkg-buildpackage -S
[11:49] <malcc> But as of yet we have no machinery
[11:50] <lifeless> can I feed requirements in ?
[11:50] <malcc> Yes
[11:50] <lifeless> I need to run:
[11:50] <lifeless> 'bzr checkout' from either inside or outside of xen. This will require http access to the supermirror (which is accessible on an internal http side)
[11:50] <lifeless> 'dpkg-buildpackage -S' from inside xen.
[11:51] <lifeless> 'dpkg-signpackage' (IIR the command right) from outside xen with a local gpg key.
[11:51] <lifeless> in that order
[11:51] <malcc> lifeless: Makes sense
[11:51] <lifeless> and then I will have the result to hand over to your upload queue as files on disk.
[11:55] <lifeless> well, see you tomorrow.
[12:07] <SteveA> jamesh, spiv: can we talk about launchpad-dependencies for a few minutes?
[12:07] <jamesh> sure.
[12:07] <SteveA> I asked stuart to take this on, but he's currently very busy with sprints and such
[12:08] <SteveA> so, here's what I suggest: we use bugs to track what we want in the package
[12:08] <SteveA> etienne is doing the actual packaging, and is just waiting for our requirements
[12:09] <SteveA> so to sort it out, how about filing a bug listing the dependencies we know about for dapper, and one for edgy
[12:09] <jamesh> lifeless asked for bug reports to be filed at https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad-development-infrastructure
[12:09] <SteveA> I'm not sure if we need a separate package for developers and one for deployment on servers
[12:09] <SteveA> probably do
[12:09] <SteveA> that place is fine to file bugs
[12:10] <SteveA> so, if you'd like to get things moving, file a bug describing what we need, and ensure that stu is subscribed to it and etienne is assigned to it
[12:10] <SteveA> then mention it to etienne by email/irc
[12:10] <SteveA> what do you think?
[12:10] <jamesh> sounds good
[12:12] <jamesh> I've noticed that a few of the changes in edgy cause problems for running launchpad
[12:13] <jamesh> for instance, we try to run a "twistd2.4" script, and there now appears to only be a "twistd" script.
[12:20] <SteveA> right
[12:20] <SteveA> I think we should all be using these packages.  It's also helpful when new people join the team.
[12:22] <jamesh> perhaps in the case of twisted we should be invoking the versions inside our tree
[12:22] <jamesh> sourcecode/twisted/bin/twistd and trial
[12:27] <SteveA> that's a good point
[12:28] <SteveA> it's probably just a coincidence that using the OS versions works
[12:35] <jml> which version of twisted is in your tree?
[12:57] <SteveA> jordi: ping
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68161 in launchpad "Launchpad should use in-tree versions of twistd and trial" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68161
[01:13] <carlos> later!
[01:14] <lucasvo> jamesh: wasn't every 2.4 package renamed?
[01:14] <jamesh> lucasvo: yeah.  Above I was talking about executable names though.
[01:14] <lucasvo> ah, ok
[01:14] <jamesh> lucasvo: in dapper, a /usr/bin/twistd2.4 script was installed, and in edgy there isn't.
[01:31] <malcc> SteveA: Ping
[01:38] <jordi> SteveA: pong
[01:43] <SteveA> malcc: hi
[01:54] <spiv> jamesh: yeah, it would be better to use the twistd in our tree.  It'll be at sourcecode/twisted/bin/twistd.
[01:55] <spiv> jml: some random version of trunk that has a sufficiently new version of twisted.vfs, it doesn't correspond exactly to a particular release.
[01:56] <spiv> jml: Ah, it's a snapshot of SVN r17186 in fact.
[01:56] <spiv> Hmm, I wonder if the version in edgy is new enough?
[01:57] <spiv> Although, I have a suspicion the supermirror sftp server is likely to keep needing the bleeding edge as it develops.
[02:25] <salgado> hey spiv.  how about that bug 54791?
[02:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 54791 in launchpad "The mirror prober should check a few files from each mirror in paralel instead of a lot of files from a single mirror" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/54791
[02:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68175 in launchpad-bazaar "vcs import should report cvs config and svn externals information" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68175
[04:14] <carlos> danilo[out] : ping
[04:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68189 in launchpad "execute_zcml_for_scripts should support different setup when run under tests" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68189
[04:42] <salgado> spiv, no love from you, eh?
[05:06] <danilos> carlos: pong
[05:06] <carlos> danilos: hi, do you got your VISA ?
[05:07] <danilos> carlos: yeah, I did, but Americans are real silly: I got it for 3 years, and my passport is valid until 2008 :)
[05:07] <carlos> X-)
[05:08] <carlos> well, they gave you 3 years, but it's your fault you can only use it for next 2 years... :-P
[05:08] <carlos> danilos: I wanted to ask you about the status of your Firefox branch
[05:08] <danilos> hah, yeah, sure :) the common visa issuance requirement is to have passport that is valid at least 6 months after the end of your visa
[05:08] <danilos> or trip, or something like that
[05:09] <danilos> carlos: well, I think I uploaded it
[05:09] <danilos> unless I messed something up, let me recheck
[05:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68200 in launchpad-support-tracker "dateanswered really tracks confirmation date" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68200
[05:10] <spiv> jamesh: it turns out the diff for bradb's malone-release-management on pending-reviews is the one I need to review, because the last reviewed revision has been merged to rf.
[05:11] <spiv> jamesh: (and in fact so have some later ones that got merged as [trivial] )
[05:11] <carlos> danilos: well, from what I see at https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/danilo/launchpad/firefox-import/full-diff (it was generated one hour ago) nothing changed since yesterday
[05:15] <danilos> carlos: (bzr push is taking quite some time; apparently it hasn't been pushed through last time)
[05:15] <danilos> btw carlos, did you manage to track the "reverting to old translations" bug people have started to report?
[05:16] <BjornT> spiv: fwiw, the revision of malone-release-management was indeed merged to rf, but then later it was pulled out. so you shouldn't have to review everything again, although it's hard to produce a good diff of the changes made, so maybe it's easier to do a complete re-review.
[05:16] <spiv> danilos: have you tried bzr+ssh://?  It should be ~20% faster.
[05:16] <spiv> BjornT: Oh, I see.  That wasn't clear from the notes in the review queue.
[05:16] <danilos> spiv: as a matter of fact, no, let me try that
[05:16] <spiv> I'll look closer at the commit logs.
[05:17] <carlos> danilos: no clue
[05:18] <carlos> danilos: I asked for concrete messages that were reverted to investigate at db level, but I'm not sure whether would be too helpful... we should log translation changes to be able to debug this kind of actions
[05:18] <flacoste> BjornT: ping
[05:18] <BjornT> spiv: rev 3682 is a bit special; it reapplies the changes reverted in the previews 'merge rf'.
[05:18] <jamesh> spiv: given the reversion, it'll probably be a bit difficult to get an incremental diff that filters out the RF merges
[05:19] <BjornT> hi flacoste
[05:19] <flacoste> hi BjornT
[05:19] <spiv> jamesh: Yeah.
[05:19] <danilos> carlos: logging translations would significantly slow everything down, and we already have performance issues, imho :(
[05:19] <flacoste> BjornT: regarding using comment index in the confirmation URL, where is this used in Malone?
[05:20] <flacoste> i'm looking for an implementation example
[05:21] <BjornT> flacoste: it's used to display the individual comments. it's mostly browser code, i think.
[05:21] <carlos> danilos: well, I was thinking in some extra metadata information more than using an specific table to log the events
[05:22] <flacoste> BjornT: ok, and I'm going to go forward with your suggsetion of tightening the security with permissions
[05:23] <flacoste> BjornT: I'll need a new permission for the reject one though, I was about to call it launchpad.Moderate, what do you think of this name? that way, it's not too specific
[05:24] <kiko> aieee
[05:24] <kiko> salgado, is marilize happy? I saw no email
[05:25] <flacoste> BjornT: other thing, since i'll be using an index in the URL, should I rename the parameter to answer_idx?
[05:25] <salgado> kiko, yes, she said everything looks okay
[05:25] <jamesh> spiv: I guess a diff from 3682 to head would be fairly easy to produce (using the double merge algorithm I mentioned on the list)
[05:25] <kiko> salgado, you are the man
[05:25] <jamesh> spiv: then see if 3675..3681 is easy to review on its own
[05:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68203 in malone "Bug description with only whitespaces should return a nice error message instead of crashing" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68203
[05:26] <spiv> jamesh: yeah, that's basically what I'm going to try
[05:29] <BjornT> flacoste: launchpad.Moderate would work for me. it'd be good to send mail to SteveA, though, to see what he thinks.
[05:29] <BjornT> flacoste: i think answer_id looks better than answer_idx. the index will still be an id, unique within the ticket.
[05:30] <flacoste> BjornT: fine with both
[05:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68206 in launchpad "custom mail headers for specifications " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68206
[06:15] <doko_> carlos: ping
[06:16] <carlos> doko_: pong
[06:17] <doko_> please have a look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/ooconv/
[06:18] <doko_> currently po files like test_de_merge.po are created
[06:19] <doko_> can rosetta handle files like  test_de_msgid_comment.po as well?
[06:20] <doko_> and if yes, what happens with the old strings if I upload these?
[06:20] <doko_> carlos: ^^^
[06:20] <carlos> doko_: I guess the change is the '_: ...' part, isn't it?
[06:21] <doko_> yes, problem is, that with the current approach, some strings are marked as fuzzy (and maybe not imported in rosetta?)
[06:23] <doko_> at least we do loose the string "Initialienzeichen" with out current approach.
[06:23] <carlos> doko_: no, we don't yet support that in Rosetta
[06:24] <carlos> we will show the msgid as it's atm
[06:24] <carlos> that's with '_: ...' part
[06:24] <carlos> which sucks
[06:24] <carlos> yes, we plan to support that
[06:24] <carlos> no, I don't think you should use it for OO.org
[06:24] <carlos> is better to move to use native GSI support
[06:25] <carlos> doko_: danilos told me that we should have it ready to review next week
[06:25] <doko_> ok, then the only thing I can do with the ku translation is to ignore rosetta at the moment and use erdals GSI file directly.
[06:26] <doko_> carlos: nice
[06:26] <carlos> doko_: yes, I think that's the best and fast option right now
[06:27] <salgado> kiko, do you think it'd be fine to create the missing mirrors with an SQL/python script?
[06:31] <BaKKaR> hi
[06:31] <BaKKaR> can someone tell me pls what's gnome-orca?
[06:32] <BaKKaR> as far as i know it's acc application
[06:32] <BaKKaR> but is it the same Gnopernicus?
[06:53] <fabbione> stupid question...
[06:53] <fabbione> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-toolchain/+branch/ubuntu-toolchain/glibc-2.5-package <-
[06:53] <fabbione> how often are these pages regenerated?
[06:53] <fabbione> i committed 36 like one hour ago
[07:28] <carlos> see you!
[08:03] <salgado> carlos, already left?
[10:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68261 in rosetta "OOPS exporting an empty POTemplate." [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68261
[10:42] <kiko> matsubara, I'm confused by your patch
[10:42] <kiko> oh, I see
[10:42] <kiko> it crashes in unpatched trees
[10:42] <kiko> but not in a patched tree
[10:42] <kiko> matsubara, can you add something to check that the desired effect was obtained?
[10:44] <matsubara> kiko: thinking about it, it doesn't make much sense let the user export an empty POTemplate.
[10:44] <kiko> (i.e. that the export worked)
[10:51] <kiko> matsubara, do you think we should try to stop him? :)
[10:56] <matsubara> kiko: well, I don't know. Maybe avoid uploading empty potemplates in the first place.
[10:57] <matsubara> kiko: but I don't know if there's a real use for POTemplates that have messageCount == 0
[10:58] <kiko> matsubara, until they are imported they do
[11:02] <matsubara> kiko: https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/fileeuTuLx.html
[11:04] <kiko> matsubara, good job :)
[11:04] <kiko> matsubara, hold on to that patch let's see what carlos says
[11:06] <carlos> kiko, matsubara: I'm moving from __getitem__ like methods to explicit ones as I'm touching code
[11:06] <carlos> so I'm fine removing __len__
[11:07] <kiko> carlos, what about exports of empty files
[11:07] <carlos> well, export empty files makes no sense
[11:08] <kiko> should we allow them?
[11:08] <carlos> and it's an UI bug that we show them
[11:08] <kiko> mmm
[11:29] <kiko> carlos, what should we do then?
[11:30] <carlos> well, current patch fixes the issue, right?
[11:33] <kiko> carlos, it does, but I want to know what you want us to do
[11:33] <carlos> well, the faster solution would be to go with that patch
[11:34] <carlos> the final solution, would be to remove from the navigation links any potemplate with zero messages
[11:34] <carlos> the url should be valid, but we shouldn't link to them from sourcepackages or productseries
[11:35] <kiko> carlos, but then export will still be a valid action item.
[11:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #68277 in malone ""newer first" doesn't sort bugs correctly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/68277
[11:36] <carlos> kiko: we could disable that action then
[11:36] <kiko> carlos, yeah
[11:55] <kiko> carlos, so for now allow people to generate empty exports?
[11:55] <kiko> and file a bug for the fact that we do?
[11:55] <carlos> yes, please
[11:55] <kiko> cool.
[11:55] <kiko> matsubara, I'll take care of that as well
[11:55] <carlos> good night guys
[11:55] <carlos> kiko, matsubara: Thanks for handling that
[11:55] <matsubara> thanks kiko


[07:55] <alourie> hello
[07:58] <UndiFineD> :)
[10:04] <alourie> are there recorded sessions available from UDS-N? For testing ?
[10:04] <alourie> I mean for testing sessions?
[10:26] <UndiFineD> gobby is accessible
[10:35] <UndiFineD> alourie, some are here: http://www.youtube.com/user/ubuntudevelopers
[10:39] <alourie> UndiFineD: actually, there are no sessions on the QA that I see there...
[10:40] <UndiFineD> true, there is video.ubuntu.com, but that only shows maverick
[11:02] <alourie> right
[11:08] <UndiFineD> no response in #.-uds
[11:18] <alourie> UndiFineD: probably because they're done...
[11:19] <UndiFineD> or not awake yet ;)
[12:03] <mainerror> hello
[12:04] <mainerror> I'm running the extended suspend/resume test on LaptopTesting
[12:04] <mainerror> in the description it says that if should trigger apport on any failures
[12:05] <mainerror> does that mean after the script exited or just when a failure appears
[20:08] <mainerror> is it possible that the LaptopTesting plan is out of date or wrong? http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Plans/LaptopTesting#Networking
[20:08] <charlie-tca> sure
[20:08] <mainerror> hcn-001 and hcn-002 are not really the same
[20:08] <mainerror> I mean the ones at the top of the list and the ones at the bottom
[20:09] <mainerror> they'd need different Case IDs as they are different tests
[22:38] <cprofitt> hggdh: hey -- caught up on the sleep yet
[22:39] <cprofitt> charlie-tca: how about you -- getting recovered?
[22:44] <hggdh> cprofitt: hi. I got set with my sleep, and seem to also have gotten a cold, perhaps the (in)famous "UDS cold"...
[22:45] <cprofitt> lol
[22:45] <cprofitt> colds are not fun...
[22:45] <hggdh> I am finding it now, have not had one for a very long time
[22:45] <cprofitt> hggdh: I am going throught he process with the beginners team council and getting the new strucutre setup
[22:45] <cprofitt> after that we need to talk about getting the focus group setup for QA / Testing
[22:46] <hggdh> if you need help with anything, please holler ;-)
[22:46] <cprofitt> I will need some help to detail all the 'resources' people need -- daily images, etc
[22:46] <cprofitt> is it ok to do that with email?
[22:46] <hggdh> yes, it is
[22:46] <cprofitt> cool
[22:46] <hggdh> looking at the qa site also may help
[22:47] <cprofitt> I am hoping to start that next week some time
[22:47] <cprofitt> good to hear you are caught up
[22:47] <cprofitt> have you heard from charlie?
[22:47] <hggdh> http://qa.ubuntu.com
[22:47] <hggdh> I briefly chatted with him earlier today on the -bugs. He told us he is tired, but OK
[22:48] <cprofitt> good to hear... he needs to take things slow while he re-charges
[22:48] <hggdh> ack
[22:49] <cprofitt> http://qa.ubuntu.com/ -- nice site
[22:51] <hggdh> aye, the new look and all that
[22:54] <cprofitt> council members are here -- going to pay attention to that and work on our membership process...
[22:54] <cprofitt> may be delayed in responding
[23:37] <charlie-tca> cprofitt: yes, I am here
[23:37] <charlie-tca> Was out for a bit. I seem to be tired, but still going
[23:37] <cprofitt> good too see ya charlie-tca
[23:38] <cprofitt> woot woot go charlie-tca
[23:38] <charlie-tca> Trying to actually do an install with the screen-reader is more of an experience than I knew
[23:38] <cprofitt> I have to rebuild one of my machines to get that going
[23:39] <cprofitt> I have acquired an additional machine since getting home to do testing on
[23:39] <charlie-tca> Great! every one helps
[23:39] <cprofitt> yep
[23:40] <cprofitt>  I will rebuild my desktop and make it a dedicated virtual machine home
[23:40] <cprofitt> not everything can be tested in that... but much likely can
[23:40] <charlie-tca> I do a lot of testing in VirtualBox, but if it fails, I do a hardware test before reporting it
[23:42] <cprofitt> got it
[23:42] <cprofitt> sounds like a plan
[23:42] <cprofitt> I am working on our Beginners Team - Focus group and membership process right now
[23:42] <cprofitt> which I hope to have in place by next week
[23:42] <cprofitt> and then we can start to make things a bit easier for people who want to contribute


[00:17] <chris4585> its lovely how xchat will connect to freenode, but doesn't want to auto join channels
[00:18] <chris4585> so yesterday i found out nvidia-current isn't currently working with the newest kernel *sob* the nouveau driver does though! and I can run gnome-shell whoo
[00:19] <chris4585> tried installing nvidia-current and that removed everything lol
[00:19] <chris4585> I accidentally did that twice..
[00:19] <chris4585> the nouveau driver doesn't seem to support hdmi audio out, line-in works though :D

[01:24] <wrst> chris4585: this pretty good last time I tried noveau it was not good
[01:24] <chris4585> well it randomly logged me out earlier while typing something... I don't know if that was the driver's fault or what.. but so far its doing good
[01:25] <chris4585> but on fedora it seemed really good (I'm pretty sure what I was using)
[01:25] <wrst> you running g3 on Ubuntu.?
[01:25] <chris4585> yeah
[01:27] <wrst> 11.10?
[01:28] <chris4585> yes
[01:28] <chris4585> I'm using Linux RX881 3.0-1-generic-pae #2-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jun 15 22:20:19 UTC 2011 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
[01:31] <wrst> cool
[01:31] <wrst> cool
[01:42] <chris4585> what are you up to wrst?
[01:56] <wrst> chris4585: very little :)
[01:57] <chris4585> sounds relaxing
[02:01] <wrst> very nice chris4585, and you?
[02:02] <chris4585> ah, just waiting to see what on my computer will break next lol
[02:07] <wrst> ha ha chris4585 i'm running arch and its more stable than ubuntu 11.04 easily
[02:08] <chris4585> yeah, I miss arch, but this install I wanna see how far I can take it..
[02:08] <chris4585> the thing I find really funny is unity2d seems (mostly) usable but switching workspaces is awful
[02:09] <linuxman410> cyberanger u here
[02:09] <wrst> hello linuxman410
[02:09] <linuxman410> hello wrst
[02:10] <linuxman410> wrst can i interest you in a shuttle
[02:11] <wrst> linuxman410: well don't really need it but...
[02:12] <linuxman410> wrst but what
[02:12] <wrst> but maybe what you got?
[02:12] <linuxman410> hang on
[02:13] <chris4585> shuttle?
[02:14] <linuxman410> http://cgi.ebay.com/SHUTTLE-PC-XUBUNTU-11-04-/110703565439?pt=Desktop_PCs&hash=item19c6725a7f here it is
[02:15] <wrst> i would probably get shot linuxman410 what type of laptop do you need
[02:16] <linuxman410> wrst what do you have
[02:16] <wrst> my old laptop think it needs a fan but really linuxman410 now that I think about it you don't need it
[02:17] <linuxman410> wrst how does it run
[02:18] <wrst> well it won't boot since the fan doesn't run but it got really hot linuxman410
[02:18] <wrst> comes up with an error at POST
[02:18] <linuxman410> wrst is that all you have
[02:20] <linuxman410> wrst u still there
[02:21] <wrst> yeah and it might be good but might not amd dual core 2GB of ram decent laptop ati video crummy card broadcom wireless, a pain in the rear
[02:21] <wrst> linuxman410: there was a pretty decent laptop on woot.com this week
[02:22] <linuxman410> wrst i am just trying to cheap out and get something used
[02:22] <wrst> hmm i will keep my eyes open
[02:27] <linuxman410> wrst was it processor fan that went out
[02:27] <wrst> yes
[02:27] <wrst> and the processor got pretty hot
[02:28] <linuxman410> wrst have u tried to restart it since
[02:31] <linuxman410> wrst u still here
[02:34] <wrst> linuxman410: yeah just gives a warning about the fan and shuts down
[02:35] <linuxman410> how much does processor fan cost
[02:36] <wrst> i don't know i have been meaning to look into it but haven't had time to open it up
[03:15] <cyberanger> linuxman410: hey
[03:16] <linuxman410> cyberanger how are ya
[03:18] <cyberanger> tired, won't be on long
[03:18] <cyberanger> work was short, but the day itself was long
[03:18] <linuxman410> cyberanger i know what u mean i had a busy day too
[03:21] <cyberanger> linuxman410: nice shuttle
[03:24] <linuxman410> cyberanger thanks
[03:29] <linuxman410> cyberanger i have had all kinds of offers on 2g turned them all down
[03:32] <cyberanger> too low, unrealisticlly low
[03:33] <cyberanger> ?
[03:33] <linuxman410> cyberanger they have been offering 20 bucks that is crazy
[03:38] <wrst> cyberanger: I just checked out ubuntu-us-sc... kinda dead compared to here
[03:38] <wrst> checked out for someone in SC
[03:49] <cyberanger> linuxman410: yeah
[03:49] <cyberanger> wrst: idk their size two years ago, think most I met in 09 were NC & GA based
[03:49] <cyberanger> in Clemson
[03:50] <cyberanger> that isn't too big a shock
[03:51] <wrst> yeah not many there, but irc isn't hte only factor but interesting
[03:54] <cyberanger> which is why I stated my trip to SELF in Clemson in 09
[03:55] <wrst> ahh gotcha i'm slowly getting the geography cyberanger :)
[04:08] <cyberanger> it seems everyone I met in there from SC ( a small list) wasn't into ubuntu
[04:08] <wrst> cyberanger: i'm running a whole bunch of updates on 11.10
[04:14] <cyberanger> granted, those confrences always seem to lack users of ubuntu
[04:15] <wrst> they more hardcore?
[04:15] <linuxman410> wrst no one is more hardcore than this team
[04:16] <wrst> ha ha well I mean elitist maybe then linuxman410 :)
[04:19] <cyberanger> wrst: alot of developers, community leaders
[04:19] <wrst> ahh gotcha
[04:19] <cyberanger> portions of members
[04:20] <cyberanger> but ubuntu seems more users than idk, user geeks? tinkers? I can't find a word that sounds right
[04:20] <cyberanger> but it gets at a linux learning curve
[21:15] <vychune> http://www.blogtalkradio.com/corbinhoward/2011/06/18/2nd-show


[19:33] -BottyMcBotFace:#xubuntu-devel- ::xfce4-announce:: ANNOUNCE: xfce4-terminal <IP_ADDRESS> released @ http://xfce.10915.n7.nabble.com/ANNOUNCE-xfce4-terminal-0-8-9-1-released-tp56849.html (by Igor Zakharov)


[16:01] <NRWlion> hey there
[18:49] <pleia2> I have a dentist appointment in a bit and a few other things I want to get done this morning, but I'll go through planet for the past week and a couple key mailing lists for loco news
[18:49] <pleia2> not sure where we should look for the more generic non-member news though
[18:51] <pleia2> as far as https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue220 goes, I'd say we can keep the current LoCo news (it's not *that* out-dated), maybe refresh the launchpad news with what is on their blog now
[18:51] <pleia2> probably drop most stuff from The Planet section to refresh it
[18:52] <pleia2> the upcoming meeting stuff is really tedious, I think we should move forward with the plan of just linking to the fridge calendar
[18:55] <nhandler> pleia2: No objections from me for any of that stuff.
[19:00]  * pleia2 is on call and actually has had to do work today, no fun at all :)
[19:00] <pleia2> (also, I hate Exchange a lot)
[19:00] <nhandler> pleia2: Want me to pull links then?
[19:01] <pleia2> nhandler: I probably won't get to it until later this afternoon california time (it's 11AM now)
[19:01] <nhandler> pleia2: Alright. I'll start going through the planet then.
[19:02] <pleia2> do we have any one in channel who is available for summary writing later today?
[19:04]  * pleia2 nudges a few people
[19:05] <pleia2> yay Cheri703 :)
[19:05] <Cheri703> hi
[19:07] <pleia2> nhandler: adding planet links to http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UWN-Ideas or..?
[19:08] <nhandler> pleia2: That pad has been acting up for me lately. Any objections to using the google doc?
[19:08] <pleia2> this one? https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AdKZelXU8Y2LZGNrcHRkYmhfODlkODNxNnRnZA&hl=en
[19:08] <nhandler> pleia2: Yep
[19:08] <pleia2> that's fine
[19:10] <pleia2> for anyone who wishes to help with summaries but hasn't yet, you can look at old UWN issues for examples of how it's done, pretty much one or two sentences about the article ie:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue219
[19:10] <pleia2> browse through "The Planet" section for examples
[19:48] <pleia2> not sure where Randall's call for Ubuntu Community Week presenters should go, I guess it's loco?
[19:49] <pleia2> and there is his blog and the ML post
[19:49]  * pleia2 adds to google docs, we can sort later
[19:56]  * pleia2 found some time to toss some links on https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AdKZelXU8Y2LZGNrcHRkYmhfODlkODNxNnRnZA&hl=en
[19:56] <pleia2> now off to the dentist!
[21:16] <NRWlion> hi there
[21:20] <rww> hello!
[21:22] <NRWlion> oh somebody there ^^ didnt expect to see some1 here ;)
[23:55] <pleia2> nhandler: I think we want to include the karmic and dapper EOLs and the alpha1 release
[23:55] <pleia2> it's slightly stale, but important stuff


[09:48] <RikMills> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2020-May/011840.html
[11:02] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:53] <mparillo> How do Santa's builds relate to Kubuntu CI?
[13:41] <RikMills> mparillo: not much, as those are mostly for autopkgtest checks which you can't do in a launchpad PPA
 Anything I can do to help with Kubuntu CI transition?
 One initial idea is to use the lubuntu ci tooling to do a test instance. Say just building the plasma stack. Maybe assist some way with that
 very early days
[14:37] <mamarley> Heads-up to anyone with a Groovy system with -proposed enabled: Do NOT install initramfs-tools* 0.137.  It seems to cause boot failure.
[14:42] <RikMills> mamarley: 0.137ubuntu1 ?
[14:42] <mamarley> That's the one.
[14:43] <mamarley> I'm still investigating, but that's the only package I installed recently that could conceivably cause getting dumped to busybox on start.
[14:44] <RikMills> mamarley: I have let the person who did the merge know
[14:45] <mamarley> I was going to file a bug; I just wanted to be sure first.
[14:47] <RikMills> I can't test at the moment.
[14:51] <mamarley> My investigation is complete.  It is definitely initramfs-tools.
[14:53] <BluesKaj> mamarley, that's not hapening here. I have initramfs-tools installed, but no boot issues here on Gorilla
[14:53] <mamarley> BluesKaj: You have -proposed enabled?
[14:54] <BluesKaj> I think so, ...checking
[14:56] <BluesKaj> yup it's enabled
[14:56] <mamarley> Hmm, that's odd.  I guess I need to do some more testing…
[14:58] <BluesKaj> think it installed yesterday morning iirc, i was surprised to see a proposed deb without recalling adding a ppa which I assumed it was, which now apparently is not
[15:00] <RikMills> BluesKaj: doubt it. it was only uploaded 3 hrs ago
[15:06] <BluesKaj> uhoh, sorry , my mistake mamarley, RikMills, just ran an update, looks there are upgrades available to initramfs-tools
[15:12] <mamarley> BluesKaj: Don't install it!
[15:12] <BluesKaj> ok mamarley I won't, ...thanks
[15:20] <RikMills> mamarley: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/0.137ubuntu2
[15:21] <mamarley> RikMills: Thanks!  We really don't deserve you. :)
[15:47] <BluesKaj> so should I comment proposed to prevent this issue with initramfs-tools?
[15:52] <mamarley> In general, having -proposed enabled is a bad idea unless you really know what you are doing and are a masochist.
[15:53] <BluesKaj> mamarley, odd thing is that I didn't add it to the sources.list
[15:55] <BluesKaj> ok it's commented


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[00:15] <wrst> chris4585: how you doing?
[00:16] <chris4585> alright, eating sliced apples
[00:16] <chris4585> you?
[00:27] <wrst> running around like a nut with my daughter :)
[00:29] <Unit193> So much fun, I'm sure.
[00:31] <wrst> yep she's wearing me out
[00:57] <chris4585> lol
[01:15] <wrst> yeah man nothing but energy
[12:56] <wrst> binarymutant: more changes coming to arch
[13:51] <xTEMPLARx> more arbitrary changes I'm sure... changes that'll make you rue the day you spent installing it!
[13:54] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: yeah they are going to systemd I think I may go Ubuntu for my main machine again until they calm down for a while
[13:54] <wrst> probably go with a minimal ubuntu install and go with gnome shell
[13:54] <xTEMPLARx> sounds like a plan
[13:55] <xTEMPLARx> I honestly really like gnome shell
[13:55] <xTEMPLARx> I'm sure I"m not using it to its fullest
[13:55] <xTEMPLARx> but it looks nice while staying out of my way 99.9999% of the time
[13:56] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i agree and there's an extension to do about anything else you need
[13:56] <xTEMPLARx> probably so
[13:57] <xTEMPLARx> and I've yet to run into anything I could do with regular guh-nome that I can't do here...
[13:57] <xTEMPLARx> I couldn't use KDE here at work because I very quickly ran into things it wasn't capable of doing... things that interfered with my work flow.
[13:58] <wrst> yeah kde is great looking but i mean really can't they at least get a file manager correct?
[13:58] <wrst> raelly?
[13:58] <wrst> dolphin is awful
[13:58] <wrst> *really?
[14:02] <wrst> arch looks to be moving away eventually from rc.conf being teh central config place with all of that its probably not worth the effort for me :)
[15:16] <wrst> greetings Genphlux
[15:22] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: ever done the net install of ubuntu?
[15:42] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  no sir
[15:43] <wrst> cyberanger: has told me about it but looks like a good way togo especially since i'm not on the unity wagon
[15:43] <wrst> i'm doing a test on my laptop now
[15:43] <xTEMPLARx> and I agree on KDE's file management.  Its lack of good integration with samba shares on the network is the main reason I couldn't use it
[15:43] <wrst> in a VM i mean
[15:43] <xTEMPLARx> nice
[15:44] <xTEMPLARx> how big is the iso download
[15:44] <wrst> yeah i don't know how much junk it brings in with it
[15:45] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: 31.5MB
[16:04] <xTEMPLARx> wrst: not bad at all
[16:04] <xTEMPLARx> so then, if your connection isn't garbage, that may be worth it.  Especially if it allows you to install what you wanna install and not download a DVD's worth of data just to install 10% of it
[16:04] <wrst> nope.. hmm i install gnome-core and i get unity, not exactly what i was going for
[16:05] <xTEMPLARx> boooooo
[16:05] <wrst> yeah
[16:05] <xTEMPLARx> maybe you shoulda started with ubuntuserver :D
[16:06] <wrst> maybe i should have xTEMPLARx :)
[16:06] <wrst> i mean it doesn't take much space and i was going to use lightdm for my log in
[16:07] <wrst> and this is expiremental the focus being on the "mental" part of expiremental
[16:07] <xTEMPLARx> indeed :D
[16:08] <wrst> been so long since i have used apt-get doing a large install i forgot how slow it is compared to pacman
[16:08] <wrst> but of course when it gets done i don't have to tweak config files from now until sunday
[16:10] <xTEMPLARx> I've not really run into it being slow, per se.  perhaps it is because its having to deal with a bit more traffic than arch's repositories does.  :D
[16:10] <xTEMPLARx> i subscribed to Spotify today
[16:10] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: not slow on the download, but slow on the installing
[16:10] <wrst> unpackaging, installing, setting up blah blah
[16:11] <wrst> arch just sorta throws it out there and says here you go, good luck!
[16:12] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[16:13] <wrst> but most of the time it does work believe it or not
[16:15] <xTEMPLARx> oh I believe it
[16:16] <wrst> but when it doesn't work... ohhhh it doesn't work :)
[16:17] <wrst> and xTEMPLARx changing distros is cheaper than purchasing guitar parts and i need something to do
[16:17] <xTEMPLARx> occupy that imagination so your checkbook stays intact.  Good plan... good plan...
[16:18] <wrst> i'm trying xTEMPLARx but its difficult
[16:18] <xTEMPLARx> I hear ya
[16:18] <xTEMPLARx> and I have yet another battle
[16:18] <xTEMPLARx> buy parts that I need to get the truck up and running
[16:18] <xTEMPLARx> or parts to build guitars with
[16:18] <xTEMPLARx> there are two things that I'm greatly lacking:
[16:18] <xTEMPLARx> time
[16:18] <xTEMPLARx> money
[16:19] <xTEMPLARx> http://i.imgur.com/5nEXm.jpg
[16:20] <wrst> nice wig :)
[16:20] <wrst> and if you get more money you have less time and more time = less money
[16:21] <xTEMPLARx> that time is money guy was a dirty, rotten PHONEY then...
[16:26] <wrst> ha ha
[16:26] <wrst> well after running through this i think it would just be easier to install ubuntu and get rid of what i don't want rather than add what i want
[16:26] <wrst> i use ubuntu one and want the software center
[17:17] <binarymutant> getting rid of pkgs is harder than adding them, I think
[17:17] <wrst> binarymutant: good point
[17:18] <binarymutant> oh, timestamps
[17:18] <wrst> binarymutant: its irc, time is irrelevant
[17:18] <binarymutant> :D
[17:18] <xTEMPLARx> if time is irrelevant, why does my quassel client have a time stamp down the left column of the room
[17:19] <xTEMPLARx> i'm gonna write them a letter and complain
[17:19] <xTEMPLARx> they might as well have forced me to look at "pictures of the day" from a random google web search over there
[17:19] <binarymutant> I bet it's an option, rather than a must-have
[17:20] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: i apologize :)
[17:20] <xTEMPLARx> wrst lol
[17:22] <binarymutant> arch is moving away from rc.conf, because of systemd
[17:22] <wrst> yeah binarymutant
[17:23] <xTEMPLARx> wrst was talking about that earlier.  gotta love it
[17:23] <xTEMPLARx> i'm gonna delete my arch install right now out of protest
[17:23] <binarymutant> you'll be back
[17:23]  * xTEMPLARx has disconnected:  unexpected end of pipe error.
[17:24] <binarymutant> wrst: but I hear someone is working on getting systemd to use rc.conf too
[17:26] <wrst> yeah binarymutant sounds like a good time exit until they get that going :)
[17:26] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: you need to cut your pipe longer next time!
[17:27] <binarymutant> <- staying
[17:27] <binarymutant> I might switch to it now
[17:28] <wrst> binarymutant: i'm not going to abandon it i'm leaving it on my desktop just to have fun blowing it up :) but i need my laptop to work so the next few months I think i will go ubuntu on it again
[17:28] <wrst> its all linux so its all the same at the heart of things, ubuntu just makes it harder to find the heart
[17:29] <binarymutant> thats a good idea, less breakage
[17:29] <binarymutant> Ubuntu uses upstart which is similar to systemd though..
[17:31] <wrst> binarymutant: yeah i don't really care about that as long as it works, i think the whole world should have an rc.conf file however
[17:32] <wrst> i had issues with upstart when ubuntu switched to it on my server
[17:32] <xTEMPLARx> UPSTART IS THE DEVIL
[17:32] <wrst> but the devil is so darn attractive xTEMPLARx
[17:32] <binarymutant> I guess rc.conf is easier than rc.d/ or whatever
[17:33] <xTEMPLARx> i heard that UPSTART wears Prada
[17:33] <xTEMPLARx> this link work for you guys?   http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/
[17:33] <xTEMPLARx> its timing out for me
[17:35] <binarymutant> freedesktop has been down for like weeks for me
[17:35] <xTEMPLARx> k
[17:35] <xTEMPLARx> ty
[17:35] <binarymutant> idk why though, thought they'd be up by now
[17:37] <wrst> i get nothing
[17:37] <wrst> i really would prefer for freeburrito.org to work
[17:41] <xTEMPLARx> indeed!
[17:44] <binarymutant> yeah last week I needed some docs on that site
[17:45] <binarymutant> can't believe it's still down
[17:50] <wrst> well binarymutant if it makes you feel anybetter you won't be getting them this week either :\
[17:51] <binarymutant>  hope I don't need any xorg docs
[17:54]  * wrst doesn't need any docs and runs as root all the time
[22:45]  * Ubik pokes cyberanger
[22:51] <cyberanger> hey Ubik
[23:23] <Ubik> dude
[23:23] <Ubik> so what are we all supposed to use now, to avoid Unity? :)
[23:23] <chris4585> uh gnome?
[23:24] <chris4585> could go with xfce, debian is choosing that for their default desktop
[23:25] <Ubik> yeah
[23:25] <Ubik> thought about moving to debian
[23:25] <Ubik> course, that means we all have to leave here then :P
[23:27] <chris4585> not really, half of us don't use ubuntu for our main desktops
[23:27] <chris4585> I know I don't and a few others don't, but we all support ubuntu
[23:28] <Ubik> my main machine has it..  like, 10.10 or something
[23:28] <Ubik> old enough that im getting nag screens about not being supported anymore :)
[23:30] <chris4585> nag screens?
[23:30] <chris4585> 10.10 was my last favorite release
[23:30] <Ubik> yeah..  whenever I log in, it comes up with "Your distribution isn't supported anymore!" dialogs
[23:30] <chris4585> ah
[23:31] <chris4585> I think that can be fixed by removing update-manager... but I don't know if I can really suggest doing that
[23:31] <chris4585> I don't seem the harm in it
[23:31] <Ubik> true
[23:31] <chris4585> see*
[23:32] <Ubik> probably best to just apply all updates that are available (there are a few, been slacking)
[23:32] <Ubik> and then kill it off...although... I guess if there are any updates from any 3rd party repos I have, it would miss those
[23:32] <chris4585> nah, just update using the command line, apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[23:33] <chris4585> your 3rd party repos would still be there
[23:33] <chris4585> just no annoying ubuntu update manager
[23:33] <Ubik> right
[23:45] <cyberanger> Ubik: I use openbox, recommend lxde (if you need a cute installer, lubuntu or debian lxde)
[23:46] <Ubik> might have to fool with some of those


[00:04] <celesteh> Doing the virus scan first, in the hopes that it would catch a naughty plugin. Facebook is keeping it's own tabs on me, making me swear to have done a virus scan before it will let me back on, so I'm not sure a clean profile would help ( as I would certainly want to return to my normal profile)
[00:04] <celesteh> If one of my plugins has turned evil, I thin they would actually throw me off at some point. I don't like facebook, but I don't want to get banned either
[00:05] <daftykins> there are never many though, so you should be able to tell at a glance (Firefox plugins)
[00:05] <celesteh> Yeah, I installed a few tab managers that I don't want to disable, as I fear I would loose my many many unloaded but open tabs
[00:06] <daftykins> hehe, bookmark them
[00:06] <celesteh> disabled greasemonkey...
[00:06] <celesteh> I know I should. it's just gotten so out of control. I found a tab a few days ago that had been open for two years...
[00:08] <daftykins> oh my word - i think you might have to call Guinness about that
[00:15] <HaloSponge> I'm happy & going to bed. http://i.imgur.com/rSnauy7.jpg
[02:14] <m0nkey_> DOTT has been REMASTERED! :-D http://dott.doublefine.com/
[02:14] <m0nkey_> Can't wait for it's release this month :)
[02:27] <HaloSponge> m0nkey_: Yes I saw the campaign, there. thanks.
[02:35] <mapps> who's still up
[02:35] <HaloSponge> me's up.
[02:35] <mapps> what ye doing
[02:35] <HaloSponge> I had a nap.
[02:35] <mapps> hah
[02:35] <HaloSponge> reddit.
[02:36] <HaloSponge> https://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxCirclejerk/
[02:37] <HaloSponge> mapps, Whats your favourite drink ?
[02:37] <mapps> non alcoholic? vimto
[02:37] <mapps> but i dont drink it..rots your teeth..soo much sugar;p
[02:41] <HaloSponge> https://i.imgur.com/h8ymxyr.jpg
[02:42] <m0nkey_> that's Geoff
[02:42] <mapps> do you guys watch many series?
[02:42] <m0nkey_> Also known as the Hammerhead Eagle i-Thrust
[02:42] <m0nkey_> http://www.topgear.com/videos/top-gear-tv/hammerhead-eagle-i-thrust-part-13-series-14-episode-2
[02:43] <mapps> LOL at the pic HaloSponge
[02:45] <HaloSponge> There's a contest over on reddit. https://redd.it/4bfmmp
[02:45] <mapps> :D
[02:47] <HaloSponge> mapps, you vape ?
[02:47] <mapps> gonna watch an ep of blindspot
[02:47] <mapps> nah
[02:47] <HaloSponge> k
[02:49] <ali1234> is that a real car or photoshop?
[02:59] <HaloSponge> hi ali1234
[03:00] <HaloSponge> not sure, really.
[03:00] <ali1234> it's off top gear
[03:00] <HaloSponge> the ganoo bit looks photoshopped.
[03:00] <ali1234> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCSNCs7bwCw
[03:00] <HaloSponge> ali1234, hows it going ?
[03:01] <ali1234> you know. just watching some top gear
[03:01] <HaloSponge> right-oh
[03:01] <ali1234> then going to bed
[03:01] <HaloSponge> thanks for the download-helper extension. really good, cheers
[03:02] <HaloSponge> really helped.
[03:03] <HaloSponge> what s your blog again /
[03:03] <HaloSponge> ^ ?
[03:03] <ali1234> who me?
[03:03] <HaloSponge> yes
[03:03] <ali1234> i don't really have one
[03:04] <HaloSponge> tweeter ?
[03:04] <ali1234> no
[03:04] <HaloSponge> G+
[03:04] <HaloSponge> ^?
[03:04] <ali1234> yeah
[03:04] <ali1234> not so much lately though
[03:04] <HaloSponge> alister buxton wasn't it ?
[03:04] <ali1234> close enough
[03:05] <HaloSponge> I'll have alook.
[03:06] <HaloSponge> nothing since 2015 :(
[03:06] <ali1234> i haven't had much time to post things
[03:06] <HaloSponge> what you been up-to /
[03:06] <HaloSponge> ^?
[03:07] <ali1234> teletext stuff
[03:07] <HaloSponge> sounds ambiguous.
[03:07] <ali1234> https://github.com/ali1234/vhs-teletext
[03:08] <HaloSponge> doesn't a VHS only last 8 years thou ?
[03:08] <ali1234> nah
[03:08] <ali1234> more like 50 if you store it right
[03:09] <ali1234> you have to distinguish between "a" VHS and all VHS though
[03:10] <HaloSponge> You do Raspberry, then ?
[03:10] <HaloSponge> I'm getting a Kano. Wud you recommend it ?
[03:12] <ali1234> never heard of it
[03:12] <HaloSponge> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/kano-kickstart-a-pi-desktop-machine-in-a-box/
[03:13] <ali1234> seems fine
[03:14] <HaloSponge> cheers.
[05:20] <mapps> hm
[05:20] <mapps> fell asleep watching tv
[05:21] <mapps> i need to get a blanket i can use for the sofa and some curtains for lounge, only got blinds..so cant sleep there well
[05:25] <zmoylan-pi> you need a blanket with sleeves for sleeping on sofa
[05:26] <mapps> watched 3 eps of blindspot:)
[05:29] <mapps> do you watch any tv series?
[05:30] <zmoylan-pi> last week tonight is about it
[08:18] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:08] <diplo> Morning all
[09:36] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Tuesday, and happy As Young As You Feel Day! 😃
[09:42] <HaloSponge> Morning, those with benefits.
[09:42] <HaloSponge> It's Q&A day today !
[09:43] <foobarry> been working on my large monitoring screen to show things
[09:43] <foobarry> css makes me cry
[09:45] <foobarry> i do this http://i.imgur.com/lcFImfV.png and then colleague says, that box need moving 2px down
[09:45] <foobarry> then it messes everything up
[09:46] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1-ZhrAsMO8
[09:46] <zmoylan-pi> sounds like it would be easier to move the colleague...
[09:46] <foobarry> then i end up with this http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img910/9066/gjxeFL.gif
[09:46] <diplo> looks nice foobarry
[09:47] <foobarry> whats more is the work behind the scenes to get the info
[09:47] <foobarry> but its useful stuff
[09:47] <diplo> I'd not worry about the styling any more than that, it's only for internal use ?
[09:53] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:53] <popey> moo
[09:53] <JamesTait> Baa
[09:53] <foobarry> meh
[09:53] <JamesTait> davmor2, not bad. ☺
[09:54] <davmor2> I thought it worked :)
[10:28] <foobarry> heh http://i.imgur.com/eEtq0ec.jpg
[10:29] <davmor2> oh the irony
[10:30] <zmoylan-pi> and zincy to make it not rust :-)
[10:42] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: I remember having to do CSS. You get it looking correct in browser A, then browser B vomits a mess everywhere.
[10:43] <TwistedLucidity> So you then have to spend an hour explaining to boss that browsers A, C, D, E thru to Z all agree to within a pixel but that B is IE and should be burnt at the stake.
[10:43] <TwistedLucidity> Same deal with spreadsheets.
[10:43]  * TwistedLucidity fetches pitchfork to deal with Excel
[10:44] <TwistedLucidity> And that statue of "Wallace" is an utter abomination.
[10:45] <zmoylan-pi> very gibsony
[10:45] <TwistedLucidity> It's an affront
[10:46] <davmor2> TwistedLucidity: you fool it's a statue it has aback and sides too
[10:58] <HaloSponge> Good article: http://liliputing.com/2016/02/running-ubuntu-on-a-cherry-trail-intel-compute-stick-or-other-operating-systems.html
[11:41] <HaloSponge> Looking bleak weatherwise, I guess. http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2635167#outlook
[11:46] <sebsebseb> hi
[11:46] <HaloSponge> sebsebseb: hi
[11:46] <HaloSponge> Doing Q&A today ?
[11:46] <sebsebseb> HaloSponge: what I don't do Ubuntu q and a
[11:46] <sebsebseb> maybe your thinking of that other Seb
[11:47] <HaloSponge> ubuntuonair.com/calendar/#calendar
[11:47] <sebsebseb> popey: Have you seen the Brusseles news?
[11:47] <popey> of course, yes.
[11:47] <HaloSponge> yes, scarey.
[11:48] <foobarry> only just saw it via fb
[11:48] <sebsebseb> yeah my older brother just told me a little while ago
[11:48]  * HaloSponge doesn't fascebook
[11:48] <sebsebseb> just seen some Intenret stuff about it
[11:48]  * foobarry doesn't news
[11:48]  * sebsebseb was in Brussels at end of Janurary and early feb
[11:48]  * HaloSponge points foobarry to the weather map, prev.
[11:48] <foobarry> facebook seems to be working as a news delivery mechanism
[11:49] <sebsebseb> foobarry: indeed it can do
[11:49] <foobarry> my highly curated feed filters all/most depressing crap
[11:49] <sebsebseb> popey: so FOSDEM in Brussels for you next year? :d
[11:49] <foobarry> although i have too many teachers on my feed
[11:49] <foobarry> teachers always moan
[11:51] <sebsebseb> well at least didn't happen when I was at the air port
[11:56] <diplo> knightwise lives in Brussels, bet its awful there atm
[11:56] <MooDoo> exit
[11:56] <MooDoo> oops
[11:56] <diplo> :p
[11:56] <sebsebseb> diplo: oh right and yeah I know someone who lives near the  airport to an extent
[11:57] <sebsebseb> and indeed everything locked down public transport it seems
[12:37] <HaloSponge> GameBoy Advance is 15 today. https://goo.gl/sBnKtV
[12:38] <sebsebseb> HaloSponge: can buy those cheap second hand and games for them now
[12:40] <sebsebseb> HaloSponge: oh q and a is in day now
[12:40] <sebsebseb> and tuesday
[13:01] <TwistedLucidity> diplo: Yeah, place is apparently in near-total lockdown. (I've waffle-bothering chums in another channel)
[15:20] <knightwise> anyone called me ?
[15:20] <knightwise> Just checking in to say i'm ok :)
[15:20] <diddledan> 11:56	diplo	knightwise lives in Brussels, bet its awful there atm
[15:20] <popey> o/
[15:20] <popey> Good to hear!
[15:20] <diddledan> glad to hear you're good
[15:20] <knightwise> thanx guys :)
[15:21] <knightwise> we are pretty shaken up here. i live in tongeren which is about 90 km from brussels
[15:21] <knightwise> but up to last month i worked in brussels
[15:21] <knightwise> listening to the radio here and trying to keep up with the news
[15:31] <foobarry> did they catch the people, or it was suicide attack?
[15:34] <diddledan> Islamic State have apparently claimed responsibility
[15:35] <knightwise> yep , just heard it on the news
[15:35] <knightwise> its frustrating to see our police departments cant keep a secret
[15:35] <knightwise> pictures that are meant for internal use end up on social media and stuff
[15:36] <diddledan> :-(
[15:36] <diddledan> those are usually the gruesome ones
[15:36] <FreeSponge> knightwise: I bet there are bizzies everywhere, No ?
[15:36] <diddledan> why does anyone need to see blood and gore other than for evidence purposes? I'd much rather those not be released publicly
[15:38] <diddledan> how about something more lighthearted? http://boingboing.net/2016/03/22/britons-vote-to-name-287m-res.html
[15:39] <zmoylan-pi> we live in the age of instant gratification... were people under fire will upload the pics/video instead of keeping their head down
[15:39] <zmoylan-pi> don't worry darwin sorts it out... eventually
[15:41] <diddledan> gotta love the darwin awards
[15:41] <zmoylan-pi> i even like the movie... :-)
[15:42] <LibreSponge> knightwise , alright there ?
[15:44] <knightwise> LibreSponge: yep , safe and sound
[15:45] <LibreSponge> good to hear it .. I need a MacBook Air converting to Ubuntu this summer - may pop in :)
[15:46] <knightwise> haha :) you're always welcome
[15:46] <knightwise> Where are you from ?
[15:46] <LibreSponge> I spoke to you before - I'm the guy who had the wedding in Holland, last summer.
[15:47]  * LibreSponge waits for the IKWhatYouDidLastSummer gag !
[15:47] <knightwise> aaah yep ! I remember :)
[15:47] <LibreSponge> nephew's doing well.
[15:48] <LibreSponge> He likes to draw diggers.
[15:48] <foobarry> who doesn't
[15:48] <LibreSponge> orange ones.
[17:43] <LibreSponge> http://www.breakingnews.ie/tech/new-batman-game-details-revealed-be-bruce-or-bat-726206.html
[17:43] <LibreSponge> be Bruce or Bat
[19:28] <asahadeo> Hi, is there anyone here?
[19:30] <Myrtti> yeah
[19:30] <asahadeo> Great.
[19:31] <asahadeo> I am relatively new to Ubuntu - I installed Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS (now Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS) on an old Dell Latitude laptop back in November.
[19:31] <Myrtti> you've already upgraded it to 16.04?
[19:31] <Myrtti> why?
[19:31] <asahadeo> Haven't had much time to fully explore Ubuntu due to work, but looking to learn.
[19:32] <asahadeo> I don't have 16.04, 14.04.
[19:32] <asahadeo> It's a Dell Latitude D610 laptop.
[19:32] <Myrtti> oh, I read wrong, continue
[19:32] <asahadeo> I am not sure it would be able to handle 16.04 in any case :P
[19:32] <asahadeo> 16.04 is the one that offers touchscreen capabilities...?
[19:34] <asahadeo> Anyway, I am looking to contribute to the Ubuntu community, just unsure as to what sort of capacity...
[19:34] <asahadeo> I am working as an apprentice web developer at the moment, learning some C++ and Javascript at home.
[19:35] <zmoylan-pi> use, enjoy and help some person you know give it a try.  success \o/
[19:35] <asahadeo> Thanks :)
[19:37] <asahadeo> Trying to consider which team to go for first.
[19:38] <asahadeo> Maybe I could join the bug testing team, learn some of the basics from there.
[19:38] <popey> 19:32 < asahadeo> 16.04 is the one that offers touchscreen capabilities...?
[19:38] <popey> no
[19:38] <popey> 16.04 is the one that is very similar to 14.04
[19:39] <popey> bug squad is a great place to start
[19:39] <popey> also askubuntu :)
 16.04 is the one that is very similar to 14.04
[19:44] <asahadeo> I am pretty sure 16.04 was said to provide support for touchscreen devices, though...?
[19:44] <asahadeo> At least, that's what a lot of people were hoping for.
[19:48] <knightwise> popey: looking forward to the release
[20:05] <foobarry> SuperMatt: are most rackspace positions onsite? or some are workfromhome?
[21:31]  * diddledan bounces m0nkey_
[21:31] <m0nkey_> sorry, applying an update to my FreeNAS box
[21:31] <m0nkey_> that's where I run ZNC
[21:31] <diddledan> gotcha bob
[21:31] <diddledan> I'm messing about with yubikey
[22:31] <diddledan> my Yubikeys now work for SSH and Git in addition to GPG/OpenPGP
[23:13] <daftykins> diddledan: are you going to set them as required for boot? ;)
[23:16] <diddledan> that sounds fun


[00:02] <xu-irc26w> Hi everyone, i just started using linux, on a surface pro 6 with 2736x1824 pixel resolution. My problem is, everything seems so small, even with x2 scale. i'm using Xubuntu 19.10
[00:02] <xu-irc26w> is there a more global permanent solution than going scaling one by one?
[00:12] <well_laid_lawn> xu-irc26w:  have you tried setting a different resolution ?
[00:13] <xu-irc26w> haven't tried, but because the resolution option only offers 2736x1824
[00:17] <well_laid_lawn> you might have to set a new resolution
[00:18] <well_laid_lawn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/377937/how-to-set-a-custom-resolution
[05:35] <ball> Hmm... how do I install sshd?  I tried "sudo apt-get install openssh-server"
[05:37] <ball> I'll see if I can find the app store thing.
[05:38] <ball> Nope.  Let me try rebooting.
[05:39] <ball> Better idea: rebooting my awful wireless bridge.
[05:43] <adminka-xu12> anyone know about telegram group of ubuntu
[05:50] <ball> I've talked to Linux people on Telegram but don't remember the channel now.
[05:52] <ball> Given time I daresay I could find them again.
[05:53] <adminka-xu12> ok thanks bro..
[06:57] <ball> What's the name of the executable for the software centre?
[07:37] <Unit193> ball: Is it gnome-software?
[07:43] <ball> Unit193: I'm not sure now but I've been able to get openssh-server and x11vnc installed ...now working on folding@home.
[07:43] <ball> ...but my son has woke up, so I need to get him settled down.
[07:43] <ball> He's *WIDE AWAKE*
[07:47] <ball> ...at 02:47
[07:54] <Unit193> Hour ahead of ya.
[11:50] <nagirrok> morning fellow xbuntu users
[11:51] <nagirrok> I have xubuntu 18.04.04 and I'm seeing constant requests to "daisy.ubuntu.com"
[11:51] <nagirrok> is there any way to stop this
[11:51] <nagirrok> I've googled it and it seems to be related with whoopsie
[11:52] <Unit193> I was gonna say, pretty sure that's whoopsie.  Error tracking/reporting or something like that, service.
[11:52] <Unit193> So, turn it off, disable it, or remove it to stop those.
[11:52] <nagirrok> in particular with https://bugs.launchpad.net/whoopsie/+bug/991481 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/997200
[11:53] <nagirrok> would apt purge whoopsie be safe to run Unit193?
[11:54] <Unit193> I'd think so, check what else it wants to remove but I know I've done it in the past, nagirrok.
[11:54] <nagirrok> it seems to be harmful
[11:55] <nagirrok> The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:  libwhoopsie0Use 'apt autoremove' to remove it.The following packages will be REMOVED:  whoopsie*
[12:00] <nagirrok> done
[12:00] <nagirrok> thanks for your Unit193
[12:00] <nagirrok> + input
[13:03] <mattys> Hello, I just want to ask if someone has experience with installing Openbox on Xubuntu. I tried everything on an article by Dottech but it doesn't work. Only my theme changed
[13:03] <mattys> The article I tried: https://dottech.org/129812/how-to-install-openbox-xubuntu-linux/
[13:09] <mattys> Is there a way how to change the session in the login screen?
[13:12] <mattys> nevermind i got it..
[20:31] <xu-irc45w> atom n270 supported?


[15:02] <suihkulokki> wookey, doko, awafaa ping
[15:03] <wookey> oh. right forgot
[15:03] <suihkulokki> and I thought I was on #linaro, but same people
[15:05] <doko> suihkulokki, sorry, ENOTIME. the only thing I have to bring up is to pester yroux about compiler ICEes with pch on arm64
[15:06] <awafaa> Sorry suihkulokki , can't make today
[15:14] <suihkulokki> doko on 4.8, 4.9 or both?
[15:14] <doko> suihkulokki, 4.8 only, lets see if it repeats with 4.9 (which is the default now)


[02:52] <micahg> balloons: is good, someone seems to have fixed already, thanks
[08:15] <smartboyhw> OK, guys, I know you will be watching Olympics
[08:15] <smartboyhw> But please attend the meeting tomorrow at 1400UTC
[08:15] <smartboyhw> I have sent the letter to the mailing list
[08:15] <smartboyhw> Hello all!
[08:15] <smartboyhw> Just a quick reminder that tomorrow, 1st August, 2012, we are having a
[08:15] <smartboyhw> regular QA meeting at 14:00 UTC at #ubuntu-meeting. Chair will be smartboyhw.
[08:15] <smartboyhw> Agenda, so far, looks like this:
[08:15] <smartboyhw> Previous Actions
[08:15] <smartboyhw> Ubuntu Updates
[08:15] <smartboyhw> Ubuntu Flavor Updates
[08:15] <smartboyhw> Blueprint updates / discussion
[08:15] <smartboyhw> Other topics
[08:15] <smartboyhw> Please, add your agenda items, as usual, at:
[08:15] <smartboyhw>      https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings
[08:15] <smartboyhw> Thanks,
[08:15] <smartboyhw> smartboyhw
[08:54] <smartboyhw> Hey, anyone here?
[08:54] <smartboyhw> If you're not dead, please reply...:)
[09:17] <smartboyhw> Clearly everyone's dead
[10:19] <smartboyhw_> Sorry, wrong place
[10:47] <astraljava> smartboyhw: Yes, I'm here, and noticed your meeting invitation as well, thanks for that. :)
[10:47] <smartboyhw> Good
[10:49] <smartboyhw> For the "n"th time, please join the Ubuntu QA Meeting on #ubuntu-meeting at 1400UTC tmr.
[10:50] <smartboyhw> Chair will be me
[21:31] <balloons> phillw, was the bug with wubi filed?
[21:31] <phillw> balloons: I missed Jason coming back on. There's a couple of things I just want top confirm with him.
[21:31] <balloons> phillw, ok..
[21:32] <balloons> just make sure you add me, so I see it
[21:32] <phillw> i will :)
[21:32] <balloons> btw, your feedback is requested :-) You'll get to here my voice, http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/07/a-video-walkthrough-of-iso-testing.html
[23:39] <phillw> balloons: I cannot find how to allow a windows user to register a bug?
[23:40] <phillw> balloons: cancel... Found it :) I knew it was possible!